| 00:00.07 | sysop | anyway aa lib, how do you force it to use ncurses/slang over the x driver? I want to run it in a terminal. |
| 00:00.13 | c|int | the workstation doesn't have the internet.. I guess I could run a line, from my workstation. to my laptop, and have it use its connectin. lmao @ u |
| 00:00.14 | c|int | geesh |
| 00:00.22 | azeem | that doesn't say whether he can use it, or whether he can possibly go over to his neighbor and download/burn a CD, ratehr |
| 00:00.30 | c|int | azeem, |
| 00:00.37 | c|int | I can download the cd, dvd right now.. meh |
| 00:00.38 | sysop | the documetation is all about c code the tweaking page mentions it doesnt ell you how to do it. |
| 00:01.00 | macOnki | azeem: wireles does mean he can access it, it's not a cup of sugar |
| 00:01.07 | c|int | grr.. I'll just run a line from my workstation.. and hook it up to my laptop, and have my workstatin use my laptops connection to wireles.s. watch me. brb |
| 00:01.12 | azeem | c|int: if that box won't have networking, using Linux will be rather boring I guess |
| 00:01.27 | azeem | c|int: but get the first two CDs or the DVD, I suggest |
| 00:01.38 | c|int | not to me it won't.. be back after I ntework these systems together |
| 00:01.54 | c|int | I was asking, what would be in more benefit,, getting the cd 1 binary, or dvd binary |
| 00:02.05 | c|int | okay, ty.. now were gettin somewhere :) |
| 00:02.11 | sysop | hey I had a linux box with no network support in my bedroom, it was a great music/movieplayer/alarm clock |
| 00:02.14 | c|int | dvd it will be |
| 00:02.15 | azeem | that depends on whether you'd have to pay for the download by GB etc. |
| 00:02.27 | c|int | pay for download? |
| 00:02.31 | c|int | eh |
| 00:02.39 | c|int | eh, yeah, |
| 00:02.41 | azeem | c|int: this happens to be the case in large parts of the world |
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| 00:03.02 | c|int | sysop see's my meaning, I alreayd have some software and things i"md oing do.. so.. I just needed some good advice, on setup. |
| 00:03.12 | c|int | ya know what azeem thoougH? |
| 00:03.34 | c|int | I bet ya, I can route my workstation, and connect it to my laptop, and have the workstation , use my laptops wireless connection, and it will work, I jus bet |
| 00:03.48 | c|int | and have my laptop. act as a gateway |
| 00:03.55 | sysop | yea, conection sharing is easy |
| 00:04.06 | azeem | that was the "you possibly have internet, just not during the installer" question I asked above |
| 00:04.10 | c|int | heck, with hacking my cable modem ,and cable line in my area, dang I bet I can do things I just dont' know about.. gee |
| 00:04.16 | macOnki | make it serve dhcp too, then you can use the net install |
| 00:04.21 | c|int | I just am not a master of linux, open source, yet :) |
| 00:04.45 | c|int | I just need, category cat 5, eh, or crossover cables |
| 00:04.45 | azeem | c|int: so get the first CD, install it, come back here when you have issues with networking |
| 00:04.45 | c|int | ? |
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| 00:05.00 | sysop | go real hard core, do a floppy network install. |
| 00:05.00 | c|int | thanks sysop |
| 00:05.05 | c|int | and azeem, and macOnki |
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| 00:05.10 | c|int | lmao sysop |
| 00:05.24 | Sebo | how can I look into syslog ;> |
| 00:05.27 | sysop | hey I just did one 2 weeks ago. |
| 00:05.33 | c|int | come on guys lmao, your a gag, I'm not going do , alot of system install through wireless, I'll just get the first dvd, from testing |
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| 00:05.50 | sysop | I had a crappy ide card that wouldnt boot cds so I had to boot off of floppy. |
| 00:05.50 | c|int | and it took ya 2 weeks on wireless. :P, |
| 00:05.52 | c|int | j/k |
| 00:06.13 | Rug | Howdy all |
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| 00:06.18 | c|int | sysop, , is it possible to get the rigth files for nvida, so I dont' have to do apt-get, for my workstation? |
| 00:06.42 | eugman | What is the ram required to do a cd based install? |
| 00:06.45 | c|int | and as a matter of fact, I do think I have a crossover cable, |
| 00:06.55 | c|int | 24 eugman |
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| 00:06.57 | Rug | eugman: 32Mb IIRC |
| 00:07.03 | c|int | I do believe, but could be wrong |
| 00:07.07 | eugman | Oh dear. |
| 00:07.08 | sysop | yea, just look at the nvidia howto and make sure all the files its asking for are on thecd or download them and put them on the dvd. |
| 00:07.12 | jetscreamer | i think 24 also |
| 00:07.20 | c|int | oh cool |
| 00:07.22 | Rug | c|int: we can both agree: atleast 245MB |
| 00:07.24 | c|int | hey ty sysop |
| 00:07.30 | c|int | tru, |
| 00:07.31 | Rug | ack |
| 00:07.33 | Rug | I meant 24 |
| 00:07.35 | Sebo | Hi!! How to view syslog - Can you give me one command, please :) |
| 00:07.35 | eugman | Hmmm if i have 16 megs what are my options exactly |
| 00:07.36 | c|int | but 128, just all really needed |
| 00:07.40 | jetscreamer | add more? |
| 00:07.46 | c|int | its good to have 128 or more for linux though |
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| 00:07.51 | c|int | to enjoy it, |
| 00:07.52 | Rug | I can't spell... |
| 00:07.58 | Rug | I am all thimbs today |
| 00:08.02 | Rug | har |
| 00:08.04 | Rug | thumbs |
| 00:08.04 | macOnki | Sebo: tail. more, less, vi |
| 00:08.05 | c|int | ya hear me rantin and ravin on the sgi systems, sysop ;P |
| 00:08.07 | sysop | so clint is taken care, any help on my aa lib quesiton? how do you force the driver to ncurses/slang? |
| 00:08.09 | bluefusionxl | Where are the SSL document root defined in the Apache package? |
| 00:08.22 | c|int | wouldn't debian, look so lovely on an SGI< ;) |
| 00:08.38 | sysop | I thought sgi got bought out? |
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| 00:08.40 | c|int | hey sysop , so get first DVD for debian eh? |
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| 00:08.44 | eugman | Ok if I have only 16 megs is there a way to install debian. |
| 00:08.57 | bluefusionxl | Where is the SSL document root defined in the Apache package? (1.3) |
| 00:08.58 | sysop | damn small linux is debian based |
| 00:09.00 | c|int | can you maybe get the files, or tell me what to get on my nvidia.. :( |
| 00:09.01 | Rug | eugman: install Woody first |
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| 00:09.05 | jerware | hi crew |
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| 00:09.18 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en |
| 00:09.21 | jetscreamer | 32 |
| 00:09.27 | c|int | yeah, but I like the whole debian challenge etc... I want to strongly be a debian developer. engineer.. etc.. and write my own system, |
| 00:09.41 | c|int | FReeBSD, I"m working with , when I smoke weed, :-) |
| 00:09.50 | Sebo | macOnki: Ok so what should I # | less to see syslog ;P |
| 00:10.02 | c|int | its way more challenging than linux, and buggy with things, still on my hardware.. >_< |
| 00:10.02 | jerware | if a moving a hardlink from one file system to another, and referencing it to what it points to is invalid, what does a hardlink have in advantage over a symbolic link ? |
| 00:10.05 | dendrite | Sebo: less /var/log/syslog |
| 00:10.10 | jetscreamer | /var/log/... nm |
| 00:10.14 | eugman | Rug, could you elaborate? |
| 00:10.15 | c|int | nah, they didnt' get bought out , sysop |
| 00:10.15 | Sebo | thx |
| 00:10.18 | macOnki | Sebo: less and more could both be used, tail too, even head |
| 00:10.41 | sysop | oh thats right, I am thinking of dec. |
| 00:10.42 | macOnki | Sebo: lee foo, more foo, tail foo, tail -f foo, ...... |
| 00:10.43 | eugman | Jetscreamer, it means it needs 32 just to install or 32 just tot run. |
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| 00:10.58 | macOnki | Sebo: less, not lee |
| 00:11.01 | dendrite | Sebo: I suggest you take some time to read some articles that introduce the basics of linux. |
| 00:11.07 | c|int | I"m such fascinated by there hardware, systems, etc.. and can't wait to buy 1, hee |
| 00:11.22 | c|int | I just need to rob a few banks is all , :-) |
| 00:11.22 | sysop | I saw a 4mb laptop howto somewhere. |
| 00:11.32 | c|int | get out of here, |
| 00:11.35 | c|int | :O |
| 00:11.36 | sysop | dont think it was debian. |
| 00:11.40 | c|int | dam |
| 00:11.55 | Rug | eugman: Woody was the version of Debian that was "Stable" before the current version went stable. The Woody version is older (has an older kernel; that is why you can use less ram to install) |
| 00:11.55 | jetscreamer | eugman: i dunno... but i could have sworn i saw 24 in the installer's help menu the other day |
| 00:12.08 | c|int | why can't we wait on.. compress packages, that have all the dependancies, in them, or self contained, like PC-BSD's visoin, sysop |
| 00:12.12 | jetscreamer | yeah run woody |
| 00:12.17 | sysop | I have a couple of 4mb laptops but none of them have network cards. |
| 00:12.23 | sysop | or pcmcia slots. |
| 00:12.34 | eugman | Jetscreamer, any chance you havea link to the min reqs of woody? |
| 00:12.34 | c|int | 4mb laptop? |
| 00:12.43 | c|int | dam.. thats only good for.. like.. windows 3.1 |
| 00:12.47 | c|int | or dos |
| 00:12.48 | c|int | :P |
| 00:13.02 | c|int | think fluxbox, , think fluxbox, ;) |
| 00:13.05 | sysop | just learn how to use dselect. it will help you solve most problems. |
| 00:13.13 | Rug | My mysql is pooched. mysqld won't load. Is there anyway I can save/rescue my DB's? |
| 00:13.22 | c|int | or blackbox |
| 00:13.23 | sysop | fluxbox, ugh, kde all the way |
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| 00:13.30 | sysop | kde 4 is going to rock! |
| 00:13.34 | c|int | well for low ram, lmao @ u sysop , I was tryin help |
| 00:13.42 | c|int | you may like it sysop |
| 00:13.51 | c|int | but on my hardware, it don't like it much.. so meh |
| 00:13.53 | sysop | oh yea, for low ram no kde. |
| 00:13.58 | Rug | eugman: Have you tried Damn Small Linux? |
| 00:14.05 | c|int | sysop, , |
| 00:14.08 | jetscreamer | you could put bo, hamm, or slink... |
| 00:14.10 | c|int | KDE has problem on m laptop |
| 00:14.24 | c|int | all the open gl's screensavers, don't even run right |
| 00:14.26 | sysop | no its, laptop thats the problem, kde is perfect |
| 00:14.31 | sysop | ;) |
| 00:14.41 | eugman | Rug, actually yes. I was able to get up a console iirc but this computer needs to be able to run the gtypist program. |
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| 00:14.46 | c|int | they run in like split screen, it looks stupid.. i wonder what could be wrong |
| 00:14.52 | c|int | yep |
| 00:14.53 | Rug | ahh |
| 00:14.59 | c|int | on workstation though, yep I have np |
| 00:15.12 | sysop | use the x screen savers. |
| 00:15.14 | Rug | Ahh you need the gnome libs? that sucks |
| 00:15.16 | sysop | less overhead. |
| 00:15.22 | c|int | maybe KDE 4 will take care of that though, eh you think sysop , coz yep, KDE was my fav to get into , when I first tried linux |
| 00:15.22 | eugman | Rug , no no I don't |
| 00:15.28 | eugman | The g stands fo gnu |
| 00:15.33 | c|int | oh okay |
| 00:15.34 | eugman | it's a ncurses typing tutor. |
| 00:15.36 | Rug | doesn't gtypist need gnome libs? |
| 00:15.38 | c|int | I can use x screen savers in KDE? |
| 00:15.39 | Rug | ahh |
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| 00:15.49 | sysop | the only thing I wish they would do is make a real active desktop. |
| 00:16.13 | sysop | I cant stand it that if I ran gnome I could play movies as my desktop walll papper. |
| 00:16.21 | c|int | hey sysop , your cool man, seems like you got the experience, for linux, me, I"m into the windows, and linux, and multiple systems, so.. |
| 00:16.22 | Rug | eugman: did you trying installing ncurses on DSL? |
| 00:16.42 | c|int | got the whole aCronsi Disk director Suite going on.. I play FarCry, and Counter STrike Source, but I also run vmware for linux, so |
| 00:16.44 | kepht | I need some help setting up a (listed) USB printer on Etch. Have cupsys and foomatic stuff installed, it's not an X environment though. The device is reported on the console when plugged in. ..any help? |
| 00:16.44 | sysop | well I still cant figure out this aa lib problem. |
| 00:16.54 | c|int | hey you want to work together? |
| 00:17.17 | sysop | where do live clint? |
| 00:17.31 | c|int | IL |
| 00:17.32 | eugman | Rug, That wasn't the problem. The problem was how I'd install gtypist. They don't have a package for to so I'd have to do some converting or get apt working with dsl and I have had much sucess so far. |
| 00:17.44 | eugman | er haven't had |
| 00:17.46 | c|int | my problem is.. I jus tneed to read alot of books m8 |
| 00:17.47 | sysop | I am in atl. |
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| 00:17.55 | Rug | eugman: ahh, sorry |
| 00:17.57 | jetscreamer | eugman: for woody, You must have at least 12MB of memory and 110MB of hard disk space. |
| 00:18.00 | c|int | oh cool. I lived by there, when I lived in Bonifay , Florida |
| 00:18.02 | eugman | Hooray |
| 00:18.06 | c|int | Atlanta is very nice |
| 00:18.07 | jetscreamer | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian3.0r6/main/disks-i386/current/doc/install.en.txt |
| 00:18.23 | jetscreamer | you can find the install media in the general area also |
| 00:18.27 | sysop | its fun. I need to get my 70s muscle car fixed. |
| 00:18.30 | c|int | hey, won't the dvd for debian give me the programming language and all that |
| 00:18.59 | c|int | and 1 more question I realy had was.. if I want to upgrade to etch stable, I can do that, without having to worry about download more dvd's right? |
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| 00:19.09 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 00:19.17 | sysop | hey anyeone know anything about aa lib? |
| 00:19.24 | c|int | i mean.. open source. eh, you should be able to do that, stuff, dang, not have to redo whole system, and format the sucker.. meh to that bs |
| 00:19.40 | c|int | cool jetscreamer |
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| 00:19.43 | jetscreamer | if you have the word etch in your sources and are running etch, when it goes stable you stay etch. if you put testing, you stay testing |
| 00:19.49 | c|int | thats what i thought |
| 00:20.04 | c|int | great |
| 00:20.07 | c|int | thanks man |
| 00:20.19 | jetscreamer | if yopu're running etch at the time, you probably wouldn't even notice it went stable |
| 00:20.20 | c|int | should I jus tget the first dvd from debian testing/ or what you recommend |
| 00:20.31 | jetscreamer | a netinst cd |
| 00:20.34 | jetscreamer | minimal |
| 00:20.40 | azeem | he doesn't have networking |
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| 00:20.41 | sysop | come on, you know you want to help me play quake in a konsole terminal. |
| 00:20.41 | azeem | yet |
| 00:20.46 | eugman | So wait, is the "stable" version woody or woody+1? |
| 00:20.50 | jetscreamer | unless it's sarge/stable, whatever's on the cd is probably outdated |
| 00:20.52 | c|int | I'm installing it on my workstation, and laptop, but workstatino doesn't have a connectin, but I do have crossover cables.. eh I could let it share its wirelss connection being active, I wonder if that would work oki |
| 00:20.52 | azeem | eugman: the latter |
| 00:20.54 | jetscreamer | stable is sarge |
| 00:20.58 | jetscreamer | woody is oldstable |
| 00:21.09 | azeem | c|int: just get the first CD |
| 00:21.10 | sysop | what os is the laptop/ |
| 00:21.10 | jetscreamer | sarge used to be intesting now it's in stable |
| 00:21.14 | c|int | it went stable? |
| 00:21.17 | c|int | get out of here |
| 00:21.20 | azeem | get the second one if you find out it is not enough |
| 00:21.35 | c|int | lie to me, and tell me christmas isn't here.. :) |
| 00:21.35 | jetscreamer | azeem, light! |
| 00:21.35 | eugman | Gah, can someone just give me a link to the cd image. I'm no good at navigating the debian website. |
| 00:21.46 | sysop | I have a file server that is running potatoe. |
| 00:22.15 | c|int | um... I would like to get dvd though, if I can, I do have a dvd burner, |
| 00:22.15 | jetscreamer | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian3.0r6/main/disks-i386/ |
| 00:22.19 | Rug | Can I just copy the files from /var/lib/mysql/* to "backup" mysql? |
| 00:22.21 | azeem | c|int: so get it |
| 00:22.21 | c|int | won't dvd have way more packages... |
| 00:22.22 | jetscreamer | get the dvd then |
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| 00:22.25 | jetscreamer | there's only 2 |
| 00:22.27 | c|int | cool |
| 00:22.28 | macOnki | versions, so unimportant |
| 00:22.28 | jetscreamer | get both |
| 00:22.30 | azeem | c|int: I am not sure why you're asking all the time |
| 00:22.31 | c|int | oh yeah? |
| 00:22.37 | c|int | just 2? |
| 00:22.41 | c|int | :O |
| 00:22.42 | sysop | come on, you know you want to help me play quake in a konsole terminal. |
| 00:22.46 | c|int | where can I find them :D |
| 00:22.52 | azeem | sysop: read the documentation |
| 00:22.55 | c|int | yall startin to make me happy now :) |
| 00:23.00 | azeem | cdimage.debian.org |
| 00:23.04 | jetscreamer | which quake |
| 00:23.06 | sysop | I did. it dances aroudnt eh subject doesnt tell you how. |
| 00:23.08 | jetscreamer | 3 or 4 |
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| 00:23.34 | sysop | wish there was an aa lib channel. maybe #ascii on efnet. |
| 00:23.42 | jetscreamer | aa quake eh |
| 00:23.43 | kepht | is there a non-graphics method for setting up a usb printer ? |
| 00:23.44 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 00:23.52 | sysop | here is the problem. |
| 00:24.14 | shay | kepht, yeah, install CUPS and use a non-graphical browser to go to http://localhost:631/ |
| 00:24.21 | azeem | sysop: why do you want to do that? |
| 00:24.26 | sysop | you can set aallib to use a driver other than the default. if I can force itto use the xcurses one I will be ok. |
| 00:24.45 | sysop | the problem is it works, but it opens this huge xwindow for output. |
| 00:24.57 | kepht | shay: i keep getting "authorization required" or some such, even running as root |
| 00:25.00 | c|int | is this the right url, for testing, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
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| 00:25.08 | eugman | azeem, I'm looking for a woody image. |
| 00:25.16 | shay | kepht, maybe the browser you're trying to use does not supports htaccess |
| 00:25.19 | c|int | thanks guys, for all the help though, |
| 00:25.19 | shay | kepht, try lyncs |
| 00:25.20 | shay | err |
| 00:25.23 | shay | kepht, try lynx |
| 00:25.27 | kepht | okay |
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| 00:25.36 | azeem | eugman: ask the channel, don't ask individuals, please |
| 00:25.45 | azeem | c|int: use beta2 |
| 00:26.16 | c|int | k |
| 00:26.19 | jetscreamer | xviddivx |
| 00:26.22 | c|int | can you give me link, and stuff |
| 00:26.28 | c|int | why beta 2, and not 3? |
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| 00:27.00 | EdLin | c|int: IYNTAYS |
| 00:27.06 | c|int | ? |
| 00:27.10 | c|int | and that means? |
| 00:27.27 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:27.35 | jetscreamer | !IYNTAYS |
| 00:27.45 | azeem | c|int: beta3 then, if it is out |
| 00:27.50 | EdLin | c|int: if you need to ask you shouldn't |
| 00:27.50 | jetscreamer | even the bot is confuzzled by that |
| 00:27.53 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.59 | jetscreamer | and has been for a bit |
| 00:28.04 | azeem | jetscreamer: you (and EdLin) typoed it |
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| 00:28.16 | azeem | !iyhtays |
| 00:28.17 | jetscreamer | i just cut&pasted |
| 00:28.17 | dpkg_ | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 00:28.20 | c|int | oh yep, I've been ther,e jus twasn't for sure on things |
| 00:28.21 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:28.29 | EdLin | bbiab |
| 00:28.39 | jetscreamer | edlin sucks! |
| 00:28.44 | jetscreamer | the dos editor i mean |
| 00:28.46 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:29.11 | EdLin | jetscreamer: it's the best program Microsoft ever made, not a single known bug |
| 00:29.14 | c|int | should I get weekly , or the 1's above, dang weekly, have 3 dang images.. why can't it just be 1 dvd for debian .. and have it all.. dang it |
| 00:29.15 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 00:29.32 | jetscreamer | i never could get the hang of it though... too young |
| 00:29.36 | azeem | c|int: dude, I told you beta3 |
| 00:29.42 | jetscreamer | edit.com and edit.exe were for me |
| 00:29.44 | c|int | we need to integrate slackware, and gentoo, and freebsd into debian :D |
| 00:30.04 | jetscreamer | i wish edit.exe was ported to nix |
| 00:30.10 | jetscreamer | :( i'd use it |
| 00:30.10 | macOnki | you do not want slack, it only uses kde |
| 00:30.19 | c|int | macOnki, |
| 00:30.32 | c|int | I knwo this guy, who has enlightenment, running on slackware |
| 00:30.38 | c|int | and slackware, you don't have to just have KDE |
| 00:30.46 | c|int | lol @ u |
| 00:30.59 | macOnki | c|int: I know this guy, who ships slack, |
| 00:30.59 | azeem | it doesn't matter |
| 00:31.01 | jetscreamer | debian is cli only |
| 00:31.05 | c|int | with open source, ya can hack everything, gee , I just wish I knew more.. on writing drivers.. |
| 00:31.06 | jetscreamer | :o |
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| 00:31.15 | c|int | mac, |
| 00:31.22 | c|int | I swear on my life he was running enlightenment on it |
| 00:31.34 | c|int | dude smart as heck |
| 00:31.35 | jetscreamer | you can run an;ything on anyting |
| 00:31.44 | azeem | c|int: please stay on topic |
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| 00:31.50 | c|int | well I shouldn't swear on my life but I swear on bob dole |
| 00:32.05 | c|int | I was asking, get weekly, or normal 1's |
| 00:32.09 | azeem | dude |
| 00:32.10 | c|int | :? |
| 00:32.15 | azeem | 02:22 < azeem> c|int: dude, I told you beta3 |
| 00:32.22 | macOnki | c|int: well, we could all use anything we want, the fact is slack runs kde as a default and does not ship gnome at all |
| 00:32.32 | c|int | yeah I know what ya told me, and I"m asking.. weekly. snapshot, or the normal 1's |
| 00:32.40 | c|int | tru |
| 00:32.47 | azeem | eh |
| 00:32.53 | bhagabhi | Anybody using a HP Laserjet 2100TN on Debian? Just asking - cause I am considering getting one - and have seen that the 2100 model is known and working on linuxprinting.org, but it doesn't mention the TN variant. |
| 00:32.54 | c|int | yeah I like gnome, , and fluxbox.. |
| 00:33.03 | azeem | beta3 is tightly defined set of DVDs |
| 00:33.10 | macOnki | just get a freaking netinstall, install it and run apt-get foo to update/grade it |
| 00:33.15 | c|int | man, they have a bunch of stuff , listed on this page man! |
| 00:33.17 | azeem | there's not "weekly" or "snapshot" or wahtever in it |
| 00:33.24 | c|int | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:33.24 | azeem | 02:24 < azeem> 02:22 < azeem> c|int: dude, I told you beta3 |
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| 00:34.05 | c|int | Or install the current weekly snapshot of Debian testing which uses the same version of the installer as the last release: |
| 00:34.13 | azeem | 02:25 < azeem> 02:24 < azeem> 02:22 < azeem> c|int: dude, I told you beta3 |
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| 00:34.21 | c|int | duh, I know what you told me |
| 00:34.26 | azeem | c|int: which part of that do you not understand? |
| 00:34.30 | c|int | I'm at the dam page, I was there long before I came here askin |
| 00:34.38 | c|int | I'm tryin to ask, exactly what images, dvd would be good |
| 00:34.50 | tziku | !tell tziku about bot |
| 00:34.58 | azeem | 02:25 < azeem> beta3 is tightly defined set of DVDs |
| 00:35.06 | c|int | and dam it, I wish I was there, so I could point out to you , wha ti see, argh |
| 00:35.07 | tziku | hmmm dpkg bot is sleeping ? |
| 00:35.18 | eugman | Is there a way to tell on which of the cd's I could find gtypist if any? |
| 00:35.28 | c|int | lmao you dont need to repeat yourself, I"m not that far gone |
| 00:35.32 | azeem | c|int: you click on "full CD/DVD sets", DVD, for you arch (i386 probably) |
| 00:35.41 | Dave|id | anyone got any clue by the Debian - 'apt-get cricket' doesn't make any graphs - copied the sample config files in, so you'd think at least the http-performance ones would show up on the graphs |
| 00:35.43 | azeem | for "beta3" |
| 00:35.57 | c|int | w/e I"m just ging click on shut the power off in my city, coz i fustrated |
| 00:35.59 | azeem | c|int: you're repeating the question |
| 00:36.12 | c|int | go to this page |
| 00:36.13 | c|int | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:36.19 | c|int | you'll see all the dam stuff they got listed |
| 00:36.19 | azeem | I'm there. |
| 00:36.22 | c|int | yeah |
| 00:36.27 | azeem | 02:27 < azeem> c|int: you click on "full CD/DVD sets", DVD, for you arch (i386 probably) |
| 00:36.28 | c|int | and don't you see the split diff sections |
| 00:36.31 | azeem | 02:28 < azeem> for "beta3" |
| 00:36.41 | c|int | they have more than 1 dvd downloads listed |
| 00:36.49 | kepht | shay: i installed lynx and tried that, still get 'authorization failed/required' |
| 00:36.52 | c|int | I asked about the weekly builds |
| 00:36.58 | azeem | they are not beta3 |
| 00:37.02 | azeem | ok= |
| 00:37.03 | azeem | ? |
| 00:37.04 | jetscreamer | c|int: on the page link i spammed |
| 00:37.06 | tziku | where can i find an "echo" tutotial ? man echo is to simple ... |
| 00:37.15 | jetscreamer | daily, not weekly iirc |
| 00:37.19 | c|int | thanks jetscreamer , you seem more patient |
| 00:37.28 | c|int | I'll just work with u, thanks though azeem m, |
| 00:37.32 | jetscreamer | yeah that one |
| 00:37.39 | c|int | wish I had money to pay ya jetscreamer , :) |
| 00:37.40 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 00:37.49 | jetscreamer | azeem knows more than me probably |
| 00:37.52 | c|int | people sometimes, need to take breaks away from IRC, cough coucgh |
| 00:38.04 | macOnki | c|int: it's not to important, get the net install and update/install what you need, that could have been done while you asked |
| 00:38.04 | jetscreamer | zaeem is my hero |
| 00:38.28 | c|int | the penguin is mine, |
| 00:38.47 | c|int | should I get the weekly 1',s or aboe it, jetscreamer |
| 00:38.54 | jetscreamer | if you're installing etch a dvd is a big waste of time |
| 00:39.00 | macOnki | get whatever you fancy |
| 00:39.01 | c|int | nah, not to me it isn't |
| 00:39.01 | jetscreamer | outdated to soon |
| 00:39.06 | jetscreamer | but get a dvd then |
| 00:39.09 | jetscreamer | i have |
| 00:39.15 | jetscreamer | and knew it would be outdated soon |
| 00:39.20 | azeem | c|int: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/iso-cd |
| 00:39.22 | azeem | eh |
| 00:39.23 | c|int | I just want to burn this dvd, and use it.. its bothering me, just looking at them sit and collect dust |
| 00:39.24 | jetscreamer | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 00:39.27 | azeem | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/iso-dvd |
| 00:39.29 | azeem | that one |
| 00:39.29 | sanmarcos | I already have the gun |
| 00:39.31 | jetscreamer | lol |
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| 00:39.48 | marc7 | so if I wanted to run a version of asterisk that wasn't in stable.... is there any way I could dpkg -i a package in from unstable if it didn't have *ANY* other dependencies from unstable? |
| 00:40.03 | azeem | marc7: did you check backports.org first? |
| 00:40.06 | c|int | okay!, yeah I was doing that earlier, but I didnt' know for sure , if I should download all them biatches! |
| 00:40.09 | jetscreamer | marc7: i've changed my sources to read sid and just apt-get whatever |
| 00:40.11 | sanmarcos | marc7: just use unstable. Stable is only used for production machines that can survive on old software or servers |
| 00:40.12 | marc7 | checking right now. |
| 00:40.20 | c|int | geesh!! thanks azeem, for bothering ya so much! geeesh... :) |
| 00:40.20 | jetscreamer | and then changed em back.. but it's not a safe method |
| 00:40.22 | azeem | c|int: we don't care, just do whatever you fancy |
| 00:40.32 | c|int | yall seem to care, though.. |
| 00:40.32 | marc7 | jetscreamer: that was my first thought... you haven't found sid too sketchy for use in a production environment?> |
| 00:40.32 | c|int | meh |
| 00:40.35 | azeem | sanmarcos: huh, wtf |
| 00:40.41 | jetscreamer | marc7: yes it is |
| 00:40.42 | azeem | sanmarcos: stop advocating unstable in here |
| 00:40.47 | c|int | if you didn't care, you woudn't help :) |
| 00:40.53 | tziku | where can i found a full manual about echo ? "man echo" is so primitive...i want to learn about colours in echo... |
| 00:40.55 | sanmarcos | azeem: 76% of debian users use it. Dont play stupid |
| 00:40.58 | marc7 | jetscreamer: but it *is* a server. |
| 00:41.00 | azeem | c|int: we care to help for actual problems |
| 00:41.03 | c|int | so what part dont' you care about :) |
| 00:41.03 | jetscreamer | marc7: if you can't fix it or know it won't break don't run sid or etch |
| 00:41.09 | sanmarcos | azeem: az |
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| 00:41.11 | azeem | sanmarcos: that doesn't mean you should advocate it in here to people you don't know |
| 00:41.12 | jetscreamer | run stable |
| 00:41.16 | c|int | this is an actual problem, I smoked a little too much weed last week :) |
| 00:41.19 | kepht | why is setting up a print in debian such a pain? |
| 00:41.34 | sanmarcos | azeem: I am sick and tired of fake people telling shit around here. Now I play a game, called "the truth" |
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| 00:41.36 | jetscreamer | kepht: printer manuf. and software makers like money |
| 00:41.39 | marc7 | right, i'm not trying to move the entire environment to sid or etch, just grab one package from the sid tree. |
| 00:41.45 | azeem | sanmarcos: play it elsewhere |
| 00:41.47 | marc7 | two packages, zaptel and asterisk. |
| 00:41.55 | jetscreamer | marc7: it can be done, but if it breaks... oopsies. |
| 00:42.00 | marc7 | okay, perfect. |
| 00:42.07 | jetscreamer | marc7: why not just compile asterisk or whatever... |
| 00:42.15 | jetscreamer | and have you checked in #asterisk? |
| 00:42.25 | macOnki | azeem: you are good, ignoring shit is a pain in the ass |
| 00:42.25 | jetscreamer | you need to be ident'd |
| 00:42.28 | marc7 | and then checkinstall -D it? the thought had crossed my mind. |
| 00:42.31 | azeem | sanmarcos: stop /msg people in here please |
| 00:42.46 | c|int | so I need all 3 of them dvd's or not? |
| 00:42.48 | sanmarcos | azeem: typical response. Now you know the truth. Sincerely, go fuck yourself man |
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| 00:42.54 | jetscreamer | no you only need one iirc |
| 00:42.57 | eugman | Is there any way to tell what packages are on a certain iso without downloading it? |
| 00:43.06 | jetscreamer | eugman: there's a list somewhere |
| 00:43.12 | azeem | c|int: I guess you don't want to install 15000 packaes |
| 00:43.27 | azeem | c|int: the first full CD is enough for a working desktop install |
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| 00:43.30 | jetscreamer | apt-get instal l* !!! |
| 00:43.34 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 00:43.39 | azeem | jetscreamer: he doesn't have networking |
| 00:43.42 | jetscreamer | modprobe * !!! |
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| 00:43.59 | jetscreamer | i'm just being stupid |
| 00:43.59 | azeem | c|int: anything else is there for exotic needs |
| 00:44.00 | jetscreamer | i've done those though :) |
| 00:44.02 | c|int | good :D |
| 00:44.15 | eugman | The computer I want to setup won't have internet and I'd like to install the specific program off a cd instead of finding it, burning it and installing more manually. |
| 00:44.18 | azeem | c|int: so really, we don't care how many CDs or DVDs you download, you can feed them to apt-cdrom if you want |
| 00:44.20 | c|int | sorry, just talking to my buddy... almight people.. in my channel, on filetopia |
| 00:44.29 | c|int | nice |
| 00:44.43 | c|int | I forgot about that.. apt-cdrom feature.. :( |
| 00:45.00 | teardrop | i only use businesscard install |
| 00:45.13 | azeem | 02:36 < azeem> jetscreamer: he doesn't have networking |
| 00:45.21 | c|int | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.25 | jetscreamer | yeah eugman you have to use apt-cdrom to use a cd source.. just putting it in the sources.list doesn't work |
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| 00:45.54 | c|int | I'm going try... hooking up crossover cable, to my notebook, and giving it a wireless connection.. at least.. |
| 00:46.06 | teardrop | yah that should work |
| 00:46.16 | c|int | eh.. yeah maybe. eh |
| 00:46.19 | teardrop | c|int: why can't you network |
| 00:46.20 | eugman | Ok, Well I still need to find what cd would have gtypist or figure out how to make a debian package cd on an ubuntu computer. |
| 00:46.26 | c|int | hee.. I can't really say :) |
| 00:46.37 | jetscreamer | there's a list on the site somewhere eugman |
| 00:46.45 | jetscreamer | !what's on a cd |
| 00:46.47 | c|int | I can network,, hee thats my major |
| 00:46.52 | jetscreamer | i think the bot had a factoid |
| 00:46.55 | teardrop | !id |
| 00:46.55 | dpkg_ | i guess id is 1d3nt1f1c4t10n. Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360 |
| 00:47.01 | teardrop | !teardrop |
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| 00:47.11 | teardrop | !add teardrop |
| 00:47.17 | teardrop | lol |
| 00:47.20 | teardrop | !list |
| 00:47.20 | dpkg_ | one warez list being sent to teardrop |
| 00:48.00 | teardrop | thank you dpkg_ |
| 00:48.00 | dpkg_ | teardrop: de rien |
| 00:48.07 | eugman | I know there's a list somwhere. Unfortunately to someone new to the site navigating is very difficult. |
| 00:48.08 | jetscreamer | you want to identify to nickserv? |
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| 00:48.38 | teardrop | me? no |
| 00:48.54 | teardrop | I want to add an entry to dpkg |
| 00:49.11 | teardrop | dpkg_: add teardrop |
| 00:49.17 | c|int | okay, so I'm just going get.. 1st dvd eh? |
| 00:49.33 | teardrop | !teardrop=god |
| 00:49.54 | c|int | funny thing.. because, when I was at Barnes & Nobles, they had a Debian dvd.. just 1 dvd.. I think it was.. Sarge 3.1 2 something |
| 00:50.03 | teardrop | really?? |
| 00:50.07 | teardrop | at barnes and nobles |
| 00:50.11 | c|int | yeah |
| 00:50.17 | c|int | they always have debian and linux stuff |
| 00:50.17 | teardrop | did they charge for it? |
| 00:50.22 | c|int | was on magazine |
| 00:50.27 | teardrop | ohh |
| 00:50.37 | c|int | I had my librarian order the debian 3.1 gnu bible, hee |
| 00:50.40 | c|int | :P |
| 00:50.42 | SerajewelKS | are there *any* sound things (alsa plugins, servers, whatever) that will allow multiple programs to talk to the sound card without (1) burning CPU like hell or (2) lagging sound like hell? |
| 00:51.00 | jetscreamer | eugman: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#search-for-package |
| 00:51.05 | c|int | well, I'm going start with download the first dvd.. so, ty for all help .. I'll be here.. hangin :) |
| 00:51.24 | jetscreamer | 3.1r2 c|int |
| 00:51.25 | teardrop | can anyone recommend a good AIM client? |
| 00:51.33 | eugman | Thank you for your time |
| 00:51.34 | jetscreamer | gaim.. not sure about the good part though |
| 00:51.47 | jetscreamer | never used it |
| 00:51.52 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: it's really good |
| 00:51.59 | jetscreamer | ok then |
| 00:52.00 | teardrop | eh looking for something other than gaim |
| 00:52.03 | c|int | yea |
| 00:52.05 | macOnki | use a good jabber client and a server that provides gateways |
| 00:52.17 | c|int | thats what I was thinkin of. just couldn't remember exact.. gee, I need to lay off the weed sometimes.. |
| 00:52.19 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search aim ? |
| 00:52.23 | jetscreamer | weed weed weed |
| 00:52.24 | c|int | I'm killin my brain cels. :( |
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| 00:52.30 | c|int | cells,* |
| 00:52.30 | jetscreamer | we don't care if you smoke |
| 00:52.40 | c|int | yeah you don't care.. but my body does.. : |
| 00:52.42 | jetscreamer | the govt monitors do though |
| 00:52.46 | SerajewelKS | or as another question... is there some reason why win32 has a non-lagging, mutliplexing sound service, and linux still doesn't? |
| 00:52.47 | jetscreamer | hint hint |
| 00:52.49 | c|int | oh well |
| 00:52.54 | c|int | ;) |
| 00:53.02 | c|int | weed calms me down, and I enjoy it |
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| 00:53.11 | jetscreamer | SerajewelKS: cash |
| 00:53.20 | teardrop | SerajewelKS: are you sure ALSA doesn't already do that? |
| 00:53.27 | c|int | I love messin with linux, and doing cool things.. smokin weed.. found it to relax me. and wine too.. ya wouldn't even see me talkn here as much, if I was high :) |
| 00:53.48 | SerajewelKS | teardrop: well, seeing as scorched3d can't talk to the card while amarok does, yeah |
| 00:53.56 | eugman | Hmmm, would using a source cd from a later release work at all? |
| 00:54.23 | teardrop | SerajewelKS: are you sure its something wrong with the sound architecture...it may be something wrong with 1 of the apps |
| 00:54.23 | jetscreamer | don't try unless you're intending on upgrading imo |
| 00:54.40 | teardrop | try to use 2 other apps w/ sound at the same time |
| 00:54.48 | SerajewelKS | teardrop: amarok is set to use alsa, and libsdl1.2debian-alsa is installed |
| 00:55.01 | jetscreamer | eugman: it can be gotten away with, depending on what it is and what it wants... but it's not assured at all |
| 00:55.21 | jetscreamer | libsdk1.2debian-all kinda sucks |
| 00:55.26 | jetscreamer | and it's the default |
| 00:55.32 | SerajewelKS | teardrop: presumably i'm using dmix, but it can only mix audio with the same # of channels, rate, etc |
| 00:55.37 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: i said -alsa |
| 00:55.38 | eugman | Let's say i try it and screw up. Whats the worst that happens? |
| 00:55.50 | jetscreamer | yes i read that |
| 00:55.57 | jetscreamer | you reinstall |
| 00:56.13 | SerajewelKS | teardrop: so i'm wondering if maybe scorched3d is using a different sample rate |
| 00:56.17 | jetscreamer | a trivial thing with debian |
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| 00:56.35 | teardrop | SerajewelKS: try using a different app |
| 00:56.36 | SerajewelKS | teardrop: i'm also wondering why mixing two different rates is a huge problem on linex |
| 00:56.41 | SerajewelKS | linux too |
| 00:56.51 | jetscreamer | try jack? |
| 00:57.06 | SerajewelKS | teardrop: but... i want to use these two. "do something else" isn't what i'm shooting for here. |
| 00:57.29 | teardrop | well if you try something else, then you'll know that it's not a problem with ALSA |
| 00:57.38 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: jack isn't a sound server, and sdl doesn't support it. |
| 00:57.52 | jetscreamer | ok then don't |
| 00:58.08 | jetscreamer | see, i TOLD YPU!!! |
| 00:58.11 | jetscreamer | you |
| 00:58.12 | SerajewelKS | teardrop: no, i will know that those two apps *do* work together. that's different. like i said, different sample rates don't work with alsa+dmix. |
| 00:58.16 | jetscreamer | [20.00.42] * jetscreamer knows nothing |
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| 00:58.43 | teardrop | SerajewelKS: sounds like a problem with dmix |
| 00:58.43 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: are you sure scorched3d uses alsa and not oss? |
| 00:58.48 | jetscreamer | omfg! |
| 00:58.58 | jetscreamer | i can sell e&o to irc help people! |
| 00:59.09 | jetscreamer | waycoo'l |
| 00:59.15 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: i already said that libsdl1.2debian-alsa is installed |
| 00:59.38 | jetscreamer | he didn't ask you what was installed |
| 00:59.44 | jetscreamer | neither did i come to think of it |
| 00:59.49 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 00:59.52 | jetscreamer | what's installed? |
| 00:59.59 | jetscreamer | oh, ok |
| 01:00.01 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: scorched3d uses SDL for audio |
| 01:00.12 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: are you going to be useful or scroll my screen |
| 01:00.21 | kepht | what does "426 Upgrade Required" mean in cups? |
| 01:00.32 | jetscreamer | so is there an sdl-blah other than -all or -alsa? is there an oss? |
| 01:00.38 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: yes |
| 01:00.46 | jetscreamer | no i've gone into troll mode mostly |
| 01:00.48 | jetscreamer | but |
| 01:00.53 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: they all conflict each other |
| 01:00.57 | jetscreamer | [20.02.25] <jelly-home> SerajewelKS: are you sure scorched3d uses alsa and not oss? |
| 01:01.05 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: yes and they're mutually conflicting |
| 01:01.10 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: yes i am, dammit |
| 01:01.15 | jetscreamer | k |
| 01:01.31 | jetscreamer | did i mention that i know nothing? |
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| 01:01.45 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: yes. so please say only what you know. thanks. |
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| 01:02.01 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: meh, can you make sdl forcibly use dmix output device? |
| 01:02.07 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: this is a support channel, not an i-will-interject-useless-shit channel. |
| 01:02.29 | freeone3000 | alsa has oss emulation for those pesky programs that need it. |
| 01:02.34 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: presumably, since dmix is the default |
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| 01:02.55 | SerajewelKS | freeone3000: oss emulation and dmix are not compatible |
| 01:02.58 | jetscreamer | and so that bring us to : is snd_alsa_oss loaded |
| 01:03.01 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 01:03.09 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: wtf |
| 01:03.10 | eusto | how do i view the contents of a .cue cd image without writing it to cd? |
| 01:03.23 | jetscreamer | mount it if you can' |
| 01:03.29 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: it is clear that you know nothing about linux sound. go away. |
| 01:03.34 | eusto | jetscreamer, ..how? |
| 01:04.04 | jetscreamer | as root, mount -t auto -o loop /path/to/what.iso /where/to/mount/it |
| 01:04.16 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: .cue/.bin is not .iso |
| 01:04.19 | jetscreamer | but that's if it works |
| 01:04.24 | jetscreamer | ok .cue then |
| 01:04.35 | freeone3000 | Er. .bin is the data part. |
| 01:04.39 | freeone3000 | .cue is just the cuesheet. |
| 01:04.49 | jetscreamer | good point |
| 01:04.52 | jetscreamer | i forgot that |
| 01:04.59 | eusto | :) |
| 01:05.02 | dude | mwilson |
| 01:05.04 | jetscreamer | i've seen a converter somewhere also |
| 01:05.10 | jetscreamer | mwilson rocks |
| 01:05.16 | dude | jetscreamer: heh |
| 01:05.18 | jetscreamer | almost a year now |
| 01:05.23 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: are you going to stop rambling or not |
| 01:05.24 | jetscreamer | !seen mwilson |
| 01:05.25 | dpkg_ | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 327d 3h 59m 2s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 01:06.54 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 01:07.15 | SerajewelKS | so about sound... |
| 01:07.17 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: just for fun, can you confirm with lsof or fuser that scorched3d doesn't actually use /dev/dsp* but /dev/snd/*? |
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| 01:08.17 | kepht | thinks cups is borked on debian |
| 01:08.20 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: though, I've seen some alsa apps that also wanted exclusive access, but I can't remember which. |
| 01:08.31 | jelly-home | ones |
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| 01:10.00 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: seems it's using dsp, odd |
| 01:10.06 | jelly-home | aha! |
| 01:10.11 | jetscreamer | oo that didn't look bad |
| 01:10.18 | jetscreamer | the scorched3d screenie |
| 01:10.28 | pstickne | dpkg, tell pstickne about svn |
| 01:10.35 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: shut the fuck up or get out of the channel |
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| 01:10.45 | roue | hmph. |
| 01:10.48 | pstickne | what is with dpkg? |
| 01:10.49 | roue | I need some help |
| 01:11.03 | jelly-home | !test |
| 01:11.07 | roue | I've got a core 2 duo box and the deb install cd won't see the sata drive. |
| 01:11.07 | dpkg_ | Sorry, jelly-home, I didn't get your test. |
| 01:11.15 | roue | knoppix 5 won't either. |
| 01:11.25 | pstickne | I'm not getting any response from messages |
| 01:11.26 | jelly-home | dpkg_, tell pstickne about svn |
| 01:11.34 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: oh, scorched3d uses libao i think |
| 01:11.52 | pstickne | I don't think dpkg_ can send them? |
| 01:11.56 | freeone3000 | roue: Does gentoo? (It's a small ISO, shouldn't be too hard to test...) |
| 01:12.05 | pstickne | dpkg_, search file svn |
| 01:12.13 | roue | I've tried booting from a usb drive with a home built kernel and it seems to be seeing the drives, but doesn't recognize anything I specify as the root device (/dev/initrd, /dev/ramfs /dev/sda1) as a valid block device. |
| 01:12.18 | jetscreamer | Scorched3D now uses openal (www.openal.org) for its sound. This allows the sounds to be fully 3D. It no longer used SDL mixer. |
| 01:12.20 | roue | I haven't tried gentoo |
| 01:12.36 | roue | freeone3000 can you provide a link to the iso? |
| 01:12.43 | freeone3000 | Sec. |
| 01:12.53 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: maybe use aoss wrapper then. (alsa-oss package) |
| 01:13.24 | freeone3000 | http://bouncer.gentoo.org/?product=gentoo-2006.1-minimal&os=x86 |
| 01:13.45 | roue | thanks |
| 01:13.45 | jetscreamer | oh did i type? i'm sorry |
| 01:13.56 | jetscreamer | i take it back... and don't use that information |
| 01:14.23 | jetscreamer | http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2212&sid=77038b48899625fde4c37a43145d8207 |
| 01:14.26 | teardrop | can anyone recommend an AIM client (not gaim) |
| 01:14.27 | jetscreamer | don't read that either |
| 01:14.57 | jetscreamer | but i love you man |
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| 01:15.01 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 01:15.03 | freeone3000 | teardrop: Kopte. |
| 01:15.10 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: the forum post is completely unrelated |
| 01:15.18 | jetscreamer | k |
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| 01:15.55 | teardrop | freeone3000: I'm looking for something that's independent of qt or gtk libs |
| 01:16.29 | jelly-home | well, /usr/lib/xscreensaver/skyrocket also uses openal and yes, it tries to open /dev/dsp |
| 01:16.35 | pstickne | !svn |
| 01:16.35 | dpkg_ | subversion is probably a compelling replacement for CVS, or available at http://subversion.tigris.org/ read the book: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/, or it adds: atomic commits and file renaming/copying, very tight network protocol. at #svn |
| 01:16.47 | jetscreamer | teardrop: naim ? |
| 01:16.48 | pstickne | dpkg_, you're useless. |
| 01:17.12 | jetscreamer | !lart pstickne |
| 01:17.20 | teardrop | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 01:17.41 | jetscreamer | teardrop: apt-cache search aim |grep aim gave methat |
| 01:18.05 | jetscreamer | sans grep big list :) |
| 01:18.33 | teardrop | wtf is aim gave methat |
| 01:18.42 | jetscreamer | nonono |
| 01:18.50 | jetscreamer | teardrop: apt-cache search aim |grep aim |
| 01:18.57 | jetscreamer | is what gave me that name |
| 01:19.04 | jetscreamer | naim |
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| 01:20.05 | teardrop | jetscreamer: ohhh lol |
| 01:20.05 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: got it configured to use alsa |
| 01:20.19 | teardrop | jetscreamer: i've used naim before, it's screen based so it's cool |
| 01:20.32 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: and confirmed that it is using it. still if i start it with amarok it dies with the same error. |
| 01:21.41 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: how did you make openal use alsa? |
| 01:21.44 | jetscreamer | isn't amarok getting deprecated a little tiny in sid or something? ie there's something they decided to replace it with as the default for whatever it does? |
| 01:21.55 | jetscreamer | anyway |
| 01:21.59 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: put "(define devices '(alsa native))" in ~/.openalrc |
| 01:22.08 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: .. no |
| 01:23.13 | jetscreamer | btw didn't intend to piss you off on purpose but you made it enticing... :) |
| 01:23.27 | pstickne | how can I setup/reconfigure svnserve? or must I do it manually? |
| 01:23.42 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: that's irrelevant |
| 01:23.42 | pstickne | I've tried dpkg-reconfigure subversion but it does nothing. |
| 01:24.26 | roue | crap. gentoo doesn't see the drives either. |
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| 01:25.30 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: amarok + ogg123 works |
| 01:25.37 | SilentChaos-GLHF | Is there a way to set up a filesystem to auto-assign permissions/ownership to any files written to it? |
| 01:25.49 | jetscreamer | roue: there are ways to put your own drivermodule somewhere and have it used... i don't know how but i've seen it mentioned somewhere |
| 01:26.09 | jetscreamer | chmod the dir? |
| 01:26.38 | SilentChaos-GLHF | I want it to auto-chmod and auto-chown everything without me touching a terminal |
| 01:27.07 | roue | thanks jetscreamer. off to look up which module might support this thing. |
| 01:27.30 | jetscreamer | i mean i 'think' what you want can be accomplished by the correct chmodding and chowning of the dir |
| 01:27.44 | jetscreamer | but i'm not certain |
| 01:27.48 | SilentChaos-GLHF | k, I'll check the man |
| 01:27.49 | SilentChaos-GLHF | thanks |
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| 01:28.48 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: hm, my app (/usr/lib/xscreensaver/skyrocket from xscreensaver-gl package) still tries to open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p directly and fails since amarok is running. Maybe it's amarok that is playing dirty? |
| 01:28.52 | jetscreamer | some +s or +g type/kind of thing |
| 01:29.04 | roue | woot. I see the drives :) |
| 01:29.04 | jetscreamer | purge it and test |
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| 01:32.11 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: but ogg123 works with amarok |
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| 01:32.29 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: amarokapp 13424 chris 25u CHR 116,16 9837 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p |
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| 01:33.36 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: yeah, amarok and mplayer here also coexist peacefully. |
| 01:34.40 | roue | okay, I retract that woot. I see one drive. the cdrom (on PATA) is invisible. hmm. |
| 01:34.41 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: however, amarok + aoss .../skyrocket works |
| 01:34.55 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: weird |
| 01:36.05 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: this is why i hate linux sound... on windows everything seems to play together nicely |
| 01:36.36 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: there are a lot of subsystems that work nicely on windows. :-| |
| 01:36.51 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: true, though i hate to admit it |
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| 01:39.09 | exobyte | If I create a bridge and tie a wireless card to it, how do I get encryption to work? |
| 01:40.57 | jetscreamer | roue modprobe something |
| 01:41.00 | jetscreamer | !modconf |
| 01:41.00 | dpkg_ | from memory, modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules |
| 01:41.45 | jetscreamer | but if it's not there to modporbe..:( |
| 01:41.51 | jetscreamer | probe even |
| 01:42.58 | jetscreamer | dpkg_: no, modconfi is <reply> modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will add to /etc/modules |
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| 01:43.07 | jetscreamer | dpkg_: no, modconf is <reply> modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will add to /etc/modules |
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| 01:45.06 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: but my desktop looks so much prettier than the xp desktop =) |
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| 01:47.12 | William_ | Are there any good free(libre) OSS fps game(s)? |
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| 01:47.20 | zinx | William_: cube |
| 01:47.25 | dondelelcaro | William_: there are a couple based on crystal space |
| 01:47.45 | William_ | dondelelcaro, What are they called? |
| 01:47.47 | William_ | thanks zinx |
| 01:48.00 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: sadly I think XP would be more responsive than this xfce thing I'm running right now. I'd use it if it had decent mutt and ssh. Cygwin is slow. |
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| 01:48.24 | dondelelcaro | William_: you can see them from the crystal space development pages; I don't know if any are in Debian. |
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| 01:57.05 | smacnay | Is there a reason why aptitude lists a ton of packages to be removed while ap-tget doesn't? Seems aptitude has a mind of its own. |
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| 01:57.40 | SilentChaos-GLHF | dependencies? |
| 01:58.31 | SilentChaos-GLHF | if I created a user without a home, where would I find the user's .profile? |
| 01:58.56 | William_ | SilentChaos-GLHF, /etc/profile |
| 01:59.06 | SilentChaos-GLHF | thanks |
| 02:00.39 | SilentChaos-GLHF | what would be the command equivalent to ctrl+a+d for screen? |
| 02:01.08 | jetscreamer | apt-get isn't there to make those decisions, just to -get |
| 02:01.24 | jetscreamer | and also the bqare miium of what it needs or can't have |
| 02:01.27 | jetscreamer | bare |
| 02:01.30 | jetscreamer | minimum |
| 02:01.55 | jetscreamer | aptitude and dselect are a different level |
| 02:02.01 | jetscreamer | and synaptic |
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| 02:03.47 | wakejagr | SilentChaos-GLHF: ctrl+a ctrl+d runs the command "detach" - are you trying to run that at the prompt (ctrl+a :)? |
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| 02:09.11 | SilentChaos-GLHF | I'm trying to bind it to an alias to make it easier |
| 02:09.24 | SilentChaos-GLHF | I'm all for saving time ;) |
| 02:10.38 | William_ | What is a good gui chess game for gnome? |
| 02:11.54 | tuv | smacnay, most probably those packages all have "A" next to them (for automatically installed). aptitude has the added feature of removing packages that were installed to satisfy a dependency whenever that dependency (or any other for that matter) is no longer needed |
| 02:12.25 | smacnay | tuv: ah, I will just select those needed and "i" them |
| 02:12.28 | smacnay | tuv: thanks |
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| 02:13.39 | elliptic | which package contains /usr/bin/gtf in unstable ? |
| 02:13.40 | tuv | William_, there is a package called 3dchess, but i've never tried it! |
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| 02:14.04 | tuv | elliptic, apt-file search /usr/bin/gtf |
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| 02:14.35 | chron | after installing new modules |
| 02:14.37 | chron | like alsa |
| 02:14.39 | chron | is there a modules command i should run? |
| 02:15.02 | tuv | chron, maybe update-modules, as root |
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| 02:15.30 | chron | are there any flags with taht? i'm trying to help a friend with debian |
| 02:15.40 | tuv | no |
| 02:15.49 | SilentChaos-GLHF | where do I put my .sh file to be executed on bootup? |
| 02:15.58 | tuv | chron, if you're more specific you'll get better help |
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| 02:16.27 | freeone3000 | SilentChaos-GLHF: /etc/init.d, but read the README |
| 02:16.31 | SilentChaos-GLHF | k |
| 02:16.44 | ryanakca | would aptitude's ncurse's interface be considered a graphical package manager or a command line one? kindof in the middle, eh? |
| 02:16.58 | chron | modules-update = command not found |
| 02:17.06 | chron | ah wiat |
| 02:17.09 | chron | update-modules lol i ddin't read haha |
| 02:17.16 | tuv | chron, it's update-modules, as root |
| 02:18.00 | tuv | chron, have you been using gentoo lately? |
| 02:18.40 | chron | heh yea |
| 02:18.48 | chron | i am on gentoo, not helping friend on debian |
| 02:19.08 | tuv | chron, you're busted ;) |
| 02:19.23 | ryanakca | lol |
| 02:19.54 | chron | er i worded that wrong, i'm drunk |
| 02:19.59 | chron | i am on gentoo, helping frined on debian |
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| 02:20.01 | chron | no 'not' lol |
| 02:20.16 | chron | yea he can't get his alsa to work |
| 02:20.17 | chron | it worked before |
| 02:20.24 | chron | not working even with 'update-modules' |
| 02:20.53 | tuv | chron, are the alsa modules loaded? (appear in lsmod) |
| 02:21.17 | chron | what would they look like |
| 02:21.19 | chron | prefixed with snd- ? |
| 02:21.34 | tuv | chron, snd_* |
| 02:21.45 | tuv | chron, yup |
| 02:22.10 | tuv | chron, in lsmod they appear with a _ rather than a - |
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| 02:22.39 | chron | i see |
| 02:22.40 | tuv | dpkg, hi |
| 02:22.41 | dpkg_ | hey, tuv |
| 02:22.56 | LinuxNIT | any ideas why when 3ddesktop zooms out... i can only see half of it?... the other half is off the screen |
| 02:22.57 | tuv | why doesn't dpkg respond to my /msg? |
| 02:23.41 | dondelelcaro | tuv: because you're not +6 |
| 02:23.49 | dondelelcaro | (and it's not identified right this second) |
| 02:24.30 | tuv | dondelelcaro, what's +6? |
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| 02:24.52 | chron | ok how would you install alsa |
| 02:24.57 | chron | what's the package name? |
| 02:25.03 | chron | he's getting a bunch of |
| 02:25.04 | chron | modinfo: snd-es18xx: no module by that name found |
| 02:25.09 | tuv | dondelelcaro, /whois says dpkg is identified |
| 02:25.11 | chron | on and on for different snd-* |
| 02:25.17 | dondelelcaro | tuv: it is now, but it wasn't before. |
| 02:25.30 | dondelelcaro | (and you were probably /msg'ing dpkg, not dpkg_) |
| 02:25.34 | LinuxNIT | chron, apt-cache search alsa |
| 02:25.38 | tuv | dondelelcaro, alright.. it responds now :) |
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| 02:25.55 | chron | LinuxNIT so which one is it? |
| 02:26.00 | chron | i'm not on debian unfortunately |
| 02:26.20 | LinuxNIT | huh |
| 02:26.32 | LinuxNIT | then why do you want the name? |
| 02:26.41 | tuv | chron, the correct module depends on the sound card |
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| 02:27.17 | tuv | !tell chron about alsa-checklist |
| 02:27.21 | chron | oh really |
| 02:28.14 | tuv | !tell chron about alsa one-liner |
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| 02:29.22 | chron | ok cool |
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| 02:29.29 | chron | i think he did reinstall those, in the one liner |
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| 02:29.39 | tuv | chron, the alsa module is your sound card driver, hence it differs with different sound cards |
| 02:29.42 | chron | !tell chron about 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 02:29.56 | teardrop | I'm in icewm right now, can I switch to enlightenment with out leaving x? |
| 02:30.10 | tuv | chron, do "/msg dpkg 2.4 one-liner" instead |
| 02:30.11 | chron | right |
| 02:30.14 | chron | but he has no modules |
