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| 00:14.52 | micky | is there an utility for building kernel .deb images from /usr/src/linux ? |
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| 00:21.18 | _Atomo64_ | maybe it sounds stupid... but how can I free up some space on /tmp ? I have it under a 2GB partition but I ran out of space on /tmp ... so, what can I do? |
| 00:21.50 | dondelelcaro | _Atomo64_: you mean the partition that /tmp is on has no space on it? |
| 00:21.54 | dondelelcaro | micky: it's called make-kpkg |
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| 00:21.59 | dondelelcaro | micky: /msg dpkg kp |
| 00:22.02 | _Atomo64_ | dondelelcaro: yes |
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| 00:22.30 | dondelelcaro | _Atomo64_: figure out which files in /tmp are no longer being used, and remove them; they generally will be old, and/or fuser will report that they're not in use. |
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| 00:23.16 | jerware | hi |
| 00:23.31 | jerware | is the newgrp command only available to the system admin |
| 00:24.38 | _Atomo64_ | dondelelcaro: I can see a 1.7GB file... 'file8pTrcC' I don't know what is it |
| 00:24.50 | pinky | Anyone know where to get a 1.4.2 or 1.4.3 Amarok package for Debian? |
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| 00:26.15 | tuv | pinky, in debian. after a while |
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| 00:27.00 | _Atomo64_ | dondelelcaro: oh... I know what it is... I extracted a multi-parts rar some minutes ago... thanks anyway; do you know if there's any program that can clean unused files in /tmp automatically? |
| 00:27.06 | jerware | how does one set a pasword for a group ? |
| 00:27.14 | jerware | rather than an individual user ? |
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| 00:28.24 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
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| 00:30.17 | karsten | jerware: man gpasswd |
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| 00:30.28 | foo | Is php5 not available for sarge? Hm |
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| 00:30.39 | karsten | !tell foo about search |
| 00:30.53 | karsten | !php5 |
| 00:30.53 | dpkg | well, php5 is in Etch but not in Sarge. For unofficial php5 packages for Sarge, ask me about <bpo> |
| 00:31.06 | foo | Thanks, that's what I need. I already did apt-cache search. hmm |
| 00:31.20 | foo | What is the safesty way to get php5 on sarge without breaking things? |
| 00:31.24 | karsten | foo: Possibly backports. /msg dpkg backports |
| 00:31.34 | foo | thanks |
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| 00:32.17 | karsten | np |
| 00:32.37 | _Atomo64_ | !tell foo about dotdeb |
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| 00:33.08 | foo | thanks _Atomo64_ |
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| 00:33.16 | karsten | _Atomo64_: That mostly points you back at backports FYI. |
| 00:33.37 | DamianFinol | Greetings, can anyone point me out to a good solution on building a livecd based on Debian? I tried bootcd but it fails when I boot up, iLive, Morphix, but with very similar results |
| 00:33.44 | jerware | how do i create a new group ? |
| 00:33.49 | _Atomo64_ | foo: but I recommend you to only install php5 and leave it commented so you don't install clamav and some other packs from dotdeb, just php5 |
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| 00:33.54 | karsten | jerware: man addgroup |
| 00:34.14 | _Atomo64_ | karsten: nope... that points to dotdeb.org which is a rep |
| 00:34.22 | foo | _Atomo64_: oh, yeah. just php5. |
| 00:34.24 | Blissex | DamianFinol: just customize Knoppix... It is _mostly_ Debian based. Else it is a bit harder. |
| 00:34.33 | karsten | DamianFinol: IIRC there's a livecd package w/in Debian. Otherwise, Knoppix, morphix, DSL, etc., can be modified. |
| 00:34.51 | karsten | _Atomo64_: Um. You _did_ read the factoid, no? |
| 00:35.22 | stoned | _Atomo64_: Um. You _did_ read the factoid, *yes*? |
| 00:35.46 | foo | _Atomo64_: I have to apt-get remove php4 first, right? |
| 00:35.53 | foo | or could I have both? |
| 00:35.53 | karsten | DamianFinol: Might look at bootcd package. |
| 00:36.12 | karsten | foo: That more or less depends on your app and how you point it where. |
| 00:36.14 | DamianFinol | karsten, I did, I think it's a great tool, but when I test the iso I get a kernel panic :( |
| 00:36.20 | ryan` | what should I be passing as the root= option for the first partition on the first SATA drive? |
| 00:36.24 | ryan` | should be /dev/sda1, right? |
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| 00:36.40 | _Atomo64_ | foo: you can't have php4 and php5 together... AFAIR, because of libapache*-mod-php* conflicts |
| 00:36.45 | karsten | DamianFinol: qemu makes ISO image testing faster. You can also run the guest under gdb for debugging. |
| 00:36.49 | pinky | tuv: It's being really slow... I need a feature in the later 2 versions (bugfix actually) |
| 00:37.03 | _Atomo64_ | foo: but you can install php4 as cgi and php5 as apache module |
| 00:37.16 | karsten | DamianFinol: Mind: this is mostly hypothetical as I haven't messed with livecds myself. |
| 00:37.23 | pinky | I was trying to install Kubuntu 1.4.3 packages but I needed a package called "libxine-main1" which I'm pretty sure I have, but it's named something else. |
| 00:37.50 | karsten | DamianFinol: The LNX-BBC folks also had some tools for building live bootable disks as well. |
| 00:37.53 | karsten | !kubuntu |
| 00:37.53 | dpkg | somebody said kubuntu was ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, or #Kubuntu, or another debian ripoff |
| 00:38.04 | DamianFinol | lnx-bbc? |
| 00:38.07 | karsten | pinky: kubuntu isn't debian. |
| 00:38.14 | karsten | DamianFinol: http://www.lnx-bbc.org/ |
| 00:38.16 | stoned | no no, ubuntu live cd is such a piece of doodoo |
| 00:38.45 | stoned | literally it took 10+ minutes to boot the whole thing on ubuntu dapper live cd on 3ghz/1gbram52x cd |
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| 00:40.40 | foo | _Atomo64_: hmm, yeah, I can set what to use for what in the htaccess. hmm |
| 00:40.55 | tuv | pinky, consult apt-get.org. check experimental. compile from source |
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| 00:42.30 | tuv | stoned, well at least it booted successfully on a machine knoppix failed to boot |
| 00:42.41 | stoned | my back hurts |
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| 00:43.06 | stoned | apt-get install personal chiroprator |
| 00:43.09 | stoned | doh |
| 00:43.31 | stoned | tuv, if the debian installer can't boot a machine, I don't use that hardware |
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| 00:44.25 | stoned | I for knoppix, I dunno I used it once a long time ago, it was okay, just bloated though, although, DSL is by far the best live cd debian-based os I've ever used |
| 00:44.34 | tuv | stoned, i needed a boot cd with some utilities. debian installer has very limited set of utilities and i had knoppix and ubuntu live cds |
| 00:44.40 | stoned | fluxbox/minimal X, with options to restore the dpkg db and install packages from debian main |
| 00:44.49 | karsten | tuv: ... alternatively, boot with something else that can and do a chroot install. |
| 00:44.58 | karsten | Or what's that debian takeover thing again? |
| 00:45.06 | Kevin` | dsl I last used was based on a very old debian, hard to get modern packages for it |
| 00:45.17 | karsten | !debtakeover |
| 00:45.17 | dpkg | debtakeover is, like, Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
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| 00:45.46 | stoned | lol |
| 00:46.01 | stoned | karsten, hey dude, I poked you earlier |
| 00:46.10 | stoned | did you feel anything? |
| 00:46.15 | Web-Kanotix635 | hi, can i use ubuntu source.lists to apt-get xorg |
| 00:46.22 | stoned | whoah there |
| 00:46.25 | stoned | back up now man, backup |
| 00:46.28 | stoned | lol |
| 00:46.28 | karsten | !ubuntu |
| 00:46.28 | dpkg | it has been said that ubuntu is 1. Ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. A distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 00:46.38 | karsten | Web-Kanotix635: No. |
| 00:46.48 | stoned | karsten, this isn't for you |
| 00:46.49 | Web-Kanotix635 | :P |
| 00:46.51 | karsten | stoned: Did it move fo you too? |
| 00:46.52 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 00:46.52 | dpkg | methinks dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
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| 00:46.58 | killfill | hi |
| 00:47.01 | stoned | hello |
| 00:47.04 | killfill | anyone got a asus m2v card?.. |
| 00:47.09 | killfill | whats the nic chip? |
| 00:47.12 | killfill | cannot amke it work.. |
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| 00:47.16 | stoned | !enter |
| 00:47.16 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 00:47.25 | micky | dondelelcaro thanks.. i figured it out :) |
| 00:47.28 | Web-Kanotix635 | know where to get xorg for sarge? |
| 00:47.40 | stoned | !backports |
| 00:47.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 00:48.11 | stoned | I've not used X on my sarge boxes*now servers* in a while, I dunno if xorg is avail in deb main for it |
| 00:48.15 | karsten | killfill: googling asus m2v debian is likely your best first bet. |
| 00:48.32 | Web-Kanotix635 | its not |
| 00:48.41 | Web-Kanotix635 | . |
| 00:49.06 | stoned | yup its at backports |
| 00:49.16 | stoned | lets find out by asking the magic ball |
| 00:49.24 | stoned | !xorg sarge |
| 00:49.24 | dpkg | xorg sarge is probably now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 00:49.29 | killfill | hmm |
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| 00:50.42 | dondelelcaro | _Atomo64_: programs are supposed to remove unused files that they create in /tmp; when they don't it's usually a bug (or in this case, there was some sort of error) |
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| 00:50.52 | dondelelcaro | _Atomo64_: files in /tmp are typically removed early in reboot |
| 00:50.56 | zaher | can anyone tell me what line should i add in sources.list if i want 2 install java sdk? |
| 00:50.57 | stoned | !smack dvs |
| 00:51.00 | stoned | hi |
| 00:51.05 | dvs | !lart stoned |
| 00:51.07 | dvs | hello |
| 00:51.18 | _Atomo64_ | dondelelcaro: I should say *until* reboot :P thanks anyway ;) |
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| 00:52.38 | Thanaserver | acabo de instalar mysql aqui... sabeis como creo el user root ? |
| 00:52.43 | Thanaserver | o donde coño esta su pass ? |
| 00:52.50 | zaher | can anyone please tell me what line should i add in sources.list if i want 2 install java sdk? |
| 00:52.59 | _Atomo64_ | !es |
| 00:52.59 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:53.13 | zaher | i want to install java sdk via apt-get install |
| 00:53.43 | _Atomo64_ | zaher: AFAIR it is not possible because of the licence... |
| 00:54.01 | stoned | zaher, which debian release are you using? |
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| 00:54.54 | zaher | testing, and unstable both |
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| 00:55.31 | stoned | zaher, if you are on sid, you have java packages available to you through non-free contrib. You have two choices, for sarge/etch, you can either construct java packages with /msg dpkg java-package or you can backport the sid java packages with /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 01:01.04 | zaher | stoned, found the free java kit in sid, but is that as good as the original one? |
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| 01:19.19 | klork | hullo guys i just update sid to the latest updates and my usb mouse stopped working .... X doesnt start .... cat /dev/psaux says No such device...... and lsusb dont list any devices...... but /var/log/messages do acknowledge connect/disconnect of mouse |
| 01:20.01 | klork | any ideas? |
| 01:20.23 | dondelelcaro | klork: your usb mouse will be /dev/input/mice |
| 01:20.29 | dondelelcaro | klork: change your X configuration to use the proper mouse |
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| 01:21.01 | klork | dondelelcaro, cat: /dev/input/mice: No such device... |
| 01:21.19 | karsten | klork: modprobe mousedev |
| 01:21.27 | karsten | klork: ... and/or mkdir /dev/input |
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| 01:21.49 | tulioBRA | hi people, i installed apache with apt-get |
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| 01:21.55 | karsten | klork: Though on 2.6.x you should be using udev and /or devfs (can't keep 'em straight) and it's created automagickally. |
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| 01:22.03 | tulioBRA | now i need to restart, i changed some config stuff, how do i restart ? |
| 01:22.06 | karsten | !cigar tulioBRA |
| 01:22.10 | tulioBRA | pff |
| 01:22.26 | klork | karsten: thanks it started working :) |
| 01:22.27 | karsten | tulioBRA: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 01:22.27 | karsten | klork: Coolio. |
| 01:22.27 | tulioBRA | there is no /etc/init.d/ |
| 01:22.33 | karsten | tulioBRA: You can also use apachectl. |
| 01:22.37 | klork | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.38 | karsten | tulioBRA: ...then you didn't install apache. |
| 01:22.54 | tulioBRA | kthxbye |
| 01:23.42 | karsten | Possibly a blue dress factoid as well. |
| 01:23.42 | tulioBRA | i cant find openssh-server through apt-get |
| 01:23.44 | tulioBRA | .. |
| 01:23.50 | karsten | tulioBRA: ssh |
| 01:23.57 | karsten | tulioBRA: ssh == openssh in Debian. |
| 01:23.57 | tulioBRA | ssh-server ? |
| 01:24.02 | _Atomo64_ | !ssh |
| 01:24.02 | dpkg | well, ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about putty, or for mac clients ask me about niftytelnet or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about rsa, or ask about winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 01:24.08 | tulioBRA | pff, i know it |
| 01:24.19 | karsten | tulioBRA: Yeah. It's split client/server these days. |
| 01:24.22 | _Atomo64_ | !tell tulioBRA about apt-cache |
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| 01:24.32 | tulioBRA | lol i tried apt-cache search |
| 01:24.35 | tulioBRA | i didnt find anything |
| 01:24.41 | _Atomo64_ | tulioBRA: apt-cache search ssh ? |
| 01:24.56 | tulioBRA | it shows a lot of things |
| 01:25.00 | tulioBRA | apt-get install ssh ? |
| 01:25.02 | tulioBRA | lol |
| 01:25.03 | karsten | tulioBRA: apt-cache search ssh | wc -l: 140 |
| 01:25.25 | _Atomo64_ | tulioBRA: aptitude search ssh |
| 01:25.43 | karsten | tulioBRA: ...and perhaps an aptitude update as well if you haven't recently. |
| 01:25.57 | tulioBRA | ssh is already installed |
| 01:26.55 | _Atomo64_ | tulioBRA: what version of debian are you using? |
| 01:27.09 | karsten | tulioBRA: ... so you're golden o rnot? |
| 01:27.14 | tulioBRA | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 01:27.16 | karsten | s/o rnot/or not/ |
| 01:27.24 | _Atomo64_ | tulioBRA: debian, not kernel |
| 01:27.31 | tulioBRA | dont know lol |
| 01:27.39 | tulioBRA | i think it is netinstall |
| 01:27.46 | _Atomo64_ | sid, etch, sarge? |
| 01:27.49 | tulioBRA | 3.1r1 |
| 01:28.05 | _Atomo64_ | tulioBRA: try apt-cache search ssh.*server |
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| 01:28.28 | tulioBRA | nothing .. |
| 01:28.45 | tulioBRA | wait ssh server is already runnign ... |
| 01:28.46 | tulioBRA | derr |
| 01:28.57 | _Atomo64_ | tulioBRA: cat /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 01:29.13 | karsten | tulioBRA: *what* are you trying to do and *why* do you think you've got a problem? |
| 01:29.27 | tulioBRA | i dont have a problem lol |
| 01:29.31 | tulioBRA | my system ... |
| 01:29.47 | _Atomo64_ | tulioBRA: I mean... what mirror are you using? try "apt-get update && apt-cache search ssh.*server" |
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| 01:31.03 | earomulo | Hi all |
| 01:31.16 | tulioBRA | it is already updated |
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| 01:31.52 | earomulo | I'm having some problem here, can't use apt-get. it says " Dynamic MMap ran out of room " |
| 01:31.54 | tulioBRA | deb http://linux.iq.usp.br/debian/ stable main |
| 01:31.54 | tulioBRA | deb-src http://linux.iq.usp.br/debian/ stable main |
| 01:31.54 | tulioBRA | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
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| 01:32.42 | _Atomo64_ | !openssh-server |
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| 01:33.36 | earomulo | anyone? ;_; |
| 01:34.32 | klork | hullo guys my mouse problem didnt get solved :( |
| 01:34.41 | tulioBRA | can someone tell me a good mirror ? |
| 01:34.44 | tulioBRA | to udpate apt-get |
| 01:35.04 | earomulo | tulioBRA: unicamp has a fast one if ure on brasil =) |
| 01:35.49 | dvs | tulioBRA: ftp.br.debian.com |
| 01:36.09 | _Atomo64_ | dvs: debian._com_ ? |
| 01:36.25 | dvs | _Atomo64_: .org ! Oops! |
| 01:36.40 | klork | presently am facing X problem plzcheck out http://pastebin.ca/163911 |
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| 01:39.10 | transzoo | i have a question about tranisiting raid levels... |
| 01:39.15 | transzoo | i have a raid 1 device |
| 01:39.20 | transzoo | just got a new drive |
| 01:39.24 | transzoo | and want to switch to raid 5 |
| 01:39.29 | transzoo | what's the best way to go about this? |
| 01:39.31 | _Atomo64_ | !enter |
| 01:39.31 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 01:39.31 | karsten | earomulo: !mmap |
| 01:39.37 | karsten | !mmap |
| 01:39.38 | dpkg | dynamic mmap is, like, "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 01:40.25 | earomulo | oh |
| 01:40.30 | karsten | transzoo: "transiting' RAID levels doesn't exist. Back up your filesystem(s), create the new array, transfer data to new array. |
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| 01:40.38 | earomulo | karsten: thank you =) |
| 01:40.45 | karsten | earomulo: NP. |
| 01:40.48 | transzoo | i'm thinking the best way is to create a raid 5 device with one old drive and the new one and a "missing", then mount the raid 5 device and the old drive and then copy |
| 01:40.50 | transzoo | would that work? |
| 01:40.58 | karsten | transzoo: Yes. |
| 01:41.02 | transzoo | ok cool |
| 01:41.03 | klork | karsten, help mee too :) |
| 01:41.10 | transzoo | cause i don't really have a way to back up 160 gigs |
| 01:41.11 | karsten | klork: What's the Q? |
| 01:41.15 | tulioBRA | how do i set ftp.br.debian.com to sources.list ? |
| 01:41.17 | tulioBRA | i'm really lame at this |
| 01:41.21 | transzoo | beside multiple harddrives that is |
| 01:41.39 | klork | karsten, my X is problem http://pastebin.ca/163911 |
| 01:41.51 | karsten | transzoo: So long as you can bring up both arrays simulataneously, yes, you can just transfer the data. |
| 01:41.52 | _Atomo64_ | tulioBRA: add 'deb http://ftp.br.debian.org sarge main' to /etc/apt/sources.list (without '') |
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| 01:42.23 | dvs | tulioBRA: Make that your only line in sources.list |
| 01:42.43 | tulioBRA | what is sarge? |
| 01:42.47 | tulioBRA | the default is stable o_o |
| 01:42.53 | _Atomo64_ | dvs: he has the sarge/security repository too |
| 01:42.59 | _Atomo64_ | !sarge |
| 01:42.59 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 01:43.08 | tulioBRA | !tell tulioBRA about sarge |
| 01:43.14 | dvs | _Atomo64_: but you don't want the old mirror and the new mirror |
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| 01:43.49 | _Atomo64_ | dvs: then better say to use apt-spy ... it will do the same thing but giving him the fastest mirrror |
| 01:43.54 | tulioBRA | debian:/etc/apt# apt-get update |
| 01:43.55 | tulioBRA | Err http://ftp.br.debian.org sarge/main Packages |
| 01:43.55 | tulioBRA | 404 Not Found |
| 01:44.17 | _Atomo64_ | tulioBRA: when you want some information from dpkg just type /msg dpkg something instead of !tell yourname something |
| 01:44.24 | klork | karsten, i just updated sid dats when the problems began :( |
| 01:44.37 | tulioBRA | thx |
| 01:45.06 | dvs | tulioBRA: ftp://ftp.br.debian.org |
| 01:45.16 | _Atomo64_ | tulioBRA: oops, replace http://ftp.br.debian.org/ with http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian |
| 01:45.31 | _Atomo64_ | dvs: that ain't the problem... there's a missing 'debian' at the end of the uri :P |
| 01:45.57 | tulioBRA | _Atomo64_ it is working now, thanks |
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| 01:46.24 | _Atomo64_ | tulioBRA: you could even give apt-spy a try so you can get the fastest mirror |
| 01:46.34 | _Atomo64_ | !tell tulioBRA about apt-spy |
| 01:47.05 | karsten | klork: phone call |
| 01:47.29 | klork | karsten: hmm |
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| 01:47.47 | tulioBRA | oh thanks, i will give a try |
| 01:47.58 | tulioBRA | but it seens to be a fast mirror, i'm downloading at 62.5kB/s |
| 01:48.01 | tulioBRA | my maximum is 63, so |
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| 01:48.47 | dvs | tulioBRA: because it's a closer mirror |
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| 01:49.16 | jetscreamer | omng |
| 01:49.25 | tulioBRA | i know it lol =p |
| 01:49.26 | jetscreamer | i hate having 300 |
| 01:49.38 | jetscreamer | i need dialup again |
| 01:49.41 | tulioBRA | =p |
| 01:49.51 | tulioBRA | on my dedicated i downloaded things like 10MB/s |
| 01:49.53 | jetscreamer | and dos |
| 01:49.55 | tulioBRA | torrents 1.5MB/s |
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| 01:50.08 | klonical | hi |
| 01:51.06 | klonical | does anybody know why debian installer does not detect my intel pro/100 ethernet on a hp pavilion 1670? |
| 01:51.25 | tuv | mirrors.kernel.org used to be real fast until it got out-of-sync |
| 01:51.28 | dvs | klonical: Didn't use "linux26" option when installing? |
| 01:51.37 | klonical | dvs: I did |
| 01:52.10 | _Atomo64_ | hmm, there are some unofficial debian installer builds including the latest kernel... but I don't remember the dpkg entry |
| 01:53.44 | klonical | what can i do then? |
| 01:53.59 | transzoo | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/md1, |
| 01:54.00 | transzoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.35 | transzoo | That's the error I get when I try to mount my new array with the missing drive |
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| 01:56.36 | karsten | klork: OK, you were asking? |
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| 01:57.16 | karsten | klork: Ignore the font messages. |
| 01:57.30 | karsten | klork: Does X work properly? |
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| 02:02.23 | karsten | transzoo: Have you formatted the array / created a filesystem on it yet? |
| 02:02.31 | transzoo | umm... |
| 02:02.45 | transzoo | not sure... |
| 02:02.47 | transzoo | how can i tell |
| 02:02.53 | Max_- | Anyone good for partitionning for servers?? |
| 02:03.12 | karsten | !partitioning howto |
| 02:03.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, partitioning howto is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/NixPartitioning |
| 02:03.30 | karsten | Max_-: Though these days /boot / and swap is pretty typical. |
| 02:03.54 | karsten | Max_-: I prefer splitting off /usr /tmp /var /boot and /home |
| 02:03.59 | Max_- | okay.. was wondering If I was better make partitions for www or the database or anything... |
| 02:04.11 | Max_- | I guess it changes nothing much |
| 02:04.12 | argnl | i'm building a kernel for an athlon x2 that shall remain on i386, should i tell it i have a k7 or k8? |
| 02:04.13 | karsten | Max_-: That really depends on your system's needs. |
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| 02:04.33 | transzoo | karsten: i did a mkfs.ext3 on /dev/hdg2 |
| 02:04.38 | karsten | Max_-: Could change a lot if they're large partitions, frequently accessed, or have frequently modified files. |
| 02:04.46 | dendrite | Max_-: Advantage of more partitions is more fault isolation. Disadvantage is more waste, where one partition fills and others aren't. |
| 02:04.47 | transzoo | which is my new drive |
| 02:04.52 | transzoo | after i partitioned it |
| 02:04.55 | karsten | transzoo: Um. I _think_ that should have been /dev/md1 or /dev/hdg2 would be what you want to mount. |
| 02:04.59 | transzoo | i havn't messed with the partitions in a while |
| 02:05.12 | transzoo | karsten: yea i think you're right |
| 02:05.21 | transzoo | karsten: just came back from a 6 month deployment |
| 02:05.24 | karsten | transzoo: Haven't worked with RAID much in a bit, but basically: set up your RAID array, create one or more filesystems on it, then mount those. |
| 02:05.29 | karsten | transzoo: iq/ |
| 02:05.31 | karsten | transzoo: iq? |
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| 02:05.34 | transzoo | karsten: so it's all a little rusty |
| 02:05.36 | Max_- | dendrite, there's going to be a frequently acessed database on it.. possibly many many accesses / min sometimes |
| 02:06.09 | dendrite | Max_-: Consider giving the database it's own drive, if possible. |
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| 02:06.23 | karsten | Max_-: the classic high-load partitions are mail and usenet spools. Lots of small, frequently modified files. |
| 02:06.31 | transzoo | karsten: you were right, it's partitioning now |
| 02:06.40 | Max_- | okay.. but I really gotta find what's the difference .. because even though you got many partitions, they're all on the same drive anyway |
| 02:06.54 | transzoo | this is the 30gig partition, though now it's going to be 60 |
| 02:06.59 | transzoo | for the pr0n |
| 02:07.02 | karsten | Max_-: For a database, RAID 5 or 10 is generally recommended. You'll benefit from redundancy, more read/write heads, and some data recovery. |
| 02:07.09 | dendrite | Max_-: If you have non-admin users, you definitely want /home on it's own partition. |
| 02:07.14 | karsten | transzoo: Where were you deployed? |
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| 02:07.51 | karsten | Max_-: Other advantages to splitting off partitions is you can mount them with reduced permissions: read-only, nosuid, noexec, nodev. |
| 02:07.53 | Max_- | dendrite; 2 or 3 users maybe... everything will be accessed from apache |
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| 02:08.11 | Max_- | karsten, got a good point there... thx |
| 02:08.17 | transzoo | karsten: overseas, all i can say, i'm in the u.s. navy |
| 02:08.20 | karsten | Max_-: Slightly better security / protection. Nothing that can't be undone by root, but you may prevent some bonehead stuff and possibly rootkits or similar. |
| 02:08.21 | dendrite | Max_-: If all users are trusted, then splitting off /home is less important. |
| 02:08.28 | karsten | transzoo: Overseas or underseas? |
| 02:08.38 | transzoo | karsten: over |
| 02:08.49 | transzoo | karsten: it was cool |
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| 02:09.03 | Max_- | dendrite.. yup, I don't plan to split home... thought more about the places where tons of images and the database will be stored |
| 02:09.12 | karsten | transzoo: Good experiences, no more holes than you left with: good tour. |
| 02:09.17 | Max_- | such things are installed in /sbin if I can remember??? |
| 02:09.22 | transzoo | karsten: exactly |
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| 02:09.47 | transzoo | karsten: got some $$$ saved up too, hence the new drive |
| 02:10.00 | karsten | transzoo: Sweet. |
| 02:10.05 | dendrite | Max_-: No, if I read you correctly. /sbin is for programs that only admin should use. Traditionally, many /sbin programs are statically linked... |
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| 02:10.19 | dendrite | Or, I should say *used* to be statically linked. |
| 02:10.22 | transzoo | karsten: yep, well i'm off to go smoke a cig, thanks for the help bro |
| 02:10.29 | karsten | transzoo: NP. |
| 02:10.43 | karsten | Max_-: /sbin is just boot-time administrative binaries. |
| 02:10.53 | dendrite | Max_-: Traditionally, data goes under /var/ |
| 02:10.57 | Max_- | dendrite: oh okay.. then.. emmm what is the /dir in which www and mysql and php will be? |
| 02:11.01 | Max_- | karsten okay! thanks |
| 02:11.07 | karsten | Max_-: ... or /home, or /servers IIRC |
| 02:11.21 | dendrite | Max_-: /var/www is common. /var/<database> is common too. |
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| 02:11.25 | Max_- | (sorry, but IIRC stands for?) |
| 02:11.38 | mjoelk | Im playing with 'munin'. I deleted it (apt-get remove munin + deleting all directories) for some reason not necesarry to mention. Anyhow, i dont recieve the plugin directory when i try to apt-get it again.. anybody know why? |
| 02:11.44 | amphi | Max_-: install bsdgames and use wtf(6) ;) |
| 02:11.52 | Max_- | okay... then most likely /var should be on another partition then!!! |
| 02:12.02 | karsten | !iirc |
| 02:12.02 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 02:12.04 | amphi | Max_-: IIRC means 'if I recall correctly' |
| 02:12.34 | Max_- | ohhh okay thanks amphi and karsten .. don't know all acronyms in english! |
| 02:12.38 | dendrite | Max_-: PostgreSQL, for instance, lives in /var/lib/postgresql/ |
| 02:12.42 | pickcoder | Max_-: and /tmp/ if you have applications that read, write, and delete files frequently |
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| 02:13.09 | Max_- | pickcoder.. but the problem is to know how much space to give to that /temp now.... |
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| 02:13.22 | karsten | !fhs |
| 02:13.22 | dpkg | [fhs] the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 02:13.48 | dendrite | Max_-: karsten's fhs remark is for you, it describes the standard places for things. |
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| 02:14.19 | Max_- | okay.. I take a look |
| 02:14.28 | dendrite | Max_-: Also at least be aware of LVM, which can help by making disk allocation more flexible. |
| 02:14.34 | Max_- | but beside that... what FS should I use for that kind of server? |
| 02:14.40 | mhall | i think i'm a moron dpkg |
| 02:14.43 | karsten | dendrite: ... mixed blessing. |
| 02:14.57 | dendrite | karsten: Yes, notice I didn't say he should use, it, just be aware of it. |
| 02:14.58 | mhall | how do you get dpkg to moronificate you |
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| 02:15.05 | karsten | Max_-: In general I'd point you at ext3fs. It's a good overall performer with recovery / rollback. |
| 02:15.13 | karsten | mhall: ?? |
| 02:15.13 | dendrite | !moron dendrite |
| 02:15.13 | dpkg | dendrite: You are moron #15 |
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| 02:15.37 | mhall | dendrite: i could swear i saw a time where it'd do it if you said too many sentences containing dpkg |
| 02:15.43 | Max_- | karsten : really? .. heard recently it was the slower/worst of ext2/ext3/reiser |
| 02:15.46 | mhall | dendrite: but i never figured out the exact trigget |
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| 02:15.53 | mhall | Max_-: there is a very good reason for that |
| 02:16.06 | dendrite | mhall: Anyhow, you're distracting me from the incipient file system flame war!!! ;-) |
| 02:16.10 | Max_- | yea? |
| 02:16.11 | karsten | Max_-: reiserfs is pretty good for spools (mail / usenet), ext2fs is faster than ext3 and uses less space, because it doesn't have a journale (and you can't recover sometimes). |
| 02:16.14 | mhall | Max_-: number one, ext2 will always be faster than ext3 because jounaling causes overhead |
| 02:16.16 | pickcoder | Max_-: the good thing about mounting /var, /tmp, /usr on different paritions than / is that you can expand them later by copying the directory to a new drive and just changing the mount device |
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| 02:16.30 | mhall | Max_-: until you have to fsck it, at which point you're fucked |
| 02:16.38 | pickcoder | though I guess you can do that with a single / mount point too |
| 02:16.40 | streuner_ | dendrite: how about dpkg, start a fs war? ;-) |
| 02:16.42 | apfel | what program do you use for recording a video with your webcam? |
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| 02:16.50 | mhall | Max_-: other thing is, the only linux journal os that journals data as well as metadata is ext3 |
| 02:17.05 | dendrite | streuner_: =) |
| 02:17.09 | karsten | Max_-: reiserfs has worked well for me, but some folks report problems. reiser4 isn't in the mainstraim kernel trea largely for political / personality reasons, but this does have an impact on technology. |
| 02:17.13 | mhall | Max_-: the others only journal metadata, which means, if there is a glitch the FS will be safe but some of your file might get zeroed out |
| 02:17.51 | mhall | Max_-: this is because the enterprise journal fses are meant to protect against other failures besides power failure |
| 02:17.59 | Max_- | dendrite does well :P |
| 02:18.03 | karsten | dendrite: /lastlog -file notes |
| 02:18.13 | mhall | Max_-: more like drive failure, system reboots, random hardware glitches |
| 02:18.27 | Max_- | okay... |
| 02:18.29 | karsten | Max_-: xfs/jfs in particular seem to respond *very* poorly to unplanned service outages. |
| 02:18.37 | Max_- | so I'd really better do with ext3 |
| 02:18.50 | mhall | karsten: but to their credit the xfs maintainers did add this to their faq |
| 02:18.58 | mhall | Max_-: yes, it's the safest and it's not all that much slower |
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| 02:19.10 | karsten | Max_-: One of the benefits of ext3 is that, pedestrian as it is, it's *very* heavily used, has been incrementally developed, and doens't seem to blow up very much if at all. |
| 02:19.10 | Max_- | okay... ext3 choosen |
| 02:19.13 | karsten | mhall: Point. |
| 02:19.14 | mhall | Max_-: it's just your own box right? so who cares if it's a tad bit slower |
| 02:19.20 | karsten | Max_-: Good boy. |
| 02:19.36 | mhall | Max_-: it's 100% slower by definition if it loses data |
| 02:19.37 | pickcoder | I've only been unable to recover from ext2 after a head crash the drive was toast |
| 02:19.39 | mhall | Max_-: ;-) |
| 02:19.47 | Max_- | mhall no.. it's not my box, and there's gonna be possible thousands of users on it |
| 02:19.50 | mhall | pickcoder: lol exactly |
| 02:19.57 | mhall | Max_-: will it have a UPS? |
| 02:20.03 | Max_- | you're right on the 100% thing |
| 02:20.06 | karsten | Max_-: For that what you really should be researching are backup and failover / recovery solutions. |
| 02:20.22 | karsten | Max_-: That's going to do a *lot* more for you in terms of recovery/uptime than FS choice. |
| 02:20.24 | mhall | Max_-: if it has power backup you can think about some other journal fses like jfs or xfs |
| 02:20.33 | Max_- | mhall .. that would be a good idea.. didn't even think about it |
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| 02:20.47 | mhall | Max_-: yeah you might want to consider that in the long term |
| 02:20.53 | bgat | can someone tell me how to fix this: |
| 02:20.59 | bgat | W: GPG error: http://ftp.egr.msu.edu etch Release: Unknown error |
| 02:20.59 | bgat | executing gpgv |
| 02:21.09 | dendrite | As dodgy as the electricity is getting around here, I'm about to put UPS's on my damn toaster... |
| 02:21.09 | mhall | Max_-: the ups will generate cleaner power and you'll have fewer odd problems and equipment failures |
| 02:21.16 | mhall | dendrite: ouch, where's this? |
| 02:21.18 | karsten | bgat: /topic |
| 02:21.35 | karsten | !tell bgat about 2006 key |
| 02:21.37 | Max_- | I was also thinking of a RAID.. in case of disk failure... |
| 02:21.40 | dendrite | mhall: Near Washington DC. Old suburb. Rain? Wind? Expect power glitches. |
| 02:21.44 | Max_- | an very frequent backups of database |
| 02:21.53 | mhall | dendrite: doh. overhead lines. f0ck. |
| 02:21.55 | pickcoder | dendrite: heh just don't expect the battery to last more than 6 months |
| 02:21.56 | bgat | karsten: thanks! |
| 02:22.01 | karsten | bgat: NP. |
| 02:22.04 | mhall | pickcoder: ? why |
| 02:22.09 | dendrite | pickcoder: As long as it lasts through this loaf of bread... ;-) |
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| 02:22.18 | mhall | Max_-: raid is a good move and quite cheap these days compared to lost data |
| 02:22.21 | pickcoder | constant line interaction kills wet cell batteries |
| 02:22.40 | dendrite | That reminds me, I need to dig up replacement batteries for a Back-UPS Pro 1100... |
| 02:22.43 | Max_- | mhall ... hehe sure is! |
| 02:22.52 | nyk2005 | How can I prevent sendmail from relaying mail from everyone?? help, desperately needed... :) |
| 02:23.16 | mhall | Max_-: if you have some juiced CPUs then you can use linux multidisk device to get raid 5. most good mobos come with hardware 0, 1, 0+1 as well |
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| 02:23.42 | jschudar | I've been trying to use "sed" to change the first four letters of a text file. Is anybody proficient enough with sed to help out a bit? |
| 02:23.45 | mhall | Max_-: my suggested setup for this is, use the 1 or the 0+1 on the boot drive, and use linux md or a raid 5 controller on the data |
| 02:24.01 | mhall | Max_-: booting from linux md is kinda hard as well as flaky and not worth the bullshit |
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| 02:24.05 | Max_- | mhall yup... the main server is not yet chosen... I might ask whatever I want ... the boss should get it |
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| 02:24.21 | fisxoj | can someone help, xorg keeps crashing, saying my graphics driver can't find the agp or my mouse driver |
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| 02:24.27 | mhall | Max_-: yeah in that case you might think of a Sun or HP opteron with a hardware raid 5 card |
| 02:24.37 | fisxoj | I just tried to install xgl |
| 02:24.44 | karsten | jschudar: sed '1,1 {s/^..../newvalue/}' |
| 02:24.49 | mhall | Max_-: if you have some real dough maybe you can get 10k sata or 15k ultra scsi |
| 02:24.54 | jschudar | :) |
| 02:24.57 | jschudar | I'll try that thank you |
| 02:25.08 | mhall | Max_-: and if you're more hardcore than porn you could go with sas |
| 02:25.10 | Max_- | ... finances are low enough though these times... |
| 02:25.18 | mhall | Max_-: aww darn |
| 02:25.21 | Max_- | ???sas??? |
| 02:25.22 | Max_- | :P |
| 02:25.31 | mhall | Max_-: sas is scsi, but on two sata cables |
| 02:25.40 | Max_- | yup... that's something bad.. .. $$$... |
| 02:25.46 | Max_- | oh! |
| 02:25.52 | nyk2005 | How can I prevent sendmail from relaying mail from everyone?? help, desperately needed... :) |
| 02:25.55 | Max_- | this could be great |
| 02:25.56 | fisxoj | please, xorg can't seem to find some drivers, it must be the script that messed things up |
| 02:26.11 | karsten | nyk2005: sendmail or another smtp server? |
| 02:26.14 | karsten | nyk2005: GIYF |
| 02:26.18 | mhall | Nurbs: one real easy way is not to use sendmail |
| 02:26.24 | karsten | mhall: ;-) |
| 02:26.24 | mhall | karsten: giyf? |
| 02:26.25 | Max_- | don't know if there's a way to store most accessed tables on RAM also... it could save on system's life |
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| 02:26.53 | mhall | Max_-: the trick to that is, linux lets you choose the I/O scheduler when you build the kernel |
| 02:27.03 | johnssen | mhall: profanity? |
| 02:27.04 | mhall | Max_-: for normal I/O you use anticipatory |
| 02:27.18 | karsten | Max_-: Your system will automatically cache most-recently accessed disk reads. Simply load up on RAM. |
| 02:27.23 | nyk2005 | karsten: sendmail... now disabled this in sendmail.mc: DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Family=inet, Name=MTA-v4, Port=smtp')dnl |
| 02:27.25 | Max_- | ... omg.. wish I had all that knowledge already |
| 02:27.31 | karsten | !giyf |
| 02:27.31 | dpkg | i heard giyf is Google Is Your Friend |
| 02:27.34 | Max_- | that would be great |
| 02:27.49 | nyk2005 | karsten: and MAILER('smtp') |
| 02:27.50 | karsten | nyk2005: I don't use sendmail. |
| 02:27.54 | pickcoder | I think that 10K SATA is just as fast as UltraSCSI |
| 02:28.10 | mhall | Max_-: for you you'd want to change to the deadline scheduler |
| 02:28.20 | mhall | pickcoder: yes for normal work, but scsi can hold a deeper queue |
| 02:28.22 | pickcoder | you may squeeze a little bit more out of 15K RPM spindles under UltraSCSI |
| 02:28.30 | Max_- | indeed |
| 02:28.34 | mhall | pickcoder: also 10k sata do not have sata-2 ncq support yet |
| 02:28.38 | peterS | pickcoder: yeah if you have water cooling |
| 02:28.41 | pickcoder | mhall: yeah, but the pricing is no comparison |
| 02:28.43 | mhall | pickcoder: still waiting on WD to come out with that |
| 02:28.57 | mhall | pickcoder: as part of a total server the cost difference is not always that high |
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| 02:29.21 | mhall | pickcoder: it'd be more of a problem on a great big array with a fuckload of big drives |
| 02:29.21 | fisxoj | What's the mouse driver? |
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| 02:29.29 | fisxoj | and/or kernel module |
| 02:29.33 | mhall | pickcoder: a server with a handful of ~40 G drives, maybe not such an issue |
| 02:29.38 | pickcoder | mhall: yeah |
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| 02:29.58 | pickcoder | mhall: I'd never put a 3TB drive system on SATA |
| 02:30.04 | pickcoder | mhall: :P |
| 02:30.06 | Bac9 | how do I mount ntfs partition via backup boot sector? it says "primary boot sector invalid" |
| 02:30.08 | karsten | fisxoj: mousedev |
| 02:30.13 | mhall | pickcoder: i have got 1.5 TB on it right now |
| 02:30.25 | mhall | pickcoder: it'd be fine for something that didn't have to be real fuckin fast |
| 02:30.26 | pickcoder | mhall: 3ware? |
| 02:30.32 | mhall | pickcoder: md |
| 02:30.33 | karsten | Bac9: Um. Good question. Possibly with an NTFS rescue system. |
| 02:30.39 | fisxoj | karsten: thank you so much |
| 02:30.41 | karsten | Bac9: What happened to the device in question? |
| 02:30.44 | karsten | fisxoj: NP |
| 02:30.45 | fisxoj | works now |
| 02:30.46 | mhall | pickcoder: i have two 2gig opterons so i can handle a 5% cpu load |
| 02:30.46 | Bac9 | karbas: sugestions? |
| 02:31.06 | Bac9 | karsten: I don't know, I am just the person that was asked to recover the data if possible |
| 02:31.10 | mhall | pickcoder: i have them set to ondemand CPU speed adjustment so my box runs way cooler now |
| 02:31.17 | mhall | pickcoder: doesn't heat up my apt. like it used to |
| 02:31.26 | pickcoder | mhall: what RAID level and what's your I/O throughput? |
| 02:31.27 | karsten | Bac9: Assuming tab complete misfire. There's a WinNT password recovery Linux-bootable ssytem. |
| 02:31.29 | mhall | pickcoder: and it almost never kicks up to 2 gig on both |
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| 02:31.34 | dendrite | Bac9: So you're looking to mount the thing under debian? |
| 02:31.36 | karsten | Bac9: There's also a few Windows-based recovery tools. |
| 02:31.42 | mhall | pickcoder: well i'm running raid 5 on 5 250gb sata 2 volumes |
| 02:31.53 | mhall | pickcoder: let me do a big test |
| 02:32.04 | Bac9 | dendrite: under anything, I really don't care as long as I can get the file off |
| 02:32.18 | karsten | Bac9: http://home.eunet.no/pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html |
| 02:32.20 | conniption | Is there some bug udev in sid? Suddenly X doesn't want to play nice :o/ |
| 02:32.24 | dendrite | Bac9: Is the partition table for the drive intact? |
| 02:32.33 | Bac9 | karsten: problem with msft windows based recovery tools is you need msft windows running, which is a tad of a problem |
| 02:32.38 | dendrite | Bac9: Anyhow, ask dpkg about ntfs. |
| 02:32.42 | karsten | Bac9: ... more aimed at password recovery. My *first* suggestion would be to image the drive (dd) and do all your work on that. |
| 02:32.48 | karsten | Bac9: Not quite. |
| 02:32.53 | pickcoder | mhall: I get about 120Mb/sec with RAID10 and 4 Raptors on a 3ware 9550SX |
| 02:33.14 | karsten | Bac9: BartPE: http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ |
| 02:33.17 | Bac9 | dendrite: the drive partition table is ok, one of the partitions is mountable |
| 02:33.25 | mhall | pickcoder: yeah i didn't go with raptors, i went with 7200s cause i wanted fuckin SPACE |
| 02:33.35 | karsten | Bac9: .... I think you'll need a Windows box to actually create that but it's a standalone bootable CD. |
| 02:33.40 | Bac9 | karsten: don't have 120G spare |
| 02:33.41 | mhall | pickcoder: i have got an hp netserver lp200r with 6x15k seagates though |
| 02:33.46 | mhall | pickcoder: that thing is badass |
| 02:33.48 | karsten | Bac9: Talk to your client. |
| 02:33.52 | dendrite | !ntfs |
| 02:33.53 | dpkg | i guess ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs |
| 02:33.59 | mhall | pickcoder: lp2000r* |
| 02:34.07 | karsten | Bac9: Problem with disk forensics is that you stand a good chance of trashing the system. |
| 02:34.15 | Bac9 | dendrite: I don't suppose you can recomend anything? |
| 02:34.30 | Bac9 | karsten: true, so I have to get this right the first time |
| 02:34.31 | dendrite | Bac9: Nope, I'd follow up with the info that dpkg spit out. |
| 02:34.34 | mhall | pickcoder: hmm, on 10GB of zeros i get 10737418240 bytes (11 GB) copied, 70.0813 seconds, 153 MB/s |
| 02:34.49 | mhall | pickcoder: it probably cached some of it in my 4GB of ram though |
| 02:34.58 | mhall | pickcoder: do you suppose there's a more accurate way to test it |
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| 02:35.00 | karsten | Bac9: some filesystems offer use of alternate superblocks. Best I can tell Linux's ntfs drivers doen't support this. |
| 02:35.13 | conniption | Guess not... hmm what to do |
| 02:35.25 | fisxoj | any ideas as to why the kernel doesn't load modules for my hardware anymore? |
| 02:35.41 | fisxoj | the mouse, the agp, the wireless and wired network cards... none load |
| 02:35.46 | mhall | pickcoder: cause i really shouldn't be able to beat your raptor array |
| 02:35.52 | mhall | pickcoder: that should seriously kick my ass |
| 02:35.54 | conniption | fisxoj: did you try loading them manually? I think it may be a problem with the recent udev update? |
| 02:35.57 | mhall | pickcoder: cause i just use 7200s |
| 02:36.03 | conniption | fisxoj, I'm having the same problem :o\ |
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| 02:36.19 | Bac9 | karsten: as far as the links you gave, msft windows doesn't even see the partition, tried an install cd and it said unrecognized partition |
| 02:36.20 | pickcoder | mhall: bonnie++ |
| 02:36.34 | pickcoder | mhall: specify a file-size greater than RAM |
| 02:36.39 | fisxoj | conniption: was the update as of tonight? |
| 02:36.51 | Bac9 | karsten: from what I've read ntfs has 1 backup superblock, but how to mount using that is the question |
| 02:37.01 | conniption | fisxoj: not sure, it'd been a couple days that I didn't update, so I updated tonight and it bit me. |
| 02:37.05 | fisxoj | conniption: I made the mistake of doing an update *and* installing something unstable, so I don't know which it was |
| 02:37.17 | mhall | pickcoder: i could never figure out the fucking interface to that app |
| 02:37.17 | pickcoder | mhall: you also have to remember that you have a lot more spindles than I do. That spreads out the I/O |
| 02:37.18 | fisxoj | conniption: any idea when it'll be fixed? |
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| 02:37.34 | mhall | pickcoder: do you have some options that work |
| 02:37.53 | pickcoder | bonnie -s 4000 |
| 02:37.57 | conniption | fisxoj: ah. probably the update.. probably in a day or two. I'm probably going to try to figure out how to regress udev if I can, and if it is indeed udev is the problem, should fix it. |
| 02:38.09 | pickcoder | 4000 KByte test size |
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| 02:38.24 | pickcoder | or even go 6GB |
| 02:38.31 | mhall | pickcoder: but, i need, like, 3-4 GB to pound my kernel anticipatory i/o scheduler eh? |
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| 02:38.40 | fisxoj | conniption: maybe we can find older udev packages |
| 02:39.01 | pickcoder | run ramsize first and see what you get. If it's over 200MB then you're caching a lot. |
| 02:39.08 | conniption | Yes.. I think there's a way to specify the version via apt-get. |
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| 02:39.25 | conniption | something like apt-get install udev=version or such... |
| 02:39.30 | mhall | pickcoder: how do i tell it to make its file on /raid |
| 02:39.36 | fisxoj | is anyone else having this udev problem? |
| 02:39.49 | mhall | ah -d |
| 02:39.58 | karsten | Bac9: |
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| 02:40.26 | karsten | Bac9: ... OK. Question now becomes how much this is worth to you. |
| 02:40.33 | Wyzard | fisxoj: My laptop seems to be having some issues when rebooting after today's update, but I can't tell whether it's udev-related |
| 02:40.34 | pickcoder | gah 4000 is in MB not KB |
| 02:40.37 | TML | I cannot figure out what on my system regularly chmod's /dev/null to 0600. |
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| 02:41.06 | mhall | pickcoder: no you have to put Mb on CLI |
| 02:41.11 | conniption | I'm going to go futz around with apt and try to regress udev and see if that fixes it. |
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| 02:41.14 | Wyzard | udev wouldn't cause GDM and all my gettys to fail to start |
| 02:41.17 | TML | Nor can I understand why anything should want to. Shouldn't everyone have access to /dev/null? |
| 02:42.02 | fisxoj | conniptionL it looks like the packages website still has 0.98-2 (our version is 0.100) |
| 02:42.07 | mhall | pickcoder: yeah bonnie is chewin cpu, it clocked one of them up to 2 ghz |
| 02:42.08 | kingsley | TML: Perhaps you could check it periodically to learn *when* it changes, and that knowledge may help you identify which code changes it. For example, it might be changed by a nightly cron job. |
| 02:42.09 | fisxoj | *conniption: |
| 02:42.38 | mhall | pickcoder: probably cause it uses putc, not the world's fastest io function lol |
| 02:42.50 | pickcoder | mhall: it does a range of tests |
| 02:42.57 | tulioBRA | make: i586-mingw32-gcc: Command not found |
| 02:42.57 | tulioBRA | make: *** [chips/dsp1emu.obj] Error 127 |
| 02:43.01 | pickcoder | mhall: it may take a few minutes to run |
| 02:43.06 | tulioBRA | can somebody help me? i already installed mingw32 |
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| 02:43.11 | karsten | TML: Yes, everyone should have full write access to /dev/null. |
| 02:43.36 | TML | kingsley: Yeah. I thought of that too. It doesn't appear to be at a consistent interval. |
| 02:43.41 | kingsley | TML: while true ; do sleep 300 ; date >> /tmp/null.log ; ls -l /dev/null >> /tmp/null.log ; done |
| 02:44.02 | Wyzard | fisxoj: hmm, might be udev after all... I noticed some messages saying that my /dev/sda3 and /dev/sda4 don't exist, which means udev has mounted its tmpfs but hasn't created those nodes |
| 02:44.02 | mhall | pickcoder: ah ok |
| 02:44.24 | mhall | karsten: *gasp* they might overflow the bit bucket |
| 02:44.27 | karsten | Bac9: parted / qparted might help you as well. |
| 02:44.34 | mhall | karsten: how could you make such a cavalier statement about unix security |
| 02:44.44 | karsten | mhall: I did that once. Had to empty it out. *Bloody* mess. |
| 02:44.53 | karsten | mhall: pr0n and entropy all over the floor. |
| 02:45.15 | mhall | karsten: you sent pr0n into the bit bucket? *shock* |
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| 02:45.30 | karsten | mhall: just a bit. |
| 02:45.37 | mhall | no wonder you always seem to be horny and requesting sexual favors |
