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| 00:10.36 | sputnik | hey, what kernel is debian testing on right now? |
| 00:11.00 | zinx | !info kernel-image-2.6 testing |
| 00:11.08 | zinx | erh |
| 00:11.13 | zinx | guess it's linux- in testing |
| 00:11.15 | sputnik | heh |
| 00:11.20 | zinx | !info linux-image-2.6 testing |
| 00:11.21 | zinx | :D |
| 00:11.21 | epsilon | .16 iirc? |
| 00:11.28 | zinx | :( |
| 00:11.29 | sputnik | is it? that's perfect! |
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| 00:13.36 | epsilon | I see .15 and .16 in packagelist |
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| 00:15.47 | sprink_ | it says on the site it should be using 2.6.17 |
| 00:15.50 | sputnik | cool. 2.6.16 is supposed to work for my new laptop |
| 00:15.55 | ramserver | hi |
| 00:15.58 | sputnik | they broke it in .17 |
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| 00:16.02 | ramserver | I want a debian iso |
| 00:16.06 | ramserver | for 3.1r3 |
| 00:16.13 | ramserver | i found site but it has liek 1-9 |
| 00:16.17 | ramserver | can I install off of 1? |
| 00:16.19 | sprink_ | sputnik. is it going to use .17 when it becomes stable? |
| 00:16.26 | ramserver | it says binary iso |
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| 00:16.47 | sputnik | sprink_ is what going to use it? |
| 00:16.55 | sprink_ | etch |
| 00:16.56 | pickcoder | ramserver: get the net-install CD from debian.org |
| 00:17.01 | sputnik | hell if i know :) |
| 00:17.04 | zinx | sprink_: it'll probably use something newer... |
| 00:17.05 | ramserver | well problem is that |
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| 00:17.14 | ramserver | i have a wireless usb ethernet card 802.11 |
| 00:17.19 | sprink_ | zinx. something newer? .18 isn't even out |
| 00:17.22 | zinx | hell, by the time etch is released linux 10.0 will probably be out |
| 00:17.22 | ramserver | not sure if debian has driver but knoppix does |
| 00:17.23 | sprink_ | lol |
| 00:17.27 | ramserver | and knoppix based on deb right? |
| 00:17.46 | ramserver | will net install cd have all ethernet driverrs? |
| 00:17.49 | zinx | sprink_: debian's release history tells me etch won't be out for a large number of years :D |
| 00:17.50 | ramserver | ?? |
| 00:17.55 | sputnik | heh. my cell phone now runs 2.4.20 |
| 00:17.57 | sprink_ | zinx. you'te smoking dope.. etch has a shorter release time than any other releases |
| 00:18.07 | zinx | sprink_: so they say |
| 00:18.12 | zinx | sprink_: i won't believe it until it's released. |
| 00:18.36 | pickcoder | zinx: the stated release date for Etch is December |
| 00:18.47 | sprink_ | (of this year) |
| 00:18.54 | ramserver | will the ent instlal cd be ok? please help |
| 00:18.59 | pickcoder | sprink_: yeah, this year |
| 00:19.03 | pickcoder | :) |
| 00:19.15 | seeds | this year no doubt |
| 00:19.22 | sprink_ | well.. my laptop wont work any anything below 2.6.17, so I hope they fix that |
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| 00:19.40 | sprink_ | right now I think etch is using 2.6.15 :( |
| 00:19.56 | pickcoder | sprink_: etch beta3 is using 2.6.16 |
| 00:21.08 | pickcoder | ramserver: what usb adapter do you have |
| 00:21.17 | sprink_ | its really got some problems as of right now.. the 2.4 kernel detects my hardware better than the 2.6.16 kernel |
| 00:22.17 | sprink_ | which is all fixed in .17 because thats what I was running on a different distro |
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| 00:24.29 | k-man_ | in debian, where is the path for ruby header files stored so configure scripts can find it? |
| 00:25.41 | ramserver | hakwing hwu54g |
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| 00:32.29 | ramserver | ? |
| 00:32.30 | ramserver | yeah |
| 00:32.33 | ramserver | its a tuff one |
| 00:32.39 | ramserver | i dont know how knoppix does it |
| 00:32.43 | ramserver | son of a ---ch |
| 00:32.51 | ramserver | 2.6.17 |
| 00:32.58 | ramserver | can ii get that kernel in 3.1r3 |
| 00:33.00 | ramserver | ? |
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| 00:35.45 | epsilon | compile it from vanilla source |
| 00:36.06 | dondelelcaro | k-man_: which header files? dpkg -L ruby1.9-dev; (or whatever version of ruby you've got installed if you want to know) |
| 00:36.16 | pickcoder | ramserver: you have to use the windows driver with ndiswrapper |
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| 00:36.39 | k-man_ | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 00:36.58 | sky123 | hello..ive been trying to get openldap with tls working...but ran in to a roadblock...i copied over the public cert.pem into the client side....but i receive some errors. |
| 00:36.59 | pickcoder | ramserver: so I doubt that any Linux installer will work with it |
| 00:37.06 | sky123 | the errors are ldap_starttls_s: Connect error |
| 00:37.07 | sky123 | Sep 8 19:34:48 vm1 sshd(pam_unix)[3050]: check pass; user unknown |
| 00:37.07 | sky123 | Sep 8 19:34:48 vm1 sshd[3050]: pam_ldap: ldap_simple_bind Can't contact LDAP se |
| 00:37.12 | sky123 | can someone help with this? |
| 00:37.19 | sky123 | sorry for paste... |
| 00:37.55 | pickcoder | ramserver: that's not to say that you can't manually load that driver during the setup process |
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| 00:38.11 | k-man_ | dondelelcaro, but how does linux/debian store that path somewhere so configure scripts can find it? |
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| 00:39.04 | PumpkinPie | you're asking the wrong channel |
| 00:39.11 | pickcoder | ramserver: that device is based on ZyDAS ZD1211 |
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| 00:40.46 | wols_ | k-man_: it doesn't. it's a "well known location" basically. something like /usr/include/ruby perhaps |
| 00:41.13 | k-man_ | wols_, well, im trying to compile amarok and it refuses to find the ruby include path |
| 00:41.18 | k-man_ | and im not sure how to fix it |
| 00:41.24 | k-man_ | any suggestions? |
| 00:41.47 | wols_ | ./configure --help |
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| 00:42.00 | wols_ | but you shouldn't compile amarok the way you probably do |
| 00:42.08 | wols_ | !tell k-man about simple sid backport |
| 00:42.44 | k-man_ | afaik, sid doesn't have amarok 1.4.3 in it? |
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| 00:43.40 | k-man_ | its only at 1.4.1 |
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| 00:44.19 | wols_ | you can still take its debian/ directory and try to build evreything with that. the goal should always be a .deb for things you install |
| 00:44.54 | k-man_ | wols_, hmm... ok |
| 00:44.56 | k-man_ | ill try that |
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| 00:51.52 | waiting | doodel dee |
| 00:52.20 | dan2 | !seen bob2 |
| 00:52.21 | dpkg | bob2 <n=bob4@ble59-5-82-233-207-9.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 17d 24m 26s ago, saying: 'guerin fake ass yoursel'. |
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| 00:52.43 | waiting | rotfl |
| 00:53.05 | waiting | having a "fake ass" is terrible |
| 00:53.25 | waiting | but _being_ a "fake ass" is anatomically ... exciting |
| 00:54.06 | dendrite | o_O |
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| 01:03.18 | Roey | muaaaaahahaha |
| 01:03.20 | Roey | Jefferson: You're a Bundy and if you put a D where the N is, you're a buddy. |
| 01:03.20 | Roey | Al: And if you put an N where the D is, I'm a bunny. What's your point? |
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| 01:06.01 | MASTER-PIGEON | Kwaizang ner Hotaka zaja dokan ozijam? |
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| 01:10.05 | mmiikkee12 | what's the file with the list of modules to autoload on boot? |
| 01:10.49 | dendrite | mmiikkee12: /etc/modules |
| 01:11.31 | mmiikkee12 | dendrite: is there another one? i'm trying to get rid of this obnoxious pcspkr module that keeps loading on boot. |
| 01:11.35 | mmiikkee12 | it's not in that file |
| 01:12.15 | jetscreamer | pcspkr isn't obnoxious |
| 01:12.19 | jetscreamer | how dare you |
| 01:12.26 | jetscreamer | !blacklist |
| 01:12.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 01:12.37 | jetscreamer | i always compile it in |
| 01:13.00 | jetscreamer | you could just mute it in the mixer |
| 01:13.02 | mmiikkee12 | jetscreamer: it is here, it's always making stupid beeping sounds |
| 01:13.09 | jetscreamer | ^^\ |
| 01:13.26 | jetscreamer | those stupid sounds can be very informative error messages sometimes |
| 01:13.28 | mmiikkee12 | i *know* when i hit backspace an extra time, judging by the fact nothing else gets backspaced |
| 01:13.37 | jetscreamer | ah yeah those are stupid |
| 01:13.42 | mmiikkee12 | and generally you get a useful error :D |
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| 01:14.19 | jetscreamer | i'm mostly thinking of boot errors though |
| 01:14.22 | jetscreamer | but |
| 01:14.27 | jetscreamer | turn it off in the mixer |
| 01:14.35 | jetscreamer | the sound mixer |
| 01:14.44 | jetscreamer | gmix, kmix, whatevermix... |
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| 01:14.57 | mmiikkee12 | jetscreamer: all the way down and muted. yet it still beeps. |
| 01:15.15 | mmiikkee12 | considering i've never seen that do anything useful anyway, i'd like to just remove it |
| 01:15.22 | karsten | What's the difference between xclip and xsel? |
| 01:15.38 | jetscreamer | i've gotten pissed at modules i couldn't jack with... i mv'd em and symlinked em.. you probably just want to blacklist it though |
| 01:15.53 | jetscreamer | genrtc vs rtc btw fyi |
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| 01:16.13 | jetscreamer | i moved gen and make a symlink named genrtc pointed at rtc |
| 01:16.14 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 01:16.25 | jetscreamer | but that's not what you want |
| 01:16.40 | jetscreamer | blacklistr |
| 01:16.45 | jetscreamer | -r |
| 01:17.19 | mmiikkee12 | blacklisted, let's see if it works |
| 01:17.25 | mmiikkee12 | ...next time i feel like rebooting |
| 01:17.29 | mmiikkee12 | :) |
| 01:18.19 | mmiikkee12 | uh. wtf just happened... a ton of files i was working on in kate just disappeared. |
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| 01:22.36 | simonrvn | i didn't do anything. i deny all ;p |
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| 01:24.20 | mmiikkee12 | simonrvn: hehe |
| 01:24.32 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 01:24.34 | mmiikkee12 | my fault, note to self, don't remove a dir you're working on |
| 01:24.50 | yanis | how can I change what version of gcc my debian uses? |
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| 01:25.06 | mynullvoi | hi all |
| 01:25.26 | mynullvoi | anyone know what happen to #adamantix? are there still operating or end? |
| 01:25.40 | mmiikkee12 | yanis: install another version, change the /usr/bin/gcc symlink to point to it |
| 01:25.58 | mmiikkee12 | (there may be a more debianized way, that's the only thing i can think of though |
| 01:26.19 | yanis | there is a dpkg-alternative |
| 01:26.21 | yanis | somithng |
| 01:27.38 | mynullvoi | apt-cache show <package> will tell the conflict package so that maybe the alternative |
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| 01:28.27 | mmiikkee12 | mynullvoi: it's not a conflict, afaik another gcc will install as /usr/bin/gcc-(version) |
| 01:28.37 | mynullvoi | ok |
| 01:28.49 | mmiikkee12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.01 | mynullvoi | oic |
| 01:29.10 | Orion78 | hello everyone, after todays upgrade my ipw2200 and soundcard stoped working (sid), does any one heard about anything suspicious? |
| 01:29.16 | mmiikkee12 | for all linux cares you could point it to /bin/ls (but then you wouldn't have much of a c compiler ;) |
| 01:29.20 | yanis | I was talking about alternative-update |
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| 01:29.54 | mmiikkee12 | yanis: that's the debianized way i was talking about :) |
| 01:30.07 | mynullvoi | Orion78: that's odd |
| 01:30.12 | yanis | mmiikkee12: but it doesnt work |
| 01:30.15 | Orion78 | mynullvoi: ipw2200 fails to load firmware |
| 01:30.22 | yanis | yanis@book:~/qemu-0.8.2$ sudo update-alternatives --config gcc |
| 01:30.22 | yanis | No alternatives for gcc. |
| 01:30.23 | mmiikkee12 | yanis: just change the symlink yourself :) |
| 01:30.31 | mmiikkee12 | that's what i did |
| 01:30.35 | mynullvoi | Orion78: why do you upgrade |
| 01:30.42 | mmiikkee12 | just remember to change it back if you remove that gcc ;) |
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| 01:32.04 | simonrvn | gcc and friends ARE NOT managed by alternatives |
| 01:33.26 | yanis | mmiikkee12: how do I change the symlink? |
| 01:34.39 | nvz | hmm I would assume they arent managed by alternatives because the one used to compile everything is already the default |
| 01:34.42 | simonrvn | with ln; man ln |
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| 01:35.01 | flea | ln -s /sbin/gcc gcc-version |
| 01:35.09 | simonrvn | yes. it's set up with gcc-defaults |
| 01:35.22 | simonrvn | other reasons too. like avoiding breakage |
| 01:35.57 | nvz | yeah thats what I mean.. the one used in the system being changed could cause you to compile incompatible code |
| 01:36.07 | nvz | hence why its not in alternatives |
| 01:36.08 | ootput | yanis: why do you want a different version? |
| 01:36.38 | simonrvn | nvz: *nods* |
| 01:36.54 | yanis | ootput: yes |
| 01:37.01 | yanis | I want 3.* instead of 4 |
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| 01:37.29 | ph00_phyter | I'm stuck behind an ISP NAT with no access to the router, but I want to be able to listen for inbound connection attempts, can I connect (oubound from me) to some dyndns kind of service and have their server listening for me? (I'm browsing their site but knowing in advance if it's yes or no would be nice) |
| 01:37.37 | nvz | well I am happy I think I got my financial situation all figured out.. though I am still broke right now :P |
| 01:37.38 | flea | rm gcc; ln /sbin/gcc-3.x |
| 01:38.02 | nvz | I'm just gonna sell my ass on the street .. heh j/k |
| 01:39.00 | nvz | ph00_phyter: not with a service like that but if you could get access to a dedicated server or other pc outside you might be able to login with ssh and port forward |
| 01:39.12 | nvz | ph00_phyter: or you could have someone scan you and see whats not blocked |
| 01:39.58 | simonrvn | nvz: glad you're kidding |
| 01:40.16 | nvz | ph00_phyter: usually ISPs especially tthose that are always on will just block things like netbios and samba/microsoft file sharing ports |
| 01:40.18 | ph00_phyter | no way to *buy* a service like that? I don't know anyone who could set up a server for me |
| 01:40.35 | nvz | ph00_phyter: I'd see first if you have any ports open you could use |
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| 01:41.05 | nvz | ph00_phyter: you should try not to run servers though if your isp doesnt allow it.. they would probably let you if you were willing to pay for it |
| 01:41.26 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah I couldnt do it I am not a sleaze |
| 01:41.30 | simonrvn | or find a local one that doesn't have BS policies like that |
| 01:41.40 | simonrvn | local isp i mean |
| 01:41.52 | nvz | simonrvn: I am just gonna do some construction on the side, for some extra cash |
| 01:42.02 | ph00_phyter | the problem is how much they want. I would pay something like 100 or even 300 dollars a year, but we're talking about 4 euros a DAY here |
| 01:42.20 | simonrvn | nvz: that's cool. good honest work |
| 01:42.25 | ph00_phyter | and I don't really want to run servers, only be able to listen for incomings on p2p nets |
| 01:42.29 | simonrvn | nvz: glad you've sorted stuff out |
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| 01:43.39 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah I can handle part time, but I cant take full time right now until I see a doctor my shoulder is all fucked up from that car accident last winter. makes my neck and back hurt |
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| 01:44.44 | YaleR | where do I disable the motd re-write on reboot again? |
| 01:44.59 | nvz | YaleR: I think thats in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 01:45.11 | nvz | YaleR: but a grep -R motd /etc/init.d/ would probably find it |
| 01:45.12 | simonrvn | :(. i hope you get better soon, and well |
| 01:45.24 | YaleR | thanks nvz |
| 01:45.38 | nvz | yeah I need to get some xrays and schedule regular visits with a chiropractor |
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| 01:46.20 | simonrvn | /etc/default/rcS IIRC |
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| 01:46.53 | nvz | would be nice to find one of them places where the little asian women give you a massage with their feet too :P |
| 01:46.57 | jetscreamer | ah -R |
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| 01:47.10 | simonrvn | heh |
| 01:47.15 | shadow98 | can anyone help me with compiling realvnc |
| 01:47.29 | shadow98 | i have been able to do ./configure and make but not do a make install |
| 01:47.35 | nvz | shadow98: hmm? why are you compiling realvnc? |
| 01:47.49 | shadow98 | to try the hack that is out for 4.11 and below |
| 01:47.50 | jetscreamer | better, why he doesn't have to |
| 01:47.51 | dvs | !info realvnc sarge |
| 01:47.51 | nvz | and whats the problem with installing? |
| 01:48.12 | nvz | shadow98: ah. an exploit or a performance hack? |
| 01:48.13 | shadow98 | well i am able to do a make |
| 01:48.20 | shadow98 | exploit |
| 01:48.26 | shadow98 | lets you by pass the password |
| 01:48.29 | simonrvn | file a bug then |
| 01:48.36 | shadow98 | you edit the source code |
| 01:48.37 | simonrvn | and set it severe |
| 01:48.53 | shadow98 | then compile it |
| 01:48.55 | nvz | heh |
| 01:49.03 | nvz | the passwords are plain text anyhow. |
| 01:49.09 | shadow98 | it it allows you to run vncviewer and it doesn't prompt for a password |
| 01:49.13 | simonrvn | read all that consecutively and makes no sense |
| 01:49.35 | nvz | if you were trying to take over someones pc it would be easier to sniff it so you didnt have to slip them a modified binary |
| 01:49.50 | nvz | not that you can really be stealthy with vnc cause they are gonna notice |
| 01:49.50 | shadow98 | im not having to do anything |
| 01:49.56 | shadow98 | its the client that im editing |
| 01:50.00 | shadow98 | my client that i am using |
| 01:50.03 | flea | :D |
| 01:50.07 | shadow98 | against there server |
| 01:50.11 | nvz | ah so its a client side thing |
| 01:50.12 | shadow98 | but its my server |
| 01:50.16 | shadow98 | im just testing it |
| 01:50.20 | shadow98 | yes |
| 01:50.40 | shadow98 | ill send the video hold on |
| 01:51.03 | shadow98 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7e0ST30FnE&mode=related&search= |
| 01:51.34 | shadow98 | but back to my problem which the video doesn't go into detail is compiling |
| 01:51.57 | shadow98 | i download the unix source and tried compiling it ./configure and make as i stated before |
| 01:52.02 | simonrvn | running the 'make install' with sudo? =) |
| 01:52.11 | shadow98 | now should i have the ability to to to make install |
| 01:52.14 | shadow98 | im root |
| 01:52.29 | shadow98 | sudo command not found |
| 01:52.39 | jetscreamer | you have to install sudo |
| 01:52.44 | simonrvn | should still work anyway. you need to tell us the errors |
| 01:52.44 | jetscreamer | but that's beside the point |
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| 01:52.52 | shadow98 | there are no errors |
| 01:53.04 | nvz | what makes you think it didnt install :P |
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| 01:53.07 | jetscreamer | then what's the problem |
| 01:53.08 | shadow98 | make *** No rule to make target install stop |
| 01:53.15 | shadow98 | that is when i do a make install |
| 01:53.16 | jetscreamer | well |
| 01:53.18 | nvz | yeah you cant just make up targets |
| 01:53.22 | shadow98 | make works fine |
| 01:53.22 | jetscreamer | that's obvious |
| 01:53.27 | jetscreamer | cp manually |
| 01:53.40 | nvz | if the makefile doesnt have an install target then you cant do it |
| 01:53.41 | jetscreamer | at least so it seems |
| 01:53.47 | nvz | run it from current location |
| 01:53.47 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 01:54.23 | nvz | all make install usually does is copy the compiled files to their locations. |
| 01:54.36 | flea | ./configure no erros? |
| 01:54.43 | simonrvn | ice_1963: your hostname says 'hsd' in it, what city is that, that has 'hsd' in it? |
| 01:54.45 | shadow98 | .configure had no errors |
| 01:54.48 | nvz | this makes it easier on you to test and remove it then having it moved all over the place with no make uninstall target |
| 01:54.53 | flea | hmmm, and make? |
| 01:55.25 | simonrvn | usually Makefiles have an install target, but no uninstall target |
| 01:55.36 | flea | edit Makefile and find install target |
| 01:55.44 | simonrvn | hey 5 min to "Tony time" |
| 01:56.08 | ice_1963 | simonrvn: well i did not set thst yet but i will :) |
| 01:56.17 | ice_1963 | that |
| 01:56.42 | simonrvn | i know you didn't, just wondering what city in michigan that was |
| 01:57.04 | simonrvn | it's cool, i'll go googleearth it ;p |
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| 01:58.18 | nopalin | ho |
| 01:58.41 | simonrvn | zinx! |
| 01:58.58 | simonrvn | :) |
| 01:59.04 | simonrvn | Tony time |
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| 02:18.12 | wooya510 | When I add user, occure "adduser: `/usr/bin/passwd test' returned error code 10. Aborting." |
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| 02:26.34 | poonj | hey guys.... |
| 02:26.37 | nvz | do they make (cheap) dual sound boards? like that already have two seperate outputs I can play different things on? |
| 02:27.34 | w3rdn4 | I am looking for people who grew up in the 60's and 70's and did lots of LSD and now believe they are AVATARS |
| 02:27.42 | poonj | I have two ethernet cards in my box right now. What is the best way to desigate one network card as eth0 and the other as eth1. Do I do it through the order in which the modules are loaded at startup? Or do I edit /etc/modules.conf and add in aliases? |
| 02:28.11 | nvz | w3rdn4: heh |
| 02:28.14 | wols_ | poonj: I use order of modules loaded |
| 02:28.16 | karsten | poonj: Generally, by module loading order AFAIK |
| 02:28.21 | poonj | okay |
| 02:28.24 | poonj | just want to make sure |
| 02:28.39 | wols_ | after that, if both use the same driver, the PCI slot decides: lower slot is first (nearer the agp card) |
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| 02:33.58 | PizzaHut | hello all |
| 02:34.21 | PizzaHut | i forget, how do you make debian (apt-get or aptitude) install a virtual package? |
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| 02:34.41 | poonj | thanks guys |
| 02:34.55 | Wyzard | PizzaHut: A virtual package is a package that doesn't actually exist -- you install one of the real packages that "provides" the virtual package name |
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| 02:35.57 | PizzaHut | hmm |
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| 02:36.33 | PizzaHut | how do i find out what package that is |
| 02:36.46 | karsten | !tell PizzaHut about search |
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| 02:37.20 | karsten | PizzaHut: You install the virtual package. It then pulls in the packages you actually need through dependencies. |
| 02:37.32 | Wyzard | PizzaHut: If you look at the virtual package's info in aptitude, it shows a list of packages that provide it |
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| 02:37.57 | karsten | PizzaHut: Afterwards, you can generally remove the virtual package (nothing actually relies on it). I think some VPs now actually remove themselves postinst, not certain of that. |
| 02:39.15 | PizzaHut | ah weird no list in aptitude |
| 02:39.24 | karsten | PizzaHut: Which VP? |
| 02:39.56 | asg | karsten: Cheney provides the VP for satan |
| 02:39.58 | karsten | PizzaHut: Mind: the VP itself *does* exist, just that it doesn't have much in it other than the packaging control/config files. |
| 02:40.05 | Wyzard | karsten: I think you're confusing virtual packages with metapackages |
| 02:40.11 | PizzaHut | ncurses-dev, zlib |
| 02:40.12 | karsten | asg: Yes, but it forgot to uninstall itself. |
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| 02:40.29 | asg | karsten: now *that* would be a bug report worth filing |
| 02:40.43 | Wyzard | karsten: Virtual packages are things like "www-browser" that do not actually exist, but are provided by other packages |
| 02:40.54 | karsten | Wyzard: Ah. |
| 02:41.13 | Wyzard | karsten: Metapackages are the empty, dependency-only packages that you're thinking of |
| 02:41.18 | karsten | Wyzard: Gotchya. |
| 02:41.19 | asg | PizzaHut: just use deborphan and/or debfoster to remove any cruft. You probably meant the 'build-essential' package |
| 02:41.40 | karsten | PizzaHut: So: you install something that needs a virtual package, it pulls in something that provides the virtual package, automagickally. |
| 02:41.47 | asg | PizzaHut: or the kernel-package one |
| 02:42.05 | PizzaHut | asg, no ive very sure i mean to <install> ncurses-dev and the devel zlib package |
| 02:42.12 | PizzaHut | er ive/ime |
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| 02:42.47 | PizzaHut | so how to you install the magic packages with out knowing what depends on them |
| 02:43.24 | asg | PizzaHut: oh, thought you meant that the mystery package installed those. Nevermind. |
| 02:43.31 | Wyzard | PizzaHut: Like I said, look up the virtual package in aptitude and its info page gives you a list of packages that satisfy it |
| 02:43.44 | PizzaHut | asg nope, thats ok |
| 02:44.31 | PizzaHut | Wyzard want a screen shot, all the VP's have empty descriptions (this is likely why i was confused as last time i needed to do this the desc was there) |
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| 02:46.44 | PizzaHut | ill use the packages.debian.org, but that is very odd that the desc is empty on all the VP's |
| 02:47.15 | Wyzard | PizzaHut: Highlight the VP and press enter |
| 02:47.27 | karsten | PizzaHut: Do you deliver? |
| 02:47.28 | Wyzard | PizzaHut: Then look under "version" |
| 02:47.38 | Wyzard | PizzaHut: sorry, "versions" |
| 02:47.39 | Marudubshinki | I am deeply frustrated: how do I temporarily convince dpkg to believe that it should download i386 packages and not the usual amd64 packages? (I can't seem to get the foreign option for debootstrap to work correctly, so this is my current method, to have dpkg install the right architecture packages when deboostrap requests it to download the minimal system) |
| 02:48.04 | karsten | Marudubshinki: Bootstrapping a system? |
| 02:48.39 | PizzaHut | libncurses5-dev 5.4-4, which is installed =\ |
| 02:48.59 | Marudubshinki | karsten: long story short, I want to play introversion's Darwinia, but their Linux binary fails miserably on amd64, so I'm trying to set up a minimal debian system I can chroot into to play it |
| 02:49.13 | Marudubshinki | I don't feel like abandoning my current amd64 setup solely for a game :) |
| 02:49.54 | Marudubshinki | I've been grepping all over the place trying to figure out where dpkg keeps its "amd64" value which --print-architecture yeilds, but... nada |
| 02:50.09 | karsten | Marudubshinki: OK. No idea, sorry. |
| 02:52.06 | PizzaHut | ok removing and reinstalling the package solved something, new error tho heh |
| 02:53.44 | Duelist | Marudubshinki: you don't have source to recompile for amd64? |
| 02:53.58 | Marudubshinki | goddamn debootstrap. did you know that if you put options after the required information, the crazy program will treat that as a target directory or server? |
| 02:54.19 | Duelist | Marudubshinki: I'm used to that from doing so much work with {Free,Open}BSD |
| 02:54.21 | Marudubshinki | Duelist: heh, no. "I want to play introversion's Darwinia," <--- tis a commercial game |
| 02:54.40 | Marudubshinki | they sell the source for Uplink, but not darwinia |
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| 02:54.41 | Duelist | 'ls directory_name -l' will do 'ls directory_name' and then tell you it can't find '-l' |
| 02:54.53 | Marudubshinki | Duelist: is crazy, no? |
| 02:54.53 | Duelist | ah. beg them for an amd64 binary then |
| 02:55.16 | Marudubshinki | Duelist: actually, looking through the shell extractor, I think it is supposed to work on amd64 |
| 02:55.20 | Duelist | and "commercial" does not imply "binary only" |
| 02:55.20 | karsten | Marudubshinki: How performance-sensitive is tha app? |
| 02:55.27 | Marudubshinki | but it doesn't... |
| 02:55.56 | Marudubshinki | Duelist: c'mon. how many commercial games offer source? the exceptions are notable solely for that |
| 02:56.08 | Marudubshinki | karsten: let me put it this way: you need 3d accel |
| 02:56.28 | karsten | Marudubshinki: OK, nevermind. Was going to suggest a VM solution. |
| 02:56.44 | karsten | Marudubshinki: ... though if you could just get it installed then transfer to a chroot, that's another option. |
| 02:56.50 | Marudubshinki | Duelist: actually, going ls debian-i386/ -l works perfectly fine on my system. gives the normal listing of files |
| 02:57.12 | Duelist | Marudubshinki: GNU ls groks it fine. BSD ls does not |
| 02:57.15 | Marudubshinki | karsten: how do you mean? |
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| 02:57.32 | Marudubshinki | Duelist: does debian even offer the BSD ls? |
| 02:57.48 | karsten | Marudubshinki: vmware is freely downloadable, qemu is apt-gettable. |
| 02:57.59 | asg | Marudubshinki: Debian/kfreebsd does |
| 02:58.03 | Marudubshinki | asg: gmm. bsdmainutils might have it. |
| 02:58.04 | karsten | Marudubshinki: Do an install under either, using x86 emulo, pick up the pieces and move them outside. |
| 02:58.40 | Wyzard | asg: I thought the point of Debian/kfreebsd is that it uses a BSD kernel but the rest of the software is the same |
| 02:58.44 | karsten | Duelist: ls /home -l works here as well. |
| 02:58.55 | supaplex | !kbsd |
| 02:58.58 | asg | Wyzard: ah, true. My mistake. |
| 02:59.11 | Duelist | karsten: again, it works fine on GNU. I was mentioning it didn't work on BSD-derived setups |
| 02:59.25 | karsten | Duelist: And this is a problem how ;-) |
| 02:59.30 | Marudubshinki | hmm. do you think that simply using deboostrap to install an amd64 minimal system and then deleting /lib64 might work? |
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| 02:59.39 | Duelist | karsten: I was not saying it was. I was just mentioning that as a point of reference |
| 02:59.50 | karsten | Duelist: /msg dpkg joke |
| 03:00.49 | karsten | Marudubshinki: I'm not sure. I think the architecture might be picked up straight from the kernel and/or cpu. But I'm way out of my depth. |
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| 03:01.37 | Marudubshinki | karsten: well, amd64 is supposed to be backwards compatible with i386, so the problem is the libraries darwinia is trying to link in, not with the kernel |
| 03:01.52 | karsten | Marudubshinki: Wouldn't surprise me. |
| 03:02.00 | Marudubshinki | and I ran darwinia in a Knoppix i386 livecd with no problem, so I'm fairly sure it's the architecture that's the problem |
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| 03:02.13 | Marudubshinki | *no problem except the speed of a pregnant sow in mud |
| 03:02.15 | karsten | Marudubshinki: proprietary vendors very frequently get this sort of thing wrong. |
| 03:02.35 | Marudubshinki | karsten: I had hoped introversion, being an indie developer friendly to linux would get it right. :( |
| 03:02.36 | Duelist | right, and this is a great reason to avoid non-free software |
| 03:02.48 | Duelist | Marudubshinki: friendly to Linux, or friendly to GNU? |
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| 03:03.15 | Marudubshinki | Duelist: friendly to Linux, where friendly equals even considering porting their games to it and releasing them |
| 03:03.22 | Marudubshinki | *to be purchaseable |
| 03:03.29 | Marudubshinki | bah. you know what I mean |
| 03:03.35 | karsten | Marudubshinki: A lot of it isn't intentional. They've got limited resources and financial pressures to deal with. |
| 03:03.58 | Joe_fish | anyone have an read me on why debian 2.4 kernel works fine but when i go to 2.6 eth0 goes missing ? |
| 03:04.03 | Marudubshinki | karsten: absolutely. That's actually why I bought darwinia, because any company that |
| 03:04.17 | Marudubshinki | s willing to port to Linux when they are that small and stressed is a company to support |
| 03:04.17 | Duelist | I wouldn't say that qualifies as truly "friendly". All they see from GNU/Linux users are dollar signs |
| 03:04.31 | Marudubshinki | Duelist: have to start somewhere. chicken and egg problem |
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| 03:05.13 | Duelist | right. in general, my view is that companies that aren't releasing free software are part of the problem. |
| 03:05.34 | Duelist | nVidia- "supports Linux" with binary blob drivers. part of the problem. |
| 03:05.37 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: was the application compiled with the 64-bit libs? |
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| 03:05.46 | Duelist | same for ATI |
| 03:05.52 | Marudubshinki | pickcoder: I honestly really have no idea |
| 03:06.09 | Marudubshinki | the shell extractor checks for amd64, but I don't know what that means |
| 03:06.15 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: then what's the point of running on big-endian support? |
| 03:06.25 | Marudubshinki | pickcoder: pardon? |
| 03:06.41 | Duelist | I may just try booting Hurd tonight. I can't wait to get rid of Linux and see what GNU is really supposed to be like |
| 03:06.48 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: A 64-bit kernel is only 32-bit friendly if you have a 32-bit user layer |
| 03:07.05 | Marudubshinki | pickcoder: and debian amd64 etch doesn't have such a layer? |
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| 03:07.31 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: I didn't say that |
| 03:07.38 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: what's the real issue? |
| 03:09.06 | Marudubshinki | pickcoder: trying to play a game, darwinia. fails with error message complainig "./lib/darwinia.bin.x86: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" libGL is very much installed, and it's not a path issue. fired up a livecd with i386 knoppix. played fine. I conclude the problem is it is using 64-bit libraries and being trying to set up a i386 chroot with |
| 03:09.06 | Marudubshinki | deboostrap. debootstrap refuses to set up anything but an amd64 chroot installation. |
| 03:09.29 | Marudubshinki | I came here trying to figure out how to force debootstrap / dpkg to download i386 .debs |
| 03:10.02 | Marudubshinki | *begin, not being |
| 03:10.09 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: does the game support amd64 Linux kernels? |
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| 03:10.58 | Marudubshinki | pickcoder: I had thought it did, but I don't think it's a kernel issue necessarily |
| 03:11.17 | Marudubshinki | the message talks about libraries, not low level system calls as I understand it |
| 03:11.54 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: hold on.. lemme get into my 64-bit box |
| 03:13.02 | supaplex | why does sane-find-scanner find my device, but scanimage -L report no scanners were identified? The mailing lists posts describe this problem for my scanner a few times, but no fix/resolution/solve was posted. |
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| 03:14.47 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: you should have 32-bit libs on Etch |
| 03:15.24 | Marudubshinki | pickcoder: that's what is driving me nuts. it should work, and yet it doesn't |
| 03:15.27 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: so I dunno |
| 03:15.30 | wooya510 | When I add user, occure "adduser: `/usr/bin/passwd test' returned error code 10. Aborting." |
| 03:16.19 | Marudubshinki | pickcoder: I think when I get the time, I'm just gonna re-install etch i386. this is just too annoying |
| 03:16.21 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: did you check file permissions for /usr/lib/libGL* |
| 03:16.52 | Kr4t05 | Ok, so I switched from Ubuntu Dapper to Debian Etch. How would I go about installing the Debian equivalent of "universe" repositories? |
| 03:17.37 | Marudubshinki | pickcoder: what sort of file permissions would I be looking at that would be bad? |
| 03:17.51 | asg | Kr4t05: add ' non-free contrib' after 'main' in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 03:18.02 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: no user or group read permissions |
| 03:18.05 | Kr4t05 | asg, thanks. |
| 03:18.10 | Marudubshinki | ex, I get "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 603584 2006-05-30 02:56 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2" which looks about right to me |
| 03:18.33 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: what is libGL.so.1 |
| 03:18.41 | Marudubshinki | a symlink I believe |
| 03:18.49 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: executable? |
| 03:18.56 | Marudubshinki | "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2006-08-17 11:35 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2" |
| 03:19.18 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: try running strace on the game and see why it's truely failing |
| 03:19.25 | Marudubshinki | strace? alright |
| 03:20.16 | Marudubshinki | wow, that's some scary output. |
| 03:20.53 | karsten | Marudubshinki: Save to file. 2>&1. And look at the last 100 or so lines for error output. |
| 03:21.20 | karsten | Marudubshinki: strace <command> 2>&1 | tee /tmp/strace.log |
| 03:21.33 | pickcoder | strace -o /tmp/strace.cap <exec> works too |
| 03:21.44 | karsten | pickcoder: Cool. |
| 03:22.02 | pickcoder | then you can tail | /tmp/strace.cap |
| 03:22.18 | asg | pickcoder: probably a better idea to put it in ~/strace.cap |
| 03:22.24 | pickcoder | gah.. remove the pipe |
| 03:22.30 | Marudubshinki | pickcoder: I noticed. :) |
| 03:22.33 | pickcoder | asg: true that |
| 03:22.38 | pickcoder | bbias |
| 03:22.59 | Marudubshinki | well, the error shows up as "clone(./lib/darwinia.bin.x86: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 03:26.09 | Marudubshinki | there's also another interesting line to the effect that "read(255, "echo $here\nexport LD_LIBRARY_PAT"..., 899) = 96" |
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| 03:26.40 | karsten | Marudubshinki: That's from libgl1-mesa-swx11 BTW. |
| 03:27.02 | Marudubshinki | karsten: interesting trivia |
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| 03:27.06 | karsten | Marudubshinki: ... and *is* arch dependent. |
| 03:27.22 | karsten | ... I think. |
| 03:27.24 | pickcoder | bk |
| 03:27.35 | karsten | pickcoder: git |
| 03:27.43 | Marudubshinki | darcs |
| 03:27.53 | karsten | Marudubshinki: subversive! |
| 03:28.16 | jetscreamer | die! |
| 03:28.39 | Marudubshinki | karsten: commercial: CVS |
| 03:28.52 | Marudubshinki | (jetscreamer: is that really a program?) |
| 03:29.02 | karsten | Marudubshinki: VSS! |
| 03:29.34 | jetscreamer | no i was just subject to a wild urge |
| 03:29.38 | Marudubshinki | damn. you've got me. |
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| 03:33.44 | Marudubshinki | dammit Jim, I'm a user, not a developer! |
| 03:34.01 | karsten | Heh. |
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| 03:36.10 | cast | in etch is there going to be any official support for using bcrypt or crypt_blowfish instead of md5 for /etc/shadow? |
| 03:36.57 | simonrvn | look at libpam-unix2 |
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| 03:37.34 | peterS | I'm kinda wondering what the point of using something other than md5 for /etc/shadow is |
| 03:37.50 | peterS | by the time you've got access to /etc/shadow you're already root, the former owner of the system has already lost |
| 03:37.51 | karsten | peterS: Security. |
| 03:37.57 | Marudubshinki | peterS: paranoia over how long md5 will be useful? |
| 03:38.15 | cast | peterS: if that argument is true why hash /etc/shadow at all? |
| 03:38.16 | karsten | peterS: You don't *need* access to /etc/shadow to run a brute force. |
| 03:38.17 | peterS | Marudubshinki: yeah, see my next line |
| 03:38.17 | Marudubshinki | assuming the only way to get shadow is to already be root is a dangerous assumption, imo |
| 03:38.33 | karsten | peterS: ... and there are ways to get /etc/shadow other than by comprimising root persistently. |
| 03:38.38 | peterS | Marudubshinki: what do you mean? how else do you envision someone getting access to a file which is only readable by root? |
| 03:38.49 | simonrvn | it's readable by shadow |
| 03:38.50 | wooya510 | When I add user, occure "adduser: `/usr/bin/passwd test' returned error code 10. Aborting." |
| 03:38.55 | Marudubshinki | karsten: really? how do you do that? (trick a suid program?) |
| 03:39.00 | karsten | peterS: Backups. Rebooting the system on alternate media. |
| 03:39.24 | cast | MD5 is only going to get more broken. regardless of why/how/etc...replacing a broken cryptographic primitive with a non-broken one can only be a good thing if you ask me |
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| 03:40.08 | Marudubshinki | well, that's obviously true. so why hasn't debian done it? I mean, it's no openbsd to be sure, but it's not exactly trying to be insecure |
| 03:40.11 | peterS | cast: only if the cryptographic primitive is needed in the first place |
| 03:40.14 | karsten | cast: One of the principle problems with MD5 is that bruting it is now considered highly feasible. You can keep 32m+ keys in RAM and cycle through them. Now all you need is an attack vector that lets you try this without triggering a timeout. |
| 03:41.32 | Heston | as soon as you start using salts with your md5 hashes, this all becomes a lot harder |
| 03:41.33 | Kr4t05 | Bah... Why is it so easy to fall into dependancy hell with Debian? |
| 03:41.44 | usr13 | I'm new to Debian, (previous RH user), and see that I no longer have /etc/rc.e/rc.local |
| 03:41.48 | karsten | Kr4t05: Howso? |
| 03:41.53 | Marudubshinki | Kr4t05: sinning is so easy, is why |
| 03:41.56 | usr13 | What takes the place of rc.local? |
| 03:42.05 | peterS | cast: this is a bit like those arguments that NTLM is broken because it uses MD4 hashes. well, it's not exactly the same argument, but it makes approximately the same amount of sense |
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| 03:42.20 | usr13 | Actually, what I'm needing to do is load a driver for flash drive |
| 03:42.21 | karsten | usr13: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh or write your own script using /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 03:42.29 | Marudubshinki | usr13: out of curiousity, what does rc.local do under redhat? |
| 03:42.30 | Kr4t05 | karsten, I'm trying to install the nvidia driver packages and it isn't working as hoped. |
| 03:42.46 | usr13 | It is fro loading stuff last. |
| 03:42.52 | karsten | Kr4t05: Um, well, nvidia *isn't* supported by Debian within its package system. |
| 03:43.00 | karsten | Kr4t05: /msg dpkg nvidia. |
| 03:43.00 | Marudubshinki | loading stuff last..? |
| 03:43.01 | usr13 | Just runs arfte all others |
| 03:43.11 | Marudubshinki | oh, so it's for runlevels |
| 03:43.13 | Alien_Freak | I've installed KDE under Debian, and the fonts are looking a bit goofy, is there any package I should install that I'm missing? |
| 03:43.14 | usr13 | after not arfte, sorry. |
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| 03:43.22 | karsten | Kr4t05: You're trying to install third-party crud. It's getting better, I don't use it. |
| 03:43.26 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: you can try manually installing the libGL from testing/i386 |
| 03:43.27 | soot | ok so i got this box that i dont have a keyboard for ... whats the most straight forward way to install to this box ??? .... with BSD i could open a console on the serial port ... will debian do something similar? and can i do it with the CD rom version? or will i need some boot image for a floppy ? |
| 03:43.34 | Kr4t05 | karsten, I did that. It told me to do "nvidia-graphics-drivers" |
| 03:43.50 | karsten | soot: You can install via serial port, but you'll have to edit your bootloader to do that. |
| 03:43.57 | Kr4t05 | karsten, But, how am I supposed to play doom 3?! :'( |
| 03:44.05 | soot | karsten ... can you point m to a good reference for that ? |
| 03:44.07 | karsten | Kr4t05: Then do it. Ask channel, not me, I've got no clue. |
| 03:44.12 | karsten | soot: How are you booting? |
| 03:44.18 | Marudubshinki | pickcoder: I'll give that a shot. dunno how it would help, but I'm getting kind of desparate |
| 03:44.20 | soot | not booting |
| 03:44.33 | soot | its a recycled set top box that my buddy wants to put debian on |
| 03:44.44 | Marudubshinki | don't the installers run sshd? |
| 03:44.48 | soot | and i just remembered i think it doesnt have any ps2 ports .. and i dont have a usb keyboard :) |
| 03:44.53 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: just be prepared for chaos when apt tries to update your box :P |
| 03:44.59 | Marudubshinki | pickcoder: -_- |
| 03:45.06 | karsten | soot: Google "serial console howto". Basically: 'console=/dev/ttyS0' IIRC. |
| 03:45.07 | soot | and he is on his way over ... so i am reasearching this now :) |
| 03:45.13 | soot | okey |
| 03:45.15 | jetscreamer | quake4 runs so does doom3 |
| 03:45.20 | usr13 | I just need to load usb-storage |
| 03:45.26 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 03:45.32 | usr13 | Just need someplace to put mobprobe usb-storage |
| 03:45.35 | karsten | soot: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/rhbootdisk.html |
| 03:45.37 | jetscreamer | the great which nvidia debate |
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| 03:45.45 | Swynndla | Alien_Freak: sid? |
| 03:45.53 | jetscreamer | btw you need the sdl-alsa not the sdl-all |
| 03:45.58 | jetscreamer | libsdl blahblah |
| 03:46.03 | karsten | soot: PXE boot wouldn't be a bad way to fly if your kit supports it. |
| 03:46.52 | karsten | soot: 'console=ttyS0,9600n8' should be the option in question. |
| 03:47.09 | Kr4t05 | I get this when attempting to install nvidia-glx from Sid. "The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 03:47.09 | Kr4t05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.20 | Alien_Freak | sid? |
| 03:47.24 | peterS | yay, some wanker is portscanning me or something, apparently as a reaction to my opinion of md5 passwords in shadow |
| 03:47.44 | karsten | peterS: How do you infer that? |
| 03:47.46 | Alien_Freak | testing version of debian actually |
| 03:47.54 | Kr4t05 | Alien_Freak, I dunno, maybe I'm all turned around. |
