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| 00:01.21 | anabain | abrotman, but this card is for another pc, I need to use the onboard one which, moreover, is a gigabit one |
| 00:01.21 | simonrvn | maybe that nic is fried, or partially so |
| 00:01.57 | simonrvn | </0.02$> |
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| 00:02.11 | abrotman | i bet nvidia sucks :) |
| 00:02.37 | anabain | simonrvn, I tried with kubuntu amd64 and now with deb 32, with the same results. I think I'll have to try win$ to check if it's a hw problem |
| 00:02.46 | anabain | abrotman, I agree with you |
| 00:03.16 | simonrvn | maybe the contacts are dirty =) |
| 00:03.36 | simonrvn | "here kid, get yourself a NIC" |
| 00:03.49 | anabain | thanx, abrotman , :DDD |
| 00:04.06 | abrotman | use the change and get a candy bar! :) |
| 00:04.11 | simonrvn | haha |
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| 00:04.54 | abrotman | "Hey kid, want a Hershey bar? .. Sure! .. So would I, have you got one?" |
| 00:05.02 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:05.39 | abrotman | i love that movie |
| 00:05.53 | simonrvn | what movie is that from? |
| 00:06.09 | abrotman | best spielberg movie .. evar! |
| 00:06.14 | abrotman | Empire of the Sun |
| 00:06.16 | dvs | and? |
| 00:06.23 | simonrvn | haven't seen it |
| 00:06.37 | abrotman | dvs: and what? |
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| 00:06.55 | abrotman | dvs: and the best movie .. evar? |
| 00:06.59 | dvs | abrotman: nvm. |
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| 00:07.15 | dvs | abrotman: yeah, I was waiting for that but you beat me to it. |
| 00:07.43 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:07.50 | abrotman | it's really quite a fantastic movie |
| 00:07.55 | dvs | you're too damn quick |
| 00:08.37 | dvs | abrotman: as long as it's better than A.I. (which isn't hard at all) |
| 00:08.45 | abrotman | dvs: it is WAY better |
| 00:09.45 | jetscreamer | never heard of it |
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| 00:10.13 | stew | yay, quitting time, happy friday, y'all |
| 00:10.17 | abrotman | because you have no culture! |
| 00:10.20 | abrotman | stew: go get beer! |
| 00:10.22 | simonrvn | see you, have a good weekend |
| 00:10.37 | celebaby | friday? |
| 00:10.46 | stew | abrotman: i'm taking a burbon in the shower with me |
| 00:10.49 | stew | simonrvn: you too |
| 00:10.55 | simonrvn | thanks |
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| 00:11.53 | thanksjack | what's the most user-friendly, explorer.exe-like gui for linux? |
| 00:12.06 | abrotman | xfe |
| 00:12.09 | cydork | thanksjack, try xfe, i dont think it's debian though |
| 00:12.11 | cydork | damn |
| 00:12.15 | abrotman | or you mean WM ? |
| 00:12.43 | thanksjack | i'm running ubuntu and I want a new gui... debian and ubuntu use the same package system |
| 00:12.43 | abrotman | !xpde |
| 00:12.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, xpde is a desktop environment attempting to make it easier for the newbie. stands for "XP Desktop Environment.", or at http://www.xpde.com/ for more info. |
| 00:12.51 | dvs | !ubuntu |
| 00:12.51 | dpkg | ubuntu is probably 1. Ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. A distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 00:13.04 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 00:13.07 | cydork | thanksjack, please read ^^ |
| 00:13.07 | jetscreamer | i like 1 |
| 00:13.09 | cydork | :) |
| 00:13.29 | thanksjack | :( I run a debian server too.. does that count for <3 points? |
| 00:13.32 | jetscreamer | xpde looked nice |
| 00:13.46 | jetscreamer | i saw it once |
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| 00:14.02 | jetscreamer | !love thanksjack |
| 00:14.20 | thanksjack | kk, ty |
| 00:14.25 | simonrvn | !botsex |
| 00:14.25 | dpkg | Ok! Drop your pants and bend over!, or http://www.scoutwalker.com/ |
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| 00:14.49 | xorl | Hey, what's the command to lock the screen without xlockmore installed, just using gnome-screensaver. |
| 00:15.16 | jetscreamer | you go into screensaver properties and hit the checkbox |
| 00:15.25 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 00:15.40 | xorl | jetscreamer: no i mean, if i walk away from my box I want to lock it. |
| 00:15.41 | jetscreamer | the gnome-ripoff... err version 'may' be a tad different |
| 00:15.45 | xorl | Not wait for the screensaver. |
| 00:15.48 | simonrvn | i swear that sitemap file gets bigger every time i run that script... |
| 00:15.50 | abrotman | red delicious .. are .. delicious |
| 00:16.13 | abrotman | xorl: add the button to your panel |
| 00:16.21 | xorl | gnome-screensaver-command --lock <-- |
| 00:16.22 | xorl | :) |
| 00:16.27 | simonrvn | those used to be my favourite as a kid |
| 00:16.40 | abrotman | i still love them |
| 00:16.41 | jetscreamer | there is also some command for the x-xcreensaver but i can't decipher it atm |
| 00:16.45 | NefariousPrior | How do I go about booting someone from an ssh connection? |
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| 00:16.58 | xorl | abrotman: can't add it to the gnome menu, using fvwm, why i asked. |
| 00:16.58 | dvs | NefariousPrior: kill the session |
| 00:16.59 | abrotman | NefariousPrior: kill their ssh session |
| 00:17.03 | abrotman | xorl: oh .. |
| 00:17.04 | dvs | abrotman: liar! |
| 00:17.09 | NefariousPrior | how? heh |
| 00:17.10 | jetscreamer | and not care? stop sshd :) |
| 00:17.11 | MtJB_ | i'm sure having a lot of problems trying to burn a cd using bonfire on etch |
| 00:17.12 | abrotman | dvs: best movie EVAR! |
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| 00:17.20 | abrotman | NefariousPrior: man kill ? |
| 00:17.21 | MtJB_ | it tells me i don't have the permissions needed |
| 00:17.23 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/ssh(d?) stop |
| 00:17.25 | jetscreamer | sudo |
| 00:17.28 | simonrvn | ssh |
| 00:18.02 | NefariousPrior | thanks |
| 00:18.04 | dvs | abrotman: a murderer too! |
| 00:18.05 | jetscreamer | MtJB_: the permissions on cdrecord and others may be incorrect... k3b has a script to set them.. |
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| 00:18.29 | MtJB_ | jetscreamer: the k3b setup script doesn't appear to work, it asks for the root passwd, then does nothing |
| 00:18.35 | jetscreamer | yeh |
| 00:18.37 | abrotman | dvs: i am aamerican |
| 00:18.38 | jetscreamer | been there |
| 00:18.52 | dvs | abrotman: nuff said ;-) |
| 00:18.58 | jetscreamer | you can try calling it from xterm... sudo k3b-setup or something |
| 00:19.25 | jetscreamer | sudo k3bsetup |
| 00:19.37 | jetscreamer | works here |
| 00:19.38 | MtJB_ | jetscreamer: thanks did that, it didn't complain, ran to completion. but it still won't run. says the same thing the next time i try. |
| 00:20.30 | jetscreamer | wtf? |
| 00:20.37 | cydork | eww |
| 00:20.50 | jetscreamer | No override present. dpkg-statoverride: --add needs four arguments Usage: dpkg-statoverride [<option> ...] <command |
| 00:20.59 | jetscreamer | seems to be borked |
| 00:21.04 | thanksjack | where might I find a list of packages I have installed? |
| 00:21.14 | jetscreamer | MtJB_: just chown / chmod em |
| 00:21.32 | simonrvn | dpkg -ll | grep '^.i' |
| 00:21.37 | simonrvn | er, -l |
| 00:21.39 | MtJB_ | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 00:21.44 | jetscreamer | Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-jetx" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0 |
| 00:21.47 | jetscreamer | no duh |
| 00:21.51 | jetscreamer | i'm 1000 |
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| 00:21.55 | jetscreamer | by root |
| 00:21.59 | jetscreamer | oh .. r00t |
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| 00:22.20 | simonrvn | sudo -H would set it properly, and need more sudoers messing |
| 00:22.48 | jetscreamer | /usr/bin/cdrecord /usr/bin/wodim????wtf? |
| 00:23.02 | simonrvn | new dep for cdrecord... |
| 00:23.30 | simonrvn | !+info wodim |
| 00:23.31 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:23.39 | dpkg | wodim: (command line CD writing tool), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 5:1.0~pre4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 359 kB, Installed size: 792 kB |
| 00:23.47 | jetscreamer | /usr/bin/cdrdao /usr/bin/wodim/cdrecord and /dev/hd? (your cdrom) |
| 00:24.01 | mhall | yeah some stuff in wodim is *TOTALLY* messed up |
| 00:24.29 | mhall | it won't let me perform DAO RAW 96 recording in k3b for some reason when it always worked with cdrecord since forever |
| 00:24.30 | thanksjack | how do I run rpms? |
| 00:24.37 | cydork | thanksjack, you dont |
| 00:24.40 | jetscreamer | alien thanksjack |
| 00:24.42 | cydork | :) |
| 00:24.43 | jetscreamer | man alien |
| 00:24.49 | thanksjack | kk |
| 00:24.52 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 00:24.52 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 00:24.54 | jetscreamer | apt-get install alien probably also |
| 00:24.55 | cydork | thanksjack, be aware it's evil |
| 00:24.56 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 00:25.05 | jetscreamer | it's always worked for me though |
| 00:25.14 | jetscreamer | but i've only used it a few times |
| 00:25.27 | cydork | jetscreamer, depends on the package actually |
| 00:25.34 | simonrvn | very much so |
| 00:25.51 | simonrvn | some of them are completely fucked |
| 00:26.16 | jetscreamer | yeh that's why i added the but |
| 00:26.19 | thanksjack | its an rpm for a gnome smbclient gui |
| 00:26.31 | jetscreamer | try smb4k |
| 00:26.37 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 00:26.42 | thanksjack | isnt that for kde? |
| 00:26.43 | jetscreamer | it's kde based though |
| 00:26.47 | jetscreamer | but wil functions |
| 00:26.54 | cydork | thanksjack, there is a linneibourhood too. |
| 00:27.07 | thanksjack | is that a package? |
| 00:27.08 | jetscreamer | you limey! |
| 00:27.10 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 00:27.14 | jetscreamer | linneiborhood |
| 00:27.18 | simonrvn | linneighbourhood |
| 00:27.22 | cydork | hehe |
| 00:27.23 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 00:27.24 | simonrvn | or, s,ou,o, |
| 00:27.47 | simonrvn | (probably 'o') |
| 00:27.52 | jetscreamer | linneighborhood |
| 00:27.52 | thanksjack | I did an apt-cache search but it returned nothing |
| 00:27.57 | thanksjack | ah |
| 00:28.04 | jetscreamer | lots of stuff isn't in etch |
| 00:28.14 | simonrvn | !+info linneighborhood etch |
| 00:28.15 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:28.17 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search linn |
| 00:28.20 | cydork | jetscreamer, na that should be there. |
| 00:28.24 | dpkg | linneighborhood: (An SMB network browser for Linux and X11.), section net, is extra. Version: 0.6.5-4 (etch), Packaged size: 170 kB, Installed size: 524 kB |
| 00:28.30 | simonrvn | ^^ |
| 00:28.32 | cydork | yay .. |
| 00:28.40 | cydork | !beer me |
| 00:29.05 | thanksjack | it isn't returning anything |
| 00:29.16 | thanksjack | oh well |
| 00:29.23 | jetscreamer | !find linnei sarge |
| 00:29.29 | jetscreamer | what are you using thanksjack |
| 00:29.30 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linnei' returned no results. |
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| 00:32.57 | thanksjack | I'm not sure what happened or how things worked but I clicked on places in gnome and I connected with the Connect to server... |
| 00:33.01 | thanksjack | so its cool |
| 00:33.26 | thanksjack | now I just need hella codecs |
| 00:33.31 | thanksjack | any ideas? |
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| 00:34.12 | wols_ | !tell thanksjack about marillat |
| 00:34.36 | jetscreamer | !find linnei try smb4k |
| 00:34.38 | jetscreamer | err |
| 00:34.40 | jetscreamer | shit |
| 00:34.45 | jetscreamer | try smb4k |
| 00:35.29 | thanksjack | I connected to the smb server, now i need media codecs |
| 00:35.49 | jetscreamer | marillat like they said |
| 00:36.10 | jetscreamer | deb http://debian-multimedia.org/ testing main |
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| 00:43.29 | abrotman | eh .. i just noticed .. uma thurman is pretty tan for a girl who has been comatose for five years |
| 00:43.44 | jetscreamer | comatose? |
| 00:43.48 | abrotman | in kill bill |
| 00:43.53 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:44.05 | jetscreamer | for a min i thought you meant in r/l |
| 00:44.08 | jetscreamer | killbill rocks |
| 00:44.22 | abrotman | she's tan .. ruins the whole movie for me |
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| 00:45.13 | dvs | the blood and guts make up for the tan |
| 00:45.35 | abrotman | not really. . i'm not sure i can finish the movie now .. i mean .. it's inconsitent |
| 00:46.02 | cydork | abrotman, you cant finish a lot of movies. can you? ;) |
| 00:46.13 | wols_ | why can't she be naturally tan? |
| 00:46.21 | jetscreamer | she's mexican! |
| 00:46.55 | dvs | heh |
| 00:46.56 | jetscreamer | and the afternoon light shined through her window a lot in the hospital (shone?) |
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| 00:47.24 | abrotman | my mom wants to give me the swords she got while in asia |
| 00:47.34 | dvs | abrotman: look out! |
| 00:47.35 | abrotman | but i didn't think they'd let me bring htem on the plane |
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| 00:49.20 | cydork | heh i bought a nanchaku the other day, nice thing once you get used to it |
| 00:49.36 | dvs | cydork: have you sacked yourself yet? ;-) |
| 00:49.44 | abrotman | i don't know where she got these .. but my brother and i used to have sword fights when we were kids |
| 00:49.58 | jetscreamer | nanchaku is the correct way to say numchucks i guess |
| 00:50.21 | cydork | jetscreamer, http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=nanchaku&btnG=Search |
| 00:50.35 | abrotman | but you don't know what thundercats is ? |
| 00:50.44 | jetscreamer | i bought my kid a set of swords, the dual japanese kind... only thing i've ever done right probably |
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| 00:50.57 | jetscreamer | HO! |
| 00:50.58 | cydork | abrotman, i didn't watch lot of cartoons :P |
| 00:51.01 | abrotman | jetscreamer: get him a subscription to hustler? |
| 00:51.04 | jetscreamer | ah bienvenidos |
| 00:51.06 | dvs | http://en.wikipedia.com/Thundercats |
| 00:51.07 | jetscreamer | her |
| 00:51.07 | Derek | hello |
| 00:51.17 | dvs | arg! |
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| 00:51.31 | jetscreamer | yes numchucks |
| 00:51.41 | dvs | nunchucks |
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| 00:52.02 | Derek | can someone recommend a good ide? |
| 00:52.07 | abrotman | for what? |
| 00:52.13 | cydork | Derek, emacs |
| 00:52.17 | cydork | :) |
| 00:52.17 | Derek | sorry,for c |
| 00:52.20 | abrotman | anjuta |
| 00:52.21 | jetscreamer | i dunno hell we're texan and were young and there were no gd pc's much less internet |
| 00:52.27 | Derek | thanks |
| 00:52.34 | cydork | Derek, emacs with cscope :P |
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| 00:52.52 | Derek | i like emacs |
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| 00:53.26 | shay | I would talk about how much I love vim and vi clones in general |
| 00:53.28 | Angel-SL | dpkg: i frogged my perms with chmod |
| 00:53.37 | shay | but it would only start an editor flamewar |
| 00:53.38 | shay | :P |
| 00:53.40 | cydork | Derek, then try it with cscopes you'll love it |
| 00:53.43 | abrotman | Angel-SL: dpkg is a bot |
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| 00:53.56 | Angel-SL | abrotman: i know, a nfobot |
| 00:54.01 | abrotman | blootbot |
| 00:54.05 | Derek | I will,thanks for the suggestion. |
| 00:54.07 | Angel-SL | i wonder why he only responds to pm |
| 00:54.11 | abrotman | he doesn't |
| 00:54.15 | cydork | !bot |
| 00:54.15 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 00:54.16 | abrotman | you're just not using sensible things |
| 00:54.49 | thanksjack | well this is bizarre... I can't play audio files through smb?? |
| 00:55.08 | Angel-SL | !help |
| 00:55.13 | cydork | well it's 3 am, seems like good time to sleep |
| 00:55.15 | abrotman | Angel-SL: what do you want? |
| 00:55.18 | Angel-SL | :/ |
| 00:55.20 | abrotman | cydork: wait til 4! |
| 00:55.29 | Angel-SL | i'm trying to get that command to backup my perms |
| 00:55.43 | Angel-SL | and dpkg, triggered my spam protection |
| 00:55.48 | abrotman | !i frobbed my perms with chmod |
| 00:55.48 | dpkg | Ouch. In the future, running 'find / \( -name proc -prune \) -o \( -name sys -prune \) -o -name "*" -print0 | xargs -0 ls -ld > /var/backups/permissions.bak' as root from a nightly cronjob will at least allow you to script some recovery. |
| 00:55.53 | cydork | abrotman, i would if i could, but i cant so i wont :) |
| 00:55.56 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:56.38 | Derek | hoohoo |
| 00:57.10 | cydork | well goodnight all |
| 00:57.12 | Derek | cydork: gnight |
| 00:57.14 | abrotman | night cydork |
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| 00:58.38 | benjamindees | the flash plugin installer in nonfree no longer works :( |
| 01:01.25 | dendrite | benjamindees: Yeah, adobe changed the dynamic object, so the install scripts see the change and quit. |
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| 01:02.08 | dendrite | benjamindees: I *think* that bug is filed... |
| 01:02.28 | benjamindees | heh yeah quite a few times |
| 01:02.45 | dendrite | benjamindees: It's a fairly simple tweak to the installer script. |
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| 01:06.16 | benjamindees | ah it's fixed and in a queue somewhere |
| 01:06.27 | pizdets | can someone help with ndiswrapper? i installed ndiswrapper and it says hardware is present. i see wlan0 when i type iwconfig. i also see my router when i type iwlist wlan0 scan. when i try to connect with iwconfig wlan0 essid blabla it doesnt work |
| 01:06.35 | dendrite | benjamindees: incoming.debian.org |
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| 01:08.04 | abrotman | isn't that a good thing ? |
| 01:08.16 | mrparanoid | or saturday morning depending apon location :P |
| 01:08.19 | bws42 | yes |
| 01:08.19 | benjamindees | linux nerds are gettin' some |
| 01:08.30 | benjamindees | sign of the apocalypse |
| 01:08.38 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 01:08.39 | dendrite | Heh |
| 01:09.07 | simonrvn | beginning of a new world... |
| 01:09.09 | pizdets | anyone know? |
| 01:09.21 | simonrvn | not little ol' me |
| 01:09.33 | abrotman | there is a #ndiswrapper |
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| 01:24.14 | ecdemo | if I run "badblocks -o <aFile> /dev/hdc" and after that, <aFile> is empty, can I assume I have absolutely no bad blocks on the entire drive? |
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| 01:26.50 | ecdemo | I'm trying to copy a partition using dd... I made as sure as I could that the partitions are the same size, but I got a write error after awhile... (after about 4g was transferred on a 20g drive) |
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| 01:27.51 | ecdemo | which prompted me to run badblocks on the drive after making sure I had everything on the original drives, which hdc is replacing |
| 01:28.04 | exs | I'm trying to save every page+picture within 3dtotal.com using wget. I understand that the commands "-r -l0" are necessary, but I am unable to find out how to set the path for the downloaded files and to make the files available offline (so I can brwose them via firefox) If anyone could help, that would be fantastic. |
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| 01:28.47 | ecdemo | maybe the path is . |
| 01:29.11 | txgrease | it is by default |
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| 01:30.06 | ecdemo | you may wish to do: man bash, man cd, to determine what the following does, and whether it's useful to you... "(cd /some/dir ; <someCommand>)" |
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| 01:31.12 | k-man_ | is there some kind of tool for configuring samba in debian? |
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| 01:31.34 | jetscreamer | wget -mcp |
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| 01:33.36 | abrotman | k-man: vi ? |
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| 01:35.46 | dendrite | k-man_: swat is one option. |
| 01:36.39 | w32 | generally speaking for sizing a swap partition one should multiply the amount of physical ram by 2 ? |
| 01:36.39 | dargor__ | swat? swap |
| 01:36.39 | dendrite | "SWAT will rewrite the smb.conf file. ... If you use a carefully crafted smb.conf, you should probably avoid using SWAT." |
| 01:37.04 | ecdemo | learning in some depth what it means to configure samba is a recommended option :) |
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| 01:37.22 | dendrite | ecdemo: Yep. Like abrotman said -- "vi" :-) |
| 01:38.03 | dendrite | w32: That's not a bad rule of thumb, but it depends on what the machine will be used for, and how much RAM it's got. |
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| 01:38.42 | dendrite | w32: That is, on a machine w/ 4G, an 8G swap probably isn't that useful. |
| 01:39.03 | ecdemo | w32: that used to be a necessity on some operating systems... it lingers as a wivestale, as mentioned it's a good rule of thumb... of course, we're seeing ram sizes of 4-16g and even larger... it's your call I guess :) |
| 01:39.04 | abrotman | unless your applicatoin might use it |
| 01:39.36 | dendrite | It would suck mightily to see a machine that needs multi-G of swap... |
| 01:40.23 | jetscreamer | or would it |
| 01:40.23 | dendrite | I've heard of admins putting just a tiny swap on servers. Their idea was that if the host went into swap, they'd hear it and react. :-) Not sure if that's true though... |
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| 01:40.42 | jetscreamer | i've done the same in windows and used the autogrow feature |
| 01:40.44 | ecdemo | the suggestion being advanced here and now is, it wouldn't be the -machine- that needs or not, but the specific application that the machine is being used for... this seems reasonable to me :) |
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| 01:41.00 | w32 | right I was under the impression that anymore than 2gbs was not recommended and would cause sever disk thrashing |
| 01:41.11 | jetscreamer | yeah like modeling or compiling maps for games you want swap |
| 01:41.24 | jetscreamer | maybe for encoding video but i'm not sure about that one |
| 01:41.26 | w32 | thereby decreasing the life expectancy of the disk |
| 01:41.33 | ecdemo | well at that point you'd consider putting swap on a separate disk or even several little disks |
| 01:41.34 | dendrite | w32: Well, going deep into swap is severe disk thrashing no matter what size swap you've got. |
| 01:41.47 | w32 | that makes sense |
| 01:41.52 | ecdemo | but that's fairly ridiculous for any but the most demanding apps |
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| 01:41.59 | k-man_ | how do i get apt reinstall the default config files for a package? |
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| 01:42.19 | ecdemo | ppurge it first |
| 01:42.24 | jetscreamer | --force-confmiss |
| 01:42.25 | abrotman | no |
| 01:42.28 | ecdemo | (thats one way) |
| 01:42.28 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 01:42.28 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 01:42.46 | jetscreamer | ahh there's that dpkg::options thingy |
| 01:42.53 | w32 | so demanding apps don't really fall under even high traffic transactional websites/db's ? |
| 01:43.08 | ecdemo | is that factoid capitalized properly? |
| 01:43.09 | abrotman | huh? |
| 01:43.11 | ecdemo | or does it matter |
| 01:43.14 | jetscreamer | db sounds likely... |
| 01:43.25 | jetscreamer | i think it matters ecdemo |
| 01:43.27 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 01:43.39 | jetscreamer | cut&paste |
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| 01:44.21 | w32 | I thought as much-a mulitple master database would be resource intensive |
| 01:44.31 | ecdemo | if I run "badblocks -o <aFile> /dev/hdc" and after that, <aFile> is empty, can I assume I have absolutely no bad blocks on the entire drive? |
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| 01:45.59 | dendrite | The confmiss factoid was created in 2001 by greycat. Odds are it's correct. |
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| 01:46.56 | abrotman | dpkg: find greycat |
| 01:47.52 | k-man_ | jetscreamer, that didn't work, it still didn't create the default smb.conf file for me |
| 01:47.58 | jetscreamer | he seems to be the #bash leader |
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| 01:48.17 | jetscreamer | k-man: the default is created when you install samba |
| 01:48.17 | ecdemo | add-the-bash rebash? |
| 01:48.35 | k-man_ | jetscreamer, the "samba" package? |
| 01:48.50 | ecdemo | maybe the purging is the only option then? |
| 01:49.02 | abrotman | it's probably in samba-common |
| 01:49.08 | k-man_ | ah |
| 01:49.10 | k-man_ | that might be the problem |
| 01:49.26 | jetscreamer | yes the samba package does it iirc |
| 01:49.51 | jetscreamer | k-man: #samba maybe for additional help |
| 01:49.57 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 01:49.58 | k-man_ | that was it |
| 01:50.05 | k-man_ | it was the samba-common package |
| 01:50.11 | jetscreamer | i'm not saying go away, just broaden your chances |
| 01:50.15 | ecdemo | well this is a debian issue more so than samba given it's about the packaging of samba |
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| 01:50.44 | jetscreamer | -_- i knew that was coming |
| 01:51.11 | ecdemo | #samba when you want purely samba stuff, like what things mean and such |
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| 01:51.46 | ecdemo | clothes are dry... I |
| 01:51.50 | ecdemo | 'm gone :) |
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| 01:54.13 | quimby | I am doing a net install of debian .. . getting "Loading libcrypto0.9.7-udeb failed for unknown reasons. Aborting". |
| 01:54.25 | quimby | is this a known issue? |
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| 01:54.40 | abrotman | with etch ? |
| 01:54.59 | abrotman | inspector gadget? |
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| 01:59.52 | Cooner750 | How can I tell that I have the right driver installed for my "0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]" ? |
| 02:00.09 | abrotman | in xorg ? |
| 02:00.22 | Cooner750 | xfree86 |
| 02:00.30 | abrotman | it's the radeon driver |
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| 02:02.21 | jetscreamer | ati calls it though |
| 02:02.33 | jetscreamer | you can put ati... course that's xorg not sure about xfree |
| 02:03.24 | k-man_ | so if i use swat to edit the debian smb.conf, will the smb.conf lose all the comments in it? |
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| 02:03.35 | abrotman | it's called radeon |
| 02:03.38 | jetscreamer | k-man: back it up |
| 02:03.40 | jetscreamer | copy it |
| 02:04.13 | jetscreamer | yes it is called radeon... you can put that, or putting ati will call the radeon driver... at least in xorg |
| 02:04.20 | abrotman | http://xfree86.org/4.4.0/radeon.4.html |
| 02:04.27 | abrotman | jetscreamer: we covered this .. he's not running xorg |
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| 02:04.34 | abrotman | he says it .. three lines above yours |
| 02:04.53 | Cooner750 | this is the one with the composite and s video out. How do I get those working? |
| 02:05.13 | abrotman | ask #ati |
| 02:05.35 | jelly | abrotman: I think ati works too. And isn't #ati for closed source drivers? |
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| 02:05.52 | abrotman | jelly: in xorg it does .. not in xfree |
| 02:06.13 | abrotman | jelly: nfc .. he might need the closed drivers to get those working |
| 02:06.29 | mfrisch | I am having problems setting up Mailscanner, I cannot figure out how to set up the /etc/init.d/exim I am using split config for exim so I do not know what to put in exim. |
| 02:06.50 | jelly | abrotman: eh, fglrx for ye olde Radeon 7000? |
| 02:07.08 | abrotman | jelly: for svideo maybe .. nfc .. i don't have one |
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| 02:08.15 | pizdets | hm i just connected to my router thru wireless but when i try to ping www.google.com it says unknown host |
| 02:08.50 | abrotman | do you have any dns servers ? |
| 02:10.04 | pizdets | i use dhcp |
| 02:10.18 | abrotman | doesn't mean you have dns servers |
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| 02:10.58 | quimby | abrotman you have dhcp with your isp or static ip? |
| 02:11.01 | jetscreamer | yes it seems to be a subset |
| 02:11.03 | jetscreamer | http://xfree86.org/current/RELNOTES4.html |
| 02:11.13 | abrotman | quimby: i personally use my ISPs |
| 02:11.21 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that's not the xfree he's using |
| 02:11.22 | dendrite | pizdets: Can you ping 72.14.207.99 ? |
| 02:11.42 | jetscreamer | !info xserver-xfree86 sarge |
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| 02:11.52 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 5608 kB, Installed size: 15620 kB |
| 02:12.08 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 02:12.21 | pizdets | dendrite, nope |
| 02:12.25 | pizdets | dendrite, destination unreachable |
| 02:12.46 | abrotman | jetscreamer: http://xfree86.org/4.4.0/manindex4.html |
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| 02:13.04 | dendrite | pizdets: So that means it's not (only) DNS trouble. Can you ping the IP of your router? |
| 02:13.08 | abrotman | jetscreamer: notice .. no 'ati' driver |
| 02:13.32 | pizdets | dendrite, nope :( |
| 02:13.53 | pizdets | in my router, i can see that the laptop is connected to the router |
| 02:13.58 | pizdets | that's how i figured it's connected |
| 02:14.24 | pizdets | ifconfig tells me my inet addr is 192.168.1.4 |
| 02:15.14 | abrotman | can you ping your router? |
| 02:15.32 | pizdets | no |
| 02:15.34 | jelly | abrotman: I have driver "ati" in a 2004. XFREE86Config-4, so meh. |
| 02:15.39 | jetscreamer | yes son you are right and i am worng... for a change |
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| 02:15.57 | OPP | wow |
| 02:16.06 | abrotman | jelly: there's no 'ati' driver says xfree86.org |
| 02:16.17 | OPP | can someone please help me convice this guy ubuntu sukcs |
| 02:16.40 | jelly | abrotman: mind you that Debian's 4.3.0 is something between 4.3.0 and 4.3.99 whatever. |
| 02:16.56 | abrotman | jelly: it's 4.3.99 |
| 02:17.15 | mfrisch | OPP: just let him run it for awhile he'll decied |
| 02:17.20 | jelly | abrotman: yeah, that. Don't make me install xserver-xfree86 :-) |
| 02:17.42 | abrotman | jelly: http://xfree86.org/4.4.0/manindex4.html .. no ati driver |
| 02:18.23 | jelly | I believe even "ati" worked for releases around sarge, upstream documentation be damned. |
| 02:19.22 | multi_io | hmmm, how is rotating log files supposed to be handled these days? On my Debian box here, both /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd and /etc/cron.daily/logrotate rotate /var/log/messages, the former rotates weekly, the latter daily :-\ |
| 02:19.22 | abrotman | where's overfiend when you need him :) |
| 02:19.37 | jetscreamer | busy doing debian |
| 02:19.50 | jetscreamer | busy being fearless leader |
| 02:20.00 | pizdets | i fixed it!.. eth0 was running |
| 02:20.12 | multi_io | ...this results in chaos and loss of log data... |
| 02:20.37 | abrotman | multi_io: depends on the log |
| 02:20.39 | dendrite | pizdets: Ah. Lost route. |
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| 02:21.01 | jelly | abrotman: Err, truth be told, I had a computer with ragepro before this one, and I see Driver "radeon" in two newer XF...-4 config files. O:-) |
| 02:21.16 | pizdets | i can ping router but i cant ping www.google.com. it says "Network is unreachable" |
| 02:21.38 | abrotman | jelly: it's ok .. i can be right sometimes :) |
| 02:21.48 | abrotman | pizdets: nslookup www.google.com .. says what ? |
| 02:22.08 | pizdets | it resolves google |
| 02:22.31 | dendrite | pizdets: does 'route' show any routes through the eth0/non-connected device? |
| 02:22.36 | abrotman | pizdets: your ISP might block ping |
| 02:23.00 | pizdets | route is only showing wlan0 |
| 02:23.12 | munwell | need to clear some doubt about backup. if i make a full system backup to a spare hd, whether cp or dd or rsync, if my original hd crashed, how would i use the backup? |
| 02:23.14 | jelly | telnet www.google.com 80 ? |
| 02:23.42 | jetscreamer | just dd the backup back |
| 02:23.43 | munwell | assume the original hd is beyond repair. |
| 02:23.49 | txgrease | 'traceroute google.com' or any other host |
| 02:23.58 | dendrite | munwell: That would depend entirely on whether you used cp, dd or rsync. |
| 02:24.00 | pizdets | it resolves google's ip and then tells me "telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable" |
| 02:24.23 | txgrease | if you traceroute to google do you get past the router? |
| 02:24.29 | jetscreamer | munwell: when you move an hd, all you need to change is fstab, lilo.conf or menu.lst, and i think that's about it |
| 02:24.48 | jetscreamer | cp, or just moving the hd |
| 02:24.52 | jetscreamer | so... |
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| 02:25.16 | jetscreamer | if you move the hd to another box you have kernel and initrd to think about sometimes |
| 02:25.30 | munwell | jetscreamer: i would have to be able to bootup the backup hd. does a full system backup ensure that? |
| 02:25.42 | jelly | munwell: if you didn't clone the partition setup and everything, you'd need a new disk, a bootable rescue image (live cd, Debian install images, like that) to boot and utilities to format the new disk and put back the data where it was, and fix the fstab and boot loader. |
| 02:25.52 | jetscreamer | i don't know wht you mean by full system backup. i boot a livecd and just zip it up |
| 02:25.58 | jetscreamer | that's full. |
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| 02:26.07 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:26.07 | dpkg | <Mandork_> how does pron work anyways ? |
| 02:26.07 | sticky | OPP: with all due respect, there isnt anything wrong with Ubuntu. I use both Debian & Ubuntu on a daily basis... |
| 02:26.19 | jelly | jetscreamer: that's not full. Partition table setup? |
| 02:26.24 | abrotman | sticky: don't do that |
| 02:26.30 | sticky | abrotman: Don't do what? |
| 02:26.31 | multi_io | abrotman: why would it be sensible to rotate the same log file from two cron scripts? |
| 02:26.38 | abrotman | sticky: start shit |
| 02:26.47 | abrotman | multi_io: they shouldn't .. |
| 02:26.51 | txgrease | abrotman: how did he start shit? |
| 02:26.53 | sticky | abrotman: I'm not. 22:16 < OPP> can someone please help me convice this guy ubuntu sukcs |
| 02:26.55 | dendrite | munwell: You might want to consider a restore strategy that involves installing the base system from known good installation media, and then only restoring your specific site data. |
| 02:27.00 | jetscreamer | who cares about the partitions. but you might care about the mbr |
| 02:27.02 | jelly | jetscreamer: ok, is a full filesystem backup, but it's not everything needed to make a recovery. |
| 02:27.08 | sticky | abrotman: read your scroll back. |
| 02:27.16 | jetscreamer | not the partition table though. keep a grub floppy around always |
| 02:27.19 | abrotman | sticky: sorry .. i missed that part .. i thought you were trying to start a distro discussion |
| 02:27.25 | sticky | abrotman: Nope. |
| 02:27.31 | munwell | let me absorb what's been suggested... |
| 02:27.40 | jetscreamer | just boot the grub floppy and reinstall grub if you have to |
| 02:27.49 | txgrease | abrotman: he was trying to keep a distro war from flaring up |
| 02:28.04 | dendrite | munwell: That way, if your system is compromised, you won't be in the position of having to restore abused system binaries from *your* backup. |
| 02:28.06 | pizdets | damn.. still not working |
| 02:28.10 | jelly | jetscreamer: nah if it was a server, and one that you didn't install, you'd probably want to replicate partitions like they were. |
| 02:28.18 | sticky | Linux is linux, I don't see why people complain about different distros ;) |
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| 02:30.52 | quimby | if a ramdisk is setup, would I access it by mounting /dev/ram0 |
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| 02:30.54 | quimby | ? |
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| 02:31.14 | jetscreamer | if you have multiple partitions and it matters, you would know i would think... but you have a point jelly. i didn't go on to say that i not only zip the files up, i also dd the partitons, and i dd the entire hd (sometimes)... depends on how fucked i'd be if i lost the data :) |
| 02:31.22 | pavon | \help |
| 02:31.31 | pavon | doh |
| 02:31.42 | jetscreamer | /ns help |
| 02:31.47 | jetscreamer | /cs help |
| 02:32.12 | jetscreamer | but zipping 'just works' with proper edit after |
| 02:32.32 | jetscreamer | ok i have a great question: |
| 02:32.46 | jetscreamer | wait, let me put on my #ubuntu face... |
| 02:32.56 | jelly | jetscreamer: sfdisk -d /dev/hda is nice. |
| 02:33.19 | jetscreamer | somebody help me fix my debian to look as beautiful as vista does |
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| 02:33.53 | jelly | jetscreamer: oh, does your zipping keep hardlinks and sparse files? ;-) |
| 02:34.11 | munwell | fr what hd been suggested so far, there are a lot of things to consider. i'll set a frame of reference. there is a hd partition with a running system. i want to clone that system in another partition in another hd. if the original hd partition becomes useless, i want to be able to use the backup, starting with boot. |
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| 02:35.18 | jetscreamer | dd if=/dev/hda of=/remotenfsbackupmountpoint/hda.iso |
| 02:35.47 | jetscreamer | or whichever /dev/???? |
| 02:35.48 | munwell | the question is, can linux backup allow cloning of a system or does it only backup data files? |
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| 02:36.02 | jelly | munwell: ok. do you have a fresh disk to replace the failed one, or do you want to use the backup disk in place of the original? |
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| 02:36.26 | munwell | jelly: to use the backup disk inplace of the original. |
| 02:36.44 | jetscreamer | jelly: i take it it doesn't... no idea afaik i don't have either type. |
| 02:36.48 | jelly | munwell: congrats, you're on the way to reinvent raid1 (mirrors) ;-) |
| 02:36.50 | jetscreamer | the sparse and hard |
| 02:36.57 | abrotman | jelly: isn't it like .. 6AM there? |
| 02:37.02 | OPP | wow |
| 02:37.05 | OPP | i cant stand this guy |
| 02:37.10 | OPP | arguing with me why kubuntu is better |
| 02:37.10 | jelly | abrotman: uh, yeah. 4:37am. |
| 02:37.11 | abrotman | so use /ignore |
| 02:37.14 | jetscreamer | opp it's called /ignore |
| 02:37.16 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 02:37.23 | OPP | no i wont |
| 02:37.27 | OPP | i want him to realize |
| 02:37.29 | pizdets | i'm on debian... wirelessly! |
| 02:37.31 | abrotman | don't tell us about it |
| 02:37.45 | jetscreamer | yeah i hung out in #ubuntu a bit |
| 02:37.49 | jetscreamer | leave it there |
| 02:37.50 | parsonsd | i'm looking for a way to remove a default route with `route` -- all I seem get back is SIOCDELRT: No such process |
| 02:37.58 | munwell | jelly: raid1 is the only way to go? those backup utilities will not help? |
| 02:38.51 | jelly | munwell: well, if your stated goal is to be able to use backup in place of the original, you might as well keep them synchronized all the time in the mirror. |
| 02:38.55 | jetscreamer | am i missing anything? |
| 02:39.29 | mfrisch | munwell: dump/restore works great |
| 02:39.43 | munwell | jelly: and raid1 is the way? what about rsync? |
| 02:39.56 | pizdets | what's the apt-get command for firefox? |
| 02:39.59 | pizdets | it says it cant find package |
| 02:40.00 | pizdets | :( |
| 02:40.06 | jelly | munwell: you could, of course, synchronize them periodically, which might be more suitable if the backup disk isn't always online or is significantly slower. |
| 02:40.10 | munwell | mfrish: dump/restore is for cdrom,right? |
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| 02:40.56 | mfrisch | munwell: no harddisks it likes ext and creates ".img" files of each drive |
| 02:41.37 | jelly | munwell: rsync works well on files. for cloning I'd use raid1 or periodical dd-ing, which is pretty much the same thing. |
| 02:41.53 | multi_io | well, I think the problem is that "syslogd-listfiles" outputs /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog, /var/log/kern.log. On another system with *identical* /etc/syslog.conf and /usr/sbin/syslogd-listfiles, it only outputs /var/log/syslog (which is correct according to the manpage). ???? |
| 02:42.04 | jetscreamer | apt-get install mozilla-firefox probably... but the new name is/will be firefox |
| 02:42.15 | jetscreamer | it's transistioning |
| 02:42.17 | munwell | jelly: what about this suggestion by mfrisch of using dump/restore? |
| 02:42.26 | jelly | munwell: note that if you use rsync, the filesystems won't be identical and you'll have some extra steps to perform in case of disk failure. |
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| 02:43.34 | pizdets | mozilla-firefox worked thanks |
| 02:43.44 | jetscreamer | for this kind of accuracy to be required you would probably already have hotswappable drives and some raid array |
| 02:44.08 | jetscreamer | how identical / up2date does it need to be? |
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| 02:44.24 | jelly | munwell: they're much like any other file-based backup tools. dump/restore will not create files on the backup disk, but archive-like images which have to be restored from. |
| 02:44.26 | jetscreamer | what kind of use will the system be put to |
| 02:44.26 | munwell | mfrisch: checked the manual. dump/restore not in. s only with external USB drive? |
| 02:44.28 | JesseW | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://bindist.finkmirrors.net 10.3/release/main Packages (/sw/var/lib/apt/lists/bindist.finkmirrors.net_bindist_dists_10.3_release_main_binary-darwin-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) - What is this error, and what can I do about it? |
| 02:44.42 | JesseW | (yes, I've asked in #fink) |
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| 02:44.48 | jelly | munwell: it's like tar or zip, just optimized for ext2. |
| 02:44.55 | munwell | mfrisch: dump/restore software comes with the external drive? |
| 02:45.11 | mfrisch | munwell: comes with what? |
| 02:46.21 | erichapkido | Hello, when I try to burn a dvd iso, gnome starts the burn and then immediately dies |
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| 02:47.28 | JesseW | erichapkido: what does a google search tell you? |
| 02:47.38 | munwell | which means dump/restore would need a new drive, it can't be used by itself to recover the system. |
| 02:47.50 | erichapkido | jessew: it says something about growisofs when it dies |
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| 02:48.18 | JesseW | hm; so, according to google, what is growisofs? |
| 02:48.29 | jetscreamer | JesseW: is it hosted on sourceforge? i've seen some ppl saying something about sf being down |
| 02:48.31 | erichapkido | no idea, but it has something to do with dvd bruning |
| 02:48.46 | jetscreamer | http://fink.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:48.47 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:49.08 | JesseW | jetscreamer: partailly ; I know sf's webserver was down yesterday, but it's up now. |
| 02:49.14 | JesseW | I don't *think* that's it. |
| 02:49.21 | jetscreamer | Server down; workarounds available |
| 02:49.30 | jetscreamer | i know nothing though |
| 02:49.32 | JesseW | jetscreamer: that was in August. |
| 02:49.37 | jetscreamer | oh... |
| 02:49.46 | JesseW | jetscreamer: thanks, though |
| 02:50.00 | JesseW | I was asking here because I wondered if it was connected with apt |
| 02:50.02 | erichapkido | i love solving my own problems |
| 02:50.07 | jelly | munwell: basically you have two options. If you want to be able to take the backup drive and ust put it into the computer instead of the original, you can't use programs that create archives like tar, zip or dump/restore. If you choose to replace the drive with a third one, you'll have better options for software to use, more data will fit on the backup drive (using incremental/differential backups to keep only the differences between today's and yesterday's |
| 02:50.07 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.11 | erichapkido | i did apt-get install growisofs, instead of apt-cache search growisofs |
| 02:50.25 | JesseW | erichapkido: and it worked? |
| 02:50.38 | erichapkido | jessew: no idea, it didnt die right away |
| 02:50.49 | erichapkido | jessew: it says its writing to the disc |
| 02:50.55 | JesseW | sounds good |
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| 02:55.20 | munwell | jelly: thks, that's the picture i am getting too. if i want to use the backup drive as the original without fuss, raid1 is the way to go. using the other linux backup utilities means that a third hd is required and it has to be brought up to the state to restore data from the backup hd. right? |
| 02:55.33 | jelly | munwell: yep. |
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| 02:56.59 | munwell | jelly: thks again. :) |
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| 02:58.20 | jelly | munwell: note that raid1 doesn't protect you from human or program error -- if something corrupts the data or a user deletes stuff it'll be instanatenously replicated on all the mirror images. |
| 02:59.44 | jelly | munwell: so raid1 is good if you don't want a disk failure to stop you from working, but normal backups are still very much recommended as a way to keep previous copies of your data. |
| 02:59.44 | munwell | jelly: yeh, agree. not easy to deal with human error. i am trying to prepare for machine failure, like when the hd crashes beyond repair. |
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| 03:00.43 | jelly | munwell: the first time you type "rm -rf . *" you'll wish you had backups too. ;-) |
| 03:01.28 | abrotman | backups are for people with lives ... |
| 03:02.20 | gniretar_home | what is everyone favorite bittorrent client? |
| 03:02.33 | abrotman | just pick one |
