| 00:00.28 | section31 | how do i print out epochtime ? |
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| 00:01.43 | KungPhoo | echo epochtime |
| 00:01.58 | MatBoy | strange thing is also that I can't kill Xorg from a SSH-sessions :S |
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| 00:03.09 | azeem | MatBoy: tried kill -9 ? |
| 00:03.25 | MatBoy | azeem, let's see :) |
| 00:03.56 | KungPhoo | azeem: No. glxinfo still is not working |
| 00:04.03 | MatBoy | azeem, :) thanks ! |
| 00:04.08 | KungPhoo | Xlib extension "GLX" missing |
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| 00:04.32 | MatBoy | azeem, I see a lot of problems about this, is it VGA-driver related ? |
| 00:04.43 | azeem | MatBoy: I don't know |
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| 00:04.51 | MatBoy | azeem, OK :) |
| 00:04.52 | jelly | Who says spam sucks? I quote: "At this supreme moment he had an inspiration, derived from the memory of the otter." |
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| 00:05.07 | azeem | KungPhoo: did you select the glx module in your config? |
| 00:05.14 | MatBoy | azeem, problem is in the kernel |
| 00:05.17 | KungPhoo | good point |
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| 00:05.35 | |ryan| | I remember getting a spam offering to "Aplify your pebnis" |
| 00:05.43 | |ryan| | er |
| 00:05.50 | |ryan| | "Amplify your pebnis" |
| 00:05.54 | MatBoy | |ryan|, you must be very lucky with it :) |
| 00:05.58 | KungPhoo | There was no "Load dri and no load glx" |
| 00:06.04 | KungPhoo | I added them both, O? |
| 00:06.15 | MatBoy | |ryan|, do you have a pebnis ? |
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| 00:06.43 | keith80403 | Just upgraded a basic Sarge system to Unstable, want to install Xwindows and Gnome - am running aptitude install x-window-system-core && aptitude install x-window-system. What else do I have to do? Is there a Gnome meta package to install afterwards? |
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| 00:07.02 | MatBoy | keith80403, unstable ? you must be crazy :) |
| 00:07.12 | plugwash | how do i find out the reverse depends for a package? |
| 00:07.23 | keith80403 | MatBoy, It's a test machine (-: |
| 00:07.32 | MatBoy | keith80403, hehe, use etch than :) |
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| 00:07.57 | jelly | plugwash: apt-cache showpkg package, I think |
| 00:08.00 | azeem | !install gnome |
| 00:08.01 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 00:08.05 | azeem | keith80403: ^^ |
| 00:08.08 | hjohnson | welp, my amd64 is alive.. but it's gonna be a pain to migrate it over to amd64. :( |
| 00:08.24 | keith80403 | azeem, Thanks |
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| 00:09.03 | plugwash | is setting up X handled as part of the install nowadays or does the user have to login at the console and install it manually using a tool like apt? |
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| 00:09.31 | |ryan| | I'm not exactly sure what a pebnis is, or why mine would need to be amplified. |
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| 00:10.05 | dvs | plugwash: you can set it up as part of the install |
| 00:10.38 | dvs | |ryan|: must be audio equipment |
| 00:10.41 | KungPhoo | azeem: BINGO! BINGO!!!! I've been strugging with that problem for 3 days now! It runs! |
| 00:10.56 | dvs | KungPhoo: What problem? |
| 00:11.15 | KungPhoo | running glxgears on stable (xbox) |
| 00:11.16 | hjohnson | question becomes.. how to roll forward my configuration as quickly and easily as possible. |
| 00:11.51 | keith80403 | MatBoy, Got X installed (-: |
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| 00:12.03 | denmaeth | I hosed my system debian 3.1 trying to install hplip 1.6.7 while trying to meet dependicy problems.I just got a new printer trying to make it work. whats my choices to fix it. |
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| 00:12.42 | xaque | what is the package I need to install for bash syntax hilighting in vim ? |
| 00:12.50 | denmaeth | reinstall or can i do a distro upgrade? |
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| 00:13.01 | chuckyp | Is there a way to purge uninstalled packages with aptitude? |
| 00:13.02 | b0red | #lilo-funeral |
| 00:13.11 | deadcat | xaque: you just enable syntax |
| 00:13.29 | xaque | deadcat: where? |
| 00:13.37 | deadcat | xaque: syntax on |
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| 00:14.35 | chuckyp | Anyone know how to purge uninstalled packages with aptitude? |
| 00:14.51 | xaque | deadcat: thanks |
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| 00:15.41 | kevsthabest | hey guys,, there isnt any linux alternative's in opening .daa files right? |
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| 00:16.12 | MatBoy | :) |
| 00:16.20 | mikeX | hello, is there a way to force removal of a package despite pre-removal script errors? |
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| 00:16.48 | MatBoy | Guys, I have some great news.... 2.6.17-2 can lock xorg... so KDE will be locked and you need a reboot by logging on on SSH or RESET-button |
| 00:16.54 | deadcat | kevsthabest: man aptitude. purge will purge all the stuff |
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| 00:17.06 | MatBoy | the 2.6.16-2 has no problems with it |
| 00:17.13 | kevsthabest | wront person, i wasnt the one who asked:P |
| 00:17.22 | MatBoy | so when you have a locking system..... this is the answer :) |
| 00:17.24 | deadcat | oh |
| 00:17.36 | kevsthabest | i asked about .daa images |
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| 00:18.01 | MatBoy | !beer MatBoy for his great research :p |
| 00:18.11 | b0red | #lilo-funeral |
| 00:18.34 | MatBoy | b0red, damn, go back and be bored... I'm already crying |
| 00:18.41 | MatBoy | :( |
| 00:18.59 | dvs | MatBoy: dont' cry in your beer |
| 00:19.16 | plugwash | mikeX delete /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename>.prerm |
| 00:19.39 | MatBoy | dvs, I think Lilo would think it's a waste of that beer... but I want to do it for him... My beer doesn care ! |
| 00:19.42 | MatBoy | 't |
| 00:19.57 | MatBoy | damn... I going back to my Linux box and install xchat there again |
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| 00:20.05 | MatBoy | f*cking windows |
| 00:20.24 | dvs | ops MatBoy is using windows |
| 00:20.33 | mikeX | thanks plugwash |
| 00:21.20 | MatBoy | dvs, my Debian system crashed because of mdadm that had a bug :) |
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| 00:21.35 | MatBoy | so I wiped my parents from their workstation |
| 00:21.46 | dvs | mdadm has a bug? I hope it's not in stable |
| 00:21.48 | MatBoy | because I payd it :P |
| 00:22.05 | b0red | #lilo-funeral |
| 00:22.11 | MatBoy | dvs, nope, I thought it wasn't .... just don't reboot |
| 00:22.31 | dvs | o_O |
| 00:22.36 | MatBoy | dvs, that screwed my system 100% |
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| 00:23.04 | dvs | MatBoy: 20:22:52 up 53 days, 35 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 00:23.12 | MatBoy | dvs, you get a UUID error and you never get rid of it... even when you chroot and change them manually |
| 00:23.18 | MatBoy | dvs, nice time |
| 00:23.27 | MatBoy | mine was up for 175 days :) |
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| 00:23.32 | dvs | MatBoy: so far, so good! |
| 00:23.48 | MatBoy | dvs, indeed, but be warned... it cost me a week to find out |
| 00:23.58 | MatBoy | or, OK, 2 days... but I was sick of it |
| 00:24.28 | MatBoy | I had no girl to make her life more bad while I was having great sex... so damn... it sucked |
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| 00:24.44 | MatBoy | no, it even didn't suck... I didn had the girl for it :( |
| 00:24.47 | tuv | guys.. are these desktop uptimes? or server's? |
| 00:24.53 | kevsthabest | anyone have experience with running poweriso on wine? |
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| 00:25.03 | MatBoy | tuv, here is was a WS and server for homeuse |
| 00:25.22 | MatBoy | tuv, workstation was up for 90 days |
| 00:25.38 | amphi | tuv: I've had over 90 days on my laptop... |
| 00:25.41 | tuv | MatBoy, with a graphical desktop env.? |
| 00:25.47 | dvs | amphi: o_O |
| 00:25.55 | MatBoy | tuv, and twice vmware :) |
| 00:26.10 | amphi | dvs: until googleearth ate my uptime ;) |
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| 00:26.17 | MatBoy | tuv, and that on a celeron ;) |
| 00:26.20 | tuv | MatBoy, don't you run any memory-hungry apps? |
| 00:26.32 | tuv | MatBoy, it's never about the cpu, it's the memory |
| 00:26.34 | MatBoy | tuv, I do, but it empties very good |
| 00:26.44 | MatBoy | tuv, I have 2GB... enough |
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| 00:26.53 | tuv | MatBoy, hmm.. makes sense now |
| 00:26.59 | plugwash | anyone know if there is any chance of getting the gaim 2.0 betas in etch (they seem to be in expermental atm) |
| 00:27.05 | tuv | MatBoy, although it's never enough with memory |
| 00:27.09 | MatBoy | tuv, me = not a sissy :D |
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| 00:27.16 | dvs | MatBoy: Oh? No wonder why the uptime was so high. It was working at normal speed! ;-) |
| 00:27.18 | MatBoy | tuv, runs great |
| 00:27.22 | aurax | hello |
| 00:27.28 | aurax | can anyone help me out where i set global MAXCONNECTIONS ? |
| 00:27.54 | aurax | saying something about : The OS enforces a limit on max open files |
| 00:28.12 | Guerin | aurax: oh. um, i know this |
| 00:28.17 | Guerin | aurax: ulimit |
| 00:28.20 | MatBoy | dvs, hehe... I needed a P4 3,2Ghz because they are so cheap and it;s enough for a workstion with vmware and Photoshop... so OK, I placed it, installed a .17 kernel and upgraded my system... mdadm bug... damn |
| 00:28.27 | aurax | saying unlimited |
| 00:28.45 | MatBoy | dvs, SO DON'T REBOOT !!! |
| 00:28.50 | Guerin | aurax: there's something in /proc |
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| 00:29.07 | plugwash | aurax ulimit -n |
| 00:29.20 | MatBoy | dvs, find a girl that can suck you now... fast !! hurry ! |
| 00:29.22 | aurax | ok i see 1024 |
| 00:29.31 | aurax | now what .. hehe |
| 00:29.37 | Guerin | aurax: make it bigger |
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| 00:29.45 | plugwash | if you wan't it higher than the default for an app use ulimit -n as root and then su down to the user you wan't to run the app as from that shell |
| 00:29.51 | fourat69 | i have installed a new dhcp server in my lan network, i would like to let people only use dhcp, no static addressing should be possible, how can this be possible ? |
| 00:29.59 | MatBoy | ok, I'm gone here... Bill is almost killing me with the windows so far open and that cold air :) |
| 00:30.00 | Guerin | aurax: or better yet, stop using azureus |
| 00:30.07 | aurax | azureus? |
| 00:30.12 | aurax | what makes you think i'm using it |
| 00:30.16 | Guerin | aurax: that's the usual culprit |
| 00:30.21 | plugwash | note however that any app that uses select is likely to need modifying to cope with an increase |
| 00:30.24 | MatBoy | cu all ! |
| 00:30.30 | aurax | ja i can see |
| 00:31.01 | aurax | plugwash i dont understand... |
| 00:31.16 | aurax | root is sepose to set global maxconnection |
| 00:31.23 | aurax | i need like 2000 for certein user... |
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| 00:31.35 | aurax | but if root is locked on 1024 no other user can pass 1024 |
| 00:31.54 | aurax | for some reason.... |
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| 00:33.07 | aurax | can i do like ulimit -u user -n number? |
| 00:33.12 | kriel | may i ask a really off-topic question? |
| 00:33.23 | plugwash | aurax ulimit -n only sets it for the current shell, if you wan't it set at login time for a particular user i belive there is a config setting somewhere |
| 00:33.44 | aurax | uhm |
| 00:34.00 | Guerin | you can echo a number to something in /proc |
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| 00:34.26 | mutk | Ermm.. ulimit is a _shell_ limit.. |
| 00:34.27 | aurax | echo 'number' >> /proc/something ? |
| 00:34.33 | aurax | :p |
| 00:34.46 | plugwash | aurax there seems to be some info at http://freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml |
| 00:34.46 | mutk | 'man bash' Look for ulimit |
| 00:35.04 | aurax | thansk plugwash thats why it gave me error in the first place, ircd |
| 00:35.35 | plugwash | yeah ircds are one class of app that tends to hit the limit rather often |
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| 00:36.30 | plugwash | because they tend to serve all thier clients from one process (unlike say apache) and better ircds can handle over 20000 clients |
| 00:36.41 | mortal5 | if i wanted to install some codecs for mplayer to play wmv's and the like, where would i put them? |
| 00:37.02 | aurax | yeah threads thingie |
| 00:37.08 | aurax | but most ircd hosters wont allow more then one proc |
| 00:37.09 | mortal5 | isn't it like /usr/lib/codecs/win32? |
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| 00:39.46 | ChrisWhite | /usr/lib/win32 |
| 00:39.55 | ChrisWhite | least that's the default unless you change it |
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| 00:39.59 | mortal5 | really? ty |
| 00:40.50 | section31 | > how would I do something like this in bash.. myvar = 2 * (3 - 2) |
| 00:41.33 | zinx | myvar=$[ 2 * (3 - 2) ] |
| 00:41.39 | hjohnson | ok, is there a way to dump which packages I have installed, so I can re-install the same packages? |
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| 00:41.51 | zinx | note: that's bash. probably not sh. |
| 00:41.54 | dvs | hjohnson: dpkg --get-selections |
| 00:41.58 | dondelelcaro | !+reinstall |
| 00:41.58 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 00:42.15 | dondelelcaro | hjohnson: you can also /msg dpkg installed; if you want to have an idea how to do it with aptitude |
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| 00:42.43 | hjohnson | basically I want to rebuild my amd64 machine as quick as I can. :P |
| 00:42.52 | hjohnson | I'm thinking of backing up my /etc and the package list. |
| 00:43.05 | jelly | ksh has myvar=$(( 2*(3-2) )) ... does that too. |
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| 00:43.26 | jelly | s/\.\.\./... bash/ |
| 00:43.35 | hjohnson | my biggest concern is being able to recover my data drive.. |
| 00:43.50 | dondelelcaro | hjohnson: for that, I just do: aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > foofile; then transfer foofile; then xargs aptitude --mark-only install < foofile; then go from there |
| 00:44.23 | hjohnson | ahh, cool, thanks |
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| 00:44.37 | hjohnson | ok, so md should handle the raid 5 thanks to the superblocks on the drives, cool |
| 00:45.11 | hjohnson | only question becomes lvm2 |
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| 00:48.12 | section31 | jelly, that works thanks |
| 00:48.36 | section31 | jelly, how do i do a comparison like if [$var1 -lt $var2] |
| 00:48.39 | section31 | that gives me an error |
