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| 00:07.10 | shut- | when i open a tar.gz i get /bin/sh: line 1: unzip: command not found |
| 00:07.12 | shut- | that |
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| 00:07.39 | webfreak | why are you using unzip to open a .tar.gz? |
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| 00:07.52 | shut- | dunno |
| 00:07.55 | shut- | what do i use |
| 00:07.59 | webfreak | tar zxvf filename.tar.gz |
| 00:08.11 | webfreak | also see man tar |
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| 00:10.45 | ph00 | damn |
| 00:11.30 | shut- | desktop:/home/eric# tar zxvf /home/eric/Desktop/LimeWireOther.tar.gz |
| 00:11.30 | shut- | gzip: stdin has more than one entry--rest ignored |
| 00:11.30 | shut- | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 00:11.30 | shut- | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
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| 00:11.44 | shut- | sorry about that |
| 00:13.21 | wooya510 | when I ran "adduser account", I can see the following messgaes : "adduser: `/usr/bin/passwd account' returned error code 10. Aborting." |
| 00:13.58 | webfreak | shut-: run the file command on that file, see i it's actually a tar file |
| 00:14.03 | webfreak | s/i/if |
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| 00:14.45 | Sven | hi :) |
| 00:14.51 | shut- | huh |
| 00:14.55 | shut- | file command |
| 00:15.00 | shut- | i am new to this one |
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| 00:15.07 | shut- | i am new to linux |
| 00:15.31 | webfreak | shut-: at the command prompt type file LimeWireOther.tar.gz |
| 00:15.51 | Sven | when i connect to my OpenSSH server, it displays the OS name and version I am using. other SSH Servers display only the protocol version. where can i configure my sshd to also be shy? |
| 00:16.13 | webfreak | shut-: you should google for some newbie guides as well ;) |
| 00:17.38 | shut- | ok |
| 00:17.41 | shut- | i will do |
| 00:18.07 | simonrvn | Sven: see the man page, sshd_config |
| 00:18.07 | bazz | i just installed debian on a dell box and now it panics whenever i boot. always seems to be in smp_apic_timer_interrupt. any ideas? |
| 00:18.14 | shut- | LimeWireOther.tar.gz: ERROR: cannot open `LimeWireOther.tar.gz' (No such file or directory) |
| 00:18.27 | webfreak | shut-: cd to the location of the file first |
| 00:18.35 | shut- | its desktop |
| 00:18.41 | azeem | desktop? |
| 00:18.48 | webfreak | or just run file /home/eric/Desktop/LimeWireOther.tar.gz |
| 00:18.54 | webfreak | grabbed that from what you pasted above |
| 00:19.12 | Sven | simonrvn: i did read it. i found only the "Banner" option, but banner is already disabled. |
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| 00:19.33 | NotherNic | ok so has anyone ever noticed when a butt was stuck, and pulled up quick to retrieve it? |
| 00:19.50 | azeem | NotherNic: do you have a Debian question? |
| 00:19.51 | shut- | desktop:/home/eric/Desktop# file LimeWireOther.tar.gz |
| 00:19.51 | shut- | LimeWireOther.tar.gz: Zip archive data, at least v1.0 to extract |
| 00:19.52 | NotherNic | yes |
| 00:20.04 | NotherNic | What version started supporting wireless devicees? |
| 00:20.10 | webfreak | ahh, so they made a zip file and renamed it to a tarball |
| 00:20.11 | webfreak | idiots |
| 00:20.13 | azeem | NotherNic: depends on which kernel you use |
| 00:20.14 | webfreak | shut-: apt-get install unzip |
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| 00:20.31 | webfreak | shut-: then you can just unzip that file with the unzip command instead of the tar command |
| 00:20.32 | NotherNic | i use the most stable colonel around |
| 00:20.59 | webfreak | ... |
| 00:21.06 | shut- | so unzip filename.tar.gz |
| 00:21.07 | shut- | ? |
| 00:21.10 | NotherNic | it's called a homonym webfreak .... |
| 00:21.13 | NotherNic | kernel colonel |
| 00:21.23 | webfreak | NotherNic: i didn't find it amusing |
| 00:21.37 | NotherNic | that is your prerogative |
| 00:21.38 | trpr | its like a pun and those suck ;) |
| 00:21.46 | webfreak | shut-: yeah, but normally you'd have to use the tar command on .tar.gz files. someone just renamed the extension wrong in this case. |
| 00:21.50 | NotherNic | badump-tss? |
| 00:22.12 | Amarande | Grargh, where's my digicam |
| 00:22.19 | Amarande | I need more than a 16MB pendrive to sneakernet this stuff :/ |
| 00:22.34 | bazz | anyone have any ideas on the kernel panic thing? |
| 00:22.35 | NotherNic | http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 00:22.38 | Ronin | shut-: they gave you teh cmd earlier |
| 00:22.38 | shiftless | burn a CD |
| 00:22.50 | shut- | who |
| 00:22.55 | shut- | ? |
| 00:23.03 | Ronin | 21:08:21] <webfreak> tar zxvf filename.tar.gz |
| 00:23.05 | nevyn | bazz: bad hardware ? ;) |
| 00:23.08 | NotherNic | WTFlol |
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| 00:23.16 | webfreak | Ronin: ? |
| 00:23.23 | bazz | nevyn: i don't think so, or at least, windows was running okay on the box before hand |
| 00:23.35 | Ronin | webfreak: wasnt that for shut- trying to use unzip on a .gz file? |
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| 00:23.54 | azeem | Ronin: read scrollback |
| 00:23.57 | azeem | 02:12 < shut-> LimeWireOther.tar.gz: Zip archive data, at least v1.0 to extract |
| 00:23.58 | webfreak | Ronin: file(1) said the .tar.gz file was actually a zip archive |
| 00:24.42 | webfreak | Ronin: so i had him install unzip and use that on it |
| 00:24.43 | nevyn | bazz: where did you post the panic output? |
| 00:24.53 | webfreak | Ronin: but now he's probably confused :) |
| 00:24.57 | bazz | nevyn: i haven't, i can if you think it would help, hold on |
| 00:25.19 | nevyn | NOT HERE!!!! |
| 00:25.25 | bazz | i know |
| 00:25.30 | nevyn | ok... |
| 00:25.37 | bazz | nevyn: do you want the call trace? |
| 00:25.59 | nevyn | ummm... |
| 00:26.02 | bazz | actually, the call trace is just apic_timer_interrupt+0x1c/0x24 and nothing else |
| 00:26.20 | bazz | although sometimes it's in smp_apic_timer_interrupt and sometimes i've seen a longer call trace |
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| 00:26.29 | nevyn | try booting noapic |
| 00:26.40 | nevyn | or upgrading your bios |
| 00:26.53 | nevyn | or upgrade your cpu microcode |
| 00:26.56 | bazz | nevyn: what's the boot line to boot noapic? |
| 00:26.58 | shut- | i think if i read the debain guide on there site i might clue in duh |
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| 00:27.06 | nevyn | kernel .... noapic |
| 00:27.08 | shut- | am i right |
| 00:27.17 | bazz | nevyn: i'll give it a shot, thanks |
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| 00:28.31 | webfreak | Ronin: we can't be held responsible :) |
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| 00:29.20 | J_P | hey all, are there some msn software (like gaim) that can see other people are invisible for me ? |
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| 00:29.36 | smacnay | what are the services "daytime", "time", and "discard"? |
| 00:29.50 | bws42 | daytime and time are time services |
| 00:29.50 | smacnay | Are they necessary or can they be closed down? |
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| 00:30.01 | bazz | in grub, how do i figure out what the valid file args are to kernel? |
| 00:30.01 | Amarande | smacnay: they should be closed down in almost all cases |
| 00:30.02 | bws42 | they can all be closed down |
| 00:30.02 | corresponder | ole |
| 00:30.11 | smacnay | thanks |
| 00:30.17 | smacnay | what is discard? |
| 00:30.30 | mortal5 | Hi all, I'm thinking about using dm-crypt to encrypt my hard drive, I had a few questions first |
| 00:30.44 | Ronin | J_P: umm if theyre invisible maybe they DONT want to be disturbed |
| 00:31.06 | mortal5 | does anyone here have experience with encrypting drives? |
| 00:31.12 | Amarande | J_P: There's only one way to tell if an invisible person is there |
| 00:31.15 | Amarande | "try messaging them" |
| 00:31.26 | Ronin | mortal5: not yet but ive been thinking about it, not that that helps any |
| 00:31.35 | mortal5 | :) |
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| 00:32.09 | mortal5 | I was wondering if it is really nessesary to dd urandom a drive straight from the factory |
| 00:33.11 | bazz | nevyn: that seems to have caused init to panic and segfault :) but the kernel isn't panicing anymore |
| 00:33.12 | J_P | Amarande: ehehe good! |
| 00:33.19 | miraterre | noob here - trying to follow a tutorial that has me putting files in /proc/acpi but I cannot write to that folder - anyone have ideas? I'm su and tried chmod 777 on that folder |
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| 00:34.14 | Alexismoy | someone has a good howto to setup mysql virtuals accounts (for mail, web space, ftp access and ssh,...)? |
| 00:34.15 | stew | miraterre: putting files into /proc is never the right thing. are you sure that is what the tutorial is telling you to do? |
| 00:34.29 | miraterre | yes, /proc/acpi |
| 00:34.37 | miraterre | for an acpi installation |
| 00:34.41 | stew | miraterre: where is the tutorial? |
| 00:35.04 | miraterre | here, under "setting up" http://www.da-cha.org/letsnote/ |
| 00:35.33 | stew | miraterre: /etc/acpi, not /proc/acpi |
| 00:36.00 | miraterre | lol, wtf was I thinking! |
| 00:36.16 | miraterre | thanks! why could I not write to it though? |
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| 00:36.47 | Rinnt | hey guys, Does anyone know of a GUI Java programming environement? I picked up a Java class and would like to code on Linux... |
| 00:37.02 | stew | miraterre: becuase /proc isn't a real filesystem, its a way of viewing (and in some limited cases altering) the state of your running kernel |
| 00:37.18 | shut- | how do u create a dir |
| 00:37.19 | webfreak | Rinnt: eclipse? |
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| 00:37.29 | stew | shut-: which mkdir |
| 00:37.36 | stew | shut-: err, with mkdir |
| 00:37.38 | IneedHelp | testing testing, is irc working? |
| 00:37.42 | trpr | Rinnt: yeah, eclipse.. but if you really want to learn, i would ditch that junk and pick up vi |
| 00:37.43 | webfreak | no |
| 00:37.46 | stew | !hi IneedHelp |
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| 00:37.48 | miraterre | ok, cool - unfortunately do not have a /etc/acpi so we'll see how this goes |
| 00:38.09 | stew | miraterre: apt-get install acpi acpid |
| 00:38.20 | Rinnt | thanks webfreak and trpr ... yeah, I could either use vi or the SDK available from Sun... but I"m seriously new to this stuff.... |
| 00:38.29 | Rinnt | hopfully I'll be to that point someday =) |
| 00:39.02 | wooya510 | When I access to Server with ssh, it is disconnected after 1 minutes |
| 00:39.04 | BankHead | I'll find out |
| 00:39.15 | wooya510 | After reboot, same thing |
| 00:39.18 | Ronin | not its broke IneedHelp |
| 00:39.37 | stew | wooya510: are you behind a natting firewall? often those will timeout idle connections |
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| 00:40.24 | tuv | hi everybody |
| 00:40.49 | wooya510 | stew, no |
| 00:41.14 | wooya510 | stew, lol now connected |
| 00:41.20 | stew | wooya510: is the connection idle when it gets disconnected? |
| 00:41.27 | stew | !abrotmoo |
| 00:41.28 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
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| 00:42.42 | dan2 | abrotman: yo |
| 00:43.02 | abrotman | dan2: hi |
| 00:43.04 | abrotman | stew: hi |
| 00:43.07 | shut- | what one is for java |
| 00:43.21 | abrotman | hi CompWizrd |
| 00:43.24 | shut- | is it apt-get install java or what |
| 00:43.55 | wooya510 | stew, lol now disconnected |
| 00:44.04 | tuv | !tell shut- about install java |
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| 00:44.27 | CompWizrd | abrotman: did you remember to bring us some snow? |
| 00:44.32 | stew | i wish i were in the state of mind where random ssh disconnects actually caused me to laugh out loud |
| 00:44.34 | bws42 | !tell bws42 about install java |
| 00:44.54 | Ronin | CompWizrd: you want snow? give me a couple of months ill send you amounts measured in feet of it |
| 00:45.01 | abrotman | CompWizrd: wasn't quite that cold |
| 00:45.19 | tuv | bws42, use /msg dpkg install java instead |
| 00:45.20 | bws42 | doh, dpkg's message gets cut off |
| 00:45.20 | CompWizrd | i live in canada, just south of Detroit |
| 00:45.23 | CompWizrd | we don't get much snow :/ |
| 00:45.30 | wooya510 | stew, When disconnected, tried to login root |
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| 00:45.44 | Ronin | CompWizrd: ahh a wimpy canadian then ;) |
| 00:45.44 | dvs | CompWizrd: There ain't much south of Detroit in Canada. ;-) |
| 00:45.57 | bws42 | tuv thanks that seems to produce the rest of the message :) |
| 00:46.03 | Ronin | and i wont mention canada south of detroit :) |
| 00:46.04 | wooya510 | stew, But it is delayed |
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| 00:46.11 | abrotman | i flew over CompWizrd today :) |
| 00:46.19 | CompWizrd | dvs: well, yeah :).. we get the angry drunk americans coming over because of the 19/21 drinking age thing |
| 00:46.22 | bws42 | sorry abrotman |
| 00:46.27 | dvs | abrotman: Did you drop him a "present"? ;-) |
| 00:46.47 | abrotman | dvs: eh .. no .. he lives in canada .. that's "present" enough |
| 00:46.48 | dvs | CompWizrd: Yeah, I'm not surprised about that. |
| 00:46.58 | Ronin | abrotman: ahh still envious i see |
| 00:47.04 | abrotman | oh yeah |
| 00:47.09 | CompWizrd | i date an american, fortunately she's rarely drunk, and never angry |
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| 00:47.25 | Ronin | CompWizrd: cant be from teh u.s then |
| 00:47.30 | Ronin | damn fingers |
| 00:47.34 | abrotman | her other boyfriend gets her drunk :) |
| 00:47.38 | CompWizrd | she's from phoenix, arizona, actually |
| 00:47.41 | dvs | CompWizrd: and, therefore, not American. ;-) |
| 00:47.42 | CompWizrd | or born there, rather |
| 00:47.57 | CompWizrd | and then moved to michigan after like 6 months :) |
| 00:48.21 | CompWizrd | my friends call her the honourary canadian. |
| 00:48.29 | abrotman | i was born in MI |
| 00:48.35 | Max_- | a little question... is NTFS now fully supported by linux.. or should I leave it all in FAT32? |
| 00:48.48 | CompWizrd | i showed her that xgl/compiz stuff yesterday, and she loved it.. so that's my on-topic contribution for here :) |
| 00:48.50 | Ronin | Max_-: read is fine, write you still do at your own rick |
| 00:48.52 | Ronin | risk |
| 00:49.00 | dvs | abrotman: Good move! |
| 00:49.28 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:50.41 | CompWizrd | i've driven around detroit at 3 in the morning before.. bars all over the place.. and not the alcoholic type :) |
| 00:50.46 | wooya510 | When I working after access to Server, it is repetitive disconnected |
| 00:50.54 | dvs | CompWizrd: When it isn't office hours, that place is dead. |
| 00:50.57 | wooya510 | with ssh |
| 00:51.17 | abrotman | dvs: uhm .. very very N MI |
| 00:51.19 | CompWizrd | dvs: flints still ahead of detroit for crime though if i remember right |
| 00:51.35 | dvs | abrotman: Canada? ;-) |
| 00:51.49 | abrotman | dvs: close .. frankfort |
| 00:52.13 | CompWizrd | my girlfriend wants to go up to mackinac island to go camping |
| 00:52.15 | Ronin | dvs: we dont let abrotman up here |
| 00:52.15 | CompWizrd | i think she's nuts. |
| 00:52.18 | Max_- | Ronin, okay, thanks... I'll consider stayin on fat then... |
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| 00:52.25 | abrotman | CompWizrd: you gonna mack her there? |
| 00:52.28 | wooya510 | When I working after access to Server with ssh, it is repetitive disconnected. When I try to access, it is connected After a few minutes |
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| 00:53.19 | abrotman | wooya510: fix the router? |
| 00:53.36 | miraterre | stew - you kick ass! I'm almost there but have one more snag: *** Cannot find a suitable Berkeley DB library on your system. |
| 00:53.36 | miraterre | *** Version 3.2.9 or above is required. |
| 00:53.59 | wooya510 | abrotman, router? perhaps, gateway? |
| 00:54.20 | abrotman | wooya510: it disconnects after like five minutes of inactivity? |
| 00:54.24 | shut- | i need help with the java |
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| 00:54.42 | stew | miraterre: apt-get install libdb3-dev |
| 00:55.09 | wooya510 | abrotman, maybe |
| 00:55.09 | miraterre | you rock! |
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| 00:55.45 | wooya510 | abrotman, I using the private IP |
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| 00:55.54 | abrotman | stew: bonus points if you name the band ? |
| 00:55.59 | abrotman | wooya510: so? |
| 00:56.06 | miraterre | whitesnake? |
| 00:56.14 | abrotman | !smack miraterre |
| 00:56.16 | stew | abrotman: scorpions |
| 00:56.20 | karsten | abrotman: LIke that's hard. |
| 00:56.20 | abrotman | !stew++ |
| 00:56.33 | abrotman | karsten: oh .. just because you're 47 ... |
| 00:56.47 | karsten | And it's "Here I am, rock _me_ like a hurricane". |
| 00:56.49 | stew | wooya510: its your NATting firewall timing your connection |
| 00:56.56 | karsten | !agesmite abrotman |
| 00:57.03 | stew | its you, not me |
| 00:57.05 | abrotman | !geezersmite karsten |
| 00:57.10 | karsten | Feh. |
| 00:57.10 | shut- | !java |
| 00:57.10 | Ronin | karsten: is 47? thank jebus, someone older then me in here |
| 00:57.10 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 00:57.36 | shut- | !java <install java>. |
| 00:57.38 | karsten | !win stew |
| 00:57.38 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 00:57.39 | karsten | !lose me |
| 00:57.40 | dpkg | karsten: You Lose. |
| 00:57.55 | shut- | !win me |
| 00:57.56 | dpkg | Congratulations, shut-! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 00:58.03 | Ronin | heh |
| 00:58.06 | stew | i married a hair band fan |
| 00:58.07 | shut- | lol i am in ns |
| 00:58.10 | dvs | Join Condolezza |
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| 00:58.24 | shut- | !installjava> |
| 00:58.30 | Ronin | shut-: short trip then |
| 00:58.33 | shut- | !installjava |
| 00:58.35 | Ronin | shut-: you can /msg the bot as well |
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| 00:58.40 | shut- | ok |
| 00:59.01 | abrotman | !tell shut- about install java |
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| 00:59.33 | shut- | i cant seem to install it |
| 00:59.45 | Ronin | shut-: errors? messages? |
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| 01:00.01 | abrotman | Ronin: no .. why bother? |
| 01:00.07 | shut- | errors |
| 01:00.40 | Ronin | *blink* |
| 01:01.24 | stew | shut-: put the commands you are trying and the errors you are getting into a pasetbin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 01:01.55 | Ronin | shut-: please stop msging me the error :) |
| 01:02.12 | shut- | ops |
| 01:02.14 | shut- | sorry |
| 01:02.24 | shut- | didnt think it went :P |
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| 01:03.17 | Ronin | shut-: use something like pastebin.ca |
| 01:03.22 | shut- | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3718. |
| 01:03.29 | Ronin | or that :) |
| 01:03.36 | shut- | yea |
| 01:04.04 | abrotman | why read |
| 01:04.12 | jmd | Can anyone make any recommendations for a package which will allow users to read their mail via https ? Must be in Sarge. |
| 01:04.16 | stew | shut-: what java application do you want run? |
| 01:04.25 | stew | jmd: squirrelmail |
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| 01:04.50 | shut- | one that will work for lime wire like jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586 |
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| 01:05.00 | shut- | i got that downloaded |
| 01:05.15 | shut- | just cant install it |
| 01:05.15 | stew | shut-: you can't use a free java then, you need to use a non-free one, /msg dpkg java-package |
| 01:05.40 | jmd | stew: Thanks |
| 01:05.50 | rshakin | hey anyone know anything about linux bittorent client |
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| 01:06.15 | eldowan | ask |
| 01:06.15 | stew | rshakin: ask a more specific question |
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| 01:07.25 | shut- | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3719. |
| 01:07.31 | shut- | well i need to go |
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| 01:07.40 | shut- | so cach u later |
| 01:07.43 | stew | shut-: java-pacakge is in contrib |
| 01:07.48 | stew | shut-: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 01:08.56 | rshakin | stew: i am trying to make it so i can use bittorent on my linux server so I can download and then have them show up on my samba networked drive... i know there is a way to automaticly download a torrent by placing a torrent file in the dirrectory, and then having it downloaded |
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| 01:09.37 | rshakin | stew: so my idea is to put a torrent file on the networked drive and have it automatically downloaded |
| 01:09.38 | stew | rshakin: i believe you want btdownloadmanycurses from either the bittorrent or the bittornado package |
| 01:11.24 | rshakin | stew : cool i will look into that |
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| 01:11.41 | dondelelcaro | rtorrent! |
| 01:11.50 | stew | rshakin: ^ |
| 01:12.17 | dondelelcaro | the python based torrent clients suck in comparison to the goodness that is libtorrent9 |
| 01:12.17 | rshakin | checking it out now |
| 01:12.36 | stew | its been i while since i've tried any |
| 01:14.11 | rshakin | ok, cool i will check them out |
| 01:15.30 | Quimby | do these boot floppies have SCSI support?? |
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| 01:16.20 | yarddog_ | any clue on getting dual heads to work in debian? |
| 01:16.20 | webfreak | is anyone else having dns problems? |
| 01:17.13 | eldowan | webfreak: what kind of dns problems/ |
| 01:17.35 | stew | yarddog_: if you had it working in FC you can use the same config file in debian |
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| 01:18.28 | webfreak | eldowan: nevermind, seems to be working now |
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| 01:19.22 | eldowan | got to love thos self healing problems :D |
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| 01:20.24 | webfreak | eldowan: well, it wasn't anything on my end. i think it's just the most heavily trafficed time of the evening. |
| 01:20.42 | webfreak | trafficked? |
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| 01:20.53 | webfreak | heh |
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| 01:21.02 | Capso | Trying to compile something which uses GLX headers, libs, whatever... |
| 01:21.09 | eldowan | webfreak: you might try opendns for a dns server... Havent used them, but *they* say they are fast. |
| 01:21.19 | webfreak | eldowan: bind9 has been working fine :) |
| 01:21.26 | Capso | I'm getting this while running the autogen script: "aclocal: macro `gl_FUNC_ARGZ' required but not defined" any ideas? |
| 01:21.34 | eldowan | webfreak: for your forwarder. |
| 01:21.50 | webfreak | eldowan: as in forwarding dns to another server? |
| 01:21.54 | Capso | Any ideas? |
| 01:22.09 | eldowan | webfreak: yeah, when your bind9 hasn't cached the data yet. |
| 01:22.21 | webfreak | eldowan: so you'd run both concurrently? |
| 01:22.58 | eldowan | well, I guess that you would setup your bind to use it as a forwarder or somesuch. Like many do using their isp dns servers. |
| 01:24.00 | webfreak | eldowan: oh, i just checked out their site. i get it now :) |
| 01:24.14 | webfreak | eldowan: i thought it was another dns server you ran locally, but no :) |
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| 01:26.08 | AndyMcGee | Who can affirm that a processes prioirty does affect the prioity of it's data in the network stack of the Linux Kernel? |
| 01:27.17 | dendrite | AndyMcGee: I'm not sure it does... Interesting question though. |
| 01:27.20 | Capso | Any compile help, yo? |
| 01:27.31 | abrotman | AndyMcGee: ask #kernel ? |
| 01:28.02 | Capso | Getting this error: aclocal: macro `gl_FUNC_ARGZ' required but not defined ... yet, gl_FUNC_ARGZ is defined in /usr/share/gnulib/argz.m4 ... |
| 01:28.05 | Capso | Any ideas? |
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| 01:28.23 | Capso | Perhaps /usr/share/gnulib is not defined as a macros DIR? |
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| 01:28.32 | Capso | If that's the case, where can I define it? |
| 01:29.52 | rshakin | how would i put something in the background using a shell script... like when i am trying to run it as a daimon |
| 01:30.16 | dendrite | rshakin: process & |
| 01:30.27 | dendrite | rshakin: That is, put an ampersand after the command. |
| 01:30.55 | Capso | Any ideas? |
| 01:31.12 | dendrite | rshakin: If you have trouble with the parent shell sending it a SIGHUP, you can try 'nohup <program>' |
| 01:31.26 | dendrite | rshakin: Man nohup for the dirt. |
| 01:31.37 | rshakin | dendrite: yeah thanx the nohup worked |
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| 01:33.04 | AndyMcGee | abrotman, You realy consider that wise? |
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| 01:33.36 | abrotman | AndyMcGee: better than asking here IMO :) |
| 01:33.37 | dendrite | AndyMcGee: I suppose you could hack up a test using ping... |
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| 01:41.36 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:41.36 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 01:41.42 | JimPanic | Got a little problem with my Xorg again :\ |
| 01:41.55 | JimPanic | http://paste.debian.net/12797 |
| 01:41.55 | xinming | anyone here would tell me, since base-config is dead, what should I use to setup the network? |
| 01:42.22 | JimPanic | xinming: netenv ? |
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| 01:42.35 | eldowan | xinming: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:42.38 | eldowan | ? |
| 01:42.43 | Coweater | man interfaces |
| 01:42.43 | JimPanic | Or that one. |
| 01:42.45 | JimPanic | Heh |
| 01:43.09 | Infamy | i just update to the latest stable and my ssh is hosed... i get "No supported authentication methods left to try! |
| 01:43.21 | rostek | everytime i upgrade, i end up with many packages which i don't use. is there a way to control upgrade, say only for specified packages? |
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| 01:44.48 | eldowan | JimPanic: is your mouse section set up correctly? line 540: (WW) Configured Mouse: does not have core pointer capabilities |
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| 01:45.39 | JimPanic | eldowan: It should be. Worked with kernel image 2.6.16. |
| 01:46.00 | eldowan | JimPanic: So it quit when you updated your kernel? |
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| 01:46.19 | JimPanic | eldowan: I've updated the kernel, the nvidia module, the xorg.conf |
| 01:46.29 | xinming | eldowan: I know, but the problem is, I have to teach the newbie to use Linux, and I don't think they would know how to use vi or emacs |
| 01:46.45 | eldowan | xinming: nano |
| 01:46.54 | JimPanic | xinming: gvim ;> |
| 01:47.24 | eldowan | JimPanic: My guess would be to try the nv or vesa drivers. |
| 01:47.44 | JimPanic | eldowan: How to use the vesa drivers? *scratches his head* |
| 01:47.57 | rostek | no way to control upgrade? |
| 01:48.05 | eldowan | in xorg.conf change nvidia to vesa in the device section about the card |
| 01:48.07 | JimPanic | eldowan: Driver "vesa" ? |
| 01:48.09 | AndyMcGee | dendrite, Good thought, thank you. |
| 01:48.11 | xinming | hmm, How to invoke the installer? |
| 01:48.11 | JimPanic | Ok. |
| 01:48.14 | eldowan | JimPanic: Yes. |
| 01:48.28 | JimPanic | w00t! |
| 01:48.29 | dendrite | AndyMcGee: Did you try it? |
| 01:48.33 | eldowan | xinming: installer? |
| 01:48.35 | JimPanic | Well, it works, except for the mouse :) |
| 01:48.44 | JimPanic | And the keyboard o_O |
| 01:48.50 | xinming | the one which you used for installing debian |
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| 01:48.58 | dendrite | JimPanic: Don't get all wrapped up in details, man! ;-) |
| 01:49.01 | phaedrus44 | what is a good non-kde-gnome program i can use to burn mp3 to cd? |
| 01:49.08 | JimPanic | dendrite: ;> |
| 01:49.15 | JimPanic | Yay! frozen! |
| 01:49.31 | eldowan | JimPanic: I love it when that happens |
| 01:49.40 | JimPanic | Seems like the kernel doesn't quite support those event driven devices.. |
| 01:50.15 | JimPanic | Yet, I can cat/proc/bus/input/devices |
| 01:50.17 | rostek | is ;> supposed to be an emoticon? what expression it stands for? |
| 01:50.20 | JimPanic | And get proper results. |
| 01:50.36 | eldowan | JimPanic: what does the xorg log look like using vesa? |
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| 01:50.55 | JimPanic | eldowan: The same as with nvidia. |
| 01:51.19 | JimPanic | rostek: It's for evil grin + twitch (or whatever it's called to close one eye) |
| 01:51.45 | eldowan | JimPanic: have you tried reverting your xorg.conf? |
| 01:51.48 | rostek | JimPanic: my chatzilla can't display it. |
| 01:51.52 | abrotman | peterS: you dork! |
| 01:51.58 | JimPanic | eldowan: Reverting? |
| 01:52.25 | eldowan | JimPanic: roll back to a previous copy |
| 01:52.27 | JimPanic | eldowan: It didn't work before. It's a fresh installation. |
| 01:52.27 | peterS | abrotman? |
| 01:52.42 | abrotman | peterS: beardy told me what you did! |
| 01:52.47 | eldowan | ah. I didn't know the back story. |
| 01:52.58 | peterS | abrotman: you refer to baud.c? |
| 01:53.03 | abrotman | yeah |
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| 01:53.10 | eldowan | JimPanic: have you tried different inputs? |
| 01:53.25 | peterS | abrotman: I like diverting my programming energies to small, simple, useless things from time to time |
| 01:53.37 | abrotman | peterS: can you program me? :) |
| 01:53.47 | JimPanic | It only works with 2.6.16, where there's no header-package available, which I'd need to configure vmware >< |
| 01:53.49 | wooya510 | In A client, when I did nslookup domain, I can see right result but in B client, occurs error messages ; ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached" |
| 01:53.51 | peterS | abrotman: how are you any of those things? |
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| 01:54.03 | abrotman | peterS: uh .. dunno :) |
| 01:54.13 | JimPanic | With 2.6.16 it works out of the box like a charm |
| 01:54.24 | eldowan | JimPanic: what kernel are you using? |
| 01:54.49 | alexbodn | hi all. how can i use the nvidia glx kernel module? |
| 01:54.53 | peterS | is JimPanic related to JimButton? |
| 01:54.54 | rostek | :-Z |
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| 01:55.03 | JimPanic | I'd like to use 2.6.17-2-686, yet using 2.6.16-2-486 |
| 01:55.14 | JimPanic | peterS: D: |
| 01:55.32 | peterS | JimPanic: we had a guy on #debian years ago who went by JimButton |
| 01:55.45 | eldowan | I show linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686 |
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| 01:55.49 | JimPanic | Ah, no, I'm not that one. |
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| 01:56.02 | abrotman | peterS: can we bring thomas_adam back?! :) |
| 01:56.05 | JimPanic | eldowan: The headers for 2.6.16-2-486 are not available. |
| 01:56.05 | alexbodn | jim: do you have 2 machines? ;-) |
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| 01:56.11 | JimPanic | alexbodn: Yes. :) |
| 01:56.19 | peterS | abrotman: wow, how long since we've seen _him_? |
| 01:56.27 | alexbodn | so what's the problem? |
| 01:56.28 | abrotman | dpkg: seen thomas_adam |
| 01:56.28 | dpkg | thomas_adam <n=n6tadam@82-71-33-83.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 275d 2h 44m 9s ago, saying: 'You're welcome.'. |
| 01:56.29 | JimPanic | alexbodn: An old P2 laptop and an Athlon64 machine <3 |
| 01:56.37 | abrotman | peterS: maybe he was actually bob2? |
| 01:56.41 | rostek | >:( |
| 01:56.43 | eldowan | JimPanic: I have 2.6.16-2-486 headers |
| 01:56.48 | peterS | abrotman: heh |
| 01:56.50 | JimPanic | eldowan: ..you do? Wha. |
| 01:56.52 | Amarande | 486 headers? |
| 01:56.55 | JimPanic | eldowan: I envy you LOL |
| 01:57.02 | Amarande | I thought before 686 became the norm, they stuck with 386 compatibility |
| 01:57.26 | EdLin | Amarande: gcc doesn't support 386 properly anymore |
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| 01:57.56 | JimPanic | Hey, I got it too. Weird stuff. |
| 01:57.59 | eldowan | JimPanic: aptitude search linux-headers-2.6.16-2-486 only shows one result |
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| 01:58.34 | JimPanic | eldowan: Yea. aptitude search linux | grep header | grep 16 not |
| 01:58.40 | rostek | peterS: abrotman: this is no place to start up old acquaintances. talk debian or gto. |
| 01:58.55 | abrotman | rostek: are you sure? |
| 01:59.04 | rostek | dead sure. |
| 01:59.10 | abrotman | rostek: didn't i go to college with you? |
| 01:59.21 | eldowan | JimPanic: using your command it still shows up. |
| 01:59.38 | rostek | abrotman: no, but i did F you. |
| 01:59.39 | JimPanic | eldowan: Yea, but it didn't before I added contrib & non-free to the sources list |
| 01:59.39 | peterS | rostek: we are a lot more lenient toward people who have actively contributed toward the channel's goals over some period of time. like, ummm, abrotman and me |
| 01:59.42 | JimPanic | (Etch) |
| 01:59.55 | peterS | rostek: tone it down, please |
| 01:59.57 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. remember rostek ? .. he's the one that told us both to fuck off and die ... |
| 02:00.01 | rostek | peterS: you make the rule here? |
| 02:00.06 | peterS | rostek: I enforce it |
| 02:00.13 | AndyMcGee | dendrite, i see no diffrence yet but im still not sure if im looking close enough |
| 02:00.19 | rostek | then FYI. |
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| 02:00.22 | peterS | abrotman: I dunno, they all start to look alike |
| 02:00.23 | abrotman | peterS: but i don't remember the nick he used before ... |
| 02:00.25 | eldowan | JimPanic: hmmm crazy. Do the 16-2-486 headers work anyh better? |
| 02:00.37 | dendrite | AndyMcGee: I didn't see a difference either. I ran ping, then used renice to change it's pri. I was pinging 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:00.53 | JimPanic | eldowan: That's the weird thing - vmware-config didn't like them |
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| 02:01.15 | AndyMcGee | dendrite, same was i (while already starting it with changed prio) |
| 02:01.18 | JimPanic | It said they would not fit, thus it couldn't build a proper loadable vm mod |
| 02:01.26 | eldowan | JimPanic: Hmm. what was the problem? I'm using vmware, I'll try to help if I can. |
| 02:01.54 | ryan` | is there any way to force the kernel to panic? |
| 02:01.55 | eldowan | JimPanic: did you run vmware-uninstall.pl first? |
| 02:01.56 | JimPanic | First, using gcc 4.1, not 4.0 as the kernel's compiler. |
| 02:02.00 | dendrite | AndyMcGee: I'd have been a *little* surprised if the kernel network stack paid any attention to a userland process' priority. |
| 02:02.04 | rostek | abrotman: you know who am i now? |
| 02:02.05 | JimPanic | eldowan: Eh..? |
| 02:02.15 | abrotman | rostek: i honestly don't care who you are |
| 02:02.22 | AndyMcGee | dendrite, i will read up on the meaning of prio in unix, cya later |
| 02:02.24 | JimPanic | eldowan: Didn't think of that one. :P |
| 02:02.33 | rostek | good, that should be the way. concentrate on debian. |
| 02:02.34 | eldowan | JimPanic: I upgraded my kernel, and vmware-config didn't like me untill I ran the vmware uninstaller. |
| 02:02.47 | JimPanic | eldowan: Wtf. |
| 02:02.53 | abrotman | rostek: if you want i can find logs and see if you're the tard i think you |
| 02:02.53 | abrotman | are |
| 02:02.57 | JimPanic | eldowan: Upgraded to? |
| 02:03.04 | abrotman | ryan`: run with no swap .. use all memory .. |
| 02:03.14 | eldowan | JimPanic: One of the aptitude upgrade; dist-upgrade |
| 02:03.15 | rostek | abrotman: no, if you want. |
| 02:03.21 | JimPanic | Ah, I see. |
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| 02:03.40 | abrotman | right .. makes no damn sense .. go figure |
| 02:03.53 | JimPanic | Weell, first getting X to run with a proper nv module. |
| 02:03.55 | eldowan | JimPanic: I also had the gcc error. I just had to make gcc point to 4.0, install vmware, and rebuild the gcc link to 4.1 |
| 02:03.57 | rostek | abrotman: do something useful. you know anything about upgrade? |
| 02:04.05 | junix | why the hell does samba not work! it running, but i can't access it!! |
| 02:04.06 | abrotman | rostek: do something useful .. die |
| 02:04.18 | JimPanic | eldowan: Tried that too, had quite some errors while building and then at insmod |
| 02:04.29 | rostek | abrotman: do something useful...ggf |
| 02:04.31 | abrotman | junix: do you have any shares defined ? |
| 02:04.32 | peterS | rostek,abrotman: enough |
| 02:04.40 | eldowan | hmm. have you tried CC=4.0? |
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| 02:04.47 | eldowan | JimPanic: ^ thats for you |
| 02:04.48 | abrotman | junix: and check your smb logs |
| 02:04.55 | rostek | peterS: i can accept that since you are being fair. |
| 02:05.07 | JimPanic | eldowan: Oh, nope. |
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| 02:05.12 | JimPanic | I'll do so. |
| 02:05.20 | abrotman | peterS: you're not being fair! |
| 02:05.25 | peterS | hehe |
| 02:05.27 | rostek | peterS: know anything about upgrading? |
| 02:05.44 | peterS | rostek: what about it? if you are having a specific problem, describe it |
| 02:05.46 | junix | abrotman: it keeps panic-ing!! |
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| 02:06.00 | abrotman | junix: golly .. that's probably why it's not working |
| 02:06.13 | CompWizrd | apt-get install hhgttg ;) |
| 02:06.17 | JimPanic | Stop saying panic! D: |
| 02:06.26 | abrotman | don't highlight on it |
| 02:06.34 | wooya510 | I have error message when I run ping: ping: unknown host www.google.com |
| 02:06.38 | dan2 | abrotman: how are ya? |
| 02:06.40 | abrotman | your dns is broken |
| 02:06.48 | abrotman | dan2: just peachy |
| 02:06.48 | junix | abrotman: its working on other computers tho...grrrr!!!! |
| 02:06.50 | stew | wooya510: man resolv.conf |
| 02:06.57 | abrotman | junix: what does it say in the logs ? |
| 02:07.01 | dan2 | abrotman: are you moldy yet? |
| 02:07.06 | wooya510 | stew, resolv.conf is good |
| 02:07.09 | rostek | peterS: upgrade gives a lot of unwanted packages. can it be controlled, like upgrading only packages specified by the user? |
| 02:07.10 | abrotman | dan2: eh .. not quite |
| 02:07.26 | junix | abrotman: i will pastebin it |
| 02:07.27 | abrotman | wooya510: can you ping the DNS servers by IP ? |
| 02:07.30 | stew | wooya510: what happens when you run "host www.google.com" if you don't get back an ip address, resolv.conf is not good |
| 02:07.43 | peterS | rostek: what I always do is run 'aptitude' interactively. it takes some time to learn the interface, but once you do, you'll find that this sort of thing is really easy to do |
| 02:07.49 | junix | abrotman: sorry, its just been too long...i can't play music through iTunes |
| 02:08.13 | abrotman | junix: i'm not sure how itunes(which doesn't run on debian) is related ot samba |
| 02:08.20 | dan2 | peterS, you know, I've run it interactively a few times, never quite liked it. I do like the fact that it does a better cleanup job than apt on purge/remove, so I always use aptitude install <pkg> |
| 02:08.23 | rostek | peterS: if aptitude can, than synaptic should do to, right? |
| 02:08.25 | stew | rostek: 'aptitude install package1 package2 package3" will only upgrade the packages you specify |
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| 02:08.27 | ryan` | abrotman: in my experiance that just invokes the oom killer |
| 02:08.37 | junix | abrotman: i know |
| 02:08.37 | cr3 | how do I generate a Packages.gz file? |
| 02:08.42 | peterS | rostek: I don't know. they're two separate programs. and I haven't used synaptic much. I suppose it can. |
| 02:08.43 | wooya510 | abrotman, No and All ping don't work |
| 02:08.46 | abrotman | ryan`: it didn't used to .. bastards keep changing things! .. maybe ask #kernel |
| 02:09.01 | abrotman | wooya510: well .. if you can't contact your dns servers .. makes it really hard to resolve hostnames |
| 02:09.11 | abrotman | cr3: dpkg-scanpackages i think |
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| 02:09.22 | rostek | ok, stew has given the straightforward answer, thks all. bye. |
| 02:09.30 | ryan` | abrotman: hehe. the oom killer is EVIL. |
| 02:09.37 | abrotman | ryan`: i blame rvr! |
| 02:09.40 | peterS | cr3: yeah, dpkg-scanpackages is the simplest way: "dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz" |
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| 02:09.58 | wooya510 | abrotman, Now All ping and nslookup don't work |
| 02:10.10 | abrotman | wooya510: can you even ping your gateway ? |
| 02:10.49 | wooya510 | abrotman, gateway ping is OK |
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| 02:11.33 | abrotman | no errors? |
| 02:11.58 | wooya510 | abrotman, The other client is no problem, only this client have this problem |
| 02:12.13 | abrotman | is your netmask correct? |
| 02:12.22 | wooya510 | abrotman, sure |
| 02:12.27 | abrotman | wooya510: what does your /etc/network/interfaces file look like ? |
| 02:12.34 | dan2 | abrotman: I'll tell ya using linux again feels so much better and refreshing |
| 02:12.45 | abrotman | dan2: and you don't look so silly |
| 02:12.51 | dan2 | abrotman: using windows is like visiting hell for $x days and coming back to freedom |
| 02:13.28 | abrotman | did you quit football ? |
| 02:13.32 | dan2 | yup |
| 02:13.44 | abrotman | still not going to go to Uni? |
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| 02:13.46 | cr3 | peterS: thanks! what does this mean: Packages in archive but missing from override file |
| 02:13.46 | dan2 | abrotman: but I doubled my payrate on software |
| 02:13.57 | dan2 | abrotman: actually a tad more than double |
| 02:13.59 | peterS | cr3: it means you don't _have_ an override file. ignore it. |
| 02:14.03 | cr3 | peterS: oh wait, that must be because I specified /dev/null |
| 02:14.13 | wooya510 | abrotman, /etc/network/interfaces file : http://pastebin.ca/168523 |
| 02:14.13 | dan2 | abrotman: good question. If I get to go to a major city, I will |
| 02:14.21 | dan2 | abrotman: i.e. NYC or Philadelphia |
| 02:14.21 | junix | abrotman: is non-us still down:? |
| 02:14.34 | abrotman | dan2: i hear temple will take anyone these days :) |
| 02:14.35 | dan2 | abrotman: or Santa Cruz, CA |
| 02:14.41 | alexbodn | bye friends |
| 02:14.41 | dan2 | abrotman: probably true |
| 02:14.42 | abrotman | junix: nothing in non-us anymore |
| 02:14.51 | abrotman | junix: wrong paste ? |
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| 02:14.56 | dan2 | abrotman: but temple's in a kinda of nasty part of town |
| 02:15.10 | abrotman | junix: oh .. nm .. there's other crap in there about apache |
| 02:15.19 | abrotman | dan2: duh .. hench the joke |
| 02:15.24 | abrotman | hence |
| 02:15.35 | junix | abrotman: ok... |
| 02:15.56 | wooya510 | abrotman, only one of all 3 computer has problems |
| 02:16.10 | abrotman | junix: hm ... not you |
| 02:16.15 | junix | abrotman: i think i need to reboot my pix again in order to paste it. |
| 02:16.17 | abrotman | grr .. nm |
| 02:16.35 | wooya510 | abrotman, all 3 computers have same settings |
| 02:16.35 | abrotman | junix: not you .. i meant wooya510 but it's the right paste |
| 02:16.44 | abrotman | wooya510: all three computers have the same IP ? |
| 02:16.56 | wooya510 | abrotman, no |
| 02:17.10 | wooya510 | abrotman, resolve.conf |
| 02:17.10 | dan2 | abrotman: the difference between philadelphia and suburbia, is that there is shit around |
| 02:17.23 | JimPanic | In philadelphia? |
| 02:17.25 | abrotman | wooya510: does it really say "geteway 172.16.200.254" ? |
| 02:17.32 | abrotman | dan2: i'm well aware of that :) |
| 02:17.33 | dan2 | JimPanic: ya |
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| 02:17.41 | abrotman | wooya510: and it's resolv.conf .. no 'e' |
| 02:17.43 | JimPanic | Aye. |
| 02:17.45 | wooya510 | abrotman, yes |
| 02:17.55 | wooya510 | abrotman, I know |
| 02:17.55 | abrotman | wooya510: it's "gateway" .. not "geteway" |
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| 02:18.07 | dan2 | abrotman: and philadelphia is ranked as having the largest amount of great restaurants in the US by Zagats |
| 02:18.18 | abrotman | dan2: i'm aware of this |
| 02:18.27 | dan2 | abrotman: so have you been to every bar in philly yet? |
| 02:18.47 | CompWizrd | driving in philly was fun.. i can't remmeber if it's half the drivers are unlicensed or uninsured. |
| 02:18.52 | abrotman | dan2: no .. it's too far to drink much and drive home .. and the only person i know still living in the city wants to jump me |
| 02:19.02 | dan2 | CompWizrd: both |
| 02:19.07 | abrotman | dan2: so i go down every once in a while .. for a few beers |
| 02:19.08 | jetscreamer | oh do tell why |
| 02:19.20 | abrotman | jetscreamer: why what? |
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| 02:19.30 | jetscreamer | why he wants to jump you :) |
| 02:19.41 | JimPanic | ..maybe installing 'gnome' wasn't *such* a good idea. |
| 02:19.43 | abrotman | because .. i have a big umbrella |
| 02:19.49 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 02:19.50 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 02:19.53 | dan2 | CompWizrd: the dealers end up in new cars every other weak, mostly uninsured and unlicensed, they just get repossessed and they sell them at the police auctions |
| 02:19.58 | peterS | or perhaps it's a she and she wants to jump his _bones_ |
| 02:20.07 | JimPanic | lol |
| 02:20.18 | junix | abrotman: have you tried samba from experimental? |
| 02:20.24 | abrotman | junix: nope |
| 02:20.28 | dan2 | CompWizrd: and by Dealers, I mean drug dealers |
| 02:20.31 | CompWizrd | i do kinda miss philly in some ways, i used to go there every couple of months |
| 02:20.31 | abrotman | peterS: ah .. yeah |
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| 02:20.53 | dan2 | abrotman: at least there's Jim's, Pat's, and Geno's if I had to choose one in Philly |
| 02:20.56 | abrotman | wooya510: did that fix it ? |
| 02:21.03 | abrotman | dan2: i like tony luke's |
| 02:21.08 | dan2 | abrotman: where's that? |
| 02:21.12 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 02:21.25 | abrotman | http://www.tonylukes.com/ |
| 02:21.35 | wooya510 | abrotman, resolv.conf? |
| 02:21.44 | abrotman | wooya510: gateway .. not geteway |
| 02:21.48 | eldowan | JimPanic: did you get it working? |
| 02:21.56 | abrotman | in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:22.06 | JimPanic | eldowan: I made a mistake.. I said aptitude install gnome. :S |
| 02:22.22 | eldowan | JimPanic: i meant about vmware. |
| 02:22.30 | JimPanic | eldowan: Didn't come to that point yet. |
| 02:22.55 | dan2 | abrotman: pepperoni steak sounds good (looking at menU) |
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| 02:23.08 | abrotman | dan2: they have one at CBP too |
| 02:23.15 | dan2 | cbp? |
| 02:23.23 | abrotman | phillies stadium .. citizen's bank park |
| 02:23.27 | dan2 | ahh |
| 02:23.31 | wooya510 | abrotman, ping is working. So sorry, I'm foolish :( |
| 02:23.43 | abrotman | wooya510: so it was the misspelled word ? |
| 02:23.43 | dan2 | abrotman: I wouldn't attend, I didn't even know the phillies have ever won a game |
| 02:23.56 | dan2 | abrotman: tickets should be free |
| 02:23.59 | abrotman | dan2: it's a great stadium .. they serve cheesesteaks and sly fox :) |
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| 02:24.14 | dan2 | abrotman: yeah, you have to get so drunk that you can't tell the phillies are losing it's so bad |
| 02:24.31 | abrotman | dan2: both games i went to this year .. they won |
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| 02:24.46 | abrotman | i was thinking about going again in a couple of weeks |
| 02:24.48 | dan2 | abrotman: send me your tickets when you buy them |
| 02:24.56 | dan2 | abrotman: I've never been to a winning phillies game |
| 02:24.57 | abrotman | eh .. why? |
| 02:25.04 | dan2 | I've always wanted to go to a winning eagles game |
| 02:25.07 | abrotman | dan2: you just said you hadn't been there |
| 02:25.19 | wooya510 | abrotman, yes... I'm so sorry, I should have check it.. |
| 02:25.19 | dan2 | abrotman: not to the new stadium, I went to the vet |
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| 02:25.23 | abrotman | dan2: oh |
| 02:25.28 | abrotman | wooya510: okeedokee .. enjoy |
| 02:25.34 | dan2 | abrotman: given that the phillies haven't done any better since then |
| 02:25.50 | abrotman | dan2: they barely(1 game) missed the playoffs last year |
| 02:25.58 | wooya510 | abrotman, Thanks for your help...Always |
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| 02:26.02 | dan2 | abrotman: I think we just need to quit denying that all of philadelphia teams suck except maybe the eagles, but they blew it when they had the chance |
| 02:26.13 | abrotman | wooya510: have a good night |
| 02:26.16 | dan2 | abrotman: the flyers deliver on those stanley cups on occasion |
| 02:26.20 | dan2 | but the whole team was canadian |
| 02:26.20 | abrotman | dan2: the eagles suck most of all |
| 02:26.35 | bsmntbombdood | I updated a package with apt-get, How do I get back to the older version? |
| 02:26.46 | dan2 | abrotman: nah, the eagles aren't so bad, they usually make the playoffs, get to the conference finals and blow it |
| 02:26.50 | abrotman | bsmntbombdood: why would you want to ? |
| 02:27.03 | abrotman | dan2: that counts as 'sucks' :) |
| 02:27.12 | bsmntbombdood | abrotman: because I don't like the new version |
| 02:27.14 | dan2 | abrotman: ya, but it's better than the Houston Texans |
| 02:27.31 | abrotman | bsmntbombdood: and which package is this ? |
| 02:27.45 | bsmntbombdood | xchat |
| 02:27.48 | dan2 | abrotman: what the hell do they know about football in the home land of the texicans? |
| 02:28.10 | eldowan | whats that about texicans? |
| 02:28.14 | Clinton__ | *sigh* keeping trying Gentoo and I just keep coming back to Debian.. it just works! |
| 02:28.24 | abrotman | dan2: dunno .. dallas won a few superbowls .. how many have the eagles won ? |
| 02:28.31 | dan2 | abrotman: -1 |
| 02:28.51 | abrotman | bsmntbombdood: is this on etch/sid ? |
| 02:29.08 | eldowan | ahh footbal. n/m |
| 02:29.19 | abrotman | dan2: right |
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| 02:29.23 | bsmntbombdood | abrotman: it's etch |
| 02:29.28 | dan2 | abrotman: I think the eagles actually had a serious home team advantage with the vet |
| 02:29.35 | dan2 | abrotman: most injuries in the country in that stadium |
| 02:29.43 | abrotman | bsmntbombdood: archive.debian.net |
| 02:29.45 | dan2 | abrotman: the eagles almost never got injured on the vet |
| 02:30.00 | abrotman | dan2: and they still couldn't win a superbowl |
| 02:30.12 | dan2 | abrotman: at least it made defense look good |
| 02:30.34 | abrotman | 'look good' .. instead of actually being good |
| 02:30.42 | dan2 | heh |
| 02:30.45 | dan2 | there is no difference |
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| 02:30.50 | abrotman | yes .. there is |
| 02:31.03 | dan2 | abrotman: how many interceptions did dallas' quarterback throw last weekend |
| 02:31.08 | sputnik_ | hey, having a problem with alsa. detects and configures, but no sound |
| 02:31.11 | sputnik_ | silencio |
| 02:31.30 | abrotman | dan2: it's drew bledsoe .. if he's not given time .. he throws them all day long .. but when he has time to throw .. he almost never misses |
| 02:31.33 | sputnik_ | things try to play, but no sound. have messed about with mixer controls, no dice |
| 02:31.39 | sputnik_ | any thoughts? |
| 02:31.43 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 02:31.44 | dpkg | i guess alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 02:31.58 | dan2 | abrotman: are you some sort of staunch dallas supporter or something? |
| 02:32.19 | abrotman | dan2: no .. but bledsoe isn't really that bad |
| 02:32.29 | abrotman | at least he doesn't barf in the big game |
| 02:32.41 | dan2 | abrotman: no, it was more like, "Who wants the ball? *INTERCEPTION*" |
| 02:33.27 | abrotman | dan2: oh .. and mcnabb didn't have any? |
| 02:33.40 | dan2 | abrotman: mcnabb is a worthless piece of shit |
| 02:33.55 | abrotman | at least we agree on that :) |
| 02:33.57 | sputnik_ | ok, everything looks good, except step 7 |
| 02:34.00 | sputnik_ | no sound :) |
| 02:34.01 | dan2 | abrotman: I remember the super bowl the eagles were in, it was the worst time management of any football game in history... that's not even a qualitative feature |
| 02:34.13 | stew | sputnik_: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 02:34.25 | abrotman | _ ? |
| 02:34.54 | dan2 | abrotman: we should bench mcnabb and put A.J. Feeley back in |
| 02:34.59 | abrotman | uh ... |
| 02:35.03 | sputnik_ | didn't seem to help |
| 02:35.12 | abrotman | it's snd_pcm_oss |
| 02:35.28 | stew | either works |
| 02:35.30 | sputnik_ | its loaded |
| 02:35.50 | sputnik_ | snd_hda_intel, codec are loaded, as is soundcore, snd, etc |
| 02:35.53 | abrotman | how can eithe rwork ? |
| 02:35.55 | sputnik_ | mixer, etc etc |
| 02:36.02 | dan2 | abrotman: Feeley can chuck a ball |
| 02:36.10 | dan2 | abrotman: I bet if Feeley was with us in the superbowl, we would have won |
| 02:36.12 | abrotman | anyone can chuck a ball |
| 02:36.48 | stew | sputnik_: run alsamixer and unmute the volumes for pcm and master |
| 02:37.07 | abrotman | and the sox are winning! |
| 02:37.19 | sputnik_ | stew they're unmuted |
| 02:37.25 | abrotman | are the levels up ? |
| 02:37.26 | sputnik_ | have muted and unmuted (while sound is playing) |
| 02:37.28 | sputnik_ | yes |
| 02:37.31 | abrotman | all the way up |
| 02:37.34 | sputnik_ | have put them all the way up, all the way down |
| 02:37.36 | sputnik_ | in the middle, etc |
| 02:37.38 | dan2 | abrotman: ya, and some are better at chucking interceptions than others |
| 02:37.43 | abrotman | is esd or arts running ? |
| 02:37.47 | abrotman | dan2: perhaps |
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| 02:38.46 | sputnik_ | currently trying to find headphones, maybe internal speaker is not connected |
| 02:40.00 | sputnik_ | hm, nope |
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| 02:44.00 | stew | serfurj: what files? what makes you think they are causing problems? |
| 02:44.55 | spldart | USB Hotdrive. Wanna RW with both linux and Windows. Is Fat32 the best way to partition this |
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| 02:45.12 | serfurj | stew: /dev/.udev/db/sdc* |
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| 02:45.36 | SpaceFrog | Hey guys. I just did an apt-get upgrade, and It's bringing up a config that i don't understand.. It's "Configuring locales".. Which one should I use? just the "aa DJ ISO-8859-1" or one of the UTF-8 ones? I'm in Australia, english speaking. |
| 02:45.38 | serfurj | stew: my system stalls during boot: http://67.11.222.152/tmp/udev-boot-messages.jpg |
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| 02:46.09 | abrotman | SpaceFrog: scroll down |
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| 02:46.28 | SpaceFrog | ah, i see |
| 02:46.33 | SpaceFrog | there's already one selected :) |
| 02:46.33 | ngharo | hello |
| 02:46.36 | SpaceFrog | Thanks abrotman |
| 02:47.10 | ngharo | i've just setup a stable box, and dmesg shows hdi and hdk connected to my controller card |
| 02:47.13 | pinky_ | So I'm installing Debian on a MacBook Pro, and it's done installing files, but now it's hung on "Install the elilo boot loader on a hard disk: Running ELILO for /dev/sda1" at 50% and it's not going anywhere. |
| 02:47.21 | ngharo | but /dev/hdi and /dev/hdk do not exist. Any ideas? |
| 02:47.27 | stew | serfurj: those files are dynamically generated, deleting them won't solve anything. what kernel version is this? is it a debian compiled kernel? |
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| 02:48.18 | serfurj | stew: it's a debian kernel: 2.6.15-1-686-smp |
| 02:48.41 | stew | serfurj: try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.16-1-686-smp |
| 02:48.54 | stew | serfurj: that will cause the initrd to be regenerated |
| 02:49.04 | dan2 | abrotman: what's your favorite beatles song? |
| 02:49.14 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 02:49.22 | abrotman | damn you with the hard questions! |
| 02:49.36 | serfurj | stew: i've tried that http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2419358 |
| 02:49.55 | stew | serfurj: what version of udev do you have installed? |
| 02:49.57 | dan2 | abrotman: Mine's Yesterday, followed by Get Back |
| 02:50.20 | abrotman | eh .. certainly not get back |
| 02:50.23 | serfurj | stew: 0.093-1 |
| 02:50.26 | spldart | <:~( |
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| 02:52.10 | stew | serfurj: oh, you are beyond the initrd and into init |
| 02:52.29 | dan2 | abrotman: so what is it? |
| 02:52.46 | abrotman | dan2: dunno .. i'd have to go dig out CDs |
| 02:53.05 | abrotman | there are entirely too many to pick just one damn it! |
| 02:53.25 | dan2 | abrotman: fine, pick your favorite of their #1 Hits |
| 02:53.32 | dan2 | there's onl 27 of those |
| 02:53.37 | dan2 | only |
| 02:53.43 | stew | serfurj: you might try /msg dpkg fresh udev config ; or /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 02:54.21 | abrotman | dan2: norwegian wood ? |
| 02:54.29 | dan2 | dont' think I've heard of that one |
| 02:54.42 | abrotman | slacker |
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| 02:56.30 | serfurj | stew: thanks. i'll try the udev one (this didn't print anything /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel) |
| 02:56.51 | dan2 | abrotman: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds is also a cool song |
| 02:57.06 | abrotman | eh .. no |
| 02:57.27 | stew | etch upgrade kernel |
| 02:57.34 | dan2 | also "Back in the USSR" |
| 02:57.41 | stew | !etch upgrade kernel |
| 02:57.41 | dpkg | somebody said etch upgrade kernel was to upgrade your kernel in etch run "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-$ARCH" but replace $ARCH with one of {486,686,k7,ppc,etc...} for your specific cpu, if you don't know which arch is correct, ask me about <686> or <486> or <k7> etc. If you are upgrading from a 2.4 kernel, make sure initramfs-tools is used instead of yaird to create the initrd. |
| 02:57.47 | dan2 | !the beatles |
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| 02:58.21 | dan2 | !the beatles are one of the greatest bands in history. Their best song was Yesterday, having the most ripoffs of any song in history. |
| 02:58.21 | dpkg | ...but beatles is already something else... |
| 02:58.33 | dan2 | !the beatles is one of the greatest bands in history. Their best song was Yesterday, having the most ripoffs of any song in history. |
| 02:58.33 | dpkg | ...but beatles is already something else... |
| 02:58.36 | dan2 | !beatles |
| 02:58.37 | dpkg | You don't know who the Beatles were?!? What's wrong with kids these days? |
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| 02:58.44 | dan2 | !delete beatles |
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| 02:58.57 | dan2 | !no, the beatles are one of the greatest bands in history. Their best song was Yesterday, having the most ripoffs of any song in history. |
| 02:59.04 | dan2 | !beatles |
| 02:59.05 | dpkg | You don't know who the Beatles were?!? What's wrong with kids these days? |