| 03:02.36 | jelly | abrotman: well, I don't have a life but I still don't want to lose the pron and mp3s accumulated over the years. |
| 03:02.36 | munwell | jelly: yeh, i have a 40G hd and a cdrw drive which is insufficient for backup. that is why i want to backup to another hd and to know what effective backup methods are out there. |
| 03:03.19 | jelly | munwell: is that a laptop? |
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| 03:03.28 | munwell | jelly: desktop |
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| 03:04.27 | munwell | interestinly, recently i was at a PC exhibition and there's only external hd on sale. |
| 03:04.40 | jelly | munwell: you could buy something like a large IDE disk and make both dd/mirror images _and_ rsync based file backups on the same disk. ;-) |
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| 03:07.35 | munwell | jelly: interesting idea, sort of redundant backups? i have got myself a 160G sata. going by what you said, i should divide them into 4 partitions of 40G each and backup the original by dd to one and rsync to another? |
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| 03:09.10 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 03:10.00 | munwell | jetscreamer: ? |
| 03:10.34 | jelly | munwell: I'd make the identical partitions as on the original (if possible) + one large extra partition, setup some sort of mirroring and use a rsync based utility for to keep daily backups of historical data on the large partition. For nice and relatively simple rsync wrappers check out rdiff-backup, dirvish, rsnapshot ... there's a lot of those. |
| 03:10.34 | jetscreamer | just that it's still an ongoing discussion |
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| 03:12.10 | munwell | i got to go too. bye. |
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| 03:18.00 | pizdets | anyone know which file is used for X11 configuration (mice) |
| 03:18.24 | abrotman | sarge or etch/sid ? |
| 03:18.52 | pizdets | sarge? |
| 03:19.08 | Ronin | aka stable |
| 03:19.41 | abrotman | /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:19.53 | pizdets | i checked those two and they're both empty |
| 03:20.57 | pizdets | n/m it's showing now |
| 03:24.27 | pizdets | what do i type after i make changes to XF86Config-4 to refresh |
| 03:24.42 | monocle | pizdets, restart X |
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| 03:25.22 | pizdets | how? mine starts automatically |
| 03:26.42 | monocle | pizdets, then you need to log out and then back in. Or you could ctrl-alt-backspace to kill the server and your display manager will restart X for you. |
| 03:26.55 | pizdets | k brb |
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| 03:32.53 | jetscreamer | and to think i used to like Labatt50 |
| 03:33.31 | bws42 | who the hell is Labatt14 |
| 03:33.45 | Labatt14 | i dunno what i just did, buit sorry |
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| 03:36.15 | abrotman | Labatt14: hint .. don't EVER do it again |
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| 03:37.46 | Labatt14 | no worries. |
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| 03:38.39 | pizdets | hm, i cant start gdm now... it says it's already running |
| 03:38.43 | pizdets | :( |
| 03:38.54 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 03:41.14 | karrot-x2 | is there a program to change your hostname in debian? |
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| 03:41.45 | abrotman | !hostname |
| 03:41.46 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 03:41.51 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
| 03:41.52 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 03:42.58 | w32 | what am I doing wrong here http://pastebin.ca/172454 |
| 03:43.12 | w32 | see the route add at the top ? |
| 03:43.35 | abrotman | a little context might help |
| 03:43.47 | w32 | I can ping the host machine, but the vps (debian) can't reach the internet |
| 03:44.10 | w32 | abortman: sorry abit vague huh ? |
| 03:44.47 | abrotman | route -n might help |
| 03:45.03 | w32 | k |
| 03:45.15 | abrotman | ok .. fly II is gross :) |
| 03:45.26 | sanmarcos | abrotman: i want to hug you |
| 03:45.55 | w32 | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/172475 |
| 03:46.00 | abrotman | sanmarcos: because ... i smell ? |
| 03:46.10 | sanmarcos | I just need it, brother |
| 03:46.10 | abrotman | sanmarcos: what'd i do ? |
| 03:46.18 | abrotman | you need to hug me? |
| 03:46.23 | monocle | w32, is that netmask right for x.x.0.0 network? |
| 03:46.51 | abrotman | w32: are you trying to route on virtual interfaces ? |
| 03:47.01 | sanmarcos | abrotman: yes abrotman, havent you ever felt like that while coding? |
| 03:47.02 | w32 | yes |
| 03:47.20 | abrotman | sanmarcos: i rarely do marathon coding sessions anymore .. |
| 03:47.29 | w32 | here's the host server http://pastebin.ca/172476 |
| 03:47.41 | abrotman | sanmarcos: but .. yes .. after 10 hours of C++ and FBTree .. i can see a hug being needed .. or a case of beer :) |
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| 03:48.24 | njaard | is there a magical way to fix udev and hotplug in unstable? |
| 03:48.33 | w32 | the guest in question is x.x.0.167 |
| 03:48.34 | abrotman | w32: don't you want to add that route to venet0:0 ? |
| 03:48.41 | abrotman | njaard: yeah .. use one or the other |
| 03:48.53 | njaard | well, I mean hotplugging is broken when I use udev :) |
| 03:48.54 | w32 | well I have tried both and I get the same thing |
| 03:48.55 | sanmarcos | we need a counter for people with udev problems |
| 03:49.05 | abrotman | !popcon |
| 03:49.05 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 03:49.06 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:49.07 | njaard | sanmarcos: wouldn't it be easier to fix udev? :) |
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| 03:49.16 | shasbot | i am getting a laptop soon and plan to try out debian unstable, will it be a lot different from gentoo? |
| 03:49.18 | sanmarcos | njaard: udev and hotplug are like + and -, like god and the devil, and so on |
| 03:49.26 | sanmarcos | its one or the other |
| 03:49.30 | abrotman | shasbot: have you used debian before ? |
| 03:49.30 | njaard | are you sure they're both not the devil? |
| 03:49.36 | njaard | sanmarcos: I don't have hotplug installed |
| 03:49.40 | sanmarcos | yes, the devil might be impersonating |
| 03:49.46 | abrotman | hotplug isn't all peaches and cream either |
| 03:49.53 | sanmarcos | njaard: for udev you need an uptodate kernel, ie >6.15 |
| 03:49.55 | shasbot | abrotman, i have tried ubuntu briefly, but otherwise no |
| 03:50.03 | njaard | Linux arkimedes 2.6.15.7 #2 PREEMPT Sat May 20 16:07:21 BST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:50.08 | njaard | will that do? :) |
| 03:50.09 | abrotman | !tell shasbot about grounding |
| 03:50.17 | abrotman | shasbot: unstable can break .. badly sometimes |
| 03:50.34 | sanmarcos | right, like when grep broke and the system would not boot |
| 03:50.47 | sanmarcos | njaard: apt-cache depends udev |
| 03:50.54 | abrotman | shasbot: you should inspect using stable/sarge .. or etch .. at least until you get used to how debian works |
| 03:50.57 | njaard | sanmarcos: it's installed. it's not working |
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| 03:51.15 | sanmarcos | njaard: yes, welcome to udev |
| 03:51.22 | shasbot | abrotman, hmm i might try that and see how up to date the packages are |
| 03:51.28 | njaard | sanmarcos: well, it worked until I made the mistake of updating a few days ago |
| 03:51.37 | sanmarcos | dont we all njaard , dont we all |
| 03:51.39 | w32 | !route |
| 03:51.39 | dpkg | ask me about 'static route' |
| 03:51.41 | multi_io | OK, I've I'm by now certain that both /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd and /etc/cron.daily/logrotate rotate /var/log/messages, the former rotates weekly, the latter daily. And this looks like a bug to me. It only happens if the messages file grows more than 1 MB per day. |
| 03:51.47 | abrotman | shasbot: think of it as your learning curve/platform ... |
| 03:52.14 | njaard | sanmarcos: so what's a version I can back out to? |
| 03:52.18 | w32 | !static route |
| 03:52.18 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up route add -net ...." in the appropriate interface's stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:52.27 | njaard | * Please reboot your system as soon as possible! |
| 03:52.27 | njaard | * After removing udev the system may not be fully functional. |
| 03:52.28 | njaard | hehe |
| 03:52.35 | njaard | now that's just sarcastic |
| 03:52.42 | multi_io | (/etc/cron.daily/sysklogd only rotates files that have grown to more than 1 MB) |
| 03:52.54 | sanmarcos | njaard: dont know, had to revert to windows because of udev. So you will keep away because I am very bitter, also abrotman wont hug me |
| 03:53.11 | abrotman | !hug sanmarcos |
| 03:53.12 | njaard | man, even debian is slightly better than windows |
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| 03:53.16 | njaard | it's better in the sense that it's not windows |
| 03:53.19 | njaard | not that it's actually better |
| 03:53.32 | sanmarcos | njaard: you usually cant revert in unstable, thats why you use apt-listbugs |
| 03:53.40 | sanmarcos | !hug abrotman |
| 03:54.04 | abrotman | njaard: because devfs is deprecated |
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| 03:54.14 | njaard | abrotman: because what? |
| 03:54.16 | sanmarcos | udev is great as a concept though |
| 03:54.21 | abrotman | njaard: because devfs is deprecated |
| 03:54.22 | sanmarcos | !devfs |
| 03:54.22 | dpkg | devfs is, like, obsolete and was [basically] removed from Linux from 2.6.13, or ask me about devfs faq |
| 03:54.30 | xaque | Hi. New to debian...I need to install a modules for my wireless...is there a better way that make && make install ?? |
| 03:54.39 | njaard | abrotman: I mean, "because" is following a question |
| 03:54.40 | xaque | where is a howto I can read about doing it the debian way? |
| 03:54.41 | sanmarcos | xaque: probably the "debian way" |
| 03:54.49 | sanmarcos | !m-a |
| 03:54.49 | dpkg | well, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 03:54.53 | njaard | what was the question that I asked that would lead to that response, abrotman ? |
| 03:55.00 | njaard | module-assistant is cool |
| 03:55.06 | xaque | sanmarcos: =] |
| 03:55.06 | njaard | well , conceptually |
| 03:55.13 | njaard | in practice, its silly progress bar *never* works |
| 03:55.17 | abrotman | njaard: eh .. i'm pretty sure devfs got deprecated by the kernel developers |
| 03:55.31 | njaard | abrotman: I'm not using devfs, so why are you telling me this? |
| 03:55.45 | abrotman | njaard: you asked why you put up with udev ... :) |
| 03:55.52 | abrotman | and it's because devfs is deprecated :) |
| 03:55.55 | njaard | no, I asked why I put up with debian |
| 03:56.10 | abrotman | because you love us! |
| 03:56.14 | njaard | because my other choices are Redhat and SuSE, I think |
| 03:56.18 | njaard | so Debian is the obvious winner |
| 03:56.23 | njaard | 1) it's not redhat |
| 03:56.27 | njaard | 2) it doesn't have YaST |
| 03:56.33 | abrotman | !yast |
| 03:56.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, yast is Yet Another Stupid package Tool :) |
| 03:56.38 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 03:56.40 | njaard | and a new 3) it's not Novell |
| 03:56.42 | abrotman | !google debian yast |
| 03:56.56 | njaard | E: Couldn't find package yast |
| 03:56.57 | njaard | shame. |
| 03:56.59 | w32 | abortman: does that make any sense ? why would it even have those entries listed under route -n on the guest ? |
| 03:57.17 | abrotman | because routing is an adventure |
| 03:57.25 | abrotman | njaard: if you google "debian yast" ... it's out there |
| 03:57.27 | w32 | ahahaa yeah |
| 03:57.33 | njaard | god no |
| 03:57.43 | abrotman | njaard: some people like it |
| 03:57.44 | njaard | yast is like the one thing that would make debian unstable less reliable |
| 03:57.49 | dendrite | njaard: I suggest Caldera. |
| 03:57.59 | w32 | abortman: care to venture down that road ? |
| 03:58.00 | abrotman | w32: the host should probably have two routes .. one for eth0 . another for venet0 |
| 03:58.00 | njaard | dendrite: I used to use Caldera. it wasn't too bad |
| 03:58.05 | sanmarcos | caldera means hot water tank in spanish |
| 03:58.11 | abrotman | njaard: just for tetris! |
| 03:58.14 | njaard | totally. |
| 03:58.19 | w32 | abortman: indeed the host does |
| 03:58.20 | njaard | to. ta. ly. |
| 03:58.34 | njaard | oh |
| 03:58.53 | njaard | Debian is a lot better now that all^Wmany of the stupid fucking dumbass fanboys went to gentoo |
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| 03:59.14 | njaard | they were what kept me from using debian for a while |
| 03:59.26 | njaard | now it's just that the packages are always broken |
| 03:59.32 | njaard | overall, it's better now :) |
| 03:59.41 | abrotman | you could use stable :) |
| 03:59.54 | njaard | stale? |
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| 03:59.59 | njaard | no, I actually want to *use* my computer |
| 04:00.01 | dondelelcaro | oi vay |
| 04:00.03 | sanmarcos | have you heard the "I want my mpg" toyota ad? I cant get it out of my head |
| 04:00.13 | w32 | I'm no gentoo fan myself, I started with RH 6.2 and went have been tinkering with debian ever since |
| 04:00.13 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: your bot reset |
| 04:00.20 | multi_io | for developers, having all the sources installed as in Gentoo is very nice |
| 04:00.30 | dondelelcaro | if you want the source, apt-get source foopkg; |
| 04:00.32 | njaard | multi_io: deb-src :) |
| 04:00.34 | dondelelcaro | it's pretty dang trivial |
| 04:00.50 | njaard | it also means that packages take just "too long" to install, rather than "For ever" |
| 04:01.08 | njaard | then again |
| 04:01.12 | njaard | I bet udev works right now on gentoo |
| 04:01.21 | abrotman | udev works for me right now |
| 04:01.23 | multi_io | yeah I know, but it's too much work in the long run to apt-source everything |
| 04:01.27 | dondelelcaro | uh... udev works in Debian right now... |
| 04:01.42 | njaard | dondelelcaro: I plug a device into my usb slot.. nothing happens with hal |
| 04:01.48 | dondelelcaro | hal!=udev |
| 04:01.51 | njaard | dondelelcaro: I put a PCMCIA card in and it doesn't load the firmware |
| 04:02.00 | TraceGreen | Hello, when i load ipw2200 driver, dmsg told me load firmware fail, how shall i fix this problem? |
| 04:02.07 | njaard | hehe |
| 04:02.11 | dondelelcaro | njaard: which version of udev? which card? are you using a Debian kernel? |
| 04:02.12 | njaard | your udev is broken dude |
| 04:02.15 | njaard | just like mine |
| 04:02.20 | njaard | the solution is to use another distro |
| 04:02.22 | abrotman | mine works! |
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| 04:02.30 | dondelelcaro | right... enough of that |
| 04:02.36 | abrotman | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 04:02.38 | multi_io | and many packages create some sources during dpkg-buildpackage |
| 04:02.47 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: uh... no, they don't |
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| 04:03.42 | dondelelcaro | dpkg-buildpackage may call dpkg-source -b if you tell it to, but that's about it. [And that's not the packages, that's dpkg-buildpackage doing so] |
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| 04:04.21 | amphi | TraceGreen: do you have the firmware installed? |
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| 04:04.22 | Roey | hi |
| 04:04.24 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: where've you been hiding ? |
| 04:04.29 | Roey | njaard: so this thing, right. |
| 04:04.31 | Roey | abrotman: HI! |
| 04:04.33 | Roey | OMG |
| 04:04.36 | abrotman | hi |
| 04:04.40 | xaque | is there a debian way to compile modules?? |
| 04:04.40 | Roey | heya |
| 04:04.41 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: was drinking and getting stuff from home despot |
| 04:04.52 | Roey | dondelelcaro: hello there. |
| 04:04.57 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: uhm .. i don't think i've seen you .. erm .. nm .. i was in WI :) |
| 04:05.42 | TraceGreen | amphi, yeah, i have downloaded firmware and copy it to /lib/firmware/ |
| 04:05.58 | dondelelcaro | xaque: depends on which module you want to compile |
| 04:06.03 | TraceGreen | amphi, also, i am sure its version is correct |
| 04:06.06 | Roey | oh |
| 04:06.07 | amphi | TraceGreen: is this sarge? |
| 04:06.18 | xaque | dondelelcaro: its a modules for my wireless.. ipw2200 |
| 04:06.20 | Roey | congrats guys for finally switching to python fucking 2.4 |
| 04:06.25 | Roey | jesus christ. |
| 04:06.26 | TraceGreen | amphi, sorry, but how can i check my debian's version? |
| 04:06.49 | Roey | debian python 2.5 in 2008 for the win!!!!!! |
| 04:06.54 | amphi | TraceGreen: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:06.56 | dondelelcaro | xaque: m-a a-i ipw2200; will do it |
| 04:07.03 | dondelelcaro | Roey: we've had python2.4 for ages. |
| 04:07.10 | Roey | dondelelcaro: not as default. |
| 04:07.29 | Wyzard | xaque: What kernel are you using? |
| 04:07.30 | multi_io | I think that maybe as a developer it would be nice to have a Debian-based distro that automatically downloads all the pre-built source trees along with the non-stripped binary packages |
| 04:07.39 | xaque | dondelelcaro: what? |
| 04:07.39 | Roey | dondelelcaro: about two months ago, you had to specify "python2.4" if you wanted 2.4. |
| 04:07.46 | xaque | Wyzard: I am just about to compile the latest amd64 |
| 04:07.55 | multi_io | so you'd not spend huge amounts of time compiling, and still have the sources... |
| 04:07.55 | Roey | dondelelcaro: the changeover from the default 2.3.5 happened only recently |
| 04:07.57 | dondelelcaro | Roey: sure, but anything that actually required 2.4 would have pulled it in anyway |
| 04:08.01 | TraceGreen | amphi, testing/unstable |
| 04:08.14 | Wyzard | xaque: ipw2200 is in the kernel already -- you don't need to compile it as an external module |
| 04:08.28 | xaque | Wyzard: where? |
| 04:08.29 | amphi | TraceGreen: dunno about that; I'm on sarge, and the fw lives in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 04:08.37 | dondelelcaro | xaque: you need module-assistant; I gave you the command to build it if you don't already have it |
| 04:08.39 | Roey | dondelelcaro: right, but the scripts that I wrote for my ~/bin would need to hard-code the path to python2.4 if they needed python2.4 feature.s |
| 04:08.54 | xaque | dondelelcaro: Ok, cool. thanks |
| 04:08.59 | amphi | Wyzard: the out of tree version is newer |
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| 04:09.04 | Roey | njaard: hi |
| 04:09.04 | TraceGreen | amphi, i also copy firmware to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 04:09.12 | Wyzard | xaque: If you're custom-compiling, there's a section for wireless devices |
| 04:09.36 | xaque | Wyzard: yeah, I have compiled many kernels, I have jsut enver seen ipw2200 in there |
| 04:09.37 | Roey | abrotman: couldja unmute njaard? |
| 04:09.37 | Wyzard | amphi: 2.6.17 has ipw2200 v1.1.1, which is pretty recent |
| 04:09.44 | amphi | TraceGreen: then it should work, assumung you have the correct fw version |
| 04:09.44 | Roey | abrotman: he's getting fidgety |
| 04:09.51 | dondelelcaro | Roey: no; you could easily just have your path be PATH="~/bin:..." and have a symlink in ~/bin/python to python2.4 |
| 04:10.03 | Wyzard | amphi: it works flawlessly for me, so I don't see much of an urgent need to compile a newer version out-of-tree |
| 04:10.05 | abrotman | Roey: i didn't do it .. and he already said he wants to use another distro ... |
| 04:10.08 | amphi | Wyzard: ah - I'm still on 1.0.4 anyway ;) |
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| 04:10.21 | TraceGreen | amphi, i don't know, strange. BTW, Is it because hotplug? |
| 04:10.22 | Roey | dondelelcaro: then I would have had to change my profile on every system I wanted to run the script on. Eh, whatever, it's been changed over already. |
| 04:10.30 | Roey | abrotman: he was just joking of course :P |
| 04:10.38 | Wyzard | amphi: The only problem I saw with 1.0.x was that NetworkManager can't do WPA with it (but it can do WPA if you use wpasupplicant directly) |
| 04:10.47 | abrotman | Roey: well .. when you get smart with people trying to help you .. that kind of thing tends to happen |
| 04:10.53 | dondelelcaro | Roey: but in any event, the reasons why it took a while are quite well documented; see the (still nacent, unforutnatly) python policy if you want to know more... |
| 04:11.04 | Roey | ah, thanks! |
| 04:11.07 | amphi | Wyzard: network manager? |
| 04:11.21 | Roey | dondelelcaro, abrotman: he's a core KDE developer, he didnt' mean it already :) |
| 04:11.34 | Wyzard | amphi: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ |
| 04:11.53 | Roey | dondelelcaro, abrotman: and come on, it's nothing anyway. |
| 04:11.53 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: for most of the major packages, htere are -dbg packages available which you can use to load the corresponding symbols for the stripped packages |
| 04:11.56 | dondelelcaro | s/most/many |
| 04:12.05 | abrotman | Roey: i didn't do it .. i can't undo it |
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| 04:12.12 | karrot-x2 | what package is dig in? |
| 04:12.14 | Wyzard | amphi: nice panel applet for choosing wireless networks from a menu, switch between wired and wireless automatically when a cable is plugged/unplugged, etc. |
| 04:12.17 | Wyzard | karrot-x2: dnsutils |
| 04:12.19 | Roey | abrotman: alright. |
| 04:12.21 | dondelelcaro | !tell karrot-x2 -about search |
| 04:12.23 | Roey | abrotman: who's the culprit |
| 04:12.37 | amphi | Wyzard: ah - a gnome thing? |
| 04:12.40 | Roey | ah, |
| 04:12.42 | Roey | dondelelcaro: hi |
| 04:12.49 | dondelelcaro | Roey: hello. |
| 04:12.50 | Roey | dondelelcaro: couldja please unmute njaard? |
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| 04:13.01 | Wyzard | amphi: You can use it in KDE too; it's just that the UI uses GTK |
| 04:13.10 | dondelelcaro | Roey: not until he explains why he was silenced and gives me some indication that he won't be doing it agian |
| 04:13.15 | Roey | dondelelcaro: (I've been authorized to say that he'll ban me from #kde-devel. I'm his hostage.) |
| 04:13.19 | amphi | Wyzard: uhuh |
| 04:13.25 | dondelelcaro | Roey: you arguing on his behalf isn't helping |
| 04:13.30 | abrotman | Roey: he's not a very nice guy then is he? |
| 04:13.37 | Wyzard | amphi: The actual functionality is in a headless daemon, and the applet is a frontend that provides a UI and talks to the daemon |
| 04:13.40 | Roey | dondelelcaro: yeah but at least I can get a response from you |
| 04:13.44 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 04:13.46 | amphi | Wyzard: BTW, did you try the ipw2200 master mode driver at all? |
| 04:13.50 | amphi | Wyzard: uhuh, thanks |
| 04:13.55 | Wyzard | amphi: nope, haven't tried that |
| 04:14.00 | Roey | dondelelcaro: an apology from him is ok then? |
| 04:14.23 | Roey | abrotman: he's great |
| 04:14.31 | dondelelcaro | I don't need an apology; I need an explanation from him of what he did, and a clear message that he won't be doing it again. |
| 04:14.34 | abrotman | what is it with people and hugging tonight :) |
| 04:14.35 | Roey | abrotman: we commiserate on our Jewishness together. |
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| 04:14.46 | abrotman | Roey: okeedokee .. have a good night :) |
| 04:14.48 | Roey | dondelelcaro: will convey... |
| 04:14.59 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 04:15.08 | jetscreamer | like sands in the hourglass... |
| 04:15.19 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 04:15.25 | Roey | OMG JEWS |
| 04:15.28 | Roey | JEWS EVERYWHERE |
| 04:15.30 | Roey | *cough*. |
| 04:15.34 | shay | wtf |
| 04:15.36 | shay | !!2!@! |
| 04:15.38 | Roey | there |
| 04:15.40 | Roey | got your attention |
| 04:15.42 | Roey | SHAYUSH |
| 04:15.49 | shay | Roeykush |
| 04:15.50 | shay | wtf are you |
| 04:15.51 | shay | :P |
| 04:15.55 | Roey | KOOSHKOOSH :) |
| 04:16.01 | shay | MOTEK :D |
| 04:16.06 | streuner | !politics |
| 04:16.06 | dpkg | i heard politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 04:16.08 | Roey | YALDONET!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:16.08 | dondelelcaro | Roey, shay: take it elsewhere, please... |
| 04:16.12 | shay | and still, wtf are you? :P |
| 04:16.26 | Roey | Roey |
| 04:16.30 | Roey | oh |
| 04:16.34 | Roey | formal introduction: |
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| 04:16.51 | Wyzard | Roey: Please stop filling my IRC window with garbage |
| 04:16.53 | webfreak | someone who hits enter way too much |
| 04:16.58 | Roey | "Hi, I am Roey. You might remember me from such channels as #debian, #python, #kde-devel and #israel" |
| 04:17.02 | dondelelcaro | #debian-offtopic is that way --> |
| 04:17.18 | shay | ah I see |
| 04:17.50 | Roey | oof, fine :P |
| 04:17.53 | Roey | (hi amphi, btw) |
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| 04:21.07 | Roey | OMG TTYFSCKER |
| 04:21.13 | Roey | I've used your nick in so many jokes. |
| 04:21.20 | Roey | ttyfscker: thanks for the inspiration man :) |
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| 04:21.28 | ttyfscker | lol |
| 04:21.43 | alerodogom | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.05 | dondelelcaro | alerodogom: it's /etc/papersize for anything that uses libpaper |
| 04:22.14 | ttyfscker | what was that guy talking about |
| 04:22.21 | dondelelcaro | no one knows... |
| 04:22.42 | alerodogom | dondelecaro: i am going to try |
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| 04:33.42 | TraceGreen | Hello, i can not load ipw2200: unable to load fireware: -2, If i just use hotplug but not udev, is it right? |
| 04:34.02 | w32 | !kick Roey |
| 04:34.50 | Roey | jealous |
| 04:35.23 | petemc | of being kicked in the crotch? |
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| 04:35.48 | ttyfscker | TraceGreen:: you need the firmware |
| 04:35.53 | ttyfscker | i have it does your dcc work? |
| 04:37.10 | TraceGreen | ttyfscker, actually, i have downloaded the right firmware and copy it to my system |
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| 04:37.46 | anti-trend | "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu" ...excellent :) |
| 04:37.47 | ttyfscker | is it in /lib/firmware |
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| 04:38.49 | ttyfscker | /lib/firmware$ ls |
| 04:38.49 | ttyfscker | 2.6.15-26-686 2.6.18-rc2 ipw2200-ibss.fw LICENSE.ipw2200-fw |
| 04:38.49 | ttyfscker | 2.6.17.7 ipw2200-bss.fw ipw2200-sniffer.fw |
| 04:38.58 | ttyfscker | you have something like that? |
| 04:39.07 | TraceGreen | ttyfscker, i copy both /lib/firmware and /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ |
| 04:39.34 | ttyfscker | do this TraceGreen |
| 04:39.40 | ttyfscker | cd /lib/firmware |
| 04:39.43 | ttyfscker | and ls |
| 04:39.56 | ttyfscker | see if you have those *.fw files |
| 04:40.11 | TraceGreen | ttyfscker, my kernel is 2.6.14 and firmware's name : ipw2200-bss.fw ipw2200-ibss.fw ipw2200-sniffer.fw LICENSE.ipw2200-fw |
| 04:40.23 | TraceGreen | ttyfscker, i run ls /lib/firmware/ |
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| 04:41.08 | rabies | !ops |
| 04:41.08 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 04:41.21 | amphi | TraceGreen: that's wierd, I have several fw versions, and they have the version number in tye filename, eg ipw-2.3-bss_ucode.fw |
| 04:41.23 | rabies | !ops ZyaDra is spamming in ##windows |
| 04:41.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: rabies complains about: ZyaDra is spamming in ##windows |
| 04:41.36 | amphi | TraceGreen: perhaps thatis the problem |
| 04:41.42 | amphi | rabies: who gives a crap? |
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| 04:41.57 | TraceGreen | amphi, what's your verison of ipw2200? my is 1.2.0. |
| 04:41.57 | rabies | er, oops |
| 04:41.58 | rabies | sorry |
| 04:42.27 | amphi | TraceGreen: I'm still on 1.0.4 ;) IIRC it uses 2.2 fw |
| 04:42.36 | TraceGreen | amphi, and accord to readme in amphi, i can use firewareV3.0 |
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| 04:43.05 | TraceGreen | oh, so, I may try to use older version of ipw2200? |
| 04:43.13 | amphi | TraceGreen: so use it - the module may be looking for the version number in the filename was my point |
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| 04:43.48 | TraceGreen | amphi, yeah, and I don't think it is the problem of firmware's name. |
| 04:44.19 | linux__alien | I ve got a Debian Sarge 3.1 DVD. I want to know if i install Debian Sarge can i get the latest Packages ? . I cannot afford to download all the packages from the internet but few of them ? |
| 04:44.23 | linux__alien | is that Possible? |
| 04:44.47 | ttyfscker | TraceGreen:: put your fw files in the /lib/firmware top level folder |
| 04:44.47 | alerodogom | dondeclaro: i change the papersize to letter but still not printing in letter size |
| 04:44.50 | amphi | TraceGreen: the filename used to be hard coded in the driver source, I recall recompiling a verssion to use a different fw version, so it might well be the issue |
| 04:44.51 | ttyfscker | and it will work on all your kernels |
| 04:45.19 | amphi | TraceGreen: how else will the module pick the correct fw if you have multiple versions installed, as I do? |
| 04:45.44 | TraceGreen | ttyfscker, yeah, it has already in top level under /lib/firmware. |
| 04:46.29 | TraceGreen | amphi, i don't install any firmware before. |
| 04:46.45 | amphi | TraceGreen: how is that relevant? |
| 04:46.51 | ttyfscker | its not anything thats hard to do |
| 04:47.00 | ttyfscker | you just need those .fw files in your /lib/firmware |
| 04:47.08 | ttyfscker | and then do modprobe ipw2200 |
| 04:47.25 | ttyfscker | if they wont load then they probably aren't the right fw files |
| 04:47.27 | ttyfscker | and like i said |
| 04:47.35 | ttyfscker | i can dcc send you the correct ones for ipw2200 |
| 04:47.41 | amphi | TraceGreen: I think it's odd that fw files have no version no. in the file names, but perhaps that has changed since I last got a new ipw2200 version |
| 04:47.51 | ttyfscker | for thats what i use on my dell inspiron |
| 04:48.07 | TraceGreen | ttyfscker, ok, i check the name of firmware in ipw2200's source code. |
| 04:48.14 | amphi | ttyfscker: the fw version must be correct for the module version |
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| 04:48.24 | xaque | I have irda on my machine, what the heck is that good for? |
| 04:48.33 | amphi | xaque: infrared |
| 04:48.44 | xaque | amphi: right, but what can I do with it? |
| 04:49.38 | amphi | xaque: talk to portable devices like phones and pdas, use a remote control for mplayer, networking, ... |
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| 04:50.20 | xaque | amphi: where can I find more information on a couple of those things you mentioned? |
| 04:50.53 | amphi | xaque: not that I have done any of those ;) I use bluetooth for backing up my phone and using it as a modem |
| 04:51.06 | amphi | xaque: there's a howto at tldp.org |
| 04:51.13 | monocle | xaque, apt-cache search lirc |
| 04:51.14 | TraceGreen | amphi, when you load ipw2200, do you have such module : firmware_class ? |
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| 04:51.28 | Lilandra | hi |
| 04:51.28 | ttyfscker | TraceGreen:: do you want to try these fw files |
| 04:51.32 | ttyfscker | to see if they will work |
| 04:51.36 | amphi | TraceGreen: sure do |
| 04:51.55 | Lilandra | so when i install from netinst...and choose desktop environment to install, it installs BOTH kde and gnome? |
| 04:51.59 | amphi | ttyfscker: he can presumably get all the fw versions off the web |
| 04:52.09 | xaque | amphi: I never understood when I would use bluetooth. is it nice? |
| 04:52.17 | TraceGreen | ttyfscker, no, i think my firmware is ok, some other problem. |
| 04:52.30 | TraceGreen | amphi, oh, i don't have such module. |
| 04:53.13 | TraceGreen | amphi, i check the ipw2200's source code, it seems firmware_class told me the right firmware. but i don't have such module , why? |
| 04:53.24 | amphi | TraceGreen: dunno |
| 04:53.31 | amphi | TraceGreen: you do need it |
| 04:53.44 | TraceGreen | amphi, let me google it |
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| 04:53.56 | amphi | xaque: it has the advantage that it is not line-of-site, and is longer range than IR |
| 04:54.09 | amphi | TraceGreen: you need to modprobe it ;) |
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| 04:54.39 | xaque | amphi: so you backup your phone to your machine? |
| 04:54.39 | TraceGreen | amphi, not found such module... |
| 04:54.57 | amphi | TraceGreen: is this a kernel you built yourself? |
| 04:54.58 | jelly | amphi: meh, dependencies should have had taken care of loading firmware_class. |
| 04:55.22 | amphi | jelly: true |
| 04:55.23 | TraceGreen | amphi, yeah. and i have recompiled it accord ipw2200's instruction |
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| 04:55.38 | amphi | TraceGreen: well, you need to build that module |
| 04:55.53 | amphi | xaque: yeah |
| 04:55.58 | Lilandra | if i do the netinst, will i get a console only system and can use that until i'm ready to apt-get things? |
| 04:56.02 | jelly | I'm happy with 2.6.17's in-kernel version of ipw2200. |
| 04:56.13 | TraceGreen | amphi, i check my kernel's config, don't find "firmware_class", or which module should i compile in? |
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| 04:56.19 | amphi | xaque: with multisync, it works well with my ancient ericsson t39 |
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| 04:57.39 | amphi | TraceGreen: I don't recall what option it is, I haven't built a kernel for a while |
| 04:58.16 | amphi | xaque: just backing up the address book |
| 04:58.19 | TraceGreen | amphi, thanks so much! I think it is the problem of this module |
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| 04:59.00 | amphi | TraceGreen: it definitely won't work without it |
| 04:59.31 | TraceGreen | amphi, yeah, but i don't find any module in config file such as "firmware_class" |
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| 05:02.08 | amphi | TraceGreen: device drivers -> generic driver options -> Hotplug firmware loading support I think |
| 05:02.57 | TraceGreen | amphi, i have compiled it in kernel but not module , does it matter? |
| 05:03.40 | amphi | TraceGreen: dunno - it shouldn't IMHO, but perhaps it does |
| 05:04.08 | TraceGreen | amphi, what do you mean of "IMHO" |
| 05:04.22 | alerodogom | how do i configure printers paper size in text mode since grafic will not allow me to change paper size in printer settings? |
| 05:05.04 | amphi | TraceGreen: 'in my humble opinion' |
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| 05:07.33 | xsquared | hi, how do you turn off TX checksumming with an onboard (0000:00:0a.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 Ethernet Controller (rev a3)) network adapter? |
| 05:07.54 | xsquared | when i type in "sudo ethtool -K eth0 tx off", it says |
| 05:07.58 | xsquared | Cannot set device tx csum settings: Operation not supported |
| 05:08.02 | giglf | can someone please tell me what "umask=000,uid=1000,gid=10" means when mounting a drive? How do I know which user corresponds to which id? |
| 05:08.05 | xsquared | any ideas? |
| 05:08.06 | insmodaway | alerodogom: cups? |
| 05:08.08 | zaphands | Hello! I'm having a weird problem: On the second time I log in without rebooting I loose the ability to write all the special characters which require a shift (|:#@ etc) but I can write capital letters. What can it be?? |
| 05:08.34 | xsquared | giglf, cat /etc/passwd |
| 05:08.36 | multi_io | giglf: /etc/passwd, |
| 05:08.40 | multi_io | /etc/group |
| 05:09.39 | alerodogom | insmodaway: yes cups |
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| 05:10.12 | insmodaway | alerodogom: change for good or just this time |
| 05:10.16 | multi_io | giglf: for documentation of the mount options, run "man mount" |
| 05:10.17 | zaphands | where can I get xorgconfig btw? |
| 05:10.58 | alerodogom | insmodaway: for good |
| 05:11.09 | alerodogom | to print in letter size not a4 |
| 05:11.23 | streuner | zaphands: to configure xorg? |
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| 05:11.35 | zaphands | streuner: yes |
| 05:11.39 | streuner | zaphands: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 05:12.28 | insmodaway | alerodogom: edit the ppd |
| 05:12.35 | zaphands | streuner: It's not good enough I guess.. since I have the no @#$% problem. |
| 05:13.11 | insmodaway | alerodogom: why can't you do it in graphics? |
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| 05:13.44 | alerodogom | isnmodaway: i can change but it does not work |
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| 05:14.18 | streuner | zaphands: what kind of problem is that? if you use something else visit the channel for your distro. |
| 05:14.27 | insmodaway | alerodogom: as root |
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| 05:14.58 | alerodogom | insmodaway: yes as root in kde |
| 05:15.32 | insmod | alerodogom: kprinter should be able to do it for each user |
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| 05:15.50 | zaphands | streuner: I'm used to gentoo, and installed debian the first time. On the second login using xdm I lose the @#$|:! characters until I restart X. That's very annoying. |
| 05:16.08 | alerodogom | insmodaway: yes i know but this distro knoppix 5.0 is presenting this problem |
| 05:16.38 | insmod | alerodogom: http://localhost:631/admin |
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| 05:19.03 | streuner | zaphands: using testing or unstable? |
| 05:19.29 | xjkx | couldn't find a shellscripting channel...anybody knows how to make a script which with an argument it do something? like script -d then it does a command, script -e then it does another one...i know how to ask the user with "type 1 for command x, type 2 for command y" but it wouldn't help |
| 05:19.35 | xjkx | too boring |
| 05:19.46 | insmod | xjkx: yes |
| 05:20.01 | xjkx | could you tell me? |
| 05:20.11 | giglf | i'm logged in as root, but I'm told that I can't delete a file because I'm not the owner |
| 05:20.23 | giglf | how do I take over ownership of the file? |
| 05:20.37 | insmod | xjkx: but in perl |
| 05:21.18 | giglf | rm filename >> give me "operation not permitted" |
| 05:21.35 | giglf | should I have rights as root? |
| 05:21.40 | xjkx | :s i don't know perl but if its not a big code...might help ;] any website explainning? |
| 05:21.46 | streuner | giglf: sure |
| 05:22.03 | zaphands | streuner: unstable. |
| 05:22.21 | streuner | giglf: run 'mount' is the drive in rw or ro mode |
| 05:22.36 | streuner | zaphands: what does BTS say about? |
| 05:22.46 | zaphands | BTS? |
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| 05:22.57 | streuner | !tell zaphands about bts |
| 05:23.05 | giglf | streuner: /dev/mapper/truecrypt0 on /home/cook/true type ntfs (rw,umask=000,uid=1000,gid=100,uid=0,gid=0) |
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| 05:23.40 | streuner | oh |
| 05:24.29 | streuner | there are easier ways to shoot yourself into foot, and i am not going to help you for that :-) |
| 05:25.09 | giglf | shoot yourself into foot? are you talking to me? |
| 05:25.38 | zaphands | streuner: no idea how to search for that kind of bug. |
| 05:25.47 | streuner | writing to NTFS causes headaches |
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| 05:26.06 | giglf | I'd like to remove some files there |
| 05:26.23 | Guerin | giglf: i'd like a pony |
| 05:26.35 | streuner | NTFS |
| 05:26.54 | alerodogom | insmodaway: client-error-not-possible |
| 05:27.08 | alerodogom | this the message i have in localhost admin |
| 05:27.24 | giglf | streuner: is it impossible to do what I want? |
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| 05:31.00 | zaphands | streuner: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is not doing anything. I simply asks me questions but it doesn't update the xorg.conf at all! |
| 05:31.06 | alerodogom | insmod: this is what it says when trying to configure printer |
| 05:31.11 | zaphands | I=it^ |
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| 05:32.13 | insmod | alerodogom: where you root? |
| 05:32.33 | alerodogom | insmod: no user |
| 05:32.44 | insmod | alerodogom: must be root |
| 05:33.02 | alerodogom | insmod: be right back to go to root mode |
| 05:33.07 | insmod | alerodogom: that sets global |
| 05:33.19 | alerodogom | insmod: ok thx |
| 05:36.12 | giglf | does anyone know how to write to ntfs? |
| 05:36.15 | streuner | zaphands: did you verify that? (ls -l xorg.conf)? |
| 05:37.02 | multi_io | giglf: it's considered experimental I think |
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| 05:39.47 | Guerin | fucking stupid sid kernel broke sound |
| 05:39.53 | giglf | what file systems are read+writable for windows & debian??? |
| 05:39.54 | Guerin | ~ac97 |
| 05:39.57 | apt | ac97 is probably there's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip |
| 05:39.57 | zaphands | streuner: yes. I even mv the file to another name and it didn't create a new one. |
| 05:40.02 | Guerin | !ac97 |
| 05:40.02 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 05:40.03 | multi_io | giglf: gunzip -c /proc/config.gz | grep NTFS_RW |
| 05:40.05 | Roey | giglf: fat32 |
| 05:40.06 | Guerin | giglf: fat |
| 05:40.17 | Roey | giglf: there is also a (newer) ntfs driver for linux |
| 05:40.20 | Roey | linux (kernel) |
| 05:40.45 | Guerin | if you have to ask,. you're not the sort of person who wants to be dicing with linux ntfs read/write support |
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| 05:41.05 | multi_io | giglf: if that command outputs "# CONFIG_NTFS_RW is not set", then you have no NTFS write support in your currently running kernel |
| 05:41.09 | Roey | Guerin: what was the status on that newer ntfs driver? |
| 05:41.12 | Guerin | it's soprt of like putting some crazy sort of experimental fuel in your car and hoping it doesn't Fuck Shit Up |
| 05:41.21 | Roey | LOL |
| 05:41.56 | Guerin | Roey: until a filesystem driver is at least a few years old, it's dangerously experimental. If it's written from reverse-engineering rather than from a spec, you can probably triple that |
| 05:42.02 | streuner | zaphands: did you look in BTS for the "xserver-xorg" package? |
| 05:42.12 | Roey | Guerin: ah, right right. |
| 05:42.34 | giglf | multi_io: that command outputs "No such file or directory" does that mean I do have NTFS support in my kernel? |
| 05:43.02 | streuner | zaphands: and look into wiki.debian.org/status (xorg) too |
| 05:43.19 | multi_io | giglf: ok, that means you have no config.gz (it must be supported too by the kernel) |
| 05:43.35 | Guerin | giglf: try cat /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 05:43.43 | giglf | so what is easiest for me (a useless newbie), reformatting one of my local partitions to fat32 or something else? |
| 05:43.48 | multi_io | giglf: basically, just use vfat for exchanging data between windows and linux |
| 05:43.50 | Guerin | giglf: or grep NTFS /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 05:45.11 | giglf | Guerin: first command, gives a good reply, second command says NTFS_DEBUG is not set |
| 05:45.42 | giglf | so what do you guys recommend? |
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| 05:47.44 | multi_io | giglf: format a drive with fat32, then use the vfat driver to access it |
| 05:48.03 | multi_io | (drive or partition) |
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| 05:48.59 | giglf | multio_io, that means I'd have to reformat an existing local partition on this machine |
| 05:49.05 | giglf | with fat |
| 05:49.13 | giglf | is that easy to do? |
| 05:49.27 | multi_io | mkfs.vfat /dev/hdx |
| 05:49.51 | giglf | how do I know which partition to do that on? |
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| 05:50.22 | multi_io | "mount" tells you which partitions are mounted |
| 05:50.31 | giglf | mount |
| 05:50.37 | multi_io | you better make sure you don'T format any of these |
| 05:50.39 | multi_io | :) |
| 05:51.00 | giglf | haha |
| 05:51.12 | giglf | okay, so now I know which ones NOt |
| 05:51.26 | multi_io | fdisk -l /dev/hdx |
| 05:51.29 | giglf | NOT to reformat, how do I know which ones I can reformat? |
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| 05:52.22 | multi_io | you have to find some empty space on one of your drives, create a partition there using fdisk, then do the mkfs.vfat /dev/hdxy thing |
| 05:52.43 | zaphands | Can someone with a hebrew keyboard please paste his xorg.conf? Thanks. |
| 05:53.05 | giglf | okay thanks, then it's a job for fdisk |
| 05:53.29 | multi_io | fdisk /dev/hda |
| 05:53.34 | multi_io | then "p" |
| 05:53.58 | multi_io | "n" for creating a new partition I think |
| 05:54.41 | multi_io | if you have more than one IDE disk, they're named /dev/hda, /dev/hdb, /dev/hdc, /dev/hdd, normally |
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| 05:56.14 | streuner | zaphands: looks promising http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-hebrew-common/2006-April/000168.html |
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| 06:00.53 | zaphands | streuner: Thanks! |
| 06:01.11 | zaphands | Goodbye for now.. |
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| 06:05.24 | TraceGreen | amphi, oh, although i load firmware_class, wireless card don't work, the same result, firmware loaded fail. |
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| 06:12.11 | zaphands | Hello again. which firewall is simple to use, yet it doesn't require gnome or kde libs? |
| 06:12.39 | xsquared | zaphands, iptables |
| 06:12.44 | xsquared | :-) |
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| 06:13.34 | xsquared | its probably the best to use, cause all of the iptables scripts i have found don't do what I want |
| 06:13.53 | zaphands | all the scripts I have found simply don't work :-S |
| 06:13.54 | w32 | port forwarding all inbound http traffic on 192.168.0.169 to 127.0.0.1 would be accomplished how using iptables ? I kind of understand it but not really I'm missing something-can anyone help ? |
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| 06:17.37 | Guerin | is alsa broken in sid for you lot? |
| 06:17.42 | Guerin | fucking idiots |
| 06:17.50 | Guerin | break something which ha sbeen working fine for months |
| 06:18.57 | streuner | there is an easy way to solve that, just don't use unstable. |
| 06:19.17 | Guerin | yeah, a bit late for that |
| 06:19.22 | Guerin | fucking helll |