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| 00:49.29 | chuckyp | hrm... bit of a problem. I have some packages that I removed however; i didn't purge them. Is there a way I can purge all uninstalled packages? |
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| 00:50.05 | plugwash | you can purge packages by name with dpkg -P packagename |
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| 00:50.25 | plugwash | don't know of any command to purge all packages that aren't installed though |
| 00:50.38 | chuckyp | crapola one by one then I guess |
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| 00:52.15 | chuckyp | Okay what about a way to do a grep and search for something with a space in it i.e. dpkg -l | grep "rc " < I need the trailing space |
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| 00:53.11 | aurax | ok this is annoying this ulimit thing |
| 00:53.32 | aurax | file size (blocks, -f) 0 |
| 00:53.37 | aurax | now i cannot even use man |
| 00:53.40 | aurax | and i cannot fix it |
| 00:53.45 | aurax | -bash: ulimit: file size: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted |
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| 00:56.32 | mkey | fuckjheads!!! |
| 00:56.40 | mkey | aurax, bist dud nbeu??? |
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| 00:58.46 | aurax | rofl |
| 00:58.53 | aurax | i think i figured it out |
| 01:00.53 | aurax | but how can i save perm ulimit |
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| 01:07.07 | Guerin | aurax: what did you do? |
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| 01:07.26 | Halitherses | why does ftp.debian.org pause? |
| 01:07.36 | Guerin | aurax: Halitherses because |
| 01:07.41 | Guerin | Halitherses: because |
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| 01:08.00 | doolph | hello |
| 01:08.04 | Heston | how would i find out which driver my pcmcia wireless lan adapter is using? |
| 01:08.16 | fourat69 | i have installed a new dhcp server in my lan network, i would like to let people only use dhcp, no static addressing should be possible, how can this be possible ? |
| 01:08.23 | doolph | anyone good with debian as firewall/router |
| 01:08.25 | Heston | lspci doesnt seem to show it |
| 01:08.29 | Halitherses | Guerin, yes, because why? ..... |
| 01:08.45 | Guerin | !why |
| 01:08.45 | dpkg | Because! |
| 01:08.48 | Guerin | see? |
| 01:08.53 | fourat69 | doolph, whatsup |
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| 01:09.14 | Guerin | Heston: lsmod and modinfo |
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| 01:09.43 | doolph | fourat69, I need any solution to shape bandwidth, IP/port/protocol based, download and upload |
| 01:09.43 | votra | i'm trying to building a new kernel but when i boot it i'm getting "init: no more processes left..." and init 1-6 are respawning too fast, anyone know what i'm missing? |
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| 01:10.02 | Heston | Guerin, i checked lsmod but i wasnt too sure if it was tere |
| 01:10.02 | doolph | shaper or cbq.init is working, but only for download |
| 01:10.12 | Guerin | Heston: is it working? |
| 01:10.12 | Halitherses | Guerin, is it to discourage people from using this server perhaps? |
| 01:10.21 | Guerin | Halitherses: the card, I mean. |
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| 01:10.28 | fourat69 | doolph, iptables can fit |
| 01:10.30 | Guerin | Halitherses: i don't know. which server? |
| 01:10.43 | Halitherses | ftp.debian.org |
| 01:11.00 | Heston | Guerin, yes |
| 01:11.25 | Guerin | Halitherses: ftp.debian.org is a round-robin of (i think) four servers |
| 01:11.33 | Guerin | Halitherses: then the module will be in lsmod |
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| 01:11.36 | Guerin | Heston: |
| 01:11.40 | PumpkinPie | is it a joke? |
| 01:11.42 | Heston | k |
| 01:11.46 | PumpkinPie | about lilo |
| 01:11.51 | streuner | http://freenode.net/news.shtml |
| 01:11.56 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: i don't think it's very funny. |
| 01:12.09 | doolph | fourat69, do you have any examples |
| 01:12.23 | Guerin | doolph: you want lartc.org |
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| 01:12.33 | Guerin | doolph: for all your questions, read that guide. |
| 01:12.43 | doolph | Guerin, yes I just print that crap |
| 01:12.48 | PumpkinPie | just wished it were |
| 01:12.52 | Guerin | doolph: it's not crap, it's What You Need |
| 01:13.17 | doolph | there's things that I cannot use because kernel patches |
| 01:13.33 | doolph | like IMQ |
| 01:13.47 | Guerin | doolph: use a debian kernel |
| 01:13.53 | doolph | that's why I am here, what's best for me |
| 01:13.55 | Guerin | doolph: anyway, iptables should work in any case |
| 01:14.08 | doolph | iptables + what else |
| 01:14.16 | hjohnson | ok... gonna down the box and build it as amd64 |
| 01:14.19 | hjohnson | wish me luck |
| 01:14.25 | Guerin | doolph: did you actually read the lartc? |
| 01:14.35 | hjohnson | ahh.. lartc |
| 01:14.41 | doolph | not whole thing |
| 01:14.47 | doolph | i am at page 80 |
| 01:14.52 | doolph | i mean 70 |
| 01:14.55 | Guerin | doolph: suggest you at least get an overview of your options |
| 01:15.14 | doolph | I tried few of them |
| 01:15.23 | doolph | but they seems that its not compatible with debian default |
| 01:15.32 | doolph | I really don't want recompile kernels and thing |
| 01:15.55 | doolph | there must something easier |
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| 01:22.43 | keith80403 | Where do I go to get help with Xorg on Debian Unstable? Radeon problems on a Dell D600 laptop. )-: |
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| 01:30.14 | talljon84 | Anyone able to tell me how to make dhcpd provide a given subnet to a specific interface only? aka different interfaces/subinterfaces get different subnet ranges? |
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| 01:31.38 | streuner | keith80403: why did you mention Radeon at all? |
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| 01:36.15 | Noriega | hello how do I get debian to ignore my soundcard? |
| 01:36.24 | Noriega | it somehow hates it |
| 01:36.40 | Noriega | i've added noapic and nolapic in grub, no difference |
| 01:36.41 | hobophobe | I'm just wondering what happens with kernel modules when you upgrade the kernel? ie if you go from 2.6.8->2.6.17 you'll have to re-build them all, but if you go from say 2.6.17-1 to 2.6.17-2 they'll remain? |
| 01:37.01 | Noriega | all I get is azx_get_response timeout repeated |
| 01:37.07 | streuner | Noriega: disable it in BIOTS |
| 01:37.15 | Noriega | my bios sucks |
| 01:37.17 | streuner | BIOS |
| 01:37.19 | Noriega | I can't to a thing in it |
| 01:37.23 | Noriega | it's a laptop btw |
| 01:38.20 | plugwash | what exactly do you mean by "it somehow hates it"? |
| 01:38.25 | plugwash | it crashes during startup? |
| 01:38.28 | amphi | Noriega: what do you mean, ignore it? not autoload modules for it? |
| 01:38.29 | streuner | ok, make sure that the sounddriver isn't loaded |
| 01:38.53 | Noriega | plugwash it prints "azx_get_response timeout" over and over again |
| 01:39.07 | Noriega | and "printk: 12 messages supressed" |
| 01:39.17 | Noriega | amphi yeah something like that |
| 01:39.34 | Noriega | ubuntu froze on the hotplug loading |
| 01:40.30 | RichiH_ | !es |
| 01:40.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:40.33 | amphi | Noriega: you could blacklist the modules in hotplug |
| 01:40.50 | Noriega | yes, but how? and where? |
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| 01:41.47 | eegore | I am running into a problem when I try to install on a flash frive |
| 01:41.53 | eegore | drive* |
| 01:41.54 | Noriega | I can access the debian hard drive from windows, so I can edit it there, but I have no idea what to put and where |
| 01:42.25 | amphi | Noriega: or you could boot with 'init=/bin/bash' |
| 01:42.44 | eegore | I keep getting installation step failed |
| 01:43.08 | Noriega | amphi in grub? |
| 01:43.19 | Noriega | I haven't even managed to get into any graphic mode |
| 01:43.28 | amphi | Noriega: add the modules to /etc/hotplug/blacklist I believe |
| 01:43.39 | Noriega | there is no such directory |
| 01:43.57 | hobophobe | what about /blacklist.d ? |
| 01:44.05 | hobophobe | (/etc/hotplug/blacklist.d) |
| 01:44.13 | Noriega | no hotplug direcoty |
| 01:44.31 | Noriega | /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist is the closest I get |
| 01:46.09 | eegore | Has anyone else hade issues installing to an IDE flash drive? |
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| 01:46.58 | hobophobe | eegore, I'm not experienced with this, but my suggestion would be to install to a regular drive and then migrate the installation to the flash drive. |
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| 01:47.59 | squisher | Noriega: try it in there, that should work as well |
| 01:48.10 | eegore | migrate as in dd? |
| 01:48.28 | Noriega | then what should I write? |
| 01:49.14 | squisher | Noriega: just create a new file, with a name you can remember (doesn't really matter) and put the module name in it |
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| 01:49.39 | Noriega | if I just place it there, probably it will never be read by debian |
| 01:50.03 | squisher | Noriega: Not true - note the ".d" at the end of the directory. That's a sign that it'll get scanned and all files in the directory will be read |
| 01:50.20 | Noriega | oh |
| 01:50.32 | Noriega | I still don't know what to write |
| 01:50.37 | Noriega | something hda-intel |
| 01:50.45 | squisher | Ok, do an "lsmod", which lists your modules |
| 01:51.02 | hobophobe | Noriega, I believe that you simply add the word "blacklist" followed by the name of the module to the file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 01:51.20 | Noriega | yeah there's a long list of those, I just don't know the name then |
| 01:51.22 | Noriega | of the module' |
| 01:52.00 | squisher | Noriega: run "lsmod | grep snd" and it will show you all your sound modules |
| 01:52.10 | Noriega | does the mbr disappear if I reformat the entire hard drive? |
| 01:52.22 | Noriega | thanks |
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| 01:52.36 | Kevin` | explain what you mean by reformat |
| 01:52.44 | Noriega | not reformat |
| 01:52.46 | Noriega | just format |
| 01:52.48 | goetter | what's the fastest way to get mplayer for debian (ARM)? |
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| 01:53.04 | Kevin` | well 'format' is usually an operation done on the partitions |
| 01:53.10 | Kevin` | so it wouldn't affect the mbr |
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| 02:12.41 | eegore | they certainly do not have a lot of howtos on this mode of install |
| 02:12.43 | rockstar_ | How do I change my domain name? |
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| 02:14.28 | hobophobe | If I want to allow a user write access to eg /dev/ttyS0 without needing to manually chmod the device after every boot, I'll need to modify the /etc/udev/rules.d/ file? The current line has a mode of 0666 and group of root? |
| 02:15.24 | rockstar_ | hobophobe, It should be something wierd like group of "dialup" or something. |
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| 02:15.55 | hobophobe | So you're saying I should modify the group and then add the user to that group? |
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| 02:16.32 | hobophobe | I am confused that the mode=0666 doesn't allow write access already, though |
| 02:17.18 | eegore | is thatere a diskless howto for installation for diskless drives? |
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| 02:17.42 | eegore | #there\ |
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| 02:17.50 | Xorm | Wow, neat. |
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| 02:18.14 | thingfish | what's neat |
| 02:18.20 | thingfish | debian? |
| 02:18.22 | thingfish | :) |
| 02:18.26 | Xorm | Well, obviously. |
| 02:18.29 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:18.34 | Xorm | That, and that this channel is here. |
| 02:18.34 | thingfish | hell yeah |
| 02:18.46 | Xorm | And that there are 600+ people in it. |
| 02:18.54 | thingfish | well sort of |
| 02:19.06 | rockstar_ | Hey, I'm trying to figure out how to change my domain name. Not sure how it got messed up... |
| 02:19.09 | hobophobe | eegore, the closest I could come with is there are some tutorials on installing debian to software raid by first doing a normal installation on normal disk and moving it over. basically you install normal, then you get the install working with your nonstandard, then you make the changes to get it to boot off the nonstandard. |
| 02:19.10 | Xorm | This is the biggest channel I've ever come across. |
| 02:19.10 | thingfish | 1% talks |
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| 02:19.15 | tulioBRA | Err http://ftp.br.debian.org sarge/main Packages |
| 02:19.15 | tulioBRA | 403 Forbidden |
| 02:20.14 | Xorm | rockstar_, are you within gnome? |
| 02:20.19 | eegore | hobophobe: using dd? |
| 02:20.29 | hobophobe | eegore, I'm not familiar with dd |
| 02:20.40 | eegore | diskdupe |
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| 02:20.49 | rockstar_ | Xorm, nope, I use e17. There's gotta be a file around here somewhere. |
| 02:20.55 | Xorm | ah |
| 02:20.55 | hobophobe | Oh, I don't believe so, at least they didn't mention it explicitly |
| 02:20.56 | tulioBRA | why is this offline ? |
| 02:21.04 | Xorm | I knew this at one point =| |
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| 02:21.53 | Xorm | If there's a file I'll bet it's in /etc. |
| 02:22.08 | rockstar_ | Xorm, yea, that's a given, but it's a tedious task... |
| 02:23.16 | tulioBRA | what is wrong with ftp.br.debian.org ? |
| 02:24.00 | cunzhang | hi,I use Debian sid and KDE,I configure konqueror behavior is opening a dir in another window,but it can't take effect |
| 02:25.06 | rockstar_ | cunzhang, I have no idea what you just meant to say. Can you restate. |
| 02:25.59 | Xorm | O_O I accidentally left audacity recording for a few hours. |
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| 02:26.24 | cunzhang | rockstar_,there is a konqueror running,then I click a directory,the konqueror running just take a tab for it,not in a new konqueror |
| 02:26.53 | cunzhang | rockstar_,I just want one dir in one konqueror |
| 02:27.08 | rockstar_ | Ah, do you have write permissions to your ~/.kde directory? |
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| 02:27.44 | rockstar_ | Xorm, Is your hard drive full now? |
| 02:27.48 | Xorm | no |
| 02:27.52 | cunzhang | rockstar_,yes |
| 02:27.57 | Xorm | It's 250GB |
| 02:28.02 | Xorm | and this is a fresh install |
| 02:28.06 | Xorm | so it'd take a awhile |
| 02:28.50 | cunzhang | rockstar_,all is 700 |
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| 02:29.31 | jnc | there's a joinbot / spammer named imega190 FYI |
| 02:29.47 | Xorm | really? |
| 02:29.49 | jnc | my question is, how do i force certain IRQs on a sound device? |
| 02:29.54 | rockstar_ | Hm, maybe try and reinstall |
