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| 00:00.18 | Piet | tried asking in #kde? |
| 00:00.23 | jfletcher | its gnome |
| 00:00.24 | jfletcher | but yea |
| 00:00.28 | jfletcher | inactive channel |
| 00:00.35 | p3rti | what package do i have to install to mkfs.vfat works |
| 00:00.47 | Piet | you're loosing track on security updates btw |
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| 00:01.05 | jfletcher | Piet: ? |
| 00:01.06 | rendi | hello can help me |
| 00:01.14 | chris__ | i could need some help here, i accidently quitted aptitude after select "manually select packages" when doing a netinstall, and now im trying to get xorg to start but get an error that there is no screens found with a usable configuration |
| 00:01.17 | jfletcher | the icon comes up when I have any. |
| 00:01.23 | rendi | what packet for "The GD module is currently not installed" |
| 00:01.38 | bswift | Anyone here using apache/php/mysql packages from dotdeb.org ? |
| 00:01.38 | jfletcher | php-gd2 |
| 00:01.41 | rendi | i wanna install gd module |
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| 00:01.53 | rendi | jfletcher is that php-gd2 ? |
| 00:01.58 | jfletcher | somthing like that |
| 00:02.11 | jfletcher | do an apt-cache search php*gd2 |
| 00:02.14 | jfletcher | or somthing |
| 00:02.34 | stew | bswift: hopefully not, there is little reason to use it now that packages are available from backports.org |
| 00:02.48 | Piet | chris__: which debian version do you want? |
| 00:02.50 | rendi | can't find admin@kopasus:~$ apt-cache search php-gd2 |
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| 00:03.01 | chris__ | Piet: i want xorg to start :) |
| 00:03.03 | Piet | chris__: ignore that question |
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| 00:03.42 | rendi | hello ? |
| 00:04.00 | Piet | chris__: aptitude install xorg && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg && /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 00:04.06 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 00:04.15 | DaBlade | Something weird's happened to my mouse pointer |
| 00:04.18 | chris__ | Piet: hehe it started now :P |
| 00:04.19 | bswift | stew: And backports.org is preferred to dotdeb.org? I Googled a few days ago and it seems as dotdeb was pretty widespread. |
| 00:04.20 | Piet | chris__: or kdm if you use that or whatever else you use as a WM |
| 00:04.20 | rendi | php4-gd - GD module for php4 |
| 00:04.25 | jfletcher | omg, fatal problem recovered |
| 00:04.27 | DaBlade | It's become like a cross, and I can't click on anything |
| 00:04.28 | jfletcher | found rizzlas |
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| 00:04.40 | rendi | "php4-gd - GD module for php4" <========= this is ?? |
| 00:04.41 | DaBlade | It happened after I messed with some shell scripts |
| 00:04.49 | jfletcher | rendi: php5-gd |
| 00:04.55 | DaBlade | Can anyone help me restore the mouse functionality please? |
| 00:05.01 | stew | bswift: the dotdeb packages are notoriously buggy, the backports.org packages are made by actual debian developers |
| 00:05.08 | jfletcher | rendi: unless you have php4 install |
| 00:05.09 | DaBlade | I can move it around and all, but no input is sent to any apps. |
| 00:05.13 | jfletcher | depends which version you have |
| 00:05.26 | rendi | jfletcher but i'm use PHP Version 4.3.10-16 |
| 00:05.30 | jfletcher | k |
| 00:05.38 | rendi | so this is php4-gd - GD module for php4 for me ? |
| 00:05.45 | jfletcher | yea |
| 00:05.59 | bswift | stew: Ok, great - thanks. I'll read up on this and probably change over before we go live ;) Thanks ! |
| 00:06.00 | rendi | thank you |
| 00:06.07 | Piet | bswift: backports vs dotdeb depends on your debian version |
| 00:06.25 | stew | Piet: for which version of debian would you recommend dotdeb? |
| 00:06.29 | DaBlade | Hello? |
| 00:06.35 | DaBlade | Could anyone please help me out? |
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| 00:06.58 | jfletcher | DaBlade: just ask |
| 00:07.01 | bswift | DaBlade: That would probably depend on your question .. |
| 00:07.02 | DaBlade | I asked |
| 00:07.04 | DaBlade | Several times |
| 00:07.24 | jfletcher | DaBlade: reconfigure it |
| 00:07.31 | DaBlade | hm.. ok |
| 00:07.35 | jfletcher | most likely you chose somthing wrong |
| 00:07.40 | DaBlade | jfletcher: Is there a way to back up the settings? |
| 00:07.53 | DaBlade | I tried running democracy player from the shell |
| 00:07.56 | DaBlade | It refused to run |
| 00:07.56 | jfletcher | you mean so you got a back of some broken settings? :/ |
| 00:08.04 | jfletcher | sudo <cmd> |
| 00:08.15 | jfletcher | or su if you haven't installed sudo |
| 00:08.17 | Piet | stew: stable, and then only after further consideration. actully i meant to say it depends on your architecture, not your debian version |
| 00:08.18 | DaBlade | This isn't the settings I think |
| 00:08.25 | DaBlade | I believe a reboot can solve this |
| 00:08.28 | DaBlade | But I don't wanna do that |
| 00:08.32 | jfletcher | ;/ |
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| 00:08.43 | stew | Piet: for what architecture would you recommend dotdeb? |
| 00:08.43 | DaBlade | due to some stuff running in the background I don't want disturbed |
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| 00:09.12 | DaBlade | jfletcher: How do I reconfigure it BTW? :P |
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| 00:10.06 | Piet | stew: basically, i would always recommend the official repositories over all others, then, for stable, backports is next, then dotdeb and others. but dotdeb only has i386 and amd64 |
| 00:10.22 | jfletcher | DaBlade: /usr/sbin/mouseconfig |
| 00:10.34 | DaBlade | OK |
| 00:10.35 | stew | Piet: backports only has i386 and amd64 as well |
| 00:10.39 | treyh0 | what is dotdeb |
| 00:10.49 | stew | Piet: i dont' know of any situation where you would want to use dotdeb over backports |
| 00:11.03 | DaBlade | (The only reason I can use both a shell and KDE now is that I'm using Yakuake, it's entirely keyboard controlled.) |
| 00:11.08 | jfletcher | its a repository treyh0 |
| 00:11.11 | treyh0 | neat |
| 00:11.16 | treyh0 | i just asked the bot |
| 00:11.36 | treyh0 | pretty cool but i prefer apt-pinning on my servers :) |
| 00:11.45 | Weedy_lappy | dotdeb is only lamp |
| 00:11.46 | stew | treyh0: it is a repository that started provding buggy php5 packages before backports.org provided any |
| 00:11.52 | DaBlade | No such thing as /usr/bin/mouseconfig |
| 00:11.57 | Weedy_lappy | backports is EVERYTHING |
| 00:12.05 | Weedy_lappy | also dotdeb is faster |
| 00:12.28 | p3rti | what package do i have to install to mkfs.vfat works? |
| 00:12.40 | stew | p3rti: dosfstools (/msg dpkg search) |
| 00:12.44 | Piet | stew: bpo has other architectures as well |
| 00:13.07 | p3rti | stew, thanks |
| 00:13.22 | Piet | stew: one situation where you may want it is where you want php5 or distributed transactions with mysql |
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| 00:13.57 | stew | Piet: you cannot do that with backports? |
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| 00:15.23 | treyh0 | why not just use apt-pinning to run a base of sarge with php packages from etch? |
| 00:15.24 | treyh0 | http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 00:15.25 | DaBlade | jfletcher: Hello? (Sorry about the nagging) |
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| 00:15.40 | jfletcher | DaBlade: ? |
| 00:15.55 | DaBlade | No such thing as /usr/bin/mouseconfig |
| 00:16.11 | stew | treyh0: becuase you'd end up upgrading libc6 to testing, at which point you are pretty much running testing, not stable |
| 00:16.27 | jfletcher | DaBlade: its /usr/sbin/mouseconfig |
| 00:16.28 | stew | treyh0: mixing binary pacakges from stable and testing/unstable is a big no-no |
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| 00:16.40 | DaBlade | jfletcher: I know |
| 00:16.41 | Piet | stew: you can partially, but bpo lacks a couple php5 modules, and i think those don't work with the mysql 5 from bpo if you want to use php5 bindings for mysql |
| 00:16.42 | DaBlade | jfletcher: Typo |
| 00:16.46 | DaBlade | jfletcher: Not there either |
| 00:16.58 | DaBlade | Nor in /sbin |
| 00:17.01 | DaBlade | or /usr&bin |
| 00:17.01 | Piet | stew: anyway, just an example, generally, bpo sure is much better. |
| 00:17.06 | treyh0 | DaBlade: i read your previous question, and i can't help because there aren't enough details, a mouse turned into a cross.... what about what desktop are you running, or window manager, what were you doing, etc |
| 00:17.31 | DaBlade | KDE |
| 00:17.34 | DaBlade | KDM |
| 00:17.35 | jfletcher | DaBlade: have you got it installed? |
| 00:17.43 | DaBlade | mouseconfig? AFAIK no |
| 00:17.54 | treyh0 | DaBlade: did you restart KDE (or the computer) it sounds like the window manager died (Kwin) |
| 00:17.55 | jfletcher | sorry, I didnt say you need to install it |
| 00:18.10 | jfletcher | treyh0: i said it, he says he can't reboot :/ |
| 00:18.12 | DaBlade | treyh0: The window manager seems to be working fine (I can switch with alt-tab) |
| 00:18.15 | treyh0 | if your window manager dies you will see a cross and then you can't move windows |
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| 00:18.23 | treyh0 | can't reboot? why not, no power button? |
| 00:18.23 | DaBlade | I was trying to get democracyplayer to run via the shell |
| 00:18.37 | jfletcher | treyh0: somin about background-processes |
| 00:18.42 | DaBlade | I ran a shell script, something went wrong, the mouse changed from arrow to a cross |
| 00:18.48 | DaBlade | I can move it, but not click or use the wheel |
| 00:18.50 | treyh0 | DaBlade: sounds like kwin died, if you can still type in that shell, try to run 'kwin' |
| 00:18.57 | DaBlade | ok |
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| 00:19.03 | jfletcher | or install gnome |
| 00:19.10 | DaBlade | lol |
| 00:19.24 | DaBlade | No offence, but I'd rather install windowmaker. :P |
| 00:19.30 | treyh0 | heh |
| 00:19.30 | jfletcher | same actually |
| 00:19.33 | jfletcher | anyway |
| 00:19.33 | treyh0 | i'm the opposite |
| 00:19.34 | jfletcher | im off |
| 00:19.35 | mike__ | Is gnome 2.16 in sid? |
| 00:19.36 | jfletcher | cya |
| 00:19.37 | treyh0 | i'd rather run windowmaker than KDE ;) |
| 00:19.43 | DaBlade | jfletcher: Wait |
| 00:20.02 | wols | !tell mike__ about search |
| 00:20.07 | DaBlade | jfletcher: Could you just do me a favour and tell me which key combination causes a new tab to open in Yakuake? |
| 00:20.24 | DaBlade | It's not ctrl-alt-+ which I thought it was |
| 00:20.32 | Vitux | damn been such a long time I forgot how to mount a floppy drive.. correct me if I'm wrong its /dev/fd0? |
| 00:20.40 | treyh0 | mike__: not yet |
| 00:20.47 | mike__ | oh |
| 00:21.14 | mike__ | I have seen pics |
| 00:21.16 | treyh0 | is there *any* distro with it available? |
| 00:21.21 | mike__ | looks good |
| 00:21.23 | treyh0 | (a released distribution) |
| 00:21.25 | treyh0 | not beta |
| 00:21.25 | Vitux | uhmm anyone? |
| 00:21.30 | mike__ | mandriva |
| 00:21.32 | mike__ | 07 |
| 00:21.38 | wols | Vitux: pretty much right. there is more than one kind of fd* device node |
| 00:21.38 | treyh0 | that's a release candidate |
| 00:21.40 | mike__ | duh |
| 00:21.43 | treyh0 | not a GA produc |
| 00:21.43 | DaBlade | I restarted kwin |
| 00:21.44 | wols | should be fairly self explanatory |
| 00:21.45 | treyh0 | product |
| 00:21.46 | DaBlade | Nothing happened |
| 00:21.52 | DaBlade | I still can't use the mouse |
| 00:21.54 | Vitux | but fd/0 is generally floppy drive right? |
| 00:22.01 | wols | yes |
| 00:22.03 | Vitux | k thx |
| 00:22.04 | thingfish | Vitux: mnt /mnt/floppy should work |
| 00:22.06 | dondelelcaro | mike__: it was just released a bit ago; if you want to help make it into sid, join the gnome packaging group |
| 00:22.13 | Vitux | guess I dont have it compiled for some reason then |
| 00:22.14 | stew | Vitux: it could be /dev/fd0 /dev/fd/0 or /dev/floppy |
| 00:22.15 | mike__ | or fat dude |
| 00:22.16 | dondelelcaro | Vitux: depends on how /dev is setup |
| 00:22.21 | Vitux | brb gonna make sure I have it plugged in |
| 00:22.22 | treyh0 | mike__: http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/package-status.html |
| 00:22.22 | mike__ | *_* |
| 00:22.36 | stew | Vitux: modprobe floppy |
| 00:22.36 | DaBlade | Can anyone please help me out? |
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| 00:22.47 | treyh0 | DaBlade: short of a reboot, i'm out of ideas |
| 00:22.52 | DaBlade | Damn |
| 00:22.54 | thingfish | mount /mnt/floppy that is... |
| 00:23.02 | dondelelcaro | !tell Mnabil -about away |
| 00:23.29 | Mnabil | dondelelcaro, i'm new to this channel , so i'm sorry |
| 00:23.39 | dondelelcaro | Mnabil: np; that's why I told you |
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| 00:25.55 | DaBlade | Well, the reboot helped |
| 00:25.57 | DaBlade | But it cost me an awesome BT download speed. :( |
| 00:26.04 | CyberMad | how do i check my debian version? |
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| 00:26.39 | thingfish | CyberMad: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:26.44 | CyberMad | thanks |
| 00:26.49 | DaBlade | CyberMad: One way is to see which repositories it grabs its packages from |
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| 00:28.34 | CyberMad | DaBlade ok :) |
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| 00:33.18 | CyberMad | i read how to or tutorial on the net about installing PHP5, at www.howtoforge.com use repository: http://packages.dotdeb.org and at www.debian-administration.org use repository: http://dotdeb.pimpmylinux.org |
| 00:33.32 | CyberMad | so which one safe to use? or both are same |
| 00:33.55 | Guerin | !set the time |
| 00:33.55 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 00:35.09 | CyberMad | so, does anyone here ever install PHP5 module on debian? |
| 00:35.23 | CyberMad | which repository do you use? |
| 00:35.35 | xplic1t | dotdeb |
| 00:36.36 | stew | CyberMad: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 00:37.07 | seeker | Guerin: The timeset factoid is off. Running Sid, I get ntp-simple has no installation candidate. It's been replace with ntp. |
| 00:37.20 | seeker | replaced |
| 00:37.21 | CyberMad | xplic1t both use dotdeb, so do you mean dotdeb.org ? |
| 00:37.36 | stew | CyberMad: dotdeb packages are buggy, use backports.org |
| 00:37.48 | CyberMad | stew oh ic, thanks.. |
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| 00:38.19 | Piet | CyberMad: about your earlier question, both are mirrors of the same repository |
| 00:38.42 | Piet | CyberMad: but i'd use bpo in favor to dotdeb |
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| 00:41.08 | CyberMad | ok, i will follow guide from http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then do default installation of PHP5, it's apt-get update, then apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 :) thank you |
| 00:43.13 | bswift | Is there an easy way to find all packages I have installed from a specific source, such as dotdeb.org ? |
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| 00:45.01 | urz | I need to remove tzdata because im installing a libc that tries to overwrite files in tcdata |
| 00:45.19 | urz | when i go to remove it, though, it first tries to finish installing libc |
| 00:45.41 | urz | is there a way i can just tell apt to do away with tzdata and nevermind the other problems for now? |
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| 00:48.03 | MatBoy | Hi All ! |
| 00:48.56 | MatBoy | quiet here for once :) |
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| 00:49.36 | urz | dpkg -r did the trick for me |
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| 00:50.08 | urz | um |
| 00:50.14 | urz | ooook.. |
| 00:51.22 | MatBoy | I still could figure out my kernel-problem with 2.6.17 that have broken the 2.6.15 kernel also |
| 00:51.30 | MatBoy | *could NOT |
| 00:53.12 | MatBoy | someone had the problem too that installing a linux-image-2.6.17 broke the system ? |
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| 00:54.36 | vzoric | hi what is difference between ubuntu and debian |
| 00:54.56 | dvs | vzoric: Debian works |
| 00:55.02 | dvs | ;-) |
| 00:55.06 | vzoric | i'm serious |
| 00:55.14 | mentor | vzoric: They're made by different people and have different software in them. |
| 00:55.26 | seeker | MatBoy: broke how? |
| 00:55.41 | Mnabil | hello guys, i'm compiling kernel 2.4 with gcc 4 , there's error, i tried more than one, is this related to gcc version ? |
| 00:55.47 | vzoric | mentor, why dont you choose ubuntu why you are rather using debian |
| 00:56.19 | mentor | vzoric: Lots of reasons. |
| 00:56.43 | vzoric | mentor, can you tell me some please i really wanna know |
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| 00:57.26 | Mnabil | ? |
| 00:57.32 | ph00_phyter | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.39 | ph00_phyter | daemons* |
| 00:58.10 | mentor | vzoric: Lets go with the main one. Debian is a community project which follows an aim and social contract that agree with. Which means that Debian is only over ridden by in fighting most of the time. |
| 00:58.18 | ph00_phyter | how go I get to the list of all the stuff that tries to get started at boot time? |
| 00:58.34 | mentor | ph00: /etc/rc*.d? |
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| 00:59.20 | MatBoy | seeker, It will not boot anymore and is failing on devfs what I was not using... |
| 00:59.27 | ph00_phyter | hm... |
| 00:59.30 | MatBoy | but for every kernel a different story |
| 00:59.36 | mentor | ph00: ls -l might help |
| 00:59.47 | ph00_phyter | oh yeah |
| 00:59.52 | ph00_phyter | I remember, I tried to do that |
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| 01:00.12 | mentor | tried? |
| 01:00.37 | ph00_phyter | I got to a lot of links to other stuff, I "thought" I deleted all the unneeded stuff but some daemonns will still try to get started |
| 01:00.42 | MatBoy | seeker, when I boot the .17 I get this: can't access tty; job control turned off (initramfs) |
| 01:01.05 | MatBoy | seeker, and with .15 this: umount: devfs: not mounted |
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| 01:01.14 | mentor | ph00: Well, which ones? |
| 01:01.16 | MatBoy | seeker, /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console:No such a file |
| 01:01.16 | MatBoy | Kernel panic - not syncing : Attemped to kill init! |
| 01:01.27 | mentor | update-rc.d might help |
| 01:01.34 | mentor | ooh nice |
| 01:01.52 | mentor | MatBoy: You should probably have a minimal device tree under devfs in case that happens. |
| 01:02.08 | ph00_phyter | well I can't remember exactly... |
| 01:02.08 | mentor | MatBoy: devfs is old and deprecated. |
| 01:02.18 | ph00_phyter | is there a log of the boot screen? |
| 01:02.19 | MatBoy | mentor, indeed, I used udev for it |
| 01:02.20 | mentor | ph00: Well, also check out /etc/init.d |
| 01:02.28 | theBeno | "Package lilo is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source" |
| 01:02.29 | mentor | ph00: no. Sadly not. I want to fix that. |
| 01:02.31 | theBeno | What to do? |
| 01:02.46 | MatBoy | mentor, but how ? |
| 01:02.47 | mentor | MatBoy: hmmm. Is that in the initrd? |
| 01:02.56 | ph00_phyter | it goes too fast to really read while it goes, I need a log of all teh boot print |
| 01:02.57 | mentor | dpkg find lilo |
| 01:03.04 | mentor | I think you can press pause |
| 01:03.09 | MatBoy | mentor, can;t check at the moment... I need to KNoppix the maxhine :) |
| 01:03.13 | MatBoy | machine |
| 01:03.15 | ph00_phyter | mentor: yes. I did. |
| 01:03.37 | theBeno | mentor, it says dpkg: need an action option |
| 01:03.47 | mentor | ph00: and possibly /etc/initttab. But that's about it |
| 01:03.53 | mentor | theBeno: oh sorry. |
| 01:03.56 | mentor | dpkg say hi |
| 01:03.56 | dpkg | hi |
| 01:04.02 | ph00_phyter | I reinstalled now, but I remember firestarter: it tried to start even though I ID delete the script from init.d |
| 01:04.08 | mentor | dpkg find lilo |
| 01:04.17 | mentor | meh |
| 01:04.18 | mentor | broken |
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| 01:04.26 | theBeno | :S |
| 01:04.29 | ph00_phyter | !find lilo |
| 01:04.36 | s0| | ok I downloaded a new kernal... and I got an odd msg "Hmm the package shipped with a symbolic link /lib/modules/2.(etc)-k8-smp/source However I can not read the target: no such file or dir therefore I am deleting lib/modules/2.6.16-2-amd64-k8-smp/source then there was some other stuff |
| 01:04.41 | ph00_phyter | it works |
| 01:04.53 | ph00_phyter | no it doesnt :( |
| 01:04.59 | theBeno | mentor, is the lilo package on the server just down? |
| 01:05.32 | mentor | ph00: told you so! |
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| 01:05.39 | MatBoy | mentor, not any idea ? |
| 01:05.53 | oywol | how to run two commands in find -exec ? |
| 01:06.21 | mentor | theBeno: Check your apt sources. |
| 01:06.32 | mentor | theBeno: The package is not missing |
| 01:06.37 | theBeno | mentor, how? |
| 01:07.00 | theBeno | I'm new to apt. |
| 01:07.30 | ph00_phyter | btw |
| 01:07.33 | mentor | theBeno: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:07.34 | mentor | !dug |
| 01:07.35 | dpkg | debian doc is probably http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 01:07.36 | ph00_phyter | on apt-get update, I'm getting gpg errors |
| 01:07.38 | ph00_phyter | how do I fix that? new repos? |
| 01:07.42 | ph00_phyter | wait, I'll past the actual error line... |
| 01:07.52 | mentor | ph00_phyter: Install gpg and the debian-archive-keyring |
| 01:08.09 | mentor | oywol: Gice it two commands to run? |
| 01:08.21 | ph00_phyter | I do have those |
| 01:08.28 | oywol | memic, yeah |
| 01:08.39 | ph00_phyter | I have gpg, but I?m not sure about debian-archive-keiring |
| 01:08.40 | ph00_phyter | (checking) |
| 01:08.42 | mentor | MatBoy: Well, initrd or not, you need to put a /dev/console file in your /dev for the kernel |
| 01:08.43 | Piet | byebye ChanServ, those were the best times with you |
| 01:09.01 | mentor | MatBoy: It suggests to me that your /dev is corrupted and needs to be regenerated, minimally |
| 01:09.09 | MatBoy | mentor, I have read that too.. that should fix it ? |
| 01:09.11 | MatBoy | aha |
| 01:09.15 | MatBoy | mentor, possible ? |
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| 01:09.24 | mentor | MatBoy: MAKEDEV |
| 01:09.32 | ph00_phyter | mentor you were right: no debian-archive-keyring (yes, you told me so...) |
| 01:09.45 | mentor | MatBoy: fiddling with the initrd is harder. You possibly just need regenerate it |
| 01:09.52 | MatBoy | mentor, can I do that on every disk while chrooting it ? I use Softraid1 |
| 01:09.57 | mentor | ph00_phyter: You also need to tell apt where hte archive keyring is |
| 01:10.10 | mentor | MatBoy: should be able to. |
| 01:10.24 | MatBoy | mentor, yep, was not possible to regenerate it |
| 01:10.26 | ph00_phyter | how do I do that? (and where is the key anyway?) |
| 01:10.37 | MatBoy | mentor, be back in some minutes |
| 01:10.39 | mentor | dpkg -L; apt-key |
| 01:10.41 | mentor | MatBoy: gl |
| 01:10.50 | Piet | the real source of lilo is irc.freenode.net |
| 01:10.55 | mentor | heh |
| 01:11.51 | mentor | oywol: the key is escaping all the shell control characters correctly |
| 01:12.02 | ph00_phyter | what's the line to sinchronize click? I think my system clock has gone bananas |
| 01:12.07 | ph00_phyter | clock* |
| 01:12.12 | mentor | oywol: find -exec 'echo {}; echo {} again;' \; |
| 01:12.20 | mentor | ph00_phyter: ntpdate? |
| 01:12.39 | ph00_phyter | "command not found" |
| 01:12.56 | ph00_phyter | I remember having aclocksynchro thingy |
| 01:12.59 | mentor | ph00_phyter: ... |
| 01:13.06 | ph00_phyter | it should run automatically |
| 01:13.11 | mentor | ntpd? |
| 01:13.29 | ph00_phyter | nope |
| 01:13.34 | mentor | dunno |
| 01:13.37 | ph00_phyter | what time is it btw? |
| 01:13.47 | mentor | dpkg time |
| 01:13.47 | dpkg | from memory, time is found on http://www.time.com/, or 2006.09.12 1:13:47, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here! |
| 01:13.53 | mentor | oh good |
| 01:13.56 | mentor | dpkg literal time |
| 01:13.57 | dpkg | "time" is "found on http://www.time.com/, or $date $time, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!" |
| 01:14.09 | ph00_phyter | 1:37 GMT? |
| 01:14.13 | mentor | yes |
| 01:14.24 | mentor | no |
| 01:14.45 | ph00_phyter | gmt+1 (summer)? |
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| 01:15.12 | ph00_phyter | whatever. I'll check www.time.com |
| 01:15.24 | mentor | BST yes. |
| 01:15.56 | ph00_phyter | bst = british summer time? (gmt +1) |
| 01:15.56 | ph00_phyter | k |
| 01:16.39 | ph00_phyter | that makes it 2:37 CEST (central EU summer t) |
| 01:17.00 | ph00_phyter | and my system clock is saying it's 7:17 AM! |
| 01:17.33 | bswift | I have just removed dotdeb from my sources.list but the dotdeb packages are still showing up in dpkg-query - is there a way to "clean this up" and completly remove them (I have removed the packages themselves with apt-get remove $pkg) |
| 01:19.04 | ph00_phyter | now, that's weird... |
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| 01:20.18 | afra | I copied my mp3 collection to an external drive using "rsync -avP /music/mp3/ /external/mp3" - though when I do it again, a week later, it seems to start all over again? Shouldn't it do just incremental? |
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| 01:20.56 | webfreak | does the Eclipse Public License conflict with debian's software policy? |
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| 01:21.41 | MatBoy | mentor, it says on the MAKEDEV that it can't find /proc/devices |
| 01:21.57 | ph00_phyter | wtf? |
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| 01:22.42 | ph00_phyter | when I adjust the clock to 2.40, it shows 4:40 so I tried to set it to 0:40 hoping it would show 2:40, but don't |
| 01:22.45 | ph00_phyter | it shows 0:40 |
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| 01:23.00 | ph00_phyter | so, back on 2:40 |
| 01:23.02 | ph00_phyter | and it shows 4:40 again... |
| 01:23.28 | ph00_phyter | wtf is wrong with that clock? |
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| 01:24.45 | ph00_phyter | oops |
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| 01:24.53 | ph00_phyter | old copy |
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| 01:25.28 | ph00_phyter | "no manual entry for "debian-archive-keyring" |
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| 01:25.48 | ph00_phyter | *where* is the key file that I have to specify for apt? |
| 01:26.22 | CyberMad | i have long command of php5 installation.. do you know how to copy paste to debian command line? i'm too lazy to type them all.. |
| 01:26.49 | CyberMad | the command are: apt-get install php5-curl php5-dev php5-gd php5-gmp php5-imap php5-ldap php5-mcrypt php5-mhash php5-ming php5-mysql php5-mysqli php5-odbc php5-pdo-mysql php5-pdo-sqlite php5-pear php5-pspell php5-snmp php5-sybase php5-tidy php4-curl php4-domxml php4-gd php4-gmp php4-imap php4-ldap php4-mcal php4-mcrypt php4-mhash php4-ming php4-mysql php4-odbc php4-pspell php4-recode php4-snmp php4-xslt php4-xdebug curl libwww-perl imagemagick |
| 01:27.17 | simonrvn | use gpm or something |
| 01:27.29 | CyberMad | would you tell me how is the easiest way to paste them to command line? |
| 01:28.41 | simonrvn | i just did |
| 01:28.43 | CyberMad | actually i already save it to /home/cybermad/apache_01.txt i transfer it via FTP |
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| 01:29.11 | CyberMad | but i need to run command inside apache_01.txt |
| 01:30.18 | wakejagr | CyberMad: this will make the txt file executable and run it (first make sure there is nothing in the file but the command you want to run): chmod 744 apache_01.txt ; ./apache_01.txt |
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| 01:31.02 | ph00_phyter | mentor I remembered one of the daemons that tried to run at sturtup: ipsec |
| 01:31.08 | CyberMad | thanks.. |
| 01:31.34 | ph00_phyter | I was pretty sure I uninstalled it, but it looks like it still tries to start |
| 01:32.32 | oywol | is this correct? find -exec 'test -f {} && echo {}' \; |
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| 01:34.21 | RandomTask | does anyone know of a good site that would get me a hello world jsp page running with tomcat on "debian testing"? |
| 01:35.02 | ph00_phyter | yes, it was still there... so maybe I diodn't uninstall ipsec after all... |
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| 01:39.20 | webfreak | RandomTask: google is usually pretty good about finding those |
| 01:39.35 | webfreak | those types of sites, rather |
| 01:41.04 | MatBoy | I ahve still not found /sbin/initrd (something like it) and I end up in a initramfs commandline |
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| 01:44.13 | swamptu | what is easiest way to run gkrellm at startup? |
| 01:44.41 | simonrvn | stick it in your ~/.xsession |
| 01:44.41 | webfreak | if you use gnome, add it to the session manager |
| 01:44.50 | swamptu | im using kde :) |
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| 01:45.03 | webfreak | ah... no clue then, just use .xsession like simonrvn said |
| 01:45.23 | swamptu | k i will try that |
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| 01:49.58 | thegh0st | alright here's the delemma |
| 01:50.10 | thegh0st | Ive got no cd's left to burn debian onto |
| 01:50.23 | kash | yay thegh0st! |
| 01:50.24 | kash | :D |
| 01:50.24 | thegh0st | and ive got a fedora installation currently |
| 01:50.25 | saboteur | go to the shops |
| 01:50.33 | thegh0st | no money either :P |
| 01:50.42 | thegh0st | anyway to install debian without a cd? |
| 01:50.43 | saboteur | netboot |
| 01:50.46 | kash | thegh0st: shipit.ubuntu.com ! |
| 01:50.48 | thegh0st | hmm |
| 01:50.51 | thegh0st | dont like ubuntu |
| 01:50.57 | kash | don't have to |
| 01:51.00 | kash | use it to install deebian |
| 01:51.04 | thegh0st | saboteur, whats this net boot thing? |
| 01:51.11 | thegh0st | kash, how do I do that? |
| 01:51.20 | kash | thegh0st: change the repo sites on the ubuntu livecd. |
| 01:51.26 | webfreak | just install the minimal install, and change the apt repositories |
| 01:51.34 | kash | or use an ipod to install it. |
| 01:51.38 | webfreak | run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:51.51 | webfreak | with -f |
| 01:52.07 | kash | -fu |
| 01:52.12 | webfreak | :( |
| 01:53.27 | thegh0st | hm |
| 01:53.33 | kash | hm |
| 01:53.39 | kash | thegh0st: no |
| 01:53.44 | ph00_phyter | how can I find out which installed apps are not actually needed? |
| 01:53.46 | steinex | thegh0st: probably not, no |
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| 01:53.49 | MatBoy | damn, it's almost impossible to recover the system |
| 01:53.51 | steinex | thegh0st: i guess not. |
| 01:53.57 | kash | thegh0st: no |
| 01:54.01 | kash | thegh0st: certainly not |
| 01:54.03 | theBeno | Does anyone know if dd will remove Host Protected Areas on the HD? |
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| 01:54.17 | kash | thegh0st: maybe |
| 01:54.21 | kash | thegh0st: oh wait.. nevermind, no. |
| 01:54.23 | steinex | thegh0st: nope, that won't do it. |
| 01:54.24 | webfreak | ... |
| 01:54.30 | Serial | hi all |
| 01:54.33 | Serial | debian world :P |
| 01:54.42 | kash | thegh0st: you sure? |
| 01:54.46 | kash | thegh0st: mmm... no. |
| 01:54.50 | thegh0st | kash, idiot.. |
| 01:54.57 | steinex | thegh0st: that's seems bad too... let's try again. nope for now. |
| 01:55.04 | kash | thegh0st: how about n |
| 01:55.05 | kash | o |
| 01:55.15 | theBeno | Any ideas? |
| 01:55.17 | kash | no |
| 01:55.26 | steinex | nope, no clue here too. |
| 01:55.30 | webfreak | please stop. |
| 01:55.37 | kash | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda |
| 01:55.40 | kash | that should do it |
| 01:55.45 | kash | good luck theBeno |
| 01:55.48 | theBeno | Thanks. |
| 01:55.50 | steinex | kash: yes |
| 01:55.53 | webfreak | and don't do that. |
| 01:55.54 | kash | steinex: yes. |
| 01:56.13 | kash | webfreak: yes |
| 01:56.24 | steinex | dd sounds good, try it theBeno. |
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| 01:56.32 | steinex | that's the only way i'd do it too. |
| 01:56.45 | kash | oh man |
| 01:56.46 | kash | i feel sick |
| 01:56.47 | kash | bbs |
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| 01:58.04 | theBeno | kash, does dd clear mbr also? |
| 01:58.46 | webfreak | theBeno: don't run that dd command. |
| 01:59.05 | theBeno | webfreak, why not? |
| 01:59.16 | webfreak | theBeno: it'll screw your hard drive? |
| 01:59.26 | theBeno | I want it cleared. |
| 01:59.29 | webfreak | oh |
| 01:59.32 | webfreak | :P |
| 01:59.40 | webfreak | <- didn't read |
| 01:59.46 | theBeno | Hopefully the mbr and HPA also. |
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| 02:01.44 | theBeno | kash, steinex, how long should I wait for a 80gb drive. |
| 02:02.00 | theBeno | There is no meter or confirmation it seems. No way to see if it's running. |
| 02:02.04 | kash | err |
| 02:02.06 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.19 | kash | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=512 |
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| 02:02.31 | theBeno | kash, what's that? |
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| 02:02.35 | theBeno | count? |
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| 02:02.52 | kash | counts blocks |
| 02:02.59 | theBeno | And I want 512? |
| 02:03.04 | kash | yes |
| 02:03.06 | kash | MBR |
| 02:03.09 | scx | hey someone knows how to open /dev/video with xine or mplayer? |
| 02:03.16 | kash | you don't. |
| 02:03.30 | theBeno | kash, I'm confused. |
| 02:03.34 | kash | it's ok |
| 02:03.37 | theBeno | I want my WHOLE drive whiped... |
| 02:03.37 | kash | just run the new command |
| 02:03.40 | kash | it's ok! |
| 02:03.42 | kash | don't worry about it |
| 02:03.48 | theBeno | Ctrl + C to stop the last? |
| 02:03.48 | kash | mbr and partition table are good enough |
| 02:03.51 | kash | yes |
| 02:04.04 | kash | if you want it really wiped then use /dev/urandom instead of /dev/zero |
| 02:04.07 | kash | i'm out |
| 02:04.07 | kash | bye |
| 02:04.07 | theBeno | It starts at 512? |
| 02:04.10 | kash | YES. |
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| 02:04.13 | kash | holy jesus |
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| 02:04.26 | theBeno | Why don't I want it to start at 0? |
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| 02:05.02 | scx | so what can I use to play my webcam? vlc seems to run but I can see just a black screen |
| 02:05.13 | ph00_phyter | because zero is lame? |
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| 02:12.00 | bswift | Is there any way to rebuild /var/cache/apt/pgkcache from sources.list ? Is there any downside to that ? |
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| 02:25.16 | Alien_Freak | what repositories do I need to be able to install acroread? |
| 02:25.25 | Alien_Freak | is there a howto I should follow? |
| 02:26.01 | dondelelcaro | Alien_Freak: no one can distribute acroread save for adobe |
| 02:26.07 | dondelelcaro | Alien_Freak: just use xpdf |
| 02:26.37 | Alien_Freak | really? so there is 3rd party apt-get source to be added? |
| 02:26.57 | dondelelcaro | no, there's no third party apt-get source to be added, unless you manage to find one that is illegal |
| 02:27.20 | Alien_Freak | hmm... |
| 02:27.37 | dondelelcaro | why do you want it anyway, though? |
| 02:27.48 | Alien_Freak | wonder how gentoo pulled it off... portage downloads acroread though I think it's hosted at adobe.com |
| 02:27.58 | Alien_Freak | just prefer and feel/look over xpdf or kpdf |
| 02:28.00 | dondelelcaro | Alien_Freak: that's because they don't download it |
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| 02:28.11 | dondelelcaro | s/download/host/ |
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| 02:29.06 | dondelelcaro | uh... just get used to xpdf or kpdf or gpdf... they work much better for most documents. |
| 02:29.33 | cafuego | There is an 'illegal' one for Ubuntu which I'm sure will work fine on Debian. |
| 02:30.24 | cafuego | Alien_Freak: Try http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl/pool/dapper-seveas/extras/acroread_7.0.8-0.0_i386.deb |
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| 02:35.13 | Alien_Freak | k.. thanks |
| 02:35.55 | Alien_Freak | gtg.. but thanks.. that worked |
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| 02:42.06 | FernandoMM | Which programs does debian have to syncronize a folder between two or more servers? (apache replication) |
| 02:42.14 | karsten | FernandoMM: rsync |
| 02:42.24 | karsten | FernandoMM: se/folder/directory/ |
| 02:42.28 | karsten | s/se/s/ |
| 02:42.34 | karsten | s/karsten/lamer/ |
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| 02:43.40 | FernandoMM | karsten: thanks, will take a look :) |
| 02:43.43 | karsten | FernandoMM: rsync -avz local/ user@remotehost:remotepath/ is what you'll want. |
| 02:43.52 | karsten | The slashes matter. |
| 02:44.17 | FernandoMM | karsten: so one of the machines will be the server and the other ones will be the clients? |
| 02:44.33 | karsten | FernandoMM: Tell us more about what you wan.t |
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| 02:44.56 | karsten | FernandoMM: Do you want to periodically synchronize files between two systems/ If so, rsync is what you wnat. |
| 02:45.38 | karsten | FernandoMM: If you wanmt something closer to realtime updates, unison may be a better solution (it's built on top of rsync). |
| 02:45.42 | karsten | !unison |
| 02:45.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, unison is a nice tool to synchronise files between two systems, it uses the rsync transferprotocol and can be used over ssh or over socket, apt-get install unison, or at http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ |
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| 02:46.24 | karsten | FernandoMM: I've used rsync extensively, unison not at all. |
| 02:46.32 | Mnabil | hay guys , where i can find real time patches for linux kernel 2.4 |
| 02:46.43 | FernandoMM | karsten: i have two servers, one is running mysql and another is running apache. The problem is that if one of them have a problem, my sites get unavaible. I know that mysql have replication but i don't know about what can i do with /var/www/ and apache |
| 02:46.54 | karsten | Mnabil: The hay guys are in #debian-farm |
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| 02:47.24 | karsten | FernandoMM: That's not a replication-solvable problem. You've created a non-redundant architecture. |
| 02:47.34 | karsten | FernandoMM: You're probably looking for HA, failover, or similar. |
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| 02:48.04 | karsten | FernandoMM: What do you want to have happne if one or the other service goes down? |
| 02:48.05 | FernandoMM | karsten: you are right, failover. Is rsync an option? |
| 02:48.12 | karsten | No. |
| 02:48.32 | Mnabil | karsten, can you only , answer me without joking, then if r not in da farm, then you don't have time to waste on jokes :S |
| 02:48.42 | karsten | Mnabil: hay is for horses. |
| 02:48.59 | karsten | Mnabil: However, "hey, guys" might be an informal greeting. |
| 02:49.36 | FernandoMM | karsten: want the other to assume it and keep my sites and services up, even if it implies in my services getting slower |
| 02:49.37 | Mnabil | karsten, anyway , ok |
| 02:49.41 | karsten | FernandoMM: monitoring, replication, heartbeat monitors, activation scripts, and possible DNS tweakage. |
| 02:50.02 | karsten | FernandoMM: I don't know of any specific soliutions though there's lots of homebrew out thee. |
| 02:50.06 | karsten | s/thee/there/ |
| 02:50.15 | karsten | FernandoMM: Might /msg dpkg high availability. |
| 02:50.41 | karsten | Mnabil: Google is your friend. |
| 02:51.00 | Mnabil | karsten, i already googled :) |
| 02:51.22 | karsten | OK. That's as much as I know. Might try a more appropriate forum / linux dev mailing list. |
| 02:52.17 | FernandoMM | karsten: thanks for the help :) |
| 02:52.43 | karsten | FernandoMM: NP |
| 02:53.17 | karsten | FernandoMM: Might also stop by #mysql and #apache and ask about failover / redundancy options. |
| 02:53.49 | FernandoMM | karsten: will linux-ha cover it too? |
| 02:54.09 | karsten | Might. Likely low traffic there. |
| 02:54.53 | karsten | FernandoMM: http://www.google.com/search?q=apache+mysql+failover+%22high+availability%22 turns up some interesting reading |
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| 02:55.29 | teksimian | how can i check what version of gcc compiled my kernel? |
| 02:55.40 | karsten | teksimian: uname -a |
| 02:55.59 | karsten | teksimian: erm, cat /proc/version |
| 02:56.23 | karsten | teksimian: Latter works. |
| 02:57.06 | karsten | FernandoMM: http://www.karkomaonline.com/article.php?story=2004012416185184 |
| 02:57.33 | teksimian | thanks |
| 02:59.01 | FernandoMM | karsten: i saw this site, it's really interesting. My major problem (at this moment) is with apache. I have only one external ip and a router modem and i don't know how will i do a nat that redirect to two machines |
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| 02:59.30 | karsten | FernandoMM: Linux Virtual Server is one aproach. |
| 02:59.56 | karsten | FernandoMM: Note that single IP, single router, single pipe become three single points of failure. |
| 03:00.47 | karsten | http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ |
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| 03:03.34 | FernandoMM | karsten: serious, i didn't tought i have so many options |
| 03:03.42 | karrot-x | how do you show drives connected but no mounted? |
| 03:03.57 | karsten | karrot-x: cat /proc/partitions |
| 03:04.08 | karsten | karrot-x: Sometimes: fdisk -l |
| 03:04.23 | karsten | karrot-x: ... with no arguments, will scan all storage. |
| 03:04.24 | buchannon | anyone know why I can't get into the java channel? |
| 03:04.47 | karrot-x | karsten: hmm |
| 03:04.53 | karsten | buchannon: CTU's in lockdown? |
| 03:04.59 | buchannon | <shrug> |
| 03:05.09 | karrot-x | thanks |
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| 03:06.30 | FernandoMM | karsten: in linux virtual server i will have problems if director goes down, right? |
| 03:06.39 | karsten | FernandoMM: Yep. |
| 03:06.48 | karsten | FernandoMM: SOPs are your enemy. |
| 03:07.02 | karsten | SPOFs, rather. |
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| 03:08.22 | karsten | FernandoMM: LVS isn't an HA solution so much as it's a virtual clustering solution. You're making a set of servers accessble behind a single interface. |
| 03:08.23 | Inferno | hi |
| 03:08.36 | karsten | You are then fully reliant on that single interface. |
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| 03:09.24 | FernandoMM | karsten: i will try to setup heartbeat first, then i will se what are my options |
| 03:09.34 | karsten | OK |
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| 03:11.26 | karsten | bbl |
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| 03:13.28 | Arc4nuS | hi everyone |
| 03:13.51 | Arc4nuS | i have a problem with xgl server |
| 03:14.18 | Arc4nuS | when the screensaver start, the sesion resets |
| 03:14.43 | Arc4nuS | does somebody know my problem? |
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| 03:17.55 | FernandoMM | karsten: i don't know if this is right place to ask this question. But do you know if it's possible to do this with only two nodes (so the same two nodes that are in the apache cluster will be in the load balancing cluster)-> http://www.howtoforge.com/high_availability_loadbalanced_apache_cluster |
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| 03:21.08 | dakine | what does it mean if my boot hangs after 'verifying DMI pool data' 3fA |
| 03:21.37 | dakine | 3FA: |
| 03:21.37 | dakine | a slave drive fwiw |
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| 03:29.35 | s0| | I am having some issues with my nvidia drivers for my install, I did "export CC=gcc-4.0" in hopes this would allow the check sum to work better but it is still giving me problems., |
| 03:30.49 | s0| | there is no precompiled kernel interface was foound to match mine, I attempt to download a kernnel interface tool from nvidia. |
| 03:31.00 | s0| | there are none at the site |
| 03:31.11 | s0| | then the error I can't seem to fix. |
| 03:31.23 | s0| | Unable to find the kernel sopurce treee for the currently running kernel. |
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| 03:31.38 | s0| | I did an Apt-get for my current kernal-source |
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| 03:32.19 | s0| | feel free to jump in here anytime folks. |
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| 03:34.42 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 03:35.14 | s0| | ? |
| 03:35.19 | jetscreamer | a, this is a job for #nvidia b, apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` ` not ' |
| 03:35.26 | jetscreamer | c |
| 03:35.38 | jetscreamer | sh NVIDIA-blah.run -A|less |
| 03:35.40 | ricochet | any know of an alsa-project.org mirror? or.. couly you help me get my sound working again? |
| 03:35.48 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 03:35.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 03:36.03 | jetscreamer | for 2.6 kernel |
| 03:36.26 | ricochet | jetscreamer: hm, I think I have most of those loaded... checking |
| 03:36.29 | jetscreamer | you want the --kernel-include-path= directive s0| |
| 03:36.42 | jetscreamer | or the new equiv |
| 03:36.59 | jetscreamer | also apt-get install build-essential |
| 03:37.05 | jetscreamer | and maybe gcc4.0 |
| 03:37.19 | s0| | I got gcc4.0 |
| 03:37.24 | jetscreamer | k |
| 03:37.47 | jetscreamer | there's a script that works on http://kanotix.com/files/ for what you want to do |
| 03:37.52 | oywol | is this correct? find -exec 'test -f {} && echo {}' \; |
| 03:37.56 | jetscreamer | but i didn't say that in here |
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| 03:39.16 | jetscreamer | i don't know oywol :/ |
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| 03:39.34 | bbelt16ag | hey |
| 03:39.42 | jetscreamer | hay |
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| 03:39.55 | jbdubbs | anybody around that knows about livecd creation? |
| 03:40.12 | bbelt16ag | what would be the 'path to apache' for debian? if you were compiling php from source.. would it be /etc/apache or /usr/share/apache? |
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| 03:40.25 | oywol | find /usr -exec "test -f {} && echo {}" \; |
| 03:40.28 | oywol | find: test -f /usr/share/doc/bsdutils && echo /usr/share/doc/bsdutils: No such file or directory |
| 03:40.38 | oywol | what's wrong? |
| 03:40.58 | bbelt16ag | it dosnt exsist... |
| 03:41.07 | oywol | i does |
| 03:41.15 | oywol | run it on your box |
| 03:41.17 | bbelt16ag | do you have permission? |
| 03:41.26 | oywol | try it on your box |
| 03:41.29 | bbelt16ag | k |
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| 03:42.13 | bbelt16ag | hmmm |