| 02:30.19 | Pyrotechno | Hello people, I'm on debian sid and I go to install inkscape and it wants to remove X... Can any one offer some insight? |
| 02:30.24 | chron | at all, they're like |
| 02:30.32 | chron | like i showed you that |
| 02:30.44 | chron | here ill figure it out |
| 02:30.50 | chron | if i get stuck again i'll ask again |
| 02:31.23 | chron | if you do apt-get install does it automatically reinstall? |
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| 02:32.06 | tuv | what's the difference between dpkg and apt (the bots :) ) |
| 02:32.41 | bbelt16ag | can somebody help me with php pls? |
| 02:32.55 | tuv | bbelt16ag, state your problem instead |
| 02:33.00 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 02:33.01 | teardrop | is there anyway I can switch WMs with out killing x? |
| 02:33.07 | LinuxNIT | chron, try alsa-base |
| 02:33.11 | bbelt16ag | i am trying to install a bookmark database on my server |
| 02:33.15 | dondelelcaro | teardrop: most wm allow you to execute another WM |
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| 02:33.17 | Kevin` | stop the old wm and start a new one |
| 02:33.32 | Pyrotechno | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:33.39 | bbelt16ag | and i got to find some setting in the php files that go on and on ... i tried greping for the info i need but it didnt work. |
| 02:33.48 | teardrop | dondelelcaro: how? |
| 02:33.58 | William_ | tuv, That game is pretty bad. |
| 02:34.26 | bbelt16ag | waitingon pastebin to post so i can give ya a link |
| 02:34.28 | tuv | William_, what game? |
| 02:34.43 | bbelt16ag | its like --withapache --with-mysql wierd |
| 02:34.50 | William_ | tuv, 3dchess |
| 02:34.57 | William_ | tuv, This one looks good though.. http://glchess.sourceforge.net/?q=node/11&PHPSESSID=cb5d3ba7fc848cfd8c481c3aac94ea09 |
| 02:34.58 | bbelt16ag | looks almost like an option instead of a setting in a config file.. |
| 02:35.04 | tuv | William_, hmm.. good to know :/ |
| 02:35.47 | dondelelcaro | teardrop: depends on the WM; there's usually an option to do it |
| 02:35.55 | William_ | This one just needs sound and network play. Then it would be ready for gnome 2.18 |
| 02:36.26 | teardrop | dondelelcaro: alright |
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| 02:37.39 | tuv | William_, too bad it's not in debian |
| 02:37.49 | William_ | tuv, nope |
| 02:38.02 | William_ | tuv, File a rfp, and maybe it will get itp'd |
| 02:38.17 | William_ | s/ a / an / |
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| 02:39.08 | tuv | bbelt16ag, i didn't say i can help you. i'm ignorant in php matters |
| 02:39.22 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 02:39.28 | bbelt16ag | so am i the php ppl are ignoring me |
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| 02:42.53 | nekostar | eh |
| 02:43.07 | nekostar | hey anyone having trouble building mplayer from svn with x264 support ?? |
| 02:43.37 | William_ | nekostar, /join #mplayer |
| 02:43.43 | William_ | nekostar, apt-get build-dep mplayer |
| 02:43.51 | nekostar | William_, have done both |
| 02:43.53 | nekostar | :D |
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| 02:44.16 | nekostar | and im trying to verify if anyone _else_ is having trouble _besides_ me |
| 02:44.41 | bbelt16ag | does anybody know what options are given to the .deb for php4? |
| 02:44.46 | jetscreamer | the marillat version has always had x264 buiilt in and they're usually pretty recent |
| 02:44.46 | bbelt16ag | when they made it ? |
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| 02:44.57 | Pyrotechno | Can any one help me with some big x-window conflects on sid? |
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| 02:46.56 | nekostar | mm |
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| 02:47.02 | nekostar | jetscreamer, |
| 02:47.23 | nekostar | do you know if there are any differences between the main / testing / sid versions of mplayer? |
| 02:47.31 | nekostar | like where it puts/looks for stuff ?? |
| 02:47.32 | jetscreamer | idoubt it |
| 02:47.37 | jetscreamer | no idea though |
| 02:47.43 | jetscreamer | you can use apt-file to find out |
| 02:47.47 | nekostar | just how recent the build would be neh ?? |
| 02:47.51 | argnl | apt is constantly whining about an unavailable public key, how to make it stop? |
| 02:47.53 | jetscreamer | but you would need to change sources |
| 02:47.54 | chron | how do you get 2.6 kernel? |
| 02:47.57 | jetscreamer | !apt-key |
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| 02:48.16 | jetscreamer | ~apt-key |
| 02:48.21 | jetscreamer | sheeit |
| 02:48.24 | argnl | jetscreamer: dpkg says i need 0.6.43.1, i have 0.6.43.3 |
| 02:48.24 | jetscreamer | @apt-key |
| 02:48.25 | chron | !tell chron about 2.6 kernel |
| 02:48.29 | chron | !tell chron about 2.6 upgrade |
| 02:48.33 | Pyrotechno | ok has there been a big change in the x-window system (apt) file struct? |
| 02:48.38 | chron | !tell chron about 2.6 |
| 02:48.52 | jetscreamer | yes with the move to xorg7 |
| 02:48.59 | jetscreamer | bots are sick i guess |
| 02:49.33 | jetscreamer | dpkg was symlinked to dpkg_ earlier or something |
| 02:49.49 | Pyrotechno | jetscreamer: when did that happen? what version was the xorg before? 6 |
| 02:49.56 | jetscreamer | but dpkg_ was responding to what was directed at dpkg |
| 02:49.58 | argnl | !2006 key |
| 02:49.58 | dpkg | 2006 key is probably apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 02:50.01 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 02:50.09 | jetscreamer | there it is |
| 02:50.23 | jetscreamer | you can also go to gnupg.org or so and look it up |
| 02:50.30 | jetscreamer | then do that |
| 02:50.43 | argnl | anyhow, i already have 0.6.43.3 |
| 02:50.44 | jetscreamer | i forgetthe url but i did it once |
| 02:51.00 | argnl | so either dpkg is wrong or something else is |
| 02:51.03 | jetscreamer | argnl: no that means to get that message you need that |
| 02:51.25 | jetscreamer | to fix it you do the gpg stuff |
| 02:51.34 | jetscreamer | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 02:51.40 | dos000 | is it possible in apache2 to make sure a file is never cached by a remote proxy ? i have a file and the proxy between me and the remote device is always caching . and i have no control on this proxy |
| 02:51.41 | argnl | uh... "apt 0.6.43.1 includes the 2006 package key" (parenthesis removed) |
| 02:51.41 | jetscreamer | or whichever key you want |
| 02:51.48 | jetscreamer | you can look it up on the web |
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| 02:52.02 | jetscreamer | via the hex code you get when you run apt-get |
| 02:52.54 | jetscreamer | i don't know exactly which key you need to import |
| 02:53.00 | jetscreamer | but that gets rid of the error |
| 02:53.33 | jetscreamer | there is > 1 key |
| 02:53.40 | jetscreamer | what source is throwing the error |
| 02:54.25 | jetscreamer | Pyrotechno: 6.8,6.9..>7 |
| 02:54.34 | jetscreamer | i have a url |
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| 02:55.08 | jetscreamer | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7/ |
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| 02:57.47 | Pyrotechno | jetscreamer: "Thank the maker!" |
| 02:57.58 | bbelt16ag | grrrrr |
| 02:58.02 | argnl | oh, interesting. apparently apt will complain about this if you haven't updated in a while. |
| 02:58.46 | tuv | what's the difference between dpkg and apt (the bots :) ) |
| 02:58.49 | tuv | ? |
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| 03:00.23 | jetscreamer | apt used to be the preferred bot, but got sick for a while |
| 03:00.34 | jetscreamer | things just moved to dpkg |
| 03:01.04 | jetscreamer | they shared a common root database, and are largely synched up, but apt now uses some diff code |
| 03:01.14 | jetscreamer | i can't remember exactly |
| 03:01.34 | jetscreamer | ah was the sqlite integration |
| 03:01.41 | Pyrotechno | Meh... I'm scared... |
| 03:01.50 | jetscreamer | they're perl |
| 03:02.24 | jetscreamer | they've had a while to work on it |
| 03:02.30 | jetscreamer | it's more ok nowadays |
| 03:02.30 | coach_z | hey, im a complete nix noob and im trying to install debian on my powerbook....got through the install now im trying to install gnome.....it wants me to insert a different cd but i cant eject anything. |
| 03:02.51 | jetscreamer | something is accessing the cd |
| 03:02.57 | jetscreamer | you need to close that program |
| 03:03.03 | jetscreamer | or unmount the cd |
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| 03:03.38 | jetscreamer | lsof will tell you what is accessing what... LiStOpenFiles |
| 03:03.47 | jetscreamer | lsof|less is best |
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| 03:03.51 | jetscreamer | or grep |
| 03:04.05 | coach_z | only thing im doing is using aptitude, and i have a window saying "insert followinig disk into drive......." |
| 03:04.20 | jetscreamer | i know nothing about aptitude |
| 03:04.42 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:04.58 | jetscreamer | it wants the install cd... |
| 03:05.08 | jetscreamer | it's still listed in your sources.list maybe |
| 03:05.17 | sonic_beatnik | I think I might have made a mistake installing debian, cause I left a partition open for installing windows when school starts (dual-boot) but for some reason all my XP cds freeze on hardware configuration. could it have something to do with the way I installed grub? |
| 03:05.27 | thingfish | coach_z: do you have a nice connection to the internet? |
| 03:05.42 | coach_z | thingfish: yes i do |
| 03:05.50 | coach_z | should i attempt http/ftp installation? |
| 03:05.58 | sonic_beatnik | These cds always worked in the past on this machine.. could it be the MBR |
| 03:06.22 | jetscreamer | it's usually best to install windows first |
| 03:06.25 | jetscreamer | if that helps |
| 03:06.28 | stoned | nice |
| 03:06.31 | thingfish | coach_z: do apt-setup and select a http source. |
| 03:06.41 | stoned | nice is a meaningless word :( |
| 03:06.55 | sonic_beatnik | yeah, but I never use it, and have been using debian for about 7 months after new HD, just left the partition open |
| 03:07.00 | thingfish | hey stoned |
| 03:07.21 | sonic_beatnik | I dont see much in how-tos about installing Windows 2nd |
| 03:07.30 | stoned | hi |
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| 03:08.00 | thingfish | yes sonic_beatnik, the preferred method is windows first, then linux. |
| 03:08.33 | sonic_beatnik | well are you saying I need to reformat the entire HD and start over?? |
| 03:08.37 | jetscreamer | sonic_beatnik: try changing the partition type to 7 and using ntfsprogs to format it, or preferably a live winbased cd.. but this is more of a job for #windows |
| 03:08.44 | jetscreamer | no but that would work |
| 03:08.51 | jetscreamer | err ##windows |
| 03:09.02 | jetscreamer | i'm saying it works for me :( |
| 03:09.07 | jetscreamer | but i don't do it with xp |
| 03:09.23 | jetscreamer | i just trashed an xp part today though |
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| 03:09.26 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 03:09.33 | jetscreamer | it was the recovery partition |
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| 03:10.17 | mrparanoid | What is the term i need to lookup to make a addition to /sbin for apachectl so i dont have to type the long command out each time? |
| 03:10.32 | jetscreamer | symlink? |
| 03:10.37 | jetscreamer | man ls |
| 03:10.41 | sonic_beatnik | does parted/QTparted support ntfsprogs? |
| 03:10.42 | jetscreamer | err |
| 03:10.43 | jetscreamer | ln |
| 03:10.53 | mrparanoid | thanks jetscreamer |
| 03:11.11 | bbelt16ag | why is my webserver not opening php files? |
| 03:11.14 | jetscreamer | i 'think' so but i only looked at it once |
| 03:11.20 | bbelt16ag | this sucks |
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| 03:11.26 | jetscreamer | you didn't enable it in apache conf? |
| 03:11.32 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 03:11.35 | bbelt16ag | hmmm |
| 03:11.36 | jetscreamer | #apache maybe |
| 03:11.48 | jetscreamer | iv'e seen ppl say that though to similar questions |
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| 03:13.04 | Mattz0r | ^_^ |
| 03:13.07 | king_of_hearts | DCC SEND 01234567890123 |
| 03:13.13 | sonic_beatnik | how good is linux read/write support for ntfs now? or would do you usually just stick with fat32? |
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| 03:14.12 | Pyrotechno | jetscreamer: how do I clear out aptitutde. |
| 03:14.20 | Pyrotechno | s/./?/ |
| 03:14.39 | Supaplex | define clearing out aptitude. |
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| 03:16.46 | Pyrotechno | Supaplex: I want to use to just get the x thing worked out but I/it has other things marked for download in it. |
| 03:18.23 | comsa | X thing ??? |
| 03:18.36 | mutk | You know, the x thing.. |
| 03:18.43 | comsa | OOO |
| 03:18.55 | comsa | AAAH |
| 03:19.01 | Pyrotechno | the Xorg thing |
| 03:19.59 | comsa | yes |
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| 03:21.36 | Pyrotechno | I'm running apt-get upgrade now. |
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| 03:22.13 | argnl | jetscreamer: the key is apparently in debian-archive-keyring |
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| 03:23.59 | [Nige] | hi all |
| 03:25.25 | SilentChaos-GLHF | I put some aliases at the end of /etc/profile, but they don't seem to be recognised... I'm really lost |
| 03:25.38 | comsa | Hi nige |
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| 03:26.30 | Xenguy | SilentChaos-GLHF: try this: source /etc/profile |
| 03:26.34 | karrot-x2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.42 | karrot-x2 | i have searched google and can not figure out what's wrong |
| 03:27.00 | jetscreamer | argnl: so you apt-get installed it eh |
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| 03:27.16 | [Nige] | I have port 21 bound on my box to inetd, how to I stop it binding to that port? |
| 03:28.24 | gimmulf | is mysql 5.0 in testing respitorys? |
| 03:28.39 | [Nige] | gimmulf I think its in stable |
| 03:29.52 | gimmulf | [Nige]: hmm only 4.1 seems to be there |
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| 03:31.07 | gimmulf | [Nige]: ahh think i found it |
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| 03:32.11 | [Nige] | no worries.. |
| 03:32.20 | [Nige] | I found my problemp... I think its mysql-server btw |
| 03:32.48 | gimmulf | dfds[n no that was 4.0 |
| 03:32.54 | gimmulf | [Nige]: .. |
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| 03:40.22 | Pyrotechno | (re xorg7) On the debian wiki when it say don't do the upgrade if xorg-server is to be removed does it mean don't do it if you don't want a hasle or don't do it or your McScrewed? |
| 03:41.16 | dondelelcaro | Pyrotechno: it means that you shouldn't do it unless you really know what you're doing |
| 03:41.27 | dondelelcaro | Pyrotechno: in general, if you're asking, you shouldn't. |
| 03:42.17 | Pyrotechno | dondelelcaro: A) I find it rude you think I'm a dumb enduser, B) I'm just making sure. |
| 03:43.03 | dondelelcaro | Pyrotechno: you get to classify yourself; I'm just giving the advice. |
| 03:44.43 | Pyrotechno | dondelelcaro: I just got back into debian after a bit of a brake (long story) It's taking a little time to get back into the swing of things. |
| 03:47.00 | Pyrotechno | The sid on this box a few months old so theres a lot to do. |
| 03:47.40 | dan2 | Pyrotechno: shutup |
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| 03:53.18 | Swynndla | Why are there multiple weekly build cd images to choose from on the debian installer site? ... http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 03:53.35 | Swynndla | which one should I choose, what's the difference? |
| 03:54.00 | giglf | what can I do to fix when real player playback is choppy? |
| 03:54.48 | karsten | giglf: Time. |
| 03:55.00 | giglf | karsten: What with time? |
| 03:55.12 | dendrite | giglf: Use a bandwidth monitor, and see if your incoming packets have a lot of jitter. |
| 03:55.12 | karsten | giglf: There may be some buffering options. If you're overrunning your buffer, bump the buffer size up a bit. |
| 03:55.24 | karsten | If it's a matter of not having enough CPU firepower, you're hosed. |
| 03:55.41 | giglf | I have a fairly new comp, so it's not cpu |
| 03:55.55 | karsten | giglf: Mind: Realplayer is nonfree software and really doesn't offer much in the way of ocnfiguration, nor is it something that's much supported here. |
| 03:56.10 | giglf | yes, where can I go to get help on it? |
| 03:56.12 | karsten | giglf: Um. That may well be true but that's a piss-poor verification method. |
| 03:56.17 | karsten | giglf: http://real.com/ |
| 03:56.18 | dendrite | Swynndla: Those are all the optical media images. Debian has lots of software available. |
| 03:56.20 | karsten | giglf: Be my guest. |
| 03:56.29 | giglf | ? |
| 03:56.43 | karsten | ?? |
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| 03:57.44 | dendrite | Swynndla: Most folks use the 'netinstall' image to install debian. That downloads just what you need, without a lot of other stuff. |
| 03:58.45 | Swynndla | dendrite: ahhh okay ... I tried the net install cd and it was great ... are you saying that with the full cd install, I'd need all 20 cd's? |
| 03:59.51 | gimmulf | How do i get the mysql-headers? |
| 03:59.53 | dendrite | Swynndla: No, only the first one. The low numbered CD's have more popular software. |
| 04:00.26 | karsten | giglf: What's your question? |
| 04:00.26 | dendrite | Swynndla: So you can install with CD1, or Netinstall, or the business card (which is a mini-netinstall, basically.) |
| 04:00.57 | dendrite | Swynndla: Not to mention diskette images, if you're feeling retro. |
| 04:01.08 | Swynndla | dendrite: ahhhh ... so theoretically with cd1, it wouldn't have to download as much as a net install? (if I had a slow connection for example?) |
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| 04:01.54 | dendrite | Swynndla: Well, except that you'd be downloading CD1, so generally, a netinstall is the best way to minimize bandwidth usage. |
| 04:02.16 | giglf | karsten how to bump up buffer size |
| 04:02.20 | dendrite | Swynndla: Short of ordering the optical media to be shipped to you, of course. :-) But CD swapping is a pain. |
| 04:02.31 | karsten | giglf: No clue. Mosey around the configuration dialogs. |
| 04:02.55 | karsten | giglf: I recall there being such a creature five or six years back. I don't have RP installed. It's crap. |
| 04:02.58 | Swynndla | dendrite: but if I have 4 pc's, then would I be better off with cd1 rather than the netinstall (if I was installing on all 4 pc's) |
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| 04:03.36 | giglf | karsten: yeah, rp is a piece of garbage, but how else can you playback real media files? |
| 04:03.46 | deceptacon | i did apt-get install fluxbox on a netinst sarge installation, what else do i need to do to see a gui |
| 04:03.53 | dendrite | Swynndla: Or, you can play with various proxy options. |
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| 04:04.11 | Swynndla | dendrite: you have been most helpful, thanks! |
| 04:04.24 | dendrite | deceptacon: fluxbox should have pulled in an X server... It did, yes? |
| 04:04.28 | karsten | giglf: I don't. |
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| 04:04.48 | dendrite | Swynndla: You can also manually create CD's from a collection of packages. |
| 04:04.52 | deceptacon | i dont think it did, it just installed and i still see a command prompt |
| 04:04.53 | Marsmensch | deceptacon: you need to start the xserver |
| 04:04.57 | deceptacon | startx ? |
| 04:05.00 | deceptacon | didnt work |
| 04:05.05 | dendrite | deceptacon: Try 'startx' |
| 04:05.17 | Swynndla | dendrite: sounds hard? |
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| 04:05.28 | deceptacon | does the fluxbox package not include x? |
| 04:05.35 | fusion_ | Hi, has anyone here got icecast going, streaming nsv? |
| 04:05.40 | karsten | giglf: The l337 k1d5 are using Flash and QT these days. Flash is also crap, but less annoyingly so (with appropriate Firefox plugins) than RP. QT has alternate playback apps (though not legally, in the US, due to patents). |
| 04:05.42 | Marsmensch | hmmm maybe |
| 04:05.58 | karsten | giglf: There's also a GNU flash player project in early beta at this stage. Foreget the name. |
| 04:06.02 | dendrite | Swynndla: proxy tweaking for packages is a pain, but it's a matter of finding a decent howto, for the most part. As for making CD's, there is a package that can help with that. |
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| 04:06.13 | karsten | giglf: gnash |
| 04:06.14 | deceptacon | what should i do next, then |
| 04:06.17 | kameron | do you guys know some bible software for systems without KDE? |
| 04:06.27 | dendrite | deceptacon: What flavor of debian? |
| 04:06.39 | deceptacon | sarge, netinst. the only thing ive done is install fluxbox |
| 04:06.39 | giglf | karsten, but can any of these playback real media files? |
| 04:06.51 | karsten | kameron: bible-kjv |
| 04:07.07 | karsten | kameron: apt-cache search bible. There's a text-only interface. |
| 04:07.12 | dendrite | Hmm. I'm not sure if xorg is in sarge... |
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| 04:07.35 | stoned | !xorg sarge |
| 04:07.35 | dpkg | well, xorg sarge is now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 04:07.36 | pstickne | it's in testing for sure ;) |
| 04:07.37 | karsten | giglf: Not AFAIK. It _used_ to be possible to do this using xmms using the libreal.so library, but that hasn't worked in years for me. |
| 04:07.41 | Marsmensch | deceptacon: have you allready modified the config files? |
| 04:08.04 | deceptacon | Marsmensch: im not too familiar with what to do at all |
| 04:08.11 | dendrite | Odd that fluxbox installs without X. |
| 04:08.38 | deceptacon | should i do apt-get install x-window-system, next? |
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| 04:08.54 | karsten | giglf: There was supposed to be some Open Source / Free Software cooperation from Real but nothing's come of it best I can tell. |
| 04:08.57 | giglf | karsten: thanks, I wonder if there's a way to adjust my hardware so that the playback will be more smooth |
| 04:09.11 | dendrite | deceptacon: xfree86, I think, but I'm not very familiar with X on sarge... |
| 04:09.23 | giglf | karsten: to configure resource utilization? |
| 04:09.29 | deceptacon | dendrite: is that the package's name for apt-get ? |
| 04:09.34 | Marsmensch | ah dendrite ok, but isen'z it strange |
| 04:09.35 | dendrite | deceptacon: Yeah. |
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| 04:09.50 | karsten | giglf: kmplayer-plugin turns up in apt-cache search. as does a reference to "the open source helix player" |
| 04:10.21 | deceptacon | hmm.. apt-get wasnt able to find the package. |
| 04:10.26 | karsten | giglf: http://player.helixcommunity.org |
| 04:10.34 | dendrite | deceptacon: Try xserver-xfree86 then... |
| 04:11.14 | karsten | giglf: Hrm. I'm installing that right now. |
| 04:11.29 | giglf | which one are you installing |
| 04:11.36 | karsten | giglf: helix-player |
| 04:11.40 | Piet | karsten: helix player won't help you with playing real media |
| 04:11.47 | karsten | Piet: OK. |
| 04:11.53 | karsten | Piet: Any suggestions? |
| 04:12.05 | giglf | karsten: I'll do that too |
| 04:12.10 | giglf | nothing to lose I guess |
| 04:12.34 | deceptacon | dendrite: that worked. im in the configuration now. its asking me about which XKB rule set to use... what is that |
| 04:12.34 | Piet | karsten: the easiest way is to use mplayer and the proprietary codec pack avialable for it. |
| 04:12.47 | deceptacon | the default setting is xfree86, is that ok? |
| 04:13.06 | dendrite | deceptacon: If you don't know differently, accept defaults. You can always go in and re config. |
| 04:13.07 | karsten | Piet: My problem's been accessing the various RAM url formats. Most of which apparently only make sense to realplayer |
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| 04:14.35 | deceptacon | well i got through the configuration |
| 04:14.35 | Piet | karsten: i think the M in "ram" stands for "meta file". these are play lists, basically plain text files you could also download with wget which point to one or more other urls where the real stream is available. |
| 04:14.43 | deceptacon | the command startx still doesnt work |
| 04:15.03 | dendrite | deceptacon: Please be more descriptive. |
| 04:15.11 | karsten | Piet: There's some "rhtml" or similar protocol that's undocumented. |
| 04:15.21 | deceptacon | dendrite: startx: command not found |
| 04:15.24 | Piet | karsten: you should be able to pass the .ram url to the -playlist parameter of mplayer |
| 04:15.44 | Piet | karsten: do you mean rtsp? |
| 04:15.51 | karsten | Piet: Those usually end up being a set of forwards, let me find an example. |
| 04:15.57 | karsten | Piet: Could be, not positive. |
| 04:16.02 | dendrite | deceptacon: apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 04:16.08 | deceptacon | on a netinst sarge installation of debian, after apt-get install fluxbox and apt-get install xserver-xfree86, the command startx does not work |
| 04:16.58 | Marsmensch | haven't you to config, what startx should start |
| 04:17.06 | karsten | Piet: Then there's !@#$%^&*() javascript links |
| 04:17.07 | Marsmensch | you need a wm |
| 04:17.17 | deceptacon | doesnt fluxbox have a wm |
| 04:17.21 | Piet | karsten: aynway, you should go to bed. it's 6:17 AM now where you are. |
| 04:17.25 | karsten | Piet: Sample: http://www.npr.org/dmg/dmg.php?prgCode=TOTN&showDate=08-Sep-2006&segNum=&NPRMediaPref=RM&getAd=1 |
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| 04:17.30 | Marsmensch | hmmm, i don't think so |
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| 04:17.32 | Master_Medic | hey |
| 04:17.33 | karsten | Piet: It is? |
| 04:17.40 | Master_Medic | how do u configrue ur sound so that multiple things can play at the same time? |
| 04:17.45 | Master_Medic | like xmms and xine? |
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| 04:17.50 | Piet | karsten: should be ;) |
| 04:17.53 | Master_Medic | or xmms and firefox |
| 04:18.03 | Marsmensch | Master_Medic: use alsa |
| 04:18.08 | Master_Medic | any idea how? |
| 04:18.08 | karsten | Master_Medic: alsa |
| 04:18.15 | EdLin | !u |
| 04:18.16 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 04:18.44 | Master_Medic | !wud |
| 04:18.45 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 04:18.59 | Master_Medic | no idea what that means |
| 04:19.06 | Piet | karsten: the url you pointed me to refers to a ram file which refers to 5 .rm urls |
| 04:19.22 | Marsmensch | Master_Medic: what are you using? gnome? |
| 04:19.26 | Master_Medic | xfce4 |
| 04:19.47 | karsten | Piet: ... and helix playre tells me to use realplayer. |
| 04:19.59 | karsten | Piet: You're off by about 8 TZs. |
| 04:20.08 | karsten | Piet: ... or nine. |
| 04:20.16 | deceptacon | i got a fatal server error: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests. (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. |
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| 04:20.28 | Marsmensch | hmmm find out, if alsa is installed, and try to config xmm that it use the alsa soundmixer as default |
| 04:20.42 | karsten | deceptacon: Stay where you are. Homocide detectives are now approaching the scene. |
| 04:20.50 | deceptacon | :( |
| 04:20.55 | Marsmensch | also the other programms ... how to do that in xfce, i have no idea |
| 04:20.56 | karsten | !set up x |
| 04:20.57 | dpkg | hmm... set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 04:21.03 | karsten | deceptacon: Try reconfiguring X. |
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| 04:21.11 | Master_Medic | oh |
| 04:21.27 | deceptacon | thats what i was asking... should i just do x-window-system instead of xserver-xfree86 and xbase-clients |
| 04:21.28 | dendrite | Nice factoid |
| 04:21.32 | Master_Medic | so the alsa soundmixer defaultly lets anything play |
| 04:21.41 | Master_Medic | kuz right now it will say its busy if i try to play 2 things |
| 04:21.50 | Piet | karsten: i'm glad i was wrong about the time zone. actually, i was just making a guess based on your name and my time zone ;) |
| 04:22.22 | karsten | Piet: France? Or Greece? |
| 04:22.26 | Marsmensch | Master_Medic: but right now, you not using alsa, don't you |
| 04:22.28 | deceptacon | so should i get rid of xserver-xfree86 and xbase-clients before i do "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" |
| 04:22.30 | EdLin | dendrite: x-window-system-core is somewhat less bloated, but you must specify a window manager and xterm if you use that package |
| 04:22.51 | EdLin | dendrite: ^^ (to dendrite by mistake) |
| 04:22.55 | EdLin | argH! |
| 04:22.57 | deceptacon | deceptacon lol |
| 04:22.58 | Master_Medic | no i am using alsa |
| 04:23.00 | EdLin | deceptacon: ^^ |
| 04:23.01 | Master_Medic | Marsmensch, i am using alsa |
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| 04:23.11 | Piet | karsten: realplayer on linux is helix player + some proprietary application code + proprietary libraries. Using mplayer, you get the same thing, just without proprietary application code. |
| 04:23.29 | deceptacon | EdLin what should i do about xserver-xfree86 and xbase-clients that i just installed, then? |
| 04:23.30 | Piet | better onion routed than garlic routed |
| 04:23.45 | CHodapp | you can coax mplayer to play Real? |
| 04:23.45 | EdLin | deceptacon: leave them, they won't cause problems |
| 04:23.49 | deceptacon | EdLin, and where does fluxbox fit in with this |
| 04:24.02 | karsten | Piet: And *what* do you have against garlic? |
| 04:24.09 | EdLin | deceptacon: apt-get install x-window-system-core xterm fluxbox |
| 04:24.11 | Marsmensch | misterious :-/, sorry master_medic, you need a more advanced guy ;) |
| 04:24.23 | karsten | Piet: Problem with mplayer is sorting out the !@#$%^&^&*() interface |
| 04:24.42 | Piet | karsten: nothing at all against garlic, it's just that it makes a bad breath |
| 04:24.43 | dendrite | Is there a place to learn how to search dpkg's factoids? |
| 04:25.00 | karsten | Piet: It does? |
| 04:25.10 | karsten | deceptacon: /msg dpkg listkeys <pattern> |
| 04:25.18 | Piet | karsten: you can always resort to the non-packaged, home-phoning realplayer if your prefer. |
| 04:25.21 | karsten | deceptacon: There's also a website ut I don't know it. |
| 04:25.23 | deceptacon | karsten: what does that do? |
| 04:25.24 | dendrite | karsten: :-) |
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| 04:25.32 | karsten | Piet: Fuck that shit. |
| 04:25.32 | dendrite | deceptacon: That was for me. |
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| 04:25.43 | karsten | dendrite: It searches dpkg's factoids. |
| 04:25.44 | deceptacon | im sorry my nick is causing confusion |
| 04:25.45 | dendrite | deceptacon: About dpkg. |
| 04:25.51 | dendrite | karsten: Gothha, thanks. |
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| 04:25.55 | karsten | deceptacon: Wups, missfire. |
| 04:26.02 | EdLin | heh |
| 04:26.20 | OptimusPrime | there |
| 04:26.49 | Piet | karsten: there's gmplayer (included in the mplayer package) and kmplayer (seperate package) if you want a gui. |
| 04:26.53 | karsten | Piet: Trying mplayer now. |
| 04:27.12 | karsten | Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/codecs/avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll |
| 04:27.52 | Piet | karsten: but you can also use gxine or totem and a couple other movie players as well as audio players for playing back real media files and even streams once you have the proprietary codes/ibraries installed. |
| 04:28.07 | Piet | w32codecs is what you're missing |
| 04:28.15 | Piet | ...i guess |
| 04:28.19 | karsten | Piet: I *thought* xmms could do it... |
| 04:28.31 | karsten | Piet: Nope, installed. |
| 04:28.36 | karsten | Piet: ii w32codecs 20060611-0.0 win32 binary codecs |
| 04:29.11 | giglf | how often should you update / upgrade? |
| 04:29.25 | Piet | i guess googling is a good idea then |
| 04:29.39 | karsten | giglf: Typically daily / a few times a week. |
| 04:30.24 | karsten | giglf: Depends on what your threat model is for exploits vs. stability issue.s That's a desktop/workstation guidance. Production servers: after testing the update on a limited basis. |
| 04:31.50 | giglf | karsten: is it very risky to go on for too long without an update? |
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| 04:32.41 | karsten | giglf: You basically run into two issues: there's the possibility that your system has an installed package for which there is a known (and actively attacked) exploit. |
| 04:33.08 | karsten | giglf: ... and smaller, incremental updates tend to be less catastrophic than large fell-swoop ones. In theory though, both Just Work. |
| 04:33.25 | giglf | karsten: ah, okay |
| 04:33.34 | karsten | giglf: If you want more stability, stick with debian stable. If you want newer code, go with testing/unstable. |
| 04:34.06 | giglf | karsten: I've got etch running, BTW, I see you're installing media players, have you gotten any of them to work yet? |
| 04:34.09 | karsten | And so long as you're relatively limited in exposure and are updating at least once a monht or so you should be doing better than most of the world (eg: Microsoft Patch Tuesday). |
| 04:34.19 | giglf | karsten: I've had nothing but grief with them so far |
| 04:34.34 | karsten | giglf: MSFT or Debian? |
| 04:34.47 | giglf | karsten: debian |
| 04:34.51 | dendrite | However, due to the sysv-rc issues, this might not be the best time to upgrade sid, and possibly etch... Not sure if 386500 affects etch or not. |
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| 04:35.17 | teardrop | is VLC any good on linux or is there something better? |
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| 04:35.59 | karsten | POST THE *-LOVIN' SOLUTION, FOLKS! |
| 04:36.42 | giglf | long live the precipitate |
| 04:36.43 | teardrop | karsten: is VLC generally considered the best video player on linux? |
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| 04:37.11 | karsten | teardrop: NFC. |
| 04:37.16 | giglf | teardrop: I couldn't get vlc installed on debian, would love to |
| 04:37.16 | pstickne | teardrop, it's okay, I use it in combination with xine. sometimes one works better, sometimes the other. sometimes one just doesn't work. together I'm pretty well covered. |
| 04:37.26 | strike | hi, where can I find network configuration file on deb? |
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| 04:37.50 | pstickne | you can get the vlc nightly build, the vlc site has a location ;) (I think it's also posted to sid) |
| 04:37.51 | giglf | pstickne: how do you install necessary codecs on debian |
| 04:37.54 | Swynndla | is not mplayer the best of the best? |
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| 04:38.20 | karsten | teardrop: never heard of it. I've tended to use xmms for audio, xine for video, except where it sucks, in which case I use mplayer (better playback, worse UI). |
| 04:38.30 | pstickne | giglf, I grabbed the w32 codecs from some external site. |
| 04:38.45 | Swynndla | strike: /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 04:38.58 | gimmulf | Is mysql5.0 in testing respitorys safe to use? |
| 04:39.00 | pstickne | giglf, but they have pretty good support for everything except wmv and other crap by default. |
| 04:39.11 | teardrop | does xine support divx/xvid out of the box? |
| 04:39.11 | giglf | pstickne: and in which directory do you have to drop them? |
| 04:39.37 | karsten | teardrop: I believe so. I really can't keep all that cr*p straight. |
| 04:39.54 | pstickne | teardrop, vlc does ;) I'm not sure about xine but I think they both use ffmpeg |
| 04:39.57 | karsten | pstickne: giglf You can get w32codecs from Marillat's archive. |
| 04:40.08 | karsten | !marillat |
| 04:40.09 | dpkg | [marillat] a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 04:40.30 | giglf | pstickne: the question is how to install them |
| 04:40.31 | strike | Swynndla: I saw that file but wasn't sure.. thanks |
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| 04:41.00 | pstickne | giglf, just put them in /usr/local/lib/win32 |
| 04:41.11 | karsten | giglf: /usr/lib/win32/ as symlinks to /usr/lib/codecs/ |
| 04:41.27 | giglf | symlinks? |
| 04:41.34 | karsten | ... is how the Debian package installs them. /usr/local/ if you're installing manually (not from a package). |
| 04:41.37 | karsten | !symlink |
| 04:41.37 | dpkg | Symlink rule of thumb / The link must be at the end / The filename comes first |
| 04:41.42 | pstickne | xine (testing) uses the directory I posted fine w/o symlinks |
| 04:41.51 | realist | karsten: gmplayer is pretty user friendly |
| 04:42.01 | karsten | giglf: symbolic lynk. Like a shortcut under Windows. But not. |
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| 04:42.47 | Swynndla | giglf: why not get apt-get to install it for you from marillat's sources? |
| 04:42.54 | pstickne | it doesn't help that they didn't even bother to integrate them into the file dialogs |
| 04:42.57 | giglf | Swynndla: how? |
| 04:43.00 | karsten | realist: I don't do a hell of a lot of video playback. I tend to install a slew of apps and sort of futz around to which one works best. I like Xine's ability to speed/stop / advance / reverse playback with keystrokes. |
| 04:43.11 | Xenguy | pstickne: why not just despise windows instead ;-) |
| 04:43.18 | EdLin | !tell giglf about marillat |
| 04:43.24 | pstickne | Xenguy, it has it's uses. |
| 04:43.27 | giglf | giglf despises windows |
| 04:43.32 | karsten | realist: ... which is reasonably intuitive once you've done it a tad. mplayer has most of the same functionality, I think, but I can't figure out where. |
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| 04:43.39 | Xenguy | pstickne: hm |
| 04:43.43 | tgsnoop | what's the easiest way to switch to gdm from kdm? |
| 04:43.53 | pstickne | all I know is that once I've switched to vlc/xine I've stopped using mplayer entirely ;) |
| 04:43.55 | giglf | Edlist, I have marillat set up |
| 04:44.00 | cast | i bet it's install kdm and remove gdm |
| 04:44.08 | pstickne | tgsnoop, there is actually a file in /etc |
| 04:44.11 | karsten | tgsnoop: aptitude remove gdm; aptude install kdm |
| 04:44.18 | pstickne | tgsnoop, but I can't recall the name :( |
| 04:44.21 | karsten | tgsnoop: s/aptude/aptitude/ |
| 04:44.26 | Xenguy | karsten: there's no wasted energy, it comes so naturally =) |
| 04:44.33 | EdLin | giglf: I assume you ran "apt-get" update after the change |
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| 04:44.49 | minerale | I just found out a server has been restarted, where can I go to find when/how it crashed? |
| 04:44.51 | giglf | karsten: Don't say that. YOu know I care. You know I listen to you. I do. I do care. |
| 04:44.51 | EdLin | "apt-get update" |
| 04:44.54 | pstickne | ahh, change the contents of /etc/X11/default-display-manage |
| 04:44.56 | EdLin | sorry |
| 04:45.05 | Swynndla | giglf: what do you mean, how to add mirillat's sources? or what to apt-get? |
| 04:45.07 | pstickne | then shutdown xdm (or gdm) and start gdm (or xdm) |
| 04:45.19 | tgsnoop | karsten: I have kdm as my display manager now, however g* programs are not working correctly that use Gtk-perl, i've installed debians libgtkperl which should take care of it, but damn |
| 04:45.20 | karsten | giglf: No: I despise myself for falling under that class above WRT 'doze ;-) |
| 04:45.20 | realist | pstickne: haven't gotten around to playing with vlc yet, but I hear *very* good things |
| 04:45.22 | giglf | Swynndla: thanks for asking, what to apt-get |
| 04:45.30 | pickcoder | minerale: check /var/log/messages |
| 04:45.39 | karsten | tgsnoop: Your X display manager has *nothing* to do with that. |
| 04:45.42 | giglf | karsten: LOL |
| 04:45.43 | Swynndla | giglf: apt-get update && apt-get install libdvdcss2 w32codecs msttcorefonts mplayer |
| 04:45.56 | pstickne | realist, it's okay, sometimes it won't correctly show subtitles. grr. and latest have a problem with not being able to use the seek slider with < 40s played (but I'm using a nightly ;) |
| 04:46.59 | Xenguy | karsten: its kinda like this - if I can't come to #debian and despise d0ze every once in awhile, then it's all for naught :P |
| 04:47.02 | karsten | minerale: You can check the daemon's logfile(s), and possibly /var/log/daemon. If the daemon is failing frequently and under reproduceible circumstances, you can generally run them under non-deamon mode iwth verbose output. You can also attache strace to a running process with "strace -p <pid-of-process>". Probably as root. Log that output (strace -o). |
| 04:47.03 | cast | ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ is wrong btw, should be ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian perhaps |
| 04:47.24 | Piet | karsten: try installing avifile-win32-plugin too, and if this doesn't work, try a differnet player, such as xine or totem or what have you. make sure you set them up to know where to look for the proprietary codecs. |
| 04:47.29 | giglf | Swynndla: what do I do when I get "Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?" |
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| 04:47.55 | Piet | i just tried to play back the files you pointed to earlier. it works well for me using gxine. |
| 04:48.00 | karsten | Xenguy: do you steal candy from little children, shoot barns, play Doom in God Mode, and fish in barrals too? |
| 04:48.05 | Swynndla | giglf: what debian release are you running? |
| 04:48.14 | giglf | etch |
| 04:48.34 | Xenguy | karsten: you're not the kind of guy I talk to at parties - so fuck off =) |
| 04:48.36 | karsten | Piet: Thanks. |
| 04:48.51 | Swynndla | giglf: oh, I only know sid, and so I don't know what does and does not work with etch |
| 04:48.51 | minerale | pickcoder: wow, this is suspicious: http://code.bulix.org/gl0jas-16535 |
| 04:48.52 | karsten | Xenguy: Thanks. |
| 04:48.53 | karsten | ;-) |
| 04:49.11 | Xenguy | karsten: whatever - you make a person not want to care |
| 04:49.22 | karsten | cast: it's debina-multimedia or something these days. |
| 04:49.30 | giglf | ah fuck |
| 04:49.43 | pstickne | minerale, why? |
| 04:49.52 | Piet | karsten: playback with mplayer works, too. |
| 04:49.57 | karsten | Xenguy: There's no *challenge* in despising windows. |
| 04:50.07 | Piet | debian-multimedia.org |
| 04:50.24 | Xenguy | karsten: stop trolling - I did originally come here to relax :P |
| 04:50.26 | dendrite | karsten: Not in #debian, maybe. Try it in ##windows! :-) :-) |
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| 04:50.31 | cast | oh, my bad. didn't quite read what it said |
| 04:50.32 | karsten | Xenguy: Try despising Mother Theresa for a while. |
| 04:50.38 | Xenguy | bye |
| 04:50.45 | karsten | Xenguy: Later. |
| 04:50.59 | giglf | Xenguy: WTF, dude you are staring at little markings on a computer screen, pour yourself a drink and relax, man |
| 04:51.11 | pstickne | you have to care for something to despise it. it's a tool. it takes care of most of the market. so be it. it's done ALOT to advance computer use. and I'd rather have computer illiterate people use it and get viruses and pay me to fix them then swap the linux scene. |
| 04:51.14 | Xenguy | giglf: take it to karsten |
| 04:51.17 | giglf | Xenguy: stop taking this shit so seriously LMAO |
| 04:51.26 | pickcoder | minerale: do you have chkrootkit and rkhunter installed? |
| 04:51.35 | minerale | pstickne: a server I was running restarted out of the blue, and someone had tried to login earlier |
| 04:51.56 | karsten | minerale: server or service? |
| 04:51.57 | Swynndla | giglf: can you install libdvdcss2 or w32codecs? |
| 04:52.09 | minerale | pickcoder: I dont, is it worth it to run install it now? |
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| 04:52.19 | pickcoder | minerale: yeah |
| 04:52.24 | karsten | Piet: Same error w/ mplayer |
| 04:52.37 | minerale | karsten: well virtual server, Xen |
| 04:52.45 | karsten | minWhere server == a box, service == a daemon. |
| 04:52.48 | giglf | Swynndla: it looks like it doesn't work as I get this error message |
| 04:52.49 | karsten | minerale: Ah... |
| 04:52.58 | pickcoder | karsten: syslog said restart |
| 04:53.01 | pstickne | minerale, the restart time is right about midnight. I'd check for cron jobs first. |
| 04:53.22 | karsten | pickcoder: You're interested in what happens before that, if anything. |
| 04:53.27 | giglf | Swynndla: when trying to install vlc I get "packages have dependencies" error |
| 04:53.40 | karsten | pickcoder: I'm a big fan of serial logging console for situations such as these |
| 04:53.44 | pickcoder | karsten: of course. :) |
| 04:53.54 | cast | neat. i'm definitely using debian-multimedia.org in the future :> |
| 04:54.00 | pstickne | giglf, I don't ... but I'm 100% testing packages ;) |
| 04:54.26 | Swynndla | giglf: oh, I don't usr vlc, I was talking about mplayer sorry |
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| 04:54.53 | giglf | pstickne: you don't what?? don't understand |
| 04:55.06 | giglf | Swynndla: can't get mplayer installed either |
| 04:55.07 | pstickne | giglf, have dep. problems |
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| 04:55.31 | giglf | pstickne: do you know how to resolve the dep problems? |
| 04:55.31 | pstickne | giglf, although I think I might have removed mplayer due to dep issues at one point. |
| 04:55.44 | pstickne | giglf, generally install the least-liked software ;) |
| 04:55.45 | Piet | karsten: weird. i remember i ran into the same avifile issue. I know I did _not_ have to install some single dll from some place to fix it. |
| 04:55.49 | pstickne | *remove |
| 04:55.53 | karsten | Piet: giglf Yeah, I'm getting deps issues w/ flc as well. avifile-win32-plugin is installed though. |
| 04:56.19 | giglf | karsten: me too |
| 04:56.40 | Piet | karsten: ah, you didn't start mplayer with -playlist, that's why |
| 04:56.52 | Piet | you probably don't need avifile-win32-plugin then |
| 04:56.52 | Swynndla | !marillat.etch |
| 04:56.52 | dpkg | first, ask me about <marillat key>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) to add the marillat repository |
| 04:57.12 | karsten | Piet: Bingo |
| 04:57.32 | karsten | !beer Piet |
| 04:57.59 | Swynndla | giglf: you have "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" right? |
| 04:58.06 | karsten | giglf: So, you *can* listen to realplayer streams w/o Realplayer |
| 04:58.24 | karsten | Piet: That resolves a minor issue I've had for about four years or so. |
| 04:58.38 | giglf | karsten, not sure if I can do that |
| 04:58.42 | Piet | <Piet> karsten: you should be able to pass the .ram url to the -playlist parameter of mplayer |
| 04:58.54 | Piet | ;) |
| 04:58.55 | giglf | Swynndla: I think I do |
| 04:58.57 | karsten | Piet: Ah, missed that. |
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| 04:59.12 | karsten | Piet: Now to get this configurated under Konqueror |
| 04:59.50 | Piet | no idea, i don't use konqueror other than for testing exploits |
| 04:59.55 | Swynndla | giglf: etch and not sid right? |
| 05:00.13 | minerale | pstickne: is there a chance that this http://code.bulix.org/u7m42s-16536#line-39 might have caused a restart ? |
| 05:00.25 | giglf | Swynndla: etch |
| 05:00.41 | Swynndla | giglf: and apt-get update is okay? |
| 05:00.52 | Master_Medic | hey |
| 05:00.57 | Master_Medic | how do i install packages from stable |
| 05:01.01 | Master_Medic | if i'm using testing? |
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| 05:02.11 | pickcoder | minerale: are you sure the server rebooted? If that's correct then syslog was restarted, not the server. |
| 05:02.40 | pickcoder | minerale: I musta misread the original paste |
| 05:02.46 | giglf | Swynndla: just checked apt-get update: "some index files failed to load: |
| 05:02.55 | karsten | Piet: Looks like it should be configured, but crashed conq. |
| 05:02.57 | karsten | PecisDarbs: Heh. |
| 05:02.58 | Swynndla | giglf: ahhh |
| 05:03.01 | minerale | pickcoder: yeah, the server rebooted |
| 05:03.11 | giglf | Swynndla: do you see a solution? |
| 05:03.16 | karsten | Piet: ... heh WRT exploits. What's your browser pref? |
| 05:03.25 | Piet | karsten: kmplayer-plugin is a browser plugin for playing movies in konqueor |
| 05:03.44 | pickcoder | minerale: what about /var/log/syslog? |
| 05:03.53 | Piet | karsten: for exploiting, i prefer konqueror and internet exploiter |
| 05:03.55 | Master_Medic | anyone? |
| 05:04.13 | karsten | Piet: Should be configured to use mplayer if I'm reading things right. And for not exploiting? |
| 05:04.45 | Swynndla | giglf: I can't as I'm not that experienced with apt-get failures, but if you paste the apt-get update output to the "no paste" site then some people here could have a look |
| 05:04.45 | giglf | grrrr, there must be a solution to this |
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| 05:05.18 | giglf | you mean pastebin? |
| 05:05.26 | Swynndla | giglf: yea |
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| 05:05.40 | Piet | karsten: elinks2 or a locked down firefox |
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| 05:06.59 | Piet | lynx should work, too, but that's very simplistic. |
| 05:07.06 | grendelson | I'm new to bug tracking but I think I have a bug in Duplicity - when i try to in stall it gets a post install script error - the readlink is returning the full path the the file pointed to by the softlink not just the filename. SO the script reads /usr/bin//use/bin/python2.4 and the full path to libs packages stuff is missing... I looked in bug tracking but did not see theis mentioned |
| 05:07.16 | karsten | Piet: Dig. I prefer w3m for console browsing myself. |
| 05:07.20 | giglf | can someone help me with this apt-get failure?? http://paste.lisp.org/display/25749 |
| 05:07.24 | giglf | it's frustrating me |
| 05:07.45 | minerale | pickcoder: http://code.bulix.org/zmq690-16537#line-37 |
| 05:08.08 | minerale | pickcoder: this is weird, I can't seem to find out why it restarted... at all |
| 05:08.08 | Piet | karsten: fine with me, too. ;-) |
| 05:08.35 | pickcoder | giglf: did you ask dpkg about marillat key? |
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| 05:09.26 | giglf | pickcoder: what's marillat key? I think I have it in sources.lst |
| 05:09.33 | Piet | grendelson: it's unlikely that someone is around right now who can give a qualified response to such a specific issue. I suggest you install reportbug and use it to post a bug report. |
| 05:10.12 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: it'd help if you give the full output of the postinst script and or the output of the postinst when you add set -x to the top |
| 05:10.12 | pickcoder | minerale: Sep 9 23:58:16 styx kernel: Cannot find map file. <- that doesn't look good... |
| 05:10.38 | karsten | pickcoder: Might want to look into possible filesystem damage. |
| 05:10.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell giglf -about 2006 key |
| 05:10.52 | grendelson | dondelelcaro, so add set -x as the first line of the post install script and just try to re apt-get it? |
| 05:10.54 | pickcoder | giglf: ask dpkg about it, I just saw what dpkg said a few hundred lines back :) |
| 05:11.01 | dondelelcaro | grendelson: no, just add it, then dpkg --configure -a |
| 05:11.11 | Swynndla | giglf: adding keys is easy ... you can do: gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys 07DC563D1F41B907; apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg |
| 05:11.11 | grendelson | dondelelcaro, OK |
| 05:11.14 | karsten | Piet: Glad to run into someone more browser-conservative than me. |
| 05:11.20 | Swynndla | giglf: as root of course |
| 05:11.40 | pickcoder | karsten: it's not my box.. fortunately.. |
| 05:11.44 | pickcoder | :P |
| 05:11.49 | Swynndla | !apt-key |
| 05:12.05 | Piet | http://debian-multimedia.org/faq.html |
| 05:12.07 | Swynndla | !key |
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| 05:12.17 | giglf | Swynndla: it's not working "illegal option" |
| 05:12.38 | Piet | karsten: :) |
| 05:12.38 | minerale | pickcoder: that's after the restart... I just stopped the paste there, but the bootup continues |
| 05:12.47 | pickcoder | !marillat.key |
| 05:12.52 | Piet | giglf: see the link i just pasted |
| 05:12.54 | pickcoder | oh well.. I tried |
| 05:13.09 | pickcoder | minerale: have you run fsck on the drive in a while? |
| 05:14.11 | hesco | My web browser is inaccessible outside the firewall. I can ssh in, but attempts to browse in are not working. I have an appliance router providing firewall. It requires an ssl connection from inside the network. Any ideas on a command line web browser I could use for this job? |
| 05:14.16 | Swynndla | !marillat key |
| 05:14.16 | dpkg | For apt >= 0.6, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907> |
| 05:14.35 | pickcoder | minerale: umm... the preceeding postfix errors are alarming as well |
| 05:14.50 | karsten | hesco: Your web *browser* or *server* is inaccessible outside the firewall? |
| 05:14.52 | Piet | wow, a web browser with an integrted ssh daemon |
| 05:14.59 | karsten | hesco: Sorry, your question doesn't make sense. |
| 05:15.15 | karsten | hesco: cmdline web tools: dog, netcat, w3m, lynx, wget, curl |
| 05:15.19 | hesco | karsten: sorry about that. My server is inaccesible. |
| 05:15.34 | cast | rts: /me installs dog |
| 05:15.37 | cast | karsten: sounds cool. |
| 05:15.47 | karsten | hesco: So you're running services on ports 22 and 80. You can reach 22 but not 80. |
| 05:15.56 | hesco | I've used lynx and links before, but neither offer sll support that I am aware of. What about those others? |
| 05:16.02 | hesco | Are you familiar with them? |
| 05:16.10 | karsten | hesco: Install the ssl support for same. Yes, it's supported. |
| 05:16.12 | hesco | yes. |
| 05:16.21 | hesco | for lynx? |
| 05:16.24 | grendelson | dondelelcaro, Sorry but do I add the set -x before the #! line or after? |
| 05:16.55 | cafuego | grendelson: after |
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| 05:17.07 | grendelson | cafuego, gracias |
| 05:17.23 | karsten | hesco: Um. lynx supports ssl in main package (testing). |
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| 05:17.38 | karsten | Someone got an https service I can hit? |
| 05:17.47 | Swynndla | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 05:17.48 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 05:18.13 | pickcoder | karsten: https://www.redhat.com |
| 05:18.17 | pickcoder | <eg> |
| 05:18.40 | nocti | karsten, https://www.citibank.com |
| 05:19.07 | Piet | https://alioth.debian.org/ |
| 05:19.15 | karsten | hesco: Confirmed, lynx. Ditto w3m, base install. |
| 05:19.41 | grendelson | This content is stored as http://channels.debian.net/paste/3671 <-- Here is the output before and after set -x of duplicity in testing |
| 05:20.26 | Piet | self signed certs :( |
| 05:20.29 | karsten | hesco: dog should do ssl, netcat won't unless you do it yourself, modulo others. |
| 05:21.00 | grendelson | the output of readlink is not what rest of paths expect and the /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/duplicity/ never gets created! |
| 05:22.54 | grendelson | ? |
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| 05:25.45 | Swynndla | giglf: coudl you add the key ok yet? |
| 05:26.04 | giglf | Swynndla |
| 05:26.12 | giglf | key is added |
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| 05:26.16 | giglf | now what? |
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| 05:27.03 | Swynndla | giglf: any errors when you apt-get update? |
| 05:27.52 | karsten | Piet: Problem appears to be that konqueror is launchign this w/o the actual playlis toption. |
| 05:28.01 | giglf | Swynndla: yeah, same one " public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 05:28.01 | giglf | " |
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| 05:29.18 | Swynndla | giglf: when you do, "apt-cache policy apt", what version does it say is installed? |
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| 05:29.32 | Piet | karsten: you'd need to edit the way ram files are handled, i guess |
| 05:29.49 | karsten | Piet: Yeah, toying with stuff now. |
| 05:30.00 | Piet | karsten: this may need to be done in K's control center or in the browser |
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| 05:30.20 | karsten | Piet: That's what I've done. Or write a wrapper to manage this and sort filetypes. |
| 05:30.38 | giglf | Installed: 0.6.44.1 |
| 05:30.38 | giglf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.38 | giglf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.38 | giglf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.38 | giglf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:30.43 | hesco | karsten: Thanks. w3m seems to be working for me. Now to straighten out my firewall. This was working until the last storm came through here. |
| 05:30.48 | Piet | right, but that would suck |
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| 05:30.55 | karsten | Piet: Might, might now. |
| 05:30.57 | giglf | whoops |
| 05:31.00 | karsten | s/now/not/ |
| 05:31.03 | giglf | forgot to paste |
| 05:31.49 | karsten | Piet: Hrm. That seems to have got konqueror on a crashme kick. |
| 05:32.57 | Piet | <Piet> karsten: for exploiting, i prefer konqueror and internet exploiter |
| 05:33.17 | karsten | Piet: Hush or I'll start despising you too ;-) |
| 05:33.29 | Swynndla | giglf: what happens when you run: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 05:34.21 | giglf | Swynndla: it says OK |
| 05:34.27 | Master_Medic | hey |
| 05:34.34 | Master_Medic | how do i install packages from sarge? |
| 05:34.36 | Master_Medic | if i'm using etch/ |
| 05:34.38 | Master_Medic | ? |
| 05:34.39 | giglf | also: no ultimately trusted keys found |
| 05:34.40 | Xenguy | karsten: gawd yer an asshole |
| 05:34.55 | giglf | also: one processed, one imported |
| 05:35.03 | karsten | Xenguy: ?? |
| 05:35.05 | giglf | Swynndla: looks okay, no? |
| 05:35.17 | pickcoder | Master_Medic: what package are you try to get? |
| 05:35.22 | Master_Medic | alsaplayer |
| 05:35.30 | karsten | Xenguy: Remember... |
| 05:35.38 | OptimusPrime | man menu |
| 05:35.40 | karsten | Xenguy: ... there's one behind every great man. |
| 05:35.40 | Master_Medic | pickcoder, alsaplayer and alsaplayer-alsa |
| 05:35.41 | Swynndla | giglf: and when you "sudo apt-get update" do you get the warning: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 ? |
| 05:35.42 | Xenguy | V - good movie |
| 05:36.42 | karsten | Xenguy: Remember, remember, the fifth of november. |
| 05:36.48 | giglf | Swynndla> no |
| 05:36.58 | Xenguy | blew up real good |
| 05:37.10 | Swynndla | giglf: does it still say "E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead." ? |
| 05:37.11 | giglf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.17 | Swynndla | ahhh |
| 05:37.19 | giglf | lol, yeah |
| 05:37.41 | Swynndla | giglf: that is an error that is not related to that keys warning |
| 05:37.51 | pickcoder | hrm.. that's odd. why would a package be in Sarge and Sid, but not Etch |
| 05:37.55 | giglf | thought so |
| 05:37.56 | karsten | Piet: Kills Firefox too. |
| 05:37.56 | Swynndla | giglf: it doesn't like one or more of your sources |
| 05:38.01 | jair | hey guys it is a irc room for the application "ispconfig" ? |
| 05:38.10 | giglf | so? |
| 05:38.28 | Piet | karsten: congrats ;-) |
| 05:38.47 | karsten | jair: /msg chanserv list *ispconfig*. I'd also check that project's / product's homepage |
| 05:39.04 | Master_Medic | anyone know how to install packages from sarge if your using etch? |
| 05:39.13 | karsten | Marsmensch: yes. |
| 05:39.14 | Swynndla | giglf: the source that it doesn't like, it's not http://www.debian-multimedia.org is it? |
| 05:39.16 | karsten | Master_Medic: Yes. |
| 05:39.26 | karsten | Master_Medic: Don't. |
| 05:39.34 | pickcoder | karsten: the package he wants is in Sid and Sarge, but not Etch |
| 05:39.34 | karsten | Marsmensch: Ignore me. |
| 05:39.58 | giglf | Swynndla>no, its the mairillat |
| 05:40.05 | karsten | Master_Medic: You can attemp pinning, but it's almost certainly going to go horribly wrong. Much better to pin to unstable for that particular package if you're in testing. |