| 06:19.26 | Guerin | x is busted too |
| 06:19.33 | Guerin | sid is a lot worse than when I last used it |
| 06:19.46 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 06:19.51 | Guerin | now I have to reinstall |
| 06:19.58 | w32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.33 | Roey | oh right |
| 06:20.34 | Roey | yes |
| 06:20.40 | Roey | good call, streuner |
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| 06:20.55 | w32 | if I'm attempting to forward all inbound http traffic on 192.168.0.169 to 127.0.0.1:80 |
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| 06:21.19 | kryptoz_ | Hi alll |
| 06:21.24 | Roey | hi |
| 06:23.05 | kryptoz_ | can anyone help me configure the pptp vpn connection to a windows vpn server |
| 06:23.10 | kryptoz_ | i downloaded pptpd |
| 06:23.30 | kryptoz_ | but its not straight forward |
| 06:23.31 | kryptoz_ | :( |
| 06:24.08 | multi_io | w32: I think FORWARD is only for packets that would be routed through the box |
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| 06:27.09 | w32 | multi_io: oh, any ideas based on the above ? |
| 06:27.17 | multi_io | w32: and -s and -d are for *matching* the source resp. destination IP, not for altering them |
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| 06:27.36 | w32 | yeah see I don't get it |
| 06:27.48 | w32 | it's easy to use but... |
| 06:28.04 | w32 | maybe i'm just tired |
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| 06:28.24 | multi_io | well, it's been a long while for me too :) |
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| 06:28.51 | multi_io | so 192.168.0.169 is an IP of the box you're doing this on? |
| 06:29.07 | Guerin | well |
| 06:29.10 | w32 | thing is this is a virtual debian server inside of a debian host |
| 06:29.14 | Guerin | it's a good thing I'm an apt ninja |
| 06:29.27 | w32 | .169 is the virtual adapter address |
| 06:29.42 | w32 | 127.0.0.1 is what apache is listening on |
| 06:29.58 | w32 | it will be strictly and intranet server |
| 06:30.04 | multi_io | why not just let apache listen on the 1.169 too? :) |
| 06:30.10 | multi_io | *.169 |
| 06:31.08 | w32 | well I'm not sure how I just did an apt-get install otrs and apache couldn't resolve the fqdn so it assumed the loopback |
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| 06:32.53 | w32 | apache is a "dependancy" to run otrs |
| 06:33.58 | w32 | I didn't want to mess with it yet, just thought I could port forward to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 06:38.37 | Guerin | hm |
| 06:38.44 | Guerin | and now I can't repeat my bug |
| 06:38.50 | Guerin | i wonder if a reboot would do it |
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| 06:43.29 | saptech | hello all |
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| 06:44.06 | Guerin | hm, well, I suppose that's for the best |
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| 06:44.38 | Guerin | it appears to work now, having reverted to an earlier version of alsa-{base,utils} ... even though I've now installed the broken version again. |
| 06:44.58 | streuner | so its impossible to use OSS? |
| 06:45.35 | Guerin | streuner: i tried oss as well, but it gave me alsa errors |
| 06:45.57 | Guerin | so I think it may have just been a transient alsa fuckup peculiar to my machine |
| 06:45.58 | streuner | hm, sounds it loads ALSA modules then |
| 06:46.08 | streuner | .. |
| 06:46.53 | Guerin | but I did figure out that it's this rhine card which was causing my box to crash whenever the laptop comes out sleep |
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| 07:02.02 | Dave|id | anyone got any experience with Debian and Cricket |
| 07:02.12 | Dave|id | did an apt-get install cricket |
| 07:02.17 | Dave|id | and also rrdtool |
| 07:02.34 | Dave|id | copied the http-performance ones in |
| 07:02.41 | Dave|id | graphs come up |
| 07:03.05 | Dave|id | tailing /var/log/cricket/ALL.log show that results are coming in |
| 07:03.21 | Dave|id | but nothing actually comes up on the graphs |
| 07:03.42 | Dave|id | no data |
| 07:03.47 | Dave|id | no lines |
| 07:04.59 | kevsthabest | how does postgresql compare to mysql4? im having too many issues with getting php and mysql to work together |
| 07:06.44 | Guerin | kevsthabest: mysql is like sony: it's common, simple and not very good. |
| 07:06.53 | Guerin | kevsthabest: postgresql is like denon. |
| 07:07.27 | kevsthabest | lol, love the comparision(sp??), is it much harder to setup? |
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| 07:07.53 | Guerin | kevsthabest: nope, but if you're finding mysql hard to set up, it's not going to be any easier. |
| 07:08.16 | Gnea | kevsthabest: like apples and oranges |
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| 07:09.07 | kevsthabest | its not that i find mysql hard to set up, its just broken on my system.. there isnt a way i can seem to get php and mysql work together.. which i dont understand why since i had no issues when i had it on my old windoze box |
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| 07:17.42 | simonrvn | mmm |
| 07:19.32 | kevsthabest | this full 10min of battery power i actually get is pretty bad |
| 07:20.01 | tuv | laptop batteries still have a long way to go |
| 07:21.06 | kevsthabest | yeah well, a 7 year old battery is still alot worse then the ones on the market now |
| 07:21.32 | tuv | 7 year old? that's a record i guess |
| 07:21.42 | simonrvn | superconductors... |
| 07:21.42 | kevsthabest | lol |
| 07:22.08 | kevsthabest | thinkpad 570 and still had the original battery it had |
| 07:22.28 | tuv | looks like you're on ac most of the time |
| 07:23.30 | kevsthabest | lol ohyeah! ive been trying to cycle the battery, but isnt helping |
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| 07:25.54 | creichen | Hi! If 'ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 up' gives me "SIOCSIFADDR: No such device", what might that mean? |
| 07:26.31 | Guerin | creichen: you have no loopback device |
| 07:26.50 | creichen | OK. What kernel module do I need for that? |
| 07:26.57 | Guerin | creichen: beats me. |
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| 07:27.07 | Guerin | creichen: it really shuld be loaded automatically. |
| 07:27.20 | simonrvn | i'm amazed... that's two this week i've seen that have kernels with no loopback support... amazing what people will do... |
| 07:27.20 | creichen | OK, so far we are in agreement :-/ |
| 07:27.47 | creichen | I guess that's what I get for installing 'etch' on a Miata ;-> |
| 07:27.48 | Guerin | creichen: your own kernel? |
| 07:27.57 | kevsthabest | what would be the poing of a kernel without loopback....? |
| 07:28.00 | Guerin | creichen: you installed etch on a CAR? |
| 07:28.09 | kevsthabest | *point |
| 07:28.27 | creichen | Heh ;-) ``Miata'' is also the name of an EV5 mainboard. |
| 07:28.56 | creichen | EV5 is an older DEC Alpha CPU (21164). |
| 07:29.12 | simonrvn | is 'mainboard' what they call motherboard nowadays? |
| 07:29.20 | kevsthabest | lol yeah |
| 07:29.56 | simonrvn | i call 'em mobo for short =) |
| 07:30.00 | creichen | I used to think that ``motherboard'' was a term that was only used in Germany... everyone called them ``mainboards'' after I moved to the US... |
| 07:30.35 | wols_ | creichen: I thought EV5 is simply a bus protocol. used by alphas |
| 07:31.51 | creichen | wols_: My recollection is that ``EV = Extended VAX'', referring to the CPU itself. But I'm not a hardware expert. |
| 07:31.57 | creichen | Specifically not when it comes to naming things. |
| 07:32.19 | creichen | Anyway, I think I'm going to re-install this thing. What's the last Debian that used the pre-xorg X11? |
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| 07:32.30 | wols_ | sarge |
| 07:32.36 | creichen | wols_: OK, thanks! |
| 07:32.45 | creichen | Time to get some sleep now, that's a project for tomorrow. |
| 07:32.54 | creichen | Thanks again, everyone! |
| 07:32.56 | wols_ | but why do you want xfree86? |
| 07:33.00 | wols_ | no real benefit imho |
| 07:33.10 | creichen | wols_: xorg dies on me. XFree86 used to work. |
| 07:33.22 | creichen | wols_: Might be something else, admittedly... |
| 07:33.42 | creichen | ...but my guess is that xorg will not put too much effort on properly supporting end-of-life platforms. |
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| 07:33.56 | creichen | Anyway, 'night! |
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| 07:34.18 | Guerin | !test |
| 07:34.19 | dpkg | Yes, guerin, you're still online. |
| 07:34.25 | Guerin | dpkg: you lie. |
| 07:34.25 | dpkg | I most certainly do not! |
| 07:34.50 | simonrvn | dpkg: yes you do |
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| 07:35.21 | simonrvn | dpkg needs more crap in its wee little mysql brain... |
| 07:36.27 | kevsthabest | lol |
| 07:37.05 | v01d | loool |
| 07:37.08 | v01d | poor dpkg |
| 07:37.20 | simonrvn | naw |
| 07:37.27 | simonrvn | j/k |
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| 07:47.35 | Bogaurd | hey guys, i have a 3com 3c905c built into my mobo, and linux detects it OK, loads the drivers, but then it doesnt appear as an interface... any idea why? |
| 07:47.49 | cast | is the general freeze of etch still planned for the 18th of next month? |
| 07:48.00 | kevsthabest | hey guys,, a non-debian question but i'll still ask:), what would be the best setup for a internet/gaming cafe? a server/terminals setup, or just a bunch of individual systems |
| 07:48.21 | dondelelcaro | cast: there won't be a general freeze for a while; that's a freeze of base. |
| 07:48.39 | dondelelcaro | (and base probably will freeze about then) |
| 07:48.44 | cast | ahhh. |
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| 07:49.54 | Guerin | Bogaurd: because you haven't set it up? |
| 07:49.54 | Guerin | Bogaurd: what happens when you do ifconfig eth0 up 10.0.0.1 |
| 07:49.54 | Guerin | kevsthabest: gaming is best done on local machines |
| 07:49.54 | Guerin | kevsthabest: on account of cpupower/network latency/etc. |
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| 07:50.25 | Bogaurd | Guerin: there's no eth0 :S |
| 07:50.32 | Bogaurd | ifconfig only shows 'lo' |
| 07:50.43 | Bogaurd | thats why I'm a bit puzzled. |
| 07:50.46 | Guerin | Bogaurd: did the command succeed? |
| 07:50.55 | wols_ | Bogaurd: ifconfig -a |
| 07:51.01 | wols_ | unconfigured devices don't show by default |
| 07:51.33 | Bogaurd | nope... it said no such device |
| 07:51.38 | Bogaurd | let me try that wols_ |
| 07:51.55 | Guerin | Bogaurd: no such device means you don't have any network hardware that's usable |
| 07:52.07 | Guerin | suggest you put in another card |
| 07:52.21 | Bogaurd | ah |
| 07:52.27 | Bogaurd | ifconfig -a shows it |
| 07:52.30 | wols_ | if there is "no such device", how do you know the driver loaded ok? |
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| 07:52.42 | Bogaurd | though it's named eth2... |
| 07:52.51 | Guerin | Bogaurd: if -a shows it tthen it should come up when you tell it to with the command I told you |
| 07:52.54 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:52.59 | Bogaurd | well, it doesnt complain when i modprobe it |
| 07:53.00 | Guerin | ok, that explains it |
| 07:53.02 | wols_ | Bogaurd: man interfaces |
| 07:53.04 | Bogaurd | :) |
| 07:53.13 | Guerin | stupid onboard cards |
| 07:53.18 | Guerin | hm, speaking of which |
| 07:53.28 | Guerin | i have onboard video |
| 07:53.31 | wols_ | *eth1 |
| 07:53.44 | Guerin | if I put in a pci vid card, i have to choose one or other in bioa |
| 07:53.45 | wols_ | Guerin: that's worse than onboard NICs |
| 07:53.45 | Guerin | s |
| 07:54.03 | Guerin | wols_: oh, I know, but since I don't need anything other than pixels on a screen ... |
| 07:54.11 | Bogaurd | wols_, there used to be 2 other cards in there, eth0 and eth1, but I'm replacing one of them, hoping to use the onboard NIC instead |
| 07:54.18 | Guerin | anyway, is it normally possible to use both onboard and an external vid card? |
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| 07:54.37 | Bogaurd | I want to replace the card that was eth0 with the onboard NIC |
| 07:54.57 | Bogaurd | Guerin, i dunno, but i have run 2x PCI video cards together no worries |
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| 07:55.13 | wols_ | unlike windows, linux doesn't care what was in a machine before. first loaded driver thets eth0 |
| 07:55.23 | Bogaurd | uhh |
| 07:55.25 | Bogaurd | :S |
| 07:55.40 | Bogaurd | wols_, so why am I getting eth2 and no other interfaces when i only have one card in there? |
| 07:56.16 | wols_ | Bogaurd: no clue |
| 07:56.44 | wols_ | Guerin: it usually is possible to have 2 cards even with integrated graphics |
| 07:56.53 | Bogaurd | hmm |
| 07:56.58 | wols_ | only difference is the "boot fisrt from X" setting i nbios |
| 07:57.20 | Bogaurd | no idea as to how i could get linux to recognise the eth2 interface as eth0 instead? |
| 07:57.26 | kevsthabest | it would depend on you bios.. ive seen systems that will let onboard video stay on with a pci card in, and others i havent |
| 07:57.29 | wols_ | no, "initialize first" |
| 07:57.38 | Bogaurd | cause i just tried putting one of the old cards back in, and now I have eth1 and eth2 |
| 07:57.41 | Bogaurd | but no eth0 |
| 07:57.42 | wols_ | Bogaurd: ifrename |
| 07:57.43 | Guerin | hm, speaking of which |
| 07:58.00 | Bogaurd | thanks wols_ |
| 07:58.04 | Bogaurd | lemme give that a shot |
| 07:58.04 | Guerin | trying to run two x servers at once, with two separate users |
| 07:58.12 | Guerin | i get the bad magic cookie thing |
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| 08:02.42 | kevsthabest | anyone know of a decent free webhost? |
| 08:02.53 | Guerin | kevsthabest: no such thing, by definition |
| 08:03.19 | kevsthabest | im sick of trying to get sql and php to work together |
| 08:03.58 | Bogaurd | hey wols_, I worked out the eth2 thing, if you're still interested |
| 08:04.15 | Bogaurd | there was a file /etc/iftab, which listed an interface name and a mac address |
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| 08:05.19 | apokalypsa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:06.32 | Guerin | apokalypsa: disable arts |
| 08:06.49 | apokalypsa | how i disable arts ? |
| 08:06.55 | Guerin | apokalypsa: kcontrol |
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| 08:09.58 | apokalypsa | where i disable in kcontrol arts ? |
| 08:09.59 | apokalypsa | pls target |
| 08:11.40 | Sambrista | Hi everybody! I have an old laptop (PII @ 233) with debian installed and the problem is that every time that i do "apt-get update" It starts downloading lots of .pdiff files, around 15 or 20 per day. Is that normal?? It does it so slowly and when i the computer have not been used for a week or so, i have to wait even hours to get the apt repositories updated |
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| 08:13.36 | robin_sz | kevsthabest, there are no good, free hosting services |
| 08:13.57 | robin_sz | kevsthabest, there are good services and there are free services .. |
| 08:14.30 | kevsthabest | ahwell, i guess i can just give up for a lil bit |
| 08:14.56 | robin_sz | kevsthabest, given that php and mysql work perfectly, straight out of the box on debian, I think youd better pay for a service |
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| 08:15.57 | kevsthabest | bah.. like i said. im going to uninstall all the packages and then reinstall it |
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| 08:16.36 | robin_sz | this is deian Sarge? |
| 08:17.20 | kevsthabest | etch |
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| 08:18.33 | robin_sz | and mysql works OK? |
| 08:18.41 | robin_sz | from the command line client? |
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| 08:20.10 | kevsthabest | yep, server was up and everything |
| 08:20.28 | grizzly___ | hi, somehow my chmod was fucked on my system, now evertyhing is chmod 777, is any way to fix it to normal ? |
| 08:20.29 | robin_sz | and php4 or php5? |
| 08:20.36 | kevsthabest | i tried both |
| 08:20.42 | kevsthabest | its cool tho |
| 08:20.58 | kevsthabest | i just finished uninstalling all my webserver related software |
| 08:21.25 | robin_sz | well, so long as yoou had php4, libphp-adodb, php4-mysql you should have been OK |
| 08:21.48 | kevsthabest | does php5 work with mysql? |
| 08:22.13 | robin_sz | grizzly___, you can't fsck your system unless you are root ... so you should be OK, it will just be your files |
| 08:22.22 | robin_sz | kevsthabest, yes. |
| 08:22.36 | kevsthabest | okay.. |
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| 08:24.16 | TraceGreen | amphi, I have fixed wireless card, it is the problem of my hotplug |
| 08:24.50 | grizzly___ | i am root robin_sz |
| 08:25.16 | Guerin | 1 |
| 08:25.17 | Guerin | ` |
| 08:25.17 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:25.17 | Guerin | el laggo |
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| 08:25.20 | grizzly___ | robin_sz: so i run fsck and all get fixeed ? |
| 08:25.53 | grizzly___ | im seeking way so permission on system get to normal .. |
| 08:25.58 | robin_sz | well, if you tyoed a stupid command as root and stuffed it all, then im afraid a full re-install is your only hope |
| 08:26.04 | robin_sz | or restrore from backups |
| 08:26.53 | grizzly___ | dam, noone been so clever to make som little code for thos stupid ones :) |
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| 08:27.28 | BeNjisCaN | hello |
| 08:27.40 | kevsthabest | i guess thats the whole point of having users and roots seperate.. saves me grief..i wouldnt trust my gf with root access |
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| 08:27.59 | robin_sz | grizzly___, well, there is a protection system in debian and most other unixes for this |
| 08:28.38 | robin_sz | its called "permissions" ... non-root users cant break things ... |
| 08:29.14 | robin_sz | and if you use sudo and limit yourself to apt-get in the sudo config, you cant usually break things |
| 08:29.49 | robin_sz | its actually quite rare to need to chmod stuff as root on a single user debian system |
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| 08:32.07 | EvilDin | hay is there any application that i can see my statistics of webpages? |
| 08:33.06 | EvilDin | that i would see how much was transfered, how many dirrent users, ... |
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| 08:34.33 | erpo | What are the most popular package management tools? |
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| 08:36.20 | liable | apt? |
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| 08:37.30 | erpo | I mean like aptitude, synaptic, and stuff like that. |
| 08:37.34 | erpo | Frontends for apt. |
| 08:40.39 | Hoxzer | HMmm... |
| 08:40.43 | dondelelcaro | erpo: apt-get is probably still the most popular, although aptitude is quickly supplanting it |
| 08:40.51 | dondelelcaro | !tell erpo -about popcon |
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| 08:42.44 | erpo | Thanks for your help. |
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| 08:51.05 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:51.06 | dpkg | <kingk> Its pretty easy to install Flash, you just dl, unpack, and run the installer. But it doesn't work for me <takatumi> kingk: and yet you say it's easy. |
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| 08:51.29 | Darks | hi |
| 08:51.31 | simonrvn | doh! |
| 08:51.31 | Darks | i need help |
| 08:51.48 | Darks | whet is the best frp server in debian |
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| 08:52.42 | raz0 | Darks, If by frp, you mean ftp then vsftpd :] |
| 08:53.00 | raz0 | But it's entirely a matter of oppinion. |
| 08:53.04 | Darks | i need ftpserver for my network |
| 08:53.13 | Darks | to transfar file |
| 08:53.23 | raz0 | That's what FTP servers are for-. |
| 08:53.36 | robin_sz | well. ftp or just use ssh |
| 08:53.49 | Darks | ftp |
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| 08:53.57 | robin_sz | never use it myself |
| 08:54.12 | raz0 | Darks, vsftpd! |
| 08:54.24 | robin_sz | I just use scp to move stuff. secure and doesnt expose passowrds |
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| 08:55.42 | Darks | raz0 whet aboot gftpd |
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| 08:56.01 | raz0 | Darks, Don't know it. |
| 08:56.05 | robin_sz | the only real use for ftp is if you have multiple users and you dont want to give them an account on the machine and you want them to be able to upload |
| 08:56.09 | raz0 | Why not just use vsftpd? |
| 08:56.14 | Darks | ProFTPd |
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| 08:56.26 | Darks | raz0 àúä îãáø òáøéú ? |
| 08:56.35 | anapivirtua | pom pom pom |
| 08:56.40 | raz0 | vsftpd = secure, fast | proftpd = more features |
| 08:56.49 | Darks | ok thneks |
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| 08:59.09 | drbean | What's the device name, /dev/??? for a camera stuck in the USB port? |
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| 09:00.22 | user42 | try "mount /dev/sda1" or "mount /dev/sdb1" |
| 09:00.25 | user42 | worked with mine. |
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| 09:03.40 | tomcat | hello, can somebody "answer" a question for me? I am used to SELinux in Fedora and ask myself what system-hardening tools are recommended for Debian on a home-desktop that has some critical data. Should I preferrably use the "harden" package, "bastille" or yet another tool? Any recommendations? |
| 09:03.52 | tomcat | system is etch |
| 09:03.53 | Darks | razo --> i install the ProFTPd "apt-get install ProFTPd" bat i tring to run it from consol "ProFTPd" i dot get nothing |
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| 09:06.51 | wols | Darks: you know that linux is always case sensitive? |
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| 09:08.17 | wols | and you don't start a server this way eithre. /etc/init.d/proftpd start if you must start it manually |
| 09:10.37 | vchrizz | when i try to create a raid1 with mdadm, i get this error: mdadm: error opening /dev/md0: No such device or address |
| 09:10.44 | rockey | hey guys, which player support .dat file ????? |
| 09:11.05 | vchrizz | but # file /dev/md0 tells: /dev/md0: block special (9/0) |
| 09:11.16 | vchrizz | rockey: did you try mplayer? |
| 09:11.23 | wols | rockey: .dat is very generic. what kind of file? |
| 09:12.36 | wols | vchrizz: do you have support for (software) raid in your kernel? |
| 09:12.42 | rockey | vchiriz and wols : mpeg file |
| 09:12.56 | rockey | it is video file |
| 09:12.59 | vchrizz | then use mplayer :) |
| 09:13.17 | rockey | vchrizz: ok thanks |
| 09:13.27 | wols | it's probably a (s)VCD file, mpeg1 or mpeg2, so mplayer should work |
| 09:13.37 | drbean | Are there logs for this debian channel? |
| 09:13.48 | wols | don't think so |
| 09:13.56 | wols | at least no public ones |
| 09:14.17 | vchrizz | wols, hum, its a root-server with precompiled kernel optimized for it, im not much into kernel compiling, dont want to touch it if not required |
| 09:14.44 | rockey | wols: vcd file it is , but i am using ubuntu and there is kmplayer , that is for kde |
| 09:14.46 | vchrizz | how do i check if the kernel got raid support? |
| 09:15.04 | tomcat | okay, no tips here... forum time |
| 09:15.12 | wols | rockey: then go to #ubuntu. good bye |
| 09:15.49 | wols | vchrizz: LVM support. maybe look at LVM howtos |
| 09:16.30 | vchrizz | what has got lvm to do with raid? do i need lvm support for software raid? |
| 09:16.44 | wols | vchrizz: yes |
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| 09:17.12 | vchrizz | how do i see if the kernel supports it? |
| 09:17.40 | vchrizz | i tried modconf, but it seems everything is compiled in |
| 09:17.41 | wols | your .config |
| 09:18.04 | wols | if everything is compiled in it's certainly no debian kernel |
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| 09:23.39 | olleolleolle | Oh, I feel like such a dork. "There already is an SV entry in /etc/inittab. " -- and then I can not install runit. What should I begin reading? |
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| 09:24.00 | olleolleolle | (The debian is Sarge, on a Virtual Private Server.) |
| 09:24.23 | monocle | olleolleolle, have you already installed a runit deb or are you installing from source |
| 09:24.25 | monocle | ? |
| 09:24.31 | simon23 | how can i react on events like closing the "display" of my notebook ? |
| 09:24.48 | olleolleolle | My goal is to install and use PCRE, since another application needs it. Another module had it as a dependency, monocle. |
| 09:24.49 | simon23 | are there any ACPI tools available? |
| 09:25.17 | olleolleolle | monocle: The other deb being libpcre3-dev. |
| 09:26.36 | monocle | olleolleolle, hmm perl compatible regular expressions?! |
| 09:26.41 | monocle | olleolleolle, depending on runit? |
| 09:26.59 | olleolleolle | monocle: Yes, it seems like that. I just did sudo aptitude install libpcre3-dev. |
| 09:27.00 | wols | !tell simon23 about search |
| 09:27.21 | simon23 | excuse me - what do you mean ? |
| 09:27.37 | wols | you jjust got a message from dpkg. read it |
| 09:28.11 | simon23 | yes - thanks, but I already know "apt-cache search" but for what should i search ? |
| 09:28.33 | olleolleolle | monocle: It could've been something else I did -- I'm a Debian moron, still. Can I tell the package system that I am not interested in changing the way the system runs? |
| 09:28.33 | monocle | olleolleolle, fundamentally, your install is hanging on runit which thinks there's already a runit entry in inittab? |
| 09:28.39 | wols | for "acpi" prehaps?: simon23> are there any ACPI tools available? |
| 09:28.45 | olleolleolle | monocle: Like, "please, don't install runit, I never meant that, buddy" |
| 09:29.44 | monocle | olleolleolle, I see no obvious way for a dev pkg to depend on runit. It's an alternate way of managing services. |
| 09:30.06 | olleolleolle | monocle: Thanks, that clears some clouds from this investigation. |
| 09:30.07 | wols | simon23: especially look at "acpi-support" |
| 09:30.55 | simon23 | wols: well - that might fit to my needs... indeed - thanks! |
| 09:31.00 | rob__ | is it possible to install ubuntu packages on etch |
| 09:31.04 | olleolleolle | monocle: How can I tell the package system that I never intended to use runit? All I have tried installing are some Apache parts, and Ruby and not much else. |
| 09:31.08 | tomcat | semprons should use the k7 kernel, right? |
| 09:31.48 | monocle | olleolleolle, perhaps something else is hanging on installation of runit and installing libpcre3-dev brought a half installed pkg (runit) to your attention. |
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| 09:32.35 | PepperBob | hi all |
| 09:32.43 | olleolleolle | monocle: Most probably. Is there a troubleshooting protocol for me to follow in these situations? Like, How Do I Find The Culprit who wanted runit? |
| 09:32.51 | PepperBob | where can i see if a script is started at boot? it was some directory.. but can't remember... :/ |
| 09:33.13 | PepperBob | script or service (e.h. sshd) |
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| 09:34.03 | rob__ | ps -A | grep service_name |
| 09:34.09 | monocle | olleolleolle, If you have synaptic installed it's a snap to zero in on runit and look at what packages are depending on it. apt-cache gurus might suggest a way to search reverse dependancies here. |
| 09:34.14 | rob__ | will tell you if its running PepperBob |
| 09:34.36 | rob__ | try man lsof PepperBob also |
| 09:34.49 | olleolleolle | monocle: I will try looking at synaptic. It's a commandline tool, I take it. |
| 09:35.10 | PepperBob | rob__: thank you! |
| 09:35.29 | monocle | olleolleolle, no it's gtk. |
| 09:35.38 | simon23 | whats the option for apt-cache to show information to a specified package ? showpkg doesnt do that...? |
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| 09:35.56 | PepperBob | rob__: i just found it again: the to be started services are symlinked in those directories /etc/rc*.d/.. |
| 09:36.00 | simon23 | information like what it (the package) does. |
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| 09:36.14 | olleolleolle | monocle: OK, then. Is aptitude the "preferred" command-line frontend for apt-* ? Just your opinion, I mean. |
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| 09:36.26 | monocle | olleolleolle, Ahh, apt-cache rdepends runit |
| 09:37.39 | simon23 | !tell simon23 about sdparm |
| 09:38.24 | monocle | olleolleolle, dselect was awfull. aptitude was alright. With synaptic I "browse" and get the big picture, but rely on apt-cache, apt, and dpkg, for specific command line stuff. |
| 09:38.30 | wols | simon23: apt-cache show |
| 09:38.31 | olleolleolle | Hm, monocle , does this mean that my system should be handling services with runit? (From the little I know about runit, it simplifies the services model. Some computers boot quicker with it than with the older services system.) |
| 09:38.52 | olleolleolle | monocle: Good overview. Thanks. |
| 09:39.00 | wols | simon23: and you can simply msg dpkg: /msg dpkg sdparm |
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| 09:39.54 | olleolleolle | monocle: Now my system has PCRE. And I can go on to grab the zlib library. I removed the runit package, and things began working. I got no "dependency trouble warnings" when removing. |
| 09:40.26 | monocle | olleolleolle, It sounded like runit was refusing to install as if there were a previous boked installation of it. There are two ways of integrating it: replace /sbin/init or start runsvdir as a service vi inittab. |
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| 09:41.24 | olleolleolle | monocle: Thanks, I'll paste that line into a To-Be-Thought-About text file. *learning* |
| 09:42.54 | monocle | olleolleolle, maybe runit got marked for installation as "suggested" or "recommended". |
| 09:42.56 | simon23 | wols: hey - thanks again,... but msg to dpkg doesnt work like that !? is there something else to consider? |
| 09:43.59 | olleolleolle | monocle: Yes, I'll be ready to install it and switch to it when I run into trouble the next time. Last time I was using Debian, the dselect was all there was. |
| 09:45.41 | monocle | olleolleolle, you mean synaptic or runit? |
| 09:45.53 | olleolleolle | monocle: runit. |
| 09:46.12 | olleolleolle | monocle: I was just mentioning how rusty I am with Debian. |
| 09:46.18 | monocle | olleolleolle, It's a very cool piece of software. |
| 09:46.34 | olleolleolle | Oh, food. See you soon. |
| 09:47.11 | wols | simon23: there is no "sdparm" factoid for dpkg |
| 09:47.22 | wols | for factoids that exist, it will work |
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| 09:53.03 | simon23 | wols: what is a factoid ? (dictionary search had no luck) |
| 09:53.41 | DaBlade | simon23: Remove the "oid" and you'll know what it is. |
| 09:54.17 | wols | entries in dpkg's database basically |
| 09:54.33 | simon23 | DaBlade: :-) well - small problems when someone has another native language... |
| 09:54.38 | wols | DaBlade: and what dpkg disperses are not facts. some things are but not all by far |
| 09:54.49 | wols | !gender |
| 09:54.49 | dpkg | I'm lesbian |
| 09:54.52 | DaBlade | simon23: Not really. English is my third language. :) |
| 09:55.27 | DaBlade | wols: So dpkg is, in fact, minitrue? :) |
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| 09:55.43 | simon23 | DaBlade: wow ! english is my second... but mostly i'm "just" missing some vocabulary. |
| 09:55.59 | DaBlade | ok |
| 09:56.49 | DaBlade | BTW, the first word in the sentence is always capital, and 'I', when used as a word, is always a capital letter. |
| 09:57.51 | wols | not as bad as minitrue |
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| 09:58.03 | DaBlade | wols: Ok. :) |
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| 10:03.20 | anabain | where can I download this .deb: linux-image-2.6.17-1-k7 ? Official web says isn't available |
| 10:03.39 | stoned | !info linux-image-2.6.17-1-k7 |
| 10:04.04 | stoned | package is non existent |
| 10:04.07 | stoned | !snapshot |
| 10:04.07 | dpkg | hmm... debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 10:04.10 | stoned | !snapshots |
| 10:04.11 | dpkg | well, debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 10:04.13 | stoned | doh |
| 10:04.17 | stoned | try here maybe |
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| 10:05.59 | stoned | man, I wokeup with a heartburn |
| 10:06.01 | anabain | ok |
| 10:06.04 | stoned | 4am saturday monring |
| 10:06.07 | stoned | how horrible is that |
| 10:06.09 | stoned | I feel shitty |
| 10:07.41 | monocle | stoned, Well... what were you smoking? |
| 10:07.57 | xorl | what gnome menu editor would you guys recommend |
| 10:08.22 | xorl | i am so used to fvwm and not into the gnome scene i wouldnt know where to look for this |
| 10:08.26 | xorl | lol |
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| 10:08.38 | azeem | xorl: just try one, and if you don't like it, try another |
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| 10:08.48 | xorl | i only see one in the etch repo |
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| 10:09.01 | azeem | then use that |
| 10:09.19 | stoned | I wasn't smoking anything |
| 10:09.20 | xorl | hmm, it doesnt quite do what I need to do |
| 10:09.35 | stoned | I think it was a whole bag of skittles I ate last night that might have done it |
| 10:09.42 | stoned | I can't help it, I love candy |
| 10:10.27 | robin_sz | do her paresnts know? |
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| 10:10.46 | psycodad | lol |
| 10:11.30 | azeem | xorl: then try try to describe your problem or read the documentation |
| 10:12.15 | xorl | azeem: A) Want to rename "Applications" (can I do that in gconf?) |
| 10:12.28 | stoned | xorl, have you tried kde? |
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| 10:12.46 | stoned | xorl, I actually swear by it, and I love Qt of course, much more than gtk |
| 10:12.48 | azeem | xorl: hwy? |
| 10:12.51 | azeem | eh, why |
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| 10:13.07 | azeem | xorl: I am not sure you can do that in gconf, you might need to patch the source |
| 10:13.09 | xorl | Cause I prefer it to not be called applications. |
| 10:13.25 | xorl | i used another editor previously that could do it. |
| 10:13.25 | azeem | xorl: maybe GNOME isn't for you then |
| 10:13.38 | azeem | xorl: which one are you using now? |
| 10:13.48 | xorl | All i can find is alacarte |
| 10:13.53 | xorl | I can't remember the name of the other one. |
| 10:13.53 | anabain | I'm in debian snapshots site and I've found 2.6.17-1 stuff, but there's no .deb, only this: linux-2.6_2.6.17-1.dsc, .orig.tar.gz, and .diff.gz. |
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| 10:14.23 | psycodad | maybe blackbox is for you, you can hack up (to be exact you have to) your menus |
| 10:14.31 | azeem | xorl: that might be the only one. There used to smeg, but it doesn't look like it's in Debian |
| 10:15.00 | stoned | flux is a better black |
| 10:15.02 | azeem | anabain: follow the link |
| 10:15.04 | stoned | don't you think? |
| 10:15.15 | user42 | xgl j0 |
| 10:15.16 | stoned | better as in features wise, its more stuff |
| 10:15.55 | psycodad | i used bb years ago when running openbsd on my desktop and i remember it beeing lean and fast and it did all i needed |
| 10:16.08 | stoned | there you go |
| 10:16.11 | stoned | keyword==need |
| 10:16.20 | psycodad | never tried flux, but it seems to be based on bb |
| 10:16.52 | psycodad | openbox seems to be another bb derivative |
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| 10:17.00 | stoned | all box wm's are |
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| 10:25.43 | olleolleolle | Hi, now I need an md5 library, like /usr/lib/libmd5.so or the like; what is that called?I aptitude searched for "md5", but came up only with wrappers. |
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| 10:26.58 | cast | dare i ask what you plan to use md5 for? |
| 10:27.23 | olleolleolle | cast: Just installing nginx, a webserver. |
| 10:27.28 | PepperBob | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=libmd5.so&searchmode=searchfilesanddirs&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 10:27.38 | PepperBob | olleolleolle: check that link |
| 10:27.51 | olleolleolle | PepperBob: Thanks a ton. Checking it out now. |
| 10:28.21 | olleolleolle | Well, PepperBob, that was highly informative, now I have a way of finding out -- thanks. |
| 10:28.37 | PepperBob | np. |
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| 10:29.58 | Ward | Anyone knows where I can find information about the 'new' module in linux 2.6 xt_limit ? this was afaik ip_connlimit, but it seems my iptables rules doesnt work the same |
| 10:30.06 | dutchfish | where can i find details how lo technically works regarding to /etc/networks/interfaces? |
| 10:30.55 | PepperBob | dutchfish: how what works? |
| 10:31.05 | dutchfish | PepperBob, lo |
| 10:31.17 | wols | "technically"? it's a kernel interface |
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| 10:31.27 | wols | you need to be more specific what you want |
| 10:31.46 | wols | and there is always man interfaces of course |
| 10:31.48 | dutchfish | wols, i need to recreate it, because udev messed it up |
| 10:32.20 | dutchfish | wols, i have no lo anymore |
| 10:32.31 | wols | auto lo |
| 10:32.31 | wols | iface lo inet loopback |
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| 10:32.42 | stoned | lol |
| 10:32.50 | wols | but I fail to understand how udev could mangle it. |
| 10:32.55 | dutchfish | wols, of coarse i have that, but ifup lo gives errors |
| 10:33.15 | wols | dutchfish: does your KERNEL have loopback support? |
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| 10:33.27 | wols | dutchfish: are you using a debian kernel? |
| 10:33.44 | dutchfish | wols, 2.6.17-smp-i386 (etch), i think so |
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| 10:34.07 | dutchfish | wols, yes standaard deb kernel package |
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| 10:35.04 | wols | will lo show with ifconfig -a |
| 10:35.09 | olleolleolle | Do sha1 stuff live in "gnulib"? |
| 10:35.19 | dutchfish | wols, if i install stable 2.6 kernel everything is fine, i found out that udev or hotplug makes the mess |
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| 10:38.27 | dutchfish | wols, it has _?_lo_temp in it |
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| 10:39.11 | dutchfish | wols, and no i cant rename it because it complaines about missing /dev/lo |
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| 10:42.38 | wols_ | hmm... i there any device which could be loopback when you run ifconfig -a? |
| 10:42.43 | wols_ | seems sometimes udev likes to rename stuff for no reason |
| 10:43.13 | gpfeif | Hi. I have installed debian etch and can't get XOrg to work correctly. The box has a MSI board with an onboard ProSavage8 video card. My monitor is a Hyundai IQ LCD 19". The result are it boots into X, but the display is completely hosed (I can't even describe it). I was able to boot into single user mode, and removed my config, and used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. I chose the Savage... |
| 10:43.14 | gpfeif | ...driver, and and I still got the same results. Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 10:44.11 | osofaux | cron can't lock /var/run/crond.pid |
| 10:44.12 | wols_ | Tried VESA? |
| 10:44.16 | osofaux | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 10:44.28 | wols_ | Savage is a really really icky chip for X imho (have a savage4 here on a comp) |
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| 10:44.39 | osofaux | "cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 13064: Resource temporarily unavailable" even |
| 10:44.39 | user42 | perhaps your resolution is too high... boot into X... and hit "alt+ctwl+minus" |
| 10:44.43 | user42 | ctrl |
| 10:44.43 | gpfeif | No I didn't. I thought VESA only gave you 800x600 resolution. Is that not true? |
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| 10:45.42 | gpfeif | ok, I will try "alt+ctrl+mius", and if that doesn't work I will try VESA |
| 10:45.52 | wols_ | VESA usually gives up to 1024x768 |
| 10:45.59 | wols_ | but it depedns on the video bios |
| 10:46.35 | gpfeif | Is the video bios different than the mobo bios? |
| 10:46.43 | Guerin | gpfeif: yes. |
| 10:46.45 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:46.46 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 10:47.23 | Guerin | gpfeif: when you boot, you often see a thing with your vid card vendor's name on it - that's the video bios, which initialises the display so you can see other low-level stuff |
| 10:47.46 | Guerin | try swapping vid cards and looking at the different initial scren when you boot |
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| 10:49.01 | gpfeif | I am using an onboard card, so I just assumed that video bios would be tightly related to the mobo bios |
| 10:50.08 | gpfeif | Any other suggestions before I switch over and try out the first two suggestions? |
| 10:50.55 | dutchfish | wols_, thats why i would like to know more about the innners of lo and udev, where i could find that? |
| 10:50.56 | wols_ | gpfeif: video bios is distinctly different even on integrated cards |
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| 10:51.04 | wols_ | it resides at a different memory location for example |
| 10:51.31 | wols_ | dutchfish: there is afaik no real documentation about udev |
| 10:51.37 | JloR | Hey folks.. i'm a gentoo person at the moment, seriously considering changing distro to debian. what is the main difference between "stable" and "testing" here at your place ? :) |
| 10:52.07 | dutchfish | wols_, thx anyway for your answers :) |
| 10:52.08 | gpfeif | wols_: I see. I guess this is what I get for sticking with windows for so long - a lack of knowledge. :-) |
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| 10:52.17 | azeem | JloR: the name says it all |
| 10:52.31 | JloR | azeem: it says that "stable" works. But how unstable is "testing" ? |
| 10:52.47 | wols_ | dutchfish: is there a interface in ifconfig -a which could be loopbacl? |
| 10:52.50 | JloR | does it mean that the newest versions of the software I want wont be in "stable" ? |
| 10:52.56 | dutchfish | wols_, coudl it be related to netloop? |
| 10:53.10 | azeem | JloR: yes |
| 10:53.13 | wols_ | dutchfish: what interfaces do you have in ifconfig -a? |
| 10:53.23 | azeem | JloR: stable does not get newer software since 1,5 years or so |
| 10:53.47 | JloR | Okay, and "testing" is runable? Or can I expect to suddenly have a system where everything broke because the debian staff decided to test something in the tree? |
| 10:53.59 | dutchfish | wols_, i have eth0 properly working, _?_eth1_temp, _?_lo_temp, ?_sit0_temp |
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| 10:54.06 | claudio` | hi |
| 10:54.13 | wols_ | dutchfish: it's the lo_temp thing |
| 10:54.16 | azeem | JloR: it is theoretically runnable, but some packages might be temporarily removed due to transitions of other packages or breakage |
| 10:54.23 | azeem | JloR: I suggest you try testing |
| 10:54.25 | dutchfish | wols_, yes i gues so |
| 10:54.29 | JloR | yea, I was thinking that. |
| 10:54.34 | claudio` | In which lib is declared the EXECCMD costant? |
| 10:54.41 | JloR | I need the newer software because of some of my hardware. xorg 7.0 for instance. |
| 10:54.53 | gpfeif | JloR: I think the rule of thumb is to use stable for servers, and testing for desktops, and SID for Debian developers (and desktops if you are adventerous) |
| 10:54.58 | wols_ | dutchfish: http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/2006/05/msg00000.html start here |
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| 10:55.01 | azeem | there are semi-official backports for stable available, which include Xorg-7.0 |
| 10:55.03 | JloR | Running on a laptop, and it's my main machine.. So I'm relying on it to work. |
| 10:55.20 | rvalles_ | Get:10 2006-09-13-1323.34.pdiff [37.4kB] |
| 10:55.21 | rvalles_ | etc |
| 10:55.22 | JloR | gpfeif: thanks. You too azeem. I'll download testing and give it a whirl. |
| 10:55.25 | azeem | well, if you really rely on it to work, maybe you should try to install stable on it first |
| 10:55.31 | azeem | if that doesn't work, you can still try testing |
| 10:55.33 | rvalles_ | any way to disable the diff-based "aptitude upgrade" feature? |
| 10:55.39 | azeem | !pdiff |
| 10:55.39 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 10:55.44 | rvalles_ | this machine is very slow and tages ages... |
| 10:55.48 | rvalles_ | thank you! :) |
| 10:56.07 | JloR | not really work work.. study really :) But as long as it wont go haywire and I will have to reinstall, everything is good. |
| 10:56.10 | dutchfish | wols_, reading it |
| 10:56.53 | azeem | JloR: it might get partially unusable temporarily |
| 10:57.04 | JloR | I can live with that - I'm running gentoo atm :p |
| 10:57.15 | azeem | JloR: you should never have to reinstall Debian, except in cases of serious admin failure |
| 10:57.21 | JloR | great great. |
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| 10:57.53 | JloR | then I suppose I just have to get used to that package thingy.. Tried Ubuntu a few times. Ran Knoppix once too.. Never really got the grasp of the various lists. |
| 10:57.59 | dutchfish | wols_, i dont know why but rebooting with parameter init=/bin/bash solved the problem....hum |
| 10:58.10 | azeem | JloR: which lists? |
| 10:58.14 | JloR | sources.list |
| 10:58.18 | azeem | oh |
| 10:58.27 | JloR | various types of categories. |
| 10:58.32 | azeem | the package system itself is identical as to Ubuntu and Knoppix |
| 10:58.39 | JloR | yea, exactly.. never understood it :) |
| 10:58.48 | azeem | JloR: just stick to what the installer sets up for you |
| 10:58.56 | JloR | Always found myself missing packages on ubuntu, and messing things up in knoppix :P |
| 10:59.23 | azeem | maybe you need debian-multimedia for the patent-encumbered codecs/programs |
| 10:59.35 | JloR | yea, looks like debian trust the user more than ubuntu does - but have a bit more control over the user than knoppix does. |
| 10:59.40 | wols_ | dutchfish: it doesn't solve the problem. it's a troubleshooting tool to see what did cause the problem. the problem are his init scripts that load udev apparent.y it also says which udev file(s) cause the problem for him. |
| 11:00.30 | JloR | christ.. 3 DVD iso's .. |
| 11:00.40 | dutchfish | wols_, rebooting with this kernel parameter gave me a working lo however, ami i missing a point here? |
| 11:00.51 | wols_ | you only need one CD. 100MB ISO if you do a complete netinstall |
| 11:01.02 | JloR | oh, right.. hehe |
