| 00:00.09 | peppo | dendrite, thank you! |
| 00:00.19 | z36ra | Ryanw, tanks! |
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| 00:00.58 | Nethox | gimmulf: yeah, consolechars is for charset/font, loadkeys for kernel keymap. Its all, but its better to do it in the files I told because it makes the changes permanent |
| 00:01.28 | gimmulf | Nethox: what files, didnt find any /etc/environent |
| 00:02.30 | z36ra | I wanna do something fun and challenging... can sell stuff or work on website. either way, exposure is my goal as well as learning something new about apache and sql... maybe even some php.. etc. |
| 00:03.16 | z36ra | gotta increase the content on my website |
| 00:03.44 | jfletcher | :D |
| 00:03.44 | jfletcher | yay |
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| 00:04.00 | MatBoy | I was not hugged enough |
| 00:04.20 | jetscreamer | environment |
| 00:04.22 | jetscreamer | M |
| 00:04.54 | jfletcher | ^^ |
| 00:04.56 | jetscreamer | just type /etc/env<hit tab key> |
| 00:05.12 | Nethox | gimmulf: Last time i repeat it... /etc/console-tools/config (font & charset, like consolechars), /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz (by dpkg-reconfigure console-data, like loadkeys), dpkg-reconfigure locales and setting env variables in /etc/environment or shell initialitation scripts. |
| 00:05.34 | Lilandra | or unstable |
| 00:06.00 | MatBoy | what is all you opnion about "The Linux" way ? I have the idea that it;s much more relaxed and not a competition between persons to know it better, just to look for the best solution together |
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| 00:11.18 | shut- | anyone here |
| 00:11.30 | Lilandra | help! i am running the net install and i selected waaay too much predefined options and i don't think i need them yet. how do i stop it from downloading them. ctrl+c doesn't work |
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| 00:11.55 | mayelo | hola |
| 00:11.57 | mayelo | ayuda |
| 00:12.06 | mayelo | como le hago para instalar mi debian |
| 00:12.17 | mayelo | no me carga los modulos para la tarjeta de red |
| 00:12.25 | dendrite | !es |
| 00:12.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:12.47 | shut- | !java |
| 00:12.47 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
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| 00:14.04 | dendrite | Lilandra: Sounds messy. Maybe restart the install is the best bet for you. You could use VT2 to go and kill and re-do, but that's uncharted territory. |
| 00:14.09 | jfletcher | hey, whats the best way to install flash for firefox on etch? |
| 00:14.55 | dendrite | jfletcher: flashplugin-nonfree probably. |
| 00:15.04 | jfletcher | tryed it, didnt seem to work. |
| 00:15.28 | jfletcher | il just compile by hand |
| 00:15.28 | Lilandra | dendrite: thanks! :) |
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| 00:16.39 | jfletcher | dendrite: doesnt actually take any compiling, just gotta stick 2 files into the firefox plugins folder |
| 00:16.41 | MatBoy | jfletcher, you must have fast hands than :P |
| 00:16.53 | jfletcher | MatBoy: wouldn't you like to know ;) |
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| 00:16.59 | shut- | ? |
| 00:17.07 | MatBoy | jfletcher, spare me the details please :p |
| 00:17.07 | jfletcher | shut-: up. |
| 00:17.15 | jfletcher | =] |
| 00:17.22 | MatBoy | hehe :D |
| 00:18.32 | shut- | ? |
| 00:18.38 | tolecnal | Macromedia should get its arse into gear, and produce a flash 9.0 for the linux community.. 7.0 is bloated, slow and buggy.. and not to mention, doesn't support alsa |
| 00:18.45 | MatBoy | jfletcher, wanna make love again ?? :P |
| 00:19.52 | cafuego | tolecnal: Yeah, well, they are. Plus they' |
| 00:19.55 | cafuego | re Adobe these days. |
| 00:20.04 | shut- | how can i make icons smaller in gnome |
| 00:20.08 | MatBoy | huh, how is that possible what ChanServ does ? |
| 00:20.13 | cafuego | But no matter how high they make the version number, flash sucks. |
| 00:20.24 | tolecnal | cafuego: i still refer to them as macromedia :) |
| 00:20.26 | dendrite | cafuego: Agreed. |
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| 00:20.55 | MatBoy | !moo |
| 00:20.55 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 00:21.17 | kitche | tolecnal: I use alsa with flash all the time but I don't use OSS either |
| 00:21.28 | tolecnal | cafuego: i'm not even gonna go into that terrirtory, and start a flash is bad/good discussion.. been in those too much |
| 00:21.51 | tolecnal | kitche: then you're probably using a OSS wrapper for ALSA |
| 00:21.54 | cafuego | it's bad, no discussion needed. |
| 00:22.12 | kitche | tolecnal: mayeb I am but I don't use OSS at all |
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| 00:25.39 | minerale | Guy: make me a sandwitch. Girl: make it yourself . Guy: SUDO make me a sandwitch, Girl: OK |
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| 00:26.03 | MatBoy | minerale, ah.. nice one for sex :D |
| 00:26.49 | MatBoy | Guy: I want sex. Girl: I don;t know you. Guy: SUDO sex me, Girl: OK.. I like you :) |
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| 00:27.39 | MatBoy | minerale, ever heard of a girl that knows the SUDO-command ? |
| 00:27.59 | MatBoy | I think they are rarely to find or they are sticked behind their 21" CRT :P |
| 00:28.29 | dansushi | can someone here help me out with a little apt-get problem. the error i get is right here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/FvLR7a96.html |
| 00:28.51 | Nethox | MatBoy: i saw that on a image joke, but the "Ok" should be, just exit status 0 and... you know :) |
| 00:29.00 | Nethox | *shouldn't |
| 00:29.15 | Max_- | I'm looking at this item : http://cgi.ebay.ca/SATA-Backplane-RAID-4xHD-Hot-Swap-Trays-in-3-5-25-Bays_W0QQitemZ230025325003QQihZ013QQcategoryZ64459QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem the "Plug and Play, Hot Swappable" thing isn't clear to me, does that mean I can change the failed HDD when everything's turned on/running??? |
| 00:29.16 | MatBoy | dansushi, why install it from CD ? |
| 00:29.20 | gimmulf | Nethox: hmmm that console-data/config dont seem to be edited (talked to some swede who didnt need too). Cant figure this out :( |
| 00:29.36 | gimmulf | have ran dpkg reconfigure locales 4 times |
| 00:29.44 | Guerin | Max_-: that's what hot-swappable means |
| 00:30.04 | MatBoy | Nethox, ah.. the exit part... she must be dumb and blond than :p |
| 00:30.04 | gimmulf | Nethox: cant the problem be that it is a machine which i have ssh:ed to? |
| 00:30.12 | Nethox | gimmulf: i am from spain and edited it, just believe your compatriots? :) |
| 00:30.45 | gimmulf | Nethox: lol :), but they thought locales was the only thing that needed to be set |
| 00:30.51 | gimmulf | and loadkeys still wont work |
| 00:31.05 | gimmulf | Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console :/ |
| 00:31.30 | Nethox | gimmulf: you said it, ssh session... |
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| 00:32.00 | gimmulf | Nethox: yep, its a VPS which i gonna run a webserver on |
| 00:32.02 | tapple | gimmulf: that error means you must be using a real terminal, ie alt-f1 |
| 00:32.02 | MatBoy | Max_-, the controller needs to support it |
| 00:32.13 | jetscreamer | right Max_- |
| 00:32.22 | tapple | gimmulf: I have no idea why, though |
| 00:32.23 | Max_- | thanks Guerin! |
| 00:32.39 | Max_- | yeah.. i'd be better, MatBoy ;) but I don'T know much about all this yet... |
| 00:32.42 | MatBoy | Max_-, or use Softwareraid and disconnect the SCSI-bus by command... simeple |
| 00:32.49 | Max_- | read a good description of raid types yet... |
| 00:32.50 | ThomasPorter | What sounds like a better idea? Buying a 10,000 RPM interal hard-drive (scsi) for $500 or buying a network attached 500 GB hard drive for $600? (7200 RPM) |
| 00:32.53 | MatBoy | Max_-, there is what you are here for :) |
| 00:33.15 | MatBoy | ThomasPorter, buy 2 7200RPM's in Raid1 :) |
| 00:33.23 | Nethox | gimmulf: then why you want to edit keyboard mapping if you arent using the real keyboard? |
| 00:33.31 | Max_- | thought of a raid5 though.. with 3 or 4 drives... |
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| 00:33.46 | ThomasPorter | MatBoy, as in the external? |
| 00:33.48 | gimmulf | Nethox: i dont know, just want to get the swedish chars running :) |
| 00:33.55 | jetscreamer | gee i don't know ThomasPorter arethere any games bundled? :) (that was a joke) |
| 00:34.07 | MatBoy | ThomasPorter, can be, but I should buy 2 7200's internal and place them with Softraid in raid1 |
| 00:34.12 | gimmulf | Nethox: does this tell you anything: http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/linux-il/12-2004/13237.html |
| 00:34.17 | jetscreamer | boot with lang= maybe gimmulf but i know nothing |
| 00:34.28 | ThomasPorter | "# (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks or disk mirroring) A technique in which data is simultaneously written to two hard drive for redundancy. If one of the drives fails the other will continue to function keeping the network operational." |
| 00:34.43 | ThomasPorter | MatBoy, yeah seems like a good idea |
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| 00:35.04 | MatBoy | ThomasPorter, indeed... the advanatge of Softraid is that also once drive is usable in every system |
| 00:35.19 | MatBoy | once=-one |
| 00:35.21 | ThomasPorter | MatBoy, do you think it'll make the server any slower using a networked hard dirve |
| 00:35.36 | gimmulf | tapple: how do i start a real terminal? alt+f1 dont work |
| 00:35.43 | MatBoy | ThomasPorter, NAS ? |
| 00:35.45 | Guerin | gimmulf: ctrl |
| 00:35.47 | ThomasPorter | MatBoy, I haven't' got hot swappable drives.. if one fails do I simply restart? |
| 00:35.49 | Nethox | gimmulf: yes, it what i have just said about the terminal emulator that uses SSH. dpkg-reconfigure console-data just for local consoles |
| 00:36.06 | mayelo | i need module for debian |
| 00:36.06 | mayelo | Intel (R) PRO/1000 PL Network |
| 00:36.16 | ThomasPorter | MatBoy, yep |
| 00:36.34 | ThomasPorter | MatBoy, my server only likes the really expencive HDs :P Its alot cheaper to use a NAS drie |
| 00:36.35 | MatBoy | ThomasPorter, yep, you can reboot... or from MD, or from the second disk trhat most of the time, when the drive is truely death becomes *DA |
| 00:36.42 | jfletcher | I really do hate java for what they've done. |
| 00:36.54 | tapple | gimmulf: what are you trying to do? I got the 'cannot get file-descriptor to console' error when starting x from screen |
| 00:36.56 | MatBoy | NAS is fast enought... really when it;s on 1 GB |
| 00:37.02 | gimmulf | Guerin: ctrl+f1 wont work either |
| 00:37.07 | Max_- | but with such a device I posted the URL above.... I still have to plug each SATA drives to the motherboard and have a motherboard supporting RAID, right??? |
| 00:37.07 | jfletcher | java se java me and java ee all mean the same thing to me, I want java jre15 and its just not on the menus. wtf. |
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| 00:37.24 | MatBoy | Max_-, not for SWraid |
| 00:37.26 | tapple | gimmulf: you are in ssh, right? |
| 00:37.31 | Guerin | gimmulf: ctr+alt, i mean |
| 00:37.37 | Guerin | gimmulf: in x, anyway |
| 00:37.54 | dansushi | MatBoy, sorry for the delay. that's the thing.. i'm not trying to.. i have no idea what the error means.. |
| 00:37.55 | Nethox | gimmulf: you can't use local consoles through SSH, and you don't need it anyways |
| 00:38.01 | mayelo | Intel (R) PRO/1000 PL Network |
| 00:38.02 | gimmulf | Guerin: its on a remote machine which i've ssh:ed too |
| 00:38.03 | mayelo | module |
| 00:38.08 | Max_- | yea.. I know that... pretty easy to make a swraid 5 with 4 SATA HDDs on a debian box??? |
| 00:38.16 | ThomasPorter | MatBoy, sorry, I don't think its NAS... I'll link you: http://www.ht.com.au/area/9702/group/11422/tree/11451/part/T0425/detail.hts |
| 00:38.17 | Guerin | gimmulf: bah, what makes you think you can get a terminal, then? |
| 00:38.18 | Nethox | gimmulf: SSH shells are all virtual terminal emulators |
| 00:38.21 | MatBoy | dansushi, get your sources from the net :) that's better |
| 00:38.32 | jatt | I just installed mono from debian unstable and I get the following error message when running a program compiled with gmcs: |
| 00:38.32 | jatt | ./test.exe |
| 00:38.32 | jatt | run-detectors: unable to find an interpreter for ./test.exe |
| 00:38.35 | Guerin | gimmulf: if you weant more terminals use screen |
| 00:38.40 | gimmulf | Nethox: is there any wsolution? :) |
| 00:38.44 | jatt | mono test.exe |
| 00:38.44 | jatt | works though. |
| 00:38.58 | Guerin | jatt: it's working properly |
| 00:39.08 | jatt | what I am missing? I want to run test.exe only (it works that way in ubuntu) |
| 00:39.23 | administrator | i was wondering what the command to rebuild the debian menu was |
| 00:39.25 | tapple | gimmulf: what are you trying to do? run loadkeys via ssh? |
| 00:39.28 | jatt | I don't understand where the run-detectors message comes from. |
| 00:39.39 | Guerin | jatt: dunno. |
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| 00:40.01 | gimmulf | tapple: im trying to get swedish characters to work in the system which i've ssh:ed to which is running Debian, it's a VPS |
| 00:40.14 | MatBoy | ThomasPorter, don;t buy it... too expensive |
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| 00:40.24 | tapple | gimmulf: you should configure your keyboard on the machine you are running on. |
| 00:40.25 | Nethox | tapple: short answer: yes |
| 00:40.26 | ThomasPorter | MatBoy, thats in Australian Dollars |
| 00:40.34 | MatBoy | I don;t know the value |
| 00:40.35 | MatBoy | but OK |
| 00:40.38 | Guerin | gimmulf: dpkg-reconfigure locales will require your term to be compatibe with whatever charset you've selected, and you'll need to relogin |
| 00:40.44 | MatBoy | you have no redundancy |
| 00:40.47 | gimmulf | tapple: the characters /keyboard works fine on this machine |
| 00:40.51 | MatBoy | do you need external ? |
| 00:40.54 | Guerin | gimmulf: but it does work |
| 00:41.01 | ThomasPorter | Matboy, I was just wondering if it would slow down the server to use a network attached HD |
| 00:41.06 | modulo7 | what's the program in the xorg suite to send events to windows? |
| 00:41.11 | ThomasPorter | Matboy, would my users notice a difference? |
| 00:41.22 | gimmulf | Guerin: so should i exit the ssh session and ssh back into it? |
| 00:41.25 | MatBoy | ThomasPorter, I think they won't |
| 00:41.34 | Guerin | gimmulf: yes. |
| 00:41.38 | gimmulf | okok |
| 00:41.39 | MatBoy | lrage files ? |
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| 00:41.42 | MatBoy | large |
| 00:41.43 | dansushi | MatBoy, i'm trying to |
| 00:41.44 | ThomasPorter | MatBoy, thanks for your help ;) |
| 00:41.54 | Max_- | MatBoy, easy enough to make a swraid 5 with, say.. 3 or 4 SATA HDDs on a debian box??? |
| 00:42.18 | gimmulf | Guerin: still doesnt work, it just beeps when i press thoose swedish chars on my keyboard |
| 00:42.30 | MatBoy | dansushi, just uncomment the things in /etc/apt/sources and commenct the cdrom |
| 00:42.42 | Guerin | gimmulf: if your local machine beeps then it's a local problem, not a remote problem. |
| 00:42.43 | MatBoy | Max_-, yep, very easy ! |
| 00:42.51 | MatBoy | Max_-, you want to boot from it ? |
| 00:43.01 | MatBoy | ThomasPorter, you're very welcome ! |
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| 00:43.06 | gimmulf | Guerin: wierd since everything works fine on this machine |
| 00:43.19 | alamar | hi i've got a problem when trying to burn a dvd with growisofs |
| 00:43.20 | MatBoy | guys, I need sleep... :P |
| 00:43.33 | Max_- | MatBoy.. The whole computer will probably be on it... since it'S going to really only be a server... no desktop thing at all |
| 00:43.52 | alamar | first I tried with "growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J foo/" (/dev/dvd links to /dev/hdc the dvdburn device) |
| 00:43.56 | alamar | i got the error: |
| 00:43.57 | tapple | gimmulf: is it a windows machine? if so, you may need to configure putty somehow |
| 00:44.02 | alamar | :-[ WRITE@LBA=10h failed with SK=5h/ASC=21h/ACQ=02h]: Invalid argument |
| 00:44.02 | alamar | :-( write failed: Invalid argument |
| 00:44.02 | MatBoy | Max_-, make a Raid5 for DATA and a Raid1 for OS |
| 00:44.15 | gimmulf | tapple: no its an ubuntu machine running rxvt-unicode |
| 00:44.18 | MatBoy | Max_-, hosting ? |
| 00:44.34 | Max_- | MatBoy isn't it going to take at least 5 drives??? |
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| 00:44.45 | alamar | so i thought it might be caused by mkisofs building "wrong" images - so i fetched an image from the internet and tried to burn it with "growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=foo.iso" same error |
| 00:44.55 | alamar | does anybody have an idea what might cause this? |
| 00:44.55 | Nethox | gimmulf: use rxvt, that version force the unicode locale settings |
| 00:44.55 | alex_c | What's teh canonical way to file a bug report for debian, again? |
| 00:44.58 | MatBoy | Max yep but earier so move DATA with the drives directly |
| 00:45.08 | Max_- | MatBoy, hosting a commercial selling website, and maybe some other pages and servers using more RAM like ventrilo or teamspeak, such things |
| 00:46.02 | alex_c | Ah, reportbug |
| 00:46.03 | gimmulf | Nethox: tried that now, still same problem :) |
| 00:46.11 | modulo7 | gimmulf: encodings are a pita. learn to use strace and gdb. and happy debugging. |
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| 00:47.05 | Nethox | gimmulf: its a misconfiguration, you just know what files must be edited, and it does works |
| 00:47.05 | MatBoy | Max... seperate it you like... other... make one Raid5 array |
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| 00:47.41 | Max_- | MatBoy , with a swraid, do I need a motherboard which supports raids already? |
| 00:48.01 | MatBoy | Max_-, nope and if it does.. yo9u have to turn it off |
| 00:48.23 | MatBoy | Max_-, for SATA btw |
| 00:48.30 | Max_- | okay, great |
| 00:48.40 | alamar | no ideas about that dvd burning problem? |
| 00:48.41 | Max_- | so I'll first need to search for a SATA box |
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| 00:48.51 | MatBoy | Max_-, I have make a studie of it almost... 3 years :) |
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| 00:49.05 | MatBoy | Max_-, if you want hotswap :) |
| 00:49.35 | DocOC | anyone else here tried enlightenments pre-dr17 cvs? |
| 00:49.50 | dansushi | MatBoy, it is commented.. i've never had this happene before.. it started only a cuople of days ago |
| 00:49.54 | gimmulf | Nethox: well i have added: SCREEN_FONT=lat0-sun16 to console-data config and then run reconfigure console-data |
| 00:50.23 | Max_- | MatBoy, even without a raid controller, I can hotswap with SATA????? (I like that idea) |
| 00:50.28 | MatBoy | dansushi, could be a dist-upgrade that you have done... had such things once also |
| 00:50.28 | Nethox | gimmulf: forget that, its for local consoles |
| 00:50.45 | MatBoy | Max_-, yesp, did it last week once again :) |
| 00:51.09 | gimmulf | Nethox: isnt there anything else to restart or something to get it working |
| 00:51.14 | MatBoy | Max_-, and it is easier than HW almost |
| 00:51.19 | Max_- | great!! you're of great help MatBoy... another thing... I guess swraid slows things down a bit.. no? |
| 00:51.29 | Max_- | MatBoy, heh okay :) |
| 00:51.58 | MatBoy | Max_-, you're welcome... nope... that is nothing anymore with these Mhz's.... but really SWraid is sometimes faster than HW |
| 00:52.08 | jatt | hmmm seems #325313 needs to be reopened again... |
| 00:52.32 | MatBoy | Max_-, mosty the sticked System administrators don't like it because they have to blaim thereself when something goed wrong |
| 00:52.36 | Max_- | MatBoy, ohhh nice then.. I'll really consider trying this... |
| 00:52.39 | MatBoy | and not the HW-controller |
| 00:53.19 | Max_- | MatBoy, lol okay.. but well I won't play much in it once everything will be up and running, so there should not be too many problems... |
| 00:53.30 | MatBoy | Max_-, use it and love it... I did my first hotswap on a live system :) |
| 00:53.30 | Max_- | where are you MatBoy? |
| 00:53.31 | dansushi | MatBoy, i haven't upgraded |
| 00:53.56 | MatBoy | dansushi, than still.. it are computers :P you have nothing reconfigured ? |
| 00:54.03 | MatBoy | Max_-, Cheesehead :D |
| 00:54.05 | dansushi | yep |
| 00:54.29 | MatBoy | reconfigured sometign ? |
| 00:54.41 | Max_- | MatBoy, well, so now I need to find out how much ram/swap/HDD I need... btw.. no trouble with putting swap partition on the raid? |
| 00:54.43 | dansushi | no, nothing at all |
| 00:55.02 | MatBoy | Max_-, make it Raid1 to all drives... you will be fine |
| 00:55.08 | MatBoy | btw |
| 00:55.18 | k31th | Guys my mail server is filtering spam to an email address.. BUT its still sending spam to the users email |
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| 00:55.21 | MatBoy | you need that for /boot also... because you can;t boot from Raid5 |
| 00:55.32 | k31th | im using postfix & amavis with spam assassin |
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| 00:55.41 | MatBoy | know=now |
| 00:56.07 | MatBoy | k31th, check if SMTP uses spamassassin |
| 00:56.09 | ThomasPorter | Matboy, wouldn't a NAS be faster as it doesn't use the servers processor? |
| 00:56.20 | MatBoy | k31th, I think it doesn't... moslty only incomming by default |
| 00:56.35 | MatBoy | ThomasPorter, not that much |
| 00:56.40 | k31th | MatBoy: im talking about incoming mail |
| 00:56.43 | jfletcher | yeah I just installed frostwire, java is also installed but frostwire doesnt look for java in the right place |
| 00:56.49 | jfletcher | how do I fix this witha sys link? |
| 00:56.50 | MatBoy | ThomasPorter, yiou really have to use a stopwatch for 2 days to notice that |
| 00:57.00 | Max_- | MatBoy, raid1 doesn'T provide with more space .. if I can stay with the parity check option I'll keep with it.. else every drives are only copies.. and I'll save a drive with raid5 compared with raid10 or 0+1... no? |
| 00:57.33 | MatBoy | k31th, google on it.. you need to make some good settings for your pipelines ( or how it's called) |
| 00:58.24 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher run #update-alternatives --config java |
| 00:58.29 | MatBoy | Max_-, you only need 1GB for swap @ max and 100MB for boot for every drive |
| 00:58.38 | MatBoy | 100MB for boot is huge btw ! |
| 00:58.43 | ThomasPorter | MatBoy, aha you are right. I'm just trying to figure out what company should take my money |
| 00:58.46 | Max_- | sure |
| 00:58.47 | gimmulf | Anyone know howto get swedish characters working on a remote VPS running debian which i've ssh:ed too? I have ran dpkg-reconfigure locales but it doesnt work, it just beeps here on my local machine when i press the swedish characters at my keyboard |
| 00:58.48 | MatBoy | 2 will do also |
| 00:58.57 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: thanks pal |
| 00:59.03 | MatBoy | ThomasPorter, good point... i'm always doing the same :) |
| 00:59.12 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher you will have up to 4 options |
| 00:59.42 | Max_- | lol... came here with the idea of making a raid5 with a controller.. and I'll maybe go away to make a raid1 on 2 hdds |
| 00:59.44 | Max_- | funny |
| 01:00.15 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: still not doing it, getting the same errors. unable to locate java in /opt/ etc |
| 01:00.24 | MatBoy | Max_-, that is know as... flexible talking, thinking and comparing.. welcome to the happy world :) |
| 01:00.34 | bws42 | lol |
| 01:00.44 | Ryanw | c'mon guys, i've got a really annoying problem with pppd and i need some help, who can i ask? |
| 01:01.03 | MatBoy | Ryanw, sorry, I really can;t help you with it :( |
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| 01:01.06 | bws42 | you could just ask |
| 01:01.21 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher does it give you several options? |
| 01:01.37 | jfletcher | the command you gave me? no its just returns a new bash line |
| 01:01.40 | Max_- | heh thx MatBoy, I'll go think about all of it a bit... bbl8r |
| 01:02.18 | MatBoy | Max_-, yeah make some fun with it... and don;t be afraid about SWraid1... why ? you can just connect the drive to a machine and read out DATA :) |
| 01:02.19 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher jre installed from sid? |
| 01:02.37 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: no, i chmod +x's the bin |
| 01:02.41 | jfletcher | im on etch |
| 01:02.48 | Ryanw | pppd fails to terminate after receiving an LCP terminate request only when multilink has been negioated, and the persist option is not present. |
| 01:03.07 | administrator | mike__kayaker: do you know what the commandline to rebuild the debian menu system is? (like what happens after you apt-get a package |
| 01:03.10 | administrator | ) |
| 01:03.11 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher I am in Etch as well but i d/load jre from sid |
| 01:03.36 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: may I ask what repository lines you have for it? |
| 01:03.46 | jfletcher | becuase mine just says no package found |
| 01:04.10 | alex_c | Bloody firewall caused reportbug to die... in case someone else has the time to submit a bug, this should go against xfig: |
| 01:04.10 | alex_c | When I tried to export an image as "EPS and PDF", I got an error |
| 01:04.10 | alex_c | dialog indicating that xfig had failed to shell out to fig2dev. Turns |
| 01:04.10 | alex_c | out that this is in the transfig package. I install transfig, and the |
| 01:04.10 | alex_c | problem went away. So not a problem for me, but perhaps the |
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| 01:04.24 | jfletcher | administrator: do killall -9 gnome-panel, that'll refresh the menu and add the new program |
| 01:04.27 | jfletcher | if that's what you mean |
| 01:04.46 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 01:04.46 | mike__kayaker | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 01:04.46 | jfletcher | thanks |
| 01:05.02 | mike__kayaker | may want to change "de" |
| 01:05.08 | administrator | jfletcher: i am not using gnome |
| 01:05.09 | mike__kayaker | to local |
| 01:05.55 | gimmulf | Anyone know howto get swedish characters working on a remote machine running debian which i've ssh:ed too? I have ran dpkg-reconfigure locales but it doesnt work, it just beeps here on my local machine when i press the swedish characters at my keyboard |
| 01:06.36 | administrator | maybe i shall wait until mhall gets here |
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| 01:08.38 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: what's the full package name? |
| 01:08.49 | jfletcher | I can't seem to search anything like java-jre15 |
| 01:09.31 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher Just jre |
| 01:09.41 | jfletcher | thx |
| 01:09.53 | jfletcher | can't find package :/ |
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| 01:10.40 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher I have only just loaded it myself |
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| 01:11.18 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher It is in there |
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| 01:11.43 | kaitlyn | Hi, I have a Intel Conroe 2.69ghz DuoCore 64bit, which arch would I get? (I've never installed Debian on a 64bit processor) |
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| 01:12.37 | karsten | kaitlyn: 686 |
| 01:12.56 | karsten | kaitlyn: ... 686-smp if you want more hamsters. |
| 01:13.01 | MatBoy | kaitlyn, would you like to give me some performance ideas how it runs ? |
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| 01:13.35 | karsten | kaitlyn: Erm. Prolly 64 as well, One sec. |
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| 01:13.47 | kaitlyn | karsten: But when I download the CZD, which arch do I get? I don't see either 686 on the download page. |
| 01:14.13 | MatBoy | 686 is OK... you need to recompile your kernel for SMP |
| 01:14.23 | kaitlyn | MatBoy: Overclocked to 3.3 with no problems, and it runs very, very well. |
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| 01:14.35 | MatBoy | kaitlyn, I want to know with Linux |
| 01:14.36 | karsten | kaitlyn: This should get you started: linux-image-2.6-686-smp |
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| 01:14.56 | MatBoy | because I doubt if you have real perfoncance on it comparing to a normal processor P4 3,2 Ghz |
| 01:14.59 | karsten | kaitlyn: linux-image-2.6.16-2-686-smp is the specific current 2.6 kernel release. |
| 01:15.04 | kaitlyn | karsten: Do I vcan just download the 1386, aned apot-get that kernel? |
| 01:15.15 | karsten | kaitlyn: 1386? |
| 01:15.25 | kaitlyn | MatBoy: I'll let you know once I get once I get it installed. |
| 01:15.27 | mikedub | how can I resolve a package that's been 'kept back' for some time? |
| 01:15.35 | karsten | kaitlyn: fewer typos please ;-) |
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| 01:15.47 | MatBoy | kaitlyn, yep, would be nice... I'm most of the time here online... can be that I'm a day off |
| 01:15.48 | o2T7 | hello |
| 01:15.51 | mikedub | i syuppose there's lots of ways depending on lots of things |
| 01:15.58 | karsten | mikedub: ?? Find out why it's being held back and force it forward? aptitude interactive mode. |
| 01:16.41 | kaitlyn | karsten: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst |
| 01:17.15 | karsten | kaitlyn: Looking, it appears there isn't an Intel-specific 64 bit port. There *is* Debian AMD64 in unstable/testing (etch/sid). |
| 01:17.16 | o2T7 | Do you know why is the server so slow now? |
| 01:17.25 | karsten | kaitlyn: I'm not entirely sure about compatibility. |
| 01:17.30 | karsten | o2T7: What server? |
| 01:17.34 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher you find it ok/ |
| 01:17.35 | o2T7 | web |
| 01:17.37 | o2T7 | debian.org |
| 01:17.42 | o2T7 | and ftp too |
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| 01:17.59 | karsten | !tell o2T7 about enter |
| 01:18.05 | karsten | o2T7: *What* are you nattering about? |
| 01:18.24 | o2T7 | just wanted to download the netinstall for sarge |
| 01:18.50 | o2T7 | well, bettersaid, just wantod to chech the link for netinstall downloading |
| 01:19.06 | karsten | o2T7: GIYF |
| 01:19.08 | karsten | !netinst |
| 01:19.08 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 01:19.17 | karsten | kaitlyn: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 01:19.30 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: no ;s im just getting tonnes of errors now |
| 01:19.36 | karsten | kaitlyn: ... I think that's the only official 64 bit arch supported. |
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| 01:19.59 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: http://nopaste.php-q.net - would you mind pasting out your sources? |
| 01:20.11 | karsten | kaitlyn: That said, Intel are IIRC implementing the AMD 64 bit instruction set, though the marketing is *very* vague on this. |
| 01:20.12 | jfletcher | mine are screwed. |
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| 01:20.45 | o2T7 | karsten: i know how to search the web, ty |
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| 01:21.07 | o2T7 | i just was asking if anyone knows the reason for such slowness |
| 01:21.09 | karsten | kaitlyn: Netinst for testing/unstable, see: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:21.20 | karsten | o2T7: Whatever |
| 01:21.54 | karsten | kaitlyn: ia64: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/ia64/iso-cd/debian-testing-ia64-netinst.iso |
| 01:22.41 | karsten | o2T7: check latency between yourself and the site. I'm not seeing any particular issues. traceroute / mtr are your friends. |
| 01:22.57 | kaitlyn | ia64 is for Intel 64s? |
| 01:23.04 | karsten | kaitlyn: ia == intel architecture |
| 01:23.17 | kaitlyn | karsten: ^_^ Thanks. |
| 01:23.31 | karsten | !ia64 |
| 01:23.31 | dpkg | somebody said ia64 was (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" architecture using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/xeon, it is NOT ia64 |
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| 01:23.59 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher http://nopaste.php-q.net/238823. |
| 01:23.59 | o2T7 | karsten: ok, i'm connecting from spain, perhaps it is a local problem then |
| 01:24.26 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: thanks alot. |
| 01:24.39 | o2T7 | it is sooooo slow |
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| 01:25.03 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher I installed frostwire an hr ago |
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| 01:26.03 | ThomasPorter | Is Fujitsu a crappy HD brand? |
| 01:26.25 | Heston | ThomasPorter, they're all crap |
| 01:26.33 | Heston | pick something with a decent warranty |
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| 01:27.29 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: http://nopaste.php-q.net/238824 |
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| 01:27.32 | jfletcher | these are my errors |
| 01:27.47 | jfletcher | and sudo apt-get install jre then fails |
| 01:27.59 | jfletcher | as in, package not found |
| 01:27.59 | ThomasPorter | Heston, well Fujitsu's $200 cheaper then the offical HP one.. |
| 01:28.24 | dansushi | how do i install a scanner on debian? |
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| 01:28.48 | Heston | ThomasPorter, if it's got the same warranty, go for it |
| 01:28.56 | o2T7 | i don't know why, if i pass through ISP server to cdimage.debian.org there is a 90% of loss |
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| 01:29.10 | o2T7 | but if i go to any other site there is no such loss |
| 01:29.13 | o2T7 | ty |
| 01:29.45 | ThomasPorter | Heston, warrenty? :S... what warrenty :P ;) |
| 01:29.58 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: do you have any idea about this problem? |
| 01:30.05 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher you using Ubuntu? |
| 01:30.08 | Heston | ThomasPorter, well that's about the only thing you base the life of your HD on |
| 01:30.10 | jfletcher | no |
| 01:30.13 | jfletcher | debian |
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| 01:30.19 | Heston | if it doesnt have a warranty, it could die the next day |
| 01:30.20 | jfletcher | i just installed sudo |
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| 01:30.56 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher i found synaptic an easy option |
| 01:31.41 | jfletcher | hm, no package called jre available ther either |
| 01:32.04 | karsten | kaitlyn: Sorted? |
| 01:32.24 | jfletcher | not a bad idea karsten |
| 01:33.09 | karsten | kaitlyn: If I haven't already posted, general info on ia64: http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ |
| 01:33.35 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher (package sun-java5-jdk). |
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| 01:35.11 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: I found this one, just downloading now |
| 01:36.10 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher ,Sorry though you were in synaptic where the exact spelling is not imperitive |
| 01:36.28 | jfletcher | aha |
| 01:36.30 | jfletcher | I see |
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| 01:36.39 | merlincorey | hoy |
| 01:36.52 | ThomasPorter | A hot swappable HD can't go into a non-hot swap slot can it? |
| 01:37.09 | mike__kayaker | rhymes |
| 01:37.13 | karsten | ThomasPorter: Think on it. |
| 01:37.33 | merlincorey | how can I tell apt that I *really* want a specific version of a package? I keep requestion foo.3.4 and apt keeps changing it to foo.4.0 and I *really* need 3.4 |
| 01:37.35 | jfletcher | damnit |
| 01:37.35 | karsten | ThomasPorter: Risk is probably in the electrical disconnect among other things. You want a smooth current cut. |
| 01:37.37 | merlincorey | :/ |
| 01:37.42 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: the install failed somehow ;s |
| 01:37.50 | karsten | merlincorey: '-t' |
| 01:38.00 | karsten | merlincorey: ... or get the .deb itself and install via dpkg. |
| 01:38.15 | ThomasPorter | karsteesn, assuming all the same plug t |
| 01:38.19 | karsten | ThomasPorter: voltage spikes + storage = bad day |
| 01:38.22 | ThomasPorter | *plug types |
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| 01:38.36 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher Did it prompt you to accept agreement? |
| 01:38.54 | jfletcher | ye |
| 01:39.03 | merlincorey | ah |
| 01:39.03 | jfletcher | jre is installed now though |
| 01:39.10 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher and still failed |
| 01:39.10 | jfletcher | what was the command you gave earlier? |
| 01:39.18 | ThomasPorter | karsten, is short, no it wont work :P |
| 01:39.19 | jfletcher | #somthing --config java |
| 01:39.25 | merlincorey | I was unaware -t could be used for more than just the distrobution tree |
| 01:39.27 | merlincorey | that is sweet |
| 01:39.31 | merlincorey | thanks kaitlyn |
| 01:39.32 | merlincorey | errr |
| 01:39.37 | merlincorey | karsten, actually |
| 01:39.40 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher did frostwire fail or jre? |
| 01:39.42 | merlincorey | but thanks kaitlyn, too |
| 01:39.54 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: java-bin |
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| 01:40.25 | karsten | merlincorey: ... I think you can also fully specify a package (name + release version) rather than just, say, "bash". |
| 01:40.39 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher run #update-alternatives --config java |
| 01:40.44 | karsten | merlincorey: So: aptitude install bash-3.1-5 |
| 01:40.57 | karsten | merlincorey: I think my '-t' advice was bogus. |
| 01:41.03 | nopalin | what does this error means? ** ERROR **: Not enough memory to set up DBusConnection for use with GLib |
| 01:41.06 | mike__kayaker | jfletcher select the bin option |
| 01:41.17 | jfletcher | it gives no options |
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| 01:41.26 | merlincorey | karsten, well, my problem is that: apt-get install bash-3.1-5 apt says that I really want the other and I'm like no, I don't I want the one I asked for |
| 01:41.33 | merlincorey | karsten, and yes maybe... |
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| 01:41.51 | mike__kayaker | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.51 | mike__kayaker | * 3 /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java |
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| 01:42.18 | merlincorey | it selected the default package with your -t advice because I think the version numbers in the man page refer to debian release numbers :p |
| 01:42.40 | karsten | merlincorey: ?? |
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| 01:43.09 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: http://nopaste.php-q.net/238825 |
| 01:43.16 | jfletcher | here is what happened. |
| 01:43.22 | gimmulf | How do i make console running utf-8 outside X? |
| 01:43.30 | karsten | !tell mike__kayaker about paste |
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| 01:43.39 | merlincorey | karsten, oh no I found out the problem thanks to aptitude, I think |
| 01:43.42 | karsten | gimmulf: ?? |
| 01:44.13 | karsten | merlincorey: OK. I've found that using aptitude manually you can both specify the specific installation target *and* resolve its requirements, upgrading / downgrading packages as necessary. |
| 01:44.54 | gimmulf | karsten: having problems getting swedish characters working on a debian machine which i have ssh:ed too, i've ran dpkg-reconfigure locales and export LC_ALL="sv_SE.UTF-8" but swedish characters still doesnt work, been trying for 4 hours |
| 01:45.23 | mike__kayaker | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.33 | gimmulf | karsten: i've also ran dpkg-reconfigure console-data/console-setup |
| 01:45.45 | karsten | gimmulf: Got it. Both boxes are Debian? |
| 01:46.08 | gimmulf | karsten: nope, the machine im sitting at now and ssh:ing from is ubuntu running an rxvt-unicode terminal |
| 01:46.22 | gimmulf | karsten: the machine im having problem with is running debian |
| 01:46.22 | karsten | gimmulf: This is going to be an interaction of your local fonts, local terminal, $TERM, $LANG, remote host, remote language support, and remote interpretation of both $TERM and $LANG. |
| 01:46.30 | karsten | gimmulf: In other words: it's a bit of a mess. |
| 01:46.43 | gimmulf | karsten: but i really have to get this working :) |
| 01:47.11 | karsten | gimmulf: ssh will propogate $TERM to the remote host which will make its best guess as to what to provide. I'd suggest xterm or linux as base defaults which may work regardless of other settings. |
| 01:47.22 | mike__kayaker | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.39 | karsten | gimmulf: You're going to have to proivde swedish language support through locales both locally and remotely. |
| 01:48.02 | karsten | gimmulf: ... and your local font needs to support swedish glyphs. |
| 01:48.17 | mike__kayaker | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.45 | karsten | gimmulf: Start locally: does everything work? If so, start a minimal configuration remotely (xterm/linux for term) and see if you've got language support. |
| 01:48.56 | karsten | gimmulf: Other than that, disentangling this sort of thing is a tad of a mess. |
| 01:49.11 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: I don't have it installed, what's the pakcage called? |
| 01:49.21 | jfletcher | I was doing #update-alternatives on terminal |
| 01:49.29 | karsten | gimmulf: And I'm not sure what xterms unicode / foreign language support is. rvxt-unicode should nominally be OK. |
| 01:49.40 | karsten | s/xterms/xterm's/ |
| 01:49.57 | karsten | gimmulf: So: what are LANG and TERM, locally and remotely? |
| 01:49.59 | merlincorey | apparently I am being punished |
| 01:50.06 | gimmulf | karsten: but what should i do then, is there any better solution? i gonna use this remote machine which is a VPS for development and i want to be able to develop in vim at the server and then i need to use ssh |
| 01:50.20 | karsten | gimmulf: What I told you. |
| 01:50.28 | gimmulf | yeah :) |
| 01:50.31 | mike__kayaker | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.34 | karsten | gimmulf: Work through the process. Identify where the problem is. Resolve it. |
| 01:50.47 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: the package for update-alternatives cmd |
| 01:51.07 | karsten | gimmulf: ... and answer the damned questions instead of posting irrelevant crap. I don't care what your needs are, I need to know the configuration, apps used, what does / doesn't work. |
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| 01:51.42 | gimmulf | ok sorry karsten and i really appriciate your help on this |
| 01:51.53 | mike__kayaker | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.24 | jfletcher | I see |
| 01:52.31 | mike__kayaker | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:52.33 | anarcat | hello |
| 01:52.34 | JJ|Laptop | can i get some suggestions for a server host? shared or dedicated |
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| 01:52.42 | anarcat | i lost DRI after a xorg 6.9 to 7.0 upgrade |
| 01:53.00 | anarcat | the Xorg.0.log file tells me direct rendering is enabled, but glxinfo says otherwise |
| 01:53.06 | anarcat | and glxgears is slow as hell, any ideas? |
| 01:53.29 | karsten | anarcat: /var/log/xorg.0.log |
| 01:53.43 | gimmulf | karsten: how do i check LANG? echo $LANG shows nothing remotely, locally $LANG shows en_US.UTF-8(should be: sv_SE.UTF-8), $TERM remote: rxvt-unicode (same locally) |
| 01:53.47 | karsten | anarcat: Doh, nevermind. |
| 01:53.56 | karsten | gimmulf: echo $LANG; locale |
| 01:54.10 | karsten | gimmulf: export LANG=sv_SE.UTF-8 |
| 01:54.51 | karsten | gimmulf: Prolly add that to your ~/.bash_profile or set it as a system default (dpkg-reconfigure locales) if you're the sole user of the workstation. |
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| 01:54.56 | gimmulf | karsten: ok lang and term is the same on both machines now |
| 01:55.08 | karsten | gimmulf: kill the ssh session and re-connect |
| 01:55.21 | karsten | gimmulf: Check your LANG value _before_ starting the SSH session. |
| 01:55.27 | gimmulf | okok |
| 01:55.37 | anarcat | karsten: weird eh? :) |
| 01:55.38 | karsten | gimmulf: If necessary, export LANG first. And confirm that scandihoovian characters show. |
| 01:55.41 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: |
| 01:55.43 | jfletcher | jfletcher@nukeh:~$ update-alternatives --config java |
| 01:55.44 | jfletcher | bash: update-alternatives: command not found |
| 01:55.47 | anarcat | i don't understand how that is possible |
| 01:55.56 | karsten | anarcat: One of the numerous areas of Linux I understand but vaguely. |
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| 01:56.25 | levander | I'm about to run a program that's going to download a bunch of files in a specific directory. Is there any easy way to figure out what files have been added? It might modify a couple of files, and I'd like to see those to. |
| 01:56.27 | gimmulf | karsten: $LANG was changed to nothing when i ssh:ed back in |
| 01:56.30 | karsten | anarcat: What's your gfx card? |
| 01:56.35 | ericP | jfletcher, unagi:~# dpkg -S /usr/sbin/update-alternatives |
| 01:56.35 | ericP | dpkg: /usr/sbin/update-alternatives |
| 01:56.38 | karsten | gimmulf: locally: export LANG= |
| 01:56.50 | karsten | gimmulf: Has to happen from the shell you're ssh'ing from. |
| 01:56.52 | jfletcher | ericP: ahh, thankyou :) |
| 01:56.58 | gimmulf | karsten: i did that just before ssh:ing and checked it with echoing it |
| 01:57.08 | karsten | gimmulf: OK. The export it again remotley. |
| 01:57.11 | karsten | remotely. |
| 01:57.46 | ericP | levander, you want to diff a local directory against something on the web? |
| 01:57.48 | mike__kayaker | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.50 | gimmulf | karsten: i did, it just beeps when i press thoose swedish characters |
| 01:58.10 | karsten | gimmulf: OK. Do you have root remotely? |
| 01:58.10 | anarcat | karsten: Intel(r)852MG/852MGE/855MG/855MGE Graphics Controller |
| 01:58.13 | levander | ericP: no, it's a program that downloads stuff for install, it's rubygem |
| 01:58.17 | anarcat | karsten: it used to work in 6.0 |
| 01:58.17 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: strange huh? |
| 01:58.19 | karsten | anarcat: Start googling ;-) |
| 01:58.19 | anarcat | 6.9 |
| 01:58.21 | gimmulf | karsten: yes and im root atm |
| 01:58.23 | levander | ericP: I want to know what files it downloads |
| 01:58.27 | anarcat | karsten: yeah, i guess :/ |
| 01:58.28 | anarcat | okay |
| 01:58.30 | anarcat | thanks :) |
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| 01:58.40 | karsten | gimmulf: Confirm that you've got that locale configured remotely. And locally. |
| 01:58.42 | ericP | levander, you could run strace on it |
| 01:58.44 | anarcat | just wanted to sanity check this :) |
| 01:58.51 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: yeah |
| 01:58.58 | karsten | gimmulf: dpkg-reconfigure locals |
| 01:59.08 | gimmulf | karsten: weee it works!! |
| 01:59.19 | ericP | levander, $(strace -fo monitor someinstallthingy) |
| 01:59.19 | jfletcher | wait |
| 01:59.23 | mike__kayaker | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.24 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: I got it |
| 01:59.25 | gimmulf | karsten: thank you soo much, i added the export to bash_profile and restarted ssh session |
| 01:59.37 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: which option to choose? |
| 01:59.43 | levander | ericP: thanks, but digging through all the system calls to see what files have been downloaded sounds like a huge pain |
| 01:59.47 | karsten | gimmulf: Coolio. |
| 01:59.49 | mike__kayaker | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.50 | ericP | levander, if you want to do more homework (read man page), you can make strace just record the file opens |
| 02:00.08 | karsten | gimmulf: Add that to .bash_profile on *both* hosts. |
| 02:00.13 | karsten | gimmulf: Should work betterer. |
| 02:00.22 | levander | ericP: actually just had an idea, i'll 'ls -R * > temp.txt', the do another after the download, can just run diff on the two output files |
| 02:00.38 | karsten | gimmulf: FYI: http://my.opera.com/Mr Green/blog/show.dml/146230 |
| 02:00.43 | ericP | levander, sure, if it's going to contain itself nicely |
| 02:00.48 | karsten | gimmulf: One line. Broken URL. |
| 02:01.19 | jfletcher | mike__kayaker: tankyou very much for helping me, jez gehts, danke fuers tun :) |
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| 02:01.23 | jfletcher | and thankyou ericP also |
| 02:01.36 | mike__kayaker | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.49 | jfletcher | ^_^ |
| 02:01.58 | levander | ericP: yeah, i do trust that it all goes in one directory, but i am looking at the strace man page now to see what you were talking about tracing file open calls only |
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| 02:02.43 | ericP | levander, ha! now you're caught |
| 02:02.49 | cronin | anyone ever use cinema 4d with after effects? |
| 02:03.00 | Lilandra | hi, what's the default desktop environment that debian net install installs? |
| 02:03.03 | ericP | anyone here know the magic mojo for running the batik rasterizer in libbatik-java ? i keep getting: java.security.AccessControlException: access denied (java.util.PropertyPermission java.security.policy write) |
| 02:03.08 | mike__kayaker | Gnome |
| 02:03.22 | karsten | !lose ericP |
| 02:03.22 | dpkg | ericP: You Lose. |
| 02:03.30 | karsten | :-) |
| 02:03.35 | Lilandra | ok...but it does install some kdelibs? |
| 02:03.50 | Lilandra | and thanks |
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| 02:03.54 | levander | ericP: caught? |
| 02:04.16 | mike__kayaker | oops |
| 02:04.18 | ericP | i have too much high quality porn and mp3s. can anyone mirror it for me? |
| 02:04.26 | mike__kayaker | lol |
| 02:04.28 | mike__kayaker | mmmm |
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| 02:04.41 | ericP | levander, yeah, you have one solution, but are reading man pages for a cooler one |
| 02:05.07 | respa | how do I restart network configuration from begining? like the system was just installed |
| 02:05.12 | mike__kayaker | Lilandra: I just apt-get install kde |
| 02:05.26 | Lilandra | well, i do want gnome...i'm just wondering all that it's downloading |
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| 02:05.56 | mike__kayaker | Lilandra: I am in Gnome/Etch net install at the mo |
| 02:06.00 | karsten | ericP: For payment in model time. |
| 02:06.09 | Lilandra | ok thanks mike__kayaker |
| 02:07.13 | ericP | respa, dpkg-reconfigure something-or-other (gotta find the right package by doing stuff like $(dpkg -S /etc/resolve.conf) or other obvious stuff from that package |
| 02:07.25 | z36ra | respa, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Network-Install-HOWTO.html |
| 02:07.50 | ericP | karsten, not sure you really want me to model, but what the hell? |
| 02:07.53 | karsten | respa: Try: dpkg-reconfigure ifupdown |
| 02:08.02 | karsten | respa: But IIRC that's something that's handled in the base install. |
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| 02:08.21 | karsten | ericP: I'm almost 100% positive I don't. But for your pr0n talent... |
| 02:09.13 | karsten | respa: possibly dpkg --reconfigure base-config |
| 02:10.03 | karsten | respa: ... or aptitude install --reinstall base-config. One sec. |
| 02:10.12 | z36ra | hehe |
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| 02:10.52 | karsten | respa: Alternatively, just fscking edit /etc/network/interfaces and be done with it, which is frankly what I'd do. |
| 02:11.14 | ericP | what respa said |
| 02:11.27 | ericP | s/respa/karsten/ |
| 02:11.52 | z36ra | sudo /respa/WHAT! |
| 02:12.54 | ericP | i am clearly being mocked (and don't resent that in the slightest), but is it in part because the s/foo/bar/ idiom is not used here? |
| 02:13.09 | z36ra | see? the guy/girl is doing what i said from the beginning, and prolly learning somthin to boot |
| 02:13.44 | karsten | ericP: I sue it all the time |
| 02:13.51 | karsten | ericP: s/sue/use |
| 02:14.00 | ericP | i smell a setup |
| 02:14.05 | karsten | :-) |
| 02:14.49 | anarcat | hard to google this |
| 02:14.52 | ericP | on the w3c irc channels i use a -4s/sue/use/ convention to indicate what line to change |
| 02:14.56 | z36ra | anybody got that dice game? |
| 02:15.04 | anarcat | my guess is that there is a library missing |
| 02:15.11 | karsten | z36ra: no dice |
| 02:15.12 | z36ra | /roll |
| 02:15.39 | anarcat | i installed libgl1-mesa-dri, no luck, although glxinfo is now a bit more verbose and signals an anomaly: |
| 02:15.46 | ericP | karsten, someone asked what a + index would mean and i had fun contriving a foward-applicable typo fixup |
| 02:15.51 | anarcat | ERROR! sizeof(I830DRIRec) does not match passed size from device driver |
| 02:15.51 | anarcat | libGL warning: 3D driver returned no fbconfigs. |
| 02:15.51 | anarcat | libGL error: InitDriver failed |
| 02:15.51 | anarcat | libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering |
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| 02:15.51 | webfreak | ericP: yes, s/foo/bar is used here |
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| 02:16.03 | anarcat | oups, sorry |
| 02:16.11 | z36ra | haw |
| 02:16.22 | webfreak | ericP: it's pretty universal |
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| 02:16.34 | SNIa | anyone here use Amanda? |
| 02:16.39 | ericP | anarcat, only got 4 lines out. the kicker is pretty impatient |
| 02:16.49 | webfreak | use #flood |
| 02:16.55 | anarcat | yeah, it was 4 lines :) |
| 02:17.00 | anarcat | sorry sorry :) |
| 02:17.06 | SNIa | looking for a way to backup, and then be able to choose a file or directory, a point in time, then be indicated what backup tapes, what order... etc. |
| 02:17.29 | ericP | how about batik? anyone here use the debian batik package (libbatik-java)? |
| 02:18.37 | ericP | no dice. off to the bus station |
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| 02:19.20 | karsten | SNIa: Um, that's getting personal. |
| 02:19.28 | anarcat | okay, found the problem |
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| 02:19.59 | karsten | SNIa: ... that said, amanda's among the more widely used backup solutions. |
| 02:21.04 | SNIa | yeah i'm figuring out a solution for a wide area of users and uses |
| 02:21.30 | SNIa | users some are political positions, yearly change... have to be able to recover if data is deleted, tampered, etc |
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| 02:21.56 | karsten | SNIa: Another alternative (don't laugh) would be to implement a revision-control backup system. Daily snapshots. Restore to any given date. |
| 02:22.08 | SNIa | thats what I was thinking |
| 02:22.16 | karsten | SNIa: ... and there are an umber of web-based svn, etc., frontends. |