| 05:40.16 | karsten | !tell Master_Medic about pinning |
| 05:40.23 | floundering | Hi, I am on sarge, but want a backport of testdisk (its not on backports.org).. any Ideas? |
| 05:40.58 | Swynndla | giglf: what maiillat source line doesn't it like, can you past that line? (from your sources.list) |
| 05:41.27 | karsten | jair: Looks like web forum and mailing list: http://www.ispconfig.org/support.htm |
| 05:41.48 | giglf | Swynndla: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main |
| 05:41.55 | hesco | kartsen: w3m was the ticket. I was able to get in to my appliance router remotely, without having to visit the server to work from inside the lan. That saved me. Thanks so much. I'm back in to the server now, from a browser at a remote location. . |
| 05:42.08 | jair | karsten: thank you very much ;) |
| 05:42.35 | karsten | jair: There's an #ispconfig-de channel that was created but is inactive here. |
| 05:43.47 | Swynndla | giglf: you should use "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" instead |
| 05:44.42 | e-type | morning all |
| 05:44.43 | jair | karsten: I will try to find some other places too. |
| 05:44.51 | Swynndla | giglf: my fault, I told you the wrong one before, sorry |
| 05:44.55 | jair | karsten: are you in Europe now? |
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| 05:45.12 | karsten | jair: No. |
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| 05:45.22 | giglf | now it's okay? |
| 05:45.43 | jair | karsten: have you ever work with that product ispconfig? |
| 05:45.57 | karsten | jair: Nope |
| 05:46.14 | Swynndla | giglf: apt-get update ... and see if it's happy |
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| 05:47.02 | jair | karsten: ok, thanks |
| 05:48.04 | giglf | Swynndla> it is ok |
| 05:48.08 | giglf | thanks |
| 05:48.14 | Swynndla | giglf: np |
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| 05:48.36 | jair | has anyone here work before with debian and ispconfig? |
| 05:48.41 | Swynndla | giglf: does this work? ... apt-get install libdvdcss2 w32codecs |
| 05:49.28 | cat | ispconfig? |
| 05:49.30 | pickcoder | jair: do you have a specific question or are you taking a poll? |
| 05:49.49 | cat | or, ifconfig?, or ipconfig never heard off ispconfig |
| 05:50.04 | pickcoder | cat: it's an ISP management suite |
| 05:50.26 | jair | pickcoder: I would like to know how exactly I should configure it? in the server should I have an static IP address? and I will be serving or hosting other websites. |
| 05:50.28 | pickcoder | jair: and no.. I haven't touched it |
| 05:50.36 | cat | oh okay |
| 05:51.03 | jair | cat: I am just trying to understand how can I really use it. |
| 05:51.13 | jair | I have it all installed and done :) |
| 05:51.29 | pickcoder | jair: if you are going to serve real hosts, then you need more than a cable connection and a little bit of networking knowledge. |
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| 05:51.37 | dan2 | ~programmer bill of rights |
| 05:51.39 | apt | programmer bill of rights is probably http://darwinianweb.com/archive/2006/338.html |
| 05:51.40 | dan2 | asg! |
| 05:52.13 | karsten | jair: You don't *need* a static IP though it helps. You can map to a dynamic IP thorugh services such as dyndns. Just messing around or running a business. |
| 05:52.21 | karsten | jair: erm, '?' interrogative. |
| 05:52.44 | karsten | jair: For ispconfig support I'd suggest using one of their channels rather than #debian. |
| 05:53.10 | jair | karsten: ok |
| 05:53.13 | jair | thans |
| 05:53.17 | jair | thank you |
| 05:53.26 | karsten | How do I set font sizes for Gtk apps? |
| 05:53.31 | karsten | They're all TOO BIG. |
| 05:53.32 | floundering | I have been trying to backport testdisk myself but it seems as if I have to install every application and llibrary ever written in order to do this. do C programmers always link rather than wite an extra line of code? |
| 05:53.49 | cat | karsten: apt-get remove xfonts-100dpi |
| 05:53.54 | cat | and then restart X and you're done |
| 05:54.11 | karsten | cat: not /etc/gtkrc or something? |
| 05:54.20 | giglf | Swynndla: yes, it installs now!! |
| 05:54.31 | webfreak | what's the kernel parameter to turn acpi off at boot? |
| 05:54.32 | Swynndla | giglf: neat :) |
| 05:54.34 | webfreak | acpi=off? |
| 05:54.55 | pickcoder | webfreak: you should be able to disable it in BIOS |
| 05:55.22 | webfreak | pickcoder: i don't remember seeing an option, this is a 4+ year old motherboard |
| 05:55.32 | pickcoder | eep |
| 05:55.38 | pickcoder | never mind then |
| 05:55.48 | cahoot | webfreak: acpi=off should do it |
| 05:55.50 | webfreak | the acpi thermal zone keeps shutting my machine off, it's overheating and i need to get a new heatsink fan |
| 05:55.58 | webfreak | cahoot: ok, cool |
| 05:56.14 | webfreak | (and dust it out and reapply thermal grease too) |
| 05:56.18 | Piet | g'night |
| 05:56.30 | webfreak | bbias |
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| 05:58.20 | blahdeblah_ | Hi. Can anyone tell me if there's an "official" way that package maintainers should use to insert scripts into /etc/cron.daily or /etc/cron.weekly? |
| 05:58.55 | blahdeblah_ | (And in the absence of an "official" way, is there an easy way that won't cause problems?) |
| 05:59.23 | pickcoder | blahdeblah_: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 05:59.26 | webfreak | cahoot: that did it, thanks |
| 06:00.25 | teardrop | is mplayer in the debian repositories? |
| 06:00.36 | blahdeblah_ | pickcoder: Will have a look there - last time i did i didn't find much guidance on this sort of stuff. |
| 06:00.45 | blahdeblah_ | teardrop: Not last i checked |
| 06:00.57 | pickcoder | blahdeblah_: search for cron.d |
| 06:01.15 | blahdeblah_ | teardrop: 'apt-cache policy mplayer' ought to tell you |
| 06:01.38 | exobyte | is it possible to set up a bridge interface that doesn't have an IP? The idea is to just have a bridge, that's it |
| 06:01.55 | pickcoder | BTW.. there is a type in the cron.d section |
| 06:02.03 | pickcoder | gah.. s/type/typo |
| 06:02.14 | blahdeblah_ | pickcoder: I've already seen that - cron.weekly and cron.daily is a different case |
| 06:02.29 | blahdeblah_ | pickcoder: Giving us a live example of typos, eh? ;-) |
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| 06:03.26 | pickcoder | blahdeblah_: then put it in <package root>/etc/cron.daily? |
| 06:03.27 | nocti | hello, how do you update your pkg lists (apt-get update) in a box with NO internet connection? |
| 06:03.52 | bws42 | nocti what's the point? |
| 06:04.15 | blahdeblah_ | pickcoder: What i'm asking is what is the best way to do that. |
| 06:04.15 | pickcoder | blahdeblah_: I haven't needed to update cron files yet, so I haven't done the research on that |
| 06:04.37 | Swynndla | teardrop: it's in some unofficial repos |
| 06:05.03 | blahdeblah_ | pickcoder: I might check out the source for a simple package that i know puts stuff there. |
| 06:05.24 | pickcoder | blahdeblah_: if you want to be truely sure, put it in a share folder and use postinstall to figure out if cron.<time> is even setup first |
| 06:06.02 | pickcoder | blahdeblah_: if it is, just copy the file and be done with it. Otherwise, you'll need to check crontab for run-parts |
| 06:06.38 | Swynndla | nocti: some people use a pc with a fast internet connection and some dvd+rw's and write heaps and then take them home to a pc without an internet connection |
| 06:08.54 | nocti | Swynndla, im aware of that, sorry for not making it clear, i just need to get my pkg list updated (same thing that happens on apt-get update), so that i can do a 'apt-get -qq --print-uris install pkg' so i can get the pkg links and download that on an xp box with fast internet |
| 06:09.43 | blahdeblah_ | pickcoder: That sounds way over the top. My scripts are not in an official repository and i'm happy to just assume cron.daily is there. If it's good enough for sysklogd, it's good enough for me. :-) |
| 06:09.51 | pickcoder | blahdeblah_: never mind.. I just read this: |
| 06:10.12 | pickcoder | the file crontab puts lines in /etc/crontab |
| 06:10.24 | pickcoder | cron.daily puts stuff in /etc/cron.daily |
| 06:10.25 | pickcoder | etc |
| 06:10.31 | nocti | the only problem is getting the pkg list (/var/apt/lists/*) updated. im thinking of getting Package.gz files in the debian repositories and renaming that to http.us.debian*main.binary-i386.Package but is there a better way? thanks |
| 06:10.43 | pickcoder | so just create a file in DEBIAN called cron.daily and list the filename you want there |
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| 06:12.09 | pickcoder | filename = file+path based on your package build root |
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| 06:15.13 | nopalin | hi |
| 06:15.17 | blahdeblah_ | pickcoder: Where did you read that? I just downloaded the source of sysklogd and they seem to be copying the files in there manually in their rules file. |
| 06:15.28 | pickcoder | blahdeblah_: I just closed the browser |
| 06:15.32 | pickcoder | blahdeblah_: hold on |
| 06:15.33 | peterS | nocti: you can drop files into /var/lib/apt/lists but I'm not sure how to go about getting apt to regenerate /var/cache/apt/*.bin from that, without trying to refresh /var/lib/apt/lists/ first |
| 06:16.26 | peterS | nocti: it is the .bin files in /var/cache/apt that are normally used |
| 06:16.59 | nocti | peterS, ah the bins... thanks for the heads up, i'll find a way tonight, ah... what are the .bins for anyway? |
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| 06:17.16 | peterS | nocti: it's a pre-parsed form of the /var/lib/apt/lists/ files, for speed |
| 06:17.57 | exobyte | are iwconfig and ifconfig mutually exlusive, or is ifconfig still needed? |
| 06:18.01 | pickcoder | blahdeblah_: http://people.debian.org/~jaldhar/make_package4.html |
| 06:18.24 | pickcoder | blahdeblah_: search for crontab.ex |
| 06:18.33 | tuv | exobyte, the latter |
| 06:18.40 | blahdeblah_ | pickcoder: thx |
| 06:19.17 | nocti | peterS, can i generate that automatically if i have the /lists/* files? |
| 06:19.34 | peterS | nocti: reread what I said, carefully, you'll see that I gave an answer already |
| 06:19.49 | pickcoder | blahdeblah_: no problem. I now know how to update cron entries myself. <G> |
| 06:20.56 | floundering | When using dpkg-buildpackage, is it better to make a symlink for a build dependacy that is not fullfilled to a version thats installed or just use the -d option as suggested by dpkg-b...? |
| 06:20.58 | blahdeblah_ | pickcoder: dh_installcron seems to be the "official" way - your link says at the top that it is out of date. |
| 06:21.19 | pickcoder | blahdeblah_: gah.. oh well. I'll review dh_installcron then |
| 06:21.24 | karsten | So, playing with some stuff, audacity, trying to record. Recording source is /dev/dsp. System mic (Thinkpad T21) works, I can hear input through headphones (listening to myself type right now), but won't actually record in audacity. Any ideas? |
| 06:22.09 | Aeschylus | Huh... check which line audacity is recording from, check the volume level of that line. |
| 06:22.47 | karsten | audacity *only* lists /dev/dsp as an input option. I've got levels set through aumix, mic responds to the 'Mic' source |
| 06:24.00 | pickcoder | I'm out.. cheerz! |
| 06:24.28 | karsten | Aeschylus: aumix has /dev/mixer open. |
| 06:26.13 | Aeschylus | karsten: I'm not that familiar with the linux audio system, really. Never was much of an audio guy. Once recorded on windows with audacity... the only way to get it to work was, strangely, to have the music be coming out of lineout, and not having headphones in. Created lots of feedback... and that's the limit of my experience. |
| 06:27.01 | karsten | Yep. Audacity _rocked_ for me on Windows. Was using it with kids to mix beats and stuff. |
| 06:27.12 | karsten | Actually used it in Ubuntu at one point as well. |
| 06:27.46 | dansushi | i'm having trouble making my computer activate the network (dhclient) when my computer starts. So i went into the Control Center, and into Network Settings. Then I go to configure device for eth0, my network interface and check off 'activate when the computer starts'. But then when i click OK, it won't let my click out. |
| 06:27.49 | nopalin | karsten: hola |
| 06:28.00 | karsten | nopalin: hola! |
| 06:28.18 | tuv | karsten, is mic your active capture source in the mixer? |
| 06:28.53 | nopalin | karsten: i figured out my last problem.. fstab was ponting to the bad direction (with hda) |
| 06:28.58 | nopalin | karsten: =) |
| 06:29.01 | karsten | tuv: ?? |
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| 06:29.12 | karsten | nopalin: OK. I forget the specific issue. |
| 06:29.24 | tuv | karsten, !! |
| 06:29.43 | karsten | tuv: I can control mic level with aumix, which is accessing /dev/mixer. Input apparently is supposed to be /dev/dsp. |
| 06:30.02 | acad | any chance anybody know why i get an error with wikimedia and parserfunction? Missing argument 2 for wfparserfunctionslanguagegetmagic() in ParserFunctions.php on line 161 |
| 06:30.28 | karsten | acad: sounds like a wiki / php error. I'd hit a wikimedia support channel /list m'self. |
| 06:30.39 | acad | yea, :) tried that |
| 06:30.51 | tuv | karsten, i'm not talking about the input device. the mixer can choose only one of many sources from which to capture. usually mic is muted as a capture source. you need to unmute it as a capture source and select it as a capture source |
| 06:31.23 | karsten | tuv: It's unmuted, I think. Otherwise, how do I test/set mute on mic? |
| 06:31.25 | acad | a similar problem exists with gentoo and emerge - i used that fix and while the error goes away when i test the functions they don't work |
| 06:31.27 | tuv | karsten, run alsamixer and hit tab to switch from Playback to Recording |
| 06:32.19 | karsten | tuv: Got it. |
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| 06:32.38 | karsten | tuv: do I have to do that every time? Can I be in pb/cap mode at the same time? (all?) |
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| 06:33.03 | tuv | karsten, you are. but you control one at a time in mixer apps |
| 06:33.29 | karsten | tuv: OK. 'Mic' says "L R" and "CAPTUR" underneath. |
| 06:33.37 | karsten | No volume setting. "Capture" says 93. |
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| 06:34.49 | karsten | Only other adjustable values are for ADC and DAC, both 100%, and ... 3D Contr, two values, center & depth, both 0. |
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| 06:35.23 | nopalin | karsten: i want to download some sources with gif, but that commando doesnt' exist anymore, so i use gitfm, and i shows me this error : |
| 06:35.31 | nopalin | karsten: gitfm: fatal error: `chdir' failed: permission denied. |
| 06:35.40 | nopalin | i ran it as root, but shows the same |
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| 06:36.05 | karsten | nopalin: No idea, ask channel. |
| 06:36.11 | nopalin | ok |
| 06:36.17 | tuv | karsten, you select the capture source from the capture tab, but control the volume of the source from the playback tab |
| 06:36.20 | nopalin | channel, i wak you :p |
| 06:36.21 | kevsthabest | anyone here have experience mounting a buslink r24s cddrive in deb? |
| 06:36.44 | tuv | karsten, make sure you enable the mic boost if it's available too |
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| 06:37.31 | kevsthabest | (usb btw) |
| 06:37.56 | karsten | There's a display for it but no response, top left of screen indicates "Off" |
| 06:38.23 | karsten | tuv: ALso a Mic Select, 1 or 2, headphone monitor silences selecting 'Mic2'. |
| 06:38.29 | tuv | karsten, hit m to enable it |
| 06:38.47 | tuv | m for mute toggle |
| 06:39.09 | karsten | Got it. |
| 06:39.22 | karsten | Noisyier. |
| 06:39.41 | karsten | Still nothing in audacity. |
| 06:40.00 | tuv | karsten, if you have esd running, kill it |
| 06:40.01 | karsten | Running the 'sox' "rec /tmp/record" command results in immediate exit, BTW> |
| 06:40.49 | tuv | karsten, oss is no fun :( |
| 06:40.53 | karsten | There shoulod be a way to record using sox directly, not sure what it is. |
| 06:41.02 | karsten | tuv: oss or alsa? or is sox an oss thing? |
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| 06:41.18 | tuv | karsten, audacity has support only for oss |
| 06:41.24 | karsten | Man, it's really weird listing to everything through headphones... |
| 06:41.45 | karsten | tuv: Ah. Didn't know that. What's the alsa sound interface? Or si there another recording app that speaks alsa? |
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| 06:42.15 | cahoot | karsten: arecord at least for testing |
| 06:42.35 | tuv | karsten, don't know actually. there must be some |
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| 06:43.08 | tuv | karsten, but audacity works.. after you almost give up :/ |
| 06:43.30 | karsten | tuv: Heh. |
| 06:43.44 | karsten | OK, arecord seemed to record something (riff format) but won't play back. |
| 06:44.53 | Master_Medic | whats a good dvd ripper for debian? |
| 06:45.13 | acad | dvd::rip |
| 06:45.34 | Master_Medic | is that in the repositories? |
| 06:45.47 | acad | you might also try xDVDShrink |
| 06:45.51 | acad | i think both are |
| 06:46.00 | tuv | Master_Medic, mencoder if you're willing to find your way through its command line options :) |
| 06:46.02 | karsten | tuv: What's a good recording rate? 8k is default. I though 21/128 was more standard? |
| 06:46.41 | nopalin | im new in CVS, how can i download this directory ? http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/dri/ |
| 06:46.45 | Master_Medic | tuv, no i'm not :P |
| 06:46.59 | tuv | Master_Medic, then dvdrip is great for you |
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| 06:47.31 | karsten | cahoot: How do you terminate recording w/ arecord? |
| 06:47.38 | cahoot | ctrl-c |
| 06:48.34 | Master_Medic | dvdrip or xdvdshirink? |
| 06:48.37 | Master_Medic | which would you recommend? |
| 06:48.46 | karsten | cahoot: That's what I've been doing. No sensible output. |
| 06:48.47 | cahoot | karsten: unless you defined -d (duration) |
| 06:48.56 | tuv | karsten, is 21/128 a valid rate? |
| 06:49.12 | karsten | tuv: 21KHz / 128 KHz |
| 06:49.16 | cahoot | karsten: recording from a usb headset? |
| 06:49.23 | karsten | tuv: I think 8kHz is a sort of minimum stanard. |
| 06:49.33 | kevsthabest | i need a hand mounting a usb cddrive.. it will only show up as a usb_atapi4 bridge controller |
| 06:49.33 | karsten | cahoot: Recording from Thinkpad T21 onboard mic. |
| 06:49.42 | liable | nopalin: you cant from that url.. http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Building |
| 06:49.43 | cahoot | karsten: ok |
| 06:49.56 | karsten | cahoot: Monitoring through standard headphones in jack. I can *hear* the mic, I just can't record it. |
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| 06:50.06 | tuv | karsten, probably, but 16k is enough IMHO |
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| 06:50.23 | karsten | cahoot: Not sure if the soundcard has hits own audio bypass that's independent of the OS itself. |
| 06:50.26 | karsten | tuv: OK. |
| 06:50.36 | karsten | Just wondering if the rate is fuzting playback. |
| 06:50.38 | nopalin | liable: no i cant, git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/mesa/drm <--- that command shows me this: gitfm: fatal error: `chdir' failed: permission denied. |
| 06:50.53 | tuv | karsten, provided the mic can do it |
| 06:51.07 | karsten | arecord with a timeout *isn't* timing out. |
| 06:51.10 | karsten | arecord -d 10 -r 128 -t wav /tmp/arecord.wav |
| 06:51.16 | karsten | Started that ~20 seconds ago. |
| 06:51.47 | liable | nopalin: you have git the file manager installed... |
| 06:51.52 | karsten | Playback: Time: 00:00.18 [00:00.00] of 00:00.18 ( 100.0%) Output Buffer: 23.20K |
| 06:52.01 | nopalin | liable: of course |
| 06:52.01 | liable | nopalin: install the other git, and dpkg-reconfigure git |
| 06:52.04 | karsten | Seems like I'm not capturing much. |
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| 06:53.01 | karsten | liable: Nobody wanted to LART Linus and tell him the project name was already taken? |
| 06:53.04 | nopalin | liable: that no helps me so much |
| 06:53.39 | liable | karsten: dunno the details of why he chose the same name, i believe he is going to win though.. :) |
| 06:53.59 | karsten | liable: ;-) |
| 06:54.19 | cahoot | karsten: arecord -d 10 -f cd -D hw:0 test.wav - no output? |
| 06:54.36 | liable | nopalin: install git-core |
| 06:54.49 | karsten | cahoot: Better. It quit... |
| 06:54.53 | nopalin | liable: i have git-core installed |
| 06:55.06 | liable | nopalin: so dpkg-reconfgure git |
| 06:55.07 | karsten | cahoot: ... and *something* seems to want to play back. |
| 06:55.30 | liable | nopalin: you are using the wrong git.. what more do i need to say? |
| 06:55.34 | nopalin | liable: i did that, but there isn't a difference |
| 06:55.45 | liable | nopalin: did you choose the other one? |
| 06:55.54 | nopalin | how do i use worng git? |
| 06:55.57 | karsten | cahoot: No output. |
| 06:56.05 | liable | nopalin: ok, try update-alternatives --config git |
| 06:56.12 | karsten | nopalin: There are two seperate software projects called "git" |
| 06:56.24 | karsten | nopalin: One is a source control system, the other is a file manager. |
| 06:56.44 | nopalin | well, when i run git, it tells me that the name was change for gitfm, and i run that |
| 06:57.44 | liable | nopalin: google, obviously i am not having much luck explaining to you, there are details about this on the intarweb |
| 06:58.12 | nopalin | liable, ok i got it |
| 06:58.22 | nopalin | update-alternatives has 2 choices |
| 06:58.41 | liable | yes, pick the other one |
| 06:58.42 | nopalin | i selected the second one and it works |
| 06:59.00 | roxy_ | I am trying to use reportbug, when I finish, it says that bug report have been sent to bug@.. and to me. But nothing. I edit reportbug.cnf and put my login/password for my isp but still no luck. Is there log somewhere ? is there something I forgot ? |
| 06:59.04 | liable | yay |
| 06:59.12 | nopalin | this is very confused for linux-new-users |
| 06:59.25 | nopalin | well not so new |
| 06:59.31 | nopalin | i have around 1 year using linux |
| 06:59.43 | liable | nopalin: new linux user dont usually compile from cvs/git :P |
| 06:59.45 | tuv | karsten, ok, are you ready to record in audacity? |
| 07:00.01 | SilentChaos-GLHF | new linux users get ubuntu |
| 07:00.06 | roxy_ | will the default mta use my isp ? (I got kmail working well on my pc) |
| 07:00.09 | liable | roxy_: isnt it in .reportbugrc? |
| 07:00.11 | karsten | tuv: Sure. |
| 07:00.21 | nopalin | liable: that's right, however it is confused :p |
| 07:00.52 | liable | SilentChaos-GLHF: bah |
| 07:00.57 | karsten | tuv: What's the trick? |
| 07:01.06 | SilentChaos-GLHF | no like ubuntu? |
| 07:01.13 | SilentChaos-GLHF | I started with a debian server... |
| 07:01.27 | tuv | karsten, select mic as your record source. max the capture volume in record tab. adjust mic volume in playback tab. and the magic trick is "amixer set Capture cap" |
| 07:01.39 | SilentChaos-GLHF | broke some stuff, fixed some stuff, got addicted to linux |
| 07:02.20 | tuv | karsten, you can't have any other app using the sound while you start audacity. start it from the command line to see if it's able to open the sound device successfully |
| 07:02.22 | liable | nopalin: are you compiling for aiglx/xgl or something? |
| 07:03.00 | karsten | tuv: No dice. |
| 07:03.08 | roxy_ | liable: can I just keep "smtphost bugs.debian.org" instead of using my isp ? |
| 07:03.41 | nopalin | liable: i have xgl running, but some appls dont work correctly, i think i need DRI, so i going to compile it |
| 07:03.52 | tuv | i just recorded in audacity karsten. does it start without complaining about the sound devices in the console? |
| 07:03.55 | liable | roxy_: i cant remember and i havent set reportbug up on this box yet |
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| 07:04.14 | nopalin | liable: for example, when i run fgl_gears i get this error: Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
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| 07:04.19 | karsten | tuv: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3672 |
| 07:04.23 | liable | nopalin: if you have xgl, then dri comes from your proprietry driver |
| 07:04.48 | karsten | tuv: Yeah. I set amixer, restarted audacity, selected 'mic'. maxed input / output. No recording. |
| 07:04.50 | nopalin | liable: how? i dont understan that very well |
| 07:04.53 | liable | nopalin: check the multitude of ubuntu posts on the subject |
| 07:04.54 | karsten | Source is still /dev/dsp. |
| 07:05.12 | fusion | Hi, has anyone here had experience in broadcasting NSV from linux? I have the server and broadcaster all set up and talking to each other, but the broadcaster reports that it cannot open the NSV file.. I've tried to use the sample NSV files provided by nullsoft too.. |
| 07:05.24 | tuv | karsten, that's fine. but if you start audacity from the prompt, does it complain? does it print out anything at all? |
| 07:05.25 | nopalin | liable: i cheked them, but my english is not very good, and spanish howtos dont explain it very well |
| 07:05.40 | karsten | tuv: No. See paster link above. |
| 07:05.52 | karsten | tuv: No output at all. |
| 07:05.59 | tuv | karsten, that's good |
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| 07:06.02 | karsten | tuv: ... on cmdline. |
| 07:06.06 | karsten | tuv: ... but no recording either. |
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| 07:06.26 | tuv | karsten, do "amixer set Mix cap" |
| 07:06.42 | liable | nopalin: the point that i am trying to make, is that your proprietry driver is what supplies the dri module for your card, and compiling dri wont help, because those drivers arent in there |
| 07:07.13 | liable | nopalin: unless you have a card thats supported by open source drivers, and you may as well run aiglx in that case |
| 07:07.16 | karsten | tuv: Done. Front Left / Riggh: Capture [on] |
| 07:07.21 | karsten | tuv: .. as two lines. |
| 07:07.31 | tuv | karsten, did you max "capture" in the record tab in alsamixer? |
| 07:08.07 | karsten | tuv: Yep. |
| 07:08.16 | tuv | karsten, does audacity work? |
| 07:08.27 | karsten | tuv: It does play back sources. |
| 07:08.49 | karsten | tuv: ... I can generate tones, make effects, edit, etc. |
| 07:08.52 | karsten | Just not record. |
| 07:09.23 | nopalin | liable: i have an ati readeon 9550, how can i know if my current driver supports dri? |
| 07:09.23 | tuv | karsten, did you try changing "Mic Select" in alsamixer? |
| 07:09.29 | liable | whats the raw file converter for linux? |
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| 07:09.46 | liable | nopalin: glxinfo |
| 07:10.12 | cahoot | karsten: is this a snd-hda-intel thing? |
| 07:10.21 | liable | nopalin: before you try and run xgl, make sure you have direct rendering and ati library running it.. |
| 07:11.42 | tuv | karsten, after you change anything in the mixer re-run both amixer commands again before retrying to record |
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| 07:11.57 | liable | ah, dcraw |
| 07:12.29 | karsten | tuv: No. How? |
| 07:12.29 | nopalin | liable: damn, that command makes my graphics work incorrectly |
| 07:12.37 | karsten | cahoot: How would I determin that? |
| 07:12.39 | tuv | karsten, up and down |
| 07:12.51 | cahoot | karsten: lsmod |
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| 07:13.23 | liable | nopalin: what command? |
| 07:13.31 | nopalin | liable: fglrxinfo |
| 07:13.57 | liable | nopalin: i didnt say fglrxinfo, i said glxinfo... |
| 07:14.13 | nopalin | liable: but the command output was: Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". Renderes.. OpenGl... Mesa.. and aother else i dont remember |
| 07:14.22 | liable | nopalin: so google it |
| 07:14.31 | nopalin | liable, i dont have glxinfo |
| 07:14.48 | nopalin | i ise fglrx driver |
| 07:14.51 | nopalin | use* |
| 07:15.04 | liable | nopalin: install mesa-utils |
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| 07:15.36 | nopalin | what that package is for? |
| 07:16.00 | tuv | karsten, hmm.. sorry. i think you need only the first amixer command. the second changes the recording source to mix rather than mic |
| 07:16.02 | streuner | !info mesa-utils |
| 07:16.10 | karsten | tuv: Odd, one sec. |
| 07:16.10 | dpkg | mesa-utils: (Miscellaneous Mesa GL utilities), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.3.2-2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
| 07:16.32 | tuv | karsten, unless you want to record the mix and not only the mic |
| 07:16.57 | kristalino | hi."error : I could not initialize video and/or the timer ! The Simple DirectMedia Layer error that occured was : No available video device" When i run tuxpaint. Any ideas ? |
| 07:16.59 | karsten | cahoot: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3673 |
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| 07:18.01 | karsten | tuv: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3674 |
| 07:19.31 | tuv | karsten, enable master mono |
| 07:20.10 | liable | stupid gtkam.. |
| 07:20.10 | nopalin | liable: what driver should i install for my ati chip and work for xgl? |
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| 07:20.11 | karsten | tuv: amixer: Unknown command 'enable'... |
| 07:20.22 | tuv | karsten, in alsamixer |
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| 07:20.53 | karsten | Done. |
| 07:21.31 | tuv | karsten, no try recording |
| 07:22.06 | tuv | karsten, if it doesn't work try changing "mic select" in alsamiser |
| 07:22.10 | tuv | alsamixer* |
| 07:22.19 | liable | nopalin: google has the details :) sorry, but i am trying to fix something for myself atm.. |
| 07:22.20 | karsten | Sec. |
| 07:22.37 | nopalin | liable: ok, thanks for all |
| 07:24.03 | xiaoarly | http://xiaoarly.ifastnet.com |
| 07:24.33 | karsten | tuv: Nope. |
| 07:24.46 | karsten | tuv: Note I'd reduced mic volume in aumix, had to raise it again there. |
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| 07:25.04 | karsten | tuv: I've got audacity and alsamixer running at the same time. |
| 07:25.07 | liable | nopalin: a good doc is the gentoo xgl howto |
| 07:25.08 | tuv | karsten, don't use multiple mixers |
| 07:25.14 | karsten | tuv: Habit. |
| 07:25.21 | xiaoarly | use suse |
| 07:25.21 | karsten | tuv: ... and the drive whine was driving me nuts. |
| 07:25.22 | xiaoarly | is ok |
| 07:25.28 | konstat | is there any linux chat client that can use animated emoticons? |
| 07:25.36 | karsten | konstat: irssi |
| 07:25.41 | karsten | konstat: Just shake your screen. |
| 07:25.49 | konstat | :D |
| 07:25.53 | nopalin | liable: i tryed it in a gentoo box, and couldn't run xgl |
| 07:26.07 | tuv | karsten, did you enable "master mono"? it was off in your paste. and did you try switch mic1 and mic2 in alsamixer's mic select? |
| 07:26.08 | lunitik | konstat, gaim and kopete both support animated emoticons.... |
| 07:26.10 | karsten | konstat: trillian or gaim would be your best bets if any. |
| 07:26.15 | wols_ | nopalin: what videocard do you have? |
| 07:26.24 | karsten | Yes, I did. |
| 07:26.24 | lunitik | karsten, trillian? wtf |
| 07:26.26 | karsten | Simple mixer control 'Master Mono',0 |
| 07:26.27 | nopalin | ati radeon 9550 |
| 07:26.32 | konstat | not chatzilla or bitch? |
| 07:26.34 | karsten | lunitik: Is that 'doze only? |
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| 07:26.38 | wols_ | fglrx then |
| 07:26.43 | nopalin | wols_ : ati radeon 9550 |
| 07:26.50 | karsten | lunitik: I really don't care for GUI chat clients. |
| 07:26.54 | lunitik | karsten, yes... I mean you can get it working via wine... but its crap either way |
| 07:26.58 | nopalin | wols_: i have that, but i have some ploblems |
| 07:27.11 | karsten | lunitik: OK. AOL's crapware is worse. I can assure you. |
| 07:27.16 | wols_ | I've sssen, but its the only drivr you can use |
| 07:27.28 | lunitik | karsten, thats why I stated gaim or kopete |
| 07:27.42 | nopalin | wols_, like i cant run fgl_gears and fglrxinfo freeze my graphics |
| 07:27.43 | konstat | what happen if one uses animated emoticon in a client that does not support? will it still show a still image? |
| 07:27.56 | karsten | tuv: Thanks for your help, I'm going to call this a wash at present. |
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| 07:28.07 | tuv | karsten, ok.. last check up: close all mixers but alsamixer. Playback tab: Master, Master Mono, PCM, Mic, Mic Boost: all have to be unmuted (no MM) |
| 07:28.17 | wols_ | konstat: there are not images, animated or otherwise on irc. there are never images |
| 07:28.25 | liable | stupid gtkam doesnt have a dependancy on gphoto2.. |
| 07:28.30 | lunitik | konstat, animated emoticons are just gifs... if the chat client doesn't support gifs, it won't display at all |
| 07:28.31 | karsten | konstat: Most likely it would display only the first or last frame of the animation sequence. Assuming it even used your emoticons at all. |
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| 07:28.42 | tuv | karsten, Mic Select: try all available options |
| 07:28.58 | lunitik | liable, I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be an issue with upstream... |
| 07:29.22 | karsten | Sec. |
| 07:29.24 | tuv | karsten, switch to the Capture tab. select Mic by space. max Capture |
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| 07:29.40 | tuv | karsten, if it doesn't work, i don't know how it will |
| 07:29.44 | karsten | tuv: line and cd are muted. Oters not. |
| 07:30.13 | konstat | wols_: ;) :) :P :D |
| 07:30.22 | tuv | karsten, should be fine, but i'd unmute everything just to test it out |
| 07:30.35 | pvs | on my debian testing box, apt-proxy don't start :( |
| 07:31.04 | karsten | tuv: I can select mic on capture but not adjust volume. I've got red "L R" and "CAPTUR" underneath that. |
| 07:31.28 | karsten | Ah... Capture was zeroed. |
| 07:31.31 | tuv | karsten, that's find. the Capture tab is for selecting the capture source only. volume can be set in the playback tab |
| 07:31.36 | lunitik | wols_, most chat application implement emoticons via triggers... anything implementing IRC _can_ have emoticons if the devel wants it... |
| 07:31.49 | karsten | tuv: OK, now? |
| 07:32.05 | lunitik | wols_, kopete and gaim both would display emoticons when using their IRC plugins |
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| 07:32.19 | lunitik | why you'd do that I'm not entirely sure... both are pretty crap... but yeah |
| 07:32.28 | karsten | This content is stored as http://channels.debian.net/paste/3675. |
| 07:32.30 | tuv | karsten, fire up audacity in the command line and watch out for errors. if none then try recording |
| 07:32.33 | liable | lunitik: huh? |
| 07:32.40 | lunitik | (both of their IRC plugins... both chat apps are nice..) |
| 07:32.47 | lunitik | liable, how did I confuse you? |
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| 07:33.14 | liable | lunitik: the bit about gphoto.. have read the description for gtkam? |
| 07:33.22 | karsten | tuv: Nada. |
| 07:33.42 | karsten | tuv: No errors, no recording. Had to bump mic input up, still nothing. |
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| 07:33.52 | xiaoarly | german |
| 07:33.54 | wols_ | lunitik: IRC, the protocol has no images period. if some stupid developers want to tunnel arbitrary crap over another protocol, of course they can do so (there are other things like http over dns....) but it's nothing to do with IRC |
| 07:33.54 | tuv | karsten, sorry then |
| 07:33.59 | karsten | !de |
| 07:34.00 | dpkg | from memory, de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 07:34.09 | tuv | karsten, you sure your mic is ok? |
| 07:34.10 | karsten | tuv: Thanks, much appreciated. |
| 07:34.19 | karsten | tuv: I can *hear* it fine. I can't record for shit. |
| 07:34.27 | konstat | animated emoticons are no use? |
| 07:34.28 | lunitik | liable, you stated it doesn't depend on libgphonto ... the application is based on this lib though... so its the debian maintainers fault that its not a dep in debian |
| 07:34.46 | karsten | tuv: And it's not just audacity, so I'm thinking it's a sound config issue as neither sox nor arecord will get anything from it either. |
| 07:34.52 | tuv | karsten, do you have the oss mixer module loaded? |
| 07:34.56 | cat | lunitik: email the developer and tell him about the issue you're having perhaps |
| 07:34.59 | karsten | tuv: 00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] (rev 01) |
| 07:35.16 | karsten | tuv: snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss |
| 07:35.25 | liable | lunitik: i stated it doesnt depend on gphoto2, not libgphoto... |
| 07:35.26 | karsten | tuv: No alsa modules FWIW. |
| 07:35.33 | lunitik | wols_, you're over complicating things... triggers just act on sets of characters... there is no 'tunneling' anything... |
| 07:35.47 | tuv | karsten, all snd_* modules are alsa's.. your modules are fine |
| 07:35.50 | lunitik | liable, why would one frontend depend on another? |
| 07:35.54 | karsten | tuv: OK. |
| 07:36.15 | lunitik | cat, I'm having no issue :/ |
| 07:36.26 | cat | ok |
| 07:36.30 | karsten | tuv: Sound mods: snd_cs46xx gameport snd_rawmidi snd_seq_device snd_ac97_codec snd_ac97_bus snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm snd_timer snd soundcore snd_page_alloc |
| 07:36.36 | karsten | tuv: lsmod | grep snd | awk '{printf( "%s ", $1 )}; END {print "" }' |
| 07:36.49 | wols_ | lunitik: all I can say is that thsoe developers misuse the IRC spec to transport content which is not inside the spec. this leads to other people who use IRC compliant clients to not get all the information the animation guy sends out. it leads to miscommunication. bad |
| 07:36.53 | tuv | karsten, i saw your lsmod paste |
| 07:37.02 | karsten | tuv: OK, just one-linering it ;-) |
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| 07:37.32 | wols_ | old saying: "be conservative in what you send, liberal in what you accept" |
| 07:37.36 | tuv | karsten, that was a rather sad ending :/ |
| 07:37.44 | karsten | wols_: I suspect that animated emoticons are a local client feature only. No way to ensure an arbitrary remote client sees same. |
| 07:37.52 | lunitik | wols_, neither gaim nor kopete do anything with the protocol to implement emoticons... the client just turns things like ':)' into a smiley face.... all locally :/ |
| 07:37.55 | wols_ | karsten: of course not |
| 07:37.57 | karsten | tuv: As TAE would say: I know one more thing that doesn't work. |
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| 07:38.09 | karsten | wols_: Bloody idjeets on teh intarweb. |
| 07:38.22 | karsten | wols_: It's a bunch of tubes! |
| 07:38.29 | tuv | karsten, well i'd say: i know it doesn't work that way, but it ought to work somehow |
| 07:38.51 | karsten | tuv: right. There's something in sound config somewher.e And I've learned a few of the alsa tools. |
| 07:39.14 | tuv | karsten, i spent quite some time when i first tried to record in audacity. maybe i did something then that is still stuck in my machine but i can't remember |
| 07:39.41 | karsten | tuv: I've had it working on different boxen, just not this one. |
| 07:40.09 | karsten | tuv: Maybe it's the NSA tapping my laptop and blocking access to the mic... |
| 07:40.13 | tuv | karsten, look for recording using this particular sound chip under linux in google then |
| 07:40.28 | karsten | tuv: Right. I'm sorta doing that. Ice cream first. |
| 07:40.42 | tuv | karsten, that would ruin there effort. a mic is a powerful resource :) |
| 07:40.47 | cahoot | karsten: does /proc/asound/pcm list a dedicated mic entry? |
| 07:41.05 | lunitik | wols_, although, kopete and (apparently) gaim support custom emoticons on MSN, so CAN fetch emoticons over some protocols... that isn't whats done for most emoticons |
| 07:41.07 | karsten | cahoot: /join #flood |
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| 07:41.49 | karsten | cahoot: ? |
| 07:41.57 | karsten | cahoot: I'm not seeing one. |
| 07:41.57 | cahoot | karsten: it doesn't |
| 07:42.00 | karsten | OK. |
| 07:42.17 | konstat | have installed hwtools but it is not in the kde menu and when i start it in a shell, i get: command not found. how to start it? |
| 07:42.33 | karsten | konstat: dpkg -L hwtools |
| 07:42.39 | karsten | konstat: P'raps /usr/sbin? |
| 07:42.54 | konstat | maybe, i'll check. |
| 07:43.02 | karsten | lunitik: I'll sign up when it can do an IFS. |
| 07:43.15 | karsten | konstat: Probably an admin tool, hence not on your path. |
| 07:43.17 | lunitik | karsten, huh? |
| 07:43.19 | karsten | konstat: sudo to root. |
| 07:43.23 | karsten | !IFS |
| 07:43.28 | karsten | Stupid bot. |
| 07:43.45 | konstat | i tried it in root |
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| 07:43.47 | karsten | dpkg: IFS is the Internet Face Stab protocol, you twit. |
| 07:43.47 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 07:44.05 | lunitik | karsten, and what is that? |
| 07:44.19 | karsten | lunitik: A way of stabing lusers in the face over teh intarweb. |
| 07:44.27 | karsten | lunitik: A very sorely needed protocol, I might add. |
| 07:44.48 | lunitik | karsten, why would you want to talk to lusers one on one? |
| 07:44.58 | karsten | lunitik: I wouldn't. QED. |
| 07:44.59 | cahoot | karsten: might check this out: http://alsa2.opensrc.org/FAQ#I_cannot_record_from_the_microphone |
| 07:45.11 | lunitik | !qed |
| 07:45.12 | dpkg | [qed] 'quod erat demonstrandum', meaning "That which was to have been proved.", or for proofs: "Quite Easily/Elegantly Done". Quantum ElectroDynamics |
| 07:45.12 | karsten | cahoot: Danke. |
| 07:45.34 | karsten | cahoot: Seems to be what we've been going through here. |
| 07:45.59 | konstat | ? |
| 07:46.09 | lunitik | karsten, I talk to friends over messengers... because I have ADD, so phone conversations get boring for me... |
| 07:46.30 | konstat | ok, there is /etc/init.d/hwtools. so it starts auto during boot. no means to tweak it. |
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| 07:47.11 | tuv | karsten, did you get to the "comment from reader" on that page? |
| 07:47.14 | karsten | konstat: dpkg -L hwtools | grep bin/ |
| 07:47.21 | karsten | konstat: ... will show you the binaries in that package. |
| 07:47.34 | karsten | tuv: Sec. Trying mic2 just for grins. |
| 07:47.43 | lunitik | Actually, I have ADHD, which is the opposite of ADD... but yeah |
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| 07:48.16 | jngu1 | hello |
| 07:48.24 | jngu1 | anyway to dpkg and list by date? |
| 07:48.38 | karsten | tuv: IGain's already maxed. |
| 07:48.50 | dondelelcaro | jngu1: date of what? |
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| 07:48.58 | karsten | jngu1: Anyway to ask a comprehensible question? |
| 07:49.05 | karsten | brb, icecream. |
| 07:49.06 | jngu1 | lol |
| 07:49.07 | jngu1 | sorry |
| 07:49.10 | jngu1 | figured it out |
| 07:49.10 | lunitik | dondelelcaro, date installed presumably |
| 07:49.17 | jngu1 | var/log/dpkg.log |
| 07:50.04 | konstat | how to check if DMA is enabled? |
| 07:50.21 | konstat | hdparm? |
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| 07:50.34 | lunitik | konstat, dmesg | grep DMA probably |
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| 07:51.02 | tuv | konstat, yup |
| 07:51.47 | konstat | and it seems hwtools does not include hdparm. |
| 07:52.22 | karsten | konstat: Yes. |
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| 07:53.06 | karsten | konstat: hdparm is a seperate package. |
| 07:53.14 | karsten | !tell konstat about search |
| 07:53.37 | konstat | thks, know that. |
| 07:54.14 | konstat | dmesg shows that DMA is on for the hd and the cdrom. |
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| 07:55.20 | jngu1 | anyone know which font includes em space? |
| 07:55.34 | jngu1 | for display in firefox? |
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| 07:59.21 | roxy_ | I got: SMTP send failure: SMTP AUTH extension not supported by server. |
| 07:59.41 | roxy_ | Is it because I am using a password ? |
| 07:59.53 | karsten | roxy_: You're attempting an SMTP auth connection to a server. Yes, you're using a password (likely hashed). |
| 08:00.02 | karsten | roxy_: What mailserver are you running locally? |
| 08:00.14 | konstat | is gnomemeeting the only linux tool for videoconferencing? |
| 08:00.19 | karsten | roxy_: Alternatively: go through your config and look for an smtpauth option and disable it. |
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| 08:02.00 | wols_ | roxy_: where do you get this error? in your mailclient or in your syslog from your local mailserver? |
| 08:02.06 | karsten | konstat: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:02.09 | roxy_ | karsten: I use kmail without problem to send mail. I am trying to use reportbug, the error comes from reportbug. I entered in reportbug.cnf the same setting than in kmail |
| 08:02.20 | roxy_ | wols_: ^ |
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| 08:02.42 | karsten | roxy_: Is kmail configured to use your local mail transport or to godirectly through your ISP's mailserver? |
| 08:03.11 | karsten | roxy_: Still looks as if your local mail transport (which reportbug would use) is configured for smtpauth. |
| 08:04.33 | roxy_ | shouldn't report bug the easiest package to use :-) |
| 08:04.55 | roxy_ | karsten: kmail talks directly to my isp |
| 08:05.32 | karsten | roxy_: OK, my first answer stands: reconfigure your smtp server. Confirm that reportbug is attempting to send through that first perhaps. |
| 08:05.54 | karsten | roxy_: And no, reportbug *shouldn't* be the easiest package to use. |
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| 08:06.01 | dylan_ | Sometimes, my debian box has choppy sound. I'm using the latest kernel in Sarge. Sometimes during high CPU usage or even when installing a new app, it cuts out for a second. Waht can i do? |
| 08:06.03 | karsten | roxy_: You want to weed out the idiots. |
| 08:06.19 | karsten | dylan_: sound is *very* latency sensitive. |
| 08:06.38 | karsten | dylan_: High CPU usage and high disk load will impact the sound buffer. |
| 08:06.43 | dylan_ | karsten, this doesn't happen on any other GNU/Linux system |
| 08:07.12 | karsten | dylan_: Same or similar HW? |
| 08:07.20 | karsten | dylan_: google "linux choppy sound" |
| 08:07.25 | dylan_ | same hw |
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| 08:08.25 | karsten | dylan_: All sounds? Some sounds? All codecs? Some codecs? |
| 08:08.43 | karsten | dylan_: Seems like you're the guy in a great position to sort out some of the parameters affecting this issue. |
| 08:09.07 | dylan_ | maybe i'll be forced to go back to the nasty non-free ubuntu |
| 08:09.46 | dylan_ | i want to be free |
| 08:09.49 | cast | dylan_: i'd grab a shiny new kernel from backports.org personally |
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| 08:10.03 | dylan_ | oh well |
| 08:10.18 | karsten | dylan_: Look at the differences between a working and a non-working config. Blog about it. Be a hero. |
| 08:11.09 | jngu1 | karsten: lol |
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| 08:11.38 | karsten | Y'know, I'm being totally serious. This is how shit gets fixed. |
| 08:11.44 | jngu1 | lol |
| 08:11.45 | jngu1 | I know |
| 08:11.53 | jngu1 | http://blog.ucsd.edu/jnguy/ |
| 08:11.56 | jngu1 | I just started myself. |
| 08:12.14 | jngu1 | I'm trying to figure out why em space doesn't work so that I can blog about it :) |
| 08:12.20 | karsten | jngu1: Cool, now if you can sort how to record w/ ALSA ;-) |
| 08:12.27 | jngu1 | haha |
| 08:12.46 | jngu1 | em space and hibernate are my two current priorities |
| 08:13.02 | karsten | hibernate's on the list. |
| 08:13.07 | karsten | Actually, hibernation works just fine. |
| 08:13.18 | karsten | It's the waking up part that's a tad flakey. |
| 08:13.24 | jngu1 | yeah, same for me. |
| 08:13.34 | jngu1 | and by tad flakey, I mean, completely doesn't work. |
| 08:13.43 | karsten | Do you have the "it starts to resume, then just hangs" feature? |
| 08:13.46 | jngu1 | They suggested a kernel upgrade on the suspend2 list |
| 08:13.48 | jngu1 | yeah |
| 08:13.54 | jngu1 | it looks like a kernel dump |
| 08:13.58 | karsten | same. |
| 08:14.04 | jngu1 | and its partially functioning, but, its not. |
| 08:14.07 | jngu1 | I can switch terms |
| 08:14.13 | karsten | Yeah, I looked at the suspend2 patch and decided It could wait a bit. |
| 08:14.15 | jngu1 | with alt-ctrl f whatever |
| 08:14.26 | jngu1 | but it wasn't actually functional. |
| 08:14.27 | karsten | WTF's with the em space? That sounds like nit-picking. |
| 08:14.35 | karsten | Woah. Interesting. |
| 08:14.43 | jngu1 | as for em space |
| 08:14.55 | jngu1 | its just annoying when websites display the little box thingies. |
| 08:14.59 | karsten | Ah. |
| 08:15.21 | jngu1 | same thing you would see if you went to an east asian website without the fonts installed. |
| 08:15.30 | jngu1 | except I can't figure out if its a font or locale. |
| 08:15.41 | karsten | I think you want to install one of the web-friendly fonts. There's a set that's out for Linux these days. |
| 08:15.54 | jngu1 | any idea of the name? |
| 08:16.03 | karsten | There's a thin line between them. |
| 08:16.04 | karsten | Checking. |
| 08:16.14 | karsten | Konqueror's Just "Sans Serif" |
| 08:16.39 | jngu1 | yeah |
| 08:16.44 | jngu1 | firefox uses serif |
| 08:17.05 | karsten | Same. WHich is really an alias for something. |
| 08:17.11 | karsten | Default encoding ISO-8859-1 |
| 08:17.20 | karsten | Where's a site with this em-space issue? |
| 08:17.47 | karsten | I also override all fonts at all sites with a userContent.css |
| 08:17.55 | jngu1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_character |
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| 08:18.41 | karsten | I see boxes. |
| 08:18.49 | jngu1 | with numbers in it? |
| 08:18.56 | karsten | No. |
| 08:19.10 | karsten | Just the line: spaces ( ) ([]) [[]) |
| 08:19.15 | jngu1 | oh |
| 08:19.21 | jngu1 | no, thats fine. |
| 08:19.22 | karsten | ... erm. You get the idea. Where '[]' == a box. |
| 08:19.48 | jngu1 | yeah |
| 08:19.50 | jngu1 | thats okay |
| 08:19.58 | jngu1 | cause there is a space between the brackets |
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| 08:20.14 | karsten | The space renders as a box |
| 08:20.29 | karsten | I don't know if that's the intent or not. |
| 08:20.43 | jngu1 | you ever see if a website with like chinese text |
| 08:20.50 | jngu1 | but you don't have chinese fonts installed? |
| 08:20.57 | karsten | Yeah. |
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| 08:21.18 | karsten | Hrm. Google.cn has boxes... |
| 08:21.29 | jngu1 | yeah |
| 08:21.57 | jngu1 | google.cn renders chinese characters for me. |
| 08:22.06 | jngu1 | but you get the idea. |
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| 08:23.34 | DaBlade | This may seem like a stupid question, but when you're running on DSL over a LAN, there is absolutely no need whatsoever for PPP, right? |
| 08:23.35 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:23.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:23.45 | tarzeau | DaBlade: right |
| 08:23.52 | DaBlade | Ok |
| 08:23.55 | DaBlade | Just making sure, thanks |
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| 08:24.19 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:24.19 | dpkg | * Guerin/#debian goes to pick his wife up from kindy |
| 08:24.37 | karsten | DaBlade: Generally not. PPOE possibly. |
| 08:24.45 | streuner | !kill tarzeau |
| 08:24.54 | karsten | dpkg: No, *kill* him. |
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| 08:25.06 | streuner | hehe |
| 08:25.10 | jngu1 | oy. |
| 08:25.25 | jngu1 | time to reboot and see if this new kernel works |
| 08:26.19 | DaBlade | Hmm... Is there a need to run both klogd and syslogd at the same time? |
| 08:26.32 | DaBlade | sysklogd* |
| 08:26.38 | Charminthemoose | are module files .o files? |
| 08:27.00 | liable | Charminthemoose: these days usually .ko |
| 08:27.13 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ko these days. |
| 08:27.26 | liable | Charminthemoose: wild guess.. are you canadian? :) |
| 08:28.03 | karsten | liable: Smells Irish to me. |
| 08:28.09 | streuner | liable: /whois Charminthemoose |
| 08:28.44 | Charminthemoose | i am irish. |
| 08:28.50 | liable | streuner: i am to lazy to whois the ip :P |
| 08:28.53 | karsten | !beer me |
| 08:28.58 | liable | !win karsten |
| 08:28.58 | dpkg | Congratulations, karsten! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 08:29.11 | enouf | Mr Whipple with a |
| 08:30.03 | liable | off even.. |
| 08:30.32 | karsten | liable: IP traceroutes to eircom. |
| 08:30.51 | blondie | traceroutes? just whois it :P |
| 08:30.54 | liable | karsten: i was only going on the moose bit in the nick |
| 08:31.00 | streuner | which means nothing |
| 08:31.04 | karsten | liable: Right. |
| 08:31.08 | karsten | blondie: mtr |
| 08:31.11 | blondie | Charmin is a brand of toilet paper isn't it? :P |
| 08:31.17 | Charminthemoose | 'tis |
| 08:31.20 | karsten | blondie: No squeezing. |
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| 08:31.27 | blondie | I like squeezing |
| 08:31.27 | liable | Charminthemoose: tell us more :) |
| 08:31.29 | Charminthemoose | but i look at it as:Charmin' the moose |
| 08:31.36 | liable | haha |
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| 08:32.08 | streuner | don't abuse newbies, if needed abuse regulars instead ;-) |
| 08:32.20 | liable | Charminthemoose: erm, you call your poos, moose, or your bum or what? |
| 08:32.25 | karsten | !fishsmite streuner |
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| 08:32.44 | liable | streuner: whos abusing newbies? |
| 08:32.49 | Charminthemoose | liable:'tis just something i came up with randomly |
| 08:33.10 | liable | Charminthemoose: i like it, i just want to know what made you think of it :) |
| 08:33.22 | streuner | liable: just in case... |
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| 08:33.41 | jngu1 | Well |
| 08:33.44 | jngu1 | the kernel compile worked. |
| 08:33.52 | jngu1 | time to apply the patch. |
| 08:34.04 | streuner | Charminthemoose: .ko files are modules in 2.6.x kernels |
| 08:34.18 | liable | jngu1: shouldnt you apply patches before you compile? |
| 08:34.20 | Charminthemoose | and .o for 2.4? |
| 08:34.21 | jngu1 | Does debian now install with grub as the default bootloader? |
| 08:34.27 | wols_ | ~yes |
| 08:34.33 | apt | You don't say! |
| 08:34.37 | jngu1 | liable: I wanted to make sure the kernel itself works before applying the patches |
| 08:34.39 | karsten | liable: I suspect he's testing the build process independent of patch. |
| 08:34.48 | liable | i see |
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| 08:34.57 | liable | said the blind man |
| 08:35.11 | jngu1 | unfortunately, I'm compiling this on a 933 mhz p3 laptop. |
| 08:35.19 | jngu1 | not exactly the fastest thing in the world. |
| 08:35.20 | liable | ouch |
| 08:35.32 | streuner | Charminthemoose: yes |
| 08:35.55 | jngu1 | P3 > P4 though. |
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| 08:36.08 | jngu1 | lol |
| 08:36.18 | jngu1 | I love this lappy though. |
| 08:36.20 | wols_ | karsten: on a P3? |
| 08:36.26 | karsten | wols_: Yep. |
| 08:36.35 | jngu1 | Although I am thinking about a duo 2 core desktop. |
| 08:36.39 | wols_ | didn't know they made 1.1 ones unless you're OCing |
| 08:36.54 | karsten | Speaking of duos... |
| 08:36.55 | jngu1 | P3/P3M I think were some of the best notebook chips. |
| 08:37.06 | wols_ | jngu1: I am "thinking" about one too. too bad I can't afford one :P |
| 08:37.10 | Charminthemoose | is there anyway to check what module your router uses? |
| 08:37.11 | jngu1 | lol |
| 08:37.14 | karsten | "Good Morning Silicon Valley"'s caption of an Intel bunny toting ... |
| 08:37.19 | karsten | ... a dual core pink slip. |
| 08:37.21 | jngu1 | yeah |
| 08:37.26 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Sorry? |
| 08:37.31 | jngu1 | I'm going to wait until maybe january. |
| 08:37.34 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: what router? |
| 08:37.39 | blondie | Charminthemoose: routers don't use modules |
| 08:37.41 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Ask it? |
| 08:37.49 | jngu1 | lol |
| 08:38.15 | Charminthemoose | heh |
| 08:38.32 | Charminthemoose | ok i'm going into unfamilar territory here so forgive me |
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| 08:38.41 | karsten | Charminthemoose: routers (if you're talking networking) are just TCP/IP kit. You don't need drivers (other than your standard networking stuff) for them. |
| 08:38.50 | karsten | Charminthemoose: What's the problem you're trying to solve? |
| 08:38.50 | blondie | Charminthemoose: seperate devices don't use modules/drivers |
| 08:39.04 | karsten | blondie: Not _strictly_ true. |
| 08:39.14 | karsten | blondie: iscsi |
| 08:39.20 | blondie | well |
| 08:39.33 | blondie | depends how you define "seperate" c.c |
| 08:39.34 | karsten | blondie: But yes I'll concede the general rule. |
| 08:39.44 | Charminthemoose | it's just that my ethernetcard isn't being detected under the netinstall and i was wondering how to get it working... |
| 08:39.57 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Flogging. |
| 08:39.58 | liable | karsten: ru a girl? |
| 08:40.11 | karsten | Charminthemoose: What NIC? |
| 08:40.16 | jngu1 | lol |
| 08:40.16 | Charminthemoose | NIC? |
| 08:40.21 | jngu1 | network card |
| 08:40.22 | karsten | liable: I'm still waiting for the tests to come in. |
| 08:40.28 | karsten | Charminthemoose: NIC == network interface card |
| 08:40.30 | karsten | !NIC |
| 08:40.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 08:40.40 | Charminthemoose | ah. |
| 08:40.54 | jngu1 | check dmesg |
| 08:41.01 | jngu1 | and/or lspci |
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| 08:41.33 | karsten | ... or look at the NIC markings on the card itself. Googling numbers / values on larger chips is surprisingly effective. |
| 08:42.36 | karsten | tuv: Still around? Any idea how to start sound in full duplex? |
| 08:42.54 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Those would be commands for you to run and evaluate output. |
| 08:43.22 | karsten | Charminthemoose: 'lspci | grep Ether' should list your card. Something like: 00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 09 |
| 08:43.50 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ... which is an e100 (Intel driver) to Linux. |
| 08:43.53 | jngu1 | haha |
| 08:44.07 | jngu1 | looking at the nic isn't always the most convenient thing to do. |
| 08:44.18 | karsten | jngu1: It disambiguates a hell of a lot. |
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| 08:45.57 | jngu1 | hm |
| 08:46.10 | jngu1 | is the preferred linux chipset nvidia or ati again? |
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| 08:46.17 | karsten | jngu1: mu |
| 08:46.19 | liable | neither |
| 08:46.23 | jngu1 | I think nvidia... but logicaly I would sai ati |
| 08:46.32 | jngu1 | mu? |
| 08:46.44 | karsten | jngu1: Intel's got some fully supported graphics (accelerated) cards out. |
| 08:46.45 | karsten | !mu |
| 08:46.45 | dpkg | When asked by a monk if a dog had Buddha Nature, Joshu said "Mu." |
| 08:46.46 | wols_ | both suck, but nvidia sucks a bit less and has faster opengl |
| 08:46.47 | liable | intel chips are supported by aiglx |
| 08:46.51 | jngu1 | I'll eventually be looking for a decent graphics card |
| 08:46.55 | jngu1 | ah. |
| 08:46.57 | jngu1 | okay. |
| 08:47.04 | wols_ | karsten: the only problem is you can't really play games with their chips... |
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| 08:47.12 | jngu1 | I could care less about games. |
| 08:47.15 | karsten | wols_: Sure I can. |
| 08:47.16 | jngu1 | I just want dual displays :) |
| 08:47.24 | karsten | wols_: IRC, mailing lists, bash scripting ... ;-) |
| 08:47.44 | wols_ | karsten: you cannot. yes you can play old games in slideshow mode, but for good speed you only have 2 choices in hardware |
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| 08:48.04 | jngu1 | movies are important though. |
| 08:48.06 | wols_ | karsten: well, there are more games than just text adventures out there :P |
| 08:48.16 | jngu1 | and I'd prefer X to not take up all of my processor |