| 03:42.28 | bbelt16ag | well i dont have test installed and if i take off test -f it works fine |
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| 03:44.18 | kerpal2343 | test |
| 03:44.55 | Vituz | is there any way to rebuild the apache2 directory as default using apt-get |
| 03:44.57 | Max_- | 1 2, 1 2 |
| 03:45.17 | Vituz | I apt-get remove apache2 then rebuild it and it still keeps the old files |
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| 03:46.28 | teksimian | wtf, vlc packages exist in unstable and in stable. but not testing. how retarded. |
| 03:46.31 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge |
| 03:46.45 | jetscreamer | >1 package like that |
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| 03:46.54 | Vituz | k |
| 03:47.08 | jetscreamer | >1 package like that teksimian |
| 03:47.35 | Vituz | ah |
| 03:47.43 | Vituz | thought you were talking to me :| |
| 03:47.47 | jetscreamer | they seem to have their reasons, even though i don't know what they are |
| 03:47.48 | jetscreamer | ya |
| 03:47.54 | kerpal2343 | dpkg -P the package name |
| 03:47.54 | jetscreamer | the --purge i was |
| 03:48.12 | kerpal2343 | dpkg -P /var/apt/cache/your-apache2-02.3834.843989.deb file |
| 03:48.18 | Vituz | k and to install apt-get install apache2 doesn't rebuild everything |
| 03:48.23 | grendal_prime | hey does anyone use nvu for web editing? |
| 03:48.34 | bbelt16ag | i feel like a dork |
| 03:48.49 | jetscreamer | --force-confmiss or somelthing in a dpkg line, or you can pass dpkg param/switch to apt |
| 03:48.58 | jetscreamer | i don't know how i just saw it htough |
| 03:49.02 | Vituz | ill try that thanks |
| 03:49.21 | jetscreamer | i'm not swearing it will work, but it may |
| 03:49.25 | kerpal2343 | Vituz someone will want to kill me for saying it but play with /var/lib/dpkg/status it is basically a long file that contains the dependecy tree, wipe out the mentions of the package tree related to apache2 and dpkg will treat you as "fresh" you may want to rm the directories related |
| 03:49.51 | jetscreamer | !kill kerpal2343 |
| 03:50.29 | Vituz | heh |
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| 03:51.30 | teksimian | any programs to capture movies from a usb webcam someone wants to recommend? |
| 03:52.20 | kerpal2343 | i have a service but not an application that does that |
| 03:52.27 | kerpal2343 | its called me your wife and a camcorder |
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| 03:52.36 | kerpal2343 | i typically charge 20/hr$ |
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| 03:53.10 | dlg | i wish i was funny |
| 03:53.27 | beardy | Any sane people awake? |
| 03:53.30 | kerpal2343 | like that dlg? |
| 03:53.31 | jetscreamer | i wish he was |
| 03:53.44 | morbius | i just installed etch a few hours ago - i got everything setup and i started to do some different compiles and its freezing quite freequently when the process is @ 100% usage for a minute or two...is there anything that I can do to help resolve this? |
| 03:53.45 | kerpal2343 | you guys realize this is no longer officially #debian right? |
| 03:53.47 | kerpal2343 | http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060604 |
| 03:54.02 | kerpal2343 | you would think dpkg would umm like tell us |
| 03:54.17 | kerpal2343 | some poor n00bs are lost at irc.oftc.net #debian |
| 03:54.24 | kerpal2343 | im the smartest person speaking. |
| 03:54.27 | beardy | What can I use to cat something as if it was displayed over 9600bps? (or another speed) |
| 03:54.27 | kerpal2343 | that is scary |
| 03:54.45 | zinx | kerpal2343: it used to be in the topic |
| 03:54.53 | kerpal2343 | thats funny |
| 03:54.57 | kerpal2343 | it should be closed |
| 03:55.03 | zinx | why? |
| 03:55.04 | kerpal2343 | im like did 2 ppl get in a fight? |
| 03:55.17 | kerpal2343 | one controlling the irc chan the other the dns cname? |
| 03:55.24 | kerpal2343 | cause otherwise you have 2 groups of ppl |
| 03:55.31 | kerpal2343 | it should actually moderated |
| 03:55.52 | beardy | You must have just come here. |
| 03:55.53 | kerpal2343 | +/-v and the bot announcing on join and 10 seconds after that the channel is moved |
| 03:56.00 | jetscreamer | if that happened where would i spout forth all my wisdom?? |
| 03:56.05 | beardy | If you haven't noticed any moderating, I mean. |
| 03:56.08 | kerpal2343 | irc.debian.org |
| 03:56.14 | kerpal2343 | not irc.freenode.org |
| 03:56.17 | kerpal2343 | but still #debian |
| 03:56.33 | jetscreamer | i see you missed my point |
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| 03:56.57 | kerpal2343 | its sad |
| 03:57.00 | jetscreamer | i have no desire to add a new server to my list |
| 03:57.06 | kerpal2343 | n00bs no help at the official irc spot |
| 03:57.12 | jetscreamer | aww |
| 03:57.19 | kerpal2343 | then should make dpkg X communicate |
| 03:57.22 | kerpal2343 | that would be cool! |
| 03:57.24 | jetscreamer | not my problem |
| 03:57.34 | kerpal2343 | I would +/-v the channel |
| 03:57.40 | Kevin` | they should move the channel back to freenode from oftc |
| 03:57.45 | kerpal2343 | then you can update your channels |
| 03:57.50 | kerpal2343 | i.e. #debian-1 |
| 03:57.53 | kerpal2343 | created by you |
| 03:58.00 | kerpal2343 | wouldn't that be cool you all alone |
| 03:58.03 | kerpal2343 | wow! |
| 03:58.07 | kerpal2343 | thats sounds brillian |
| 03:58.27 | beardy | *plonk* |
| 03:58.32 | beardy | Well? |
| 03:58.35 | kerpal2343 | Jet streamer you know what I would miss about you? |
| 03:58.46 | kerpal2343 | !penix_smite jetstreamer |
| 03:58.54 | kerpal2343 | dpkg penix_smite jetstreamer |
| 03:59.05 | kerpal2343 | grr! |
| 03:59.28 | kerpal2343 | ~smite jetstreamer |
| 03:59.31 | apt | ACTION wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves jetstreamer from crown to sole. |
| 03:59.31 | Vituz | hmm cant figure out for the life of me why php isnt working :| |
| 03:59.31 | tuv | great.. now we have advocates for different debian channels too.. another war flame.. debian vs. gentoo.. debian vs. ubuntu.. and now debian-freenode vs. debian-oftc |
| 03:59.46 | Vituz | last time all I needed to do was apt-get install apache2 php4 and it worked |
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| 04:00.01 | Vituz | im too tired to think straight I think |
| 04:00.17 | kerpal2343 | Think about your mom, i know she is tired. |
| 04:00.18 | tuv | give it a rest and come back to it later |
| 04:00.24 | jeeves_Moss | all: any one here ever use a kinamax BT-USB BlueTooth adaptor? |
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| 04:01.11 | kerpal2343 | no |
| 04:01.12 | Vituz | well its midnight and I gotta go to work in the morning |
| 04:01.16 | Vituz | deal with it tomorrow |
| 04:01.19 | kerpal2343 | everyone should answer 'no' now |
| 04:01.19 | Vituz | gnight all |
| 04:01.32 | beardy | haha.. |
| 04:01.43 | kerpal2343 | see jetstreamer, ppl do not contribute to oss software/support |
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| 04:03.07 | beardy | !seen abrotman |
| 04:03.08 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 8h 14m 6s ago, saying: 'signuts: you can compile on debian .. and IIRc .. gentoo has binary packages'. |
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| 04:03.48 | samuel | sup all |
| 04:04.02 | samuel | anyone know if aiglx is available in debian? |
| 04:04.14 | beardy | !tell samuel -about search |
| 04:04.19 | samuel | compiz/aiglx that is |
| 04:04.25 | beardy | !compiz |
| 04:04.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, compiz is probably a combined window manager / composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. Currently, it is only working correctly if run on Xgl. |
| 04:04.35 | beardy | !xgl |
| 04:04.36 | dpkg | well, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 04:05.03 | beardy | !aiglx |
| 04:05.04 | dpkg | i guess aiglx is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
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| 04:05.51 | samuel | beardy, thanks, im on an i810, i know it works, however i would like it in aiglx, ive only found aiglx for ubuntu, are they compatible? if i install and they dont work will my system be ok after i uninstall? |
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| 04:06.28 | samuel | thats my real concern |
| 04:06.34 | beardy | samuel: Mixing packages is nit a good idea, and not supported. It may not be. |
| 04:06.40 | beardy | s/nit/not |
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| 04:08.09 | samuel | beardy, will apt tell me files are duplicated? i dont really want to install other packages to test things out unless i know apt has some sort of safety feature |
| 04:08.51 | beardy | samuel: My advice is; don't do it. |
| 04:10.17 | samuel | beardy, thanks... i was on suse for a while, but rpm hell is bringing me back to debian, there just isnt a better program in the world than apt :) (except windows of course... lol) |
| 04:10.21 | beardy | samuel: If you really want to use that thing, perhaps you should either wait until it is packaged for Debian, or try and build it yourself, or just compile it. In /usr/local/src, that is. |
| 04:10.48 | beardy | samuel: I take it that last one was a joke? |
| 04:10.57 | samuel | beardy, lol |
| 04:11.09 | samuel | :) |
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| 04:12.33 | samuel | beardy, i do like xgl, but its not good if your on an intel i855gm... only for big computers or expensive laptops... |
| 04:12.46 | beardy | samuel: Another way is to make a good backup, then try and use that ubuntu package, but I didn't really say that. |
| 04:13.35 | pickcoder | samuel: you can get a 128MB graphics card for like $70 these days |
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| 04:13.39 | RnB-Tunes | http://www.RnB-Tunes.dl.am << new RnB, Hip Hop, Dancehall Tracks!!! free Download... CHECK IT!!!! |
| 04:13.53 | beardy | samuel: But if it's packaged for ubuntu, it should be possible to make a Debian package with that source package. |
| 04:14.00 | samuel | beardy, i can wait... im happy with glmatrix on my desktop... something that dri made possible in xorg 7.0 :) |
| 04:14.01 | beardy | !ops RnB-Tunes spammer |
| 04:14.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: beardy complains about: RnB-Tunes spammer |
| 04:14.16 | samuel | pickcoder, not $70 for a laptop |
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| 04:14.40 | beardy | !beer peterS |
| 04:14.58 | samuel | pickcoder, my desktop works fine with XGL, but im not going to buy a laptop just for aiglx :) |
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| 04:15.01 | bbelt16ag | grrr |
| 04:15.11 | samuel | i like it but not that much |
| 04:15.17 | beardy | peterS: If anyone knows what I'm looking for, I think you might be the one that knows.. my question above.. |
| 04:15.34 | bbelt16ag | ok i installed php the debian way with packages and it does not let me open a php page on my apache server. i have looked at the howto for debian on the php site and i am stuck |
| 04:16.10 | bbelt16ag | i keep trying to open a .php file and it tries to get me to open it with another application.. |
| 04:16.18 | bbelt16ag | like openwith... |
| 04:16.28 | bbelt16ag | weird |
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| 04:16.45 | samuel | anyone know how amd64 is coming along? is it easier to get firefox, flash and java with 32 bit libs now? |
| 04:16.45 | beardy | bbelt16ag: Your Apache is not parsing it. |
| 04:16.58 | bbelt16ag | obiously. |
| 04:17.02 | bbelt16ag | i missed something |
| 04:17.03 | peterS | beardy: looking for XGL? I wouldn't bother if I were you - those two X + OpenGL servers apparently have odd bugs still. long term they'll be moving toward AIGLX anyway, which I _believe_ is now in unstable, though I haven't checked |
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| 04:17.10 | beardy | peterS: No. |
| 04:17.14 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
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| 04:17.23 | samuel | peterS, in experimental |
| 04:17.29 | beardy | peterS: What can I use to cat something as if it was displayed over 9600bps? (or another speed) |
| 04:17.34 | pickcoder | bbelt16ag: is the apache module installed? dpkg -l | grep libapache-mod-php |
| 04:17.36 | patrick_ | Is anyone here know there way around the deibain packaging system really well? |
| 04:17.47 | stoned | hah |
| 04:17.52 | stoned | bbelt16ag, you're lucky I'm stoned |
| 04:17.54 | samuel | peterS, merged into xserver 7.1 (in experimental) |
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| 04:18.05 | peterS | beardy: oh ... don't know offhand. 'pv' can do bandwidth limiting, as can 'buffer', but neither of them does it on a single-character basis, I believe |
| 04:18.20 | Daedalus_ | patrick_, most everyone in some sense. Ask a more specific question. |
| 04:18.21 | stoned | bbelt16ag, you need to edit apache mine types in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 04:18.24 | qball2 | hey guys, does anyone know if the sound blaster audigy LS module ca0106 works yet? |
| 04:18.48 | stoned | bbelt16ag, for example, AddType application/x-httpd-php .php | AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps |
| 04:18.59 | beardy | peterS: Ah, I see.. yes, it's single-character parsing I need. I have a bunch of vt100 animations I want to look at. |
| 04:19.02 | patrick_ | Ok, i have a package that wont install, wont remove, and apt-get says it wont install anything until this package is reisntalled, wtf do i do. |
| 04:19.08 | peterS | beardy: pv isn't really meant for simple buffering, by default it gives you realtime transfer stats as it goes, but you can disable those and just use the bandwidth throttling. 'buffer' is probably more what you want |
| 04:19.10 | ns_ | I suspect someone knows, qball2 , but that someone is not me |
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| 04:19.40 | beardy | peterS: (and I _can_ do it over a serial line, but would be nice to view them with other terminals aswell) |
| 04:19.45 | qball2 | aight thx anyhwo, i looked online for hours and everyone is having problems with it |
| 04:19.47 | bbelt16ag | yes it is |
| 04:19.56 | elfoozo | I want to install deb package php4-gd on stable but it complains that 20 additional packages need to be installed. Some of these are like ttf-bitstream-vera & xfree86-common... I don't want all that bloat - is there way to just get php4-gd without massively breaking my system? |
| 04:19.58 | peterS | beardy: it'd be easy enough to write a simple 'cat' replacement that had a configurable speed. that would take maybe 10 lines of code |
| 04:20.00 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.11 | pickcoder | qball2: It is installed with my 2.6.16 kernel |
| 04:20.19 | pickcoder | qball2: I don't run a desktop though |
| 04:20.26 | qball2 | lol whys that? |
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| 04:20.40 | bbelt16ag | stoned it is done |
| 04:20.41 | pickcoder | qball2: b/c I don't want one? |
| 04:20.48 | qball2 | huh |
| 04:20.51 | qball2 | that would be hard |
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| 04:21.02 | qball2 | but anyhow, how did u get that workin? |
| 04:21.06 | beardy | peterS: Yeah, that's true. I'll have a look at buffer first. Thanks. |
| 04:21.16 | pickcoder | qball2: I don't have it working. It is listed in the kernel modules, though. |
| 04:21.27 | qball2 | hmm its not listen in mine |
| 04:21.34 | qball2 | theres 2 sound blasters but not mine |
| 04:21.37 | qball2 | and there loaded already |
| 04:22.04 | bbelt16ag | stoned: i got them both |
| 04:22.09 | bbelt16ag | and i install the app |
| 04:22.12 | pickcoder | qball2: /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-k7/kernel/sound/pci/ca0106/snd-ca0106.ko |
| 04:22.27 | stoned | bbelt16ag, you restarted apache? |
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| 04:22.41 | patrick_ | can somone take a look at this and tell me what they think? http://fr.pastebin.ca/165749 |
| 04:22.49 | bbelt16ag | apache stop apache start? |
| 04:23.01 | stoned | or apache restart |
| 04:23.11 | bbelt16ag | yeah it still does it :( |
| 04:24.08 | pickcoder | bbelt16ag: dpkg -l | grep libapache-mod-php |
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| 04:24.17 | bbelt16ag | its php4 |
| 04:24.21 | bbelt16ag | and i did that its installed |
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| 04:24.56 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 04:25.14 | bbelt16ag | thought it would be esier then compiling it from source.. |
| 04:25.20 | pickcoder | bbelt16ag: so dpkg -l shows it as installed? |
| 04:25.24 | bbelt16ag | guess now |
| 04:25.28 | bbelt16ag | yes it is |
| 04:25.39 | pickcoder | bbelt16ag: I had no issues with php |
| 04:25.54 | stoned | is php4 installed |
| 04:25.56 | pickcoder | bbelt16ag: what order did you install things? |
| 04:26.02 | stoned | well it has ot |
| 04:26.51 | bbelt16ag | hmmmm |
| 04:26.53 | bbelt16ag | good question |
| 04:26.59 | bbelt16ag | apache php, mysql |
| 04:27.11 | bbelt16ag | should i remove them all and then do in a diff order? |
| 04:27.15 | stoned | no |
| 04:27.23 | stoned | apt-get install php4 |
| 04:27.30 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 04:27.58 | stoned | I gotta wake up in 6 hours |
| 04:27.59 | stoned | :( |
| 04:28.06 | bbelt16ag | says its already the newest version |
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| 04:28.10 | bbelt16ag | ty for the help stoned :) |
| 04:28.14 | beardy | I gotta wake up in 15 minutes.. |
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| 04:28.28 | beardy | Going to be a hard day.. |
| 04:28.37 | stoned | I worked 14 hours today |
| 04:28.53 | pickcoder | bbelt16ag: apache2 or 1.3? |
| 04:29.03 | patrick_ | Are there any ways to force a package to remove? |
| 04:29.35 | beardy | patrick_: Yes. But tell us which package, and what the error(s) is when trying to uninstall it. |
| 04:29.45 | beardy | patrick_: First. |
| 04:30.06 | patrick_ | beardy > Im trying to fix and error http://fr.pastebin.ca/165749 |
| 04:30.30 | patrick_ | beardy > Its the project looking glass debs. |
| 04:31.51 | litage | when i run ``openssl s_client -connect www.altcall.com:443'' why does it say "verify error:num=19:self signed certificate in certificate chain"? going to voxpak.com in various browsers doesn't generate any warning |
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| 04:32.44 | patrick_ | beardy > Is it behond recovery? :( |
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| 04:37.01 | pickcoder | litage: try -showcerts and see which certificate is self signed |
| 04:38.32 | litage | pickcoder: i used -showcerts, but i'm not sure how to determine which is self-signed |
| 04:38.49 | pickcoder | litage: me either. I just read the man page. |
| 04:39.07 | litage | haha |
| 04:39.40 | pickcoder | litage: did you try google? |
| 04:40.27 | litage | yup, poking around google too |
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| 04:45.33 | twobitsprite | have the ibibilion repos changed? |
| 04:45.45 | twobitsprite | I can't seem to find anything in the directires I have in my sources.list |
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| 04:46.37 | holycow | i like the new graphical installer in etch |
| 04:46.38 | holycow | nice |
| 04:47.00 | holycow | although from the screenshots its very 'TEXTY' for a grpahical installer |
| 04:47.00 | holycow | hehehe |
| 04:50.16 | twobitsprite | so, I ran the command on the topic and I still get key problems |
| 04:50.21 | ricochet | could someone help me with my sound? I use alsa... it was working before, I had my .asoundrc configured to use my optical out. I removed my .asound out so it would go back to the normal audio out, and nothing plays. I have mplayer -ao alsa foo.mp3 playing something right now, but I hear nothing. any help would be appreciated. if I boot into windows the sound works, so I know its on the computer side of things |
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| 04:52.39 | LunarCrisis | Is there a way to force the unmounting of a USB device? |
| 04:53.03 | beardy | peterS: 'buffer -i somefile.vt -s 1b -u 180000' was what I wanted, http://defiant.infidyne.com/~beardy/foo/vt100.zip if you want. |
| 04:53.09 | patrick_ | beardy > did you ever look at that pastebin? |
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| 04:53.33 | comsa | bucket of cold water |
| 04:54.09 | beardy | patrick_: Yes, quickly.. please, repeat your problem, and that pastebin, to noone special, and hopefully someone can/has time to help you. |
| 04:55.11 | beardy | s/quickly/briefly/ |
| 04:56.06 | jetscreamer | man mount maybe |
| 04:56.21 | patrick_ | I cant remove/reinstall this package that is casuing errors in apt-get, http://fr.pastebin.ca/165749 |
| 04:57.14 | jetscreamer | put a copy of lg3d-core_0.9.0_dev_i686.deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 04:57.23 | patrick_ | did that |
| 04:57.24 | jetscreamer | and it will find it |
| 04:57.55 | patrick_ | didnt work :( |
| 04:58.08 | jetscreamer | well if you get desperate, man dpkg --force-help |
| 04:58.19 | jetscreamer | wtf is that anyway |
| 04:58.28 | patrick_ | looking glass |
| 04:59.04 | jetscreamer | and where did you get it |
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| 04:59.38 | patrick_ | https://lg3d.dev.java.net/ |
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| 04:59.48 | jetscreamer | ah is this that glx stuff somebody pasted? |
| 05:00.15 | patrick_ | ya |
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| 05:01.21 | jetscreamer | tsk |
| 05:01.24 | beardy | peterS: the file torturet.vt was interesting (in vt100.zip) Thanks again, have a nice day :) |
| 05:01.27 | grendal_prime | grrr... |
| 05:01.29 | peterS | beardy: I was just now having a bit of fun with writing a proper and accurate slow-baud filter. http://p12n.org/tmp/baud.c - compile it and run it as './baud 2400 < filename.vt' |
| 05:01.37 | grendal_prime | i wish nvu would just load a php document.. |
| 05:01.42 | grendal_prime | like anything else does |
| 05:01.48 | jetscreamer | well if it was me, and only if it was me, i'd --force-all it |
| 05:01.55 | jetscreamer | why won't it install |
| 05:02.23 | patrick_ | look at this man |
| 05:02.24 | patrick_ | http://fr.pastebin.ca/167636 |
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| 05:02.43 | jetscreamer | ./ <--not needed |
| 05:03.02 | heviarti | anyone here good with iptables? I can't seem to get out of my network... i think something might be wrong with my rules. |
| 05:03.20 | jetscreamer | patrick_: install it first like it said |
| 05:03.31 | jetscreamer | why won't it install |
| 05:03.48 | amphi | heviarti: you could pastebin the output of iptables-save |
| 05:03.49 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: --force-all won't help |
| 05:04.12 | dondelelcaro | patrick_: where is that package from? You've basically got rather large errors in the prerm and postinst for it |
| 05:04.45 | heviarti | amphi: well the rules I'm using are pretty simple and i can't get out... |
| 05:04.54 | jetscreamer | https://lg3d.dev.java.net/ <--he got it from there |
| 05:05.41 | amphi | heviarti: ... |
| 05:06.05 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 05:06.12 | jetscreamer | https://lg3d-core.dev.java.net/binary-builds.html they're ubuntu packages |
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| 05:06.47 | beardy | peterS: Works great :) (2400 is a bit too slow though, 9600 or 19200 was nicer) |
| 05:06.47 | heviarti | amphi: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE <-does that look right? |
| 05:07.03 | grendal_prime | heviarti, your network card working? |
| 05:07.37 | peterS | beardy: if you use the 'time' utility, and divide file sizes by (baud/8) to get expected runtime, you'll see my program is quite accurate (: |
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| 05:07.47 | amphi | heviarti: yeah - cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward shows '1'? |
| 05:08.00 | peterS | because it corrects its own round-off errors continually |
| 05:08.01 | beardy | peterS: Now patch cat(1) and make it go in it ;) |
| 05:08.06 | heviarti | amphi: yes |
| 05:08.22 | jetscreamer | patrick_: were you the guy who asked about mixing ubuntu and debian packages? |
| 05:08.31 | jetscreamer | earlier? |
| 05:09.06 | amphi | heviarti: what about policy on the INPUT and FORWARD chains? |
| 05:09.14 | heviarti | amphi: none |
| 05:09.23 | heviarti | I'm just trying to get this thing to work. |
| 05:09.35 | amphi | heviarti: can't be none - you mean ACCEPT? |
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| 05:10.37 | heviarti | amphi input and output are accept, forward is set to drop.. |
| 05:10.46 | amphi | heviarti: duh ;) |
| 05:11.16 | heviarti | lemme grab the howto again and see if i can figure out how to reset the damn thing.. |
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| 05:11.28 | heviarti | i flushed the rules several times, and it stays in that state |
| 05:11.35 | amphi | heviarti: set FORWARD policy to ACCEPT for now |
| 05:11.57 | heviarti | amphi: yeah.. i need to go find the syntax for that. |
| 05:12.06 | beardy | peterS: Yes, quite, 0.488s off. :) |
| 05:12.09 | amphi | heviarti: iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT |
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| 05:12.51 | beardy | peterS: Great, you've made my day. |
| 05:12.54 | beardy | !beer peterS |
| 05:12.56 | peterS | beardy: heh |
| 05:13.10 | heviarti | that did it |
| 05:13.48 | amphi | heviarti: yes |
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| 05:17.11 | mike_m | after dist-upgrade thismorning, vim is broken. Any ideas? -- vim: Depends: vim-runtime (= 1:7.0-035+1) but 1:7.0-094+1 is to be installed |
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| 05:27.54 | jetscreamer | !tell s0| -about paste |
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| 05:28.15 | mortal5 | has anyone here used ffmpeg lately? |
| 05:28.26 | mortal5 | I think the unstable build is broken |
| 05:31.18 | grendal_prime | or its just unstable |
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| 05:31.53 | grendal_prime | i mean...well...you know...that means it could do anything....about like my three year old after eating birthday cake. |
| 05:32.04 | grendal_prime | anyway..im going to bed. |
| 05:32.07 | grendal_prime | seeeeeeeeeeeeee yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 05:32.09 | mortal5 | lol |
| 05:32.12 | mortal5 | later |
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| 05:38.37 | pab | hey |
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| 05:40.28 | pab | how can I do with sed to change from a=whatever to a=somethingelse when I don't know what whatever is, I just know the pattern a= |
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| 05:42.23 | jetscreamer | is there a #sed ? |
| 05:42.46 | simonrvn | /msg chanserv list *sed* |
| 05:42.56 | pab | there is... didn't know that, thanks man |
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| 05:43.14 | jetscreamer | neither did i |
| 05:43.24 | simonrvn | what he sed |
| 05:43.54 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:44.11 | simonrvn | ok, not *that* sorry =) |
| 05:44.21 | klsdkljskl | ne1 here do any expect programming? |
| 05:44.41 | simonrvn | :01:44:30:. ==> There is no such nick ne1 |
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| 05:45.04 | teardrop-afk | does anyone here have any experience with FreeNX? |
| 05:45.25 | streuner | FreeNX is in debian? |
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| 05:45.39 | teardrop-afk | streuner: no but I used an external repository |
| 05:46.02 | simonrvn | and you expect us to help you? ;p |
| 05:46.13 | teardrop-afk | well it's a general question |
| 05:46.26 | simonrvn | that one was unintentional |
| 05:46.57 | simonrvn | general enough to ignore ;p |
| 05:47.15 | teardrop-afk | :P |
| 05:47.41 | teardrop-afk | psycodad: are you by any small chance here? |
| 05:47.43 | simonrvn | stephen colbert puts me in that mood sometimes =) |
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| 05:49.45 | Dominicano | i have a portatil toshiba, i installed debian on it, but i use a external monitor with 14 inch, when I try the resolution 00x600 the fonts are horrible, my video card is a Ati 200m |
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| 05:50.27 | Dominicano | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.44 | teardrop-afk | well if anyone knows how to solve this problem PM me: I have a FreeNX server setup and when I try to connect to it with the windows nx client the login process goes alright but nothing shows up afterwards... |
| 05:51.07 | jetscreamer | there are some toshiba specific kernel modules that don't seem to get autoloaded for me, don't know if that will help you though... 2 different kernel modules. also, there is a toshutils package available in sources.. once again, not sure if it will help |
| 05:51.44 | jetscreamer | the #kanotix ppl supply freenx |
| 05:51.52 | teardrop-afk | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 05:51.56 | simonrvn | could try there |
| 05:52.02 | jetscreamer | in their distro i mean |
| 05:52.07 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 05:52.11 | jetscreamer | nn |
| 05:52.17 | Dominicano | i have a portatil toshiba, i installed debian on it, but i use a external monitor with 14 inch, when I try the resolution 00x600 the fonts are horrible, my video card is a Ati 200m |
| 05:52.25 | simonrvn | !tell Dominicano about repeat |
| 05:52.33 | jetscreamer | Dominicano: ^^^ see above |
| 05:53.47 | Dominicano | i have a portatil toshiba, i installed debian on it, but i use a external monitor with 14 inch, when I try the resolution 00x600 the fonts are horrible, my video card is a Ati 200m what can i do with the fonst |
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| 05:54.18 | jetscreamer | dom.... |
| 05:54.20 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 05:54.28 | clocker | Dominicano, save yourself. Read the topic... :D |
| 05:54.32 | jetscreamer | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7/ |
| 05:55.07 | teardrop-afk | Dominicano: try startx --dpi 100 |
| 05:55.22 | Dominicano | thanks |
| 05:55.31 | teardrop-afk | Dominicano: did it work? |
| 05:55.40 | Dominicano | i gonna try it |
| 05:55.43 | teardrop-afk | k |
| 05:56.52 | teardrop-afk | Dominicano: lol...are you going to try now or should I just go to sleep |
| 05:57.19 | Dominicano | <teardrop-afk> I wish to try it.... |
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| 05:57.36 | Dominicano | teardrop-afk but i am in the X mode right now |
| 05:57.44 | teardrop-afk | Dominicano: ah ok |
| 05:57.54 | teardrop-afk | Dominicano: maybe I'll see you tomorrow :) |
| 05:58.03 | Dominicano | teardrop-afk ok, thanks |
| 05:58.06 | teardrop-afk | np |
| 05:59.50 | Swynndla | I keep being told by some people that for sid, dist-upgrade is the way to go, and I've been told by others, that only upgrade should be used ... is it true that there is no consensus on this issue? or do most debian people using sid use dist-upgrade? |
| 06:00.10 | dondelelcaro | !dist-upgrade |
| 06:00.10 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'sarge->etch', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
| 06:00.44 | dondelelcaro | Swynndla: you should ignore their advice, and start using aptitude instead with it's curses interface. |
| 06:02.03 | Swynndla | dondelelcaro: I've tried to google this a bit too, and I'm still confused ... some say exactly the opposite of what you just said. |
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| 06:02.19 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; they're wrong, basically. |
| 06:02.58 | dondelelcaro | the reason why you shouldn't blindly use dist-upgrade is because unstable is not always in a position to be upgradeable. dist-upgrade will remove packages if it's the highest scoring solution, possibly resulting in a broken (or rather unusable) system. |
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| 06:04.15 | Swynndla | dondelelcaro: I've been dist-upgrading for a while (a year or so) and I've ended up in trouble for a few days quite a number of times |
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| 06:04.50 | Swynndla | dondelelcaro: but "they" say that if I use mere upgrade, then in the long term it'll break my system |
| 06:05.12 | dondelelcaro | Swynndla: no, it just means that you won't be upgrading packages that require others to be installed or removed. |
| 06:05.29 | dondelelcaro | Swynndla: regardless, if you use aptitude instead, it deals with all of this fairly sanely. |
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| 06:06.57 | Swynndla | dondelelcaro: I haven't used aptitude, partly because I've heard that apt-get is the only thing that will dist-upgrade properly ... so aptitude only upgrades right? |
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| 06:08.32 | dondelelcaro | Swynndla: no, it does both |
| 06:09.11 | Swynndla | dondelelcaro: but you are basically saying I should never dist-upgrade, right? |
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| 06:09.24 | dondelelcaro | Swynndla: I'm saying you should never blindly dist-upgrade. |
| 06:10.18 | Swynndla | dondelelcaro: I think I know what you mean ... thanks for you advice |
| 06:10.20 | dondelelcaro | and suggesting that you start using aptitude instead, because aptitude upgrade; does the right thing |
| 06:11.16 | Swynndla | if aptitude is just a front end, then it'd be the same as apt-get upgrade?? |
| 06:11.21 | dondelelcaro | no, it won't |
| 06:11.46 | sprink | Swynndla. apt-get is just a front end too. |
| 06:11.53 | dondelelcaro | parts of the dependency resolving libraries are called differently in aptitude than they are in apt-get |
| 06:12.09 | sprink | two completely different front-ends :P |
| 06:12.14 | Swynndla | ahhhh |
| 06:13.54 | Swynndla | so when is the right time to dist-upgrade? |
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| 06:14.15 | dondelelcaro | Swynndla: if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't be using unstable, or you should be using aptitude instead. |
| 06:14.21 | sprink | Swynndla. I prefer late at night when its cool and breezy |
| 06:14.23 | dondelelcaro | !tell Swynndla -about why not dist-upgrade |
| 06:14.26 | TraceGreen | Hello, I have a wireless card in linux, how can i config it? |
| 06:14.52 | TraceGreen | which package should i install to config my wireless card? |
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| 06:15.13 | Swynndla | thanks for your advice dondelelcaro, sprink |
| 06:16.05 | pstickne | unstable is bad. testing is ... usually ... pretty good. backports are for the timid. :) |
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| 06:16.34 | bcr | in my experience testing is the worst of unstable and stable |
| 06:16.42 | bcr | i.e. both old and broken |
| 06:16.51 | pstickne | bcr, works fine here O.o |
| 06:17.15 | pstickne | well ... usually. :p |
| 06:17.19 | bcr | shrug.. i guess it depends on what pkgs you use etc |
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| 06:19.30 | sprink | its pretty rock solid if you dont use X :P |
| 06:19.55 | bcr | unstable is fine if you dont care about them breaking man page symlinks four times a day :) |
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| 06:20.27 | sprink | hehehe.. unstable is really that active huh? |
| 06:20.37 | TraceGreen | Hello, i use apt-cache search iwconfig, but just get a utily for kde. How shall i config my wireless card, or , how can i know linux support my wireless card? |
| 06:20.38 | nopalin | what this error mean? |
| 06:20.43 | nopalin | ** ERROR **: couldn't get dbus. |
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| 06:21.07 | sprink | nopalin. does that happen when you start gnome? |
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| 06:21.22 | Dewi | Swynndla: you're probably safer to use a sarge install with 1 or 2 backports than going straight to testing |
| 06:21.24 | sprink | nopalin. you most likely need to start the dbus daemon. |
| 06:21.28 | nopalin | sprink: no, when i want to run csm (compiz-setting-manager) |
| 06:21.31 | Dewi | Swynndla: although with backports you have to remember to update them yourself |
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| 06:22.03 | nopalin | sprink: if i run dbus-launch command, it run very well |
| 06:22.17 | sprink | nopalin. yup. |
| 06:23.02 | nopalin | sprink: how can i solve this problem? i run /etc/init.d/dbus start but nottinh change |
| 06:24.24 | pinky_ | Where would be the best place to look for the reason Amarok isn't being updated in Sid? |
| 06:25.03 | Swynndla | Dewi: I guess I was attracted to the latest and greatest, and decided to put that over stability (for my home pc at least) |
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| 06:25.42 | sprink | nopalin. what does it say? |
| 06:26.10 | nopalin | sprink: system message bus already started; not starting. |
| 06:26.32 | nopalin | sprink: Starting system message bus: dbus |
| 06:27.36 | sprink | nopalin. try starting it with dbus-daemon --system |
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| 06:28.44 | nopalin | sprink: Failed to start message bus: The pid file "/var/run/dbus/pid" exists, if the message bus is not running, remove this file |
| 06:29.22 | sprink | nopalin. is dbus running? check with ps aux | grep dbus |
| 06:30.24 | nopalin | sprint: alot of results: 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system (once), 0:00 dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 8 --print-address 6 --session (about 20 times) |
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| 06:31.32 | sprink | nopalin. okay.. so it's running already.. I'v never used compiz.. but does it have a start up configuration file? |
| 06:31.56 | sprink | nopalin. than you can put the dbus-launch command in there |
| 06:32.06 | sprink | I know the newer versions of gnome requires it. |
| 06:32.13 | sprink | I'm guessing compiz does too. |
| 06:33.01 | nopalin | sprink: yes... but compiz have a lot of configurations.. when i change some thing, nothing happens, |
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| 06:33.26 | nopalin | sprink: so i think dbus is causing the problem |
| 06:34.07 | Swynndla | Dewi: the trouble is, those who use sid say it's the way to go, and those who use testing say testing is best, and the same for those who use stable |
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| 06:34.41 | sprink | nopalin. try restarting dbus |
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| 06:35.08 | sprink | nopalin /etc/init.d/dbus restart |
| 06:35.09 | nopalin | sprink: i tried, the same is happens |
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| 06:37.16 | Dewi | Swynndla: that's because all of them have different uses |
| 06:37.28 | Dewi | Swynndla: they also have ascending difficulty of administration |
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| 06:37.43 | liable | meh, choosing a mobo with sata support that works for a 2.6.8 kernel is tedious |
| 06:37.56 | nopalin | sprink: however, thank you for your help |
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| 06:38.24 | Dewi | liable: the silicon image ones have been working for me... 3112 and 3114 iirc, on asus mobos |
| 06:38.38 | sprink | yeah. sorry nopalin. not much help. never used compiz before. |
| 06:38.50 | Dewi | liable: and 2.6.8 is the one that comes with sarge, right? |
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| 06:39.16 | Swynndla | Dewi: I think I've learned much more using sid than I would have otherwise |
| 06:39.50 | Dewi | Swynndla: at home I run testing, because I don't have the patience for too many breakages but I still want newish software |
| 06:39.55 | liable | Dewi: yeah, i have an asus atm, but with an adaptec sata card, i want onboard sata so i can add a tv card or two, micro atx case, and i dont think i will fit much more in it without onboard sata :/ |
| 06:39.57 | Dewi | Swynndla: on a server though it'd be stable every time |
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| 06:40.45 | Dewi | liable: mmm. Well, both ASUS boards with onboard SATA I have owned had 3112 and 3114, iirc, which worked on sarge |
| 06:41.03 | Dewi | at least I don't remember doing anything special |
| 06:41.20 | Dewi | and I am booting off SATA |
| 06:41.20 | Swynndla | Dewi: indeed, debian has a reputation of having extremely stable servers. So testing at home maybe a good compromise, I see that. |
| 06:41.30 | liable | Dewi: cool, ta. theres an asrock (asus) with ich5 that looks promising |
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| 06:44.03 | Swynndla | Dewi: so that advantages of sid is, more support of new hardware, latest security updates and fixes, latest multimedia apps, right? |
| 06:44.33 | Dewi | Swynndla: yeah. But it breaks often. |
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| 06:44.50 | Swynndla | so testing is a compromise |
| 06:44.50 | Dewi | Swynndla: it has the least quality control |
| 06:45.00 | sprink | latest security updates, newest security vulnerabilitys. |
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| 06:45.17 | Swynndla | sprink: I never thought of it like that |
| 06:45.43 | Dewi | yeah, testing has a fair bit of quality control, but they allow less critical bugs through and of course many bugs aren't even detected until a package is in testing. |
| 06:47.01 | Swynndla | so if I'm not forced to use sid due to getting some wireless card up and running, and if I don't like my box breaking often, then you'd recommend testing huh? (well I suppose it's obvious that you would) |
| 06:47.35 | sprink | Swynndla. stable is always recommended if it works on your hardware. |
| 06:47.56 | Swynndla | sprink: but then I'd miss out of some of the latest multimedia stuff? |
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| 06:48.20 | sprink | Swynndla. Yes. compromising for stabability and security. |
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| 06:48.39 | Dewi | Swynndla: stable has no non-critical updates since... june 2005 iirc |
| 06:48.50 | Dewi | Swynndla: but there is a new one coming soon |
| 06:49.10 | Swynndla | yea I read that etch might become stable in december |
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| 06:50.08 | psycodad | moin folks |
| 06:50.33 | Swynndla | Dewi: would newish apps would you miss out on if you ran stable at home? |
| 06:52.37 | Dewi | Swynndla: I don't know what apps you are interested in. Debian has many thousands. |
| 06:52.55 | Dewi | Swynndla: you can investigate the package lists of each distro ata packages.debian.org |
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| 06:53.55 | Swynndla | thanks for your help Dewi, sprink |
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| 06:54.58 | masadd | where can i download Opera web browser? |
| 06:55.04 | sprink | opera.com |
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| 06:55.16 | masadd | i meant as a debian package... :D |
| 06:55.31 | sprink | opera.com |
| 06:55.42 | masadd | ok |
| 06:55.45 | sprink | they have debian packages :P |
| 06:56.00 | masadd | i need glasses then... :D |
| 06:56.08 | masadd | looking again... |
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| 06:57.38 | sprink | downloads -> show other version -> linux i386 -> opera 9.01 -> choose debian from drop down menu -> select your branch. |
| 06:58.02 | masadd | thanx |
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| 06:59.03 | shasbot | no opera in apt-get then? (not a debian user, so sorry if that is obvious) |
| 06:59.12 | masadd | no.. |
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| 07:00.01 | sprink | shasbot. licensing is too restrictive. |
| 07:00.20 | shasbot | ah, that makes sense, it is a closed source project |
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| 07:04.59 | masadd | it says that it is the fastest browser on earth...wanted to try... :D |
| 07:06.36 | shasbot | eh, i found it pretty unimpressive last time i used it |
| 07:07.02 | sprink | I like it.. I use it on windows.. If it wasn't qt based on linux I would use it on linux. |
| 07:07.02 | masadd | ? |
| 07:07.26 | Swynndla | Dewi: so if I change my sid sources to testing, and did a dist-upgrade, would I end up with a testing install, or a broken system? |
| 07:07.27 | masadd | what makes it unimpressive? |
| 07:08.12 | shasbot | i don't know, didn't seem faster than any other browser to me |
| 07:08.28 | masadd | oc |
| 07:08.30 | masadd | ic |
| 07:08.41 | sprink | firefox went to hell for a while.. with all the memory leaks and other things. |
| 07:09.01 | shasbot | true, it still has some memory issues |
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| 07:09.13 | shasbot | i have actually been using konquerer a lot lately |
| 07:09.32 | sprink | opera is very good with memory.. but it has some compatability problems with some websites. |
| 07:09.47 | masadd | since firefox is based on mozilla...does that mean mozilla also suffer mem leaks? |
| 07:09.49 | pagey_kayaker_ | I like opera |
| 07:09.49 | sprink | developers dont have opera in mind when they design websites. |
| 07:10.19 | sprink | masadd. no. firefox has a lot of things mozilla doesn't have. |
| 07:10.26 | masadd | ic |
| 07:12.42 | Dewi | Swynndla: it's not designed to downgrade. it wouldn't work very well. |
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| 07:13.22 | Dewi | sprink: FF still has memory leaks, on windows at least. Left my browser open over the weekend and when I came back it was taking 2gb of RAM. |
| 07:13.38 | shasbot | so is it pretty straightforward to recompile the kernel in debian? (getting laptop soon and thinking of try new distro0 |
| 07:13.39 | Swynndla | Dewi: ahhh okay thanks ... so if I decide to install testing, at least my /home is in a separate partition |
| 07:13.54 | sprink | Dewi. yeah I know.. that's why I use opera on windows :P |
| 07:14.02 | wols_ | sysop: if you did that you'd have the exact same sid system. only way to "downgread" is to change to testing and wait until testing "catches" sid package versions. which means today that you'd have to wait until etch is released: etch is frozen afaik |
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| 07:15.00 | Dewi | wols_: when did etch freeze? |
| 07:15.01 | Swynndla | wols_: ahhh okay |
| 07:15.40 | karsten | Dewi: That's not a memory leak, it's a "design feature". |
| 07:16.03 | wols_ | Dewi: I thought in auguest when I rememeber the roadmap correctly |
| 07:16.04 | sprink | karsten. automated browser termination huh? |
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| 07:16.12 | Dewi | karsten: well, it might not have technically leaked... maybe one of the many pages I had open had simply allocated that much RAM with JS |
| 07:16.21 | Dewi | karsten: but the pool should really have a limit on it |
| 07:16.25 | SlayerXP | good morning, octothorpe deviants. |
| 07:16.50 | karsten | Dewi: FF caches *all* pages in memory for rapid reloading. It expands to fill all RAM. Both 'Doze and Linux have the same behavior. |
| 07:16.50 | Dewi | wols_: it's still missing some important stuff. sigh. |