| 02:59.17 | dan2 | dpkg: no, the beatles is one of the greatest bands in history. Their best song was Yesterday, having the most ripoffs of any song in history. |
| 02:59.18 | dpkg | dan2: okay |
| 02:59.21 | dan2 | bout time |
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| 03:00.16 | dan2 | the long and winding road also interesting |
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| 03:00.35 | thompa | !nvidia |
| 03:00.35 | dpkg | methinks nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 03:00.43 | abrotman | dan2: maybe you sohuld buy the boxed set |
| 03:00.51 | dan2 | abrotman: isn't that like 30 cds? |
| 03:00.59 | abrotman | so waht? |
| 03:01.04 | abrotman | it's better than only having "1" :) |
| 03:01.06 | dan2 | who has the time? |
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| 03:01.21 | abrotman | you will when college starts :) |
| 03:01.48 | dan2 | that's a big if abrotman |
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| 03:03.08 | ice | any chance someone familiar with clusters is about? |
| 03:03.13 | abrotman | just ask |
| 03:03.24 | CompWizrd | nt, and clusters? nt and clusterfucks? |
| 03:03.39 | dan2 | CompWizrd: heh |
| 03:04.03 | ice | would a cluster be benefial for a bbs that offers http/ftp/telnet/gopher/finger daemons and runs dosemu for dos doors? |
| 03:04.18 | abrotman | bbs ? |
| 03:04.25 | ice | first internet |
| 03:04.28 | abrotman | as in .. LoRD? dopewars? bbs ? |
| 03:04.34 | ice | bulletin board system |
| 03:04.37 | ice | yeah |
| 03:04.43 | dan2 | abrotman: buletin board system, you know, the archaeic garbage we dumped for the internet |
| 03:04.44 | abrotman | you need a cluster?! |
| 03:04.45 | ice | as in syncrhonet bbs |
| 03:05.02 | dan2 | ice, all that crap ran on one system before we even had a 233mhz machine |
| 03:05.13 | dan2 | ice, what the hell do you need a cluster for that? |
| 03:05.18 | ice | would one be of benefit is what i was wondering especially for dosemu dos doors |
| 03:05.43 | abrotman | ice: i honestly doubt it .. but you can see what the system load is .. disk io .. etc |
| 03:05.46 | ice | didnt have http/ftp/telnet and all that stuff before |
| 03:06.24 | dan2 | ice, have you ever seriously looked into the systems usage of any of those and then combine them |
| 03:06.47 | dan2 | ice, I've never been able to overload an apache server, a proftp server, or a telnet server |
| 03:06.56 | dan2 | and you still can't on a 500 mhz machine |
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| 03:06.59 | abrotman | apache is easy .. use ab |
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| 03:07.06 | dan2 | abrotman: ab? |
| 03:07.21 | abrotman | mimic 100,000 with 10,000 concurrent requests :) |
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| 03:07.32 | dan2 | that sounds pathetically useful |
| 03:07.33 | ice | hell all i have been able to get working thus far was a RH9 with openmosix and that didnt appear helpful... was just looking at ultramonkey and it utilizes sarge and/or RHEL 3 best according to site docs |
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| 03:08.11 | dan2 | abrotman: we have this beautiful thing called throttling in apache, and smart firewalls that kick morons who do that's ass |
| 03:08.44 | abrotman | dan2: i just told you how to do it .. i didn't say there weren't ways to control it |
| 03:09.22 | ice | where i would need it would be when 3 or more are are dosemu sessions and a couple of hefty d/l were happening |
| 03:10.16 | dan2 | abrotman: my favorite song of all time is shine on you crazy diamond, both sides combined |
| 03:10.19 | abrotman | ice: you could try other methods .. like maybe vmware and freedos |
| 03:10.31 | abrotman | dan2: you changed your mind in 30 minutes ? |
| 03:10.47 | dan2 | abrotman: I said my favorite beatles song was yesterday, I like Pink Floyd more than the Beatles |
| 03:10.54 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 03:11.00 | abrotman | you and streuner .. weirdos |
| 03:11.06 | ice | loaded up suse as centos 4 doesnt do vmware needed something easily rpm installable |
| 03:11.09 | abrotman | of course .. you only have listened to beatles '1' |
| 03:11.10 | dan2 | !pink floyd |
| 03:11.10 | dpkg | Information about Pink Floyd is divided into "early floyd," "middle floyd," "late floyd," and "current floyd." Please ask about one of these |
| 03:11.18 | dan2 | !middle floyd |
| 03:11.19 | dpkg | Soon after the release of their first album, "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn," Barrett became consumed with drugs and overdosed on LSD. Syd was not dead or alive in a sense, but a vegetable. Consequently, David Gilmour took his place. In 1973 they released their most famous album, Dark Side of the Moon |
| 03:11.27 | abrotman | ice: centos is RHES afaik |
| 03:11.35 | dan2 | dark side of the moon is an amazing album |
| 03:11.41 | thompa | so should i use nvidia installer, I am running amd64 |
| 03:11.44 | dan2 | @ late floyd |
| 03:11.47 | dan2 | !late floyd |
| 03:11.49 | dpkg | After the release of albums like "Wish You Were Here", Waters took complete control of the band, as seen in albums such as "Animals," "The Wall," and "The Final Cut." |
| 03:11.52 | ice | yea and for an OS it is good but doesnt do vmware free server |
| 03:11.54 | abrotman | !msg the bot |
| 03:11.54 | dpkg | i guess msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 03:12.18 | dan2 | abrotman: dark side of the moon may very well be the best album of all time |
| 03:12.23 | abrotman | night dan2 :) |
| 03:12.32 | dan2 | abrotman: night turf head |
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| 03:12.38 | abrotman | you'll learn better .. hopefully |
| 03:12.42 | ice | didnt like "The Wall" ? |
| 03:12.55 | dan2 | ice, the wall is nothing compared to dark side of the moon |
| 03:13.04 | dan2 | tho, the wall is quite amazing in it self |
| 03:13.12 | dan2 | it was like a story line as you listen to it |
| 03:13.15 | dan2 | very entertaining |
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| 03:13.23 | ice | okay what you think of meddle? |
| 03:13.34 | dan2 | it's ok |
| 03:13.51 | ice | takes a bit to listen to the entire 1 track |
| 03:14.10 | dan2 | ice, shine on you crazy diamond is one amazing song (listen combined) |
| 03:14.51 | ice | dan2 you listen much to oilfield as well? |
| 03:14.53 | dan2 | I even like the final cut, tho it was a bit too intense |
| 03:14.58 | dan2 | ice, no |
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| 03:15.09 | ice | dont like his stuff? |
| 03:15.14 | dan2 | never listen to it |
| 03:15.34 | Clinton__ | "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" lets you identify which video card you have, but which package contains the actual resolution settings? |
| 03:15.42 | ice | tubular bells will have to toss it to ya one day after i have ripped it again |
| 03:16.27 | dan2 | ice, have you seen the final cut short film (it's really intense, it'll sensitize you to war seriously) |
| 03:16.31 | nevyn | tubular bells rocks. |
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| 03:16.46 | ice | havent seen it |
| 03:17.04 | ngharo | hello, new debian stable install here. dmesg shows hdg, hdi, and hdk detected |
| 03:17.14 | ngharo | but these disks do not appear under /dev |
| 03:17.19 | ngharo | any ideas? |
| 03:17.53 | nevyn | ngharo: you have hda - hdf tho? |
| 03:17.58 | ice | glad you could get stable installed.... got me 3 nice coasters of sarge |
| 03:18.16 | sputnik_ | w00t |
| 03:18.20 | nevyn | ngharo: you may need to create the additional device nodes by hand |
| 03:18.20 | sputnik_ | alsa drivers were borked |
| 03:18.25 | ngharo | nevyn: a-h |
| 03:18.26 | sputnik_ | recompiled them with module assistant |
| 03:18.30 | sputnik_ | it works now |
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| 03:18.59 | ngharo | nevyn: i'm at a console, could you point me towards the command to create dev nodes? |
| 03:19.05 | nevyn | mknod |
| 03:19.38 | nevyn | ngharo: it seems odd to me you have a hdh but no hdg then... |
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| 03:20.03 | ice | bbl8r have to reboot a nix box believe it or not for new kernel install |
| 03:20.53 | ngharo | nevyn: sorry, that was a typo. hdg does exist |
| 03:20.57 | nevyn | live kernel pgrades are comming. |
| 03:21.19 | nevyn | ngharo: so you have a-h ie the first 8 devices.. |
| 03:21.22 | peterS | nevyn: I'll believe it when I see it |
| 03:21.27 | nevyn | but don't have 9 and 10 |
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| 03:21.34 | ngharo | correct |
| 03:21.40 | nevyn | peterS: really they're comming need a smp system tho. |
| 03:21.52 | nevyn | ngharo: you need to MAKEDEV or mknod the device nodes. |
| 03:21.57 | peterS | nevyn: again I say, I'll believe it when I see it |
| 03:22.02 | nevyn | ngharo: how many ide devices are in this system? |
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| 03:22.53 | ngharo | nevyn: 5, 4 of which are connected via controller card |
| 03:23.24 | nevyn | 5... |
| 03:23.35 | nevyn | that's only hda - hde |
| 03:23.39 | ngharo | i'm dumping an old gentoo install in favor of deb. the 4 disks were setup as a md device |
| 03:23.47 | nevyn | ide devices including cdroms/dvd burners etc... |
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| 03:24.03 | Clinton__ | /server #debian |
| 03:24.08 | Clinton__ | erg |
| 03:24.12 | ngharo | nevyn: 5 cables = 10 devices total |
| 03:24.16 | ngharo | master/slave |
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| 03:24.29 | nevyn | sigh |
| 03:24.33 | peterS | ngharo: yeah, if you want to use the slave device |
| 03:24.42 | nevyn | how many DEVICES... do you have in the system? |
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| 03:24.52 | ngharo | 5 ide devices |
| 03:25.02 | ngharo | all masters |
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| 03:25.06 | peterS | ngharo: vendors of high-performance IDE stuff, like 3ware RAID cards, only use the master on each interface |
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| 03:25.22 | ngharo | peterS: i'm using cheap hardware |
| 03:25.43 | nevyn | peterS: the author of bonnie++ doesn't consider the hit for running master and slaves significant |
| 03:25.51 | nevyn | and has data to back it up.. |
| 03:26.12 | nevyn | peterS: if you have to switch the bus MODE then you're in trouble but if it's all the same mode you're all good |
| 03:26.13 | peterS | nevyn: yes, well, the reliability hit for using the same interface for two disks _is_ significant when you're building RAID that you expect to _stay up_ if a drive goes bad |
| 03:26.51 | nevyn | the reliability is an issue yes.. but then thats what raid6 is for ;) |
| 03:26.51 | peterS | nevyn: so you mean it's a performance hit if you have ATA/66 and ATA/133 drives on the same cable? |
| 03:26.51 | nevyn | and if you're using raid 1... |
| 03:27.02 | nevyn | peterS: more if you have to switch to pio mode for something like a dvdrw |
| 03:27.17 | peterS | nevyn: bleh, why would modern hardware require PIO mode? |
| 03:27.25 | nevyn | ok.. |
| 03:27.40 | peterS | or even MWDMA? |
| 03:27.44 | nevyn | yeah |
| 03:28.02 | peterS | every cdrom drive sold in the past 8 years has done ATA/33, neh? |
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| 03:28.15 | hobophobe | Anyone know a realtime compander for alsa? |
| 03:28.53 | karsten | hobophobe: compander? |
| 03:28.57 | peterS | hobophobe: the combination of the alsa library and the alsa kernel modules do companding for several formats |
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| 03:29.10 | peterS | karsten: a telephony signals geek term for 'codec' |
| 03:29.28 | nevyn | yeah.. but even switching ata/33 to ata/66 or ata/133 causes suffering |
| 03:29.28 | karsten | peterS: kthx |
| 03:29.45 | qball2 | Hey guys, does anyone know if sound blaster audigy ls (ca0106 module) works with debian? everyone on the net has problems and so do i |
| 03:29.54 | peterS | karsten: the term is used in particular for codecs like mulaw and alaw |
| 03:30.03 | nevyn | so if you're copying froma disk.. as master to a slave dvdrw this hurts a lot |
| 03:30.09 | x|e | qball2, it works fine for me |
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| 03:30.36 | plugwash | other than building php from source is there any way to get support for the zip functions in php on debian? |
| 03:30.48 | peterS | nevyn: thanks for the info, I wasn't sure where the performance hit kicks in. just _having_ an ata/33 device like a cdrom on your cable isn't a performance hit except at the times you use it, right? |
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| 03:32.00 | peterS | hobophobe: for advanced audio conversions you probably just want the 'sox' package |
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| 03:32.41 | nevyn | peterS: having it there isn't a problem.. |
| 03:32.51 | nevyn | unless you're accessing it simultaniously with the disk.. |
| 03:33.05 | nevyn | it also may only affect cheap controllers |
| 03:33.25 | peterS | nevyn: see 'cause I'm about to rearrange my system. gonna do raid1 on two disks, I also have a cdrw drive, and only 2 interfaces, so somebody has to share |
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| 03:34.04 | peterS | I'm not sure the disks are both ata/133, one might be ata/100. I wonder if the kernel does any switching in this case or just runs both as ata/100 |
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| 03:35.48 | qball2 | x|e how did u get urs workin? |
| 03:36.26 | x|e | put the module in... installed alsa and turned up the volume :) |
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| 03:37.20 | nevyn | peterS: use lvm |
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| 03:37.29 | nevyn | it will save your life. |
| 03:37.39 | peterS | nevyn: I do. it doesn't change anything here |
| 03:37.46 | qball2 | what was your process again? you uninstall alsa, download the module (form where?), modprobe it, then install alsa? |
| 03:38.04 | x|e | download the module? |
| 03:38.05 | nevyn | it doesn't change any performance stuff significantly but the ability to do |
| 03:38.07 | x|e | the module is in the kernel |
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| 03:38.09 | qball2 | how did u get the module |
| 03:38.14 | qball2 | but its not in mine |
| 03:38.14 | x|e | if you added support for it |
| 03:38.21 | x|e | get a 2.6 kernel |
| 03:38.23 | nevyn | lvm lvextend && xfs_growfs is so phenoominally usful |
| 03:38.28 | qball2 | i do |
| 03:38.33 | x|e | what one? |
| 03:38.34 | Nibbier | >:-( |
| 03:38.36 | qball2 | theres nothin in it for ca0106 |
| 03:38.41 | x|e | there is |
| 03:38.44 | Nibbier | using xinerama (dualscreen) lowers my performance when using kile dramatically, can that be??? |
| 03:38.49 | nevyn | we're using lvm on our mythtv store so that as we buy more disks we can just lvextends and lvextend etc etc etc |
| 03:38.51 | qball2 | lol what the heck |
| 03:38.54 | qball2 | not in mine |
| 03:38.57 | nevyn | Nibbier: xinerama performance SUCKS |
| 03:39.06 | x|e | qball2, what kernel are you running? |
| 03:39.07 | hobophobe | I was going to use lvm, but it's a little steep for my learning. I got close with it, but for one reason or another gave up. |
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| 03:39.24 | qball2 | 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 03:39.34 | nevyn | hobophobe: it's pretty straight forward once you get your head around it.. |
| 03:39.38 | x|e | yea thats why.. upgrade your kernel |
| 03:39.40 | nevyn | there's 3 concepts |
| 03:39.55 | nevyn | pv's Physical volumes.. (these are partitions on disks |
| 03:40.07 | hobophobe | Yeah, I was thinking about making a lvm on a lvm and the nesting craziness that would be possible with software raids within lvms within raids of other lvms, etc. |
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| 03:40.18 | nevyn | vg's These are a set of pv's.. that belong together |
| 03:40.19 | qball2 | how do i do that? |
| 03:40.26 | Nibbier | nevyn, that suxx :( twinview only supports equal resolution on all devices... so i am doomed to use xinerama if i want 2 or 3 screens with different resolution at once? |
| 03:40.39 | nevyn | and then lv's these are logicalvolumes.. that you make filesystems on and use |
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| 03:40.47 | nevyn | most people only need 1 vg |
| 03:40.48 | qball2 | what do i apt-get to get it? |
| 03:40.50 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 03:40.55 | jetscreamer | metamodes work |
| 03:41.00 | jetscreamer | for twinview |
| 03:41.20 | jetscreamer | oh wait it wound up doing virtual nm |
| 03:41.35 | x|e | qball2, apt-get or you can compile one yourself |
| 03:41.49 | qball2 | eh i will just apt-get, whats the name of it to type in |
| 03:42.20 | nevyn | hobophobe: so pv's are the partitions vg's are a set of pv's and lv's are created on vg's and are resizable etc etc etc |
| 03:42.26 | Nibbier | jetscreamer, yep, and virtual sucks imho :\ or do you think its ok to use virtual? i never gave it a try for any longer than 1 minute :] |
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| 03:42.53 | x|e | qball2, use apt-cache search and look. |
| 03:43.02 | jetscreamer | i think it's ok for you... |
| 03:43.25 | hobophobe | nevyn, yeah, down the road I'll probably pull a cheap disk out of my old box or something and play around with it until I feel comfortable enough to go live on it |
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| 03:44.55 | qball2 | lol sorry dude i'm lookin but i'm not seeing it. what version do you have? |
| 03:45.38 | x|e | qball2, i compile my own kernel |
| 03:45.52 | qball2 | anyone know what the latest 2.6 kernel is? |
| 03:46.07 | Nibbier | www.kernel.org knows |
| 03:46.13 | x|e | qball2, type apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 03:46.17 | icyfire0573 | The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.17.13 |
| 03:46.29 | jetscreamer | or linux-image |
| 03:46.39 | jetscreamer | !kernel |
| 03:46.41 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.17.13, prepatch: 2.6.18-rc7, 2.4: 2.4.33.3, prepatch: 2.4.34-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.18-rc6-mm2 |
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| 03:46.53 | jetscreamer | hmm |
| 03:47.04 | jetscreamer | ah that is the kernel.org lookup |
| 03:47.33 | x|e | qball2, i think support for audigy ls was in any kernel after 2.6.14 |
| 03:47.46 | qball2 | so how do i apt-get that |
| 03:47.50 | x|e | omg |
| 03:47.57 | qball2 | lol sorry |
| 03:48.02 | qball2 | sorta new to linux |
| 03:48.03 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search linux-image |
| 03:48.05 | hobophobe | apt-cache search linux-image |
| 03:48.11 | qball2 | used ubuntu b4 |
| 03:48.17 | qball2 | didnt need to kernel compile |
| 03:48.35 | hobophobe | You aren't compiling it, you're just installing the newer one. |
| 03:48.52 | hobophobe | apt-get install never compiles, though some packages you need to compile after you get them |
| 03:48.55 | qball2 | nothing lists when i do that apt-cache search linux-image |
| 03:49.11 | icyfire0573 | qball2, try aptitude search linux |grep image |
| 03:49.14 | x|e | after you do apt-cache search linux-image... look and see what is available then apt-get install <package> of the one you want |
| 03:49.29 | icyfire0573 | Why does nobody use aptitude anymore? |
| 03:49.33 | qball2 | nothing there |
| 03:49.37 | icyfire0573 | or, instead of anymore, at all. |
| 03:49.50 | x|e | icyfire0573, i do sometimes |
| 03:49.53 | qball2 | nothing for aptitude or apt-cache |
| 03:50.04 | twobitsprite | !apt |
| 03:50.04 | dpkg | i guess apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 03:50.08 | twobitsprite | (oops) |
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| 03:51.30 | qball2 | when i do apt-cache search linux i find the kernel-image section but theres no 2.6 |
| 03:51.34 | qball2 | just 2.4 and 2.2 |
| 03:51.46 | jetscreamer | nobody said search linux |
| 03:51.54 | jetscreamer | section?? |
| 03:52.03 | qball2 | i know but i did just to see if it showed a list |
| 03:52.11 | jetscreamer | type apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 03:52.17 | jetscreamer | in an xterm or console |
| 03:52.23 | twobitsprite | what are the current code names? which one is testing right now? |
| 03:52.25 | twobitsprite | etch? |
| 03:52.28 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 03:52.45 | x|e | i need a cookie |
| 03:52.51 | qball2 | nothing for that command jetscreamer |
| 03:52.53 | jetscreamer | !feed x|e |
| 03:52.59 | jetscreamer | sorry no cookies |
| 03:52.59 | x|e | haha thanks |
| 03:53.04 | x|e | :P |
| 03:53.12 | twobitsprite | and is sid always unstable? |
| 03:53.21 | jetscreamer | qball2: try kernel-image then |
| 03:53.26 | hobophobe | sid is doomed/cursed to always be unstable |
| 03:53.30 | jetscreamer | 2.6.8 is about it in sarge though |
| 03:53.35 | twobitsprite | ahh |
| 03:53.37 | jetscreamer | !backports |
| 03:53.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 03:53.51 | qball2 | nothing for that either, and nothing for just kernel-image |
| 03:54.31 | x|e | qball2, your going to either have to upgrade your system or compile a kernel yourself |
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| 03:54.53 | qball2 | ugh lol how do i upgrade my system!? lol |
| 03:55.19 | jetscreamer | !sarge->etch |
| 03:55.27 | jetscreamer | busted |
| 03:55.44 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:56.02 | jetscreamer | dpkg: sarge->etch |
| 03:56.02 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
| 03:56.24 | jetscreamer | ! == short addressing |
| 03:56.32 | qball2 | so |
| 03:56.38 | qball2 | how do i upgrade my stem? |
| 03:56.42 | icyfire0573 | How would I make a copy of an LVM volume? |
| 03:56.42 | ngharo | nevyn: alright, i've checked out devices.txt in the kernel source and figured out i need block device with major=3 |
| 03:56.43 | x|e | lol |
| 03:56.49 | jetscreamer | what the bot just said |
| 03:56.53 | ngharo | but i'm not sure i understand what minor number i need |
| 03:56.57 | x|e | qball2, read what the bot just said |
| 03:57.01 | qball2 | lol k |
| 03:57.27 | qball2 | hmm |
| 03:57.38 | nevyn | oh |
| 03:57.44 | nevyn | ngharo |
| 03:57.56 | jetscreamer | basically, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change whatever says sarge or stable to read etch |
| 03:58.12 | jetscreamer | then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:58.14 | jetscreamer | but |
| 03:58.38 | ngharo | also tried editing /sbin/MAKEDEV to include my other disks, but when i run it nothing seems to happen |
| 03:58.45 | jetscreamer | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7/ |
| 03:58.59 | qball2 | aight |
| 03:59.02 | qball2 | thx |
| 03:59.30 | twobitsprite | what package would have x includes? |
| 03:59.34 | qball2 | god damn |
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| 03:59.42 | qball2 | theres almost 800 mbs of downloads |
| 03:59.50 | jetscreamer | xserver-xorg-dev probably twobitsprite |
| 03:59.51 | nevyn | ok ngharo |
| 04:00.07 | jetscreamer | there's also a xorg-dev package but it's like bigf |
| 04:00.08 | ngharo | nevyn: yea? |
| 04:00.19 | nevyn | the trick is that you currently have devices with major 3 and minor 0 through 7 right |
| 04:00.41 | qball2 | so after it does all this will my kdm still boot on prompt and stuff since it deletes so much stuff |
| 04:00.43 | nevyn | you just have to create a few more devices with minors 8 and 9 |
| 04:00.51 | ngharo | i dont understand what minor is, so i'm not sure i can answer that |
| 04:00.51 | jetscreamer | should |
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| 04:01.15 | Amarande | ngharo: each device is assigned a major and minor number |
| 04:01.19 | twobitsprite | jetscreamer: hmm... I installed that, and configure still fails... do I need to fix paths? |
| 04:01.27 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 04:01.29 | Amarande | any device node (mknod) created with that major and minor number will behave as the device assigned those numbers |
| 04:01.48 | Amarande | for instance, if you mknod a file called "foo" and make it a character node with the same major and minor as /dev/null |
| 04:01.59 | Amarande | then accessing "foo" would work exactly the same as accessing /dev/null |
| 04:02.02 | Amarande | that's how major/minor work :) |
| 04:02.40 | ngharo | Amarande: ok, how would i major/minor numbers on existing nodes? |
| 04:02.42 | peterS | ngharo: the distinction between 'major' and 'minor' are an implementation detail - basically a 'major' usually means a specific device driver, the 'minor' is how the device driver lets you control individual devices that it provides. but this is not always true. |
| 04:03.05 | nevyn | ngharo: ls |
| 04:03.15 | nevyn | ls -l actually |
| 04:03.42 | peterS | ngharo: yeah, so like 'ls -l /dev/null' will show "1, 3" in the size field of the output. that means major 1, minor 3 |
| 04:03.47 | twobitsprite | ls: actually: No such file or directory |
| 04:03.51 | twobitsprite | :P |
| 04:04.16 | hobophobe | ...? |
| 04:04.40 | ngharo | ahh, ok. I see... let me see if i create my new nodes correctly |
| 04:04.42 | ngharo | thx thus far |
| 04:04.47 | Amarande | ngharo: and as I said, major minor are independent of the name |
| 04:05.06 | Amarande | for instance, if I were to make /blah as a character device with major 1, minor 3 |
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| 04:05.12 | Amarande | then /blah will act the same as /dev/null |
| 04:05.31 | ngharo | yea, i see that now. like hda is 3,0 and hda1 is 3,1 |
| 04:05.42 | peterS | correct |
| 04:05.49 | FernandoMM | Hello, how can i upgrade mysql4 to mysql5 on debian sarge? |
| 04:05.58 | karsten | Amarande: What you call the device doesn't matter. It's the modes which dictate how the kernel treats it. YOu could have /dev/peanut and so long as it's major 3, minor 1, it's /de/vhda1 |
| 04:06.05 | peterS | FernandoMM: you need packages from dotdeb.org or so |
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| 04:06.20 | karsten | FernandoMM: man aptitude |
| 04:06.35 | karsten | FernandoMM: ... providing it's available. |
| 04:06.43 | s0| | forgive the noob question, how come I can't use my root password for SUDO but it works for doing SU |
| 04:06.51 | karsten | s0|: man sudo |
| 04:06.55 | peterS | s0|: you use your _own_ password with sudo |
| 04:06.58 | karsten | s0|: That's not how sudo works. |
| 04:07.02 | peterS | s0|: the whole idea of sudo is that you don't have to give people the root password |
| 04:07.03 | FernandoMM | peterS: yes, i added it, but will i loose data from mysql4? Or everything should work fine after it? |
| 04:07.20 | peterS | FernandoMM: I don't know mysql at all, I have no idea what the upgrade procedure is for your actual data |
| 04:07.24 | karsten | s0|: sudo delegates root access (limited or not) to one or more users, using the user's own password. |
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| 04:07.32 | s0| | I see... |
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| 04:07.42 | karsten | s0|: So you don't have the shared secret issue of handing out system root to everyone. |
| 04:07.44 | s0| | has it always been like that? |
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| 04:07.54 | karsten | s0|: Instead, you manage the /etc/sudoers file. |
| 04:08.02 | peterS | s0|: it asks for your password just so that random people can't walk up to your terminal and use 'sudo' to run stuff as root. it has to make sure it's really you |
| 04:08.04 | mortal5 | could someone tell me what module i need to load to support essiv in the kernel? |
| 04:08.06 | s0| | so I need ot add my user to that file... |
| 04:08.07 | karsten | s0|: Well, since sudo's existed. |
| 04:08.27 | s0| | hmmm I seem to recall using sudo on other distros where it was just the root password... |
| 04:08.28 | doublehp | how can I force apt-get update to download a digest instead of a list of paches ? |
| 04:08.35 | karsten | s0|: Yes. su -c 'visudo' |
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| 04:08.49 | optraz | hello stew u there? |
| 04:08.49 | plugwash | knoppix uses it that way for example |
| 04:08.50 | s0| | well thanks that explaines that |
| 04:08.50 | karsten | s0|: ... which will prompt for root's password. THen you can run stuff as root using your own password. |
| 04:08.55 | karsten | !seen stew |
| 04:08.55 | dpkg | stew is currently on #debian-ops #debian. Has said a total of 133 messages. Is idling for 1h 11m 14s, last said: 'enderjones: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) ; although you should consider upgrading to 2.4.27-3 or 2.6.8-3'. |
| 04:08.58 | xdr | anyone know how to use date ? I'm to tired to understand the man file |
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| 04:09.06 | karsten | optraz: Idle for an hour and some |
| 04:09.16 | dondelelcaro | xdr: date; it's pretty simple. |
| 04:09.40 | doublehp | xdr: if you are too lame to read a man page, I may be too lame to read your question |
| 04:09.40 | karsten | xdr: It won't get you a buxom blonde on your lap, if that's what you're looking for. What do you want to do? |
| 04:09.52 | karsten | doublehp: Erm. Some of the date stuff is a tad odd. |
| 04:10.05 | karsten | xdr: 'date' == current date, in current locale. |
| 04:10.14 | doublehp | xdr: do you want to date dondelelcaro ? ^^ |
| 04:10.26 | karsten | xdr: 'date -u' == UTC time. |
| 04:10.38 | karsten | xdr: 'TZ=<zonespec> date' == date in some timezone. |
| 04:10.40 | optraz | karsten: thanks... stuck with PE2950 which he has experienced on |
| 04:11.00 | xdr | karsten: I wanna set correct time,date and year |
| 04:11.12 | peterS | karsten: oh, didn't know about date -u, I always just say 'TZ= date' which does the same thing (a set-but-empty TZ variable resets anything else the system knows about TZ) |
| 04:11.13 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: how can I force apt-get update to download a digest instead of a list of paches ? |
| 04:11.19 | karsten | xdr: aptitude install ntp-simple. |
| 04:11.32 | karsten | peterS: Any invalid TZ== zulo. |
| 04:11.35 | karsten | zulu. |
| 04:11.49 | s0| | has anyone here used LUKS? |
| 04:11.55 | karsten | xdr: You want to set your system time. Best is to use ntpd / ntpdate. |
| 04:12.08 | peterS | karsten: but empty TZ seems to be special-cased, as it correctly labels it 'UTC' rather than using TZ as the label |
| 04:12.13 | optraz | dude, i have rhel but the thing is , when system boot up, it dont boot into the disk. i have set to boot in cdrom. |
| 04:12.15 | ngharo | nevyn: will these device nodes need to be recreated upon each reboot? |
| 04:12.21 | karsten | !tell xdr about ntpdate |
| 04:12.28 | karsten | peterS: Point. |
| 04:12.30 | optraz | is there such thing claled startup disk where i can pause the system and then mount the disk and install ? |
| 04:12.33 | nopalin | anybody has installed xgl on debian sid? |
| 04:12.38 | Quimby | hello helpful ppl:) I'm having problems passing arguments at boot: line. . . . is "linux mem=90M" not valid?? |
| 04:12.51 | karsten | !tell nopalin about ask |
| 04:12.53 | x|e | nopalin, yes i am running Xgl |
| 04:13.05 | peterS | Quimby: wow, talk about a blast from the past. mem= should very rarely be needed these days. it should still be valid though. |
| 04:13.15 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: as far as I know, there's no option to configure that |
| 04:13.15 | karsten | Quimby: Looks sane. Shouldn't be necessary. |
| 04:13.18 | xdr | I Miss my firefox |
| 04:13.22 | nevyn | ngharo: shouldn't but maybe |
| 04:13.33 | nopalin | karsten: lol |
| 04:13.38 | nevyn | ngharo: if you're using udev they should have been created automatically in the first place |
| 04:13.45 | nevyn | if you're using devfs all bets are off |
| 04:13.47 | karsten | nopalin: Just ask your question. Don't take polls. |
| 04:14.03 | nopalin | ok, my csm isnt working, when i make a change, it doenst work, for example when i change skydom image, |
| 04:14.19 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: already 10mn to update from 24 to 30 august ... so, 15mn more till today ? old system used to do it within 2 to 3 mn !!! |
| 04:14.26 | x|e | nopalin, did you ever run compiz as root? |
| 04:14.31 | ngharo | started with a 2.4 kernel |
| 04:14.33 | x|e | if so its your permissions |
| 04:14.43 | nopalin | x|e: yes |
| 04:14.48 | x|e | there you go :P |
| 04:14.50 | Quimby | peterS, karsten, whenever I use that argument I get "Kernel Panic: VFS: cannot mount root on 0:0" or something close to that |
| 04:14.52 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: there are a few bugs open about that; check out apt's bug page |
| 04:14.59 | x|e | do not run compiz as root |
| 04:15.14 | nopalin | x|e: i run compiz as my user and as root, but in both accounts, i cant make changes |
| 04:15.15 | x|e | change the permissions on your home directory back to user |
| 04:15.24 | karsten | Quimby: Poste your full GRUB conf. |
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| 04:15.29 | karsten | !tell Quimby about paster |
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| 04:15.32 | peterS | Quimby: 0:0 means it hasn't been told where the root device is. this should normally be passed in by your bootloader, but perhaps the bootloader doesn't add its own 'root=' argument if you specify your own arguments |
| 04:15.35 | nopalin | x|e: sorry i didnt understad the question.. no i run xgl as my user |
| 04:15.37 | karsten | Quimby: ... to the paste URL, not this channel. |
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| 04:16.09 | xdr | YEAH |
| 04:16.16 | x|e | nopalin, try something for me... gain a root shell, type xhost + then run csm as root and see if it changes your skydome image then |
| 04:16.18 | xdr | now I got firefox installed |
| 04:16.29 | Quimby | peterS, karsten, I am trying to pass this argument when using debian boot floppies for network install |
| 04:16.32 | karsten | Quimby: If all you've got is "linux mem=XX", then yeah, you're missing a rootfs spec. Your best bet is to specify "root=<device>" in GRUB. You can also set that in the kernel itself with rdev (another blast from the past, peterS?) |
| 04:16.34 | x|e | if it does.... you need to set your permissions on your home directory back to user |
| 04:16.47 | nopalin | x|e: nop, i tried all that things without good results |
| 04:16.53 | karsten | Quimby: Your memory isn't being autodetected? |
| 04:17.00 | RawSushi | yo..I'm somewhat new to debian...I'm a bit confused with the repositories..I've been trying to get xcompmgr.. |
| 04:17.02 | peterS | karsten: indeed. I used rdev not very long ago, but it felt pretty antique when I ddi |
| 04:17.05 | peterS | did |
| 04:17.05 | Quimby | karsten my bios will only report 16 |
| 04:17.11 | karsten | Quimby: OK. |
| 04:17.13 | RawSushi | I was able to get xcompmgr at one time... |
| 04:17.15 | x|e | nopalin, you have compiz-start --replace gconf? or csm? |
| 04:17.17 | karsten | Quimby: What's your full boot argument? |
| 04:17.23 | RawSushi | but when I did that, gnome disappeared |
| 04:17.27 | RawSushi | and I couldn't reinstall it |
| 04:17.45 | Quimby | karsten "linux sym53c8xx=safe:y mem=90M" |
| 04:18.10 | RawSushi | Everything else is running perfectly fine...what do I do? |
| 04:18.13 | nopalin | x|e: i start xgl by default, with Xlinking to Xgl, and then i have a script that loads compiz... cgwd & compiz --replace gconf ... etc |
| 04:18.25 | karsten | Quimby: boot floppy? root=/dev/ram1, no? |
| 04:18.26 | RawSushi | I have stable...I was told I need sarge, but I have no clue what I'm doing here. |
| 04:18.51 | x|e | nopalin, gconf is nolonger a plugin |
| 04:19.01 | x|e | take gconf out and replace it with csm |
| 04:19.07 | x|e | and csm will work for you |
| 04:19.25 | x|e | it should look like compiz-start --replace csm |
| 04:19.25 | nopalin | x|e: ahh thanks... i didnt know that, let me try it |
| 04:19.38 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: already on nerves ... http://tinyurl.com/z72ft is blowing my mind |
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| 04:19.59 | eleckttruss | maybe microsoft is going down.... |
| 04:20.06 | nopalin | csm plugind replace gconf plugin really? so it is in place before all other plugins |
| 04:20.07 | karsten | Quimby: What are you booting? |
| 04:20.11 | eleckttruss | maybe my money is going down.... |
| 04:20.14 | karsten | Quimby: ... what image? |
| 04:20.49 | Quimby | karsten using debian boot/root/network floppies for install |
| 04:20.51 | eleckttruss | who is using debian sid and experimental...? |
| 04:20.56 | x|e | nopalin, you should not add any other plugin after csm, or even gconf for that matter... csm and gconf load the plugins automatically |
| 04:21.17 | karsten | Quimby: Testing right now on qemu. 'linux mem=90M' works for boot. One sec as I swap floppies. |
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| 04:22.43 | eleckttruss | karsten, can i install winxp at qemu? now i am use Debian sid and experimental |
| 04:22.51 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: yerp... apt is a complex package, and has lots of bugs |
| 04:23.05 | karsten | eleckttruss: Should be able to. Note that you get about a 50% speed hit, nominal. |
| 04:23.23 | karsten | eleckttruss: That's CPU. Disk may actually be markedly more. VMWare workstation might be a better bet. |
| 04:23.43 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: over 30 mn for apt-get update !!! ETA ~15 left at least ! |
| 04:23.45 | eleckttruss | karsten, vmware is no free.... i hate that |
| 04:23.51 | Amarande | I still just can't imagine anyone running full-blown sid |
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| 04:24.03 | karsten | eleckttruss: it's gratis. It's not libre. |
| 04:24.03 | Amarande | Etch, yeah, but not sid. |
| 04:24.15 | Amarande | Even etch with bits and pieces of sid, but all of sid at once? |
| 04:24.31 | CompWizrd | vmware server is free, workstation still costs money.. neither are opensource |
| 04:24.35 | eleckttruss | karsten, no es gratis men... |
| 04:24.41 | karsten | eleckttruss: I've used a lot of different tools, it's about the most practical at present. You're welcome to try qemu. It's usable, not great. |
| 04:24.47 | nopalin | x|e : compiz: 'csm' plugin must be loaded after 'dbus' plugin, (but i dont have dbus plug in), compiz: Can't activate 'csm' plugin due to dependency problems |
| 04:25.03 | eleckttruss | karsten, cual vmware usas en debian? |
| 04:25.05 | CompWizrd | and compiz is driving me nuts, because of my nick. |
| 04:25.07 | CompWizrd | :) |
| 04:25.08 | karsten | CompWizrd: VMWare "player" is pretty much workstation. Maybe a bit stripped down. |
| 04:25.09 | x|e | nopalin, ask in the xgl channel :) |
| 04:25.14 | karsten | eleckttruss: English please. |
| 04:25.20 | CompWizrd | karsten: yeah, but vmware server seems to be about the same as workstation |
| 04:25.22 | nopalin | x|e: ^^!! |
| 04:25.32 | karsten | CompWizrd: "server" == gsx == headless. |
| 04:25.35 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: #372504 and #385432 are probably the right bug reports |
| 04:25.57 | CompWizrd | i run server at the office, and the vmware-server-console is quite decent |
| 04:26.01 | CompWizrd | both locally and over the network |
| 04:26.16 | CompWizrd | i used to run workstation, and for the most part i don't see much in differences |
| 04:26.27 | eleckttruss | karsten, version of vmware you are using.... for debian witch network support |
| 04:26.53 | karsten | eleckttruss: I'm not |
| 04:27.07 | karsten | eleckttruss: I've used WS, GSX, and ESX to various extents in the past. |
| 04:27.20 | jetscreamer | fix-unmet, karsten |
| 04:27.31 | eleckttruss | ooo ok... |
| 04:27.42 | karsten | jetscreamer: Thanks. I even know what you're talking about ;-) |
| 04:28.19 | karsten | !dselect |
| 04:28.19 | dpkg | i heard dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
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| 04:28.31 | karsten | dpkg: dselect is also see fix-unmet |
| 04:28.31 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 04:28.38 | Piet | I'm looking for a way to edit the contents of an iso image which contains a boot sector and have the result written into a new iso (without loosing or breaking the FS nor boot sector obviously). |
| 04:28.51 | jetscreamer | ooo me too |
| 04:28.54 | Piet | is there a way to do this? |
| 04:28.57 | jetscreamer | come to think of it |
| 04:28.58 | karsten | Piet: iso9660 is a read-only filesystem. |
| 04:29.11 | karsten | Piet: Dump to a directory and re-run mkisofs to generate a new ISO. |
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| 04:29.17 | CompWizrd | someone fix xvnc4viewer too :) |
| 04:29.19 | Piet | i was just looking at unionfs, but that would seemingly make me loose the boot sector |
| 04:29.23 | jetscreamer | what about the booting of the.. yeah |
| 04:29.37 | Piet | karsten: that way i loose the boot sector |
| 04:29.48 | karsten | Piet: Hrm. |
| 04:30.16 | jetscreamer | there's some package that has el torito in the description but i dunno what it does |
| 04:30.29 | jetscreamer | something about bootable cd's though |
| 04:30.29 | Piet | maybe there's a tool to extreact the boot sector as a partial ISO of a complete iso |
| 04:31.13 | Piet | el torito is a specially formatted of boot sector |
| 04:31.47 | doublehp | Piet: from memory, el torrito is not a BS |
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| 04:32.09 | jetscreamer | it's something about booting cd's |
| 04:32.18 | doublehp | Piet: but a directory , or the image of a floppy disk ? (700k, 1.4 or 2.8M max ) |
| 04:32.25 | karsten | Piet: I think what you need is the boot config options of mkisofs. |
| 04:32.42 | Piet | i may be wrong about it being a complete BS. |
| 04:33.16 | karsten | Piet: man mkisofs. '-b eltorito_boot_image' |
| 04:33.22 | Piet | doublehp: the source image is a cdrom |
| 04:33.28 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.03 | Piet | karsten: thanks, i know this part. i lack a way of extracting exactly this boot sector of a complete iso which contains both BS and FS |
| 04:34.16 | eleckttruss | jajajajaja |
| 04:34.25 | karsten | jetscreamer: ... and sparc, and hppa, and ... |
| 04:34.29 | eleckttruss | jetscreamer, says google the bulls!.... |
| 04:34.56 | Piet | my problem is not about how to make the final image of the several parts, but to get all of these parts, and be able to modify the FS part. |
| 04:35.00 | jetscreamer | ah shit i love el torito.. felix is better though |
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| 04:35.10 | jetscreamer | Welcome to El Torito Mexican Restaurants |
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| 04:35.32 | eleckttruss | jjjajajajaja |
| 04:36.02 | jetscreamer | According to legend, the El Torito CD/DVD extension to ISO 9660 gained its name because its design originated in an El Torito restaurant in Irvine, California. |
| 04:36.15 | g333k | how to install jdk 1.5.06 in etch? |
| 04:36.17 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 04:36.31 | jetscreamer | if it's in sources, enable contrib non-free |
| 04:36.39 | stjepan | hi |
| 04:36.41 | stjepan | I have variable myvar and I want to remove last 'ab' from it. How to do this? |
| 04:36.45 | stjepan | with sed, of course |
| 04:36.51 | peterS | jetscreamer: sounds plausible. there is a Debian source package format in development called Wig and Pen, and that is named after a pub |
| 04:36.54 | jetscreamer | #sed lives |
| 04:37.02 | doublehp | !tell g333k about jdk |
| 04:37.03 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 04:37.04 | peterS | (the pub where it was originally specified) |
| 04:37.12 | doublehp | !tell g333k about java |
| 04:38.03 | doublehp | !beer |
| 04:38.03 | dpkg | beer is, like, liquid gold mate |
| 04:38.10 | doublehp | :s |
| 04:38.11 | jetscreamer | !beer all |
| 04:38.23 | peterS | doublehp: enough |
| 04:38.36 | jetscreamer | yeah don't get me started :) |
| 04:38.39 | peterS | jetscreamer: you too. give the bot, and more to the point, the rest of us in the channel, a break |
| 04:39.34 | s0| | could I have just goten "owned" by a website ? |
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| 04:39.59 | karsten | s0|: Perhaps. What OS are you running, what browser? |
| 04:40.05 | karsten | s0|: .... and why do you ask? |
| 04:40.10 | s0| | debian, FF |
| 04:40.30 | s0| | I forgot to put an e on adobe, and now FF is hijacked |
| 04:40.46 | karsten | s0|: Pardon? |
| 04:40.58 | s0| | well I forget the e in www.adobe.com |
| 04:41.06 | karsten | So I've heard. |
| 04:41.09 | karsten | ... and? |
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| 04:41.55 | jrsims | I currently use DHCP to connect to my router, but I need to setup a static IP for this machine now. How do I do this? |
| 04:41.56 | s0| | now FF brings up "Hitbox Gateway 8.8.8-rh26 build 1" as plain text that is all when I got to abobe.com |
| 04:42.11 | karsten | s0|: Restart? Disable javascript? |
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| 04:43.02 | s0| | my debian box seems to be fixed now, but windows still seems hosed. |
| 04:43.13 | s0| | well later got to go fix windows. |
| 04:44.34 | karsten | s0|: Definitely a domain parking site. |
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| 04:47.17 | s0| | karsten, yeah it it %^&*( wacked my boxes |
| 04:47.30 | Piet | ok, i think i got it... |
| 04:47.32 | karsten | Anyone know of a SURBL IP/dns service? |
| 04:47.37 | Piet | http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~krienke/ftp/noarch/geteltorito/ should get me the boot sector of the original iso |
| 04:48.19 | jrsims | I currently use DHCP to connect to my router, but I need to setup a static IP for this machine now. How do I do this? |
| 04:48.52 | karsten | s0|: Try renaming your browser profile. Anything other than browser effects? |
| 04:48.56 | Piet | karsten: such as http://www.surbl.org/ ? ;) |
| 04:49.04 | wireddd | jrsims, I am guessing you have never edited /etc/network/interfaces before |
| 04:49.17 | karsten | Piet: Tell me where on there I can run a 'host -t txt' query and I'll accept your answer. |
| 04:49.23 | karsten | jrsims: man 5 interfaces |
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| 04:52.44 | Piet | karsten: i dont think surbl.org is meant to work this way. |
| 04:53.27 | g333k | how do I know if jdk is installed? |
| 04:53.40 | xNibbler | how can i tell gdm to open 3 different serverlayouts on vt7,8 and 9? |
| 04:54.06 | karsten | Piet: I think you're right. |
| 04:54.19 | karsten | g333k: man dpkg |
| 04:54.34 | karsten | g333k: 'which java' should return something of interest as well. |
| 04:55.26 | karsten | Piet: http://linkscanner.explabs.com/linkscanner/default.asp is a spyware/malware detector. Send it a URL, get a report. |
| 04:55.48 | Piet | karsten: actually, host -t txt smallcompanies.com.multi.surbl.org |
| 04:56.02 | karsten | s0|: tests clean from there. |
| 04:56.25 | karsten | Piet: Looks clean. |
| 04:56.30 | peterS | xNibbler: you need 3 different XF86Config files and you need to pass '-config foo' to each server instance. you can configure different server instances in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf or wherever that file is |
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| 04:57.32 | Piet | host -t txt 2.0.0.127.multi.surbl.org |
| 04:57.35 | Piet | fine, too |
| 04:57.43 | karsten | Piet: Thanks. |
| 04:58.05 | Mike_kayaker | ok back from dapper mov'n on up |
| 04:58.08 | Piet | http://www.surbl.org/implementation.html |
| 04:58.25 | Piet | np |
| 04:59.16 | g333k | how to convert to a deb the sun's jdk file? |
| 05:00.23 | jetscreamer | jsut run the ./bin |
| 05:00.26 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 05:00.28 | xNibbler | peterS, how to i tell gdm to do that? (actually i am using 3 different serverlayout sections in a single config file, specifying -layout foo |
| 05:00.56 | peterS | xNibbler: I don't have gdm installed, please research gdm.conf yourself. it's not a terribly complex file and it probably has a manpage ('man gdm.conf') |
| 05:00.58 | jetscreamer | peterS: the gdm configs have kinda changed |
| 05:01.17 | peterS | jetscreamer: oh have they? in the past year or so? I think that's when I last had gdm installed |
| 05:01.18 | jetscreamer | the one in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf is like a blank to be configured |
| 05:01.20 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 05:01.23 | jetscreamer | recently |
| 05:01.33 | jetscreamer | and the one that is like it used to be is in.... |
| 05:01.57 | wireddd | I have a hard drive on one of my systems thats partitioned with ext3 that is giving me all sorts of fs errors. Is there a non destructive diagnostic tool that I can use to determine what is causing these problems? |
| 05:01.58 | peterS | jetscreamer: maybe you can tell him how to start multiple X servers on different vts and specify their command lines, then..? |
| 05:02.30 | jetscreamer | t /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf |
| 05:02.39 | jetscreamer | not really |
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| 05:02.50 | jetscreamer | but all the example llines are in that file |
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| 05:04.26 | jetscreamer | # The maximum number of flexible X servers to run ? |
| 05:04.37 | jetscreamer | it's well commented |
| 05:05.25 | jetscreamer | looks like the vt's get added automatically |
| 05:05.37 | jetscreamer | but i've never done >1 |
| 05:05.39 | jetscreamer | xserver |
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| 05:06.30 | jetscreamer | i never understood 'flexable' in that context either |
| 05:06.40 | jetscreamer | ible |
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| 05:07.59 | jetscreamer | you can edit the one in /usr/share, and it will work.. but it says it will be overwritten. if you add to /etc/gdm/gdm.conf, changes override, and the .conf will be preserved |
| 05:08.02 | jetscreamer | i think |
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| 05:08.30 | peterS | yeah, all I know is that with xdm it's pretty simple, you just add lines to /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers |
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| 05:08.51 | jetscreamer | xdm was like 'omfg xdm has it's own language?' |
| 05:09.06 | jetscreamer | i never could get that one |
| 05:09.09 | jetscreamer | but i was n00b |
| 05:10.42 | peterS | jetscreamer: well, part of xdm config is done in the syntax of X resource files (like ~/.Xresources). that's no surprise, but it does look odd if you haven't seen it before |
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| 05:14.11 | argnl | what can i do when apt-get wants to install packages which are suggested by packages that are being removed? |
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| 05:17.42 | Mike_kayaker | ok I really want gnome 2.16 but i am a basic noob?? |
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| 05:18.01 | Mike_kayaker | any basic suggestions? |
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| 05:18.17 | wireddd | I think its time for a new computer |
| 05:18.46 | wireddd | this one is slow as crap |
| 05:19.08 | g333k | do you know where the jdk installs by default? |
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| 05:22.41 | jetscreamer | argnl: aptitude used to have a --with-recommends directive, and i think there was the opposite as well... there was also a --with-suggests ... one of the directives got deprecated i think.. but you might look there. |
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| 05:23.31 | kryptoz | Hi Guys ! |
| 05:23.33 | jetscreamer | i'm not sure about it though, i've only used it once when it came into debian |
| 05:23.48 | kryptoz | I was trying to install a 32 bit debian 3.1 in emt64 machine |
| 05:24.02 | kryptoz | it hangs in the starting ... |
| 05:24.23 | kryptoz | is there any known issues with installing 32 bit OS on a EMT64 machine ? |
| 05:24.25 | argnl | jetscreamer: hmm, never used aptitude |
| 05:24.52 | jetscreamer | i did --with-suggests --with-recommends ... :( |
| 05:24.59 | jetscreamer | never touched it again |
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| 05:25.07 | dondelelcaro | it can suggest or recommend it, it just can't depend upon it |
| 05:25.10 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN |
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| 05:25.40 | kryptoz | Oh well the keyboard hangs if i give "linux26 acpi=off vga=771" |
| 05:26.01 | jetscreamer | i read your 'artwork' bob2 the return heh |
| 05:26.15 | argnl | these are mostly doc packages, but its pretty odd to see the doc package installed if the package itself is being removed by the upgrade |
| 05:26.38 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:27.11 | jetscreamer | docs don't auto install as a rule with the packages, they have to be selected |
| 05:27.35 | jetscreamer | so might need to be manually deselected |
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| 05:28.01 | jetscreamer | at l4ast htat's how it's been for me |
| 05:28.07 | jetscreamer | err.... |
| 05:28.11 | argnl | well, i can't see a way to manually deselect a package when using upgrade or dist-upgrade. the status file seems to be ignored |
| 05:28.57 | argnl | maybe a pin would do it? |
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| 05:29.37 | jetscreamer | making the doc depend on the package would be a way i guess... but beyond me |
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| 05:30.05 | argnl | burr.. so manually edit the depends line in the available file? |
| 05:30.35 | argnl | thats seems kind of... frightening |
| 05:30.52 | jetscreamer | i never hardly install docs so ... |
| 05:31.33 | jetscreamer | file a bug imo also |
| 05:31.52 | argnl | i'll do that if i can reproduce |
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| 05:41.58 | Tsop | jetscreamer what's up man |
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| 05:42.35 | jetscreamer | i should be asleep |
| 05:42.37 | Tsop | hey guys how can i reconfiger my xdm |
| 05:42.45 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 05:42.50 | optraz | dpkg-reconfigure xdm |
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| 05:43.18 | Tsop | jetscreamer remember last time u where helping and right when i restart i couldn't start xdm again |
| 05:44.39 | jetscreamer | i remember you but that's about it |
| 05:44.42 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 05:45.13 | Tsop | jetscreamer and when i start xdm the screen kept blinking 3 times then i am back to shell |
| 05:45.30 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:45.49 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 05:47.04 | Tsop | jetscreamer I810(0): [dir] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI |
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| 05:48.08 | Tsop | jetscreamer xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
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| 05:48.32 | pilgrim | Where can I find a list of debian mirrors? |
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| 05:48.37 | Tsop | (EE) configured Mouse: cannot open input device |
| 05:48.40 | jetscreamer | grep mouse /etc/modules Tsop |
| 05:48.41 | xorl | whats a good app for setting wallpapers |
| 05:49.21 | Tsop | jetscreamer psmouse |
| 05:49.23 | peterS | pilgrim: google://"debian mirrors" |
| 05:49.40 | Mike_kayaker | pilgrim: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 05:49.49 | pilgrim | Mike_kayaker, thanks. |
| 05:50.32 | jetscreamer | Tsop: echo mousedev >> /etc/modules |
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| 05:50.53 | jetscreamer | Tsop: modprobe mousedev && /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 05:51.06 | insmod | xorl: depends on wm |
| 05:51.49 | Tsop | jetscreamer that work but the mouse is not working |
| 05:52.02 | jetscreamer | you're the wireless mouseguy aren't you |
| 05:52.18 | zl2tod | can anyone remind me how to find out which package owns a file ? |
| 05:52.22 | Tsop | jetscreamer you are smart :D |
| 05:52.25 | xorl | I am just trying to remember the name of one insmod |
| 05:52.29 | xorl | i don't want to use Esetroot |
| 05:52.30 | xorl | ro |
| 05:52.32 | xorl | fbsetbg |
| 05:52.37 | xorl | it had an odd name |
| 05:53.10 | jetscreamer | i told you, i know nothing about the wireless thing. apparently your base unit is detected, but somehow is not transmitting/recieving the wireless mouse's signal |
| 05:53.16 | peterS | zl2tod: dpkg -S |
| 05:53.23 | jetscreamer | retransmitting/relaying rather |
| 05:53.33 | zl2tod | thanks peterS |
| 05:53.57 | jetscreamer | Tsop: you can hit shift+numlock and use the keypad to move the cursor and hit buttons.. but that sucks :( |
| 05:54.15 | Tsop | jetscreamer ok wait |
| 05:54.16 | jetscreamer | at least that's my take on it' |
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| 05:54.32 | Tsop | jetscreamer the base for the mouse is the same for the keyboard |
| 05:54.42 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
| 05:54.57 | jetscreamer | it sees your 'mouse' so x starts |
| 05:55.02 | Tsop | jetscreamer the keyboard works fine exchept that i have to dmesg -n 1 |
| 05:55.12 | jetscreamer | your mouse doesn't seem to be talking |
| 05:55.22 | jetscreamer | but like i said... i know nothingabout this |
| 05:55.38 | Tsop | jetscreamer coz if i didn't, i will keep getting error about key code |
| 05:55.52 | jetscreamer | well maybe you need to do something similar for the mouse |
| 05:55.53 | g333k | can somebody tell me please how to tell eclipse that my compiler JDK is in /opt/jdk_1.5.08 ? |
| 05:55.54 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 05:56.08 | jetscreamer | man update-alternatives maybe g333k |
| 05:56.11 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 05:56.47 | jetscreamer | or maybe there's an #eclipse |
| 05:58.15 | Tsop | jetscreamer where can i remove the psmouse |
| 05:58.41 | pilgrim | Is this how I do a security update: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; ? |
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| 05:58.55 | jetscreamer | Tsop: nano -w /etc/modules , and put a # in front of it ... ctrl+x to save and exit |
| 05:59.02 | xorl | bah this app is going to elude me for hours |
| 05:59.11 | jooopyme | hi, I have installed debian on /dev/hda7 and grub on hda7. Now I have grub on hda and I want to load the grub on hda7. I use the windows method of grub with chainloading with (hd0,6) and It don't work. Is it ok what I'm doing? |
| 05:59.28 | hcy | hey jw_ you won't believe this - looks like someone fixed the python packages overnight! |
| 05:59.34 | jetscreamer | that would be an update, and if security is in your sources, it would be that yes |
| 05:59.59 | jetscreamer | the what, jooopyme ? |
| 06:00.24 | jetscreamer | no just address it directly |
| 06:00.33 | zl2tod | pilgrim: pretty much, assuming you have security servers listed in your /etc/apt/sources.list - I tend to do the two commands seperately |
| 06:00.34 | jooopyme | jetscreamer: how? |
| 06:00.39 | jetscreamer | iirc.. but you can /join #grub |
| 06:01.06 | jooopyme | ok, but its can be debian issue too |
| 06:01.21 | jetscreamer | yes i'm just telling you to broaden your chances |
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| 06:01.41 | jooopyme | jetscreamer: how can i jump directly to /dev/hda7 mbr? |
| 06:01.43 | jetscreamer | there's always ##linux as well :) |
| 06:01.49 | jooopyme | ;) |
| 06:01.56 | pilgrim | zl2tod, ok. yeah I do the commands separately too, I just wanted to compact the question though. Thanks. |