| 11:01.03 | azeem | if you have working internet |
| 11:01.09 | wols_ | dutchfish: yes you do. you really want to run your init scripts |
| 11:01.12 | JloR | yup, it works :) |
| 11:01.53 | dutchfish | wols_, so its the init scripts from udev that need to be tweaked, to solve this rare behaviour? |
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| 11:02.53 | wols_ | dutchfish: read that link I gave you. it explains things. |
| 11:03.55 | JloR | thanks for your help :) |
| 11:03.58 | JloR | I'll download in a bit |
| 11:04.04 | azeem | cheers |
| 11:04.33 | dutchfish | wols_, i understand it now, udev regenerates a scripts (after i delete it) to find out wich one i need to give the kernel parameters and reboot to find out wich ones? |
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| 11:05.18 | dutchfish | wols_, ill try that |
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| 11:05.36 | tetra | is etch 4.0? |
| 11:05.44 | azeem | tetra: yes |
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| 11:06.15 | dutchfish | wols_, yes the script was regenerated by udev after reboot but i have still the same problem....sigh |
| 11:06.16 | tetra | i'm seeding 3.1r3 dvds |
| 11:06.40 | azeem | tetra: it is not released yet |
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| 11:07.12 | tetra | azeem: i don't have etch |
| 11:07.26 | azeem | tetra: so what is your problem? |
| 11:07.39 | tetra | azeem: no problem, just asking about etch |
| 11:07.49 | azeem | fine |
| 11:08.54 | tetra | any comment? |
| 11:08.57 | Guerin | not how much pseudolanguage there is in there4n |
| 11:09.04 | Guerin | bah |
| 11:09.07 | Guerin | stupid lag |
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| 11:10.26 | dutchfish | wols_, is it possible to instruct te kernel in a booted system to create lo in /dev manually? |
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| 11:10.52 | jiggsfoo | why would my box be answering to ping requests but not http or ssh (or any other protocol)? I have 2 network cards on different subnets |
| 11:10.56 | wols_ | ther eis no lo in /dev |
| 11:11.03 | jiggsfoo | I thought sshd or httpd will listen to all interfaces by default? |
| 11:11.09 | blondie | jiggsfoo: maybe those other protocols aren't running |
| 11:11.14 | blondie | or they're firewalled |
| 11:11.51 | jiggsfoo | i tries iptables -L but i don't have any rules enabled |
| 11:11.54 | jiggsfoo | so no firewall |
| 11:12.14 | jiggsfoo | i'm sure httpd and sshd are running because they can be accessed on the other interface |
| 11:12.16 | wols_ | have you checked if somthing is listening on port80/22 ? |
| 11:12.44 | Guerin | jiggsfoo: both have a Listen directive, so check those. |
| 11:12.48 | tetra | jiggsfoo: do you have false duplicate default gateways? try "route -n" |
| 11:12.56 | blondie | jiggsfoo: what exactly happens when you try to access them? |
| 11:12.56 | Guerin | jiggsfoo: don't guess or presume when you can just check the damn config |
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| 11:13.59 | rhcp_ | anyone have knowlge with procmail and qmail? |
| 11:14.12 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 11:14.12 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:14.19 | Guerin | rhcp_: never use qmail. |
| 11:14.25 | wols_ | that too |
| 11:14.29 | jiggsfoo | geurin: there is no listten directive so that means it defaults to all interfaces |
| 11:14.34 | rhcp_ | kind of hard :) |
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| 11:14.38 | rhcp_ | company uses it already |
| 11:14.42 | rhcp_ | so im forced |
| 11:14.43 | wols_ | jiggsfoo: have you CHECKED? |
| 11:14.50 | tetra | never use sendmail :) |
| 11:14.56 | jiggsfoo | wois... yes |
| 11:14.57 | Guerin | jiggsfoo: the default configs for both apache and sshd contain a listen directive. I know this to be true. |
| 11:14.59 | nvz | rhcp_: so if you are the one managing it then you could switch |
| 11:15.04 | dutchfish | wols_, solved!: just had to add pre-up ip link set dev ?_ name lo to the interfaces file. :) |
| 11:15.08 | Guerin | rhcp_: you poor bastard. |
| 11:15.13 | Ronin | and theres nothing wrong with qmail but thats for another day |
| 11:15.13 | rhcp_ | yes. |
| 11:15.20 | jiggsfoo | guerin: they are commented out |
| 11:15.29 | Guerin | rhcp_: i believe we've had this argument before. |
| 11:15.30 | wols_ | dutchfish: how often do I have to tell you, THERE IS NO INTERFACE FILE |
| 11:15.35 | Guerin | jiggsfoo: then you're not running debian. |
| 11:15.56 | wols_ | jiggsfoo: and is it listening only on one interface? |
| 11:16.05 | dutchfish | wols_, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:16.06 | jiggsfoo | ok..let me check again, guys |
| 11:16.08 | Guerin | Ronin: yeah/ |
| 11:16.28 | nvz | do you just love arguing a moot point |
| 11:16.40 | dutchfish | wols_, sorry if i missed something |
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| 11:16.57 | nvz | Guerin: I mean its obviously brain damage ;) |
| 11:17.29 | Guerin | nvz: Brain death, cool damage, Straight As! |
| 11:17.30 | wols_ | dutchfish: I assumed your "to the interfaces file" instead of "in the interfaces file" meant something like /dev/lo |
| 11:17.34 | blondie | Guerin: the listen lines that refer to interfaces ARE commented out in the default ssh and apache config files (on debian) |
| 11:17.41 | dutchfish | wols_, no no |
| 11:17.44 | Guerin | blondie: since when? |
| 11:18.10 | blondie | since at least sarge |
| 11:18.13 | blondie | and in etch |
| 11:18.15 | jiggsfoo | guerin, yeah I just checked again... |
| 11:18.17 | Guerin | huh. |
| 11:18.23 | dutchfish | wols_, or do you want to tell me that /etc/network/interfaces is recreated by udev on every boot? |
| 11:18.26 | blondie | sshd: #ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 |
| 11:18.34 | blondie | apache: #Listen 12.34.56.78:80 |
| 11:18.34 | tetra | is brain damage standard these days? :) |
| 11:18.40 | wols_ | dutchfish: no it's not (afaik. don't use udev myself: not worth the hassle) |
| 11:18.43 | blondie | that's the defaults. |
| 11:19.06 | wols_ | blondie: I also have a ssh/sshd_config:#ListenAddress :: |
| 11:19.08 | dutchfish | wols_, i have no choice, i need udev because of the xen-hypervisor |
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| 11:19.19 | blondie | wols_: yes |
| 11:20.15 | jiggsfoo | ok, I just uncommented "Listen 80" to make it listen to all interfaces |
| 11:20.18 | dutchfish | wols_, to be more procize i have xen 3.0 running on etch now but without a working bridge because of the problems with lo i decribed before |
| 11:20.20 | jiggsfoo | but still no dice |
| 11:20.27 | blondie | jiggsfoo: no |
| 11:20.32 | blondie | jiggsfoo: that's the port number, not the interface |
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| 11:20.42 | blondie | jiggsfoo: look for the one with an ip address in. |
| 11:21.01 | Dewi | Guerin: are we still getting etch in december? |
| 11:21.04 | dutchfish | wols_, that why i wanted to now the inners of udev and lo so i could fix this myself |
| 11:21.17 | jiggsfoo | ok.. i will try a more explicit set of directives |
| 11:21.40 | dutchfish | wols_, i rather would stick to hotplug if i had the coice |
| 11:22.22 | jiggsfoo | ok, tried Listen 192.168.20.2:80 |
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| 11:22.28 | jiggsfoo | still nothing |
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| 11:22.47 | E-bola | hello |
| 11:22.48 | tetra | jiggsfoo: netstat -a will tell you what's listening |
| 11:23.15 | kristalino | if i install php4 and php5 on debian, how to select php5 by default ? |
| 11:23.17 | dutchfish | tetra, netstat -nlp |
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| 11:23.27 | tetra | dutchfish: something like that |
| 11:23.31 | blondie | jiggsfoo: "telnet 192.168.20.2 80" from another machine -- what happens? |
| 11:24.01 | jiggsfoo | blondie: it just hangs |
| 11:24.04 | jiggsfoo | no response |
| 11:24.20 | blondie | firewall |
| 11:24.26 | jiggsfoo | netstat -a shows that it's listening |
| 11:24.27 | blondie | or other issue |
| 11:24.42 | blondie | if it wasn't listening, it would say connection refused |
| 11:25.11 | blondie | so, there's something blocking the connection |
| 11:25.13 | jiggsfoo | but my iptables -L doesn't display any rules |
| 11:25.24 | jiggsfoo | could it be that I have 2 network interfaces? |
| 11:25.31 | tetra | jiggsfoo: yes |
| 11:25.37 | blondie | what about on the other machine? |
| 11:25.45 | blondie | does *that* have a firewall? |
| 11:25.48 | jiggsfoo | from 192.168.10.2 it works |
| 11:25.52 | tetra | jiggsfoo: the default route could be on your OTHER interface |
| 11:26.04 | jiggsfoo | oh, no firewall on the other machine either |
| 11:26.18 | tetra | jiggsfoo: do you understand? |
| 11:26.20 | blondie | tetra: not sure that default routes have much to do with anything |
| 11:26.39 | blondie | I think |
| 11:26.41 | blondie | :) |
| 11:26.43 | tarzeau | can i have nfs4 with debian? |
| 11:26.47 | tarzeau | (er linux)? |
| 11:26.51 | jiggsfoo | tetra, yes the default route is on the other IF |
| 11:26.56 | tetra | blondie: i've had much digression lately with faulty init scripts setting multiple default routes |
| 11:26.57 | wols_ | blondie: at least not inside the LAN :) |
| 11:27.09 | tetra | blondie: see |
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| 11:27.24 | jiggsfoo | but I added a new route table on rt_tables |
| 11:27.33 | wols_ | tetra: I have 3 subnets (misusing my debian router as a switch). Never had any problems |
| 11:28.00 | wols_ | jiggsfoo: what did you do to your routing table |
| 11:28.04 | xaque | I want to install kde. is apt-get install kde the best way to do that? |
| 11:28.11 | jiggsfoo | ip route add default via 192.168.20.1 dev eth1 table uplink2 |
| 11:28.17 | jiggsfoo | ip rule add from 192.168.20.2 lookup uplink2 prio 1000 |
| 11:28.26 | tetra | wols_: mine has two lans and to wlans, a PITA unless you understand it all |
| 11:28.32 | jiggsfoo | that's what I added |
| 11:28.50 | dutchfish | tarzeau, yes: http://helix360.de/tutorials/nfsv4/9/ |
| 11:28.51 | yang | which are linux supported GPRS pcmcia cards? |
| 11:29.01 | yang | or channel dedicated to their development |
| 11:29.21 | tarzeau | !nfs4 |
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| 11:29.32 | tarzeau | dpkg nfs4 is http://helix360.de/tutorials/nfsv4/9/ |
| 11:29.32 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 11:29.35 | jiggsfoo | it's weird that ping works... but anything else doesn't |
| 11:29.44 | tetra | xaque: that's the easiest way but there are always nine ways to do something in linux |
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| 11:30.30 | xaque | tetra: yeah, I am just new to debian. Is there a good place for documentation or something about apt or just debian in general? |
| 11:30.37 | wols_ | jiggsfoo: why did you add those routes manually? /etc/network/interfaces is enough |
| 11:30.47 | tarzeau | xaque: www.debian.org/doc |
| 11:31.03 | tetra | xaque: debian.org? heh, you asked for the BEST way, since you had to ask that question the BEST way is probably the EASIEST way |
| 11:31.24 | wols_ | tetra: if ping works, the routes are fine. firewall. possibly /etc/hosts.deny |
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| 11:31.44 | xaque | fair enough, I just don't know if I want all thoes extra packages taking up nearly a gig |
| 11:31.54 | tetra | wols_: OK, I don't want to mislead anyone |
| 11:32.00 | jiggsfoo | wois, that what I had before I got into advanced routing... with that setup even ping doesn't work |
| 11:32.29 | tetra | jiggsfoo: that's "wols" not "wois" |
| 11:32.39 | jiggsfoo | oops |
| 11:32.43 | jiggsfoo | sorry about that |
| 11:32.43 | wols_ | jiggsfoo: are you using static IPs? |
| 11:32.45 | xaque | if I remove a package like kde later, will it remember the deps that were installed because of it? |
| 11:33.03 | wols_ | xaque: no. but there are programs like deboprhan |
| 11:33.08 | wols_ | *deborphan |
| 11:33.10 | jiggsfoo | wols_: yup static IPs... 192.168.10.2 and 192.168.20.2 |
| 11:33.19 | petemc | xaque: if you installed it with aptitude it would |
| 11:33.26 | wols_ | jiggsfoo: paste your /etc/network/interfaces somewhere |
| 11:33.38 | jiggsfoo | ok.. wait a sec |
| 11:33.39 | xaque | wols_: do I need to install that at the beginning of a debian installation, or can that come later and scan for unneede deps |
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| 11:34.08 | wols_ | xaque: it can come later |
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| 11:34.31 | xaque | wols_: thanks |
| 11:34.35 | xaque | petemc: thanks |
| 11:34.42 | tetra | in debian, is "kde" considered a metapackage? |
| 11:34.53 | wols_ | iirc yes |
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| 11:35.23 | hoyas | jiggsfoo> with this IPs you need a special netmask for ping works else its not the same network |
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| 11:35.59 | jiggsfoo | my /etc/networking/interfaces: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3759 |
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| 11:36.25 | jiggsfoo | hoyas, i'm sorry but I dont think I get you |
| 11:36.36 | jiggsfoo | hoyas, how do I do that? |
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| 11:36.58 | hoyas | jiggsfoo> a ip wiht 10.2 and other with 20.2 cant ping togetehr with netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 11:37.04 | abrotman | cydork: jeez .. don't you ever sleep ? |
| 11:37.10 | wols_ | jiggsfoo: add a "network" directive for each, eth and eth1. remove those silly eth1 scripts |
| 11:37.34 | jiggsfoo | network 192.168.20.0? |
| 11:37.38 | hoyas | jiggsfoo> change your netmask and put: 255.255.0.0 |
| 11:37.54 | wols_ | jiggsfoo: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3760 |
| 11:38.02 | wols_ | hoyas: no |
| 11:38.03 | jiggsfoo | hoyas, I don't think it's an issue, because I am accessing from the same subnet |
| 11:38.40 | wols_ | but I think it's a firewall kind of issue |
| 11:38.43 | hoyas | you dont know wich use have the netmask then |
| 11:38.46 | tetra | jiggsfoo: is that because you 'bridged' the networks into the same subnet? |
| 11:38.54 | th0ger | My 'man gcc' is not working. '/usr/share/man/man1/gcc.1.gz is a dangling symlink' gcc works fine. Help! |
| 11:39.19 | abrotman | !find gcc.1.gz |
| 11:39.30 | tetra | th0ger: my guess, apt-get install gcc (just a guess) |
| 11:39.33 | abrotman | grr .. bot broken |
| 11:40.31 | xaque | does debian use xfree86 by default |
| 11:40.32 | xaque | ? |
| 11:40.33 | th0ger | tetra: it is |
| 11:40.41 | abrotman | xaque: on sarge it does |
| 11:40.41 | tetra | probably a bad guess now that i think of it |
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| 11:40.51 | wols_ | xaque: for stable yes. from etch onwards: xorg |
| 11:40.54 | jiggsfoo | tetra...no bridging |
| 11:41.03 | hoyas | jiggsfoo> in a network, IPs with bad netmask cant ping together, 192.168.20.2 and 10.2 arent on the same network cuz your netmask is bad, so you cant ping this interface btw them |
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| 11:41.32 | th0ger | abrotman: symlink to gcc-4.1.1.gz which does not exist |
| 11:41.32 | wols_ | tetra: no. good guess |
| 11:41.32 | xaque | sarge is just the stable release, right? |
| 11:41.33 | abrotman | th0ger: which version of debian ? |
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| 11:41.33 | th0ger | abrotman: testing |
| 11:41.54 | tetra | wols_: well, on some /other/ distro it'd be a major pain to reinstall gcc just for the man pages :) |
| 11:42.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: package this: http://www.realtech-vr.com/nogravity/linux.html |
| 11:42.13 | abrotman | i'm not a dd |
| 11:42.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: neither am i. anyone can package software |
| 11:42.27 | wols_ | abrotman: it's time you become one |
| 11:42.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you do i'll make sure the package is perfect and a dd to sponsor you? |
| 11:42.44 | tetra | dd? |
| 11:42.46 | tarzeau | !dd |
| 11:42.47 | dpkg | somebody said dd was a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 11:42.57 | hoyas | jiggsfoo> 255.255.255.0 is for 192.168.20.XXX(so 10.2 and 20.2 cant comunicate), and 255.255.0.0 for 192.168.xxx.xxx (so 10.2 and 20.2 can communicate) |
| 11:43.05 | abrotman | wols_: why? |
| 11:43.05 | tetra | lol? :) |
| 11:43.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm sure i could find a sponsor :) |
| 11:43.30 | wols_ | hoyas: if you set routes correctly, they can communicate just fine |
| 11:43.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: then you can organize the next debconf around the corner of your house? |
| 11:43.44 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 11:43.53 | hoyas | yes but i think what he dunno how do |
| 11:43.56 | jiggsfoo | hoyas, I don't need to make them talk... i just want the box to be availble on both networks |
| 11:44.10 | th0ger | I actually removed gcc, and then reinstalled it. man gcc still not working :( |
| 11:44.14 | wols_ | hoyas: and with 255.255.0.0 they can NOT communicate since then the routes are wrong. they way he set it up, his interfaces are in different subnets, which is why he needs a correct netmask |
| 11:44.38 | wols_ | 255.255.0.0 assumes they'd be in the same subnet, which they aren't |
| 11:44.51 | abrotman | th0ger: stranger yet .. i hvae gcc installed .. i don't even have the symlink :) |
| 11:45.19 | th0ger | is your gcc.1.gz an ordinary file? |
| 11:45.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: does it even compile? |
| 11:45.36 | th0ger | abrotman: sure |
| 11:45.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: i didn't test. if i were under windows i'd take the binary :) |
| 11:45.56 | abrotman | th0ger: my gcc.1.gz .. just isn't there |
| 11:45.56 | wols_ | tetra: symlink to gcc-4.1.1.gz here |
| 11:46.05 | hoyas | ok i see the scheme now |
| 11:46.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's sdl. i suppose it does |
| 11:46.17 | tetra | wols_: looks like the current version? |
| 11:46.19 | hoyas | so box works like router |
| 11:46.26 | tetra | wols_: not sure why you told me that |
| 11:46.33 | abrotman | it's only a router .. if it routes package |
| 11:46.35 | abrotman | packets |
| 11:46.36 | wols_ | cause your nick starts with a t |
| 11:47.21 | hoyas | check your routes lol |
| 11:47.26 | tetra | wols_: well try typing more than ONE character of a nick before hitting TAB :) |
| 11:47.28 | jelly | Is there a tool that could simplify reverse engineering of a network protocol? Eg. like a gui with a toolkit from which I could describe the raw packets like - this is a tcp protocol. first two payload bytes in a stream are always littleendian int16, next is a single byte with message type, next byte is length of the following variable-sized byte array message, and then comes the message itself. repeat from message type byte ad nauseam... |
| 11:47.33 | wols_ | tetra: me too. and since ping works: it's not the routing. tho his interfaces is a bit too complicated. ifup is not needed |
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| 11:47.46 | abrotman | jelly: vi! |
| 11:48.01 | abrotman | got to |
| 11:48.14 | tetra | wols_: i doubt it's more complicated than one of mine, having two lans (eth0, eth1) and two wlans (ath0, ath1) |
| 11:48.15 | jelly | abrotman: I have vi, also have hexedit, tcpdump and ethereal. ;-) er, wireshark. |
| 11:48.40 | abrotman | jelly: when/if synfin shows up .. i can ask him |
| 11:48.41 | wols_ | start with a wireshark plugin imho |
| 11:49.17 | tetra | wols_: i don't have bridging set up and don't want to. I'd rather do routing !IF! i want to allow interconnection... |
| 11:49.18 | wols_ | tetra: the point is he doens't need to have it so complicated. complexity breeds strange errors |
| 11:49.23 | jelly | wols_: yeah, the final result would be a wireshark plugin. |
| 11:49.41 | tetra | wols_: i'm wondering about a 192.168.!20!.* address |
| 11:50.13 | jelly | actually, the result would be my custom client for a stupid backup application. |
| 11:50.14 | tetra | wols_: security through obscurity is my only guess on a .20.* address |
| 11:50.23 | wols_ | just a number like any other.. some use 192.168.1.0/24, some suse 20.0/24. no biggie |
| 11:50.51 | tetra | wols_: did you really mean to type " suse "? |
| 11:51.03 | jelly | 192.168.168.0 ftw! |
| 11:51.11 | wols_ | no :P |
| 11:51.35 | abrotman | 10.x.x.x ? |
| 11:51.48 | jelly | abrotman: 10/8 is for pussies! |
| 11:51.49 | wols_ | abrotman: pretentious |
| 11:52.16 | tetra | referring strictly to rfc1918 addresses, 192.168.c.x where c should be 0 or 1... |
| 11:52.31 | abrotman | hehe |
| 11:52.34 | abrotman | th0ger: find it ? |
| 11:53.03 | jelly | tetra: er, no? 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 (192.168/16 prefix) |
| 11:53.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: hehe looks like fun? http://dark-oberon.sourceforge.net/?page=screenshots |
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| 11:53.46 | tetra | jelly: more like 172.16/16 |
| 11:53.49 | jelly | tetra: pasted strait from the rfc! |
| 11:54.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: so package it |
| 11:54.18 | th0ger | abrotman: no i cant find it |
| 11:54.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm downloading/testing it first |
| 11:54.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: also testing bloboats |
| 11:54.50 | th0ger | abrotman: in which package is gcc-4.1.1.gz ? |
| 11:54.58 | abrotman | th0ger: do you have apt-file isntalled? |
| 11:55.05 | kristalino | if i install php4 and php5 on debian, how to select php5 by default ? |
| 11:55.07 | th0ger | abrotman: yes |
| 11:55.16 | kristalino | how to choose between php5 and php4 |
| 11:55.21 | tetra | jelly: it's not worth an extra comment :) |
| 11:55.22 | abrotman | th0ger: apt-file update && apt-file search gcc-4.1 |
| 11:55.27 | abrotman | or something like that |
| 11:55.43 | abrotman | however .. i don't see it |
| 11:55.43 | tetra | apt-get? |
| 11:56.32 | kristalino | !tell me about php5 |
| 11:57.08 | jelly | !tell kristalino about msg |
| 11:57.10 | jelly | ;-) |
| 11:57.11 | kristalino | dpkg is no help here |
| 11:57.46 | wols_ | kristalino: why do you need both? |
| 11:57.56 | th0ger | abrotman: i dont see it either. doing an apt-file update now, but it takes a while |
| 11:57.57 | tetra | jelly: i seemed to remember reading that it wasn't meant to be used that way as a /16, and that's what 172.16 is for |
| 11:58.12 | kristalino | wols_, i need php5, but i remarked that php4 is needed for another package |
| 11:58.16 | abrotman | th0ger: even though apt-file says gcc has gcc.1.gz .. i don't have it |
| 11:58.32 | kristalino | wols_, so i don't need both but i need both installed. And i'd like to use only php5 |
| 11:58.37 | kristalino | wols_, is it possible ? how ? |
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| 11:58.46 | wols_ | kristalino: only load php5 in your apache config then |
| 11:59.15 | abrotman | why is cvs still one package ... |
| 11:59.23 | tetra | kristalino: php4 has security flaws?? |
| 11:59.40 | jelly | tetra: it's not a /16, it's 256 networks of /24 (C classes). Likewise, 172.16/12 is 16 B classes. This was pre-classless subnetting, I think. |
| 11:59.54 | th0ger | abrotman: 'apt-get install/remove gcc' will install/remove the gcc.1.gz symlink on my system. but not the gcc-4.1.1.gz pointed to |
| 11:59.54 | kristalino | tetra, how that ? |
| 12:00.03 | kristalino | wols_, ok, thanks. |
| 12:00.27 | tetra | kristalino: because php is a buggy pos |
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| 12:00.57 | tetra | kristalino: i really love php otherwise, really |
| 12:01.02 | abrotman | th0ger: wait .. it leaves the symlink in /usr/share/man/man1/ ? |
| 12:01.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: hahaha bloboats is SO THE KILLER |
| 12:01.16 | jelly | abrotman: so you want cvs + non-free cvs-doc? ;-) |
| 12:01.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: man another guy itp'd it and is having license issues |
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| 12:01.26 | abrotman | jelly: no .. i want cvs-client and cvs-server |
| 12:01.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: FANTASTIC gameplay, compiles out of the box |
| 12:01.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: SF sucks |
| 12:02.17 | th0ger | abrotman: no, it removes it with apt-get remove |
| 12:02.53 | abrotman | th0ger: but when you reinstall gcc .. it recreates the symlink ? |
| 12:03.22 | jelly | Are there any free Micromachines(tm) clones? |
| 12:03.26 | th0ger | abrotman: yes |
| 12:03.33 | abrotman | jelly: the toys? |
| 12:03.36 | tetra | abrotman: doesn't debian keep a separate package for man pages? |
| 12:03.51 | abrotman | tetra: for some packages .. but not usually |
| 12:04.09 | jelly | abrotman: the game, drive the little cars over the sink, the kitchen table, etc. |
| 12:04.15 | abrotman | hehe .. my box doesnt' even have a gcc.1.gz |
| 12:04.25 | tetra | hrmf... |
| 12:04.25 | abrotman | jelly: that's based on the toys |
| 12:04.42 | jelly | abrotman: it is. Was very playable though. |
| 12:04.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: hahahha bloboats KICKS SOOOOOO ASS |
| 12:04.57 | abrotman | jelly: there are racing games .. but nothing i've seen like that .. maybe tarzeau has |
| 12:04.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: try it now! the sound is great! the game play rocks |
| 12:05.10 | tarzeau | jelly: formula1 remake is nice |
| 12:05.11 | abrotman | i'm yelling at sf's cvs server |
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| 12:05.25 | tetra | svn > cvs |
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| 12:05.44 | jelly | well, tarzeau's excitement is what reminded me of micromachines. I think there waas a sequel with boats, little helis and stuff. |
| 12:05.56 | tarzeau | jelly: yeah but certainly it's not free |
| 12:06.05 | tarzeau | the free software micromachines and bomberman SUCK |
| 12:06.14 | tarzeau | jelly: some free software games are just utter crap |
| 12:06.14 | abrotman | jelly: there was |
| 12:06.18 | th0ger | abrotman: should some gcc-*-doc be installed or is the manpage contained in the main package? |
| 12:06.22 | abrotman | jelly: the game is "abandonware" now |
| 12:06.25 | jelly | tarzeau: bah, how can they make a bad bomberman? |
| 12:06.27 | tarzeau | jelly: tried mazeofgalious, supertransball2 ? also great games |
| 12:06.30 | tarzeau | jelly: they suck |
| 12:06.35 | wols_ | th0ger: packages.debian.org. it's contained in the main package |
| 12:06.37 | abrotman | th0ger: it might .. jelly says gcc docs are non-free now |
| 12:06.42 | tarzeau | jelly: linux , software writers with bad style, bad graphics, bad sound |
| 12:06.49 | jelly | abrotman: glibc, not gcc. |
| 12:06.50 | tarzeau | jelly: but mr. boom rocks (french bomberman) |
| 12:06.55 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:06.56 | abrotman | nm |
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| 12:07.11 | jelly | abrotman: whatever. who need libc anyway. |
| 12:07.12 | tarzeau | jelly: if something is great in music/graphics/sound it's from demoscene guys |
| 12:07.16 | abrotman | !kill sourceforge |
| 12:07.16 | th0ger | jelly: ok |
| 12:07.22 | tarzeau | example: pathogen (warriors) |
| 12:07.27 | abrotman | ask me for a CVS password .. then tell me there's no route .. bastard |
| 12:07.43 | tarzeau | jelly: btw tried, http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 12:07.47 | abrotman | th0ger: have you checked the bts? |
| 12:07.53 | tetra | armagetron |
| 12:08.01 | th0ger | abrotman: bts? |
| 12:08.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: are you working? |
| 12:08.35 | abrotman | !bts |
| 12:08.35 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 12:08.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: no |
| 12:08.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: bad weather outside? |
| 12:08.55 | abrotman | th0ger: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=384923 |
| 12:09.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's 8AM |
| 12:09.07 | abrotman | but yes .. kind of crappy |
| 12:09.09 | jelly | tarzeau: Heh, BB on C64 is one of the rare games I completed. ;-) |
| 12:09.47 | tetra | radar.weather.gov |
| 12:10.13 | abrotman | th0ger: which says is fixed in the version i have .. but i think they're lying |
| 12:10.32 | jelly | tarzeau: do you have url for eg. pathogen? It's not a googleworthy word. |
| 12:10.32 | tetra | (how's that for crappy, they use JAVA) |
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| 12:10.47 | dutchfish | is there a standard debian kernel that support sshfs-fuse, or need i compile it myself? |
| 12:11.07 | azeem | dutchfish: I thought fuse is in mainline now |
| 12:11.21 | azeem | dutchfish: you might need one from testing/unstable though |
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| 12:11.32 | dutchfish | azeem, i assume etch? |
| 12:11.41 | jelly | dutchfish: kernels from 2.6.15 have fuse by default. |
| 12:11.51 | dutchfish | jelly, tyvm |
| 12:11.52 | tetra | dutchfish: if you're going to be using your kernel for more than a day you should compile it anyway |
| 12:11.57 | tarzeau | jelly: packages.debian.org/pathogen |
| 12:12.02 | tarzeau | jelly: of course it's packaged :) |
| 12:12.09 | azeem | tetra: eh, no |
| 12:12.15 | jelly | tarzeau: ah, never would have guessed it |
| 12:12.22 | azeem | tetra: it is totally fine to use the stock kernels |
| 12:12.26 | uptownben | Hi AAll.. Is this the right place to get help resolving a problem with the NETWORK SERVERS tool that comes with Debian Sarge (GNOME)? |
| 12:12.34 | dutchfish | tetra, why so? |
| 12:12.38 | tetra | azeem: feh, 2.6.8 is over a year old |
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| 12:12.41 | azeem | uptownben: maybe, just ask you question |
| 12:12.43 | azeem | tetra: so? |
| 12:12.44 | th0ger | abrotman: ok, but that is cc, not gcc. |
| 12:12.50 | tetra | azeem: and it's fine if you use a 586 processor |
| 12:12.59 | th0ger | abrotman: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/136138 |
| 12:13.02 | abrotman | th0ger: yeah .. but says it is a dangling link to gcc.1.gz .. which doesn't exist .. and that's my problem |
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| 12:13.44 | th0ger | abrotman: ok. The link above exactly describes my situation |
| 12:13.58 | tetra | azeem: so stock 3.1r2 uses a 2.6.8 kernel compiled for a 586 processor |
| 12:14.03 | azeem | tetra: so? |
| 12:14.04 | abrotman | th0ger: yep .. and it seems nothing has been done about it |
| 12:14.19 | tetra | azeem: so do YOU have a pentium-60MHz? |
| 12:14.19 | abrotman | not really |
| 12:14.25 | azeem | there is a -686 flavour you know |
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| 12:14.36 | abrotman | sarge is still -386 .. |
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| 12:14.43 | jelly | azeem: so, it has no support for recent hardware, no driver fixes, no nifty new features like bootup sequence caching (reduced bootup time), no cfq scheduler. |
| 12:14.45 | tarzeau | hahahaha abrotman |
| 12:14.48 | tetra | azeem: oooh, i686 is almost as bad as 586. |
| 12:14.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: bloboats on ice is sooooo funny |
| 12:14.54 | tetra | abrotman: i doubt it |
| 12:15.01 | jelly | tetra: nah, 686 is a-ok |
| 12:15.12 | abrotman | tetra: if you run the netinst .. it uses -386 .. either 2.4 or 2.6 .. your choice |
| 12:15.13 | tetra | jelly: P4 is about eight steps above it |
| 12:15.17 | azeem | tetra: haha |
| 12:15.27 | jelly | tetra: I didn't notice much difference. |
| 12:15.33 | tetra | er, prescott, not just P4 |
| 12:15.54 | uptownben | OK... I'm on a Debian Sarge workstation and I'm trying to browse Windows/SAMBA shares on my network using the NETWORK SERVERS app, I see the machines but when I click I get an error and it wont show the shares on the machine. I can browse using smbclient and smbtree (both work well) |
| 12:15.57 | abrotman | how many instructions have they added since 586? |
| 12:15.58 | tetra | jelly: you're not very um, what's the word for it, |
| 12:16.06 | jelly | tetra: we are talking about kernel compile options and not cpus themselves, right? |
| 12:16.09 | dutchfish | azeem, tetra, the latest kernels in etch i686-smp rocks in my humble opinion |
| 12:16.11 | azeem | tetra: you are free to recompile your kernel yourself, but please do not recommend it to others without a specific need |
| 12:16.30 | MoRLoCh | hello, when I am in the console, if I press Fn (for example to use home/end keys on my laptop) I see this:Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0x55 on isa0060/serio0), is there a way to disable this behaviour ? |
| 12:16.32 | abrotman | th0ger: so i guess ... you're stuck ? |
| 12:16.42 | tetra | jelly: separate options, just one of them being the "cpu family" can affect almost everything |
| 12:17.15 | azeem | that seems exaggerated |
| 12:17.21 | abrotman | you think? :) |
| 12:17.37 | jelly | tetra: I know, and I still think that there's not much difference between -686 and -k7 or -p4 compiled kernel. |
| 12:17.53 | abrotman | bah .. -386 is fine |
| 12:18.00 | tetra | jelly: it makes more difference with better hardware like core2duo |
| 12:18.10 | azeem | tetra: in which situation? |
| 12:18.17 | abrotman | the SMP code changed? |
| 12:18.17 | jelly | tetra: preempt, yes. 4kstacks, yes if you have lots of threads, ck patchset? definitely, but not cpu. |
| 12:18.23 | tetra | azeem: in the situation you have a core2duo |
| 12:18.23 | azeem | tetra: did you even check which hardware the person has you told to recompile the kernel? |
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| 12:18.29 | tetra | azeem: or athlon64 |
| 12:18.37 | azeem | tetra: ls won't be faster on a coreduo |
| 12:18.47 | azeem | eh, for-coreduo-compiled kernel |
| 12:18.49 | th0ger | abrotman: i guess. how can i check that i actually _have_ the newest package installed, with the described bugfix |
| 12:18.56 | tetra | or anything fairly recent unlike a 10-year-old i686 |
| 12:19.00 | azeem | tetra: did you even check which hardware the person has you told to recompile the kernel? |
| 12:19.00 | abrotman | th0ger: i didn't see a fix |
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| 12:19.09 | abrotman | th0ger: dpkg -l gcc | tail -1 .. which version is it ? |
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| 12:19.12 | abrotman | !Info gcc etch |
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| 12:19.16 | dpkg | gcc: has nothing about Info |
| 12:19.22 | abrotman | !info gcc etch |
| 12:19.23 | jelly | tetra: Don't diss PPro, for you are crunchy and taste good with mayo. |
| 12:19.25 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:4.1.1-7 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
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| 12:19.39 | abrotman | jelly: i've got a dual PPro at the office :) |
| 12:19.43 | tetra | azeem: did you check to see that the fact of the matter applies directly to how new of hardware the person has? |
| 12:19.49 | th0ger | abrotman: 4.1.1-5 |
| 12:19.52 | azeem | tetra: huh? |
| 12:19.58 | dutchfish | azeem, tetra, cor-2duo 8G ram, 3ware raid1 |
| 12:20.00 | abrotman | nonsense battle! |
| 12:20.04 | jelly | abrotman: and what do you run on it? a -686-smp kernel, right! |
| 12:20.11 | tetra | azeem: there's ten years of difference between i686 and today's x86 hardware |
| 12:20.12 | abrotman | th0ger: apt-get update && apt-get install gcc |
| 12:20.31 | abrotman | jelly: yes ... but it is -686-smp :) |
| 12:20.48 | tetra | anyway, you should compile your own kernel, YMMV. |
| 12:20.48 | th0ger | abrotman: oh i did that |
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| 12:20.54 | azeem | tetra: that doesn't mean gcc produces 10x faster code for your new hardware |
| 12:20.55 | abrotman | th0ger: and you still have -5 ? |
| 12:21.05 | abrotman | tetra: no .. you shouldn't |
| 12:21.11 | abrotman | even the kernel developers say that |
| 12:21.14 | tetra | azeem: compared to i586, it might be 50x faster |
| 12:21.21 | tetra | azeem: or 100x faster |
| 12:21.26 | jiggsfoo | hello again... I tried wols_'s interfaces file but now the machine is no longer available on both networks |
| 12:21.26 | abrotman | bullshit! |
| 12:21.36 | blondie | tetra: are you some kind of gentoo-ite? |
| 12:21.38 | abrotman | wols_: wtf did you do? |
| 12:21.40 | azeem | tetra: if you feed it a 10line hand-optimized assembler routine maybe |
| 12:21.43 | azeem | but not in real life |
| 12:21.48 | jelly | tetra: my dad's stronger than yours! |
| 12:21.59 | asg | I'm Brian and so is my wife! |
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| 12:22.03 | benkong2 | Can someone look at this and tell me why I can't get this to automount in Debian? http://pastebin.ca/172948 |
| 12:22.05 | abrotman | th0ger: you should have -7 |
| 12:22.11 | azeem | tetra: anyway, my request stands: Don't tell people to gratuitiously recompile their kernel in here |
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| 12:22.13 | tetra | i586 is missing 3dnow, mmx, sse, mmx2, sse2, sse3, etc... many other functions |
| 12:22.13 | Guerin | tetra: yeah, because putting 160 octane fuel in your car makes it go twice as fast as with 80 octane |
| 12:22.17 | uptownben | ANYBODY: I'm on a Debian Sarge workstation and I'm trying to browse Windows/SAMBA shares on my network using the NETWORK SERVERS app, I see the machines but when I click I get an error and it wont show the shares on the machine. I can browse using smbclient and smbtree (both work well) |
| 12:22.17 | azeem | EOD |
| 12:22.23 | azeem | tetra: there's the -686 flavour |
| 12:22.28 | jiggsfoo | it's this file btw, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3760 |
| 12:22.37 | azeem | 586 has mmx, of course |
| 12:22.44 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 12:22.50 | abrotman | not the first ones |
| 12:22.54 | azeem | maybe not then |
| 12:22.54 | tetra | see |
| 12:22.56 | azeem | *shrug* |
| 12:22.59 | azeem | 14:14 < azeem> tetra: there's the -686 flavour |
| 12:22.59 | Guerin | abrotman: doesn't have omglol though |
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| 12:23.05 | th0ger | abrotman: hmm, i did that ealier i mean... (confused) installing it now gives me -7 |
| 12:23.07 | abrotman | dude .. -mmx doesn't do shit for anything anymore |
| 12:23.07 | jiggsfoo | it seems that if I don't have a gateway set... it won't work |
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| 12:23.13 | abrotman | th0ger: oh ok |
| 12:23.24 | jiggsfoo | adding a gateway to one of the interfaces works.. but not on both |
| 12:23.36 | tetra | abrotman: +mmx however, :) I'll just stfu now anyway |
| 12:23.45 | abrotman | uptownben: you mean using nautilus ? |
| 12:23.48 | jiggsfoo | works on the one with a gateway sety |
| 12:23.50 | jiggsfoo | set |
| 12:24.01 | blondie | jiggsfoo: set a route to the other network |
| 12:24.02 | abrotman | tetra: please back it up with facts .. until then .. you're an idiot :) |
| 12:24.08 | dutchfish | jiggsfoo, is it formatted as fat16 in native dos mode? |
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| 12:24.19 | azeem | abrotman: that was uncalled for |
| 12:24.25 | abrotman | benkong2: uhm .. CD is in a bad format? |
| 12:24.35 | tetra | azeem: it's ok |
| 12:24.39 | ovis | what program asks the first questions on a netinstaller CD, like language, keboard ? |
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| 12:24.43 | benkong2 | abrotman: yea I am confused by that also |
| 12:24.50 | azeem | ovis: the installer |
| 12:24.52 | abrotman | sure .. i say it .. it's bad .. everyone else says it .. it's in the spirit of conversation ;) |
| 12:24.54 | benkong2 | In my ubuntu distro it works fine |
| 12:24.54 | azeem | it's not a package |
| 12:24.58 | jiggsfoo | blondie, how do I do that? I used to have a different route table set earlier...but that did not work either... and wols_ adivsed me to remove it |
| 12:25.06 | abrotman | benkong2: do you know the CD format ? |
| 12:25.16 | azeem | abrotman: I take you to higher moral standards than the rest :) |
| 12:25.24 | abrotman | oh damn it~! |
| 12:25.28 | benkong2 | trying to do a mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/usb0 gives a wrong ds type error |
| 12:25.32 | tetra | abrotman: sorry, freenode is blocking me from sending any privmsg |
| 12:25.37 | Guerin | abrotman: that's generally unwise |
| 12:25.40 | benkong2 | It's a usb stick |
| 12:25.41 | abrotman | tetra: you're not registered |
| 12:25.43 | ovis | azeem, thats not present when i only debootstrap in a certain directory ? |
| 12:25.45 | abrotman | Guerin: sulking? |
| 12:25.46 | Guerin | azeem: that's generally unwise |
| 12:25.48 | tetra | abrotman: i *know* that |
| 12:25.48 | azeem | ovis: no |
| 12:25.53 | jelly | tetra: If I were you, I'd take lmbench, compile a kernel for core2duo and for 686-smp, run the benchmarks and report differences. Luckily I don't have a core2duo so I can't do that. ;-) |
| 12:25.54 | abrotman | tetra: ah ok .. |
| 12:26.00 | Guerin | abrotman: i blame my 12 hours sleep this week |
| 12:26.05 | abrotman | tetra: i could also test/post numbers |
| 12:26.07 | th0ger | abrotman: now it seems that my situation is the same as yours.. (dont know why) No gcc symlinks at all |
| 12:26.16 | abrotman | Guerin: i blame undukatshun! |
| 12:26.28 | abrotman | th0ger: it's a party and you're invited! |
| 12:26.37 | Guerin | abrotman: yeah, that's the cause of my inability to sleep |
| 12:26.43 | tetra | jelly: i'd rather write a script that boots various DEs with multiple applications and timestamp startup/shutdown |
| 12:26.45 | abrotman | Guerin: isn't school supposed to be fun ? |
| 12:26.59 | Guerin | abrotman: that was high skool. This is grad skool. |
| 12:27.00 | asg | abrotman: only if you are one of the cool kids |
| 12:27.02 | dutchfish | jelly, the standard kernel packages are pretty well tweaked to run efficiently to my opinion |
| 12:27.02 | th0ger | abrotman: thanks! sorry i cant be there - have another party tonight |
| 12:27.04 | abrotman | tetra: that's only partially valid |
| 12:27.12 | benkong2 | abrotman: while this error comes from the ubuntu install it still works. It won't even show up in debian etch. |
| 12:27.14 | abrotman | th0ger: drat |
| 12:27.18 | tetra | jelly: besides just kernels, entire distribution compiles, and I have already done it. I don't care to share, do it yourself. |
| 12:27.28 | jelly | tetra: k. Can you put up the url with results when it's finished? |
| 12:27.31 | abrotman | benkong2: but ... it doesn't know the CD format .. how could it mount it ? |
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| 12:27.59 | abrotman | th0ger: i guess you'll have to wait .. seems odd though |
| 12:28.05 | Guerin | tetra: did you include -fomg-ninjas ? |
| 12:28.07 | benkong2 | abrotman: not sure. Can I format a usb drive in linux? |
| 12:28.08 | ovis | azeem: what files does it alter ? or how to find out |
| 12:28.14 | azeem | ovis: I don't know |
| 12:28.18 | abrotman | benkong2: format it with .. what? |
| 12:28.26 | Guerin | benkong2: why would you be unable to? |
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| 12:28.31 | azeem | ovis: if you care about that stuff, do a full install rather than debootstrap |
| 12:28.32 | ovis | oke |
| 12:28.34 | jelly | Guerin: what about -funroll-bananas? |
| 12:28.46 | th0ger | abrotman: yes, ill wait. discussion ends here. |
| 12:28.52 | Braindead | --vomit-frame-pointers |
| 12:28.53 | benkong2 | abrotman: just thought reformatting with fat32 might help. |
| 12:28.54 | Guerin | jelly: -fextra-lube |
| 12:28.55 | abrotman | th0ger: okeedokee .. have a nice day :) |
| 12:29.06 | ovis | azeem i was just wondering |
| 12:29.08 | uptownben | abrotman: Using ANY GUI app for browsing the local network I get the same result, I can see the machines but I'm not "allowed" to see the contents/shares. |
| 12:29.24 | abrotman | uptownben: are they anonymous shares ? |
| 12:29.38 | th0ger | abrotman: and a nice morning to you |
| 12:29.42 | abrotman | benkong2: you can if you want .. use mkfs.vfat |
| 12:29.46 | asg | Guerin: -loadofbollocks |
| 12:29.51 | abrotman | th0ger: oh yeah .. MORE rain! |
| 12:29.56 | benkong2 | ok trying |
| 12:29.59 | jelly | uptownben: does smbmount work? |
| 12:30.00 | Guerin | asg: -fribbed-for-her-pleasure |
| 12:30.12 | asg | Guerin: -fuckin-a |
| 12:30.28 | abrotman | just wait til a person from .do joins ... |
| 12:30.36 | uptownben | abrotman: I get an "ERROR DISPLAYING FOLDER", Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of... |
| 12:30.54 | abrotman | uptownben: uhm .. i've never seen that |
| 12:31.04 | Guerin | asg: heh. http://radioactive.fm/ mouse over stars. needs javascript. |
| 12:31.32 | Guerin | asg: best radio station evar |
| 12:31.43 | uptownben | all the command line tools work and yes they are anonymous shares..meaning they are set up to be READABLE by ALL. |
| 12:32.01 | abrotman | IIRC .. nautilus in sarge can't browse SMB shares |
| 12:32.13 | asg | Guerin: :) |
| 12:32.19 | uptownben | The problem is only with the GUI tools...which is a little wierd |
| 12:32.51 | jelly | uptownben: you tried all, gnome stuff, kde stuff, ye olde LinNeighborhood? |
| 12:32.58 | uptownben | SMBTREE shows me everything and I can mount anonymously via smbclient |
| 12:33.27 | tetra | well, use the command line, like uptownben said, smbtree. |
| 12:33.38 | tetra | smb<tab><tab> |
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| 12:35.28 | jelly | uptownben: they only thing I can think of is that a) gnome is using some strange options for samba access that cmdline tools don't or b) gnome has remembered a previous login/password and is using that instead of binding as guest. |
| 12:35.55 | Guerin | you forget the obvious, which is |
| 12:36.01 | Guerin | c) gnome is fucking stupid |
| 12:36.13 | abrotman | that was covered in a and b :) |
| 12:36.15 | uptownben | Is there a place to check/change which username/password gnome is using? |
| 12:36.18 | jelly | Guerin: I was sure you'd say pebcak. |
| 12:36.43 | uptownben | LinNeighborhood works BTW... |
| 12:36.45 | Guerin | jelly: i've found that gnome is the exception to the 90% pebcak rule |
| 12:36.47 | uptownben | just tried it |
| 12:37.05 | jelly | uptownben: yeah, it uses smbmount. ;-) |
| 12:37.07 | abrotman | uptownben: so .. nautilus doesn't work ? |
| 12:37.26 | tetra | Guerin: don't you mean it's cause instead of exception? |
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| 12:37.47 | abrotman | oh .. putting words in his mouth! |
| 12:37.56 | Guerin | tetra: gnome errors tend to be pebpau |