| 03:48.02 | cast | peterS: in a world without other screw ups i'd agree. but sometimes things go downhill, sometimes a httpd runs as root and has an exploit. maybe that exploit allows anything in / to be served up. i'm not sure, but i think if OpenBSD does it it must be a good idea :> |
| 03:48.16 | peterS | karsten: he /msged me with some incoherent thing about how I don't care about shadow passwords and I should watch what I say |
| 03:48.26 | peterS | karsten: I'm guessing this guy is 14 years old or so |
| 03:48.49 | karsten | peterS: Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of man? |
| 03:48.53 | jetscreamer | why can't it 'just work'? |
| 03:48.55 | karsten | peterS: The /etc/shadow knows.... |
| 03:49.00 | peterS | heh |
| 03:49.01 | Marudubshinki | karsten: or boys |
| 03:49.04 | karsten | jetscreamer: Talk to nvidia. |
| 03:49.05 | chance2105 | How is etch coming along these days... |
| 03:49.10 | karsten | !etch |
| 03:49.10 | dpkg | i guess etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 03:49.15 | stew | happy friday |
| 03:49.19 | jetscreamer | etch-a-sketch! |
| 03:49.26 | jetscreamer | there is no friday |
| 03:49.38 | karsten | dpkg needs a mod_speling |
| 03:49.43 | Kr4t05 | karsten, Ubuntu can play nice with nvidia, why not Debian? |
| 03:49.51 | jetscreamer | no spoon either |
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| 03:50.00 | peterS | cast: "if openbsd does it it must be a good idea" - if that's the level of your analysis ... ok |
| 03:50.23 | karsten | Kr4t05: See above. I don't use it. I don't know. |
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| 03:51.24 | qwertz | Hi, just added my public key to the root .ssh/authorized_keys file of a server but the server still asks for password - so is there another option I've got to set to get automatic login? |
| 03:51.38 | Kr4t05 | jetscreamer, you talking to me? |
| 03:51.48 | jetscreamer | maybe... who wants to know |
| 03:52.02 | Kr4t05 | Because I'm lost, and could use a flashlight. |
| 03:52.26 | jetscreamer | http://kanotix.com/files/install-nvidia-debian.sh |
| 03:52.38 | jetscreamer | dont tell anybody i gave it to you though |
| 03:52.42 | Kr4t05 | jetscreamer, you are a life-saver. :) |
| 03:52.44 | jetscreamer | you never saw me |
| 03:52.48 | karsten | qwertz: run 'ssh-add' locally if you're using a password-protected key |
| 03:52.50 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 03:52.56 | jetscreamer | it's not the packages it used the .run |
| 03:53.00 | jetscreamer | uses |
| 03:53.05 | karsten | qwertz: If that doesn't work, a few other optioms |
| 03:53.09 | karsten | brb |
| 03:53.20 | nehoksan | When I was a little kid my mother told me not to stare into the sun. So once when I was six, I did. |
| 03:53.49 | chance2105 | Here goes dist-upgrade.. |
| 03:53.52 | cast | peterS: i did give an example, too :\ |
| 03:54.15 | Marudubshinki | nehoksan: did it take you to one of the most awesome mario 64 levels? |
| 03:54.18 | jetscreamer | nehoksan: are you blind now? any vision impairment as a result? |
| 03:54.24 | Marudubshinki | where you were all flying around and suchlike? |
| 03:54.52 | peterS | cast: well, if someone can read my /etc/shadow I figure the game is already lost. sure, there's lots of ways to get to that point, but I figure very few of them don't give the attacker root on my machine |
| 03:54.54 | qwertz | karsten, thanks for the info, but using keyless password atm |
| 03:55.40 | Kr4t05 | I suppose Debian people like hard work, rather than something that just works. |
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| 03:55.51 | jetscreamer | nah debian just works |
| 03:55.56 | jetscreamer | usually |
| 03:56.08 | kriel | ... this is going to be a really stupid question, but can some one give me a quick runover of how to install without using apt? |
| 03:56.27 | jetscreamer | install, or have it downloaded from a repo then instal |
| 03:56.39 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i blah.deb installs stuff |
| 03:56.40 | Kr4t05 | kriel, download the .deb and use dpkg -i <debname> |
| 03:57.05 | kriel | grargh. that's the command i was looking for. thanks. |
| 03:57.14 | jetscreamer | there's a few gui package managers |
| 03:57.28 | kriel | i hate being new to nix. ><; |
| 03:57.41 | jetscreamer | you'll get over it one year |
| 03:57.46 | Marudubshinki | kriel: that stabbing sensation in your mind does go away |
| 03:57.51 | pickcoder | <insert>Debian Li |
| 03:58.35 | pickcoder | kriel: the fun starts when you have to manage 3-4 different distros |
| 03:58.46 | Marudubshinki | pickcoder: well, gave that a shot. amusing new error message: "./lib/darwinia.bin.x86: error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 03:59.02 | Marudubshinki | (I installed the i386 version of libGL this time) |
| 03:59.21 | dendrite | pickcoder: Heh. So you end up trying to run apt tools on redhat, and rpm on debian... |
| 03:59.24 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: must be an issue with the binary loading the module |
| 03:59.40 | jetscreamer | apt-get for rpm rocks |
| 03:59.52 | pickcoder | dendrite: you end up with 10 pages of cheat notes |
| 04:00.00 | Marudubshinki | pickcoder: I think I'm gonna force installation of every library it complains about. should be interesting, anyway. |
| 04:00.01 | dendrite | pickcoder: :-) |
| 04:00.04 | jetscreamer | you need sources though |
| 04:00.41 | pickcoder | dendrite: and the FHS differences make it even worse |
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| 04:01.29 | dendrite | pickcoder: I have encountered a little of that from time to time. The thing that messes me up is the differences in admin and config methods. |
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| 04:02.24 | i3d | any app under linux can show what type of media format a dvd device can support? |
| 04:02.28 | jetscreamer | fhs? |
| 04:02.30 | pickcoder | dendrite: atleast useradd and passwd are the same on any Linux flavor |
| 04:02.40 | maple1 | is this the ubuntu channel |
| 04:02.42 | maple1 | ? |
| 04:02.45 | jetscreamer | yes it is |
| 04:02.48 | jetscreamer | go away |
| 04:02.49 | dendrite | pickcoder: Assuming no ldap or other weirdness. |
| 04:02.59 | jetscreamer | /topic |
| 04:03.05 | maple1 | sry, I can't read |
| 04:03.11 | jetscreamer | /join #ubuntu |
| 04:03.23 | jetscreamer | what is fhs |
| 04:03.38 | dendrite | jetscreamer: File Heirarchy Standard |
| 04:03.42 | jetscreamer | thanks |
| 04:03.44 | peterS | jetscreamer: it's a very very googleable acronym |
| 04:03.46 | dendrite | jetscreamer: Where files are supposed to be. |
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| 04:03.52 | jetscreamer | lets see |
| 04:03.57 | jetscreamer | oh that one |
| 04:03.58 | pickcoder | googleable |
| 04:03.59 | pickcoder | nice |
| 04:04.14 | dendrite | Heh. Adjectivization strikes again! |
| 04:04.17 | jetscreamer | yeah ok it was |
| 04:04.22 | jetscreamer | i thought it wouldn't be |
| 04:04.22 | peterS | I think 'very very' means it's the first hit, 'very' just means it's in the top 4 |
| 04:04.41 | dendrite | jetscreamer: There's always !fhs :-) |
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| 04:05.01 | peterS | yeah so how many people here remember what FSSTND was |
| 04:05.05 | jetscreamer | somebody needs to tidy up the fhs |
| 04:05.19 | jetscreamer | too many files in a lump |
| 04:05.23 | peterS | jetscreamer: they have a mailing list if you'd like to help them develop new versions |
| 04:05.32 | dendrite | peterS: Wasn't that RedHat's attempt at standardization? |
| 04:05.34 | jetscreamer | i'd make a very anal librarian |
| 04:05.37 | Kr4t05 | Ok... |
| 04:05.46 | jetscreamer | ok what |
| 04:05.47 | peterS | dendrite: it was what the FHS used to be called, back when it was Linux-specific |
| 04:05.48 | Kr4t05 | I guess I can just go back to the kiddie pool. |
| 04:06.01 | jetscreamer | did it work or did it not work |
| 04:06.10 | dansushi | what is the boot image for floppy disks? |
| 04:06.11 | dendrite | peterS: Ah, gotcha. Wasn't sure of it's phylogeny. |
| 04:06.20 | pickcoder | RH can't even keep their own standards |
| 04:06.28 | dendrite | pickcoder: You noticed that too... |
| 04:06.42 | jetscreamer | guess not |
| 04:06.45 | peterS | dendrite: both fsstnd and fhs are driven by daniel quinlan, I don't _think_ he's affiliated with RH but I guess I'm not sure |
| 04:06.57 | jetscreamer | 50 good, 2 bad.. not bad ratio |
| 04:07.25 | dansushi | hey guys. what is the name of the debian boot floopy image for a net install? i need to use the boot floppy only since i have no cdrom drive in the 486 i am installing debian on |
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| 04:07.42 | dansushi | o and the previous question would be someone else who didn't really know how to phrase the question |
| 04:07.57 | jetscreamer | boot.img and root.img and a couple driver disks iirc |
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| 04:08.29 | dendrite | dansushi: What flavor of debian are you looking to install? |
| 04:08.34 | dansushi | which cd are they on |
| 04:08.35 | dansushi | etch |
| 04:08.40 | pickcoder | dansushi: you need 3 floppies for a net-install.. boot, root, and net |
| 04:08.54 | dansushi | where are they located |
| 04:08.58 | jetscreamer | are they on the cd? i didn't know that |
| 04:09.01 | dendrite | dansushi: what arch? |
| 04:09.05 | jetscreamer | they're on the net all i know |
| 04:09.11 | Kr4t05 | jetscreamer, I always hated using the nvidia installer. |
| 04:09.23 | jetscreamer | i told you it uses the .run |
| 04:09.26 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: you should Google AMD64 and DRM |
| 04:09.47 | Kr4t05 | jetscreamer, the .sh doesn't even work. It just downloads the .run and quits. |
| 04:09.54 | Marudubshinki | pickcoder: 'twas a joke. doesn't actually have to do with the bad DRM |
| 04:09.57 | Kr4t05 | This is stupid. |
| 04:10.01 | jetscreamer | then you need something you don't have installed |
| 04:10.12 | Kr4t05 | jetscreamer, it's gcc. |
| 04:10.21 | jetscreamer | 4.0 no doubt |
| 04:10.29 | jetscreamer | install it |
| 04:10.34 | pickcoder | Marudubshinki: one less evil I guess |
| 04:10.42 | Kr4t05 | jetscreamer, I have both gcc-4.0 and 4.1 installed, but I need to tell nvidia which one to use. |
| 04:10.42 | Marudubshinki | pickcoder: indeed. |
| 04:10.47 | Marudubshinki | anyhoo, good night everyone |
| 04:10.49 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:10.49 | dendrite | Hmm. I only see cd-drivers.img and net-drivers.img at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 04:10.59 | dansushi | jetscreamer, is there a place to download them directly or do i have to download the whole cd image and then mount that as a loopback device? |
| 04:11.13 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 04:11.27 | jetscreamer | a place afaik |
| 04:11.49 | jetscreamer | i haven't used them since woody though |
| 04:12.10 | dendrite | dansushi: Look around at ftp.debian.org. ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main and so on. In there somewhere... |
| 04:12.15 | jetscreamer | i only needed the bot and root even |
| 04:12.46 | jetscreamer | cd-image.debian.org is something iirc |
| 04:13.22 | dansushi | ok thanks i will take a look |
| 04:13.22 | jetscreamer | or not... |
| 04:13.31 | jetscreamer | something like that |
| 04:13.53 | pickcoder | I don't think there is a snapshot floppy set yet for beta3. |
| 04:13.57 | pickcoder | look in beta2 |
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| 04:14.24 | Kr4t05 | BRB, let's see if X will die on me. |
| 04:14.43 | jetscreamer | i mean like, wtf is this? http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst where's the link? |
| 04:14.53 | jetscreamer | gee i can eh... more please! |
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| 04:19.15 | jetscreamer | i think this is .. hmm what is 3.0r6 |
| 04:19.17 | jetscreamer | ftp://cdimage.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian3.0r6/main/disks-i386/current |
| 04:19.22 | jetscreamer | but it's floppies |
| 04:19.37 | jetscreamer | bf24 was woody though wans't it |
| 04:20.33 | pickcoder | looking for Sarge? |
| 04:21.05 | jetscreamer | here |
| 04:21.07 | jetscreamer | ftp://cdimage.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian3.1r3/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy |
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| 04:21.49 | jetscreamer | that link might have been nice on the page on debian.org |
| 04:21.57 | jetscreamer | but nooooooo |
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| 04:22.43 | dendrite | jetscreamer: Ah well, it's a good idea to wander around on ftp.debian.org once in a while anyhow. |
| 04:23.02 | supaplex | jetscreamer: and where are those 360k 5.25" disk images huh? I mean, they're still useable right? |
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| 04:23.27 | dendrite | supaplex: woo woo! *double sided* |
| 04:24.15 | pickcoder | I have an unopened box of 3.5" 720s in my cabinet.. just "in case" |
| 04:24.31 | supaplex | i had to upgrade the firmware on my hp pa risc machine with a tape drive once. Now THAT was fun.... |
| 04:24.33 | jetscreamer | i stil have my big floppy drives somewhere i think |
| 04:24.35 | pickcoder | I think there's some 3M 350MB tape cartridges in there too |
| 04:25.27 | jetscreamer | and that's better than trying to save the program 'star trek' on paper tape |
| 04:25.40 | jetscreamer | the ascii game |
| 04:25.44 | pickcoder | ticker tape party? |
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| 04:29.45 | m0dY | isn't the "/usr/include/openssl" is related to the pkg "openssl" ??? |
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| 04:30.53 | supaplex | !tell m0dY -about search |
| 04:31.33 | m0dY | if so,, then why when i do delete the "/usr/include/openssl" and do "apt-get remove openssl" then do "apt-get install openssl" .... this directory isn't re-installeD ?!!!! |
| 04:32.17 | supaplex | the include directory is for -dev I would bet. |
| 04:32.24 | supaplex | eg, openssl-dev |
| 04:32.52 | m0dY | E: Couldn't find package openssl-dev |
| 04:33.03 | m0dY | also nothing in apt-cache |
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| 04:33.50 | pickcoder | m0dy: did you install the dev package at one point? |
| 04:34.21 | m0dY | i didn't! it's a pure debian :) |
| 04:34.34 | supaplex | libssl-dev - SSL development libraries, header files and documentation |
| 04:34.40 | m0dY | well, got the right pkg name :) |
| 04:34.47 | m0dY | yeah, that's it ,, thanks anyway |
| 04:35.25 | m0dY | another thing! if i wanna do install my own openssl from source. do i have to remove these files then? |
| 04:35.42 | supaplex | no, they should live in /usr/local/ |
| 04:35.53 | supaplex | btw, apt-file search /usr/include/openssl found the same answer. |
| 04:35.59 | m0dY | i mean,, this header files is for the current openssl or they aren't openssl realted? |
| 04:36.07 | supaplex | man apt-file |
| 04:36.39 | m0dY | nvm |
| 04:36.49 | |pepo| | Ive installed recently debian-amd64 using just the firs CD, now I wanna update my system using apt repositories: please What are the URLs for my sources.list? |
| 04:37.11 | supaplex | !apt-setup |
| 04:37.11 | dpkg | methinks apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in testing/unstable since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
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| 04:37.45 | tapple | !gdeskcal |
| 04:38.39 | m0dY | another thing! is there a way to exclude some pkgs from being available to be installed via apt-get? |
| 04:39.29 | supaplex | yea, don't install them. :) |
| 04:39.44 | m0dY | heh funny :) |
| 04:40.38 | m0dY | in redhat like distros, there's an exclude list option so i could prevent some pkgs from being installed via it's pkgs manager |
| 04:41.00 | Duelist | deadrat has a package manager? |
| 04:41.25 | dendrite | Duelist: Yeah, DeadRat Porkage Munger. =) |
| 04:41.27 | supaplex | myth! |
| 04:41.28 | karsten | How would I park my disk heads? hdparm? |
| 04:41.47 | supaplex | parking is for mfm drives. ide's do it automagically. |
| 04:41.53 | pickcoder | karsten: most drives now auto-park |
| 04:41.59 | pickcoder | too late again.. |
| 04:42.04 | karsten | pickcoder: Yeah, that was my thought. |
| 04:42.21 | karsten | pickcoder: However I thought there was some power management stuff that would spin down / park drives. |
| 04:43.06 | pickcoder | RPM is da bomb |
| 04:43.07 | karsten | hdparm -S |
| 04:43.13 | supaplex | use sleeping drives with caution. It's hit or miss if they wake up (in my encounters). |
| 04:43.18 | pickcoder | the database blows up regularly |
| 04:43.30 | supaplex | must be mysql backed |
| 04:43.32 | karsten | supaplex: current apcid laptop mode invokes it automatically. |
| 04:43.37 | supaplex | ;) |
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| 04:47.55 | jetscreamer | !curse dpkg-scanpackages |
| 04:47.55 | dpkg | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, dpkg-scanpackages! |
| 04:49.58 | pickcoder | !bless pickcoder |
| 04:49.59 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child pickcoder, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 04:50.23 | qwertz | Does anybody know which directory rights are set for /root/ on a standard sarge installation? |
| 04:50.25 | jngu1 | Hello everyone. |
| 04:50.37 | pickcoder | crap.. that didn't go well |
| 04:50.50 | supaplex | qwertz: I suggest 0700 root:root |
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| 04:52.45 | jngu1 | I'm having issues displaying em space |
| 04:52.50 | jngu1 | anyone know which package I'm missing |
| 04:53.02 | supaplex | !squares |
| 04:53.02 | dpkg | don't trip man! those square characters are caused by an oversight in the application, see /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or did you see boxes too? |
| 04:53.14 | supaplex | just a guess... |
| 04:53.18 | jngu1 | lol |
| 04:53.39 | jngu1 | I think they're some utf font that I'm missing. |
| 04:53.47 | deadcat | wtf. we have /etc/init.d/rc.local now? |
| 04:53.55 | cast | really? |
| 04:54.03 | pickcoder | deadcat: that's not funny |
| 04:54.24 | Wyzard | yep, we do |
| 04:54.34 | deadcat | pickcoder: who sait it was funny. |
| 04:54.38 | pickcoder | in Sid? |
| 04:54.49 | deadcat | yes. in sid |
| 04:55.08 | pickcoder | I guess a lot of people complained about having to set symlinks in rcX.d |
| 04:55.36 | Wyzard | pickcoder: From the changelog, "Add rc.local support to be more compatible with non-Debian distributions." |
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| 04:56.04 | Wyzard | pickcoder: in 2.86.ds1-16 |
| 04:56.47 | pickcoder | is there an rc.sysinit too? |
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| 04:57.10 | Wyzard | nope, only rc.local |
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| 04:57.24 | pickcoder | good.. that's one less file to corrupt the start up |
| 04:57.29 | cafuego | No rc.conf? Where's chkconfig? |
| 04:57.32 | supaplex | it's your box. roll your own if you want... |
| 04:57.32 | clockwatching | hi guys, i just got etch installed (with desktop tasksel'd.) I also was able to get nvidia accelerated drivers working. As I'm on a dual-monitor setup, with gnome on the first monitor, is there a way for me to get a 2nd wm running on the 2nd display? I can't figure out which files to modify to get gnome on one, and something like openbox on the other |
| 04:58.29 | supaplex | well, a second instance can be fired up like startx -- :1, but that falls short of using a different wm. |
| 04:58.52 | clockwatching | supaplex: how do you propose I do that while using gdm? |
| 04:59.04 | cafuego | having a different wm means you can't move windows across |
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| 04:59.14 | clockwatching | supaplex: I've tried using DISPLAY=:x.x in .xinitrc |
| 04:59.32 | clockwatching | cafuego: yeah. I'm after acceleration on both displays (non-xinerama, non-twinview) |
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| 05:00.06 | clockwatching | I have a working XF86Config for sarge, i just haven't had the time to modify it for etch |
| 05:00.22 | supaplex | I'm kinda crippled w/o a debian box nearby. (just my ibook/macos here). |
| 05:00.38 | clockwatching | cafuego: you wouldn't be the first ;) |
| 05:01.00 | cafuego | supaplex: There's no reason why the iBook can't run Debian. |
| 05:02.13 | supaplex | I'm not installing over it, and the debian-live images aren't available yet. |
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| 05:09.12 | FernandoMM | hello i have a really stable system with Debian Etch running KDE 3.5 (uptime > 3 months for desktop use). I have installed Xgl, everything is fine, but as you know compiz doesn't work well with KDE. I want to install Gnome, but doesn't want to change confs like default browser (it would be galeon, right?) and others. Is there an apt-get command to do this? |
| 05:10.35 | dondelelcaro | FernandoMM: the default browser should be using sensible-browser or similar, so that shouldn't change; just apt-get install gnome; if you want it. |
| 05:10.42 | clockwatching | is it relatively safe to replace fam by gamin? I'm interested in installing thunar for use in place of nautilus, but aptitude displays a (non-intrusive) error regarding dependencies when removing fam |
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| 05:11.38 | dondelelcaro | clockwatching: if something depends on fam, then it probably only works with fam |
| 05:11.46 | exobyte | any qemu users around? |
| 05:11.52 | Supaplex | !ask |
| 05:11.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:11.57 | dondelelcaro | (if it works with both gamin and fam, it should have a dependency on either.) |
| 05:12.20 | clockwatching | dondelelcaro: shouldn't aptitude complain and prevent the transition? |
| 05:12.33 | clockwatching | i.e., when removing fam and installing gamin |
| 05:12.43 | exobyte | Supaplex: yeah, I know. Now the irony: that message was longer than me asking |
| 05:12.50 | dondelelcaro | clockwatching: it won't let you do it without removing whatever depends on fam if it doesn't also depend on gamin. |
| 05:12.50 | MERLiiN | hello |
| 05:13.00 | dondelelcaro | (s/also/alternatively) |
| 05:13.20 | exobyte | the debian qemu package seems to not have kernel acceleration support |
| 05:13.24 | exobyte | am I correct? |
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| 05:14.41 | Supaplex | exobyte: it's so hard to cut to the chase isn't it? The licensing would require it to be in a different package. iirc, module-assistant knows about it. |
| 05:15.07 | exobyte | Supaplex: I just meant the option |
| 05:15.48 | exobyte | Supaplex: I installed the module from source, but the package doesn't support -kernel-qemu |
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| 05:16.45 | Supaplex | ahh. there's many ways to accomplish this I'm sure. My first hunch would be to modify debian/rules to taste. |
| 05:16.59 | |pepo| | Do I can use the same repositories for my debian-amd64 that was using with my pentium4 ? |
| 05:17.31 | dondelelcaro | |pepo|: in most cases, yes. |
| 05:17.50 | dondelelcaro | (at least in the case of the official archives) |
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| 05:19.16 | |pepo| | the question is: |
| 05:19.17 | |pepo| | I've installed debian-amd64 with just one CD, now I wanna update using Internet... which repository I have to use? (the same of my Pentium4 version?) |
| 05:20.14 | dondelelcaro | |pepo|: yes, that's fine. |
| 05:20.21 | Supaplex | I think you misunderstand platforms, and repos. A repo (and usually does) carry multiple platforms. |
| 05:20.25 | jnguy | off to bed. |
| 05:20.28 | dondelelcaro | |pepo|: any mirrors listed on the mirrors page (/msg dpkg mirrors) will have it |
| 05:20.29 | jnguy | nightall. |
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| 05:20.37 | poonj | hey guys.. |
| 05:20.50 | sanmarcos | CYLONS!! |
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| 05:21.18 | tapple | is there a repository with xscreensaver packages in it? such as fireflies? |
| 05:21.21 | poonj | I have multiple external USB hard drives, is there a way to designate how each one is mounted? |
| 05:21.34 | sanmarcos | poonj: /etc/fstab |
| 05:21.50 | poonj | well, I mean in terms of the device naming |
| 05:21.56 | Supaplex | poonj: ext2/3 supports uuids to |
| 05:21.57 | dondelelcaro | tapple: some are in the debian archives; if that's not, you'll have to search google for them |
| 05:22.01 | sanmarcos | poonj: udev |
| 05:22.06 | poonj | oh okay |
| 05:22.07 | sanmarcos | poonj: simbolic links |
| 05:22.15 | Supaplex | uuid/guid/etc |
| 05:22.17 | sanmarcos | the latter being easiers |
| 05:22.36 | |pepo| | so the repository doesnt depend of my platform ---> thats new and cool :) |
| 05:22.51 | sanmarcos | some packages are arch independent |
| 05:22.55 | sanmarcos | ie all python packages |
| 05:23.20 | dondelelcaro | |pepo|: in the general case; however, not all mirrors have all architectures. [You probably won't ever use one of the archs that isn't on most mirrors though...] |
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| 05:24.09 | |pepo| | now I see that http://archive.progeny.com/debian/dists/testing/ have contents for amd64 |
| 05:24.15 | |pepo| | and many other |
| 05:24.20 | |pepo| | s |
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| 05:26.07 | |pepo| | thanks friends... now ill reboot n then try with my debian-amd64 |
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| 05:28.14 | ph00_phyter | OK this is not a real debioan question, but a irc-xchat question: I tried to ignore one guy but I couldn't figure out how to do that, I read the help, I trieed /ignore <nick-to-ignore> all ; the same with "nosave" instead of "all" and with both all and nosave; the first time I got the anwer <nick-to-ignore> added to ignore list, and other times I got "<nick-to-ignore> ignore has changed (something like that), but I still saw his messages. |
| 05:28.14 | ph00_phyter | Can someone please tellme the line to ignore one nickname, on all channels untill I "unignore" him? Thanks, and sorry for the OT |
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| 05:30.08 | b00m | what's the best keylogger out? |
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| 05:30.38 | Supaplex | uhm, but why? |
| 05:30.39 | SubStack | b00m, /usr/bin/script |
| 05:30.58 | Supaplex | history :) |
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| 05:31.45 | b00m | other than that |
| 05:31.53 | Supaplex | !best |
| 05:31.53 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 05:31.54 | b00m | that sends automatically to your e-mail |
| 05:31.57 | b00m | !best |
| 05:32.05 | b00m | !good |
| 05:32.08 | b00m | !better |
| 05:32.09 | dpkg | [better] a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 05:34.02 | SubStack | except for programming languages and text editors |
| 05:34.21 | Supaplex | perl > * |
| 05:34.22 | Supaplex | :) |
| 05:36.09 | poonj | thanks guys! |
| 05:36.21 | Supaplex | np |
| 05:37.33 | Supaplex | !dance |
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| 05:41.24 | mza- | !seen dococ |
| 05:41.25 | dpkg | dococ <~chrisoc@ool-457c309a.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 14h 44m 48s ago, saying: 'Aleric: I've been noticing much recent spam with no body. Like someone is massively testing spam-filters worldwide.'. |
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| 05:57.03 | nopalin | hi |
| 05:57.29 | karsten | nopalin: Greets. Just ask if you've got a question |
| 05:57.46 | nopalin | karsten: no i dont have a question |
| 05:58.09 | karsten | nopalin: ... in which case it's _very_ important ... |
| 05:58.13 | karsten | nopalin: ... that you don't ask. |
| 05:58.21 | nopalin | or well, if you want a question, here it is... |
| 05:59.09 | nopalin | karsten: i installed xgl, but glxgears shows me this : "Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"." |
| 05:59.39 | nopalin | karsten: if i run normal x, i can run fgl_gears very good |
| 06:00.03 | karsten | Check if you've got dri loading with your X drivers. Sarge or etch? |
| 06:00.10 | nopalin | sid |
| 06:00.30 | karsten | OK. |
| 06:00.35 | karsten | No further clues. |
| 06:01.06 | deadcat | compiled xgl or packaged? |
| 06:01.26 | nopalin | packaged |
| 06:01.35 | nopalin | from rmp ones |
| 06:01.41 | deadcat | o |
| 06:01.52 | karsten | deadcat: Yo. Cabal tomorrow? |
| 06:02.11 | nopalin | karsten: how can i get accelerated x driver? |
| 06:02.13 | deadcat | karsten: nah man.. in sac now. hella books to read. )= |
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| 06:02.26 | karsten | nopalin: What card? |
| 06:02.33 | nopalin | ati radeon 9550 |
| 06:02.54 | nopalin | karsten: i need to put some configuration ion xorg.conf file? |
| 06:03.02 | deadcat | nopalin: ati? just use aiglx from experimental instead |
| 06:03.15 | deadcat | nopalin: yes. |
| 06:03.22 | nopalin | deadcat: aiglx?, i use fglrx |
| 06:03.38 | deadcat | nopalin: just use the ati driver from experimental |
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| 06:03.41 | karsten | deadcat: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV (rev 11) |
| 06:03.50 | karsten | deadcat: ... any suggestions? vesa ATM. |
| 06:03.57 | nopalin | deadcat: well, i ise it, in only have sid repositories |
| 06:04.08 | deadcat | karsten: sorry. no clue. |
| 06:04.18 | karsten | deadcat: Worthless! |
| 06:04.23 | deadcat | )= |
| 06:05.01 | deadcat | havent really paid much attention to linux the last few weeks or so. |
| 06:05.18 | karsten | deadcat: School? Girl? |
| 06:05.26 | karsten | deadcat: ... or just puberty? |
| 06:05.28 | deadcat | karsten: yes yes, and running. |
| 06:05.29 | karsten | :-) |
| 06:05.42 | karsten | Cool. Workouts are good. |
| 06:06.14 | karsten | So I've got Flash configured and running under Firefox. |
| 06:06.16 | deadcat | speaking of swim, i am gonna miss it at dvc... )= |
| 06:06.19 | karsten | Discovered what it's good for. |
| 06:06.27 | karsten | Pigging the hell out of Firefox. |
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| 06:09.20 | merlincorey | why would xorg in my 2.6 kernel be looking to use agpgart? |
| 06:10.04 | karsten | merlincorey: Um. Because you've got an agpgart slot and card? |
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| 06:12.36 | merlincorey | oh |
| 06:12.37 | merlincorey | ok |
| 06:12.38 | merlincorey | well |
| 06:12.43 | merlincorey | why did it disappear then? |
| 06:12.49 | merlincorey | or rather |
| 06:12.56 | merlincorey | why can't I find it in the kernel modules listing? |
| 06:12.57 | merlincorey | :/ |
| 06:13.20 | karsten | merlincorey: I won't pretend to know the answer to that. |
| 06:13.48 | karsten | merlincorey: Might try 'modprobe agpgart' to see what happens.. |
| 06:14.35 | merlincorey | karsten: I won't pretend I have any idea either... I've been trying to fix this intermittedly the last day or so :/ |
| 06:14.45 | karsten | merlincorey: Dig. |
| 06:14.47 | merlincorey | karsten: the modprobe returned nothing |
| 06:14.57 | karsten | merlincorey: Any difference in loaded modules? |
| 06:15.08 | karsten | .. and check 'dmesg' for any kernel output. |
| 06:15.12 | merlincorey | It's ok, it's my fault... |
| 06:15.20 | merlincorey | I really shouldn't even be asking for help |
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| 06:15.53 | merlincorey | I didn't do ANYTHING but update this unstable box at an inopportune time, probably |
| 06:16.54 | merlincorey | worse, it's been a headless box until recently but X was working until a recent update :p |
| 06:17.18 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 06:17.27 | karsten | apt-get or aptitude update? |
| 06:17.51 | karsten | Note that aptitude logs the changes made. |
| 06:17.59 | merlincorey | apt-get |
| 06:18.12 | karsten | apt-get doesn't ;-) |
| 06:18.13 | merlincorey | however... |
| 06:18.21 | merlincorey | It does remind me |
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| 06:19.03 | merlincorey | I think I was playing with a new kernel or something that didn't get installed all the way... so mayhap it lost or reset my modules |
| 06:19.25 | e-type | monring all |
| 06:19.30 | merlincorey | morning e-type |
| 06:19.33 | merlincorey | but e-type |
| 06:19.38 | merlincorey | it's really not morning for all of us ;) |
| 06:19.40 | qwertz_ | Hi, just saw that du -hs gave for /etc 7,6G "ls -lhSra" says the largest file is 147K and "du -h --max-depth=1" in /etc gave me 5,6M for the largest dir - so is there another way to get the reason for the 7,6G that is shown by du? |
| 06:19.57 | e-type | merlincorey: ??? what are you trying to say ??? |
| 06:20.05 | e-type | merlincorey: my dad sais it is morning as well :) |
| 06:20.22 | merlincorey | e-type: that your statement was far too general for this channel; also, "sais" is perhaps "says" |
| 06:20.28 | e-type | back to a flat earth policy :) |
| 06:20.56 | merlincorey | waiting: not that astonishing... I can make you an application that will work with any word you want :p |
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| 06:21.05 | waiting | ls -mogul works, too btw |
| 06:21.10 | waiting | in case you wondered :) |
| 06:21.13 | e-type | merlincorey: hm, you sound serious... /me turns off the off topic-ness |
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| 06:21.33 | waiting | merlincorey: will you name it MERLIN then? ;) |
| 06:21.45 | merlincorey | e-type: serious? I am rarely that serious, mate ;) |
| 06:21.55 | e-type | :) |
| 06:22.02 | merlincorey | waiting: no, that's a really bad name for a program, unless it has a really cool acronym ;) |
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| 06:22.41 | waiting | Merlin: every regular language input nifty |
| 06:22.46 | waiting | ^^ |
| 06:22.51 | waiting | not very cool |
| 06:23.05 | merlincorey | and the M is very silent :p |
| 06:23.26 | waiting | s/Merlin: /makes |
| 06:23.27 | merlincorey | alright thanks karsten... I'll mess about some more and see if I can figure anything else out :P |
| 06:23.28 | waiting | :) |
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| 06:24.31 | waiting | ls -blah works, too ;:D |
| 06:24.33 | hcy | hi, doing a routine apt-get upgrade (which I hadn't done in a long time), it got stuck, and now a lot of stuff is uninstalled, or not working. apt is complaining that a bunch of packages have unmet dependencies, they depend on python >=2.4, but 2.3.5-5 is installed. What can I do to fix this, please? |
| 06:24.57 | waiting | hcy: if it is routine, how comes it has not been done in a long time? |
| 06:25.19 | hcy | waiting: it *should* be routine... but that's beside the point at the moment |
| 06:25.24 | waiting | for you |
| 06:25.30 | karsten | waiting: I'd take that as "vanilla" rather than "frequently performed". |
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| 06:25.50 | waiting | for me it is _the_ point, because your statement is incosistent due to that contradiction (; |
| 06:25.54 | karsten | hcy: How long since your update, and did you actually commit the update? |
| 06:26.12 | Zesty | Can someone point me in the right direction as to where to get the php5-mysqli module, or the source to compile it? |
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| 06:26.21 | hcy | karsten: I did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 06:26.35 | hcy | karsten: and i don't remember when the last time was |
| 06:26.54 | karsten | hcy: That should prompt you to accept the changes. Did you blindly say yes, or did you go "Woah, Nelly!" and abort? |
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| 06:26.57 | hcy | i've been busy lately and since everything was working fine I didn't think it necessary to upgrade, until evolution died on me |
| 06:27.17 | hcy | karsten: i didn't abort anything |
| 06:27.32 | karsten | hcy: Basically: are we sorting out a troubled (but working) system or one that's pretty botched? |
| 06:27.52 | karsten | hcy: OK, so it's pretty botched. |
| 06:27.59 | karsten | hcy: First: /msg dpkg aptitude. |
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| 06:28.28 | karsten | hcy: Read that factoid and the remated mailing list post. Note that aptitude logs its changes, so you can at least figure out what you have to reinstall in cases like this. |
| 06:29.10 | karsten | hcy: Basically at this point you're going to want to try reinstalling stuff you're aware is missing, and resolving deps when you run into something that's not. Might make sure your mirror is up to date and properly configured as well. |
| 06:29.34 | hcy | karsten: ok, thanks... but at the moment i can't install aptitude since anytime i try any apt-get thing it complains about python needing to be >=2.4 but 2.3.5-5 is going to be installed |
| 06:29.36 | jetscreamer | this sounds like a job for superdselect |
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| 06:29.58 | karsten | hcy: aptitude, interactive mode, can be used to drill down and explicitly select packages. |
| 06:30.08 | waiting | omg ^- |
| 06:30.14 | karsten | hcy: Sounds like you need to find out _why_ python's stuck at 23. |
| 06:30.16 | karsten | 2.3 |
| 06:30.18 | hcy | karsten: how can i get it if apt-get's stuck? |
| 06:30.28 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
| 06:30.45 | karsten | jetscreamer: aptitude just called, 1996 wants its package manager back. |
| 06:30.50 | cunzhang | hi,today I upgrade sid,than I can't start X,saying no /dev/input/mice.And I find no dir /dev/input,then I create it.But startx still say can't open /dev/input/mice |
| 06:31.00 | waiting | rotfl |
| 06:31.05 | hcy | karsten: ok what do you suggest, how do i find out why python's stuck? |
| 06:31.06 | waiting | how funny ^^ |
| 06:31.17 | jetscreamer | dselect>aptitude |
| 06:31.18 | karsten | hcy: I told you: aptitude, interactive mode. |
| 06:31.29 | jetscreamer | esp for dependency hell |
| 06:31.31 | karsten | hcy: If that doesn't work, apt-get will also tell you the reasons. |
| 06:31.57 | karsten | jetscreamer: I find aptitude works fine, and is vastly more logical in navigation / layout than dselect. |
| 06:31.57 | hcy | karsten: i said, i can't apt-get aptitude because apt-get complains about the dependencies whenever i try running it |
| 06:32.01 | waiting | talk with the bot! |
| 06:32.05 | karsten | hcy: See above. |
| 06:32.06 | jetscreamer | the gui isn't the point |
| 06:32.10 | hcy | karsten: so, how can i use apt-get to do it? |
| 06:32.14 | karsten | jetscreamer: Then what is? |
| 06:32.15 | jetscreamer | the internals are supierior |
| 06:32.22 | jetscreamer | the dependency resolution |
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| 06:32.43 | waiting | so this is like |
| 06:32.43 | jetscreamer | 99 out of a 100 aptitude and apt-get and whatever work |
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| 06:32.52 | karsten | hcy: Attempt installing the version of python you want (or the other app says it needs) and see what it tells you as to why it can or cannot install. |
| 06:32.56 | waiting | the helpdesk from hell ^^ |
| 06:33.06 | jetscreamer | but that 1, dselect works... ok 88 & 99 and then there's that one nothing gets |
| 06:33.07 | hcy | karsten: ok |
| 06:33.16 | waiting | "talk with the bot" as a sadistic variant of "please hold the line" |
| 06:33.27 | jetscreamer | 98 |
| 06:33.41 | karsten | hcy: The '-s' or '--show-only' option will show you what _would_ happen but doesn't actually execute it. |
| 06:34.01 | jetscreamer | cunzhang: modprobe mousedev |
| 06:34.03 | hcy | karsten: oh, good to know, thanks |
| 06:34.14 | karsten | jetscreamer: I think you meant "97 out of 100", and "99 and 100" |
| 06:34.29 | waiting | "I think you meant" - another classic ^^ |
| 06:34.34 | karsten | hcy: Er: -s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act |
| 06:34.48 | waiting | and so starts the weekend |
| 06:34.49 | karsten | hcy: All synonyms. |
| 06:34.50 | jetscreamer | 98 out of 100, most work, 99 dselect gets, the 100th is pure hell nothing gets it |
| 06:34.54 | jetscreamer | or yeah |
| 06:34.56 | hcy | karsten: thanks |
| 06:35.04 | jetscreamer | 97 usual, 98&99 dselect.. |
| 06:35.13 | cunzhang | jetscreamer,I install old mouse driver ,still can't |
| 06:35.20 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 06:35.37 | jetscreamer | try modprobe psmouse if modprobe mousedev didn't do it cunzhang |
| 06:35.50 | karsten | "100 debian dependency resolution issues on the wall, 100 debian dependency resolutions ... " |
| 06:36.01 | jetscreamer | then grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:36.05 | jetscreamer | if those don't work |
| 06:36.09 | karsten | Or was it 99? |
| 06:36.14 | cunzhang | jetscreamer,thank you |
| 06:36.24 | jetscreamer | does that mean it worked? |
| 06:36.32 | jetscreamer | or just tia |
| 06:36.39 | karsten | dpkg: 99 bottles is 99 Debian dependency resolution issues on the wall, 99 Debian dependency resolutions ... ask jetscreamer to sing the rest. |
| 06:36.40 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 06:36.44 | karsten | !99 bottles |
| 06:36.45 | dpkg | i guess 99 bottles is 99 Debian dependency resolution issues on the wall, 99 Debian dependency resolutions ... ask jetscreamer to sing the rest. |
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| 06:37.18 | karsten | dpkg: jetscreamer is also see 99 bottles. |
| 06:37.18 | dpkg | karsten: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 06:37.22 | karsten | Feh. |
| 06:37.30 | waiting | I could try talking to the bot :o |
| 06:37.42 | jetscreamer | dpkg no, 99 bottles is <reply>99 bottles is 99 Debian dependency resolution issues on the wall, 99 Debian dependency resolutions ... ask karsten & jetscreamer to sing the rest. |
| 06:37.42 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 06:37.59 | karsten | Heh. |
| 06:37.59 | jetscreamer | waiting i wasn't here what's your issue |
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| 06:38.07 | waiting | jetscreamer: oh |
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| 06:38.17 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 06:38.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:38.18 | karsten | jetscreamer: I thought he was just providing color commentary. |
| 06:38.20 | waiting | jetscreamer: bochs gives me illegal instruction errors - nothing too special ^^ |
| 06:38.31 | karsten | waiting: bochs? Are you insane? |
| 06:38.32 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 06:38.35 | karsten | waiting: Tried qemu? |
| 06:38.36 | jetscreamer | wtf is bochs |
| 06:38.46 | waiting | jetscreamer: yeah, wtf is it ^^ |
| 06:38.48 | karsten | jetscreamer: very slow virtualization package. |
| 06:38.52 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:38.56 | waiting | jetscreamer: maybe the bot knows? ^^ |
| 06:38.56 | jetscreamer | i saw the name somewhere |
| 06:39.03 | jetscreamer | so that's what it is |
| 06:39.20 | waiting | hmhm hmhm ^^ |
| 06:39.22 | karsten | waiting: Whatever you're trying to do, qemu is almost certainly a better option. And VMWare workstation's freely downloadable these days. |
| 06:39.25 | cast | reminds me. someone get me accelerated gfx under xen |
| 06:39.38 | waiting | excatly. I should of course use xen |
| 06:39.46 | karsten | waiting: Might also look at vservrs, xen, chroot, parallels. |
| 06:39.47 | waiting | it is really the truth |
| 06:39.50 | waiting | ^- |
| 06:39.57 | karsten | waiting: Da. |
| 06:39.59 | cast | UML, openvz |
| 06:40.00 | waiting | boy this sucks |
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| 06:40.23 | karsten | waiting: Xen will give you the best performance of the lot. May be stability issues but that seems to be improving markedly. |
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| 06:40.52 | cast | i have a feeling xen is pretty solid |
| 06:40.57 | waiting | totally |
| 06:41.07 | cast | i had no problems with it, other than unaccelerated X. |
| 06:41.14 | waiting | very good |
| 06:41.24 | waiting | you run debian gnu/linux in it, right? ;) |
| 06:41.31 | karsten | cast: Xen 3.x was somewhat flakey, particularly in certain instances, mostly involving suspending, SMS, large memory, and live relo. |
| 06:41.43 | clockwatching | wtih grub (in etch), for a multi-debian-version system, is it possible to specify the ordering of the menu entries? ie, I'd like to have the 2.6.8-3 kernel (of sarge) to have preference over the 2.6.16-2 kernel (of etch) |
| 06:41.56 | cast | karsten: haha. all the things i didn't use :> |
| 06:42.08 | wols | yes it's possible to specify it |
| 06:42.11 | karsten | cast: Yeah, well, some people wanted that. |
| 06:42.21 | clockwatching | i'd like to use the automatic setup of grub (in debian) rather than a manual config |
| 06:42.36 | wols | first kernel is shown first on the menu, and there is a "default" setting too |
| 06:42.46 | Guerin | clockwatching: i don't believe this is possible |
| 06:42.48 | karsten | clockwatching: ... and? |
| 06:42.55 | karsten | clockwatching: Ah. |
| 06:42.58 | clockwatching | karsten: you missed the question |
| 06:42.59 | wols | you need to edit menu.lst manually for this |
| 06:43.00 | clockwatching | :/ |
| 06:43.04 | Guerin | clockwatching: in other words, you gots to go and edit it manually |
| 06:43.26 | Guerin | clockwatching: or just enter a kernel line above the debian automagic kernel list |
| 06:43.27 | karsten | clockwatching: You can add your own list of kernels below the "update-grub won't touch below here" line. |
| 06:43.43 | karsten | clockwatching: Otherwise, SooL AFAIK. |
| 06:44.50 | clockwatching | right, i understand how to do it manually (in fact, I've already done so,) but I just wanted to be sure that there was no better way to automatically handle the kernels in /boot/ |
| 06:44.55 | clockwatching | thanks anyway |
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| 06:45.40 | waiting | clockwatching: looking at update-grub, I am pretty sure there is a "better way" |
| 06:45.48 | clockwatching | doing so (= |
| 06:45.49 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:45.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:45.55 | waiting | it's just not ... implemented |
| 06:45.58 | waiting | ;) |
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| 06:46.59 | m1ke_l | did someone move my /var/lib/dhcp/dhcp_leases file? |
| 06:47.05 | m1ke_l | and if so...where can i find it? |
| 06:47.08 | waiting | clockwatching: actually one would have to replace the function CompareVersions with an (optional) CompareMTimes routine |
| 06:47.42 | waiting | clockwatching: then you could implement sort order by mtime (instead of always getting the version sort order) |
| 06:49.02 | clockwatching | waiting: wouldn't it be easier (to the same end) to stick with a version comparison? The version sort order will be indicative of the age of the kernels, too |
| 06:49.11 | waiting | clockwatching: so ehm |
| 06:49.21 | waiting | clockwatching: if what is done i good |
| 06:49.29 | waiting | clockwatching: what is your friggin prob then? |
| 06:49.44 | waiting | clockwatching: ;D |
| 06:50.15 | clockwatching | scroll up :) Ideally, I'd like to have the oldest kernel as the default |
| 06:50.21 | waiting | clockwatching: ah :) |