| 02:22.28 | z36ra | rewrite rules were fun (still), php sounds cool, I wanna make a forum or comment section on my website. mysql license aint for me. postgresql sounds cool. still wanna add e-mail and stuff but e-commerce and user interface for forum and etc. where should a newbie start? |
| 02:23.06 | buu | z36ra: By learning a programming language? |
| 02:23.26 | z36ra | <- looking for a site |
| 02:23.34 | buu | A site for what? |
| 02:23.39 | buu | z36ra: learn.perl.org |
| 02:23.39 | SNIa | not sure how to have some sort of file system monitoring then injection into svn, cvs, etc. |
| 02:23.39 | z36ra | ^ |
| 02:23.43 | karsten | z36ra: There are a number of shopping-cart systems. I'd strongly recommend you start there. |
| 02:23.51 | karsten | SNIa: A nightly commit |
| 02:24.02 | SNIa | hrm |
| 02:24.18 | karsten | SNIa: Schedule the task, would run on the client, should give you very good cross-platform capability. |
| 02:24.19 | SNIa | have the xp workstations have all data on the server |
| 02:24.31 | SNIa | an interesting idea |
| 02:24.36 | karsten | SNIa: The real trick with stuff like this is figuring out what your exclude rules are. |
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| 02:24.46 | karsten | OK, so your commit is server based, simpler issue. |
| 02:25.01 | z36ra | ok lets make it simple. I wanna add e-mail so that users can register on my website and use webmail. |
| 02:25.11 | buu | z36ra: squirellmail ? |
| 02:25.42 | karsten | SNIa: Eg: browser cache files, media files (music, etc.), various personal bits, anything grossly huge, disk images, etc. |
| 02:25.44 | z36ra | buu, but how can I make it possible for users to register on my site? |
| 02:25.53 | z36ra | web interface |
| 02:25.59 | buu | z36ra: By installing a webinterface that does this? |
| 02:26.06 | karsten | z36ra: if you're doing any sort if isp-esque service, take a look at (3rd party) ispconfig, possible interest. |
| 02:26.28 | karsten | z36ra: look at the fskcing package. squirrelmail *is* web-based mail. |
| 02:26.36 | webfreak | i smell a troll |
| 02:26.50 | webfreak | :/ |
| 02:26.50 | karsten | webfreak: Smells more like under-done idjeet to me. |
| 02:26.59 | z36ra | yeah, I use squirrelmail for current users. |
| 02:27.20 | karsten | webfreak: Smells like a very vaguely specified, revenue-losing system to me. |
| 02:27.22 | anarcat | yay! viva collaboration, bug fixed! |
| 02:27.27 | webfreak | karsten: yeah. |
| 02:27.34 | z36ra | I'm lacking knowledge in SQL |
| 02:27.44 | karsten | z36ra: Only? |
| 02:27.55 | z36ra | and other things... haha |
| 02:28.38 | karsten | z36ra: Suggestion: do your brainstorming elsewhere. Bring specific, researched, questions to this channel. If they're appropriate here. Hint, it's #debian, not #web-profit-schemes-like-its-1999 |
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| 02:29.06 | z36ra | karsten, tanks |
| 02:29.15 | karsten | z36ra: ... for the mammeries. |
| 02:29.22 | webfreak | tanks destroy things |
| 02:29.50 | z36ra | karsten, youre jumping to conclusions |
| 02:29.58 | karsten | z36ra: I need the excercise. |
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| 02:31.58 | z36ra | sorry bout that |
| 02:33.37 | karsten | z36ra: If you could articulate a well-defined need, you might get a better reception. I'm seeing a lot of "wouldn't it be cool if..." questions treating this as a business development sounding board. Not really the core goal of this list. Lack of initiative on your part showing as well. As I said: do your homework. |
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| 02:38.00 | z36ra | karsten, pardon me, I didn't mean to piss you off. |
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| 02:38.46 | Refried_ | I've got 3 nics in my router, and sometimes on reboot, they change device names, which makes my /etc/network/interfaces settings apply incorrectly. is there a nice debian way to fix this, lock them down to particular device names? |
| 02:38.54 | nvz | bah! fucking fords I had planned on driving that piece of shit to work right now but the battery is dead |
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| 02:39.57 | karsten | z36ra: Not pissed, just letting you know the subtextual message presented. |
| 02:40.12 | karsten | nvz: feature! |
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| 02:40.29 | karsten | Refried_: Updated kernel? Module load order + PCI slot is how NICs are assigned. |
| 02:41.13 | karsten | Refried_: One alternative might be to use DHCP assignment. Another to poll for the NIC MAC and make assignments based on same. |
| 02:41.25 | karsten | nvz: You can walk a mile in 20 minutes. |
| 02:41.28 | Refried_ | karsten: haven't updated kernel -- that's what i thought, a non-changing order alphabetical, inode order, irq, pci slot, whatever |
| 02:41.35 | Refried_ | karsten: wouldn't have previously thought this was possible |
| 02:41.35 | z36ra | karsten, im willing to look elsewhere for a more defined answer to my not-so-well-defined question. I simply need some guiding and a not-so-defined answer. |
| 02:41.44 | nvz | karsten: 19 minutes... :p |
| 02:41.53 | nvz | I am not fully ready yet :P |
| 02:42.04 | karsten | z36ra: intelligent questions beget intelligent answers. Precise questions beget precise answers. |
| 02:42.15 | karsten | nvz: Heh. Call your date. |
| 02:42.16 | Refried_ | karsten: suppose i just wanted to assign arbitrary names to a couple of nics, is that possible, by mac address or something somewhere? |
| 02:42.17 | z36ra | karsten, im not here to argue |
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| 02:42.27 | nvz | karsten: my date? o.O |
| 02:42.34 | Refried_ | karsten: oh didn't see your last msg. |
| 02:42.34 | karsten | nvz: er, work. |
| 02:42.48 | karsten | z36ra: I'm not arguing ;-) |
| 02:43.00 | nvz | na I;ll call em after I leave and got an idea of how late I am going to be |
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| 02:44.12 | karsten | Refried_: DHCP would likely be the more straightforward / typical solution. |
| 02:44.17 | z36ra | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:44.24 | karsten | Refried_: Having assigned IPs on the DHCP server per mack. |
| 02:44.35 | karsten | z36ra: At the beginning. |
| 02:45.09 | karsten | z36ra: Either work with something that's already built, or build your own. There's a fscking ton of existing solutions in that space. Some better than others. |
| 02:45.09 | z36ra | I wanna make a forum or comment section on my website. |
| 02:45.32 | z36ra | karsten, you are blocking me |
| 02:45.33 | dansushi | how do i install a scanner on debian? |
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| 02:45.50 | karsten | z36ra: I am? |
| 02:46.06 | z36ra | yes |
| 02:46.11 | karsten | dansushi: hardware scanner (eg: page scanner)? |
| 02:46.16 | karsten | dansushi: ... or network scanner? |
| 02:46.25 | dansushi | hardware |
| 02:46.28 | karsten | z36ra: You are grossly misinformed. |
| 02:46.36 | z36ra | ok |
| 02:46.41 | karsten | !scanner |
| 02:46.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, scanner is a device used to copy an image from a physical source (e.g., photograph) into a computer. Also, ask me about sane, or see http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html for supported evices |
| 02:46.44 | z36ra | now stop talking to me |
| 02:46.56 | dansushi | dpkg, shaddup |
| 02:46.56 | dpkg | fine, be that way! |
| 02:46.59 | dansushi | lol |
| 02:47.00 | karsten | z36ra: I'm telling you what your options are. Sort them out. First question: build or buy |
| 02:47.14 | z36ra | now stop talking to me |
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| 02:47.28 | dansushi | hmm.. |
| 02:47.42 | dansushi | dpkg, how do i install a scanner? |
| 02:47.54 | dansushi | o well |
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| 02:48.27 | karsten | Refried_: Possible interest: http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:Jnzx9qgyuu4J:linux.dell.com/files/whitepapers/nic-enum-whitepaper.pdf+linux+assign+%22network+card%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4&ie=UTF-8 |
| 02:48.34 | karsten | dansushi: Plug it in. |
| 02:48.47 | karsten | dansushi: ... then get the appropriate sane suport |
| 02:48.51 | dansushi | karsten, i looked in control center, but al they have there is digital camera (under peripherals) |
| 02:49.05 | dansushi | karsten, it's already plugged in |
| 02:49.28 | karsten | dansushi: /msg dpkg sane |
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| 02:49.53 | zinx | dansushi: you install sane, and possibly some frontends for it |
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| 02:50.14 | zinx | dansushi: you can check sane-project.org to see if it's supported -- some aren't. |
| 02:50.39 | dansushi | ok |
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| 02:51.02 | karsten | dansushi: Hint: not everyone here knows every answer to every question. Some of us have an idea which direction to push you off in. |
| 02:51.21 | hj | i download grub_for_dos and debian-31r2-i386-netinst in C:, after boot, why it says can not find the *.iso? |
| 02:51.43 | karsten | dansushi: So take the hints and do some legwork. 'aptitude install sane xsane' may get you most of the way there. Read the package docs (/usr/share/doc/<packagename>/ |
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| 02:52.06 | karsten | hj: What's grub-for-dos, where'd you get it, and did you read the docs? |
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| 02:52.38 | hj | i down it from a ftp and follow the docs to install it |
| 02:52.46 | karsten | Refried_: ethtool will give you some interesting network info BTW> |
| 02:53.13 | karsten | Refried_: Deb package of same name |
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| 02:53.47 | karsten | hj: Wow! FTP knows exactly where to get it from without an URL? That's *amazing*! |
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| 02:54.09 | hj | oh, i am a beginner |
| 02:54.34 | enouf | hj: what did you do - tackle it ? wtf ..you 'down' it? |
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| 02:55.06 | karsten | enouf: he's in china, suspect limited english. |
| 02:55.33 | hj | my english is not very good |
| 02:55.39 | enouf | karsten: ahhh ... ok |
| 02:55.57 | karsten | hj: "downloaded", not "down", for your information. |
| 02:56.12 | hj | thank you |
| 02:56.16 | karsten | hj: http://freshmeat.net/projects/grub4dos/ was your source? Or http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Boot/GRUB-for-DOS-3507.shtml |
| 02:56.30 | hj | yes. |
| 02:57.07 | karsten | hj: If you can copy *exactly* the boot messages as best you can and paste them online, it will help. |
| 02:57.10 | enouf | karsten: please tell me you've taken some breaks today - I've been all the way out to the beach and back and have slept already too (~5-6hrs) |
| 02:57.13 | karsten | !tell hj about paster |
| 02:57.21 | karsten | hj: The site dpkg (a bot) just told you about. |
| 02:57.29 | karsten | enouf: Slept for a bit. |
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| 02:57.40 | karsten | hj: Also your grub configuration file |
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| 02:59.26 | karsten | hj: And what are you attempting to do, bigger picture? |
| 02:59.27 | hj | kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz root = /dev/ram ramdisk_size=10000 devfx=mount,dall |
| 02:59.48 | karsten | hj: Is your kernel on your first fixed device, first partition? |
| 02:59.59 | karsten | hj: ... or is it on the cdrom? |
| 03:00.02 | hj | i want to know what a beginner should know |
| 03:00.10 | hj | yes |
| 03:00.18 | hj | i install xp in the c |
| 03:00.36 | hj | no, i downloaded a iso file |
| 03:00.37 | karsten | hj: Are you attempting to install Debian? |
| 03:00.41 | hj | yes |
| 03:01.01 | karsten | hj: Do you want to replace XP or have a dual boot (both XP & Debian) system? |
| 03:01.47 | karsten | hj: ... and what isyour computer? Intel PC? |
| 03:02.07 | hj | the latter |
| 03:02.13 | hj | i have a ia32 |
| 03:02.16 | karsten | OK. |
| 03:02.37 | karsten | hj: Any reason you are not following the Debian Installation Manual instructions? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.zh_CN |
| 03:02.57 | hj | thank u |
| 03:02.57 | karsten | hj: That's the chinese translation. I'd strongly recommend you follow its guidance rather than use third-party solutions. |
| 03:03.10 | karsten | hj: If you can't boot from a CD directly there are other ways around this. |
| 03:03.39 | hj | for i have not a cd writer and cant boot from cd |
| 03:03.48 | karsten | OK. |
| 03:03.58 | hj | so i want to install it from the hard disk |
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| 03:04.16 | hj | and install the others from net |
| 03:04.42 | karsten | hj: What is the CD that you currently have? The one you are trying to boot? |
| 03:05.29 | hj | yes |
| 03:05.41 | hj | debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:05.46 | karsten | OK. |
| 03:06.20 | hj | should i rewrite the menu.lst? |
| 03:06.58 | karsten | hj: See section 5.1.4 of the installation manual. |
| 03:07.53 | karsten | hj: Download this image and create a floppy with it: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/boot.img |
| 03:08.47 | hj | ok, |
| 03:10.11 | karsten | You need a program to create that image, hunting for it. |
| 03:10.49 | karsten | hj: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/tools/rwwrtwin.zip |
| 03:11.13 | karsten | hj: Use rwwrtwin to create the floppy. Boot the floppy, use it to boot the netinst disk. |
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| 03:12.47 | hj | you say i cant just boot it from the hard disk? |
| 03:13.04 | karsten | hj: You'll also need: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/root.img |
| 03:13.14 | karsten | hj: Another floppy image. That's the second one to start. |
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| 03:13.51 | hj | ok, if i have a usb device and what should i do ? |
| 03:14.07 | karsten | I think that that is also supported. |
| 03:14.12 | karsten | not sure. Try it. |
| 03:14.20 | hj | ok, |
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| 03:15.19 | hj | i'll have a try and see u later |
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| 03:20.17 | karsten | Heh. |
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| 03:20.24 | karsten | It's working. And there's no local storage. |
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| 03:26.12 | nvz | oh well no worries I didnt have to go, Andy suspended me :P |
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| 03:27.01 | nvz | he's funny I thought I had him figured out as a puss, but he's really a bitch.. he can do it he just cant do it to my face :) |
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| 03:29.14 | vicmic | i need help connecting to the internet my boc with debian |
| 03:29.45 | karsten | nvz: ?? |
| 03:29.45 | nvz | eh? |
| 03:29.57 | karsten | nvz: Made redundant? |
| 03:30.15 | karsten | simonrvn: ?? |
| 03:30.56 | simonrvn | fs got all FUBAR, and there's bugs in the xfs kernel code, so I reinstalled... running ubuntu edgy on this thing ATM. |
| 03:31.13 | karsten | Ouch. |
| 03:31.18 | nvz | karsten: the store manager suspended me for putting things in perspective for him last night. he for whatever reason was manager overnight last night. and I called off to show him how it is at all the stores I am at every night and why the shit he bitches about is never done. because our store is the only one out of the 3 that everything is overnight's fault because they think we got all the time in the world |
| 03:31.18 | karsten | nvz: suspended == you're looking for work now? |
| 03:31.24 | simonrvn | edgy is their current dev version (like sid) |
| 03:31.41 | nvz | karsten: no I am suspended for 3 days and I already setup work two days ago to go do roofing tomorrow |
| 03:31.43 | karsten | nvz: What sort of store? |
| 03:31.46 | karsten | Ah. |
| 03:31.57 | vicmic | help me to get into internet |
| 03:31.58 | nvz | karsten: he's not smart enough to be ahead of me.. he doesnt wake up early enough in the morning |
| 03:32.06 | nvz | karsten: I was well trained I always cover my ass |
| 03:32.21 | nvz | karsten: bills are all paid months in advance and I got other means of income |
| 03:32.25 | simonrvn | !tell vicmic about ask |
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| 03:32.55 | vicmic | how do i can get my box have internet |
| 03:33.23 | vicmic | how to connecto to internet trough ethernet |
| 03:33.24 | simonrvn | read what the bot told you first, please. it'll help us help you |
| 03:33.28 | nvz | karsten: oh I didnt have a car so I had to apply to everything in the area and sheetz, mcdonalds and target called me back but Mc'D got to me first so thats where I've been for a few months now |
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| 03:33.54 | nvz | karsten: I was wanting to get on at best buy maybe geek squad but they never called me |
| 03:34.45 | nvz | karsten: I am likely moving back home soon and I am not interested in taking this great job oppertunity with me.. I am still registered with at least 3 temp agencies in PGH I can call them and have them find me a job before I even get there |
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| 03:35.22 | smacnay_ | is there a way to view the list of files last updated with apt-get? |
| 03:35.37 | smacnay_ | I think a kernel-headers update screwed my samba. |
| 03:35.51 | smacnay_ | Or maybe there is a bug in samba. |
| 03:35.53 | simonrvn | no. with aptitude yes. with dpkg yes |
| 03:35.56 | nvz | smacnay_: not off hand.. though I notice synaptic keeps track of that.. it puts stars by new packages |
| 03:36.06 | nvz | simonrvn: and apperently aptitude too ;) |
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| 03:37.10 | blizzow | I'm trying to install a pcHDtv card into my debian system and damn if the nvidia drivers shit the bed when I try to reboot the machine. Everytime I reboot the machine, I have to re-run the nvidia installer and then I can start my X server. Does anyone have an idea how to fix this? I'm using kernel 2.6.17-2 |
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| 03:37.26 | karsten | nvz: Gotchya. |
| 03:37.26 | hyphenex | Hey Gang... Can someone host a matchmaking server for a new project I'm creating??? Does anybody know if Freenode hosts servers? |
| 03:38.01 | nvz | karsten: if I would have taken my cert exam years ago I might have had a better chance at geek squad |
| 03:38.05 | karsten | hyphenex: http://www.google.com/search?q=webhosting |
| 03:38.09 | Piet | hyphenex: are you looking for a free hosting or one where you get paid? |
| 03:38.12 | simonrvn | hyphenex, no they don't host servers |
| 03:38.25 | karsten | nvz: You're *grossly* overqualified for geek squad. |
| 03:38.33 | nvz | karsten: *nods* |
| 03:38.37 | smacnay_ | Would a kernel-headers update wreck samba? |
| 03:38.45 | karsten | nvz: /msg? |
| 03:38.51 | nvz | karsten: I find its better to play stupid at least for awhile. people dont like gemiuses |
| 03:38.54 | hyphenex | I'm looking for someone willing to host a matchmaking server for a game I'm writing |
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| 03:39.07 | hyphenex | the project is going to be uploaded to freenode with all source code |
| 03:39.11 | nvz | karsten: sure I've got nothing to do until morning cant roof in the dark |
| 03:39.22 | hyphenex | but I still don't have the money to buy a server, and all the web servers I've got doesn't host servers |
| 03:39.24 | hyphenex | only webh pages |
| 03:39.26 | nvz | well I suppose you could. .but the neighbors would be mad :P |
| 03:40.37 | hyphenex | can someone here host it for me if their puter has a lot of uptime? |
| 03:41.06 | buu | hyphenex: What is the game? |
| 03:41.36 | hyphenex | buu, Have you ever heard of HeroQuest? |
| 03:41.39 | hyphenex | IT's a board game |
| 03:41.47 | buu | Yeah. |
| 03:41.55 | hyphenex | Well, IT's an online version of that |
| 03:42.10 | hyphenex | I'm writing a computer version of that |
| 03:42.13 | hyphenex | so you can play each other over the net |
| 03:42.21 | Guerin | why? |
| 03:42.26 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 03:42.28 | Guerin | heroquest was naff |
| 03:42.34 | hyphenex | Because my brother is sick of playing me :P |
| 03:42.41 | Guerin | any game where 'elf' is a class is just too 1970s for me |
| 03:42.41 | hyphenex | naff being good? |
| 03:42.57 | Guerin | no |
| 03:42.57 | yoo | my /etc/init.d/inetd file script disappears ! |
| 03:43.01 | hyphenex | but still, does anyone want to host the matchmaking server for me? |
| 03:43.07 | Guerin | naff being passe, banal, a bit past it |
| 03:43.10 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.18 | Guerin | like brown suits or orange vinyl furniture |
| 03:43.44 | yoo | i can't look inetd file in /etc/init.d/ |
| 03:43.55 | yoo | apt-get --reinstall install openbsd-inetd |
| 03:43.58 | yoo | same problem |
| 03:44.05 | yoo | Somebody can help me ? |
| 03:44.07 | buu | hyphenex: Write it first, I'm sure you'll find someone then. |
| 03:44.16 | hyphenex | buu, It's mostly written |
| 03:44.23 | buu | hyphenex: The server or the game? |
| 03:44.25 | buu | Or both |
| 03:44.33 | hyphenex | buu, Both really |
| 03:44.40 | hyphenex | buu, IT's still under development though |
| 03:44.49 | buu | Wow, so this was that game |
| 03:44.50 | hyphenex | buu, I need to get Spells working, Items working, and better AI |
| 03:45.25 | buu | hyphenex: Good luck. |
| 03:45.45 | hyphenex | buu, Thanks, I shaln't need it though, I just need luck finding a server so I can start some heavy testing over the net |
| 03:45.55 | DocOC | hyphenex: my friends and I play heroquest sometimes (mostly use the figures for role-playing mini's tho), if you made a computer version I would definitely play it. |
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| 03:46.23 | hyphenex | DocOC, Sweet, Join my site at http://hyphenex.ugtech.net/ and then I'll keep you posted on developments |
| 03:47.56 | hyphenex | DocOC, The site needs to be greatly updated though, And I havn't got a Linux version of the game client out yet |
| 03:48.08 | hyphenex | I'm going to start re-writing it in C# & Mono soon |
| 03:49.00 | DocOC | hyphenex: what is it written in now? |
| 03:49.19 | hyphenex | VB.NET (that's the client) |
| 03:49.38 | hyphenex | the matcmaking server & game server is written in Python using the twisted framework |
| 03:50.02 | DocOC | ahh, yeah that definitely needs a rewrite to be usable in anything but windows |
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| 03:50.32 | hyphenex | YEah, ALthough, a lot of my VB.NET programs are running fine under the newest Mono for some reason?? |
| 03:51.19 | DocOC | really? didn't realize that mono implimented a vb interpretor. |
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| 03:52.07 | Capso | "macro `gl_FUNC_ARGZ' required but undefined" -- Any ideas which package I need to install for this to work? |
| 03:52.22 | hyphenex | Well, I can't compile under Mono, but I can run the exe under mono |
| 03:53.24 | DocOC | vb is compiled? (forgive me, I have been divorced from the M$ world for a decade) |
| 03:54.03 | hyphenex | Well, it was interpreted in the days of VB 6 |
| 03:54.06 | hyphenex | but it's compiled in .NEt |
| 03:54.15 | hyphenex | oahh, who wants to see screenshots? |
| 03:56.35 | hyphenex | http://picasaweb.google.com/king.scott.2 |
| 03:56.39 | hyphenex | Under Screenshots :P |
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| 03:59.11 | DocOC | hyphenex: isn't heroquest played on hexagonal tiles? |
| 03:59.23 | buu | Er, no |
| 03:59.23 | hyphenex | Nope |
| 03:59.28 | Guerin | don't think so |
| 03:59.36 | Guerin | istr it being squares |
| 03:59.37 | hyphenex | Well, I've got to switch computers, Thanks. Be back in a minute |
| 03:59.50 | buu | Argh, picasa-- |
| 03:59.52 | DocOC | hmm, must have it confused with a different game. |
| 03:59.54 | Guerin | stupid d&d3e based on squares, too |
| 04:00.06 | buu | Guerin: What? |
| 04:00.29 | Guerin | buu: what what? |
| 04:01.24 | DocOC | ahh, yes, I'm thinking of heroscape |
| 04:01.57 | buu | Guerin: What was the d&d3e comment related to? |
| 04:02.05 | buu | Ack, I'm supporting python development =[ |
| 04:02.23 | buu | And vb apparently |
| 04:02.28 | buu | I feel so dirty. |
| 04:02.31 | DocOC | at least you aren't supporting java development. |
| 04:03.04 | buu | I guess |
| 04:03.14 | buu | java > vb |
| 04:03.14 | Guerin | buu: square tiles instead of something sane, like hex, or no damn tiles at all |
| 04:04.23 | DocOC | if that > refers to system resources, then java > everything |
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| 04:10.20 | buu | Guerin: Why are hex saner? |
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| 04:12.59 | Guerin | buu: measure the distance from the centre of a square to the centre of each of the surrounding squares, then repeat for hexes |
| 04:13.06 | Guerin | then you will understand |
| 04:15.18 | DocOC | Guerin: yeah, one of the many reasons why GURPS is the ultimate in role-playing. |
| 04:15.59 | DocOC | why has no one licensed GURPS for computer rpg's yet? |
| 04:16.04 | buu | Guerin: You mean it takes longer to get to the center of the corner squares? |
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| 04:22.04 | Guerin | DocOC: gurps is inflexible. It tries to be too much and too simple. FUDGE approaches something I could use. |
| 04:22.19 | Guerin | buu: time isn't the issue, distance is. |
| 04:22.34 | Guerin | DocOC: i agree, though, that gurps has some sane foundations |
| 04:22.59 | buu | Guerin: I meant 'longer distance' |
| 04:23.16 | Guerin | buu: that's the issue, in a nutshell |
| 04:23.22 | buu | Heh |
| 04:24.16 | DocOC | unfortunately, I can't get my group to try anything but dnd 3.5 |
| 04:24.23 | Guerin | :( |
| 04:24.31 | Guerin | i hate powergamers |
| 04:24.41 | Guerin | i don't even own any 3e books |
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| 04:24.51 | Guerin | i just leech what I need off friends, and use the SRD |
| 04:25.06 | DocOC | well, the one nice thing about it is you don't need to own anything. |
| 04:25.47 | Guerin | because the players buy all the books? |
| 04:25.58 | dan2 | asg: you here? |
| 04:26.29 | DocOC | I have one friend who has figured out basically how to powergame every class. Yet no one will take my suggestion of playing gurps. |
| 04:27.34 | Guerin | DocOC: most DMs use the 'in until ruled out' principle. I use the opposite. |
| 04:28.32 | Guerin | by which i mean that unless I've given it the royal assent, no motherfucker gets to play one of those, have one of them, or cast that |
| 04:28.43 | FernandoMM | Could someone tell me a good mail archiver (to maildir, pop or imap)? |
| 04:28.53 | Guerin | FernandoMM: tar |
| 04:29.02 | dan2 | FernandoMM: what do you mean? |
| 04:29.13 | dan2 | FernandoMM: archivemail can deal with maildir and mbox iirc |
| 04:29.38 | dan2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.44 | FernandoMM | dan2: i have a mail account that receives e-mails from a discussion list. I want to create an archive to it |
| 04:29.56 | dan2 | FernandoMM: check out archivemail |
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| 04:32.01 | kupesoft | How can I get my system to beep? |
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| 04:32.34 | FernandoMM | dan2 is it able to export to .html ? |
| 04:32.46 | jcreigh | kupesoft: ummm....echo -e '\a' might be what you're looking for, but the question is a little vague |
| 04:32.54 | wireddd | I am trying to figure out how I can connect to the internet via a usb adapter connected to my cellphone and gprs, Is there a package I need to install? |
| 04:32.59 | dan2 | FernandoMM: after you get it to mbox, there's a whole bunch of indexing programs |
| 04:33.34 | dan2 | FernandoMM: look at mhonarc |
| 04:33.39 | Guerin | i'm still trying to figure out how to create a new imap dir and archive all messaqges before a certain date into it |
| 04:34.15 | Guerin | in mutt |
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| 04:34.51 | dan2 | Guerin: I used to know how to do that |
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| 04:35.11 | dan2 | I remember if you hit 'c' it takes you to a directory listing of your imap |
| 04:35.21 | dan2 | then you can hit 'C' to create a directory |
| 04:35.24 | dan2 | not sure if its caps or not |
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| 04:36.23 | dan2 | Guerin: keystrokes: c then ? |
| 04:36.31 | dan2 | should give you a list of your imap directory |
| 04:37.52 | dan2 | Guerin, it's capital C to create a directory once you get to that dialog |
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| 04:41.53 | kaitlyn | Hi, I'm getting the following error: "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting." when trying to use "X -screen TV" a configuration that lets me run a second X server to my TV. Notes: Running from inside X, and running on Ubuntu (I know, but they arn't answering this question.) |
| 04:42.02 | hyphenex | buu, Do you mind if I have to download about 10MB for Twisted & Zope.interfaces? |
| 04:42.08 | buu | No. |
| 04:42.35 | hyphenex | buu, Thanks |
| 04:44.47 | JJ|Laptop | can i get some suggestions for a shared or dedicated server host? |
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| 04:45.33 | gnaff | get the fastest, most reliable one for the cheapest price |
| 04:45.43 | gnaff | that ain't a bad suggestion, huh? |
| 04:47.49 | FernandoMM | dan2: do you know if it's possible to translate mhonarc? |
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| 04:51.46 | wireddd | hmm |
| 04:53.05 | tux | ? |
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| 04:56.35 | jetscreamer | /o\ |
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| 04:58.00 | tux | nobody? |
| 04:58.24 | jetscreamer | what |
| 04:58.47 | tux | nobody speaks at noon... |
| 04:59.24 | gnaff | i did, but i didn't get any answers, so i stopped |
| 05:02.48 | tux | dpkg is interesting ;) |
| 05:02.53 | JJ|Laptop | lol |
| 05:03.39 | tux | <dpkg> rumour has it, a is UK's best rock band :) |
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| 05:06.43 | Ruede | proxy.pac how to create that file for the browsers which whant to use the auto config script ? |
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| 05:13.05 | Dave|id | when doing an apt-cache search, how do i know if the package is from testing / stable / unstable |
| 05:13.15 | spez | does anyone know how to downgrade a package to a version that used to be in testing, but isn't anymore? (e.g. postgresql-8.1.4 to 8.1.3) |
| 05:13.24 | nvz | Dave|id: you arent mixing sources are you? |
| 05:13.40 | nvz | Dave|id: thats _bad_ and apt prefers the newest version unless you told it otherwise |
| 05:13.50 | Dave|id | nvz: i needed a version of software under testing |
| 05:14.10 | nvz | Dave|id: you _need_ to make sure you understand what you are doing |
| 05:14.20 | DocOC | Dave|id: did you set up /etc/apt/preferences to properly pin that package? |
| 05:14.40 | nvz | Dave|id: mixing sources in this sort of package system can cause serious breakage and in most cases upgrades essentiall your whole system if you dont pin |
| 05:15.02 | nvz | Dave|id: you may want to dpkg -l libc6 because you may already be running testing or unstable now |
| 05:15.07 | Dave|id | phonecall.. back soonish |
| 05:15.51 | DocOC | I'm going to pretend that he set up his preferences file properly, and not worry about it. |
| 05:16.45 | nvz | DocOC: I wouldnt extend my belief that far |
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| 05:17.41 | Dave|id | is a fresh install |
| 05:17.51 | Dave|id | wanted the cacti version from testing and not stable |
| 05:18.35 | nvz | yeah if you fetched that without pinning you arent running stable anymore |
| 05:18.50 | nvz | it has a huge list of dependencies which all have dependencies of their own |
| 05:19.06 | karsten | Dave|id: What nvz said. |
| 05:19.22 | nvz | you would likely break your whole system until you dist-upgraded completly |
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| 05:19.51 | Joric | hi |
| 05:20.00 | Dave|id | phone call again |
| 05:20.01 | Dave|id | ugh |
| 05:20.07 | Joric | what's the hell with ndiswrapper |
| 05:20.29 | Joric | i have to reconnect twice to get ping |
| 05:20.32 | nevyn | indeed ndiswrapper who thought that was a good idea? |
| 05:20.56 | Joric | i have trendnet-423 (mrv800c) |
| 05:21.07 | nvz | nevyn: heh. people who had unsupported hardware |
| 05:21.39 | nevyn | there are worse things.. binary only drivers for linux |
| 05:22.01 | Joric | i'll be happy to find one |
| 05:22.03 | nvz | yeah. well I dont see how a binary only driver for windows is better |
| 05:22.05 | Joric | for my wlan |
| 05:22.10 | Shadda | I hate fucking with wireless on linux |
| 05:22.11 | Shadda | ugh |
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| 05:22.16 | Shadda | pray you don't have broadcom |
| 05:22.49 | SubStack | pray you don't have an rtl8185 that likes to oops all over the place |
| 05:22.50 | Joric | well, it was zyxel =) i've replaced it to marvell one |
| 05:22.58 | SubStack | had to go into the source and change the irq assignment to get it working |
| 05:23.22 | Shadda | netgear isn't so bad, though. Generally only uses prism/orinoco drivers |
| 05:23.24 | Shadda | chipsets even |
| 05:23.26 | nvz | yeah all those rtl cards are a bit flaky.. at least a lot of work has been done on the 8139 series |
| 05:23.40 | Joric | what's better to use? 9x/me/2k/xp drivers? |
| 05:23.55 | Matt_O | what's the standard #include to get well-defined datatypes such as a 32-bit integer? (and is there a cross-platform standard that would work on windows too?) |
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| 05:24.03 | Joric | 2k seems to be unstable |
| 05:24.05 | SubStack | Joric, usually only the xp driver will work |
| 05:24.13 | Joric | mkay |
| 05:24.21 | Joric | i'm on 9x now =) |
| 05:24.45 | nvz | you need to include something special to get a 32bit integer? |
| 05:24.52 | SubStack | at least that was my experience with the r2500 |
| 05:25.04 | topa_ | damn why does firefox crash when I click on javascript widgets |
| 05:25.07 | Matt_O | I'm on 64-bit linux and I need to specify a 32-bit integer |
| 05:25.11 | topa_ | firefox is teh suck |
| 05:25.14 | nvz | topa_: heh. |
| 05:25.17 | Matt_O | unsigned int won't work anymore.. |
| 05:25.31 | nvz | topa_: observe your version and check the bts would be the first thing to do |
| 05:25.39 | nvz | topa_: also make sure you are not mixing sources |
| 05:25.46 | topa_ | nvz: the crashes are totally random |
| 05:25.58 | topa_ | nvz: mixing sources ? |
| 05:26.11 | nvz | topa_: so you cant generate the crash doing the same thing every time? |
| 05:26.13 | Joric | this damn wireless card spoils server uptime |
| 05:26.34 | Joric | i've pressed on reset 5 munites ago |
| 05:26.35 | nvz | topa_: yeah like using packages from different branches of debian.. this causes random problems |
| 05:26.42 | Joric | just to connect notebook |
| 05:26.50 | topa_ | nvz: this problem seems to exist on firefox 1.5.X everywhere |
| 05:27.12 | topa_ | nvz: using pure testing + debian-multimedia |
| 05:27.14 | SubStack | heh, this laptop has 2 weeks of uptime |
| 05:27.26 | SubStack | since I just hibernate it when I want to turn it off |
| 05:27.30 | nvz | topa_: I've not had any crashes yet.. but I just upgraded to the testing version recently |
| 05:27.52 | Joric | are there any replacement for ndiswrapper? |
| 05:27.58 | nvz | topa_: you cant isolate the problem to something that you know for sure will crash it every time? |
| 05:28.15 | nvz | topa_: like a link and proceedure I or someone else could generate the same effect? |
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| 05:28.50 | topa_ | nvz: nope, all I can say is this happens with JS widgets |
| 05:29.03 | nvz | I wasnt aware JS had widgets |
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| 05:29.08 | topa_ | nvz: one recurring problem is flicker's per-photo "Rotate" button |
| 05:29.35 | topa_ | nvz: not sure exactly what they are called, but those graphical widgets which have a JS callback |
| 05:29.54 | nvz | the widgets JS operates on are just normal DOM forms |
| 05:30.19 | topa_ | nvz: ok |
| 05:30.39 | topa_ | nvz: lemme try to reprocuce the flickr-rotate-button crash |
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| 05:31.08 | topa_ | nvz: yup |
| 05:31.10 | nvz | http://www.hi-beam.net/cgi-bin/flicker.pl but dont see any rotate button |
| 05:31.13 | topa_ | nvz: crashed |
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| 05:31.43 | wireddd | gprs is a bitch to get working |
| 05:32.14 | topa_ | nvz: http://flickr.com |
| 05:32.15 | triple5 | Hi I have a bad error: "The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server." is this a problem of apache? or of another server... |
| 05:32.39 | topa_ | guess I mis-spelt it earlier |
| 05:34.17 | nvz | topa_: I take it you'd have to login to see this "rotate" button? |
| 05:34.41 | fyrestrtr | can someone point me to a link that explains a proper way to compile a kernel on debian? |
| 05:34.53 | Joric | erm |
| 05:34.58 | Joric | i can |
| 05:35.08 | fyrestrtr | I have a debian based system (elive cd) and the kernel doesn't have the module for my network card. |
| 05:35.37 | triple5 | !tell fiyrestrstr about derivatives |
| 05:35.38 | nvz | fyrestrtr: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot kernel-package, you may also want a kernel-source package or fetch your own from kernel.org |
| 05:36.06 | Joric | make, make modules_install, make install |
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| 05:36.21 | Joric | mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-version version |
| 05:36.24 | nvz | fyrestrtr: something along the lines of make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot kernel_image would make your package (run as your user |
| 05:36.30 | nvz | Joric: stfu :P |
| 05:36.37 | fyrestrtr | nvz: ah, here in lies the problem. I can't connect to the net on it, because the kernel doesn't recognize the ethernet card. It *does* recognize the wireless, but I don't know how to associate it with my ap :( |
| 05:37.22 | nvz | fyrestrtr: *shrug* all the packages would be on the first debian cd. but you are not using debian so its hard for anyone here to advise you |
| 05:37.39 | fyrestrtr | I *am* using debian :) |
| 05:37.44 | tgsnoop | hey guys, i installed a gtk-perl package i converted from an RPM to a DEB file, and now i cant remove it or update/add any other packages |
| 05:37.49 | fyrestrtr | otherwise I wouldn't be in here. |
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| 05:38.03 | nvz | fyrestrtr: no, you're not. and I couldnt assure you any of our packages would work with your spinoff distro |
| 05:38.18 | fyrestrtr | its just debian with e. |
| 05:38.22 | fyrestrtr | its not a 'spinoff' distro. |
| 05:38.53 | fyrestrtr | well here is one for you then, the debian 3.2 install cd -- doesn't recognize my network card either. |
| 05:38.56 | nvz | if its not officially distributed by debian and complying with all policies and using official sources its not debian |
| 05:39.04 | wireddd | fyrestrtr, it is debian based |
| 05:39.05 | tgsnoop | converted using alien, i guess doesnt work, it says it cant find the source package even when i copied it into /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 05:39.32 | nvz | fyrestrtr: what is the card? |
| 05:39.34 | fyrestrtr | and I believe that's the latest debian version. |
| 05:39.51 | nvz | fyrestrtr: make/model, architecture.. onboard, pci..etc |
| 05:39.57 | EdLin | fyrestrtr: there's no such thing as 3.2 |
| 05:40.06 | fyrestrtr | Marvell Technology Group Lts. 88E8053 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev. 5) |
| 05:40.17 | nvz | ah I was just talking about that card earlier today |
| 05:40.24 | nvz | its a sky2 card |
| 05:40.24 | EdLin | the next version is going to be 4.0, and the current is 3.1 |
| 05:40.28 | fyrestrtr | EdLin: I meant 3.1 then, or whatever is the latest one :) |
| 05:40.41 | tgsnoop | how do i force remove a package that it cant find a source for because i installed it manually? |
| 05:40.43 | nvz | and no its not in the debian kernel at least the 2.4 one.. might be in 2.6 if anyone wants to check that for me. |
| 05:40.43 | fyrestrtr | nvz: yes, it is :( and that module is not on the install cd. |
| 05:40.50 | EdLin | fyrestrtr: don't try to fool people, you've admitted you're not running Debian |
| 05:41.03 | nvz | anyone using a debian 2.6 kernel want to check for the sky2 module quickly? |
| 05:41.26 | nvz | I have 2.6 on the other box but its one I rolled and definatly doesnt have sky2 |
| 05:41.31 | fyrestrtr | EdLin: look, all I know is, the it said 'enlightenment on debian' -- now sorry if that doesn't mean its not 'pure' debian. |
| 05:41.46 | Joric | you mean skystar2 driver? |
| 05:41.58 | nvz | Joric: should just be called sky2 CONFIG_SKY2 |
| 05:41.59 | sanmarcos | I suddennly lost all my manpages, any ideas on how to fix it? |
| 05:42.08 | nvz | Joric: for Yukon2 cards IIRC |
| 05:42.11 | fyrestrtr | nvz: the laptop also has a ipw2200 wireless network card, can I use that from the net install cd? |
| 05:42.21 | Joric | skystar2 is now called b2bc |
| 05:42.29 | nvz | fyrestrtr: I dont have the foggiest idea about wireless I dont believe in it |
| 05:42.31 | EdLin | fyrestrtr: most live CDs have substantial differences from Debian, regardless of what liniage they claim |
| 05:42.31 | Joric | dunno yukon2 |
| 05:43.01 | tgsnoop | fyrestrtr: nope, no wireless installs hasta be a ur internal regular ethernet |
| 05:43.14 | nvz | fyrestrtr: best we can do is offer general debian advice.. the way people modify the packages is beyond our scope of knowledge or caring |
| 05:43.15 | fyrestrtr | so now what? |
| 05:43.20 | EdLin | !ur |
| 05:43.21 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 05:43.48 | nvz | fyrestrtr: I would think the onboard Gigabit controller would be easier to work with and you should go with debian so we dont have inconsistancies with helping you |
| 05:43.55 | enouf | modprobe ipw2000 |
| 05:43.55 | fyrestrtr | nvz: please tell me, how can I get debian installed on this laptop *with* ethernet support? |
| 05:44.11 | nvz | looks like I would have to pull 2.6 myself since I am getting no clear verification of the module existing or not |
| 05:44.19 | fyrestrtr | nvz: in the end, I want debian on here, just that elive was the only thing that would install :( |
| 05:44.39 | enouf | err ipw2200 |
| 05:44.41 | nvz | ah, I have a 2.6 debian kernel on the other box I am just not running it |
| 05:44.49 | nvz | so I can peek in /lib/modules/ |
| 05:44.58 | fyrestrtr | nvz: preferrably a method that doesn't involve downloading more iso images and burning them, I am running out of blanks. |
| 05:45.22 | tgsnoop | Does ANYbody know how to manually remove a package that apt-get/aptitude/dpkg cant find a file for? |
| 05:45.35 | sanmarcos | tgsnoop: --force |
| 05:46.13 | nvz | fyrestrtr: ok sky2 doesnt seem to be in the 2.6.8 kernel in debian either. what sort of ability do you have to compile a kernel? |
| 05:46.41 | fyrestrtr | ability? I have compiled it before many times in my wild gentoo days. |
| 05:46.46 | EdLin | fyrestrtr: you only need the first CD, or netinst, to install Debian |
| 05:46.59 | nvz | fyrestrtr: lets go with what debian cds you have, and what machines you have avilable and what they are running right now |
| 05:47.06 | fyrestrtr | EdLin: yes, I have the netinst, but unfortunately, it doesn't detect my ethernet, only my wireless. |
| 05:47.18 | nvz | fyrestrtr: is it a full netinstall with base or without base? |
| 05:47.22 | tgsnoop | sarmarcos: iv'e tried that it still does not work |
| 05:47.44 | fyrestrtr | nvz: I have my current machine (running another debian derivative, ubuntu) -- obviously, network works fine. I have three other linux machines that work fine, and then there is the problem child, the laptop. |
| 05:47.48 | nvz | fyrestrtr: the full netinstall doesnt require network until stage 2 you can fully install a debian base system without the network with it |
| 05:48.25 | fyrestrtr | nvz: how do I know that? Its not the 'business' cd image, its the other netinstall image. |
| 05:48.27 | nvz | fyrestrtr: well then can you just compile a kernel on the ubuntu system and transfer it to the debian base system and run a dpkg -i on it then reboot and continue with base-config and setup network? |
| 05:48.39 | sanmarcos | I suddennly lost all my manpages, any ideas on how to fix it?, I tried reinstalling purgin manpages, man-db and running mandb as root |
| 05:48.44 | fyrestrtr | nvz: I didn't know I could do that :) |
| 05:48.48 | nvz | fyrestrtr: yeah the larger one has base.. its between 100-200mb or so |
| 05:48.50 | tgsnoop | sarmarcos: it says that it's not installed but shows up on dpkg -l |
| 05:49.03 | fyrestrtr | nvz: so if I install the base system, I can then compile a new kernel from it? |
| 05:49.32 | nvz | fyrestrtr: you have no means of getting kernel source, build-essential, fakeroot, and kernel-package on a base system with no internet |
| 05:49.37 | sanmarcos | fuck!!! |
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| 05:49.55 | nvz | fyrestrtr: hence why I am suggesting doing it on ubuntu if you have means to get the resulting .deb package onto the debian machine to install |
| 05:50.02 | fyrestrtr | nvz: I cannot download them, and transfer them to the laptop? I have a 1GB flash disk at my disposal. |
| 05:50.20 | wireddd | sanmarcos, what did youdo? |
| 05:50.28 | nvz | fyrestrtr: seems easier to boot ubuntu and apt-get them then build the kernel and put the kernel-image.deb on the flash disk |
| 05:50.29 | fyrestrtr | nvz: oh wait, build-essential -- that's the same meta package as it is in ubuntu, right? |
| 05:50.37 | nvz | fyrestrtr: hell if I know |
| 05:50.52 | sanmarcos | wireddd: I fucked up |
| 05:50.56 | nvz | fyrestrtr: in debian it pulls in all the essential libs and compilers for building stuff |
| 05:51.05 | triple5 | what do I do with a apache2 response: (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:443 |
| 05:51.11 | wireddd | sounds like it |
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| 05:51.16 | triple5 | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 05:51.24 | triple5 | Unable to open logs |
| 05:51.25 | fyrestrtr | nvz: yeah, does the same thing on ubuntu; but anyway, so how should I begin? Install the base system on the laptop with the netinstall? |
| 05:51.38 | fyrestrtr | triple5: sounds like its already running. |
| 05:51.39 | sanmarcos | wireddd: and akll these 588 motherfuckers in here dont know what the fuck I am talkinga bout |
| 05:51.50 | nvz | fyrestrtr: you could even possibly change your ubuntu sources to debian and do a --download only on the packages then copy them to a debian base and install them manually |
| 05:51.53 | triple5 | I did a restart... |
| 05:51.59 | triple5 | so I have to kill it? |
| 05:52.13 | nvz | fyrestrtr: thats the idea.. |
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| 05:52.26 | fyrestrtr | nvz: okay, let me get the base install on the laptop first. |
| 05:53.05 | nvz | fyrestrtr: I'd recommend probably grabbing some recent 2.6 source from kernel.org and compiling with CONFIG_SKY2=m |
| 05:54.13 | triple5 | Oh I had apache started instead of apache2... |
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| 05:54.46 | nvz | man I am hungry and I never got any margerine or butter yet.. looks like its ramen noodles for me |
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| 05:55.07 | fyrestrtr | nvz: I'm installing the base system from the netinstall cd now. |
| 05:55.09 | nvz | gotta love the ability to eat so cheap but that stuff gets real old after awhile |
| 05:55.31 | Lilandra | mac n cheese |
| 05:55.32 | Joric | margerine rulez |
| 05:56.05 | Joric | sounds marginal |
| 05:56.25 | Lilandra | um |
| 05:56.26 | nvz | fyrestrtr: I would just after it boots from the HD to stage 2, switch to tty2 and login as root and dont do any of the base-config stuff it boots to.. you would just worry about dropping in your kernel replacement, rebooting, and getting network up, then you would login as root and run the base-config script again |
| 05:56.29 | Lilandra | chocolate |
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| 05:56.49 | fyrestrtr | nvz: okay let me get there. |
| 05:57.36 | nvz | Lilandra: yeah I got some mac and cheese but I am probably just gonna trow it away someone gave me this generic shit that I found bugs in last time.. you can goto the Aldi's and get cheap mac and cheese without the bugs but I dont have any right now |
| 05:57.37 | fyrestrtr | why does it load module floppy for linux floppy, when I don't have a floppy drive? |
| 05:57.41 | Lilandra | how do you rerun the base-config script? base-config <enter> |
| 05:57.56 | Lilandra | nvz: BUGS? yikes! |
| 05:58.12 | nvz | or wait.. I guess I do have two boxes of it.. I just dont have any butter/margerine.. if I did I would make some real food |
| 05:58.22 | Lilandra | does it load it or does it ask if u want to load it? fyrestrtr |
| 05:58.33 | nvz | I could probably make it with just a little milk might taste a little off though |
| 05:58.34 | fyrestrtr | no it loads it by itself. |
| 05:58.35 | Lilandra | well milk? no butter? |
| 05:58.35 | EdLin | !u |
| 05:58.35 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:58.50 | Lilandra | nvz: got milk? it would be ok mac n cheese |
| 05:59.11 | nvz | yeah I've used butter and water before :P |
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| 05:59.33 | nvz | but this time I got no butter. I scraped my margerine dishes out when I made grilled cheese the other day |
| 05:59.52 | nvz | I want to boil this chicken breast and make some veggies but I need butter or margerine for all that |
| 06:00.11 | fyrestrtr | I have a question (while my disk is being formatted). Why is it, debian isn't on as many certified linux lists for any of the major vendors? I mean, IBM gave the ok for db2 on ubuntu, surely debian is a lot stable than that?! |
| 06:00.25 | nvz | cant mix in my seasoning without the butter |
| 06:00.38 | dr_wut | what's the command to partition? |
| 06:00.40 | dr_wut | fdisk? |
| 06:00.57 | fyrestrtr | redhat, on the other hand, is on every freakin' list out there -- and its the reason we have three redhat servers :| and I freakin' hate rpm. |
| 06:01.00 | EdLin | dr_wut: you might like cfdisk better |
| 06:01.21 | Lilandra | that's very sad nvz |
| 06:01.32 | nvz | fyrestrtr: debian isnt really commercialized people who are into that kind of stuff want something more commercial that has monetary agendas, time release schedules, and certified techs |
| 06:01.56 | fyrestrtr | and debian is okay with that? |
| 06:02.02 | enouf | solid vegetable oil ...yum |
| 06:02.09 | nvz | fyrestrtr: I talked to my mentor who taught me about computers one day about getting into linux and his first reaction was to get RH certified.. and I had to laugh at him |
| 06:02.25 | nvz | yeah I got vegetable oil and shortening.. but I am not even gonna go there |
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| 06:02.41 | Lilandra | lol |
| 06:02.42 | nvz | not going to flavor my veggies right.. might work for the chicken though |
| 06:02.58 | fyrestrtr | same thing happened to me, only mine was not rh certified, a colleague told me, 'yeah, you should get that linux+ certification -- its not vendor specific' -- yeah, and its also not technical. Its like the A+ of the linux world. |
| 06:03.09 | nvz | I just need something to mix the garlic powder and paprica in with. |
| 06:03.11 | h0ax | can anyone recomend a version of linux for a newbie ? |
| 06:03.15 | Lilandra | what's LPI certification? |
| 06:03.22 | Lilandra | is it anything specific? |
| 06:03.41 | fyrestrtr | h0ax: any of the commerical distros, Fedora, SuSE, Ubuntu, etc. |
| 06:03.53 | EdLin | h0ax: Debian |
| 06:04.05 | h0ax | ive tried fedora and it killed my pc and suse is boring lol |
| 06:04.17 | h0ax | redhat ? |
| 06:04.20 | Lilandra | i could've solved my wait time by just downloading the first debian cd, no? *sigh* 1 hour to go |
| 06:04.38 | Lilandra | fedora is by redhat h0ax |
| 06:04.50 | h0ax | yes i know |
| 06:04.53 | Lilandra | fyrestrtr: what is CISSP? |
| 06:04.55 | Lilandra | oh sorry h0ax |
| 06:05.00 | nvz | fyrestrtr: debians priorities is designing a distribution of linux that is above all 100% free as outlined by the DFSG, widely usable on as many platforms as possible not just linux and x86, and keeping the whole process open to anyone. time relase and money isnt the driving force. A stable distribution of DFSG software that runs on anything is the goal |
| 06:05.01 | h0ax | but fedora blows lol |
| 06:05.05 | fyrestrtr | Certified Information Systems Security Professional = CISSP |
| 06:05.20 | h0ax | i was thinking gentoo anygood ? |
| 06:05.25 | Lilandra | thanks |
| 06:05.41 | fyrestrtr | h0ax: you'll spend some time compiling, but its a great learning experience. |
| 06:05.51 | nvz | fyrestrtr: so our release schedule is pretty much WIR (When Its Ready) its not based on a time schedule or revolving around the market quarters like a lot of other software |
| 06:05.55 | EdLin | h0ax: why not run Debian? |
| 06:06.15 | nvz | fyrestrtr: if any of these things changed I would probably not be using debian anymore |
| 06:06.17 | mike__kayaker | Etch rocks |
| 06:06.39 | fyrestrtr | nvz: yeah, I'm familiar with that philosophy of debian. That's why there was a picture of pigs flying on Linux User (I think, or some other Linux mag, I forgot the exact one) when Debian released their new version. |
| 06:06.39 | h0ax | yeah i had the cd lying around and i like the KDE is it the right word ? but it died half way through installing cos it was scratched and i couldnt be bothered downloading it |
| 06:07.01 | mike__kayaker | :) |
| 06:07.13 | Lilandra | half hour to go |
| 06:07.16 | EdLin | h0ax: that sounds like kubuntu or knoppix, not Debian |
| 06:07.19 | fyrestrtr | h0ax: KDE is not a distribution. |
| 06:07.45 | h0ax | im talking about gentoo |
| 06:07.50 | h0ax | i dont like debian |
| 06:07.58 | mike__kayaker | ooh |
| 06:08.00 | fyrestrtr | h0ax: pick up any linux magazine, most come with either a cd or dvd with a distro on it. Give it a try. Linux is linux. |
| 06:08.08 | h0ax | oooh does it ? |
| 06:08.10 | topa_ | nvz: yeah a login is required. one needs to have a login, upload a pic and then the rotate button would show up |
| 06:08.12 | mike__kayaker | Well said! |
| 06:08.15 | EdLin | h0ax: if you don't like Debian, then why are you asking your question on #debian? |
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| 06:08.26 | mike__kayaker | m |
| 06:08.27 | sanmarcos | I suddennly lost all my manpages, any ideas on how to fix it?, I tried reinstalling purgin manpages, man-db and running mandb as root |
| 06:08.29 | h0ax | cos no ones talking in there |
| 06:08.37 | Lilandra | lol |
| 06:08.42 | h0ax | do they sell this magazine in england ? |
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| 06:08.45 | EdLin | !they don't know |