| 12:37.57 | abrotman | jelly: because! |
| 12:38.11 | uptownben | it lets me mount, but it wont let me open a filemanager |
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| 12:38.14 | abrotman | pebop |
| 12:38.23 | abrotman | uptownben: in nautilus? |
| 12:38.26 | azeem | jelly: because Linux is Unix-based |
| 12:38.41 | uptownben | I'm not using Nautilus |
| 12:38.50 | abrotman | what are you using that doesn't work .. give it a damn name |
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| 12:38.55 | azeem | users are not allowed to mount file systems at arbitrary places |
| 12:39.01 | tetra | Guerin: i just assumed it caused the picnic level because of the inexperience to use a real WM instead of falling back to a DE |
| 12:39.01 | jelly | azeem: ah, but Gnome and KDE aren't. That makes sense. |
| 12:39.31 | jelly | azeem: a well placed setuid can fix that. |
| 12:39.45 | azeem | jelly: right, for a desktop VFS layer |
| 12:39.50 | azeem | That makes sense |
| 12:39.54 | th0ger | Can i somehow tell gcc to show the time used in each part of my program? Just some keywords? |
| 12:40.08 | azeem | th0ger: you mean profiling? |
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| 12:40.24 | Guerin | jelly: yay! Please go and setuid all your binaries so I can use them to hack yo^W^W^Wfor completely legitimate purposes |
| 12:40.30 | abrotman | might want to also ask #gcc |
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| 12:40.33 | th0ger | azeem: perhaps - you tell me? |
| 12:40.45 | uptownben | right now I'm using LinNeighborhood (as I said above) and I can see the shares, I CAN mount them (they mount in my home directry under mnt |
| 12:40.46 | jelly | Guerin: no, I'd setuid only fusermount. ;-) |
| 12:40.50 | azeem | th0ger: I'm not sure what you want, but read up on profiling WRT gcc |
| 12:40.59 | abrotman | uptownben: that's great .. which app DOES NOT work? |
| 12:41.15 | azeem | jelly: incidently, there is discussion about moving gnome-vfs to FUSE |
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| 12:41.20 | th0ger | azeem: ok |
| 12:41.35 | jelly | azeem: that would be very nice, yes. |
| 12:41.49 | azeem | it won't happen this year, of course |
| 12:42.01 | abrotman | or next :) |
| 12:42.08 | azeem | who knows |
| 12:42.11 | uptownben | the app that doesn't work is NETWORK SERVERS (as I said above), under the APPLICATIONS MENU on my GNOME desktop running on Debian Sarge. |
| 12:42.21 | azeem | Novell's lead desktop architect is pushing for it AFAICT |
| 12:42.22 | abrotman | which afaik .. is nautilus |
| 12:42.37 | abrotman | and in sarge .. smb browsing with nautilus is broken |
| 12:42.56 | azeem | uptownben: yeah, don't have too high hopes WRT samba and GNOME in stable :-/ |
| 12:43.00 | th0ger | azeem: I just want a tool to optimize the slowest parts of my code |
| 12:43.02 | azeem | etch should be much better in this regard |
| 12:43.14 | azeem | th0ger: I think that is profiling, yes |
| 12:43.17 | abrotman | if your "Network Servers" in sarge looks like mine in etch .. it's nautilus .. and in sarge . you can't use nautilus to browse smb shares IIRC |
| 12:43.29 | azeem | th0ger: but I never don it myself, so I can only throw keywords at you, sorry |
| 12:43.41 | azeem | abrotman: you can, but not very well |
| 12:43.45 | azeem | AFAIK |
| 12:43.47 | azeem | not suer |
| 12:43.48 | azeem | sure |
| 12:43.59 | th0ger | azeem: ok, but that a start at least :) |
| 12:44.05 | abrotman | azeem: i think you have to have a certain magic between host and client .. all the right options .. and token ring network :) |
| 12:44.09 | uptownben | OK... I'll stick with LinNeighborhood, but anybody know why it wont let me start a file manager on the newly mounted SMB filesystem? |
| 12:45.00 | jelly | uptownben: choose a file manager in the setup. LinNeighborhood is dumb. |
| 12:45.05 | _Dark|La_ | using dpkg -l |
| 12:45.07 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=292688 |
| 12:45.14 | abrotman | now .. that's some horrible bug fixing |
| 12:45.24 | _Dark|La_ | where are documented the ii or rc or ic states of packages? |
| 12:45.41 | Guerin | _Dark|La_: at the top of 'dpkg -l' |
| 12:45.46 | azeem | abrotman: http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/Screenshot-2.png |
| 12:46.12 | abrotman | azeem: but which version of debian ? |
| 12:46.12 | jelly | abrotman: what's worse, isn't 28 Jan 2005 before sarge was out? |
| 12:46.20 | azeem | abrotman: sarge |
| 12:46.34 | abrotman | azeem: i have some at work that work .. but i think they're NT4 shares |
| 12:46.38 | _Dark|La_ | uh, really sorry, i've ever used with | grep :+) |
| 12:46.38 | azeem | abrotman: notice the obsolete "Applications Actions" menu |
| 12:46.48 | azeem | newer versions of GNOME have "Applications Places System" or so |
| 12:46.53 | abrotman | oh yeah |
| 12:47.22 | abrotman | see .. SMB on sarge's gnome is just wonky :) |
| 12:47.29 | azeem | I don't know what kind of shares those are |
| 12:47.38 | azeem | this is the first time I tried Network Servers |
| 12:47.50 | phantom_ | hi all |
| 12:48.00 | abrotman | azeem: hehe |
| 12:48.03 | benkong2 | abrotman: well I am pleased to announce it has nothing to do with etch. My other thumbdrive works just fine. So I am going to format the 2 gig and see what happens |
| 12:48.13 | abrotman | azeem: chromedome is SMB |
| 12:48.15 | phantom_ | we have a server with debian that runs PHP apache2 and Postgresql 8.1 |
| 12:48.20 | abrotman | benkong2: ok |
| 12:48.41 | abrotman | azeem: that's as much as i can figure out :) |
| 12:48.44 | phantom_ | I was doing some maintaning and uninstalled postgresql-client-8.0 |
| 12:48.52 | azeem | abrotman: I mean what server is behind them, like Linux samba, NT4, XP |
| 12:49.25 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 12:49.32 | phantom_ | the thing is that PHP looks like it needed it, and now whenever PHP tries to make a DB copnection it gets a kill signal |
| 12:49.50 | jelly | azeem: smbclient -L hostname might tell you that. |
| 12:49.50 | azeem | I don't care :) |
| 12:50.01 | azeem | I can't access them anyway |
| 12:50.12 | jelly | a true-and-true Gnome user |
| 12:50.22 | jelly | <g> |
| 12:50.26 | abrotman | maybe he doesn't have access ? |
| 12:50.41 | azeem | huh |
| 12:50.51 | azeem | on second try, I see Chromodome's export share |
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| 12:51.04 | phantom_ | anyway to, at least get a postgresql-client-8.0 package? |
| 12:51.31 | phantom_ | any ideas? |
| 12:51.35 | azeem | it appears to have a Windows XP .exe on it :) |
| 12:51.41 | azeem | and I can copy it over via nautilus |
| 12:51.43 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:51.43 | jelly | phantom_: tried restarting apache? |
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| 12:52.17 | jelly | azeem: do you have wine? try double-clicking it! =) |
| 12:52.34 | azeem | http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/Screenshot-3.png |
| 12:52.41 | rubajat | is it possible to run realplayer without GUI? |
| 12:52.45 | azeem | jelly: looks like it is service pack2 |
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| 12:53.11 | jelly | azeem: if it's 1xx MB, yep. |
| 12:53.21 | azeem | it is |
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| 12:53.28 | azeem | well, 265MB |
| 12:53.29 | azeem | anway |
| 12:53.32 | jelly | azeem: but looks more like a single patch to me. |
| 12:53.40 | jelly | or not |
| 12:53.46 | azeem | browsing SMB shares works somewhat on stable, as I just demonstrated |
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| 12:54.01 | olleolleolle | I'd like to know where a2ensite, and apachectl are, on debian Sarge. I'm beginning to feel dumb. |
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| 12:54.15 | azeem | !search |
| 12:54.15 | dpkg | [search] try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 12:54.18 | jelly | heh, heh, uranus, heh |
| 12:54.18 | azeem | olleolleolle: ^^ |
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| 12:54.20 | asg | azeem: you could always just smbmount them |
| 12:54.45 | azeem | asg: but that wasn't the exercise |
| 12:54.55 | azeem | the question was whether SMB browsing works with GNOME on stable |
| 12:55.03 | asg | ah, fair enough |
| 12:56.58 | phantom_ | jelly: yes, I already restarted apache2 3 times |
| 12:57.26 | jelly | phantom_: hm, does php work at all? |
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| 12:58.10 | jelly | phantom_: phpinfo() for example, and maybe something that doesn't use pgsql extension. |
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| 12:58.19 | LinuxHelp | Hi I just installed the package "linux-image-2.6.17-2-k7" how do I get the kernel source for it? |
| 12:58.21 | olleolleolle | Answer about apachectl: Think hard if you're not using Apache 2. Then the tool's name is /usr/sbin/apache2/apache2ctl. |
| 12:58.22 | Darks | hi |
| 12:58.30 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: linux-source-* |
| 12:58.30 | Darks | who i close the vnc in debin |
| 12:58.36 | benkong2 | thanks all the vfat format fixed it on to greater things |
| 12:58.43 | abrotman | yay |
| 12:58.43 | rubajat | is it possible to run realplayer without X11 server running? |
| 12:58.53 | Guerin | rubajat: you must be joking |
| 12:58.59 | azeem | rubajat: for audio only? |
| 12:59.02 | rubajat | yes |
| 12:59.04 | Guerin | rubajat: why would you everr want to run anything without a gui? |
| 12:59.06 | jelly | rubajat: what do you need to play? |
| 12:59.06 | Darks | how i close the vnc? |
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| 12:59.11 | azeem | rubajat: probably not |
| 12:59.20 | Guerin | rubajat: the only player I'm aware of which can do that is mplayer. |
| 12:59.22 | azeem | rubajat: maybe helixplayer can do that |
| 12:59.30 | azeem | Guerin: or mpg321 |
| 12:59.34 | Hoxzer | If my kernel version is 2.6.15-1-686 does linux-source-2.6.15 work with it? |
| 12:59.34 | jelly | rubajat: mplayer can use realplayer's codecs. |
| 12:59.37 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, okay doing that now, thx |
| 12:59.48 | rubajat | ok, I'll check out mplayer |
| 12:59.50 | Guerin | azeem: i should have been more specific, but yeah. |
| 12:59.57 | azeem | heh, sorry |
| 13:00.06 | phantom_ | jelly: php works, but when I hit a script with a DB connection, I get this in the apache error log: child pid 8640 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
| 13:00.08 | jelly | rubajat: a long time ago, there was also "trplayer" but it worked only for RealPlayer7 and 8. |
| 13:00.09 | Guerin | the main thing being that xine, vlc, etc, need x even for just playing audio |
| 13:00.18 | Guerin | even with -nogui and -vo null and so on |
| 13:00.37 | jelly | phantom_: php4? |
| 13:00.38 | LinuxHelp | also, does anybody know when nvidia kernel modules for 2.6.17 will be available as a package for Debian Testing? |
| 13:00.45 | LinuxHelp | !anybody |
| 13:00.45 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:00.56 | Guerin | LinuxHelp: when someone can be arsed packaging them |
| 13:01.10 | azeem | LinuxHelp: are they in unstable already? |
| 13:01.24 | phantom_ | jelly: yes php4 |
| 13:01.32 | LinuxHelp | azeem, perhaps I should check... |
| 13:01.33 | benkong2 | ok now my next post install problem I have an eth2 trying to get an ip address but it is not a valid device. It also is not in /etc/network/interfaces. I have 1 eth0-wireless and 1-eth1 ethernet. where is this eth2 comming from? |
| 13:01.44 | benkong2 | P.S. I do have firewire also |
| 13:02.05 | azeem | benkong2: probably firewire then |
| 13:02.11 | uptownben | I know this is WAY off topic but does anyone know of a POCKETPC channel on freenode? |
| 13:02.15 | phantom_ | jelly: the problem looks like that it's using libpq for postgresql-8.0 and I removed the postgresql-client-8.0 package |
| 13:02.17 | azeem | benkong2: how do you know it tries to get an IP address? |
| 13:02.21 | jelly | phantom_: can you see something wrong in the output of ldd /usr/lib/php4/*/pgsql.so ? |
| 13:02.27 | asg | uptownben: #windows might know of one |
| 13:02.29 | Darks | how i close the vnc? |
| 13:02.34 | azeem | benkong2: do you use network-manager? |
| 13:02.36 | benkong2 | azeem: when booting I get the DHCPDISCOVER lines |
| 13:02.49 | jelly | Darks: F8, then something like close. |
| 13:02.50 | Guerin | hm, why are there no openoffice.org spellchecker packages for en? |
| 13:02.53 | asg | uptownben: or ##windows |
| 13:02.54 | benkong2 | azeem: no I do want to install it today though |
| 13:03.02 | benkong2 | looking for docs on google now |
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| 13:03.18 | Darks | jelly--> ites run win i start the system |
| 13:03.23 | azeem | benkong2: hrm, if eth2 is not referenced in /etc/network/interfaces, it shouldn't get configured |
| 13:03.29 | azeem | unless you use something like network-manager |
| 13:03.31 | jelly | Darks: on Debian? |
| 13:03.34 | phantom_ | jelly: no, every thing looks ok with libpq4 |
| 13:03.44 | Darks | jelly--> yes |
| 13:03.46 | azeem | benkong2: maybe you can try to add a bogus eth2 lines to /e/n/i like eth2 iface statiic |
| 13:03.59 | azeem | network-manager at least will then ignore the interface |
| 13:04.24 | benkong2 | azeem: ok let me try to install networkmanager and see what happens |
| 13:04.25 | jelly | phantom_: could be a bug (that is, ABI changed without changing the soname of the library) |
| 13:04.26 | Hoxzer | If my kernel version is 2.6.15-1-686 does linux-source-2.6.15 work with it? |
| 13:04.49 | benkong2 | hmmmmm.... |
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| 13:05.03 | phantom_ | jelly: the problem is that the server is something between sarge and etch |
| 13:05.11 | azeem | benkong2: what version of Debian do you use? Which kernel? |
| 13:05.13 | phantom_ | :-( |
| 13:05.15 | jelly | phantom_: versions of libpq4, php4-pgsql? |
| 13:05.33 | jelly | phantom_: f*ck, you should have tried backports. oh well. |
| 13:05.40 | benkong2 | kernel is 2.6.15.1-486 |
| 13:05.58 | benkong2 | version is etch |
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| 13:06.50 | azeem | benkong2: do you have WLAN? |
| 13:06.58 | benkong2 | azeem: yes |
| 13:07.08 | azeem | benkong2: n-m requires quite recent kernels for some WLAN chipsets I think |
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| 13:07.13 | azeem | benkong2: well, it's worth a try |
| 13:07.28 | azeem | n-m works pretty well for me (unstable, 2.6.17 though) |
| 13:07.30 | benkong2 | azeem: wlan works fine ist a Prism 2.5 |
| 13:07.33 | azeem | ok |
| 13:07.54 | azeem | n-m puts some additional |
| 13:08.05 | benkong2 | man docs are hard to come by on installing nm on google |
| 13:08.07 | azeem | ... requirements on the drivers, though |
| 13:08.16 | azeem | benkong2: do you run GNOME? |
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| 13:09.23 | benkong2 | azeem: yes |
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| 13:09.58 | azeem | benkong2: then just apt-get install network-manager network-manager-gnome |
| 13:10.03 | phantom_ | jelly: I know :-( |
| 13:10.08 | azeem | and maybe start nm-applet from the terminal |
| 13:10.23 | jelly | phalacee: libpq4 doesn't even exist in sarge. you'll probably have to upgrade some related package too, the question is which one. |
| 13:10.27 | jelly | err |
| 13:10.31 | azeem | benkong2: check /var/log/daemon.log for n-m output if things don't work as expected |
| 13:10.31 | benkong2 | azeem: ok trying I just worried about the dhcbdb and other dependencies. but trying now |
| 13:10.35 | jelly | phantom_: libpq4 doesn't even exist in sarge. you'll probably have to upgrade some related package too, the question is which one. |
| 13:10.40 | benkong2 | k |
| 13:10.41 | jelly | phalacee: sorry for that |
| 13:10.43 | phantom_ | jelly: libpq is 8.1.0-2 and libapache2-mod-php4 is 4.4.0 |
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| 13:10.52 | azeem | benkong2: you need to comment out the interfaces you want n-m to handle in /e/n/i |
| 13:11.03 | benkong2 | azeem: will do |
| 13:11.32 | jelly | phantom_: I'd upgrade libapache2-mod-php4 and see what happens. |
| 13:11.50 | jelly | phalacee: 4.4.2 is in testing. |
| 13:11.58 | phantom_ | jelly: the problem is that anything I want to upgrade to etch it wants to remove the 2.4 kernel |
| 13:12.01 | jelly | meh |
| 13:12.30 | azeem | phantom_: anything? |
| 13:12.36 | azeem | even something trivial like coreutils? |
| 13:12.49 | jelly | phantom_: is this a production server? |
| 13:12.58 | phantom_ | azeem: yes, because it want's to upgrade libc6 |
| 13:13.14 | phantom_ | jelly: you shouldn't have esked that ;-) |
| 13:13.20 | phantom_ | asked |
| 13:13.34 | azeem | phantom_: what happens if you just apt-get install libc6? |
| 13:13.39 | azeem | that shouldn't remove the 2.4 kernel |
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| 13:13.47 | phantom_ | azeem: it does |
| 13:13.55 | azeem | phantom_: paste the output to a pastebin |
| 13:13.56 | azeem | !paste |
| 13:13.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 13:15.31 | jelly | I wanted to suggest editing /v/l/d/status to make it look like new libc6 was already installed, but only if it wasn't a production server. ;-) |
| 13:16.23 | phantom_ | azeem: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3761 |
| 13:16.25 | azeem | jelly: you're evil |
| 13:16.46 | rubajat | jelly,Guerin,azeem: mplayer works perfectly with realaudio streams. thx |
| 13:16.50 | azeem | phantom_: what does apt-get -f install do? |
| 13:16.56 | azeem | rubajat: \o/ |
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| 13:17.36 | sysop | hi |
| 13:17.59 | jetscreamer | ~fix azeem |
| 13:18.04 | apt | ACTION takes azeem to the vet for a "special" visit. |
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| 13:18.31 | sysop | ~fix george bush |
| 13:18.33 | apt | ACTION takes george bush to the vet for a "special" visit. |
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| 13:19.10 | jelly | ~fix takes a hike, you go |
| 13:19.12 | apt | ACTION takes takes a hike, you go to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 13:19.35 | phantom_ | azeem: nothing |
| 13:20.05 | syntaxx | is security.debian.org down? |
| 13:20.37 | sysop | here is my questions. my kcontrol mouse panel is broken. where do I put the actual cursor files I download from kde. I tried /usr/share/apps/kcminput but didnt work. |
| 13:20.51 | azeem | phantom_: hrm |
| 13:21.01 | jelly | syntaxx: works fine form here. |
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| 13:21.19 | jelly | syntaxx: the repository. |
| 13:21.35 | syntaxx | jelly, ok im getting temporary failure resolving security.debian.org |
| 13:22.03 | jelly | syntaxx: your dns or nscd or dhcp server is misbehaving. |
| 13:22.12 | wols_ | that would mean the DNS for it is down for you. not the server itself |
| 13:22.31 | sysop | security.debian.org. 300 IN A 128.101.240.212 |
| 13:22.41 | sysop | resolves for me. |
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| 13:27.57 | zaphands | Hello! I don't have mplayer in my apt database. how can I retrieve it? |
| 13:28.04 | azeem | !mplayer |
| 13:28.04 | dpkg | i heard mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga>, or at http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 13:28.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: dark oberon needs fmod which is not free |
| 13:28.22 | azeem | zaphands: http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 13:28.34 | tarzeau | and glfw which isn't in debian |
| 13:28.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: i can't get it to compile anyways |
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| 13:29.11 | tarzeau | http://glfw.sourceforge.net/ but it's got nice demos |
| 13:29.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: bloboats neither? |
| 13:29.31 | zaphands | And what about nero? |
| 13:29.44 | abrotman | eh .. you grep for [N] with .. \[N\] ? |
| 13:30.05 | abrotman | nerp |
| 13:30.54 | abrotman | zaphands: try apt-get.org |
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| 13:34.18 | zaphands | Thanks |
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| 13:36.01 | dimes | anyone up got time to answer some initrd questions? |
| 13:36.50 | tarzeau | dimes: nobody got time to read your mind |
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| 13:37.03 | dimes | =P |
| 13:37.12 | dimes | but yes, sorry |
| 13:37.17 | dimes | =) |
| 13:37.20 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau: I do |
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| 13:37.45 | dimes | I need to include a new module into a stock initrd img |
| 13:37.56 | dimes | but along with it I need to include some files also |
| 13:38.24 | dimes | the modules is the qla2xxx module for an HBA and the file structure is the firmware it requires |
| 13:38.50 | dimes | I misspoke, I actually prefere making a new kernel and initrd img |
| 13:39.15 | dimes | but regardless, I am having a hard time coming up with a howto on doing such a thing |
| 13:39.37 | azeem | there's some config file for that |
| 13:39.46 | azeem | which initrd generator are you using? |
| 13:39.52 | azeem | or which version of Debian? |
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| 13:39.56 | dimes | sarge |
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| 13:40.02 | dimes | so I believe mkinitrd |
| 13:40.34 | abrotman | /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf ? |
| 13:40.36 | dimes | though I don't mind moving to etch |
| 13:40.41 | dimes | sure, |
| 13:40.43 | abrotman | is this HP hardware? |
| 13:41.02 | dimes | but how do I deal with needing the extra filesystem to hold the firmware |
| 13:41.08 | dimes | dell hardware |
| 13:41.26 | abrotman | and / is on this controller? |
| 13:41.27 | azeem | extra filesystem? |
| 13:41.33 | dimes | I am trying to get a box to boot off a san |
| 13:41.45 | dimes | abrot: yes |
| 13:41.45 | abrotman | i thnik he needs the firmware to get the controller going .. but / is on the controller ? |
| 13:41.50 | dimes | abrot: it will be |
| 13:41.58 | jetscreamer | anybody know where in about:config fonts for the toolbars are controlled? |
| 13:41.59 | dimes | abrot: exactly |
| 13:42.05 | asg | dimes: are you using the qlogic binary drivers? |
| 13:42.10 | abrotman | dimes: so you want to build the firmware into the initrd if possible |
| 13:42.20 | dimes | abrot: yes exactly |
| 13:42.31 | abrotman | jetscreamer: gtk-theme-switch2 ? |
| 13:42.45 | dimes | asg: no, default kernel with firmware added |
| 13:42.56 | jetscreamer | abrotman: ah i mean mozilla/firefox |
| 13:42.58 | abrotman | dimes: while i understnad the problem .. dunno how the heck you do it .. or if it's even possible |
| 13:43.01 | dimes | asg: in the /lib/firmware dir |
| 13:43.05 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i know .. gtk-theme-switch2 :) |
| 13:43.35 | dimes | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.57 | asg | dimes: for our sarge boxes, we just built custom initrds with the qla drivers from qlogic since the multipathing is handled internally. When etch goes stable, we'll probably have to use mdadm to do the multipathing but that's another story. |
| 13:43.59 | dimes | abrot: right now I am just looking for docs on how to create an initrd img from scratch |
| 13:44.29 | azeem | dimes: did you try /usr/share/doc/mkinitrd/ |
| 13:44.36 | azeem | or whatever package that is in |
| 13:44.44 | asg | initrd-tools |
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| 13:45.01 | abrotman | jetscreamer: find it ? |
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| 13:46.33 | dimes | azeem not a whole lot of usefull docs in /usr/share/doc/initrd-tools |
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| 13:47.15 | sysop | has anyone here messed with xgl under debian? |
| 13:47.41 | asg | dimes: did you read the manpage? |
| 13:48.05 | abrotman | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-kernel@lists.debian.org/msg20132.html |
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| 13:57.46 | Tallu | I'm trying to compile the latest kernel on debian etch.. I can't make menuconfig for some reason, whereas make config and oldconfig work. Does it depend on something else? |
| 13:58.50 | Tallu | I cant access the internet on the computer before I get the kernel upgraded so I have to download all the packages manually :P |
| 13:58.56 | asg | Tallu: install libncurses5-dev |
| 13:58.59 | turrini | Tallu, It depends on libncurses |
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| 13:59.20 | Tallu | thanks |
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| 14:00.08 | asg | !ops 09:59 -N1kcSrev:#debian- Somebody has sent you a message, to read it type: /server read 1 |
| 14:00.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: asg complains about: 09:59 -N1kcSrev:#debian- Somebody has sent you a message, to read it type: /server read 1 |
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| 14:00.21 | asg | azeem: thanks |
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| 14:01.57 | turrini | damn network connection |
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| 14:03.49 | jelly | what's the name of these characters: { } ? |
| 14:03.56 | turrini | curly braces |
| 14:04.00 | jelly | thanks |
| 14:04.07 | Tallu | 5,5 hours of battery life left |
| 14:04.16 | Tallu | i'm so in love with lenovo |
| 14:05.20 | jelly | Tallu: you're not the only one! |
| 14:05.36 | Tallu | jelly, I know! |
| 14:06.40 | Tallu | okay off to upgrade kernel and see if i can get it connected after that :) |
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| 14:09.18 | vchrizz | im working on a root-server where i compiled my own kernel via make-kpkg and installed it with dpkg but after a reboot the old kernel boots :/ |
| 14:10.10 | DESiBELi | vchrizz: did you modify your boot loader? |
| 14:10.22 | DESiBELi | for grub: boot.list |
| 14:10.24 | vchrizz | but the files in /boot/ look right (atleast they got the datetime i compiled the kernel) |
| 14:10.29 | kristalino | http://packages.dotdeb.org/ <---- how can i add this repository ? |
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| 14:10.53 | kristalino | i tried deb http://packages.dotdeb.org/ sarge main |
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| 14:11.08 | kristalino | deb http://packages.dotdeb.org/ sarge dist, deb http://packages.dotdeb.org/ dist sarge |
| 14:11.19 | DESiBELi | kristalino: add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:11.20 | vchrizz | DESiBELi, lilo ... dpkg modified lilo.conf |
| 14:11.22 | kristalino | what is the right line ? |
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| 14:11.28 | kristalino | DESiBELi, wich one ? |
| 14:11.34 | phantom_ | guys, just for you to know (jelly and azeem) I fixed the PHP postgresql and apache2 |
| 14:11.46 | DESiBELi | vchrizz: should, but check |
| 14:11.51 | DESiBELi | kristalino: deb http://packages.dotdeb.org/ sarge dist |
| 14:11.52 | phantom_ | the real problem was with ssl connections |
| 14:11.53 | wols_ | vchrizz: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:11.59 | azeem | phantom_: great! |
| 14:12.04 | wols_ | DESiBELi: there is no boot.list |
| 14:12.10 | phantom_ | I turned off ssl in postgresql.conf and know it's working |
| 14:12.25 | DESiBELi | wols_: oh yeah srry :) |
| 14:12.31 | wols_ | vchrizz: then you have to edit your lilo.conf yourself and fix it |
| 14:12.34 | phantom_ | apache2 and PG are in the same machine, so it's not a problem |
| 14:12.43 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:12.43 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:12.45 | vchrizz | DESiBELi, i checked, seems ok... |
| 14:12.46 | kristalino | DESiBELi, as i said i already tried it |
| 14:12.49 | kristalino | DESiBELi, Err http://packages.dotdeb.org sarge/dist Packages |
| 14:12.49 | kristalino | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.08 | phantom_ | the bad thing is that I won't be able to connect with psql from my workstation :-( |
| 14:13.11 | vchrizz | wols_, did that... sec, ill paste on rafb ;) |
| 14:13.14 | DESiBELi | kristalino: well is the mirror ok? |
| 14:13.25 | kristalino | DESiBELi, it is. |
| 14:13.30 | phantom_ | well, next week we'll program an upgrade of the whole server |
| 14:13.34 | phantom_ | thanks all |
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| 14:13.59 | DESiBELi | kristalino: its deb http://packages.dotdeb.org/ dist sarge |
| 14:14.08 | Hoxzer | "where number is the same revision number used to build the kernel-image package in the previous step. This will generate a lirc-modules-<kernel version> deb file in the parent directory." <- there was no previous step and I haven't compiled my kernel manually so how do I know this "revision number"? |
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| 14:14.36 | olleolleolle | Um, a dumb question: What is the shebang line for a bash script? |
| 14:14.40 | olleolleolle | ...on Sarge. |
| 14:14.46 | azeem | #!/bin/sh |
| 14:14.54 | wols_ | olleolleolle: #!/bin/sh for example |
| 14:14.55 | kristalino | DESiBELi, as i said i already tried it |
| 14:15.06 | kristalino | DESiBELi, Err http://packages.dotdeb.org dist/sarge Packages |
| 14:15.08 | DESiBELi | kristalino: what error does deb http://packages.dotdeb.org/ dist sarge give? |
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| 14:15.23 | olleolleolle | wols_: Thanks, that was nice of you. Now my thing works. |
| 14:15.35 | kristalino | DESiBELi, Failed to fetch http://packages.dotdeb.org/dists/dist/sarge/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found <--- this error |
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| 14:15.56 | DESiBELi | kristalino: try deb http://packages.dotdeb.org/ dist sarge all |
| 14:16.36 | kristalino | DESiBELi, Failed to fetch http://packages.dotdeb.org/dists/dist/sarge/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found <---- still this error |
| 14:16.57 | DESiBELi | kristalino: with deb http://packages.dotdeb.org/ dist sarge all? |
| 14:16.59 | DESiBELi | shouldnt |
| 14:17.06 | abrotman | don't use dotdeb anymore |
| 14:17.07 | kristalino | DESiBELi, it does. |
| 14:17.12 | DESiBELi | because the file is in http://packages.dotdeb.org/dists/sarge/all/binary-i386/ |
| 14:17.14 | abrotman | use backports.org |
| 14:17.36 | kristalino | abrotman, i need the essential php5-mcrypt module |
| 14:17.43 | abrotman | essential ? |
| 14:17.50 | kristalino | for me yes. |
| 14:18.12 | abrotman | weirdo :) |
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| 14:18.38 | kristalino | and backport hasnt got it. So can you help ? |
| 14:19.18 | abrotman | can i help you fix dotdeb ? |
| 14:19.28 | abrotman | what's the source line? |
| 14:19.40 | azeem | kristalino: did you try "deb http://packages.dotdeb.org sarge all"? |
| 14:20.39 | kristalino | azeem, thanks it works. What is the logical of this line ? |
| 14:21.06 | kristalino | i tried to guess it several times, i hardly find what's the logic behind |
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| 14:21.35 | DarkCow | is debian stable pretty much rock-hard against kernel exploits? |
| 14:22.35 | azeem | DarkCow: against unknown kernel exploits? |
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| 14:22.54 | k31th | Hi guys, How can i stop the system recieving email for username@ |
| 14:23.22 | k31th | I still want mail to work for that username just not the email address username@domain.com |
| 14:23.23 | Bushmills | DarkCow: a distribution itself can't remain secure without the admin keeping it secure |
| 14:23.38 | abrotman | k31th: ask the channel for your smtp server |
| 14:24.01 | k31th | abrotman: what do you mea |
| 14:24.03 | k31th | mean |
| 14:24.10 | abrotman | k31th: exim? postfix? qmail? sendmail ? |
| 14:24.23 | Bushmills | k31th: procmailrc with procmail, /etc/aliases with many mtas, depends ... |
| 14:24.25 | k31th | postfix |
| 14:24.27 | DarkCow | I'm just a little worried that having not updated for ages is going to leave me open |
| 14:24.31 | k31th | shit no |
| 14:24.34 | abrotman | k31th: so ask #postfix |
| 14:24.34 | k31th | sendmail |
| 14:24.47 | abrotman | make up your mind |
| 14:25.19 | Bushmills | k31th: look at /etc/postfix/virtual if you use virtual mail accounts |
| 14:25.22 | azeem | DarkCow: there have been recent kernel updates for sarge |
| 14:25.32 | DarkCow | how recent? |
| 14:25.38 | azeem | see security.debian.org |
| 14:25.40 | abrotman | three weeks ago i think ? |
| 14:25.45 | DarkCow | hrmm |
| 14:25.52 | abrotman | maybe four ... |
| 14:25.57 | abrotman | my mind is getting feeble |
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| 14:26.54 | k31th | Bushmills: Yes i do user virtual accounts, they work great its not that the system always recieves email for the username as well |
| 14:27.00 | k31th | wondered if i could stop that |
| 14:28.34 | Bushmills | k31th: sorry, i don't understand. you want to stop what? that it is not receiving the mail for the user? |
| 14:28.48 | Bushmills | well, in that case, fix your config |
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| 14:32.26 | benkong2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.43 | benkong2 | ^^myself |
| 14:33.11 | benkong2 | I also did the fc-cache rebuild on the fonts |
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| 14:33.50 | coach | hi@all |
| 14:33.59 | coach | tarzeau: ah, you're here^^ |
| 14:34.11 | coach | tarzeau: how can i change a symlinks target? |
| 14:34.43 | tarzeau | coach: in mc ctrl-x-s |
| 14:34.51 | tarzeau | if you press f1, you can read the documentation |
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| 14:35.11 | coach | tarzeau: i've got no x... |
| 14:35.18 | tarzeau | coach: no x key? |
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| 14:35.24 | coach | tarzeau: what you've done only worked once |
| 14:35.25 | househead | hi all |
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| 14:35.42 | tarzeau | coach: did you change your kernel? |
| 14:35.49 | tarzeau | coach: or overwrite your x config file? |
| 14:35.49 | coach | tarzeau: no |
| 14:35.53 | coach | tarzeau: no |
| 14:36.00 | coach | tarzeau: i have to login normal |
| 14:36.03 | househead | really quick Q - on debian, where is the best place to reference my firewall script? in gentoo it's /etc/init.d/local |
| 14:36.14 | coach | tarzeau: then i put nv as driver |
| 14:36.21 | coach | tarzeau: then i start x |
| 14:36.29 | tarzeau | coach: nvidia don't work? |
| 14:36.39 | coach | tarzeau: then i quit it^^ (dunno another way to stop x) |
| 14:36.51 | coach | tarzeau: then i run the nvidia-installer... |
| 14:36.58 | househead | anyone? |
| 14:37.08 | coach | tarzeau: and then i can start x again^^ |
| 14:37.18 | DarkCow | is there any way that I can see when the last time an update was done? |
| 14:37.22 | wols_ | househead: best way is to create your own init.d script |
| 14:37.27 | tarzeau | coach: i don't know, i don't have such problems at all |
| 14:37.34 | tarzeau | DarkCow: /ver/log/dpkg.log |
| 14:37.35 | coach | tarzeau: an dnow i updated my gcc and the driver wants gcc4, so i have to edit the symlink |
| 14:37.38 | tarzeau | DarkCow: if you have testing and later |
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| 14:37.44 | DarkCow | bah |
| 14:37.49 | househead | wols_> thanks, what rc-update.d options do i use to run on boot? |
| 14:38.25 | coach | tarzeau: you put something into my runlevel, dind't you? |
| 14:38.33 | coach | tarzeau: how can i get rid of it? |
| 14:38.36 | Kurtism | hello friends |
| 14:38.47 | wols_ | coach: you cannot start X after you reboot again? you have to go through installing the nvidia driver again before you can run X with it? |
| 14:38.55 | tarzeau | coach: see nvidia-driver in /etc/init.d/ |
| 14:38.58 | coach | wols_: right |
| 14:39.00 | tarzeau | coach: rm the script |
| 14:39.10 | coach | tarzeau: thx, i'll try |
| 14:39.14 | wols_ | coach: then have to add "nvidia" to /etc/modules |
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| 14:39.25 | wols_ | *you |
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| 14:39.31 | jokio | Hi, another dhcp client neighter dhclient nor pump? |
| 14:39.44 | Bushmills | jokio: dhcpcd |
| 14:39.49 | azeem | dhcp3-client |
| 14:39.57 | jokio | works as dhclient? |
| 14:40.02 | jokio | uhmm, interesting |
| 14:40.15 | azeem | note the second c |
| 14:40.35 | Bushmills | ".. client daemon" |
| 14:40.40 | coach | tarzeau: kk, i removed it, now i'll reboot...cya |
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| 14:45.33 | coach | tarzeau, hmmm....back again^^ |
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| 14:46.27 | coach | tarzeau, now it boots completely, but glxinfo just says 'spiecherzugriffsfehler', in english it must be something like 'coul's read resources' or so |
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| 14:46.55 | coach | *could'nt |
| 14:47.28 | tarzeau | i want an aquarium like this guy: http://agua.2y.net/sb/ |
| 14:47.47 | wols_ | coach: does it use nv or nvidia (you can look in your logs) |
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| 14:48.30 | wols_ | btw: tarzeau is from the confoederatio helvetica. he understands "speicherzugrifssfehler" = RAM access error just fine :) |
| 14:48.51 | tarzeau | wols_: hehe :) |
| 14:48.56 | coach | hmpf...nv^^...sry, brb |
| 14:49.00 | azeem | it is segmentation violation in english |
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| 14:56.45 | coach | i'm back~.~ |
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| 14:58.20 | kristalino | where is the debuild command (in wich package) ? |
| 14:58.23 | coach | tarzeau: i know i'm going on your nerves, but how can i edit a symlinks target in a shell? |
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| 14:58.51 | tarzeau | coach: rm/ln |
| 14:59.12 | tarzeau | kristalino: devscripts |
| 14:59.47 | kristalino | tarzeau, thanks |
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| 15:02.03 | infernix | gah, which is for 2.6, /etc/modprobe.d or /etc/modutils? i keep forgetting. |
| 15:02.19 | azeem | the former I thin |
| 15:02.20 | azeem | k |
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| 15:04.14 | infernix | well, its not; after depmod -a, modules.conf has data which resides in /etc/modutils |
| 15:04.25 | infernix | i wonder if i can just remove morprobe.d entirely |
| 15:04.31 | infernix | s/mor/mod/ |
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| 15:05.44 | Darks | hi |
| 15:06.09 | Darks | whet is the probalm --> http://rafb.net/paste/results/scKSIU90.html |
| 15:06.29 | Darks | user can get in to windows |
| 15:07.14 | wols_ | Darks: we're not psychic. we don't know what the problem is |
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| 15:07.25 | waiting | I am psychic |
| 15:07.29 | infernix | hrm, more confusion; update-modules uses /dev/modutils/* but when i modprobe, it complains when an error is in a file in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 15:07.31 | waiting | and I don't know either |
| 15:08.37 | Darks | wols_ ---> user can rite in the windows partition |
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| 15:13.29 | wols_ | Darks: and? |
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| 15:14.04 | wols_ | set it "ro" and the user can't write |
| 15:14.27 | wols_ | or mount it on a different user/group and set umask accordingly. and the user can't write anymore |
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| 15:18.25 | Darks | wols_ /dev/hdb7 /mnt/windows vfat ro,noaurw,users,exec,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset$/dev/sda1 |
| 15:18.31 | Darks | ites ok ? |
| 15:18.54 | Darks | i insort ro |
| 15:19.04 | azeem | try it out |
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| 15:21.13 | Hoxzer | ;eh is somebody here having problems with nvidia-kernel-2.6.16-2-686? |
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| 15:23.27 | zamolxes | hi. Is there a policy about bringing Perl modules (and apps while we're here) in Debian? |
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| 15:24.02 | zamolxes | I need to deploy some exotic CPAN modules , and I want to do it right |
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| 15:26.12 | wols_ | Hoxzer: ask your real question |
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| 15:27.02 | quimby | I am working on a debian netinstall from floppy - I am trying to specify boot parameters for the installation system, but it still expects "root=" . . .what do I put when I don't have a kernel installed yet? (ramdisk?) |
| 15:27.12 | quimby | any help appreciated |
| 15:27.21 | Hoxzer | wols_: it is pretty simple thing actually, x fails to load nvidia modules if I boot 2.6.16 kernel |
| 15:29.02 | felipefg | quimby, initrd is the way to go i think.. i think that there is even an option to put this initrd in another floppy, so the kernel prompts for it.. |
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| 15:30.17 | quimby | felipefg: put my parameters in the initrd on the floppy? |
| 15:31.12 | felipefg | hmm sorry |
| 15:31.21 | felipefg | i misunderstood your question |
| 15:32.16 | Hoxzer | wols_: also, I dont get it why stuff like xserver-xorg depends on nvidia-kernel-legacy eventhough nvidia-kernel has been installed |
| 15:32.28 | felipefg | to pass parameters, you will need a loader |
| 15:33.14 | felipefg | have a look at syslinux, or even lilo.. |
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| 15:35.49 | quimby | felipefg: the debian floppies contain syslinux . . . the install help gives me examples of using parameters to start the install . . like "linux sym53c8xx=safe" . . . but then I get kernel panic when it can't mount root |
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| 15:50.50 | pitio | can anyone share a good how-to for activation real transparency and shadows?? :3 |
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| 15:53.02 | LinuxHelp | okay, I give up, where has the "nvidia-glx" package gone to? (Debs Testing 2.6.16-2-k7) |
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| 15:54.11 | LinuxHelp | I know theres nvidia-glx-legacy, but thats only for 2.6.15 |
| 15:54.45 | jetscreamer | not in etch |
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| 15:55.11 | jetscreamer | use the sid ones |
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| 15:55.45 | LinuxHelp | jetscreamer, kcool, can you do that !sid-backport thing? Caus' I'm not sure how to do that |
| 15:56.09 | azeem | LinuxHelp: no, because nvidia-glx is not Free Software |
| 15:56.12 | jetscreamer | if it was me i would just d/l the packages from pdo |
| 15:56.21 | azeem | LinuxHelp: well, maybe you can try, dunno |
| 15:56.27 | jetscreamer | i don't use the .debs though for nvidia |
| 15:56.43 | LinuxHelp | azeem, I'm talkin' 'bout non-free repos |
| 15:57.31 | LinuxHelp | jetscreamer, it just seems weird caus theres a nvidia-kernel-2.6.16-2-k7 but no nvidia-glx for it |
| 15:57.49 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 15:58.04 | jetscreamer | i don't understand why, but it's been like that for a while |
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| 15:58.21 | LinuxHelp | !sid-backport |
| 15:58.42 | jetscreamer | !listkeys sid-backport |
| 15:58.44 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sid-backport' by key returned no results. |
| 15:58.51 | jetscreamer | !listkeys backport |
| 15:58.53 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'backport' by key (15 of 24): #debian backport ;; #debian backports ;; #debian backports.org ;; #debian easy sid backport ;; _default backport ;; _default backports ;; _default easy sid backport ;; backport ;; backports ;; backports key ;; backports.org ;; easy sid backport ;; php4 backport ;; security backports ;; simple sid backport. |
| 15:59.08 | jetscreamer | simple or easy |
| 15:59.08 | LinuxHelp | !easy sid backport |
| 15:59.09 | dpkg | simple sid backport is, like, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 15:59.13 | jetscreamer | take your pick :) |
| 15:59.46 | jetscreamer | !simple sid backport |
| 15:59.47 | dpkg | methinks simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 15:59.51 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 16:01.09 | LinuxHelp | unstable seems cool, I wanna try it sometime |
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| 16:02.41 | LinuxHelp | jetscreamer, apt-cache search glx isn't listing anything new, so I cant proceed with step 3 |
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| 16:03.55 | metrix | how would I find out if samba is broken in testing? |
| 16:03.58 | jetscreamer | !find nvidia-glx sid |
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| 16:05.18 | jetscreamer | nvidia-glx - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
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| 16:05.33 | jetscreamer | nvidia-glx-dev - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x / Xorg driver development files |
| 16:05.40 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 16:05.40 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:05.43 | jetscreamer | err |
| 16:05.52 | jetscreamer | bugs.debian.org |
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| 16:06.23 | jetscreamer | LinuxHelp: beats me |
| 16:06.32 | jetscreamer | LinuxHelp: .run works :) |
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| 16:07.19 | jetscreamer | if you get desperate ... http://kanotix.com/files/install-nvidia-debian.sh |
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| 16:07.34 | jetscreamer | uses the nvidia binary, non-free |
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| 16:07.58 | AntiG | hi all |
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| 16:08.29 | AntiG | wich kernel version there is in sid ? |
| 16:08.37 | AntiG | (sorry for the english) |
| 16:09.14 | jetscreamer | 2.6.17-somelthing |
| 16:09.22 | LinuxHelp | AntiG, I just looked, I think its 2.6.17-1 |
| 16:09.30 | LinuxHelp | whereas Testing has 2.6.17-2, |
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| 16:09.35 | LinuxHelp | which is quite strange |
| 16:09.45 | AntiG | mmm |
| 16:09.47 | jetscreamer | !find linux-image-2.6.17 |
| 16:09.58 | AntiG | because synaptic put my kernel in local obsolete |
| 16:09.58 | LinuxHelp | AntiG, look on packages.debian.org |
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| 16:12.05 | el_gringo | linux-image-2.6.17-2-k7 - Linux 2.6.17 image on AMD K7 |
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| 16:12.42 | AntiG | but in sid there isn't smp ? |
| 16:12.48 | AntiG | i cant find it |
| 16:12.50 | el_gringo | yes there is |
| 16:12.54 | LinuxHelp | all 2.6.17 is smp |
| 16:12.59 | LinuxHelp | in both testing and unstable |
| 16:13.11 | el_gringo | ah? |