| 02:30.20 | cunzhang | rockstar_,thank you |
| 02:30.31 | jnc | i'm running jackd on a sound device, and it seems to randomly alternate between living on its own IRQ, and sharing an IRQ with usb stuff (which then causes jackd to choke) |
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| 02:30.43 | Xorm | jnc, I think you can only change an IRQ by using a different PCI slot? |
| 02:30.49 | Xorm | Not sure though |
| 02:30.59 | Xorm | I remember reading about that happening in windows. |
| 02:31.17 | jnc | i would think that the slot doesn't make a difference, i know about as much as a n00b about it though |
| 02:31.50 | jnc | all i know is that randomly, depending on how the machine comes up, jackd either works or it does not work |
| 02:32.06 | jnc | looking further into it i noticed some differences that happen in /proc/interrupts |
| 02:33.14 | rockstar_ | How can I change my FQDN? It keeps coming up as localhost, and an fgrep "localhost" /etc/* doesn't return anything meaningful |
| 02:33.36 | jnc | /etc/hosts, unless you're assigned a DHCP address |
| 02:33.44 | jnc | some DHCP servers on certain routers have cached hostnames |
| 02:33.56 | jnc | your /etc/hostname contains the domain name |
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| 02:34.02 | Xorm | neat |
| 02:34.22 | Wyzard | That's something I've wondered about too... after a standard install of Debian, "hostname --fqdn" always returns "localhost.localdomain", and "hostname -s" always returns "localhost" |
| 02:34.31 | rockstar_ | jnc, would that also change my domain name? |
| 02:34.43 | Xorm | localhost Helios |
| 02:35.09 | rockstar_ | Wyzard, yea, and I need to change it... |
| 02:35.16 | Xorm | O_O |
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| 02:35.34 | jnc | rockstar_: well the thing is, if your hostname is cached in DHCP, it might be eating the DHCP name that's suggested |
| 02:35.38 | Wyzard | rockstar_: Well, it doesn't affect other computers' ability to look up yours in DNS... it just seems strange to me |
| 02:35.53 | tulioBRA | gotta go bye bye |
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| 02:35.59 | jnc | in theory though changing /etc/hostname will be interpreted on the next boot, and that sets your hostname |
| 02:36.12 | jnc | you can accomplish the same thing by running as root, "hostname mynewhostname" |
| 02:36.23 | rockstar_ | jnc, nah, DHCP isn't right now. |
| 02:36.25 | m1ke_l | can i change my mac addy inn /etc/network/interfaces with hwaddress ether 02:01:02:03:04:08 even if set to dhcp? |
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| 02:37.05 | rockstar_ | Well, I need to get my domain changed throughout all my systems... |
| 02:37.05 | jnc | m1ke_l: it should work |
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| 02:37.15 | m1ke_l | syntax? |
| 02:37.25 | jnc | that looked good to me |
| 02:37.29 | m1ke_l | after or before the iface entry? |
| 02:37.33 | jnc | man interfaces, if you have questions |
| 02:37.38 | m1ke_l | ok |
| 02:37.47 | jnc | it has helpful examples moreso than i can explain in a few lines on IRC |
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| 02:38.48 | pab | Does anyone know if ffmpeg is currently broke in sid? |
| 02:39.06 | Craigevil | pab , no it works just fine |
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| 02:40.01 | pab | Craigevil: Crap...back to google...thx |
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| 02:43.25 | gehidore | pounce me |
| 02:43.25 | gehidore | ! |
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| 02:44.04 | gehidore | hey get some oppage to ban iMega190 JA! |
| 02:44.06 | gehidore | hoorah |
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| 02:45.29 | rockstar_ | pab, are you using the debian-multimedia.org packages? |
| 02:46.06 | pab | rockstar: Marriatt(sp?)...yes |
| 02:46.15 | Xorm | sid? |
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| 02:46.24 | Xorm | Is that pre or post sarge? |
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| 02:46.50 | pab | made the mistake of doing an upgrade....now it wants to uninstall mythtv |
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| 02:47.04 | pab | and ffmpeg/transcode don't work |
| 02:48.00 | rockstar_ | pab, Yea, I think they officially moved the marilliat sources to debian-multimedia.org You shouldn't be getting sources from the other place now. |
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| 02:48.27 | rockstar_ | My ffmpeg works great, 32-bit and 64-bit versions, on three different computers, all up to date. |
| 02:49.10 | pab | rockstar: yah caught the change earlier....maybe try a reinstall of ffmpeg is what's needed |
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| 02:55.32 | stoned | debian sucks |
| 02:55.46 | Xorm | ... |
| 02:55.54 | tux | stoned, you'll be banned |
| 02:55.54 | Xorm | Any particular reason? |
| 02:55.55 | stoned | well its dead in here |
| 02:56.00 | stoned | I thoguth i'd wake ya'll up |
| 02:56.16 | Xorm | Are you trolling? |
| 02:56.18 | stoned | yes |
| 02:56.22 | Xorm | okay. |
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| 02:56.40 | stoned | !debstats |
| 02:56.40 | dpkg | i heard debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 02:57.33 | Xorm | So, stoned, is there any particular reason to say debian sucks, or is that just a convenient thing to troll with? |
| 02:57.41 | stoned | the latter |
| 02:57.49 | Xorm | I see. |
| 02:58.13 | stoned | sup man |
| 02:58.19 | stoned | fucking bored tonight man |
| 02:58.24 | eegore | is there an alternative to pastebin? |
| 02:58.26 | stoned | I'll pack a bowl or something |
| 02:58.29 | stoned | !paster |
| 02:58.29 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 02:58.35 | stoned | its faster |
| 02:58.37 | shingouz | eegore: #flood |
| 02:58.39 | jnc | eegore: there is also rafb.net i think |
| 02:58.47 | Xorm | I use rafb. |
| 02:58.52 | Xorm | http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 02:58.58 | stoned | I use the above url |
| 02:59.02 | stoned | its much faster |
| 02:59.15 | Xorm | rly? |
| 02:59.18 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 02:59.18 | dpkg | i guess dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
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| 02:59.24 | stoned | learn to use dpkg |
| 02:59.30 | stoned | its a great source |
| 03:00.08 | stoned | !popcon |
| 03:00.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 03:00.15 | stoned | that is also a good thing |
| 03:00.29 | shingouz | hmm... why, pray tell? |
| 03:00.49 | stoned | cuz .. your mom |
| 03:01.17 | shingouz | i do not have one, i was created out of old psu's |
| 03:01.21 | stoned | lol |
| 03:01.25 | eegore | http://rafb.net/paste/results/6JnGRD17.html this is the install syslog I get, could someone identify if there is a compatibillity issue with the flash drive? |
| 03:01.28 | Xorm | haha |
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| 03:01.54 | shingouz | i *did* minor in sarcasm |
| 03:02.01 | stoned | ouch |
| 03:02.12 | stoned | man it looks like your drive is umm. went kablooey |
| 03:02.20 | stoned | badblocks it seems, I might be wr ong |
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| 03:02.29 | stoned | unkown op code |
| 03:03.21 | stoned | wait this is not |
| 03:03.32 | stoned | Eva? |
| 03:03.36 | Xorm | Evangelion? |
| 03:03.43 | stoned | fuck anime |
| 03:03.43 | Xorm | as in Neon Genesis? |
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| 03:03.45 | Xorm | haha |
| 03:03.56 | stoned | god my roommate is always watching it |
| 03:03.59 | stoned | fucking tool |
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| 03:04.09 | pab | rockstar: just tried a reinstall of ffmpeg (I have amd64) and it failed with dependency libsdl1.2debian >1.2.10 what do you have in apt that has this version? |
| 03:04.10 | stoned | I shouldn't swear as much |
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| 03:04.53 | shingouz | eegore: a flash drive? as hda? what are you making linux do there? |
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| 03:07.03 | stoned | shingouz, is your nickname from japan |
| 03:07.04 | eegore | yes |
| 03:07.09 | shingouz | eegore: more specifically, if you have your system installed on a flash and you run your swap on the flash, you will eventually kill the thing |
| 03:07.11 | eegore | shingouz: yes |
| 03:07.17 | shingouz | shingouz: nope |
| 03:07.24 | shingouz | uh... stoned |
| 03:07.26 | shingouz | heh... |
| 03:07.29 | stoned | yes? |
| 03:07.38 | stoned | oh |
| 03:07.40 | eegore | I have the swap install on a secondary disk |
| 03:07.47 | stoned | haha, talking to yourself again I see |
| 03:07.48 | shingouz | stoned: no, my nick is not from japan |
| 03:07.56 | dendrite | eegore: Flash drives are only good for a certain number of writes... |
| 03:08.02 | shingouz | stoned: yeah. split personality. |
| 03:08.11 | Xorm | dendrite, how many really? |
| 03:08.17 | Xorm | in the thousands? |
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| 03:08.20 | eegore | shingouz: I am just using that for the base system files |
| 03:08.29 | dendrite | Xorm: Depends on the drive. Certainly tens of thousands. |
| 03:08.29 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:08.34 | stoned | dendrite, what a nickname man |
| 03:08.37 | Xorm | ah. |
| 03:08.42 | stoned | freaking neurons and cell bodies |
| 03:08.46 | stoned | synapses and what not |
| 03:08.51 | eegore | the var and home directories are on a hard drive |
| 03:08.58 | dendrite | Xorm: But it's a well known issue, and embedded devices have to be designed not to update flash more than necessary. |
| 03:09.01 | eegore | tmp is also there |
| 03:09.03 | shingouz | eegore: not sure but i think some logs are also being written and rewritten all the time. flash has a limited amount of read-write cycles |
| 03:09.08 | stoned | mylen sheaths and stuff |
| 03:09.10 | Dwonis | flash can last a long time if you don't write much of it very often |
| 03:09.10 | Xorm | hmm. |
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| 03:09.29 | Dwonis | most USB flash apparently spreads the writes over the entire flash chip, rather than rewriting the same cells over and over |
| 03:09.31 | eegore | var, tmp, and home are on ide1 |
| 03:09.34 | Xorm | So, each memory cell can only handle a certain number of writes? |
| 03:09.35 | dendrite | eegore: Note that updates for things like atimes count against the total... |
| 03:09.42 | Xorm | or using any cell at all counts as a write? |
| 03:09.47 | rockstar_ | Wow, I'm currently modding out a NES controller to be a mp3 player/belt buckle/gumstix pc... Awesomeness to the max timees 4 |
| 03:09.48 | shingouz | xorm yes |
| 03:09.51 | eegore | hdb |
| 03:10.07 | Dwonis | Xorm: I think it's each cell, but I've never worn out a flash chip enough to know for sure |
| 03:10.12 | dendrite | Xorm: That depends on the way the unit is designed. Some of the more sophisticated ones actually attempt to balance out write wear to different regions. |
| 03:10.12 | Xorm | hmm. |
| 03:10.14 | stoned | rockstar_, what now |
| 03:10.26 | stoned | rockstar_, im interested to knowing |
| 03:10.28 | stoned | er.. wtf |
| 03:10.36 | stoned | rockstar_, I'm interested in knowing about what you are trying to do |
| 03:10.52 | Dwonis | Xorm: It's probably per-cell, but I don't know, once you have a dead cell, if it hoses your ability to access the other cells. |
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| 03:11.04 | Xorm | I see. |
| 03:11.05 | Dwonis | Xorm: like dead IDE drive electronics can |
| 03:11.11 | eegore | I am trying to set this up as a router |
| 03:11.21 | eegore | dendrite: ^ |
| 03:11.27 | grynch | http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=196767&cid=16122682 just look at what this guy said about debian! |
| 03:11.32 | Xorm | magnetic RAM? |
| 03:11.48 | dendrite | Xorm: yeah, it's been demonstrated, I believe. |
| 03:11.49 | Dwonis | Xorm: Yup. IBM's been working on the stuff for a while now |
| 03:12.00 | Xorm | I thought that was the reeeally old stuff |
| 03:12.16 | dendrite | Xorm: You're thinking of ferrite core memory. |
| 03:12.19 | Dwonis | Xorm: heh... mram is not magnetic core memory |
| 03:12.25 | eegore | Dwonis: is will be a big boost to hand held devices as well as cell phones |
| 03:12.26 | Xorm | oh. |
| 03:12.46 | dendrite | Ferrite or iron, forgot which, actually. |
| 03:12.54 | Xorm | Wow, I feel like such a noob in here. |
| 03:12.57 | rockstar_ | stoned, I have an old NES controller that I'm playing with right now. |
| 03:12.59 | dendrite | Actual donuts of metal -- hence the name "core" |
| 03:13.05 | shingouz | eegore: unless, of course, some idiot installs winblowze on them... |
| 03:13.07 | eegore | I remember ferrite core memory |
| 03:13.15 | rockstar_ | Started out as just an mp3 player, but it's evolved. You ever seen a gumstix pc? |
| 03:13.20 | dendrite | eegore: Consider mounting flash components read-only? |
| 03:13.20 | Xorm | yeah |
| 03:13.23 | Xorm | those are cool |
| 03:13.32 | Xorm | they're like full computers in a tiny package, no? |
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| 03:13.54 | eegore | I plane to once it is configure |
| 03:14.01 | shingouz | eegore: you do not happen to run ext3 on the flash? the journals can also kill the flash |
| 03:14.15 | eegore | I will have the /etc on a cr-rw |
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| 03:14.41 | rockstar_ | Xorm, I've even got a JVM working on it. |
| 03:14.48 | eegore | can I instal on fat? and stil retain permisions? |
| 03:14.51 | Xorm | no sh0t? |
| 03:15.05 | shingouz | eegore: no but you could use ext2 on it |
| 03:16.02 | shingouz | eegore: tar the system off the flash, dd the thing full of zeroes, repartition/format and untar the system back. maybe the lowlevelling helps |
| 03:16.09 | rockstar_ | Xorm, it's got bluetooth built in -- Would like to add wifi. |
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| 03:16.26 | Xorm | Sounds like it'd be awesome for robotics. |
| 03:16.34 | rockstar_ | I'm using it mostly for an mp3 player. |
| 03:16.46 | Xorm | Overkill? O_O |
| 03:16.51 | rockstar_ | Howver, I have a BOE-bot with a Bluetooth module. Might also use it to control the robot. |
| 03:17.05 | Xorm | BOE-bot? |
| 03:17.06 | shingouz | Xorm: overkill is good |
| 03:17.16 | Xorm | Not for your wallet it isn't. |
| 03:17.27 | shingouz | boe? bluetooth over ethernet? :p |
| 03:17.39 | rockstar_ | Xorm, http://www.parallax.com - Robot powered entirely by one stamp. Mine obviously has a few modifications to it... |
| 03:18.09 | rockstar_ | shingouz, BOE actually stands for Board of Education - It's an educational robot I picked up for stamp engineering. |
| 03:18.17 | shingouz | oh |
| 03:18.20 | rockstar_ | I also work on a Stamp programming IDE for linux. |
| 03:18.21 | Xorm | oh. |
| 03:18.24 | Xorm | BASIC stamps? |
| 03:18.44 | Xorm | I tried working with PICs, never got past building the programmer T_T |
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| 03:19.11 | gpm | hey guys. dpkg-reconfigure won't let me reconfigure xserver-xorg, says it's already configured and won't update the file....what do i do?!?!? |