| 06:08.46 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 06:08.46 | nvz | fyrestrtr: I consider letting time and money direct software to be evil, it leads to impeding nessicary developments just to drive up the bottom line. Only working on features that will benefit the top 10% of your target market. |
| 06:08.56 | anonobomber | how do I figure out what version of gcc a kernel is compiled with without having to boot that kernel? |
| 06:09.17 | sanmarcos | anonobomber: dmesg | head -n |
| 06:09.21 | sanmarcos | anonobomber: 1 |
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| 06:09.29 | anonobomber | sanmarcos: that would require booting that kernel |
| 06:09.33 | nvz | fyrestrtr: we have no target market. if your interested, dig in.. if not, your loss. thats pretty much the way I think and I am sure most of the debian community agrees |
| 06:09.36 | fyrestrtr | nvz: true, true. Although the other side is -- throwing money at a project never hurt it really. I mean, look at Novell and their backing of Linux, releasing XGL, etc. |
| 06:09.37 | DocOC | EdLin: your nick is giving me bad dos flashbacks. |
| 06:09.38 | sanmarcos | anonobomber: dont bother asking here |
| 06:10.26 | anonobomber | sanmarcos: thanks for electing yourself as a representative of everyone in this channel, I highly doubt they feel the same about it |
| 06:10.35 | EdLin | DocOC: EDLIN is the best piece of software Microsoft ever made, not a bug in sight! |
| 06:10.42 | nvz | fyrestrtr: yeah well this is where stallmans sticky copyleft comes into play.. redhat fixes a lot of things like kernel bugs that people are being paid to fix.. gentoo hackers are endlessly trying to overoptimize everything.. etc and everyone even people in debian can benefit from thier efforts. |
| 06:11.13 | nvz | fyrestrtr: you dont have to believe in their methods to benefit from their results |
| 06:11.19 | DocOC | EdLin: good for them, they successfully coded a simple line-editor. |
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| 06:11.39 | fyrestrtr | nvz: no, I like the philosophy of it, I was just curious because I would love to use debian on some of my servers and have it supported by my vendors. Slowly, the vendor whose collaboration/workgroup/email package I run on redhat is releasing community editions of their software, so people can compile them on any distro. Hopefully, they will start supporting this also. |
| 06:11.50 | sanmarcos | anonobomber: wait and see |
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| 06:12.02 | EdLin | DocOC: actually, ed(1) is better. I just carried over this nick from my BBS days |
| 06:12.08 | nvz | fyrestrtr: the difference of opinions and methods is what makes the whole FOSS system work. if people didnt think differently we'd all suffer. |
| 06:12.22 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:12.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:12.27 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 06:12.27 | dpkg | <tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building. |
| 06:12.36 | fyrestrtr | nvz: yeah, that's what I like about it. The code take precedence. If you work on something, no matter how you think, you release the code, everyone benefits. |
| 06:12.52 | nvz | fyrestrtr: big companies are just beginning to understand the lost art of sharing code.. they tend to lean toward the other larger companies they have something in common with. |
| 06:13.27 | karsten | nvz: Another interesting aspect of that SW industry history book I was mentioning elsewhere. |
| 06:13.43 | nvz | fyrestrtr: they see the benifits, but they still have the urge to steal our ideas and run off with them |
| 06:14.04 | fyrestrtr | wow 2.4.27 -- that's an ancient kernel :( |
| 06:14.19 | nvz | fyrestrtr: they think if they deal with companies who also have a bottom line they can get away with more for the right price |
| 06:14.59 | fyrestrtr | nvz: okay -- now I'm at Debian Configuration (after the initial boot). What should I do next? |
| 06:15.12 | nvz | fyrestrtr: that shit isnt going to fly here. debian isnt a group of users and developers that can be easily bought we have our priorities straigt. sure we need money, but we know what comes first |
| 06:15.20 | karsten | fyrestrtr: rtfm :-) |
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| 06:15.31 | nvz | fyrestrtr: switch to tty2 and login to prepare for installation of the new kernel |
| 06:15.50 | fyrestrtr | nvz: login? it hasn't asked me to set a root password yet. |
| 06:15.57 | nvz | fyrestrtr: and go over to the other system and get the compile going.. download some recent 2.6 source from kernel.org. 2.6.17 I have and it has the sky2 module |
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| 06:16.07 | nvz | fyrestrtr: there isnt one yet ;) |
| 06:16.10 | karsten | fyrestrtr: just do what he says |
| 06:16.13 | fyrestrtr | ah right |
| 06:16.24 | nvz | fyrestrtr: then just press enter and leave password blank |
| 06:16.54 | karsten | nvz: There's no password prompt, it's a shell, not a getty |
| 06:17.14 | fyrestrtr | mmm ... slight help here. |
| 06:17.15 | sanmarcos | anonobomber: see. I hoped you learned from the experience |
| 06:17.23 | fyrestrtr | I should download the snapshot, right? |
| 06:17.31 | fyrestrtr | 2.6.18-rc6-git3 ? |
| 06:18.13 | nvz | karsten: umm we are not on busy-box here anymore.. its stage two base-config booted from the hd already |
| 06:18.18 | nvz | karsten: its definaly a getty |
| 06:18.30 | karsten | nvz: ah, my bad |
| 06:18.51 | sanmarcos | getty gettysburg |
| 06:19.04 | nvz | fyrestrtr: I would goto http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/2.6/ and get whatever is new |
| 06:19.15 | nvz | fyrestrtr: you dont want just a patch. as you have nothing to patch |
| 06:19.45 | fyrestrtr | yeah I know, but now I can't find the kernel source itself. |
| 06:19.57 | fyrestrtr | I'm here : http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/snapshots/ |
| 06:20.28 | fyrestrtr | ah stupid me |
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| 06:20.40 | nvz | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.17.tar.gz |
| 06:20.54 | nvz | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.17.13.tar.gz |
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| 06:21.02 | liable | stupid car |
| 06:21.08 | hyphenex | Later alls |
| 06:21.12 | Kevin` | is 17.13 the current version? |
| 06:21.23 | fyrestrtr | ah there we go 49M that sounds more like it :) |
| 06:21.27 | nvz | something along those lines bz2 is smaller but I think its slower to uncompress and you would have to install bzip2 in most cases |
| 06:21.55 | psycodad | moin, after some updating/downgrading my kdm just listens on udp6:177 but no more on ipv4...how can I force kdm to use ipv4 ? |
| 06:22.03 | fyrestrtr | wow the kernel is getting fat, I remember when I used to download it before, it was only 32M |
| 06:22.19 | nvz | Kevin`: *shrug* its the newest thing I seen at a quick glance of ..pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ |
| 06:22.39 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Yep. A Debian stock kernel runs about 40 MB these days, mostly modules. |
| 06:22.52 | nvz | fyrestrtr: the bz2 is only 39mb |
| 06:23.30 | nvz | fyrestrtr: and keep in mind this is source and documentation. usually source, headers, binaries, and docs are all distributed seperate by distros |
| 06:23.30 | fyrestrtr | wow 10MB that's a lot of compression. |
| 06:23.44 | karsten | Kevin`: -rw-r--r-- 1 536 536 0 Jun 18 02:01 LATEST-IS-2.6.17.13 |
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| 06:24.00 | karsten | Kevin`: lftp www.kernel.org:/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6 |
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| 06:24.07 | nvz | fyrestrtr: and the binary usually wont include _all_ the code in the source tree |
| 06:24.07 | fyrestrtr | well if this thing starts to drag, I'll download the bz2 |
| 06:24.50 | nvz | fyrestrtr: bz2 is smaller, but takes longer to unpack because its a bit slower than gzip, and usually gzip is standard on most systems and bz2 is optional so you generally have to install it |
| 06:25.02 | obs | hi |
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| 06:25.11 | fyrestrtr | I'm sure I have it on this ubuntu box, it has everything else lol |
| 06:25.52 | nvz | fyrestrtr: and after you get that laptop squared you should consider maybe running etch on that workstation and support the cause. |
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| 06:26.09 | nvz | fyrestrtr: the more eyes on the prize the better our next release will be |
| 06:26.12 | fyrestrtr | etch on which? the ubuntu box? |
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| 06:26.17 | nvz | *nods* |
| 06:26.36 | fyrestrtr | sure I can do that, I'm already running the *highly* unstable 'edgy eft' on it. |
| 06:26.48 | obs | after install debian 3.1rr3 andreboot i get an error message "Failed to bring up lo" and ifconfig -a show eth1_temp |
| 06:27.03 | fyrestrtr | besides, on my other laptop I have the 'stable' dapper, but even that's starting to choke. They don't patch the kernel as often as I would like. |
| 06:27.11 | nvz | fyrestrtr: sarge is good, but I find new bugs in it that got overlooked all the time, and they will never be fixed because its frozen. only security issues get fixed.. so we gotta focus on etch to make sure it doesnt get release with so many freakin bugs |
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| 06:27.55 | fyrestrtr | I *think* edgy eft is the ubuntu way of saying 'we are basing this off of etch' but I don't want to get hosed by saying what I did about elive lol |
| 06:28.29 | nvz | finding that apt-cdrom still refers to /cdrom and requires like a 6 line config patch in sarge to switch it to the /media/cdrom (since sarge adopted FHS) pisses me off cause newbies wanting to do cd install can be confused by this |
| 06:28.50 | fyrestrtr | good thing /home is on another partition and the rest is nfs mounted. Can afford to do a system swap. |
| 06:28.57 | nvz | of course a 1 line fstab patch could fix it too :P |
| 06:28.57 | Lilandra | man this is installing kde isn't it :( |
| 06:29.17 | obs | how i can fixate the problem about "lo" interface? is an udev issue? |
| 06:29.18 | fyrestrtr | Lilandra: gnome ftw :) |
| 06:29.57 | fyrestrtr | lol @ topic THIS IS NOT #ubuntu |
| 06:30.00 | nvz | obs: you could help out by posting a pastebin url of your /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 06:30.26 | fyrestrtr | why would anyone come here for ubuntu help? #ubuntu is crawling with people. |
| 06:30.36 | Lilandra | errrr |
| 06:30.51 | obs | nvz i comment it .... just leave the lo iface |
| 06:31.04 | sep | fyrestrtr, that's a incredibly good question we don't know the answer too |
| 06:31.09 | nvz | fyrestrtr: its hard to support other debian spinoffs theres no telling what they've changed, added, or violated policy wise. and its frustrating when debian proceedures we are used to dont work and we cant just easily verify things using our standard proceedures on our own boxes |
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| 06:31.29 | fyrestrtr | nvz: if the arch is the same, I can take *any* linux distribution and compile a kernel, and it will work on another distribution, right? |
| 06:31.42 | Lilandra | i'm told that i'm lucky when i get a helpful answer out of #ubuntu |
| 06:31.56 | nvz | fyrestrtr: sure I dont see any reason compiling this kernel on ubuntu should make a difference.. it should run on debian just the same |
| 06:32.03 | liable | Lilandra: eh? |
| 06:32.03 | Lilandra | that it's crawling with so many people that it kinda goes ... crazy |
| 06:32.08 | fyrestrtr | Lilandra: that's a myth. I'm plenty helpful in ubuntu. Just like anywhere else, be courteous and you'll get helped. |
| 06:32.10 | Lilandra | hey i didn't say that |
| 06:32.17 | Lilandra | i get help |
| 06:32.24 | Lilandra | i ask them abt my ubuntu when i'm using it |
| 06:32.37 | Lilandra | i've just been *told* that |
| 06:32.56 | Lilandra | just nobody could figure out why my kernel panics...*sigh* |
| 06:33.08 | Lilandra | 15 more minutes |
| 06:33.14 | nvz | #knoppix is pretty dead I chaced down the user that asked about that ethernet card you have earlier in there.. he got kicked by debhelper for flooding in here and never came back |
| 06:33.26 | fyrestrtr | mmm, I'm willing to bet the person that old you that, isn't going to get help anywhere else -- especially if they come in with 'ubuntu sucks! why can't I get this freakin s***t to work?! This f***'n ....' |
| 06:33.34 | Lilandra | #knoppix is dead |
| 06:33.48 | Lilandra | well actually no, that person is pretty helpful |
| 06:34.01 | fyrestrtr | ah, well I see plenty of that on freenode in general. |
| 06:34.14 | fyrestrtr | but most of the time, its just people new to linux trying to figure out how to do stuff. |
| 06:34.18 | Lilandra | yeah :) |
| 06:34.38 | Lilandra | i should've selected the packages i wanted installed myself..*sigh* |
| 06:35.00 | nvz | it takes a lot of patience on both sides to get new users used to standard protocol on these kinds of servers |
| 06:35.13 | fyrestrtr | and most of the time, people do offer genuine help. I've seen it happen right infront of my screen -- 'so how do I get this fixed? somdork: 'sudo rm -rf /' clueless: 'okay' me: NOOOOO!!!!' |
| 06:35.26 | Lilandra | yes. these places are quite different from the irc channel i usually hangn out on |
| 06:35.42 | fyrestrtr | freenode actually made me like IRC again. |
| 06:35.45 | nvz | I havent been on anything but OFTC and Freenode in years |
| 06:35.54 | Lilandra | i think i can laugh at that because... |
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| 06:36.12 | Lilandra | i'm pretty much an IRC newbie (as in jsut over a year i think) |
| 06:36.24 | fyrestrtr | yeah, you are :) I've been on IRC since 1996. |
| 06:36.30 | Lilandra | :) |
| 06:36.30 | nvz | I think Yahoo cleaned up a bit.. but the only reason I ever bothered with that is because my uncle and some other people use it and dont really grok irc |
| 06:36.45 | Lilandra | well i would've had to have internet then, no? |
| 06:36.53 | liable | i just bought a cpu fan, and cannot for the life of me work out how the hell the brackets are supposed to work.. :/ |
| 06:36.53 | fyrestrtr | yahoo is has now turned to a spam/porn bot heaven. |
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| 06:37.14 | nvz | well last I checked they changed a number of things.. no more java chat, and no more teen rooms |
| 06:37.14 | Galactus | BEHOLD MORTALS!!! |
| 06:37.26 | Galactus | GALACTUS HAS ARRIVED!!! |
| 06:37.30 | nvz | so its pretty much maturing from what I can tell |
| 06:37.35 | fyrestrtr | liable: easy way to figure it out -- the silver pin only goes on one way (its on a tilt). Force it, and you'll end up with a cracked cpu. |
| 06:37.37 | Lilandra | i used to go to y! chat once upon a time for trivia chat |
| 06:37.51 | nvz | though I havent actually went in there in years I am just looking from the outside at whats going on |
| 06:37.51 | fyrestrtr | yeah trivia chat is where its at : |
| 06:37.53 | liable | fyrestrtr: its a fan, not cpu :P |
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| 06:38.10 | Lilandra | debian stable has OOo 1? |
| 06:38.25 | fyrestrtr | liable: well maybe pin isn't right right word, but its got a latch on it, that latch will only go on one way. |
| 06:38.36 | Lilandra | fyrestrtr: the spam/porn bot stuff? this was back in 98/99 |
| 06:38.41 | fyrestrtr | liable: in fact, iirc, if you try to turn the fan around, it won't even sit on the cpu socket. |
| 06:39.08 | nvz | !info openoffice.org sarge |
| 06:39.08 | liable | fyrestrtr: yeah, i havent pull the case off yet |
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| 06:39.17 | dpkg | openoffice.org: (high-quality office productivity suite), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.1.3-9sarge3 (sarge), Packaged size: 6691 kB, Installed size: 28284 kB |
| 06:39.21 | nvz | o.O |
| 06:39.32 | fyrestrtr | version 1.1 ?! |
| 06:39.33 | nvz | oh wait I _am_ on testing thats why it says 2.0 :P |
| 06:39.34 | Galactus | MY NAME IS GALACTUS!! |
| 06:39.41 | liable | i dunno if the fucker is even gonna fit in this case.. |
| 06:39.44 | Lilandra | :) |
| 06:39.49 | nvz | !ops his name is Galactus! |
| 06:39.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: nvz complains about: his name is Galactus! |
| 06:39.59 | fyrestrtr | lol nvz |
| 06:40.02 | Lilandra | i should've just picked testing right? cuz i'm going to have to download this 500mb again to change |
| 06:40.13 | nvz | fyrestrtr: ;) |
| 06:40.15 | Galactus | BAH! MERE MORTALS CANNOT HOPE TO STOP ME |
| 06:40.19 | nvz | hehe |
| 06:40.23 | Galactus | YOU DARE TO STOP MY AWESOME POWERE!? |
| 06:40.23 | nvz | of course not |
| 06:40.28 | Galactus | BE AMAZED!!! :P |
| 06:40.34 | nvz | Oh I will be |
| 06:40.42 | amphi | !aolify Galactus |
| 06:40.51 | Galactus | hehehe |
| 06:40.54 | fyrestrtr | nice trigger. |
| 06:40.57 | Galactus | that's enough for me |
| 06:41.00 | nvz | I'll be amazed to see you doing something more constructive |
| 06:41.07 | Galactus | it's late and I must take leave |
| 06:41.34 | Galactus | GALACTUS MUST LEAVE!!! |
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| 06:41.52 | Lilandra | yes |
| 06:41.54 | nvz | yeah I wouldnt want to see your awesome power turn back into a pumpkin.. you better rush home before midnight |
| 06:41.55 | Lilandra | all downloaded |
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| 06:42.56 | Lilandra | can i change the fontconfig afterwards? (the native, authohinter, none stuff) |
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| 06:43.29 | sanmarcos | Lilandra: Lilandra |
| 06:43.31 | liable | good to see some people can still get good crack.. |
| 06:43.47 | nvz | man, I'm still hungry.. I guess thats because I havent cooked anything yet |
| 06:43.54 | sanmarcos | yes, its nice, in this dwindling world that people can still enjoy good' ol' crack |
| 06:43.55 | fyrestrtr | nvz: uncompressing the archive right now. You'll have to tell me how to get it to *not* override my ubuntu kernel, as I have never done this kind of thing before. |
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| 06:44.25 | nvz | fyrestrtr: building it with kernel-package wont effect the system in any way unless you installed the deb afterwards |
| 06:44.30 | sanmarcos | !ubuntu |
| 06:44.30 | dpkg | ubuntu is, like, 1. Ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. A distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 06:44.36 | fyrestrtr | what tha ... |
| 06:44.52 | liable | sanmarcos: no need to jump to conclusions :P |
| 06:44.54 | fyrestrtr | nvz: apparently, make menuconfig doesn't work lol |
| 06:44.58 | nvz | hmm I am debating just eating some fruit instead of cooking |
| 06:45.05 | nvz | fyrestrtr: no need for it |
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| 06:45.20 | fyrestrtr | nvz: so please, learn me something :) |
| 06:45.20 | sanmarcos | liable: I understand his pain. #ubuntu sucks, cant get any real hardcore support there, just newbie shit. But here, the hardcores are online |
| 06:45.28 | nvz | fyrestrtr: install libncurses5-dev build-essential fakeroot kernel-package |
| 06:45.43 | fyrestrtr | okay |
| 06:45.48 | nvz | fyrestrtr: then cd to the top level source dir (after untarred of course) and use a regular user not root |
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| 06:46.22 | nvz | fyrestrtr: make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot kernel_package, you can man make-kpkg for other options and information |
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| 06:46.52 | nvz | fyrestrtr: kernel-package is an all-in-wonder kernel tool takes care of patching, configuring, compiling, packaging all in a one-liner |
| 06:47.07 | fyrestrtr | ooh hey that would have been handy in my gentoo days. |
| 06:47.10 | nvz | fyrestrtr: no need to do any other steps like make menuconfig seperate |
| 06:47.16 | fyrestrtr | okay let me apt-get this stuff. |
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| 06:48.01 | Galactus | GALACTUS HAS ARRIVED TO TORMENT THE USERS OF DEBIAN ONCE AGAIN!! |
| 06:48.03 | Galactus | BEHOLD!!! |
| 06:48.04 | liable | bugger, looks like i am gonna have to rip the damn mobo out to install this sucker |
| 06:48.11 | nvz | fyrestrtr: I normally use the buildpackage target which implies clean and binary targets (kernel_image, kernel_headers, kernel_doc, kernel_source) so it will clean the source then make 4 debs for source, headers, image, and docs |
| 06:48.12 | sanmarcos | nvz: except when it fails |
| 06:48.13 | karsten | !ops Galactus crapflood |
| 06:48.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: Galactus crapflood |
| 06:48.18 | sanmarcos | Galactus: WELCOME!! BROTHER!! |
| 06:48.18 | liable | Galactus: sleep now, you are tired! |
| 06:48.31 | Galactus | liable, actually I am :( |
| 06:48.41 | Galactus | I may pass out, got work at 7 |
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| 06:49.01 | liable | Galactus: ask mom for some warm milk and a nice cookie :) |
| 06:49.06 | sanmarcos | ooooohhh |
| 06:49.11 | Galactus | :( |
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| 06:49.22 | fyrestrtr | nvz: is it literally 'kernel_package' or something else? I get Unknown target kernel_package. I have kernel_headers, kernel_image as valid targets, plus some other stuff. |
| 06:49.32 | nvz | yeah I should eat and go back to bed too. try and do some work tomorrow.. I am suspended from my 11-7 for a few days so I might as well make use of my time making some real money |
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| 06:49.46 | sanmarcos | nvz: its always about money |
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| 06:50.42 | nvz | fyrestrtr: no kernel-package is the name of the package, the valid targets for make-kpkg are clean, binary, buildpackage, kernel_image, kernel_headers, kernel_doc, kernel_source.. there may be others.. but those are the ones I know about |
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| 06:50.56 | basanta | can't start udev (ver .093) when booting in kernel 2.6.17-ck1 |
| 06:51.13 | nvz | fyrestrtr: binary implies all 4 packages, and buildpackage implies clean and binary so it encompasses all targets |
| 06:51.13 | fyrestrtr | nvz: so what should I type then? |
| 06:51.16 | sanmarcos | basanta: no shit |
| 06:51.26 | sanmarcos | basanta: udev will make you see a psychologist |
| 06:51.35 | sanmarcos | !udev |
| 06:51.35 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=383555 |
| 06:51.43 | fyrestrtr | oh I understand now. |
| 06:51.53 | nvz | fyrestrtr: make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot <targets> and optionally maybe a --revision= or something |
| 06:52.06 | fyrestrtr | nvz: I can use more than one target? |
| 06:52.12 | nvz | fyrestrtr: revision defaults to like 10.0.custom or something |
| 06:52.20 | nvz | fyrestrtr: yes you can use multiple targets |
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| 06:52.48 | fyrestrtr | hrmm, I think I'll go with buildpackage. |
| 06:53.00 | basanta | sanmarcos, do you think downgrading udev alone is possible and it will help ? |
| 06:53.12 | sanmarcos | basanta: unstable? |
| 06:53.14 | fyrestrtr | man this reminds me of gentoo |
| 06:53.20 | sanmarcos | basanta: you are basically screwed |
| 06:53.30 | basanta | yes |
| 06:53.41 | sanmarcos | I know, I lost many good machines to udev |
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| 06:54.19 | liable | basanta: downgrading udev is usually painless |
| 06:54.25 | nvz | fyrestrtr: I use buildpackage just because it takes care of everything I dont have to remember to clean the source if its already been compiled before, and I got all 4 packages just in case I need to reference the docs later, or build additional modules.. and I can rm -rf the source and original tarball because it packages the source up for me as well in debian format |
| 06:54.28 | basanta | liable, ok |
| 06:54.41 | nvz | fyrestrtr: I rarely ever use the other 3 packages, but they are nice to have if you ever need them |
| 06:54.44 | liable | basanta: whats your problem with udev? |
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| 06:55.03 | liable | basanta: initscripts recently was causing some problems too |
| 06:55.04 | fyrestrtr | okay I'm going with buildpackage, and now I seet the menuconfig :) |
| 06:55.07 | basanta | thumb drive automounting |
| 06:55.13 | nvz | fyrestrtr: and building the other 3 packages doesnt take long.. its the image that takes the longest to compile and package |
| 06:55.27 | fyrestrtr | what the proper processor family for centrino? |
| 06:55.28 | nvz | fyrestrtr: yeah after you exit menuconfig it goes to work compiling and packaging for you automatically |
| 06:55.50 | basanta | liable, I need udev to be started to get thumb drive automounted |
| 06:56.26 | liable | basanta: are you sure this is a udev problem? |
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| 06:56.46 | basanta | liable, btw how do you find out udev is acutally been started? by looking at /dev folder ? -little number of links ? |
| 06:57.19 | basanta | liable, yes its udev not being able to get started normally with my kernel. |
| 06:57.22 | liable | basanta: if you have udev installed, and your system boots, then its started :) |
| 06:57.41 | basanta | liable, no necessary |
| 06:57.46 | basanta | not necesarily |
| 06:57.56 | nvz | ugh.. UGH! one of these days.. I say one of these days I am taking that fucking microwave apart and surgically removing its beeper. |
| 06:58.20 | nvz | the damn think beeps, then a few seconds later beeps again.. and it just keeps doing it.. what if I know its done and dont want to take it out yet ffs |
| 06:58.41 | liable | bbl, i gotta dissasemble a box |
| 06:58.44 | sanmarcos | nvz: just open the door and close again |
| 06:59.04 | karsten | nvz: And then half your paper's gone? |
| 06:59.15 | karsten | nvz: beep beep beep beepbeepbeepbeepbeep.... |
| 06:59.16 | sanmarcos | for you hardware gods, what is the best way to keep a pci card safe? wrap it in what? |
| 06:59.18 | nvz | sanmarcos: sometimes I am preoccupied.. washing dishes, making other things.. bullshitting on irc |
| 06:59.31 | sanmarcos | nvz: nice. I assume you dont like corporate bullshit |
| 06:59.45 | nvz | no, no I dont |
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| 07:00.02 | karsten | </ellenfeiss> |
| 07:00.17 | nvz | I am real anal about things like this.. I go as far as despising things like stickers, logos, advertisement.. |
| 07:00.48 | nvz | people can get me a shirt or something that they think is real nice and I wont wear it because I refuse to be a walking billboard |
| 07:01.35 | nvz | even things I believe strongly in I dont go putting bumper stickers on my car advertising and doing door-to-door like some missionary |
| 07:01.53 | karsten | nvz: Bingo. I don't care for logoed clothing either. Linux excepted. |
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| 07:02.11 | nvz | I value freedom of choice and most things I believe in if you dont agree I consider it your loss I am not gonna cram in down your throat |
| 07:02.25 | nvz | though I am not pro-choice |
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| 07:02.33 | nvz | when it comes to abortion issues |
| 07:02.36 | chino[dev] | what is etch ? |
| 07:02.42 | sanmarcos | !etch |
| 07:02.42 | dpkg | methinks etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 07:02.43 | karsten | !etch |
| 07:02.48 | sanmarcos | haha |
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| 07:03.38 | nvz | I think the whole idea of birth control, contraceptive, abortion.. all of it is rediculous. I dont know when sex became a recreational passtime but I consider it to be foolish and irresponsible and the idea of creating something then destroying it as a freedom of choice seems obsurd to me |
| 07:04.08 | sanmarcos | !offtopic |
| 07:04.27 | karsten | nvz: I know exactly when that happened. |
| 07:04.35 | karsten | nvz: Let me check my calendar. |
| 07:04.36 | karsten | ... |
| 07:04.37 | nvz | karsten: the 70's :P |
| 07:04.46 | karsten | nvz: BC 2,000,000,000 ;-) |
| 07:04.50 | nvz | heh |
| 07:04.57 | blujay | a "recreational pastime?" yeah...it's in the Bible, man :) |
| 07:05.26 | Lilandra | so, my gnome won't start. or X. i'm not sure which. which would be the right forum to ask for help? |
| 07:05.35 | karsten | Lilandra: Here. |
| 07:05.37 | blujay | Lilandra: what happens? |
| 07:05.46 | karsten | Lilandra: At console, 'X'. What happens? |
| 07:05.57 | Lilandra | it says it might be configured incorrectly and if i want to look at output. |
| 07:06.15 | karsten | Lilandra: A screen with a stipple (herringbone) pattern and a large X for your mouse pointer is good. |
| 07:06.23 | Lilandra | no |
| 07:06.25 | nvz | hey I can enjoy sex as much as anyone but I consider a more responsible approach to relationships in general. and I also recognise there are plent of other ways to enjoy someones company or to enjoy sexual pleasures than just going at it then checking into the clinic |
| 07:06.30 | Lilandra | the console login flashes a couple times |
| 07:06.44 | karsten | Lilandra: OK, X is hosed. |
| 07:06.46 | karsten | !set up x |
| 07:06.46 | dpkg | [set up x] First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 07:06.47 | Lilandra | and then appears with a blue screen and a grey notice asking if i want to look at output |
| 07:06.49 | x|e | hmm sex is good yea i agree |
| 07:06.51 | Lilandra | how do i reconfigure? |
| 07:06.52 | blujay | nvz: that's wise |
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| 07:06.54 | Lilandra | oh ok |
| 07:07.23 | karsten | nvz: http://www.amazon.com/Why-Sex-Fun-Evolution-Sexuality/dp/0465031269 |
| 07:07.42 | nvz | yeah well it took a getting through teenage years and meeting a regular sleaze and participating in the whole thing to figure out all of this |
| 07:07.51 | karsten | nvz: On a related topic, do ou honestly think that dogs clean themselves only when they absolutely have to? |
| 07:08.00 | nvz | heh |
| 07:08.01 | blujay | nvz: that's too bad :( |
| 07:08.56 | cafuego | karsten: Please stop licking yourself in public. |
| 07:08.58 | nvz | blujay: not altogether.. I mean as a teenager its all you think about. and I probably wouldnt feel so stongly if the nypho I met was actually any good at it.. but she was young and inexperienced :P |
| 07:09.11 | blujay | oh |
| 07:09.13 | karsten | cafuego: Ssh! Nobody knows I'm a dog. |
| 07:10.00 | Lilandra | karsten: after doing that, do i just startx or gdm? |
| 07:10.03 | nvz | but I am glad it worked out that way. I am content with my decision, and hopeful that not everyone is a complete sleaze these days |
| 07:10.07 | karsten | Lilandra: In theory, yes. |
| 07:10.17 | Lilandra | or do i have to run some config script? |
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| 07:10.27 | karsten | Lilandra: No, just 'startx'. |
| 07:10.33 | karsten | Lilandra: It either works or doesn't. |
| 07:10.50 | Lilandra | it doesn't |
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| 07:11.13 | karsten | OK. xorg or xfree86? (Debian etch or debian sarge release?) |
| 07:11.18 | Lilandra | xfree86 |
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| 07:11.27 | Lilandra | wait |
| 07:11.50 | Lilandra | debian-31r3-i386-netinst.iso is sarge, yes? |
| 07:11.55 | fyrestrtr | nvz: okay, its building ow. |
| 07:12.08 | karsten | Check to see what's in /var/log. /var/log/xorg.0.log == xorg. /var/log/XFree86.0.log == xf86. |
| 07:12.11 | karsten | Lilandra: Yeah. |
| 07:12.16 | nvz | one of my managers at work is a total sleaze and she's not happy with the fact that I take no interest in her. |
| 07:12.23 | karsten | Anyhow, check what's in the appropriate logfile. |
| 07:12.26 | fyrestrtr | forgot how long it takes to configure the kernel, I skipped over some stuff -- but made sure the ethernet and wireless was there. |
| 07:12.27 | sanmarcos | nvz: how so? |
| 07:12.30 | karsten | nvz: Take an interest in her. Make life interesting. |
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| 07:12.40 | sanmarcos | nice quote by karsten |
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| 07:12.45 | karsten | fyrestrtr: you do have the make oldconfig option. |
| 07:12.47 | sanmarcos | i mean if you dont take risks, youll never win |
| 07:12.48 | streuner | nvz: did you tell her that you married? |
| 07:12.48 | nvz | she's not very attractive |
| 07:12.57 | nvz | streuner: no I just told her I dont like her :P |
| 07:13.05 | karsten | fyrestrtr: ... then make delta changes as necessary. |
| 07:13.06 | fyrestrtr | nvz: pillows are there for a reason :P |
| 07:13.06 | streuner | DOH |
| 07:13.17 | Lilandra | karsten: Open APM failed |
| 07:13.19 | nvz | her attitude is horrible |
| 07:13.28 | karsten | Lilandra: Hrm. |
| 07:13.31 | streuner | tell her everything, but NOT this |
| 07:13.33 | fyrestrtr | what do you do? |
| 07:13.37 | Lilandra | still going thru it.. |
| 07:13.49 | karsten | !tell Lilandra about paster |
| 07:13.53 | karsten | Lilandra: Paste that log. |
| 07:13.55 | nordon | i manually set my mtrr but lost it aftr re-boot. how to make the setting permanent? |
| 07:14.03 | karsten | nordon: Set it at boot. |
| 07:14.05 | Lilandra | ah! well that's kinda hard karsten...differnt computer |
| 07:14.09 | Lilandra | the whole thing? |
| 07:14.17 | karsten | Lilandra: If possible. Got net? |
| 07:14.28 | karsten | Lilandra: Do *not* paste it to channel, paste it to the paster website. |
| 07:14.31 | nordon | karsten: how? |
| 07:14.37 | Lilandra | will have to check if i have lynx or something |
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| 07:14.54 | nvz | streuner: hey when it works I am happy to let sleazy women with a bad attitudes know how I feel about them so they give up. however for some it just makes them more interested. |
| 07:14.59 | karsten | Lilandra: w3m or elinks2 are easier to use |
| 07:15.06 | fyrestrtr | nvz: does the base system have udev? I'll be putting this thing on the usb disk. |
| 07:15.16 | Lilandra | Fatal server error: no screens found, and Screen(s) found but none have a usable configuration |
| 07:15.18 | karsten | nordon: How'd you set it initially? as an /etc/init.d/if-up.d/ script would be my suggestion. |
| 07:15.29 | karsten | Lilandra: Effect, not cause |
| 07:15.37 | Lilandra | karsten: how do i copy the text of the file into the text browser? |
| 07:15.39 | karsten | Lilandra: Seeing the whole log will help |
| 07:15.39 | nvz | fyrestrtr: I doubt it.. but I dont know |
| 07:15.41 | streuner | Lilandra: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' say? |
| 07:15.58 | karsten | Lilandra: in console: w3m can use vi as a text editor, just read it in. |
| 07:16.02 | nvz | fyrestrtr: you dont need udev we had usb long before we had udev |
| 07:16.15 | nordon | karsten: i think it is an option in the kernel, but that does not set the video ram correctly. soi have to do it manuall. |
| 07:16.15 | Lilandra | vga compatible controller: nvidia corp nv11 (geforce2 mx/mx 400) |
| 07:16.17 | karsten | Lilandra: set another editor if you're more comfortable with that (eg: emacs, nano). |
| 07:16.28 | karsten | nordon: mtrr == networking stuff? |
| 07:16.40 | fyrestrtr | karsten: video stuff |
| 07:16.42 | nordon | karsten: more for video. |
| 07:16.54 | karsten | OK. |
| 07:17.02 | karsten | My bad. I'm thinking MTR. |
| 07:17.13 | Lilandra | hmm unmet dependencies.... |
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| 07:17.42 | karsten | Lilandra: Meet them. Halfway if necessary. |
| 07:17.56 | karsten | nordon: in your grub/lilo conf it would appear. |
| 07:18.16 | Lilandra | yes ... and the fact that it's xserver-xfree86 has me wondering if i typed those things incorrectly...:( |
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| 07:18.34 | nordon | karsten: sounds familiar. will check. thks. |
| 07:18.48 | karsten | nordon: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, add video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr to the kopt line. Rerun update-grub |
| 07:18.59 | karsten | Lilandra: xserver-xfree86 == sarge. |
| 07:19.09 | Lilandra | yeah |
| 07:19.11 | karsten | nordon: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/3393-how-set-up-framebuffer-part-1-a.html |
| 07:19.11 | nordon | karsten: thks. |
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| 07:19.17 | karsten | nordon: FYI. That's all I know. |
| 07:19.28 | nordon | thks |
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| 07:19.52 | nvz | xserver-xfree86 >= sarge |
| 07:20.05 | Lilandra | now y'all just confusing me |
| 07:20.21 | my007ms | how to make normal user TrustedUser. |
| 07:20.44 | nvz | Lilandra: all debian releases to date use XFree, current testing (etch) and unstable we have switched to Xorg |
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| 07:20.57 | Lilandra | ok |
| 07:20.59 | karsten | Lilandra: Howso? |
| 07:21.05 | nvz | well all releases since like slink or something |
| 07:21.07 | karsten | Lilandra: NM. |
| 07:21.10 | fyrestrtr | nvz: sory about that, computer froze up. |
| 07:21.12 | Lilandra | well you said = sarge, nvz said >= sarge |
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| 07:21.15 | nvz | I am not so sure about the earlies ones |
| 07:21.20 | Lilandra | ok |
| 07:21.26 | Lilandra | should i autodetect video hardware? |
| 07:21.38 | karsten | nvz: X has been out for Linux as long as Debian's been out, not sure what bo / ham had but it's been a long time. |
| 07:21.40 | karsten | Lilandra: Yes. |
| 07:21.52 | helmut | Hi. What reasons might exist for debian's 2.6.16-1-amd64-k8-smp kernel to scramble my rootfs every time I boot (after restoring my backupt)? |
| 07:22.00 | fyrestrtr | nvz: can you give me that make-pkg command again please. |
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| 07:22.09 | nvz | karsten: I started with Potato after trying many other distros out |
| 07:22.10 | helmut | (not quite every time, but most often and every time differently) |
| 07:22.15 | Lilandra | karsten: now it wants me to select the bus location of the video card |
| 07:22.30 | wols | Lilandra: leave it empty |
| 07:22.34 | karsten | Lilandra: Ignore. |
| 07:22.44 | karsten | Lilandra: Only matters for non-PC or dual-head HW. |
| 07:22.46 | nvz | karsten: I could have ended up a FreeBSD or Slackware user.. I had Debian Potato, Slack, and FreeBSD all burnt at the time |
| 07:22.46 | Lilandra | even if i have both onboard video and an agp card? |
| 07:23.06 | fyrestrtr | Lilandra: not normally. |
| 07:23.33 | karsten | f/k/a Gator. |
| 07:23.33 | karsten | The adware / spyware folks. |
| 07:23.33 | Lilandra | memory for vid card? |
| 07:23.35 | karsten | Lilandra: Ignore |
| 07:23.56 | Lilandra | no to framebuffer right? |
| 07:24.02 | karsten | Lilandra: Yeah, skip it for now, we can reconfig if absolutely necessary. |
| 07:24.05 | karsten | Lilandra: *NO* to framebuffer |
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| 07:24.18 | Lilandra | XKB rule? leave as default? |
| 07:24.20 | karsten | Lilandra: You can get the bus IDs from 'lspci | grep VGA' if necessary. |
| 07:24.22 | nvz | Lilandra: to save yourself and everyone else some aggravation debconf dialogs for official packages are WIDHE compliant so, When In Doubt Hit Enter |
| 07:24.23 | karsten | Lilandra: Yeah. |
| 07:24.35 | karsten | Lilandra: What nvz said. |
| 07:24.39 | Lilandra | sorry nvz |
| 07:24.39 | Lilandra | ok |
| 07:24.43 | fyrestrtr | nvz: can you give me that command again please, to start the kernel build. |
| 07:24.51 | Lilandra | well framebuffer was yes |
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| 07:26.11 | karsten | Lilandra: Well, technically, it works but you don't want to do that. |
| 07:26.39 | nvz | fyrestrtr: from toplevel source dir as regular non-root user ~/linux-2.6.17.13$ make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot buildpackage |
| 07:26.59 | fyrestrtr | thanks again, I don't know why my pc just locked up :| |
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| 07:27.37 | nvz | fyrestrtr: you should never compile anything as root to avoid disasters. only the install process requires root privlage. and in this case fakeroot is required to create files owned by root |
| 07:27.37 | fyrestrtr | meh :( This is kernel package version 10.049ubuntu4. |
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| 07:28.45 | Lilandra | how do i find out the IP address my computer got by dhcp? |
| 07:28.52 | fyrestrtr | Lilandra: ifconfig -a |
| 07:28.57 | Shadda | ifco.. |
| 07:29.00 | nvz | fyrestrtr: I doubt using ubuntu to build a kernel for debian would hurt.. but if unsure I'd have a look at their changelog |
| 07:29.07 | Lilandra | ooooo!!! |
| 07:29.21 | Lilandra | startx got it! why didn't it reinstall when i gave it before...*sigh* |
| 07:29.22 | Lilandra | thanks |
| 07:29.27 | nvz | fyrestrtr: and possibly their documentation readme, manpage, whatever |
| 07:29.28 | Lilandra | very much |
| 07:29.48 | fyrestrtr | nvz: I just want to get the network going, and then I'll install the proper debian kernel. |
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| 07:30.06 | fyrestrtr | so I think for now, it'll have to suffice. |
| 07:30.12 | karsten | Lilandra: Working? |
| 07:30.14 | Lilandra | nvz, karsten: i got my gnome |
| 07:30.18 | karsten | Lilandra: Great! |
| 07:30.25 | Lilandra | yes! now i just have to make sure gnome starts when i login |
| 07:30.25 | nvz | fyrestrtr: yeah well afaik there isnt any debian kernel that will support either of the network devices on your laptop without being modified |
| 07:30.30 | Lilandra | thank you very much |
| 07:30.38 | karsten | Lilandra: NP. |
| 07:30.43 | karsten | Lilandra: aptitude install gpm |
| 07:30.47 | k31th | Guys, I have postfix setup with amavis & spamassasin... however my spam gets sent to the user as wel as my spam mailbox ! how can i stop this |
| 07:30.54 | karsten | Lilandra: ... should start up gnome's login manager automatically. |
| 07:30.56 | fyrestrtr | nvz: hrmm, that command exited with an error. |
| 07:31.16 | fyrestrtr | nvz: arch/i386/kernel/built-in.o:(.text+0x42b7): more undefined references to `__stack_chk_fail' follow |
| 07:31.28 | nvz | fyrestrtr: o.O |
| 07:32.18 | fyrestrtr | nvz: http://pastebin.ca/166714 |
| 07:32.33 | Lilandra | karsten: i didn't need to do that :) |
| 07:32.43 | fyrestrtr | nvz: do I need initramfs for debian? |
| 07:32.50 | fyrestrtr | I think that's the problem module. |
| 07:32.52 | karsten | Lilandra: Already installed? |
| 07:33.03 | karsten | Lilandra: ... or what? |
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| 07:33.51 | Lilandra | yes karsten i think so or it remembered that i wanted it to start automatically |
| 07:34.38 | karsten | Lilandra: OK, so GDM's running and you're seeing a "User / Password" login screen (or were before you logged in) ? |
| 07:34.48 | Lilandra | yes karsten |
| 07:34.55 | nvz | fyrestrtr: no idea what that is. though seeing that initramfs crap got me thinking of something I didnt mention.. you should turn of initrd support its not nessicary on a custom kernel and just an extra headache.. for all I know this may be initrd related because you didnt tell make-kpkg you would be building initrd |
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| 07:35.14 | Lilandra | i have some weird things on my desktop tho but that's ok |
| 07:35.21 | fyrestrtr | nvz: yeah -- I'm going to start it again from the top. |
| 07:35.23 | karsten | Anyone remember if Charminthemoose showed up / got resolved earlier? |
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| 07:35.29 | karsten | Lilandra: Weird how? |
| 07:35.50 | streuner | dpkg, seen Charminthemoose |
| 07:35.50 | dpkg | charminthemoose <n=dsl@83-70-34-30.b-ras1.prp.dublin.eircom.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 13h 46m 41s ago, saying: 'anyone?'. |
| 07:36.03 | Lilandra | trash and wastebasket |
| 07:36.03 | karsten | hrm |
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| 07:36.12 | karsten | Lilandra: Both? |
| 07:36.12 | Lilandra | link representing floppy but called no name |
| 07:36.21 | Lilandra | but if i do ls on ~/Desktop it's floppy |
| 07:36.29 | Lilandra | a link to knoppix... |
| 07:36.30 | nvz | karsten: looks like there was still questions about netusb.o |
| 07:36.39 | karsten | Lilandra: That's pretty bog standard. It's configured by Nautilus if you're running GNOME. |
| 07:36.42 | Lilandra | oh! that's anotehr mounted thing |
| 07:36.52 | karsten | Lilandra: Um. Is this a Debian install or a Knoppix install? |
| 07:36.53 | nvz | karsten: all I recall is complains about netusb not being in initrd /as if/... |
| 07:36.55 | Lilandra | but Floppy is usually called No Name? |
| 07:37.02 | karsten | nvz: Yeah. |
| 07:37.09 | Lilandra | karsten: debian but i made a mount point but forgot for the knoppix partition |
| 07:37.09 | karsten | Lilandra: NFC. I don't use desktop icons. |
| 07:37.20 | fyrestrtr | nvz: can I keep all defaults, just select the networking module? |
| 07:37.21 | Lilandra | well they were automatically there |
| 07:37.36 | karsten | www.windowmaker.info/ |
| 07:37.52 | karsten | Lilandra: Typical GNOME configuration AFAIR. |
| 07:38.07 | Lilandra | ok karsten |
| 07:38.19 | nvz | fyrestrtr: I would set the cpu related stuff, make sure there is support for your disk controller and stuff, and remove initrd support |
| 07:38.33 | karsten | Feh. WindowMaker's website has been having significant issues. |
| 07:39.05 | wols | fyrestrtr: harddisk controller, root filesystem must be compiled into the kernel. and don't make an initrd |
| 07:39.14 | nvz | fyrestrtr: I normally go through the whole thing tons of low-level scsi drivers, weird networking protocols, multicasting and routing modules are selected by default that I know I will never use.. so I try to customize |
| 07:39.50 | nvz | fyrestrtr: yeah the disk controller and rootfilesystem _MUST_ be compiled in not as a module.. and if its ext3 both ext2 and ext3 support should be built in |
| 07:39.57 | Lilandra | what file has the list of users and their numeric ids? |
| 07:40.06 | fyrestrtr | nvz: okay, I'll keep that in mind. |
| 07:40.11 | nvz | Lilandra: looking to change that stuff? |
| 07:40.14 | fyrestrtr | Lilandra: /etc/passwd |
| 07:40.23 | fyrestrtr | Lilandra: but don't edit that file :) |
| 07:40.28 | nvz | Lilandra: man usermod |
| 07:40.39 | Lilandra | nvz, fyrestrtr: they told me i would have to if i want to share a /home |
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| 07:40.57 | nvz | eww I would never share my /home |
| 07:41.15 | Lilandra | oh! now i get why i have so many things on my desktop! si'm silly |
| 07:41.26 | Lilandra | nvz: not even with two linux installations? |
| 07:41.30 | nvz | never ever.. especially if there was a chance of simultanious use |
| 07:41.32 | fyrestrtr | I have some options that are () what does that mean? |
| 07:41.44 | nvz | Lilandra: ah same user on two different insallations? |
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| 07:41.59 | Lilandra | yes nvz |
| 07:42.16 | nvz | Lilandra: thats fine.. you just cant share it with other users. thats worse than sharing your toothbrush |
| 07:42.44 | nvz | Lilandra: usermod -u |
| 07:42.45 | Lilandra | worse than my toothbrush? AND that makes me all shiver with disgust |
| 07:43.00 | Lilandra | and this is just temporary until i settle and figure out my wireless then it's one |
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| 07:43.09 | nvz | Lilandra: yeah well sharing your $HOME with another user is very nasty |
| 07:44.11 | nvz | having all your configurations and stuff would be like me not only using your toothbrush but wearing your underwear too |
| 07:44.20 | Lilandra | eep |
| 07:44.31 | Lilandra | well, thanks very much for that graphic description! |
| 07:44.41 | Lilandra | anywayz i should go to sleep now...thanks once again |
| 07:45.10 | nvz | yeah I should go to sleep too. no point sitting around all night its already going on 4am |
| 07:45.23 | Lilandra | yeah...and i have to be at work at 8 :( |
| 07:45.25 | Lilandra | bye |
| 07:45.27 | nvz | I gotta get up and figure out a way to get that damn car started |
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| 07:45.57 | nvz | short of calling someone to give me a jump I really dont have any ideas.. my pc doesnt output enough amps to start a car ;) |
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| 07:46.16 | speedy | I've just installed kernel-image-2.6.8-3 and kernel-headers-2.6.8-3, compiled and installed drbd module, modprobe drbd shows good result, but when i do drbdadm up all i get error saying can not open /dev/drbd0: no such file |
| 07:46.23 | nvz | the thing doesnt have enough power to engage the pinion much less turn the flywheel |
| 07:46.43 | dondelelcaro | bump start it |
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| 07:47.19 | Guerin | nvz: manuel or autocraptic? |
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| 07:48.47 | nvz | Guerin: yeah if it weren't for the autocraptic tranny I could just push her down the hill and let the clutch out |
| 07:48.54 | karsten | Guerin: Ford. Dollars to donuts, auto. |
| 07:49.09 | Guerin | nvz: you lose |
| 07:49.16 | Guerin | automatic cars are like apple macs |
| 07:49.18 | nvz | Ford makes standards.. look at the probe, mustang.. |
| 07:49.24 | karsten | nvz: Call your female cow-orkre. |
| 07:49.24 | nvz | Guerin: heh |
| 07:49.26 | Guerin | great if you don't want to actually do anything weith them |
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| 07:49.33 | karsten | nvz: Tell her you need her to jump you. |
| 07:49.45 | nvz | karsten: which one :P |
| 07:49.57 | karsten | nvz: The one who's complaining for lack of attention ;-) |
| 07:49.59 | nvz | karsten: that would be funny |
| 07:50.12 | karsten | nvz: ... or another if you think that's a better idea. |
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| 07:51.05 | nvz | yeah there is only one girl at work I like.. that new manager Amy is decent looking but she damn near trampled over me to gawk at some guy outside one day.. so I take it she's a sleaze ball too |
| 07:51.24 | karsten | nvz: Girls like to look too. |
| 07:51.39 | nvz | I like the quiet one thats always real polite |
| 07:52.35 | nvz | my only complaint with her is the way she wears her hat down real low blocking her face.. but I seen her one morning before she put it on and put her hair up she's pretty cute |
| 07:53.19 | nvz | she's a bit shy but I thats usually not a problem |
| 07:54.10 | nvz | and from what I gather she cant drive for shit.. seems she's wrecked two cars this summer |
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| 07:54.35 | karsten | Ouch. |
| 07:54.36 | wols | speedy: if you're not using udev, is the device file there? if not, create it |
| 07:54.41 | nvz | but hey, what can you do about that.. I'd give her a ride ;P |
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| 07:55.25 | fyrestrtr | lol |
| 07:55.28 | nvz | heh |
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| 07:55.47 | fyrestrtr | and we are off with the compile again! |
| 07:57.28 | nvz | I can tell when a girl is my type without knowing anything about her.. I can hear her song and I start to feel the groove. If I look in her eyes and dont hear the music or dont like what I hear, she's not my type |
| 07:59.48 | karsten | nvz: Not with that ford of yours. |
| 07:59.57 | nvz | its not mine and never will be |
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| 08:00.23 | nvz | I fixed the one window, and I'll fix a few more things on it then I am parking it back at my grandmothers house to do what she will with it |
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| 08:00.40 | nvz | I dont drive that kind of crap I'd rather walk |
| 08:00.42 | Dave|id | when i do a ls -lh, i see this for a folder... |
| 08:00.43 | Dave|id | log -> /var/log/ |
| 08:01.00 | Dave|id | does that mean there is a symbolic link for the folder log to /var/log |
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| 08:01.05 | Dave|id | or is it something else |
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| 08:02.03 | nvz | I realize my high-society attitude towards cars is a bit rediculous but considering I damn near died in a car accident many times I take safty into account as well as maintainence issues.. sure the cars I like usually need imported parts that cost a fortune.. but they are easy to work on, and they dont break that often because they are built with quality in mind |
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| 08:02.33 | nvz | and yes I know ford makes volvos now, which I like a lot.. but this is why I buy older ones that still got the hooks on them where they were tied down on the boat and shipped over |
| 08:02.42 | karsten | nvz: What sort of ar is that? |
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| 08:02.52 | karsten | erm. car. |
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| 08:03.05 | cklaus | hey all.. anybody knows a way to convert an iso-boot-image to a pxe-boot-image ? (is it at all possible ? if so, what steps should one take to achieve this ?) |
| 08:03.22 | nvz | I like Volvo, Mercedes, Jaguar. cheaper cars I'd probably go with a Honda.. but I also dont mind like Audi or something |
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| 08:03.41 | nvz | Honda are fuel effecient and very easy to work on |
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| 08:03.52 | Dave|id | i have a holden now, used to have a civic though |
| 08:03.58 | nvz | but the Volvos just all around suit me best |
| 08:04.14 | nvz | I like Mercedes a lot but they are a bit more expensive and not as easy to work on |
| 08:04.27 | Dave|id | honda engines are usually packed |
| 08:04.33 | Dave|id | very hard to work on |
| 08:04.41 | Dave|id | even worse in the dash |
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| 08:05.20 | nvz | I would have bought Cara's honda if I knew she was gonna sell it, and to that asshole Chad no less.. I fixed that car for her many times, least she could have done is called me when she considered selling it |
| 08:05.33 | nvz | or that dautsun she had |
| 08:05.42 | liable | sata connections are to damn flimsy.. |
| 08:05.45 | nvz | thats not my kinda car but it was HOT |
| 08:05.48 | liable | too.. |
| 08:05.59 | Dave|id | go the datsun! |
| 08:06.01 | karsten | Honda/Toyota rock from reliability standpoint. |
| 08:06.01 | nvz | lots of power in that thing.. all it needed I think was a water pump |
| 08:06.04 | Dave|id | they keep on running |
| 08:06.17 | karsten | nvz: My ford is labled "mazda". Got the 3, lovin' it so far. |
| 08:07.16 | nvz | I wouldnt go toyota just because they are way way to expensive and the parts are expensive too.. and I dont consider them to be classy enough for the cost |
| 08:07.29 | Dave|id | make good utes though |
| 08:07.40 | liable | damn good 4wd utes |
| 08:07.43 | karsten | nvz: There's a significant lack in the style department. Scion's answering that somewhat. |
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| 08:08.53 | nvz | karsten: I worked at University Motors here in Morgantown for about 8 months.. biggest dealership around they sell Toyota/Scion, Mercedes, Nissan, Cadallac, Chevy, and Mitsubishi.. and I got to see plenty of those scions and I dont like their style at all |