| 06:02.03 | jetscreamer | don't woory about the mbr thing |
| 06:02.04 | s0| | jetscreamer, thanks for the help last night. |
| 06:02.11 | jetscreamer | np yw |
| 06:02.17 | s0| | tobad I got the got the box ' |
| 06:02.22 | s0| | sploited today. |
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| 06:02.37 | s0| | I feel so very wronged. |
| 06:02.48 | jetscreamer | just make an entry booting the kernel on (hd0,6) or whatever |
| 06:02.55 | jetscreamer | andthe initrd |
| 06:03.10 | jetscreamer | or just hit c at the grub prompt and do it manually |
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| 06:03.34 | hcy | it appears that while doing an upgrade, dhclient was removed from my startup script. any idea why? who removed it, and how should i put it back (other than manually)? |
| 06:03.37 | jetscreamer | or e to edit an almost but not quite right one |
| 06:04.13 | jetscreamer | nn |
| 06:04.18 | jooopyme | jetscreamer: this i know, but what is the command ? |
| 06:04.28 | jooopyme | jetscreamer: I have used rootnoverify (hd0,6) |
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| 06:04.38 | jetscreamer | the same as what's in menu.lst |
| 06:05.04 | jooopyme | jetscreamer: This don't work |
| 06:05.18 | jetscreamer | how many grub installs do you have |
| 06:05.52 | jooopyme | jetscreamer: one on /dev/hda and one on /dev/hda7 |
| 06:05.58 | cleit0n | in windows my tv card play channel 55(mtv) but in linux with tvtime dont? how i do to better capture package? |
| 06:06.09 | jooopyme | jetscreamer: and I want to jump from hda to hda7 |
| 06:06.15 | Tsop | jetscreamer what if i want when to restart my box i want it to go to the shell first now it goes right to xdm |
| 06:06.35 | jetscreamer | you need a line like: kernel root (hd0,6) |
| 06:06.35 | jetscreamer | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17.17.1.2 root=/dev/hdc1 ro |
| 06:06.44 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 06:06.51 | jetscreamer | change the hdc1 to whatever |
| 06:06.57 | jetscreamer | and so forth |
| 06:07.37 | jooopyme | jetscreamer: I will try the command 'root (hd0,6)' |
| 06:07.44 | jooopyme | ok, tnx |
| 06:07.51 | jetscreamer | jooopyme: just hit tab |
| 06:07.53 | jetscreamer | and help |
| 06:07.54 | Tsop | jetscreamer is that for me |
| 06:08.14 | jetscreamer | Tsop: do you want xdm or whatever to start? |
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| 06:09.11 | Tsop | jetscreamer i want to know where i can disable xdm for e.g. from starting when i boot |
| 06:09.29 | insmod | i love it http://www.ultimatesecurehome.com/ |
| 06:10.48 | Tsop | anyone here useing Microsoft wireless keyboard and mouse? |
| 06:10.48 | jetscreamer | Tsop: cp /etc/X11/default-display-manager /etc/X11/default-display-manager.xdm.backup && rm /etc/X11/default-display-manager && touch /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 06:13.29 | jetscreamer | Tsop: you probably want to make sure it's using the explorer protocol.. and #xorg might be of some help i dunno |
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| 06:18.23 | hcy | anybody know why, after apt-get upgrade, dhclient isn't in the startup scripts anymore? when i start up, i'm not connected to the net until i manually run dhclient. what's that about? |
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| 06:29.08 | Presently42 | I'm having some serious troubles involving, potentially, acpi and drastic over-heating. |
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| 06:30.23 | Presently42 | I say this because I've been poking about /var/log and seeing these two things coupled. I would appreciate if some one would have a look and give me thier Thougths and Opinions. I'm using a Toshiba A70 laptop with Debian Sid. |
| 06:33.57 | Presently42 | I've put up the end of /var/log/kern.log at http://pastebin.ca/168699 . Thanks. |
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| 06:35.56 | hcy | anybody know why, after apt-get upgrade, dhclient isn't in the startup scripts anymore? when i start up, i'm not connected to the net until i manually run dhclient. what's that about? |
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| 06:36.37 | zl2tod | Presently42, there's a bunch of class action suits against toshiba relating to overheating. that said, I think I saw something the other day with someone running ubuntu ... perhaps you could add that to your search terms |
| 06:37.17 | pitillo | hcy, what is your configuration of that device? take a look to /etc/network/interfaces and change the device configuration there. |
| 06:37.18 | Guerin | toshiba laptops used to be awesome |
| 06:37.28 | Presently42 | zl2tod: I will look. Do you happen to recall any thing else concerning the lawsuit? |
| 06:37.39 | Presently42 | Or what Toshiba has to say? |
| 06:37.44 | Guerin | Presently42: can you use powernowd to tune it slower? |
| 06:37.52 | pitillo | hcy, for example "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
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| 06:38.06 | hcy | pitillo: yes, that's what it says |
| 06:38.21 | Presently42 | Guerin: If you mean cpu throttling, yes. But, wouldn't this affect performance? |
| 06:38.26 | tnks | Off topic, but I trust the opinion here. Has anyone tried out the free wiki sites out there (like wikispace, or jotspot)? Is any one of them clearly awesome? (I just don't want to mess with setting up the web service). |
| 06:38.38 | hcy | pitillo: auto lo // iface lo inet loopback // auto eth0 // iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 06:38.41 | jewel | I have an Intel 945 based system that fails to boot with the debian 2.6.17 kernel, I see messages like: "hda: lost interrupt" |
| 06:38.43 | zl2tod | Presently: there are a number, google toshiba "class action" |
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| 06:38.56 | Guerin | Presently42: yeah, but you might only need to step it down a little bit. |
| 06:39.27 | zl2tod | Presently42, is the fan starting ? |
| 06:39.38 | tnks | JotSpot seemed too limited in it's free form, and wikispace seemed to lack features. |
| 06:39.51 | Guerin | jewel: i get that message when my usb drive isn't getting ewnough power from the usb port |
| 06:40.40 | hcy | pitillo: so any idea why the dhclient doesn't start automatically anymore? |
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| 06:41.32 | zl2tod | hcy, dhclient ? dhcp-client ? dhcp3-client ? |
| 06:41.42 | pitillo | hcy, no. I thought in a configuration error, sorry. |
| 06:42.01 | Guerin | zl2tod: he did specify. |
| 06:42.05 | hcy | zl2tod: none of those are in /etc/rc2.d |
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| 06:42.20 | Guerin | hcy: they needn't be |
| 06:42.28 | Guerin | hcy: man interfaces |
| 06:42.32 | hcy | Guerin: ok |
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| 06:42.45 | zl2tod | hcy, do you have an 'auto eth0' line in /etc/network/interfaces too ? |
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| 06:43.11 | hcy | zl2tod: yes |
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| 06:45.09 | jewel | I added acpi=off to the boot commands and now it boots fine |
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| 06:45.44 | hcy | Guerin: so are you saying i should have an 'ifup' link in rc2.d? not dhclient? |
| 06:45.58 | pilgrim | I'm under the impression that if I only install packages from apt and debian mirrors, if I keep up with security updates, I'll be ...well...secure. Is this the case or not? |
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| 06:48.12 | hcy | Guerin: because i don't see to have such a link either |
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| 06:48.52 | Guerin | hcy: no. You should have a 'network' link |
| 06:49.05 | Guerin | hcy: and it should probably be in 0 or S |
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| 06:49.20 | zl2tod | pilgrim, there's a lot more than that to staying secure ... http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 06:50.00 | hcy | Guerin: /etc/rc0.d/S35networking /etc/rc6.d/S35networking /etc/rcS.d/S40networking |
| 06:50.16 | pilgrim | zl2tod, thanks :) |
| 06:50.21 | hcy | Guerin: that what you mean? |
| 06:50.26 | Guerin | hcy: post your /etc/network/interfaces file somewhere |
| 06:50.32 | Guerin | hcy: that is normal |
| 06:50.49 | hcy | Guerin: : auto lo // iface lo inet loopback // auto eth0 // iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 06:51.11 | Guerin | hm |
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| 06:51.25 | Guerin | dhclient binary is present? What messages do you get on boot? |
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| 06:51.47 | hcy | Guerin: yes, when i boot up i'm not connected to the net until i manually run dhclient as root |
| 06:52.02 | Guerin | messages |
| 06:52.21 | hcy | Guerin: i don't see any error messages about it, but i see other errors, like that it can't mount my nfs drives |
| 06:52.29 | Guerin | hcy: dmesg |
| 06:54.13 | hcy | Guerin: my dmesg output: http://sial.org/pbot/19658 |
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| 06:56.39 | hcy | Guerin: anything there? |
| 06:57.11 | Guerin | hcy: seems not. |
| 06:57.14 | Guerin | no idea, sorry. |
| 06:57.39 | hcy | Guerin: what would you suggest i do? just manually add a link to dhclient into rc2.d or rcS.d ? |
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| 06:58.18 | Guerin | hcy: yeah, that might work. use the skeleton file |
| 06:58.38 | hcy | Guerin: what's the skeleton file? |
| 06:59.04 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:59.12 | zl2tod | hcy, there are no such links on my systems |
| 06:59.20 | Guerin | the cat bone's connected to the grep bone |
| 06:59.22 | Guerin | etc. |
| 07:00.05 | zl2tod | hcy, tail syslog in one window and then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 07:00.15 | hcy | zl2tod: ok |
| 07:00.15 | Guerin | good thinking |
| 07:00.40 | Guerin | and isn't thinking very much |
| 07:01.04 | Presently42 | zl2tod: My laptop crashed, due to heat. I looked up the lawsuits: And I found them. Alas that you didn't tell me this a year ago when I bought it! Meanwhile, is there any thing other than cpu throttling and coolness that I can do? |
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| 07:01.48 | hcy | hmm, nothing shows up in syslog, but there are errors in the terminal |
| 07:02.57 | zl2tod | Presently, I dunno, I only discovered it when my neighbour gave me a dead satellite 1800 last week |
| 07:03.27 | hcy | zl2tod, Guerin: http://sial.org/pbot/19661 |
| 07:03.58 | Presently42 | zl2tod: Ah. Well, I thank you kindly for telling me. At least I know that what I suspected to be true is indeed. |
| 07:04.56 | hcy | zl2tod, Guerin: /etc/network/run is a broken link, pointing to a non-existant /dev/shm/network |
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| 07:05.16 | zl2tod | Presently, I think there are two problems, the tosh's run hot, and linux doesn't necessarily have the required procedures to keep them cool by default |
| 07:06.33 | zl2tod | hcy, outa my depth there, though I'd say you were on the right track |
| 07:06.50 | Presently42 | zl2tod: They certainly do run hot. Your second thought interests me, for it implies that I can do some modification and implement these possibly lacking procedures. Perhaps, though, we should start with the how do I found out what they are. |
| 07:06.58 | Presently42 | But, alas! you are off to sleep. |
| 07:07.17 | Presently42 | And I mis read what you just said.... To-day isn't my day. |
| 07:07.38 | zl2tod | Presently, as I said, I think it was a ubuntu context in which I saw some intelligent discussion of the problem |
| 07:08.24 | Presently42 | zl2tod: Ah! So that was refering to the ubuntu thing. I shall look that up now. |
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| 07:09.08 | zl2tod | hcy, I have a /dev/shm/network/ifstate which contains lo=lo<newline>eth0=eth0 |
| 07:09.33 | hcy | there seems to be a newer version of ifupdown, i'll try apt-getting it, maybe that'll help |
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| 07:11.08 | zl2tod | hcy, probably best to update and upgrade the whole system rather than just a package here and there |
| 07:12.49 | zl2tod | ooops |
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| 07:20.03 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:20.03 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:20.32 | TolstoyInLove | how can i brows aspx page in debian |
| 07:20.55 | TolstoyInLove | i test firefox mozilla & konqurer |
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| 07:22.01 | cydork | tarzeau: gnu/kfreebsd is runnin on vmware :) |
| 07:22.09 | cydork | tarzeau: no problems till now |
| 07:22.15 | tarzeau | cydork: great :) |
| 07:22.33 | tarzeau | cydork: fast and low memory footprint? |
| 07:22.52 | cydork | tarzeau: yep :) |
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| 07:24.09 | cydork | tarzeau: i will test it for somedays in vmware i guess.. |
| 07:24.37 | tarzeau | cydork: ok :) |
| 07:25.15 | cydork | tarzeau: hey tell me one why does standard installation ends up in broken system. the wiki says so. |
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| 07:27.50 | pstickne | TolstoyInLove, ...? |
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| 07:29.08 | TolstoyInLove | pstickne: need browser too show aspx correct |
| 07:29.57 | TolstoyInLove | pstickne: or ie for linux |
| 07:29.57 | pstickne | TolstoyInLove, what is wrong with Firefox? |
| 07:30.08 | TolstoyInLove | pstickne: not show the aspx page |
| 07:30.21 | pstickne | "not show" = ? |
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| 07:30.38 | TolstoyInLove | pstickne: i know problem is : mistake of designer |
| 07:30.45 | TolstoyInLove | but ineed it |
| 07:30.50 | pstickne | maybe: http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/ |
| 07:31.13 | pstickne | I've heard (not sure if it's true) that it is mostly "IE compatible" |
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| 07:31.47 | anapivirtua | Pom Pom Pom² |
| 07:31.50 | TolstoyInLove | pstickne: yhanks |
| 07:32.02 | pstickne | TolstoyInLove, or if the designer was just a clout that he absolutely brain-damaged the pager, you could always use vmware+win+ie, maybe wine+ie, or don't use such horrid pages :p |
| 07:32.05 | TolstoyInLove | pstickne: i test it ;) |
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| 07:32.58 | TolstoyInLove | pstickne: this interface of accountin an i must use it |
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| 07:33.13 | TolstoyInLove | pstickne: thanks for tour guid |
| 07:33.40 | TolstoyInLove | pstickne: bye |
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| 07:33.53 | tarzeau | cydork: something with the installer... they onlypatched the part that's working |
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| 07:35.08 | cydork | tarzeau: oh ok, i was just wondering |
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| 07:39.21 | Presently42 | zl2tod: Well, I haven't founf the ubuntu thread you are talking about, I think. But, it is clear that my overheating problem is a major defect of this particular model, though many others are affected. The fan is currently on (and it's all of 18 C in this room) at a medium speed, so I know that it does turn on. I read on a SuSE form that I can add some thing to /proc/acpi/FAN/fan1/state to turn it on permanently (or some such th |
| 07:39.21 | Presently42 | n state at all. |
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| 07:41.09 | zl2tod | Presently42, good luck with that |
| 07:41.10 | pstickne | Presently42, what model? |
| 07:41.35 | Presently42 | pstickne: Toshiba satellite a70. |
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| 07:41.51 | Presently42 | zl2tod: Thanks :0) |
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| 07:43.55 | Presently42 | Though I think the problem with acpi is my worthless, piece of junk bios. |
| 07:44.28 | Guerin | ironic |
| 07:44.39 | Guerin | since toshiba helped design the ACPI spec |
| 07:44.49 | Presently42 | You're joking! |
| 07:44.55 | Guerin | nope |
| 07:44.56 | zl2tod | Presently42, the heatsnk on the machine here would get too hot to touch then the fan would kick in and cool it down quickly and the cycle would repeat - my theory is that the thermal cycling did it no good. I could see abrasion on the top of the CPU silicon (flip chip styles). Also the fan/heatsink assembly was not bonded to zero volts anywhere so static electricity is also a potential hazard |
| 07:44.59 | Guerin | deadly serious |
| 07:45.00 | Presently42 | Hahah! |
| 07:45.55 | zl2tod | anyone would think toshiba was bought by HP in about 2000 |
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| 07:46.59 | Presently42 | zl2tod: I read about that static electricity problem. I must say, I've never had that problem. Yet. And, the fan does go on. It just doesn't vent very well, as the hot air is, well, always really hot. The fan is usually on, in fact. |
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| 07:47.36 | zl2tod | Presently, the heatsick\nk needs to have the dust cleaned out of it regularly |
| 07:47.36 | Presently42 | So, unlike you problem, my fan is on, but the computer is never cooled down. |
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| 07:47.55 | s-toned | Is it standard Debian behaviour that the files in /usr/share/autostart are executed, or is it just a KDE thing? |
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| 07:48.43 | Presently42 | zl2tod: I read about that too. The site said to blow compressed air in to the machine. But, I do not know where. I suppose in the back, where the heat sink is. That would make the most sense. |
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| 07:49.10 | zl2tod | Presently42, disassembly instructions http://www.irisvista.com/tech/index.htm |
| 07:49.14 | Presently42 | Of course, it would help is I had compressed air.... Would a vacuum cleaner do? Suck out the dust in stead of blow it about? |
| 07:49.41 | Presently42 | O, I found those. My waranty is still good, though, so I'm not too wont to open it up. |
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| 07:50.04 | Presently42 | Unless, zl2tod, you think it is really worth-while. |
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| 07:50.24 | zl2tod | dunno - is it clagged up ? |
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| 07:52.18 | Presently42 | I see some dust on the outside, but I can't say for sure if it is clogged or not. I wouldn't be surprised if it is, as this room tends to get rather dusty. |
| 07:52.42 | zl2tod | most gas stations with mechanics will have compressed air and a "duster" attachment |
| 07:54.04 | Presently42 | Good point. Seems rather odd taking a lappy to a gaz station.... The air is clean enough / not going to damage it? |
| 07:55.11 | zl2tod | maybe you could get them to clean it out under the warranty |
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| 07:56.00 | zl2tod | you have to watch out for water in compressed air, esepcially at pressures above about 40psi |
| 07:56.19 | Presently42 | Perhaps. I think I shall give them a call very soon. It has gotten to the point where even running a java applet in a warm room causes it to turn off. |
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| 07:56.43 | Presently42 | Water? I will enquire when I try the compressed air. Thanks for the tip. |
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| 07:56.58 | zl2tod | I found those hollywood lawyers very approachable |
| 07:57.17 | zl2tod | blow it onto a surface and look for condensation |
| 07:57.38 | Presently42 | Then you joined the suit? Good for you. I'm in Canada, so I doubt that I could. |
| 07:57.38 | zl2tod | most air lines have water traps on them |
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| 07:58.06 | zl2tod | I'm in NZ so no dice, but still an interesting conversation going on with them |
| 07:58.41 | Presently42 | Really. Perhaps this is soem thing I should look in to? |
| 07:59.05 | Presently42 | Does it cost any thing, or is it just an e-mail / series of e-mails? |
| 08:00.10 | fourat | when doing date in the server's shell console, i says it's 09:12, with php, date() will return 10:12, how to fix that ? |
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| 08:01.00 | zl2tod | I'm not sure the hollywood dudes are dealing with your model] |
| 08:01.25 | Presently42 | Hmm. Possibly not. Do you have a web-page I could look at? |
| 08:02.14 | zl2tod | http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=toshiba+%22class+action%22 |
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| 08:02.30 | zl2tod | whack your model number on the end |
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| 08:04.19 | Presently42 | Pretty much the same search results I got. I see no "Hollywood Dudes", unless it's Green Willling LLP. In that case, their suit is about the static electricity, with which I have not yet had problems. |
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| 08:05.10 | Guerin | zl2tod: omgnz |
| 08:06.11 | zl2tod | http://www.kbla.com |
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| 08:07.48 | Presently42 | zl2tod: They have three model suits, none of which are my own. Thanks for the link, though. |
| 08:08.02 | zl2tod | there was interesting stuff about tosh settling one class-action. their rationale was that if they didn't and they lost the company would become insolvent |
| 08:08.14 | zl2tod | cost them a billion+ |
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| 08:08.30 | Presently42 | Really. |
| 08:08.52 | xorl | damn this is anoying |
| 08:09.01 | Presently42 | I agree. |
| 08:09.09 | Guerin | zl2tod: where are you at? |
| 08:09.10 | xorl | everytime i use xmms/bmp to connect to a radio station |
| 08:09.14 | xorl | shoutcast |
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| 08:09.26 | xorl | my sound audio loops |
| 08:10.28 | Guerin | pacific |
| 08:10.34 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 08:10.38 | Guerin | wrong window |
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| 08:11.20 | zl2tod | dread wwi |
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| 08:11.30 | zl2tod | Presently42, http://www.toshibaa70classaction.com/ |
| 08:11.33 | xorl | wth! |
| 08:11.49 | xorl | I cant seem to get this to work with either xmms or bmp. |
| 08:11.50 | Guerin | i blame focus-follows-mouse |
| 08:12.27 | Presently42 | zl2tod: That page has been trying to load for upwards of 12 minutes. |
| 08:12.31 | zl2tod | Presently42, that site seems sorta dead though |
| 08:12.35 | Presently42 | Yep. |
| 08:12.50 | Presently42 | As is toshibaclassaction.com. |
| 08:13.36 | xorl | I cant even find this on google |
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| 08:15.27 | zl2tod | the static stuff is good sport ... one computer I used to run used to lock up whenever a specific person walked down the corridor outside the room |
| 08:15.46 | Presently42 | Lol! |
| 08:16.04 | zl2tod | synthetic lab coats and fast walking I reckon |
| 08:16.06 | Presently42 | I would be REALLY mad if I had that problem. |
| 08:16.24 | Presently42 | NO! I have a synthetic lab coat! AND I walk quickly! |
| 08:16.36 | zl2tod | Aha ! |
| 08:16.59 | Presently42 | Well, I'll just have to make sure not to combine the three! |
| 08:17.15 | xorl | why does it keep looping :| |
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| 08:18.53 | xorl | hey |
| 08:19.03 | xorl | any of you have any suggestions for looping audio? |
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| 08:19.13 | xorl | whenever I play any song it's like the app locks up, but it doesnt. |
| 08:19.29 | zl2tod | sopunds give me untold grief too xorl ... at the moment I am having trouble making the flash crap use the right sound card |
| 08:19.39 | xorl | haha |
| 08:19.43 | Presently42 | xorl: How do you play the song? Which application? |
| 08:19.43 | xorl | i cant even play a song |
| 08:19.57 | xorl | Presently42: XMMS/BMP/Banshee/Amarok |
| 08:19.59 | xorl | do the same thing. |
| 08:20.05 | xorl | loop the audio |
| 08:20.26 | Presently42 | I'm familiar with Amarok. So, what engine? Xine or Helix? |
| 08:20.31 | xorl | xine |
| 08:20.34 | zl2tod | tried opening your source from inside xmms rather than passing it as a parameter ? |
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| 08:20.52 | Presently42 | Can you hear any thing at all? |
| 08:20.57 | xorl | Presently42: yes |
| 08:20.59 | xorl | It loops |
| 08:21.09 | Presently42 | What does the debug of Amarok say? |
| 08:21.16 | xorl | no errors |
| 08:21.18 | xorl | it just loops |
| 08:21.52 | xorl | doesnt lock up |
| 08:22.02 | Presently42 | Does it specifically queue the same song again, or does it simply magically apear and play? |
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| 08:22.12 | xorl | oh no i queue it up |
| 08:22.16 | xorl | double click it to play |
| 08:22.22 | xorl | and it just does (for example) |
| 08:22.26 | xorl | *thud thud thud thud thud* |
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| 08:22.32 | xorl | repeats the same part of the song from playback |
| 08:22.39 | xorl | over and over and over |
| 08:22.41 | xorl | if i click pause |
| 08:22.46 | xorl | and then pause again |
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| 08:22.49 | xorl | to unpause it |
| 08:22.59 | infernixx | xorl: try aplay [some wav file] |
| 08:23.06 | xorl | no wav's |
| 08:23.06 | Presently42 | Does it only repeat just a snippet? |
| 08:23.12 | infernixx | xorl, download one. |
| 08:23.13 | xorl | Presently42: exactly. |
| 08:23.15 | xorl | over and over and over |
| 08:23.31 | Presently42 | In very rapid succession? |
| 08:23.51 | Presently42 | With a VERY small snippet? |
| 08:23.59 | xorl | Presently42: rapid |
| 08:24.22 | infernixx | really, use aplay to exclude software issues. |
| 08:24.22 | xorl | ahhh |
| 08:24.25 | xorl | must be a driver. |
| 08:24.35 | xorl | loops the .wav too |
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| 08:24.47 | infernixx | there you go. do you have an .asoundrc? |
| 08:24.56 | xorl | No I do not. |
| 08:25.01 | infernixx | what soundcard? |
| 08:25.15 | xorl | ATI HDA |
| 08:25.21 | xorl | basically snd_hda_intel |
| 08:25.26 | xorl | didnt do this before which is odd |
| 08:26.04 | insmod | infernixx: .asoundrc is only needed with some programs |
| 08:26.08 | infernixx | stays after reboot i guess? are you sure you didnt change anything that might have caused it to stop? |
| 08:26.16 | xorl | yeah |
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| 08:26.27 | xorl | oh, i just re-installed debian etch. |
| 08:26.31 | xorl | but. |
| 08:26.35 | xorl | kernel version and |
| 08:26.35 | infernixx | insmod, all cards without hardware mixing should usually use an asoundrc with dmix. |
| 08:26.41 | xorl | alsa version are the same as my previous installed. |
| 08:26.54 | infernixx | xorl: ah, so a system reinstall doesn't count as a change in your book. i see. |
| 08:27.18 | infernixx | !alsa-checklist |
| 08:27.19 | insmod | infernixx: never found that true -- only programs need it like i think jack and ardour etc |
| 08:27.19 | dpkg | somebody said alsa-checklist was 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 08:27.30 | xorl | oh no, system format, and install. (I had debian sarge, and openbsd) |
| 08:27.39 | xorl | and unfortunately openbsd nuked everything. |
| 08:27.44 | infernixx | insmod, not really. perhaps you've never had software mixing soundcards. |
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| 08:28.10 | insmod | infernixx: oh ya lots like a crappy ess |
| 08:28.14 | insmod | etc |
| 08:28.30 | infernixx | insmod, then you should know that without dmix and without a sound server (which is evil), you can only play one stream. |
| 08:28.44 | xorl | :| |
| 08:29.06 | infernixx | xorl, running a recent kernel? |
| 08:29.20 | xorl | 2.6.16-2 |
| 08:29.48 | insmod | infernixx: without dmix untrue --any mixer will do -- a sound server (which is evil), you can only play one stream --- very correct -- mfind esd the best |
| 08:30.00 | insmod | i find |
| 08:30.26 | infernixx | insmod, i think you misunderstood, but never mind. |
| 08:30.45 | insmod | infernixx: :) |
| 08:31.25 | infernixx | xorl, i'm puzzled. is this ATI HDA a fairly recent chip? |
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| 08:31.43 | xorl | yeah |
| 08:31.45 | xorl | it's just |
| 08:31.47 | xorl | Intel HDA |
| 08:31.53 | xorl | ATI licensed chipset |
| 08:31.55 | xorl | for a laptop |
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| 08:33.28 | xorl | brb |
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| 08:37.24 | infernixx | xorl: well. I'd try the latest kernel, then i'd try alsa cvs, and then i'd look at some possible hardware issue. but the fact that it worked on sarge makes no sense, really. |
| 08:38.16 | wdamn | Hi: a good howto to install debian sarge on a ppc? |
| 08:38.43 | veebers | Hi, i am thinking about changing 'stable' to 'testing' in my sources.list. google told thats fine and can be done, but is there anything that could cause issues? |
| 08:39.46 | infernixx | veebers, well, you're transitioning to a pre-release system if you do that. |
| 08:39.47 | infernixx | !etch |
| 08:39.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 08:40.19 | infernixx | read that, and if you're sure, go ahead. I strongly recommend you do NOT do that for any mission critical servers though. |
| 08:40.27 | Presently42 | Speaking of alsa, I don't think I really have it. When I look in the kinfocentre module Sound, it says Audio devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG. Yet I have audio. So, do I have fake alsa? |
| 08:41.02 | Presently42 | O. It says I have ALSA emulaton. How do I get the real thing? |
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| 08:41.10 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:41.10 | dpkg | <MobyTurbo> nvz: brothels .. <nvz> I never even heard that word until last night |
| 08:41.11 | veebers | nah, just my minor desktop. will read that now, thanks infernix |
| 08:41.12 | infernixx | Presently42, there's no fake alsa, but I don't use KDE so I wouldnt know what that means. |
| 08:41.27 | infernixx | Presently42, im pretty sure alsa emulation is as real as you can get it ;) |
| 08:41.31 | Presently42 | infernixx: Fair enough. |
| 08:41.50 | usn_work | hi folx |
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| 08:42.10 | Presently42 | But doesn't emulation imply that it is pretending to be alsa (emulation, after all, is just that). Or, is the word different in computer jargon? |
| 08:43.04 | Guerin | it does imply that |
| 08:43.19 | infernixx | Presently42, alsa can't be "emulated". OSS can though. but it's in the context of the author of kinfocentre to call it what he wants, i guess. |
| 08:43.20 | Guerin | but in fact, the oss emulation is just a convertor of sorts |
| 08:43.34 | Guerin | think of it as a headphone > rca converter |
| 08:43.40 | Guerin | it's entirely transparent |
| 08:43.55 | Presently42 | So I actually have OSS? |
| 08:44.18 | infernixx | not if it says alsa. |
| 08:44.21 | xorl | hmm reboot did absolutely nothing. |
| 08:44.28 | Guerin | if you have alsa set up, plus alsa's oss emulation, you have alsa, with an interface which understands OSS |
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| 08:44.45 | Guerin | essentially, it lets you pretend you're still running oss |
| 08:44.52 | Guerin | with no down side |
| 08:45.05 | xorl | of course I have to have a hardware issue :( |
| 08:45.26 | Presently42 | Fair enough. I guess I just don't have the audio devices enabled in config, waht ever that means. Things still work; and that's what counts! |
| 08:46.15 | infernixx | !golden rule |
| 08:46.15 | dpkg | well, golden rule is if it isn't broken, don't try to fix it. |
| 08:46.24 | xorl | so true. |
| 08:46.29 | Guerin | damn straight |
| 08:46.35 | Guerin | i have broken that rule too many times |
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| 08:46.47 | Presently42 | I love breaking that rule :-) |
| 08:46.47 | xorl | my server never breaks that rule |
| 08:46.50 | xorl | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.53 | Guerin | always when I have a deadline to meet, too |
| 08:46.54 | SpComb | what if it will break in the future? |
| 08:46.58 | xorl | see, right there is an example of not breaking the rules |
| 08:46.58 | xorl | :P |
| 08:47.15 | MikeSeth | does anyone per chance know what script is supposed to start the new authdaemond in courier? the one with courier-libauth? |
| 08:47.15 | Guerin | SpComb: how do you know? |
| 08:47.34 | Guerin | aargh. not teh authdaemon |
| 08:47.38 | SpComb | well, if you know that in a month you have to do something, and that the current situation doesn't let you do that something, you have to fix it... |
| 08:47.38 | Guerin | my brain, it hurts |
| 08:47.56 | Presently42 | Guerin: It'll have to come out. |
| 08:47.59 | infernixx | SpComb, not really. it's not a problem in the 'now'. |
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| 08:48.11 | xorl | hey infernixx you think another module could be interfering to cause this issue |
| 08:48.30 | Guerin | Presently42: can you give me something to tide me over until I finish my master of international relations? |
| 08:48.39 | infernixx | xorl, maybe. lsmod | grep snd. might be an interrupt issue but thats evne more unlikely with laptops. i'd try alsa cvs |
| 08:48.48 | Presently42 | Guerin: Read some Pynchon. |
| 08:48.57 | Guerin | SpComb: that's not a fix, it's an upgrade. |
| 08:49.06 | Guerin | ETOOMUCHREADINGALREADY |
| 08:49.24 | Presently42 | Ah, but Pynchon is different. |
| 08:49.24 | Guerin | Presently42: let me introduce you to proquest, hansard and lexis/nexis |
| 08:49.43 | giulivo | ehm on debian ppc (etch) |
| 08:49.58 | giulivo | after the last upgrades (tomorrow) |
| 08:50.04 | giulivo | which includes firefox |
| 08:50.35 | giulivo | firefox does not start anymore |
| 08:50.46 | giulivo | there is a known cause? |
| 08:50.49 | Guerin | you have uypgrades from tomorrow? |
| 08:50.52 | Guerin | AWESOME |
| 08:50.58 | giulivo | uhm :-D |
| 08:50.59 | infernixx | what server? |
| 08:51.03 | giulivo | today... sorry :-D |
| 08:51.04 | infernixx | i want them too |
| 08:51.07 | giulivo | ahahah :-D |
| 08:51.35 | Presently42 | Guerin: Well, maybe a break from reading then. How about some Monty Python? |
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| 08:51.40 | infernixx | giulivo, if you start firefox from an xterm, what's the error? Segmentation fault? |
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| 08:52.14 | Guerin | Presently42: excellent. Unfortunately I'm halfway through the Miraculous 72-hour Research Essay |
| 08:52.23 | Guerin | due friday |
| 08:52.35 | Guerin | started tuesday night |
| 08:52.40 | Presently42 | Woops! |
| 08:52.43 | zl2tod | xorl, lsof | grep /dev/dsp |
| 08:53.00 | xorl | zl2tod: nothing comes back |
| 08:53.20 | xorl | oddly enough |
| 08:53.24 | zl2tod | i get esd showing a connection |
| 08:53.45 | cydork | zl2tod: try fuser /dev/dsp |
| 08:54.30 | xorl | doesnt work for me |
| 08:54.37 | zl2tod | thanks very much for that cydork, that was something I'd wanted to know for a long time |
| 08:54.44 | Presently42 | Why don't I have a /dev/dsp? |
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| 08:54.57 | infernixx | Presently42, prolly cause you didnt load OSS emulation modules. |
| 08:55.27 | Presently42 | Alrighty, then. |
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| 08:56.08 | xorl | this is positively anoying. |
| 08:56.12 | karsten | Guerin: Here's your essay: http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo |
| 08:56.44 | cydork | zl2tod: hehe mixup of nicks i guess :) |
| 08:56.45 | Guerin | karsten: heh. |
| 08:57.40 | Guerin | that's awesome |
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| 08:57.51 | Presently42 | Well, I must finish some physics questions. Cheers. |
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| 08:57.59 | ttl_work | hi |
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| 09:00.30 | xorl | haha. |
| 09:00.36 | xorl | Funny. |
| 09:00.37 | xorl | brb |
| 09:01.12 | MikeSeth | god damnit |
| 09:01.27 | cydork | !beer MikeSeth |
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| 09:01.56 | MikeSeth | dpkg, good bot |
| 09:01.57 | dpkg | :), MikeSeth |
| 09:02.37 | cydork | :) |
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| 09:03.01 | ttl_work | after being able to rescue my system with aptitude yesterday, thanks to the great of karsten and infernix i still have a small problem... my sound is not working anymore and apps reporting '/dev/dsp no such device' |
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| 09:03.50 | MikeSeth | ttl_work: driver not loaded? devfs/whatever unconfigured? |
| 09:04.27 | ttl_work | I'm using etch |
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| 09:04.53 | ttl_work | MikeSeth: ls tells me the dsp files in /dev are there |
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| 09:05.10 | xorl | ahhh |
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| 09:05.13 | xorl | she's fixed |
| 09:05.13 | xorl | :D |
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| 09:06.14 | zl2tod | what did you find xorl ? it might help ttl_work ... |
| 09:06.27 | xorl | well it's the 2.6.16-2 |
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| 09:06.36 | xorl | kernel |
| 09:06.44 | xorl | there is 2.6.17 avail. |
| 09:06.49 | xorl | I upgraded to it and voula it worked |
| 09:07.05 | xorl | :) |
| 09:07.21 | MikeSeth | ttl_work: is the driver loaded? |
| 09:07.30 | ttl_work | i'm using 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 09:08.05 | cydork | ttl_work: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
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| 09:08.15 | ttl_work | MikeSeth: dunno, i'll check |
| 09:09.04 | liable | ttl_work: you should at least upgrade your 2.4, -1 was the one sarge released with |
| 09:09.16 | liable | there have been security updates since |
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| 09:09.47 | ttl_work | MikeSeth: i only see soundcore |
| 09:09.57 | ttl_work | MikeSeth: dunno what e100 is |
| 09:09.59 | g333k | is there a IDE for lisp? |
| 09:10.18 | waiting | write one |
| 09:10.18 | liable | e100 is a network driver.. |
| 09:10.21 | waiting | in LISP ;) |
| 09:10.33 | ttl_work | this is the output of lspci: 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 02) |
| 09:10.38 | liable | whath |
| 09:10.44 | liable | :) |
| 09:11.14 | liable | ttl_work: if you want alsa, get a 2.6 kernel or the alsa modules package for that kernel |
| 09:11.29 | liable | otherwise, the module is i810 |
| 09:12.55 | waiting | g333k: well |
| 09:13.01 | waiting | g333k: emacs is kindof that |
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| 09:13.19 | liable | ohnos, dont mention emacs! |
| 09:13.26 | waiting | why not? |
| 09:13.52 | waiting | I use VI |
| 09:13.55 | waiting | often |
| 09:14.33 | waiting | maybe he means something else |
| 09:14.37 | cydork | i use emacs . |
| 09:14.41 | waiting | more like the Borland IDE for Turbo PASCAL |
| 09:14.47 | ttl_work | strange thing is... i get 'bash: /dev/dsp: No such device' when i cat something to /dev/dsp |
| 09:14.50 | giulivo | infernixx: starting firefox from the terminal neither is written |
| 09:15.08 | giulivo | it starts but open only a clear white window without buttons |
| 09:15.12 | ttl_work | but ls tells me /dev/dsp is there |
| 09:15.17 | waiting | cydork: I haven't checked in a while - does it come with a decent text editor nowadays? :) |
| 09:15.19 | Guerin | waiting: bash: VI: command not found |
| 09:15.44 | andreiutz | i want to do a net install on my laptop and i am at the partitionung step . since i want a dual boot machine i have 1 primary and 1 logical ntfs partition for win , and now i want to partition the rest of the hdd for debian . but i only can create 2 primary partitions the rest of the space i want for swap or any other partition is shown unusable . what can i do |
| 09:15.46 | andreiutz | ? |
| 09:16.09 | waiting | not too much |
| 09:16.16 | Guerin | andreiutz: you can have a maximum of four primary partitions. Typically the fourth is split into several logical partitions |
| 09:16.17 | waiting | try making one extended partition as 2nd |
| 09:16.33 | waiting | yeah 3rd |
| 09:16.36 | andreiutz | Guerin, thanks |
| 09:16.37 | Guerin | if you have four, you can't have any logical |
| 09:16.38 | waiting | sounds wierd anyway |
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| 09:16.51 | cydork | waiting: :) |
| 09:16.55 | andreiutz | Guerin, is htere any problem if i have logal partitions for debian |
| 09:16.55 | andreiutz | ? |
| 09:17.08 | waiting | cydork: ^- |
| 09:17.42 | Guerin | andreiutz: nope. |
| 09:17.52 | andreiutz | Guerin, thnak you |
| 09:18.04 | Guerin | andreiutz: yuor wlecome |
| 09:18.26 | Guerin | cydork: you should engage the UN in Editor Peacekeeping |
| 09:18.58 | cydork | Guerin: hehe |
| 09:19.38 | ttl_work | modprobe i810 without errors but still no sound |
| 09:19.41 | liable | meh, we would miss half the noise in here if it werent for editor wars |
| 09:19.42 | waiting | our national teleivision wants a fee from all internet users |
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| 09:20.06 | ttl_work | i will install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 09:20.26 | liable | ttl_work: still no /dev/dsp? |
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| 09:21.05 | ttl_work | liable: ls says yes but apps say no |
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| 09:21.23 | liable | ttl_work: can you cat to /dev/dsp? |
| 09:21.35 | ttl_work | liable: no |
| 09:21.47 | liable | with what error? |
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| 09:23.29 | waiting | this is pure genious |
| 09:23.43 | waiting | they have made their tv channels available via internet streaming |
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| 09:24.08 | waiting | so now they can say: every internet computer is a playback device covered by the national broadcasting fee |
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| 09:25.43 | ttl_work | liable: bash: /dev/dsp: No such device |
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| 09:26.14 | waiting | fortunately, the streams do not work with linux, so I only have to uninstall MS Windows to save the fee :) |
| 09:26.36 | ttl_work | in the past it always worked fine |
| 09:26.52 | Guerin | anyone able to get www.tkb.org? |
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| 09:27.55 | HNT | does anybody know how to start Kaffeine at a specific chapter (of a dvd) eg : the command : kaffeine -p -d /dev/hda start reading the dvd in my reader, how can i automaticaly select a chapter ? |
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| 09:28.49 | Guerin | HNT: probably by not using kaffeine |
| 09:28.55 | k31th | How do i update my name server cache ? |
| 09:29.37 | HNT | Guerin : do you have a suggestion, a good alternative ? |
| 09:29.53 | Guerin | HNT: mplayer, vlc or xine |
| 09:30.01 | Guerin | HNT: kaffeine uses xine anyway |
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| 09:31.08 | HNT | ok thank you |
| 09:31.14 | petemc | k31th: update it how? if you make a request thats not in the cache, it should resolve it, thus putting it in the cache |
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| 09:32.53 | liable | ttl_work: does it exist? |
| 09:33.49 | ttl_work | liable: with ls, yes |
| 09:34.12 | ttl_work | ls /dev/dsp shows it is there |
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| 09:34.49 | liable | ttl_work: what command are you running for cat? |
| 09:35.33 | ttl_work | cat somefile > /dev/dsp |
| 09:36.31 | ttl_work | i tried with an mp3 but that realy makes no difference |
| 09:36.44 | cahoot | ttl_work: any output from: file /dev/dsp? |
| 09:36.50 | ttl_work | i should not get the error and hear some noise i think |
| 09:36.52 | liable | an mp3 will still just make horrific noise |
| 09:37.08 | Xteven | ttl_work : did you load the sound driver ? |
| 09:37.34 | Xteven | perhaps ac97 codec ? |
| 09:37.48 | ttl_work | cahoot: /dev/dsp: symbolic link to `dsp0' |
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| 09:38.04 | ttl_work | Xteven: yes i810 |
| 09:39.38 | jfletcher | what's a good gnome base CD burner with GUI? |
| 09:39.42 | cahoot | ttl_work: you've made sure you don't have a mixture of alsa and oss loaded? |
| 09:40.21 | liable | 2.4 kernel |
| 09:40.39 | ttl_work | cahoot: i don't know |
| 09:40.54 | ttl_work | i always used oss |
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| 09:41.13 | cydork | jfletcher: gnomebaker |
| 09:41.17 | ttl_work | but alsa seems to be installed too |
| 09:41.18 | liable | ttl_work: do you have any modules that start with snd_ ? |
| 09:41.30 | ttl_work | liable: sec... |
| 09:41.34 | liable | jfletcher: or xcdroast |
| 09:41.55 | Xteven | ttl_work : try fuser /dev/dsp or fuser /dev/dsp0 |
| 09:42.01 | Xteven | see if another program is using it |
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| 09:42.19 | ttl_work | liable: no snd_xxx modules |
| 09:42.24 | liable | k |
| 09:42.36 | ttl_work | Xteven: ok |
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| 09:42.57 | speedy | i'm using ldap to store quota for users, which maildrop version will be working for my setup? |
| 09:43.07 | speedy | there is maildrop 1.6.3 and courier-maildrop 0.47 |
| 09:44.01 | Doat | interfaces marked as "auto" don't start automatically at startup and i have to do '# ifup -a' every time i boot the computer. what's wrong? |
| 09:44.14 | jfletcher | cydork: liable: thanks guys :) |
| 09:44.40 | ttl_work | Xteven: Cannot stat or: No such file or directory |
| 09:44.40 | ttl_work | Cannot stat or: No such file or directory |
| 09:44.40 | ttl_work | Cannot stat fuser: No such file or directory |
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| 09:44.48 | liable | ttl_work: unless you need/want 2.4, save us all the trouble and install a 2.6 or at least the 2.4 modules |
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| 09:45.02 | ttl_work | oops sorry |
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| 09:45.05 | liable | ttl_work: unless you need/want 2.4, save us all the trouble and install a 2.6 or at least the 2.4 modules |
| 09:46.02 | ttl_work | liable: i installed 2.6 i gonna reboot, brb |
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| 09:46.20 | liable | ttl_work: install alsa-utils too |
| 09:46.39 | fff_work | hey , is there any easy way to install ati drivers in etch? |
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| 09:47.27 | chantra | hi there, I'm having troubles forwarding port under debian sarge |
| 09:47.41 | chantra | got this error: channel 3: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused |
| 09:47.44 | chantra | any idea? |
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| 09:51.35 | liable | !connection refused |
| 09:51.35 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 09:52.57 | jhiver | hi all |
| 09:53.17 | rabbitear | hey jhiver |
| 09:53.25 | jhiver | i have added this to my apt sources.list |
| 09:53.27 | jhiver | deb http://pkg-voip.buildserver.net/debian sarge main |
| 09:53.41 | jhiver | then i try to do: |
| 09:53.42 | rabbitear | I'm not a debian user |
| 09:53.46 | rabbitear | sorry |
| 09:53.49 | jhiver | apt-get install asterisk-h323 |
| 09:53.59 | jhiver | and it says: |
| 09:54.01 | rabbitear | jhiver: ya that should work |
| 09:54.15 | jhiver | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.18 | rabbitear | did you update the list? |
| 09:54.18 | jhiver | any ideas? |
| 09:54.22 | jhiver | yeah |
| 09:54.32 | jhiver | did an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade first |
| 09:54.55 | nvz | o.O |
| 09:55.15 | rabbitear | actually, I'd just compile it, and be done with it |
| 09:55.17 | nvz | you defintaly dont want to apt-get upgrade all the time when you add a source especially if its unofficial |
| 09:55.26 | jhiver | try to compile chan_h323 |
| 09:55.38 | rabbitear | I have... |
| 09:55.43 | rabbitear | it can be compiled |
| 09:55.52 | jhiver | and come back when you're done in about 10000 years - this stuff is a beast to compile |
| 09:56.10 | rabbitear | I know.. |
| 09:56.33 | jhiver | ooh323c i can compile |
| 09:56.35 | rabbitear | jhiver: besides the errors how fast is your computer? |
| 09:56.54 | jhiver | it's a via c7 2.0 ghz proc, 1 Gb RAM, not very fast |
| 09:57.04 | rabbitear | I did it for gnome meeting |
| 09:57.13 | rabbitear | not astricks |
| 09:57.26 | rabbitear | fast enough... |
| 09:57.39 | jhiver | gnomemeeting uses openh323 |
| 09:57.46 | jhiver | not chan_h323 for asterisk |
| 09:57.49 | rabbitear | didn't know via was making 2.0 ghz procs tho |
| 09:57.53 | jhiver | opnh323 is simple to compile |
| 09:58.08 | rabbitear | openh323 is hard to compile right... |
| 09:58.18 | jhiver | no it's easy |
| 09:58.22 | rabbitear | well its getting better |
| 09:58.40 | ma3x | is it possible to remote (desktop) connect to a windows machine and how? |
| 09:58.40 | jhiver | you need to: |
| 09:58.44 | jhiver | apt-cache search 2.4.27-2-386 | grep headers |
| 09:58.44 | jhiver | apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 gcc gpp g++ links elinks sox flex bison autoconf |
| 09:58.49 | jhiver | ldconfig |
| 09:59.04 | jhiver | then get pwlib and openh323 |
| 09:59.12 | jhiver | stick them in /usr/src |
| 09:59.17 | jhiver | tar zxvf them |
| 09:59.22 | cydork | ma3x: man rdesktop |
| 09:59.31 | jhiver | rename the dirs to 'openh323' and 'pwlib' |
| 09:59.41 | jhiver | then in pwlib make && make opt && make all && make install && ldconfig |
| 09:59.49 | jhiver | then same in openh323 dir |
| 09:59.55 | ma3x | cydork, and what should the person with the windows machine have installed on his computer? rdesktop for windows? |
| 09:59.58 | rabbitear | jhiver: I don't wanna like talk about about debian or .debs ... but I always stop using the distro because of non standard stuff, that I end up --forcing the box and it becomes a mess |
| 09:59.59 | jhiver | then go to cd /usr/local/lib/ |
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| 10:00.08 | jhiver | mv libopenh323.\@SHAREDLIBEXT\@ libopenh323.so |
| 10:00.13 | jhiver | and done |
| 10:00.24 | nvz | ma3x: realvnc.com vnc viewer |
| 10:00.38 | nvz | ma3x: er server or whatever |
| 10:00.50 | jhiver | yeah i guess, but then chan_h323 for asterisk is nearly impossible to compile, believe me it's a tremendous task, i've spent weeks on this |
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| 10:01.09 | cydork | ma3x: what do you want to do exactly? you can use rdesktop to connect to windows machines. |
| 10:01.22 | rabbitear | jhiver: .......... you can't use openh323? |
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| 10:01.29 | jhiver | chan_h323 does |
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| 10:01.34 | rabbitear | jhiver: ...... what are the errors anyway? |
| 10:01.36 | ma3x | cydork, and should the person with the windows machine have some kind of server installed? |
| 10:01.52 | jhiver | hah! don't want to go there again... i'd much rather install the deb |
| 10:02.07 | rabbitear | well you can --force it.. |
| 10:02.08 | jhiver | is there a way to "force" a package to be installed despite of dependencies issues? |
| 10:02.09 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:02.09 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:02.10 | fasta | Is there a program which shows what programs are sending stuff over the network? |
| 10:02.18 | cydork | !tell ma3x about rdesktop |
| 10:02.21 | tarzeau | fasta: lsof? ngrep? tcpdump? |
| 10:02.27 | rabbitear | apt-get help force |
| 10:02.28 | tarzeau | fasta: iptraf? |
| 10:02.38 | rabbitear | or force help will show you how |
| 10:02.38 | tarzeau | heck even netstat |
| 10:02.40 | fasta | tarzeau: iptraf doesn't seem to be working here. |
| 10:02.42 | cydork | fasta: ntop |
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| 10:02.47 | tarzeau | fasta: why not? error msg? |
| 10:02.53 | fasta | tarzeau: What about a "graphical" client? |
| 10:02.58 | tarzeau | cydork: did ntop get more stable during the last years? |
| 10:03.08 | tarzeau | cydork: it always crashed after a few months for me |
| 10:03.12 | tarzeau | !for x |
| 10:03.12 | rabbitear | jhiver: ever single time you add a package ever that, there will be a quorky error message |
| 10:03.12 | dpkg | All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt". |
| 10:03.18 | cydork | tarzeau: well it's stable enough.. |
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| 10:04.02 | rabbitear | jhiver: it *may* become to a put it *may* that sometime doesn't work, (usually it has to do with what you forced) |
| 10:04.36 | ttl_work | when i boot 2.6 networking does not work anymore so i'm back on 2.4 because i need networking |
| 10:04.53 | fasta | tarzeau: ksystemguard is arguably more easy to use than top. |
| 10:05.05 | ttl_work | and have no time to solve this issue now |
| 10:05.20 | rabbitear | my bad jhiver to a point, not put :/ |
| 10:05.21 | ma3x | cydork, I run the rdesktop client. And what should be the person with the windows machine running? |
| 10:05.38 | fasta | tarzeau: Under "Select Interface" in iptraf only lo and All Interfaces is shown. |
| 10:05.46 | tarzeau | fasta: i disagree |
| 10:06.09 | cydork | ma3x: he need to enable remote sharing something .. |
| 10:06.20 | cydork | ma3x: no need to install anything |
| 10:06.20 | tarzeau | fasta: iptraf also shows me the individual interfaces here |
| 10:06.30 | tarzeau | fasta: what version of iptraf do you have, and what does uname -a say? |
| 10:06.36 | fasta | tarzeau: For me that is the case, since I forget the incantations of top, because I am not a full time system administrator |
| 10:06.48 | ma3x | cydork, just that? no need to install a server or something? |
| 10:06.58 | tarzeau | fasta: it's got a manual page |
| 10:07.04 | fasta | tarzeau: 3.0.0 |
| 10:07.18 | cydork | ma3x: yep |
| 10:07.23 | fasta | tarzeau: 2.6.17 |
| 10:08.17 | fasta | tarzeau: true, but I forget it, because I use it too little. I use Emacs too, and sometimes prefer emacs -nw over emacs X11. It depends on the program and user combination. |
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| 10:08.36 | tarzeau | fasta: i agree |
| 10:08.47 | ma3x | cydork, and what port should I forward for rdesktop? what port does it use? |
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| 10:09.32 | cydork | ma3x: that i dont remember :) |
| 10:09.39 | nvz | ma3x: probably 5900 |
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| 10:09.53 | nvz | ma3x: its the base port for RFB protocol |
| 10:09.57 | fasta | tarzeau: under ifconfig another interface is shown |
| 10:10.06 | tarzeau | fasta: which? |
| 10:10.11 | fasta | tarzeau: "twee" |
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| 10:10.32 | fasta | tarzeau: I use udev, and I have a script which sets it up correctly. |
| 10:11.05 | ma3x | nvz, thank you |
| 10:11.13 | garo | How can I tell aptitude (on the commandline) to show me all automaticly installed packages that can be replaced by alternatives ? |
| 10:11.15 | cydork | nvz: RFB? i thought it was RDP or something |
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| 10:11.42 | ma3x | cydork, and what if I want to remote (desktop) connect to my computer from a cyber cafee? Should I be running any rdesktop server on my computer? |
| 10:11.56 | garo | or dpkg or something else if aptitude can't do it |
| 10:12.20 | tarzeau | ma3x: i'd use ssh -CX and a local x server (xming?) |
| 10:12.25 | HNT | hello everybody, when I try to get firefox in frenh, I install firefox-locale-fr (or mozilla-firefox-locale-fr) but in firefox the extension manager said me that the language extension isn't compatible with this version of firefox (1.5.0.6 and the language package : 1.5.0.4), so how can I get ffx in french ? |
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| 10:12.56 | fasta | cydork: during installation of ntop: eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 10:13.01 | cydork | ma3x: it depends on what os is on the both comps. |
| 10:13.12 | Flusher | HNT: t'as fait un apt-get update avant ? (on sait jamais) |
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| 10:13.21 | fasta | cydork: it seems to assume every interface is named eth<X> |
| 10:13.29 | ma3x | tarzeau, how do I do that exactly? I install xming on the computer I want to connect to? |
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| 10:13.31 | HNT | Flusher : oui / yes |
| 10:13.50 | ma3x | cydork, say client = windows, server = linux |
| 10:13.53 | tarzeau | ma3x: no, in the internetcafe |
| 10:13.55 | tarzeau | !sshx |
| 10:13.55 | dpkg | sshx is, like, Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
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| 10:14.36 | cydork | ma3x: or use vncserver |
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| 10:14.37 | vekpos | hi! how can i start more than one programm with a shell script? if I'm running licq, fore example, all programms after icq don't start. |
| 10:14.57 | pstickne | put it in the background |
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| 10:15.00 | Flusher | vekpos: add "&" |
| 10:15.01 | ma3x | tarzeau, xming is for windows? |
| 10:15.05 | vekpos | ok |
| 10:15.08 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes |
| 10:15.09 | Flusher | example: mycommand & |
| 10:15.17 | tarzeau | ma3x: i suppose in a internet cafe you don't get much else |
| 10:15.29 | Flusher | use the "jobs" command to see the background processes |
| 10:15.43 | tarzeau | and disown if you want the apps keep running and the terminal closed |
| 10:15.44 | Flusher | use the "fg [id]" to put a process at foreground |
| 10:15.53 | pstickne | tarzeau, I do it all the time ;) |
| 10:15.54 | Flusher | use ctrl+z to put it in background again |
| 10:16.09 | pstickne | %% is nice |
| 10:16.10 | tarzeau | or use gnu screen |
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| 10:16.39 | HNT | yeah, on the repositories, firefox is 1.5.0.6 but all language pack are 1.5.0.4, so how can they work togheter, I can't run firefox in french ? |
| 10:16.50 | tarzeau | HNT: did you check the BTS yet? |
| 10:16.53 | fasta | tarzeau: I answered your question, either I expect you ask another one, or that you say "this and that you could do" (or no response in case you are not willing to help further). |
| 10:16.55 | tarzeau | or !fr ? |
| 10:16.56 | Guerin | HNT: use the mozilla.org binaries |
| 10:17.03 | Guerin | debian's ff packages are a WOFT |
| 10:17.07 | tarzeau | fasta: i just don't know |
| 10:17.08 | pstickne | HNT, how often do you really need to know what the menu says? :p |
| 10:17.11 | fasta | tarzeau: ok, thank you |
| 10:17.12 | Flusher | HNT: i think the package is not updated yet |
| 10:17.19 | tarzeau | !WOFT |
| 10:17.20 | dpkg | i heard woft is Waste of Flipping Time |
| 10:17.31 | vekpos | ok, it works! great :) |
| 10:17.31 | tarzeau | Guerin: you mean ff is a WOFT |
| 10:17.42 | Flusher | vekpos: have fun |
| 10:17.56 | Guerin | no, ff is awesome in comparison to all the other browsers in existence |
| 10:18.12 | pstickne | Guerin, I've heard Opera is pretty good. |
| 10:18.13 | garo | How can I get a list of all automaticly installed packages that can be replaced by alternatives ? |
| 10:18.17 | pstickne | Guerin, but never used it... |
| 10:18.30 | pstickne | Guerin, and FF does blow chunks at times. |
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| 10:18.46 | tarzeau | garo: for example apt-cache showpkg www-browser ? |
| 10:18.49 | Flusher | the good thing in FF is extensions |