| 03:19.11 | rockstar_ | Xorm, yeah, Stamps are WAY easier than PICs. No real "burning" |
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| 03:19.35 | shingouz | gpm: have you hacked the config file by hand? |
| 03:19.37 | Xorm | PICs have flash memory too |
| 03:19.38 | eegore | shingouz: trying ext2, seeing if it balks |
| 03:19.50 | rockstar_ | gpm, debian does some wierd stuff with an md hash on the file. If you messed with it, you've got to mess with it again without dpkg |
| 03:20.10 | shingouz | eegore: hack the fstab to read ext2 instead of ext3 and the filesystem runs without the journals |
| 03:20.20 | gpm | shingouz: yeah |
| 03:20.24 | rockstar_ | Xorm, yea, but PICs are a bit harder to work with, and because there are so many different types, getting a good programmer is hard... |
| 03:20.30 | shingouz | !xmd5sum |
| 03:20.31 | dpkg | somebody said x md5sum was If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. Ask me about <xorgmd5> if ... |
| 03:20.33 | rockstar_ | Not too many open source modules. |
| 03:21.00 | gpm | annoying... |
| 03:21.14 | Xorm | hmm |
| 03:21.15 | rockstar_ | gpm, Not annoying sometimes. Sometimes it saves your bacon. |
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| 03:21.21 | Xorm | One thing MS makes that's great |
| 03:21.23 | Xorm | are mice. |
| 03:21.32 | shingouz | gpm: not really, without that safeguard it would be impossible to support the X |
| 03:21.32 | Xorm | I just love 'em. |
| 03:21.59 | rockstar_ | Xorm, so the bluetooth in the NES controller could also control the robot itself, AND play mp3s on the go from my belt as my belt buckle. |
| 03:22.22 | ice_1963 | what's that? |
| 03:22.23 | Xorm | That's neat. |
| 03:22.24 | shingouz | rockstar_: the most important question is: does it run Doom? |
| 03:22.29 | Xorm | haha. |
| 03:22.42 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 03:22.45 | rockstar_ | shingouz, No display... |
| 03:23.00 | rockstar_ | shingouz, I could use the iPod for that... |
| 03:23.17 | shingouz | rockstar_: ok, taht begins to sound hackish :) |
| 03:23.21 | eegore | Now I am starting to feel really dumbfounded and tired |
| 03:23.23 | Xorm | O-o |
| 03:23.23 | gpm | ok, i did md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum and then tried to dpkg-reconfigure, but it *still* didn't do it with the same message...what to do? |
| 03:23.32 | Xorm | You can play Doom on iPod specs? |
| 03:23.35 | rockstar_ | WHY would anyone want to play Doom on an iPod? Controls have to suck, but that's the main reason for iPodLinux, seriously... |
| 03:24.07 | shingouz | rockstar_: because you can :) |
| 03:24.09 | rockstar_ | Xorm, 3g iPods and above I believe. It requires flashing iPodLinux to it though... No thanks. Linux on my DS is enough. |
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| 03:24.19 | Xorm | hmm. |
| 03:24.25 | Xorm | speaking of doom |
| 03:24.33 | Xorm | I installed prboom vie apt-get |
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| 03:24.45 | Xorm | and around 30 seconds into the game it errs and dies. |
| 03:24.54 | rockstar_ | All this hardware hacking, linux programming, and STILL have time for a lovely girlfriend. |
| 03:25.06 | rockstar_ | prboom? Never even heard of it. |
| 03:25.12 | Xorm | It's a doom clone. |
| 03:25.27 | gpm | oh hey guys, it's compaining about /etc/X11/X, not /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but it won't update xorg.conf... |
| 03:25.37 | Xorm | write /dev/sequencer: Bad file descriptor |
| 03:25.37 | Xorm | write /dev/sequencer: Bad file descriptor |
| 03:25.37 | Xorm | I_SignalHandler: Exiting on signal: signal 11 |
| 03:25.37 | Xorm | I_ShutdownMusic: removing /tmp/prboom-music-7QISR9 |
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| 03:25.47 | Xorm | =| |
| 03:26.02 | ice_1963 | rockstar_, your busy :) |
| 03:26.16 | enouf | gpm : read read ... then /msg dpkg xorgmd5 |
| 03:26.17 | Xorm | okay. |
| 03:26.39 | Xorm | haha |
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| 03:27.00 | Xorm | WoW =| |
| 03:27.03 | shingouz | Xorm: is your sequencer actually working correctly? |
| 03:27.14 | Xorm | I don't know what my sequencer is O_o |
| 03:27.30 | Xorm | But it displays "bad file desc..." like 50 times. |
| 03:27.40 | enouf | gpm: last resort is use dexconf |
| 03:27.43 | rockstar_ | Hm, was wondering why my browsing stopped working, but IRC was still live. I forgot I shut down the DNS server to move it, and then haven't moved it yet... |
| 03:27.44 | shingouz | rockstar_: ever heard about a thing called 'sleep'? |
| 03:27.52 | Xorm | psh |
| 03:27.56 | Xorm | sleep is for humans |
| 03:28.02 | rockstar_ | shingouz, Girlfriend says sleep is for squares. |
| 03:28.19 | shingouz | heh |
| 03:28.37 | rockstar_ | I've often considered getting a bottle of Adderal from my flatmate who has ADD, but then I decide against drug use. |
| 03:28.56 | Xorm | I have ADD and no meds. >_< |
| 03:29.03 | Xorm | Caffiene seems to help though. |
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| 03:30.37 | ice_1963 | how stable is the kernel-image-2.6.17-2-k7 in sid ? |
| 03:30.47 | eegore | she has other ideas? |
| 03:30.51 | eegore | shingouz: ^ |
| 03:30.53 | Xorm | Is sid before or after sarge? |
| 03:31.03 | shingouz | ice_1963: it is not stable, it is sid |
| 03:31.11 | Xorm | oh |
| 03:31.15 | Xorm | So it's testing? |
| 03:31.15 | shingouz | Xorm: sid is always unstable |
| 03:31.20 | shingouz | no. unstable |
| 03:31.27 | Xorm | ah. |
| 03:31.34 | Xorm | oh wait |
| 03:31.44 | shingouz | Xorm: in other words, if you have to ask, do not run sid |
| 03:31.44 | Xorm | Is it that version that's never going to be released? |
| 03:31.49 | Xorm | haha |
| 03:31.50 | shingouz | correct |
| 03:32.02 | ice_1963 | well it run's good here :) |
| 03:32.04 | peterrooney | Xorm: sid breaks things. |
| 03:32.07 | dendrite | Xorm: sarge is current stable. Etch is current testing, and will become the new stable when it releases. Sid is unstable, and always will be. |
| 03:32.16 | Xorm | Thanks. |
| 03:33.30 | eegore | Sid is designed to break things in order to find the bugs |
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| 03:34.20 | dendrite | eegore: I'm not sure I'd say that Sid is "designed to break" -- except in the sense that Sid is where stuff gets its first real-world tests. |
| 03:34.29 | hjohnson | ahh |
| 03:34.36 | hjohnson | stupid me.. forgot to add the debian-keyring |
| 03:34.59 | goetter | is the rtorrent package broken? can't find a bug report |
| 03:35.14 | goetter | or more specifically, libtorrent8, rtorrent's depend |
| 03:37.25 | eegore | dendrite: you have to test it in the real world some way |
| 03:37.37 | dendrite | eegore: Yep, exactly. |
| 03:37.44 | eegore | I use sid to see if I can force the bugsd |
| 03:38.14 | dendrite | eegore: So that's why Sid is really only suitable for people who can hack their way out of the weeds when things break. |
| 03:38.43 | shingouz | eegore: and in dendrites last statement the keyword is *when* |
| 03:39.06 | eegore | or submit bug reports so as to inform the developers of an issues so it can be corrected quickly |
| 03:39.23 | dendrite | eegore: Good point. |
| 03:39.34 | shingouz | eegore: filing a bug report still leaves your system borked |
| 03:39.43 | dendrite | eegore: Of course, to submit a useful bug report you have to do a bit of digging, usually. |
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| 03:39.51 | eegore | that is why I have multiple boots |
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| 03:40.26 | shingouz | multiple boots! eww. unless that means different kernels, of course |
| 03:40.45 | eegore | The problem I have is running out of drives and slots for testing |
| 03:41.17 | eegore | I have reached the limit of this machine with seven drives |
| 03:41.28 | shingouz | eegore: scsi raid is the solution for that. with an external eclosure or additional drives |
| 03:41.34 | dendrite | eegore: Good grief! |
| 03:41.48 | rockstar_ | eegore, 7 DRIVES?! Wow, RAID cards or what? |
| 03:41.51 | shingouz | s/or/for/ |
| 03:42.04 | rockstar_ | eegore, just get separate systems for testing. |
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| 03:42.09 | rockstar_ | That's what I do... |
| 03:42.26 | eegore | rockstar_: I wish I had the space and money |
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| 03:42.33 | shingouz | same here but i tend to like old servers with scsi raid |
| 03:42.57 | shingouz | eegore: check your local friendly recycler |
| 03:43.31 | eegore | I would need a very expensive kvm to keep up |
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| 03:43.42 | shingouz | eegore: ssh |
| 03:43.53 | eegore | and vnc right? |
| 03:44.55 | rockstar_ | eegore, I scored a little book PC P4 2GHz for $200, and then I pick up people's old pcs. |
| 03:44.56 | mfrisch | I have a postfix ? here's the error. Sep 16 23:42:01 localhost fetchmail[3360]: SMTP connect to localhost failed |
| 03:44.56 | eegore | Solaris is a little buggy with vnc |
| 03:44.56 | shingouz | i usually just forward the X if i absolutely have to. usually plain cli is enough eegore |
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| 03:45.31 | shingouz | eegore: then stop using X and go cli |
| 03:45.36 | wols_ | mfrisch: there is no SMTP server running it seems. you can check by connectinr to port 25 on localhost with telnet |
| 03:45.41 | amphi | mfrisch: can you telnet to localhost 25? |
| 03:45.49 | rockstar_ | mfrisch, That's not very helpful... We need more info than that. |
| 03:45.53 | eegore | I have 4 systems that are cli only |
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| 03:46.30 | rockstar_ | eegore, Yea, I have five, and two with displays. One of those has dual display. x2x bridges both system's displays to one keyboard/mouse |
| 03:46.34 | dendrite | eegore: Have you played with a NSLU2? |
| 03:47.24 | eegore | dendrite: no but you peak my curiosity |
| 03:47.29 | mfrisch | wols_: rockstar_ what do I type to telnet.. telnet localhost:25 |
| 03:47.41 | wols_ | mfrisch: no. man telnet |
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| 03:47.54 | dendrite | eegore: The word is 'pique' :-) Anyhow, google for "debian slug" |
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| 03:48.40 | rockstar_ | mfrisch, I actually would use netcat, so it'd be nc ip_address 25 |
| 03:49.02 | eegore | dendrite: sorry |
| 03:49.11 | rockstar_ | dendrite, I have a Buffalo TeraStation, I prefer it over the NSLU2. |
| 03:49.24 | mfrisch | rockstar_: (UNKNOWN) [127.0.0.1] 25 (smtp) : Connection refused |
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| 03:49.36 | rockstar_ | mfrisch, Well, that means SMTP isn't running. |
| 03:49.40 | mfrisch | I just want mailscanner up |
| 03:49.42 | dendrite | eegore: Sorry? Nah. =) |
| 03:49.45 | rockstar_ | Or isn't listening on 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:50.05 | dendrite | rockstar_: Yeah, I have seen a bit of documentation about those. What do you like about it? |
| 03:50.05 | mfrisch | rockstar_: probally the latter |
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| 03:50.56 | eegore | I dont have that router, I have the the older befsr1 |
| 03:51.23 | dendrite | eegore: The slug isn't a router, it's a cheap low power (arm based) NAS. |
| 03:52.08 | mfrisch | rockstar_: I spaced something in main.cfg, I think I fixed it.. THANKS |
| 03:52.21 | dendrite | rockstar_: What?? No "kuro box" ??? =) (I'm reading the wikipedia page) |
| 03:52.42 | eegore | bauhas doing passenger |
| 03:53.00 | eegore | spider power web radio |
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| 03:53.26 | eegore | sonds almost like iggy himself |
| 03:53.43 | dendrite | rockstar_: Ah, Nice, internal drives in a RAID configuration. I can see why you'd like that... |
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| 03:56.37 | hjohnson | i'm in that boring part of a system install |
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| 03:56.50 | eegore | is debian sarge ==debian-31r2-i386 |
| 03:57.06 | Wyzard | yes |
| 03:57.08 | hjohnson | debian really needs to make a migration tool to go from intel32 to amd64 |
| 03:57.19 | dendrite | eegore: Except not necessarily i386 |
| 03:57.32 | RichiH_ | hjohnson: no, not really ;) |
| 03:57.41 | eegore | I am doing it on a K7 |
| 03:57.57 | hjohnson | RichiH_, I just had to rebuild the whole box after upgrading it to an AMD64. :P |
| 03:58.02 | hjohnson | it's a pain. |
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| 03:58.47 | hjohnson | oh well, bringing the system back up to date |
| 03:58.57 | hjohnson | I need to test the performance of my RAID now |
| 03:59.13 | eegore | I think Ubuntu did one but I think it is somewhere between etch and sid on stability and maturity |
| 03:59.16 | goetter | has anyone had luck installing the rtorrent package? it "depends" on libtorrent8, but libtorrent8 has been removed in favor of libtorrent9 |
| 03:59.55 | eegore | I see no reason to rush to 64 until the code and package maturity improves |
| 04:00.24 | Wyzard | goetter: That sort of thing happens occasionally in unstable... wait a few days and hopefully the maintainer of rtorrent will upload a new package that's built against libtorrent9 |
| 04:00.29 | Wyzard | goetter: File a bug maybe, and someone else can NMU it if the maintainer doesn't do it |
| 04:00.51 | goetter | why was libtorrent8 removed at all? |
| 04:01.30 | Wyzard | goetter: because it's obsolete and progress marches onward in sid |
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| 04:01.51 | Wyzard | goetter: same reason why libtorrent1 through libtorrent7 aren't there anymore |
| 04:02.22 | dendrite | goetter: I don't see it in BTS. This really would be a good bug for you to file. |
| 04:02.29 | goetter | i understand the need to progress and make more libraries available, but why remove an older version of the library when there are packages that still depend on it |
| 04:02.53 | goetter | (and this is obvious, since these two packages originate from the same developer) |
| 04:04.03 | Wyzard | goetter: Maybe the maintainer just forgot to upload the updated rtorrent... who knows |
| 04:04.16 | eegore | goetter: I simply create a link to the newer version that is representive in name ofthe older version |
| 04:04.38 | Wyzard | goetter: Anyway, file a bug against rtorrent (severity is grave, since it prevents the entire package from working) saying it needs to be rebuilt against libtorrent9 |
| 04:04.45 | goetter | eegore: how can i do that with apt-get? |
| 04:04.47 | goetter | Wyzard: how? :) |
| 04:04.59 | Wyzard | eegore: That's risky... the whole reason for the name change is because the new version isn't fully compatible with the old one |
| 04:05.01 | Rusty1 | goetter: what does apt-get -s -t unstable instable rtorrent say |
| 04:05.03 | Wyzard | goetter: reportbug |
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| 04:05.26 | Rusty1 | s/instable/install |
| 04:05.36 | Wyzard | ...umm, hang on, rtorrent in unstable *does* depend on libtorrent9, not libtorrent8 |
| 04:05.40 | eegore | you don't ln -s filename target |