| 08:48.33 | Charminthemoose | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3676 if anyone wants to take a look |
| 08:48.45 | karsten | wols_: I'll grant you all that. I'm currently running on a 4 y.o. lappy with shit graphics. Works for me, almost. |
| 08:49.02 | karsten | wols_: Though Google Earth is pretty much exactly like watching grass grow ... |
| 08:49.05 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: you are running knoppix |
| 08:49.06 | liable | karsten: did you get suspend working? |
| 08:49.16 | wols_ | !knoppix |
| 08:49.16 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 08:49.23 | karsten | wols_: ... without the speed, hair-raising excitement, and adreneline rush. |
| 08:49.25 | liable | karsten: it rocks! for five minutes... |
| 08:49.28 | karsten | liable: Yes. |
| 08:49.42 | jngu1 | hm |
| 08:49.52 | jngu1 | so which graphics card would... you suggestion? |
| 08:49.53 | wols_ | karsten: "retirement home" proof? |
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| 08:50.05 | wols_ | jngu1: depends what you want. if you want 3D, nvidia |
| 08:50.19 | liable | my ati works.. |
| 08:50.20 | jngu1 | dual screens is the only requirement |
| 08:50.29 | jngu1 | pci express 16x I suppose is prefered. |
| 08:50.31 | wols_ | if all you want to do is watching movies, almost any will do. e.g. a cheap ati9200 with radeon driver |
| 08:50.32 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Um, you don't have a NIC. |
| 08:50.39 | liable | it even does xgl.. /me spins the cube. :P |
| 08:50.45 | Charminthemoose | 'tis correct |
| 08:50.49 | karsten | That would be a significant hinderance to getting online. |
| 08:51.00 | jngu1 | haha? |
| 08:51.04 | Charminthemoose | oh dear.i've gone wrong somewhere |
| 08:51.06 | karsten | wols_: /? |
| 08:51.08 | karsten | wols_: ?? |
| 08:51.15 | jngu1 | Charminthemoose: You knew you didn't have a nic? |
| 08:51.17 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Haven't we all, lad? |
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| 08:51.36 | wols_ | karsten: google earth is since it lacks the adrenaline |
| 08:51.42 | Charminthemoose | oh man i got pwned |
| 08:51.47 | karsten | Charminthemoose: You wouldn't happen to have a USB or other external networking device, would you? |
| 08:51.59 | Charminthemoose | karsten:uh,yeah |
| 08:52.07 | karsten | wols_: What I'm saying is that Google Earth on this box *really* bogs. |
| 08:52.09 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: first, you are running knoppix there. 2nd, you#re running a 2.4 kernel which probably doesn't support your NIC (if you actually have a NIC installed) |
| 08:52.25 | jngu1 | 2.4 is a perfectly good kernel. |
| 08:52.33 | jngu1 | and supports ALOT of hardware |
| 08:52.36 | karsten | wols_: NIC support on 2.4 is pretty decent. |
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| 08:53.13 | wols_ | jngu1: it's an old outdated kernel which does not support recent hardware (like recent intel or nvidia chipsets) |
| 08:53.24 | Charminthemoose | right,so i've got a usb netopia router.is the device used to access that somewhere in dmesg? |
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| 08:53.49 | wols_ | network over USB is always iffy. doubly so with 2.4 |
| 08:54.37 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Not seeing it in what you've posted. |
| 08:54.40 | jngu1 | plus |
| 08:54.51 | jngu1 | knoppix... probably using a 2.6 kernel. |
| 08:55.03 | Charminthemoose | eth0x[a]: register usbnet usb-00:1f.2-2, ASIX AX8817x USB 2.0 Ethernet i found this. |
| 08:55.07 | karsten | jimmie_: 2.4 kernel. |
| 08:55.09 | jngu1 | most new hardware still use old nework cards. |
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| 08:55.13 | karsten | jngu1: ^^ |
| 08:55.16 | jngu1 | *chipsets |
| 08:55.16 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: if you have a Netopia Cayman 3341 dual USB/Ethernet DSL router: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cayman3341/ |
| 08:55.22 | karsten | Charminthemoose: If you've got lsusb, run that. |
| 08:55.23 | wols_ | and 2.6 is mandatory for it. |
| 08:55.26 | liable | jesus christ, i have been sitting here wondering if my lasangha was ready, i get up to get it out the oven... and its stairing at me from the bench :( |
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| 08:55.38 | karsten | liable: ghosts? |
| 08:55.39 | liable | erm, staring.. |
| 08:55.52 | liable | karsten: no, that italian dish.. |
| 08:56.02 | wols_ | liable: living lasagna ? |
| 08:56.04 | karsten | liable: No, moving your food. |
| 08:56.18 | liable | no, brain fart? |
| 08:56.26 | wols_ | does it have little feet? does it have a mouth with sharp teeth now? |
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| 08:56.51 | karsten | wols_: You've heard about the new attack pasta that's coming out of GMO labs? |
| 08:56.56 | liable | no, but i am really hungrier |
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| 08:57.02 | karsten | wols_: They throw people against walls. |
| 08:57.10 | karsten | wols_: ... and if they stick, the pasta knows they're done. |
| 08:57.23 | Charminthemoose | dang,lsusb spits out everything that's somewhat useful |
| 08:57.25 | liable | ba boom |
| 08:57.29 | wols_ | <homer> mmmhmm.... attack pasta </homer> |
| 08:57.37 | Charminthemoose | i now know that my router is linksys |
| 08:57.51 | gallus | happy to see you again |
| 08:57.54 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: didn't you say something about a netopia router? |
| 08:58.03 | jngu1 | lol |
| 08:58.07 | liable | Charminthemoose: what does your linksys router have to do with kernel modules? |
| 08:58.07 | Charminthemoose | yeah,it's a netopia 3347NWG router |
| 08:58.17 | Charminthemoose | i don't know liable |
| 08:58.18 | karsten | wols_: could be rebranded. |
| 08:58.38 | jngu1 | its a usb router... never heard that before. |
| 08:58.54 | gallus | tarzeau: I have solved the problem with the wireless card |
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| 08:59.37 | liable | right, might as well bathe whilst waiting for said food to basque in the warmth of the oven |
| 08:59.59 | Charminthemoose | so i can't do a debian net install? |
| 09:00.11 | karsten | !tell Charminthemoose about chroot install |
| 09:00.26 | karsten | Charminthemoose: If you can get networking running with your current Knoppix boot, yes, you can. |
| 09:00.41 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: have you ever googled? |
| 09:00.47 | Charminthemoose | ok uh now that's the problem |
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| 09:01.05 | Charminthemoose | i want to install debian onto the partition i'm running my knoppix derivative |
| 09:01.06 | Charminthemoose | on |
| 09:01.20 | Charminthemoose | so,i can't exactly do that. |
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| 09:01.34 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Actually, you can, space permitting. |
| 09:01.53 | karsten | Alternatively, you can boot your Knoppix CD and install direct to disk. |
| 09:02.09 | Charminthemoose | another problem:my bios don't like booting from cd |
| 09:02.11 | Charminthemoose | PERIOD |
| 09:02.21 | karsten | Create a boot floppy. |
| 09:02.28 | karsten | And which model of 386 is this? ;-) |
| 09:02.47 | Charminthemoose | also a boot floppy doesn't work |
| 09:02.59 | Charminthemoose | and now recently,my cd drives have broken down. |
| 09:03.04 | Charminthemoose | i don't know why |
| 09:03.09 | karsten | Rough life. |
| 09:03.42 | enouf | see's the moving target - takes aim, but chooses not to fire - may hurt someone |
| 09:03.58 | karsten | enouf: Tell. |
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| 09:04.17 | liable | !rube goldberg install |
| 09:04.17 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 09:04.30 | karsten | Charminthemoose: You basically have three options: figure out how to boot that system, figure out where else you can install the HD while you install it, or spend some shillings on working kit. |
| 09:05.11 | karsten | liable: Feh. I've installed booting tom's root boot and using SLLIP serial networking. |
| 09:05.18 | karsten | SLIP. |
| 09:05.27 | liable | karsten: whatever.. :P |
| 09:05.41 | enouf | karsten: heheh yeah - basically liable hit the nail on the head |
| 09:05.44 | liable | karsten: but did you have a puch card reader? |
| 09:05.49 | wols_ | karsten: via winmodem for SLIP? |
| 09:05.54 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Once you've worked out which of those three options you want to pursue, there's generally a way to do it. Figure out what you can do, and do it. |
| 09:06.02 | enouf | with the rube goldberg thing |
| 09:06.14 | kristalino | after a deboot strap how do i have grub configured automaticaly ? |
| 09:06.18 | karsten | liable: It was on vacation in Florida with some guy named "Chad". |
| 09:06.29 | liable | i wanna know how you start knoppix without booting from cd |
| 09:06.32 | karsten | kristalino: manually. |
| 09:06.41 | liable | karsten: OK |
| 09:06.56 | karsten | liable: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Boot_Floppy_HowTo |
| 09:07.29 | karsten | Charminthemoose: How much free space do you have on that disk? If you've got a minimum of 150 MB free we can get you started. If not, find a way to improve your odds. |
| 09:08.16 | Charminthemoose | karsten i have about 2.blah GB free |
| 09:08.42 | kristalino | karsten, can you paste somewhere the default debian grub.conf file please (with any of the 2.6 kernels)? |
| 09:09.25 | liable | karsten: you also need to write it to mbr, which you need to do via grub shell |
| 09:09.33 | liable | kristalino: ^^ |
| 09:09.49 | karsten | kristalino: /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 09:09.53 | karsten | kristalino: Should be in there. |
| 09:10.47 | Charminthemoose | karsten,so is it possible for me to install debian? |
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| 09:11.11 | karsten | Charminthemoose: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/debian-gw_fw-packages |
| 09:11.33 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ... is a list of packages to install for a minimal working (firewall/gateway) system. Should fit w/in 150 MB. |
| 09:11.58 | karsten | Charminthemoose: You can do a chroot install into any subdirectory, though a partition is preferred. |
| 09:12.23 | karsten | Charminthemoose: What's your current partitioning? 'fdisk -l' and /msg dpkg paster for where to put that. |
| 09:12.36 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Answering your question: should be. |
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| 09:12.45 | karsten | Charminthemoose: However I'm going to be headed offline shortly. |
| 09:12.52 | Charminthemoose | kk |
| 09:13.19 | Charminthemoose | hda1:main windows partition hda2:linux partition and hda5:swap |
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| 09:13.29 | Charminthemoose | or would you like something more comprehensive? |
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| 09:13.35 | karsten | The docs in appendix 4 of the Debian Installation Manual are based on my own documents. |
| 09:13.44 | karsten | Charminthemoose: space available in hda2? |
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| 09:14.03 | karsten | Charminthemoose: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 09:14.05 | Charminthemoose | at this time:2.67 |
| 09:14.07 | Charminthemoose | GB |
| 09:14.16 | Charminthemoose | out of 4.58GB |
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| 09:14.28 | karsten | OK, plenty of space. |
| 09:14.39 | karsten | Note that 4.6 GB is pretty small for Debian these days. |
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| 09:15.02 | Charminthemoose | yeah,that's why i want to do a net inst.so i can get rid of bloiat |
| 09:15.05 | Charminthemoose | *bloat |
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| 09:15.14 | karsten | I'd like 10 GB minimum, and 60-100 GB to really have room to grow. |
| 09:15.18 | Charminthemoose | no kde/gnome for me! |
| 09:15.27 | karsten | Right. This will get you a minimal install. |
| 09:15.44 | karsten | You're booted into that system now? |
| 09:15.57 | karsten | And does it have functional networking? |
| 09:16.06 | Charminthemoose | hmm sorry? |
| 09:16.24 | karsten | What if any OS are you running right now, and do you have more than one system present? |
| 09:16.50 | Charminthemoose | i'm running DSLinux(50MB knoppix derivative) |
| 09:17.01 | Charminthemoose | on hda2 |
| 09:17.27 | karsten | That's the system you're IRCing from? |
| 09:17.30 | Charminthemoose | yeah |
| 09:18.04 | karsten | What I'm trying to establish is whether or not you've got networking, and/or whether or not you've got a fallback system from which you can web browse and/or rejoin this channel if things go south. |
| 09:18.44 | Charminthemoose | yeah i do. |
| 09:18.47 | Charminthemoose | windows. |
| 09:18.49 | Charminthemoose | :( |
| 09:18.54 | karsten | On the same machine. |
| 09:19.06 | Charminthemoose | yeah |
| 09:19.08 | karsten | So you can't surf and try stuff _while_ you're still connected. |
| 09:19.22 | karsten | OK, then you _don't_ have a second system, you've got an alternate boot option. |
| 09:19.35 | Charminthemoose | yeah,sorry |
| 09:19.46 | karsten | The way this works, you're going to do most of the work booted into your DSLinux system, then you get to try rebooting and all. |
| 09:20.29 | saboteur | does anyone have experience with building a scsi host driver downloaded from the adaptec site as a module (aic79xx)? i have the correct kernel-headers package installed for my kernel |
| 09:20.44 | Charminthemoose | right. |
| 09:20.50 | karsten | Read the docs. Your basic installation is: create an installation target directory, say: /debianinstall. Use debootstrap to install into that. chroot into it to configure the base system. |
| 09:21.33 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ... then you're going to need to move the remainder of your old system (all other top-level directories other than /debianinstall and /lost+found into, say, /dsllinux. |
| 09:21.44 | karsten | Then: 'cd /debianinstall; mv * ..' |
| 09:21.59 | karsten | Which moves everything out of debianinstall to your linux root directory. |
| 09:22.06 | Charminthemoose | yeah. |
| 09:22.09 | Charminthemoose | hmm,seems handy |
| 09:22.22 | karsten | At that point, check that GRUB is configured to boot the proper kernel and all. |
| 09:22.32 | Charminthemoose | ya |
| 09:22.56 | karsten | It would also be useful to note what modules and configurations you have under DSLinux. Got a printer handy? |
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| 09:23.19 | Charminthemoose | yeah |
| 09:23.32 | karsten | http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/system-info |
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| 09:24.07 | karsten | That's a shell script to extract a bunch of useful info. Dump it to a file, print the file, save it somewhere (off your HD if possible, publicly accessable on the Internet if possible). |
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| 09:25.09 | karsten | I'll show you sample output in a sec. |
| 09:25.47 | karsten | Incidentally, BelArc is a similar tool for 'Doze. |
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| 09:26.25 | Charminthemoose | maybe i'm being an idiot or something but |
| 09:26.34 | Charminthemoose | your script hangs on me |
| 09:26.44 | karsten | http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/system-info-ciderhouse |
| 09:26.45 | Charminthemoose | wait |
| 09:26.47 | Charminthemoose | nevermind |
| 09:26.49 | karsten | It takes a minute. |
| 09:27.04 | karsten | BTW, don't run scripts from strangers on the Internet ;-) |
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| 09:27.12 | Studiosus | hi,all |
| 09:27.15 | Charminthemoose | i went through it first |
| 09:27.20 | Charminthemoose | nothing looked bad. |
| 09:27.23 | Charminthemoose | :) |
| 09:27.24 | karsten | That said, if you look at that, it's pretty much a here document. Yeah. |
| 09:27.54 | Studiosus | after recent dist-upgrade after boot time my lo iface isn't up, but eth0 is up. how it can be? i didn't change my interfaces(5) file |
| 09:28.27 | karsten | Studiosus: Got the lines "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 09:28.38 | karsten | Studiosus: If not, add them. If you do: ifdown lo; ifup lo. |
| 09:29.16 | Studiosus | yes, of course, i got. but before, lo would go automatically, not manually |
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| 09:29.37 | karsten | Studiosus: How many reboots have you done? ifupdown occasionally gets confused. |
| 09:30.02 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Incidentally, it's the hdparm runs that are the major time component of that script. |
| 09:30.07 | Studiosus | in what period of time? i do reboots quite often :) |
| 09:30.09 | Charminthemoose | ah |
| 09:30.21 | Studiosus | !paste |
| 09:30.21 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 09:31.19 | karsten | Charminthemoose: So, you've got a bunch of info, usually runs to ~40 pages printed. Um. 95 here. Oh yeah, that's with 'hwinfo'. Also 'dmidecode' which can be useful, should add that. |
| 09:31.54 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Most of which God willing you'll never need to know, but if you _do_ need to refer to something you've got a tidy reference with gobs of stuff. |
| 09:32.02 | Charminthemoose | cool |
| 09:32.07 | Charminthemoose | this was done running X |
| 09:32.09 | karsten | Charminthemoose: a backup of /etc would also be a good thing. |
| 09:32.14 | karsten | ? |
| 09:32.15 | Charminthemoose | hope that won't effect it.. |
| 09:32.18 | karsten | Nope. |
| 09:32.23 | Charminthemoose | cool |
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| 09:32.30 | Charminthemoose | backup of /etc say you? |
| 09:32.35 | kristalino | karsten, yeap, thanks |
| 09:32.38 | karsten | It's mostly snarfing a bunch of information out of /proc and some utilities. |
| 09:32.40 | karsten | kristalino: ?? |
| 09:32.43 | Studiosus | my interfaces and output from network restart is in http://channels.debian.net/paste/3677. please, take a look |
| 09:33.06 | kristalino | "karsten kristalino: /msg dpkg chroot install, Should be in there." |
| 09:33.09 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Yeah, that's where your system configurations are, along with a bunch of other crud. Likely your ISP mail / authentication information, networking, etc. |
| 09:33.11 | aarchie | I'm having trouble getting jabber-msn working on a sarge server. The transport seems to work but adding contacts only works one way. invites can't go out through the transport, only in. can anyone suggest anything for me to try? |
| 09:33.13 | karsten | kristalino: Ah. |
| 09:33.16 | kristalino | :) |
| 09:33.27 | karsten | kristalino: low-capacity short-term memory buffer ;-) |
| 09:33.50 | kristalino | karsten, and long lag and slow internet for me ;) |
| 09:33.50 | Charminthemoose | karsten:YOu know that page you gave me of those utils?SHould they be installed by now? |
| 09:33.52 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Again: good stuff to ensure you've got squirreled away. |
| 09:34.04 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ?? The list of Debian packages? |
| 09:34.12 | karsten | kristalino: Been there, done that. |
| 09:34.35 | karsten | Charminthemoose: after you do your debootstrap install, for doing additional package installations, you'll use that list. |
| 09:34.44 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Save it to a file, say, "karsten-packages" |
| 09:35.04 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ... then: dpkg --get-selections < karsten-packages; apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 09:35.45 | Studiosus | sorry, folks, to interrupt you, but what about my little problem with lo? :) |
| 09:35.52 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Should install a good small base set of Debian packages, totaling less than 150 MB. Some of that may be a bit old, so if you see some packages not found or others added, that's to be expeced. |
| 09:36.01 | karsten | Studiosus: What I said. Are you seeing this frequently? |
| 09:36.19 | karsten | Studiosus: You might want to boot single-user and step through your sysvinit process to see why it's not coming up. |
| 09:36.19 | Studiosus | every reboot after last dist-upgrade. |
| 09:36.27 | karsten | Studiosus: OK, that was missing data. |
| 09:36.41 | karsten | Studiosus: Comes up fine if you do an "ifup lo" manually? |
| 09:36.52 | aarchie | does anyone have the official sarge jabber-msn package working? |
| 09:37.11 | karsten | !tell aarchie about polls |
| 09:37.24 | karsten | aarchie: might want to get support from a Jabber-specific source. |
| 09:37.46 | Studiosus | No, it says 'ifup: interface lo already configured' |
| 09:38.04 | karsten | Studiosus: Hrm. ifupdown saves state somewhere. Should be cleared on reboot. |
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| 09:38.50 | aarchie | karsten: i was just hoping to find an example of someone using it successfully. it looks to me as if the package hasn't been updated in a while. if I could find an example at least i'd know it's possible. |
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| 09:40.10 | aarchie | karsten: all the jabber specific resources talk about much newer software than the code in sarge. |
| 09:40.15 | Charminthemoose | does debootstrap require dependancies on the host machine to be filled? |
| 09:40.49 | karsten | aarchie: Oh well. |
| 09:40.56 | karsten | Charminthemoose: No. It's self-contained. |
| 09:41.09 | Charminthemoose | phew |
| 09:41.22 | karsten | Studiosus: /etc/rcS.d/S18ifupdown-clean |
| 09:41.28 | karsten | Studiosus: ...should be cleaning that out for you |
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| 09:41.58 | karsten | Studiosus: /etc/network/run/ifstat |
| 09:42.00 | karsten | Studiosus: /etc/network/run/ifstate |
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| 09:42.34 | Charminthemoose | karsten:could you go over the basic install process again? |
| 09:42.41 | aarchie | karsten: I know. It's a bit frustrating. I think I'm very close. It seems to work apart from that I can't add new contacts through the transport although they can add me. |
| 09:42.46 | karsten | Studiosus: That's supposed to get removed at boot, and apparently isn't. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to figure out why. |
| 09:43.14 | kristalino | what is the channel for debian and booting ? |
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| 09:43.41 | Studiosus | thx, but i think problem is in another place... :( when I manually delete state info from /etc/network/run/ifstate and do ifup lo, then lo is up, ok :) but when I delete that file and do /etc/init.d/networking restart than eth0 is up and lo isn't. Maybe, it's because of error during network restart which appears in output of networking script? |
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| 09:44.29 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Sec. |
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| 09:46.07 | Charminthemoose | kk |
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| 09:47.04 | kristalino | in a chroot after a debootstrap, i get : /usr/sbin/mkinitrdL Cannot determine root device. Failed to create initrd image." Any help ? |
| 09:47.07 | enouf | completely at 180degrees to what they profess.. see http://www.popchapel.com/Resources/Bahnsen/GreatDebate/ |
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| 09:47.19 | ThomasPorter | Hi, all my users can view any file on the server.. how can I make them stay in their home dir? Because I'm running a web server it means a PHP script can give the entire world access to every file on my server.. |
| 09:47.57 | Charminthemoose | uh oh |
| 09:48.04 | Charminthemoose | pre-dependacy problems |
| 09:48.38 | ThomasPorter | ?? |
| 09:48.40 | blondie | ThomasPorter: what, is your web server running as root? |
| 09:49.03 | ThomasPorter | blondie, I have no idea, how can I find out? |
| 09:49.10 | blondie | if it's apache, it won't be |
| 09:49.17 | Charminthemoose | i3d: Base system installed successfully. |
| 09:49.17 | Charminthemoose | umount: /debianinstall/dev/pts: not mounted |
| 09:49.17 | Charminthemoose | umount: /debianinstall/dev/shm: not mounted |
| 09:49.17 | Charminthemoose | umount: /debianinstall/proc/bus/usb: not mounted |
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| 09:49.20 | blondie | either that, or you have silly permissions |
| 09:49.22 | karsten | Charminthemoose: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Charminthemoose |
| 09:49.28 | karsten | Feh |
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| 09:49.29 | ThomasPorter | blondie, I don' think it is then, its apache.. isn't it 'nobody' user or something? |
| 09:49.36 | blondie | ThomasPorter: no, www-user |
| 09:49.44 | blondie | erm |
| 09:49.45 | blondie | www-data |
| 09:49.58 | ThomasPorter | blondie, so would changing permissions for www-data fix my problem? |
| 09:49.58 | karsten | blondie: there's the ticket. |
| 09:50.00 | blondie | ThomasPorter: of course by default debian has stupid permission on home directories |
| 09:50.09 | ThomasPorter | blondie, indeed it does |
| 09:50.15 | blondie | (it makes them world readable) |
| 09:50.34 | ThomasPorter | blondie, and I hate it. Everyone can view eveyones everything! |
| 09:50.38 | karsten | blondie: In fairness, you're asked at install. |
| 09:50.41 | robin_sz | ThomasPorter, you mis-understand the problem ... so the web server can only see files that that www-data can see. just make any files you dont want to be seen by www-data, only readable by their owners |
| 09:50.49 | blondie | karsten: not in etch |
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| 09:50.55 | karsten | blondie: ?! |
| 09:51.04 | blondie | it doesnt ask you, it sets them 755 |
| 09:51.14 | blondie | ThomasPorter: fix it then |
| 09:51.30 | karsten | erm. "retch" |
| 09:51.41 | ThomasPorter | robin_sz, would that mean changing the permissions of every file on the server? |
| 09:51.44 | blondie | change DIR_MODE in /etc/adduser.conf |
| 09:51.52 | robin_sz | ThomasPorter, eh? |
| 09:51.58 | blondie | ThomasPorter: then chmod 0700 /home/* |
| 09:52.22 | ThomasPorter | blondie, ok |
| 09:52.23 | blondie | (I don't like the one-group-per-user thing either) |
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| 09:52.48 | loxley_ | ThomasPorter: you can set php to just accept a special path |
| 09:52.54 | blondie | grrr I hate it when my computer beeps, and I dunno why :( |
| 09:53.09 | robin_sz | ThomasPorter, like what? stuff in /etc/ ? if its user readbale, then setting php path restrictions wont help |
| 09:53.21 | karsten | blondie: like beep beep beep beeeeeep |
| 09:53.23 | robin_sz | ThomasPorter, they could just copy it and make apger from it |
| 09:53.27 | robin_sz | page |
| 09:53.46 | ThomasPorter | robin_sz, for example my file manager can view every file on the servers.. its just a php sccript |
| 09:53.54 | ThomasPorter | I'll do what blondie said hold on |
| 09:53.55 | robin_sz | no it can |
| 09:53.58 | robin_sz | cant |
| 09:54.08 | blondie | ThomasPorter: is it running as root then? can it read /etc/shadow? |
| 09:54.17 | robin_sz | exactly |
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| 09:54.52 | ThomasPorter | blondie: Change dir_mode to 0700? |
| 09:55.07 | blondie | in /etc/adduser.conf |
| 09:55.10 | ThomasPorter | blondie, i'll check. |
| 09:55.14 | blondie | so new users dont get world-readable directories |
| 09:55.38 | blondie | if they want to have webpages, they need to chmod o+x ~ |
| 09:55.50 | robin_sz | the scritp CANNOT read every file onthe server, it can ONLY read files a normal user could .. therefore its no more dangerous than letting other users onto your system |
| 09:56.02 | robin_sz | ALL secret data should be only readable by root |
| 09:56.06 | robin_sz | or its owner |
| 09:56.14 | ThomasPorter | blondie, ugh all my users need to have webpages |
| 09:56.52 | robin_sz | have a script set their ~/public_html firs to 755 then |
| 09:56.52 | ThomasPorter | o+x ~ what number is that? |
| 09:57.01 | blondie | 0701 |
| 09:57.13 | robin_sz | wrong! |
| 09:57.22 | ThomasPorter | blondie, ah so even though /home/* can be 700 I can make public_html something different so it works? |
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| 09:57.30 | blondie | robin_sz: wrong to you too |
| 09:57.36 | blondie | ThomasPorter: no |
| 09:57.52 | blondie | robin_sz: they dont need read permission |
| 09:57.54 | ThomasPorter | blondie, dam. It was a nice thougth anyway. |
| 09:57.55 | robin_sz | o+x is NOT 701 it sets the x bit on the owner field ... |
| 09:58.06 | blondie | robin_sz: no really? |
| 09:58.09 | Studiosus | so, what can be reason for error 'SIOCADDRT: File exists' during ifup eth0? I did peek into strace log of command and saw following: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3678. But reason is beyond me for now :( |
| 09:58.12 | dimir | robin_sz: on others |
| 09:58.18 | blondie | robin_sz: actually WRONG |
| 09:58.20 | blondie | o = others |
| 09:58.23 | blondie | u = owner |
| 09:58.23 | Charminthemoose | karsten:how do i use your karsten-packages? |
| 09:58.28 | robin_sz | oppsie |
| 09:58.30 | robin_sz | yes |
| 09:58.39 | robin_sz | anyway syill NOT 701 |
| 09:58.48 | karsten | Charminthemoose: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Charminthemoose |
| 09:58.51 | blondie | 701 is rwx-----x |
| 09:59.01 | blondie | and that's what you need for webpages |
| 09:59.09 | robin_sz | if it was 444 before it would NOT be 701 afterwards it would be 445 |
| 09:59.11 | karsten | Charminthemoose: dpkg --get-selections < karsten-packages; apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 09:59.13 | Charminthemoose | karsten,can i have access? |
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| 09:59.29 | blondie | robin_sz: but it wouldn't be 444, because I told him to set to 700 before. |
| 09:59.32 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Wups ;-) Done |
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| 09:59.44 | robin_sz | ThomasPorter o+x ~ what number is that? |
| 09:59.44 | robin_sz | blondie 0701 |
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| 09:59.55 | ThomasPorter | blondie, yep changing the permissions to 701 helped heaps.. it stopped anything in /home from being read from PHP scripts.. how can i make it not viewable aswell? It shows all the dir names.. |
| 10:00.01 | blondie | robin_sz: theres no difference between 701 and 0701 |
| 10:00.05 | karsten | Charminthemoose: dselect --get-selections reads a file of that format (generate w/ dpkg --get-selections > file) to set packages to install / remove. |
| 10:00.18 | robin_sz | sigh |
| 10:00.25 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Might also check for what's marked 'uninstall' or 'purge' |
| 10:00.38 | blondie | robin_sz: dont you sigh at me! |
| 10:00.48 | dbms | something happened and my mouse devices are all gone.. (Debian unstable). does this have something to do with the notice I saw when upgrading sysvinit ? |
| 10:00.57 | blondie | it fills in the missing numbers (to the left) as 0 |
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| 10:01.03 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Mostly kernel pcmcia packages, not a biggie |
| 10:01.15 | karsten | dbms: modprobe usbcore mousedev |
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| 10:01.22 | blondie | ThomasPorter: what names? |
| 10:01.48 | ThomasPorter | blondie, it shows the directory names of other users.. can I be fussy and stop this? |
| 10:02.05 | blondie | ThomasPorter: probably not wise to do that |
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| 10:02.40 | dbms | karsten: humm, still no /dev/mouse or /dev/psaux (it's a touchpad i actually have, but xorg is configured to use /dev/psaux) |
| 10:02.45 | ThomasPorter | blondie, this php script can view my httpd.conf |
| 10:02.50 | Charminthemoose | ead: Opening /etc/apt/sources.list - ifstream::ifstream (2 No such file or directory)E: The list of sources could not be read. |
| 10:02.59 | blondie | ThomasPorter: that's normal |
| 10:03.01 | karsten | dbms: Hrm. |
| 10:03.05 | karsten | dbms: modprobe psaux |
| 10:03.11 | ThomasPorter | blondie, that can't be a good thing.. |
| 10:03.22 | ThomasPorter | blondie, now that I think about it.. its no real harm is it? |
| 10:03.33 | blondie | correct |
| 10:03.39 | Charminthemoose | i get that when i try to run dpkg --get-selection < karstenpackages | apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 10:03.56 | karsten | Charminthemoose: That's well into the install process. Not yet. |
| 10:04.18 | Charminthemoose | so what now? |
| 10:05.01 | ThomasPorter | blondie, thanks for your help. :) |
| 10:05.07 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ... unless you've already done the debootstrap part? |
| 10:05.19 | Charminthemoose | yeah and i'm chrooted into it |
| 10:05.23 | fzn | i want to use pysbnc.Which pysbnc company is the best? which one do you suggest? |
| 10:06.07 | karsten | Charminthemoose: OK. |
| 10:06.17 | karsten | Charminthemoose: You need to set up your apt sources. |
| 10:06.32 | Charminthemoose | copy my existing apt sources? |
| 10:06.34 | dbms | karsten: no such module.. |
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| 10:07.37 | Charminthemoose | karsten:Do i copy my existing /etc/apt/sources.list sources to /debianinstall/etc/apt? |
| 10:07.52 | karsten | Charminthemoose: One sec. |
| 10:08.02 | Charminthemoose | kk |
| 10:08.18 | Zaib | guys i have debian kernel 2.6.17 i patched with kernel with bootsplash-patch via apt-get linux-patch-bootsplash , and recompile kernel .. and make bootsplash work under my distro ... but i cant make the progress bar can neone help me ? |
| 10:09.02 | karsten | Charminthemoose: *not* the DSLinux sources. |
| 10:09.05 | ThomasPorter | blondie, would it be un-wise to chmod 0700 / |
| 10:09.12 | blondie | yes! |
| 10:09.20 | Charminthemoose | oh right.um what sources do you recommend? |
| 10:09.26 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Sorry, dropping connections here between home and IRC host. |
| 10:09.29 | ThomasPorter | blondie, okay :P I knew it was a stupid question :P |
| 10:09.32 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Debian ones ;-) |
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| 10:09.41 | Charminthemoose | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 10:09.45 | Charminthemoose | is from my sources.list |
| 10:10.04 | ThomasPorter | blondie, I found a server hacking script on the net, just trying to secure my server against this script.. its called 'C99Shell.php'... worth a look. |
| 10:10.06 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Yeah, that's good. |
| 10:10.12 | Charminthemoose | and apt.conf |
| 10:10.18 | Charminthemoose | could i copy that? |
| 10:10.20 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Wasn't sure where debootstrap is in setting that up. |
| 10:10.31 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Um. It's already *in* your Debian system, right? |
| 10:10.41 | Charminthemoose | no it seems |
| 10:10.45 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Recardless, that should be /debiantarget/etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:10.49 | karsten | regardless. |
| 10:10.54 | Charminthemoose | cool |
| 10:11.02 | karsten | Or, w/in the chroot: 'apt-setup' |
| 10:11.29 | karsten | ... which walks you through it, holds your hand, and gives you an ice cream cone. |
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| 10:13.04 | dbms | humm, karsten, mousedev and usbcore ane not to be found in lsmod .. can i possibly reinstall the packages that include them? i can't find which are these packages |
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| 10:13.20 | karsten | dbms: kernel ;-) |
| 10:13.37 | karsten | dbms: What's your kernel version & debian release BTW? |
| 10:14.02 | dbms | 2.6.16, debian unstable |
| 10:14.10 | karsten | OK. Should be there. |
| 10:14.33 | karsten | What's dmesg say after 'modprobe mousdev usbcore psaux' ? |
| 10:14.43 | karsten | at least *one* of those should load. |
| 10:14.54 | Charminthemoose | apt-setup fails to download |
| 10:14.55 | karsten | also: lsmod | egrep '(mouse|usb|psaux)' |
| 10:14.57 | Charminthemoose | anything |
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| 10:15.15 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Interesting. You're on that box now, right? |
| 10:15.33 | Charminthemoose | chrooted debootstraped one,yeah |
| 10:15.46 | karsten | Charminthemoose: From *outside* the chroot: cat /etc/resolv.conf > /debiantarget/etc/resolve.conf |
| 10:15.54 | dbms | just usbcore: registered new driver usb and hub |
| 10:16.00 | karsten | dbms: Mouse? |
| 10:16.11 | karsten | dbms: Perhaps insufficient cheese? |
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| 10:16.21 | dbms | mouse is not even mentioned in the dmesg :) |
| 10:16.26 | Guerin | itym psmouse |
| 10:16.35 | karsten | Guerin: PMSmouse? |
| 10:16.44 | Charminthemoose | permission denied even as sudo |
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| 10:16.51 | dbms | maybe i shoud apt-get remove cat :> |
| 10:17.10 | Guerin | Charminthemoose: don't use sudo |
| 10:17.12 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Check if there's a symlink there, remove any /etc/resolve.conf *INSIDE* the chroot. |
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| 10:17.37 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Basically: your chrootded apt can't resolve anything because it can't find a nameserver. |
| 10:17.45 | Guerin | Charminthemoose: because sudo doesn't work with redirections like > |
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| 10:17.48 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ... and I've seen various weird bits happen with this. |
| 10:17.53 | Guerin | resolv.conf |
| 10:17.53 | Guerin | jeeze |
| 10:18.12 | karsten | Guerin: Thanks, and I corrected two typos typing that line ;-) |
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| 10:18.19 | karsten | !beer Guerin |
| 10:18.23 | karsten | Guerin: That's not a reward. |
| 10:18.29 | karsten | Guerin: ... that's to slow you down to my speed. |
| 10:18.38 | Guerin | fnarr |
| 10:18.46 | Guerin | karsten: it so i |
| 10:18.46 | Guerin | s |
| 10:18.53 | karsten | ;-) |
| 10:18.55 | karsten | Working already. |
| 10:19.11 | dbms | given the fact that i got the problem with the mouse after i shut down my computer yesterday, what could it be? the kernel, init scripts or maybe something else? |
| 10:19.33 | karsten | Charminthemoose: 'resolv.conf' as Guerin noted. |
| 10:19.51 | karsten | dbms: gremlins or mouseketeers. |
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| 10:22.12 | dbms | humm, just noticed.. /dev/dsp is also gone.. so i suppose all the relevant devices took a day off.. |
| 10:22.41 | cahoot | it *is* synday after all |
| 10:22.44 | karsten | dbms: udev |
| 10:22.59 | karsten | cahoot: synday? |
| 10:23.22 | dbms | yeah.. like syn and ack :) |
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| 10:24.04 | karsten | So when's finday? |
| 10:25.00 | Charminthemoose | cp: `/etc/resolv.conf' and `/debianinstall/etc/resolv.conf' are the same file |
| 10:25.05 | Charminthemoose | why god why? |
| 10:25.23 | karsten | Charminthemoose: symlink |
| 10:25.31 | Studiosus | Debian reference, in section "Customizing runlevels", states that sequence number of service should be 'the sequence number that was assigned to the service when the package was installed'. Where can I see that number? |
| 10:25.34 | karsten | Charminthemoose: delete the one in the chroot |
| 10:27.30 | dbms | karsten: thanks for the udev keyword.. there seems to be some progress |
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| 10:28.20 | Charminthemoose | cat: debianinstall/etc/resolv.conf no such file or direcory |
| 10:28.23 | Charminthemoose | *directory |
| 10:28.49 | karsten | dbms: udev is the source of all evil these days |
| 10:28.54 | Charminthemoose | god i'm failing meserable |
| 10:28.59 | Charminthemoose | e |
| 10:29.02 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Inside the chroot. |
| 10:29.19 | Charminthemoose | i thought you said outside? |
| 10:29.21 | karsten | Charminthemoose: There should be something at etc/resolv.conf. "ls -l" will show you what it is. |
| 10:29.24 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Both. |
| 10:29.31 | karsten | Charminthemoose: The one you need to get rid of is inside. |
| 10:30.01 | karsten | Charminthemoose: The problem is that the file inside is a symbolic link to the file outside. And this is a problem because a chroot prevents the symlink from resolving. |
| 10:30.18 | karsten | Charminthemoose: The other problem is why the hell this is created in the first plac,e but that's another story. |
| 10:30.26 | dbms | karsten: yeah, like the topic suggests, there was some new release, i remember about the last release, udev was broken too |
| 10:30.51 | karsten | dbms: The good news is that udev solves all of yesterday's problems. |
| 10:31.03 | karsten | dbms: ... the bad news is that it creates all of toomorrow's. |
| 10:31.04 | dbms | the only thing is.. why the init.d script wasn't executed when the system was booted |
| 10:31.30 | Charminthemoose | this is now getting at my nerves/ |
| 10:31.46 | karsten | Charminthemoose: This is a good sign. You're making progress. |
| 10:31.48 | Charminthemoose | do i just create /etc/dhcpc in my chroot? |
| 10:32.00 | karsten | Um. Wait. Why? |
| 10:32.01 | Charminthemoose | and smash resolv.conf in there? |
| 10:32.09 | Charminthemoose | 'cos it's not there. |
| 10:32.14 | karsten | No. |
| 10:32.25 | Charminthemoose | oh |
| 10:33.01 | karsten | This stuff will work correctly down odwn the road. it's sort of an "artifact of the chroot / debootstrap process" you're dealing with. |
| 10:33.29 | Charminthemoose | yeah.so any ideas for what i can do? |
| 10:33.35 | karsten | Delete resolv.conf within the chroot. Copy the resolv.conf from outside the chroot to the chroot. You need a real file rather than a symlink. |
| 10:33.44 | karsten | I've told you that three times, three ways. Just do it. |
| 10:34.26 | nekostar | eh |
| 10:34.30 | nekostar | if i may interject |
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| 10:34.40 | nekostar | sudo rm /debianinstall/etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:34.46 | nekostar | :D |
| 10:34.53 | karsten | nekostar: been there done that. |
| 10:34.59 | nekostar | yes yes |
| 10:35.04 | nekostar | but then its actually deleted |
| 10:35.33 | nekostar | omg dude |
| 10:35.41 | nekostar | its just nameservers in there |
| 10:35.46 | nekostar | just nano it for chrissakes |
| 10:36.01 | karsten | nekostar: apt can't resolve w/ the symlink there. Feh. |
| 10:36.50 | Charminthemoose | karsten,thank you alot for your time and patience |
| 10:37.03 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Got it? |
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| 10:37.18 | Charminthemoose | yeah |
| 10:37.40 | karsten | OK. |
| 10:37.45 | karsten | apt-setup running? |
| 10:37.47 | Charminthemoose | now i'm just adding my sources.list |
| 10:37.52 | karsten | Right. |
| 10:38.13 | Charminthemoose | i'm downloding most outta testing,is this ok? |
| 10:38.20 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 10:38.27 | Charminthemoose | cool |
| 10:38.34 | karsten | Testing's good. A little iffy sometimes, but what I run. |
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| 10:39.30 | Charminthemoose | excellent |
| 10:39.45 | Charminthemoose | now time to attempt to install those packages in karsten-packages. |
| 10:40.48 | karsten | OK |
| 10:41.28 | Charminthemoose | btw karsten,a bunch of predependacy errors came up while i was debootstrappig |
| 10:41.34 | Charminthemoose | is that normal? |
| 10:42.04 | karsten | Dunno. If nothing's smoking, no worries. |
| 10:42.12 | Charminthemoose | cool |
| 10:42.13 | Charminthemoose | :) |
| 10:42.21 | karsten | Debian's pretty recoverable. |
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| 10:45.30 | nvz | Charminthemoose: mixing sources isnt good causes unnessicary breakage |
| 10:45.46 | karsten | nvz: Point. |
| 10:46.01 | Charminthemoose | uh oh |
| 10:46.09 | karsten | Charminthemoose: If you've got both testing and stable in your sources, you're pretty much going to have a testing system. |
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| 10:46.23 | nvz | I wasnt following the whole conversation just turned on the monitor and seen the word _most_ being used with testing sources |
| 10:46.25 | karsten | Charminthemoose: No harm done, the dependencies will pretty much ensure that for you. |
| 10:46.33 | karsten | nvz: Good catch. |
| 10:46.58 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Just that downgrading isn't a trivial process if you decide you don't like it out on the bleeding edge. |
| 10:47.01 | nvz | you'd really want to do a dist-upgrade and use testing apt wont willingly pull packages from an older source |
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| 10:47.03 | Charminthemoose | i just saw something to the equivalent of:no auto iface in /etc/networks and no auto lo in /etc networks |
| 10:47.14 | Charminthemoose | it went by too quickly |
| 10:47.22 | karsten | Charminthemoose: We can fix that manually. |
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| 10:47.38 | Charminthemoose | hopefully.... |
| 10:47.41 | nvz | there is no, "no auto" its either auto or its not :P |
| 10:47.48 | nvz | just dont put an auto line in there |
| 10:47.54 | karsten | nvz: Right. |
| 10:48.32 | karsten | nvz: Not sure what's configured by default. I think ifupdown doesn't set stuff up, that's the installer's job, one of the manual steps in a chroot install. |
| 10:48.40 | Charminthemoose | right.I think i need a kernel to start this beast up...... |
| 10:48.54 | karsten | Charminthemoose: There is a template interfaces file under /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/ which you can copy and modify. |
| 10:48.54 | Charminthemoose | maybe.... |
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| 10:48.58 | nvz | I upgraded one of my two running boxes to etch, the one in the living room I use most.. mostly just because I am tired of finding bugs in sarge that wont ever be fixed so I figure I might as well be finding bugs in etch since its not too late yet |
| 10:49.03 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Recent 2.6.17 would be good. |
| 10:49.44 | karsten | Charminthemoose: The tricky part is going to be getting grub configured properly. That's the only moderately ticky bit. Since you can't boot from Cd, you'll be stuck booting within Windows to fix that if needs be. Still possible, but a pain. |
| 10:50.15 | nvz | o.O |
| 10:50.26 | nvz | what are we doing here debootstrapping or something? |
| 10:51.10 | Charminthemoose | imo i'd like to use a 2.4 kernel. |
| 10:51.26 | karsten | nvz: You have to ask? |
| 10:51.31 | Charminthemoose | my comp is quite old |
| 10:51.33 | nvz | nothing wrong with that really, if you dont want to use udev or anything |
| 10:51.36 | karsten | Charminthemoose: IMO you'd like to use a 2.6 kernel. |
| 10:51.47 | Charminthemoose | it's about 6 years old now |
| 10:51.49 | Charminthemoose | lol |
| 10:51.56 | nvz | though a newer kernel doesnt loose its legacy compatability |
| 10:52.13 | nvz | just gains better support for older hardware and new hardware and software |
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| 10:52.19 | tarzeau | how can i get rid of wnpp itp/rfp requests? |
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| 10:52.27 | Charminthemoose | indeed... |
| 10:52.36 | nvz | I got an HP Vectra PentiumMMX machine here that I run 2.6 on |
| 10:52.47 | nvz | of course its just sitting in the corner right now cause I got the hd in here |
| 10:53.00 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Likely to get better USB support w/ a 2.6 kernel. You can install both if you want. The DSL configs are appropriate for a 2.4 kernel. |
| 10:53.15 | Charminthemoose | yeah,they are... |
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| 10:53.24 | Charminthemoose | i suppose i'll give the 2.6 a shot |
| 10:53.27 | karsten | nvz: Linux has *always* had *really* good doorstop support. |
| 10:53.31 | tarzeau | hmmm http://amikit.amiga.sk/ |
| 10:53.37 | nvz | I figure there is no point using that when I have my cousins machine here that is an Athlon Slot A 800mhz with 128mb ram.. considerably faster than the Vectra which is like 233mhz with like 70mb ram |
| 10:53.46 | tarzeau | karsten: more or less, but there several better ones |
| 10:53.53 | karsten | tarzeau: Heh. |
| 10:53.53 | nvz | karsten: doorstop ? :P |
| 10:53.55 | Studiosus | where I can see messages from boot that not in dmesg? |
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| 10:54.03 | tarzeau | Studiosus: /var/log/dmesg* |
| 10:54.12 | karsten | Studiosus: /var/log/boot ? |
| 10:54.15 | Charminthemoose | so um,where do i go from here?pop a kernel and go? |
| 10:54.22 | karsten | Studiosus: There's some sort of bootlogger thing. |
| 10:54.41 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Kernel. Make sure hostname, /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/fstab are set up right. |
| 10:54.45 | CrazyK | hi, how can I figure out which kernel-mod is used for my eth0-device? thx for help |
| 10:54.59 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ... and configure GRUB. |
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| 10:55.08 | nvz | Charminthemoose: figure out what chipset your ethernet card has first.. assuming its on a pci bus you could lspci |
| 10:55.09 | Charminthemoose | oh yes,the grub confiuring.... |
| 10:55.17 | nvz | CrazyK: figure out what chipset your ethernet card has first.. assuming its on a pci bus you could lspci |
| 10:55.31 | nvz | damn intelligent tab-completion with stupid users doesnt work |
| 10:55.34 | nvz | heh |
| 10:56.01 | ThomasPorter | This is definatally an #apache question.. but everyones idle... |
| 10:56.02 | ThomasPorter | Would apache mind if I set the chmod of apache2.conf to 0700 and or /etc/apache2? |
| 10:56.03 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Take a look at the install docs. They cover most of this. |
| 10:56.07 | nvz | sometimes I wish it didnt keep track of who I was talking to, but when you are talking to the same person a lot it helps |
| 10:56.25 | karsten | Charminthemoose: keyboard, networking, resolv.conf, locales, kernel, bootloader. |
| 10:56.49 | karsten | nvz: Heh. |
| 10:56.53 | CrazyK | it says: Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13) but not which *.ko file is used |
| 10:56.54 | nvz | ThomasPorter: that depends who owns it? |
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| 10:57.07 | cahoot | CrazyEddy: try dmesg|grep eth |
| 10:57.13 | nvz | CrazyK: no crap. knowing what it is comes first |
| 10:57.23 | karsten | CrazyK: http://www.google.com/search?q=88E8001+linux&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 10:57.29 | Studiosus | i'm interested in seeing output of init.d scripts. is there any log? |
| 10:57.47 | pstickne | dmesg? |
| 10:58.17 | cahoot | Studiosus: might enable bootlogd |
| 10:59.10 | liable | Studiosus: why? make whatever script you want to look at 'set -x' |
| 10:59.35 | liable | Studiosus: they exit without output generally unless theres an error |
| 10:59.44 | petemc | CrazyK: ethtool -i eth0 |
| 10:59.56 | liable | well, significant output anyway.. |
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| 11:00.21 | CrazyK | it says: driver: forcedeth |
| 11:00.22 | CrazyK | version: 0.54 |
| 11:00.22 | CrazyK | firmware-version: |
| 11:00.22 | CrazyK | bus-info: 0000:00:04.0 |
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| 11:00.26 | karsten | vi /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 11:00.35 | karsten | Studiosus: ^^ the mod is obvious. |
| 11:00.38 | Charminthemoose | should i use base-config while i'm still chrooted? |
| 11:00.48 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Prolly, one sec. |
| 11:01.47 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Yes. |
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| 11:03.55 | Charminthemoose | right base confgured |
| 11:03.56 | Charminthemoose | woot |
| 11:04.00 | karsten | Cool. |
| 11:04.27 | Charminthemoose | i gotta compilify the 2.6 kernel right? |
| 11:04.34 | karsten | ?? |
| 11:04.37 | karsten | compilify? |
| 11:04.40 | Charminthemoose | compile |
| 11:04.45 | karsten | No, just install. |
| 11:04.56 | Charminthemoose | where can i go about getting it? |
| 11:05.01 | karsten | Do yourself a favor, install 'sash' if it isn't slready. |
| 11:05.09 | karsten | s/slready/already/ |
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| 11:05.27 | karsten | sash == stand alone shell and may come in handy when we move your directories around. |
| 11:05.51 | Charminthemoose | cool thanks buddy |
| 11:06.14 | karsten | NP. |
| 11:06.33 | karsten | You're going to get into interesting waters when that happens. I'm trying to avoid a non-usable reboot. |
| 11:07.02 | Charminthemoose | heh i can see where you coming from. |
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| 11:07.20 | karsten | Most of your $PATH will be somewhat useless. |
| 11:07.22 | Charminthemoose | booting grub.WHAT!where's menu.lst?ahhhh*grub panics* |
| 11:07.27 | karsten | sash gets us through that. |
| 11:07.38 | Charminthemoose | cool |
| 11:08.03 | karsten | It's got a bunch of builtins, just need to verify which. |
| 11:08.10 | Charminthemoose | cool |
| 11:08.36 | Charminthemoose | um,i'm an idiot at this so where in the name of all fluffy things is a 2.6 kernel for debian? |
| 11:08.41 | karsten | "Advantage: easy to remember" |
| 11:08.50 | karsten | "Disadvantage: easy to remember" |
| 11:08.56 | Charminthemoose | lol |
| 11:09.03 | karsten | I think it's "linux-image" not "kernel-image", docs need update. |
| 11:09.26 | karsten | What's your CPU? |
| 11:09.35 | karsten | P, PII, PIII ? |
| 11:09.43 | Charminthemoose | PIII |
| 11:10.05 | karsten | linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 11:10.46 | karsten | And for good measure: kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686 |
| 11:11.56 | karsten | How good is Debian's grub installer at sorting out Windows installations? |
| 11:12.08 | Charminthemoose | fairly good |
| 11:12.15 | karsten | OK. |
| 11:12.22 | Charminthemoose | if i can remember the lines |
| 11:12.34 | Charminthemoose | better print em |
| 11:12.37 | karsten | We've got two options when we get there. There's a number of systems which pretty much automagickally get it right. |
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| 11:13.54 | karsten | There goes the life of the party.... |
| 11:14.14 | karsten | Reminds me of a line from Bruce Perens, made publicly at IIRC a LWE. |
| 11:14.21 | karsten | "Software is like sex." |
| 11:14.22 | masturbating | join my channel an get free drugs!!! #drugs,0 |
| 11:14.26 | masturbating | /join #drugs,0 |
| 11:14.28 | masturbating | thanks! |
| 11:14.31 | karsten | !ops masturbating |
| 11:14.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: masturbating |
| 11:14.32 | masturbating | you will get free op!! |
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| 11:14.53 | peterS | wtf. |
| 11:14.53 | karsten | "The kind you share with other people is better" |
| 11:14.54 | cafuego | karsten: Stop touhing yourself. |
| 11:14.55 | Charminthemoose | a little side note here that says:I notice you do not have a vmlinuz symbolic link. i can create one for you and it shall be updated by newer kernel image packages.THis is useful if you use a bootloader like lilo. |
| 11:15.00 | karsten | cafuego: Hush. |
| 11:15.19 | karsten | Charminthemoose: That's actually lilo or the kernel installer thinking about lilo. Ignore. |
| 11:16.11 | Charminthemoose | feck,i need grub to be able to use initrd.is this talking about lilo again? |
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| 11:16.32 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Nope. Don't ignore that part, but don't worry about it yet. |
| 11:16.51 | karsten | Charminthemoose: It should just create an initrd for you. It's telling you to make sure your bootloader knows about that. |
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| 11:16.55 | nvz | peterS: you do notice he just changed nick right? |
| 11:16.58 | karsten | Charminthemoose: We'll take care of that later. |
| 11:17.13 | Charminthemoose | i got an error...... |
| 11:17.17 | peterS | nvz: oh, I missed that, thanks |
| 11:17.31 | nvz | peterS: no problem |
| 11:17.33 | karsten | peterS: @i577BF1E2.versanet.de |
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| 11:18.08 | Charminthemoose | i think it's gonna go downhill from here. |
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| 11:18.10 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Doing fine. |
| 11:18.21 | Charminthemoose | right so i have the 2.6 installed. |
| 11:18.24 | karsten | Good. |
| 11:18.26 | Charminthemoose | shall i do the 2.4?\ |
| 11:18.33 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Sure. Similar drill. |
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| 11:18.53 | peterS | nvz: and without butter I suppose? |
| 11:18.56 | nvz | you know I had a pound of margerine the other day and didnt realize when I took everything out that I left it in the car :( |
| 11:19.04 | peterS | heh |
| 11:19.08 | nvz | peterS: yeah whatever.. could have been butter for all I know |
| 11:19.08 | karsten | cafuego: Note that it's a little out of character for me to complain about that... |
| 11:19.17 | karsten | nvz: Ouch. |
| 11:19.21 | nvz | peterS: reguardless I got lard melted in the car :P |
| 11:19.25 | karsten | nvz: Leather seats? |
| 11:19.39 | Badenser | Hi all .. I want to upgrade/install the bootsplash package, but the postinst script throws an error (code 10). If I run the script directly, I cannot see any error. Any idea .. ? |
| 11:20.02 | nvz | karsten: no it didnt get on the car.. I had my clean clothes in a big plastic bin and had the food on top :P |
| 11:20.05 | cafuego | nvz: it could be worse... I went driving to in the mountains, hit ice and nearly went down a ravine. |
| 11:20.14 | karsten | nvz: gah. |
| 11:20.32 | karsten | cafuego: Be careful. |
| 11:20.38 | nvz | so its all over my clothes but didnt get on the car |
| 11:20.42 | cafuego | karsten: Too late! |
| 11:20.55 | karsten | cafuego: Soiled trousers? |
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| 11:21.05 | Charminthemoose | karsten,it can't find linux-image-2.4.27-3-686 or kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686 |
| 11:21.11 | karsten | cafuego: any car damage? |
| 11:21.11 | Charminthemoose | apt i mean |
| 11:21.19 | apt | You mean? |
| 11:21.19 | cafuego | karsten: Dint in bonnet & need of new bumper bar. |
| 11:21.22 | cafuego | saved by a pole |
| 11:21.26 | minerale | karsten: dude I went to slep last night and you were chatting, I just woke up and you're still here |
| 11:21.36 | karsten | minerale: I never sleep. |
| 11:21.40 | Charminthemoose | lol |
| 11:21.45 | karsten | Charminthemoose: apt is another bot. |
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| 11:21.47 | nvz | my cousin's wife landed her saturn in an embankment and busted the radiator and stuff trying to miss some geese.. |
| 11:22.07 | Charminthemoose | karsten,it can't find linux-image-2.4.27-3-686 or kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686 |
| 11:22.08 | karsten | nvz: My brother's wife landed uranus in ... nevermind. |
| 11:22.10 | nvz | they got a sign up out there now says something like "hit the gease they are cheaper" |
| 11:22.11 | karsten | Charminthemoose: yeah. |
| 11:22.21 | Charminthemoose | i got pwned |
| 11:22.23 | Charminthemoose | :) |
| 11:22.24 | peterS | nvz: good call |
| 11:23.02 | Studiosus | added links to init script with 'update-rc.d ifupdown-clean start 80 0 1 6 .', but script isn't executed during boot. why may be? |
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| 11:23.39 | Studiosus | sorry, during shutdown |