| 06:50.28 | waiting | clockwatching: so you have to reverse the sort order |
| 06:50.38 | clockwatching | well, yes |
| 06:51.14 | waiting | I think enough eyes are focussed on this now, you will find along ^^ I go back and wrestle this totally deprecated software now ^^ |
| 06:51.40 | clockwatching | i'll peruse the lists later. right now I'm looking up session times for movies |
| 06:51.53 | clockwatching | I've no idea which blockbusters are out |
| 06:52.30 | waiting | firefox adblock will ultimately destroy the internet |
| 06:52.37 | waiting | ;) |
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| 06:53.35 | SubStack | or advertising will simply mesh more with content |
| 06:53.46 | SubStack | or they'll get real clever about it |
| 06:53.53 | waiting | SubStack: ack. |
| 06:54.10 | waiting | SubStack: see osnews, a barrage of win/apple ads disguised as "news" lately |
| 06:56.19 | karsten | waiting: Howso? |
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| 06:56.53 | karsten | waiting: ... but yeah, content as advertising's been around for al ong while. |
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| 07:04.27 | hcy | so, when i get bug reports when doing apt-get upgrade, i'm imagining that the ones marked "done" are okay to continue with, but those marked "open" should be skipped. how do you tell apt-get not to install those packages without killing the whole apt-get upgrade? |
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| 07:05.00 | karsten | hcy: Hold the package. |
| 07:05.09 | karsten | hcy: Note that open bugs may or may not be particularly critical. |
| 07:05.41 | hcy | karsten: ok. but to hold it, i need to stop apt-get, then do that 'echo packagename hold | dpkg --set-selections' thing? |
| 07:05.43 | liable | hrm, how the hell can i get udev to run a script on detection and loading od a module? I have tried quite a few things, but it seems to ignore me |
| 07:06.00 | karsten | hcy: Yeah. |
| 07:06.15 | hcy | karsten: ok. no way to do it from inside apt-get |
| 07:06.19 | karsten | liable: Sounds like a problem for hotplug? |
| 07:06.27 | liable | meh, just use aptitude and run aptitude hold foo |
| 07:06.28 | karsten | hcy: Not that I'm aware. |
| 07:06.41 | karsten | liable: Not if jetscreamer has anything to do with it. |
| 07:06.42 | liable | karsten: yes, but udev replaced hotplug |
| 07:06.48 | karsten | liable: Ah... |
| 07:06.57 | liable | karsten: heh, dselect must die! :) |
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| 07:07.24 | karsten | liable: Hrm: /sbin/udevtrigger ? |
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| 07:07.55 | karsten | liable: ... or /etc/udev/rules.d/ ? |
| 07:08.22 | karsten | liable: man 7 udev |
| 07:08.54 | jetscreamer | hell no |
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| 07:09.02 | jetscreamer | i prefer the best |
| 07:09.11 | liable | karsten: bit of a long story, but i need it to run a daemon when it loads the module for my wifi, but it doesnt run the script untill after i have started the daemon, no matter what triggers i put in the rule.. |
| 07:09.14 | jetscreamer | did you try it or not |
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| 07:09.27 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 07:09.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 07:09.27 | karsten | jetscreamer: you can't afford me. |
| 07:09.35 | jetscreamer | but i love you man |
| 07:09.45 | karsten | jetscreamer: You too bro. |
| 07:09.55 | liable | awww |
| 07:10.08 | jetscreamer | gimme your bud light |
| 07:10.13 | liable | *sniff* |
| 07:10.28 | liable | fix my udev and i'll send you a case! |
| 07:10.38 | karsten | jetscreamer: Sierra Nevada Pale Ale all the way. |
| 07:10.51 | jetscreamer | apt-get install yaird && apt-get remove --purge udev |
| 07:10.55 | jetscreamer | fixed |
| 07:10.58 | liable | no |
| 07:11.14 | liable | for a start, i dont use debian kernels. |
| 07:11.43 | waiting | pssst if linus hears this ^^ |
| 07:11.44 | jetscreamer | me neither |
| 07:11.53 | jetscreamer | well i use debian source |
| 07:12.06 | jetscreamer | ok so forget about yaird |
| 07:12.12 | waiting | mwahaha |
| 07:12.13 | liable | and i fail to see how removing udev and having static dev is going to help me load a daemon on module load :P |
| 07:12.26 | jetscreamer | you said you had udev problems |
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| 07:12.54 | jetscreamer | i don't know how to create udev rules |
| 07:13.00 | liable | yes, i dont understand it, its working ok, but not doing what i ask :( |
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| 07:13.27 | waiting | god how brainwashed can one possibly get? |
| 07:13.33 | waiting | "it's working ok" |
| 07:13.43 | waiting | "but it's not doing what I ask" |
| 07:13.45 | jetscreamer | are you still waiting? |
| 07:13.48 | jetscreamer | damn dude |
| 07:13.50 | soot | hey can i still use devfs ? |
| 07:13.57 | liable | oh shut the fuck up, or gimme the answer smart ass |
| 07:14.00 | soot | lik when i install debian .. can i sopecify to use it ? |
| 07:14.07 | jetscreamer | no not really |
| 07:14.15 | soot | cuz |
| 07:14.23 | soot | i gotta install on one machine and move the hard drive to another |
| 07:14.26 | waiting | it's _deprecated_ |
| 07:14.36 | soot | but can i use it ? :) |
| 07:14.39 | waiting | NO |
| 07:14.40 | waiting | ;D |
| 07:14.41 | jetscreamer | soot: debian has udev, the devfs replacement.. but it's ok |
| 07:14.49 | soot | well the thing is |
| 07:14.56 | soot | it shits itself in the new box |
| 07:15.03 | jetscreamer | you can move hd's easy, all you have to change is the fstab and the /boot/menu.lst |
| 07:15.15 | soot | well ig et this error |
| 07:15.16 | soot | 432 cannot open dev/console |
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| 07:15.25 | liable | waiting: so, i am waiting for your fantastic answer.. |
| 07:15.31 | karsten | soot: You don't have a /dev/ filesystem. |
| 07:15.43 | soot | so what do i do ? :) |
| 07:15.54 | soot | see the problem is on the box i am moving it to i dont have a keyboard |
| 07:15.55 | karsten | soot: Make a proper initrd, if this is at boot. |
| 07:15.59 | waiting | soot: you read this: http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20060904.html |
| 07:16.14 | soot | dilbert sucks |
| 07:16.21 | jetscreamer | well at least your a better troll than the average troll |
| 07:16.38 | jetscreamer | you're |
| 07:16.39 | soot | i really dont have a keyboard for it |
| 07:16.39 | karsten | soot: Oh, you're trying to do a serial console boot, right? |
| 07:16.45 | soot | well i wanted to |
| 07:16.49 | soot | but it was kinda tough |
| 07:16.58 | karsten | soot: You doing an install or what here? |
| 07:17.02 | soot | so what i did was take the drive and put it into another machine and installed onto it |
| 07:17.06 | soot | well yeah |
| 07:17.10 | k-man_ | what's a good cd ripping app. these days? |
| 07:17.14 | soot | ok ... see i got these old set top boxes |
| 07:17.18 | jetscreamer | [02.18.00] <soot> i gotta install on one machine and move the hard drive to another |
| 07:17.23 | soot | and there is no keyboard for them |
| 07:17.32 | soot | except some woreless one that needs some software |
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| 07:17.34 | soot | so i cant use it |
| 07:17.37 | soot | wireless |
| 07:17.38 | jetscreamer | k3b works... but there's some console ones |
| 07:17.51 | jetscreamer | there's many other gui ones too |
| 07:18.01 | karsten | soot: Maybe park the drive back on the other box, and test that it boots properly there. |
| 07:18.07 | soot | it does |
| 07:18.10 | karsten | soot: If not, you're going to want to muck with mkinitrd. |
| 07:18.11 | waiting | well when it comes to this "trolling" thing |
| 07:18.12 | liable | hrm, /me has an idea.. |
| 07:18.18 | waiting | I think you got the point worng |
| 07:18.23 | karsten | soot: You've got a monitor but no keyboard, right? |
| 07:18.27 | soot | yup |
| 07:18.29 | waiting | _you_ are the "trolls" |
| 07:18.29 | jetscreamer | soot is it on the same ide channel as the other one? |
| 07:18.32 | soot | so i can see where it stops |
| 07:18.50 | karsten | k-man_: cdrecord is what I've used. There's a new set of tools in Debian in the past week. |
| 07:18.50 | jetscreamer | waiting: nice life you have going for you there |
| 07:18.57 | waiting | look |
| 07:19.02 | k-man_ | karsten, which tools? |
| 07:19.07 | waiting | the internet is a place where trolls are the majority |
| 07:19.13 | waiting | you _are_ the majority |
| 07:19.23 | waiting | :) |
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| 07:19.46 | jetscreamer | trolls may be a minority... go apply for welfare and find out |
| 07:20.03 | jetscreamer | unemployment |
| 07:20.05 | sAkUrAgI | http://www.theaircar.com/ |
| 07:20.08 | karsten | k-man_: Sec. |
| 07:20.10 | jetscreamer | hey they might even find you a job |
| 07:20.28 | waiting | jetscreamer: well, unfree minds like yours are not suitable for free software :) |
| 07:20.30 | karsten | soot: Describe what you do see in the boot process. BIOS? GRUB prompt? Kernle load? |
| 07:20.36 | jetscreamer | got any qualifications? |
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| 07:20.40 | waiting | jetscreamer: so you are not much of a loss for us :)) |
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| 07:20.52 | karsten | soot: ... and is it in the initrd or outside it when /dev/console fails? |
| 07:20.52 | jetscreamer | i see that the answer is no |
| 07:21.04 | waiting | jetscreamer: now, why don't you go and code a little ... shellscript or whatever ^^ |
| 07:21.08 | jetscreamer | well i'm sure they can find something to fid your skillset |
| 07:21.15 | jetscreamer | fit |
| 07:21.17 | karsten | k-man_: cdkit |
| 07:21.20 | waiting | hmhm |
| 07:21.24 | karsten | k-man_: Er: cdrkit. |
| 07:21.30 | waiting | you know, all you gotta do is start |
| 07:21.35 | waiting | #!/bin/sh |
| 07:21.43 | liable | bbl |
| 07:21.45 | jetscreamer | in the meantime, you should probably try to improve your self image |
| 07:21.53 | soot | karsten .... not sure |
| 07:21.55 | jetscreamer | it SUCKS |
| 07:22.05 | waiting | jetscreamer: why did I expect that suggestion coming from your direction? |
| 07:22.06 | soot | how would i know if its "inside" initrd ? |
| 07:22.15 | jetscreamer | it was fairly obvious |
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| 07:22.28 | waiting | jetscreamer: so |
| 07:22.38 | jetscreamer | soot: put it back in the other box, and install a -386 kernel also |
| 07:22.40 | waiting | jetscreamer: and this is how you pass the time when you are not shell scripting? |
| 07:22.42 | jetscreamer | it will boot |
| 07:22.51 | jetscreamer | no this is how i pass the time when i want to |
| 07:22.56 | waiting | hmhm |
| 07:23.02 | karsten | soot: Should see a line like: checking if image is initramfs... it is |
| 07:23.14 | soot | jetscreamer whats the most expedient way to install a 386 kernel |
| 07:23.17 | waiting | from your previous postings may I assume that you have work? ;) |
| 07:23.23 | soot | oh wait .. when booting the cd theres options |
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| 07:23.26 | soot | wait i will have al ook |
| 07:23.36 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kernel-image && apt-get install one |
| 07:23.41 | jetscreamer | or linux-image depending |
| 07:23.54 | Stevie | it's linux-image now |
| 07:24.07 | Stevie | Before I figured it out, I spent a long time wondering where all the kernels went. |
| 07:24.10 | waiting | I bet the little bastard works as a callcenter agent like 90% of the rest of these fucking wannabe gurus |
| 07:24.42 | waiting | the rest are salesppl perpetrators |
| 07:24.43 | jetscreamer | it's still has kernel-image in sarge though i think |
| 07:24.43 | Stevie | waiting: What does that have to do with Debian? |
| 07:24.43 | jetscreamer | yes i'm a telemarketer |
| 07:24.43 | waiting | Stevie: not too much |
| 07:24.44 | karsten | waiting: Um, please resolve your personal problems elsewhere. |
| 07:24.46 | jetscreamer | would you like to sign up |
| 07:24.49 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 07:24.57 | Guerin | Stevie: as much as 75% of the rest of what goes on in here |
| 07:25.34 | Guerin | jetscreamer: yeah, my address is 69 Fuckyou Street, Youevilbastard, Ihopeyoudiesville |
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| 07:25.47 | jetscreamer | i love you man |
| 07:26.01 | Guerin | !aww |
| 07:26.01 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 07:26.12 | waiting | script kiddies acting as ubergeeks just because they read that it is cool to be a gek on some fucking website |
| 07:26.20 | ootput | get a room, and don't act tough online! |
| 07:26.30 | Stevie | is it cool to be a gek now? |
| 07:26.38 | karsten | Stevie: gek out, man. |
| 07:26.40 | waiting | yeah fuck you, too |
| 07:26.59 | waiting | the situation is haltless |
| 07:27.17 | Stevie | you cannot know that. Turing proved as much. |
| 07:27.19 | karsten | !ops waiting troll |
| 07:27.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: waiting troll |
| 07:27.32 | waiting | Stevie: look before _I_ am going to debate Turing |
| 07:27.36 | jetscreamer | gek this! |
| 07:27.44 | waiting | Stevie: _you_ will say something that is interesting |
| 07:27.51 | jetscreamer | would you pass the turing test though |
| 07:28.00 | karsten | jetscreamer: Drop it. |
| 07:28.01 | peterS | settle down, people |
| 07:28.17 | wols | peterS: but mommy! HE started it! |
| 07:28.21 | jetscreamer | heh bob2 the sequel |
| 07:28.23 | Stevie | why is one of the nicks in th eopslist a frowny face? |
| 07:28.29 | Stevie | that's not even a legal nick |
| 07:28.33 | waiting | wols: too much ego for you, callcenter agent? |
| 07:29.06 | jetscreamer | some of those nicks i've ;never seen |
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| 07:29.26 | jetscreamer | where'd helix go off to anyway |
| 07:29.27 | khnh | hi guys |
| 07:29.36 | khnh | how do you open ports |
| 07:29.39 | karsten | jetscreamer: DPL. |
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| 07:29.43 | ootput | Stevie: it was probably inserted there in jest |
| 07:29.48 | wols | khnh: you run a server which listens on a port |
| 07:29.48 | karsten | khnh: With sockets. |
| 07:30.14 | Stevie | The real question is... how do you open starboards? |
| 07:30.31 | jetscreamer | heh maulkin is in there twice |
| 07:30.34 | wols | Stevie: ask NASA, duh |
| 07:30.34 | peterS | you open port with a corkscrew, same as any other wine |
| 07:30.49 | Stevie | khnh: But my guess is that you mean 'open' as in, let through the firewall? |
| 07:30.49 | ootput | peterS: right! |
| 07:31.06 | karsten | Stevie: With light tugs. |
| 07:31.15 | wols | peterS: snob. our wine only has crown seals |
| 07:31.28 | jetscreamer | i thought port was a port not a wine |
| 07:31.33 | khnh | i just installed openssh server and port is reported stealth by some online tool |
| 07:31.35 | jetscreamer | but i know nothing |
| 07:31.42 | Stevie | no comment |
| 07:31.46 | ootput | jetscreamer: a type of sweet wine |
| 07:31.48 | wols | knix: are you behind a router? |
| 07:32.07 | karsten | khnh: you can *test* port status with a portscanner such as nmap. |
| 07:32.27 | wols | khnh: rather |
| 07:32.41 | karsten | knix: You'll need to check the nodes between you and any given remote site if there are reports of a closed port. Could be your box, the remote box, or any intermediate firewall that's blocking you. |
| 07:32.46 | sAkUrAgI | http://www.theaircar.com/ |
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| 07:33.00 | wols | khnh: unless you explicitly installed a firewall, debian won't run a firewall since it's not needed normally |
| 07:33.12 | waiting | grr. all those ads & this pointless talk and these dumb questions make me aggie |
| 07:33.18 | khnh | i don't have any firewall |
| 07:33.29 | karsten | knix: You can check local firewall rules with 'iptables -L' |
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| 07:33.47 | wols | then you don't need to "open a port". again: do you have a router, like a linksys, netgear or dlink? |
| 07:33.58 | waiting | Turing. my gosh |
| 07:34.12 | waiting | years I was chasing his results |
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| 07:34.22 | khnh | i could ssh locally but not from outside of my LAN |
| 07:34.22 | waiting | then I read about his ... late career |
| 07:34.23 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:34.23 | dpkg | 12:13 < dottedquad> alright thx, one problem i'm stuck in the man and can't get out |
| 07:34.24 | ootput | !ops sAkUrAgI stupid promotion of website |
| 07:34.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: ootput complains about: sAkUrAgI stupid promotion of website |
| 07:34.38 | waiting | I stopped immediately |
| 07:34.49 | waiting | Stevie: so much for Turing |
| 07:34.49 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:34.49 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:34.53 | karsten | ootput: He's already gone. |
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| 07:35.03 | ootput | karsten: he comes and goes |
| 07:35.07 | ootput | karsten: scroll up a bit |
| 07:35.12 | karsten | ootput: OK. |
| 07:35.13 | khnh | wols: i got a netgear and i forward port 22 to my machine |
| 07:35.22 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 07:35.26 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@200.77.125.8] by peterS |
| 07:35.29 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 07:35.30 | karsten | khnh: This your current IP? |
| 07:35.33 | peterS | still, he might come back |
| 07:35.41 | wols | khnh: you need to port forward port 22/tcp in your router. if you can ssh inside your lan this is the only possible reason why it wouldn't work |
| 07:36.01 | wols | and forward it to the proper internal IP |
| 07:36.02 | karsten | khnh: What specific ports? 22 and ??? |
| 07:36.06 | khnh | i did forward 22 to my machine |
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| 07:36.17 | Stevie | well then |
| 07:36.21 | Stevie | let's see khnh |
| 07:36.55 | ootput | khnh: be sure the net-facing interface is listening on 22 |
| 07:37.09 | karsten | khnh: If the system in question is the one you're IRCing from, you're blocking ICMP traffic and 22,25,80 all show filtered. |
| 07:37.20 | karsten | wols: Heh. |
| 07:38.19 | Stevie | 20 bas4-toronto12_GE1-0-104.net.bell.ca (64.230.234.38) 37.677 ms 40.074 ms 39.224 ms <- that's as far as I get |
| 07:38.29 | Stevie | I love tcptraceroute |
| 07:38.29 | karsten | Stevie: Yep, same. |
| 07:38.39 | karsten | Stevie: mtr >> you. |
| 07:38.48 | khnh | seem about right |
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| 07:39.25 | Stevie | wow |
| 07:39.28 | Stevie | that's freaking awesome |
| 07:39.55 | Stevie | it also looks a little... pingy |
| 07:39.59 | hcy | karsten: still haven't figured it out. i don't know why it won't install python2.4 |
| 07:40.02 | ootput | ping-happy |
| 07:40.14 | hcy | karsten: apt-get -fs install tells me this: |
| 07:40.17 | ootput | it'd be great if there was a console version of it, though |
| 07:40.30 | Stevie | of what? |
| 07:40.31 | khnh | karsten: how do you unblock ICMP traffic |
| 07:40.34 | hcy | karsten: Inst python [2.3.5-5] (2.4.3-11 Debian:unstable) [] |
| 07:40.34 | Stevie | mtr? |
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| 07:40.49 | ootput | yep, with a similar design |
| 07:40.57 | Stevie | ootput: I don't know what version of mtr you have, but I'm looking at a console window |
| 07:41.06 | Stevie | I'm ssh'd into the box it's running on now |
| 07:41.06 | karsten | khnh: Looks to me as if it's your ISP that's doing the blocking. |
| 07:41.12 | hcy | karsten: Inst python-minimal (2.4.3-11 Debian:unstable) // Conf python-minimal (2.4.3-11 Debian:unstable) // Conf python (2.4.3-11 Debian:unstable) |
| 07:41.18 | ootput | ah, there's a curses option |
| 07:41.19 | karsten | Stevie: mat's traceroute |
| 07:41.26 | hcy | karsten: and then some other stuff |
| 07:41.30 | karsten | Stevie: Get the curses version (mtr-tiny), not the gui. |
| 07:41.47 | karsten | hcy: Post the apt-get output to paster.!tell hcy about paster |
| 07:41.53 | karsten | !tell hcy about paster |
| 07:42.25 | hcy | karsten: ok, thanks |
| 07:42.29 | Stevie | karsten: I have no idea what one I have; when you said "mtr >> you" I just typed mtr into my shell |
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| 07:42.54 | ootput | karsten: i was the one after the curses frontend |
| 07:43.01 | ootput | and yeah, i found mtr-tiny |
| 07:43.02 | khnh | karsten: my lan is behind a dsl modem |
| 07:43.19 | karsten | Stevie: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3660 |
| 07:43.34 | karsten | Stevie: mtr is much better than you ;-) |
| 07:45.24 | Stevie | yes |
| 07:45.26 | Stevie | that's what I have |
| 07:45.29 | Stevie | well |
| 07:45.41 | hcy | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3661 |
| 07:45.44 | Stevie | obviously my traceroute is different, but that's the sort of thing I get when I type 'mtr somehost' |
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| 07:47.15 | jetscreamer | you never tried dselect eh |
| 07:47.20 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 07:47.57 | karsten | Stevie: mtr static terminal grab. It updates continuously. |
| 07:48.11 | karsten | hcy: One sec. |
| 07:48.19 | hcy | karsten: thanks |
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| 07:51.28 | karsten | hcy: Sorry, remote irc session, losing local link |
| 07:51.47 | karsten | hcy: Looks like an issue with python-minimal. |
| 07:52.05 | karsten | hcy: ... which you pretty much need. |
| 07:52.26 | hcy | karsten: so what should i do? |
| 07:52.30 | karsten | hcy: Panic. |
| 07:52.37 | karsten | hcy: And / or drink heavily. |
| 07:52.37 | hcy | karsten: heh, and then? |
| 07:53.02 | karsten | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! python python-minimal |
| 07:53.06 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 07:53.18 | karsten | How do you test package authentication? |
| 07:53.19 | Stevie | he has the old apt, most likely |
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| 07:53.45 | karsten | Stevie: ... and can't update stuff. |
| 07:53.50 | keith | what is the recommended stable filesystem for debian? ext3? |
| 07:53.58 | karsten | hcy: Unfortunatley, apt itself uses python. |
| 07:54.04 | karsten | hcy: ... or is it perl. Hrm. |
| 07:54.08 | karsten | keith: Short answer: yes. |
| 07:54.15 | keith | thanks |
| 07:54.16 | jetscreamer | paste this, and hit enter as soon as you see the menu after dselect install : sudo dselect update && sudo dselect --expert select && sudo dselect install && sudo dselect config && sudo dselect remove && update-menus |
| 07:54.16 | karsten | keith: Long answer: still yes. |
| 07:54.40 | karsten | !beer jetscreamer |
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| 07:54.53 | hcy | jetscreamer: is that for me? |
| 07:54.56 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 07:54.56 | dpkg | hmm... fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 07:54.58 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 07:55.04 | karsten | hcy: Yes. |
| 07:55.10 | hcy | oh, i didn't know that |
| 07:55.23 | karsten | jetscreamer: Name who you're talking at ;-) |
| 07:55.24 | jetscreamer | i hope it works |
| 07:55.30 | karsten | Heh. |
| 07:55.37 | jetscreamer | it won't hurt |
| 07:55.49 | jetscreamer | it will update those 387 packages though |
| 07:55.51 | jetscreamer | be warned |
| 07:55.56 | jetscreamer | if it works |
| 07:56.12 | karsten | "Hey, watch this, y'all!" |
| 07:56.13 | hcy | jetscreamer: which one? yours, or the bot's? |
| 07:56.21 | jetscreamer | they're one and the same |
| 07:56.25 | jetscreamer | two diff methods |
| 07:56.34 | jetscreamer | i made the factoid |
| 07:56.48 | jetscreamer | proven, tested |
| 07:56.55 | jetscreamer | for what it does |
| 07:57.04 | jetscreamer | even when aptitude couldn't cut it |
| 07:57.09 | hcy | jetscreamer: ok, trying it |
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| 07:57.27 | tuv | i didn't know dselect is good for something. i left debian the first time i installed it after i met dselect! |
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| 07:57.44 | merlincorey | woot |
| 07:57.45 | merlincorey | fixed it |
| 07:57.46 | merlincorey | :) |
| 07:57.49 | jetscreamer | the menu is ugly so nobody likes it |
| 07:57.50 | merlincorey | back in X |
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| 07:58.05 | n000b | hi everybody |
| 07:58.14 | jetscreamer | a collapsable treeview would do wonders |
| 07:58.16 | liable | why does udev documentation suck so bad? |
| 07:58.33 | hcy | jetscreamer: i don't think the bot's method did anything, i'll try your long list... question - is it necessary to do them all as sudo? why not just run it all as root? |
| 07:58.40 | jetscreamer | as root is cool |
| 07:58.44 | merlincorey | can any one help me get an x terminal emulator and up the font size? I cannot see this at all :p |
| 07:58.55 | Stevie | collapsible treeview... like aptitude? |
| 07:59.04 | jetscreamer | i have that aliased, i cut and pasted part of it |
| 07:59.06 | merlincorey | I was checking on aterm and best I could figure alt and > was supposed to do it but doesn't |
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| 07:59.12 | n000b | my weekend project is in danger: I can't get 3d acceleration on my intel 945GM |
| 07:59.39 | jetscreamer | i dunno i tried aptitude when it came out |
| 07:59.41 | n000b | anybody having this video adapter? |
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| 07:59.55 | Stevie | best way to accelerate an intel 945gm is at 9.80m/s^2 |
| 08:00.02 | jetscreamer | i noticed later the --with-suggests and --with-recommends directives were gone |
| 08:00.06 | jetscreamer | or one was |
| 08:00.15 | n000b | Stevie: :) |
| 08:00.15 | jetscreamer | i tried em... :( |
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| 08:00.21 | Stevie | ;-) |
| 08:00.29 | liable | when the hell did we get an rc.local file? |
| 08:00.30 | n000b | besides that? |
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| 08:00.54 | tuv | Stevie, depends on your altitude. it may get damaged! |
| 08:01.04 | cunzhang | jetscreamer,modprobe mousedev,say mice:PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 08:01.20 | Stevie | tuv: You're right. You need a sufficiently high altitude for the operation to be successful |
| 08:01.38 | jetscreamer | 317 not upgraded.... hope they're small packages hcy :) |
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| 08:01.50 | merlincorey | what's generally the key combination to cycle through resolutions in X? |
| 08:01.56 | jetscreamer | cunzhang: then it wasn't loaded |
| 08:02.03 | ootput | c-a-+,- |
| 08:02.14 | jetscreamer | cunzhang: you'll need to edit /etc/modules and put the work psmouse in there |
| 08:02.18 | ootput | merlincorey: ^^ |
| 08:02.18 | merlincorey | c = ? |
| 08:02.21 | hcy | jetscreamer: what do i do when it takes me to the dselect main package listing? |
| 08:02.25 | jetscreamer | and mousedev too wouldn't hurt |
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| 08:02.30 | jetscreamer | jsut hit enter hcy |
| 08:02.30 | karsten | liable: because the code isn't written yet |
| 08:02.34 | Stevie | c-a-Numpad . |
| 08:02.40 | fs-a | http://www.linuks. |
| 08:02.43 | karsten | merlincorey: what everyone else said. |
| 08:02.53 | hcy | jetscreamer: and then? |
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| 08:03.01 | jetscreamer | what happened |
| 08:03.03 | hcy | "dselect - recursive package listing" |
| 08:03.14 | merlincorey | :/ |
| 08:03.19 | jetscreamer | a what?? |
| 08:03.25 | merlincorey | it doesn't work for me... ^ and - and + on numpad? |
| 08:03.29 | hcy | it's a curses thing to select or deselect packages, i think |
| 08:03.35 | merlincorey | ^ being control :p |
| 08:03.37 | jetscreamer | hit enter |
| 08:03.45 | jetscreamer | if you see the list of packages |
| 08:03.48 | hcy | enter doesn't do anything |
| 08:03.50 | jetscreamer | just hit enter |
| 08:03.54 | hcy | doesn't do anything |
| 08:03.55 | jetscreamer | ahh.. hit shift+q |
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| 08:04.12 | hcy | shift+q worked |
| 08:04.16 | ootput | merlincorey: try switching res from the commandline |
| 08:04.21 | jetscreamer | it was stuck.. it won't touch those |
| 08:04.34 | jetscreamer | you could uninstall em all.. i can't see what you got though |
| 08:04.41 | jetscreamer | which were they |
| 08:04.43 | jetscreamer | a lot? |
| 08:04.50 | tuv | jetscreamer, is dselect written in c/c++? is it the only apt frontend written in c/c++? |
| 08:04.53 | merlincorey | ootput: how do I request the server change the resolution on the commandline (script/program name?) |
| 08:04.54 | hcy | jetscreamer: "the following packages have unmet dependencise: locales: depends: glibc-2.3.5-3 |
| 08:04.57 | jetscreamer | i don't know |
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| 08:05.09 | karsten | merlincorey: Good question. |
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| 08:05.14 | karsten | merlincorey: xressel? |
| 08:05.43 | hcy | jetscreamer: it didn't work |
| 08:05.43 | jetscreamer | hcy what are you running, etch, sarge, sid, some backport thing? |
| 08:05.48 | merlincorey | I have xrdb and xrefresh |
| 08:05.51 | karsten | merlincorey: wmressel lets you do that via a GUI widget. |
| 08:05.52 | hcy | sid i believe |
| 08:06.00 | merlincorey | geometry in refresh |
| 08:06.03 | jetscreamer | !depends locales |
| 08:06.08 | karsten | merlincorey: Not finding any similar tool cmdline. There's an X scripting toolkit... |
| 08:06.14 | dpkg | locales: depends on glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1, debconf | debconf-2.0 |
| 08:06.27 | jetscreamer | !info glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1 |
| 08:06.29 | liable | hrm, sysvinit fuckage, maybe udev wasnt to blame for my mousedev problem.. |
| 08:06.29 | merlincorey | wmressel will do :) |
| 08:06.34 | merlincorey | setting up now |
| 08:06.37 | merlincorey | updating menus... |
| 08:06.41 | liable | nah, must be udev :P |
| 08:06.53 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.17 | jetscreamer | like the factoid says, if packages exist... |
| 08:07.25 | hcy | jetscreamer: now, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3662 |
| 08:07.52 | merlincorey | cool |
| 08:07.55 | merlincorey | wmressel did alright |
| 08:08.15 | jetscreamer | !info glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1 experimental |
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| 08:08.20 | merlincorey | wow |
| 08:08.27 | merlincorey | this is weird having scrolling desktop :p |
| 08:08.32 | hcy | damn, i gotta go. thanks for trying, i'll be back later |
| 08:08.34 | jetscreamer | does dpkg do incoming? |
| 08:08.39 | ootput | merlincorey: too big, mate |
| 08:08.50 | merlincorey | ootput: I went smaller |
| 08:09.03 | cunzhang | jetscreamer,that's because I don't modprobe mousedev? |
| 08:09.13 | jetscreamer | hcy you need that package for my method to work.. it wil lbe there eventually |
| 08:09.19 | jetscreamer | cunzhang: ? |
| 08:09.21 | liable | jetscreamer: no |
| 08:09.26 | jetscreamer | no? |
| 08:09.31 | liable | incoming |
| 08:09.33 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 08:09.37 | cunzhang | jetscreamer,I still don't know how to do |
| 08:09.51 | jetscreamer | cunzhang: edit /etc/modules and put those words in there |
| 08:09.59 | liable | doesnt even do exp afaik |
| 08:10.16 | jetscreamer | nano -w /etc/modules would work... ctrl + x to exit |
| 08:10.36 | ootput | cunzhang: echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules |
| 08:10.38 | jetscreamer | cunzhang: that will get the modules to load when you restart your computer |
| 08:10.40 | jetscreamer | or that |
| 08:10.45 | jetscreamer | and psmouse |
| 08:10.53 | cunzhang | thank you |
| 08:11.00 | ootput | cat >> /etc/modules |
| 08:13.01 | cunzhang | jetscreamer and ootput,thank you very much :) |
| 08:13.40 | merlincorey | thanks guys |
| 08:13.44 | merlincorey | later :) |
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| 08:13.51 | karsten | merlincorey: xwit |
| 08:13.55 | karsten | Feh. |
| 08:14.01 | karsten | xwit: Description: a collection of simple routines to call some X11 functions |
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| 08:16.42 | jetscreamer | what's the locales sid thing, anyway |
| 08:17.12 | cunzhang | hi,jetscreamer, X still can't work after I restart |
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| 08:17.50 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log paste the results |
| 08:17.52 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 08:17.53 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 08:18.08 | cunzhang | ok |
| 08:18.32 | jetscreamer | unless you're using xfree86 eh |
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| 08:19.00 | cunzhang | I use Xorg |
| 08:19.14 | jetscreamer | less /etc/modules and make sure the module names are there properly |
| 08:19.21 | jetscreamer | also |
| 08:19.51 | cunzhang | jetscreamer,I lsmod and find it. |
| 08:20.03 | jetscreamer | it or them |
| 08:20.13 | jetscreamer | them is good |
| 08:20.30 | jetscreamer | you need both |
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| 08:20.38 | jetscreamer | unless one is compiled in of course |
| 08:21.22 | jetscreamer | lsmod|grep psmouse |
| 08:21.38 | jetscreamer | i don't know how to grep for 2 tings at once |
| 08:21.43 | jetscreamer | :( |
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| 08:23.41 | liable | gah, for such an important goddam thing, why is there no fucking information about udev! |
| 08:23.52 | liable | this is pissing me off |
| 08:23.59 | jetscreamer | #udev ? |
| 08:24.06 | liable | is there? |
| 08:24.11 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 08:24.14 | jetscreamer | worth a shot |
| 08:24.26 | liable | no |
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| 08:24.52 | jetscreamer | some other server then.. oftc? has to be one somewhere |
| 08:25.01 | liable | not on oftc either |
| 08:25.08 | jetscreamer | well so much for that dude |
| 08:25.20 | jetscreamer | cunzhang i mean |
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| 08:27.27 | Halitherses | Hi i am using etch. I just did a apt-get update and now my non-postscript printer is spewing out postscript. In cups I clicked cancel all jobs and have the printer off then back on. The postscript continues to spew out! |
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| 08:28.18 | Halitherses | How can I fix this problem? |
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| 08:29.37 | knirps | What do I need to edit to change my console resolution? |
| 08:29.52 | knirps | (I'm not running X) |
| 08:29.55 | tuv | Halitherses, did you try to restart cups? |
| 08:30.38 | Halitherses | tuv, no, but i will. |
| 08:30.43 | x|e | hmm i was copying a 2 gig file from one dir to another on my box and after like 10 miniutes my whole system froze... when i rebooted i had no /dev/psaux and i had to put mouse support back into the kernel... any idea why this happend? |
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| 08:31.34 | tuv | knirps, you may add vga=<vga-mode> to your kernel line in your boot loader. e.g. vga=791 for 1024x768 |
| 08:31.51 | knirps | tuv. thank you |
| 08:32.14 | tuv | knirps, there is a table for mode numbers and their resolutions in vesafb.txt in the kernel documentation. you can look it up in google |
| 08:32.25 | knirps | ok. thanks a lot |
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| 08:33.07 | tuv | knirps, this is assuming you're using vesafb (the default). otherwise consult the docs for your framebuffer |
| 08:33.31 | knirps | yup. using the default |
| 08:33.53 | knirps | I actually have debian on a 1gb usb stick right now :) |
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| 08:44.08 | Halitherses | tuv, I restarted cups and I rebooted but the job still will not go away? |
| 08:45.00 | tuv | Halitherses, if you rebooted and power-cycled the printer and the job is still there, then it's a supernatural phenomenon! |
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| 08:47.17 | Halitherses | I don't belive in the supernatural. So something must be causing this. Is the a spool directory I can delete somewhere? |
| 08:48.09 | tuv | Halitherses, is it a remote printer (printing from a client different than the machine to which the printer is connected)? |
| 08:49.08 | Halitherses | no it is connected to my pc via a parallel cable. |
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| 08:55.55 | Halitherses | I will try powering down both printer and pc at he same time. - brb |
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| 09:02.38 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:02.38 | dpkg | -dmwaters- {global notice} Hi all! One of our staffer used brackets in a kline, and this caused the servers to crash. We're working on an immediate fix for this problem, and hopefully will have something as soon as possible. I'm very sorry for the interuptions that this has caused, and thank you all for your patience. |
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| 09:04.24 | Halitherses | my printer still won't stop printing! |
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| 09:04.29 | me_here | tell him i too need a rolling Quickie :) |
| 09:04.55 | liable | Halitherses: unplug it. |
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| 09:05.27 | boodie | Hello Hello |
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| 09:07.32 | boodie | KDE doesn't work on my etch (say if I put startkde in the .xsession file), despite all it's applications do, like konqueror and even kdm. I am currently using wmaker |
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| 09:07.54 | me_here | boodie: i'm in etch and using kde, how come ? |
| 09:08.54 | Halitherses | liable, it is not printing now. I have removed the paper. |
| 09:08.58 | liable | i dont believe it, there is *one* guide on the whole intarweb for udev rule.... |
| 09:09.12 | liable | this is insane |
| 09:09.15 | me_here | boodie: afaik startkde is a script on it's own and doesn't belong into a .xsession file |
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| 09:11.52 | boodie | hmmm; my problem is, I like window maker, and I will keep it, but my wife wants something more familiar (= similar to window$ :-P) , therefore I wanted to have wmaker when I log in, and KDE for her |
| 09:12.09 | enouf | liable : in which dir does this rc.local file reside |
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| 09:12.48 | me_here | boodie: set it up in a correct way, kde works in etch :) |
| 09:12.53 | wols | liable: udev itself is insane |
| 09:13.00 | boodie | I am now downloading gnome |
| 09:13.16 | boodie | me_here: how can I set it up? |
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| 09:13.33 | liable | enouf: /etc/rc.local (a file) |
| 09:13.43 | streuner | !rc.local |
| 09:13.43 | dpkg | i guess rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 09:13.47 | cydork | boodie, are you using kdm? or xdm? |
| 09:13.53 | boodie | kdm |
| 09:14.13 | enouf | liable : I don't happen to have that |
| 09:14.19 | valdyn | boodie: gdm has a GUI to pick a session per user |
| 09:14.22 | liable | wols: its kinda cool actually, when it works.. but its infuriating there is no fucking docs for it. read the man pages.. 90% are less than 200 words :/ |
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| 09:14.32 | boodie | but, if I choose KDE in the session type, it reboots |
| 09:14.34 | cydork | boodie, then there is no need to touch xseesion file. you can set that at login menu |
| 09:14.47 | me_here | boodie: you install first either gdm or kdm, and dpkg-reconfigure gdm/kdm then start gdm or kdm with /etc/init.d/gdm(or kdm) start |
| 09:14.48 | liable | enouf: well, its in sids version od sysvinit or initscripts or whatever it comes in.. |
| 09:14.55 | valdyn | boodie: look at ~/.xsession-errors |
| 09:15.10 | boodie | aha; I will |
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| 09:15.39 | wols | liable: it's probably better than all its shitty predecessors, but that's not saying much :) |
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| 09:15.53 | lord_rob | Hi ! After an upgrade on my laptop, my mouse is not detected anymore (hence I can't start X). I suspect another udev problem. What happened recently ? |
| 09:16.09 | delusions__ | lord_rob, modprobe psmouse mousedev |
| 09:16.13 | wols | and the problems so far, outweight its usefullness by a thousand miles, so I won't bother for a while until the dust has settled |
| 09:16.14 | valdyn | boodie: the last line in your ~/.xsession needs to be 'exec startkde' ( for kde ), not just startkde |
| 09:16.52 | boodie | valdyn: like for gnome (exec gnome-session)! |
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| 09:17.12 | lord_rob | delusions__: error, see dmesg (it's an usb mouse, not a ps2 moreover) |
| 09:17.12 | valdyn | boodie: yep |
| 09:17.29 | lord_rob | also my keyboard is now qwerty |
| 09:17.38 | lord_rob | I have an azerty keyboard |
| 09:17.39 | enouf | liable: hmm .. well I'm on a semi-frozen two month old Sid (though updated, not upgraded) and I also have and use rcconf and sysv-rc-conf , so... the only rc.local file here is a reference/link (txt file) to an older lg issue ... you think this rc/local is causing fsckage for you? |
| 09:17.46 | keith | just wondering why mysql 4.1 isnt the stable package for debian |
| 09:17.48 | valdyn | boodie: though you dont really need an ~/.xsession file for issue since you can pick either from the 'global' sessions |
| 09:17.53 | liable | enouf: shrug |
| 09:17.58 | valdyn | s/issue/either |
| 09:18.02 | delusions__ | lord_rob, i just got the same error after upgrade, thought that might help, sorry |
| 09:18.21 | lord_rob | delusions__: no problem ;) thanks for helping |
| 09:18.29 | boodie | thanks a lot |
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| 09:19.23 | liable | enouf: no, thats a totally unrelated thing i only just noted, i have never seen rc.local untill just now |
| 09:20.16 | delusions__ | btw, after upgrading from stable to unstable, i get that error from # apt-get -f install Errors were encountered while processing: mozilla-firefox-locale-tr, any helps would be great |
| 09:20.33 | lord_rob | delusions__: yeah !! thanks for your help. actually you're right. I did "modprobe psmouse mousedev" stupidely I need to probe one then the other |
| 09:20.33 | valdyn | delusions__: why do you use unstable? |
| 09:20.37 | valdyn | !unstable |
| 09:20.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 09:20.39 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 09:20.39 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 09:21.09 | delusions__ | valdyn, thats my computer at home, i had stable and kde 3.3 and did an upgrade |
| 09:21.37 | liable | enouf: the only reason i mentioned it, is cause i have been fucking with udev, and rebooting, and have just noticed a kernel message about it. |
| 09:21.49 | valdyn | delusions__: is there the real error above what you pasted? |
| 09:22.14 | delusions__ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 09:22.37 | valdyn | delusions__: a) debug the failing script b) report a bug |
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| 09:24.08 | cydork | delusions__, the advantages of using sid. You get to debug stuff :) |
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| 09:24.18 | valdyn | delusions__: and check the bts if you havent yet done that |
| 09:24.20 | delusions__ | :) |
| 09:24.36 | delusions__ | bts? |
| 09:24.40 | valdyn | !bts |
| 09:24.40 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 09:24.44 | lord_rob | delusions__: any idea what the failing package could be ? |
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| 09:25.07 | valdyn | lord_rob: /lastlog mozilla |
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| 09:26.44 | delusions__ | wheres the pastebin :D |
| 09:26.50 | cydork | !paster |
| 09:26.50 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 09:26.52 | enouf | liable: right .. and I've just been grepping through all the various /var/log files looking for what I see at startup as well - ie; a /etc/udev/rules.d/xxxx message - it sucks I can't find anything about it now, and it occurs in the boot process just before a fsck.ext3 occurs (set to run every 3 mounts) - and also before bootlog startsup (enabled in /etc/default/bootlogd) |
| 09:27.00 | delusions__ | lord_rob, http://qtnode.net/pastebin/1222 |
| 09:27.58 | liable | enouf: its from initscripts package |
| 09:28.03 | lord_rob | delusions__: what are you using to upgrade your system ? Simple apt-get or aptitude ? |
| 09:28.04 | liable | rc.local.. |
| 09:28.10 | valdyn | delusions__: now that is the whole error, you can probably not do a thing about it |
| 09:28.13 | delusions__ | lord_rob, dselect |
| 09:28.18 | enouf | liable : aye |
| 09:28.54 | liable | enouf: if the last init script i notice, it has nothing to do with udev |
| 09:29.09 | valdyn | delusions__: you should dist-upgrade first, currently your packages are in a messy status between stable and sid |
| 09:29.12 | lord_rob | seems sid is very broken, and not only for me :) I won't upgrade it on this box |
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| 09:29.25 | cydork | liable, rc.local should be empty unless you put something in it |
| 09:29.30 | valdyn | delusions__: and that isnt because sid may be broken but because you are using a mix of sid and sarge |
| 09:29.54 | delusions__ | valdyn, then what was that whole 350mb i downloaded and installed/replaced |
| 09:30.12 | valdyn | delusions__: i dont guess |
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| 09:30.21 | SubStack | armagetron is strangely addictive |
| 09:30.54 | cydork | enouf, what are you looking for? |
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| 09:31.27 | valdyn | delusions__: 'upgrading' to sid is not guaranteed to work, you may need to 'help' with it. |
| 09:31.49 | delusions__ | valdyn, it says dselect always works :D |
| 09:32.01 | valdyn | delusions__: 'it' ? |
| 09:32.09 | liable | cydork: it is.. |
| 09:32.17 | delusions__ | debian upgrade reference |
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| 09:32.34 | delusions__ | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html |
| 09:32.37 | valdyn | delusions__: thats bullshit or taken out of context |
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| 09:33.02 | valdyn | delusions__: i do doubt that any debian manual will support using unstable at all |
| 09:33.02 | liable | cydork: i merely wondered when this was included, i should read initscripts changelog, but i was lazy.. :) |
| 09:33.21 | eegore | Has anyone had issues with the latest version of XORG and AMD NForce chipsets with NVidia video cards? |
| 09:33.37 | delusions__ | valdyn, you're right, but they're right too, it upgraded with no errors :) |