| 02:45.55 | karsten | mhall: Got me, studmuffin. |
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| 02:47.12 | fisxoj | what kernel modules do I need to modprobe to get access to a fat16 memory key? |
| 02:47.21 | Wyzard | fisxoj: OK, udev hasn't mounted /dev at all... (and I have no idea why my static /dev has nodes for sdb* but not sda*, but that's a separate issue) |
| 02:47.49 | fisxoj | Wyzard: I'm trying to get at a sda that isn't there also |
| 02:47.50 | karsten | Bac9: For shins'n'grits: what's 'fdisk -l' tell you about that disk? |
| 02:47.55 | karsten | !tell Bac9 about paster |
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| 02:47.57 | nyk2005 | how can I make sendmail refuse on port 25? |
| 02:48.28 | Wyzard | fisxoj: I can't log in after a normal boot because the gettys all crash -- I get a message from init saying they're respawning too fast so it's disabling them -- but I can boot in single-user and see that no tmpfs is mounted on /dev |
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| 02:48.55 | karsten | Bac9: ...and the more information on what went wrong with the system the better. |
| 02:49.00 | fisxoj | what kernel modules mounts memory keys? |
| 02:49.05 | karsten | fisxoj: ?? |
| 02:49.05 | pickcoder | nyk2005: did you try "dpkg-reconfigure sendmail" and select "local mail only" |
| 02:49.51 | nyk2005 | pickcoder: where? when I run this command, it just does nothing! |
| 02:49.52 | fisxoj | karsten: I d/led a undev .98-2 package and I'm trying to get it to the wounded computer |
| 02:50.04 | pickcoder | nyk2005: are you running Debian? |
| 02:50.15 | fisxoj | karsten: what kernel modules will let me mount the memory key? (fat16) |
| 02:50.18 | nyk2005 | pickcoder: yes |
| 02:50.27 | karsten | fisxoj: "memory key" means nothing to me, sorry. |
| 02:50.39 | pickcoder | nyk2005: then you must have installed sendmail by hand. The default MTA for Debian is exim4. |
| 02:51.00 | TML | karsten: A USB flashdrive, probably |
| 02:51.04 | karsten | fisxoj: Trying to access a USB drive? |
| 02:51.09 | fisxoj | karsten: a /dev/sda device, I need to get to /dev/sda1 it's a little plastic thing with a hard drive in it, 128MB |
| 02:51.10 | karsten | TML: Yeah, Google thinks so too. |
| 02:51.17 | karsten | fisxoj: Got it. Problem? |
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| 02:51.22 | nyk2005 | pickcoder: strange... no I got it from apt-ger |
| 02:51.23 | nyk2005 | pickcoder: strange... no I got it from apt-get |
| 02:51.38 | karsten | fisxoj: Ah.... 'usbuhci' and 'usbstorage' I think |
| 02:51.44 | pickcoder | nyk2005: you should be able to reconfigure sendmail's config through dpkg |
| 02:51.49 | fisxoj | karsten: ok, I'll try, ty |
| 02:51.52 | pickcoder | nyk2005: if you can't then: http://www.sendmail.org/tips/relaying.html |
| 02:52.10 | Wyzard | fisxoj: Oddly, if I "/etc/init.d/udev start" manually, it starts up, mounts /dev, and creates the nodes, including sda |
| 02:52.30 | karsten | fisxoj: usb_uhci and usb-storage FYI should be correct spelling. |
| 02:52.47 | karsten | fisxoj: If you're properly configured 'modprobe usb-storage' should be most of it. |
| 02:53.00 | pickcoder | nyk2005: or remove it and install postfix |
| 02:53.18 | pickcoder | then again I'm biased to postfix <G> |
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| 02:53.57 | fisxoj | karsten: still can't get at it |
| 02:54.02 | nyk2005 | pickcoder: i try FEATURE(relay_hosts_only) and an empty file |
| 02:54.04 | pickcoder | mhall: wow.. I get an amazing 16MB/sec with this IDE drive |
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| 02:54.24 | fisxoj | Wyzard: Do you get a warning when you run it? |
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| 02:54.46 | karsten | !tell fisxoj about paster |
| 02:54.54 | karsten | fisxoj: Paste output of 'lsmod' |
| 02:55.09 | karsten | fisxoj: http://www.linux-usb.org/FAQ.html |
| 02:55.26 | fisxoj | karsten: I can't, it's on another computer |
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| 02:55.33 | pickcoder | nyk2005: did you rebuild the sendmail.cf from sendmail.m4? |
| 02:55.36 | karsten | fisxoj: Sounds like a personal problem |
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| 02:55.43 | haldrik | hello |
| 02:55.45 | karsten | fisxoj: Figure out a way to get the data across. |
| 02:55.51 | nyk2005 | pickcoder: yes, but it still accepts any mails! :( |
| 02:56.21 | haldrik | how i can put a iptables rule for deny acces to an ip from internet? |
| 02:56.47 | Wyzard | fisxoj: No warnings that I see, just the usual messages as it loads drivers |
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| 02:56.59 | pickcoder | nyk2005: by default, sendmail rejects mail from every machine except localhost. You have to make changes to accept and relay mail from other machines. |
| 02:57.00 | karsten | fisxoj: Also: http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/FAQ_43_4520.shtm |
| 02:57.04 | fisxoj | karsten: the network is one of the modules that doesn't load |
| 02:57.15 | karsten | fisxoj: What kernel? What distro? |
| 02:57.23 | pickcoder | nyk2005: remove+purge sendmail and re-install it, if you prefer to use it. |
| 02:57.33 | karsten | fisxoj: Got a crossover parallel cable/ |
| 02:57.37 | karsten | fisxoj: ... or serial? |
| 02:57.38 | nyk2005 | pickcoder: I think I have to change the /etc/mail/access file |
| 02:57.43 | pickcoder | nyk2005: I honestly don't feel like giving someone a lecture on sendmail relaying config |
| 02:58.05 | pickcoder | nyk2005: I switched to postfix b/c sendmail is a PITA to configure |
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| 02:58.20 | fisxoj | karsten: no, I have a wired network line, but that's out too |
| 02:58.35 | fisxoj | Wyzard: I'm waiting for the warning to end and the script to run |
| 02:58.41 | karsten | fisxoj: serial/parallel crossover can be surprisingly useful. |
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| 02:59.13 | burd | I just installed on a P4 ht machine for the first time, I installed smp kernel and it still only shows one cpu in cpuinfo, I looked in the bios and ht was enabled is there soemthing I need to do? |
| 02:59.43 | karsten | Wyzard: I thought discover was HW discovery, udev is just the /dev tree. |
| 02:59.55 | fisxoj | karsten: now I know :) |
| 02:59.59 | burd | Wyzard, I think you may be mistaken but I'm not sure. i thought udev replaced hotplug |
| 03:00.04 | hobophobe | fisxoj, it is in fact udev |
| 03:00.12 | hobophobe | << conniption |
| 03:00.16 | karsten | burd: *I* thought it replaced devfs |
| 03:00.22 | Wyzard | karsten: As I understand it, these days udev handles all hotplugging, but at boot time it synthesizes hotplug events for the hardware currently in the system so it does coldplug too |
| 03:00.29 | fisxoj | hobophobe: so, we're all suffering from it |
| 03:00.29 | mhall | pickcoder: lol 16 haha, now what number do i read? http://pastebin.ca/163954 |
| 03:00.31 | pickcoder | nyk2005: there should only be localhost info in ./access |
| 03:00.55 | burd | karsten, you may be right there I think maybe hotplug got replaced in the changeover |
| 03:01.09 | karsten | burd: I seriously can't keep up with this shit. |
| 03:01.13 | hobophobe | you can still download 0.098-2 from links at packages.debian.org and then manually revert via dpkg -i on the downloaded deb |
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| 03:01.32 | burd | karsten, yup and debian is way more dynamic with the change to etch than say woody to sarge |
| 03:01.49 | nyk2005 | pickcoder: strange, I commented out everythink, still relaying everything... :( well... I ttoo tired, this just woke me up in trying to sleep.. :) |
| 03:01.57 | fisxoj | hobophobe: I'm doing that now |
| 03:02.10 | pickcoder | mhall: seq writes are 138M, seq reqs are 110M, rewrites are 26M. 319 seeks per second is pretty good |
| 03:02.16 | pickcoder | s/req/reads |
| 03:02.43 | fisxoj | haha, one thing I didn't miss was the module that did system beeps |
| 03:02.47 | nyk2005 | pickcoder: I'lll switch to postfix tomorrow. won't kill me when it keeps relaying for some hours? |
| 03:02.55 | hobophobe | Okay, good -- The ups and downs of sid, but hey if your X system didn't fail sometimes how would you know you're really alive? :oP |
| 03:03.31 | mhall | pickcoder: hmm. that's with sw raid 5, and 2x2ghz, and sata2 ncq |
| 03:03.44 | fisxoj | hobophobe: but it always manges to fail when I'm really tired and want nothing to do with it |
| 03:03.48 | mhall | pickcoder: are these reasonable numbers, and what does rewrites do that makes it so slow |
| 03:03.52 | pickcoder | nyk2005: if your mail server is exposed to the Internet then you need to shut it down or stop sendmail |
| 03:03.56 | fisxoj | goodnigh all |
| 03:04.04 | karsten | Bac9: Still here? |
| 03:05.34 | Wyzard | hobophobe: Running in single-user mode, udev seems to work fine if I start it manually -- it looks like it's just not starting automatically at boot time |
| 03:05.49 | pickcoder | mhall: I dunno about rewrites |
| 03:06.02 | nyk2005 | pickcoder: well but it has been like this for month... |
| 03:06.50 | mhall | nyk2005: how much spam |
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| 03:07.24 | burd | nyk2005, if you are on a static IP you are risking your IP being placed on blacklists |
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| 03:07.58 | nyk2005 | mhall: not so much, I think... but I just block port 25 in the firewall, then I'll be safe? |
| 03:08.40 | mhall | nyk2005: what kind of firewall |
| 03:08.42 | pickcoder | nyk2005: you aren't going to see spam in your box if you are running an open relay |
| 03:08.52 | pickcoder | nyk2005: people are going to use your box to send spam to other people |
| 03:09.12 | Bac9 | karsten: sorry stepped out for a bit |
| 03:09.12 | mhall | pickcoder: other thing is by default debian sendmail can't relay |
| 03:09.35 | nyk2005 | mhall: virtual server |
| 03:09.49 | nyk2005 | mhall: virtuozo admin firewall |
| 03:09.54 | pickcoder | mhall: http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/readme.html |
| 03:09.56 | karsten | Bac9: NP |
| 03:09.59 | mhall | nyk2005: yeah that oughta do the job |
| 03:10.03 | nyk2005 | pickcoder: I know, and it used my traffic! |
| 03:10.18 | karsten | Bac9: I'm thinking you rproblem may be more partition table than NTFS filesystem. |
| 03:10.38 | karsten | Bac9: qparted should be able to help you there. |
| 03:10.56 | karsten | Bac9: Either Debian or Knoppix being good options for accessing data via. |
| 03:10.57 | Bac9 | karsten: there are two partitions on that HDD, one is mountable and the other is not |
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| 03:11.12 | Bac9 | karsten: I tried qtparted but coldn't find anything usefull there |
| 03:11.17 | pickcoder | mhall: I know. All sendmail installations are preset to not relay anything except local mail |
| 03:11.24 | karsten | Bac9: OK. |
| 03:11.31 | Bac9 | karsten: I can't even mount the partition in question |
| 03:11.34 | karsten | Bac9: Time to quit or call in the cavalry. |
| 03:11.49 | nyk2005 | pickcoder: cool thanks... sleeping now will be less uneasy |
| 03:11.53 | Bac9 | karsten: I am the cavalry (at least in some people's eyes) |
| 03:11.56 | karsten | Bac9: qparted should be able to recover partition data based on disk contents. |
| 03:12.07 | karsten | Bac9: Work, friend, or family? |
| 03:12.08 | Bac9 | karsten: where's that option? |
| 03:12.17 | Bac9 | karsten: friend of a friend |
| 03:12.18 | karsten | Bac9: or gpart. |
| 03:12.28 | pickcoder | rkhunter really needs to be updated for udev |
| 03:12.34 | karsten | Bac9: Dunno, I don't have to do this particularly often. |
| 03:12.35 | Bac9 | karsten: I only saw create/delete partition options in qtparted |
| 03:12.38 | karsten | pickcoder: false positives? |
| 03:12.43 | pickcoder | yah |
| 03:12.44 | Bac9 | karsten: it's my first time too |
| 03:12.45 | karsten | pickcoder: Should be bugs filed on that. |
| 03:12.47 | pickcoder | dotfiles |
| 03:12.51 | karsten | pickcoder: Yeah. |
| 03:12.59 | karsten | Bac9: apt-cache show gpart |
| 03:13.15 | karsten | Bac9: commandline partition table guessing utility. I've used that _once_. Read the docs and godspeed. |
| 03:13.15 | haldrik | how i can put a iptables rule for deny acces to an ip from internet? |
| 03:13.25 | karsten | !tell haldrik about repeat |
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| 03:13.42 | karsten | haldrik: Reading the fine IPTABLES docs might be a good start. Unfortunatly non-trivial. |
| 03:13.44 | haldrik | karbas: I dont understand |
| 03:14.24 | karsten | !tell haldrik about rtfm |
| 03:14.28 | micky | hi, i've installed debian net-install 3.1 - kernel 2.4.27-3-386 and i'm really trying to make sanse why if i recompile the kernel using the default /boot/config-2.4.27-3-386 file it fails at boot (Mount root failed!) ... and i've included ext3 in the kernel (not as module)... |
| 03:14.45 | karsten | micky: Got yourself an initrd? |
| 03:14.53 | Bac9 | karsten: thanx for trying to help |
| 03:14.58 | karsten | Bac9: NP. |
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| 03:15.17 | micky | karsten does make-kpkg create an initrd ? cos mine doesn`t.... |
| 03:15.19 | mhall | karsten: no wonder udev sux, it's a rookit |
| 03:15.25 | pickcoder | micky: --initrd switch |
| 03:15.32 | mhall | karsten: i bet filing a bug on udev for that would confuse the developer |
| 03:15.33 | karsten | mhall: Shh! |
| 03:15.56 | mhall | karsten: what, the pun was too hard to re$sys$t |
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| 03:17.33 | Bac9 | karsten: gpart isn't an ntfs fixing tool, so it would not do the trick (just read the apt description) |
| 03:17.37 | micky | pickcoder will "make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image" include the initrd in the package and also include it in grub/menu.lst? |
| 03:17.58 | karsten | Bac9: Your reported error suggests a problem with the partition table, not the filesystem itself. |
| 03:18.00 | pickcoder | micky: yes |
| 03:18.21 | karsten | Bac9: In that case, gpart may resolve the issue. Or not. Again, I'd *strongly* advise working on an imaged copy of the data. |
| 03:18.36 | karsten | Bac9: That's a recommendation to pass on to your FOAF. |
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| 03:19.28 | mhall | karsten: damn, i figured you'd have *some* response to that. it was a good pun i made |
| 03:19.44 | Bac9 | karsten: that error comes from dmesg, from what I googled the ntfs boot sector sounds like a FAT of some sort |
| 03:20.05 | karsten | Bac9: Which error message? |
| 03:20.13 | karsten | mhall: 28 |
| 03:20.51 | Bac9 | karsten: "primary boot sector invalid" |
| 03:21.01 | pickcoder | eep |
| 03:21.12 | karsten | Bac9: OK. |
| 03:21.20 | Bac9 | karsten: that's when I try mounting the partition, there's another partition on that HDD that mounts just fine |
| 03:21.21 | karsten | Bac9: Still sounds like a partition issue. |
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| 03:22.03 | karsten | Bac9: Could be one part of the partition table is valid, another isn't. gpart will try to guess the disk structure based on a physical read. You can back up the existing table, and try the suggested one. |
| 03:22.10 | Bac9 | karsten: and considering it's the ntfs driver that reports that error I am guessing it's not the HDD partition but some more of msft changing common terminology |
| 03:22.37 | Bac9 | karsten: cfdisk sees both partitions |
| 03:23.03 | mhall | Bac9: pastebin the error please |
| 03:23.04 | Bac9 | karsten: do you think gpart would see something else? I can try |
| 03:23.08 | karsten | Bac9: oddly, Google groups doesn't see that error message. |
| 03:23.13 | karsten | Bac9: I think it's worth a shot. |
| 03:23.27 | Bac9 | mhall: let me get a camera and take a picture of the monitor )-: |
| 03:23.33 | karsten | Bac9: ... and again, posting output of 'fdisk -l' for that partition would be helpful. |
| 03:23.33 | pickcoder | Bac9: are you trying to mount an NTFS partition? |
| 03:23.38 | karsten | pickcoder: Yes. |
| 03:23.42 | karsten | pickcoder: ... he is. |
| 03:23.44 | pickcoder | gah |
| 03:23.46 | Bac9 | pickcoder: yes |
| 03:23.58 | pickcoder | !bless Bac9 |
| 03:23.58 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child Bac9, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 03:24.02 | mhall | f0ck f0ck f0ck f0ck f0ck |
| 03:24.07 | pickcoder | bbiab |
| 03:24.11 | karsten | mhall: Yes!? |
| 03:26.30 | micky | any idea on how can i see if the running kernel has config_nohighmem=n ? (support for 1GB+ RAM) |
| 03:26.52 | karsten | micky: Check your /boot/config-$( uname -r ) file |
| 03:27.01 | micky | okay |
| 03:27.19 | micky | thanks |
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| 03:28.19 | administrator | can anyone point me to where i can find out how to create a debian livecd? |
| 03:28.36 | karsten | administrator: bootcd, or modify Knoppix. |
| 03:28.43 | mhall | administrator: create as in make your own or create as in download and burn |
| 03:29.05 | Bac9 | karsten: fdisk -l: /dev/hda2 * 630 15507 112477680 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 03:29.28 | karsten | Bac9: OK, just the one line? |
| 03:29.29 | administrator | mhall: well i have been modifying a ubuntu livecd but i want to generate one myself and being that canonical has documentation no where i might have to switch to debian |
| 03:29.41 | Bac9 | karbas: and another for /dev/hda1 |
| 03:29.45 | karsten | Bac9: If you've got multiple partitions, that's definitely a f*cked partition table. |
| 03:29.46 | mhall | administrator: debian itself does not have live CDs |
| 03:29.54 | Bac9 | karsten: and another for /dev/hda1 |
| 03:29.58 | mhall | administrator: so you really would have to think Knoppix |
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| 03:30.09 | administrator | mhall: generate from seeds i think the term is |
| 03:30.11 | Bac9 | karsten: did you need that one too? |
| 03:30.14 | administrator | mhall: oh alright |
| 03:30.20 | mhall | administrator: or another of the many debian live cd distros; since knoppix is most famous i'd use that unless you can't for some reason |
| 03:30.35 | administrator | mhall: oh alright |
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| 03:30.40 | mhall | administrator: for knoppix the term is much simpler and more normal: customization |
| 03:30.59 | mhall | administrator: if you're on windows, probably better not to irc as an admin if you can avoid it |
| 03:31.01 | administrator | mhall: that cannot be generated from scratch? |
| 03:31.16 | administrator | mhall: i am not on windows |
| 03:31.17 | mhall | administrator: you can generate one from scratch i suppose |
| 03:31.22 | administrator | mhall: alright |
| 03:31.27 | karsten | Bac9: The whole damned thing would be useful. If you can work out any way to get data from that box w/out having to type it it's your win. Floppy, USB, network, serial console. I don't care how. |
| 03:31.32 | mhall | administrator: whether or not you'd want to is another question |
| 03:31.43 | mhall | administrator: i'd have to understand your application better to figure that out |
| 03:31.55 | administrator | mhall: fluxbuntu |
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| 03:32.15 | Bac9 | karsten: ok, I'll go get the other line (pen/paper, yeah old school) |
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| 03:32.25 | administrator | mhall: i want a lightweight distro that can be installed on all types of ranges of computers |
| 03:32.34 | pickcoder | Bac9: no 'net connection on that box? |
| 03:32.35 | administrator | mhall: that is the purpose of fluxbuntu |
| 03:32.53 | mhall | administrator: right i gotcha |
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| 03:33.35 | tenzing_ | !ping |
| 03:33.35 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:33.38 | mhall | administrator: probably what you could do is get a chroot tree going from a knoppix *cd*, and install / remove packages as needed |
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| 03:33.46 | administrator | mhall: oh alright |
| 03:34.00 | mhall | administrator: cd is a better starting point for you than the dvd cause you don't really want a whole dvd of crap for a distro like yours |
| 03:34.00 | administrator | mhall: i wish there was a way to do it from scratch though |
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| 03:34.06 | mhall | administrator: there probably is |
| 03:34.17 | administrator | mhall: yes exactly the iso right now is 471mb |
| 03:34.21 | Bac9 | karsten: /dev/hda1 1 629 4755208+ b W95 FAT32 |
| 03:34.40 | Bac9 | pickcoder: I am just booting it with knoppix as that's the first livecd I could find |
| 03:34.44 | mhall | administrator: you can do it on gentoo for sure http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_build_a_LiveCD_from_scratch |
| 03:35.12 | icyfire0573 | How do I create an initrd to handle the root disk on LVM2 (Etch) |
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| 03:36.42 | administrator | mhall: thank you for the link |
| 03:36.45 | Bac9 | karsten: aside from the headder line those are the only two lines of `fdisk -l` output |
| 03:37.28 | mhall | administrator: if you have the patience gentoo could maybe be a good choice because you'd have a shitload of control when it came to deleting shit with USE variables |
| 03:37.29 | pickcoder | Bac9: you can get on the web with knoppix and use a paste site |
| 03:37.35 | administrator | mhall: well i am going to look into this and see what i am going to do |
| 03:37.36 | mhall | administrator: but it could be kind of a pain in the ass to config |
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| 03:37.40 | administrator | mhall: yeah that is true |
| 03:37.49 | mhall | administrator: yeah you might have to try a few things |
| 03:38.00 | mhall | administrator: i wrote some instructions on making knoppix cds but they are old now |
| 03:38.10 | Bac9 | pickcoder: that would require running a cable to that box, I don't have long enough cable |
| 03:38.11 | mhall | administrator: it took me a long time to sort everything out |
| 03:38.12 | streuner_ | mhall: is everything ok? :-) |
| 03:38.18 | mhall | streuner_: ? |
| 03:38.45 | pickcoder | icyfire0573: you can make one manually with mkinitrd or mkinitramfs |
| 03:38.45 | streuner_ | hm, you gave advice how to use gentoo in #debian |
| 03:38.45 | pickcoder | icyfire0573: depending on your /sys setup |
| 03:39.43 | icyfire0573 | I'm running /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-xen 2.6.16.13-xen. And then when I go to boot off of the kernel it still panics not finding the root filesystem. |
| 03:40.12 | pickcoder | icyfire0573: does the grub/lilo config point to it? |
| 03:40.22 | icyfire0573 | Yes it does. |
| 03:40.23 | administrator | mhall: it is going to be quite sad if i have to change the name of my distro |
| 03:40.29 | tengulre11 | icyfire0573: mkinitrd, I think |
| 03:40.36 | administrator | mhall: i am looking into this as a last restort |
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| 03:42.36 | mhall | administrator: the problem i have had with the ubuntu distro is |
| 03:42.43 | mhall | administrator: they don't have enough experts |
| 03:42.56 | mhall | administrator: and the experts they do have don't seem to brush up against users much |
| 03:43.04 | [TechGuy] | I'm beginning to wonder if libnss-ldap has been orphaned. It's got a few grave bugs and no work on it in a long while |
| 03:43.14 | administrator | mhall: i think the support for the user base is great |
| 03:43.25 | administrator | mhall: but when it comes to developers it is lacking |
| 03:43.25 | mhall | administrator: try asking a *hard* question |
| 03:43.33 | administrator | mhall: like with my situation |
| 03:43.40 | mhall | administrator: right. because all the developers are salarymen |
| 03:43.52 | Wyzard | [TechGuy]: http://packages.qa.debian.org/libn/libnss-ldap.html |
| 03:43.57 | mhall | administrator: in their own little world, kind of like people in the us military compared to us civilians |
| 03:44.00 | Wyzard | [TechGuy]: libnss-ldap is maintained by Stephen Frost |
| 03:44.11 | karsten | Bac9: OK. One of those may be incorrect. |
| 03:44.12 | streuner_ | administrator: read /topic |
| 03:44.32 | [TechGuy] | Wyzard: Oh believe me, I know. I've attempted to contact him multiple times |
| 03:44.34 | Bac9 | karsten: the first partition is mountable, the second is not |
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| 03:44.41 | administrator | streuner_: i know what channel i am in |
| 03:44.44 | karsten | Bac9: ... or not. Again, gparted should be able to confirm / verify the partition table. If it matches the existing table, then you have a filesystem issue. |
| 03:44.58 | streuner_ | administrator: but you aren't care much, aren't you? |
| 03:45.00 | Wyzard | [TechGuy]: You mean that he's MIA then, not that the package is orphaned |
| 03:45.01 | pickcoder | micky: did the bigmem option work? |
| 03:45.10 | karsten | Bac9: ... if it *doesn't*, you have a partition table issue. Either way, you've eliminated a likely option (occam's razor and all that). |
| 03:45.10 | Wyzard | [TechGuy]: Orphaned packages have the "Debian QA Team" as their maintainer |
| 03:45.14 | administrator | streuner_: have you read the entire conversation? |
| 03:45.27 | [TechGuy] | Wyzard: Close enough |
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| 03:50.18 | fando | #fando |
| 03:50.34 | fando | trying to dist-upgrade tonight, but I'm getting this libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-4) but 2.3.6-15 is installed |
| 03:50.34 | mhall | !ops please kick fando for advertising |
| 03:50.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: mhall complains about: please kick fando for advertising |
| 03:50.37 | fando | help |
| 03:50.49 | fando | mhall, that was a typo in /part #fando |
| 03:50.58 | mhall | !ops sorry ops my bad |
| 03:50.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: mhall complains about: sorry ops my bad |
| 03:51.21 | Rez | /mode #debian +b mhall*!*@* |
| 03:51.46 | mhall | !murder mhall |
| 03:51.59 | mhall | fando: btw. sorry about that. i've gotten spambot shellshocked |
| 03:52.02 | fando | anyone else having this dep issue? :( |
| 03:52.07 | fando | np |
| 03:52.12 | mhall | fando: so which dist levels are you upgrading |
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| 03:52.15 | streuner_ | Rez: he already said sorry. |
| 03:52.29 | mhall | Rez: lol. thanks for pourin salt on the wound. |
| 03:52.34 | Rez | streuner_: that was for the way he said sorry :) |
| 03:52.52 | mhall | Rez: was afraid they might miss it if i didn't send it the same way |
| 03:53.02 | fando | I'm on sid, my last update was maybe two months ago |
| 03:53.02 | mhall | Rez: wasn't trying to be an asshole, honest |
| 03:53.22 | mhall | fando: ok. hmm. all you have to do is, temporarily remove libc6-dev |
| 03:53.24 | streuner_ | o_O mhall... mhall |
| 03:53.33 | mhall | fando: your system will still work without that |
| 03:53.35 | fando | I tried... everything depends on it :( |
| 03:53.42 | mhall | fando: nope, it's -dev |
| 03:53.49 | mhall | fando: not *that* much could require it |
| 03:54.17 | fando | build-essential depends on it, and I'm upgrading so I can recompile my kernel |
| 03:54.27 | mhall | fando: right, but chill out though |
| 03:54.33 | fando | with the latest build tools so I can debug some Oops I've been having :( |
| 03:54.40 | mhall | fando: once you get libc working again you should be able to reinstall -dev |
| 03:55.06 | mhall | fando: sometimes you just have to pull stuff out for a little bit to make fixes |
| 03:55.17 | mhall | fando: this is part of what can happen with unstable some times |
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| 03:55.28 | fando | how can I zap libc6-dev ? apt-get -f remove doesn't do it |
| 03:55.58 | mhall | fando: regular apt-get remove |
| 03:56.14 | mhall | fando: -f is only for stuff like fixing some damage caused by manual dpkg overrides and stuff |
| 03:56.15 | streuner_ | fando: show us the whole error in paster bot |
| 03:56.38 | mhall | fando: streuner's prolly right about that, showin the error can help |
| 03:56.48 | fando | how do I send to paster? |
| 03:56.55 | streuner_ | !paste |
| 03:56.55 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 03:57.04 | mhall | streuner_: you know what's weird? i had a dream that you and a bunch of us regulars started chatting with voice instead of IRC one night a few days ago |
| 03:57.15 | mhall | streuner_: you had a real funny German accent in the dream |
| 03:57.21 | [TechGuy] | mhall: Too many voices in my head! |
| 03:57.22 | streuner_ | haha |
| 03:58.03 | mhall | [TechGuy]: yeah for real, i think the ticket to that goofy dream was, i irced late into the night and passed out like a light just right after |
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| 03:58.10 | fando | done |
| 03:58.13 | mhall | Wyzard: probably the 10 millionth one |
| 03:58.14 | [TechGuy] | mhall: Yeah, that'd do it |
| 03:58.20 | fando | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3648 |
| 03:58.24 | Wyzard | mhall: I didn't see any other reports of it, actually |
| 03:58.33 | mhall | Wyzard: i meant in udev overall ;-) |
| 03:58.37 | Wyzard | ah |
| 03:58.41 | mhall | Wyzard: what's the specifics of this one |
| 03:58.46 | fando | I'll paste the apt-get check if anyone's interested |
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| 03:58.55 | fando | argh, I have to eat... brb in 40 min |
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| 03:59.06 | Wyzard | mhall: Well, this one isn't actually in udev, just in the maintainer scripts -- its startup links get removed from /etc/rcS.d so it doesn't start at boot time |
| 03:59.22 | mhall | fando: yeah you're gonna have to shitcan your -devs and reinstall after the d-u process is done |
| 03:59.29 | mhall | Wyzard: doh |
| 03:59.29 | Wyzard | mhall: After recreating them (I just purged and reinstalled the package, actually) it works fine as far as I can tell |
| 03:59.55 | mhall | Wyzard: but those are supposed to get made by the package |
| 04:00.09 | mhall | Wyzard: so if purging and reinstalling made them come back, i doubt it's busted |
| 04:00.16 | [TechGuy] | weird... I don't see it reported anywhere, but for a long while in pam-ldap, I've been getting this pthread GLIBC_PRIVATE message. |
| 04:00.36 | Wyzard | mhall: Well, they were there before, and I upgraded from 0.98-2 to 0.100-1 and rebooted, and they were gone and udev didn't run |
| 04:00.46 | mhall | [TechGuy]: ok, probably means somebody tried to pass a thread local value to the wrong place, but that's a guess |
| 04:00.59 | mhall | [TechGuy]: i deliberately avoid thread local storage because it's retarded |
| 04:01.16 | mhall | [TechGuy]: and i don't like riding the short bus when i'm making code with fuckin threads in it |
| 04:01.32 | mhall | [TechGuy]: if i felt like riding the short bus i'd just use fork to do it |
| 04:01.37 | mhall | cause it's a shitload safer |
| 04:01.46 | [TechGuy] | mhall: Yeah. It's a PAM thing. Trying to open pam_ldap. Must be during init, because the module works fine. It just tosses cookies in syslog every chance it gets |
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| 04:02.28 | mhall | [TechGuy]: hmm might zcat and grep to see if you can catch it with its pants down |
| 04:02.49 | mhall | [TechGuy]: otherwise it's a tad tough to troubleshoot |
| 04:03.01 | [TechGuy] | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3649 |
| 04:03.10 | [TechGuy] | mhall: It has suspenders. ;) |
| 04:03.29 | mhall | [TechGuy]: ahh this is a different deal |
| 04:03.41 | [TechGuy] | happens once a minute |
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| 04:04.19 | mhall | [TechGuy]: it means that you have got library code which is dynamically loaded into a running app |
| 04:04.34 | mhall | [TechGuy]: and there is some kind of compiler version or compilation flag mismatch |
| 04:04.37 | [TechGuy] | *grumble* |
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| 04:05.01 | [TechGuy] | Haven't even recompiled it at all. This is out of the stock etch apt repository |
| 04:05.14 | [TechGuy] | doesn't actually affect usage. It's just damn annoying. ;) |
| 04:05.40 | mhall | [TechGuy]: probably, it goes away if you recompile, but first try reportbug and when it lists the open bugs on the package you can type f to search them for strings |
| 04:05.52 | mhall | [TechGuy]: i'd try searching for dlopen, dlerror, and GLIBC_PRIVATE |
| 04:06.04 | micky | could anyone tell me the name of the package for the tool (with ncurses frontend) used for making kernel modules / kernel recompilations ? |
| 04:06.05 | mhall | [TechGuy]: i'm fairly sure some sysadmin has had to have had this come up |
| 04:06.10 | mhall | [TechGuy]: i mean people need ldap |
| 04:06.14 | karsten | micky: make-kpkg |
| 04:06.17 | [TechGuy] | indeed |
| 04:06.40 | streuner_ | karsten: ncurses-frontend? |
| 04:06.46 | micky | karsten make-kpkg has an ncurses frontend ? |
| 04:07.08 | micky | karsten i mean a frontend like baseconfig or make menuconfig... |
| 04:07.08 | karsten | micky: Um. Wups. No ;-) |
| 04:07.27 | micky | i've seen it a couple of days ago.. but i forgot it`s name |
| 04:08.24 | administrator | mhall: i think i might have to download a copy of debian and vmware it |
| 04:08.37 | pickcoder | mhall: people need LDAP? |
| 04:09.14 | administrator | pickcoder: like Active directory |
| 04:09.23 | administrator | Directory* |
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| 04:09.35 | mhall | administrator: yeah that's a good thing to try |
| 04:09.52 | mhall | pickcoder: sure, it's the industry standard for multiplatform cross-authentication |
| 04:10.01 | mhall | pickcoder: what the hell else could you use that'd be better |
| 04:10.17 | karsten | micky: I think if you're talking about make menuconfig, it's libncurses-dev |
| 04:10.21 | mhall | pickcoder: i mean NIS+ is good if you have all unix, sure, but that doesn't help much with non-unix |
| 04:10.54 | [TechGuy] | Well heck I'm on a roll... Darn amavisd-new is still sending back DSN bounces to spam addresses, even when I have the threshold set to a really negative number |
| 04:11.21 | micky | karsten i'm looking for the utility i can use to make kernel modules out of kernel-modules packages withouth needing the whole kernel source... |
| 04:11.56 | karsten | micky: module-assistant? |
| 04:12.09 | micky | karsten yeahh thanks |
| 04:12.09 | wooya510 | I configurated LDAP+SSL+APACHE2 |
| 04:12.16 | mhall | micky: you need the kernel headers package for that version of the kernel |
| 04:12.17 | wooya510 | https access is good |
| 04:12.24 | pickcoder | micky: make sure you have GCC 4.0 if you use module-assistant |
| 04:12.28 | wooya510 | apache auth using .htaccess is fail |
| 04:12.41 | micky | pickcoder and if i built the kernel with 3.3 ? |
| 04:12.43 | mhall | wooya510: i agree with the conclusion in most complex cases |
| 04:12.58 | mhall | wooya510: but sometimes for small stuff htaccess is good and simple |
| 04:13.17 | pickcoder | micky: what distro release are you using? |
| 04:13.44 | wooya510 | mhall: Can I pick your brain? |
| 04:14.34 | micky | pickcoder debian sarge 3.1 - 2.4.27-2-386 (that was the initial one and i've upgraded to 2.4.27-3 + added highmem4gb support and recompiled) |
| 04:14.43 | pickcoder | micky: n/m |
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| 04:15.27 | micky | pickcoder n/m ? |
| 04:15.38 | pickcoder | micky: never mind |
| 04:15.43 | wooya510 | karsten: Can I pick your brain? |
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| 04:15.58 | mhall | wooya510: k |
| 04:16.01 | mhall | wooya510: just say it |
| 04:16.04 | karsten | wooya510: no, it's at the cleaners. |
| 04:16.13 | mhall | !tell wooya510 about ask |
| 04:16.23 | wooya510 | mhall: ok |
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| 04:16.42 | wooya510 | mhall: I configurated LDAP+SSL+APACHE2 |
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| 04:17.01 | mhall | wooya510: ... |
| 04:17.07 | wooya510 | mhall: I set apache2.conf |
| 04:17.12 | micky | pickcoder and i have the zaptel drivers compiled for the 2.4.27-2 version which do not work in 2.4.27-3 and i need to recompile them for 2.4.27-3.. so can i use module-assistant or do i need to do it manually ?? |
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| 04:17.25 | wooya510 | mhall: about LDAP settings |
| 04:17.30 | pickcoder | micky: you should be fine. I thought you were on testing. |
| 04:17.45 | [TechGuy] | hrm, for a while I thought I got rid of the symbol error. Restarted cron. We'll see what happens |
| 04:17.54 | wooya510 | mhall: I edited .httaccess |
| 04:18.30 | wooya510 | mhall: In result, Apache Auth using LDAP failed |
| 04:19.00 | wooya510 | mhall: https access success. |
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| 04:19.29 | mhall | wooya510: ok did both ldap + htaccess have same acct. + pass. ? |
| 04:19.40 | mhall | wooya510: also better try apache chan, i'm kinda crappy with apache configs |
| 04:20.54 | pickcoder | wooya510: did you test the LDAP setup first? |
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| 04:22.25 | [TechGuy] | damn cron restart. That's all it was. Must've been after a libc6 upgrade or something |
| 04:23.09 | fando | mhall, ok that makes sense, thanks |
| 04:23.18 | streuner_ | fando: show us your sources.list too |
| 04:23.23 | fando | ok posting |
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| 04:23.48 | mrec | does anyone know how I can write a printer driver? |
| 04:24.24 | pickcoder | mrec: try cups.org? |
| 04:24.38 | mrec | not sure it would be a usb printer... |
| 04:24.49 | mrec | there's a driver in the kernel I'll have a look at that one |
| 04:24.56 | pickcoder | mrec: it's still a printer, even if it's on the network |
| 04:25.28 | pickcoder | mrec: http://www.cups.org/ddk/index.php |
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| 04:25.44 | mrec | it's just a matter of what interface I should provide |
| 04:26.21 | mrec | ok I'll bookmark that one |
| 04:26.30 | wooya510 | pickcoder: LDAP settings is good, https access is good too |
| 04:26.31 | mrec | USB Printer Device Class driver for USB printers and printer cables |
| 04:26.31 | mrec | this one looks fine usblp.c |
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| 04:30.40 | Max_- | anyone here ever worked with SilverRun???? |
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| 04:32.03 | micky | if i recompile kernel-source-2.4.27 will the modules built from kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 work ? |
| 04:32.22 | pickcoder | wooya510: if you have no problems with ldapsearch, then that's outta my area. I've only setup LDAP with GForge. |
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| 04:32.47 | micky | all i need is a 2.4.27-2 with highmem support enabled.... |
| 04:33.08 | micky | and modules already build to function |
| 04:33.47 | wooya510 | pickcoder: The directive "AuthLDAPBindPassword" inapache2.conf and .htaccess is LDAP admin password |
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| 04:34.03 | pickcoder | micky: run modinfo on the module(s) in question and see what kernel version is stored in them. the version has to match the kernel you are going to boot. |
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| 04:34.35 | wooya510 | pickcoder: encrypted password with MD5 |
| 04:34.38 | micky | pickcoder so if it`s 2.4.27-2 i have to recompile with a micro version -2 right ? |
| 04:35.23 | wooya510 | mhall: The directive "AuthLDAPBindPassword" inapache2.conf and .htaccess is LDAP admin password |
| 04:35.48 | pickcoder | micky: I'd have to say yes, based on problems I've had. You can always setup that kernel as a new entry in grub and test it. |
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| 04:39.48 | pickcoder | wooya510: did you also bind to the DN you want to search in? |
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| 04:40.50 | wooya510 | pickcoder: sure |
| 04:41.03 | pickcoder | wooya510: AuthLDAPBindDN <dn> |
| 04:41.23 | wooya510 | pickcoder: Of course |
| 04:41.34 | wooya510 | pickcoder: done |
| 04:42.14 | pickcoder | wooya510: are you specifying auth by file directory .htaccess or by <Directory> block? |
| 04:42.24 | pickcoder | wooya510: you should use one or the other |
| 04:43.19 | wooya510 | pickcoder: I used in the both |
| 04:43.48 | pickcoder | wooya510: try moving your .htaccess to another filename temporarily |
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| 04:44.08 | wooya510 | pickcoder: AuthLDAPBindPassword {MD5}UQMKOKomEAJAdJbravPX6w== |
| 04:44.19 | wooya510 | pickcoder: right? |
| 04:45.06 | wooya510 | pickcoder: I used encrypted password with MD5 |
| 04:45.29 | Daedalus_ | What's the current recommended partitioner for debian (say, etch?). Some web docs I found mention 'partman', but it doesn't seem to be in apt. |
| 04:45.40 | Daedalus_ | I'd rather not use fdisk. |
| 04:45.55 | tapple | Daedalus_: LVM is the best |
| 04:46.19 | pickcoder | wooya510: I'm not sure if MD5 will work in the config. I'm looking that up. |
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| 04:46.47 | tapple | Daedalus_: it is an automatic partitioner. Once you set it up, you never need to partition again |
| 04:46.53 | wooya510 | pickcoder: LDAP Admin Password is encrypted password with MD5 |
| 04:47.30 | tapple | Daedalus_: more to the point, I think that the System Rescue CD is the best way to partition |
| 04:47.54 | Daedalus_ | tapple: will lvm do "normal" partitions? ie: DOS-like paritions? I need to have this work the first time and not be lost in new fancy-dancy things. |
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| 04:48.10 | pickcoder | wooya510: it looks like AuthLDAPBindPassword is supposed to be plain text |
| 04:48.19 | tapple | Daedalus_: I recommend the System Rescue CD for that |
| 04:48.27 | Daedalus_ | *sigh* |
| 04:48.33 | tapple | Daedalus_: it has qtparted |
| 04:48.58 | jewel | Can I use the sarge netinst iso (3.1r2) to set up an installation of testing (by editing the sources.list to point to testing), or do I first have to install sarge and then upgrade to testing? |
| 04:49.00 | pickcoder | wooya510: not 100% sure though |
| 04:49.42 | tapple | Daedalus_: qtparted is imho the best partition editor |
| 04:49.51 | Daedalus_ | tapple: Alrighty. Thanks. |
| 04:50.22 | Daedalus_ | tapple: Is there no way to just install qtparted? |
| 04:51.38 | Daedalus_ | I'll look into lvm when I'm not trying to rescue a dying drive :) |
| 04:51.39 | wooya510 | pickcoder, http://pastebin.ca/163993 |
| 04:51.39 | pickcoder | wooya510: from what I've read, it looks like AuthLDAPBindPassword should be plain text, not MD5 |
| 04:51.45 | tapple | Daedalus_: I guess it is not in debian. However, I think it is best to do partitions from a live cd, rather than a hard-disk OS |
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| 04:52.34 | pickcoder | wooya510: try plain text password and restart Apache2 |
| 04:52.48 | wooya510 | pickcoder, .htaccess too? |
| 04:52.54 | Daedalus_ | *shrugs* The system HD is independent of the disks I'm working with, so it's not that big a deal, but I see your point. |
| 04:53.05 | tapple | Daedalus_: I always use the System Rescue CD to do partitioning and that sort of stuff |
| 04:53.21 | pickcoder | wooya510: use .htaccess _or_ <Directory> auth |
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| 04:54.56 | wooya510 | pickcoder, So, Does not need .httaccess file ? |
| 04:55.33 | pickcoder | wooya510: I don't remember which one overrides the other, but you aren't supposed to use both. |
| 04:55.41 | mhall | tapple: i do it on the running system it autopilot without looking at the fdisk output |
| 04:55.47 | mhall | tapple: and i'm not even trolling |
| 04:56.04 | mhall | tapple: i set up my 5-drive raid incl. mkfs and mount in less than 2 min. |
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| 04:56.14 | pickcoder | wooya510: as in #apache if you want more accurate information |
| 04:56.18 | pickcoder | s/as/ask |
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| 04:57.00 | tapple | mhall: what is autopilot? |
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| 04:57.13 | mhall | tapple: like, when an airplane flies itself, and you don't do it |
| 04:57.24 | mhall | tapple: i do it by reflex without stopping to think or read the output |
| 04:57.34 | wooya510 | pickcoder, But For testing, I access with https:// |
| 04:57.41 | pickcoder | If I remember correctly, .htaccess should only be used if you can't change the main server config |
| 04:58.24 | pickcoder | wooya510: SSL has nothing to do with Auth |
| 04:58.36 | tapple | mhall: I don't think that applies to Daedalus_'s question about the best non-fdisk partitioner |
| 05:00.29 | tapple | Daedalus_: it appears that qtparted is in unstable, if you are interested |
| 05:00.48 | Daedalus_ | tapple: thanks. I appreciate it. |
| 05:00.52 | mhall | tapple: just telling you that some people are less paranoid about partitions than you |
| 05:01.24 | tapple | mhall: why do you think I am paranoid? |
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| 05:02.23 | mhall | tapple: you said live CD like ten times ;-) |
| 05:02.33 | wooya510 | pickcoder, Can you see this link: http://pastebin.ca/163999 |
| 05:02.38 | tapple | mhall: I only have one hard disk in my computer, and it is not easy to move your root partition while it is mounted. |
| 05:03.19 | tapple | mhall: I have LVM instead. |
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| 05:04.10 | pickcoder | wooya510: don't use .htaccess - delete the file or move it to a different filename for testing |
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| 05:05.01 | pickcoder | wooya510: also, you should review the mod_auth_ldap directives for <Directory> |
| 05:05.18 | tapple | mhall: LVM + reiser3 is a good combo, since reiser3 supports on-line resizing |
| 05:05.20 | pickcoder | wooya510: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_auth_ldap.html |
| 05:06.31 | pickcoder | wooya510: some of the directives you have in the if_module block are meant for <Directory> |
| 05:06.41 | mhall | tapple: yeah but it also supports online rewriting: it turns your data into zeros |
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| 05:07.03 | tapple | mhall: what good would an unwritable file system be? |
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| 05:07.12 | stylesen | Hi.. I would like to know how to configure wireless card in Debian sarge, I have a nx6110 laptop |
| 05:07.16 | wooya510 | pickcoder, I saw this webpage ago |
| 05:07.40 | wooya510 | pickcoder, my apache2.conf is not accruate? |
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| 05:07.52 | pickcoder | wooya510: no |
| 05:08.14 | tapple | mhall: as long as you do not do cat /dev/zeros > /dev/hda, any file system should be fine |
| 05:08.14 | pickcoder | wooya510: you can't bind in a module block, for example. Each bind is directory specific. |
| 05:08.22 | mhall | tapple: ya, in theory |
| 05:08.36 | pickcoder | wooya510: the apache page states where each directive is allowable |
| 05:08.44 | mhall | tapple: but you are a very serious type, so my joke was not funny, so i give up on it |
| 05:08.54 | mhall | there's not a point if i have to Explain The Joke (TM) |
| 05:09.03 | tapple | mhall: I have not had a problem... yet |
| 05:09.16 | mhall | meh |
| 05:09.19 | mhall | time to go |
| 05:09.48 | pickcoder | wooya510: someone in #apache may be happy to re-write it for you. I'm not familiar enough with that module to do that. |
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| 05:11.28 | sid | How do I query dpkg for the maintainer of a certain pacakage? |
| 05:11.51 | sussudio | !maint |
| 05:13.43 | wooya510 | pickcoder, thanks for your help :) |
| 05:14.11 | omry | running vnc server, for some reason is starts with a blank desktop for my user. any idea what it can be (it works fine for a test user) |
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| 05:15.57 | pickcoder | wooya510: good luck |
| 05:16.06 | micky | omry blank == black wich changes at some point or just stays that way? |
| 05:16.18 | omry | micky, stays that way |
| 05:16.21 | omry | no dekstop |
| 05:16.31 | omry | empty X display. |
| 05:16.44 | pickcoder | cheers! |
| 05:16.46 | micky | omry what vnc software do you use ? |
| 05:16.51 | micky | omry realvnc ? |
| 05:17.20 | omry | micky, yes |
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| 05:18.18 | omry | must be some stale files hanging around, but I didn't find them |
| 05:18.54 | micky | omry is the client in the same network with the server ? or over the internet? |
| 05:19.03 | omry | micky, same network |
| 05:19.24 | omry | micky, I started a vnc server as a test user, and used the same client to connect and it worked (with a desktop) |
| 05:20.33 | micky | omry it only happens to me when the server / client is over the internet and has too slow (2-3k/s) internet connection.. |
| 05:20.52 | omry | micky, not the case here. |
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| 05:25.50 | omry | aha, got something: |
| 05:25.59 | omry | when I start vncserver, I get: X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
| 05:26.08 | omry | micky, I think that's the cause |
| 05:26.50 | micky | omry seems that way |
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| 05:27.09 | omry | micky, any idea how I fix it? |
| 05:27.40 | micky | but don`t count on me :)... i havent slept in 3 days.. and coffee seems to have no effect now. |
| 05:28.15 | micky | i'm waiting on my 4th kernel recompilation in the last 5 hours ... :| |
| 05:28.44 | omry | micky, ah. go get some sleep! |
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| 05:29.59 | micky | omry can`t .. my dedline is too close for sleeping . |
| 05:30.19 | omry | micky, sucks.. gooduck |
| 05:30.35 | micky | omry thanks |
| 05:30.59 | omry | micky, found it. I moved ICEauthority out of the way |
| 05:31.02 | omry | and it works now |
| 05:31.12 | omry | I must learn about all those authority files one day |
| 05:31.29 | micky | hehe |
| 05:31.31 | wooya510 | When configurate LDAP+SSL+APACHE2, .htaccess files isn't need? |
| 05:32.01 | micky | wooya510 #apache rings any bell ? :) |
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| 05:34.15 | wooya510 | micky, until now, I can't get the reponse. |
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| 05:35.03 | micky | wooya510 i have absolutley no idea what ldap does. |
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| 05:37.11 | karsten | tapple: actually, you can reloc your root partition using pivot-root |
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| 05:39.41 | karsten | tapple: er, pivot_root. |
| 05:40.52 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:40.52 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:40.55 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 05:40.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd167 is <dooglus> asg: the biggest package is linux-image-2.6.16-1-686. I don't do any image processing, so I think it's probably safe to remove that one. <asg> dooglus: that's the kernel |
| 05:41.05 | tarzeau | hahaha |
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| 05:43.16 | stylesen | Hi I want to configure wireless in my Debian Sarge box. I have a nx6110 laptop with Braodcom BCM4401-B0 wireless device |
| 05:43.31 | stylesen | Can anyone help me with some pointers? |
| 05:43.37 | karsten | stylesen: Buy a real wifi device. |
| 05:43.46 | karsten | !broadcom |
| 05:43.46 | dpkg | somebody said broadcom was a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see broadcom woody, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux |
| 05:44.30 | karsten | stylesen: madwifi _may_ offer you some help, but I'd be surprised. |
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| 05:45.00 | karsten | !madwifi |
| 05:45.00 | dpkg | [madwifi] for ATHEROS chipset wireless devices more information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or type "/join #madwifi" in your client now, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' see also madwifi.one.liner |
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| 05:47.17 | karsten | stylesen: May work. GIYF: http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mdek/contents/e1505/ |
| 05:47.20 | mzuverink | Could someone point me to a link that contains a list of repos for etch. Or maybe a source o matic, if something exists |
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| 05:47.37 | karsten | !apt-setup |
| 05:47.37 | dpkg | hmm... apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in testing/unstable since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
| 05:47.50 | tarzeau | !mirrors |
| 05:47.50 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 05:48.15 | mzuverink | Thankyou |
| 05:48.24 | stylesen | karsten: I ll give it a try... But the problem is I cant change my card because this lap was given in my office :( |
| 05:48.39 | karsten | stylesen: You're supposed to be running Linux on it? |
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| 05:49.10 | karsten | stylesen: What's the laptop? Dell Inspiron / Lattitude? |
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| 05:53.25 | Nopalin | hi |
| 05:53.55 | stylesen | karsten: HP nx6110, yeah I run FC4 for office use and Debian Sarge for all my stuff... Just yesterday I got a linksys wireless router and want to get connected to it thru wireless... |
| 05:54.09 | stylesen | karsten: I have my wireless working fine in FC4... |
| 05:54.42 | Nopalin | i had my HD configured as IDE controlle, today i updated my BIOS and configured my HD as SATA, now debian doesnt start, it shows me a kernel panic error, what can i do? |
| 05:54.42 | karsten | stylesen: Check your modules list under FC4 then. Same kernel, same modules should work w/ Debian. |
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| 05:55.09 | karsten | Nopalin: at your grub prompt, substitute either /dev/sda or /dev/hde for your /dev/hda root partition. |
| 05:55.26 | karsten | Nopalin: sda for 2.6 kernels, hde for 2.4 kernels. |
| 05:55.40 | karsten | Nopalin: Possibly others, but that's the most likely targets. |
| 05:55.56 | Nopalin | karsten: i've already do that, i changed in my device.map hd0 to /dev/sda, but it doesnt work |
| 05:56.09 | Nopalin | did* |
| 05:56.22 | karsten | Nopalin: What's happened is your root filesystem spec has changed because SATA does SCSI emulo. |
| 05:56.33 | karsten | Nopalin: Do you get a GRUB prompt or a kernel panic? |
| 05:56.45 | Nopalin | i get grub promp |
| 05:57.01 | Nopalin | then i choose kernel, then kernel panic is shown |
| 05:57.19 | karsten | Nopalin: OK, then device.map has nothing to do with it. |
| 05:57.41 | Nopalin | karsten, so what can i do? |
| 05:57.41 | karsten | Nopalin: It's your 'root=/dev/hda[nnn]' where [nnn] is some number likely 1, 2, or 3, which needs to be changed. |
| 05:57.52 | karsten | Nopalin: What's your current root filesystem? |
| 05:57.59 | Nopalin | ok, where do i change that? |
| 05:58.29 | Nopalin | it's hda2 |
| 05:58.30 | karsten | Nopalin: At your grub prompt. Hit any key to stop boot, select a boot stanza, 'e' to edit, modify the kernel line. |
| 05:58.35 | Nopalin | ok now i think is sda2 |
| 05:59.02 | karsten | Nopalin: OK. You'll have a line like: kernel/vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro |
| 05:59.30 | Nopalin | it's kernel/vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro |
| 05:59.32 | karsten | Nopalin: You'll get a readline / emacs style editor, change 'hda2' to 'sda2', <enter>, and 'b' to boot. |
| 05:59.45 | Nopalin | ahh ok |
| 05:59.47 | Nopalin | i got it |
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| 06:00.00 | karsten | Nopalin: That'll get you booted. Edit your /boot/grub/menu.list file after you've booted, run 'update-grub', and you should be set. Reboot to test. |
| 06:00.02 | Nopalin | ok, let me try, im on windows |
| 06:00.11 | karsten | !comfort Nopalin |
| 06:00.11 | dpkg | There, there, Nopalin. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:00.20 | Nopalin | thank you very much karsten |
| 06:00.24 | karsten | Nopalin: NP. |
| 06:00.29 | Nopalin | hahaha |
| 06:00.42 | Nopalin | i will be back for 2 reasons |
| 06:01.03 | Nopalin | ask you again, or please you |
| 06:01.03 | Nopalin | :s |
| 06:01.11 | Nopalin | oh i dont know how to say that in english |
| 06:01.34 | Nopalin | ok, brb |
| 06:02.22 | kristalino | hello. What is the best USB live distro with linux ? |
| 06:02.27 | nocti | hello, how do i update a non-connected debian box? thanks |
| 06:02.36 | karsten | nocti: apt-zip |
| 06:02.54 | karsten | kristalino: Try looking at Linux Weekly News's Linux distros list. |
| 06:03.05 | nocti | kristalino: best for what purpose? desktop? security? |
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| 06:03.33 | kristalino | nocti, desktop |
| 06:03.35 | nocti | karsten: i just have a xp at the office, and a debian box at home |
| 06:03.49 | nocti | karsten: http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php |
| 06:03.57 | nocti | oops |
| 06:04.04 | nocti | kristalino: http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php |
| 06:05.16 | karsten | kristalino: http://lwn.net/Distributions/ |
| 06:05.37 | kristalino | nocti, yeap, but no mention if they are USB or not |
| 06:06.02 | jetscreamer | try kanotix.com kristalino .. or #kanotix |
| 06:06.12 | jetscreamer | it's tight, but not sure about the usb.. |
| 06:06.14 | jetscreamer | think so |
| 06:06.27 | kristalino | karsten, yeap, found this link thanks, but any information about USB too |
| 06:06.29 | karsten | kristalino: I think DSL can be USB-booted. |
| 06:06.53 | kristalino | jetscreamer, i'll look at it, yep. |
| 06:07.07 | kristalino | karsten, i'll try it ok. |
| 06:07.26 | nocti | kristalino: sort by size, find out which fits your usb, try each one |
| 06:07.28 | karsten | kristalino: Yep: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 06:07.34 | karsten | Boot from a USB pen drive |
| 06:08.47 | kristalino | karsten, yeap, but afaik and iirc, this usb pen drive is sell, can't download it |
| 06:08.49 | karsten | nocti: ... and you want to be able to update your Debian box using the XP box for downloads? apt-zip. |
| 06:08.56 | karsten | kristalino: Sorry? |
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| 06:09.14 | karsten | kristalino: DSL can be booted from any sufficiently large USB drive. ~150 MB AFAICT. |
| 06:09.16 | nocti | karsten: ok apt-zip tnx |
| 06:09.39 | kristalino | http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/usb.html |
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| 06:10.35 | karsten | kristalino: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/USB_Booting |
| 06:11.00 | karsten | kristalino: Yes, you can buy a preconfigured USB pendrive w/ DSL. YOu aren't limited to just that. |
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| 06:11.21 | karsten | kristalino: ... and 50 MB, not 150. |
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| 06:12.18 | nocti | kristalino, check frozentech, sort by size, try out which distro suits you fine |
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| 06:12.21 | Nopalin | hi again |
| 06:12.22 | karsten | kristalino: The USB installer is included on the LiveCD version. |
| 06:12.30 | karsten | Nopalin: Hola! |
| 06:12.32 | kristalino | yeap : "From within the DSL LiveCD main menu, it is possible to create either a USBZIP or a USBHDD formatted pendrive with DSL installed. Just choose the appropriate install method and follow the prompts." |
| 06:12.32 | Anndy | hello friends |
| 06:12.40 | Anndy | need help with postgres |
| 06:12.44 | karsten | Nopalin: gracia y de nada work fine here BTW ;-) |
| 06:12.52 | karsten | Anndy: Might ask at #postgresql FYI. |
| 06:12.55 | Nopalin | karsten: hola!, the error stills |
| 06:13.05 | Anndy | okai...thankz |
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| 06:13.20 | karsten | Nopalin: OK. Could you edit your grub prompt fine? |
| 06:13.27 | Nopalin | i can |
| 06:13.34 | kristalino | thanks, i'm trying dsl now, karsten |
| 06:13.39 | Nopalin | i press c key |
| 06:14.08 | karsten | Nopalin: Note that the grub shell lets you do tab competion, so you might be able to type "root=<tab>" and get a tab completion of possible root partitions. Though it *should* be /dev/sda2. |
| 06:14.17 | Nopalin | and go ro grub promp, i wrote kernel /boot/vmlinuz..... root=/dev/sda2 bit it still doesnt work |
| 06:14.35 | karsten | Nopalin: Hrm. Can you boot _any_ kernel? |
| 06:14.57 | Nopalin | ni i cant boot any |
| 06:15.07 | karsten | Nopalin: I'm thinking you may need to update your initrd to get the SATA drivers loaded. Might need to boot knoppix to rescue yourself. |
| 06:15.08 | Nopalin | i have only 2 |
| 06:15.26 | Nopalin | i have gnetoo LiveCD |
| 06:15.32 | karsten | OK. |
| 06:15.48 | Nopalin | if i do chroot i can do mkinitrd as normally as debian? |
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| 06:15.53 | karsten | Try booting that, chroot into your Debian installation, and run mkinitrd to update your initrd. |
| 06:16.26 | karsten | Nopalin: Since you're running chrooted from a different kernel you'll have to specify the outfile, root, and version. |
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| 06:16.46 | Nopalin | yes, only these 2 options? |
| 06:17.02 | Nopalin | if that doesn't work, what else can i do? |
| 06:17.06 | karsten | Nopalin: Best bet is to run that from /boot/ itself. And I think that's it. I don't run this manually much. |
| 06:17.10 | karsten | Nopalin: Pray ;-) |
| 06:17.14 | Nopalin | lol |
| 06:17.27 | Nopalin | ok,let me try |
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| 06:17.35 | karsten | Nopalin: It's just a matter of getting your system boot configuration sorted. Are you dual booting? |
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| 06:19.02 | nocti | karsten: do you have an updated repository file? i still need /etc/apt/sources.list to be able to use apt-zip |
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| 06:19.28 | karsten | nocti: One sec. |
| 06:19.39 | nocti | karsten: in other words, what are the urls of the debian repositories that i should add to sources.list. thanks |
| 06:20.10 | karsten | nocti: I think apt-zip bootstraps that for you, but it may take a few roundtrips. |
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| 06:21.11 | nocti | karsten: can you paste your sources.list somewhere so i can copy it? to run apt-zip i should have a repository list but the current repository list on my debian box is just the cd |
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| 06:21.43 | karsten | nocti: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3651 |
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| 06:22.01 | nocti | karsten: thanks! |
| 06:22.07 | karsten | nocti: You may want only one of those lines. I track all three releases, pin on testing. |
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| 06:22.17 | g333k | Hi |
| 06:22.35 | raj | how to kill the process which is running in background |
| 06:22.42 | g333k | have yo tried the gui of jigdo , is it still unstable? |
| 06:22.58 | karsten | raj: man kill |
| 06:23.06 | karsten | raj: Get it process's PID and kill it. |
| 06:23.20 | raj | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.22 | karsten | g333k: I'd recommend netinst over jigdo. |
| 06:23.30 | raj | -bash: kill: (29151) - No such process |
| 06:23.34 | karsten | raj: Mind: zombies aren't killable, they're already dead. |
| 06:23.54 | raj | it running karsten |
| 06:23.56 | karsten | raj: ... and/or that's the wrong PID, or it's the wrong machine. |
| 06:24.01 | g333k | karsten, it takes too much |
| 06:24.14 | raj | we run the command using nohup |
| 06:24.15 | karsten | g333k: Please post complete |
| 06:24.21 | karsten | g333k: thoughts. |
| 06:24.34 | g333k | karbas, post what? |
| 06:24.37 | karsten | raj: Not significant. |
| 06:25.01 | raj | nouup then command & |
| 06:25.12 | raj | karsten: |
| 06:25.28 | karsten | raj: nohup only means the process won't terminate when the controlling terminal quits, in theory. |
| 06:25.49 | raj | ya the process is still going on |
| 06:26.02 | raj | cp is working fine |
| 06:26.40 | karsten | raj: Note that processes in uninterruptable states can't be killed. What process, and what is it doing? |
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| 06:27.12 | raj | username 5312 0.0 0.0 5880 704 ? D 23:26 0:00 cp -R < path> |
| 06:27.19 | Nopalin | haha, god doesnt help me |
| 06:27.36 | karsten | Nopalin: Y el diablo? |
| 06:27.48 | Nopalin | neither |
| 06:27.56 | raj | karsten: username 5312 0.0 0.0 5880 704 ? D 23:26 0:00 cp -R < path> |
| 06:27.58 | Nopalin | i wrote the error |
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| 06:28.10 | karsten | raj: Defunct. |
| 06:28.50 | raj | karsten: Defunct what do u mean |
| 06:28.51 | karsten | raj: ... or rather, uninterruptable sleep. Usually IO. From 'ps' manpage, 'PROCESS STATE CODES' |
| 06:28.57 | nocti__ | karsten, so i just need the stable main contrib non-free? |
| 06:29.11 | karsten | raj: Unkillable, is what you need to know. Where is this copying from/to? May need to reboot to clear that. |
| 06:29.17 | dooglus | tarzeau: I hope people realise I was joking when I proclaimed that I didn't need linux-image, or any other image programs. |
| 06:29.30 | karsten | nocti__: Should be a good start. You're running sarge? |
| 06:29.36 | raj | no other way karsten: |
| 06:29.58 | nocti__ | karsten, yup just sarge at the moment |
| 06:30.05 | karsten | raj: Not unless you can unwedge the device in question. Which for the third time, you haven't revealed. Is this network or local storage? |
| 06:30.10 | karsten | nocti__: Should be good. |
| 06:31.26 | nocti__ | karsten, ok thanks man |
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| 06:32.20 | dooglus | I just booted into unstable, after updating it before going to sleep last night. X won't start, and I can't get on the net either. Is this a known problem with yesterday's updates? |
| 06:32.29 | nocti__ | karsten, how do i upgrade from 3.1r2 -? 3.1r3 |
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| 06:32.57 | Nopalin | karsten: here is the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/164034 |
| 06:33.01 | karsten | nocti__: aptitude update. |
| 06:33.08 | karsten | Nopalin: One sec. |
| 06:33.13 | Nopalin | of course |
| 06:33.32 | karsten | nocti__: the various point releases are just updated installs. You'll catch up by doing a system update using aptitude / apt-get. |
| 06:33.46 | ahewitt | hey does anyone here know if there are any PIM clients that run purely on a command line? Specifically one that has the ability to sync calander and tasks with a pocket pc? |
| 06:33.48 | wols_ | dooglus: "it won't start" is a vrey amibihous error message |
| 06:34.03 | karsten | Nopalin: Looks like pretty classic initrd issues. |
| 06:34.06 | wols_ | *ambigous |
| 06:34.07 | nocti__ | karsten, is that the same as apt-get update? |
| 06:34.21 | karsten | Nopalin: So you need to make an initrd and update your grub config to use it if it's not already. |
| 06:34.26 | karsten | !tell nocti__ about aptitude |
| 06:34.33 | karsten | nocti__: Pretty much. aptitude >> apt-get |
| 06:34.43 | e-type | ahewitt: I don't think there is one |
| 06:34.43 | Nopalin | karsten: when i try to do mkinitrd image, i have to mount proc.. mount -t proc none /proc is this the reason? |
| 06:34.59 | karsten | !tell Nopalin about initrd |
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| 06:35.12 | nocti__ | karsten, ok |
| 06:35.18 | karsten | Nopalin: Yes. Under the chroot, if I'm getting you right. |
| 06:35.30 | tapple | ahewitt: emacs probably has one |
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| 06:36.03 | karsten | Nopalin: ... and yes, that should help, though because you're doing an initrd for a different kernel than the one you have booted (the gentoo livecd *isn't* the kernel you want an initrd for) it really shouldn't matter. |
| 06:36.39 | karsten | ahewitt: lbdb possibly. There are commandline file transfer tools for palmos. |
| 06:36.47 | nocti__ | karsten, sorry for bugging you but, i should just edit my sources.list, run aptitude upate? even if i dont have net connection that would work? |
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| 06:36.51 | ahewitt | what about anything that can sync with a PDA and has usablitity for visually impaired people? |
| 06:36.59 | kintaro0e | hey guys.. what command will show me the list of installed package/software to my system, its versions and show if the package are updated or not? |
| 06:36.59 | karsten | nocti__: You're going to want to read the apt-zip instructions. |
| 06:37.19 | wols_ | kintaro0e: dpkg -l |
| 06:37.30 | nocti__ | karsten, ok :) |
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| 06:38.14 | karsten | nocti__: I think it may just work at the package (.deb) level. |
| 06:38.35 | Nopalin | karsten: when i chroot debian partition, i need to do anything else? i just do chroot debianPartition, |
| 06:38.50 | nocti__ | karsten, will try it out, thanks |
| 06:39.27 | karsten | nocti__: Looks as if there's an 'aptgetaction' which may allow for specifying the things that apt-get would do. |
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| 06:39.41 | karsten | nocti__: I'm also assuming you're going to need a POSIX / Linux environment under XP, likely Cygwin. |
| 06:39.59 | karsten | Nopalin: chroot /dev/sda2. |
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| 06:40.13 | nocti__ | karsten, can you do an ls -1 of your /var/lib/apt/lists/ in a pastebox? i think i need that |
| 06:40.14 | karsten | Nopalin: ... once there, mount any additional critical filesystems, eg: /boot, /usr. |
| 06:40.24 | karsten | Nopalin: ... and mount proc as you previously specified. |
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| 06:40.52 | nocti__ | karsten, yes cygwin for wget but im planning to turn the urls into an html with links so i can just use firefox dTa on it |
| 06:41.19 | Nopalin | karsten, let me try it again |
| 06:41.44 | karsten | nocti__: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3652 |
| 06:41.53 | tapple | ahewitt: emacspeak has a calendar; I don't know about PDA sync |
| 06:41.58 | nocti__ | karsten, thanks lots you're great |
| 06:42.05 | jetscreamer | cygwin just for wget? |
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| 06:42.10 | karsten | nocti__: That's what she said last night ... |
| 06:42.14 | karsten | nocti__: .... in my dreams. |
| 06:42.26 | karsten | jetscreamer: As good an excuse as any ;-) |
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| 06:42.35 | jetscreamer | there's a wget for windows |
| 06:43.11 | karsten | jetscreamer: IMO if you have a need for one 'Nix utility, there's likely others. I tend to put a pretty fat cygwin install on most 'Doze boxen I encounter. |
| 06:43.38 | nocti__ | karsten, im sure she means it :D |
| 06:43.38 | jetscreamer | there's dd.exe .. probably others. i'm not saying don't, just mentioning |
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| 06:43.45 | karsten | nocti__: Note that I've got a number of sources specified, including a few nonstandard ones. |
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| 06:44.03 | nocti__ | karsten, yep, i think i just need the binaries for the meantime |
| 06:44.12 | karsten | nocti__: ... so there's probably some stuff in there you can ignore. debian-multimedia, eg. |
| 06:44.40 | nocti__ | karsten, and security. what does debian-multimedia carry? |
| 06:44.43 | micky | any idea on how i can run a command as a specific user at boot ? |
| 06:44.44 | tapple | kintaro0e: to search installed packages, you can aptitude search ~i |
| 06:44.56 | karsten | nocti__: video codecs. |
| 06:45.02 | karsten | nocti__: mplayer / xine stuff. |
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| 06:45.15 | karsten | micky: man cron. '@boot' keyword. |
| 06:45.20 | nocti__ | karsten, ah, i need those :) |
| 06:45.22 | karsten | micky: er, man crontab. |
| 06:45.22 | wols_ | micky: make your own init.d script. use sudo to run the command as the user you want |
| 06:45.24 | ka9wgn | I installed a package (apt-get install amanda-server) and when I listed the files in it (dpkg-query -L amanda-server) it shows /usr/share/man/man1 but not any files within it ... anyone know why that happens? |
| 06:45.29 | karsten | !tell nocti__ about marillat |
| 06:46.09 | nocti__ | karsten, marillat looks nice |
| 06:46.13 | karsten | micky: man 5 crontab, @reboot. |
| 06:46.15 | ka9wgn | it also shows /usr/share/man/man8 and a number of man pages it added to it |
| 06:46.36 | nocti__ | ok im outa here, thanks karsten |
| 06:46.41 | karsten | nocti__: Later |
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| 06:47.59 | miro1 | Hi, i'm looking for a good web interface to manage dns (not webmin). |
| 06:48.08 | karsten | miro1: ssh |
| 06:48.16 | ka9wgn | so does anyone know why a package would add a directory that already exists and not add any files to it? |
| 06:48.33 | karsten | ka9wgn: Likely because all packages are supposed to include manpages? |
| 06:48.42 | wols_ | ka9wgn: to make sure the directory does exist. just in case |
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| 06:49.06 | ka9wgn | karsten: it added man pages to man8 ... not man1 |
| 06:49.14 | Spark | it seems that in testing, python depends on python-minimal, yet python-minimal conflicts with python |
| 06:49.17 | Spark | is that a bug? |
| 06:49.18 | ka9wgn | wols_: seems odd ... but ok |
| 06:49.19 | Spark | or am i reading the situation wrong |
| 06:49.22 | karsten | ... and possibly to remove it in the event that package is removed and no others use that path. |
| 06:49.32 | karsten | Spark: Updated sources? |
| 06:49.41 | karsten | Spark: ... and conflicts, or conflicts a prior version? |
| 06:49.58 | ka9wgn | wols_: it wouldn't need to do that for other man chapters? |
| 06:50.06 | Spark | ah, conflicts with a too low version |
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| 06:50.17 | karsten | Spark: Right. |
| 06:50.25 | Spark | im having problems upgrading it, dpkg is giving errors |
| 06:50.29 | Spark | so im trying to reinstall the previous one |
| 06:50.35 | karsten | ka9wgn: Might ask on #debian-devel at oftc. |
| 06:50.41 | Spark | its complaining about not having a python-policy document |
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| 06:51.23 | miro_ | Hi, im sorry for reasking i get discconected! im looking for a good web interface to manage DNS not webmin! |
| 06:51.44 | ka9wgn | karsten: I'm just trying to document how to do backups on various platforms ... I'll not really worry about it ... I was just curious |
| 06:51.44 | dooglus | wols_: I'm not sure it's ambiguous. "X won't start" has only one meaning in this context, doesn't it? |
| 06:51.48 | wols_ | miro_: ain't no such thing |
| 06:51.56 | Spark | so what are my options? I think an existing package is broken, but dependencies are forcing me to upgrade it, and the upgrade process fails |
| 06:52.10 | ka9wgn | miro_: a friend of mine likes one called "ispadmin" |
| 06:52.24 | ka9wgn | miro_: he says "it's not just for ISPs" |
| 06:52.32 | dooglus | wols_: the particular error in the logs which prevents X starting seems to be: (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 06:52.32 | miro_ | how about H-Sphere ? does it work with debian ?\ |
| 06:52.34 | wols_ | dooglus: X has logfiles with error messages. tasty little things. your net has some things to look into too. programs like ifconfig |
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| 06:52.51 | wols_ | dooglus: have you updated your kernel yesterday? |
| 06:52.55 | ka9wgn | miro_: mer personally, I don't like GUIs, so I didn't even ask him where it was ... you and google can figure it out |
| 06:53.07 | dooglus | wols_: I'm using a USB device for net access - so that's likely to be the same problem, a missing device I guess |
| 06:53.41 | ka9wgn | miro_: my best guess is just about anything works on debian |
| 06:53.46 | dooglus | wols_: I update every day. I don't think there was a kernel update since 2006-09-03 |
| 06:54.08 | miro_ | ka9wgn; tnx |
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| 06:54.31 | karsten | dooglus: *why* and *how* things don't start can be significant. |
| 06:54.33 | _bt | hello how can i stop the debian sshd from disconnecting me after a short idle time? |
| 06:54.40 | wols_ | devices only happen with kernels... To start I'd look into dmesg and syslog for any errors or missing usb things |
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| 06:54.59 | e-type | _bt: at what point? |
| 06:54.59 | karsten | _bt: Update your keepalive interval. Is this 5-10 minutes? |
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| 06:55.04 | dooglus | karsten: indeed. |
| 06:55.09 | ka9wgn | thanks guys ... be back again some day |
| 06:55.13 | wols_ | next, look into things like udev. but considering you are running sid, you should know this yourself already |
| 06:55.16 | dooglus | wols_: I'm wondering whether it was "2006-09-08 02:14:56 status installed udev 0.100-1" which broke things |
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| 06:55.31 | wols_ | likely |
| 06:55.37 | _bt | karsten: around 5 minutes. ive only got the session open for use as an ssh tunnel that i can bypass uni proxy with - can you advise me how to update the keepalive? |
| 06:55.49 | _bt | e-type ^^ |
| 06:56.03 | karsten | _bt: as part of your network config: echo 600 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_intvl |
| 06:56.09 | jetscreamer | what kernel |
| 06:56.12 | karsten | _bt: ... as root. Using a linksys router? |
| 06:56.14 | jetscreamer | dooglus: |
| 06:56.21 | dooglus | wols_: then I see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386500 - but that claims that even the gettys weren't started, whereas I was able to log in to a VC just fine. |
| 06:56.22 | tapple | kintaro0e: "aptitude search ~i" does what you want |
| 06:56.34 | jetscreamer | did anybody say modprobe mousedev and psmouse? |
| 06:56.37 | kintaro0e | tapple: ah..ok thanks |
| 06:56.43 | dooglus | jetscreamer: 2006-09-03 02:15:19 status installed linux-image-686 2.6.17+1 |
| 06:56.53 | _bt | done that karsten. will it take immediate effect? not sure if the router is linksys |
| 06:57.23 | karsten | _bt: Erm. Maybe 300 - 180 would be more appropriate. It's keepalive in seconds, I think how often they're generated, not how long to time out. |
| 06:57.26 | dooglus | jetscreamer: both the touchpad and the USB net device broke in the same update - so I think udev is more likely a cause than mousedev/psmouse |
| 06:57.30 | karsten | _bt: Yes, immediate effect. |
| 06:57.43 | karsten | jetscreamer: modprobe mousdev ;-) |
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| 06:57.51 | _bt | im in .cn , everything is very slow and censored, so im using one of my boxes in .si to tunnel through securely , not sure what equipment either box uses |
| 06:58.12 | jetscreamer | load modules perhaps.. try modconf |
| 06:58.17 | jetscreamer | usb modules |
| 06:58.22 | _bt | karsten, so you would say 300 is optimum? |
| 06:58.23 | jetscreamer | whatever |
| 06:58.53 | _bt | also karsten, i dont think its related to network problems, if i run a big apt-get update then it doesnt time out because it's recieving data |
| 06:59.04 | karsten | _bt: Trying to sort that out. Seems default is now 75. I'm not sure if that's a timre for how often keepalives are *sent* or *checked* for. |
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| 06:59.12 | dooglus | jetscreamer: the thing is, I'm not booted into sid now, 'cos sid's network doesn't work |
| 06:59.14 | _bt | i understand |
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| 06:59.38 | wols_ | dooglus: there are these funny things called "logs". you have those, right? |
| 06:59.47 | jetscreamer | lsmod > somefilename |
| 06:59.49 | dooglus | wols_: yes. what would you like from them? |
| 07:00.08 | wols_ | I doN#t want anything. YOU should look at them for your usb problem |
| 07:00.16 | wols_ | missing usb drivers, error messages, etc |
| 07:00.35 | karsten | _bt: Found a really good /proc howto ... with a bunch of "todos" for the interesting ipv4 stuff... |
| 07:00.38 | _bt | i thought i would check in here first, i had an idea to make a small perl script that just sends things every second to keep it alive, like a rotating line | / - \ | / - \ |
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| 07:01.04 | dooglus | wols_: checking the logs is the first thing I did. It didn't help me, or I wouldn't be asking for help here... |
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| 07:01.06 | _bt | cool link me :) |
| 07:01.18 | karsten | _bt: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/pvcsensa/v1r1m0/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.rfid.doc/Troubleshooting/tuning-reconnect.html |
| 07:01.22 | jetscreamer | !modconf |
| 07:01.22 | dpkg | somebody said modconf was a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules |
| 07:01.28 | _bt | you think its definately net related rather than bash / sshd idle timeout ? |
| 07:01.47 | karsten | tcp_keepalive_time is how long the reader waits (in seconds) on an inactive connection before trying to ping the Edge Controller. tcp_keepalive_probes is how many times the reader tries to ping the Edge Controller to see if it is still there. tcp_keepalive_intvl is the amount of time (in seconds) between pings. |
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| 07:02.58 | karsten | _bt: On which basis, I think you want to set the tcp_keepalive_time value to ~300 - 600 seconds. |
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| 07:03.24 | karsten | _bt: YMMV, flavor to taste |
| 07:03.31 | dooglus | _bt: did you see " ServerAliveInterval 30 |
| 07:03.44 | _bt | in sshd_config ? |
| 07:03.46 | dooglus | ... that setting in the .ssh/config file? |
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| 07:03.52 | dooglus | in the client config |
| 07:04.17 | _bt | im using windows putty as a client |
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| 07:05.29 | dooglus | _bt: ugh. |
| 07:05.36 | _bt | i know |
| 07:05.45 | dooglus | _bt: maybe putty has a similar option? some kind of 'keepalive' setting? |
| 07:05.55 | karsten | _bt: Ah. That would be a problem. Thought you were running Linux as a client. |
| 07:05.58 | _bt | i has that and its enabled, but no value is to be specified |
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| 07:06.05 | Guerin | putty does keepalive |
| 07:06.20 | tarzeau | dooglus: hehe of course :) |
| 07:06.22 | karsten | Yep, it does. |
| 07:06.27 | dooglus | _bt: did you see http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/0.56/htmldoc/Chapter4.html#S4.13.5 ? |
| 07:06.50 | karsten | http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/0.56/htmldoc/Chapter4.html#S4.13.5 |
| 07:06.53 | karsten | Heh. |
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| 07:07.39 | _bt | nice! |
| 07:07.50 | _bt | i saw the keepalive option but not the value box. doh! |
| 07:08.47 | _bt | erm, cabbages? |
| 07:09.18 | peterS | yes, but _how many_ cabbages? |
| 07:09.37 | karsten | peterS: Purple! |
| 07:10.01 | kintaro0e | tapple: i tried the aptitude search ~i and it doesnt show me if the package is updated or old |
| 07:10.02 | _bt | yes peters |
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| 07:11.00 | peterS | _bt: third base! |
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| 07:20.32 | lucia_ | who have a document of linux's security adventage? |
| 07:20.50 | lucia_ | i cannot searching it... |
| 07:21.00 | Guerin | lucia_: why debian |
| 07:21.10 | Guerin | !why debian |
| 07:21.10 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 07:21.35 | lucia_ | why debian? is that a document? |
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| 07:21.43 | lucia_ | thanks a lot :) |
| 07:22.05 | lucia_ | but... i want to linux, not debian :$ |
| 07:22.20 | Guerin | lucia_: ask ##lunix, then |
| 07:22.23 | karsten | lucia_: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Rants/spyware.html |
| 07:22.26 | Guerin | \##linux, too |
| 07:22.51 | karsten | lucia_: ... both for wht it says and a couple of references, notably Nick Petreley's and ESR's essays. |
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| 07:23.05 | lucia_ | thanks :) |
| 07:23.23 | lucia_ | Guerin, karbas : thx for your kindness :) |
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| 07:23.37 | sprink_ | does cd1 come with more drivers than the net install version? |
| 07:23.51 | Guerin | karsten: karma whore |
| 07:23.56 | Guerin | sprink_: no. |
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| 07:24.01 | sprink_ | Well thats weird |
| 07:24.09 | Guerin | sprink_: drivers are in the kernel; the kernel is the same on each. |
| 07:24.10 | karsten | Guerin: damned straight. |
| 07:24.19 | karsten | Guerin: Google "linux spyware" just for kicks. |
| 07:24.34 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:24.36 | sprink_ | Guerin. Debian sarge detects my cd drive.. Debian Eth doesn't |
| 07:24.37 | Guerin | google whore |
| 07:24.48 | Guerin | sprink_: sarge and etch are different |
| 07:24.52 | karsten | Guerin: I prefer to think of it as "pleasuring the engine" |
| 07:25.02 | karsten | Guerin: ... or "pleasuring the 'plex" |
| 07:25.15 | sprink_ | Guerin. eth has a newer kernel.. should have better hardware detection, not less, correct? |
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| 07:25.33 | Guerin | sprink_: should, but it's being tested for a reason. |
| 07:25.41 | karsten | Guerin: Now *I'm* not the one who went down on my motor. |
| 07:26.08 | sprink_ | Guerin. Well I just tested it and the hardware detection is worse than sarge. :( |
| 07:26.13 | Guerin | karsten: so you claim, but that's a non-falsifiable assertion at this point |
| 07:26.38 | karsten | Guerin: *lame* rejoinder. |
| 07:26.40 | Guerin | sprink_: worked for me. Suggest you file an installation report. |
| 07:26.50 | Guerin | karsten: my foot hurts |
| 07:27.05 | Guerin | karsten: pity me, for I am transcribing interviews |
| 07:27.35 | karsten | Guerin: What sort of interviews? |
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| 07:27.45 | karsten | Guerin: ... and we pity you in any regard. |
| 07:27.45 | eps | I seem to have a broken wine install...I'm trying to remove it completely and while remove and purge run through the binaries appear to stay in the list when I tab complete...though they don't really exist |
| 07:27.49 | eps | suggestions? |
| 07:27.54 | Guerin | karsten: about soap opera viewing habits |
| 07:27.57 | sprink_ | I dont understand how my cd-drive works enough to run the installation, but then it cant find my cd-drive during the detection stage |
| 07:28.03 | karsten | eps: 'hash -r' |
| 07:28.05 | Guerin | karsten: this is the life of a media postgrad |
| 07:29.04 | karsten | Guerin: I think the moment at which I became painfully aware that the average intelligence of the planet had been seriously overestimated by yours truly ... |
| 07:29.27 | karsten | ... was on arriving at University of California and overhearing a conversation between two other undergrads on the topic of ... |
| 07:29.32 | karsten | ... the Brady Bunch. |
| 07:29.33 | eps | what does hash -r do? (as I can't see any result) |
| 07:29.41 | Guerin | karsten: parse your can't sentence I |
| 07:29.48 | karsten | eps: It re-hashes your command hash search. |
| 07:29.52 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:29.56 | Guerin | lage have I |
| 07:30.04 | karsten | Guerin: lager? |
| 07:30.08 | Guerin | lag |
| 07:30.14 | eps | karsten it doesn't seem to do anything |
| 07:30.29 | karsten | eps: 'help hash' (from within bash) for what it does. |
| 07:30.55 | Guerin | hellstra sent a boss dude around to my place after i called them several times on the always-gets-picked-up-first-ring secret line which I extorted out of the tech who failed to install my cable |
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| 07:31.04 | Guerin | and they're hooking me up on tuesday |
| 07:31.22 | karsten | Guerin: For work or broadband? |
| 07:31.26 | Guerin | which coincidentally is the four-week anniversary of when I first called them to apply for service |
| 07:31.38 | Guerin | karsten: broadband. Herll if I want to work for hellstra. |
| 07:31.41 | eps | thanks karsten, I'll go play with it |
| 07:31.59 | karsten | Guerin: Ah. |
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| 07:32.46 | b0red | hi. do you know any socks5 program i can install? |
| 07:33.22 | karsten | b0red: ?? |
| 07:33.22 | Guerin | b0red: privoxy is socks, i think |
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| 07:33.31 | b0red | i want to be able to use my dedicated server as a proxy to surf the web on my local pc |
| 07:33.33 | b0red | Guerin, ok |
| 07:33.44 | karsten | b0red: apt-cache search socks5 |
| 07:33.46 | supreme | http://server2.dasarbeitslosenspiel.de/beg.php?id=5322 lol... exploiting some debian box hahahahaha thats hard... |
| 07:33.48 | supreme | ups |
| 07:34.34 | gypsymauro | there is a way with tar to exclude all folders that contains '.Spam' string? |
| 07:35.00 | karsten | gypsymauro: '--exclude=<pattern>' |
| 07:35.03 | sprink_ | supreme. translate that page to english for us |
| 07:35.23 | karsten | sprink_: Spam. |
| 07:35.44 | tuv | i want to use aptitude with both show and search commands. eg. search all installed non-debian-origin packages '~i!~Odebian' and show their origin. what would be the command? |
| 07:35.48 | sprink_ | Spam? why isn't it banned yet? |
| 07:35.54 | supreme | http://server2.dasarbeitslosenspiel.de/beg.php?id=5322 <-- NO spam! |
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| 07:37.56 | tapple | if I am running etch, do I need sarge in sources.list? |
| 07:38.32 | tuv | i can't seem to be able to use both the search and show commands of aptitude at the same time. the earlier considers the latter an argument rather than a subsequent command |
| 07:38.33 | sprink_ | no tapple. you'd probably etch in there |
| 07:38.59 | tapple | or are all sarge packages also in etch? |
| 07:39.08 | eps | no |
| 07:39.19 | fireba11 | tuv wth are you trying to do ? |
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| 07:39.43 | tuv | fireba11, search for packages and display the matches with additional fields |
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| 07:40.18 | fireba11 | tuv and why don't you jsut do one after the other like everone else ? |
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| 07:40.27 | eps | what addicitional fields? |
| 07:40.51 | eps | you can see what package is in what repo using some thing like aptitude show -t stable packagename |
| 07:41.01 | eps | and install things from other branches like that |
| 07:41.30 | tuv | fireba11, how do you mean? i don't want the matches to be displayed as a package name and desc. i want different fields. do i have to go though the matches one by one to get additional fields for them? |
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| 07:42.52 | eps | tuv really man...read the manual, it's all in there :| |
| 07:43.59 | tuv | eps, actually i want to see the Origin of all installed packages whose origin is not debian (unofficial). i figured the search pattern, but can't control how to display the origin field in the matches. i looked in the manual and the user manual few times before asking |
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| 07:44.11 | cydork | hey is there any tool to mirror a ftp site. I am using lftp atm. but will like to know if there is anything better. |
| 07:44.46 | blondie | rsync |
| 07:44.48 | dondelelcaro | cydork: the best is not to use ftp and use rsync instead |
| 07:44.49 | ivalladt | gnome's setting my desktop resolution at 1280x800 although in my xorg.conf the only resolution set in the screen section is 1280x1024, any ideas? |
| 07:44.53 | sepski | cydork, and it _only_ supports ftp ? id use rsync or rsync over ssh if that was possible |
| 07:45.14 | cydork | sepski: no, i have only ftp access :( |
| 07:45.16 | tuv | cydork, lftp is great man |
| 07:45.29 | blondie | nothing about ftp is great ;) |
| 07:45.34 | eps | tuv mmm...I would suggest (and I'm not sure if this is what you want) ... doing a wild card search based on maintainer...possibly in synaptic |
| 07:45.39 | tuv | dondelelcaro, lftp does not necessarily use ftp |
| 07:45.41 | liable | ivalladt: does xorg log mention anything about it? |
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| 07:45.58 | yage | Is there any way to allow "sudo" only from a console tty? |
| 07:46.09 | ivalladt | liable: let me check |
| 07:46.10 | eps | tuv no I can't work it out sorry :( |
| 07:46.12 | nopalin | ivalladt: you can change your gnome resolution from Desktop->Preferences->Screen REsolution |
| 07:46.22 | dondelelcaro | tuv: I didn't say anything about lftp... |
| 07:46.38 | cydork | tuv: lftp is definatly better than other potions i know. But is there anything better than that :P |
| 07:47.17 | ivalladt | nopalin: that's the point, that desklet lists resolutions there aren't in my xorg.conf... |
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| 07:47.32 | gomek | Does anyone know how to modify an existing metapackage or where I can find documentation on how to do it? |
| 07:47.42 | tuv | dondelelcaro, you said rsync is better than ftp and he didn't say he was using ftp except for lftp (well at least not at that point) |
| 07:47.42 | dondelelcaro | gomek: use equivs instead |
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| 07:47.55 | gomek | equivs? |
| 07:48.05 | gomek | I'm not familiar. |
| 07:48.07 | dondelelcaro | tuv: allow me to quote: "00:42:04 <cydork> hey is there any tool to mirror a ftp site." <-- see ftp? |
| 07:48.18 | ivalladt | liable: (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) |
| 07:48.24 | ivalladt | ivalladt: uhm... |
| 07:48.32 | cydork | dondelelcaro: i accept that rsync is great but i have only ftp access :( |
| 07:48.47 | dondelelcaro | cydork: yeah, in that case, lftp is the best that I know of |
| 07:49.04 | tuv | dondelelcaro, right.. i missed that part.. sorry :) |
| 07:49.09 | dondelelcaro | (at least, it's what I use to do that; wget can also do it, but I haven't tried recently) |
| 07:49.11 | liable | ivalladt: well.. theres a pointer for you :) |
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| 07:49.17 | ivalladt | liable: yes... :) |
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| 07:50.11 | tuv | so is there a way to control the fields show in search results in aptitude? |
| 07:50.14 | dondelelcaro | gomek: all a meta package is is a package which depends upon other packages. You can use equivs to create packages which depend upon other package (or provide other packages or are named other packages) rather trivially |
| 07:50.26 | tuv | *the fields shown |
| 07:50.31 | markedwards | hi, can anyone help with a specific amavisd-new/postfix question? |
| 07:50.33 | cydork | dondelelcaro: i have tried wget but found that lftp is much more scriptable .. |
| 07:50.35 | dondelelcaro | tuv: yes, that's the -F option |
| 07:51.12 | dondelelcaro | tuv: see the "installed" factoid for an example of this |
| 07:51.28 | tuv | dondelelcaro, thanks man |
| 07:51.35 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 07:51.51 | gomek | dondecarlo Where can I find documentation on equivs? |
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| 07:52.15 | dondelelcaro | gomek: it's a package; it has it's own documentation |
| 07:52.29 | dondelelcaro | peterS is the maintainer of it |
| 07:52.41 | gomek | dondelelcaro Thanks, I'll look it up. ^_^ |
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| 07:55.09 | tuv | dondelelcaro, hmm.. there is no 'origin' in the variables -F can print |
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| 07:55.56 | dondelelcaro | tuv: you mean as in where the package would be downloaded from? |
| 07:56.05 | dondelelcaro | (or could be downloaded from?) |
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| 07:56.54 | gomek | dondelelcaro Do you know if it is possible for metapackages to contain maintainer scripts? |
| 07:57.09 | tuv | dondelelcaro, i guess. i'm doing a search for packages whose origin is not debian (suggested in the user manual) and would like to know what their origins are? |
| 07:57.15 | dondelelcaro | gomek: yes, but they kind of stop being true metapackages then |
| 07:57.45 | dondelelcaro | tuv: you probably mean packages which are no longer installable |
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| 07:58.16 | tuv | dondelelcaro, no. when i do the search i get packages including those from debian-multimedia |
| 07:58.19 | gomek | dondelelcaro Ah, haha. I don't know what else to call them since it doesn't have any source code. =) I'm new to this, so please forgive me. |
| 07:58.20 | tuv | .org |
| 07:59.26 | tuv | dondelelcaro, the search looks for package whose origin is not debian, not those with no origin at all |
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| 07:59.42 | dondelelcaro | tuv: try !~O^debian$ |
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| 08:00.19 | dondelelcaro | tuv: but that assumes the origin was set in the release file, which isn't always the case |
| 08:00.20 | tuv | dondelelcaro, the search succeeds. only i want to see the matches' actual origins. thus -F |
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| 08:00.48 | tuv | dondelelcaro, but -F doesn't have a designator for origin :( |
| 08:01.06 | tuv | dondelelcaro, at least according to the table here: file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04s01.html#secDisplayFormat |
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| 08:01.36 | tuv | dondelelcaro, (from the aptitude-doc-en package) |
| 08:03.22 | dondelelcaro | tuv: if you want to know that, pipe it to apt-cache policy |
| 08:03.32 | dondelelcaro | (or rather, xargs it to it, but you get the idea.) |
| 08:03.52 | itc | ok, I have to buy a raid device... well is raid 0+1 better than raid 10 ? |
| 08:03.56 | tuv | dondelelcaro, yeah.. i was hoping aptitude can do it on its own |
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| 08:04.49 | tuv | itc, probably cheaper ;) |
| 08:05.04 | itc | not really is almoust 600$ |
| 08:05.08 | itc | for a 4port ... |
| 08:05.09 | itc | arc |
| 08:05.36 | tuv | itc, if it's ide/sata, you can find a cheaper one |
| 08:06.12 | itc | sata2, raptors |
| 08:06.27 | itc | i just need to know if raid 0+1 would be ok |
| 08:07.04 | berzerka | i need the cvs version of a library (gstreamer). how do i properly integrate this into debian package handling? |
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| 08:07.12 | tuv | itc, i don't know what raid 10 exactly is, but i bet 0+1 will require more disks for the same space |
| 08:07.30 | itc | don't need space, need4speed |
| 08:07.52 | dondelelcaro | tuv: file a wishlist bug for it... it probably should support %O in the -F options |
| 08:09.02 | tuv | dondelelcaro, well the -F flags aren't that nice. they are totally different than the search ones. e.g. name: ~n and %p !! |
| 08:09.33 | tuv | dondelelcaro, probably another wishlist bug ;) |
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| 08:10.13 | tuv | itc, install wine ;) |
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| 08:10.20 | itc | It is not as robust as RAID 10 and cannot tolerate two simultaneous disk failures, if not from the same stripe. That is, once a single disk fails, each of the mechanisms in the other stripe is single point of failure. Also, once the single failed mechanism is replaced, in order to rebuild its data all the disks in the array must participate in the rebuild. |
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| 08:11.37 | mcgreg | hi |
| 08:11.54 | mcgreg | does anyone have an idea when there will be xorg 7.1 available for debian? |
| 08:11.58 | mcgreg | through apt |
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| 08:12.19 | tuv | itc, well isn't a 0+1 array has a single point of failure too if a disk breaks? |
| 08:12.36 | tuv | itc, at least for some of the data |
| 08:12.58 | cydork | mcgreg: i think it's experimetal now. so should move to sid soon . |
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| 08:18.39 | berzerka | what is debian's preferred way to handle locally compiled packages, how to integrate them into apt? references? |
| 08:18.59 | tuv | berzerka, check out the checkinstll package |
| 08:19.31 | tuv | berzerka, but if you're building a library, take care of depends and provides |
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| 08:20.00 | berzerka | tuv, its a pretty basic library (gstreamer). i will have a look at it, thanks. |
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| 08:21.06 | cydork | berzerka: are you just compiling debian source? or something which is not there in debian? |
| 08:21.24 | berzerka | cydork, cvs version. |
| 08:22.23 | cydork | berzerka: so you have built a debian package? |
| 08:23.01 | berzerka | no i havent. |
| 08:23.31 | tuv | cydork, berzerka: that's where checkinstall comes in handy |
| 08:23.33 | berzerka | cydork, just (planning to) compile their cvs head branch, i don't think it will contain the debian-subdir for buildpkg |
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| 08:24.21 | cydork | berzerka: well it's preety complicated to build debian package, checkinstall might succeed sometimes but i dont trust it that much. |
| 08:25.48 | berzerka | cydork, that means it is not trivial to integrate development builds of packages with the debian package handling? |
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| 08:27.18 | cydork | berzerka: yep |
| 08:27.33 | berzerka | thats sad :( |
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| 08:28.58 | TTT | hi, um, was acrobat reader ever in debian non-free or contrib repository? or do I have to search for a repo in apt-get.org? |
| 08:29.11 | cydork | berzerka: wht you can do is to install your compiled package directly (which i wont recommend) or by stow. and then use equivs to fool apt. |
| 08:30.29 | sussudio | !tell TTT about search |
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| 08:37.38 | moebius | hi! |
| 08:38.17 | moebius | i'm getting this error when i start some applications and i don't know how to avoid it: Fontconfig error: "conf.d", line 1: no element found, anybody knows anything about? |
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| 08:41.07 | jaski | Hi there, I'm running a 2.6.8-3-686 kernel on an old 367MHz Celeron machine. How can I get my azt1022 sound card to generate sound under Linux? (It works as expected under win98.) |
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| 08:42.07 | cydork | jaski: hey sorry for yesterday man. |
| 08:42.10 | wols_ | jaski: if it is supported by ALSA: yes |
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| 08:42.32 | jaski | cydork: Hi, no problem :) |
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| 08:42.38 | cydork | jaski: but now you have new kernel have your tried /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 08:43.24 | jaski | wols: it gets detected at boot time. |
| 08:43.38 | jaski | cydork: I'll give it a try now ... |