| 11:23.49 | nvz | I guess I am gonna fry some chicken nuggets in the vegetable shortening I got :P I would rather make some chicken breast and mash potato and veggies but I dont have any butter/margerine on hand |
| 11:24.01 | karsten | Charminthemoose: try: kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 or kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686 |
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| 11:24.35 | nvz | I went to look for it the other day to soften some up and put it in my butter dish and I found it already softened out in the car :P |
| 11:25.01 | karsten | nvz: My car/food goof was leaving a gallon of milk in the back of my truck all day while at work. |
| 11:25.08 | nvz | eww |
| 11:25.17 | karsten | nvz: Didn't explode or anything, but figured it wasn't going to taste all that great. |
| 11:25.24 | karsten | nvz: ... so I made yoghurt from it. |
| 11:25.35 | karsten | Which was pretty much perfect. |
| 11:25.43 | nvz | I actually could make cheese burgers now that I think about it.. or dipped hamburgers |
| 11:26.03 | nvz | or breakfast it is like 7:30am |
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| 11:26.48 | nvz | a screw it deep fried food is easier I'll make something better when I wake up a bit |
| 11:26.52 | karsten | nvz: Philly cheese steaks! |
| 11:27.02 | Charminthemoose | karsten:it works not. |
| 11:27.06 | nvz | yeah I got some strip steak in the freezer |
| 11:27.10 | karsten | Charminthemoose: What's the message? |
| 11:27.18 | Studiosus | is there any way to make bootlogd log messages during shutdown/reboot? |
| 11:27.30 | nvz | not sure that I have much of anything else to make a steak sandwitch though |
| 11:27.31 | Charminthemoose | karsten:just can't find the packages |
| 11:27.44 | karsten | Charminthemoose: apt-cache search linux-image | gep 2.4 |
| 11:27.52 | karsten | Charminthemoose: s/gep/grep/ |
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| 11:28.57 | Charminthemoose | linux-headers-2.6.16-2-486 - Header files for Linux kernel 2.6.16 on 486-class machines |
| 11:28.57 | Charminthemoose | linux-headers-2.6.17-2-486 - Header files for Linux 2.6.17 on 486-class |
| 11:28.57 | Charminthemoose | linux-image-2.6.16-2-486 - Linux kernel 2.6.16 image on 486-class machines |
| 11:28.57 | Charminthemoose | linux-image-2.6.17-2-486 - Linux 2.6.17 image on 486-class |
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| 11:29.11 | nvz | Studiosus: maybe because you dont boot to runlevels 0 1 or 6? |
| 11:29.37 | Studiosus | nvz, I mistaken, not during boot, but during reboot |
| 11:29.52 | nvz | Studiosus: ah. |
| 11:30.01 | nvz | Studiosus: 2 or S would be on boot |
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| 11:30.19 | Charminthemoose | karsten:THere's 2.4.17 on 386 |
| 11:30.28 | Charminthemoose | kernelimage |
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| 11:30.46 | Studiosus | yes, there's symlinks to ifupdown-clean from rc{0,1,6}.d but it doesn't run during reboot :( |
| 11:30.53 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Install that. It's not 686 optimized but it will run. |
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| 11:31.19 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Use #flood or /msg dpkg paster |
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| 11:31.40 | tziku | i have a number like: 1-5 . How can i split and put first=1 and secnod=5 to can use later variables $first for 1 and $second for 5 ? |
| 11:31.43 | karsten | Charminthemoose: There's a website you can paste code output. |
| 11:31.53 | Coke | Is there a way to dump audio that is being played on /dev/dsp? |
| 11:32.03 | karsten | tziku: shell script? "shift". |
| 11:32.11 | tziku | yes |
| 11:32.34 | tziku | No manual entry for shift |
| 11:32.43 | enouf | Studiosus: this is what I have for 'locate ifupdown-clean' : /etc/init.d/ifupdown-clean |
| 11:32.46 | enouf | /etc/rcS.d/S18ifupdown-clean |
| 11:32.52 | Charminthemoose | karsten:that's done |
| 11:32.54 | Studiosus | tziku, help shift |
| 11:33.04 | karsten | tziku: 'help shift' It's a shell builtin. |
| 11:33.14 | karsten | tziku: 'man bash; man builtins' |
| 11:33.26 | Charminthemoose | karsten i posted some stuff in flood |
| 11:33.28 | Charminthemoose | if you are there...... |
| 11:33.35 | Studiosus | 'man bash' is rather overwhelming :) |
| 11:33.49 | tziku | !tell tziku about shift |
| 11:34.07 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Is /proc mounted inside the chroot? |
| 11:34.19 | Charminthemoose | yeah |
| 11:34.21 | karsten | Charminthemoose: 'mount -t proc proc /proc' as root within the chroot |
| 11:34.22 | karsten | OK. |
| 11:34.26 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 11:34.55 | Studiosus | enouf, I have it (script) in same place as you, I told about symlinks to script, which must ensure script will be run during reboot. but it isn't :( i don't understand why :( |
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| 11:35.07 | karsten | Charminthemoose: One sec. |
| 11:35.13 | Charminthemoose | ok |
| 11:35.28 | Studiosus | enouf, so your system calls ifupdown-clean during start-up. i'll try it |
| 11:36.07 | karsten | What's the mkinitrd root argument refer to? Current root or target mount root point? |
| 11:36.36 | Charminthemoose | i dunno |
| 11:36.46 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Not asking you . |
| 11:36.50 | nvz | considering its initrd its probably refering to the root of all evil |
| 11:36.54 | Charminthemoose | my bad |
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| 11:37.22 | karsten | nvz: udev? |
| 11:37.28 | Charminthemoose | sorry... |
| 11:37.31 | nvz | heh |
| 11:37.34 | karsten | Charminthemoose: NP. |
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| 11:39.36 | enouf | Studiosus: yes - and the rcS.d is a symlink to init.d : [lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2006-04-30 23:26 S18ifupdown-clean -> ../init.d/ifupdown-clean] |
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| 11:39.59 | syntaxx | i installed samba it works before i can browse my windows pc but now its not working again.. what file do i need to check for me to fix it? |
| 11:40.09 | Studiosus | enouf, I just checked, it works in S runlevel, but doesn't in 6 (reboot). why??? |
| 11:40.27 | nvz | syntaxx: there isnt likely any such file |
| 11:40.38 | nvz | syntaxx: how do you mean browsing your windows pc? |
| 11:40.44 | Charminthemoose | karsten:it did work. |
| 11:40.58 | syntaxx | nvz, i have 2 pc but i cant see it |
| 11:41.31 | nvz | syntaxx: yes but what are you using smbclient/smbmount? |
| 11:41.31 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Paste error, to http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 11:41.38 | nvz | syntaxx: nautilus? |
| 11:41.46 | syntaxx | nvz, nautilus |
| 11:42.15 | Charminthemoose | kk.thanks for the tip |
| 11:42.17 | enouf | Studiosus: no idea - but those are my only two entries for that file - you may want to check some runlevel specific services that are started/stopped using 'sysv-rc-conf' |
| 11:42.18 | karsten | nvz: The *other* root of all evil. |
| 11:42.22 | nvz | syntaxx: nautilus doesnt need samba installed, its build against samba libs |
| 11:42.30 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Easier to read than #flood |
| 11:42.30 | Tobias41 | I made a backup form pc1 with Partition Image, and uploaded to pc2. HDD partitions the same, but pc1 has 2 ethernet boards and eth1 is active, while pc2 has only 1 ethernet board. It is also called eth1 because the backup contains this info. On pc2 there is no eth0. Net is not working. What shall I do? |
| 11:42.36 | Coke | Can someone point me to documentation on how to setup specific ALSA drivers to specific card slots? Thanks. |
| 11:42.37 | nvz | not that you need samba installed for a client in the first place anyhow |
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| 11:43.28 | enouf | Studiosus: !tell Studiosus about rcconf |
| 11:43.29 | syntaxx | nvz, but it works before.. ive been using samba and nautilus for a long time.. last night it works but not it doesnt |
| 11:43.29 | Charminthemoose | karsten:right,then.do i now somehow setup grub to boot with a initrd? |
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| 11:43.45 | syntaxx | now* |
| 11:43.48 | karsten | Charminthemoose: It should take care of that automatically, we want to confirm that. |
| 11:43.53 | cahoot | Coke: http://alsa2.opensrc.org/FAQ |
| 11:44.10 | Coke | cahoot: oh, I thought it had something to do with modutils |
| 11:44.15 | enouf | Studiosus: /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 11:44.16 | karsten | Charminthemoose: if you haven't already: apt-get install grub |
| 11:44.19 | Azoff | hello |
| 11:44.22 | nvz | syntaxx: nautilus has little at all to do with samba I'd try verifying you can connect to the host and list shares with smbclient |
| 11:44.30 | Azoff | I hav a very annoying problem |
| 11:44.45 | Azoff | yesterday, I installed etch on one box |
| 11:44.45 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:44.45 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:44.51 | tarzeau | there's probably a very annoying solution |
| 11:44.53 | Azoff | that box is using pppoe to connect to the ISP |
| 11:45.04 | karsten | tarzeau: Only after ... |
| 11:45.07 | Charminthemoose | karsten,won't this absolutly rape my current grub? |
| 11:45.12 | karsten | tarzeau: ...some very annoying discussion. |
| 11:45.26 | nvz | Charminthemoose: you can't rape the willing |
| 11:45.33 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Nope. The config's happening under the chroot. The actual GRUB MBR config is already there. |
| 11:45.43 | Azoff | and pppd is using eth0 as the connected iface. That iface is an old Intel PCI card (10mbit) and uses e100 or eepro100 as driver |
| 11:45.54 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Though having a backup of your existing menu.list (outside the chroot) would be good. |
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| 11:46.19 | cahoot | Coke: I understood the problem as assigning module <-> card # consistently between reboots - wrong? |
| 11:47.44 | Charminthemoose | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3679 |
| 11:47.49 | Azoff | with another box that used to stand where this new box is located, I used the e100 driver, but now, e100 just gives "Resource temporarily unavailable"... eepro100 still works through |
| 11:48.09 | Azoff | so, my question is, what does that error say? |
| 11:48.48 | Azoff | if e100 driver is broken with the other hw, is there anyway to disable that driver during boot and insert eepro100 instead (without removing it from harddrive) |
| 11:48.54 | nvz | says the Resource is temporarily unavailable |
| 11:49.03 | karsten | Charminthemoose: OK, this we need to sort. |
| 11:49.29 | Azoff | nvz: yes, but why does the eepro100 driver work if I unload e100 then? |
| 11:49.35 | karsten | nvz: Try following? |
| 11:49.38 | Azoff | it can't be hw then? |
| 11:50.06 | nvz | why the hell are you not able to understand that round pegs dont always fit in square holes? |
| 11:50.19 | Charminthemoose | any ideas karsten? |
| 11:50.28 | tarzeau | !stats sid |
| 11:50.34 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Googling. |
| 11:50.40 | nvz | you got a driver that works, its not an issue. I dont go trying to use my VIA AC 97 with Intel AC97 drivers and wonder why it doesnt work |
| 11:50.44 | enouf | nvz: hehe - it happened again - the hired help disappeared :-p |
| 11:50.46 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Bug#237834: |
| 11:50.56 | Coke | cahoot: yep |
| 11:51.08 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Feck. Lame closed excuse. |
| 11:51.13 | Azoff | the card used to work with the old Amd 1.0Ghz box, but the new Amd64 3500+ dosn't work with it |
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| 11:51.40 | Coke | cahoot: you wouldn't happen to know how to get the ALSA Jack plugin working? My playback clients keep telling me the sample format is non available and I can't use a dmix plugin to remix it. |
| 11:51.46 | Azoff | nvz: I wouldn't bather you guys if it weren't that I *can't* disable loading the e100 driver _before_ eepro100 |
| 11:52.02 | Azoff | removing it from disk ain't a solution (think kernel upgrade) |
| 11:52.10 | Coke | cahoot: I've also tried changing the Jack parameters for rate and to 16-bit, but to no avail. |
| 11:52.12 | nvz | Azoff: b.s. you dont have to use a driver that doesnt support any of your hardware |
| 11:52.30 | nvz | Azoff: I got hundreds of drivers I dont have hardware for, and guess what I dont load them |
| 11:52.50 | Charminthemoose | tsk. |
| 11:52.51 | Azoff | nvz: did you miss the message where I told you that it used to work with e100 driver with that NIC? |
| 11:53.13 | enouf | nvz : might as well share with somebody http://pastebin.ca/165964 - oh sorry to hear about your melted lard and your soiled cloths |
| 11:53.14 | Azoff | e100 and eepro100 are for the _same_ hardware AFAIK |
| 11:53.28 | Azoff | just one BSD(?) and one Intel driver.. |
| 11:53.42 | enouf | Studiosus: see this http://pastebin.ca/165964 |
| 11:53.44 | nvz | Azoff: would it make you feel better if I told you I used to wipe my butt with a leaf but after I got poison ivy I decided to switch to soft tissues? |
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| 11:54.04 | enouf | nvz : roflmao ... you nut |
| 11:54.05 | Charminthemoose | karsten:So,no ideas eh? |
| 11:54.19 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Have you configured /etc/fstab yet? |
| 11:54.25 | nvz | this is like when I used to complain about pains when I was younger and I'd tell my dad "it hurts when I do this" and he would laugh at me and say "well dont do that" |
| 11:54.31 | Azoff | nvz: I just think that you souldn't awnser questions that you apperently don't know the awnser to |
| 11:54.51 | karsten | Charminthemoose: You should be able to copy the one from outside the chroot. Delete any existing fstab *inside* the chroot first. |
| 11:54.51 | nvz | I think you shouldnt try to use something that obviously doesnt work when you know damn well something else will |
| 11:55.20 | nvz | compile a new kernel and talk to LKML with your 32bit->64bit bugs |
| 11:55.20 | Azoff | yes, BUT, I can't disable e100 when booting! |
| 11:55.42 | Studiosus | enouf, thx, with this setup (ifupdown-clean in S runlevel) all fine. I just wonder, why ifupdown-clean seems not work to me in reboot runlevel? anyway, thx :) |
| 11:55.44 | Azoff | I have to manually remove e100 and load eepro100 to get it running |
| 11:55.46 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Also: try setting "ROOT=/dev/hda2" (IIRC that's your Linux partition) in /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf *inside* the chroot. |
| 11:55.46 | nvz | bullshit, I have ran thousands of kernels and never once been forced to load 3100 at boot |
| 11:55.58 | Azoff | and, just so you know... I am using 32bit Debian |
| 11:55.59 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Both 2.4 and 2.6 kernel installs should run at that point. |
| 11:56.12 | realist | Azoff: man modconf |
| 11:56.21 | realist | Now shoo fly... |
| 11:56.43 | nvz | Azoff: yeah on a 64bit machine.. its no surprise you are experiencing some minor problems with some things you cant expect two different machines to behave the same under the same conditions |
| 11:56.52 | enouf | Studiosus: okie |
| 11:57.04 | Azoff | realist: I did ad an entry like 'alias e100 off', but it didn't change a thing.. that's why I ask here |
| 11:57.29 | enouf | Azoff: do this 'sudo modprobe -l | grep ee' and 'sudo modprobe -l | grep e100' - take your pick |
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| 11:58.13 | realist | Azoff: you can unload a module with "rmmod |
| 11:58.37 | Azoff | realist: yes, but I do not wanna do this manually after _EVERY_ boot |
| 11:59.12 | Azoff | just so you know... I know how Linux works... I am no newbie... I am just not used to use precompiled kernels... |
| 11:59.25 | Azoff | but I guess... I'll better use my own as I use too.. |
| 11:59.29 | enouf | goes off to pour himself a tall one - I'm starting early today :-) gonna head to the beach ..finally (I hope) |
| 12:00.09 | tarzeau | what's the package name for the etch graphical installer ? debian-installer ? |
| 12:00.19 | nvz | and I'll go down to the river and dip my head in the water with the ducks and gease |
| 12:00.53 | enouf | nvz: just don't shoot them - you need to hit them with your vehicle only |
| 12:01.32 | realist | Azoff: time to learn how debian loads modules on boot up then ;p |
| 12:01.38 | nvz | enouf: yeah well my vehicle doesnt talk to me unless I got gasoline and the gas station attendant doesnt talk to me without money.. therein lies a problem |
| 12:01.42 | realist | enouf: I can't wait until summer :-) |
| 12:01.46 | Charminthemoose | so how do i make sure that the kernels work? |
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| 12:02.23 | enouf | realist: summer is just ending here .. :-( - I think I'll head south this winter :-) |
| 12:02.55 | karsten | Charminthemoose: You boot them. |
| 12:02.56 | enouf | nvz: when's this PC repair/consultation busineess going to get off the ground ? |
| 12:03.02 | karsten | Charminthemoose: We're going to check a few things first. |
| 12:03.06 | Trewas | Azoff: if you are using testing, udev is loading the modules automagically... not that I know how udev can be insturected to select the correct module |
| 12:03.22 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Seeing as that's a somewhat one-time proposition. |
| 12:03.31 | realist | enouf: North America? |
| 12:03.36 | Charminthemoose | karsten:yeah? |
| 12:03.39 | enouf | realist: oh - and Lakes and rivers don't count (though nice at times) - it MUST be Ocean waters :-) |
| 12:03.39 | nvz | enouf: I don't know what you are talking about :P |
| 12:03.48 | enouf | realist: Absotively :-) |
| 12:03.52 | nvz | enouf: I did that already and I hated it. |
| 12:04.19 | enouf | nvz: the electrician industrail park dude -- go and do :-p |
| 12:04.25 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Well, not strictly one-time, but we want to get it right. |
| 12:04.44 | Charminthemoose | sure |
| 12:04.47 | Charminthemoose | oh just to say |
| 12:04.50 | Azoff | Trewas: yes, I am using Etch |
| 12:04.58 | enouf | nvz: take the scraps - then buy him out after a little while |
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| 12:05.06 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Got fstab set up? |
| 12:05.08 | Azoff | realist: hm |
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| 12:05.17 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ... and did you modify /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf ? |
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| 12:05.23 | Charminthemoose | 2.4.17 kernel and initrd is in /boot but not the 2.6 |
| 12:05.27 | enouf | realist: from down under ? |
| 12:05.29 | Charminthemoose | yes i modifyed |
| 12:05.34 | enouf | you* |
| 12:05.37 | nvz | enouf: yeah well he's not real easy to get hold of.. old paranoid techie syndrome.. its like trying to get hold of someone in the witness protection program :P |
| 12:05.49 | realist | enouf: is it that obvious? *smirk* |
| 12:05.50 | karsten | Charminthemoose: OK. Try reinstalling the kernels. See if the mkinitrd step works. |
| 12:05.54 | enouf | nvz: wormhole his arse :-p |
| 12:06.13 | nvz | enouf: gotta chalk the mailbox outside and meet him at the boat dock :P |
| 12:06.14 | realist | About time I organised a cloak ;p |
| 12:06.18 | nvz | j/k |
| 12:06.44 | enouf | realist: aye mate -ie :-) ... man - besides Italy and southern France, NZ and Australia are a must visit before I pass |
| 12:07.04 | enouf | nvz: drink up and simmer down :-) |
| 12:07.23 | Charminthemoose | karsten:what's the two kernels i'm looking for again? |
| 12:07.33 | realist | enouf: you wont regret it |
| 12:07.38 | karsten | Charminthemoose: the 2.6. and 2.4. Should be in your shell history. |
| 12:07.41 | enouf | realist: you could be in SA (the other hemisphere) .. hehehe |
| 12:07.52 | nvz | I'm really not so sure if thats what I want to do or if he still wants to do it. and I'd need money to get started with which I dont have |
| 12:08.18 | Charminthemoose | karsten:heh,it isn't........my deep apologies |
| 12:08.41 | enouf | realist: that sounds woderful ... really - just long airplane flights bother me I guess - ...but I can always knock myself out too :-) |
| 12:08.49 | karsten | Sec. |
| 12:08.52 | realist | enouf: not with this hostname |
| 12:08.55 | enouf | wonderful* even |
| 12:08.59 | realist | enouf: try and fly off-peak |
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| 12:09.13 | realist | Then hope there are enough spare seats to lay across ;p |
| 12:09.29 | realist | Just happened there were 4 empty seats on my way to California |
| 12:09.31 | karsten | Charminthemoose: pcmcia-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 12:09.36 | enouf | realist: great - I'll grab a Cesna - or a commuter shuttle - hehehe |
| 12:09.38 | nvz | I'd have to know that I can turn a profit and I havent worked on a business plan in years |
| 12:09.45 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Erm... hold on that. |
| 12:09.54 | Charminthemoose | k |
| 12:09.55 | karsten | Charminthemoose: kernel-image-2.4.27-3-386 |
| 12:09.55 | enouf | realist: really ? |
| 12:09.56 | Studiosus | enouf, the answer to ifupdown-clean is that 'The two runlevels 0 (halt) and 6 (reboot) are slightly different. In these runlevels, the links with an S prefix are still called after those with a K prefix, but they too are called with the single argument stop', ifupdown-clean ignores 'stop' argument |
| 12:11.08 | MatBoy | Hi All ! I need to sync very small files on demand between 2 servers. What is OK to use for this ? rsync will be to slow in my opinion |
| 12:11.13 | enouf | Studiosus: thank you - that's pretty interesting - just atm, I'm not focused enough for that :-) ...can you please clarify what that actually results in - in less than 20 words? |
| 12:11.19 | realist | nvz: I'm going through the same debate at the moment |
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| 12:11.28 | karsten | Charminthemoose: and: linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 12:12.25 | Charminthemoose | got the ferkin' initrd message again.the one telling me to make sure that grub supports it. |
| 12:12.37 | karsten | Right, that's not an issue. |
| 12:12.40 | nvz | realist: yeah I got a cheap place right now here in star city and I am getting buy. I don't really want to change directions right now even if it means being closer to my friends without knowing I can maintain. I definatly dont want to be moving back to my parents house or living with any of my friends. I dont like depending on people. |
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| 12:12.52 | Studiosus | in runlevels 0 or 6 (halt,reboot) all init.d scripts called with 'stop' arg, despite link in rc6.d may be 'S10ifupdown-clean'. ifupdown-clean accepts only 'start' arg to work. that's it |
| 12:12.52 | karsten | It's the "Failed to create initrd image." one that's bad news. |
| 12:13.24 | enouf | Studiosus: have you also looked at the /network[ing] scripts ? and perhaps others that (like /inetd) that may/may not invoke,update, stop, start certain of these services like ifupdown ? ...honestly, I havent as of yet :-) |
| 12:13.33 | Charminthemoose | running depmod....... |
| 12:13.40 | Nethox | Hello. Is there some way (mailing-lists?) to know the packages that are removed from a Debian release? p.e., xfe now is not in testing, just stable and unstable |
| 12:13.40 | realist | nvz, it's always good to be independant. |
| 12:13.51 | tarzeau | Nethox: check packages.debian.org/PACKAGE |
| 12:13.52 | nvz | I've gotta get hold of Forse and talk some business.. I am planning a trip up their for our halloween party maybe I can find some time to sit down with him. |
| 12:14.07 | tarzeau | Nethox: it'll show oldstable,stable,testing,unstable,experimental (or less) |
| 12:14.12 | karsten | OK. |
| 12:14.13 | roym | Hi folks: Is "cp -ax" a reliable way to move an entire filesystem to a another location, or is there a better way? |
| 12:14.29 | Charminthemoose | karsten:right.ramdisk is built.<_> |
| 12:14.33 | Nethox | tarzeau: yes, but i mean a more automatic way |
| 12:14.34 | Studiosus | no, I didn't. solved my problem, it enough for me for now. sunshine outdoors, feeling like take a walk :) |
| 12:14.35 | realist | I'd like to get a decent business plan, and some capital... but that's the easy part, attracting clients is something I don't have a great deal of experience with (i.e. business marketing / advertising) |
| 12:14.38 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Cool. |
| 12:14.53 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Success? |
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| 12:15.30 | Charminthemoose | karsten:YUP!:) |
| 12:15.31 | nvz | realist: I understand how depending on other people can sometimes cause problems and I prefer to know that if something goes wrong I dont have anyone to blame but myself. Forse always lectured me on not just covering my ass but covering it twice over.. make sure you always got a backup plan |
| 12:16.09 | karsten | Charminthemoose: OK, interesting times. Got sash installed? |
| 12:16.19 | nvz | realist: yeah he already owns a place called the Electronic Hospital he's had for years and has the number listed and stuff.. but he's never opened to the public as far as I can remember. |
| 12:16.42 | Charminthemoose | karsten:yup. |
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| 12:16.47 | enouf | Studiosus: I appreciate the come-back and sincere attempt at clarification -- I think I understand you and what you're saying about start|stop , but consider the comments in the scripts too - [# if /etc/network/run is a symlink to a directory that doesn't exist, |
| 12:16.47 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:17.08 | karsten | Charminthemoose: run it as 'sash'. Type 'help' |
| 12:17.30 | Nethox | tarzeau: well, thanks, i'll keep on doing the packages.debian way when I notice the "change" |
| 12:17.33 | karsten | Charminthemoose: The commands prefixed with '-<name>' are builtins. Replacements for a bunch of utility commands (mv rm, ls, etc.). |
| 12:17.34 | nvz | realist: its a decent sized little shop he's got glass display cases for a counter, and in the back there is a big workshop/store room with shelves and a small kitchen/bath and another little living space.. I could live there to save money at first if I had to |
| 12:17.40 | tarzeau | Nethox: use some text browser to dump that webpage and check those strings |
| 12:17.41 | Charminthemoose | karsten:I tried to reinstall the 2.4 kernel but it said that it was already to it's newest version right? |
| 12:17.52 | enouf | Studiosus: and stuff like [# Note: The state file location is hardcoded in ifup|ifdown |
| 12:17.52 | enouf | IFSTATE=/etc/network/run/ifstate |
| 12:17.53 | karsten | Charminthemoose: No editor though (well, -ed, but we won't go there). |
| 12:17.57 | Charminthemoose | should i be worried that there's no ramdisk for the 2.4 one? |
| 12:18.03 | karsten | Charminthemoose: 'apt-get install --reinstall' |
| 12:18.11 | karsten | Charminthemoose: We need the initrd. Yes, it matters. |
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| 12:19.01 | nvz | realist: I dont know what his plans are because we dont see each other that much anymore so I'd have to see what he wants to do. I'd want to open it to the public and maximize clientel, he'd most likely still just want to work through the night as a side-job like he always does |
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| 12:19.51 | nvz | I'd be looking to draw people in while he filters out what he wants to do and doesnt want to do. |
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| 12:20.19 | enouf | nvz : the guy's gotta sleep sometime - especially with age |
| 12:21.07 | Charminthemoose | karsten:http://paste.debian.net/12566 |
| 12:21.29 | nvz | enouf: yeah well I am not sure what really drives him but it doesnt seem like sleep fits into the equation. but he's got a full-time job at the park so he's not really doing much with the place I am sure. |
| 12:21.49 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Looks good. |
| 12:21.59 | realist | nvz: sounds like an interesting opportunity then |
| 12:22.01 | Charminthemoose | okey dokey |
| 12:22.06 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Ok: *INSIDE* the chroot: 'update-grub' |
| 12:22.07 | nvz | enouf: last I talked to him about it he was cleaning up and he had put AOL cds shiny side out all the way around the top of the place like a boarder.. heh |
| 12:22.12 | enouf | nvz: and you like tobe up at night ..so - there ya go :-) |
| 12:22.28 | karsten | Charminthemoose: That should do its magic. Post both the chroot and outside-chroot menu.list files. |
| 12:22.29 | enouf | nvz: wtf :-p |
| 12:22.35 | karsten | Charminthemoose: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:22.48 | nvz | enouf: na I would have to be up during the day drawing in new business |
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| 12:23.50 | nvz | enouf: I am sure I could think of something to get people in there |
| 12:23.53 | enouf | nvz : no - you're assuming a public place now - not a continuation, expansion of what he does (again clientelle with mucho $$) |
| 12:24.12 | Charminthemoose | right.debian automagic kernels have been fitted in. |
| 12:24.24 | Charminthemoose | now do i just add a windows line? |
| 12:24.56 | karsten | Charminthemoose: You should be able to copy the one from your existing grub conf to the end of that file. |
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| 12:25.08 | Charminthemoose | karsten:thanks. |
| 12:25.20 | enouf | nvz: you don't necessarily want 'new' b0z0s to contend with - that would likely cause all sorts of CSR issues that he wouldn't want to even begin to deal with (think geeksquad and proceed to puke) -- you see? |
| 12:25.21 | nvz | enouf: I am not so sure you could make a living just returning phone calls or he wouldnt have a full-time job for stability himself |
| 12:25.22 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Below the line :### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST |
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| 12:26.19 | nvz | enouf: If I was paying rent and stuff there I'd have to have steady business to make a profit I couldnt pick and choose like he does |
| 12:26.20 | enouf | nvz : you wanrt to focus on the extraneous clients that he passes up and/or doesn't have time to deal with |
| 12:26.55 | enouf | nvz : if he trusts you - that's all you need to start |
| 12:27.10 | Charminthemoose | karsten:Done.:) |
| 12:27.12 | nvz | I dont think its really in his nature to trust anyone |
| 12:27.36 | Charminthemoose | karsten:one thing i'm worried about though is the fact i haven't set up my usb network router |
| 12:27.36 | enouf | nvz : well he knows you ... so go and prove yourself :! |
| 12:27.41 | nvz | he's got all the classic symptoms of an old tech head.. conspiracy theories and all.. dont ask him about things like JFK |
| 12:27.41 | Charminthemoose | ie:my internet access |
| 12:27.49 | Coke | I've been trying to make OSS applications use Jack by setting the pcm.dsp0 slave to my pcm.jack, which uses the Jack plugin. The OSS applications still consider the device busy. After googling for some time I still can't find a complete solution that will allow OSS applications to playback using the Jack plugin. Where could I find such an example? |
| 12:28.06 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Right. Let's look at that next. Can you past both new and old grub configs and lable them clearly? |
| 12:28.10 | enouf | nvz : ahh ...see - he needs someone to "talk" to (or at) ...at first :-) |
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| 12:28.29 | karsten | nvz: Gumby shot JFK! |
| 12:28.37 | Charminthemoose | karsten:kk.lol |
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| 12:28.51 | enouf | I think Mr plum did it with the candlestick |
| 12:28.51 | nvz | enouf: I think he and his wife split up becaue last I was talking with him at Eat&Park he said he just got back from the UK.. and that didnt seem like him.. |
| 12:28.58 | murugan | hi i want to install debian to my hard drisk /dev/hda right now i'm runing knoppix live CD, may ii know how can i install from internet ? |
| 12:29.12 | karsten | murugan: ask Charminthemoose |
| 12:29.23 | enouf | karsten: hehehe |
| 12:29.31 | karsten | murugan: ... or /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 12:29.40 | nvz | enouf: for all I know he could be caught up in a divorce and living in the shop himself :P |
| 12:29.55 | cahoot | Coke: if no useful help here I'd suggest a posting to Alsa-user mailing list |
| 12:30.10 | Charminthemoose | karsten:http://paste.debian.net/12568 |
| 12:30.34 | nvz | enouf: and like I said for him to pass off his name and business on me he'd want me to get certified he told me that years ago when I was a teenager. |
| 12:30.40 | karsten | OK, sec. |
| 12:30.49 | enouf | nvz: oh boy ... ok - just give me 5000 gazillion other reasons ...that's all i need |
| 12:31.07 | nvz | enouf: the A+ cert is like $300 I belive |
| 12:31.07 | enouf | nvz: then GET CERTIFIED! |
| 12:31.08 | murugan | karsten, is it possible to install from internet or by downloading a file ? |
| 12:31.25 | murugan | and directly writing to /dev/hda |
| 12:31.40 | karsten | murugan: Yes and yes. I'm walking Charminthemoose through the process. It's well documented in appendix C4 of the Debian Installation Manual |
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| 12:31.45 | enouf | nvz: I didn't know that .. but it;s certainly worth borrwoing for |
| 12:31.56 | enouf | borrowing even |
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| 12:32.10 | murugan | karsten, that is excellent |
| 12:32.17 | Charminthemoose | hey karsten Thanks a million buddy. |
| 12:32.38 | karsten | Charminthemoose: there's line starting '# kopt=' in /boot/grub/menu.lst (inside chroot). You may want to add some stuff to it. |
| 12:32.52 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Specifically: vga=791 noacpi noapm nodma |
| 12:33.08 | nvz | enouf: yeah I suppose. its gonna be getting cold in these parts as winter is comming and I probably will start missing home more and be migrating back anyhow.. so I'll try getting in touch with him in the next month or so |
| 12:33.17 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ... which will give you framebuffer console, and disable acpi, apm, and dma (not sure why you're blocking the last). |
| 12:33.30 | karsten | Charminthemoose: re-run 'update-grub' after making that edit. |
| 12:33.38 | Coke | cahoot: I think the problem might be that my pcm.dsp0 is ignored. You wouldn't happen to know how to setup ALSA for the /dev/dsp device? |
| 12:33.41 | enouf | nvz: deal ... I'll keep on your back - rememeber that ... ;-P |
| 12:33.46 | nvz | heh |
| 12:34.08 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Also might bump the timeout back up to 15 (gives you more time to seleect boot option at GRUB prompt) |
| 12:34.18 | Coke | cahoot: silly me. must use aoss. |
| 12:34.42 | nvz | he's probaby still got a bunch of my old junk laying around in there. I gave him my LaserJet 4si, and a whole slew of archaic pcs I got from WVU |
| 12:35.11 | karsten | Charminthemoose: about what? |
| 12:35.19 | Charminthemoose | about the whole kopt thing |
| 12:35.28 | cahoot | Coke: I silently move away from apps that need dsp, never managed to construct a useful .asoundrc |
| 12:35.32 | karsten | Charminthemoose: debian automatically updates your grub conf for you. |
| 12:35.47 | murugan | Charminthemoose, is 150MB of ext3 file system space is enough to install debian, since i'm using compact flash card |
| 12:36.03 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ... so what you do is edit a bunch of stuff that are actually comments. 'update grub' generates appropriate configuration lines based on that. |
| 12:36.16 | karsten | murugan: Yes. |
| 12:36.44 | karsten | Charminthemoose: kopt adds kernel options to all your Linux kernels found, automatically. |
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| 12:36.55 | karsten | murugan: Just barely. Do a base install. Don't plan on running X. |
| 12:37.40 | murugan | karsten, how do i prepare the disk before installing debian, is there is any automation script to create swap space |
| 12:37.46 | karsten | Charminthemoose: If that 'host=' line is important (dhcp config, etc.), you might do that as well. |
| 12:37.56 | karsten | murugan: Please read the referenced docs. |
| 12:38.01 | Coke | cahoot: it's mighty powerful, but quite complex. |
| 12:38.03 | enouf | nvz: I guarantee if you got your certificate and just showed up at a predetermined time everyday - and were mostly hospitable and pleasant ...important-> "no matter what" - within a few days - you're in |
| 12:38.15 | karsten | murugan: and no, not for a chroot / debootstrap install. You have to do some stuff manually. |
| 12:38.25 | Charminthemoose | karsten:done |
| 12:38.33 | enouf | nvz: oh and most importantly "sincere" |
| 12:38.36 | karsten | murugan: Namely: partitioning, swap space, /etc/fstab, /etc/resolv.conf. All documented. |
| 12:38.44 | karsten | Charminthemoose: OK, it's looking sane. |
| 12:38.55 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Mind, that's never meant much ;-) |
| 12:39.13 | murugan | karsten, i will look in to the documentation and if problems i will be back |
| 12:39.16 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Windows stanza looks good |
| 12:39.21 | karsten | murugan: I'll be snoozing. |
| 12:39.41 | Charminthemoose | i run grub update? |
| 12:39.46 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Yes. |
| 12:40.13 | enouf | knows karsten deserves a well-earned nap - if not an 8 hour sleep session |
| 12:40.34 | nvz | enouf: I'll have to see what his plans are... he mostly does it this way because there is less paperwork just leaving the door shut and shades drawn and regaurding it as consulting |
| 12:41.01 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Now confirm that the bits you need to boot are actually there: chroot's /boot should contain /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-686 /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-2-686 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-386 /boot/initrd-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 12:41.19 | karsten | Charminthemoose: If we're missing any of those you're going nowhere fast. |
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| 12:42.42 | enouf | nvz: okie - now .. back to goofing off in irc, and poking others :-p |
| 12:42.56 | Charminthemoose | ping |
| 12:43.02 | enouf | PONG! |
| 12:43.04 | Charminthemoose | 'tis good |
| 12:43.10 | karsten | OK. |
| 12:43.11 | enouf | Mr Whipple ? |
| 12:43.11 | Charminthemoose | karsten:i'm good |
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| 12:43.18 | karsten | I hope so ;-) |
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| 12:44.00 | Charminthemoose | shall we attempt to get my internet access going or something? |
| 12:44.01 | karsten | Charminthemoose: OK, now for the fun part. We're going to move your system out from under you. DSL will probably get very perturbed. If you're in X, this is a really good time to go single-user to console. Have you used 'screen' before? |
| 12:44.08 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Ah. Good point. |
| 12:44.16 | karsten | What's your current config look like? |
| 12:44.33 | Charminthemoose | i dunno 'cos dsl does it automagically |
| 12:44.59 | nvz | I dont think you can use screen in single-user |
| 12:45.02 | karsten | Charminthemoose: /etc/modules is a place you can park any modules you need to have configured / loaded at boot. Your mouse, NIC, and anything else related would be good to have there. |
| 12:45.05 | port7 | anyone running etch on a thinkpad x60s? |
| 12:45.06 | karsten | nvz: Hell you can't. |
| 12:45.17 | nvz | karsten: really? that spawns other ptys and users |
| 12:45.33 | karsten | nvz: You can run non-root users in single-user. You just can't log in. |
| 12:45.42 | CAiRO | lol, i can't scroll with my mouse wheel in firefox when there is a flash animation under the mouse pointer.. argh |
| 12:45.43 | CAiRO | what a silly bug |
| 12:45.49 | karsten | nvz: single-user mode is nothing special, it's a sysvinit mode. |
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| 12:46.14 | karsten | nvz: Just restricts what services and gettys are started, pops up /etc/nologin |
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| 12:46.27 | Charminthemoose | http://paste.debian.net/12569 karsten |
| 12:46.30 | nvz | CAiRO: I dont think its a bug so much as it is flash catching your input |
| 12:46.39 | CAiRO | that certainly is a bug |
| 12:46.40 | karsten | nvz: You're more than free to run anything you want single-user. Including spawning gettys manually if you want. |
| 12:47.07 | CAiRO | i should always be possible to scroll down with my mouse wheel, no matter what is under my mouse pointer |
| 12:47.12 | CAiRO | it |
| 12:47.12 | karsten | Charminthemoose: That is in the chroot /etc/modules, was in the DSL /etc/modules, or what? |
| 12:47.24 | Charminthemoose | sorry |
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| 12:47.30 | Charminthemoose | that's dsl's /etc/modules |
| 12:47.42 | enouf | CAiRO: I caqn't even scroll under text boxes in any browser |
| 12:47.48 | karsten | nvz: Had a boss (who *really* should have known better) try to tell me that you couldn't run networking singl-user. Bull and shit. |
| 12:47.49 | nvz | CAiRO: it is possible.. its just scrolling whats under the pointer.. if you go into an iframe its the same thing |
| 12:48.05 | nvz | CAiRO: thats the standard behavior of a web browser |
| 12:48.07 | karsten | Charminthemoose: I'd say copy that wholesale into the chroot and name it /etc/modules. |
| 12:48.18 | enouf | CAiRO: NO it shouldn't ... MS has a Kernel Hook that alllows for that crap! |
| 12:48.18 | CAiRO | yeah, if the area below the pointer is scrollable, that it should scroll the area.. but the flash isn't scrollable.. so it doesn't make sense |
| 12:48.21 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Won't hurt anything other than "can't find module" if it's no loonger valid. |
| 12:48.33 | CAiRO | enouf: what's that to do with ms? |
| 12:48.38 | Charminthemoose | should i also copy modules.conf? |
| 12:48.40 | enouf | CAiRO: no - you don't understand standards |
| 12:48.48 | CAiRO | lol, you don't understand usability |
| 12:48.51 | nvz | CAiRO: it may not be.. but you could implement those events in a flash applet |
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| 12:48.54 | karsten | Charminthemoose: No. that's automatically generated IIRC. |
| 12:49.09 | nvz | CAiRO: you cant have the flash applet capturing the mouse and not the scroll events |
| 12:49.16 | CAiRO | sure, why not? |
| 12:49.19 | enouf | CAiRO: trust me b0z0 - you have no idea what you're talking about |
| 12:49.24 | roym | Hi folks: Is "cp -ax" a reliable way to move an entire filesystem to another location, or is there a better way? |
| 12:49.27 | CAiRO | that is possible, i know event driven programming |
| 12:49.28 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Yeah, by 'update-modules', run at kernel install IIRC. |
| 12:49.29 | CAiRO | that's easy :P |
| 12:49.57 | karsten | roym: there's other ways. rsync and tar being among the more standard. |
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| 12:50.24 | roym | karsten: thanks, rsync sounds great. |
| 12:50.29 | karsten | roym: But should work. |
| 12:51.00 | karsten | roym: If you're doing this once only, cp -ax should actually be faster. It doesn't need to generate a filelist. I'd toss in a '-v' for verbose output (shows files as they're copied). |
| 12:51.04 | karsten | More feedback. |
| 12:51.10 | Charminthemoose | karsten:done. |
| 12:51.18 | karsten | Charminthemoose: OK. |
| 12:51.30 | Charminthemoose | karsten:where are the module files located? |
| 12:51.31 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Does DSL have an /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 12:51.42 | karsten | Charminthemoose: If so, you probaly want to copy that over as well. |
| 12:52.02 | karsten | Charminthemoose: /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/modules/ |
| 12:52.04 | enouf | CAiRO: do you have any idea what defines a self-contained type OSes like Shockshit, Macrocrap, and JavaMonkeys ? |
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| 12:52.12 | karsten | Charminthemoose: They're installed with the kernel. |
| 12:52.38 | CAiRO | huh? |
| 12:52.46 | karsten | enouf: CAiRO: #wanger-wangling is => that way |
| 12:52.47 | enouf | CAiRO: that's what I thought |
| 12:52.59 | CAiRO | i can't follow you but thanks to you all for those great quotes for my blog, that's going to be a lot of fun :) |
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| 12:53.12 | enouf | dangling participle |
| 12:53.16 | karsten | CAiRO: Say, when are you going to be released? |
| 12:53.40 | enouf | karsten: roflmao ... |
| 12:54.01 | karsten | ;-) |
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| 12:54.15 | Charminthemoose | karsten:do i just copy interfaces or do i copy the entire /etc/networks tree? |
| 12:54.18 | dvs | karsten: Pfffffffft! |
| 12:54.25 | nvz | blogs.. pfft.. |
| 12:54.27 | karsten | Charminthemoose: just interfaces for now. |
| 12:54.31 | Charminthemoose | done |
| 12:54.36 | tziku | how can i limit all users on my server to can see only /bin /programs and personal /home/user directory ? |
| 12:54.53 | enouf | dvs: atleast you add the 't' in pfff - thank you :-) |
| 12:54.55 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Unless you're aware of any post-up scripts that should come along. I'd like to see /etc/network/interfaces (from DSL). |
| 12:55.37 | Charminthemoose | http://paste.debian.net/12571 |
| 12:55.38 | karsten | tziku: bash -r |
| 12:55.58 | karsten | tziku: ... or per-user chroots with union / bind mounts (forget the term). |
| 12:56.14 | tziku | chown ? |
| 12:56.16 | karsten | tziku: bind. 'man mount' |
| 12:56.23 | usn_work | hi |
| 12:56.23 | karsten | tziku: chroot |
| 12:56.46 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Hrm. No DSL configuration in there. |
| 12:56.53 | Charminthemoose | karsten:I think i missed something. |
| 12:57.03 | karsten | Charminthemoose: How are you bringing up the broadband connection? |
| 12:57.39 | karsten | tziku: bash -r == restricted shell. Users can't cd, can't change path. |
| 12:58.00 | Charminthemoose | karsten in my debianinstall's /libs/modules/kernelver/modules i just have a bunch of files and NO directories.while with dsl i have a bunch of directorys like kernel misc net |
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| 12:58.32 | karsten | Charminthemoose: find /lib/modules -maxdepth 3 -type d -print |
| 12:58.36 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Dump that to file and paste |
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| 12:59.35 | Charminthemoose | paths must precede expression |
| 12:59.46 | karsten | Charminthemoose: type it right. |
| 13:00.26 | Charminthemoose | http://paste.debian.net/12572 |
| 13:01.11 | karsten | Looks sane. What's the problem? |
| 13:01.20 | Charminthemoose | maybe i just panicked |
| 13:01.31 | karsten | That's in the chroot. Yeah, it's got 2.4.27 & 2.6.17 |
| 13:01.43 | karsten | Confirm that that's in the chroot? |
| 13:01.55 | Charminthemoose | yeah |
| 13:02.08 | karsten | Now where's your DSL configuration coming from. How do you bring up the interface? |
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| 13:03.01 | Charminthemoose | karsten:i couldn't tell you..... |
| 13:03.15 | Charminthemoose | it's coming from my usb. |
| 13:03.18 | Charminthemoose | or something... |
| 13:03.26 | karsten | OK |
| 13:04.13 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Is this a thing where you just plug in the USB modem/router and you've got net? |
| 13:04.14 | stoned | Jesus loves the little children |
| 13:04.18 | stoned | Good sunday morning |
| 13:04.27 | enouf | stoned : SHUTUP! |
| 13:04.31 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ... and IIRC you do *not* have an onboard NIC, confirmed? |
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| 13:04.32 | dvs | stoned: Yup, he's drunk |
| 13:04.39 | enouf | :-p |
| 13:04.40 | stoned | lol |
| 13:04.45 | stoned | ya'll are tools |
| 13:04.49 | stoned | TOOLS I tell ya |
| 13:04.51 | karsten | stoned: Isn't there a priest looking for you or something? |
| 13:04.53 | dvs | o_O |
| 13:04.54 | Charminthemoose | karsten: first question:yes second:lspci doesn't report that i don't think..... |
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| 13:05.09 | enouf | Man .. am I a TOOL - and I Wanna MOUNT! |
| 13:05.12 | Charminthemoose | nope it doesn't |
| 13:05.29 | karsten | Charminthemoose: You don't have a cat5 cable plugged in somewhere on the box itself? Just to the USB device? |
| 13:05.45 | Charminthemoose | cat5? |
| 13:05.52 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Ethernet cable. |
| 13:06.02 | stoned | its like a phone jack, but only bigger |
| 13:06.05 | stoned | rj 45 |
| 13:06.20 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Frequently blue, white, or grey, with an overzealous phone jack (RJ45 connector) at the ends. |
| 13:06.29 | Charminthemoose | um phone jack?A wire with a pice of plastic at the end? |
| 13:06.33 | enouf | Charminthemoose: but only 4 of 8 are used |
| 13:06.49 | stoned | Charminthemoose, you can lookup the picture/image of hat on google, and try to find it |
| 13:07.22 | karsten | Charminthemoose: http://www.lanshack.com/make-cat5E.aspx |
| 13:07.42 | enouf | Charminthemoose: RJ12/14/15 are phone jacks...IIRC, RJ45 are ethernet |
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| 13:08.37 | Charminthemoose | i have an extension cable that reaches around to a phone jack up stairs. |
| 13:08.48 | karsten | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_5_cable |
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| 13:09.19 | Charminthemoose | oh yes |
| 13:09.24 | Charminthemoose | one of those sons o' bitches |
| 13:09.25 | karsten | Charminthemoose: US phone jacks have a four-conductor connector, RJ45 is 8 |
| 13:09.26 | Charminthemoose | yeah. |
| 13:09.32 | Charminthemoose | got em |
| 13:09.34 | enouf | whoooppie? |
| 13:09.38 | Charminthemoose | got em coming outta my ears! |
| 13:09.40 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Plugged into the computer or into the USB router? |
| 13:10.02 | stoned | karsten, damn dude |
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| 13:10.13 | stoned | karsten, you've a very patient man |
| 13:10.16 | karsten | stoned: Don't ask. |
| 13:10.20 | enouf | Charminthemoose: If you have a USB only router .. PLEASE beat it with a 20lb sledgehammer ... thankyou |
| 13:10.35 | stoned | props man |
| 13:10.37 | Charminthemoose | why enouf? |
| 13:10.51 | karsten | enouf: and risk contaminating the sledgehammer? |
| 13:11.03 | enouf | stoned: more than you know - dude's been giving tier5 support since 2 hrs ago .. |
| 13:11.14 | realist | enouf: we have RJ11 phone connectors in .au |
| 13:11.28 | karsten | enouf: ...and watching Google Video... |
| 13:11.36 | Charminthemoose | yeah,the cat 5 plugs into my phone jack. |
| 13:11.38 | stoned | hey |
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| 13:11.40 | Charminthemoose | or equivalent thereof |
| 13:11.46 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ... and the other end? |
| 13:11.51 | stoned | you wanna see some good shit, search for Ali G. on goole video |
| 13:12.03 | enouf | realist: drats - I missed a numeric :- p ...correct though |
| 13:12.06 | stoned | Booyakasha! |
| 13:12.15 | Charminthemoose | that's a quite interesting question, |
| 13:12.28 | stoned | !cat5 |
| 13:12.28 | dpkg | cat5 is, like, a type of network cable that supports 100 mbit ethernet. It is also the name of the cat at Columbia Internet. not a very good anchor chain |
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| 13:12.34 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 13:12.35 | dpkg | i guess dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 13:12.47 | stoned | Charminthemoose, ^^ |
| 13:12.47 | karsten | Charminthemoose: How interesting can that sort of question get? |
| 13:13.21 | stoned | !rj45 |
| 13:13.22 | Charminthemoose | karsten:I couldn't see where it damn thing went |
| 13:13.25 | Charminthemoose | so to answer |
| 13:13.27 | stoned | hehe, nothing on that one |
| 13:13.34 | Charminthemoose | it plugs into my router |
| 13:13.38 | stoned | !listkeys rj45 |
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| 13:13.40 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rj45' by key (1): rj45 pinout. |
| 13:13.43 | ru | hi guys |
| 13:13.48 | stoned | !rj45pinout |
| 13:13.50 | ru | i have just hooked a sata drive into my box |
| 13:13.51 | karsten | Charminthemoose: This is somewhat important. Trying to determine if it's onboard or off. |
| 13:13.53 | ru | and im formatting it |
| 13:13.53 | stoned | !rj45 pinout |
| 13:13.54 | dpkg | methinks rj45 pinout is see: http://www.teknologi.web.id/cable/rj45%20pinout.htm |
| 13:13.57 | Charminthemoose | which in turn plugs into a usbhub which then plugs into the comp |
| 13:13.59 | ru | but for some reason no matter what i do i cant mount it |
| 13:14.01 | karsten | stoned: Take it easy. |
| 13:14.05 | karsten | Charminthemoose: OK. |
| 13:14.07 | Charminthemoose | how so karsten? |
| 13:14.09 | ru | tried formatting it with "linux" "fat 32" etc.. |
| 13:14.15 | stoned | karsten, just testing |
| 13:14.26 | karsten | Charminthemoose: So, DSL with a 2.4 kernel, runs what for USB events? |
| 13:14.28 | ru | FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors |
| 13:14.31 | stoned | probably should've taken my own advice, done it in private |
| 13:14.40 | karsten | Anyone for what preceeded hotplug? Or is hotplug being replaced by udev? |
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| 13:14.57 | Charminthemoose | hotplug to get usb devices |
| 13:15.30 | enouf | pinouts ? http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/printpage/231/ |
| 13:15.35 | dvs | karsten: hotplug is being replaced by udev |
| 13:15.45 | enouf | dvs : duh |
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| 13:16.02 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Anything intersting going on under /etc/hotplug.d/usb on DLS? |
| 13:16.08 | karsten | s/DLS/DSL/ |
| 13:16.14 | enouf | dvs : As a matter of fact - you better remove "hotplug" |
| 13:16.37 | enouf | dvs: If you have udev installed |
| 13:16.53 | karsten | enouf: We're migrating 2.4 DSL => 2.6 Debian testing |
| 13:16.54 | dvs | enouf: Hey, I didn't ask the question. |
| 13:17.01 | dkr0 | Is there some place I can go that will give me a good howto for installing Sarge as a desktop machine? |
| 13:17.12 | Charminthemoose | karsten:for some reason no.nothing's there |
| 13:17.13 | karsten | dkr0: http://www.debian.org/doc |
| 13:17.22 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Let's assume it just works then ;-) |
| 13:17.27 | enouf | dvs: well excuse me - apologies |
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| 13:17.39 | Charminthemoose | sure..... |
| 13:17.39 | dkr0 | karsten, thx |
| 13:18.10 | karsten | Charminthemoose: I'm guessing this is managed by dhcp. Install 'dhclient' for grins. You should be able to get up and running with that. |
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| 13:18.24 | ru | can anyone help me format and mount a sata drive? |
| 13:18.33 | ru | something wacky going on here |
| 13:18.59 | karsten | dkr0: There's some tasks you can install including various desktop tasks. |
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| 13:19.34 | dkr0 | karsten, as i mentioned a few hours ago, my sound is retarded. |
| 13:19.38 | dkr0 | :) |
| 13:19.39 | karsten | dkr0: ... which should give you a desktop. |
| 13:19.46 | karsten | dkr0: No can do. |
| 13:19.48 | dvs | ru: Which kernel? |
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| 13:20.01 | laimismilas | kasnor kalba lietuviskai?? |
| 13:20.08 | karsten | laimismilas: english |
| 13:20.09 | Charminthemoose | damn dhclient has no installation candidate |
| 13:20.30 | mhall | laimismilas.setLocale("en_US.UTF8"); |
| 13:20.41 | karsten | Charminthemoose: sec. |
| 13:20.43 | mhall | laimismilas.Parser.reset(); |
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| 13:21.43 | michael117 | How can I add an env var? |
| 13:21.44 | karsten | Charminthemoose: dhcp3-client |
| 13:21.51 | karsten | michael117: man bash |
| 13:21.51 | Charminthemoose | karsten:Thanks alot for your patience dude |
| 13:22.18 | mhall | michael117: export VARNAME=varvalue is what you usually want |
| 13:22.32 | mhall | michael117: but if you describe it in more detail it's easier to help |
| 13:22.57 | karsten | Charminthemoose: NP |
| 13:23.31 | Charminthemoose | karsten:'tis done |
| 13:24.01 | karsten | Charminthemoose: 'dhclient <interface>' is how you bring up an interface. If that doesn't work on the flipside you'llhave to boot Windows and sort this out. |
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| 13:24.17 | michael117 | Well, I'm actually using Ubuntu (but come here often because of quicker responses and more knowledgable people) and am trying to get this MESA driver to work for my ATI Radeon 9800pro but whenever I put in "glxinfo" I get an error referring me to this page: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6318 |
| 13:24.22 | karsten | Charminthemoose: 'ifconfig' should show you your currently configured interfaces. I'm guessing lo and eth0 ? |
| 13:24.29 | karsten | !ubuntu |
| 13:24.29 | dpkg | from memory, ubuntu is 1. Ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. A distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 13:25.02 | mhall | Can anybody tell me if the nvraid bios supports mirroring a working SATA drive without deleting the contents? |
| 13:25.07 | michael117 | r300 driver now refuses to work with r300 & r300rs based chips. |
| 13:25.07 | michael117 | R300_FORCE_R300 env var can be used to force support. |
| 13:25.12 | Charminthemoose | karsten:I just ran dhclient there and it seemed to make it work |
| 13:25.16 | SuD | hi, firefox 1.0.4-2sarge10 crashes after 3 seconds i open www.blogger.com |
| 13:25.16 | Charminthemoose | in my chroot |
| 13:25.22 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Careful with that |
| 13:25.37 | mhall | I just got a second boot disk (300 gb sata + 16 m cache seagate) for 90 USD and i'm hoping to get 100% raid on my box now |
| 13:25.41 | karsten | Charminthemoose: You've already got networking up. The server should return you the same IP however. |
| 13:25.48 | karsten | server == dhcp server. |
| 13:25.56 | nvz | <ot> I wonder why in this EBSCO Auto Repair Reference center they say L4 and V6.. I wonder wtf they use an L for a 4 cyl I guess thats the shape or direction for that matter of the movement *shrug* |
| 13:25.59 | Charminthemoose | karsten:oh right.I will :) |
| 13:26.32 | dvs | nvz: It means that the cylinders are inline |
| 13:26.41 | Charminthemoose | so is it time now for me to move dsl? |
| 13:26.47 | laimismilas | kas nors kalba lietuviskai?? |
| 13:26.54 | karsten | Charminthemoose: I don't think there's anything to move. |
| 13:26.58 | dvs | laimismilas: dasfksadk kadsf;sadjfkew t wem |
| 13:27.07 | mhall | michael117: ok there's not a whole hell of a lot we can do, but, try export R300_FORCE_R300=1 |
| 13:27.12 | mhall | michael117: then try startx |
| 13:27.28 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Hrm. Might check /var/log/messages under DSL to see what if anything happens when the interface comes up. |
| 13:27.30 | mhall | michael117: obviously, if this screws up, there's not a whole lot we can do though, since it's not debian |
| 13:28.07 | nvz | dvs: ah, I thought that might be it |
| 13:28.28 | nvz | well in any case getting the door panel off this damn ford looks like a royal PITA |