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| 09:33.44 | cydork | liable, hehe :) |
| 09:33.53 | valdyn | delusions__: doesnt mean that it did completely upgrade |
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| 09:34.20 | valdyn | delusions__: if you are upgrading woody to sid, this is worse than i thought |
| 09:34.34 | valdyn | delusions__: or why are you referring to a woody manual ? |
| 09:35.00 | cydork | delusions__, you are upgrading to from?? |
| 09:35.09 | delusions__ | valdyn, i dont know which one you call woody or sid etc. ( sid for unstable only i know is ) i'm a gentoo user |
| 09:35.11 | Swynndla | eegore: I haven't |
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| 09:35.21 | valdyn | !woody |
| 09:35.22 | dpkg | woody is probably the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 was terminated on 2006-06-30 |
| 09:35.24 | valdyn | !etch |
| 09:35.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 09:35.24 | liable | ah, well, two versions ago it seems.. |
| 09:35.28 | valdyn | !sid |
| 09:35.29 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 09:35.33 | valdyn | delusions__: read ^^^ |
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| 09:35.37 | delusions__ | :) ok |
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| 09:35.48 | speedy | anyone uses drbd here? |
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| 09:35.54 | eegore | Swynndla: When I teid using the latest xorg, it would not play nice with my video card |
| 09:36.09 | wols | eegore: define "latest" |
| 09:36.15 | wols | !tell speedy about anyone |
| 09:36.19 | eegore | 10.0 |
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| 09:36.29 | wols | eegore: you're living in the future then |
| 09:36.32 | valdyn | delusions__: to get your system in shape, decide what you want to use ( guess unstable ), paste your sources.list for us to read, run apt-get dist-upgrade and paste errors for us to read. |
| 09:36.32 | enouf | liable : cydork : okie - the rc.local thing is moot then (in liable's situation) -- I'm just curious as well about udev myself and want to know what my /etc/udev/rules.d/... (?) warning is all about - likely it's only a natsemi NIC warning IIRC (then it does load the module successfully), so the warning goes unnoticed for the most part - it's not a problem here, just curious :-) |
| 09:36.41 | wols | in this time period we're at most up to 7. |
| 09:36.44 | wols | 7.1 |
| 09:37.07 | valdyn | delusions__: in any case you offending package may just not work right now, since it seems to be sid |
| 09:37.16 | eegore | I may be wrong on the version number but I rolled it from the xorg site |
| 09:37.37 | eegore | it did not like the NVidia card |
| 09:37.49 | valdyn | eegore: we dont support upstream, use official debian packages |
| 09:37.52 | liable | enouf: fair enouf, my problems are quite unrelated :) |
| 09:38.00 | eegore | I had to purge it out and reload the previous version |
| 09:38.01 | speedy | i'm want to have drbd to replicate 2 nodes of 1.5 terabyte, is it better to make small partition and different resources or put everything in 1 partition to be sync'ed? |
| 09:38.02 | wols | nv or nvidia? |
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| 09:38.23 | eegore | I was trying to get advanced mouse support |
| 09:38.33 | liable | !seen stew |
| 09:38.33 | dpkg | stew is currently on #debian-ops #debian. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 5h 49m 18s, last said: 'happy friday'. |
| 09:38.41 | eegore | for the G7 mouse |
| 09:38.52 | valdyn | eegore: for that you need xorg 6.9 or higher |
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| 09:39.12 | delusions__ | valdyn, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3663 |
| 09:39.31 | eegore | to get all the buttons and the faster sampling rate? |
| 09:39.49 | cydork | enouf, the rules are set by script in rcS.d i guess, i.e. init.d/udev script |
| 09:40.13 | valdyn | delusions__: try 'apt-get install dselect' |
| 09:40.47 | eegore | I was looking for a way to increase my mouse sampling rate |
| 09:40.54 | delusions__ | valdyn, same message |
| 09:41.08 | valdyn | delusions__: i wonder how you managed to remove dselect. |
| 09:41.28 | delusions__ | :) it was a mistake :( |
| 09:41.30 | valdyn | delusions__: go to http://packages.debian.org/, get dselect for unstable and dpkg -i that.deb |
| 09:41.36 | delusions__ | ok |
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| 09:42.24 | valdyn | speedy: better in which sense? speed? |
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| 09:44.04 | speedy | valdyn: lets say if we have many small partition if one resource meta-data corrupted, the others are not affected, so we dont need to do a full sync of 1.5 terabyte which will cost time |
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| 09:44.31 | valdyn | speedy: right |
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| 09:46.28 | speedy | valdyn: thanks valdyn |
| 09:46.31 | enouf | cydork: what's even odder is that /etc/udev/rules.d contains symlinks (0NN and zNN entries) which point to parent /etc/udev - yet I have 2 zNN files that are not linked at all (z25_persistent-net.rules and z25_persistent-cd.rules), but again: not an issue really - thanks - oh.. and yes, the rcS file /etc/rcS.d/S03udev certainly is early in the boot/startup process |
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| 09:46.46 | roxy_ | when I start granule it seg fault instantly. I use unstable. However the testing version of granule is the same on testing and it works without problem on testing. How can I find the real problem ? |
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| 09:47.14 | roxy_ | sorry, the version of granule is the same than the one on unstable. |
| 09:47.45 | roxy_ | I tried: strace granule but can't make anything of the output |
| 09:47.50 | Swynndla | valdyn: why should delusions__ not do 'apt-get -f install' ? |
| 09:47.54 | garo | i vaguely remember that during the installation i choose a mail adress that should receive mails from the system, where can i change this ? |
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| 09:48.35 | lord_rob | delusions__: I think the bug is #386500 according to the wiki |
| 09:48.45 | liable | garo: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 09:48.45 | enouf | cydork: by comparison - /etc/rcS.d/S05bootlogd starts afterwards - only glibc and mountkernfs start prior to udev (atleast as default anyways) |
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| 09:48.57 | delusions__ | now if i try to install dselect, dselect depends on dpkg (>= 1.13.1); however: Version of dpkg on system is 1.10.28. |
| 09:49.23 | lord_rob | do you think it's valuable for a CV to have the skills to be able to fix the mess that could occur in sid ? :) |
| 09:50.04 | valdyn | delusions__: grab both from packages.debian.org, dpkg -i first.deb second.deb |
| 09:50.47 | roxy_ | lord_rob: having patch commited to an important open source project is something I like to see in a CV |
| 09:50.57 | garo | liable: it doesn't ask me... |
| 09:51.06 | valdyn | Swynndla: he already did, its not fixing his issue |
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| 09:51.14 | valdyn | Swynndla: he manually fucked up his system |
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| 09:51.27 | Swynndla | valdyn: ahhh |
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| 09:54.59 | cydork | enouf, yes udev starts early in the boot process. it's obvious |
| 09:55.21 | liable | garo: oh, i misread your question, system mail willl be sent to the first user that you made |
| 09:55.33 | liable | garo: /var/mail/'user' |
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| 09:55.34 | roxy_ | here is "strace granule" http://rafb.net/paste/results/yNr5wU30.html . Does it gives an indication on where is the problem ? |
| 09:55.38 | delusions__ | valdyn, ok i got dselect |
| 09:56.03 | valdyn | delusions__: both packages installed fine? |
| 09:56.04 | liable | garo: you can change that in /etc/aliases if you like |
| 09:56.09 | delusions__ | yes after coreutils |
| 09:56.12 | liable | garo: then run 'newaliases' |
| 09:56.23 | valdyn | delusions__: ok, great, now run 'apt-get upgrade' |
| 09:56.53 | delusions__ | valdyn, same message with the one in pastebin |
| 09:57.24 | valdyn | delusions__: eh? including the PreDepends dselect ? |
| 09:57.29 | delusions__ | no |
| 09:57.32 | delusions__ | its ok |
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| 09:57.43 | delusions__ | rest is same |
| 09:57.58 | valdyn | delusions__: ok, 'apt-get -f install' |
| 09:58.08 | garo | liable: and what if I want to send it to a mailaddress not on the system ? |
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| 09:58.25 | garo | like my_real_mail@gmail.com for example |
| 09:58.29 | roxy_ | Is it possible to ssh -X to host Foo then from there ssh -X to host Bar ? |
| 09:58.40 | valdyn | roxy_: sure |
| 09:58.55 | liable | garo: i dont know actually, i havent ever done that.. |
| 10:00.50 | Swynndla | valdyn: would a full dist-upgrade be better than an upgrade in this case? |
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| 10:00.56 | delusions__ | !pastebin |
| 10:00.56 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
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| 10:01.21 | valdyn | Swynndla: i prefer splitting this into upgrade and dist-upgrade because the easier breaking one ( dist-upgrade ) will in that case deal with less packages |
| 10:01.30 | delusions__ | valdyn, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3664 |
| 10:01.50 | roxy_ | valdyn: I got: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't determine DISPLAY. Aborting. |
| 10:02.28 | valdyn | delusions__ : 'dpkg --purge mozilla-firefox-locale-tr' |
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| 10:03.30 | Swynndla | valdyn: ahhh okay ... I just thought that going from stable to unstable, that just an upgrade would break things? ... as it'll need to sort out inter-related stuff? maybe? |
| 10:04.04 | valdyn | Swynndla: nope |
| 10:04.05 | delusions__ | valdyn, dpkg: error processing mozilla-firefox-locale-tr (--purge):, similar message, i can purge whole mozilla |
| 10:04.11 | delusions__ | :) |
| 10:04.21 | valdyn | delusions__: i need the whole error please |
| 10:04.47 | delusions__ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3665 sorry |
| 10:07.10 | roxy_ | valdyn: I found the command: export DISPLAY:yourhost:0.0 but I don't know what to put as yourhost . |
| 10:08.34 | valdyn | delusions__: try dpkg --purge --force-all mozilla-firefox-local-tr |
| 10:08.36 | valdyn | delusions__: try dpkg --purge --force-all mozilla-firefox-locale-tr |
| 10:08.59 | pyxel | roxy_: export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 |
| 10:08.59 | wols | roxy_: localhost if it's a local X server |
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| 10:09.52 | delusions__ | valdyn, same msg |
| 10:10.46 | roxy_ | wols, pyxel : using localhost gives an error. I ssh -X foo.com then ssh -X bar.com . I think localhost refers to bar.com |
| 10:11.02 | roxy_ | wols, pyxel : I want it displays on my computer |
| 10:11.57 | valdyn | delusions__: ok, ugly, so an ugly fix for you: edit the file var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox-locale-tr.postrm, put 'exit 0' into the line after #!/bin/sh or similar |
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| 10:12.47 | valdyn | delusions__: after that, dpkg --purge mozilla-firefox-locale-tr again |
| 10:13.07 | delusions__ | done |
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| 10:13.18 | Swynndla | roxy_: just curious, doesn ssh -X foo.com then ssh -X bar.com work when bar.com is actually back to your pc? |
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| 10:13.26 | TonyStark | good morning |
| 10:13.40 | valdyn | delusions__: purged successfully? |
| 10:13.41 | klork | hullo all |
| 10:13.44 | delusions__ | valdyn, now i'm doing apt-get -f install |
| 10:13.44 | delusions__ | yes |
| 10:13.51 | klork | anybody, using cedega ? |
| 10:14.01 | valdyn | !tell klork -about ask |
| 10:14.14 | delusions__ | klork, did you get it from cvs |
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| 10:14.44 | klork | delusions__, nope am using cedega 5.1.1 i386 using the deb package on sid |
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| 10:14.51 | TonyStark | I'm having toruble with minicom. I try to establish a connection with 2 usb bluetooth sticks. They are checked and going all right. Fire minicom in two computers, with minicom /dev/rfcomm0 and 115,8,n,1 and I supposed it was to tart to type, but it happnes nothing... what should I do? |
| 10:15.11 | delusions__ | klork, is it in repositery |
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| 10:15.26 | klork | lemme check |
| 10:15.32 | delusions__ | where did you get the deb package ? |
| 10:15.50 | valdyn | delusions__: proprietary software from pirate sites or the vendor. |
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| 10:16.06 | delusions__ | valdyn, thanks for help, now it seems working, i'm installing some packages i needed |
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| 10:16.19 | klork | delusions__, from a friend |
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| 10:16.24 | roxy_ | Swynndla: foo.com is the bridge from outside to my works intranet. I am not allowed to ssh from foo.com to the internet. |
| 10:16.24 | pmv | good day |
| 10:16.34 | delusions__ | ok, i got strange errors while trying to compile from cvs |
| 10:16.44 | pmv | Anyone know of minimal httpd that supports mod_php? |
| 10:17.03 | valdyn | klork: why dont you ask your real question? |
| 10:17.50 | klork | ya, actually am getting errors when trying to play a game dunno if i have installed it correct.... i paste the errors on pastebin |
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| 10:20.00 | pmv | anyone? |
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| 10:20.35 | StuckMojo | is there anyone doing legacy support of woody? |
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| 10:21.22 | klork | klork, voila the error fixed itself and the game came up :) dunno how thankee guys the channel seems magical |
| 10:21.37 | phil0u | hello |
| 10:22.13 | phil0u | do people have trouble with GAIM and Jabber with SSL : it keeps freezing , with "gnutls : handshaking" in the debug log |
| 10:22.48 | Swynndla | roxy_: I went from pcA: ssh pcB -X then ssh pcA -X then ssh pcB -X then ssh localhost -X then xclock ... it works just fine |
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| 10:25.45 | StuckMojo | no one? hmm...i had thought some poeple had taken it on themselves to support potato way past it's end of life date... |
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| 10:26.40 | veleno | trying to remove a defected package, i get this error: http://rafb.net/paste/results/gmu8Q826.html . what can i do ? |
| 10:26.55 | roxy_ | Swynndla: I got a fatal error doing the same thing |
| 10:27.52 | Swynndla | roxy_: I not sure that I can help, but at least you know it should work (in -X through multiple hops) |
| 10:28.37 | DaBlade | StuckMojo: What are you on about? |
| 10:28.40 | roxy_ | Swynndla: just thought of one thing. The bridge doesn't have X. could ssh -X to it, and the ssh -X from it still work. |
| 10:28.47 | lord_rob | wouhou my laptop boots normally again :). sysvinit was broken, thanks for the wiki ;) |
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| 10:29.20 | StuckMojo | DaBlade: i was hoping there were some people that were continuing to do security patches for woody |
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| 10:29.22 | pmv | Anyone here run into trouble getting Intel NICs working after coming out of suspend-to-disk? |
| 10:29.45 | DaBlade | StuckMojo: Aha. |
| 10:29.49 | StuckMojo | i mean to upgrade to sarge but right now is not a good time. my woody box runs bind and there's an advisery that just came out |
| 10:29.50 | DaBlade | StuckMojo: Can't help you there buddy. |
| 10:29.50 | Swynndla | roxy_: oh ... that may not ... but you can do a cunning port forwarding through ssh to get around that |
| 10:30.12 | StuckMojo | DaBlade: am i wrong in thinking i remember some folks doing it for potato? |
| 10:30.27 | StuckMojo | or whatever was one back from woody |
| 10:30.29 | pmv | It reloads the module alright, but the NIC becomes flaky. |
| 10:30.54 | DaBlade | StuckMojo: I don't even know what you mean by potato, unless you actually mean the plant, but I find that unlikely. |
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| 10:31.29 | StuckMojo | i forget the code name for the release before woody |
| 10:31.34 | StuckMojo | thought it was potato |
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| 10:31.54 | me_here | if all else fails do a potate salad lol |
| 10:32.02 | DaBlade | StuckMojo: I started using Debian as of Etch |
| 10:32.07 | DaBlade | StuckMojo: So I wouldn't know. |
| 10:32.38 | StuckMojo | ah |
| 10:32.45 | roxy_ | Swynndla: is that possible without being root ? I am not an admin on the bridge. |
| 10:32.46 | StuckMojo | i started right before woody released |
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| 10:33.21 | Swynndla | roxy_: if the bridge allows port forwarding then you don't hav eto be root afaik |
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| 10:34.13 | StuckMojo | hmm...well i might be ok here. a default configure of the current bind9 source from isc built ok on the box |
| 10:34.37 | roxy_ | Swynndla: thanks, I'll have a look into it. |
| 10:34.45 | Swynndla | roxy_: try doing this ... |
| 10:34.52 | Swynndla | roxy_: hang on a min ... |
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| 10:36.17 | Swynndla | roxy_: on one shell window: ssh -L 22222:pcB:22 pcA -X ... then on another shell window: ssh localhost -p 22222 -X |
| 10:36.44 | Swynndla | roxy_: ie both shell window commands on the pc you're on now |
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| 10:37.33 | Swynndla | roxy_: one is to set up the ssh tunnel, and the other will use the 1st tunnel to ssh through directly to pcB |
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| 10:37.36 | volt3r | hi, i have debian stable, how can i install just one package from testing? |
| 10:38.00 | stoned | hmm |
| 10:38.03 | stoned | you don't want to |
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| 10:38.11 | stoned | this is why |
| 10:38.12 | epsilon | which package? |
| 10:38.14 | stoned | !downgrade |
| 10:38.14 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. But you can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 10:38.18 | stoned | plus you can backport from sid |
| 10:38.22 | stoned | !backports |
| 10:38.22 | dpkg | backports is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 10:38.50 | roxy_ | Swynndla: nice |
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| 10:39.09 | stoned | you don't want to mix testing packages with sarge, it is highly UN recommended |
| 10:39.23 | stoned | if there were such a word |
| 10:39.48 | Swynndla | roxy_: it works for me, but I'm not sure if it'll get around your issue, if not then I'm sure that an even more tunnel could be set up (if only I knew how) |
| 10:41.00 | garo | Will I get into trouble if i remove exim ? |
| 10:41.18 | epsilon | stoned: don't be so dramatical, singel unimportant package can be backported and compiled without breaking sarge |
| 10:41.44 | stoned | <stoned> !backports |
| 10:41.52 | stoned | maybe you could pay a tab bit more attention |
| 10:41.56 | stoned | tad* |
| 10:43.48 | Swynndla | garo, I won't tell anyone |
| 10:44.40 | garo | :) |
| 10:45.10 | Swynndla | garo: but I'd guess that it'd just mean that you wouldn't get any mails |
| 10:45.27 | valdyn | !why do I need an MTA |
| 10:45.36 | garo | what will happen with the mails from the system ? |
| 10:45.39 | valdyn | !why an MTA |
| 10:45.39 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. |
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| 10:46.38 | stoned | !nullmailer |
| 10:46.38 | dpkg | [nullmailer] a minimal mta for hosts which just send directly to smart relays and is at http://em.ca/~bruceg/nullmailer/ |
| 10:46.44 | TonyStark | I'm having toruble with minicom. I try to establish a connection with 2 usb bluetooth sticks. They are checked and going all right. Fire minicom in two computers, with minicom /dev/rfcomm0 and 115,8,n,1 and I supposed it was to tart to type, but it happnes nothing... what should I do? |
| 10:46.52 | Swynndla | garo: I think the messages would still be ready to sent, but that the system wouldn't be able to send them ... and you wouldn't be told about important messages, yes |
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| 10:47.34 | mifritscher | hi |
| 10:47.41 | RichiH_rescue | dpkg seems to be borked right now, can anyone please do apt-file find boot.img.gz? |
| 10:47.47 | Swynndla | garo: I don't think it'd break your system, but I can't be sure, it's just that I saw a box once without it |
| 10:47.51 | RichiH_rescue | dpkg, the bot, that is |
| 10:48.01 | mifritscher | is there a way to get apt-get quicker on a Psion with 36 Mhz? |
| 10:49.16 | RichiH_rescue | hrm, forget it, i was too stupid to read |
| 10:49.33 | Swynndla | garo: why do you want to remove it? |
| 10:49.42 | garo | security |
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| 10:53.34 | metellius | my xine engine has just suddenly stopped accepting mp3 files and I don't understand why. anyone else experienced this? running sid on amd64 |
| 10:53.55 | fasta | I use gdm. The login screen is shown is the wrong resolution as only part of what should be visible is visible. How can I fix that? |
| 10:54.08 | roxy_ | Swynndla: I manage to connect directly using tunnel . Thanks for your help. time for lunch :-) |
| 10:54.21 | Swynndla | roxy_: nice :) |
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| 10:56.53 | metellius | any quick command I can use to check what dynamic libraries an executable accesses? |
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| 11:02.06 | pippijn | hi all |
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| 11:02.21 | pippijn | in what package are the standard C man pages |
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| 11:02.29 | pippijn | e.g. strlen |
| 11:02.42 | valdyn | metellius: ldd /path/to/binary |
| 11:03.24 | jvm | heyho. i tried to setup an encrypted container with loop-aes, but /dev/loop0 doesn't exist. do i've to load a kernel module or something? |
| 11:03.40 | valdyn | jvm: modprobe loop |
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| 11:04.25 | jvm | valdyn: thanks...you're right |
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| 11:08.52 | garo | !dc_readhost |
| 11:09.02 | liable | eh? |
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| 11:09.35 | garo | it's something in the exim-conffile that i don't know |
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| 11:09.46 | garo | i was hoping that the bot was smarter then me |
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| 11:13.17 | enouf | garo: apparently, neither does the exim4 man pages |
| 11:14.34 | jvm | when i run "losetup -e AES256 /dev/loop0 secret-container" i get "ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: invalid argument" - why? |
| 11:15.08 | enouf | garo: try /usr/share/doc/exim4-doc-html/html/index.html |
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| 11:15.59 | enouf | jvm: need to specify a mount point ? |
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| 11:18.54 | jvm | enouf: no. with losetup i configure the container in which the data is saved, but i mount as usual with the "mount" command after the container is configured. or not? |
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| 11:21.57 | enouf | jvm: I've only tried it once awhile back - but read man losetup - it appears, on quick perusal, I'm mistaken |
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| 11:24.42 | jvm | thanks enouf. bye. |
| 11:25.50 | enouf | jvm: have you also (may need) modprobe aes and modprobe cryptoloop ? see linuxgazette issue 109 author "chirico" (if lg is installed, then just /usr/share/doc/lg/109/chirico.html) - more info here too; http://loop-aes.sourceforge.net/loop-AES.README |
| 11:27.46 | nvz | I hate when that happens |
| 11:28.02 | nvz | wtf do people leave anyway :P |
| 11:28.25 | karsten | nvz: can't afford rent? |
| 11:28.40 | enouf | nvz: thanks for the sentiments |
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| 11:29.04 | nvz | I am serious.. its not like they have something better to do |
| 11:29.37 | enouf | nvz: such is life/culture - impatience abounds :-( |
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| 11:30.37 | nvz | takes little patience for me to walk away and leave my client running |
| 11:31.25 | nvz | I am sooo tired wtf am I doing here |
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| 11:31.53 | enouf | nvz: it seems directly proportionately squared to the amt of garbage and wasted time that our culture exudes (pukes up) and that other daily mundane anmd frustrating issues consume |
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| 11:32.16 | JJ|Laptop | anyone know of a map program that i can use to highlight points, roads, portions of roads, and adresses? |
| 11:32.20 | enouf | nvz: hehe |
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| 11:33.02 | nvz | enouf: duh, um, *smacks his lips together and sticks out his tounge and drools* what? |
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| 11:33.21 | enouf | nvz: i know -- just rearrange the wording :-p |
| 11:33.27 | nvz | I dont need your flistostopical gibber jabber |
| 11:33.37 | enouf | flip=flpper |
| 11:34.07 | enouf | is a flip-flapper jabberwocky* |
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| 11:34.24 | nvz | enouf: yeah? and your momma drives a firetruck |
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| 11:35.27 | nvz | with clown shoes on and ronald mc donald bobble head dolls in the window |
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| 11:36.11 | enouf | nvz : wtf with the 'yo momma' jokage ? - bedsides everyone knows your momma wears combat boots |
| 11:36.18 | nvz | heh |
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| 11:36.23 | enouf | :-) |
| 11:37.24 | nvz | and she drives a jeep with three yellow zebras in the back seat too |
| 11:37.39 | nvz | people never even pay attention to the combat boots |
| 11:38.38 | wols | they're busy calling PETA cause of the zebras? |
| 11:39.31 | nvz | not unless they want a size 12 womens combat boot stomping a mudhole in their narrle ass |
| 11:39.41 | enouf | nvz: that's enough mescaline and peyote bud for you! no more ... ok ? |
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| 11:43.40 | nvz | enouf: then what am I gonna put in my bong? |
| 11:44.11 | enouf | nvz : ask stoned - he's got the good shit - (or so he says) |
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| 11:45.29 | nvz | he smokes bongs of ass hair, and plays poker with tarot cards on his ouiji board |
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| 11:45.36 | nvz | so what does he know |
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| 11:46.51 | wols | well, if you're stoned enough, even oregano feels like best jamaican mary jane |
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| 11:47.19 | nvz | yeah well in all serious now, I dont have a bong, and wtf did my papers go |
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| 11:49.30 | enouf | nvz : when smoke appears ...slow down |
| 11:50.11 | nvz | AHA! I knew it.. I had all my reciepts since like may out on my table yesturday looking for a way to get some money.. and I must have tossed them back in the bag with my papers |
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| 11:51.02 | nvz | I made like $7.66 returning some electrical supplies back to lowes :P |
| 11:51.26 | nvz | I was rich there for a minute |
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| 11:53.50 | karsten | JJ|Laptop: Possibly GRASS? You're looking for a GIS. |
| 11:54.14 | nvz | Grass Ignition System (GIS) |
| 11:54.15 | karsten | JJ|Laptop: ... though I suspect grass itself is overkill. |
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| 11:56.27 | marco_ | How do I start GDM in an Xnest window? |
| 11:56.53 | JJ|Laptop | lol |
| 11:56.57 | JJ|Laptop | Grass Ignition System |
| 11:57.21 | karsten | marco_: Prolly need to add that display to the config file. |
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| 11:57.33 | karsten | marco_: You want gdm or just a running GNOME session? |
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| 11:58.00 | marco_ | karsten, I just want gdm |
| 11:58.11 | karsten | marco_: You should also be able to launch it with an appropriate DISPLAY value. |
| 11:58.23 | karsten | marco_: Try: DISPLAY=:1 gdm |
| 11:58.52 | karsten | marco_: Otherwise, RTFM ;-) |
| 12:00.14 | valdyn | marco_: gdmflexiserver --xnest |
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| 12:00.47 | marco_ | thanks |
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| 12:02.55 | MaMuTXo | hi |
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| 12:03.05 | DaBlade | hi MaMuTXo |
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| 12:10.20 | fasta | I use gdm. The login screen is shown is the wrong resolution as only part of what should be visible is visible. How can I fix that? |
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| 12:11.23 | veleno | i'm having this problem using gnupod-tools to recover my ipod files: http://rafb.net/paste/results/fdTOjf86.html |
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| 12:11.56 | cast | hey guys, i run a sarge system. but want python2.4-scipy from etch. setting up /etc/sources.list properly, running aptitude update then aptitude -t testing install python2.4-scipy fails to result in the etch version being installed. any ideas? |
| 12:14.00 | dendrite | cast: Trying to mix sarge and etch can make a big mess. Consider using backports? |
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| 12:14.19 | theclaw | hi |
| 12:14.38 | theclaw | whats the name of the cdrecord fork? |
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| 12:15.38 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just plugged a SiPiX webcam into my USB port. How can I tell whether Debian found and installed the software automatically? |
| 12:15.45 | Jemt | I'm using kernel 2.6.16-2 |
| 12:16.19 | Braindead | theclaw: wodim |
| 12:16.22 | cast | dendrite: hmm, unfortunately it's not in backports.org |
| 12:16.27 | Blissex | Jemt: well, look for some the Video4Linux program to see if it works. |
| 12:16.31 | cast | maybe i should just move up to an etch system? |
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| 12:16.49 | dendrite | theclaw: cdrkit? I seem to remember hearing another name... |
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| 12:17.21 | Jemt | Blissex: I need to know if it is installed first. |
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| 12:17.27 | dendrite | cast: Moving to etch is a possibility, if you can countenance running on "testing" system. |
| 12:17.42 | Blissex | Jemt: if it is installed it works, else it won't :-). |
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| 12:17.59 | Blissex | Jemt: ''installed'' for a webcam means 'Video4Linux is installed''. |
| 12:18.24 | Jemt | Well, /dev/video0 is not present. So I quess it is not installed |
| 12:18.40 | minerale | does anyone here know how to construct a spf record? |
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| 12:19.07 | cast | dendrite: looks like it'll be the quickest way :\ |
| 12:19.19 | cast | anyone know a timeframe of when etch will be frozen? |
| 12:19.44 | infernix | when it's time |
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| 12:21.21 | Braindead | cast: etch is *supposed* to get out on december |
| 12:21.31 | dendrite | theclaw: debburn? /j -oftc #debburn |
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| 12:24.43 | theclaw | dendrite: thanks |
| 12:24.55 | theclaw | Braindead: yep, that was the name i didn't remeber, thx! |
| 12:24.57 | theclaw | +m |
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| 12:29.24 | veleno | in dmesg i see: FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sda2) (it's a mini-ipod plugged..) ...how can I restore it ? |
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| 12:30.04 | cast | i know. |
| 12:30.12 | fasta | veleno: I would panic too if someone plugged an ipod in me. ;) |
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| 12:30.17 | cast | what if i create a chroot environment and run a copy of etch in there? |
| 12:30.20 | cast | good idea or shitty one? |
| 12:31.16 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:31.56 | dendrite | cast: qemu might be an option, or some other virtual machine approach. |
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| 12:37.20 | Xteven | hi |
| 12:37.57 | Xteven | can I somehow put another kernel on a debian install cd ? my system is so new that it needs a newer kernel to even boot from a cd |
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| 12:38.57 | valdyn | !custom di |
| 12:39.00 | valdyn | !custom d-i |
| 12:39.00 | dpkg | well, custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 12:39.11 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 12:39.11 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 12:40.05 | Xteven | hmm |
| 12:40.08 | Xteven | ok thx |
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| 12:44.35 | skyweb | i'll install linux to XScale PXA272 processor, have someone some links to distro for me? |
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| 12:45.42 | tuv | skyweb, does it have a cdrom? there is d-i for arm |
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| 12:46.26 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:46.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 12:47.19 | ucast | sorry. box froze. then i booted into ubuntu :| |
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| 12:47.57 | ucast | hmm, which also has an old version of scipy |
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| 12:48.19 | RichiH | the debian installer howto clearly states that there should be a boot.img.gz on the full install disk |
| 12:48.23 | RichiH | which is not the case |
| 12:48.33 | RichiH | so, where do i get it? |
| 12:49.02 | skyweb | tuv: it's a arm processor (xscale) |
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| 12:49.24 | tuv | skyweb, that's what i said :) |
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| 12:49.41 | skyweb | tuv: cdrom? |
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| 12:50.39 | tuv | skyweb, well i don't know which kind of machine it is. arm has wide range of machines |
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| 12:52.34 | tuv | skyweb, or why is there an arm d-i cd image? |
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| 12:56.43 | Malagmyr | How can I disable DMA for a single drive? I've tried turning it off with hdparm, but it gets turned on again at boot time and generates lots of errors during boot. I want to use that old piece of shit... |
| 12:57.00 | Malagmyr | s/errors/warnings/ |
| 12:57.15 | tuv | Malagmyr, /etc/default/hdparm |
| 12:58.00 | tuv | Malagmyr, or /etc/hdparm.conf |
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| 13:01.16 | PepperBob | erm.. sry for this stupid question - but it seems i am too dump to start an x server using xfree86... there is no startx, is there? |
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| 13:02.24 | Malagmyr | tuv: yay! |
| 13:03.53 | wols | PepperBob: there is a startx |
| 13:04.05 | wols | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 13:04.16 | PepperBob | wols: thanks.. then i guess i forgot to apt .. yes. thanks! |
| 13:04.20 | cast | !tell cast about backports |
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| 13:08.23 | bintut | anyone here can help me how to setup a partitial mirror? or, can point me to a good documentation on how to setup a partitial mirror? |
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| 13:15.18 | cast | heh. building my own numpy and scipy turned out to be trivial :> |
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| 13:20.39 | dermoth | Hi there. I have a debian source package, need some help making a compiled package from it... |
| 13:22.46 | tarzeau | dermoth: debuild |
| 13:22.51 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 13:22.51 | dpkg | < hp_omnifook_2000> sry, i'm still windows-dumb |
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| 13:26.02 | tuv | tarzeau, doesn't that mean he is dumb at matters of windows? what's he good at then? |
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| 13:26.22 | john_doe | what command line tool can I use to squeeze pdf files, so that I'll get for pages on each? |
| 13:26.29 | tarzeau | tuv: i think it's a german speaking guy, from the english errors he made |
| 13:26.41 | ttl- | i have a printing problem using debian etch |
| 13:26.50 | tarzeau | tuv: the - is typical, also in german language there's "noun dumbness" |
| 13:27.00 | ttl- | i cant print on the command line with the lpr comman |
| 13:27.02 | tarzeau | tuv: it's just very bad english, and he meant something different |
| 13:27.32 | ttl- | printer (hp laserjet 4100) is installed in cup and works fine with most apps |
| 13:27.42 | valdyn | ttl-: dpkg -S $(which lpr) |
| 13:28.06 | ttl- | lpr gives lpr: lp: unknown printer |
| 13:28.29 | ttl- | and giving printer name with -P option gives no error and no print |
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| 13:29.11 | ttl- | valdyn: lpr: /usr/bin/lpr |
| 13:29.23 | valdyn | ttl-: apt-get install cupsys-bsd |
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| 13:30.28 | ttl- | valdyn: lpr: Quota limit reached. |
| 13:30.37 | tuv | john_doe, try pdftk. not sure about your particular request, but it can do similar things |
| 13:30.37 | ttl- | when trying to print |
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| 13:30.55 | valdyn | ttl-: out of disk space? |
| 13:31.01 | cbr|pwned | is it normal that with the current sid i cant boot my computer? |
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| 13:31.36 | ttl- | valdyn: /dev/hda5 37G 23G 13G 65% / |
| 13:31.39 | cbr|pwned | it fails with some device nodes |
| 13:31.41 | cbr|pwned | so i blame udev |
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| 13:31.45 | cbr|pwned | is that likely? |
| 13:31.53 | valdyn | ttl-: did you set up disk quotas? df has nothing to do with it. |
| 13:32.07 | ttl- | valdyn: no |
| 13:32.33 | john_doe | tuv: thank you |
| 13:32.37 | dermoth | tarzeau, Uning Ubuntu here, looks like debuild doesn't come with ubuntu... I have instruction for the complete task from the original source package, but I have .diff.gz, .dsc and .orig.tar.gz. I'm just not sure how should I start from there. |
| 13:32.39 | tuv | valdyn, or maybe cups print quota |
| 13:32.53 | ttl- | valdyn: no disk quatas |
| 13:32.54 | valdyn | tuv: maybe, i know nothing about it |
| 13:33.01 | ttl- | quotas* |
| 13:33.14 | tuv | valdyn, neither do i. i just know it's there |
| 13:33.43 | dermoth | tarzeau, I looked at this guide: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/index.en.html |
| 13:34.10 | ttl- | valdyn: i didn't as root but works as normal user |
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| 13:34.51 | valdyn | dermoth: dpkg-source -x file.dsc |
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| 13:38.14 | dermoth | thx valfyn, looks like this is what I needed |
| 13:38.21 | dermoth | valdyn |
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| 13:48.21 | cbr | k, dont install udev 0.100 |
| 13:48.30 | cbr | it will fuck up your system |
| 13:48.44 | cbr | returned back to 0.98, now everything works |
| 13:49.10 | cast | cbr: wow. were's .ee? |
| 13:49.26 | cbr | in north-eastern europe |
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| 13:49.47 | cast | what country? |
| 13:49.51 | cbr | estonia |
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| 13:57.55 | PepperBob | is anyone using xfce? |
| 13:58.04 | hcy | I |
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| 13:58.39 | PepperBob | is there a gtk based im messenger? |
| 13:58.54 | hcy | Gaim |
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| 13:59.26 | PepperBob | oh damnit.. right - thought it was kde stuff ;) thanks |
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| 14:05.12 | cast | PepperBob: there's gajim! :> |
| 14:05.28 | cast | PepperBob: hmm, thats gtk+ |
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| 14:07.58 | roxy_ | when doing "quota -uv foo" , What are the last 3 columns ? |
| 14:08.35 | roxy_ | I can't find anything in the man page :( |
| 14:09.25 | k-man_ | when i run some graphic intense programs, i get a message that they are unable to open DRM |
| 14:09.40 | k-man_ | but if i run it as root it works |
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| 14:09.57 | k-man_ | do i have to do something special to let users access drm? |
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| 14:10.14 | PepperBob | cast: never heard of that.. maybe i'll try that later. sounds like a gaim clone... |
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| 14:10.56 | tuv | PepperBob, it says it's jabber client. maybe it doesn't support the other networks |
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| 14:11.11 | cast | it is a jabber client :> |
| 14:11.14 | PepperBob | tuv: though gaim support jabber too... |
| 14:11.18 | Braindead | k-man_: define "graphic intense programs" anyway |
| 14:11.21 | tuv | PepperBob, right |
| 14:11.23 | PepperBob | oh i see.. |
| 14:11.24 | cast | gaim doesn't properly support jabber unfortunately |
| 14:11.41 | k-man_ | neverball |
| 14:11.42 | garo | k-man_: try bitlbee |
| 14:11.44 | PepperBob | brb |
| 14:11.51 | k-man_ | bitlbee? |
| 14:12.01 | garo | it's not graphics intensive, and it has all im-code from gaim |
| 14:12.21 | veleno | anyone has any idea about what is happening to my ipod: http://rafb.net/paste/results/CibrXj92.html ? |
| 14:12.29 | garo | it's a msn/yahoo/jabber/.. to irc gateway |
| 14:12.35 | garo | in other words: |
| 14:12.47 | tuv | k-man_, do you have the following in your xorg.conf: |
| 14:12.49 | tuv | Section "DRI" |
| 14:12.49 | tuv | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.49 | tuv | EndSection |
| 14:12.57 | k-man_ | tuv, i have that section |
| 14:13.06 | garo | it's a irc server, so you just connect to it with your irc client |
| 14:13.38 | tuv | k-man_, not sure if it makes any difference, but is your user in the video group? |
| 14:13.40 | garo | and you can talk to everyone on jabber and all the other im-networks |
| 14:14.00 | k-man_ | tuv, no |
| 14:14.01 | garo | http://bitlbee.org/main.php/screenshots.html |
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| 14:14.29 | cast | fwiw a jabber user can IM all other networks via the use of transports :> |
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| 14:15.06 | garo | you can try it by connecting to one of the public servers, for example im.bitlbee.org |
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| 14:16.14 | garo | after connecting 'root' will come talk to you, just type 'help quickstart' and you can start |
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| 14:17.31 | garo | Do the runlevels 2 to 5 each have a specific purpose ? |
| 14:17.40 | Charminthemoose | in the network install cdrom are router drivers etc included? |
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| 14:18.10 | tuv | garo, they are identical by default in debian. but you can customize each of them |
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| 14:19.00 | tuv | Charminthemoose, network install installs a complete kernel, so yes if the drivers exist |
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| 14:19.13 | garo | but they have no default purpose. Some distros take, as example, 5 for x |
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| 14:19.23 | mrbrdo | hello |
| 14:19.42 | garo | the debian packages treat them equally ? |
| 14:19.42 | mrbrdo | can you install kfreebsd from net or you must use the files on the cd? (when installing via the freebsd installation menus) |
| 14:20.12 | mrbrdo | what i mean is, can i select a freebsd ftp server as the installation media or must i use the cd' |
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| 14:21.15 | Charminthemoose | would a 4.58GB harddrive be good for installing debian on? |
| 14:21.20 | garo | When i look at inittab, I see that runlevels 4 and 5 only start 1 tty |
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| 14:24.12 | rhsanborn | Is there a command to see which /dev/ devices are currently connecteD? |
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| 14:24.22 | rhsanborn | I'm having trouble getting a usb flash drive to mount |
| 14:24.24 | Charminthemoose | would a 4.58GB harddrive be good for installing debian on? |
| 14:24.29 | asg | Charminthemoose: of course |
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| 14:25.06 | garo | Charminthemoose: i have a debian < 500mb here |
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| 14:25.39 | GuBA | anibal, hello Mr. |
| 14:25.52 | Charminthemoose | coolies |
| 14:26.12 | garo | rhsanborn: use a script to check the returnvalue of 'mount /dev/something' |
| 14:26.34 | rhsanborn | Hrm cat /proc/partitions .... no /dev/sda anything...I've had trouble in the past with usb_storage not loading, but lsmod shows uhci_hcd, usb_storage and usbcore |
| 14:26.53 | stoned | !diminished |
| 14:27.12 | Ryushin | Is there a ftponly shell in debian? |
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| 14:27.28 | asg | Ryushin: most ftpds will support chrooting in some form or other. |
| 14:27.43 | Charminthemoose | just one more question:Is it possible for me to boot the netowrk iso file from my fat32 partition to install debian on my /dev/hda2? |
| 14:27.44 | stoned | i know vsftpd does |
| 14:27.55 | stoned | only one I've ever personally used |
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| 14:28.02 | stoned | asg, whats up |
| 14:28.10 | Ryushin | I'm using vsftpd. |
| 14:28.11 | asg | stoned: hiya, not much. You? |
| 14:28.16 | stoned | just woke up |
| 14:28.20 | Ryushin | The only problem is that ssl doesn't worth with virtual users. |
| 14:28.20 | stoned | and pissed off |
| 14:28.38 | garo | rhsanborn: cd /dev/ ; for a in * ; do mount $a /mnt/floppy ; echo $? ; done > /somewhere/the-output |
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| 14:28.47 | Ryushin | So I wanted to put a ftponly shell for local users account in /etc/passwd. |
| 14:28.49 | stoned | asg, I'm not down with the roommate situation. Its too much bullshit to deal with, but I need it for the financial purposes |