| 08:09.00 | nvz | I would often drool on the mercedes though |
| 08:09.02 | MatBoy | Goodmorning !!!!!!!! |
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| 08:10.33 | fyrestrtr | okay now this is the second time the thing has crashed while compiling, and it never saves the command to my history :( |
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| 08:10.41 | karsten | nvz: Not saying it's necessarially my style, but it *is* style. Which Toyota (absent Prius) has nil. |
| 08:11.07 | nvz | biggest points for me is style and ease of maintainece because I am not letting any grease monkey touch my car.. so it has to be something I can easily work on. I loved my volvo that hood would go completly vertical and lock in place ,and that little 2.8 Fuel Injected v6 nested in that nice big engine compartment was easy to work with |
| 08:11.09 | MatBoy | I'm searching for a realtime multimaster replication tool |
| 08:11.14 | karsten | nvz: Mazda 3 / Ford Focus / Volvo S40 are the same base platform. I like the Mazda / Volvo styling on 'em. |
| 08:11.19 | karsten | MatBoy: multimaster? |
| 08:11.51 | MatBoy | karsten, yep, like raid1 but than on network-Level |
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| 08:12.03 | MatBoy | karsten, drbd can;t do it :( |
| 08:12.03 | karsten | MatBoy: OK, no clue. |
| 08:12.18 | nvz | I also look for safty and reliability.. that volvo was about as safe and reliable as they come.. there was two belts solely going from the crankshaft to the water pump and to the alternator, then one belt for the a/c and one for the power steering.. so even if you broke a belt you could probably still make it home |
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| 08:12.42 | MatBoy | nvz, SAAB :D |
| 08:13.36 | nvz | of course those two belts made replacing that water pump a PIMA but I like the idea of redundancy on my car's vital organs |
| 08:14.57 | nvz | the clutch fan tower was kind of ignorant too, but mostly just because my mounting pegs were old and worn |
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| 08:15.55 | fyrestrtr | stay away from jags, unless you know a good jaguar mechanic, or you plan on spending twice the value of the car in repairs. |
| 08:16.42 | nvz | chevys are pretty ignorant though I've worked on my cousin's chevys before.. that cavalier we hat to disconnect the whole exaust from the manifold just to get to the oil pan.. because instead of having the manifold in back and oil pan in front they had the oil pan in back and the exaust manifld up front and a big U shaped cutout in the pan for the exaust to run through |
| 08:16.42 | fyrestrtr | gawd why is there no freakin ISO standard for paper punchs!!?!?!!?! |
| 08:17.00 | liable | nvz: you sure have the nack for stearing #debian in whichever topic appeals to you on the day.. |
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| 08:17.25 | nvz | liable: yeah. I can get off on a tangent when there is not problems to be solved :P |
| 08:17.45 | karsten | fyrestrtr: s/know a/ have adopted a/ |
| 08:17.55 | nvz | I dont hang out anywhere else and when it gets slow in here I feel the need to talk about something |
| 08:18.07 | k-man | what does linux do when it runs out of ram and swapspace? |
| 08:18.18 | karsten | k-man: OOMs |
| 08:18.28 | karsten | k-man: Specifically, OOMKs. |
| 08:18.29 | k-man | what does that mean? |
| 08:18.30 | MatBoy | k-man, it runs :) |
| 08:18.41 | karsten | k-man: The out-of-memory killer starts randomly shooting processes. |
| 08:18.41 | nvz | k-man: depends on how its compiled. usually it will select a process to kill |
| 08:19.08 | nvz | you can compile it with different options on how it selects processes to kill |
| 08:19.10 | k-man | so it just starts randomly killing things |
| 08:19.15 | karsten | k-man: Typically. If not that, you tend to go into fatal swap (the system's swapping / thrashing so heavily noothing can get done). |
| 08:19.18 | nvz | k-man: thats the idea. |
| 08:19.35 | fyrestrtr | nvz: what tha heck is wrong with this kernel, it refuses to freakin build?! |
| 08:19.40 | karsten | k-man: If you're lucky, some processes apparently die at random and you stabilize again. Or you may have to power down. |
| 08:19.47 | k-man | karsten, yes, i experienced that state a few times on my machine last week... then i realised it was probably ram and swap space starved |
| 08:20.07 | nvz | fyrestrtr: try a different source tree maybe.. I cant say you are using tools from ubuntu I am not familiar with and source I havent tested |
| 08:20.18 | karsten | k-man: The usual soluiton is to either offload processing or increase available memory. |
| 08:20.21 | fyrestrtr | how can I use the 'non-debian' tools to build it. |
| 08:20.32 | nvz | fyrestrtr: last I built was 2.6.16 I have 2.6.17 but havent tried it |
| 08:20.36 | karsten | k-man: While adding swap doesn't hurt per se, it also doesn't particularly help. |
| 08:20.51 | k-man | karsten, well, i added a huge chunk more swap space... but yes, i need more ram |
| 08:20.57 | nvz | fyrestrtr: for all I know it could be a problem with the 2.6.17.13 source |
| 08:21.06 | karsten | k-man: If you can isolate a single pathalogically misbehaving process (eg: Firefox), you might either redesign or substitute something else for it. |
| 08:21.29 | karsten | k-man: Tuning things (particularly server processes) to allow a maximum number of running handlers can also help. |
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| 08:21.33 | karsten | k-man: What's the box do? |
| 08:21.36 | k-man | karsten, oh, it happened when i was using ardour and hydrogen and had a epiphany open... |
| 08:21.47 | k-man | karsten, goes into swap hell.... |
| 08:21.53 | nvz | whats an ardour? |
| 08:21.56 | k-man | karsten, its just my home machine that i muck around with |
| 08:22.08 | k-man | nvz, a digital audio workstation app... sorta like cubase |
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| 08:22.32 | nvz | hydrogen is pretty slick it would be nice to see features like the pitch thing fruityloops does.. where you can take any sound and play it in any key |
| 08:23.14 | nvz | though I dont know if fruityloops has different samples for that or just changes the pitch of a single sample |
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| 08:23.40 | k-man | nvz, i think hydrogen avoids that as its just for doing drum loops |
| 08:23.44 | k-man | but i could be wrong |
| 08:24.05 | karsten | k-man: audio processing? |
| 08:24.09 | karsten | k-man: How much RAM? |
| 08:24.19 | k-man | karsten, umm... not enough... |
| 08:24.23 | k-man | i know it has too little |
| 08:24.25 | karsten | k-man: < 1GB? |
| 08:24.26 | k-man | no need to rub it in |
| 08:24.30 | Netcad | is there anything wrong with grub and reiserfs? |
| 08:24.32 | nvz | k-man: bah, even with basic drum loops it could be useful.. but making it into a full loop kit like fruityloops would be great |
| 08:24.39 | karsten | Not rubbin' nothin, jes' askin'. |
| 08:24.42 | k-man | karsten, around 384M |
| 08:24.52 | k-man | hehe |
| 08:25.04 | karsten | Yeah, might want to bump that particularly for multi-track mixing. |
| 08:25.07 | k-man | its an old pc, but its all i have got |
| 08:25.27 | karsten | Dig, and hear you. |
| 08:25.29 | k-man | and i don't really want to buy ram for it as it uses old ram |
| 08:25.34 | nvz | I never messed with hydrogen much.. I spent a while playing with terminatorX and building various scratch pads for it though |
| 08:25.45 | k-man | and old ram costs like twice new ram |
| 08:25.52 | Tidus | k-man: heh, at least you're not on this aged piece of crap |
| 08:25.56 | nvz | I've been meaning to make a new turntable since I've learned a good bit from the last few I made |
| 08:25.59 | Tidus | it has 32mb ram in it, tops out at 96 |
| 08:26.06 | k-man | Tidus, nice... |
| 08:26.11 | Tidus | p2-233 laptop |
| 08:26.21 | k-man | nvz, turntable? |
| 08:26.22 | karsten | Tidus: Wow. |
| 08:26.35 | karsten | Tidus: Worst I've dealt with in recent history was 32MB on a 486. |
| 08:26.38 | nvz | I am thinking mechanical would be best.. the digital ones require too much calibration and they are often flaky |
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| 08:26.51 | Tidus | karsten: lol ... i still have one of those somewhere, but with half the ram |
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| 08:27.09 | Tidus | i think i'm using it as a doorstop |
| 08:27.11 | karsten | Tidus: Much less than that and aptitude / apt-get has real problems. |
| 08:27.17 | k-man | karsten, last night it dawned on me that running gnome on that puppy wasn't such a good idea and i switched to fluxbox and man, its like a new machine! |
| 08:27.17 | nvz | k-man: yeah terminatorX is for "scratching" and stuff you cant really get the effect using a mouse you need a turntable to get the right resolution of movement |
| 08:27.19 | k-man | its so much faster |
| 08:27.30 | Tidus | k-man: i'm running e17 |
| 08:27.41 | k-man | nvz, so you build some sort of turntable? |
| 08:27.50 | k-man | how does the turntable control terminatorx? |
| 08:28.13 | nvz | k-man: yeah the first one I built from one of those old shelf units with a turntable on top, the 2nd one I built out of an old broken cdrom drive |
| 08:28.17 | Netcad | VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0) <--- what could cause this? |
| 08:28.20 | MatBoy | Has someone used openGFS already ? |
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| 08:28.44 | linx00 | test |
| 08:28.46 | nvz | k-man: well obviously you have to attach a character input device controller |
| 08:28.52 | k-man | Tidus, is that good? |
| 08:29.03 | nvz | k-man: preferably a mouse of some kind |
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| 08:29.31 | Tidus | k-man: i'm liking it so far. |
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| 08:29.38 | k-man | can you use ECC registered ram in a non ECC mb? |
| 08:30.08 | nvz | I never took the mini one I built from a cdrom drive to a working prototype because I lacked funding to get the rest of the parts and tools I needed to make it work |
| 08:30.15 | Guerin | k-man: should work |
| 08:30.24 | k-man | Guerin, you think? |
| 08:30.26 | nvz | it was just a display model.. |
| 08:30.52 | Tidus | k-man: it's nice and responsive, even on my old p3-450 file server |
| 08:31.14 | k-man | Tidus, interesting |
| 08:31.21 | nvz | I needed to take the slotted wheel contraption from the mechanical mouse I tore apart and attach it to the shaft of the cdrom so I could get optimal resolution then glue the infrared sensors around it in the case |
| 08:31.21 | Guerin | Tidus: not still horribly broken? |
| 08:31.24 | k-man | i'll give it a go maybe |
| 08:31.30 | Tidus | Guerin: there's 5 modules that wont build |
| 08:31.37 | Tidus | just rm and touch their makefiles, and you're good to go |
| 08:31.51 | nvz | I didnt have the tools to do that which would probably have been a drill and a glue gun |
| 08:31.59 | Guerin | Tidus: heh. That's a bit better than when I last tried it a year or so ago |
| 08:32.18 | nvz | soldering iron, and some extra electronic components and some wire |
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| 08:32.33 | Tidus | Guerin: it still has its bugs, but it's not horrendously broke |
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| 08:35.05 | nvz | what I did was take all the electronics out of the cdrom drive (internal IDE) pretty much everything but the tray and the lens/motor housing then I took the shaft with the cd holder thingy off and took the longer shaft that the lens moved on out and replaced the short one that was in there with the longer one, so it would stick out through the top of the case, then put the cd holder thingy back on and sat on of them "clear cd" thin |
| 08:35.55 | nvz | then of course you'd put the mouse IC board in there and take off the X axis componants and fix them to the shaft |
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| 08:36.14 | nvz | stick the wire out the back where the IDE connector was and rig the eject button up to the left mouse button |
| 08:36.26 | nvz | and you've got a mini turntable device |
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| 08:36.35 | Tidus | nvz: so basically, you were making a specialized mouse |
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| 08:37.53 | nvz | Tidus: yeah.. the only one I actually completed was a real turntable I took all the gears out and put two bolts up through the surface and took apart an Intellimouse.. they have two screw holes on the back side of the bottom plate.. and I stuck the bolts up through there with a nut on either side so you could adjust the height |
| 08:38.11 | Tidus | nvz: interesting |
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| 08:38.39 | nvz | Tidus: that wasnt the greatest but it worked.. the optical sensor has to be really really close to get a decent movement, and if its too close it rubs.. so its flaky |
| 08:38.57 | nvz | Tidus: seems like mechanical is the way to go.. either directly mouting the slotted wheel to the shaft on using a belt |
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| 08:39.06 | nvz | or even a series of differential gears |
| 08:39.09 | Tidus | nvz: maybe you could try poking around with its lens to give it a greater range |
| 08:39.25 | nvz | Tidus: yeah I could have.. but I wasnt thinking about that at the time |
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| 08:40.49 | nvz | Tidus: the big problem with trying to extend the range is loosing resolution on the scratching. that chip in there has a camera on the bottom of it, and it takes like 15,000 pictures a second and compares them the further you move it away the more light you have comming in and the less of the surface it can make out |
| 08:41.24 | Tidus | nvz: i can see that point |
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| 08:42.11 | dim | hi guys |
| 08:42.19 | Tidus | hello |
| 08:42.31 | nvz | Tidus: if I mounted it on the underside where there is no light and carefully detailed the bottom of the turntable so it had like a stripped pattern all the way around then maybe it would work |
| 08:42.48 | dim | anyone on the sid /dev/input problem? yesterday, modprobe'ing mousedev was enough for X to start again |
| 08:42.48 | Tidus | maybe so |
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| 08:42.52 | dim | today, no such luck |
| 08:42.58 | Caeies[taff] | hi all |
| 08:43.11 | Caeies[taff] | do I am the only one to get vim broken today ? |
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| 08:43.25 | ignem | Celelibi: hi! |
| 08:43.32 | Tidus | nvz: there's you an idea to try |
| 08:44.16 | deepz | guys i have R52 i am installing etch....netiso thru cd installer is not able to detect my cdrom |
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| 08:45.32 | nvz | Tidus: any way you look at it the optical idea stinks. I have dozens of ideas for a mechanical approach that seem more promising. the optical one worked really well but would need recalibrated often. with a mechanical approach I think you would get the best resolution and even have the option of easily changing the resolution just by changing the gear ratio or the belt |
| 08:46.09 | cydork | deepz: sata cdrom drive? |
| 08:46.19 | Tidus | nvz: yah, i can see that a bit. |
| 08:46.48 | nvz | Tidus: and the only maintainence on that would be replacing the belt or gears if they broke.. and the idea of mounting the slotted wheel on the shaft and putting the sensors around it is almost fool proof should never break. but you would have to make any adjustments in the software or get a different sized wheel |
| 08:47.07 | deepz | cydork:not sure....this is what i can understand from XP HL-DT-ST |
| 08:47.11 | Tidus | nvz: i'm liking your idea |
| 08:47.23 | deepz | cydork :this is the model number in windows |
| 08:47.58 | cydork | deepz: so your cdrom boots and then it cant find the cdrom right? if yes check /msg dpkg etch sata |
| 08:48.12 | nvz | yeah I'm full of good ideas, and I've built some downright crazy things in my day.. I had infrared networking before pcs were even using such things :P |
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| 08:49.38 | deepz | cydoek:yes |
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| 08:49.56 | nvz | I cant give away _all_ my secrets cause I still have plans of going into embedded systems development.. and creating a vintage looking piece of studio quality sound equipment is on the top of the list |
| 08:50.45 | MatBoy | can I just remove a parition form a running disk with fdisk ? It's the last one in the set, I want to make 2 off it. |
| 08:50.50 | MatBoy | off=of |
| 08:50.50 | jester- | hi upgrading sid dpkg return error segmemtation fault and noting work anymore can anyone help me ? |
| 08:51.00 | nvz | I want to take those old radios like the one I tore apart for my turntable and rip all the electronics out of it and wire it _all_ up as character input and write drivers for it so it will work much like it originally did but will be running on linux |
| 08:51.13 | cydork | deepz: the work around for that is give at the site mentioned in /msg dpkg etch sata |
| 08:51.32 | Caeies[taff] | jester-, check that your /var is not full |
| 08:51.48 | Caeies[taff] | then download again the package |
| 08:52.09 | deepz | cydork:thks...its almost done.. i have the solution |
| 08:52.30 | deepz | cydork:il try it practically |
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| 08:53.06 | nvz | my main areas of interest are audio equimpent, gaming, and networking.. mostly vintage style audio and gaming, and as for embedded networking I am looking to make small embedded devices to attache everything you own to your home network.. dont need to buy a fancy fan with a remote.. just plug this device into your fan's switch box and cover it over with a solid plate and control it from your pc's remote :) |
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| 08:53.20 | jester- | Caeies[taff]: i can make something only login sid directory as chroot now |
| 08:53.26 | beanz | With a raid 1 setup, is the same disk read for booting the kernel every time? |
| 08:54.20 | nvz | I am dying to setup a budget for a vintage style arcade machine that doubles as a vintage style jukebox all around home entertainment kind of thing and try keep the external look and feel as vintage as possible |
| 08:54.36 | sprink | nvz. just curious.. you've heard of emdebian right? |
| 08:55.07 | nvz | I got sources for parts and stuff when it comes to arcade machines and jukeboxes.. my cousin has worked on them for years.. I just need some money to put into it. |
| 08:55.59 | sprink | nvz. if thats your thing.. you should look at http://www.emdebian.org/ if you haven't already |
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| 08:56.34 | nvz | sprink: not really. I'm still working on learning more about the linux kernel and electronics. what I know now is just from being around people who worked in the field.. like my cousin who works on arcade machines, or my dad that did tv/vcr repair when I was a kid.. I have no formal traning in that area at this point |
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| 08:57.27 | nvz | I know enough to screw around with stuff.. but when I get online and start looking at embedded platforms that are available I lack some understanding about what I need and how to make it work |
| 08:57.52 | nvz | there are all kinds of companies out there selling chips and even complete computer boards. |
| 08:57.56 | sprink | I just recently found out about emdebian. looks cool |
| 08:59.45 | MatBoy | nvz, are you good with partitions on live systems ? |
| 08:59.47 | nvz | I think I may get my high school buddies together and work on a robot or something to get my feet wet with things like this.. cause there are all sorts of mechanical, electrical, and software issues in that. |
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| 09:00.28 | nvz | I got Steve that's an engineer and Charlie that's a physics major, and Chris that is a software engineer |
| 09:00.36 | fyrestrtr | nvz: I gave up. |
| 09:00.44 | fyrestrtr | the kernel won't compile on this machine for whatever reason. |
| 09:00.47 | nvz | and Charlie asked me many times before about building a robot and I never wanted to :P |
| 09:00.48 | fyrestrtr | it just hardlocks the machine. |
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| 09:01.00 | sprink | nvs. I started with micro-controllers, specifically a bstamp. but that was a litte too easy. got bored quick |
| 09:01.04 | sprink | nvz* |
| 09:01.16 | nvz | MatBoy: I am not even sure what you are talking about |
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| 09:01.48 | nvz | sprink: there is an open robot project I stubled upon the guy even wrote some kernel drivers and stuff he's released code for |
| 09:02.20 | MatBoy | nvz, I have a raid1 system (SWraid) where I want to change the last Partition in 2 parts. I thought to break the MD for that partition and remove it and make a new one |
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| 09:02.33 | MatBoy | on both drives and sync it again |
| 09:02.37 | sprink | nvz. I think I know which one you're talking about. It was mostly in C and he used a laptop as the brains of his robot |
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| 09:02.56 | nvz | though Chris just recently signed on at Microsoft and I really havent talked to him much since he taught me to program back in gradeschool.. so I dont know really where he is or if he's interested in this sort of thing or not |
| 09:03.17 | nvz | sprink: na thats not it. this used a full pc running linux |
| 09:03.28 | Caeies[taff] | jester-, hmm sorry, was thinking that you was only doing an apt-get upgrade |
| 09:03.34 | fyrestrtr | nvz: I'm going to try and compile it on another non-debian machine. |
| 09:03.47 | sprink | a full pc? a desktop? thats a little big.. I'd think. lol |
| 09:03.55 | sprink | hell. I thought a laptop was big |
| 09:04.08 | nvz | I'm gonna have to have someone get hold of Chris for me.. I need to see what he's up to these days and how that whole microsoft thing is going. |
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| 09:04.21 | nvz | sprink: the robot is huge.. its on like a 3 tier shelf |
| 09:05.10 | sprink | nvz. the first robotic thing I ever created was a robotic arm that flicked my lights on and off from my computer :P |
| 09:05.26 | sprink | it sat on my desk right by my light switch |
| 09:05.36 | cydork | nvz: hey you have link for the project, i was interested in doing somting like that. |
| 09:05.55 | cydork | nvz: but was too lazy to start from scrach :P |
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| 09:06.42 | corresponder | hi |
| 09:07.05 | jester- | Caeies[taff]: i was just upgrading sid and apt processing and unpacking packages has stopped saing Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. |
| 09:07.09 | wols | fyrestrtr: what kind of error(s) do you get? |
| 09:07.17 | nvz | cydork: I am looking for it.. though I dont recall even what it was called |
| 09:07.47 | cydork | nvz: damn you, how can you forget :) |
| 09:09.03 | fyrestrtr | wols: I don't know, because my system just hardlocks. |
| 09:09.22 | fyrestrtr | and its not a hardware issue, as it has been running solid for the past -- oh I dunno, 6 months? |
| 09:09.29 | wols | fyrestrtr: unstable system |
| 09:09.40 | Caeies[taff] | jester-, and you deconnect ? |
| 09:09.58 | wols | that doesn't mean shit. a kernel compile is the canonical test for hardware under linux: it's the most stressful thing a normal machine ever does |
| 09:10.01 | nvz | cydork: well I at least remember what he looked like.. i am using google image search.. this is him ttp://img.linuxexpres.cz/2005/6/roboti/oap.jpg |
| 09:10.16 | fyrestrtr | wols: you mean, other than running two databases? |
| 09:10.21 | wols | really check your hardware. temps, memtest, etc |
| 09:10.41 | wols | fyrestrtr: yes, other than running two databases. which is mostly disk I/O and not stressful at all |
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| 09:11.24 | jester- | Caeies[taff]: yes |
| 09:11.26 | nvz | cydork: http://oap.sourceforge.net/ project website |
| 09:11.29 | wols | your database won't peg the CPU at 100% for long periods of time for example |
| 09:11.35 | sprink | nvz and cydork |
| 09:11.36 | sprink | http://quickwired.com/kallahar/stories/2004-Aug01/robotwarez.php |
| 09:11.37 | cydork | nvz: got it :) |
| 09:11.45 | sprink | that's the one I was talking about |
| 09:11.58 | Caeies[taff] | jester-, good luck |
| 09:12.05 | jester- | Caeies[taff]: is it not a bug? |
| 09:12.07 | cydork | nvz: so i guess i will start saving now :) |
| 09:12.11 | sprink | source code and schematics are provided :) |
| 09:12.40 | cydork | sprink: hmm seems like good start too |
| 09:12.42 | Caeies[taff] | jester-, probably not |
| 09:12.43 | nvz | cydork: he's got two webcams for eyes and his nose is an infrared sensor, then he's also got two sonar sensors I think those are on his head, and a number of them on the bottom to help stop him from falling down steps or something |
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| 09:12.56 | fyrestrtr | wols: okay, I have now I brand new machine, lets see how it goes, its really getting to be a bit of a ... pain in the posterior. |
| 09:13.27 | sprink | cydork. it's probably a better starting place.. not as complex as the other robot |
| 09:13.31 | man_in_shack | is there a debian installer with pci-express support? |
| 09:13.50 | man_in_shack | and sata for that matter |
| 09:14.02 | wols | man_in_shack: what would you need that for? or asked otherwise: what's so special about PCI-E? |
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| 09:14.08 | man_in_shack | heh |
| 09:14.09 | jester- | Caeies[taff]: deconnected because nothing did work anymore in apt and dpk and making i got this msg dpkg --configure -a |
| 09:14.10 | jester- | Segmentation fault |
| 09:14.10 | jester- | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.14 | man_in_shack | sata then :) |
| 09:14.17 | sprink | man_in_shack. yes. |
| 09:14.21 | cydork | sprink: ya i guess so, and it will cheap too :P |
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| 09:14.43 | sprink | man_in_shack. I dont remember about the sarge installer. but the installer in etch has a kernel with sata and scsi support |
| 09:14.54 | man_in_shack | i have etch beta 2 netinstall but it can't find my dvd. r55 laptop |
| 09:15.06 | cydork | man_in_shack: check /msg dpkg etch sata |
| 09:15.10 | wols | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 09:15.11 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 09:15.42 | cydork | man_in_shack: those options should work for sata cd/dvd drive |
| 09:15.48 | sprink | man_in_shack. hence why it's still beta. it's not working that great yet. I couldn't get my dvd drive working either :P |
| 09:15.49 | man_in_shack | ok |
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| 09:16.15 | sprink | my sata hdd worked out of the box though. |
| 09:16.19 | liable | man_in_shack: r55? thinkpad? |
| 09:16.23 | man_in_shack | ahh libata pwnz j00 :) |
| 09:16.30 | sprink | yup. hehe |
| 09:16.35 | nvz | uh oh, if the room is carpeted the sonar sensors may fail to read :P |
| 09:16.35 | man_in_shack | oops sorry, benq r55 :) |
| 09:16.37 | wols | man_in_shack: and what kernel did your etch installer use? |
| 09:17.03 | man_in_shack | i'm not sure, it's the beta 2 installer |
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| 09:17.49 | wols | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 09:17.51 | wols | read the faq |
| 09:17.58 | liable | 2.6.15 for beta2 |
| 09:18.20 | sprink | I just really hope etch is using 2.6.17 when it becomes stable. else i'll be pissed |
| 09:18.40 | liable | it should be.. |
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| 09:19.02 | Guerin | are there any bandwidth usage calculators other than bandwidthd? |
| 09:19.24 | wols | ipac-ng, ntop, iptraf, etc |
| 09:19.30 | wols | or what do you mean? |
| 09:19.51 | masadd | can i make an NTFS partition as my /home in debian? |
| 09:19.51 | man_in_shack | http://www.rfi.net/suse-on-benq.html << :| |
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| 09:20.19 | wols | masadd: yes you can, as long as you don't want to write to your /home... |
| 09:20.20 | liable | man_in_shack: have you checked linux-laptop.net? |
| 09:20.22 | Guerin | i mean something which will automatically run in the background, and tell me how much data has gone over an interface for the past day/week/month |
| 09:20.23 | wols | so parcially: no |
| 09:20.30 | masadd | i want to write... :( |
| 09:20.35 | SlayerXP | masadd: that would be a very very stupid thing to do, given the state of writing to NTFS partitions under linux |
| 09:20.38 | sprink | masadd. you could be you need a special ntsf module to write to ntfs. and it requires rebuilding the fs everytime you write to it :( |
| 09:20.39 | wols | *ptractically |
| 09:20.43 | man_in_shack | question: would it be a good idea to get the first disc of a full set or the netinst? |
| 09:20.45 | wols | masadd: that's not possible under linux |
| 09:20.55 | man_in_shack | liable, didn't think of that 8) |
| 09:20.57 | sprink | yes it is wols |
| 09:21.07 | Guerin | man_in_shack: why keep ntfs anyway? Nuke it, it's shite. |
| 09:21.08 | corresponder | man_in_shack, netinst |
| 09:21.08 | masadd | wtf...ok...i will think about another way...thanx |
| 09:21.18 | wols | man_in_shack: I already told you the solution to your problem. your choice if you don't care |
| 09:21.27 | Guerin | sprink: only if you hate your data. |
| 09:21.35 | man_in_shack | wols, i haven't got the solution working yet |
| 09:21.37 | Guerin | man_in_shack: get back in the shack, jack |
| 09:21.38 | corresponder | *g* |
| 09:21.44 | sprink | well. I agree. it'd be a stupid thing to do. but it is possible. |
| 09:22.00 | man_in_shack | also, libata.atapi_enable=1 did nothing on beta 2 |
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| 09:22.56 | man_in_shack | wols, did i say i want to install sarge anyways? |
| 09:23.23 | corresponder | daont do it |
| 09:23.27 | corresponder | -a |
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| 09:23.29 | wols | you want to install debian |
| 09:23.31 | cydork | man_in_shack: i guess that works on beta 3 |
| 09:23.39 | _massimo | hi to all |
| 09:23.51 | corresponder | hi |
| 09:23.59 | man_in_shack | cydork, might it have something to do with the specific sata chipset or is libata more generic? |
| 09:24.27 | wols | it has to do with the way intel designed their ATA controller(s) |
| 09:24.50 | _massimo | Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.. |
| 09:24.50 | Guerin | masadd: then change to a real filesystem. |
| 09:24.57 | _massimo | i've a problem about mysql on etch: when i start mysql with his script, I obtain Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.. |
| 09:25.13 | man_in_shack | what chipset does intel core duo use? |
| 09:25.32 | wols | i965/i975 |
| 09:25.35 | Guerin | intel core duo is a cpu, not a chipset |
| 09:25.48 | wols | Guerin: but it uses a chipset |
| 09:25.49 | man_in_shack | i mean is it emt64 or ia64 or what? |
| 09:25.59 | wols | and won't work with other chipsets, at least not other intel ones |
| 09:26.00 | liable | but more than likely an intel mobo chipset |
| 09:26.14 | man_in_shack | liable, that it is |
| 09:26.19 | man_in_shack | most of the hardware in it is intel |
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| 09:26.26 | man_in_shack | nvidia graphics 8) |
| 09:27.08 | liable | thats a good thing? :P |
| 09:27.14 | wols | emt64 and ia64 are no chipsets btw, they're fancy names for instruction sets architectures |
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| 09:31.54 | nvz | cydork: yeah thats the nicest robot project I seen as it shows use of a standard PC (well miniITX or the like) and has just about every kind of sensory input you could imagine and movement even a docking station and all schematics and code are available its very well documented.. all you could really ask for is completing the speech recognition and maybe adding some arms which could get tricky |
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| 09:33.00 | clockwatching | hi guys, i'm using etch atm. I also have a sarge box where apt-move has created a repo on it on a local web server. How should i go about setting up an apt-move repo for etch on the same machine, without having to worry about clobbering? I'm afraid that apt-move won't facilitate different releases |
| 09:33.14 | nvz | cydork: definatly gives you a nice starting point if you are interested in making a robot and dont want to start completly from scratch |
| 09:33.36 | cydork | nvz: yep that's true. |
| 09:34.01 | cydork | nvz: m thinking about sphinx for voice recog. |
| 09:34.11 | cydork | nvz: have to try it first. |
| 09:34.13 | nvz | cydork: I am not familiar with the I2C stuff though.. I've seen it in the kernel config but I dont really know anything about it |
| 09:34.42 | nvz | I sure as hell never seen an "I2C Port" |
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| 09:35.15 | RubenGA | Hi, using apt-get o dpkg what is the way to delete this? I can't see the complet name of pakage!! |
| 09:35.24 | RubenGA | rc libapache-mod- 1.2.5-2 Apache 1.3 connector for the Tomcat Java ser |
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| 09:36.02 | clockwatching | RubenGA: dpkg --get-selections | grep libapache-mod |
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| 09:36.22 | nvz | cydork: I find it interesting after looking over the sonar controller that they signal one at a time on oppisite sides each time and only when it moves which is smart. makes sure power consumption is minimal and its looking each way at least 10 times a second for obsticals |
| 09:36.47 | cydork | RubenGA: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep libapache-mod |
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| 09:37.56 | clockwatching | have any of you installed the tango iconset for gnome on etch? |
| 09:38.05 | cydork | nvz: humm interesting. |
| 09:38.07 | clockwatching | I'd like to know which steps i should take to do so |
| 09:38.53 | RubenGA | cydork: works now, Is bad to put in my .bashrc this trick? |
| 09:39.00 | RubenGA | export COLUMNS=200 ? |
| 09:39.09 | RubenGA | thanks cydork :) |
| 09:39.57 | cydork | RubenGA: np. and you dont need it always. |
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| 09:40.35 | RubenGA | well, maybe someday I forget this tip hehehe :9 |
| 09:40.38 | RubenGA | :) |
| 09:40.54 | PiRaSSiC | hi everyone: i need some info about distributed filesystems and clustering / failover: |
| 09:41.00 | PiRaSSiC | anyone has implemented GFS ? |
| 09:41.12 | PiRaSSiC | is it in the official kernel sources? |
| 09:41.16 | nvz | cydork: I dont really know how much of the software is done though beyond some drivers for the various controllers.. like I dont know if its able to do much of anything useful with the heat sensor or visual info.. but it seems they have started working on basic mapping. it shows that the robot considers itself to take up a 20ft radius from the center of the two front wheels even though its square and not quite that large |
| 09:41.41 | nvz | er 20inches rather |
| 09:41.44 | nvz | heh |
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| 09:42.22 | nvz | man doesnt look like I am doing any more sleeping tonight.. the sun should be up any minute |
| 09:42.51 | PiRaSSiC | anyone here uses GNBD ? |
| 09:42.56 | cydork | nvz: hehe i have the same problem too :) |
| 09:43.54 | karsten | PiRaSSiC: GNDB? |
| 09:44.05 | nvz | I dont know how much of a problem it is.. I thought I would be working tonight.. but since I am suspended I wont be working until daytime now.. cause I am having to switch gears.. which is no skin off my back I can probably make 3 times as much if I go do a little roofing instead |
| 09:44.39 | PiRaSSiC | Global Network Block Device |
| 09:44.48 | cydork | nvz: suspended? |
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| 09:45.01 | karsten | PiRaSSiC: Nope ;-) |
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| 09:45.26 | nvz | cydork: yeah I guess I had Andy figured wrong... he does have enough balls to write me up.. just not to say it to my face is all.. heh he made chris do it |
| 09:45.26 | karsten | PiRaSSiC: http://lwn.net/Articles/91933/ |
| 09:45.37 | karsten | PiRaSSiC: What's your question anyhow? Not that I can answer |
| 09:46.04 | nvz | cydork: all I can say is I hope they dont think a 3 day suspension would hurt me especially when I had the next two days off anyhow |
| 09:46.21 | cydork | nvz: :) |
| 09:46.27 | PiRaSSiC | my question is: what's the best method to create a failover, clustered, and shared access filesystem between server nodes -- without using shared storage -- ? |
| 09:46.43 | cydork | nvz: check http://www.robots.net/proj/ it has nice list of many projects. |
| 09:46.54 | nvz | I'm too strong to be hurt that easily.. I sensed this would or could happen and I paid all my bills months ahead and found other sources of income |
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| 09:48.07 | cydork | PiRaSSiC: i dont know about gnbd, but drbd can let you have a raid 1 over network. |
| 09:48.35 | PiRaSSiC | yes, but with drbd you cannot mount the slave filesystem. |
| 09:48.52 | PiRaSSiC | i'd like a shared storage with an active/active configuration |
| 09:49.08 | PiRaSSiC | drbd only implements failover and high availability through heartbeat |
| 09:49.34 | cydork | PiRaSSiC: yep.. that's true. |
| 09:49.53 | roxy_ | is that true: character device have only 1 I/O address when block device got more than 1 . |
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| 09:50.19 | PiRaSSiC | so my question is: is it possible to have a gnbd export + gfs without a shared storage? |
| 09:51.49 | cydork | PiRaSSiC: i think you should ask it on #linux-cluster |
| 09:52.01 | PiRaSSiC | ok |
| 09:52.04 | PiRaSSiC | i'll try |
| 09:52.05 | PiRaSSiC | thanks |
| 09:52.06 | cydork | PiRaSSiC: they might know much about those issues. |
| 09:52.55 | nvz | hmm I think I need to walk my ass across town here soon since the battery is dead in the car.. go pickup my tool belt and shake the dust off it and go make some money |
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| 09:55.15 | nvz | what I should have done is got some sleep while I had the chance.. damn IRC |
| 09:55.46 | enouf | clockwatching: seen apt-cache show mini-dinstall (look also at 'debarchiver' , and for only very large repos (1000s of pkgs) see 'dak') - though apt-move says '_optionally_ removing obsolete packages' |
| 09:55.51 | nvz | technically I still got the time.. but I dont get paid to sleep |
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| 09:56.12 | zChris | what cd do i need to just install debian so it works? |
| 09:56.22 | cydork | zChris: netinstall |
| 09:56.37 | cydork | nvz: so you are broke i guess :0 |
| 09:56.38 | zChris | cydork, url ! ;) |
| 09:56.45 | cydork | s/0/) |
| 09:56.53 | sprink | debian.org |
| 09:57.12 | zChris | ok |
| 09:57.13 | nvz | cydork: yeah basically.. more like I'd have to save up to be broke.. but I got a pay comming friday but thats no reason to stop making money just cause you already made a few dollars |
| 09:57.13 | zChris | ill try it out |
| 09:57.14 | sprink | cd 1 will do |
| 09:57.19 | cydork | zChris: netinstall is best if you have a good net connection. |
| 09:57.49 | zChris | cydork, yeah i have 5Mbit up and down, how long time do you think it will take with gnome ? |
| 09:57.57 | fyrestrtr | nvz: okay, so here is what I am going to do. I have another PC. No operating system on it, but network card is detected. What is the easiest way for me to compile a kernel for the laptop with the network card support? |
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| 09:58.20 | nvz | zChris: depends on how fast you can hit enter |
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| 09:58.30 | zChris | :P |
| 09:58.31 | clockwatching | enouf: so apt-move can't handle multiple distributions? |
| 09:58.46 | nvz | zChris: thats about the only thing that will slow you down unless you pc may slow a little unpacking things |
| 09:59.11 | zChris | nvz, good sounds promising |
| 09:59.13 | nvz | fyrestrtr: I already told you half a dozen times how to compile the kernel. |
| 09:59.35 | zChris | nvz, ive got a amd64, should i take the i386 or x86 anyway? |
| 09:59.45 | enouf | clockwatching: not sure, read the docs - /usr/share/doc/packagename usually - and man apt-move - I only see what apt-cache show tells me. since it's not installed here |
| 10:00.04 | nvz | zChris: yeah. debian is supporting amd64 now but I am willing to bet its a bit flaky right now |
| 10:00.08 | sprink | zChris, i386 is x86. |
| 10:00.17 | enouf | !troutsmite fyrestrtr |
| 10:00.30 | enouf | bah bad bot! |
| 10:00.52 | nvz | !slap enouf |
| 10:00.58 | cydork | :) |
| 10:00.59 | nvz | maybe thats not the trout factoid |
| 10:01.05 | enouf | heh ... |
| 10:01.08 | nvz | !listvals trout |
| 10:01.09 | zChris | nvz, yeah, havent been a to good experience with gentoo amd atm |
| 10:01.11 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'trout' by value (13): masquerading ;; CMD: mircslap (.*?) ;; CMD: kill (.*?) ;; john : this ;; masq ;; CMD: fish (.*?) ;; CMD: fishsmite (.*?) ;; freeswan ;; walleye ;; fish! ;; ipmasquerade ;; ~mircslap #DEL# ;; trout. |
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| 10:01.25 | raj | my mail box get locked |
| 10:01.27 | enouf | !fushsmite nvz |
| 10:01.30 | wols | zChris: unless you have a really good reason to go 64bit (like needing more than 3.5GB mem for a single process), you shouldn't use 64bit debian |
| 10:01.32 | raj | how to solve this probleam |
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| 10:01.33 | enouf | !fishsmite nvz |
| 10:01.41 | enouf | blasted typos |
| 10:01.57 | nvz | raj: goto the post office and tell them to give you a P.O. Box key |
| 10:02.13 | wols | raj: locked by what? I assume your mail file in /var/spool/mail/ ? |
| 10:02.38 | raj | i am getting /var/mail/user.lock lock bizzy |
| 10:03.00 | nvz | !yinzersmite enouf |
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| 10:03.16 | enouf | !confuse nvz |
| 10:03.16 | dpkg | Yes, who is my mushroom today, nvz? lederhosen of the democracy of micronesia with extra cream |
| 10:03.57 | petemc | raj: that will happen with mboxes |
| 10:04.09 | raj | what i have do |
| 10:04.28 | petemc | raj: how long has it been locked for? |
| 10:04.45 | raj | 3 hr |
| 10:04.54 | petemc | you could rm the lock file |
| 10:05.06 | nvz | I suppose while I am sitting around I can plug my phone in so it has a charge when I leave. |
| 10:06.07 | enouf | nvz : not one for gossip - but whatcha working on? ... less interested in --> that's somewhat in conjunction with another? |
| 10:06.31 | nvz | enouf: working on? |
| 10:07.02 | enouf | nvz: you were talking robotics? - adn then suspended |
| 10:07.25 | enouf | nvz: or synthesized speech ? |
| 10:07.46 | enouf | PM is ok |
| 10:08.23 | nvz | enouf: oh I am not working on anything.. its just I have theorized my re-entry to the tech world to be in the field of embedded linux.. which has pre-requisites in understanding the linux kernel, and electronics.. so I figured maybe getting my highschool buddies together and building a robot would be an interesting chance to get my feet wet in that area |
| 10:09.09 | tijn | hey, how do i lock a user in its home dir? |
| 10:09.21 | nvz | enouf: between the 4 of us I am sure we can build a damn robot, Steve is into machining and engineering, charlie is a physics major, and chris is a software engineer.. so it seem slike I got my bases covered |
| 10:09.29 | enouf | nvz: ahhh .. sounds like a decent plan - very nice ;-) recently I'm trying to read up about building modules |
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| 10:10.41 | cydork | nvz: hey just found out about this http://www.compulab.co.il/x270/html/x270-cm-datasheet.htm seems like a good platform for a robot. |
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| 10:10.54 | nvz | not to mention if we work well enough together on something like that we can start up our own business.. I dont like the idea of Chris working at Microsoft now as it is.. but I kind of always knew thats where he would end up.. his dad worked for IBM IIRC |
| 10:10.57 | tapas | is modprobe.conf not relevant if using 2.6.x kernel? |
| 10:11.12 | tapas | is only the files in modprobe.d relevant? |
| 10:11.37 | tapas | erm |
| 10:11.43 | clockwatching | nvz: he'd be hard to persuade, particularly if he's being paid well |
| 10:11.49 | tapas | s/modprobe.conf/modules.conf/ |
| 10:12.10 | clockwatching | nvz: I have mates who work for both Microsoft and Google |
| 10:12.20 | clockwatching | nice package ;) |
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| 10:12.41 | enouf | tapas: as I understand modprobe.conf is used in 2.6 by modprobe itself - this way, you don't need to use 'insmod /full/path/module' nor do you need to worry about module dendencies -- depmod |
| 10:12.45 | cydork | clockwatching: for both? |
| 10:13.02 | nvz | clockwatching: well like I was saying earlier we hadnt really talked much since gradeschool when he taught me to program.. so I dont really know what he's like anymore.. but I know for me and most of my other techie friends its more about science than money.. and if we got a good thing going I personally would rather be doing my own thing.. |
| 10:13.03 | clockwatching | cydork: ah, a bit ambiguous. |
| 10:13.12 | clockwatching | cydork: for either, i suppose |
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| 10:13.57 | nvz | my other friends keep in touch with him.. I managed to loose contact.. its easy for people to loose contact with me.. I move around a lot and change my mind freely |
| 10:14.08 | enouf | tapas: whoops - I mean modprobe uses '/lib/modules/'uname -r'/modules.dep - sorry |
| 10:14.43 | nvz | like right now I am changing my mind from sitting here B.S. to getting a move on.. so I can go make some money |
| 10:14.58 | nvz | just like that.. its all it takes.. |
| 10:15.42 | tijn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.50 | tapas | enouf: hmm, i don't have modprobe.conf at all. only modprobe.d |
| 10:16.04 | tapas | enouf: i just wonder about where to specify options for the alsa modules i use |
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| 10:16.22 | tapas | i added them to /etc/modutils/snd-ice1712 and ran update-modules |
| 10:16.38 | tapas | this was added to /etc/modules.conf but doesn't seem to have any effect |
| 10:16.47 | enouf | tapas: reread - I also corrected myself .. :-) no modprobe.conf here either |
| 10:16.52 | tapas | btw: how does modconf play into this? |
| 10:16.58 | tapas | enouf: hmm ok |
| 10:18.07 | tapas | brb, trying to see whether this was rigt now |
| 10:18.20 | enouf | tapas: I see - not sure entirely - read the comments in /etc/modules.conf |
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| 10:19.05 | tapas | oh i did |
| 10:19.11 | tarzeau | !mosh |
| 10:19.19 | enouf | tapas: I see - apoliogies about my lagging |
| 10:19.31 | tapas | ok, brb |
| 10:19.42 | enouf | !gothsmite tarzeau |
| 10:19.51 | tapas | if damn logout would work in debian's kde i would even be back faster |
| 10:19.53 | tapas | grmbl |
| 10:20.10 | zaarg | !mosh |
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| 10:20.41 | tarzeau | tapas: don't use kde! |
| 10:20.50 | pagey_kayaker | y? |
| 10:20.51 | eps | kde ftl |
| 10:21.06 | pagey_kayaker | I am in gnome |
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| 10:22.42 | tapas | enouf: that seems to have done the trick |
| 10:23.00 | tapas | [adding the files i originally added to /etc/modutils/ to /etc/modprobe.d/] |
| 10:23.19 | tapas | tarzeau: do use KDE! |
| 10:23.46 | enouf | tapas : ahhh ...very nice - I was wondering if there was some dep issues perhaps |
| 10:23.46 | eps | y? |
| 10:23.57 | tarzeau | tapas: NEVER! |
| 10:24.04 | tapas | tarzeau: well, then don't! |
| 10:24.11 | tapas | tarzeau: have you ever tried it |
| 10:24.13 | tapas | ? |
| 10:24.24 | tapas | i tried pretty much all DE's and WM's that exist on linux |
| 10:24.25 | tarzeau | tapas: i tried it several times, yes |
| 10:24.27 | liable | bit like gay sex i spose :P |
| 10:24.33 | eps | lol |
| 10:24.36 | tarzeau | tapas: and i never liked it, just like GNOME |
| 10:24.38 | eps | tapas did you try DR17? |
| 10:24.46 | tapas | eps: nope |
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| 10:24.48 | tarzeau | tapas: tried amiwm? |
| 10:24.55 | tarzeau | eps: see he means pretty much all |
| 10:24.55 | man_in_shack | what kernel package is a good option for an intel centrino core duo? |
| 10:24.56 | tapas | tarzeau: i think so, yes |
| 10:25.01 | tarzeau | eps: and didn't try half of them |
| 10:25.08 | tarzeau | tapas: what is it like? |
| 10:25.10 | eps | kde is just a windows wm and I think the windows one is inefficient so I don't use kde |
| 10:25.19 | liable | man_in_shack: smp, but not hyperthreading |
| 10:25.19 | tarzeau | eps: exactly my thoughts |
| 10:25.25 | tarzeau | eps: just like GNOME too |
| 10:25.40 | liable | man_in_shack: pentium M |
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| 10:25.50 | eps | tarzeau I use GNOME, enlightenment DR17, black/fluxbox, and xfce w/ gnome panel |
| 10:25.56 | tapas | oh well, let's not get into the "this and that wm/de is the best" game |
| 10:26.02 | liable | omfg lol |
| 10:26.04 | tarzeau | eps: windowmaker/gnustep here OR fvwm2, amiwm |
| 10:26.04 | eps | kde is a kitchen sink and I only need a vm :) |
| 10:26.16 | tarzeau | eps: hehe :) |
| 10:26.27 | tapas | personally i like KDE [after being a longtime gnome user, after being a long time black/fluxbox user, after being a longtime fvwm2 user, after being a long time twm user] |
| 10:26.30 | eps | tarzeau a guy I know at uni loves fvwm2, is it worth checking out? what's it like compared to blackbox? |
| 10:26.40 | eps | twm...eww |
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| 10:26.48 | eps | cydork my flame thrower is at the ready :P |
| 10:26.49 | tarzeau | eps: it's very configurable (with config files). we have it here, i don't like it much |
| 10:26.55 | eps | oww azeem you're no fun :( |
| 10:26.55 | tapas | and some interludes with ratpoison, icewm and some other stuff i tried |
| 10:26.58 | tarzeau | eps: you can check the homepage of it |
| 10:27.08 | eps | tarzeau I might just install it and play |
| 10:27.19 | tarzeau | i haven't seen a war, only discussion with listing advantages and disadvantages |
| 10:27.20 | tapas | eps: fvwm2 is awesome if you take the time to configure it |
| 10:27.23 | eps | I have a friend who runs kde under mac |
| 10:27.24 | tapas | eps: which is a bitch |
| 10:27.44 | eps | I glare at him and run gnome in reply :P |
| 10:27.45 | azeem | tarzeau: I preemptively stopped the war, after you started trolling KDE |
| 10:27.53 | tarzeau | i didn't start trolling KDE |
| 10:28.01 | man_in_shack | litage, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 << that one do? |
| 10:28.06 | azeem | 12:13 < tarzeau> tapas: don't use kde! |
| 10:28.09 | eps | man_in_shack yes |
| 10:28.13 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 10:28.16 | azeem | totally gratuitious |
| 10:28.34 | tarzeau | well he was complaining about a feature of KDE |
| 10:28.43 | tarzeau | the solution is not to use it, if he doesn't like that feature |
| 10:28.43 | liable | man_in_shack: um, me? |
| 10:28.47 | eps | azeem that is acceptable! it's like saying 'if it doesn't fit your needs don't use it' or 'quiet you useless windows user, crawl back to xp if you hate linux that much' |
| 10:28.48 | tarzeau | or go troll in #debian-kde |
| 10:28.50 | azeem | tarzeau: that's stupid |
| 10:28.50 | tapas | yes, one of the two aspects of kde in debian i don't like ;) |
| 10:29.00 | man_in_shack | liable, someone 8) |
| 10:29.07 | tarzeau | 12:23 < tapas> tarzeau: do use KDE! |
| 10:29.08 | liable | man_in_shack: get an smp one, its not available for .17 for reasons unbeknown to me |
| 10:29.10 | MatBoy | Why are the salesman of HP so f*cking stupid !!! |
| 10:29.21 | tarzeau | 12:19 < tapas> if damn logout would work in debian's kde i would even be back faster |
| 10:29.22 | tapas | tarzeau: that was a sarcastic response |
| 10:29.23 | tapas | ;) |
| 10:29.26 | eps | MatBoy that is an age old question |
| 10:29.27 | tarzeau | he uses KDE then says it's slow |
| 10:29.31 | tarzeau | THAT IS TROLLING |
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| 10:29.36 | tapas | who says it's slow? |
| 10:29.39 | eps | haha |
| 10:29.42 | tarzeau | tapas: YOU DO |
| 10:29.43 | man_in_shack | liable, Other Packages Related to linux-image-2.6-686-smp: [Depends] linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 10:29.45 | eps | kde is slow, it's a feature...not a bug :) |
| 10:29.46 | tapas | tarzeau: nope |
| 10:29.50 | tarzeau | 12:29 < tarzeau> 12:19 < tapas> if damn logout would work in debian's kde i would even be back faster |
| 10:29.52 | cydork | MatBoy: coz they are salesman :) |
| 10:29.54 | tarzeau | tapas: YES |
| 10:29.58 | man_in_shack | this is only temporary anyways until i can compile my own kernel |
| 10:29.59 | liable | man_in_shack: yes, get that one |
| 10:30.01 | tapas | tarzeau: yes, logout doesn't work right |
| 10:30.06 | MatBoy | eps, I have ordered twice a different printers with 3 papertrays... what do I get... 2 papertrays and 1 priority |
| 10:30.12 | tarzeau | !doesn't work |
| 10:30.13 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 10:30.14 | tapas | kde's "speed" [whatever that is] is wholly sufficient to me |
| 10:30.21 | tapas | work on your reading skills please |
| 10:30.22 | liable | man_in_shack: its a meta package which will give you the latest smp kernel |
| 10:30.26 | eps | tapas then why complain about it :P |
| 10:30.44 | tarzeau | tapas: try to keep your thoughts to yourself, if you can't take comments about them |
| 10:30.44 | tapas | eps: gnahrhr |
| 10:30.45 | tapas | ;) |
| 10:30.48 | tarzeau | FUCKTARD |
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| 10:30.52 | tapas | lol |
| 10:30.57 | eps | MatBoy that's about my experience with them...we don't buy HP at all at work any more outside of networking gear |
| 10:31.18 | tapas | wtf was that? |
| 10:31.19 | eps | if I'm not fired after todays outburst at a hopeless manager anyway :| |
| 10:31.21 | MatBoy | eps, damn... My client is waiting for this printer for weeks now :S |
| 10:31.34 | azeem | tarzeau is just immature |
| 10:31.35 | MatBoy | I will stick it up their ass I think :p |
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| 10:31.55 | niru | hello all |
| 10:31.59 | MatBoy | eps, ah... if it;s not longer than 5 min ;) |
| 10:32.00 | corresponder | hi |
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| 10:32.06 | eps | haha MatBoy :P |
| 10:32.12 | sprink | HP and IBM are the only computer brands I buy from, if I buy a desktop pre-built. |
| 10:32.14 | tapas | ok, gotta go. see you later |
| 10:32.26 | enouf | see ya |
| 10:32.26 | MatBoy | Cu ! |
| 10:32.39 | eps | sprink we are having such a good run with IBM/Lenovo at the moment, they are making godly desktops |