| 04:05.51 | goetter | Wyzard: not the ARM version ;) |
| 04:06.03 | Wyzard | 0.6.1-1 ? |
| 04:06.09 | eegore | I have had to do that with lib dvdcss |
| 04:06.10 | dendrite | goetter: Ah, ARM. Always last at the table. :-) |
| 04:06.17 | goetter | 0.6.0-1: arm |
| 04:06.36 | goetter | dendrite: in this case hurd-i386 is last on the table ;) version 0.4.5-1 |
| 04:07.11 | goetter | Wyzard: still reportbug? |
| 04:07.11 | dendrite | goetter: Figures. |
| 04:07.51 | dendrite | goetter: It's a supported package that's broken on a supported platform, so yes. Be sure to note the platform. |
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| 04:08.28 | goetter | eh, i don't have any SMTP available here |
| 04:08.35 | goetter | i use webmail only |
| 04:08.45 | goetter | (re: reportbug) |
| 04:09.28 | goetter | Rusty1: last line of output is rtorrent: Depends: libtorrent8 (>= 0.10.0) but it is not installable |
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| 04:09.55 | linuxdesktop | will vpop mail compiled in 32 bit work if moved to a 64 bit system |
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| 04:10.23 | Wyzard | linuxdesktop: Only if you also have 32-bit versions of all the libraries it depends on |
| 04:10.34 | goetter | eegore: right, but which file do i link to trick apt-get into thinking i have libtorrent8 (when i actually have libtorrent9)? |
| 04:11.12 | Wyzard | goetter: Don't hack up your system to trick apt into installing things it shouldn't... just report the bug and wait a few days |
| 04:11.13 | dendrite | goetter: A symlink isn't going to fake out apt-get. |
| 04:11.14 | hjohnson | I hate this stuff though. |
| 04:11.28 | hjohnson | putting out the fires on a system migration |
| 04:12.06 | goetter | Wyzard: i know nothing about my smtp server |
| 04:12.18 | goetter | which makes reportbug a little cumbersome |
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| 04:12.31 | dendrite | goetter: Still doable though. |
| 04:12.45 | goetter | just noticed that ;) |
| 04:14.07 | eegore | goetter: yould try installing it concurrently but you may have to manually edit the program settings that access the libraries |
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| 04:14.35 | eegore | goetter: try linking first to see if it works |
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| 04:16.41 | Rusty1 | goetter: isn't just building from a tarball an option if you're in a hurry? |
| 04:17.29 | eegore | goetter: are you using sid? |
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| 04:17.38 | goetter | eegore: yeah |
| 04:17.59 | eegore | I would not recomend that as my work machine |
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| 04:18.07 | goetter | Rusty1: i might :) compiling lots of tarballs is not fun on an ARM, and it's complaining about lacking openssl (which is installed via apt) |
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| 04:18.24 | goetter | Rusty1: and i don't want to compile/install libssl from source just to satisfy that |
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| 04:19.00 | goetter | Wyzard: reportbug all but locks up my system when "Getting status for rtorrent..." I'll do that when i sleep |
| 04:19.02 | Wyzard | goetter: Compiling libssl from a source tarball won't satsfy an apt dependency anyway |
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| 04:19.10 | goetter | it's not an apt dependency |
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| 04:19.16 | Wyzard | goetter: You can use another system to report the bug |
| 04:19.16 | goetter | it's a ./configure dependency for rtorrent |
| 04:19.25 | Wyzard | Oh, you're compiling rtorrent from source now |
| 04:19.51 | goetter | Wyzard: i'll try any possible solution. i actually tried that before coming here. is there a http interface to report a bug? |
| 04:19.56 | Wyzard | goetter: Install libssl-dev |
| 04:20.14 | eegore | I am under the impression that this old K7 system does not want to be cooperative |
| 04:20.22 | Wyzard | goetter: Use a different computer, such as the one you're IRCing from now, to report the bug |
| 04:20.35 | goetter | i'm ircing from the computer with the problem |
| 04:20.43 | goetter | the other machine i have is a windows xp machine. |
| 04:20.52 | goetter | i don't suppose there's an xp reportbug client? |
| 04:21.19 | eegore | I run a copy of windows xp inside of vmplayer |
| 04:21.21 | onweald_tim | Is there any way to do floating point math in bash? I found $(( x + y )) but I need floating point. |
| 04:21.49 | eegore | onweald_tim: yes |
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| 04:22.24 | Wyzard | goetter: Or just run "nice reportbug" and wait awhile... if your box is slow, it's slow |
| 04:22.53 | onweald_tim | eegore: And would you be willing to share that knowledge? The bash manual says integer only math. |
| 04:22.57 | goetter | Wyzard: it's a disk bottleneck methinks |
| 04:23.12 | eegore | try cshell |
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| 04:23.33 | goetter | is there really no web interface to report a bug? |
| 04:23.34 | jair | hello guys the command to reboot the machine and force fsck is shutdown -Fr now? |
| 04:23.59 | onweald_tim | eegore: Not an option. Is the "yes" then if I use cshell? |
| 04:24.08 | Wyzard | goetter: Not that I know of, but all reportbug really does is send a specially-formatted email, so you could just look at some existing BTS entries to learn the format, and construct one yourself |
| 04:24.11 | onweald_tim | eegore: and no if I use bash? |
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| 04:24.33 | Wyzard | goetter: It's really not just an option to run reportbug and wait a little while? It isn't all that disk-intensive. |
| 04:24.33 | eegore | There may be a packege that can do floats |
| 04:25.20 | Rusty1 | onweald_tim: ask on #bashscripts |
| 04:25.32 | eegore | onweald_tim: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/mathc.html |
| 04:25.57 | amphi | onweald_tim: bc(1) |
| 04:25.59 | jair | it is anyone here experienced with vmware ESX / |
| 04:26.00 | jair | ? |
| 04:26.01 | jair | hahhaa |
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| 04:26.23 | Wyzard | I use VMware, but not ESX |
| 04:26.24 | jair | that is a very bad joke I am sorry guys, but normally debian people knows about everything :) |
| 04:26.38 | jair | yes I am running ESX now sorry |
| 04:26.42 | unix_infidel | ESX Is pretty expensive, and not exactly a debian specific question. |
| 04:26.43 | onweald_tim | Thanks gang. Looks like I get to load a package. |
| 04:26.49 | jair | I will check on the #vmware |
| 04:26.58 | unix_infidel | heh :) |
| 04:27.23 | jair | yes but I am running vmware 2.5.2 workstation on debian sarge ;) |
| 04:27.25 | jair | nicely |
| 04:27.30 | onweald_tim | eegore: Thanks for the help. bc isn't loaded so I guess it is separate. |
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| 04:28.01 | eegore | I new it was something I had to put in |
| 04:28.20 | Wyzard | jair: 2.5? |
| 04:28.42 | Wyzard | jair: You know they're up to version 5.5 now? |
| 04:29.17 | doolph | anyone good with bandwidth shaping with debian? |
| 04:29.37 | eegore | onweald_tim: when you need to do a lot of advance functions, you end up scripting a lot |
| 04:29.41 | jair | Wyzard: I am wrong I am using 5.5.2 |
| 04:29.44 | jair | sorry |
| 04:29.51 | jair | I am confuse with my ESX boxes |
| 04:30.03 | jair | but 5.5.2 is running nicely |
| 04:30.28 | Wyzard | hmm, I didn't know they'd released a version past 5.5.1 |
| 04:30.31 | Wyzard | I should upgrade |
| 04:31.15 | jair | Wyzard: yes I am using the 5.5.2 |
| 04:31.17 | jair | :) |
| 04:31.21 | jair | installed today |
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| 04:33.11 | eegore | I think I have had enough mucking with that box for now, going to give it a rest |
| 04:34.39 | toraton | Hm. This might not be a welcome question, but here goes: What's the deal with nvidia drivers and debian these days? |
| 04:35.06 | Wyzard | toraton: They're available as packages |
| 04:35.49 | Xorm | omgtoraton |
| 04:35.59 | Xorm | Hi! |
| 04:36.19 | toraton | Hi Xorm :) |
| 04:36.56 | toraton | Wyzard, Well, I installed the package and it supplies me with nvidia.ko, which I can modprobe, but Xorg can't find/use it even after I've modprobed it |
| 04:37.02 | toraton | Wyzard, any suggestions? |
| 04:37.11 | toraton | Wyzard, Sorry, sorry, failed to mention that I am running etch. |
| 04:37.18 | toraton | I'm sure that makes a difference, please don't hate me :P |
| 04:37.19 | Xorm | Hmm |
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| 04:37.44 | Xorm | So, the generic nv drivers won't have full support for the video card in use? |
| 04:37.48 | Wyzard | toraton: Sounds like you installed the nvidia-kernel package, which provides the kernel module |
| 04:38.01 | Wyzard | toraton: You also need nvidia-glx, which provides the xorg driver that utilizes the kernel module |
| 04:38.33 | toraton | You know, whenever I grab nvidia-glx, it can't find it in the repo. |
| 04:38.51 | toraton | E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate |
| 04:38.56 | toraton | Yup, that's the message. |
| 04:39.22 | wols_ | toraton: etch? |
| 04:39.31 | toraton | Xorm, nope. The 'nv' driver doesn't have 3d acceleration. |
| 04:39.34 | toraton | wols_, yup. |
| 04:39.36 | Xorm | =( |
| 04:39.42 | Xorm | That explains some things. |
| 04:39.44 | wols_ | sorry. didn't read logs |
| 04:39.44 | toraton | Please don't tell me to switch to stable :( |
| 04:39.48 | toraton | Oh, phew. |
| 04:39.50 | wols_ | !why is nvidia-glx not in etch |
| 04:39.50 | dpkg | wols_: what are you talking about? |
| 04:39.54 | wols_ | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 04:39.55 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 04:40.04 | toraton | Ah, excellent. |
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| 04:40.35 | wols_ | the two main choices are: install the one from sid, and run the nvidia installer from nvidia.org |
| 04:40.42 | wols_ | both have (minor) problems |
| 04:41.01 | Xorm | nvidia.org = nvidia.com? |
| 04:41.11 | wols_ | oops yes :) |
| 04:41.17 | Xorm | nvidia.org is parked. |
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| 04:41.21 | toraton | Well, I tried running the installer...but it gives me an error... |
| 04:41.23 | toraton | Shall I post it? |
| 04:41.26 | wols_ | sure |
| 04:41.36 | wols_ | !paster |
| 04:41.36 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 04:41.37 | toraton | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:41.43 | toraton | Just one line. |
| 04:42.06 | Wyzard | toraton: Use the one from sid |
| 04:42.09 | wols_ | I'd like a bit more than one line |
| 04:42.18 | wols_ | make and gcc are lot more chatty than a single line |
| 04:42.25 | Wyzard | toraton: Installing non-packaged software (like using nVidia's installer) will just clutter up your system |
| 04:42.28 | toraton | Well, unfortunately, the rest is specific to my system and has nothing to do with nvidia |
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| 04:42.34 | toraton | That's the last line of the installer. |
| 04:42.41 | toraton | Wyzard, I was sure of it, but it was a last resort. |
| 04:42.48 | toraton | Wyzard, I've been wanting to do it the debian way. |
| 04:42.54 | toraton | "The Debian Way" :) |
| 04:43.38 | toraton | Wyzard, How would I go about installing one from sid? I'm rather new to debian, I'm a gentoo convert, so be gentle :) |
| 04:43.49 | wols_ | _theklone: the problem is specific for your system too, since there are thousands if not more who can install that nvidia-installer |
| 04:44.33 | wols_ | toraton: get the nvidia packages from sid and install them. that's all |
| 04:44.48 | Wyzard | toraton: http://packages.debian.org/ -- use the search feature to look up nvidia-glx in unstable, download the .deb, and install it with "dpkg -i" |
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| 04:45.01 | toraton | Wyzard, wols_, thanks a bunch. |
| 04:45.25 | Wyzard | toraton: If it installs but fails to configure due to unsatisfied dependencies, use "apt-get install -f" to correct them -- the dependencies should be in testing so that shouldn't be a problem |
| 04:45.33 | wols_ | nvidia-glx alone probably won't help. you also need the exact same version of the nvidia drivre etc |
| 04:46.14 | Wyzard | toraton: Yes, you might need to install nvidia-kernel from sid too, if the version is different from the one in testing, but that shouldn't be a problem either |
| 04:46.36 | eegore | You know what you call a female troll |
| 04:47.00 | eegore | a tollip |
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| 04:47.48 | toraton | Well, apparently I'll have to downgrade my kernel to grab nvidia-kernel-source that matches it. Pity. |
| 04:48.08 | toraton | The newest seems to be 2.6.16-2, whereas I have 2.6.17-2 |
| 04:48.23 | toraton | I upgraded in an attempt to find a version compiled by gcc 4.1 |
| 04:48.34 | toraton | Which, this is, but the nvidia installer still complains. |
| 04:48.52 | Xorm | Is installing the drivers usually that complicated O_o |
| 04:48.54 | Xorm | ? |
| 04:49.08 | toraton | Xorm, I could build a kernel by hand and have the drivers installed in no time. |
| 04:49.17 | toraton | Xorm, I'm trying to do it without messing with bits of my system. |
| 04:49.25 | Xorm | I've never gotten a working kernel compiled T_T |
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| 04:51.29 | kpin | has anyone gotten xgl and compiz to work on debian with a nvidia pci 5500 card? |
| 04:51.58 | Wyzard | *sigh* |
| 04:52.02 | Wyzard | XGL and Compiz, the latest fad |
| 04:52.57 | kpin | because it will conver windows users im allmost positive once it is stable |
| 04:53.02 | kpin | convert |
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| 04:53.04 | toraton | I'm gonna drop out of X and try the installer again |
| 04:53.06 | toraton | Be right back. |
| 04:53.16 | kpin | not a fad |
| 04:53.32 | kpin | it will be the newest gui and take over gnome and kde in my opinion |
| 04:53.57 | Wyzard | "take over" ? |
| 04:54.06 | kpin | and many windows users will be like wow, this kills vista |
| 04:54.06 | Wyzard | XGL/Compiz isn't a replacement for GNOME or KDE |
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| 04:54.18 | kpin | i know |
| 04:54.24 | kpin | i didnt phrase is right |
| 04:54.30 | kpin | but with it running...... |
| 04:54.41 | Azar | hello honorable, and RIP lilo |
| 04:54.49 | kpin | windows users will be like....... |
| 04:54.49 | Azar | honorables* |
| 04:54.49 | Wyzard | Future versions of GNOME and KDE will utilize the XGL stuff once it's mainstream |
| 04:55.10 | kpin | why did we spend $500 on this buisness version?> |
| 04:55.18 | Wyzard | and I'm interested in them in principle (though I'm more interested in AIGLX, and I'm looking forward to XOrg 7.1 which supports it) |
| 04:55.19 | kpin | cause all they want is more eye candy |
| 04:55.36 | cahoot | *they* ? |
| 04:55.41 | kpin | windows users |
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| 04:55.44 | Azar | all eye candy promoters are morons |
| 04:55.47 | kpin | the typical ones |