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| 16:14.18 | el_gringo | --- #linuxsociety :You can't join that many channels |
| 16:14.50 | el_gringo | linux-image-2.6-686-smp - Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 SMP - transition package |
| 16:15.11 | el_gringo | linux-image-2.6.16-2-686-smp - Linux kernel 2.6.16 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 SMP machines linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7-smp - Linux kernel 2.6.16 image on AMD K7 SMP machines |
| 16:15.21 | el_gringo | oops |
| 16:15.29 | clownish | hey! im just trying to install the nvidia graphics driver on a Debian Sid with m-a i-a nvidia, but i get every time this errors: http://nopaste.info/94410d127b.html maybe someone can help me? |
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| 16:15.47 | AntiG | mmm i don't understand nothing |
| 16:15.52 | AntiG | i have p4 3ghz |
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| 16:16.01 | AntiG | wich kernel is best for my pc ? |
| 16:16.06 | el_gringo | smp iirc |
| 16:16.09 | AntiG | *the best |
| 16:16.19 | wols_ | AntiG: i646 with SMP if you have hyperthreading |
| 16:16.21 | LinuxHelp | for sid, 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 16:16.26 | LinuxHelp | ^^ AntiG |
| 16:17.07 | wols_ | LinuxHelp: most 3GHz P4s have HT |
| 16:17.07 | el_gringo | !info patch |
| 16:17.15 | dpkg | patch: (Apply a diff file to an original), section utils, is standard. Version: 2.5.9-4 (sid), Packaged size: 97 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
| 16:17.16 | LinuxHelp | AntiG, it doesnt say -smp, but it does have it |
| 16:17.25 | AntiG | yes LinuxHelp but for pentium i have found this |
| 16:17.37 | el_gringo | you might try apt-get install patch clownish, but i dunno |
| 16:17.58 | LinuxHelp | AntiG, you have found what? |
| 16:18.08 | AntiG | ... sorry |
| 16:18.11 | AntiG | now i post |
| 16:18.24 | clownish | jetscreamer, is installed |
| 16:18.26 | AntiG | linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686-bigmem - Header files for Linux 2.6.17 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 16:18.33 | AntiG | linux-headers-2.6.17-2-vserver-686 - Header files for Linux 2.6.17 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 16:18.42 | AntiG | linux-headers-2.6.17-2-xen-686 - Header files for Linux 2.6.17 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 16:18.48 | LinuxHelp | linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 is what you need |
| 16:19.00 | AntiG | ok |
| 16:19.01 | AntiG | tnx |
| 16:19.05 | LinuxHelp | np |
| 16:19.24 | jetscreamer | dunno clownish :/ |
| 16:20.46 | LinuxHelp | AntiG, just do a "uname -a " after you have rebooted, and it should say SMP |
| 16:21.05 | AntiG | mmm LinuxHelp |
| 16:21.16 | AntiG | wich release have you ? |
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| 16:22.31 | AntiG | ok, i have found !!! |
| 16:22.34 | LinuxHelp | AntiG, I build my kernel from source, 2.6.17-3 |
| 16:22.37 | AntiG | tnx so much LinuxHelp |
| 16:22.54 | AntiG | ehehe i'm not abilited to do that |
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| 16:23.37 | AntiG | now i install it |
| 16:23.42 | AntiG | see you later |
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| 16:25.33 | jetscreamer | it's really easy with make-kpkg AntiG |
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| 16:26.01 | AntiG | ahah tnx jetscreamer but you don't know what i can really do |
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| 16:26.34 | jetscreamer | if i can do it anybody can :) |
| 16:26.37 | AntiG | like a bomb i think that i can crack my pc |
| 16:26.44 | AntiG | it's not funny ... not for me |
| 16:27.07 | SmallR2002 | i was wondering if anyone knew where i could get the debs for xchat 2.6.6 |
| 16:27.10 | jetscreamer | just don't remove your old kernel that works and you can't really break much ;) |
| 16:27.29 | jetscreamer | it's 2.6.4 in sid atm |
| 16:27.39 | jetscreamer | course there are 11 packages i've not updated |
| 16:27.40 | wols_ | and keep a knoppix CD around with which you can edit you grub menu.lst in case your new kernel fscks up |
| 16:27.53 | jetscreamer | or just make a grub-floppy |
| 16:27.55 | AntiG | jetscreamer: but change a lot if you compile the kernel ? |
| 16:28.12 | jetscreamer | no not really, esp if you're running a 2.6.17 and compile one |
| 16:28.25 | AntiG | mmm |
| 16:28.27 | AntiG | ok |
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| 16:28.42 | AntiG | so i think that i doesn't |
| 16:28.43 | jetscreamer | the big thing to remember is about initrd |
| 16:29.10 | wols_ | AntiG: you normally remove drivers for hardware you don't have. vaious people told me it seepds up at least the boot process quite well |
| 16:29.17 | LinuxHelp | I dont use initrd :D |
| 16:29.17 | jetscreamer | you either compile in your ide drivers and such, or pass --initrd to make-kpkg |
| 16:29.19 | SmallR2002 | jetscreamer, i know it's 2.6.4 in sid, but i want 2.6.6 *stamps* :P |
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| 16:29.40 | jetscreamer | source? cvs/svn? |
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| 16:29.46 | wols_ | AntiG: yes. never use initrd if at all possible (always possible unless you use RAID/LVM basically) |
| 16:29.58 | wols_ | SmallR2002: so compile your own |
| 16:30.08 | SmallR2002 | mmmn |
| 16:30.14 | SmallR2002 | not sure i want to really |
| 16:30.28 | wols_ | why anyone would want a kernel older than the sarge one is beyond me tho |
| 16:31.03 | wols_ | and I don't have a 2.6.4 kernel either here |
| 16:31.06 | SmallR2002 | i don't feel like going through the work of separating xchat-common from xchat |
| 16:31.35 | AntiG | great |
| 16:31.39 | AntiG | thanks for all at all |
| 16:31.59 | AntiG | see you the next time ( i think tomorrow) |
| 16:32.02 | AntiG | by ^^ |
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| 16:36.36 | LinuxHelp | I'm getting a diversion error, dpkg is telling me that that one packages diversion |
| 16:36.45 | LinuxHelp | is clashing with another package |
| 16:37.00 | LinuxHelp | So firstly, what is a diversion? |
| 16:37.22 | LinuxHelp | !diversion |
| 16:39.47 | wols_ | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-diversions.html |
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| 16:42.10 | LinuxHelp | yay for text mode www |
| 16:42.23 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: which browser? |
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| 16:42.29 | LinuxHelp | elinks |
| 16:42.34 | tarzeau | there exist graphical browsers without X |
| 16:42.50 | LinuxHelp | o really? |
| 16:43.11 | tarzeau | yes links2 (with svgalib and/or framebuffer) |
| 16:43.18 | tarzeau | (try -g) |
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| 16:44.40 | linnuxxy | could anyone point me to a howto ro tutorial for using apt-zip please? |
| 16:44.57 | LinuxHelp | !apt-zip |
| 16:44.57 | dpkg | apt-zip is probably Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
| 16:46.37 | rokstar | with Xorg files like r_200_dri.so have been removed, how can i use free ATI drivers with DRI with xorg on debian? |
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| 16:46.52 | LinuxHelp | darn it, that stupid links2 messaed up my display, now I cant even see this text |
| 16:47.26 | tarzeau | must've been fb on i386 |
| 16:47.33 | tarzeau | because svgalib works perfectly |
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| 16:47.39 | tarzeau | (an fb works great on non-i386) |
| 16:48.19 | jetscreamer | reset |
| 16:48.25 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: won't help |
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| 16:48.29 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 16:48.44 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: i believe it's some linux fb bug |
| 16:48.51 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: linux fb sucks anyways (at least on i386) |
| 16:49.05 | linnuxxy | can i make repositpry CD... with selected packages... I mean i need a specific packages regularly... can i build a CD which could be used with apt? |
| 16:49.18 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 16:49.27 | jetscreamer | i don't know how but i know it can be done |
| 16:49.31 | jetscreamer | !repository |
| 16:49.32 | dpkg | i heard debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
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| 16:54.42 | MeroSrev | ph00 is a paedophile using freenet! |
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| 16:55.01 | Kevin` | that was rather cleaver though |
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| 16:55.06 | shay | MeroSrev, retarded |
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| 16:55.11 | tarzeau | 18:53 -MeroSrev:#debian- Somebody has sent you a message, to read it type: /server read 1 |
| 16:55.15 | LinuxHelp | !simple sid |
| 16:55.16 | shay | !ops MeroSrev is trolling |
| 16:55.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: shay complains about: MeroSrev is trolling |
| 16:55.18 | tarzeau | what asshole was that? |
| 16:55.28 | LinuxHelp | !simple sid backport |
| 16:55.29 | dpkg | methinks simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 16:55.36 | tarzeau | MeroSrev: FUCK OFF |
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| 16:55.56 | ph00 | would some channel operator please kcik that merosrev troll? |
| 16:56.10 | shay | thanks Rez |
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| 16:58.13 | jvm | hi; i want to mount an encrypted loop-aes device. if i do that, i've to type in the encryption password. how can i read this password out of a file? i tried to pass it with "echo pw | mount ..." but didn't work |
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| 16:59.22 | peterS | ehh.. |
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| 16:59.43 | webfreak | ... |
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| 17:00.02 | webfreak | who was that? |
| 17:00.13 | peterS | he goes by N1ckSrev and similar aliases |
| 17:00.20 | webfreak | ahh. |
| 17:00.32 | peterS | and sends a /notice to the channel telling users we have a new message posted and should use "/server read 1" to read it |
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| 17:00.44 | peterS | this command happens to disconnect you because /server changes the server name you're connected to |
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| 17:00.57 | webfreak | yeah, heh |
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| 17:01.12 | webfreak | what a dork |
| 17:01.27 | webfreak | anyway, back to coding |
| 17:01.35 | Kevin` | if only he thought to have it connect to a valid server impersonating freenode :) |
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| 17:03.20 | section31 | how do I jump to the top of the file in vi |
| 17:03.42 | wols_ | ttyfscker: please don't invite other people randomly to your pet channel |
| 17:04.23 | marculix | section31: :1 |
| 17:04.24 | peterS | section31: I just use '1G' |
| 17:04.38 | section31 | tahnks |
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| 17:05.44 | MatBoy | !nvidia one-liner |
| 17:05.44 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 17:07.53 | rogier | Can somebody point me to a good howto/guide on alsa configuration in debian. Everything loads fine, but I want to configure which card gets loaded first an becomes the default. |
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| 17:10.42 | ph00 | matboy: I tried that on etch: couldn't even start X. I'm stuck with the free "nv" drivers |
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| 17:11.11 | MatBoy | ph00, I had it running, I'm reinstalling my system... let me get back to you ! |
| 17:13.03 | ph00 | btw I'm not running xserver-xfree86 any more, it switched to some other xserver when I did dist-upgrade |
| 17:13.19 | ph00 | and the #nvidia channel was all like "rtfm" |
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| 17:13.50 | ph00 | but OK, it's not that important right now: I can use the machine, only no advanced graphic games |
| 17:13.55 | arisv | any ideas on this: http://pastebin.ca/173153 |
| 17:14.01 | arisv | thanks in advance |
| 17:14.38 | ttyfscker | wols_:: "pet"? |
| 17:14.51 | jetscreamer | that would be xorg btw |
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| 17:15.18 | jetscreamer | and the nvidia .run will work fine... |
| 17:16.49 | ph00 | I couldn't run flightgear. and yes it's xorg |
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| 17:19.33 | MatBoy | does someone know about this ? do In need to apt-get install the unstalble Key ? W: GPG error: http://people.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available |
| 17:20.08 | MatBoy | jetscreamer, ^^I think this can be one for you |
| 17:20.59 | RichiH_ | !2006 key |
| 17:20.59 | dpkg | methinks 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 17:21.38 | jetscreamer | as seen in /topic |
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| 17:23.36 | Hoxzer | http://pastebin.ca/173161 <- :( this is killing me |
| 17:24.09 | Hoxzer | there is that "." in front of the path is it somekind of bug or? |
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| 17:26.02 | MatBoy | jetscreamer, ah, than I found the right one on Google :) |
| 17:28.53 | wols_ | Hoxzer: probably a bug. "cd /;apt-get install xserver-xorg-core" |
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| 17:30.39 | Hoxzer | wols_: that leaves me to system root |
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| 17:31.14 | wols_ | but it should make ./usr/lib/... work |
| 17:31.21 | positron_ | How can I make an image of my current filesystem and recover it whenever I want? |
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| 17:32.17 | MatBoy | Mhh, the onlu thing I get with the nvidia-onliner = Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed! How do.... balbalbalblabla |
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| 17:33.34 | Hoxzer | wols_: well I dont think it did |
| 17:33.45 | magyar | is horde on etch borken? |
| 17:34.12 | magyar | can't seem to login from any browser except IE6 |
| 17:34.31 | wols_ | would be a very curious breakage :) |
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| 17:35.49 | magyar | i know, I was shocked to see it |
| 17:35.54 | Janne_Doe | hi everyone |
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| 17:36.10 | pizdets | how do you stop gdm from loading automatically |
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| 17:36.21 | Hoxzer | wols_: how can I install older version of it? |
| 17:36.35 | magyar | wols_: followed the README.Debian.gz to the word |
| 17:37.18 | Janne_Doe | uhm I need some help to run xfce, well i have installed xfce4 by "apt-get install xfce4". All worked fine but when I start xfce I have juste the background and nothing else... no panel, no shortcuts to run terminals etc |
| 17:37.19 | wols_ | no clue. never used horde myself. I use squirrelmail |
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| 17:37.40 | wols_ | Janne_Doe: how does your mousepointer look? |
| 17:37.50 | Janne_Doe | the mouse pointer move |
| 17:38.04 | wols_ | Hoxzer: the trouble is to get the older version's deb. installing it is easy via dpkg |
| 17:38.13 | Janne_Doe | but I have nothing else, I must restart X to quit |
| 17:38.19 | wols_ | Janne_Doe: I didn't ask that. how does it look? is it a cross? |
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| 17:38.44 | OleMoudi | I installed a xgl .deb created from a .rpm with alien, and now I'm trying to remove it but dpkg fails at exec of post-removal script. I tried --force-remove-reinstreq. I can't upgrade or install anything since apt-get exits when trying to remove xgl package |
| 17:39.04 | Janne_Doe | ah, he is narmal.... just a pointer |
| 17:39.10 | Janne_Doe | normal* |
| 17:39.25 | wols_ | OleMoudi: first. NEVER ever use alien to make packages. it's fine for making .tgz out of anything but nothing else |
| 17:40.23 | OleMoudi | wols_, it's good to know |
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| 17:41.08 | wols_ | OleMoudi: go to /var/lib/dpkg. make a copy of "status" for backup |
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| 17:41.12 | Janne_Doe | uh sorry -he +it |
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| 17:41.32 | wols_ | then edit it and the line named "Status" for the package. change it so it's not installed anymore |
| 17:42.02 | wols_ | that _should_ make it look like it's not installed (hopefully) |
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| 17:42.52 | wols_ | you could also make a dummy post-removal script for it |
| 17:42.58 | wols_ | or look at the script is has there |
| 17:43.00 | OleMoudi | wols_, like: "Status: purge ok not-installed" ? |
| 17:43.23 | wols_ | something like that |
| 17:43.30 | wols_ | but first look into /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 17:43.39 | wols_ | look for a *glx*.postrm |
| 17:43.45 | wols_ | maybe make a dummy one if it's not there |
| 17:43.45 | MatBoy | Can I just install the nvidia one-liner when I get the rivafb error ? |
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| 17:43.59 | wols_ | always better to work in a "debian way(tm)" |
| 17:44.16 | wols_ | MatBoy: what is the rivafb error? |
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| 17:44.25 | OleMoudi | wols_, ok, thanks man |
| 17:44.32 | wols_ | MatBoy: you _can_ use the nvidia installer.run package too btw, even if it's not endorsed |
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| 17:45.28 | MatBoy | wols_, ah OK :) I was using the unstable sources of Robert ? here it is: Your kernel was configured to include rivafb support! |
| 17:45.40 | MatBoy | wols_, I have checked most... no rivafb |
| 17:46.04 | cinix | I'm using gnome-volume-manager+udev+hal, which mounts my cdrom automatically to /media/[cdrom name]. I'd like to symlink it to /media/cdrom so I can use it in other applications like wine. What makes the folder, gvm,udev, or hal? |
| 17:46.30 | Hoxzer | wols_: ok, it is not ... a bug I just tested it with 1.0.2-10 |
| 17:46.38 | webfreak | cinix: look in /etc/fstab for the location it mounts to |
| 17:46.45 | wols_ | MatBoy: from google. you can build the driver, but you can't run it with that support still loaded in the kernel |
| 17:46.49 | webfreak | cinix: you can change it there |
| 17:46.50 | MatBoy | wols_, it only sees this: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2/drivers/video/riva....... I thinnk it's falling over it |
| 17:47.01 | cinix | webfreak: I don't have any entries in fstab, I just let those programs handle it |
| 17:47.21 | cinix | I had them, but gvm wouldn't take over while they were there with any options I tried |
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| 17:47.24 | MatBoy | wols_, OK, but I able to reconfigure it from now isn't it ? |
| 17:47.41 | MatBoy | I'm (mE hates the windows way of typing now !!) |
| 17:47.46 | wols_ | reconfigure what? kernel or nvidia driver? |
| 17:47.52 | MatBoy | wols_, kernel-image |
| 17:48.04 | webfreak | cinix: /dev/hdd /media/cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 17:48.10 | wols_ | reconfigure, re make-kpkg and you're good to go, yes |
| 17:48.13 | webfreak | cinix: that's the one i have, it worked for me when i had gnome installed |
| 17:48.22 | cinix | okay I'll try that, brb |
| 17:48.51 | wols_ | the option is CONFIG_FB_RIVA btw |
| 17:48.52 | webfreak | cinix: (change the device if necessary) |
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| 17:49.00 | Bushmills | cinix: are you looking for a way to mount cdrom automatically without gnome volume manager? |
| 17:49.15 | MatBoy | wols_, where do I have to reconfigure it now ? I quite new with the kernel-images from last week :) I was running on a old and decent 2.6.15 :p |
| 17:49.19 | webfreak | Bushmills: from what i read gvm actually wasn't automounting it |
| 17:49.20 | Bushmills | cinix: or is it ok with you to give the command to mount the cdrom? |
| 17:49.36 | xsdg | there's a host that's hitting ssh (trying passwords) that I want to block. I put "ALL: (ip addy)" in hosts.deny, but I'm still seeing things in auth.log. what am I doing wrong? |
| 17:49.44 | wols_ | MatBoy: you need a kernel source for this. as I said: if rivafb is not a module, you need a kernel recompile |
| 17:50.03 | cinix | it mounts everything automatically fine. it just makes a new folder in /media with the title of the cdrom, which makes it hard to configure programs to use |
| 17:50.03 | Bushmills | webfreak: 'k. am not sure what he want... symlinks can be set without the drive being mounted |
| 17:50.11 | webfreak | Bushmills: yeah. |
| 17:50.21 | cinix | but they can't be set without knowing what the fodler name is, which is depending on the title of the cdrom |
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| 17:50.34 | MatBoy | wols_, I have searched the /boot/kernel-that-im-running config-file... but I have seen no rivafb |
| 17:50.35 | webfreak | cinix: so when the cdrom is mounted, create the link |
| 17:50.38 | cinix | :-P |
| 17:51.03 | webfreak | cinix: the symlink will remain when the cdrom is unmounted (it just won't point to anything) |
| 17:51.03 | MatBoy | wols_, how can I be sure it's a module ? |
| 17:51.03 | webfreak | iirc |
| 17:51.04 | cinix | but it won't work for a different cd |
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| 17:51.09 | cinix | because it'll have a different name |
| 17:51.20 | wols_ | MatBoy: check your .config for the kernel. it's in /boot |
| 17:51.20 | webfreak | cinix: it creates the directory based on the cd's actual name? |
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| 17:51.30 | cinix | uhh huh. I thought it was weird too |
| 17:51.37 | MatBoy | wols_, I will search on riva again :) |
| 17:51.50 | webfreak | cinix: i think if you put an actual entry in fstab it will just mount the cdrom device there like it's supposed to |
| 17:51.50 | wols_ | search on "RIVA". linux is case sensitive |
| 17:51.55 | webfreak | cinix: did the line i gave you work? |
| 17:52.18 | MatBoy | wols_, # CONFIG_FB_RIVA is not set |
| 17:52.24 | cinix | I'll have to log out to check, brb |
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| 17:52.35 | webfreak | you shouldn't have to log out |
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| 17:53.13 | MatBoy | wols_, so it should fail because it sees it as a module |
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| 17:53.24 | wols_ | ,AhrAsyL then ther shouldn't be any problem.. anyways: compiling the drivers should wrok, just maybe not running them |
| 17:53.49 | wols_ | if it's a module you can check with lsmod if it's loaded |
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| 17:54.09 | elton | hi everybody |
| 17:54.25 | elton | is this chan german or english? |
| 17:54.30 | webfreak | xsdg: ALL: ipaddr should work in hosts.deny |
| 17:54.34 | webfreak | elton: english |
| 17:54.37 | elton | kk |
| 17:54.51 | Bushmills | elton: as you see, everybody speaks german here |
| 17:54.58 | elton | hehe |
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| 17:55.02 | elton | very good |
| 17:55.07 | xsdg | webfreak: that's what I'd expect. any ideas what to check? |
| 17:55.20 | MatBoy | wols_, nothing there, only here: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2-686-smp/include/config/fb/riva.h |
| 17:55.20 | MatBoy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.21 | elton | i've a problem with my router and iptables |
| 17:55.23 | wols_ | !de |
| 17:55.23 | dpkg | i heard de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 17:55.24 | webfreak | xsdg: you could try sshd: ipaddr instead. |
| 17:55.30 | MatBoy | !nl :) |
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| 17:55.42 | elton | i want to open port 1149 upd to wan but iptables don't want |
| 17:55.50 | webfreak | xsdg: you might also look at the denyhosts package |
| 17:55.59 | elton | ## -- Server Deamon OpenVPN |
| 17:55.59 | elton | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.00 | elton | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.03 | elton | thats my rule |
| 17:56.07 | MatBoy | wols_, what do you think ? I think it only sees it in the kernel-headers |
| 17:56.10 | wols_ | MatBoy: you're not supposed to look for files. you're supposed to look inside config-2.6.17 for "RIVA" |
| 17:56.12 | webfreak | xsdg: it scans auth.log for hack attempts and blocks any more than whatever failed attempts you tell it to |
| 17:56.22 | wols_ | MatBoy: I doubt it |
| 17:56.26 | MatBoy | wols_, I already posted that |
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| 17:56.38 | MatBoy | wols_, wols_, # CONFIG_FB_RIVA is not set |
| 17:56.40 | Bushmills | elton, add an ACCEPT to table INPUT |
| 17:56.42 | MatBoy | oops :)_ |
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| 17:57.20 | elton | Bushmills how? |
| 17:57.21 | Bushmills | elton, ehm, you intend to NAT to the vpn server? |
| 17:57.31 | sparr | digikam suggests udev, but installing udev wants to remove hotplug... should i be worried? |
| 17:57.32 | elton | no i only want to open the port |
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| 17:57.41 | Bushmills | elton, why NAT? |
| 17:57.41 | elton | the vpn server is the same maschine |
| 17:57.50 | elton | becaus i was the sample conf ^^ |
| 17:57.55 | wols_ | elton: then you don't need the first line |
| 17:57.58 | webfreak | you shouldn't need the first line |
| 17:57.59 | elton | ok |
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| 17:58.29 | Bushmills | elton: nat alone doesn't work, you need to change a bit in openvpn server conf for clients NAT clients. |
| 17:58.33 | MatBoy | wols_, got that line now ? |
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| 17:58.53 | wols_ | MatBoy: yes |
| 17:59.12 | MatBoy | wols_, and what it your opinion ? I think I save |
| 17:59.15 | cinix | webfreak: that fstab line did fix it. thanks |
| 17:59.16 | MatBoy | safe |
| 17:59.19 | wols_ | MatBoy: anyways, riva_fb is not your problem.yet. THe compilation will work with riva_fb loaded. so you waste your time |
| 17:59.22 | elton | hey bushmill can you scan my port udp 1149? |
| 17:59.22 | elton | ip: 83.129.24.31 |
| 17:59.34 | MatBoy | wols_, hehe.. yes I read that somewhere :) |
| 17:59.36 | MatBoy | thanks ! |
| 17:59.36 | elton | if its realy open |
| 17:59.39 | Bushmills | elton, you probably want iptables -I INPUT 1 --dport 1149 -p udp -j ACCEPT |
| 17:59.45 | MatBoy | wols_, so just continue :) |
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| 17:59.59 | wols_ | MatBoy: continue with what? |
| 18:00.15 | MatBoy | wols_, installation with the one-liner :) |
| 18:00.29 | amphi | Bushmills: AFAIK stuff matched by PREROUTING rules does not traverse the INPUT chain |
| 18:00.30 | xsdg | webfreak: /win 14 |
| 18:00.33 | elton | i dont know i only know what i want but iptables is not my friend i'm not using it very often |
| 18:00.34 | xsdg | err... nm |
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| 18:00.51 | Bushmills | amphi: but the NAT rules is not meant to be there |
| 18:01.06 | Bushmills | amphi: i understood that's a rule on the vpn server |
| 18:01.16 | elton | but the same as in sample (my version with nat works with tcp port 22) |
| 18:01.26 | elton | so why not with udp 1149 |
| 18:02.17 | amphi | Bushmills: ok |
| 18:02.49 | Bushmills | elton, no idea why not. if this is the server, get rid of NAT. simply open udp port 1194 in the INPUT table |
| 18:03.08 | wols_ | MatBoy: or try the nvidia installer pakcage without m-a |
| 18:03.28 | wols_ | Bushmills: he might have that server act as NAT router too |
| 18:03.32 | elton | ok but iptables dont like you command ^^ |
| 18:03.47 | elton | root@OpenWrt:/www/cgi-bin/webif# /etc/init.d/S45firewall |
| 18:03.47 | elton | iptables v1.3.3: Unknown arg `--dport' |
| 18:03.47 | elton | Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information. |
| 18:03.47 | Bushmills | wols, still, not need to NAT vpn packages |
| 18:03.49 | MatBoy | wols_, m-a ? |
| 18:03.59 | wols_ | !m-a |
| 18:03.59 | dpkg | somebody said module-assistant was a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:04.09 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.15 | Bushmills | or -I INPUT 1 |
| 18:04.19 | elton | ok thx |
| 18:04.28 | wols_ | Bushmills: since he already has a firewall scrip, -I is much better |
| 18:04.46 | wols_ | elton: use -I INPUT 1 |
| 18:04.55 | Bushmills | wols, well, i was pasting from my own config, just to avoid typos |
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| 18:05.30 | MatBoy | wols_, can be done indeed |
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| 18:08.25 | elton | kk i will do so |
| 18:08.46 | MatBoy | wols_, what would be missing when install it without m-a ? |
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| 18:10.25 | anapivirtua | Pom Pom Pom² |
| 18:12.27 | MatBoy | anapivirtua, Pi Dom Pi Dom TADA !!! |
| 18:12.47 | anapivirtua | :) |
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| 18:14.02 | MatBoy | :p |
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| 18:17.41 | magyar | i have a etch install, when kernel upgrade is performed, update-grub is not being executed |
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| 18:18.15 | Madeye | which mail server package would be the best to manage multi-domain and multi user (and non system users) emails on sarge |
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| 18:19.03 | wols_ | there is no "best". a good startingpoint is to look at exim and postfix |
| 18:19.26 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:19.27 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:19.27 | wols_ | and this howto: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/index.shtml |
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| 18:21.22 | cahoot | magyar: might be a setting in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 18:23.36 | robin_sz | sadly, I had to refer to an Ubuntu howto .... how embarrassing. |
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| 18:24.12 | amphi | robin_sz: heh |
| 18:24.24 | muhri | sup |
| 18:24.40 | pizdets | how do you stop gdm from loading automatically? i want to start x manually |
| 18:25.06 | blondie | you could remove the script for /etc/init.d/ |
| 18:25.22 | blondie | dunno if that's the "proper" way though |
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| 18:27.46 | cahoot | pizdets: try /msg dpkg nodm |
| 18:28.00 | biopyte | pizdets: cant you just remove gdm? |
| 18:28.25 | magyar | cahoot: well i read about "/sbin/update-grub" needs to be changed, but the note said that it should work until the final release |
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| 18:30.35 | cahoot | magyar: then you're better informed than me |
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| 18:31.08 | MatBoy | what was the better option to install a nvidia-driver to ecth ? |
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| 18:32.39 | tolecnal | blondie: the correct way would be to go into each rcN.d directory, and rename the symbolic links from SXXgdm to KXXgdm |
| 18:32.48 | blondie | I see |
| 18:32.57 | tolecnal | where N is the runlevel, and XX the priority |
| 18:33.17 | wols_ | tolecnal: isn't there update-rc.d for that? |
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| 18:33.43 | wols_ | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing? |
| 18:33.43 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 18:34.18 | wols_ | MatBoy: one suggestion that's often given is to use the sid version |
| 18:34.32 | tolecnal | wols_: update-rc.d is for adding or removing startup scripts, not to update them.. :) it's strange to name it update-rc.d, when it doesn't actually upgrade.. just read the man page for update-rc.d |
| 18:34.40 | MatBoy | wols_, I'm trying to install that one |
| 18:35.16 | MatBoy | wols_, still that riva-problem... can't figure it out :S |
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| 18:35.49 | MatBoy | wols_, following google, this could be a problem CONFIG_IPV6_PRIVACY=y but I doubt it |
| 18:36.17 | wols_ | why do you care about that riva problem again? |
| 18:37.22 | MatBoy | wols_, problem is that the installer is not going further |
| 18:37.36 | MatBoy | wols_, it will not continue |
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| 18:38.25 | tolecnal | it only refuses to continue if that module is loaded? |
| 18:38.40 | tolecnal | at least, that's how it used to react |
| 18:38.45 | blondie | !Pdiff |
| 18:38.45 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 18:38.59 | blondie | hm |
| 18:39.25 | MatBoy | tolecnal, itÅ› not loaded... that is the problem |
| 18:39.36 | wols_ | MatBoy: can you paste you lsmod output? |
| 18:39.55 | MatBoy | wols_, #flood |
| 18:40.33 | blondie | dr_yargh: do you mind? |
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| 18:41.32 | MatBoy | wols_, or pastebin ? |
| 18:41.43 | MatBoy | wols_, flood is faster |
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| 18:43.19 | talljon84 | What is the actual kernel naming convention for Debian? I can find the image and header images but what about the kernel itself? I know ubuntu refers to it as "linux-686". |
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| 18:43.45 | wols_ | tolecnal: depends if you're on stable or sarge |
| 18:43.54 | wols_ | erm, stanle or testing |
| 18:44.22 | wols_ | or what do you mean with "kernel itself"? |
| 18:44.24 | sparr | Can anyone recommend any sort of GUI app that will simplify mounting my usb storage devices (thumb drive, sd card reader, usb_storage devices, etc) and moving files on/off them? off the sd cards in particular, so i can get pictures from my camera |
| 18:44.52 | MatBoy | wols_, here you go: http://pastebin.ca/173239 |
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| 18:46.05 | talljon84 | wols_: I want to use the 686 build version instead of the standard 2.6 386 build. I grabbed the image and header files but don't I need a third package that contains the kernel and all its modules? |
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| 18:47.04 | biloti | sparr: in gnome you can turn on automatic mounting of "removable" media in preferences menu. I use gthumb will be called to download your photos as soon as you plug your camera. |
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| 18:49.03 | ShortY | How can I reconfigure my netwerk on Debian sarge?? |
| 18:49.11 | vulture | ShortY: man 5 interfaces |
| 18:49.27 | MatBoy | wols_, still there ? |
| 18:49.32 | ShortY | Isn't there another tool, because I don't really understand it.. |
| 18:49.34 | talljon84 | ShortY: network settings are stored in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:49.40 | ShortY | I know |
| 18:49.49 | ShortY | Is there something like in the Sarge setup? |
| 18:50.03 | talljon84 | there's etherconf if you have installed it |
| 18:50.19 | ShortY | Ok ty, ill try it out now |
| 18:50.46 | biloti | sparr: take a look at http://linux.togaware.com/survivor/Using_Gnome_Volume_Manager.html |
| 18:51.21 | pizdets | what's a good windows manager for a computer with very little ram? |
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| 18:51.45 | muhri | pizdets: metacity |
| 18:51.59 | ShortY | pizdets, try fluxbox, enlightment or icewm |
| 18:52.24 | amphi | pizdets: or openbox |
| 18:52.28 | ShortY | indeed |
| 18:52.41 | amphi | pizdets: or ion3 ;) |
| 18:52.41 | sparr | biloti: what does gthumb use to interface with the camera? libgphoto doesnt support my camera yet :( |
| 18:52.58 | wols_ | talljon84: the image file already has kernel and modules |
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| 18:53.27 | wols_ | pizdets: blackbox, fluxbox |
| 18:53.27 | talljon84 | wols_: so if I have installed the image file, why wouldn't grub load it as an option to boot from? |
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| 18:54.03 | wols_ | talljon84: cause the installer fscked up the menu.lst? I dunno. check /boot if the new kernel image is there |
| 18:54.20 | talljon84 | wols_: it's not |
| 18:54.21 | biloti | sparr: that could be a problem... gthumb employs libgphoto. Don't yout camera suport accting like a usb storage? |
| 18:54.27 | wols_ | MatBoy: can you paste the exact error from the nvidia installer? and which versin of nvidia drivre do you use? |
| 18:54.41 | sparr | biloti: unfortunately it seems not |
| 18:54.44 | wols_ | talljon84: what file did you install exactly? and from where? |
| 18:54.45 | sparr | even if i cant use the camera directly, something to detect my sd card would be nice... i might switch to gnome just for that |
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| 18:55.26 | MatBoy | wols_, I get everything from deb http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia unstable. I will make a pastbin for you |
| 18:55.33 | talljon84 | wols_: nm. i wasn't reading the prompt correctly. dpkg has installed it now |
| 18:55.53 | wols_ | MatBoy: that didn't answer my question |
| 18:56.20 | wols_ | especially not the 2nd |
| 18:56.20 | MatBoy | wols_, I can;t check it there.. I thought I used the SID before... so I will try that first |
| 18:56.32 | wols_ | can't check where what? |
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| 18:58.29 | MatBoy | wols_, http://pastebin.ca/173256 here is the pastebin |
| 18:59.12 | MatBoy | wols_, I have had it installed before, my system crashed because of a mdadm bug that could not be solved. But I thought I installed it from SID before |
| 18:59.14 | biloti | sparr: so I would say you have a problem... :-( |
| 18:59.40 | wols_ | MatBoy: your problem is probably not the rivafb thing. your problem is a missing gcc |
| 18:59.55 | wols_ | â ./conftest.sh: line 19: gcc-4.0: command not found |
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| 18:59.59 | MatBoy | wols_, is it ? I have checked the GCC and GCC+ |
| 19:00.14 | MatBoy | wols_, ah OK :) I thought it was normal :P |
| 19:00.34 | wols_ | no. missing compilers whne you want to compile something are rarely normal... |
| 19:00.45 | sparr | biloti: i dont mind having to take the sd card out of the camera and put it in the pc... the annoying part is having to go mount the sd card, then manually copy files off it |
| 19:01.18 | MatBoy | wols_, hehe indeed :) |
| 19:01.23 | MatBoy | I will install gcc-4 :) |
| 19:02.05 | biloti | sparr: gnome-volume-manager takes care of mounting it for you. |
| 19:02.16 | MatBoy | wols_, worked better indeed ;) thanks ! |
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| 19:02.56 | kingsley | Which command line tool can convert a series of jpg images into an animated gif image? |
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| 19:03.54 | ayaz | i created a boot-cd image, using bootcd2disk, of a system that does not use devfs (instead, uses udev). but, booting the boot-cd image yields a "mount: mount cannot mount devfs on devfs: .." error immediately after loading initrd.img. any ideas why is it looking for devfs? |
| 19:03.59 | pizdets | hollar |
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| 19:04.02 | pizdets | yo wut up PEEPS |
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| 19:05.29 | ShortY | tytytytyttytytyt |
| 19:05.32 | ShortY | now i get lost |
| 19:05.34 | wols_ | ayaz: cause your initrd probably has devfs stuff in it |
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| 19:05.52 | ayaz | wols_: the same initrd boots ok on the system. |
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| 19:06.13 | sparr | biloti: thanks... ive been a long time kde fan, but im tempted to switch just for that one feature |
| 19:07.36 | ayaz | the fact that the same initrd boots OK on the system, but not when booting the CD image of the *same* system, makes it more confusing. |
| 19:07.48 | ayaz | i'm not sure the bootcd2disk utility is at fault here. |
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| 19:08.57 | biloti | I have made this choice long time ago and I am really happy with gnome now. good luck |
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| 19:14.05 | MatBoy | where can I find xserver-common (>= 4.0.3) ? I thought it was a non-free ? |
| 19:14.20 | azeem | non-free? |
| 19:14.58 | azeem | MatBoy: even oldstable has 4.1.0-16woody7 |
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| 19:15.18 | MatBoy | azeem, nvidia-glx needs it |
| 19:15.38 | azeem | so install it? |
| 19:15.50 | MatBoy | azeem, can't be installed :S |
| 19:15.55 | azeem | it's not in testing, though |
| 19:16.05 | azeem | oh right, it's obsolete |
| 19:16.09 | azeem | get a better nvidia-glx |
| 19:16.23 | MatBoy | azeem, I get it from instable, SID |
| 19:16.33 | azeem | then wait for a better nvidia-glx |
| 19:17.11 | MatBoy | azeem, what's that kind of reason ? |
| 19:17.19 | azeem | MatBoy: hrmm? |
| 19:17.27 | azeem | the nvidia-glx in unstable depends on x11-common |
| 19:17.38 | azeem | MatBoy: maybe run apt-get updateß |
| 19:17.39 | MatBoy | azeem, yes, so ? |
| 19:17.39 | azeem | ? |
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| 19:17.47 | azeem | MatBoy: well,what's the problem? |
| 19:18.02 | wols_ | MatBoy: you did not get it from unstable. you got it from an unofficial source according to your sources.list line |
| 19:18.03 | MatBoy | azeem, the problem is that my Etch will become SID than :S |
| 19:18.12 | azeem | MatBoy: hrm? |
| 19:18.19 | MatBoy | azeem, oops |
| 19:18.20 | MatBoy | nope |
| 19:18.30 | MatBoy | damn... I also posted that before somewhere that it was a fix |
| 19:18.36 | MatBoy | azeem, you are right :) |
| 19:19.28 | MatBoy | azeem, I can safely upgrade when I have SID in the sources ? |
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| 19:21.44 | MatBoy | azeem, also another idea ? |
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| 19:24.07 | ofer0 | !ati |
| 19:24.08 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for sid see <fglrx>, or http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/share/kernel/fglrx-driver |
| 19:24.16 | ofer0 | !fglrx |
| 19:24.16 | dpkg | fglrx is, like, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), but it's in sid only, not in etch, or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 19:24.17 | g3brown | Using 3.1 (sarge) should the bios pnp os be on or off? |
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| 19:26.13 | wols_ | g3brown: on is ok |
| 19:26.38 | g3brown | wols_: thanks, thats what I though. just having some troubles with a nic |
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| 19:28.10 | thanksjack | I'm getting a "smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts" error on my attempt to mount from fstab, am I missing a package? |
| 19:28.26 | thanksjack | when I sudo it it works |
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| 19:30.50 | dendrite | thanksjack: Probably not missing a package. |
| 19:31.15 | dendrite | thanksjack: What part of the error message is not completely clear to you? |
| 19:32.20 | webfreak | !tell thanksjack about setuid |
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| 19:32.55 | goetter | anyone know how i can install alsaplayer without installing the x windows system (which apt-get seems to want to install as well)? |
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| 19:33.41 | MatBoy | Why is there no default way anymore for the nvidia one-liner than ? It seems that just not works :( |
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| 19:36.25 | MatBoy | ah, done it again with my old sources.list :) |
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| 19:39.54 | MatBoy | in which package is lspci ? |
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| 19:40.10 | streuner | !tell MatBoy about search |
| 19:40.44 | MatBoy | streuner, I was already googeling ;) |
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| 19:41.37 | streuner | no need for google |
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| 19:42.35 | tarzeau | pciutils ? |
| 19:42.38 | Piero | I have a strange problem. I know root password, but with an user I type "su" command, and then root password, shell says me always that password is wrong |
| 19:42.40 | g3brown | Looking to prevent looping login attempts to vsftp on sarge. I did some diggin on the net and a few people suggested using portsentry. Is that best/good way to go? |
| 19:42.46 | Piero | can I ask you any suggest please? |
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| 19:44.13 | deceptacon | hey i just installed debian, flavor sarge through a netinst cd. I proceeded to install Debian with a desktop environment. I remember putting in vesa in some option. After the installation process finished, the screen looked all messed up, I tried ctrl alt backspace to get to the prompt, but x keeps starting up repeatedly into a black grey/green static sort of screen even after pressing ctrl-alt-backspace. Please advise |
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| 19:44.44 | wols_ | press ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 19:44.55 | onweald_tim | Bash question: I am piping output to sed and want to prepend each line with the contents of a variable. |
| 19:44.58 | INIT07 | which graphic hw do u have? |
| 19:45.02 | onweald_tim | The problem is the variable will have "/dev/sda" or something similar. |
| 19:45.02 | wols_ | log in, then stop your display manager (which display manager do you use?) |
| 19:45.09 | onweald_tim | I have tried results="cat x | sed -e 's@^@$MYVAR@g'" but sed complains unknown command in character 1. |
| 19:45.24 | onweald_tim | It works from the command line but not from a bash script. |
| 19:45.35 | jonaskoelker | I'm trying to install debian on my girlfriend's box. So far I've booted the install via PXE. It tries to configure the network with DHCP, but that fails. I would guess my DHCP server is correctly set up, since it works with knoppix and WinXP running on my girlfriend's box, but not the install system. Checking the syslog on the server, I see lots of DHCPDISCOVER and DHCPOFFER. How do I make the installer actually accept the OFFER? |
| 19:45.37 | onweald_tim | Can someone point me to what is probably obvious? |
| 19:45.43 | deceptacon | wols_ i think its gdm (i havent been able to access the system because of this problem) |
| 19:46.02 | deceptacon | i have ssh access, i can tell you what my settings are if you can help me fix up my display |
| 19:46.07 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.10 | zamolxes | onweald_tim: use doublequotes in order to interpolate variables |
| 19:46.20 | wols_ | that stops X. then |
| 19:46.22 | wols_ | !drxx |
| 19:46.22 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 19:46.28 | wols_ | what videocard do you have? |
| 19:46.44 | deceptacon | i dont really know. its a dell optiplex |
| 19:46.47 | deceptacon | pretty old |