| 07:16.51 | wols_ | Dewi: freeze started 8th august |
| 07:17.01 | karsten | Dewi: You're absolutely right. It's a design bug as far as I'm concerned. |
| 07:17.20 | karsten | Dewi: FF devs have zero interest in fixing it. Pity. |
| 07:17.21 | Dewi | karsten: this was when it was just left for 3 days |
| 07:17.24 | Dewi | karsten: nobody using it |
| 07:17.36 | Dewi | karsten: but maybe one of the pages had an auto refresh? |
| 07:17.46 | sprink | wols_. that sucks |
| 07:17.57 | sprink | that means the 2.6 kernel in etch is going to be 2.6.16? |
| 07:18.04 | karsten | Dewi: Hrm. That smells more like a leak. And very interesting idea. I hit NY Times frequently which is on a 5 minute refresh (sucks rocks). |
| 07:18.07 | sprink | :( |
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| 07:18.15 | karsten | Dewi: If that page is cached for every instance, yeah, it could be a problem. |
| 07:18.29 | liable | sprink: they havent frozen the kernel yet |
| 07:18.30 | Dewi | karsten: it's either that or some kind of javascript garbage collection problem |
| 07:18.37 | karsten | Dewi: And you'll be caching variable content (banners, gifs, etc.) anyhow. |
| 07:18.40 | Dewi | karsten: who knows whether JS actually garbage collects until you leave the page |
| 07:18.46 | sprink | liable. Ah. thank god. |
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| 07:19.16 | Swynndla | I heard that if you open heaps of tabs is firefox, and then close them so you only had one, that the memory won't go back down when you close tabs |
| 07:19.23 | karsten | Dewi: FYI: http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/14/2154224&from=rss |
| 07:19.31 | liable | sprink: you should be able to find a timeframe/toolchain thing somewhere on debian.org |
| 07:19.34 | Dewi | karsten: Mmmm. It obviously depends how inefficient FF is, but I wouldn't expect to do 2gb of memory even if one or two pages were refreshing every 10 mins for 3 days |
| 07:20.02 | Dewi | karsten: I mean, that's only the order of 1000 pages, and I can open hundreds of pages in FF and use 1/10 that much RAM |
| 07:20.28 | Dewi | hmm actually those numbers kind of match up don't they :P |
| 07:20.40 | Dewi | but that's assuming FF doesn't have a 100mb overhead, which it does |
| 07:21.06 | Dewi | anyway, I am inclined to blame some kind of JS that was cycling storage around in some way |
| 07:21.09 | karsten | Dewi: Googleing "firefox memory" returns mosty hits on the leak / cache bug. |
| 07:21.10 | karsten | http://www.google.com/search?q=firefox+memory |
| 07:22.28 | karsten | Dewi: "To improve performance when navigating (studies show that 39% of all page navigations are renavigations to pages visited less than 10 pages ago, usually using the back button), Firefox 1.5 implements a Back-Forward cache that retains the rendered document for the last five session history entries for each tab." |
| 07:22.30 | Trewas | firefox also "leaks" memory in the X process by never releasing images it displays, so after you have viewed enough images X will be huge |
| 07:22.33 | karsten | Dewi: From the /. article |
| 07:22.58 | karsten | Dewi: I use NoScript to restrict javascript to only explicitly allowed sites. |
| 07:23.30 | Dewi | karsten: paranoia or just annoyance reduction? |
| 07:24.01 | karsten | Dewi: FF itself is very much a mixed blessing. It's highly customizeable, which is cool. It lacks default tabs, which sucks, the various plugin structures are useful (good) but many would benefit by closer/tighterintegration. |
| 07:24.01 | karsten | WRT JS: yes. |
| 07:24.09 | karsten | Dewi: I don't run random code if I can help it, and it *massively* reduces the annoyance factor. |
| 07:24.30 | Dewi | in theory you're not "running" the code |
| 07:24.41 | karsten | Dewi: I principally use Konqueror, which is generally saner by default though it's also got idiot stuff going. |
| 07:24.44 | Dewi | but... browsers aren't that secure |
| 07:24.58 | karsten | Dewi: My practice just beat the crap out of your theory ;-) |
| 07:25.28 | waiting | the computer is running the code |
| 07:25.32 | karsten | Dewi: I really should explore a chroot / limited user environment for browser use. Haven't seen a good setup yet. |
| 07:25.33 | waiting | you are running the computer |
| 07:25.36 | waiting | :p |
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| 07:25.57 | karsten | Dewi: My problem with the tab cache is that I frequently have 100+ tabs open. That's 500+ pages. |
| 07:26.08 | karsten | Plus the image issue Trewas mentioned. |
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| 07:26.59 | karsten | Dewi: http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=177439&cid=14721668 |
| 07:27.02 | karsten | Dewi: Possible fix |
| 07:27.14 | Dewi | karsten: my girlfriend uses a session saver and it just grows and grows forever... she has probably 300+ tabs all the time her computer is on. It only has 512mb of RAM too.... very slow :P |
| 07:27.31 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 07:27.40 | karsten | 512 MB here too, PIII 800 |
| 07:27.43 | Dewi | karsten: incidentally, when I found my 2gb Firefox, I attempted to shut it down cleanly |
| 07:27.48 | Dewi | karsten: it hit the disk for 30 minutes |
| 07:27.54 | Dewi | karsten: and then I killed it :P |
| 07:28.02 | karsten | Dewi: The way to shut it down cleanly is ... |
| 07:28.10 | karsten | 'killall -9 firefox-bin' :-) |
| 07:28.10 | Dewi | nuke it from space? |
| 07:28.18 | karsten | Nuke it from orbit. |
| 07:28.22 | karsten | It's the only way to be sure. |
| 07:28.58 | karsten | http://www.moviesoundclips.net/movies1/aliens/orbit.wav |
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| 07:31.52 | DebStartX | hi, i try load my Xwindow i run: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 for configure, when i try ·startx command say me these error: XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server":0.0" after 0 requests (0 know processed) with 0 events remaining..... i too try change the file: /etc/innittab... but not lucky.... any advice? |
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| 07:36.29 | karsten | !set up x |
| 07:36.29 | dpkg | set up x is probably First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 07:36.56 | karsten | DebStartX: Make sure your X config is actually being regenerated. xorg or xf86 / sarge or etch? |
| 07:39.10 | DebStartX | i changed the color depth to 8 and work but is Horrible the screen, i want more color depth.... |
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| 07:39.44 | karsten | DebStartX: Bump it up to at least 16. 24/32 if you can.l |
| 07:39.44 | DebStartX | big mouse pointer... |
| 07:40.23 | karsten | DebStartX: Once you've got a working config, you can tune it. Re-run dpkg--reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:40.40 | karsten | DebStartX: ... your current settings will be defaults, just change the values you want. |
| 07:40.49 | fyrestrtr | nvz: I gave up on installing debian on that laptop -- too much of a headache. Instead, I manage to grab a Dell desktop that I am going to use. HOPEFULLY, things should be okay with hardware as its a very standard setup. |
| 07:41.02 | DebStartX | karsten: rerun the command ? |
| 07:41.11 | DebStartX | or exist a file for change? |
| 07:41.13 | karsten | DebStartX: rerun "dpkg-reconfigure ..." |
| 07:41.30 | karsten | DebStartX: You _can_ manually change the file, but it prevents automated management. |
| 07:41.39 | karsten | DebStartX: I recommend the command method. |
| 07:41.57 | karsten | fyrestrtr: chroot install or HD relocation are good ways to get around balky HW on installation. |
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| 07:44.04 | g333k | Can I install eclipse from the unstable repos? or its better to do it from the source? |
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| 07:44.21 | karsten | g333k: What are you running now? |
| 07:44.28 | g333k | karrot-x, etch |
| 07:44.29 | karsten | g333k: stable / testing / unstable ? |
| 07:44.33 | g333k | karsten, etch |
| 07:44.36 | mrec__ | hey, can someone do me a favour and help me to test skype? |
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| 07:44.41 | karsten | g333k: yes, with pinning. |
| 07:44.51 | DebStartX | karsten: i think my problem are: "Select the desired X server driver" <<----- how know what is the video driver? |
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| 07:44.58 | g333k | karsten, with what? |
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| 07:45.03 | DebStartX | if i choose vga the screen are horrible! |
| 07:45.10 | karsten | !pinning |
| 07:45.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
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| 07:45.24 | karsten | g333k: or '-t' option to aptitude. |
| 07:46.30 | cydork | g333k: i will advice not to mix the packages, try simple sid backport instead |
| 07:47.05 | DebStartX | karsten: my video are: Integrated ATI* Radeon* X300 based graphics |
| 07:47.26 | DebStartX | INTEL MB D101GGC Video/Audio/Red PCI Express Sata DDR400 775 |
| 07:47.33 | fyrestrtr | DebStartX: you want the ati driver, if that's not there, then the vesa should be okay. |
| 07:48.11 | karsten | cydork: Mixing testing/unstable generally works. Mixing between (testing||unstable) && stable is _NOT_ recommended. |
| 07:48.19 | karsten | DebStartX: vesa is heavily unaccelerated. |
| 07:48.47 | wols_ | karsten: afaik an x300 is a radeon |
| 07:48.55 | DebStartX | vesa |
| 07:48.56 | karsten | wols_: DebStartX |
| 07:48.56 | DebStartX | worked |
| 07:49.12 | karsten | DebStartX: It will work. It doesn't provide any of the acceleration features of your card though. |
| 07:49.22 | cydork | karsten: ya it works most of the times but i had some problems in past with that :) |
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| 07:49.47 | karsten | DebStartX: /usr/lib/xscreensaver/gears -fps |
| 07:49.48 | wols_ | DebStartX: try the radeon driver. vesa is really sucky |
| 07:50.01 | karsten | DebStartX: vesa is the safe-but-boring choice, basically. |
| 07:50.21 | karsten | DebStartX: Command above, if you've got xscreensaver w/ glx hacks installed, runs a graphics test mode. |
| 07:50.28 | karsten | Good scores are 100 - 1000+ FPS. |
| 07:50.53 | karsten | I get ~22 FPS w/ my vesa driver on an S3 card. The s3/savage driver crashes. |
| 07:51.15 | wols_ | yay for S3 savage |
| 07:51.46 | DebStartX | i tested s3 and savage and not worked.. |
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| 07:51.56 | DebStartX | before test ati and vesa |
| 07:52.01 | nimb | should I check for bad blocks when formatting (ext2 or fat32)? |
| 07:52.15 | karsten | DebStartX: S3 wouldn't work for you. ati should. |
| 07:52.23 | karsten | nimb: Not necessarially. |
| 07:52.28 | karsten | nimb: Only if you care about your data ;-) |
| 07:52.54 | karsten | nimb: I generally don't, but I run smartmontools. Which in theory should provide advance warning of disk usues. |
| 07:52.57 | karsten | isues. |
| 07:53.14 | fyrestrtr | karsten: in this situation, the problem was the network card module was not available in 3.1 netinstall CD (and since this is a laptop, can't really swap out hardware). Anyway, I told one of the techs to just install Windows on it, and instead I'll use a Dell desktop which should be better supported as far as hardware. |
| 07:53.14 | karsten | issues. Yes. I've definitely got typing issues. |
| 07:53.28 | DebStartX | ok, later i download radean video drivers.... |
| 07:53.51 | karsten | fyrestrtr: LT HW is *highly* modular. There are 2.5 => 3.25 drive converters for LT => DT/tower conversions. |
| 07:54.09 | karsten | fyrestrtr: That said, yes, installs can be a pita. |
| 07:54.33 | DebStartX | i installed kde, and not like me, now installed gnome (apt-get install gnomw) how configure the the environment grpahic, i want gnome |
| 07:54.46 | fyrestrtr | karsten: yeah, but I really didn't want to tear it up just to install Debian. I have an abundance of machines, so I just got the easy route. Had that laptop been my only machine -- then yeah, I would have :) |
| 07:55.01 | DebStartX | (apt-get install gnome) |
| 07:55.21 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Not saying you've got to do this, but there are a _lot_ of ways around otherwise balky installs. |
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| 07:56.02 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Note that serial, parallel, and USB can be used for networking, as well as other NICs (borrow a PCMCIA / other mini format NIC), etc. |
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| 07:56.28 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Perhaps not first-choice methods, and I strongly recommend use of supported HW, but possible. |
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| 07:56.40 | karsten | fyrestrtr: What was the NIC in question BTW? Would like to avoid. |
| 07:57.04 | wols_ | DebStartX: install gdm. it allows you to choose which environment to start |
| 07:57.21 | wols_ | DebStartX: another way is probably /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager |
| 07:57.23 | fyrestrtr | it uses the sky2 module -- which wasn't available (forgot the exact model number, sorry) |
| 07:57.36 | g333k | is there a way to have dpkg locally? I mean to execute it from my console |
| 07:57.57 | wols_ | g333k: of course. "dpkg"Enter |
| 07:58.03 | wols_ | voila, you just executed dpkg |
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| 07:58.10 | karsten | g333k: Um. 'dpkg <foo>' |
| 07:58.18 | karsten | g333k: man dpkg |
| 07:58.21 | DebStartX | wols_: thanks |
| 07:58.24 | karsten | g333k: And WTF do you mean? |
| 07:58.33 | g333k | karsten, the bot |
| 07:58.37 | wols_ | DebStartX: for instaling removing and stuff you will neeed to be root |
| 07:58.41 | cydork | g333k: yes you can :) |
| 07:58.43 | g333k | karsten, I want to get the factoids locally |
| 07:58.58 | DebStartX | other question: how know if iptables are running? i want share internet with squid.... |
| 07:59.08 | wols_ | DebStartX: iptables -L |
| 07:59.13 | g333k | DebStartX, iptables -Ln |
| 07:59.40 | g333k | cydork, How? |
| 08:00.27 | cydork | g333k: all you have to do is get the database, and then write a wrapper script. |
| 08:00.46 | cydork | g333k: wait i will pm you my console bot :P |
| 08:00.55 | g333k | cydork, ok |
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| 08:01.02 | cydork | the typical person. or Linux distro flamewars, BSD-vs-Linux flamewars, and anything with "vs" and "flame" and "war" in it, unless it's Vietnam. Wich would fall into the "plain braindead" category, or the opposite of smart, or alias rm='rm -rf /', or well, stupid is as stupid does. http://www.ecotopia.com/webpress/stupidity/ |
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| 08:01.11 | cydork | hehe |
| 08:01.22 | cydork | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:04.12 | fyrestrtr | karsten: Yukon Marvel 88E8053 |
| 08:04.22 | karsten | g333k: |
| 08:04.46 | karsten | g333k: Ah, *that* dpkg. |
| 08:04.51 | g333k | karsten, yeah |
| 08:04.51 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Danke. |
| 08:05.17 | karsten | g333k: There's a web-queryable interface where you can get the factoid DB, I think. dondelelcaro runs the bot. |
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| 08:06.11 | karsten | g333k: I forget precisely how to do that. blootbot, so RTFM on that. |
| 08:06.18 | karsten | !useless factoids |
| 08:06.19 | dpkg | Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a kurumin user |
| 08:07.52 | fyrestrtr | !kurumin |
| 08:07.53 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 08:08.02 | fyrestrtr | oh |
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| 08:09.18 | DebStartX | apt-get install webmin wont work why? |
| 08:09.33 | karsten | DebStartX: What's it tell you? |
| 08:09.38 | karsten | Tell DebStartX about doesn't work |
| 08:09.43 | karsten | !tell DebStartX about doesn't work |
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| 08:10.31 | DebStartX | E couldnt find package webmin |
| 08:10.53 | karsten | !tell DebStartX about search |
| 08:11.40 | SlayerXP | DebStartX: webmin is deprecated in debian, you are almost certainly making a mistake by installing it. |
| 08:11.50 | karsten | DebStartX: What distro / release? I show webmin exists. Possibly webmin-ssl in sarge |
| 08:12.00 | DebStartX | apt-get search webmin? |
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| 08:12.11 | naranha | why is webmin deprecated? |
| 08:12.12 | karsten | DebStartX: Yeah, I'm strongly tempted to say "feature" WRT not being able to install it. |
| 08:12.14 | cydork | SlayerXP: it's in sarge but not in etch . |
| 08:12.23 | karsten | naranha: It sucks rocks and craps all over your system. |
| 08:12.44 | cydork | !why webmin is not in etch |
| 08:12.44 | dpkg | cydork: what are you talking about? |
| 08:12.56 | SlayerXP | naranha: you shouldn't need a web interface to configure a server |
| 08:13.02 | cydork | wht was the keyword again |
| 08:13.10 | karsten | cydork: excuses? |
| 08:13.11 | SlayerXP | if you _do_ need a web interface to configure a server, you shouldn't be attempting to do so. |
| 08:13.22 | naranha | i know, but it really made live easier, especially the iptables configuration |
| 08:13.23 | DebStartX | SlayerXP: wich other package for replace webmin recommend me? |
| 08:13.32 | fyrestrtr | naranha: for iptables, use shorewall |
| 08:13.52 | zaarg | !webmin |
| 08:13.53 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 08:13.58 | cydork | naranha: basically webmin is not secure. |
| 08:14.10 | SlayerXP | DebStartX: none. I recommend learning how to use a text editor. |
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| 08:14.23 | zaarg | there's the mailing list link |
| 08:14.44 | naranha | ok |
| 08:14.57 | fyrestrtr | can anyone tell me, what is the main difference between debian and it derivatives? packages available? versions? etc? Other than the apt system, I mean, linux is linux right? Each distro has its own packaging system; all debian derivates use apt. So what's unique about debian itself? |
| 08:14.59 | karsten | SlayerXP: That said, got a good iptables interface / mgt tool? That *is* a hairball. |
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| 08:15.13 | karsten | !why debian |
| 08:15.13 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 08:15.18 | SlayerXP | karsten: bash works for me |
| 08:15.41 | karsten | SlayerXP: it's not for everybody. Again: got any _other_ sugestions? |
| 08:15.45 | fyrestrtr | ah thanks karsten |
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| 08:16.26 | SlayerXP | karsten: hire a consultant to do it for you. |
| 08:16.34 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Also my own incomplete http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/linux-new.html |
| 08:16.34 | cydork | naranha: there are some stupid fronends like firestarter, gaurddog |
| 08:16.42 | fyrestrtr | snowcrash link doesn't work (server not found) |
| 08:16.46 | karsten | SlayerXP: Remind me not to ask for useful input from you.l |
| 08:16.52 | SlayerXP | *shrug* |
| 08:17.14 | SlayerXP | i guess I'm asking too much that people should _understand_ what they're doing. |
| 08:17.21 | cydork | fyrestrtr: the great thing about debian is debian policy |
| 08:17.34 | SlayerXP | "I clicked on the GUI and my fDebian firewall doesn't work!! HELP!!!" |
| 08:17.45 | karsten | fyrestrtr: mason, shorewall, firebiulder (IIRC), fiaif, guarddog (KDE util), ipkungfu, kmyfirewall. apt-cache search iptables. |
| 08:18.02 | fyrestrtr | karsten: think you mean that for someone else :) |
| 08:18.10 | cydork | fyrestrtr: check vihang@matrix:~/public_html$ borg your factoids My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 08:18.17 | cydork | damn |
| 08:18.23 | cydork | fyrestrtr: vihang@matrix:~/public_html$ borg your factoids My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
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| 08:18.37 | cydork | can someone smack me. |
| 08:18.40 | cydork | :) |
| 08:18.49 | fyrestrtr | your welcome :) |
| 08:18.51 | DebStartX | hi i downloaded a webmin.deb how install it? |
| 08:18.54 | cydork | fyrestrtr: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
| 08:18.56 | jfletcher | I have a .iso file. how do I get the data from this file? mount it? or is there a program like daemontools |
| 08:19.20 | fyrestrtr | jfletcher: mount -t iso9660 -o loop foo.iso /some/where |
| 08:19.53 | jfletcher | thanks. |
| 08:20.09 | SlayerXP | karsten: the prosecution rests its case, yeronner. |
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| 08:22.22 | DebStartX | SlayerXP: any advice for me? |
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| 08:22.58 | digits | How do i enable MySQL for PHP4-cgi? when i apt-get install php4-cgi it comes without support for mysql |
| 08:23.05 | digits | (i have php4-myqsl installed) |
| 08:23.12 | SlayerXP | DebStartX: yes, but you'll ignore it, so what would be the point? |
| 08:24.06 | karsten | DebStartX: ^^ wrt fyrestrtr |
| 08:24.30 | DebStartX | hi i downloaded a webmin.deb how install it? |
| 08:24.43 | karsten | DebStartX: Don't. |
| 08:24.45 | DebStartX | ok |
| 08:24.48 | infernixx | DebStartX, you're better off installing webmin from source, if at all. |
| 08:25.11 | man_in_shack | hmm |
| 08:25.14 | wols_ | digits: apt-cache search php4 |grep mysql |
| 08:25.21 | infernixx | digits: edit /etc/php4/cgi/php.ini, iirc |
| 08:25.32 | DebStartX | thanks all i go sleep smack to karsten, SlayerXP , infernix, wols_ |
| 08:25.33 | man_in_shack | time to configure x, but i don't really know what resolutions the screen supports |
| 08:25.45 | infernixx | man_in_shack, ask google |
| 08:25.50 | wols_ | man_in_shack: LCD or CRT? |
| 08:25.56 | wols_ | and how big? |
| 08:26.12 | man_in_shack | 15" lcd wxga laptop |
| 08:26.15 | karsten | man_in_shack: What model? |
| 08:26.22 | man_in_shack | benq r55 |
| 08:26.28 | karsten | !tell man_in_shack about setup x |
| 08:26.30 | wols_ | if your laptop uses an intel chipset, you might need 915resolution btw |
| 08:26.41 | man_in_shack | nvidia geforce go 7400 |
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| 08:26.48 | wols_ | lucky you :) |
| 08:26.52 | man_in_shack | no |
| 08:27.00 | man_in_shack | i specifically chose it for the graphics card 8) |
| 08:27.36 | sprink | man_in_shack. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_XGA |
| 08:27.36 | man_in_shack | ty sprink |
| 08:28.58 | man_in_shack | according to one store it's 16:10 resolution |
| 08:29.05 | man_in_shack | and supports up to 1200x800 |
| 08:29.20 | man_in_shack | *1280x800 |
| 08:29.23 | jfletcher | fyrestrtr: I accidently mounted that .iso to /home/jfletcher/ and forgot the scribe another directory, how do Irecover this? |
| 08:29.38 | fyrestrtr | guys, other than searching the online package archives, is there a list available of what versions of software comes with testing and unstable? |
| 08:30.15 | karsten | fyrestrtr: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 08:30.21 | fyrestrtr | jfletcher: ermm .... I think umount /home/jfletcher/ should do it -- I've never actually been in a situation like that. |
| 08:30.33 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Given that there's upwards of 22,000 packages (testing/unstable), it's a long list. |
| 08:30.35 | jfletcher | niether have I xD |
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| 08:31.04 | fyrestrtr | karsten: firefox search > * :) |
| 08:31.08 | digits | wols_ , infernixx: i have, but it's of no use when phpinfo sais '--without-mysql' |
| 08:31.13 | ttl | greetings |
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| 08:31.20 | sprink | fyrestrtr. you could use aptitude :P |
| 08:31.57 | infernixx | digits: i kind of sincerely doubt that php4-cgi is compiled without mysql support |
| 08:32.06 | infernixx | digits, dpkg -s php4-cgi |
| 08:32.10 | infernixx | what version? |
| 08:32.33 | ttl | i'm using etch and have a problem with dist-upgrade, i can't start X anymore so can't copy paste the error but i'll retype it |
| 08:32.38 | pagey_kayaker | My cpu tops 100% when the screensaver starts |
| 08:32.41 | karsten | fyrestrtr: what are you trying to do? |
| 08:32.48 | fyrestrtr | sprink: I'm not on a current debian system. |
| 08:33.05 | fyrestrtr | karsten: I'm trying to find out if Evolution 2.8 is available, seems its not there even in unstable. |
| 08:33.25 | karsten | fyrestrtr: packages.debian.org |
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| 08:33.43 | fyrestrtr | karsten: I have a very well supported machine and I would like to try debian on it, but I want to make sure that some things that I need for work will be there. |
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| 08:34.22 | digits | infernixx: php4, dpkg -s sais that there's a php4-cgi-mysql, but its obsoleted |
| 08:34.36 | ttl | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mesa-common-dev_6.4.2-1_all.deb |
| 08:34.49 | infernixx | digits, that's no answer to my question. what version of php4-cgi is installed? |
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| 08:35.28 | fyrestrtr | karsten: I'm there searching right now, and its not available for debian. |
| 08:35.29 | mackss | could someone remind me how to stop/start courier please? |
| 08:35.41 | sprink | fyrestrtr. evolution 2.6.3-1 is the latest version officially supported by debian |
| 08:35.44 | wols_ | man_in_shack: /etc/init.d/courier-something |
| 08:35.49 | wols_ | mackss: |
| 08:36.01 | ttl | trying to overwrite '/usr/include/GL/omesa.h', which is also in package xlibosmesa-dev |
| 08:36.01 | digits | infernixx: 4:4.3.10-16 |
| 08:36.08 | fyrestrtr | sprink: I don't mind if its not supported, just that its available. |
| 08:36.08 | karsten | fyrestrtr: then that's your answer |
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| 08:36.27 | karsten | ttl: You're installing third-party packages or you've found a bug. |
| 08:36.34 | sprink | fyrestrtr. if it's open source it's available. download the source code from the developers website and compile it. |
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| 08:37.02 | karsten | ttl: ... or you're mixing rleases/ |
| 08:37.55 | sprink | *if* you want 2.6.8 |
| 08:38.03 | ttl | karsten: no mixing |
| 08:38.05 | sprink | or.. 2.8* |
| 08:38.21 | ttl | karsten: this box has been etch from the beginning |
| 08:38.42 | digits | infernixx: http://fetserver.se/info.php |
| 08:38.46 | ttl | karsten: there is only etc sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:38.55 | ttl | etch* |
| 08:39.09 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Note that because of the deep, twisted, and comploex dependencies within GNOME, 1) mixing GNOME releases isn't recommended (you'll hose stuff) and Debian tends to take a while to get stuff packaged and released, even in unstable. |
| 08:39.17 | karsten | ttl: OK. Then it's a packaging bug. |
| 08:39.21 | ttl | karsten: main contrib non-free |
| 08:39.40 | karsten | ttl: ... what package is it conflicting with? Is that _also_ Debian or is it 3rd party? |
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| 08:40.19 | infernixx | digits, well. i'm actually wrong, php4-cgi does get compiled without mysql support. |
| 08:40.32 | kalidor | ne me kicker pas c'?tait une erreur je vous en prie |
| 08:40.42 | fyrestrtr | karsten: yeah, I understand. I'll stick with what I have now till then. |
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| 08:41.24 | digits | infernixx: i have to resort to compiling myself then... |
| 08:41.41 | infernixx | digits, best way to handle that is to: 1) add a deb-src line to sources.list, 2) cd /usr/src 3) apt-get build-dep php4-cgi; apt-get source php4-cgi; 4) edit php4-4.3.10/debian/rules and change the --without-mysql parameter in the cgi section |
| 08:41.55 | infernixx | digits, then 5) cd php5-4.3.10; dpkg-buildpackage -b |
| 08:42.27 | pjesi_ | in base-config, I have trouble with the network, is it not possible to hit ctrl-c to get rid of the timeout |
| 08:42.42 | ttl | karsten: can i /msg you the output of apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 08:42.55 | infernixx | digits, also, to make things easier on yourself, you can change debian/changelog and change 4.3.10-16 into 4.3.10-16.mysqlcgi1 or something similar |
| 08:43.00 | ttl | karsten: i can't start x anymore atm |
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| 08:43.10 | infernixx | digits: another option might be using php4 from www.dotdeb.org |
| 08:43.26 | karsten | !tell ttl about paster |
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| 08:43.55 | karsten | ttl: Might want to unselect DRI in your X config. |
| 08:44.03 | karsten | ttl: I think that's what mesagl provides. |
| 08:44.08 | pjesi_ | init.d/networking restart is dead |
| 08:44.37 | karsten | pjesi_: Dead how? |
| 08:44.57 | wols_ | karsten: it's pining for the fjords? |
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| 08:45.13 | pjesi_ | it hangs |
| 08:45.23 | pjesi_ | ping -c1 also hangs |
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| 08:46.16 | pjesi_ | very limited network connection on the computer, but it does receive dhcp address |
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| 08:47.04 | karsten | wols_: Right. |
| 08:47.15 | karsten | !tell pjesi_ about smart questions. |
| 08:47.17 | ttl- | karsten: i can't paste because i can't start X |
| 08:47.19 | karsten | pjesi_: No output? |
| 08:47.24 | karsten | ttl-: Got net? |
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| 08:47.34 | karsten | ttl-: aptitude install w3m |
| 08:47.46 | cydork | ttl-: or install gpm |
| 08:47.49 | karsten | ttl-: ... and learn to love 'screen' if you haven't already. |
| 08:47.51 | ttl- | karsten: yes i have inet |
| 08:47.58 | ttl- | karsten: what is w3m ? |
| 08:47.58 | karsten | cydork: no need for that. Redirect to file. |
| 08:47.59 | pjesi_ | karsten: no output, it the network worked fine on previous OS |
| 08:48.03 | karsten | !tell ttl- about search |
| 08:48.06 | kristalino | did any of you tried to install debian on vmware ? |
| 08:48.08 | digits | infernixx: okay |
| 08:48.35 | karsten | pjesi_: What happens if you ifup/ifdown an interface? What's in /etc/network/interfaces? What was previous OS? What's your NIC? What network modules are loaded? |
| 08:48.43 | psycodad | kristalino: works like a charm |
| 08:49.05 | kristalino | psycodad, :( network problem here... |
| 08:49.13 | cydork | karsten: heheh but still he can a copy line or two then |
| 08:49.16 | psycodad | what vmware ? |
| 08:49.26 | kristalino | psycodad, player |
| 08:49.27 | karsten | kristalino: I've done it in the past. |
| 08:49.47 | karsten | ttl-: w3m == very good text-mode browser. Form edit is (or can readily be) vim. |
| 08:50.01 | karsten | ttl-: So you can readily post any file content to an online form such as paster. |
| 08:50.06 | psycodad | never used the player yet, but it works perfect in vmware server on win and linux |
| 08:50.38 | karsten | kristalino: Are you having any specific issue or are you just polling generally? If the latter, Just Install It. |
| 08:50.42 | kristalino | karsten, psycodad do you know how to access to console inside vmware, inside the debian-installer (businesscard iso)? (The old ctrl-Fx key doesn't work of course) |
| 08:51.00 | kristalino | karsten, :( network problem here... |
| 08:51.11 | karsten | kristalino: It should work. You may have to disable your windowmanager's binding of those keys within that ap. |
| 08:51.42 | karsten | kristalino: IIRC there's an additional key combo, read the docs. Should be prominantly mentioned. |
| 08:51.51 | karsten | kristalino: ... or 'chvt' if you've got a shell and root. |
| 08:51.51 | kristalino | s/ctrl-fx/ctrl-alt-Fx |
| 08:51.52 | ttl- | karsten: i can't install w3m gives same error |
| 08:52.04 | karsten | ttl-: What's the error? |
| 08:52.35 | karsten | pjesi_: Care to answer any of those questions or do you not need help anymore? |
| 08:53.31 | ttl- | karsten: sorry was a lot of output but it says in the beginning that w3m is allready installed |
| 08:53.45 | ttl- | karsten: gonna give it a try |
| 08:54.11 | karsten | ttl-: Well, then, duh. |
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| 08:56.36 | ttl- | karsten: i must first find out how to use w3m |
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| 08:56.40 | karsten | kristalino: http://www.vmware.com/support/ws3/doc/ws32_guestos27.html |
| 08:56.50 | karsten | kristalino: ctrl-alt spacebar F<n> |
| 08:56.52 | e-type | hi all |
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| 08:56.57 | karsten | ttl-: w3m <url> |
| 08:57.01 | karsten | ttl-: '?' == help |
| 08:57.08 | karsten | ttl-: 'o' == options. |
| 08:57.14 | karsten | ttl-: vim navigation keys. |
| 08:57.43 | karsten | ttl-: '/' == search. |
| 08:57.48 | kristalino | karsten, thanks! |
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| 08:58.17 | cydork | !tell karsten about fishing |
| 08:58.18 | cydork | :) |
| 08:58.56 | karsten | ttl-: 'o/^Editor<enter><tab>vi<enter>/OK<enter><enter> |
| 08:59.06 | karsten | ttl-: ... will get you set up with vi as your form editor. |
| 08:59.56 | karsten | ttl-: w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste Arrow down to the large form. Hit <enter> and you're in vi. Edit, ':wq' to save, arrow down to 'submit'. Post the URL here. |
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| 09:00.11 | karsten | cydork: ?? |
| 09:00.36 | karsten | cydork: Got it. |
| 09:00.55 | cydork | karsten: :) |
| 09:01.20 | cydork | ttl-: use nano if you are not familiar with vi |
| 09:01.37 | cydork | karsten: now that is something i am willing to learn |
| 09:01.47 | karsten | cydork: Teach a man to hold his breath underwater for a minute, and you've got 60 seconds of peace. Teach him to do it for ten minutes, and you've got a lifetime of liberty. |
| 09:02.23 | karsten | cydork: *First* you cable the cinderblock to your leg.... |
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| 09:02.44 | cydork | karsten: na i dont trust you :P |
| 09:03.07 | pjesi_ | karsten: sorry I was in the phone |
| 09:03.18 | pjesi_ | ifup recieves an ip address |
| 09:03.33 | pjesi_ | then it hangs on eth0 NIC Link is Up 100Mbps Full duplex |
| 09:03.43 | pjesi_ | in /etc/network/interfaces is dhcp |
| 09:03.53 | pjesi_ | previous OS was gentoo |
| 09:04.10 | karsten | pjesi_: Where's your DHCP server? Can you monitor its logs? |
| 09:04.19 | pjesi_ | NIC: intel 82891bd proo/100 |
| 09:04.23 | karsten | pjesi_: eth0? |
| 09:04.29 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 09:04.38 | pjesi_ | karsten: yes eth0 |
| 09:04.39 | karsten | pjesi_: Is e100 loaded? |
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| 09:04.53 | pjesi_ | e100 is |
| 09:04.54 | pjesi_ | loaded |
| 09:05.05 | pjesi_ | the dhcp server is at the ISP |
| 09:05.19 | karsten | pjesi_: Um. No cable modem/router? |
| 09:05.36 | karsten | pjesi_: ifdown eth0; ifconfig eth0 down; dhclient eth0 |
| 09:05.46 | ttl- | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3703 |
| 09:05.48 | karsten | pjesi_: If you don't have dhcp3-client installed, install it. |
| 09:06.12 | karsten | ttl-: What's line four of that say? |
| 09:06.27 | karsten | ttl-: Erm. Line three. |
| 09:06.53 | pjesi_ | karsten: ifdown eth0; ifconfig eth0 down; dhclient eth0 |
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| 09:06.58 | pjesi_ | seems to work |
| 09:07.06 | karsten | pjesi_: OK. |
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| 09:07.24 | pjesi_ | thanks |
| 09:07.30 | karsten | pjesi_: 'ifconfig eth0' Got a configuration? 'host google.com' Got an IP for that? 'ping www.google.com' Results? |
| 09:07.37 | karsten | ttl-: ? |
| 09:07.42 | ttl- | karsten: i tried 'apt-get -f install' |
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| 09:07.47 | karsten | ttl-: And? |
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| 09:08.08 | ttl- | karsten: i paste output |
| 09:08.17 | pjesi_ | karsten: ping google.com works fine now thanks |
| 09:08.33 | speedy | how can I have my mail server (A) to queue and forward emails for mail server (B)? |
| 09:08.40 | yang | zo get java enabled in mozilla, what must i install? |
| 09:08.45 | karsten | pjesi_: OK. Try downing the interface and bringing it back up. |
| 09:08.48 | karsten | !tell yang about java |
| 09:08.49 | karsten | pjesi_: |
| 09:09.03 | karsten | pjesi_: ... paste /etc/network/interfaces. /msg dpkg paster |
| 09:09.27 | yang | there is no info for mozilla |
| 09:10.25 | karsten | yang: Read the factoid. |
| 09:10.32 | pjesi_ | karsten: will do once the apt-get install finishes |
| 09:10.50 | karsten | pjesi_: Learn to love screen. YOu can do two things at once. |
| 09:10.58 | karsten | !tell pjesi_ about screen |
| 09:11.07 | karsten | !tell yang about install java |
| 09:11.08 | digits | infernixx: thanks a bunch :) now it's a-ok |
| 09:11.16 | infernixx | digits, np:) |
| 09:13.13 | yang | karsten: or maybe this ? mozilla-js-debugger - JavaScript debugger for use with Mozilla |
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| 09:14.10 | karsten | yang: What release? sarge or etch? |
| 09:14.12 | digits | while i'm at it, i think my install is using alot of memory, is there a way to find out how much is used by what in totals? ie. not by each process, but more like the sum of lets say all saslauthd processes... |
| 09:14.27 | karsten | digits: ps waux; free; top |
| 09:14.28 | yang | karsten: etch |
| 09:14.31 | karsten | yang: apt-cache search java | grep ^java |
| 09:14.43 | karsten | yang: You'll find a plugin package. Install it. |
| 09:14.47 | cydork | yang: /msg dpkg mozilla-java |
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| 09:15.48 | digits | karsten: thanks |
| 09:15.50 | karsten | cydork: java-gcj-compat-plugin ? |
| 09:16.40 | cydork | karsten: nope. |
| 09:16.46 | karsten | digits: Mind: 'free' will report most of your memory used. That's the 'cached/buffered' value. Look at -/+ buffers/cache to see the actual utilization. Linux aggressively caches any disk reads to minimize IO. |
| 09:16.51 | karsten | cydork: Howso? |
| 09:17.25 | cydork | karsten: how what? |
| 09:17.31 | yang | java-gcj-compat-plugin is not in etch |
| 09:17.39 | karsten | cydork: howso "nope"? |
| 09:17.57 | ttl- | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3704 |
| 09:18.08 | ttl- | karsten: sorry for the delay |
| 09:18.20 | cydork | !tell karsten about mozilla-java |
| 09:18.41 | karsten | cydork: Yeah, I looked at that. |
| 09:19.08 | karsten | cydork: My first suggestion was going to be to hit the Mozilla/Firefox project page and d/l its suggested Java plugino. |
| 09:19.29 | karsten | ttl-: Do you need xlibosmesa-dev installed? |
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| 09:19.32 | mateuszk | Hi |
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| 09:19.48 | mateuszk | How to set scim under debian in order to be able to write in hiragana ? |
| 09:20.00 | ttl- | karsten: i don't think so |
| 09:20.06 | karsten | ttl-: That appears to be conflicting with mesa-common-dev |
| 09:20.27 | cydork | karsten: java-gcj-compat-plugin is in unstable i guess. and mozilla/firefox cant provide there own plugin |
| 09:20.42 | karsten | ttl-: Run and paste: dpkg -L xlibosmesa-dev; dpkg -L /var/cache/apt/archives/esa-common-dev_6.4.2-1_all.deb |
| 09:21.15 | karsten | cydork: OK. I don't actually have browser Java support. |
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| 09:22.01 | yang | I installed java-package and java-gcj-compat and i dont have a directory in /usr/local/java* |
| 09:22.25 | karsten | yang: It would be in /usr/ not /usr/local/ |
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| 09:23.25 | karsten | ttl-: stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 09:24.06 | cydork | yang: so you created a deb and a installed it? |
| 09:24.16 | yang | no, what .deb? |
| 09:24.54 | cydork | !java-package |
| 09:24.54 | dpkg | java-package is, like, a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 09:25.00 | cydork | yang: ^^ |
| 09:25.26 | yang | bah |
| 09:25.45 | yang | sometimes debian really complicates stuff |
| 09:26.03 | cydork | yang: it's very easy to maintain debs. |
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| 09:26.27 | cydork | yang: than to mess up your os with stupid binaries :) |
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| 09:27.49 | karsten | ttl-: What version of xlibosmesa-dev do you have installed? 'dpkg -l xlibosmesa-dev' |
| 09:28.15 | yang | cydork: i built it allready in the previous version of mozilla , but with apt-get upgrade mozilla updates and looses plugins |
| 09:28.44 | ttl- | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3705 |
| 09:28.46 | karsten | ttl-: ... and what's your CPU arch? i386, ia64, ? |
| 09:28.55 | ttl- | karsten: i386 |
| 09:29.01 | ttl- | karsten: PIII |
| 09:29.28 | karsten | ttl-: OK, sec. |
| 09:29.57 | pjesi_ | karsten: I know about screen and the the ALT+Fx terminals, just trying to do other things at the same time :) |
| 09:29.59 | karsten | ttl-: See the bottom of that. 'dpkg --contents <packagefile>' will list contents. |
| 09:30.04 | karsten | pjesi_: OK. |
| 09:31.57 | karsten | ttl-: This is a packaging bug. |
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| 09:34.12 | sprink_ | yes! |
| 09:34.20 | sprink_ | finally.. debian working on my new laptop :) |
| 09:34.35 | sprink_ | (which has a sata dvd drive) |
| 09:34.52 | citral | congrats |
| 09:34.57 | tarzeau | can someone help me identify/provide me the font used on this screenshot? (the one red/yellow in uae) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/guitarman/wildcopper2.jpg |
| 09:35.14 | sprink_ | thanks :P |
| 09:35.15 | ttl- | karsten: karsten dpkg --contents xlibosmesa-dev says failed to read archive |
| 09:35.35 | sprink_ | sata isn't enabled in the kernel by default (for cd/dvd roms) |
| 09:36.24 | ttl- | karsten: should i remove it ? |
| 09:37.26 | cydork | !info xlibosmesa-dev etch |
| 09:37.35 | ttl- | karsten: sorry i missed some |
| 09:37.44 | ttl- | karsten: i'm using etch |
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| 09:38.03 | karsten | ttl-: I'm filing a bug. |
| 09:38.12 | cydork | ttl-: that does not exist in etch, are you using sarge or etch? |
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| 09:38.32 | karsten | cydork: What doesn't exist? xlibosmesa-dev? |
| 09:38.58 | cydork | karsten: yep it's not in etch i just checked. |
| 09:39.07 | karsten | cydork: Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 |
| 09:39.09 | ttl- | karsten: it's 6.9.0 |
| 09:39.16 | karsten | cydork: ... from package selection. |
| 09:39.31 | karsten | ttl-: What? |
| 09:39.39 | karsten | ttl-: What's 6.9.0? |
| 09:40.27 | ttl- | karsten: the output of 'dpkg -l xlibosmesa-dev' gives me that |
| 09:40.41 | karsten | ttl-: You have to specify the full filename. Eg: mesa-common-dev_6.4.2-1_all.deb |
| 09:40.56 | karsten | ttl-: ... with leading path if you're not in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 09:40.56 | cydork | !info xlibosmesa-dev sarge |
| 09:41.09 | dpkg | xlibosmesa-dev: (Mesa off-screen rendering library development files [XFree86]), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 771 kB, Installed size: 2168 kB |
| 09:41.09 | ttl- | xlibosmesa-dev 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 |
| 09:41.13 | karsten | !info mesa-common-dev |
| 09:41.21 | dpkg | mesa-common-dev: (Developer documentation for Mesa), section devel, is optional. Version: 6.4.2-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 160 kB, Installed size: 768 kB |
| 09:41.28 | karsten | ttl-: Soundsl like you've got a mixed stable/testing system. |
| 09:41.39 | karsten | ttl-: Try remove/purge xlibosmesa-dev |
| 09:41.48 | ttl- | ok |
| 09:41.59 | ttl- | karsten: i'll try |
| 09:42.01 | infernixx | ttl-, if you're using etch, it shouldnt be 6.9.0 |
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| 09:42.31 | karsten | infernixx: More to the point, 6.9.0 would be about 5 revs ahead of etch. |
| 09:43.45 | infernixx | karsten: <ttl-> xlibosmesa-dev 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 - sounds like an old pre-xorg 7 package to me, tbh |
| 09:44.16 | ttl- | karsten: i cant remove it with 'apt-get -f --purge remove xlibosmesa-dev' |
| 09:44.21 | karsten | infernixx: Ah. So more likely sarge? |
| 09:44.26 | karsten | ttl-: Post output. |
| 09:44.31 | ttl- | ok |
| 09:44.44 | karsten | ttl-: Please post /etc/apt/sources.list as well. |
| 09:44.54 | infernixx | karsten: sarge with xorg from bpo, or a not update/badly updated etch. |
| 09:44.54 | karsten | ttl-: ... and run an apt-get update while you're at it. |
| 09:45.02 | karsten | infernixx: Right. |
| 09:45.12 | karsten | infernixx: Ah. bpo. Yeah, maybe. |
| 09:45.43 | infernixx | karsten, but probably slacking etch updates. i had to purge some 6.9.0 stuff on my home box after transitioning to xorg 7 |
| 09:46.17 | ttl- | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3706 |
| 09:46.57 | infernixx | ttl-, you have some badly messed up stuff there. paste your sources.list. |
| 09:47.52 | infernixx | your current kdelibs depends on a newer version than what is available, but you're transitioning to xorg 7 at the same time. thats pretty unique. |
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| 09:48.30 | ttl- | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3707 |
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| 09:49.21 | ttl- | infernixx: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3707 |
| 09:49.23 | ttl- | sorry |
| 09:49.41 | karsten | ttl-: Odd. |
| 09:49.46 | karsten | ttl-: Run 'apt-get update' |
| 09:49.58 | infernixx | ttl-, you have installed stuff from unstable by hand, or by mistake, that's for sure. your kde is from sid. |
| 09:50.00 | ttl- | karsten: i did like 10 times |
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| 09:50.11 | ttl- | i will do again |
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| 09:51.13 | karsten | !seen jetscreamer |
| 09:51.13 | dpkg | jetscreamer is currently on #debian (6h 38m) #debian-bots (6h 38m). Has said a total of 60 messages. Is idling for 3h 56m 41s, last said: 'http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7/'. |
| 09:51.17 | karsten | jetscreamer: Ping |
| 09:51.22 | ttl- | infernixx: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3708 |
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| 09:51.48 | ttl- | karsten: output of apt-get update |
| 09:52.19 | karsten | ttl-: Try using aptitude. Run the same purge command as with apt-get, but using aptitude. |
| 09:52.35 | ttl- | karsten: ok |
| 09:52.39 | karsten | ttl-: It should offer you one or more solutions. Skip them all the first time, post if you have questions as to which to use. |
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| 09:52.56 | pjesi_ | karsten: the network just seems to be quite unstable on the debian installation |
| 09:52.56 | karsten | ttl-: The first solution frequently works. |
| 09:53.14 | karsten | jetscreamer: If you're alive, what's that dselect one-liner from last night? |
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| 09:53.18 | pjesi_ | perhaps the module |