| 04:55.48 | Coweater | right, eye candy, nobody buys an OS to run applications |
| 04:55.50 | Wyzard | but XGL/Compiz aren't packaged yet, not even in experimental, and Compiz is just a proof-of-concept for stuff that'll eventually be rolled into window managers like Metacity |
| 04:56.08 | Wyzard | and it's kinda ridiculous to see all the people asking "how do I set up XGL and Compiz?" at this point |
| 04:56.16 | kpin | no |
| 04:56.22 | kpin | because people have done it |
| 04:56.28 | kpin | its amazing what you can do |
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| 04:56.29 | Azar | my webmail just "upgraded" the version to an eye-candy one, and is not functional |
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| 04:56.47 | Azar | I wish I could learn how to have my own mailserver |
| 04:56.49 | kpin | look at the videos out there |
| 04:57.02 | eegore_ | well it sort of installed |
| 04:57.16 | Wyzard | I know people have done it, but it involves compiling stuff from source and messying up your system |
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| 04:57.27 | Wyzard | all to have translucent windows a few months before everyone else, oh joy |
| 04:57.28 | EdLin | !webmail |
| 04:57.56 | kpin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj3UPnriIxc&mode=related&search= |
| 04:58.01 | kpin | watch that |
| 04:58.04 | Coweater | kpin: most of the videos show pretty useless eye candy stuff, wait for it to mature and maybe we'll see some real uses, acceleration is about the best advantage right now |
| 04:58.07 | eegore_ | reality it already tanslucent |
| 04:58.10 | Wyzard | kpin: Yes, I know, I've seen it |
| 04:58.12 | kpin | you'll know why everyone wants it so bad |
| 04:58.12 | EdLin | oops, I misread - thought you said webadmin |
| 04:58.24 | eegore_ | \translucent |
| 04:58.27 | kpin | webmin is cool |
| 04:58.27 | Wyzard | kpin: And I think GPU-accelerated X will be great once it's mainstream |
| 04:58.34 | kpin | ok |
| 04:58.37 | kpin | it i |
| 04:58.38 | kpin | s |
| 04:58.43 | kpin | because people have it |
| 04:58.45 | Wyzard | kpin: but wanting to install it now, at this point, is just a fad |
| 04:58.50 | kpin | proof right there |
| 04:59.08 | Xorm | Okay, quick Q: |
| 04:59.18 | Xorm | Where are programs' binaries usually stored? |
| 04:59.20 | Xorm | /usr? |
| 04:59.22 | Wyzard | kpin: Yes, of course, it's possible to install -- like I said, it involves compiling stuff from source and cluttering up your system |
| 04:59.26 | Wyzard | kpin: not worth it |
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| 04:59.55 | toraton | Hurrah. It works. |
| 05:00.14 | eegore | kind os reminds me of a bad trip |
| 05:00.16 | Wyzard | kpin: Or maybe someone's made unofficial packages; I dunno |
| 05:00.18 | toraton | Turns out my linux-kernel-headers weren't up to date enough, the idea just struck me. |
| 05:00.30 | toraton | They didn't match my kernel. |
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| 05:01.08 | Azar | any of you have read that lilo died? I see him at #freenode |
| 05:01.18 | sparr | I did a dist-upgrade for the first time in a few months and now my audio doesnt seem to work. I am (hopefully) using ALSA. /dev/dsp exists, but writing to it has no effect. alsamixer and kmix show my proper audio controls. XMMS acts like it is outputting sound. But nothing comes out. Help? |
| 05:01.18 | Wyzard | Coweater: One potential use I've seen mentioned is hardware-accelerated PDF viewers -- using the GPU to composite all the graphic elements onto the page |
| 05:02.05 | Coweater | yeah, acceleration, but all the rage is about eye-candy and none of it is actually beneficial for use |
| 05:02.47 | Wyzard | Coweater: I like the idea of fading a window to greyscale when the underlying process is hung -- that's at least half eye-candy, but it's useful too |
| 05:02.48 | sparr | Wyzard: sadly, most video cards these days have shit 2D acceleration. 1998-era cards are your best bet for stuff like that, if you ever find software to support it. |
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| 05:03.17 | Xorm | wow, really? |
| 05:03.22 | Wyzard | span: I'm talking about 3D acceleration using OpenGL |
| 05:03.30 | toraton | Xorm, yes. |
| 05:03.51 | Xorm | I thought something like that would stay at least the same. |
| 05:04.03 | Wyzard | span: or, rather, 2D drawing, but using the card's 3D engine rather than the legacy 2D engine |
| 05:04.05 | Coweater | yeah, fading = eye candy, you could greyscale a window right now without the eye candy for the same effect |
| 05:04.21 | sparr | Wyzard: 3d acceleration on today's best cards used for 2d graphics is barely comparable to good 2d acceleration 10 years ago. |
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| 05:04.40 | Wyzard | Coweater: No you can't, because you rely on the process to draw the window |
| 05:04.48 | Wyzard | Coweater: If it's hung, it doesn't redraw itself at all |
| 05:04.58 | valdyn | Xorm: today's 3D cards obviously do not need 'extra' 2D hardware as 3D hardware can do 2D too |
| 05:05.12 | Xorm | But not as well? |
| 05:05.31 | Xorm | mrhm. |
| 05:05.36 | valdyn | sparr: that's a funny theory, any facts to back that up? |
| 05:05.45 | Wyzard | span: Modern video cards can draw stuff quite fast using the 3D engine, much faster than old 2D-only cards can, and if you tell the 3D engine to draw a bunch of stuff in the same visual plane, you get 2D pictures |
| 05:06.03 | sparr | valdyn: random experience with 3d-as-2d GUIs in FOSS games, nothing quantitative. |
| 05:06.29 | toraton | sparr has GOT to be right |
| 05:06.44 | toraton | I've tried writing FOSS games, I'll never do a 2d one without opengl again |
| 05:06.51 | Wyzard | sparr: lol, I misread your nick and have been calling you "span", sorry :-) |
| 05:06.53 | toraton | Bit blitting is as painful to program as it is to watch |
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| 05:07.40 | Wyzard | sparr: Anyway, the legacy 2D engine accelerates things like drawing lines, color fills, and copying rectangular blocks of pixels... it doesn't accelerate things like alpha-blending or scaling, which modern 3D GPUs can |
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| 05:08.39 | sparr | Wyzard: you are incorrect. many many 2d accelerators did blending and scaling. hell, most still do. a lot of handheld game consoles have quite highly evolved 2d accelerators. |
| 05:09.13 | Wyzard | sparr: If they did, it certainly didn't get used much... |
| 05:09.33 | joe_ | hi everyone |
| 05:09.47 | Xorm | y hallo thar |
| 05:09.59 | kpin | anyway im out, just letting you know I just finally got it working on my debian box, Ill make a movie for you guyys eventually |
| 05:10.03 | kpin | its nasty |
| 05:10.06 | joe_ | I'm doing my semi-annual distro swap for fun |
| 05:10.14 | kpin | i got a pci nvidia 128mb card |
| 05:10.17 | kpin | 5500 |
| 05:10.20 | Wyzard | sparr: Old video cards also don't have enough memory to keep offscreen copies of all your windows -- in 1998 a video card would typically have about 4MB, IIRC, because it was meant for storing the framebuffer and not much else |
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| 05:10.25 | Xorm | I have an AGP 4400 |
| 05:10.48 | joe_ | and its down to ubuntu 6.06 or debian sid |
| 05:10.48 | kpin | the 5500 runs compiz great |
| 05:10.51 | kpin | fast as hell |
| 05:10.58 | kpin | never seen affects like this ever |
| 05:11.03 | kpin | very usfull too |
| 05:11.12 | kpin | usefull |
| 05:11.13 | joe_ | I assume most people on this channel use debian |
| 05:11.21 | Wyzard | joe_: That's a pretty good assumption, yes |
| 05:11.21 | kpin | <----debian and ubuntu |
| 05:11.30 | joe_ | Wyzard: :-) |
| 05:11.43 | kpin | and bsd |
| 05:11.46 | kpin | monowall |
| 05:11.48 | Wyzard | joe_: Ubuntu is more "convenient desktop"-oriented than Debian, at the expense of being less rock-solid-stability-oriented |
| 05:11.59 | Wyzard | joe_: your choice which you consider more important |
| 05:11.59 | sparr | Wyzard: 32MB was around in 98, IIRC, and that would do plenty of off-screen copies just fine. then again, 1024x768 was high-res back then :) but its moot, i was kinda just trying to make a point. extrapolate those same features to today, imagine what a desktop-quality 2d accelerator could do with 256MB of RAM, at 20x the speed of its 1998 counterpart. |
| 05:12.53 | kpin | no, you can make ubuntu just as stable |
| 05:12.54 | joe_ | wyzard: I know that that holds for debian stable and testing. Does that also hold for Sid? |
| 05:12.57 | kpin | as with any distro |
| 05:13.22 | kpin | for gods sake.......redhat can be as stable as any debian install |
| 05:13.25 | Wyzard | joe_: no, sid is the development branch where things to to have bugs found before they make it into a release |
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| 05:13.46 | joe_ | kpin: well, the packages don't change much, so in that sense there is stability |
| 05:13.47 | Wyzard | joe_: (Ubuntu has an unstable branch too, btw) |
| 05:13.49 | tuv | kpin, if you're gonna make something stable, then it isn't (TM) |
| 05:13.56 | kpin | you just have to be able to compile and know what to add as far as security |
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| 05:13.59 | Dwonis | Wyzard: I use debian not so much for "stability", but for the integration, freeness, and the fact that a good chunk of everything is already packaged. |
| 05:14.11 | guilherme-jorge | hello all, anybody knows a software to recover some files that was replaced |
| 05:14.13 | guilherme-jorge | ? |
| 05:14.33 | Wyzard | sparr: I'm not really sure what your point was, though... it sounded like you were saying I should toss my nVidia card get an old 2D-only card if I want an accelerated composited desktop |
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| 05:14.54 | kpin | heh |
| 05:14.57 | kpin | no |
| 05:14.57 | guilherme-jorge | reiserfsck is a good idea to do this? |
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| 05:15.06 | Tallu| | Unable to install GRUB in hd0. Executing grub-install (hd0) failed. This is a fatalerror. |
| 05:15.12 | Dwonis | Wyzard: And because stuff like /etc/network/interfaces is vastly easier to use than FC's /etc/sysconfig/network mess. |
| 05:15.17 | valdyn | guilherme-jorge: no, undelete is hardly supported |
| 05:15.27 | sparr | Wyzard: actually, I would suggest having both. use the current nvidia for 3d, the older card for 2d. Matrox made some kick ass multi-head 2d acceleration cards back then. |
| 05:15.33 | joe_ | Dwonis: have you used ubuntu much? If so, how do you think they compare? |
| 05:16.18 | Wyzard | sparr: Why not just use my nVidia card, instead of a fictional old-2D-card-extrapolated-to-modern-times? An actual modern GPU can handle those tasks just fine. |
| 05:16.31 | guilherme-jorge | valdyn: Do you know any software to get back data? |
| 05:16.46 | valdyn | i think is falling prey to his own subjective impressions anyway |
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| 05:16.52 | valdyn | i think sparr falling prey to his own subjective impressions anyway |
| 05:17.01 | valdyn | but i dont have benchmarks to back this up either |
| 05:17.02 | Wyzard | I think sparr is just not making much sense |
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| 05:17.26 | Wyzard | Great, old 2D engines were good at drawing stuff in 2D, but so is a modern 3D engine |
| 05:17.39 | Dwonis | joe_: Not much. I used it once (5.04, I think), and it seemed to be more polished from a gnome-desktop-oriented point of view, but I found it annoying that I'd run apt-get install something and the package wouldn't be found (Ubuntu's repo is a lot smaller than Debian's obviously). |
| 05:17.43 | valdyn | modern 2D is using OpenGL too anyway |
| 05:17.44 | Wyzard | as demonstrated by the XGL demos running on people's nVidia and ATI cards |
| 05:17.59 | Wyzard | valdyn: Not unless you're using XGL/AIGLX, it's not |
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| 05:18.12 | valdyn | Wyzard: yea, i was talking abouit those 2 |
| 05:18.16 | Wyzard | ok |
| 05:18.16 | Dwonis | joe_: But, then again, I've been using Debian already for years, and I don't really use gnome anyway. |
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| 05:18.43 | Wyzard | valdyn: sparr seemed to be saying that OpenGL isn't suitable for that, and I should get an old video card instead |
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| 05:19.16 | Wyzard | Dwonis: if you enable universe and multiverse, the package selection is much bigger |
| 05:19.23 | valdyn | Wyzard: maybe opengl is harder to use for 2D than necessary, but certainly being able to do 2D is a prerequesite for 3D |
| 05:19.27 | Wyzard | Dwonis: though I don't really have extensive experience with Ubuntu since I use Debian primarily |
| 05:19.49 | Dwonis | joe_: I was more impressed with Ubuntu than I have been with, say, Xandros (and don't even get me started on the brain-damaged, broken mess that is Mandriva) |
| 05:20.39 | valdyn | joe_: ubuntu is better if you insist on reinstalling every few months, debian's sid stays usuable most of the time, most sid users dont ever reinstall i would guess |
| 05:20.43 | Dwonis | Wyzard, joe_: Yeah. I'm hesitant to complain about ubuntu, because I'm not all that familiar with it, and my complaints were mostly just that it's not Debian, which is what I usually want. |
| 05:21.18 | Wyzard | valdyn: I've been running sid on this box (and updating pretty much daily) for about 6 years :-) |
| 05:22.01 | Tallu| | Uhm, I think grub is failing to install because theres not enough space on the MBR... any ideas what to do? I wouldnt like to cancel the installation but cant really go on without a bootloader either |
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| 05:22.25 | valdyn | Tallu|: paste the error, space on the mbr is fixed and is very small |
| 05:22.40 | valdyn | Tallu|: and grub sure won't ever less or more than the whole mbr |
| 05:22.46 | valdyn | Tallu|: and grub sure won't ever use less or more than the whole mbr |
| 05:23.00 | Wyzard | Tallu|: The MBR is one sector, 512 bytes, and that's what GRUB is designed to install to... do you mean lack of space in your /boot partition maybe? |
| 05:23.17 | joe_ | the way I felt when I was using ubuntu was that they had a very polished desktop, and then they had universe and multiverse which lacked any polish at all. It seemed like one set of packages was a lot nicer than the rest. |
| 05:23.33 | valdyn | joe_: that's right |
| 05:24.26 | joe_ | then I tried kubuntu, mostly on a whim and because I wanted to mess around with DCOP |
| 05:24.39 | valdyn | joe_: ubuntu is one of the 'smallest' distros, though that's easier said than defined properly |
| 05:24.40 | joe_ | but kubuntu feels a lot less mature than ubuntu |
| 05:24.56 | Tallu| | No, I read on the grub pages that if there are other bootloaders then grub will try to install on the spare space and might not fit.. also I dont have an error to paste, I'm running base-config on a new system that had XP on earlier. The error in whole is: Unable to install grub in (hd0). Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. This is a fatal error. |