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| 08:52.17 | jaski | cydork: dpkg said to do: "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" - now done, but still no sound. Suggestions please? |
| 08:52.32 | FinnTux | how well is intel 965 chipset currently supported? |
| 08:53.26 | FinnTux | friend of mine is about to buy Abit AB9 Pro mobo and we should install debian on it |
| 08:53.31 | cydork | jaski: what does alsamixer say? if it works then increse the volume there and try cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp as root |
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| 08:53.44 | karsten | FinnTux: Um. What sort of chip is that? Mobo? Sound? |
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| 08:54.53 | jonnylamb | jaski: have you tried running alsaconfig (as root)? i think this is the correct program name- i'm not on linux atm... |
| 08:54.54 | FinnTux | ICH8R chipset. dunno about LAN |
| 08:55.03 | karsten | FinnTux: Word on the street is that intel's recent nvidia / ati killers are very linux-friendly. |
| 08:55.22 | jaski | cydork: alsamixer said "function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" :-( |
| 08:55.52 | karsten | FinnTux: You tried getting 'em going, succeeding, failing, or what? See: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/070906-intel3d.html |
| 08:55.54 | FinnTux | karsten, ok. he is going to get E6300 and it's a bit difficult to find motherboard for it |
| 08:56.23 | karsten | FinnTux: Above article by Don Marti, apparently Intel's own drivers are open source. |
| 08:56.25 | FinnTux | karsten, he hasn't bought them yet. I'm going there today |
| 08:56.35 | wols_ | FinnTux: not well with 2.6.8. get an installer with a newer kernel |
| 08:56.54 | karsten | FinnTux: What wols_ said. This is really new kit, stick to recent kernels. |
| 08:56.56 | cydork | jaski: and alsaconf worked? try /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
| 08:57.03 | FinnTux | wols_, I'm just downloading one. thanks |
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| 08:57.32 | FinnTux | but core 2 itself is not going to be a problem, right? |
| 08:57.59 | karsten | FinnTux: Seems AMD are very popular in the server space right now due to power consumption, Intel's countering by balancing AMD's ATI aquisition by creating truly supported graphics for linux. |
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| 08:58.08 | shevek | I want to check the pgp version of a key from someone, but gpg doesn't seem to have an option to tell this. How is this done? |
| 08:58.28 | karsten | shevek: Sorry? |
| 08:58.29 | wols_ | FinnTux: no problem there |
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| 08:58.36 | karsten | shevek: Possibly you want pgpdump |
| 08:58.43 | shevek | karsten: I'll have a look, thanks |
| 08:58.48 | FinnTux | karsten, graphics is going to be nvidia low-end card (going to be used as mythtv box with TV) |
| 08:58.55 | karsten | shevek: What info specifically are you looking for/ |
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| 08:59.11 | shevek | "is the version lower than 4?" |
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| 08:59.44 | karsten | shevek: The version of what? The key itself/ |
| 08:59.47 | shevek | Yes |
| 08:59.49 | karsten | s,/,?, |
| 09:00.23 | row | Is there a way I can subscribe to bug reports but only for some packages? |
| 09:00.50 | row | ie if I only want to get emails about php/perl/apache/mysql/courier/postfix lets say? |
| 09:00.58 | karsten | row: You can request any bug info you want and/or d/l the bug archive in mbox format. |
| 09:01.03 | shevek | row: Yes, I think there's a web interface for that on the package's QA page |
| 09:01.05 | karsten | row: Add yourself to the bug. |
| 09:01.10 | karsten | !bts |
| 09:01.11 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 09:01.39 | jaski | cydork: aptitude only shows alsaconf as a virtual package. |
| 09:01.51 | row | karsten: I want to be on mailing list I mean |
| 09:02.01 | row | I apt-listbugs installed but would not mind emails. |
| 09:02.22 | shevek | row: That's what "add yourself to the bug" is supposed to take care of :-) |
| 09:02.29 | karsten | shevek: pgpdump should work for you. Eg: gpg --armor --export <keyid> | pgpdump | less |
| 09:02.38 | cydork | jaski: you need to install alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 09:02.39 | karsten | shevek: pgpdump should work for you. Eg: gpg --armor --export <keyid> | pgpdump | less |
| 09:02.44 | karsten | Sorry. |
| 09:02.49 | shevek | karsten: Thanks :-) |
| 09:02.50 | k31th | should ever user have there own group ? |
| 09:02.55 | row | shevek: k... |
| 09:03.06 | karsten | shevek: In the case of my own key: Ver 4 - new |
| 09:03.13 | karsten | shevek: ... line 2. |
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| 09:04.12 | karsten | shevek: updating's for wimps! |
| 09:04.24 | shevek | Well, you get 404s without it ;-) |
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| 09:05.38 | shevek | Well, that looks fine. :-) |
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| 09:05.51 | jaski | cydork: they're both installed. Do i need to uninstall alsa-oss and alsa-modules-2.4xxx? |
| 09:06.37 | triple5 | hi friends, I have a problem, apt-get update apt-get upgrade resulted in a loss of connectivity on my server.... |
| 09:07.10 | brianski | followed the instructions from /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 09:07.17 | cydork | jaski: you might want to install alsa-oss but no need for alsa-modules-2.4 |
| 09:07.18 | triple5 | oh, it is back again.. oof |
| 09:07.21 | brianski | but yet i still get: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated |
| 09:07.22 | brianski | ? |
| 09:07.31 | cydork | jaski: and are you using stock debian kernel? |
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| 09:08.22 | cydork | brianski: do you have any other repositories than official ones? |
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| 09:08.49 | brianski | wtf |
| 09:09.04 | brianski | i had a bum line in there |
| 09:09.09 | brianski | thanks |
| 09:09.13 | Skrot | Hi. I've got a machine with Debian and a LVM-setup (4 disks merged to one partition), if I want to reinstall Debian (or another distro), is it possible to remount the LVM-setup afterwards? |
| 09:09.24 | jaski | cydork: kernel came straight from aptitude last night |
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| 09:10.57 | gypsymauro | there is a way to navigate into a tape (created with tar) with mc? |
| 09:11.02 | cydork | jaski: do you see the ad18??? in lsmod? |
| 09:11.04 | triple5 | jaski, what is in your sources.list |
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| 09:12.44 | jaski | cydork: alsaconf (as root) asked if it should probe for ISA cards, but the drivers it offers seem irrelevant. |
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| 09:12.49 | evilmnky | gypsymauro: you can use tar itself to list the contents |
| 09:13.13 | jaski | cydork: ad18* missing from lsmod |
| 09:13.43 | cydork | jaski: can you try to modprobe it, i doubt it will work. Still no harm in trying |
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| 09:14.07 | gypsymauro | evilmnky: yes but is not so easy for ppl that doesn't knows tar so well |
| 09:14.17 | jaski | tripple5: where is sources.list? |
| 09:14.20 | evilmnky | gypsymauro: man tar ? |
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| 09:14.51 | evilmnky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:15.13 | evilmnky | it's in the top 2 lines |
| 09:15.13 | evilmnky | tar - The GNU version of the tar archiving utility |
| 09:15.13 | evilmnky | SYNOPSIS |
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| 09:15.18 | Hal9000 | -r-------- 1 root root 1016M Sep 8 11:14 kcore <- in /proc, what is this? |
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| 09:15.23 | cydork | jaski: it's in /etc/apt/ but if you dont know abt you then you havn't changed it. |
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| 09:16.08 | cydork | Hal9000: man proc |
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| 09:16.21 | dany | hello there : anyone tried to install etch beta 3 on amd64 ? aptitude seems corrupted on it |
| 09:16.31 | shevek | Hal9000: Your running kernel |
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| 09:16.46 | Braindead | ah here he is... |
| 09:16.57 | dany | I meat etch with beta3 install CD |
| 09:17.01 | Hal9000 | cydork: thanks hehe |
| 09:17.05 | Braindead | Hal9000: how did that "2.6 remote l33t kernel reboot" went? |
| 09:17.23 | cydork | Hal9000: np :) |
| 09:17.34 | Hal9000 | Braindead: oh i had other things to do, i am finishing config now |
| 09:17.44 | Hal9000 | will let you know soon ;) |
| 09:18.04 | Hal9000 | still need to find the RAID controller driver |
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| 09:19.23 | mike_etch | hello troops |
| 09:20.16 | jaski | cydork: modprobe said "FATAL: module ad1816a not found" (but it IS in /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/kernel/sound/isa/ad1816a) |
| 09:20.47 | shevek | jaski: Try insmod then. If that works, you should run depmod -a or something |
| 09:20.55 | infernix | how odd. I had ntp-simple running on a server, and its system time was 1 month and 2 hours off into the future. |
| 09:21.09 | infernix | the box has been up for a good 51 days |
| 09:21.17 | mike_etch | the kernel is a fossil |
| 09:21.18 | infernix | isn't ntp supposed to correct that? |
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| 09:21.35 | shevek | infernix: I think it only corrects it if it isn't too far off |
| 09:21.51 | shevek | To avoid "correcting" something which isn't wrong |
| 09:22.00 | infernix | hrm. i guess i didnt ntpdate it at installation time then:) |
| 09:22.52 | cydork | jaski: what does uname -r say? |
| 09:23.04 | cydork | !tell shevek about insmod |
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| 09:23.54 | shevek | cydork: In this case it could give a hint about why modprobe didn't find it ;-) |
| 09:24.39 | jaski | cydork: 2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 09:28.52 | cydork | jaski: hmm that is weird.. |
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| 09:30.03 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:30.03 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:30.15 | jaski | shevek: insmod ad1816a just says "can't read 'ada816a'. No such file or directory." So I tried the full path: "insmod /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/kernel/sound/isa/ad1816a/snd-ad1816a.ko" which gave 3 unknown symbols: snd-ad1816a_{mixer,pcm,create} and finished with "-1 Unknown symbol in module" |
| 09:31.16 | cydork | !insmod |
| 09:31.16 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 09:31.18 | cydork | jaski: ^^ |
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| 09:34.42 | jaski | cydork: modprobe just says "module ad1816a not found" |
| 09:35.29 | cydork | jaski: do depmod and try modprobe again |
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| 09:36.35 | moebius | i'm getting this error when running fc-cache and other applications: Fontconfig error: "conf.d", line 1: no element found |
| 09:36.43 | moebius | how can I avoid it? |
| 09:37.04 | jaski | cydork: ad1816a still not found :-( |
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| 09:39.58 | moebius | i pasted the strace result there: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3653 |
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| 09:40.10 | cydork | jaski: modprobe snd-ad1816a |
| 09:40.31 | moebius | it seems fc-cache looks at /etc/fonts/conf.d expecting a file but it is a directory |
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| 09:44.17 | jaski | cydork: modprobe snd-ad1816a yielded two lines: "pnp: Device 01:01.0"[01]" activated." Still no sound though |
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| 09:45.44 | jaski | cydork: I probably need to restart sound as all sound devs were shut down by modconf a little while ago |
| 09:46.32 | Hal9000 | Braindead: i am compiling |
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| 09:48.31 | wdamn | Hi, what's the best rss reader for linux? |
| 09:49.21 | Ronin | !best |
| 09:49.21 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 09:50.29 | wdamn | best = light+nocrash |
| 09:50.44 | triple5 | wdamn, the best is included in your head, open your eyes, |
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| 09:51.06 | triple5 | oops, I didn't want to write that... do you want one included in a web-browser? |
| 09:51.14 | triple5 | or for a websiteonline? |
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| 09:52.00 | wdamn | triple5: a desktop feed aggregator |
| 09:52.08 | triple5 | oh, |
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| 09:52.50 | triple5 | for gnome, kde, or what? |
| 09:53.04 | wdamn | triple5: a light desktop feed aggregator |
| 09:53.09 | wdamn | also textual |
| 09:53.19 | triple5 | straw? |
| 09:53.22 | wdamn | I've tried raggle, but it's too crashable |
| 09:53.38 | wdamn | straw it's not very light |
| 09:53.40 | triple5 | rawdog? |
| 09:53.55 | triple5 | liferea? |
| 09:54.07 | wdamn | rawdog doesn't write the html output page with a very strange ascii error... |
| 09:54.15 | wdamn | I can try lifearea |
| 09:54.33 | triple5 | liferea not lifearea |
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| 09:55.03 | wdamn | ok |
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| 09:58.15 | Bladerunner05 | how can I uncompress a winrar file on linux ? |
| 09:58.20 | petemc | unrar |
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| 09:58.27 | petemc | strangely enough.. |
| 09:58.32 | Bladerunner05 | apt-cache search unrar dosen't exist |
| 09:59.05 | nkuttler | Bladerunner05: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 09:59.07 | wdamn | Bladerunner05: what's your source.list? |
| 09:59.25 | heello | could anybody recommend me a download manager |
| 09:59.47 | moebius | heello, if you are using firefox, try downthemall |
| 09:59.55 | moebius | it's a nice extension |
| 10:00.05 | heello | thanks |
| 10:01.24 | tralala | heello: wget |
| 10:02.04 | wdamn | tralala: wget it's not a download manager |
| 10:02.12 | Bladerunner05 | <wdamn> stable |
| 10:02.54 | hongzhiyi | tralala: is wget support multithread ? |
| 10:03.10 | Hal9000 | Braindead: i cant believe it myself, but the machine started right away :) i will now chack that everything works properly |
| 10:03.20 | wdamn | Bladerunner05: ok, but after stable you should put "main contrib non-free" |
| 10:03.27 | Braindead | lucky man |
| 10:03.44 | infernixx | http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20060905.txt - does anyone know whether if sarge is affected (probably is), and how grave the consequences of this bug are? i've been told it's possible to login without a password through ssh with a forged key. |
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| 10:03.56 | tralala | hongzhiyi: yes (sort of) - wget file1& wget file2 |
| 10:03.57 | Bladerunner05 | <wdamn> may I download it with wget ? |
| 10:04.10 | wdamn | Bladerunner05: download what? |
| 10:04.27 | hongzhiyi | tralala: thanks |
| 10:04.29 | Bladerunner05 | sorry nothing |
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| 10:05.17 | hongzhiyi | wget file1&& wget file2,right? |
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| 10:05.44 | tralala | hongzhiyi: actually I was mistaken, it has a background option of its own -b so it is wget -b file1; wget -b file2 |
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| 10:05.55 | petemc | you can pass multiple urls to wget |
| 10:05.59 | pumpkin0 | or wget -b file & wget -b file |
| 10:06.10 | jaski | wdamn: I've just replaced my 2.4.27 kernel with 2.6.8-3-686 (last night). Should I change my sources.list, too? |
| 10:06.28 | tralala | petemc: but it will process them one after another and he wants them in parallel |
| 10:06.35 | petemc | oh |
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| 10:07.13 | wdamn | jaski: not necessarily |
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| 10:07.57 | tralala | here's a command line multithreading downloading with wget: for url in $(cat urls.txt); do wget -b $url; done |
| 10:08.04 | jaski | wdamn: OK, thanx (I'm a compulsive worrier) |
| 10:08.26 | wdamn | It depends: are you on sarge or what? |
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| 10:08.50 | jaski | wdamn: Yeps (Sarge) |
| 10:08.52 | keith | hi all, which iso do i download from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 10:09.48 | masadd | i wish there was a debian minimum/base install cd... |
| 10:10.06 | masadd | or it is there but i dont remember... :D |
| 10:10.07 | masadd | nvm... |
| 10:10.21 | pumpkin0 | keith: debian-31r3-i386-netinst.iso or all the other ... |
| 10:10.27 | wdamn | keith: depends on what you wanna do.... |
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| 10:11.34 | keith | right, just wondering what these binary-[1..15] iso files are? |
| 10:12.04 | pumpkin0 | keith: that´s debian, "full edition". |
| 10:12.18 | masadd | netinst is the minimum... |
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| 10:12.29 | wdamn | keith: iso images contains debian stable dist |
| 10:12.55 | nyk | I configured my postfix, but it doesn't receive any mail, what could I do wrong? I used sendmail and it just worked... :) |
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| 10:13.19 | jaski | masadd: see "http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/" |
| 10:13.24 | karsten | nyk: Daemon running? Listening at port25? Have you tried connecting manually to localhost? Looked at logs? |
| 10:13.29 | karsten | !tell nyk about doesn't work |
| 10:13.33 | karsten | !tell nyk about smart questions |
| 10:13.37 | jaski | masadd: it's very flexible |
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| 10:17.49 | nyk | karsten: the daemon in running. listening on "all" inet interfaces. connection to port 25 is refused to telnet from home... |
| 10:18.09 | nyk | karsten: and I see no logs... :( |
| 10:18.16 | karsten | nyk: OK, time to look at logs and reason denied. YOu should have an allowed hosts line. You need to open that up. |
| 10:18.19 | pumpkin0 | nyk: netstat -tnlp |
| 10:18.52 | karsten | nyk: What pumpkin0 said as well. 'ps aux | grep [p]ostfix' would also be useful. |
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| 10:20.37 | nyk | pumpkin0: not in the list (postfix) |
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| 10:21.23 | pumpkin0 | nyk: so it´s not even running / listening to the network. |
| 10:21.29 | karsten | nyk: That would tend to indicate it's not a listening daemon. Starting via init.d script or inetd? |
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| 10:22.44 | nyk | karsten: via init.d/postfix |
| 10:23.06 | metrix | i'm looking for a debian package to admistrate mysql over the web. I tried webmin but it doesn't seem to make my primary keys correctly. I am running debian/testing |
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| 10:23.24 | karsten | nyk: confirm that you don't have postfix or sendmail starting in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 10:23.40 | nyk | karsten: its not listening |
| 10:23.55 | metrix | any ideas? |
| 10:24.07 | karsten | nyk: If it's present there, sysvinit won't start the daemon. |
| 10:24.14 | nyk | karsten: its not in inetd conf |
| 10:24.20 | karsten | nyk: OK. |
| 10:24.27 | karsten | nyk: Check /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 10:26.39 | nyk | karsten: has only warnings and stuff from mysql and xinetd |
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| 10:26.53 | karsten | nyk: /var/log/mail.* |
| 10:27.20 | karsten | nyk: ... or /var/log/postfix/ possibly? I'm running exim4, have exim4. |
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| 10:27.59 | nyk | karsten: did a reboot after i deleted /etc/xinit.d/sendmail and now I can connect to port 25 |
| 10:28.19 | karsten | nyk: Hrm. |
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| 10:29.00 | nyk | karsten: now, it almost works: can't create user output file. Command output: procmail: Error while writing to "/var/mail/nick" |
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| 10:29.34 | karsten | nyk: Check persm under /var/mail |
| 10:29.35 | nyk | might need mail_spool_directory = /var/spool/mai |
| 10:29.39 | nyk | l |
| 10:29.51 | karsten | s/persm/perms/ |
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| 10:30.38 | nyk | karsten: stuff belongs to user:mail there and is chmod 660 |
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| 10:31.09 | nyk | karsten: maybe just give it to the user:postfix ? |
| 10:31.21 | sanmarcos | what is it with this fucking shit going down? |
| 10:31.37 | karsten | nyk: Not sure. That should be set properly unless you've tweaked it. |
| 10:31.41 | psaux | karsten, nyk: sorry I've missed the gist of your problem, but I wonder if it's related to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386500 |
| 10:31.53 | petemc | sanmarcos: what fucking shit is that? |
| 10:31.56 | liable | sanmarcos: wth are you on about? |
| 10:32.24 | karsten | psaux: What would postfix have to do with udev? |
| 10:33.03 | sanmarcos | my connection going down every 2 by 3 |
| 10:33.17 | Guerin | sanmarcos: call your isp and shout |
| 10:33.46 | psaux | karsten: the bug breaks exim |
| 10:34.55 | nyk | psaux: I just switched from sendmail to postfix |
| 10:34.56 | wols_ | psaux: this bug breaks everything. MTAs don't need drivers |
| 10:35.07 | nyk | karsten: changed it and still not better |
| 10:35.20 | psaux | fair enough ... <retreats> |
| 10:35.46 | nyk | karsten: maybe I should add postfix to the mail group? |
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| 10:38.03 | nyk | karsten: somehow procmail cant write to the mailfile... so just delete it maybe? |
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| 10:40.13 | nyk | karsten: maybe because I use mbox? |
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| 10:43.56 | nyk | karsten: now I get a File too large message in the logs... |
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| 10:46.01 | nyk | karsten: ok, solved this. only problem now is that postfix can write to the mbox, but dovecot cant access it |
| 10:46.26 | petemc | dovecot accesses mboxes fine here |
| 10:47.04 | ecdemo | what's the perms of the mbox file |
| 10:47.35 | metrix | I just did an apt-get install x-window-system-core and it's complaining about not finding the mouse.. is there a dpkg-reconfigure mouse or something that I need to do? |
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| 10:48.14 | ecdemo | metrix: be more specific about the mouse... think about what info is needed to solve |
| 10:48.23 | ecdemo | and then supply that info |
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| 10:48.45 | nvz | metrix: yeah, lets start with if you have a mouse, and if its plugged in.. to the computer that is |
| 10:49.11 | ecdemo | I had a mouse plugged in to the wall... now, pretty smelly... |
| 10:49.26 | usn_work | hi there |
| 10:49.32 | ecdemo | where? |
| 10:49.53 | nocti | karsten: hi |
| 10:49.53 | nocti | karsten: how do i shift to testing from sarge |
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| 10:50.12 | ecdemo | edit a file, issue two commands |
| 10:50.22 | ecdemo | you are sure you want to do that? |
| 10:50.24 | petemc | in a perfect world |
| 10:50.33 | ecdemo | if not, back up your entire hd |
| 10:50.44 | nvz | ecdemo: you cant downgrade that way |
| 10:50.44 | metrix | ok.. no problem.. I have a mouse plugged in, it is a PS/2 mouse. and just having said that, I will reboot the server to make sure the thing did not dislodge and become unrecognizable |
| 10:50.57 | tziku | hello, after i upgrade my kernel yesterday all ./psybnc process are freezing. Can somebody help me please ? |
| 10:51.25 | ecdemo | nvz: exactly, so backing up the hd is the way to provide a way to restore himself back |
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| 10:51.56 | nvz | metrix: maybe you should wait and do something that makes sense first. because if the ps/2 mouse wasnt plugged in restarting the server wont make any difference. a ps/2 device must be plugged in before the maching turns on to be initalized |
| 10:52.18 | nyk | karsten: cool, like this it works! thx! and I see in the logs that spam is now rejected, not like with my unconfigured sendmail... |
| 10:52.22 | nvz | ecdemo: I suppose though I dont know why you would want to do that in the first place |
| 10:52.30 | ecdemo | nvz: if you're thinking he wants to downgrade... read his msg, carefully this time :) he wants to upgrade |
| 10:52.55 | nvz | ecdemo: :) |
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| 10:52.58 | ecdemo | it's worded a bit weirdly, but specifically |
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| 10:53.19 | metrix | nvz: it is plugged in, I checked that before I sent a message. I just had not rebooted the machine in over 6 months |
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| 10:53.39 | nyk | karsten: strange, netstat show postfix as "master".. |
| 10:53.51 | psaux | metrex: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386500 |
| 10:53.53 | karsten | !tell nocti about downgrade |
| 10:54.00 | karsten | nocti: Reinstall is the safe bet. |
| 10:54.03 | nvz | metrix: well the next step is to try cat /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice and see if you can read from either of those two devices. if it works move the mouse and try get some output. if its not working it will give you an error |
| 10:54.18 | karsten | nyk: And glad to hear you're sorted. |
| 10:54.24 | sts | hello folks. can someone please help me with specifiing paths in imap? i want to read another users mailbox, with mutt. so what path do i need to specify to see another users INBOX? |
| 10:54.40 | ecdemo | karsten: you too? :) he was asking how to go TO testing FROM sarge... |
| 10:54.42 | karsten | nyk: Sorry 'bout the blackout. Remote irssi session, local laptop appears to have a wiring fault, reboots spontaneously. |
| 10:54.53 | nvz | metrix: if you fail to read data from the mouse device then you need to load the right drivers, if you can read from it then you need to reconfigure X to use the right device |
| 10:54.58 | nyk | Is the HUGE mbox file really needed? I use dovecot IMAP, so doesn't that store mail in its own DB? |
| 10:55.03 | karsten | ecdemo: Can't read straight. |
| 10:55.16 | ecdemo | meetoo sometimes |
| 10:55.19 | psaux | nvz: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386500 |
| 10:55.20 | karsten | nocti: Sorry, upgrading's easy. Downgrading isn't. |
| 10:55.40 | ecdemo | and they decided to not support downgrade |
| 10:55.40 | nyk | karsten: I see... not so convenient... :) |
| 10:55.49 | nvz | psaux: I have no interest in reading random bug reports |
| 10:56.14 | psaux | nvz: more fool you |
| 10:56.31 | karsten | nyk: Fortunately the state's mostly remote. Other than the stuff that's not. I just get suddenly quiet sometimes ;-) |
| 10:56.45 | nvz | interesting collection of words there. however they make no sense. |
| 10:56.52 | ecdemo | psaux: maybe you should explain briefly why you're referring him to that report |
| 10:56.56 | karsten | nocti: Update your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to testing rather than stable. Then "aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade" |
| 10:57.01 | metrix | nvz: thank you for the help |
| 10:57.04 | karsten | nocti: ... and download a bunch of stuff. |
| 10:57.20 | nocti | karsten: downgrade? i thought testing is newer than sarge |
| 10:57.31 | karsten | nocti: I misread your question. |
| 10:57.32 | liable | and then head to bts :) |
| 10:57.34 | nvz | seriously.. I didnt come home after working all night to read some fucking bug report for no apperent reason |
| 10:57.42 | psaux | the bug removes the mouse device |
| 10:57.44 | karsten | nocti: Yes, testing _is_ newer than sarge. |
| 10:58.02 | karsten | nocti: ... so what you want to do is very readily done. |
| 10:58.21 | nocti | karsten: :) thanks dude |
| 10:59.00 | ecdemo | nocti: but if you desire to protect yourself in case (among other possibilities) you don't like testing... then the only way to do that is to back up your hd |
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| 10:59.46 | ecdemo | err, rather, the only way to do that -reliably- |
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| 11:00.28 | karsten | nocti: NP. |
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| 11:00.51 | karsten | nocti: and /msg dpkg aptitude for why it's generally preferable to apt-get. |
| 11:00.56 | karsten | nvz: 3 minutes? |
| 11:01.00 | karsten | nvz: You're quick. |
| 11:01.35 | nvz | karsten: yeah well I've taken several speed reading classes |
| 11:02.10 | nvz | heh |
| 11:02.34 | nvz | karsten: your sarcastic musings are beyond me |
| 11:03.04 | karsten | nvz: That makes two of us. |
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| 11:04.18 | nvz | man I wish I had some money. |
| 11:04.22 | nocti | ecdemo, karsten: can you still "reverse" the upgrade? like s/testing/stable/, update, dist-upgrade... |
| 11:04.45 | karsten | nocti: No. |
| 11:04.56 | karsten | nocti: Debian's package management is unidirectional. |
| 11:04.58 | ecdemo | nocti: umm... did you understand what we've been saying for the past several minutes? |
| 11:05.08 | nvz | I mean legal tender, not funny money |
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| 11:05.20 | ecdemo | nocti: but if you desire to protect yourself in case (among other possibilities) you don't like testing... then the only way to do that is to back up your hd |
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| 11:05.56 | karsten | nocti: The best downgrade process is going to involve a reinstall. You can shortcut that with a few tricks, like archiving your /home and system settings (/etc), as well as a package list (pre-upgrade: dpkg --get-selections). |
| 11:06.06 | karsten | nocti: ... or what ecdemo said. |
| 11:06.48 | nocti | ecdemo, karsten: ok, understand need to backup home, var/cache/apt, var/lib/apt.. :) wanna play with testing :) thanks guys |
| 11:07.10 | ecdemo | it's because it was decided that since supporting downgrades involves a lot of work, it wouldn't be supported |
| 11:07.19 | karsten | nvz: From whence the coveting of lucre? |
| 11:07.33 | ecdemo | nowce? |
| 11:07.53 | karsten | nocti: There are also upgrades which don't reverse readily. Eg: database format changes, etc. |
| 11:08.09 | nvz | I dont have suffecient reference material on hand to know wtf you are talking about |
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| 11:08.24 | karsten | nvz: Why do you need money? |
| 11:08.37 | nvz | to do something other than sleep and work |
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| 11:09.16 | nvz | I just got off work, and $0.08 isnt going to get me far. wont buy food, gas, beer, nothing. |
| 11:09.37 | ecdemo | not even a postage stamp ;) |
| 11:09.37 | karsten | nvz: You work at a federal pen or what? |
| 11:09.39 | nvz | there is absolutly nothing you can buy with $0.08 |
| 11:09.47 | karsten | nvz: Nickle candy. |
| 11:09.59 | karsten | nvz: I think you'll get a red-rope and three cents' change. |
| 11:11.12 | ecdemo | make about $20k and invest it such that you get a ROI of about 20-30% |
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| 11:11.51 | nvz | I think I am going to start claiming myself |
| 11:12.26 | karsten | nvz: ... as what? |
| 11:12.32 | nvz | as a dependand! |
| 11:12.39 | nvz | er dependant |
| 11:12.56 | karsten | nvz: This is #debian. |
| 11:13.03 | karsten | nvz: Declare yourself as a requires. |
| 11:13.26 | nvz | sure I get a bigger tax return not doing it, but thats like 8 months away yet |
| 11:13.36 | karsten | ecdemo: Nice trick. A 1000 stock market index is currently yielding 2.8% annual return. |
| 11:14.12 | karsten | ecdemo: Erm. ytd. 1.23% 12 month yield, if I'm reading this chart right. |
| 11:14.18 | ecdemo | certain real estate deals could get you higher returns... but there is of course corresponding risk and work involved |
| 11:14.26 | petemc | fascinating.. |
| 11:14.31 | karsten | ecdemo: I think that that window's closed. |
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| 11:14.54 | cardon | http://www.world-la2.ru |
| 11:14.55 | cardon | http://www.world-la2.ru |
| 11:14.58 | karsten | ecdemo: ... at least in much of the US. Canada (Alberta) was still rocketing last I heard. |
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| 11:15.05 | karsten | !ops cardon spamming |
| 11:15.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: cardon spamming |
| 11:15.14 | karsten | cardon: Don't do that. |
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| 11:17.02 | ecdemo | one deal I saw (but couldn't get into at the time) involved a company who was creating large expensive real estate, and started by carving up the land they wanted so that there were about 24 parts... |
| 11:17.52 | ecdemo | each part involved $50k invested,over about 2 years... |
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| 11:18.34 | ecdemo | during that time, they said they would pay out 7%, and at the point of sale, 40% additional |
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| 11:21.01 | ecdemo | what date was r3 released? |
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| 11:22.52 | nvz | ecdemo: /topic |
| 11:23.12 | ecdemo | I'm looking at the topic now :) |
| 11:23.19 | nvz | its the first note |
| 11:23.30 | nvz | dpkg, sarge 3.1r3 |
| 11:23.30 | dpkg | Sarge 3.1r3 has been released as of Sept 1st: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2006/msg00004.html, or if you are already running sarge and have a security line in sources.list you are already running 3.1r3, ask me about <security> |
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| 11:24.25 | ecdemo | well that factoid is assuming a coupla facts not in evidence :) |
| 11:24.43 | ecdemo | namely the frequency of which they upgrade |
| 11:26.29 | nvz | dpkg, sarge 3.1r3 =~ s/you are already running/all you have to do is apt-get update && apt get upgrade to/ |
| 11:26.30 | dpkg | OK, nvz |
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| 11:27.37 | ecdemo | hmm, let's see that factoid again :) there are two instances of that string... did you mean to replace the second? |
| 11:27.57 | nvz | bah |
| 11:28.13 | karsten | !sarge 3.1r3 |
| 11:28.13 | dpkg | Sarge 3.1r3 has been released as of Sept 1st: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2006/msg00004.html, or if all you have to do is apt-get update && apt get upgrade to sarge and have a security line in sources.list you are already running 3.1r3, ask me about <security> |
| 11:28.25 | karsten | nvz: Dunno. |
| 11:28.29 | nvz | dpkg, sarge 3.1r3 =~ s/all you have to do is apt-get update && apt get upgrade to/you are already running/ |
| 11:28.29 | dpkg | nvz: OK |
| 11:28.35 | karsten | nvz: That makes as much sense as most of the questions we get here. |
| 11:28.57 | karsten | nvz: ... and technically I think it was correct. |
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| 11:29.19 | nvz | karsten: correct or not idiots happen |
| 11:29.48 | karsten | nvz: and remember: idiots cause idiots. |
| 11:29.48 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:29.49 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> To +b or not to +b, that is the +q |
| 11:30.26 | karsten | nvz: Don't n00b and irq. Idiots cause questions. |
| 11:30.38 | karsten | erm. Irc. |
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| 11:31.25 | daniele83 | hi! i'm searching an utility to manage smart cards and apply temporal marks to documents |
| 11:31.49 | karsten | ...again. |
| 11:31.49 | nvz | fuck it you are all driving me nuts :P I am going to bed |
| 11:32.03 | karsten | nvz: Sweet dreams. |
| 11:32.09 | nvz | are made of these |
| 11:32.19 | karsten | who am I to disagree. |
| 11:32.21 | ecdemo | nvz: careful... sleep causes idiocy :)( |
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| 11:33.28 | mentor | meh |
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| 11:33.46 | ecdemo | meh |
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| 11:34.15 | mentor | oh |
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| 11:34.22 | ecdemo | awww, didn't work :) |
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| 11:34.40 | karsten | mentor: ?? |
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| 11:34.55 | mentor | I'm bolting the stable |
| 11:34.57 | niru | hello friends |
| 11:34.57 | ecdemo | mentor: he's long gone already tho |
| 11:35.00 | karsten | mentor: He left a while ago. |
| 11:35.03 | karsten | mentor: Nice horse. |
| 11:35.11 | mentor | thanks |
| 11:35.29 | liable | oh well, he wont be back :) |
| 11:35.52 | ecdemo | unless he changes IPs (which he won't know to do..._) |
| 11:36.03 | niru | I want to ask a question |
| 11:36.16 | karsten | !ask |
| 11:36.16 | ecdemo | you do?!! |
| 11:36.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 11:37.09 | ecdemo | the most important of that: make it easy for us to help you |
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| 11:38.01 | niru | what server does debian use for mainatining versioning system |
| 11:38.18 | karsten | niru: Sorry? |
| 11:38.38 | karsten | niru: If you're asking what it's revision control is, essentially it's APT. |
| 11:38.45 | karsten | s/it's/its/ |
| 11:38.52 | ecdemo | the versioning of packages has its own dependency system,,, if you mean that, then it's independent of any server |
| 11:39.11 | karsten | niru: If you're asking for the mirror hostname(s): /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 11:39.31 | niru | I expect something like svn or bzr |
| 11:39.48 | ecdemo | but if you mean which version control system does debian use, the maintainers pick that themselves... some use cvs, some use arch, some svn |
| 11:39.48 | karsten | niru: Upstream packages use a variety of SCMs: svn, cvs, hg, etc. |
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| 11:40.29 | karsten | niru: Debian doesn't generally do source management except on its own specific packages, again, that's mostly the package management system and related utilities, installer, etc. |
| 11:40.43 | ecdemo | and many times, debian continues the use of that scm (by obtaining the source using that scm) |
| 11:40.44 | karsten | niru: Check the upstream of a given package. |
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| 11:42.07 | niru | Is no one using bzr |
| 11:42.18 | karsten | niru: I'm sure someone is. |
| 11:42.18 | petemc | ubuntu are |
| 11:42.18 | Maulkin_ | No |
| 11:42.24 | Maulkin_ | Thay all gave up |
| 11:42.40 | karsten | niru: There's no convenient way to assess that from w/in Debian, this is the wrong place to ask. |
| 11:42.47 | azeem | Maulkin_: they gave up on baz |
| 11:42.49 | azeem | not bzr |
| 11:43.06 | niru | So it is svn or cvs that is being used by debian |
| 11:43.08 | karsten | azeem: your chain. It's been yanked. |
| 11:43.12 | karsten | niru: mu |
| 11:43.12 | ecdemo | in the specific case of arch, it's possible to get stuff, put it into a local (or less upstream) repo and post changes meant to package or to fix bugs found by that maint to that more local repo |
| 11:43.13 | karsten | !mu |
| 11:43.14 | dpkg | When asked by a monk if a dog had Buddha Nature, Joshu said "Mu." |
| 11:43.27 | karsten | niru: Nonsensical question. |
| 11:43.28 | azeem | karsten: huh? |
| 11:43.49 | karsten | azeem: Maulkin was, methinks, being a tad, um, sarcastic. |
| 11:44.36 | karsten | niru: "Debian" doesn't use any RCS. Specific packages may use one of several, upstream. Check against upstream for details. |
| 11:44.49 | karsten | niru: s/RCS/SCM/ |
| 11:44.50 | Cinzano | ïðèâåò |
| 11:45.06 | karsten | Cinzano: privet. |
| 11:45.40 | Cinzano | âû îòêóäà? |
| 11:45.46 | ecdemo | ! |
| 11:45.58 | karsten | Cinzano: english please. And ascii while you're at it. |
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| 11:46.13 | karsten | !ru |
| 11:46.14 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 11:48.45 | Cinzano | you are from? |
| 11:48.54 | karsten | Cinzano: Jesusland. |
| 11:49.02 | ecdemo | I are ecdemo! |
| 11:49.11 | karsten | Cinzano: Wait, no, I'm a Blue-Stater. |
| 11:49.31 | dimir | Íèàòêóäà! |
| 11:49.51 | Cinzano | çà÷åò |
| 11:49.57 | karsten | http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/11/images/04new_map.jpg |
| 11:49.58 | dimir | :-P |
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| 11:51.39 | ocr | is there a way to do such as iconv -t utf8 *.html ? |
| 11:51.50 | dimir | ye |
| 11:51.53 | ocr | *and inline edit them* |
| 11:52.03 | ocr | not just spatter them to the stdout |
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| 11:52.33 | karsten | ocr: <command> | vim - |
| 11:52.55 | dimir | find . -name '*.html' | while read file; do iconv -t utf8 "$file" > "$file.new"; mv "$file.new" "$file"; done |
| 11:53.04 | dimir | ocr: but backup first! |
| 11:53.04 | karsten | ocr: or: <command> file1 > file1.tmp && mv file1.tmp file1 |
| 11:53.19 | Cinzano | a kto nibyd znaet Russkiy |
| 11:53.22 | karsten | obMeToo on backing up work. |
| 11:53.55 | dimir | Cinzano: English here. #debian.ru for Russian. |
| 11:53.59 | ocr | i read somewhere that iconv was deprecated and there was a new conversion program, what is the name of that? |
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| 11:55.10 | ecdemo | ocr: someone has deprecated iconv? |
| 11:55.17 | ocr | iconv should have an interactive option tbh :| |
| 11:55.27 | ocr | ecdemo: i just read it somewhere, but i don |
| 11:55.29 | ecdemo | maybe the best thing to do is contact that person |
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| 11:55.38 | ocr | t remember which program was to replace it |
| 11:55.39 | karsten | ocr: Well, I'd never heard about iconv until just now. |
| 11:55.56 | dimir | ocr: $ apt-cache search recode | grep ^rec |
| 11:55.56 | dimir | recode - Character set conversion utility |
| 11:55.56 | dimir | recode-doc - Documentation for Free recode |
| 11:56.12 | ocr | thanks dimir, thats probably the one |
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| 11:56.44 | dimir | np |
| 11:57.03 | karsten | dimir: ocr: is this perhaps any relation to the old demoronizer tool from John Walker (fourmilab.ch)? |
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| 11:57.47 | dimir | karbas: no idea |
| 11:57.52 | dimir | karsten too |
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| 11:59.28 | karsten | ...and speaking of misc libc utilities, is there something which will *list* timezones? |
| 12:00.37 | karsten | Ah. tzselect. |
| 12:00.48 | karsten | sort of. |
| 12:01.25 | klork | hullo guys am stuck in text mode ... my usb mouse seems to be the problem....... lsusb dont return any devices not even empty devices :( plz help |
| 12:01.39 | ecdemo | about grub/lilo... if lilo can boot something with "other=/dev/hdb"... how can grub boot the same? |
| 12:02.09 | karsten | klork: modprobe usb_uhci mousedee |
| 12:02.12 | karsten | klork: modprobe usb_uhci mousedev |
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| 12:02.19 | karsten | klork: ... and try restarting X |
| 12:02.22 | klork | hi karsten :) |
| 12:02.25 | klork | oks |
| 12:02.26 | karsten | klork: Oi. |
| 12:02.31 | ecdemo | and probably also usbhid |
| 12:02.47 | karsten | ecdemo: Does modprobe work out the deps by itself or not? |
| 12:02.54 | klork | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.58 | ecdemo | modprobe should |
| 12:03.22 | karsten | klork: just mousedev then. |
| 12:03.28 | ecdemo | in my case, usbhid was all I needed, so I assume there was no dep to find |
| 12:03.30 | azeem | klork: what kernel are you running? |
| 12:03.34 | klork | ya i tried but aint working |
| 12:04.01 | klork | 2.6.17.11 custom but stock ones giving the same prob too |
| 12:04.26 | azeem | klork: what do you mean with "aint working"? |
| 12:04.30 | azeem | module not found? |
| 12:04.31 | ecdemo | also you might try using modconf (a package you install, then an executable of the same name you run) |
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| 12:04.39 | azeem | or it is loaded, but still not usb support? |
| 12:04.42 | klork | X dont start |
| 12:05.00 | azeem | klork: which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 12:05.40 | klork | azeem sid... updated yesterday only which started the problem upon next boot |
| 12:05.42 | ecdemo | klork: it would help to find why |
| 12:05.56 | ecdemo | sid... |
| 12:06.03 | klork | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.04 | ecdemo | ok, never mind |
| 12:06.09 | azeem | klork: yesterday only? |
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| 12:06.16 | ecdemo | not going there :P |
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| 12:06.29 | klork | yep yesterady |
| 12:06.30 | azeem | you mean you updated yesterday, but not before for some time? |
| 12:06.47 | garo | Does someone have a newer version of this or of something like this : http://www.linuxsecurity.com/docs/QuickRefCard.pdf |
| 12:06.48 | klork | nope i update regularly just after yesterdays update |
| 12:07.07 | ecdemo | when was the last time before yesterday, exactly? |
| 12:07.09 | azeem | klork: when was the last update before the one that broke things? |
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| 12:07.37 | tziku | anyone know anything about psybnc on kernell 2.6.x ? |
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| 12:07.42 | herbi | hi |
| 12:07.50 | klork | azeem, there were many |
| 12:08.09 | azeem | klork: more than a week before? |
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| 12:08.19 | herbi | if my .gnupg file is somehow stolen by someone, can they use it to decrpyt files encrypted against MY public key? |
| 12:08.36 | herbi | anyone know? |
| 12:08.43 | ecdemo | !anyone |
| 12:08.43 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 12:08.43 | azeem | herbi: if you mean the secring.gpg, then yes, if they have your passphrase as well |
| 12:08.50 | klork | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.59 | azeem | ecdemo: he asked the question in the line before |
| 12:09.07 | herbi | and if they dont know the passphrase? |
| 12:09.19 | ecdemo | well, ok... but there were at that time two targets :) |
| 12:09.20 | azeem | herbi: then they might to crack it, dunno |
| 12:09.31 | azeem | herbi: you should revoke your key and generate a new one |
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| 12:11.06 | klork | my startx output.... http://pastebin.ca/164219.. ihope it helps |
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| 12:11.46 | nono31 | is console-common broken in sid? |
| 12:12.24 | Braindead | why? |
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| 12:12.38 | ecdemo | klork: you might also pastebin the contents of x.log after... X > x.log 2>&1 |
| 12:12.42 | nono31 | Braindead: lost my keynap |
| 12:12.51 | Braindead | nono31: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 12:12.53 | ecdemo | nono31: look at the bts? |
| 12:12.54 | nono31 | X is not starting (core keyboard and mous |
| 12:12.55 | nono31 | e |
| 12:12.56 | nono31 | ) |
| 12:13.04 | nono31 | ecdemo: I don't have X anymore |
| 12:13.18 | ecdemo | and? :) |
| 12:13.18 | Braindead | and btw beware of sysv-rc bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386500 which also affects UDEV |
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| 12:13.33 | klork | secondly cat /dev/psaux did produce the output of mouse earlier ... while presently it says device not found but after modprobing mousedev as pointed by karsten ... it just gets stuck on a new line |
| 12:13.55 | azeem | klork: do you have /dev/input/mice? |
| 12:14.09 | ecdemo | but your mouse is usb, or no? |
| 12:14.12 | nono31 | azeem: psauzx |
| 12:14.21 | azeem | nono31: hrm? |
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| 12:14.31 | nono31 | azeem: hrm |
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| 12:15.19 | azeem | klork: the above paste looks rather like a permissions bug |
| 12:15.25 | klork | azeem, ya but it stucks... |
| 12:15.26 | sed1 | hi, whats the difference between debian-31r3-i386-binary-1.iso and debian-update-3.1r3-i386-1.iso |
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| 12:15.42 | azeem | klork: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common and change to 'anybody' temporarily |
| 12:15.45 | klork | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.49 | klork | oks |
| 12:15.51 | ecdemo | sed1: one's not an update |
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| 12:16.32 | klork | azeem, i dont have xserver-common :) |
| 12:16.32 | ecdemo | klork: and plugged into usb port? if so, you won't see anything at /dev/psaux (since your mouse isn't plugged into ps2 port) |
| 12:16.34 | ecdemo | instead |
| 12:16.42 | ecdemo | it's at /dev/input/mice |
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| 12:17.15 | sed1 | so if im trying to install a bare minimum system (non x windows), could i use just this cd? debian-31r3-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 12:17.26 | azeem | sed1: yes |
| 12:17.29 | klork | ecdemo, okey but it did earlier... nyways no output on /dev/input/mice either but dont say no device found either(same is wid /dev/psaux) |
| 12:17.40 | ecdemo | sed1: you could do it off the net |
| 12:17.47 | tziku | anyone know anything about psybnc on kernell 2.6.x ? |
| 12:17.50 | ecdemo | and not download any CD |
| 12:17.58 | sed1 | ecdemo, you mean to say netinst? |
| 12:18.33 | tralala | sed1: you can download the netinst cd which is a 100megs or so instead of downloading a full cd image |
| 12:18.52 | ecdemo | tziku: say what is your problem, specifically... talk about -your- experience, and -your- specifics and what -you- are experiencing |
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| 12:19.25 | tziku | psybnc doesnt like kernel 2.6 (its crash, the proc is still running, but the port listening wasn successfully) |
| 12:19.28 | ecdemo | if you do that, then more people could recognize whether they can respond to you |
| 12:19.29 | klork | oops i got disconnected |
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| 12:21.13 | klork | guys any way to revert back from last updated packages |
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| 12:21.51 | Braindead | klork: snapshot.debian.net |
| 12:22.04 | tralala | klork: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 12:22.08 | ecdemo | klork: restore from your backup that you made before upgrading. |
| 12:22.20 | klork | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:22.42 | klork | oks ... but i didnt hav a backup ohh a space |
| 12:23.07 | Braindead | klork: /var/cache/apt/archives/ is your friend |
| 12:23.26 | klork | oks i try |
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| 12:26.19 | klork | Braindead: it has long list of packages... |
| 12:26.45 | Braindead | klork: still I don't know what's the problem you gotta solve with the downgrade... |
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| 12:29.14 | klork | okey, synaptic did maintain history of the changes.... any idea of its logs |
| 12:29.52 | wobbler | klork, have you tried apt-get -f install to see if something crapped out on the upgrade? |
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| 12:30.28 | klork | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.51 | wobbler | klork, no dea then sorry |
| 12:31.03 | klork | :( |