| 14:28.59 | garo | rhsanborn: this will try to mount devices that are not meant for mounting |
| 14:29.11 | Ryushin | apt-file search ftponly doesn't give me any results. |
| 14:29.15 | asg | stoned: ah, the roomie thing can go both ways; 'tis hard to find a good one. |
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| 14:29.32 | garo | rhsanborn: i can't guarantee that it won't completely destroy you system |
| 14:29.45 | stoned | asg, hes cool as shit, nice guy, black, but the whitest black dude I've ever met. Likes a lot of heavy metal, not much rap, but hiphop |
| 14:29.45 | rhsanborn | garo, comforting |
| 14:29.54 | garo | rhsanborn: and i forgot to unmount |
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| 14:30.12 | garo | rhsanborn: cd /dev/ ; for a in * ; do mount $a /mnt/floppy ; echo $? ; umount $a ; done > /somewhere/the-output |
| 14:30.13 | stoned | asg, the problem is, he works graveyards, while I work 7am-4pm, and when I come home from work, I can't even jam out, or play loud music |
| 14:30.14 | asg | stoned: :) |
| 14:30.18 | stoned | cuz he is usually asleep |
| 14:30.40 | asg | stoned: yeah, my next door neighbors do graveyard. |
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| 14:30.47 | rhsanborn | whats the command to monitor kernel messages? |
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| 14:30.55 | garo | rhsanborn: dmesg |
| 14:31.06 | rhsanborn | nm, flash drive just popped up...automatically...only took 15 minutes... |
| 14:31.12 | Charminthemoose | just one more question:Is it possible for me to boot the netowrk iso file from my fat32 partition to install debian on my /dev/hda2? |
| 14:31.21 | stoned | asg, I'm supposed to go to work at noon today, 2.5 hours from now, but I'm smoking a joint and drinking a beer |
| 14:31.38 | asg | stoned: now, that's how to start a day off right |
| 14:31.45 | stoned | lol, word man! |
| 14:31.57 | stoned | Charminthemoose, yes |
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| 14:32.22 | stoned | Charminthemoose, I don't, well I can't remember exactly, but check sections 4 & 5 of the debian install guide, /msg dpkg install guide |
| 14:32.26 | stoned | darn |
| 14:32.57 | garo | rhsanborn: don't lie to me, man ! You're just terrified of the results of my commands! :) |
| 14:33.15 | rhsanborn | garo, lol :P Indeed I am, but it really did pop up |
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| 14:34.00 | stoned | asg, I don't have to go to work. But on monday, training is over and we start proper. I wanted to go in and organize my "cubicle" and put up pictures of weed leaves |
| 14:34.02 | stoned | j/k |
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| 14:34.09 | stoned | need to organize my desk |
| 14:34.30 | stoned | I'm gonna go in for an hour or two and get my shit done |
| 14:35.06 | asg | stoned: hehe |
| 14:35.56 | stoned | hey man, what does it usually mean if a really fine girl starts talking to you about her personal shit, and her boyfriend problems and all that? |
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| 14:36.35 | stoned | sounds like I might be "in" |
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| 14:38.05 | asg | stoned: either that or she thinks you're gay and safe |
| 14:38.46 | stoned | no, shes seen the intricately framed picture of my daughter and girlfriend on my desk |
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| 14:39.25 | asg | stoned: ;) |
| 14:39.46 | Blissex | stoned: it means she hates you. Women talk about their personal shit to men they really hate. |
| 14:40.17 | vin` | "An agony aunt who is really a man, and the complications that follow." |
| 14:40.24 | stoned | in the past 30 days, shes been out with me for lunch 20 days |
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| 14:40.32 | stoned | the others she stayed in and worked |
| 14:40.58 | stoned | thats why I'm confused, she's never made a pass at me, but she smiles at me a lot |
| 14:41.05 | stoned | I can't figure it out man |
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| 14:42.26 | stoned | Three little Piggy's to make a Piggy Pie, nothing like the sound of when you hear a Piggy die. I might use my gun (NO), I might use my Axe (YES), the Carnival's in town, come and get your Piggy snacks |
| 14:42.43 | roxy_ | what could be the difference between the 2 column 'quota' in the output of quota ? |
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| 14:43.05 | smacnay | stoned: sounds like she IS your girlfriend and your girlfriend is your affair |
| 14:43.55 | stoned | lol |
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| 14:44.28 | bofh80 | HEY HEY |
| 14:44.28 | bofh80 | :D |
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| 14:44.44 | Hoxzer | bofh80: hi |
| 14:44.49 | garo | Are there packages that need other packages that are installed during installation of debian but don't list those other packages as dependencies ? |
| 14:45.18 | garo | In other words: will i get into trouble by removing cron,at,nfs,lpd,... |
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| 14:45.43 | stoned | garo, yes |
| 14:45.46 | wols | cron/at might be rpoblematic. nfs and lpd you can remove without a problem |
| 14:45.47 | stoned | not nfs |
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| 14:46.49 | garo | I want to remove everything that I don't use but I want to be sure that if i want to install a package that needs those things installs them back |
| 14:46.55 | bofh80 | i can't get my zyxel g-260 working with the zydas 1211 driver (from apt, or built from source). it's not in the supported card list. I am on the verge of using NDIS, i just need to compile and installing using apt / m-a right? and i don't need to recompile my kernel do i?! |
| 14:47.23 | garo | stoned: do you mean that i should keep nfs or that i can remove it ? |
| 14:47.36 | smacnay | garo: when you install something, the installer will grab whatever it needs |
| 14:47.47 | stoned | garo, as wols said |
| 14:48.14 | bofh80 | garo, if your using samba you can loose NFS.....do you need NFS to share files? samba is much better i've heard :P get rid of NFS if your using samba or not sharing files. my two bits. :) |
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| 14:48.27 | garo | smacnay: so all packages list everything they need as a dependency ? |
| 14:49.07 | rogier | I see that debian has some support for building from source. But is there also the possibility to automatically install a package and its dependencies from source? So, more or less like gentoo ? |
| 14:49.09 | smacnay | garo: a package will list what it needs to install and will install what it needs. |
| 14:49.16 | bofh80 | garo, debian installs more than one program to perform one task. i would imagine you can remove them quite fine. no problems at all |
| 14:49.27 | rogier | I am currently running gentoo, but am getting fed up of having to compile just everything. |
| 14:50.13 | garo | rogier: do you know that all big ebuilds have a binary version ? |
| 14:50.13 | smacnay | garo: removing random packages without knowing what depends on them might break (will break) other packages. |
| 14:50.26 | bofh80 | garo, synaptic should tell you that it's going to remove another program because it depends the one your removing to be there. Just keep a note. remember debian linux is very modular, u can usaully remove a lot without breakin it :P |
| 14:50.36 | smacnay | garo: there is a dpkg command that will list which packages depend on one you are looking at. |
| 14:50.40 | bofh80 | anyone using an NDIS wrapper? |
| 14:50.42 | wols | rogier: apt-get build-dep will isntall dependencies for building a package, yes |
| 14:50.58 | rogier | garo, well yes I know, but that's only a couple. |
| 14:51.15 | wols | rogier: but debian people rearely build their own packages. and debian has no USE flags system |
| 14:51.31 | rogier | wols, but for those dependencies, binary packages will be installed, right ? |
| 14:51.31 | garo | smacnay: won't aptitude or apt-get complain if i want to remove something that is a dep of something else on my system ? |
| 14:51.32 | row | Does anyone know if I can use the ubuntu wine package without it screwing up now/later.. on my debian unstable install? |
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| 14:52.05 | bofh80 | rogier, LMAO it took me two weeks to get everything compiled for my Dual Celly box running gentoo. heheheh, what an experience. |
| 14:52.07 | wols | rogier: yes |
| 14:52.24 | smacnay | garo: aptitude will list whatever needs to be removed with your selection for removal... |
| 14:52.29 | bofh80 | row, WHY? |
| 14:52.34 | wols | rogier: IIRC winehq has debian packages |
| 14:52.49 | wols | row: |
| 14:52.55 | row | bofh80: as they have latest version, current one is causing flickering |
| 14:52.59 | row | wols: ah |
| 14:53.00 | row | cool |
| 14:53.00 | bofh80 | LOL |
| 14:53.09 | rogier | wols, well I can live with binaries. It's just that gentoo is very convenient for installing and updating expirimental software. |
| 14:53.47 | garo | smacnay: so if i run 'aptitude remove a-package-that-is-a-dep-of-foobar' then it will list foobar ? |
| 14:54.01 | rogier | So I was wondering how convenient debian would be for that. |
| 14:54.09 | rogier | winehq ? |
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| 14:54.31 | asg | rogier: #winehq |
| 14:54.40 | bofh80 | rogier, i think you'll find debian's way of things very nice. :P |
| 14:54.46 | wols | rogier: winehq.com |
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| 14:55.07 | bofh80 | rogier, i recommend ubuntu for new people, debian for anyone else :P gentoo's nice. get real tho :) |
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| 14:55.19 | smacnay | garo: it should |
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| 14:55.57 | bofh80 | if i found gentoo in a production environment i think i'd freak out :) |
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| 14:56.28 | garo | I like gentoo for desktops, debian for servers and openbsd as firewall (iptables is nice but not as nice as pf) |
| 14:57.03 | vin` | !apt-build |
| 14:57.04 | dpkg | i guess apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 14:57.59 | garo | gentoo is ofcourse not as stable and well tested as gentoo but i like it as desktop because it feels like my room: |
| 14:58.09 | asg | ? |
| 14:58.27 | vin` | the OS and the file manager? |
| 14:58.30 | garo | unorganized but for some strange reason i can find everything i need very quick |
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| 14:59.26 | bofh80 | garo, lol you should have that the other way round i think :P |
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| 15:00.11 | bofh80 | *sigh* my usb card isn't even listed in the supported NDIS list :( |
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| 15:01.25 | Bullzeye | my xserver goes down , when i have wrote the lines "option tvtype pal" in my xf86config-4, where is the problem? |
| 15:02.10 | rogier | ok thanks guys, will look into apt-build, and maybe try out debian soon |
| 15:02.18 | garo | gentoo feels "I'm not mature but I'll do everything to look mature" debian feels "I'm mature but I'll do everything to make people think I'm still fun to use" |
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| 15:02.37 | garo | but that's just my opinion ofcourse.. |
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| 15:06.49 | garo | Ubuntu just feels slutty: They are easy and they are cheap (they're the only distro giving themselves away like that) |
| 15:07.22 | rogier | haha, garo, I tend to agree with you. But I wouldn't really care. |
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| 15:07.53 | rogier | Ubuntu kind of puts me of with their webpage. hard to find anything. If din gentoo very good at that though. |
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| 15:08.44 | tarzeau | rogier: debian homepage colors put me off |
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| 15:11.20 | asg | tarzeau: they look just fine in lynx *shrug* |
| 15:12.20 | epsilon | .oO t-4min |
| 15:12.42 | tarzeau | asg: the graphical installer of etch colors put me off too |
| 15:12.58 | tarzeau | and the GNU/Linux font... , the shadows of the fonts |
| 15:13.06 | garo | And then you have openbsd, I would compare them with one of those poor (slashdot tells me they're broke) conspiracy-theory, paranoid guys living on the street |
| 15:13.12 | asg | tarzeau: haven't seen it, the curses installer is perfectly fine |
| 15:13.22 | tarzeau | it must've been some guy with absolutely alot below zero taste |
| 15:13.28 | garo | But they make a hell of a firewall |
| 15:13.35 | asg | garo: and desktop and server |
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| 15:13.39 | tarzeau | someone with zero sense aesthetically |
| 15:13.49 | tarzeau | asg: it's not default |
| 15:13.54 | garo | openbsd as desktop ? :( |
| 15:13.56 | tarzeau | asg: and the new "tasksel" is horrible |
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| 15:14.06 | asg | garo: of course |
| 15:14.24 | asg | tarzeau: never used that either I'm afraid. I just install a very minimal system and apt-get install everything else. |
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| 15:17.05 | De_Mon | wtf? 11:17:51.471259 IP 69.69.145.124.5060 > 66.192.107.225.5060: SIP, length: 368 |
| 15:17.32 | De_Mon | my ip is not 69.69.145.124, but thats the src being sent out on my sip packets... |
| 15:17.33 | garo | What's kacpid and can I kill it ? |
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| 15:21.22 | De_Mon | garo use google. you might find something like: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=40235 |
| 15:22.17 | asg | De_Mon: it's for ACPI |
| 15:24.05 | fasta | garo: trolling? |
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| 15:26.22 | garo | i tought it was normal question |
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| 15:27.15 | garo | i'm trying to kill as many services as i can without destroying the system |
| 15:28.22 | fasta | garo: Your remarks on OpenBSD are... |
| 15:30.22 | garo | it was just joke |
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| 15:31.04 | garo | it's a good os as server and great as firewall, i just don't want it as a desktop |
| 15:31.21 | infernix | !start a distro war |
| 15:31.22 | dpkg | Knoppix 0wnz! |
| 15:32.24 | pmv_ | hehe |
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| 15:34.13 | garo | smart bot... |
| 15:35.32 | garo | i find it strange that most people don't like editor/windowmanager/os/...-wars |
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| 15:35.36 | gpm | hi everyone. my usb mouse device (and all of /dev/input/) no longer exists. i can't figure out where my mouse device is...it still shows up in dmesg (as /class/input/input1), can anyone help me figure it out? |
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| 15:38.02 | wols | gpm: you are running sid and udev? |
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| 15:39.58 | teardrop | what's the name of the popular e17 install script |
| 15:40.07 | gpm | wols: yeah |
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| 15:40.24 | gpm | wols: hasn't been a problem until just now though.. |
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| 15:43.14 | |DuReX| | i get an error when i try to add a device to my software RAID5 |
| 15:43.16 | |DuReX| | error: |
| 15:43.16 | |DuReX| | md: sdb has invalid sb, not importing! |
| 15:43.16 | |DuReX| | md: md_import_device returned -22 |
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| 15:43.26 | ma3x | can anybody help me setup a dyndns? |
| 15:43.50 | |DuReX| | any id ? |
| 15:44.04 | wols | ma3x: state your specific problem, not a blanket one |
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| 15:44.53 | ma3x | allright. I have a router, and my static ip is 192.168.1.2. so any dyndns client for debian is unable to determine my external (internet) ip, or the external ip of the router |
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| 15:45.08 | ma3x | so how do I possibly set it up, and what package should I install? |
| 15:45.16 | ma3x | or what package do you think is the best one for dyndns.org? |
| 15:45.29 | wols | many will work. I use ez-ipupdate |
| 15:45.45 | wols | but I use debian for my router |
| 15:45.54 | gpm | wols: am i just screwed? is there a bug i should know about (i checked out bts)? |
| 15:47.20 | wols | gpm: udev package from yesterday or so. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386500 |
| 15:47.24 | davi | [nessus-plugins]: Are they updated at Debian stable ? |
| 15:47.25 | wols | read kanotix.com for a fix |
| 15:47.26 | |DuReX| | could somebody help me ? :'( |
| 15:47.41 | wols | davi: nothing is "updated" in stable that way |
| 15:48.41 | davi | wols, Does the security team update it ? |
| 15:48.41 | fasta | !id |
| 15:48.42 | dpkg | id is probably 1d3nt1f1c4t10n. Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360 |
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| 15:49.36 | wols | ma3x: you could parse the output of "www.whatismyip.com" and hand over the ip you got there to ez-ipupdate -a |
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| 15:50.13 | wols | davi: it does. but that only means it fixes security vulnerabilities from nessus-plugins itself. it won't give you any new features or capabilities |
| 15:50.29 | wols | iei there is only an update if someone could root your box via nessus-plugins |
| 15:50.45 | davi | ok, ok, thanks wols |
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| 15:51.03 | ovis | how do i get the configuration screens after a debootstapping ? or is there a dpkg-reconfigure step ? |
| 15:51.30 | ovis | i did a manual debootstrapping |
| 15:51.30 | ma3x | wols, how do I pasrse the output of www.whatismyip.com? should I make a special script for that or what? |
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| 15:51.46 | |DuReX| | stop ignoring me :( |
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| 15:53.10 | AoA | can somebody tell me the name of the program to display CPU, temperatures weather... ? |
| 15:53.43 | AoA | I mean on desktop |
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| 15:55.11 | muhammadoenkol | hello folx |
| 15:55.43 | muhammadoenkol | ehm, I would like to get a printer working today... where should I start reading? |
| 15:55.59 | muhammadoenkol | !tell me about printer |
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| 16:07.21 | obake | hum.. is it normal for X fonts to look like crap in a LCD monitor? |
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| 16:09.27 | tha_guy | obake: I am using X fonts on my laptop and they do not look like crap. |
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| 16:10.19 | ootput | obake: lcd monitor fonts tend to look great |
| 16:10.44 | obake | tha_guy: well, i don't know what happened. maybe i'm not used to LCD at all. changed my old 17'' CRT for a 17'' LCD this week |
| 16:11.05 | obake | and i noticed a huge difference in how fonts look |
| 16:11.09 | ootput | obake: http://tinyurl.com/edgqm |
| 16:11.53 | metrix | I want to connect to my debian/testing box from another machine on a local network. I remember setting it up and connecting via an x-session but I keep running into vnc solutions... can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 16:12.16 | obake | ootput: hum, will have a look, thanks |
| 16:12.26 | Blissex | metrix: 'export DISPLAY=othermachine:0' for exampe |
| 16:12.40 | Blissex | metrix: 'export DISPLAY=othermachine:0' for example. Check also 'xauth' and firewall rules for authorization. |
| 16:12.52 | Blissex | metrix: else use 'ssh -X' |
| 16:13.23 | metrix | ok cool thank you! |
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| 16:15.20 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is there a program that I could use as a chronometer in debian ? |
| 16:16.05 | lord_rob | (ok it's somewhat a silly question but still ...) |
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| 16:21.47 | ovis | how can i get that blue [Configure the network] screen ? |
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| 16:23.25 | tha_guy | ovis: what do you mean? |
| 16:24.05 | ootput | ovis: from the installation media? I'm not sure if you can |
| 16:24.54 | ovis | tha_guy i just debootstrapped a system and try to figure out how to properly configuring everything |
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| 16:25.49 | ph00_phyter | where can I see a list of all my currently active connections? |
| 16:26.05 | ma3x | how can I make script who will automatically retrieve my ip address and put it in a file? |
| 16:26.08 | ovis | manually no installation disk, i made a bootdisk my own, with the proper linux-2.6.17-11 kernel |
| 16:26.26 | tha_guy | ph00_phyter: use the netstat command |
| 16:26.42 | ph00_phyter | k |
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| 16:27.13 | tha_guy | ovis: you mean everytime you have to configure your ethernet connection? |
| 16:27.23 | ootput | ovis: modify /etc/network/interfaces manually |
| 16:27.46 | tha_guy | ma3x: ifconfig > file.txt |
| 16:27.48 | wols | ma3x: with bash, perl or python |
| 16:28.12 | ootput | ovis: consult something similar to http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/08/17/1947210 |
| 16:28.38 | ma3x | wols, but I can't do scripting. I dont know how |
| 16:28.49 | ma3x | tha_guy, your external ip is not listed in ifconfig |
| 16:29.24 | tha_guy | ifconfig will give you all network connections. |
| 16:30.21 | cahoot | ma3x: you want the ip of your router or such? |
| 16:30.26 | ma3x | cahoot, yes |
| 16:30.42 | ma3x | cahoot, the external of course |
| 16:30.54 | ootput | ma3x: that netstat suggestion works |
| 16:31.11 | ootput | unless you've got some funky network layout |
| 16:31.14 | ma3x | what netstat suggestion? |
| 16:32.42 | ootput | how complex is your network? |
| 16:33.35 | ma3x | its not complex, the router is 192.168.1.1, and I am 192.168.1.2 (static, not dhcp) |
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| 16:34.19 | tha_guy | ma3x: I still do not understand what you want. |
| 16:34.53 | ma3x | tha_guy, dyndns update |
| 16:35.45 | ootput | ma3x: ddclient is able to handle that for you |
| 16:35.59 | ootput | consult the sample config |
| 16:36.03 | ma3x | ootput, but ddclient will update the ip to 192.168.1.2 |
| 16:36.10 | ma3x | it can't understand the external ip of eth1 |
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| 16:37.17 | ma3x | cahoot, still there? |
| 16:37.43 | cahoot | ma3x: yes but I can not help sorry |
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| 16:38.40 | startxwhite | can anyone recommend a light alternative to wifi-radar for a P133 runing icewm? NO kde or gnome apps plz! |
| 16:38.55 | ma3x | ok, how can I stop dhclient editing /etc/resolv.conf every time I run dhclient? |
| 16:39.12 | Trewas | ma3x: there are probably some more direct way but lynx -source http://whatismyip.com | grep '<TITLE>'| ... is one way to get your ip |
| 16:40.59 | Sorcer | startxwhite: kismet? |
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| 16:41.40 | Sorcer | ah |
| 16:41.45 | Sorcer | startxwhite: not same thing :) |
| 16:42.36 | startxwhite | kismet is not what i am after. and does not work properly with broadcom and marvel chipset based wifi cards |
| 16:42.43 | ma3x | Trewas, that's fine. Now how can I grep out only the number (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) ? |
| 16:42.47 | ma3x | you know any scripting for that? |
| 16:43.02 | teardrop | can anyone recommend a good pdf viewer that can also let me fill in forms on the pdf |
| 16:43.51 | tha_guy | teardrop: why not use Adobe's reader? |
| 16:43.57 | ovis | Do i need e2fs_stage1_5 with grub if i use ext3 ??? |
| 16:44.04 | js_ | what is the proper way to install flash and other browser plugins when running amd64 / tech? |
| 16:44.08 | js_ | etch* |
| 16:44.16 | teardrop | tha_guy: is that in debian repositories? |
| 16:44.41 | Trewas | ma3x: a couple of stupid cut(1)s for example, lynx -source http://whatismyip.com | grep '<TITLE>'|cut -f3 -d\ |cut -f1 -d\< |
| 16:45.01 | tha_guy | teardrop: I don't know. the one I am using is downloaded through Adobe's site. |
| 16:45.18 | Trewas | ma3x: but that will break if they change their html even a bit |
| 16:45.33 | Trewas | I don't know if they are in habit of doing that :) |
| 16:45.45 | ootput | ma3x: i find it odd that ddclient reports the address of an internal machine |
| 16:46.01 | tha_guy | ma3x: maybe wget can save it to .txt file, then you can grep cut as you like. |
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| 16:46.32 | teardrop | can dpkg handle rpms? |
| 16:46.45 | ootput | alien can |
| 16:47.11 | teardrop | is alient any good? |
| 16:47.12 | ma3x | and how do I grep it_ |
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| 16:47.52 | sepski | teardrop, id' much rather install from source then trust a rpm |
| 16:47.54 | pickcoder | where can I get info on the Releases repos file |
| 16:48.03 | pickcoder | there's nothing in the new-maintainers page |
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| 16:48.56 | tha_guy | ma3x: do you know the wget command? |
| 16:49.19 | rhsanborn | Can you scan a apt-get package for the files it has? I installed partimage, but I can't find partimaged |
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| 16:49.50 | sepski | rhsanborn, dpkg -L packagename |
| 16:49.51 | ma3x | tha_guy, yeah man! I'm gonna fetch the web page, but then how do I grep out only the ip address? |
| 16:50.07 | rhsanborn | sepski, thx |
| 16:50.26 | Alien_Freak | wow.. where did dpkg go? |
| 16:50.28 | pickcoder | never mind.. google finally got something |
| 16:51.12 | ootput | Alien_Freak: an indefinite hiatus |
| 16:51.12 | tha_guy | ma3x: sorry, but I am a lousy coder :-( try it yourself. |
| 16:51.25 | tha_guy | it shouldn't be hard. |
| 16:51.25 | Alien_Freak | awh... it was a damn useful bot.. |
| 16:51.28 | ma3x | im not coder |
| 16:51.33 | rhsanborn | Alright, apparently the partimage package doesn't have partimaged included with it, and there is no partimaged package. Anyone know how to search the apt-get db for a specific file? |
| 16:51.49 | Alien_Freak | oh well, no biggie. I got my main problems fixed |
| 16:52.00 | ootput | ma3x: feel free to pick up an idea or two ;) |
| 16:52.14 | Trewas | ma3x: I already gave you a working command to get the address |
| 16:52.26 | ootput | rhsanborn: apt-file search |
| 16:52.30 | garo | When i read /etc/init.d/ppp I see it should print a message ("/etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot is deprecated. Please configure your...") when I run it like this '/etc/init.d/ppp start'. Where does this message go ? |
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| 16:52.54 | ma3x | Trewas, that gets the whole "<TITLE>WhatIsMyIP.com - 89.82.249.82</TITLE>" |
| 16:52.58 | rhsanborn | ootput, thx, I'm still in madrake mode. I need to learn the new commands |
| 16:53.01 | ma3x | oh Trewas hold on |
| 16:53.12 | ma3x | I didn't see your 2nd reply |
| 16:53.24 | ma3x | Trewas, that's wonderful thanks! |
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| 16:54.01 | garo | nevermind |
| 16:56.11 | garo | when you ask aptitude to purge a a package will it purge it's reverse dependencies or just remove them ? |
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| 16:56.23 | tapple | is there a command to map a filename to the package that it came from? Such as gentoo's 'equery belongs <file>' |
| 16:56.35 | garo | dpkg -S file |
| 16:56.35 | dpkg | You Fool! file is installed! |
| 16:57.36 | tapple | garo: thanks |
| 16:57.50 | garo | and 'equery files' is 'dpkg -L' |
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| 17:05.50 | startxwhite | can anyone recommend a light alternative gui-app to wifi-radar for a P133 runing icewm? NO kde or gnome apps plz! |
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| 17:10.29 | vittorio | hi for all |
| 17:11.28 | vittorio | chack norris |
| 17:12.02 | vittorio | a giocato alla rulote russa |
| 17:12.12 | dendrite | !ru |
| 17:12.12 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 17:12.23 | dendrite | !it |
| 17:12.24 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 17:12.42 | vittorio | con la pistola |
| 17:12.55 | vittorio | completamente carica |
| 17:13.06 | vittorio | e ha vinto |
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| 17:15.40 | vittorio | who where from Milan |
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| 17:20.07 | ma3x | when I do ps aux, and if there is some process performing a long command, for eg. grep 134 | cat /etc/resolv.conf > /etc/resolv.conf2 | |
| 17:20.19 | ma3x | and if I can only see the line untill grep 134 | |
| 17:20.22 | ma3x | how do I see the rest then? |
| 17:21.17 | dendrite | ma3x: man ps, look for the "Wide output" flag. |
| 17:21.39 | ma3x | thanks |
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| 17:22.01 | tha_guy | ma3x: that would be ps auxw |
| 17:22.13 | ma3x | yes thanks |
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| 17:22.26 | dendrite | tha_guy: Or ps auxww, interestingly enough. |
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| 17:27.00 | Azoff | hello |
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| 17:27.15 | Azoff | how stable is debian Etch at the moment? |
| 17:27.38 | pickcoder | Azoff: it is estimated to be released as stable in December of this year |
| 17:27.41 | Azoff | is it in the proccess of freez for the planed release in dec.? |
| 17:28.19 | cydork | Azoff, it's not frozen yet if that's what you are asking. |
| 17:28.55 | Azoff | I have a box running Sarge right now at my parents, but their new graphic card, wont work with the nv-driver in sarge.. so I am considering moving to Etch |
| 17:29.21 | Azoff | but to do that, I want a somewhat stable ground to stand on =) |
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| 17:30.00 | pickcoder | Azoff: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2006/msg00003.html |
| 17:30.03 | Azoff | as the box is a long way from home, I do not want it to just stop working.. |
| 17:30.31 | Azoff | thanks, I'll read it |
| 17:30.31 | dendrite | Azoff: Hard to get objective advice on that here, but I've heard that etch is easily as stable as most other distributions. But of course there is always the chance that things will change. Odds are the thing that would make it stop working would be an upgrade. |
| 17:31.03 | Azoff | hm |
| 17:31.31 | Azoff | lets say I'll upgrade to etch, how smoth is the process? (using kde as an desktop) |
| 17:32.02 | dendrite | Azoff: That varies wildly. |
| 17:32.31 | Azoff | or would it be better to just reinstall? |
| 17:32.41 | pickcoder | actually, this is a better link: http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060724 |
| 17:32.49 | pickcoder | you can go back a directory and view all the 2006 news |
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| 17:33.02 | pickcoder | in case something changes between now and December |
| 17:33.18 | cydork | Azoff, na i say it's better to upgrade. |
| 17:34.07 | Azoff | hmm, I could still just burn a cd with all configs and such.. |
| 17:34.19 | Azoff | I'll try =) |
| 17:35.16 | pickcoder | Azoff: if it's any comfort, I had a Sarge "testing" on a machine until a few weeks ago when I ran apt-get upgrade (not dist-upgrade). No problems. |
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| 17:36.18 | Azoff | pickcoder: did you have kde and X and all that stuff? |
| 17:36.30 | Azoff | I am thinking of a conflict with XFree86 and Xorg |
| 17:36.34 | pickcoder | Azoff: no. Xorg is a problem in itself |
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| 17:41.59 | pickcoder | Azoff: there shouldn't be anything in the X translation that can't be fixed, if it breaks |
| 17:42.06 | J4v4 | hi |
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| 17:42.20 | foo | $ xterm -bg black |
| 17:42.22 | foo | Warning: Color name "black" is not defined |
| 17:42.25 | foo | Any ideas on that? Blah. |
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| 17:43.14 | pickcoder | Azoff: if the video card is the only problem, then look for a backport solution. |
| 17:43.45 | Azoff | pickcoder: from what I have seen, it's only the nvdriver.. |
| 17:43.53 | Azoff | (the free one) |
| 17:44.08 | J4v4 | yesterday I updated my debian sid... 5 minutes ago I restarted the pc and it has some problems... is this a known issue? is there any broken package? |
| 17:44.30 | Azoff | J4v4: what problems do you have? |
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| 17:45.21 | J4v4 | my /dev/input/mice can't be found... so X doesn't start |
| 17:45.21 | J4v4 | # cat /dev/input/mice |
| 17:45.21 | J4v4 | cat: /dev/input/mice: No such device |
| 17:45.21 | Azoff | J4v4: probpbly doesn't load some module |
| 17:45.33 | Azoff | are you using usb or ps2 mouse? |
| 17:45.36 | J4v4 | usb |
| 17:45.53 | Azoff | do you have anything else in /dev/input/ ? |
| 17:45.58 | J4v4 | i tried to make the node, but nothing changed |
| 17:46.06 | J4v4 | only mice |
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| 17:46.29 | Azoff | hm |
| 17:46.36 | Azoff | what kernel are you running? |
| 17:46.41 | pickcoder | J4v4: is the mouse being detected? |
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| 17:46.54 | nvz | I just woke up and hopped around the whole house because my leg muscles were all cramped up it hurt like hell :P |
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| 17:47.02 | J4v4 | now i've started an old 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 17:47.29 | J4v4 | before i started my current kernel (a 2.6.16) but it was the same |
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| 17:47.50 | nvz | heh |
| 17:48.00 | hobophobe | Anyone know if the udev 0.100-1 from a few days ago that wasn't starting properly is fixed? |
| 17:48.05 | nvz | I havent had a banana in a while |
| 17:48.18 | J4v4 | <pickcoder> J4v4: is the mouse being detected? -> uhm... how can i check it? |
| 17:48.19 | hobophobe | A banana is an atheist's worst nightmare. |
| 17:48.20 | vins | i have a doubt |
| 17:48.22 | realist | Either have I |
| 17:48.27 | pickcoder | maybe that's why you're having cramps! |
| 17:48.30 | pickcoder | :P |
| 17:48.33 | nvz | I looke at them every time I go to the stopre too |
| 17:48.33 | realist | Banana shortage here at the moment. |
| 17:48.46 | realist | $14AUD/kg |
| 17:49.20 | cydork | hobophobe, banana? nightmare ? |
| 17:49.22 | pickcoder | J4v4: if it's USB then you should see a hotplug notice |
| 17:49.29 | nvz | I dont know but usually it happens in my lower legs hurts a lot worse in bigger muscles |
| 17:49.35 | pickcoder | J4v4: unplug it and plug it back in |
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| 17:50.02 | J4v4 | yes |
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| 17:50.20 | J4v4 | it sees my mouse |
| 17:50.23 | hobophobe | cydork, it was some "way of the master" program, christian people trying to show how to convert atheist... they say banana is atheist worst nightmare because it proves god. |
| 17:51.05 | hobophobe | they compare it with soda can, it has a grip, it has a pull tab at top, it has a wrapper (peel), etc. and therefore only god must have made |
| 17:51.16 | nvz | heh |
| 17:51.19 | pickcoder | O_o |
| 17:51.24 | nvz | yeah whatever. |
| 17:51.27 | pickcoder | it is a perfect food... |
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| 17:51.41 | cydork | hobophobe, wht the fuck? idiots.. |
| 17:51.49 | hobophobe | they also humiliate a monkey on that show :o/ took him in restaurant and let him eat like normal monkey but said he has no manners so we can't have evolved |
| 17:51.58 | hobophobe | s/monkey/chimp |
| 17:52.21 | J4v4 | uhm... let me try restarting a 2.6.16... |
| 17:52.25 | J4v4 | bbl |
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| 17:53.16 | cydork | mind reader? |
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| 17:53.20 | pickcoder | hm.. wonder how you would set the "ESSID" for a mind read. |
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| 17:54.28 | pickcoder | :P |
| 17:54.46 | cydork | people say i have none :) |
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| 17:55.16 | hobophobe | That'd be fun, someone with a mind reader and they find someone with no signal..like when I was in preschool they brought a stethoscope to let us hear our heartbeats, but the teacher couldn't find mine. |
| 17:55.23 | js_ | i'm trying to run a 32bit application in a 32bit chroot i created.. i use dhcroot, but i get the error gtk can't open display.. what's wrong? |
| 17:55.26 | pickcoder | Azoff: I don't see anything in backports for the open source driver |
| 17:55.29 | webfreak | hey folks. so i've returned to debian after a haitus to ubuntu. i missed it. :( |
| 17:55.32 | pickcoder | Azoff: Xorg is in there |
| 17:56.10 | cydork | hobophobe, you watch too much tv, dont you? |
| 17:56.19 | hobophobe | No...a little bit, why? |
| 17:56.24 | webfreak | guess it's too hard to leave debian when i've used it since potato |
| 17:56.28 | webfreak | or was it ham... |
| 17:56.33 | mattl | is this the right place to ask a question about firefox in sid? |
| 17:56.46 | Azoff | pickcoder: hmm.. but if I use backport for Xorg, I could use Etch too |
| 17:57.04 | Charminthemoose | is it possible to boot the netinst.iso off of a fat32 partition? |
| 17:57.21 | pickcoder | webfreak: but you won't have to change your distro |
| 17:57.24 | pickcoder | gah |
| 17:57.29 | webfreak | pickcoder: huh? |
| 17:57.30 | pickcoder | r/webfreak/Azoff |
| 17:57.33 | hobophobe | js_, it needs access to X I think? Not sure how you add that. I know for sudoing with gtk available you use gksu or gksudo. Is there an equivalent for your purpose? |
| 17:57.33 | webfreak | oh |
| 17:57.39 | pickcoder | tab-complete went a little crazy |
| 17:57.42 | pickcoder | :P |
| 17:57.43 | webfreak | k |
| 17:58.02 | Azoff | pickcoder: hmm.. true |
| 17:58.31 | Azoff | I could try it before I reinstall if I would do it.. |
| 17:58.32 | kristalino | does anyone know a vnc viewer that view several vnc client at the same time, with thumbnails ? |
| 17:58.32 | webfreak | mattl: you can try |
| 17:58.39 | Charminthemoose | is it possible to boot the netinst.iso off of a fat32 partition? |
| 17:58.39 | js_ | hobophobe: it was enough to pass it the flags -d -q :) |
| 17:58.52 | hobophobe | ah, okay :o) |
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| 17:59.20 | J4v4 | back... |
| 17:59.24 | webfreak | mattl: i use firefox in sid too |
| 17:59.30 | mattl | webfreak, basically, it doesn't start up properly anymore.. and i want to know how i can work out what it's actually doing, so i can report it/try and fix it... it just comes up with a broken GTK window with two buttons that have no text. |
| 18:00.00 | J4v4 | with 2.6.16 i can't neither connect to internet: pon says that it can't find /dev/modem |
| 18:00.02 | hobophobe | mattl, you've tried starting it with a new profile? |
| 18:00.15 | webfreak | that's what i was going to say... |
| 18:00.18 | webfreak | too slow though. |
| 18:00.18 | J4v4 | and /dev/input doesn't exist |
| 18:00.26 | mattl | hobophobe, i moved .mozilla to .mozbackup and restarted it.. and that hasn't fixed it. |
| 18:00.51 | fasta | I want to do a very simple thing: burn some directories to an empty cd. I started k3b, made a project etc. When I click burn it says: Some filenames need to be shortened due to the 64 char restriction of the Joliet extensions. Continue anyway? I click yes, and I then get a bunch of errors regarding the file encoding... I tried using convmv to change the file encoding, but when I do convmv * it says:"unknown from encoding" . |
| 18:00.54 | J4v4 | on 2.6.8 pon is able to connect, and /dev/input/mice exists... |
| 18:01.08 | Azoff | pickcoder: what the hell... could I use sarge arround 1year before it were marked stable on my server at home, I could use Etch here arround 3 months ;-) |
| 18:01.17 | mattl | hobophobe, just started it with -ProfileManager and the profile manager dialog is screwed up too.. the buttons don't have any text and they don't do anything. |
| 18:01.26 | fasta | Could anyone give me an insightful answer? |
| 18:01.29 | webfreak | hmm, sounds like a gtk problem |
| 18:01.44 | Charminthemoose | just a note:i get my internet via ethernet,is this supported? |
| 18:02.01 | mattl | webfreak, wouldn't other GTK apps be affected? |
| 18:02.19 | mattl | (i'm on powerpc, if that matters any. rarely does in Debian.) |
| 18:02.47 | webfreak | mattl: i'm not sure, i haven't had that kind of problem lately |
| 18:02.57 | cydork | Charminthemoose, i have query. why do you boot the iso from windows? |
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| 18:03.21 | mattl | webfreak, i'm wondering if my mirrors are screwed. |
| 18:03.36 | hobophobe | fasta, the error for convmv is that it doesn't know what encoding the file currently is. |
| 18:03.54 | Charminthemoose | cydork:Due to the fact my cdrom is dead and even if i got it fixed,my bios dislike booting from cd |
| 18:04.01 | Charminthemoose | even with a bootfloppy |
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| 18:04.41 | fasta | hobophobe: yes, I understand that. But _I_ also don't know what the encoding is. I only know that the source of those files is Windows. |
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| 18:05.29 | teardrop | in what file is the PATH enviromental variable set? |
| 18:05.36 | cydork | Charminthemoose, i am sure loadlin can do it. |
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| 18:05.48 | azeem | teardrop: ~/.bash*, usually |
| 18:05.52 | mattl | teardrop, you can set it in your .bash_profile |
| 18:05.57 | enouf | fasta : as in WMP10 files? |
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| 18:06.31 | webfreak | the global path is set in /etc/profile |
| 18:06.48 | webfreak | if your .bashrc sources /etc/profile just append to the global path |
| 18:07.08 | fasta | enouf: no, the file k3b crashes on is a directory name. |
| 18:07.21 | hobophobe | fasta, do you have dire need to keep the filenames intact? Could you save the list of names (ie, ls > file.txt) and then burn with converting down to the 64 restriction, and then if you need to rename them where you go, you have the file.txt to use? |
| 18:07.52 | webfreak | as in, something like export PATH=$PATH:/someotherdirectory |
| 18:07.56 | fasta | hobophobe: As I said, I already accepted that solution k3b offered me. |
| 18:08.04 | fasta | hobophobe: but then it still didn't work. |
| 18:08.12 | hobophobe | oh, sorry I misread that |
| 18:08.12 | webfreak | at least that's what i do. |
| 18:08.25 | fasta | hobophobe: Incorrectly encoded string (p??en Neurobit tente de r.htm) encountered. |
| 18:08.55 | fasta | hobophobe: That's the error k3b gives in its debugging output. |
| 18:09.26 | teardrop | do I have to restart for the changes in /etc/profile to take affect or can I just do source /etc/profile |
| 18:09.41 | webfreak | mattl: what version of gtk is installed? |
| 18:10.01 | hobophobe | fasta, well one suggestion would be making the iso first, then burning it? |
| 18:10.03 | webfreak | mattl: dpkg -l | grep libgtk |
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| 18:11.00 | fasta | hobophobe: Ok, also I don't understand the gazillion "extensions" I can choose from. All I care about is that I can read the data I write in 5-10 years again. |
| 18:11.24 | pickcoder | Charminthemoose: what motherboard do you have |
| 18:11.26 | LinuxHelp | er, how do I list all the groups on my system? |
| 18:11.38 | webfreak | LinuxHelp: cat /etc/group |
| 18:11.56 | fasta | hobophobe: Can I just safely enable all the extensions, since my current idea of the extensions is: don't push buttons you don't understand. |
| 18:12.26 | tha_guy | LinuxHelp: cat /etc/group | cut -f1 -d: |
| 18:12.44 | cydork | Charminthemoose, ping |
| 18:12.50 | LinuxHelp | tha_guy, that was cool |
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| 18:13.10 | webfreak | yeah, that too. |
| 18:13.20 | hobophobe | I'm not sure, fasta. but like you say if you don't explicitly invoke something it shouldn't be doing anything. |
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| 18:13.39 | kriel | for some reason, I can't get my CDROM to burn anything. every program I've tried just errors out. I remember finding a message about IDE and SCSI, but I can't figure out how to recreate it. |
| 18:14.03 | mattl | webfreak, 2.8.20-1 |
| 18:14.04 | pickcoder | kriel: is it a CD-RW or a CD-ROM. :) |
| 18:14.07 | LinuxHelp | Hmm, I'm getting: mount: only root can mount //10.0.0.7/POD on /mnt/ipod |
| 18:14.18 | webfreak | mattl: same version i have. hrm. |
| 18:14.20 | mattl | webfreak/hobophobe: i just installed the 1.99 beta and that works fine. |
| 18:14.27 | LinuxHelp | But my fstab says: noauto,owner,username=poduser,password=podpass |
| 18:14.36 | kriel | pickcoder: DVD-RW to be exact. CDROM is just what came out first. x.x |
| 18:14.39 | webfreak | mattl: the 1.99 beta of gtk? |
| 18:14.42 | LinuxHelp | and of course I own /mnt/ipod |
| 18:14.44 | Charminthemoose | sorry i'm here..... |
| 18:14.46 | mattl | webfreak, of firefox. |
| 18:14.50 | kriel | pickcoder: but I'm trying to burn normal cds. |
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| 18:14.57 | webfreak | mattl: oh, ok. |
| 18:14.59 | LinuxHelp | andd I'm a member of "disk" |
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| 18:15.04 | cydork | Charminthemoose, check http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html |
| 18:15.10 | pickcoder | kriel: ok.. I've seen people call things not what they are |
| 18:15.11 | webfreak | mattl: what version were you using? 1.5.0.6? |
| 18:15.17 | mattl | yep. |
| 18:15.22 | mattl | webfreak, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux ppc64; en-US; rv:1.8.1b1) Gecko/20060708 BonEcho/2.0b1 (Debian-1.99+2.0b1+dfsg-1) now |
| 18:15.27 | cydork | Charminthemoose, debian also has some hdinstall images which you can use with loadlin i guess |
| 18:15.30 | webfreak | mattl: interesting |
| 18:15.39 | kriel | pickcoder: innocent... -whistles lightly- |
| 18:15.40 | LinuxHelp | oh but wait.. |
| 18:15.52 | webfreak | mattl: well, at least you got it working. hopefully you won't have any problems with the beta, heh. |
| 18:16.00 | pickcoder | Charminthemoose: you can install from 3 floppies using net-install |
| 18:16.03 | LinuxHelp | noo, even after a re-login, no change |
| 18:16.25 | kristalino | does anyone know something like this for linux : http://www.s-code.com/App_Themes/Default/images/screenshots/screen_thumbnail.png ? |
| 18:16.34 | mattl | webfreak, heh, yeah. thankfully this is just the machine i mess about on and not the one i use for work, but if gnu.org looks like crap in Firefox 1.5, I'm blaming the sid guys! ;) |
| 18:16.47 | webfreak | mattl: heh :) |
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| 18:17.11 | pickcoder | kristalino: apt-cache search VNC |