| 09:53.24 | karsten | pjesi_: e100? |
| 09:53.27 | pjesi_ | yes |
| 09:53.34 | karsten | pjesi_: *Very* stable and dependable driver. |
| 09:53.36 | infernixx | ttl-, the other odd possibility would be that the skynet mirror is old. try ftp.be.debian.org |
| 09:53.49 | karsten | pjesi_: Check physical media and device. Look at your logs. What sorts of issues? |
| 09:53.58 | karsten | infernixx: I was thinking that too. |
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| 09:54.25 | pjesi_ | karsten: it is difficult since I have not yet managed to connect with ssh |
| 09:54.29 | maddisk | hi |
| 09:54.30 | ttl- | karsten: it seems i dont have aptitude |
| 09:54.41 | ttl- | karsten: can't install aptitude |
| 09:54.50 | infernixx | ttl-, "delibs: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.4-3) but 4:3.5.2-2+b1" - 3.5.2-2+b1 is not in etch right now, and if it claims that's what's available, it could be an old mirror. |
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| 09:56.57 | ttl- | karsten & infernixx: changed to ftp.debian.org and running apt-get update |
| 09:57.12 | karsten | !tell ttl- about aptitude |
| 09:57.20 | karsten | ttl-: If you get to the point where you can install it, do. |
| 09:57.32 | ttl- | karsten: ok |
| 09:57.36 | ttl- | i'll try |
| 09:57.39 | pjesi_ | karsten: sshd up, no errors in /var/log/messages |
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| 09:57.53 | pjesi_ | physical device seems normal |
| 09:58.10 | fzn | Hi, is there any special folder established for rpm repository ? |
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| 09:58.39 | karsten | pjesi_: dmesg as well. |
| 09:58.46 | ttl- | karsten: i can't :( |
| 09:58.47 | karsten | fzn: /dev/null ;-) |
| 09:58.57 | karsten | fzn: What are you doing and why does it need RPMs? |
| 09:59.04 | pjesi_ | bahh ssh connection reset |
| 09:59.10 | infernixx | fzn: rpm is redhat. use alien to convert to deb (but its evil). |
| 09:59.34 | karsten | pjesi_: Can you assign a static IP? How's the connection then? |
| 09:59.58 | pjesi_ | karsten: it could not start eth0 with a static IP |
| 10:00.01 | karsten | pjesi_: Also, try running 'mtr' from the box and watching for packet loss, may show you where it's happening. |
| 10:00.11 | karsten | pjesi_: What would happen? That's *very* odd. |
| 10:00.23 | pjesi_ | that is what I thought |
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| 10:01.02 | pjesi_ | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
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| 10:01.07 | pjesi_ | Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 10:01.09 | Hal9000 | where does debian store the "quota" file if i am using quotas? |
| 10:01.25 | infernixx | Hal9000, [partition root]/*quota.* |
| 10:01.31 | karsten | pjesi_: Bad driver / no driver |
| 10:01.37 | infernixx | Hal9000, XFS excluded; it's in the FS for XFS |
| 10:02.06 | Hal9000 | yeah i got ext3 |
| 10:02.12 | karsten | pjesi_: 'lspci | grep Eth' |
| 10:02.26 | Hal9000 | so this is it i guess: aquota.user |
| 10:02.37 | ttl- | karsten: atm it looks i can't install anything |
| 10:02.41 | Hal9000 | how can i tell if this is a quota v2 file or not? |
| 10:03.24 | pjesi_ | 0000:02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82891BD PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 81) |
| 10:03.25 | infernixx | Hal9000, afaik quota.* = v1, aquota.* = v2 |
| 10:03.41 | Hal9000 | shit |
| 10:03.47 | Hal9000 | =) |
| 10:04.06 | karsten | pjesi_: Sure of that? Google has no hits. |
| 10:04.38 | pjesi_ | 82801BD even |
| 10:05.28 | karsten | pjesi_: Is that wired or wireless? |
| 10:05.28 | infernixx | pjesi_, lsmod | grep e100 - is it loaded? |
| 10:05.40 | pjesi_ | wired |
| 10:05.41 | ttl- | so is there a chance to fix this or should i install a new system because i realy need X to be working |
| 10:05.57 | pjesi_ | e100 42868 1 |
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| 10:06.35 | Flusher | hi |
| 10:06.40 | infernixx | pjesi_, can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces file somewhere. i suspect you have set up a gateway outside your network scope. |
| 10:06.46 | Flusher | is there a way to move from etch to sarge with apt-get ? |
| 10:06.56 | infernixx | Flusher, no. downgrades are not supported. |
| 10:07.04 | Flusher | ok, thank you |
| 10:07.18 | karsten | infernixx: That wouldn't explain intermittent functionality. |
| 10:07.32 | karsten | infernixx: or the SIOCADDR error. |
| 10:07.47 | pjesi_ | infernixx: I cant enstablish ssh connection, but I could write it manually |
| 10:07.56 | infernixx | karsten, SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable - isnt that exactly what you get when you do a 'routea add default gw some.ip.address.outofrange' |
| 10:08.02 | karsten | pjesi_: ... or transfer to removeable media. |
| 10:08.29 | karsten | infernixx: Feh. |
| 10:08.30 | karsten | !beer infernixx |
| 10:08.35 | karsten | infernixx: Yes. |
| 10:08.46 | karsten | pjesi_: Bad routing. 'route -n' and confirm gateway. |
| 10:08.59 | infernixx | :) |
| 10:09.01 | karsten | pjesi_: If you're dhcping, sounds like your server config is borked or you have a stale GW config elsewhere. |
| 10:09.25 | karsten | http://www.beowulf.org/pipermail/realtek/2000-February/000392.html |
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| 10:09.51 | pjesi_ | I have stable config on the gentoo server |
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| 10:10.01 | Flusher | I am looking for an etch packaging environment. Would anyone have that please ? |
| 10:10.07 | karsten | pjesi_: Then check your routing table on the Debian box. |
| 10:10.13 | karsten | Flusher: ?? |
| 10:10.15 | infernixx | Flusher, a what? |
| 10:10.19 | karsten | Flusher: apt |
| 10:10.22 | Flusher | sorry for my english |
| 10:10.36 | infernixx | Flusher, rephrase please :) |
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| 10:10.59 | Flusher | I mean : I need to "convert" a sarge-based package to an etch-based package |
| 10:11.09 | Flusher | is it the same structure ? |
| 10:11.16 | Flusher | (sorry if I'm not clear enough) |
| 10:11.27 | karsten | Flusher: Erm. Third-party package? Yes, the DEB format is the same. |
| 10:11.30 | infernixx | Flusher, check the debian maintainers guide. or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 10:11.43 | JJ|Laptop | anyone know if there's good internet speeds or cheap servers for rent in europe? |
| 10:11.49 | Flusher | infernix: thanks |
| 10:11.50 | karsten | JJ|Laptop: Google |
| 10:11.51 | pjesi_ | 'route -n' looks identical |
| 10:11.55 | infernixx | Flusher, i suppose you need some sarge version running on etch so just /msg dpkg sid simple backport and go for that. |
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| 10:12.31 | ttl- | should i try to downgrade the system to stable first ? |
| 10:12.45 | JJ|Laptop | karsten: google hates me... |
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| 10:12.56 | MatBoy | OK, a install of a linux-image broke my whole system, editted my mtab and so on... I really unable to boot. I have fixed the mtab... but while booting.. I get a maintenance commandline and everything is readonly or not mounted :( |
| 10:13.08 | wols_ | JJ|Laptop: google for "rootservers" in germany for example |
| 10:13.21 | Swynndla | so each time I boot up, fsck is performed, is that configurable? ... or is it wise to leave it like that? |
| 10:13.37 | wols_ | ttl-: you cannot downgrade |
| 10:14.15 | pjesi_ | http://pastebin.ca/167775 |
| 10:14.25 | pagey_kayaker | Gnome is ok |
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| 10:15.06 | MatBoy | did someone saw my last line ? I was not logged in here.. so I don;t know if Debian accept it |
| 10:15.07 | sprink_ | what's the difference between the linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 and linux-image.2.6-686? |
| 10:15.29 | wols_ | MatBoy: don't boot in rescue mode |
| 10:15.54 | wols_ | sprink_: a 2.6 image could be a different version in the future and has been in the past |
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| 10:16.26 | wols_ | same thing as a libc.so.6 and libc.so |
| 10:16.31 | MatBoy | wols_, but that does not work ? X can;t be started and so on |
| 10:16.57 | wols_ | MatBoy: then fix it. without you telling us what exactly is wrong we can't help you |
| 10:17.25 | MatBoy | wols_, but what should be a good idea. Nothing is mounted as Read/Write, so I can upgrade or anything |
| 10:17.29 | wols_ | and you can't fix your mtab: mtab is generated dynamically |
| 10:17.51 | enouf | MatBoy: do you mean fstab , not mtab |
| 10:17.52 | MatBoy | wols_, OK, that is good to know |
| 10:17.54 | ttl- | i've changed sources to stable did 'apt-get update/upgrade and now x is working again |
| 10:17.57 | wols_ | MatBoy: you should STOP booting in rescue mode and start editing your fasta for example. and you should start telling us what's wrong |
| 10:18.04 | MatBoy | enouf, nope, fstab was allrigt |
| 10:18.10 | wols_ | what you currently say is not very helpful for either you or us |
| 10:18.36 | MatBoy | wols_, I don;t boot in rescue-mode... the system does. So I have no other option. What can I try ? |
| 10:18.37 | wols_ | MatBoy: you you need to edit for the hda -> sda change, then fstab is definitely not right |
| 10:18.57 | ttl- | i will come back in via a GUI IRC client |
| 10:18.58 | wols_ | you can finally tell us error messages if you want help |
| 10:19.29 | MatBoy | wols_, of course I will tell you as much as I can. Strange thing is... my old kernel is also not booting anymore... that is strange I think |
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| 10:19.55 | wols_ | YOU are very strange. come back if you have meaningful information for your problem |
| 10:20.02 | karsten | cydork: Yeah. |
| 10:20.09 | cydork | wtf? |
| 10:20.17 | karsten | cydork: ... or attempted an upgrade w/o a dist-upgrade |
| 10:20.17 | wols_ | cydork: he was missing some unbstable files I guess. the upgrade installed them and made it working again |
| 10:20.32 | karsten | wols_: _down_ grade. |
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| 10:20.49 | enouf | MatBoy: which "linux image" abd what's your prior one |
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| 10:20.56 | wols_ | karsten: he upgraded before I think. or his sources didn't contain a needed file |
| 10:21.14 | ttl_work | back |
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| 10:21.42 | Bert- | hello there |
| 10:21.44 | MatBoy | wols_, I can't give you info if I don;t know what you want to know... be honest6 about that |
| 10:21.52 | cydork | well he is back |
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| 10:22.15 | MatBoy | enouf, I was booting from a 2.6.15 and the linux-image was a 2.6.17-2 |
| 10:22.17 | Bert- | is a difference between cc and gcc please ? |
| 10:22.25 | MatBoy | I not sure about the -2 |
| 10:22.26 | wols_ | MatBoy: you get error messages. pretty letters on screen |
| 10:22.31 | wols_ | which are out of the ordinary |
| 10:22.38 | wols_ | Bert-: not on linux |
| 10:22.54 | cydork | Bert-: cc is link to gcc |
| 10:23.01 | Bert- | oki thx |
| 10:23.01 | wols_ | cc is the traditional and generic name for the system's C compiler. in case of linux it's gcc of course |
| 10:23.09 | wols_ | on solaris it would be sun's cc, etc |
| 10:23.11 | enouf | MatBoy: pastebin your /etc/fstab |
| 10:23.48 | enouf | MatBoy: or use /join #flood |
| 10:23.52 | MatBoy | wols_, yes, readonly filesystem, can't find /sbin/init and so on... I will make a pastebin about the info |
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| 10:24.09 | MatBoy | enouf, thanks, I can paste into flood ? |
| 10:24.10 | wols_ | MatBoy: first error please. which would be can't find init I guess |
| 10:24.32 | enouf | MatBoy: yes |
| 10:24.37 | wols_ | as for the filesystem: you could always remount if you need fo change and rectify something |
| 10:24.45 | MatBoy | enouf, ok :) |
| 10:25.09 | karsten | Bert-: cc is a symlink to gcc generally |
| 10:25.21 | MatBoy | wols_, indeed, but I didn want to try that in rescue-mode or the commandline where I in after booting |
| 10:25.50 | MatBoy | wols_, I get 2 different types of errors by every kernel |
| 10:25.51 | LinuxHelp | Hi, what vnc server should I apt-get install (debian testing) if I would like to run a vnc server which shows the gdm login? |
| 10:26.01 | karsten | LinuxHelp: tight |
| 10:26.38 | LinuxHelp | karsten, thats not in apt-get though right? |
| 10:26.39 | wols_ | MatBoy: you talk a lot but give very little info |
| 10:26.41 | enouf | MatBoy: suspecting X is not loading - something else is wrong with your config - and those errors are ?? |
| 10:26.53 | LinuxHelp | I'm on main, contrib and non-free |
| 10:27.10 | MatBoy | enouf, ReadOnly... it can't write the tempfiles and so on |
| 10:27.17 | LinuxHelp | oh sorry |
| 10:27.22 | cydork | LinuxHelp: search for tightvncserver |
| 10:27.32 | LinuxHelp | it is tightvncserver |
| 10:27.33 | MatBoy | wols_, yes.. I behind a windows machine now... it's 5 meter away.. I booting it :) |
| 10:27.41 | MatBoy | I'm |
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| 10:28.30 | karsten | LinuxHelp: 'tis. tightvncserver |
| 10:28.59 | pjesi_ | karsten: did you see the pastebin? |
| 10:29.09 | karsten | pjesi_: No. |
| 10:29.34 | karsten | pjesi_: http://pastebin.ca/167775 ? |
| 10:29.37 | pjesi_ | yes |
| 10:30.20 | karsten | pjesi_: Looks sane. |
| 10:30.42 | wols_ | pjesi_: eth0 shows up in ifconfig -a ? |
| 10:30.57 | pjesi_ | yes it does |
| 10:31.23 | wols_ | what if you set the IP statically for testing? |
| 10:31.26 | wols_ | does it work then? |
| 10:31.39 | enouf | MatBoy: "exact" errors only - and pastebin dmesg | tail -15 |
| 10:32.02 | MatBoy | enouf, I can remount anything when booting |
| 10:32.15 | MatBoy | enouf, every partition is 2,4GB and the same use |
| 10:32.26 | pjesi_ | wols_: no eth0 does not start with static ip |
| 10:33.01 | Flusher | My Sarge netboot installer doesnt detect my IDE hard drive when Etch does. The IDE controller is a Intel ICH5. Is there a known issue please ? |
| 10:33.02 | enouf | MatBoy: can/can't ? 24GB, 2.4GB 2400000GB ? |
| 10:33.03 | MatBoy | enouf, I can't readout fstab :S it's there, but it has to do something with the mount |
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| 10:33.30 | wols_ | MatBoy: are you able to tell us the errors or not? |
| 10:33.33 | MatBoy | can't remount => 2.4GB |
| 10:33.36 | enouf | MatBoy: are you using pure Debian ? |
| 10:33.45 | MatBoy | wols_, not from the /var/log, sorry |
| 10:33.56 | wols_ | pjesi_: and what error do you get then? |
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| 10:34.03 | MatBoy | enouf, yep, 100% etch |
| 10:34.27 | enouf | MatBoy: now .. you CAN boot into recovery mode? runlevel1 .. yes? |
| 10:34.32 | cydork | Flusher: it's possible that sarge kernel doesn't support it. |
| 10:34.34 | wols_ | MatBoy: then reboot until you can read the error message |
| 10:35.03 | Flusher | cydork: yes, the sarge kernel seems not to support it, but the etch does. Is there a way to enable the ich5 module ? |
| 10:35.05 | wols_ | Flusher: the issue is "old sarge kernel" |
| 10:35.12 | enouf | MatBoy: you get to 'Enter Control-D' or enter root passwd to continue ? |
| 10:35.12 | MatBoy | wols_, I already busy with it for hours... what do you think that every reboot should fix than ? |
| 10:35.15 | wols_ | !tell Flusher about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 10:35.41 | MatBoy | enouf, yes I get that indeed |
| 10:35.41 | Flusher | I suppose that the answer is given by dpkg, thank you wols_ |
| 10:35.41 | pjesi_ | wols_: SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 10:35.43 | enouf | MatBoy: do you successfully Enter the Root passwd ? |
| 10:35.44 | wols_ | MatBoy: it won't fix anything. It gives you one more chance to read the exact error every time you boot |
| 10:35.49 | MatBoy | enouf, I thought only with the new kernel |
| 10:35.55 | MatBoy | enouf, yes, I get a commandline than |
| 10:35.57 | liable | Flusher: 2.6.8 should support ich5 |
| 10:35.58 | wols_ | pjesi_: can you paste your dmesg output please? |
| 10:36.04 | nvz | damn, 6:35am already :P time flies |
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| 10:36.15 | LinuxHelp | tightvncserver :1 -rfbport 5900 #this gives me a visual console when I login, how do I get gdm? (This command is already run as root) |
| 10:36.16 | MatBoy | wols_, I will make a pastebin about that, I will post the link here later |
| 10:36.19 | wols_ | liable: yes, but sarge boots 2.4 by default |
| 10:36.24 | enouf | MatBoy: when ther you can easily get /etc/fstab AND dmesg | tail -15 |
| 10:36.30 | liable | wols_: it should even be in 2.4 |
| 10:36.42 | wols_ | liable: true. but you never know |
| 10:37.00 | enouf | MatBoy: I've been over in #flood waiting for you already.. |
| 10:37.02 | kristalino | i'd like to transfert a mysql database from one server (with only phpmyadmin on it) to one another (full ssh access). What is the most safe (about compatibility issues, and about char encoding) way to do that ? |
| 10:37.15 | liable | wols_: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#intel-ich5 |
| 10:37.20 | nvz | LinuxHelp: I think you might want XDMCP |
| 10:37.30 | wols_ | kristalino: phpmyadmin works fine |
| 10:37.52 | nvz | LinuxHelp: this is what vnc servers are suppose to do.. you start them as a user and it reads their X session and loggs in |
| 10:37.54 | pjesi_ | http://pastebin.ca/167783 |
| 10:38.01 | LinuxHelp | nvz, I've spent hours on xdmcp, it just doesnt work over the net :/ |
| 10:38.02 | kristalino | wols_, mmm. not here, i have a timeout problem because the file .sql is very big |
| 10:38.07 | nvz | LinuxHelp: heh |
| 10:38.16 | MatBoy | enouf, thanks ! |
| 10:38.20 | MatBoy | just a sec :) |
| 10:38.46 | LinuxHelp | nvz, the problem is that I'm too far away from my computer to login |
| 10:38.52 | nvz | LinuxHelp: the way I do vnc is ssh in to my account and start it.. then you login through ssh I am not aware of any way to have gdm in vnc or how that would even work.. you surely dont want to be running vnc as root |
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| 10:39.43 | LinuxHelp | nvz, that sounds good, whats the best way to start your gnome session |
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| 10:40.03 | wols_ | kristalino: maybe try and portionate it in smaller chnunks? |
| 10:40.10 | wols_ | one table at a time or whatever |
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| 10:40.38 | wols_ | pjesi_: what if you set static IP and all but no default gw? |
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| 10:40.52 | nvz | LinuxHelp: put gnome-session in ~/.xsession |
| 10:41.09 | MatBoy | enouf, problem... commands not found... it's really messed up I think |
| 10:41.11 | xorl | does the net install CD support sata? |
| 10:41.12 | nvz | LinuxHelp: see vnc doesnt even require X.. its an X server itself |
| 10:41.14 | LinuxHelp | nvz, I have logged in to a tight vnc server which I have created via ssh in my own account, and what I see is a gnome-terminal, but now how do I start my gnome desktop? |
| 10:41.23 | MatBoy | xorl, yes it does |
| 10:41.24 | pjesi_ | wols_: wait |
| 10:41.28 | xorl | hmm |
| 10:41.33 | karsten | In kitty, is there any way to set the fonts used on the "Guide" page? MUCH TOO LARGE. |
| 10:41.33 | xorl | it's not detecting my laptops sata drive. |
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| 10:41.41 | nvz | LinuxHelp: and it doesnt connect to a terminal like XFree or Xorg so its hard to get a local x client like gdm to connect to it |
| 10:41.44 | MatBoy | xorl, booting a 2.6 kernel ? |
| 10:41.49 | xorl | expert26 |
| 10:41.52 | wols_ | xorl: depends on the sata chipset |
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| 10:42.18 | xorl | ATI IXP400 |
| 10:42.19 | nvz | LinuxHelp: you should log back in through ssh and kill the vnc server and setup your session file then restart it |
| 10:42.21 | cydork | xorl: sata cdrom drive? |
| 10:42.23 | xorl | (piix) based |
| 10:42.41 | enouf | MatBoy: then either you're not really root - or something is really screwy - what does 'id -u' say? |
| 10:43.05 | pjesi_ | wols_: it starts |
| 10:43.05 | wols_ | !tell xorl about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 10:43.12 | nvz | LinuxHelp: you could start nohup gnome-session & but thats not really desireable its still gonna die when you close that terminal. you want to setup your session file properly |
| 10:43.21 | wols_ | pjesi_: so your gateway is wrong I guess |
| 10:43.40 | wols_ | as cydork said earlier |
| 10:43.42 | LinuxHelp | nvz, okay, so then what do I put in .vnc/xstartup? |
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| 10:43.55 | xorl | wols_: i havent even gotten it installed yet |
| 10:43.55 | liable | xorl: can you set legacy mode in bios? |
| 10:43.59 | xorl | what good will that do to me? |
| 10:44.06 | xorl | liable: nope. |
| 10:44.26 | MatBoy | enouf, in the (after the CONTROL-D) message, it's not recognized... I'm booting now belong that |
| 10:44.34 | pjesi_ | I guess it should have said ...193 |
| 10:44.44 | LinuxHelp | just an extra "gnome-session" at the end? |
| 10:44.49 | nvz | LinuxHelp: no idea about that.. I just use my regular ~/.Xsession file or the like |
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| 10:45.19 | nvz | LinuxHelp: though it probably does have its own file if you wanted it do start a session other than your normal x session but I am not aware |
| 10:45.24 | LinuxHelp | nvz, oh well tight just mentioned this file so I thought it might be best |
| 10:45.28 | pjesi_ | thanks for the help guys |
| 10:45.34 | enouf | MatBoy: I don't understand the laswt part .... are you drunk as a sailor with a fistful of 50s ? |
| 10:45.46 | liable | xorl: ati based and supported by piix? |
| 10:45.54 | wols_ | xorl: it's a newer kernel which has a much higher chance of suppporting your chipset? and you should read ALL of it, not just the beginning |
| 10:46.01 | enouf | !confuse MatBoy |
| 10:46.01 | dpkg | Yes, those was my pineapple today, MatBoy? wellies of the people's republic of tahiti with extra cream |
| 10:46.10 | pjesi_ | I have anouther problem, libstdc++.so.6 not found? |
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| 10:46.16 | nvz | LinuxHelp: not that in an X session file it runs one command and when that command dies it goes to the next and when all die the script exits and session ends.. so you want anything else to be backgrounded with & and the last command (probably gnome-session) to be running in the foreground so when gnome-session ends the session ends |
| 10:46.22 | liable | !tell pjesi_ about search |
| 10:46.25 | nvz | s/not/note |
| 10:46.30 | wols_ | pjesi_: packages.debian.org Look what package contains this file |
| 10:46.44 | nvz | I gotta get my ass in the shower and get to work. not gonna make any money sitting here |
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| 10:46.59 | LinuxHelp | nvz, I dont have an Xsession file :/ |
| 10:47.24 | nvz | LinuxHelp: so make one :P that is also what would be read using "default" session in the gdm login |
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| 10:47.38 | MatBoy | enouf, no, I can give root when the rescue mode is comming by, but I can also continue and login as normal root |
| 10:47.40 | pjesi_ | I just thought it was standard :) |
| 10:47.48 | MatBoy | !beer enouf :P |
| 10:48.10 | LinuxHelp | nvz, ya but wont that interfere with my standard local login? |
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| 10:48.13 | nvz | LinuxHelp: since you are using gnome-session, gnome-session need be the only line.. because you can have anything else like gnome-panel, nautilus, xscreensaver..etc starting through gnome-session which is how gnome works |
| 10:48.23 | enouf | MatBoy - I've got to go sit-down for a few minutes :-) (know what I mean) |
| 10:48.24 | mio | running etch on amd64, trying to install wine, but it's not in the available packages |
| 10:48.29 | nvz | LinuxHelp: no, gdm will only read that file if you choose "default" in the session menu |
| 10:48.31 | enouf | brb... |
| 10:48.36 | LinuxHelp | oh |
| 10:48.50 | cydork | mio: it's not available for amd64, it's 32 bit specific |
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| 10:49.13 | LinuxHelp | nvz, /home/misha/.Xsession is the correct place right? |
| 10:49.14 | mio | actually, their website says it is |
| 10:49.16 | nvz | LinuxHelp: and putting just gnome-session in there is the same as the "gnome" session in gdm anyhow |
| 10:49.35 | MatBoy | enouf, are you standing than ? But serious... I busy with it for hours now... It;s trange that the working 2.6.15 can't boot anymore after the install of a linux-image-2.6.17 So I think a reinstall it the fastest way |
| 10:49.47 | cydork | mio: it's not debian afaik |
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| 10:49.51 | nvz | LinuxHelp: sure looks good to me.. and like I said vnc probably does have its own session file as well that it would read first.. I just dont know anything about it I use ~/.Xsession |
| 10:49.52 | xorl | wols_: any faster mirros? |
| 10:50.00 | MatBoy | enouf, good luck with it :p |
| 10:50.03 | mio | cydork: according to their website, the only thing i'm missing is ia32-libs-dev for amd64 |
| 10:50.20 | nvz | LinuxHelp: I am sure for people who use ~/.Xsession for login and want something different for vnc its possible you would have to read the docs |
| 10:50.46 | mio | cydork: any reason people aren't supporting it? |
| 10:50.50 | nordon | after re-boot, i lose my gnome apps settings which i config thro' gnome-control-center. i have tried using switch2 but no help. how to keep the settings? |
| 10:51.28 | LinuxHelp | yeah .Xsession wasnt executed :/ |
| 10:51.40 | LinuxHelp | nvz, I'll try .vnx/xstartup now |
| 10:52.21 | cydork | mio: you can install it in 32 bit chroot i guess |
| 10:52.24 | LinuxHelp | nvz, or maybe chmod +x ? |
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| 10:52.57 | LinuxHelp | nope.. |
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| 10:53.04 | pjesi_ | I am reading a non-debian howto, it tells me to create a system user like: adduser -s /sbin/nologin mysql |
| 10:53.12 | mio | cydork: can you please point me to some docs on how that's done? i'm new |
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| 10:53.47 | pjesi_ | which does not work |
| 10:54.05 | cydork | mio: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 10:54.37 | nvz | LinuxHelp: did you run the vncserver as that user? |
| 10:54.48 | mio | cydork: thanks! |
| 10:54.50 | cydork | mio: check the part about IA32 chroot to run 32bit applications |
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| 10:55.12 | LinuxHelp | vnz, yeah, |
| 10:55.32 | nvz | LinuxHelp: are you using the vncserver package? |
| 10:55.51 | mio | cydork: yep, will do, thanks |
| 10:56.01 | cydork | mio: no prob. |
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| 10:57.16 | MatBoy | wols_, you said that mtab is generated on demand... can I than also empty it ? I thought you couldn't |
| 10:57.35 | wols_ | mtab is gnereated new everytime you boot |
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| 10:57.39 | wols_ | it's irrelevant what is in there |
| 10:57.51 | LinuxHelp | nvz, I just added gnome-session to .vnc/xstartup and that sort of works so I'm happy with that |
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| 10:58.15 | nvz | LinuxHelp: ok. well like I said it probably reads its own session before the default session if it exists. |
| 10:58.16 | LinuxHelp | package=tightvncserver |
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| 10:59.07 | nvz | LinuxHelp: what also might be interesting but I never tried it is to put gnome-session and a vncserver -kill :1 or whatever in there so after the gnome-session ends it kills the server so you dont have to login again through ssh or risk forgetting to shut it off |
| 10:59.31 | nvz | LinuxHelp: vnc isnt real secure I only run it when I know I am using it |
| 10:59.31 | LinuxHelp | nvz, I'll try that now |
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| 11:00.29 | nvz | LinuxHelp: alright well I gotta grab my tools and get my ass across town and make some money today.. good luck, and happy vnc'ing |
| 11:00.40 | LinuxHelp | kthx |
| 11:00.43 | enouf | MatBoy: ahhh ... feel much better .. |
| 11:01.00 | cydork | nvz: so did you get your car started yesterday |
| 11:01.03 | cydork | :) |
| 11:01.25 | nvz | cydork: eventually and like I said he was already back and had two pieces of the gutter made when I got there |
| 11:01.43 | MatBoy | enouf, damn, I must go now too :p |
| 11:01.59 | nvz | but I rounded up my tools and tool bag yesturday I am ready to go today as long as this piece-o-shit car starts |
| 11:02.05 | enouf | MatBoy: mtab is basically the result of /etc/fstab and mount options (mtab=mount table) -- ahh ok - hope it all works out :-p |
| 11:02.18 | cydork | nvz: heheh good luck |
| 11:02.26 | MatBoy | enouf, I think the system is really screwed up |
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| 11:02.59 | MatBoy | enouf, what should be the best install to let the system further to is what it is ? |
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| 11:03.05 | enouf | MatBoy: also though mtab shows the Virtual FSs and their mount point and option - such as /proc, /sysfs, /tmpfs |
| 11:03.06 | MatBoy | enouf, settings and so on |
| 11:03.22 | MatBoy | enouf, yep, I have seen that |
| 11:03.46 | nvz | cydork: yeah they say not to look the gift horse in the mouth or something like that.. but I know we all get the urge to kick it in the teeth once in awhile |
| 11:04.06 | enouf | MatBoy: well - you've seen it - hows about letting us in on it too :-p |
| 11:04.34 | LinuxHelp | nvz, yeah that -kill thing works |
| 11:04.45 | cydork | nvz: you are damn right . |
| 11:04.48 | nvz | LinuxHelp: cool I'll remeber that |
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| 11:05.28 | wishkah | I have two 3com cards of the same model, both using 3c59x.ko, the second one is detected as eth1_temp (rather than eth1, eth0 works fine). what's the problem? (etch, 2.6.16-2-k7) |
| 11:05.37 | enouf | nvz : you go girl .. hehehe |
| 11:08.42 | enouf | wishkah: we don't know ...what is the problem |
| 11:08.42 | enouf | wishkah: it appears they both work |
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| 11:09.35 | enouf | wishkah: you'll likely need to play with udev rules if they both try to occupy/share/assume the same bus id - udev rules.d allows you to assign the UUID of the card (and other Card specific parameters) to a certain interface, |
| 11:09.43 | liable | wishkah: hrm, iirc you need to delete a udev rule. check udev bts |
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| 11:10.21 | enouf | wishkah: the only other thought - is perhaps somewhere you've tried to already set the 2nd one up as a Virutal netwrok associated to eth0 (as in eth0:1, eth0:2 or somesuch) |
| 11:10.38 | wishkah | I just created a udev rule setting NAME based on the sysfs ADDRESS (mac), maybe that works (rebooting) |
| 11:10.54 | wishkah | enouf: no, no virtual interfaces on that machine |
| 11:11.12 | liable | wishkah: btw, newer versions of udev sysfs is deprecated for making rules.. |
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| 11:11.22 | enouf | wishkah: ok -- reboot :-) -- or just /etc/init.d/network stop then start |
| 11:11.37 | liable | that wont change the iface name. |
| 11:11.42 | enouf | wishkah: ok -- reboot :-) -- or just /etc/init.d/networking (+ ing ??) |
| 11:11.52 | enouf | liable: otay |
| 11:11.59 | wishkah | nah, I wanan be on the safe side and make sure EVERYTHIGN is reloaded |
| 11:12.11 | wishkah | I don't trust the entire udev thing, not yet |
| 11:12.18 | wishkah | still don't know enough about it |
| 11:12.25 | rvsjoen | remove and reload the module for the card |
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| 11:13.03 | enouf | rvsjoen: ahh ... |
| 11:13.05 | wishkah | well, setting NAME by SYSFS{address} didn't work :( (added it to /etc/udev/rules.d/udev.rules) |
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| 11:13.45 | wishkah | this weird, if I rmmod 3c59x and modprobe it again, it shows that it detects both cards, bu tit only does the ACPI: PCI Interrupt stuff for teh first one |
| 11:14.42 | wishkah | looks to me like this is a problem prior to udev, I think this is a kernel issue. maybe I should try switching the pci slot of one of the cards... |
| 11:15.12 | liable | !dbugs 357025 |
| 11:15.15 | dpkg | DONE:#357025:N[udev] udev gets confused when renaming interfaces; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:49:27 UTC |
| 11:15.29 | cydork | wishkah: the rule should look like this KERNEL=="eth*", SYSFS{address}=="xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx", NAME="eth1" |
| 11:15.50 | wishkah | cydork: precisely |
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| 11:16.09 | MatBoy | enouf, what could be a reason that it can't initialise /etc/mtab ? |
| 11:16.21 | enouf | wishkah: may be read /etc/udev/rules.d/z45_persistent-net-generator.rules |
| 11:16.42 | enouf | wishkah: but others are more familiar with that than I |
| 11:16.44 | stoffell | anyone has a good idea on how to run mysql 4.1 on etch? |
| 11:17.02 | stoffell | i need it because of mysql-syncs running to 4.1, else i would use 5 |
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| 11:17.15 | infernixx | stoffel: www.backports.org, or www.dotdeb.org |
| 11:17.16 | Yamaraj | I've an almost similar problem. Debian GNOME doesn't mount my SATA DVD drive. Most probably a udev issue. |
| 11:17.17 | enouf | MatBoy: can't initialize mtab? hrmmm ... munged /etc/fstab ? need a fsck? dunno |
| 11:17.30 | infernixx | stoffell, oh, sorry, etch. hmm. |
| 11:17.47 | stoffell | infernixx: yeah, i need it sorta the other way round :) |
| 11:17.51 | MatBoy | enouf, I can't run fsck... that is the mainproblem for now |
| 11:17.53 | infernixx | stoffell, /msg dpkg simple sid backport, and do that with mysql-server-4.1 from sarge. |
| 11:18.57 | Yamaraj | Is it safe to assume that current weekly build (9/11) of Debian Etch will have beta3 installer? |
| 11:18.57 | stoffell | infernixx: uh? sorry, i don't get it ? |
| 11:19.42 | infernixx | !tell stoffel about simple sid backport |
| 11:19.53 | infernixx | stoffell, you want to add a deb-src line to sources.list for sarge, then apt-get update; apt-get build-dep mysql-server-4.1; apt-get -b source mysql-server-4.1. |
| 11:20.09 | cydork | wishkah: try giving it more discriptive names |
| 11:20.18 | ttl_work | karsten: i was able to install aptitude |
| 11:20.25 | stoffell | infernixx: ah, okay, so i need the build-dep, i did try it with apt-get install -t sarge mysql-server-4.1, but that didn't work |
| 11:20.26 | karsten | ttl_work: Good. |
| 11:20.31 | stoffell | infernixx: thanks, gonna try it out |
| 11:21.13 | enouf | MatBoy: sure you can .. --> boot a knoppix livecd or system rescue cd and chroot and run it' |
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| 11:22.27 | MatBoy | enouf, ok... it that's working... some typing again :) |
| 11:22.32 | enouf | MatBoy: do you know abour cat and less ? the pagers ? like 'cat /etc/fstab' and 'less dmesg' ? |
| 11:22.38 | wishkah | there we go, moving the MAC-based NAME= rule from udev.rules to z25_persisten-net.rules did the trick (I also moved the 2nd card down one pci slot, gonna revert that and see if it still works) |
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| 11:23.50 | MatBoy | enouf, yep |
| 11:24.37 | MatBoy | enouf, I so damn tired... I need a punch sometimes :) |
| 11:24.50 | enouf | MatBoy: and if you can't obtain that info for us - then a LiveCd is the way to go for fixing, since the othre utils will likely not work either |
| 11:25.07 | enouf | MatBoy: others on you exisitng install that is |
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| 11:25.12 | enouf | your* |
| 11:25.34 | enouf | !fishsmite MatBoy |
| 11:25.53 | enouf | thanks dpkg - he needed that |
| 11:26.02 | dpkg | enouf: sure thing |
| 11:27.19 | wishkah | yup, the PCI slot had nothin to do with it, the following rule worked: SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVER=="?*", SYSFS{address}=="xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx", NAME="eth0". Thanks guys |
| 11:28.15 | cydork | wishkah: great |
| 11:28.25 | enouf | wishkah: excellent ...just to be clear - it was the z25_persistent-net.rules, not z45_persistent-net-generator.rules ... correct? |
| 11:29.58 | MatBoy | !kick enouf back in the face |
| 11:30.02 | enouf | wishkah: oh - and just rmmod <modname>, and then modprobe <modname> did it (after altering the rules)? - or did you reboot? |
| 11:30.07 | MatBoy | haha :p |
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| 11:30.36 | pjesi_ | anyone know the /etc/hosts PATH in windows? |
| 11:30.38 | wishkah | enouf: yes, remodding did the trick, but obviously I had to reboot for the pci slot change ;) |
| 11:30.39 | enouf | !lart Matboy |
| 11:30.55 | MatBoy | enouf, problem is that when I make a /debian and mount every sdaX partition on it and run fsck that it want to use the MD's because I use SWraid |
| 11:30.55 | enouf | wishkah: ...right :-) |
| 11:31.08 | MatBoy | !love enouf |
| 11:31.09 | wishkah | enouf: correct, the file is z24_persisten-net.rules |
| 11:31.22 | enouf | wishkah: thanks for clarifying |
| 11:31.40 | enouf | !gothsmite MatBoy |
| 11:32.18 | MatBoy | !unbeer eno-away |
| 11:32.32 | liable | leave the bot alone |
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| 11:32.33 | enouf | MatBoy: whoa ...easy now .. |
| 11:32.35 | MatBoy | !beer enouf and slam him with the empty bottle |
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| 11:32.43 | wols_ | MatBoy: your problem is not mtab imho. your disk gets mounted read only anbd then mtab obviously can't be written |
| 11:33.10 | enouf | MatBoy: slow down ... what do you mean "problem is that when I make a /debian" <--- |
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| 11:33.51 | wishkah | I ROCK. I have successfully set up a software RAID 1. And now guess what brand o fdrives I used and didn't realize? For both? Anyone? IBM DEATHSTARS. !@#$%@#$%@# |
| 11:34.09 | liable | ... |
| 11:34.11 | stoned | SW Raid is for the weak |
| 11:34.18 | wishkah | or the poor |
| 11:34.22 | MatBoy | enouf, I boot with knoppix make /debain, mount all partitions under it as it should and chroot /debian |
| 11:34.38 | liable | http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html |
| 11:34.47 | MatBoy | stoned, I use it alot... works well |
| 11:34.49 | wishkah | they're gonna die faster than you can say 'fsck IBM', running 24/7 and all |
| 11:35.01 | wishkah | I hate myself |
| 11:35.04 | enouf | MatBoy: at this point - I defer you to the chroot gurus here ... ask nicely, and give them the info EXACTLY as tehy ask for |
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| 11:35.38 | MatBoy | enouf, I have done it before... but that was 1,5 years ago :) Google is also a good friend |
| 11:35.58 | enouf | MatBoy: now you're learning |
| 11:36.47 | MatBoy | enouf, hehe, I was running a system for 9 months now and with nice tweaks on it :) 4 TFT's and so on.. vmware... but the SMP kernel was failing... so this is why :) |
| 11:36.50 | enouf | wishkah: "fstab IB... " whooops HDD is dead - hehehe |
| 11:37.09 | MatBoy | enouf, hehe |
| 11:37.57 | enouf | MatBoy: well - guess you did ok - got lucky- but now it's time to learn how and why it works .. or not [-: |
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| 11:38.18 | wishkah | anyone know if the 60gig IBM deskstars were error prone? I only know about the 30 and 45 GB models (had a bunch of those, all dead by now) |
| 11:38.44 | MatBoy | enouf, i have had so many strange things that mostly took some hours... but this is really weird... even the PRO's here can figure it out... but I didn want to give up :) |
| 11:38.54 | enouf | wishkah: Hitachi bought out the deskstars .. I have an 80GB hitachi - still purring |
| 11:39.15 | enouf | wishkah: you may the orig older ones |
| 11:39.50 | enouf | MatBoy: it's NOT that they can't figure it out ... it's that you are NOT giving the answers to help |
| 11:40.16 | MatBoy | enouf, I mean the PRO's here, locally :) |
| 11:40.19 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:40.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd80 is <toresbe> Holy shit! <toresbe> My Ultra 1 is streaming kernel panics! <toresbe> oh crap - It's the BSOD screensaver <toresbe> I fall for that motherfucker every time |
| 11:40.22 | enouf | wishkah: +have |
| 11:41.11 | MatBoy | enouf, I need to figure out again how I can mount a sda1 and sda2 as one under MD1... I knew how it worked |
| 11:41.16 | cydork | tarzeau: no more popcon ?? :P |
| 11:41.20 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:41.20 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 11:41.44 | enouf | MatBoy: if you knew how it worked, then you coud fix it ... |
| 11:41.56 | enouf | could* |
| 11:42.15 | MatBoy | enouf, yep... braindamage... I need to write some things down sometimes |
| 11:42.23 | wishkah | yes, the dist-upgrade I started on my libretto 50ct is about to finish... wish I had time'd it :D |
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| 11:43.34 | Gyuszk | hi |
| 11:43.41 | tarzeau | cydork: btw, check this: http://www.bsdstats.org/ |
| 11:44.16 | cydork | tarzeau: debian/kbsd just 1?? |
| 11:44.32 | cydork | s/kbsd/kfreebsd/ |
| 11:44.56 | wishkah | one of my deathstars is occasionally making noises that resemble the noise cats make when you step on their tail... should I be worried? |
| 11:45.10 | tarzeau | cydork: well, on there, yes. because the script wasn't portable |
| 11:45.29 | cydork | tarzeau: oh ok. |
| 11:45.29 | tarzeau | cydork: check popcon page, there's at least 10 computers running gnu/kfreebsd |
| 11:45.32 | MatBoy | enouf, I will mdadm them just normal :) and chroot that :) solved :D |
| 11:45.57 | enouf | wishkah: so hdparm -i /dev/deathstar shows an IBM ... hehe -or even a lshal | grep storage.model |
| 11:46.33 | enouf | wishkah: most definitely ... mine are purring very quietly |
| 11:47.51 | wishkah | enouf: ic35l060avv207-0 |
| 11:47.59 | Guerin | heh |
| 11:47.59 | enouf | wishkah: but - by the same token - I'm running this debian install on an old WD 9.1GB drive that's more noisy than a lorena bobbit's husband in the aftermath |
| 11:48.05 | Guerin | i have a deathstar, 15G |
| 11:48.15 | Guerin | been working fine for about 6 years |
| 11:48.25 | wishkah | Guerin: afaik the 14.4 gig model isn't one of the daethstars |
| 11:48.35 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 11:48.37 | wishkah | I still have one of the 14.4 gig IBM deskstars, runs like a charm |
| 11:49.02 | wols_ | not all IBMs are deathstars |
| 11:49.04 | enouf | wishkah: yeah - many hitachi start with HD (<<-- Hitachi Deathstar) .. hehe] |
| 11:49.26 | wishkah | enouf: so the hitachi models die too or did they do the job IBM was incapable of? |
| 11:49.56 | cydork | tarzeau: hmm popcon show 9 users for debian/kfreebsd |
| 11:49.59 | wishkah | enouf: cause one of the md0 is a IC35L and the other is a HDS722580 |
| 11:50.06 | wols_ | wishkah: only a single series died |
| 11:50.15 | enouf | wishkah: well - certain models suck - but basically hitachi fixed them - to a degree - the odd numbered haeded models suck - and the Sata hitachis are nice |
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| 11:50.40 | tarzeau | cydork: don't forget the gnu/kfreebsd on amd64 |
| 11:50.47 | enouf | wishkah: mine are HDS728080PLAT20 - I have 2 and using only 1 atm |
| 11:50.57 | tarzeau | cydork: oh it disappeared... |
| 11:51.24 | cydork | tarzeau: what happened to it? |
| 11:51.33 | tarzeau | cydork: i don't know, ask aurel32 in #gnu-kbsd |
| 11:51.40 | wishkah | enouf: well, I'll plug in a WD 40gig for backup, I never had a single WD die on me, but about 6 IBM (no kidding, even the replacement drives they sent died after 2 months) |
| 11:52.08 | enouf | wishkah: good plan - tell MatBoy too :-p |
| 11:52.22 | wishkah | MatBoy: don't trust IBM |
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| 11:52.40 | enouf | wishkah: no - the Backup part ... |
| 11:52.47 | enouf | :-p |
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| 11:52.58 | wishkah | MatBoy: back up your IBM drives to WD drives ;) |
| 11:53.08 | enouf | wishkah: There ya go ... |
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| 11:53.28 | ttl_work | aptitude saved my system :) |
| 11:53.55 | dorel__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.02 | wishkah | anyone here ever had a 2.5" (notebook) hdd die? |
| 11:54.20 | petemc | of course |
| 11:54.21 | ttl_work | wishkah: yes |
| 11:54.29 | ttl_work | wishkah: 2 |
| 11:54.32 | enouf | wishkah: I know many laptop owners have killed their idm drives |
| 11:54.44 | enouf | ibm - or otherwise even |
| 11:54.45 | ttl_work | wishkah: IBM |
| 11:55.08 | cydork | tarzeau: frankly debian/kfreebsd port should popularized. i dont see any activity on the mailing list too |
| 11:55.15 | enouf | wishkah: well not that many really ... |
| 11:55.25 | tarzeau | cydork: it's all in #gnu-kbsd |
| 11:55.41 | tarzeau | cydork: we need help with grub/grub2 and os-prober as well as debian-installer |
| 11:55.53 | tarzeau | cydork: you too can help, just download the installer iso image, install it and be there |
| 11:56.05 | cydork | tarzeau: i am thinkin of installing it on my server. |
| 11:56.06 | tarzeau | cydork: alot of packages build and work. some don't build, some don't work,.. |
| 11:56.23 | tarzeau | cydork: make sure you upgrade to the 6.1 kernel. it's much more stable than the default 5.x one |
| 11:56.24 | cydork | tarzeau: well then cant on server :) |
| 11:56.54 | FernandoMM | Hello, is there a way to use cp mantaining the file permission (if i'm root)? |
| 11:56.54 | cydork | tarzeau: oh ok. |
| 11:57.05 | wishkah | 58C okay for athlon 1300 under really heavy load? |
| 11:57.11 | tarzeau | FernandoMM: yes of course |
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| 11:57.17 | tarzeau | wishkah: yes |
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| 11:57.26 | wishkah | tarzeau: thx |
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| 11:57.50 | wishkah | FernandoMM: cp -a IIRC |
| 11:58.01 | FernandoMM | wishkah: thanks! |
| 11:58.12 | wishkah | FernandoMM: but check the man file, just to be sure |
| 11:58.47 | FernandoMM | wishkah: just tried it, worked :) |
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| 11:59.30 | MatBoy | wishkah, I have already WD drives, only WD-drives :) |
| 11:59.37 | Imaboyo | Apt-get upgraded my samba to 3.023 last night and i now can't access one of my network shares. Also i have got no less than 120 system emails about the panic action script being called. Has this already been reported? |
| 11:59.40 | MatBoy | enouf, I have found it out |
| 11:59.41 | MatBoy | :) |
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| 12:01.00 | MatBoy | I make RaidArrays now with the missing second partition, I add it than... after that the have synced... I will mount them, chroot the thing and come back to you for some bugtracing :D |