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| 12:34.59 | Netcad | Hi, is there somebody out there who can give me a hint on the following? I need to search a large directory structure for directories and where ever found delete all files in there. |
| 12:35.23 | Braindead | Netcad: find ... exec. man find |
| 12:35.40 | Netcad | Directory is .deleted for example |
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| 12:36.27 | Fox | Netcad: find .deleted -type d -exec rm -rf {} \; |
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| 12:37.14 | karsten | Fox: How's that handle filenames with spaces? |
| 12:37.16 | petemc | find -type -f | (while read; do rm "$REPLY"; done) |
| 12:37.42 | wobbler | klork, i think i found your answer here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7501&start=15&sid=7f8e9d9cba135064f5f4dace5bbc34b8 |
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| 12:39.04 | petemc | -type f , not -type -f ... |
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| 12:42.20 | wobbler | klork, i posted a link for you on what looks like your problem http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7501&start=15&sid=7f8e9d9cba135064f5f4dace5bbc34b8 |
| 12:42.48 | ecdemo | in most versions of find, you need one or more starting dirs before the expression |
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| 12:43.17 | petemc | ecdemo: this is #debian |
| 12:43.34 | ecdemo | and I'm being portable |
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| 12:43.56 | petemc | ecdemo: thats not a requirment here |
| 12:44.18 | ecdemo | doesn't matter to me :) |
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| 12:44.44 | ecdemo | doesnt make my statement any less true |
| 12:44.55 | FromTO | I am having a problem getting the network to work. I have a fixed ip address with all information given correctly in interfaces and resolf.conf but cannot seem to connect. To test whether the network is open I boot it up a new installation disk until it got to network config. when the information was given all went ok. I mounted the device and copied the new interfaces and resolf.conf to their location but still nothing. ANy ideas? |
| 12:45.02 | petemc | ecdemo: it does call into question its relevance tho.. |
| 12:45.21 | ootput | FromTO: how are you testing for connectivity? |
| 12:45.41 | ootput | FromTO: try getting into a shell |
| 12:45.42 | ecdemo | FromTO: what is your IP? |
| 12:45.47 | FromTO | ooput: I downloaded a boot cd and went though it |
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| 12:46.44 | FromTO | ooput, ecdemo, it recognized the host name given to the ip add. by the admin |
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| 12:47.11 | ecdemo | FromTO: my question tho, was what is your ip... I want to try pinging you |
| 12:47.29 | FromTO | 205.189.17.102 |
| 12:47.38 | ootput | /whois him :) |
| 12:47.50 | ecdemo | ok, no reply so far |
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| 12:48.13 | ootput | FromTO: you're behind a router? |
| 12:48.14 | tralala | FromTO: is your routing table ok? Do you have a default router set? |
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| 12:48.19 | ootput | FromTO: did you specify the correct gatweay? |
| 12:48.45 | ecdemo | is there any way to find out if pings are being denied before getting to his (presently disconnected?) host? |
| 12:48.58 | tralala | ecdemo: traceroute |
| 12:48.59 | FromTO | ootput: yes all is good. I even copied the interfaces file setup by the boot disk to /etc/interfaces |
| 12:49.06 | ootput | analyse the hop |
| 12:49.11 | ootput | (s) |
| 12:49.16 | FromTO | tralata: no router |
| 12:49.32 | tralala | I mean a default gateway. You ought to have one. |
| 12:49.32 | ecdemo | last IP I get to is 20 192.54.242.15 83.261 ms 73.492 ms 74.797 ms |
| 12:50.05 | FromTO | tralata: yes that is setup correctly |
| 12:50.23 | ecdemo | FromTO: but no router == no nothing... |
| 12:50.37 | ecdemo | maybe this router isn't where you are... |
| 12:50.56 | ootput | FromTO: where are you ircing from? |
| 12:51.00 | FromTO | the weird thing is when I boot into an installation cd with the same information everything works fine ???? |
| 12:51.15 | FromTO | ootput: my desktop. |
| 12:51.23 | ecdemo | FromTO: well then something is wrong... |
| 12:51.34 | ootput | FromTO: this same machine has the network problem? |
| 12:51.37 | tralala | FromTO: use a pastebin to show us the output of 'route -n' and ifconfig |
| 12:51.44 | FromTO | ootput: NO |
| 12:51.50 | ecdemo | let's start with: what are you trying to get working exactly? how many machines? |
| 12:52.15 | tralala | FromTO: you're not trying to use the same IP with two different pcs, are you? |
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| 12:52.29 | FromTO | tralata: remember I am at a different machine pastebin will not work. ifconfig however does show correct ip gateway ... |
| 12:52.42 | FromTO | tralata: of course not come on |
| 12:52.55 | ootput | we don't have much to work with, tbh |
| 12:52.58 | ecdemo | it's starting to sound like you're trying to get two machines on the same IP... is this true? |
| 12:53.00 | ootput | we're trying to cover all the bases |
| 12:53.02 | tralala | FromTO: you can still type the output |
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| 12:53.36 | FromTO | tralata: true hold on |
| 12:53.44 | ecdemo | covering all the bases exhastively is exhausting :P |
| 12:54.23 | ootput | then we avoid the exhaustion :) |
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| 12:54.28 | ecdemo | I'll just start by reminding you that they need info to help you... the more the better... and: they cannot see your screen :) |
| 12:54.42 | ootput | FromTO: does ifconfig show the device? |
| 12:55.25 | ecdemo | I'd rather wait until he says somethign informative... |
| 12:55.29 | FromTO | ootput: hold on I am going to paste everything |
| 12:55.47 | ecdemo | to rafb.net/paste? |
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| 12:56.16 | mrbrdo | hello |
| 12:56.28 | ecdemo | people won't like it pasted here to the channel... it's too much at once |
| 12:56.41 | mrbrdo | is it ok if you install debian on another machine that it is going to run on (by putting the disc of the machine into another one and installing there)? |
| 12:56.43 | ootput | FromTO: when you're done with that, jsyk, you can manually set the default route with 'route add default gw <gateway_ip>. I'll be having dinner shortly |
| 12:57.39 | tralala | mrbrdo: yes, but you will need to edit the fstab once you transfer the installation to the other machine |
| 12:57.41 | ecdemo | mrbrdo: the machine you intend to install on does not have a cd drive? |
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| 12:58.06 | mrbrdo | ecdemo we could say something like that |
| 12:58.18 | mrbrdo | ecdemo i can't boot from the cd or the floppy because of battery problem (integrated battery) |
| 12:58.34 | ecdemo | ok, but it does have a net card? |
| 12:58.39 | messju | hello, is there a tool to remove files reliably from ext3 partitions? |
| 12:58.50 | petemc | shred? |
| 12:58.53 | tralala | mrbrdo: you can also do a debootstrap install |
| 12:58.57 | ecdemo | messju: man rm |
| 12:59.03 | mrbrdo | ecdemo can't boot from net either |
| 12:59.08 | mrbrdo | tralala what's that? |
| 12:59.25 | messju | ecdemo: *reliably* - like wipe or shred |
| 12:59.35 | mrbrdo | tralala the other machine i can install on is also a lot faster so if that would work it would be better anyway |
| 12:59.57 | tralala | mrbrdo: this will install a debian system in a directory without messing up your existing installation |
| 13:00.05 | messju | I read in man shred and man wipe, that they don't work good on journaling filesystems |
| 13:00.27 | ootput | mrbrdo: you can do a pxeboot install |
| 13:00.42 | ecdemo | how do you set that up |
| 13:00.43 | tralala | 15:59 < mrbrdo> ecdemo can't boot from net either |
| 13:00.44 | mrbrdo | ootput my net card doesn't support it i think |
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| 13:01.21 | ecdemo | mrbrdo: so, while battery is in, can't boot from floppy? |
| 13:01.31 | mrbrdo | tralala if i remove all the disks on the other PC, can't i just put the disk of this machine there and install there, and edit fstab? |
| 13:01.37 | mrbrdo | ecdemo nope |
| 13:01.39 | FromTO | ,pastebin |
| 13:02.05 | ecdemo | ok, do you have power supply you can plug into the wall, hook it to pc, put in floppy or cd? |
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| 13:02.36 | mrbrdo | ecdemo i'm talking about that bios battery.. |
| 13:02.44 | mrbrdo | ecdemo which allows to save changes to the bios |
| 13:02.45 | tralala | mrbrdo: let's name the two pcs because calling them "the other" in turns confuses me |
| 13:02.48 | ecdemo | bios battery? |
| 13:03.01 | ecdemo | hmm, I didn't realize that |
| 13:03.24 | mrbrdo | tralala if i remove all the disks on the goodPC, can't i just put the disk of badPC to goodPC and install on goodPC, and edit fstab on goodPC? |
| 13:03.25 | ootput | mrbrdo: you'd need to replace the bios battery soon |
| 13:03.31 | ootput | mrbrdo: the sooner the better ;) |
| 13:03.38 | mrbrdo | ootput can't, it's soldered to the motherboard |
| 13:03.46 | ecdemo | so if you have cdrom or floppy, it draws off the bios battery?? |
| 13:03.53 | mrbrdo | ootput or otherwise.. i can't even find where it is |
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| 13:04.17 | mrbrdo | ecdemo no, the battery is empty and i can't make the pc boot from cd\floppy becuase i can't make changes to the bios |
| 13:04.26 | ootput | mrbrdo: motherboard documentation. it's rather silly to have a fixed battery |
| 13:04.27 | tralala | mrbrdo: if you do that you won't need to edit the fstab given that you connect the badPC's disk into the same ide channel on the goodPC |
| 13:04.32 | ecdemo | wow |
| 13:04.42 | mrbrdo | ootput it's really old |
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| 13:04.50 | mrbrdo | tralala so that would work? |
| 13:04.55 | tralala | yes |
| 13:04.55 | johnssen | anyone here knows how to adjust the fontsize of evolution mail? |
| 13:05.21 | mrbrdo | tralala thanks, i'll do that then |
| 13:05.25 | FromTO | tralata: I am having problems with pastebin. |
| 13:05.41 | tralala | FromTO: what problems? |
| 13:05.52 | ecdemo | see... there is a way, probably the one you're describing is one of the ways... but this situation is one of broken hardware... I guess not broken too badly (like bad ram/bad cpu/bad bus chips) |
| 13:06.02 | FromTO | tralata: it says pastebin has not been performing well |
| 13:06.17 | ecdemo | try another pastebin :) |
| 13:06.29 | ecdemo | got a web server up on a reliable ip? |
| 13:06.31 | tralala | mrbrdo: don't do any exotic installation - keep it as default as possible |
| 13:06.37 | ecdemo | you can put it up yourself if so |
| 13:06.49 | mrbrdo | tralala sure, i don't need more than basics anyway |
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| 13:07.21 | tralala | FromTO: rafb.net/paste |
| 13:07.27 | FromTO | ok here it is http://pastebin.ca/164252 |
| 13:07.30 | johnssen | nobody here uses evolution? |
| 13:07.47 | Braindead | johnssen: nobody as in anybody? |
| 13:07.56 | Braindead | dpkg: tell johnssen about anybody |
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| 13:08.17 | Netcad | Is there something like a rmdir -R? |
| 13:08.27 | johnssen | Braindead: don't teach your grandmother how to suck eggs, GFY. |
| 13:08.37 | RichiH | !gfy |
| 13:08.37 | dpkg | methinks gfy is http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/ |
| 13:08.39 | ecdemo | johnssen: say what is your problem, specifically... talk about -your- experience, and -your- specifics and what -you- are experiencing |
| 13:08.40 | Fox | Netcad: rm -rf ? |
| 13:09.13 | ecdemo | Netcad: better read the man page for that... |
| 13:09.22 | RichiH | Netcad: rm -rf will not check for empty directories, though |
| 13:09.22 | ecdemo | if you don't, youcould be quite sorry |
| 13:09.23 | tralala | johnssen: I use mutt and I recommend that you do it too |
| 13:09.25 | johnssen | "anyone here knows how to adjust the fontsize of evolution mail?", that was what I first asked. |
| 13:09.52 | RichiH | johnssen: and noone answered. which does by no means imply nobody uses it |
| 13:10.13 | fluxdude | I've got a router that is using .18 as it's default inbound but is sending everything out via .19 How is it doing this? |
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| 13:10.38 | FromTO | Guys I have to go to a meeting will be back. Please let me know what you think |
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| 13:10.55 | ecdemo | johnssen: face it... you gotta be nice (and very complete and informative) to motivate people to help you |
| 13:10.59 | johnssen | RichiH: if you don't have the answer, then STFU. i hate it when dumbass try to teach me how to ask question. |
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| 13:11.17 | tziku | anyone know anything about psybnc on kernell 2.6.x ? psybnc doesnt like kernel 2.6 (its crash, the proc is still running, but the port listening wasn successfully) ? |
| 13:11.30 | ecdemo | since you don't know how to ask questions, we feel that's the next step |
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| 13:11.34 | tralala | FromTO: do you have a firewall on this machine? |
| 13:11.38 | johnssen | ecdemo: face it, either u know or u don't. |
| 13:11.44 | ecdemo | true |
| 13:11.50 | RichiH | johnssen: uh.. |
| 13:11.52 | ecdemo | could be one or the other |
| 13:11.59 | johnssen | ad if u don't, then STFU. |
| 13:12.02 | RichiH | johnssen: can you calm down a bit, please? |
| 13:12.07 | ootput | johnssen: don't be easily upset |
| 13:12.18 | Braindead | he likes to suck eggs |
| 13:12.29 | RichiH | Braindead: no need to poke further, either |
| 13:12.38 | johnssen | Braindead: and u like to suck balls. |
| 13:12.48 | ecdemo | if I don't, then I could look it up... but I'm not interested in doing so now, since you're an asshole jerk who doesn't deserve to be spoken to in any manner other than how you are treating others |
| 13:12.52 | *** mode/#debian [+b %johnssen!*@*] by RichiH |
| 13:12.56 | mrbrdo | finally |
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| 13:13.57 | ecdemo | what's the % mean? |
| 13:14.14 | RichiH | ecdemo: quiet |
| 13:14.22 | RichiH | still able to join, but not to talk |
| 13:14.24 | Netcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.44 | ootput | Netcad: there's one on Venus, if you're close by |
| 13:14.45 | tralala | Netcad: debian.org can give you a bunch |
| 13:14.48 | ecdemo | so it looks like a ban but is really a modified ban |
| 13:14.59 | mrbrdo | what's the name of the current stable anyway? |
| 13:15.03 | azeem | ootput: please refrain from giving non-sensical answers |
| 13:15.08 | RichiH | ecdemo: yes, custom server modification |
| 13:15.08 | Braindead | Netcad: apt-spy should do the job |
| 13:15.11 | ecdemo | stable! |
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| 13:15.20 | mrbrdo | doesn't it have a name? |
| 13:15.21 | RichiH | ecdemo: it's so all clients are able to keep track of it |
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| 13:15.28 | ecdemo | sarge |
| 13:15.29 | RichiH | mrbrdo: sarge |
| 13:15.34 | Braindead | mrbrdo: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 13:15.36 | InfraRed | hi all |
| 13:15.38 | mrbrdo | kk thx |
| 13:15.57 | ootput | Netcad: the answer depends solely on his location. If he doesn't specify one, then I'm free to assume :) |
| 13:16.11 | azeem | ootput: you're talking to me? |
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| 13:16.18 | InfraRed | any ideas why debian ignores /etc/network/interfaces on startup ? |
| 13:16.29 | ootput | azeem: indirectly, it appears (= |
| 13:16.31 | Netcad | i tried many mirrors. but there's error in any apt-get install or update |
| 13:16.31 | Netcad | <huxor> there was a command apt-setup |
| 13:16.31 | azeem | InfraRed: you need to add auto <iface> for them |
| 13:16.34 | tralala | InfraRed: man interfaces, search for auto |
| 13:16.39 | Netcad | oppsss |
| 13:16.43 | Netcad | sorry |
| 13:16.43 | azeem | ootput: I'd ask you not to assume |
| 13:16.44 | InfraRed | azeem: i have that |
| 13:16.49 | InfraRed | http://pastebin.ca/164258 |
| 13:17.03 | ecdemo | tha's your interfaces? |
| 13:17.09 | ootput | azeem: done |
| 13:17.10 | InfraRed | it doesnt start lo or eth1 |
| 13:17.11 | Braindead | Netcad: yeah you should also give apt-setup a try,it's likely you've got a broken sources.list |
| 13:17.36 | azeem | ootput: thanks |
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| 13:19.24 | ecdemo | InfraRed: this probably isn't your problem... but lots of times, net problems are solved by making sure lo comes up |
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| 13:19.35 | ecdemo | oh, which yours does |
| 13:19.51 | ecdemo | ok, so are you sure these interfaces are not brought up? |
| 13:20.17 | ecdemo | your interfaces file looks very simple and specific |
| 13:20.25 | InfraRed | no |
| 13:20.25 | ecdemo | if you look at ifconfig |
| 13:20.27 | InfraRed | lo doesnt |
| 13:20.31 | InfraRed | and eth1 doesnt |
| 13:20.31 | ecdemo | (no params) |
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| 13:20.42 | ecdemo | you should see lo and eth1 |
| 13:21.00 | InfraRed | i don't |
| 13:21.06 | InfraRed | i have to force them up |
| 13:21.08 | InfraRed | manually |
| 13:21.15 | InfraRed | but i see something interesting |
| 13:21.16 | InfraRed | tg3: tg3_request_firmware (eth%d): Couldn't get firmware "tg3/tso-1.4.0". |
| 13:21.16 | InfraRed | tg3: eth%d: Firmware "tg3/tso-1.4.0" not loaded; continuing without TSO. |
| 13:21.16 | InfraRed | eth1: Tigon3 [partno(BCM95721) rev 4101 PHY(5750)] (PCIX:100MHz:32-bit) 10/100/1000BaseT Ethernet 00:17:a4:eb:2d:7b |
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| 13:21.19 | ecdemo | cat: meet mouse |
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| 13:21.35 | InfraRed | sorry |
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| 13:21.46 | tralala | InfraRed: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 13:21.46 | ecdemo | hmm |
| 13:22.12 | ecdemo | do you think that if something were to be delayed a few secs, things would work? |
| 13:22.13 | ecdemo | also |
| 13:22.14 | tralala | InfraRed: is eth0 a wireless nic? |
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| 13:22.18 | InfraRed | no |
| 13:22.25 | ecdemo | what exactly do you mean "force up" |
| 13:22.32 | InfraRed | both broadcom nics |
| 13:22.44 | InfraRed | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:22.50 | InfraRed | then ifconfig eth1 up |
| 13:22.51 | InfraRed | etc |
| 13:23.05 | ecdemo | so restart doesn't do it by itself? |
| 13:23.17 | tralala | InfraRed: is networking launched at startup? |
| 13:23.18 | InfraRed | no |
| 13:23.26 | InfraRed | tralala: not that i can see |
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| 13:23.27 | tziku | Can somebody help me? Psybnc doesnt like kernel 2.6 (its crash, the proc is still running, but the port listening wasn successfully). |
| 13:23.31 | InfraRed | how do i check |
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| 13:23.56 | ecdemo | ok, so your networking is launched, but something (maybe this firmware issue?) is preventing the interfaces from coming up |
| 13:23.58 | tralala | InfraRed: ls /etc/rc?.d/*networking* |
| 13:24.10 | Braindead | mmm |
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| 13:24.25 | ecdemo | tralala: scroll up... I think I'm on to something |
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| 13:24.38 | mrbrdo | does Debian GNU/NetBSD use apt-get in the same way as the debian with the linux kernel does? meaning that you do not need to compile everything but rather just download a precompiled version? also, how recent are the packages for Debian GNU/NetBSD? |
| 13:24.40 | InfraRed | is init 3 the standard one? |
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| 13:24.49 | Braindead | if you're using sid beware of sysv-rc latest bug,update-rc.d is broken and it *deletes* existing symlinks |
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| 13:24.55 | ecdemo | the reason his net isn't starting is the same reason restart doesn't do the whole job |
| 13:25.10 | InfraRed | no networking scripts |
| 13:25.11 | InfraRed | :/ |
| 13:25.19 | InfraRed | in rc3.d |
| 13:25.24 | Braindead | mrbrdo: packages.debian.org |
| 13:25.36 | ecdemo | are you sure? |
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| 13:25.54 | InfraRed | cookies:~# ls /etc/rc3.d/ |
| 13:25.54 | InfraRed | README S20inetd S20openbsd-inetd S30squid S89atd S99rc.local S99rmnologin S99stop-bootlogd |
| 13:26.00 | tralala | InfraRed: grep ^id: /etc/inittab |
| 13:26.04 | Braindead | mrbrdo: anyway there's no netbsd kernel for debian,there's a kfreebsd version |
| 13:26.07 | tralala | this is for the default runlevel |
| 13:26.12 | InfraRed | id:2:initdefault: |
| 13:26.15 | tralala | InfraRed: are you running sid? |
| 13:26.35 | mrbrdo | Braindead kfreebsd? and what about http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd/ then? |
| 13:26.38 | Eclipser | is there a way to add groups to groups in linux? like have subgroups for some groups or something? :) |
| 13:26.39 | ecdemo | InfraRed: it -seems- like your install might be incomplete too |
| 13:26.40 | InfraRed | i used 3.1r1 i think |
| 13:26.45 | InfraRed | then upgraded to unstable |
| 13:26.50 | Braindead | mrbrdo: it's dead. |
| 13:26.51 | ecdemo | but that's not verified |
| 13:26.55 | InfraRed | used pxe install |
| 13:26.55 | mrbrdo | oh |
| 13:27.13 | mrbrdo | Braindead what's the state on the freebsd version? and why Kfreebsd? |
| 13:27.22 | tralala | InfraRed: so you've probably hit the update-rc.d bug that Braindead mentioned |
| 13:27.26 | ecdemo | oh, I remember my question now... |
| 13:27.30 | InfraRed | bugger |
| 13:27.31 | ecdemo | I want to try kdevelop |
| 13:27.38 | ecdemo | is that the right name for the ide? |
| 13:27.51 | InfraRed | any work around? |
| 13:27.52 | ecdemo | if so... is it the right package name? |
| 13:28.03 | tralala | InfraRed: /msg dpkg bts |
| 13:28.18 | Braindead | mrbrdo: dunno about the state. the k stands for "with freebsd *kernel*",the enviroment around it still is GNU |
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| 13:28.33 | ecdemo | InfraRed: you're running sid... could you say why? |
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| 13:28.46 | ecdemo | that is why do you want to |
| 13:28.48 | mrbrdo | Braindead does that mean that aside from the FreeBSD kernel, everything else is pretty much the same? no ports-style updating? |
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| 13:28.59 | InfraRed | ecdemo: i need php5 |
| 13:29.03 | ecdemo | ohh |
| 13:29.08 | Braindead | no ports-style whatsoever. unless you wanna use apt-build |
| 13:29.10 | ecdemo | you can have that with sarge |
| 13:29.18 | InfraRed | ok bugger |
| 13:29.21 | tralala | InfraRed: /msg dpkg backports |
| 13:29.30 | mrbrdo | Braindead that's so cool :) |
| 13:29.43 | Braindead | mrbrdo: gentoo is that way -> |
| 13:30.11 | ecdemo | InfraRed: other than that, do you want to be in the unstable frey? |
| 13:30.28 | InfraRed | well if i can get php5 on it |
| 13:30.41 | InfraRed | i can use stable |
| 13:30.42 | ecdemo | see what backports.org offers |
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| 13:31.05 | ecdemo | did they fix their package description pages? |
| 13:32.03 | ecdemo | hey, there are people on ninjam :) |
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| 13:32.42 | tijn | hi! |
| 13:32.44 | mrbrdo | Braindead do you think it should work if i install kfreebsd on another machine and then put the disk from that machine to another one (with different hardware)? |
| 13:32.50 | mrbrdo | Braindead if i install the base files |
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| 13:33.06 | mrbrdo | Braindead someone said it would work for the normal debian distribution |
| 13:33.37 | Fox | InfraRed: http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/p/php5/ |
| 13:33.48 | tijn | erhm who thinks this is a good idea: someone got a baby, and i have to a present, i was thinking about printing a little t-shirt with the words: cat /dev/child > /dev/world |
| 13:33.54 | tijn | i hav eto buy |
| 13:34.18 | tralala | mrbrdo: you can change the kernel at any point once you have your badpc running |
| 13:34.31 | Fox | tijn: geek attitude :) |
| 13:35.42 | hackeron_ | is there an option in diff to allow you to see files in 1 file not present in the other, regardless of where they appear in the file? |
| 13:35.49 | mrbrdo | tralala don't you think it would work if i use kfreebsd in the first place? if only the kernel is different and precompiled anyway it shouldn't make a difference |
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| 13:36.40 | mrbrdo | Braindead are there any major bugs to kfreebsd? Wiki says "The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD base system is fully functional, but there still a few major bugs that need to be fixed..." |
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| 13:37.39 | tralala | mrbrdo: my crystalball says that the chances are to work. However I don't know if it is to be trusted on thit one |
| 13:37.45 | tralala | this |
| 13:38.24 | mrbrdo | tralala sounds weird, if kfreebsd is an entire different port to debian, how can i just "change the kernel" after i install it? |
| 13:38.31 | tijn | fox, the dad is a geek so :) |
| 13:38.47 | mrbrdo | just apt-get the kernel and it will be the same as if i'd installed kfreebsd from their installcd in the first place? |
| 13:39.09 | mrbrdo | just sounds a bit weird, if everyone could just apt-get the new kernel afterwards, why they would even have their own installcd |
| 13:39.25 | Fox | tijn: then it's a good idea ;) |
| 13:40.01 | tijn | k thnx :D |
| 13:40.05 | tralala | mrbrdo: you're right actually. Perhaps it woon't be that simple. But why would you want to use kfreebsd? |
| 13:40.05 | FernandoMM | Hello, could someone tell me how can i upgrade python 2.3 to 2.4 on Debian Etch? |
| 13:40.40 | mrbrdo | tralala i kinda like and am used to the freebsd kernel, but i think debian is more user-friendly for my friend |
| 13:40.57 | tralala | FernandoMM: aptitude install python2.4 |
| 13:40.58 | mrbrdo | so i guess if i use a mix of both it should be great |
| 13:41.50 | FernandoMM | tralala: already done it, but python 2.3 isn't uninstalled and keep working since /usr/bin/python is linked to /usr/bin/python2.3 |
| 13:42.00 | tralala | FernandoMM: this will not actually upgrade 2.3 - it will only install 2.4. I think 2.3 is needed for some internal matters and can't be uninstalled |
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| 13:42.22 | tralala | FernandoMM: change the link to 2.4 |
| 13:42.23 | BleeeD | how can i burn ISO images |
| 13:42.26 | mrbrdo | tralala do u think it's not a good idea to try it? i have never tried it and don't know exactly what it's state is, but it sounds to be stable enough for what my friend needs |
| 13:42.28 | BleeeD | without nero |
| 13:42.38 | BleeeD | how can i burn iso images without nero |
| 13:42.43 | FernandoMM | tralala: is it safe to change the link? |
| 13:42.45 | azeem | BleeeD: on GNU/Linux? |
| 13:42.57 | BleeeD | no |
| 13:43.00 | BleeeD | on windows |
| 13:43.04 | BleeeD | i want to ake debian |
| 13:43.05 | BleeeD | bootable cd |
| 13:43.08 | azeem | BleeeD: please ask in a windows channel |
| 13:43.13 | azeem | we don't know |
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| 13:43.29 | BleeeD | i want to make debian bootable cd |
| 13:43.37 | azeem | I understand |
| 13:43.47 | BleeeD | i dont think that someone in windows know that :) |
| 13:44.02 | azeem | BleeeD: of course they do, it is the same procedure as with any other .iso burn |
| 13:44.12 | ootput | are any of you able to get sound in firefox when viewing youtube broadcasts? I've installed alsa-oss, and modified /etc/firefox/firefoxrc accordingly to no avail |
| 13:44.15 | azeem | whereas we don't know how to burn .iso in Windows |
| 13:44.54 | Braindead | BleeeD: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-windows |
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| 13:44.55 | tralala | FernandoMM: yes. However the Python in Etch is in transitional state right now so I don't know if it is such a good idea to use it. |
| 13:45.07 | BleeeD | tnx |
| 13:45.15 | ootput | there's ##windows, if need be |
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| 13:51.42 | Alien_Freak | hi all |
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| 13:52.35 | Alien_Freak | I'm trying to do an install of debian testing....the netboot cd won't find my CD rom...... if I download the 1st dvd, would that be enough to get a running system with xorg |
| 13:53.23 | cat | Alien_Freak: try messing with you're bios config |
| 13:54.10 | Alien_Freak | bios? every distro out there detects it.... why should I change my bios... it boots off the cd, it just can't load the driver for it |
| 13:54.15 | ootput | Alien_Freak: won't you still encounter the same (no-boot) error regardless of the media used? |
| 13:55.00 | cat | Alien_Freak: oh okay i though the cd, didnd't boot up, |
| 13:55.03 | cat | that's what i thought |
| 13:55.03 | Alien_Freak | ootput, if it has more modules, i'm hoping it would see the drive.....it is booting off the cd, then it prompts me to select a driver for the cd.... |
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| 13:55.22 | cydork | Alien_Freak: sata cd drive? |
| 13:55.25 | Alien_Freak | none of the modules on netboot seem to work... |
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| 13:56.43 | Alien_Freak | probably... one sec.. looking up the exact specs |
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| 13:56.54 | cydork | Alien_Freak: /msg dpkg etch sata |
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| 13:58.12 | wihen | is cdrkit going to use libburn? |
| 13:58.44 | Alien_Freak | okay.... thx... |
| 13:58.50 | tziku | Can somebody help me? Psybnc doesnt like kernel 2.6 (its crash, the proc is still running, but the port listening wasn successfully) anyone know why ?. |
| 13:58.58 | garo | Is there a other use for portmap then nfs ? |
| 13:58.58 | Alien_Freak | gtg reboot to try it out... if i'm not back in 10 minutes... it probably worked |
| 13:59.37 | Alien_Freak | thx again...laterz |
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| 14:00.47 | tziku | /s -m server irc.debian.org |
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| 14:00.58 | tziku | sorry |
| 14:01.04 | oKtosiTe | Hello everyone! I have a Gentoo based server with a "SCSI storage controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] 53c974 [PCscsi] (rev 10)" SCSI card. I used debootstrap to set up a (working) Debian Sarge backup system on the primary IDE disk. In Gentoo, the SCSI drive is accessible as /dev/sda, but in Debian I'm not sure whether I just need to find the correct device location, or the SCSI is not even working at all. |
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| 14:01.51 | cydork | oKtosiTe: which kernel are you using in sarge? |
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| 14:02.08 | oKtosiTe | cydork: the default kernel. |
| 14:02.41 | oKtosiTe | cydork: vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 14:03.03 | oKtosiTe | cydork: I also tried vmlinuz-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 14:03.52 | cydork | oKtosiTe: then it should name it as /dev/sda also |
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| 14:04.08 | oKtosiTe | cydork: well it's not, otherwise I wouldn't have asked. |
| 14:04.27 | oKtosiTe | *it doesn't |
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| 14:04.45 | bulio| | what is the file to edit the network configuration? |
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| 14:05.43 | cydork | oKtosiTe: then it's not detected or something |
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| 14:06.36 | jengelh | I have installed the jabber daemon (v1) and it got automatically started. But it is not listening on port 5222, how so? |
| 14:06.41 | oKtosiTe | cydork: obviously... |
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| 14:07.16 | oKtosiTe | jengelh: did you read the README.Debian? |
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| 14:09.08 | oKtosiTe | cydork: Guess I'll have to ask again later... |
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| 14:09.38 | cydork | oKtosiTe: i think that kernel might not support that controller but not too sure. |
| 14:10.03 | oKtosiTe | cydork: seems like a pretty standard (old) SCSI controller. |
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| 14:13.58 | cydork | oKtosiTe: http://www.dawicontrol.com/english/html/linux.htm |
| 14:14.24 | jengelh | oKtosiTe : What should I find in there? It's just general information. |
| 14:14.45 | cydork | oKtosiTe: it's a preety old site, so i think it's supported in 2.6.8 |
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| 14:16.00 | oKtosiTe | jengelh: Perhaps I was wrong to suggest that... |
| 14:16.21 | jengelh | strange things is because jabberd2 does listen on some ports (not including 5222 sigh) |
| 14:16.51 | oKtosiTe | cydork: I'm sure it should be, it's supported by vanilla kernels, and coldplugged in Gentoo... |
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| 14:17.29 | yanis_ | what is the way in debian to run 'modules-update' ? |
| 14:17.33 | oKtosiTe | cydork: the point is... this is for my server, and everytime I want to try something, it means bringing the server down. |
| 14:18.41 | yanis_ | so as to propagate changes in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 14:18.42 | yanis_ | ? |
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| 14:27.12 | cydork | oKtosiTe: then it's best to install the latest kernel . |
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| 14:28.03 | oKtosiTe | cydork: This is the latest kernel. It's a _server_. I'm not gonna run testing. |
| 14:28.56 | oKtosiTe | cydork: perhpas I'll just wait with this 'till Etch is stable. |
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| 14:29.31 | cydork | oKtosiTe: ya i can understand. but you can install 2.6.16 on sarge /msg dpkg 2.6.16 but the problem is security i guess. |
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| 14:30.23 | jetscreamer | yanis_: update-modules |
| 14:31.06 | jetscreamer | yanis there's a bunch of update-blahs.. locate update- .. |
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| 14:38.42 | oKtosiTe | cydork: Maybe all I need is a simple modprobe xyz? I'm looking for the proper module name. |
| 14:38.47 | manioul_ | argh! |
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| 14:40.08 | oKtosiTe | cydork: tmscsim |
| 14:40.57 | oKtosiTe | cydork: it _is_ included with 2.6.8 - time to bring down the server. |
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| 14:41.42 | cydork | oKtosiTe: best luck :) |
| 14:41.54 | oKtosiTe | cydork: right after my new Gentoo kernel finished compiling and I put on my shoes. Thanks for your advice (-; |
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| 14:43.06 | cydork | !gentoosmite oKtosiTe |
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| 14:44.39 | JordiGH | Where's the place to ask about licenses, DFSG, Debianisation, and all that? |
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| 14:46.00 | tziku | Can somebody help me? Psybnc doesnt like kernel 2.6 (its crash, the proc is still running, but the port listening wasn successfully) anyone know why ? Here is the strace log: http://89.34.4.2/strace |
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| 14:47.50 | roxy_ | is there a small prog to translate from utf8 to something else ? |
| 14:48.31 | JordiGH | roxy_: Firefox? |
| 14:48.46 | JordiGH | roxy_: For Western European, I take it. |
| 14:48.55 | roxy_ | JordiGH: no, I need to do it from a script |
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| 14:49.30 | JordiGH | roxy_: And you know that all of the UTF-8 only contains Western European characters? |
| 14:49.38 | ootput | fairly simple with perl + Text::Iconv |
| 14:49.58 | nyk | I get a mail every hour from cron: /bin/sh: line 1: root: command not found. But when I try run-part --test (or report) on /etc/cron.hourly, I do not get any error. where might it come from? |
| 14:50.01 | ootput | recoding to 8859-1 |
| 14:50.54 | roxy_ | JordiGH: yes. I got an output from mdb-schema in utf8 and need it latin1 |
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| 14:51.39 | LoRez | nyk: root's crontab. try sudo crontab -e |
| 14:51.45 | neenaoffline | how do I reconfigure an installed package using apt ? |
| 14:52.09 | JordiGH | neenaoffline: dpkg-reconfigure packagename. Gotta go lower than apt, I'm afraid. |
| 14:52.10 | Braindead | neenaoffline: dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 14:52.12 | RichiH | dpkg-reconfigure foo |
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| 14:52.18 | RichiH | Braindead: bleh |
| 14:52.20 | ecdemo | well root has a crontab like a user has a crontab... then there's also /etc/crontab |
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| 14:52.25 | Braindead | :P |
| 14:52.28 | JordiGH | I prefer my own metasyntactic variable. |
| 14:52.30 | p3rti | someone have a good webpage for download videos of GNU/Linux in a lot of languages... like.. movies of linex.. |
| 14:52.43 | ecdemo | fleupieu? |
| 14:52.53 | ecdemo | ^metasyntatic variable name |
| 14:52.55 | JordiGH | p3rti: This reminds me that I want to check out the firefox clips. |
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| 14:53.38 | p3rti | ¿? |
| 14:53.40 | ootput | p3rti: i've only seen movies of distro-installation, or DEs such as xfce |
| 14:53.53 | nyk | LoRez: but the crontab looks ok... Just like /etc/crontab. Its just evoking the stuff in /etc/cron.* dirs... |
| 14:54.04 | cydork | p3rti: there is http://osvids.com/ but it has other things than linux. |
| 14:54.09 | ecdemo | ootput: hmm? never did one yourself? |
| 14:54.12 | p3rti | ootput, :( too bad.. i want like a webpage that say "THis is the webpage of LINUX" |
| 14:54.13 | p3rti | jejej |
| 14:54.16 | LoRez | nyk: in root's crontab, you don't specify the username. |
| 14:54.17 | cydork | s/it/it also/ |
| 14:54.24 | ootput | ecdemo: for an openbsd installation, but not for linux |
| 14:54.30 | LoRez | nyk: s/root/user/ |
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| 14:55.04 | ecdemo | well if you do ever decide to try debian, one thing is for really sure... |
| 14:55.36 | nyk | LoRez: I can't run the jobs as root? |
| 14:55.38 | ootput | ecdemo: what's that? |
| 14:55.40 | ecdemo | it's different |
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| 14:55.49 | ootput | how so? |
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| 14:55.58 | ecdemo | lots of ways |
| 14:56.01 | nyk | LoRez: I thought you ONLY specify the username ins root's crontab.. |
| 14:56.15 | ecdemo | I mean, you can't necessarily tell at the user level |
| 14:56.23 | LoRez | nyk: sure you can, you just don't specify the username it runs as in a "user's" crontab. the fact that it's root's crontab means it runs as root. |
| 14:56.28 | ootput | ecdemo: eh? |
| 14:56.33 | ootput | ecdemo: are you still talking to me? |
| 14:56.33 | ecdemo | but admin/software installation/upgrades are totally different |
| 14:56.44 | ecdemo | yeah, I think :) |
| 14:56.44 | LoRez | nyk: /etc/cron* files have to have the username in them. those aren't "root's" crontabs. |
| 14:56.53 | amphi | ecdemo: different from what? |
| 14:56.53 | JordiGH | p3rti: I meant, http://www.firefoxflicks.com/ |
| 14:57.04 | ecdemo | didn't you say you've installed bsd but never debian? |
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| 14:57.28 | ootput | no, i said that I've recorded movies of openbsd installations |
| 14:57.31 | ootput | but not linux |
| 14:57.35 | ecdemo | ohh |
| 14:57.46 | ecdemo | n3v3r m1nb |
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| 14:58.32 | p3rti | JordiGH, i'm from colombia :( |
| 14:58.38 | ecdemo | I thought you meant seen them and thought that also implied you never did it yourself |
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| 14:58.54 | nyk | LoRez: ok, I try root crontab without "root" specified in it |
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| 14:59.09 | LoRez | nyk: man 5 crontab # :) |
| 14:59.36 | JordiGH | p3rti: And that is a cause for sorrow? |
| 14:59.41 | ecdemo | !info kdevelop |
| 14:59.44 | dpkg | kdevelop: (An IDE for Unix/X11), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 7931 kB, Installed size: 24700 kB |
| 14:59.54 | nyk | LoRez: thanks |
| 15:00.02 | p3rti | JordiGH, no.. but maybe i make some mistakes on my english.. |
| 15:00.03 | ecdemo | !info kdevelop sarge |
| 15:00.18 | ecdemo | ohh, no kdevelop in sarge |
| 15:00.22 | p3rti | JordiGH, like english people that talk in spanish.. and the people help him without any problem. :) |
| 15:00.36 | JordiGH | Is kdbg part of kdevelop, or does kdevelop has its own nifty thing? |
| 15:01.01 | ecdemo | I imagine it uses gdb as the base debugger |
| 15:01.14 | JordiGH | p3rti: No worries, mate. I didn't mean to pick on your English. It's a second language for me too. I need to append more smileys to my sentences. ;-) |
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| 15:01.43 | p3rti | JordiGH, lol |
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| 15:01.54 | itc | hello |
| 15:02.04 | ecdemo | !info ninjam |
| 15:02.12 | itc | how do I add a driver during netinstall ? won't find my arc raid device by itself |
| 15:02.21 | cydork | !tell ecdemo about msg the bot |
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| 15:03.07 | gles | hi all |
| 15:03.42 | gles | i have the problem with the instal of debian 3.1r1 |
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| 15:04.09 | ecdemo | itc: ok, probably they need... version of debian you're installing, especially which kernel... and they need to know what is this raid device exactly |
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| 15:04.28 | ecdemo | then they can help you maybe :) |
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| 15:04.54 | itc | they have some bs of driver which works very well but i have to use some shity disks, don't have netinstall |
| 15:05.35 | ecdemo | itc: hmm |
| 15:05.39 | hobophobe | wha? why can't you use net install? |
| 15:05.49 | ecdemo | he has special storage |
| 15:05.53 | itc | because of that disks |
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| 15:06.03 | ecdemo | driver issue |
| 15:06.10 | itc | I cannot start with the netinstall cd and I cannot continue with the boot disk from raid vendor |
| 15:06.13 | hobophobe | You're trying to install directly on the RAID? |
| 15:06.20 | anapivirtua | Pom Pom Pom² |
| 15:06.27 | cydork | !smack anapivirtua |
| 15:06.51 | hobophobe | I think if this is an option, you could do a very minimal install on a non-RAID and then migrate it over? I've read this is a good way to do it anyway. |
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| 15:07.24 | Braindead | live cd + debootstrap is an option |
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| 15:07.33 | hobophobe | What kind of RAID are we talking? |
| 15:07.37 | ecdemo | yeah, that's an easy solution if you have extra storage |
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| 15:07.43 | itc | soem hardware raid |
| 15:07.45 | itc | raid5 |
| 15:07.51 | ecdemo | which exactly? |
| 15:07.52 | hobophobe | Are you sure it's really a hardware raid? |
| 15:08.02 | ecdemo | separate box? |
| 15:08.04 | hobophobe | A lot of times it just looks like hardware |
| 15:08.32 | itc | very sure have the boxes of it in my hand |
| 15:08.33 | itc | :) |
| 15:08.40 | Braindead | a lot of times crappy raid *software* controllers + proprietary drivers can't match plain kernel RAID |
| 15:08.42 | itc | it's not some shity onboard controller |
| 15:08.47 | Braindead | ah ok |
| 15:08.48 | itc | just bought it, 400$ |
| 15:08.59 | itc | PCI-X sata raid controller |
| 15:09.08 | ecdemo | do the drivers come as source? |
| 15:09.09 | Fox | sometimes people buy shit you know :) |
| 15:09.22 | Fox | even for 400$ :) |
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| 15:09.29 | itc | have the sources of drivers also |
| 15:09.31 | hobophobe | I know I do :oP |
| 15:09.39 | itc | I have to use the main debian cd to install it |
| 15:09.42 | hobophobe | (or have, at least) |
| 15:09.45 | Fox | *that* is a good point itc :) |
| 15:09.51 | ecdemo | itc: good... so we have a last resort position |
| 15:09.53 | itc | but the problem is I don't have enough time to download the whole cd |
| 15:10.02 | nyk | is there a tools that converts an "online html manual" of something in a pdf? like wget, html2latex and pdflatex combined? |
| 15:10.10 | ecdemo | got a plain ide drive lying around? |
| 15:10.47 | ecdemo | nyk: that's why you can have scripts :) |
| 15:10.57 | itc | ide not but got a sata bs |
| 15:10.59 | ecdemo | to make those kinds of combinations |
| 15:11.08 | ecdemo | would that work |
| 15:11.11 | JordiGH | nyk: Oftentimes these manuals are formed from TeXinfo files. Check with the manual writer. |
| 15:11.13 | nyk | ecdemo: yeah.. :) |
| 15:11.18 | itc | and it sees the sata cause is using that generic intel piXX bla bla |
| 15:11.43 | nyk | JordiGH: this is one isn't.. ok well with the right wget it should be easy.. |
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| 15:12.05 | itc | I see debian has lots of cd's for some reasons... what cd-s do I need for a minimal install ? |
| 15:12.15 | JordiGH | itc: Just the first one. And not even that. |
| 15:12.16 | JordiGH | !d-i |
| 15:12.17 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 15:12.21 | ecdemo | well you could use the netinstall |
| 15:12.23 | Benny | Hi, in which log does SSH safe the last Login IP ? |
| 15:12.33 | itc | http://ftp.lug.ro/debian-cd/3.1_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r3-i386-binary-1.iso will that suite me |
| 15:12.33 | itc | ? |
| 15:12.39 | JordiGH | Benny: Auth.og, I think. |
| 15:12.41 | ecdemo | you kinda don't need any cds |
| 15:12.48 | ecdemo | depending on your setup and networking |
| 15:13.37 | oKtosiTe | screen -r |
| 15:13.37 | oKtosiTe | oops |
| 15:13.37 | itc | u're not readong what I say :D i cannot boot the system with netinstall since it won't find the hard drive |
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| 15:13.38 | oKtosiTe | what the hell is wrong with me |
| 15:13.38 | oKtosiTe | lol |
| 15:13.38 | ecdemo | you're already attached |
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| 15:13.51 | ecdemo | joined at the hip |
| 15:14.01 | ecdemo | take an operation to separate you |
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| 15:14.54 | JordiGH | itc: If the netinstall didn't find your hard drive, it's unlikely that downloading a full CD will help you, as it uses the same installation application (I think). |
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| 15:15.07 | ecdemo | itc: so you don't have a spare ide drive lying around? |
| 15:15.32 | p3rti | can i make multiseat with a video card with dual monitor output? |
| 15:15.45 | ecdemo | maybe |
| 15:15.49 | JordiGH | p3rti: Multiseat? |
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| 15:16.00 | Fox | Benny: /var/log/wtmp |
| 15:16.10 | p3rti | JordiGH, yes.. have two monitors, with two keyboards and two mouse.. |
| 15:16.15 | ecdemo | I guess you'll need 2 kbds, 2 mice, 2 monitors |
| 15:16.15 | JordiGH | p3rti: If you're talking about dual monitors, I think I had to download proprietary drivers last time I wanted to get that done. :-/ |
| 15:16.17 | p3rti | JordiGH, working all together. |
| 15:16.25 | cydork | p3rti: /msg dpkg xinerama |
| 15:16.31 | p3rti | xinerama? |
| 15:16.35 | Devil_Kin | hey folks.. any hints on how to get grub booting my winxp on amd64? It hangs after the 'chainloader +1' message on the screen |
| 15:17.08 | ecdemo | what partition is your xp on |
| 15:17.14 | Devil_Kin | sda1 |
| 15:17.19 | Devil_Kin | being the first on the first disk |
| 15:17.21 | Devil_Kin | type 0x07 |
| 15:17.21 | ecdemo | scsi? |
| 15:17.25 | Devil_Kin | sata |
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| 15:17.55 | ecdemo | what is sda on your grub (device.map) |
| 15:18.06 | Devil_Kin | when i reinstate the old mbr (using fdisk /mbr under DOS) winxp boots, but then i've lost my linux.. |
| 15:18.20 | p3rti | cydork, i want to users on 1 pc! |
| 15:18.27 | Devil_Kin | ecdemo: (hd0) /dev/sda |
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| 15:19.00 | ecdemo | can you boot from floppy, do you have a blank? can you make a grub floppy? |
| 15:19.07 | alexandrekeller | hi there |
| 15:19.27 | alexandrekeller | anyone can help me to customize a debian installation ?! |
| 15:19.29 | Devil_Kin | ecdemo: that i'll have to do at home, i'm remote atm |
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| 15:19.36 | cydork | p3rti: then you want multi head?? |
| 15:19.53 | ecdemo | remote? I'm not sure what you can do remotely |
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| 15:20.31 | Devil_Kin | ecdemo: well, i'm at work, box is at home, so well :p i can try making a bootdisk at home in 3 hours |
| 15:20.35 | ecdemo | alexandrekeller: that's a really big question which is very likely composed of many different issues |
| 15:20.37 | p3rti | cydork, yes.. but with multi keyboard and multi mouse :) |
| 15:20.51 | Devil_Kin | ecdemo: /whois paster |
| 15:20.52 | JordiGH | Is "file" a coreutil? |
| 15:20.53 | alexandrekeller | any suggestion ?! |
| 15:20.54 | Devil_Kin | ah |
| 15:21.06 | Devil_Kin | sorry |
| 15:21.10 | JordiGH | !anyone |
| 15:21.10 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:21.10 | alexandrekeller | where to start ?! |
| 15:21.16 | cydork | p3rti: check http://linuxgazette.net/124/smith.html |
| 15:21.46 | ecdemo | alexandrekeller: you can customize absolutely everything, each in many MANY ways |
| 15:21.52 | section3 | anyone know why my shell sessions times out or something when I"m logged in via my ssh client (putty) |
| 15:21.54 | ecdemo | so you need to be really specific |
| 15:21.56 | Devil_Kin | ecdemo: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3654 -- looks correct, no? |
| 15:21.58 | ecdemo | and take one thing at a time |
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| 15:22.47 | ecdemo | I think you have to put space in there |
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| 15:22.54 | JordiGH | Crap. |
| 15:22.58 | ecdemo | chainloader (hd0,0)+1 |
| 15:23.14 | alexandrekeller | I need an auto install with apache + mysql + php and some customized htmls files |
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| 15:23.38 | ecdemo | alexandrekeller: auto install? |
| 15:23.55 | Devil_Kin | ecdemo: k, i'll try that tonight (rebooting) and the boot floppy and all |
| 15:23.59 | ecdemo | first off... you can just install the appropriate packages |
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| 15:24.08 | alexandrekeller | yes, wherer the user doesn't need to answer any questions... |
| 15:24.16 | alexandrekeller | with everything already set |
| 15:24.20 | cydork | alexandrekeller: /msg dpkg custom cd |
| 15:24.22 | p3rti | cydork, ok.. that's fine.. but i'm trying to do with one card that have two video output i dont know if i can.. |
| 15:24.22 | JordiGH | Why is that people are so afraid of the GPL? Freedom is good. Look at Firefox vs IE. Wikipedia vs e2. |
| 15:24.27 | alexandrekeller | ok |
| 15:24.32 | wols_ | alexandrekeller: FAI: ahttp://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 15:24.32 | ecdemo | alexandrekeller: looks like you'll have to write some scripts :) |