| 10:33.09 | sprink | eps. yup them are good machines. |
| 10:33.15 | eps | compared to the acer crap we've had to buy for the last contract period anyway :P |
| 10:33.20 | sprink | That they make* |
| 10:33.20 | niru | Is this the correct place to discuss about debian installer |
| 10:33.24 | clockwatching | IBM, sure, I don't know about the latest incarnation though |
| 10:33.34 | clockwatching | niru: debian-boot |
| 10:33.44 | niru | ya the d-i |
| 10:33.45 | sprink | Dont ever buy acer. that's like buying a walmart brand computer. |
| 10:33.51 | clockwatching | niru: ah, oftc though |
| 10:34.03 | cydork | niru: just ask |
| 10:34.06 | eps | sprink really? I would have thought it'd be worse...they are so shockingly bad |
| 10:34.12 | eps | and they use maxtor :| |
| 10:34.20 | niru | shall I ask my doubt here |
| 10:34.21 | eps | we had 38 maxtors die in one month! |
| 10:34.28 | niru | oftc? |
| 10:34.38 | eps | it's a network |
| 10:34.41 | cydork | niru: ask here.. |
| 10:34.42 | clockwatching | niru: as opposed to freenode |
| 10:34.44 | eps | they pretend every one knows what it is |
| 10:34.47 | eps | and where |
| 10:34.51 | eps | gets annoying often |
| 10:35.09 | sprink | !oftc |
| 10:35.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 10:35.10 | clockwatching | eps: pardon? |
| 10:35.30 | niru | I want to create a CD with debian etch and debian installer as the graphical installer |
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| 10:36.00 | clockwatching | niru: a livecd with a graphical installer? |
| 10:36.03 | eps | clockwatching here it is for you: No one knows what the hell oftc is, where it is, why they should go there, and why they can't just use here. if you want people to switch/go there give them more detail than just 'oftc' and advertise it. |
| 10:36.09 | sprink | niru. debian etch comes with the graphical installer. if i'm not mistkane |
| 10:36.13 | niru | No an installable CD |
| 10:36.24 | niru | you are correct |
| 10:36.31 | clockwatching | eps: my oftc comment was an afterthought |
| 10:36.34 | eps | grr graphical installers annoy me, they take longer to load and they are bloated :( |
| 10:36.37 | clockwatching | eps: I'm glad you noticed, though |
| 10:36.42 | cydork | niru: but why? do you want to add something to default install cd? |
| 10:36.59 | eps | clockwatching I see it repeated all the time though, it's getting annoying. the time I had to use it it took a bit of hunting to find as well |
| 10:37.01 | niru | I can add packages of my instead |
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| 10:37.10 | sprink | eps. I agree. I love the curses based installer that debian uses.. but the new gtk based installer they are working on (in testing) is actually acceptable by my standards. |
| 10:37.15 | cydork | niru: check /msg dpkg custom cd |
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| 10:37.32 | azeem | clockwatching: just just say "irc.debian.org" instead of oftc |
| 10:37.51 | sprink | eps. it beat the hell out of the crappy graphical installer ubuntu came out with |
| 10:37.56 | niru | cydork:do i need to give that in xchat |
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| 10:38.18 | eps | sprink I don't mind the new installer and I like it better than the alpha piece of shit that ubuntu released with...but I really don't see why it needs to be more graphical than it is at the expense of loading time...I guess I have to load OSes rather often and the eyecandy bores me, whereas new users would be impressed :| |
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| 10:38.42 | sprink | exactly eps |
| 10:38.44 | sprink | We both agree. |
| 10:38.56 | eps | clockwatching not having a go at you...just the ethos in this channel that 'people should have been around for the failed political move and know what oftc is' |
| 10:39.06 | eps | sprink yeah didn't look up from typing to agree instead :P |
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| 10:39.10 | clockwatching | azeem: duly noted. He asked for a support channel, and I gave him one. my oftc comment wasn't meant to be belittling. |
| 10:39.15 | azeem | eps: because people in India might want to install Debian as well? |
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| 10:39.34 | cydork | niru: yes |
| 10:39.35 | clockwatching | azeem: i only realised later that I wasn't in oftc, and that he wasn't either |
| 10:39.38 | azeem | clockwatching: sure, I just meant it helps reducing confusion |
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| 10:39.43 | niru | ok |
| 10:39.46 | eps | azeem so graphical just for unicode support? |
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| 10:39.58 | azeem | eps: it's a big part of why |
| 10:40.13 | azeem | you can't do text-mode with a lot of languages |
| 10:40.17 | eps | azeem oh, well, no that's a good reason then. classy |
| 10:40.45 | Guerin | azeem: was the curses installer not unicodeworthy? |
| 10:40.52 | Guerin | was/is |
| 10:41.02 | azeem | Guerin: not for all languages |
| 10:41.21 | azeem | it is unicode, sure |
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| 10:41.34 | azeem | but some languages are just too graphically complex |
| 10:41.34 | Guerin | azeem: right, I see. Just differing font requirements, etc. |
| 10:41.37 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 10:44.50 | sprink | its like reading a playboy.. useless without pictures |
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| 10:45.43 | sprink | imagine a text based playboy? Wouldn't be very popular |
| 10:45.56 | corresponder | ascii |
| 10:45.58 | corresponder | ;-P |
| 10:46.02 | eps | then again, playboy from the console with links |
| 10:46.13 | eps | cause everything is better in links...including links2 :D |
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| 10:46.39 | jelly-home | How do I mount a MMC card in Debian? I have a custom 2.6.17 kernel and sdhci driver, and when I insert a mmc card it appears in /sys/bus/mmc/devices, but I don't know where to go from there. Probably need udev entries? |
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| 10:46.45 | cydork | sprink: i totally agree with azeem, the gui installer will reach a larger group of people |
| 10:46.57 | sprink | hmm.. animated ascii porn using curses.. this could make some money. |
| 10:47.20 | sprink | cydork. I agree too. |
| 10:47.27 | man_in_shack | hmm ... stabbing yourself in the head with a spoon ... this could make some money |
| 10:47.32 | sprink | cydork. But the option to use the ncurses one should ALWAYS be there. |
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| 10:47.41 | eps | mmm is java in main yet? or isn't it opensource yet |
| 10:47.46 | sprink | cydork. and it should not be on a seperate disc. like ubuntu |
| 10:47.52 | cydork | sprink: it's there. and i think it will always be there. |
| 10:47.58 | sprink | ubuntu has 2 different installers, 2 different discs.. so lame. |
| 10:48.08 | liable | who said you have to use the graphical bit? |
| 10:48.14 | sprink | nobody. |
| 10:48.20 | cydork | sprink: now nowdays, they have only one cd which is live and install both |
| 10:48.23 | sprink | I was just saying.. It should stay like that. |
| 10:48.40 | azeem | cydork: you can download the old-style text-mode installer if you want |
| 10:48.47 | azeem | that doesn't make it "lame", of course |
| 10:48.56 | sprink | That's still lame azeem |
| 10:49.07 | azeem | that's offering an alternative |
| 10:49.11 | sprink | You need the right cd per desktop/wm. than the right cd per installer. |
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| 10:49.16 | azeem | do you have an idea how many CDs Debian offers? |
| 10:49.29 | eps | cydork incorrect they have two... the livecd/graphical installer (the prealpha rubbish they call an installer anyway, that rarely works) and an -alternative cd which is the old-but-broken-and-stupid-bits-fixed text installer |
| 10:49.30 | sprink | they should split ubuntu into 20 cds depending on your favorite color. |
| 10:49.39 | azeem | sprink: please take it to #ubuntu |
| 10:50.03 | sprink | azeem. wow. go away |
| 10:50.10 | azeem | sprink: no, you stop it |
| 10:50.23 | azeem | this channel is not about Ubuntu |
| 10:50.24 | sprink | You were just talking about ubuntu aswell. |
| 10:50.41 | sprink | dont be a hypocrit |
| 10:50.52 | azeem | I wasn't suggesting how Ubuntu should do their CD releases |
| 10:51.06 | sprink | I was joking.. you should have noticed that. |
| 10:51.14 | sprink | get a clue |
| 10:51.19 | jelly-home | sprink: ffs just drop it, it's not relevant |
| 10:51.39 | sprink | Sorry. azeem had no right to tell me to join another channel though. |
| 10:51.58 | wols | sprink: azeem is an op. he has lots of rights here... |
| 10:52.16 | azeem | sprink: I didn't tell you to leave here. Just to discuss Ubuntu in #ubuntu |
| 10:52.56 | sprink | Whatever. you're right. of course |
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| 10:53.04 | enouf | eps: I've seen java in all - see packages.debian.org/jave-package |
| 10:53.10 | enouf | java* |
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| 10:54.02 | enouf | jelly-home: is that an SCSI card? or what is that - some sort of Multi-Media Card? |
| 10:54.09 | jelly-home | enouf: java-package isn't java, it's a tool to make packages of j2re and j2sdk binaries. |
| 10:54.22 | enouf | jelly-home: ok |
| 10:54.23 | jelly-home | eno-zzz: MMC/SD reader, yes. |
| 10:54.26 | jelly-home | argh |
| 10:54.31 | jelly-home | enouf: MMC/SD reader, yes. |
| 10:54.47 | enouf | jelly-home: I see |
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| 10:56.37 | enouf | jelly-home: perhaps sudo modprobe -l | grep mmc wil show you some module you may need as well? |
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| 10:57.34 | cklaus | hummm.. anybody knows how i can retrieve the boot-sectors contents of a cd ? |
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| 10:57.49 | jelly-home | enouf: good guess! there's a mmc-block driver. |
| 10:57.57 | Ruede | cannot login with an LDAP account. LDAP account works with proftpd. what do i have to change to be able to login with LDAP user data ? |
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| 10:58.14 | enouf | jelly-home: udev is tricky indeed - but also see if 'lshal' can also yield you some useful info (another guess :-)) |
| 10:58.34 | cklaus | Ruede, probably you need pam-ldap installed and setup.. |
| 10:59.13 | enouf | cklaus: haven't tried it but have you tried 'dd' |
| 10:59.15 | Ruede | cklaus libpam-ldap ? |
| 10:59.30 | cklaus | Ruede, exactly.. |
| 10:59.44 | jelly-home | enouf: mmc-block was enough for a block device to appear, with all of its shiny 32MB of storage. Got it mounted already. Thanks for the tip! |
| 11:00.01 | cklaus | enouf, i took a look at it, but couldnt figure out how to retrieve the boot-sector.. thanks for the hint in any case |
| 11:00.11 | enouf | jelly-home: glad I could help :-) |
| 11:00.14 | Ruede | cklaus is there a MAN or something for libpam-ldap ? |
| 11:00.46 | enouf | cklaus: like dd if=/dev/hdd bs=512 count=1 | xxd |
| 11:00.49 | cklaus | Ruede, dunno.. but there are plenty of howtos on the net for getting libpam-ldap to work with shell auth |
| 11:01.19 | Ruede | i will have a look ^^ thnx |
| 11:01.23 | enouf | cklaus: I'll pop one in now and have a look too |
| 11:01.32 | cklaus | enouf, hmmm.. sounds sensible.. ill try to test it and look at it ;) |
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| 11:02.32 | tziku | what mail service recomand me ? |
| 11:03.39 | SerajewelKS | is there a FOSS equivalent of visio? |
| 11:03.58 | azeem | SerajewelKS: describe visio |
| 11:04.07 | azeem | that might help for getting suggestions |
| 11:04.10 | vorsprung | SerajewelKS, dia |
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| 11:04.34 | SerajewelKS | azeem: it's a diagram editor that does a lot of different types of diagrams: flow charts, ERDs, data flow, etc |
| 11:04.41 | SerajewelKS | vorsprung: dia is kinda... ick |
| 11:04.49 | enouf | cklaus: just looking at a bootable OEM cd and it's only showing zeros (various incantations of 'dd' using skip=63 even) .. :-( - it (code) must reside is certain sectors/pointers to those sub-sectors, or something |
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| 11:05.07 | eps | w00t +5 insightful on /. asking if mandrake is really just a waste of resources these days |
| 11:05.10 | vorsprung | SerajewelKS, Visio isn't a favourite of mine either |
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| 11:05.39 | tux | ? |
| 11:05.39 | SerajewelKS | vorsprung: mine either but it's a hell of a lot better than dia IMO |
| 11:05.47 | vorsprung | SerajewelKS, anyway..dia is the flowchart-ish thing on linux |
| 11:05.54 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: visio has a huge library of both MS and 3rd party elements, not sure you're going to find anything like that elsewhere. |
| 11:05.54 | tziku | what main service did somebody recomand me ? |
| 11:06.29 | enouf | cklaus: ahaaa! try this 'dd if=/dev/hdd bs=512 count=1 skip=64 | xxd' |
| 11:07.14 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: true, but i'd expect there to be a FOSS one by now (we have OOo after all) |
| 11:07.19 | jelly-home | tziku: mail as in mail sending and receiving, port 25 type? |
| 11:07.29 | tziku | yes |
| 11:08.02 | vorsprung | SerajewelKS, there is a tool like visio. It is called dia. If you don't like it then that's just too bad! |
| 11:08.03 | sprink | eps. that was the first distro I ever used. It's mandriva these days. mandrake was old-school |
| 11:08.11 | enouf | cklaus: even better 'dd if=/dev/hdd bs=512 count=2 skip=64 | xxd' (note count=2) |
| 11:08.15 | jelly-home | tziku: postfix is generally a good idea if you don't know where to start. Debian has exim by default and it's not bad either. |
| 11:08.36 | eps | sprink agreed, I switched over to debian full time two years ago though when it crashed and burned (became mandriva and they fucked over the userbase) |
| 11:08.40 | liable | exept the horrific configs.. |
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| 11:09.14 | tziku | jelly-home i need it for php....i need to send some mails from php... |
| 11:09.14 | jelly-home | not worse than sendmail.mc ;-) |
| 11:09.30 | vorsprung | SerajewelKS, the two things I don't like about dia are that it uses up all the RAM and it won't save as jpg |
| 11:09.36 | jelly-home | tziku: you probably already have it on your system. |
| 11:09.45 | eps | where is the plotting/installing of gnome 2.16 for debian at? |
| 11:09.54 | eps | and i want a channel not just a network! |
| 11:10.13 | jelly-home | eps: how new is 2.16? |
| 11:10.25 | eps | jelly 2-5 days? |
| 11:10.31 | liable | eps: file a wishlist bug and you will get your answer |
| 11:10.39 | tux | a |
| 11:10.39 | jelly-home | eps: you expect too much. |
| 11:11.08 | eps | no, I want to know where the devs are and what needs to be done to help test the experimental packages once they go up |
| 11:11.12 | eps | though I can't find any one working on it :( |
| 11:11.35 | liable | eps: yes, i am sure the developers want you bugging them.. |
| 11:11.55 | eps | liable testing != bugging |
| 11:12.07 | eps | testing == explosions! |
| 11:12.14 | jelly-home | eps: also, a wishlist bug is a nice resource for other people that come up with the same question. |
| 11:12.15 | liable | eps: so wait untill they are in experimental |
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| 11:13.58 | cklaus | enouf, thanks a lot :) |
| 11:15.30 | enouf | cklaus: ok ... now note a bs=1024 gives a totally diff ouput for some reason - so use the command as I tried (worked with a win98 oem bootable cd) .. you know about using the > for redirecting output to a file yes ? |
| 11:16.38 | eps | kernel update' |
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| 11:18.28 | enouf | cklaus: aha again ! the bs=1024 works the same if you halve the skip= amount - so 'bs=512 skip=64' count=2 --or-- 'bs=1024 skip=32' yields the same area of disk |
| 11:18.50 | enouf | + count=1 obviously :-) |
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| 11:19.45 | enouf | cklaus: I should say .. doh! instead - hehe |
| 11:19.57 | cklaus | enouf, yup i know about redirectors.. im simply unexperienced in cases of boot-media ;) but not regarding linux itself ,) |
| 11:21.13 | enouf | cklaus: cool ... just playing myself with all the available tools -- other closed-source crap sux in this regard |
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| 11:22.32 | cklaus | enouf, ;) |
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| 11:24.23 | Dave|id | installing a deb file, 'dpkg -i file.deb' doesn't resolve and install the dependancies... is there a command that does install the dependancies for me? |
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| 11:25.33 | Juice10 | hi, in what dir does apt-get install most of the files? |
| 11:26.28 | corresponder | in different |
| 11:26.28 | liable | Juice10: the binaries or the configs or the docs or.. ?? |
| 11:26.28 | tux | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.33 | corresponder | in /var/cache/apt/ are the binaries |
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| 11:26.41 | corresponder | of the installed packets |
| 11:26.49 | tux | Juice10, dpkg -L packagename to list the fils installed |
| 11:26.50 | corresponder | no, the packets |
| 11:26.51 | corresponder | *g* |
| 11:27.06 | Juice10 | I'm trying to install sqlite3 for my rails application |
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| 11:27.13 | geek_ | hello all |
| 11:27.24 | geek_ | someone use compiz + xgl ? |
| 11:27.25 | tux | hello, geek |
| 11:27.31 | Juice10 | I think I'm looking for the configs |
| 11:27.51 | tux | !tell geek_ ask |
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| 11:28.18 | Juice10 | ah thanks tux, that gave me what I was looking for |
| 11:28.30 | tux | Juice10, ok |
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| 11:31.27 | liable | geek_: if you follow the freedesktop.org page for xgl, it works (except some things are in git now) |
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| 11:32.23 | geek_ | liable: i have compiz couldn't open display :0 |
| 11:32.51 | benderz0r | who the hell redid how hdds are listed |
| 11:33.06 | epssy | can't even get the damn thing to boot |
| 11:33.29 | liable | geek_: google, you wont get much help here, as its not a debian package. try #Xgl |
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| 11:34.20 | cydork | epssy: shifting from 2.4 to 2.6 ? |
| 11:36.38 | Yamaraj | Anybody else having problems with SATA DVD drives? |
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| 11:37.35 | terr_ | any ideas what this might be (from df) tmpfs 321016 0 321016 0% /dev/shm |
| 11:37.56 | sprink | Yamaraj. in etch? yes |
| 11:38.07 | azeem | terr_: it's sysv shared memory |
| 11:38.12 | azeem | terr_: it's expected |
| 11:38.21 | terr_ | azeem what would use it? |
| 11:38.35 | terr_ | postgres? |
| 11:38.40 | azeem | terr_: read up on sysv shared memory |
| 11:38.41 | azeem | possibly. |
| 11:38.56 | terr_ | any ideas where the docs are? |
| 11:38.59 | Yamaraj | sprink: Yes, in Etch. Firstly, it doesn't detect the drive, and when forced to use libata, GNOME doesn't mount any discs. |
| 11:39.09 | terr_ | I never saw it b4. It was created June 7 by something. |
| 11:39.25 | azeem | it is pretty standard. |
| 11:39.50 | sprink | Yamaraj. Try using the 2.4 kernel. It seems only the 2.6 kernel in etch has problems |
| 11:40.06 | sprink | Yamaraj. Than you can maybe update the kernel after installation |
| 11:40.41 | terr_ | I have another question. My system is creating 1000's of zoombies. This happened after the u/g to sarge from woody. Has anyone found out what the problem is? |
| 11:41.59 | azeem | terr_: which process |
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| 11:42.22 | terr_ | azeem: I am trying to remember how to find the process which owns this. |
| 11:42.27 | sepone | terr_, look for the PPID of the ps in question and restart it. |
| 11:42.29 | Yamaraj | sprink: But SUSE or Ubuntu have no problems using the same 2.6.x kernels. |
| 11:42.45 | sepone | terr_, ps -lax |
| 11:42.47 | azeem | Yamaraj: they are not the same kernels |
| 11:42.53 | azeem | distributions modify the kernel |
| 11:42.55 | jelly-home | terr_: the /dev/shm tmpfs mount is normal for a 2.6 kernel. |
| 11:43.23 | Yamaraj | azeem: Yes. It's only a matter of what patches they've applied to their kernels. |
| 11:43.33 | azeem | right |
| 11:43.46 | azeem | so saying "it works on Ubuntu and SuSE for the same kernel version" is non-sensical |
| 11:43.48 | terr_ | I'm in a 2.4 kernel I think. I do not recall switching to 2.6 - however I probably did u/g the system a few months back. |
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| 11:44.35 | Yamaraj | azeem: Even after compiling the latest kernel with IDE disabled for SATA detection, GNOME doesn't automount discs. |
| 11:44.37 | sprink | Yamaraj. There are other factors. such as versions of udev, and other implementation differences |
| 11:44.37 | enouf | terr: perhaps some info /usr/share/man/man3/shm_open.3.gz -- use 'locate <item>' or see man pages when looking for info |
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| 11:45.53 | terr_ | 2.4.18-bf2.4 <--- 2.4 kernel |
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| 11:46.45 | jelly-home | terr_: hm. well, that manpage says /dev/shm is used even in 2.4 kernels (truth be told I don't remember seeing it). |
| 11:46.50 | terr_ | enouf I'll look it up later. I need to get some sleep soon. At least I have an idea what it is now. |
| 11:46.52 | enouf | terr_: also see 'mount' and /etc/mtab outputs - you'll see the shm entries and virtual fs mounts and their mount options |
| 11:46.54 | stew | !bf24 |
| 11:46.54 | dpkg | well, bf2.4 is boot floppies with a 2.4.x kernel. Read the install guide (ask me about "install guide"). Press F3 when the woody CD is at the boot: prompt for a list of images. |
| 11:47.02 | stew | hrm |
| 11:47.31 | jelly-home | stew: you thought I'd say install a new kernel NOW? ;-) |
| 11:47.32 | stew | terr_: that isn't a real kernel, that is an install kernel, /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 11:47.37 | stew | !idepci |
| 11:47.38 | dpkg | idepci is probably 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Jebus cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Do so now. |
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| 11:47.44 | jelly-home | s/I'd/it'd/ |
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| 11:47.50 | stew | jelly-home: i was expecting something like that one ^^ |
| 11:48.52 | MatBoy | has someone used drbd 0.8 with Debian ? |
| 11:49.17 | MatBoy | I see it's availabe in Etch, so I assume it's a little it stable ? |
| 11:49.26 | MatBoy | s/it/bit |
| 11:49.34 | dendrite | !anyone |
| 11:49.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 11:49.49 | terr_ | stew I see the last edit date on /etc/mtab is June 7. I do NOT recall editing this file. It has tmpfs in it. |
| 11:49.52 | stew | MatBoy: i've only toyed with it, you can try #drbd here and on oftc |
| 11:49.59 | MatBoy | dendrite, yeah yeah... there is no other way to ask something about usage/stability |
| 11:50.11 | jelly-home | terr_: that's the time the machine was booted up. |
| 11:50.12 | Yamaraj | sprink: What SATA problems are you having with Etch? |
| 11:50.15 | stew | terr_: mtab is changed by the kernel, not by humans. /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 11:50.22 | MatBoy | stew, It's very dead there... 5 users |
| 11:50.34 | MatBoy | including me :) |
| 11:50.36 | dendrite | MatBoy: Well, event asking 'does anyone...' will only get you a very thin slice of anecdotal info on that. |
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| 11:51.46 | MatBoy | dendrite, not the issue here... if I started my line different you wouldn't have done it |
| 11:51.47 | enouf | terr_: mtab is mount filesystem table |
| 11:52.02 | MatBoy | dendrite, when I was a noob.. OK... tell me... but you know I'm not |
| 11:52.16 | enouf | terr_: err .. mount table |
| 11:52.31 | MatBoy | stew, did you play with the 0.8 version or the 0.7 ? |
| 11:52.37 | enouf | terr_: fstab is the file system one :-) |
| 11:52.40 | dendrite | MatBoy: Yes, I would have. The real issue is that we'd love to help, but a question like "does anyone use" gives absolutely no traction for figuring out what you really want to know (i.e., is drdb stable enough for production use) |
| 11:52.55 | sprink | Yamaraj. dvd drive didn't get detected during installion using the 2.6 kernel. Try 2.4 (it worked for me, then I updated) 2.6 in etch seems to have some problems with hardware detection yet. |
| 11:53.00 | terr_ | enouf - yes - I know that. |
| 11:53.18 | MatBoy | dendrite, you even didn't read my line under it |
| 11:53.23 | terr_ | enouf I see dmesg has the time stamp Jun 7 so that is when it rebooted - power fail of course. |
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| 11:53.52 | enouf | terr_: didn't mean to come off as belittling |
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| 11:53.59 | dendrite | MatBoy: Whatever. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, I was not trying to offend you. |
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| 11:54.22 | MatBoy | dendrite, I know ;) but I give a person always 3 lines to make his story complete :) |
| 11:54.24 | sprink | Yamaraj. it's not common for a older kernel to have better detection, but hence why etch is still in testing. |
| 11:54.33 | terr_ | enouf - you didn't. On here one can never know the expertize someone might have. |
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| 11:54.40 | MatBoy | dendrite, it;s not that busy here.. |
| 11:54.42 | fyrestrtr | nvz: are you still here? |
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| 11:54.50 | Yamaraj | sprink: Same story! Are you sure kernel-2.4 would work fine with a ThinkPad R52? I mean, does it work correctly with all hardware. |
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| 11:55.21 | sprink | Yamaraj. I dont own a thinkpad. I don't know. |
| 11:55.28 | MatBoy | dendrite, something where you can help with.. wthat is oftc ? |
| 11:55.41 | dendrite | !oftc |
| 11:55.41 | fyrestrtr | Yamaraj: as a general rule, thinkpads are very well supported in linux. If you have any questions about specifics, check the thinkwiki |
| 11:55.41 | dpkg | i heard oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 11:55.54 | MatBoy | thanks ! |
| 11:56.13 | stew | MatBoy: forget oftc, there isn't a drbd channel there, i was confused |
| 11:56.28 | qdosh | ? |
| 11:56.33 | Yamaraj | fyrestrtr: I'm a regular visitor there, and it's full of the same SATA problem descriptions I seem to be having. :-) |
| 11:56.50 | MatBoy | stew, OK, no problem at all :) I was already looking on their site for some hours... but I have the idea that only Mailinglists are an option |
| 11:56.56 | fyrestrtr | I have a T43, no issues in Linux. |
| 11:57.05 | dendrite | MatBoy: One way to find out if a program has troubles is to dredge for recent posts on usenet (google groups) No news is good news, generally. |
| 11:57.37 | MatBoy | dendrite, that is a good advice :) I was googleing about it... never use google goups that much :) |
| 11:57.43 | MatBoy | good point |
| 11:57.47 | Yamaraj | fyrestrtr: Strange! T43 and R52 are almost the same. Are you sure your SATA DVD drive is working perfectly? |
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| 11:58.26 | terr_ | enouf - 1st hit "sysv shared memory linux" developer.postgresql.org/<wbr>docs/postgres/kernel-resources.html - 33k |
| 11:58.39 | fyrestrtr | Yamaraj: yeah, and they are *not* the same. I have R50, R52e, R52 and a Z60t. Very different stuff. |
| 11:58.52 | enouf | Yamaraj: curiously - how is your's not working 'perfectly' ? |
| 11:58.55 | fyrestrtr | Yamaraj: one of them has a 'sata to ata bridge' or something like that, this is the thing that causes the headaches. |
| 11:58.57 | MatBoy | BTW... I have a new proc with HT but forgor to enable SMP in my kernel some time ago when I needed a new one. What is the best idea to enable it ? Or take the latest kernel fro debain ? I'm on -15 now... runs OK... so tat's why I wonder what the best is :) |
| 11:59.21 | fyrestrtr | MatBoy: just reconfigure it with SMP support. |
| 11:59.39 | MatBoy | fyrestrtr, and compile it again ? |
| 11:59.44 | enouf | terr_: cool - I'll have a looksee myself - but it's off to shower now for me .. then out for the day - see ya folks |
| 11:59.49 | fyrestrtr | MatBoy: yes :) |
| 11:59.50 | Yamaraj | fyrestrtr: Most of the T43 and R52 models share the same hardware. And yes, mine has that SATA-PATA bridge. |
| 11:59.53 | MatBoy | I compiled my kernel the debian way as I always do.. |
| 11:59.56 | MatBoy | OK :) |
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| 12:00.03 | MatBoy | fyrestrtr, no need for a newer kernel ? |
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| 12:00.16 | fyrestrtr | MatBoy: if the only reason is SMP support, then no. |
| 12:00.16 | terr_ | eenouf - thanx - where do you live? I'm in Calgary |
| 12:00.28 | MatBoy | fyrestrtr, thanks ! |
| 12:00.43 | Hoxzer | tell me why everybody tries to imitate me at school :/ |
| 12:00.48 | Yamaraj | enouf: Debian Etch doesn't detect the drive; and when libata mode is enforced, GNOME doesn't 'see' it. |
| 12:01.07 | MatBoy | Hoxzer, because they are jaloers about your Linux-skills :D |
| 12:01.10 | MatBoy | jalous |
| 12:01.12 | dendrite | Hoxzer: Pull your pants up! |
| 12:01.24 | MatBoy | dendrite, hehe :p |
| 12:01.26 | Hoxzer | like I have this wierd habit to check time from my phone when I get nervous |
| 12:01.35 | Hoxzer | :D guess how many does it now |
| 12:01.43 | MatBoy | Hoxzer, sell your phone |
| 12:02.42 | fyrestrtr | so I'm in a bit of a pickle. For reasons that defy all logic, my ubuntu system fails to compile a kernel (don't freak out, this is not a ubuntu support question). I am trying to build a new kernel for my laptop on which I have debian base installed. Now I'm building the kernel on a FC machine, once its done, how can I package it so that I can install it on the laptop, get the network working, and finish the debian install? |
| 12:03.24 | stew | fyrestrtr: why do you need to compile a new kernel, what is wrong with the debian kernel? |
| 12:03.24 | MatBoy | fyrestrtr, you want to know what part you need to copy ? |
| 12:03.49 | cydork | fyrestrtr: but why dont you compile the kernel on your installed debian base? |
| 12:03.59 | fyrestrtr | stew: because it doesn't support my network card. |
| 12:04.17 | stew | fyrestrtr: which network card? |
| 12:04.47 | Yamaraj | Must be Atheros. |
| 12:05.03 | fyrestrtr | cydork: because, its just a netinstall cd. I can't get the ethernet to run, so it won't fetch any packages from the net. Its a card that needs the new sky2 module that isn't available as of debian 3.1 |
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| 12:05.22 | fyrestrtr | actually, it detected the ipw2200 fine, just that the net install can't use a wifi connection. |
| 12:05.47 | stew | fyrestrtr: you can use the ipw2200, you just have to put firmware into /lib/firmware |
| 12:06.04 | fyrestrtr | ....*blink*.... |
| 12:06.12 | stew | fyrestrtr: does a newer kernel version support sky2? or is it something you have to patch |
| 12:06.27 | fyrestrtr | are you telling me, that I could have used the wireless card, all this time, and not have to spend 3 hours trying to compile a kernel?! |
| 12:06.34 | Yamaraj | Right. Make sure you get version 2.4 firmware and not 3.0, which is for 2.6.18 and later. |
| 12:06.39 | fyrestrtr | stew: no, its available in 2.6.17 |
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| 12:06.56 | fyrestrtr | without a patch (that's why I'm building a new kernel) |
| 12:06.57 | fyrestrtr | brb |
| 12:07.06 | Yamaraj | 3 hours to compile a kernel? |
| 12:07.20 | stew | fyrestrtr: but its not in 2.6.16? |
| 12:07.58 | MatBoy | I'm happy !! I bought a P4 3,2 Ghz because the prices are so low :) |
| 12:08.20 | MatBoy | and I think it's max performance when I compare it to a C2D for a Workstation |
| 12:08.24 | Yamaraj | Congrats! You just bought a room heater. |
| 12:08.42 | MatBoy | Yamaraj, yeah, for 1/6 of the pirce :D |
| 12:08.47 | MatBoy | price |
| 12:08.54 | MatBoy | comparing to a C2D :) |
| 12:09.11 | MatBoy | and no new MOBO and mem... :) |
| 12:09.21 | Yamaraj | How much $$$? |
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| 12:10.14 | MatBoy | Yamaraj, I pay in euro's |
| 12:10.41 | Yamaraj | :-P |
| 12:11.03 | MatBoy | Yamaraj, but a C2D is about 310 euro's here and this one was 70 :) |
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| 12:11.22 | MatBoy | Yamaraj, 33- euro's btw |
| 12:11.25 | MatBoy | 330 |
| 12:11.59 | wols | MatBoy: is it a dual core? |
| 12:12.13 | Yamaraj | Good deal, but a CD or C2D running at half as much GHz beats it. |
| 12:12.24 | MatBoy | Nope, because a PentiumD is twice as expensive and not that very good |
| 12:12.54 | MatBoy | Yamaraj, yeah, but with the board and mem... it's about 600 euro's |
| 12:13.07 | fyrestrtr | Yamaraj: had to do it a few times. |
| 12:13.18 | MatBoy | for a workstation.. danm I only run Debian with 2x times vmware. |
| 12:13.19 | fyrestrtr | stew: I didn't check that branch, I just got the latest off of kernel.org |
| 12:14.36 | stew | fyrestrtr: i ask because there are sarge installers available that use a 2.6.16 kernel |
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| 12:15.00 | MatBoy | Yamaraj, where are you on ? |
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| 12:15.24 | MatBoy | Yamaraj, for the maoney that I saved.. I bought a 1000VA UPS :) |
| 12:15.28 | MatBoy | money |
| 12:15.34 | fyrestrtr | stew: is there a newer installer than 3.1? |
| 12:15.36 | sprink | stew. are they offical? |
| 12:15.42 | stew | not official |
| 12:15.45 | stew | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 12:15.45 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
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| 12:16.34 | aquarina | hello, is there someone with etch and nvidia? |
| 12:16.38 | fyrestrtr | etch is which branch? |
| 12:16.51 | aquarina | testing |
| 12:16.52 | stew | fyrestrtr: testing, it will be 4.0 when it releases |
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| 12:17.20 | Yamaraj | MatBoy: Bad decision. P4 and 1000VA UPS will only add to your electricity bills. ;-) |
| 12:18.04 | MatBoy | Yamaraj, I go for some save computing... If I have to pay... no problem... better than going mad when something is away :) |
| 12:18.12 | MatBoy | s/away/gone |
| 12:18.25 | aquarina | i need nvidia drivers so i can speed up my display, but don't know whitch package to install |
| 12:18.28 | MatBoy | Yamaraj, hehe :P |
| 12:18.34 | fyrestrtr | stew: I meant, what kernel? :) |
| 12:18.45 | MatBoy | !tell aquarina about nvidia one-liner |
| 12:18.52 | aquarina | there's a nvidia and nvidia-legacy |
| 12:18.52 | fyrestrtr | who was teh person with the thinkpad problem? |
| 12:19.10 | MatBoy | !nvidia one-liner |
| 12:19.10 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 12:19.23 | stew | fyrestrtr: currently 2.6.17 |
| 12:19.26 | fyrestrtr | aquarina: there is a list on nvidia.com about which cards are legacy and which aren't. See which one yours is, and install the appropriate driver. |
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| 12:19.42 | fyrestrtr | stew: is it possible to upgrade to etch? |
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| 12:20.36 | aquarina | MatBoy, fyrestrtr, tks |
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| 12:21.35 | stew | fyrestrtr: what are you going to use the machine for? testing isn't recommended for production boxes because of security issues |
| 12:21.41 | cappicrd | not sure |
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| 12:21.58 | xjkx | what do I need to create a newsletter subscription and send people stuff? |
| 12:22.16 | fyrestrtr | stew: ermm, I'm using the machine for testing debian. |
| 12:22.26 | fyrestrtr | stew: its not my main production box, if that's what you are after. |
| 12:23.11 | fyrestrtr | xjkx: [1] things to write about [2] people to send to [3] mailman |
| 12:24.24 | nvz | fyrestrtr: get that kernel compiled yet? |
| 12:24.27 | sprink | fyrestrtr. I use stable for production/server hosting. testing for a home desktop if you are fairly familiar with debian linux, and unstable if you are a developer/contributor |
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| 12:25.23 | sprink | fyrestrtr. of course thats just my opinion and isn't very accurate |
| 12:25.42 | fyrestrtr | nvz: for some reason known only to the gods, it never compiled on my ubuntu box. Its chugging along on my FC box, almost done with 'make' |
| 12:25.52 | aquarina | how can i know whitch version of x am i running? |
| 12:26.10 | fyrestrtr | sprink: what is the difference between testing and unstable, in so far as the packages that are offered? |
| 12:26.13 | stew | aquarina: xdpyinfo |
| 12:26.20 | fourat | when umounting my cdrom, it says that it's busy, how to force it unmounting ? |
| 12:26.37 | zaarg | stop using it? |
| 12:26.48 | aquarina | stew, tks |
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| 12:26.51 | fyrestrtr | fourat: first, make sure it isn't doing anything -- and you aren't doing anything silly, like trying to unmount it from a directory in the cdrom. |
| 12:26.56 | stew | fourat: you need to close all of the files on the mounted filesystem |
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| 12:27.22 | nvz | fyrestrtr: heh whats a "make" ? :P |
| 12:27.40 | fyrestrtr | nvz: you know, make menuconfig -- then 'make' :) |
| 12:27.45 | sprink | fyrestrtr. unstable is the most unstable/untested bleeding edge out of the three. |
| 12:27.53 | fourat | stew, how to check for the files opened on the that fs |
| 12:28.05 | nvz | fyrestrtr: cant get kernel-package on that crap fest? thats what it should be called CF |
| 12:28.07 | fyrestrtr | fourat: lsof is one way |
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| 12:28.38 | nvz | fyrestrtr: you know how to go about setting up a manual install on there? |
| 12:28.38 | fyrestrtr | nvz: it would never get past the compiling (the ubuntu box). People told me it was a hardware issue. Fine, CHANGED THE HARDWARE, same problem :| |
| 12:28.54 | fyrestrtr | nvz: on where? |
| 12:29.01 | Yamaraj | What does hardware have to do with compiling a kernel? |
| 12:29.08 | nvz | fyrestrtr: well the kernel your making isnt a debian package like kernel-package is |
| 12:29.30 | nvz | fyrestrtr: you need to know how to setup your bootloader mainly |
| 12:30.02 | garo | There are 2 mysql-server packages in debian stable, what's so special about 4.1 ? |
| 12:30.15 | Yamaraj | If you use make-kpkg to make kernel/module debs and install them using dpkg, menu.lst is automatically taken care of. |
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| 12:30.38 | nvz | garo: isnt that what a changelog is for? hint: apt-listchanges |
| 12:30.52 | stew | garo: use 4.1 unless you require 4.0 |
| 12:31.47 | garo | -bash: apt-listchanges: command not found |
| 12:32.08 | nvz | Yamaraj: yeah well he's been on here for many hours he was trying to make a debian kernel that would support his gigabit ethernet or his wireless but doing so on ubuntu kept failing, so he's doing it on deadrat and doesnt have kernel-package |
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| 12:32.34 | garo | nevermind, just noticed that aptitude has a changelog function |
| 12:32.38 | nvz | or should I say deadrat crapfest |
| 12:33.29 | Yamaraj | Hehe. |
| 12:33.43 | nvz | Yamaraj: none of the debian kernels seem to have CONFIG_SKY2 for Yukon2 based Gigabit ethernet |
| 12:33.57 | fyrestrtr | nvz: yeah I can do all that stuff. |
| 12:33.59 | Yamaraj | fyrestrtr: If the gigabit ethernet chip os Broadcom BCM57xx, use tg3 (Tigon3) driver. |
| 12:34.13 | Yamaraj | Ahh! That's the problem. |
| 12:34.14 | fyrestrtr | Yamaraj: thanks, but its not that one :) |
| 12:34.29 | nvz | Yamaraj: which I am beginning to think they should as I have dealt with this issue twice within 24 hours |
| 12:35.01 | amee2k | is PPro-170MHz / 64M PC100 enough to decode and play OGG? |
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| 12:35.26 | nvz | I should poke the debian kernel maintainer and see why he might not be including it and if he would consider adding it as a module |
| 12:35.39 | stew | Brain`: please dont do that |
| 12:35.39 | azeem | Brain`: don't do that |
| 12:35.39 | nvz | Brain`: dont do that :P |
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| 12:35.47 | amee2k | Brain`: o.O |
| 12:35.51 | amee2k | lol |
| 12:36.26 | stew | amee2k: that's right on the borderline, it should work, just as long as the machine isn't doing much else |
| 12:36.26 | nvz | I for one have never seen a gigabit ethernet card much less owned one.. I bet they are expensive |
| 12:36.27 | Trewas | amee2k: should be, at least it can play mp3s (very) easily |
| 12:36.27 | Yamaraj | I am wise. I chose a model which had Broadcom BCM giga ethernet, ipw2200 and Intel on-board graphics. |
| 12:36.42 | wols | nvz: you can't buy a new mobo without one |
| 12:36.49 | amee2k | i want to make it a jukebox machine, so there won't be many other CPU intensive tasks running |
| 12:36.58 | nvz | wols: I havent looked to buy a mobo in a long time |
| 12:37.10 | amee2k | most like an idle X server and some player program but that's about it |
| 12:37.14 | nvz | wols: they are of course backward compatible with 10/100 hubs and switches right? |
| 12:37.16 | stew | nvz: you can get them for < $20 now |
| 12:37.19 | stew | nvz: yes |
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| 12:38.01 | nvz | I dont figure it would do me any good to have one unless I bought all new network equipment and had a faster ISP |
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| 12:39.04 | Yamaraj | I don't understand why ThinkPads don't come with nVIDIA chips. ThinkPads may well be known as the most Linux-compatible laptops, but ATI doesn't have that reputation. |
| 12:39.37 | nvz | ATI works so people say, I never had much luck getting them to work |
| 12:39.40 | stew | Yamaraj: there is far better support for ati than nvidia using free software |
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| 12:40.00 | nvz | but I've mostly had ATI Mobile Radeon and I tested a 9600 or something once |
| 12:40.11 | Yamaraj | 'Free' or not, nVIDIA drivers have always worked better on me. |
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| 12:40.29 | sprink | stew. I'd find that hard to believe |
| 12:40.45 | futex | hello |
| 12:40.50 | eml | Hi, I'm having some troubles with my router/box. I'm not able to do anything but to surf/ssh to my router at the moment, from there I can do whatever I want (I'm using ssh 192.168.0.1 -> ssh for irc), perhaps this is because some routing configurations has been reset? |
| 12:40.57 | nvz | I like nVidia it does just work and I never had any problems with them even the dual head setup was a breeze and it was well documented on their site |
| 12:41.04 | jetscreamer | it was successful with the kanotix script to install fglrx.... didn't have much luck manually |
| 12:41.12 | futex | anyone can help me for a little problem in kernel compilation |
| 12:41.20 | stew | sprink: "man nv" and "man radeon" you'll see that for example, nv diesn't support 3d at all, radeon supports it for many of the chipsets |
| 12:41.22 | wols | eml: what do you use for NAT? |
| 12:41.22 | fourat | how to execute msi files with wine ? |
| 12:41.22 | jetscreamer | nvidia.run jsut works when you know and cater to it's quirks |
| 12:41.23 | sprink | nvidia actually cares about their drivers. ATI on the other hand.. not so great. |
| 12:41.33 | eml | wols, NAT? :-/ I don't know much about networking =) |
| 12:41.35 | nvz | futex: not until you tell us what the problem is |
| 12:41.43 | Yamaraj | nVIDIA even has drivers for Solaris, which I use on desktop. |
| 12:41.45 | futex | ok |
| 12:41.48 | wols | eml: what have you installed to make your box a router? |
| 12:42.01 | sprink | stew. those drivers suck. if you own a nvidia card.. you should use the official drivers supplied by nvidia. |
| 12:42.02 | nvz | eml: might be why you are having problems. NAT is Network Address Translation. |
| 12:42.04 | Yamaraj | stew: radeon driver is pretty outdated. |
| 12:42.13 | futex | so, i have realteck ethernet card 8168 |
| 12:42.21 | napoleon1 | i have a question for users of the new etch-installer: When choosing "don't login as root", how do I make use of the gnome menu items such as synaptic, or root terminal? |
| 12:42.23 | nvz | eml: are you using iptables? |
| 12:42.30 | eml | wols, It's running "Clark Connect", to be honest this problem suddenly showed up today, after working for about a month, when my net died |
| 12:42.44 | fourat | wine: could not load L"C:\\windows\\Downloaded Installations\\Macromedia Dreamweaver 8\\Macromedia_Dreamweaver_8.msi": Bad EXE format for |
| 12:42.51 | napoleon1 | without having to launch from console |
| 12:42.52 | stew | sprink: i wouldn't own an nvidia card, becuase, as you said, the free drivers suck. I've been very happy with the free ati drivers, however |
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| 12:42.59 | wols | eml: then ask clark connect folks. we cannot help you |
| 12:43.10 | sprink | stew. You are misunderstanding me. |
| 12:43.18 | nvz | napoleon1: they would use gk-su or something |
| 12:43.18 | futex | i the ubuntu kernel 2.6.15 the eth0 interface run correctly, but now i want to compile a new kernel 2.6.17 and i don't find the good driver to include in the kernel |
| 12:43.20 | sprink | stew. Those are not the official drivers. |
| 12:43.25 | wols | fourat: msiexec normally. try to install the windows installer 2.0 files from MS |
| 12:43.25 | eml | wols, I figured it could've been some routing? From what I can see it's routing to "192.168.0.0" now, but that should be 0.1 afaik (router-ip)... |
| 12:43.28 | nvz | napoleon1: or gnome-sudo |
| 12:43.47 | futex | a the moment i run in 2.6.17 kernel and i don't have my eth0 interface |
| 12:43.53 | nvz | napoleon1: they should already be setup in the menu to run gk-su synaptic and it will prompt you for the root password |
| 12:43.55 | sprink | stew. the official drivers for nivida on linux are on the nvidia website. nv is a generic open source driver for some nivida cards |
| 12:44.05 | wols | eml: what PC is routing that way? also: do you use DHCP or static IPs? |
| 12:44.14 | stew | sprink: i know, it seems you misunderstood me |
| 12:44.18 | eml | wols, DHCP, this pc is routing that way |
| 12:44.19 | futex | i don't have the r1000 module |
| 12:44.23 | cydork | napoleon1: gksu or sux |
| 12:44.24 | stew | sprink: the statement i made was: 08:39 < stew> Yamaraj: there is far better support for ati than nvidia using free software |
| 12:44.31 | sprink | stew. the official linux nividia drivers very much do so 3d. |
| 12:44.35 | nvz | napoleon1: if you want more flexibility you should use gnome-sudo and man sudoers you can setup no password or other options if you like |
| 12:44.40 | wols | eml: then fix your DHCP server. most likely clark connect again. |
| 12:44.43 | Yamaraj | sprink: stew is dead set on using 'free' (think RMS) drivers, rather than binaries. ;-) |
| 12:44.51 | sprink | oh. gotya |
| 12:44.56 | sprink | hehe |
| 12:44.56 | eml | wols, Ok, thanks |
| 12:45.16 | wols | eml: if it's the routing, you can check with "route add default gw 192.168.0.1" |
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| 12:45.25 | eml | wols, Ok :) |
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| 12:45.43 | eml | "File exists" |
| 12:45.58 | eml | Ah, "route delete default", thanks for the help wols and nvz |
| 12:46.05 | futex | no on e can help me? |
| 12:46.13 | sprink | stew. The non-free (official nvidia drivers) are very nice |
| 12:46.17 | sprink | That's what I ment. |
| 12:46.41 | Yamaraj | I'll even use extraterrestrial drivers, if they make my life easy and enjoyable. RMS can go to hell. |
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| 12:47.17 | napoleon1 | nvz, it's strange, when looking at the synaptic link's properties, I've noticed that gksu is used. However, when clicking upon the link, the administrative password is requested. I'd enter the user's password (as I do for a sudo from the command line) but authentication isn't successful |
| 12:47.18 | nvz | futex: is this for a network card? |
| 12:47.18 | futex | yes |
| 12:47.48 | nvz | napoleon1: hmm its flaky sometimes verify capslock isnt on.. sometimes I notice that it doesnt take my password and I swear its typed right |
| 12:48.03 | wols | futex: this r1000 module comes from realtek.com |
| 12:48.19 | jetscreamer | i have a kb it starts up with the numlock light on, but the numlock iosn't on |
| 12:48.22 | futex | it's not include in kernel 2.6.17? |
| 12:48.28 | stew | Yamaraj: in any case i doubt that the thinkpad manufacturers spend much time at all thinking about linux compatibility when deciding which graphics chip to put into a thinkpad |
| 12:48.33 | jetscreamer | it's a usb kb plugged into a laptop |
| 12:48.42 | nvz | futex: well guess what, there is no linux-2.6.17/drivers/net/r1000.c so how about you tell me what the hardware is |
| 12:48.43 | rage | When packages are been kept back during a dist-upgrade, will those backages still be available and usable? (assuming they dont become broken) |
| 12:48.45 | wols | futex: it's not in any kernel |
| 12:49.04 | jetscreamer | kept back usable. removed unusable. |
| 12:49.06 | wols | nvz: the driver for the card which is distributed by realtek themsevels is called r1000 |
| 12:49.12 | futex | ok so ubuntu path is kernel for support this card |
| 12:49.20 | jetscreamer | but if their deps are gone... |
| 12:49.22 | cydork | napoleon1: gksu will ask for the root's password, if you want it for other user you need to run gksu -u <username> |
| 12:49.23 | Yamaraj | stew: That's true. But they better should start thinking now, as Intel sides with nVIDIA now in the light on AMD-ATi merger. |
| 12:49.24 | nvz | wols: there is no compatible driver in linux? |
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| 12:49.40 | Yamaraj | s/on/of |
| 12:49.40 | wols | nvz: no clue. but certainly none called "r1000" |
| 12:49.54 | wols | Yamaraj: they won't. |
| 12:49.56 | fyrestrtr | alright, so kernel is done building. Now what's the next step? |
| 12:49.57 | nvz | wols: this I know, thats why I asked what the hardware is so I can grep for it :P |
| 12:50.04 | jetscreamer | i've seen something say r1000 i 'think' |
| 12:50.08 | stew | intel sides with nvidia? |
| 12:50.13 | jetscreamer | r-something |
| 12:50.13 | wols | nvz: he said already. realtek 8168 |
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| 12:50.52 | wols | stew: yes. as in "pressure with threats to allow intel to copy SLI" and things like that. It's what intel thinks "siding with is" |
| 12:51.08 | stew | wols: sli? on a laptop? |
| 12:51.24 | wols | stew: with chipsets in general |
| 12:51.37 | wols | and haven' you heard about the new alienware "laptops"? :) |
| 12:51.37 | stew | Yamaraj: if you want linux compatibility you really should be hoping for intel chips not nvidia chips (they compete with eathother, not side with eachother) since intel actually gpled their drivers |
| 12:51.42 | futex | is there a path for include driver r1000 in a kernel? |
| 12:51.59 | wols | futex: path? |
| 12:52.18 | wols | and why would you need to include it? what's wrong with a module? |
| 12:52.25 | Yamaraj | stew: Like I said before, I make wise decisions. I scrapped a T43 and went for R52 because of the Intel GMA gfx chipset. ;-) |
| 12:53.06 | Yamaraj | Unfortunately, the only Txx models available here were using ATI chips. Grr! |
| 12:53.26 | fyrestrtr | nvz: where do I go from here? kernel is built. |
| 12:53.26 | stew | which have great linux support |
| 12:53.27 | nvz | futex: linux only officially supports RTL 8139 and 8169 |
| 12:53.32 | nvz | futex: install it |
| 12:53.35 | nvz | fyrestrtr: install it |
| 12:53.41 | nvz | fyrestrtr: then reboot |
| 12:53.47 | futex | ok |
| 12:53.58 | man_in_shack | hey jetscreamer |
| 12:53.59 | wols | futex: you need to download th driver and compile it |
| 12:54.03 | man_in_shack | debianising my new laptop |
| 12:54.04 | nvz | futex: you need to get the driver from the manufacturers website and compile it |
| 12:54.09 | man_in_shack | w00t w00t w00t |
| 12:54.12 | Yamaraj | man_in_shack: What's so good about beta3 installer and libata? Does it detect SATA drives now? |
| 12:54.25 | nvz | futex: you can most likely do so with your kernel's header package no need to recompile the whole kernel |
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| 12:54.27 | man_in_shack | Yamaraj, it picked up my cdrom/dvd-burner, that's what |
| 12:54.27 | napoleon1 | cydork, i wonder why it's set to '-u root' |
| 12:54.34 | man_in_shack | Yamaraj, benq r55 laptop |
| 12:54.52 | man_in_shack | whee multiple network cards detected :D |
| 12:54.54 | futex | ok mvz thank |
| 12:55.00 | futex | *nvz |
| 12:55.04 | Yamaraj | man_in_shack: That's music to my ears! I should give it another try. |
| 12:55.13 | napoleon1 | cydork, I was under the impression that apt picked up on the fact that there wasn't a root-login mechanism |
| 12:55.26 | msn | i have been using etch on my host, and trying everything was working fine until 2 days back all dns servers stopped responding |
| 12:55.31 | Yamaraj | man_in_shack: netinstall or weekly ISO builds? |
| 12:55.33 | msn | everything was same |
| 12:55.42 | msn | http://pastebin.ca/166883 <- this is iptables config |
| 12:55.51 | man_in_shack | netinstall |
| 12:55.57 | msn | dont understand the problem |
| 12:56.13 | man_in_shack | hmm ... can't work out what eth1 is |
| 12:56.17 | msn | everything stopped suddenly and now none of the dns queries are going thru |
| 12:56.19 | Yamaraj | Hmm. beta3 should be in the weekly builds dated 9/11, I hope. |
| 12:56.25 | cydork | napoleon1: i am lost. what do you mean by there wasn't a root login mechnism? |
| 12:56.41 | man_in_shack | installer just says "eth1: ethernet or fast ethernet" |
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| 12:57.02 | napoleon1 | cydork, during the installation of etch (with latest b3 installer), I specified "no root login allowed" |
| 12:57.15 | napoleon1 | cydork, as such, there's no root password |
| 12:57.20 | nvz | napoleon1: what actually happens is in order for apt/dpkg to do anything they place a lockfile on the cache dir so corruption doesnt occur from multiple apps accessing it without communicating and you cant touch the lockfile if you arent root so they wouldnt work. you can run synaptic as a normal user but cant really do much |
| 12:57.21 | napoleon1 | (at least by default) |
| 12:57.29 | man_in_shack | looks like ncurses on the installer is going a bit slow |
| 12:57.47 | nvz | napoleon1: if you have the rootpassword set to * or ! you are in bad shape :P |
| 12:58.21 | msn | even without the iptables the dns servers don't respond |
| 12:58.24 | nvz | napoleon1: check the /etc/shadow entry for root |
| 12:58.29 | napoleon1 | nvz: there's an x (shadow or blowfish?) |