| 10:18.53 | nvz | cydork: *shrug* this is why I suggested realvnc.com because I dont know crap about windows "technology" |
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| 10:19.06 | Flusher | such as the "web developer" extension |
| 10:19.11 | tarzeau | Flusher: i think that's exactly the bad thing |
| 10:19.19 | Flusher | tarzeau: why ? |
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| 10:19.24 | Guerin | pstickne: opera isn't free, ergo it's not even in the running |
| 10:19.29 | fasta | tarzeau: tcpdump does work but does not show the associated application. |
| 10:19.34 | tarzeau | Flusher: because every time you update it, you have to keep track of each and every of those plugins |
| 10:19.51 | tarzeau | Flusher: and if you got the latest versions of ff, the extensions always are behind, and uninstallable |
| 10:19.54 | fasta | tarzeau: tcpdump does work but does not show the associated application. |
| 10:20.09 | tarzeau | fasta: what port are you looking for? |
| 10:20.13 | tarzeau | fasta: try lsof -i |
| 10:20.15 | Flusher | tarzeau: my accounting software, OpenSI, is a FF extension. It automatically updates it and thanks to XUL it can be runned everywhere FF is installed (Win/Mac/Linux) |
| 10:20.58 | tarzeau | Flusher: sure, and firefox never crashes |
| 10:20.59 | cydork | nvz: i have just used a one winows server till date, and hated it.. |
| 10:21.08 | Flusher | tarzeau: the majority of extensions remains compatible with the new releases of FF |
| 10:21.17 | Flusher | the true special case is 2.0 beta |
| 10:21.22 | tarzeau | Flusher: a browser for applications just lacks alot of important things (user interface like) |
| 10:21.26 | Doat | interfaces marked as "auto" don't start automatically at startup and i have to do '# ifup -a' every time i boot the computer. what's wrong? |
| 10:21.38 | tarzeau | Doat: maybe /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 10:21.42 | Flusher | but as soon as it will be officially released, I think that the most used extensions will be upgraded in a day |
| 10:21.52 | Doat | tarzeau: what about it? |
| 10:21.58 | Flusher | tarzeau: XUL is the response |
| 10:21.59 | tarzeau | Doat: maybe something wrong in there |
| 10:22.05 | tarzeau | Doat: can you put a link here to your config file? |
| 10:22.06 | Flusher | the answer i mean |
| 10:22.06 | ma3x | tarzeau, is there a way I can test this? I do ssh -CX ma3x@localhost, but nothing happens. I just login |
| 10:22.16 | tarzeau | ma3x: start "xclock" |
| 10:22.16 | fasta | tarzeau: lsof -i is good enough. Thank you :) |
| 10:22.19 | tarzeau | ma3x: echo $DISPLAY |
| 10:22.23 | tarzeau | fasta: yw |
| 10:22.32 | tarzeau | Flusher: no it's not |
| 10:22.46 | tarzeau | Flusher: firefox is a memory hog and cpu hog, it's slow and it's leaking memory |
| 10:22.49 | ma3x | tarzeau, ok thanks let me test it |
| 10:22.52 | Flusher | tarzeau: it's your advice ;) |
| 10:22.52 | tarzeau | and it doesn't stop crashing |
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| 10:23.00 | tarzeau | it's facts |
| 10:23.01 | Flusher | tarzeau: i agree with you, for this point |
| 10:23.07 | Doat | tarzeau: i'm quite sure it's not the interfaces file. i havent edited it recently and it used to work just fine |
| 10:23.10 | Flusher | that's a pity |
| 10:23.12 | tarzeau | and it's not usable remotely |
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| 10:23.29 | tarzeau | Doat: then maybe a network problem? dhcp? dhcp server problem? cabling? |
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| 10:23.34 | pstickne | Guerin, as in free beer or free speech? |
| 10:23.36 | knirps | how come everytime I reboot my /etc/motd file is reset? |
| 10:23.39 | Flusher | tarzeau: which browser do you recommand then ? |
| 10:23.44 | Doat | tarzeau: i think it's related to openbsd-inetd package somehow. i had problems configuring it |
| 10:23.50 | tarzeau | knirps: that's defined in /etc/defaults/ i think |
| 10:24.02 | tarzeau | Flusher: personally i use links2 -g. but really i like omniweb (which is not free) |
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| 10:24.11 | Flusher | tarzeau: you are an extremist. :) |
| 10:24.12 | tarzeau | Flusher: one time in future i will be using a gnustep based one |
| 10:24.24 | tarzeau | Flusher: did you even try links2 -g ? it does graphics just fine (just no css) |
| 10:24.30 | tarzeau | Doat: sid? |
| 10:24.37 | Doat | tarzeau: aptitude whined something about init-scripts so could there be something wrong with that? |
| 10:24.49 | Doat | tarzeau: sid?? |
| 10:24.49 | tarzeau | Doat: yes, openbsd-inetd package is mentioned in d-i errata |
| 10:24.51 | tarzeau | !sid |
| 10:24.52 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 10:25.04 | Flusher | tarzeau: CSS is the state of the art design technique, I can't use a browser which dont support it |
| 10:25.07 | Doat | tarzeau: no, testing |
| 10:25.12 | tarzeau | Flusher: css is a mess |
| 10:25.25 | tarzeau | Flusher: html was meant to be edited graphically |
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| 10:25.40 | tarzeau | Flusher: and it got raped until css. and it can never be fixed properly |
| 10:25.41 | Doat | tarzeau: i notice there are other inetd packages as well such as netkit-inetd. maybe it would work better? |
| 10:25.49 | tarzeau | Doat: no idea... |
| 10:25.59 | Doat | well worth a try i guess |
| 10:26.05 | tarzeau | Flusher: however postscript is nice, indeed |
| 10:26.06 | fasta | tarzeau: where do you get these strong ideas? Computer history? |
| 10:26.17 | tarzeau | fasta: exactly, how did you find out? |
| 10:26.30 | ma3x | tarzeau, there is no way this can work. I mean if I login to the console and type xclock nothing shows up |
| 10:26.31 | tarzeau | fasta: and experience |
| 10:26.39 | tarzeau | ma3x: what says echo $DISPLAY |
| 10:26.44 | ma3x | tarzeau, nothing |
| 10:26.50 | tarzeau | ma3x: could be your sshd doesn't support it, configure it in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 10:26.57 | tarzeau | ma3x: look for x11 forward or something like it |
| 10:26.59 | Flusher | tarzeau: a web page is information, XML is the standard for information storage, such HTML becomed XHTML and design-related information are popped into a standalone markup : CSS. It's just consist in splitting data and their presentation. I don't agree with you ... |
| 10:27.04 | fasta | tarzeau: How did I find out what? |
| 10:27.05 | ma3x | tarzeau, its put to yes! |
| 10:27.11 | tarzeau | Flusher: xml is the biggest mess i've ever seen |
| 10:27.35 | ma3x | tarzeau, but what i'm doing, I login to the console, and then I type 'ssh -CX ma3x@localhost' (from the same to the same computer) |
| 10:27.36 | Overand | how can I use sed to stick a period two characters before the end of a line? |
| 10:27.42 | ma3x | tarzeau, is that normal? |
| 10:27.44 | tarzeau | Flusher: data and their presentation was split apart long ago before css and html/xml. they've just messed up |
| 10:27.56 | Flusher | tarzeau: Then we are in different worlds. It will be difficult for us to understand each other ;) |
| 10:27.58 | yang | If anyone needs domains with half price, starting at 5 euro´s /msg me |
| 10:28.13 | tarzeau | Flusher: that's fine, i have no problem with that |
| 10:28.32 | Flusher | tarzeau: but your point of view is interesting, i'll wonder about this |
| 10:28.35 | tarzeau | ma3x: did you read !sshx ? |
| 10:28.54 | tarzeau | Flusher: you know the unix haters book, the chapter about X? |
| 10:28.59 | tarzeau | Flusher: read it, it's fun |
| 10:29.14 | tarzeau | Flusher: also read some about history of nextstep/openstep (interface design and display postscript) |
| 10:29.18 | fasta | tarzeau: I have used w3m, and saw that things could be better. Also some websites of smart people are text only, and there's nothing wrong with those. I do like some CSS2 websites, but it's hard to get everything right in every browser. |
| 10:29.20 | Flusher | tarzeau: not, thanks for the reference |
| 10:29.38 | tarzeau | fasta: exactly that's the problem |
| 10:29.41 | fasta | Wasn't that book written by people who love Lisp Machines, etc. |
| 10:29.59 | tarzeau | fasta: i'm not sure, but the author(s) certainly got alot of true points |
| 10:30.06 | Flusher | tarzeau: i am familiar with nextstep/openstep, it's a nice concept but the gnustep project will never be ready before we re both died ... |
| 10:30.16 | tarzeau | Flusher: i disagree |
| 10:30.23 | ma3x | tarzeau, I did. can I test that from the same computer? |
| 10:30.28 | ma3x | tarzeau, linux to linux |
| 10:30.31 | Flusher | for me ready = my mother can use it |
| 10:30.31 | tarzeau | Flusher: actually it is ready. it's just not popular, and it'll never have as much software as next did |
| 10:30.40 | Flusher | atm it's not possible |
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| 10:30.48 | tarzeau | ma3x: well .. you don't have more than one computer? |
| 10:30.51 | tarzeau | Flusher: why not? |
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| 10:30.55 | ma3x | tarzeau, nope |
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| 10:31.03 | Flusher | tarzeau: it's not userfriendly enough |
| 10:31.08 | tarzeau | Flusher: did you even look at the interface builder of gnustep? and mac os x? |
| 10:31.15 | tarzeau | Flusher: hahaha, please. |
| 10:31.19 | tarzeau | Flusher: it IS userfriendly |
| 10:31.25 | vegiVamp | help :-) |
| 10:31.43 | tarzeau | Flusher: you can install it with a package manager of debian or freebsd |
| 10:31.44 | Flusher | tarzeau: ok, I am not closed minded. I'll have a look again since I havent tested it for monthes |
| 10:31.46 | vegiVamp | I've got the following things from pure-ftpd-mysql since a few days - has anyone ever seen anything like it ? |
| 10:31.48 | vegiVamp | Sep 13 12:30:33 nauplius pure-ftpd: (?@?) [ERROR] Unable to identify the local socket: Transport endpoint is not connected |
| 10:31.53 | tarzeau | Flusher: wait, do you have sid? |
| 10:31.57 | Flusher | tarzeau: sure |
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| 10:32.04 | Flusher | tarzeau: no, sorry, sarge and etch |
| 10:32.04 | tarzeau | Flusher: hehe, it's being updated in sid, try it in a month |
| 10:32.13 | MatBoy | Hi All :) |
| 10:32.14 | tarzeau | Flusher: in sarge it works. in etch.. oh well |
| 10:32.21 | fasta | tarzeau: Are you particularly against "shiny" websites or is it just that the current means suck? In case of the latter: what would be in your opinion the best way to go towards that goal? |
| 10:32.25 | Flusher | tarzeau: ok I'll try it then under sarge |
| 10:32.40 | tarzeau | fasta: it's not about how they look, it's the technical point, how people write websites |
| 10:32.50 | tarzeau | fasta: can your mom make a website without your help? |
| 10:32.57 | fasta | tarzeau: no |
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| 10:33.11 | tarzeau | fasta: WorldWideWeb the first graphical webbrowser (on NeXT) was meant to edit html graphically |
| 10:33.14 | fasta | tarzeau: are you against a text format? I don't think so. |
| 10:33.22 | ma3x | tarzeau, that thing about the screen I don't understand. "screen -dmS iptraf iptraf" why do you want to start a screen like that. if you already login via ssh, can't you normally start it with "screen" ? |
| 10:33.25 | tarzeau | fasta: if that didn't fail (mozilla was able to edit html too, firefox doesn't anymore) |
| 10:33.34 | andreiutz | i want to install debian sid net-install . i reached the part to set up my monitor but i wasn't ask about the stable unstable versions |
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| 10:33.39 | tarzeau | fasta: no i love text format. but i don't like xml |
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| 10:33.47 | fasta | tarzeau: s-expressions? |
| 10:33.56 | tarzeau | ma3x: that's not related to anything with X, it's an example |
| 10:34.06 | ma3x | ok |
| 10:34.17 | tarzeau | ma3x: you've never run remote x stuff? |
| 10:34.37 | andreiutz | i want to install debian sid net-install . i reached the part to set up my monitor but i wasn't ask about the stable unstable versions . is that normal ? where is the step to specify if you want sid , sarge , etc ? |
| 10:34.39 | tarzeau | that is why x clients (that means, gnome and kde software too), don't depend on a x server |
| 10:34.52 | tarzeau | since both parts can be on different computers |
| 10:35.09 | fasta | I think an editing environment with s-expressions underlying it all and an up to date view of that s-expression is a nice way to build websites. |
| 10:35.24 | tarzeau | fasta: i like Safari too |
| 10:35.29 | ma3x | tarzeau, nope not with linux. tarzeau so I need 1. putty and 2. xs; right? |
| 10:35.30 | tarzeau | fasta: i just don't like many things about firefox |
| 10:35.40 | tarzeau | the download manager, the preferences , mailto link handling |
| 10:35.43 | fasta | tarzeau: I only like the extensions |
| 10:35.44 | tarzeau | textfile handling that it wants to download |
| 10:35.54 | tarzeau | large pdf's it downloads just to tell me there's no viewer for it |
| 10:35.57 | Overand | can I use xargs to feed each new line to a new instance of an app? |
| 10:35.58 | fasta | tarzeau: like blocking ads and flash, etc. |
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| 10:36.05 | coach | hi@all... |
| 10:36.13 | coach | i'm back (again^^) |
| 10:36.23 | tarzeau | Overand: what are you trying to do? |
| 10:36.26 | coach | my synaptic/apt can't get a connection |
| 10:36.33 | ma3x | if I choose to login to the console, then how can I invoke back kdm? |
| 10:36.35 | Overand | (example, a file with 3 lines, google.com aol.com whatever.com) cat file.name | xargs host > resolved.txt |
| 10:36.45 | ma3x | it doesn't work just by typing "kdm" |
| 10:36.53 | coach | even the official ftp i'm using doesnt work |
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| 10:37.23 | fasta | tarzeau: links2 doesn't support gmail (or the other way around, depending on your view) |
| 10:37.39 | tarzeau | fasta: it used to work |
| 10:37.44 | tarzeau | fasta: it's a problem of gmail, they broke it |
| 10:37.56 | tarzeau | fasta: it does forms and https correctly |
| 10:37.58 | fasta | tarzeau: same with Konqueror I think |
| 10:38.03 | tarzeau | fasta: javascript is a bit problematic though |
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| 10:38.13 | fasta | tarzeau: gmail breaks that every time, and the kde-devs hate it. |
| 10:38.17 | tarzeau | fasta: so are very large pictures (like over 2000x2000) |
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| 10:39.05 | tarzeau | fasta: how do you like the graphics handling in google? and the f9 menu? |
| 10:39.22 | tarzeau | fasta: it can even work graphically without x (using svgalib and framebuffer) |
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| 10:39.43 | tarzeau | fasta: one big disadvantage is fonts support |
| 10:39.53 | Overand | tarzeau: I'm trying to feed a number of lines through an app with each line running through the app once |
| 10:39.59 | Overand | specifically, a list of domains to run through 'host' |
| 10:40.07 | Overand | seperated by newlines |
| 10:40.13 | tarzeau | Overand: cat file| while read a; do host $a; done ? |
| 10:40.16 | fasta | tarzeau: I especially like that I can just press g, and type an URL. |
| 10:40.22 | fasta | tarzeau: you don't need the mouse as often |
| 10:40.27 | tarzeau | fasta: know ctlr-g and ctrl-w yet? |
| 10:40.30 | cydork | fasta: links2 supports gmail afaik |
| 10:40.34 | tarzeau | fasta: yeah it's very usable without mouse :) |
| 10:40.40 | tarzeau | cydork: it used to, gmail broke it |
| 10:40.43 | Overand | sounds good tarzeau =] |
| 10:40.53 | coach | would anyone of you so kind to give me his/her sources-lst for etch? |
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| 10:41.05 | fasta | tarzeau: what should C-w do? |
| 10:41.16 | tarzeau | fasta: in g, ctlr-w shows your history :) |
| 10:41.17 | cydork | tarzeau: oh ok.. |
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| 10:41.28 | tarzeau | coach: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 10:41.33 | tarzeau | coach: run it through sed |
| 10:41.49 | fasta | tarzeau: is the history searchable too directly? |
| 10:42.00 | tarzeau | fasta: dunno |
| 10:42.09 | tarzeau | fasta: you want a nice tip about a great music player too? |
| 10:42.19 | fasta | tarzeau: it appears not, but I like those browsers more than the "modern" browsers in some areas. |
| 10:42.23 | fasta | tarzeau: sure |
| 10:42.31 | tarzeau | fasta: opencubicplayer , then start it with ocp |
| 10:42.42 | tarzeau | fasta: and check the copyright year |
| 10:43.14 | coach | tarzeau, what does this command? |
| 10:43.30 | Overand | tarzeau: thanks a bunch |
| 10:43.32 | tarzeau | coach: it tcp connects to my server and reads my sources.list |
| 10:43.47 | fasta | Not being able to browse certain public networking (the things we pay tax for) websites because they are stupid pisses me off. |
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| 10:44.20 | tarzeau | fasta: i'd also prefer rtf more used instead of doc and pdf |
| 10:44.27 | tarzeau | and sxw |
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| 10:45.13 | fasta | tarzeau: I don't know a lot about rtf, other than that I know it is on the surface. |
| 10:45.15 | coach | tarzeau, sed telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 10:45.15 | coach | sed: can't find label for jump to `elnet' |
| 10:45.31 | fasta | tarzeau: 1994, is that special? |
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| 10:45.45 | tarzeau | coach: no telnet linuks.mine.nu | sed s,sid,etch,g |
| 10:45.53 | tarzeau | fasta: well , it's old :) |
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| 10:46.28 | tarzeau | fasta: i've even got some software of 1991 that i still use |
| 10:47.00 | coach | tarzeau, thx^^ |
| 10:47.17 | Trewas | tarzeau: you know that rtf is proprietary microsoft "standard"? |
| 10:47.27 | tarzeau | Trewas: no it's not proprietary |
| 10:47.41 | tarzeau | Trewas: yes it's from microsoft |
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| 10:47.45 | tarzeau | Trewas: try dict proprietary |
| 10:47.55 | johaBBa | i installed etch on my new laptop. i also installed gkrellm system monitor. it shows something is writing to my disk about once every 3-5 seconds. I have other debian systems w/grkrellm that do not show this constant disk activity. how do i find out what is writing to my disk every 3-5 seconds. |
| 10:48.14 | johaBBa | ? |
| 10:48.16 | Trewas | tarzeau: well, not proprietary in the sense that it is human-readable and therefore easy to reverse-engineer |
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| 10:48.24 | fasta | tarzeau: ncurses based programs that respond _immediately_ instead of after a .4 second delay are also very nice. |
| 10:48.28 | tarzeau | Trewas: next also implemented rtf, even extended it with rtfd. openoffice supports rtf too (but very bad). mac os x uses rtf as standard in textedit.app (which also exists for gnustep) |
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| 10:48.34 | fasta | tarzeau: like ocp |
| 10:48.38 | tarzeau | Trewas: no, you're entirely wrong |
| 10:48.42 | factorx^arbeit | I'm going to install Debian etch on my notebook. Will I be able to update to testing as soon as etch gets stable one day? |
| 10:49.06 | tarzeau | Trewas: go read up on the standart, it's public and free to be used because it was developed for people that needed it be like that |
| 10:49.10 | cydork | factorx^arbeit: use testing in your sources.list |
| 10:49.13 | ttl_work | i thought i810 was the correct audio driver but i think it should be i810_audio |
| 10:49.14 | lhds | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.14 | Trewas | tarzeau: yes I know it is commonly (and badly) supported and has its place, but that doesn't make it a good format |
| 10:49.18 | tarzeau | fasta: try alt-\ then f10..f12 |
| 10:49.30 | tarzeau | Trewas: no it's not commonly badly supported. only openoffice sucks |
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| 10:49.46 | tarzeau | Trewas: actually it IS a good format. tell me why you think it's not a good format |
| 10:49.49 | Overand | tarzeau: while NOT by any means definitive, the wikipedia article describes it as 'proprietary' |
| 10:50.10 | tarzeau | Overand: it's not protected by trademark or patent |
| 10:50.19 | tarzeau | Overand: wikipedia is not always right |
| 10:50.19 | Trewas | tarzeau: it's not xml ;) |
| 10:50.20 | factorx^arbeit | cydork, thank you |
| 10:50.25 | tarzeau | Trewas: and that's GOOD |
| 10:50.31 | tarzeau | Trewas: because XML IS UGLY |
| 10:50.38 | tarzeau | Trewas: let's end the discussion here |
| 10:50.53 | Overand | tarzeau: hence my disclaimer that it's not definitive |
| 10:50.59 | Overand | just adding to the discussion =P |
| 10:51.09 | Trewas | tarzeau: ok, and I don't actually have anything against rtf, just the flaky support in programs (in times I have had to use it) |
| 10:51.24 | lhds | talk to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 10:51.29 | tarzeau | Trewas: the support was great beteween wordpad, textedit.app on gnustep, and mac os x |
| 10:51.33 | fasta | tarzeau: What key is this? <^> Just arrow up? |
| 10:51.36 | eric__ | !java |
| 10:51.36 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 10:51.42 | tarzeau | Trewas: these includ mac os x, openstep, gnustep and windows |
| 10:51.44 | coach | tarzeau, seems that the german debian ftp is currently^^ |
| 10:51.50 | tarzeau | coach: yes it is |
| 10:51.54 | tarzeau | coach: it was announced on th eml |
| 10:52.03 | coach | tarzeau, eml? |
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| 10:52.04 | tarzeau | coach: i'm not using the german one, i use the swiss one |
| 10:52.06 | tarzeau | the ml |
| 10:52.09 | tarzeau | mailing list |
| 10:52.19 | coach | tarzeau, ah...^^ |
| 10:52.20 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: i don't, but i like postscript |
| 10:52.32 | tarzeau | fasta: backslash? |
| 10:52.33 | coach | so, that was all, thx...cya@all |
| 10:52.48 | johaBBa | i installed etch on my new laptop. i also installed gkrellm system monitor. it shows something is writing to my disk about once every 3-5 seconds. I have other debian systems w/grkrellm that do not show this constant disk activity. how do i find out what is writing to my disk every 3-5 seconds? |
| 10:53.01 | fasta | tarzeau: no |
| 10:53.12 | tarzeau | johaBBa: do you not have enough ram? |
| 10:53.12 | fasta | tarzeau: start ocp, and press h |
| 10:53.16 | tarzeau | johaBBa: try free -m and vmstat 1 |
| 10:53.23 | johaBBa | tarzeau, swap is zero. i have 1gb of ram |
| 10:53.25 | liable | johaBBa: try mounting your fs with noatime option |
| 10:53.33 | MatBoy | Did more people had a problem with mdadm after upgrading it on Etch ? |
| 10:53.35 | tarzeau | johaBBa: check all your processes then, top and ps might be helpful |
| 10:53.36 | johaBBa | liable, that works for ext3? |
| 10:53.42 | liable | johaBBa: yes |
| 10:53.47 | johaBBa | liable, will try |
| 10:53.51 | tarzeau | johaBBa: also try wmhdplop |
| 10:53.52 | fasta | tarzeau: the help pages render slowly. That could be vasylt improved |
| 10:54.04 | garo | tarzeau: the command should make a list of all installed packages that are a part of a "choice"-dependency (with "choice"-dependency, i mean a dependency like : "php3 | php4" ) of other installed packages. But if they are also part of a normal,non-choice-dependency, then they should not appear in the list |
| 10:54.04 | tarzeau | fasta: i'm sure they like patches, #ocp |
| 10:54.09 | fasta | vastly, even |
| 10:54.26 | tarzeau | garo: ? if that's a wish, file a wishlist bug |
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| 10:54.39 | johaBBa | tarzeau, looking at ps -ef i see only xfce stuffs. same xfce stuffs running on 2 other machines that aren't showing constant disk activity |
| 10:54.42 | knirps | ahhh.. I just deleted initrd.img on accident |
| 10:54.50 | tarzeau | johaBBa: i don't know then |
| 10:55.03 | ma3x | hey tarzeau, a little question: if you for eg. login and type 'ps aux' then 'clear' or 'reset' and then you logout. If you press shift+pageup you can see the result of 'ps aux'. Is there a way to erase (clear) that? |
| 10:55.10 | knirps | I was trying to delete initrd.img.old |
| 10:55.22 | knirps | is there anyway to retrieve it? |
| 10:55.28 | Overand | is it custom? |
| 10:55.32 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes i think there is, but i really never cared or know it off head |
| 10:55.35 | MatBoy | I would like to upgrade my 2.5.2-7 version of mdadm to the unstable version what is 2.5.3. Someone thoughts about it ? |
| 10:55.43 | johaBBa | liable, should i remove the 'defaults' flag and replace that with 'noatime'? or add the 'noatime' flag? |
| 10:55.47 | fasta | tarzeau: sweet that I can see one of the register values changing when I do C-c :) |
| 10:55.48 | knirps | well. I compiled the kernel, I didn't edit it manually |
| 10:55.52 | fasta | tarzeau: have you ever seen that? |
| 10:55.56 | ma3x | tarzeau, how can I find that out? |
| 10:55.59 | liable | johaBBa: you can just add noatime |
| 10:56.03 | tarzeau | fasta: hehe :) yes i know |
| 10:56.11 | liable | johaBBa: man mount/fstab |
| 10:56.13 | tarzeau | fasta: double-esc is for quitting :) |
| 10:56.24 | tarzeau | fasta: it has also graphics mode, see the .ocp/ config file |
| 10:56.40 | tarzeau | ma3x: google maybe? documentation about the getty ? |
| 10:56.48 | Overand | ma3x: try hitting enter a lot? |
| 10:56.48 | Overand | heh |
| 10:56.49 | fasta | tarzeau: yes, I was about to look that up :) |
| 10:56.49 | johaBBa | liable, i've used that w/reiser v3 but not ext3.....rebooting |
| 10:56.55 | tarzeau | fasta: you know it plays many other music formats? |
| 10:57.04 | Overand | ARGH WHY AM I NOT ASLEEP |
| 10:57.09 | liable | johaBBa: you can just mount -o remount. |
| 10:57.11 | ma3x | Overand, heh |
| 10:57.12 | johaBBa | doh |
| 10:57.22 | fasta | tarzeau: the music doesn't stop after I quit. |
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| 10:57.29 | tarzeau | fasta: trye these: http://io.debian.net/~tar/debian/music-misc/ http://io.debian.net/~tar/debian/music-adlib/ |
| 10:57.37 | tarzeau | fasta: it really should. fuser -k /dev/dsp :) |
| 10:57.47 | johaBBa | liable, i think noatime did it.... |
| 10:57.54 | tarzeau | fasta: some very new soundcard and alsa? |
| 10:58.12 | tarzeau | fasta: i've seen that on such computer systems (the sound driver is borked, and the buffer is being emptied) |
| 10:58.15 | liable | johaBBa: there was a little c program that used to be in ibm-acpi that would give you detailed info on disk acceses |
| 10:58.21 | fasta | tarzeau: no, nVidia with proprietary drivers |
| 10:58.29 | tarzeau | fasta: exactly on that computers! |
| 10:58.36 | tarzeau | fasta: the driver sucks! :) |
| 10:58.42 | fasta | tarzeau: I won't buy that crap anymore. |
| 10:58.53 | johaBBa | liable, thanks! i thought that noatime was only for reiserfs. no more strange disk activity |
| 10:58.55 | tarzeau | fasta: which alsa driver version? linux version ? |
| 10:59.01 | liable | johaBBa: sweet |
| 10:59.06 | tarzeau | fasta: it's not that the hardware has problems, it's the software |
| 10:59.08 | fasta | tarzeau: correction: the latest driver does somewhat work with kernel version <2.6.15 |
| 10:59.20 | fasta | tarzeau: they don't support 2.6.17 |
| 10:59.29 | fasta | tarzeau: As the driver does not compile |
| 10:59.39 | fasta | tarzeau: I fixed the software bugs. |
| 10:59.40 | tarzeau | fasta: it must be fixed |
| 10:59.42 | MatBoy | can I see when the 2.5.3 mdadm should go to testing ? |
| 10:59.42 | fasta | tarzeau: now it works |
| 10:59.47 | tarzeau | fasta: did you send in your patches? |
| 10:59.56 | tarzeau | MatBoy: sure |
| 11:00.01 | liable | johaBBa: laptop-mode-tools generally does it for you too, its an option in its config iirc |
| 11:00.01 | shut- | cya all |
| 11:00.05 | tarzeau | MatBoy: you could check packages.debian.org or subscribe to the PTS |
| 11:00.10 | tarzeau | !PTS |
| 11:00.25 | MatBoy | tarzeau, but there is timeschedule for it ? |
| 11:00.25 | tarzeau | dpkg pts is http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html |
| 11:00.25 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 11:00.25 | fasta | tarzeau: I made nvidia an offer, since I see myself as a customer. As a customer I am not responsible for fixing their broken software. |
| 11:00.27 | liable | YFT? |
| 11:00.33 | tarzeau | MatBoy: pts shows |
| 11:00.43 | tarzeau | !YFT |
| 11:00.48 | MatBoy | tarzeau, thanks ! |
| 11:00.53 | fasta | tarzeau: they ignored it |
| 11:00.58 | liable | tarzeau: i just made up that acronym :) |
| 11:01.05 | tarzeau | liable: hahaha :) |
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| 11:02.26 | fasta | tarzeau: you know a lot of commands by heart. How long do you use *nix systems? |
| 11:02.33 | tarzeau | fasta: 1999 only |
| 11:02.36 | MatBoy | tarzeau, can I see when a package is updated for last on my system ? |
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| 11:02.51 | tarzeau | fasta: but i've used them privately and at work often |
| 11:03.06 | tarzeau | MatBoy: you could certainly write some scripts/tools to do that |
| 11:03.15 | tarzeau | MatBoy: or since etch there's /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 11:03.53 | fasta | tarzeau: What is the contents of these things? http://io.debian.net/~tar/debian/music-misc/ |
| 11:04.10 | tarzeau | fasta: some music files packaged for /usr/share/music ... install them and try in ocp |
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| 11:04.44 | fasta | tarzeau: Oh, test files? |
| 11:04.58 | tarzeau | fasta: well music files really (adlib tunes and mods) |
| 11:05.11 | tarzeau | fasta: opencubicplayer handles a wide variety of music files |
| 11:05.20 | fasta | tarzeau: yes, you said already |
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| 11:05.29 | tarzeau | fasta: try also f4 and backspace |
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| 11:05.52 | tarzeau | fasta: m, i, a. and shift,ctrl,tab combinations of them all :) |
| 11:06.36 | fasta | tarzeau: surround F4? |
| 11:06.46 | tarzeau | fasta: yep |
| 11:06.49 | MatBoy | tarzeau, OK, I have the wrong mdadm version installed. What should I do ? Upgrade to a unstable version or downgrade ? |
| 11:06.52 | fasta | tarzeau: that is seriously cool |
| 11:07.09 | tarzeau | fasta: did you get to change the speed and pitch of playback? |
| 11:07.21 | tarzeau | fasta: using the "\" key? |
| 11:07.28 | tarzeau | fasta: then f9/f10 and f11/f12? |
| 11:07.55 | nvz | tarzeau: this opencubic player lets you change speen and pitch in realtime? |
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| 11:08.08 | tarzeau | nvz: yes, and independent of each other |
| 11:08.23 | nvz | tarzeau: interesting.. might help when learning a new song :P |
| 11:08.37 | tarzeau | nvz: 6 % .. 800 % |
| 11:09.01 | fasta | tarzeau: no, m i a only seem to change the interfacem, backspace seems to do nothing. |
| 11:09.04 | nvz | tarzeau: what kind of interface is it? curses? |
| 11:09.08 | tarzeau | nvz: yep |
| 11:09.12 | fasta | tarzeau: \ also doens't do anything |
| 11:09.14 | tarzeau | nvz: it also has a x rendering mode |
| 11:09.31 | tarzeau | fasta: backspace changes the filter top right off,AOI,FFI |
| 11:09.35 | fasta | tarzeau: p is rather nice |
| 11:09.38 | tarzeau | s,FFI,FOI, |
| 11:09.39 | nvz | tarzeau: oh? any particular toolkit or just curses X aware? |
| 11:09.45 | tarzeau | nvz: real X :) |
| 11:09.53 | nvz | ah native X programming |
| 11:10.04 | nvz | tarzeau: you got it packaged? |
| 11:10.06 | tarzeau | nvz: yes |
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| 11:10.31 | nvz | hmm I might have to look into it.. I like cplay a lot but its not really overly featured |
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| 11:10.40 | tarzeau | the dos version also had some nice hall etc equilizers, didn't check that on linux yet |
| 11:10.47 | MatBoy | I think I will uograde to the unstable 2.5.3 version |
| 11:11.17 | fasta | tarzeau: no, it doesn't change anything. I run this in gnome-terminal |
| 11:12.04 | fasta | tarzeau: I will try in a real tty |
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| 11:14.47 | Overand | cubicplayer ruled |
| 11:14.55 | tarzeau | Overand: it still does |
| 11:14.55 | Overand | one of the nicest dos MOD players ever |
| 11:14.59 | Overand | 'voiceprint' playback was stellar |
| 11:15.00 | Overand | yeah |
| 11:15.02 | tarzeau | Overand: it's alinux player too, now |
| 11:15.06 | tarzeau | Overand: and freebsd |
| 11:15.07 | Overand | i was very glad to year about openCP happening |
| 11:15.07 | fasta | tarzeau: It seems they don't understand what the GPL means. |
| 11:15.16 | tarzeau | fasta: who? |
| 11:15.31 | fasta | tarzeau: ocp authors |
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| 11:15.41 | Overand | what license are they using? |
| 11:15.45 | Overand | and/or what are they messing up? |
| 11:15.58 | fasta | tarzeau: press Alt-L |
| 11:16.09 | fasta | tarzeau: they say it's free for personal use only. |
| 11:16.38 | tarzeau | fasta: it's showing me the GNU GPL |
| 11:16.41 | Overand | fasta: that may be a leftover chunk of text from before it was *open* cp |
| 11:16.50 | tarzeau | Overand: gnu gpl |
| 11:17.08 | fasta | tarzeau: what was the license before it got gpl'ed? |
| 11:17.10 | Overand | tarzeau: yes, that's what i'm reading |
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| 11:17.20 | tarzeau | fasta: no idea, some form of freeware |
| 11:17.25 | yang | is it possible to install "cpanel" on debian as some providers have ? |
| 11:17.41 | MatBoy | enouf, are you there, or are you sitting ?? :p |
| 11:17.42 | nvz | yang: afaik its not in debian, but anything is possible |
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| 11:18.08 | yang | maybe some backport for it |
| 11:18.08 | nvz | I've never used this cpanel thing.. but my brothers hosting company had it |
| 11:18.13 | Overand | cpanel is commercial, isn't it? |
| 11:18.13 | nvz | seems a bit flaky |
| 11:18.28 | yang | nvz: i tried webmin, which is similar gui interface |
| 11:18.28 | Overand | yes, cpanel is a commercial app |
| 11:18.32 | nvz | web admin interfaces are by default |
| 11:18.42 | MatBoy | nvz, cpanel is not that nice |
| 11:18.47 | fasta | tarzeau: it's in the Foreword, I made a mistake. |
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| 11:19.13 | MatBoy | can some look in floot @ my fstab ? |
| 11:19.33 | nvz | yang: there were (not sure about current development status) webmin and usermin.. webmin seemed to handle more administrative tasks like configuring servers, and usermin seemed to be more user-level control |
| 11:19.35 | Overand | sooo- if you want to use cpanel in linux, call them up, send them the money they want for it, and have them help you. |
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| 11:19.41 | Overand | erm, cpanel in debian |
| 11:20.11 | nvz | neither of them are in etch it seems so I guess they quit working on them :P |
| 11:20.17 | nvz | !info usermin |
| 11:20.31 | yang | ah yes, its license restricted, i guess i will choose webmin |
| 11:20.31 | SlayerXP | I've yet to see any convincing evidence proving that web admin interfaces aren't the source of all evil. |
| 11:20.31 | nvz | !info usermin sarge |
| 11:20.38 | dpkg | usermin: (a web interface for user tasks), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.110-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 479 kB, Installed size: 3076 kB |
| 11:20.46 | MatBoy | usermin really sucks for hosting !@ |
| 11:20.57 | nvz | yeah seems the trail on user/web min ends at sarge |
| 11:21.20 | MatBoy | nvz, do you want to check my fstab in #flood ? |
| 11:21.30 | Kevin` | sarge webmin packages are probably old |
| 11:21.50 | MatBoy | Kevin`, take webmin always from testing |
| 11:21.56 | nvz | its really not that hard to setup PHP or cgi scripts to do whatever tasks you may need. I had setup a python cgi to handle submitting email feedback before |
| 11:22.08 | cydork | MatBoy: there is no webmin in etch |
| 11:22.12 | nvz | was only like 12 lines of python and a few lines of html for the form |
| 11:22.24 | cydork | MatBoy: it was removed |
| 11:22.41 | yang | nope no webmin in etch :/ |
| 11:22.44 | MatBoy | cydork, is it ? |
| 11:22.45 | Kevin` | nvz make me a python script that handles iptables tables/rules |
| 11:22.46 | MatBoy | ow :) |
| 11:22.47 | rubajat | is it possible to limit upload bandwith of a p2p application (e.g. amule) in other way then setting it in preferences? |
| 11:23.04 | nvz | Kevin`: heh. I dont know crap about iptables so thats not happening |
| 11:23.13 | Kevin` | :( |
| 11:23.15 | petemc | rubajat: theres a userspace bandwidth limiter - trickle |
| 11:23.20 | MatBoy | damn, noone want to go into flood ? there is no alligator in there :) |
| 11:23.52 | SlayerXP | i hear they have rays, though |
| 11:24.02 | nvz | but I like cgi because I can write in any scripting language.. I never learned PHP, or any other server side scripting languages like that |
| 11:24.09 | MatBoy | SlayerXP, can be... someone died there ? |
| 11:24.30 | nvz | python is really easy to dive into because its really well documented. though perl isnt bad either and is also well documented |
| 11:24.45 | rubajat | petemc: thx, i'll check it out - this might be sth I'm looking for |
| 11:24.46 | MatBoy | SlayerXP, I heard he couldn't see the difference between a alligator and a Ray |
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| 11:27.13 | cydork | nvz: perl is easy to write, difficult to read :P |
| 11:27.32 | nvz | It was kind of sad seeing them on tv the other day.. I didnt know he had two kids.. he was talking about not letting his daughter get married till she was 33 or something.. he didnt even make it to see her at 13 |
| 11:27.45 | rubajat | petemc: hit! thx once again, you guys are really amazing |
| 11:27.46 | fasta | tarzeau: F11 and F12... :) |
| 11:27.56 | tarzeau | fasta: :) |
| 11:28.00 | MatBoy | Guys, I have chrooted (with knopix) my md-arrays and checked the UUID of every MD. I changed this after it in the mdadm.conf. Should that work for the next "normal" reboot |
| 11:28.05 | fasta | tarzeau: It seems to work better than the one I remember from WinAmp |
| 11:28.26 | fasta | I _used_ to like WinAmp when I used Windows. |
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| 11:28.54 | nvz | its easy to fall in love with apps as a windows user when you are so deprived of good software |
| 11:29.33 | nvz | when you have to scour the whole damn internet just to run into some web of EULAs or end up trusting someones cracked version or use a stolen serial |
| 11:30.09 | fasta | nvz: right |
| 11:30.55 | nvz | the whole experience of windows makes me sick.. there are so many damn layers of aggrivation attached to doing simple freakin tasks |
| 11:31.37 | fasta | nvz: Windows is like a vcr. You get a few buttons you can press, and that's all they want you to use it for |
| 11:31.40 | nvz | if its not the availability of the software, its the liscence, the bugs, the bundled "spy/ad ware", or some other undesireable installation mess. |
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| 11:31.53 | E-bola | Where do i get the mssql plugin for mysql when using debian? |
| 11:31.59 | jfletcher | FFS, why does java absolutely WHORE cpu? |
| 11:32.09 | fasta | jfletcher: it doesn't. |
| 11:32.12 | jfletcher | doesnti t? |
| 11:32.24 | jfletcher | It takes up 98% of my 64bit 4200+ |
| 11:32.32 | jfletcher | has been doing for the last few days |
| 11:32.34 | fasta | jfletcher: then you are running software that sucks. |
| 11:32.41 | fasta | jfletcher: and probably it's not Java. |
| 11:32.47 | jfletcher | obviously, the jre from sun really sucks |
| 11:32.49 | jfletcher | yes it is |
| 11:32.53 | fasta | or the JVM to be more precise |
| 11:32.55 | jfletcher | i checked in system manager. |
| 11:33.01 | Overand | ... |
| 11:33.13 | fasta | jfletcher: that's not a very convincing argument. |
| 11:33.15 | nvz | that doesnt mean someone didnt program a shitty piece of forkbomb code |
| 11:33.17 | Overand | jfletcher: MAN WHY DOES DEBIAN SUCK. WHEN I USE IT, IT USES UP 98% OF MY CPU |
| 11:33.36 | Overand | What *application* are you running? |
| 11:33.36 | jfletcher | because you configured it wrong? |
| 11:33.40 | jfletcher | frostwire |
| 11:33.47 | jfletcher | however, theu sage from frostwire is minimal. |
| 11:33.50 | jfletcher | usage* |
| 11:33.52 | fasta | jfletcher: I recommend to fetch a clue from somewhere. You need it. |
| 11:33.52 | Overand | did it occur to you that perhaps it is frostwire that is the problem? |
| 11:34.01 | jfletcher | no |
| 11:34.10 | jfletcher | because in system manager the percentage frostwire is using is 0% |
| 11:34.11 | Overand | so- kill frostwire |
| 11:34.15 | Overand | ... |
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| 11:34.20 | Overand | asdkfjhsadf |
| 11:34.49 | jfletcher | Overand: I'm using a shell to irc. |
| 11:34.49 | Overand | heh |
| 11:35.07 | Overand | jfletcher: i see that. |
| 11:35.19 | Overand | jfletcher: the point is, 'java' shouldn't us *any* cpu time |
| 11:35.28 | Overand | no more than 'debian' would use CPU time by itself |
| 11:35.30 | karsten | Overand: top? |
| 11:35.46 | Overand | If I run a ton-of-ton-of-ton-of apps that eat CPU, obviously CPU will be eaten |
| 11:36.00 | Overand | so, if your JVM is eating 98% of your CPU, then clearly some java program is eating up CPU time |
| 11:36.18 | Overand | This isn't a complicated thing |
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| 11:36.33 | nvz | could be related to running it on 64bit too |
| 11:36.36 | saptech | hello all |
| 11:36.47 | jfletcher | nvz: I'm running a 32bit version of etch |
| 11:36.59 | nvz | jfletcher: *nod* this is what I am getting at |
| 11:37.11 | Overand | eh, i don't think that should be a problem |
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| 11:37.16 | jfletcher | It shouldn't.... |
| 11:37.28 | jfletcher | the problems are with the 64bit versions i've found |
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| 11:37.32 | Overand | if he's running 32-bit etch, the fact that he's on an athlon 64 chip shouldn't matter in the least |
| 11:37.50 | Overand | though if he's on an X2 chip, having an SMP kernel would be a help |
| 11:37.52 | margiolas | hi to everybody! |
| 11:37.56 | nvz | running 32bit software should take more cpu time than 64bit on a 64bit cpu |
| 11:38.07 | jfletcher | Overand: not x2 =] |
| 11:38.22 | Overand | nvz: the athlon 64 doesn't 'run as' a 64 bit CPU if you're running a 32 bit OS on it |
| 11:38.27 | Overand | it's fully 'x86 compatable' |
| 11:38.35 | jfletcher | it just runs as x86 |
| 11:38.42 | Overand | and i wasn't aware that there was any performance hit |
| 11:38.52 | doschdn | hi everyone. i'm running debian etch and im trying to get xen running. i installed xen-hypervisor-3.0-amd64 (version 3.0.2+hg9697-2), xen-utils and linux-image-2.6-xen-em64t-p4. now everytime i try to boot the xen hypervisor with that kernel, it stops at (XEN) Xen trace buffers: disabled. i already found a bugreport (385934), but it doesn't help me very much. the only solution seems to be installing packages from the unstable distribution. is |
| 11:38.52 | doschdn | ed, but yesterday i reinstalled the computer and for some reason now it doesn't work anymore :| |
| 11:39.11 | Overand | hm |
| 11:39.31 | doschdn | ;) |
| 11:39.44 | Overand | hahaha a bot just IMed me to say 'no away in #debian please' |
| 11:39.53 | Overand | because i had a /me with 'away' in it. cute. |
| 11:40.09 | nvz | Overand: which bot? |
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| 11:40.13 | margiolas | i am trying to install debian etch on my laptop the installation was normal but when I am tring to boot debian the system hangs because udev can't recognize my sound card what I can do ?????????? |
| 11:40.17 | Overand | i closed the window |
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| 11:40.34 | Overand | hm, no second message |
| 11:41.15 | karsten | Overand: It's got some time-limiter apparently. |
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| 11:41.19 | Overand | yeah |
| 11:41.21 | Overand | well that's good |
| 11:41.36 | karsten | doschdn: Might want to head over to the xen-user mailing list. |
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| 11:42.04 | nvz | simonrvn: nice try but your script is all-inclusivly annoying ;) |
| 11:42.58 | nvz | simonrvn: "/me is away*" would be less inclusive |
| 11:45.09 | jfletcher | Overand: I killed frostwire and java still has the same CPU usage :\ |
| 11:45.15 | doschdn | karsten: i'll try :D |
| 11:45.23 | doschdn | thanks anyway :) |
| 11:45.30 | karsten | doschdn: NP. |
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| 11:45.52 | cydork | doschdn: try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
| 11:46.21 | karsten | doschdn: The Fedora Core Xen docs are very good, I'd recommend taking a look at them. Yes, they're not Debian, but trust me, they're good. |
| 11:47.18 | doschdn | cydork: ahh, i didnt know about that chan, thanks |
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| 11:47.30 | doschdn | karsten: ok :) |
| 11:48.10 | karsten | doschdn: http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraXenQuickstart and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraXenQuickstartFC5 |
| 11:48.34 | karsten | doschdn: ... looks like it's been updated since I last looked at it. This stuff was referenced frequently internally at XenSource. |
| 11:49.00 | karsten | doschdn: Your dom0 is failing to boot? |
| 11:49.28 | doschdn | hmm.. i think the hypervisor is supposed to load the dom0 kernel at that point |
| 11:49.39 | doschdn | but it stops before it |
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| 11:50.34 | doschdn | (xen) xen trace buffer: disabled is the last line on the screen |
| 11:50.39 | karsten | doschdn: Yep. Treat it like a GRUB error. Triple-check your grub conf. |
| 11:51.02 | karsten | doschdn: Does it reboot? |
| 11:51.18 | doschdn | i put noreboot at the end of the xen commandline so it doesnt |
| 11:51.28 | karsten | That was my next question ;-) |
| 11:51.31 | doschdn | :D |
| 11:51.39 | karsten | doschdn: Is this you? http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.xen.user/15144 |
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| 11:52.15 | doschdn | nope, but its the same problem |
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| 11:52.19 | karsten | doschdn: ... and can you boot Linux native? |
| 11:52.23 | doschdn | exactly the same |
| 11:52.29 | doschdn | yes |
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| 11:53.33 | karsten | doschdn: Post your GRUB configuration. |
| 11:53.44 | roxy_ | is there a small app (to use in ascript ) that can translate from utf8 to latin1 ? |
| 11:53.53 | doschdn | k, wait |
| 11:54.07 | karsten | roxy_: iconv, IIRC. |
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| 11:54.08 | cahoot | roxy_: iconv? |
| 11:54.18 | roxy_ | cahoot, karsten : thanks |
| 11:54.40 | doschdn | http://lang.ath.cx/~doschdn/menu.lst here it is |
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| 11:55.55 | doschdn | the initrd of the xen kernel was generated by update-initramfs, because the package didnt contain one |
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| 11:56.44 | karsten | doschdn: Yeah. Confirm your kernel exists as specified (linux-xen, and xen, both). |
| 11:57.30 | karsten | doschdn: I'm a tad rusty with all of this, but IIRC this was a matter of having an improperly configured boot config. |
| 11:57.41 | doschdn | mhhh |
| 11:57.46 | karsten | ? |
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| 11:58.07 | doschdn | vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-xen-em64t-p4 xen-3.0-amd64.gz initrd.img-2.6.16-2-xen-em64t-p4 |
| 11:58.11 | doschdn | ive got these files in /boot |
| 11:59.19 | doschdn | could the problem be related to lvm? on my last installation i didnt have lvm and everything worked |
| 11:59.43 | Guerin | lvm bad |
| 11:59.46 | karsten | Yeah, that's another option. Partiularly if the initrd is bad. |
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| 12:00.00 | doschdn | hmm :| |
| 12:00.05 | Guerin | karsten: opposite of 'intense' |
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| 12:00.09 | karsten | Though I'd think you'd get a ways into the boot process. |
| 12:00.12 | Guerin | karsten: i need a thesaurus |
| 12:00.29 | karsten | Guerin: mundane. pedestrian, anticipated |
| 12:00.32 | karsten | Guerin: context? |
| 12:00.38 | normenk | just installed a 160G hd. what is the program to use to partition and format it? |
| 12:00.45 | Guerin | karsten: threat level |
| 12:00.55 | karsten | Guerin: More context. |
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| 12:01.01 | liable | normenk: fdisk/cfdisk |
| 12:01.30 | karsten | Guerin: terrorism? |
| 12:01.33 | normenk | liable: yeah, cfdisk. thks. i was trying cformat. |
| 12:01.35 | margiolas | use cfdisk or qtparted if you want gui |
| 12:01.36 | cat | hey can someone tell me why im getting this error Reading package lists... Error! E: Problem parsing dependency Depends E: Error occurred while processing bayonne (NewVersion1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 12:01.45 | Guerin | karsten: yeah |
| 12:01.55 | karsten | cat: re-run 'aptitude update' |
| 12:02.03 | karsten | !tell cat about aptitude |
| 12:02.21 | karsten | Guerin: /msg me the entence context |
| 12:02.27 | karsten | s/ent/sent/ |
| 12:02.30 | normenk | its terrible to have to remember commands. is there no better way to operate a computer? |
| 12:02.38 | liable | cat: or try dpkg --clear-avail |
| 12:02.39 | cat | karsten: i did that same error |
| 12:02.55 | cat | same error liable |
| 12:03.00 | cat | i've been wondering why? |
| 12:03.08 | dendrite | normenk: Yours is a long-running debate. |
| 12:03.24 | karsten | cat: rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* |
| 12:03.30 | karsten | cat: ... the 'aptitude update' |
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| 12:03.39 | karsten | cat: Hold one sec. |
| 12:03.42 | normenk | dendrite: it is? a few more dendrites may help too, for the memory, that is. |
| 12:03.45 | karsten | Anyone see a problem with above ^^ |
| 12:03.57 | cat | karsten: is a directory |
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| 12:04.12 | cat | is this a bug? |
| 12:04.18 | liable | cat: try cp status.old to status |
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| 12:04.34 | karsten | cat: partial is a directory, should be ok. |
| 12:04.47 | dendrite | normenk: Yeah, it is. The usual debate comes down to the merits of "recognition vs. Recollection" interfaces, e.g., icons versus commands... |
| 12:04.47 | karsten | Guerin: Still hunting? |
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| 12:05.02 | dendrite | normenk: But stay tuned for brain implants... |
| 12:05.06 | normenk | margiolas: qtparted is new to me, haven't got in installed. is it cool? |
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| 12:05.16 | liable | dendrite: pictues are easier than words? :) |
| 12:05.27 | dendrite | liable: easier, but slower. |
| 12:05.33 | liable | indeed |
| 12:05.33 | cat | liable: where is this status located it? |
| 12:05.42 | Guerin | karsten: thesauri are a pain sometimes |
| 12:05.43 | liable | cat: /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 12:05.48 | dendrite | liable: So that becomes a tradeoff between helping beginners versus experts. |
| 12:06.05 | liable | sure |
| 12:06.08 | karsten | Guerin: Indeed. /msg me the sentence you've got w/ XXX for word. |
| 12:06.13 | cat | liable: cp status.old status |
| 12:06.16 | cat | like that? |
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| 12:06.28 | liable | if you are in the dir, yes |
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| 12:06.56 | normenk | margiolas: no qtparted package. i am running etch. |
| 12:07.10 | cat | okay |
| 12:07.10 | liable | qtparted should be in etch |
| 12:07.11 | cat | done |
| 12:07.25 | liable | !+info qtparted etch |
| 12:07.26 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 12:07.30 | cat | thnx |
| 12:07.34 | dpkg | Package 'qtparted' does not exist. |
| 12:07.53 | liable | !whu is qtparted not in testing |
| 12:07.53 | dpkg | liable: okay |
| 12:08.01 | normenk | so, could it be in sid? |
| 12:08.02 | liable | !why is qtparted not in testing |
| 12:08.02 | dpkg | qtparted is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=qtparted |
| 12:08.07 | liable | cat: fixed? |
| 12:08.16 | liable | dpkg: forget whu is qtparted |
| 12:08.17 | dpkg | liable: i didn't have anything called 'whu is qtparted' to forget |
| 12:08.28 | liable | dpkg: forget whu |
| 12:08.28 | dpkg | i forgot whu, liable |
| 12:09.29 | normenk | i think i'll settle for cfdisk. |
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| 12:10.13 | liable | normenk: no need for qtparted unless you need to resize, but then parted does the job from cli |
| 12:10.29 | normenk | ok, bye. |
| 12:11.10 | row | how do you install python egg files on debian? |
| 12:11.33 | row | ah python-setuptools |
| 12:11.34 | row | sweet |
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| 12:16.48 | karsten | apt-get install chicken? |
| 12:16.58 | knirps | man the debian wiki is kinda silly |
| 12:17.29 | knirps | it tells you to open a terminal/remote terminal for every command |
| 12:17.33 | streuner | feel fre to edit it |
| 12:17.37 | streuner | free* |
| 12:18.41 | karsten | knirps: You mean you're *not* supposed to do that? |
| 12:19.06 | streuner | hehe |
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| 12:19.26 | knirps | karsten, no.. I mean its common sense.. and I know its needed to tell people who are new to linux.. but 50 times on a single page? |
| 12:20.03 | knirps | mostly the apt wiki |
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| 12:20.29 | karsten | knirps: It's a wiki. Mod it. |
| 12:20.36 | pumpkin0 | karsten: killall ... ? |
| 12:20.54 | knirps | karsten, I think I will.. you shouldn't have to tell someone how to open a terminal 20 times in 3 minutes. |
| 12:20.55 | karsten | pumpkin0: Where's the sport in that? |
| 12:21.05 | karsten | knirps: It's a wiki. Mod it. |
| 12:21.19 | knirps | karsten, I said I will |
| 12:21.20 | karsten | knirps: Or do you just like to whinge? |
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| 12:21.26 | karsten | knirps: OK. Good, and thanks. |
| 12:22.01 | knirps | karsten, I just wanted to see if it was just me who thought it was retarded. |
| 12:22.10 | minerale | How can I quickly and easly lock my desktop when I leave? Something akin to Windows's WIN+L or CTR-ALT-DELETE Lock/ENTER (gnome) |
| 12:22.11 | karsten | knirps: Agreement. URL? |
| 12:22.11 | knirps | but.. obviously nobody cares too much. |
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| 12:22.43 | karsten | minerale: Most desktops have a "lock screen" icon or panel applet. |
| 12:22.50 | knirps | karsten, http://wiki.debian.org/AptTools |
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| 12:23.05 | pumpkin0 | minerale: depends on the windowmanager. CTRL-ALT-Backspace works for all ... |
| 12:23.25 | normenk | i want to create image of a 32G partition in my old drive over to a 40G partition in my new drive. which is the best tool for the job? |
| 12:23.30 | karsten | minerale: You can also bind a hotkey to /usr/bin/xscreensaver-command -lock |
| 12:23.41 | karsten | pumpkin0: Worng solution. |
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| 12:23.57 | karsten | normenk: create an image, or back up the data? |
| 12:23.59 | knirps | karsten, and that's just one page.. almost all of the apt related wiki pages are full of repetitive things like that one. |
| 12:24.01 | pumpkin0 | normenk: man dd. |
| 12:24.06 | karsten | normenk: Image: dd. Back up: tar |
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| 12:24.10 | normenk | karsten: create a bit image. |
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| 12:24.16 | triplc | hello everyone |
| 12:24.21 | disasm | minerale: i have my alt-l in fluxbox bound to xlock |
| 12:24.40 | karsten | knirps: Yeah, that style of documentation *really* drives me nuts. |
| 12:24.43 | normenk | what about rsync? |
| 12:25.03 | karsten | normenk: If you're doing a one-time snapshot, tar has less overhead. |
| 12:25.26 | karsten | normenk: ... or a recursive copy or whatever. rsync has to generate a filelist first and compare local/remote. Clearly not necessary. |
| 12:25.33 | pumpkin0 | normenk: rsync does not make a image. It makes a backup at best. |
| 12:29.05 | doschdn | karsten: haha, it works now :D i fetched some xen-utils and xen-hypervisor packages from a few weeks ago, which were still on the debian server and installed them with dpkg.. it just seems that new xen-hypervisor package is broken |
| 12:29.05 | blondie | if you want to make an image, you need to use dd or similar |
| 12:29.05 | karsten | knirps: What I'd prefer is a preamble that paraphrases the steps involved, giving the reader the "what". Then pretty much everything in one fell swoop (or batched into sensibly grouped operations) which can simply be cut and pasted. |
| 12:29.05 | karsten | doschdn: Cool. |
| 12:29.05 | normenk | pumpkin0: dd makes an image? i should be able to boot to the same system i have on the source drive? |
| 12:29.06 | pumpkin0 | normenk: yes. |
| 12:29.06 | karsten | knirps: Preferably using a 'code' stylebox or similar. |
| 12:29.06 | normenk | pumpkin0: dd requires source and destination to be same size? |
| 12:29.06 | triplc | please help me: i have install "pppoe" and "pppoeconfig" in etch-amd64 (by default, the pppoeconfig is installed); but when i run "pppoeconfig", it asked for interface (where only eth0 is detected, which is correct) and then it *wait forever* at the Scanning for pppoe access concentrator. it is strange that after i *unplug* the ethernet cable, it *appears* to say that it has found the device and ready to write the config (dsl-provider). But of course, tha |
| 12:29.06 | triplc | t config does not word. Error: PAP authentication failed. |
| 12:29.06 | karsten | knirps: You could write a "how to open a terminal" page ;-) |
| 12:29.07 | pumpkin0 | normenk: destination can be bigger. But since dd copies the ext3/reiser-data the destiniation will be just as big as the source. |
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| 12:29.39 | normenk | source partition is 32G, destination is 40G. dd will use up only 32, with 8 available for expansion, right? |
| 12:29.49 | karsten | normenk: Correct. |
| 12:29.51 | pumpkin0 | normenk: yes. |
| 12:29.56 | normenk | ok, thks. |
| 12:30.10 | karsten | normenk:What are you planning on doing with that image? |
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| 12:41.19 | normenk | before i can format my new drive, i have to make it as device hdb. how do i do it? |
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| 12:43.13 | normenk | eh? |
| 12:43.27 | pumpkin0 | normenk: MAKEDEV /dev/hdb ? |
| 12:44.05 | normenk | got to check the man first. |
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| 12:45.36 | karsten | normenk: Erm. Is there a /dev/hdb? |
| 12:45.43 | karsten | pumpkin0: Don't think so. |
| 12:46.03 | pumpkin0 | karsten: it depends on udev or not ... |
| 12:46.10 | normenk | karsten: my first drive is hda. second would be hdb, no? |
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| 12:46.19 | karsten | normenk: Is the disk in the system? |
| 12:46.30 | karsten | normenk: 'cat /proc/partitions' should list known devices. |
| 12:46.56 | normenk | not yet. just connected it up. |
| 12:47.07 | karsten | normenk: for IDE: primary controller / master = hda. p/slave = hdb. Secondary master = hdc, 2/s = hdd. |