| 15:24.43 | JordiGH | I grumble because Singular is not DFSG, and all the work I've been doing towards Debianising it may be in vain |
| 15:24.46 | cydork | p3rti: it's fine, |
| 15:24.59 | cydork | alexandrekeller: and best luck :) |
| 15:25.00 | alexandrekeller | thanks |
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| 15:25.19 | JordiGH | Thankfully, I haven't done much work besides reading docs yet. :P |
| 15:25.31 | piper69_ | good morning everybody |
| 15:25.36 | ecdemo | JordiGH: oh right, you want to be a devel |
| 15:25.56 | ecdemo | which is not to be confused with a devIl :) |
| 15:26.09 | cydork | ecdemo: i was typing that . |
| 15:26.10 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:26.10 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 15:26.25 | JordiGH | I want to be a maint. |
| 15:26.33 | ecdemo | tarzeau likes popcon :) |
| 15:26.46 | JordiGH | ecdemo: I have found terrible thing in Singular. :-( |
| 15:26.49 | tarzeau | JordiGH: be one! |
| 15:26.54 | ecdemo | this is like the 4th time I've seen him trigger that factoid |
| 15:27.02 | xopher | How do I add repositories in a pbuilder environment? |
| 15:27.03 | tarzeau | JordiGH: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
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| 15:27.25 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Unfortunately, I'm running into licensing issues. |
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| 15:27.37 | tarzeau | JordiGH: which license? which software? |
| 15:27.45 | tarzeau | JordiGH: can you buy the software? |
| 15:27.53 | JordiGH | One person wrote a key library for the package I want to Debianise, and although everything else is GPLed, this dude seems to have an issue with the GPL. |
| 15:28.02 | ecdemo | xopher: you build the env, it saves it as a targz |
| 15:28.07 | tarzeau | JordiGH: debian doesn't require it to be GPL |
| 15:28.09 | JordiGH | http://www.mathematik.uni-kl.de/ftp/pub/Math/Singular/SOURCES/3-0-2/Singular-3-0-2.tar.gz |
| 15:28.14 | tarzeau | JordiGH: it's enough if it's DFSG compliant |
| 15:28.25 | ecdemo | when you chroot into it, you can alter its sources.list and go from there |
| 15:28.45 | JordiGH | tarzeau: But it requires you to able to modify the code. This dude doesn't want anyone touching his code, even though he's no longer part of the project he contributed to, and the email address he provides is no longer valid. |
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| 15:29.06 | tarzeau | JordiGH: who has the copyright on the code, if someone at all? |
| 15:29.37 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Sorry that I gave you a link to all of the sources, but I haven't been able to find all of the copyright statements elsewhere. |
| 15:29.37 | tarzeau | JordiGH: what's the licensing? |
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| 15:29.41 | JordiGH | tarzeau: it's a mess. Singular itself is GPLed, but its license says that its components can override the GPL. One of the components says you can't modify the code. |
| 15:29.42 | tarzeau | JordiGH: the question is, are there copyrights. if yes, what license does the software have? |
| 15:30.03 | tarzeau | JordiGH: what say the other people that also wrote code? |
| 15:30.15 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Everyone else is cool and DFSG-friendly. |
| 15:30.20 | tarzeau | JordiGH: guess you want the ml debian-legal |
| 15:30.30 | tarzeau | JordiGH: bad luck for you, dude. rip his code off |
| 15:30.37 | tarzeau | JordiGH: and repackage the tarball as -dfsg |
| 15:30.47 | tarzeau | JordiGH: how much files/lines of code is of that anti gpl guy? |
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| 15:31.00 | JordiGH | Unfortunately, I can't build Singular without this guy's code. |
| 15:31.02 | JordiGH | Argh! |
| 15:31.18 | tarzeau | JordiGH: alot of software died like that |
| 15:31.25 | tarzeau | JordiGH: life goes on |
| 15:31.33 | tarzeau | JordiGH: i'm glad *i* don't need that software |
| 15:31.36 | JordiGH | It's a friggin memory allocation library. The guy isn't even interested in participating in the project anymore. |
| 15:31.47 | JordiGH | Heck, he was probably kicked out. |
| 15:31.53 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Quick question: What's the easiest, quickest, apt-get-able way to set up virtual machines in sarge? i mean, virtual sarge machines to try stuff on and the like |
| 15:31.54 | tarzeau | JordiGH: replace it |
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| 15:32.13 | tarzeau | Jimmymaniac: the easiest is to get real computers and use them |
| 15:32.53 | tarzeau | JordiGH: ask someone else who does |
| 15:32.57 | Jimmymaniac | tarzeau: and the next choice? cheapness is involved too ;) |
| 15:33.10 | tarzeau | Jimmymaniac: qemu? |
| 15:33.19 | ecdemo | itc: so if you -do- have a spare drive... know that using that is probably the easiest way to go, if the typical problems involving sata drivers exist for you... if I recall correctly we still dont' know exactly what versions and models of everything you're working with |
| 15:34.09 | Jimmymaniac | tarzeau: getting info on that one, looks good from a glance, thanks |
| 15:34.10 | ecdemo | as opposed to what, a toaster with a 6502 builtin? :) |
| 15:34.25 | JordiGH | Hmm... |
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| 15:34.33 | JordiGH | I wonder who would be interested in coding this. |
| 15:34.45 | JordiGH | It looks like replacing it will be quite complicated. :-/ |
| 15:34.53 | ecdemo | have you checked out setl? |
| 15:34.58 | tarzeau | JordiGH: there's probably quite some people |
| 15:35.09 | ecdemo | I'm not sure what you're doing mathwise... |
| 15:35.35 | ecdemo | or scilab |
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| 15:36.23 | raf256 | what the hell? suddenly (kernel change) my win+x shortcut keys stoped from working?! |
| 15:36.27 | JordiGH | ecdemo: Singular is highly specialised software. In fact, it's not even the area I work in. But something has to be done. It's very good, it's well-known amongst the right people, it's still actively maintained and used, and it's *almost* free. |
| 15:36.31 | raf256 | (also KDE update I think) |
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| 15:37.49 | ecdemo | JordiGH: I'd consider the question of "if this guy was kicked out, how is it the remaining members are able to alter and distribute the stuff" |
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| 15:38.21 | JordiGH | ecdemo: The guy's license says that his code can be distributed within the core Singular developers. |
| 15:38.46 | w3rdn4 | http://myspace-936.vo.llnwd.net/01006/63/91/1006661936_l.jpg |
| 15:38.49 | JordiGH | ecdemo: Er, not core developers to the "copyright holders of Singular". |
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| 15:39.11 | JordiGH | Dude's got issues with having long-bearded Americans touch his code, I guess. |
| 15:39.17 | raf256 | wtf is singular |
| 15:39.23 | stiopa | hello, I've difficulti in finding some etch repo to browse available packages, can you halp me with some URL? |
| 15:39.26 | JordiGH | raf256: Highly specialised mathematical software. |
| 15:40.19 | cydork | stiopa: http://packages.debian.org/testing/ |
| 15:40.40 | stiopa | cydork, thanks |
| 15:40.42 | whaq | that's pretty sexy |
| 15:41.41 | garo | When i run apt-get install harden on debian(stable) i get this : http://pasteit.org/view.php?num=97 |
| 15:41.53 | garo | Is debian stable not stable ? |
| 15:42.55 | cydork | JordiGH: but dont they already i have debian packages? |
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| 15:43.19 | wols_ | garo: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/harden . it depends on harden-servrs |
| 15:43.41 | azeem | garo: what does apt-get install harden-servers say? |
| 15:43.48 | JordiGH | cydork: They have made dotdebs themselves, but they don't confrom to the Debian policy. |
| 15:44.23 | garo | It wants to remove nfs-common, pidentd and portmap |
| 15:44.32 | JordiGH | cydork: E.g. the license terms weren't installed in /usr/share/doc when I installed those dotdebs. I had to get the original source to find out that there was a problematic component. |
| 15:44.40 | azeem | garo: that's strange |
| 15:44.50 | azeem | garo: what does apt-cache policy harden-servers say? |
| 15:45.45 | cydork | JordiGH: oh ok. if you see that guy on the street give him a piece of my mind also :) |
| 15:46.01 | garo | http://pasteit.org/view.php?num=99 |
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| 15:48.27 | azeem | garo: I don't understand that, sorry |
| 15:48.30 | azeem | garo: please file a bug |
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| 15:56.20 | JordiGH | I really need to stop using BitchX... but I had problems compiling irssi for OpenBSD. :-/ |
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| 15:59.29 | blackelf | JordiGH: whats wrong with this bitch> |
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| 16:02.14 | ecdemo | blackelf: you've been trolled by an offhand comparison probably... it was also likely unintentional... |
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| 16:04.06 | JordiGH | As far as I can tell, BitchX isn't obeying my .bitchxrc file that says to turn off auto-away. |
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| 16:05.12 | garo | (How) Can I get a dependencytree of all packages on my system ? |
| 16:05.12 | ecdemo | hmm |
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| 16:05.20 | ecdemo | I wonder if this would help |
| 16:05.24 | ecdemo | !bitchx fix |
| 16:05.39 | ecdemo | oh well :) was worth a shot |
| 16:06.22 | JordiGH | dpkg is quite schizophrenic about BithcX. |
| 16:06.25 | JordiGH | !bitchx |
| 16:06.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, bitchx is a fine irc-client build on epic and ircII. as a debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible, or not as good as irssi, and needs less moronic /quit messages, or if you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, "/ignore -regexp -pattern BX QUITS" |
| 16:06.29 | ecdemo | I doubt this, but I wonder if bitchx is picky about the permissions |
| 16:07.58 | JordiGH | I'm naughty, and I mix Marillat packages with Debian packages without so much as a second thought anymore. Is it possible to view .mov files from Debian? |
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| 16:09.09 | ethyope | yes, its possible |
| 16:09.25 | sufa | could anyone recomend a firewall? |
| 16:09.32 | Hoxzer | shorewall :) |
| 16:09.34 | ethyope | iptables, ipfw |
| 16:10.38 | sufa | any otheres? |
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| 16:10.41 | sufa | others* |
| 16:11.05 | ethyope | sufa you can work with netfilter package, i think it is all that you need |
| 16:11.43 | ecdemo | sufa: the material between the passenger compartment and the engine |
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| 16:12.40 | ecdemo | what do you want to do exactly? how can anyone recommend without knowing that? I might recommend one of those plastic things with the builtin hub |
| 16:12.51 | sufa | heh, no |
| 16:13.20 | sufa | im looking for something that could act like peer guardian |
| 16:13.31 | ecdemo | dunno what that is |
| 16:13.43 | cydork | sufa: what the hell is peer guadian? |
| 16:13.50 | sufa | but, if there isnt anything or that is impractical than i just want the best/easiest firewall |
| 16:14.14 | sufa | win app, filters things that people who use p2p are affraid of |
| 16:14.22 | cydork | sufa: try guarddog, firestarter. but i hate those things. |
| 16:14.47 | ecdemo | best and easiest means nothing... a firewall is a router and there are way wayyyyy too many possibilities of what a router does to recommend anything without knowing your requirements |
| 16:14.59 | JordiGH | Victory! |
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| 16:15.02 | JordiGH | http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/linux-wins-over-new-fans/2006/09/04/1157222061911.html |
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| 16:15.06 | JordiGH | well, a small victory. |
| 16:15.14 | sufa | ecdemo, its just a standalone linux box |
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| 16:15.29 | ljlolel | how do I use fsck to start partitioning an external drive? |
| 16:15.34 | ljlolel | fsck /dev/sda ? |
| 16:16.02 | ecdemo | I mean, you could take a debian box, put two nics on it, configure one for the "outside" and one for the inside, and then apt-get install ipmasq |
| 16:16.11 | ethyope | ljlolel yes :) |
| 16:16.22 | wols_ | ljlolel: you don't use fsck. you use fdisk |
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| 16:16.30 | Mxyzpltk | ljlolel: fsck is file system check, to partition you probably mean fdisk |
| 16:16.39 | ljlolel | oooh thanks |
| 16:16.45 | sufa | ecdemo i dont want to do that |
| 16:16.47 | ecdemo | but who knows how many IPs you have, whether you want them brought through directly or not, if not, whether you have ports you want forwarded, if so which |
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| 16:17.01 | sufa | your not even listening |
| 16:17.11 | ecdemo | you still haven't said anything about what you want |
| 16:17.15 | sufa | i want a basic, easy firewall |
| 16:17.21 | ecdemo | what is that??! |
| 16:17.23 | ecdemo | :) |
| 16:17.29 | ecdemo | see |
| 16:17.34 | cydork | sufa: scroll up i gave some suggestions |
| 16:17.37 | wols_ | sufa: this does not exist. nowhere |
| 16:17.42 | ecdemo | you don't understand how many possibilies there are |
| 16:17.45 | sufa | thanks cydork |
| 16:17.54 | sufa | i saw them |
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| 16:18.01 | xopher | how can I install an application to my pbuilder image? |
| 16:18.15 | ecdemo | do you know what ipmasq does? |
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| 16:18.38 | ecdemo | xopher: that's not what pbuilder is for |
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| 16:18.51 | ecdemo | it builds packages, and that's -all- |
| 16:18.58 | sufa | cydork i need something without a gui or can be run in text mode |
| 16:19.24 | xopher | ecdemo, I know, but when the package doesnt list all the dependencies |
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| 16:19.55 | ecdemo | in fact, what it does is this: downloads source of the package, downloads whatever is needed to build that package, builds the package, then gets rid of the extra build depends for that package |
| 16:19.58 | ljlolel | in fdisk, how do i use the +sizeM option to specify mb? |
| 16:20.09 | cydork | sufa: check http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls |
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| 16:20.14 | sufa | thanks |
| 16:20.15 | ethyope | ljlolel 13M |
| 16:20.19 | ljlolel | ooh lol |
| 16:20.19 | xopher | hmm, well Im getting a pkg-config error, any idea why? |
| 16:20.22 | ecdemo | maybe you can do that... |
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| 16:20.26 | wols_ | litage: or use cfdisk |
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| 16:20.40 | ecdemo | no, what exactly is the error |
| 16:21.02 | ecdemo | I think my favorite word here is "exactly" |
| 16:21.07 | ljlolel | it's +13M |
| 16:21.18 | p3rti | hi.. this question it's maybe stupid. .but i want to know.. i have my mainboard with onboard video card.. if i plug a external video card can i use both? |
| 16:21.28 | xopher | wait a sec, Im running the build process again |
| 16:21.34 | petemc | p3rti: yes |
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| 16:22.00 | p3rti | petemc, how i dot that? because if i connect the monitor to the internal video card it doesnt show anything |
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| 16:22.19 | ecdemo | xopher: when you find the missing thing, you could add it to the control file of the package you';re building |
| 16:22.22 | Hoxzer | hoxu......... who the hell is hoxu ..... aargh |
| 16:22.23 | linnuxxy | how can i get the csv2po working on sarge? |
| 16:22.26 | petemc | p3rti: no, it wouldnt unless you configure it to do so |
| 16:22.27 | cydork | p3rti: you have to configure both of them in xorg.conf |
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| 16:22.48 | p3rti | cydork, but when i make lspci it only show the agp video card |
| 16:22.51 | petemc | p3rti: http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/xorg.conf , this is a configuration that works for me |
| 16:23.11 | ljlolel | is NTFS 7? |
| 16:23.13 | xopher | ecdemo, here is the error : http://pastebin.ca/164420 |
| 16:23.15 | ljlolel | hpfs = ntfs? |
| 16:23.22 | linnuxxy | how can i get the csv2po working on sarge? |
| 16:23.47 | petemc | p3rti: you may need to poke some options in the bios |
| 16:23.57 | p3rti | petemc, ok i iwll do it |
| 16:24.05 | ljlolel | if iwant ntfs, i dont select type 86, ntfs volume set right? |
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| 16:24.22 | ljlolel | i select 7, hpfs/ntfs |
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| 16:24.39 | wols_ | ljlolel: you don't want ntfs in the first place. not as long as you run linux |
| 16:24.45 | wols_ | do ntfs in windows |
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| 16:25.00 | ljlolel | wols_, well, this is for a window computer |
| 16:25.01 | JordiGH | Any Russian speakers? I was told that that it's incorrect to say "svabodniy softvare", and that I should say "friy softvare" instead (forgive the transliteration). Is this correct? |
| 16:25.04 | Heston | how do i get a list of all my installed packages, i looked at dpgk but didnt see any relevant flags |
| 16:25.07 | ljlolel | oh, how do i do this in windows? |
| 16:25.09 | ecdemo | xopher: maybe your package has to build-depend on pkg-config |
| 16:25.16 | ljlolel | but i can do it here, right |
| 16:25.19 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 16:25.19 | dpkg | [qotd155] <_mark> abrotman, that doesn't make sense. Why should I not be able to install a program. I didn't even have permission to install to /usr/local because I didn't have permission toinstal to /usr! That is nuts! |
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| 16:25.27 | wols_ | ljlolel: then run windows, not debian |
| 16:25.35 | ljlolel | it's not for me dude |
| 16:25.40 | xopher | ecdemo, probably, and thats why I was asking how to install pkg-config to the image : ), any ideas? |
| 16:25.43 | wols_ | ljlolel: no you cannot do it in linux |
| 16:25.48 | ljlolel | hm |
| 16:26.07 | wols_ | Heston: dpkg -l |
| 16:26.07 | ecdemo | xopher: if you add it to your package's control file, it will automatically get it |
| 16:26.29 | ecdemo | I've been telling you how it's done for awhile now :) |
| 16:26.45 | ecdemo | is this a package you are authoring? |
| 16:26.53 | jelly | !qotd80 |
| 16:26.54 | dpkg | hmm... qotd80 is <toresbe> Holy shit! <toresbe> My Ultra 1 is streaming kernel panics! <toresbe> oh crap - It's the BSOD screensaver <toresbe> I fall for that motherfucker every time |
| 16:27.09 | Heston | wols_, ah ok, seems to be in the man page, not in --help though |
| 16:27.30 | xopher | lets see now |
| 16:27.37 | ljlolel | i see, mkfs doesn't make ntfs |
| 16:27.45 | ecdemo | look at the debian/control file |
| 16:27.53 | xopher | ecdemo, no, there's just not a version for amd64 |
| 16:28.02 | roberts | If I install something from source, say Amarok, how do I completely uninstall it so I can just use a precompiled package at a later date with no issues? |
| 16:28.05 | ecdemo | of pkg-config? |
| 16:28.08 | ecdemo | that shoudl be in -all |
| 16:28.17 | xopher | no not of pkg-config : ) |
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| 16:28.26 | wols_ | roberts: you cannot. at least not reliably. that's why we use .debs |
| 16:28.30 | X-Hacker | hello |
| 16:28.34 | xopher | of compiz-manager , which is what Im trying to build |
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| 16:29.03 | roberts | wols_: Unfortunately sid's Amarok package is two versions out of date, and the Kubuntu Amarok .debs won't install. |
| 16:29.18 | ecdemo | xopher: so you have the debianized source for compiz-manager? |
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| 16:29.25 | ljlolel | nevermind, mkfs can make ntfs |
| 16:29.28 | xopher | ecdemo, yes |
| 16:29.41 | ecdemo | ok, take a look at its debian/control |
| 16:29.57 | JordiGH | Are these dpkg qotd archived in a webpage somewhere? |
| 16:29.57 | ecdemo | is there a Build-depends: line? |
| 16:30.30 | ljlolel | wow, this will take a while |
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| 16:30.35 | xopher | ecdemo, yes, I added pkg-config, and I got a bit longer this time, Ill keep adding what the configure file finds |
| 16:30.48 | ecdemo | ahh, cool |
| 16:30.54 | ecdemo | so that's working as expected? |
| 16:30.57 | jelly | roberts: you could install into eg. /opt/amarok |
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| 16:31.56 | roberts | jelly: How would that help? |
| 16:32.04 | X-Hacker | you tell me |
| 16:32.42 | cydork | roberts: try stow |
| 16:32.44 | jelly | roberts: it wouldn't put its files where the distribution packages do, for one. |
| 16:32.59 | roberts | jelly: Right, but in terms of uninstalling it? |
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| 16:34.26 | jelly | roberts: uninstall would be like rm -rf /opt/amarok _if_ its sources are nice enough to actually follow the --prefix and not install some of the stuff elsewhere. |
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| 16:35.14 | roberts | Right, right... not an ideal situation in any case. |
| 16:35.14 | blackelf | hello |
| 16:35.27 | cydork | roberts: stow can do most of the hardwork for you. /msg dpkg stow |
| 16:35.29 | blackelf | currently the stable is named Etch and testing is sid/ |
| 16:35.30 | blackelf | ? |
| 16:35.54 | cydork | blackelf: stable=sarge, testing=etch, unstable=sid |
| 16:36.06 | blackelf | thanks |
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| 16:37.25 | tziku | Can somebody help me? Psybnc doesnt like kernel 2.6 (its crash, the proc is still running, but the port listening wasn successfully) anyone know why ? Here is the strace log: http://89.34.4.2/strace |
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| 16:39.23 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.05 | [NoX] | rm /var/log/* :p |
| 16:40.18 | petemc | JordiGH: you shouldnt need to, generally |
| 16:40.19 | cydork | JordiGH: install logrotate |
| 16:40.26 | JordiGH | 56 megs of logs? |
| 16:40.34 | JordiGH | Even after it's gzipped and logrotated? |
| 16:40.38 | petemc | a whole 56meg |
| 16:40.52 | JordiGH | On my 4 gig drive, every gig counts. I only have about 400 free megs right now. |
| 16:40.55 | jelly | tziku: that strace doesn't show a crash or anything obviously wrong -- it even looks like someone did successfully connect. |
| 16:40.57 | JordiGH | Every meg, rather. |
| 16:41.09 | petemc | /dev/hda1 1.8G 1.7G 31M 99% / |
| 16:41.19 | petemc | thats the only partition.. |
| 16:41.20 | JordiGH | Show off. |
| 16:41.51 | petemc | id look for other places to free up space, personally.. |
| 16:42.01 | JordiGH | :-/ |
| 16:42.04 | JordiGH | Fine. |
| 16:42.12 | tziku | jelly but psybnc freeze... |
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| 16:42.24 | tziku | and is freezing only if a user try to connect on it |
| 16:42.28 | jelly | tziku: freeze != crash |
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| 16:42.40 | tziku | ok...crash |
| 16:43.26 | jelly | tziku: anyway, it looks like your application is threaded. Did you try recompiling, just for fun? |
| 16:43.48 | tziku | yes..i try to recompile..i download other versions... |
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| 16:43.57 | jelly | tziku: er, is this an amd64 system? |
| 16:43.57 | tziku | but on all version is same prolem |
| 16:44.01 | tziku | no |
| 16:44.15 | tziku | this is an 2 x 2.2Ghz xenon with HT |
| 16:44.55 | tziku | 4-GenuineIntel Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 2.20GHz |
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| 16:45.07 | jelly | tziku: do you actually have permission to run an irc proxy on it? ;-) |
| 16:45.24 | tziku | ha ha :) is my personal computer |
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| 16:45.50 | jelly | Nice machine. |
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| 16:46.11 | tziku | thanks...is for fun...games server...and other.. |
| 16:46.20 | JordiGH | !pr0n |
| 16:46.21 | dpkg | pr0n is probably porn-get is at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu, or http://www.pornolize.com/cgi-bin/pornolize2/pornolize2.cgi?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debian.org, or see pr0n.sf.net |
| 16:46.37 | tziku | any ideea ? |
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| 16:46.43 | JordiGH | !idea |
| 16:46.43 | dpkg | idea is, like, meaning you don't know. |
| 16:47.01 | petemc | tziku: have you checked to see if theres an updated version of the app/ |
| 16:47.15 | tziku | i have the last version of psybnc... |
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| 16:47.30 | Sjorij | Welcome To Battlefield 1942 Server!!! - http://BF1942.Mooo.Com |
| 16:47.31 | Sjorij | Welcome To Battlefield 1942 Server!!! - http://BF1942.Mooo.Com |
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| 16:47.40 | jelly | tziku: if there are problems with nptl (new threading subsystem in 2.6), you could try running the app. with LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 env. variable set. |
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| 16:48.23 | tziku | how can i do this ? the 2.4 kernell can see only 1 procesor and only 1Gb of ram. |
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| 16:49.12 | petemc | tziku: that sounds like the kernel you install with, it wouldnt be for general use |
| 16:49.14 | jelly | tziku: kill the application and run it like "env LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 ./psybnc --whatever..." |
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| 16:49.32 | tziku | let's see wait :) and thanks |
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| 16:50.07 | w3rdn4 | Larry O'Lesley back in 1971. When the military were chatting away on their secret networks (ARPANET). Larry O'Lesley used to send out the hilarious and often racy jokes on the network. As more and more people read his jokes, he got to be known as LOL. |
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| 16:50.47 | JordiGH | That's the best false etymology I have ever heard. |
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| 16:52.49 | tziku | thanks jelly :) is working for the moment |
| 16:53.19 | w3rdn4 | JordiGH, hehe :) |
| 16:53.38 | JordiGH | w3rdn4: You're not wordnerd, by the way, are you? |
| 16:54.00 | w3rdn4 | nope |
| 16:54.10 | croddy | are you the operator of wernabot? |
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| 16:54.17 | JordiGH | w3rdn4: It's a small online world, but not that small, I guess. |
| 16:54.46 | w3rdn4 | croddy, nope |
| 16:55.11 | garo | (How) Can I show a dependencytree of all packages on my system on my screen? |
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| 16:55.33 | JordiGH | It's not a tree. :-/ |
| 16:55.50 | w3rdn4 | How do you make it look like a tree? |
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| 16:56.08 | blondie | w3rdn4: stick some leaves to your monitor? |
| 16:56.14 | JordiGH | I mean, it's not an acyclic directed graph. |
| 16:56.41 | JordiGH | If it were, apt-get wouldn't get things wrong once in a while. |
| 16:58.19 | JordiGH | But then again, aptitude and apt-get call it "tree". Oops. |
| 16:58.35 | JordiGH | I thought it was more tangled than that. Guess the n00b's on me. |
| 16:58.59 | jelly | JordiGH: you haven't seen old olive trees, then. |
| 16:59.29 | JordiGH | No, wait, it *is* more tangled, although it's not supposed to be? Like when you get into a dependency cycle that -f install doesn't break. |
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| 17:00.39 | jelly | JordiGH: don't even think about Provides and virtual packages (Recommends and Suggests don't help either). ;-) |
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| 17:01.41 | jelly | But I guess you could draw a tree of some sort starting with a single package and ending with Essential leaves. |
| 17:02.21 | JordiGH | jelly: A BSD person recently said to me "Debian needs something better than APT". I'm not sure how to interpret that. |
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| 17:02.43 | blondie | JordiGH: as delusional? |
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| 17:03.37 | JordiGH | blondie: BSD people are strange. There's this rant in the Wikipedia talk pages where this other BSD advocate goes on and on about how much he hates the GPL and why everyone in BSD-land think that rms is nuts. |
| 17:03.43 | JordiGH | THEY HATE FREEDOM! |
| 17:03.50 | cyzie | hello, what is this means? >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 17:04.08 | blondie | JordiGH: whether GPL or BSD license is "more free" is debatable ;) |
| 17:04.59 | cydork | blondie: that war has been goin on for year, (frankly i like gpl than bsd license ;) |
| 17:05.07 | cydork | s/year/years/ |
| 17:05.32 | JordiGH | blondie: It's the vitriol that's so strange... |
| 17:05.40 | wols_ | cyzie: it discards both stdout and stderr ot /dev/null |
| 17:05.41 | blondie | I probably prefer GPL, but I don't know if it's "more free" |
| 17:05.50 | Aim_Here | I always find it strange that there are BSD trolls who're happy to work for proprietary hoarders but not for GPL users |
| 17:05.56 | JordiGH | blondie: The guy made it seem as if the purpose of OpenBSD (I think that was it) was to hate Linux. |
| 17:06.14 | Aim_Here | I wonder if those guys actually write code or even use BSD. |
| 17:06.21 | cydork | blondie: please dont start it :P |
| 17:06.31 | cyzie | wols_, thanks |
| 17:06.36 | blondie | cydork: I didn't, he did ;P |
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| 17:08.23 | JordiGH | If anyone feels like doing a post-mortem analysis of the battlefield: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_talk:Free_software#Focus |
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| 17:10.02 | fs-a | current sid's sysv-rc bug is so critical, it should be on the topic |
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| 17:10.21 | fs-a | every service that it's updated loses its startup symlinks to scripts |
| 17:11.13 | supaplex | annoying for sure. |
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| 17:11.28 | JordiGH | Can dpkg start a license war? |
| 17:11.32 | JordiGH | Let's find out! |
| 17:11.36 | JordiGH | !start a license war |
| 17:11.36 | dpkg | LGPL bites! |
| 17:11.41 | JordiGH | Woohoo! |
| 17:11.42 | fs-a | i had to use a patch i found on google news and --reinstall everything else after sysv-rc was installed :/ |
| 17:11.47 | sussudio | !start a badger war |
| 17:11.48 | dpkg | mushrooms suck compared to FieldySnuts |
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| 17:13.00 | zenwryly | I've used grubconf to make some changes to my grub menus. I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but whenever I install a new debian kernel, all my linux menu entries get duplicated. Is there a way to restore Debian's sense of what should be in the menus in such a way that it will not duplicate on future upgrades? I no longer need any customization there. |
| 17:13.52 | fs-a | you don't mean the 2nd entry for 'single user' boot right? |
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| 17:15.32 | zenwryly | fs-a: no, that's fine |
| 17:15.42 | zenwryly | fs-a: I get... |
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| 17:15.55 | zenwryly | fs-a: Linux 2.6.12 |
| 17:16.01 | zenwryly | fs-a: Linux 2.6.12 (Single-User) |
| 17:16.02 | zenwryly | fs-a: Linux 2.6.12 |
| 17:16.03 | zenwryly | fs-a: Linux 2.6.12 (Single-User) |
| 17:16.10 | fs-a | oh no idea |
| 17:16.23 | zenwryly | fs-a: ok, well thanks |
| 17:16.26 | pickcoder | <sarcasm>I think there needs to be even more licenses that are slight variations of existing licenses. That way life is even more difficult for people who want to put lots of effort into free source code.</sarcasm> |
| 17:16.33 | JordiGH | zenwryly: Is that the full entry? |
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| 17:17.02 | JordiGH | zenwryly: You could always modify /etc/boot/menu.lst by hand. This is not difficult to do. |
| 17:17.08 | zenwryly | JordiGH: no, it's just a bs example |
| 17:17.17 | zenwryly | JordiGH: yeah, I'm trying to be lazy |
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| 17:17.37 | JordiGH | zenwryly: In my country, we have a saying: the lazy man works twice. |
| 17:17.39 | Blissex | pickcoder: one of the great merits of Stallman is indeed to have created 2-3 ''standard'' licences so people don't have to make up stuff all the time. |
| 17:18.02 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Don't get me started. I'm runing into some licensing woes myself right now. |
| 17:18.05 | pickcoder | 2-3 standard licenses that have been mis-interpreted by the masses |
| 17:18.25 | pickcoder | for me.. there's 2 options. PD and commercial |
| 17:18.30 | garo | JordiGH: it's ok if it's not a tree, I just need a good overview, that's all |
| 17:18.36 | fs-a | ..i wonder if people that start licence wars have a secret tedency to be lawyers.. |
| 17:18.56 | fs-a | s/desire |
| 17:19.09 | pickcoder | fs-a: heh.. no they just have ego problems and have to prove they are right, regardless of what the material actually says. |
| 17:19.17 | JordiGH | garo: I think everyone would like an overview... |
| 17:19.27 | rehn | zenwryly: It's not so simple that some of your kernels appear outside of the automagic kernels list? |
| 17:19.34 | zenwryly | JordiGH: in my work, we have a saying: "Three great virtues of programming are laziness, impatience, and hubris" |
| 17:19.42 | pickcoder | ANYhoo... |
| 17:19.50 | fs-a | gpl is socialism, bsd is capitalism. settled. |
| 17:20.02 | zenwryly | rehn: I only need the automagic kernels list |
| 17:20.13 | JordiGH | fs-a: Shall I link to Tux Guevara again? :-) |
| 17:20.19 | zenwryly | rehn: is there a way to generate just the automagic list? |
| 17:20.30 | rehn | zenwryly: So inside of that kernels are repeated? |
| 17:21.14 | zenwryly | rehn: yeah, though I used grubconf in the past and I see its fingerprint in the menu.lst |
| 17:21.21 | rehn | zenwryly: update-grub? |
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| 17:21.30 | zenwryly | rehn: ah, thanks I'll try that |
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| 17:24.08 | garo | JordiGH: so there is nothing to generate a list with deps ? |
| 17:25.05 | FromTO | I want to reinstall my whole system and was wondering of a way in which I can tell the installer (somehow) to install programs that I already have. Can I save some list of all the programs I have from apt and load this list in the new installer |
| 17:25.15 | JordiGH | garo: I don't think so... You're asking for very complex information. But why do you need this? |
| 17:25.18 | pickcoder | anyone know how to get up with the hddtemp author? hddtemp@guzu.net is returning a mail error |
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| 17:26.56 | garo | just to get a overview off the packages on my system and why they are installed |
| 17:27.16 | JordiGH | garo: What's the real problem? You want to clean up packages, right? |
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| 17:28.13 | garo | The real problem is that i don't know apt as well as i would like |
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| 17:28.28 | nvz | garo: then stop using it |
| 17:28.46 | garo | i tought asking questions was a better way |
| 17:28.49 | supaplex | nvz: or he can learn... |
| 17:28.56 | zenwryly | rehn: ok, that helped a lot. Thanks. But it loses my windows entry which was auto entered on debian installation. Any idea how that was generated? |
| 17:29.10 | supaplex | !basics |
| 17:29.10 | nvz | garo: aptitude keeps better track of things. and you can set packages that would be pulled in as dependancies as auto-installed so when nothing depends on them they will be removed |
| 17:29.30 | nvz | supaplex: or he can stop using it ;) |
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| 17:29.48 | supaplex | yeh :) |
| 17:29.59 | JordiGH | root (hd0,0) |
| 17:29.59 | JordiGH | savedefault |
| 17:29.59 | JordiGH | makeactive |
| 17:29.59 | JordiGH | chainloader +1 |
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| 17:30.05 | rehn | zenwryly: No, I suppose you just have to put that in manually, outside of the automagic stuff. |
| 17:30.21 | JordiGH | zenwryly: Did you get my /msg, or was I kicked before it got to you? :-) |
| 17:30.23 | garo | and is it possible to get a simple list of all installed packages ? I tried 'apt-cache --installed pkgnames' but the '--installed'-option is ignored |
| 17:30.55 | JordiGH | garo: dpkg -l |
| 17:30.55 | nvz | garo: dpkg -l | egrep ^.i |
| 17:31.13 | supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:31.30 | P4W3R | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.35 | rehn | zenwryly: There should be a backup of menu.lst to recover that from, I'm sure. |
| 17:31.39 | P4W3R | i made apt-get source and i am lost |
| 17:31.44 | P4W3R | no help in man |
| 17:31.46 | jelly | garo: you could gain some insight in how apt works with something like ... apt-get -o 'Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true' -s upgrade |
| 17:31.46 | supaplex | P4W3R: man patch |
| 17:31.55 | P4W3R | i did |
| 17:32.04 | P4W3R | but it is a multi file patch |
| 17:32.04 | zenwryly | rehn: yeah, it's all good |
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| 17:32.09 | nvz | garo: keep in mind apt is just a tool to manipulate the package cache built from your sources list and to fetch packages, resolve dependencies..etc dpkg is the package manager |
| 17:32.26 | supaplex | P4W3R: in that case (apt-source) nm what I said. |
| 17:32.50 | P4W3R | ok |
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| 17:33.39 | P4W3R | apt-src? |
| 17:34.26 | P4W3R | ok |
| 17:34.33 | P4W3R | it makes the work for me |
| 17:34.47 | P4W3R | but what command executes? |
| 17:35.37 | supaplex | P4W3R: I usualy just apt-get source foo, and cd foo*/, and then use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:35.55 | P4W3R | yes |
| 17:36.00 | supaplex | but you haven't told us really what you're doing or what you're after. |
| 17:36.11 | P4W3R | trying to build nexuiz |
| 17:36.24 | P4W3R | with G4 optimization flags |
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| 17:36.46 | P4W3R | so |
| 17:36.56 | P4W3R | apt-src install nexuiz |
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| 17:37.11 | P4W3R | but apt-get source nexuiz |
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| 17:37.18 | P4W3R | does not aplies the .diff file |
| 17:37.42 | cydork | P4W3R: you can use apt-build also, but you have to set the flags in apt-build |
| 17:37.45 | Vasistha | mornin' all. so, what to do about: /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
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| 17:38.04 | jelly | Vasistha: custom kernel? |
| 17:38.12 | Vasistha | jelly: no, stock sarge 2.4.27 |
| 17:38.39 | P4W3R | cydork : i tried but the build mechanism is makefile based and overrides CFLAGS variable |
| 17:38.57 | Vasistha | this *used* to work ... I just did a debian base install a month or so again, and haven't touched it since :-( |
| 17:38.59 | jelly | Vasistha: no idea, but it happens for me with custom 2.4.33. |
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| 17:39.31 | Vasistha | jelly: I checked with a Live CD and /dev/console exists with the proper major,minor numbers and permissions :P |
| 17:39.58 | renatim | I need some little help here.... I new in linux, and instaled debian, but I can configure some applications, such as aMSN... Help me!!!! |
| 17:40.08 | jelly | Vasistha: this was an error in initrd environment here. |
| 17:40.27 | jelly | Vasistha: before the real root was mounted... |
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| 17:40.46 | Vasistha | jelly: ahh. I'm guessing I'm going to have to reinstall the base system, huh? |
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| 17:41.05 | cydork | P4W3R: i still think apt-build can do the hardwork, try poking it more :P |
| 17:41.14 | jelly | Vasistha: I'd try another kernel for start. |
| 17:41.31 | Vasistha | jelly: hum. Well, sarge will install 2.6.8, right? |
| 17:41.33 | MatBoy | Is someone here using suspend or hybernate with succes with Debian ? |
| 17:41.58 | amphi | MatBoy: yup |
| 17:42.07 | amphi | MatBoy: swsusp works well here |
| 17:42.15 | jelly | Vasistha: if you tell it to, yes. |
| 17:42.17 | cydork | MatBoy: i used custom kernel for that, but should be possible with newer kernel i guess. |
| 17:42.25 | Vasistha | !anyone use suspend MatBoy |
| 17:42.26 | dpkg | No, no one uses suspend MatBoy, not even the people who use it. |
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| 17:43.32 | MatBoy | Vasistha, damn you |
| 17:43.35 | Vasistha | MatBoy: I used to have success with apm on a 2.4 kernel. And I've gotten it to work with an old Mepis on a 2.6.7 kernel, also using apm. My box won't do acpi |
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| 17:44.05 | MatBoy | amphi, OK, I'n on 2.6.8-15 at the moment And I saw something like a kernelpatch for it |
| 17:44.41 | pickcoder | Vasistha: so the console file exists on the root /dev? |
| 17:44.46 | P4W3R | cydork: XDD i can't ... just do not know to pass my own CFLAGS to a makefile that uses a CFLAGS variable |
| 17:45.01 | P4W3R | how to* |
| 17:45.05 | amphi | MatBoy: /boot/config-2.6.8-1-386:# CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND is not set |
| 17:45.06 | MatBoy | Vasistha, the problem is that my Motherboard does not support WOL with a connected cable |
| 17:45.21 | Vasistha | pickcoder: yeah, it looks proper and all. But as jelly said ... I guess it's not even mounting yet (although I haven't paid close attention to the boot screen, except for those last two lines ending with Kernel Panic) |
| 17:45.24 | amphi | MatBoy: I built my own kernel |
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| 17:45.38 | Vasistha | jelly: ...so I gather my only option here is to reinstall base, correct? |
| 17:45.40 | pickcoder | Vasistha: are you using an initial ram disk with your boot setup? |
| 17:45.48 | jelly | Vasistha: no |
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| 17:46.09 | Vasistha | pickcoder: dunno ... whatever sarge does by default. |
| 17:46.15 | jelly | Vasistha: my guess is it's just kernel/initrd fault. |
| 17:46.23 | MatBoy | amphi, I already enabled it in my kernel |
| 17:46.26 | cydork | P4W3R: try http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 17:46.36 | jaski | Hi there, Still struggling with my azt1022 sound card, now running a 2.6.8-3-686 kernel. Sys. info from win98 gave me 2 DMA channels and 2 IRQs, all of which I have reserved in the BIOS. The same report also gave me 5 I/O addr. ranges (for gameport joystick, x0200-x0207; audio dev., x0220-x022F; mpu-401 dev., x330-x331; audio dev.,x388-x38B; audio dev., x0560-x056F). How can I pass this info to modconf? |
| 17:46.45 | amphi | MatBoy: what's the problem? |
| 17:46.55 | MatBoy | amphi, I need to get a suspend button :) |
| 17:46.56 | P4W3R | cydork: just manually modified the makefile to fit my requirements... And wishing a G4 debian release |
| 17:47.13 | jelly | Vasistha, pickcoder: yes, he uses initrd -- that is, the default sarge 2.4 kernel does. |
| 17:47.14 | amphi | MatBoy: echo disk > /sys/power/state should do it |
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| 17:47.36 | MatBoy | amphi, OK, but is there no option for in KDE ? |
| 17:47.46 | amphi | MatBoy: no idea about kde |
| 17:47.58 | P4W3R | cydork: i readed just ignores my options for this program |
| 17:48.02 | P4W3R | .* |
| 17:48.05 | P4W3R | ,* |
| 17:48.15 | P4W3R | >< |
| 17:48.17 | pickcoder | Vasistha: ls -l /boot/ |
| 17:48.22 | amphi | MatBoy: you can stick that line in an acpid script to have it suspend on some acpi event |
| 17:48.33 | MatBoy | amphi, strange thin is that I only see @ Powermanagement: Laptopstuff |
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| 17:49.10 | amphi | MatBoy: I have no idea what you mean |
| 17:49.10 | MatBoy | amphi, yep... It's more that I need it suspended so I can WOL it that it will go on |
| 17:49.46 | amphi | MatBoy: WOL? |
| 17:49.56 | MatBoy | amphi, Wake On Lan |
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| 17:50.29 | amphi | MatBoy: ah - well, I told you how to make it suspend |
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| 17:50.53 | MatBoy | yep, thanks ! found something like the same... I will google further |
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| 17:52.25 | jaski | Sorry all, I accidentally found a kbd shortcut |
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| 17:54.41 | jaski | (Still hoping for help with an azt1022 sound card ...) |
| 17:54.42 | youssef | Good evening. I have tried to fix my xserver with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86/xorg with no avail (screens no found) |
| 17:54.51 | MatBoy | amphi, let me try it :) |
| 17:54.55 | MatBoy | Cu soon :) |
| 17:55.04 | amphi | maybe ;) |
| 17:55.25 | MatBoy | amphi, It will not blow :p |
| 17:56.09 | youssef | I have even deleted and created /etc/X11. Choosing vga/vesa does not help |
| 17:56.20 | youssef | Anyone can help me please ? |
| 17:56.25 | pickcoder | Vasistha: you should try rebuilding your initrd with mkinitrd /boot/<current initrd file image> <kernel version> |
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| 17:57.09 | Vasistha | jelly pickcoder : erm ... pebkac :P I changed the hard drive from hdb to hda without fixing grub and fstab ... thanks for your help! |
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| 17:57.22 | P4W3R | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.24 | P4W3R | ,,, |
| 17:57.25 | P4W3R | ... |
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| 17:57.34 | pickcoder | Vasistha: <g> |
| 17:57.35 | Vasistha | I must have moved the hard drive from one computer to another a month ago, and never booted it, and forgot that I had changed its position... |
| 17:58.45 | jelly | P4W3R: is it an LCD? |
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| 17:59.17 | P4W3R | yes |
| 17:59.31 | P4W3R | jelly: yes a samsung |
| 18:00.03 | jelly | P4W3R: if it is, your X don't detect valid resolutions correctly or the monitor is telling that it can support something but in reality it can't |
| 18:00.24 | P4W3R | jelly: I think that is X |
| 18:01.02 | jelly | P4W3R: happens for me too with an acer LCD, DVI connection. X has changed resolution/refresh settings to something that the monitor can't copt with. |
| 18:01.45 | P4W3R | jelly: it happens when the SDL surface resolution is not equal to the current display resolution |
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| 18:02.04 | Vasistha | alright, now I'm getting an error on ifup eth0 : SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 18:02.07 | P4W3R | jelly: the height and weight |
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| 18:02.27 | Vasistha | where does one look for the network device? I'm not at all sure where it's bound to the network interfaces/file |
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| 18:03.07 | pickcoder | Vasistha: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:03.16 | youssef | can someone help me ? |
| 18:03.19 | P4W3R | jelly: my desktop has dvi output but i use a vga converter |
| 18:03.21 | pandrew | hi! i have some missing symlinks in the /usr/lib folder (libglib.so, libgtk.so, ...) does anyone know why they weren't created automatically, or is there something else that i can do besides creating them manually? |
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| 18:04.18 | Vasistha | pickcoder: ...I'm not aware of a /dev/eth0 file, though ... I'm just wondering how /etc/network/interfaces figures out which device is which? |
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| 18:05.31 | P4W3R | ok bye |
| 18:05.36 | P4W3R | :) |
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| 18:06.56 | renatim | does anybody know what is "tk8.4" and "tcltls" |
| 18:07.14 | JordiGH | Uh, Tk/Tcl stuff? |
| 18:07.19 | JordiGH | You can always ask apt, y'know. |
| 18:07.22 | JordiGH | apt-cache show yermom. |
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| 18:07.40 | MatBoy | Mhh I have installed kpowersave, but I'm not able to connect to the powersave daemon via DBUS... I have to check the config... I never used DBUS :S |
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| 18:08.21 | roxy_ | Granule is giving me a segmentation fault. Where should I start to debug ? |
| 18:08.45 | phizwhiz | hi I have a error with apt-get on coreutils: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/md5sum.1.gz', which is the diverted version of `/usr/share/man/man1/md5sum.textutils.1.gz' |
| 18:09.18 | phizwhiz | I'm trying to upgrade unstable when this error occurs |
| 18:09.36 | phizwhiz | any suggestions on how to overcome this error? |
| 18:09.42 | JordiGH | phizwhiz: Try using aptitude -f install. |
| 18:10.59 | pickcoder | Vasistha: is your nic driver loaded |
| 18:11.03 | phizwhiz | i tried apt-get -f install, resulting in the same error |
| 18:11.13 | pickcoder | bbiab |
| 18:11.14 | JordiGH | phizwhiz: I said aptitude, not apt-get. |
| 18:11.29 | phizwhiz | JordiGH: I don't have aptitude |
| 18:11.34 | JordiGH | Yikes. :-/ |
| 18:11.41 | Vasistha | nic driver loaded ... no idea. I usually count on that happening without effort. *sigh* |
| 18:11.51 | pandrew | hi! i have some missing symlinks in the /usr/lib folder (libglib.so, libgtk.so, ...) does anyone know why they weren't created automatically, or is there something else that i can do besides creating them manually? |
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| 18:11.55 | jaski | Can anyone please recommend a news group for sound using the ad1816a driver? |
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| 18:12.24 | JordiGH | phizwhiz: You would try to manually install aptitude from its .deb file. I think its dependencies are easy to meet. |
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| 18:13.55 | phizwhiz | JordiGH: what's the big deal with aptitude? |
| 18:14.00 | JordiGH | !aptitude |
| 18:14.00 | dpkg | i heard aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 18:14.34 | JordiGH | phizwhiz: It's worked well for me. It's usually smarter than apt-get. |
| 18:14.39 | Vasistha | alright, so lspci shows: 0000:00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 90) |
| 18:15.06 | roxy_ | granule in testing is 1.2.1.2 and it works. I aptitude install granule=1.2.1.2 on sid but it still gives a seg fault |
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| 18:15.53 | phizwhiz | ok JordiGH I installed aptitude and ran -f install, did nothing for me |
| 18:16.06 | JordiGH | No? |
| 18:16.17 | JordiGH | Didn't offer solutions? |
| 18:16.33 | wols_ | Vasistha: modprobe sis900 |
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| 18:17.54 | phizwhiz | says all the packages are kept back JordiGH |
| 18:18.11 | JordiGH | phizwhiz: Uh, well, you ARE doing an upgrade, aren't you? |
| 18:19.21 | kinections | Where do I find a list of the official sources/repositories? |
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| 18:19.52 | JordiGH | !mirrors |