| 12:58.51 | napoleon1 | nvz, aye, there's an '!' |
| 12:59.07 | wols | msn: can you ping IPs? |
| 12:59.10 | Yamaraj | What's everyone's take on the Debian-Ubuntu politics, and the latest Shuttleworth blog? |
| 12:59.13 | nvz | napoleon1: if you use gnome-sudo instead you can set a line in sudoers to allow your user to run it without a password |
| 12:59.27 | dendrite | Yamaraj: *yawn* |
| 12:59.32 | msn | yes wols |
| 12:59.37 | msn | ips are getting pingged |
| 12:59.43 | cydork | Yamaraj: he is right about one thing. Without debian ubuntu is no where :) |
| 12:59.46 | nvz | napoleon1: if you got a ! in there then you have no access to your root acount period. you will have to boot init=/bin/sh and go in and change that |
| 12:59.53 | jetscreamer | ok where is the shuttleworth blog |
| 12:59.55 | Yamaraj | That's right! |
| 13:00.01 | napoleon1 | nvz, sudo su works, though |
| 13:00.01 | nvz | napoleon1: to even setup sudoers or anything |
| 13:00.03 | simonrvn | ... |
| 13:00.14 | simonrvn | debian has been around for far longer ... |
| 13:00.15 | napoleon1 | nvz, i.e, i can work in a root shell |
| 13:00.21 | msn | its a working config wols was working a day ago |
| 13:00.28 | msn | now it suddenly goes poof |
| 13:00.36 | nvz | napoleon1: well if sudo works than like I say you may want to consider using sudo instead of gksu |
| 13:00.40 | napoleon1 | nvz, (thanks for your time, btw) I know how to setup sudoers |
| 13:00.52 | nvz | napoleon1: gnome-sudo is a gtk frontend to sudo |
| 13:01.06 | napoleon1 | nvz, I'm just curious as to why the link was created as it was despite my choices at etch-installation time |
| 13:01.48 | man_in_shack | wtf? there's a primary ntfs and primary fat32 on this thing |
| 13:01.50 | napoleon1 | nvz, I'm not sure if dpkg configuration of the gnome package for synaptic took that into account |
| 13:02.01 | man_in_shack | anyways |
| 13:02.17 | man_in_shack | what tools does the netinstall have to check network connection? |
| 13:02.25 | nvz | napoleon1: its because synaptic recommends gksu it doesnt even acknowledge gnome-sudo at all thats a complaint for the package manager |
| 13:02.39 | Yamaraj | Debian is one of the oldest, but Ubuntu is the fastest growing distribution of all. |
| 13:02.59 | jetscreamer | heh... i'm a god. about sid: " it’s focused on the next generation, it requires exceptional skill and up to date technical knowledge to participate" |
| 13:03.02 | fyrestrtr | nvz: sorry -- was on different term. You said install it, and reboot. That's it? |
| 13:03.04 | nvz | napoleon1: since its just a recommends nothing stops you from removing gksu and installing gnome-sudo and if needed linking a gnome-sudo to /usr/X11R6/bin/gksu |
| 13:03.19 | nvz | fyrestrtr: well you have to change your bootloader first |
| 13:03.35 | jetscreamer | i didn't know you have to be halfways smart to run sid |
| 13:03.39 | cydork | fyrestrtr: so how's the progress? |
| 13:03.42 | wols | msn: then your DNS is shot. what's in your /etc/resolv.conf? is it the proper DNS server? |
| 13:03.45 | jetscreamer | shit i better stop |
| 13:04.00 | nvz | fyrestrtr: but after you boot your kernel run base-config as root to finish up installation. you may want to load the module and setup /etc/network/interfaces but if not base-config should probably handle that |
| 13:04.01 | wols | man_in_shack: ping, route ifconfig, etc |
| 13:04.06 | msn | yes wols |
| 13:04.41 | msn | but the problem here is wols another machine on parallel connection is able to nslookup |
| 13:04.44 | nvz | fyrestrtr: or you could put it in /etc/modules and setup /etc/network/interfaces now and when you reboot to the new kernel it should all be good |
| 13:04.45 | msn | this machine is not getting any replies from DNS servers |
| 13:04.45 | man_in_shack | wols, ping doesn't seem to be there |
| 13:04.59 | fyrestrtr | cydork: copying over -- lets see. |
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| 13:05.10 | wols | man_in_shack: but the others are |
| 13:05.34 | wols | man_in_shack: use the other machine to sniff the network and see if there is something sent |
| 13:06.09 | nvz | napoleon1: I am curious to how that whole setup goes for no root logins and su and sudo work.. it doesnt ask for a password at all and lets you run anything as root? |
| 13:06.16 | man_in_shack | wols, how? |
| 13:06.34 | wols | man_in_shack: sorry. should have been msn instead |
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| 13:06.49 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 13:06.49 | wols | man_in_shack: you should check your network config via ifconfig, dmesg and route |
| 13:07.06 | wols | man_in_shack: ifconfig -a |
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| 13:07.12 | napoleon1 | nvz: It's similar to ubuntu (not that I've used it, nor am I implying that you have either) where most commands requiring root privileges are launched by sudo, whereupon the user's password is requested. |
| 13:07.29 | man_in_shack | getting a lot of: "sky2 eth0: phy read timeout" |
| 13:07.41 | man_in_shack | i think it doesn't like my hub |
| 13:07.53 | wols | or maybe your phy |
| 13:07.59 | napoleon1 | nvz: and 'sudo su' is used to get a root shell |
| 13:08.01 | man_in_shack | what's phy? |
| 13:08.07 | nvz | napoleon1: ah. thats silly. I guess its easier for some people to only remember one password but it creates a local security issue anyone with a user account is an admin |
| 13:08.17 | man_in_shack | wols, also getting "speed/duplex mismatch<4>" |
| 13:08.27 | fyrestrtr | okay I'm tarring it up -- moving it from FC to Ubuntu -- copying it to the USB, then moving it to the laptop. |
| 13:08.37 | wols | man_in_shack: force it to half duplex or something |
| 13:08.41 | man_in_shack | how? |
| 13:08.42 | nvz | napoleon1: and furthermore anyone that compromises a user account got you rooted |
| 13:08.43 | cydork | fyrestrtr: if it doesn't work i might have some idea |
| 13:08.56 | nvz | napoleon1: remotely or locally |
| 13:09.10 | napoleon1 | nvz: yeah, I was a bit surprised to find that option in the debian-installer, but I wanted to test it's functionality ;) |
| 13:09.26 | nvz | napoleon1: it works, though I cant imagine why you'd want it to :P |
| 13:09.34 | wols | PHY is the part which is connected to the physical ethernet wire. the stuff you load a driver for is the "logicl" side towards the PC. the PHY is the wire interface |
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| 13:10.03 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 13:10.06 | nvz | see this is what happens when debian users actually listen to people like ubuntu users instead of torching their asses |
| 13:10.13 | nvz | gah |
| 13:10.20 | man_in_shack | wols, how would i force it to half duplex? i think that's all my hub can handle anyway |
| 13:10.30 | wols | man_in_shack: man ifconfig |
| 13:10.32 | my007ms | hello all |
| 13:10.33 | man_in_shack | not negotiating properly |
| 13:10.49 | rubajat | how can I convert MS Windows HtmlHelp Data file into pdf or postscript? |
| 13:11.13 | nvz | well I better go get some work done before I sit here all day and fall asleep at the keyboard.. all I managed to do this morning was get the car jumped and get breakfast and thats a negitive on my budget not a positive :P |
| 13:11.18 | fyrestrtr | rubajat: there is a chmviewer available that prints to PDF, but only one page at a time :( |
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| 13:11.38 | rubajat | fyrestrtr: thx, I'll check it out |
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| 13:12.03 | nvz | I should have plugged my phone in while I sat here bullshitting |
| 13:12.10 | nvz | I am a regular idiot today |
| 13:12.22 | Yamaraj | Is GNOME-2.16 in Etch yet? (Less likely) |
| 13:12.26 | cydork | nvz: nothing new ;) |
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| 13:12.36 | jetscreamer | i take it you didn't create the .chm yourself |
| 13:12.36 | man_in_shack | wols, "media type"? |
| 13:12.58 | wols | damn. duplex settings is done via ethtool if at all |
| 13:12.59 | napoleon1 | Yamaraj, 2.14.3 |
| 13:13.03 | nvz | cydork: doesnt your mom drive a firetruck? |
| 13:13.12 | wols | dunno if that's available from netinst |
| 13:13.28 | Trewas | Yamaraj: not even in experimental, you can follow its status here: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.16-status.html |
| 13:13.36 | nvz | heh I think you were the one I was cutting up on the other day |
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| 13:13.45 | usn_work | hi folx |
| 13:13.59 | cydork | nvz: hehe |
| 13:14.02 | napoleon1 | lol, who's mom drives a firetruck? |
| 13:14.06 | napoleon1 | whose |
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| 13:14.30 | Yamaraj | That's one place where Ubuntu scores better than Debian. It's already in Edgy, I think. |
| 13:14.36 | napoleon1 | nvz: anywho, thanks for your time. I will follow suit and actually try to get some work done |
| 13:14.37 | Zaib | guys how to control progress bar of bootsplash under debian ? |
| 13:15.04 | cydork | Yamaraj: no one here cares about what's in ubuntu |
| 13:15.04 | fyrestrtr | okay dumb question, but when I'm copying the kernel, I have to copy just the part in arch/i386/boot/ right, not the entire tree? |
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| 13:15.55 | nvz | yeah I gotta go cut the bosses moms grass then go hang some gutter I guess not gonna make any money sitting here.. he will be back to get the damn box van and gutter machine before I get there at this rate and I didnt even remember where the hell the job site was :P |
| 13:16.21 | Yamaraj | fyrestrtr: Yes, only bzImage. |
| 13:16.31 | Yamaraj | And, System.map |
| 13:17.14 | nvz | bah trying to put on pj's without taking my boots off :P getting stuck |
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| 13:17.58 | cydork | nvz: you typed while putting on pj's ?? :P |
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| 13:18.33 | nvz | cydork: well obviously I had to take them back off cause they wont go on over steel toed boots |
| 13:18.51 | Zaib | guys how to make progress bar of bootsplash work under debian ??? can anyone help me ? |
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| 13:19.01 | nvz | cydork: I got black pants on from my other work uniform and I dont want grass on them.. so I wear these old pjs when I cut grass |
| 13:19.25 | Yamaraj | cydork: No offense, but this "no one cares" attitude has led to the success of Ubuntu, and jealousy in Debian devs. ;-) |
| 13:19.47 | stew | Yamaraj: in any case, he is correct that ubuntu is off-topic, please just drop it |
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| 13:20.02 | jetscreamer | marketing |
| 13:20.02 | nvz | they still havent seem to invent a trimmer/edger that doesnt get grass all over the operator |
| 13:20.09 | Yamaraj | Agreed. |
| 13:20.14 | fyrestrtr | Yamaraj: okay. |
| 13:20.31 | nvz | personally I hate the damn things.. the vibrations suck they make my joints hurt |
| 13:20.47 | asg | nvz: roll thicker joints |
| 13:20.56 | nvz | my landlord doesnt have one and doesnt care about trimming I just have to cut it with the mower |
| 13:21.13 | nvz | asg: heh |
| 13:21.13 | nvz | asg: I can only afford to roll pinners :P |
| 13:21.20 | jetscreamer | penners |
| 13:21.22 | asg | ooof |
| 13:21.25 | nvz | I gotta quit procrastinating I am gone |
| 13:21.51 | jetscreamer | well maybe pinners hell i never saw it spelled before |
| 13:22.03 | nvz | like ellen degeneres says might as well procrastinate now or you'll never get around to it ;) |
| 13:22.23 | jetscreamer | my wife likes ellen |
| 13:22.42 | nvz | better hope she doesnt leave you for her |
| 13:22.48 | asg | s/likes/licks/ |
| 13:22.51 | nvz | I hear ellen swings that way |
| 13:22.59 | Yamaraj | LOL |
| 13:23.17 | nvz | no seriously I gotta go, stfu :P |
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| 13:24.35 | fyrestrtr | okay, I plugged the usb disk in, and it detected it. |
| 13:25.02 | fyrestrtr | but it didn't mount it :| |
| 13:25.17 | waiting | maybe it doesn't like the data :) |
| 13:25.21 | nvz | bah I am not going anywhere the fucking car wont start again |
| 13:25.33 | waiting | nvz: replace the motor |
| 13:25.35 | nvz | it started after putting gas in it |
| 13:25.44 | nvz | na the damn battery is too low again |
| 13:25.52 | waiting | nvz: replace the battery ^^ |
| 13:25.58 | fyrestrtr | nvz: good, now help me get the files off of this usb stick :P |
| 13:26.04 | nvz | I blame ford.. its probably that damn clock that never shuts off :P |
| 13:26.13 | realist | RE: Debian Vs Ubuntu, we debianites prefer to wait until the cakes's been cooked, and has cooled, before we taste it, Ubunteros on the other hand, will eat the cake mixture. |
| 13:26.16 | nvz | the battery was low I shouldnt have left it off that long |
| 13:26.25 | stew | realist: please keep it on topic |
| 13:26.27 | waiting | nvz: oh I had that with an el cheapo radio that was wrongly wired |
| 13:26.36 | nvz | I just jumped it an hour ago |
| 13:26.40 | waiting | nvz: total drainage |
| 13:26.42 | nvz | now I got nobody to jump it |
| 13:26.48 | realist | stew: Forgive me for thinking this was a place for _discussion_ |
| 13:27.02 | nvz | I am temped to go see if sandy is home and ask her for a jump |
| 13:27.26 | stew | realist: its not. its a debian support channel, go to ##linux to discuss other distros |
| 13:27.44 | nvz | she's one of my managers.. happens to live on the corner of my street |
| 13:27.45 | cydork | realist: ya they will disuss anything :P |
| 13:28.34 | realist | stew: I was discussing debian based systems though. |
| 13:28.36 | stew | realist: yes. i know. please don't |
| 13:28.38 | nvz | realist: we dont talk about that stuff here |
| 13:28.51 | realist | Don't be so sensitive :-) |
| 13:28.52 | nvz | realist: its beyond our scope of knowledge or interest |
| 13:28.56 | infernixx | what file do i create in / to have fsck check all partitions at reboot? |
| 13:29.07 | stew | infernixx: forcefsck |
| 13:29.08 | cydork | realist: ya i will be more interested in how nvz starts his car :) |
| 13:29.22 | nvz | realist: however the other channel might discuss it since they are obviously interested in debian because they steal our packages |
| 13:29.26 | infernixx | cheers stew. |
| 13:29.39 | waiting | nvz: who steals what? |
| 13:29.44 | infernixx | getting IO errors on a 3ware raid 1 setup. 3ware log says zip. |
| 13:29.45 | nvz | realist: however debian users have no reason to watch what other people do for the most part |
| 13:29.53 | realist | nvz: you sound like a jilted lover ;-) |
| 13:30.02 | nvz | realist: and debian is so cool so many people use it that it would be hard to keep tabs on them |
| 13:30.11 | nvz | realist: you have to understand that |
| 13:30.29 | nvz | there are so many damn debian spinoffs I dont even know the names of them all much less anything else |
| 13:30.29 | waiting | wait a minute |
| 13:30.38 | stew | nvz: just drop it |
| 13:30.40 | waiting | debian spinoffs are theft? |
| 13:30.49 | nvz | its not really theft |
| 13:30.50 | infernixx | no |
| 13:30.56 | nvz | its more like borrowing from a neighbor |
| 13:31.00 | waiting | :P |
| 13:31.06 | waiting | in good cases yes :) |
| 13:31.12 | nvz | but still do you watch your neighbors all day? |
| 13:31.15 | waiting | I mean theres a lot of bad ish going on, sure |
| 13:31.35 | waiting | nvz: the whole _point_ is about sharing sourcecode |
| 13:31.45 | realist | It's the inevitable result of GPL'ed code. |
| 13:31.47 | waiting | nvz: not only _I_ am free, _others_ are, too, then |
| 13:31.54 | waiting | crazy but true (; |
| 13:32.22 | tralala | hey, you can't steal what's offered freely. If Debian (or whoever else) doesn't want its work to be used - they shouldn't publish it. |
| 13:32.24 | waiting | .-) |
| 13:32.27 | nvz | waiting: yeah but everyone has a scope of what they are interested in.. and debian has like 15000+ packages as it is.. most of us dont have time to watch everything in debian much less every spinoff someone presses off with bootcd |
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| 13:32.42 | waiting | nvz: what do you mean by "watching"? |
| 13:32.47 | realist | nvz: nevertheless, I've got a feeling there'll be alot of ports comming from ubuntu > debian |
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| 13:33.05 | nvz | yeah wow debian has a bootcd script to make a live cd.. doesnt mean I am gonna follow every project that takes debian and presses of a customized cd |
| 13:33.11 | waiting | nvz: reading apt repository access logs? |
| 13:33.13 | k-man_ | what is the debian way to auto mount flash drives? |
| 13:33.19 | k-man_ | usb flash drives |
| 13:33.21 | tralala | Debian derivates are a *good thing* - they can prove what's worthed doing so Debian can follow. They *help* Debian. |
| 13:33.35 | nvz | waiting: you are making this harder than it needs to be.. you hang out here you should know we dont talk about this stuff |
| 13:33.36 | realist | tralala: my point exactly. |
| 13:33.44 | stew | k-man_: gnome-volume-manager if you are a gnome user, ivman if you use etch or sid, or autofs otherwise |
| 13:33.50 | waiting | nvz: so it's about license violations? |
| 13:34.08 | waiting | nvz: they happen - maybe they happen a lot |
| 13:34.10 | realist | Nothing wrong with a bit of *healthy* competition. |
| 13:34.13 | nvz | waiting: its about people sitting in debian following debian issues in real-time and not wanting to talk about this |
| 13:34.30 | nvz | I am not saying there is anything at all wrong with it other than those of us devoted to debian dont care |
| 13:34.42 | waiting | nvz: mh |
| 13:34.44 | tralala | realist: of course, Debian cannot possibly support any derivates - it has to do plenty of support work of its own |
| 13:34.52 | infernixx | nah. 90% is about people more eager to talk about things than to actually do something about them. |
| 13:34.52 | k-man_ | ivman? |
| 13:34.52 | waiting | nvz: look |
| 13:34.52 | nvz | if we do we sit in the other channels too |
| 13:34.53 | waiting | nvz: I use redhat |
| 13:34.53 | nvz | notice /whois nvz |
| 13:34.54 | waiting | nvz: I use suse |
| 13:35.00 | waiting | nvz: I use friggin BSD |
| 13:35.04 | realist | tralala: I never suggested that Debian should either. |
| 13:35.08 | cydork | k-man_: apt-cache show ivman |
| 13:35.08 | waiting | nvz: I use whatever pleases me |
| 13:35.13 | waiting | nvz: I'm not a debian fanboy |
| 13:35.15 | realist | waiting: fitness for purpose. |
| 13:35.24 | nvz | waiting: I use toilet paper.. do you hear me asking questions about Debian Vs. Toilet Paper? |
| 13:35.32 | wols | waiting: we don't say "fanboys". we call ourselves zealots |
| 13:35.34 | waiting | nvz: still I try to support debian because the project gives me a lot |
| 13:35.37 | wols | debian is a proper religion, you know? |
| 13:35.45 | realist | I use a variety of *BSD, GNU/Linux, VMS, and... Windows |
| 13:35.49 | waiting | nvz: where is the contradiction? |
| 13:35.53 | nvz | heh |
| 13:35.55 | jetscreamer | hey way to get up and leave nvz |
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| 13:36.03 | jetscreamer | almost as good as me |
| 13:36.04 | nvz | yeah well the car wouldnt start |
| 13:36.09 | nvz | or i'd be gone |
| 13:36.11 | waiting | :P ok |
| 13:36.13 | wols | nvz: excuses excuses |
| 13:36.21 | waiting | btw I use windows too |
| 13:36.22 | jetscreamer | metro works for you |
| 13:36.27 | jetscreamer | aka bus |
| 13:36.28 | waiting | for playing shattered union |
| 13:36.31 | nvz | turns out wet cell batteries dont seem to recharge when you let them sit awhile like drycell ones |
| 13:36.40 | waiting | I even have a license |
| 13:36.46 | jetscreamer | you have an electic car? |
| 13:36.49 | nvz | especilly when you got them hooked up to something |
| 13:37.22 | jetscreamer | ah you don't have a jumpbox |
| 13:37.25 | jetscreamer | tsk |
| 13:37.35 | nvz | it requires some electricity to engage the pinion onto the fly wheel and give it a turn and inject some gasoline into the chamber to be combusted |
| 13:37.38 | jetscreamer | handy lillte fuggers |
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| 13:37.50 | jetscreamer | little |
| 13:37.51 | waiting | nvz: got a bridge cable? |
| 13:37.53 | nvz | yeah well I dont own a car so I never thought about it |
| 13:38.04 | nvz | waiting: no I dont build bridges |
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| 13:38.16 | waiting | you are weird |
| 13:38.18 | waiting | ;) |
| 13:38.20 | nvz | heh |
| 13:38.20 | jetscreamer | i know push start it! :) hope it's automatic |
| 13:38.35 | nvz | yeah its an automatic.. push starting doesnt really work |
| 13:38.39 | infernixx | !start a distro war |
| 13:38.39 | dpkg | Ubuntu 0wnz! |
| 13:38.50 | tralala | !stop a distro war |
| 13:38.56 | tralala | !stop distro war |
| 13:39.03 | tralala | !stop a flamewar |
| 13:39.07 | tralala | blah |
| 13:39.10 | waiting | :) |
| 13:39.24 | jetscreamer | there is no stop |
| 13:39.40 | nvz | this is why I created yinzersmite.. for people who act like ig'nent yinzers which is most often me |
| 13:39.44 | karsten | tralala: /msg dpkg stop a distro war is well, we *know* Debian's the best. |
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| 13:40.12 | nvz | but I come by it honestly |
| 13:40.20 | Yamaraj | Fsck all Linuxen, Solaris is da best. :-P |
| 13:40.23 | JimPanic | !khtxbye |
| 13:40.26 | tralala | karsten: heh :) |
| 13:40.26 | JimPanic | Err |
| 13:40.28 | JimPanic | !kthxbye |
| 13:40.28 | dpkg | i heard kthxbye is the pinnacle of English's advancement, shortening "All correct, Thank you, God be with you." into seven lowercase letters. Humanity is doomed. |
| 13:40.28 | tralala | !stop a flame war |
| 13:40.28 | dpkg | Hey, don't we all just love Debian after all? |
| 13:40.40 | tralala | there you go |
| 13:40.44 | tralala | !botsnack |
| 13:40.44 | dpkg | thanks, tralala |
| 13:40.48 | fyrestrtr | okay, where did I mess up. I have the exact root= line, but my kernel panics out with can't mount device /dev/hda1 please make sure you have the right boot= ?? |
| 13:41.09 | stew | fyrestrtr: /msg dpkg can't mount root |
| 13:41.15 | nvz | fyrestrtr: ah, did you compile in the disk controller and root fs drivers like we told you earlier? |
| 13:41.22 | fyrestrtr | yes, I dit. |
| 13:41.25 | fyrestrtr | ext3 |
| 13:41.32 | nvz | fyrestrtr: and I also said if you use ext3 make sure ext2 is built in as well |
| 13:41.33 | jetscreamer | are you usi;ng udev and >1 hd controller? |
| 13:41.39 | fyrestrtr | yes and I did that too :) |
| 13:41.40 | Yamaraj | Post your /boot/grub/menu.lst someplace. |
| 13:41.44 | stew | you can't build in ext3 without buiding in ext2 |
| 13:41.58 | waiting | stew: that is really true |
| 13:42.02 | stew | fyrestrtr: what about your ide/sata/scsi driver? did you build that in as well? |
| 13:42.07 | waiting | stew: the kernel config is misleading at that point |
| 13:42.24 | nvz | fyrestrtr: has to be * built in, cant be a module when you dont have initrd |
| 13:42.26 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Likely an incorrect root device specification in grub, or a bad initrd resulting in no modules loaded for your storage. |
| 13:42.43 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Weren't you trying to build a kernel earlier? |
| 13:42.46 | fyrestrtr | nvz: mm, I know. Let me recheck it. |
| 13:42.51 | fyrestrtr | karsten: the same. |
| 13:43.09 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Check that you don't need an initrd. Could be ugly if you do. |
| 13:43.14 | nvz | the ongoing saga of fyrestrtr is he's trying to put debian on his laptop he went through base-install earlier but needed to build on another non-debian system a kernel that supported his Gigabit lan adapter |
| 13:43.16 | Yamaraj | Are you mounting the root as read-only or not? |
| 13:43.27 | stew | he's not mounting it at all, that is the point |
| 13:43.27 | fyrestrtr | read only |
| 13:43.32 | waiting | ah, I see |
| 13:43.48 | waiting | well, it will take a couple of days till everything runs round |
| 13:43.55 | waiting | don't stress it, fyrestrtr |
| 13:44.01 | Yamaraj | No controller/drive built-in, then. |
| 13:44.02 | fs-a | hi, is sid's apt weird today? I had to make a new /var/lib/apt/lists to avoid ".. not in gzip format" errors |
| 13:44.08 | nvz | he ended up compiling on FC and installing the kernel manually because the kernel-package build kept failing on ubuntu |
| 13:44.18 | waiting | hhehehe |
| 13:44.39 | infernixx | argh!@# IO errors on an active raid1 suck. |
| 13:44.49 | stew | fs-a: sounds like you have a bad mirror |
| 13:44.54 | fs-a | ? |
| 13:45.01 | fs-a | a |
| 13:45.13 | fs-a | it its http.us.debian |
| 13:45.31 | Yamaraj | fyrestrtr: Need a sample .config, which I used to compile 2.6.18-rc4 on Slackware? You'll need to tweak it a bit, as your gfx, ethernet etc seem to be different from mine. |
| 13:45.38 | stew | fs-a: try a different mirror |
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| 13:45.54 | cydork | fyrestrtr: hey why dont get a apt-zip deb install it on your base install, and then get the related packages for kernel-package and install them on base-install, i know it's bit late. but i just had a coffee now. |
| 13:46.03 | fs-a | stew: i made a new /var/lib/apt/lists and it was fine |
| 13:46.06 | cklaus | gahh.. anybody knows howto create an image of a bootable disk with 2 megs of size containing vfat-filesystem ? |
| 13:46.09 | nvz | Yamaraj: he's building off the 2.6.17.13 source I believe |
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| 13:46.50 | cklaus | i can make a diskimage of 2 meg size using mkfs.vfat .. (but i cant make it bootable with mkfs.vfat / mkdosfs) |
| 13:46.56 | xopher | What would you recommend using for creating a repository? |
| 13:46.57 | fs-a | after apt in sid started getting those incremental updates, ive seen it acting weird more than once |
| 13:47.00 | Yamaraj | nvz: Not much differece, I think. He can still make menuconfig/xconfig and make changes before a recompile. |
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| 13:47.03 | wols | cklaus: do you want a kernel with vfat support or the kernel on a disk which is formatted with vfat? |
| 13:47.08 | fyrestrtr | can someone check is 2.6.16 has sys2? |
| 13:47.15 | shampoo | Hi |
| 13:47.25 | shampoo | iptables is not logging to syslog-ng.. |
| 13:47.33 | shampoo | can someone give me a hand as to why ? |
| 13:47.38 | fyrestrtr | cydork: say that again slowly? |
| 13:47.41 | cklaus | wols, the disk should be formatted vfat.. (since its going to serve as a boot-disk (booted via pxe in conjunction with memdisk )) |
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| 13:47.51 | shampoo | it's not in kern.log or messages or syslog |
| 13:47.53 | stew | fyrestrtr: what is the name of the option in .config? |
| 13:48.11 | fyrestrtr | stew: SYS2 I think, wait let me check again |
| 13:48.34 | nicgios | dear all, may I pose a question? |
| 13:48.34 | nicgios | . |
| 13:48.49 | stew | nicgios: as long as it is debian related, sure |
| 13:49.05 | fyrestrtr | CONFIG_SKY2=y :) |
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| 13:49.14 | eXiSt | hi |
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| 13:49.29 | stew | fyrestrtr: yes, the debian 2.6.16 packages have this as a module |
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| 13:49.55 | infernixx | !ask |
| 13:49.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:49.56 | fyrestrtr | so I can use http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ to install? |
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| 13:50.12 | stew | fyrestrtr: yes |
| 13:50.13 | eXiSt | while : ; do |
| 13:50.13 | eXiSt | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.13 | eXiSt | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.13 | eXiSt | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.13 | eXiSt | done |
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| 13:50.29 | nicgios | stew, thanks. :) It is debian related: I upgraded a testing distro after a long time (more than 700 packages to upgrade) but the process stopped because of a broken dependence |
| 13:50.46 | karl666 | my vagina ist your vagina :]] |
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| 13:51.03 | nvz | wtf kind of script is that |
| 13:51.18 | nvz | karl666: ok? |
| 13:51.19 | nicgios | python-minimal 2.4.3.11 conflicts with python 2.4.3.11_all |
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| 13:51.50 | nicgios | apt-get -f install does not work (same problem) |
| 13:51.56 | stew | nicgios: have you tried "apt-get -f install" or "apt-get -f dist-upgrade"? |
| 13:52.04 | wols | cklaus: use syslinux |
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| 13:52.16 | stew | karl666: please keep it on-topic |
| 13:52.25 | cklaus | wols, i use pxelinux (with memdisk) .. |
| 13:52.26 | nicgios | stew, also apt-get -f dist-upgrade stops with the same problem |
| 13:52.34 | eXiSt | hi i want to run a init.d script 60 seconds after the machine boot the debian. how can i do that? |
| 13:52.37 | karl666 | my knowledge is your knowledge :}}} |
| 13:53.00 | stew | karl666: stop |
| 13:53.01 | waiting | eXiSt: how precise has this to be? |
| 13:53.07 | zpn | I am unable to get the latest versin of debian testing installed on my toshiba laptop. when i boot the cd, i won't continue the install because no cdrom drive was found. i tried booting with "linux26 nolapic" "noapic" "ide=nodma". but so far nothing has worked. Any suggestions? |
| 13:53.14 | waiting | eXiSt: is "at least 60 seconds after boot" ok, too? |
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| 13:53.18 | karl666 | but thats on-topic, stew? :[ |
| 13:53.23 | wols | cklaus: the boot process itself is longer than 60 seconds. so when exactly do you want to run that script? 60 seconds after the boot prompt has shown? |
| 13:53.39 | nvz | eXiSt: well maybe start the script from say /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh backgrounded, so the bootup continues, then put a sleep line on the first line of the script |
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| 13:54.09 | nvz | eXiSt: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh loads just before login its one of the last if not the last things to run |
| 13:54.28 | stew | karl666: its not. |
| 13:54.49 | karl666 | sharing knowledge is not on-topic? |
| 13:54.51 | karl666 | wtf :E |
| 13:54.55 | nvz | heh |
| 13:54.57 | wols | zpn: if it's a recent intel chipset, read http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ the FAQ |
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| 13:55.20 | nvz | karl666: you arent sharing any useful knowledge by saying that. |
| 13:55.26 | eXiSt | waiting i will run a route script and sometimes interfaces take their routes one or two minute later. and as i run a iproute script. it doesnt work at the boot time sometimes. and i dunno if i should use a if-up.d script or init.d script for this situtation. |
| 13:55.34 | wols | nvz: ignore the troll. wait for the inevitable ban |
| 13:55.46 | karl666 | nvz, but i said i will do |
| 13:55.48 | waiting | karl666: you know, the will to share knowledge is proportional to the posession of knowledge ;) |
| 13:55.48 | karl666 | :] |
| 13:55.53 | karl666 | good will |
| 13:56.09 | stew | karl666: if you have a debian related question please ask it. otherwise please keep quiet |
| 13:56.24 | nvz | karl666: we can wait for you to share your knowledge wait until you can actually answer a question or have one to ask |
| 13:56.32 | karl666 | you are also not on_topic guys |
| 13:56.35 | karl666 | remember that pls |
| 13:56.37 | eXiSt | nvz i will run a route script and sometimes interfaces take their routes one or two minute later. and as i run a iproute script. it doesnt work at the boot time sometimes. and i dunno if i should use a if-up.d script or init.d script for this situtation. |
| 13:56.48 | wols | !repeat |
| 13:56.49 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:57.17 | cklaus | wols, ?? i _have_ already a diskimage i use to boot thinkpads i want to install.. (all via pxe-boot... using pxelinux and its memdisk-extension) .. to be able to boot more machines than only thinkpads i need to put alternative ethernet-card-drivers onto the diskimage.. (which i cant since my current diskimages are only 1,44mb in size..) --> therefore im seeking for a way to create bootable diskimages larger than 1.44mb (preferably 2mb) |
| 13:57.22 | wols | eXiSt: I'd say if-up.d script |
| 13:57.40 | nvz | eXiSt: not sure. networking isnt really my bag.. |
| 13:57.44 | waiting | eXiSt: guessing time intervals is definately not a clean solution when it comes to integrated systems |
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| 13:58.18 | eXiSt | wols how can i run a if-up.d script? for example i have a iproute.sh script at init.d |
| 13:58.26 | zpn | wols:is this version built on the 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:58.35 | nvz | waiting: now matter how stupid that may seem bigger companies have got by for longer periods of time on flakier hacks |
| 13:58.56 | zpn | nevermind |
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| 13:59.02 | eXiSt | http://pastebin.ca/166951 and also what does this script do? |
| 13:59.07 | infernixx | exist: if you're in need of running stuff after interfaces go up, man interfaces, see post-up, pre-up and post-down/pre-down flags. |
| 13:59.26 | wols | zpn: version of what? |
| 13:59.36 | infernixx | eXiSt, interfaces is in /etc/network/ |
| 13:59.36 | wols | eXiSt: man interfaces |
| 13:59.37 | psycodad | cklaus: shouldn't pxe be able to deal with 2.88 images (or at least memdisk from syslinux) ? |
| 13:59.40 | zpn | kernel |
| 13:59.50 | waiting | nvz: yeah! but everytime I encounter a design phase I try to let the solution be as good as possible, because then is the point where that decision is made |
| 13:59.58 | karl666 | drop it like its hot |
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| 14:00.05 | teardrop | is there a way I can remotely connect to an X server? |
| 14:00.07 | karl666 | interfaces is in /etc/network/ |
| 14:00.09 | karl666 | eXiSt, |
| 14:00.15 | karl666 | man interfaces |
| 14:00.34 | psycodad | teardrop: dozens of... i.e. NX, ssh -X etc. |
| 14:00.45 | wols | teardrop: yes. set your DISPLAY environment variable correctly |
| 14:01.02 | nvz | waiting: when I worked for National Molding Corp Advanced Alloy Div. I seen many windows boxes that had a little batch script removing and reinstalls networking drivers just to get around a problem that could be fixed perminantly quite trivially |
| 14:01.06 | teardrop | psycodad: is there a way I could connect to X via Putty? |
| 14:01.16 | nvz | mostly the older windows 98 ones |
| 14:01.21 | waiting | nvz: heh |
| 14:01.24 | wols | zpn: I don't understand your question. version of what? |
| 14:01.25 | cklaus | psycodad, pxe can deal with it and memdisk can deal with it. the problem is, i need msdos-formatted images (since windows is going to be installed and windows-executables are being run before the actual installation.. ) (using ext2/3 fs causes simply a reboot .. ) |
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| 14:01.36 | waiting | nvz: you know "trivial" means literally "can be done in three diffferent ways" |
| 14:01.50 | waiting | nvz: although it's history is a little different |
| 14:01.53 | b_52Centos | do soemone use zenoss |
| 14:01.54 | b_52Centos | ? |
| 14:01.55 | wols | teardrop: you want an X server for windows |
| 14:01.58 | infernixx | teardrop, you need an X server installed where you run putty and set up X11 forwarding in both putty, and the sshd config on the server you're logging in to. |
| 14:02.04 | psycodad | teardrop: you need a local X-server like cygwin, then it should work pretty fine with putty |
| 14:02.11 | nvz | waiting: yeah well you could upgrade your OS, you could upgrade your drivers, or you could change your hardware.. happy? |
| 14:02.14 | zpn | wols:i was asking what version of the kernel he backport was using, but i answered my own question |
| 14:02.15 | psycodad | a recent release of putty i might add |
| 14:02.17 | cklaus | psycodad, and i dont have any clue how i can create such diskimages (of size 2.88mb and msdos-formatted..) |
| 14:02.23 | waiting | nvz: haha, it's really trivial :D |
| 14:02.24 | zpn | s/he/the |
| 14:02.24 | teardrop | psycodad: I have debian on a remote host and I want to connect to the X server on that machine |
| 14:02.32 | man_in_shack | well base system is now installing itself |
| 14:02.33 | cklaus | psycodad, .. and bootable -.- |
| 14:02.38 | wols | cklaus: you can format 2.88MB images in vfat too |
| 14:02.39 | man_in_shack | and SOMETHING doesn't like my hubn |
| 14:02.41 | man_in_shack | *hub |
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| 14:03.00 | nvz | waiting: I will admit to not fully being aware of all the words I use, but I dont fail to use them properly most of the time :P |
| 14:03.01 | fourat | i have a problem with sound, can hear music do what i want, just not recording, i can hear my mic on speakers, but when opening any recording app like 'sound recorder' and start recording, it freezes :(, skype, gizmo and others wont work with my mic too |
| 14:03.02 | psycodad | cklaus: to be honest, dunno, but i've stumbled across an empty 2.88 img i think on Barts PE site... |
| 14:03.09 | wols | teardrop: you want to display your X programs on that remote host? I doN't think so |
| 14:03.12 | waiting | nvz: nono, thats not how I meant it |
| 14:03.19 | cklaus | psycodad, ahh that sounds promising .. ill check there.. thanks a lot psycodad and wols |
| 14:03.26 | nvz | waiting: spelling them right or using punctuation is a whole different story ;P |
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| 14:03.28 | teardrop | wols: I just want to connect to X |
| 14:03.30 | man_in_shack | has anyone else found etch beta 3 netinstall runs very slowly? |
| 14:03.32 | waiting | nvz: I meant "for some things are trivial that for others are not" |
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| 14:03.57 | waiting | nvz: I find guitar playing extremely non-trivial, others do it ... just like that |
| 14:03.57 | psycodad | teardrop: what is the link speed between your and the debian box, 100MBs ? |
| 14:04.01 | wols | teardrop: where do you want to DISPLAY you X programs? where is your screena nd keyboard located? remote host or local? |
| 14:04.07 | teardrop | infernixx: could I edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and then do /etc/init.d/ssh reload? |
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| 14:04.37 | teardrop | psycodad: well it would be over the internet |
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| 14:04.51 | infernixx | teardrop, prolly |
| 14:05.00 | nvz | waiting: yeah I used to think I could never get my hands to cooperate enough for it.. but I am learning |
| 14:05.00 | teardrop | wols: I want to see the programs remotely |
| 14:05.37 | psycodad | teardrop: the an ssh connection won't perform too good ... consider Freenx that rocks performance wise (128KBs and you feel completely local) |
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| 14:05.41 | wols | teardrop: over the internet I'd use something like NX or VNC |
| 14:06.12 | nvz | teardrop: install the RFB package if you want to view the current display, which means you would login on the box first locally then run x0rfbserv inside X, or if you are completly remote to the box and/or it doesnt have X you would use xvncserver |
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| 14:06.23 | nvz | teardrop: which you could start from ssh then connect to via vncviewer |
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| 14:07.04 | psycodad | teardrop: http://stateless.geek.nz/2005/06/27/building-freenx-04-on-ubuntu-hoary/ this might help you getting freenx running on debian.. |
| 14:07.36 | teardrop | what's the name of the program that forwards X through VNC |
| 14:07.40 | LinuxHelp | what does vserver and xen mean in linux-image-2.6.17-2-vserver-k7 and linux-image-2.6.17-2-xen-k7 ? |
| 14:07.46 | wols | teardrop: since you mentioned putty, what do you want to do on windows? display your X programs? |
| 14:08.08 | wols | LinuxHelp: virtualisation. think "vmware" stuff |
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| 14:08.18 | infernixx | dammit. 3 days of work gone. i need a braek. |
| 14:08.22 | teardrop | wols: I want to remotely connect to my debian computer |
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| 14:08.45 | LinuxHelp | wols, ya but .. vserver so that means its precompiled with different static modules? |
| 14:08.51 | LinuxHelp | and what about xen? |
| 14:08.52 | wols | teardrop: you need an X server on windows. mingx for example |
| 14:08.52 | teardrop | I'll use xvncserver |
| 14:09.09 | teardrop | wols: I just need a viewer like real vnc |
| 14:09.19 | wols | ok, for vnc you need a vncviewer on windows and the X server on debian |
| 14:09.41 | teardrop | wols: i have both, do I need xvncserver? |
| 14:09.45 | wols | LinuxHelp: virtulaization needs various kernel patches |
| 14:10.03 | wols | teardrop: yes you need to run xnvcserver too |
| 14:10.57 | teardrop | is VNC better than say NX? |
| 14:11.10 | man_in_shack | teardrop, nx is like compressed vnc |
| 14:11.13 | waiting | teardrop: it's a different solution for a different problem |
| 14:11.15 | psycodad | infernixx: Backuppc saved my ass uncounted times when rm -rf goes loose ;-) |
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| 14:11.28 | nvz | I like xvncserver because you dont even need X installed to just run X clients on that box remotely |
| 14:11.29 | man_in_shack | i've seen nx work over dialup |
| 14:11.43 | infernixx | psycodad, no backups yet of this new server. heh. |
| 14:11.44 | nicgios | stew, FYI. I found the solution. :) dpkg --remove --force-all python python-minimal :)) |
| 14:11.46 | man_in_shack | with latest kde and fancy eye candy crap turned on |
| 14:11.52 | teardrop | well I'm at school with a T1 connection :) |
| 14:11.53 | wols | teardrop: technically NX is better imho |
| 14:12.00 | man_in_shack | you'd be surprised how slow it didn't go |
| 14:12.11 | psycodad | man_in_shack: there is nothing in terms of speed like NX |
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| 14:12.26 | nvz | well I got that damn car started I gotta get going :P |
| 14:12.27 | jirka | hello all, could somebody give me any clue on setting keyboard shortcut for changing keyboard loyou please? |
| 14:12.28 | teardrop | how does NX run so nicely? |
| 14:12.33 | man_in_shack | only took about 10 secs to render the K-button roll-over |
| 14:12.35 | wols | but as nvz said: vnc is much easier to use clientside |
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| 14:12.41 | man_in_shack | fscking kde pos |
| 14:12.53 | man_in_shack | teardrop, compression more than anything else |
| 14:13.00 | psycodad | teardrop: special compression and caching |
| 14:13.06 | wols | vnc transmits images, NX transmits commands. same thing as VNC vs windows remote desktop |
| 14:13.39 | psycodad | even vnc feels better than on a LAN when piped thru NX |
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| 14:14.13 | teardrop | I'll try VNC and see how it goes speedwise |
| 14:14.21 | man_in_shack | good luck :) |
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| 14:14.36 | wols | it will probably work. main problem with vnc is the inconsitencies |
| 14:14.42 | wols | where stuff only updates after some time |
| 14:14.52 | zaarg | EH |
| 14:14.53 | wols | speed isn't the problem per se |
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| 14:15.37 | peppo | what might cause this after compiling some modules with module-assistant?: "FATAL: Error inserting ivtv (/lib/modules/2.6.15/ivtv/ivtv.ko): Invalid module format" |
| 14:15.53 | b_52Centos | some one has the file /usr/include/libart-2.0 AND /usr/local/include/libart-2.0 ? |
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| 14:16.02 | teardrop | If I decide to use FreeNX, what client would I use to connect to it on windows? |
| 14:16.08 | wols | peppo: wrong gcc versions perhaps. kernel was compiled witha different gcc |
| 14:16.22 | peppo | wols, yes, but only a subversion (.1) |
| 14:16.28 | psycodad | teardrop: http://www.nomachine.com . there are clients for win, mac and linux |
| 14:16.28 | b_52Centos | soeome have installed libart under sarge |
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| 14:16.39 | teardrop | psycodad: thanks :) |
| 14:16.54 | stew | peppo: /msg dpkg invalid module format |
| 14:17.14 | stew | peppo: btw, there is no reason to compile ivtv separately, its included in 2.6.15 and later kernels |
| 14:17.23 | sepone | teardrop, i'v noticed that win client 2.0 dont work with freenx, but version 1.5 of the win client works. |
| 14:17.27 | peppo | stew, not in my custom kernel though |
| 14:17.43 | wols | peppo: since it's already custom: recompile it |
| 14:17.49 | stew | peppo: in any case you need to compile the modules with the same version of gcc as the kernel was compiled with |
| 14:17.52 | peppo | wols, doing that now |
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| 14:18.06 | stew | peppo: or at least a compatible version |
| 14:18.08 | peppo | was going to try ivtv-source against my current kernel first |
| 14:18.21 | teardrop | what would be better to use as a server FreeNX or the NoMachine NX server? |
| 14:18.25 | psycodad | yeah, i've heard that too, though i havent tested yet, however the 1.5 client is fine and the 2.0 client has almost only enhancements when talking to a nomachine NX server not to the freenx Imho |
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| 14:19.12 | psycodad | teardrop: freenx is free, Nomachine is commercial, i run both and freenx should be enough for what you need |
| 14:19.31 | peppo | stew, is ivtv included in vanilla kernels? |
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| 14:19.44 | stew | peppo: yes, as of 2.6.15 |
| 14:20.03 | wols | stew: not on mine from kernel.org (2.6.17) |
| 14:20.05 | teardrop | psycodad: well the NoMachine server is also free |
| 14:20.23 | peppo | stew, I am using 2.6.15, and only see CONFIG_VIDEO_CX88 for the Conexant chips |
| 14:20.28 | teardrop | psycodad: I just don't want to run into trouble by using the NoMachine client and the freenx server |
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| 14:21.42 | stew | hmm |
| 14:21.47 | stew | i could be confused |
| 14:22.20 | psycodad | never tried the free edition of nomachine yet, but i have an sbs of Nomachine 1.5 installed and twice freenx. If you can live with the license maybe nomachines free server is the better choice for your problem, afaik it has .deb package and you're done, freenx involves some (easy) steps to build on your machine |
| 14:23.06 | MatBoy | not even that much performance from Celeron 3,06Ghz to a P4 3,2 Ghz |
| 14:23.18 | MatBoy | I have to say.. I need to compile SMP |
| 14:24.34 | peppo | stew, do you happen to understand the firmware business of ivtv (pvr 150)? I'm being told to check the md5sum on firmware file to find out which one to use, to decide which one to use! I'm totally confused. |
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| 14:25.10 | psycodad | teardrop: be aware that nx free edition limits you to a max of 2 sessions (suspended sessions also count!) |
| 14:25.12 | teardrop | psycodad: what do you mean by license? how much does sbs cpst |
| 14:25.21 | teardrop | cost* |
| 14:26.15 | stew | peppo: where did you install firmware? |
| 14:26.26 | peppo | stew, I've not installed anything yet... think I'm doing it now. |
| 14:26.49 | teardrop | psycodad: well I have to go to class, but I'll research NoMachine NX some more later...thanks for your help |
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| 14:26.56 | psycodad | dunno, have no price information. However you might want to start with free edition and if you need more sessions, just upgrade the lic. |
| 14:26.57 | peppo | stew, I have a deb now, at least |
| 14:27.04 | psycodad | your welcome, happy class ;-) |
| 14:27.05 | stew | peppo: put the firmware files into /lib/firmware (you have to get them separately) |
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| 14:27.18 | peppo | stew, they were put there by the .deb |
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| 14:27.47 | stew | peppo: that would suprise me |
| 14:27.55 | peppo | they were |
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| 14:28.01 | peppo | stew, /usr/share/doc/ivtv0.4-utils/README.Debian |
| 14:28.19 | peppo | dpkg -i ivtv-firmware_MYVERSION_all.deb |
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| 14:29.15 | FernandoMM | Does anyone know if mhonarc have any search plugin? |
| 14:29.18 | peppo | stew, playing /dev/video0 with mplayer now. |
| 14:29.33 | stew | peppo: ok, its changed since the last time i installed ivtv then |
| 14:29.35 | doublehp | which dist would you recommend for system with 16MB storage (X, SSH, wget, lynx, dillo) ? |
| 14:30.07 | citral23 | doublehp, you mean 16Mb RAM or disk ? |
| 14:30.32 | wols | doublehp: take DSL and cut it down |
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| 14:30.38 | doublehp | citral23: storage = Flash disk; RAM is 32MB, extensible to 256 for cheap |
| 14:30.49 | snail | X in 16MB will leave you gasping for air |
| 14:31.00 | citral23 | wow, elinks man |
| 14:31.13 | doublehp | wols: tried last year, never suceeded in installting it on HDD |
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| 14:31.40 | doublehp | snail: X can stand on 4MB drives ! (including ulibc and kernel 2.2 |
| 14:31.41 | doublehp | ) |
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| 14:31.55 | man_in_shack | on the etch beta 3 netinstall, a process called "events/0" is taking up almost all avaialable cpu power |
| 14:31.58 | man_in_shack | what is it? |
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| 14:36.29 | snail | doublehp: what, exactly are you going to be using X for? |
| 14:37.30 | doublehp | wols: I am gonna REtry HDD install, on a workstation, install it on spare drive, and if it works, simply copy that to the flash (no CD drive in final box ) |
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| 14:38.34 | doublehp | snail: multiple X terminal for a bigger machine (X --querry), XMMS (mp3 station for my car), VNC terminal ... |
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| 14:49.10 | MatBoy | why is there a smp-version of the kernel-image for the .16 and not for the .17 version kernel ? |
| 14:49.34 | msn | MatBoy: smp is default in kernel .17 |
| 14:49.47 | MatBoy | msn. so I don;t have to enable it ? |
| 14:49.47 | msn | the default image is both bigmem and smp enabled |
| 14:49.51 | msn | nope |
| 14:49.57 | msn | you are using intel? |
| 14:50.03 | MatBoy | msn, wow.. they saw the light :) |
| 14:50.17 | MatBoy | msn, so to be honest... you don;t need to set anything anymore |
| 14:50.23 | msn | yup |
| 14:50.29 | msn | check your /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:50.39 | MatBoy | msn, on what kind of size is the bigmem set ? |
| 14:52.37 | MatBoy | msn, it is nbow linux image instead of kernel-image isn't it ? because both still exist |
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| 14:54.43 | MatBoy | But on the bigmem version bigmem is enabled and on the normal version not ? |
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| 15:01.08 | MatBoy | where is everybody ? |
| 15:01.46 | ofer0 | MatBoy, here |
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| 15:01.59 | MatBoy | ofer0, I'm going to kiss you !!! |
| 15:02.04 | MatBoy | :p |
| 15:02.33 | Ronin | too much information :) |
| 15:02.35 | Daveman | o_O |
| 15:02.46 | Supaplex | !kiss MatBoy |
| 15:02.57 | MatBoy | !love Supaplex |
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| 15:03.55 | MatBoy | But damn, I need to figure out what kernel is best.... the BIGMEM is my startup is not what I want if only the setting is made.. or is the kernel totally different ? |
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| 15:08.08 | MatBoy | huh, since when don't you need to compile it anymore ? |
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| 15:15.10 | godzirra | is there a way to extract the files from a .deb without installing it? |
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| 15:16.20 | jelly-home | godzirra: yes, man dpkg. dpkg --extract file.deb |
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| 15:17.23 | godzirra | jelly-home: thanks. |
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| 15:20.22 | teardrop | psycodad: hey you there :)? |
| 15:20.28 | jelly-home | is there a channel for openoffice.org? |
| 15:21.32 | jelly-home | nm, found #users.openoffice.org and #openoffice.org |
| 15:23.38 | teardrop | anyone know how much NoMachine NX is? |
| 15:26.00 | futex | i have a problem with iptable, i have compiled a 2.6.17 kernel and when i start my firewall, i have this error: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 15:27.23 | cahoot | futex: forgot xtables? |
| 15:27.27 | futex | state match suport is compiling like a module |
| 15:27.35 | futex | xtables? |
| 15:27.41 | cahoot | see |
| 15:28.13 | futex | Netfilter xtable support compilint like a module |
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| 15:28.38 | futex | or buikd in the kernel? |
| 15:28.43 | futex | *build |
| 15:28.55 | cahoot | doesn't mtter |
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| 15:29.24 | epsilon | just compile all stuff you need in your firewall script into the kernel |
| 15:31.19 | amee2k | i have a SNI PRO C6 system. the onboard sound card is enabled in BIOS but doesn't show up on lspci. what other tools are there to find the device and determine its type? |
| 15:31.21 | futex | you compile all netfilter option in the kernel? |
| 15:31.30 | futex | not in module |
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| 15:33.15 | Natalia_ | hejka |
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| 15:33.24 | amee2k | any hints? |
| 15:33.44 | teardrop | has anyone here ever used NoMachine NX |
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| 15:34.00 | Natalia_ | hello |
| 15:34.14 | teardrop | Natalia_: hey |
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| 15:34.29 | amee2k | the system still uses an ISA bui. does lspci show ISA devices too? |
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| 15:35.04 | wols | amee2k: no it doesn't |
| 15:35.20 | haldrik | how I can change eth1 to eth0, if eth0 is national semi and eth1 is realtek? |
| 15:35.31 | haldrik | sorry, hello |
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| 15:35.36 | wols | haldrik: load the realtek driver first |
| 15:35.39 | petemc | haldrik: ifrename |
| 15:35.51 | haldrik | petemc: ok |
| 15:36.01 | amee2k | how can i list devices on other bus types than PCI? |
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| 15:36.12 | teardrop | lsisa lol |
| 15:36.17 | amee2k | apt-cache show isisa came up with nothing |
| 15:36.22 | wols | amee2k: not really possible. ISA has no support for such a thing |
| 15:36.37 | wols | isapnptools perhaps, but that's about it |
| 15:36.54 | petemc | amee2k: you can look in dmesg or try cat /proc/ioports or /proc/iomem |
| 15:36.56 | cahoot | amee2k: no sign of it in dmesg? |