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| 12:47.25 | karsten | normenk: SATA may be either hde/f/g/h or sda/b/c/d depending on kernel. |
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| 12:48.45 | normenk | karsten: right now, i have a hd as ide master, device hda; a cdrw drive as ide master, device hdc. the hd i have added is a sata. |
| 12:48.59 | jfletcher | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) |
| 12:49.05 | karsten | normenk: Seperate SATA controller? |
| 12:49.06 | jfletcher | does anybody else get this error? |
| 12:49.37 | karsten | normenk: what I suggested then: cat /proc/partitions and/or look at /var/log/dmesg to see what devices are detected. |
| 12:49.37 | normenk | karsten: good question, everything is on the motherboard. |
| 12:49.51 | normenk | i mean the controllers. |
| 12:50.12 | karsten | normenk: Good place for them. |
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| 12:50.49 | cydork | karsten: heheh me too |
| 12:51.33 | normenk | my sata drive does not show up in /proc/partitions. before boot, i have checked the BIOS. it is detected. |
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| 12:52.07 | karsten | normenk: Prolly need to load modules. |
| 12:52.41 | normenk | right, i have to config kerrnel for sata. |
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| 12:52.58 | karsten | !sata |
| 12:52.58 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SCSI_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
| 12:53.00 | egarim | how could i allow my user to manage www pages in /var/www ? |
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| 12:53.14 | cat | egarim: with chmod +x |
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| 12:53.24 | Nazcafan | hi, any tex/debian gurus here ? |
| 12:53.29 | karsten | egarim: sudo, or a revision control system w/ staging + push, or a CMS. |
| 12:53.33 | cat | Nazcafan: ask you're question |
| 12:53.43 | karsten | cat: Lose you're apostrophe |
| 12:53.47 | egarim | cat: karsten isn't better allow with |
| 12:53.52 | egarim | groupadd www ? |
| 12:53.54 | cat | karsten: who are you to tell me that? |
| 12:53.59 | dimir | ask, cause you're the question! |
| 12:53.59 | Nazcafan | dvips won't compile the \og or \fg code stating dvips: ! Couldn't find header file lm-ec.enc |
| 12:54.06 | normenk | karsten: thks, i am using kernel 2.6.15. got to set the SATA. |
| 12:54.06 | karsten | cat: karsten |
| 12:54.14 | cat | well /ignore cat all |
| 12:54.20 | Nazcafan | however, the file is installed in /usr/share/texmf/fonts/enc/dvips/lm/lm-ec.enc |
| 12:54.27 | Nazcafan | by package lmodern |
| 12:54.33 | Nazcafan | it used to work though |
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| 12:54.42 | Nazcafan | cat: any clue ? |
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| 12:54.52 | karsten | egarim: ?? |
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| 12:55.15 | egarim | exist a group www that is allowed to modify files in /var/www ? |
| 12:55.22 | karsten | egarim: The "right" answer really depends on the scale of your website. I'd prefer _not_ letting arbitrary users grub around under /var/www. |
| 12:55.29 | cat | egarim: try cat /etc/group |
| 12:55.33 | cat | and see for you're self |
| 12:55.49 | egarim | i have www-data:* |
| 12:55.54 | karsten | egarim: If they've got a specific set of pages / subsection they want to manage, a VirtualDirectory directive is another option. |
| 12:55.55 | cat | Nazcafan: have you try checking the dependecies on the program? |
| 12:56.14 | Nazcafan | which program ? dvips ? |
| 12:56.19 | cat | yes indeed |
| 12:56.43 | eide | cat: I don't think you know what indeed means |
| 12:57.05 | Nazcafan | cat: I think dvips is a standart program of tetex-bin package |
| 12:57.38 | cat | is it Nazcafan ? |
| 12:57.39 | ttl_work | i have a "Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 02" onboard soundcard and i can't get it work |
| 12:57.50 | karsten | !set up sound |
| 12:57.55 | karsten | Feh. |
| 12:57.58 | cat | ttl_work: try getting alsa |
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| 12:58.05 | cydork | ttl_work: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 12:58.14 | ttl_work | modprobe i810_audio gives no errors but lsmod says i810_audio is not loaded |
| 12:58.23 | cat | ttl_work: try modprobe ac97 |
| 12:58.30 | cat | ):D and then adduser $USER audio |
| 12:58.30 | stew | ttl_work: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 12:59.13 | Nazcafan | cat: fou@majnoun:~/Desktop/projet$ apt-file search usr/bin/dvips |
| 12:59.13 | Nazcafan | dvipsk-ja: usr/bin/dvips |
| 12:59.13 | Nazcafan | tetex-bin: usr/bin/dvips |
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| 12:59.35 | Nazcafan | lmodern is not en tetex-bin dependencies imho |
| 13:00.04 | ttl_work | cat: modprobe ac97 gives no errors but lsmod says it is not loaded, same for al the other ac97.... modules |
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| 13:00.23 | charzero | I installed kdesvn, now KDE locks for 5-10 seconds every time I click a folder with the navigation pane open. Has anybody else had this happen? |
| 13:00.27 | cat | ttl_work: did you try adduser $user audio? |
| 13:00.32 | cat | and restart X |
| 13:00.37 | ttl_work | Stevie: kernel 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 13:00.54 | karsten | Why would a disk make an occasional full-seek, with a "knock-knock" as the head reaches end of range? |
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| 13:01.19 | wdamn | which kind of image should I download for a g5 ppc? |
| 13:01.25 | ttl_work | cat: The user `patrick' is already a member of `audio |
| 13:01.32 | cat | ttl_work: try restarting X |
| 13:01.35 | cat | and see what's up |
| 13:01.37 | disasm | I have a bash script that untars specific config information and installs a bunch of packages. Is there anyway I can turn this into a .deb that will run the setup script when it's installed? |
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| 13:01.41 | stew | ttl_work: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 13:01.48 | karsten | wdamn: http://www.debian.org/ Follow the "Installing Debian" link. |
| 13:01.48 | ttl_work | it alwayus worked till yesterday when i did a dist-upgrade |
| 13:01.51 | Nazcafan | cat: I really don't get it about the dependencies check |
| 13:01.56 | cat | disasm: try looking on www.debian.org/devel |
| 13:01.57 | stew | ttl_work: oh but wait. what version of debian are you running? |
| 13:02.11 | stew | ttl_work: your kernel is older than debian stable |
| 13:02.12 | ttl_work | stew: etch |
| 13:02.17 | cydork | ttl_work: check if you have alsa modules installed for your kernel. |
| 13:02.19 | egarim | if i add my user to www-data group it shoul be allow to edit /var/www correct ? but i still get permission denied |
| 13:02.24 | disasm | cat: it is possible thought, right? |
| 13:02.29 | stew | ttl_work: you really hsould be upgrading to a 2.6 kernel, /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 13:02.30 | cat | disasm: not really, |
| 13:02.55 | ttl_work | Stevie: i tried the 2.6 kernel but networking did not work anymore |
| 13:03.09 | cat | let disasm http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 13:03.13 | stew | ttl_work: what network card do you have? |
| 13:03.18 | jfletcher | I'm having all sorts of apt-get errors, 1 saying "security.deb.. returned bzip2 error" and one saying "no pubkey" I downloaded the 2006 pubkey but still no abvail |
| 13:03.21 | jfletcher | I'm using etch |
| 13:03.21 | stew | ttl_work: we can help you get network working in 2.6 |
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| 13:03.23 | cat | sorry there you go disasm there is the manual |
| 13:03.25 | stew | ttl_work: 2.4 isn't supported in etch |
| 13:03.41 | ttl_work | Stevie: 02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM/CA/CAM Ethernet Controller (rev 01) |
| 13:03.41 | ttl_work | 02:0b.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone] (rev 24) |
| 13:04.03 | jetscreamer | the key is jsut a warning, not a fatal error |
| 13:04.03 | stew | ttl_work: neither of those should be any problem at all |
| 13:04.29 | jfletcher | jetscreamer: yeah, but I would like to get rid of these, or at least know what they're trying to tell m.e |
| 13:04.33 | jfletcher | me* |
| 13:05.03 | ttl_work | stew: not suported, ok, IC |
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| 13:05.22 | jetscreamer | the security one, if you messed with it lately, check it again in the sources... and jsut redo. the key you can fix |
| 13:06.14 | jfletcher | in the sources? |
| 13:06.28 | ttl_work | stew: when booting 2.6 net NICs are detected but somehow routing or NAT was not working |
| 13:07.05 | stew | ttl_work: i would suspect that possibly eth0 and eth1 had switched places |
| 13:07.18 | stew | ttl_work: can you ping your default gateway? |
| 13:07.21 | jetscreamer | yes if you messed with sources lately like right before the security error |
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| 13:07.46 | jetscreamer | jfletcher: otherwise i usually just do it again on_error and it works |
| 13:07.49 | jetscreamer | the key... |
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| 13:07.52 | ttl_work | Stevie: that could be, because both are on different 255.255.255.0 nets |
| 13:08.07 | Orfeous | need some help to translate this so i understand. when i login to my shell the screen prints out this: |
| 13:08.11 | Orfeous | /bin/ls: No match. |
| 13:08.11 | ttl_work | stew: * |
| 13:08.13 | Orfeous | foreach: end not found. |
| 13:08.20 | Orfeous | what script or what is causing this? |
| 13:08.25 | Orfeous | i am using tcsh |
| 13:08.32 | ttl_work | stew: so that could explain nothing was working anymore |
| 13:08.35 | jetscreamer | you can take the hex code it supplies you when it lists the error, and go to gnupg.org or some site i forget the url, look up the keypari and then use it in the apt-key factoid |
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| 13:09.28 | ttl_work | Stevie: the simple solution would be to flip the cables |
| 13:09.32 | ttl_work | grr |
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| 13:09.49 | cocaa_ | hello |
| 13:09.50 | ttl_work | stew: sorry |
| 13:10.00 | stew | ttl_work: which 2.6 kernel do you have installed now? you need to use at least a 2.6.15 for etch currently |
| 13:10.18 | ttl_work | Stevie: the latest i think |
| 13:10.19 | cocaa_ | anybody an idear where i get the spawn command from for the expect in bash scripting (very urgent :) please) |
| 13:10.28 | ttl_work | stew: the latest i think |
| 13:10.50 | ttl_work | stew: 2.6.16-2-686 |
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| 13:11.02 | psycodad | how can i fix "dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success" when running dpkg |
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| 13:11.35 | pupung | hi |
| 13:11.41 | pupung | i have a question regard mysql on debian |
| 13:11.51 | stew | psycodad: put the exact command you are running and the exact output into a pastebin |
| 13:11.55 | stew | pupung: just ask your question |
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| 13:12.01 | pupung | i need to install mysql4.0, however it requires libreadline4 ... |
| 13:12.12 | pupung | my installation has libreadline5... |
| 13:12.21 | psycodad | stew: dpkg -l i.e. any option results in this error, even running dpkg without option |
| 13:12.23 | ttl_work | stew: when on 2.6 i could not ping anything anymore |
| 13:12.51 | pupung | whenever i select libreadline4, synaptics tells me that i need to uninstall a lot of stuff |
| 13:12.51 | psycodad | i found a line in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.conf like log /var/log/dpkg.log but i think that has been there always |
| 13:13.04 | stew | pupung: what version of debian are you running? |
| 13:13.08 | pupung | how will i fix this conflict |
| 13:13.11 | ttl_work | stew: but eth0 was 10.0.0.1 and eth1 was 192.168.1.1 |
| 13:13.19 | pupung | the unstable, etch i think |
| 13:13.32 | pupung | i installed gnome as my gui |
| 13:13.36 | ttl_work | stew: i wil check and switch the cables |
| 13:13.38 | pupung | and now its killing me... |
| 13:13.40 | stew | pupung: why can't you use mysql 5? mysql 4.0 isn't in unstable nor in etch |
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| 13:14.01 | cocaa_ | anybody knows spawn ? |
| 13:14.05 | pupung | because the database that i will use wil only work in 4.0 |
| 13:14.06 | cocaa_ | the command for expect |
| 13:14.11 | cocaa_ | where do i get it ? |
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| 13:14.31 | pupung | 5.0 has so many reserved words, so i have no time to edit my scripts |
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| 13:14.42 | stew | pupung: i'd suggest you install stable then |
| 13:14.47 | stew | pupung: and get to work fixing stuff |
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| 13:15.02 | pupung | errrmmm... |
| 13:15.12 | pupung | so i really have no choice??.... |
| 13:15.20 | jetscreamer | jsut install 4 off of pdo |
| 13:15.21 | ttl_work | stew: if the NICs switch places is there a way to switch them back (not the cables) ? |
| 13:15.32 | Orfeous | someone have a clue where my problem is? |
| 13:15.36 | pupung | hows that? |
| 13:15.43 | stew | ttl_work: yes, edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 13:15.43 | wdamn | I cannot start the installation process on a mac g5 - I've downloaded ppc debian version - should I use ppc64 version, instead? |
| 13:15.49 | jetscreamer | yeah take that allow-hotplug crap out of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:16.08 | stew | pupung: put the output of "aptitude install libreadline4" into a pastebin |
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| 13:16.14 | ttl_work | stew: ok |
| 13:16.27 | pupung | errm |
| 13:16.48 | JViz | if i accidentally bail out of the second stage of the install, how do i restart it? |
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| 13:16.58 | pumpkin0 | pupung: you can always try to install libreadline4. 4 and 5 use different filenames. |
| 13:17.00 | cydork | wdamn: check http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/install |
| 13:17.04 | stew | JViz: run "base-config" as root |
| 13:17.13 | JViz | stew: thank you |
| 13:17.37 | pupung | nope.. i cant.. |
| 13:17.44 | pupung | synaptics tells me that i have to remove one |
| 13:17.48 | ttl_work | stew: there is no such file /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 13:17.48 | pupung | to be able to use another |
| 13:17.58 | pupung | then i tried downloading the debian package |
| 13:18.07 | stew | ttl_work: what version of udev do you have installed? |
| 13:18.11 | pupung | --force-conflicts |
| 13:18.30 | stew | pupung: don't use --force-stuff |
| 13:18.43 | pupung | ok.. |
| 13:18.43 | pupung | what shall i do? |
| 13:18.50 | ttl_work | stew: Installed: 0.093-1 |
| 13:19.00 | FernandoMM | Hello, how can i access a ssh server without password (have to use it on a script)? |
| 13:19.04 | stew | ttl_work: then a z25_persistent-net.rules should be created when you boot 2.6.16 |
| 13:19.32 | jetscreamer | don't use synaptics |
| 13:19.40 | Alexismoy | Hi |
| 13:19.46 | Alexismoy | In which package is mysql_config ? |
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| 13:19.59 | stew | FernandoMM: on the client, run "ssh-keygen -t dsa" and hit enter for the password (leave it blank), then run "ssh-copy-id user@remotehost" to copy the key to the remote host |
| 13:20.04 | cydork | FernandoMM: /msg dpkg ssh without passwd |
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| 13:20.22 | stew | Alexismoy: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:20.28 | pumpkin0 | Alexismoy: ask www.debian.org => packages |
| 13:20.32 | Alexismoy | thx |
| 13:20.44 | stew | ttl_work: put the output of "aptitude install libreadline4" into a pastebin |
| 13:20.52 | ttl_work | stew: i have boot 2.6.16 once so shouldn't it be there ? |
| 13:20.53 | pupung | ok brb |
| 13:20.58 | ttl_work | stew: ok |
| 13:21.00 | stew | ttl_work: oh, not you, nm |
| 13:21.03 | pupung | how do i do that, sorry noob hrer |
| 13:21.25 | ttl_work | stew: np |
| 13:21.35 | stew | ttl_work: then you probably didn't boot 2.6.16 with udev > 0.090 |
| 13:21.58 | stew | pupung: how do you do what? |
| 13:22.02 | FernandoMM | stew: thanks |
| 13:22.27 | ttl_work | stew: dunno but i did not install anything new since |
| 13:22.35 | Alexismoy | dpkg doesn't reply to me |
| 13:22.44 | pumpkin0 | pupung: http://pastebin.com/ |
| 13:22.50 | pupung | ahh alright |
| 13:22.54 | stew | ttl_work: do you have a /etc/udev/rules.d/z45_persistent-net-generator.rules ? |
| 13:22.56 | pumpkin0 | Alexismoy: try the website. |
| 13:22.58 | margiolas | where the apt stores the local repository of the downloaded files? |
| 13:22.59 | ttl_work | Alexismoy: maybe it is in your ignore list |
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| 13:23.18 | stew | dpkg: tell Alexismoy about search |
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| 13:23.35 | Alexismoy | No, in fact, It was just laging |
| 13:23.42 | ttl_work | stew: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 2006-09-12 13:58 /etc/udev/rules.d/z45_persistent-net-generator.rules -> ../persistent-net-generator.rules |
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| 13:24.08 | stew | ttl_work: then /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules should be generated when you boot 2.6.16 |
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| 13:24.56 | ttl_work | stew: ok |
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| 13:28.52 | coach | i've got a problem...again^^ |
| 13:28.52 | ttl_work | stew: gonna reboot and boot 2.6.16, brb |
| 13:28.59 | coach | my nvidia-drivers won't work |
| 13:29.09 | coach | i compiled it |
| 13:29.21 | coach | i modprobed the module |
| 13:29.42 | cydork | hey 2.6.17 reached etch, man that was fast |
| 13:29.51 | coach | but...glxgears don't work |
| 13:30.03 | tarzeau | coach: why not? |
| 13:30.06 | tarzeau | coach: it works for me |
| 13:30.08 | jetscreamer | glxinfo |
| 13:30.17 | coach | tarzeau, you're still here? |
| 13:30.24 | jetscreamer | he's a bot |
| 13:30.29 | tarzeau | coach: yes |
| 13:30.30 | jetscreamer | you didn't know that? |
| 13:30.40 | tarzeau | i am the RO-BOT |
| 13:30.44 | coach | ^^ |
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| 13:30.59 | coach | shall i paste it here? |
| 13:31.04 | tarzeau | must destroy all humans. BANG! BANG! |
| 13:31.07 | jetscreamer | do glxinfo and see if it reports mesa or nvidia |
| 13:31.33 | coach | mesa glx indirect |
| 13:31.39 | jetscreamer | fix it |
| 13:31.43 | coach | how? |
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| 13:31.49 | jetscreamer | heh :) |
| 13:31.53 | jetscreamer | i forget |
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| 13:32.01 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: heh |
| 13:32.02 | coach | (you're crazy^^) |
| 13:32.42 | jetscreamer | i actually know, but it involves either compiling your kernel anew and usuing the .run, or just using a script from this other distro |
| 13:32.45 | stew | cydork: fast? what was it? 3 months? |
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| 13:33.16 | coach | jetscreamer, you mean evyo or what its name is...for ubuntu? |
| 13:33.23 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 13:33.24 | jetscreamer | no |
| 13:33.28 | jetscreamer | kanotix |
| 13:33.30 | cydork | stew: that's true :) |
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| 13:33.37 | coach | jetscreamer, and every kernel i made on my own didn't work^^ |
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| 13:33.59 | pupung2 | stew: still there? |
| 13:34.03 | jetscreamer | coach: that's 'probably' due to initrd hell, but that's another story |
| 13:34.05 | coach | tarzeau, have you got an idea? |
| 13:34.16 | tarzeau | coach: i use my nvidia-driver script |
| 13:34.38 | coach | i tried http://linox.be/wiki/index.php?n=Linux.NvidiaOnDebian <--this manual |
| 13:35.03 | tarzeau | coach: obviously it fails |
| 13:35.08 | coach | right... |
| 13:35.13 | tarzeau | coach: or you didn't do it careful enough |
| 13:35.23 | cydork | coach: you on etch? |
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| 13:35.33 | coach | yes, testing^^ |
| 13:36.06 | coach | on lsmod|grep nvidia i was missing nvidia_agp |
| 13:36.11 | cydork | coach: then try tarzeau's script. |
| 13:36.13 | jetscreamer | always |
| 13:36.28 | coach | but i've got i2c_core 19536 2 nvidia,i2c_viapro |
| 13:36.33 | jetscreamer | you have to mess around for nviida_agp |
| 13:36.36 | coach | whatever it means^^ |
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| 13:36.42 | cydork | tarzeau: tell coach about nvidia script |
| 13:36.43 | cydork | :) |
| 13:37.08 | jetscreamer | coach: is it an nforce board? |
| 13:37.12 | coach | no |
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| 13:37.19 | coach | just a geforce fx |
| 13:37.28 | tarzeau | coach: www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
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| 13:37.54 | jetscreamer | coach: what kind of motherboard, which chipset |
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| 13:38.01 | ttl_work | hi |
| 13:38.01 | jetscreamer | intel, sis... |
| 13:38.03 | ttl_work | re |
| 13:38.11 | coach | asrock, agp, amd, via |
| 13:38.12 | ttl_work | stew: you were right |
| 13:38.30 | ttl_work | stew: eth0 and eth1 switched places |
| 13:39.16 | ttl_work | stew: sound is back working |
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| 13:39.28 | jetscreamer | i think just modprobe agp_via and enter it in /etc/modules is all you need for agp |
| 13:39.38 | pupung2 | stew: are you still there? |
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| 13:40.15 | jetscreamer | at least atm |
| 13:40.15 | coach | theres no agp_via |
| 13:40.15 | jetscreamer | there's one just like it |
| 13:40.15 | jetscreamer | CONFIG_AGP_VIA |
| 13:40.20 | jetscreamer | but that's in the .config |
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| 13:41.19 | cr3 | anyone happen to know of a cheap firewire device I could use to test the firewire port with debian? |
| 13:41.46 | dest | if you have an ipod, you can try it |
| 13:41.50 | jetscreamer | camera? |
| 13:42.14 | coach | jetscreamer, k, the via_agp (!!) module is loaded |
| 13:42.15 | cr3 | dest: I don't have a firewire device though, I'm just wondering what's the cheapest device out there than can handle firewire |
| 13:42.19 | coach | so, whats now? |
| 13:43.05 | jetscreamer | so use the script he posted if you like |
| 13:43.05 | coach | jetscreamer, i'll try the script now... |
| 13:43.08 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 13:43.13 | d0uglas_ | any wireless APs/routers with better range than the Belkin Pre-N? |
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| 13:43.28 | jetscreamer | you may or may not need to apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` ` not ' |
| 13:43.34 | egarim | how could i add an user and allow him to use only ftp and not ssh ? |
| 13:43.38 | egarim | i try with /bin/false for login but i get error also with proftpd |
| 13:43.51 | jetscreamer | and build-essential and libncurses5-dev and gcc4.0... |
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| 13:43.53 | redrain | Is there any tool can help me to check if there is a bad sector on my hdd? |
| 13:45.10 | ttl_work | stew: still no /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 13:45.35 | coach | jetscreamer, and i need lspci, but my apt doesn't have it~.~ |
| 13:45.55 | nvz | infernixx: man that was an unsatisfying run around to saying I have no idea.. I had never considered any irony in the phrase though |
| 13:46.30 | ttl_work | stew: the content of /etc/udev/rules.d/ on http://channels.debian.net/paste/3725 |
| 13:46.45 | nvz | infernix** even |
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| 13:46.53 | ttl_work | another question |
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| 13:47.46 | jetscreamer | coach it's in pciutils or pci-utils... no - i think |
| 13:47.50 | coach | ill be back in ~30 minutes, my mother wants to shop a lil bit~.~ |
| 13:48.08 | jetscreamer | i'll be at work |
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| 13:48.16 | jetscreamer | fixing windows oh boy |
| 13:48.18 | lunaphyte_ | how can i spit put seconds since epoch? |
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| 13:48.38 | ttl_work | i'm using gnome and accidently removed the volume slider app from the upper right corner of panel, how can i get it back please ? |
| 13:48.45 | pupung2 | jetscreamer: i still cant figure out the solution to my problem |
| 13:49.05 | pupung2 | i badly need mysql4, but i wont have the time to install the debian stable |
| 13:49.16 | nvz | jetscreamer: I take it you dont mean panes of broken glass |
| 13:49.20 | pupung2 | anyone here who experienced this? |
| 13:49.30 | jetscreamer | try just downloading the package and dpkg -i maybe |
| 13:49.36 | jetscreamer | nvz yeah |
| 13:49.38 | LinuxHelp | hi, my compaq presario 700, is working okay with debian testing, EXCEPT for the fact that every 30 mins or so my network just "dies"... and then I have to ifdown eth0; ifup eth0. Dmesg doesnt show anything out of the ordinary, what I'm asking is: where can I find a log of network problems? |
| 13:49.39 | pupung2 | already tried... |
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| 13:50.04 | cr3 | dest: do you happen to know if I could connect two computers using a firewire cable to share files? |
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| 13:51.00 | jetscreamer | no idea pupung 2 |
| 13:51.14 | jetscreamer | i just kinda break shit till i get it right |
| 13:51.22 | pupung2 | errm... |
| 13:51.38 | pupung2 | i really dont understand why mysql4 want libreadline4.. |
| 13:51.45 | pupung2 | i mean theres libreadline5... |
| 13:52.00 | jfletcher | jetscreamer: now I'm getting that pubkey error for debian-multimidia.org :: how do you mean run on_error? |
| 13:52.35 | jetscreamer | !marillat key |
| 13:52.35 | dpkg | For apt >= 0.6, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907> |
| 13:52.53 | jfletcher | Thx. |
| 13:52.55 | jetscreamer | !tell jfletcher -about apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 13:53.16 | stew | pupung2: becuase mysql4 obsolete and people don't want to put the effort into make it able to use libreadline5, instead they are putting efforts into mysql5 |
| 13:53.37 | jetscreamer | jfletcher: |
| 13:53.38 | xdr | man vet att man har spelat før mkt gitarr nar man far ont i fingrarna av att oppna en olburk |
| 13:53.53 | xdr | sry |
| 13:53.53 | jetscreamer | jfletcher: in that factoid, ; means && |
| 13:53.54 | stew | ttl_work: does your networking work? |
| 13:53.56 | xdr | wrong channel |
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| 13:54.15 | jetscreamer | or something |
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| 13:54.44 | jetscreamer | sounds like php2me |
| 13:54.44 | ttl_work | stew: yes |
| 13:54.51 | berni_e | hello |
| 13:54.52 | ttl_work | stew: you were right |
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| 13:55.08 | ttl_work | stew: eth0 and eth1 switched places |
| 13:55.14 | ttl_work | stew: still no /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 13:55.27 | berni_e | i'm looking for a netinstall of debian amd64, link on debian site are down |
| 13:55.28 | jetscreamer | it's that allow-hotplug crap i bet |
| 13:55.28 | ttl_work | stew: the content of /etc/udev/rules.d/ on http://channels.debian.net/paste/3725 |
| 13:55.43 | realist | Hello, can anyone suggest an existing debian package that can parse tripwire reports, for the purpose of monitoring _multiple_ servers and policys? |
| 13:56.20 | ttl_work | stew: sound works too |
| 13:56.32 | nvz | s/cy/cie/ |
| 13:56.34 | berni_e | nobody to help me ? |
| 13:56.51 | pupung2 | ohh how am i gonna get this to work |
| 13:56.54 | stew | berni_e: which version of debian? |
| 13:57.12 | realist | I'd also like to be able to somehow 'automate' updating the tripwire database in the event of dpkg changing the filesystem |
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| 13:57.33 | berni_e | stew: debian amd64 |
| 13:57.48 | ttl_work | stew: but i would like to switch place of eth0 and eth1 back if possible |
| 13:57.50 | realist | If not, could anyone else forsee the usefulness of such a tool? |
| 13:57.55 | stew | berni_e: debian stable? |
| 13:57.57 | stew | berni_e: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
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| 13:58.16 | stew | ttl_work: list the module names in the order you want them in /etc/modules |
| 13:58.22 | berni_e | stew: links are down for netinstall |
| 13:58.35 | berni_e | and on mirror, there's no iso |
| 13:58.38 | LinuxHelp | aw c'mon guys, I cant believe theres no such thing as a network log.. think of something like /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but of course it would be /var/log/Eth.0.log? |
| 13:59.12 | nvz | realist: I am getting the gist of it... though I dont think I would really want to automate changes to a database that I rely on for a security purpose too much |
| 13:59.15 | realist | LinuxHelp: you'd actually need to be sniffing network traffic first. |
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| 13:59.51 | Assassin5 | or log it through iptables...... |
| 13:59.56 | realist | nvz: I mean, each time you install/remove/upgrade something using dpkg... you could somehow tell tripwire that those changes are expected |
| 14:00.21 | realist | nvz: it would remove 'some' of the human error |
| 14:00.27 | stew | berni_e: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/debian-31r3-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 14:00.36 | nvz | realist: right I know what you mean but do you know what I mean.. security comes from policy enforcement and auditing.. you try take out the work of such you are taking out the security. |
| 14:00.49 | realist | Most of the report is 'ignored', and any malicious changes could be 'hidden' in the expected changes |
| 14:01.22 | realist | nvz: I don't necessarily want it to 'exclude' anything from the reporting |
| 14:02.05 | realist | Just make it easier to filter out the 'expected' changes |
| 14:02.22 | nvz | I've never used tripwire.. considered it.. but I just basically borrowed ideas and done it my way,. more of a manual checksumming |
| 14:02.35 | realist | For example, running the tripwire report against `dpkg -L` for recently installed packages |
| 14:02.57 | realist | I'm almost tempted to write my own parser |
| 14:03.15 | nvz | I can easily checksum whole dirs and find out if someting changes I dont need real big databases and constant monitoring.. my systems are only used by me :P and if someone else does something I will notice |
| 14:03.35 | realist | Hmmm |
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| 14:04.12 | stew | berni_e: i emailed debian-www about the broken links, thanks for the 'heads up' |
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| 14:04.28 | berni_e | stew: no prob |
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| 14:04.43 | realist | nvz: how are you protecting your checksum db, and audit policy? |
| 14:05.34 | nvz | heh the db is in my pocket and I audit it when I feel need.. this doesnt work for servers and systems that get used more than mine |
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| 14:06.08 | realist | I also need a way to manage 50+ servers |
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| 14:06.23 | realist | I can't be reading 4x50 reports every day |
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| 14:06.50 | nvz | when something strange happens unusual clock drift, mismatching logs, too many users reported logged in. 50gb of space suddenly unaccounted for.. thats the kind of stuff makes me up my awareness on things :P |
| 14:07.00 | nvz | routine checks dont happen all that often |
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| 14:07.31 | realist | mismatching logs? |
| 14:07.36 | realist | how do you detect that? |
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| 14:08.11 | abrotman | use one machine for logging |
| 14:08.15 | nvz | I read them like I say I got usually 10 machines tops and its just me playing with them.. I keep a close eye on things |
| 14:08.21 | abrotman | !tell klork about root |
| 14:08.27 | nvz | right now I got 3, and I only run 2 at a time |
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| 14:09.29 | realist | abrotman: even still, you need to detect logfile tampering 'somehow' |
| 14:09.45 | abrotman | it's on a remote system |
| 14:10.05 | abrotman | nvz: who pays you? |
| 14:10.14 | nvz | abrotman: you do.. where's my money? |
| 14:10.23 | realist | abrotman: yes, and? |
| 14:10.53 | realist | What happens when the syslogd server gets cracked? |
| 14:10.59 | abrotman | realist: how many of your systems get compromised? |
| 14:11.43 | realist | abrotman: none (that I've been aware of) |
| 14:12.04 | abrotman | ok |
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| 14:12.23 | realist | Although this isn't necessarily about compromised machines, it's also configuration/change management |
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| 14:12.54 | abrotman | if you have to manage 50 machines .. it's probably far easier to have a single log host |
| 14:13.37 | realist | I do, however I'd still like to know how to verify the integrity of those logs |
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| 14:16.49 | klork | hullo guys, when logging, am getting an error device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied) any ideas? |
| 14:17.07 | klork | is chmod +w sufficient or a better way? |
| 14:17.19 | disasm | klork: are you in the audio group? |
| 14:17.29 | stew | klork: "adduser username audio" then logut and log back in |
| 14:17.34 | klork | most probably not .. okey |
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| 14:18.24 | klork | done thanks :) |
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| 14:22.46 | klork | one more query can one use reportbug with http/ftp/socks proxy? |
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| 14:24.37 | normenk | after kernel config, my sata drive is picked up by dmesg as follows: ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xE800 ctl 0xE402 bmdma 0xD800 irq 10 |
| 14:24.39 | normenk | ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xE000 ctl 0xDC02 bmdma 0xD808 irq 10 |
| 14:24.40 | normenk | ata1: dev 0 cfg 49:2f00 82:7c6b 83:7f69 84:4773 85:7c69 86:3e01 87:4763 88:207f |
| 14:24.42 | normenk | ata1: dev 0 ATA-7, max UDMA/133, 312581808 sectors: LBA48 |
| 14:24.43 | normenk | ata1: dev 0 configured for UDMA/133 |
| 14:24.45 | normenk | scsi0 : ata_piix |
| 14:24.46 | normenk | ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0xE007 |
| 14:25.24 | normenk | is scsi the device name? it does not appear in cdisk for me to partition or format. |
| 14:25.33 | normenk | i mean scsi0 |
| 14:25.40 | cydork | normenk: check /proc/partitions |
| 14:25.56 | normenk | cydork: checked that too, not there. |
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| 14:26.26 | normenk | is the last line about abnormal status serious? |
| 14:27.08 | cydork | normenk: which kernel are you using? |
| 14:27.20 | normenk | 2.6.15 |
| 14:29.05 | normenk | sata drive has been around for awhile now, surely linux support for it is stabilised. |
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| 14:30.07 | Gnea | normenk: /dev/sda is probably what you're looking for |
| 14:30.25 | nvz | this bloke says they got national health care in england.. screw the US |
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| 14:30.40 | normenk | Gnea: but it does not appear in cfdisk. |
| 14:30.56 | Gnea | normenk: cfdisk doesn't count, what about fdisk? |
| 14:31.04 | normenk | let me check. |
| 14:31.38 | Gnea | if it's a new disk, it's probably not partitioned yet |
| 14:33.00 | normenk | Gnea: fdisk does not find /dev/sda or sda0. right, new drive, not partitioned yet. the dev got to be there to partition it. |
| 14:33.12 | xdr | nvz: so does we in sweden as well |
| 14:33.52 | nvz | xdr: yeah . . . I am on my way to the post office to get my passport :P |
| 14:34.09 | Gnea | normenk: could you paste your whole dmesg to the paster site please |
| 14:34.12 | Gnea | !paster |
| 14:34.12 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:34.29 | normenk | ok, hang on. |
| 14:34.36 | cydork | nvz: you get passport from postoffice?? |
| 14:34.43 | xdr | nvz: and prolly the best laws around software/movie/music piracy as well |
| 14:34.47 | nvz | I could think of hundreds of reasons to live somewhere other than the US and I am not able to as quickly think of any reason why you would want to say |
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| 14:34.58 | Gnea | nvz: are you seriously moving to the UK? |
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| 14:35.01 | nvz | cydork: afaik thats where you would get one here |
| 14:35.13 | xdr | www.thepiratebay.org is located in sweden |
| 14:35.33 | nvz | Gnea: I dont have any money to get there.. but I've been considering it as a future move |
| 14:35.33 | cydork | nvz: you know about riaa right? |
| 14:35.34 | yaarg | the uk is falling apart too |
| 14:35.44 | nvz | cydork: yes |
| 14:35.49 | Gnea | nvz: you should move to the desert first |
| 14:36.15 | xdr | nvz: another benifit is that sweden hasn't fought a war in like 200 years, not much fear of terrorattacks here |
| 14:36.19 | nvz | I could get to canadia easier.. dont need to cross an ocean there :P that or mexico |
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| 14:36.41 | Gnea | why in the hell would anyone want to move to mexico? |
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| 14:36.57 | eide | xrd: but sweden is infested with muslims |
| 14:37.05 | nvz | xdr: my govt are the terrorists as far as I am concerned |
| 14:37.12 | Gnea | the place is such a shithole that they've been hopping the fence into the states for years |
| 14:37.31 | cydork | nvz: but mexico? what are you goin to do there? :) |
| 14:37.35 | eide | there is nowhere to move. Someone has got to start a new country with a new constitution |
| 14:37.43 | nvz | cydork: margaritas, senioritas |
| 14:37.47 | eide | and follow it |
| 14:37.53 | xdr | nvz: so that's why they're building that fence against mexico...to stop ppl from running away |
| 14:37.53 | Gnea | but anyways, this isn't #politics |
| 14:37.56 | nvz | cydork: hey I can speak spanish better than french |
| 14:38.05 | nvz | xdr: heh |
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| 14:38.42 | ttl_work | stew: putting the modules for the NICs in /etc/modules did not work to make them change place |
| 14:38.53 | nvz | cydork: besides what I am gonna do there is keep heading south brazillian women are much sexier |
| 14:38.59 | ttl_work | stew: i tried it both ways |
| 14:39.00 | Gnea | *yawn* i should catch a nap |
| 14:39.14 | ttl_work | stew: the modules are e100 and 3c59x |
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| 14:39.21 | cydork | nvz: that' fine. but what about earning? :) |
| 14:40.01 | Gnea | normenk: you got that paste yet? |
| 14:40.02 | normenk | Gnea: its there, the relevant part. |
| 14:40.06 | nvz | yeah I guess I better diversify my stock portfolio first :P |
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| 14:40.30 | Gnea | normenk: ok well, i gotta get some sleep, and if you can't follow directions, then i can't help |
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| 14:41.06 | normenk | i knew it, you know nuts. get lost. have a good nightmare. |
| 14:41.24 | Gnea | and just for that attitude, you probably won't get any help from this channel. |
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| 14:41.48 | normenk | Gnea: if they are all like you, it doesn't matter a hoot. |
| 14:41.53 | ttl_work | I'm trying to switch eth0 and eth1, I'm using etch and 2.6.16 kernel |
| 14:41.54 | Tobi | hi |
| 14:42.10 | ttl_work | can anybody help me out ? |
| 14:42.15 | normenk | Gnea: i can fix this myself. matter of time. |
| 14:42.26 | eide | normenk: stfu. We don't care |
| 14:42.31 | Gnea | normenk: please do, and take your crap-ass attitude elsewhere, please. |
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| 14:42.35 | Nethox | ttl_work: use udev to identify your NIC with the MAC address and asign the dev name you want |
| 14:42.45 | normenk | eide: mysob, gfy, ifyi. |
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| 14:42.56 | cydork | ttl_work: you can edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules for that i gues. |
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| 14:43.38 | Gnea | eide: quick recap - i asked him for a pastebin of his entire dmesg, he didn't provide it, said that there's just a relevent part there - as if he knows what he's doing. good luck. |
| 14:43.44 | normenk | eide: that means, mother-fucking-son-of-bitch, go fuck yourself, i fuck you incessantly. |
| 14:43.49 | ttl_work | Nethox & cydork: yes but i don't have the file /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 14:44.00 | Gnea | ~troll normenk |
| 14:44.01 | apt | ACTION hereby declares normenk a troll |
| 14:44.04 | Ronin | well im glad i popped in time to see normenk temper tantram |
| 14:44.12 | ttl_work | stew told me the same |
| 14:44.16 | Gnea | good night/morning/day everyone. |
| 14:44.20 | eide | normenk: so it doesn't matter a hoot? Why are you still writing? This must be goddamn important to you |
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| 14:44.37 | ttl_work | Nethox & cydork: but i have udev |
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| 14:44.47 | ttl_work | Nethox & cydork: i don't get it anymore |
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| 14:45.15 | normenk | eide: learn a lesson. being nasty can be easily outdone, being nice is not. |
| 14:45.15 | normenk | eide: stupid mfsob, i m heaping profanities on you. the problem can wait. |
| 14:45.24 | Tobi | i try to realize publickkey authentication for backup user. if i login from one to the other machine with backup user its okay, but if i start a script per sudo the remote machine asks for the root passwort, is this normal? i tried to realize root authent. per publickkey also, but it doesnt work and it also makes no sence because i wont no lroot login |
| 14:45.31 | tuv | i remember a tool similar to ifrename, but more generic |
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| 14:46.09 | nvz | normenk: try get back to the problem and maybe find some medication for your touretts syntrome |
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| 14:47.05 | cydork | ttl_work: hrmmm that should be genreated by z45_persistent-net-generator.rules afaik |
| 14:47.08 | nvz | I like to swear a bit too.. but it really shows a great lack of class and doesnt show much for intelligence either |
| 14:47.13 | eide | being nice? Ungratefulness is pretty much the definition of not being nice. |
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| 14:47.35 | psycodad | DO NOT feed the troll! |
| 14:47.36 | Nethox | ttl_work: then create a file in /etc/udev/rules.d/010_personal.rules with a line like this: KERNEL=="eth*", SYSFS{address}=="00:11:22:33:44:55", NAME="eth0" |
| 14:48.12 | eide | psychonate: he's gone |
| 14:48.31 | eide | but I'm sorry, I shouldn't have |
| 14:48.45 | ttl_work | Nethox: 00:11:22:33:44:55 for the MAC address ? |
| 14:48.54 | psycodad | talking to such idiots keeps them goin over and over |
| 14:48.58 | tuv | ttl_work, you also could use ifrename, or another similar tool that i forgot :/ |
| 14:49.18 | Nethox | ttl_work: yes, use yours |
| 14:49.40 | Tobi | nobody who has an idea? |
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| 14:50.35 | Nethox | ttl_work: you can use it twice for your 2 cards in the same udev rules file |
| 14:51.16 | stew | eide: you must keep your comments/questions on-topic |
| 14:51.32 | tuv | Tobi, so what is your problem? sudo makes you root and you don't want root remote login |
| 14:52.04 | calmar | grr, I moved a file instead of copying (and changed it afterwards. anyway to recover on reiserfs in a easy way)? or it shouldbe on the flash-memory as well, there I just deleted all. fat16 that is. any hints? |
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| 14:52.45 | stew | ttl_work: you might try /msg dpkg fresh udev config ; then reboot to see if z25_persistent-net.rules gets created, or create the rules by hand as Nethox has suggested |
| 14:52.54 | jelly | ttl_work: the nonexistent file says: This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_net_rules so maybe you could run that manually to get it created. |
| 14:53.03 | ttl_work | Nethox: i created the file /etc/udev/rules.d/010_personal.rules and added this line: KERNEL=="eth*", SYSFS{address}=="00:02:A5:AB:B2:80", NAME="eth0" |
| 14:53.05 | luke-jr_work | Are /proc and co not supposed to be in fstab for Debian? |
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| 14:53.17 | agney | anyone using alpha ? |
| 14:53.20 | stew | ttl_work: do you have the iproute package installed? |
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| 14:53.45 | stew | if not, that might explain things |
| 14:53.49 | Ronin | alpha what? |
| 14:53.55 | babyhuey_ | does anyone know how to set vnc to use a specific window manager? |
| 14:53.55 | stew | !alpha |
| 14:53.55 | dpkg | WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. #alpha |
| 14:53.58 | nvz | alpha arch I suppose |
| 14:54.04 | Tobi | tuv: i thaught i dont have to login as root but it makes sence, if i run sth. with sudo i am root? |
| 14:54.06 | ttl_work | stew: iptables i have |
| 14:54.06 | kristalino | how to send ssh command remotely to several computers at the same time ? |
| 14:54.10 | Nethox | ttl_work: try /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 14:54.19 | stew | ttl_work: do you have the iproute package installed? |
| 14:54.27 | luke-jr_work | /dev/pts, /proc, /dev/shm, and swap... |
| 14:54.36 | ttl_work | stew: one sec |
| 14:54.43 | tuv | Tobi, i guess it depends on your sudoers file, but basically yes |
| 14:54.47 | stew | kristalino: have a look at dsh or clusherssh |
| 14:55.04 | Tobi | tuv: so i will tell you what i want |
| 14:55.10 | ttl_work | stew: iproute is installed |
| 14:55.14 | tuv | Tobi, btw, idon't use sudo, so.. |
| 14:55.16 | ttl_work | stew: 20051007-4 |
| 14:55.23 | stew | oh good, ifupdown now depends on iproute |
| 14:55.26 | ttl_work | Nethox: one sec |
| 14:55.31 | kristalino | stew, thanks |
| 14:55.45 | Tobi | tuv: the thing is, it is possible on 2 other machines |
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| 14:56.07 | tuv | Tobi, you can setup key authentication for root, but it's not good |
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| 14:56.14 | luke-jr_work | ... |
| 14:56.25 | luke-jr_work | why not just rename root? |
| 14:56.45 | Tobi | tuv: i dont want it at all |
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| 14:57.08 | Tobi | tuv: this is the reason i made a backup user |
| 14:57.26 | tuv | Tobi, so why sudo? |
| 14:57.38 | Nethox | luke-jr_work: use mount to check that /proc & co are automatically mounted |
| 14:57.50 | ttl_work | Nethox: udev restarted still no z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 14:57.51 | Tobi | tuv: because i need root rights to have access to all folders |
| 14:57.58 | luke-jr_work | tuv: to avoid a single all-powerful user that cannot be held accountable for things? |
| 14:58.14 | ttl_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.17 | luke-jr_work | Nethox: my current fstab has proc & co in fstab... |
| 14:58.48 | Nethox | ttl_work: yes, what i told you is for making your personal rules file, I don't know why you don't have that file (I have it) |
| 14:58.48 | yaarg | renaming root would break all kinds of stuff |
| 14:58.50 | ttl_work | going to try dpkg -P --force-depends udev && apt-get install udev |
| 14:58.53 | Tobi | tuv: there is only the backup script that i will execute with root rights |
| 14:58.58 | luke-jr_work | yaarg: like? |
| 14:59.15 | tuv | Tobi, locally? |
| 14:59.21 | Tobi | tuv: and i thaught that this is possible with /etc/sudoers |
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| 14:59.34 | stew | Tobi: it is |
| 14:59.40 | Tobi | tuv: yes its a script in /root/backup |
| 14:59.43 | Nethox | luke-jr_work: yes, but its not necesary if not configuring special options |
| 14:59.56 | yaarg | luke-jr_work: you'd have to change a whole bunch of scripts and permissions |
| 15:00.19 | stew | and its security through obscurity, which is not real security |
| 15:00.24 | Nethox | ttl_work: you can use apitude reinstall |
| 15:00.28 | yaarg | indeed |
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| 15:00.35 | Nethox | ttl_work: *aptitude |
| 15:00.39 | Tobi | stew: yes, but it seems i need to login as root on the remote host if i execute the script with root rights |
| 15:01.01 | tuv | Tobi, so you want to backup files that are readable only by root? |
| 15:01.01 | stew | Tobi: why does it seem that way? |
| 15:01.05 | Tobi | stwe: why? |
| 15:01.34 | Tobi | stew: because if i execute it i must give the root pw |
| 15:01.44 | ttl_work | now i have z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 15:01.49 | tuv | Tobi, no. you need to allow your local root to login as a different user on the remote machine |
| 15:02.14 | stew | Tobi: no, you have to give the backup users password, not root's password, but you can also configure /etc/sudoers so that the backup user can execute that script as root without providing a password if you use the NOPASSWD option |
| 15:02.31 | stew | ttl_work: after <fresh udev config> ? |
| 15:02.50 | Tobi | stew: i have that in the /etc/sudoers i think its a problem with the publickkey auth |
| 15:02.51 | ttl_work | stew: Yes! :) |
| 15:02.59 | stew | ttl_work: good to know that factoid is still useful |
| 15:03.09 | stew | Tobi: no, its not |
| 15:03.20 | stew | Tobi: its means your sudoers isn't setup correctly |
| 15:03.32 | Nethox | ttl_work: well, now its the same but with the new file |
| 15:03.40 | Tobi | stew: so i will give you my /etc/sudoers |
| 15:03.42 | enouf | luke-jr_work: I have /proc and /swap in fstab - things like /dev/shm, /sysfs, /proc, /tmpfs /dev/pts show up in 'mount' and /etc/mtab |
| 15:03.48 | stew | Tobi: use a pastebin, please |
| 15:04.00 | Tobi | stew: but it is possible to backup one other machine... |
| 15:04.12 | Tobi | stew pastebin? |
| 15:04.16 | stew | !pastebin |
| 15:04.17 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 15:04.24 | ttl_work | Nethox: i've deleted /etc/udev/rules.d/010_personal.rules |
| 15:04.34 | Nethox | ttl_work: It's ok |
| 15:04.40 | luke-jr_work | enouf: */*swap? =p |
| 15:05.02 | egarim | how could i add an user and allow him to use only ftp and not other service like ssh ? |
| 15:05.12 | Tobi | stew: i dont know what it is |
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| 15:05.25 | enouf | luke-jr_work: but bnaturally /swap doesn't have a mount point in /etc/fstab - I don't understand your question maybe |
| 15:05.33 | stew | Tobi: see what dpkg just said |
| 15:05.49 | ttl_work | Nethox: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules has 2 lines for eth0 and eth1 |
| 15:05.50 | Tobi | stew: k |
| 15:05.52 | luke-jr_work | enouf: usually its just 'swap', not '/swap' as the latter suggests a path |
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| 15:06.31 | ttl_work | Nethox: can i change eth0 in eth1 and vice versa ? |
| 15:06.36 | enouf | luke-jr_work: yeah well look at the /dev/hdXX it's on .. |
| 15:06.54 | Nethox | ttl_work: yes, you can even name them tom and jerry if you want |
| 15:07.05 | ttl_work | lol |
| 15:07.07 | ttl_work | ok |
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| 15:08.54 | ttl_work | thanks a lot !!! |
| 15:09.10 | ttl_work | Nethox and stew: THANKS! |
| 15:09.38 | Nethox | ttl_work: ;) |
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| 15:09.53 | ttl_work | gonna reboot |
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| 15:11.23 | Tobi | So its a problem with sudoers i think. Because if i delete the authorized_key from the machine where it was okay, i was asked for the root pw too. So the preferences in /etc/sudoers are not correct i think |
| 15:12.09 | Tobi | # User privilege specification |
| 15:12.10 | Tobi | backup localhost=NOPASSWD:/root/backup/* |
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| 15:12.21 | Tobi | that was the entry |
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| 15:14.03 | ttl_work | It works like a charm!!! |
| 15:14.12 | ttl_work | thanks again!! |
| 15:14.18 | margiolas | how I can start kde from console when i am loged in as user? |
| 15:15.09 | Pryon | margiolas: put the command to start kde in ~/.xinitrc and run startx |
| 15:15.09 | loxley_ | margiolas: startx |
| 15:15.45 | margiolas | which command? |
| 15:16.19 | dendrite | margiolas: "startkde" |
| 15:16.29 | margiolas | ok thanks |
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| 15:18.02 | Tobi | stew: is it okay so? backup localhost=NOPASSWD:/root/backup/* |
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| 15:24.06 | ma3x | why do I see blue lines bellow and under my text in the konsole? |
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| 15:25.17 | Kerr | oh em gee! slashdot is down |
| 15:25.21 | Kerr | maybe it got digg'd |
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| 15:26.10 | tam | can anyone tell me the previous version of mailman that sarge was distributing before sep 13? |
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| 15:27.11 | sep | !snapshot |
| 15:27.11 | dpkg | i heard debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
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| 15:27.12 | ma3x | Kerr, hm, sombody has compromised your account |
| 15:27.12 | Nethox | tam: With the package Changelog, p.e. with aptitude |
| 15:27.12 | coach | jetscreamer, still here? |
| 15:27.16 | tam | cheers mendred_ |
| 15:27.17 | sep | tam, besides if it's a upgrade to sarge it's just a security patch not a version upgrade |
| 15:27.44 | mendred_ | cheers tam |
| 15:28.03 | Kerr | ma3x: huh? |
| 15:28.18 | ma3x | Kerr, nothing, was just kidding :p |
| 15:28.36 | coach | somebody here who knows how to install the nvidia-drivers? |
| 15:28.45 | tam | sep: hmm, well crap. mailman is borked for some aparent reason i can't figure out and i thought it was an upgrade but no upgrades have been done according to : http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/mailman/mailman_2.1.5-8sarge3/changelog |
| 15:28.47 | teardrop`afk | coach: what's the problem |
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| 15:29.55 | coach | teardrop, glxinfo says my renderer is mesa glx indirect |
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| 15:30.10 | Kerr | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 15:30.10 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
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| 15:30.17 | knoxy | whal repository most recommended? backports or dotdeb? |
| 15:30.23 | knoxy | *what |
| 15:30.58 | stew | knoxy: backports |
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| 15:31.09 | sep | knoxy, the debian official mirrors. i onlt use backports if i realy realy must. and i never use dotdeb |
| 15:31.23 | aldarsior | how do I log in to a postgresql-8.1 server that I just installed using apt on etch? |
| 15:31.46 | knoxy | stew, hmm.. but backports don't have a php5-pear.. and I need it |
| 15:31.47 | knoxy | :( |
| 15:31.59 | Tobi | stew: is my /etc/sudoers right with: backup localhost=NOPASSWD:/root/backup/* ? |
| 15:32.04 | sep | aldarsior, read /usr/share/doc/[packagename] |
| 15:32.08 | yaarg | aldarsior: switch to the postgres account and then psql template1 |
| 15:32.25 | aldarsior | thanks a bunch |
| 15:32.30 | stew | Tobi: that looks ok to me, if its not working you might try changing localhost to ALL |
| 15:32.40 | knoxy | sep backports don't have a php5-pear.. and I need it |
| 15:32.56 | knoxy | where I get it? |
| 15:33.16 | Tobi | stew: it works but it seems that the script connects per root account and not the backup user |
| 15:33.36 | stew | Tobi: what do you mean by "script connects"? |
| 15:33.49 | stew | Tobi: if you use sudo to run a script, it will be run as root, that is the point |
| 15:34.03 | sep | knoxy, i dont know. i avoid cutting edge. it just creates more work |
| 15:34.47 | stew | knoxy: you can't use php4? |
| 15:34.50 | sep | knoxy, if it's not on backports you can try backporting it yourself. |
| 15:34.50 | Tobi | stew: so it is not possible |
| 15:35.02 | stew | Tobi: what isn't? |
| 15:35.03 | sep | or install the upstream version in /usr/local |
| 15:35.08 | sep | from source |
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| 15:36.20 | Tobi | stew: yes, so there is not more security, because if i deny root login i also cant connect with my backup script and if i connect as normal user i cant tar al the files of the remote machine |
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| 15:36.57 | Tobi | stew: so i need root login at all |
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| 15:37.16 | ufo | how do i set the default alsa audio device? |
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| 15:38.16 | berni_e | hello |
| 15:38.30 | stew | Tobi: no you dont' need root login, yes, you can allow that backup script to tar all the files on the remote machine using sudo |
| 15:38.38 | jetx | i just got a bsod on a camera zomg |
| 15:38.49 | cahoot | ufo: the default 'default' isn't what you want? |
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| 15:39.09 | ufo | i have two sound cards - one of them is one of those onboard beasts which makes a piece of paper look like a quality hardware device |
| 15:39.20 | babyhuey_ | anyone know why im getting the error "scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o: In function `print_arrows':" when i do a make menuconfig??? |
| 15:39.20 | Tobi | stew: and how does this work? |
| 15:39.28 | ufo | and udev picks the onboard one as default (/dev/dsp and primary alsa) |
| 15:39.43 | cahoot | ufo: http://alsa2.opensrc.org/FAQ |
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| 15:40.00 | stew | Tobi: the point is that sudo will let you run the script as a normal user, but using root's priveleges, so that it can see all the files while logged in as the backup user (NOT logged in as root) |
| 15:40.29 | ufo | cahoot, thanks should have found that myself - but isn't there a debian specific setting? |
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| 15:40.52 | cahoot | ufo: not that I've found |
| 15:41.10 | Tobi | stew: i think that is what i need |
| 15:41.29 | ufo | cahoot, then let's just hope this isn't overwritten the next upgrade |
| 15:41.55 | cahoot | ufo: has been left alone on y system for a year |
| 15:42.24 | stew | Tobi: personally, i just let my remote backup machine login as root, knowing that if anyone were able to get read access to my entire filesystem they can get root by some other means anyway |
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| 15:42.54 | ufo | cahoot, is there a systemwide counterpart to ~/.asoundrc? |
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| 15:43.52 | ufo | never mind found it: /etc/asound.conf |
| 15:43.55 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is there a module for 3com 3c905-tx net card in linux 2.4.31 ? |