| 18:19.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 18:20.07 | phizwhiz | JordiGH: yes I'm trying to upgrade. I tried aptitude upgrade, fails with the same error |
| 18:20.27 | JordiGH | phizwhiz: What do you mean fails? Meaning you don't like any of its solutions? |
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| 18:21.00 | Vasistha | wols_: alright, that loaded -- thanks. ifup eth0 is still complaining, though: SIOCSIFFLAGE: Device or resource busy |
| 18:21.10 | roxy_ | can someone find the reason of a sig fault reading a strace ? |
| 18:21.11 | JordiGH | phizwhiz: Or that you accepted a solution and had the same problem anyways? |
| 18:21.11 | phizwhiz | I get the same error that brought me to this channel |
| 18:21.16 | jaski | See ya. |
| 18:21.30 | phizwhiz | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/coreutils_5.97-5_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 18:21.33 | phizwhiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.47 | JordiGH | phizwhiz: Ok, you didn't hear it from me, but you can manually install coreutils with dpkg and use the --force option. |
| 18:22.14 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.33 | phizwhiz | And I bet there is no warranty that comes with that advice JordiGH |
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| 18:23.40 | JordiGH | phizwhiz: It's worked for me once, apparently, when I was also doing a massive dist-upgrade. I forced lots of things, thinking that I was prepared to completely hose my system and begin with a fresh install. |
| 18:23.44 | JordiGH | Miraculously, after it was all done, everything seemingly worked correctly. |
| 18:23.50 | phizwhiz | Well I may try that |
| 18:24.02 | nvz | phizwhiz: there is no warrenty that comes with any of debian software or advice. there is no implication that its fit for any particular use |
| 18:24.07 | phizwhiz | I should wait till I'm physically close to the server tho |
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| 18:25.15 | phizwhiz | thanks nvz I read the motd |
| 18:25.21 | JordiGH | phizwhiz: And you should consistently use aptitude. *switching* from apt-get to aptitude has been problematic from me, but after the switch is done, it's hard to go back to apt-get. |
| 18:25.26 | JordiGH | s/from/for |
| 18:25.36 | phizwhiz | I guess I'm olde schoole |
| 18:26.04 | phizwhiz | I still have some slink floppies kickin around |
| 18:26.21 | JordiGH | Wow. |
| 18:26.24 | JordiGH | Do they work? |
| 18:26.34 | nvz | phizwhiz: I wasnt aware there was any mention of such things in the motd |
| 18:26.39 | phizwhiz | prolly |
| 18:26.41 | nvz | phizwhiz: unless you mean /etc/modt |
| 18:26.45 | nvz | er /etc/motd |
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| 18:28.31 | phizwhiz | anyway, thanks for the shits'n giggles, I'm gonna hold off on this for a bit |
| 18:28.53 | nvz | ugh.. I need to find the appropriate place to bitch at someone about the "run command" being taken out of the gnome menu |
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| 18:29.16 | JordiGH | nvz: It has? |
| 18:29.24 | JordiGH | nvz: So how do you run stuff now? |
| 18:29.27 | nvz | apollon isnt in my menu and I have no easy way to run it without that |
| 18:29.32 | nvz | JordiGH: xterm I guess |
| 18:29.57 | JordiGH | nvz: I find that hard to believe. You're sure they just didn't put it elsewhere? |
| 18:30.04 | JordiGH | nvz: Or that there isn't a hotkey for running stuff? |
| 18:30.31 | JordiGH | And anyways, can't you just ADD whatever to your menu? |
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| 18:30.49 | nvz | JordiGH: in etch they changed it all there is no actions menut anymore just places and desktop |
| 18:30.53 | nvz | JordiGH: its gone |
| 18:31.05 | JordiGH | Really? |
| 18:31.51 | roxy_ | I got granule sig fault on unstable but not on testing, however the version are the same. Where could be the problem ? |
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| 18:32.55 | garo | Is a 'broken' package a package where the installation failed, a installed package which misses some deps or something else ? |
| 18:33.21 | nvz | garo: install failed usually during a post-install configuration |
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| 18:33.54 | JordiGH | Wow, GNOME is looking nice nowadays. I just might start using it instead of KDE. |
| 18:34.32 | colde89 | is it possible to add a spare-disk to a runnung raid5-array with mdadm? |
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| 18:35.38 | garo | How can i get a list of all installed packages where some of the dependencies are removed ? |
| 18:35.43 | mikefoo | so if I have a program that does its own caching, and the filesystem is caching also, can I disable that? |
| 18:35.56 | garo | And how can i get a list of all installed packages that have no installed revdeps ? |
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| 18:36.17 | nvz | garo: you mean packages that have nothing depending on them? |
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| 18:37.23 | JordiGH | Heh, there's that tool that thinks that nothing is depending on the X server. What was the proggie? |
| 18:37.24 | garo | nvz: yes (with my last question) |
| 18:37.29 | nvz | garo: install deborphan |
| 18:38.11 | nvz | JordiGH: probably said that about a meta-package like x-window-system or x-window-system-core |
| 18:38.30 | nvz | JordiGH: those are useless they serve only to depend on the actual packages much like the gnome and kde package |
| 18:39.11 | JordiGH | nvz: No, I think it was something else... hold on. :-) |
| 18:39.22 | nvz | JordiGH: only reason to have them installed is to help facilitate upgrades which should work anyhow because the newer package say xorg should have replaces xfree86 for example |
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| 18:40.01 | garo | nvz: when i run 'deborphan -a' i get a list that seems right but what does the 1st column of this list mean ? |
| 18:40.22 | JordiGH | nvz: Ah, never mind. deborphan is sensible. I thought that there was something that was very agressive about what it considers non-essential. |
| 18:40.22 | nvz | garo: and start using aptitude it will suit you better. it can be used as a drop-in replacement for apt-get and apt-cache on the command line with the same arguments, and without arguments its an interactive package manager. |
| 18:40.41 | JordiGH | Woohoo! More aptitude advocacy! :D |
| 18:40.43 | nvz | garo: in short it keeps a database and pays closer attention to what you install with it, and automatically does things like finding orphans |
| 18:40.56 | nvz | I dont use aptitude.. but I get by with apt |
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| 18:41.13 | nvz | he's been bitching all day about apt when aptitude does all the stuff he's bitching about |
| 18:42.05 | nvz | garo: that would be the section |
| 18:42.57 | nvz | garo: main, contrib, nonfree, as well as the category admin, editors, games, net..etc |
| 18:43.41 | nvz | I wonder if gamestop would buy game guides |
| 18:43.45 | nvz | hmm |
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| 18:43.54 | garo | But can aptitude do things like give the list that deborphan just gave me ? |
| 18:44.10 | JordiGH | garo: I think so, yes. Let me check. |
| 18:44.21 | JordiGH | garo: And you can use a mouse with aptitude. :P |
| 18:44.22 | nvz | garo: it does better, it lets you know when you use it that packages can be removed |
| 18:44.30 | redloff | hi, how do I change a 'character set' of my printer? |
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| 18:44.47 | nvz | garo: you have to use it all the time to see the real benefits it doesnt keep track of things you install through other methods |
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| 18:44.54 | garo | the primary reason i don't use aptitude is, is that it's a gui, i don't like gui's, you can't use them in scripts |
| 18:45.00 | nvz | garo: just start using it aptitude install foo, aptitude search foo |
| 18:45.01 | redloff | it has to be pc8, and now it's like.. I don't know.. |
| 18:45.13 | nvz | garo: ffs I just told you that aptitude is a drop in replacement for apt-get and apt-cache |
| 18:45.21 | JordiGH | garo: It's not a gui. |
| 18:45.27 | nvz | garo: its only an interactive package manager if run without command line options |
| 18:45.34 | JordiGH | garo: It's a cli with mouse support. :-) |
| 18:45.35 | garo | I get a ncurses interface when i run it |
| 18:45.48 | nvz | BECAUSE YOU DIDNT TELL IT TO DO ANYTHING |
| 18:45.50 | JordiGH | garo: yes, and try using your mouse. It works. :-) |
| 18:46.09 | JordiGH | If you're running it in an xterm anyways. |
| 18:46.14 | garo | i just assumed it only was a gui... |
| 18:46.19 | nvz | you assumed wrong |
| 18:46.58 | garo | they (the debian install manual/system) should tell that somewhere... |
| 18:47.16 | JordiGH | aptitude is still beta, I think. But so is apt-get. :P |
| 18:47.25 | sepski | garo, man aptitude |
| 18:47.41 | nvz | garo: you mean like in the manpage, or package description where it says that? |
| 18:48.07 | nvz | " and a command-line mode similar to that of apt-get. aptitude is also Y2K-compliant, non-fattening, naturally cleansing, and housebroken" |
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| 18:48.18 | JordiGH | aptitude moo ! |
| 18:49.16 | garo | i have a 'only use "man" when the program is a difficult cli'-policy :) |
| 18:49.36 | robin_sz | is there a CLI for aptitude? |
| 18:49.41 | JordiGH | I only use man when there isn't a texinfo page. |
| 18:49.55 | JordiGH | robin_sz: Of course there is. aptitude install yermom, f'rinstance. |
| 18:50.11 | nvz | !yinzersmite JordiGH |
| 18:50.13 | roxy_ | does that: http://rafb.net/paste/results/pt1MQI69.html tells me of why I got a problem ? |
| 18:50.28 | garo | see, everybody assumes that it is a gui :) |
| 18:50.46 | nvz | its go nothing that even resemples a gui |
| 18:50.54 | nvz | you'd have to be a complete fool to assume that |
| 18:50.55 | JordiGH | Well, the mouse support... |
| 18:51.06 | JordiGH | But that's an oft-overlooked feature. |
| 18:51.07 | nvz | mouse support has nothing to do with aptitude |
| 18:51.21 | nvz | its built on ncurses |
| 18:51.40 | JordiGH | so I can use a mouse with dselect? Woohoo! |
| 18:51.41 | robin_sz | JordiGH, so, on a headless server, what advantages does aptitude offer over apt-get? |
| 18:51.51 | JordiGH | !aptitude |
| 18:51.51 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 18:51.56 | garo | a 'aptitude-cli -> aptitude' symlink and a 'aptitude-gui -> aptitude' symlink could be handy |
| 18:52.08 | JordiGH | That is to say, http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. |
| 18:52.19 | nvz | garo: umm no? |
| 18:52.24 | JordiGH | garo: Uh, why? |
| 18:52.41 | nvz | garo: first of all they would do the same thing, and 2nd there is _no_ gui |
| 18:52.58 | JordiGH | nvz: Aww... I can't use a mouse in dselect. :-( |
| 18:53.04 | JordiGH | nvz: Can I use one with debconf? |
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| 18:53.08 | nvz | ncurses is not a gui there isnt anything graphical about it, its all text |
| 18:53.41 | garo | so ? aalib is also all text but it still displays pictures |
| 18:53.53 | nvz | and has no GUI |
| 18:54.13 | nvz | displaying a picture is displaying a picture. unless it actually has a graphical interface its not a GUI |
| 18:54.22 | nvz | now gmplayer with aalib support is a GUI |
| 18:54.26 | nvz | aalib is not |
| 18:54.39 | JordiGH | nvz: What other ncurses program do you know that allows using a mouse from an xterm? |
| 18:55.02 | nvz | JordiGH: giFTcurs, aumix.. I could name tons of them |
| 18:55.20 | JordiGH | Eh? I've got neither of those installed. |
| 18:55.25 | nvz | JordiGH: works in console too if you have console mouse services |
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| 18:56.23 | JordiGH | nvz: But it's not like you using ncurses means you automatically have mouse support. When you code, you need to code for the mouse support in ncurses. Otherwise, you'll have to explain to me why I can't click around in dselect. |
| 18:56.43 | garo | what if I call it a agui, that's a 'almost graphical user interface' ? |
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| 18:57.15 | nvz | JordiGH: not all curses programs have mouse support, htop doesnt, cplay doesnt, irssi doesnt.. |
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| 18:57.37 | JordiGH | nvz: So it aptitude does deserve praise for having mouse support. :-) |
| 18:57.38 | nvz | garo: I would be more satisfied if you just called it a CUI Curses User Interface. |
| 18:58.11 | nvz | JordiGH: it has things worth clicking on.. as does aumix.. now irssi has nothing that could possibly generate any usefulness |
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| 18:58.25 | cahoot_ | nvz: text is the gui of languge |
| 18:58.26 | JordiGH | How about hyperlinks? |
| 18:58.50 | nvz | hmm not sure about that. but it would be stupid feature anyhow |
| 18:59.08 | nvz | as most peoople run it in console or screen where they couldnt easily use that feature anyhow |
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| 18:59.38 | roxy_ | is it possible to have a gui using ssh -X using a host in between ? |
| 18:59.58 | Braindead | adding a new window to screen and opening the www-browser would be nice |
| 19:00.34 | nvz | not really possible espcially if you are on a regular tty and dont have screen running |
| 19:00.44 | Braindead | and still I'm not sure that most people that use irssi run it without X |
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| 19:00.57 | tziku | !tell tziku about startup |
| 19:01.03 | nvz | I am running it in X but it still couldnt open an X www browser |
| 19:01.17 | nvz | you have no access to the display from inside screen |
| 19:01.19 | Braindead | nvz: add "assuming you're using screen" |
| 19:01.45 | Braindead | nvz: are you sure? |
| 19:01.56 | nvz | that feature will remain in the gutter with my suggestion to add share logging to samba |
| 19:02.06 | nvz | and thats actually useful for something |
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| 19:02.23 | nvz | like debugging shares and keeping more organize logs |
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| 19:02.46 | Braindead | nvz: saying "you have no access to the display from inside screen" it's quite inaccurate |
| 19:02.58 | nvz | and we've been distributing it with 3rd party documentation that says it can do that for like 4 years now |
| 19:03.16 | nvz | (firefox-bin:2693): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 19:03.25 | Braindead | nvz: echo $DISPLAY |
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| 19:03.42 | roxy_ | I need to access an app using gui on a machine in an intranet. I can access that intranet via a proxy. Is there a way? |
| 19:03.42 | nvz | Braindead: preciesly.. returns a newline |
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| 19:04.03 | Braindead | nvz: export $DISPLAY=:0.0 |
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| 19:04.29 | Braindead | that's because you started screen on a tty,without X,then re-attached it |
| 19:04.37 | Braindead | it surely isn't screen's fault |
| 19:04.59 | Braindead | ahem export DISPLAY |
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| 19:05.07 | DJVG | Hello |
| 19:05.16 | nvz | regaurdless its outside the scope of irssi's usability to implement handling of hyperlinks |
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| 19:05.51 | nvz | and could easily be implemented using a irssi script if you cared that much to have it launch a browser for links |
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| 19:05.53 | DJVG | hello i want something with debian 3.1 sarge |
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| 19:06.32 | nvz | DJVG: you've got good taste, what can I say. I'd try a computer.. they work best |
| 19:06.43 | DJVG | Haha |
| 19:06.55 | DJVG | I want play music with debian |
| 19:07.18 | nvz | go for it |
| 19:07.51 | DJVG | yes |
| 19:07.59 | nvz | xmms, beep-media-player, rhythmbox, amarok.. |
| 19:08.00 | DJVG | how :p |
| 19:08.05 | DJVG | aha |
| 19:08.05 | nvz | long list of programs for that |
| 19:08.05 | DJVG | ty |
| 19:08.23 | nvz | I use cplay for my music player frontend.. suits me. |
| 19:08.33 | nvz | but I prefer curses applications |
| 19:09.03 | DJVG | i'm now installing xmms |
| 19:09.17 | DJVG | ready |
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| 19:09.32 | DJVG | ok |
| 19:09.36 | DJVG | how it works xD |
| 19:09.37 | garo | Not so easy to remember, that aptitude syntax |
| 19:09.44 | DJVG | Hmmm |
| 19:10.00 | nvz | garo: the syntax is the same as apt-get or apt-cache for the most part |
| 19:10.02 | garo | 'aptitude search ~i -F%p' for getting a list of installed packages seems kind of hard |
| 19:10.17 | DJVG | apt-get install xmms |
| 19:10.40 | nvz | yeah well thats a more advanced feature and its not a whole lot easier with dpkg |
| 19:10.47 | nvz | and not possible with apt |
| 19:10.58 | DJVG | Aha...Hmmm |
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| 19:11.44 | garo | I can't deny that... with dpkg i had to do it like this: |
| 19:11.45 | garo | perl -e 'foreach(`dpkg -l`){if(/^ii/){s/^ii\s\s(\S*).*/$1/;print $_;}}' |
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| 19:11.51 | nvz | o.O |
| 19:12.02 | DJVG | Hmmm |
| 19:12.03 | DJVG | ok |
| 19:12.07 | nvz | I just do dpkg -l | egrep ^.i |
| 19:12.19 | yome | Hi. Is there any way to ensure that the current state of my installation is "sane"? I've made a dist-upgrade that was interrupted when the computer was forcefully shut down, and now trying to install any package leads to a complaint about an "internal error" when processing "pam". |
| 19:12.30 | nvz | though an impressive misuse of perl there |
| 19:12.32 | garo | but then you still have the version and descriptions |
| 19:12.48 | garo | altough sed could probably fix that |
| 19:12.52 | Braindead | awk would do the job |
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| 19:13.07 | garo | but i like perl more |
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| 19:13.19 | smacnay_ | Wow, the proram 'remind' looks really powerful!! If I could make it pipeout sessions for billing clients I will be in heaven... I sure I can but am probably unable to with my very limited coding experience. |
| 19:13.22 | Braindead | dpkg --get-selections anyone? |
| 19:13.40 | garo | it just has more 'power' |
| 19:14.08 | Braindead | and it's more readable |
| 19:14.14 | Braindead | ok,bad joke... |
| 19:14.15 | nvz | garo: add a | cut -b 5-36 then or awk or sed.. whatever |
| 19:14.22 | yome | Please ignore whatever I have posted up there. |
| 19:14.23 | garo | Braindead: no comment :) |
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| 19:15.07 | nvz | Braindead: :) that contains all selections even if marked hold, purge, remove...etc I believe |
| 19:15.20 | garo | never actually used cut and i try to avoid non-perl regexps |
| 19:15.36 | Doat | After I did a updgrade with synaptic i've been having some problems. Firstly, pppoe doesn't work on 2.6.16 or 2.6.17 kernels (it thinks im on 2.4 kernel o_O). It works on 2.6.8 though. Secondly I can't start Xorg. It says /dev/input/mice No such device. I tried mouse0 and mouse1 too. Oh, I'm using unstable. Any ideas? |
| 19:15.54 | Braindead | dpkg -l|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}' then |
| 19:16.06 | nvz | garo: heh, I dont avoid them I try not to use perl when I dont have to |
| 19:16.23 | Braindead | Doat: do you use apt-listbugs? |
| 19:16.26 | nvz | though I am farily new to perl.. I finally installed perl-doc just a fem months ago |
| 19:16.44 | Doat | Braindead: i haven't tried that. brb |
| 19:16.48 | nvz | I learned a good bit, but I need to actually code something in perl to get the hang of it |
| 19:16.56 | Braindead | there's a critical bug on sysv-rc,update-rc.d is b0rk3d and it deletes existent symlinks |
| 19:17.05 | Braindead | Doat: it's a little to late,now ;) |
| 19:17.27 | Braindead | Doat: for example after the upgrade udev startup synlinks got deleted.... |
| 19:17.28 | DJVG | Hmmm i have a lot of errors: Transmist error ? |
| 19:18.21 | garo | nvz: if you use it where you normally would use grep,sed,awk or a shell-feature for a month, then you will probably know it |
| 19:18.23 | Braindead | Doat: using sid without apt-listbugs really is a russian roulette. don't use sid unless you can: -look up the bts -fix the bug yourself -fix the bug after reading the bts -try and avoid the bug itself by using apt-listbugs |
| 19:19.13 | nvz | garo: yeah well when doing basic tasks from day-to-day I use what I know to get it done asap. but if I had a larger project that would be well suited for perl I would learn it |
| 19:19.36 | nvz | garo: I make use of tr, cut, grep, and bash built-ins a lot |
| 19:19.50 | Doat | Braindead: well oops :) |
| 19:20.21 | |dennis| | question: etch, gnome.. fresh install.. installed few extra apps... including kde apps..... did thin on 100 + machines..on few of the machines..get a sound server fatal eror - cpu overload - arts error message?? any help?? |
| 19:20.27 | Braindead | Doat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386540 anyway |
| 19:20.27 | Doat | Braindead: is testing any better or should i just go back to stable? |
| 19:20.54 | Braindead | Doat: I personally don't use testing that much. your mileage may vary |
| 19:21.24 | nvz | garo: I've done some work in python but I think I would like perl a lot more. I just caught on to python because of IDLE and the extensive online documentation that was really easy to grok I liked the way they had the docs organized in different ways depending on where you were experience and time wise.. they had the tutorial, the language ref, the global module index...etc you didnt have to swamp though all of it if you just neede |
| 19:21.25 | wols_ | Doat: pppoe works on 2.6.17 kernels |
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| 19:21.45 | ethyope | Braindead whats about to have production email servers in testing? what do you think ? |
| 19:22.00 | Doat | wols_: it worked on 2.6.16 too earlier. but something broke it and now only 2.6.8 works |
| 19:22.01 | wols_ | ethyope: unneeded |
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| 19:22.37 | ethyope | wols_ in some case its needed, for example to use postfix 2.3 to have sasl per user client auth |
| 19:22.41 | wols_ | Doat: "something broke" is a piss poor error description |
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| 19:23.16 | Doat | wols_: yup i know. basically I just upgraded on unstable and now its messed up |
| 19:23.20 | wols_ | what do you mean "sasl per user client auth"? smtpd-auth? |
| 19:23.30 | Braindead | Doat: wrong day to upgrade |
| 19:23.42 | Doat | so it seems -_- |
| 19:23.56 | ethyope | wols_ its smtp auth, postfix1 "login" to another server that requiere sasl auth |
| 19:24.01 | Braindead | ethyope: stable + backports (home made or precooked) *could* do the hob |
| 19:24.05 | eipihipl | opon opening a new window with xcompmgr running, the transparency becomes 0.1 (counted with transset), how do alter that value? |
| 19:24.05 | Doat | Braindead: so what should i do now in order to get my debian working? |
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| 19:24.31 | Braindead | Doat: I cannot find the right bug report,that link I gave you was wrong |
| 19:24.40 | oKtosiTe | Doat: "your Debian"? Should've stuck with stable or testing...? |
| 19:24.43 | Braindead | anyway dpkg-reconfigure udev for starters |
| 19:25.04 | Braindead | or aptitude reinstall / apt-get --reinstall install it |
| 19:25.26 | Doat | okay thanks |
| 19:25.30 | nvz | well I am off to the health dept, and the post office, bbl |
| 19:25.44 | oKtosiTe | nvz: emjoy |
| 19:25.54 | oKtosiTe | s/em/en/ |
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| 19:26.14 | Braindead | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386500 here it is |
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| 19:27.14 | DJVG | i go |
| 19:27.24 | DJVG | Bye Bye |
| 19:28.28 | DJVG | Hmm |
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| 19:30.31 | garo | (How) Can aptitude, used as cli, show reverse dependencies ? |
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| 19:31.51 | kingsley | garo: apt-cache showpkg <package> |
| 19:32.12 | Braindead | he asked about aptitude,apt-cach rdepends anyway |
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| 19:39.36 | MustangMatt | how can I find out which debian package includes smbmount? |
| 19:39.49 | cydork | !tell MustangMatt about search |
| 19:39.51 | MustangMatt | nm I bet it's smbfs |
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| 19:41.01 | mihkel | will upcoming stable (etch) include xorg 7.1 or greater? |
| 19:41.05 | pjz | anyone know what kernel driver a dell 2950 keyboard would require? |
| 19:41.10 | pjz | like, which kernel module(s) ? |
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| 19:41.57 | GuZ | what does 'tty' stand for when typing ps? |
| 19:42.07 | cydork | !tty |
| 19:42.07 | dpkg | hmm... tty is an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator. |
| 19:42.15 | cydork | GuZ, ^^ |
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| 19:42.22 | GuZ | thanx |
| 19:42.25 | GuZ | thanks |
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| 19:42.45 | GuZ | Dang, I really have to stop sms typing soon... |
| 19:43.03 | GuZ | maybe I'll port to geek typing... |
| 19:43.10 | tziku | how can i see all installed packages with apt-get ? |
| 19:43.18 | GuZ | l1k3 t41s (like this) |
| 19:43.19 | cydork | tziku, use dpkg -l |
| 19:43.29 | tziku | thanks |
| 19:43.36 | cydork | GuZ, that's easy to read actually :0 |
| 19:43.42 | cydork | s/0/)/ |
| 19:44.11 | GuZ | really? :o |
| 19:44.31 | GuZ | hmm |
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| 19:44.42 | Deeah | Is etch going to release with gnome 2.16? |
| 19:44.56 | oKtosiTe | cydork: you there? |
| 19:45.01 | GuZ | I can read Runes, but g33k is something else... |
| 19:45.31 | oKtosiTe | woops |
| 19:45.33 | cydork | GuZ, i use this http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/ |
| 19:45.34 | cydork | oKtosiTe, yep |
| 19:45.34 | GuZ | I can also even read a bit of HEX (if it's supposed to be text) |
| 19:45.38 | cydork | oKtosiTe, what's up? |
| 19:45.47 | GuZ | wtf? |
| 19:46.19 | cydork | GuZ, nice huh? ;) |
| 19:46.19 | GuZ | that's the geekiest google search i've ever seen :p |
| 19:46.20 | oKtosiTe | cydork: the SCSI disk workds fine, when modprobed, but how do I get the module to load before filesystems are mounted? |
| 19:46.25 | GuZ | yeah, it is |
| 19:46.55 | tziku | how can i flush all my system logs ? I have about 2Gb of...logs..to much space used by logs |
| 19:47.18 | Deeah | tziku: rm /var/log/* ? |
| 19:47.27 | Braindead | Deeah: please... |
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| 19:47.35 | Deeah | Braindead: ? |
| 19:47.52 | Braindead | tziku: logrotate should do the job. if your machine isn't up 24/7 install anacron |
| 19:47.54 | tziku | so..if i delete all i quess mysql, apache and other programs can't create folders back |
| 19:48.10 | Deeah | tziku: rm does not delete directories, only files. |
| 19:48.15 | Xteven | has any of you gotten ICH8R or P965 to work in 2.6.17 ? I have this new computer and it just won't boot the install CD because it can't find the CDROM drive |
| 19:48.38 | Braindead | Deeah: first off it was a raw and brutal solution. on secound thought don't ever say to use rm (as root) to a noob |
| 19:48.41 | Deeah | tziku: Or not with the options I gave you at least. |
| 19:48.46 | cydork | oKtosiTe, tried putting it in modules? |
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| 19:50.24 | blondie | Braindead: never delete files!!!!!! |
| 19:50.46 | Deeah | Braindead: I thought my solution was pretty good. and simple. |
| 19:50.55 | blondie | I'd agree with Deeah |
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| 19:51.05 | Braindead | yeah,brutal and useless. |
| 19:51.13 | Deeah | He even knew about if his directories were deleted new log file wouldn't be created. So I do not think tziku is a noob. |
| 19:51.19 | Braindead | instead of fixing things the correct way...with logrotate |
| 19:51.23 | blondie | Braindead: no, it would do exactly what he asked for |
| 19:51.52 | Deeah | Braindead: I like how you label your method the "correct" way. |
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| 19:51.54 | cydork | oKtosiTe, ping |
| 19:51.58 | Braindead | if the logs get too big configure logrotate/cron/anacron. a manual delete isn't a solution |
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| 19:52.17 | Braindead | fixing the tubes compared to draining out some shit,if you get the analogy |
| 19:52.21 | GuZ | oh, btw |
| 19:52.40 | GuZ | what's pts/21 stand for? under teletype |
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| 19:53.15 | blondie | the 21st pseudo terminal |
| 19:53.16 | asg | GuZ: pseudo-terminal #21 |
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| 19:54.14 | GuZ | why pseudo? |
| 19:54.32 | blondie | because it's not a real one |
| 19:54.40 | blondie | where real one = local console |
| 19:54.50 | GuZ | argh, I need to relearn 'ms-dos' |
| 19:54.56 | blondie | if you login by ssh, you get a pts |
| 19:54.59 | GuZ | you know command-line and such |
| 19:55.04 | blondie | no |
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| 19:55.07 | GuZ | ah, ok |
| 19:55.26 | asg | GuZ: comparing DOS to a Unix shell is absurd |
| 19:55.33 | GuZ | I digged that 600613 site |
| 19:55.56 | GuZ | asg: I wasn't comparing |
| 19:56.03 | GuZ | I was referring |
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| 19:56.55 | jvm | hello |
| 19:57.02 | applet | can anyone help with 9200 setup please ? |
| 19:57.22 | jvm | i tried to create a encrypted container with loop-aes, but /dev/loop0 doesn |
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| 19:57.25 | jvm | t exist |
| 19:57.26 | GuZ | when I think about it, it may have been comparing after all... *GUZ shamed himself, and apologizes to all who may have been offended* |
| 19:57.39 | jvm | do |
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| 19:57.49 | jvm | i've to load some kernel module or something? |
| 19:57.53 | cydork | GuZ, apology excepted :) |
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| 19:59.18 | chin1 | how does debian install the hd fro you ? |
| 19:59.28 | Maquiavelo | If you are looking for maintenance tools, what would you say you use the most? I was thinking of fsck, but I don't know what else |
| 19:59.37 | chin1 | i have like weird partition schema that only shows up at partition 5 |
| 19:59.53 | chin1 | and cfdisk says the first partition starts after the end of the disk |
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| 20:00.21 | Assid | heya |
| 20:00.59 | Assid | um which glibc does stable use ?2.2/2.3 ? |
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| 20:01.49 | wols_ | Assid: packages.debian.org |
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| 20:02.00 | Pedro420 | nvz: Nandrew ? |
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| 20:02.32 | Assid | libc6 package right ? |
| 20:02.49 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 20:02.49 | dpkg | from memory, qotd84 is <Guerin> i suck, you know this. |
| 20:02.59 | cydork | Assid, or /msg dpkg info libc6 sarge |
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| 20:03.21 | Assid | yeah . 2.3 |
| 20:03.27 | Pedro420 | Could someone tell me a program I could use to read a .fdb file ? |
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| 20:03.46 | tziku | joe ? |
| 20:03.47 | tarzeau | Pedro420: what says file the.fdb ? |
| 20:05.07 | Assid | great thanks |
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| 20:05.51 | Pedro420 | tarzeau: Someone emailed me an application I need to fill out but its an .fdb file and my pc says no viewer on it ca n view it. |
| 20:06.03 | tarzeau | Pedro420: did you do what i told you? |
| 20:06.07 | tarzeau | Pedro420: run "file the.fdb" |
| 20:06.13 | cr3 | is there a way to run a command using ssh (ssh user@host command) and simulate a full login which would source the remote .profile? |
| 20:06.24 | tarzeau | cr3: yes |
| 20:06.39 | dondelelcaro | cr3: non-login shells do it all the time; you can also force a shell to be a login shell if you want |
| 20:07.16 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: I looked at the ssh manpage and it seemed that -t would be a likely option, but that didn't work |
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| 20:07.42 | asg | cr3: -t forces a pseudo terminal to be created regardless. |
| 20:07.53 | dondelelcaro | cr3: no, you want to do something like ssh foohost 'sh --login -c blah blah blah blah' |
| 20:07.56 | cr3 | asg: won't that source the remote .profile? |
| 20:08.01 | dondelelcaro | cr3: no |
| 20:08.14 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: darn, I'll try your suggestion |
| 20:08.21 | dondelelcaro | cr3: sourcing the .profile requires there not to be a .bash_profile, and the shell to be an interactive login shell. |
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| 20:08.35 | dondelelcaro | cr3: if you know you really want it sourced, you're probably better off sourcing it yourself. |
| 20:08.56 | dondelelcaro | something like ssh foohost ' . .profile; blah blah blah' would do it |
| 20:09.26 | brain-xy | hello.. i got a problem with ethernet bridging and i think this is the best place i could find a solution :) .. if i activate the bridging script my server blocks all connections.. so no ssh connection is available and that's why i have to wait till monday to restart it >:( |
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| 20:09.51 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: I prefer the --login option, thanks :) |
| 20:10.30 | brain-xy | does anybody know why my server blocks all connection while the bridging script is running? |
| 20:11.14 | asg | brain-xy: try ##networking also |
| 20:11.21 | brain-xy | k.. thx |
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| 20:12.09 | cydork | oKtosiTe, ping |
| 20:12.59 | tziku | i updated my system kernell fro 2.4 to 2.6. How can i start a program uding 2.4 kernell ? |
| 20:13.20 | Braindead | you can't. |
| 20:13.34 | tziku | sure ? |
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| 20:13.49 | tziku | i know how...but i don't remember... |
| 20:14.02 | Knorrie | user mode linux |
| 20:14.50 | Braindead | uml or qemu |
| 20:14.53 | tziku | yeah... .bash_history rullz :D: "env LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 ./program" |
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| 20:15.18 | GuZ | ok, new question |
| 20:15.57 | Braindead | well,you're actually not using it... |
| 20:16.02 | GuZ | two or more processes may run parallelly, even though there's only one cpu |
| 20:16.27 | asg | GuZ: are these homework questions? |
| 20:16.46 | GuZ | the way I see it, two processes cannot run at the same time, but they're run by threads |
| 20:16.56 | GuZ | yes and no |
| 20:17.03 | asg | GuZ: two threads can't run at the same time either if there is only one CPU. |
| 20:17.13 | Braindead | GuZ: get back to Tanenbaum's book or whatever you should study |
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| 20:17.52 | Braindead | and get off my lawn! whippersnapper |
| 20:18.00 | GuZ | yes, because it's part of an assignment |
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| 20:18.17 | GuZ | and no, because I'm discussing it with two other people |
| 20:19.26 | tziku | LOL -> How can i modify system uptime ? |
| 20:19.35 | asg | tziku: reboot |
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| 20:19.43 | cydork | hhehhe |
| 20:19.43 | tziku | ha :) i want bigger |
| 20:19.58 | asg | tziku: uptime > foo ; vi foo |
| 20:19.59 | GuZ | about the threads: process 1 runs x instructions, then jumps to another thread, process 2, which runs y instructions, then jumps back to process 1 and so on |
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| 20:20.16 | tziku | no :) |
| 20:20.18 | asg | tziku: or mv uptime uptime.orig ; echo 'fake crap' > uptime |
| 20:20.35 | Braindead | tziku: http://people.redhat.com/drepper/assumekernel.html ,if it works for your old broken application fine for you |
| 20:20.36 | GuZ | the assignment is easy, but the questions i'm asking are for myself |
| 20:20.43 | MustangMatt | Pecl is exploding on me: http://pastebin.ca/164618 |
| 20:20.53 | MustangMatt | I'm not sure how to find out more detail. |
| 20:21.00 | GuZ | and to get corrected if i'm wrong about my opinions |
| 20:21.05 | asg | tziku: anything else will require kernel hackage |
| 20:21.29 | GuZ | cydork: that hurt :'( |
| 20:22.18 | GuZ | but am I right about the thread thing? |
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| 20:23.06 | cydork | !stfw GuZ |
| 20:23.11 | cydork | !stfw |
| 20:23.11 | dpkg | [stfw] Search The Fucking Web, a modern incarnation of RTFM. <http://google.com/>, <http://google.com/linux>, <http://www.google.com/help/index.html>, <http://groups.google.com/>, <http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/bart.gif>, <http://tldp.org/>. |
| 20:23.16 | cydork | GuZ, ^^ |
| 20:23.29 | cydork | :) |
| 20:23.36 | tziku | !tell tziku about rtfm |
| 20:23.46 | asg | GuZ: ultimately, the scheduler implementation decides what context is running and when. |
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| 20:24.34 | Braindead | and think of poor starving philosophers! every time you touch yourself a dining philosopher dies! |
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| 20:25.11 | MustangMatt | If I can install a pecl module under ubuntu but not under debian, is that enough to consider it a debian issue and ask questions about it in here? |
| 20:25.12 | cydork | GuZ, google for multitasking, time-sharing |
| 20:25.17 | asg | Braindead: do fondling philosophers hear the sound of trees that don't fall in the woods though? |
| 20:25.44 | Braindead | asg: they're too busy stealing each other's forks |
| 20:26.00 | asg | Braindead: real philosophers use ice picks though |
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| 20:27.49 | GuZ | I really do prefer asking other people, rather than searching the web for it. Not because i'm too lazy, which by the way i'm not (mostly), but because I learn stuff better from other people than written material. |
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| 20:30.04 | Braindead | GuZ: bullshit. |
| 20:30.06 | GuZ | besides, I also get answers to questions I hadn't thought of asking, like stfw. Never heard that one before now... |
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| 20:30.47 | GuZ | believe what you want, Braindead. I am me, and that's the way I am. |
| 20:30.55 | Braindead | you're lazy. |
| 20:31.10 | Braindead | at least you could be a bit more sincere |
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| 20:33.49 | tziku | !tell tziku about rtft |
| 20:34.02 | cydork | !tell tziku about msg the bot |
| 20:34.05 | Braindead | tziku: dpkg should work in query |
| 20:34.09 | tziku | !rtft MustangMatt |
| 20:34.28 | MustangMatt | tziku: Read the fing ... what's the t? |
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| 20:34.34 | tziku | !tell MustangMatt about rtft |
| 20:34.49 | xplic1t | ...tutorial |
| 20:34.56 | MustangMatt | It was topic actually. |
| 20:34.57 | GuZ | ok, Braindead. Sincerity: I'm extremely lazy when it comes to doing stuff I don't want to do, like cleaning and vacuming and so on. Also, I like to learn, and want to learn. |
| 20:35.05 | MustangMatt | I'm not an irc user though, what's the proper way to read the topic? |
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| 20:35.18 | tziku | UP...first line on channel. |
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| 20:35.24 | tziku | scroll up |
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| 20:35.29 | Braindead | or just /topic |
| 20:35.37 | bofh80 | ello ello ello |
| 20:35.37 | klug | tarzeau: will that script work for gentoo ? |
| 20:35.43 | MustangMatt | My buffer doesn't go back that far. I could leave an rejoin but I'll lose this buffer :( |
| 20:36.00 | MustangMatt | the /topic doesn't work not enough parameters. |
| 20:36.10 | tziku | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu |
| 20:36.19 | MustangMatt | I'm asking a sarge question |
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| 20:36.22 | Braindead | GuZ: let's put it clear: you're too lazy to even look up on wikipedia for this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_multitasking . you just wanted it to be chewed and thrown up on your throat |
| 20:36.25 | MustangMatt | The pecl module won't install on sarge. |
| 20:36.43 | MustangMatt | It WORKs on ubuntu which is why I'm wondering why sarge is giving me difficulties. |
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| 20:37.18 | tarzeau | klug: which one? |
| 20:37.27 | Ono | i need help to install nvidia driver |
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| 20:37.34 | Ono | i get this error |
| 20:37.35 | Ono | ERROR: Unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel. |
| 20:37.35 | Ono | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.35 | Ono | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.35 | Ono | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.36 | Ono | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:37.36 | tarzeau | Ono: www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
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| 20:38.07 | MustangMatt | Could somone try to install geoip-0.2.0 on sarge and let me know your results. |
| 20:38.17 | tarzeau | MustangMatt: is it free software? |
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| 20:38.24 | MustangMatt | tarzeau: yes |
| 20:38.28 | tarzeau | MustangMatt: url? |
| 20:38.34 | Skilled | How can i connect my linux box to the internet? |
| 20:38.41 | tarzeau | Skilled: using a cable? |
| 20:38.44 | MustangMatt | http://www.maxmind.com/app/c |
| 20:38.50 | Skilled | i have cable |
| 20:38.53 | tarzeau | Skilled: good |
| 20:39.01 | Braindead | maybe it's not long enough |
| 20:39.02 | MustangMatt | tarzeau: and then pecl install geoip-0.2.0 after compiling. |
| 20:39.15 | Skilled | its 10 m |
| 20:39.19 | Skilled | cause i have laptop |
| 20:39.24 | MustangMatt | tarzeau: Alternately, you may be able to use libgeoip-dev package |
| 20:39.56 | tarzeau | MustangMatt: why not geoip 1.4.0? why 0.2.0? |
| 20:40.20 | MustangMatt | tarzeau: 1.4.0 is the library. 0.2.0 is the pecl module for php |
| 20:40.20 | tarzeau | MustangMatt: and yeah there's libgeoip... |
| 20:40.37 | tarzeau | MustangMatt: oh i don't want any php stuff :) |
| 20:40.40 | MustangMatt | Here's what I get when I try to install the pecl module: http://pastebin.ca/164618 |
| 20:40.47 | Skilled | pls help |
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| 20:41.25 | dendrite | Skilled: There are a number of steps to connecting. Can you be more specific as to what problem you're having? |
| 20:42.05 | Skilled | i want to use internet, but i dont know how to connect |
| 20:42.13 | Skilled | Linux is running..... |
| 20:42.33 | dendrite | Skilled: Have you contacted an Internet Service/Access Provider and purchased service? |
| 20:42.44 | MustangMatt | Skilled: do you have an IP? (ifconfig) |
| 20:42.49 | GuZ | like I said, Braindead, believe what you want. You're allowed to do that. |
| 20:42.49 | GuZ | But I hadn't thought of wikipedia. Thanks for that one. I'll use that one as well f.n.o. :) |
| 20:42.52 | wols_ | dendrite: considering he's in here.... |
| 20:42.56 | Skilled | i have internet in windows |
| 20:43.07 | wols_ | Skilled: how do you connect to the internet? via router, cable, dsl, erc? |
| 20:43.09 | Skilled | my isp gave me dsl |
| 20:43.15 | Skilled | 384kbps |
| 20:43.26 | wols_ | does your dsl require username and password? |
| 20:43.26 | dendrite | Skilled: OK, and how is the windows machine connected? Directly to the "modem" ? |
| 20:44.15 | Skilled | i think... someone came to me to fix it, its router i think |
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| 20:44.24 | Braindead | Skilled: it took us 5 minutes to actually start focusing on the problem,please be more precise |
| 20:44.39 | Ick | can anybody tell me how to use zip? i have friends who can't handle tars |
| 20:44.47 | MustangMatt | Is there a way to increase the log level for phpize? |
| 20:44.52 | Braindead | Ick: man zip surely can |
| 20:44.54 | dendrite | Skilled: Does the back of your router have more than one place labeled "LAN" ? |
| 20:44.55 | wols_ | Ick: man zip, man unzip |
| 20:44.59 | EdLin | Ick: man zip |
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| 20:45.12 | Ick | it's very long and i don't understand it very well |
| 20:45.20 | klug | tarzeau: im just wandering if the flglrx-driver for /etc/init.d is speciffic to Debian only. |
| 20:45.21 | Braindead | Ick: SYNOPSIS |
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| 20:45.22 | Skilled | it has 4 |
| 20:45.33 | Ick | it seems to focus on adding and updating files |
| 20:45.34 | dendrite | Skilled: Remember, we're not psychic, we can't see what you're seeing, so you need to be as descriptive as you can. |
| 20:45.36 | Braindead | zip blalblalba zipfile [ file1 file2 ...] |
| 20:45.39 | sed1 | goodbye suse..Hello debian! :) |
| 20:45.46 | tarzeau | klug: yes it is |
| 20:45.52 | klug | oh ok |
| 20:45.56 | tarzeau | klug: it uses debian tools |
| 20:46.00 | wols_ | http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
| 20:46.00 | Braindead | Ick: what's not clear about that |
| 20:46.01 | GuZ | what does ChanServ mean by using #flood instead of pasting? does it mean I can still type /msg blabla but not copypaste it? |
| 20:46.02 | wols_ | oops |
| 20:46.15 | dendrite | GuZ: Exactly. |
| 20:46.30 | GuZ | thanks |
| 20:46.32 | Ick | ah, i have it now |
| 20:46.34 | Ick | thank you |
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| 20:47.12 | sed1 | btw what's the most updated kernel in 3.1r3? 2.6.8-3-386 ? |
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| 20:47.31 | hobophobe | What controls the order that /etc/init.d scripts execute? |
| 20:47.50 | wols_ | hobophobe: names |
| 20:48.08 | wols_ | SXXname. where XX is a number. the lower the number the sooner it executes |
| 20:48.12 | hobophobe | ah, okay |
| 20:48.19 | Braindead | hobophobe: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-boot |
| 20:48.42 | wols_ | sed1: yes |
| 20:48.42 | hobophobe | Thanks guys |
| 20:48.44 | dendrite | hobophobe: ls -1 /etc/rc2.d/S* |
| 20:49.21 | dendrite | hobophobe: That is, since the default runlevel is 2... |
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| 20:50.39 | MustangMatt | Alright, I need a sarge user who's willing to install php modules to try and duplicate my problem with geoip. Any takers? |
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| 20:50.42 | cslater | Wanted to let folks know about the latest addition to instalinux.com... you can now download a vmware image and run your own local version |
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| 20:50.45 | cslater | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Instalinux_now_offers_a_custom_Linux_installation_VMware_appliance |
| 20:50.56 | tarzeau | cslater: who cares? |
| 20:50.59 | wols_ | stop spamming you idiot |
| 20:51.14 | hobophobe | And the scripts are executed as root, or as some special boot process user? |
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| 20:51.26 | wols_ | as root obviously |
| 20:51.46 | tziku | how can i have statistics for my server on web like this: http://server1.design-services.us/ ? |
| 20:52.16 | tarzeau | tziku: http://www.scribbytech.net/ |
| 20:52.32 | tarzeau | tziku: err phpinfo maybe? |
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| 20:52.52 | tziku | let's see with phpinfo first |
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| 20:53.14 | wols_ | this isn't phpinfo() |
| 20:53.18 | fplus | hi. how to make wget fetch a whole site? |
| 20:53.26 | GuZ | let me get this straight. the phrase 'GNU is not UNIX' is a recursive method run once, where 'GNU' actually stands for 'GNU is not UNIX'? |
| 20:53.29 | wols_ | wget -R |
| 20:53.36 | ktwilight | -m too |
| 20:53.54 | CHodapp | GuZ, run once? What? |
| 20:53.55 | GuZ | Braindead: I already googled and wikipediaed it |
| 20:53.58 | fplus | what's the difference/ |
| 20:54.00 | fplus | -m -R |
| 20:54.00 | fplus | ? |
| 20:54.13 | wols_ | fplus: man wget |
| 20:54.46 | Braindead | GuZ: no problem. your question doesn't make any sense anyway |
| 20:55.21 | MustangMatt | tziku: that's not a debian question gtfo |
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| 20:55.34 | wols_ | GuZ: just think long and hard what the term "recursive acronym" means |
| 20:56.09 | klug | is a Radeon 9550 compatable with fglrx ? |
| 20:56.20 | tarzeau | klug: should be, try it |
| 20:56.21 | wols_ | yes it is |
| 20:56.25 | klug | i cant find that info on ati.com |
| 20:56.27 | klug | ok |
| 20:56.29 | wols_ | at least ati says so... |
| 20:56.34 | klug | oh k |
| 20:56.42 | tarzeau | klug: the driver will let you know if it's not |
| 20:56.46 | klug | ok |
| 20:56.47 | klug | thanx |
| 20:56.48 | GuZ | oh, I know what a recursive acronym is. It's GNU that troubles me. |
| 20:57.02 | GuZ | It's a paradox |
| 20:57.15 | wols_ | klug: http://www.ati.com/developer/altoschart.pdf |
| 20:57.23 | Braindead | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_acronym |
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| 20:57.59 | wols_ | a radeon9550 is just a RV350 with a lower clockspeed than usual |
| 20:58.02 | xplic1t | guz: taken to 3 levels, for ex: GNU { GNU { GNU is not Unix } is not Unix } is not Unix |
| 20:58.02 | ph00_phyter | gnu = gnu is not unix = recursive acronym (the G in gnu stands for.. gnu) |
| 20:58.25 | cslater | would someome mind msg'ing me about why I got booted? I really didn't mean any offense - just wanted folks to know this was out there |
| 20:58.54 | Braindead | GuZ: do you also need people's help to understand jokes? you just don't get it by reading it? |
| 20:58.54 | wols_ | cslater: cause you are a spammer. we don't like spammers |
| 20:59.04 | cslater | one line is spam? |
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| 20:59.14 | wols_ | a single letter can be spam |
| 20:59.16 | ph00_phyter | FIAFL = fuckfreenet is (an) anti freenet league is also a recursive accronym |
| 20:59.17 | Braindead | cslater: spam + http://www.oszoo.org is far better |
| 20:59.19 | ph00_phyter | -c |
| 20:59.24 | cslater | My site is actually referenced in the Debian wiki... http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 20:59.26 | Braindead | cslater: viagra c14lis |
| 20:59.56 | cslater | whatever |
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| 21:00.03 | tarzeau | wols_: a single letter can also be the end in nethack |
| 21:00.20 | tarzeau | i mean, just imagine a black D |
| 21:00.31 | wols_ | tarzeau: don't make me cry. again |
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| 21:01.34 | bt- | Good evening. I am troubling with booting dom0 with Xen, the last message I can see on the display is "xen trace buffers: disabled" then it reboots. Tried both with the debian kernel packages vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-xen-686 and 2.6.16-2, and the problem is the same. Anyone who have any experience with this ? |
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| 21:01.54 | tarzeau | whoever chose the colors for http://www.debian.org/ has no harmonic sense of colors |