| 13:28.36 | Charminthemoose | there doesn't seem to be anything in it karsten.:S |
| 13:28.37 | dvs | nvz: I don't know what they use "L" though |
| 13:28.55 | karsten | Charminthemoose: OK. |
| 13:29.29 | karsten | Charminthemoose: you're familiar with grep and all? You may have to do some sleuthing later, just FYI. |
| 13:29.45 | karsten | Charminthemoose: are you familiar with 'screen'? |
| 13:29.47 | Charminthemoose | karsten:yeah ok |
| 13:29.50 | Charminthemoose | no sorry |
| 13:29.52 | Charminthemoose | i'm not |
| 13:30.30 | Charminthemoose | could i just do a apt-get screen? |
| 13:30.35 | Charminthemoose | or something? |
| 13:30.37 | karsten | OK. It's a terminal multiplexer. Useful if you're at console and you need to use more than one shell at a time. |
| 13:30.40 | karsten | Yes. |
| 13:30.49 | Charminthemoose | in chroot or dsl? |
| 13:31.13 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Actually, it's already installed. |
| 13:31.22 | karsten | It's in my package list. |
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| 13:31.48 | karsten | Try 'which screen' in DSL. Should be there as well. |
| 13:32.29 | Charminthemoose | Cannot access '/dev/pts/0': No such file or directory |
| 13:32.41 | Charminthemoose | i'm prolly not gonna lose sleep over it....... |
| 13:33.02 | karsten | Yeah, you'll see that in the chroot. No fears ATM. DSL? |
| 13:33.55 | Charminthemoose | what about DSL? |
| 13:34.04 | karsten | DSL == damned small linux |
| 13:34.12 | Charminthemoose | heh. |
| 13:34.35 | Charminthemoose | dsl ain't that bad. |
| 13:34.44 | karsten | Do you have screen? |
| 13:34.48 | Charminthemoose | yup. |
| 13:34.51 | karsten | OK. |
| 13:34.54 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 13:35.25 | karsten | Might want to take notes. |
| 13:36.05 | Charminthemoose | karsten:such as? |
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| 13:36.24 | karsten | This is where you move what's in DSL to a subdir, and the Debian install up to root. |
| 13:36.37 | Charminthemoose | ok |
| 13:36.58 | karsten | Charminthemoose: You're going to want to go to single-user and out of X. |
| 13:36.59 | JarJarBinks | I'm trying to use my hifn 7955 card, but I can't find any /dev/cryptodev, or any kernel options that match hifn, can you give me a pointer on what to read? |
| 13:37.27 | Charminthemoose | karsten:right |
| 13:37.36 | Charminthemoose | as in to run level 2? |
| 13:37.48 | karsten | Charminthemoose: 1. |
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| 13:37.58 | Charminthemoose | ok |
| 13:38.20 | Charminthemoose | what's the command to switch runlevels again? |
| 13:38.34 | karsten | Charminthemoose: I'm going to give this to you structured. |
| 13:38.36 | karsten | One soc. |
| 13:38.38 | karsten | sec. |
| 13:38.39 | SuD | init 2 |
| 13:38.52 | Charminthemoose | thanks SuD |
| 13:39.12 | karsten | Charminthemoose: What's in / of DSL? |
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| 13:39.32 | Charminthemoose | all of my files including /debianinstall |
| 13:39.32 | SuD | anyone with debian sarge can try open www.blogger.com (not identified) with firefox or konqueror and wait a minute to see if it crashes or it is only me? |
| 13:41.48 | Charminthemoose | ping |
| 13:41.51 | karsten | Charminthemoose: List 'em and post. |
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| 13:42.54 | [by]upsa | how i can configure pam to use pam_ldap module to enable ssh service for members from one (signle) group ? i googled and googled but unfortunetely without any result |
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| 13:43.39 | Charminthemoose | http://paste.debian.net/12573 |
| 13:44.18 | karsten | Charminthemoose: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3682 |
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| 13:44.29 | karsten | Charminthemoose: and anyone who's been watching, critique |
| 13:45.00 | [by]upsa | maybe somebody configured openldap+pam_ldap+(ssh|another service) on debian |
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| 13:47.07 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Updated with that file list: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3683 |
| 13:47.13 | karsten | nvz: Here? |
| 13:47.50 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Key points. 'shutdown now' (without options) takes you to single-user (maintenance) mode. |
| 13:48.24 | karsten | Charminthemoose: sash allows you to run other commands but has its own built-in commands as well. You're OK so long as you're in that shell. Don't quit it until you're done. |
| 13:48.47 | Charminthemoose | ok. |
| 13:49.01 | Charminthemoose | one thing though |
| 13:49.19 | karsten | Charminthemoose: You need to swap contents of / from what they are now to what's under /debiantarget. Two steps. In the middle of that, your system is basically hosed, except for your sash process. |
| 13:49.22 | karsten | Shoot. |
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| 13:50.05 | Charminthemoose | how do i specify for all those direcorys to go to /dslinstall?if it's like -mv /bin /boot /cdrom /dev /etc /floppy /home /lib /mnt /none /opt /proc /root /sbin /sys /tmp /usr /var /dslinstall |
| 13:50.21 | karsten | Yes. |
| 13:50.24 | Charminthemoose | i don't think i get to specify for it to move to /dslinstall or am i just reading it wrong? |
| 13:50.36 | tux | hello, everyone |
| 13:50.46 | karsten | Charminthemoose: mv moves all prior arguments to the last arument. |
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| 13:50.53 | Charminthemoose | oh right |
| 13:51.01 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ... so it's move (n-1) to n |
| 13:51.22 | karsten | Provided the last argument is a directory. If it's a file, well, it gets unpleasent. |
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| 13:51.54 | Charminthemoose | i'll be back..... |
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| 13:52.10 | karsten | Hope so! |
| 13:52.21 | Charminthemoose | let's just pray to god i've done everything.... |
| 13:52.28 | Charminthemoose | see ya'll later |
| 13:52.30 | karsten | OK. |
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| 13:54.02 | random_user | hi! anyone there uses apt-build? |
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| 13:55.19 | karsten | !tell random_user about ask |
| 13:56.59 | tux | hehe |
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| 13:57.19 | Charminthemoose | i'm ah back.... |
| 13:57.22 | tux | is there a official kernel supporting hibernate |
| 13:57.29 | epsilon | I compiled proftpd from source using libssl-dev, which has been now updated... Do I need to re-compile proftpd? |
| 13:57.41 | roym | hi folks: what do I do to get lvm2 working in a 2.6 kernel (modprobe lvm-mod fails). |
| 13:57.47 | tux | esp. i can hibernate via the gnome logoff dialog, like in ubuntu ... |
| 13:58.07 | Charminthemoose | runlevel 1 farked up and complained that there are no more processes left in this runlevel. |
| 13:58.12 | Charminthemoose | tsk.i'm annoyed |
| 13:58.20 | tux | right now I use a ubuntu 5.10 kernel in my testing.... |
| 13:58.34 | karsten | Charminthemoose: exit the chroot first. |
| 13:58.37 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Sorry. |
| 13:58.53 | tux | I want to hibernate, anyone there? |
| 13:59.07 | Charminthemoose | would it be feasible for me to do it with a floppy rescue disk? |
| 13:59.14 | Charminthemoose | such as tomsrtbt? |
| 13:59.25 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Yes. |
| 13:59.36 | karsten | Charminthemoose: That's actually a very viable recovery option. |
| 13:59.49 | Charminthemoose | well,here i go again. |
| 14:00.27 | tux | anyone hibernate in debian? |
| 14:00.35 | karsten | !tell tux about repeat |
| 14:00.42 | tux | ćĺďź |
| 14:00.58 | karsten | !tell tux about acpi |
| 14:01.15 | karsten | !tell tux about suspend |
| 14:01.32 | jelly-home | does tell work at all? |
| 14:01.41 | karsten | tux: Mixed results myself. Suspend works. Resume doesn't. Kernel suspend2 patch is apparently required. |
| 14:01.53 | karsten | !tell jelly-home about ask |
| 14:01.56 | karsten | jelly-home: Yes ;-) |
| 14:02.01 | jelly-home | oh, it does |
| 14:02.13 | karsten | jelly-home: you can tell yourself as well. |
| 14:02.20 | jelly-home | it didn't work for dpkg_ |
| 14:02.29 | karsten | jelly-home: Though msging bots is recommended. |
| 14:03.22 | roym | !tell roym about acpi |
| 14:03.56 | ru | is it possible to force an umount? |
| 14:03.56 | roym | /? |
| 14:04.04 | ru | umount -f doesnt cut it |
| 14:04.12 | karsten | ru: Not generally. |
| 14:04.19 | karsten | ru: You may be able to remount read-only. |
| 14:04.24 | ru | grr |
| 14:04.26 | ru | its so annoying |
| 14:04.34 | karsten | ru: Also 'fuser -mv <mountpoint>' to show any active processes. |
| 14:04.53 | tux | karsten, thank you, i mean software suspend. Is there an official kernel that has suspend2 support? |
| 14:04.54 | ru | yeah |
| 14:04.55 | karsten | ru: Mind that mounts beneath a mountpoint, particularly mounts from within a chroot, will prevent a umount. |
| 14:04.58 | ru | thanks |
| 14:05.06 | karsten | tux: NFC, sorry. |
| 14:05.35 | karsten | tux: Not in debian testing/unstable AFAIK. There was stuff in experimental per docs a few weeks ago, but old and possibly nonfunctional. |
| 14:05.47 | ru | ffs it doesnt show anything mounted |
| 14:05.56 | ru | it shows that nothing is accessing mount |
| 14:05.59 | karsten | tux: Martin Krafft seems to be the source on this. |
| 14:06.00 | ru | but i still cant umount it |
| 14:06.01 | ru | wtf? |
| 14:06.11 | karsten | ru: Try mount -o remount,ro <mountpoint> |
| 14:06.22 | karsten | ru: What device? PHysical or network filesystem? |
| 14:06.31 | ru | physical |
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| 14:06.54 | karsten | ru: 'sync; sync; syn; shutdown -r now' is the general hail-mary. |
| 14:07.34 | ru | godamnit its frustrating |
| 14:07.39 | ru | such a damn waste of tiem |
| 14:07.52 | marsje | Hi all. I installed Ubuntu 6.06 and now I want to try out xfce. So I used Synaptic to install Xubuntu-desktop. But now how do I use it (so it starts with xfce)? |
| 14:07.53 | karsten | ru: any dmesg or other log errors? |
| 14:08.00 | ru | nope |
| 14:08.00 | karsten | !ubuntu |
| 14:08.00 | dpkg | [ubuntu] 1. Ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. A distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 14:08.02 | ru | nothing in there |
| 14:08.05 | karsten | marsje: /join #ubuntu |
| 14:08.13 | roym | Anyone see this in a 2.6 kernel: |
| 14:08.13 | roym | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.14 | roym | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.41 | tralala | I can't configure Debian... that's a good one :) |
| 14:08.44 | roym | I have dm-mod installed loaded already... |
| 14:08.51 | ru | short of ripping this drive out of the box im not seeing how i can get this damn thing unmounted |
| 14:09.04 | jelly-home | ru: also lsof | grep mountpoint , as fuser sometimes doesn't show everything |
| 14:09.05 | jelly-home | tux: have you tried swsusp (the in-kernel suspend feature) first? |
| 14:09.30 | jelly-home | roym: are you sure it's called lvm-mod in 2.6? |
| 14:09.31 | marsje | oops karsten, I automatically joined debian... habit.. |
| 14:09.39 | ru | nothing in there jelly-home |
| 14:10.16 | roym | jelly-home: not sure, but the only way I know I have lvm2 is to test for /proc/lvm and I don't have it. |
| 14:10.19 | tux | karsten, thank you. I just searched in Packages.bz2 of experimental branch, seems no suspend related stuff. |
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| 14:10.32 | karsten | tux: One sec. |
| 14:10.48 | roym | at least, that's how you do it in 2.4, right? |
| 14:11.24 | karsten | tux: http://www.gatago.com/linux/debian/laptop/14612189.html |
| 14:11.52 | tux | jelly-home, i once compiled a kernel with suspend2 patch, but it won't work for me. It's frustrating and i give up. |
| 14:12.55 | jelly-home | tux: why do you want suspend2 anyway, swsusp doesn't work for you? |
| 14:14.11 | jelly-home | roym: I can't find any module named *lvm* for my generic 2.6, could be it's called differently? |
| 14:14.59 | tux | jelly-home, http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ 's homepage is redirected to http://www.suspend2.net/. Isn't suspend2 and swsusp the same? |
| 14:15.12 | jelly-home | tux: nope. |
| 14:15.15 | roym | jelly-home: I guess I'm on the wrong track then - let me dig into how one does lvm in 2.6. |
| 14:16.18 | jelly-home | tux: swsusp is already in the kernel. suspend2 is a patch that provides same things and more, and is not in mainline yet (and probably never will be :-|) |
| 14:16.25 | Piet | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ |
| 14:17.37 | tux | karsten, I will give it a try later. It's too late here. Only if I will be able to hibernate via the gnome logoff dialog.... |
| 14:17.44 | karsten | tux: Ok. |
| 14:18.12 | tux | jelly-home, Thank you! |
| 14:19.25 | nvz | ugh.. the electric windows on that damn ford are rediculous. I got it moving again but probably not for long. the motor pulls a steel cable that is retained by cheap 1/8" if that plastic retainers which have broken and from the crackling sound when you move the window been eaten by the motor |
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| 14:21.14 | nvz | I am half tempted to take the whole works apart and put a steel washer in there and it will never break again |
| 14:21.46 | karsten | nvz: How old's the car? |
| 14:21.51 | nvz | 1995 |
| 14:22.58 | roym | jelly-home: lvm works fine in 2.6 - I guess there is no more /proc/lvm dir (that's what threw me off). |
| 14:23.02 | nvz | it was a PITA but I got the window up the retainers hold the tension on the cable similar to the cables used on mountain bikes.. cept even on a cheap $50 mountain bike the retainers are metal |
| 14:24.06 | nvz | on here they are plastic and they broke then when someone rolled the window down it sucked them into the motor and they got further broken into pieces by the tension of the motor pulling them in with the cable so now not only is there not enough tension on the cable but the motor is full of broken plastic |
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| 14:25.03 | nvz | I could goto dicks and buy mountain bike parts and fix this for less than what they'd charge to do it "right" with the ford parts and it would never break again |
| 14:25.13 | jelly-home | roym: ah, so. There's probably some equivalent in /sys |
| 14:25.24 | cahoot | nvz: this is Ford Debian? |
| 14:25.48 | jetscreamer | is that like ford prefect or from motor company |
| 14:25.50 | nvz | no but everyone should if they dont already know that fords suck and you are better off staying clear of them |
| 14:25.58 | jelly-home | cahoot: I guess he's going to build a beowulf cluster of those. :-> |
| 14:26.09 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 14:26.32 | cahoot | ford debian actually has a ring to it |
| 14:26.45 | nvz | more like Debian GNU/Ford |
| 14:26.56 | ootput | Fnord |
| 14:27.09 | jetscreamer | i heard on the radio.... the quality assurance that the japanese manufacturers use, from way back towards the beginning, what makes their vehicles superior, was offered to and rejected by the big 3 first |
| 14:27.11 | nvz | apt-get install metal-window-cable-retainers |
| 14:27.24 | nvz | E: no installation candidate |
| 14:27.49 | jetscreamer | it would have cost too much money |
| 14:28.05 | cahoot | nvz: no that was dropped a few releases ago |
| 14:28.31 | nvz | yeah I hate to think of the more serious problems with this car. |
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| 14:29.00 | nvz | like why you keep putting coolant in and it keeps dissapearing, or the sound in the breaks, the suspension, and the transmission |
| 14:29.13 | nvz | I thought I ran someone over the other day then realized it was just a hard shift |
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| 14:29.56 | nvz | all I can say is I am glad my grandmother got another car cause this one is shit |
| 14:31.01 | nvz | damn |
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| 14:31.11 | roue | hi folks |
| 14:31.16 | jetscreamer | it's falling apart though, if that helps |
| 14:31.25 | nvz | I thought ford and chevy had a 36,000 mile limit |
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| 14:32.27 | nvz | I need to find myself another volvo something worth fixing. I've been dreaming of a mercedes but they arent easy to work on either. |
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| 14:32.31 | ru | i managed to get the thing unmounted finally |
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| 14:32.32 | ru | did a reboot |
| 14:32.36 | roym | Hi all, is it possible to mount a compressed fs-image using loopback (without first uncompressing)? |
| 14:32.46 | ru | how do you mount a fat32 dir to a specific user |
| 14:32.55 | ru | I know u can set perms using dmask |
| 14:33.02 | ru | but i want to assign the drive to my user "ru" |
| 14:33.15 | roue | I'm trying to install sarge on a new box. the new box has a jmicron sata controller that the 2.6.8 kernel sarge ships with doesn't recognize. I've booted the gentoo 2006.1 live cd and it sees the drives and my nic. I'm on the network and can fdisk / mkfs the sata HD. how should I get sarge installed from here? thanks. |
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| 14:33.57 | nvz | ru: I dont know wtf a dmask is, and I would even go so far as to suspect you made that shit up. What I would do it put it in fstab with the uid=1000,gid=1000,user options |
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| 14:34.17 | ru | nvz lol |
| 14:34.25 | ru | "man mount" |
| 14:34.30 | ru | go down to the options for fat |
| 14:34.32 | nvz | ru: I think though I am not all too sure that with "user" it will automatically set the mount point and fs to the user who mounts it |
| 14:34.35 | ru | you''ll see dmask option |
| 14:34.47 | nvz | ru: but if you have it set to auto it would be root that mounts it |
| 14:34.50 | ru | ye but my user doesnt have access to mount |
| 14:34.54 | ru | only root can |
| 14:34.55 | jetscreamer | heh... abrotman.v2 http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/chips/0,39020354,2136041,00.htm |
| 14:35.09 | jetscreamer | hit / search for dmask |
| 14:35.23 | nvz | ru: ah, its like umask for dirs.. thats got nothing to do with what you are talking about.. |
| 14:35.25 | jetscreamer | that's mine isn't it |
| 14:35.50 | nvz | ru: umask is for created files, see the vfat section you would use the uid/gid options |
| 14:35.55 | jetscreamer | /dev/hda1/zmnt/hda1vfatauto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 |
| 14:35.58 | ru | aah i figured it out |
| 14:36.01 | ru | u just usr uid |
| 14:36.02 | ru | :) |
| 14:36.03 | jetscreamer | it works for ntfs also |
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| 14:36.17 | jetscreamer | you wanna tweak the fmask and dmask though |
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| 14:36.32 | ru | coo thanks |
| 14:36.35 | jetscreamer | nvz you don't know f&d mask? |
| 14:37.06 | jetscreamer | it's only documented in the fat section iirc but works in ntfs and vfat.. or so |
| 14:37.19 | ru | is it better to put things to auto-mount into /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 14:37.23 | ru | or into /etc/fstab? |
| 14:37.40 | jetscreamer | that was a line from my fstab, all i can tell you |
| 14:38.26 | jetscreamer | not sure how it works for creation though |
| 14:38.55 | jetscreamer | i also chown the mount points when it's not mounted |
| 14:39.01 | ru | ye |
| 14:40.28 | jetscreamer | roym: they mount those cloop images all the time for the live cd's , all i know |
| 14:41.34 | nvz | jetscreamer: no I've never even used umask, but I at least knew about it |
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| 14:42.05 | nvz | jetscreamer: regaurdless it has nothing to do with permissions to access a mounted fs of any type. i know that. |
| 14:42.07 | jetscreamer | i found it works when i couldn't get ntfs to mount for anybody but root |
| 14:42.28 | jetscreamer | well it does downlevel |
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| 14:43.15 | jetscreamer | lik=i mounted something, got to cd to the / of it, but couldn't go further |
| 14:43.18 | Charminthemoose | tsk |
| 14:43.23 | Charminthemoose | i'm back.(again) |
| 14:43.24 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Welcome back. |
| 14:43.28 | jetscreamer | this was >1 year ago so i forget exactly |
| 14:43.30 | Charminthemoose | yo karsten |
| 14:43.38 | karsten | Charminthemoose: How goes? |
| 14:43.39 | jetscreamer | i think it was woody |
| 14:43.43 | Charminthemoose | it sucks. |
| 14:43.46 | Charminthemoose | grub paniced |
| 14:43.49 | Charminthemoose | panicked |
| 14:44.00 | Charminthemoose | despite everything being there |
| 14:44.11 | roym | jetscreamer: found it... thanks. |
| 14:44.11 | roym | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.12 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Feh. Where'd it panic? Unable to mount root filesystem? |
| 14:44.12 | roym | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:44.18 | biz | hi i've two harddisks, one is the old one and the other is new, bigger and actually not formatted. how would i copy the whole system from the old disk onto the new one? e.g. the whole content to get a running system afterwards? (shutdown, plug out the old one, plug in the new one as hda..) dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb? |
| 14:44.26 | Charminthemoose | admittiedly i did do cp * /mnt/ |
| 14:44.43 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ?? |
| 14:44.44 | jetscreamer | biz easiest for me is i boot a live cd and jsut cp -a |
| 14:45.00 | jetscreamer | i get problems with /proc if i'm booted into it |
| 14:45.04 | Charminthemoose | grub came up with:Error 15: loading grub stage 1.5 and then it died. |
| 14:45.17 | karsten | Charminthemoose: You copied what to /mnt/ ? |
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| 14:45.45 | karsten | Charminthemoose: 1.5 error is your grub config can't be found. |
| 14:45.49 | Charminthemoose | karsten:i copied everything from /mnt/debianinstall to /mnt because |
| 14:45.53 | jetscreamer | you want to install grub fromthe grub prompt.. hit c next time you boot and see the grub screen, then type help |
| 14:46.02 | Charminthemoose | i mounted it on /mnt |
| 14:46.04 | Charminthemoose | hda2 |
| 14:46.25 | jetscreamer | trying to cp a running installation doesn't work for me |
| 14:46.28 | jetscreamer | oh i said that nm |
| 14:46.36 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Booting from what? tom's root boot or when you were single-user? |
| 14:46.46 | Charminthemoose | i was booting from tom's root boot |
| 14:46.50 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 14:47.02 | Charminthemoose | maybe i should've tried mv * |
| 14:47.10 | karsten | Charminthemoose: So you copied from /mnt/hda2/debianinstall to /mnt/hda2 ? |
| 14:47.25 | Charminthemoose | yeah |
| 14:47.30 | karsten | Charminthemoose: From debianinstall, 'mv * ..' would work regardless of mountpoint. |
| 14:47.40 | biz | what about just booting a from a livecd, using dd and then reboot? with cp -a, i'm sure you have to reboot again into the live cd after the hardware has been replugged into place and write the MBR first |
| 14:47.56 | Charminthemoose | oh btw karsten,we never got to do the thing with the initrd did we? |
| 14:48.02 | Charminthemoose | making grub see it? |
| 14:48.03 | karsten | Charminthemoose: I've really got to pack it in, maybe someone else can get you sorted. So long as the directory tree exists, it's relatively soluble. |
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| 14:48.12 | Charminthemoose | kk |
| 14:48.15 | Charminthemoose | Bye karsten |
| 14:48.19 | karsten | Charminthemoose: your initrds exist, the installers created them. |
| 14:48.26 | Charminthemoose | thanks for everything! |
| 14:48.33 | karsten | Charminthemoose: So I think we're OK there. Make sure the're nonzero sized. |
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| 14:48.47 | karsten | Charminthemoose: You can use tomsrootboot to sort this out. |
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| 14:49.09 | jetscreamer | biz that sounds functional.. but i never tested it |
| 14:49.40 | jetscreamer | uh you can tell grub to use your existing menu.lst from the grub shell |
| 14:50.12 | jetscreamer | i'm no grub guru though |
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| 14:52.18 | jetscreamer | i'm ass-u-me-ing tom';s uses grub |
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| 14:52.48 | karsten | jetscreamer: it doesn't |
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| 14:53.05 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 14:53.24 | jetscreamer | everybody should make a grub-floppy |
| 14:53.35 | jetscreamer | or memstick |
| 14:53.49 | jetscreamer | grubfloppies rock |
| 14:54.38 | Charminthemoose | hm,so i should've mved the files instead of cping them?would that have gotten rid of various no such file or directory errors maybe? |
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| 14:54.57 | jetscreamer | cp -a should get everything |
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| 14:55.18 | nvz | man these dictionary.com words of the day I got on my homepage are so difficult or silly to say I couldnt imagine actually using them |
| 14:55.43 | nvz | heh |
| 14:56.36 | jetscreamer | how high was the window |
| 14:56.44 | jetscreamer | http://m-w.com/dictionary/defenestrates |
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| 14:57.16 | nvz | asg's ability to confuse nvz with big words seems to have a certain verisimilitude |
| 14:57.25 | nvz | say that one a few times.. I can hardly say it once |
| 14:57.46 | jetscreamer | asg is innovative! |
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| 14:58.32 | ootput | nvz: ever since the screening of the original American Pie, I've been hearing that one a lot |
| 14:59.02 | nvz | of course I was sitting here reading labels on my various forms of incecticide a mintue ago and wondered how the hell you'd pronounce tetrachlorvinphos |
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| 14:59.37 | nvz | the rvi and nph got me puzzled |
| 14:59.48 | jetscreamer | chlor-vin-phos |
| 14:59.59 | asg | tetra-chlor-vin-puh-hos |
| 15:00.24 | jetscreamer | well phosphorous everybody knows THAT :) |
| 15:00.50 | Bigger_Wolf | I'm trying to network two computers together by just connecting them with a network cable (no router or anything), how do I do that? |
| 15:01.05 | cahoot | nvz: looks like a substane you want to avoid |
| 15:01.07 | jetscreamer | you need a crossover cable not a regular cat5or6 one |
| 15:01.36 | asg | or two regulars and a hub |
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| 15:01.42 | jetscreamer | wht he said |
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| 15:02.55 | wols_ | Bigger_Wolf: use a cross over cable and edit your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:03.20 | wols_ | use a static IP and put both PCs int he same subnet (192.168.1.x) |
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| 15:03.48 | wols_ | jetscreamer: NICs often aren't |
| 15:04.04 | nvz | Z)-2-chloro-1-(2,4,5-trichlorophenyl) vinyl dimethyl phosphate o.O |
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| 15:04.23 | wols_ | nvz: don't drink and spell it |
| 15:05.19 | nvz | cahoot: yeah its a class C carcinogen and I wouldnt want to get my cholinesterase inhibited whatever the hell that means |
| 15:06.03 | Bigger_Wolf | so I guess I have to head down to the store and buy a new cable, huh |
| 15:06.23 | jetscreamer | wols_: yeah, plus i know nothing == /me doesn't even think about it |
| 15:06.24 | cahoot | nvz: only that you'll get some more or less fatal spasms |
| 15:06.38 | nvz | has no neurotoxisity but the normocytic anemia and plasma cholinesterase inhibition sounds interesting |
| 15:07.14 | nvz | I could sit here and read these EPA fact sheets all day with no clue wtf half of it means |
| 15:07.48 | wols_ | nvz: sounds like the stuff the splits up your cholesterol |
| 15:08.23 | wols_ | you only don't understand half? you must have studied a few years chemistry already |
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| 15:09.24 | nvz | well my high school chem teacher is a distant cousin of mine, and I got a friend who is a physics major and another is an engineer..so I got people to explain science stuff to me |
| 15:10.05 | eusto | what is the best way to add a new partition to my system (I've added a new hdd and i don't know what to do next) |
| 15:10.06 | eusto | ? |
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| 15:10.36 | asg | eusto: man fdisk, man mkfs |
| 15:10.40 | wols_ | eusto: create partitions with fdisk, format the partition(s), edit fstab to permanently add it to your system |
| 15:10.46 | nvz | I am finally starting to understand what he was talking about that day he was all geeked about his theory of relativity.. of course there isnt anyone who would really despute einstine was wrong but not everyone has their own theory |
| 15:11.32 | nvz | I am half tempted to jump on the string theory bandwagon myself :P |
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| 15:11.42 | eusto | wols_: it has already been partitioned, and i know about editing fstab. I was wondering if there are other ways..Thanks |
| 15:11.54 | Charminthemoose | i just realised something:My boot directory doesn't have stage1 and stage2 of grub |
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| 15:13.14 | Goga777 | I can't run my optical usb mouse Genius Power Scroll . I downloaded modules - musedev usbmouse , in xorg.cfg there's strings Option "Protocol" "auto" |
| 15:13.16 | Goga777 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:13.39 | Goga777 | I work under debian testing |
| 15:13.55 | dimir | kernel 2.6? |
| 15:14.09 | Goga777 | yes |
| 15:14.15 | Goga777 | 2/6.8 |
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| 15:14.36 | roym | I notice that dmesg doesn't print out the errors messages (things like |
| 15:14.36 | roym | "not found"... ) How can I get it to do that? |
| 15:14.39 | dimir | mouse not working at all just or scroll doesn't? |
| 15:14.47 | dimir | s/just or/or just/ |
| 15:15.19 | dimir | Goga777: does it work in console? |
| 15:15.40 | Goga777 | dimir, - mouse work only in vertical |
| 15:16.06 | Goga777 | i don't knoe how to run mouse in concole |
| 15:16.15 | Goga777 | know |
| 15:16.23 | Goga777 | unforunally |
| 15:16.24 | dimir | Goga777: try changing protocol "auto" to "IMPS/2" |
| 15:16.33 | Goga777 | I tried |
| 15:16.50 | Goga777 | without result |
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| 15:17.57 | tralala | Goga777: try to fit more that 3 words a line |
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| 15:18.44 | Goga777 | tralala, - sorry - dont understand you |
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| 15:19.19 | blondie | Goga777: press Return less frequently. |
| 15:19.26 | tralala | Goga777: don't hit <enter> that much. Write everything you want to say on a sigle line |
| 15:19.37 | Goga777 | jr |
| 15:19.40 | Goga777 | ok |
| 15:19.48 | blondie | You just did it again! :O |
| 15:20.08 | tralala | Goga777: is this mouse actually working? Have you tried it on another PC/OS? |
| 15:21.21 | Goga777 | tralala, it mouse work on that computer under FC3 |
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| 15:21.40 | CosmoDad | no matter what I do, I cannot use /dev/nd0 like I'd use /dev/hdc (the cdrom), although filesystem-mode works fine |
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| 15:28.56 | jetscreamer | does nfs need mbd? (different subjject) |
| 15:28.59 | jetscreamer | err ndb |
| 15:29.39 | CosmoDad | do you mean nbd? |
| 15:29.44 | CosmoDad | if so: no |
| 15:30.17 | CosmoDad | but AFAICS, you can rip tracks only "raw" |
| 15:31.00 | jelly-home | Hi, I have vesafb and intelfb compiled in kernel, is there a way to disable vesa and make the kernel use the other fb driver? If not, is there a way to choose a particular fb module from initrd? |
| 15:33.04 | JarJarBinks | CosmoDad: ssh yo.ur.ip.hr abcde ?? |
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| 15:38.31 | Azoff | nvz: hi again |
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| 15:38.44 | Azoff | nvz: just wanted to let you know that I have fixed my issue |
| 15:39.04 | Azoff | nvz: I just needed to add 'eepro100' to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
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| 15:39.58 | Azoff | nvz: so, before next time you spit in someones face, have in mind that they can have right too... |
| 15:40.02 | Azoff | nvz: have a nice day |
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| 15:42.24 | ChEnChO | hi |
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| 15:43.53 | jetscreamer | nvz you're popular today |
| 15:44.02 | Charminthemoose | everytime i boot up my 2.4.27 kernel i get the message that 'dev/console' does not exist.any tips? |
| 15:44.26 | jetscreamer | somebody said the fix to that the other day lemme grep my logs |
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| 15:45.10 | Charminthemoose | and it proceeds to hang |
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| 15:45.31 | rudenstam | I got a process that I want to kill that doesn't die with kill -9 ... any tips ? |
| 15:46.02 | pumpkin0 | rudenstam: what does "ps aux | grep <processname>" say ? |
| 15:46.36 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: does /dev/console exist? (I assume no udev, devfs or other nastiness) |
| 15:47.01 | rudenstam | pumpkin0: it's a /usr/bin/find that won't die... think it was started by updatedb (which I killed but didn't help) |
| 15:47.09 | Charminthemoose | /dev/console does exist |
| 15:47.15 | rudenstam | pumpkin0: the parameter list for the find is _long_ |
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| 15:47.26 | Charminthemoose | but i find it scary that it's dev/console not /dev/console |
| 15:47.34 | rudenstam | pumpkin0: should I paste it all here ? |
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| 15:47.47 | pumpkin0 | rudenstam: the "STAT" colum is important, the rest does not matter. |
| 15:47.57 | rudenstam | pumpkin0: D |
| 15:48.08 | jetscreamer | Sep 09 02:19:32 <karsten> soot: Make a proper initrd, if this is at boot. |
| 15:48.26 | jetscreamer | Charminthemoose: ^^ |
| 15:48.31 | pumpkin0 | rudenstam: bad. Do you have any problems with your HD´s ? have you mounted an NFS ? |
| 15:49.25 | rudenstam | pumpkin0: hd trouble, not that I'm aware of... NFS ... yes.. tunneled through ssh |
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| 15:49.40 | Charminthemoose | how do i again? |
| 15:50.18 | pumpkin0 | rudenstam: D = blocked in I/O-op. if the NFS fails or hangs everything tring to read from it will go D and stay there. Reboot is the only way out. |
| 15:50.42 | rudenstam | pumpkin0: no way to fix the NFS ? |
| 15:50.45 | rudenstam | without rebooting |
| 15:51.34 | jetscreamer | Charminthemoose: i don't know i hate and don't use initrd |
| 15:51.39 | pumpkin0 | rudenstam: you can remount the NFS under another mountpoint. |
| 15:51.43 | jetscreamer | well i don't hate it |
| 15:52.32 | rudenstam | pumpkin0: oh well.. thnx for the help.. need to get hold of the guy with physical access then.. as I know it does not boot without some f1 tapping :) |
| 15:53.09 | pumpkin0 | rudenstam: try to kill the ssh and hope for the best. |
| 15:53.41 | rudenstam | pumpkin0: already tried without luck :) |
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| 15:55.43 | pumpkin0 | rudenstam: broken mounts (bad HD, bad NFS-Server) are one of the rare cases where a reboot is the best way. good luck |
| 15:56.11 | rudenstam | thnx |
| 15:56.12 | rudenstam | :) |
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| 15:57.55 | ttl- | hi everyone |
| 15:58.05 | ttl- | i have a problem with vim |
| 15:58.23 | ttl- | there is no syntax highlighting anymore |
| 15:58.37 | ttl- | this happened after dist upgrade |
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| 15:59.39 | ttl- | gvim gives an error |
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| 16:00.08 | ttl- | Error detected while processing /usr/share/vim/vim70/menu.vim: |
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| 16:04.24 | rudenstam | pumpkin0: reboot went fine surprisingly.. :) |
| 16:04.37 | ttl- | i'm using debian etch |
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| 16:05.29 | coach | hi@all |
| 16:05.43 | pumpkin0 | rudenstam: try to find out why the connection crashed.. before it happens again. |
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| 16:05.44 | coach | i've got a problem with compiling conky |
| 16:05.55 | coach | ( i never compiled anything before, so^^) |
| 16:05.57 | tziku | hello i have a domain and name server, how can i make vhosts ? forword and reverse... |
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| 16:08.11 | dendrite | tziku: Your question is best answered by reading a bit of documentation, and perhaps asking much more specific questions here. |
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| 16:09.13 | pumpkin0 | coach: what is the error-msg ? what do you have installed/downloaded ? |
| 16:09.14 | coach | qry me, plz |
| 16:09.22 | coach | ^^ |
| 16:09.25 | coach | w8... |
| 16:10.36 | coach | i have downloaded libxext-dev and lm-sensor |
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| 16:10.45 | roberts | Hmm, 2.6.17 hit testing? |
| 16:10.52 | coach | and pastebin is currently not answering^^ |
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| 16:11.31 | coach | i'm running a 2-4-27-2 |
| 16:11.41 | coach | 2.4.27-2^^ |
| 16:12.33 | coach | is there a way to get the terminal output into a file? |
| 16:12.49 | pumpkin0 | coach: lm-sensor needs a kernel-patch/rebuild. That is not that easy. start with "apt-get source lm-sensor" "apt-get build-dep lm-sensor". |
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| 16:12.55 | pumpkin0 | coach: "command > file" |
| 16:12.57 | yoo | hi ! |
| 16:13.13 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.20 | yoo | i can't restart inet services |
| 16:13.46 | yoo | Which package install /etc/init.d/inetd ? |
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| 16:14.31 | ttl- | is there a way to completely (all files) reinstall vim |
| 16:14.42 | coach | pumpkin0, he can't find sources for that |
| 16:14.55 | ttl- | because during dist-upgrade i kept the old vim configs |
| 16:15.07 | ttl- | and i think it has something to do with it |
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| 16:15.10 | pumpkin0 | ttl-: tell apt-get to pruge vim and install it again. |
| 16:15.39 | pumpkin0 | coach: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=lm-sensor&searchon=sourcenames&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 16:15.49 | ttl- | pumpkin0: that does not remove the files in /etc/vim/ |
| 16:16.10 | pumpkin0 | coach: lm-sensors, with a s at the end. |
| 16:16.39 | coach | ahhh... |
| 16:16.43 | ttl- | pumpkin0: and if i delete the files in /etc/vim and reinstall it puts nothing there |
| 16:16.45 | coach | it works^^ |
| 16:16.59 | pumpkin0 | ttl-: did you try "--purge" ? |
| 16:17.04 | ttl- | pumpkin0: yes |
| 16:17.16 | coach | ok, now apt-get build-dep lm-sensors? |
| 16:17.24 | pumpkin0 | coach: right |
| 16:17.35 | coach | kk |
| 16:17.46 | ttl- | pumpkin0: it seems syntax higlighting does not work anymore but it is turned on |
| 16:18.28 | coach | pumpkin0, build-dep is to get all the packages needed by lm-sensors? |
| 16:18.33 | pumpkin0 | ttl-: what does "dpkg -S /etc/vim" say ? |
| 16:18.35 | ttl- | so for now i copied the old files back to /etc/vim/ |
| 16:18.41 | coach | (i#m very new to linux^^) |
| 16:18.59 | pumpkin0 | coach: it fetches all files/header/codes you need to compile lm-sensors. |
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| 16:19.19 | pumpkin0 | coach: it´s a LOT if you compile something for the first time. |
| 16:19.54 | ttl- | pumpkin0: vim-gui-common, vim-common: /etc/vim |
| 16:20.19 | pumpkin0 | ttl-: did you --purge / install these packages too ? |
| 16:20.20 | coach | pumpkin0, yes, about 4omb... |
| 16:20.24 | coach | 40^^ |
| 16:20.28 | ttl- | pumpkin0: no |
| 16:20.34 | ttl- | pumpkin0: i try |
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| 16:22.04 | coach | btw, does anyone know a good site where i can get nice glass/crystal .xpm's and .png's for my menu and my desktop? |
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| 16:22.37 | andrew_p | hi |
| 16:23.05 | pumpkin0 | coach: btw.: why do you want to compile conky ? all you need to get conky running is "apt-get install conky". |
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| 16:23.08 | andrew_p | could anydoby please remind me how should i learn what package does the certain file belong to? |
| 16:23.19 | pumpkin0 | andrew_p: dpkg -S filename |
| 16:23.25 | epsilon | how do I install ClamAV in debian? the updater complains my version (sarge's clamav) is outdated |
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| 16:23.25 | coach | no, i don't have it in my apt-cache |
| 16:23.40 | coach | so, i'm running stable |
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| 16:24.05 | andrew_p | thanks, pumpkin0 |
| 16:24.58 | pumpkin0 | coach: OK ... lm-sensors, conky and stable do not really mix. what is the goal, what do you want to display ? |
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| 16:25.28 | coach | pumpkin0, dunno, some cool-looking things like temperature, usage and fan-speed |
| 16:25.38 | coach | pumpkin0, i'm ready... |
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| 16:26.48 | pumpkin0 | coach: go testing. getting lm-sensors to work under stable is very complex and it will not run on modern hardware. the lm-sensors from stable is too old to work with newer stuff. |
| 16:26.56 | ttl- | pumpkin0: thanks works fine now |
| 16:27.12 | coach | pumpkin0, is stable so old? |
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| 16:29.33 | pumpkin0 | coach: stable is very, very well tested and ... old. |
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| 16:30.15 | pumpkin0 | coach: if you want "good looking" and stuff like XGL: switch to testing or unstable. |
| 16:30.19 | jelly-home | epsilon: you might want to add the volatile repository to your sources.list, /msg dpkg volatile |
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| 16:30.34 | coach | pumpkin0, so, how can i go testing? only edit the sources.lst and ready? or what? |
| 16:30.44 | coach | (my english is bad, i know^^) |
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| 16:31.14 | jelly-home | epsilon: debian stable does not get newer versions of software, only critical updates (mostly security related). |
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| 16:33.59 | coach | jelly-home, how do i get from stable to testing? |
| 16:34.41 | rvsjoen | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html |
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| 16:34.52 | dabreegster | !tell coach about stable->testing |
| 16:35.13 | kepht | there a solution/fix for cupsys-client on debian(testing)? [/usr/bin/lp: undefined symbol: _cupsSetLocale] |
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| 16:37.05 | rvsjoen | kepht: did you check the bugs.debian.org ? |
| 16:37.07 | jelly-home | kepht: what version? I have 1.2.2-2 and it apparently works... |
| 16:37.31 | kepht | i just installed cupsys and cupsys-client this morning |
| 16:37.59 | rvsjoen | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=385724 |
| 16:38.12 | kepht | version 1.2.2-2 |
| 16:38.37 | jelly-home | kepht: and libcupsys2 too? |
| 16:38.57 | MatBoy | I have a Raid1 mirror here where I want to remove the last partition and make that partition in 2 or 3 pieces. Can I just bring down the MD of that partition, remove it, and make new partitions for it and Raid1 them again ? |
| 16:39.09 | kepht | jelly-home: yeah, its ii |
| 16:39.17 | kepht | 1.2.2-1 |
| 16:39.48 | jelly-home | kepht: upgrade it, look at rvsjoen's url too, same thing. |
| 16:40.06 | kepht | ooh |
| 16:40.36 | kepht | the bugreport didn't make enough sense to me, now upgrading it |
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| 16:45.31 | kepht | jelly-home: well, no longer getting that error, now says page range wrong |
| 16:46.21 | jelly-home | kepht: at least you're getting somewhere. |
| 16:47.04 | kepht | lpinfo and lpstat both have no effect either ..the web interface can print a test page though |
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| 16:48.20 | seeker | In the 'make' manpage, there's an option for --debug flags. The page shows '--debug[=FLAGS]' is the syntax "make --debug a" or "make --debug=a"? I'd test it myself, but my system locks hard during the compile so it's a bit of a PITA to test. |
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| 16:49.43 | seeker | also, are the flags stackable? i.e. --debug=aj or --debug=a --debug=j? |
| 16:49.49 | yoo | How can i do for réinstall my /etc/init.d/inetd script ? |
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| 16:50.43 | seeker | or are my questions not appropriate for #debian. It is a debian system I'm trying to build this on, so it's thin ice either way. |
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| 16:51.46 | Charminthemoose | whenever i try to insmod usbnet.o i get something like:usbnet.o:unresolved symbol in generic_ioctl_nc2030 or something like that.why? |
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| 16:52.16 | asulao | hello. anyone using php/mysql/odbc combination? can't get it to work |
| 16:52.51 | seeker | Charmin: I'm no authority, but it looks like your map file is off, iirc. |
| 16:52.53 | seeker | !work |
| 16:52.53 | dpkg | from memory, work is a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room?, or see play =-) |
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| 16:54.08 | seeker | asulao: that is to say, what is not 'working', how is it not 'working'? |
| 16:54.31 | Charminthemoose | what do you mean seeker? |
| 16:55.22 | asulao | seeker: okay, I have set up driver in odbcinst.ini tried to odbc_connect from php, but the error log says: Data source name not found, and no default driver specified, SQL state IM002 in SQLConnect. |
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| 16:56.22 | yoo | !inetd |
| 16:56.22 | dpkg | inetd is the internet super-server, read 'man 8 inetd' for details. Also ask me about "update-inetd" |
| 16:56.23 | Charminthemoose | seeker,btw i'm attempting to boot the netinstall iso from my harddrive |
| 16:56.37 | Charminthemoose | so i don't think it has anything to do with my map file |
| 16:58.44 | seeker | Charminthemoose: Oh. For sure. Hang on a sec.. boot the netinst iso from your hard drive? |
| 16:58.47 | seeker | Damn. |
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| 17:00.17 | earthian | hello |
| 17:00.27 | suma | i want to install debian with a two packages how would i do that, i don't need any other package for the system |
| 17:00.53 | suma | is there is anyway i can customise it ? |
| 17:01.21 | yoo | aptitude install inetutils-inetd say me : |
| 17:01.28 | yoo | purge postfix cups |
| 17:01.32 | yoo | etc..... |
| 17:01.44 | yoo | butr i want keep this package |
| 17:01.50 | dabreegster | suma: apt-get install package1 package2 assuming your sources are set up properly. Any dependencies will be installed laso. |
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| 17:02.48 | suma | dabreegster: i installed debian with netinstall, but upon rebooting after the installation it fetches the files from the nearest servers and my space went to zero resulting in error ! |
| 17:03.24 | dabreegster | suma: You don't have enough hard drive space to store the packages? |
| 17:03.36 | dabreegster | suma: Is the partition containing /var large enough? |
| 17:03.58 | suma | i'm using compact flash in /dev/hda |
| 17:04.02 | Heston | is there anyway to get fglrx working on etch? |
| 17:04.03 | suma | it is only 512 MB |
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| 17:04.16 | Storkme | is there a tool for monitoring eth0 traffic from the command line? |
| 17:04.18 | suma | dabreegster: 64MB goes to swap |
| 17:04.29 | Heston | or do i have to wait until ati releases a driver for xorg 7.0? |
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| 17:06.32 | kepht | is there a cups development package for debian? |
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| 17:07.13 | dabreegster | libcupsys2-dev maybe. apt-cache search cups dev |
| 17:07.33 | kepht | Thanks! |
| 17:08.10 | dabreegster | Actually, thank you for causing me to do that apt search. I never knew about printconf; I might just give my inkjet another chance on this box. |
| 17:08.22 | mrrcparish | how can i get my server to sync with a time & date server? |
| 17:08.24 | jelly-home | Storkme: tcpdump? iptraf? |
| 17:08.37 | tralala | mrrcparish: install ntpdate |
| 17:08.39 | kepht | dabreegster: i didn't have much luck with printconf yesterday |
| 17:08.49 | dabreegster | mrrcparish: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 17:09.28 | dabreegster | kepht: I know next to zilch about printing on linux. If it makes printing "just work," then I'll be happy. |
| 17:09.39 | kepht | hmm, apparently i already have libcupsys2-dev |
| 17:09.40 | mrrcparish | sweet |
| 17:09.43 | mrrcparish | thanks |
| 17:09.56 | mrrcparish | can i get it to sync on reboot? |
| 17:10.21 | kepht | dabreegster: i'm learning more than i wanted to know |
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| 17:10.37 | asulao | seeker: okay, I have set up driver in odbcinst.ini tried to odbc_connect from php, but the error log says: Data source name not found, and no default driver specified, SQL state IM002 in SQLConnect. However, I do have set up odbc driver in linux, and odbc dsn. |
| 17:11.12 | tralala | mrrcparish: it does that by default |
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| 17:14.09 | k31th | Hi can some one please tell me if sendmail-base sendmail-cf are part of sendmail? its asking me to update them when i run a postfix server (this box has had sendmail on it in the past) im scared it mihgt break my server :o |
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| 17:15.24 | roberts | So Etch has both 2.6.16 and 2.6.17 now? |
| 17:15.41 | k31th | anyone ? |
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| 17:16.04 | wols_ | k31th: can't you remove sendmail-base? check what other package depends on it if not |
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| 17:16.57 | k31th | wols_: how can i check wat other packages dep on it ? |
| 17:17.07 | ChEnChO | gooool de van nistelroy |
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| 17:17.25 | wols_ | k31th: try to remove it and ehck what packages would be removed |
| 17:17.36 | wols_ | *check |
| 17:17.45 | k31th | sendmail-base might be needed for scripts ? |
| 17:17.57 | k31th | that use "sendmail" in them ? |
| 17:17.59 | tziku | !uptime |
| 17:18.00 | k31th | or am i wrong |
| 17:18.13 | kensai | I use SID, is there a way to take the wanting to load some modules at boot, ex. it says FATAL module loop cannot be load, but I have it built in, not as module. |
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| 17:18.55 | k31th | wols_: its only sendmailbase that gets removed if i do a remove |
| 17:18.56 | jelly-home | k31th: they're a part of sendmail all right. |
| 17:19.15 | k31th | jelly-home: i see. so upgrading it will this break my system ? |
| 17:19.28 | k31th | if i break this server ill got shit |
| 17:19.30 | k31th | shot lol |
| 17:19.59 | wols_ | kensai: then remove it. cause postfix certainly doesn't depend on it |
| 17:20.11 | epsilon | I'm confused... I just installed ClamAV with daemon. So clanscan and clandscan via daemon should report the same scan result? But they don't - the scan result on files in clanav-testfiles are different |
| 17:20.13 | k31th | wols_: did you mean me ? |
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| 17:20.29 | wols_ | sorry, yes I mean you |
| 17:20.35 | wols_ | sendmail-cf too btw |
| 17:21.08 | kensai | wols_, well what I want is in general for the boot process not to try to bring up any modules since I have everything built in in my custom kernel |
| 17:21.58 | infernix | kensai: its harmless, really. but try a grep -r loop /etc. it is probably in udev, modules.conf or something similar. |
| 17:21.58 | wols_ | kensai: is there anything in your /etc/modutils/ ? |
| 17:22.15 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.29 | jelly-home | epsilon: does the user that you're running clamav-daemon as have access to those files? |
| 17:22.57 | epsilon | yes, run as root (I know, shouldn't do that, but wanted to be sure) |
| 17:23.07 | kensai | wols_, Ohh yeah loop hehe thanks |
| 17:23.26 | jelly-home | epsilon: well, they probably should report the same thing then. |
| 17:23.47 | k31th | wols_: removed both mail server working |
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| 17:26.35 | LinuxHelp | How do I "boot" into runlevel 1? I know how to do this with GRUB, but now I've got LILO which doesnt give me any options, so I'm assuming I need to press a certain key? |
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| 17:26.54 | LinuxHelp | *visible options |
| 17:27.01 | infernix | init 1 |
| 17:27.03 | epsilon | jelly-home: http://nullstelle.de/av.txt |
| 17:27.31 | infernix | LinuxHelp: at bootup you can add parameters to the kernel if you hit [tab] at the lilo prompt. |
| 17:27.33 | LinuxHelp | infernix, no I mean specifically boot, say for instance my pc is hanging on runlevel 2 |
| 17:27.42 | LinuxHelp | infernix, tab ah |
| 17:27.49 | infernix | LinuxHelp: so just tab to your kernel and add 'single' |
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| 17:28.00 | tremor | LinuxHelp: you can also add a number for the desired runlevel |
| 17:28.05 | LinuxHelp | ok I'll try that now |
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| 17:28.21 | jelly-home | epsilon: yeah, same here. Looks like it clamdscan doesn't scan rar files properly |
| 17:28.56 | epsilon | yea, but clamdscan did... strange thing |
| 17:29.01 | jelly-home | epsilon: this might be a policy decision of authors or an option somewhere |
| 17:29.30 | infernix | probably at compilation time, might wanna build it with your own flags. apt-get -b source it |
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| 17:30.25 | LinuxHelp | infernix, tab didnt do anything in lilo, in fact it booted so fast I don't think it waits for user input |
| 17:30.37 | infernix | LinuxHelp: heh, your timeout is at 0? |
| 17:30.38 | LinuxHelp | I think I'll pastebin my lilo.conf |
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| 17:31.41 | LinuxHelp | infernix, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/UhoBaR30.html |
| 17:31.54 | LinuxHelp | where do I put "timeout 3" ? |
| 17:31.58 | LinuxHelp | or whatever |
| 17:32.19 | wols_ | LinuxHelp: anywhere. it's a global setting |
| 17:32.44 | infernix | perhaps 5, 3 secs is short:) |
| 17:32.54 | LinuxHelp | wols_, I just made "timeout 3" up, are you sure its "timeout 3" ? |
| 17:33.03 | asulao | hello. problems with php_odbc/mysql_odbc/unix_odbc, can't seem to connect. error is: Data source name not found, and no default driver specified, SQL state IM002 in SQLConnect. I have setup driver & DSN in odbc.ini & odbcinst.ini. odbc.ini/TraceFile/Trace don't seem to work either. I have set up ODBCINI env correctly. |
| 17:33.08 | infernix | or make a menu out of it with 'prompt' and 'install=menu' |
| 17:33.13 | jelly-home | epsilon: tfm clamd.conf(5) says rar scanning is disabled by default. |
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| 17:33.38 | LinuxHelp | timeout=3 perhaps? |
| 17:33.43 | Charminthemoose | i have a problem. |
| 17:33.47 | nvz | infernix: especially since its not in seconds IIRC |
| 17:33.55 | wols_ | LinuxHelp: no |
| 17:33.57 | LinuxHelp | nvz, lol |
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| 17:34.00 | infernix | LinuxHelp: my timeout=30 |
| 17:34.07 | yoo | Somebody who use debian unstable can say me if there is a inetd file script in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 17:34.11 | nvz | LinuxHelp: if I recall correctly its in miliseconds |
| 17:34.28 | wols_ | yoo: there is |
| 17:34.29 | Charminthemoose | why can i not load up the old netusb.o and start downloading debian? |
| 17:34.30 | infernix | yoo: there should be. |
| 17:34.41 | epsilon | jelly-home: ah, that's it |
| 17:34.42 | yoo | but i don't have this file |
| 17:34.45 | wols_ | yoo: unless you run xinetd or such |
| 17:34.45 | infernix | nvz: delay is, timeout isnt i think |
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| 17:34.54 | yoo | so how reinstall it ? |
| 17:35.00 | wols_ | yoo: do you have inetd installed? |
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| 17:35.09 | nvz | infernix: I dont remember clearly and I dont have lilo on any of my machines to check atm |
| 17:35.10 | infernix | yoo: apt-get install --reinstall ientd |
| 17:35.26 | nvz | infernix: I just know somewhere in there time is in miliseconds |
| 17:35.27 | infernix | nvz: me on just one or two where grub fails to install somehow:) |
| 17:35.50 | LinuxNIT | if i download a .deb some where... is there a program that will install dependancies it needs from the debian repo(if the repo has them)? |
| 17:36.02 | LinuxHelp | okay I'll just count to ten and then tell you guys what the time units are for timeout=10 |
| 17:36.07 | yoo | wols, infernix this packet doesn't exist |
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| 17:36.14 | jelly-home | wols_ even xinetd just does a divert, so the file is still there. |
| 17:36.16 | Charminthemoose | correction:usbnet.o |
| 17:36.17 | nvz | infernix: I prefer lilo because its what I am used to and know how to configure.. but I got grub because its default in debian now and I havent needed to reconfigure and it works.. heh if I had to set it up myself I would probably switch to lilo |
| 17:36.19 | yoo | i suppose it's virtual package |
| 17:36.28 | infernix | LinuxNIT: you usually shouldn't do that. but if you're sure the .deb is for your distro, you can dpkg -i [the .deb]; apt-get -f install |
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| 17:36.49 | LinuxNIT | ok i see cool |
| 17:36.56 | epsilon | jelly-home: enabled it in clamd and same result now, thx for the help :) |
| 17:36.59 | LinuxNIT | never put those two together |
| 17:37.00 | infernix | nvz: grub is better in many ways, really. |
| 17:37.00 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 17:37.07 | wols_ | yoo: netkit-inetd |
| 17:37.14 | yoo | inetutils-inetd perhaps |
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| 17:37.19 | yoo | ok wols_ |
| 17:37.22 | yoo | i try this |
| 17:37.23 | nvz | infernix: I know. but I am satisfied with lilo and already know how to use it. |
| 17:37.38 | infernix | nvz: y'know what they say. if it aint broken :) |
| 17:38.41 | nvz | infernix: yeah exactly. its like people who will boast about using gentoo or slack or something.. I got more important things to do with my time than compile, recompile, recompile, recompile, reconfigure, reconfigure... etc I rather just get the shit up and running so I can get to working on something important. this is why I use debian |
| 17:38.54 | jelly-home | /etc/init.d/inetd is a conffile, I don't think a simple reinstall bring it back. |
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| 17:39.15 | nvz | infernix: I'll get to all that extra-curricular stuff when the need arises |
| 17:39.16 | infernix | nvz: couldnt say it better :) great minds think alike :P |
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| 17:39.58 | Charminthemoose | why doesn't the netinstall kernel image/initrd.gz contain netusb.o? |
| 17:40.09 | wols_ | jelly-home: but a dpkg-reconfigure should |
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| 17:40.29 | nvz | Charminthemoose: more specifically why should it? |
| 17:40.30 | LinuxHelp | timeout=<tsecs> sets a timeout (in tenths of a second) |