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| 15:44.36 | cahoot | ufo: /etc/asound.conf |
| 15:44.49 | stew | lord_rob: yes, 3c59x |
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| 15:45.04 | Tobi | stew: okay, you are right but id like to try it |
| 15:45.16 | ma3x | shit. why does this site automatically close my firefox? ( http://www.stupidvideos.com ) |
| 15:45.31 | ma3x | after the loading of all the elements, firefox shuts down |
| 15:45.35 | cahoot | ma3x: nice gesture |
| 15:45.44 | abrotman | ma3x: that's called a crash |
| 15:45.55 | ma3x | cahoot, what gesture? |
| 15:46.10 | ma3x | segmentation fault |
| 15:46.26 | fyrestrtr | ma3x: sounds like a flash problem. |
| 15:46.28 | ufo | thanks cahoot, works great after reloading alsa |
| 15:46.31 | moshii | Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if it's possible to put putty into block input mode so it's more fun typing on this laggy shell? |
| 15:47.06 | ma3x | fyrestrtr, yeah something like that. what can I do about it? |
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| 15:47.24 | ma3x | cahoot, what did you mean with "nice gesture" ? |
| 15:48.20 | ovis | what can be done about the message during startup that i dont have devfs ??? |
| 15:48.30 | stew | ma3x: you can uninstall the flash plugin to keep it from crashing your browser |
| 15:48.36 | fyrestrtr | ma3x: not sure to be honest, try re-installing the flash plugin. |
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| 15:49.11 | ma3x | what's the flash plugin name? |
| 15:49.21 | fyrestrtr | on a related question, how do get the netinstall cd to NOT install any KDE libs? |
| 15:50.04 | giulivo | someone is using debian etch on ppc? |
| 15:50.19 | lord_rob | thanks stew |
| 15:50.27 | fyrestrtr | I choose desktop, and it wants to install KDE and Gnome. When I choose 'manual selection' it already has tons of gnome libs selected. |
| 15:51.25 | fyrestrtr | I mean, a tons of kde libs selected. |
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| 15:52.12 | moshii | fyrestrtr: I'd install just the base system and use aptitude for everything else |
| 15:53.02 | ma3x | where can I see which plugins has firefox loaded on startup? |
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| 15:53.21 | stew | ma3x: about:plugins |
| 15:53.31 | lord_rob | stew: there are two of those cards in this pc. Can the module handle them both (this pc will be a gateway) ? |
| 15:53.47 | stew | lord_rob: yes |
| 15:54.11 | lord_rob | nice, I'll rtfm for the module :) |
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| 15:54.30 | ma3x | stew, I see no such option here |
| 15:54.44 | stew | lord_rob: i don't think there is a fm for the module, /sbin/modinfo 3c59x |
| 15:54.58 | lord_rob | ok |
| 15:55.05 | stew | ma3x: its not an option, its a url, type it into the address bar |
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| 15:55.19 | cydork | ma3x: or you can delete it from ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 15:55.29 | unlink | when i try to resize my ntfs partition from the debian etch beta 3 installer, i get a blue screen with a gray row at the bottom for about 3-4 minutes, and when it returns to the menu, no changes appear in the partition table |
| 15:55.43 | enouf | ma3x: type it into the location bar |
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| 15:56.17 | enouf | ma3x: clear your cache too |
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| 15:57.00 | adamant1988 | hello all. |
| 15:57.10 | ma3x | alright! thanks |
| 15:57.17 | adamant1988 | Does anyone know any good debian related pod casts I can get my hands on? |
| 15:57.33 | enouf | unlink: which version of ms created those ntfs partitions ? |
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| 15:57.51 | unlink | enouf: xp pro sp2 |
| 15:58.00 | moshii | adamant1988: dunno about podcasts, but the debian weekly news is a good read |
| 15:58.34 | adamant1988 | yeah, I was just hoping to find some pod casts so I can listen to them at school, etc. Google has been pretty useless thus far. |
| 15:58.57 | enouf | unlink: well ..se the release notes 'known issues' on the beta3 installer page - not sure why your having issues though |
| 15:59.02 | enouf | see* |
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| 15:59.28 | enouf | you're* |
| 16:00.52 | coach | my nvidia-drivers still don't work...i tried a online script, the two different drivers on nvidias page...everything! but i just get 'failed to initialize nvidia kernel module!'...but lsmod shows me, that nvidia is loaded |
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| 16:01.56 | coach | i kicked dri out of my xorg.conf, added glx and set the driver from nv to nvidia |
| 16:02.11 | giulivo | how can i interact with debhelper? |
| 16:02.31 | unlink | enouf: true |
| 16:02.37 | unlink | enouf: it wasn't created with vista though |
| 16:02.38 | giulivo | who is it's purpose? |
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| 16:02.49 | coach | so, anyone who has got the nerves to help a noob step by step through the driver-installation? |
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| 16:03.04 | tarzeau | coach: tried #nvidia yet? |
| 16:03.15 | tarzeau | coach: sometimes you need to clean up first |
| 16:03.20 | cydork | tarzeau: you scripts dont work?? |
| 16:03.24 | cydork | :) |
| 16:03.27 | tarzeau | coach: like remove the old/bad nvidia.(k)o and unload the module |
| 16:03.31 | tarzeau | cydork: yes it works |
| 16:03.33 | coach | tarzeau: no...w8 |
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| 16:03.44 | tarzeau | cydork: but some people manage to fail in even foolproof scripts |
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| 16:03.51 | coach | ^^ |
| 16:04.10 | tarzeau | cydork: man it's a 10 line script, one should be able to fix it if something goes wrong |
| 16:04.22 | tarzeau | coach: got a 2.6 kernel? with 3 dots in the version number? |
| 16:04.32 | tarzeau | coach: and sid -> linux-source (not kernel-source)? |
| 16:04.37 | coach | ive got 2.6.16-k7^^ |
| 16:04.44 | coach | no, etch |
| 16:04.46 | cydork | tarzeau: i know, you compile it at boot time :) |
| 16:05.01 | tarzeau | cydork: i don't, i just install that piece of crap script and forget it |
| 16:05.04 | christos | guys I have a problem with debian testing on my laptop. the installtion was ok but when I am trying to boot my debin the system hangs because it can't recognise my soundcard what i can do for it? with ubuntu laptop orks but i need debian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:05.06 | coach | and how can i unload the module? |
| 16:05.08 | tarzeau | cydork: and i'm done with the shit. FOREVER |
| 16:05.14 | tarzeau | coach: rmmod |
| 16:05.29 | tarzeau | coach: AND you MUST have an updated update-pciids |
| 16:05.31 | coach | ah^^ |
| 16:05.38 | cydork | tarzeau: you are done ?? huh? |
| 16:05.40 | tarzeau | coach: because if the lspci shit doesn't bring NVIDIA it won't work |
| 16:05.50 | tarzeau | it's NOT my fault that all this shit can go wrong |
| 16:06.01 | cydork | christos: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 16:06.01 | tarzeau | blame linux, blame debian, blame the hardware vendors |
| 16:06.03 | coach | tarzeau: what do u mean with update-pciids? |
| 16:06.18 | tarzeau | coach: there's a check if the script should be run |
| 16:06.19 | stew | christos: what makes you think that soundcard is what's making it hang? |
| 16:06.20 | cahoot | cydork: will that help if he can't boot? |
| 16:06.24 | tarzeau | coach: it relies on strings in lspci |
| 16:06.27 | coach | tarzeau: but your script worked |
| 16:06.32 | coach | but... |
| 16:06.40 | tarzeau | coach: what failed then? you configuring the x config file? |
| 16:06.43 | infernix | does anyone know of any visio-like drawing application on linux that is useful for drawing up *network charts* specifically? |
| 16:06.43 | coach | it didn't make a difference^^ |
| 16:06.44 | tarzeau | coach: xfree or xorg? |
| 16:06.46 | cydork | cahoot: nope i misread that. |
| 16:06.52 | coach | xorg |
| 16:06.55 | tarzeau | the thing is with xorg you must do some manual shit... |
| 16:07.04 | cydork | christos: sarge? |
| 16:07.11 | lord_rob | When I modprobe 3c59x the card is not detected. I see in modinfo 3c59x that there's a workaround for compaq bios (and this is a compaq). With this workaround you need to specify card address manually. How can I know card address ? Does lspci report the good address ? |
| 16:07.26 | coach | tarzeau: i've got no prob with using nano^^ |
| 16:07.27 | tarzeau | coach: like make sure the files are at the right place |
| 16:07.40 | coach | tarzeau: which files? |
| 16:07.44 | cydork | christos: ac97? |
| 16:07.57 | tarzeau | coach: all bunch of files :) |
| 16:07.59 | tarzeau | i don't remember |
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| 16:08.51 | christos | stew:because I saw that the udev can't recognise it and after hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC861 trying auto-probe from Bios" and after the system hangs and repeat the message "azx_get_reponse timeout" and the system hangs i use debian etch on laptop......... |
| 16:09.00 | coach | tarzeau: lol^^...i just had your script in my home folder and run it (added start^^)...no error occured...then i replaced nv with nvidia in my xorgconf |
| 16:09.24 | tarzeau | coach: there's more than that to be edited in xorg.conf |
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| 16:09.41 | coach | i deleted dri from it |
| 16:09.42 | tarzeau | coach: checked your x log file? |
| 16:09.47 | christos | cydork: no, it is a realtech soundcard ALC861 |
| 16:09.50 | coach | not yet, y? |
| 16:09.56 | tarzeau | coach: check it |
| 16:10.00 | coach | i know that he doesnt find my module |
| 16:10.01 | tarzeau | it usually tells what went wrong |
| 16:10.06 | coach | k, w8 |
| 16:10.12 | tarzeau | coach: if you do modprobe nvidia ? |
| 16:10.17 | cahoot | christos: might be the kernel in ubuntu has support for that card (snd-hda-intel?) . Might try disabling the card in bios, boot debian and get a later kernel |
| 16:10.19 | coach | no error |
| 16:10.23 | tarzeau | then check if it's there find /lib -name "nvidia.*" |
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| 16:11.25 | coach | yes, there are three(???)...in different kernel-dirs |
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| 16:11.28 | christos | my laptop is new and the bios doesn't leave to disable sound card.......... |
| 16:11.35 | tarzeau | coach: paste the full path and uname -a |
| 16:11.57 | coach | y uname -a? |
| 16:12.05 | coach | i know which kernel i'm running |
| 16:12.27 | coach | 2.6.16-2-k7^^ |
| 16:12.37 | coach | kk, i will modprobe it with the full path |
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| 16:13.07 | christos | my kernel is2.6.15-23-386 |
| 16:13.27 | tarzeau | coach: you're just not doing what i tell you |
| 16:13.33 | coach | tarzeau: lol? modprobe says he couldn't find the module? |
| 16:13.40 | tarzeau | coach: what did i tell you? |
| 16:13.49 | coach | tarzeau: sry, my enmglish is bad^^ |
| 16:13.57 | tarzeau | coach: can you copy paste? |
| 16:14.07 | coach | tarzeau: i don't know how without x^^ |
| 16:14.15 | tarzeau | do you know gnu screen? |
| 16:14.21 | coach | no? |
| 16:14.27 | tarzeau | coach: apt-get install screen |
| 16:14.33 | tarzeau | coach: then start it with the command screen |
| 16:14.40 | tarzeau | start your irc client , and come back here |
| 16:14.45 | stew | christos: you are using ubuntu? |
| 16:14.48 | coach | k |
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| 16:15.06 | tarzeau | then you press ctrl-a c and do the find again... then ctrl-a [ and ctrl-a ] to copy/paste. ctrl-a a to switch between the two windows |
| 16:15.08 | coach | start? it's running? |
| 16:15.10 | christos | stew:now yes but I don't like it :( |
| 16:15.26 | stew | christos: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 16:15.38 | infernix | christos: what kernel are you booting when you boot into your debian install? |
| 16:15.43 | coach | tarzeau: that's to complicated, i think i better start x again with nv^^ |
| 16:15.47 | cydork | christos: which kernel do you use for etch? |
| 16:15.58 | tarzeau | coach: or can you give me a shell? |
| 16:16.15 | coach | tarzeau: ???wtf? how? |
| 16:16.27 | tarzeau | coach: apt-get install ssh; adduser tarzeau |
| 16:16.42 | coach | adduser without parameters? |
| 16:16.42 | christos | stew: you don't understand me i use ubuntu because i can't load debian the problem is on debian |
| 16:16.53 | tarzeau | coach: no, with parameter tarzeau |
| 16:16.57 | stew | christos: oh, sorry, i misunderstood |
| 16:16.59 | cydork | tarzeau: man should he trust you?? :P |
| 16:17.07 | tarzeau | cydork: of course he shouldn't |
| 16:17.17 | christos | 2.6.16-k7 |
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| 16:17.18 | tarzeau | cydork: but i don't have the nerves anymore. for a 5 minute thing |
| 16:17.35 | coach | tarzeau: yes, but i meant options^^ |
| 16:17.42 | tarzeau | coach: well tarzeau is the option |
| 16:17.44 | christos | cydork:2.6.16-k7 i think........... |
| 16:17.44 | stew | christos: you might try a command line parameter to the kernel like pci=biosirq or one of the other similar opitons |
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| 16:17.59 | stew | christos: if you know which module is being loaded you could try blacklisting it: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 16:18.03 | coach | tarzeau: ...kk |
| 16:18.11 | coach | anything else to do? |
| 16:18.16 | tarzeau | coach: press enter |
| 16:18.36 | coach | tarzeau: don't laugh, i installed some crap to get these f.... drivers running^^ |
| 16:18.47 | coach | tarzeau: your account is created... |
| 16:19.03 | coach | tarzeau: but i need a pw |
| 16:19.03 | christos | stew: how I can do it? the system hangs I can't do anything! |
| 16:19.15 | tarzeau | coach: 1234%z |
| 16:19.25 | cydork | christos: you can chroot it. but you should know the module for that |
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| 16:19.45 | coach | tarzeau: sry, i was in anothe window, so your pw is your nick |
| 16:19.51 | stew | christos: you can try the kernel parameter by editing the kenrel command line in grub (hit e), you can blacklist by booting ubuntu and editing /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 16:19.51 | cydork | christos: you can just mount the drive and edit the blacklist file |
| 16:19.55 | tarzeau | coach: that's a bad idea |
| 16:20.04 | tarzeau | coach: those are brute force tried often |
| 16:20.09 | infernix | christos: try either a) booting in single user mode by adding 'single' after the kernel, b) booting with acpi=off, c) booting with noapic or d) combinations of that. once you have established which module is loaded, blacklist it (type "/msg dpkg blacklist" in here on irc) |
| 16:20.11 | christos | cydork: ok i understood |
| 16:20.12 | stew | christos: but i'm not conviced that the sound driver is really the problem |
| 16:20.13 | coach | tarzeau: i know^^ |
| 16:20.25 | tarzeau | coach: then why do you create a shell with user/password being the same? |
| 16:20.26 | coach | but i will delete the user when finished |
| 16:20.44 | tarzeau | coach: and how can you be sure, nobody else logged in now, to your computer (your ip?) |
| 16:20.45 | christos | cydork: but where is that file? |
| 16:20.51 | coach | tarzeau: my pw is a lil more difficult^^ |
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| 16:21.23 | cydork | christos: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but check what stew said .. |
| 16:21.25 | christos | stew: but i didn't find something else wrong......... |
| 16:21.32 | coach | tarzeau: do i have to start ssh? |
| 16:21.35 | tarzeau | coach: you know a shell can be used for about everything |
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| 16:21.55 | tarzeau | coach: ok, can you run su - tarzeau ? |
| 16:22.06 | tarzeau | coach: and then screen -x |
| 16:22.19 | tarzeau | coach: and using capital letters in the hostname is ugly |
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| 16:23.05 | stew | christos: you might turn on bootlogging and see if anythign gets logged: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 16:23.19 | stew | christos: bootlog is the first thing that is started after udev, so it would tell you if udev is really the problem |
| 16:23.20 | coach | tarzeau: wtf?...i can't even become root? |
| 16:23.26 | stew | christos: what version of udev do you have installed? |
| 16:23.26 | coach | authentication failed? |
| 16:23.45 | tarzeau | coach: what did you run? as root: su - tarzeau ? |
| 16:23.51 | jfletcher | I have a video clip in .bin form, should I mount -t this? |
| 16:23.52 | jfletcher | or.. |
| 16:24.03 | tarzeau | jfletcher: what says file your.bin ? |
| 16:24.04 | christos | stew: how I can turn on bootloging? |
| 16:24.15 | stew | dpkg: tell christos about bootlog |
| 16:24.18 | coach | tarzeau: no, i tried as normal user, but it didn't work, so i tried to become root |
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| 16:24.21 | jfletcher | tarzeau: i don't understand you |
| 16:24.34 | coach | tarzeau: but that failed |
| 16:24.35 | tarzeau | jfletcher: do you have a terminal or shell? |
| 16:24.40 | tarzeau | coach: well become root first |
| 16:24.51 | jfletcher | tarzeau: terminal |
| 16:24.59 | jfletcher | yea |
| 16:25.00 | tarzeau | jfletcher: type: file the.bin |
| 16:25.05 | coach | tarzeau: uuupppsss...my numlock was off^^ |
| 16:25.34 | christos | stew: I have installed the last testing i don't remember the version of udev the problem exists and with olders isos |
| 16:26.26 | coach | tarzeau: 'cannot open terminal' |
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| 16:27.30 | mz_work | is anyone aware of any special issues with the Intel ICH6 sound cards & alsa? alsa sees it just fine but no sound |
| 16:27.45 | jfletcher | tarzeau: command not found |
| 16:27.49 | tarzeau | coach: can you read my /msg ? |
| 16:27.49 | jfletcher | it has no chmod |
| 16:27.49 | coach | 'cannot open your terminal /dev/tty1 please check' |
| 16:27.53 | tarzeau | jfletcher: apt-get install file |
| 16:28.00 | cydork | mz_work: try running alsamixer |
| 16:28.04 | coach | tarzeau: what? |
| 16:28.10 | tarzeau | coach: you must reset my password to something that you know, and don't tell it here |
| 16:28.16 | jfletcher | tarzeau: same |
| 16:28.17 | tarzeau | coach: then login as tarzeau and type screen -x |
| 16:28.25 | tarzeau | coach: so you can see and learn how i fix your stuff |
| 16:28.35 | tarzeau | jfletcher: same what? |
| 16:28.38 | mz_work | cydork: yes alsamixer works fine but no sound - all is unmuted, all volumes are up |
| 16:28.48 | jfletcher | tarzeau: It just says data now |
| 16:28.48 | coach | tarzeau: scrren -x doesnt work...he cannot open tty1 |
| 16:28.56 | jfletcher | if i do file filename.bin |
| 16:28.57 | tarzeau | coach: did you login as tarzeau? |
| 16:29.03 | coach | tarzeau: yes |
| 16:29.13 | tarzeau | coach: it MUST work |
| 16:29.20 | jfletcher | coach: do screen -ls and then screen -r your.screen.id |
| 16:29.22 | tarzeau | coach: did you reset tarzeau's password? |
| 16:29.25 | tarzeau | jfletcher: NO |
| 16:29.29 | tarzeau | jfletcher: he wants -x not -r |
| 16:29.39 | coach | tarzeau: no |
| 16:29.43 | tarzeau | jfletcher: since i'm also attached to the session |
| 16:29.48 | tarzeau | coach: but you can read and unsterstand me? |
| 16:29.56 | tarzeau | 18:28 < tarzeau> coach: you must reset my password to something that you know, and don't tell it here |
| 16:29.59 | tarzeau | 18:28 < tarzeau> coach: then login as tarzeau and type screen -x |
| 16:30.10 | jfletcher | tarzeau: okay, but do you know what to do with this bin file ? |
| 16:30.11 | coach | tarzeau: yes, but i'm not under x...reme,ber? |
| 16:30.11 | tarzeau | jfletcher: is your whatever.bin really a movie? |
| 16:30.21 | tarzeau | jfletcher: not if file says it's data |
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| 16:30.28 | tarzeau | coach: you don't have to be in x |
| 16:30.30 | coach | tarzeau: could that be the reason? |
| 16:30.33 | tarzeau | coach: just open a fucking terminal |
| 16:30.33 | coach | ... |
| 16:30.37 | coach | lol |
| 16:30.38 | tarzeau | coach: ctrl-alt-f5 |
| 16:30.46 | jfletcher | tarzeau: ever heard of movies being in .iso format? :| |
| 16:30.49 | jfletcher | called DVD |
| 16:30.50 | coach | alt-f5 works too^^ |
| 16:30.52 | jfletcher | image |
| 16:30.57 | tarzeau | jfletcher: yes and file knows about them |
| 16:31.10 | tarzeau | coach: good. do it |
| 16:31.20 | coach | k... |
| 16:31.38 | coach | tarzeau: now i was logged in as root an sued to tarzeau |
| 16:32.03 | coach | tarzeau: now i run screen -x |
| 16:32.12 | coach | but he can't open tty5 |
| 16:32.16 | coach | so...? |
| 16:32.21 | tarzeau | coach: i told you to login as root and run "passwd tarzeau" |
| 16:32.29 | tarzeau | coach: then set a GOOD password that you don't tell ANYONE |
| 16:32.31 | ma3x | what's a good quick port scanner? |
| 16:32.34 | tarzeau | coach: keep it in your head, ok? |
| 16:32.46 | coach | k, let me change it |
| 16:32.47 | tarzeau | coach: then logout, and login as tarzeau with that password that only you know |
| 16:32.54 | tarzeau | ma3x: netstat (for localhost) |
| 16:33.04 | tarzeau | lsof is good too |
| 16:33.19 | coach | tarzeau: k, password is changed |
| 16:33.27 | ma3x | tarzeau, for remote ip? |
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| 16:33.40 | tarzeau | ma3x: ssh remoteip netstat |
| 16:33.46 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:33.51 | ma3x | tarzeau, the remote ip is win |
| 16:33.53 | coach | tarzeau: ...ahhh...it works^^ |
| 16:33.53 | tarzeau | linux (or something different) |
| 16:33.57 | tarzeau | ma3x: so what? |
| 16:34.02 | tarzeau | windows has netstat too |
| 16:34.09 | tarzeau | coach: you see me? |
| 16:34.13 | tarzeau | coach: type something |
| 16:34.15 | ma3x | tarzeau, ah forget it. |
| 16:34.19 | tarzeau | ma3x: nmap is good |
| 16:34.24 | ma3x | okay |
| 16:34.55 | ma3x | tarzeau, i'm unable to rdesktop to the remote ip (win). what's the port I should specify for the connection? |
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| 16:35.32 | coach | tarzeau: that's cool^^ |
| 16:35.37 | argonel | why is it every time i upgrade debian my fonts look terrible afterwards? |
| 16:35.41 | tarzeau | coach: indeed |
| 16:35.48 | tarzeau | argonel: which fonts? where? |
| 16:35.49 | jfletcher | tarzeau: it's a DVD/CD image. |
| 16:35.59 | jfletcher | I just dont know the format to mount it with |
| 16:36.00 | argonel | tarzeau: all fonts. in kde. |
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| 16:36.41 | tarzeau | argonel: #debian-kde |
| 16:36.47 | tarzeau | jfletcher: udf? |
| 16:36.50 | enouf | jfletcher: you don't mount .bin files |
| 16:37.20 | jfletcher | enouf: then what should I do? it's an image of a CD/DVD |
| 16:37.23 | ma3x | tarzeau, I get ERROR: connect: Connection refused |
| 16:37.54 | jfletcher | tarzeau: mount -t UDF img.bin /home/mnt don't work |
| 16:38.00 | ma3x | tarzeau, I want to rdesktop connect to my dad's computer |
| 16:38.25 | tarzeau | ma3x: well does an rdp server run there? |
| 16:38.32 | tarzeau | jfletcher: what does it say? |
| 16:38.46 | coach | tarzeau: what are you doing? ou're a lil bit too fast for me^^ |
| 16:38.48 | ma3x | tarzeau, nope, how should he run it? should he install something? |
| 16:38.52 | enouf | jfletcher: use 'cdemu' see http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+CD-IMAGES |
| 16:39.06 | tarzeau | coach: i removed the nvidia* from your actual kernel /lib/modules |
| 16:39.15 | tarzeau | coach: unloaded the driver, and i'm running the nvidia installer again |
| 16:39.24 | tarzeau | coach: after that we fix x config file and start x, done |
| 16:39.29 | enouf | jfletcher: but also see what tarzeau can tell you about it too .. |
| 16:39.46 | coach | tarzeau: how long are you working with linux now? |
| 16:39.46 | tarzeau | coach: can you resize your terminal to be 80x24 |
| 16:39.51 | tarzeau | coach: and then press ctrl-a F |
| 16:39.56 | tarzeau | coach: 1999 |
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| 16:39.58 | jfletcher | tarzeau: it says "maybe use loop -o?" |
| 16:40.04 | tarzeau | jfletcher: do it |
| 16:40.11 | coach | tarzeau: how can i resize a terminal? |
| 16:40.19 | tarzeau | coach: did you see the terminal? |
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| 16:40.26 | tarzeau | coach: don't bother. just read what the screen shows you |
| 16:40.39 | coach | kk....theres an error^^ |
| 16:40.48 | jfletcher | tarzeau: mount -t UDF loop -o file.bin /home/mnt ? |
| 16:41.12 | enouf | jfletcher: if you use loop make sure you have the loop module installed (lsmod | grep loop) - if not modprobe loop |
| 16:42.16 | tarzeau | coach: yes wrong gcc version |
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| 16:42.51 | christos | ftiaxthkes? |
| 16:43.05 | christos | sorry wrong message...... |
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| 16:43.19 | tarzeau | coach: oh well, the connection stopped... |
| 16:43.22 | jfletcher | enouf: whats the package name of cdemu and whats the package name of loop? |
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| 16:43.37 | coach | tarzeau: which? the ssh? |
| 16:43.41 | tarzeau | coach: man you've got a pretty fucked up system, i didn't check if it's etch or sid. certainly it's not stable |
| 16:43.48 | tarzeau | coach: and the german shell is HORRIBLE. yes ssh |
| 16:43.52 | coach | tarzeau: its etch |
| 16:43.56 | enouf | jfletcher: loop is a kernel module - that url will explain about bin/cue and cdemu |
| 16:44.00 | tarzeau | that's bad (if you ask me) |
| 16:44.01 | MatBoy | Damn !! the mdadm bug really crashed my whole system. Data was no problem :) but beware for a reboot :D |
| 16:44.25 | coach | tarzeau: some days ago someone in here told me to upgrade from stable to testing |
| 16:45.00 | tarzeau | coach: you were missing x11proto-core-dev |
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| 16:45.17 | coach | tarzeau: what does that mean to me? |
| 16:45.29 | jfletcher | enouf: is my line of code correct though? mount -t UDF loop -o image.bin /folder/ |
| 16:45.31 | tarzeau | coach: i installed it, so we can fix your nvidia driver |
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| 16:46.25 | jfletcher | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:46.54 | MatBoy | hey enouf :) |
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| 16:47.06 | enouf | jfletcher: not sure - have no .bin to play with |
| 16:47.12 | enouf | MatBoy: whas up |
| 16:47.29 | tarzeau | coach: did the nvidia logo appear? |
| 16:47.40 | coach | no |
| 16:47.41 | jfletcher | enouf: and this cdemu, whats the package name for this? |
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| 16:47.47 | tarzeau | coach: did xdm start? |
| 16:47.53 | coach | let me test if glxgears works |
| 16:47.55 | coach | yes |
| 16:48.12 | tarzeau | coach: login, run xterm, type: brutalchess |
| 16:48.20 | knoxy | how to update all packages backports to dotdeb? |
| 16:48.28 | knoxy | it's possible? |
| 16:48.31 | fasta | I once used a graphical diff program, I think it used QT. It seemed pretty polished. Anyone who knows the name? |
| 16:48.42 | tarzeau | fasta: i know of easydiff.app |
| 16:48.49 | tarzeau | fasta: there exists tkdiff or so |
| 16:48.51 | enouf | jfletcher: make sure the mount point exists - it's likely not in deb repos - read the url I posted - it's your call whether or not you want to install it |
| 16:48.55 | coach | tarzeau: it works! |
| 16:48.56 | MatBoy | enouf, it needs a reinstall :) |
| 16:48.58 | fasta | tarzeau: for Linux, and it are not those |
| 16:49.00 | tarzeau | coach: fast? |
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| 16:49.10 | coach | tarzeau: k, i dunno what you've done, but it worked |
| 16:49.17 | coach | tarzeau: fast enough |
| 16:49.19 | tarzeau | fasta: these that i named, ARE for linux |
| 16:49.29 | tarzeau | coach: you're welcome |
| 16:49.31 | enouf | MatBoy: yay .. \o/ ... get to it :-p |
| 16:49.33 | coach | tarzeau: let me test another game... |
| 16:49.40 | tarzeau | coach: try briquolo |
| 16:49.40 | MatBoy | enouf, busy :) |
| 16:49.43 | coach | tarzeau: where did you learn all that? |
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| 16:49.50 | MatBoy | enouf, it was really buggy... never had it before |
| 16:49.55 | fasta | tarzeau: easydiff.app seemed to imply it was for OSX. |
| 16:49.58 | tarzeau | coach: in bed, from my girlfriend |
| 16:50.03 | illsci | hey why does my initrd always get regenerated when i apt-get -u upgrade? |
| 16:50.07 | enouf | MatBoy: did you add to that bug report ? |
| 16:50.08 | illsci | and where is that setup? |
| 16:50.11 | tarzeau | fasta: it's packaged, from gnustep |
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| 16:50.40 | coach | tarzeau: are u kidding me? |
| 16:50.45 | fasta | tarzeau: kdiff3 |
| 16:50.50 | tarzeau | coach: no way |
| 16:50.52 | fasta | tarzeau: that's it |
| 16:51.15 | tarzeau | coach: as you can see nvidia-driver works perfeclty |
| 16:51.23 | tarzeau | you just had wrong gcc and no x-dev packages |
| 16:51.28 | tarzeau | and a messed up /lib/modules |
| 16:51.31 | MatBoy | enouf, yep, and I tried to use the 2.5.3 version of Unstable... same problem.. so it messed it too much I think... even a reinstall with keeping old data was hanging :S |
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| 16:51.57 | illsci | no one knows why initrd gets automattically regenerated....? |
| 16:52.09 | coach | tarzeau: would you be so nice and tell me what you've done...from the beginning on... |
| 16:52.13 | illsci | or where thats setup.... im asking because it always works on the kernel im not running |
| 16:52.18 | illsci | rather than my custom kernel |
| 16:52.27 | tarzeau | coach: the three things i told you |
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| 16:52.34 | coach | tarzeau: with messed up u mean all the different versions? |
| 16:52.46 | enouf | MatBoy: this time you will set up lvm so it's not the last partition ...right? |
| 16:52.54 | coach | that was because i installed everything i thought it would be helpful^^ |
| 16:53.01 | tarzeau | coach: i don't know, i just had to remove them, so my script wouldn't fail and rebuild it to make sure, it will work |
| 16:53.13 | tarzeau | i don't know how you managed to build them at all without the right header files |
| 16:53.19 | coach | and how did you install gcc4? |
| 16:53.25 | tarzeau | (and really i don't want to find out) |
| 16:53.31 | MatBoy | enouf, nope... all ext3... let's see what happens |
| 16:53.31 | tarzeau | coach: it was installed, run gcc --version |
| 16:53.38 | tarzeau | coach: check ls -la /usr/bin/gcc* |
| 16:53.42 | coach | i tried with synaptic, but the setup said there would still be 4.1 |
| 16:53.48 | tarzeau | coach: nvidia installer log file told you, the kernel was built with 4.0 |
| 16:53.56 | tarzeau | coach: and so must the linux kernel modules |
| 16:53.59 | jfletcher | okay, this install guide just says you need your kernel sources to point at it - I know where my kernel sources are, I don't know what point at it means |
| 16:54.06 | coach | yes, and i installed gcc4 and uninstall 4.1 |
| 16:54.12 | tarzeau | coach: you can have many different gcc versions installed at the same time |
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| 16:54.20 | tarzeau | coach: that was a waste of time |
| 16:54.26 | coach | tarzeau: but how can i tell my pc which to use? |
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| 16:54.37 | enouf | MatBoy: ahh ... no lvm at all hehe ... attaboy MatBoy |
| 16:54.40 | tarzeau | 18:53 < tarzeau> coach: check ls -la /usr/bin/gcc* |
| 16:55.01 | MatBoy | enouf, nope, but mdadm was having seroius problems !! |
| 16:55.05 | tarzeau | or if the software is nice, you can also set CC to whatever you want |
| 16:55.10 | tarzeau | but most of the time it's not |
| 16:55.16 | coach | ahh...gcc is a link to the version? |
| 16:55.21 | tarzeau | coach: yes |
| 16:55.28 | coach | ahh... |
| 16:55.37 | tarzeau | coach: are you german? |
| 16:55.58 | coach | so i just had to correct the link and install the dev-pakets? |
| 16:56.02 | coach | tarzeau: yes, sry^^ |
| 16:56.06 | tarzeau | coach: yes more or less |
| 16:56.21 | tarzeau | coach: i've installed the nvidia-driver to /etc/init.d/ |
| 16:56.30 | coach | why init.d? |
| 16:56.33 | sprink | Has there been a code name decided already for the next testing after etch? |
| 16:56.40 | coach | whats in init.d? |
| 16:56.40 | tarzeau | coach: so when you upgrade your kernel, it'll just rebuild it ... (well it won't if nvidia releases a new driver version) |
| 16:56.48 | tarzeau | coach: like autoexec.bat |
| 16:56.50 | tarzeau | but for linux |
| 16:57.05 | coach | tarzeau: kewl |
| 16:57.23 | coach | so, tarzeau i have to say goodbye... |
| 16:57.29 | tarzeau | coach: bye and have fun |
| 16:57.29 | coach | i have to play a lil bit^^ |
| 16:57.36 | coach | thx again for your help |
| 16:57.41 | coach | and for your nerves^^ |
| 16:57.46 | coach | cya@all |
| 16:57.49 | tarzeau | you can send me cookies |
| 16:57.58 | cydork | !cookie tarzeau |
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| 16:58.06 | enouf | jfletcher: likely defined in the ./configure file point it to the kernel source location (look through the configure file options to set it) |
| 16:58.42 | jfletcher | enouf: there is no ./configure :| |
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| 16:59.44 | illsci | hey i have another question too |
| 16:59.57 | illsci | how do i stop apt from upgrading and installing debian kernels |
| 17:00.07 | illsci | i dont use them... can I just blacklist it somehow..? |
| 17:00.11 | streuner | heh |
| 17:00.25 | illsci | i just went through the apt howto and I didnt see any info in there |
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| 17:00.38 | streuner | in debian kernel wouldn't upgraded |
| 17:00.49 | illsci | ? |
| 17:01.01 | streuner | only if you tell apt that explicit |
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| 17:01.40 | jfletcher | you need the source of your current running kernel./lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include needs to point at it |
| 17:01.44 | jfletcher | so I did: |
| 17:01.59 | illsci | there isnt a flat file i can edit? |
| 17:02.04 | illsci | there has to be... |
| 17:02.25 | enouf | jfletcher: hold a sec while i check something |
| 17:02.27 | jfletcher | ls -s /lib/etc/etc/build/include |
| 17:02.31 | jfletcher | and then did make |
| 17:02.41 | jfletcher | but just says "you need sources for you kernel" |
| 17:02.48 | jfletcher | and yes, I have 2.6.16 |
| 17:03.41 | stew | jfletcher: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:03.59 | jfletcher | 2.6.16-2-486 |
| 17:04.02 | jfletcher | ;| |
| 17:04.32 | stew | jfletcher: do you have the linux-headers-2.6.16-2-486 installed? |
| 17:04.43 | jfletcher | cmd? |
| 17:04.58 | infernix | export COLUMNS=200; dpkg -l | grep linux-headers |
| 17:05.20 | stew | jfletcher: what does "apt-cache policy linux-headers-2.6.16-2-486" say for Installed:? |
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| 17:05.53 | jfletcher | just says packaged files: then gives a long list |
| 17:05.59 | jfletcher | then pinned files: and there's none there |
| 17:06.10 | stew | jfletcher: what does it say after "Installed:" |
| 17:06.34 | jfletcher | none |
| 17:06.54 | stew | jfletcher: aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.16-2-486 |
| 17:07.16 | jfletcher | k |
| 17:07.59 | argonel | tarzeau: there is no help to be had in #debian-kde |
| 17:08.19 | tarzeau | !they don't know |
| 17:08.19 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 17:08.31 | tarzeau | ok that was a bit harsh |
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| 17:08.38 | tarzeau | but i don't use/know kde |
| 17:08.48 | tarzeau | i just know i don't like it for several reasons |
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| 17:09.09 | jfletcher | stew: okay, installed, they says that under installed: now |
| 17:09.09 | tarzeau | and no help to be had for my kde issues too |
| 17:09.14 | jfletcher | but the make command still doesn't run |
| 17:09.24 | stew | jfletcher: what are you trying to build? |
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| 17:09.35 | jfletcher | stew: cdemu |
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| 17:10.14 | stew | jfletcher: please make sure the /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-486/build symlink is now pointing to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2-486 |
| 17:10.15 | enouf | stew see http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/ - he was trying to mount a .bin file to watch a movie within |
| 17:10.55 | jfletcher | stew: I did ln -s /path/to/kernel/kernel/ /path/again/build/include |
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| 17:11.44 | hl | if my /var/lib/dpkg/status is damaged, what should i to repair it? |
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| 17:12.16 | fasta | For what purpose do I have Exim-4 running? I only make use of IMAP/POP3 and webmail. |
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| 17:12.33 | tuv | fasta, local mail? |
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| 17:12.42 | Ono | i need change root language |
| 17:12.50 | Ono | i login root and |
| 17:12.55 | Ono | export LANGUAGE=en_US |
| 17:13.09 | Ono | its working but after logout |
| 17:13.14 | fasta | tuv: I almost never use that feature, as it doesn't integrate with my other mail. |
| 17:13.25 | knoxy | how to update all packages backports to dotdeb? |
| 17:13.28 | knoxy | it's possible? |
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| 17:13.40 | tuv | fasta, it lets you know what's happening on your system |
| 17:13.42 | fasta | tuv: but some packages indeed use local mail to communicate some stuff to the administrator. |
| 17:13.43 | hl | if my /var/lib/dpkg/status is damaged, what should i to repair it? |
| 17:14.25 | infernix | Ono: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:14.34 | Ono | infernix, i try |
| 17:14.39 | Ono | i select default en_US |
| 17:14.45 | Ono | but its not work |
| 17:15.07 | infernix | ono: are you sure you both selected it for generating *and* default? |
| 17:15.22 | Ono | yes i am sure |
| 17:15.22 | fasta | tuv: ok, and what about sunrpc? |
| 17:15.26 | Ono | i selecet 4 language |
| 17:15.39 | Ono | en_US en_US.UTF-8 tr_TR tr_TR.UTF-8 |
| 17:15.44 | Ono | but default tr_TR |
| 17:15.48 | Ono | i dont change |
| 17:15.49 | tuv | fasta, mostly for nfs. not sure if any other service use it |
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| 17:15.57 | cusco | Ono: if its only for root... you can put that export command in .bashrc |
| 17:15.59 | cusco | :p |
| 17:16.33 | Ono | ok i try |
| 17:17.06 | argonel | tarzeau: looks like its not a kde problem, anyway. x has the wrong dpi |
| 17:17.58 | Ono | cusco, its work only bash |
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| 17:18.03 | Ono | i need all programs english |
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| 17:18.47 | cusco | Ono: when you login in bash, all the commands in .bashrc are ran |
| 17:19.09 | cusco | meaning if export LANGUAGE=en_US works until you logout |
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| 17:19.18 | cusco | it will allways work whenever you login |
| 17:19.26 | cusco | but I don't understand exactly what you want? |
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| 17:19.46 | Ono | hmm ok i reboot computer :) |
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| 17:21.33 | fluxdude | how do I find the ip of a wireless router on the lan, I don't know what it's ip address/subnet is so I don't know how to even ping sweep for it, any ideas? |
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| 17:22.19 | yaarg | are you connected to it? |
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| 17:22.44 | jfletcher | er, just so you know, Mplayer plays .bin |
| 17:22.56 | fluxdude | there is an ethernet cable between it and a laptop, but I don't know what ip range it lives in to configure my client to the same |
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| 17:23.05 | cusco | jfletcher: so you know mplayer plays anything without looking to the file extension :P |
| 17:23.25 | cusco | fluxdude: so the laptop is connectet trough a cable |
| 17:23.35 | cusco | just type netstat -r |
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| 17:23.54 | jfletcher | cusco: i mean it has support for it, for movies in .bin format |
| 17:24.10 | cusco | what is .bin format? |
| 17:24.20 | cusco | :/ |
| 17:24.27 | Ono | cusco, it is ok from bash |
| 17:24.31 | fluxdude | cusco: yes but I can't ping it |
| 17:24.41 | Ono | but its not ok from gnome :) |
| 17:24.56 | cusco | Ono: there is also a file .xsession |
| 17:24.57 | fyrestrtr | how would you know if you had found it anyway? |
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| 17:25.06 | cydork | fluxdude: doesn't it have dhcp? |
| 17:25.10 | cusco | Ono: sorry I don't know abbout gnome.. |
| 17:25.20 | Ono | ok thank tou |
| 17:25.21 | Ono | yo |
| 17:25.22 | Ono | u |
| 17:25.23 | Ono | :) |
| 17:25.28 | cusco | anyway why do you login in gnome as root? I supose there is no need for it |
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| 17:25.40 | Trewas | cusco: cue/bin, a cd-image format that can handle many tracks on the cd and so on... in the case of (s)vcd the .bin is pretty trivial for players to support, it only has some crud in the front of actual mpeg-data |
| 17:25.42 | Ono | no i dont login root |
| 17:25.47 | Ono | only root tools |
| 17:25.49 | Ono | language |
| 17:25.56 | Ono | turkish |
| 17:26.02 | cusco | Trewas: I see |
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| 17:26.16 | fluxdude | cydork: I think that is switched off |
| 17:26.21 | cusco | Ono: :| I see... I don't know :( |
| 17:26.32 | Ono | ok thanks |
| 17:26.37 | fyrestrtr | does anyone know if there is a known fix for this? eth1: NETDEV_TX_BUSY returned; driver should report queue full via ieee_device->is_queue_full. for the ipw2200 driver? |
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| 17:27.31 | cydork | fluxdude: most of the routers try to pingsweep 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 17:27.41 | cusco | fluxdude: so the laptop is not connected to the internet? |
| 17:27.50 | cydork | fluxdude: try to pingsweep 192.168.1.0/24 |
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| 17:28.10 | b00st | hi, howto install from debian-31r3-i386-netinst.iso ? have searched but cant find anything |
| 17:28.23 | cydork | !tell b00st about ig |
| 17:28.24 | fyrestrtr | default for linksys is 192.168.1.0/24, for dlink, I believe its 10.10.1.0 |
| 17:28.38 | iLLf8d | !tell iLLf8d about ig |
| 17:28.38 | cusco | b00st: you must burn the iso to a cd... then reboot your computer and load from that same cd |
| 17:28.49 | b00st | have done it |
| 17:28.50 | iLLf8d | oh heh |
| 17:29.01 | cydork | fluxdude: try to pingsweep both |
| 17:29.03 | cusco | b00st: so ... whats the problem? |
| 17:29.08 | b00st | but it ask for the cd after i have put it in ^^ |
| 17:29.24 | cusco | b00st: do you get a debian screen after rebooting? |
| 17:29.29 | b00st | mm |
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| 17:29.39 | b00st | i get the install gui |
| 17:29.52 | cusco | check if you can boot for a bootable cd, for instance try to check the boot order of your bios settings |
| 17:29.54 | fluxdude | cydork: is pingsweep a command? I don't know what range it is even on, I thought 192.168.17.1 but it seems not |
| 17:29.54 | MatBoy | What package was in kde for the powerbuttons in the logoff screen ? |
| 17:30.00 | cusco | install gui? |
| 17:30.10 | iLLf8d | sounds like his sources might not be working cause of a nic problem |
| 17:30.15 | cydork | fluxdude: try to nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 17:30.19 | fluxdude | cusco: no it;s not connected to inet |
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| 17:30.32 | b00st | yes, hehe. the original install... |
| 17:30.42 | fluxdude | cydork: that's what I know, I thought maybe you knew another way... |
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| 17:30.49 | cusco | then the ping won't do nothing |
| 17:31.05 | cusco | fluxdude: there would be another way,m if you were connected, like ping -b 192.168.1.255 |
| 17:31.15 | stew | jfletcher: make sure the /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-486/build symlink is now pointing to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2-486 it shouldn't be pointing anywhere eles |
| 17:31.17 | MatBoy | does someone have the poweroff button in KDE ? |
| 17:31.22 | iLLf8d | b00st, once you boot from the installer it should use sources off the network or internet (ergo the netinst) dunno why its asking you for the iso thats kinda wierd |
| 17:31.30 | cusco | fluxdude: what happens when you type as root: dhclient eth0 |
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| 17:33.32 | b00st | iLLf8d: hmm, strange... I just see the original install main menu |
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| 17:33.43 | andrew_p | hello |
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| 17:35.21 | b00st | iLLf8d: i can execute shell but ifconfig wont answer |
| 17:35.29 | andrew_p | anybody had troubles with firefox and thunderbird recently? as for me, they have both "lost" their profiles and thunderbird refuses to see all my mailboxes and messages even if I copy them to a directory of newly created profile |
| 17:35.34 | andrew_p | weird |
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| 17:36.19 | argonel | do i need to look out for anything special when migrating an etch box from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel? |
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| 17:37.19 | stew | argonel: make sure you use initramfs-tools and not yaird to generate the initrd. if you boot from SATA, device names may change from /dev/hdX to /dev/sdX |
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| 17:39.44 | argonel | stew: i must generate the initrd? |
| 17:41.03 | stew | argonel: no, debconf will when you install the package |
| 17:41.10 | stew | argonel: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 17:41.17 | fluxdude | cusco: there is a dhcp server, it's given me .2.27 and it's at .2.1 according to nmap ping sweep. |
| 17:41.18 | b00st | _Any ideas about how to install debian fast and easy? |
| 17:41.30 | argonel | stew: ahh, was hoping dpkg would have some hints. thanks :) |
| 17:41.36 | b00st | netinstall wont work |
| 17:41.46 | stew | b00st: why wont it work? |
| 17:41.53 | cusco | fluxdude: cool then |
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| 17:42.04 | cusco | fluxdude: now that you're connected, netstat -r |
| 17:42.12 | cusco | the gateway ip is your router's ip |
| 17:43.52 | b00st | stew: it doesnt start to install or ask about installing from network.. |
| 17:44.06 | Ronin | b00st: errors or messages? |
| 17:44.16 | stew | b00st: have you tried the 2.6 kernel? or only the (default) 2.4 kernel? |
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| 17:45.01 | b00st | Ive tried debian-31r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:45.15 | Ronin | b00st: what about what stew asked? |
| 17:45.34 | stew | b00st: i'd recommend you try the 2.6 kernel which is on that cd if you haven't already, hit f1 at the boot: prompt for more info |
| 17:45.59 | b00st | i dont know whats different with 2.6 or 2.4 or how to check it :( |
| 17:46.11 | Ronin | b00st: just do what stew just suggested |
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| 17:46.21 | b00st | yes, |
| 17:46.45 | stew | b00st: 2.4 and 2.6 refer to the kernel versions used by the installer. the default 2.4 kernel is older and sometimes has problems with newer hardware |
| 17:46.53 | jonaskoelker | Hi. I want to install debian on my girlfriend's amd64 box. Should I follow the ia64 installation guidelines? |
| 17:47.06 | stew | jfletcher: no, follow the amd64 guidelines |
| 17:47.12 | stew | jonaskoelker: ^^ |
| 17:47.30 | b00st | stew: it doesnt stand 2.4 or 2.6 in F1 at start up? |
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| 17:47.49 | jonaskoelker | stew: Text not found: "amd" |
| 17:47.57 | stew | jonaskoelker: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:48.06 | Ronin | stew: its still linux26 to type? |
| 17:48.07 | stew | jonaskoelker: where are you searching for this text? |
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| 17:48.14 | jonaskoelker | stew: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 17:48.18 | stew | b00st: type "linux26" at the boot: prompt |
| 17:48.37 | stew | jonaskoelker: amd64 was not officially released for stable, /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 17:49.07 | stew | dpkg: amd64 is also a netinst for amd64 on stable can be found here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/debian-31r3-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 17:49.08 | dpkg | that's too long, stew |
| 17:49.13 | stew | jonaskoelker: ^^^ |
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| 17:49.23 | stew | currently the amd64 page has broken links |
| 17:49.44 | jonaskoelker | aha. I'll be installing for an i386 :) |
| 17:49.50 | argonel | stew: i'm moving from a k7 to an athlon64.. i don't see matching kernel in etch. should i build one and choose athlon 64 as the processor type? |
| 17:50.04 | stew | argonel: you should reinstall with an amd64 installer |
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| 17:50.33 | argonel | stew: i don't particularly want to move to the 64bit distro |
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| 17:50.53 | stew | argonel: then either use the k7 kernel or compile your own amd64 kernel |
| 17:50.54 | b00st | I get this problem after loading... Non-Debiam CD-ROM Detected. The CD-ROM drive contains a non-Debian CD. :/ I have the cd in the cdrom |
| 17:50.54 | jonaskoelker | second thing: the dhcp example (4.6.2 setting up a network boot install thing) refers to tftpboot.img, but that's not in the debian archive under "where do I download files" |
| 17:51.13 | jonaskoelker | (the latter actually being 4.2.1 "Where to find installation images") |
| 17:51.20 | enouf | well .. that's the last time I ever use aptitude ... Installing linux-headers for my kernel removed over 130 pkgs ... Unused it said ... uh huh ..right - bulldoggy |
| 17:51.21 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:51.21 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:51.57 | jonaskoelker | and I don't know shit about pxe/tftp/bootp/bbq |
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| 17:53.19 | jonaskoelker | hm... so, I guess I should ask a smart question: my /var/lib/tftpboot/pxelinux.0 is in place (debian-archive-link-from-manual/netboot/pxelinux.0), but when I try and boot my girlfriend's box, it says something to the effect of "linux boot image not found". |
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| 17:54.01 | jonaskoelker | and debian-archive-link-from-manual is http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/ |
| 17:54.09 | argonel | stew: i've read that using a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit installation can cause problems.. but no clear indication as to whether choosing athlon64 will cause that. does it? |
| 17:54.25 | jonaskoelker | ... now, how should I set up my box such that my girlfriend can boot from it via the notwork? |
| 17:54.45 | stew | argonel: i'm not aware of problems running a 32 bit installation with a 64 bit kernel |
| 17:55.04 | b00st | stew: I get this problem after loading... Non-Debiam CD-ROM Detected. The CD-ROM drive contains a non-Debian CD. :/ I have the cd in the cdrom |
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| 17:56.11 | argonel | stew: well, ok. but do i end up with a 64bit kernel by choosing the athlon64 here? |
| 17:56.12 | stew | b00st: i've never seen that error before, sorry, maybe it was a bad burn? |
| 17:56.34 | stew | argonel: choosing it where? |
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| 17:56.53 | argonel | stew: kernel config, "processor type and features" |
| 17:57.09 | stew | argonel: i don't think your 32 bit gcc can compile a 64 bit kernel |
| 17:57.21 | johaBBa | how do i get a module to autoload on boot? |
| 17:57.25 | argonel | stew: oh, good point. :) |
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| 17:57.32 | yassinework | hi everyone |
| 17:57.39 | usn | hi folx |
| 17:57.57 | yassinework | is there a way i can set my env to complete my command from the history ? |
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| 17:58.35 | stew | yassinework: if you are using bash, hit ctrl-r and start typing a previous command |
| 18:00.19 | yassinework | stew, thanks that seem to be new for me im used to other distros where you use the pageup and down to do the job |
| 18:00.25 | fluxdude | cusco: dang, I rebooted thinking it was ok, now that I try again I get no dhcp offer and setting my ip to .2.254 and then trying to ping .2.1 doesn't work, nor does a ping sweep find anything on .2.0/24!!! |
| 18:00.30 | fluxdude | wtf is going on. |
| 18:01.28 | fluxdude | now I've using bash to automate changing ip and sweeping every subnet, found .1.1 which is a 3com whereas I'm looking for a belkin! this is an ethernet cable into the router/bridge. how the f is it finding anything else! |
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| 18:04.01 | christos | has anyone try an open bios? |
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| 18:04.47 | swuing | whats in there? |
| 18:04.48 | asodel | i have an amd64. what packages should i get? amd64 or x86? |
| 18:04.53 | pipeline | christos: Hell no. Do I look crazy? |
| 18:04.59 | pipeline | asodel: You probably want to use i386. |
| 18:05.12 | asodel | pipeline: will both work? |
| 18:05.13 | pipeline | asodel: Unless you have >4G of RAM or a very specific need, there's no use for amd64. |
| 18:05.37 | ma3x | why do I see blue frames when I type something in the Konsole? |
| 18:05.37 | pipeline | asodel: At the moment, you have to choose between i386 or amd64. It's technically possible to run i386 apps on an amd64 kernel, but that's not supported by debian yet. |
| 18:05.42 | asodel | pipeline: is amd64 an optimized build for my processor? |
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| 18:06.04 | pipeline | asodel: That's too stupid a question for me to answer it. |
| 18:06.18 | b00st | yo, can i use binary-1.iso for installation? |
| 18:06.44 | pipeline | b00st: Yes. Easier to use the "netinst" disc, though. (Despite the hname, it doesn't require the net to install.) |
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| 18:06.52 | stew | b00st: yes |
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| 18:08.04 | b00st | pipeline, i know its easier but i just problem with it so i try a other way :-) |
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| 18:11.27 | comfrey | hey all... |
| 18:11.37 | comfrey | my hw clock is set to local time. |
| 18:11.47 | comfrey | my sw clock is off. |
| 18:11.57 | stew | comfrey: toggle the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS |
| 18:11.59 | comfrey | i edited /etc/default/rc5 to say UTC=no |
| 18:12.07 | stew | he's ahead of me :) |
| 18:12.14 | comfrey | yeah, it still is not doing it... sid this is |
| 18:12.21 | stew | comfrey: run tzconfig? |
| 18:12.56 | comfrey | wtf... |
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| 18:13.03 | comfrey | oh... |
| 18:13.05 | simonrvn | stew: innit that nice, eh? someone comes in they've already done half the job |
| 18:13.15 | comfrey | it is still off. |
| 18:13.17 | simonrvn | comfrey: :) |
| 18:13.22 | stew | simonrvn: :) |
| 18:13.44 | comfrey | i do try to not rely on you nice irc folk too much ;) |
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| 18:14.06 | simonrvn | independent thinking is a good thing ;) |
| 18:14.19 | comfrey | on irc? go figure ;) |
| 18:14.34 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 18:15.44 | comfrey | so there seems to be an issue with the rtc. |
| 18:15.58 | comfrey | ovo:~# hwclock |
| 18:15.59 | comfrey | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 18:16.16 | comfrey | --directisa shows the right time |
| 18:16.30 | comfrey | ovo:~# hwclock --directisa |
| 18:16.30 | comfrey | Wed Sep 13 04:16:24 2006 -0.713581 seconds |
| 18:16.33 | simonrvn | 'modprobe genrtc'? |
| 18:16.39 | comfrey | not the right time actually |
| 18:16.56 | comfrey | FATAL: Error inserting genrtc (/lib/modules/2.6.17-1-vserver-686/kernel/drivers/char/genrtc.ko): Device or resource busy |
| 18:17.06 | simonrvn | after i've set the correct time, i always run hwclock --systohc |
| 18:17.17 | simonrvn | ah, something else is taking the resource |
| 18:17.31 | simonrvn | probably some other rtc driver ;) |
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| 18:17.37 | moshii | comfrey: maybe it has to do with running a verserv kernel.. |
| 18:17.44 | moshii | comfrey: vserver |
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| 18:17.53 | comfrey | yeah, there is an update. i should reboot to it |
| 18:18.00 | comfrey | good idear |
| 18:18.08 | comfrey | thanks, 'll be back |
| 18:18.24 | moshii | comfrey: is the machine you're doing this in the real machine or a hosted on? |
| 18:18.33 | moshii | *one |
| 18:18.37 | comfrey | it is the vserver host |
| 18:18.43 | comfrey | so a real machine. |
| 18:18.58 | comfrey | i just do dev work in vservers and operate from the host. |
| 18:19.07 | simonrvn | neat |
| 18:19.21 | ma3x | is there a command or button in firefox to clear all cookies, history, cache at once? |
| 18:19.32 | simonrvn | see the prefs |
| 18:19.54 | simonrvn | recent versions will |
| 18:19.58 | eide | ma3x: in new versions there is an option "remove all private data" or similar |
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| 18:20.43 | fujiha | Hi, do I need something to use 'pipes' under chroot? |
| 18:20.52 | simonrvn | no |
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| 18:21.31 | section31 | how do i kill all apache processes |
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| 18:21.49 | sep | section31, cant you just stop it normaly ? |
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| 18:21.59 | section31 | i stoopped it |
| 18:22.03 | section31 | and i still have processes |
| 18:22.06 | ma3x | eide, simonrvn thanks |
| 18:22.15 | sep | section31, with /etc/init.d/apache stop ? |
| 18:22.16 | moshii | section31: ps auwx | grep apache |
| 18:22.17 | fujiha | simonrvn: Can I use it by default? Do I need to install bash??? |
| 18:22.28 | moshii | section31: and then kill them .. |
| 18:22.37 | simonrvn | bash is already there, i'm sure of it |
| 18:22.39 | sep | section31, i _think_ that requests in progress will be finished before the ps die |
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| 18:22.53 | simonrvn | i think so too (IME) |
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| 18:23.29 | simonrvn | fujiha: your shell wouldn't do much to change that |
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| 18:24.08 | fujiha | simonrvn: okey, thanks |
| 18:24.12 | jelly | section31: you can use killall or pkill to kill named processes. for example: pkill apache |
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| 18:27.46 | simonrvn | jelly: o/~ "you must be jelly 'cause jam don't shake like that" o/~ |
| 18:28.43 | Alexismoy | php5 doesn't exist for debian stable? |
| 18:28.56 | simonrvn | backports.org |