| 19:46.55 | onweald_tim | zamolxes: I have double quotes around the assignment to results. The line in my script is: results="cat x | sed -e 's@^@$MYVAR@g'" |
| 19:46.56 | wols_ | lspci -v should tell you |
| 19:47.02 | tarzeau | deceptacon: pretty old? |
| 19:47.19 | tarzeau | deceptacon: sure not before 1994, is it? |
| 19:47.28 | deceptacon | VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82815 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 04) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 19:47.39 | deceptacon | tarzeau im not entirely sure |
| 19:47.42 | wols_ | i810 driver then |
| 19:47.47 | onweald_tim | zamolxes: Do I need to use double quotes and escape them? e.g. results="cat x | sed -e \"s@^@$MYVAR@g\" " |
| 19:47.49 | Covener | onweald_tim: how come not $(cat ...) or `cat ...` |
| 19:47.52 | deceptacon | i can look up the system specs online if i can find it via google |
| 19:47.54 | tarzeau | deceptacon: you could run ree and check the dates of the rom files |
| 19:47.57 | INIT07 | modify vesa to i810 in /etc/X11/XF86config-4 |
| 19:48.03 | tarzeau | deceptacon: i've got a sparc classic here, the cpu reads 1991 |
| 19:48.16 | Covener | onweald_tim: nothing there telling bash to execute anything, just a quoted string AFAICT |
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| 19:48.21 | wols_ | do not modify. it will break your config. use dpkg-reconfigure instead |
| 19:48.25 | onweald_tim | Covener: Crap... That is what I get for trying to translate a long string of code into one something simple. |
| 19:48.43 | deceptacon | INIT07, that file does not exist |
| 19:48.47 | onweald_tim | Covener: My code is much longer but boils down to results=`cat x | sed -e 's@^@$MYVAR@g' ` |
| 19:48.58 | deceptacon | tarzeau, i dont follow |
| 19:49.02 | onweald_tim | So that would make sense to use the double quotes |
| 19:49.03 | wols_ | deceptacon: it doesn't matter. you must use dpkg-reconfigure anyways as dpkg told you |
| 19:49.16 | Covener | onweald_tim: single quote in sed is the killer there |
| 19:49.31 | wols_ | INIT07: it's a bad idea to tell people to edit the X config file. very bad |
| 19:49.43 | zamolxes | onweald_tim: you should try a good bash manual, eh? |
| 19:49.58 | onweald_tim | Covener: Any hints |
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| 19:50.07 | INIT07 | wols_ editing x config is as simple as walking across the park ;) |
| 19:50.09 | onweald_tim | Zamolxes: I am bleary eyed from reading the bash manual |
| 19:50.27 | zamolxes | onweald_tim: i don' know, look for a guide |
| 19:50.31 | onweald_tim | I try to read as much as possible before coming to the room. |
| 19:50.35 | zamolxes | onweald_tim: i hear oreilly keeps some |
| 19:50.38 | wols_ | INIT07: and under debian, editing this file is very vrey wrong |
| 19:50.43 | wols_ | !tell INIT07 about xmd5 |
| 19:50.45 | deceptacon | i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, its asking me to select a desired X server driver, and currently highlighting 'vesa' |
| 19:50.56 | INIT07 | select i810 |
| 19:50.57 | Covener | onweald_tim: X=$(cat x | sed -e "s@bb@BB@") |
| 19:51.02 | onweald_tim | zamolxes: I'll check it out but like Covener said, the single quotes appear to be required. |
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| 19:51.13 | Covener | onweald_tim: seems to do the job for me |
| 19:51.13 | zamolxes | onweald_tim: even X = $(sed -e "bla" x) |
| 19:51.30 | deceptacon | now its asking me about the video card's bus identifier... |
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| 19:51.32 | zamolxes | without the whitespace ;) |
| 19:51.33 | onweald_tim | Covener: I'll check that out. I haven't used the $() before. Heading for the bash manual. |
| 19:51.39 | Covener | i'm an idiot, forget the import part of the variable |
| 19:51.39 | wols_ | deceptacon: ignore that. press enter |
| 19:51.41 | onweald_tim | Thanks Covener and zamolxes |
| 19:51.53 | deceptacon | amount of memory (in kB) |
| 19:51.59 | deceptacon | to be used by video card |
| 19:52.02 | Covener | (still works as expected tho) |
| 19:52.03 | wols_ | whatever you set in bios |
| 19:52.06 | zamolxes | onweald_tim: most filter programs receive the subject file as a param, so cat is unnecessary |
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| 19:52.24 | deceptacon | not sure. what should i put (i expect to do internet browsing, no games, just word processing) |
| 19:52.32 | onweald_tim | zamolxes: Yeah but I am using cat only for an example. Actually outputting lvdisplay -c |
| 19:52.36 | wols_ | what is your target resolution? |
| 19:52.45 | deceptacon | probably 800x600 |
| 19:52.49 | deceptacon | i havent tried anything higher |
| 19:52.52 | wols_ | 1MB |
| 19:53.02 | wols_ | no. make it 2MB |
| 19:53.09 | deceptacon | 2048 kB |
| 19:53.13 | zamolxes | onweald_tim: cool. you might like perl you know ;) |
| 19:53.22 | jonaskoelker | anyone have any ideas how I can diagnose the dhcp client in the installation system--or any other bits of my system for that matter? |
| 19:53.35 | wols_ | that way you have room for 32bit color and 1024x768 |
| 19:53.35 | jonaskoelker | what would you need to know about my setup to provide some useful feedback? |
| 19:53.37 | deceptacon | im selecting xfree86 as the XKB rule |
| 19:53.39 | jonaskoelker | (see my above question) |
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| 19:54.02 | Covener | jonaskoelker: wireshark "near" the dhcp server? |
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| 19:54.16 | jonaskoelker | wireshark? |
| 19:54.20 | onweald_tim | zamolxes: I hate not figuring it out. You've gotta be able to do it with sed. I am already using grep, awk and sed. |
| 19:54.21 | jonaskoelker | !dict wireshark |
| 19:54.22 | wols_ | jonaskoelker: NIC driver is loaded, eth0 exists? |
| 19:54.25 | dpkg | could not find definition for wireshark |
| 19:54.36 | onweald_tim | And I'm already using other sed replacements. This is just one of 'em. |
| 19:54.42 | onweald_tim | Dang sed sucks the big one. ;-) |
| 19:54.49 | wols_ | jonaskoelker: it's a package. could also be named ethereal. a network sniffer |
| 19:54.54 | Covener | jonaskoelker: new name for ethereal, ip trace capture/display that will tell you info about the protocol going over the wire |
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| 19:55.05 | wols_ | but it won't work until you have X. tethereal would tho |
| 19:55.33 | onweald_tim | I like sed though because it seems faster. It really doesn't matter though. I just need to get it done at this point. But dang I hate not knowing how to make this work! |
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| 19:57.12 | stojic | hello, I am running etch. Is it ok to have both gcc4-0 and gcc4.1 installed on the system? |
| 19:57.29 | wols_ | stojic: yes |
| 19:57.49 | jonaskoelker | hmm... no lspci in the install system, so I'm gonna reboot into knoppix to look what the network is (IIRC it's a realtek 8139)... |
| 19:57.56 | jonaskoelker | and I'll install wireshark straight away |
| 19:58.11 | wols_ | jonaskoelker: dmesg would tell you |
| 19:58.13 | stojic | wols_: ok, thanks |
| 19:58.40 | wols_ | and ifconfig -a |
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| 20:02.39 | ecdemo | what's recommended as fs type for /? |
| 20:02.43 | deceptacon | im still getting a nasty black screen |
| 20:03.04 | ecdemo | that could mean your monitor is off... |
| 20:03.22 | deceptacon | ecdemo, my monitor is on, i ctrl-alt-backspaced out of X |
| 20:03.29 | deceptacon | and i can see a login prompt |
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| 20:03.37 | ecdemo | ok :) |
| 20:03.52 | jonaskoelker | duhh... well, when I see DHCPDISCOVER on the dhcp server, the client is obviously able to send packets out on the network |
| 20:03.53 | ecdemo | stupid comments r me :) |
| 20:03.53 | deceptacon | im talking about the desktop trying to start up |
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| 20:04.26 | wols_ | ecdemo: ext3, reiser, xfs |
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| 20:05.03 | thanksjack | I tried sudo chmod 4755 smbmnt and it said "chmod: cannot access `smbmnt': No such file or directory" |
| 20:05.05 | ecdemo | I dunno who's helping you... but they would benefit if they were to see the file log.txt after you run: X > log.txt 2>&1 |
| 20:05.09 | thanksjack | What am I doing wrong? |
| 20:05.42 | ecdemo | put log.txt on some pastebin... rafb.net/paste is one |
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| 20:06.57 | jetscreamer | updatedb && locate smbmnt |
| 20:07.02 | ecdemo | wols_: -reiser-? :) xfs I'd prefer, but do late versions of grub work with it yet? |
| 20:07.02 | deceptacon | this thing is a dell optiplex gx150 |
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| 20:07.51 | deceptacon | wols_ ive used damnsmalllinux with vesa 800x600x16 i think. and debian netinst + apt-get x-window-system worked perfectly before |
| 20:08.00 | Rockj | Hey. I've just added a new controller card in my pc, a Promise TX4310 which supports raid0,1,5 .. when I create an array in the util you access before booting...isn't linux supposed to detect it as a single device? running cfdisc on /dev/sdX only shows hdd-totalt amount of diskspace. Where do raid-devices get mapped to? Or di I need to use mdadm to make a /dev/mdX device ? (then...I really could go with a cheaper controller then? ) |
| 20:08.14 | ecdemo | deceptacon, try running that line I pasted... paste the log file to a pastebin... tell who's helping you where the pastebin put it |
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| 20:08.44 | deceptacon | one sec |
| 20:08.48 | jonaskoelker | could I not configure the network manually instead of by DHCP? |
| 20:08.51 | Frostbite | Can anyone advice me on mysql multi-master replication? I set up mysql multi-master replication 10 minutes ago on fresh freebsd servers with no databases. Since then, both slaves show status 'Queueing master event to the relay log' and the hard drives in both machines are going mad. If I create a db on 1 machine, it doesn't replicate. Each machine now has around 31k binary log files. Any ideas? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/FMhzWL65.ht |
| 20:08.51 | Frostbite | ml |
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| 20:10.35 | thanksjack | cannot mount on /smbmedia: Operation not permitted ... Why could this happen? |
| 20:11.01 | ecdemo | Operation not permitted :) |
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| 20:11.09 | thanksjack | I got that far |
| 20:11.15 | ecdemo | so I see :) |
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| 20:11.26 | vulture | thanksjack: what user/groups are you performing the mount command as, and what're the perms on the mount point? |
| 20:11.41 | hjohnson | hmm.. anyone know if I could use, say debbootstrap to move from debian/i386 to debian/amd64 without doing a full reinstall? |
| 20:11.41 | ecdemo | permit is related to permission |
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| 20:11.48 | thanksjack | I have a user mounting it from fstab |
| 20:11.51 | lgine | http://stream.oziosi.org:8000/antimtvday.ogg |
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| 20:12.14 | ecdemo | !ops lgine spammer |
| 20:12.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: ecdemo complains about: lgine spammer |
| 20:12.20 | andrej | stew, are you awake? |
| 20:12.20 | thanksjack | the fstab options include "uid=XXXX" and "users" |
| 20:12.36 | amphi | ecdemo: don't panic, it was one line |
| 20:12.39 | deceptacon | im not sure whats going on with my desktop environment: here is a log file http://rafb.net/paste/results/eZweAV34.html |
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| 20:13.07 | ecdemo | I'm just telling them... they can respond any way they want to |
| 20:14.05 | thanksjack | oh! the mount point |
| 20:14.06 | kristalino | heya. Anyone here who knows why i don't get the language i choosed in mailman package ? |
| 20:14.11 | thanksjack | man I'm an idiot |
| 20:14.18 | thanksjack | totally forgot |
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| 20:14.57 | Siarom | alguem aqui ja mecheu com ltsp? |
| 20:15.14 | ecdemo | well you did work it out yourself... so at worst, you only -were- an idiot... if you ever were |
| 20:15.47 | ecdemo | but I disagree you ever were |
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| 20:15.58 | skript | how can I stop a usb mass storage device (aka winxp 'stop usb device') ? |
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| 20:16.07 | jonaskoelker | all right, here there be packets: http://jonaskoelker.homeunix.org/~jonas/filetransfer/foobar |
| 20:16.09 | amphi | skript: umount it |
| 20:16.16 | jonaskoelker | wireshark's preferred (default) format. |
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| 20:16.24 | thanksjack | yeah, I was only ignorant and lazy. it's working now ecdemo, thanks for the help |
| 20:16.30 | ecdemo | skript: if you unmount the device, then it will sync before doing so |
| 20:16.48 | Col_Kernel | I'm having trouble converting my / partition to LVM2/RAID. I created the raid device, PV, VG and LV, formatted the LV and copied the root FS over to the new partition. When I change the root= parameter in /boot/grub/menu.lst, the raid device is started, but not the LV with the root partiton and the init process fails to mount the root partition ... How do I tell the initrd to start lvm2 prior to mounting the root partition? |
| 20:16.50 | jonaskoelker | first I said "config network with DHCP", then I said "config network with DHCP with specific server", and the specific server was "192.168.1.1". The strings are translated from danish. |
| 20:16.52 | ecdemo | thanksjack: all I did was show a relation between two words :) |
| 20:17.03 | ecdemo | you did the major debug work |
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| 20:17.12 | thanksjack | a relation I wouldn't have noticed without your help |
| 20:17.17 | hjohnson | Col_Kernel: there's a package for making lvm2 initrds, as I recall |
| 20:17.26 | skript | amphi: how exactly do I do unmount it ? |
| 20:17.27 | hjohnson | Col_Kernel: I fought with it for 6 hours once until I discovered the easy way |
| 20:17.29 | jonaskoelker | and the pattern matches what I've been seeing in my syslog: DHCPDISCOVER => DHCPOFFER => *no* DHCPREQUEST :| |
| 20:17.53 | ecdemo | well I've seen "operation not permitted" message when the denial was other than involving file perms |
| 20:17.58 | jonaskoelker | anyone makes anything of the packet dump? Anyone looking at it? |
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| 20:18.09 | amphi | skript: umount /dev/whatever |
| 20:18.12 | thanksjack | yeah, I forgot I needed the mount point to be chowned too |
| 20:18.42 | ecdemo | or umount /the/mount/point |
| 20:18.50 | thanksjack | any reason why my ntfs mount might not show up in "Computer" but would in "Desktop" in gnome ? |
| 20:19.10 | ecdemo | debian... xfs on /... grub... works? :) |
| 20:19.21 | bab | hey I am setting up my server to output console messages to the serial port I am wondering what speed is better 9600 or 115200 |
| 20:19.44 | peterS | ecdemo: if you install the grub boot sector to some partition other than /, probably |
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| 20:20.28 | ecdemo | I couldn't get the drive to boot into grub when it was on other than the mbr... having said that, the drive is presently hdc but I'm going to move it to hda |
| 20:20.36 | peterS | bab: I wouldn't count on 115200 working between arbitrary computers. 36400 OTOH should be fine everywhere |
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| 20:20.50 | peterS | errr, I mean 38400 |
| 20:20.53 | skript | amphi: well... i did umont /dev/sda but after doing lsusb my usb memory is still getting listed... |
| 20:20.59 | Rockj | Col_Kernel: can I shoot you a quick question about raid? (since it seems your abit fammiliar with it) |
| 20:21.06 | Denton | hello |
| 20:21.16 | deceptacon | hey i just installed debian, flavor sarge through a netinst cd. I proceeded to install Debian with a desktop environment. I remember putting in vesa in some option. After the installation process finished, the screen looked all messed up, I tried ctrl alt backspace to get to the prompt, but x keeps starting up repeatedly into a black grey/green static sort of screen even after pressing ctrl-alt-backspace. A copy of the log is here: http://ra |
| 20:21.35 | Denton | i'm trying to reinstall grub via a kubuntu-live cd |
| 20:21.41 | Rockj | Col_Kernel: when my Promise TX4310 card supports RAID and I've created an array, isn't Debian supposed to detect that as a block device? or do I still need to use mdadm? |
| 20:22.04 | amphi | skript: that's because it's plugged in; if mount with no args doesn't show it mounted, you can pull it; it's mor likely to be sda1 than sda, but perhaps yours is different |
| 20:22.20 | ecdemo | 115200 could work on some serial controllers (aka uarts)... some will translate to the physical speed... but for works-anywhere portability sake, 38400 is probably safer |
| 20:22.46 | bab | ecdemo, well I am setting it up for a console server and it can do any of the speeds |
| 20:22.53 | Denton | i went into my old system with chroot, but when i type "grub-install --root-directory=dev/hda i get "install_device not specified" |
| 20:22.56 | bab | so how do I pick whick one to go with |
| 20:23.06 | ecdemo | try the faster and see if it works |
| 20:23.12 | ecdemo | or |
| 20:23.13 | Col_Kernel | Rockj: sorry, I've never used the raid functionality of IDE controllers, only software raid |
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| 20:23.18 | ecdemo | try the slower and see if it works |
| 20:23.28 | section31 | how would i go about finding all hardlinks to a particular address...I'm assuming I would have to do a search for the inode # but how do i search for the inode # |
| 20:23.37 | thanksjack | any reason why my ntfs mount might not show up in "Computer" but would in "Desktop" in gnome ? |
| 20:23.38 | bab | ecdemo, so if it is faster then it spits the info back to be master, like a faster refresash(faster means better) |
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| 20:24.03 | hjohnson | second itme I'll have done an install |
| 20:24.07 | g3brown | Trying to install Sarge on an old pc. I put an Intel Pro 1000 GT in it's not detecting it on install. I tried selecting the e1000 driver but that doesn't work either. Next step? |
| 20:24.29 | jonaskoelker | interesting network I've set up (I've set it up manually: faith=192.168.1.2, charity=192.168.1.1, I want to install debian on faith): when I try "nc 192.168.1.1 80" from faith, it generates a lot of ARP traffic, asking "who's 192.168.1.1?" (its default gw), and charity answers back saying "I am". Then faith asks again. What gives? |
| 20:24.35 | Col_Kernel | hjohnson: I suppose you are talking about initramfs-tools? I already used update-initramfs but it didn't help. Did you need to configure something or did it work right of the box? |
| 20:24.38 | ecdemo | well, if the serial link is actually slower and the uart handles the translation and handshaking, then the speed doesn't really matter |
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| 20:24.53 | hjohnson | Col_Kernel: it was something along with make-kpkg |
| 20:25.10 | ecdemo | (unless of course it matters to you for specific reasons) |
| 20:25.13 | hjohnson | Col_Kernel: it's been ages since I did it.. right now I just run RAID/LVM on my data drives, and boot off of a non-RAID boot drive |
| 20:25.31 | skript | amphi: oh... ok... well, the light on the usb memory that ususally goes off when I stop it under winxp is still ON... |
| 20:25.31 | Col_Kernel | hjohnson: ah, ok, you built your own kernel |
| 20:25.45 | hjohnson | Col_Kernel: always |
| 20:26.01 | skript | amphi: but mount doesn't list anything related to this usb device, so I guess it's safe to pull it out ;) |
| 20:26.11 | skript | amphi: thanks for help anyway :) |
| 20:26.12 | ecdemo | debian people don' |
| 20:26.18 | amphi | skript: I have no idea about winxp, but if it's unmounted or mounted r/o, it's safe to pull it |
| 20:26.22 | ecdemo | t like when you build your own kernel... |
| 20:26.29 | Denton | when i type "grub-install --root-rootdirectory=DIR" it asks me for an "install_device". what am i supposed to do? |
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| 20:26.48 | deceptacon | :/ im really confused. |
| 20:26.49 | hjohnson | the kernel is the only thing I build myself. :) |
| 20:26.59 | jonaskoelker | hmm... I'll try the etch netboot.tar.gz instead of the sarge one... |
| 20:27.26 | thanksjack | john, stats? |
| 20:27.28 | ecdemo | it's because it -might- be harder to find a problem if the kernel is an unknown |
| 20:27.37 | MatBoy | msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 20:27.48 | MatBoy | oops :) |
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| 20:28.07 | ecdemo | here, you can use that :) |
| 20:28.13 | MatBoy | !beer ecdemo :D |
| 20:28.23 | thanksjack | any reason why my ntfs mount might not show up in "Computer" but would in "Desktop" in gnome ? |
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| 20:29.22 | Col_Kernel | hjohnson: yes, I planned to do that later, maybe I give it a try now |
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| 20:30.07 | hjohnson | ecdemo: ahh, point.. |
| 20:30.08 | MatBoy | Does someone know the package for the powerbuttons in KDE ? Damn I really can't find that by using google every time... I need to write it down :S |
| 20:30.15 | Vooloo | is there a way to use addressing like gmail .. account+addressing@gmail.com on any mailserver by just having one account? like maybe qmail? |
| 20:30.16 | hjohnson | ecdemo: I don't recommend newbies ot build their own kernel.. |
| 20:30.40 | MatBoy | hjohnson, there is a good tut... and when they have their old... no problem :) |
| 20:30.53 | MatBoy | hjohnson, but the new linux-images are working also great :D |
| 20:31.02 | Denton | i'm trying to reinstall grub with a live-cd. i chroot'ed into my old system already, but when i type "grub-install --root-directory=DIR" it awas asks for an "install_device". What is that? |
| 20:32.40 | Yperite | Hi someone can tell me one card wifi pcmcia which works with debian |
| 20:32.52 | hjohnson | ok.. lets just hope that the bios on my motherboard is current enough to run this athlon X2. |
| 20:32.58 | Frostbite | Can anyone advice me on mysql multi-master replication? I set up mysql multi-master replication 10 minutes ago on fresh freebsd servers with no databases. Since then, both slaves show status 'Queueing master event to the relay log' and the hard drives in both machines are going mad. If I create a db on 1 machine, it doesn't replicate. Each machine now has around 31k binary log files. Any ideas? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/FMhzWL65.ht |
| 20:33.03 | Frostbite | ml |
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| 20:34.13 | jonaskoelker | the etch netboot did the trick |
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| 20:35.05 | ecdemo | if they haven't when you said it the first time -- what was it, one minute ago?? -- why would they suddenly know one minute later?? |
| 20:35.57 | ecdemo | -maybe- you could try a mysql mailing list... or use a real database like pg |
| 20:36.18 | Yperite | Hi someone can tell me one card wifi pcmcia b/g wpa which works with debian |
| 20:36.20 | ecdemo | ObPoliteness: assuming you don't find out here |
| 20:36.57 | MatBoy | Frostbite, you use mySQL 5 ? |
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| 20:39.04 | valdyn | Yperite: rt2500 based cards do work |
| 20:39.25 | valdyn | Yperite: though not yet properly with network-manager |
| 20:39.45 | MatBoy | Frostbite, > |
| 20:39.46 | MatBoy | ? |
| 20:39.52 | Yperite | valdyn, have you a reference? |
| 20:40.16 | ecdemo | is it worth it to build a wifi wap out of a linux box? |
| 20:40.20 | valdyn | Yperite: rt2x00.serialmonkey.com, im using one from asus |
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| 20:40.50 | valdyn | Yperite: driver is in debian, not in mainline, a new driver is about ready to be used though not ( yet ) in debian |
| 20:41.11 | valdyn | Yperite: not in mainline meant that its not in debian or kernel.org kernels |
| 20:41.34 | ecdemo | so it's a patch? |
| 20:41.52 | ecdemo | or available on the author's site or something like that |
| 20:41.53 | ecdemo | ? |
| 20:42.04 | valdyn | ecdemo: that driver? its a kernel module that isnt in mainline, that does not make it a patch |
| 20:42.30 | valdyn | !info rt2500-source sarge |
| 20:42.31 | ecdemo | that's why I'm asking :) well, also because I'm idly curious |
| 20:42.44 | Yperite | valdyn, thx i'm looking for this |
| 20:43.20 | valdyn | Yperite: hmm driver is only in etch+ |
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| 20:43.38 | ecdemo | I mean, at one point I was trying to build a wap out of a debian box, but I sorta gave up (this was years ago) |
| 20:44.30 | ecdemo | but now I'm thinking it might be nice to have a wireless net |
| 20:45.38 | kristalino | i can't have the mailman interface in french. Can anyone help ? |
| 20:45.59 | kristalino | i tried with debconf to choose only fr, but it didn't worked |
| 20:46.02 | ecdemo | what do you want exactly? |
| 20:46.05 | valdyn | kristalino: echo $LC_ALL |
| 20:46.12 | ecdemo | so you want it in french |
| 20:46.38 | kristalino | valdyn, returns nothing :/ |
| 20:46.54 | kristalino | yes i do |
| 20:46.56 | dondelelcaro | I'm going to be unbanning a few groups here in a second; I suggest /ignore #debian MODES; or your client's equivalent |
| 20:46.59 | valdyn | kristalino: try $LANG instead |
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| 20:47.22 | kristalino | valdyn, nothing too |
| 20:47.47 | kristalino | i did a debootstrap install, maybe it didn't installed all i18n and stuff |
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| 20:47.49 | valdyn | kristalino: type 'locale', see what's set and what is not, do not paste the whole output here |
| 20:47.58 | ecdemo | what locales do you have installed/built/erm, available? |
| 20:48.21 | ecdemo | pastebins are good for whole outputs :) |
| 20:48.25 | dondelelcaro | unbanning begins; /ignore #debian modes |
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| 20:48.49 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:48.59 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
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| 20:49.25 | kristalino | what is the way to add i18n (LC_ALL and all) to a debootstrap install ? |
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| 20:49.35 | ecdemo | oh, that was only a pagefull |
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| 20:49.40 | ecdemo | more? |
| 20:49.51 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@tor/session/*] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:49.57 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gateway/tor/*] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:49.59 | valdyn | kristalino: you do not need to explicitely install more, locales are depended upon by your libc |
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| 20:50.09 | valdyn | kristalino: dpkg -l locales |
| 20:50.20 | ecdemo | were tor users causing problems? |
| 20:50.24 | shay | dondelelcaro, why are we banning all the tor users? |
| 20:50.27 | ecdemo | I guess so |
| 20:50.30 | peterS | ecdemo: they've always been kind of a background noise of problems |
| 20:50.30 | dondelelcaro | If you're on this channel and are using tor, I will put in +e's for you if you have a registered nick and are a real person. /msg me for details. |
| 20:50.40 | kristalino | ecdemo, i have LANG=POSIX and nearly all other variables set to posix |
| 20:50.44 | ecdemo | to be expected I guess |
| 20:50.56 | shay | dondelelcaro, it's jsut this retarded that uses the nickserv and memoserv nicks, I'm pretty sure he uses the same ident |
| 20:50.58 | peterS | ecdemo: all dondelelcaro did just now was update the ban mask to freenode's current tor thing. the ban was already in place, just out of date |
| 20:51.01 | aubergine | When i make a command with long output, such as "cat file.txt" i can only see the last few lines of that content, how can i switch up and down in the console? |
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| 20:51.18 | valdyn | aubergine: you cant, use 'more file.txt' |
| 20:51.19 | dondelelcaro | shay: tor has been banned on this channel for a few years; it's only the recent change from tor/session to gateway/tor... |
| 20:51.27 | shay | oh I see |
| 20:51.45 | ecdemo | idle curiousity dept: why not have bots control that kind of thing? |
| 20:51.46 | aubergine | valdyn: ok thx |
| 20:51.51 | valdyn | aubergine: though console does have a small scrollback buffer to be seen with pgup / pgdown |
| 20:51.54 | kristalino | valdyn, do you know how can i add fr locale to my system, and then have mailman in french ? |
| 20:51.55 | peterS | ecdemo: what sort of thing? |
| 20:52.05 | valdyn | kristalino: run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' |
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| 20:52.14 | peterS | ecdemo: the irc server enforces bans, you just have to set them and there they are |
| 20:52.47 | valdyn | kristalino: if your default locales is not french just run 'LC_ALL=foo mailmain' instead of mailmain, after your french locale is generated |
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| 20:53.15 | ecdemo | bans/unbans/maintaining lists/keeping track of problem sites/sending banees a polite msg in case a ban covered them but it wasn't intended |
| 20:53.38 | dondelelcaro | ecdemo: we have scripts that do all of that |
| 20:53.43 | peterS | ecdemo: how do you expect a bot to know whom to ban? that's the part that is done manually. the rest _is_ automated |
| 20:54.11 | ecdemo | with the number of folks frequenting this place, I would have thought that human management of that or most thereof would be unscalable |
| 20:54.39 | peterS | ecdemo: what management are you talking about? someone reports a problem, we look in and ban the user if need be. that can't be automated. anything else can and is. |
| 20:54.40 | dondelelcaro | we actually have fewer people now than we've had in the past... |
| 20:54.44 | ecdemo | peterS: good point... but the bot could try to recognize certain behavior that's simple enough |
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| 20:55.04 | dondelelcaro | ecdemo: the behavoir that bots are good at seeing they already ban on |
| 20:55.04 | peterS | ecdemo: yes, and it does, actually. in particular, flooding the channel is automatically detected and you get kicked for it |
| 20:55.06 | valdyn | ecdemo: bot just does kicks |
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| 20:55.22 | peterS | ecdemo: note the 'debhelper' bot. it is always watching you. |
| 20:55.25 | kristalino | valdyn, do i have to reboot after setting my locale ? |
| 20:55.26 | valdyn | oh, bans too? neat |
| 20:55.35 | kristalino | *my default locale |
| 20:55.50 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: they're only temporary, and pretty rare... (generally for nickflooders, etc.) |
| 20:55.54 | valdyn | kristalino: no, but to relogin or manually set your locale environment ( for instance 'export LC_ALL=foo' |
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| 20:56.02 | ecdemo | the bot -could- for example not ban, but notify ops |
| 20:56.14 | Cybodog | need some help locating the correct mod for a nvidia MCP51 NIC. D-I nic worked, but now I have a system with no networking, not even lo |
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| 20:56.39 | kristalino | valdyn, is it better to choose ISO-8859-1 or utf-8 for locales ? |
| 20:56.42 | valdyn | Cybodog: tried forcedeth ? |
| 20:56.46 | Cybodog | used network install to get base system and "standard" sofware. |
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| 20:56.50 | valdyn | kristalino: none is better |
| 20:56.52 | Cybodog | no, |
| 20:56.56 | ecdemo | if ops don't respond within some configurable timeframe, then the bot could do something more direct |
| 20:56.57 | peterS | ecdemo: as dondelelcaro said, for behaviors which are possible to detect with a bot, debhelper already does it. behavior which is disruptive but a bot can't always recognise it, we use the "wait until users complain" model |
| 20:56.58 | dondelelcaro | ecdemo: that's what !ops is for... |
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| 20:57.11 | Cybodog | valdyn, modprobe frocedeth? |
| 20:57.15 | ecdemo | I'm just saying the bot could also do that |
| 20:57.17 | valdyn | Cybodog: yea |
| 20:57.17 | kristalino | or better to choose .UTF-8@euro or .ISO-8859-15@euro |
| 20:57.20 | peterS | ecdemo: if ops don't respond to a request for action, sometimes that just means that the situation has already resolved itself |
| 20:57.23 | Cybodog | ty valdyn |
| 20:57.39 | kristalino | valdyn, better to have less problems |
| 20:57.41 | peterS | ecdemo: some people, believe it or not, are too trigger-happy when calling for ops. others who cause problems are calm and reasonable once it is pointed out what they should stop doing |
| 20:57.42 | dondelelcaro | ecdemo: nah, it can't... the bots aren't smart enough to discern between abuse of !ops and a real problem. |
| 20:57.59 | valdyn | kristalino: utf-8 is better to display non-standard characters, i cant tell you which is better in general |
| 20:58.11 | kristalino | ok |
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| 20:58.39 | valdyn | kristalino: most distros are utf-8 by default now I think |
| 20:58.59 | kristalino | valdyn, what is the @euro thingy ? |
| 20:59.27 | peterS | ecdemo: so I guess what you're really saying is that ordinary users should have the power to ask a bot to take chanop actions. but that's really pretty much equivalent to giving more users op privileges. the existing ops are sensitive to the possibility that there aren't enough ops around at all times of day, and we do recruit new ones from time to time |
| 20:59.28 | valdyn | kristalino: support for euro sign |
| 20:59.50 | kristalino | yeap,recommanded or not ? |
| 20:59.58 | ecdemo | I understand that... but what I'm saying is, I dunno, the bot could be taught to recognize new kinds of abuse (ok, so maybe doing so would be an extreme action) and notify ops when it sees it so they can make the decision |
| 21:00.09 | valdyn | kristalino: i see no reason not to use it |
| 21:00.19 | kristalino | ok |
| 21:00.24 | valdyn | kristalino: im not familiar with technical details there really, i just use it |
| 21:00.39 | kristalino | thanks for ideas |
| 21:00.40 | dondelelcaro | ecdemo: if the bot knows that abuse is happening, it usually just deals with it |
| 21:00.40 | peterS | ecdemo: well, in practice, users are pretty good at signaling ops when something disruptive happens. nobody really sees a pressing need for bots to do the same |
| 21:02.14 | dondelelcaro | in any event, if you think bots would be capable of doing it, feel free to write them and test them out on other channels/networks |
| 21:02.20 | ecdemo | what if you were testing a new kind |
| 21:02.56 | ecdemo | and you felt it was -probably- ready but not totally sure |
| 21:03.11 | dondelelcaro | the I'd continue testing it |
| 21:03.17 | peterS | ecdemo: well, note that irc anti-abuse bot technology is pretty well-developed, thanks to irc's long history of people trying to abuse it. the things you think are automatically detectable are, by and large, already detected (: |
| 21:03.22 | ecdemo | then I guess the bot could either log the event or signal it |
| 21:03.55 | Cybodog | valdyn, just curious, how did you know that off the top of your head? |
| 21:03.56 | Covener | ecdemo: i think these processes have been hashed out for close to 15 years. Bots respond to behavior and take actions, it's not really covering any new ground in the IRC world. |
| 21:04.05 | peterS | ecdemo: yeah, we could always allow a bot into the channel which logs its actions rather than just taking action. then after a few days we could review the logs, along with the actual irc transcripts, and see how good its decisions really are |
| 21:04.08 | valdyn | Cybodog: know what? |
| 21:04.13 | usr13 | what is the command to update time with ntp time server? |
| 21:04.21 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 21:04.22 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 21:04.26 | Cybodog | forcedeth for a nvidia MCP51 |
| 21:04.27 | ecdemo | apt-get install ntp? |
| 21:04.28 | dendrite | usr13: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
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| 21:04.49 | Cybodog | valdyn, forcedeth for a nvidia MCP51 |
| 21:04.50 | dendrite | usr13: Then do hwclock --systohc to sync up your RTC |
| 21:04.54 | valdyn | Cybodog: i used that driver couple years ago |
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| 21:05.22 | Cybodog | that is the one thing I don't like about modprobe, you have to know what to probe! :) |
| 21:05.24 | bab | are you supose to be able to get the boot up outputed to the serial |
| 21:06.09 | valdyn | Cybodog: you shouldnt have to know i suppose, each driver has know which devices it can run, and there's tools to read that data and load the appropriate driver |
| 21:06.21 | Denton | i'm trying to reinstall grub with a live-cd. i chroot'ed into my old system already, but when i type "grub-install --root-directory=DIR" it awas asks for an "install_device". What is that? |
| 21:06.24 | peterS | bab: works fine on architectures where the boot firmware gives the kernel some direct API for serial port output, so that the kernel doesn't have to initialise its own serial driver before outputting any messages. all real unix workstations have firmware that does this, peecees often do not |
| 21:06.25 | ecdemo | probably... linux could have been first developed using a serial terminal |
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| 21:06.52 | peterS | bab: in fact you can use a serial port for your kernel console even on a peecee, you just won't get _early_ boot messages necessarily |
| 21:07.07 | ecdemo | are the early msgs logged? |
| 21:07.17 | peterS | in fact I think you might even get early boot messages in that case, using a custom serial driver, before the main one initialises |
| 21:07.27 | valdyn | ecdemo: /var/log/dmesg |
| 21:07.31 | peterS | but I'm not sure, I've never tried to use a peecee with a serial console |
| 21:07.45 | bab | peterS yes I have it working so i get the very first boot message and then the login screen but nothing in between when the services are being started |
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| 21:07.56 | bab | it is only a x86 compaq |
| 21:07.58 | valdyn | ecdemo: if that covers the first line depends on the size of that kernel ring buffer i guess |
| 21:08.06 | peterS | bab: "console=/dev/ttyS0" is supposed to give you all of that |
| 21:08.17 | ecdemo | gotcha |
| 21:08.23 | bab | peterS, in which file? |
| 21:08.35 | bab | in the grup menu.list |
| 21:08.36 | peterS | bab: as a kernel boot parameter. ...assuming the serial driver is loaded the whole time. having it compiled into your kernel helps a lot |
| 21:09.06 | bab | peterS, aha so it sounds like I need to tweek the kernel |
| 21:09.11 | bab | in order to get boot messages |
| 21:09.18 | peterS | bab: debian kernels have this support enabled - grep 'CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE' /boot/config-$(uname -r) to see what I mean |
| 21:09.38 | peterS | (8250 is the family of serial port chips on all PC compatibles) |
| 21:10.03 | ecdemo | going back... are there any specific wifi cards I could get that would give linux the ability to function as a wap with that card? |
| 21:10.04 | peterS | (8250 was the original, most PCs now have a 16450, 16550, 16550A or newer, but they're all the same idea) |
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| 21:11.24 | ecdemo | the 550A will let you send to it at any rate, it will buffer and do handshaking to get to the physical speed and back |
| 21:11.25 | bab | peters |
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| 21:11.34 | bab | peterS, aha CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE=y |
| 21:11.44 | ecdemo | well at least up to 115200 |
| 21:11.51 | peterS | bab: yep, so on debian kernels, serial console support is always present |
| 21:11.59 | bab | peterS, but i am still not getting the boot up messages |
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| 21:12.12 | bab | peters it is not necessary but it would be nice |
| 21:12.18 | peterS | bab: are you passing 'console=/dev/ttyS0' to the kernel at boot time? this is normally done by adding it to /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:12.32 | peterS | I think 'console=ttyS0' does the same thing |
| 21:12.56 | peterS | since the kernel technically does not depend on a specific file in a specific location like /dev, but just recognises the standard name for the device independently |
| 21:13.10 | ecdemo | plus you can edit boot commands using the grub shell and menu interface |
| 21:13.39 | bab | peterS, yaha check it out this is what I see http://pastebin.ca/173356 |
| 21:13.46 | section31 | what is the -a option for the cp utility...in the man page it says archive..no idea what that means |
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| 21:14.06 | ecdemo | section31: copies dirs |
| 21:14.12 | ecdemo | recursively |
| 21:14.20 | bab | peterS, the boot up starts when you see the "Press any key to continue." |
| 21:14.20 | peterS | bab: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-3-686-smp root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 21:14.26 | dondelelcaro | section31: see where it says "same as -dpR" ? |
| 21:14.28 | peterS | bab: I don't see any mention of "console=/dev/ttyS0" there |
| 21:14.57 | dondelelcaro | section31: read what those options mean, and you'll understand why it's called the archive option |
| 21:14.57 | wols_ | section31: you need to read your manpage more carefully: "same as -dpR" |
| 21:15.05 | peterS | bab: if I didn't know any better I would say you were ignoring everything we're telling you to do |
| 21:15.23 | section31 | dondelelcaro, gotcha |
| 21:15.56 | bab | peterS, well this is what i have in grup/menu.list http://pastebin.ca/173359 |
| 21:16.13 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:16.13 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:16.39 | peterS | bab: yes, I still don't see any mention of 'console=/dev/ttyS0' |
| 21:16.59 | bab | peterS, where should it go? |
| 21:17.06 | bab | on a new line? |
| 21:17.07 | peterS | bab: I guess I'll shut up now, I think I've said the same thing about 3 or 4 times already |
| 21:17.10 | ecdemo | bab: it's an argument to the kernel line |
| 21:17.15 | ecdemo | so add it to the end |
| 21:17.46 | bab | peterS, so like this http://pastebin.ca/173360 |
| 21:17.49 | usr13 | how to change display res? |
| 21:18.08 | MatBoy | !beer MatBoy as long as he can drink :) |
| 21:18.08 | valdyn | !drxx usr13 |
| 21:18.08 | dpkg | usr13: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:18.09 | usr13 | dpkg reconfigure-xorg or reconfigure-xfree or???? |
| 21:18.09 | peterS | did you try it? |
| 21:18.19 | ecdemo | bab: and if you want to know about other things you can tell the kernel just before booting, there's a "boot prompt howto" that explains a lot |
| 21:18.29 | tuv | usr13, are you too tired to type in resolution or are you too tired to type in another word? :) |
| 21:18.34 | MatBoy | usr13, xorg is better :D |
| 21:18.42 | ecdemo | usr13 you have the - in the wrong place |
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| 21:20.04 | usr13 | how need to change resolution |
| 21:20.23 | ecdemo | resolution of x? |
| 21:21.02 | hjohnson | alas there's no good way to swap from debian/32 to debian/64 |
| 21:21.11 | ecdemo | not really |
| 21:21.40 | hjohnson | fortunately I shouldn't run into th eproblems associated with having to run 32 bit stuff in a chroot prison |
| 21:21.49 | hjohnson | since I don't think i'm running anything that's not ported |
| 21:22.23 | ecdemo | isn't "porting" mostly just rebuilding from source? |
| 21:22.39 | hjohnson | ecdemo: right, but if the binary in question is not open source, then you're hooped. |
| 21:22.45 | hjohnson | (also open-office, but I digress) |
| 21:23.07 | wols_ | or browser flash support |
| 21:23.13 | ecdemo | why run anything closed-source with all the open/free stuff available? :) |
| 21:23.39 | hjohnson | ecdemo: sometimes you just gotta. |
| 21:23.39 | wols_ | ecdemo: it is, since linux is pretty muhc 64bit clean due to alpha, mips, sparc and ia64 |
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| 21:23.57 | hjohnson | wols_: don't forget PowerPC and POWER |
| 21:23.57 | MatBoy | guys, the person who died... he made Lilo ? |
| 21:23.57 | hjohnson | :P |
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| 21:24.03 | ecdemo | honestly, I think that most linux users should start really ignoring gates and all his crap |
| 21:24.08 | wols_ | !tell usr13 about drxx |
| 21:24.35 | Covener | hjohnson: does it matter much at all on that architecture? Just run a 64-bit kernel and keep the 32-bit userland around and run it all in place, no? |
| 21:24.48 | ecdemo | MatBoy: lilo (not the boot loader) was the founder of this net |
| 21:24.50 | valdyn | Covener: matter for what? |
| 21:24.52 | Cybodog | valdyn, that did not work (modules forcedeth) |
| 21:24.55 | ephracis | has anyone here tried to run krash (kde4 snapshot) on debian etch? |
| 21:25.01 | hjohnson | Covener: yeah, but you'll get better optimizations |
| 21:25.05 | hjohnson | whoa.. lilo is no more |
| 21:25.19 | valdyn | Covener: if you dont know how 64 bit would benefit you then it probably wouldnt benefit you, speed certainly is no hard reason to use 64-bit |
| 21:25.27 | ecdemo | he died -today-? |
| 21:25.30 | MatBoy | ecdemo, was he, damn !! that is sad !!! |
| 21:25.32 | Cybodog | my ifconfig shows no lo and shows eth0 with a 127.0.0.1 address. |
| 21:25.56 | wols_ | Cybodog: what kernel do you have? |
| 21:25.59 | Covener | valdyn: I'm asking hjohnson why he's sweating over running 32-bit code in a chroot prison on amd64. |
| 21:26.01 | ecdemo | Cybodog, check your /etc/network/interfaces too |
| 21:26.05 | wols_ | and: what does ifconfig -a say? |
| 21:26.21 | Cybodog | ecedmo looking there allready, valdyn one sec, will uname |
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| 21:26.50 | Cybodog | valdyn 2.6.16.2-686 |
| 21:27.04 | wols_ | Cybodog: are you running etch or sid? |
| 21:27.24 | Cybodog | etch with the intent of upgrade to sid, fresh install |
| 21:27.37 | valdyn | Cybodog: what does lspci show for your nic? |