| 15:37.04 | Dunedan | Does anybody here have problems with not-loaded-drivers in unstable? I rebooted and no usb-stuff will load automatically. |
| 15:37.08 | teardrop | amee2k: how old is your computer? |
| 15:37.47 | amee2k | teardrop: no idea exactly. i suppose the PPro-170 is still what it came with |
| 15:38.15 | amee2k | downloading isapnptools now |
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| 15:38.43 | haldrik | wols: petemc , I need more help |
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| 15:39.41 | dareth | Just setup samba again... having odd perm problem this time for some reason. |
| 15:39.41 | laurens | hi :-) |
| 15:39.52 | amee2k | think i found it in dmesg |
| 15:40.19 | dareth | I authenticate with a user account to a samba share. Anything I create with this user account is coming up owned by root, and I can delete things the user I authenticated with does not have perm to delete. |
| 15:40.23 | amee2k | isapnp: Card 'Creative ViBRA16C PnP' |
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| 15:42.09 | sysop | hi guys |
| 15:42.17 | laurens | hello |
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| 15:42.53 | wols | amee2k: SB16 IIRC |
| 15:42.55 | sysop | ne here got vlc to use win32 codecs under debian? I was just wondering if I would have to recompile vlc or would the debian version work ok? |
| 15:43.42 | teardrop | sysop: why do you want to use win32 codecs? |
| 15:43.54 | moshii | sysop: Doesn't vlc have it's own native decoders for most stuff? |
| 15:44.25 | moshii | sysop: last thing i heard dvdjon got wmv decoding going ;) |
| 15:44.25 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:46.43 | rbd | guys what's the name of that shell mouse daemon (allows you to use the mouse in the shell to copy/paste code, interact with ncurses, etc) |
| 15:46.58 | Dunedan | rbd: gpm |
| 15:47.04 | rbd | that's it, thanks |
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| 15:47.29 | teardrop | does the middle scroll work with gpm? |
| 15:48.03 | sysop | sorry was afk for sec |
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| 15:48.18 | sysop | I want to play vp61 streams. which there is no linux codec for. |
| 15:48.26 | sysop | I love my winamp tv. |
| 15:48.49 | amee2k | how can i test if a specified package is installed? |
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| 15:48.59 | teardrop | sysop: your going to watch winamp tv through vnc? |
| 15:49.10 | sysop | vlc. not vnc. |
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| 15:49.21 | teardrop | sysop: ohhhhhhhhhh |
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| 15:49.30 | qbit_wrk | anyone have any issues with /dev freaking out .. moving things like input/mice to .static/input/mice? |
| 15:49.47 | qbit_wrk | not really sure if it moved it .. but it's not where it should be now |
| 15:49.49 | sysop | so ne clues teardrop? |
| 15:49.56 | amee2k | o.O |
| 15:49.58 | teardrop | sysop: have you tried automatrix? |
| 15:50.20 | sysop | I put them in usr/lib/win32 like the package for avifile says. |
| 15:50.34 | sysop | teardrop no what is automatrix? |
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| 15:50.57 | qbit_wrk | also.. lsusb shows no devices.. but i am currently typing on a usb keyboard |
| 15:51.03 | qbit_wrk | ... not sure how |
| 15:51.07 | teardrop | sysop: it's a package that helps with install win32 things like codecs |
| 15:51.26 | narasim_7 | teardrop: sysop : i installed debian sarge 3.1(the one released last year) but unfortunately i messed up something in graphics configuration and theres a error in X loading..its going to terminal.. |
| 15:51.47 | narasim_7 | my configuration is P4 2.4 Ghz 845GVSR |
| 15:51.48 | amee2k | how can i find out if a package is already installed? |
| 15:51.55 | Trewas | sysop: have you checked if marillat repository has them? |
| 15:51.58 | qbit_wrk | dpkg-query -l | grep pkgname |
| 15:52.02 | qbit_wrk | amee2k :) |
| 15:52.29 | amee2k | ty |
| 15:52.31 | qbit_wrk | np |
| 15:52.45 | narasim_7 | qbit_wrk: : i installed debian sarge 3.1(the one released last year) but unfortunately i messed up something in graphics configuration and theres a error in X loading..its going to terminal.. |
| 15:53.08 | qbit_wrk | narasim_7, bummer |
| 15:53.10 | teardrop | narasim_7: are you getting an error when you're starting X (I'll have to leave for class in 3 min) |
| 15:53.22 | teardrop | what's the error? |
| 15:53.30 | amee2k | isn't there a faster way? |
| 15:53.30 | qbit_wrk | /var/log/xorg.conf will have the error |
| 15:53.33 | narasim_7 | teardrop: Lockup spin |
| 15:53.34 | qbit_wrk | could be Xorg.conf |
| 15:53.37 | qbit_wrk | can't remember |
| 15:53.50 | narasim_7 | qbit_wrk: the thing is its says something abt Xfree |
| 15:54.04 | qbit_wrk | are you using xfree or xorg? |
| 15:54.08 | teardrop | narasim_7: check /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 15:54.23 | narasim_7 | qbit_wrk: i think its the cd realeased last year |
| 15:54.33 | wols | there is no xorg in sarge. sarge uses xfree86 still |
| 15:54.42 | teardrop | oh lol |
| 15:54.43 | narasim_7 | teardrop: qbit_wr:will the latest r3 solve my problem |
| 15:54.45 | cydork | !tell narasim_7 about drxx |
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| 15:54.51 | qbit_wrk | narasim_7, maybe |
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| 15:55.02 | linux3 | hey everyone |
| 15:55.02 | qbit_wrk | narasim_7, run `X -configure` |
| 15:55.07 | linux3 | busy day here at school |
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| 15:55.12 | qbit_wrk | then do what it says after that |
| 15:55.20 | sysop | hey teardrop where can I find a debian package for automatrix? I look in dselect and packages.debian.org |
| 15:55.23 | sysop | ed |
| 15:55.27 | wols | qbit_wrk: there is no X -configure in debian. please inform yourself first about debian does things before answering |
| 15:55.41 | wols | sysop: does not exist |
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| 15:55.54 | cydork | narasim_7: check what dpkg has messaged you. |
| 15:55.57 | narasim_7 | teardrop: qbit_wrk cydork:i dont want debbian to ask me qyestions abt my graphics card..i want it to autoconfigure stuff |
| 15:56.03 | sysop | there is dexconf |
| 15:56.32 | qbit_wrk | wols .. is it only in xorg? |
| 15:56.32 | sysop | dexconf will autoconfigure for you. |
| 15:56.36 | qbit_wrk | because i have it |
| 15:56.48 | wols | qbit_wrk: it's not even in X.org for debian. |
| 15:57.05 | FernandoMM | Hello, how can i install mknmz on Debian? Is there a package avaible? |
| 15:57.07 | qbit_wrk | yes it is |
| 15:57.07 | wols | qbit_wrk: the only proper way is drxx |
| 15:57.11 | qbit_wrk | i just ran it |
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| 15:57.18 | qbit_wrk | right.. but for trouble shooting it works great |
| 15:57.28 | wols | qbit_wrk: it will wreck your system in a bad way, destroying the md5sums |
| 15:57.41 | wols | ie. make more problems than solving |
| 15:57.42 | qbit_wrk | hrm.. i have never run into that |
| 15:57.55 | cydork | !xmd5 |
| 15:57.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, x md5sum is If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. Ask me about <xorgmd5> if ... |
| 15:57.59 | cydork | qbit_wrk: ^^ |
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| 15:58.16 | cydork | that what happens if you do anything else than drxx |
| 15:58.17 | wols | qbit_wrk: and while it might work for you, it's the wrong way to tell othres since it's not the "debian way". so keep it for yourself and tell people about the proper ways |
| 15:58.23 | sysop | you should switch to x.org anyway. |
| 15:58.33 | wols | sysop: he cannot |
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| 15:58.40 | qbit_wrk | wols: .. being i didn't tell him to replace his xconfig .. i think we are in the clear |
| 15:58.41 | sysop | oh. damn sorry. |
| 15:59.02 | cydork | wols: sunday? why? |
| 15:59.22 | narasim_7 | dpkg: qbit_wrk: is there any way by which debian wont ask me questions abt graphics card , resolution etc |
| 15:59.22 | dpkg | okay, narasim_7 |
| 15:59.27 | wols | !tell cydork about sunday |
| 15:59.36 | narasim_7 | dpkg: i am worried that i will mess it up |
| 15:59.43 | sysop | btw ne1 know if debians vlc is compiled to use win32 codecs? |
| 15:59.46 | cydork | wols: hehe i never knew about that factoid :P |
| 15:59.55 | cydork | narasim_7: dpkg is a bot. |
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| 16:00.06 | cydork | narasim_7: you just added a useless factoid. |
| 16:00.16 | wols | manuc66: and there is no way. messing it up is no problem, you can retry as often as you want |
| 16:00.18 | cydork | !qbit_wrk: |
| 16:00.21 | narasim_7 | cydork: oh... |
| 16:00.22 | cydork | !qbit_wrk |
| 16:00.40 | qbit_wrk | ? |
| 16:00.41 | narasim_7 | anyway thanks guys..i will try my luck |
| 16:00.45 | wols | narasim_7: just do drxx. what videocard do you have? |
| 16:01.06 | narasim_7 | intel 845 the card that came with the motherboard |
| 16:01.13 | bancus | Hi, I recently upgraded to etch from sarge, and am having trouble with the hotplug->udev transition. Upon the reboot, my wireless driver doesn't load, saying that it can't load the firmware, which worked fine with hotplug. Is there anything obvious I should know about this, or did maybe udev change the firmware directory or something? I've tried google, but I can't find anything that seems to fit. |
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| 16:01.28 | narasim_7 | intel 845 the card that came with the motherboard.. |
| 16:01.32 | jelly-home | narasim_7: choose i810 as the driver |
| 16:01.59 | narasim_7 | jelly-home: i did that...what about the resolution and all..do i need to make any changes |
| 16:02.16 | wols | choose the resolution which you want tor un, that's all |
| 16:02.17 | qbit_wrk | cydork, wols - either of you heard about anyone having issues with /dev being out of wack.. ie moving usb devices like the mouse to /dev/.static/input/mice? |
| 16:02.24 | wols | as for the PCI ID thing: leave it empty and ignore it |
| 16:02.34 | narasim_7 | wols: ok.. |
| 16:02.42 | manuc66 | wols: what do you talk about ? |
| 16:02.43 | wols | qbit_wrk: sure. udev for example |
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| 16:03.01 | narasim_7 | ok..thanks wols jelly-home |
| 16:03.02 | wols | manuc66: squirrels. many many squirrels |
| 16:03.04 | narasim_7 | bye for now |
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| 16:03.16 | qbit_wrk | wols: you have seen a fix? |
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| 16:03.29 | wols | qbit_wrk: no. I don't use udev personally |
| 16:03.36 | wols | I give it another year. or two. or three |
| 16:03.39 | cr3 | does sarge come with udev? |
| 16:03.47 | qbit_wrk | unstable does |
| 16:03.48 | wols | cr3: no |
| 16:04.12 | manuc66 | wols: sorry but squirrels means ? |
| 16:04.24 | wols | !confuse manuc66 |
| 16:04.25 | dpkg | No, what are their weasel yesterday, manuc66? lederhosen of the dictatorship of tibet with extra cream |
| 16:04.28 | cr3 | wols: darn, what about sid? |
| 16:04.38 | wols | see what qbit_wrk said |
| 16:04.49 | qbit_wrk | wols, what kernel you running? |
| 16:04.52 | cr3 | cheers folks! |
| 16:04.56 | wols | 2.6.17.4 |
| 16:05.10 | wols | vanilla |
| 16:05.27 | qbit_wrk | k |
| 16:05.44 | qbit_wrk | you have any network issues? |
| 16:05.56 | wols | no |
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| 16:06.18 | wols | I have sound issues tho. I blame ALSA (nforce2 sound) |
| 16:06.52 | qbit_wrk | i hate alsa |
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| 16:07.06 | wols | I hate OSS even more |
| 16:07.08 | jelly-home | alsa rocks my socks! or whatever |
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| 16:07.14 | qbit_wrk | haha |
| 16:07.20 | qbit_wrk | alsa rocks my sox |
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| 16:07.49 | qbit_wrk | brb.. reboot time :) |
| 16:07.57 | CyberMad | how to capture / log all action after do "./configure" or "make" or "make install"? i want to make a documentation |
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| 16:08.33 | jelly-home | CyberMad: capture the output, or the changes on the filesystem? |
| 16:08.35 | Fox | make 2>&1 >/tmp/debug ? |
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| 16:09.27 | CyberMad | jelly-home capture the output |
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| 16:10.01 | CyberMad | Fox is that related to me? |
| 16:10.06 | jelly-home | CyberMad: either redirect it like Fox said, or use script and run everything you want inside it. |
| 16:10.17 | Fox | yes CyberMad |
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| 16:10.54 | CyberMad | Fox is that works for ./configure ,ex: ./configure 2>&1 >/tmp/debug ? |
| 16:11.07 | Fox | it should yes |
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| 16:11.13 | CyberMad | thanks :) |
| 16:11.17 | Fox | yaw |
| 16:11.38 | cahoot | CyberMad: config log should already be there fwiw |
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| 16:15.01 | Capkirk | just reinstalled an old debian server copied useraccount over to the new server and installed all packages but now i get -> dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statusoverride file |
| 16:15.01 | Capkirk | everytime i try to install new software |
| 16:15.27 | Capkirk | where is this statusoverride file ? |
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| 16:17.25 | Capkirk | found out |
| 16:17.25 | wols | /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride |
| 16:17.25 | wols | doh. too late |
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| 16:31.26 | signuts | Hey guys, I am having a crazy networking issue. For every outbound connection I attempt, I get "Resource Temporarily unavilable" Wether it be a ping or dns request. It appears to only happen once per destination, a second later I connect just fine. |
| 16:31.36 | signuts | I have tried two different switches, 3 different cable and two different built-in ethernet ports on this box. I have no idea what to check next |
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| 16:31.51 | signuts | the only thing that has changed is I recently did an aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 16:34.41 | PumpkinPie | get a new internet connection and a new computer |
| 16:35.08 | PumpkinPie | get a plane ticket |
| 16:35.08 | PumpkinPie | I dont have that problem |
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| 16:38.34 | hj | how can i change the default language in debian ? |
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| 16:40.02 | signuts | PumpkinPie, heh. Well I wish I could =P |
| 16:40.30 | sysop | hey whats an easy way to determine what files where installed with a a particular package? and where they were put? |
| 16:41.25 | jelly-home | sysop: dpkg -L package-name |
| 16:41.35 | sysop | thanks.. |
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| 16:42.31 | Josepot | Hi, I have a certificate for apache, it works, but it shows that uses version 1, This is bad?? usually I see that the most people uses version 3. what is the way to create a version 3? can I use version 1 inestead? |
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| 16:44.13 | MatBoy | Hi All ! |
| 16:44.32 | PumpkinPie | HI |
| 16:45.07 | MatBoy | I have a problem after installing the .17 linux-image... my system will not boot anymore, also not on the old kernel. I have the idea that it is a devfs problem |
| 16:46.07 | MatBoy | I have searched on google, problem is that, I have the idea, you need to boot with an old kernel and mkinitrd the initrd file... problem is ... I can boot :) |
| 16:46.22 | MatBoy | can=can't |
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| 16:48.10 | MatBoy | Damn, this never happened to me before... not even booting from the old kernel |
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| 16:52.56 | cydork | ls |
| 16:53.07 | cydork | damn :) |
| 16:53.08 | MatBoy | cydork, ? |
| 16:53.09 | infernix | firefox seems to segfault when printing anything. running etch here, with cups configured; hp deskjet 5150 through usb. test pages work, openoffice works fine too. any hints as to where to look? |
| 16:53.31 | cydork | MatBoy: too many terminals open :) |
| 16:53.49 | MatBoy | cydork, I know that problem |
| 16:54.03 | MatBoy | cydork, as long as you don type your pass here :p |
| 16:54.29 | cydork | MatBoy: :) |
| 16:55.34 | MatBoy | cydork, it happened to me when I used chat with a registered name for the first times :P |
| 16:56.25 | cydork | MatBoy: heheh |
| 16:57.13 | MatBoy | cydork, but that doesn't fix my problem :P |
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| 16:58.16 | cydork | infernix: bts? |
| 16:58.19 | jfletcher | anyone know of a .nzb compatible usenet client in the debian package repository? |
| 16:58.29 | signuts_ | You know if you type your password in two double stars it doesn't show it. Check it out ************** !! |
| 16:59.58 | infernix | cydork: for what? X print server? firefox? cups? i'd be happy to be able to figure out where the problem lies before going over 100 bug reports:) |
| 16:59.58 | cydork | infernix: try with other apps, if it works it's not a problem of cups. |
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| 17:00.18 | infernix | does openoffice use the X print server? |
| 17:00.43 | MatBoy | How can it be that a apt-get install linux-image-2.6.17-X can mess up the existing kernel ? |
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| 17:02.31 | infernix | hrm. thunderbird prints fine. the plot thickens.. |
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| 17:03.06 | cahoot | infernix: set firefox to use cups? |
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| 17:05.01 | infernix | cahoot: cheers! |
| 17:05.32 | infernix | works fine now. now my next target: a canon scanner:) |
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| 17:05.55 | cahoot | infernix: best of luck |
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| 17:13.21 | piper69_ | good morning all |
| 17:13.32 | piper69_ | how is life treating you all today |
| 17:13.34 | n0dez | good afternoon |
| 17:13.34 | piper69_ | :D |
| 17:13.45 | n0dez | ;) |
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| 17:14.21 | piper69_ | n0dez: hmmm good for you, suck for me, just starting workin' :D |
| 17:14.52 | xdr | happy 9/11 ppl |
| 17:15.00 | n0dez | i see |
| 17:15.06 | n0dez | xdr: lol |
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| 17:15.13 | piper69_ | xdr: lol |
| 17:15.35 | piper69_ | xdr: be nice |
| 17:15.40 | piper69_ | hahahahah |
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| 17:16.17 | xdr | piper69_: I'm nice, you should see me when I get evil ;) |
| 17:16.19 | n0dez | yeah |
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| 17:16.45 | piper69_ | funny thing is that just today i knew that steve irewin passed away |
| 17:16.49 | piper69_ | lol |
| 17:16.55 | xdr | to quote a friend of mine "we dont do terrorist attacks, but if we did they would be the best in the world" |
| 17:17.07 | stew | xdr: please keep it on-topic |
| 17:17.12 | xdr | stew: sry |
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| 17:17.56 | piper69_ | stew: good to see you man, hope you are doing good |
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| 17:18.07 | xdr | we swedes has somekind of trouble understanding that thing of bombing/invading for democracy..... we aren't as enlighted as you americans |
| 17:18.19 | Storkme | how can i get an svn server running on debian? |
| 17:18.25 | xdr | stew: |
| 17:18.33 | xdr | Storkme: svn? |
| 17:18.41 | cydork | Storkme: by installing it, and then configuring it. |
| 17:18.44 | cydork | :) |
| 17:18.52 | Storkme | cydork, what's the package name? |
| 17:18.54 | stew | xdr: keep it on-topic, or go elsewhere |
| 17:19.00 | Storkme | i couldn't find any installation guides on google |
| 17:19.15 | xdr | stew: just finished that sentence, now I'm on topic |
| 17:19.36 | cydork | Storkme: subversion |
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| 17:19.50 | Storkme | ok, thanks |
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| 17:20.02 | cydork | Storkme: try http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/374 |
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| 17:20.29 | Storkme | yeah i was hoping not to use apache |
| 17:20.33 | stew | piper69_: thanks, i've had a week away from computers woking around the house, it's good to be sitting again |
| 17:20.40 | cydork | Storkme: also check /msg dpkg svn |
| 17:20.47 | xdr | Storkme: what do you mean by svn?...long time since I used debian on a daily basis, it just keep running |
| 17:20.55 | piper69_ | stew: wb |
| 17:20.59 | cydork | Storkme: it's not needed. you can just use svnserve |
| 17:21.18 | Storkme | leet |
| 17:21.20 | Storkme | thanks |
| 17:21.59 | cydork | Storkme: np :) |
| 17:26.00 | Storkme | making a LAN svn so i can work on my p2p server on more then one computer easily :) |
| 17:26.01 | vulture | xdr: Subversion - a revision control system (heard of CVS?) |
| 17:26.01 | xdr | stew: if you got a debian server running for 3 years without malfunctioning (except moving the fysical device) is there any point in upgrading? |
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| 17:26.02 | stew | xdr: yes, if you don't you'll have security vulnerabilities |
| 17:26.03 | laimismilas | help to find Intel(R) 855GM Chipset driver for debian |
| 17:26.03 | cydork | xdr: stable debian doesn't have many updates except security |
| 17:26.03 | stew | s/many/any/ |
| 17:26.03 | xdr | stew: but I "think" I upgraded the security vunrebilitys ... |
| 17:26.03 | cydork | ya :P |
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| 17:26.06 | xdr | btw, I got a 233mhz compu with 160mb ram and 4mb videocard ...is there any possibility to use it as a moviebox? |
| 17:26.06 | xdr | matrox videocard that is |
| 17:26.06 | n0dez | i dont think so |
| 17:26.06 | n0dez | id say is 8mb of vram is the min |
| 17:26.12 | stew | ? |
| 17:26.17 | cydork | laimismilas: i810 works for that |
| 17:26.27 | stew | n0dez: why would you need more than 4mb of video ram? |
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| 17:26.37 | psycodad | xdr: if it needs to do ANY decoding, forget it |
| 17:26.46 | laimismilas | but it dos't works good |
| 17:26.47 | n0dez | you need more power |
| 17:27.06 | stew | n0dez: but not more video memory |
| 17:27.10 | cydork | laimismilas: means? |
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| 17:27.30 | psycodad | to show mpg movie fullscreen you'd probably need at least 450MHz |
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| 17:27.42 | fx` | anyone know here can i found java packages, like hibernate, maven, etc? |
| 17:27.46 | laimismilas | a can not play 3D games |
| 17:27.52 | n0dez | with 8 mb of vram, the player sometimes skips some parts |
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| 17:28.34 | xdr | psycodad: well I just wanna play my movies in like 640x480 (all of them) and maybe play some snes games |
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| 17:28.57 | MatBoy | when you run softwareraid... the mdtab needs to be filled with it isn it ? |
| 17:29.06 | psycodad | xdr: don't wanna disencourage you from tryin but i think you should use the box for somethin else.. |
| 17:29.17 | psycodad | its too slow... |
| 17:29.25 | psycodad | just did 4 mythtv installs lately.. |
| 17:29.48 | psycodad | the slowest box was 450MHz and had issues with playing large files |
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| 17:30.23 | xdr | psycodad: you think it'd fit as a fileserver/gateway/firewall? |
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| 17:34.01 | xdr | psycodad: I got a 1,8mhz as that right now, thats why I'm asking |
| 17:34.01 | xdr | and that feels like overkill |
| 17:34.01 | psycodad | xdr: would be perfect for all of them (except a bit overpowered for gateway ;-)), if you choose a slim window manager it could even make a nice X-Desktop |
| 17:34.01 | wols | xdr: yes it will work as a router/filesserver |
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| 17:34.01 | xdr | then maybe just should change compu... argh, I counted yesterday I got like 6 compus at home, 3 usable though |
| 17:34.02 | psycodad | well, i wish i could replace my 1GHz mythtv backends with 1.8GHz... |
| 17:34.02 | psycodad | just stay below 10 and you're still able to date girls ;-) |
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| 17:34.54 | xdr | can anyone tell me why I should chose debian over gentoo? try to convince me, right now I'm in love in gentoo, using it on my lappy and on my fileserver and on that 233mhz box I was talking about distcc does wonders |
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| 17:35.30 | xdr | though I use debian for my mail/webserver |
| 17:35.34 | cydork | !greenhouse |
| 17:35.52 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 17:35.52 | pngwn | xdr, use what you like |
| 17:35.53 | Ronin | xdr: then stay with gentoo if its doing what you want, |
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| 17:36.18 | Kinks | xdr: and if you want to know if you like debian, try it, it's not that much work |
| 17:36.28 | agutierr | hello all: someone knows if its possible to reuse a partition table using preseeds? Thanks :-) |
| 17:36.32 | xdr | pngwn: yeah, but I like them both, that's the problem, my first linux system was a debian system...or wait...a slackware system then a debian systemm |
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| 17:43.20 | wols | agutierr: what is a partition table preseed? |
| 17:43.20 | xdr | I'd never even considered gentoo if it wasn't for distcc... but now I'm so unsure... I try to gather arguments from both sides |
| 17:43.21 | agutierr | preseeds is a method to automatic installation |
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| 17:43.21 | xdr | I know that gentoo is what I'm gonna use for my laptop |
| 17:43.21 | agutierr | is a text file with the answers to all installation process |
| 17:43.21 | infernix | oo yeah. scanner working as well. damn, now i'm out of unusable devices! |
| 17:43.21 | Mooi | How do I install mplayer on Debian etch/testing? I've looked on google but nothing made much sense:/ |
| 17:43.21 | Xteven | look for merillat |
| 17:43.22 | infernix | mooi: apt-cache search mplayer. you might need a line in /etc/apt/sources.list for www.debian-multimedia.org though |
| 17:43.22 | infernix | Xteven: marillat is outdated; see debian-multimedia.org |
| 17:43.22 | cydork | Mooi: /msg dpkg marillat.etch |
| 17:43.22 | Xteven | yeah I know :) |
| 17:43.22 | Xteven | but still, I thought it was the best source for mplayer |
| 17:43.23 | Kinks | it sometimes helps to give people all of the options rather than the one you like personally so they can decide for themselves. |
| 17:43.23 | cydork | Xteven: marillat is the best source .. just do what that factoid says. |
| 17:43.23 | Kinks | =( |
| 17:43.23 | xdr | is there any performance win/loss to use xorg instead of framebuffer? |
| 17:43.23 | xdr | when playing movies etc? |
| 17:43.23 | xdr | using a matrox card atm |
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| 17:43.26 | Mooi | thanks :) |
| 17:43.26 | mintim3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.26 | BajaCondor | Hi everyone, What do you need to do for you /etc/apt/preferences file to take effect? |
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| 17:43.27 | Mooi | mintim3: does this look like ebay? |
| 17:43.27 | Mooi | asshole |
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| 17:43.28 | Ronin | another day another moron spammer bot |
| 17:43.28 | xdr | cause I know that on my gentoo lappy framebuffer sucks and xorg works fine, but I thought that for such an old card frambuffer should be the fastest way to process images |
| 17:43.29 | cydork | agutierr: check http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed it has some info about that afaik |
| 17:43.38 | Mooi | "W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 17:43.38 | Mooi | " |
| 17:43.43 | agutierr | cydork: thanks |
| 17:44.23 | cydork | Mooi: /msg dpkg marillat key |
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| 17:44.52 | BajaCondor | I'm trying to pin xine-ui. Anyone out there with apt pinning experience? |
| 17:44.54 | Sp4rKy | hi |
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| 17:45.13 | Sp4rKy | please i would know if someone use a Hercules DJ console over linux ? |
| 17:45.23 | ab3l | hi how do i know if asus ati radeon 9250/td is supported by debian ? |
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| 17:46.26 | Kinks | ab3l if you take a glimpse at the website the answer may slowly come. |
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| 17:47.06 | boitono | I have noticed that the mount command behaves a little different in some situations in various debian based distros, are there any config files of any kind that mount or it's ilk look at besides fstab? |
| 17:47.17 | ab3l | pls just say YES or NOT |
| 17:47.26 | webfreak | YES or NOT |
| 17:47.36 | epsilon | MAYBE |
| 17:47.36 | webfreak | ... |
| 17:47.37 | JimPanic | lol |
| 17:48.02 | ab3l | ;( |
| 17:48.11 | ab3l | THAT'S NOT FUNNY |
| 17:48.17 | epsilon | YES |
| 17:48.20 | epsilon | happy now? |
| 17:48.28 | webfreak | drop the caps please |
| 17:48.46 | webfreak | pwned |
| 17:48.49 | ab3l | ;-( |
| 17:49.17 | junix|work | is there a way to start an app from the cli to show up on a currently logged in user? |
| 17:49.35 | kingsley | boitono: You might be interested in /etc/mtab |
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| 17:49.53 | boitono | kingsley, I'm not, is there anything else? |
| 17:51.08 | epsilon | finger? |
| 17:52.05 | boitono | specifically involving NTFS mounts... it seems some debian based distros will have handle dirty mounts and other, like knoppix, wont (directly from CLI) |
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| 17:55.16 | nvz | junix|work: what? |
| 17:55.27 | kingsley | boitono: Do you get an error message? |
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| 17:55.53 | nvz | thats generally how it works you type a command and it comes up.. .. .. as the user you logged in as .. |
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| 17:57.29 | kingsley | boitono: FYI, I'll need to leave soon... |
| 17:57.32 | boitono | it was a general error about the volume not being cleanly umounted by windows, I tried Insert and it worked fine, then tried knoppix again and it still complained |
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| 17:59.59 | Mooi | hm |
| 18:00.04 | Mooi | "gpg: "1F41B90" not a key ID: skipping" |
| 18:00.11 | kingsley | boitono: I suggest searching google |
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| 18:00.31 | kingsley | boitono: I suggest searching google's web and usenet archives for the error message. |
| 18:00.57 | Kronoz | hi, should the nvidia 8774 fix the problems with nvidia-glx packages in testing when it reaches testing? |
| 18:01.41 | wols | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 18:01.41 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 18:03.02 | nvz | what are these 40 files apt just fetched on apt-get update? I only have two sources |
| 18:03.12 | nvz | looked to be all timestamped files |
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| 18:06.42 | junix|work | is there a way to get fluxbox to work with VNC? on screen 0? |
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| 18:07.28 | stoffell | evening all |
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| 18:12.40 | Max_- | If I start a RAID1 with 2 HDDs on my server and as it grows want to add a third drive, can it be done easily??? |
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| 18:13.29 | d0uglas | i've been assigned to put the office football pool online. Basically i want it so people can type in their name, check off their weekly picks, and submit it into something that would tally them all up into something spreadsheet-like.. is this a job for PHP? any projects out there that might help me get started? |
| 18:13.36 | d0uglas | running debian |
| 18:13.57 | stoffell | Max_-: raid1 is mirroring, so using 3 hd's is not going to work.. |
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| 18:14.21 | psycodad | Max_-: the concept of RAID1 is mirroring, that means 2 disks... no need for a 3rd |
| 18:14.45 | psycodad | except as hotspare. but that gives you not more room |
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| 18:14.54 | Max_- | the question is not the need ... I just want to know if I can protect against a double fail easily with raid1 |
| 18:15.00 | webfreak | just more of a security blanket ;) |
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| 18:15.09 | psycodad | d0uglas: try #php ? |
| 18:15.14 | d0uglas | psychodad: ok |
| 18:16.03 | psycodad | Max_-: double fail ? you mean both mirror disks ? |
| 18:16.04 | Max_- | stoffell, wikipedia (among others) says that RAID1 can support 2 or more HDDs |
| 18:16.12 | Max_- | psycodad, yes |
| 18:16.39 | psycodad | have 2 hotspares and pray for a large enough timeframe |
| 18:16.48 | psycodad | before the 2nd disk fails |
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| 18:17.27 | psycodad | if you want to protect against 2 components failures you're more looking for a higher RAID level like 5 or 6 then i guess |
| 18:17.40 | stoffell | Max_-: yes, it does. 3 hd's: 2 in raid1, 1 in spare.. |
| 18:18.03 | Max_- | I know... wanted raid 5 yesterday.. but someone argued with me I was better only use raid1... but I'd really be better with raid 6 |
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| 18:19.05 | psycodad | or RAID 10 maybe interesting too for you |
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| 18:21.36 | paines | hi |
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| 18:22.44 | paines | i upgraded my server and now I cannot use my svn repository cause the svn tools are newer then the db. is there a chance to apt-get install the old subversion version/package |
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| 18:23.17 | teardrop | psycodad: ping? |
| 18:23.23 | DJVG | Hello |
| 18:23.25 | psycodad | pong |
| 18:23.55 | DJVG | i have a problem with ProfTpd |
| 18:24.01 | teardrop | psycodad: did you buy NoMachine sbs? |
| 18:24.06 | psycodad | yes |
| 18:24.12 | teardrop | psycodad: how much did it cost? |
| 18:24.22 | signuts | All of a sudden my box returns EAGAN "Resource temporarily unavailable" for all connections. doing a bit further searching shows connect() returns -1, EAGAIN and stops there. The strange part is it happened after a dist-upgrade to testing. |
| 18:24.27 | psycodad | DJVG: describe your problem more |
| 18:24.30 | DJVG | ok |
| 18:24.32 | DJVG | thnx |
| 18:24.38 | DJVG | i want add users |
| 18:24.39 | DJVG | but |
| 18:24.43 | DJVG | he cant find the group |
| 18:25.10 | signuts | I am on 2.6.17.13 and the other juicy tid bit is it only happens once per host, but later (like 30+ min) it will happen again for similar hosts |
| 18:25.16 | DJVG | what is the adduser query for a clean debian setup |
| 18:25.23 | signuts | Anyone have any idea what the heck could go wrong. debian configured my kernel like crap! |
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| 18:25.31 | psycodad | teardrop: it was about 250 Euro if i remember right for 5 users, however licensing has changed massively meanwhile |
| 18:25.34 | DJVG | and clean proftpd software |
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| 18:26.28 | teardrop | psycodad: damn that's a lot |
| 18:27.02 | psycodad | teardrop: go for freenx its cool. i can even provide my installation instructions derived from the url i pasted earlier |
| 18:27.22 | teardrop | psycodad: but I'm worried that the windows NX client won't work with it |
| 18:27.26 | psycodad | if your machine is not 200MHz you'll have it running in less than 15mins |
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| 18:27.41 | psycodad | it will, just use the 1.5 its fine |
| 18:28.03 | psycodad | I use NX all the day, haven't switched to anything 2.x for the clients yet and i am happy with it. |
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| 18:28.22 | teardrop | psycodad: alright I'll try freenx :) I saw some repositories |
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| 18:28.57 | jester- | anyone had problem just after sid ugraded today? |
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| 18:29.40 | DJVG | Is there someone they can help me? |
| 18:30.02 | psycodad | teardrop: hang on i paste my install instructions to pastebin.. |
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| 18:30.36 | teardrop | psycodad: alright :) |
| 18:30.49 | psycodad | damned pastebin.com, hangs forever on my post...*grrr* |
| 18:31.01 | teardrop | psycodad: try pastebin.ca |
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| 18:31.38 | psycodad | DJVG: pls be more precise and i'll try to help you |
| 18:31.45 | psycodad | teardrop: thx ;-) http://pastebin.ca/167148 |
| 18:31.59 | DJVG | psycodad: i want adduser tot proftpd |
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| 18:32.34 | DJVG | psycodad addusers* |
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| 18:33.09 | psycodad | and what happens to be the problem then ? |
| 18:33.14 | teardrop | psycodad: thanks :) |
| 18:33.23 | psycodad | yw...lemme know if it works |
| 18:33.26 | tremor | junix|work: for me it works with fluxbox and vnc |
| 18:33.33 | DJVG | psycodad: i don't know how i must addusers... |
| 18:33.37 | psycodad | it worked for me half a dozen times yet |
| 18:33.41 | teardrop | psycodad: I'll try that now |
| 18:34.04 | psycodad | DJVG: add a user to the system with adduser command |
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| 18:34.12 | psycodad | teardrop: good luck! |
| 18:34.15 | troubled | how do i get a default X configuration, i lost mine and dpkg-reconfigure xserverr-xorg won't write one |
| 18:34.35 | DJVG | psycodad: Yeah thats true, but it wasn't add to the FTP users. |
| 18:34.52 | troubled | Xorg -configure won't help much have to edit too much manually then |
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| 18:35.08 | psycodad | depending on what you wanna do, you dont need to add the users to a special group to be able to use ftp |
| 18:35.14 | Ono | how can i change system language? |
| 18:35.31 | wols | !tell troubled about xmd5 |
| 18:35.43 | Ono | dpkg-reconfigure locales isn't work |
| 18:36.07 | Ono | export LANGUAGE=en_US isn't work |
| 18:36.09 | Ono | :( |
| 18:36.49 | teardrop | psycodad: coudn't I just add the deb instead of deb-src so I dont have to compile it? |
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| 18:37.02 | wols | Ono: cuase it would be LANG= |
| 18:37.12 | jester- | Ono: maybe you have to install language package |
| 18:37.13 | DJVG | psycodad: i have a script they add a user tot the normal users on the system and add a user to mysql |
| 18:37.15 | psycodad | teardrop: if you find packages compiled for your processor, yes. |
| 18:37.25 | psycodad | I could even give you my debs for ppc and i686 |
| 18:37.29 | Ono | ok i try lang |
| 18:37.39 | wols | LANG |
| 18:37.56 | DJVG | psycodad: the system craate a directory /home/(username) but the ftp most go to /home/(username) Webhosting... |
| 18:38.15 | ktwilight | is there any reason why phpldapadmin requires apache1.3 instead of apache2? |
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| 18:38.32 | psycodad | DJVG: you mean you want to start the session in the webdir in users home ? |
| 18:38.35 | ktwilight | am on etch btw |
| 18:38.43 | teardrop | psycodad: well I have i686 and the only ones available in the repo are i386 |
| 18:38.47 | Ono | it isn't work :( |
| 18:38.55 | DJVG | psycodad: yes |
| 18:39.00 | psycodad | teardrop: works fine no prob |
| 18:39.07 | psycodad | install the i386 |
| 18:39.43 | psycodad | DJVG: and setting it on the clients is no option ? |
| 18:39.48 | wols | Ono: how does dpkg-reocnifugre locales not work? |
| 18:39.52 | teardrop | psycodad: alright will try :) |
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| 18:40.06 | DJVG | psycodad: i'm dutch and my engelish is very bad :( |
| 18:40.18 | psycodad | teardrop: see you in 10 mins from your NX session :-) |
| 18:40.41 | psycodad | DJVG: im swiss and im trying my best ;-) |
| 18:41.18 | DJVG | psycodad: what are the option options tot add a user to the FTP user database with the same name and same password...and /home/(username) |
| 18:41.39 | teardrop | psycodad: do I need to configure anything or what? |
| 18:41.42 | psycodad | DJVG: i was saying that you should try to set the ftp clients to start in the webdir |
| 18:42.24 | DJVG | psycodad: There is someone they translate it for me :p |
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| 18:42.33 | psycodad | teardrop: no, afair just install the debs and you're done (you need some X-libraries installed, as if you could run X locally) |
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| 18:44.22 | DJVG | psycodad: Yeah, but how? |
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| 18:45.52 | nvz | yeah buddy the body count just keeps rising I think this war is almost over.. I think the body count is near 200 or so the smaller pests are harder to see but I gunned down about 30 house flies |
| 18:45.54 | teardrop | psycodad: ping? |
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| 18:46.24 | paines | how can i install an older version of subversion with apt-get ? i am looking for 1.23 |
| 18:46.28 | nvz | I found using the tetramethrin with the permethrin makes for a more interesting seizure effect on house flies |
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| 18:48.15 | jelly-home | what was that bubble bobble online clone someone mentioned here a bit ago? |
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| 18:48.36 | nvz | clone of bubble bobble? *shrug* |
| 18:48.42 | nvz | I never played bubble bobble |
| 18:49.27 | cahoot | bubnbros? |
| 18:50.00 | jelly-home | cahoot: that might be it, yes |
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| 18:51.16 | DJVG | brb |
| 18:51.37 | nvz | oh wait I played bubble bobble its bubnbros I never played |
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| 18:51.43 | jfletcher | instead of that foot |
| 18:51.45 | stoffell | what's the recommended way to run mysql 4.1 on etch ? |
| 18:51.45 | jfletcher | anyone know where I can edit the logo that the gnome-starter menu uses? |
| 18:51.58 | jfletcher | stoffell: run mysql 5? |
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| 18:53.34 | stoffell | jfletcher: no, trying to avoid that |
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| 18:59.42 | bahatpc | hello |
| 19:00.13 | troubled | fucking FLY is translated FruchtFliege into german ? |
| 19:00.19 | troubled | lol |
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| 19:01.04 | bahatpc | troubled: no, just fliege |
| 19:01.18 | bahatpc | troubled: fruchtfliege literally means 'fruit fly' |
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| 19:04.12 | WorldBFree | what is the best partition manager/disk tools. isnt there a live cd of something? |
| 19:04.15 | Malagmyr | Have any of you ever heard of a way to use a mobile phone (with a modem) as a dial-in device to access the internet with? I want to call my phone from my other phone (which I can do for free) and then be connected to my internet connection at home. |
| 19:04.42 | sysop | sure |
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| 19:04.57 | bahatpc | Malagmyr: gnokii comes to mind |
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| 19:05.26 | troubled | how do i disable the kernel message filter writing on textconsole ? |
| 19:05.47 | troubled | i tried it with syslog-ng.conf without success |
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| 19:08.14 | diepes | does debian load modules automatic with discover ? |
| 19:08.14 | signuts | I am having a huge problem w/ debian |
| 19:08.37 | Storkme | if i'm running svnserve as a daemon on 192.168.0.3, how do co from it? |
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| 19:09.30 | signuts | somehow it screwed up my tcpip stack, anytime I go to connect to a server it says (just once every 30 min or so) connect: EAGAIN "Resource temporarily unavailble" This has only become a problem since i've ran aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 19:09.44 | signuts | Storkme, svn co http://svn1.server.com/repos/package/etc |
| 19:10.27 | Storkme | signuts, how do i know what port to connect to? |
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| 19:11.28 | piper69_ | how can i remote connect to my debian box using a windows machine please? |
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| 19:11.38 | Supaplex | with a network |
| 19:11.44 | Supaplex | or a serial cable |
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| 19:12.19 | piper69_ | Supaplex: was that a question for me ? |
| 19:12.33 | Storkme | help someone :\ |
| 19:12.34 | Supaplex | no, it was a reply for your question. |
| 19:12.41 | Supaplex | !help Storkme |
| 19:12.41 | cahoot | piper69_: putty is a ssh client for win |
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| 19:12.53 | cyd0rk | !test |
| 19:12.54 | dpkg | Sorry, cyd0rk, I didn't get your test. |
| 19:13.19 | piper69_ | cahoot: i know about putty but putty is only ssh, i was looking more on the GUI side |
| 19:13.48 | cyd0rk | piper69_, vnc? |
| 19:13.52 | Ronin | piper69_: putty and x forwarding |
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| 19:14.12 | wols | piper69_: remote X, vnc, freenx, ... |
| 19:14.51 | psycodad | teardrop-afk: pong |
| 19:14.52 | cyd0rk | wols, freenx reached debian? |
| 19:14.58 | cahoot | piper69_: got a fast connection? |
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| 19:15.12 | piper69_ | cahoot: ds3 |
| 19:15.24 | piper69_ | cahoot: i have a DS3 connection |
| 19:15.52 | piper69_ | and T1 |
| 19:16.09 | Supaplex | f33r the t1. gimmie the ds3. :) |
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| 19:16.35 | norc | hello. i cant connect as a user though ssh to my debian box, any hints? :) |
| 19:16.45 | norc | (but possible as root) |
| 19:17.13 | tremor | eek |
| 19:17.16 | js_ | norc: check /var/log/auth.log |
| 19:17.32 | piper69_ | Supaplex: @ work is the DS3 and T1, but when i go home it drop down to 56kbps lol |
| 19:17.36 | piper69_ | so it sucks |
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| 19:18.02 | norc | js_: (pam_unix) session closed for user norc |
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| 19:18.02 | norc | thats all I get |
| 19:18.21 | norc | I can even type my password, but if I press enter then I just get disconnected |
| 19:18.22 | piper69_ | i was thinking to use my laptop thru VPN and connect to one of my linux box over work |
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| 19:18.30 | js_ | norc: what shell does the user have? |
| 19:18.50 | spldart | Question: For virus scan/control on my deb boxes is the apt available Aegis and clamav good enough or is there something better i should consider? |
| 19:19.25 | Supaplex | piper69_: yea, I have a few ds3's here (work). and 5mbit dsl at home. (which I hardly use it seems) |
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| 19:20.24 | piper69_ | Supaplex: i know man, working on this high speed at work, then going home and use your personal one makes me feel bad for myself |
| 19:20.28 | piper69_ | lol |
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| 19:22.45 | piper69_ | is there is GUI VNC i can get for debian |
| 19:22.45 | Supaplex | !tell piper69_ -about search |
| 19:22.48 | spldart | slow bot? |
| 19:23.17 | spldart | !tell spldart -about search |
| 19:23.23 | spldart | ah |
| 19:23.26 | cyd0rk | !tell spldart about msg the bot |
| 19:23.29 | cyd0rk | :) |
| 19:23.34 | spldart | hehe |
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| 19:24.28 | dan2 | abrotman: hey |
| 19:24.38 | ry1 | abrotman: hello |
| 19:24.40 | abrotman | dan2: did you quit school ? |
| 19:24.48 | dan2 | nope school's out at 2.25 |
| 19:25.00 | abrotman | ry1: hi |
| 19:25.04 | abrotman | dan2: oh .. slackers |
| 19:25.44 | AP-kms | Hi. I'm running debian stable on a server and I'm having trouble with the old postfix (2.1.x), I want to upgrade to 2.2.x or 2.3.x but they only exist on testing/unstable package trees. Is there a way to install postfix from these trees? |
| 19:25.52 | piper69_ | abrotman: hello man how are you doing |
| 19:26.01 | abrotman | AP-kms: /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:26.03 | abrotman | piper69_: hi |
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| 19:26.11 | AP-kms | thanks |
| 19:26.27 | piper69_ | Supaplex: this could be a stupid question, but how can i know if i am using KDE or Gnome |
| 19:26.56 | signuts | Storkme, I don't follow... |
| 19:26.56 | abrotman | piper69_: see a footprint or a K ? |
| 19:26.56 | Storkme | how do i connect to a svn server when i used the command: svnserve -d -r /var/svn/peerpirate/ --listen-port 61453 |
| 19:27.06 | abrotman | piper69_: or .. right click on the taskbar .. see an "About" ? |
| 19:27.13 | signuts | Storkme, oh.. just put the port in svn co http://somehost:port/repos/etc |
| 19:27.29 | piper69_ | abrotman: :) gnome |
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| 19:27.42 | AP-kms | isn't there a simpler way other than compiling the packages? |
| 19:27.52 | abrotman | AP-kms: try backports.org .. the bot mentioned it |
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| 19:28.31 | piper69_ | abrotman: i want to use xdm but scared if i switch my monitor will not work, i had hard time setting it up |
| 19:28.39 | norc | Mhmm.. I read some parts of the documentation a few times, but I still dont get howto install a package from the testing tree |
| 19:28.45 | AP-kms | oh, I think I understood the reason, tell me if I'm correct: the postfix package on the unstable tree for example is compiled against newer libraries that result more deps |
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| 19:28.49 | abrotman | piper69_: does X work ? |
| 19:28.51 | ry1 | abrotman: there is a new gnome based screen reader called orca: problem is that it depends on a very old package called librrd0.1, now in sarge on up, that package has been replaced by librrd2-dev, is there a way to change the dependencies so that dpkg doesn't complain about there being no librrd-0.1? |
| 19:28.52 | norc | Is there any user-friendly documenation for debian? |
| 19:29.08 | abrotman | AP-kms: check backports.org .. there are newer postffix packages there |
| 19:29.17 | abrotman | AP-kms: and make sure you follow the instructions there |
| 19:29.21 | abrotman | !tell norc about grounding |
| 19:29.23 | AP-kms | thank you |
| 19:29.23 | ry1 | norc: man pages |
| 19:29.26 | liran_ | hey abrotman |
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| 19:29.36 | AP-kms | and about what I said, am I correct? |
| 19:29.37 | abrotman | ry1: do you have the source package ? |
| 19:29.38 | stew | norc: if you are running stable you don't want to install packages from the testing tree, /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:29.39 | abrotman | liran_: hi |
| 19:29.39 | piper69_ | abrotman: hmmmm i don't know ? |
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| 19:30.01 | abrotman | ok ... |
| 19:30.04 | ry1 | abrotman: I could get it I suppose, would that fix the dep problems? or do I just edit it's makefile? |
| 19:30.18 | signuts | debian is driving me nutty. somehow it screwed up my tcpip stack, anytime I go to connect to a server it says (just once every 30 min or so) connect: EAGAIN "Resource temporarily unavailble" This has only become a problem since i've ran aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 19:30.22 | abrotman | ry1: you edit the control file |
| 19:30.36 | signuts | Anyone have any input? I don't have this problem on a live cd |
| 19:30.43 | norc | mhmm.. :/ |
| 19:30.43 | norc | ko |
| 19:30.46 | norc | thanks |
| 19:30.54 | ry1 | abrotman: thanks, I'll look that up |
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| 19:32.30 | signuts | Crazy rediculous! |
| 19:32.40 | sgeigerbot | What's the way to get to the command prompt when you are booted from the debian-installer CD? |
| 19:32.58 | signuts | sgeigerbot, echo $PS1 |
| 19:33.02 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f3 or f2 |
| 19:33.03 | norc | stew: well, maybe I do want.. if there is any package only available in testing but not in stable, eh? |
| 19:33.31 | stew | norc: what package? |
| 19:33.39 | stew | norc: in general you can't do that safely |
| 19:33.51 | norc | stew: rtorrent for example |
| 19:33.53 | signuts | so there is no way to go back to a stable version of debian (i'm on testing atm) |
| 19:33.57 | signuts | somehow it whacked my box |
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| 19:34.52 | Supaplex | signuts: downgrading isn't supported. Last time I forced it, I ended up restoring an armfull of config files from backup. :P |
| 19:35.20 | signuts | Supaplex, I am screwed either way |
| 19:36.03 | cyd0rk | signuts, testing is preety stable now days, well stable than many distributions out there. |
| 19:36.04 | signuts | Supaplex, every single connection I make to the network returns EAGAIN (Resource Temporarily disabled) no matter what kernel I boot. |
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| 19:36.07 | stew | norc: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 19:36.28 | signuts | the catch is it only happens once every 30min or so per host |
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| 19:36.44 | norc | stew: thanks :) |
| 19:36.56 | Supaplex | oh that must be fun |
| 19:37.15 | signuts | Supaplex, oodles |
| 19:37.21 | AP-kms | I'm getting postfix: Depends: libsasl2 (>= 2.1.19.dfsg1) but 2.1.19-1.5sarge1 is to be installed |
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| 19:37.32 | AP-kms | what the hell? :) |
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| 19:39.32 | AP-kms | nvm, apt-get -f install solved it |
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| 19:41.30 | AP-kms | abrotman: thanks dude :) |
| 19:41.45 | abrotman | got it ? |
| 19:41.49 | DJVG | Is there someone they van help me :( |
| 19:41.52 | AP-kms | yup :) |
| 19:42.01 | DJVG | can* |
| 19:42.08 | AP-kms | the first problem was I had to install a backported library, so didn't try to apt-get -f install again |
| 19:42.22 | AP-kms | looked for that other lib on backports and didn't find it.. |
| 19:42.34 | abrotman | you didn't follow instructions i don't think .. but ok |
| 19:42.42 | AP-kms | yes I did |
| 19:42.44 | AP-kms | I'll show you |
| 19:42.58 | abrotman | i'll take your word for it :) |
| 19:42.59 | AP-kms | hmm, backbuffer isn't long enough, never mind :) |
| 19:43.18 | AP-kms | had to install lsb-base_3.1-9bpo1_all.deb from backports ... |
| 19:43.23 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 19:43.27 | AP-kms | see? :) |
| 19:43.51 | AP-kms | I'm not that fimilar with debian |
| 19:43.54 | AP-kms | I'm more of a gentoo person |
| 19:44.04 | AP-kms | *don't shoot me* |