| 18:29.07 | Alexismoy | ok |
| 18:29.08 | Alexismoy | thx |
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| 18:29.30 | simonrvn | jelly: i was just told that's an old pre-rock and roll song's lyrics |
| 18:29.37 | jelly | simonrvn: well, if I must! |
| 18:30.41 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 18:34.01 | cusco | !nickometer Ox0F0-0FF |
| 18:34.02 | dpkg | 'Ox0F0-0FF' is 99.390% lame, cusco |
| 18:34.06 | cusco | lol |
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| 18:34.31 | jelly | !lose cusco |
| 18:34.32 | dpkg | cusco: You Lose. |
| 18:34.42 | cusco | ok |
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| 18:34.46 | cusco | I lose |
| 18:35.31 | simonrvn | i'm rather amazed it's this quiet, this time of day in here |
| 18:36.49 | orzel | hello. I'm quite new to debian. is there a way to do a 'apt-get upgrade' but only for one or few packages ? |
| 18:37.09 | sep | orzel, apt-get install package |
| 18:37.14 | sep | will upgrade package in question |
| 18:37.39 | simonrvn | and you can specify more than one |
| 18:37.53 | simonrvn | (some people might not realise that) |
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| 18:38.56 | ofer0 | orzel, if you are planning to upgrade specific packages, make sure you read debian-security mailing list in order to run a secure debian system. |
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| 18:39.13 | luke-jr_work | how can I totally remove a package, including its configs? |
| 18:39.26 | ofer0 | luke-jr_, aptitude purge <PKG> |
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| 18:40.18 | simonrvn | dpkg -P foo; apt-get --purge remove foo; aptitude purge foo |
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| 18:40.31 | A310 | hello all |
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| 18:40.34 | orzel | ofer0: i certainly dont have the time to read yet another mailing list! |
| 18:40.46 | simonrvn | it's low traffic, and very short |
| 18:40.48 | orzel | simonrvn: ok, thx! |
| 18:40.52 | simonrvn | and very much worht it |
| 18:40.56 | simonrvn | worth* |
| 18:41.01 | orzel | simonrvn: i will consider that then. |
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| 18:41.15 | A310 | I am not able to write to /tmp/ from my non root user, how do i give it (my normla user) permissions to be able to? |
| 18:41.26 | moshii | isn't there a script or something that'll audit the packages you have installed? |
| 18:41.45 | cusco | A310: chmod a+w /tmp/ |
| 18:41.46 | simonrvn | A310: ls -ld /tmp and paste output here |
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| 18:41.48 | tuv | moshii, /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 18:42.04 | ofer0 | moshii, dpkg -l | grep ii |
| 18:42.08 | moshii | tuv: I mean against the security list |
| 18:42.12 | ofer0 | oh |
| 18:42.18 | orzel | when reading "man apt-get" i see a really useful option "-V" which i just love. Now it's said "APT::Get::Show-Versions" so i tried to add that to a (new) file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d. For sure apt-get reads this file (first complained about missing ;) but now it doesn't complain anymore, but doesn't use the option neither |
| 18:42.27 | moshii | save reading about packages I don't have ;) |
| 18:42.29 | orzel | i tried adding =1, but that doesn't solve the pb. |
| 18:42.54 | simonrvn | apt-show-versions or such does it |
| 18:43.06 | orzel | A310: check that /tmp is drwxrwxrwt (with ls -ld) |
| 18:43.10 | simonrvn | yeh that ^^ |
| 18:43.39 | A310 | simonrvn, drwr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 date.time /tmp |
| 18:43.53 | simonrvn | A310: chmod 1777 /tmp will fix it |
| 18:43.57 | tuv | orzel, what does the t mean? |
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| 18:44.12 | fas3r_ | i have a bi-cpu it's not necessary i take special kernel if i want recomil it ? |
| 18:44.19 | fas3r_ | recompil it ?* |
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| 18:44.27 | simonrvn | fas3r_: just have SMP support built in |
| 18:44.39 | simonrvn | 'recompile' :) |
| 18:44.41 | A310 | ah cusco had it, ty ty |
| 18:44.56 | fas3r_ | simonrvn, yes recompile .. ;) |
| 18:44.59 | orzel | means that file created by someone can only be deleted by this very one i think. (as the dir is w, everybody could remove files for others) |
| 18:45.09 | A310 | herm, no permissions changed but still denied |
| 18:45.15 | A310 | ;s |
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| 18:45.29 | orzel | tuv: When the sticky bit is set on a directory, files in that directory may be unlinked or renamed only by root or their owner. Without the sticky bit, anyone able to write to the directory can delete or rename files. The sticky bit is commonly found on directories, such as /tmp, that are world-writable. |
| 18:45.42 | orzel | tuv ; look for STICKY DIRECTORIES in 'man chmod' |
| 18:45.51 | A310 | after cusco's command (as root) ls -ld is drwxrwxrwx |
| 18:46.06 | simonrvn | info chmod; means that it's sticky, and the user creating a file there will be the only one able to modify (includes rm) it |
| 18:46.07 | tuv | orzel, thankws |
| 18:46.10 | tuv | thanks* |
| 18:46.18 | orzel | simonrvn: apt-show-versions ? where do i use that ? is it a special software ? |
| 18:46.32 | fas3r_ | simonrvn, just i need to activate SMP in the new kernel option it's that ;) ? |
| 18:46.38 | simonrvn | A310: should be 1777 drwxrwxrwt |
| 18:46.45 | simonrvn | fas3r_: yes |
| 18:46.45 | tuv | orzel, install it |
| 18:46.56 | fas3r_ | simonrvn, erf ... so easy ^^ |
| 18:46.57 | simonrvn | orzel: install it |
| 18:47.10 | orzel | ah :) |
| 18:47.15 | simonrvn | apt-show-versions is the package name |
| 18:47.33 | A310 | simonrvn, drwxrwxrwx 9 root root, is it the 9 or the root root? |
| 18:47.34 | orzel | simonrvn: so this is a software, not an option to put in some file, ok. |
| 18:47.50 | orzel | you still miss the 't' |
| 18:47.56 | simonrvn | A310: do the command i showed you, it'll fix it |
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| 18:48.37 | orzel | simonrvn: still, i would like to know how to use the APT::Get::Show-Versions. i'm sure there's something to do with /etc/apt/* |
| 18:49.24 | simonrvn | yeh, can't remember what file; see man apt-get i suppose, look for setting options or something like that |
| 18:49.25 | A310 | simonrvn, info chmod ? |
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| 18:49.42 | orzel | A310: info is a command like man |
| 18:49.54 | infernix | man info && info man |
| 18:50.01 | orzel | lol :) |
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| 18:50.08 | Sven | hi :) |
| 18:50.12 | A310 | orzel i know that, thats why im asking, if that not what he ment, i missed it |
| 18:50.26 | simonrvn | man apt.conf |
| 18:50.30 | A310 | infernix, even <I> am not that ignorant |
| 18:50.30 | infernix | <simonrvn> A310: chmod 1777 /tmp will fix it |
| 18:50.48 | infernix | he's right, y'know. |
| 18:50.52 | orzel | simonrvn: apt-show-versions is not what i want!! I want the option '-V' to be always set in 'apt-get' |
| 18:50.59 | A310 | infernix, ah ty ty, it passed my buffer so i missed it, my bad |
| 18:51.08 | simonrvn | orzel: ^^ |
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| 18:51.17 | orzel | simonrvn: i can use an alias, but the man page seems to suggest i could use APT::Get::Show-Versions. |
| 18:51.32 | orzel | just i dont know how :( |
| 18:51.36 | orzel | i know where :) |
| 18:51.42 | orzel | well, i think i know.. |
| 18:52.12 | A310 | hmm, as root the command works, but changed nothing for the user |
| 18:52.12 | orzel | you never know with those computer thinguies, right |
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| 18:52.13 | Sven | experienced english speakers, please help me: is there a short word indicating that a time expression is a RTC time (e.g. not a duration)? within a 12h system i could use am and pm but it is for a 24h system. "o'clock" is too long (i have room for 3 chars) |
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| 18:52.41 | eldowan | hrs |
| 18:52.48 | eldowan | sven: ^? |
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| 18:53.08 | tuv | orzel, try "true" next to the option string |
| 18:53.18 | trebor_home | hi. can somebody give me a hint how i can restart/?/ x-server? i do have some pixel errors on my desktop (no monitor defect). how can i get rid of them without log-out log-in? |
| 18:53.20 | tuv | orzel, as in the default apt.conf |
| 18:53.34 | famir | hi all , i'm looking for good and easy guide to learn Java |
| 18:53.35 | Sven | eldowan: i don't know this term, are you sure it's appropriate? |
| 18:53.49 | stew | famir: ask #java |
| 18:53.54 | orzel | tuv: what is the default apt.conf ? /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf ? this is the only one i had |
| 18:54.05 | famir | stew: no one is there |
| 18:54.08 | tuv | orzel, /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 18:54.21 | eldowan | Sven: Most times I hear time stated in 24-hour time, I am told something like 0800 hours. hrs is hours with the vowels removed. |
| 18:54.24 | orzel | i dont have this. |
| 18:54.31 | stew | famir: make that ##java, there are 222 users there |
| 18:54.38 | infernix | Sven: RTC == RealTime clock? |
| 18:54.41 | infernix | !dict RTC |
| 18:54.42 | dpkg | Dictionary 'RTC' (3): A real-time extension of C++. ;; 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "rtc" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" RTC++ ;; ["Object-Oriented Real-Time Language Design: Constructs for Timing Constraints", Y. Ishikawa et al, SIGPLAN Notices 25(10):289-298 (OOPSLA/ECOOP '90) (Oct 1990)].. |
| 18:54.44 | Sven | infernix: yes |
| 18:54.49 | orzel | tuv: i'm using stable (if that matters) and have only that in /etc/apt/ : apt.conf.d sources.list |
| 18:54.52 | tarzeau | famir: and why must it be java? |
| 18:54.53 | infernix | sven: so if you have 3 chars, why not RTC? |
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| 18:55.03 | A310 | simonrvn, it does read as drwxrwxrwxt now, but still not allowed to make files in /tmp |
| 18:55.11 | Sven | infernix: i dunno if users will know what RTC means |
| 18:55.22 | tuv | orzel, any way, did you try that format: <options-string> "true" ? |
| 18:55.28 | orzel | yes, it works :) |
| 18:55.30 | orzel | thanx :) |
| 18:55.34 | infernix | sven: need more context ;) |
| 18:55.40 | orzel | tuv without the quotes, though |
| 18:55.47 | Sven | eldowan: won't users get confused with hrs because i use 2h 15min for durations and there h also means hours |
| 18:55.52 | tuv | orzel, then try the quotes |
| 18:56.17 | Sven | infernix: my (some operation != download) manager calculates an estimated time of arrival |
| 18:56.22 | famir | stew: can't enter , do you have an idea why ? |
| 18:56.27 | Sven | and an estimated duration *until* arrival |
| 18:56.30 | tuv | trebor_home, log-out/log-in is not enough to restart X. you'll have to re-login after restarting X though |
| 18:56.32 | Sven | i want to show both |
| 18:56.40 | stew | famir: you have to register with nickserv, /msg nickserv help |
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| 18:56.58 | infernix | Sven: you could try using the timezone, eg PST, CET, GMT etc |
| 18:56.58 | famir | stew: tnx |
| 18:57.01 | trebor_home | tuv: there is no other possibility to get rid of pixel-errors? |
| 18:57.23 | Sven | infernix: i cannot read the TZ due to sandbox restrictions |
| 18:57.24 | buggarage | sven: tod = time of day! not an option ? though no one will be familiar with that too |
| 18:57.29 | tuv | trebor_home, i don't know what you mean by pixel-errors |
| 18:57.53 | orzel | ok, now. i have a (imha) quite common question. I'm using stable and am happy with it. BUT i want a more recent subversion, as in http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=subversion |
| 18:57.54 | infernix | Sven: perhaps just TOA (time of arrival) but that's not a common word |
| 18:58.07 | orzel | is there a clean way of installing the one from testing or unstable ? |
| 18:58.09 | eldowan | Sven: how about 'end'? |
| 18:58.29 | sep | orzel, have you checked backports.org ? |
| 18:58.33 | eldowan | orzel: backport? |
| 18:58.34 | tuv | orzel, did it work? |
| 18:58.44 | Sven | well i think i'll keep "eta" for the time being |
| 18:58.45 | trebor_home | an application (wine?) caused some pixesls to stay at a constant colors even when i change to anotyer window/application/desktop. as murphy's law holds those errors are in the middle of the screen. |
| 18:58.49 | infernix | Sven: or Est for Estimated time |
| 18:58.50 | orzel | tuv: it worked without the quotes already. and now the upgrade is going on |
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| 18:59.02 | Sven | thx all of you :) |
| 18:59.04 | orzel | sep: eldowan : I don't know that, gonna check. |
| 18:59.18 | eldowan | Sven: np |
| 18:59.54 | tuv | orzel, good |
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| 19:00.32 | simonrvn | A310: well, there's something else preventing you then. i'll be AFK for a bit |
| 19:01.31 | b00st | sven, stew, cusco, pipeline. Now i have downloaded binary-1.iso 2 times and burned 2 times. And still get the sam error. The cd-rom drive contains a non-debian cd :/ |
| 19:01.50 | stew | b00st: do you have more than one cd drive? |
| 19:01.57 | stew | b00st: how is the cd drive connected? |
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| 19:02.52 | johaBBa | what is the 'debian way' of setting up multiple profiles for a network device (wired and wireless)? |
| 19:03.08 | mith | I've got a 3TB raid5 setup and the controller (3ware) shows it properly, but when I did a mkfs on the created partition it's only showing as 746G |
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| 19:03.13 | mith | did I miss something? |
| 19:03.22 | zinx | johaBBa: wired and wireless is generally separate devices |
| 19:03.24 | A310 | simonrvn, logging off/back on with the user it works now, i always get the 'wierd' issues |
| 19:03.42 | stew | johaBBa: "man interfaces" look at "mapping" |
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| 19:03.50 | johaBBa | zinx, i need multiple profiles for my wired device and multiple profiles for my wireless device |
| 19:03.53 | A310 | many thanx simonrvn |
| 19:04.11 | zinx | johaBBa: using mappings, generally, but it's not trivial |
| 19:04.24 | disasm | johaBBa: i tend to edit /etc/network/interfaces and create eth0:0 eth0:1 ... then have only one auto, and bring down/up as you need them |
| 19:04.38 | johaBBa | disasm, hrm....that sounds simple |
| 19:04.38 | DrCurl | hi |
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| 19:05.00 | b00st | stew: i have 2 cd-roms and just use 1of them |
| 19:05.04 | disasm | johaBBa: that WILL let you have multiple ones up at once though, which could really confuse things |
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| 19:05.09 | Ronin | b00st: pull one of them? |
| 19:05.10 | shut- | when i do the java tutoral it says no such dir |
| 19:05.16 | b00st | stew: connected by a IDE cable |
| 19:05.27 | disasm | johaBBa: technically thats used for assigning multiple ip's at once to one NIC |
| 19:05.48 | johaBBa | disasm, yes, i've used that on a co-located debian box...didn't think of that for this :) |
| 19:06.06 | stew | shut-: put the exact command you are typing and the exact output into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:06.20 | DrCurl | I want to install etch, on my laptop. I will probably install rox4debian on it. I'm wondering, what should I install to get a working X setup? I don't wanna une desktop task since it installed way too much thing for me... |
| 19:06.36 | stew | johaBBa: mapping is what you are looking for, not ip aliasing |
| 19:06.54 | disasm | johaBBa: for wireless i do something a little different, I put a hook script in, grep the output of iwconfig, and based on essid configure the device the way I want, if no essid's match, try dhcp |
| 19:07.03 | stew | b00st: is it possible that the installer is looking at the wrong one? can you disconnect one, or put a debian cd in both? i dunno, i haven't heard of this problem before |
| 19:07.04 | moshii | DrCurl: xwindow-system-core |
| 19:07.26 | b00st | stew: i try now |
| 19:07.31 | DrCurl | thanks moshii |
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| 19:07.35 | stew | DrCurl: xorg |
| 19:07.55 | b00st | when i try one the other cd-rom it not boot up |
| 19:07.55 | DrCurl | hmm, xwindow-system-core or xorg? |
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| 19:08.13 | shut- | ok |
| 19:08.22 | johaBBa | i'm going to try both ways....mapping sounds like the smart way, but i may be able to make a kludge w/aliases....... |
| 19:08.53 | johaBBa | kludges may be ugly but sometimes they are just plain simplier. thanks to you both! |
| 19:09.04 | b00st | stew: cant i start any network ssh or something? so u can load it or something? |
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| 19:09.49 | orzel | backports main page is really appealing, that's exactly what i want. now the 'howto' link on the left is ... surprising.. http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=howto |
| 19:10.08 | orzel | let's follow 'instructions' instead :) |
| 19:10.16 | stew | johaBBa: you also might want to look at laptop-net |
| 19:10.30 | stew | b00st: i don't understand what you are asking |
| 19:10.42 | shut- | chmod a+x eric/Desktop/jre-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin |
| 19:10.50 | shut- | that work if it was on my desktop |
| 19:11.06 | b00st | stew: can u ssh me? or is it impossible? |
| 19:11.08 | stew | shut-: you don't want to run that bin directly, /msg dpkg java-pacakge |
| 19:11.30 | stew | b00st: i dont' want to |
| 19:11.34 | shut- | no answer :P |
| 19:11.46 | stew | dpkg: tell shut- about java-package |
| 19:12.00 | b00st | stew: ok, how can i fix this then? |
| 19:13.27 | shut- | JDK 5.0 Update 7 with NetBeans 5.0 |
| 19:13.32 | shut- | that one or wjat one |
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| 19:16.59 | lucky_tux | hello. i want to setup minimalist. till now users can un/subscribe the list, but |
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| 19:17.26 | lucky_tux | when i write a who-request from admin account i get an empty list of subscribers. whats going wrong there? |
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| 19:23.41 | Ox0F0-0FF | cusco, You are soooo lame man...... |
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| 19:24.43 | jade | which app can i use for flow charting, that i can export to MS ppt? |
| 19:24.57 | jade | e.g. is good for creating flow charts |
| 19:25.08 | cydork | jade, for only flowchating there is dia |
| 19:25.16 | shut- | how do u install java from /home/eric/ to /usr/java/ |
| 19:25.17 | shut- | ? |
| 19:25.27 | stew | shut-: /msg dpkg java-package |
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| 19:25.34 | shut- | i have |
| 19:25.38 | shut- | it dont help |
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| 19:25.42 | sertinell | Hi |
| 19:25.47 | stew | shut-: well that will install to /usr/lib/... |
| 19:26.04 | stew | shut-: why do you want to install to /usr/java instead of the debian way of making a .deb and installing the .deb? |
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| 19:26.16 | shut- | i dont know where |
| 19:26.17 | jade | cydork, thanks |
| 19:26.28 | lucky_tux | anyone an idea with minimalist |
| 19:26.28 | lucky_tux | ERROR: |
| 19:26.29 | lucky_tux | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.33 | amphi | shut-: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 |
| 19:26.35 | sertinell | I have this error wiht aptitude, can you help me?! http://pastebin.ca/169261 Thanks ;) |
| 19:26.55 | stew | sertinell: /msg dpkg mmap |
| 19:28.29 | sertinell | stew, ok, Now I Know nmap ;), but ... what is the solution ? :) Thanks :) |
| 19:28.31 | shut- | yes but i did it last time with something like cp ~username desktop? |
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| 19:29.20 | stew | dpkg: tell sertinell about mmap |
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| 19:31.40 | myren | anyone familiar with glark? is there any way to print matched lines |
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| 19:31.50 | sertinell | Stevie, THANKS ! ;) |
| 19:31.52 | Pihhan | hi |
| 19:32.13 | Pihhan | anyone knows if i can reduce kernel logging to console? |
| 19:32.22 | tarzeau | Pihhan: sure |
| 19:32.25 | myren | i'd like something like 'glark /\w+(\d+)/$1/', where it would print out the digits |
| 19:32.28 | tarzeau | Pihhan: checked /etc/syslog.conf yet? |
| 19:32.43 | Pihhan | yes, there is anything about /dev/console |
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| 19:33.01 | Pihhan | there is not :) |
| 19:33.02 | myren | ug, i loath POSIX regex |
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| 19:34.11 | Pihhan | all should be written only to kern.log file, no console entry is in syslogd |
| 19:34.16 | Pihhan | using debian sarge |
| 19:34.17 | shut- | so no one knows |
| 19:34.27 | nvz | shut-: knows what? |
| 19:34.42 | nvz | shut-: are you still not understanding how to install java? |
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| 19:34.51 | shut- | how to install java from /home/eric/ to /usr/java |
| 19:34.57 | shut- | its a .bin |
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| 19:35.06 | cydork | shut-, why dont you use java-package? |
| 19:35.13 | nvz | shut-: what part of java-package did you not understand? the java or the package? |
| 19:35.15 | Pihhan | shut-: have you considered installing it from www.backportts.org? |
| 19:35.29 | b_jonas | hi, all. I'll ask a stupid linux question (not specific to debian) |
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| 19:35.34 | cydork | Pihhan, no need to.. |
| 19:35.36 | nvz | cydork: he was told to do that half an hour ago |
| 19:35.39 | shut- | package wont work |
| 19:35.44 | stew | shut-: why not? |
| 19:35.56 | shut- | E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 19:35.57 | Pihhan | why will package not work? it works to me :) |
| 19:36.05 | nvz | b_jonas: and? |
| 19:36.07 | shut- | brb |
| 19:36.08 | cydork | nvz, ohh :) |
| 19:36.10 | stew | shut-: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 19:36.27 | Pihhan | so, what about configuring /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 19:36.42 | shut- | huh |
| 19:36.42 | nvz | cydork: yeah I /lastlogged that one about 15 min ago when he started asking ambiguously vague questions |
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| 19:36.50 | shut- | pm me need to eat |
| 19:36.55 | Pihhan | any nice debian way to reduce kernel logging to console? |
| 19:36.56 | nvz | heh |
| 19:37.01 | b_jonas | the Documentation/Changes file under the linux source tree lists minimal versions of certain packages you need |
| 19:37.27 | b_jonas | if you want to use them with that certain version of linux (or, in some case, build linux with them) |
| 19:37.33 | cydork | !forcefed shut- |
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| 19:37.51 | cydork | ahh, i give up |
| 19:37.52 | b_jonas | that's nice, but I can't seem to find iptables anywhere in that list. |
| 19:38.02 | buggarage | shut: dpkg -i *bla --instdir=/usr/java, read man dpkg |
| 19:38.14 | Pihhan | you dont need iptables to build kernel as far as i know |
| 19:38.14 | b_jonas | is iptables a part of some package listed, or superseded by one of them, |
| 19:38.24 | b_jonas | or is it just that any version of it suffices |
| 19:38.27 | b_jonas | ? |
| 19:38.46 | Pihhan | you dont need it at all, if you dont want protect your computer from network attacks |
| 19:39.28 | Pihhan | well information in Documentation mentions what you need to BUILD kernel, not to use it |
| 19:39.36 | johaBBa | i removed a package w/out --purge. is there a way to purge after the fact? it still shows the package in 'dpkg -l' with 'rc' status |
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| 19:40.05 | jelly | johaBBa: yes, dpkg --purge ... or aptitude purge ... |
| 19:40.09 | jplibre | does anyone know of a way to figure out which DIMM is being mentioned in /var/log/mcelog (or wherever your MCElog goes to)? |
| 19:40.13 | b_jonas | Pihhan: surely, but I do want to set up iptables rules |
| 19:40.31 | Pihhan | b_jonas: aptitude install iptables then :) |
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| 19:40.55 | johaBBa | jelly, i have already removed the package with 'apt-get remove <pkgname>' |
| 19:41.13 | jelly | johaBBa: I know, you said so. |
| 19:41.16 | b_jonas | Pihhan: I have it installed but I have installed a kernel later then the ones in sarge |
| 19:41.22 | b_jonas | and iptables gives me an error |
| 19:41.25 | Pihhan | johaBBa: you can still remove all configs by purge after you removed package |
| 19:41.45 | jplibre | Pihhan: are you using syslog-ng or syslog? |
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| 19:41.48 | Pihhan | iptables is not related to version of kernel |
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| 19:41.57 | Pihhan | jplibre: syslog (old) |
| 19:42.04 | Pihhan | default debian configuration |
| 19:42.11 | johaBBa | jelly, ah ok....i needed to add the pkgname after 'dpkg --purge'....missed that |
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| 19:42.19 | b_jonas | that's why I want to know if its version is too old, though that's probably not the problem |
| 19:42.28 | _zap_ | hi. which program can you recommend that reminds you of birthdays or other important dates? |
| 19:42.32 | Pihhan | b_jonas: are you sure you enabled iptables when building kernel? |
| 19:42.45 | b_jonas | Pihhan: well, that might be the problem |
| 19:42.56 | b_jonas | wait, I'll paste the error message |
| 19:43.11 | robewald | is there a writeup about putting /etc in subversion, esp. dealing with the permission and ownership problem. I can't seem to find the right google keywords |
| 19:43.22 | Supaplex | b_jonas: I did the same thing once. packet filtering is not identical to iptables (as far as options go). the latter requires the first I think. |
| 19:44.00 | wouterl | _zap_, evolution |
| 19:44.11 | johaBBa | is there a way to make 'apt-get remove pkgname' purge by default? |
| 19:44.17 | Pihhan | so |
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| 19:44.18 | tarzeau | _zap_: i'm using finger and ~/.plan |
| 19:44.21 | jade | how can i check the status of a deb package in the repository (e.g. one i just apt-get update'd ) ? |
| 19:44.21 | b_jonas | Supaplex: ok, I'll check the config then |
| 19:44.26 | tarzeau | johaBBa: add --purge to it? |
| 19:44.35 | Pihhan | doesnt klogd fill my console instead of syslogd? |
| 19:44.44 | tarzeau | jade: what status? |
| 19:44.52 | b_jonas | But even if that's not the error I find this lack of minimal version strange |
| 19:45.05 | johaBBa | tarzeau, well when i install a pkg and apt-get removes another it does not purge |
| 19:45.15 | tarzeau | johaBBa: dpkg -l |
| 19:45.17 | robewald | _zap_: or kontact :-) |
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| 19:45.30 | tarzeau | johaBBa: dpkg -P to purge a removed one |
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| 19:45.45 | johaBBa | tarzeau, my question was how to make apt --purge by default. that seems to be a manual solution..... |
| 19:45.45 | jade | dpkg --status of a deb package, so i can see if a new deb package is available. e.g. i want to see if there's a newer version of openoffice.org than my current 1.1 version |
| 19:45.45 | dpkg | jade: what are you talking about? |
| 19:46.19 | _zap_ | tarzeau, wouterl, robewald: thanks. korganizer and sunbird are other choices as i just learned |
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| 19:47.22 | b_jonas | Supaplex: I already have CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES ("IP tables support (required for filtering/masq/NAT)") turned on. Is that the option you're talking? |
| 19:47.32 | tarzeau | _zap_: i don't like those |
| 19:47.39 | Pihhan | b_jonas: yes |
| 19:48.05 | b_jonas | I have never used iptables on 2.6 before |
| 19:48.09 | Pihhan | b_jonas: what about exact error message, |
| 19:48.16 | b_jonas | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 19:48.33 | Pihhan | iptables from debian works well in 2.6 kernels |
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| 19:48.42 | jair | hello guys, how is everything, I am trying to find information about the group of developers and workers on the debian system, I will be doing somework with debian and other gnu tools but using the Debian OS for testings and usage in IBM |
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| 19:49.04 | b_jonas | it might still be some other kernel config thingy of course |
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| 19:49.13 | _zap_ | tarzeau: i like to have something in the tray as a reminder. your approach requires manual interaction or do i misunderstand you# |
| 19:49.18 | jair | I am looking for a list of applications and needs where Debian can be a good replacemente for some old technologies on Windows |
| 19:49.25 | Pihhan | b_jonas: have you link to your pasted text? |
| 19:49.28 | robewald | _zap_: korganizer is part of kontact, kontact has a nice general view imo |
| 19:49.37 | tarzeau | _zap_: you can automate finger on localhost |
| 19:49.39 | b_jonas | oh sorry |
| 19:49.46 | erichapkido | Hello, while trying to install vmware player it asks to compile something but says that I need to use 4.0.4 instead of 4.1.2. Is there a way to get it to use gcc-4.0 which is 4.0.4 instead of gcc which is 4.1.2? |
| 19:49.49 | b_jonas | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3730 |
| 19:49.56 | tarzeau | _zap_: if it shows me when i login, that's enough for me |
| 19:50.09 | tarzeau | _zap_: there's also agenda.app |
| 19:50.12 | cydork | erichapkido, check if you have gcc-4.0 installed |
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| 19:50.18 | erichapkido | cydork: i do |
| 19:50.25 | _zap_ | tarzeau: ok |
| 19:50.31 | _zap_ | tarzeau: thanks for the input |
| 19:50.36 | erichapkido | cydork: gcc-4.0 --version gives me 4.0.4 |
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| 19:50.46 | cydork | erichapkido, then export CC=/path/to/gcc-4.0 |
| 19:50.54 | cydork | erichapkido, and then run the script again |
| 19:51.08 | erichapkido | cydork: just curious, what does that do? |
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| 19:51.53 | cydork | erichapkido, adds env. variable for CC which that script will use |
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| 19:52.31 | Pihhan | b_jonas: you have enabled iptables, but not iptables filtering |
| 19:52.33 | JordiGH | Ah. |
| 19:52.37 | JordiGH | IRC at last. |
| 19:52.49 | JordiGH | Compiling irssi on OpenBSD took a while. Slow server. :-/ |
| 19:53.00 | JordiGH | Too bad I have no colours. |
| 19:53.08 | asg | JordiGH: it took over 2 hours on my P200 / 48 ;) |
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| 19:53.14 | erichapkido | cydork: thanks, it compiled whatever it needed |
| 19:53.19 | Pihhan | debian has nice apt system, why compiling something |
| 19:53.23 | JordiGH | asg: Something comparable on this one. At least one hour. |
| 19:53.29 | dan2 | asg! |
| 19:53.39 | JordiGH | Pihhan: Because I had to use it on OpenBSD, not Debian. :-/ |
| 19:53.43 | asg | Pihhan: he was talking about OpenBSD |
| 19:53.46 | asg | dan2: hiya |
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| 19:53.53 | dan2 | asg: NINJA! |
| 19:53.53 | cydork | hey i have 60 mhz pentium box. can i use it as a gateway/firewall? |
| 19:54.02 | dan2 | cydork: heh |
| 19:54.07 | asg | cydork: yes |
| 19:54.09 | tarzeau | cydork: how much memory? |
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| 19:54.13 | tarzeau | asg: not if he has not enough memory |
| 19:54.22 | tarzeau | debian (linux) is very memory hungry |
| 19:54.29 | cydork | tarzeau, 16 mb i guess :P |
| 19:54.36 | tarzeau | cydork: it'll be hard if possible at all |
| 19:54.36 | JordiGH | Kay, so how can I tell Firefox to not check if there is already another Firefox running in the target X server and to start a new Firefox process instead? I thought --no-xshm would do it, but it doesn't. |
| 19:54.43 | tarzeau | cydork: he'll end up manually installing it |
| 19:54.43 | cydork | i just dont like having things lying around |
| 19:55.11 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Eh? You mean the kernel needs a lot of memory? I beg to differ, good madam or sir. :-) |
| 19:55.14 | stew | cydork: 16 isn't enough to run the installer, but if you install from another machine with more memory, a 60 mhz pentium is fast enough to be a firewall |
| 19:55.24 | tarzeau | JordiGH: i said DEBIAN, and their installer |
| 19:55.30 | robewald | is there a "debian way" resetting the permissions of files in /etc? suse has somthing like that with /etc/permissions |
| 19:55.45 | tarzeau | JordiGH: and yes, the linux kernel is not one of the smallest kernels out there |
| 19:55.47 | tarzeau | by far NOT |
| 19:55.55 | tarzeau | JordiGH: you can beg as long as you want, i disagree |
| 19:55.55 | cydork | stew, hmm i will try with debbootstap i guess . |
| 19:55.59 | JordiGH | It can fit into a floppy with some hacking. |
| 19:56.06 | tarzeau | cydork: good luck . |
| 19:56.09 | tarzeau | JordiGH: hahahhaa |
| 19:56.11 | shut- | how do i fix this problem |
| 19:56.19 | tarzeau | JordiGH: try that with a 5,25" 360 kb floppy |
| 19:56.22 | JordiGH | tarzeau: It can. You can boot linux from a floppy. This is not opinion. |
| 19:56.23 | b_jonas | Pihhan: where exactly is that? |
| 19:56.23 | tarzeau | JordiGH: MAN THAT'S LARGE |
| 19:56.26 | stew | cydork: the problem is that the package dependency graph that d-i tries to load requires somewhere like 24 mb of memory |
| 19:56.27 | tarzeau | JordiGH: bullshit |
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| 19:56.35 | tarzeau | JordiGH: it can not on a floppy of the size i named above |
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| 19:56.40 | tarzeau | JordiGH: true, it's a lie |
| 19:56.42 | wakejagr | cydork: i'd suggest using a purpose-built floppy firewall like coyote linux |
| 19:56.55 | cydork | stew, that's too much for that box to handle. |
| 19:57.00 | cydork | :P |
| 19:57.01 | tarzeau | JordiGH: heck it doesn't even fit onto 720kb floppies or 880kb ones |
| 19:57.12 | jair | guys I am doing some testing on my firewall and ports, but I am using dsl and I know the external IP, I am scanning it and I do not see the port 80 open at least?? it is because if does not show there is open? |
| 19:57.22 | JordiGH | http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Floppy/ |
| 19:57.35 | tarzeau | JordiGH: that's 1.44 MB!!! |
| 19:57.46 | JordiGH | Though you're correct that these are for those gargantuan and quirky newfangled 1.44 meg floppies. |
| 19:57.49 | tarzeau | JordiGH: and that says nothing about memory consumption |
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| 19:58.02 | cydork | JordiGH, ya i tried mulinux and picobsd on that |
| 19:58.09 | cydork | JordiGH, it works |
| 19:58.13 | tarzeau | cydork: diskspace? |
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| 19:58.26 | cydork | tarzeau, 1 gb |
| 19:58.27 | tarzeau | cydork: i've got a 486 here with 32mb memory, much better |
| 19:58.36 | shut- | anyone no how i can get the gave package to work |
| 19:58.37 | tarzeau | cydork: and a sparc classic (48mb) |
| 19:58.40 | shut- | java* |
| 19:58.44 | tarzeau | cydork: really you don't want anything < 32mb memory |
| 19:58.54 | tarzeau | cydork: at least not with sarge+ |
| 19:59.03 | tarzeau | shut-: java-package |
| 19:59.17 | stew | < 32 is fine after it has been installed, its just running the installer that requires more |
| 19:59.42 | Rockj | do there exist a nice walkthru/howto for learning and understanding locales? |
| 19:59.43 | tarzeau | stew: true, and apt-get is a memory hog too |
| 19:59.48 | shut- | yes |
| 19:59.53 | b_jonas | Ah, found it |
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| 20:00.02 | erichapkido | Can someone help me with error in vmware player? http://pastebin.ca/169300 I'm on debian etch |
| 20:00.09 | Pihhan | b_jonas: menuconfig->Device Drivers->Networking support->Networking options->Network packet filtering |
| 20:00.17 | shut- | it say cant not find |
| 20:00.18 | tarzeau | stew: if "is fine" means "is a pain in the ass" , i agree |
| 20:00.26 | tarzeau | shut-: it's contrib i think |
| 20:00.33 | shut- | ok |
| 20:00.35 | b_jonas | it's called CONFIG_IP_NF_FILTER |
| 20:00.36 | shut- | how do i do it |
| 20:00.37 | roby | my /usr/share/dict/words is a dangling link, what do i need to install to have some dict words? |
| 20:00.50 | tarzeau | shut-: fix your /etc/apt/sources.list or get it manually from p.d.o |
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| 20:01.08 | shut- | p.d.o? |
| 20:01.11 | tarzeau | !pdo |
| 20:01.11 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 20:01.24 | Pihhan | b_jonas: IP netfilter configuration, Packet filtering there |
| 20:01.30 | b_jonas | Pihhan: thanks for the help |
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| 20:02.17 | stew | tarzeau: no that's not what "is fine" means |
| 20:02.21 | stew | shut-: /msg dpkg contrib |
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| 20:03.01 | JordiGH | So, no clue about Firefox? The thing is that I want to get an X-forwarded Firefox, not the local one running, but Firefox is trying to be too smart. |
| 20:03.02 | cydork | sorry phone call.. |
| 20:03.06 | Pihhan | do you use syslog-ng or syslog+klogd? |
| 20:03.13 | tarzeau | JordiGH: i can give you my address if you send me one |
| 20:03.29 | shut- | how do i know my mirror |
| 20:03.38 | tarzeau | shut-: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:03.56 | tarzeau | cydork: have you tried minix3.org ? |
| 20:03.59 | shut- | ok |
| 20:04.09 | Pihhan | shut-: you have some country where you live, so find mirror list, and choose mirrors in your country |
| 20:04.09 | cydork | tarzeau, not yet. |
| 20:04.10 | b_jonas | ok, made and installed the kernel, I'll reboot now |
| 20:04.27 | shut- | k |
| 20:04.52 | shut- | thats canada |
| 20:04.52 | EdLin | !k |
| 20:04.53 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 20:05.01 | Pihhan | how do i stop my iptables spamming my console please? |
| 20:05.01 | JordiGH | Pihhan: For me, usually mirrors from .us work better than those from .mx, even though I'm in .mx. :-/ |
| 20:05.02 | shut- | where can i find there mirror list |
| 20:05.06 | tarzeau | !mirrors |
| 20:05.06 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 20:05.25 | JordiGH | EdLin: Do you prefer "Kay"? |
| 20:06.07 | JordiGH | shut-: The University of Sherbrooke and others are good Canadian mirrors. |
| 20:06.14 | tarzeau | ouch |
| 20:06.24 | shut- | huh |
| 20:06.31 | Pihhan | nobody here has spammed console on servers by iptables? |
| 20:06.32 | Kevin` | oops? :) |
| 20:06.43 | johaBBa | Pihhan, i do |
| 20:06.47 | gdub | mirror.direct.ca is another good one |
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| 20:07.13 | Pihhan | johaBBa: and have you solution on this? |
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| 20:07.26 | johaBBa | Pihhan, well i like it like that. it's a firewall box. |
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| 20:07.46 | shut- | ftp://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ |
| 20:07.48 | JordiGH | shut-: In Mtl, I use the York University mirror. |
| 20:07.50 | shut- | i am on that one |
| 20:07.54 | b_jonas | Pihhan: it works now |
| 20:07.58 | b_jonas | thanks for the help |
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| 20:08.08 | shut- | but where do i click now |
| 20:08.30 | JordiGH | shut-: Click? Are you using Synaptic? Sorry, I walked in the middle of the conversation, I think. |
| 20:08.31 | Pihhan | johaBBa: well you have it always on primary console, so you cannot escape spamming console when under attack |
| 20:08.40 | stew | shut-: did you add contrib to your sources.list? |
| 20:08.50 | shut- | no |
| 20:08.51 | Pihhan | johaBBa: that is far too bad for me |
| 20:08.54 | shut- | how |
| 20:09.16 | stew | shut-: "editor /etc/apt/sources.list" did you read "/msg dpkg contrib" ? |
| 20:09.30 | Pihhan | append space and contrib to your line |
| 20:09.31 | johaBBa | Pihhan, sry. i misunderstood your question. my firewall box is on a kvm so i can watch the console or switch to a workstation running snort. |
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| 20:09.50 | stew | Pihhan: does your syslog log auth messages to * ? |
| 20:10.11 | shut- | !pastebin |
| 20:10.11 | dpkg | methinks pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 20:10.11 | Pihhan | no |
| 20:10.29 | stew | Pihhan: does it log any messages to *? |
| 20:10.38 | Pihhan | nothing is directed to * |
| 20:10.52 | shut- | http://pastebin.ca/169315 |
| 20:11.11 | Pihhan | well, *.* is logged to syslog.log |
| 20:11.11 | stew | Pihhan: do you want these messages you are seeing to be logged, just not to console, or not logged at all? |
| 20:11.15 | Pihhan | but not to console |
| 20:11.27 | stew | Pihhan: i'm talking about * as the destination |
| 20:11.29 | Pihhan | not to console |
| 20:11.32 | stew | Pihhan: not as the source |
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| 20:11.57 | Pihhan | no, no * as destination there |
| 20:12.07 | Pihhan | i read man syslogd.conf |
| 20:12.32 | shut- | so anyone know why |
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| 20:13.03 | Pihhan | stew: http://www.pihhan.info/syslog.conf |
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| 20:13.27 | FarrisG | I'm getting stale nfs file handle on all of my clients for one particular directory within an export |
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| 20:13.34 | FarrisG | the data itself seems fine on the server |
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| 20:13.45 | FarrisG | no amount of mounting, unmounting, restarting on the client or server is helping |
| 20:13.50 | FarrisG | any ideas? |
| 20:13.50 | sineer | hi. I have a problem with rcS UTC=no NOT working on some machines and working for some other machines... |
| 20:13.52 | shut- | anyone look at it |
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| 20:14.28 | Hoxzer_ | !dpkg etch |
| 20:14.28 | dpkg | i guess etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 20:14.33 | Pihhan | deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 20:14.35 | sineer | On some machine, setting UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS changes nothing, debian still modifies my clock to -4 EST timezone :( |
| 20:14.36 | stew | Pihhan: possibly iptables is loogging to auth.emerg? |
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| 20:15.20 | sysop | hi guys |
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| 20:15.51 | JordiGH | Aha, found it: http://blog.madduck.net/geek/2006.02.14-firefox-gripes |
| 20:16.11 | Pihhan | stew: using level info |
| 20:16.34 | Pihhan | stew: i am wondering if klogd does not log it directly into console |
| 20:16.35 | sysop | I made a jail with debbootstrap. well I currently have it on tty8 (alt-f8) is it possible to have it hooked up to a konsole session? |
| 20:16.56 | JordiGH | Now, I wonder, do I set that environment variable in the local or the remote machine? |
| 20:16.59 | asodel | how can i converse with another person using talk? |
| 20:17.10 | stew | Pihhan: you might also ask #iptables |
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| 20:17.30 | Pihhan | stew: i think i know i understand iptables pretty well |
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| 20:17.41 | shut- | anyone one |
| 20:17.42 | Pihhan | LOG all -- anywhere anywhere MARK match 0x0/0x100 limit: avg 30/hour burst 5 LOG level info prefix `UNSHAPED ' |
| 20:18.01 | JordiGH | shut-: What is it now? |
| 20:18.02 | Pihhan | do you think this one is emerg priority? |
| 20:18.04 | afm | whats the specific kernel option I need to enabe to allow firmware to be loaded at boot time? |
| 20:18.10 | shut- | i have it in paste bin |
| 20:18.24 | shut- | http://pastebin.ca/169315 |
| 20:18.26 | sineer | Why is it that debian modify the clock value it gets from the bios even too I've set UTC=no in my /etc/default/rcS ?? |
| 20:18.30 | sysop | you have to generate the persons talk-id. this is dervied from the number of letters in the uername plus the sum of all the acsii values of the letters of the username divided by the user's shoe size. |
| 20:18.40 | Pihhan | shut-: type man sources.list in your terminal, and read it all |
| 20:18.45 | sineer | I got that problem on many machines... some however work OK!! I have NO clue why |
| 20:19.04 | Pihhan | shut-: or man:sources.list in your konqueror |
| 20:19.08 | asg | sineer: did you set a proper timezone? |
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| 20:19.13 | sineer | asg yes |
| 20:19.24 | sineer | asg, actually, it modify my clock according to the timezome I've set! |
| 20:19.40 | sineer | and I don't want that!! I want it to use the bios time as it is set to Local time... |
| 20:19.59 | asg | sineer: it might be worth looking at hwclock(8) and seeing if fooling with that gets things in order. |
| 20:20.02 | sineer | but whatever I set UTC= for to some machine, same result, my clock gets backed by 4hrs |
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| 20:20.52 | afm | dvb-ttpci: usually this should be in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware or /lib/firmware :: file exists in both locations. I've read debian disabled loading of firmware.... |
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| 20:21.00 | stew | Pihhan: is that the prefix that you are seeing on the console messages? |
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| 20:21.18 | Pihhan | yes |
| 20:21.22 | Pihhan | not only one |
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| 20:21.30 | sineer | hwclock gives me this on a physical machine Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method. |
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| 20:22.01 | Pihhan | every thing i have in firewall.log, kern.log is on my console also |
| 20:22.32 | sineer | asg any clue why I get Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method. trying to run hwclock ? |
| 20:22.40 | JordiGH | Wtf was shut- talking about? Did they ever phrase a question? |
| 20:22.41 | asg | sineer: did you try as root? |
| 20:22.53 | sineer | yep |
| 20:23.04 | astor_frag | how to synch time with chrony plz ?? |
| 20:23.20 | stew | JordiGH: he wants to add contrib to his sources |
| 20:23.25 | stew | JordiGH: to install java-package |
| 20:23.58 | JordiGH | stew: Oh. Well. I hope he got it working. It was kinda hard to get across to him. I wonder if he was francophone. :P |
| 20:24.21 | sineer | could it be cause I don't have the rtc module ? |
| 20:24.26 | asodel | how do i see the host of a computer? |
| 20:24.34 | asg | sineer: possible but I don't know for sure. |
| 20:24.35 | sineer | do I need this for the stupid UTC=no switch in rcS to work? |
| 20:24.36 | stew | asodel: the host? what do you mean? |
| 20:24.44 | JordiGH | http://bugs.debian.org/352809 |
| 20:24.54 | stew | sineer: rtc is something different |
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| 20:25.22 | asodel | stew: hostname |
| 20:25.41 | asg | asodel: hostname(1) |
| 20:26.01 | xaka | if vsftpd starting with inetd and i change configurations (/etc/vsftpd.conf) - how i can restart rightly vsftpd? "killall -HUP inetd"? |
| 20:26.26 | Pihhan | xaka: not needed at all, it will read new config on new connection |
| 20:26.27 | stew | asodel: type "hostname" |
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| 20:26.43 | asodel | ok |
| 20:26.43 | asg | xaka: it will pick up the new config on the next connection |
| 20:26.56 | abrotman | asodel: is this on debian or ubuntu ? |
| 20:27.08 | JordiGH | Hah! |
| 20:27.13 | JordiGH | "That's the problem with applications developed by people coming from the |
| 20:27.14 | JordiGH | windows world..." |
| 20:27.15 | asodel | abrotman:ubuntu |
| 20:27.21 | abrotman | asodel: please go to #ubuntu |
| 20:27.24 | JordiGH | Don't bash my Firefox! |
| 20:27.29 | xaka | hm...i don't think that. i remove anonymous login, try to connect by local user at give message: "anonymous connect only" |
| 20:27.36 | asg | JordiGH: can we ksh it? |
| 20:27.42 | xaka | *at = and |
| 20:28.03 | JordiGH | asg :-) |
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| 20:28.23 | beeman_ | sup |
| 20:28.41 | Pihhan | what advantages has syslog-ng? |
| 20:28.56 | asg | Pihhan: you can send messages via tcp and encrypt them with stunnel |
| 20:28.58 | JordiGH | So I emailed some dudes saying "Your almost free software isn't DFSG-free, OMGWTFBBQ". No response yet, although they responded immediately to another query of mine. I'll give them a couple more days, and then I'll nag again. :P |
| 20:28.59 | tarzeau | Pihhan: tcp instead of udp |
| 20:29.06 | asg | Pihhan: also, regexes |
| 20:29.07 | stew | Pihhan: are you hoping someone will say "it doesn't spam your console?" :P |
| 20:29.28 | Pihhan | stew: yeah, you bet on it |
| 20:29.41 | asg | stew: haha |
| 20:30.03 | RichiH | is 'see also' or 'also see' more correct? |
| 20:30.05 | Pihhan | wont syslog-ng break with some packages? |
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| 20:30.29 | jfletcher | is there anyway, that instead of having my window borders change colour on activation, that can set them just to be the same as when they're not selected? |
| 20:30.44 | nvz | jfletcher: depends on what window manager you use |
| 20:30.46 | Pihhan | hm, but maybe there are categories same maybe nothing is needed to config with syslog-ng? |
| 20:30.48 | asg | jfletcher: it depends on your window manager |
| 20:30.53 | dan2 | asg! |
| 20:30.54 | jfletcher | nvz: gnome. |
| 20:31.05 | asg | hi dan |
| 20:31.06 | dan2 | asg: no pub today? |
| 20:31.08 | nvz | jfletcher: gnome ..? metacity maybe? |
| 20:31.09 | dan2 | pub closed? |
| 20:31.15 | jfletcher | nvz: ah, gtk2 |
| 20:31.24 | asg | dan2: I'm here. Just have to borrow a friends ISP since mine blows. |
| 20:31.25 | stew | RichiH: I think they are interchangable |
| 20:31.34 | dan2 | asg: oh |
| 20:31.39 | dan2 | asg: drinking a cold one by the bar? |
| 20:31.50 | asg | dan2: cold one #3 |
| 20:32.09 | nvz | jfletcher: oh ok, that includes what about 20 wms or more? |
| 20:32.16 | RichiH | stew: really? i learned it was also see in school |
| 20:32.28 | jfletcher | nvz: well, is there a cmd to find out? |
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| 20:32.30 | dan2 | !c |
| 20:32.31 | dpkg | See, or S-E-E. If you're too lazy to spell it out, we're too lazy to help you. |
| 20:32.31 | RichiH | stew: native speaker? if yes, what country? |
| 20:32.35 | stew | RichiH: USA |
| 20:32.37 | stew | yes |
| 20:32.39 | dan2 | !programming |
| 20:32.39 | dpkg | hmm... programming is another word for coding |
| 20:32.42 | dan2 | !coding |
| 20:32.42 | dpkg | it has been said that coding is something which is done by everybody but understood by nobody. |
| 20:32.47 | nvz | jfletcher: can you post a screenshot? |
| 20:32.47 | dan2 | hahaha |
| 20:32.50 | RichiH | !tell dan2 about msg |
| 20:33.02 | Pihhan | dont you have someone jabber robot reading from syslog-ng? :) |
| 20:33.02 | nvz | jfletcher: or output of ps aux |
| 20:33.04 | RichiH | stew: hmmk |
| 20:33.07 | stew | peterS: you are better at linguistic questions. do you think "see also" or "also see" is preferable |
| 20:33.13 | jfletcher | nvz: www.digifx.co.uk/james/Sreenshot.png |
| 20:33.18 | dan2 | !tell RichiH about msg about msg about msg |
| 20:33.28 | dan2 | heh, no fun |
| 20:33.31 | peterS | stew: 'see also' is pretty much a fixed idiom |
| 20:33.38 | nvz | jfletcher: 404 |
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| 20:33.51 | jfletcher | nvz: refresh |
| 20:33.55 | jfletcher | nvz: crappy server. |
| 20:34.09 | nvz | crappy link its a 404 |
| 20:34.16 | jfletcher | http://www.digifx.co.uk/james/Screenshot.png |
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| 20:34.19 | jfletcher | works for me |
| 20:34.37 | jfletcher | would upload a screenshot if you could see it ^_^ |
| 20:34.39 | nvz | jfletcher: heh |
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| 20:35.15 | xaka | if i do "apt-get install vsftpd" - it will self configurate in inetd as service? how i can check that |
| 20:35.21 | nvz | jfletcher: a screenshot of the window colors ass |
| 20:35.38 | jfletcher | k |
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| 20:36.00 | rzr | anyone use slashdot here ? |
| 20:36.22 | amphi | rzr: for what? |
| 20:36.26 | JordiGH | jfletcher: Your screenshot is inching its way across its download, and I think I already see some skin at the top part of this. This better not be pr0n. :-) |
| 20:36.43 | Pihhan | xaka: no, it will run standalone i think |
| 20:36.43 | rzr | amphi: rate this post please http://del.icio.us/tag/detaxe+slashdot |
| 20:36.49 | nvz | JordiGH: debian ass.png |
| 20:36.50 | jfletcher | nah man not naked ^_^ |
| 20:37.03 | xaka | # vsftpd |
| 20:37.03 | xaka | 500 OOPS: vsftpd: not configured for standalone, must be started from inetd |
| 20:37.17 | jfletcher | i'll change it for you nvz. |
| 20:37.20 | JordiGH | jfletcher: Ooh, nice desktop. What are you using? |
| 20:37.23 | Ronin | so do so xaka :) |
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| 20:37.44 | jfletcher | nvzhttp://www.digifx.co.uk/james/newwindows.png |
| 20:37.53 | sussi | hi |
| 20:37.59 | xaka | Ronin: i must change /etc/inetd.conf, right? |
| 20:38.09 | tarzeau | that's utterly ugly |
| 20:38.12 | sussi | how do a errorlog for apt-build? |
| 20:38.41 | JordiGH | jfletcher: Would you mind resizing your screenshots? The first one is still downloading for me. |
| 20:38.48 | JordiGH | But already I see a Debian tattoo. Sexy. |
| 20:38.49 | abrotman | sussi: redirect the output |
| 20:39.04 | JordiGH | Hey! That's a butt! |
| 20:39.09 | jfletcher | JordiGH: the desktop is on gnome-look.org if you want it =] |
| 20:39.15 | jfletcher | the background* |
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| 20:39.18 | sussi | wont work: apt-build 2 > apt-build-firefox.log, it try to build "2" |
| 20:39.19 | tarzeau | JordiGH: at least it's not hairy |
| 20:39.19 | nvz | JordiGH: thats completly different :P |
| 20:39.37 | tarzeau | or the goatse one |
| 20:39.38 | nvz | JordiGH: if you know where to go for themes you should already know you are using metacity |
| 20:39.41 | abrotman | sussi: you did it wrong |
| 20:39.51 | asg | sussi: 2> not 2 > |
| 20:39.53 | JordiGH | nvz: Using KDE myself. |
| 20:39.54 | jfletcher | nvz: I download gtk2 themes :/ |
| 20:39.55 | sussi | thx |
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| 20:40.17 | JordiGH | So we can get Debian butts from the repositories? dpkg is a pimp now? |
| 20:40.25 | tarzeau | !gender |
| 20:40.25 | dpkg | I'm gay |
| 20:40.30 | tarzeau | JordiGH: a gaz pimp even |
| 20:40.33 | tarzeau | gay |
| 20:40.35 | jfletcher | JordiGH: lol. |
| 20:40.53 | nvz | jfletcher: I'd get a theme that doesnt change color :P |
| 20:41.02 | nvz | monochrome one |
| 20:41.39 | jfletcher | nvz: was hoping for somthing sorta boxey + acorn style |
| 20:41.55 | jfletcher | got sick of stupid eye candy |
| 20:41.59 | JordiGH | Can GNOME do different wallpapers for different desktops? |
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| 20:42.32 | jfletcher | I never actually use more than one, I take the selector away as soon as I install |
| 20:42.40 | JordiGH | jfletcher: No more butts for you? How about the cholesterol-free desktop environment? |
| 20:43.13 | tarzeau | JordiGH: try www.thehun.net |
| 20:43.22 | jfletcher | JordiGH: I'd rather go the whole way+ install windowmaker :) |
| 20:44.10 | tarzeau | JordiGH: it still exists |
| 20:44.11 | asg | JordiGH: you can still live those days |
| 20:44.28 | tarzeau | JordiGH: http://www.asciipr0n.com/ |
| 20:44.36 | JordiGH | Uh, tarzeau, why are you giving me porn links? |
| 20:44.42 | tarzeau | JordiGH: you're asking for them |
| 20:44.44 | jfletcher | kesis christ |
| 20:44.47 | JordiGH | I mean, unascii porn? |
| 20:44.53 | jfletcher | btw, tarzeau freeones.com > the hun |
| 20:45.01 | JordiGH | No I didn't. |
| 20:45.03 | tarzeau | JordiGH: btw know www.lesbian.mine.nu ? |
| 20:45.11 | tarzeau | jfletcher: thanks |
| 20:45.20 | jfletcher | =] |
| 20:45.28 | JordiGH | I do know that one. That's funny. Real naked girls are usually less so. |
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| 20:47.44 | jfletcher | nvz: do you know if i can do it then? |
| 20:47.46 | rockstar_ | I have a dual display system, and for some reason, my apps keep starting up outside the screen boundaries. I see they are running when I alt+tab, but I can't select them. Is there a way I can move the window back? |
| 20:47.55 | rockstar_ | ...without the mouse? |
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| 20:48.38 | stew | rockstar_: that would be window manager dependent, you should say which window manager you are using |
| 20:48.56 | rockstar_ | stew, using enlightenment. |
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| 20:49.03 | rockstar_ | e17 actually. |
| 20:49.08 | disasm | hey, gdm stopped working, I checked the setup, and everything looks default, it just shows the waiting circle spinning infinitely and never comes up. I waited 20 mins before killing gdm |
| 20:49.38 | rockstar_ | Ha! Got it, switched over to the other monitor and started it up, works fine... |
| 20:49.51 | rockstar_ | Thanks stew, for the interest in helping me. Most the time I just have to say things aloud (or on the keyboard...) |
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| 20:50.33 | benjamindees | I'm looking for a floppy that can be used to run fdisk or dd in 8 megs of ram |
| 20:50.51 | JordiGH | Hm, I forgot how to get the middle button to close tabs in Firefox instead of trying to load a url from the clipboard. |
| 20:51.23 | benjamindees | or any other partitioning program |
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| 20:51.42 | JordiGH | And for some reason, this OpenBSD firefox is "community edition". Wtf is that? |
| 20:51.49 | asg | benjamindees: tomsbrt might work |
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| 20:52.06 | benjamindees | asg, ah, yeah I'd forgotten about that |
| 20:52.08 | asg | JordiGH: beware of SARS |
| 20:52.22 | JordiGH | Eh? |
| 20:52.56 | asg | nevermind |
| 20:53.18 | JordiGH | Sorry. Missed a joke, it seems. |
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| 20:55.20 | JordiGH | w00t. about:config middlemouse.contentLoadURL -> false |
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| 20:55.53 | JordiGH | that about:config page is scary, but useful. |
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| 21:03.48 | liran_ | just wondering if there's an obvious choice between pureftpd and proftpd... ? |
| 21:04.10 | dendrite | liran_: Consider vsftpd |
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| 21:04.55 | liran_ | dendrite: hmmm, over both of them... what is the reason? |
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| 21:09.16 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
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| 21:09.43 | puked | hi when i boot with install cd it gives this error |
| 21:09.44 | puked | RAMDISK : Compressed image found at block 0 |
| 21:09.44 | puked | invalid compressed format (err=1) |
| 21:09.44 | puked | VFS: Cannot open root device "<NULL>" or unknown-block(3,3) |
| 21:09.44 | puked | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 21:09.45 | puked | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,3) |