| 17:40.45 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: can't you modprobe it manually? |
| 17:41.00 | wols_ | usually network modules are laoded via /etc/modules, not via initrd |
| 17:41.02 | jelly-home | wols_: hm, how can a dpkg-reconfigure bring back a deleted conffile? |
| 17:41.12 | wols_ | initrd is only for stuff you need for booting. network is not of those thigns |
| 17:41.23 | nvz | Charminthemoose: the idea of an initrd is to preload _essential_ modules to get the system booted. |
| 17:41.24 | wols_ | jelly-home: what does dpkg-reconfigure do? |
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| 17:41.51 | infernix | jelly-home: /etc/init.d/inetd is an init script, not a conffile. reinstall should unpack it, really. |
| 17:41.57 | jelly-home | wols_: runs debconf's stuff from .config and .postinst afaik. |
| 17:42.21 | nvz | network is entirely non-essential for booting on any machine that would actually use it |
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| 17:42.58 | jelly-home | infernix: is a conffile here, present in /var/lib/dpkg/info/netkit-inetd.conffiles |
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| 17:43.59 | jelly-home | infernix: there are still a lot of init scripts that are conffiles. |
| 17:44.19 | Charminthemoose | what fs type does a floppy that has usbnet.o on it to be read? |
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| 17:44.29 | nvz | I was trying to relax on the couch but the million flies buzzing around my head made me get up and commit mass genocide so I am back now :P |
| 17:44.33 | dim | hi people |
| 17:44.46 | dim | i'm using sid, and now udev seems not to be working anymore |
| 17:44.48 | infernix | jelly-home: weird, since etc/init.d/inetd isn't really configured in any way; it's about as static as it gets. |
| 17:44.52 | nvz | and much happier now that I got 10 dead fly carcas on my windowsil |
| 17:45.05 | dim | I've had the sysv init upgrade problem, run the helper script to correct the situation |
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| 17:45.26 | dim | and now X won't start, claiming about no core pointer, and /dev/input does not exists |
| 17:45.27 | aalex | Anyone has a very nice programmer text editor to suggest ? Scite is buggy, gedit has no regex, kate needs KDE libs... |
| 17:45.29 | dim | any help ? |
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| 17:45.43 | Charminthemoose | i need netusb loaded so it can load my linksys usb 2.O router |
| 17:45.44 | aalex | (I mean a GUI text editor, not vim) |
| 17:45.45 | dim | aalex kate is a good one, i personnaly uses emacs |
| 17:45.56 | jelly-home | aalex: gvim :-> |
| 17:45.59 | nvz | dim: heh, surprise, surprise |
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| 17:46.32 | nvz | udev broke? how the hell is that possible? I didnt know it ever worked to begin with |
| 17:46.48 | dim | nvz: this kind of 'i need to work, it' sunday, and X won't start' surprise is not the one i'd have choosen... |
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| 17:47.05 | infernix | dim: then why are you running sid. |
| 17:47.18 | infernix | dim: sid is bound to break. Still In Development. |
| 17:47.19 | dim | cause i was tired of late security updates in testing |
| 17:47.21 | nvz | dim: you are using sid and udev you might want to wear a sign so people know you are stupid |
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| 17:47.42 | dim | i'm using debian since 2000, and am ok with some breakage one day or the other |
| 17:47.47 | dim | as soon as i can recover |
| 17:48.04 | infernix | dim: if udev broke, check the bts, and report a bug if you can find it. |
| 17:48.10 | aalex | jelly-home, i will try xjed and scite (again) |
| 17:48.16 | dim | the question is : by updrage message of sysv-init, this seems to be a known problem... would you happen to know how to recover ? |
| 17:49.01 | jelly-home | aalex: eh, I hate vi but already have KDE up so running kate at no additional cost. |
| 17:49.02 | dim | ok, your guys are SO helpful... |
| 17:49.09 | Charminthemoose | anyone? |
| 17:49.23 | infernix | dim: check the bts. chances are thats the first place to find that info. |
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| 17:49.24 | nvz | dim: for the core pointer you would want to make sure mousedev, input, hid, and your host controller driver are loaded |
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| 17:49.45 | webfreak | (usually usb-uhci or usb-ohci) |
| 17:49.54 | dim | nvz: did I said /dev/input does not exists on the system? (psmouse is loaded) |
| 17:50.20 | dim | and my quickcam usb module is loaded too... |
| 17:50.36 | jelly-home | dim: are you running udev? :-) |
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| 17:50.47 | infernix | dim: so udev is broken. check the syslog for udev errors, remove and readd the modules |
| 17:51.02 | nvz | webfreak: actually thats 2.4 they changed the name scheme in 2.6 |
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| 17:51.11 | webfreak | nvz: oops |
| 17:51.15 | nvz | webfreak: its ohci-hcd or uhci-hcd in 2.6 |
| 17:51.24 | webfreak | nvz: ah, ok :) |
| 17:51.32 | dim | what should I use in place of this so known to be broken udev? |
| 17:51.42 | webfreak | i never thought to check that |
| 17:51.47 | webfreak | and i'm using 2.6, heh |
| 17:52.12 | nvz | dim: use for what? constantly breaking and causing headaches? have you tried out flash player? microsoft windows? |
| 17:52.15 | dim | could it be cause of udev my 2.6.17 does not boot every time? (i'm stick to 2.6.16, hence old firmware of wifi chip) |
| 17:52.19 | jelly-home | dim: static /dev? |
| 17:52.46 | dim | some readings made me conclude udev was better than static /dev |
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| 17:53.04 | nvz | this is why you cant always believe everything you read |
| 17:53.07 | jelly-home | dim: well, at least now you know better. |
| 17:53.17 | dim | i'd like to |
| 17:53.36 | jelly-home | dim: it is better when it works, though, but it's rather flaky. |
| 17:54.13 | nvz | I am proud to say I steer clear of all this crap.. I never used devfs when it was popular and I am not about to try udev |
| 17:54.14 | dim | it has been working very well here for a year or sth |
| 17:54.21 | nvz | the static dev works every time |
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| 17:55.06 | jelly-home | nvz: but you have to add new strange devices manually, and there's a lot of cruft |
| 17:55.12 | dim | ok, what would be the switching procedure (swith from udev to static dev) ? |
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| 17:55.45 | nvz | jelly-home: I dont play with strange new devices I rarely if ever even use my cdrom/cdrw/dvdrw drives |
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| 17:56.00 | dim | or maybe i should just have a nice evening, not a working one, after all |
| 17:56.13 | nvz | dim: just remove udev would be my guess |
| 17:56.25 | coach | hi@all...if i want to install the newest debian testing, which image should i use? |
| 17:56.26 | nvz | afaik its mostly all userspace like devfs |
| 17:56.36 | dim | it's not a guess i want to do right now |
| 17:56.44 | jelly-home | dim: theoretically you could just remove udev, but I'm not sure that'll work if you have Debian's kernel packages that depend on it. |
| 17:56.46 | coach | i've got the etch beta 3 |
| 17:57.05 | sepski | coach, that's the one to use |
| 17:57.07 | coach | is etch=testing? |
| 17:57.08 | EdLin | coach: you don't need to do that, just change /etc/apt/source.list from stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:57.13 | jelly-home | coach: yes. |
| 17:57.17 | sepski | curretly yes |
| 17:57.31 | coach | kk, thx@all |
| 17:57.33 | EdLin | coach: it is until its released. :) |
| 17:57.38 | coach | ^^ |
| 17:58.30 | EdLin | the person who invented "kk" is up against the wall when the revolution comes |
| 17:58.54 | dim | hal depends on dbus and I use it |
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| 18:02.29 | _vincent_ | trying to migrate on of my servers, is there a way to get dpkg to list what programs i've installed 'manually' by doing apt-get install packagexxx ? |
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| 18:03.25 | tremor | _vincent_: dpkg --get-selections you mean? |
| 18:03.42 | tremor | so you will get a complete list |
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| 18:03.58 | lunitik | !aptitude clone |
| 18:03.58 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude upgrade; on the other machine. |
| 18:04.01 | tremor | after this you can diff it against another one |
| 18:04.12 | lunitik | _vincent_, that might be something for you to look into |
| 18:04.20 | Cyorxamp | Is this the official irc channel? |
| 18:04.27 | lunitik | Cyorxamp, no |
| 18:04.32 | Cyorxamp | where is that? |
| 18:04.33 | _vincent_ | nb |
| 18:04.43 | lunitik | Cyorxamp, 'irc.debian.org' #debian |
| 18:04.47 | cahoot | Cyorxamp: it's the most populated |
| 18:04.49 | _vincent_ | guess i could also diff apt-show-versions | awk -F '/' |
| 18:04.54 | Cyorxamp | ah, ok |
| 18:04.55 | Cyorxamp | thanx |
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| 18:05.01 | _vincent_ | and print just the package name |
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| 18:05.12 | yigit34 | slm |
| 18:05.25 | lunitik | _vincent_, nb? |
| 18:05.34 | yigit34 | merhaba |
| 18:05.44 | yigit34 | turk varmý |
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| 18:06.02 | dim | was mousedev module missing |
| 18:06.06 | dim | udev is not in cause :) |
| 18:06.27 | lunitik | uhh... typing |
| 18:06.31 | _vincent_ | hrm wow so you have to use apache2-mpm-prefork with php5 in the official repo |
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| 18:08.01 | _vincent_ | lunitik: turkish i think |
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| 18:12.32 | startxwhite | is anyone here running swiftfox on a Pentium 120Mhz? Or perhaps any other Pentium 75-150? |
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| 18:14.14 | asulao | hello. problems with php_odbc/mysql_odbc/unix_odbc, can't seem to connect. error is: Data source name not found, and no default driver specified, SQL state IM002 in SQLConnect. I have setup driver & DSN in odbc.ini & odbcinst.ini. odbc.ini/TraceFile/Trace don't seem to work either. I have set up ODBCINI env correctly. What else can I check? Been at this all day :(. I need linux odbc support with MySql. |
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| 18:16.13 | roberts | How do I find out my currently configured IPv4 gateway? |
| 18:16.20 | roberts | ipconfig doesn't say |
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| 18:17.10 | marquedios | ipconfig in windows? |
| 18:17.21 | marquedios | ipconfig /all |
| 18:17.22 | roberts | ifconfig |
| 18:17.23 | roberts | I mean |
| 18:17.29 | marquedios | oh, was gonna say |
| 18:17.33 | roberts | Heh |
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| 18:22.13 | yoo | How "remove" the solution of aptitude memory when i try to install a packet ? |
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| 18:22.44 | EdLin | yoo: please explain |
| 18:23.21 | yoo | Le score est de -14280 |
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| 18:23.28 | yoo | Accepter cette solution ? [Y/n/q/?] |
| 18:23.38 | EdLin | !fr |
| 18:23.38 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:23.50 | yoo | i say n a lot of once but finaally i want the first solution |
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| 18:24.29 | yoo | but it seems taht aptitude keep the last solution |
| 18:24.37 | blondie | hi Daveman! |
| 18:24.38 | donal | hello |
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| 18:24.56 | EdLin | yoo: do you have an especially large sources.list? |
| 18:25.01 | donal | i need some help with the java packages on powerpc |
| 18:25.02 | yoo | no |
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| 18:25.44 | EdLin | yoo: are you running more than one release? |
| 18:26.01 | RvGaTe | Yo, i keep forgetting the command/app to do a portscan with... what can i use (command line only) |
| 18:26.02 | marquedios | roberts: netstat --route will display to you all configured routes and the default line will show you what your current gateway is |
| 18:26.18 | yoo | Edlin, i want install inetutils-inetd but aptitude say me he disable postfix netbase....... |
| 18:26.24 | yoo | EdLin, no |
| 18:26.46 | marquedios | roberts: so netstat --route|grep default |
| 18:26.48 | donal | apt-get cannot find sun-java5-bin to install sun-java5-jdk, i have the debian unofficial sources in sources.list and am running sid |
| 18:27.07 | donal | is this because the powerpc packages are not ready yet? |
| 18:27.31 | EdLin | yoo: openbsd-inetd is better I think, try it. :-) |
| 18:27.35 | blondie | marquedios: or you could just type... "route" |
| 18:27.47 | donal | and if so, does the package maintainer have a website with beta packages that have not made it into sid yet? |
| 18:28.02 | donal | i humbly await your reply |
| 18:28.02 | Daveman | blondie :o |
| 18:28.09 | blondie | :O |
| 18:28.20 | marquedios | didn't know that |
| 18:28.33 | yoo | EdLin, in facts my inetd have disappears of my /etc/init.d/ |
| 18:28.47 | yoo | i don't know how reinstall it |
| 18:28.50 | Daveman | haha dies |
| 18:28.52 | blondie | Daveman: I have some dye in the bathroom but CBA to use it. |
| 18:28.53 | Daveman | oops? :p |
| 18:28.54 | EdLin | blondie: there are two kinds of people my friend, those who use rpms and those who have the job of using apt-get |
| 18:28.59 | Daveman | CBA? |
| 18:29.00 | amee2k | how can i configure auto-login for virtual terminals? |
| 18:29.04 | blondie | O.o |
| 18:29.07 | Daveman | o.O |
| 18:29.08 | blondie | Daveman: can't be arsed |
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| 18:29.11 | Daveman | :\ |
| 18:29.15 | Daveman | lazy ;p |
| 18:29.19 | blondie | yes |
| 18:29.27 | blondie | i cba to get dressed either |
| 18:29.28 | jelly-home | cant be arsed |
| 18:29.40 | Daveman | oh can't be bothered |
| 18:29.43 | blondie | jelly-home: well done! |
| 18:29.45 | Daveman | I get it now :P |
| 18:29.48 | jelly-home | that's cbb |
| 18:29.53 | blondie | Daveman: bothered doesn't start with A! |
| 18:30.03 | Daveman | yeah but arse isn't english! |
| 18:30.09 | blondie | it bloody well is. |
| 18:30.15 | Daveman | fuck that, speak American! |
| 18:30.18 | blondie | it's the correct spelling of "ass", unless you mean donkey |
| 18:30.20 | Daveman | /o/ |
| 18:30.23 | Daveman | ASS |
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| 18:30.27 | Daveman | as in asshole :p |
| 18:30.32 | blondie | arsehol |
| 18:30.33 | blondie | e |
| 18:30.33 | jelly-home | arseface |
| 18:30.35 | Daveman | anyway, don't school me nig |
| 18:30.37 | Daveman | :) |
| 18:30.44 | Daveman | Blondie, what color is it? :o |
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| 18:31.00 | blondie | blueblack |
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| 18:31.09 | blondie | and please don't capitalise my name ;.; |
| 18:31.11 | Daveman | :o |
| 18:31.18 | Daveman | wtf? |
| 18:31.30 | Daveman | -_- |
| 18:31.36 | blondie | :P |
| 18:31.51 | Daveman | :D |
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| 18:32.41 | amee2k | any hints? |
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| 18:35.58 | donal | any information on java from anyone here? |
| 18:36.31 | sepski | !java |
| 18:36.32 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
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| 18:38.33 | icwiener | Is there a place to report orphaned packages (whose maintainers have girlfriends now, or something ...)? |
| 18:39.19 | Heston | hah |
| 18:40.28 | amee2k | how can i get the source for the mingetty version used for the debian package? |
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| 18:42.13 | donal | !install java |
| 18:42.13 | dpkg | methinks install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using unstable. |
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| 18:43.11 | donal | ah, im using unstable and the sun-java5-jdk install fails on the inability to find sun-java5-jdk |
| 18:43.16 | donal | oops |
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| 18:43.31 | donal | inability to find sun-java5-bin, rather |
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| 18:49.13 | donal | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:49.13 | donal | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.13 | donal | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.13 | donal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:49.45 | donal | excuse me |
| 18:50.38 | mhall | !paste |
| 18:50.38 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 18:54.33 | jelly-home | !whis is xine-ui not in testing |
| 18:54.34 | dpkg | jelly-home: okay |
| 18:54.38 | jelly-home | !why is xine-ui not in testing |
| 18:54.39 | dpkg | xine-ui is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xine-ui |
| 18:54.49 | dvs | !forget whis |
| 18:54.50 | dpkg | i forgot whis, dvs |
| 18:54.53 | jelly-home | thanks |
| 18:54.56 | dvs | np |
| 18:55.08 | dvs | jelly-home: don't "whis" in here. ;-) |
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| 18:55.57 | jelly-home | dvs: I'm whiser now |
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| 19:06.46 | tralala | !moo |
| 19:06.46 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 19:09.45 | donal | so...there just isnt java5 ppc available right now, i gather |
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| 19:12.37 | Moo_Moo | http://wlserver1-he.gindis.com/modules.php?name=WLAccount&file=visitor&op=game&userid=MzU4Ng== Gindis game the best game ever , if anyone get into, in down of page have flags choice flags on language u want play |
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| 19:17.40 | g333k | hpw tp recover deleted files from the hard disk? |
| 19:17.46 | g333k | how to* |
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| 19:18.14 | amphi | g333k: what filesystem? |
| 19:18.24 | g333k | amphi, ext3 |
| 19:18.27 | wols_ | there are one or two programs for ext2/3 which can do it. none for others |
| 19:19.35 | illsci | find a warez copy of encase :) |
| 19:19.36 | illsci | or buy it |
| 19:19.36 | g333k | wols_, what are the name of them? |
| 19:19.36 | wols_ | "undelete" iirc :) |
| 19:19.36 | wols_ | google for ext2 undelete. you will find some |
| 19:19.37 | amphi | g333k: not much chance on ext3 AFAIK - restore from a recent backup ;) |
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| 19:19.54 | wols_ | amphi: why not much chance? |
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| 19:21.11 | SJr|nx | Anyone know how to get Audicity to change the bitrate and stereo/mono settings of an MP3? |
| 19:21.23 | jelly-home | Why is dpkg's "Reading database ..." so slow? |
| 19:21.25 | amphi | wols_: because ext3 zeroes out some metadata that ext2 doesn't, I forget exactly what |
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| 19:22.27 | g333k | amphi, wols_ : the ext2's programs to recover files doesnt work on ext3 :( |
| 19:22.42 | edju | !ndiswrapper |
| 19:22.43 | dpkg | ndiswrapper is probably a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 19:23.04 | amphi | g333k: yes, they don't |
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| 19:23.10 | streuner | edju: /msg dpkg <facotid> works too ;-) |
| 19:23.11 | edju | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 19:23.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 19:23.17 | wols_ | GecKo: did you remount as ext2? |
| 19:25.04 | amphi | wols_: that will make no difference, AFAIK |
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| 19:25.55 | amphi | wols_: "e," |
| 19:25.59 | amphi | arrgh |
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| 19:26.05 | debian-testing-u | hi@all |
| 19:26.25 | amphi | wols_: this is why you can't undelete on ext3, "In order to ensure that ext3 can safely resume an unlink after a crash, it actually zeros out the block pointers in the inode" |
| 19:27.03 | debian-testing-u | my xserver doesn't work...i use debian etch and xorg...i get no error message, the screen just leaves black |
| 19:27.10 | amphi | g333k: see the undelete Q at http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html |
| 19:27.15 | citral | someone knows how to put messages not meant to me with procmail ? I tried ^To: !.*my-email@foo\.bar but that doesn't match it |
| 19:27.33 | citral | uh weird sentence |
| 19:28.43 | debian-testing-u | so, anyone knows about my problem? |
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| 19:29.45 | eide | has anyone noticed that cron does not execute /etc/crontab in etch? |
| 19:29.54 | jelly-ho | debian-testing-u: first take a look at /var/log/X*.0.log |
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| 19:30.40 | roxy_ | I am having trouble understanding what is the mbr exactly. Is it the 512th byte or from byte 0 to byte 512 ? |
| 19:30.58 | eide | roxy_: last one |
| 19:31.01 | sepski | the latter |
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| 19:31.28 | roxy_ | is there one per partition, per harddisk or per motherboard ? |
| 19:31.50 | debian-testing-u | jelly-ho: k, but i can't see any error |
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| 19:32.13 | eide | roxy_: per motherboard I think |
| 19:32.24 | jelly-ho | citral: your ! is at the wrong place. Second, you'll want at least something like * !^(To|Cc): .*your\.mail@example\.com |
| 19:32.41 | citral | ah ok thanks |
| 19:32.52 | roxy_ | eide: so on master primary device if using ide ? |
| 19:33.00 | cydork | roxy_, actuall 0 to 512 is mbr plus partition table i guess. |
| 19:33.05 | debian-testing-u | jelly-ho: k, but i can't see any error |
| 19:33.13 | debian-testing-u | sry, dublepost^^ |
| 19:33.15 | cydork | s/actuall/actually/ |
| 19:33.40 | jelly-ho | citral: man procmail, procmailex, procmailrc. ;-) |
| 19:33.45 | wols_ | roxy_: one per harddisk. any harddisk has it |
| 19:33.55 | roxy_ | cydork: and what is in it exactly ? 512 byte is not enough for lilo or grub |
| 19:34.07 | wols_ | partition table is part of the MBR (last 4 x 16 + 2 bytes |
| 19:34.45 | roxy_ | wols_: so mbr doesn't belong to any hd ? |
| 19:34.46 | wols_ | it's a loader. ir loades the first sector of the partition with the bootable flag set |
| 19:34.48 | jelly-ho | debian-testing-u: you could post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on a paster and let someone see if there's anything strange. |
| 19:34.57 | wols_ | roxy_: evrey hdd has a mbr as I just said |
| 19:35.04 | CHodapp | many bootloaders change the MBR to something else |
| 19:35.06 | wols_ | it's the first sector of the whole hdd |
| 19:35.07 | cydork | wols_, hmm i really dont remeber this nos. :) |
| 19:35.15 | CHodapp | some are small enough to fit |
| 19:35.28 | roxy_ | wols_: sorry, I mean mbr doesn't belong to any partition ? |
| 19:35.41 | debian-testing-u | jelly-ho: how? i don't know how to dowithout x^^ |
| 19:35.46 | eide | roxy_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBR |
| 19:36.01 | wols_ | roxy_: yes, it's outside any partition since it holds the partition information (where is a partition and how big is it) |
| 19:36.01 | roxy_ | eide: I read it but still got question :-) |
| 19:36.17 | eide | roxy_: okay :) |
| 19:36.18 | jelly-ho | debian-testing-u: do you have a text-mode browser like elinks? |
| 19:36.40 | roxy_ | wols_: when you say it is a loader, you mean lilo or grub are in it, or you mean it loads lilo or grub ? |
| 19:37.00 | wols_ | roxy_: can be either. part of lilo/grub is in it if you install them to /dev/hda |
| 19:37.22 | debian-testing-u | jelly-ho: no, but i know links |
| 19:38.03 | wols_ | if you install lilo/grub to /dev/hda1 then the MBR loads the first sector of /dev/hda1 (if hda1 is set bootable in the partition table) and the starts executing it |
| 19:38.04 | jelly-ho | debian-testing-u: that's pretty much the same, you could upload the file on http://paste.debian.net |
| 19:38.26 | debian-testing-u | jelly-ho: kk, i'll try^^ |
| 19:38.36 | CHodapp | assuming you've left the default MBR in place. |
| 19:38.56 | roxy_ | wols_: can I have a bootable system putting grub in /dev/hda2 ? |
| 19:39.11 | wols_ | roxy_: yes. as long as you set the bootable flag for hda2 |
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| 19:39.34 | startxwhite | is anyone here running swiftfox on a Pentium 120Mhz? Or perhaps any other Pentium 75-150? |
| 19:39.40 | CHodapp | Nope. |
| 19:40.27 | jelly-ho | startxwhite: I can downclock my machine to 180MHz, would that help? |
| 19:41.11 | roxy_ | wols_: I am reading a book that says: "With linux the user can place the boot loader into either the mbr or the root partition" . Is the root partition /boot or / ? |
| 19:41.28 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.43 | roxy_ | wols_: but linux put grub in /boot ? |
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| 19:41.52 | wols_ | it doesn't matter where you put it in linux, as long as the MBR loader can find it, which means it has to be a primary partition |
| 19:42.11 | debian-testing-u | jelly-ho: is it normal that the file is splittet up into more than one url? |
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| 19:43.22 | roxy_ | wols_: then the book is wrong. It should say the mbr or a primary partition ? |
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| 19:43.34 | debian-testing-u | jelly-ho: k, its #12600-12608 or so |
| 19:43.37 | NelsonFx- | debian-xen anyone ? |
| 19:43.41 | debian-testing-u | (paste.debian.org) |
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| 19:43.55 | jelly-ho | debian-testing-u: ah, it might have a size limit. |
| 19:44.22 | debian-testing-u | jelly-ho: seems so, but i've finished |
| 19:44.44 | debian-testing-u | jelly-ho: so, you take a look at it? |
| 19:45.08 | jelly-ho | debian-testing-u: have you selected the correct driver for your card? |
| 19:45.58 | jelly-ho | debian-testing-u: it looks like you have a NVidia card but are using generic vesa driver. |
| 19:46.01 | wols_ | roxy_: depends about the part of the bootloader, but imho yes the book is wrong |
| 19:46.07 | debian-testing-u | jelly-ho: and? |
| 19:46.14 | debian-testing-u | should i have take nv? |
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| 19:46.21 | jelly-ho | debian-testing-u: yes. |
| 19:46.34 | debian-testing-u | jelly-ho: i thought vesa is like a general driver |
| 19:46.38 | debian-testing-u | oh^^ |
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| 19:46.55 | wols_ | cause tehcnically you can put it in any primary partition, tho it's usually a good thing to put it in / or /boot (if that is an extra partition) |
| 19:47.20 | wols_ | debian-testing-u: it's also generically dog ass slow and ugly |
| 19:47.23 | debian-testing-u | jelly-ho: i'm sry, my fault |
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| 19:47.36 | wols_ | vesa is only used if no other driver works |
| 19:47.37 | debian-testing-u | jelly-ho: it works now, thx4 your help |
| 19:47.42 | jelly-ho | debian-testing-u: np |
| 19:47.50 | debian-testing-u | kk, cya@all |
| 19:48.28 | roxy_ | wols_: thanks for your help |
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| 19:49.15 | possie | how can i lookup the default TTL value for a certain domain? |
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| 19:50.04 | wols_ | possie: DNS? dig does it |
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| 19:53.08 | possie | wols_, well i'm wondering how, reading the man page i couldn't find it, because the SOA record query doesn't displays it for me |
| 19:54.02 | wols_ | it does for me: google.com. 287 IN A 64.233.187.99 |
| 19:54.07 | wols_ | 287 seconds |
| 19:54.22 | possie | wols_, yes but you don't know what the TTL starts at when doing a first query to it |
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| 19:54.52 | possie | wols_, i would like to know at what TTL queries for a certain domain start at |
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| 20:01.39 | startxwhite | jelly-ho: no it will not help. i want to hear from someone running a P75-150 using swiftfox |
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| 20:05.58 | DaBlade | Does anyone know if mencoder or transcode can convert a .wma to a .mp3, and if so, what options do I pass? |
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| 20:09.49 | Trewas | DaBlade: mplayer -ao pcm <- that should write the audio to wav-file, I don't know if can encode directly to mp3 |
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| 20:10.20 | DaBlade | Trewas: Hmm..damn. |
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| 20:11.11 | jelly-ho | DaBlade: #mplayer ? |
| 20:11.52 | cwheeler | where do debian source packages live? |
| 20:12.05 | jelly-ho | cwheeler: on ftp mirrors. |
| 20:12.14 | cydork | cwheeler, on every debian repository |
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| 20:13.39 | cwheeler | it's not obvious which dir they are in |
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| 20:16.11 | seeker | does Gaim interface with Yahoo's protocol? |
| 20:16.29 | cwheeler | yes |
| 20:16.49 | cwheeler | but mine doesn't store the password |
| 20:18.03 | seeker | cwheeler: thanks man. |
| 20:18.12 | cwheeler | yw |
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| 20:18.36 | cwheeler | yahoo ims work, i don't know about all the other features, I havne't tried them |
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| 20:23.37 | JimPanic | Hello. May be a very stupid question, but does anyone have any experience with Etch, cordless Logitech keyboard-mouse combinations and Xorg? |
| 20:24.02 | LoudFan | JimPanic: What is the problem? |
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| 20:24.30 | JimPanic | X complains about not being able to initialize core devices (because of not finding /dev/input/mice) |
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| 20:25.11 | JimPanic | I've tried several things I found on Gentoo Wikis and stuff like that, but nothing worked. |
| 20:25.46 | JimPanic | The needed xorg-input packages are installed, so I don't quite get what it's doing. |
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| 20:25.50 | LoudFan | JimPanic: Do you run Gentoo or Debian? This is a Debian channel ... |
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| 20:26.24 | JimPanic | Yea, but I haven't found any information with Debian. |
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| 20:26.45 | cahoot | JimPanic: what version of debian is this? sid? |
| 20:26.52 | JimPanic | cahoot: Etch |
| 20:27.50 | JimPanic | Hrrm :\ |
| 20:27.53 | LoudFan | JimPanic: Are there any error (EE) lines in /var/log/X.org.log? |
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| 20:28.21 | JimPanic | Well, the next problem is..now not even my keyboard is responding. |
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| 20:28.57 | LoudFan | JimPanic: But it did before? |
| 20:28.59 | DennisTheTiger | Running x.org in Etch. My wife is running a session in parallel to my own right now (i.e., she's on tty8, I'm on tty7, by way of a Gnome "switch user" frob), and we recently watched as her desktop icons have inflated from what is otherwise normal to something about the size of a small water balloon. Cycling resolutions by way of C-A-[+-] doesn't seem to help. How do we fix this problem? |
| 20:29.12 | DennisTheTiger | Note, she is running Gnome as well. |
| 20:30.22 | JimPanic | Oh, nice. My keyboard does respond, but the screen stays black. |
| 20:30.28 | JimPanic | Could reboot |
| 20:31.04 | JimPanic | So..lets see the logs. |
| 20:32.34 | LoudFan | JimPanic: The black screen does not look like a typical "cannot initialize core device" symptom. More like a GPU driver problem. What driver and graphics card are you using? |
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| 20:33.09 | JimPanic | LoudFan: I've fixed it again..did something stupid. :P |
| 20:33.20 | JimPanic | Ok, I'll copy and paste via my fingers, un attimo. |
| 20:33.27 | LoudFan | JimPanic: No problem :) I do that all the time. |
| 20:33.48 | JimPanic | (EE) xf860OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 20:33.56 | JimPanic | No such file or directory |
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| 20:34.28 | LoudFan | JimPanic: Does that device exist? What kind of connection does that keyboard have? PS/2 or USB or something else? |
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| 20:34.51 | JimPanic | Mouse AND keyboard are connected via one USB reciever |
| 20:35.22 | LoudFan | JimPanic: What kernel are you using? Debian or "custom made"? |
| 20:35.38 | JimPanic | And no, it does not exist. The only thing that exists and looks like the mouse is /dev/input/by-id/someshit-USB-mouse |
| 20:35.44 | JimPanic | The default kernel |
| 20:36.11 | mhall | DennisTheTiger: that's a real weird one |
| 20:36.18 | JimPanic | Just installed a fresh Etch with netinst CD (Standard system + Desktop environmen). |
| 20:36.24 | mhall | DennisTheTiger: do only the icons change size or also the whole screen |
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| 20:37.15 | LoudFan | JimPanic: well, how about using /dev/input/by-id/someshit-USB-mouse as the device in the config then? |
| 20:37.16 | Weedy_lappy | how do you add stuff to the default run lvl? |
| 20:37.17 | xav | is it possible to remove anything but the core system? |
| 20:37.40 | JimPanic | LoudFan: Tried so, didn't work out :) |
| 20:37.53 | LoudFan | ok |
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| 20:38.26 | mhall | Weedy_lappy: update-rc.d |
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| 20:38.47 | Sp4rKy | hi |
| 20:38.50 | xav | or to only install that? |
| 20:38.51 | LoudFan | JimPanic: Is the "usbhid" module loaded? |
| 20:38.57 | Sp4rKy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.59 | mhall | Sp4rKy: btw, ubuntu isn't debian |
| 20:39.07 | Sp4rKy | i know |
| 20:39.12 | Sp4rKy | it seems to be totally GPLed but it isn't in debian or in ubuntu |
| 20:39.13 | xav | Sp4rKy: why do you care |
| 20:39.15 | JimPanic | LoudFan: Yes. |
| 20:39.21 | xav | Sp4rKy: ah |
| 20:39.28 | JimPanic | LoudFan: The keyboard works. That's the weird thing. |
| 20:39.31 | mhall | Sp4rKy: hmm. there is a way to make a package request. |
| 20:39.36 | LoudFan | JimPanic: True. |
| 20:39.37 | Sp4rKy | xav, i have a question about software and licence |
| 20:39.53 | Sp4rKy | mhall, i just would know if it could be accepted |
| 20:40.12 | Sp4rKy | (or better, know if it will be refused and why ...) |
| 20:40.21 | xav | Sp4rKy: I think you need to ask on a debian ml |
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| 20:40.26 | mhall | Sp4rKy: hmm, it seems to be in the marillat archive |
| 20:40.40 | mhall | Sp4rKy: most things in this archive are things which got rejected somehow |
| 20:40.56 | mhall | Sp4rKy: since it's GPL, i'd have to guess a codec or algorithm patent / license problem |
| 20:41.03 | xav | oh wait |
| 20:41.16 | Sp4rKy | mhh, k |
| 20:41.16 | Sp4rKy | xav, yes ? |
| 20:41.16 | xav | kplayer is a mplayer frontend right? |
| 20:41.16 | mhall | Sp4rKy: one other thing to try though before we overdo the assumption |
| 20:41.32 | Sp4rKy | xav, yes |
| 20:41.33 | xav | mplayer got rejected, kplayer maybe not |
| 20:41.46 | xav | kplayer without mplayer is totally useless if it's a frontend |
| 20:41.53 | Sp4rKy | yes |
| 20:41.55 | mhall | Sp4rKy: yeah i think mplayer is the problem |
| 20:42.00 | DaBlade | xine ftw :) |
| 20:42.10 | Sp4rKy | oh, i thought mplayer was in debian |
| 20:42.14 | mhall | Sp4rKy: you generally aren't allowed to get into the archive, depending on a package that's not in the archive |
| 20:42.21 | xav | Sp4rKy: it's in ubuntu though, but the package sucks |
| 20:42.37 | Sp4rKy | mhh, k |
| 20:42.41 | mhall | Sp4rKy: supposedly they were gonna add mplayer to debian but there were some odd hiccups i can't comprehend |
| 20:42.41 | xav | maybe the debian marillat one is better, I'm not sure |
| 20:42.42 | Sp4rKy | i understand know :) |
| 20:43.02 | LoudFan | JimPanic: You could try making the device files and see if it works at all ... |
| 20:43.04 | xav | Sp4rKy: there is some lenght thread about it |
| 20:43.05 | mhall | xav: it seems to work OK for me but i usu. use. xine because mplayer's gui is bad and i don't need its extra features |
| 20:43.21 | xav | mhall: I don't use the gui |
| 20:43.31 | mhall | xav: some people apparently swear by the transcoder but lxdvdrip was always good enough for me |
| 20:43.43 | xav | actually, I think that's what I like about the player :) |
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| 20:43.57 | LoudFan | JimPanic: Geht vielleicht /dev/psaux? |
| 20:43.59 | Sp4rKy | xav, mhall ok, thanks for your help :D |
| 20:44.00 | xav | oh yes, about encoding, I only managed to do something with mencoder |
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| 20:44.01 | mhall | xav: which? the non-gui, or the transcoder? |
| 20:44.13 | mhall | Sp4rKy: sure, btw my ubuntu comment was a joke and i forgot the ;-) |
| 20:44.18 | mhall | Sp4rKy: sorry about that |
| 20:44.29 | LoudFan | JimPanic: I mean, did you try /dev/psaux? |
| 20:44.35 | Sp4rKy | mhall, np |
| 20:44.42 | xav | mhall: I both like mplayer (not gmplayer) for playing avi, and mencoder for encoding some |
| 20:44.47 | xav | mhall: and xine for playing dvd |
| 20:44.52 | mhall | LoudFan: lol, warum deutsch? |
| 20:45.04 | JimPanic | LoudFan: I've got something near to working...Xorg starts and displays a cursor which is randomly moved or not moved when I move the mouse. |
| 20:45.07 | mhall | and damnit, german needs an equivalent to 'lol' |
| 20:45.20 | xav | it doesnt have one? |
| 20:45.26 | LoudFan | mhall: Was an accident :) |
| 20:45.27 | zinx | germans laugh??? |
| 20:45.28 | JimPanic | mhall: lal? :\ |
| 20:45.33 | mhall | xav: i haven't seen a good one |
| 20:45.42 | mhall | xav: all they have is *g* which doesn't mean the same |
| 20:45.52 | LoudFan | JimPanic: Which device are you using? Now it looks like a simple mouse protocol issue. |
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| 20:46.04 | JimPanic | I use /dev/input/event1 |
| 20:46.19 | mhall | xav: the dictionary only says 'Die Suche nach lol lieferte keine Treffer' |
| 20:46.37 | mhall | xav: the search for lol delivered no matches, put literally |
| 20:46.47 | xav | yes, got that :) |
| 20:47.08 | mhall | xav: ah i wasn't sure if you spoke de_DE ;-) |
| 20:47.59 | mhall | i love lxdvdrip's closing message: Ready! Have fun with your backup safety copy! |
| 20:48.10 | xav | laut lachend |
| 20:48.14 | xav | ll |
| 20:48.35 | JimPanic | xav: Sucks. |
| 20:48.45 | mhall | xav: ah, that works pretty good, where'd you find it |
| 20:49.24 | mhall | LoudFan: so, how loud is the loud fan? or do you mean a loud fan of football, etc.? |
| 20:49.47 | JimPanic | LoudFan: LOL as soon as I move the mouse Xorg dies o_O |
| 20:49.53 | LoudFan | mhall: I have a very noisy fan on my graphics card. I do need to replace it soon :) |
| 20:50.02 | LoudFan | JimPanic: Don't panic :) |
| 20:50.11 | xav | JimPanic: ahah, neat |
| 20:50.39 | xav | actually, I had a lot of hardlock with linux, but only with X |
| 20:50.45 | JimPanic | Yea. |
| 20:50.50 | LoudFan | JimPanic: There really should be a /dev/input/mice device. |
| 20:50.51 | JimPanic | X is ..rjoiasjdohblegh. |
| 20:51.01 | JimPanic | LoudFan: How do I get one? You know a store? :P |
| 20:51.03 | xav | it makes linux much more unstable than windows :) |
| 20:51.09 | JimPanic | xav: True. |
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| 20:52.05 | JimPanic | Oook, I don't think those eventX stuff is correct. |
| 20:52.09 | JimPanic | Maybe the js0 ? :D |
| 20:52.32 | mhall | that's funny |
| 20:52.37 | mhall | X runs great on my machine |
| 20:52.44 | mhall | then again, my machine is fucking expensive |
| 20:53.02 | JimPanic | Well, mine was too..quite..not fucking. |
| 20:53.07 | mhall | 2 x Opteron 246, GF7600GT, 4GB RAM, 2TB storage |
| 20:53.09 | JimPanic | But this fucking wireless mouse is gay >< |
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| 20:53.17 | mhall | !gay |
| 20:53.18 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 20:53.24 | JimPanic | mhall: Ok. That is not expensive, that is kthxbye. |
| 20:53.39 | JimPanic | Oh, erm sorry. |
| 20:53.40 | mhall | JimPanic: kthxbye? |
| 20:53.44 | JimPanic | !kthxbye |
| 20:53.44 | dpkg | hmm... kthxbye is the pinnacle of English's advancement, shortening "All correct, Thank you, God be with you." into seven lowercase letters. Humanity is doomed. |
| 20:54.04 | mhall | JimPanic: actually i find kthxbye to be funny unlike 'gay' |
| 20:54.09 | JimPanic | Yea. |
| 20:54.13 | mhall | JimPanic: but i just didn't see how it related to product cost |
| 20:54.16 | bofh80 | err |
| 20:54.23 | mhall | !factinfo kthxbye |
| 20:54.23 | dpkg | kthxbye -- created by Brutus <~not-root@bzq-253-167.red.bezeqint.net> at Fri Sep 19 12:33:18 2003 (1087 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by JimPanic, 39s ago. |
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| 20:54.33 | bofh80 | so isn't there any nice gui's for linux wireless connections? |
| 20:54.34 | JimPanic | mhall: It's related to "holy shit..may I steal it? kthxbye" |
| 20:54.43 | mhall | JimPanic: ah lol |
| 20:54.48 | mhall | bofh80: kde has got some stuff |
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| 20:55.17 | bofh80 | mhall, ahh i use gnome :) i'll have a look in their sections.......gnome stuff sux for wireless ..... |
| 20:55.18 | JimPanic | Ok, well, X works..but..the mouse doesn't respong :o |
| 20:55.23 | JimPanic | s/respong/respond/ |
| 20:55.56 | bofh80 | quesiton: according to various instructions i created /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf . i'm rather confused as it seems to be ignoring the config? :) |
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| 20:56.12 | JimPanic | Does anyone know if there's a way to do anything without mouse in Gnome? :D |
| 20:56.20 | bofh80 | i think i'm connecting to AP's by sheer fuckin luck atm |
| 20:56.20 | LoudFan | I have a USB scanner connected to a debian 3.1. sane-find-scanner detects it nicely, scanimage -L claims, no scanner is attached. Both run as "root". Where do I start looking? |
| 20:56.59 | veleno | some times ago, i tried to install software raid. now that i removed one of the 2 disks, i'd like to disable /remove it. in var/log/messages i still sees this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/i0qCGW43.html any one can tell me what to do ? |
| 20:57.01 | JimPanic | LoudFan: I'd suggest in the scanimage config, but I assume you've done that already. |
| 20:57.12 | bofh80 | gnomebaker didn't get that name by co-incidence did it now. :S |
| 20:57.28 | xav | JimPanic: use a keyboard oriented wm |
| 20:57.51 | JimPanic | Woah Alt+F2 ftw! |
| 20:57.52 | bofh80 | what's this NON AUTHENTICATED packages stuff coming in apt all the time now?!?! |
| 20:58.05 | mhall | bofh80: what you might find as you get more advanced in UNIX is that Gnome will hold you back in terms of configurability |
| 20:58.29 | mhall | bofh80: this is due to their usage / HCI guidelines which are overly restrictive of configuration interfaces which have high complexitity |
| 20:58.53 | mhall | bofh80: so things like network config and printer config dialogs will not be in Gnome because the usability team thinks they are too hard to use |
| 20:59.07 | bofh80 | mhall, oh yeah i just went with it , cos i got sick of trying to net install ETCH so i downloaded a full i686 disk and thought what the hell, the machines fast enough, i'll have a look. it makes me laugh really, uses as much memory as the windows counterparts :P |
| 20:59.26 | LoudFan | JimPanic: I did not understand that last one. You suggest to do what? A scanimage config? |
| 20:59.27 | mhall | bofh80: Linus himself observed this a while ago on a mailing list which cause a big flareup |
| 20:59.35 | wols_ | mhall: so they want people to use vim to edit their configs manually? |
| 20:59.46 | mhall | bofh80: about memory consumption, there are a couple of issues there |
| 20:59.54 | mhall | wols_: one sec and i'll comment |
| 21:00.02 | bofh80 | mhall, LOL didn't know that. i usually go with ice........ |
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| 21:00.13 | xav | mhall: imo, it's great to have an user friendly desktop |
| 21:00.17 | mhall | bofh80: first thing, the developers argue that reduced memory consumption is one of many possible priorities and not the highest |
| 21:00.27 | wols_ | !tell bofh80 about 2006 key |
| 21:00.30 | mhall | xav: not saying it's not, i'm just commenting on the choice they made |
| 21:00.30 | JimPanic | LoudFan: I don't know if there's a config file or similar, but that'd be the first thing I'd look at. |
| 21:00.44 | magyar | is there a utility to be able o connect to a M$ VPN server from sid? |
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| 21:00.52 | xav | mhall: right |
| 21:00.57 | mhall | bofh80: other thing, linux reports memory use statistics that double count memory shared between processes |
| 21:00.58 | LoudFan | JimPanic: There is the /etc/sane.d/ directory. |
| 21:01.07 | bofh80 | mhall, it's quite strange, people stick with windows because of explorer shell, which crashes all the f**kin time, and strangley enough it's nautilis that really pulls in the gnome crowd, and it's just as shoddy as explorer :P |
| 21:01.12 | LoudFan | JimPanic: But scanimage -L should just list all available scanners. |
| 21:01.16 | mhall | bofh80: and linux apps scale their use of memory based on what's available because linux caches more aggressively |
| 21:01.21 | wols_ | mhall: to be fair, linux and windows xp use about the same amount of memory when you use gnome or kde |
| 21:01.23 | JimPanic | LoudFan: Oh. |
| 21:01.23 | LoudFan | JimPanic: Which it does not. |
| 21:01.46 | mhall | wols_: i don't necessarily agree. in unix, a common shared library is loaded only one time and its use is double counted |
| 21:01.56 | LoudFan | JimPanic: However, sane-find-scanner does. |
| 21:01.56 | mhall | wols_: kde and gnome apps use stunning numbers of shared libraries |
| 21:02.06 | mhall | wols_: and each one only needs to load one time |
| 21:02.09 | wols_ | mhall: I don't mean your memory displays. I mean how much memory you need to run a system |
| 21:02.17 | JimPanic | LoudFan: Yet another mysterious thing. My mouse still doesn't work, too. :P |
| 21:02.19 | wols_ | it's 256-512MB just as it is with windows |
| 21:02.25 | LoudFan | JimPanic: Usually this points at a user rights problem, but I tried as root and it is not working. |
| 21:02.40 | wols_ | windows uses a metric shitload of (COM)dlls. same thing |
| 21:02.44 | mhall | wols_: also, if you have a multiuser system, the processes each only have to be loaded one time for the binary text section |
| 21:02.56 | mhall | wols_: i think dlls don't get loaded once though |
| 21:02.57 | LoudFan | JimPanic: Yeah, sometimes setting up hardware can be a problem. |
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| 21:03.02 | bofh80 | mhall, wols_ is correct, if i have 128meg of memory or even 256 i probably wouldn't bother with gnome or kde, too slow :P |
| 21:03.06 | wols_ | mhall: you think wrong |
| 21:03.23 | mhall | bofh80: i use the latest stuff on 256 and it works ok |
| 21:03.26 | xav | I'm not sure about windows, but on linux I need 512MB to run gnome and launch memory hungry apps like openoffice and firefox |
| 21:03.37 | mhall | bofh80: the big offender for me doesn't seem to be the desktop, but firefox and openoffice |
| 21:03.43 | bofh80 | mhall, yeah OK, but then how long does open office take on that to open the first time :P |
| 21:03.51 | xav | 256 is enough if you don't use these |
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| 21:03.57 | mhall | bofh80: well, a while, but i don't blame X KDE or Gnome for that |
| 21:04.05 | mhall | bofh80: openoffice uses a lot of java |
| 21:04.11 | bofh80 | mhall, hahahahaha i agree, it's not huge on the ram, but in comparision icewm is so much lighter and crisper |
| 21:04.11 | mhall | java chews more memory than ANYTHING |
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| 21:04.28 | bofh80 | mhall, sigh makes sense, java bad. very bad |
| 21:04.33 | wols_ | mhall: I do, since it'S the exact same thing as it is with those two apps in windows. meaning linux and windows use the same amount of memory under kde/gnome, just as I said |
| 21:04.35 | mhall | bofh80: yeah, you can disable a lot of the stuff in KDE |
| 21:04.39 | xav | mhall: not running gnome and kde helps when you're very tight on memory |
| 21:05.00 | mhall | xav: at least you can run Unix without X |
| 21:05.07 | mhall | xav: windows doesn't have that feature |
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| 21:05.14 | wols_ | or use *box for a window manager, etc |
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| 21:05.20 | mhall | xav: hence why i don't use it when i can avoid it; the CLI is crap |
| 21:05.20 | SnarceZ | hi all |
| 21:05.25 | seeker | mhall: yes it does, it's called DOS. <grin> |
| 21:05.31 | xav | yes, it doesn't seem to user friendly though |
| 21:05.31 | bofh80 | xav, you say that which is fine, and is probably true, how ever if more clever coders were on the team, i'm sure the code could be a lot cleaner :) |
| 21:05.43 | mhall | wols_: i dunno, i think the commumity would be best served by upgrades to openoffice and firefox myself |
| 21:05.49 | wols_ | bofh80: not worth the effort |
| 21:05.50 | xav | bofh80: which team? |
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| 21:06.00 | rahsputin | hi |
| 21:06.03 | wols_ | and I rather get more cool new features from those coders than less bloaty code |
| 21:06.05 | bofh80 | wols_, probably not |
| 21:06.06 | wols_ | hardware is cheap |
| 21:06.07 | baegle | if I want to get a package from stable, do I have to add a repository specifically for stable? |
| 21:06.11 | mhall | KDE and Gnome couldn't use that much less RAM than they already do |
| 21:06.15 | baegle | all my repositories are for etch |
| 21:06.23 | mhall | unless you want them to look and act like Win 3.1 |
| 21:06.26 | mhall | god forbid |
| 21:06.37 | mhall | baegle: yeah you do |
| 21:06.41 | baegle | mhall: Thanks |
| 21:06.41 | wols_ | baegle: yes. but why would you want to if you already run etch? |
| 21:06.42 | mhall | baegle: but it won't fuck up etch |
| 21:06.47 | mhall | wols_: bugs |
| 21:07.07 | mhall | baegle: i have all three deb versions in my config, in case i have to grab old packages |
| 21:07.14 | SnarceZ | i have a problem with X... today i installed some glx packages and now it doesn't work anymore |
| 21:07.24 | bofh80 | why are there quite a few packages in stable and unstable but mising from testing, it's a bit strange |
| 21:07.24 | baegle | wols_: because gnucash-docs on testing is version 1.9 and won't install with gnucash 1.8, which is the only available gnucash version on etch |
| 21:07.45 | SnarceZ | I also tried do reconfigure xorg but it still doesn't work... |
| 21:07.47 | eide | bofh80: yeah. Like vlc. Hasn't been in testing for ages |
| 21:08.01 | mhall | bofh80: ok. this is because there are rules a package must meet before it goes to testing |
| 21:08.05 | mhall | !missing in etch |
| 21:08.18 | mhall | dpkg: listkeys missing etch |
| 21:08.19 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'missing etch' by key returned no results. |
| 21:08.22 | mhall | dpkg: listkeys missing |
| 21:08.23 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'missing' by key (2): missing_packages ;; missing startx. |
| 21:08.32 | jelly-home | !not in testing |
| 21:08.47 | mhall | jelly-home: ah that's what it was, i couldn't remember |
| 21:08.58 | jelly-home | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 21:08.58 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
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| 21:09.19 | mhall | jelly-home: they need a fact for the situation and the site in general |
| 21:09.26 | mhall | jelly-home: but i'm not sure what a person would name it |
| 21:09.40 | jelly-home | mhall: there was a general factiod but I can't remember it |
| 21:10.04 | mhall | bofh80: in any case, jelly-home's link from dpkg describes the situation pretty well |
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| 21:10.51 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:10.51 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:10.54 | tarzeau | hi mhall! |
| 21:11.31 | JimPanic | Oh..wow..COOL! |
| 21:11.34 | JimPanic | I've got it working :) |
| 21:11.48 | rahsputin | i have a ATI Mach64 VT... and cannot get x to start... screen goes blank and clicks on and off a few time.. then returns back to commandline... anybody an idea |
| 21:11.57 | JimPanic | cat /proc/bus/input/devices helped me. |
| 21:11.57 | rahsputin | whats to do |
| 21:12.05 | mhall | tarzeau: 'lo |
| 21:12.06 | tarzeau | rahsputin: that's not a radeon, right? |
| 21:12.28 | rahsputin | well ATI chip... dont know, something old |
| 21:12.29 | mhall | tarzeau: lspci? |
| 21:12.42 | mhall | tarzeau: 64s were pci/agp |
| 21:12.52 | mhall | tarzeau: used to have one myself |
| 21:12.56 | tarzeau | me too |
| 21:13.16 | tarzeau | just asked because the radeons can do really fast 3d |
| 21:13.43 | b_52Centos | guys do you know any crm based on python ? |
| 21:13.57 | tarzeau | i have ice crm in my fridge |
| 21:14.19 | b_52Centos | tarzeau, could i have one please :d |
| 21:14.25 | mhall | holy shit, they just forked cdrecord |
| 21:14.39 | mhall | i thought that they'd never be able to fix the problem with that guy |
| 21:14.43 | mhall | i guess this proves it's so |
| 21:14.57 | JimPanic | Thanks for you help, bye! |
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| 21:15.04 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:15.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd77 is <bullet> woohoo here goes dist-upgrade.. this seems so fast after doing an emerge world -e in gentoo |
| 21:16.05 | mhall | tarzeau: i'm lovin' it |
| 21:16.53 | b_52Centos | os/is |
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| 21:17.16 | tarzeau | b_52Centos: sure, you can have some. here: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/haus.jpg |
| 21:17.36 | tarzeau | the door is open, i never lock it |
| 21:17.47 | b_52Centos | hhhhhh |
| 21:17.56 | b_52Centos | tarzeau, you leave in hungaria ? |
| 21:18.14 | tarzeau | b_52Centos: no. switzerland. when you enter , stairs up, right, 2nd door right |
| 21:18.40 | b_52Centos | tarzeau, :D thanks a lot :) |
| 21:18.45 | tarzeau | you're welcome |
| 21:18.48 | b_52Centos | :) |
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| 21:19.16 | tarzeau | bring some dvd. we can watch it on the beamer in my living door while eating the ice crm |
| 21:20.05 | mhall | i like the signature line of the cdrecord fork announcement: 'bye Joerg'. LOL! |
| 21:20.17 | amphi | heh |
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| 21:20.55 | tarzeau | mhall: optical stoarge only still exists because internet still is too commercial, and consumer devices can't do proper networking |
| 21:21.31 | xav | mhall: that's for thanking him for his work ? |
| 21:21.39 | tarzeau | oh and because pc bios sucks |
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| 21:22.42 | xav | tarzeau: other storages suck |
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| 21:23.00 | tarzeau | xav: harddisk? |
| 21:23.04 | xav | yes |
| 21:23.43 | tarzeau | xav: optical storage sucks more than harddisk |
| 21:23.57 | wols_ | xav: if you mean thanking as in "fuck off joerg and hope we never meet again": yes |
| 21:24.48 | xav | wols_: the guy seems really weird, but he still wrote that thing |
| 21:25.13 | xav | if I write one alternative from scratch, you could say whatever you want |
| 21:25.38 | eide | he GPL-ed it, he should have seen it coming |
| 21:25.47 | xav | that's just the way I see it atm, I could be totally wrong |
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| 21:27.55 | mhall | well they did ask Joerg to fix the license |
| 21:27.56 | xav | I read me again only now.. it was "if you write one" obviously |
| 21:28.02 | mhall | but he wouldn't even reply |
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| 21:28.07 | mhall | to that part of their mails |
| 21:28.11 | mhall | Joerg is a selective replier |
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| 21:29.15 | wols_ | xav: he is an asshole, pure and simple |
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| 21:32.08 | Trewas | at least he is a fantastic troll, never fails to bait whatever can be and ignores the rest :P |
| 21:33.17 | mhall | he's so good at it too |
| 21:33.21 | mhall | really really brilliant |
| 21:33.27 | mhall | i always laugh when reading his mails |
| 21:33.40 | mhall | do you suppose he knows what he's doing |
| 21:33.42 | Firestarter | in a shell script how do I do an if exist file1.dat goto data1 type command like in dos |
| 21:33.48 | mhall | or is he just that way naturally |
| 21:33.59 | mhall | Firestarter: man [ |
| 21:34.16 | wols_ | it's natural. if it were artificial, he'd stop once in a while or have places where he doesn't troll |
| 21:34.32 | wols_ | I couldn't find such a place yet and no one else has either afaik |
| 21:34.34 | magnet | Firestarter: in bash, if [ -e file ]; then command fi |
| 21:34.44 | xav | wols_: that's only on the net though |
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| 21:35.16 | xav | wols_: he maybe has a net personality of an asshole |
| 21:35.30 | wols_ | if he knew what he'S doing he'd stop |
| 21:35.30 | stoned | hey |
| 21:35.32 | stoned | man |
| 21:35.36 | wols_ | it's not a jekyll/hyde thing |
| 21:35.43 | stoned | who |
| 21:35.45 | xav | :) |
| 21:35.59 | xav | stoned: cdrecord author |
| 21:36.00 | wols_ | Joerg Schilling |
| 21:36.08 | Trewas | what I have read/heard he is quite reasonable as long as the topic is something he agrees with, if he doesn't then it's completely different... |
| 21:36.12 | stoned | what about him |
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| 21:36.25 | stoned | his name is Schilling? |
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| 21:36.29 | stoned | hmm |
| 21:36.32 | wols_ | Trewas: the thing is it's hard to find something he agrees with, very hard |
| 21:36.45 | stoned | thats pretty much as stupid a name as Money Penny |
| 21:37.16 | xav | stoned: is that as stupid a nickname as stoned? |
| 21:37.22 | stoned | yes |
| 21:37.25 | stoned | even stupider |
| 21:37.29 | xav | wow |
| 21:37.33 | stoned | not more stupid |
| 21:37.34 | mhall | stoned: i'm missing the inbuilt stupidity you claim |
| 21:37.36 | stoned | "stupider" |
| 21:37.50 | stoned | hey man |
| 21:37.52 | stoned | whats goin on |
| 21:37.54 | Trewas | wols_: not if it involves solaris for example :) it seemed like he lost it with anything linux-related when 2.6 kernels made some cd-burning related changes |
| 21:38.00 | mhall | not too much |
| 21:38.00 | wols_ | stupider is a perfectly cromulent word |
| 21:38.30 | mhall | Trewas: yes, he objected to them making security improvements to prevent users sending scsi commands which could physically destroy devices |
| 21:38.32 | wols_ | Trewas: well, the thing is, his views about solaris are different from everyon elses |
| 21:38.37 | stoned | matt man I got a new glass piece |
| 21:38.39 | wols_ | except maybe sun marketroids :) |
| 21:38.42 | stoned | its fumed with silver |
| 21:38.44 | mhall | Trewas: and linus and friends told him he's psycho |
| 21:38.49 | mhall | stoned: hmm. 1337. |
| 21:38.53 | stoned | it changes colors from blue to greenish blue when you smoke in it |
| 21:38.54 | stoned | :D |
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| 21:39.36 | mhall | stoned: /* but sadly i can't partake */ (mhall_health_flags & ASTHMA) == true |
| 21:39.41 | shut- | i got a problem |
| 21:39.47 | stoned | lol |
| 21:39.48 | Trewas | mhall: yeah, and his insistence on using the scsi-numbering for everuthing, and linus refusing to make that easy |
| 21:40.07 | stoned | !debian |
| 21:40.08 | dpkg | hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 21:40.11 | shut- | when i reboot after i install debain it ask for a command |
| 21:40.20 | stoned | shut-, what do you mean |