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| 18:17.19 | hobophobe | fasta, other suggestion would be (if applicable) disable joliet filesystem? |
| 18:17.20 | mattl | webfreak, what do you think of the new look of www.gnu.org btw? |
| 18:17.31 | kristalino | pickcoder, nothing like this in the deb packages |
| 18:17.45 | kristalino | pickcoder, what a cool command, wow |
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| 18:17.56 | webfreak | mattl: i like it, but i don't remember what the original looked like in comparison, heh |
| 18:18.00 | webfreak | mattl: i never visit gnu.org much |
| 18:18.22 | mattl | webfreak, it looked like this - http://www.gnu.org/home.de.html |
| 18:18.35 | mattl | webfreak, visit more. go on. please. we'll give you some free software. |
| 18:18.44 | kristalino | a vnc viewer that view several vnc client at the same time, with thumbnails isn't easy to find |
| 18:19.05 | webfreak | mattl: haha, thanks ;) |
| 18:19.16 | webfreak | mattl: yeah, i like the horizontal menu bar |
| 18:19.37 | mattl | webfreak, w00t.. yeah, a few people didn't like that, but most did. |
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| 18:19.56 | webfreak | mattl: cool |
| 18:19.58 | fasta | hobophobe: Ok, I seem to get further then. I now get another error. I think I need to become root. I hope that with the Debian fork that limitation will be dropped soon as it is rediculous. |
| 18:19.58 | mattl | webfreak, this is what i'm working on next - http://mattl.co.uk/new-gnu2.png |
| 18:20.07 | fasta | er ridiculous |
| 18:20.29 | vin` | mattl: it looks more accessible and usable now. ;) |
| 18:20.42 | webfreak | mattl: nice. will the top left and right images have transparent backgrounds? |
| 18:20.49 | mattl | webfreak, heh, yes ;) |
| 18:20.51 | mattl | vin`, thanks :) |
| 18:21.00 | webfreak | mattl: ok, good :) |
| 18:21.19 | mattl | webfreak, i need to find somewhre to put the slap the monkey banner ads, but yeah, it's all good. |
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| 18:22.24 | webfreak | i've been wanting to get more involved in OSS development |
| 18:22.49 | mattl | webfreak, what kind of stuff? can you do webstuff? (your name suggests so) |
| 18:23.12 | hobophobe | I'm working on a project proposal to e-mail to gnu eventually :oP |
| 18:23.21 | webfreak | mattl: yeah, pretty much anything. i'm a CS major and i code php at work |
| 18:23.37 | teardrop | i'm a CS major too (at mit) |
| 18:23.47 | webfreak | mattl: i'm trying to get into ruby and python too |
| 18:23.52 | webfreak | teardrop: cool |
| 18:23.56 | hobophobe | I'm a CS major, not at MIT. |
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| 18:24.03 | webfreak | yeah, i'm not at MIT either ;) |
| 18:24.08 | teardrop | :( |
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| 18:24.22 | mattl | webfreak, drop me an email with some contact details and outline of your stuff.. we're always looking for good web people. i do ruby and python as a job and i know php also. |
| 18:24.27 | mattl | webfreak, mattl at gnu dot org |
| 18:24.38 | webfreak | mattl: cool, will do |
| 18:25.05 | hobophobe | GNU should open a University some day |
| 18:25.12 | mattl | GNUniversity? ;) |
| 18:25.13 | webfreak | yeah. |
| 18:25.15 | webfreak | haha |
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| 18:25.27 | tha_guy | :-D |
| 18:25.40 | mattl | hobophobe, give us some money! ;) |
| 18:25.43 | fasta | hobophobe: I convinced the machine to work :) |
| 18:25.55 | hobophobe | mattl, if I ever have any, you can bet I will :o) |
| 18:25.57 | jsn | Since my last upgrade, when firefox starts up, I get a dialog titled "Unnamed" with no text, and two slivers of buttons, unlabelled, each about 5 pixels tall and normal width. Any ideas? |
| 18:26.00 | fasta | hobophobe: now, I only hope it does the correct thing. |
| 18:26.08 | webfreak | yeah, in college != money |
| 18:26.09 | jsn | I don't see any new bugs at bugs.debian.org/firefox |
| 18:26.15 | mattl | hobophobe, aw, thanks dude. do you drink beer? |
| 18:26.16 | Charminthemoose | is there a list of the various network drivers that are availible in the netinst.iso? |
| 18:26.31 | fasta | Regarding "OSS projects", please fix the existing software, before you add features. |
| 18:26.32 | hobophobe | jsn, mattl seem to have just had same problem? |
| 18:26.44 | jsn | Great, I hope. |
| 18:26.45 | mattl | jsn, yeah, i had that. |
| 18:26.52 | jsn | Love that past tense! |
| 18:27.03 | mattl | jsn, i installed the 1.99 beta. i don't know about fixing it for 1.5 |
| 18:27.20 | jsn | Tell me I don't lose my passwords. |
| 18:27.23 | jsn | , please. |
| 18:27.26 | mattl | jsn, nah you don't |
| 18:27.29 | jsn | :-D |
| 18:27.34 | mattl | make a backup of .mozilla first though |
| 18:28.36 | jsn | Do you have any idea what to look for in bugs? |
| 18:28.58 | fasta | jsn: what do you mean? |
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| 18:29.15 | mattl | jsn, i think it's a sid thing. it'll probably be fixed tomorrow. if you're impatient, install 1.99, if you're more patient, wait and use another browser. |
| 18:29.18 | ogu | hello |
| 18:29.24 | mattl | jsn, you are running sid, right? |
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| 18:29.28 | Zap-W | bananas! |
| 18:29.35 | Zap-W | bananas |
| 18:29.35 | ogu | i have a problem to start cyrus on etch: Starting Cyrus IMAPd: /etc/init.d/cyrus2.2: line 168: !check_status: command not found |
| 18:30.04 | jsn | Yes, sid. I'm fairly impatient, and, in any event, look forward to a firefox upgrade. I wasn't entirely happy with it. |
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| 18:30.44 | mattl | jsn, i couldn't find 1.99 in apt-cache, so i grabbed the deb from the mirror and installed that. |
| 18:30.47 | jsn | I don't see the 1.99 packages yet, though. You have the proper name? |
| 18:30.54 | ogu | has someone any ideas to fix it ? |
| 18:31.06 | mattl | ogu, to fix Firefox? |
| 18:31.15 | ogu | i have a problem to start cyrus on etch: Starting Cyrus IMAPd: /etc/init.d/cyrus2.2: line 168: !check_status: command not found |
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| 18:31.51 | ogu | mattl, any ideas ? |
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| 18:32.04 | elik_laptop | Hello, I'm not too used to the package manager. I have dependencies errors. I need to install a new version of perl-base but a package seems to keep me from doing it as it relies on an older version |
| 18:32.10 | mattl | ogu, what does line 168 of that file say? |
| 18:32.23 | LinuxHelp | Does anybody know of an ftp client that can do recursive file searching? |
| 18:32.24 | ogu | line 168: if !check_status ; then |
| 18:32.41 | mattl | elik_laptop, okay.. try this - apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (as root) |
| 18:33.03 | samrat | will etch support XGL |
| 18:33.04 | mattl | elik_laptop, that should make sure you're all up to date.. if you try again then, it should just work. |
| 18:33.35 | elik_laptop | mattl, dist-upgrade? what is different than upgarde all straight? |
| 18:33.56 | mattl | elik_laptop, i forget. i always just do dist-upgrade - it does something extra. |
| 18:34.42 | jsn | I don't know the technical details, but if there is a major upgrade, it often needs a dist-upgrade |
| 18:34.54 | elik_laptop | mattl, not working |
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| 18:35.02 | jsn | Or perhaps an upgrade that needs to remove some packages. (it will ask if you accept, of course) |
| 18:35.20 | elik_laptop | mattl, I started messing with the packages, tried to force remove the older package |
| 18:35.29 | jsn | elik_laptop, join #flood and paste the error (if it is more than 1 line, anyway) |
| 18:35.40 | elik_laptop | jsn, it is |
| 18:36.04 | jsn | As the topic says: NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster |
| 18:36.36 | jsn | Have you tried apt-get -f install? |
| 18:36.45 | elik_laptop | Yeah, I used the website before, but I pasted tons of stuff on #flood |
| 18:36.58 | jsn | I see it. |
| 18:40.18 | Jav4 | yesterday i upgraded my debian sid... now i've just rebooted and i've some problems... |
| 18:40.30 | jsn | Don't chat in flood, folks, just flood there. |
| 18:40.41 | jsn | elik_laptop, remove digikit and try again. |
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| 18:41.17 | elik_laptop | jsn, I remove it with apt-get remove digikit... will I be able to reinstall after that? |
| 18:41.24 | jsn | of course |
| 18:41.25 | elik_laptop | jsn, cause I need digikit |
| 18:41.29 | jsn | apt-get install digikit afterwards |
| 18:41.29 | elik_laptop | jsn, I try it |
| 18:41.32 | Jav4 | in /dev/ there are only few devices... i can't find mouse, modem etc etc (i've problem only whith these 2 for now, but `ls /dev` print a really short list) |
| 18:41.58 | Jav4 | rebooting with a 2.6.8 kernel i find /dev/modem and i'm able to connect to internet |
| 18:41.58 | jsn | elik_laptop, perl is very central to a lot of debian, very difficult (impossible?) to remove |
| 18:42.10 | elik_laptop | ok |
| 18:42.13 | Jav4 | ...any ideas? |
| 18:42.39 | hobophobe | Jav4, did you upgrade udev? |
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| 18:42.45 | hobophobe | udevinfo -V |
| 18:42.46 | jsn | Jav4: I suck at device stuff. You using udev? |
| 18:42.59 | hobophobe | there was a problem with a recent sid upgrade of udev for me, it may be the cause. |
| 18:43.07 | Jav4 | with 2.6.16 i'm using udev, yes |
| 18:43.07 | elik_laptop | jsn, here is the result of remove |
| 18:43.18 | jsn | Try remove with purge |
| 18:43.29 | Jav4 | uhm... ok |
| 18:43.44 | elik_laptop | jsn, how should I do that? |
| 18:43.59 | hobophobe | Jav4, I'm not sure if it's been resolved. I haven't tried reupgrading yet. I fell back to 0.98 |
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| 18:44.08 | elik_laptop | jsn, can you plz type my name at beginning of message? helps to find messages |
| 18:44.13 | Jav4 | oh, ok :) |
| 18:44.21 | Jav4 | uhm... how can i downgrade udev? :F |
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| 18:45.19 | elik_laptop | jsn, --purge is the option, but reading man apt-get doesnt realy help understanding how it wil help |
| 18:45.23 | asg | Jav4: get the previous deb from snapshot.debian.net |
| 18:45.25 | jsn | elik_laptop, apt-get --purge remove digikit |
| 18:45.47 | Jav4 | ok, thanks, i'll try :) |
| 18:46.02 | dan2 | asg! |
| 18:46.07 | elik_laptop | jsn, flood again... didnt work |
| 18:46.35 | jsn | You don't have to repeat the whole thing each time, geesh. |
| 18:47.04 | elik_laptop | jsn, sry, just trying to paste as much stuff as I can |
| 18:47.21 | elik_laptop | jsn, it often turns out that the information needed is the one you though was useless :P |
| 18:48.01 | jsn | yah, I think that only applies to _new_ information, not the same old Bush-speak every day |
| 18:48.53 | jsn | and pretty much the same things happens when you apt-get install perl-base? |
| 18:49.09 | elik_laptop | yeah |
| 18:49.16 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 18:49.17 | elik_laptop | same as if I apt-get -f install |
| 18:49.22 | dan2 | !ninja |
| 18:49.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ninja is http://www.ninjatune.net, or or ninjas..., everywhere! |
| 18:49.26 | dan2 | damn it |
| 18:49.29 | elik_laptop | So it seems like I'm in an endless loop |
| 18:49.31 | asg | dan2: doing good you? |
| 18:49.32 | stoned | ninjas man |
| 18:49.35 | stoned | they are cool |
| 18:49.35 | dan2 | asg, great here |
| 18:49.42 | asg | glad to hear it |
| 18:49.43 | fasta | elik_laptop: don't worry it will end |
| 18:49.45 | stoned | they can like, flip out anytime, and are like all cool |
| 18:49.48 | Jav4 | downgrading udev from 0.100-1 to 0.093-1. -> ok, done... restarting :) |
| 18:50.08 | jsn | Any package but digikit you've seen specifically mentioned? |
| 18:50.08 | stoned | they can flip out and kill you and you wouldn't even know it until you were dead |
| 18:50.08 | stoned | or something |
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| 18:50.34 | jsn | Too bad about the invention of photography, bullets and motion detectors. Really puts a cramp on ninja-style |
| 18:50.40 | elik_laptop | jsn, this perl-base thing and all dependencies |
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| 18:50.47 | elik_laptop | fasta, when I type it often enough??? |
| 18:50.50 | jsn | I meant optional packages |
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| 18:51.12 | elik_laptop | no, only one I saw |
| 18:51.28 | jsn | <mattl> elik_laptop, okay, try this... go to your mirror and find the .deb for sarge5 for your arch and wget it and then use 'dpkg -i <file>' to install manual. |
| 18:51.31 | stoned | jsn, you've never seen Batman Begins |
| 18:51.35 | mackss | hey guys i am having a hard time getting my time to stick after a reboot (pun intended) |
| 18:51.35 | stoned | ? |
| 18:51.36 | jsn | Did you try that? |
| 18:51.47 | elik_laptop | jsn, no, I didnt |
| 18:51.48 | stoned | mackss, install ntpdate |
| 18:51.50 | jsn | stoned: i saw parts of it. |
| 18:51.56 | mackss | i have changed the time properly and done hwclock --systohc |
| 18:52.03 | mackss | stoned what is that? |
| 18:52.05 | wols | mackss: man hwclock |
| 18:52.10 | mackss | wols i did |
| 18:52.11 | wols | especially --systohc |
| 18:52.16 | elik_laptop | jsn, I'll try it out, but I doubt it will change the result |
| 18:52.18 | stoned | !ntp |
| 18:52.19 | dpkg | i guess ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 18:52.29 | webfreak | mackss: have you tried.. nevermind |
| 18:52.40 | webfreak | stoned hit !ntp mid sentence |
| 18:52.50 | stoned | huh? |
| 18:52.53 | stoned | oh |
| 18:52.59 | webfreak | i was going to suggest that ;) |
| 18:53.02 | stoned | I'm very much high |
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| 18:53.25 | vin` | ninja flipped ntp and killed time. |
| 18:53.31 | webfreak | asg: hah |
| 18:53.39 | stoned | haha |
| 18:53.45 | stoned | sell? |
| 18:53.45 | mackss | Running ntpdate to synchronize clockError : Name or service not known |
| 18:53.45 | mackss | . |
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| 18:54.04 | Jav4 | ehy :D i'm on xchat... downgrading udev worked |
| 18:54.07 | Jav4 | thanks :* |
| 18:54.12 | stoned | mackss, you've got the Y2K bug |
| 18:54.17 | webfreak | oh noes! |
| 18:54.19 | stoned | lol |
| 18:54.21 | asg | mackss: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 18:54.22 | stoned | j/k |
| 18:54.31 | stoned | you could've read the fucking factoid |
| 18:54.46 | Bonkers | what is the recommended way of installing the nvidia kenrel/glx drivers on debian unstable? the only kernel available is 2.6.17-2, but the nvidia drivers are for 2.6.17-1 |
| 18:54.48 | webfreak | rtff - the new rtfm |
| 18:54.54 | stoned | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:54.54 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 18:55.01 | mackss | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.11 | zamolxes | hi. I made a local mirror with debmirror, but I don't know how to use it to install another box |
| 18:55.19 | elik_laptop | jsn, nope, same old same old |
| 18:55.21 | stoned | Bonkers, basically just compile the module with m-a |
| 18:55.23 | webfreak | uh |
| 18:55.40 | mackss | asg, with that installed will my box now sync automatically at boot? |
| 18:55.42 | Bonkers | ok, thanks |
| 18:55.52 | jsn | I'm afraid I'm not really that good at this stuff, but I've had enough troubles in the past that I can often get by |
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| 18:55.57 | zamolxes | i tried putting it /debian in the webserver root , but doesn't seem to work |
| 18:55.57 | jsn | , elik_laptop |
| 18:56.05 | elik_laptop | jsn, alright, thx for trying |
| 18:56.09 | asg | mackss: check /etc/default/ntpdate for the defaults. If correctly set, it will sync your time on boot. |
| 18:56.13 | elik_laptop | jsn, I'll post again |
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| 18:56.23 | jsn | So, do you think mattl is a govvie? |
| 18:56.32 | webfreak | jsn: definitely |
| 18:56.40 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 18:56.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 18:56.40 | webfreak | ;) |
| 18:56.43 | stoned | ^^ |
| 18:56.49 | asg | mackss: for serious time tweakage, it's generally better to just run ntpd all the time. |
| 18:56.52 | webfreak | just kidding |
| 18:56.56 | mackss | asg the config looks very basic |
| 18:57.20 | stoned | factoid db is a great place to search for stuff. It aslo has a great web interface ala stew |
| 18:57.33 | jsn | Just because I seem paranoid... |
| 18:57.36 | asg | mackss: there isn't much to it. Just point ntpdate at a timeserver and run /etc/init.d/ntpdate start |
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| 18:57.52 | stoned | asg == A Scary Guy |
| 18:57.56 | stoned | ahaha, /me runs |
| 18:58.04 | asg | stoned: only when I haven't shaved |
| 18:58.06 | stoned | lol |
| 18:58.11 | elik_laptop | Hello, I'm having problems with the package manager... basically, I'm stuck in an infinite loop trying to update pacakge perl-base |
| 18:58.12 | mackss | asg how does the timezone get checked? |
| 18:58.20 | asg | mackss: man tzconfig |
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| 18:58.50 | stoned | oh my |
| 18:58.53 | stoned | GOD |
| 18:59.01 | stoned | I just saw the MOST gigantic jugs in the universe |
| 18:59.06 | stoned | DOUBLE H!! |
| 18:59.09 | fasta | elik_laptop: I was making a rather bad joke. |
| 18:59.12 | asg | stoned: in a German Beer Hall? |
| 18:59.20 | stoned | on discovery channel, she is going into surgury to get her breasts reduced |
| 18:59.24 | stoned | its causing her severe backpain |
| 18:59.27 | stoned | hahaha |
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| 18:59.49 | stoned | CHodapp, I have an idea, go fuck yourself |
| 18:59.51 | stoned | :) |
| 18:59.56 | elik_laptop | fasta, lol, dont worry |
| 18:59.58 | CHodapp | I have an idea, don't IRC WHILE STONED! |
| 19:00.06 | stoned | CHodapp, /ignore stoned and stfu |
| 19:00.08 | stoned | kthx |
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| 19:00.29 | mackss | asg, is EDT just EST + Dyalight savings time? |
| 19:00.37 | mackss | *Daylight |
| 19:00.38 | asg | mackss: yes |
| 19:00.48 | jsn | INTELLIGENT DESIGN PROVED! Everyone's DNA is signed with "Written by God, 4th Grade DNA class" |
| 19:00.50 | mackss | ok well it says the timezone is set properly |
| 19:01.07 | CHodapp | Yeah, jsn... |
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| 19:01.11 | realist | stoned: why don't you direct idle chatter to #freenode-social? :-) |
| 19:01.22 | mackss | asg, whats weird is every time i would reboot my box the time would be ahead by 3 hours |
| 19:01.28 | Charminthemoose | is there anyway to find out what particular modules are needed for my router? |
| 19:01.33 | asg | mackss: check your BIOS clock |
| 19:01.47 | mackss | hwclock is set properly |
| 19:02.17 | mackss | before reboot |
| 19:02.17 | stoned | Charminthemoose, router? |
| 19:02.30 | stoned | Charminthemoose, you plug your machine into the router and configure the router |
| 19:02.33 | stoned | Charminthemoose, what are you trying to do? |
| 19:03.28 | webfreak | has anyone gotten gnome-art-manager to work? |
| 19:03.31 | asg | dan2: well, gotta jet. Things to do. Talk later ... good luck with the project. |
| 19:03.41 | dan2 | cya man |
| 19:03.44 | dan2 | have fun at the pub |
| 19:03.44 | stoned | later man |
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| 19:04.16 | Charminthemoose | i'm trying to do a net install but the debian installer(i'm booting from my hd with the mini net install files) doesn't find my router |
| 19:04.31 | muhoo | wow, google maps crashes firefox (sarge) |
| 19:04.52 | dr_wut | you'll have to do a base set up then when you're in, dhclient and apt-get everything |
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| 19:05.41 | stoned | if you do a netinstall, during the configure the network part, just manually specify eveyrthing if you don't have dhcpd running on router |
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| 19:06.15 | stoned | I've got static dhcp setup based on mac ID |
| 19:06.33 | teardrop | does anyone know of a pdf viewer that will print all pdfs in a directory with a single command |
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| 19:08.08 | Charminthemoose | i have dhcp running |
| 19:08.22 | Charminthemoose | is this possible: |
| 19:08.32 | webfreak | no |
| 19:08.55 | Charminthemoose | DOwnload the hd media kernel and initrd and search the hd and then use the netinst iso? |
| 19:09.09 | drovendam | Hello, I am curious why BitTorrent is still at 3.4.2 even in Sid. I looked at the package database on debian.org. |
| 19:09.14 | stoned | Charminthemoose, have you read the debian installation manual |
| 19:09.20 | Charminthemoose | yeah |
| 19:09.27 | stoned | Charminthemoose, please read sections 4 & 5 of the install guide |
| 19:09.28 | stoned | !install guide |
| 19:09.29 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
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| 19:14.25 | mrbrdo | how do i change the name of the box? |
| 19:14.40 | stoned | /etc/hostname |
| 19:14.42 | blondie | you mean the hostname? |
| 19:14.51 | stoned | ymm |
| 19:14.53 | stoned | doh |
| 19:15.00 | blondie | and edit /etc/hosts |
| 19:15.02 | mrbrdo | i did change that |
| 19:15.08 | mrbrdo | but it didn't take effect in the shell line |
| 19:15.10 | mrbrdo | i did relog |
| 19:15.14 | stoned | hostname blah |
| 19:15.17 | stoned | man hostname |
| 19:15.18 | mrbrdo | let me try hosts too |
| 19:15.32 | blondie | mrbrdo: it wont change unless you reboot or type "hostname newhostname" |
| 19:15.37 | mrbrdo | oh |
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| 19:15.40 | mrbrdo | thanks blondie |
| 19:15.51 | blondie | but edit hosts :P |
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| 19:16.04 | stoned | blondie, how blond are you |
| 19:16.08 | blondie | 0 |
| 19:16.11 | blondie | in fact |
| 19:16.18 | blondie | I have some blue-black dye I bought today |
| 19:16.19 | blondie | hmm |
| 19:16.39 | stoned | well you're the first smart enough blond I've come across |
| 19:16.41 | elik_laptop | Hello, I'm having problems updating perl-base package... I had a package needing it, digikit. I tried to remove this package temporarly while updating the package and then reinstalling it... now apt-get is complaining about the fact a package needs digikit... |
| 19:16.41 | stoned | :D |
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| 19:16.58 | elik_laptop | I dont realy what to uninstall my whole tree just to update a single freakin package |
| 19:17.34 | webfreak | elik_laptop: have you tried apt-get -f? |
| 19:18.01 | mrbrdo | is /root/.bash_profile supposed to take effect when you su to root? cause it doesn't seem to here -_- |
| 19:18.39 | stoned | mrbrdo, .bashrc |
| 19:18.48 | stoned | source .bashrc in .bash_profile |
| 19:18.57 | webfreak | i'm out, lunch then studying |
| 19:19.12 | webfreak | later. |
| 19:19.21 | stoned | !bashrc |
| 19:19.21 | dpkg | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. |
| 19:19.58 | elik_laptop | webfreak, yes, I tried, but apt-get is kinda jammed |
| 19:19.58 | henk | I have an asus server that has two maxtor 400GB disks in it, One of the disks gave me a lot of issues the last couple of days, I've now switched to a different BIOS setting for the SATA controller and it "seems" to be ok. I've cleared the disk and ran badblocks with a write patern test on it and that did not show any errors. But I'm still not sure if I want to take it into production. Are there any other tests I can do ? |
| 19:19.59 | elik_laptop | webfreak, complaining about package that are not set to be installed |
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| 19:21.33 | henk | elik_laptop, did you do apt-get update first? And what happens if you do dist-upgrade ? |
| 19:21.57 | elik_laptop | webfreak, if you want to see a paste, you can join #flood |
| 19:22.03 | elik_laptop | henk, I did update |
| 19:22.27 | elik_laptop | henk, dist-upgrade doesnt work neither |
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| 19:22.49 | henk | elik_laptop, have you added any non-standard repos |
| 19:23.06 | elik_laptop | henk, yes, paparazzi |
| 19:23.53 | elik_laptop | henk, which is the cause of the problem... paparazzi-base depends on digikit, which depends on perl-base_blabla_sarge4 and I cant install anything as sarge5 is needed |
| 19:24.54 | blondie | stoned: I'm not blond(e) at all! |
| 19:25.01 | henk | elik_laptop, inform them about the problem, and tell them to fix it.... than download the deb from their repo by hand and install if with dpkg with --force-depends |
| 19:25.04 | blondie | the only time I have been, it was bleached |
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| 19:26.29 | elik_laptop | henk, is it normal that because 2 packages are using 2 versions of a same package I get stuck? |
| 19:26.33 | henk | elik_laptop, tell them they need to fix the control file in their deb to allow versions >= perl4 instead of a fixed version |
| 19:27.15 | elik_laptop | henk, now, I verified with them and they told me this dependency is not needed anymore and is going to be fixed soon |
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| 19:27.53 | elik_laptop | henk, any way I could get to fix my package tree by forcing install of package perl-base sarge5 |
| 19:28.07 | elik_laptop | henk, knowing overridding sarge4 will not cause problems |
| 19:28.27 | henk | you said that sarge5 was installed already ? |
| 19:28.58 | elik_laptop | henk, when I say sarge5, I'm talking about perl-base5.8.4-sarge5 |
| 19:29.06 | Heston | does the ATI driver for xorg 6.8 work on 7.0 ? |
| 19:29.07 | henk | i know, |
| 19:29.33 | elik_laptop | henk, ok, then no, sarge5 is not installed |
| 19:29.44 | elik_laptop | henk, neither is sarge4 now, I forced removed it |
| 19:29.52 | henk | elik_laptop, but let me just get the situation right: your system has perl-sarge5 installed and the upgrade of paparazzi wants to force a downgrade to version sarge 4 ? |
| 19:30.11 | elik_laptop | henk, no, it's the other way around |
| 19:30.12 | henk | hmm ok, than it is a totaly different situation |
| 19:30.20 | elik_laptop | henk, I had sarge4 installed |
| 19:30.41 | elik_laptop | henk, I'm trying to install random stuff, but they need sarge5 |
| 19:31.02 | henk | If i were you I would not force an install of a base package on your system that does not belong on it |
| 19:31.15 | elik_laptop | henk, but it can't update the package because of digikit part of pprz that needs perl-base sarge4 |
| 19:31.21 | henk | you may want to try to force the install of paparazzi, but i whould not do that with perl |
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| 19:32.32 | henk | huh? so they have a system that has multiple packages, some depending on perl-sarge4 and some depending on perl-sarge5 ? |
| 19:32.38 | elik_laptop | henk, ok, now, in my noobness, I tried to force uninstall sarge4 to install srage5 instead |
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| 19:33.41 | Shirakawasuna | hi, I'm thinking of trying out debian but have a couple of questions - first, how easy is it to maintain a debian unstable box? Will I ever need to upgrade via liveCD? |
| 19:33.45 | elik_laptop | henk, no, the other packages I want to install are standard (anjuta, emacs) |
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| 19:33.56 | Nach | How does one go from unstable to testing? |
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| 19:34.14 | wols | you can't |
| 19:34.33 | jsn | I have a new upgrade which seems to have broken firefox on startup. I get a dialog called "Unnamed" and two tiny buttons, about five pixels high, normal width, without text. |
| 19:34.34 | dendrite | Nach: Easy way is to point your sources.list at testing and wait a month. |
| 19:34.49 | elik_laptop | henk, if you have time, I have a log of all commands I tried |
| 19:34.50 | jsn | Nach, you can. |
| 19:34.52 | wols | at least not immediately. the only "proper" way is to stop updating until testing has "catched up" with unstable |
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| 19:35.02 | Nach | there's no way to tell apt to get the latest versions of packages it finds in it's sources and ignoring whatever is currently installed? |
| 19:35.28 | dendrite | Nach: That's basically what would happen if you pointed at testing, from unstable. |
| 19:35.28 | wols | Nach: no |
| 19:35.28 | Nach | jsn, how? |
| 19:35.45 | jsn | Nach, like they said, change your sources.list. I don't know if a month is right or not. |
| 19:35.47 | wols | dendrite: that's not what happens |
| 19:35.56 | Nach | guess I'll debootstap then.... |
| 19:36.04 | Nach | or whatever that's called |
| 19:36.07 | henk | elik_laptop, hmm i think I still dont quite get the problem. Your system had perl-sarge4 installed and you tried to install digikit that needs perl sarge4 ... so where does perl-sarge5 come in ? |
| 19:36.08 | jsn | Anyone else have the firefox issue? |
| 19:36.25 | jsn | Nach: Might be easier to backup /home, install testing, and then restore /home |
| 19:36.26 | wols | jsn: sounds like a corrupted ffox theme |
| 19:36.29 | Miks | Is a 400-500VA UPS good enough for just a standalone PII box and nothing else? |
| 19:36.32 | elik_laptop | henk, just a sec, I'll put somehting on paster |
| 19:36.38 | henk | great |
| 19:36.43 | Blissex | Miks: barely... |
| 19:36.57 | Nach | jsn, I think easiest is installing another Debian on top of Debian |
| 19:37.01 | Blissex | Miks: ask in #hardware more likely to get an answer. |
| 19:37.15 | Miks | They advertise ~ 16 minutes..so I thought it's adequte for an older box..but I do want opinions. |
| 19:37.15 | dendrite | Nach: Do you want to force downgrade of packages that are currently > testing? |
| 19:37.35 | wols | Miks: a 10VA UPS would be good enough. it all depends how long you want your UPS to run in case its needed... |
| 19:37.51 | Shirakawasuna | Miks: for home use, yes |
| 19:37.52 | Nach | dendrite, yes |
| 19:37.53 | elik_laptop | henk, anywhere I can get past log from a gterminal? I only have the last few lines |
| 19:37.58 | jsn | No one else has the firefox issue? I guess i should file a bug |
| 19:38.18 | Shirakawasuna | so, anyone? How easy is it to maintain debian? Would I ever need to use liveCDs after installation? |
| 19:38.19 | dendrite | Nach: Ah. Then you can't really do that reliably, unless you just wait for testing to catch up. |
| 19:38.23 | Miks | Yeah, just looking for ~ 10 mins. Never had a power outage that long; most've been little twitches, but 10 mins would be great. |
| 19:38.35 | henk | elik_laptop, try 'history' |
| 19:38.38 | wols | jsn: have you checked if it isn't a corrupted setting in your theme? |
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| 19:38.51 | elik_laptop | henk, here's a part: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3669 |
| 19:38.59 | dendrite | Shirakawasuna: One normally never needs a live CD to maintain a debian machine. |
| 19:39.00 | wols | Shirakawasuna: why would you need a liveCD? |
| 19:39.02 | Trewas | Miks: should be easily enough, a P2 box is not likely to take more than third of that UPS' maximum wattage |
| 19:39.04 | SpComb | Miks: a 500VA ups keeps my AthlonXP with two hard drives up for 10 minutes |
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| 19:39.25 | Miks | Not bad. |
| 19:39.25 | Shirakawasuna | other distros often use liveCDs for upgrades, etc |
| 19:39.35 | wols | Shirakawasuna: that's stupid |
| 19:39.35 | elik_laptop | henk, hum, ok, it shows last commands, but not their result |
| 19:39.38 | Nach | Edge is testing,r ight? |
| 19:39.44 | Shirakawasuna | wols: of course it is :) |
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| 19:39.50 | elik_laptop | henk, Here is a summerize of the situation |
| 19:40.05 | Nach | er |
| 19:40.05 | wols | debian doesn't need such things, and I really doubt other distros would either. this is not window where all files are locked when they're in use... |
| 19:40.06 | jsn | wols: Is there a "check-if-my-theme-is-corrupted" script? It was working this morning, before the upgrade. |
| 19:40.08 | Nach | Etch* |
| 19:40.15 | Trewas | note to everyone: xVA does not say _anything_ about how long it can output power, it only tells the maximum watts it can steadily output |
| 19:40.22 | wols | jsn: no. but there are other ways |
| 19:40.25 | dendrite | Nach: etch is testing, yes. |
| 19:40.30 | Nach | okay |
| 19:40.33 | henk | elik_laptop, i understand now |
| 19:40.34 | elik_laptop | henk, I tried to install anjuta yesterday, and emacs, also tried an upgrade.. everytime, apt-get complained about perl-base package |
| 19:40.36 | Nach | I'll debbootstrap that then |
| 19:40.38 | Shirakawasuna | other newb question: how customizable are debian packages? I'm asking from a gentoo perspective :) |
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| 19:40.51 | Shirakawasuna | is it easy to do things like add/remove flac support, etc? |
| 19:40.58 | jsn | wols: Know any of these other ways? |
| 19:40.59 | henk | elik_laptop, forcing the uninstall of perl was perhaps one of the worst things you could have done ;) |
| 19:41.02 | wols | Shirakawasuna: not very. there is no USE flags system at all |
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| 19:41.10 | wols | you haev to repackage your debs to customize |
| 19:41.12 | dendrite | Shirakawasuna: Debian packages are binary, unless you apt-get source. |
| 19:41.22 | wols | jsn: make a new user for example |
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| 19:41.36 | wols | force reinstall ffox, etc |
| 19:41.52 | Shirakawasuna | I'm wasn't sure how big the repository size was - I thought there may be flac-enabled and flac-disabled packages, for isntance (just an example) |
| 19:41.53 | jsn | ah, both good ideas, thankx wols |
| 19:42.14 | Shirakawasuna | so i would need to compile from source to get say, flac support if it wasn't in by default? |
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| 19:42.18 | wols | Shirakawasuna: no there aren't. in such a case there is an additional package which enables flac |
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| 19:42.27 | elik_laptop | henk, yeah, I realize it now |
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| 19:42.32 | jsn | wols: let's say, after I start as another user, that it is a theme problem, how do I delete my theme (and just the theme) |
| 19:42.32 | wols | at least if such a setting is possible technically |
| 19:42.45 | Shirakawasuna | wols: yeah, that's what I might expect |
| 19:42.51 | elik_laptop | henk, everything seems to depend on it |
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| 19:43.02 | wols | jsn: just uninstall + purge it and reinstall |
| 19:43.05 | elik_laptop | henk, any way I can put it back in place before my system notice it :P |
| 19:43.10 | elik_laptop | !henk++ |
| 19:43.15 | elik_laptop | !karma henk |
| 19:43.15 | dpkg | henk has karma of 1 |
| 19:43.21 | jsn | Shirakawasuna, apt-get install libflac++5 or libflac7 |
| 19:43.29 | Shirakawasuna | wols: so how much time would you say you'd spend if you upgraded your packages (or whatever you call them, sorry) weekly? |
| 19:43.34 | Shirakawasuna | wols: with debian testing |
| 19:43.46 | jsn | wols: I really don't, almost _can't_, lose the new passwords from today that my browser remembers. |
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| 19:44.06 | wols | updating from repositories? maybe 10 minutes, 15 minutes. depends how fast your network connection is |
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| 19:44.36 | wols | jsn: what have your passwords to do with your theme settings? ever heard of something called "backups"? |
| 19:44.39 | Shirakawasuna | wols: what are the most common hangups? In gentoo you can have problems updating confs, etc |
| 19:44.49 | henk | elik_laptop, you may be able to download the perl-base dep from the repo and install with dpkg |
| 19:45.24 | elik_laptop | I did download sarge5 package |
| 19:45.24 | wols | Shirakawasuna: using non official repositories with shoddily made packages or using testing/unstable and something breaks |
| 19:45.36 | Shirakawasuna | wols: does testing often break? |
| 19:45.41 | wols | henk: dpkg depends on perl-base IIRC |
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| 19:45.52 | Shirakawasuna | wols: I couldn't stand using something as old as stable for desktop use :) |
| 19:45.59 | wols | Shirakawasuna: not really. I'd say about as often as many other distro's "stable" versions |
| 19:46.26 | henk | elik_laptop, great, o please tell me first what version of debian you are running ? |
| 19:46.35 | wols | unstable doesn't mean it's crash prone tbw. debian has a very different terminology for its branches |
| 19:46.38 | Shirakawasuna | wols: Very cool. Thanks for all the help, I'm going to install debian testing on my next box - probably when the next release comes out |
| 19:46.41 | elik_laptop | henk, Sarege |
| 19:46.43 | elik_laptop | sarge |
| 19:46.57 | wols | Shirakawasuna: what release? testing never has a release |
| 19:46.59 | dendrite | Shirakawasuna: In theory, unstable is where the breakage happens. Packages move to testing only after the breakage is sorted out. In theory. It works pretty well. |
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| 19:47.14 | elik_laptop | henk, I found perl-base (5.8.4-8sarge5) which is the one I want to install |
| 19:47.22 | elik_laptop | henk, but the one I had was sarge4 |
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| 19:47.57 | Teltariat | Hotplug or udev? |
| 19:48.03 | Shirakawasuna | wols: sorry, not familiar with it in general. I was just waiting for the December release - is that only for stable? |
| 19:48.13 | dendrite | Shirakawasuna: Current stable is sarge. Current testing is etch. When etch is released, it'll be stable, and testing will get a new name. |
| 19:48.13 | Shirakawasuna | dendrite: cool |
| 19:48.20 | elik_laptop | henk, as for what wols said, dpkg still seems to be working... although I didnt try to reboot yet |
| 19:48.21 | wols | Shirakawasuna: yes. in december current testing becomes the stable branch. |
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| 19:48.31 | henk | elik_laptop, ok never mind, just try dpkg --force-depends -i perl-base-sarge5.deb |
| 19:48.32 | abrotman | hopefully ... |
| 19:48.39 | Animule | HI EVERY1 WOTS UR ASL? |
| 19:48.43 | henk | elik_laptop, dont reboot |
| 19:48.49 | Shirakawasuna | wols: so debian releases stable about every 7-8 months? |
| 19:48.53 | abrotman | Animule: this is not a social channel |
| 19:49.15 | wols | abrotman: doubters will be executed. "cowardice in the face of looming release dates" is the charge |
| 19:49.20 | dendrite | At times it's decidedly anti-social. :P |
| 19:49.20 | Shirakawasuna | wols: ah, interesting: how easy is it to go from stable to testing? |
| 19:49.22 | elik_laptop | henk, so I force install the new one |
| 19:49.25 | wols | Shirakawasuna: about every 18 to 36 months |
| 19:49.27 | xplic1t | new install: i'm doing an apt-get install but it is failing 'temporary failure resolving mirrors.kernel.org' ... is this really temporary or have i messed up my network settings? |
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| 19:49.50 | wols | Shirakawasuna: vrey very easy. edit a single line in a file. apt-get update;apt-get dist-uppgrade. done |
| 19:50.03 | jelly-home | wols: when was the last time it took only 18 months? |
| 19:50.03 | abrotman | wols: i'd rather have it work than done ... we keep telling people Ubuntu is not debian .. we should not aspire to have a broken release :) |
| 19:50.04 | Shirakawasuna | wols: cool. I imagine downgrading is harder but I wouldn't want to by then |
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| 19:50.19 | Shirakawasuna | wols: again, thanks for answering my newb questions |
| 19:50.21 | SpComb | xplic1t: I can resolve it fine here, check your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:50.22 | wols | Shirakawasuna: downgrading is not possible |
| 19:50.28 | henk | elik_laptop, yes it is the current stable |
| 19:50.30 | elik_laptop | henk, I install it from my local .deb file |
| 19:50.37 | henk | elik_laptop, yes |
| 19:51.07 | Animule | NE1 4 CYB3R??????????????????????? |
| 19:51.07 | elik_laptop | henk, join flood a few seconds |
| 19:51.14 | Shirakawasuna | wols: ah, another question: If I let my box sit for 6 months would it be a simple process of upgrading still? With gentoo monthly updates are just about necessary |
| 19:51.18 | elik_laptop | henk, It printed out some errors |
| 19:51.21 | abrotman | Animule: you're in the wrong channel. |
| 19:51.30 | Charminthemoose | i am the 1337 h4xor! |
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| 19:51.41 | Charminthemoose | not really |
| 19:51.42 | dendrite | Shirakawasuna: Yes, one can go a long way between upgrades. |
| 19:51.45 | Charminthemoose | but i wish i was... |
| 19:51.46 | abrotman | Shirakawasuna: three strikes you're out ? :) |
| 19:51.49 | Animule | I <3 LINEX USERZ |
| 19:52.01 | Animule | :D |
| 19:52.02 | abrotman | !ops Animule is looking for love in all the wrong places |
| 19:52.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: Animule is looking for love in all the wrong places |
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| 19:52.05 | Shirakawasuna | very cool |
| 19:52.09 | Shirakawasuna | definitely going to try debian |
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| 19:52.18 | wols | Shirakawasuna: it will be easy normally yes. getting a debian box in a non upgradeable state is possible but I've only seen it with boxes 2 stable versions back trying to get current again |
| 19:52.29 | jsn | wols: Wasn't a theme issue :( |
| 19:52.30 | Animule | Lookin' for love, in all the wrong places |
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| 19:52.34 | Animule | Lookin' for love, in too many faces |
| 19:52.35 | edju | Any problem in debian compiling vanilla kerenl.org kernels? Or does debian offer patched kernels which are somehow necessary? |
| 19:52.36 | wols | jsn: what then? |
| 19:52.42 | Shirakawasuna | it seems to have a very good open-sourcey/free spirit, too |
| 19:52.45 | jsn | wols: I guess I'll file a bug report. |
| 19:52.47 | wols | edju: vanilla kernels are fine |
| 19:52.52 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 19:52.55 | peterS | Animule: enough |
| 19:53.00 | wols | jsn: I doubt it will help you, but go ahead |
| 19:53.01 | Animule | heheh |
| 19:53.06 | abrotman | !beer peterS |
| 19:53.12 | jsn | wols: I'm open to other ideas, of course |
| 19:53.15 | Animule | I am rather amused I've gone this long without +b |
| 19:53.24 | henk | elik_laptop, try adding --force-overwrite |
| 19:53.30 | Shirakawasuna | wols: hmm, you'd think they could've upgraded one release and then the other... |
| 19:53.32 | jsn | apt-get --purge remove firefox && apt-get install firefox, wols? |
| 19:53.33 | dendrite | Animule: We really don't like +b, it is a sad thing. |
| 19:53.44 | Shirakawasuna | wols: of course I'd be updating more often than every 4-5 years ;) |
| 19:53.45 | abrotman | Animule: you're trying for an intentional ban ? |
| 19:53.49 | dendrite | Animule: We are not out to hurt people here. |
| 19:53.50 | peterS | Animule: we prefer asking people nicely to stop being stupid. could you do that, then? |
| 19:53.54 | *** part/#debian stoops (i=stoops@gateway/tor/x-54a0313b9b194192) |
| 19:53.59 | Animule | Oh, I *can*. |
| 19:54.05 | SpComb | but you won't? |
| 19:54.05 | Animule | I can do anything. |
| 19:54.11 | wols | jsn: imho yes. your own settings are in your /home and safe. but you can always make a bakcup of it first |
| 19:54.13 | Animule | :D |
| 19:54.13 | elik_laptop | henk, ok, seems to be there |
| 19:54.14 | Charminthemoose | no you can't |
| 19:54.22 | Animule | Yes, I can. |
| 19:54.25 | Charminthemoose | can you swallow a bicycle? |
| 19:54.26 | Animule | I can do *ANYTHING*. |
| 19:54.31 | Charminthemoose | didnt' think so |
| 19:54.34 | abrotman | can you shutup already? |
| 19:54.38 | tapple | !alsa one-liner |
| 19:54.38 | dpkg | i heard alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 19:54.40 | peterS | Animule: yeah, so shut up now, please, unless you are going to say something debian-related |
| 19:54.40 | henk | elik_laptop, now what happens if you do another apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 19:54.45 | Animule | uhm |
| 19:54.50 | elik_laptop | henk, looking it up in a few |
| 19:54.57 | elik_laptop | henk, refetching digikit first |
| 19:54.58 | Animule | Will debian support my USB-controlled vibrator? |
| 19:55.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 662] by debhelper |
| 19:55.02 | dendrite | OK People, don't feed the trolls. |
| 19:55.02 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-67-190-176-86.hsd1.co.comcast.net] by peterS |
| 19:55.32 | elik_laptop | henk, now, if you have a few more minutes, I'd like to understand what happenned from the beginnig (lern from errors) |
| 19:55.34 | wols | peterS: you need more of a BoFH attitude. people like him need fast bans |
| 19:55.44 | abrotman | ban wols! |
| 19:55.56 | jsn | tear down the wol |
| 19:55.58 | peterS | wols: you can't always tell, some people really do stop acting like morons when you ask nicely |
| 19:56.07 | jsn | ;) |
| 19:56.16 | peterS | wols: those would be the ones over the age of 13, I guess |
| 19:56.30 | wols | abrotman: of I might deserve banning, but I'm sly. I always skirt just under the radar. barely |
| 19:56.43 | wols | -of |
| 19:56.44 | henk | elik_laptop, you are trying to install packages that are maintained by idiots ;) |
| 19:56.48 | abrotman | wols: i don't know what you're talking about :) |
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| 19:57.09 | elik_laptop | henk, hum, wait untill I tell them that :P |
| 19:57.10 | wols | but I'm on IRC, so no one notices |
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| 19:57.23 | elik_laptop | henk, honestly, they are pretty good, but maybe not good with packages |
| 19:57.26 | Charminthemoose | is it humanely possible to do a network install via a netopia model 3347NWG? |
| 19:57.27 | edju | In a stock install. does the kernel source come down as well as the kernel itself? |
| 19:57.41 | roxy_ | I got granule that seg fault as soon as I start it. What can I do to find out where the problem comes from ? |
| 19:57.45 | wols | elik_laptop: perl-base is a base package. you MUST have it. so how did you manage to deinstall it? |
| 19:57.45 | flame_ | hmm, im having a nightmarish problem with apt-get and exim4 :S its not playing fair :/ |
| 19:57.47 | tarzeau | hi abrotman |
| 19:57.50 | elik_laptop | henk, the whole source of problem is the fact my package is depending on a fixed version of a package, right? like =5.8.4bla |
| 19:57.50 | peterS | yeah, I contemplated kicking the tard, but they usually leave on their own given a little time, meanwhile I thought it might be amusing for him to see our estimates of his intelligence level |