| 12:01.06 | enouf | MatBoy: woot! ... found what ? |
| 12:01.19 | enouf | MatBoy: ahhh ok |
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| 12:03.04 | enouf | wishkah: sound about right for those older AMDs |
| 12:03.42 | wishkah | I got a debian etch system with gnome and 128MB ram. it's a bit sluggish, what's the best way to save some RAM? |
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| 12:04.26 | mentor | MatBoy: any luck? |
| 12:04.42 | MatBoy | mentor, still busy, 3 hours of sleep :) |
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| 12:05.12 | mentor | MatBoy: aww |
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| 12:13.45 | Imaboyo | anyone upgraded to Samba 3.023 having serious issues with it? |
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| 12:14.19 | Blissex | wishkah: not using GNOME? :_) |
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| 12:16.45 | Blissex | wishkah: look at: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno05-3rd.html#050701 |
| 12:17.18 | yang | If I have installed a GERMAN version of debian on one computer, all error messages come into German language to me, is there a way to transform all to english, with locales or such? |
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| 12:18.17 | Blissex | wishkah: to minimize the cost of swapping, which is inevitable in 128MiB, look at http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno05-4th.html#051008 |
| 12:18.25 | Blissex | yang: yes. |
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| 12:21.06 | yang | Blissex: I have LANG=en_US.UTF-8 ; LANGUAGE=de_DE |
| 12:21.16 | enouf | yang: dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 12:21.20 | yang | Blissex: set LANGUAGE=en_US doesnt work |
| 12:21.22 | enouf | or locales |
| 12:21.24 | yang | I did that |
| 12:21.35 | yang | but still i get language in german |
| 12:21.36 | wishkah | Blissex: thanks, great links |
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| 12:21.55 | Blissex | yang: that is not quite the way to do it. |
| 12:22.00 | wishkah | Blissex: it's not my machine, I use 24KB dwm, but my dad wants all the fancy windows :) |
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| 12:22.36 | Blissex | wishkah: give him XFCE which looks fancy is not that fancy. Or tell him to start saving towards at least 512MiB :-). |
| 12:22.40 | karsten | wishkah: If nobody's suggested it yet: XFCE |
| 12:22.50 | enouf | yang: what's /etc/environment wsya |
| 12:23.08 | enouf | say* |
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| 12:23.28 | karsten | yang: reconfigure your locales. 'export LANG=C' |
| 12:23.29 | yang | florenz084:~# more /etc/environment |
| 12:23.29 | yang | LANGUAGE="de_DE" |
| 12:23.29 | yang | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 12:23.32 | Blissex | yang: for the sake of experiment try: 'export LC_ALL; LC_ALL=C'. That's not quite the right way either. But it will have an effect. |
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| 12:24.06 | karsten | yang: You'll have to export not just set it. Assignment applies to the ucrrent process only. export applies to subprocesses. |
| 12:24.19 | karsten | Blissex: LANG should do it. |
| 12:24.39 | yang | it will work after i relogin? |
| 12:24.49 | karsten | yang: Only if you re-set the environment. |
| 12:25.06 | karsten | Blissex: Hrm. LC_ALL overrides LANG. You win. |
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| 12:26.45 | Blissex | yang: it will work immediately for all processes started from that shell. |
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| 12:26.46 | Blissex | yang: consider reading 'man 7 locale' (note: the "7" is essential). |
| 12:26.46 | karsten | yang: ... but session-based environment settings don't persist acress reboots. Basically, "LANG=foo" is only active while that process (your shell) is running. To make the change permanent, add that to your ~/.bash_profile |
| 12:27.55 | yang | ok |
| 12:28.11 | Blissex | yang: consider reading 'man 5 environ' |
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| 12:29.06 | yang | ok thanks |
| 12:29.12 | spectacular | jw_: hi, i can't seem to find a copy of pyversions anywhere to copy anywhere, any suggestions? |
| 12:30.26 | sysadmin | oftc or freenode? that is the official channel for #debian? |
| 12:30.36 | Blissex | sysadmin: OFTC |
| 12:31.01 | sysadmin | (#debian at oftc does ban tor user) |
| 12:31.33 | spectacular | jw_ is gone, isn't he? |
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| 12:31.44 | Ronin | spectacular: yep they do |
| 12:31.47 | Blissex | yang: basically '/etc/environment' is used by all users. As <karsten> says, for permanent effect override that in your '~/.bash_profile' or '~/.profile' |
| 12:31.52 | Ronin | i think freenode does at times as well |
| 12:31.55 | simmerz|Work | how do i change the current gcc version? |
| 12:32.02 | spectacular | jw_ suggested i put pyversions somewhere and then try dpkg --pending --configure - anybody know where I can find that? |
| 12:32.10 | Blissex | Ronin: Freenode used to be official, but the official channel was moved to OFTC a while ago. |
| 12:32.12 | ans-tor | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=372081#20 <-- where can i download the package that this bug is fixed? |
| 12:32.22 | ans-tor | dpkg: |
| 12:32.30 | Blissex | Note that ''official channel'' really means rather little. |
| 12:32.32 | Ronin | Blissex: yep, i was talking about tor though and it being banned at various times :) |
| 12:32.45 | CyberMad | i want to install apache2, php5 and mysql-server on some computers, do you know how to download the package via LAN? i don't want all computers download the package from the net via apt-get |
| 12:32.58 | CyberMad | actually i want to save time and bandwidth |
| 12:33.20 | ans-tor | simmerz|Work: apt-get install? |
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| 12:34.05 | Blissex | CyberMad: you can create a local mirror repository or, rather more annoyingly, download the '.deb's and install them manually. |
| 12:34.19 | ans-tor | CyberMad: use apt-proxy? |
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| 12:34.25 | Blissex | CyberMad: there are several APT shared mirroring/caching schemes... |
| 12:34.35 | simmerz|Work | ans-tor: no, I already have 4.0 and 4.1 installed. the testing kernels are built with 4.0 but having installed 4.1, that is now my default. how do I change that? |
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| 12:36.32 | ans-tor | simmerz|Work: your default is 4.0, but you want to use 4.1? |
| 12:36.42 | simmerz|Work | ans-tor: other way round |
| 12:37.02 | simmerz|Work | and then switch back. just so vmware can install its tools |
| 12:37.25 | ans-tor | simmerz|Work: your default is 4.1, but you want to use 4.0? |
| 12:37.31 | simmerz|Work | yes |
| 12:38.22 | ans-tor | simmerz|Work: "gcc-4.0" invoke this at command line? |
| 12:38.42 | simmerz|Work | ans-tor: given that the vmware installer does all this automatically? |
| 12:39.10 | simmerz|Work | like i said, I want to set 4.0 as the actual system default for this task, and then set it back. I'm not compiling manually. |
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| 12:39.52 | simmerz|Work | so when I run the vmware-tools installer, it sees that the system gcc is 4.0 instead of 4.1 |
| 12:40.01 | FernandoMM | Hello, i'm trying to make a failover system with two nodes. I have already setup a failover load balanced apache cluster but my problem now is with files and how can i syncronize them. I tried rsync, but it is only one-way syncronized right? I mean, if the first server goes down (ok server2 assumes it and keep serving and getting files) but when server1 gets back i would lost my files because server2 would syncronize with server1 again, right? |
| 12:40.25 | petemc | FernandoMM: you could look at unison |
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| 12:41.30 | simmerz|Work | its so easy to do with gentoo: gcc-config. is there something similar with debian? |
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| 12:42.04 | FernandoMM | petemc: thanks, will take a look at google |
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| 12:42.45 | Blissex | FernandoMM: it is much harder than you think... |
| 12:43.02 | ans-tor | simmerz|Work: to change the symbolic link of /usr/bin/gcc is the prefer way? |
| 12:43.03 | Blissex | FernandoMM: also look at Linux-HA.org |
| 12:43.24 | Blissex | FernandoMM: and at clusters and cluster filesystems in particularl. |
| 12:43.52 | simmerz|Work | ans-tor: thank you |
| 12:44.11 | ans-tor | simmerz|Work: update-alternatives command is the more systematic method |
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| 12:45.27 | theclaw | hi there |
| 12:45.35 | simmerz|Work | ans-tor: ok |
| 12:46.28 | ans-tor | simmerz|Work: for a more tricky method, setting env MAKE="make CC=gcc-4.0 CXX=g++-4.0" may work on some installer, without having to change the system config |
| 12:47.46 | stew | simmerz|Work: you shouldn't be messing with any gcc symlinks, just use the CC and HOSTCC env variables |
| 12:47.58 | enouf | simmerz|Work: as root 'update-alternatives --config c++'seems to show g++ versions |
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| 12:48.40 | enouf | stew: is what I said wrong advice to ? |
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| 12:49.06 | FernandoMM | Blissex: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_unison this really makes me thing it is simple |
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| 12:49.15 | czekista | hi. i would like to install debian on new pc with the same packet selection as on my old one. How can i do this? is there any script/apt option that allows me to export list of installed packets and use it? |
| 12:50.09 | Guerin | czekista: dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections |
| 12:50.20 | czekista | Guerin: thx |
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| 12:50.31 | ans-tor | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=372081#20 <-- what does the phrase "Fixed in r302 by kink" means? |
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| 12:50.45 | ans-tor | where can i found r302? |
| 12:50.52 | Blissex | ans-tor: thats Sarge update 2. |
| 12:51.02 | Blissex | ans-tor: Sarge is Debian 3.0 |
| 12:51.22 | stew | enouf: yes, i believe it is wrong, even if you have multiple versions of g++ installed, update-alternatives will only show "g++" |
| 12:52.09 | Hal9000 | ans-tor: sarge is debian 3.1 |
| 12:52.25 | enouf | stew: right ... I just realized that - it would show other compilers if installed, not various versions of the same |
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| 12:55.18 | stew | ans-tor: kink is Thijs Kinkhorst who is a DD, i would guess that the package is maintained in svn/cvs and r302 refers to a svn/cvs revision |
| 12:57.16 | Blissex | oops |
| 12:58.26 | ans-tor | thx |
| 12:58.58 | MatBoy | enouf, still here ? |
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| 12:59.18 | enouf | MatBoy: no ! |
| 12:59.20 | enouf | :-p |
| 12:59.30 | theclaw | hrm, i have a question regarding writing udev rules: when using "PROGRAM", the rule is "true" when the external program return a non-zero value? |
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| 13:00.35 | wishkah | is there a preferred process/IO scheduler for servers running database+web services? |
| 13:01.16 | MatBoy | !beer enouf |
| 13:02.08 | MatBoy | enouf, everything is mounted and resynced again exept /home and SWAP on the system. I have chrooted it.. |
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| 13:02.42 | MatBoy | enouf, any ideas what to perform ? |
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| 13:03.29 | enouf | MatBoy: what files systems are you using ? |
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| 13:04.06 | MatBoy | enouf, ext3 |
| 13:04.49 | enouf | MatBoy: are you able to obtain cat /etc/fstab and dmesg | tail -10 ? |
| 13:05.29 | MatBoy | yep !! |
| 13:05.34 | MatBoy | enouf, ^ |
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| 13:05.53 | enouf | MatBoy: get on over to #flood then and paste |
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| 13:06.24 | tuxub | is there any problem with the amd64 repos? |
| 13:06.56 | MatBoy | enouf, I will login from my Knoppix on IRC |
| 13:07.20 | enouf | MatBoy: no - you are already logged in now |
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| 13:07.43 | MatBoy | enouf, yes, but I can't SSH to the box for a strange reason |
| 13:07.45 | MatBoy | BRB |
| 13:07.55 | enouf | MatBoy: oh -- you are on a windows box now ? |
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| 13:10.35 | MatBoy | enouf, back again :) |
| 13:10.54 | enouf | MatBoy: oh -- you are/were on a windows box ? |
| 13:11.28 | MatBoy | enouf, yeah... that was why I was typing to weird |
| 13:11.51 | MatBoy | too |
| 13:14.42 | enouf | MatBoy: try running a fsck on your / ext3 partition |
| 13:14.57 | MatBoy | enouf, ok :) |
| 13:15.08 | enouf | MatBoy: hold a sec - while I check something |
| 13:15.21 | MatBoy | enouf, OK :) |
| 13:16.31 | MatBoy | enouf, I see alredy errors about the fact that the MD's are mounted |
| 13:16.36 | MatBoy | so I have said N :) |
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| 13:19.01 | enouf | MatBoy: there are a few ways to do that - but I'm not sure exactly which is best from a chroot - usually 'tune2fs -c0' (I think) can be used to do so from recovery boot (runlevel1) - but from chroot, try this from the shell .. Make CERTAIN all the md's are not! mounted! - try 'umount -a' then use 'mount' or 'mtab' to show you whetehre your md is still mounted |
| 13:20.21 | MatBoy | enouf, mhh problem I guess to chroot it than. I have mounted all MD's under a directory that I chroot |
| 13:20.26 | MatBoy | I see no other way |
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| 13:20.39 | enouf | MatBoy: try fsck.ext3 -a -C0 /dev/hdc1 <-- where /dev/md?? is your md and root |
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| 13:21.19 | enouf | MatBoy: yes Umount, prior to any fsck |
| 13:21.37 | christos | hello to everyone i have a problem with debian etch |
| 13:22.08 | MatBoy | enouf, ok so I exit my chroot, unmount everything and fsck the MD's |
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| 13:22.15 | enouf | MatBoy: sounds like a plan ;-) |
| 13:22.29 | MatBoy | enouf, :) I thought so ! :D |
| 13:22.46 | ans-tor | stew: where can i find svn/cvs of phpbb2 package? |
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| 13:26.29 | nicgios | Hi all. I have a problem with Xorg. Running a Debian testing system (just upgraded), nvidia card, kernel 2.6.17. I installed nvidia driver successfully (I see the logo) but when I run "start" I receive XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" |
| 13:26.29 | nicgios | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.43 | nicgios | the log file has no EE entries |
| 13:26.58 | christos | I am using debian testing for two years before some weeks i bought a new laptop fujitsu seimens amilo pa 1510 the installtion was ok but after when i tried to boot my system for first time i saw my system stalled some seconds after udev started to recognize my software i saw that the model of my hard disk is unknown for the system and somethis is goin wrong with the touchpad the udev reognize it after show me the message "azx_get_respone |
| 13:26.59 | christos | timemout" and my system hangs..... |
| 13:27.05 | nicgios | any ideas? |
| 13:27.36 | christos | i tried to give some parametres to grub but nothing what i can do? |
| 13:27.51 | ans-tor | where can i find svn/cvs of specific debian package? |
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| 13:28.54 | cydork | ans-tor: if you want a source for a debian package, do apt-get source <package> |
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| 13:29.00 | Bert- | hello there |
| 13:29.10 | Bert- | I downloaded and installed the last weekly build |
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| 13:29.37 | Bert- | but I'm unable to found webmin with aptitude |
| 13:29.40 | Bert- | no entry |
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| 13:29.51 | Bert- | webmin has been removed from repository ? |
| 13:29.51 | ans-tor | cydork: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=372081#20 <-- but i want the package with this bug fixed |
| 13:30.09 | cydork | Bert-: if you are using etch, webmin is not present |
| 13:30.32 | Bert- | cydork: I use ... :( |
| 13:30.39 | Bert- | why it is not present |
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| 13:31.23 | Bert- | ? |
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| 13:32.41 | cydork | !why is webmin not in testing |
| 13:32.42 | dpkg | webmin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=webmin |
| 13:32.48 | cydork | Bert-: ^^ |
| 13:32.53 | Bert- | :p |
| 13:32.56 | Bert- | thx ;) |
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| 13:34.01 | Bert- | so I have to wait for an update ..; |
| 13:35.10 | cydork | Bert-: update? it has been removed due to security reasons i guess. |
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| 13:37.56 | cydork | ans-tor: it's not fixed yet right. so i dont think you will get it in debian packages. |
| 13:38.03 | nordon | how to set the dpi for gnome apps? |
| 13:38.22 | FernandoMM | How can i remove an alias that was made for eth0 (eth0:1) without rebooting? |
| 13:38.46 | infernixx | dpkg, why is webmin not in testing is also if you really really really need webmin, just install it from source in /usr/local, it will work just fine. |
| 13:38.46 | dpkg | infernixx: what are you talking about? |
| 13:38.59 | infernixx | good point, dpkg |
| 13:39.09 | cydork | FernandoMM: edit /etc/network/interfaces then invoke-rc.d networking restart |
| 13:39.18 | cydork | infernixx: :) |
| 13:40.43 | FernandoMM | cydork: didn't worked, i still se an eth0:1 on ifconfig |
| 13:41.18 | cydork | FernandoMM: check your interfaces. |
| 13:41.22 | ans-tor | cydork: but the fixed package is in svn/cvs? |
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| 13:42.19 | FernandoMM | cydork: i have to remove the eth0:1 http://pastebin.ca/167879 |
| 13:42.46 | mantang0 | I need to add an LVD SCSI interface to a Poweredge 2650. Is the Adaptec 29160 or 39160 compatible with debian? |
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| 13:43.21 | petemc | FernandoMM: ifconfig eth0:1 down |
| 13:43.51 | FernandoMM | petemc: thanks |
| 13:45.16 | MatBoy | !beer enouf for all his proven duties :) |
| 13:46.02 | cydork | FernandoMM: if you want to remove it completely you have to remove the entry in the interfaces file. |
| 13:47.15 | FernandoMM | actually i'm having other problems right now, i can't start apache i get "could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80" after i have done "apt-get install apache2-prefork-dev" |
| 13:47.34 | petemc | cydork: assuming there is an entry in the interfaces file, of course.. |
| 13:47.54 | petemc | FernandoMM: lsof -i :80 |
| 13:48.19 | FernandoMM | petemc: don't return anything |
| 13:48.21 | nordon | how to set the dpi for gnome apps? |
| 13:48.22 | cydork | ans-tor: that will be on the phpbb site. but not in debian |
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| 13:51.02 | FernandoMM | petemc: also, i'm getting Unable to open logs |
| 13:51.38 | ans-tor | cydork: heh, but it's debian bts |
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| 13:55.22 | petemc | FernandoMM: i suspect you may really want apache2-mpm-prefork , not apache2-prefork-dev |
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| 13:56.24 | FernandoMM | petemc: i installed it because i had to compile mod cband |
| 13:56.36 | MatBoy | enouf, /home is also clean |
| 13:56.50 | MatBoy | enouf, run a apt-get upgrade ? |
| 13:56.51 | madclicker | where can i find a gpg key for "www.debian-multimedia.org" (etch x86)? |
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| 13:58.25 | MatBoy | enouf, I'm going to try to boot :) Let's see :) |
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| 13:58.30 | cydork | madclicker: check the faq on that site or /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 13:59.06 | madclicker | cydork, thanks, i got it |
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| 13:59.11 | karsten | madclicker: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 1F41B907 |
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| 14:01.46 | madclicker | karsten, roger |
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| 14:06.11 | karsten | HP's canned Dunn. |
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| 14:07.08 | karsten | http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=2424070 |
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| 14:09.51 | nordon | is mplayer now an official debian package? |
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| 14:10.21 | beardy | nordon: WHat makes you think that? |
| 14:10.39 | nordon | marillat repo is now debian-multimedia. |
| 14:10.49 | beardy | nordon: Yes, and? |
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| 14:12.12 | nordon | and so mplayer is official. |
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| 14:12.25 | Ronin | no its not |
| 14:12.28 | nordon | at least it is now available officially. |
| 14:13.20 | Ronin | nordon: iirc no its not offical either but i may be off on that one |
| 14:13.20 | madclicker | karsten, good thing i guess, bad image for HP |
| 14:13.24 | karsten | !info mplayer |
| 14:13.38 | beardy | nordon: No, and huh? What makes it more official now? |
| 14:13.39 | karsten | Package 'mplayer' does not exist. |
| 14:13.56 | karsten | It's not listed in any of my http.us.debian.org package lists. |
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| 14:14.14 | karsten | nordon: No, it's available through a third-party repo. |
| 14:14.18 | cydork | nordon: debian-multimedia.org is not a official repo |
| 14:14.18 | nordon | what is the issue here? nothing wrong with the player. its the codecs. even official debian players also use those codecs. |
| 14:14.20 | stew | nordon: just becuase the package maintainer bought a domain name containing "debian", it doesn't make the packages any more official. if they were official they would be available from ftp.debian.org |
| 14:14.36 | jelly | nordon: mixed up licensing of the sources. |
| 14:14.51 | karsten | nordon: The maintainer of that repo happens to be a Debian dev, and uses 'debian' as part of the domain name. |
| 14:14.58 | karsten | Hrm. Actually, that's a tad confusing. |
| 14:15.06 | nordon | what are the official debian video players? |
| 14:15.08 | stew | nordon: the issue is that debian has no way to insure that you actually pay for any license fees you may legally have to pay in order to use the software which possibly infringes on several patents |
| 14:15.20 | beardy | !tell nordon -about search |
| 14:15.46 | beardy | nordon: Why can't you use mplayer? |
| 14:15.54 | nordon | beardy: feel like pulling at your beard. :D |
| 14:16.05 | beardy | nordon: Go ahead. |
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| 14:16.27 | beardy | (it's not that pullable anyway) |
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| 14:16.52 | nordon | beardy: i m using mplayer. my question is, why it is not official debian. makees me feel like i m infringing IPR. |
| 14:17.09 | stew | nordon: depending on where you live, you may be using it illegally |
| 14:17.20 | beardy | nordon: "/msg dpkg mplayer" tells the story, or gives you urls to it |
| 14:17.33 | nordon | stew: why should it depends on where I live? |
| 14:17.53 | stew | nordon: many countries do not honor the patents |
| 14:18.12 | nordon | stew: can they do that? is |
| 14:18.23 | nordon | is Malaysia one of them? |
| 14:18.25 | beardy | nordon: It's legal, and/or patent issues, and perhaps someone mixed in copyright too, if you care, don't use it, if you don't, use it, if you care in that way that you want to use it to make a stand, use it. |
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| 14:18.57 | cydork | nordon: also check /msg dpkg mplayer legal saga |
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| 14:19.07 | nordon | beardy: that sounds paradoxical. :) |
| 14:19.18 | jelly | nordon: you could use xine or vlc if it bothers you. |
| 14:19.18 | beardy | nordon: No. Read it again. |
| 14:19.24 | riot_ | can anyone tell me, why my tv-card (bt848) does not find any channels? s-video works, but no tv |
| 14:19.34 | MatBoy | enouf, still the same problem... it just can't use the MD + sdXx's. |
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| 14:20.10 | nordon | jelly: if i use xine or vlc with the same codecs as mplayer, am i not back to square one in terms of infringing IPR? |
| 14:20.18 | beardy | nordon: (punctuation could perhaps been better, but read it slowly) |
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| 14:21.18 | stew | nordon: vlc doesn't contain any infringing code. mplayer does. this is all regardless of what codecs you have installed |
| 14:21.21 | jelly | nordon: possibly, but they _are_ in main. ;-) |
| 14:21.21 | beardy | nordon: The codecs are not in Debian, so.. |
| 14:21.40 | beardy | stew: Isn't that party a matter of opinion? |
| 14:21.44 | beardy | partly |
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| 14:21.59 | newbie007 | hi |
| 14:22.04 | Trewas | stew: vlc and xine use exactly same code as mplayer for mpeg4 and many others, they infringe just the same patents |
| 14:22.20 | Trewas | mplayer may have some other issues though |
| 14:22.20 | stew | beardy: Trewas mplayer contains libdvdcss code, vlc does not |
| 14:22.28 | MatBoy | It seems that there are bugs in 2.6.17.9 related to MD and stuff, is this known on older versions too ? -2 ? |
| 14:22.34 | nordon | I tend to agree with Trewas. |
| 14:22.52 | beardy | nordon: What is the problem? |
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| 14:23.22 | nordon | infringing IPR becos of the codecs, not the player. |
| 14:23.33 | jelly | beardy: he wants to know why is mplayer not in Debian while other software with same patent issues are. |
| 14:23.56 | beardy | Have fun. |
| 14:23.56 | jelly | that's my understanding... |
| 14:24.10 | nordon | jelly: you put it correctly. |
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| 14:24.24 | nordon | thks. |
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| 14:24.51 | beardy | nordon: You have read all the legal mailing list threads, and everything else? |
| 14:24.54 | cydork | nordon: check http://people.debian.org/~mjr/legal/mplayer.html#problems i believe i gave you the correct factoid before this |
| 14:25.37 | beardy | That is the last I'm going to say about that topic, for atleast a couple of hours. |
| 14:25.44 | nordon | cydork: if i want to read, i won't have come here to chat. |
| 14:25.55 | beardy | Just in time too. |
| 14:26.11 | nordon | yeah |
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| 14:26.36 | jelly | nordon: nah, you should read it to have arguments to chat about and not be ignorant. ;-) |
| 14:26.38 | cydork | nordon: then you are not worthy of giving any opinion. |
| 14:26.48 | newbie007 | hi i tried installing a hp-pc40, but the network isn't found |
| 14:27.12 | nordon | jelly: facts can come out of chats, i won't call it argument. |
| 14:27.12 | beardy | Good, because no manual covers it. |
| 14:27.33 | jelly | disasm: it would be rtf annotated flame fest, I guess |
| 14:27.42 | epsilon | DNS question: if I have A-record "domain.tld A <IP>", what should I choose for www. subdomain? "www.domain.tld CNAME domain.tld" or "www.domain.tld A <IP>"? |
| 14:27.42 | nordon | disasm: you know what i would say to that? |
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| 14:28.05 | disasm | nordon: no I don't |
| 14:28.07 | beardy | newbie007: Can you try to give more details? A hp-pc40 is what, a laptop? What network card does it have, any specific errors? (tell the whole channel, not me) |
| 14:28.35 | cydork | nordon: only fools and drunkards talk about the thinks that they dont know. pick your category |
| 14:28.36 | nordon | disasm: it would be: if all you know is rtfm, them stfu and gfy. :D |
| 14:28.52 | cydork | s/thinks/things/ |
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| 14:29.06 | nordon | cydork: stfu and gfy. :D :D |
| 14:29.11 | newbie007 | its a hewlett packard desktop pc and the network adapter is an intel pro/100VE but i can't find any lists which iso to use |
| 14:29.13 | disasm | cydork: i agree ;-) |
| 14:29.23 | disasm | cydork: and he doesn't seem too drunk :-D |
| 14:29.24 | jelly | nordon: eh, unless you go and read the facts, you're not in the position to argue sensibly. Else you'll be looked upon as a common troll. |
| 14:29.36 | beardy | !d-i newbie007 |
| 14:29.37 | dpkg | newbie007, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:29.43 | beardy | !ig newbie007 |
| 14:29.51 | beardy | !tell newbie007 about ig |
| 14:29.59 | beardy | !tell newbie007 -about grounding |
| 14:30.06 | cydork | disasm: i agree :) |
| 14:30.09 | nordon | to all of you, stfu and gfy. :D :D :D. bye. |
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| 14:31.06 | jelly | Is this the room for an argument? |
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| 14:31.56 | ofer0 | dpkg, beer |
| 14:31.56 | dpkg | from memory, beer is liquid gold mate |
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| 14:32.16 | cydork | ofer0: you forgot what beer is?? :O |
| 14:32.33 | ofer0 | cydork, yeah, I forgot what it tastes like |
| 14:32.57 | cydork | !beer ofer0 |
| 14:33.02 | cydork | ofer0: enjoy ;) |
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| 14:33.05 | disasm | can't beat a good weisse beer ;-) |
| 14:33.06 | ofer0 | thanks! |
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| 14:35.21 | newbie007 | sothx, but it doesn't bring me further if this specific network adapter is supported or not whether or not, it's found, otherwise debian wouldn't offer a network configuration menu or not? |
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| 14:35.50 | rvsjoen | hmm... i'm trying to install php-pear package but when I do it wants to remove php5-mysql... |
| 14:36.01 | dorel__ | someone should file a friggin bug about apache2 installation and mime.types being commented out |
| 14:38.04 | newbie007 | the problem is that some network adapter is found but can't be configured |
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| 14:40.11 | MatBoy | it really sucks from devfs to udev.... also when you were already using udev |
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| 14:41.50 | b0red | hi. anyone uses plesk in here? |
| 14:42.21 | stew | dorel__: why shoudn't that someone be you? |
| 14:43.29 | MatBoy | b0red, useless piece of dog-outlet-stuff :) |
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| 14:51.02 | MatBoy | what is the best option to fully disable devfs ? Because there is still a devfs.rules in the /etc/udev |
| 14:51.36 | stew | MatBoy: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:52.08 | MatBoy | Stew, 2.6.12 |
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| 14:52.38 | stew | MatBoy: the best way to fully disable devfs is to upgrade to a more current kernel, all devfs support was removed completely from kernels 2.6.13 and later |
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| 14:52.57 | stew | MatBoy: what version of udev do you have installed? |
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| 14:53.26 | wdamn | Hi, which package should I install to work with php4, mysql4.1 and apache? |
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| 14:53.31 | MatBoy | stew, that is a old knoppix cd where i have chrooted my Debian install with |
| 14:53.38 | MatBoy | stew, sorry |
| 14:53.41 | wdamn | I'm jumping from testing to stable, with no results |
| 14:53.43 | RobHu | Is there a way to get mysql-server 4 for debian? I'm using etch and the mysql-server-4 package just installs mysql-server-5 (which is incompatible with the software I need to use it with) |
| 14:53.51 | MatBoy | stew, udev -V or -v does not work |
| 14:54.17 | stew | MatBoy: what does "apt-cache policy udev" say for Installed: ? |
| 14:54.53 | stew | wdamn: you cannot move from testing to stable |
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| 14:55.09 | MatBoy | stew, 0.093-1 so that should be the latest |
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| 14:55.52 | DJVG | Hello |
| 14:55.59 | stew | MatBoy: its not the latest, but that version does require you to be running at least a 2.6.15 kernel to be functional which means you cannot have both udev and devfs running at the same time |
| 14:56.00 | RobHu | MySQL 4 for debian anyone? :-) |
| 14:56.01 | RobHu | ??mysql |
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| 14:56.17 | stew | RobHu: the only official way to run mysql4 on debian is to install stable |
| 14:56.21 | wdamn | stew: yeah, I know - but even if I stay in stable or I stay in testing no reutl at oll |
| 14:56.36 | MatBoy | stew, OK, my 2.6.15 does not boot anymore after the install of the linux-image-2.6.17-2 |
| 14:56.41 | RobHu | stew: Can you suggest an unofficial way? :P Is it best to get the tgzs from mysql? |
| 14:56.48 | RobHu | stew: Or is there a way to do it in apt? |
| 14:56.50 | stew | wdamn: apt-get install php4-mysql mysql-server-4.1 |
| 14:57.02 | MatBoy | stew, so that is a strange problem and I figuring out what it can be (for almost a day now) |
| 14:57.30 | MatBoy | stew, devfs is not installed follwing apt-get |
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| 14:57.55 | wdamn | stew: ok, I've got those packages but php doesn't seem to have mysql support... |
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| 14:59.15 | wdamn | argh!! I've got to add mysql.so in /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
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| 15:00.37 | stew | MatBoy: devfs isn't something you install, either your kernel supports it or not |
| 15:01.15 | MatBoy | stew, the 2.6.17 will not by default I guess :) |
| 15:01.32 | stew | MatBoy: no, it won't |
| 15:01.39 | stew | RobHu: why can't you use mysql-5? |
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| 15:01.59 | MatBoy | stew, OK, let me come back when I see something useable :) |
| 15:02.02 | RobHu | stew: The software I need to use is incompatible |
| 15:02.09 | RobHu | stew: Is there a way to get mysql 4 using apt? |
| 15:02.23 | stew | RobHu: install the mysql-4.1 pacakges from stable, /msg dpkg pinning |
| 15:02.29 | RobHu | thankyou |
| 15:02.33 | spldart | Assuming a deb stable and gnome-core install what is the best way to get some sort of 'network neighborhood' setup and be able to map a network drive into my directory?> |
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| 15:02.54 | triplc | hello everyone |
| 15:02.59 | spldart | I want to run an old win database app in wine |
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| 15:03.44 | triplc | please help: how can i tell my computer (etch) to redetect my monitor? i am using LG L1510S LCD and it is very flicky |
| 15:03.56 | triplc | (this computer is upgraded from sarge) |
| 15:04.12 | MatBoy | when you have installed linux-image-2.6.17-2 should it boot right after reboot, or do I have to mkinitrd and so on ? |
| 15:04.21 | MatBoy | or do I need related packages to install ? |
| 15:04.24 | triplc | (command: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not seem to work) |
| 15:05.19 | wdamn | triplc: are you sure you're running xorg? |
| 15:05.38 | triplc | yes, i am sure |
| 15:05.50 | stew | MatBoy: you shouldnt' use mkinitrd with newer kernels, just dpkg-reconfigure the linux-image package (or reinstall it) |
| 15:05.54 | triplc | wdamn, i can see : /etc/X/xorg.conf |
| 15:06.04 | stew | MatBoy: make sure you have initramfs-tools installed |
| 15:06.32 | wdamn | triplc: dpkg -l | grep xserver |
| 15:06.36 | MatBoy | stew, I have installed the initramfs tools... I think thatÅ› why it is not booting ;) |
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| 15:07.16 | MatBoy | stew, damn, that is installed :( |
| 15:07.41 | triplc | wdamn, i've run the command as you say, but the output is long, is that okay to paste it here? |
| 15:07.50 | wdamn | triplc: |
| 15:07.51 | wdamn | no |
| 15:08.04 | wdamn | dpkg -l | grep xserver-xorg |
| 15:08.05 | dpkg | ii | grep xserver-xorg 2.5-13.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 15:08.09 | MatBoy | The question is, what could brake a linux-image to your already existing kernel ? |
| 15:08.18 | stew | MatBoy: try rebuiding your initrd with it, if that doesn't work, try yaird instead |
| 15:08.49 | MatBoy | stew, I have read some things about yaird... we will see |
| 15:08.54 | triplc | grep xserver-xorg |
| 15:08.55 | triplc | ii xserver-xorg 7.0.22 the X.Org X server |
| 15:09.07 | triplc | wdamn, that's the first line of the output |
| 15:09.17 | stew | MatBoy: i'd strongly suggest you try to rebuild your kernel with initramfs before switching to yaird |
| 15:09.26 | wdamn | triplc: ok, you're running xorg :) |
| 15:09.43 | triplc | wdamn, so? |
| 15:09.48 | stew | MatBoy: upgrading udev/initramfs-tools without rebuilding an initrd could break an already installed kerenel |
| 15:09.52 | wdamn | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't do anything? |
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| 15:10.27 | wdamn | triplc: take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 15:10.37 | triplc | wdamn, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not work: it results "generic" monitor |
| 15:10.46 | spldart | Ok... I got the network goin... can I address the machines I can browse with gnome in terminal though? |
| 15:11.07 | spldart | somehow do ln -s /some/network/drive/on/windows ??? |
| 15:11.12 | triplc | Section "Device" |
| 15:11.12 | triplc | Identifier"Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller" |
| 15:11.12 | triplc | Driver"i810" |
| 15:11.12 | triplc | BusID"PCI:0:2:0" |
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| 15:11.31 | riot_ | My tv-card (bt848) does not find any channels. s-video works, but no tv. At least tvtime and mythtv don't find anything :( |
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| 15:12.28 | triplc | wdamn, i was kicked :-( |
| 15:12.48 | wdamn | triplc: I see, don't paste too shit ;) |
| 15:12.58 | troubled | are firefox and mozilla somehow related to each other ? they resemble much in some respect than differ again in other ways ... ??? |
| 15:13.09 | spldart | I'd like to map /workgroup/win2k/C: to a dir in my faux windows dir |
| 15:13.29 | MatBoy | stew, ok, that is very very usable information ! |
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| 15:13.40 | troubled | or is it some update to mozilla with another plugin-set ? |
| 15:13.56 | MatBoy | stew, can I mount a md0 as swap to a directtory that I chroot ? |
| 15:14.18 | wdamn | triplc: does dpkg-reconfigure launch a configuration? |
| 15:14.28 | stew | MatBoy: i didn't understand that question |
| 15:14.32 | triplc | wdamn, yes, it does |
| 15:14.58 | wdamn | triplc: ok, so dpkg-reconfigure works |
| 15:14.59 | triplc | wdamn, but it only have video card and mouse, not monitor asking or something, |
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| 15:15.21 | triplc | wdamn, it does not ask about monitor at all |
| 15:15.49 | MatBoy | stew, it;s a little bit difficult, but I boot my system with Knoppix, make all the MD's under knoppix and mount them to a directory /debian When I do a mkinitrd it complains about the /dev/md0 that is not there.. |
| 15:16.24 | troubled | triplc: had the same problem, purged my xorg then reinstalled it, it solved the problem, can imagine there are other ways but this one was easy! |
| 15:16.29 | MatBoy | stew, just makeing a md0 with the swap did it |
| 15:16.53 | stew | MatBoy: what do you mean by "do a mkinitrd"? |
| 15:16.54 | wdamn | triplc: if /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't help you, the only thing I can say is purge xorg package and reinstall it |
| 15:17.19 | triplc | troubled, wdamn, okay |
| 15:17.31 | triplc | let me do it |
| 15:18.17 | yang | which shell must the user have, to be able to login only via FTP ? |
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| 15:20.00 | troubled | anyone's getting kernel message filter messages from iptable messaged to textconsole terminals steadily?, it annoys me, i hardly can read what i write, any suggestions ? |
| 15:20.04 | MatBoy | stew, the mkinitrd -o command |
| 15:20.07 | stew | yang: /bin/false |
| 15:20.14 | stew | MatBoy: why are you running mkinitrd? |
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| 15:20.31 | MatBoy | stew, old kernel |
| 15:20.40 | yang | stew: yes, but i wonder why i get login incorrect |
| 15:20.53 | stew | MatBoy: what kernel version are you trying to build a initrd for? |
| 15:21.01 | MatBoy | stew, 2.6.15 |
| 15:21.02 | stew | yang: how are you trying to login? |
| 15:21.17 | moshii | yang: is the user in /etc/ftpusers ? |
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| 15:21.25 | yang | no |
| 15:21.36 | stew | 11:05 < stew> MatBoy: you shouldnt' use mkinitrd with newer kernels, just dpkg-reconfigure the linux-image package (or reinstall it) |
| 15:22.01 | MatBoy | stew, but OK, you know the problem... it does not boot, should I reconfigure it... EHRM !! OK reinstall it :) |
| 15:22.01 | moshii | yang: you need to add the user/source of the user to /etc/ftpusers for most ftpd's |
| 15:22.16 | MatBoy | stew, but how do you add extra features now than without recompiling ? |
| 15:22.24 | stew | MatBoy: what features? |
| 15:22.26 | MatBoy | because that is not needed anymore |
| 15:22.38 | stew | MatBoy: yes you should reconfigure it (or reinstall it which forces it to be reconfigured) |
| 15:22.44 | yaarg | !gentoo |
| 15:22.44 | dpkg | [gentoo] a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 15:22.45 | MatBoy | stew, enable things or disable in the kernel-config |
| 15:22.54 | stew | MatBoy: like what? |
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| 15:23.36 | MatBoy | stew, name it... in the past we needed that... I also needed to compile my 2.6.15 kernel manually under etch 4 months ago |
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| 15:23.58 | yang | moshii: erm it says - list of users disallowed FTP access - so everyone listed there is disabled from ftp use? |
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| 15:25.01 | stew | MatBoy: if your question is "how do i change the kernel config without recompiling it" the answer is that you cannot. |
| 15:25.25 | MatBoy | stew, that is since the new kernels ? |
| 15:25.39 | stew | MatBoy: no |
| 15:25.41 | MatBoy | stew, oops, sorry |
| 15:25.51 | yaarg | !apples |
| 15:25.52 | dpkg | apples are fruit that one eats in order to keep doctors away |
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| 15:25.57 | yaarg | !crack |
| 15:25.57 | dpkg | crack: see source of spacehogs comment on apt |
| 15:26.05 | MatBoy | stew, but what do you have on a stock version ? that should always boot ? |
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| 15:26.21 | MatBoy | stew, like a linux-image-2.6.17-2 |
| 15:26.29 | spldart | !crystal |
| 15:26.33 | spldart | hehe |
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| 15:26.44 | yang | stew: i am trying to login with ftp from a remote server...but login incorrect |
| 15:26.53 | stew | MatBoy: the stock kernels will only boot with a working initrd |
| 15:26.58 | stew | yang: what ftp server |
| 15:27.05 | yang | stew: proftpd |
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| 15:27.20 | MatBoy | stew, but when you apt-get install it, the initrd is automaticly there |
| 15:27.23 | possie | newbie007: http://blog.stevenkroon.com/2006/09/12/dig-it/5/ describes the search method for dig |
| 15:27.43 | stew | yang: there is a paramter you need to set, something like "RequireValidShell" or something, you need to set that to no or false or something |
| 15:28.09 | stew | MatBoy: one is created when you install the kernel |
| 15:28.28 | stew | MatBoy: upgrading other software after it is created could cause it to become non-working |
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| 15:29.49 | RobHu | Is it possible to have two versions of libreadline installed (4 and 5) ? I've install mysql-server-4.1 from backports but it has removed LVM! It seems lvm uses libreadline5 while mysql uses 4 :S |
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| 15:32.22 | MatBoy | stew, OK :) |
| 15:33.56 | yang | stew: thanks |
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| 15:37.33 | ktwilight | has anyone successfully installed phpldapadmin on etch without installing apache? (note: not apache2) |
| 15:37.50 | ktwilight | seems like i have to create a dummy package to install phpldapadmin :/ |
| 15:37.54 | ktwilight | but i hope not |
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| 15:44.53 | MatBoy | stew, I think I found the problem.... it seems to be known that the kernels from 2.6.15 after an kernel-upgrade will not boot into the MD's I have the same here. /dev/sdaX and /dev/sdbX are not found |
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| 15:46.24 | kleptog | Who is the right person to bug to get files on the the FTP site? File a bug against ftp.debian.org? |
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| 15:49.39 | samuel | sup all |
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| 15:49.54 | DaBlade | Hello, samuel. |
| 15:50.08 | samuel | anyone know of a good python IDE for gnome? there are like a million listed in apt |
| 15:50.12 | g3brown | I want to cat the smbpasswd file on sarge like in cat /etc/passwd, but where is the file? |
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| 15:53.12 | biz | is there a free software mathematica variant that can solve equations like this..? % Solve[A/B==(A+D)/C,A], where it should get A out of A/B==(A+D)/C for example.. any ideas? |
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| 15:54.28 | troubled | mathomatics ? |
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| 15:55.01 | kleptog | octave can do pure numeric stuff |
| 15:55.16 | kleptog | I remember using something called yacs for symbolic manipulation |
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| 15:55.26 | biz | troubled: i was unable to find out if mathomatics is able to do this |
| 15:55.27 | kleptog | yacas sorry |
| 15:55.57 | biz | thanks kleptog i'll try it |
| 15:55.57 | samuel | biz, octave can do that |
| 15:56.24 | troubled | what about coq ? |
| 15:56.48 | kleptog | biz: mathomatic can do what you want, but the interface is tricky |
| 15:56.54 | troubled | oh sorry, it's a prove solver |
| 15:57.31 | kleptog | biz: mathomatic can only solve for simple variables, not expressions |
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| 15:58.38 | kleptog | the solution is apparently: a=d*b/(c-b) |
| 15:58.52 | MatBoy | who is running softwareraid with kernel 2.6.17-2 ? |