| 21:27.48 | MatBoy | hehe, load average: 8.35, 8.89, 6.50 |
| 21:27.49 | Cybodog | valdyn one sec |
| 21:27.59 | MatBoy | and it was almost 10 :) |
| 21:28.11 | valdyn | MatBoy: so? |
| 21:28.21 | Cybodog | valdyn mcp51 |
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| 21:28.29 | hjohnson | hee hee.. running a dual core AMD64... with a 1MB S3 Trio video card. |
| 21:28.32 | MatBoy | valdyn, Debian run great with it :) |
| 21:28.33 | valdyn | Cybodog: the complete line please |
| 21:28.34 | MatBoy | runs |
| 21:28.43 | valdyn | MatBoy: a pure load value means nothing |
| 21:28.50 | Cybodog | valdyn will take longer, sneekernet |
| 21:28.57 | MatBoy | valdyn, when you do a resync, it really means ;) |
| 21:29.17 | ecdemo | well a pure load value would be what, the instantaneous load? |
| 21:29.29 | liable | holy shit, lilo died.. :( |
| 21:29.35 | ecdemo | as opposed to an average over time? |
| 21:29.38 | Covener | ecdemo: no, the size of the runqueue over 3 snapshots (1,3,5 minutes?) |
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| 21:30.12 | MatBoy | ecdemo, kernel.org does a load of 50 or more ? what was it ? |
| 21:30.14 | ecdemo | so "load" is defined as "size of runqueue"? |
| 21:30.19 | valdyn | ecdemo: no, it can be , for instance , 8 programs trying to transfer data of a tiny 10mbit network connection, means nothing for the system as a whole |
| 21:30.29 | Covener | ecdemo: by whom? |
| 21:30.36 | valdyn | ecdemo: yea |
| 21:30.52 | DaBlade | Does anyone know of any apps that can restrict the bandwidth usage of already-running apps? |
| 21:30.58 | ecdemo | Covener: evidently by you in your prev statement :) |
| 21:31.20 | wols_ | DaBlade: iptables with things like HTB |
| 21:31.31 | DaBlade | wols_: HTB? |
| 21:31.42 | ecdemo | you defined load average as size of runqueue averaged over a few intervals |
| 21:31.44 | Covener | ecdemo: the system load average on a unix system, when displayed in a triple like that, represents the size of the runqueue. It sounded like you were trying to make some comment about it not representing "load" which is a different beast |
| 21:32.08 | ecdemo | if we take away the average part, we're left with "size of runqueue" |
| 21:32.16 | wols_ | DaBlade: www.lartc.org |
| 21:32.26 | ecdemo | but is that what you're saying? |
| 21:32.59 | DaBlade | wols_: Is there maybe something I'm not likely to waste hours on getting to work? |
| 21:33.09 | DaBlade | Something like a renice for bandwidth |
| 21:33.19 | Cybodog | valdyn, http://pastebin.ca/173378 entire lspci output |
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| 21:33.31 | ecdemo | that is to ask, is the "size of runqueue" figure that which is averaged to form the display presented by the uptime command? |
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| 21:33.50 | wols_ | DaBlade: there is wondershaper you could try |
| 21:34.11 | ecdemo | DaBlade: if you get it to work, it won't be a waste |
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| 21:34.12 | Cybodog | 00:14.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller (rev a1 |
| 21:34.15 | DaBlade | wols_: It it in the repos |
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| 21:34.34 | valdyn | Cybodog: pciid for just that device please ( lspci -n ) |
| 21:34.37 | DaBlade | ecdemo: Time I could've used on other stuff. :) |
| 21:34.46 | Cybodog | one min. valdyn |
| 21:34.52 | ecdemo | that part is up to you... |
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| 21:35.32 | ecdemo | if you want to use it on other stuff, obviously you have the perfect right to do so |
| 21:35.33 | Covener | ecdemo: yes, that it what the numbers represent |
| 21:35.50 | Cybodog | valdyn how do I narrow the output of lspci -n ? |
| 21:35.50 | ecdemo | Covener: cool :) learned something new :) |
| 21:36.02 | ecdemo | now... wutsa runqueue? :) |
| 21:36.04 | Tallu| | I've never had to configure wireless on linux before, mostly because I've never had a laptop before. Anything I should take into consideration? I already found out that there aren't any drivers for the wireless chip, just some reverse engineered experimental thingies that I'll try installing after I've upgraded the kernel :P |
| 21:38.13 | ecdemo | Tallu|: (aside from "never buy any hardware that you don't know exactly how all operating systems you use or plan to use will support it"), howbout getting something that is better supported by an existing driver? |
| 21:38.18 | valdyn | Cybodog: the first numbers are identical to the lspci output |
| 21:38.31 | Cybodog | figured that out :) comming up valdyn |
| 21:38.36 | valdyn | Cybodog: the 00:14.0 |
| 21:39.18 | valdyn | Cybodog: your eth0 being your lo device ( 127.0.0.1 ) still is a bug i dont understand though |
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| 21:40.07 | ecdemo | Tallu|: having said all that, I'm somewhat interested in finding a wifi card with a supported chipset |
| 21:40.25 | Tallu| | ecdemo, well.. apart from the wireless chipset the support on the lenovo is great. And I could always use the ndis-wrapper but I'd rather not, no rfmon etc. Yeah I think I'll buy a prism chipset card when I manage to find a decent one |
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| 21:40.59 | ecdemo | valdyn: an unfortunate net interface rename, possibly? :) |
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| 21:43.33 | ecdemo | Tallu|: how can you be sure to get a prism? also, prism54 ok with linux? |
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| 21:43.48 | Cybodog | valdyn, 00:14.0 0680: 10de:0269 (rev a1) |
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| 21:44.17 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 21:44.17 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
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| 21:44.27 | ecdemo | youamluam? |
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| 21:44.45 | iamliam | o_O |
| 21:44.54 | Cybodog | valdyn, me either, that is why I am here :) All I want to do is dist-upgrade to sid, I think it will sort it out. |
| 21:44.58 | iamliam | iamliam, iamnotluam. |
| 21:44.59 | iamliam | <_< |
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| 21:45.21 | ecdemo | iamluam? |
| 21:45.25 | valdyn | Cybodog: see what dpkg said and paste that lspci line.. it sais forcedeth |
| 21:45.33 | Cybodog | doing valdyn |
| 21:45.41 | ecdemo | wait wait, iamecdemo! |
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| 21:45.51 | sanmarcos | lilo passed away? |
| 21:46.17 | valdyn | Cybodog: so your driver already worked it seems to me, but you're hitting some naming issue(s)? As i said, i didnt fully understand that part. |
| 21:46.21 | iamliam | youamecdemo, iamliam. |
| 21:46.43 | valdyn | Cybodog: also wiki.debian.org sais that your nic is support from 2.6.14 onward |
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| 21:47.19 | Cybodog | I was thinking about dpkg -i a newer kernel |
| 21:47.42 | Cybodog | valdyn, if I downloaded the latest image, should that be an issue to install like that? |
| 21:47.56 | valdyn | Cybodog: no idea, 2.6.16 should be fine.. |
| 21:47.58 | ecdemo | oh, how do I get an installed kernel image package to rebuild its initrd? |
| 21:48.35 | Cybodog | valdyn, oh, I see your point |
| 21:49.03 | Cybodog | ecdemo, reinstall using synaptic or apt-get? |
| 21:49.11 | valdyn | Cybodog: check dmesg, forcedth should have put info there and confirm that the driver is ok, and this is 'just' a naming issue |
| 21:49.27 | Cybodog | valdyn, will fish that out |
| 21:49.35 | ecdemo | maybe I'll go with an ext3 / |
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| 21:50.20 | valdyn | ecdemo: just dpkg-reconfigure that installed kernel image |
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| 21:51.02 | simon23 | hi there, how can i reinstall my kdelibs using apt while using kde ? |
| 21:51.10 | ecdemo | valdyn: ok... how would I go about making sure it includes xfs driver in the initrd? |
| 21:51.23 | simon23 | is there a command to reinstall (for apt)? |
| 21:51.37 | ecdemo | I guess I could mount the initrd and see if it already doew |
| 21:51.39 | ecdemo | s |
| 21:51.50 | valdyn | ecdemo: depends on which initrd tool you are using, each has configuration in /etc and a file listing modules to always include |
| 21:53.07 | Cybodog | valdyn, think I found something, I see an eth1: forcedeth ref, but NOT eth0, I bet eth0 is a firewire. |
| 21:53.13 | ecdemo | valdyn: module-init-tools_3.2.2-2bpo1 |
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| 21:54.33 | valdyn | ecdemo: dpkg -S /usr/bin/mkinitramfs |
| 21:55.05 | valdyn | ecdemo: ops, dpkg -S /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs |
| 21:55.05 | ecdemo | oh, to find the config file |
| 21:55.19 | valdyn | ecdemo: yea, module-init-tools is something else |
| 21:55.37 | ecdemo | it's runnign |
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| 21:55.56 | Cybodog | dchlient produces activity, but issuse no IP address |
| 21:56.36 | valdyn | Cybodog: ethtool or mii-tool can be used to see your hardware link status |
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| 21:57.09 | ecdemo | dpkg -s initramfs-tools |
| 21:57.09 | dpkg | There is no record of a initramfs-tools package |
| 21:57.21 | valdyn | ecdemo: eh? |
| 21:57.28 | valdyn | ecdemo: the result is initramfs-tools? |
| 21:57.41 | ecdemo | yeah, that package |
| 21:57.51 | valdyn | ecdemo: dpkg -L initramfs-tools | grep etc |
| 21:58.03 | GeroldKa | ping panthera |
| 21:58.21 | panthera | pong GeroldKa |
| 21:59.29 | valdyn | ecdemo: ok, that was just so you can figure this out yourself, add the module you want to be included to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and dpkg-reconfigure your kernel-image |
| 21:59.35 | ecdemo | there's a /etc/mkinitramfs, in that dir is scripts dir, hooks, conf.d and initramfs.conf |
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| 21:59.55 | ecdemo | no dir called modules |
| 22:00.08 | valdyn | ecdemo: a file should be there |
| 22:00.14 | valdyn | ecdemo: even if its not, create it |
| 22:00.40 | ecdemo | modules is a file? (in dir /etc/mkinitramfs that is) |
| 22:00.54 | valdyn | ecdemo: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
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| 22:01.15 | ecdemo | oh, how did I miss that |
| 22:02.24 | ecdemo | ahh, because there is no /etc/initramfs-tools in pkg initramfs-tools |
| 22:03.11 | valdyn | ecdemo: eh? |
| 22:03.12 | ecdemo | and also that dir does not exist on my machine |
| 22:03.19 | enouf | ecdemo: ls -al /etc/initramfs-tools |
| 22:03.36 | valdyn | ecdemo: now tell me the result of 'dpkg -S /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs' again |
| 22:04.04 | ecdemo | enouf: no such file or directory |
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| 22:04.24 | Cybodog | valdyn, ping by ip, internal network shows messages on eth0 of the problem box, but the target box shows no activity. |
| 22:04.26 | ecdemo | bear with me... I'm in single mode... no mousey |
| 22:04.29 | Cybodog | eth0 IS lo |
| 22:04.47 | Cybodog | very strange |
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| 22:05.12 | ecdemo | if you lift your computer... then your eth0 will be hi |
| 22:05.22 | enouf | valdyn : for me on 2.6.16-2-686 - your dpkg -S /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs shows exactly this [ initramfs-tools: /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs ] |
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| 22:05.35 | Cybodog | I propose to us interfaces to config eth0 with a static ip. Can you set the gatway via interfaces? |
| 22:05.45 | ecdemo | I'm running sarge with backports btw |
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| 22:05.54 | ecdemo | if that matters :) |
| 22:05.57 | valdyn | enouf: you have missing files |
| 22:06.20 | ecdemo | you mean me? |
| 22:06.28 | valdyn | enouf: iniramfs-tools DOES contain /etc/initramfs-tools/, purge and reinstall that package if you miss that directory |
| 22:06.47 | ecdemo | brb |
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| 22:07.39 | valdyn | Cybodog: yea, thats strange. I dont understand that error, use a different kernel, temporarily remove udev if its installed, reboot. See if one of those things fixes that. |
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| 22:08.11 | Cybodog | Weee, a strange issue, been a long time since I got that with debian |
| 22:08.29 | hjubal | bye |
| 22:08.34 | valdyn | Cybodog: see man interfaces on how to set gateway |
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| 22:10.21 | enouf | valdyn: the "dpkg -L initramfs-tools | grep etc" returns many files and dirs - it just doesn't show what's a file and what's a dir -- note I didn't compile this kernel - it's an initrd image -- here's the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/173405 |
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| 22:10.47 | ecdemo | purged/reinstalled. got it now |
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| 22:12.03 | enouf | valdyn: however following your lead ... I also did afterwards an 'ls -al /etc/initramfs-tools' results > http://pastebin.ca/173407 shows the modules file present |
| 22:12.17 | valdyn | enouf: nice |
| 22:12.41 | enouf | valdyn: :-) |
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| 22:13.13 | nanno | does anyone know how to change the date format in evolution?? |
| 22:14.33 | ecdemo | so /etc/initramfs-tools now exists... a dpkg -L does not show the modules file.. but ls does |
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| 22:14.59 | valdyn | ecdemo: not a problem |
| 22:15.10 | valdyn | ecdemo: the -L is just to fine the location of its config files |
| 22:15.16 | valdyn | ecdemo: the -L is just to find the location of its config files |
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| 22:16.05 | ecdemo | the -L is just too fine? :) |
| 22:16.18 | ecdemo | gotcha, tnx |
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| 22:16.41 | usr13 | i have new install, but empty sources.list |
| 22:16.46 | usr13 | How can I get it started |
| 22:16.50 | levander | If I've got some audio files I want to share between users, where would those go? In /var? |
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| 22:16.55 | ecdemo | find some sources :) |
| 22:16.56 | valdyn | usr13: run apt-setup |
| 22:17.17 | valdyn | levander: eh? |
| 22:17.28 | valdyn | levander: your home directory is fine |
| 22:17.40 | levander | valdyn: I'm asking for the appropriate directory for data shared between users. |
| 22:17.55 | levander | valdyn: yeah, and I could just put them in / also. |
| 22:18.14 | valdyn | levander: /var is not a good idea, most directories in / should be reserved to the management / to debian |
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| 22:18.35 | levander | valdyn: what tells me you don't know what you're talking about? |
| 22:18.50 | Dwonis | levander: If you want to put something custom in /var, use /var/local |
| 22:19.06 | Dwonis | levander: a subdirectory of /home is also a good choice |
| 22:19.07 | levander | Dwonis: that's probably a good idea |
| 22:19.12 | ecdemo | levander: the leprechan sitting on your shoulder? :) |
| 22:19.29 | Tallu| | Just removed windows for good from the laptop. I sure hope I can configure the wireless to work. :P |
| 22:19.51 | usr13 | valdyn: thanks |
| 22:20.15 | Dwonis | Tallu: Sure it will. All you have to do is download the drivers from... oh wait |
| 22:20.31 | ecdemo | levander: if you put files in dirs that dpkg is allowed to touch, yooullllllll beeeeeeeeeee sorrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeey |
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| 22:20.59 | valdyn | guess dpkg wont ever touch /var/local but it sure looks ugly |
| 22:21.17 | iturk | hi there is there any netlimiter for debian linux ?? |
| 22:21.37 | Dwonis | iturk: What do you mean by "netlimiter"? |
| 22:21.43 | ecdemo | sure... you can limit your net by disconnecting the box from it |
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| 22:21.53 | Dwonis | iturk: firewall? rate limiting? ifdown? |
| 22:21.56 | Tallu| | Dwonis, hehe. :P |
| 22:21.59 | levander | /var/www is commonly used for files specific to the machine that have nothing to do with dpkg |
| 22:22.02 | iturk | Dwonis: like to limit the amule upload |
| 22:22.07 | levander | /var/lib/svn is the same way |
| 22:22.25 | ecdemo | levander: that dir is owned by a debian package |
| 22:22.33 | iturk | Dwonis: in which category would you put that one ?? |
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| 22:22.52 | levander | ecdemo: /var/lib/svn isn't, it's one of a couple of places the subversion install doc recommends putting it |
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| 22:22.55 | ecdemo | the truth is you can put the files anywhere you want to... |
| 22:22.59 | Dwonis | iturk: I don't know specifically about amule, but http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.qdisc.html might have what youw ant |
| 22:23.04 | ecdemo | then you put it there? |
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| 22:23.07 | valdyn | !find /var/lib/svn |
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| 22:23.27 | ecdemo | guess what... /var/lib is owned by a debian package :) |
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| 22:24.01 | runya | HAHA THE WITCH IS DEAD |
| 22:24.14 | levander | ecdemo: so, you'd presonally be okay with putting it in /var/lib/audio? |
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| 22:24.40 | Dwonis | iturk: There might also be some frontend tools that simplify traffic shaping, but I've never used any. |
| 22:24.44 | ecdemo | personally? no... if it were me, I'd avoid all dirs debian owns |
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| 22:24.59 | Dwonis | ecdemo: I use /../ |
| 22:24.59 | valdyn | levander: a directory in /var/lib not owned by a debian package right now is not guaranteed to not be overwritten by a debian package in the future |
| 22:25.05 | Dwonis | ecdemo: dpkg will never go there |
| 22:25.17 | ecdemo | Dwonis: that's / :P |
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| 22:25.31 | welly | Hello all.. trying to install the most current version of ruby onto a debian server. am fairly new to all this so anyone have any pointers? I assume I can either download the source and install or through apt-get? |
| 22:25.33 | Norbert_ | anyone else having problems with vim? |
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| 22:25.54 | iturk | Dwonis: We says -> you need to do your shaping on the *inner* interface of your router, the one that sends data to your own computers. |
| 22:26.20 | ecdemo | welly: if the version you want isn't available officially, yes, you can build yourself... or you can check backports.org |
| 22:26.31 | welly | ecdemo: ok thank you |
| 22:26.44 | welly | ecdemo: how would I check apt for the versions available? |
| 22:27.07 | Dwonis | iturk: Impossible to do directly. Read the HOWTO: you can't stop other machines from sending packets to you, but you can limit what you send to them _based_ on what they send to you, in order to indirectly control what they send you. It's called "traffic policing". |
| 22:27.11 | ecdemo | under the build category, you can build from plain non-debianized source or you can get the debianized source and build a package and install it |
| 22:27.50 | welly | ecdemo: lol cheers, that doesn't mean much to me but i've found some stuff on apt so i'll have a read |
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| 22:28.27 | iturk | Dwonis: so its like what you send to them will change what you receive in amount |
| 22:28.36 | ecdemo | welly: I'm just saying that one of your choices is to build a debian package and then install that |
| 22:28.47 | welly | ecdemo: oh ok.. i'm with you |
| 22:28.49 | welly | cheers! |
| 22:28.51 | Dwonis | iturk: Yes, if they're using TCP and you rate-limit, for example, ACKs. |
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| 22:30.22 | haldrik | hello |
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| 22:30.35 | Dwonis | iturk: basically, you can selectively drop packets, but you can't stop others from sending them to you in the first place. If they're using TCP, though, dropped packets == congestion == slow down, so it does what you want. YMMV with other protocols. |
| 22:30.56 | haldrik | I want to know the way to use ascii code in linux, alt+code |
| 22:31.04 | levander | How do I delete a file by inode? |
| 22:31.17 | Dwonis | haldrik: You don't. Install gucharmap, or modify your keymap, and use that. |
| 22:31.32 | iturk | Dwonis: so its inside the TCP behaviour if you drop to many packets the sender will send them in a more slow mode |
| 22:31.40 | Dwonis | iturk: right |
| 22:31.40 | haldrik | Dwonis: thanks |
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| 22:32.06 | Miles_Prower | Q: quickest CLI way to block a specific IP address from reaching your port 80? |
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| 22:32.21 | Guerin | Miles_Prower: echo ip.add.re.ss >>/etc/hosts.denied |
| 22:32.23 | haldrik | Dwonis: but, this package modify my keymap? |
| 22:32.35 | Dwonis | haldrik: If you're using the shell, you might be able to do something like `echo -en '\033'` to add the ESC character (033 is octal for 27 decimal) |
| 22:32.44 | ecdemo | hosts.deny more likely |
| 22:32.56 | iturk | Dwonis: this seems to play the game http://linux.maruhn.com/sec/shapecfg.html |
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| 22:33.00 | Dwonis | haldrik: no, gucharmap gives you a list of Unicode characters, which you can copy-and-paste in X |
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| 22:33.17 | haldrik | Dwonis: ok, but I need that on X using konsole |
| 22:33.57 | ecdemo | why? |
| 22:34.06 | Dwonis | iturk: It might be. IIRC, the traffic shaping interface might have changed in 2.4 or 2.6, though, so a program designed for Linux 2.1 might not work. |
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| 22:34.38 | iturk | Dwonis: its in my ubuntu apt-cache so i will test it |
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| 22:35.16 | haldrik | Dwonis: I need to use this under X using konsole |
| 22:35.35 | Dwonis | haldrik: I heard you the first time. I'm not sure how it's relevant. |
| 22:35.58 | row | what version of gcc is 2.6.17-2-k7 made with? |
| 22:36.03 | Miles_Prower | Guerin, Did that, netstat still shows them making massive connections to www |
| 22:36.19 | valdyn | row: are you running that kernel? |
| 22:36.19 | haldrik | Dwonis: but I need it :P |
| 22:36.28 | row | valdyn: yes |
| 22:36.32 | enouf | valdyn : just ran a dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` - I wonder what actually just happened - results here http://pastebin.ca/173431 - not bad results , but curious ... BTW - I looked over /boot/grub/menu.lst afterwards and didn't notice any changes (that's a nice :-)) |
| 22:36.34 | valdyn | row: type uname -a |
| 22:36.46 | Dwonis | haldrik: so? I already told you: use gucharmap |
| 22:37.01 | row | valdyn: that does not say with what version of gcc tho... |
| 22:37.04 | Guerin | Miles_Prower: wlel, next way would be to deny them in your apache conf |
| 22:37.18 | Miles_Prower | Guerin, I use lighttpd. Don't even have apache installed. |
| 22:37.36 | valdyn | row: sorry, 'cat /proc/version' |
| 22:37.49 | Guerin | Miles_Prower: oh, no idea then. |
| 22:37.57 | row | valdyn: cheers |
| 22:38.04 | Miles_Prower | Guerin, Is there anything your fix requires to be installed? |
| 22:38.19 | row | anyone use a bewan pci adsl card here and got the drivers working in debian unstable? |
| 22:38.29 | Miles_Prower | Guerin, like iptables or something? |
| 22:38.29 | valdyn | enouf: regenerates your initrd, edits /boot/grub/menu.lst if needed, runs update-grub |
| 22:38.42 | haldrik | Dwonis: sorry but I need to use alt+code under konsole |
| 22:38.50 | cydork | Miles_Prower, you can do that with iptables too |
| 22:38.54 | Guerin | Miles_Prower: no, i presume it should be able to limit connections to arbitrary ip addressses |
| 22:39.04 | Guerin | Miles_Prower: you could do it with iptables as well |
| 22:39.07 | Guerin | ah, as he said |
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| 22:39.51 | Miles_Prower | Guerin, cydork, what I have here is 1 bastard user making a jillion connects to webserver in a DOS-like method. I want to block their IP from reaching lighttpd. |
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| 22:40.10 | Dwonis | haldrik: You can copy-and-paste from gucharmap into konsole. If that's not good enough for you, then get the source code to konsole and implement it, or pay someone else to! |
| 22:40.13 | ecdemo | so I just found out that xfs.ko is already in the initrd image... I -guess- I could try / on xfs... but if I do that, how would I go about doing rescues? |
| 22:40.19 | cydork | Miles_Prower, and try adding ALL: ipaddress to hosts.deny |
| 22:40.32 | Guerin | Miles_Prower: iptables -A INPUT -s ip.add.re.ss -j DROP # untested |
| 22:40.37 | haldrik | Dwonis: good answer |
| 22:40.51 | haldrik | Dwonis: ok, I will use gucharmap |
| 22:40.53 | Guerin | cydork: heh. There's no substitute for rrtfm, is there |
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| 22:41.05 | cydork | Guerin, nope :) |
| 22:41.13 | Miles_Prower | cydork, .deny instead of .denied as Guerin said? |
| 22:41.23 | enouf | valdyn: thank you for that ... thank goodness I'm acutely aware of the "Automagic" section of menu.lst - and I've taken the necessary precautions prior (awhile ago) for update-grub will kill any kernel options one added, UNLESS you add the option(s) in the section of menu.lst designed just for that :-) |
| 22:41.30 | ecdemo | and as I said too, yes. |
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| 22:42.04 | ecdemo | man hosts_access for all the gorey details |
| 22:42.12 | cydork | Miles_Prower, actually the file name is hosts.deny Guerin misspelled it |
| 22:42.48 | nekostar | wtf |
| 22:42.51 | nekostar | lilo is dead?? |
| 22:42.58 | ecdemo | apparantly |
| 22:43.18 | Guerin | nekostar: KUATBT |
| 22:43.23 | cydork | nekostar, when did that happen? how? |
| 22:43.26 | nekostar | Guerin, eh? |
| 22:43.31 | Guerin | !kuatbt |
| 22:43.31 | dpkg | it has been said that kuatbt is Keep Up At The Back There! |
| 22:43.35 | nekostar | cydork, i just heard |
| 22:43.48 | ecdemo | car hit him while he was riding bike |
| 22:44.03 | nekostar | fuck |
| 22:44.09 | ecdemo | head injury at the time (sept 12), |
| 22:44.30 | ecdemo | passed sept 16 |
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| 22:45.07 | ecdemo | at one time he lived a block and a half from me |
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| 22:48.12 | Eddie | does anyone know a solution to the kacpid taking 100% cpu problem? |
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| 22:49.34 | Guerin | Eddie: boot with acpi=off |
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| 22:50.53 | Eddie | Guerin: then my usb mouse dies |
| 22:51.03 | Guerin | Eddie: modprobe usbhid |
| 22:51.18 | Eddie | k lemme try that |
| 22:51.20 | iturk | Dwonis: thanks shapecfg works !! |
| 22:51.42 | Dwonis | iturk: it does? cool; you're welcome |
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| 22:56.06 | xaque | how do init scripts in debian work? |
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| 22:57.05 | MatBoy | damn, my system is again crashing after a new install when I use kde for some minutes. It hangs and xorg is 100% again. I had this before with my last install in the beginning |
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| 22:58.10 | Guerin | Miles_Prower: what branch? |
| 22:58.13 | Guerin | MatBoy: |
| 22:58.28 | MatBoy | Guerin, branch ? |
| 22:58.28 | Guerin | xaque: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 22:58.40 | Guerin | MatBoy: sarge/etch/sid/other |
| 22:58.52 | MatBoy | Guerin, etch |
| 22:58.54 | xaque | Guerin: awesome, thanks |
| 23:00.16 | laitment | I have weird problems with mod_ruby... sometimes the program doesn't write a file that I tell it to, sometimes it doesn't rerun the if statement like I want it to, as if its caching the pages. And a weird thing about is that it works precisely as it should on my Gentoo installation. |
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| 23:01.00 | MatBoy | Guerin, I thought I solved it last installation by upgrading all packages form a non-free mirror |
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| 23:02.45 | Eddie | Just booted without acpi |
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| 23:02.55 | Eddie | modprobe usbhci doesnt solve my lack of usb mouse sadly |
| 23:03.05 | Eddie | erm usbhid sorry |
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| 23:03.42 | Eddie | anyone got any ideas? |
| 23:04.00 | Guerin | Eddie: mousedev as well; sometimes you even need psmouse, stupidly |
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| 23:04.08 | Guerin | Eddie: do other usb things work? |
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| 23:04.30 | Eddie | no such mod as mousedev |
| 23:04.41 | Guerin | MatBoy: that shouldn't have anything to do with it, unless you're running braindead notdebian video drivers |
| 23:04.48 | Eddie | I havent anything else I can test sadly, other than a usb gamepad if thats any use |
| 23:04.49 | dan2 | Rest in Peace LILO |
| 23:04.50 | Guerin | Eddie: what kernel? |
| 23:04.50 | dvs | Eddie: which kernel? |
| 23:04.58 | MatBoy | Guerin, Nvidia @ the moment :) |
| 23:05.02 | Guerin | MatBoy: use nv |
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| 23:05.11 | MatBoy | Guerin, nah.. |
| 23:05.20 | iturk | Eddie: attach it and look dmesg result !! |
| 23:05.21 | MatBoy | Guerin, it worked before perfectly ! |
| 23:05.24 | Guerin | MatBoy: my help stops as soon as you use shiteware like that |
| 23:05.38 | Eddie | Linux Enterprise 2.6.15-26-386 #1 PREEMPT Thu Aug 3 02:52:00 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:05.57 | MatBoy | Guerin, it's a normal coversation... RELAX man ! |
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| 23:06.20 | cydork | Eddie, which version of debian are you running? |
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| 23:06.39 | dvs | cydork: it's obviously not debian |
| 23:06.52 | cydork | dvs, hehe i bet it's ubuntu |
| 23:06.55 | Guerin | Eddie: is that a debian kernel? |
| 23:07.22 | iturk | Guerin: you mean distribution |
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| 23:07.38 | Guerin | iturk: no. |
| 23:07.56 | MatBoy | Guerin, why should it be a Debian-kernel ? |
| 23:08.08 | Guerin | MatBoy: because we don't support things that aren't debian in here., |
| 23:08.15 | Guerin | for obvious reasons |
| 23:08.21 | iturk | Guerin: if you look in kernel.org there is no debian kernel |
| 23:08.22 | MatBoy | Guerin, damn, that is really short !!! |
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| 23:08.50 | cydork | iturk, debian kernel mean the kernel which packaged with debian |
| 23:08.53 | Eddie | ok |
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| 23:08.59 | Eddie | hooking up the pad does nothing |
| 23:08.59 | Guerin | iturk: debian releases kernels, which we support. Others, built by individual users or other distros, we don't. |
| 23:09.02 | Eddie | nothing in dmesg |
| 23:09.04 | MatBoy | Eddie, new install ? |
| 23:09.11 | Eddie | not since the ethernet connected |
| 23:09.15 | cydork | Eddie, are you using ubuntu? |
| 23:09.27 | Guerin | MatBoy: not really, debian is the biggest single aggregation of compatible software in the world. |
| 23:09.30 | iturk | Guerin: so its a installed kernel by apt-get install that you support |
| 23:09.40 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 23:09.40 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 23:09.41 | MatBoy | Guerin, why de you decide if I will support him with it ? |
| 23:10.00 | MatBoy | de=would (damn bad typing :)) |
| 23:10.01 | Guerin | MatBoy: because you're in #debian, too. If you want to support his random kernel, do so in ##linux |
| 23:10.14 | MatBoy | Guerin, no, it;s Debian related also |
| 23:10.18 | Guerin | MatBoy: nope. |
| 23:10.39 | MatBoy | Guerin, sorry, I don't get you... nvidia is alos supported here |
| 23:10.41 | MatBoy | also |
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| 23:10.49 | Eddie | sorry guys lagged out |
| 23:10.53 | Eddie | hooking up the pad does nothing |
| 23:10.57 | Eddie | nothing in dmesg |
| 23:10.59 | MatBoy | Eddie, it was your mouse.. :P |
| 23:11.10 | Guerin | MatBoy: not really. The installation procedure, which is released and maintained by debian, is supportable, but the actual driver itself is out of our control. |
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| 23:11.45 | MatBoy | Guerin, that is a typical... hey... I don't know it anymore... I will not help you additude... |
| 23:11.49 | Eddie | MatBoy: yeah, I know but hooking up the pad proves its a usb issue in general |
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| 23:12.03 | Guerin | MatBoy: it's a typical "I want to limit my help to things I actually know about" attitude |
| 23:12.08 | MatBoy | Guerin, NT-system administrators talk like that |
| 23:12.08 | cydork | Eddie, are you running debian? |
| 23:12.27 | Guerin | MatBoy: as opposed to just randomly guessing about all sorts of shit I don't know about, which is what you suggest. |
| 23:12.30 | Eddie | cydork: ubuntu |
| 23:12.39 | dvs | !beer cydork |
| 23:12.45 | Guerin | MatBoy: wouldn't know, never been one. |
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| 23:12.56 | Guerin | Eddie: ask in fucking #ubuntu then |
| 23:12.57 | MatBoy | Guerin, be relaxed |
| 23:13.03 | Guerin | MatBoy: i am relaxed. |
| 23:13.06 | Eddie | cydork: not thoroughbred debian, but the guys at ubuntu dont know how to answer this question |
| 23:13.11 | MatBoy | Guerin, in your opninion |
| 23:13.12 | MatBoy | ;) |
| 23:13.22 | cydork | !they don't know |
| 23:13.22 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 23:13.27 | cydork | Eddie, ^^ |
| 23:13.36 | cydork | :) |
| 23:13.40 | Eddie | Guerin: fucking #ubuntu - no such channel |
| 23:13.52 | MatBoy | cydork, it;s quiet here.. so let's give it a try |
| 23:14.03 | MatBoy | Eddie, what if you boot with a stock-kernel ? |
| 23:14.07 | Guerin | Eddie: it sucks to be using a distribution with incompetent support |
| 23:14.18 | MatBoy | Eddie, I guess you have the default one also ? |
| 23:14.20 | cydork | MatBoy, he is not running debian.. |
| 23:14.23 | Guerin | MatBoy: go and help him in private or something |
| 23:14.42 | Guerin | there's been too much bandwidth wasted over this already |
| 23:14.52 | Eddie | Guerin: it does, sadly |
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| 23:15.12 | MatBoy | Guerin, talking about bandwith... are you also breefing every spammer personally about his duties ? |
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| 23:15.32 | cydork | Eddie, install debian :) |
| 23:15.33 | Guerin | MatBoy: you're lumping yourself in with the spammers now? That seems appropriate. |
| 23:15.42 | Eddie | Somebody get Guerin a stepladder, so he can climb off his high horse without spraining anything |
| 23:15.42 | MatBoy | Eddie, but the stock-kernel... does everything work than ? |
| 23:15.46 | Guerin | Eddie: i echo cydork'd excellent advice. |
| 23:16.14 | Guerin | Eddie: why is it a high horse to say 'go to the proper place'? |
| 23:16.22 | xaque | where do I sed my lc_all variable? |
| 23:16.28 | Guerin | Eddie: would you ring IBM service for help with your HP printer? |
| 23:16.29 | MatBoy | Guerin, guy that complain about spammers are also talking about bandwith... it really doesn care me if someone is trying to SSH a box or sends a small spam |
| 23:16.49 | Eddie | Guerin: No, but if they sore at me they'd be hearing about it |
| 23:16.52 | Eddie | *swore |
| 23:16.54 | Guerin | MatBoy: your sentence sense no makes |
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| 23:17.06 | cydork | Eddie, if you are running ubuntu we really cant help you join #ubuntu for ubuntu related questions |
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| 23:17.09 | MatBoy | Guerin, you are wasting bandwith here... you are NO help |
| 23:17.30 | Guerin | Eddie: that's what happens when you pay for service, Since you didn't pay anyone in debian, I tell you, on behalf of #debian regulars, to fuck off to #ubuntu. |
| 23:17.35 | Guerin | ah |
| 23:17.37 | Guerin | it worked |
| 23:17.41 | MatBoy | cydork, I agree, but I think it's wise for him if he can check if everything works with a stock-kernel |
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| 23:18.15 | MatBoy | Guerin, damn... your speaking against yourself :P hehe :D |
| 23:18.21 | Guerin | ~your |
| 23:18.23 | apt | i guess your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 23:18.52 | dvs | Guerin: yo mama |
| 23:18.56 | MatBoy | ah, Guerin is a "He look at me, I'm always the smartguy :) " |
| 23:19.02 | clav | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.04 | cydork | MatBoy, read topic. Just because #ubuntu doesn't solve the problems doesn't mean they come here. |
| 23:19.19 | clav | doh! |
| 23:19.21 | dvs | !beer clav for showing us his password |
| 23:19.32 | Guerin | MatBoy: being smart is good. |
| 23:19.33 | MatBoy | cydork, I agree with you, but not with Guerin ;) |
| 23:19.38 | cydork | clav, your nick is mine :) |
| 23:19.57 | MatBoy | Guerin, haha... as long as you think that of yourself it's allright with me... haha.. |
| 23:20.09 | Guerin | MatBoy: thanks for your permission. |
| 23:20.14 | cydork | :) |
| 23:20.23 | Guerin | MatBoy: but I think you mean 'Alright' |
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| 23:20.32 | MatBoy | cydork, damn, you don't get any beer anymore :) |
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| 23:22.03 | cydork | MatBoy, i am usually drunk :) |
| 23:22.07 | chaos_ | what package includes the source tree for the 2.6 kernel? |
| 23:22.18 | MatBoy | cydork, ah OK :P hehe.. so you are used to it :P |
| 23:22.31 | MatBoy | cydork, it makes life easier or not ? |
| 23:22.38 | dvs | chaos_: kernel-source-2.6-* |
| 23:22.42 | cydork | MatBoy, yes it does.. |
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| 23:22.51 | Guerin | linux-source-2.6.* nowadays, I think |
| 23:22.55 | Guerin | in !sarge |
| 23:22.58 | cydork | chaos_, or linux-source if you are using etch |
| 23:23.19 | cydork | s/etch/etch||sid/ |
| 23:23.20 | MatBoy | !beer Guerin until he gets so f*cking drunk that he doesn't talk here anymore for 2 weeks :D |
| 23:23.39 | MatBoy | thanks cydork for the idea :) |
| 23:24.12 | Dwonis | MatBoy: The "bandwidth" that people refer to isn't really their internet bandwidth, but the bandwidth of the channel between the computer and their brains. |
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| 23:24.33 | MatBoy | Dwonis, hehe :) |
| 23:24.44 | MatBoy | Dwonis, is that so expensive than ? :P |
| 23:24.48 | Guerin | MatBoy: that's a lot of beer. |
| 23:25.10 | Guerin | I blame SUVs |
| 23:25.53 | Dwonis | MatBoy: It is if you value your time, and take into account the time you can't spend filling the channel with more useful information because you've spent it reading a going-nowhere Ubuntu thread on #debian |
| 23:25.57 | xaque | if I want to apt something by source, where do I need to put a 'source' and where can I get a list of 'sources' ? |
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| 23:26.24 | Dwonis | xaque: /etc/apt/sources.list. Copy your "deb" lines and change the new ones to "deb-src" |
| 23:26.31 | cydork | xaque, add deb-src to sources.list and use apt-get source to get sources. |
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| 23:26.46 | cydork | xaque, or use apt-build to install from source |
| 23:26.48 | Dwonis | xaque: then run apt-get update or aptitude update |
| 23:27.26 | Dwonis | MatBoy: s/spend/spend that time/ |
| 23:27.26 | xaque | is aptitude good? |
| 23:27.30 | MatBoy | Dwonis, damn.. not so difficult on this hour here :) |
| 23:27.42 | Guerin | xaque: yes. |
| 23:27.46 | MatBoy | Dwonis, ah... I don't look that much on typo's :) |
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| 23:28.10 | cydork | xaque, aptitude is better than others acutlly |
| 23:28.12 | clav | how could one make localhost:/var/cache/apt/archives an apt source for boxes in /etc/hosts? |
| 23:28.41 | w32 | have any of you ever used the package OTRS on debian ? |
| 23:28.45 | tuv | clav, consider using apt-proxy |
| 23:28.54 | cydork | clav, use apt-move then you can create a local repo |
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| 23:29.16 | Dwonis | xaque: be careful with aptitude. If you've run "apt-get install some-package" (or maybe it only happens with build-dep), aptitude tends to want to uninstall some-package because it's not "selected" |
| 23:29.39 | xaque | so apt-get source iptables && apt-build iptables |
| 23:29.44 | clav | tuv, cydork, thanks i'll check into those |
| 23:29.45 | Dwonis | xaque: if you're using aptitude, use "aptitude install some-package" instead of "apt-get install some-package" |
| 23:30.02 | xaque | so I should use one or the other always |
| 23:30.08 | Dwonis | !tell w32 about ask |
| 23:30.09 | Guerin | xaque: yes.\ |
| 23:30.11 | cydork | xaque, no just use apt-build |
| 23:30.19 | xaque | I noticed that the download size of all packages for kde differed by like 100 mb |
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| 23:30.43 | Guerin | xaque: aptitude is set to haul in recommends: by default, i think |
| 23:30.50 | Guerin | which is stupid, but neverthyeless |
| 23:31.01 | cydork | well goodnight guys. |
| 23:31.07 | dvs | Guerin: doesn't dselect do that too? |
| 23:32.41 | w32 | Dwonis: I installed otrs and now the apache2 default (/apache2-default/) when I try to go to /otrs/installer.pl its says the url was not found. |
| 23:32.43 | xaque | when I do update-rc.d iptables default, I get a perl warning about an LC_ALL = (unset) message, wqhere do I set the variable or ake that warning stop? |
| 23:32.56 | Guerin | dvs: people still use dselect? |
| 23:33.15 | dvs | Guerin: I get your point |
| 23:33.38 | Dwonis | w32: /etc/init.d/apache2 reload? Other than that, I dunno. I've never used otrs. |
| 23:34.00 | w32 | Dwonis: right that was my first thought too, but no luck |
| 23:34.03 | w32 | thanks |
| 23:34.06 | azeem | Guerin: yes |
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| 23:34.10 | Dwonis | w32: you might need to run a2ensite or a2enmod or something |
| 23:34.11 | JimPanic | man? :\ |
| 23:34.49 | w32 | perhaps |
| 23:34.54 | w32 | I'll try |
| 23:35.01 | JimPanic | Woah wtf |
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| 23:35.21 | JimPanic | I just answered to a question 3 days ago! *kicks his backbuffer* |
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| 23:35.49 | Guerin | hehe |
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| 23:37.57 | w32 | dwonis: either of them do it, I swear some of these packages are purposely vague-perhaps I overlooked something,pebkac error:-) |
| 23:38.41 | w32 | thanks for the effort |
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| 23:41.46 | Strider22 | I have installed Debian Base. |
| 23:41.58 | dvs | !beer Strider22 |
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| 23:42.06 | Strider22 | What is the best way to control the rest of the install. |
| 23:42.22 | Strider22 | ie I |
| 23:42.26 | dvs | Strider22: you mean install more packages? |
| 23:42.31 | Miles_Prower | the best way to control it? |
| 23:42.37 | Strider22 | ie I'd like to edit a list and then let it go. |
| 23:42.45 | Strider22 | tasksel is too big |
| 23:42.45 | Miles_Prower | install base and then go package by package.. |
| 23:42.51 | dvs | Strider22: aptitude |
| 23:42.51 | dn4 | http://www.babagene.net/download/wallpaper/Abstract%2004.jpg |
| 23:43.33 | Strider22 | I was hoping to just edit the tasksel list but it doesn't work that way. |
| 23:44.37 | Strider22 | I guess just a script... apt-get install package1 etc etc |
| 23:44.51 | Strider22 | Is that good enough? |
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| 23:45.22 | Strider22 | How do I tell in advance if a package is interactive during the install? |
| 23:46.08 | Strider22 | hmmm. dvs pass over that beer. looks like a long night. |
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| 23:46.59 | gpfeif | I am downloading 3.1r3 (sarge) for i386, and I notice that there are two versions of the first three disk images. for example: |
| 23:47.22 | gpfeif | for example: debian-3.1r3-i386-1.iso AND debian-update-3.1r3-i386-1.iso |
| 23:47.34 | Miles_Prower | http://deaikei.biz/up/up/2020.zip.html <- FairUse4WM 1.2 password is password, this one's to strip DRM from Windows 9, 10 and 11 files |
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| 23:48.06 | gpfeif | Am I to assume that the "update" version fixed the issue with the extra files in the first version? |
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| 23:48.47 | Monie | #NintendoXG |
| 23:51.09 | gpfeif | Hi everyone. I didn't mean to send my question as three different posts, so I am compiling them in one. |
| 23:51.10 | gpfeif | I am downloading 3.1r3 (sarge) for i386, and I notice that there are two versions of the first three disk images. for example: |
| 23:51.12 | gpfeif | debian-3.1r3-i386-1.iso |
| 23:51.13 | gpfeif | debian-update-3.1r3-i386-1.iso |
| 23:51.15 | gpfeif | Am I to assume that the "update" version fixed the issue with the extra files in the first version? |
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| 23:55.00 | b0red | #lilo-mourning |
| 23:55.12 | KungPhoo | hi |
| 23:55.27 | dvs | b0red: is there an official announcement? |
| 23:55.30 | KungPhoo | how do I install "libgl1-mesa-glx" on a stable? |
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| 23:55.59 | azeem | !+info libgl1-mesa-glx stable |
| 23:56.01 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 23:56.03 | dpkg | Package 'libgl1-mesa-glx' does not exist. |
| 23:56.08 | azeem | KungPhoo: you cannot |
| 23:56.13 | KungPhoo | not? |
| 23:56.17 | KungPhoo | OK |
| 23:56.19 | azeem | it does not exist |
| 23:56.26 | KungPhoo | how can I get glx to work on stable? |
| 23:57.28 | KungPhoo | no way? |
| 23:57.33 | azeem | KungPhoo: probably xlibmesa-gl and xlibmesa-dri |
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| 23:58.15 | KungPhoo | it's downloading. Might have been a good guess |
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| 23:59.23 | MatBoy | damn, xorg is locking the whole system up every time :S |
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| 23:59.51 | MatBoy | OK, it locks only KDE 100% up |