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| 21:40.54 | shut- | like when u boot ur pc up it askes for a command to go to desktop |
| 21:40.56 | wols_ | shut-: what command? |
| 21:41.04 | stoned | shut-, what does it ask for exactly? |
| 21:41.13 | mhall | Trewas: scsi numbering is crap |
| 21:41.20 | shut- | and when i put statx says command not found |
| 21:41.33 | mhall | Trewas: i wish joerg would just admit, that he should use devices, because that's what you use in unix |
| 21:41.36 | wols_ | shut-: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 21:41.50 | shut- | ok |
| 21:41.50 | xav | mhall: unix sucks |
| 21:41.57 | mhall | xav: ? |
| 21:42.05 | john_doe | I'm considering installing sarge on a server. Right now the server acts as an imap and pop mail server with webmail interface (and direct imap access from remote). The Sarge install must do this too, but I have never tried configuring a mail server. Will it work easily? |
| 21:42.08 | stoned | what a tool |
| 21:42.09 | wols_ | xav: probably. but so far the alternatives are worse |
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| 21:42.30 | wols_ | john_doe: no. mail servers are never easy |
| 21:42.41 | wols_ | john_doe: what mail software are you currently using? |
| 21:42.49 | xav | wols_: right |
| 21:43.05 | shut- | how do i get gnome ? |
| 21:43.10 | stoned | !install gnome |
| 21:43.10 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 21:43.15 | wols_ | apt-get install gnome |
| 21:43.23 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 21:43.23 | dpkg | i guess dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 21:43.45 | wols_ | shut-: install gdm too |
| 21:43.56 | shut- | how |
| 21:44.07 | wols_ | "apt-get install gdm"... |
| 21:44.08 | john_doe | wols_: well, it's a E-smith install. It comes with an out-of-the-box working (I think, dovecot) mail server. |
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| 21:44.36 | wols_ | john_doe: dovecot is available for debian too. but that's only a third of what you need. you need to replace the webmail and the MTA too |
| 21:44.48 | shut- | that all i need |
| 21:45.18 | dansushi | how do i make my login manager gdm instead of kdm? |
| 21:45.32 | john_doe | wols_: MTA? |
| 21:45.33 | wols_ | dansushi: install gdm |
| 21:45.41 | wols_ | mail transfer agent |
| 21:45.45 | xav | dpkg-reconfigure if it's already installed |
| 21:46.05 | john_doe | wols_: It doesn't need to be the same software. It just need to work... |
| 21:46.12 | dansushi | wols_, it is installed |
| 21:46.33 | wols_ | john_doe: the imap server needs to be the same software since you want to migrate the old mail directories I assume |
| 21:46.52 | wols_ | dansushi: see what xav said |
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| 21:47.47 | dansushi | is anyone else getting this error when doing apt-get?: Setting up atokx2 (17.0-2.0-4) ... |
| 21:47.48 | dansushi | md5sum: /cdrom/bin/ATOK/atokx-17.0-2.0.i386.tar.gz: No such file or directory |
| 21:47.48 | dansushi | Bad archive: /cdrom/bin/ATOK/atokx-17.0-2.0.i386.tar.gz |
| 21:47.48 | dansushi | Installation was failed. |
| 21:47.48 | dansushi | Please check archive files and run "install-atokx2" command manually. |
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| 21:47.57 | mhall | lol |
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| 21:47.58 | mhall | Indeed, you are not free to add whatever piece of crap to the Debian |
| 21:47.58 | mhall | archive regardless of the license. Call it a non-free project if you |
| 21:48.00 | mhall | want, but this would only look like a calumniation campaign against us. |
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| 21:48.09 | dansushi | sorry i didn't realize it was that big |
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| 21:48.20 | mhall | !kill mhall |
| 21:48.26 | john_doe | wols_: yes, but it's in maildir format. Isn't that compatible with most mail servers? |
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| 21:48.49 | wols_ | john_doe: mail server != imap serve |
| 21:48.58 | charwood | Noob Question: When I try and "apt-get install kde" on etch I get a broken dependency on kdewebdev. |
| 21:49.00 | freeone3000 | How complete is the x64 port? |
| 21:49.04 | wols_ | but yes, most imap servers can use it, dovecot or courier mainly |
| 21:49.12 | freeone3000 | charwood: Hmm? Which one? |
| 21:49.24 | john_doe | wols_: what's an example on an MTA? |
| 21:49.31 | Blissex | freeone3000: pretty complete. Ubuntu/x64 is derived from it and is a clone of x86. |
| 21:49.34 | freeone3000 | john_doe: exim4 |
| 21:49.35 | charwood | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.38 | freeone3000 | Blissex: Alrighty. Cool. |
| 21:49.39 | wols_ | john_doe: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/index.shtml is a good howto |
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| 21:49.42 | freeone3000 | charwood: Install that then. |
| 21:49.53 | wols_ | john_doe: exim4 which is debian default and postfix are both MTAs |
| 21:50.08 | wols_ | since you don't know (much) about mail use one of those two and stay away from others |
| 21:50.08 | freeone3000 | Nother question, would I have to get another livecd, or just update everything on the disk and reboot? |
| 21:50.34 | charwood | depends: on Quanta, kfilterplace, kimagemapeditor, klinkstatus, kommander, kxsldbg none of which "are going to be installed." |
| 21:50.48 | wols_ | freeone3000: what liveCDs? there are no debian live CDs |
| 21:50.48 | freeone3000 | charwood: install those, then. |
| 21:50.53 | john_doe | wols_: Why will I have to replace exim? It works great on my debian box. |
| 21:50.56 | freeone3000 | wols_: Netinstall cds. Whatever. |
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| 21:51.11 | wols_ | john_doe: you don't have to. I just gave you an alternative |
| 21:51.21 | Blissex | wols_: well, there are Debian/BSD live CDs, which are not totally official though :-) |
| 21:51.29 | wols_ | freeone3000: if you currently rn a 32bit debian, you must reinstall |
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| 21:52.12 | freeone3000 | wols_: Would I have to reformat? |
| 21:52.42 | jesperc | hey...is anyone else having problems with gnome after upgrading? |
| 21:53.04 | wols_ | freeone3000: you'd have to fully reinstall. no old binary lingering. your /home and /etc could stay more or less |
| 21:53.13 | john_doe | wols_: first you said: "you need to replace the webmail and the MTA too". but nevermind... |
| 21:53.14 | charwood | kommander, kfilereplace has no installation candidate, and others depend on kdewebdev-doc-html which "have no installation candidate". |
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| 21:53.40 | wols_ | john_doe: well replace with new versions since the e-smit thing won't be there anymore |
| 21:53.44 | charwood | I guess i assumed that meant that my sources.list was all jacked up. |
| 21:54.27 | Firestarter | thanks mhall magnet |
| 21:54.33 | freeone3000 | wols_: ...Joy. |
| 21:54.34 | mhall | Firestarter: ? |
| 21:54.35 | jesperc | i can log in with gdm but after that nothing happens |
| 21:54.39 | john_doe | wols_: oh, then I just misunderstood... |
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| 21:54.51 | Firestarter | mhall [ |
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| 21:54.57 | mhall | Firestarter: ah, forgot. :-) |
| 21:55.01 | Firestarter | heh |
| 21:55.05 | magnet | np :) |
| 21:55.10 | mhall | Firestarter: it's got to be the weirdest named of the unix commands |
| 21:55.30 | freeone3000 | ...Are there any tools to put files from one partitoin into another without using additional disk space? |
| 21:55.52 | wols_ | freeone3000: mv |
| 21:55.58 | Firestarter | mhall: is there some of goto and label system in bash? |
| 21:56.28 | rudenstam | I just changed kernel from 2.4.3x to 2.6.17.11 and it seems like my /dev/md0 have gone missing... I have /dev/md/ but nothing inside it ? I have built md support into the kernel, cept some raid types and dm destinations that I built as modules.. how can I find my md0 again ? :) |
| 21:56.31 | ldexter | fireba11_grr: use a function |
| 21:56.50 | Rockj | hum can I check if I use devfs? |
| 21:56.52 | john_doe | wols_: but maybe I can do with just using the standard software from the debian install: exim, an imap server, and a webmail server like squirrelmail? |
| 21:56.54 | freeone3000 | wols_: But that'd require allocated space on the second parition. |
| 21:56.57 | Firestarter | some= some sort |
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| 21:57.13 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 21:57.21 | wols_ | you can't copy something to a partition without space available... |
| 21:57.34 | freeone3000 | Ah wells. |
| 21:57.39 | wols_ | john_doe: of course you can |
| 21:57.41 | freeone3000 | I'll just use it for the SSE2 then. |
| 21:57.56 | wols_ | freeone3000: stay away from uw imapd btw. either courier or dovecot |
| 21:58.28 | xav | it isn't possible to ignore a prerm script ? |
| 21:58.31 | john_doe | wols_: I would just think that there would be an easy way on debian when there is on the e-smith install. I didn't configure more than the network on that... |
| 21:58.37 | wols_ | rudenstam: do you have SATA disks? |
| 21:58.58 | wols_ | john_doe: you'd think wrong |
| 21:58.59 | rudenstam | wols_: no.. but I got a hpt driver loaded that calls the PATA disks sdx |
| 21:59.03 | confrey | a little help please : I have etch installed on my noteb, but I can't mount removable devices, like usb-pen and cameras; tail about messages tell me nothing, it seem the devices are unknown, helpme, thanks |
| 21:59.13 | dansushi | can someone here help me out with a little apt-get problem. the error i get is right here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/FvLR7a96.html |
| 21:59.15 | wols_ | there is no easy way to a complete mail setup. e-smith has a single sort of setup which is already preconfigured |
| 21:59.27 | wols_ | with dbeian you can do anything you want but you also have to configure it yourself |
| 21:59.32 | charwood | My sources.list contains only: ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free and it's source equivalent. |
| 21:59.40 | john_doe | wols_: hmm |
| 21:59.47 | charwood | That should be enough to install kde, right? |
| 21:59.55 | seeker | Is Enlightenment RC17 anywere in Debian, i.e. Experimental or elsewhere? |
| 22:00.24 | mhall | Firestarter: there are a number of different control methods |
| 22:00.38 | mhall | Firestarter: you can have functions |
| 22:00.49 | mhall | Firestarter: usually functions lead to not needing goto |
| 22:00.50 | rudenstam | wols_: any tips ? |
| 22:00.56 | seeker | course, I can just head over to debian.org and look for myself.. nm. |
| 22:01.03 | john_doe | wols_: but my experience is that dpkg is extremely helpful and that you are guided through a lot of configuration. |
| 22:01.04 | wols_ | rudenstam: no, sorry |
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| 22:01.29 | Firestarter | mhall: when using goto how do the labels need to be formated |
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| 22:01.46 | Firestarter | mhall: label: or :label ? |
| 22:01.49 | wols_ | john_doe: not everything can be deconfied |
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| 22:02.56 | charwood | Is there a separate channel for debian-testing? |
| 22:03.15 | wols_ | charwood: afaik no. why? |
| 22:03.19 | seeker | !alsa |
| 22:03.19 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://wiki.debian.org/?ALSA , or see <alsa one-liner> |
| 22:03.32 | charwood | wols_: It's just a little crowded. (-8 |
| 22:03.57 | charwood | I feel bad asking noob questions where there are probbly a lot of important Debian folk here. |
| 22:04.13 | john_doe | wols_: then I don't think I dare trying to switch to debian on the server... |
| 22:04.14 | seeker | alsa is still the de facto sound architecture, yes? |
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| 22:04.27 | wols_ | charwood: yoU're wrong. this is irc. there are only idiots by definition here :) |
| 22:04.40 | xav | eheh |
| 22:04.41 | charwood | wols_: Right. Idiot Relay Chat. |
| 22:04.43 | seeker | charwood: don't feel bad, I do it all of the time. Just make sure you're googled your exact question first. |
| 22:04.43 | john_doe | wols_: but thank you very much |
| 22:04.48 | wols_ | don't worry, you can ask anything dbeian related. but you aren't guaranteed an answer |
| 22:05.22 | seeker | !sound |
| 22:05.22 | dpkg | sound is probably ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 22:05.25 | charwood | Indeed I have googled. I sort of consider myself a reasonable debian user. Yet I appear to be the only one having trouble installing kde on vanilla debian testing. |
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| 22:05.37 | cydork | !tell seeker about msg the bot |
| 22:05.37 | wols_ | charwood: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kdewebdev-doc-html&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 22:05.45 | tarzeau | charwood: tried it with sid? |
| 22:05.49 | seeker | cydork: sorry. <grin> |
| 22:06.00 | charwood | tarzeau: I'm not interested in sid for my laptop. |
| 22:06.06 | mhall | Firestarter: reconsider your use of goto |
| 22:06.16 | Firestarter | OK |
| 22:06.24 | tarzeau | charwood: why not? |
| 22:06.26 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 22:06.27 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 22:07.02 | charwood | tarzeau: Well, because with sid I usually have this kind of trouble. I was hoping it would all go way in testing (this trouble being depency problems) |
| 22:07.09 | tarzeau | charwood: there is nobody to make sure bugs don't slip through into testing |
| 22:07.31 | tarzeau | charwood: no it won't. especially not on huge deps like kde software have |
| 22:07.38 | tarzeau | even less so with gnome |
| 22:07.48 | tarzeau | charwood: if you want gnome or kde, you want stable |
| 22:07.53 | tarzeau | or fix the stuff yourself |
| 22:07.54 | cydork | tarzeau, i am still using sid on laptop, but i use fluxbox :) |
| 22:07.57 | tarzeau | or use ubuntu |
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| 22:08.03 | exobyte | where should I put my iptables script, or is there already a default one without rules? I want it to start up on its own |
| 22:08.06 | charwood | tarzeau: But what I really, really, really want is a 2.6.17 kernel on debian. I love debian. |
| 22:08.10 | tarzeau | cydork: i also use sid, on many places |
| 22:08.19 | tarzeau | cydork: no problem at all. of course i don't use any gnome/kde software |
| 22:08.22 | charwood | I suppose if that's not possible then i should just suck it up though. (-8 |
| 22:08.29 | tarzeau | charwood: you can have 2.6.17 kernel with stable |
| 22:08.36 | wols_ | exobyte: I'd make an /etc directory for it |
| 22:08.41 | wols_ | and start it via /etc/init.d/ |
| 22:08.42 | charwood | Really? |
| 22:08.46 | cydork | tarzeau, i think that's the prob not many people who use sid use gnome or kde i guess |
| 22:08.49 | tarzeau | charwood: just do it yourself using make-kpkg and www.kernel.org |
| 22:08.54 | tarzeau | charwood: sure, we have that at work |
| 22:09.10 | tarzeau | charwood: but i don't know any sane person who wants to run stable stone age software |
| 22:09.13 | cydork | charwood, /msg dpkg kp-mantra |
| 22:09.15 | wols_ | charwood: or look on backports.org |
| 22:09.45 | tarzeau | wols_: if i had to manage more than 5 backports, or say 50. you're much better off with sid instead |
| 22:09.53 | seeker | cydork: is it possible to make a ! factoid command that will essentially perform the same as '/msg apt tell me about 'blah''? |
| 22:09.55 | charwood | tarzeau: Indeed. I'd sure like to do so on testing. I assume there are tens of thousands who do, but i seem too incompetent. -8 |
| 22:10.01 | exobyte | wols_: is there any reason I can't just put a script named firewall in /etc/init.d |
| 22:10.04 | cydork | tarzeau, people use stable for servers, including me. |
| 22:10.06 | tarzeau | personally i'd not put anything in sources.list but main, and official sid |
| 22:10.17 | tarzeau | cydork: people use stable for workstations, excluding me. |
| 22:10.33 | tarzeau | cydork: people use freebsd with latest ports for servers too |
| 22:10.33 | cydork | tarzeau, na i use testing for that. :) |
| 22:10.38 | tarzeau | (as well as workstations) |
| 22:11.02 | seeker | charwood: If I'm understanding this correctly, you're running Stable and having a problem installing KDE? |
| 22:11.27 | cydork | tarzeau, i hate freebsd i tried it some time back. but shifted back to sarge. |
| 22:11.41 | tarzeau | cydork: how much time back? |
| 22:11.59 | tarzeau | cydork: try debian gnu/kfreebsd then? |
| 22:11.59 | cydork | seeker, why can you just /msg dpkg topic. |
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| 22:12.01 | charwood | seeker: I'm running testing. Just installed it and it came with gnome (no offense, but not for me). So the first thing i did was apt-get install kde. But it didn't work. |
| 22:12.22 | cydork | tarzeau, hmm i haven't tried that yet. |
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| 22:12.29 | tarzeau | cydork: #gnu-kbsd |
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| 22:12.53 | xav | I find this mixing weird |
| 22:12.58 | seeker | cydork: becuase '/msg dpkg ' is 10 characters, and, say, ! is 2? I can, just asking if it's possible. |
| 22:13.08 | tarzeau | xav: gnu c library and freebsd kernel? |
| 22:13.13 | xav | yes |
| 22:13.17 | tarzeau | i like it |
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| 22:13.45 | cydork | seeker, when you use ! it will be displayed on channel, which is unnecessory i think. |
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| 22:13.59 | xav | one thing I like about fbsd is everything seems more consistent |
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| 22:14.20 | charwood | Is anyone here running testing and kde? |
| 22:14.25 | Firestarter | mhall: is it possible to have if [ -e file ]; then command fi run a command if a file don't exist instead of running a command if it don't exist |
| 22:14.26 | cydork | xav, what do you mean by consistent? |
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| 22:14.31 | tarzeau | charwood: try #debian-kde |
| 22:14.31 | xav | mostly because the kernel and the base system are maintained together |
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| 22:15.00 | cydork | charwood, wht do you mean that it doesn't work? |
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| 22:15.19 | seeker | cydork: obviously, hence myquestion about making a seperate work-alike to ! which will perform the action of '/msg dpkg '. Get it? |
| 22:15.38 | charwood | tarzeau: Thanks. |
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| 22:16.08 | cydork | seeker, you a client which will have some kind of alias, get it? :) |
| 22:16.20 | cydork | s/you/use/ |
| 22:17.20 | seeker | cydork: don't be an ass. charwood has been on here for half an hour asking for help with little or no response other than telling him to do something other than what he wants to do. In addtion, I was asking about the possibility, and not you. I've yet to see you help anyone here. |
| 22:17.36 | seeker | So please, stop helping me. |
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| 22:17.56 | cydork | ~moron seeker |
| 22:18.02 | cydork | :) |
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| 22:18.13 | seeker | a title accepted with pleasure in this instance. |
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| 22:18.41 | cydork | !moron seeker |
| 22:18.42 | dpkg | seeker: You are moron #63 |
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| 22:19.16 | seeker | No, to whit, is it possible to create a factoid shortcut that will perform the same as '/msg dpkg '? |
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| 22:19.58 | wols_ | it would be a irc client thing, not a factoid |
| 22:20.02 | seeker | s/No/Now/ |
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| 22:20.13 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 22:20.36 | ribnitz | Anyone else having issues with freedb and k3b? |
| 22:20.47 | seeker | So the !<blah> shortcut is integral to the client and not someting integral to blootbot or whatever bot is being used in #debian? |
| 22:20.48 | cydork | wols_, i already told him, but i dont think he really is paying attention to me :) |
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| 22:20.57 | ribnitz | aka. communication errors |
| 22:21.37 | wols_ | seeker: the ! shhortcut is part of the bot |
| 22:21.45 | wols_ | but everything starting with / is client thing |
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| 22:23.00 | seeker | wols_: so what I'm asking.. Ahah! so it is not possible to have a '!' type shortcut that will perform the same as /msg dpkg, etc.. Ok, thanks. |
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| 22:24.17 | wols_ | it is possible. but you'd have to change your client |
| 22:24.42 | wols_ | if the client says "I now have a fucntion where !dpkg means /msg dpkg", you're done |
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| 22:25.21 | mhall | Firestarter: hmm you could use if else |
| 22:25.23 | seeker | I am frequently on different systems with different applications available to me, and I cannot install my preferred client all of the time, so I am left trying to find out other ways to perform a given action. Subsequently, if there are server side utilities which provide a standardized interface I capitalize on them whenever possible. |
| 22:25.48 | seeker | wols_: cydork: ^^^^^^^^^^ |
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| 22:26.49 | seeker | hence my question(s). |
| 22:27.08 | mhall | Firestarter: with if else you get the chance to execute both a command when it works, and a command when it does not work |
| 22:27.42 | mhall | Firestarter: there is also the ! operator |
| 22:27.47 | mhall | Firestarter: this reverses your test |
| 22:28.06 | mhall | Firestarter: if you describe the purpose of your script perhaps i can give you more useful suggestions |
| 22:28.49 | Firestarter | I just got it working with the ! |
| 22:28.59 | Firestarter | thanks |
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| 22:31.14 | mhall | Firestarter: you bet |
| 22:31.29 | gimmulf | Hi, just installed screen thru apt-get but when i try to run it this shows up: Cannot find terminfo entry for 'rxvt-unicode'. |
| 22:31.32 | gimmulf | please help |
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| 22:33.04 | mhall | god damn my fucking apartment, it's populated with ants |
| 22:33.11 | mhall | and i keep keep the bastards away |
| 22:33.15 | saboteur | do they pay rent |
| 22:33.51 | magnet | that's a good beginning for a song |
| 22:34.06 | magnet | "god damn my fucking appartment, populated with ants, they don't even pay a rant .." |
| 22:34.10 | magnet | rent* |
| 22:34.36 | freedude | well... |
| 22:34.41 | freedude | it does rhyme... |
| 22:35.02 | magnet | i'm gonna move into a tent? |
| 22:35.03 | magnet | :) |
| 22:35.15 | magnet | well, time to sleep, bye :) |
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| 22:38.47 | CyberTop | hi all |
| 22:39.33 | jesperc | ok i just asked why gnome wouldn't start...nobody answered...so i had to figure it out myself...and a reinstall of gnome-applets did the trick |
| 22:39.43 | CyberTop | How it goes? |
| 22:40.24 | jesperc | ...preceded by a forced upgrade of libgnomevfs2-common |
| 22:40.44 | CyberTop | boys I would have a problem
you help me to resolve it? |
| 22:41.02 | azeem | CyberTop: just ask |
| 22:41.06 | CyberTop | ok |
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| 22:41.47 | CyberTop | I do not succeed to install debian 3,1 r1
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| 22:42.53 | CyberTop | after that it loads driver with several the members the hardware it asks me to manually load the driver with the cdrom |
| 22:43.03 | mhall | lol |
| 22:43.10 | CyberTop | why??? |
| 22:43.12 | azeem | mhall: ? |
| 22:43.14 | mhall | too bad i missed magnet's joke |
| 22:43.22 | mhall | azeem: what did i do? |
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| 22:43.40 | MatBoy | !redbull |
| 22:43.42 | azeem | mhall: laughing out of context |
| 22:43.48 | ApoC | hallo |
| 22:43.51 | CyberTop | how I resolve? I cannot install nothing |
| 22:44.01 | azeem | CyberTop: do you have a SATA CD? |
| 22:44.04 | MatBoy | we have to inform dpkg about that ! Debian people need that when it;s getting late :D |
| 22:44.12 | CyberTop | no hdd sata |
| 22:44.16 | ApoC | lol |
| 22:44.16 | azeem | CyberTop: did you try linux26 at the boot prompt? |
| 22:44.27 | MatBoy | linux26 works with SATA |
| 22:44.30 | Alexismoy | Hi :) |
| 22:44.31 | CyberTop | yes |
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| 22:44.39 | Alexismoy | There is spca5xx drivers for debian sarge? |
| 22:44.40 | MatBoy | you need to set you drives with raid1 into Enchaced mode |
| 22:44.46 | seeker | !beer abrotman |
| 22:44.52 | seeker | Gahh. |
| 22:44.55 | seeker | !beer abrotman |
| 22:44.55 | abrotman | seeker: hi |
| 22:44.57 | MatBoy | !rebull abrotman |
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| 22:45.03 | MatBoy | redbull |
| 22:45.16 | seeker | What's up man. |
| 22:45.24 | CyberTop | what I must make? |
| 22:45.31 | MatBoy | seeker, only abrotman knows what's up (or down) |
| 22:45.35 | gimmulf | Hi, when i run screen i get an error: Cannot find terminfo entry for 'rxvt-unicode'. This is on a machine which im ssh:ing to |
| 22:45.51 | abrotman | seeker: i'm in WI :) |
| 22:46.02 | seeker | WTF are you doing there? |
| 22:46.06 | MatBoy | abrotman, WI ? |
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| 22:46.08 | abrotman | visiting mom |
| 22:46.08 | seeker | Biz? |
| 22:46.18 | CyberTop | what I must make? |
| 22:46.18 | Alexismoy | on debian etch, I'v got spc5axx modules, but on sarge I haven't got :/ I don't know if there is a posibility to adapte it (backports or other) |
| 22:46.27 | abrotman | MatBoy: wisconsin |
| 22:46.30 | azeem | CyberTop: hard to say |
| 22:46.35 | azeem | CyberTop: you can try etch beta3 |
| 22:46.37 | azeem | maybe that works |
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| 22:47.01 | abrotman | gimmulf: set the term to something else |
| 22:47.03 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:47.09 | Lilandra | hi |
| 22:47.09 | MatBoy | abrotman, I have heard that once on TV... is that hole that a star once made when tried to visit earth ? I also live in such thing :p |
| 22:47.13 | gimmulf | abrotman: to what and how? |
| 22:47.24 | abrotman | export TERM=<whateveryoupick> |
| 22:47.32 | abrotman | gimmulf: echo $TERM .. what does it say ? |
| 22:47.37 | gimmulf | abrotman: rxvt-unicode |
| 22:47.38 | CyberTop | you can give the link to me |
| 22:47.42 | abrotman | MatBoy: oh .. i forgot |
| 22:47.54 | abrotman | gimmulf: vt100 or xterm maybe ? |
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| 22:48.05 | abrotman | MatBoy: don't the packers .. suck :) |
| 22:48.12 | azeem | CyberTop: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:48.13 | gimmulf | abrotman: worked, thanks |
| 22:48.18 | MatBoy | abrotman, there are many holes on earth :P |
| 22:48.21 | gimmulf | abrotman: how do i make it remember that? |
| 22:48.22 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 22:48.34 | abrotman | gimmulf: put it in your .bash_profile |
| 22:48.37 | CyberTop | thanks |
| 22:48.45 | Heston | !java |
| 22:48.45 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 22:48.47 | gimmulf | oki abrotman thanks |
| 22:49.05 | peppo | hello. getting an error related to dbus start durinb bootup, regarding "netdev" group. there's some error, but it scrolls past too fast to see, and it's not in /var/log/ anywhere. familiar to anyone else? |
| 22:49.21 | peppo | my issue is that no hardware detection (replacable media etc) is working. |
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| 22:49.39 | section31 | what's the diff between bind and bind9 under my apt-get packages |
| 22:49.51 | abrotman | section31: apt-cache show bind .. apt-cache show bind9 .. |
| 22:50.30 | vehbi | hi all , how can debian |
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| 22:50.33 | ApoC | one question can i install debian on sata hds? or wich distro is for sata or better stay on fedora? |
| 22:50.39 | abrotman | yes you can |
| 22:50.47 | ApoC | HOW? |
| 22:50.56 | abrotman | which controller? |
| 22:51.09 | ApoC | nforce 4 sata 1 |
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| 22:51.44 | legionnaire | yoyo |
| 22:52.09 | CyberTop | hi |
| 22:52.16 | abrotman | ApoC: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 22:52.32 | abrotman | or use the etch netinst |
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| 22:55.04 | MatBoy | ApoC, I run etch on Raid1 with SATA and Softraid :) |
| 22:55.06 | dan2 | abrotman: http://www.time.com/time/cartoons/20060910/2.html |
| 22:55.12 | dan2 | abrotman: god bless tiger woods |
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| 22:56.04 | mhall | Speaking of SATA RAID does anybody know if nvraid can hot-add a drive to be a mirror of another drive? |
| 22:56.20 | MatBoy | dan2, I have seen a funny program with a guy behind a bar who is acting like Georg W. Bush :P Real fun !! |
| 22:56.27 | dan2 | hahahahah |
| 22:56.28 | vlt | Hello. Is there a (command line) tool to do what for instance Mozilla Thunderbird can do: converting/splitting Microsoft Outlook Express dbx files to separate mails? |
| 22:56.35 | dan2 | MatBoy: Dubya is a moron |
| 22:56.40 | dan2 | ~dubya |
| 22:56.46 | apt | hmm... dubya is a moron, or fun to say. Try it. "Dubya Dubya Dubya Bush!' |
| 22:56.46 | MatBoy | mhall, use Softwareraid |
| 22:56.56 | MatBoy | dan2, dunno, who is that ? |
| 22:56.58 | dan2 | hahahahahhahahahaha |
| 22:57.04 | dan2 | wow, that was too funny |
| 22:57.05 | MatBoy | owwwwwwwww |
| 22:57.07 | MatBoy | so |
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| 22:57.34 | roue | finally got my sarge box installed. yeah! |
| 22:57.35 | phogg | vlt: readpst |
| 22:58.05 | ApoC | sarge 2.6.16 where to find? |
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| 22:58.34 | MatBoy | ApoC, workstation ? |
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| 22:58.45 | vlt | phogg: Thank you. pst sounds a bit like the big Outlook and its storage files but I will check if can convert OE files too ... |
| 22:58.47 | ApoC | yes |
| 22:58.52 | dan2 | matboy, go start a petition on petitionsonline (the most useless site in the universe) |
| 22:58.55 | MatBoy | ApoC, take Etch |
| 22:59.06 | MatBoy | dan2, I will make it usable :p |
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| 22:59.45 | MatBoy | dan2, we also can DDos it... they pay for their monthly bandwidth already... so they need to use it |
| 22:59.46 | MatBoy | :P |
| 22:59.59 | dan2 | hahahahahhahahahaha |
| 23:00.08 | MatBoy | what is more fun ? |
| 23:00.13 | dan2 | MatBoy: do we have one of those programs accessible from apt? |
| 23:00.20 | phogg | vlt: I used kmail's converter kmailcvt to do OE->Mbox once. I believe it is based off of readpst, so try that first. |
| 23:00.47 | roue | sarge install cd didn't recognize the SATA drive. booted from a couple liveCDs till I found the gentoo 2006.1 disk would see them if I booted with all-generic-ide. partitioned the disks. created a filesystem with debootstrap on another box. tar'd it up and scp'd it to the booted gentoo livecd. copied it to the new machine's root partition. chroot'd in. apt-get update/upgrade. built the 2.6.18rc6 kernel that supports my SATA controller. |
| 23:00.47 | roue | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:00.52 | MatBoy | apt-get install ddos-for-my-unused-bandwidth |
| 23:01.25 | ApoC | MaTBoy the problem is i am not on debian and want to install it |
| 23:01.39 | MatBoy | dan2, NO !!! for unused bandwidth we already have those Breezah-girlies using MSN with their webcam |
| 23:01.48 | dan2 | hahahahahahhaha |
| 23:01.59 | MatBoy | ApoC, downoad a Etch Net-install |
| 23:02.04 | MatBoy | you will love it |
| 23:02.23 | phogg | roue: which kernel was the gentoo distro using? |
| 23:02.43 | roue | 2.6.17 r7 |
| 23:03.02 | roue | but I'm not sure if that r7 means gentoo patched to their version 7 or 2.6.17.7 |
| 23:03.09 | MatBoy | dan2, the nice part is... they use their bandwith... I collect their video's and share them on MySpace... ah now I now why MySpace was having a hard time in the USA :P |
| 23:03.29 | dan2 | myspace is worthless |
| 23:03.34 | MatBoy | dan2, the nicest part is .... you can get rich... and you don;t even need a OnlinePoker website :) |
| 23:03.38 | ApoC | ok |
| 23:03.39 | dan2 | matboy, everybody is going to lose their investments in myspace |
| 23:03.42 | dan2 | once the fad dies |
| 23:03.42 | MatBoy | hehe, I never visited it |
| 23:03.43 | phogg | dan2: I'll inform the press! |
| 23:03.57 | roue | it would only see the drives if I passed 'all-generic-ide' at boot. the 2.6.18rc6 has support the the crappy JMicron SATA/PATA controller |
| 23:04.14 | MatBoy | phogg, yeah do that ! BUT sell your story and invest it in Debian |
| 23:04.21 | MatBoy | so buy a new computer running Debian :P |
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| 23:05.29 | MatBoy | damn... I just got some beer for abrotman... |
| 23:05.35 | vlt | phogg: Mmh ... readpst doesn't like those files: "not a PST file that I know. Closing with error" |
| 23:05.42 | MatBoy | nah... I think I will drink it myself than |
| 23:05.55 | MatBoy | !beer MatBoy |
| 23:06.28 | vlt | Any other tool to convert Microsoft OE "mboxes" to something readable? |
| 23:06.28 | phogg | vlt: okay, try kmailcvt if you can swing a GUI. Or find out how they do it. I converted about 50M of Outlook Express mail for a friend in 2001 using that program |
| 23:06.45 | gimmulf | How do i set the keyboard lang to swedish in shell? |
| 23:06.46 | MatBoy | vlt |
| 23:06.49 | gimmulf | outside x |
| 23:06.57 | MatBoy | google about it... you need to convert twice |
| 23:07.04 | MatBoy | vlt, or... use IMAP :) |
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| 23:07.47 | vlt | MatBoy: no IMAP :( There are only dbx files ... |
| 23:07.56 | ApoC | MaTBoy Debian Installer Etch Beta 3 is ok? |
| 23:08.02 | MatBoy | vlt, you can read them with something ? |
| 23:08.21 | MatBoy | ApoC, take the one from the website, not FTP |
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| 23:08.28 | vlt | MatBoy: with `less` ;) |
| 23:08.32 | seeker | OMG I fscking love it!! I just got a 'Registry Cleaner' ad in Firefox.. LOL. Complete with button that says "Scan and Clean". ROTF. |
| 23:08.40 | MatBoy | vlt, damn, you are f*cked |
| 23:09.04 | MatBoy | seeker, for Linux ? |
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| 23:09.32 | phogg | vlt: tried google? |
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| 23:09.53 | MatBoy | I ahve done it once... I needed OE, Outlook itself and a converter |
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| 23:10.20 | MatBoy | phogg, you don't want to use google if you are nog for sure that it's running on Debian :p |
| 23:10.26 | MatBoy | nog=not |
| 23:10.29 | phogg | MatBoy: I'm looking at a GPL tool that claims to do it. |
| 23:10.52 | Nethox | gimmulf: edit /etc/console-tools/config for font and charmap, dpkg-reconfigure console-data for keymap |
| 23:10.52 | phogg | says it's win32, though |
| 23:11.06 | MatBoy | what ? |
| 23:11.22 | seeker | MatBoy: Oh, yesh, I want to clean my GNU/Linux regishtry. <grin> |
| 23:11.53 | MatBoy | seeker, damn... but I have to say... the RegCleaner for Windows really works... the small free program |
| 23:12.18 | MatBoy | seeker, are you using a XP-skin in KDE or something ?? :P |
| 23:13.01 | vlt | phogg, MatBoy: I just moved the files to a machine where I have KDE/KMail and try to use that ... |
| 23:13.16 | MatBoy | is there someone here with MySQL replication skills ? I want to ask soemthing secific about the queries :) |
| 23:13.47 | seeker | MatBoy: KDE? what's that? Ever hear of Enlightenment RC 17 or e17 for short? |
| 23:13.54 | MatBoy | vlt, you can do that and use IMAP than |
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| 23:14.18 | MatBoy | seeker, it was not what I saw on the screenshot... so I removed it :P |
| 23:14.24 | vlt | MatBoy: IMAP to do what ...? |
| 23:14.29 | kingsley | MatBoy: Have you searched Google's web and usenet archives? |
| 23:14.44 | jfletcher | google has usenet servers now? |
| 23:14.57 | seeker | Ok, I'm getting punchy.. way too many hours in front of the computer and not enough sleep. |
| 23:14.58 | MatBoy | kingsley, yep... but the question is not about how to setup, but about a reaction on a setting that you can make |
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| 23:15.07 | shut- | someone help |
| 23:15.13 | MatBoy | !redbull seeker |
| 23:15.18 | phogg | shut-: only if you say how |
| 23:15.33 | shut- | i dont know why cups wont open |
| 23:15.39 | jfletcher | lol |
| 23:15.41 | MatBoy | vlt, load you mails up by using IMAP to a server and download them later |
| 23:15.45 | jfletcher | what errors do you get? |
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| 23:16.09 | MatBoy | jfletcher, google is in illegal stuff now :P |
| 23:16.20 | shut- | i get this |
| 23:16.24 | gimmulf | Nethox: hmmm still cant use swedish characters |
| 23:16.26 | MatBoy | jfletcher, that is the vision of google on OpenSource |
| 23:16.31 | shut- | cups server could not be contacted |
| 23:16.31 | jfletcher | usenet isn't necciserily illegal, it went illegal with the cideo thing really. |
| 23:16.46 | jfletcher | shut-: doesn't that ring a bell? |
| 23:17.01 | MatBoy | jfletcher, yes... so... the usage of how it was used or how do I have to say that... google... make my day :D |
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| 23:17.04 | shut- | no |
| 23:17.26 | MatBoy | kingsley, do you have experience ? |
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| 23:17.30 | Ryanw | Has anyone encounted pppd not terminating after your ISP causes you to disconect, only occurs when multilink is enabled and before you ask, the persist option is not present and yes its the last link in a bundle. |
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| 23:17.45 | shut- | how do i install cups :P |
| 23:17.52 | phogg | shut-: apt-get install cupsys |
| 23:17.55 | MatBoy | shut-, apt-get install cups |
| 23:17.59 | MatBoy | ow |
| 23:18.02 | MatBoy | damn |
| 23:18.03 | MatBoy | :) |
| 23:18.09 | phogg | I win |
| 23:18.11 | jfletcher | shut-: have you read anything? |
| 23:18.21 | shut- | no |
| 23:18.25 | Nethox | gimmulf: have done that 3 things? I dont know what charmap you use in Sweden, maybe its ISO-8859-15 so you could try the consolefont "lat9w-16", it works well for me |
| 23:18.29 | MatBoy | My Redbull is not working anymore... I blame the TinCan that is empty |
| 23:18.43 | MatBoy | jfletcher, pr0n I guess :) |
| 23:18.48 | MatBoy | jfletcher, he need to print it now |
| 23:18.56 | MatBoy | s/need/needs |
| 23:19.07 | shut- | !java |
| 23:19.07 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 23:19.12 | Ryanw | Can you direct me in teh direction of some pppd specialists please? |
| 23:19.28 | phogg | shut-: not reading the documentation is a sure fire way to never, ever get printing working. |
| 23:19.44 | shut- | where is that |
| 23:19.53 | seeker | what's the factoid for mice/pointer/mouse? I spent all of this time building e17 and X won't start becuase I have no mouse available. |
| 23:20.02 | MatBoy | phogg, maybe he is using a terminal to install it and need to print html-docs with the cupssys ? |
| 23:20.07 | seeker | ~moron seeker |
| 23:20.12 | seeker | Hrm. |
| 23:20.13 | ApoC | MaTBoy i have downloaded this iso debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso . So i can reboot now and start the installation? |
| 23:20.27 | phogg | seeker: AllowMouseOpenFail in your serverflags section |
| 23:20.27 | MatBoy | ApoC, you can ! |
| 23:20.33 | MatBoy | do you want to use Raid1 ? |
| 23:20.34 | gimmulf | Nethox: i ran dpkg reconfigure-console-data && dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig also edited that console-tools/config but didnt know what to change there |
| 23:20.44 | ApoC | no no only sata |
| 23:20.51 | ApoC | simple sata |
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| 23:21.01 | cwheeler | anyone here booted from a usb drive? |
| 23:21.13 | MatBoy | ApoC, you are free to go... I advise you to set in the bios that SATA will act like IDE or something |
| 23:21.15 | phogg | MatBoy: anything is possible. |
| 23:21.20 | seeker | phogg: but I would like to have the mouse available, I've just forgotten to install it, and I can't remember the packages I need. |
| 23:21.28 | MatBoy | phogg, indeed... that I once will find a woman also :p |
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| 23:21.43 | ApoC | ok thanx i ll try it now |
| 23:21.50 | gimmulf | Nethox: app_charset is set to: iso05 but its outcommented |
| 23:22.01 | MatBoy | ApoC, this because of drives that suck for Debain and SATA |
| 23:22.06 | MatBoy | drivers |
| 23:22.06 | shut- | where do i get a driver for canon pixma ip 1600 |
| 23:22.09 | shut- | ? |
| 23:22.14 | MatBoy | shut-, www.canon.com |
| 23:22.21 | phogg | seeker: I don't follow. You have no mouse? |
| 23:22.23 | shut- | realy |
| 23:22.36 | MatBoy | seeker, in his basement I think |
| 23:22.38 | phogg | shut-: linuxprinting.org will help find out |
| 23:23.25 | shut- | nope tryed there |
| 23:23.25 | shut- | didnt work |
| 23:23.32 | mhall | cwheeler: all the times i tried it, resulted in fuckups |
| 23:23.56 | Ryanw | Hi, do you know where i can get some help with a ppp problem? |
| 23:23.58 | shut- | pm me if u know |
| 23:23.59 | shut- | bbl |
| 23:24.04 | mhall | MatBoy: i can't use software raid on this, it's a boot volume |
| 23:24.08 | Nethox | gimmulf: http://rafb.net/paste/results/OtAODc93.html, change the values according to your language |
| 23:24.20 | MatBoy | mhall, I also boot from raid1 |
| 23:24.38 | MatBoy | mhall, if you can't get it to work with grub, use LILO |
| 23:24.44 | seeker | phogg: I have a mouse attached to the system. However, this is a clean, minimalist install and I forgot to install drivers for the mouse. Just me being a little behind the curve atm. But now I forgot the dpkg factoid that lists the packages needed for mouse fxnality. |
| 23:24.50 | mhall | MatBoy: also, i think the performance would suffer, and it seems sensless given i have already got hw raid available |
| 23:24.55 | gimmulf | Nethox: how do i know which i shall use? |
| 23:24.59 | kitche | since it's been a while since I installed debian do I just need the one cd to do a mininal install such as net install? |
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| 23:25.08 | MatBoy | mhall, SWraid can be faster |
| 23:25.11 | mhall | MatBoy: i also have enough space to do a full backup of the volume, but if i can do hot add, then this is not needed |
| 23:25.15 | phogg | MatBoy: the school of life. |
| 23:25.21 | seeker | kitche: jsut get the netinst .iso. cakework. |
| 23:25.22 | mhall | MatBoy: this is a $600 nvidia nforce 4 pro board |
| 23:25.31 | mhall | MatBoy: i doubt sw raid mirror can beat this |
| 23:25.41 | phogg | mhall: advice: keep a backup anyway |
| 23:25.58 | MatBoy | mhall, I run webservers with a lot of load on SWraid... why ? I don;t get arrays that are not usable when my card is crashing :) |
| 23:26.00 | mhall | MatBoy: not that i'm opposed to swraid, don't get me wrong, it's running my non-boot terabyte raid 5 array already |
| 23:26.06 | phogg | mhall: I had two disks in a raid array fail in the same day. |
| 23:26.10 | MatBoy | phogg, I don;t want to thing about school anymore :P |
| 23:26.13 | Ryanw | most onboard raid controllers are just software raid and use the fakeraid module. |
| 23:26.18 | kitche | seeker: thanks I kinda forgot that debian had a netinstall |
| 23:26.22 | gimmulf | Nethox: do i need to restart something after edited that file? |
| 23:26.27 | MatBoy | Ryanw, yep, the OB versions |
| 23:26.28 | mhall | phogg: yes in principle this can occur |
| 23:26.34 | MatBoy | Ryanw, alsways turn that OFF |
| 23:26.38 | MatBoy | -s |
| 23:26.41 | mhall | phogg: and i do back the critical data up |
| 23:26.43 | phogg | mhall: Happened to me two weeks ago. Goodbye data. |
| 23:26.44 | Nethox | gimmulf: I think that we use the same, but not sure, try exactly that config. If doesn't work, google for sweden charmap. You also need to set your locales: dpkg-reconfigure locales and generate them for your language |
| 23:26.53 | mhall | phogg: but i see no need to back up the whole volume, it's merely a boot volume |
| 23:26.54 | seeker | kitche: np. there is a testing netinst also, if you're headed for unstable. |
| 23:27.00 | MatBoy | phogg, on a RaidController ? |
| 23:27.06 | mhall | phogg: the problem i am having is, i have now got 1.5 tb to be backed up |
| 23:27.08 | phogg | mhall: suit yourself |
| 23:27.08 | MatBoy | phogg, a HW-version ? |
| 23:27.11 | kitche | seeker: that's what I'm downloading right now |
| 23:27.12 | phogg | MatBoy: software raid |
| 23:27.14 | mhall | phogg: and have yet to locate suitable media for ths |
| 23:27.26 | MatBoy | phogg, you can always take DATA off than... simple |
| 23:27.28 | Nethox | gimmulf: I think so, or recall init |
| 23:27.39 | phogg | mhall: yeah, that's tricky. I've been looking at a BF NAS box for that kind of thing. |
| 23:27.41 | mhall | Ryanw: nvraid is not a fakeraid |
| 23:28.00 | MatBoy | SoftRaid is much more controlable |
| 23:28.04 | MatBoy | for Raid1 |
| 23:28.06 | mhall | phogg: yes, i do have an old snap server, but the drive configuration is woefully inadequate |
| 23:28.12 | phogg | mhall: production box->low usage bigass RAID box. Two arrays are less likely to fail same-day |
| 23:28.12 | Ryanw | i've got a few servers running with software raid mirror and identical 100mb /boot partitions on each drive and grub installed in both MBR's |
| 23:28.13 | MatBoy | and up to 6 disks for raid5 |
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| 23:28.41 | mhall | phogg: ideally i should probably really acquire an enterprise awway |
| 23:28.42 | gimmulf | Nethox: i checked the config at my desktop machine, im using: SCREEN_FONT=lat0-sun16 there so i ut that into the one on the machine im havin problems with |
| 23:28.46 | MatBoy | My workstation is Raid1 Softraid :) |
| 23:28.49 | seeker | Ok, I have to ask. I don't want a mouse in CLI. I do want a mouse in X. I'm running Sid with Xorg. what are the /minimum/ packages I need? |
| 23:28.51 | mhall | phogg: and use some sas disks |
| 23:29.03 | jfletcher | how do I tell ./configure where zlib is? |
| 23:29.06 | MatBoy | seeker, it;s possible.. |
| 23:29.07 | mhall | phogg: but my estimate is this would cost perhaps $10000 |
| 23:29.16 | phogg | mhall: overkill for my setup, but if you can afford it... |
| 23:29.19 | mhall | phogg: more than my entire workstation, which is already $3000 |
| 23:29.28 | kitche | seeker: well don't install gpm that's for copy and paste in CLI |
| 23:29.51 | Ryanw | jfletcher: ./configure --help and if its not listed, one would assume in your lib path |
| 23:30.07 | gimmulf | Nethox: how do i set the locale? think it shall be: ISO-8859-1 |
| 23:30.08 | phogg | seeker: most likely xserver-xorg-input-mouse will do it |
| 23:30.10 | mhall | phogg: there is also tape drives but 200gb ultrium is quite costly and i'd still need a robot to make it worth a goddamn |
| 23:30.16 | seeker | kitche: Ok, thanks. |
| 23:30.27 | seeker | phogg: Danke man. Will try it. |
| 23:30.35 | Nethox | gimmulf: latin0 and 9 are the same |
| 23:30.46 | mhall | phogg: perhaps wait until the cost of 750gb drives goes down and make an array of 4 of these |
| 23:30.51 | mhall | phogg: that should do the job |
| 23:30.52 | phogg | mhall: tape is more static and somewhat less prone to loss but otherwise in price-per-gig hard disks are much better for backup |
| 23:31.27 | mhall | phogg: plus the 750s use perpendicular recording which appears to be safer magnetically |
| 23:31.32 | Nethox | gimmulf: dpkg-reconfigure locales generates them, use /etc/environment to set LC_ALL, LANG and LANGUAGE environment variables for all users |
| 23:31.43 | z36ra | MatBoy, has me thinking. I havent done swraid but I have a scsi cable with more than 6 connectors. |
| 23:31.44 | mhall | Nethox: /etc/profile ? |
| 23:31.58 | gimmulf | Nethox: Package `locales' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 23:32.04 | mhall | z36ra: what kind of drives do you have on hand |
| 23:32.07 | phogg | mhall: I'll believe that when enough time has passed for the averages to be calculated |
| 23:32.22 | Nethox | mhall: and why is the purpose of environment file then? |
| 23:32.28 | Nethox | *what |
| 23:32.39 | z36ra | mhall, I dont have anything hooked up on scsi... i was just thinking as I said |
| 23:32.43 | gimmulf | Nethox: maybe i should apt.get it then |
| 23:32.46 | mhall | the only scsi disks i have got, are SCA drives mounted in an hp netserv i can't get working |
| 23:32.46 | MatBoy | z36ra, as lon as your /boot is raid1... you are fine :) cost me 2 days off not sleeping 2 years ago... nothing to find about :S |
| 23:33.10 | mhall | MatBoy: the two days lost sleep of linux not installing right, i take it? |
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| 23:33.20 | Nethox | gimmulf: yes, altough if you think its iso8859-1 it should work (without the euro and cent, but works) |
| 23:33.36 | mhall | MatBoy: yes, it's a long standing sysadmin's tradition, that you don't boot from anything except a mirror raid |
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| 23:33.51 | mhall | MatBoy: sadly as raid's trickled down to the masses like us, this lesson is often omitted |
| 23:34.13 | phogg | omitted at great peril |
| 23:34.18 | MatBoy | mhall, Not true that it was my fault... I learned to much from it :) that I'n not afraid of SoftRaid :D |
| 23:34.20 | mhall | phogg: yes, quite |
| 23:34.27 | MatBoy | mhall, every fault is also an advanatge |
| 23:34.28 | z36ra | mhall, I agree. especially for a server. |
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| 23:34.53 | mhall | MatBoy: apologies if it seemed i was blaming you |
| 23:34.59 | mhall | MatBoy: not what i had in mind |
| 23:35.06 | phogg | z36ra: or anywhere you have an important system. Not just data, but the system itself. |
| 23:35.19 | mhall | z36ra: yes, 1u server admins always have two drives, in mirror mode |
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| 23:35.33 | phogg | if my workstation goes down I have five people who know it and complain. |
| 23:35.37 | MatBoy | mhall, eyah, ot that I thought that directly... but I want to make you believe that it;s not a point when you make faults... or have to search better... it's making your skills stronger |
| 23:35.38 | mhall | z36ra: 3u-4u servers usually have two mirror boot drives and a raid5/6 data array |
| 23:35.44 | MatBoy | I'm examining RAID every day |
| 23:35.49 | MatBoy | for 3 years now |
| 23:36.02 | MatBoy | !beer mhall |
| 23:36.05 | MatBoy | :) |
| 23:36.07 | gimmulf | Nethox: isnt there any tool too set the keyboard ? :) |
| 23:36.09 | mhall | mmm thanks MatBoy |
| 23:36.14 | mhall | nothing beats a good beer |
| 23:36.29 | MatBoy | mhall, good Softraid maybe :p |
| 23:36.47 | Nethox | gimmulf: I've said it, dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 23:37.39 | z36ra | beer sounds good to me... goin on a run |
| 23:37.39 | mhall | MatBoy: or sex |
| 23:37.47 | mhall | z36ra: what kind? where to? |
| 23:37.52 | MatBoy | mhall, but I would like to use HWraid on more than 2 disks... it's easier to manage... you don;t have to think... but Raid1 is really kewl with it :) |
| 23:37.54 | Nethox | gimmulf: loadkeys is the tool for the kernel keymap (X use his own config) |
| 23:38.01 | MatBoy | mhall, yeah.. sex... :D |
| 23:38.13 | metrix | in ruby if I do a require 'mkmf' on my debian box, it can't find the file. I have searched for it and nothing comes up even though it should be in the standard library. I've also searched for a package.. are thre any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 23:38.25 | mhall | MatBoy: some people have been saying, raid 5 is a bad thing to use anymore |
| 23:38.40 | MatBoy | mhall, the advantage is that you always can place of the disks or both into a total different system when the Hardware fails |
| 23:38.50 | Ryanw | the only downfall i can see from raid5 is that your array is vunerable during a disk rebuild after replacing a faulty disk. |
| 23:38.55 | MatBoy | mhall, what should I use than ? Raid10 ? |
| 23:39.02 | metrix | or.. what package I need to download or something |
| 23:39.14 | z36ra | mhall, up to the corner store.. Coors. and thats pronounce C*OO*RS |
| 23:39.19 | Ryanw | raid 10 is the best performance but you only get 50% of the physical disk capacity. |
| 23:39.22 | MatBoy | Corrs :D |
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| 23:39.32 | MatBoy | !Corrs |
| 23:39.33 | mhall | MatBoy: apparently as drive size goes up, so does the chances of sectors failing and killing the array |
| 23:39.33 | Ryanw | i recommend raid 5 or raid 6 to protect against failure during a rebuild. |
| 23:39.57 | EdLin | Coors is just thick water. Give me a Pilsner Urquell anyday |
| 23:39.59 | mhall | z36ra: lol. just like my old man, a native coloradan? |
| 23:40.06 | MatBoy | mhall, indeed... I agree.. that scares me too |
| 23:40.20 | mhall | MatBoy: as it should anybody who depends on arrays |
| 23:40.26 | mhall | they're kind of a flaky enterprise |
| 23:40.33 | mhall | not much less so than disks themselves |
| 23:40.34 | MatBoy | yep |
| 23:40.44 | gimmulf | Nethox: ok have ran locales and console-data now but still nothiung happens, just like it doesnt know thoose keys on the keyboard exists, it just beeps when i press them |
| 23:40.48 | gimmulf | and i dont use x |
| 23:41.20 | jetscreamer | ran, or dpkg-reconfigured |
| 23:41.24 | Nethox | gimmulf: reboot or use loadkeys |
| 23:42.28 | gimmulf | Nethox: is loadkeys suppose to take long time? |
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| 23:43.19 | Nethox | gimmulf: no, man loadkeys |
| 23:43.26 | gimmulf | over 1 min now |
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| 23:44.03 | nonified2 | hi whats the copmmand to know my dédicated IP ? |
| 23:44.06 | nonified2 | in a shell ? |
| 23:44.10 | shut- | is there a way to make every thing on my desktop smaller |
| 23:45.30 | shut- | ? |
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| 23:46.04 | delusions | shut-: change your resolution :) |
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| 23:46.28 | shut- | how |
| 23:46.43 | gimmulf | Nethox: nothing happens :< |
| 23:46.44 | jfletcher | where is the file that you list things in your want to startup with X? or with debian whichever |
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| 23:47.02 | MatBoy | jfletcher, ~.kde/Startup |
| 23:47.06 | MatBoy | something like it |
| 23:47.09 | jfletcher | or gnome |
| 23:47.10 | jfletcher | yeh |
| 23:47.11 | MatBoy | jfletcher, Autostart !!!!!11 |
| 23:47.12 | jfletcher | cheers |
| 23:47.20 | shut- | mat boy i just cant figure that out |
| 23:47.23 | delusions | shut-: go to your controlpanel or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restart X |
| 23:47.30 | MatBoy | shut-, gogole |
| 23:47.38 | MatBoy | shut-, till you almost die |
| 23:47.43 | MatBoy | than... you can ask |
| 23:47.47 | MatBoy | :) |
| 23:47.54 | nonified2 | MatBoy |
| 23:47.57 | nonified2 | hi whats the copmmand to know my dédicated IP ? |
| 23:47.59 | nonified2 | in a shell ? |
| 23:48.01 | peppo | after a reboot, I can't use any temporary storage device or similar. they aren't automounted, and no apps like gthumb are mounted by device-manager... it seems it's failing to load the appropriate modules... any similiar borkage known in unstable? |
| 23:48.08 | shut- | were is controlpanel |
| 23:48.16 | MatBoy | nonified2, ifconfig |
| 23:48.17 | Nethox | gimmulf: it works like: loadkeys es, loadkeys us, etc |
| 23:48.25 | nonified2 | -bash: ifconfig: command not found |
| 23:48.28 | delusions | shut-: now i agree with MatBoy |
| 23:48.37 | MatBoy | nonified2, do it as root |
| 23:48.43 | shut- | :( |
| 23:48.43 | nonified2 | ok |
| 23:48.49 | nonified2 | only roots can do this ? |
| 23:48.51 | shut- | i just looked for it |
| 23:49.10 | MatBoy | nonified2, yep.. or you have to change the filesettings for ifconfig |
| 23:49.44 | nonified2 | ok |
| 23:49.45 | nonified2 | but |
| 23:49.48 | nonified2 | my dedicated ip |
| 23:49.49 | jfletcher | MatBoy: there's no startup in ~/.gnome2 |
| 23:49.50 | Nethox | gimmulf: and I've said you should use dpkg-reconfigure console-data for making it permanent (changing /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz) |
| 23:49.58 | nonified2 | i'll kan know it too ? |
| 23:50.06 | MatBoy | jfletcher, mhh not something like it ? |
| 23:50.14 | jfletcher | nope |
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| 23:50.17 | jfletcher | i'll tell you if i find out |
| 23:50.23 | MatBoy | jfletcher, or ask #gnome... I asked #kde once :) they know it right away |
| 23:50.30 | MatBoy | jfletcher, would be nice ! |
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| 23:50.41 | azeem | #gnome is on gimpnet mostly |
| 23:50.43 | azeem | I think |
| 23:50.50 | MatBoy | nonified2, of you ISP ? |
| 23:50.53 | MatBoy | your |
| 23:50.59 | nonified2 | no my ip |
| 23:51.05 | nonified2 | .. yes |
| 23:51.10 | MatBoy | yes that is there... eth0 or eth1 |
| 23:51.11 | shut- | is it in system tools |
| 23:51.20 | nonified2 | ok thx |
| 23:51.24 | gimmulf | Nethox: when i use loadkeys se-latin1 i get: Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console spamed like 100 times in the console, i did this after the console-data reconfigure |
| 23:51.36 | MatBoy | nonified2, no problem :) |
| 23:51.39 | jfletcher | MatBoy: /usr/share/gnome/default.session |
| 23:52.14 | gimmulf | Nethox: also tried loadkeys se & sv but then it cant find them but feels like se-latin1 should work |
| 23:52.49 | MatBoy | jfletcher, ah :) |
| 23:52.57 | MatBoy | thanks ! |
| 23:53.16 | jfletcher | no probs |
| 23:53.20 | MatBoy | :) |
| 23:54.18 | shut- | who can help me with makeing them smaller |
| 23:54.37 | z36ra | im glad hes not in texas. too early for bed |
| 23:54.57 | Nethox | gimmulf: mmm, I dont know, I have tried with se-latin1 and it succesfully loads /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/se-latin1.kmap.gz |
| 23:55.01 | dendrite | !hug MatBoy |
| 23:55.12 | MatBoy | :D |
| 23:55.17 | MatBoy | !beer dendrite |
| 23:55.24 | MatBoy | and |
| 23:55.30 | MatBoy | !hug dendrite too :) |
| 23:56.02 | MatBoy | cu all later guys ! |
| 23:56.40 | gimmulf | Nethox: wierd :( |
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| 23:57.32 | Nethox | gimmulf: apart from the keymap... Have you changed the locales, font and charmap? |
| 23:57.41 | gimmulf | Nethox: maybe the problem is that this is on a remote machine which i've ssh:ed too or something? |
| 23:57.43 | z36ra | anyone know a good resource for developing websites for a forum or e-commerce using postgresql and such? |
| 23:58.05 | gimmulf | Nethox: i set the locales when i apt-get the locales packages |
| 23:58.10 | Nethox | gimmulf: maybe :), at least from X it doesnt work |
| 23:58.10 | gimmulf | havent done anything with it since |
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| 23:58.39 | shut- | so how can i make it smaller |
| 23:58.54 | peppo | any clues what might be wrong when hardware detection has stopped working? no change of kernel, and suddenly I am forced to manually install my nic driver, even psmouse support, and all usb support... |
| 23:59.28 | Ryanw | <z36ra - checkout oscommerce. |
| 23:59.31 | gimmulf | Nethox: hmm found someone who wrote about that error on g oogle: Oh, there: consolechars is a likely candidate. Of course it won't work |
| 23:59.34 | gimmulf | from a remote session; after all, it sets up the local console. And |
| 23:59.36 | gimmulf | Sorry for that paste :) |
| 23:59.38 | gimmulf | since there's no console associated with your remote session, it spews |
| 23:59.41 | gimmulf | out the message. |
| 23:59.45 | dendrite | peppo: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386500 |
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