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| 15:59.15 | SlayerXP | MatBoy: thousands of people are, I expect. |
| 15:59.53 | MatBoy | SlayerXP, mhh it has broken the booting of my system and it's nowhere to find why |
| 16:00.13 | SlayerXP | MatBoy: booting off software raid is not for the faint hearted |
| 16:00.35 | samuel | anyone know of a good python IDE for gnome? there are like a million listed in apt |
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| 16:00.52 | MatBoy | SlayerXP, simple, works great ! I already use it for 3 years |
| 16:00.56 | petemc | im using sw raid with 2.6.17-xen, but not on / , and im having a few issues anyways.. |
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| 16:02.39 | psycodad | where can i read up more about the dpkg-bot ? |
| 16:03.43 | SlayerXP | MatBoy: so the reason you're asking that question here is.......? :) |
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| 16:04.20 | petemc | psycodad: /msg dpkg help |
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| 16:06.08 | easytiger | does anyone have torrentflux installed on debian? |
| 16:06.29 | qbit_wrk | yes |
| 16:06.33 | qbit_wrk | unstable tho |
| 16:06.42 | SlayerXP | easytiger: yes, from testing. |
| 16:06.43 | psycodad | petemc: well thx, i meant MORE ;-) |
| 16:07.11 | easytiger | <qbit_wrk>: i guess i need to install something else but i cant think what.. i'm getting the following error: |
| 16:07.27 | easytiger | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /var/www/tf/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 354 |
| 16:07.43 | qbit_wrk | you have php-mysql stuff installed? |
| 16:08.10 | qbit_wrk | php5-mysql or php4-mysql? |
| 16:08.19 | easytiger | <qbit_wrk>: do you know any package names.. i should have it all installed |
| 16:08.24 | enouf | MatBoy: have a look around here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=linux-image-2.6.17-2-686&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable also - for shits and giggles d/l and boot a debian 2.6.16-2-686 see if it works |
| 16:09.11 | qbit_wrk | php5-mysql or php4-mysql are the package names |
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| 16:09.18 | qbit_wrk | it depends on if you have php4 or 5 installed :P |
| 16:09.24 | easytiger | i think i have 4 |
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| 16:09.38 | qbit_wrk | dpkg-query -l | grep php |
| 16:10.04 | enouf | MatBoy: are you using a raid card/controller at all? |
| 16:10.21 | easytiger | <qbit_wrk>: thanks i'll try that |
| 16:10.27 | qbit_wrk | np |
| 16:11.12 | MatBoy | enouf, nope, SATA in enchased mode |
| 16:11.38 | MatBoy | enouf, I have seen that the UUID's are not the same for every partition |
| 16:11.48 | MatBoy | enouf, I figuring out now how to change it |
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| 16:12.51 | SeanTater | How do I get python's kde extentions? I cannot seem to import things like kio, kdefx, kdecore, etc.. |
| 16:13.36 | MatBoy | enouf, and I also see still before the kernel-panic: mount: unknown filesystem type 'devfs' |
| 16:13.52 | MatBoy | enouf, why that is there... shoot me... but I have not installed devfs |
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| 16:14.48 | enouf | Matboy: are you using grub to boot with? |
| 16:15.02 | MatBoy | enouf, yes |
| 16:15.29 | enouf | MatBoy: what's the kernel line look like? go to flood again |
| 16:15.55 | MatBoy | enouf, kernelline is OK, I know that for sure |
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| 16:16.28 | MatBoy | enouf, but the wrong UUID's is something to worry about |
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| 16:17.12 | enouf | MatBoy: and the initrd line ? |
| 16:17.22 | MatBoy | enouf, all as it should be |
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| 16:17.57 | MatBoy | enouf, it boots OK, but it hangs on not mounting/creating the MDÅ› because of the wrong uuid for every partition |
| 16:19.00 | MatBoy | enouf, and that should have something to do with the initramfs |
| 16:19.13 | enouf | MatBoy: ok - how about device.map |
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| 16:19.45 | MatBoy | enouf, I goint to make the arrays again under knoppix, give me some minutes.. I skip home for that btw |
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| 16:20.15 | enouf | MatBoy: wait a moment |
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| 16:21.31 | enouf | MatBoy: 'dpkg -l hal' and 'dpkg -l hotplug' |
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| 16:22.06 | troubled | by the way is dbus-1 dependant on hal ? |
| 16:22.40 | piper69 | good morning everybody |
| 16:22.40 | lacin | hi |
| 16:23.00 | lacin | how can I change my consoles background or forground (text) color? (in tty1..tty6) |
| 16:23.09 | MatBoy | enouf, what should it do ? |
| 16:23.42 | enouf | MatBoy: 'dpkg -l hal' and 'dpkg -l hotplug' |
| 16:23.55 | MatBoy | yep |
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| 16:24.12 | MatBoy | enouf, ^ :) |
| 16:24.32 | piper69 | stew: you here |
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| 16:25.25 | piper69 | guys there is something funny i want to tell you, to see how Microsoft screw you someway or another |
| 16:25.27 | enouf | troubled: well if you 'locate dbus-1' - one thing i see is /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf |
| 16:25.29 | piper69 | loooooooooooooolll |
| 16:26.03 | troubled | enouf: uff, that was hard! :) |
| 16:26.06 | enouf | MatBoy: huh ? .. you meaqn both are installed? |
| 16:26.20 | piper69 | @ work they find out that they have to pay $30k just for xp |
| 16:26.34 | enouf | troubled: thanks _ i like to make things easy :-p |
| 16:26.38 | Ronin | piper69: its called licensing, so? |
| 16:26.39 | MatBoy | enouf, jus a sec |
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| 16:27.46 | piper69 | Ronin: yeah i know, coz i kept asking my manager every time he tells me to install xp pro, and he kept telling me don't worry it's VLK |
| 16:27.59 | piper69 | thats why i'am cracking up |
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| 16:28.55 | Ronin | piper69: tell him not to forget the cost of office as well |
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| 16:29.50 | piper69 | Ronin: oh yeah, and adobe premium cs2, visio, and all those good costy stuff |
| 16:29.55 | piper69 | lol |
| 16:30.19 | Ronin | hey nothing wrong with making money off your companies products, just wish they didn't make so much money :) |
| 16:30.58 | Supaplex | gas would be cheaper if someone had a bittorrent of it |
| 16:31.05 | Ronin | heh |
| 16:31.20 | piper69 | man this so called bill gates is F'n rich |
| 16:31.43 | enouf | troubled: pretty friggin ridiculous - the file /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf can be opened in any www, but yet it displyas zippo - it's a html file even - go figure shrugs - but, you can view it using "View menu | View Source" or using any text editor |
| 16:31.44 | Ronin | that reminds me Supaplex, we have to gas up the car i best fire up cheapgas.com |
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| 16:32.48 | enouf | troubled: it's written in the way the MS Active Desktop config files are/were ... pretty funny stuff |
| 16:33.21 | piper69 | Ronin: ok bro gtg and work for a little bit , bbl |
| 16:33.28 | MatBoy | enouf, no versions |
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| 16:34.15 | enouf | MatBoy: do me a favor anyways ... as root do 'apt-get --purge remove hotplug' |
| 16:34.37 | troubled | hal is fired up when you first boot with a winodoze cd to install, hardware abstraction layer if i remember, but i don't know the guts and what it has to do with dbus, got to read some stuff about that googling |
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| 16:35.11 | MatBoy | enouf, OK, problem in the new kernels ? |
| 16:35.35 | enouf | MatBoy: your earlier kerenls might need it whereas your newer ones it conflicts severely with udev -- suggest for newer ones you 'apt-get install hal' |
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| 16:36.05 | enouf | might need hotplug (devfs related IIRC) - newer ones want udev and hal |
| 16:36.23 | tobias | where can i find the algorithm that the debian installer uses to partition disks for a multi-user server? |
| 16:36.43 | enouf | MatBoy: ^^^ and --> hotplug for earlier kerenls |
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| 16:37.51 | MatBoy | so I need to install hal and hotplug ? |
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| 16:38.06 | MatBoy | enouf, ^ |
| 16:38.29 | MatBoy | enouf, but has that something to do with mdadm ? I didn't thought so |
| 16:38.32 | enouf | troubled: yeah - i know ms ntfs uses hal, but it was the silly hal.conf file I was referring to - don't recall any dbus stuff on ntfs - but then again I rarely even see it, let alone use it |
| 16:39.53 | enouf | MatBoy: erm ..let's put it this way - my system upgrade from 2.6.8 Sarge -> 2.6.8 etch ->2.6.16 sid had some udev and hal snags ... I had to remove hal and reinstall it ... take form that whatever you want |
| 16:40.12 | troubled | last time i mounted my dvd device, then installed some windows software with wine from it, then suddenly the mountpoint would disappear till i restart dbus-1, i was now wondering why this happens! |
| 16:40.45 | enouf | troubled: oh boy - that's troubling ... maybe a Sony rootkit - hehehe |
| 16:41.26 | MatBoy | enouf, let's try a reboot :) |
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| 16:41.38 | troubled | enouf: a Sony rootkit on an LG ? |
| 16:41.59 | troubled | hrrmmm |
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| 16:43.09 | enouf | troubled: actually I'm not kidding - depending on new Game CDs/DVDs - they use these funky Copy-protection schemes so you're not allowed to run them with no CD in the drive - hence Damaen tools and such for windows, which creates Virtual CD/DVD Drives - then the game co's find a way to fsck that up... and the workaround in windows is to disable all the Opticals in Device Mangler - hehehe |
| 16:43.29 | enouf | troubled: Yes - it's not the drive - but the software that does it |
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| 16:45.23 | troubled | enouf: i think there is some such on my device too |
| 16:45.46 | aldarsior | Hello, I just upgraded my Sun Clone (Ultrasparc IIi) to etch and it changed to xorg from xfree and now X doesn't work anymore :-( |
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| 16:47.02 | enouf | Dameon tools* <-- I think it's called - I only remember what others have reported - see club.cdfreaks.com for windows related game crud stuff like that - and workarounds and more general info about what these software co's do -I will never buy nor use that shit |
| 16:47.19 | aldarsior | the video card is a 3dLabs Permedia II 2D+3D |
| 16:47.20 | enouf | troubled: ^^ |
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| 16:47.42 | MustangMatt | Can I export X11 display if my client end is behind NAT? |
| 16:48.02 | benkong2 | I tried to install junior-programming using aptitude install junior-programming. It broke on depencencies of mzscheme. Now any time I install a program it tries to do the junior program install again. How can I stop that? |
| 16:48.04 | Guerin | MustangMatt: possible, but not easy |
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| 16:48.19 | Guerin | benkong2: use stable |
| 16:48.31 | MustangMatt | Guerin: Any pointers? I've done it when both ends are on the same network but not sure of how to handle NAT on one end. |
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| 16:48.56 | whadar | im running etch... ping localhost hangs... ifconfig -a shows interface lo_temp_t (???) what can i do? |
| 16:49.00 | Guerin | MustangMatt: oh, by client do you mean the terminal which will be serving x clients, or running the x server? |
| 16:49.08 | benkong2 | Guerin: ok...but is there a way to reverse what I have done without reinstalling? |
| 16:49.19 | Guerin | benkong2: apt-get -f install; |
| 16:49.26 | Ronin | aldarsior: reconfigure x? |
| 16:49.30 | benkong2 | Guerin: thanks |
| 16:49.34 | Guerin | benkong2: failing that, fix the deps yourself, or just wait for them to sort themselves out |
| 16:49.39 | aldarsior | Ronin: and do what? |
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| 16:49.47 | Ronin | !tell aldarsior about drxx |
| 16:49.53 | troubled | enouf: will have a look on daemon-tools info |
| 16:49.54 | MustangMatt | Guerin: The client is a cygwin shell that I've sshed to a server that will be running the application. |
| 16:50.06 | MustangMatt | A debian sarge server no less. |
| 16:50.15 | aldarsior | Ronin: I did that |
| 16:50.41 | Guerin | MustangMatt: x forwarding over ssh should work fine if the box running the X server can ssh out to the box running the x clients |
| 16:50.48 | aldarsior | I mean, it did it during install, and I did it again and disabled a bunch of stuff like gl and the kernel framebuffer |
| 16:50.58 | enouf | troubled: also google for sony rootkit - rootkitrevealer , blacklight , etc - see mark russinovich's blog over at sysinternals.com |
| 16:51.04 | aldarsior | the question is what should I change about my X config |
| 16:51.34 | troubled | enouf: thank you, that's valuable info |
| 16:52.04 | enouf | troubled: np - just hate how windows issues can leak into unix through virtualization |
| 16:52.29 | MustangMatt | Guerin: So I connect to the server like this: ssh -l root -Y 209.16.207.2 -b 192.168.65.143 Does that look reasonable? |
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| 16:53.29 | Led_Zeppelin | hey, anyone know how to build a initrd image? just compiled the kernel with NFS support built-in |
| 16:53.30 | RobHu | Is it possible to make a function that returns a set of more than one field? |
| 16:54.06 | whadar | ifup lo throws me SIOCSIFADDR: No such device LO |
| 16:54.16 | whadar | what's that? |
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| 16:54.55 | asg | whadar: modprobe lo |
| 16:54.57 | MustangMatt | Guerin: If that connection string looks okay, then the only part I'm confused about is what to export my DISPLAY. |
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| 16:56.02 | MustangMatt | Guerin: I think I got it. |
| 16:56.07 | MustangMatt | We'll see if firefox loads :) |
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| 16:56.52 | MatBoy | enouf, back again... still the same problem... mdadm /dev/sda1 no device found |
| 16:57.00 | aldarsior | Solved |
| 16:57.12 | aldarsior | Do I have to actually file a bug report to get this fixed? |
| 16:57.24 | Ronin | aldarsior: check the bts first |
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| 16:57.29 | aldarsior | that's annoying |
| 16:57.44 | aldarsior | the upgrade package mearly fails to delete the XF86Config-4 file |
| 16:57.48 | aldarsior | or rename |
| 16:57.49 | Ronin | well it is testing after all |
| 16:57.56 | aldarsior | I mean, I understand that |
| 16:58.06 | aldarsior | *shrug* |
| 16:58.18 | MatBoy | does mdadm check the device on uuid that it knows from the configfile ? |
| 16:58.45 | simonrvn | doesn't say in the man page? |
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| 16:59.33 | sputnik | is it possible to install etch from a thumb drive? |
| 16:59.55 | simonrvn | sputnik, so i hear |
| 17:00.40 | enouf | MatBoy: I've been (nay ...we've been) asking forever for a /etc/fstab - but nada, zilch, zippo |
| 17:00.46 | sputnik | ah, there it is, found it |
| 17:01.02 | MatBoy | enouf, yep, but that one is OK |
| 17:01.14 | MatBoy | enouf, it complains about a wrong uuid |
| 17:01.20 | simonrvn | i use UUID in fstab... |
| 17:01.21 | enouf | MatBoy: If these are SATS disks - what controller is it ? |
| 17:01.39 | enouf | MatBoy: see simonrvn's point |
| 17:01.49 | enouf | sata* |
| 17:02.29 | MatBoy | enouf, Intel, but I use Enchaced... so nothing from the controller with drivers and so on |
| 17:02.53 | enouf | MatBoy: intel what ? |
| 17:03.56 | whadar | modprobe lo -> FATAL: Module lo not found. |
| 17:03.59 | whadar | !!! |
| 17:04.00 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 17:04.10 | MatBoy | simonrvn, in fstab ? why that ? |
| 17:04.45 | infernix | o_O |
| 17:04.58 | infernix | i can use raid UUIDs instead of device pointers in fstab? |
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| 17:05.30 | simonrvn | uuids aren't just for raid devices |
| 17:05.48 | infernix | you mean LABEL= then? |
| 17:06.00 | enouf | whadar: i see loop only - no lo |
| 17:06.12 | whadar | ? |
| 17:06.20 | simonrvn | because uuids are unique for each partition, the system doesn't get confused if the devices change |
| 17:06.22 | enouf | ? |
| 17:06.23 | MatBoy | simonrvn, but what do you mean with it ? My mdadm is crashing on it and that is really raid-related |
| 17:06.27 | whadar | oh allright |
| 17:06.29 | simonrvn | no |
| 17:06.31 | infernix | thats great |
| 17:06.51 | simonrvn | UUID=gkwey8ogrt237yp3742rgigvbWhatever |
| 17:07.09 | infernix | where do i find a partitions UUID though? |
| 17:07.12 | whadar | hmm ifup lo still crashes... |
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| 17:07.44 | enouf | whadar: crashes eh ? you mean broken glass, crushed metal and everything |
| 17:07.47 | samuel | is there any way to make a user who can log-in through GDM but NOT access a terminal? |
| 17:07.48 | simonrvn | infernix: vol_id, in volume-id package, also in dumpe2fs |
| 17:08.03 | enouf | whadar: maybe you want ifup eth0 |
| 17:08.07 | simonrvn | could be volumeid the name |
| 17:08.08 | whadar | enouf: yep :) |
| 17:08.14 | whadar | no eth0 is fine |
| 17:08.24 | whadar | but something wrong with the loopback |
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| 17:08.49 | whadar | ping localhost for example hangs... ifconfig does not show lo interface |
| 17:08.52 | simonrvn | MatBoy: that's an issue you need to check |
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| 17:09.21 | enouf | infernixx - you should be able to grep them form lshal |
| 17:09.35 | enouf | infernix - oops |
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| 17:10.57 | MatBoy | simonrvn, yes, I understand, but where ? I only have it in my mdadm.conf for every MD |
| 17:11.01 | simonrvn | whadar: is lo up? doesn't look like it is |
| 17:11.18 | whadar | simonrvn: no it down... im trying to bring it up |
| 17:11.41 | enouf | infernix - maybe not - you may have to create them... apologies |
| 17:11.44 | simonrvn | MatBoy: scroll up, i just mentioned what tools can be used to look up the uuid |
| 17:11.46 | dfx- | where can i find the lpadmin binary? It doesn't seem to come up in an apt-cache search |
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| 17:12.03 | MatBoy | simonrvn, thanks a lot ! |
| 17:12.16 | ma3x | hello what's the name of the other most famous university in uk? the one is oxford, the other one is ?? |
| 17:12.19 | simonrvn | whadar: if it's already created in your interfaces file you just need to do a [sudo] ifup lo |
| 17:12.27 | asg | ma3x: cambridge |
| 17:12.34 | ma3x | thanks |
| 17:12.45 | ma3x | at what city are they? |
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| 17:12.46 | ma3x | london |
| 17:13.06 | whadar | simonrvn: ifup lo crash with SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 17:13.06 | simonrvn | one's at cambridge ;) |
| 17:13.07 | whadar | lo: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 17:13.12 | MatBoy | thanks for help all ! Be back later ! |
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| 17:13.28 | asg | whadar: does '/sbin/ifconfig -a' show lo at all? |
| 17:13.36 | simonrvn | whadar: then you need to load your NIC's driver |
| 17:13.53 | simonrvn | do what asg did first |
| 17:14.06 | Gromgull | a recent testing update has broken printing, cups now only says "Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds..." ... HP1020... sounds familiar to anyone? |
| 17:14.14 | asg | whadar: if it doesn't, whatever kernel you are running doesn't have loopback support |
| 17:14.42 | whadar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.03 | simonrvn | wth |
| 17:15.05 | asg | whadar: paste that output in a pasterbin please (the full output of /sbin/ifconfig -a) |
| 17:15.34 | simonrvn | sounds like an incomplete install or some other fuckage |
| 17:16.04 | asg | simonrvn: mine says fxp0 :p |
| 17:16.12 | simonrvn | nyah ;p |
| 17:16.18 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:16.27 | simonrvn | bbiab |
| 17:16.38 | whadar | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3710 |
| 17:16.45 | enouf | infernix: just to follow up - you can do something like 'udevinfo -q all -n /dev/hdc2' to get some unique info - usually used in /etc/udev/rules.d to uniquely separate similar devices - but a UUID can also be used - I just forget how to generate them for each partition |
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| 17:17.16 | asg | whadar: that's pretty whacked. Is this a debian kernel or self-compiled one? |
| 17:17.28 | whadar | lo_temp_t on google brings nothing... |
| 17:17.52 | whadar | it is an etch snapshot of 09/09 |
| 17:18.28 | asg | whadar: I'd try another or previous snapshot then. |
| 17:18.29 | whadar | another guy had similar issues... http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/06/msg00512.html |
| 17:18.48 | whadar | he just restarted... |
| 17:19.18 | asg | whadar: that could have been a number of things though. Try a different kernel on that snapshot perhaps. |
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| 17:20.29 | stew | whadar: you are running udev > 0.090? |
| 17:20.40 | whadar | 0.093-1 |
| 17:20.43 | whadar | yep |
| 17:21.12 | stew | whadar: it looks like your /etc/udev/rules.d/z24_persistent_net.rules or whatever needs to be fixed or blown away (so it is recreated) |
| 17:21.14 | abdo | hi |
| 17:21.19 | stew | err z25 |
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| 17:21.33 | DevilChaos | hi folks long time no speak |
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| 17:22.05 | infernix | enouf: cheers:) |
| 17:22.07 | DevilChaos | anyone in here use tuxnes emulater for the 8bit nintentdo ent sys? |
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| 17:22.17 | DevilChaos | or used |
| 17:22.19 | whadar | stew: i dont have this file! |
| 17:22.43 | enouf | infernix - no prob - I'm looking further into it myself |
| 17:22.44 | sysop | hey what are the chances of a ubuntu deb file working in sid? |
| 17:22.51 | sysop | is there a converter program? |
| 17:23.01 | stew | whadar: it shoudl be /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 17:23.01 | asg | sysop: try it and see. If it blows up, you get to keep both halves |
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| 17:23.19 | stew | whadar: if you don't have that, do you have z45_persistent-net-generator.rules ? |
| 17:23.31 | sysop | thanks, but no thanks, I just wanted to get an informed opiinion. |
| 17:23.35 | whadar | oh... right i have the z25... |
| 17:23.36 | stew | sysop: "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" but use ubuntu sources instead of sid |
| 17:23.57 | MustangMatt | Anyone know of a good channel to discuss X11 forwarding? |
| 17:24.04 | sysop | really? |
| 17:24.14 | DevilChaos | stew: have you ever used tuxnes? |
| 17:24.20 | stew | DevilChaos: never heard of it |
| 17:24.23 | sysop | so get a ubuntu source deb. |
| 17:24.32 | sysop | ? |
| 17:24.48 | DevilChaos | i donloaded it from the freshports.com |
| 17:24.52 | stew | sysop: add a deb-src line to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:24.56 | whadar | stew: i think it is not configured well... |
| 17:24.59 | DevilChaos | has make files install and configure |
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| 17:25.14 | sysop | thanks. |
| 17:25.15 | DevilChaos | this is little tricky for me to install |
| 17:25.21 | whadar | it define eth0 and eth1, though i have only eth0 |
| 17:25.27 | sysop | will try this on the next box I install. |
| 17:25.48 | sysop | there was something that only had a ubuntu deb I cant remeber what it was. |
| 17:25.55 | samuel | ive managed to screw up my xorg config, but dpkg-reconfigure keeps telling me ive custumized it so it wont write the new config, any way around that? |
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| 17:26.15 | sysop | try using dexconf |
| 17:26.17 | stew | whadar: remove this file, rename the bogusly named interfaces: "ip link set sit0_temp name sit0 ; ip link set lo_temp_temp name lo "; then restart udev |
| 17:26.18 | whadar | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3711 |
| 17:26.32 | sysop | or if you have an nvidia use nvidia-xconfig |
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| 17:26.47 | DevilChaos | cd 'd to dir after unpacking ./configure then make then make install |
| 17:26.59 | sysop | either one will regenerate your xorg based on the hardware it thinks you have. |
| 17:27.23 | DevilChaos | get a few error messages though ill paste them in pastebin |
| 17:27.24 | whadar | ip link? |
| 17:27.36 | whadar | stew: what's the command? |
| 17:27.57 | sysop | samuel tell me if it helped you. btw what video card do you have? |
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| 17:28.19 | margiolas | special parametres for grub in order to load debian because now it stalls because it can't recognize my hard disk and myby my touchpad? |
| 17:28.20 | roger21 | hi |
| 17:28.28 | samuel | sysop, intel i810 |
| 17:28.34 | sysop | ugh. |
| 17:28.43 | sysop | get a nvidia gf4 for like $20 |
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| 17:28.49 | stew | whadar: which command? |
| 17:28.49 | roger21 | how i can change the delay after a wrong login in pam ? |
| 17:29.10 | roger21 | (i'd like to supress it) |
| 17:29.17 | whadar | stew: sorry needed sbin in path |
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| 17:29.19 | sysop | I have two geforce 4's in the box I am on right now. |
| 17:29.37 | sysop | with 2 21inch displays. screw that lcd crap. |
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| 17:29.42 | stew | whadar: oh, i guess ip moved, it used to be in /usr/bin/ |
| 17:29.43 | samuel | sysop, i do, on my desktop... but im not getting a new laptop till i really see a need for faster :) |
| 17:29.45 | masadd | is flash9 out for linux?... |
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| 17:30.12 | sysop | have you seen those pcmcia video cards? |
| 17:30.22 | sysop | they also have usb video cards. |
| 17:30.22 | samuel | sysop, thanks about dexconf, worked perfect |
| 17:30.27 | sysop | sweet. |
| 17:30.27 | simonrvn | masadd: flash 8 isn't so no |
| 17:30.31 | masadd | k |
| 17:30.50 | stew | simonrvn: flash 9 is likely to come out before flash 8 |
| 17:31.03 | samuel | sysop, thanks about the tip, im logging off to start gdm |
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| 17:31.27 | simonrvn | stew: isn't there an 8? i thought there was |
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| 17:31.44 | stew | simonrvn: yes, but not for linux, and there never will be a flash 8 for linux apparantly |
| 17:31.54 | stew | simonrvn: i believe there might be a flash 9 but never a flash 8 |
| 17:31.58 | simonrvn | yeh, i know |
| 17:31.59 | stew | (for linux at least) |
| 17:32.03 | simonrvn | ah i see |
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| 17:32.39 | sysop | the more I use debian the less I want to use my winodws laptop. damn non-existant linux gps software. |
| 17:32.49 | sysop | good software that is. |
| 17:32.58 | cydork | sysop: have tried gpd drive? |
| 17:33.09 | cydork | s/gpd/gps/ |
| 17:33.14 | simonrvn | dunno if it's good ;) |
| 17:33.18 | sysop | does it have a huge database of places like mappoint? |
| 17:33.21 | sysop | I wish |
| 17:33.36 | cydork | sysop: i dont know about mappoint so i cant say |
| 17:33.40 | sysop | I could find something for linux that would read mappoint or streets and trips data files. |
| 17:33.53 | cydork | sysop: but it's nice and can be used with kismet ;) |
| 17:33.56 | sysop | like how big is the map install? over a gigi? |
| 17:34.18 | DevilChaos | stew: will you come into #paste please and ill show the messages see what you think? |
| 17:34.33 | sysop | I need to try to get them to run under wine. but I have been lazy. |
| 17:34.40 | simonrvn | i should get around to doing dialup ip blocking in my mta, would block a lot of these shenanigan zombie hosts from connecting.. |
| 17:34.47 | whadar | stew: :/ cant find ip app... |
| 17:34.59 | stew | whadar: install the iproute |
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| 17:36.17 | DevilChaos | sorry got booted |
| 17:36.42 | whadar | stew: 10x |
| 17:37.05 | FernandoMM | karsten: hello. I don't know if you remeber, but we were talking about ha on debian yesterday. Well i have setup a load balance + apache cluster + file sync with uniso. When i stop the master server it takes about 1 minute to the second server assume, is there a way to reduce this time? |
| 17:37.23 | usn | hi there |
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| 17:37.40 | sysop | hey I have this wierd serial device. whats a good program to play with it? you know activate a pin at a time and stuff like that. |
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| 17:39.04 | cyzie | has anyone install netinst on 64bit box? |
| 17:39.08 | sysop | no serial hackers left in #debian. all die of old age? o |
| 17:39.42 | stew | cyzie: lots of people |
| 17:39.44 | moshii | sysop: hmm you can do that in c easily |
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| 17:40.16 | sysop | I know I dont know c but am a good programmer. you know of a good c serial primer? |
| 17:40.17 | cyzie | stew, alright, i have burn the netinst x64 iso to a disk. when i boot up the dell poweredge 2950 , it just |
| 17:40.21 | cyzie | "stall" there |
| 17:40.28 | cyzie | stew, alright, i have burn the netinst x64 iso to a disk. when i boot up the dell poweredge 2950 , it just "stall" there |
| 17:40.41 | LinuxHelp | Hi what does the "xen" mean in the new testing kernel image packages? |
| 17:40.45 | moshii | sysop: hmm, google linux serial port |
| 17:40.57 | whadar | how to restart udev? |
| 17:41.02 | stew | cyzie: boot with "linux26" and you'll get farther, but your network card won't be supported, you need a newer kernel than what is available for sarge |
| 17:41.06 | stew | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 17:41.06 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 17:41.17 | stew | cyzie: ^^ use the d-i from the kmuto.jp site above |
| 17:41.40 | sysop | ok will look. but its hard for to me tell good from bad tutorials since I dont know anything about c. perl yes, php yes, bash yes. mysql yes. |
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| 17:42.07 | cyzie | stew, i cant even see the debian screen. |
| 17:42.09 | cydork | sysop: try http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-Programming-HOWTO/ |
| 17:42.21 | moshii | sysop: the are a big bunch of defines in the headers that make it pretty easily going |
| 17:42.22 | cyzie | it just pause there after the POST and RAID checking |
| 17:42.39 | stew | cyzie: use the kmuto.jp image. i used it to install to a 2950 yesterday |
| 17:42.55 | cyzie | woot |
| 17:42.57 | sysop | you guys rock. |
| 17:43.02 | moshii | sysop: you might be able to find a perl thingymobo that'll left you get access to the serial port |
| 17:43.06 | whadar | stew: dont think i've restarted udev but ifup lo is now working! |
| 17:43.17 | whadar | thanks for the help guys |
| 17:43.39 | sysop | I have looked in the past, but havnt looked recently. I am suprsied there is no tool to help people play with serial ports. |
| 17:43.44 | stew | whadar: yes, renaming the interface would have changed the name, hopefully the next time udev restarts you end up with a more valid z25_persistent-net.rules file |
| 17:43.44 | sysop | like a testing tool. |
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| 17:44.14 | LinuxHelp | like for instance linux-image-2.6.17-2-xen-k7, what does the xen mean here? |
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| 17:44.39 | moshii | LinuxHelp: xen is a virtual machine system |
| 17:44.46 | LinuxHelp | thx |
| 17:44.49 | sysop | I know usb has a thing like that. I forget the name of it. but it allows you to read and write raw from your usb ports. |
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| 17:45.10 | cyzie | stew, http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/2.6.16/amd64/sarge-custom-0722.iso // this one ? |
| 17:45.11 | xaka | i try to launch sshd: "sshd" and give this error: "/var/run/sshd must be owned by root and not group or world-writable" - what's wrong? |
| 17:45.27 | stew | cyzie: iirc there is an 0801 |
| 17:45.47 | asg | xaka: look at the permissions of /var/run/sshd |
| 17:45.51 | xaka | ./var/run/sshd - empty, owned by root and group root. Hmm....i don't understand |
| 17:46.08 | xaka | asg: drwxrwxr-x |
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| 17:46.16 | enouf | sysop: an idea perhaps 'apt-cache search -n serial' |
| 17:46.17 | asg | xaka: it's group writable. It shouldn't be |
| 17:46.25 | asg | xaka: chmod 755 /var/run/sshd |
| 17:46.25 | stew | cyzie: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/2.6.16/amd64/sarge-custom-0801.iso |
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| 17:46.37 | cyzie | thank stew |
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| 17:49.49 | sysop | let me tell you about this device. its a light that lights up when you have emali. at least thats what the software does under windows. I wanted to write a linux driver but thea** who runs the development there said he would not release any hardware specs. |
| 17:50.26 | zinx | what interface does it use, again? |
| 17:50.31 | DevilChaos | stew:come intoi #paste now? |
| 17:50.31 | moshii | sysop: is it usb? |
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| 17:50.50 | sysop | damn good idea. |
| 17:50.53 | sysop | thanks. |
| 17:51.12 | zinx | serial? hum, just send random stuff to it. |
| 17:51.13 | sysop | no serial |
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| 17:51.27 | moshii | sysop: use a serial logger |
| 17:51.38 | sysop | I treid that under dos and it didnt work, the sending stuff to it. |
| 17:51.47 | zinx | never turned on? |
| 17:51.49 | moshii | sysop: and reverse the protocol |
| 17:51.50 | sysop | nope. |
| 17:52.02 | sysop | never tried sniffing the serial. |
| 17:52.20 | troubled | sysop: why not there are cool messages! |
| 17:52.24 | troubled | lol |
| 17:52.39 | troubled | but first filter noise! |
| 17:52.43 | troubled | :) |
| 17:53.10 | sysop | I mean all it does is flash, it cant be that complex. |
| 17:53.11 | zinx | it probably just turns on when some control line gets set high |
| 17:53.20 | sysop | huh what do you mean troubled? |
| 17:53.28 | DevilChaos | sysop: could you look at this output please tell me what you think went wrong im trying to install an emulater for the 8 bit nintendo? |
| 17:53.33 | DevilChaos | in #paste |
| 17:53.41 | sysop | thats what I am thinking. turning on and off a line at a time. |
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| 17:53.58 | moshii | sysop: why not just hook a battery up to the lines? |
| 17:54.01 | sysop | sure, |
| 17:54.07 | stew | cyzie: please ask questins in channel so others can help / benefit |
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| 17:54.13 | stew | DevilChaos: can you put it into a pastebin? |
| 17:54.15 | moshii | sysop: save writing an application |
| 17:54.24 | lsl23 | How does passwd encrypt passwords, I am using nss-mysql, I can encyrpt it with passwd, but I would rather do it from a script. |
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| 17:54.30 | cyzie | stew, i dont have irc nor ssh access at company |
| 17:54.35 | asg | sysop: also ##hardware might have some pointers as well as the linux device drivers book available at oreilly.com/openbook. |
| 17:54.45 | moshii | sysop: or buy a breakout box and watch the lines on that |
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| 17:55.31 | cyzie | thanks guys. night |
| 17:55.52 | yang | this identd query goes on port 114 ? So if i forward 114 from the gateway to the NATed machine on port 114 it should work? |
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| 17:56.30 | DevilChaos | sysop:sorry got booted again |
| 17:56.32 | asg | yang: ident should be 113/tcp |
| 17:56.58 | madclicker | on etch, i have noticed that kernel 2.6.17 is available. Does anyone know if smp kernel build is stil available? |
| 17:57.02 | DevilChaos | some of the lines in the paste must react as a command in my irc client |
| 17:57.16 | jeeves_Moss | all: can any one give me a hand with this adaptor? it's a "1131:1001 Integrated System Solution Corp." |
| 17:57.30 | moshii | madclicker: use apt-cache search, or packages.debian.org |
| 17:57.46 | possie | xaka: you can use the debian sapt command :-) http://blog.stevenkroon.com/2006/09/12/debian-sapt/ |
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| 17:58.38 | madclicker | moshii, i did that but there used to be a 686-smp built with 2.6.16, it is not there with 2.6.17 |
| 17:58.54 | madclicker | multiprocessor support |
| 18:00.12 | jeeves_Moss | all: anyone able to help me with this adaptor issue? |
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| 18:00.41 | klork | hullo all |
| 18:00.52 | moshii | madclicker: it's very possible that it just hasn't been built/uploaded yet |
| 18:00.57 | jeeves_Moss | Klork: hello |
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| 18:03.31 | newbie | hi all |
| 18:03.38 | jeeves_Moss | newbie: hello |
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| 18:04.21 | BucWheat | hi all. how do you search for packages on backports.org? |
| 18:04.43 | BucWheat | i want to apt-get ploticus-2.33 and it is currently in unstable branch |
| 18:04.53 | BucWheat | i'd rather d/l it from backports if it is available |
| 18:04.58 | newbie | i have a litle trouble: my usb flash drive works with ~10Kb/sec speed. how i can increase its speed? |
| 18:05.12 | newbie | debian testing with kernel 2.6.15 |
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| 18:06.17 | itguru | Guys.... can I get a recommendation from you all? I'm looking for a groupware suite - that allows photos of contacts to be saved, as well as all contact info, and can be accessed from OSX, XP, Linux, and a web interface, any ideas? |
| 18:06.31 | Spark | cups is refusing to print in a4 after a dist-upgrade |
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| 18:07.03 | Spark | even with "lpr -o media=a4" the printer complains that its been sent a page in US letter |
| 18:07.17 | Spark | the ps file im printing has a media of a4 |
| 18:07.21 | Spark | gv shows it at the top |
| 18:07.57 | Spark | where is the us letter configuration coming from |
| 18:08.26 | asg | Spark: what is in /etc/papersize? |
| 18:08.35 | Spark | a4 |
| 18:09.08 | Spark | is there a way to get cups to translate everything it receives to a4 |
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| 18:09.19 | Spark | that would eliminate a problem with gv or the .ps file |
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| 18:11.15 | madclicker | moshii, the "-smp" has been droped |
| 18:11.25 | madclicker | it's all in one now |
| 18:11.44 | Spark | hmm the cups web interface says its printing in a4 |
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| 18:13.38 | troubled | Spark: i assume your problem lies in one of your printer-spooler configurations rather than in cups which is just one type of printer-spooler, you say you print with lpr/lprng this is another spooler! |
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| 18:14.24 | Spark | troubled: so how are those configured? |
| 18:14.32 | Spark | cups is installed locally, the printer is on the network |
| 18:14.45 | Spark | i thought lpr was part of cups and that was the whole picture |
| 18:15.30 | Spark | why is cups sending us letter printouts to a print that ive specified can only take a4 |
| 18:15.37 | Spark | (to a printer) |
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| 18:15.49 | BucWheat | what is up with backports.org? i can't apt-get anything from there |
| 18:15.57 | teardrop`afk | BucWheat: :( |
| 18:16.05 | troubled | Spark: nope, i myself have cups installed and expected the same but my local printer is accessible only in lpr/lprng |
| 18:16.21 | Spark | what is lpr/lprng |
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| 18:17.03 | troubled | Spark: printer-spooler backend or frontend or some such i don't know |
| 18:17.09 | asg | Spark: lpr (BSD printing model) ; lp (SYSV printing model) ; lprng (newish rewrite) |
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| 18:17.33 | troubled | local printer =lpr |
| 18:17.49 | asg | Spark: this is further complicated by the fact that cups wraps these standard components with its own lp/lpr (depending on cupsys-bsd or cupsys-client) |
| 18:18.09 | sysop | moshi thanks for the tips. |
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| 18:18.30 | sysop | i was in paste while you were mesging me. |
| 18:18.33 | Spark | right |
| 18:18.34 | Spark | spark@stealth:~$ dpkg -S `which lpr` |
| 18:18.34 | Spark | cupsys-bsd: /usr/bin/lpr |
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| 18:18.51 | Spark | so how do i configure the bit in the middle? |
| 18:18.55 | asg | Spark: that wrapped version should print to any defined cups printer irrespective of its locality |
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| 18:20.18 | Spark | if it uses /etc/printcap then cups controls that too |
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| 18:21.02 | BucWheat | ok backports does not have the package i need: ploticus-2.33-2 what is the proper way to apt-get this from unstable? |
| 18:21.11 | asg | BucWheat: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:21.20 | BucWheat | asg k |
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| 18:22.09 | Spark | all this has happened because of a dist-upgrade :/ |
| 18:22.14 | anisfarhana | hello all , greetings :D |
| 18:22.50 | anisfarhana | how to install ssl package from the shell ? |
| 18:23.02 | asg | Spark: if you are running etch or sid, this is expect to happen frequently |
| 18:23.11 | Spark | its testing |
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| 18:25.33 | digits | I have a problem, I cannot start lighttpd with /etc/init.d/lighttpd start - is this a bug? all i can find is bug reports on restart, but i can't even start mine |
| 18:26.00 | asg | digits: it might be a bug. It likely depends on what the error is. What's the error? |
| 18:26.04 | eide | digits: what happens when you try? |
| 18:26.14 | digits | eide: nothing |
| 18:26.17 | nvz | asg: that depends on which of the 300+ ssl packages you want to install |
| 18:26.23 | nvz | anisfarhana: ^ |
| 18:26.39 | asg | digits: did you check its logs? Did you check /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/README*? |
| 18:26.46 | anisfarhana | nvz: >|< |
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| 18:27.00 | anisfarhana | nvz: got it , just apachel-ssl and openssl |
| 18:27.08 | anisfarhana | done installing it via apt-get , thanks #debian |
| 18:27.23 | nvz | anisfarhana: there are ssl packages for just about every net application out the not to mention libraries for various languages |
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| 18:28.18 | digits | eide: nothing in the logs, and it sais lighttpd -f config to start in the background, but in my sillyness i thought that it'd start with the start stop daemon since it ships with a script for it |
| 18:28.37 | erichapkido | Hello, how do I get m4a to work in gstreamer .10? |
| 18:29.17 | possie | is there away to make tcpdump print the protocol for each packet? |
| 18:29.18 | eide | digits: you should write to asg, I don't know shit |
| 18:29.34 | digits | eide: that makes two of us ;P |
| 18:29.47 | raf256 | dam |
| 18:29.48 | raf256 | damn |
| 18:29.56 | digits | asg: nothing in the logs, and it sais lighttpd -f config to start in the background, but in my sillyness i thought that it'd start with the start stop daemon since it ships with a script for it |
| 18:30.03 | digits | mismatch earlier... i blame the fever |
| 18:30.19 | raf256 | for Intel Celeron 64 bit, which Debian 64 bit distro I should download? IA64? AMD64? ETH64(or how was it called)? |
| 18:31.12 | masadd | i guess ia64 |
| 18:31.24 | moshii | raf256: EMT64 |
| 18:31.35 | Gathond | ia64 is itanium, so that is definetly not it |
| 18:31.38 | moshii | masadd: IA64 is totally different |
| 18:31.39 | raf256 | I downloaded ia64 and it didn't boot |
| 18:31.46 | masadd | i was guessing...sorry |
| 18:31.47 | raf256 | so there are 3 different types? |
| 18:31.59 | raf256 | I thought there are two types, amd and non-amd(intell) |
| 18:32.05 | moshii | raf256: intel 64bit x86 cpu's are EMT64 |
| 18:32.14 | raf256 | so what is IA64? |
| 18:32.25 | moshii | raf256: Then IA64 is intel but isn't x86 |
| 18:32.25 | raf256 | and where can I download EMT64 debian testing? |
| 18:32.27 | Gathond | raf256: there are intel and AMD (x86) and then thre is ia64 (intel itanium) |
| 18:32.48 | SlipperyChicken | holy crap. this channel is huge now. :) |
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| 18:33.08 | raf256 | Gathond: emt64 for intel 64 bit cpu; amd64 for amd64; ia64 for titanium speciall 64 bit cpu thingy? |
| 18:33.10 | stew | raf256: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer download the amd64 version |
| 18:33.23 | raf256 | stew: Isn't amd64 for AMD 64 only? |
| 18:33.34 | moshii | don't emt64 and amd64 systems run the same userland anyhow.. |
| 18:33.43 | Gathond | raf256: emt64 is for 64 bit x86 CPU's from intel yeah |
| 18:33.46 | stew | raf256: no |
| 18:33.56 | moshii | raf256: even the semprons are 64bit capable now :) |
| 18:34.02 | raf256 | holly crap it should be claryfied on the www site more. can I download the .html (or some source of it) of the debian.org site and contribute a small .diff which my idea of clearing this up? |
| 18:34.08 | Gathond | raf256: and ia64 is itanium (a whole different 64 bit CPU architecture) |
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| 18:34.41 | raf256 | how to contribute to www.debian.org www site? |
| 18:35.01 | stew | raf256: use reportbug to open a wishlist bug against the www.debian.org virtual package |
| 18:35.20 | raf256 | stew: the package name is "www.debian.org" ? how to check the .. uhm, version of it/ |
| 18:35.21 | BucWheat | i'm trying to install libgd2-noxpm_2.0.33-5.1_i386.deb which is a dep for ploticus-2.33 and i get this error: libgd2-xpm (version 2.0.33-1.1sarge1) is installed. |
| 18:35.21 | BucWheat | dpkg: error processing libgd2-noxpm_2.0.33-5.1_i386.deb (--install): |
| 18:35.21 | BucWheat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.30 | BucWheat | how do i fix this? |
| 18:35.35 | anisfarhana | ah |
| 18:35.37 | stew | raf256: the package name is www.debian.org, there is no version |
| 18:35.38 | anisfarhana | SSL-Support: No openssl found. Get openssl at www.openssl.org |
| 18:35.44 | anisfarhana | nvz: what cause that ? |
| 18:35.45 | raf256 | stew: thanks |