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| 21:09.52 | puked | why? |
| 21:09.59 | jfletcher | spam? |
| 21:10.11 | puked | no not spam |
| 21:10.18 | jfletcher | http://nopaste.php-q.net/ paste your message there + send the link |
| 21:10.26 | EdLin | puked: use #flood or the paster bot |
| 21:10.26 | Ramattack | is it possible to make a CFLAGS="-mcpu=pentium4 -march=pentium4 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" in debian before ./configure? can this always put? |
| 21:10.32 | Ramattack | helo everybody |
| 21:10.48 | jfletcher | anyone know which repo the jre is in? |
| 21:10.56 | abrotman | in the rules file |
| 21:10.59 | puked | sorry i didnt know. i supposed that i can paste here my problem |
| 21:11.00 | abrotman | jfletcher: which version of debian ? |
| 21:11.02 | stew | jfletcher: which jre? |
| 21:11.05 | jfletcher | abrotman: etch |
| 21:11.12 | EdLin | jfletcher: /msg dpkg java - it's in the /topic |
| 21:11.13 | abrotman | !tell jfletcher about install java |
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| 21:11.22 | psycose | hi |
| 21:11.53 | tuv | jfletcher, unstable |
| 21:11.53 | stew | puked: if thats from a debian install cd, then it looks like it was burned badly |
| 21:11.54 | psycose | if i've blocked the package linux-image-386 to the current version (using synaptic) . does all packages that depend on that kernel version will also be blobked during upgrade ? let's say kernel-header and so on ... ? |
| 21:12.09 | puked | i burned it two times |
| 21:12.13 | puked | with 32 and 16x |
| 21:12.42 | stew | psycose: there are no pacakges that depend on linux-image-386 |
| 21:12.51 | Ramattack | does anybody know something about my question? |
| 21:13.49 | stew | !wikifaq Ramattack DotFiles |
| 21:13.49 | dpkg | Ramattack: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:13.54 | jfletcher | I asked for a repositorie, not a guide of howto |
| 21:13.55 | psycose | stew thanks for your help, my goal is to avoid kernel-image upgrade , that"s why i'm trying to blobk version .. |
| 21:14.03 | jfletcher | and I have the debian non-free, it doesn't seem to be there |
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| 21:14.08 | stew | jfletcher: which jre? suns jre? |
| 21:14.11 | jfletcher | yea |
| 21:14.13 | stew | jfletcher: none |
| 21:14.20 | jfletcher | okay. |
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| 21:14.39 | jfletcher | so chmod +x file.bin && ./file.bin is the only way? |
| 21:14.43 | stew | no |
| 21:14.59 | stew | jfletcher: there are debian ways of doing it, but they would require you to read a guide or howto |
| 21:15.00 | Sniper | Hi guys, i am having a bit of troble compiling a program, can somone help me please |
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| 21:15.09 | EdLin | jfletcher: if you'd read the information you've got from dpkg, you'd realize that java-package in contrib will allow you to make a deb of it |
| 21:15.09 | jfletcher | stew: thats no problem. |
| 21:15.36 | jfletcher | EdLin: I read it. and no it won't, becuase it's not there, I've updated + tryed. |
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| 21:15.43 | jfletcher | if you read my message, you'd know that. |
| 21:15.49 | abrotman | jfletcher: x86? |
| 21:15.52 | jfletcher | yea |
| 21:16.02 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=java-package |
| 21:16.08 | abrotman | hrm .. looks to be there ... |
| 21:16.27 | jfletcher | hm. |
| 21:16.31 | stew | psycose: if you want to prevent a kernel from being automatically upgraded, don't install a linux-image-386 metapacakge, install a specific kernel package, like linux-image-2.6.16-2-486 or something similar |
| 21:16.47 | EdLin | jfletcher: install java-package and use it to make a deb out of a sun-java .bin |
| 21:17.18 | EdLin | jfletcher: it's all spelled out in the how-tos, but if you refuse to read any how-tos, I'm not about to type them in line by line just because you hate reading. |
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| 21:18.10 | jfletcher | EdLin: please don't be stupid. I have the contrib repository, and I've typed the command in and search the synaptic package manager, thats the PROBLEM. not the fact I don't know how to install it. |
| 21:18.14 | Alexismoy | well, I'm in shit :/ all privileges of /var have changed for root:root :/ |
| 21:18.21 | psycose | stew linux-image-2.6.xx-x-486 is also installed and i've block it also ..., thing is i'm administrating a box 12 000 km far from me ... and it run a usb driver for pppoa ... i don't want to loose the internet connection ... |
| 21:18.23 | abrotman | yes .. you are in shit |
| 21:18.51 | abrotman | jfletcher: apt-cache search java-package .. don't use synaptics |
| 21:18.52 | abrotman | erm .. synaptic |
| 21:18.52 | stew | jfletcher: please don't resort to name calling. the questions you have been asking are hard to answer, can you please ask a more specific question about what you are trying to do? |
| 21:18.52 | jfletcher | I did |
| 21:18.52 | Alexismoy | am I obliged to reset privilege manually? |
| 21:18.52 | abrotman | jfletcher: apt-cache policy java-package .. anything ? |
| 21:19.04 | abrotman | Alexismoy: do you know what they were before ? |
| 21:19.16 | Alexismoy | that's the good question :/ |
| 21:19.31 | stew | psycose: if you remove the linux-image-486 package, and just have a specific linux-image-2.6.xx-x-486 package installed, there is no reason a newer kernel package would be installed on you |
| 21:19.45 | Sniper | Can anyone help me compiling a program |
| 21:20.03 | stew | psycose: well a newer version of the debian package of the same kernel version could be installed, so put the 2.6.xx-x-486 package on hold as well if you want to prevent that as well |
| 21:20.09 | stew | Sniper: ask a more specific question |
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| 21:20.48 | Sniper | stew: can you tell me how to compile a program from a .deb file.. |
| 21:21.06 | psycose | stew ok so you advise me to remove the metapackage and to block the version of the current install specifuc package ... |
| 21:21.12 | stew | Sniper: you don't, .debs are pre-compiled. are you asking how you would recompile one? |
| 21:21.18 | stew | psycose: yes |
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| 21:24.10 | Sniper | stew: how do i compile a program which i have unzipped and am left with its folders and ect |
| 21:24.38 | stew | Sniper: that depends on the program. it should have come with a README and/or INSTALL file with instructions |
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| 21:30.40 | luke-jr_work | how do I save iptables? |
| 21:31.29 | abrotman | iptables-save |
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| 21:31.58 | liran_ | abrotman aaaaaa |
| 21:32.16 | liran_ | how was the visit? |
| 21:32.36 | luke-jr_work | abrotman: no init script? |
| 21:32.38 | abrotman | cold, wet, cat-ridden |
| 21:32.48 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
| 21:32.57 | abrotman | i don't mind cats .. my allergies do |
| 21:33.35 | liran_ | ahh |
| 21:33.38 | liran_ | thats awful |
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| 21:34.19 | abrotman | only when your mother believes some crappy wives tale about kittens not creating allergen-laden dander, instead of believing her own son .. duh .. wtf |
| 21:34.28 | luke-jr_work | abrotman: why? that's an awful lot to read just to do something so simple |
| 21:34.29 | pdbogen | I found a package once that will send what I type to multiple computers. (I.e., I have 15 lab computers that are identical, and I want to run a command on all of them simultaneously). |
| 21:34.31 | liran_ | hehe |
| 21:34.40 | liran_ | well at least you got to spend some time with mom i guess :) |
| 21:34.49 | RichiH | abrotman: nice mother, you have ;) |
| 21:34.59 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: because .. that will explain the lack of init script |
| 21:35.01 | luke-jr_work | pdbogen: seen it too |
| 21:35.06 | luke-jr_work | abrotman: which one? |
| 21:35.06 | abrotman | RichiH: she is .. we got to have brats! |
| 21:35.09 | liran_ | pdbogen: yeah i've seen such thing on freshmeat like a few weeks ago |
| 21:35.18 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: are you going to make me go re-read them? :) |
| 21:35.24 | luke-jr_work | abrotman: no |
| 21:35.35 | liran_ | luke-jr_work: its basically iptables-save > init-script and iptables-restore -> read the docs |
| 21:35.40 | pdbogen | ...And here I am, forgetting to ask my question. Does anyone remember the name of that? :) |
| 21:35.43 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: try the README.Debian.gz |
| 21:35.49 | EdLin | luke-jr_work: if you have problems reading, go to #english-teacher, not #debian |
| 21:35.57 | tarzeau | pdbogen: pconsole? |
| 21:35.59 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: and the examples/ directory might be interesting |
| 21:36.02 | liran_ | pdbogen: hold up ill look it |
| 21:36.05 | RichiH | abrotman: you and your mom? |
| 21:36.14 | pdbogen | tarzeau : That looks like it, or close enough for government work, anyway. |
| 21:36.15 | abrotman | RichiH: no .. i actually cooked them .. she bought them |
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| 21:36.23 | RichiH | abrotman: nice |
| 21:36.26 | luke-jr_work | EdLin: #english-teacher has people who read long documents to answer simple questions? :) |
| 21:36.27 | RichiH | peppermint sauce? |
| 21:36.32 | abrotman | RichiH: i'm a nice son .. i made a door for her too :) |
| 21:36.43 | abrotman | and put casters on a table |
| 21:36.44 | pdbogen | luke-jr_work : Yeah, they're called "English majors". |
| 21:36.46 | RichiH | through which you kicked her? ;) |
| 21:36.52 | abrotman | no .. it was for the shed |
| 21:36.55 | luke-jr_work | abrotman: there is no README.Debian.gz or examples... |
| 21:37.01 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: on sarge? |
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| 21:37.09 | luke-jr_work | etch, I think |
| 21:37.21 | EdLin | luke-jr_work: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:37.25 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: uhm .. i don't have an etch box handy .. did you install the iptables package ? |
| 21:37.33 | luke-jr_work | testing/unstable |
| 21:37.36 | luke-jr_work | yes |
| 21:37.44 | tarzeau | abrotman!| |
| 21:37.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: hi |
| 21:38.01 | EdLin | tarzeau: hey tarzeau |
| 21:38.18 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: x86 ? |
| 21:38.21 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:38.21 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:38.24 | luke-jr_work | abrotman: yep |
| 21:38.39 | liran_ | pdbogen: search for tentakel or try these http://freshmeat.net/projects/src/ http://freshmeat.net/projects/dsh/ |
| 21:39.03 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: eh .. weird. . they got rid of it .. |
| 21:39.11 | liran_ | although none of those was the project i saw on freshmeat before, weird |
| 21:39.11 | tarzeau | has anyone worked with enterprise objects? |
| 21:39.32 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: well then .. use iptables-save/iptables-restore to load/unload them i suppose .. |
| 21:39.37 | liran_ | tarzeau: what does that mean enterprise objects? |
| 21:39.41 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: that's just silly :) |
| 21:39.42 | jfletcher | anyone know a non-java gnuttela p2p? |
| 21:39.52 | tarzeau | liran_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_Objects_Framework |
| 21:40.03 | abrotman | jfletcher: apt-cache search gnutella |
| 21:40.15 | luke-jr_work | abrotman: how about loading on boot? :/ |
| 21:40.26 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: you'd use iptables-restore |
| 21:40.32 | luke-jr_work | automatically |
| 21:40.39 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: or one big long script to create them all |
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| 21:40.48 | liran_ | tarzeau: thats too database-related for me to play with :) |
| 21:40.50 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: right .. use /etc/init.d/skeleton .. create your own |
| 21:41.14 | liran_ | luke-jr_work: there's no rc.local if thats what you're trying to understand |
| 21:41.20 | mz_work | i need to do a floppy install to an old laptop w/ cdrom drive - assuming the cdrom drivers work what cdrom would I use to install the rest of the system once the base has been installed via floppy? |
| 21:41.56 | tarzeau | liran_: but you're familiar with objective-c ? |
| 21:41.58 | luke-jr_work | init scripts shouldn't need to be user-modified :( |
| 21:42.28 | Alexismoy | linusk postfix/smtpd[20857]: warning: connect #3 to subsystem private/rewrite: Permission denied |
| 21:42.34 | liran_ | tarzeau: no i dont think i can help you there |
| 21:42.37 | Alexismoy | where is subsystem? |
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| 21:43.09 | liran_ | luke-jr_work: its easy for what you need |
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| 21:43.26 | luke-jr_work | liran_: it shouldn't be necessary for something so obviously useful |
| 21:43.33 | abrotman | file a bug! |
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| 21:43.44 | liran_ | luke-jr_work: there's always redhat for rc.local |
| 21:43.45 | abrotman | Alexismoy: that's because you screwed up the permissions |
| 21:43.51 | abrotman | !rc.local |
| 21:43.52 | dpkg | from memory, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 21:44.13 | liran_ | luke-jr_work: its as easy as 3 simple commands |
| 21:44.14 | luke-jr_work | liran_: or Gentoo for a sane iptables init script |
| 21:44.17 | Alexismoy | abrotman, yes I know, but I want to make them back, and I don't know where to change that |
| 21:44.42 | abrotman | Alexismoy: do you realize how many files are in /var/ ? |
| 21:44.48 | Alexismoy | yes |
| 21:44.54 | Alexismoy | I'm going to work all night |
| 21:45.09 | liran_ | luke-jr_work: ill explain it to you- go to /etc/init.d/ and create a bash executable file, put in it the command you want to run on boot, then with update-rc.d update your regular rc*.d files |
| 21:45.41 | luke-jr_work | liran_: and that takes care of the start/stop/restart switch? |
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| 21:45.56 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 21:46.04 | liran_ | luke-jr_work: there's no switch. it'll just what you told it to do in the script |
| 21:46.18 | abrotman | there's a skeleton file that kind of spells it out for you |
| 21:46.21 | Alexismoy | if someone with a stable system (debian stable) car make a list of /var (with permissions) to help me? :/ |
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| 21:47.39 | luke-jr_work | liran_: $1 is start/stop/restart |
| 21:47.56 | liran_ | luke-jr_work: dude just read the docs |
| 21:48.11 | liran_ | Alexismoy: i can for debian unstable if you're willing to wait until tomorrow morning |
| 21:48.26 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:48.36 | luke-jr_work | liran_: the point is that it should be standardly installed w/ iptables, not custom writ |
| 21:48.53 | Alexismoy | liran_, It's a stable I need, and I'm not joking :) I need that :) |
| 21:49.13 | liran_ | hehe |
| 21:49.29 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: the docs used to explain why there wasn't one |
| 21:49.30 | azeem | Alexismoy: debootstrap stable in a chroot and check there |
| 21:49.32 | liran_ | stable... unstable... it's all the same |
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| 21:49.42 | sputnik | lo folks |
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| 21:49.52 | sputnik | what is the correct cpu speed daemon for a intel core duo? |
| 21:50.02 | abrotman | a playing card |
| 21:50.05 | cydork | Alexismoy, what does your ll /var/mail -d say? |
| 21:50.06 | abrotman | stick it in the spokes! |
| 21:50.19 | abrotman | cydork: not everyone has 'll' |
| 21:50.29 | cydork | abrotman, damn i for get |
| 21:50.30 | cydork | :) |
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| 21:50.42 | cydork | s/for get/forget |
| 21:51.28 | cydork | Alexismoy, use ls -ld /var/mail |
| 21:51.37 | Alexismoy | drwxrwsr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-09-04 21:02 /var/mail/ |
| 21:52.42 | abrotman | root:mail |
| 21:52.42 | cydork | Alexismoy, change the group to mail, i guess then you have to change permissions for user maildirs under that. |
| 21:52.42 | Alexismoy | azeem, yes for debootstrap, but I was looking for a debian stable box with (amavis, clamav, ...etc ;) |
| 21:53.02 | liran_ | Alexismoy: im running that setup myself, its exactly the same as abrotman and cydork said: root:mail |
| 21:53.05 | Alexismoy | cydork, for the maidirs, change are done |
| 21:53.29 | cydork | Alexismoy, change it for the mail dir then |
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| 21:53.39 | Alexismoy | done :) |
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| 21:53.47 | mezoko | HI |
| 21:53.49 | mezoko | I have openssh installed on my ubuntu server, but when I press the backspace key in a ssh'd sessiont to my server the backspace key takes the default of the del key |
| 21:54.08 | cydork | mezoko, join #ubuntu for help regarding that |
| 21:54.27 | Alexismoy | I'v got access to 2 others debian stable box, but they don't have everything like me |
| 21:54.28 | mezoko | cydork, unfortantly no one in ubuntu can help me |
| 21:54.34 | Alexismoy | (not amavis for exemple) |
| 21:54.35 | tarzeau | !they don't know |
| 21:54.36 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 21:54.54 | mezoko | I have tried google |
| 21:55.00 | mezoko | I wish I didn't have to use ubuntu on my server |
| 21:55.04 | tarzeau | !utsl |
| 21:55.05 | dpkg | i heard utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
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| 21:55.13 | tarzeau | mezoko: who forces you? |
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| 21:55.39 | liran_ | tarzeau: its those people on the cover |
| 21:55.53 | liran_ | tarzeau: there's that lady there... im telling you she's evil that one |
| 21:55.54 | tarzeau | liran_: cover? |
| 21:55.54 | mezoko | tarzeau, the fact that, debian does not have up to date packages, I can't stand rpms, and gentoo just wouldn't work well on my server |
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| 21:56.07 | tarzeau | mezoko: oh certainly it has |
| 21:56.15 | liran_ | tarzeau: yeah their cd covers... dude you're so out of the loop :) |
| 21:56.21 | tarzeau | mezoko: what about freebsd? |
| 21:56.23 | pdbogen | BTW, FWIW, consolessh/cssh is what I was looking for. |
| 21:56.30 | tarzeau | liran_: yuck, those are so ugyl |
| 21:56.34 | liran_ | tarzeau: haha |
| 21:56.35 | dan2 | abrotman: want to see a flagship model of statistics? |
| 21:56.38 | cydork | mezoko, ubuntu for servers? |
| 21:56.41 | tarzeau | liran_: every www.playboy.com cover is better |
| 21:56.49 | tarzeau | cydork: yeah, hilarious |
| 21:56.51 | liran_ | mezoko: you can work with debian unstable and have bleeding edge packages as well |
| 21:56.52 | mezoko | tarzeau, I tried freebsd but with my lack of understanding how freebsd works trying to have it work it taugh |
| 21:56.52 | cydork | tarzeau, i agree |
| 21:57.07 | stew | liran_: unstable is not appropriate on a server |
| 21:57.16 | tarzeau | stew: depends what server it is |
| 21:57.18 | jfletcher | stew: depends. |
| 21:57.21 | liran_ | stew: nonsense, my servers are all running that |
| 21:57.24 | abrotman | dan2: not now .. i'm going home! |
| 21:57.27 | liran_ | stew: you just need to know the trick |
| 21:57.29 | mezoko | Ok I have a home server |
| 21:57.31 | liran_ | stew: there's a trick! |
| 21:57.38 | stew | ok |
| 21:57.39 | mezoko | which does ftp, apache, samba, cups |
| 21:57.47 | liran_ | stew: you never ever ever do apt-get upgrade :) |
| 21:57.48 | abrotman | put the question on one line! |
| 21:57.53 | tarzeau | liran_: hahaha |
| 21:58.01 | stew | liran_: and you have security vulnerabilities! |
| 21:58.02 | tarzeau | liran_: THAT is not the great trick |
| 21:58.06 | stew | mezoko: what packages from stable are too far out of date for you? |
| 21:58.08 | tarzeau | stew: not if you do it right |
| 21:58.10 | cydork | liran_, there are no security upgrades for unstable |
| 21:58.11 | liran_ | man its the best trick ever |
| 21:58.15 | streuner | only insane people or people who knows debian very well running unstable on a server. |
| 21:58.18 | lowlevel | meh, Igotta get this nvidia card working |
| 21:58.19 | tarzeau | stew: besides you can also have those with stable |
| 21:58.21 | stew | tarzeau: by compiling from source? |
| 21:58.22 | mezoko | stew, that main one was samba |
| 21:58.24 | abrotman | cydork: there are .. but not in the regular sense |
| 21:58.26 | liran_ | stew: yeah im just joking :) |
| 21:58.41 | tarzeau | stew: or by using the updates in sid (or doing them yourself) |
| 21:58.45 | cydork | abrotman, huh? |
| 21:58.49 | liran_ | stew: but seriously im usually deploying unstable, i cant help it |
| 21:58.50 | stew | tarzeau: he said without running apt-get |
| 21:58.55 | abrotman | cydork: they go in when new packages go in |
| 21:59.05 | stew | mezoko: you can install samba from backports : /msg dpkg bpo |
| 21:59.07 | luke-jr_work | stable lacks too many necessities |
| 21:59.23 | cydork | abrotman, ohh that ways. but still it's not eough to put them on servers. |
| 21:59.42 | streuner | luke-jr_work: there is always bpo :-) |
| 21:59.52 | tarzeau | cydork: yes it is |
| 21:59.59 | luke-jr_work | streuner: that makes it *tolerable*, not nice =p |
| 22:00.03 | bofh80 | here's a good moment to actually bitch about all the missing packages from the highly anticipated ETCH ffs. no testing packages for too many apps. very strange. sometimes, even when the stable and unstable versions are hte same, still no testing package. insane. |
| 22:00.05 | mezoko | stables is to out of date though like php4 common I wanna learn 5 |
| 22:00.06 | tarzeau | cydork: but then it really depends on the software and the bug and and and |
| 22:00.25 | stew | mezoko: you can install php5 from bpo as well |
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| 22:00.44 | luke-jr_work | Debian should replace non-free with bpo =p |
| 22:00.51 | mezoko | and thats gonna work with all the older packages? |
| 22:00.54 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: huh? |
| 22:00.59 | stew | mezoko: yes, that is the point of backports |
| 22:01.00 | luke-jr_work | mezoko: that's what bpo is for... |
| 22:01.09 | cydork | tarzeau, ya but still i wont risk my servers on that. most of them will be on stable :) |
| 22:01.10 | luke-jr_work | tarzeau: drop non-free and officially support bpo |
| 22:01.27 | [TechGuy] | Minor annoyance: Whenever I exit aptitude, or start to install a package set (e.g. when it drops out of curses mode into plain text), aptitude doesn't clear the terminal, so I end up getting messages overlaid of previous terminal activity. Ideas? |
| 22:01.28 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: drop non-free, and contrib. |
| 22:01.41 | mezoko | I suppose I can do that when christmas break comes along |
| 22:01.41 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: support bpo??? BUT WHY? |
| 22:01.54 | bofh80 | ohh that looks nice. lol. |
| 22:02.07 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: better would be to release regularly (ever year) |
| 22:02.15 | dondelelcaro | [TechGuy]: you probably won't get that if you run clear; aptitude; when you start aptitude |
| 22:02.21 | dondelelcaro | [TechGuy]: I personally don't see that issue here, though. |
| 22:02.32 | dondelelcaro | (could also be specific to your aptitude version |
| 22:02.35 | luke-jr_work | tarzeau: maybe, but still drop non-free ;) |
| 22:02.50 | [TechGuy] | BRB... Let me see if it shows up over console. Could be an SSH terminal thing |
| 22:02.55 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: sure, i agree on having non-free/contrib at some non debian.org place |
| 22:02.58 | bofh80 | where's my linux serious sam 2 :( :) |
| 22:03.17 | stew | [TechGuy]: or try a different terminal emulator |
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| 22:03.46 | chenzrescue | hmm, my unstable installation i s badly broken |
| 22:03.52 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 22:03.52 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 22:04.07 | cydork | tarzeau, see what i mean ;) |
| 22:04.14 | tarzeau | cydork: HIS fault |
| 22:04.18 | tarzeau | cydork: MY unstable isn't broken |
| 22:04.19 | chenzrescue | after rebooting, certain drivers don't load correctly (ppp, snd -) |
| 22:04.29 | liran_ | mine isn't broken either :P |
| 22:04.30 | tarzeau | chenzrescue: what did you do exactly? |
| 22:04.37 | tarzeau | cydork: see what i mean? |
| 22:04.54 | stew | chenzrescue: do you mean they aren't loaded automatically when they used to be? or that there is an error when loading them? |
| 22:04.54 | cydork | tarzeau, mine isn't also this is sid. but on my laptop :P |
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| 22:05.03 | chenzrescue | i did not real |
| 22:05.10 | chenzrescue | ly do anything ;-) |
| 22:05.14 | liran_ | i got to a point where i filter employee candidates over which distribution they're using |
| 22:05.26 | azeem | chenzrescue: you rebooted |
| 22:05.31 | cr3 | my cdrom is no longer being automounted in etch, might the problem be with udev or perhaps something else? |
| 22:05.38 | chenzrescue | drivers are loaded without error messages, but for examples no entries in /dev or /proc are created |
| 22:05.42 | liran_ | like this one guy is telling me "im using mostly centos" and the interview is basically over at that point |
| 22:05.48 | stew | cr3: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:05.50 | [TechGuy] | dondelelcaro: Yeah... Stupid terminal emulation setting set to xterm in putty instead of linux |
| 22:06.03 | cydork | well gotta go, too sleepy *yawn* |
| 22:06.13 | azeem | chenzrescue: does lsmod indicate they are loaded? |
| 22:06.15 | liran_ | and another one is telling me his not running linux on his personal home computer but windows so i'm like "ok, this interview is over as soon as possible" |
| 22:06.16 | chenzrescue | foexample alsa and ppp do not work, but i can start X just fine |
| 22:06.24 | [TechGuy] | dondelelcaro: Why I'm too dense to immediately think of that I dunno. Must be an engineer thing. Never look at the obvious. :P |
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| 22:06.26 | stew | chenzrescue: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:06.27 | azeem | chenzrescue: which devices do you expect? |
| 22:06.42 | cr3 | stew: 2.6.15-26-386 |
| 22:06.47 | stew | does udev 0.100 need a newer than 2.6.15 kernel? i haven't checked yet |
| 22:06.50 | cr3 | stew: crap, is there a known problem in the kernel |
| 22:07.02 | stew | cr3: you are running dapper? |
| 22:07.17 | liran_ | yeah thats a dapper kernel probably |
| 22:07.28 | liran_ | and the lastest if im not mistaken |
| 22:07.35 | cr3 | stew: dapper as host, etch as guest |
| 22:07.40 | azeem | guest? |
| 22:07.57 | chenzrescue | azeem: for example /dev/snd... and /dev/ppp |
| 22:08.01 | liran_ | azeem: im assuming vmware/xen/ |
| 22:08.09 | azeem | let's not assume |
| 22:08.10 | cr3 | I'm not making any sense anymore, sorry about that: I'm using vmware but that shouldn't affect anything, should it? |
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| 22:08.39 | azeem | in vmware the guest should run its own kernel, no? |
| 22:08.55 | cr3 | stew: I tried using udevmonitor -e to determine if events were being dispatched when inserting a CD, but nothing came out |
| 22:09.04 | cr3 | azeem: yep |
| 22:09.16 | azeem | cr3: so which kernel are you running in the guestß? |
| 22:09.57 | benjamindees | is there some reason that dd would not be able to remove the dynamic drive overlay 'feature' from a western digital hard drive? |
| 22:10.00 | stew | cr3: what version of udev and hal do you have installed? |
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| 22:11.00 | secher_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.35 | Sixshoot | does anyone know if debian-31r3-i386-netinst.iso installer have support for SATA hard drives? |
| 22:11.40 | cr3 | azeem: aha, 2.6.17 |
| 22:11.55 | xorl | I think i screwed myself partitioning. |
| 22:11.58 | stew | cr3: ok, which os is having the problem? debian or ubuntu? |
| 22:12.09 | xorl | I need to not be lazy and check my partitioning scheme. |
| 22:12.10 | liran_ | Sixshoot: i think it doesnt |
| 22:12.12 | cr3 | stew: both |
| 22:12.16 | xorl | Auto partition partitioned / at 250 mb |
| 22:12.17 | xorl | lol |
| 22:12.37 | liran_ | xorl: thats awful |
| 22:12.37 | stew | Sixshoot: it has limited support. it is recommended that you use type "linux26" at the boot: prompt to use the 2.6 kernel |
| 22:12.44 | epsilon | 250MB can be enough |
| 22:12.46 | xorl | I want to expand it. |
| 22:12.54 | cr3 | stew: udev 0.100-1 hal 0.5.7.1-1 |
| 22:13.01 | liran_ | 250MB is never enough :) |
| 22:13.03 | stew | cr3: what does "uname -r" say in the debian os? |
| 22:13.11 | epsilon | if you have additional partition, yes |
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| 22:13.15 | Sixshoot | ok |
| 22:13.17 | [TechGuy] | 640k is enough |
| 22:13.21 | xorl | epsilon: I have the rest of the partitioned laid out :) |
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| 22:13.30 | xorl | all devided. |
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| 22:15.23 | liran_ | ok i think im off to bed |
| 22:15.38 | liran_ | 'night everyone |
| 22:15.59 | chenzrescue | azeem/help |
| 22:15.59 | enouf | benjamindees: I don't see why not |
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| 22:17.34 | azeem | chenzrescue: 23:58 < azeem> chenzrescue: does lsmod indicate they are loaded? |
| 22:18.24 | chenzrescue | azeem: yes, they are shown |
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| 22:18.55 | chenzrescue | azeem: the odd thing is that not all drivers are affected |
| 22:19.04 | azeem | chenzrescue: what does lsmod | grep snd say? |
| 22:19.19 | benjamindees | enouf, everything I found says this beast lives in the MBR, but it's basically zeroed and it keeps coming back |
| 22:19.36 | azeem | chenzrescue: are you running unstableß |
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| 22:20.08 | chenzrescue | azeem: yes, unstable |
| 22:20.22 | enouf | benjamindees: what's the dd command you used ? |
| 22:20.26 | azeem | chenzrescue: make sure sysv-rc is updated |
| 22:20.49 | chenzrescue | it is, i apt-get dist-upgraded successfully before rebooting |
| 22:21.06 | chenzrescue | but afterwards the problem appeared |
| 22:22.16 | chenzrescue | azeem: I can't confirm now about the snd modules (running from a rescue cd now) |
| 22:22.33 | chenzrescue | azeem: but i can definitly confirm this for ppp |
| 22:22.49 | chenzrescue | azeem: all modules where correctly loaded (ie the same as on the rescue system) |
| 22:23.10 | chenzrescue | azeem: but /dev/ppp was not created, and therefore pppd won't start |
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| 22:24.05 | benjamindees | enouf, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 |
| 22:24.28 | enouf | benjamindees: Are you trying to preserve other parts of the HDD ??(data/partitions and such ?) |
| 22:24.41 | Mike-kayaker | I have just installed etch on my new lapy,,All is mint but audio has a crackle in it? |
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| 22:25.05 | Mike-kayaker | I have run alsaconf |
| 22:25.22 | benjamindees | enouf, no |
| 22:25.28 | enouf | benjamindees: ONLY if you're wiping the whole disk try 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=64' ..Make Absolutely sure that the 'hda' is the correct drive |
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| 22:28.05 | Supaplex | I've had one close call with dd. and it's ONE TOO MANY. :) had backups tho, so whew' |
| 22:28.21 | benjamindees | enouf, done |
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| 22:29.24 | enouf | benjamindees: then check using 'dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=64 | xxd to make sure they're all zeros |
| 22:29.47 | benjamindees | k |
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| 22:31.25 | ion_bidon | hello, anyone can give me a hint about compiling for amd64 on i386 ? |
| 22:31.27 | benjamindees | I don't think I have xxd and hexedit doesn't like opening that big of a file in 8 megs of ram |
| 22:31.36 | enouf | benjamindees: can you tell me exactly what you mean by "it keeps coming back"? I mean you should have no problems installing Debian at this point - is that when you see it ? ...during installation ? |
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| 22:32.07 | Sixshoot | is there a debian installer that does support SATA hd's? i just tried "linux26" boot option, still no luck |
| 22:32.17 | benjamindees | enouf, well my hd controller doesn't even recognize the drive |
| 22:32.20 | Sixshoot | does sid or etch support it? |
| 22:32.52 | enouf | benjamindees: well you an install xxd - but whatever ...it's done - I'm not sure which pkg xxd is in - let me apt-file search it |
| 22:33.05 | benjamindees | enouf, it's okay I can find it |
| 22:33.06 | enouf | you can* install |
| 22:33.09 | stew | Sixshoot: you can use the beta etch installer, or you can use an unofficial sarge installer that users the same kernel as the etch installer recompiled for sarge |
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| 22:33.44 | enouf | benjamindees: because your HDD controller is not found, is why you think the old DDO software is still there ?? |
| 22:33.47 | stew | Sixshoot: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer for etch or "/msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16" |
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| 22:35.01 | ion_bidon | or maybe a cross compiler for amd64 |
| 22:35.19 | benjamindees | enouf, no, the old DDO software is still there because it appears every time I boot |
| 22:35.28 | benjamindees | enouf, (on a different machine) |
| 22:35.31 | Sixshoot | stew: alright. i'll give the etch netinstall a try. have a good feeling about it recognizing SATA? |
| 22:35.52 | benjamindees | enouf, on the machine I want to install it on, the hd controller just fails to recognize the drive |
| 22:35.52 | stew | Sixshoot: sure |
| 22:36.11 | tuv | Sixshoot, you'll like it :) |
| 22:36.29 | benjamindees | enouf, I haven't even gotten to installing Debian yet |
| 22:36.29 | Sixshoot | that's what i like to hear guys :) |
| 22:36.36 | stew | Sixshoot: what are you going to be using the box for? etch is not well suited to a production box or a internet facing server |
| 22:36.40 | enouf | benjamindees: well ...try it again now that we dd'ed it - ...and so does the BIOS see it ? |
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| 22:37.13 | benjamindees | enouf, the onboard controller is fried, so no the BIOS doesn't tell me anything |
| 22:37.15 | enouf | benjamindees: well ...try it again now on the box that recognizes the drive |
| 22:37.38 | enouf | benjamindees: so ... what's then plan stan :-p |
| 22:37.47 | enouf | the* |
| 22:37.48 | Sixshoot | nothing production-wise. just desktop with some small development. i've got etch on this laptop right now, hopefully my desktop will run just as smoothly. i do plan on setting up virtual windows on there though. not sure if that would complicate things though |
| 22:38.35 | benjamindees | enouf, the box that recognizes the drive only has 8 megs of ram, and yes the DDO still comes up |
| 22:39.16 | benjamindees | I guess I'm going to have to install freedos, then install the WD crap utilities to get rid of this |
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| 22:40.18 | enouf | benjamindees: something's amuck for sure ... I can't say for certtain that it would be wiped entirely - but it should've been AFAIK ... there's always the WDD utils for writing zeros to the entire disk |
| 22:40.52 | enouf | benjamindees: you Could just expand the dd command to do the entire disk .. |
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| 22:41.38 | benjamindees | enouf, that's what I did to begin with |
| 22:42.15 | enouf | benjamindees: then it's coming from somewhere else - like another HDD - or built into the BIOS or some shit |
| 22:42.34 | enouf | benjamindees: What do you see at bootup? |
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| 22:42.48 | benjamindees | the blue Western Digital DDO thingy |
| 22:43.09 | enouf | benjamindees: what's the size of the HDD? |
| 22:43.10 | benjamindees | there's a cdrom plugged in, but the BIOS is an eprom |
| 22:43.15 | benjamindees | ~600 megs |
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| 22:43.36 | enouf | benjamindees: oh goodness ... that's an oldie - hehe |
| 22:43.50 | Guerin | 540MB shouldn't need an overlay |
| 22:44.05 | Guerin | but regardless, dd zeros over the whole drive should solve this |
| 22:44.07 | enouf | benjamindees: that's so old - you may need to Low-Level format that puppy |
| 22:44.11 | Guerin | it did with my 1080 drive here |
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| 22:44.25 | Guerin | dd is as good as low-level format |
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| 22:44.34 | benjamindees | I swear to god, I've zeroed the drive, the overlay is still there |
| 22:44.42 | Guerin | benjamindees: is there a jumper? |
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| 22:44.49 | benjamindees | hmm |
| 22:44.49 | Quickimaster | hello |
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| 22:45.25 | Quickimaster | when i use apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 where is php located after that? |
| 22:45.31 | Quickimaster | i need the location for a cron |
| 22:46.00 | enouf | Guerin: undeerstood - but newer disks use Zoned-bit recording tech though (hence writing zeros) - the tech is diff than with older disks - one really can't low-level format a new type of disk |
| 22:46.18 | stew | Quickimaster: "dpkg -L packagename" will list its contents; what is the cron going to do though? it won't be able to run php scripts if that is what you have in mind |
| 22:46.25 | benjamindees | Guerin, no jumper |
| 22:46.41 | Quickimaster | that is what it should doe stew |
| 22:46.43 | Quickimaster | :S |
| 22:46.53 | Quickimaster | that is what it should do stew |
| 22:46.57 | stew | Quickimaster: you want to install php4-cli then |
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| 22:47.20 | Quickimaster | if that is enough to also use it for apache2 |
| 22:47.30 | rudenstam | eepro100 vs. e100 .. what to use ? |
| 22:47.36 | stew | Quickimaster: you want both installed it sounds like |
| 22:48.15 | Quickimaster | done, lets try it (i would like php5, but that isn't supported yet with apt-get |
| 22:48.16 | Quickimaster | ) |
| 22:48.51 | Quickimaster | and mysql now don't work with php4-cli and with the other it works great :( |
| 22:50.07 | stew | Quickimaster: make sure you have "extension=mysql.so" in /etc/php4/cli/php.ini |
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| 22:52.15 | chenz | azeem: i got it to work! |
| 22:52.56 | chenz | azeem: turns out that udevd was not running due to the recent init script issues |
| 22:53.49 | EdLin | !udev |
| 22:53.49 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=383555 |
| 22:54.04 | EdLin | phoey, they took out the joke |
| 22:54.10 | benjamindees | well I unplugged the cdrom and the DDO doesn't apear now |
| 22:54.47 | simonrvn | this shooting brings back memories of the last school shooting here. i was working at the uni. where it happened. was coming back from lunch, and then i see all these people standing outside. i ask in a low voice one of the people there, and they tell me a prof had shot some people. my jaw dropped... |
| 22:54.50 | Guerin | hah |
| 22:55.05 | Guerin | simonrvn: holy shit |
| 22:55.47 | simonrvn | still getting conflicting stories... so far i've heard only 1 person is dead, and 6 critical, and 14 others from stable to serious |
| 22:55.49 | simonrvn | the dead person is the shooter |
| 22:56.12 | simonrvn | this might change as more info comes in |
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| 22:56.23 | Guerin | a lot of students are going to get terms accredited |
| 22:56.23 | rzr | simonrvn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_College_Shooting |
| 22:56.29 | simonrvn | heavy shit D: |
| 22:56.33 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 22:56.41 | sussi | what about the apt-build way to integrate some unstable packages |
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| 22:58.33 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 22:58.37 | asim | how can i delete cookies (lynx) |
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| 22:59.31 | simonrvn | not in the man page? |
| 22:59.41 | asim | nope |
| 22:59.43 | asim | not that i see |
| 22:59.58 | Quickimaster | nice: Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client (using apt-get for mysql and php4-cli) :( |
| 23:00.08 | simonrvn | sec, i'll check too, second pair of eyes and all that |
| 23:00.18 | asim | ok |
| 23:00.44 | stew | Quickimaster: what version of mysql-server are you trying to connect to? |
| 23:00.52 | simonrvn | "If none is specified, the default value is ~/.lynx_cookies " |
| 23:01.03 | simonrvn | easy to find ;) |
| 23:01.11 | Quickimaster | MySQL 5.0.20a-standard |
| 23:01.26 | asim | bash: cd: /root/.lynx_cookies: No such file or directory |
| 23:01.38 | asim | also tried it on a normal user |
| 23:01.54 | simonrvn | did they get saved, or refused or something? |
| 23:02.09 | asim | lynx asks me to accept them, and i selected ALWAYS |
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| 23:02.22 | baikonur | hi |
| 23:02.22 | Quickimaster | i can make a work around i guess |
| 23:02.35 | stew | Quickimaster: yeah, you'd have to install libmysqlclient15off from backports.org to connect there, /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 23:02.56 | stew | Quickimaster: which is probably going to require you to upgrade to php5 from backports.org as well |
| 23:02.56 | simonrvn | hmm.. find ~/ -iname '*cookie*' ? |
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| 23:03.05 | stew | !cookie simonrvn |
| 23:03.23 | Quickimaster | stew using the web it works, only on the command line not |
| 23:03.27 | baikonur | it seems when using gdm .bash_profile is not used so that PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}" does not work. How can I add ~/bin to path using gdm? |
| 23:03.41 | Quickimaster | so i make an extra page that opens the page on the web and it should work i guess |
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| 23:03.49 | stew | huh? |
| 23:03.58 | Quickimaster | i have 2 times php installed |
| 23:04.11 | rzr | better than none |
| 23:04.17 | Zesty | If I have a binary package installed from apt repositories, then compile a source page, and then install that package, will all the modules installed previously on the binary work with the source? |
| 23:04.22 | Quickimaster | php4-cli and php5 with apache2 (also using apt-get) |
| 23:04.29 | Zesty | s/page/package |
| 23:04.36 | simonrvn | baikonur: better to specify full path |
| 23:04.41 | stew | Quickimaster: php4 and php5 should be conflicting, where did you install php5 from? |
| 23:04.50 | asim | simonrvn: nothing |
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| 23:05.02 | simonrvn | file bug? |
| 23:05.33 | stew | !conflicts libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 23:05.42 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php5: libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 23:06.31 | sussi | Zesty: for that use apt-buid |
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| 23:06.45 | Quickimaster | stew i did both install using apt-get |
| 23:07.32 | Quickimaster | apt-get install [apache2] [libapache2-mod-php4] [mysql] [phpmyadmin] [php4-cli] |
| 23:07.34 | Quickimaster | and it works |
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| 23:07.46 | Quickimaster | buth apache only uses php5 so it works |
| 23:08.08 | simonrvn | um, both apache2 and apache can use mod-php5 |
| 23:08.31 | stew | simonrvn: but you cannot have bot libapache2-mod-php4 and libapache2-mod-php5 installed |
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| 23:08.37 | stew | ^bot^both |
| 23:08.42 | simonrvn | not talking about that ;) |
| 23:08.46 | stew | Quickimaster: how did you install php5? |
| 23:08.51 | stew | simonrvn: he seems to be |
| 23:09.22 | stew | Quickimaster: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 libapache2-mod-php5" into a pastebin? |
| 23:09.36 | simonrvn | well, they conflict, for good reason too :). so he should make up his mind |
| 23:09.38 | Quickimaster | stew i only did say what i did (probably php5 was still on the server because off something earlier) |
| 23:09.59 | streuner | Quickimaster: sources.list wouldn't be bad too :-) |
| 23:10.11 | keko_ | how i can install all apache2 php ssl etc in my serv ?? |
| 23:10.13 | baikonur | simonrvn: that's the way it is in .bash_profile by default |
| 23:10.25 | stew | simonrvn: if you get the output of apt-cache policy, why do you need sources.list, since it contains the info in sources together with the pinning |
| 23:10.33 | simonrvn | on phone |
| 23:10.40 | Zesty | Thanks sussi, I'll take a look. |
| 23:11.02 | stew | keko_: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 23:11.24 | streuner | stew: you should know better |
| 23:11.43 | stew | Quickimaster: please use a pastebin |
| 23:11.44 | sussi | apt-build install --force-yes --reinstall package |
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| 23:12.04 | Quickimaster | streuner the sources.list isn't standard (i only added 1 line that was needed for something else) |
| 23:12.16 | streuner | hah |
| 23:12.22 | stew | http://debian.pcextreme.nl sarge/unofficial Packages |
| 23:12.28 | Quickimaster | but now it works |
| 23:12.28 | streuner | here we go :-) |
| 23:12.40 | stew | Quickimaster: please put the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 libapache2-mod-php5" into a pastebin |
| 23:12.42 | Quickimaster | using an other method |
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| 23:13.45 | streuner | Why people sometimes use unofficial sources _and_ different branches to get headaches? |
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| 23:14.09 | streuner | Didn't "bobbitt" says all what could happen? :-) |
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| 23:14.42 | zaphands | hello! How can I know if everything I need can be found on the isos? |
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| 23:14.43 | Quickimaster | pastebin.com isn't working properly so i couldn't use that |
| 23:14.45 | webfreak | use #flood then |
| 23:14.46 | keko_ | how i can reconfigure my php5 |
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| 23:14.52 | stew | streuner: there is no reeson to think he used another branch, and if he needs to connection to mysql5 he must use unofficial sources |
| 23:15.05 | stew | keko_: edit files in /etc/php5/ |
| 23:15.06 | bencreekmore | having trouble using cd-rw and dvd+rw... in k3b |
| 23:15.31 | abrotman | !tell zaphands about cd contents |
| 23:15.32 | bencreekmore | /etc/apt/sources.list... anyone have any up-to-date sources? |
| 23:15.34 | streuner | stew: sure, as long we didn't see his sources.list ;-) |
| 23:15.45 | abrotman | bencreekmore: what makes you think yours are wrong ? |
| 23:15.53 | xorl | hmm |
| 23:16.32 | Quickimaster | but now it works, using php4-cli to open a php file that opens an other file using fopen and that file is doing the connection to the database (i only needed php from the command line to start a cron) |
| 23:17.34 | streuner | stew: seeing sources.list is mostly helpful, from my experience |
| 23:18.27 | streuner | s/mostly/in most cases/ |
| 23:18.39 | stew | streuner: i did |
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| 23:18.43 | stew | streuner: he /msged them to me |
| 23:21.00 | Guerin | yay! |
| 23:21.12 | Guerin | my hp deskjet 530c worked first time with cups! |
| 23:21.17 | Guerin | s/5/9/ |
| 23:21.18 | streuner | heh |
| 23:21.58 | streuner | well, you did it, next time you have rather less problems |
| 23:22.06 | Guerin | well |
| 23:22.23 | Guerin | that's true for *this* printer, arguably the most common printer in the history of the world |
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| 23:23.25 | abrotman | laserjet3! |
| 23:23.31 | thejnaitor | hey folks. Is anybody available to answer a question about bind 9 options for me please? |
| 23:23.47 | abrotman | just ask .. or ask #bind or #dns |
| 23:23.50 | Guerin | !asktoask |
| 23:24.00 | abrotman | !ask to ask |
| 23:24.01 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
| 23:24.02 | thejnaitor | hehe... k |
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| 23:24.55 | thejnaitor | Does anybody know what the size value is for the max-cache-size option in named.conf.options ? |
| 23:25.03 | thejnaitor | for example, if I set it to 1, is that 1 kb or 1 MB? |
| 23:25.23 | Guerin | thejnaitor: no idea. The bind manual probably tells you |
| 23:25.35 | abrotman | the bind-arm |
| 23:25.57 | Alexismoy | how to connect on ftp wich mysql account? pam_mysql |
| 23:25.58 | Alexismoy | ? |
| 23:26.02 | thejnaitor | ok thanks... I'll try looking there again |
| 23:26.30 | abrotman | thejnaitor: do you have the BIND-ARM there? |
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| 23:26.37 | abrotman | thejnaitor: i think it's also online |
| 23:26.45 | thejnaitor | yeah... I'm looking at it online |
| 23:26.56 | thejnaitor | I didn't see anywhere that it specifically told me what the size was |
| 23:27.05 | thejnaitor | just tells you what the command is to limit it, afaict |
| 23:27.54 | abrotman | admittedly .. i'm not sure it matters unless it also tells you how much KB/MB each cached item takes up |
| 23:28.27 | thejnaitor | ahh ok |
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| 23:29.02 | abrotman | thejnaitor: does it tell you such things ? |
| 23:29.03 | thejnaitor | thanks for the help... I'll do some more digging and see what I can find |
| 23:29.11 | thejnaitor | I don't think so |
| 23:29.19 | thejnaitor | it says this: [ max-cache-size size_spec ; ] |
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| 23:30.06 | thejnaitor | and doesn't specify what size_spec is |
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| 23:30.06 | thejnaitor | hehe |
| 23:30.07 | abrotman | thejnaitor: it appears that you can specify |
| 23:30.07 | abrotman | as in 20M etc |
| 23:30.07 | thejnaitor | oh |
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| 23:30.08 | thejnaitor | ok cool... I'll give that a shot |
| 23:30.10 | abrotman | http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch7/hkpng.html |
| 23:30.39 | thejnaitor | ahh... size in bytes |
| 23:30.43 | thejnaitor | great... thanks! |
| 23:30.45 | abrotman | thejnaitor: i expect you'll have to alter that size .. you'll have to monitor it |
| 23:30.58 | abrotman | thejnaitor: but you can do 20k or 20000 or 20M or 20000000 |
| 23:31.23 | thejnaitor | ok... that's nice of it to make it so easy |
| 23:31.30 | thejnaitor | I figured it would be more difficult... hehe |
| 23:31.40 | abrotman | see .. google is useful .. i don't care what Guerin says |
| 23:31.47 | thejnaitor | lol |
| 23:31.50 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:32.41 | streuner | reminds for the cmd: (fgi) :-) |
| 23:33.21 | w3rdn4 | cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 10) [for thread -1210689856, from thread -1210689856] (1: Operation not permitted) |
| 23:33.21 | w3rdn4 | cannot create engine |
| 23:33.36 | thejnaitor | oh wow... I guess the first time I tried to limit the cache size I put MB rather than M... haha... silly me |
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| 23:34.22 | dan2 | google is the most useful thing in the world next to electricity |
| 23:34.37 | streuner | true |
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| 23:36.11 | streuner | Its unbelievable how some people could live without getting infos from the web |
| 23:36.37 | w3rdn4 | Any ides why I get that error in qjackctl? |
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| 23:37.35 | streuner | !find qjackctl |
| 23:38.06 | streuner | w3rdn4: on a wild guess, you're using unstable? |
| 23:38.09 | streuner | or testing |
| 23:38.45 | w3rdn4 | streuner, CVS sources |
| 23:38.55 | w3rdn4 | for qjackctl |
| 23:39.00 | w3rdn4 | unstable debian |
| 23:39.44 | w3rdn4 | checking whether QTDIR environment variable is set... no |
| 23:39.44 | w3rdn4 | configure: error: QTDIR must be properly set. |
| 23:39.50 | w3rdn4 | where is the QTDIR in debian? |
| 23:40.15 | streuner | libqt*-dev |
| 23:40.34 | streuner | depends which package you have installed... |
| 23:40.47 | simonrvn | it looks in various dirs first |
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| 23:43.05 | Mike-kayaker | I have got sound but it keeps repeating?,,on a new laptop,etch |
| 23:43.15 | elriah | Hi all. When I use the 'mail' command, where does it put the mail message? I'm assuming it puts it in a dir and then EXIM swings by and grabs it. (Debian Sarge) |
| 23:43.37 | streuner | look via 'dpkg -L libqt*-dev' in which dir the dev-files are installed and use it with QTDIR |
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| 23:45.23 | stew | elriah: i believe that mail calls sendmail directly (and sendmail IS exim) |
| 23:46.03 | stew | elriah: (and by sendmail i mean /usr/sbin/sendmail, not the package which is a homonym) |
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| 23:46.40 | w3rdn4 | checking for Qt library version >= 3.1.1... no; Qt 3.1.1 or greater is required |
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| 23:47.48 | elriah | Ok, say I replace the debian EXIM with a newer one (The one that ships with @mail). The sendmail command is obviously broke. Where would you start to get this working again? |
| 23:48.01 | elriah | The new EXIM isn't from a .deb, it's compiled from source. |
| 23:48.13 | elriah | It sends mail fine, just trying to figure out how to do it from a bash script. |
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| 23:48.24 | elriah | i.e., the mail command |
| 23:48.37 | Guerin | elriah: ask the people you got it from |
| 23:49.00 | streuner | w3rdn4: well, #debian-kde should know better |
| 23:49.00 | xorl | bah no VLC for etch :( |
| 23:49.10 | Guerin | elriah: or use something like echo "ceci n'est pas une message" |mailx -s subject foo@bar.baz |
| 23:49.45 | streuner | xorl: there are other players in debian available |
| 23:49.53 | xorl | streuner: I stick to VLC |
| 23:49.58 | xorl | I don't need xine or mplayer. |
| 23:49.59 | stew | elriah: what does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" return? |
| 23:50.09 | xorl | Or totem. |
| 23:50.22 | elriah | exim4-daemon-light, but I have it disabled. |
| 23:50.24 | xorl | and I don't want to go to sid to use it. |
| 23:50.28 | streuner | some people use the version out of unstable, but don't tell somebody ;-) |
| 23:50.28 | Guerin | xorl: use the builds from videolan.org |
| 23:50.34 | elriah | My exim is actually in /usr/local/(somewhere) |
| 23:50.38 | xorl | Guerin: Tried with etch, they want unstable sid libraries. |
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| 23:50.50 | elriah | Is there a way I can point mail or sendmail to the new exim? |
| 23:50.52 | stew | elriah: what does "readlink -f $(which sendmail)" return? |
| 23:50.54 | abrotman | does it call mail or sendmail ? |
| 23:51.07 | Guerin | xorl: suppose you'll have to build your own then., This is the problem with etch - things fall out of it. |
| 23:51.08 | stew | elriah: why are you using exim in /usr/local/ at all? |
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| 23:51.14 | elriah | -> /usr/sbin/exim4 |
| 23:51.15 | xorl | Guerin: yeah :| |
| 23:51.23 | xorl | lots of things |
| 23:51.26 | xorl | well not lots |
| 23:51.26 | elriah | stew: it's part of the @mail package (www.atmail.com) |
| 23:51.32 | elriah | It all installs in /usr/local |
| 23:51.32 | xorl | but, things i hold as important to me. |
| 23:51.44 | Guerin | elriah: why would that need a specific mta? |
| 23:51.48 | stew | elriah: sounds like maybe you should ask them |
| 23:52.03 | elriah | It has tons of mods for antivirus, antispam, etc. |
| 23:52.07 | Guerin | the problem here is that the sendmail symlink is pointing at the wrong binary |
| 23:52.14 | stew | yes |
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| 23:52.26 | elriah | So if I redirec the symbolic link it may work? /usr/sbin/exim4 |
| 23:52.28 | Guerin | elriah: so change it and all should work |
| 23:52.31 | Guerin | yeah |
| 23:52.33 | stew | well thats *a* problem, not necessarily *the* problem :P |
| 23:52.45 | elriah | Cool. I'll try. Thanks guys, that's exactly where I needed to go... |
| 23:52.46 | Guerin | if it's something else, it's out of our hanrds |
| 23:53.05 | stew | it's already out of our hands :) |
| 23:53.36 | Guerin | notes! |
| 23:53.40 | stew | hah http://www.atmail.com/ |
| 23:53.48 | stew | -> Could not connect to MySQL: Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.0.2' (4) |
| 23:53.55 | Guerin | stew: i got the same |
| 23:54.10 | petemc | thats reassuring |
| 23:54.11 | stew | Guerin: how am i supposed to break my mta with a site like that! :P |
| 23:54.23 | Guerin | must be running their mail server lookups on the same database server |
| 23:54.47 | avoine | there is a way to download debian packages and is dependancy but without install those packages? |
| 23:54.56 | abrotman | -d |
| 23:55.22 | elriah | Oh great. My confidence is pretty low at this point. heh |
| 23:55.30 | streuner | avoine: does the package have a name? |
| 23:55.44 | abrotman | streuner: yeah " " |
| 23:55.55 | abrotman | see people .. that's why you don't run mysql! |
| 23:56.21 | simonrvn | looks like their DNS is run from there too |
| 23:56.28 | abrotman | petemc: with qmail? |
| 23:56.32 | petemc | haha |
| 23:56.38 | petemc | i used to... |
| 23:56.39 | avoine | but if i have allready install the package? |
| 23:56.43 | abrotman | and probably kde to admin qmail! |
| 23:56.51 | petemc | :) |
| 23:57.04 | stew | i run mysql from my damnsmalllinux install that i dist-upgraded to edge eft |
| 23:57.15 | elriah | That got it. Thanks, guys. |
| 23:57.15 | abrotman | petemc: did you write qtqmail? |
| 23:57.33 | petemc | not that i can remember |
| 23:57.44 | petemc | i do a lot of stuff i cant remember tho |
| 23:57.52 | EdLin | stew: you're one sick puppy |
| 23:57.53 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:58.00 | abrotman | maybe you wrote Kmysqlqmailfuckery ? |
| 23:58.06 | petemc | perhaps |
| 23:58.10 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 23:58.26 | stew | EdLin: its awesome, it runs really fast and i can admin it from webmin |
| 23:58.34 | EdLin | !webmin |
| 23:58.34 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 23:58.46 | simonrvn | stew: sick sick sick hahah |
| 23:58.49 | dvs | alright. who killed security.debian.org? |
| 23:58.55 | simonrvn | pile it on! |
| 23:58.56 | streuner | hm, don't know what happend to stew... |
| 23:59.02 | petemc | i have a procmail script to admin my servers |
| 23:59.10 | streuner | stew: is everything ok? |
| 23:59.18 | stew | :) |
| 23:59.34 | EdLin | heh |
| 23:59.40 | ppxxpp | my desktop have a big "X" in the center of screen,and can't get away. |
| 23:59.51 | simonrvn | how about: |
| 23:59.51 | ppxxpp | can anybody help me? |
| 23:59.54 | EdLin | ppxxpp: you need a window manager |