| 19:57.51 | abrotman | hi |
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| 19:58.01 | tarzeau | !qotd |
| 19:58.01 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 19:58.01 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:58.01 | dpkg | < FieldySnuts> someone who realizes this may get them severely larted do this: -!- sgeigerbot [n=user@h216-170-007-123.adsl.navix.net] has joined #debian |
| 19:58.01 | Charminthemoose | or better still,boot the netinstall iso? |
| 19:58.01 | flame_ | anyone feel like offering me a helping hand? :] |
| 19:58.07 | elik_laptop | wols, you can always force stuff :D |
| 19:58.13 | henk | elik_laptop, no |
| 19:58.13 | wols | before you can remove it, you have to tell dpkg about 10 times "yes I'm an idiot who wants to amputate his foot, arms and head at once". |
| 19:58.15 | tarzeau | flame_: to do what? |
| 19:58.21 | flame_ | sort out exim4 :S |
| 19:58.30 | elik_laptop | wols, not if you force |
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| 19:58.32 | henk | I thought that was the case when i first understood it 'the other way around' |
| 19:58.34 | tarzeau | flame_: new smtp? |
| 19:58.34 | flame_ | for one, its not installing |
| 19:58.40 | tarzeau | flame_: get postfix |
| 19:58.44 | elik_laptop | henk, apt-get upgarde worked just fine |
| 19:58.51 | flame_ | postfix > exim4? |
| 19:58.54 | elik_laptop | henk, what was my source of problems in the first place then? |
| 19:58.56 | tarzeau | flame_: yes |
| 19:59.06 | flame_ | hmm :] is it as easy to setup? :] |
| 19:59.07 | elik_laptop | henk, I'll tell the maintainers to update it |
| 19:59.14 | tarzeau | flame_: easier afaik |
| 19:59.22 | flame_ | hmm :] hmmk |
| 19:59.22 | elik_laptop | !henk++ |
| 19:59.47 | wols | flame_: yes. some people prefer the way exim is set up, some prefer postifx. I like postfix better, never got the hang of exim |
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| 20:00.09 | flame_ | same here, i was looking at tutorials for setting up exim last night |
| 20:00.13 | flame_ | every one was different :/ |
| 20:00.24 | roxy_ | tarzeau: if you're feeling helpfull, I can take some advices too :-) |
| 20:00.30 | jsn | what's the CLI bug submitter program? i forgot. |
| 20:00.33 | tarzeau | roxy_: on what? |
| 20:00.37 | LinuxHelp | Does anybody know of an ftp client that can do recursive file searching? |
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| 20:00.41 | tarzeau | jsn: reportbug |
| 20:00.45 | jsn | thx, tarzeau |
| 20:00.46 | wols | jsn: apt-cache search reportbug |
| 20:00.47 | henk | elik_laptop, the package by digikit supplied perl5.8 in the same dir that debian want to. If a package comes with perl (because they need some newer version) that the OS does not supply they should put it somewhere else |
| 20:00.49 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: lftp |
| 20:00.58 | wols | LinuxHelp: file searching? with a ftp client? |
| 20:01.04 | tarzeau | wols: yes, lftp |
| 20:01.13 | henk | that was a bad sentence i hope you understood it :) |
| 20:01.16 | wols | tarzeau: search is what archie's for |
| 20:01.28 | tarzeau | wols: i mean like find |
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| 20:01.37 | wols | I mean like find too :) |
| 20:01.38 | roxy_ | tarzeau: I have the granule package. At work on testing it works without problem. At home on unstable it gives a segmentation fault. On both it is using the same version. |
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| 20:02.07 | roxy_ | tarzeau: I just don't know where is the problem :( |
| 20:02.07 | wols | roxy_: some lib it depends on is probably not the same |
| 20:02.09 | tarzeau | roxy_: checked bts yet? |
| 20:02.11 | Charminthemoose | can i directly boot from one of the isos? |
| 20:02.16 | roxy_ | tarzeau: yes |
| 20:02.18 | Charminthemoose | from the hd |
| 20:02.19 | tapple | I ran m-a auto-install alsa to install alsa modules. Why is there only one module (soundcore.ko) in /lib/modules/2.6.16-2006-09-05/kernel/sound/ |
| 20:02.21 | tarzeau | roxy_: you can try to run it using gdb always or strace/ltrace |
| 20:02.24 | wols | Charminthemoose: yes |
| 20:02.26 | jsn | Is three lines too much to flood? I've got a bug in reportbug |
| 20:02.27 | Charminthemoose | with out a cdrom? |
| 20:02.30 | elik_laptop | henk, ok, so I should tell them that digikit should have perl-base version whatever installed in a custom dir |
| 20:02.32 | wols | Charminthemoose: you can boot via loadlin |
| 20:02.37 | tarzeau | jsn: put it in one line |
| 20:02.40 | LinuxHelp | lftp is nice.. just looking for the file-find feature |
| 20:02.43 | wols | but not from the ISOs |
| 20:02.44 | roxy_ | tarzeau: I try strace but don't understand it. I'll paste it. |
| 20:02.52 | tarzeau | roxy_: paste an url to it |
| 20:02.54 | Charminthemoose | oh |
| 20:02.57 | jsn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.58 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: find |
| 20:02.58 | tapple | This causes alsaconf to say I have no supported soundcards |
| 20:03.09 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: it has got online help |
| 20:03.19 | elik_laptop | henk, so my problem is: digikit install a fixed version exactly at same location debian would... so when it comes to get a new version, it is trying to overwrite the package... which is blocked becaue it would break other dependencies |
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| 20:03.40 | roxy_ | tarzeau, wols :http://rafb.net/paste/results/2D09fa96.html |
| 20:03.43 | Kurtism | can anybody recommend a good pcmcia controller for linux? |
| 20:03.44 | wols | elik_laptop: whoever made that digikit thing is too dumb to be allowed near a keyboard |
| 20:03.51 | Kurtism | I need one for my Cardbus wifi adapter |
| 20:04.05 | tarzeau | roxy_: now also do gdb |
| 20:04.08 | flame_ | hmm just installed postfix, and mutt |
| 20:04.12 | henk | not dependecies but apt just refused two packages to install the same files on the system |
| 20:04.16 | flame_ | when i go to collect mail with mutt im getting: /var/mail/payment: No such file or directory (errno = 2) |
| 20:04.16 | abrotman | Kurtism: the one in your laptop maybe? |
| 20:04.21 | Kurtism | not a laptop |
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| 20:04.24 | Kurtism | for DESKTOP |
| 20:04.25 | flame_ | any idea how to create the new mailbox for a user? |
| 20:04.35 | abrotman | Kurtism: buy a PCI card ? |
| 20:04.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you tried the etch installer yet? or grub2 ? |
| 20:04.38 | Kurtism | pcmcia controller for a desktop computer |
| 20:04.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: etch installer yes .. but not the GUI one |
| 20:04.57 | ttl- | valdyn: Thanks for your help with the lpr problem |
| 20:04.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: i tried the gui one |
| 20:05.00 | wols | flame_: touch. or send a mail to the user |
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| 20:05.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: the colors make me puke |
| 20:05.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: last time i used it was a mac |
| 20:05.10 | flame_ | hmm thx :] |
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| 20:05.16 | elik_laptop | wols, that's why I'm trying to figure out what cause me troubles... so they can solve it |
| 20:05.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: so use an MGA monitor? |
| 20:05.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: so does the font of "GNU/Linux" on top, and its shadows |
| 20:05.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: i doubt that's supported |
| 20:05.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: file "Style" bug? |
| 20:05.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: hehe |
| 20:05.45 | henk | the outcome of two packages installing perl5.8 in the same location is unpredictable, and should be avoided. If you need to have a special perl-tree for some specific package: dont install it in the same dir the OS is planning to do |
| 20:06.08 | elik_laptop | henk, good, just wanted to make sure I understood good |
| 20:06.09 | Charminthemoose | one thing that annoys me severly is that if a 155mb iso is supposed to be able to connect to the 'net but can't and 50mb distro is.then that's just messed up |
| 20:06.09 | henk | so you can tell them that yes |
| 20:06.24 | roxy_ | tarzeau: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 20:06.24 | roxy_ | 0xa7f1239f in ASSA::Logger::log_func () from /usr/lib/libassa-3.4.so.0 |
| 20:06.28 | henk | elik_laptop, it is a very common mistake btw |
| 20:06.30 | elik_laptop | henk, would it have been possible to solve by forcing overwrite? |
| 20:06.38 | wols | Charminthemoose: different kernels between those two ISOs? |
| 20:06.39 | Charminthemoose | even though the iso is designed for internet connectivity |
| 20:06.50 | henk | elik_laptop, yes you just did :) |
| 20:06.51 | elik_laptop | henk, pain in the ass for newbies using those packages :P |
| 20:06.52 | tarzeau | roxy_: so there's a problem there, somewhere :) |
| 20:06.58 | Charminthemoose | what kernel does the netinst use? |
| 20:07.05 | abrotman | which netinst ? |
| 20:07.13 | elik_laptop | henk, I can't thank you enough for helping me with that |
| 20:07.17 | Charminthemoose | the main netinst.iso |
| 20:07.18 | henk | elik_laptop, no problem just happy to help out |
| 20:07.18 | roxy_ | tarzeau: but libassa-3.4-0 is used in testing and unstable. |
| 20:07.22 | Charminthemoose | not the business card |
| 20:07.25 | abrotman | sarge can use 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 20:07.27 | elik_laptop | henk, would you like a beer or coffee? |
| 20:07.33 | Charminthemoose | 2.4.what? |
| 20:07.34 | abrotman | defaults to 2.4 |
| 20:07.42 | abrotman | no idea about the BC installer .. haven't used it |
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| 20:07.58 | henk | elik_laptop :) good idea... i'm off bye now |
| 20:08.10 | tarzeau | roxy_: libassa which revision? |
| 20:08.11 | elik_laptop | !beer henk |
| 20:08.19 | elik_laptop | !henk++ |
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| 20:08.28 | tarzeau | roxy_: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?suite=all&subword=0&exact=1&arch=any§ion=all&case=insensitive&keywords=libassa&searchon=sourcenames |
| 20:08.33 | tarzeau | roxy_: it's not the same version |
| 20:08.35 | ttl- | how do i install the new maintainers config files for some packages |
| 20:08.35 | SpComb | !coke SpComb |
| 20:08.45 | tarzeau | roxy_: one is 3.4.1-1 the other 3.4.2-1 |
| 20:08.51 | ttl- | i selected 'NO' during dist-upgrade |
| 20:09.05 | abrotman | reinstall the package maybe |
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| 20:09.20 | ttl- | abrotman: no i did try that |
| 20:09.21 | Charminthemoose | i'm using a 2.4.26 kernel atm |
| 20:10.34 | roxy_ | tarzeau: ok, I wasn't looking the good number. So I should: 1 do a bug report on libassa pasting gdb 2 downgrade libassa ? |
| 20:11.09 | tarzeau | roxy_: you should find the bug, fix it, send in a patch |
| 20:11.32 | roxy_ | tarzeau: I am a java programer, no a C programer :( |
| 20:11.43 | stoned | kinda useless |
| 20:11.48 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 20:11.52 | tarzeau | roxy_: you've never fucked a woman. you'll never do so? |
| 20:12.00 | stoned | amazing |
| 20:12.03 | abrotman | nice analogy |
| 20:12.05 | stoned | simply brilliant, tarzeau |
| 20:12.20 | stoned | hey abrotman is here |
| 20:12.27 | abrotman | stoned: i'm in hell |
| 20:12.29 | stoned | lol |
| 20:12.34 | stoned | working on saturday? |
| 20:12.40 | elik_laptop | abrotman is the man |
| 20:12.49 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:12.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:12.56 | abrotman | stoned: it's cold .. i'm on windows .. there's a cat .. i'm in hell |
| 20:13.10 | stoned | lol |
| 20:13.20 | stoops | I know this isn't the channel but when I register a nick, everytime I try it tells me to wait 1200 seconds, what should I do? |
| 20:13.22 | stoned | I have to learn MS products at work, it sucks |
| 20:13.23 | jelly-home | abrotman: allergic? |
| 20:13.25 | abrotman | none of those alone are bad .. but i've been here less than 24hrs and have gone trhough almost 1/2 box of tissues |
| 20:13.25 | Teltariat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'd rather be on a cat, and look out the window |
| 20:13.30 | abrotman | jelly-home: severely |
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| 20:14.01 | elik_laptop | abrotman, what's wrong with the cat? |
| 20:14.04 | abrotman | the stupid vet told my mom ... kittens don't have dander .. your son will be fine .. it took 20 minutes to start dying |
| 20:14.10 | abrotman | elik_laptop: i'm allergic |
| 20:14.11 | elik_laptop | abrotman, you dont like the pussies? |
| 20:14.15 | wols | abrotman: if you'd wank less, yoU'd need less tissues... |
| 20:14.21 | abrotman | i love cats .. i'm allergic |
| 20:14.23 | elik_laptop | oh, alergic to pussies, that's sad |
| 20:14.45 | stoned | thats not funny |
| 20:14.49 | roxy_ | tarzeau: I got a bug in reportbug now. If I got to learn C AND shell script I surely never find the time to fuck a woman |
| 20:15.05 | abrotman | and the damn kitten keeps jumping on me |
| 20:15.13 | tarzeau | roxy_: you can send them to me |
| 20:15.19 | stoned | abrotman, kill it |
| 20:15.31 | roxy_ | tarzeau: the bug report you mean ? |
| 20:15.32 | stoned | or if you're a kind soul, go put it in a closet or a box |
| 20:15.37 | tarzeau | roxy_: haha, no the woman |
| 20:15.47 | edju | The instructions on installing debian from another linux system says to install "ar", but apt-get can't find it. So, what next? |
| 20:15.51 | abrotman | stoned: my mom likes it |
| 20:16.16 | stoned | like I suggested, put it in a closet, or your mom's room and lock it |
| 20:16.20 | tarzeau | has someone got a screenshot of the new etch graphical d-i? |
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| 20:16.27 | stoned | I'm guessing you're fixing your mom's pc or something |
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| 20:16.54 | stoned | I go through some of the same shit when I go to my parents house |
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| 20:17.40 | jelly-home | !find /bin/ar sarge |
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| 20:18.44 | jelly-home | edju: are you on a debian-based other system? |
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| 20:19.33 | edju | jelly-home, Yes, ubuntu - don't like it. |
| 20:19.50 | elik_laptop | abrotman1, now you are more in hell, you had a nick collision |
| 20:20.07 | jelly-home | edju: you probably don't need ar then, if you wanted to use it to unpack debian packages. |
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| 20:21.32 | edju | jelly-home, It's used to extract files from archives. |
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| 20:23.05 | jelly-home | edju: it's in binutils package. |
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| 20:25.53 | edju | jelly-home, Ahhh, thanks. |
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| 20:28.33 | ttl- | is there a way to install the maintainers config for packages after selecting 'NO' during a dist-upgrade ? |
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| 20:29.11 | tremor | if you remember the packages names reinstall them |
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| 20:29.54 | jelly-home | tremor: are you sure reinstall is enough? |
| 20:30.01 | dos000 | is it possible in apache2 to make sure a file is never cached by a remote proxy ? i have a file and the proxy between me and the remote device is always caching . and i have no control on this proxy |
| 20:30.10 | ttl- | yeah i know thez names but reinstall does not do the trick |
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| 20:30.38 | tremor | jelly-home: I'm not sure, it was just an idea |
| 20:31.16 | jelly-home | tremor: well, it doesn't work that way. |
| 20:31.26 | ttl- | nope |
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| 20:32.00 | jelly-home | ttl-: you could do purge then install again, if you can. |
| 20:32.54 | ttl- | jelly-home: dpkg -P yes ? |
| 20:33.05 | tremor | jelly-home: right, this would have been the next suggestion on this |
| 20:33.17 | jelly-home | ttl-: yes, or apt-get --purge remove stuff, or aptitude purge stuff |
| 20:33.18 | tremor | ttl-: yes |
| 20:34.01 | abrotman | w |
| 20:34.03 | abrotman | grr |
| 20:35.36 | jelly-home | abrotman: what was that conf-missing option that allowed one to install a conffile even if it was deleted? |
| 20:35.40 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 20:35.40 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 20:35.42 | abrotman | that one ? |
| 20:35.46 | jelly-home | yep |
| 20:35.53 | ttl- | jelly-home & tremor: thanks! |
| 20:35.57 | roxy_ | tarzeau: thanks for your help, I got granule working :-) . |
| 20:36.10 | tarzeau | roxy_: nice |
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| 20:36.23 | tarzeau | roxy_: but do you run popularity-contest? |
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| 20:37.05 | jelly-home | ttl-: so, a reinstall could work _if_ you deleted the conffiles first and then ran the apt-get line from !confmiss factiod (see above) |
| 20:37.42 | jelly-home | !factiod |
| 20:37.51 | roxy_ | tarzeau: I am not sure, but I think so . Why ? you want to become my friend to increase your street cred ? |
| 20:37.54 | abrotman | !factoid |
| 20:37.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
| 20:38.34 | jelly-home | mispeled ;-) |
| 20:38.48 | ttl- | jelly-home: yeah |
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| 20:41.00 | jelly-home | tarzeau: er, why do you advertise popcon every day anyway? |
| 20:41.19 | tarzeau | jelly-home: so new people install it |
| 20:41.42 | jelly-home | tarzeau: why should they? :-> |
| 20:41.56 | abrotman | because newbies use all the least used apps in debian |
| 20:42.13 | Teltariat | Well, I'm using Xen. |
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| 20:42.16 | tarzeau | jelly-home: to help debian? |
| 20:42.18 | Teltariat | And I'd consider myself a newbie. |
| 20:42.21 | Teltariat | :) |
| 20:42.34 | karrot-x | i just installed vsftpd, i can connect with anonymous but i can not connect with my local users |
| 20:42.40 | Teltariat | Running Debian on amd64, <3 debootstrap |
| 20:42.42 | karrot-x | does anyone know why? the logs just say connection started and then lost |
| 20:43.03 | roxy_ | tarzeau: how pop contest could help debian ? |
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| 20:43.17 | abrotman | roxy_: shows importance of packages |
| 20:43.23 | tarzeau | roxy_: to find out which packages are used more (to be put on the earlier cds) |
| 20:43.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: not importance, but popularity |
| 20:43.32 | tarzeau | it's really not the same |
| 20:43.32 | abrotman | roxy_: look atthe graphs |
| 20:43.34 | jetx | somebody recommend a partition recovery tool |
| 20:43.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: it is |
| 20:43.46 | tarzeau | i disagree |
| 20:43.48 | Teltariat | jetx: dd |
| 20:43.53 | tarzeau | jetx: gpart |
| 20:43.58 | abrotman | you're swiss .. noone cares :) |
| 20:43.59 | tarzeau | jetx: lde |
| 20:44.04 | tarzeau | i'm not swiss |
| 20:44.10 | abrotman | oh .. today you're turkish ? |
| 20:44.14 | tarzeau | jetx: for data, there's foremost |
| 20:44.15 | abrotman | every other day you're not |
| 20:44.18 | jetx | recovery eh... k |
| 20:44.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've always been so |
| 20:44.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm still waiting to get swiss |
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| 20:44.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: well i really don't want to be |
| 20:44.40 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:44.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's really bound to alot of disadvantages |
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| 20:45.20 | jelly-home | tarzeau: can you have a dual citizenship? |
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| 20:45.29 | tarzeau | jelly-home: yes it's possible. i don't want to |
| 20:45.37 | tarzeau | jelly-home: the turkish passport has only disadvantages to me |
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| 20:46.57 | tarzeau | jelly-home: it depends on both citizens |
| 20:47.09 | tarzeau | jelly-home: germans don't allow a 2nd one... |
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| 20:47.59 | abrotman | OT: someone from .us with bad allergies .. recommend a damn good OTC allergy medicine |
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| 20:48.21 | Exclamation | hi |
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| 20:49.00 | gallus | dear all |
| 20:49.14 | gallus | nice to meet you |
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| 20:49.24 | triple5 | hi Exclamation |
| 20:49.27 | triple5 | hi gallus |
| 20:49.30 | bofh80 | woohoo |
| 20:49.34 | bofh80 | wireless is workin |
| 20:49.35 | bofh80 | :) |
| 20:49.45 | gallus | I have a problem with my wireless card |
| 20:49.59 | bofh80 | had to swap me mate for his 3com usb rather than my Zyxel :) |
| 20:50.04 | abrotman | plug in the wire! |
| 20:50.05 | Exclamation | gallus: which card? |
| 20:50.09 | triple5 | can someone tell me about the installation of plug and play usbdevices in stable /I have a 2.6 kernel.. |
| 20:50.11 | gallus | wg511 |
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| 20:50.15 | bofh80 | and the zd1211 driver just sprang into action |
| 20:50.20 | gallus | I installed |
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| 20:50.50 | gallus | and since thursday worked fine |
| 20:50.52 | Exclamation | hmm. i dont have any experiance with that card, sry |
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| 20:51.08 | Derek | anyone using yaboot? |
| 20:51.15 | bofh80 | anybody know why wpg_gui might fail? i can't connect to my mates WPA-PSK connection, but i only get the unsecured one on priority 2 :( |
| 20:51.52 | gallus | Exclamation: do you know how to get back in time my debian sid? |
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| 20:52.26 | bofh80 | gallus, ask again change your english. |
| 20:52.35 | bofh80 | :) |
| 20:52.36 | Exclamation | gallus: hmmm.. like restore back to thursday? |
| 20:52.40 | gallus | sorry |
| 20:53.01 | gallus | yes that's what I mean |
| 20:53.37 | bofh80 | is there a wireless channel? :P |
| 20:53.42 | abrotman | #wireless |
| 20:53.46 | Exclamation | i dont think you can unless you made a backup which im guessing you didnt... |
| 20:53.46 | bofh80 | lol |
| 20:54.29 | gallus | bofh80: :) |
| 20:54.53 | gallus | join #wireless |
| 20:55.02 | gallus | :) |
| 20:55.08 | triple5 | I mean I have had it working that i plug in my usb storage device and it showed up on the desktop with an icon, now it doesn't work anymore, I have done modprobe usb-storage |
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| 20:56.27 | triple5 | and modprobe sd_mod |
| 20:56.43 | triple5 | I have added the user in question to the group plugdev... |
| 20:57.24 | triple5 | but still no icon, no plug and no play... :-( |
| 20:57.37 | Exclamation | gallus: have checked to see if the module is loaded? |
| 20:57.56 | Derek | reload usb-storage |
| 20:57.57 | triple5 | Exclamation: you mean me? |
| 20:57.58 | gallus | Exclamation: yes it |
| 20:58.37 | gallus | with dmesg I have found which is the problem but I don't know how to solve it |
| 20:58.41 | roxy_ | is there any lpi certified people around ? |
| 20:58.55 | tarzeau | roxy_: why? |
| 20:59.04 | tarzeau | roxy_: i know a person that makes lpi certifications |
| 20:59.07 | Exclamation | gallus: pastebin the error, im sure someone in here can help |
| 20:59.17 | gallus | Exclamation: if you want I can paste it in #flood |
| 20:59.28 | Dodji | does debian testing strip symbol informations from binaries now ? |
| 20:59.36 | tarzeau | Dodji: dh_strip does |
| 20:59.38 | gallus | Exclamation: or is better here |
| 20:59.42 | tarzeau | Dodji: not every package runs dh_strip |
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| 20:59.51 | Dodji | because all my core file don't have any symbols anymore |
| 20:59.55 | roxy_ | tarzeau: doing it next week. In the book I got it says we have choice between redhat based and debian based. But when I enrolled, it wasn't asked which one we wanted. |
| 21:00.00 | Dodji | even for the programs I compile myself |
| 21:00.12 | tarzeau | roxy_: afaik yes you have the choice |
| 21:00.14 | tuxedup | I am going to be buying a laptop and it says it is acpi 2.0 complient, does this mean setting up suspend to disk etc etc should not be to much of a heartache, or do all laptops tout this? Would setting up debian with the laptop package selection be enouhg? |
| 21:00.20 | tarzeau | roxy_: if you don't , ask them. tell them you learnt for debian |
| 21:00.24 | Exclamation | gallus: how long is it? |
| 21:00.24 | bofh80 | join #flood |
| 21:00.30 | tarzeau | roxy_: and insist doing the check with debian or not at all |
| 21:00.32 | speedy | whats the best option for data redundancy of mail servers? |
| 21:00.36 | Dodji | tarzeau: yeah, I mean, if I do a small test program that dumps core, I should get symbol info, right ? |
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| 21:00.46 | tarzeau | Dodji: depends on how you build it |
| 21:00.49 | gallus | 5 lines |
| 21:00.55 | tarzeau | speedy: raid? |
| 21:00.56 | gallus | ok bofh80 |
| 21:01.06 | tarzeau | speedy: www.linuks.mine.nu/raid.jpg |
| 21:01.32 | Exclamation | gallus: paste it here: http://pastebin.com/ and paste link here, easiest way... |
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| 21:01.33 | speedy | tarzeau shared storage and multiple servers connected to it? |
| 21:01.35 | tarzeau | speedy: i'd go with the 6th picture |
| 21:01.52 | Dodji | tarzeau: with -g, and that's it. |
| 21:01.59 | gallus | Exclamation: what is this? |
| 21:02.28 | roxy_ | tarzeau: I am gonna try to contact the testing center. I wrote to lpi people but there not answering and nothing is in the faq |
| 21:02.29 | speedy | tarzeau lol of course am gonna use raid, i'm looking for high availability solution |
| 21:02.40 | Exclamation | gallus: its a site to paste stuff |
| 21:02.45 | tarzeau | speedy: we have that at work |
| 21:02.58 | tarzeau | speedy: for like 5000 mail accounts, that use it 24/7 |
| 21:03.01 | tarzeau | speedy: it runs on freebsd |
| 21:03.11 | tarzeau | speedy: virus/spam filtering is on 3 other machines |
| 21:03.12 | gallus | Exclamation: I got an error |
| 21:03.17 | tarzeau | load balanced |
| 21:03.29 | Exclamation | ok, then just paste it here i guess |
| 21:03.33 | tarzeau | speedy: about 20 or so harddisks, with fast hw raid (like 20$/gb) |
| 21:03.35 | gallus | eth0: resetting device... |
| 21:03.36 | gallus | eth0: uploading firmware... |
| 21:03.36 | gallus | prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' |
| 21:03.36 | gallus | eth0: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') |
| 21:03.36 | gallus | eth0: islpci_reset: failure |
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| 21:03.40 | jetx | heh |
| 21:03.41 | speedy | great |
| 21:03.45 | tarzeau | speedy: i don't get your lol |
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| 21:04.17 | speedy | tarzeau all nodes are active? |
| 21:04.18 | tarzeau | speedy: it's got a local terminalserver w/ minicom which is reachable from everywhere, with hardware reset button |
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| 21:04.28 | tarzeau | speedy: it's ONE mailserver box |
| 21:04.33 | tarzeau | speedy: which does imap and smtpd |
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| 21:04.45 | tarzeau | speedy: with 3 load balanced virus/spam filters |
| 21:04.56 | tarzeau | speedy: it's running postfix |
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| 21:05.11 | tarzeau | speedy: phys.ethz.ch btw |
| 21:05.17 | bofh80 | gallus, what happens if you type ifup eth0 |
| 21:05.21 | speedy | tarzeau what if your mail server fails? |
| 21:05.33 | tarzeau | speedy: like what? the internet? the power? the harddisk? |
| 21:05.49 | tarzeau | speedy: you can check nic.phys.ethz.ch for outage information postings |
| 21:06.04 | tarzeau | speedy: it's been running like 10 years now (w/ several hardware exchanges/upgrades) . it doesn't fail |
| 21:06.13 | tarzeau | speedy: if it does, the failure is being fixed |
| 21:06.21 | tarzeau | speedy: power/internet/disks are redundant |
| 21:06.27 | tarzeau | all systems backed up |
| 21:06.32 | speedy | tarzeau disaster? |
| 21:06.48 | bofh80 | gallus, http://prism54.org/punbb/viewtopic.php?pid=3707 < look at that |
| 21:06.59 | tarzeau | speedy: fire? war? |
| 21:07.06 | tarzeau | speedy: backups are in another building |
| 21:07.07 | speedy | tarzeau could be :) |
| 21:07.20 | tarzeau | speedy: who cares, we have other hardware where we can keep running |
| 21:07.49 | tarzeau | speedy: https://webmail.phys.ethz.ch/stats.html |
| 21:07.56 | gallus | bofh80: I read it but it doesn't solve my problem, but I read carefully again |
| 21:08.19 | Dodji | tarzeau: okay, I understand, it's gdb --core that's weird |
| 21:08.26 | Dodji | tarzeau: doing gdb prog core works file |
| 21:08.31 | speedy | tarzeau great stuff |
| 21:08.45 | tarzeau | speedy: what's even better are the debian workstations |
| 21:08.48 | bofh80 | gallus, what happens if you type ifup eth0 while the machines running? same problem? |
| 21:08.49 | Dodji | tarzeau: thank you for answering |
| 21:08.54 | tarzeau | speedy: which are fully automatic installed/configured/maintained |
| 21:09.02 | tarzeau | speedy: and the nfs homes |
| 21:09.03 | gallus | bofh80: no ligths on :) |
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| 21:09.24 | tarzeau | speedy: our printer management with cups/ppd high quality and many much more things |
| 21:09.29 | tarzeau | Dodji: yw |
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| 21:10.01 | speedy | do you think having mail storage on shared nfs is a good idea? |
| 21:10.06 | gallus | bofh80: I did ifconfig eth0 up |
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| 21:10.16 | gallus | bofh80: I got: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory" |
| 21:10.49 | Alien_Freak | speedy, if the network can handle it, it should be fine |
| 21:10.58 | Alien_Freak | I have several users whose entire homedirs are nfs, |
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| 21:11.33 | speedy | or shall i look for some fiber shared storage devices? |
| 21:12.07 | gallus | bofh80: my kernel is 2.6.16 |
| 21:12.15 | tarzeau | gallus: a debian kernel? |
| 21:12.21 | gallus | custom |
| 21:12.27 | tarzeau | gallus: it's not complete then |
| 21:12.43 | gallus | but since 2 days ago the card worked |
| 21:13.04 | bofh80 | tarzeau, he say's it has been working, suddenly stopped |
| 21:13.30 | tarzeau | bofh80: that's what all users say |
| 21:13.35 | bofh80 | gallus, try marking the driver for REINSTALL |
| 21:13.50 | bofh80 | tarzeau, no it's a fact with all these bloody usb devices. shall i show you? |
| 21:13.53 | tarzeau | suddenly it doesn't work. and they are innocent |
| 21:14.04 | tarzeau | bofh80: no. it's no news that usb with linux sucks |
| 21:14.37 | gallus | tarzeau: It's true do you think I'm joking you? |
| 21:14.52 | tarzeau | gallus: 2.6.16.x ? |
| 21:14.54 | gallus | well it's not an usb |
| 21:14.59 | tarzeau | gallus: yea show me uname -a |
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| 21:15.12 | gallus | 2.6.16 |
| 21:15.17 | tarzeau | gallus: no, uname -a |
| 21:15.23 | tarzeau | gallus: run /exec -o uname -a |
| 21:15.36 | gallus | Linux asterix 2.6.16 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jun 2 14:56:25 CEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:15.42 | bofh80 | tarzeau, it sounds like the driver corrupted. have you tried remove the driver and reinstalled it? |
| 21:15.46 | gallus | tarzeau: I'm not stupid at all |
| 21:15.55 | bofh80 | woops |
| 21:16.00 | tarzeau | gallus: i never said that |
| 21:16.04 | bofh80 | gallus, it sounds like the driver corrupted. have you tried remove the driver and reinstalled it? |
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| 21:16.29 | gallus | bofh80: how can I remove it? |
| 21:16.34 | bofh80 | gallus, did your machine crash or need to be powered off. . . . ? |
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| 21:16.50 | gallus | do you think the problem is hotplug package? |
| 21:16.52 | bofh80 | gallus, did you not install it using synaptic? or did debian do it on installation? |
| 21:17.44 | gallus | bofh80: no I have installed |
| 21:17.56 | bofh80 | gallus, from source? |
| 21:18.28 | gallus | bofh80: no if you want I explain you what I did |
| 21:18.40 | bofh80 | gallus, the more the better |
| 21:18.55 | gallus | bofh80: 1) I customize my kernel with prism54 support |
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| 21:19.10 | jetx | partition rebuilding, recovery... gparted doesn't seem to do that |
| 21:19.59 | bofh80 | gallus, cool so you compiled your own kernel :) nice. i haven't bothered yet :S |
| 21:20.03 | gallus | 2) I downloaded the firmware and I put in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 21:20.15 | bofh80 | gallus, right sounds good |
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| 21:20.39 | bofh80 | gallus, before you carry on, have you tried redownloading the firmware? overwrite the current ones? |
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| 21:21.14 | gallus | bofh80: yes I had a backup and I copy over the old |
| 21:21.40 | gallus | bofh80: 3) run iwconfig |
| 21:21.50 | jetx | 1de isn't very googleable |
| 21:22.30 | gallus | bofh80: 4) then I setted up my ethX in /etc/network/interfaces and I reboot |
| 21:22.38 | bofh80 | gallus. try "ifconfig eth0 up" |
| 21:22.47 | gallus | bofh80: again? |
| 21:23.06 | bofh80 | no no, not ifup, ifconfig eth0 up, or did you try that b4 as well |
| 21:23.48 | karrot-x | i need help, i can not connect with local users on my server running vsftpd, i've checked google and haven't found much in the ways of help |
| 21:23.53 | gallus | bofh80: I get that error: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory" |
| 21:23.58 | krissarge | failing to install sarge on new pc, MB=Asus A8R-MVP ; error message is "MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC". Can naybody help ? |
| 21:24.21 | Hoxzer | can I somehow make some user to be able to edit some users files without any permission changes? |
| 21:24.51 | Xenguy | Hoxzer: sudo ? |
| 21:25.41 | Hoxzer | Xenguy: :( but I want to make the user to be able to edit these files as it were user's own |
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| 21:26.12 | jns | where is the text file that has network settings in it? |
| 21:26.44 | cydork | jns, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:26.56 | jns | thanks |
| 21:27.15 | bofh80 | gallus, try older firmware download, see if any different error |
| 21:27.27 | jetx | ahh... the testdisk option |
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| 21:28.15 | gallus | bofh80: I have never downloaded a new firmware |
| 21:28.23 | SnarceZ | hi all |
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| 21:28.36 | Xenguy | Hoxzer: perhaps you want to create a common group permissions for the 2 users, and chgrp the files (I'm not clear on what you're actually trying to do) |
| 21:29.08 | gallus | bofh80: do you think that the problem could be the hotplug package? |
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| 21:30.09 | dan2 | ~programmer bill of rights is http://darwinianweb.com/archive/2006/338.html |
| 21:30.14 | apt | okay, dan2 |
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| 21:30.24 | bofh80 | gallus, i'm just going to bury myself. ok try DIFFERENT firmware, older or newer, DOWNLOAD from http://prism54.org yes |
| 21:30.45 | bofh80 | gallus, i aint sure, really, did you install hotplug recently? |
| 21:30.54 | gallus | the latest time I have upgraded my Debian I got the message to purge it but I did not because it needs to use wireless card |
| 21:30.57 | bofh80 | try reinstalling it or removeing it, you can always put it back |
| 21:31.11 | gallus | ok i try |
| 21:31.21 | SnarceZ | I'm in touble with xorg... after installing some glx packages it stopped and i cannot use the graphical interface anymore... |
| 21:31.25 | bofh80 | gallus oh dear :) :D. going for a smoke. let me know if you get anywhere |
| 21:31.36 | gallus | bofh80: ok |
| 21:31.41 | gallus | bofh80: thats |
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| 21:31.52 | SnarceZ | and also xorgconfig and x -configure didn't work |
| 21:31.57 | gallus | bofh80: probably solve let's have a look |
| 21:32.10 | karrot-x | what vsftpd version comes with sarge? |
| 21:32.19 | cydork | !info vsftpd sarge |
| 21:32.22 | Joric | is anybody using ndiswrapper? why my wifi card is always losing essid? =( |
| 21:32.25 | dpkg | vsftpd: (The Very Secure FTP Daemon), section net, is extra. Version: 2.0.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 412 kB |
| 21:32.30 | cydork | karrot-x, ^^ |
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| 21:32.53 | cydork | Joric, i am using ndiswrapper with no probs what so ever |
| 21:32.56 | SnarceZ | how can i solve this problem without reinstalling all... |
| 21:33.11 | Joric | cydork, lucky |
| 21:33.18 | bofh80 | SnarceZ, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:33.29 | karrot-x | cydork: thanks is there a way with apt to figure out the version number? |
| 21:33.30 | gallus | bofh80: are you still here wait a moment |
| 21:33.32 | wols | SnarceZ: what graphical installer? |
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| 21:33.44 | enouf | krissarge: MP BIOS bug = multiprocessor ...perhaps you have a Dual Core CPU and may need a BIOS update, so it recognizes both - or some BIOS settings need altering, such as LAPIC (loapic) and IOAPIC (i/oapic) - set them to ENABLED in the BIOS |
| 21:33.45 | bofh80 | gallus, ok |
| 21:33.54 | SnarceZ | wols what do you mean? |
| 21:33.57 | gallus | bofh80: come in flood please |
| 21:34.06 | bofh80 | gallus, ok |
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| 21:34.36 | cydork | karrot-x, check what dpkg said, and read it this time :) |
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| 21:35.32 | SnarceZ | ... what's a graphical installer? |
| 21:36.48 | SnarceZ | ops... I didn't saw what bofh said... |
| 21:37.01 | SnarceZ | thanks.. I'm gonna try... |
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| 21:39.17 | eleftherios | pbuilder (on Etch) fails with "hostname: No address associated with name" when I try to build or update. This is on a fresh install |
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| 21:41.05 | teardrop | has anyone here gotten truecrypt to work on debian? |
| 21:41.08 | embrik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:41.45 | pickcoder | is there anyway to use apt with a protected HTTP URI? |
| 21:42.41 | cydork | pickcoder, protected means? |
| 21:42.41 | pickcoder | I've read the man pages, but the only thing I've found is references to accessing a authenticated proxy |
| 21:42.41 | foo | Hm, could I ghost a drive in knoppix with dd? dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb .. ? |
| 21:42.43 | pickcoder | like a commercial repository that only subscribers can access? |
| 21:42.47 | pickcoder | via httpauth |
| 21:43.15 | cydork | pickcoder, oh ok i have nfc |
| 21:43.29 | pickcoder | cydork: google, so far, has no idea either |
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| 21:44.11 | pickcoder | cydork: if the man page for apt doesn't mention it then I'm pretty sure it's not doable |
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| 21:44.45 | bofh80 | hey |
| 21:44.49 | pickcoder | cydork: that would be a nice feature |
| 21:44.53 | bofh80 | has HOTPLUG been superseeded? |
| 21:44.55 | cydork | pickcoder, frankly i dont think so, but i might be wrong. |
| 21:45.12 | cydork | !hotplug |
| 21:45.13 | dpkg | hotplug is probably a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover, or now replaced by udev in etch+ |
| 21:45.14 | bofh80 | by IFPLUGD and can someone confirm you don't need HOTPLUG for prism54 cards to work!? |
| 21:45.22 | cydork | bofh80, ^^ |
| 21:45.23 | karsten | pickcoder: You might be able to do that via a local proxy that handles the authentication for you. Depends on how the authenticating proxy works. |
| 21:45.35 | karsten | pickcoder: Do you know which proxy this is? |
| 21:45.37 | bofh80 | cydork, ahh UDEV that does it |
| 21:45.48 | gallus | that's was my problem |
| 21:45.51 | cydork | bofh80, yep |
| 21:45.56 | pickcoder | karsten: it's not a proxy |
| 21:45.57 | bofh80 | cydork, cool. |
| 21:46.07 | gallus | cydork: but how I use udev |
| 21:46.10 | bofh80 | gallus, yes, remove hotplug put the stuff it removed back in :) |
| 21:46.16 | foo | Hm, could I ghost a drive in knoppix with dd? dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb .. ? |
| 21:46.18 | bofh80 | gallus, i do believe the system does that for you |
| 21:46.23 | pickcoder | karsten: I want to control and also log who gets the debs via apt |
| 21:46.32 | gallus | bofh80: no that's the problem |
| 21:46.34 | pickcoder | karsten: using httpauth, preferably |
| 21:46.58 | cydork | pickcoder, you are a nosy admin :P |
| 21:46.58 | gallus | before that hotplug was purged the wireless card worked |
| 21:46.59 | karsten | pickcoder: http://user:pass@hostname/path |
| 21:47.12 | teardrop | has anyone here gotten truecrypt to work on debian? |
| 21:47.13 | pickcoder | karsten: I'm putting together a package builder for OpenQM |
| 21:47.21 | cydork | karsten, that's a proxy athentication |
| 21:47.24 | karsten | pickcoder: Should work. That's httpauth standard syntax. |
| 21:47.28 | bofh80 | gallus, argh i see. u went from etch to Sid? |
| 21:47.37 | bofh80 | gallus, wait no you went from stable to sid didn't you |
| 21:47.41 | karsten | cydork: No, it's the standard URL format for presenting httpauth tockens. |
| 21:47.42 | pickcoder | karsten: but I know they won't use it, if the downloads are open |
| 21:47.46 | gallus | but a lot of months ago |
| 21:47.58 | karsten | pickcoder: WTF is OpenQM? |
| 21:47.59 | bofh80 | gallus, sarge to etch rather lol. |
| 21:48.00 | pickcoder | karsten: so I'm trying to come up with a way to use apt with auth |
| 21:48.01 | gallus | from etch |
| 21:48.09 | bofh80 | gallus, udev replaces hotplug |
| 21:48.16 | pickcoder | karsten: it's a pick-style database that is dual-licensed |
| 21:48.19 | karsten | pickcoder: And consider altnerative options such as requiring an activation key on the software. |
| 21:48.28 | karsten | pickcoder: Jesus mary... |
| 21:48.29 | bofh80 | get that back on |
| 21:48.38 | pickcoder | karsten: they want to keep track of who gets the GPL release |
| 21:48.46 | gallus | !udev |
| 21:48.46 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=383555 |
| 21:48.48 | karsten | pickcoder: And what's with this "they won't use it if the DLs are open? |
| 21:48.57 | bofh80 | then follow the guides from http://prism54.org assuming that driver is what your using |
| 21:48.59 | cydork | karsten, :) |
| 21:48.59 | tapple | why would alsaconf say I have no supported soundcards, even though lcpci lists two? I installed alsa with module-assistant auto-install alsa |
| 21:49.13 | embrik | anybody know where #skolelinux or #debian-edu are? |
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| 21:49.23 | pickcoder | karsten: they have their own installer and I'm pretty sure a .deb is no interest unless I can make distribution easier |
| 21:49.28 | bofh80 | gallus, i would remove everything to do with the wireless card, ie, driver and firmware, then start again |
| 21:49.42 | tapple | !alsa |
| 21:49.42 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://wiki.debian.org/?ALSA , or see <alsa one-liner> |
| 21:49.55 | pickcoder | karsten: plus it will help make Debian look enticing for those who want to play with OpenQM |
| 21:50.00 | eleftherios | any pointers? |
| 21:50.02 | gallus | bofh80: the problem is that every howto need hotplug not udev |
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| 21:50.29 | bofh80 | gallus, that's what you get for using bleeding edge debian lol. |
| 21:50.32 | foo | Can I ghost a hard drive with dd? I am doing dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1 ... |
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| 21:50.52 | bofh80 | gallus, you are reffereing to readme's on prism54.org. u have been through them before? |
| 21:51.06 | SerajewelKS | is it just me or does audacity not have a way to downmix a stereo track to a mono one? |
| 21:51.12 | gallus | bofh80: yes I did |
| 21:51.31 | pickcoder | karsten: I'll try the proxy auth syntax and see if it works.. |
| 21:52.08 | Acc\Deny | Hello. I need some pointers on "how to allow users to do multiple logins from same IP address only". |
| 21:52.10 | gallus | I try to use my favorite saint... saint Google |
| 21:52.20 | bofh80 | gallus, ouch. heheheh. i'm having that smoke now... |
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| 21:52.35 | karsten | pickcoder: Who's this "they" of which you speak? |
| 21:52.40 | tapple | !alsa etch |
| 21:52.41 | gallus | bofh80: tnx see you soon |
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| 21:52.51 | karsten | Acc\Deny: What sort of login? |
| 21:53.31 | karsten | Acc\Deny: ssh? YOu can restrict port 22 access to specified sets of IPs. Might not prevent user A from logging in from user B's address, but won't let 'em come in from point X. |
| 21:53.36 | embrik | I find out that U can't hear sound on my machine. Where do I start to locate the problem (Sarge) |
| 21:53.37 | pickcoder | karsten: Ladybridge Ltd |
| 21:53.41 | karsten | Acc\Deny: Otherwise, callbacks are somewhat typical. |
| 21:53.45 | karsten | !u |
| 21:53.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:54.17 | Acc\Deny | telnet or ssh. |
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| 21:54.25 | karsten | pickcoder: I meant that less in a "what's their name" than what's the relationshiop. Is this an employer, client, ? |
| 21:54.42 | pickcoder | karsten: I'm a contributor to the project |
| 21:54.43 | pstickne | !wud |
| 21:54.43 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
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| 21:54.54 | embrik | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.57 | karsten | Acc\Deny: First off: do *NOT* use or offer telnet There's absoloutely no reason to do so SSH clients are available for every conceivable platform. |
| 21:55.02 | pstickne | !ne1 |
| 21:55.02 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 21:55.26 | karsten | pstickne: /msg the bots. |
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| 21:55.42 | Acc\Deny | karsten: Agreed on SSH. What i had in mind was that if user A is logged in from IP1 then, any attempt by A to login from any other IP should be denied. |