| 18:35.50 | BucWheat | asg i followed the instructions given by dpkg |
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| 18:37.05 | vehbi | I have 915GM mobile graphics card on my laptop,I couldnt find any instructions for 3D support , do you know any document? or can you tell me what to do |
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| 18:37.23 | troubled | anisfarhana: just apt-get install openssl |
| 18:37.24 | asg | BucWheat: you can use dpkg --force-help (and override it) or stick the new deb in /var/apt/cache/archives and apt-get install it (the dependancies should resolve themselves) |
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| 18:37.36 | BucWheat | ok |
| 18:37.45 | anisfarhana | troubled: already do that , newest version already install |
| 18:37.47 | roger21 | are the last initscript + sysv-rc upgrade for sid safe ? |
| 18:38.00 | nvz | anisfarhana: I have no idea you are the one who typed the command to generate the error |
| 18:38.18 | anisfarhana | nvz: compiling psybnc on my debian box sir |
| 18:38.21 | nvz | anisfarhana: this isnt like command line / error message jeopardy is it? |
| 18:38.36 | anisfarhana | nvz: i will show you the logs |
| 18:38.38 | asg | nvz: I'll take PEBCAK for a hundred Alex |
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| 18:38.53 | BucWheat | asg /var/apt/cache/archives does not exist for me |
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| 18:39.09 | asg | BucWheat: sorry, /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:39.14 | anisfarhana | nvz: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/E9M5ql55.html |
| 18:39.21 | nvz | anisfarhana: i'd say you are missing the libssl-dev package one of the 338 packages in testing for ssl |
| 18:39.38 | nvz | anisfarhana: this is why I asked you earlier wtf you were talking about when you say you need ssl |
| 18:40.12 | nvz | asg: ;) |
| 18:40.34 | BucWheat | asg i put it in there and this is what i get: E: Couldn't find package libgd2-noxpm_2.0.33-5.1 |
| 18:40.38 | anisfarhana | don't get mad at me nvz :( |
| 18:40.49 | anisfarhana | blaming newbies is not really good though ;p |
| 18:41.00 | asg | BucWheat: apt-get install the ploticus deb. If that doesn't work, you'll have to override with dpkg |
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| 18:41.32 | nvz | anisfarhana: asking people which ssl package you need to install when there are hundreds of different ssl packages and not saying what you need it for isnt good either |
| 18:41.33 | BucWheat | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 5.0.0) libgd2-noxpm-dev |
| 18:41.36 | Detox | cannot gt a prism2 pcmcia card to work ,, get lsot of errors for hostap on boot ,,, arrrgggggg help plzzz |
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| 18:41.52 | Detox | kernel 2.6.15 |
| 18:41.56 | anisfarhana | nvz: i know , my bad and sorry |
| 18:42.32 | asg | BucWheat: oh, I thought you had already built the ploticus deb. |
| 18:42.44 | BucWheat | asg it will not let me until i satisfy that dep |
| 18:42.59 | anisfarhana | nvz: do u have any idea how to instal libssl packages ? |
| 18:43.03 | asg | BucWheat: if that deb isn't available in sarge, then you need to backport it also. |
| 18:43.03 | nvz | there are like 79 different ssl development packages |
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| 18:43.23 | nvz | anisfarhana: apt-get install |
| 18:43.26 | BucWheat | asg that is what i did and it gives me the error i posted earlier about conflicting with an existing version |
| 18:43.34 | nvz | anisfarhana: apt-get install libssl-dev |
| 18:43.35 | anisfarhana | nvz: apt-get install libssl-dev ? |
| 18:43.36 | BucWheat | so i put it in /var/cache/apt/archive |
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| 18:43.52 | MustangMatt | What's the bot command to get info on how to find out what package includes a certain file? |
| 18:43.54 | cydork | anisfarhana, what install or compile rather? |
| 18:43.56 | nvz | anisfarhana: if you are building something depending on libssl you want libssl dev not libssl. |
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| 18:44.24 | anisfarhana | cydork: compiling is not really good for newbies like me |
| 18:44.42 | cydork | anisfarhana, so you are installing? |
| 18:44.58 | MustangMatt | As in, what package includes xauth |
| 18:45.01 | anisfarhana | cydork: yes installing |
| 18:45.06 | erichapkido | How come I can play an .m4a in totem, but not in rhythmbox or anyother player? |
| 18:45.32 | BucWheat | asg are you caught up now :) |
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| 18:46.40 | cydork | anisfarhana, is that some script? if yes just see how it's checking for open-ssl and do a apt-file search for that file. |
| 18:47.43 | sibarra | is any way to add some compilation flags to apt-build or what is the right way? |
| 18:47.59 | anisfarhana | async-DNS-Support: Yes. |
| 18:48.00 | anisfarhana | SSL-Support: Yes. |
| 18:48.01 | anisfarhana | yay! |
| 18:48.05 | anisfarhana | thanks cydork / nvz |
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| 18:48.11 | xstasi | hi |
| 18:48.17 | xstasi | i'm having a strange problem with apt... |
| 18:48.31 | xstasi | hfsutils is already the newest version. |
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| 18:48.36 | cydork | sibarra, in apt-build.conf |
| 18:48.42 | xstasi | eye:~# dpkg -L hsfutils |
| 18:48.42 | xstasi | Package `hsfutils' is not installed. |
| 18:48.49 | xstasi | can someone explain this? |
| 18:49.05 | nvz | erichapkido: because rhythmbox doesnt support anything but like flac, mp3 and ogg |
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| 18:49.16 | troubled | erichapkido: .m4a video or audio ? w32codecs is by default available to totem and xine but not other programs, go read manual for rhythmbox, perhaps there is an option with wich it can find the right codec! |
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| 18:49.26 | ft | xstasi: hsfutils is not installed. |
| 18:49.39 | ft | xstasi: oh :) |
| 18:49.42 | xstasi | but if i apt-get install it |
| 18:49.43 | sibarra | cydork: but, for a particular package? I need compile gaim with silc support |
| 18:49.43 | erichapkido | nvz: ive gotten to work before in other distros |
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| 18:49.47 | xstasi | it says it's at the newest version |
| 18:49.49 | nvz | rhythem box uses gstreamer and you would need a gstreamer plugin for it |
| 18:49.50 | ft | xstasi: should have read all your lines. |
| 18:49.54 | xstasi | i tried to --reinstall install it |
| 18:49.58 | xstasi | it reinstalled it |
| 18:49.59 | simonrvn | xstasi, ft: um, hfs |
| 18:50.00 | xstasi | but same problem. |
| 18:50.06 | erichapkido | troubled: audio and it turns out that totem doesnt want to play it either |
| 18:50.16 | erichapkido | although, totem has been having troubles anyways |
| 18:50.55 | cydork | sibarra, well you can use a differnt config file or there is a option for command line too i guess |
| 18:50.56 | nvz | erichapkido: congratulations see that gstreamer-blah-plugins-good depends on flac, mp3, and vorbis libraries and not m4a |
| 18:51.01 | cydork | sibarra, man apt-build :) |
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| 18:51.11 | nvz | erichapkido: install a proper gstreamer plugin for that format and it will work |
| 18:51.21 | enouf | xtasi : typo on your part apt-cache show hfsutils |
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| 18:51.22 | nvz | erichapkido: in all gstreamer applications.. nautilus and all |
| 18:51.30 | erichapkido | nvz: ive got good, bad, ugly, and base installed |
| 18:51.31 | xstasi | unable to locate hsfutils |
| 18:51.33 | erichapkido | still nothing |
| 18:51.35 | xstasi | what the hell.. |
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| 18:52.03 | enouf | xstasi: strike 2 |
| 18:52.09 | xstasi | ? |
| 18:52.10 | sibarra | cydork: ok, i reread the man pages |
| 18:52.12 | enouf | carew toy try again ? |
| 18:52.17 | enouf | care to* |
| 18:52.18 | asg | xstasi: try hfsutils perhaps? |
| 18:52.29 | xstasi | ops sorry |
| 18:52.39 | xstasi | doh!! |
| 18:52.43 | xstasi | what an horrible typo |
| 18:52.45 | enouf | :-p |
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| 18:53.38 | xstasi | sorry :P |
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| 18:53.45 | nvz | erichapkido: which in no way provides m4a support. ugly depends on libmpeg2-4 but that only provides support for mpeg1 and 2 video |
| 18:53.45 | Octave_Octet | Hi. I am using debian unstable and since Friday my sound is not working. arts tell me that device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or directory). I AM AWARE OF THE SYSVRC bug and I used the script supplied in the last version for reinstalling package. But it has not fixed my problem. Any idea ? |
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| 18:53.57 | ma3x | why is the text in xmms so small? |
| 18:54.02 | ma3x | where can I set it larger? |
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| 18:54.14 | troubled | erichapkido: install w32codecs! configure totem or xine ! |
| 18:54.32 | Octave_Octet | ma3x: Options > Preferences > fonts |
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| 18:54.39 | erichapkido | troubles: where do i get w32codecs? |
| 18:54.42 | Octave_Octet | ma3x: Beware this menu is ugly :) |
| 18:54.48 | cydork | !w32codecs |
| 18:54.49 | dpkg | from memory, w32codecs is a package that is not in Debian due to legal issues. The package provides numerous codecs for popular (but proprietary) multimedia formats, such as AVI, realmedia, and windows media. Ask me about <marillat> or <debian-multimedia> for more information on how to get support for these formats in debian. |
| 18:54.53 | cydork | erichapkido, ^^ |
| 18:55.07 | ma3x | its at 14 |
| 18:55.10 | ma3x | but its so small though |
| 18:55.12 | ma3x | what do I do? |
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| 18:55.42 | enouf | ma3x: beware tezt is tiny :-p |
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| 18:55.48 | Octave_Octet | Try to increase it (maybe it needs to be restarted) (mine is at 10, small but readable) |
| 18:55.48 | enouf | text even |
| 18:55.55 | b00 | lo |
| 18:56.18 | b00 | what is the name of the tool that builds debs ? |
| 18:56.38 | cydork | b00, apt-build? |
| 18:56.41 | disasm | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 18:56.51 | disasm | b00: ^ |
| 18:56.53 | b00 | ok |
| 18:56.56 | b00 | thank you |
| 18:56.56 | enouf | ma3x: I use my telescope to read it - otherwise I click blindly |
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| 18:57.20 | cydork | ma3x, borrow enouf's telescope :) |
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| 18:59.37 | Detox | any suggestions for mn520 pcmcia wireless nic? ndiswrapper will not wrok |
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| 19:00.41 | nvz | Detox: try using it for a door stop? |
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| 19:01.54 | anisfarhana | nvz: door stop ? that rubber thing ? |
| 19:02.26 | nvz | whatever stops your door, I always say |
| 19:03.10 | nvz | that is when I am not saying something like whatever pulls your bandwagon |
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| 19:03.28 | nvz | or whoever drives your train, or something like that |
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| 19:03.41 | nvz | rides/drives.. its all the same |
| 19:03.48 | erichapkido | nvz: ok, i install w32codecs from debian-multimedia but it still doesn't let me play m4a |
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| 19:04.21 | nvz | erichapkido: duh because w32codecs are windows 32 codecs for crying out loud not gstreamer plugins |
| 19:04.56 | nvz | erichapkido: NOTE: GSTREAMER SUCKS and sure as hell doesnt read windows dynamic link libraries |
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| 19:05.14 | erichapkido | nvz: then what do you recommend using besides gstreamer? |
| 19:05.21 | troubled | erichapkido: get w32codecs for xine or totem gstreamer-plugins for rhythmbox or some other gnome player |
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| 19:05.33 | nvz | erichapkido: for ryhtmbox? nothing. these apps are using gstreamer |
| 19:05.58 | cydork | erichapkido, get mplayer :) |
| 19:06.01 | nvz | erichapkido: w32codecs supports w4a but only for apps that can read codecs in that format |
| 19:06.21 | erichapkido | nvz: the thing is, i remember playing m4a in totem so i know it works |
| 19:06.28 | troubled | erichapkido: if you instlaled w32codecs try playing it with totem |
| 19:06.35 | disasm | the grub hooks for kernel installs, where do they find the root partition to append to the kernel? |
| 19:06.41 | erichapkido | troubled: totem dies because of some X error |
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| 19:06.57 | nvz | erichapkido: totem-gstreamer or totem-xine... ? |
| 19:07.08 | erichapkido | nvz: no idea, but xine doesnt play it either |
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| 19:07.29 | whaq | hello gents |
| 19:07.31 | nvz | erichapkido: it will with w32codecs as it reads those |
| 19:07.34 | whaq | are there any good tools to (semi) automate maintenance of LVM volumes? |
| 19:07.47 | erichapkido | nvz: well it dies when i try to load it |
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| 19:08.05 | troubled | erichapkido: how did you install w32codecs ? |
| 19:08.21 | erichapkido | i added the debian-multimedia.org repo and installed it |
| 19:08.27 | erichapkido | im on etch if that helps |
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| 19:08.50 | nvz | its possible the file you have might be corrupted |
| 19:09.00 | nvz | I've had files that crash my player too |
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| 19:09.27 | troubled | erichapkido: i'm on edge too, but did you use apt-get or aptitude ? i recommend aptitude |
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| 19:09.49 | erichapkido | synaptic |
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| 19:10.21 | erichapkido | nvz: i tried other m4as and they dont work either |
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| 19:10.51 | TimRiker | I'm looking for a socks server / remote client pair that would allow me to use the server as a socks server and it would tunnel all the socks tcp/udp requests to the remove agent (over http-connect) and then the remote agaent would do the udp/tcp listens and NAT from there. |
| 19:11.05 | keith80403 | Running Sarge - how do I configure /usr/bin/less to open a .gz file for viewing without running gzip -d first ? |
| 19:11.06 | erichapkido | it says the major opcode failure is 141 |
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| 19:11.11 | erichapkido | for xine |
| 19:11.25 | enouf | keith80403: try zless |
| 19:11.27 | nvz | The\ Cock\ And\ The\ Hen.m4a... xine: was intturupted by signal 11 |
| 19:11.45 | nvz | I guess this is what happens when you download random pr0n |
| 19:11.53 | erichapkido | its a badmatch error, totem has the same thing |
| 19:11.53 | enouf | nvz : wt ..f |
| 19:11.56 | troubled | thx simonrvn |
| 19:11.56 | simonrvn | signal 69 |
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| 19:11.58 | keith80403 | enouf, Hey, good idea! (-: Thanks |
| 19:11.59 | troubled | lol |
| 19:12.07 | enouf | keith80403: np |
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| 19:12.38 | simonrvn | nfi if you're staying in the channel or not? :) |
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| 19:13.04 | enouf | nvz : hosting photos/frames for your buds like me ? :-) |
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| 19:13.55 | nvz | enouf: yeah of your mom driving a firetruck :P |
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| 19:14.13 | enouf | nvz: oh boy ...here we go ...hehehe |
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| 19:14.19 | nvz | heh |
| 19:14.30 | simonrvn | uh oh, here comes the yo' momma jokes |
| 19:14.31 | Diguinho | hi. Does anyone know how I get /usr/local/include on compiler's path so it can find my header files there? |
| 19:14.38 | feystur | why not webmin exist in repository? what can I use insted |
| 19:14.42 | feystur | instead of it? |
| 19:14.49 | simonrvn | a real editor |
| 19:15.23 | nvz | Diguinho: umm thats generally all in the MakeFile |
| 19:15.23 | simonrvn | Diguinho: edit Makefile to have -I/usr/local/include in it |
| 19:15.34 | cydork | !why is webmin not in testing |
| 19:15.34 | dpkg | webmin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=webmin |
| 19:15.39 | feystur | simonrvn, :I use vim right now, I want to simplify the process |
| 19:15.51 | simonrvn | !webmin |
| 19:15.51 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 19:15.55 | cydork | feystur, see what dpkg said |
| 19:16.07 | simonrvn | feystur: webmin is not simpler |
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| 19:17.17 | feystur | As I see with windows(I havent installed any server with windows) things are very simple, so I started to find out a program for this purpose on linux |
| 19:17.23 | simonrvn | roue: is that carleton in ottawa? |
| 19:17.28 | nvz | I see webmin being designed for use on a little special purpose embedded device with access to it blocked from unknown or remote hosts not on its LAN |
| 19:17.36 | nvz | like those shitty router boxes |
| 19:18.09 | nvz | however if you can waste space on an HTTP server might as well put in ssh and an editor :P |
| 19:18.21 | cydork | nvz, i agree :) |
| 19:18.23 | jagerman | That would be carleton.ca; .edu is a US-only tld |
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| 19:19.52 | feystur | is there a debian project to simplify server setup process or if not why? |
| 19:19.52 | simonrvn | jagerman: thanks. though i've seen one of those private college places with an .edu |
| 19:20.01 | simonrvn | located locally (montreal, qc) |
| 19:20.25 | simonrvn | clasalle.edu or something like it |
| 19:20.31 | jagerman | Maybe they had some sort of US presense? |
| 19:20.42 | simonrvn | oh maybe |
| 19:20.51 | troubled | who told you i don't like tiny soft people :) |
| 19:20.55 | troubled | lol |
| 19:21.05 | simonrvn | as in a campus down south... they started off here IIRC |
| 19:21.27 | simonrvn | troubled: wth? |
| 19:21.30 | keith80403 | Running Sarge - what's the equivalent to "apt-cache search foo" for packages *already installed* on a machine? Does dpkg -S search only for file paths or does it search the package metadata for already installed packages also? |
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| 19:21.39 | simonrvn | troubled: you managed to confuse me =) |
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| 19:22.17 | troubled | simonrvn: yeah i've got to get a manager now :) |
| 19:22.18 | sakroot | hello do you speak french? |
| 19:22.21 | simonrvn | keith80403: dpkg -S needs full path IIRC, dlocate can do a locate sort of search |
| 19:22.26 | simonrvn | #debian-fr |
| 19:22.30 | Ronin | !fr |
| 19:22.30 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:22.33 | sakroot | simonrvn thanks |
| 19:22.37 | enouf | keith80403: dpkg -l |
| 19:22.39 | simonrvn | de rien |
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| 19:23.24 | simonrvn | dpkg -L you mean, but that needs the package name |
| 19:23.25 | dpkg | No packages found matching you mean, but that needs the package name |
| 19:23.34 | simonrvn | dpkg: shaddup |
| 19:23.35 | dpkg | fine, be that way! |
| 19:23.40 | enouf | hehe |
| 19:24.04 | simonrvn | hmm |
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| 19:24.16 | simonrvn | dpkg -L xserver-xorg |
| 19:24.16 | dpkg | ii xserver-xorg 3.3-12.1 simonrvn's private gamp collection |
| 19:24.22 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:24.37 | cydork | hehe |
| 19:24.37 | simonrvn | troubled: there's your small soft people |
| 19:25.27 | enouf | keith80403: perhaps i misunderstand what you want - if you want a list of all installed pkgs then 'dpkg -l | grep ^.i |
| 19:26.54 | keith80403 | enouf, Close, but I can search for words not in a package name with apt-cache search. But, I want to search package descriptions, etc. for packages already installed. apt-cache search searches irrespective of whether a package is installed or not. |
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| 19:27.37 | MustangMatt | FYI, if anyone was following my export X11 display from sarge questions earlier, the solution turned out to be installing xbase-clients which includes xauth. |
| 19:27.59 | keith80403 | enouf, Example: apt-cache search wiki shows a package bamboo - but that's available, I don't have it on my system, I only want it to show if it's installed. Wierd question I know. |
| 19:28.09 | JarJarBinks | can I get status from dd while it is running, I saw in the man the flag status=noxfer, but tried status=xfer which was not a valid argument... does anyone know how to get info about how dd is progressing |
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| 19:29.20 | keith80403 | JarJarBinks, Looks like the only status is to put dd in the background, or, from another shell, "ls -l" the target file. |
| 19:29.38 | enouf | hrmm - I think aptitude may have something like that ... 'aptitude search ~Pmail-tranfer-agent' but I'm not sure where aptitude is looking - I'd have to look more into dpkg --set-selections (or --get-selections perhaps) |
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| 19:30.10 | JarJarBinks | keith80403: not a bad idea actually ... thank you |
| 19:30.19 | TimRiker | keith80403: dpkg -l $(apt-cache search wiki | awk '{print $1}') 2>&1 | grep -v 'packages found' |
| 19:31.57 | keith80403 | TimRiker, I like your idea. Looks like there is no direct equivalent in dpkg -l - but that's fine, the command line looks great. |
| 19:32.01 | enouf | keith80403: the odd thing I find about your request is - if it's installed (or even semi-installed) my orig dpkg -l <packagename> wil show it -- You need a list of installed AND available? |
| 19:32.20 | TimRiker | I guess this would be easier: dpkg -l $(apt-cache search wiki | awk '{print $1}') 2>/dev/null |
| 19:32.54 | TimRiker | enouf: apt-cache search searches keywords, not just package names. |
| 19:33.03 | enouf | keith80403: right - as TimRiker is saying - you can also pipe dpkg -l | grep ^.i | less |
| 19:33.17 | enouf | TimRiker: right ... ok |
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| 19:33.35 | enouf | TimRiker: unles you tell it to search names only using -n |
| 19:33.51 | TimRiker | :) now why would you want to do that? :) |
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| 19:34.26 | enouf | TimRiker: I do it all the time ... since s-o- m-a-n-y- pkgs get returned sometimes (too large a list) ... :-) |
| 19:34.49 | TimRiker | hmm. apt-cache search bzflag is just a short list. :) |
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| 19:35.13 | enouf | TimRiker: do I really need to dig up an example >... hehe |
| 19:35.32 | TimRiker | heh. nope. keith80403's "wiki" is example enough. |
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| 19:36.03 | enouf | TimRiker: try apt-cache search editor :-p |
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| 19:36.25 | TimRiker | or 'perl' |
| 19:37.41 | keith80403 | TimRiker, Just tried the command, it works! KEWL |
| 19:37.48 | enouf | TimRiker: right ...'wiki' does the job nicely - but mines bigger :-p |
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| 19:38.08 | enouf | TimRiker: nice shell scripting . hats off |
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| 19:39.32 | liran_ | arrrg |
| 19:39.36 | keith80403 | enouf, To answer your question at :27 minutes, If I install a package, I may not remember a feature that is described in the package notes (or whatever the verbose description is called.) I want to query the machine for that info (like "wiki") and then if it's installed, run dpkg -l on it to see whazzup. |
| 19:39.41 | liran_ | mediawiki is so awful to maintain |
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| 19:40.53 | cydork | hmm i jsut installed mediawiki .. |
| 19:41.19 | enouf | keith80403: oh .. so you like the apt-cache show wiki and apt-cache showpkg wiki feature .. there's a file which holds those contents somewhere in /var |
| 19:41.26 | cydork | liran_, why it's awful? |
| 19:41.29 | liran_ | cydork: how do you edit the titles of those pages/links on the left? |
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| 19:42.08 | TimRiker | enouf: yes, but it's broken up on multiple lines. so the apt-cache interface is very useful. |
| 19:42.09 | enouf | keith80403: btw - I think 'showpkg' wil also compare the version that's installed and the newer one (if a newer one is available) |
| 19:42.10 | cydork | liran_, i have no idea, i just installed it today sometime bak. |
| 19:42.17 | keith80403 | enouf, Yes I do. I scanned all 14 Sarge CD's so that I'd have a quick way to see what was there. I'm converting to Debian from a famous RPM based distro. (-: |
| 19:42.20 | liran_ | cydork: hehe, thats why its awful :) |
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| 19:42.40 | enouf | keith80403: ahhh ... nice work young man |
| 19:42.52 | enouf | I think :-) |
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| 19:44.00 | keith80403 | enouf, In my day job I'm a production SysAdmin - so I like Debian Stable. Someday, I'll push to convert to it, but have to get real familiar with all facets first. |
| 19:44.39 | enouf | keith80403: even better - you go girl :-8 |
| 19:44.56 | MatBoy | enouf, it's over... the system keeps hanging on the UUID that I have changed to the latest ones that the MD's had.... but nothing :( |
| 19:45.04 | cydork | liran_, so you saying you cant do that or what? |
| 19:45.12 | keith80403 | enouf, Ha! |
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| 19:45.43 | liran_ | cydork: im saying that for a supposed-to-be-easy platform it definitely isn't straightforward/user-friendly |
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| 19:46.33 | cydork | liran_, i guess i will look around for other wiki's then |
| 19:46.45 | dan2 | asg! |
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| 19:47.08 | liran_ | cydork: definitely |
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| 19:47.30 | enouf | MatBoy: only thing I can do is point you to a great article <whatever> posted, over in oftc #debian http://www.gagme.com/greg/linux/raid-lvm.php -- you've got to get us some logs in /var/log - like /var/log/kern.log.0 - syslog.0 - and messages.0 |
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| 19:48.09 | MatBoy | enouf, Nah, I believe it's a bug: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg232866.html |
| 19:48.27 | enouf | MatBoy: AND you /etc/fstab ... um - you're a bug :-p |
| 19:48.51 | MatBoy | enouf, stop the /etc/fstab... it always worked this was |
| 19:48.56 | enouf | MatBoy: can you get ANY kernelo work now ? |
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| 19:48.59 | MatBoy | was=way |
| 19:49.11 | MatBoy | enouf, nope, all the same problem... UUID |
| 19:49.35 | enouf | MatBoy: /etc/fstab, /etc/fstab , /etc/fstab ,/etc/fstab ...na nah nee nah naaa |
| 19:49.56 | cydork | liran_, any pointers? |
| 19:50.07 | MatBoy | enouf, if itÅ› the same... and it worked for 6 months with it... and after the upgrade it failed... |
| 19:50.13 | enouf | MatBoy: Well - how's about the bug ...any fix ? |
| 19:50.20 | samuel | anyone know what package has glxgears please? |
| 19:50.33 | MatBoy | enouf, it should be fixed in the next release I found out somewhere |
| 19:50.36 | stew | samuel: /msg dpkg glxgears |
| 19:50.46 | liran_ | cydork: i guess try other wikis like wikiwikiweb or something |
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| 19:51.05 | samuel | stew thx |
| 19:51.11 | disasm | what package own start-stop-daemon? I get fake start-stop-daemon called doing nothing on startup |
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| 19:53.25 | MatBoy | enouf, I think I should bugreport it ? |
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| 19:55.19 | ma3x | how can I make gtk+1 use proper font? |
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| 19:56.28 | enouf | MatBoy: I don't think it's necessary but I'd ask som others more experienced here about it since you may be filing the same bug (a no-no) ... but youcan't even get us system info - how would you create a (useful) report ? anyway here's the bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=385951 |
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| 19:57.22 | enouf | MatBoy: IOW - it's listed as Critical - so they're working on it - and it's been confirmed AFAICT |
| 19:57.26 | MatBoy | enouf, I have searched a lot, and have compared and spoken to other persons... and it seems to come all together to one point evert time |
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| 19:57.38 | MatBoy | enouf, do you belive me now ? |
| 19:57.39 | MatBoy | :) |
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| 19:57.50 | MatBoy | s/belive/believe |
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| 19:58.28 | secher_ | Is there a virus scanner I can set up that a given user can insert a CD/DVD into a drive and have it scanned for virii? |
| 19:58.38 | secher_ | s/that/in which/ |
| 19:58.44 | enouf | MatBoy: I never said it couldn't be a bug ... when did I even suggest that - i think i even asked you to look at the BTS |
| 19:59.04 | cwheeler | anyone know about the pentium 3 recall? |
| 19:59.30 | MatBoy | enouf, I came to some point while searching en specific words and make it more specific.. I saw it on other distroÅ› to sometimes.. so that's how I found out :) |
| 19:59.39 | enouf | MatBoy: one other thing - are you using Found in version mdadm/2.5.2-7 ? |
| 20:00.14 | secher_ | I'm trying to set up a Linux system for my buddy so he can check CDs etc. for viruses before he puts them on his Win. computers. |
| 20:00.53 | MatBoy | enouf, nope, not that I know of. The version told me that I was running 2.5.2 and not a -7 version :( |
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| 20:01.59 | enouf | MatBoy: maybe contribute to that bug -- ...funny - I don't even see the Kernel version that the big reporter is using |
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| 20:02.41 | MatBoy | enouf, I will report some things. Sorry for the log-part... but I can't log because it can't write a damn thing... that is the reason for that |
| 20:03.04 | MatBoy | but enouf, you have helped me like the devil :) |
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| 20:03.56 | MatBoy | !beer enouf untill he can't drink anymore :) |
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| 20:04.59 | enouf | MatBoy: no prob :-) maybe , just maybe, just try a tad bit harder to cooperate next time - :-) -- I can't believe there's no Kerenl version listed in that bug report -- oh, use the 'reportbug' pkg |
| 20:05.23 | enouf | MatBoy: thanks ...I'm drunkin stupor |
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| 20:05.36 | enouf | MatBoy: :- ) |
| 20:06.29 | enouf | MatBoy: the pkg 'gpm' would help you in a terminal - use mouse for cut/copy/paste ... |
| 20:07.21 | keith80403 | Are there any links about how to set up a BTS on a local network? Don't want to contact/use bugs.debian.org, this is for local experimentation purposes. |
| 20:07.25 | ethyope | whereis gmake _? |
| 20:07.48 | peterS | ethyope: the 'make' package |
| 20:07.51 | peterS | ethyope: it is called /usr/bin/make |
| 20:08.09 | ethyope | i have 'make' but not gmake |
| 20:08.15 | peterS | ethyope: correct |
| 20:08.24 | peterS | ethyope: why do you want gmake? do you have any idea what it is? |
| 20:09.04 | ethyope | no, i do not have idea what it is. In policyd documentation says the install to use gmake |
| 20:09.12 | ethyope | gmake build, sorry |
| 20:09.21 | dondelelcaro | keith80403: the package is debbugs, the current source is at bugs.debian.org/debbugs_source/ |
| 20:09.24 | peterS | what a dumb thing for them to say |
| 20:09.44 | peterS | they should at least explain what gmake is, then you would see why you don't need it |
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| 20:10.03 | keith80403 | dondelelcaro, Aha, thank you, I'll check into it. |
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| 20:21.02 | xored | when i boot, he tells me, that my /home partition has errors. When i get into the single user console and rune e2fchk -cv /dev/sda5 ( home ) he dont find anything. on reboot, he finds the errors again. What can i doo ? |
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| 20:22.20 | g3brown | I want to cat the smb password file, but where is it? (ie cat /etc/passwd) |
| 20:22.33 | pipeline | presumably /etc/samba/smbpasswd |
| 20:22.37 | pipeline | unless you set it to something else |
| 20:23.10 | g3brown | pipeline: I didn't set it to anything else, and that is where I thought it was, but it isn't |
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| 20:25.43 | nmx | i'm just getting started using fakeroot in some scripts. it appears that if i use the -s option to save the session, the file doesn't actually get created until well after the process returns. what's up with that? |
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| 20:27.18 | dondelelcaro | nmx: there's a daemon which has to exit before that file gets written |
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| 20:27.49 | nmx | dondelelcaro: ohhhh. that would do it |
| 20:28.02 | dondelelcaro | nmx: you're really better off just running everything that needs to use fakeroot under a single subshell |
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| 20:28.17 | lucky_tux | hello everybody. i have a problem with majordomo i set up this day |
| 20:28.25 | g3brown | Is there another way to list the Samba users, since I can't find the smbpasswd file to cat ? |
| 20:28.38 | nmx | dondelelcaro: can't. part of what i'm doing involves running ./configure |
| 20:28.42 | w3rdn4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:28.56 | lucky_tux | users are able to subscribe to the list but when they want to write to the list nothing happens |
| 20:28.58 | dondelelcaro | nmx: so? |
| 20:29.24 | nmx | dondelelcaro: so the man page explicitly says not to run configure in fakeroot shells |
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| 20:29.33 | dondelelcaro | nmx: for which package? |
| 20:29.57 | dondelelcaro | almost anything that tells you not to use fakeroot is horrendously broken |
| 20:29.59 | nmx | dondelelcaro: i'm not building debian packages with it, but in particular, busybox and the kernel |
| 20:30.10 | nmx | dondelelcaro: i'm just referring to the manpage for fakeroot. |
| 20:30.36 | dondelelcaro | nmx: oh, ignore that |
| 20:30.41 | lucky_tux | the MTA and the wrapper application is working correct i thing, because it gets the subscribe request |
| 20:30.45 | dondelelcaro | nmx: you can run the whole process under fakeroot just fine |
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| 20:30.59 | lucky_tux | testlist: "|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper resend -R -l testlist -h martinsbox.dyndns.org -s testlist-outgoing" |
| 20:31.06 | Gyuszk | cs |
| 20:31.08 | lucky_tux | testlist-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/testlist, testlist-archive |
| 20:31.12 | nmx | dondelelcaro: hah. alright, i'll give that a shot |
| 20:31.19 | dondelelcaro | nmx: that's how Debian actually builds the kernel and busybox anyway |
| 20:31.28 | nmx | dondelelcaro: oh really? perfect :) |
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| 20:31.43 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, on most architectures... a few of them build using sudo) |
| 20:32.14 | lucky_tux | does anybody know a channel about majordomo. when i search by google i only find mailinglists nothing about irc |
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| 20:32.39 | nmx | dondelelcaro: thanks a bunch |
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| 20:32.59 | dondelelcaro | lucky_tux: ugh. majordomo is kind of crappy; consider mailman or eoc. |
| 20:33.24 | keith80403 | dondelelcaro, Debian has smartlist, doesn't it? |
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| 20:34.21 | fas3r | nobody what the combinaison for simulate the mouse with the keyboard please ? |
| 20:34.35 | lucky_tux | i know but i want to run the listsoftware on a virtual server with a limit of processes so i got in trouble. and majordomo is very smart and has low size |
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| 20:35.04 | lucky_tux | what is smartlist? |
| 20:36.23 | enouf | fas3r : you mean turn NUM lock off then use the numeric keypad ? |
| 20:36.45 | dondelelcaro | keith80403: yeah, but it's not all that great, IMO... |
| 20:36.46 | fas3r | ok |
| 20:36.58 | keith80403 | lucky_tux, Smartlist is how Debian manages mailing lists, I think. I'll let one of the experts chime in here. try http://packages.debian.org/smartlist |
| 20:37.17 | keith80403 | dondelelcaro, Ok, thanks for that info. I agree, Mailman is really nice from a user perspective. |
| 20:37.21 | fas3r | enouf, it's not alt + lock num ? |
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| 20:38.04 | enouf | fas3r: not sure- I just turn the num lock off and then the numbered keys work using X, a browser |
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| 20:38.26 | fas3r | enouf, oki thank :) |
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| 20:39.06 | enouf | fas3r: I mean you can also use Tab and alt-tab, etc to jump around frames and such |
| 20:39.13 | samuel__ | what file can i use to automatically modprobe on boot? |
| 20:39.18 | samuel__ | /etc/modules? |
| 20:40.16 | enouf | samuel__: if you want to add a certain module on every boot, yes, place it in /etc/modules |
| 20:40.35 | teksimian | in testing theres a package for videolan-doc. but no package with VLC. how retarded is that? |
| 20:40.36 | lucky_tux | what about minimalist has anyone experiences with this listsoftware? |
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| 20:41.14 | ma3x | why when I run switch, I get thousand of errors like this home/ma3x/.gtkrc.mine:9: error: unexpected string constant "GtkWidget", expected keyword - e.g. `style' |
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| 20:42.08 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: you've got errors in your gtkrc file? |
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| 20:42.31 | stranger_stone | as |
| 20:42.38 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
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| 20:43.19 | mz_work | i need a bootable floppy w/ cfdisk - anyone know of such an animal? |
| 20:43.30 | mz_work | well fdisk would be ok too i suppose |
| 20:43.33 | lucky_tux | what is easier smartlist or minimalist? |
| 20:43.37 | Kevin` | mz_work I made one a few days ago.. |
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| 20:43.53 | Kevin` | mz_work busybox+linux kernel+grub or lilo.. easy to do |
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| 20:44.20 | mz_work | Kevin`: got an image i could dl perhaps? |
| 20:44.21 | lucky_tux | i mean easier to configure? |
| 20:44.35 | Kevin` | mz_work when I get home in a few hours |
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| 20:44.51 | infernix | hrm, question. how important is it to have SPF records in my DNS zones? does everyone really use them, and are they worth the effort? |
| 20:44.58 | Kevin` | mz_work you could find another one long before then |
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| 20:47.01 | mz_work | hmm maybe tomsrtbt |
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| 20:52.48 | erichapkido | any one know why quod libet doesn't use gnomes sound shortcuts? |
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| 20:53.06 | darsie | Hi! I want a small rescue CD that supports SATA. Debian based is nice but not required. Recommendations? Sorry if that's off topic here. |
| 20:54.23 | darsie | Does the current debian netinstall support SATA? I have one that doesn't. |
| 20:54.28 | mz_work | darsie: kanotix supports sata - not really small tho |
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| 20:55.02 | darsie | Currently I just want to partition a disk. |
| 20:55.15 | invitado11 | hi all , how can i bridge ath0 ( wich is my wireless network card, NetgearWPN311) with ra0 (witch is my second wireless card, Realtek) in order to share my internet connection ? |
| 20:55.26 | darsie | mz_work: thx |
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| 20:55.59 | jetx | cfdisk /dev/something |
| 20:56.17 | invitado11 | i use ath0 to connect to the internet and ra0 i want to set it up as an accespoint to share my connection |
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| 20:57.25 | darsie | jetx: This is a new computer with nothing installed on it. No cfdisk. |
| 20:57.57 | georgy_ | darsie: use a win98 floppy |
| 20:58.14 | mz_work | win98 floppy supports sata drives? |
| 20:58.36 | darsie | but thx anyways. |
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| 20:59.00 | georgy_ | darsie : I agrey with you |
| 20:59.07 | vipersniper | how do i check the sound from the command line |
| 20:59.20 | darsie | cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp |
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| 20:59.57 | pygi | hello, anyone here a bit more familiar with autotools that I am willing to help? :) |
| 20:59.58 | darsie | maybe need aumix |
| 21:00.02 | cr3 | is there a way to send the same command by ssh to multiple hosts all at once? |
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| 21:00.22 | stew | cr3: have a look at dsh and clusterssh |
| 21:00.31 | cr3 | stew: cheers |
| 21:00.55 | vipersniper | how do i test the sound card from command line |
| 21:01.30 | cr3 | vipersniper: good question! I'd like to know as well :) |
| 21:01.34 | mz_work | darsie: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php |
| 21:01.41 | mz_work | you can use sox to test soundcard |
| 21:01.47 | mz_work | play some_file.wav |
| 21:01.58 | cr3 | vipersniper: I guess you could download an mp3 and play it with a command-line program |
| 21:02.20 | cr3 | vipersniper: but I would rather find a simpler way to test the sound card |
| 21:02.22 | blondie | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 21:02.23 | blondie | or something |
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| 21:02.37 | blondie | (turn speakers down first :P) |
| 21:03.20 | mz_work | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 21:03.26 | mz_work | if your card is there then it should work |
| 21:03.28 | Shadowcat | cat blondie > /dev/dsp |
| 21:03.32 | Shadowcat | and by that I mean the bnd |
| 21:03.34 | Shadowcat | band* |
| 21:03.52 | blondie | Shadowcat: I *am* the band! |
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| 21:04.16 | Shadowcat | liar |
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| 21:05.00 | punkmexic | would somene help this poor mexican to find a direct link for this file sl-modem-daemon_2.9.10+2.9.9d+e-pre2-5build1_i386.deb...i needed to be able to connect via linux |
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| 21:07.51 | Lilandra | has anybody ever used madwifi? |
| 21:07.57 | samuel | Lilandra, yes |
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| 21:08.25 | Lilandra | samuel: which is the better way to install on debian? testing? unstable? backports? compile the source? |
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| 21:08.54 | jsantos | Lilandra: installing software or installing Debian? |
| 21:08.54 | ma3x | why my toolbar and tabs` fonts are too big? |
| 21:08.58 | ma3x | where do I edit that? |
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| 21:09.04 | Lilandra | ma3x: installing madwifi |
| 21:09.15 | samuel | Lilandra, get madwifi-ng package from the madwifi |
| 21:09.22 | samuel | there is a repository there |
| 21:09.26 | samuel | lemme find the page |
| 21:09.57 | Lilandra | but is it in unstable or testing? right now i've got stable debian :( |
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| 21:10.51 | samuel | Lilandra, http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian/MadWifi use sarge backports then |
| 21:11.08 | Lilandra | ok! thanks |
| 21:11.15 | Lilandra | or i could update to testing...*hmm* |
| 21:11.27 | samuel | or... that... |
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| 21:11.34 | Lilandra | thanks! |
| 21:11.44 | samuel | testing is pretty stable, so is unstable for that matter |
| 21:12.00 | Lilandra | so...why! all the different names |
| 21:12.19 | mz_work | choice |
| 21:12.37 | Lilandra | what do most of you all run? |
| 21:12.40 | samuel | Lilandra, testing is the future releace 4.0, unstable is not a release... never will be... but its very good |
| 21:12.48 | samuel | most ppl run testing |
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| 21:12.55 | samuel | unless you have a server |
| 21:13.00 | Lilandra | ok! then stable? |
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| 21:13.11 | stew | samuel: more people run testing than stable? |
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| 21:13.54 | jsantos | When will etch be promoted to stable? |
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| 21:14.11 | stew | jsantos: /msg dpkg wwer ; /msg dpkg wir |
| 21:14.13 | pinky_ | How do you get to the boot menu on MacBooks? |
| 21:14.41 | eldowan | Using Konqueror to rip a CDROM, how would I specify which cddb entry to use? KDE 3.5.3, etch |
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| 21:16.54 | EdLin | eldowan: freedb.org has shut down, use freedb2.org |
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| 21:18.14 | samuel | stew, for desktops i think so no? really ive no clue, just a guess... |
| 21:19.16 | eldowan | EdLin: I think I need to clarify. If a CD returns multiple matches, how would I tell Konqueror to use a specific one, so that the correct album information is generated? |
| 21:19.35 | eldowan | EdLin: Thanks for the headsup about freedb2.org. When did freedb shutdown? |
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| 21:26.37 | MtJB_ | where does the kernel config file live on a new install? |
| 21:26.53 | MtJB_ | so i can use it to build a new image? |
| 21:29.57 | nvz | MtJB_: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 21:30.06 | MtJB_ | nvz: thank you, sir |
| 21:30.17 | nvz | MtJB_: you're welcome, sir |
| 21:30.36 | MtJB_ | heh |
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| 21:31.41 | fas3r | i have three hardisk, i use two of three make raid 1 but it's necessary i create a hotspare with the last hardisk ? |
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| 21:35.56 | Knorrie | you can do that, but it's not necessary |
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| 21:36.54 | Knorrie | when one disk fails, the other one is on its own until you replace the second. if the third drive has no other destination than being used as spare for the raid.. just use it as spare |
| 21:37.25 | nvz | I got a hot spare deal going on.. a drive sitting in my pc making extra heat and noise that I am doing nothing with.. |