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| 19:44.22 | AP-kms | debian is really cool though, I might start using it as a workstation |
| 19:44.30 | DJVG | Ehmm |
| 19:44.37 | DJVG | is have a proftpd problem |
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| 19:47.26 | AP-kms | DJVG: this is the part when you ask the QUESTION |
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| 19:48.08 | DJVG | Ow sorry :) |
| 19:48.14 | DJVG | this is my first time on IRC :) |
| 19:48.21 | signuts | binary distributions rock, there is no need to compile your entire system |
| 19:48.42 | DJVG | I have a scripts they adds users and create a database with the username |
| 19:48.57 | DJVG | but i want to use that users on the ftp |
| 19:48.57 | signuts | So I have a question about the people not answering my question ;) |
| 19:49.02 | abrotman | signuts: you can compile on debian .. and IIRc .. gentoo has binary packages |
| 19:49.59 | signuts | ugh |
| 19:49.59 | wols | signuts: did you upgrade your kernel? |
| 19:50.07 | DJVG | In the dir /home/(username) (creted by: mkdir /home/$1/public_html) |
| 19:50.12 | signuts | wols, no matter what kernel I build i have the same problem |
| 19:50.33 | wols | signuts: libc6 problem then? |
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| 19:50.36 | signuts | I build my own for g33k factor. but using a pre-built debian yields the same problem |
| 19:50.49 | signuts | wols, I reckon, I can see if I can force install it again |
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| 19:52.26 | signuts | wols, is there a way to force install a package? |
| 19:53.01 | jelly-home | signuts: does your network problem happen for all the connections or just some? |
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| 19:53.14 | signuts | jelly, once every 20-30min or so per host |
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| 19:54.05 | wols | signuts: dpkg -i for example |
| 19:54.09 | DJVG | ??? |
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| 19:55.14 | milez | hi guys |
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| 19:56.03 | milez | with no place better to ask (#knoppix is dead) - did any of you ever try remastering knoppix or any other livecd to work with an amd64 kernel against the standard 32bit binaries? |
| 19:56.15 | signuts | Why is there a glibc and a libc |
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| 20:01.03 | signuts | For the sake of debian user sanity, How the hell do I force (re-install) an application |
| 20:01.08 | raf256 | debian.org download is very not-user-friendly page! |
| 20:01.33 | signuts | raf256, aye |
| 20:01.46 | raf256 | I was unable to find debian 64 download in half hour! |
| 20:01.56 | raf256 | (including trying Jigdo, and searching for IRC client) |
| 20:02.01 | raf256 | also, Jigdo sucks |
| 20:02.16 | asg | raf256: I'm sure the #debian-amd64 folks could have given you a few hints |
| 20:02.16 | wols | signuts: there is only a libc. apt-get install --reinstall |
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| 20:02.39 | raf256 | asg: probably, but that SuSE had only some broken IRC client installed |
| 20:02.45 | raf256 | I must reinstall my dad's work OS |
| 20:02.47 | signuts | wols, you sure? I don't have a package called libc |
| 20:02.51 | signuts | it is called glibc |
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| 20:03.17 | wols | yes. GNU libc. which happens to be your libc6 |
| 20:04.04 | signuts | wols, aye. I follow |
| 20:05.00 | signuts | I am at a huge loss of what to try next. I can't think of anything but re-install; that is a hideous solution. |
| 20:05.43 | signuts | No matter what kernel I try, what package I re-install I can not get this damn EAGAIN issue to go away |
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| 20:05.55 | sysop | hey does anyone know if the debian version of vlc will handle win32 codecs? |
| 20:06.29 | signuts | sysop, I would say No unless you're using a non-official repository |
| 20:06.43 | Supaplex | as in run win32 code? or use ported code from somethat that was released on win32? |
| 20:07.03 | Supaplex | somethat/something/ |
| 20:07.10 | sysop | as in run win32 dll s |
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| 20:07.35 | sysop | its possible. mplayer can do it. but mplayer doesnt handle network streams. (or atleast Ic ant find where to do it) |
| 20:08.01 | signuts | sysop, mplayer handles network streams just fine, what _KINDA_ stream? |
| 20:08.06 | signuts | mms:// http:// etc? |
| 20:08.06 | sysop | nsv |
| 20:08.09 | sysop | http |
| 20:08.17 | Supaplex | http is a cakewalk |
| 20:08.35 | sysop | cool. let me go look again. I was unable to find a place to enter a url. |
| 20:08.55 | signuts | you speak of it like it's a gui program, if that's true .. that is likely your problem |
| 20:09.13 | sysop | I really want to get vlc running cause it has a service discovery for the winamptv streams. |
| 20:10.17 | sysop | I dont want to have to cut and paste urls just to watch tv. with vlc its easy. but I need to find a howto on making vlc use win32 codecs. |
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| 20:10.35 | Jeffroiscool | yay another error |
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| 20:10.57 | Jeffroiscool | I reinstalled windows xp and debian just about 30 minutes ago |
| 20:11.05 | Jeffroiscool | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.12 | Jeffroiscool | what to do about it? |
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| 20:11.56 | Jeffroiscool | Anyone? |
| 20:12.02 | Supaplex | sue microsoft! |
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| 20:12.18 | Jeffroiscool | -_-" |
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| 20:12.25 | Jeffroiscool | i cant load grub at all |
| 20:12.37 | Supaplex | what else have you done? |
| 20:12.42 | Jeffroiscool | nothing |
| 20:12.49 | Jeffroiscool | i reinstalled windows xp and debian |
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| 20:13.05 | Jeffroiscool | windows is on hda1 and debian is on hdb1 |
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| 20:13.10 | Supaplex | grub breaks so little for me, I'd have to "stfw" to know. |
| 20:13.23 | Jeffroiscool | stfw? |
| 20:13.25 | Jeffroiscool | !stfw |
| 20:13.25 | dpkg | somebody said stfw was Search The Fucking Web, a modern incarnation of RTFM. <http://google.com/>, <http://google.com/linux>, <http://www.google.com/help/index.html>, <http://groups.google.com/>, <http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/bart.gif>, <http://tldp.org/>. |
| 20:13.51 | some_lame_nick | ne way to migrate '/' out of lvm? |
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| 20:15.47 | Jeffroiscool | ...... |
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| 20:16.22 | sysop | ok got it working on mplayer. now vlc. |
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| 20:16.53 | Angel-SL | hi. everyfile in the root folder is owned by root, right? i accidentally chown gum /* |
| 20:17.03 | signuts | Jeffroiscool, I still prefer STFU |
| 20:17.35 | signuts | Angel-SL, good god that exact command ? or -R also? |
| 20:17.37 | wols | Supaplex: grub is always a bitch to install. if you get it actually installed, it works like a breeze |
| 20:17.47 | asg | Angel-SL: /msg dpkg i frobbed my perms with chmod |
| 20:17.47 | some_lame_nick | that sux |
| 20:18.06 | signuts | some_lame_nick, there surely is, if you have free space elsewhere |
| 20:18.07 | Jeffroiscool | -_-" if i have to stfu ill never get this thing working |
| 20:18.17 | Jeffroiscool | stupid garbage windows |
| 20:18.33 | Supaplex | like I said. :) the best and worst of FOSS apps/utils, is that you have to relearn how to use them the first time you get it running, or when something breaks. |
| 20:18.38 | Jeffroiscool | better if we call it umm sharves :/ |
| 20:18.42 | signuts | My boxen is broken, which inferiates me. and its a problem nobody seems to care to help me w/. |
| 20:18.44 | Angel-SL | signuts: i just did chown gum / |
| 20:19.00 | Angel-SL | signuts: then when i found out, i chown root / |
| 20:19.08 | [TechGuy] | Anyone happen to know a script that adds BIND named.conf entries given a directory of zone files? |
| 20:19.15 | signuts | Angel-SL, well run # chown root / and call it a day |
| 20:19.28 | Angel-SL | phew then |
| 20:19.30 | Angel-SL | thanks |
| 20:19.38 | Angel-SL | night |
| 20:19.50 | DJVG | There are people they use proftpd? |
| 20:20.11 | signuts | DJVG, I have before |
| 20:20.28 | DJVG | I have a problem adding users |
| 20:20.38 | signuts | DJVG, AuthUserFile |
| 20:20.43 | DJVG | proftpd uses the group fto |
| 20:20.44 | maxy | How was the name of that tool to "debian-cleanly" register a sgid program (which is packaged as non-sgid)? |
| 20:20.44 | signuts | DJVG, read that directive |
| 20:20.47 | DJVG | ok |
| 20:20.49 | DJVG | thnx |
| 20:20.54 | DJVG | ftp* |
| 20:20.57 | signuts | DJVG, also look up AUTHGROUPFILE |
| 20:21.02 | DJVG | ok |
| 20:21.03 | DJVG | ty |
| 20:21.10 | DJVG | what are they directorys |
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| 20:21.49 | signuts | maxy, not sure I follow |
| 20:22.21 | maxy | bazaar:~# ls -l $(which xterm) |
| 20:22.21 | maxy | -rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 294560 2006-04-13 06:31 /usr/bin/xterm |
| 20:22.21 | maxy | bazaar:~# ls -l $(which urxvt) |
| 20:22.21 | maxy | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1250684 2006-07-28 10:14 /usr/bin/urxvt |
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| 20:23.00 | maxy | 4 lines is flood? hmpf. |
| 20:23.09 | mrbrdo | how do i install the 2.6 kernel and switch from stable to unstable? any nice guide plz? |
| 20:23.32 | DJVG | where can i find the file AUTHGROUPFILE |
| 20:24.00 | redondo | Hi... somebody knows which of the UDEBS configure the network (perhaps netcfg) and if I can remove it from the installation image? |
| 20:24.02 | signuts | DJVG, AuthGroupFile and AuthUserFile are directives. You have to enable them |
| 20:24.06 | sysop | ne1 got a suggestion where I can find an unnoffical vlc deb that includes windows codec support? |
| 20:24.24 | Malagmyr | I want to set up one of my old boxes, diskless with bootp. I have just one question before I begin, though... Is a box, booted over the network with bootp and tftpd actually able to write to its virtual drive, or do they end up as read-only? |
| 20:24.34 | sysop | I have debian multimedia in my sources.list |
| 20:24.36 | maxy | I want to chmod/chown /usr/bin/urxvt, so it stays after upgrading the package. |
| 20:24.39 | signuts | maxy, and the problem is? |
| 20:25.00 | signuts | Malagmyr, nfs root |
| 20:25.27 | Malagmyr | signuts: ah |
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| 20:27.16 | maxy | signuts: I thought I remembered some debian thingy... suid-register... or some similar name? to make this permanent. |
| 20:27.33 | Angel-SL | signuts: oh and one more thing. i also did (by accident) chown gum /* |
| 20:27.40 | Angel-SL | and chown gum /*/* |
| 20:27.59 | Angel-SL | so i reversed that but dont know if the permissions are right |
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| 20:28.08 | maxy | allright, maybe I just put it into the crontab... |
| 20:28.47 | Angel-SL | signuts? |
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| 20:29.07 | Angel-SL | :o |
| 20:30.14 | mrbrdo | how do i install the 2.6 kernel and switch from stable to unstable? any nice guide or something? |
| 20:30.29 | Angel-SL | signuts? |
| 20:30.31 | Angel-SL | nvm |
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| 20:36.07 | EdLin | mrbrdo: just apt-get the 2.6 kernel and it will work. As for upgrading to sid, iyhtays. |
| 20:36.26 | geekbr | EdLin, why not aptitude ? |
| 20:36.41 | geekbr | is better than apt-get |
| 20:37.00 | EdLin | aptitude works too of course |
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| 20:37.01 | bob_ | hi all, is there anyone running Sid who would like to test my package installs on it? |
| 20:37.14 | geekbr | work's better |
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| 20:37.48 | geekbr | bob_, yeap .. im rum sid all the time |
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| 20:38.05 | geekbr | now im running suse 10 to make a review for my podcast |
| 20:38.10 | bob_ | geekbr, thanks. It's here: http://glchess.sourceforge.net/?q=node/7 |
| 20:38.13 | geekbr | is a nice system |
| 20:38.32 | bob_ | geekbr, I've got a bug report of someone having trouble installing python2.4-gtk2 or similar (the dpkg output is in french) |
| 20:38.35 | EdLin | geekbr: SuSE is kind of slow |
| 20:38.35 | MatBoy | Someone able to help me ? I had a running 2.6.15 kernel, did by a misstake apt-get install linux-image-2.6.17-balabla and now my system will not boot anymore. I googeling, but it's still hanging on devfs that I have NOT in my fstab or such thing |
| 20:39.17 | geekbr | EdLin, yeap .. but im rebuilding my kernel |
| 20:39.43 | geekbr | EdLin, now i think is moore fast than whith the original kernel |
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| 20:40.26 | annoia | A couple of days ago I installed a package that said that I updated from some other package that had broken my init.d scripts, and gave me a path to a doc on how to fix it... What is that path? :P |
| 20:40.39 | EdLin | geekbr: there's more than the kernel behind SuSE's slower speed, having lots of services on by default and YAST, among other things. |
| 20:40.52 | EdLin | geekbr: it's probably a decent newbie distro though |
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| 20:41.09 | geekbr | EdLin, you know about a yast porting for debian ? |
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| 20:41.16 | geekbr | it's true |
| 20:41.27 | EdLin | geekbr: that sounds like a bad idea... |
| 20:41.33 | DaBlade | lilo somegeek: Are you around? |
| 20:41.44 | geekbr | but, my machine is nice .. sure, i will not change my debian .. but suse rulex |
| 20:41.50 | geekbr | soo bether than fedora |
| 20:41.52 | geekbr | yeca |
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| 20:42.16 | MatBoy | nvz, are you there ? |
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| 20:42.39 | EdLin | geekbr: yeah, its better than Fedora, but that's faint praise indeed. |
| 20:42.42 | mrbrdo | Err http://non-us.debian.org unstable/non-US/non-free packages ... 404 not found.. help plz |
| 20:42.57 | EdLin | !non-us |
| 20:42.57 | dpkg | methinks non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 20:43.22 | EdLin | mrbrdo: as you see by the factoid, it doesn't exist anymore |
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| 20:44.22 | mrbrdo | thanks |
| 20:44.24 | mrbrdo | :) |
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| 20:44.57 | EdLin | np |
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| 20:48.28 | geekbr | EdLin, soo .. i prefer my debian at last |
| 20:48.55 | geekbr | EdLin, but suse are running soo fast here |
| 20:49.09 | geekbr | after stop a lot of services and rebuild my kernel |
| 20:49.51 | tremor | annoia: maybe you mean this? -> zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 20:51.16 | tremor | but i remember, that I used a 3-liner only |
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| 20:52.19 | EdLin | geekbr: the type of user SuSE is for is not the type of user that's going to handle kernel compilation |
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| 20:53.22 | annoia | tremor - That seems about right.. |
| 20:53.42 | annoia | tremor - Thanks |
| 20:53.48 | tremor | np |
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| 20:55.14 | tremor | I checked again, it was /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 20:55.25 | jelly-home | Hi, I have a dvd-r that I can access files from in Windows, but not in etch. Running custom 2.6.17.11 kernel, but it didn't work with 2.6.16 either. Any ideas? |
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| 20:56.57 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 20:56.57 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and a dozen sex-crazed bunnies. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 20:57.36 | jelly-home | EdLin: that wsa incredibly helpful, thanks. |
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| 20:58.09 | jelly-home | strace cat /cdrom/file says: [...] read(3, 0x804e000, 4096) = -1 EIO (Input/output error) |
| 20:58.20 | tremor | jelly-home: did you override some restrictions while burning this dvd-r? |
| 20:58.28 | EdLin | jelly-home: if it was a CD, I'd want to know if it had rock-ridge encoding for Unix or not, but I don't think that applies to dvd-r's |
| 20:58.52 | qbit_wrk | i would ask if it was mounted.. but .. you used strace :P |
| 20:58.54 | EdLin | jelly-home: well, after seeing that error message, that's not your problem. :-( |
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| 20:59.28 | jelly-home | tremor: not that I know of, used growisofs with some mkisofs options to specify volume, publisher and similar stuff, also -j and -R. |
| 21:00.31 | jelly-home | EdLin: well, it does have both rockridge and joliet, but I don't see how any of those could result in a I/O error. |
| 21:01.09 | EdLin | jelly-home: right, I noted that |
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| 21:01.55 | BajaCondor | Anyone out there pinning with /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 21:02.04 | EdLin | jelly-home: have you ever experienced problems with your DVD writer before? |
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| 21:02.27 | ma3x | is there a slideshow pictures player? |
| 21:02.31 | ma3x | for kde? |
| 21:02.55 | tremor | it seems a problem related to the kernel somehow, because jelly-home can access the files from within windows |
| 21:03.14 | tremor | but no special idea |
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| 21:04.15 | EdLin | !tell BajaCondor -about pinning |
| 21:04.25 | jelly-home | EdLin: no special problems. A frisbee or two during the lifetime of the burner is expected. |
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| 21:04.47 | EdLin | jelly-home: it's very puzzling. Have you tried unsetting DMA? |
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| 21:05.22 | tremor | jelly-home: does the same problem occure while reading the same file in another drive? |
| 21:05.50 | tralala | ma3x: aptitude search ~dslideshow |
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| 21:06.02 | ma3x | thanks |
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| 21:06.13 | ma3x | how cna I unrar a lot of files at once? unrar e * doesnt work |
| 21:06.26 | BajaCondor | EdLin: Thanks, but I've read that, and I've had it working in the past, it's not working now. |
| 21:06.32 | jelly-home | tremor: strangest thing: it works on my desktop at work, it works on my home machine in windows, but not on the latter machine in Linux |
| 21:06.57 | BajaCondor | libxine1 and xine-ui are disregarding the preferences file. |
| 21:07.02 | tralala | ma3x: for rar in *rar; do unrar $rar; done |
| 21:07.11 | tremor | very strange, yes .. I have no idea on this how to go on |
| 21:08.18 | BajaCondor | The only difference is that the versions I want to pin were installed from compiled deb sources rather than deb binaries. |
| 21:09.02 | jelly-home | EdLin: i could try that but the machine is not really usable when dma for the dvd is disabled. I have to reboot to try it though, the controller is not well supported yet so the only way to get DMA was to force libata driver even for the PATA dvd device. |
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| 21:11.12 | EdLin | bbiab |
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| 21:13.10 | ma3x | tralala, thanks |
| 21:13.14 | SinnerG | anyone know a good tutorial to install & configure a good mail server @ debian |
| 21:13.23 | SinnerG | cause mine is toootally wrongly configured atm ;p |
| 21:13.32 | waiting | SinnerG: what's wrong? |
| 21:13.37 | smhar | hi friends |
| 21:13.39 | SinnerG | sec |
| 21:13.45 | b_52Centos | SinnerG, workaround.org/3 |
| 21:13.48 | b_52Centos | SinnerG, workaround.org |
| 21:13.52 | SinnerG | Deferred: local mailer (/usr/sbin/sensible-mda) exited with EX_TEMPFAIL |
| 21:13.59 | SinnerG | 33K+ of those msgs ;p |
| 21:14.01 | ma3x | tralala, and is there way to make it hit 'A+Enter' everytime at questions like this..... replace file.txt? [y]es, [n]o, [A]ll, [N]one, [r]ename: |
| 21:14.05 | SinnerG | I only use it atm to send msgs (that works) |
| 21:14.06 | smhar | anyone with a nokia 9300 communicator connected to debian? |
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| 21:14.12 | waiting | SinnerG: is it an exim? |
| 21:14.27 | ma3x | because of the many archives, I would have to hit A+Enter thousand times |
| 21:14.51 | SinnerG | no idea.. I just go no xp with emailservers at all :/ |
| 21:15.12 | SinnerG | I'll try workaround.org thx |
| 21:15.18 | waiting | SinnerG: haha, so you should make that clear first :) |
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| 21:15.41 | waiting | SinnerG: I can recommend using postfix, it's smooth to set up. but exim's not bad either I have heard |
| 21:15.54 | ma3x | tralala, like alt+100 and then I press any letter and it comes 100 times |
| 21:16.03 | SinnerG | I'll be happy if it Just Works TM :p |
| 21:16.12 | MtJB_ | i've just switched from gentoo to debian. is there a good place for debian desktop backgrounds? |
| 21:16.20 | waiting | SinnerG: others take long courses for such things |
| 21:16.30 | tremor | ma3x: for rar in *rar; do unrar -y $rar; done |
| 21:16.35 | k-man_ | when i try and run ivman, i get this error "manager.c:1166 (setupHAL) Couldn't initialise HAL!" |
| 21:16.42 | tremor | use -y to assume yes on all queries |
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| 21:17.02 | ma3x | tremor, I already have that, now I'm working with zip (which asks me if I want to overwrite the files every time) |
| 21:17.03 | k-man_ | any idea why ivman fails to initialise HAL? |
| 21:17.09 | stew | k-man_: what version of hal do you have installed? |
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| 21:17.25 | tremor | but read 'unrar --help' first |
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| 21:17.37 | stew | k-man_: and what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:17.47 | ogre | !mouse |
| 21:17.47 | dpkg | hmm... mouse is if you're having trouble with mice in XFree 4.0.2, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. http://www.jahns-arpke.de/Privat/Bautagebuch_/Bautagebuch_mit_Fotos/15_05_2004/Maus.JPG, or http://www.experiencescompany.com/SentImages/Bless%20This%20Mouse.jpg |
| 21:18.02 | k-man_ | 0.5.7.1-1 and 2.6.12.3jbl |
| 21:18.08 | seele_ | hello, how can I configure a microsoft fingerprint reader under linux ???? |
| 21:18.09 | tremor | ma3x: which command for unzip? -> unzip --help |
| 21:18.15 | k-man_ | stew, ah, is it related to kernel versions? |
| 21:18.27 | ma3x | tremor, look: replace readme.txt? [y]es, [n]o, [A]ll, [N]one, [r]ename: |
| 21:18.31 | ma3x | it asks me every time that |
| 21:18.37 | ma3x | and readme is the same file in 1000 archives |
| 21:18.41 | stew | k-man_: yes, your udev requires at least 2.6.15 so udev isn't started so hal cant start so ivman cant start |
| 21:18.44 | ogre | !tell me back button |
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| 21:18.58 | ma3x | and I should be pressing 1000 times (N)o |
| 21:19.02 | ma3x | or (Y)es |
| 21:19.05 | k-man_ | stew, cool, im about to upgrade kernel anyway... thanks |
| 21:19.11 | petemc | ma3x: A |
| 21:19.17 | stew | k-man_: what version of udev do you have now? |
| 21:19.43 | tremor | ma3x: unzip --help says: -o overwrite files WITHOUT promptin |
| 21:19.55 | tremor | or -n never overwrite existing files |
| 21:20.50 | ma3x | tremor, that's right! thanks!!! |
| 21:21.03 | ogre | would someone point me towards the info on how to set up my extra mouse buttons? I can't find it in the wiki :/ |
| 21:21.22 | JoshH | ogre what kind of mouse? |
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| 21:21.42 | heyou | hi everybody |
| 21:21.59 | ogre | Microsoft Intellipoint 5.2 with the back/forth buttons, and the sidewars scrolling wheel (i just want back/forth) |
| 21:22.19 | JoshH | xorg? |
| 21:22.28 | Guerin | ogre: buttons 6 7 probably |
| 21:22.31 | heyou | nobody have make a system in raid 1 ? |
| 21:22.54 | Guerin | ogre: much like 4 5 for normall scrolly |
| 21:22.54 | tremor | petemc: that was the trivial solution ;) so you've taken away the chance for ma3x to learn something by reading the docs ;) |
| 21:22.55 | tremor | s/for/from |
| 21:22.55 | JoshH | ogre |
| 21:22.55 | JoshH | Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "false" Option "ZAxisMapping" "6 7" Option "Buttons" "7" |
| 21:23.01 | JoshH | EndSection |
| 21:23.05 | JoshH | then put |
| 21:23.05 | ogre | graci |
| 21:23.11 | JoshH | xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 8 9 4 5 6 7 10 11" |
| 21:23.13 | JoshH | in your .xinitrc |
| 21:23.33 | ma3x | tremor, actually you took it away. but saved me a lot of time! |
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| 21:24.05 | JoshH | that's if you have xorg 7 |
| 21:24.11 | heyou | i come here because i don't find any howto on google ... :s |
| 21:24.16 | pstickne | I wonder if that's compat with my 20-button mx-laser :P |
| 21:24.23 | JoshH | if you have xfree in sarge then the xmodmap command is different |
| 21:24.26 | ogre | i just updated, been using windows for about 3 months, my g/f can't figure out debian lol |
| 21:24.39 | tremor | ma3x: I disagree .. if you have read carefully, petemc's solution was the simple way |
| 21:24.43 | pstickne | ogre, not even KDE? |
| 21:24.54 | ogre | nope, either that or she doesn't want to learn |
| 21:25.01 | ogre | i'll make her learn it (right afte I do) |
| 21:25.08 | JoshH | GFs who can figure out debian aren't very common |
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| 21:25.16 | JoshH | in my personal experience |
| 21:25.18 | ma3x | tremor, 'A' ? |
| 21:25.30 | tremor | ma3x: yes |
| 21:25.39 | pstickne | JoshH, I guess it's good I directed by late GF towards an iMac ;) |
| 21:26.05 | JoshH | my GF does like macs |
| 21:26.10 | JoshH | but i wouldn't say she can "figure them out" |
| 21:26.12 | ma3x | tremor, it's not. it's asking me again for every archive |
| 21:26.17 | JoshH | she can't figure out windows either, she just knows how to use firefox |
| 21:26.39 | JoshH | but of course, i'm not with her for her computer skills |
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| 21:27.38 | r3m | Hi all, xlsfonts display all font available on my system, but is there a front-end of this program that allow you viewving them by clicking on it ? |
| 21:27.51 | tremor | ma3x: you're right. but hopefully this short discussion will bring you a bit closer to the docs |
| 21:28.02 | tralala | r3m: xfd |
| 21:28.06 | r3m | thanks |
| 21:28.45 | jelly-home | um, xlsfonts doesn't display ttf fonts, does it? |
| 21:28.59 | tralala | it does |
| 21:30.01 | tralala | actually it doesn't display anything - it lists them |
| 21:30.25 | tralala | I'm not sure if xfd can display ttf fonts though |
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| 21:30.56 | ma3x | tremor, it did |
| 21:30.57 | ma3x | thank |
| 21:30.59 | ma3x | tralala, thanks ! |
| 21:31.10 | tremor | ma3x: nice to know |
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| 21:33.05 | poonj | hey guys... |
| 21:33.06 | r3m | is there any GUI font viewer |
| 21:33.20 | poonj | is it possible to query another DHCP server to obtain dhcp lease information? |
| 21:33.24 | Coweater | r3m: waterfall |
| 21:33.25 | ogre | ok, i'm retarded, where do i find .xinitrc? |
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| 21:33.48 | Coweater | r3m: erm, gwaterfall, gfontview |
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| 21:34.42 | r3m | thanks |
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| 21:35.22 | tremor | ogre: man xinit |
| 21:35.40 | ogre | graci |
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| 21:40.46 | ogre | crap now I lost all the stuff about my mouse >.< |
| 21:41.00 | ogre | i got my xorg configured... |
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| 21:44.05 | tremor | ogre: you mean, what JoshH told you about the mouse settings? |
| 21:44.25 | ogre | yeah, i'm having mental problems getting the stuff he said about .xinitrc |
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| 21:46.54 | tremor | ogre: /join #flood |
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| 21:57.09 | mrbrdo | should something special be done after doing apt-get install kernel-image-something? |
| 21:57.25 | mrbrdo | it seems to add itself to grub's list automagically |
| 21:57.30 | Guerin | mrbrdo: it does. |
| 21:57.37 | mrbrdo | but it did mention something about DEBIAN.news, or something, but i missed it |
| 21:58.01 | Guerin | mrbrdo: read /usr/share/doc/packagename/Debian.news or whatever |
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| 21:59.26 | hackeron | is there anyway to check the quality of my connection, i.e. the number of tcp packet retransmits in % or something like that? |
| 21:59.27 | njcLinux | having some troubles with getting debian to run on a sun enterprise box |
| 21:59.51 | Guerin | hackeron: iptraf or something |
| 22:00.22 | hackeron | Guerin: anything in /proc maybe or that comes with a minimal linux installation? |
| 22:00.32 | Guerin | hackeron: no idea |
| 22:00.39 | petemc | ifconfig |
| 22:02.01 | hackeron | petemc: any specific args? |
| 22:02.13 | Guerin | hackeron: man |
| 22:02.24 | hackeron | Guerin: checked already, that's why I ask :) |
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| 22:02.39 | petemc | hackeron: just running ifconfig shows errors etc |
| 22:02.51 | hackeron | petemc: errors, yes, but not TCP retransmites |
| 22:02.54 | hackeron | retransmits* |
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| 22:08.16 | PastorEd | Hello, everyone. Quick question... is it easily possible to print out a list of all installed fonts on my Debian system? So that I can see what the font typefaces LOOK like? |
| 22:08.53 | heyou | nobody have an IBM x220 8545 ? it say on the screen "press F1 for go in the bios" but if i press F1 i didn't go ... :s |
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| 22:10.02 | Mportnoy | Hello I have my iptables log configure to LOG , but my console screen is not usable with all that info on display how can modify that? |
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| 22:10.10 | PastorEd | Bump: Does anyone know how to print out a list of all installed typefaces on a Debian system? |
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| 22:10.20 | Guerin | Mportnoy: configure klogd |
| 22:11.08 | Guerin | heyou: your keyboard is nonfunctional or not plugged in |
| 22:11.18 | pickcoder | hackermon: tcpdump with tcptrace |
| 22:11.20 | s0| | I take it almost all the repository sites are kinda slow... |
| 22:11.28 | man_in_shack | having trouble installing a kernel with etch beta 3 netinstall |
| 22:11.29 | pickcoder | er |
| 22:11.42 | pickcoder | hackeron: tcpdump with tcptrace |
| 22:11.45 | Guerin | s0|: ah, nope. |
| 22:11.46 | man_in_shack | mkinitramfs doesn't seem to be doing anything |
| 22:11.48 | tremor | nice evening * |
| 22:11.53 | Mportnoy | Guerin: I have Syslog by default |
| 22:11.57 | heyou | Guerin, it's not this because because the keyboard and the key F1 work on debian ... |
| 22:11.58 | Guerin | s0|: I used to get 5M bytes per second from some |
| 22:12.03 | s0| | Guerin, well it's not giving me a speed report.... |
| 22:12.12 | Guerin | s0|: so? |
| 22:12.12 | s0| | just atht I got 31 mins left. |
| 22:12.27 | s0| | I was wondering just how big the updates I am getting are... that is all |
| 22:12.37 | Guerin | s0|: aptitude does tell you |
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| 22:12.41 | wols | man_in_shack: self compiled kernel? |
| 22:12.41 | Guerin | as does apt-get |
| 22:12.59 | man_in_shack | wols, package |
| 22:13.01 | s0| | Guerin, I am installing from a netinst disk |
| 22:13.15 | Guerin | s0|: so wait. |
| 22:13.27 | Mportnoy | Guerin: You have any info for klogd ? |
| 22:13.27 | s0| | I am ... sorry to bother |
| 22:13.33 | man_in_shack | 2.6.16-2-686, 2.6.16-2-486, 2.6.17-2-686 standard debs |
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| 22:14.05 | msn | wols: you there? |
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| 22:15.45 | man_in_shack | are there any signs i can look out for to see mkinitramfs working on netinstall? |
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| 22:17.46 | pickcoder | man_in_shack: are you having problems with the installer or the base system? |
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| 22:21.07 | Pryon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.18 | Pryon | Is this something I can fix or is it my fault for running sid? |
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| 22:23.06 | man_in_shack | managed to install 2.6.17 |
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| 22:23.23 | simmerz | is there a rumoured release date for etch? |
| 22:23.27 | man_in_shack | should be installing grub now |
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| 22:23.38 | man_in_shack | simmerz, rumour has it there might be |
| 22:23.39 | pickcoder | simmerz: the news page says December 2006 |
| 22:23.51 | simmerz | pickcoder: ok. |
| 22:24.02 | simmerz | man_in_shack: ;-) |
| 22:24.18 | simmerz | also, is there talk of a faster release schedule for debian? |
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| 22:26.11 | theBeno | Is "apt-cache search" the best way to find a package to remove? |
| 22:26.47 | Pryon | I don't know about "best", but I tend to look at directory names in /usr/share/doc |
| 22:27.00 | Pryon | also dpkg -l |
| 22:27.10 | k-man_ | i just upgraded kernel and now my usb_remote doesn't appear in /dev any more |
| 22:27.19 | k-man_ | i suspect its something to do with having upgrade to udev? |
| 22:27.20 | ogre | i just reinstall when I get too many things I don't need/want/use :) |
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| 22:28.08 | hackeron | I have a zip that won't extract on Linux, but extracts on Mac and the extracted ISO won't burn correctly on Linux, but burns correctly on Mac? - What do I do with files like that for Mac for them to work correctly on Linux? |
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| 22:28.47 | theBeno | Ok, cause I want to uninstall grub, and install lilo, and was wondering how I should install grub. |
| 22:28.50 | Pryon | hackeron: are you using FTP to transfer the file between the mac and the linux box? |
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| 22:28.54 | theBeno | Any ideas? |
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| 22:29.22 | hackeron | Pryon: no, scp |
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| 22:30.03 | Pryon | Hmmm. I'm guessing that scp does not do end-of-line conversion |
| 22:31.00 | Pryon | hackeron: do you get reasonable output from 'file foo.iso' on your linux box? |
| 22:31.28 | hackeron | Pryon: yes, but when I try to unzip, zip warning: missing end signature--probably not a zip file |
| 22:31.53 | hackeron | Pryon: copy *back* to mac and it unzips fine, lol |
| 22:32.07 | Pryon | odd |
| 22:32.18 | hackeron | Pryon: tell me about it |
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| 22:32.40 | mentor | Pryon: dos2unix, tr, anything. |
| 22:33.38 | hackeron | mentor: hmm, I'll try dos2unix |
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| 22:36.19 | hackeron | mentor: that says it's a binary file |
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| 22:37.02 | wubrgamer | hey guys |
| 22:37.06 | wubrgamer | i have a bit of an issue |
| 22:37.10 | Guerin | hurrah, i finally have internet which wasn't cobbled together by prehistoric hunter-gatherers |
| 22:39.03 | theBeno | Would it hurt if I left the grub package install and just installed lilo? |
| 22:39.15 | theBeno | or do I need to remove the grub package? |
| 22:39.23 | wubrgamer | anyway, i'm currently using ubuntu, and would like to put A debian on my laptop (please don't be biased, guide me in the right direction) |
| 22:39.23 | wubrgamer | and i would like to install said debian on said laptop, it has no cd drive, that being said, i have a 512 flash disk... |
| 22:40.05 | wubrgamer | should i install debian via a damn small linux session ? or try and get the debian iso to boot from said flash stick, the latter isn't working for me, but if the prior is an option then i'd like to know |
| 22:40.31 | mentor | ... |
| 22:40.42 | wubrgamer | any ideas ? |
| 22:40.51 | mentor | hackeron: binary files don't need EOL conversion. |
| 22:41.01 | wubrgamer | i'm a fairly competent ubuntu user... |
| 22:41.09 | wubrgamer | i help the n00bs alot... |
| 22:41.26 | Guerin | wubrgamer: dsl isn't debian. |
| 22:41.35 | Guerin | wubrgamer: that's the real issue here. |
| 22:41.56 | hackeron | mentor: well, it unzips on Mac but not on Linux |
| 22:42.46 | wubrgamer | no no |
| 22:42.50 | mentor | hackeron: ARe you sure you have the same file each time? |
| 22:42.53 | mentor | md5sum it |
| 22:42.54 | wubrgamer | i'm not trying to install debian THROUGH DSL |
| 22:42.59 | wubrgamer | i guess i should have clarified |
| 22:43.04 | wubrgamer | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 22:43.07 | wubrgamer | that's what i want to do |
| 22:43.14 | theBeno | wubrgamer, You could install gentoo with DSL. |
| 22:43.22 | wubrgamer | why gentoo ? |
| 22:43.35 | wubrgamer | i'm coming from UBUNTU here, baby steps |
| 22:43.35 | hackeron | mentor: yes, absolutely, I also scp the file from Linux to Mac after failing to unzip on Linux and it unzips |
| 22:43.54 | wubrgamer | i'm a little scared of gentoo, it seems a little too complex for little ol me |
| 22:43.59 | theBeno | Very fast, you compile it yourself. Yeah, it might be a big jump. |
| 22:44.14 | wubrgamer | ooh |
| 22:44.15 | wubrgamer | aah |
| 22:44.17 | wubrgamer | erm |
| 22:44.28 | wubrgamer | sounds like a little more than scary |
| 22:44.45 | mentor | Yes, Yay for spending hours making things 1-2% faster. |
| 22:44.46 | theBeno | Hmm, how old is the pc you are trying to install via removable storage? |
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| 22:45.11 | mentor | wubrgamer: What kind of laptop is it? |
| 22:45.31 | theBeno | mentor, portage and emerge is amazing. |
| 22:45.33 | theBeno | are* |
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| 22:46.41 | mentor | theBeno: I wasn't really impressed with them last time I looked. |
| 22:47.28 | theBeno | mentor, I loved it. But went to debian cause fast install and easy to stay up to date. |
| 22:47.40 | wubrgamer | my laptop is nearly new |
| 22:47.49 | wubrgamer | it's an amd 64 with a gig of ram |
| 22:47.52 | theBeno | And it doesn't have a cdrom? |
| 22:48.00 | wubrgamer | it got into an accident |
| 22:48.02 | wubrgamer | with some steps |
| 22:48.03 | mentor | theBeno: That was my point mostly. |
| 22:48.24 | wubrgamer | cement steps |
| 22:48.24 | mentor | heh |
| 22:48.24 | wubrgamer | everything but optical was savaged |
| 22:48.24 | wubrgamer | nearly scot free |
| 22:48.24 | theBeno | lol |
| 22:48.24 | wubrgamer | it's amazing |
| 22:48.25 | mentor | salvaged? |
| 22:48.33 | wubrgamer | i had to replace the screen |
| 22:48.33 | mentor | wubrgamer: You could just put a new optical disk in? |
| 22:48.47 | wubrgamer | no |
| 22:48.48 | pickcoder | wubrgamer: no carrying case? |
| 22:48.56 | mentor | So. What boot options do you have? |
| 22:48.58 | wubrgamer | usb |
| 22:49.06 | mentor | optical drive |
| 22:49.09 | wubrgamer | nope |
| 22:49.10 | wubrgamer | just usb |
| 22:49.22 | mentor | wubrgamer: You could just put a new optical drive in? |
| 22:49.29 | mentor | wubrgamer: Have you seen the install guide for USB installs? |
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| 22:50.00 | merlincorey | ahoy folks |
| 22:50.28 | wubrgamer | yes |
| 22:50.42 | wubrgamer | it isn't really working out for me |
| 22:51.06 | theBeno | wubrgamer, then you don't have many more options. |
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| 22:51.49 | merlincorey | can anyone point me towards some shell tricks or maybe another tool I could use to chmod just the directories (recursively) from a certain point? |
| 22:52.40 | pickcoder | merlincorey: did you "man chmod" and see if there is an existing switch for recursion? |
| 22:52.43 | merlincorey | yes |
| 22:52.46 | petemc | find -type d |(while read; do chmod NNN "$REPLY";done) |
| 22:52.47 | merlincorey | there is for recursion |
| 22:52.52 | merlincorey | but not for only directories |
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| 22:52.59 | petemc | or chmod -R , aye |
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| 22:54.27 | merlincorey | I have 6000 directories, subdirectories, and files... actually, probably only like 500 of them are directories, and I need to add +x to them so they can be used, but NOT to the files |
| 22:54.32 | merlincorey | chmod -R will do it to both |
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| 22:54.51 | petemc | yes |
| 22:55.28 | wubrgamer | well |
| 22:55.42 | merlincorey | the manpage on my system doesn't list any switches that might be helpful for filtering out directories, per se... so I imagine I need to do some shell trick or write a tool |
| 22:55.46 | merlincorey | I just am lazy |
| 22:55.51 | merlincorey | \and don't want to write the tool |
| 22:55.56 | merlincorey | if someone else has |
| 22:56.02 | startxwhite | i am compiling the latest kismet from source and just ran ./configure and i see at the end "libz compression: no" what do i need to install with apt-get on debian gnu/linux sarge to have zlib compression?? |
| 22:56.10 | wubrgamer | i'm vmx installing dsl to my flash disk right now, then i'm going to boot it into my laptop, i'll bug ya if i have any issues ! |
| 22:56.10 | wubrgamer | let's hope next time i contact you i'll be running a debian ! |
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| 22:56.31 | merlincorey | oh |
| 22:56.39 | merlincorey | and if I actually read some backscroll |
| 22:56.57 | merlincorey | I can examine petemc's little shell script line :) |
| 22:56.58 | merlincorey | thanks, mate |
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| 22:58.29 | merlincorey | petemc, or even anyone else, forgive me for asking something I likely could find out if I read the documentation, but $REPLY contains the result from the 'read' ? |
| 22:59.20 | parsonsd | argh -- any light someone can shed on mozilla's not using rhino for javascript? i'm running Mozilla Debian Package 1.7.8-1sarge7.2.1; and rhino 1.5.r5.3 |
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| 23:00.44 | petemc | merlincorey: find -type d|(while read;do echo "$REPLY";done) |
| 23:01.36 | parsonsd | i just synaptic installed, restarted mozilla and i still don't get .... erg. |
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| 23:02.05 | parsonsd | *sigh* --- so now only one site (hmmm, school) says that I don't have javascript 1.5 installed. |
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| 23:03.04 | parsonsd | merlincorey: $REPLY wouldn't show much unless it was already defined... |
| 23:03.12 | petemc | bzzt! |
| 23:03.20 | jfletcher | hey, is there a way to set an objects colour (on panel) |
| 23:03.27 | jfletcher | like the gnome-menu |
| 23:03.37 | jfletcher | I want it to be tranparent |
| 23:03.45 | parsonsd | petemc: bzzt? |
| 23:03.54 | petemc | what you said was incorrect |
| 23:04.30 | theBeno | apt-get install lilo doesn't work. |
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| 23:04.44 | theBeno | lilo has no installation candidate. |
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| 23:05.02 | jfletcher | try apt-cache search lilo |
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| 23:05.32 | parsonsd | petemc: i must not have 'read' working |
| 23:05.49 | petemc | say again? |
| 23:06.03 | parsonsd | petemc:`echo $REPLY` only gives me a newline |
| 23:06.17 | petemc | parsonsd: show me the full line |
| 23:06.27 | man_in_shack | base system properly installed on my laptop :D |
| 23:06.36 | jfletcher | :D |
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| 23:07.20 | man_in_shack | netinstall network is a bit fudged though. was getting heaps of speed/duplex related errors |
| 23:07.24 | man_in_shack | now i'm getting none |
| 23:07.59 | man_in_shack | wheeee |
| 23:08.01 | parsonsd | well, i tried `echo $REPLY` -- i got a newline as if i had typed `echo` |
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| 23:08.18 | petemc | parsonsd: what has that to do with "while read" ? |
| 23:08.55 | parsonsd | when i ran the line as you wrote it, `find -type d` gave me a ton of output |
| 23:08.56 | SinnerG | I followed the tutorial on http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 23:09.06 | SinnerG | I can receive msgs now using telnet localhost 25 example |
| 23:09.17 | SinnerG | but from remote it wont work using authentication + tsl |
| 23:09.25 | SinnerG | any ideas? |
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| 23:10.30 | parsonsd | petemc: `find -type d|(while read;do echo "$REPLY";done)`, i got the same as `find -type d`, but a little slower |
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| 23:10.53 | parsonsd | what should have $REPLY been set to? |
| 23:10.53 | petemc | parsonsd: thats to be expected |
| 23:10.59 | chris__ | Hi! I did a netinstall and was wondering why debian choose 2.4 kernel when everyone else seems to use 2.6 |
| 23:11.22 | petemc | parsonsd: you seem to have missed the first part of the conversation |
| 23:11.30 | SinnerG | okay |
| 23:11.33 | SinnerG | lets start all over.. :( |
| 23:11.34 | hackeron | mentor: been googline and it seems I need to change \r to \n? |
| 23:11.41 | parsonsd | chris__ : i think that's the default for stable |
| 23:12.09 | parsonsd | petemc : i suspect you might be right -- i always seem to miss something :) |
| 23:12.37 | chris__ | parsonsd, any reason why deb havent moved over? And should i install a 2.6 kernel_ |
| 23:12.38 | chris__ | ? |
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| 23:13.05 | parsonsd | chris__ : it's available under stable in the dpkg (or synaptic) |
| 23:13.12 | pickcoder | merlincorey: check /msg |
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| 23:13.44 | parsonsd | petemc : sorry, i didn't mean to distract, but it seemed a little peculiar |
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| 23:14.26 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 23:14.39 | chris__ | parsonsd, oh ok, strange that its not as def at netinstall, and i guess its the same with XFree86, ive gotten the impression that XOrg is a better option. |
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| 23:15.54 | petemc | parsonsd: the original question was how to chmod directorys recursively |
| 23:16.00 | ArmEagle | hmm. if o google on rrdtool and php i get to http://download.gna.org/pdbv/demo_html/demo_1.2.4/package/rrdtool_1.0.35-2.html which clearly includes php scripts. Shame that they arent in the current versions. |
| 23:16.48 | parsonsd | petemc : i saw the similar line that did a find -type d | ... with chmod NNN in it... |
| 23:16.53 | ArmEagle | I'm trying to get good scripts (nice graphs/pages and config) for rrds created by mrtg |
| 23:16.59 | petemc | parsonsd: yes |
| 23:17.06 | wols | chris__: there is no xorg in stable. and if you use the boot option "linux26" you get a 2.6 kernel |
| 23:17.10 | parsonsd | but when i saw the one with echo, i wondered what it would do... |
| 23:17.13 | petemc | parsonsd: he then asked what was in $REPLY |
| 23:17.21 | parsonsd | oh. |
| 23:17.30 | DaBlade | I've got a question that's about as far off the topic of Debian (and even computing as it gets) |
| 23:17.31 | chris__ | wols, poop, so i have to reinstall it ? |
| 23:17.36 | parsonsd | petemc.... oops |
| 23:17.49 | parsonsd | petemc : sorry :) |
| 23:17.56 | wols | chris__: no. you have to install a 2.6 kernel as you were told. debian is never reinstalled unless you get a new ahrddisk |
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| 23:18.08 | DaBlade | Lately, one of my teeth feels really weird. It doesn't hurt, but feels exactly like if you bite together hard. Should I go to the dentist? |
| 23:18.11 | petemc | parsonsd: im not gonna lose any sleep over it :) |
| 23:18.39 | chris__ | wols, yeah but if i specifiy linux26 when i boot from the netinst cdrom i get 2.6 kernel _ |
| 23:18.40 | chris__ | ? |
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| 23:21.27 | rvsjoen | anyone have experience with Xming ? |
| 23:21.46 | jfletcher | anyone used applet transparency with gnome? |
| 23:22.18 | man_in_shack | anyone ask random questions just for the hell of it? |
| 23:22.26 | Ronin | heh |
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| 23:30.22 | lordnazgul | is there any way to have a command execute whenever I start up X but AFTER gnome actually starts? |
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| 23:32.06 | jfletcher | /usr/share/gnome/default.session |
| 23:32.12 | treyh0 | my network interface in etch is "eth0_temp_temp" and google shows no search results :( |
| 23:32.24 | jfletcher | oh dear |
| 23:33.34 | jfletcher | treyh0: can't you just reconfigure network devices? |
| 23:34.30 | treyh0 | jfletcher: i think it's a udev problem, it says "timed out renaming etho_temp_temp to whatever...", it won't do anything when i run dhclient on the device, it sees it, i get "link up, 100mbps", but then it will say "Device not found" |
| 23:34.35 | treyh0 | very weird |
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| 23:34.43 | jfletcher | or edit ifconfig an d rename it ? |
| 23:34.48 | jfletcher | dunno about the google results. |
| 23:35.17 | treyh0 | i googled for eth0_temp and found 3 results... knoppix user saw this issue and they "workaround" with booting with "noudev" |
| 23:35.31 | jfletcher | try this: |
| 23:35.34 | treyh0 | so at least i hame place to start :/ |
| 23:36.51 | jfletcher | ifconfig eth0 inet up 192.199.9.111 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.199.9.255 |
| 23:37.13 | treyh0 | there is no eth0 |
| 23:37.22 | treyh0 | it's called "eth0_temp_temp" |
| 23:37.30 | jfletcher | k |
| 23:37.33 | treyh0 | lemme try giving it a static address like that instead of doing dhcp ;) |
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| 23:38.37 | chris__ | ah there, a fresh install with kernel 2.6 :) |
| 23:38.48 | treyh0 | not working either, im going to see if i can figure out how to regenerate the udev rules |
| 23:38.51 | jfletcher | treyh0: you wouldn't know anyting about gnome app transparency on panel would you? |
| 23:39.00 | chris__ | btw i was wondering whats the line that i should put in sources.list so i can get xorg |
| 23:39.02 | treyh0 | jfletcher: the panel itself? |
| 23:39.02 | jfletcher | treyh0: good idea. |
| 23:39.20 | jfletcher | yeah |
| 23:39.23 | jfletcher | as in my top panel |
| 23:39.27 | treyh0 | i know you can set transparency on a panel right the properties menu... |
| 23:39.27 | jfletcher | menu panel |
| 23:39.28 | jfletcher | etc |
| 23:39.30 | treyh0 | right click, select properties |
| 23:39.35 | jfletcher | yea I mean the apps |
| 23:39.42 | treyh0 | the icons? |
| 23:39.53 | jfletcher | apps, like, menu still has abackground colour |
| 23:39.54 | treyh0 | some of the widgets dont support transparency |
| 23:40.04 | treyh0 | oh it could be your GTK+ theme |
| 23:40.13 | jfletcher | I see |
| 23:40.15 | treyh0 | i have clearlooks and my menu is clear |
| 23:40.17 | treyh0 | transparent |
| 23:40.23 | treyh0 | (on another computeR) |
| 23:40.23 | jfletcher | what engine? |
| 23:40.33 | treyh0 | the clearlooks... lemme find a url |
| 23:40.35 | jfletcher | standard gtk? |
| 23:40.42 | treyh0 | actually you can apt-cache search clearlooks |
| 23:40.48 | treyh0 | it's part of testing/unstable ... duno about sarge |
| 23:40.55 | jfletcher | im on etch |
| 23:41.13 | treyh0 | it should be there already... system -> preferences -> theme |
| 23:41.18 | xdr | if you had to choose, kde or gnome |
| 23:41.23 | chris__ | gnome |
| 23:41.25 | jfletcher | gnome |
| 23:41.25 | treyh0 | select clearlooks |
| 23:41.28 | treyh0 | gnome!! |
| 23:41.32 | jfletcher | treyh0: did apt-get |
| 23:42.40 | chris__ | how do i install xorg? cant find it with apt-get :P |
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| 23:42.53 | jfletcher | treyh0: how do I check i'm using the clearlooks engine? |
| 23:42.58 | jfletcher | I have the clearlooks theme running |
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| 23:46.24 | treyh0 | duno how to check other than seeing if it's different than the previously selected 'theme' |
| 23:46.27 | treyh0 | :) |
| 23:46.56 | jfletcher | well yea |
| 23:47.06 | jfletcher | but that doesn't mean I'm neccisarily using a different engine |
| 23:47.33 | jfletcher | when I right click the gnome-menu for example, there's still no mention of transparency |
| 23:47.37 | jfletcher | even in the preferneces |
| 23:50.14 | treyh0 | errr |
| 23:50.22 | treyh0 | you should do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 23:50.36 | treyh0 | sounds like you have some old software |
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| 23:51.14 | chris__ | treyh0: perhaps he installed from netinst :P |
| 23:51.21 | jfletcher | na apt |
| 23:51.26 | jfletcher | and I recently upgraded it |
| 23:51.37 | treyh0 | right click the panel itself |
| 23:51.39 | treyh0 | not the menu |
| 23:51.42 | chris__ | jfletcher: what deb did you use ? |
| 23:51.46 | treyh0 | pick a blank spot on the panel |
| 23:51.57 | treyh0 | right click -> properties -> background tab |
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| 23:52.04 | treyh0 | solid color -> transparent |
| 23:52.10 | jfletcher | chris__: gtk-engines-clearlooks |
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| 23:52.17 | jfletcher | treyh0: yeh, I got that, i mean the menu etc |
| 23:52.26 | jfletcher | as in, applications places + desktop |
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| 23:53.35 | treyh0 | well, not sure what to tell you, mine is transparent :/ |
| 23:53.37 | treyh0 | weird stuff |
| 23:53.51 | jfletcher | se |
| 23:53.57 | jfletcher | i'll upload a screen |
| 23:54.02 | chris__ | i think i did a big mistake when i was installing :] |
| 23:54.30 | treyh0 | it worked fine with the amd64 netinst :/ |
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| 23:55.53 | jfletcher | treyh0: http://www.digifx.co.uk/james/panel.png |
| 23:56.02 | jfletcher | this is my problem if you see |
| 23:57.39 | SinnerG | well, I finally got the mail server to work ;p |
| 23:57.53 | jfletcher | help me now then :P |
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| 23:58.22 | SinnerG | well I dont see a problem |
| 23:58.27 | SinnerG | just a fine ass ;p |
| 23:58.32 | jfletcher | lol |
| 23:58.32 | Piet | the problem is that the panty is still on? |
| 23:58.36 | jfletcher | half the panel aint transparent |
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| 23:59.00 | jfletcher | I dunno how to get these applets transparent |
| 23:59.35 | Piet | oh, indeed, _that_ is a serious problem |
| 23:59.53 | jfletcher | =o |