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| 21:02.07 | tarzeau | THE COLORS ON WWW.DEBIAN.ORG ARE ABSOLUTELY FUCKING UGLY |
| 21:02.12 | tarzeau | gnaa that feels good |
| 21:02.17 | tarzeau | i should file a bug report |
| 21:02.34 | holdenSK | tarzeau: against which package ? :) |
| 21:02.38 | Braindead | tarzeau: it's all so....ubuntu (I mean the bug reporting on colors) |
| 21:02.39 | tarzeau | holdenSK: www |
| 21:02.49 | tuv | tarzeau, he must be an american |
| 21:02.51 | tarzeau | Braindead: ubunutu is worse, with its shit brown nazi color |
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| 21:02.55 | Braindead | tarzeau: btw those colours scare away computer illitterates |
| 21:03.02 | tarzeau | tuv: true :) |
| 21:03.07 | tarzeau | Braindead: which? |
| 21:03.12 | Braindead | debian's |
| 21:03.13 | tarzeau | Braindead: yes they do |
| 21:03.17 | tarzeau | Braindead: debians' |
| 21:03.26 | Braindead | that's their purpose |
| 21:03.26 | syntaxx_ | Sep 9 05:15:02 syntaxx kernel: Inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:0e:a6:76:56:2d:00 <-- what is this? i saw it in my syslog |
| 21:03.42 | wols_ | Braindead: that's their best feautre |
| 21:03.45 | tarzeau | Braindead: have you ever worked on a NeXTSTEP system? nice colors, good for the eyes |
| 21:03.49 | tarzeau | Braindead: gtk is worse too |
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| 21:04.05 | Braindead | I kinda like gtk...with terminus fonts |
| 21:04.10 | tarzeau | i'd give www.debian.org CMYK pure colors |
| 21:04.19 | Braindead | am I a sick psychopath? maybe... |
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| 21:04.33 | tarzeau | but this dark pure blue on the debian color, with the baby light blue IS JUST GIVING ME EYE CANCER |
| 21:04.34 | tuv | gentoo's website colors are nice! |
| 21:04.36 | tarzeau | (worse than XML) |
| 21:04.41 | tarzeau | tuv: gay |
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| 21:05.01 | streuner | !tell tarzeau about gay |
| 21:05.06 | tarzeau | tuv: they've got no style. violet is aggressive and unnatural |
| 21:05.10 | Braindead | tuv: of course,they're -funroll-looped |
| 21:05.17 | darsie | which debian (main, non-free, contrib) package can I use for java plugin for firefox? |
| 21:05.23 | tarzeau | streuner: i know about that factoid. but rainbow colored prompts (gentoo/knoppix) ARE GAY |
| 21:05.33 | Braindead | god,I feel like Vomiting frame pointers |
| 21:05.34 | tarzeau | streuner: this is not bad, or good. it's just what it is |
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| 21:06.00 | wols_ | tarzeau: catholics like violet. it's the color of bishops |
| 21:06.09 | tarzeau | wols_: i don't like catholics |
| 21:06.09 | tuv | darsie, non-free |
| 21:06.24 | wols_ | tarzeau: they don't like anyone else either, so I guess you two are even |
| 21:06.28 | darsie | tuv: which package? |
| 21:06.36 | tarzeau | wols_: i like some others |
| 21:06.38 | streuner | wols_: haha |
| 21:06.41 | wols_ | !tell darsie about java |
| 21:06.54 | tuv | darsie, which distribution are you using? stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 21:06.58 | Braindead | darsie: there's a full java runtime enviroment in sid,otherwise just roll your own up with java-package |
| 21:07.06 | Braindead | plus read what dpkg told ya |
| 21:07.18 | darsie | tuv: all, but testing preferred. |
| 21:08.18 | darsie | Braindead: I've seen the libgcj4 gij stuff. Is that it? |
| 21:08.53 | tuv | darsie, then dpkg must have told you how to install it from sid. install sun-java5-* |
| 21:09.24 | darsie | ok ... |
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| 21:10.49 | tuv | !tell darsie about install java |
| 21:11.09 | tuv | darsie, consider the last sentence in dpkg's message |
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| 21:14.16 | RichiH | how do i set the keymap for my ttys, again? |
| 21:14.30 | darsie | loadkeys |
| 21:14.31 | Braindead | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 21:15.06 | Devil_Kin | hey folks, is there any way to see the bandwidth allocations on the USB bus? |
| 21:15.37 | smagy2 | hello folks, would appreciate help on this. I have client A which has its home nfs mounted from B. there is another client X which has its home mounted from Y. I want to set up password less login from A to X , how would I do that? I generated dsa key on X and copied the public key and put in authorized hosts lists of X but it did not work |
| 21:16.25 | Blissex | smagy2: that for SSH or SSL? |
| 21:16.31 | smagy2 | SSH |
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| 21:17.36 | RichiH | Braindead: thanks |
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| 21:19.17 | bobbysmith007 | Does anyone know of a reason that it would be a bad idea to put the /etc directory into source control (darcs) ? |
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| 21:23.50 | darsie | I still have that memory overflow bug in apt when I have too many/big sources. My apt is the newest version. Is there really no fix for this oooold bug?? |
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| 21:24.12 | zaarg | darsie: fix it |
| 21:24.17 | darsie | :) |
| 21:24.22 | zaarg | open source and stuff |
| 21:24.22 | Braindead | less apt sources? :) |
| 21:24.38 | Braindead | it's god's way to tell you you have too many sources |
| 21:24.44 | zaarg | why have so many sources anyway? |
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| 21:25.11 | darsie | so I can install from stable/testing/unstable/security |
| 21:25.20 | zaarg | OH GOOD GOD NO |
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| 21:25.52 | darsie | no? |
| 21:26.03 | googlah | does any1 know any torrentclient to debian? |
| 21:26.11 | Braindead | you're using a mixed enviroment. still you came here to ask how to install a JRE. perfect recipe for a mess |
| 21:26.14 | Boudewijn36 | ktorrent |
| 21:26.32 | wols_ | googlah: apt-cache search torrent. metric ton of clients |
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| 21:26.48 | googlah | hmm, it shouldnt be GUI-based by the way |
| 21:27.03 | googlah | does that make it harder? |
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| 21:27.16 | wols_ | no |
| 21:27.25 | zaarg | ~backports |
| 21:27.34 | apt | [backports] http://www.backports.org |
| 21:27.34 | zaarg | !backports |
| 21:27.35 | dpkg | from memory, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 21:27.46 | LinuxHelp | What is, a real gooood ftp client, that supports recursive directory searching? |
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| 21:28.08 | darsie | Braindead: Well, I forgot that stable was commented out because of the bug. Otherwise I might have found the sun-java5 packages without asking. |
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| 21:28.57 | googlah | any CUI based torrentclient? |
| 21:29.14 | LinuxHelp | !CUI |
| 21:29.14 | dpkg | cui is probably commland line interface ;-)) |
| 21:29.23 | Boudewijn36 | heh |
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| 21:29.31 | Boudewijn36 | not that i know of |
| 21:29.43 | Braindead | googlah: apt-cache search torrent|wc -l 31 results. you could even try reading it |
| 21:30.05 | googlah | hehe yeah, CLI was what i was searching for :-) |
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| 21:30.53 | kbrooks | Question |
| 21:31.16 | bier_ | is there something like a system-wide sound equalizer? i am using alsa and want to be able to use a equalizer for all of my sound-sources (mic, line-in, pcm and so on...). |
| 21:31.34 | Braindead | aumix? alsamixer? |
| 21:31.46 | Braindead | aaah equalizer? |
| 21:31.54 | bier_ | yes, equalizer |
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| 21:32.09 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 21:32.15 | Braindead | well line signals shouldn't be equalized anyway ;) |
| 21:32.16 | LinuxHelp | !auqualizer |
| 21:32.49 | yoo | i 'm running on debian sid with nvidia drivers and Xorg |
| 21:32.58 | yoo | i must install Package nvidia-glx-legacy ? |
| 21:33.09 | yoo | or just keep nvidia-glx |
| 21:33.09 | tarzeau | yoo: just run www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 21:33.11 | azeem | yoo: that depends on which card you have |
| 21:33.13 | azeem | I think |
| 21:33.23 | yoo | ok |
| 21:33.29 | bier_ | brahma`: right - but i want to do so anyway ;-) |
| 21:33.31 | yoo | i will read |
| 21:33.47 | azeem | tarzeau: huh, what's that? |
| 21:33.48 | bier_ | err |
| 21:33.56 | bier_ | Braindead: right - but i want to do so anyway ;-) |
| 21:33.58 | bier_ | ;) |
| 21:34.01 | tarzeau | azeem: install and forget, like www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
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| 21:34.12 | tarzeau | azeem: we run alot of nvidia/ati graphics card workstations at work |
| 21:34.20 | tarzeau | azeem: and we often do kernel upgrades |
| 21:34.34 | tarzeau | azeem: so i automated it (don't tell me it's ugly, i know myself) |
| 21:34.41 | azeem | what if some interfaces change and you need to change the script? |
| 21:34.46 | azeem | or does that not happen? |
| 21:34.56 | tarzeau | azeem: then i will update the script. it's still running, since half a year |
| 21:35.04 | tarzeau | azeem: about 50 computers |
| 21:35.12 | azeem | tarzeau: I mean, what about the people you tell to download it? |
| 21:35.14 | tarzeau | we've got 150 , but only 50 have ati/nvidia |
| 21:35.35 | tarzeau | azeem: it'll be less a hassle than when they do it manually EACH time |
| 21:35.38 | Braindead | yeah,maybe they'd be better off with module-assistant |
| 21:35.57 | tarzeau | it's a short and simple script, anyone can improve it as their needs are |
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| 21:36.08 | tarzeau | Braintix: it IS using m-a |
| 21:36.17 | bier_ | so there is no such system-wide equalizer? or a equalizer for the line out or something else? |
| 21:36.18 | azeem | tarzeau: how do you know yoo knows shell scripting? |
| 21:36.27 | azeem | well, anyway |
| 21:36.28 | tarzeau | azeem: of course i don't know that |
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| 21:36.55 | yoo | i know a few tarzeau azeem |
| 21:36.56 | tarzeau | bier_: alsamixer? aumix? volumecontrol.app? ocp? |
| 21:37.24 | tarzeau | azeem: and there's at least 5 people out there using those for at home or wherever (+ me at home) |
| 21:37.33 | Braindead | tarzeau: uh? m-a on this http://www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver ? |
| 21:37.42 | tarzeau | Braindead: no on the ati/fglrx-driver |
| 21:37.45 | bier_ | tarzeau: i don't talk about a volume manager - i am talking about a equalizer... where you can adjust frequencies |
| 21:37.48 | Braintix | tarzeau what ? |
| 21:37.48 | Braindead | ah |
| 21:37.59 | tarzeau | Braindead: if you tell me how/if i can use m-a on nvidia-driver, heck i'll do it |
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| 21:38.09 | dhuv | hello all |
| 21:38.11 | azeem | whoa that one runs the nvidia installer? |
| 21:38.18 | tarzeau | azeem: whoa, yes! |
| 21:38.24 | dhuv | I was wondering if anybody was also having problems using cpu frequency scaling with 2.6.16 |
| 21:38.25 | tarzeau | azeem: patches welcome |
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| 21:38.30 | azeem | tarzeau: please don't advertise it here |
| 21:38.38 | dhuv | I was using it for a while but has not worked since I upgraded to 2.6.16 |
| 21:38.54 | dhuv | it turns out that /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor is missing |
| 21:39.13 | Braindead | tarzeau: just ask dpkg about nvidia one-liner ;) |
| 21:39.22 | tarzeau | Braindead: that never worked for me |
| 21:39.30 | azeem | !doesnt work |
| 21:39.33 | azeem | hrm :) |
| 21:39.39 | Braindead | maybe god hates you |
| 21:39.47 | ktwilight | nvidia isn't in sarge or etch, IIRC |
| 21:39.57 | tuv | tarzeau, it always worked for me |
| 21:39.57 | Braindead | (I'm strongly atheist) |
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| 21:40.44 | damentz | Braindead: the religious to non religious for *unix users is like 1:100 |
| 21:40.54 | tuv | ktwilight, it is in sarge, but not etch |
| 21:40.57 | damentz | no suprise |
| 21:41.06 | tarzeau | azeem: we have very new nvidia cards, and stable has not 1.0.8774 |
| 21:41.07 | tuv | ktwilight, but you can use sid's for etch |
| 21:41.15 | ktwilight | o, my bad |
| 21:41.28 | tarzeau | besides we don't want to use non-free/contrib |
| 21:41.33 | tarzeau | (repositories) |
| 21:41.42 | azeem | tarzeau: "we" |
| 21:41.48 | tarzeau | azeem: wherever i work |
| 21:41.49 | azeem | that's totally fine, but please don't advocate it here |
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| 21:43.27 | ktwilight | tuv, yup, i know 'bout that. will just wait till it moves to etch instead :) |
| 21:43.57 | tuv | ktwilight, good luck with that. PS. it's been a long while since it was in testing |
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| 21:44.50 | tuv | ktwilight, actually the kernel module binary is in testing for latest kernels. nvidia-glx isn't though |
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| 21:45.58 | ktwilight | yup, i meant nvidia-glx |
| 21:45.58 | ktwilight | well, i can wait, since i have nothing worthy for it, except that i have to wait a long while before i can play 3d scorched, which is ok... |
| 21:46.17 | simonrvn | ktwilight: you a debian user too? |
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| 21:47.36 | darsie | hmm, java doesn't seem to work well. giving up for today ... thanks anyways. |
| 21:48.15 | cydork | !doesn't work |
| 21:48.15 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 21:48.23 | cydork | darsie, ^^ |
| 21:48.24 | cydork | :) |
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| 21:49.13 | darsie | :) |
| 21:49.15 | darsie | bye |
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| 21:49.28 | cydork | darsie, bye :) |
| 21:49.43 | ktwilight | yup :) |
| 21:49.44 | ktwilight | and so are you, i notice...haha |
| 21:49.48 | ktwilight | seems like many twiki users are ;) |
| 21:49.48 | simonrvn | yup :) |
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| 21:50.02 | simonrvn | yeh. Sven for example, and some others. |
| 21:50.24 | ktwilight | :) |
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| 21:54.54 | jelly | how come I get stuff in dmesg that doesn't appear in /var/log/kern.log? |
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| 21:59.16 | RichiH | nargh |
| 22:01.47 | RichiH | how can scp be made not to follow symlinks? |
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| 22:03.51 | kriel | does anybody know how to make irssi spit out a channel list? |
| 22:04.21 | q-parser | hi, I'm not Debianist therefore I need to know if Debian 2.6.* kernel binaries have High Memory enabled? |
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| 22:05.04 | streuner | yes |
| 22:05.16 | streuner | by default |
| 22:05.23 | simonrvn | RichiH: is there no 'no dereference' option? |
| 22:05.31 | RichiH | simonrvn: nope |
| 22:05.35 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 22:05.44 | RichiH | simonrvn: it has -r, which i need |
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| 22:06.11 | q-parser | streuner: you know, my friend have Debina server with 2GB RAM and he has only about 900MB available with 2.4 kernel |
| 22:06.59 | simonrvn | s/he needs to enable highmem |
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| 22:09.21 | GuZ | btw |
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| 22:09.31 | q-parser | simonrvn: he wants 2.6 kernel for it, well he doesn't, he would like to enable it, but we don't have kernel source |
| 22:09.42 | simonrvn | it's not like it's hard to get |
| 22:09.53 | GuZ | I think GNU should be added to wikipedias list of paradoxes |
| 22:09.59 | GuZ | the GNU paradox |
| 22:10.09 | simonrvn | ? |
| 22:10.20 | cydork | GuZ, wht the hell are you talkiln about? |
| 22:10.46 | q-parser | simonrvn: apt-get what? As I mentioned earlier I'm not Debianist. |
| 22:10.53 | GuZ | the recursive joke of gnu |
| 22:11.01 | xopher | how can I compile non-debian source code with pbuilder? |
| 22:11.02 | simonrvn | that's not a paradox |
| 22:11.11 | cydork | q-parser, kernel-source |
| 22:11.16 | RichiH | simonrvn: i found some mailing list entries about it.. |
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| 22:11.34 | simonrvn | ok |
| 22:11.34 | RichiH | simonrvn: it's basically saying 'fuck you, scp follows symlinks' |
| 22:11.41 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 22:11.50 | GuZ | ok, simonrvn. Explain what GNU stands for |
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| 22:12.00 | streuner | haha |
| 22:12.11 | streuner | GuZ: are you trolling? :-) |
| 22:12.18 | RichiH | GuZ: a joke is not a paradox |
| 22:12.28 | simonrvn | GuZ: that's not a paradox |
| 22:12.28 | GuZ | wtf is trolling? |
| 22:12.34 | Klowner2 | anyone know if there's some proper method to restart a daemon within a deb package's postinst script? |
| 22:12.36 | simonrvn | !dict paradox |
| 22:12.41 | dpkg | Dictionary 'paradox' (4 of 16): (1996-05-27) ;; (logic) a self-contradiction; "`I always lie' is a paradox because if it is true it must be false" ;; . 151 "paradox" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" paradox ;; 150 2 definitions retrieved 151 "paradox" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" Paradox. |
| 22:12.49 | RichiH | also, it is true. gnu is not unix. it my be *nix compatible, or unix compatible in the meantime |
| 22:12.53 | simonrvn | it's not contradictory |
| 22:12.59 | karsten | Klowner2: You probably want to look at the Debian Package Maintainer's guide. |
| 22:13.00 | SpComb | GuZ: inciting flamewars mainly |
| 22:13.03 | RichiH | back then, it was not even unix compatible, it was *nix compatible |
| 22:13.18 | GuZ | we all know that |
| 22:13.27 | Klowner2 | karsten: oookie dokie, off to google I go, ty |
| 22:13.30 | streuner | GuZ: a troll is someone who want annoy people |
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| 22:13.51 | streuner | very bad and most of all IRC-users hate trolls... |
| 22:14.26 | GuZ | when it comes to explaining what GNU stands for, that's when the paradox kicks in. |
| 22:14.42 | simonrvn | ... |
| 22:14.48 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 22:14.50 | cydork | ~troll guz |
| 22:14.51 | apt | ACTION hereby declares guz a troll |
| 22:15.26 | GuZ | dpkg: There's a reason I proposed GNU to be added to the paradox list |
| 22:15.26 | streuner | GuZ: don't say that in #debian, we like RMS and GNU very much |
| 22:15.27 | karsten | GuZ: There's a number of topics which tend to be considered trollish just be default. FAQs among them. |
| 22:15.54 | jelly | RichiH: eh, instead of scp you could use tar cf - files | ssh host2 tar xfv - and add whatever options for tar you like |
| 22:16.09 | karsten | GuZ: ... and at the point at which you've had that pointed out to you by several folks, it's considered polite to take the hint. |
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| 22:16.39 | simonrvn | and wise ... |
| 22:17.15 | RichiH | jelly: yah, i know. i am still pissed that there is no -n |
| 22:17.16 | GuZ | streuner: ah, ok. And no, it's not meant just to annoy people. |
| 22:17.38 | GuZ | actually it's not meant to annoy at all |
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| 22:18.56 | jelly | RichiH: scp might suck but I still use it all the time. I use sshfs for some stuff though, it's nice. |
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| 22:19.18 | RichiH | jelly: yes, i like scp, too. still. it sucks. |
| 22:19.38 | karsten | RichiH: You can pipe tar as well. |
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| 22:19.47 | RichiH | and 'be fully compatible to rsh protocol' is a very bad argument |
| 22:19.59 | shadow98 | im trying to compile vnc from source |
| 22:20.03 | GuZ | I was merely trying to find out what GNU stood for earlier today, and if one tries to explain what GNU stands for, it becomes pretty much impossible, thus becoming a type of paradox. |
| 22:20.14 | shadow98 | i got ./configure to work and make |
| 22:20.15 | cydork | shadow98, one question. why? |
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| 22:20.16 | karsten | RichiH: tar <options> <path> - | ssh user@remotehost 'cd <path>; tar xzvf -' |
| 22:20.20 | RichiH | karsten: yes, i know. still, it sucks. |
| 22:20.25 | streuner | GuZ: freedom |
| 22:20.27 | shadow98 | but make install doesnt work |
| 22:20.33 | karsten | RichiH: Dunno. I find it useful. What sucks? |
| 22:20.36 | jelly | GuZ: that's not a paradox, just a self-referential acronym. |
| 22:20.58 | karsten | GuZ: To understand recursion, one must first understand recursion. |
| 22:21.09 | holdenSK | karsten: indeed :_) |
| 22:21.13 | karsten | GuZ: Most people find that sort of thing to be really cool. |
| 22:21.13 | jelly | karsten: ?STACK OVERFLOW ERROR |
| 22:21.20 | karsten | GuZ: ... for about 15 minutes, when they're 16. |
| 22:21.24 | pickcoder | eh.. don't feed the trolls? |
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| 22:21.40 | karsten | GuZ: After which we sort of get on with things. |
| 22:21.47 | simonrvn | i *plonked* him 5 minutes ago |
| 22:21.54 | streuner | hm |
| 22:22.07 | karsten | simonrvn: The '-replies' argument is your friend. |
| 22:22.08 | cydork | same here :) |
| 22:22.18 | simonrvn | not using irssi ATM :/ |
| 22:22.28 | shadow98 | cydork: im trying to do the vnc hack |
| 22:22.30 | streuner | s/thing/think/ |
| 22:22.41 | blackelf | where to setup the defalt browser that thunderbird uses |
| 22:22.54 | blackelf | (or default browser for gtk? and general default browser) |
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| 22:23.30 | simonrvn | you can do that in gnome, kde, and using update-alternatives (hint, 'x-www-browser') |
| 22:23.47 | karsten | !comfort simonrvn |
| 22:23.48 | dpkg | There, there, simonrvn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:24.07 | simonrvn | i'm fine. but thanks anyway |
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| 22:25.18 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
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| 22:25.56 | typewriter | what do you edit to change the servers hostname? i tried /etc/hostname but it doesnt stick on reboots |
| 22:26.13 | GuZ | you guys don't seem to get it, do you? Seems to me that since you can't explain the unexplainable, you take it as a fact, then move on. And you call ME lazy... :p |
| 22:26.18 | simonrvn | i use /etc/sysctl.conf too |
| 22:26.25 | simonrvn | and /etc/hosts |
| 22:26.25 | blackelf | update-alternatives: unknown argument `x-www-browser' |
| 22:26.34 | GuZ | nawh, just kidding |
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| 22:26.47 | streuner | fuck, its a troll |
| 22:26.52 | garo | does hotmail check the MX of bar.com if it receives a mail from foo@bar.com ? |
| 22:26.53 | GuZ | i'll leave you guys alone now, and 'move on' |
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| 22:27.22 | karsten | GuZ: It's called a gaping time sink. Study LISP if you want to grok te initial humor. Understand that RMS is a LISP hacker |
| 22:27.41 | simonrvn | blackelf: sec |
| 22:27.52 | cydork | blackelf, --config |
| 22:28.08 | simonrvn | blackelf: you forgot an argument |
| 22:28.34 | simonrvn | blackelf: man update-alternatives; or read its --help |
| 22:29.02 | liable | blackelf: man update alternatives (--config) |
| 22:29.08 | garo | Iemand een idee of hotmail checkt of een mail weldegelijk van de mailserver van bar.com komt als die een mail krijgt van foo@bar.com ? |
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| 22:29.17 | liable | !lose me |
| 22:29.18 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 22:29.18 | streuner | liable: ! |
| 22:29.24 | garo | sorry, wrong channel |
| 22:29.30 | simonrvn | garo: english, please. thank you |
| 22:29.34 | simonrvn | ok :) |
| 22:29.40 | liable | streuner: !!? |
| 22:29.58 | simonrvn | liable, streuner: !!!????!!!?!?!?!?!?!!!?!!????? |
| 22:30.00 | streuner | "!" means hello |
| 22:30.07 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:30.12 | pickcoder | I thought it meant "not" |
| 22:30.17 | streuner | nah |
| 22:30.20 | pickcoder | heh |
| 22:30.24 | RichiH | karsten: that they decide to follow a hacked-up standard blindly and not just introduce a version 2.0 which can handle no-derefence. it's fully ok to follow a standard, but there is no reason not to imrpove on it while supporting the old stuff, too |
| 22:30.28 | Deepa | 5 exclamation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind. - Terry Pratchett |
| 22:30.31 | simonrvn | means, "wtf are you smoking, crack?!" |
| 22:30.35 | liable | heh |
| 22:30.36 | RichiH | !ep |
| 22:30.37 | dpkg | Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, elipse, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban. |
| 22:30.46 | streuner | simonrvn: hehe :-) |
| 22:31.04 | liable | i didnt know ! meant hello.. |
| 22:31.33 | liable | ! #debian :) |
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| 22:31.42 | karsten | RichiH: File a wishlist bug. |
| 22:31.54 | karsten | RichiH: rcp should be pretty much dead dead dead by now, now? |
| 22:31.55 | roberto | RichiH: do you watch Futurama? |
| 22:32.01 | karsten | RichiH: s/now/no/ |
| 22:32.03 | GuZ | gaping time sink, eh? |
| 22:32.04 | roberto | RichiH: I will kill you!!!!!!!!!!!!11111 |
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| 22:32.30 | streuner | today is friday, isn't it? :-) |
| 22:32.43 | karsten | !friday |
| 22:32.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, friday is Tardsday Eve Eve |
| 22:32.48 | roberto | Good news everyone, it is fridayo/ |
| 22:32.54 | streuner | haha |
| 22:33.06 | cydork | streuner, you need to get out often ! |
| 22:33.14 | streuner | roberto: thanks for confirmation :-) |
| 22:33.17 | simonrvn | !saturday |
| 22:33.17 | dpkg | saturday is probably Tardsday Eve |
| 22:33.22 | liable | saturday here |
| 22:33.38 | roberto | !monday |
| 22:33.38 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 22:33.40 | RichiH | karsten: well, that seems to be the official openssh stance |
| 22:33.41 | GuZ | thanks, karsten. That's the only good comment I got. And it makes sense too |
| 22:33.49 | xplic1t | !sunday |
| 22:33.49 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 22:34.09 | karsten | RichiH: what? Inane backward-compatibility, or to introduce new features? |
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| 22:34.39 | RichiH | karsten: not to break rsh protocol |
| 22:34.44 | karsten | RichiH: Note that there's the ssh standard to deal with, *and* a proprietary implementation of ssh. I'm sure theo will sing sweetly in your ear if you suggest this though. |
| 22:34.51 | RichiH | karsten: which is funny, considering they are the new standard |
| 22:35.10 | RichiH | karsten: yes, i can live without that experience ;) |
| 22:35.15 | karsten | RichiH: ... and there are other tools which use ssh transport which do do what you want. Including, say, rsync, which is massively superior in any number of ways. |
| 22:35.29 | RichiH | i am sure he has lots of valid reasons, but so have i ;) |
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| 22:35.43 | RichiH | karsten: for a single copy, rsync is overkill |
| 22:35.51 | RichiH | and i am aware of a thousand workarounds |
| 22:35.58 | karsten | RichiH: ... alternatively code it and submit the patch, which may be more persuasive. THere's also a bit of a move afoot to fork openssh given its development status. |
| 22:36.03 | RichiH | i still do not think not havin that feature is a good idea |
| 22:37.25 | streuner | hm, DonKarsten ? ;-) |
| 22:38.07 | karsten | streuner: I prefer Dawn Kee Ho! Ti |
| 22:38.26 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:38.44 | typewriter | how do i search for a file? |
| 22:38.51 | karsten | typewriter: man find |
| 22:38.56 | streuner | or locate |
| 22:39.02 | RichiH | karsten: i will take a lance instead |
| 22:39.32 | me_here | you forget the donkey :) lol |
| 22:39.35 | karsten | typewriter: Alternatively, 'locate' file if it's older than your last locatedb update (usually nightly 3-6 am or thereabouts). |
| 22:39.56 | karsten | typewriter: And there's also 'beagle' which is similar to OS X's "spotlight" search. |
| 22:40.21 | simonrvn | there's another one now, strigi |
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| 22:40.39 | simonrvn | uses clecene as backend as default |
| 22:40.44 | simonrvn | clucene* |
| 22:40.52 | karsten | simonrvn: No package found. |
| 22:40.57 | typewriter | I don't get find |
| 22:41.06 | streuner | heh |
| 22:41.07 | karsten | typewriter: find <path> <arguments> |
| 22:41.08 | simonrvn | sid |
| 22:41.17 | karsten | typewriter: Typically: find . -name <myfilename> |
| 22:41.49 | simonrvn | strigi-client; strigi-daemon; strigi-applet; ... |
| 22:42.06 | typewriter | doesn't seem to work, i did find / -name tcl.so |
| 22:42.06 | simonrvn | no it doesn't, MustangMutt |
| 22:42.11 | simonrvn | er, Matt |
| 22:42.17 | typewriter | and tcl.so exists cause i just made it |
| 22:42.24 | streuner | hm |
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| 22:42.37 | karsten | typewriter: You can glob files, you can restrict to file by type, user, group, modified date, maximum search depth, whether or not to follow symlinks, whether or not to traverse filesystems, case-insensitive searches, etc. |
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| 22:43.22 | GuZ | wow, lisp is cool |
| 22:43.30 | me_here | lol |
| 22:43.34 | typewriter | I'm just saying I ls, picked a file, did find . -name fileipicked |
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| 22:43.37 | typewriter | and it doesnt show up |
| 22:43.40 | typewriter | just to test it |
| 22:43.43 | GuZ | what lisp compiler would you recommend? |
| 22:43.55 | me_here | cmucl segfaults in etch |
| 22:44.01 | me_here | still! |
| 22:44.37 | me_here | only clisp left for common-lisp |
| 22:44.37 | karsten | typewriter: Is the file under your current working directory? |
| 22:44.45 | typewriter | yes |
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| 22:45.05 | typewriter | because i ls the current dir and picked a file to test |
| 22:45.06 | typewriter | hmm |
| 22:45.12 | karsten | typewriter: find . -name <file> |
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| 22:45.21 | karsten | typewriter: .. should work. If not, append "-print' to that. |
| 22:45.31 | karsten | typewriter: GNU find defaults to print, other finds don't. |
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| 22:45.38 | karsten | typewriter: ... or may not, at any rate. |
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| 22:46.00 | karsten | GuZ: Looks like probably clisp. Note that emacs itself has a pretty robust lisp interpreter. |
| 22:46.20 | me_here | and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not do what it's supposed to, it doesn't update the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file or write it |
| 22:46.29 | GuZ | ic |
| 22:46.36 | GuZ | thanks people |
| 22:46.40 | De_Mon | hrm... apt-show-versions is saying a package is unstable when it isnt, and apt-show-versions -i isn't fixing it. |
| 22:46.50 | typewriter | karsten it seems to only show dirs that match the parameter |
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| 22:46.54 | typewriter | not files |
| 22:47.06 | typewriter | I mean if you search for 'share' it'll show share/ but not say share.txt |
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| 22:47.35 | simonrvn | use globbing |
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| 22:47.43 | simonrvn | -name '*share*' |
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| 22:48.22 | karsten | typewriter: As I said: you can glob the filename. find does an exact match. So: find -name '*file*' or find -name \*file\* |
| 22:48.23 | typewriter | simonrvn that seems to work better :) |
| 22:48.45 | karsten | typewriter: You need to escape the wildcards. YOu can also use any of ".*[0-9]?" |
| 22:48.46 | simonrvn | typewriter: he (karsten) mentioned that |
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| 22:49.23 | karsten | typewriter: by escape: either quote (single ', not double ") to prevent the shell from expanding the glob, or single-character quote with \. |
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| 22:49.51 | karsten | typewriter: So: find -name \*file\[0-9\]\*' |
| 22:49.57 | typewriter | what's the dev package for tcl named? |
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| 22:50.12 | karsten | typewriter: ... will match any file with the literal 'file' followed by one or more of any number in it. |
| 22:50.14 | simonrvn | what's that factoid again about the needed *nix basics again? |
| 22:50.20 | wols_ | typewriter: apt-cache search tcl |grep dev |
| 22:50.22 | simonrvn | !basics |
| 22:50.25 | karsten | typewriter: ... and '.' isn't a wildcard, my bad. |
| 22:50.28 | simonrvn | !unix basics |
| 22:50.34 | simonrvn | pbpt |
| 22:50.42 | karsten | simonrvn: /msg dpkg listkeys basics |
| 22:51.05 | simonrvn | i know ;) |
| 22:51.17 | karsten | simonrvn: Hrm. Not finding it. |
| 22:51.24 | karsten | simonrvn: 'unix philosophy'. |
| 22:52.11 | De_Mon | find -name "*file*" works though |
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| 22:53.58 | simonrvn | not the one |
| 22:54.00 | karsten | De_Mon: Unless you've got a file named asdfilexyz in pwd. |
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| 22:54.17 | simonrvn | karsten: hey btw, you still on cairo for your twiki? |
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| 22:54.34 | ProN00b | anyone got a good solution to play FLV files ? |
| 22:54.39 | karsten | De_Mon: Hrm... |
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| 22:54.58 | ramiroec | just a question: is there a live cd, only to view Divx, DVD, .... ? |
| 22:55.12 | karsten | ramiroec: http://lwn.net/Distributions |
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| 22:55.33 | ramiroec | karsten : lets see the list... |
| 22:55.37 | karsten | ramiroec: Look under specialized distros. I think there area couple of multimedia ones. You may need wo drives. |
| 22:55.42 | karsten | simonrvn: cairo? |
| 22:55.59 | simonrvn | karsten: the old version (not twiki-4) |
| 22:56.20 | karsten | De_Mon: Odd. mkdir foo; cd foo; mkdir subdir; touch asdfilexyz subdir/myfile01 |
| 22:56.23 | karsten | simonrvn: Probably. |
| 22:56.37 | ramiroec | karsten : I think GeeXboX can be the best choise |
| 22:56.47 | De_Mon | karsten what are you going on about? |
| 22:56.50 | simonrvn | 'choice'. sorry, couldn't help it |
| 22:56.59 | karsten | De_Mon: find . -name "*file*" finds *both* files. find . -name *file* finds only one. |
| 22:57.13 | karsten | De_Mon: I thought double-quoting *didn't* prevent shell globbing. |
| 22:57.17 | simonrvn | @kill udev |
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| 22:57.36 | XtaktX | hi @ all |
| 22:57.37 | karsten | ramiroec: NFC. All I know is that that's one of the more comprehensive Linux distro lists I know. |
| 22:57.46 | XtaktX | I've got a question on Hotswapping |
| 22:57.49 | karsten | !ask |
| 22:57.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:57.57 | simonrvn | XtaktX: just ask, and read that ^^ |
| 22:58.19 | karsten | De_Mon: Just testing your assertion. Appears you're rihgt. Twists my understanding of shell expansion though. |
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| 22:58.40 | ramiroec | karsten : its ok, thanks! (...what is NFC ?..xD) |
| 22:58.50 | karsten | !nfc |
| 22:58.51 | dpkg | from memory, nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
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| 22:59.03 | De_Mon | karsten hehehe, sorry :) |
| 22:59.19 | karsten | De_Mon: Ah: double quoting preserves literal value of all characters except: $`\ and sometimes ! |
| 22:59.36 | XtaktX | I've got an IDE-Raid Controller in my "server". There are 2 Harddisks wich build an RAID1. I'm using HDD-Frames (in german: Wechselrahmen) wich are hotplugable... |
| 22:59.41 | karsten | De_Mon: So double-quoting *does* preserve: *?[charlist] |
| 22:59.50 | liable | hrm, no mouse and broken wireless firmware after a reboot, i'll have to abuse udev when i get home from work :( |
| 22:59.54 | XtaktX | can I just remove one of the Harddisks while the server is running? |
| 23:00.15 | karsten | XtaktX: There's one way to find out ... |
| 23:00.17 | De_Mon | XtaktX does it support hotswap? |
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| 23:00.28 | XtaktX | the frame does |
| 23:00.34 | karsten | XtaktX: However your HW vendor docs are going to be the authoritative source of information on that. |
| 23:00.41 | De_Mon | if the fram *and* the drive does... they you should be okay |
| 23:00.46 | De_Mon | frame |
| 23:00.51 | XtaktX | I dont know if my controller and my disks do |
| 23:00.53 | karsten | XtaktX: I'd test this in single-user mode with everything mounted read-only. |
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| 23:01.11 | karsten | XtaktX: Otherwise you're risking data loss or worse (eg: physical media damage). |
| 23:01.14 | XtaktX | won't I damage the HW? |
| 23:01.37 | karsten | XtaktX: If not the HW docs than a HW-related discussion w/ your specific kit. |
| 23:01.39 | De_Mon | I've hotswapped stuff that isn't hotswappable without damaging it, but there is that risk |
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| 23:01.59 | karsten | De_Mon: Thanks, I've learned (or re-learned) something I _really_ ought to have down pat. |
| 23:02.08 | XtaktX | so I better let that be and turn down that box if a harddisk crashes... |
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| 23:02.28 | karsten | XtaktX: I'd say the answer at this point is ... |
| 23:02.33 | karsten | XtaktX: ... a definite maybe. |
| 23:02.35 | simonrvn | i've done it on scsi drives, but i disengaged them from the bus first. not always successfully either (about 80%) |
| 23:02.37 | De_Mon | hehehehe |
| 23:02.42 | De_Mon | go 8ball go |
| 23:03.04 | De_Mon | you can power off the drive using hdparm too. |
| 23:03.17 | XtaktX | hotswapping is not that important for me ;) |
| 23:03.25 | De_Mon | playing with fire is fun until all your precious data is scrap metal |
| 23:03.26 | simonrvn | oh yeh, and powered them down, too |
| 23:04.13 | sky123 | hello, this is question is really related as a debian/ubuntu question - I have openldap working for authentication and Im trying to configure TLS/SSL and having a bear of a time as the slapd.conf simply has an entry for what looks like a snakeoil public and private cert...however, I cant seem to follow how to "enable" it for tls/ssl support. Can someone help out?? |
| 23:04.46 | XtaktX | thx. sp far, I'll go sleep now |
| 23:04.47 | XtaktX | n8 |
| 23:05.06 | simonrvn | it won't work unless you either a) make yourself a self-signed cert b) match the server's hostname/dns name to the cert's CN |
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| 23:05.26 | simonrvn | a) implies you make a CA cert first |
| 23:05.30 | yohan | when compiling a source and if i want to make a .deb package for easy removal, what is the command nowagain? |
| 23:05.38 | yohan | something before make install i remember :) |
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| 23:06.10 | simonrvn | you remember incorrectly |
| 23:06.22 | simonrvn | !tell yohan about nmg |
| 23:06.34 | sky123 | simonrvn: okay...so far these exist... - TLSCertificateFile /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem and TLSCertificateKeyFile /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key |
| 23:06.43 | simonrvn | so? |
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| 23:07.03 | yohan | not like that simonrvn, just for installing |
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| 23:07.12 | shadowarts | can i make it so apt-get always prompts me before actually doing anything |
| 23:07.18 | simonrvn | yohan: oh, you mean dpkg -i |
| 23:07.19 | sky123 | simon: but no entry at all for - TLSVerifyCLient demand or TLSCipherSuite HIGH:MEDIUM:+SSLv2 |
| 23:07.48 | simonrvn | yohan: man dpkg |
| 23:08.01 | yohan | no i mean i have a source and instead of installing with "make install" there was a command you could pull in order to make a package from the source and then install it |
| 23:08.07 | sky123 | simorvn: but no entry at all for - TLSVerifyCLient demand or TLSCipherSuite HIGH:MEDIUM:+SSLv2 so does that need to be added? and which of these do i have to copy over to the client?? |
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| 23:08.16 | simonrvn | sky123: this is pointless until your cert is actually valid, which i doubt it is |
| 23:08.21 | Vasistha | shadowarts: I believe it always prompts when it needs to install something in addition to what you've specified on the command line; additionally, there's I think an '-n' switch that does a simulated mode ... man apt-get though, there might be a switch like what you want |
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| 23:08.33 | sky123 | simonrvn: self signing it wont work?? |
| 23:08.40 | simonrvn | i didn't say that |
| 23:08.53 | sky123 | so you assumed that??..lol |
| 23:09.01 | sky123 | its valid |
| 23:09.02 | simonrvn | the cert's CN MUST MATCH the server's dns/host name |
| 23:09.09 | sky123 | and it does |
| 23:09.16 | shadowarts | Vasistha, yeah i looked at the man page and didnt really see anything for it :S |
| 23:09.17 | simonrvn | you sure? |
| 23:09.26 | sky123 | 11000% positive |
| 23:09.54 | simonrvn | hehehe, ok :). what's the error you get when you try something TLS/SSL? |
| 23:10.06 | eimajenthat | hi, I'm not trying to start a flame session, just trying to get some technical facts here: I've run Ubuntu and Debian on the same machine with various desktops: Xfce, Gnome, KDE, and Debian always seems to my subjective eye to be faster than Ubuntu with the same desktop, significantly so, especially with XFCE. Why is that? |
| 23:10.10 | karsten | OK, for all you Python fans out there, proof that no job is too big to swallow: http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,20372915-5006003,00.html |
| 23:10.44 | karsten | eimajenthat: That's not the sort of question that's readily addressed on an IRC channel. |
| 23:11.05 | Vasistha | eimajenthat: probably because ubuntu is running more services by default ... that's my guess. but it's off-topic. You could ask in, e.g., #freenode-social |
| 23:11.08 | karsten | eimajenthat: You'd need to sort out the various factors involved in performance. "To your subjective eye" really isn't a good benchmark. |
| 23:11.22 | sky123 | well its more of the "other" directives...and honestly..i dont know what else should be added to ldap.conf or slapd.conf that "turn on" tls support.. also im a little unclear as to which cert to drop in to the client.. thats..where my newbness shines.. :) |
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| 23:13.11 | simonrvn | sky123: client doesn't need one necessarily. you can set that to allow, and if a client cert is presented, it'll accept it, and it'll accept it if there isn't one. it's between none (i think it's called none) and demand |
| 23:13.35 | sky123 | i see |
| 23:13.36 | simonrvn | karsten: that's one hell of a greedy-gut snake |
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| 23:13.59 | sky123 | simonrvn: will do...let me set that and see what happens.. |
| 23:14.03 | karsten | simonrvn: You did read down to the croc story, no? |
| 23:14.19 | sky123 | simonrvn: thnx for help so far |
| 23:14.22 | simonrvn | yes. exploded after trying to eat a 1,8m croc... wth... |
| 23:14.27 | wols_ | karsten: I did, but I must say "pics or shen!" |
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| 23:14.30 | simonrvn | sky123: np |
| 23:14.38 | De_Mon | http://pastebin.ca/164761 |
| 23:14.40 | karsten | wols_: ?? shen? |
| 23:14.44 | De_Mon | is it just me or is that a little 'odd' |
| 23:14.51 | De_Mon | freeradius is listed 3 times |
| 23:14.57 | wols_ | shenanigans. ie a lie |
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| 23:15.17 | De_Mon | wols_ that means shen is shenanigans |
| 23:15.36 | karsten | De_Mon: It's not only free, it's copiously free. |
| 23:17.45 | simonrvn | er, gator. no crocs in .fl.us |
| 23:18.04 | karsten | simonrvn: Point. |
| 23:19.09 | simonrvn | gators have the pointy snouts, the crocs have the rounded snouts |
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| 23:19.53 | simonrvn | http://www.hiddenfromhistory.org/ |
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| 23:24.58 | sprink_ | are there any good docs for bootstrapping debian from say knoppix? |
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| 23:25.38 | sprink_ | my cd-drive gets detected in knoppix, but not in debian, so I figured its probably possible to install debian from knoppix? |
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| 23:25.47 | karsten | sprink_: chroot install, debtakeover |
| 23:26.01 | karsten | !tell sprink_ about chroot install |
| 23:26.03 | klork | hullo all |
| 23:26.04 | karsten | !tell sprink_ about debtakeover |
| 23:26.08 | klork | hi karsten :) |
| 23:26.13 | sprink_ | thank you karsten |
| 23:26.17 | karsten | klork: Hola. |
| 23:26.19 | karsten | sprink_: NP. |
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| 23:27.15 | klork | my X still not coming up.... now using a PS2 mouse cat /dev/psaux working fine.... but X still aint starting here are the errors http://pastebin.ca/164767 |
| 23:27.25 | karsten | sprink_: chroot install is docuented in the Debian Installation Manual, appendix C4. Based on my own documents. debtakeover is a newer method. |
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| 23:28.06 | PumpkinPie | whats that compression where theres no cpu usage for decompression? |
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| 23:28.31 | karsten | PumpkinPie: Um. Likely none. |
| 23:28.45 | karsten | PumpkinPie: OTOH, decompression generally takes vastly less work than compression. |
| 23:28.57 | PumpkinPie | there is one |
| 23:29.38 | zinx | no, there's not |
| 23:29.48 | zinx | but there are ones where the decompression is very fast |
| 23:29.58 | De_Mon | PumpkinPie that would be the compression 'store' |
| 23:30.00 | PumpkinPie | eh its all relative |
| 23:30.00 | zinx | it's not possible for it to take "no" cpu |
| 23:30.13 | PumpkinPie | I mean 'very fast' depression |
| 23:30.22 | PumpkinPie | lol |
| 23:30.31 | PumpkinPie | s/depression/decompression |
| 23:30.34 | De_Mon | well, gzip is faster than bzip |
| 23:30.38 | zinx | i recommend a downer for very fast depression |
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| 23:30.47 | De_Mon | and gzip -1 is faster than gzip -9 |
| 23:31.05 | PumpkinPie | nvm found what I was looking for, LZO |
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| 23:33.25 | PumpkinPie | LZO: Allows you to dial up extra compression at a speed cost in the compressor. The speed of the decompressor is not reduced. |
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| 23:35.38 | karsten | PumpkinPie: Talk to your friendly (?) neighborhood bipolar. |
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| 23:36.49 | bipolar | karsten: no, he hasn't.... |
| 23:36.51 | klork | guys, plzz check my startx output http://pastebin.ca/164767 |
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| 23:38.30 | karsten | klork: Nothing immediately evident there. |
| 23:38.47 | klork | hmm |
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| 23:40.33 | Vasistha | alright, I think I've got a big hint on this ethernet card not working. according to dmesg, the IRQ is set to 0. But cat /proc/interrupts says the timer is at IRQ 0. Could this be my problem? |
| 23:41.25 | klork | my whole usb system seems aint working too...... lsusb gives no output whatsoever |
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| 23:45.28 | dendrite | klork: What flavor of debian? |
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| 23:47.42 | klork | dendrite, sid |
| 23:48.07 | dendrite | klork: Recent upgrade of udev? |
| 23:48.12 | klork | problems arose after updating yesterday |
| 23:49.12 | dendrite | klork: What version of udev? |
| 23:49.12 | klork | 0.100-1 |
| 23:49.12 | dendrite | klork: Check this out: http://kanotix.com/ |
| 23:49.12 | klork | oks |
| 23:49.32 | PumpkinPie | this is a quote I found: Decompression requires no memory. LZO is suitable for data de-/compression in real-time. |
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| 23:50.40 | wols_ | dendrite: aren't you in the wrong channel? |
| 23:51.02 | dendrite | wols_: Nope. kanotix is based solidly on sid, and is a good place to look before upgrading. |
| 23:51.12 | wols_ | !kanotix |
| 23:51.13 | dpkg | i heard kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian>, or go to #kanotix |
| 23:51.26 | wols_ | say again? |
| 23:51.31 | klork | okey, now rebooting |
| 23:51.51 | dendrite | wols_: Yes, yes, kanotix is not sid, or debian. But klork is running sid, and that information may help him. |
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| 23:52.42 | karsten | PumpkinPie: lempel-ziv compression works by creating a table orf known strings (a dictionary) and looking up matches in this for a given input. Larger dictionaries == more opportunities for compression, but == more memory and CPU time to search. |
| 23:52.57 | wols_ | Vasistha: whatever your real problem is, no ethernet card can have IRQ 0. at least on no known mobo with sane PCI IRQ routing |
| 23:52.58 | karsten | PumpkinPie: My understanding is that gzip's numeric values affect largely dictionary size. |
| 23:52.59 | dendrite | wols_: In any case, the kanotix site cites this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386500 |
| 23:53.23 | karsten | PumpkinPie: Decompression works much more quickly as the dictionary entries are accessed rather than searched (probably a hash). |
| 23:53.34 | pickcoder | Vasistha: still having boot problems? |
| 23:53.59 | klork | voila my X is up :) |
| 23:54.08 | karsten | PumpkinPie: I've just generated ten files, a source, plus nine zips, based on the bash manpage. Note too that compression varies *highly* with data. Text is about 50% redundant. Tabular data frequently 90%+. Random data: 0%. |
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| 23:54.27 | klork | thankee guys for helping out :) |
| 23:54.36 | karsten | PumpkinPie: Running following generates the compresseed files of "zipme". which was created as: man -Tascii bash > zipme |
| 23:54.41 | karsten | PumpkinPie: for i in $( seq 9 ); do echo $i; time gzip -${i} < zipme > zipme${i}.gz; done |
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| 23:55.18 | wols_ | Vasistha: what mobo/chipset do you use? |
| 23:55.20 | karsten | PumpkinPie: 0.071s for level 1 compression, 0.36s for level 9, clock time |
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| 23:55.55 | karsten | PumpkinPie: decompression is pretty uniformly about 0.2 s, independent of compression level. |
| 23:57.18 | klork | dendrite, one more query should i downgrade udev or its fine? |
| 23:57.31 | karsten | PumpkinPie: Compression levels vary from 25.8% (-9) to 32.2% (-1), best to worst. |
| 23:57.53 | dendrite | klork: To decide, check out http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386500 |
| 23:58.00 | karsten | PumpkinPie: You can play with that using different algoriths, / methods / programs to see what sort of results you get. |
| 23:58.06 | dendrite | klork: Odds are you should be OK, unless you see other breakage, of course. |
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| 23:58.20 | klork | ya... okey :) thanks again :) |
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