| 21:55.49 | pickcoder | karsten: QM was originally a commercial-only application. They decided to dual-license it under a modified GPL, to help expand the product. |
| 21:56.13 | karsten | pickcoder: And they want to track downloads? |
| 21:56.39 | karsten | pickcoder: My suggestion: don't set up hurdles like that. If you're talking about access-restricting the _non-free_ version of the product, that's another story. |
| 21:56.50 | pickcoder | karsten: the proxy auth worked for regular http auth, thanks. |
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| 21:57.24 | gallus | eureka it's work again |
| 21:57.28 | karsten | pickcoder: Cool. |
| 21:57.55 | cydork | !beer pickcoder karsten |
| 21:58.02 | pickcoder | karsten: I want to freely distribute it on Debian's package list. However, I really don't think that'll ever happen. |
| 21:58.07 | dondelelcaro | and more importantly, writing modified versions of common licenses is a really, really bad idea. |
| 21:58.18 | dondelelcaro | you'll almost always get it wrong |
| 21:58.53 | karsten | Acc\Deny: I'm not sure that that's readily possible. The idea of a login session is _slightly_ nebulous, as users can spwn multiple shells, etc. You might be able to do things with ulimits, etc. What sort of access are these users supposed to have? Full shell, limited shell, menu-driven type acount, what? |
| 21:58.54 | gallus | cydork: can I remove every directory concernig hotplug? |
| 21:59.15 | SerajewelKS | can anyone suggest a good sound editor that can (1) open MP3 files, (2) align tracks, and (3) downmix stereo tracks to mono? audacity does all but (3) |
| 21:59.22 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: you are preaching to the choir. I didn't choose the licensing scheme. I'm just free labor to the open source project. |
| 21:59.42 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: the best is ecasound, but the user interface is rather, um, wierd. |
| 21:59.59 | karsten | pickcoder: ... ditto what dondelecaro said. "Modified GPL" is pretty much bullshit. Figure the costs of doing that at about a half million dollars: lawer time, marketing time, and then multiple revises before you either go with a "freeware" (binary d/l w/ redistribution) or true FSF/OSI Free Software / Open Source license. |
| 22:00.15 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: if you like audacity, you can do whatever you need in audacity, then do the downmixing in ecasound on the command line |
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| 22:00.29 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i've used weirder i bet (cinelerra) |
| 22:00.31 | gallus | do you think that /usr/lib/hotplug and /etc/hotplug can be removed |
| 22:00.32 | pickcoder | karsten: supposedly, they did and what they released was lawyer approved |
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| 22:00.43 | Acc\Deny | karsten: its an LTSP scenario. |
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| 22:00.47 | karsten | pickcoder: I've been down that road several times. Usually succeeded in discouraging the use of a new license. |
| 22:01.02 | pickcoder | karsten: there have been several months of GPL arguments and I'm not getting into it here, because I change anything about it |
| 22:01.05 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i could always downmix with sox too |
| 22:01.15 | pickcoder | s/change/can't change |
| 22:01.16 | karsten | pickcoder: "lawyer approved" means jack and shite. I'd strongly suggest you get some folks to talk on the OSI license-discuss list or principles there. |
| 22:01.36 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: hmm ecasound.. no gui? |
| 22:01.37 | karsten | pickcoder: Understood, just chipping in my $0.02. |
| 22:01.37 | gallus | I reboot see you soon |
| 22:02.21 | karsten | Acc\Deny: LTSP. OK, gotchya. Local access only or possible remote from outside? |
| 22:02.34 | pickcoder | karsten: hey.. I totally agree! So do a lot of the developers who are interested in the project. However, Ladybridge has put their foot down about the license(s). Will that kill the project? It hasn't yet. |
| 22:02.45 | pickcoder | we'll see! |
| 22:02.47 | pickcoder | brb |
| 22:02.53 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: it has a few, but the command line is the most powerful by far. |
| 22:03.00 | Acc\Deny | karsten: local only at the moment. |
| 22:03.12 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: well this alignment is going to need visual.. =/ |
| 22:03.16 | dondelelcaro | (since it has the least interference between talking directly to the ecasound libraries that actually do the work) |
| 22:03.23 | karsten | pickcoder: /msg me |
| 22:03.36 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: there are wave displayers (ecawave, FE) if you need to see the wave patterns |
| 22:03.53 | karsten | Acc\Deny: OK. You might be able to hack something into your *dm config to restrict to a single session. |
| 22:04.03 | eleftherios | since pbuilder does not work here, would anyone be kind enough to rebuild a package for me please? |
| 22:04.17 | karsten | Acc\Deny: Not bulletproof, but for a restricted deployment, Good Enough[tm]. |
| 22:04.18 | dondelelcaro | eleftherios: why doesn't pbuilder work? |
| 22:04.24 | eleftherios | pbuilder (on Etch) fails with "hostname: No address associated with name" when I try to build or update. This is on a fresh install |
| 22:04.39 | dondelelcaro | eleftherios: you need to add your hostname to /etc/hosts |
| 22:04.46 | eleftherios | it is there dondelelcaro |
| 22:04.53 | karsten | Acc\Deny: You'll also want to have a carve-out admins list which is unrestricted for support / debug / admin purposes. |
| 22:04.55 | eleftherios | I have checked this :-) |
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| 22:05.07 | dondelelcaro | eleftherios: clearly not, or you haven't rerun hostname. You should be able to ping $(hostname) and ping $(hostname --fqdn) |
| 22:05.41 | dondelelcaro | (or the entry hasn't been stuck into /etc/hostname, which is also a posibility) |
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| 22:06.30 | Acc\Deny | karsten: Ok. hmm Agreed on the admins list! thanx |
| 22:06.32 | eleftherios | dondelelcaro, oh I mean I have checked /etc/hostname |
| 22:06.35 | karsten | Acc\Deny: What's LTSP's (or your system, if different) login / auth mechanism? I thought it as XDMCP or variant, right? |
| 22:06.37 | sgeigerbot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:06.51 | eleftherios | dondelelcaro, I will check /etc/hosts |
| 22:07.02 | karsten | Acc\Deny: And is this "restrict user A to log in *only* from IP X", or "restrict user A to a single login only"? |
| 22:07.09 | karsten | sgeigerbot: Yo. |
| 22:07.26 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: sweet, it crashed |
| 22:07.40 | karsten | sgeigerbot: I'd expect it's some "dhclient*.d/" directory w/ runfiles? |
| 22:08.16 | sgeigerbot | karsten: I'm not on a Debian box at the moment, but I'm trying to add a comment to debian-administration.org, and it would be nice to know the name of the file. |
| 22:08.28 | sgeigerbot | karsten: do you know? do you know? do you know? |
| 22:08.30 | eleftherios | dondelelcaro, that was it. Thank you. |
| 22:08.36 | karsten | sgeigerbot: No. No. No. |
| 22:08.56 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: Do you have something to eat? |
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| 22:10.44 | Acc\Deny | karsten: its XDMCP. Um.. well what i have in mind is that, user A may be allowed multiple logins (say 5) from the same IP; I dont want them to think I am too cruel to only allow single login. What I dont want to happen is that the same user be logged in from different IPs simulataneously. |
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| 22:10.56 | karsten | Acc\Deny: Another issue to deal with is stale handles. You have to be able to clear these, have them cleared periodically, or override them, if a user gets disconnected but the system thinks they're still logged in. |
| 22:11.03 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: I'm cooking rice to which I'll add fried spam |
| 22:11.05 | sgeigerbot | karsten: do you have dhcp3 installed? I found this file mentioned in my notes: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/debug |
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| 22:11.24 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: There's a SPAM festival in Austin, TX soon. If you are in the area, you should go. |
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| 22:11.34 | kooox | ive tried to install backtrack .. it writes and modifies the mbr so i cannot boot from windows anymore , ive refixed the mbr now with Windows but i cannot get a dual boot menu , it boots in windows only , how to ? |
| 22:12.24 | karsten | sgeigerbot: No. |
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| 22:12.55 | Acc\Deny | karsten: hmmm, I guess my goal(s) is/are not straight-forward. that explains why google couldn't find the answers :) |
| 22:13.00 | gallus | solved |
| 22:13.12 | gallus | thank you very much |
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| 22:13.37 | gallus | in particular thanks to bof*8* |
| 22:13.59 | gallus | now my wireless card works again |
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| 22:14.19 | gallus | have a nice night a good weekend see you soon |
| 22:14.23 | gallus | bye |
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| 22:15.05 | karsten | Acc\Deny: I'm thinking that a hook on login to set a flag, a periodic check to see that that flag state is clean, and a prior login check to see that the flag is set to the proper state, might work. |
| 22:15.09 | karrot-x | how does one install a .deb? |
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| 22:15.50 | karsten | Acc\Deny: Eg: you've got an "admins" group. They're excempt. Also any system daemons, etc. You've got a "normal users" group, the folks you want to be able to restrict.. |
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| 22:15.51 | sgeigerbot | karrot-x: dpkg -i <debfile> |
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| 22:15.57 | karsten | karrot-x: man dpkg ap-tget aptitude |
| 22:16.01 | karsten | apt-get. |
| 22:16.09 | sgeigerbot | karsten: are you kidding? |
| 22:16.19 | sgeigerbot | karsten: hmm...perhaps that resolves dependencies, too. |
| 22:17.12 | karsten | Acc\Deny: One option would be to add the normal users to 'loggedin' or 'active' when htey log in, and remove them from that group when they log out. Periodically walk the list of users in 'active' and preen anyone who doesn't have an active session running. |
| 22:17.40 | karsten | Acc\Deny: Then the test becomes a pam_succeed_if test: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/sag-pam_succeed_if.html |
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| 22:18.13 | Acc\Deny | karsten: PAM!? 0_o hmm ok.. |
| 22:19.03 | Acc\Deny | karsten: I have never fiddled with PAM. Is this creature stable and/or well-accepted? |
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| 22:20.04 | karsten | Acc\Deny: Stable and widely deployed: yes. Comprehensible to mere mortals? No. |
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| 22:20.31 | karsten | Acc\Deny: PAM *is* the standard Linux authentication odular modification mechansim. |
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| 22:21.44 | Acc\Deny | karsten: ok! |
| 22:21.54 | freeone3000 | PAM..? Is the thing that does what shadow does, or another thing? |
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| 22:26.35 | karsten | freeone3000: IIRC pam may be used to specify shadow/non-shadow passwd. |
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| 22:28.55 | Acc\Deny | karsten: Thank you for your time. |
| 22:29.28 | teardrop | how do I remove a package in debian that claims to not have been installed? |
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| 22:30.37 | karsten | Acc\Deny: NP |
| 22:30.48 | karsten | teardrop: install then remove it, frequently works. |
| 22:31.01 | teardrop | karsten: I've tried that |
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| 22:31.10 | teardrop | even after installing dpkg thinks it's not installed |
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| 22:31.25 | teardrop | the package i tried installing is truecrypt btw |
| 22:31.29 | eleftherios | I am trying to rebuild php5 but the pbuilder build fails with error about unmet dependencies (apache2-prefork-dev: Depends: libapr0-dev (= 2.0.55-4.1) but it is not going to be installed, Depends: libdb4.3-dev but it is not going to be installed). Any pointers please? |
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| 22:33.12 | roue | hello |
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| 22:35.15 | karsten | teardrop: get a listing of files, manually remove them, confirm that it's not in your /var/lib/dpkg/status file. |
| 22:35.46 | freeone3000 | eleftherios: INstall those. |
| 22:35.57 | roue | I'm trying to install sarge on a box whose SATA/PATA controller is only supported in kernel 2.6.17. I've got the netinstall iso image copied to a usb key with syslinux. It boots, but with the 2.6.8 kernel it doesn't see any drives. I've build 2.6.17.13 on another box and copied the bzimage over to the usb key and it will boot, but now it says it can't find the root. By default deb is pointing at /dev/rd/0 (or suchlike), but that's de |
| 22:35.58 | roue | vfs nomenclature that (I think) doesn't exist in 2.6.17. I've tried /dev/rd0, placed the cdrom in the drive and tried /dev/cdrom ... it doesn't like anything. Any suggestions? thanks. |
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| 22:37.00 | karsten | teardrop: I'm not finding that as a standard package. Are you sure that's a Debian package? |
| 22:37.02 | eleftherios | freeone3000, perhaps pbuilder does not install them because they conflict with other packages needed for the rebuilding of the package |
| 22:37.35 | freeone3000 | eleftherios: Or just other packages in general. Try it and see... and if they do, you're in trouble. |
| 22:37.36 | teardrop | karsten: it's not a debian package, it's a .deb packaged for ubuntu off the truecrypt site |
| 22:37.53 | freeone3000 | Last I checked, Ubuntu and Debian .debs wern't the same. |
| 22:38.27 | karsten | teardrop: OK. As I said: get a file listing and manually remove those files. Confirm your status file doesn't reference the package. Check if there are any prerm / postrm scripts and/or cleanup (not likely) you need to do. |
| 22:39.56 | teardrop | karsten: when I did 'cat /var/lib/dpkg/status | grep truecrypt' I got "Package: truecrypt -- Maintainer TrueCrypt Foundation" |
| 22:40.51 | karsten | teardrop: That's a text file. Create a backup (you should already have one), and edit out the truecrypt stanza. |
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| 22:42.18 | teardrop | karsten: alright, do you think trying to remove the package with dselect would work? |
| 22:42.46 | karsten | teardrop: Might, might not. What I gave you is pretty much the ultimate "how do I clean up manually" solution. |
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| 22:43.45 | teardrop | karsten: I'll try manual way if dselect doesn't work, but...how do you search for a string in vi? |
| 22:44.15 | karsten | teardrop: '/string' |
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| 22:44.49 | teardrop | karsten: so.../truecrypt in my case? |
| 22:44.59 | karsten | teardrop: Yep. |
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| 22:45.04 | teardrop | alright |
| 22:45.29 | karsten | teardrop: /^Package: truecrypt |
| 22:45.35 | karsten | teardrop: ... will find the start of the package entry itself, as opposed to other mentions of it. |
| 22:47.54 | karsten | HP/ CNNMoney: Patricia Dunn: Are you lying or incompetent? |
| 22:47.56 | roue | anyone? |
| 22:48.09 | karsten | Haysoos.... |
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| 22:48.33 | karsten | roue: linux26 boot option, I think. |
| 22:48.36 | karsten | !linux26 |
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| 22:48.52 | karsten | roue: ... should give you a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 22:49.40 | teardrop | karsten: thank you for everything, I was able to remove it with dpkg eventually by using the info in the status file |
| 22:49.48 | roue | karsten it does, but it's 2.6.8 and I need 2.6.17 to see my SATA/PATA controller. |
| 22:50.05 | karsten | teardrop: Cool. |
| 22:50.18 | roue | so I've built 2.6.17 and dumped it on a USB key. it boots, sees the drives, but I'm stuck at trying to figure out what the root= value should be. |
| 22:50.32 | karsten | roue: Gotchya. debtakeover and/or chroot install from a 2..17 boot disk. |
| 22:51.01 | karsten | roue: Ah. /dev/sda<partitionnumber> |
| 22:51.05 | roue | karsten I don't understand what you're suggesting. |
| 22:51.13 | roue | ah. make root= my usb key? |
| 22:51.17 | roue | /dev/sda1 ? |
| 22:51.32 | karsten | roue: your sata drives should show as scsi devices. |
| 22:51.37 | roue | it is. |
| 22:51.51 | roue | but it doesn't have a linux partition on it yet. I'm trying to install. |
| 22:52.02 | karsten | roue: If you're using grub, you can manually modify your boot config at boot time (for that boot only). Including tab-completion of available devices. |
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| 22:52.25 | roue | I'm just using an image of the debian netinstall. it doesn't use grub. |
| 22:52.27 | karsten | roue: If you're booting with the USB key as root, then your USB key *is* root. /dev/sda or /dev/sda1. |
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| 22:52.31 | roue | what should I be installing from instead? |
| 22:52.53 | karsten | roue: .... I'm not sure USB keys are partitioned or not. 'fdisk -l' should tell you, from another system, if you've got it. |
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| 22:52.55 | roue | I'll give root=/dev/sda1 a shot |
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| 22:53.03 | karsten | USB key should be fine for install once you sort boot. |
| 22:53.07 | Ono | how can i stop gdm? |
| 22:53.10 | roue | I was able to mount it before. it is vfat though. |
| 22:53.23 | eleftherios | freeone3000, yes I am in trouble. I just discovered the conflict |
| 22:53.26 | Xenguy | Ono: ./etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 22:53.30 | karsten | Ono: /etc/ini |
| 22:53.34 | Xenguy | Ono: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 22:53.38 | eleftherios | freeone3000, it is between the packages that are needed according to the control file |
| 22:53.39 | Ono | pl thanks Xenguy |
| 22:53.43 | karsten | Ono: What Xenguy said |
| 22:53.50 | Xenguy | Ono: yw |
| 22:53.54 | karsten | Ono: Permanently? remove it, or man update-rc.d |
| 22:54.02 | karsten | Xenguy: "Yeah, whatever"? |
| 22:54.05 | xplic1t | i'm having some problems running gnome for the first time. it can't find Xserver: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3670 , please explain |
| 22:54.14 | Xenguy | karsten: heh (yer welcome) |
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| 22:55.43 | dvs | !install gnome |
| 22:55.43 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 22:56.06 | xplic1t | !set up x |
| 22:56.06 | dpkg | somebody said set up x was First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 22:56.26 | roue | no joy. cannot open root device sda1 or unknown block (0,0) |
| 22:57.21 | roue | I think it's trying to mount the initrd as root. I don't know what device that's attached to. |
| 22:57.24 | karsten | roue: As I said: you should be able to tab-complete to find available devices. |
| 22:57.33 | karsten | roue: /dev/ramfs IIRC. |
| 22:57.33 | roue | karsten it's not grub. |
| 22:57.37 | karsten | roue: Ah. |
| 22:57.45 | karsten | roue: That sucks. What's your bootloader? |
| 22:57.51 | roue | it's syslinux. |
| 22:58.03 | roue | if there's a better deb install media to use I'd give it a shot. |
| 22:58.17 | karsten | roue: Can you use a CD? Netinst? |
| 22:58.37 | roue | I can use a CD (was using the 3.1r2 netinstall cd. |
| 22:58.39 | karsten | roue: As I mentioned earlier, a recent bootable disk can be used to launch debtakeover or a chroot install |
| 22:58.46 | c|int | hey guys, ya know 128 mb in kB, I forgot the command to grep | for video.. and I"m at, configuring xserver-xorg.. I"m actually reverse engineering Xandros around, as I wait on Debian 4 "etch" stable |
| 22:58.50 | karsten | !tell roue about debtakeover |
| 22:58.55 | karsten | !tell roue about chroot install |
| 22:59.05 | azeem | debtakeover is woody-only |
| 22:59.05 | dvs | c|int: 131072 |
| 22:59.09 | c|int | hey ty |
| 22:59.28 | c|int | I lost my dang notebook, paper I had that wrote down, >_<, thanks much |
| 22:59.33 | karsten | roue: Key is: you don't need to restrict yourself to Debina install CDs. *Any* Linux boot CD with the kernel you need will work. |
| 22:59.37 | karsten | azeem: Thanks. |
| 23:00.01 | roue | okay |
| 23:00.07 | roue | I'll keep at it. |
| 23:00.08 | karsten | roue: knoppix 5.0.1 uses 2.6.17 |
| 23:00.14 | karsten | roue: Start torrenting. |
| 23:00.22 | roue | good suggestion. |
| 23:00.24 | karsten | roue: http://www.knoppix.org/ |
| 23:00.26 | c|int | hey dvs |
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| 23:00.37 | karsten | roue: I wrote the docs for chroot install. Debian Install Manual, appendeix C4 |
| 23:00.41 | dvs | mmmmmm... yes/ |
| 23:01.10 | c|int | ya want to help me reconfigure Xandros 4, premium around.. I'm having some problems with my video card, and thing is.. when I had Xandros Business.. it was np, or even, Xandros deluxe 3, open source circulation, I wonder what could be wrong |
| 23:01.36 | dvs | c|int: I have never used Xandros |
| 23:01.52 | c|int | I still am into the whole debian thing, thats what got me to see the debian world.. was Xandros. however, I have fun changing the way Xandros is.. and plan to engineer with debian 4 "etch" its just I"m so busy in the IT world. |
| 23:02.03 | roue | karsten I've done the chroot install before (created a new image for an ltsp box). I'll give that a shot. thanks. |
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| 23:02.18 | c|int | its actually not, bad, especially when you start editing repositories, and building your own software, from source |
| 23:03.09 | c|int | but if you want to install other software thats not precompile for Xandros, its best to do it from source, and compile it into your system, install of installing deb's meant for debian, |
| 23:03.30 | karsten | roue: OK, it's one of my favorites ;-) |
| 23:03.32 | c|int | some can work, some may not.. but thats open source.. so :) |
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| 23:03.54 | c|int | you guys think I should let it have framebuffer, on an nvidia GeForce FX |
| 23:04.16 | dvs | c|int: If you're configuring X, NO |
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| 23:05.48 | c|int | k |
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| 23:06.26 | karrot-x | how can i completely remove everything related to apache and apache2, then reinstall both? |
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| 23:07.23 | karsten | karrot-x: removing apache / apach2 base and common packages should do that. |
| 23:07.49 | karrot-x | well i removed apache2, then i deleted /etc/apache2, and now i went to install apache2 |
| 23:07.50 | c|int | should I take out, int10, and vbe, because I'm running on agp, |
| 23:07.51 | karsten | karrot-x: confirm via your 'dpkg -l' output. Mind you may remove other dependent packages (dwww, blog software, etc.). |
| 23:07.55 | karrot-x | the /etc/apache2 was no recreated |
| 23:08.23 | karsten | karrot-x: aptitude install apache2 |
| 23:08.42 | karsten | karrot-x: Mind too: if you want to re-configure them, you'll want to purge. If you want t preserve configs, just remove. |
| 23:08.48 | c|int | oh cool tuv |
| 23:08.53 | c|int | I bet that makes ya feel good :) |
| 23:08.56 | tuv | c|int, yeah |
| 23:08.56 | c|int | wish I had 1 too:) |
| 23:09.13 | c|int | I'm going get a freeBSD shirt, and a debian shirt, and a Xandros shirt, just to have em ;) |
| 23:09.42 | c|int | I make XAndros users happy, when I start stripping things out of there systems, so it can be more debian like, and more power :) |
| 23:09.57 | c|int | I can't wait to get this SGI system, :D |
| 23:09.58 | karsten | c|int: multi-boot wardrobe? |
| 23:10.04 | c|int | yea ;P |
| 23:10.08 | c|int | -> http://www.sgi.com/products/servers/altix/4000/ |
| 23:10.13 | c|int | <-- open minded :-) |
| 23:11.19 | c|int | me runs ACronis Disk Director Suite, am an IT m8... so got to be into it all, and experience into it, I just don't know near enough with customizing hardware, and drivers yet, but I will, in windows alot of it.. hacking services.. register, and with vista, but I dont' like working on vista.. because its so dang buggy index, |
| 23:11.47 | karrot-x | this is very weird |
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| 23:12.17 | karrot-x | i'll run a command such as `apt-get upgrade` and then i'll hit `n` |
| 23:12.41 | karrot-x | then i'll run apt-get install apache2 and it acts as if i ran `apt-get upgrade` and chose `n` again |
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| 23:14.02 | Ono | i need help for install nvidia driver |
| 23:14.07 | Ono | i get this error |
| 23:14.15 | tuv | c|int, what's so special about this machine? (i've 0-experience with sgi hardware) |
| 23:14.16 | Ono | Unable to determine the version of the kernel sources located in |
| 23:14.16 | Ono | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.17 | c|int | sup Ono |
| 23:14.24 | c|int | lol |
| 23:14.30 | Ono | but this is my kernel sources |
| 23:14.33 | c|int | alots special about the super computing hardware lol |
| 23:14.55 | c|int | you hear that they, are able and discovered, how to view STarter Molecule , for HIV< |
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| 23:15.12 | c|int | once they able to figure out how to stop it , from developing.. hence and cough cough.. HIV wont' be able to form |
| 23:15.23 | c|int | thus , won't start and develop into HIV, or Aids |
| 23:15.38 | c|int | there the ones that released, xfs, file system , to linux, gpl, |
| 23:16.03 | c|int | I just don't have the money yet, for 1 of there Atlix systems :P |
| 23:16.11 | c|int | I'm going get 1 though, and run debian on it, as well |
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| 23:16.20 | karrot-x | karsten: how do you purge? |
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| 23:16.27 | c|int | Red Hat, and SuSE can kiss ma butt. :-) |
| 23:16.37 | tuv | Ono, do you run stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 23:16.44 | Ono | unstable |
| 23:16.57 | tuv | Ono, which kernel? |
| 23:16.57 | karsten | karrot-x: prune juice |
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| 23:17.03 | karsten | karrot-x: man aptitude |
| 23:17.05 | Ono | 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 23:17.51 | tuv | Ono, did you try "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.17-1-686 nvidia-glx"? |
| 23:18.02 | Ono | its not instaling |
| 23:18.17 | tuv | Ono, what happens exactly? |
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| 23:18.23 | teardrop | Ono: what seems to be the problem, I just installed nvidia on 2.6.17 a couple hours ago |
| 23:18.26 | c|int | erm |
| 23:18.31 | Ono | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 23:18.31 | Ono | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:18.54 | teardrop | Ono: you need to install nvidia-kernel |
| 23:19.03 | c|int | maybe I should just get a binary cd, for debian, 4 "etch" .. and work with that, on my workstation, and possibly., notebook, but, I am trying debate, should get the first dvd ? wouldn't that be better than 1 binary cd? |
| 23:19.04 | teardrop | Ono: did you try using module assistant? |
| 23:19.08 | karsten | karrot-x: It's an operation under apt-get / aptitude |
| 23:19.10 | Ono | no |
| 23:19.17 | eml | Don't use the packages distributed in your sources IMO... get another kernel, then use module-assistant to prepare, then install gcc-4.0 and do CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 sh NVIDIA*.run |
| 23:19.20 | eml | That one works :) |
| 23:19.25 | karsten | karrot-x: ... and I *do* recommend you read the manpage as you will permenantly remove data. |
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| 23:19.28 | Ono | i'll try teardrop |
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| 23:19.38 | freeone3000 | c|int: For etch, the packages online are more often up to date than a CD or DVD. You'll probably want to get your packages from there. |
| 23:19.40 | karrot-x | karsten: woops |
| 23:19.56 | freeone3000 | c|int: You could do a netinst cd and just change the version to whatever you wish. |
| 23:19.58 | c|int | hey, tuv , thanks on that bud, I've got nvidia in my workstatin, so I'm with ya al lon that too |
| 23:20.08 | karsten | karrot-x: In the case of databases, etc., this includes local DB files. |
| 23:20.22 | c|int | well erm ,thats where I got to talk with yo ugusy about that, |
| 23:20.27 | teardrop | Ono: aptitude install nvidia-kernel-common |
| 23:20.29 | c|int | I have this issue with wireless on linux.. |
| 23:20.37 | karrot-x | damnit how do i install the apache2 full version? |
| 23:20.47 | teardrop | Ono: oh and aptitude install module-assistant |
| 23:20.54 | karrot-x | everytime i do aptitude install or apt-get it does not install the config directory |
| 23:21.03 | teardrop | Ono: then do 'm-a update' then 'm-a prepare' |
| 23:21.05 | tuv | c|int, what issue? |
| 23:21.23 | teardrop | Ono: lastly "m-a auto-install nvidia" |
| 23:21.57 | c|int | I figured it out actually np, and hee with Xandros.. had to replace the firmware they had, with my firmware, in /lib/firmware, dam broadcom. erm hate em.. I"m on windows right now, talkin to you all but I was reading on that wi-fi radar, I need something for linxu to work like it does on windows. for my connection to work properly |
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| 23:22.07 | c|int | I didn't actually figure things out, until messing with ubuntu, to get my wireless working, and vmware, but then I compelled to work with debian again, and hack Xandros, I have fun with alot of things, hee |
| 23:22.17 | Ono | teardrop, thanks i trying |
| 23:22.36 | c|int | its like when the programmer for Gentoo, went to FreeBSD, then got vision, then rewrote things, hee |
| 23:22.36 | teardrop | Ono: alright |
| 23:22.36 | c|int | see my point |
| 23:22.37 | c|int | ;P |
| 23:23.06 | c|int | hey freeone3000 , I'm listenin to ya buddy |
| 23:23.16 | c|int | all ears. for any good advice, |
| 23:23.41 | Guerin | none of that in #debian on a sunday |
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| 23:24.10 | tuv | is it sunday already? |
| 23:24.12 | cydork | fuck it's sunday i need to sleep |
| 23:24.14 | c|int | Xandros is lacking, in support for workstation, and I'm having to edit alot of things.. and dang it.. Version Business 3, and deluxe , and oc , worked, for nvidia.. erm.. I just don't have connection for workstation... dang it, why can't debian have self contained packages, like PC_BSD .. >_< |
| 23:24.45 | c|int | I'm going start compiling self contained packages , in debian, for the world ... :-) |
| 23:25.02 | c|int | see, like.. programmer for gentoo got the vision when he went to FReeBSd, then he wrote, gentoo.. :P |
| 23:25.09 | tuv | what debian packages are you referring to, c|int ? |
| 23:25.13 | c|int | heya Guerin :) |
| 23:25.18 | c|int | oh lol |
| 23:25.27 | c|int | depandancies, sometimes people don't have tim efor lol |
| 23:25.32 | c|int | ;P |
| 23:25.46 | tuv | c|int, are you ok?? |
| 23:25.50 | teardrop | lol |
| 23:25.50 | c|int | if I had active connection for my workstation, I would, compile software from source lol |
| 23:25.56 | c|int | nope lol |
| 23:26.00 | c|int | battling with Xandros,, |
| 23:26.05 | jetscreamer | everyday is sunday |
| 23:26.13 | c|int | and waiting on dam etch stable to be released... >_< |
| 23:26.13 | teardrop | self-contained packages would take up a shitload more space |
| 23:26.22 | cydork | jetscreamer, get a job then :) |
| 23:26.23 | c|int | December is too such a long time away :( |
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| 23:26.36 | c|int | yea, tru teardrop , but not compressed :D |
| 23:26.43 | jetscreamer | i meant the #debian type sunday |
| 23:26.45 | c|int | eh, maybe I should try slackware, lol.. :P |
| 23:26.56 | c|int | even though I know jank about how the system works... ;P |
| 23:27.04 | jetscreamer | everyday is monday like that, for me, cydork :/ |
| 23:27.05 | teardrop | I want to try slackware some time |
| 23:27.09 | c|int | ah |
| 23:27.17 | cydork | jetscreamer, hehe same here.. |
| 23:27.17 | c|int | well, maybe me and you can work together, on it, eh? |
| 23:27.30 | Guerin | slaskware isn't work |
| 23:27.34 | c|int | or cydork too, I want to make some good open source friends :) |
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| 23:27.46 | c|int | hey Guerin , dang u... :D |
| 23:27.53 | c|int | ;) |
| 23:27.59 | teardrop | I actually saved 6 gigs on my harddrive for a slackware install |
| 23:28.01 | Guerin | at least, not to use. Getting packages installed and configured is work, and the cruft which accumulates as you have to resolve deps manually is painful |
| 23:28.14 | edmundo_v | does anyone here uses querybts, to query bug reports? |
| 23:28.31 | harmfool | someone knows some tool to composite trance goa psy music ? |
| 23:28.32 | jetscreamer | i have apt-listbugs installed edmundo_v |
| 23:28.41 | jetscreamer | or did last install rather |
| 23:28.44 | ttick | anyone recommend a good CLI linux passwd vault program? |
| 23:28.51 | Guerin | harmfool: why would there be a genre-specific tool? |
| 23:28.58 | jetscreamer | i'll put it back after i upgrade to sid |
| 23:28.59 | Guerin | that sounds like OSX methodology |
| 23:29.09 | Guerin | ttick: gpg |
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| 23:29.32 | ttick | Guerin: besides gpg? |
| 23:29.33 | harmfool | Guerin: you are right. Some tool to could composite electronic music |
| 23:29.38 | Guerin | ttick: pgp |
| 23:29.51 | ttick | Guerin: heh |
| 23:30.10 | Guerin | ttick: stupidity(question) == stupidity(answer) |
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| 23:30.35 | edmundo_v | jetscreamer, ok apt-listbugs is used by apt to show before install, but i was testinf querybts and couldnt make it work without putting the results on a browser |
| 23:30.38 | edmundo_v | using -w |
| 23:30.50 | c|int | hey all, anyone here got an SGI system? |
| 23:30.52 | jetscreamer | ah no idea |
| 23:31.09 | c|int | I'm goin get 1, just not right now. savin up for 1 though |
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| 23:31.12 | tuv | c|int, will you install debian on it? |
| 23:31.22 | c|int | yep |
| 23:31.24 | c|int | I Plan too |
| 23:31.26 | tuv | c|int, what's the price range? |
| 23:31.31 | c|int | with using xfs, defanately |
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| 23:31.44 | c|int | eh, I think 1 was qouted, over 10 grand |
| 23:32.04 | c|int | the Atlix 4000 has 128 gb of ram, lol.. |
| 23:32.07 | c|int | so what you think :P |
| 23:32.10 | edmundo_v | the python script just spits an error |
| 23:32.23 | c|int | I'll funkin run servers and all kinds of stuff :D |
| 23:32.26 | cydork | c|int, wtf? |
| 23:32.46 | c|int | wtf? |
| 23:32.53 | c|int | why wtf |
| 23:32.55 | c|int | I'm serious |
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| 23:33.19 | teardrop-afk | http://www.sgi.com/products/servers/altix/4000/features.html |
| 23:33.21 | Guerin | why do stupid people have all the money? |
| 23:33.33 | c|int | uh.. yeah |
| 23:33.39 | dvs | Guerin: ...and get voted president? |
| 23:33.44 | harmfool | Guerin: maybe because intelligent people dont get it ? |
| 23:33.48 | c|int | Guerin, , I don't have all the money, lool |
| 23:33.56 | c|int | working on it though, day to day, however :-) |
| 23:34.13 | teardrop-afk | "as much as 128 TB globally addressable memory!!!!!!!" |
| 23:34.17 | c|int | Guerin, , I'm stupid, I guess.. :-) |
| 23:34.32 | c|int | yeah, I feel that way.. I guess.. ^_^ |
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| 23:34.59 | c|int | only because I spend alot of time, taking care of peoples stupid mistakes with windows all the dam time.. >_< |
| 23:35.04 | teardrop-afk | c|int: how much does the altix 4000 cost? |
| 23:35.17 | c|int | its alot man |
| 23:35.26 | c|int | I'll call em up.. 1 min |
| 23:35.41 | teardrop-afk | ask how much the 4700 is |
| 23:35.48 | c|int | k |
| 23:35.54 | azeem | please discuss this elsewhere |
| 23:36.07 | teardrop-afk | it had debian on it........ |
| 23:36.11 | teardrop-afk | has* |
| 23:36.25 | azeem | what does that have to do with the price of it? |
| 23:36.48 | tuv | c|int, damn.. it ships with suse! |
| 23:37.00 | c|int | lol |
| 23:37.08 | c|int | well, I'll just ignore it, hee |
| 23:37.47 | c|int | you see all the dam government services, it has, for if you fill out form, and select for industry, who cares LOL |
| 23:37.57 | c|int | its a dam super computer, itself lOL |
| 23:38.18 | c|int | ya better have ADT< or some kind of security system, and insurrance in your home , apt, if you get 1 of those :P |
| 23:38.39 | teardrop | lol |
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| 23:39.01 | teardrop | power surge destroys the whole machine lol! |
| 23:39.03 | c|int | this is what I'm putting for my comments to SGI |
| 23:39.06 | c|int | lol |
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| 23:39.11 | c|int | hee |
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| 23:39.31 | Ono | teardrop, it's worked. Thank you very very much |
| 23:39.32 | c|int | thats why you hear, make sure you have a UPS, if you format your system, with xfs, |
| 23:39.38 | teardrop | Ono: no problem |
| 23:39.41 | c|int | give or take, ;) |
| 23:39.51 | c|int | I am wanting to know what kind of price range this will be in, and as well because I want to develop software and Artificial Intelligence on this system. |
| 23:40.00 | c|int | :P |
| 23:40.08 | teardrop | c|int: are you _actually_ going to get one of these? |
| 23:40.10 | chance2105 | I just ran a dist-upgrade, and now aptitude wants to remove seemingly half of my system if I just run it and hit "g". What's causing that? |
| 23:40.22 | c|int | and also I Didn't put... Pinky, same thing we do everyday.. try and take over the world.. :P |
| 23:40.27 | c|int | yes teardrop lol |
| 23:40.44 | teardrop | lol that is amazing |
| 23:40.56 | chance2105 | "Packages removed because they are no longer used.." |
| 23:40.57 | c|int | if I get rich, I'll send you 1, just because I could do it, hee, or give all people in debian channel, that I be cool with, 1 |
| 23:41.17 | c|int | then we can all start up a super cluster, with debian, and other systems, and do my vision.. :D |
| 23:41.37 | teardrop | hahaha |
| 23:41.37 | c|int | lol , network boots with debian.. lmao :P |
| 23:41.41 | c|int | people setting ther wireless to boot debian, lmao |
| 23:41.43 | dvs | chance2105: aptitude keeps track of packages that were loaded as a dependency on another package. |
| 23:41.54 | c|int | I just love technology m8 |
| 23:42.10 | c|int | and Guerin thinks I"m stupid, oh well, fact is, I knwo I"m not stupid |
| 23:42.14 | c|int | :) |
| 23:42.22 | chance2105 | dvs: Ok. So what metapackage was removed, or how do I make aptitude calm down? |
| 23:42.32 | teardrop | damn SGI isnt open on saturday :( |
| 23:42.34 | c|int | I would even give my enemies.. food and drink, and a place to sleep.. :) |
| 23:42.38 | dvs | chance2105: I don't use aptitude so I don't know |
| 23:43.11 | chance2105 | Hmm, ok. |
| 23:43.11 | c|int | I'm just going charge it , on credit corperate account, |
| 23:43.23 | c|int | I'l send ya picture of me, holding 1, lol teardrop , when I get 1 |
| 23:43.30 | c|int | :)) |
| 23:43.36 | teardrop | lol! |
| 23:43.41 | teardrop | can't wait |
| 23:43.47 | c|int | I wonder if Ian Murdock, has an SGI LOOL |
| 23:44.07 | c|int | Ask a Sales Rep |
| 23:44.07 | c|int | Thank you for your inquiry. You will be contacted by SGI within two business days, and a copy of your submission has been e-mailed to you. |
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| 23:44.47 | liable | c|int: is there really a need for this pointless drivel? |
| 23:44.53 | tedd | hello |
| 23:44.59 | c|int | Oki.. I"m done havin my fun lol |
| 23:45.01 | teardrop | I'm guessing that the altrix 4000 is going to be around 150,000 |
| 23:45.03 | c|int | sorry ;) |
| 23:45.20 | c|int | teardrop, , me got rich uncle, lol |
| 23:45.29 | c|int | I'l tell him.. its for my future, and man kind :-) |
| 23:45.44 | tedd | im having a problem connecting to the internet...usuing dhcp and getting an ip but my browser cant resolve anything |
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| 23:46.28 | liable | tedd: check /etc/resolv.conf change dns servers and try again |
| 23:46.44 | c|int | hey liable |
| 23:47.00 | c|int | would getting , debian dvd, be alot better than getting, 1 binary cd, |
| 23:47.09 | c|int | I am impatient on , debian 4 "etch" :( |
| 23:47.25 | tedd | c| int: thnx for the reply ....i've looked there...seems that the dns servers are automatically detected through the router |
| 23:47.56 | c|int | I dont' have an active connection for my workstation... long story.. hacking wireless.. neighbor... had to block some protocols. like igmp.. and others.. from them sending packets to knoc me off, ;) |
| 23:48.02 | tedd | and the router admin page is indicating only one dns server address but there appears to be 2 entries |
| 23:48.36 | tedd | i meant to talk to liable...my eyesight is going |
| 23:49.20 | garo | How i just do 'cat foo.patch bar.patch > foobar.patch' to combine 2 patches ? |
| 23:49.32 | garo | s/How/Can/ |
| 23:49.43 | c|int | hey teardrop-afk |
| 23:49.46 | ax7 | Hi |
| 23:50.10 | c|int | SGI systems wil run linux faster than any system in the world.. period |
| 23:50.33 | c|int | especially stand alone workstation.. not getting into clustering, but still have the power to keep up with network clustering |
| 23:51.08 | hobophobe | c|int, you mean any commercially available system? |
| 23:51.18 | c|int | yes, hobophobe |
| 23:51.22 | hobophobe | ah, okay |
| 23:51.35 | c|int | and dang it.. I'm not rich yet. to jus buy it right now.. erm |
| 23:51.45 | hobophobe | why you need to run stuff so fast? |
| 23:51.48 | c|int | man I could do so much development, and research on that, as an IT, |
| 23:51.59 | c|int | I'm getting and studying into artificial intelligence programming |
| 23:52.25 | c|int | I have plans with developing, A.I. modules on debian, and so users can interact with a system, and command it to do virtually anything the system is capable of doing, |
| 23:52.44 | c|int | carpel tunnel, is going to go out the door for the world :) |
| 23:53.24 | c|int | get this, my best friend told me I was going design something like the matrix, I told him he was ful of it, but now that I think.. eh, I think I'm going design a virtual world as well, hee |
| 23:53.26 | mutk | c|int, Sounds like voice recognition would do.. |
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| 23:53.39 | c|int | I would like to design a linux, and call it.. virtual linux |
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| 23:53.48 | c|int | mutk.. more accurate |
| 23:53.53 | hobophobe | mutk? |
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| 23:53.55 | c|int | more appealing |
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| 23:54.02 | c|int | etc etc bla bla, yada yada.. |
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| 23:54.15 | c|int | did you guys see that commercial with the A.I. and the guy talkin to it.. well I had plans like that. back in 2004 |
| 23:54.16 | IndyBC | Hello. I have written a Python program. How can I make it a Debian package? |
| 23:54.26 | azeem | c|int: please stay on topic |
| 23:54.36 | c|int | i WILL SORRY azeem |
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| 23:54.43 | macOnki | c|int: suppose you mean xen? |
| 23:55.12 | tuv | c|int, how old are you? if i may ask |
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| 23:55.14 | c|int | hey azeem, can you give me some advice, on get , debian cd binary, or dvd, because I dont' have active connection for my workstation right now, but I want to install it, and also on laptop.. but can get wireless working, just need some info on that wi-fi radar.. |
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| 23:55.28 | c|int | 24, why tuv, |
| 23:55.31 | azeem | c|int: ask the channel, not individuals, please |
| 23:55.49 | c|int | does open source, have a color as well, I suppose you want to know my nationality, and color? |
| 23:55.52 | tuv | c|int, young ambitions :) |
| 23:56.22 | c|int | well yes, and I will have them and accomplish them, because I am determined, with or without support |
| 23:56.34 | macOnki | open source doesn't give a shit about color or race |
| 23:56.47 | c|int | to the channel, what do you recommend , getting cd binary , or dvd, for installing debian stand alone without internet |
| 23:56.53 | c|int | yeah, I was stating point :) |
| 23:56.54 | sysop | I agree, GNR, gnus not racist |
| 23:57.13 | c|int | like tuv had said.. clint, how old are you? if I may ask, |
| 23:57.20 | c|int | what does that have to deal with the price and tea in china :) |
| 23:57.21 | azeem | c|int: you possibly have internet, just not during the installer? |
| 23:57.25 | azeem | then get the first full CD |
| 23:57.27 | c|int | j/k tuv |
| 23:57.37 | c|int | correct.. :) |
| 23:57.46 | macOnki | or the base cd |
| 23:57.48 | c|int | no. .not on workstation.. neighbor, is letting me use wireless |
| 23:57.57 | c|int | I don't have an pci-pcmcia wi-fi |
| 23:58.16 | azeem | so do you have internet or not? |
| 23:58.19 | sysop | did they ever get the usb support for prism gt? |
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| 23:58.45 | azeem | c|int: how are you online right now? Are you typing on your neighbor's box? |
| 23:59.07 | c|int | that sholdn't be the matter.. shouldn't a user be able to install packages, and work with a system, if they have to use wireless, to get data, and then migrate to another system, see.. linux needs to stop being so dam dependable, on all these othe dependancies |
| 23:59.11 | sysop | hey guys I have aa lib question. not really debian except I installed it via apt-get. |
| 23:59.15 | c|int | azeem |
| 23:59.22 | c|int | I"m on my laptop./notebook.. |
| 23:59.34 | azeem | c|int: 01:50 < azeem> so do you have internet or not? |
| 23:59.38 | c|int | this is for my workstation, I"m getting VErizon DSL soon , |
| 23:59.45 | c|int | yes, I heard you.. |
| 23:59.54 | macOnki | azeem: he has, his neigbours wireles |
| 23:59.55 | azeem | well, try to answer the question |