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| 21:37.44 | nvz | I am sure I could make use of it after I format it something other than ntfs :P |
| 21:37.45 | p3rti | hi, i have a Wireless USB ADAPTER, i want to know if the kernel can support it, where i can find more information about it? |
| 21:37.53 | fas3r | ok thx i have make this but i was not sure if it's correctly ;) thx |
| 21:38.13 | nvz | p3rti: wireless USB ADAPTER... FOR WHAT? |
| 21:38.54 | p3rti | nvz, Wireless USB ADAPTER, for my LAN. a friend gave me. |
| 21:38.59 | fas3r | but if i just use the twice disk for the raid 0 if one on two fails the second take the place of the first it's that ? |
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| 21:39.07 | nvz | p3rti: friends wouldnt give you such things :P |
| 21:39.17 | p3rti | nvz, :D |
| 21:39.38 | nvz | p3rti: USB and networking just dont seem meant to be.. |
| 21:39.47 | p3rti | nvz, i want to know only if i can use it under linux. or do i have to write a module for the kernel? |
| 21:39.50 | Knorrie | nvz: with raid1 and no spare, make sure the two disks of the raid1 aren't exactly the same brand, age, type etc to minimize the chance of both failing at the same time |
| 21:39.57 | w3rdn4 | what happens when we die? |
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| 21:39.59 | p3rti | nvz, xD |
| 21:40.07 | samuel | is there a way to tell the /etc/modules file to NOT load a module? it keeps loading i915, instead of i810, i think this may be causing it to disable DRI |
| 21:40.11 | nvz | remember back when we hooked our computers together using serial interfaces.. eeeeee aaaaaa sshhhhhhhh eeeeooonn eeeonnn |
| 21:40.31 | stew | samuel: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 21:40.34 | EdLin | nvz: I'm on a 56K external modem using an RS-232 as we speak |
| 21:40.35 | nvz | yeah what were those things called? modems? null modems even? |
| 21:40.48 | EdLin | nvz: null modems |
| 21:40.56 | nvz | EdLin: yeah they both suck |
| 21:41.00 | peppet | p3rti: plug it in, then look at lsusb output and google ;) |
| 21:41.10 | EdLin | nvz: I helped a friend write an MS-DOS copying program for one |
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| 21:41.32 | p3rti | peppet, thanks a lot! |
| 21:42.01 | samuel | stew, thanks |
| 21:42.35 | EdLin | nvz: of course, for *nix, you don't have to write things like that |
| 21:42.41 | Firestarter_ | is it possible to remove certain components of kde withought removing kde? |
| 21:42.42 | nvz | EdLin: yeah I used to do that stuff I used null modems to play network games and fileshare before I had internet |
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| 21:43.01 | EdLin | nvz: yeah, we played a helicopter game over null modem |
| 21:43.11 | nvz | Firestarter_: sure apt-get remove. |
| 21:43.15 | EdLin | nvz: and over 2400 bps modem too :-) |
| 21:43.21 | nvz | Firestarter_: note that "kde" is an empty package |
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| 21:43.53 | nvz | Firestarter_: its a meta-package to facilitate installation of the whole shebang by depending on everything.. so naturally it will be removed if you uninstall anything |
| 21:44.01 | EdLin | bbiab |
| 21:44.16 | Firestarter_ | ok |
| 21:44.18 | Firestarter_ | thanks |
| 21:44.22 | nvz | I used to play Twisted Metal 2 on IPX |
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| 21:45.20 | jfletcher | is there any reason why java shouuld take 80% CPU usage? I know it's crap, but this is just ridiculous |
| 21:45.21 | nvz | oh how I loved TM2 and oh how everyone I knew got sick of getting their asses trashed in it |
| 21:45.24 | spldart | I figured out how to mount a windows share, this case XP Pro, in my debian file system using mount smbfs with no username=default and password=default but It's only accessable to root... How can I make the mount command leave a mount as available to user? |
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| 21:45.51 | jfletcher | spldart: er, mount it as user? |
| 21:45.51 | andreiutz | i want to install debian the stable version . Does the stable version include kernel 2.6 ? |
| 21:46.08 | jfletcher | yes |
| 21:46.09 | jfletcher | just type "linux26" on the install |
| 21:46.14 | trpr | speaking of old helicopter games, anyone know the name of a helecopter sidescroller? you fly your helicopter on missions to the other side of the screen and produce units which originate on your side of the screen |
| 21:46.16 | nvz | spytrdr: if you use a desktop environment chances are your filemanager supports samba browsing without need to mount |
| 21:46.20 | trpr | i remember playing it on the apple iie |
| 21:46.24 | spldart | I can't mount as user... and if I try to define user as an option it doesn't work... :( |
| 21:46.29 | nvz | spytrdr: nautilus in gnome for example |
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| 21:47.11 | andreiutz | jfletcher> i want to install it on my laptop . and i'm thinking all the stable packages include late version of openoffice |
| 21:47.12 | andreiutz | ? |
| 21:47.13 | spldart | Maybe somebody can put up a sample line to type in terminal... All the ones I've found for debian and ubuntu so far don't allow me to mount as user |
| 21:47.19 | andreiutz | and gnome |
| 21:47.20 | andreiutz | ? |
| 21:47.23 | nvz | spytrdr: b.s. I got 3 samba shares with the user option in here and I can mount them as my user |
| 21:47.37 | jfletcher | spldart: mount -t file.iso /home/username/mnt ? |
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| 21:47.50 | nvz | spytrdr: you add the option "user" in fstab for the share and then mount it as user |
| 21:48.46 | spldart | I'm doin mount -t //window/share /home/user/share username=default, password=default |
| 21:48.52 | spldart | oops |
| 21:48.57 | spldart | forgot smbfs is in there |
| 21:49.29 | nvz | thats not a valid mount line even with smbfs in there you need to make an fstab entry then just mount /home/user/share should be fine |
| 21:49.57 | spldart | hrm.. lemme research doin an fstab line for a share mount |
| 21:50.02 | spldart | Not done it before |
| 21:50.05 | nvz | //windows/share /home/user/share smbfs user,noauto,username=default,password=default 0 0 |
| 21:50.12 | fas3r | if i use hardwareraid 1 it's not necessary i configure linux with the raid software (with partman when we install debian) |
| 21:50.38 | spldart | thanks NVZ :) |
| 21:51.13 | nvz | spldart: the permission has to be granted in fstab for a user to mount a filesystem |
| 21:51.59 | xored | when iam booting, ahci trys to probe every possible sata port, but i only have one sata-drive installed. this lets the boot take 2 minutes, how can i turn this off ? |
| 21:52.25 | peppet | fas3r: was it a question? |
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| 21:52.40 | fas3r | peppet, yes ... :s sorry |
| 21:53.08 | peppet | fas3r: then the answer is yes ;) |
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| 21:53.19 | fas3r | erf ... :) |
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| 21:53.37 | fas3r | just i need to create my partition normaly |
| 21:54.15 | fas3r | one swap and one ext3 for example |
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| 21:54.34 | peppet | fas3r: yes, you'd see a single disk, yes |
| 21:54.41 | xored | when iam booting, ahci trys to probe every possible sata port, but i only have one sata-drive installed. this lets the boot take 2 minutes, how can i turn this off ? |
| 21:54.56 | fas3r | if i use hotspare they aren't problem with the swap (i thnik no but ... ;) ) |
| 21:55.28 | rshakin | hey ppl |
| 21:55.29 | spldart | are you sure there isn't something missing from that example fstab line? |
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| 21:55.50 | rshakin | does adaptec 2940 support raid function in debian sparc port |
| 21:55.56 | MarcoPau | is there any log for what rm actually removed? |
| 21:56.04 | nvz | MarcoPau: heh, no |
| 21:56.14 | MatBoy | is there a special #unstable channel ? |
| 21:56.25 | nvz | MatBoy: nope |
| 21:56.34 | MatBoy | nvz, ok |
| 21:57.26 | nvz | spldart: there are lots of things missing from it.. birds, bees, flowers, trees, the ocean.. |
| 21:57.35 | spldart | heh |
| 21:57.36 | spldart | k |
| 21:58.01 | MatBoy | nvz, are you running unstable ? |
| 21:58.09 | spldart | I'll work with google some more |
| 21:58.17 | MarcoPau | nvz: any way to rescue what I just rm'ed? |
| 21:58.20 | nvz | MatBoy: no, that would be silly |
| 21:58.28 | nvz | MarcoPau: what filesystem? |
| 21:58.35 | MatBoy | nvz, I don know how smart you are tho :p |
| 21:58.38 | MarcoPau | nvz: xfs |
| 21:58.47 | nvz | HA |
| 21:58.49 | infernix | MarcoPau: you can try to use grep on the partition. prolly wont work with xfs tho. |
| 21:58.49 | nvz | HAHAHA |
| 21:58.57 | nvz | MarcoPau: nope ;) |
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| 21:59.27 | MarcoPau | infernix: grep in what way? |
| 21:59.41 | MarcoPau | nvz: should I have had another fs? |
| 21:59.44 | infernix | MarcoPau: only with text files. and ive only done it on ext3. |
| 21:59.55 | infernix | in general, there's no undelete. |
| 22:00.20 | nvz | MarcoPau: for recovery? oh yeah... any journalizing fs is hard to recover from.. XFS makes a point to start overwriting your unlinked files ASAP not to mention it has no recovery tools |
| 22:01.16 | MarcoPau | nvz: you're indirectly suggesting another fs? |
| 22:02.22 | MatBoy | !beer nvz to make his braindamage bigger :P |
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| 22:03.06 | MatBoy | thingfish, you biatch !!! you are L3 connected !!! |
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| 22:03.28 | tarzeau | what is L3 in mbits? |
| 22:03.29 | thingfish | sorry, MatBoy, I don't know what that means. |
| 22:03.59 | tarzeau | has someone got konqueror and/or ie and can make a screenshot of a page for me? |
| 22:04.03 | MarcoPau | infernix: how would I recover text files? |
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| 22:04.44 | infernix | MarcoPau: on xfs, i dunno. for ext3, grep -A 1000 -B 1000 'text' /dev/hdXY > /some/OTHER/partition/dump.txt |
| 22:05.09 | infernix | is it -B? i think so. |
| 22:05.15 | nvz | MarcoPau: I am suggesting nothing. |
| 22:05.40 | peppet | infernix: -1000 does the same |
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| 22:06.29 | MatBoy | thingfish, level3 |
| 22:06.38 | rr72 | what is the partitioner on the install cd? |
| 22:06.39 | thingfish | MatBoy: dialup |
| 22:06.44 | infernix | lol:P |
| 22:06.59 | infernix | 56k uplinked into 10GE, yay. |
| 22:07.04 | MatBoy | thingfish, dailup ? damn don you have there ADSL ? |
| 22:07.04 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:07.09 | nvz | rr72: the frontend is custom but its called parted |
| 22:07.14 | thingfish | MatBoy: not yet. |
| 22:07.14 | MarcoPau | infernix: what's 'text'? |
| 22:07.21 | rr72 | parted? i thought it wasnt that |
| 22:07.32 | infernix | MarcoPau: it's all around us. you read it. check the dictionary. |
| 22:07.50 | rr72 | ty nvz |
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| 22:08.04 | MarcoPau | infernix: it'd be the file that I want to recover? |
| 22:08.10 | teksimian | which variable do i use to tell configure were to look for header files again? |
| 22:08.32 | infernix | MarcoPau: no. 'text' is a part of the *TEXT ONLY* files you might have a very very very small chance of recovering something from. |
| 22:08.36 | MatBoy | thingfish, it will come |
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| 22:09.09 | thingfish | MatBoy: supposedly by the end of the year, but I've yet to see any AT&T trucks laying cable. |
| 22:09.20 | infernix | MarcoPau: again, on XFS, you're more likely to be able to turn copper into gold than actually recover anything |
| 22:09.25 | MatBoy | thingfish, OK ! |
| 22:09.32 | nvz | AT&T? they still exist? |
| 22:09.40 | MatBoy | nvz, yes ! |
| 22:09.45 | thingfish | nvz: yes and they're taking over. |
| 22:09.52 | MarcoPau | infernix: I don't get you... what am I supposed to write instead of 'text'? the name of the file or what? |
| 22:10.07 | nvz | since when last I checked their ISP, Cellphone network..etc has all been bought out |
| 22:10.09 | MatBoy | I want to install a newer version than 2.5.2-7 of mdadm on my system... suggestions ? |
| 22:10.12 | infernix | MarcoPau: what is the type of file you intend to recover? |
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| 22:10.44 | MarcoPau | infernix: well, if you say my best bet is to recover some text file then ok, text files |
| 22:10.45 | spldart | Poop... what was the command to list other machines on your lan in terminal? |
| 22:11.03 | MarcoPau | infernix: there's a couple of them I have in mind |
| 22:11.14 | infernix | MarcoPau: then 'text' is any part in those text files that you still remember. make sure you get the caps right, or use grep -i |
| 22:12.08 | MarcoPau | infernix: don't remember anything but their names |
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| 22:12.43 | nvz | my moyher had AT&T cell phone service, cable, internet, home phone.. the whole nine.. and never switched.. now has cingular, and comcast. I was under the impression that beast was finally dying |
| 22:13.14 | peppet | teksimian: export CFLAGS=$CFLAGS -I<include dir> |
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| 22:13.42 | MarcoPau | inc|freaky: /me screwed? |
| 22:13.44 | teksimian | peppet, i think its supposed to be something like --with-FEATURE=/path/to/feature |
| 22:13.49 | MarcoPau | whoops |
| 22:13.56 | MarcoPau | infernix: /me screwed? |
| 22:14.09 | infernix | MarcoPau: yep. |
| 22:14.32 | MarcoPau | nice |
| 22:14.37 | adelfino | hi |
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| 22:14.48 | vzoric | hi what is latest version of debian |
| 22:14.49 | peppet | teksimian: see at bottom of your configure --help |
| 22:14.55 | adelfino | is there any way I can see Debian source code by a Web interface? |
| 22:14.56 | MarcoPau | this is the time I wish I had a trash like windoze |
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| 22:15.28 | infernix | MarcoPau: get smarter, make backups. |
| 22:15.40 | nvz | I wonder where "the whole nine yards" ever came from.. why isnt it the whole 14 yards, or the whole 50 yards or something.. what is 9 yards but 27 feet, or 324 inches.. |
| 22:15.49 | MarcoPau | infernix: jeez I can't backup a whole disc |
| 22:15.58 | infernix | MarcoPau: why not? |
| 22:16.00 | teksimian | peppet, your way worked. :) thanks |
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| 22:16.29 | MarcoPau | infernix: then syncronize every day |
| 22:16.39 | MarcoPau | or every hour |
| 22:16.42 | infernix | nvz: http://www.yaelf.com/nineyards.shtml |
| 22:16.54 | infernix | MarcoPau: apt-get install rsync. can you say every minute? |
| 22:16.55 | MarcoPau | a trash sounds easier in this case |
| 22:17.51 | MarcoPau | infernix: ok than that will update every minute and you notice that you did something wrong the minute before. screwed again? |
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| 22:18.11 | infernix | MarcoPau: thats why one makes backups. |
| 22:18.30 | stew | MarcoPau: apt-cache show libtrash |
| 22:18.35 | luke-jr_work | Can someone post the output of this (pref. on a server) somewhere please? find /etc/{init,rc}*.d |
| 22:19.17 | xored | when iam booting, ahci trys to probe every possible sata port, but i only have one sata-drive installed. this lets the boot take 2 minutes, how can i turn this off ? he always waits arround 15 sec "sata link down" 4 times |
| 22:19.26 | MarcoPau | stew: good proposal, thanks! very useful now that I already screwed up |
| 22:19.27 | MarcoPau | :D |
| 22:19.48 | infernix | luke-jr_work: http://pastebin.ca/168346 |
| 22:19.54 | luke-jr_work | infernix: thx |
| 22:20.12 | adelfino | is there any way I can see Debian source code by a Web interface? |
| 22:20.26 | nvz | ah, that will have to be a later read I am cooking |
| 22:20.32 | luke-jr_work | adelfino: source code for what? |
| 22:20.37 | infernix | adelfino: not really... packages.debian.org, download sources is the best you can do i guess. |
| 22:20.56 | adelfino | luke-jr_work: source for the base system |
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| 22:21.20 | tapple | adelfino: such as bash and coreutils? |
| 22:21.24 | luke-jr_work | adelfino: probably all on a Debian CVS server; I imagine they have WebCVS... |
| 22:21.35 | luke-jr_work | tapple: More likely init scripts, etc |
| 22:21.53 | adelfino | luke-jr_work: couldn't find such a thing |
| 22:21.53 | tapple | adelfino: you can read the init scripts in /etc |
| 22:22.04 | nvz | well I guess you could call it that.. I am actually practicing the fine modern art of turning water into mashed potatos |
| 22:22.09 | adelfino | I want to see the system source code by Web |
| 22:22.11 | adelfino | I don't to use it |
| 22:22.18 | adelfino | *I don't want to use it |
| 22:22.38 | tapple | adelfino: you can download the *.deb files and unpack them, I suppose |
| 22:23.06 | stew | tapple: the .deb files don't contain source code |
| 22:23.15 | luke-jr_work | stew: for scripts they do |
| 22:23.19 | adelfino | so... no CVS web interface? |
| 22:23.46 | stew | adelfino: no, the packages are not all cvs maintained (or at all uniformly maintained) |
| 22:24.02 | stew | adelfino: you can download the source code for a given package from http://packages.debian.org/packagename |
| 22:24.23 | luke-jr_work | infernix: what version of Debian? |
| 22:24.24 | adelfino | I don't want to download a given package... |
| 22:24.36 | adelfino | just say no |
| 22:24.41 | stew | i have |
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| 22:24.49 | adelfino | there isn't a cvs web interface; and that's all... |
| 22:24.50 | infernix | luke-jr_: sarge. |
| 22:24.58 | infernix | luke-jr_: need etch? |
| 22:25.00 | luke-jr_work | infernix: 3.1 |
| 22:25.06 | luke-jr_work | !etch |
| 22:25.07 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 22:25.13 | luke-jr_work | !sarge |
| 22:25.14 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 22:25.27 | luke-jr_work | hm |
| 22:25.35 | luke-jr_work | mine is totally diff :\ |
| 22:26.15 | infernix | luke-jr_work: it should be, different packages and all. |
| 22:26.19 | luke-jr_work | http://pastebin.ca/168351 |
| 22:26.26 | luke-jr_work | it should be somewhat similar... |
| 22:26.30 | MatBoy | !beer MatBoy until he falls asleep |
| 22:26.31 | luke-jr_work | especially rcS.d |
| 22:27.25 | streuner | hm, beer :-) good idea :-) |
| 22:30.03 | LinuxHelp | how do I set eth0 to dynamic ip mode using ifconfig? |
| 22:30.28 | LinuxHelp | I'm too tired for man ifconfig |
| 22:30.35 | streuner | !tell LinuxHelp about interfaces |
| 22:30.40 | luke-jr_work | aha |
| 22:30.44 | luke-jr_work | need to sort em |
| 22:30.50 | streuner | !be man page barbie |
| 22:30.50 | dpkg | *roff is HARD! Let's use texinfo! |
| 22:30.52 | pinky_ | Is there a package to install something similar to the "Dashboard" in Mac OS X? |
| 22:31.14 | infernix | luke-jr_work: mine's sorted herE: http://pastebin.ca/168354 ;) |
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| 22:31.38 | luke-jr_work | oh, oops |
| 22:31.39 | streuner | dpkg, no be man page barbie is <reply> *roff is HARD! Let's go shopping! |
| 22:31.40 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 22:31.44 | luke-jr_work | apparently, I'm wrong-- it is etch I need |
| 22:32.14 | luke-jr_work | must have been some etch package I wanted |
| 22:32.45 | luke-jr_work | alternatively, is there a way to regenerate rc*.d from scratch |
| 22:32.46 | luke-jr_work | ? |
| 22:32.50 | infernix | luke-jr_work: http://pastebin.ca/168368, etch |
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| 22:33.54 | infernix | luke-jr_work: something like "grep update-rc.d /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.*inst" |
| 22:34.41 | infernix | put that in a file, edit and run. |
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| 22:34.43 | poonj | hey guys.... |
| 22:34.54 | poonj | is it possible to query a dhcp server and find out its lease list? |
| 22:35.02 | luke-jr_work | infernix: already tried that ;) |
| 22:35.16 | luke-jr_work | well, not quit |
| 22:35.18 | luke-jr_work | e |
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| 22:36.38 | luke-jr_work | Where does /etc/rcS.d/README come from? |
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| 22:37.49 | luke-jr_work | my problem is that Debian insists on fscking my filesystems after its mounted them rw |
| 22:38.04 | stew | luke-jr_work: dpkg -S /etc/rcS.d/README |
| 22:38.09 | infernix | luke-jr_work: sysv-rc |
| 22:38.26 | luke-jr_work | stew: that only works if I have it... |
| 22:38.39 | streuner | no |
| 22:38.42 | stew | luke-jr_work: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 22:39.23 | streuner | !tell luke-jr_work about search |
| 22:39.37 | luke-jr_work | so I can rm -r /etc/rc*.d and use update-rc.d to start over? |
| 22:39.58 | streuner | haha |
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| 22:40.10 | infernix | in theory, sure. |
| 22:40.16 | stew | luke-jr_work: that woldn't be a good idea |
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| 22:40.20 | luke-jr_work | theory won't fix the system :\ |
| 22:40.25 | streuner | reinstall |
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| 22:40.35 | luke-jr_work | my install didn't give me the rc*.d |
| 22:40.45 | luke-jr_work | so I'm more or less coming from that stat |
| 22:40.46 | luke-jr_work | e |
| 22:40.55 | stew | luke-jr_work: where did your install come from? |
| 22:40.56 | bazz | i have a machine with net access that i want to install debian on. it's currently running windows and i don't have a good way to make boot media (cd/floppy) for it. is there a way i can boot the net installer from windows? |
| 22:41.03 | luke-jr_work | stew: debootstrap |
| 22:41.04 | stew | luke-jr_work: did you install it? how? |
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| 22:41.15 | stew | luke-jr_work: which version of debian? |
| 22:41.19 | luke-jr_work | stew: ? |
| 22:41.22 | streuner | etch |
| 22:41.34 | infernix | bazz |
| 22:41.37 | luke-jr_work | stew: etch was installed |
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| 22:41.41 | infernix | bazz: usb stick? |
| 22:41.41 | luke-jr_work | from FC1 |
| 22:41.46 | streuner | omg |
| 22:42.11 | bazz | infernix: don't have one just now unfortunatly |
| 22:42.16 | MatBoy | !hug MatBoy |
| 22:42.20 | MatBoy | :D |
| 22:42.25 | tralala | does this FC1 by any chance run from vmware hosted by winxp? |
| 22:42.30 | luke-jr_work | no |
| 22:42.34 | luke-jr_work | it doesn't run anymore |
| 22:42.53 | infernix | bazz: well i dont think you can start an installer from within XP. maybe some boot.ini magic but I wouldn't know how. |
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| 22:43.06 | luke-jr_work | infernix: see vmware bit? |
| 22:43.08 | Amarande | In the immortal words of Jr. from Xenosaga ... "Damn it!" |
| 22:43.09 | tralala | if I were you I'd get a sarge netinstall cd and use it |
| 22:43.18 | luke-jr_work | tralala: can't have install downtime |
| 22:43.19 | Amarande | Anyone know the EXACT DRIVER NAME for a Davicom DM9102 PCI ethernet card? |
| 22:43.25 | pinky_ | Is there a package that performs a similar function to "Photo Booth" in Mac OS X? Taking input from a video webcam and capturing an image with different effects? |
| 22:43.29 | bazz | tralala: yeah, that would be great if i had a cd burner :) |
| 22:43.34 | luke-jr_work | tralala: rebooting takes long enough |
| 22:43.38 | infernix | luke-jr_work: huh? vmware? |
| 22:43.39 | Amarande | My Debian box keeps trying to load the Realtek 8139 driver with the result that I'm locked off the network from my Linux box |
| 22:43.51 | bazz | i'll see if i can find a usb key |
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| 22:44.09 | Amarande | I removed the offending Realtek module but I can't figure out which friggin' .ko I need to load |
| 22:44.22 | nvz | Amarande: what does lspci say? |
| 22:44.29 | infernix | !blacklist |
| 22:44.29 | dpkg | i heard blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 22:44.49 | peppet | bazz: it's useful only if your machine can boot from usb |
| 22:44.50 | infernix | amarande: put 8139too in the correct blacklist, problem solved |
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| 22:45.01 | Amarande | infernix: why does it insist it's a Realtek? |
| 22:45.06 | Amarande | It didn't do this the LAST time I booted up |
| 22:45.08 | streuner | there were people in the past who +q dpkg, sometimes i wish they join us again ... |
| 22:45.14 | tralala | luke-jr_work: install it on a second machine and switch the cables - this will give you only a few seconds of downtime |
| 22:45.15 | infernix | amarande: it probably is? lspci | grep -i ether |
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| 22:45.53 | bazz | peppet: yeah, i'm gonna check that |
| 22:46.19 | streuner | cafuego: hey, what's up? |
| 22:46.27 | Amarande | Yeah, lspci says it's a Realtek |
| 22:46.29 | Amarande | but *why*? |
| 22:46.33 | cafuego | sky/ceiling |
| 22:46.35 | Amarande | It's a DM9102, I know this for a fact :P |
| 22:46.45 | infernix | Amarande: well, lspci doesnt lie. stickers do. |
| 22:46.54 | Amarande | And I've used the DM9102 driver every time |
| 22:46.54 | luke-jr_work | tralala: that requires a second machine... |
| 22:47.02 | tralala | Amarande: run update-pciids and try again |
| 22:47.03 | Amarande | infernix: possible for PCI device to be mis-recognized on boot? |
| 22:47.09 | Amarande | Does the kernel rely at all on the BIOS for PCI info? |
| 22:47.15 | infernix | Amarande: what tralala said. |
| 22:47.18 | nvz | Amarande: listen, it doesnt matter what its marketed as, its what chipset is on the friggin card :P |
| 22:47.26 | Amarande | tralala: do I need network access to do that? |
| 22:47.35 | luke-jr_work | tralala: 'downtime' isn't dealing with ethernet here ;) |
| 22:47.36 | tralala | Amarande: uhm, ues |
| 22:47.39 | Amarande | tralala: errrr |
| 22:47.47 | Amarande | the problem is that the *ethernet card* isn't being recognized :P |
| 22:48.01 | Amarande | If it was some OTHER piece of hardware, sure |
| 22:48.13 | Amarande | but when your means of getting ON the network is what's got the problem ... heh |
| 22:48.31 | Amarande | You don't happen to know the name of the Davicom module, do you? |
| 22:49.03 | disasm | I had some corruption of some stuff on a machine (so far I've found problems with utils in the dpkg package) I did apt-get --reinstall install dpkg, which fixed the problem, What I'd like to do is reinstall every package on the machine, rather than trusting the rest are ok, any commands to do this? |
| 22:49.06 | Amarande | I'm going to try forcing it, but I need to know which module I need to load :) |
| 22:49.09 | tralala | luke-jr_work: when downtime is a problem you ought to have duplicating hardware. If you don't - tough luck |
| 22:49.20 | nvz | just about every card you buy has a different chipset than what it says. |
| 22:49.44 | Amarande | Well, it's been a DM9102, and it's always been a DM9102 in every box it's been used in |
| 22:49.46 | nvz | more than half the companies that sell cards dont even make chips |
| 22:49.55 | Amarande | I don't think there exists anything that suddenly changes a DM9102 into a RTL8139 |
| 22:50.29 | trpr | nvz: i thought that was a new fad... change the chipset without changing the packaging. those bastards |
| 22:51.43 | tralala | Amarande: sometimes the manifacturers change the chipset without changing the model. |
| 22:51.55 | Amarande | tralala: we're talking about an *existing ethernet card* here |
| 22:52.12 | Amarande | Unless someone broke into my house, opened the machine, and swapped out just the ethernet chip leaving the rest untouched, I don't think so :) |
| 22:52.29 | Amarande | tralala: Ethernet card IS in fact a DM9102 chipset |
| 22:52.42 | Amarande | It was recognized as a DM9102 chipset by every machine it was in previously (Windows, Linux, FreeBSD all) |
| 22:52.43 | tralala | Amarande: you mean this card has worked with a different driver but now it tries to use rtl? |
| 22:52.49 | Amarande | tralala: Yeah. |
| 22:53.02 | Amarande | Exactly. |
| 22:53.30 | LinuxHelp | how can I get a list of modules that are currently loaded? |
| 22:53.42 | infernix | lsmod |
| 22:53.54 | raf256 | how the fuck can I use tor in debian? |
| 22:54.15 | raf256 | like create a freaking ethX device or something? or is it a damned local proxy |
| 22:54.46 | nvz | from what I am getting there is no DM9102 network controller its usually bundled as a tulip card |
| 22:54.49 | infernix | raf256: you might wanna rephrase that in a more friendly matter. |
| 22:54.51 | tralala | Amarande: download http://pciids.sourceforge.net/pci.ids and put it in /usr/share/misc/pci.ids on the machine in question |
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| 22:55.16 | raf256 | ok, |
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| 22:55.35 | raf256 | what is the method, the fuck, using which I can access the so called TOR servicein the Debian Linux |
| 22:55.38 | pearl | hi ppl |
| 22:55.43 | pearl | i have a little question |
| 22:55.54 | tralala | raf256: I have installed and configured tor in debian by following the tor wiki guide |
| 22:56.07 | nvz | raf256: deb http://mirror.noreply.org/pub/tor sarge main |
| 22:56.16 | raf256 | hmm ok |
| 22:56.22 | nvz | raf256: if you went to the tor website you would know how |
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| 22:56.33 | pearl | if i configure my clients with a gateway, and my firewall is on the gateway, and i disable the firewall in the t-com moden/router/firewall |
| 22:56.43 | pearl | s/moden/modem |
| 22:56.49 | tralala | raf256: If I was able to do it you will be just as well. Oh, it's only in unstable so you have to take it from there. |
| 22:57.11 | pearl | then come the packets from the internet=>t-com-router=>gateway=>client? |
| 22:57.56 | JimPanic | Hey..anyone got some /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy file floating around? |
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| 22:58.21 | JimPanic | Or for that matter, knows where to find such? |
| 22:58.22 | streuner | pearl: try #debian.de |
| 22:58.23 | pearl | or does it just go through the gateway in the output way? |
| 22:58.29 | pearl | struwhy? |
| 22:58.32 | pearl | streuner: why? |
| 22:58.39 | nvz | tralala: tor provides a source for the other debian distros you just have to go to their website and READ |
| 22:58.47 | andreiutz | i want to installdebian on my laptop(asus a6r) . wich version is right for me ? stable , unstable ? |
| 22:58.50 | streuner | pearl: because germans have more experiences with such issues? |
| 22:58.52 | pearl | i wont to debian.de, there iam banned |
| 22:58.58 | nvz | tralala: though considering its nature they probably use the same package for all |
| 22:58.59 | streuner | why? |
| 22:59.12 | LinuxHelp | Why am I the only person in the world who can't get their network working on a Compaq Presario 700? |
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| 22:59.20 | pearl | i think because this guys dont like newbies |
| 22:59.30 | streuner | !tell LinuxHelp about laptops |
| 22:59.31 | eldowan | LinuxHelp: have you tried turning off acpi? |
| 22:59.38 | tralala | nvz: debian does as well and when I'm looking for software I first check debian and then anything else |
| 22:59.41 | streuner | bullshit |
| 22:59.50 | LinuxHelp | eldowan, no not yet, why do you say that? |
| 23:00.08 | eldowan | on my acer aspire I had to turn acpi=off for the NIC to work. |
| 23:00.10 | wakejagr | pearl: only outgoing connections (client -> website, etc) and responses to those connections will come through a router unless you specifically set up forwarding |
| 23:00.21 | eldowan | LinuxHelp: ^^ that was for you. |
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| 23:00.44 | DeathWo1f | hum, does anyone knows if wget -r -H will download the internet or just all of the original domains and its subdomains? |
| 23:00.46 | LinuxHelp | eldowan, er so where do I set "acpi=off" ? |
| 23:00.53 | DeathWo1f | with -l0 that is |
| 23:00.59 | pearl | wakejagr: i see |
| 23:01.23 | streuner | LinuxHelp: via "kernel-parameters" in lilo? Dont ask me about grub... |
| 23:01.33 | LinuxHelp | got it |
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| 23:01.47 | eldowan | LinuxHelp: Hope that helps. I'm not sure it will, but who know. |
| 23:02.49 | infernix | LinuxHelp: at grub boot prompt, just press e, change the "kernel /...." line and add acpi=off at the end. |
| 23:03.17 | infernix | or c(hange) first, then e(dit). |
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| 23:03.59 | LinuxHelp | infernix, yeah I did that, but still acpi seems to be on |
| 23:04.17 | tremor | disasm: problem solved or still looking for a solution? |
| 23:04.19 | infernix | LinuxHelp: maybe you need noapic. |
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| 23:04.43 | disasm | tremor: still looking for a solution |
| 23:04.44 | LinuxHelp | infernix, maybe I need to compile a kernel :D |
| 23:04.47 | fas3r | do you know what the command for desactivate the bip in the computer ( on the motherboard) when X aren't install ? |
| 23:05.17 | tralala | fas3r: bip = beep? |
| 23:05.19 | infernix | fas3r: unplug the wire, or break it off the motherboard. |
| 23:05.29 | infernix | be gentle though. |
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| 23:05.54 | fas3r | infernix, ii know they are a command but i dont remenber it .... |
| 23:06.07 | infernix | fas3r: iirc, man stty |
| 23:06.11 | tremor | disasm: i have an untested 5liner, but better someone else will have a look at it for correct syntax. |
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| 23:06.40 | LinuxHelp | Its very strange, I'm getting link up and running at full duplex, but I can't send a single packet, not even dhcp, the light on my hub goes on but doesnt flash |
| 23:06.43 | disasm | tremor: I'll take a look at it... I have to get going, already been here too long ;-) can you e-mail it to me? disasm@gentux.org |
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| 23:07.30 | tralala | !spam disasm |
| 23:07.45 | LinuxHelp | !spam LinuxHelp |
| 23:07.51 | tremor | disasm: I'll post it into #flood ?! |
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| 23:07.58 | JimPanic | Wtf. |
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| 23:08.44 | JimPanic | My Xorg doesn't start up, because it can't find the SecurityPolicy file. Any recommendations? |
| 23:08.51 | LinuxHelp | And there are like 10 websites all reporting that my network should work out-of-the box on all distros |
| 23:09.09 | streuner | !listvals SecurityPolicy |
| 23:09.14 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'SecurityPolicy' by value returned no results. |
| 23:09.20 | streuner | hm |
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| 23:09.47 | streuner | JimPanic: show us the whole error in paster bot |
| 23:09.49 | streuner | !paste |
| 23:09.50 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 23:10.02 | JimPanic | streuner: ..err. Can't actually..or.wait a sec. |
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| 23:12.40 | tremor | disasm: or have a look at: zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 23:12.51 | JimPanic | streuner: Actually I can't paste it anywhere, because I don't want to write it down word by word. |
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| 23:13.12 | tremor | disasm: modify this a bit using awk and you're on your way |
| 23:13.22 | JimPanic | streuner: X doesn't work, as said. Neither does my mouse, nor anything else which would make me happy. :P |
| 23:13.24 | Firestarter_ | is there a need for a virus scanner in linux |
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| 23:13.34 | JimPanic | Firestarter_: No. |
| 23:13.45 | lately | Has anyone got experience with an NFS share on Windows 2003r2 server mounted on a Linux box? |
| 23:13.46 | infernix | Firestarter_: if you deal with windows hosts through mail or samba, might be handy. |
| 23:13.48 | JimPanic | No need, maybe a use, but definately no need. |
| 23:13.48 | streuner | JimPanic: we need details otherwise we can't help |
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| 23:14.17 | Firestarter_ | thanks |
| 23:14.21 | lately | I want my Linux homes mounted from Windows shares. Is NFS the only way? |
| 23:14.41 | JimPanic | streuner: The only thing it says is: "error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver SecurityPolicy" |
| 23:14.43 | infernix | lately: samba? |
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| 23:15.01 | JimPanic | The rest is normal output. |
| 23:15.23 | lately | infernix: It's a Windows server. |
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| 23:16.21 | harmfool | synaptic is alive |
| 23:16.22 | infernix | lately: so? linux has samba for windows clients <> linux server, and you can use CIFS for mounting windows stuff on linux. |
| 23:16.56 | streuner | JimPanic: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:18.00 | JimPanic | streuner: "ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:18.02 | JimPanic | " |
| 23:18.30 | lately | infernix: I know I can mount a single Windows share using smbmount but it will only have the permissions of the person that mounted it. I want home dirs to be auto mounted from Windows as people log in. |
| 23:18.46 | infernix | lately: CIFS is not the same as smbmount. check it out. |
| 23:18.52 | lately | infernix: ok |
| 23:19.07 | streuner | JimPanic: How did you install X? |
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| 23:19.20 | JimPanic | streuner: Default Etch installation. |
| 23:19.31 | infernix | lately: more precise, CIFS is not what smbfs is. CIFS is probably just what you need. |
| 23:19.53 | lately | infernix: yep. Hopefully... Thanks heaps. |
| 23:20.23 | streuner | JimPanic: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 23:22.21 | JimPanic | streuner: Interesting approach. Yet, didn't magically create a policy file. |
| 23:23.48 | streuner | ok, create it by hand then |
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| 23:23.48 | findme | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:23.49 | JimPanic | streuner: Would the xserver man page example be sufficient? |
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| 23:25.06 | delire | anyone here use the player 'Pytone'? |
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| 23:26.17 | streuner | JimPanic: look in BTS too, maybe there is a workaround, but i would just try to create that file |
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| 23:28.18 | shiftless | hold do i tell debian to quit trying to uninstall kernel-image 2.6.x and replacing it with 2.4.x? i tried echo "kernel-image hold" | dpkg --set-selections but that didnt work |
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| 23:28.40 | streuner | shiftless: /msg dpkg hold |
| 23:28.59 | streuner | but that's in general a bad idea... |
| 23:29.08 | LinuxHelp | omg omg omg all my network problems this year were actually caused by a faulty network cable !! and here I was blaming the linux kernel.. |
| 23:29.14 | streuner | specially for kernels... |
| 23:29.22 | shiftless | well what other solution do i have to keep the kernel at 2.6 and not downgrade to 2.4 |
| 23:29.32 | Knorrie | LinuxHelp: ;p |
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| 23:30.17 | Knorrie | shiftless: find out *why* your system wants to install a 2.4 kernel as default |
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| 23:32.12 | Alexismoy | Hi |
| 23:32.18 | Alexismoy | How to set color for prompt ? |
| 23:32.22 | JimPanic | streuner: Thanks for your help - created a simple SecurityPolicy file. |
| 23:32.28 | Aleks | debhelper, hola |
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| 23:33.06 | Knorrie | Alexismoy: stfw, e.g.: http://networking.ringofsaturn.com/Unix/Bash-prompts.php |
| 23:33.15 | Alexismoy | thx |
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| 23:34.48 | samuel | what could be the cause of this: ive got a gl screensaver running on the desktop root window... whenever ive got a maximized window cpu usage goes to almost 100%, whenever the window is minimized its at mabe 10%, what could be the cause of that? |
| 23:34.49 | shiftless | knorrie: i dont know. what happened was, i did a dist-upgrade from sarge to testing, but then discovered i had forgotten to change the kernel.org source to testing, and thus my libc6, etc had not been upgraded |
| 23:35.14 | Knorrie | kernel.org?? |
| 23:35.48 | shiftless | deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main |
| 23:35.49 | shiftless | deb-src ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main |
| 23:36.24 | shiftless | i think i had to do that cause i needed the kernel source for my modem driver or something, its been a while so i dont really recall |
| 23:37.27 | lately | infernix: I cannot find any documentation on automounting cifs without storing the usernames/passwords somewhere. Got any pointers? |
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| 23:38.22 | shiftless | and now dist-upgrage and install libc6 is wanting to download my kernel image to 2.4.x, which is unacceptable |
| 23:38.24 | infernix | lately: on etch, man mount.cifs, see credentials= |
| 23:38.41 | infernix | lately: probably similar on sarge. |
| 23:39.38 | lately | infernix: I cannot store the passwords at all as authentication is done from the Windows server too. |
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| 23:40.18 | infernix | lately: uhh, you got me there. how does that work from windows clients? you open a share and then run to the server to enter user/pass? |
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| 23:41.15 | shut- | how can i get openoffice |
| 23:41.30 | lately | infernix: From windows the users log into teh domain and automatically have their "H drive". I want users to be able to log into Linux authenticated against Windows and have their home drives being their "H drive" |
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| 23:42.25 | infernix | lately: i dont see that happen. linux doesnt need to log onto any domain; all it needs is to mount the home drive. |
| 23:43.10 | infernix | lately: and by mounting it, it "logs into the domain" already. so an entry in /etc/fstab should suffice, where the users, upon login, might get prompted for their password. or make a login script for users that simulates this domain login thing. |
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| 23:43.19 | lately | infernix: yeah but before it mounts a Windows share a username/password needs to be supplied. I want this automated without storing passwords as users log in. |
| 23:43.25 | shut- | so is there a way to get openoffice.org |
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| 23:43.52 | tremor | shut-: apt-cache search openoffice |
| 23:43.59 | infernix | lately: so you're looking at a script that's ran at login time which pops up a user/pass box for mounting the share. thats google material:) |
| 23:44.21 | shut- | okk |
| 23:44.30 | shut- | is limewire in this |
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| 23:44.32 | lately | infernix: I don't want a popup box... It must be automatic. |
| 23:44.37 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 23:44.37 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 23:44.59 | infernix | lately: how can you automatically mount anything without storing usernames and passwords in either /etc/fstab or a credentials file? at some point the user has to enter a password, right? |
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| 23:45.13 | tremor | shut-: I don't know this. |
| 23:45.23 | shut- | ok |
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| 23:46.25 | infernix | lately: are you saying you want a single sign-on, e.g. when a user logs in at gdm/kdm, *that's* where the credentials should be pulled to mount? |
| 23:46.44 | Amarande | hrm |
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| 23:47.00 | lately | infernix: yep. Or through SSH. |
| 23:47.01 | Amarande | Can someone give me a quick rundown on which packages I need to install a new kernel the Debian Way? |
| 23:47.05 | lately | infernix: through PAM actually |
| 23:47.19 | Amarande | I need to download and sneakernet them, since the machine that needs an upgrade is Not Connected |
| 23:47.37 | wooya510 | when I run "adduser", occur error message : passwd: Authentication token manipulation error |
| 23:47.43 | thompa | just wanted to know if iso 1 +2 are enought to start with amd64 testing? |
| 23:47.49 | infernix | lately: well, that's off my radar. I haven't done that before, but I'd guess you've already set up PAM to auth against the Windows domain so I am guessing it would involve invoking the mount through PAM somehow. |
| 23:48.01 | thompa | or do i need all 3 or 4 |
| 23:48.10 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:48.22 | Amarande | Before I upgrade from 2.6.8 to 2.6.17.13 ... will that break anything in Sarge? |
| 23:49.22 | lately | infernix: yep. Auth is currently working fine and home dirs are auto created if they don't already exist. It's not the plan though. I really need home dirs to be shared from Windows. |
| 23:49.50 | Paras | channel, i have deboostrap sarge in one partition , now want to boot into that.. how do i do? |
| 23:50.05 | infernix | lately: google on smbfs/cifs/w2k3 + automount + pam |
| 23:50.05 | lately | infernix: These linux boxes have but a few gigs of space. The plan was to utilise the Windows shares they already have which total a few TBs |
| 23:50.17 | lately | infernix: been there, done that :-) |
| 23:50.46 | shiftless | does synaptic support remote usage? i.e. if i have a head debian server box on my network, can i use synaptic from my desktop/ |
| 23:50.53 | shiftless | head = headless |
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| 23:51.09 | azeem | shiftless: via X forwarding maybe |
| 23:51.16 | wooya510 | when I ran "adduser account", I can see the following messgaes : "adduser: `/usr/bin/passwd account' returned error code 10. Aborting." |
| 23:51.18 | azeem | though not sure about the superuser stuff |
| 23:51.26 | infernix | lately: so libpam-mount didnt get you there? |
| 23:51.40 | shiftless | probably not worth the trouble then |
| 23:51.54 | lately | infernix: I actually haven't seen that one before...hrmm |
| 23:52.07 | infernix | lately: gosh, my 1st hit on automount+pam ;) |
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| 23:53.01 | lately | infernix: Seems I rolled a 1 on a d20... |
| 23:54.23 | infernix | well i need to detach before i go sleep. good luck & gnite :) |
| 23:54.55 | lately | infernix: thanks for your help.. |
| 23:55.04 | infernix | np;) |
| 23:57.14 | wooya510 | I'm serious,, |
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| 23:58.03 | wooya510 | when I ran "adduser account", I can see the following messgaes : "adduser: `/usr/bin/passwd account' returned error code 10. Aborting." |
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