| 05:24.59 | valdyn | joe_: kubuntu is a volunteer project.. |
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| 05:25.19 | joe_ | yeah, and they're awesome! Big props to them |
| 05:25.23 | Tallu| | Wyzard, think I could just switch to another console and wipe the mbr and try to install again? |
| 05:25.29 | joe_ | but, its not really what I want |
| 05:25.37 | joe_ | their code isn't very mature yet |
| 05:25.50 | joe_ | (in my humble opinion) |
| 05:26.29 | valdyn | joe_: make up your mind on which goals your distro of choice has to meet |
| 05:26.56 | valdyn | joe_: heck people capable of fixing will even run experimental debian packages w/o severe issues |
| 05:27.31 | Tallu| | dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 would this be correct? I'm kind of sleepy |
| 05:27.38 | valdyn | Tallu|: thats stupid |
| 05:27.47 | Tallu| | valdyn, got better ideas? :P |
| 05:27.51 | oddlane | Tallul /dev/zero |
| 05:27.52 | valdyn | Tallu|: run grub-install /dev/hda |
| 05:28.26 | Tallu| | oddlane, ah |
| 05:28.31 | valdyn | Tallu|: there's no point in overwriting an mbr with zeroes unless your goal is to make that disk unbootable |
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| 05:28.48 | Tallu| | valdyn, well I was thinking of totally filling it up so grub might just overwrite whats there |
| 05:28.49 | Dwonis | Tallu: Did you try: grub-install --recheck /dev/hda |
| 05:28.59 | Dwonis | Tallu: or grub-install --recheck '(hd0)' |
| 05:29.01 | Tallu| | Dwonis, I'll try |
| 05:29.04 | valdyn | Tallu|: it will overwrite what's there no matter what's there |
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| 05:29.20 | joe_ | the biggest complaint I had with ubuntu was that feeling that packagse in universe/multiverse were not supported well. I'd do apt-get install, and see a package coming from a universe repository and cringe a little |
| 05:29.39 | Tallu| | Only one problem.. the installer will reboot once it finishes and I'll be left without a bootloader |
| 05:29.44 | valdyn | joe_: are you able to deal with bugs in sid? |
| 05:30.16 | Tallu| | valdyn, hmm ok |
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| 05:30.39 | joe_ | valdyn: I think so |
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| 05:30.46 | Tallu| | Dwonis, I dont think I can do that before I boot the system. and when I do I wont have a bootloader |
| 05:31.15 | Tallu| | Ah well, I went back and tried to install lilo |
| 05:31.17 | Wyzard | joe_: sid is nice if you have enough experience to deal with occasional breakage |
| 05:31.22 | Tallu| | it installed just fine |
| 05:31.24 | valdyn | joe_: then and if that system isnt critical for anything ( in which case you defenitely wouldnt use multiverse anyway ), use sid ) |
| 05:31.25 | Dwonis | Tallu|: ohh... have you tried the --root-directory option? yeah, lilo might work too |
| 05:31.48 | Tallu| | Yeah, lilo worked. I just prefer grub.. I think I'll try the config you gave me after I've gotten the system up |
| 05:31.57 | Wyzard | joe_: and I've found that it's a great way to learn a lot about Debian and about Linux in general -- you update daily, you see what new software is coming in, maybe read the changelogs, maybe it breaks and you have to find out what's wrong |
| 05:32.10 | ayaz | guys, any views about this: www.ayaz.pk/post.txt |
| 05:32.48 | Wyzard | joe_: Running (and maintaining) an up-to-date sid system gives you much more exposure to the workings of the system than running Ubuntu's little update applet |
| 05:32.54 | toraton | Anyone know offhand of a repo that might have mplayerplug-in in it? |
| 05:33.00 | toraton | The totem plugin bothers me :/ |
| 05:33.13 | toraton | Or is there a better plugin out there, perhaps? |
| 05:33.18 | valdyn | ayaz: bootcd2disk is in debian? |
| 05:33.35 | valdyn | toraton: www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 05:33.48 | toraton | valdyn, Thanks. |
| 05:33.57 | joe_ | valdyn, wyzard, et all: thanks a lot |
| 05:34.09 | joe_ | you've recruited me |
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| 05:34.23 | Dwonis | ayaz: My random guess is either a broken fstab, a broken linuxrc script, or that there is no empty /dev directory on your root filesystem. |
| 05:34.23 | ayaz | valdyn: it is provided with debian. |
| 05:34.49 | valdyn | joe_: use sarge or etch installer, those are safer to work than sid installer, then before installing many packages, upgrade to sid |
| 05:34.54 | Dwonis | ayaz: The message looks like it's trying to mount a filesystem onto "devfs", rather than onto "/dev" |
| 05:35.13 | ayaz | Dwonis: yes, even though the system from which the image is created does *not* uses devfs. |
| 05:35.34 | Dwonis | ayaz: you could try adding the parameter "devfs=nomount" |
| 05:35.56 | joe_ | valdyn: sounds like a plan |
| 05:36.04 | ayaz | on the boot prompt (when booting from the boot-cd image), it doesn't take that parameter. |
| 05:38.09 | joe_ | good bye everyone, rebooting to the installer! |
| 05:38.32 | Tallu| | Dwonis, hmm I did that install with recheck.. but now I'm stuck in the grub console when rebooting |
| 05:38.37 | ayaz | i've been creating boot-cd images of that system since the past two weeks, but those have worked. only a few days ago, i patched the 2.6.17 kernel with the bootsplash patch (for debian) and the mkinitrd, and ever since, newly created boot-cd images are being a pain. |
| 05:38.49 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:38.49 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:39.00 | Dwonis | Tallu|: perhaps you didn't have a menu.lst file? |
| 05:39.59 | ayaz | if the initrd.img was corrupt, the normal system would bail out at the exact same point where the boot-cd image does. |
| 05:40.02 | Dwonis | Tallu|: in any case, you can type something like this: root (hd0,0)\nkernel /vmlinuz ro\ninitrd /initrd.img\nboot |
| 05:40.15 | Dwonis | Tallu|: (with \n replaced with newlines) |
| 05:43.06 | Dwonis | Tallu|: grub has tab expansion, so once you get the filesystem right, you should be able to you find the exact filenames |
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| 05:43.40 | Dwonis | Tallu|: as for why it did that in the first place, I think you might have to run update-grub or something to auto-generate menu.lst (which is a terrible name for grub.conf) |
| 05:44.03 | Tallu| | Dwonis, I can mount /boot but can't mount / for some reason |
| 05:44.12 | Tallu| | Filesystem type unknown |
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| 05:47.03 | ese5 | hmm |
| 05:47.15 | Dwonis | Tallu|: did LILO work? |
| 05:47.23 | Tallu| | Dwonis, yes |
| 05:47.46 | Dwonis | Tallu|: are you saying grub can't mount /, or Linux can't? |
| 05:47.47 | ese5 | i installed debian via net install... as "desktop environment" |
| 05:47.50 | ayaz | oh, well. thanks for replying, Dwonis! |
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| 05:47.53 | ese5 | and it installed XFree86? |
| 05:47.57 | ese5 | is that right? |
| 05:48.11 | Dwonis | ese5: For sarge, yes. |
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| 05:48.45 | Ironmonk3y | hi all found some thing awesome http://yourprxy.com/TDOA.html look at the link |
| 05:48.51 | ese5 | is there a newer version of debian? |
| 05:49.06 | Tallu| | Dwonis, grub cant.. root (hd0,2) Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x82 |
| 05:49.09 | Dwonis | ese5: The Xorg transition didn't happen until sarge was released. Note that sarge has a (heavily-modified) version of XFree86 from before the license change. |
| 05:49.33 | ese5 | hmm ok |
| 05:49.40 | ese5 | just that X won't start and i'm not sure how to configure it |
| 05:49.45 | Dwonis | ese5: sarge is the latest "stable" version. etch has xorg, but it's still in testing (though that's probably fine if you're a desktop user) |
| 05:50.11 | Dwonis | ese5: What does /var/log/XFree86.0.log say? |
| 05:50.28 | Dwonis | ese5: *besides* "No screens found" |
| 05:50.56 | ese5 | No core pointer |
| 05:51.10 | Dwonis | ese5: that should be easy to fix |
| 05:51.12 | Ironmonk3y | hi all found some thing awesome http://yourprxy.com/TDOA.html look at the link(awesome abook on adsense and its free) |
| 05:51.28 | valdyn | ese5: that means that X isnt finding your mouse |
| 05:51.43 | Dwonis | ese5: Find the line that says Option "Device" "/dev/mouse", and change it to a device that exists, such as /dev/input/mice |
| 05:51.45 | ese5 | val: yeah... i think i told it the wrong device when i did the original config |
| 05:51.56 | valdyn | !drxx ese5 |
| 05:51.56 | dpkg | ese5: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 05:52.00 | ese5 | is /dev/psaux the ps2 mouse |
| 05:52.24 | Dwonis | ese5: yup. or /dev/input/mice (and install the psmouse module) if you're running a 2.6 kernel |
| 05:52.40 | ese5 | oh that's another thing |
| 05:52.43 | ese5 | it's a 2.4 kernel |
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| 05:52.45 | Ironmonk3y | konrad12: |
| 05:52.45 | Ironmonk3y | skull net very inviting |
| 05:52.46 | ese5 | i was like .. umm |
| 05:53.03 | Dwonis | ese5: sarge has an option to install 2.6 instead. You type "linux26" at the SYSLINUX prompt |
| 05:53.22 | ese5 | SYSLINUX prompt? |
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| 05:53.39 | Dwonis | ese5: The first screen you get, before Linux loads, as soon as you pop in the CD |
| 05:53.43 | valdyn | Ironhand: stop spamming |
| 05:53.52 | valdyn | Ironmonk3y: stop spamming |
| 05:53.57 | ese5 | ahok |
| 05:54.01 | ese5 | er.. ah |
| 05:54.05 | ese5 | i think i'm just gonna start over |
| 05:54.48 | ese5 | why is 2.4 the default kernel anyways |
| 05:54.59 | tarzeau | ese5: because it made sense that time |
| 05:55.01 | Dwonis | ese5: My suggestion is to install sarge with the linux26 option, but *don't* select "Desktop environment" (or anything else) yet, then upgrade to etch and run aptitude or tasksel to add X and the desktop |
| 05:55.01 | valdyn | ese5: what is wrong with it? |
| 05:55.10 | tarzeau | ese5: although you were able to use 2.6 even then |
| 05:55.28 | tarzeau | ese5: and nothing hinders you from picking the latest from www.kernel.org and using make-kpkg (kernel-package) |
| 05:55.30 | Dwonis | valdyn: Didn't 2.4 have really terrible hotplug and/or USB support? |
| 05:55.36 | tarzeau | Dwonis: no |
| 05:55.46 | Dwonis | tarzeau: ok, maybe that was 2.2 |
| 05:55.47 | tarzeau | Dwonis: we use 2.4 at work still, and it works quite fine |
| 05:55.56 | tarzeau | Dwonis: (but true, USB sucks very much, generally) |
| 05:55.57 | wols_ | ese5: or installing a 2.6 kernel right now and then dpkg-reconfigure X to solve your "no core pointer" problem |
| 05:56.12 | Dwonis | tarzeau: oh, right, now I remember. 2.4 had devfs... |
| 05:56.13 | tarzeau | Dwonis: and the e1000 drivers don't get updated in 2.4 anymore |
| 05:56.20 | ese5 | ese5: My suggestion is to install sarge with the linux26 |
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| 05:56.21 | tarzeau | Dwonis: nobody uses devfs |
| 05:56.28 | ese5 | yikes.. sorry |
| 05:56.30 | tarzeau | Dwonis: you can run 2.4 without devfs |
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| 05:57.07 | Dwonis | tarzeau: I realize that. |
| 05:58.03 | wols_ | Dwonis: 2.2 was the one with the shitty PnP support :) |
| 05:58.23 | tarzeau | who needed PnP anyways? |
| 05:58.37 | tarzeau | PnP was shitty by its design |
| 05:58.54 | valdyn | tarzeau: maybe you mean isa pnp |
| 05:59.04 | tarzeau | but what's really still crap is the naming of /dev stuff (especially harddisks) |
| 05:59.08 | ese5 | well am I wrong in believing that newer kernels should have better functionality in general? i mean.. otherwise why update them at all? |
| 05:59.10 | tarzeau | valdyn: i did, but not only |
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| 05:59.32 | valdyn | ese5: what's 'better' ? |
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| 05:59.53 | tarzeau | ese5: they have more drivers, more up to date drivers |
| 06:00.08 | Tallu| | Dwonis, sorry to keep bugging you but what would you suggest I do now? I'm still on the grub bootmenu |
| 06:00.22 | ese5 | tarz: so then why would 2.4 be the default in debian? |
| 06:00.31 | tarzeau | ese5: it isn't for etch |
| 06:00.41 | tarzeau | ese5: and for sarge it was perfectly reasonable two years ago |
| 06:01.31 | tarzeau | ese5: you have the choice between debian 2.4, 2.6 and your own, Hurd and 6.1/5.3 (kfreebsd) |
| 06:02.05 | wols_ | Tallu|: partition type 92 is your swap partition. which partition is your /boot? |
| 06:02.05 | ese5 | gotcha |
| 06:02.10 | wols_ | *82 |
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| 06:02.47 | wols_ | under grub, (hd0,0) is hda1, (hd0,1) is hda2 and so on |
| 06:02.52 | Dwonis | Tallu|: boot a rescue cd, and then chroot back into your main filesystem to work with it from there? (Knoppix works quite nicely for this) |
| 06:02.58 | Tallu| | wols_, hd0,1 = boot hd0,2 couldn't be mounted, hd0,3 is what I figured to be swap but I guess it got into hd0,2 instead |
| 06:03.20 | wols_ | what is hda2? |
| 06:03.31 | Tallu| | Dwonis, guess I'm in for a long download.. (256 line here :P ) ah well |
| 06:03.53 | jnc | i have problems more extensive than mere cpu usage |
| 06:03.55 | wols_ | if you already have grub running, no download necessary |
| 06:03.59 | jnc | i meant to say irq usage |
| 06:04.04 | Dwonis | Tallu|: um, (hd0,2) i.e. hda3 is probably your extended partition |
| 06:04.21 | Dwonis | Tallu|: and what is (hd0,0) ? |
| 06:04.33 | Tallu| | Dwonis, hd0,0 is some lenovo rescue thing, in fat |
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| 06:04.44 | Dwonis | Tallu|: oh... have you tried (hd0,4), (hd0,5), etc? |
| 06:04.44 | Tallu| | after that I partitioned /boot, /, swap |
| 06:04.49 | DanielHolth | How do I configure debconf so that it doesn't bother me except for "important" notifications? I can't find the documentation for this. |
| 06:04.55 | valdyn | Tallu|: it isnt a windows partition? |
| 06:04.59 | wols_ | Tallu|: please tell us EXACTLY your partition layout under linux (NOT under grub) |
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| 06:05.03 | huhlig | hmm |
| 06:05.03 | tarzeau | DanielHolth: you could preseed it |
| 06:05.04 | jnc | DanielHolth: dpkg-reconfigure debconf ? |
| 06:05.07 | Tallu| | valdyn, well there's no windows installed there |
| 06:05.14 | huhlig | question, anyone know why postfix says its not allowed to send mail to itself |
| 06:05.15 | wols_ | as in hda1=NTFS, hda2=/ hda3=swap and so on |
| 06:05.16 | jnc | it's a guess anyways, i don't know the answer |
| 06:05.21 | huhlig | I.E. I cant send myself an email |
| 06:05.33 | DanielHolth | jnc it's so crazy it just might work. thanks. |
| 06:05.47 | Tallu| | wols_, hda1=fat32, hda2=/boot, hda3=/, hda4=swap |
| 06:05.48 | ese5 | ok so to update to etch... i just change sarge to etch in sources.list and then do update/dist-upgrade ? |
| 06:05.52 | wols_ | huhlig: exact error message please |
| 06:06.00 | valdyn | huhlig: because the domain name that you define 'itself' is unkown to your postfix? |
| 06:06.04 | wols_ | Tallu|: setup (hd0,1) |
| 06:06.07 | huhlig | <hans.uhlig@rsng.local>: mail for rsng.local loops back to myself |
| 06:06.08 | DanielHolth | jnc thanks, that appears to work. |
| 06:06.20 | jnc | DanielHolth: hoo-whoopity-ray. |
| 06:06.30 | DanielHolth | now maybe I can go to sleep knowing apt-get didn't pause five minutes after I went to bed. |
| 06:06.32 | Dwonis | Tallu|: What what filesystem is hda3? (e.g. ext2, ext3, reiserfs, xfs, umsdos, etc) |
| 06:06.45 | DanielHolth | interactivity is a bad idea. |
| 06:06.46 | wols_ | huhlig: probably a infinite loop there |
| 06:06.47 | Tallu| | Dwonis, ext3 |
| 06:06.52 | huhlig | wols_, how so |
| 06:06.56 | jnc | DanielHolth: it's a configurable thing though |
| 06:07.00 | huhlig | it should deliver the mail to the address |
| 06:07.08 | jnc | you can tell apt to retrieve the packages first, then configure |
| 06:07.10 | Dwonis | Tallu|: *shrug* it should work then |
| 06:07.14 | DanielHolth | jnc imo, it should be configured 'off' by default. |
| 06:07.15 | jnc | less impact for fast CPUs |
| 06:07.39 | Dwonis | Tallu|: oh wait, does grub have any sort of size limits? like the 1GB BIOS limit or whatnot? |
| 06:07.43 | wols_ | huhlig: you probably configured it so that mail to hans.uhlig@rsng.local gets semt tp hans.uhlig@rsng.local agaom voa üprt 25 |
| 06:07.50 | Dwonis | Tallu|: Why do you want to access hda3 in grub, anyway? |
| 06:07.59 | Dwonis | Tallu|: You should have everything you need to boot in... /boot |
| 06:08.00 | huhlig | wols_, any idea how I can fix it? |
| 06:08.09 | huhlig | this is a fresh install |
| 06:08.09 | wols_ | Dwonis: grub has exactly the same size limits as the BIOS since obviously it uses BIOS to read from disk |
| 06:08.23 | valdyn | huhlig: cat /etc/mailname |
| 06:08.40 | huhlig | no such file or directory |
| 06:08.50 | wols_ | Dwonis: on a new machine after say 1999 or whatever this is no issue tho |
| 06:08.57 | Tallu| | wols_, ok it says done |
| 06:09.04 | Tallu| | Dwonis, let's see. |
| 06:09.21 | valdyn | huhlig: dpkg-reconfigure postfix should offer you to enter domain names that your postfix is responsible for |
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| 06:09.38 | huhlig | its not |
| 06:09.42 | huhlig | I tried that already |
| 06:10.01 | Dwonis | huhlig: dpkg-reconfigure -plow postfix, then |
| 06:10.05 | wols_ | what debian branch are you on? |
| 06:10.09 | huhlig | me? |
| 06:10.11 | huhlig | etch |
| 06:10.43 | jnc | testing or etch? (they were the same at some point, now different) |
| 06:10.45 | Tallu| | Dwonis, I mounted root (hd0,1) which is the /boot. Now it boots up to the point of mounting the root filesystem. ;) |
| 06:10.53 | valdyn | jnc: eh? |
| 06:11.15 | huhlig | testing |
| 06:11.19 | jnc | okay |
| 06:11.20 | wols_ | Tallu|: what you "mount" in grub is irrelevant |
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| 06:11.34 | DanielHolth | Is there a way to turn off the feature where occasionally the system will hang during startup, requiring a savvy person to run 'fsck' and a non-savvy person to install Windows? |
| 06:11.36 | wols_ | at least if you can load the kernel |
| 06:11.40 | Tallu| | wols_, ok so.. my root filesystem is somehow corrupt then? |
| 06:12.03 | valdyn | DanielHolth: shut down the system properly |
| 06:12.14 | wols_ | Tallu|: grub doesn't care one fsck about your root filesyste. all it cares about is your kernel image and possibly initrd. nothing else |
| 06:12.18 | DanielHolth | I did! |
| 06:12.31 | wols_ | what is the error message you get? and what kernel parameters do you give your kernel? |
| 06:12.38 | valdyn | DanielHolth: either you didnt or your system crashed |
| 06:12.40 | Tallu| | wols_, hmm okay.. so I get grub to boot now |
| 06:12.45 | DanielHolth | Could be. |
| 06:12.59 | wols_ | Tallu|: good. so what is the next error you get? exact error please |
| 06:13.12 | DanielHolth | Maybe the Linux kernel has a bug in it. I know I tend to get severe filesystem corruption with vendor kernels. |
| 06:13.14 | Tallu| | wols_, Being: WAiting for root file system... ... and it hangs there |
| 06:13.24 | Tallu| | been there for some time now |
| 06:13.28 | valdyn | DanielHolth: sounds more like you have broken hardware |
| 06:13.46 | DanielHolth | could be, could be. |
| 06:13.56 | valdyn | DanielHolth: or just a pebkac |
| 06:14.05 | DanielHolth | still, I would like a linux that would 'fsck -y' automatically. |
| 06:15.09 | valdyn | DanielHolth: your error is that severe that your filesystem cant be fixed automatically, fsck -y can destroy your data |
| 06:15.11 | Tallu| | wols_, it's still there and doesn't seem to be doing anything at all |
| 06:15.26 | wols_ | are you using udev? |
| 06:15.31 | DanielHolth | ah |
| 06:15.35 | DanielHolth | poor data. |
| 06:15.38 | wols_ | and recently upgraded kernels? but not udev? |
| 06:15.58 | wols_ | if so it seems your udev and your initrd are of different midns (versions) which causes this problem |
| 06:16.20 | wols_ | *minds |
| 06:16.22 | Tallu| | wols_, well, this is a fresh installation.. the grub install problem came along with base-conf.. installed lilo, it booted up, installed grub again, and now this problem |
| 06:16.34 | Tallu| | so i havent upgraded anything yet etc |
| 06:16.38 | wols_ | then use lilo :) |
| 06:16.56 | Tallu| | ok now it says that root filesystem doesnt exist and dropped me to busybox shell |
| 06:17.07 | wols_ | did you tell grub about your initrd right now when you booted? that could be the problem also |
| 06:17.15 | Tallu| | yes I did |
| 06:17.38 | wols_ | do you have access to your filesystems right now under busybox? |
| 06:17.54 | Tallu| | wols_, it would seem so |
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| 06:18.38 | wols_ | already mounted and all? strange |
| 06:18.46 | eleusis | hello |
| 06:18.56 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 06:18.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd165 is <jethro> SerajewelKS: but I'd bame idiocy rather than unstable |
| 06:19.03 | eleusis | is it safe to upgrade x.org on sid now? :P |
| 06:19.06 | Tallu| | wols_, yeah.. so if I put in root=/dev/hda3 now? |
| 06:19.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've almost finished all bloboats levels |
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| 06:19.28 | eleusis | it was broken after experimental packages made their way into sid by accident.. |
| 06:19.39 | Tallu| | wols_, this is starting to be really weird.. |
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| 06:20.08 | wols_ | your /dev/hda3 isn't your root |
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| 06:20.20 | wols_ | oops. it is |
| 06:20.35 | wols_ | and put root=/dev/hda3 where exactly? as a kernel parameter? |
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| 06:20.53 | Tallu| | in the busybox where it dropped me when it said it cant mount root filesystem |
| 06:21.11 | wols_ | what should that get you? |
| 06:21.21 | Tallu| | I've never had problems like this before so.. I'm sort of at my wits end, sorry. :( |
| 06:21.21 | wols_ | you should give root= as a kernel parameter when booting |
| 06:21.39 | wols_ | kernel=vmlinuzpath root=/dev/hda3 |
| 06:21.56 | Tallu| | hmm I'll try that |
| 06:22.09 | wols_ | if you haven't it's quite obvious why you couldn't boot... |
| 06:22.20 | wols_ | and why it didn't find your root fs |
| 06:22.48 | sparr | I upgraded a lot of libraries and such for the first time in a few months and now my audio doesnt seem to work. I am (hopefully) using ALSA. /dev/dsp exists, but writing to it has no effect. alsamixer and kmix show my proper audio controls. XMMS acts like it is outputting sound. But nothing comes out. Help? |
| 06:23.40 | wols_ | Tallu|: http://pastebin.ca/173729 This is a normal boot entry for grub. adapt it to your versions and partitions and paths |
| 06:26.27 | Tallu| | wols_, that got me booted up.. thanks a ton |
| 06:27.28 | Tallu| | wols_, only weird thing is that root was /dev/hda4 |
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| 06:27.53 | tato | is there a command to find out what file system format a disk is? |
| 06:28.03 | ese5 | dwonis |
| 06:28.38 | Tallu| | wols_, oh I think I see the problem here |
| 06:29.08 | Tallu| | I'll pastebin |
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| 06:29.33 | _Darks | hi to all |
| 06:30.00 | _Darks | how i can show the log from the system in the desktop |
| 06:30.14 | wols_ | tato: partitition types can help but not always |
| 06:30.34 | wols_ | another thing to try is just to mount it without a -t option and hope for the best |
| 06:30.43 | Tallu| | wols_, http://pastebin.ca/173731 |
| 06:31.07 | tato | wols_, mount w/o -t is failing |
| 06:31.08 | wols_ | _Darks: you mean display things like syslog? open an xterm/shell, su to root and less /var/log/syslog.1.gz |
| 06:31.14 | tato | thats why i was asking :-( |
| 06:31.18 | Tallu| | wols_, it's looking a bit weird with that extension isnt it? |
| 06:31.25 | wols_ | Tallu|: then look at the partition table |
| 06:31.38 | tarzeau | yay level: TWIST in bloboats |
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| 06:32.22 | Dwonis | ese5: huh? what? |
| 06:32.27 | wols_ | tato: then look at the partition table |
| 06:32.32 | Tallu| | wols_, oh, nevermind. that hda2 is boot as it should be |
| 06:32.43 | wols_ | Tallu|: it always helps if you know which partition has what in it :) |
| 06:32.46 | Tallu| | I just dont understand why it put swap in the middle :P |
| 06:33.16 | Tallu| | wols_, so how would I go about fixing grub now, or should it work from now on? |
| 06:33.43 | wols_ | Tallu|:making sure your menu.lst is proper and possibly fixing it if not |
| 06:33.52 | Tallu| | wow, atleast I've learned a lot about bootloaders this morning. :) |
| 06:33.57 | wols_ | but grub itself is set up right now. or at least it should |
| 06:34.23 | wols_ | if not, then grub is also installed in the MBR (right now it's installed in hda2) |
| 06:34.42 | wols_ | if that's the case you have to start the grub shell again and run setup (hd0) iirc |
| 06:34.53 | Tallu| | wols_, where would I find the menu.lst? |
| 06:35.02 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.17 | Tallu| | wols_, that's where I was looking for.. but there isnt one |
| 06:35.30 | wols_ | find / -name menu.lst |
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| 06:35.55 | Tallu| | wols_ /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst is the only one |
| 06:36.06 | wols_ | that should show you if there is one at all. if it is, it has a high chance of being your current menu.lst. if not, create one in /boot/grub/ where all the stage1, stage15 stage2 files are |
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| 06:36.25 | wols_ | then you need to make your own |
| 06:36.48 | Tallu| | wols_, like the one you showed me? |
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| 06:36.55 | Volvo | hi room |
| 06:37.11 | Volvo | anyone who is using webmin_1.290.deb |
| 06:37.19 | EdLin | !webmin |
| 06:37.19 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 06:37.39 | Volvo | i just installed it on my ubuntu 6.06, now where I can find the user name and password to login ? |
| 06:37.52 | EdLin | !ubuntu |
| 06:37.52 | dpkg | i guess ubuntu is 1. Ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. 2. A GNU/Linux distribution that is <Based on Debian>. Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we do not support Ubuntu here. |
| 06:38.00 | Dwonis | egad, two strikes in a row... |
| 06:38.08 | Dwonis | wait, make that 3 |
| 06:38.08 | wols_ | Tallu|: http://pastebin.ca/173734 |
| 06:38.16 | Volvo | lol dpkg |
| 06:38.18 | EdLin | Dwonis: yup, and he didn't read the /topic :-) |
| 06:38.22 | EdLin | !room |
| 06:38.23 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 06:38.31 | wols_ | Tallu|: this is a mostly default debian menu.lst. just increase the timeout to more than 5 seconds |
| 06:38.35 | EdLin | Dwonis: is that #3? |
| 06:38.35 | Dwonis | EdLin: ok, that's 5 so far, then |
| 06:38.38 | com-0 | can somebody help me. i have accidently deleted a directory on a samba server (debian sarge box). is there anyway to undo that. .... |
| 06:39.13 | EdLin | !polls |
| 06:39.13 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 06:39.13 | Tallu| | wols_, ok thanks |
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| 06:39.24 | Wyzard | com-0: Depends on what filesystem you're using... I think there's an undeletion tool for ext2/3, though I don't know how well it works |
| 06:39.32 | Dwonis | EdLin: make that 6: anyone, webmin, ubuntu, room, lol, and talking to dpkg |
| 06:39.37 | EdLin | Dwonis: OK, #4. Let me figure out #5 ;-) |
| 06:39.41 | com-0 | ext3 with journaling |
| 06:39.50 | wols_ | com-0: ext2 to a degree can be undeleted. ext3 can't |
| 06:39.54 | Volvo | errr |
| 06:39.59 | Wyzard | com-0: apt-cache search undelete |
| 06:40.01 | Volvo | well i need help |
| 06:40.06 | wols_ | Volvo: go to #ubuntu then |
| 06:40.13 | Volvo | i asked there but nothing |
| 06:40.18 | Wyzard | wols_: How would journaling prevent you from undeleting a file if it's possible on ext2? |
| 06:40.20 | Dwonis | Volvo: 7 |
| 06:40.24 | wols_ | Volvo: we can't help you here since we don't run ubuntu, so there will be nothing here too |
| 06:40.25 | EdLin | !they don't know |
| 06:40.25 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 06:40.34 | Dwonis | oops, I mean EdLin: 7 |
| 06:40.36 | Volvo | ok |
| 06:40.55 | com-0 | Wyzard: nothing |
| 06:41.08 | Dwonis | EdLin: impressively efficient, actually |
| 06:41.11 | Volvo | as i am new to this linux machines, can you please guide me where i can set or find option to change password for such ? |
| 06:41.17 | Volvo | perhaps a hint ? |
| 06:41.18 | Wyzard | com-0: "apt-cache search undelete" returns nothing for you? |
| 06:41.25 | Dwonis | Volvo: passwd |
| 06:41.27 | ese5 | ok I think I upgraded to etch... now how do I install xorg |
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| 06:41.38 | Wyzard | com-0: I get three packages, two of which look useful: e2undel and recover |
| 06:41.56 | EdLin | Volvo: well, for one thing, Ubuntu doesn't have a root account. |
| 06:42.02 | Wyzard | com-0: I run sid, but I'd be surprised if neither of them was in sarge |
| 06:42.05 | com-0 | sorry... now i get these |
| 06:42.09 | Volvo | sure its disabled edlin |
| 06:42.09 | EdLin | Volvo: so the proceedure would be slightly different |
| 06:42.14 | com-0 | but i have ext3 not ext2 |
| 06:42.18 | webfreak | com-0: also check out testdisk |
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| 06:42.26 | Volvo | ok, i am listening |
| 06:42.28 | webfreak | com-0: i've used it successfully before |
| 06:42.30 | Dwonis | EdLin: huh? Oh, you mean the password's disabled? |
| 06:42.43 | Dwonis | EdLin: What do they use for sulogin? |
| 06:42.44 | insmod | Volvo: just boot to single user |
| 06:43.07 | EdLin | Dwonis: sudo |
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| 06:43.24 | Wyzard | Dwonis: I think single-user mode doesn't prompt for a password on Ubuntu, though I'm not sure of that |
| 06:43.40 | Volvo | well I can enable root account |
| 06:43.49 | insmod | Wyzard: no but it gives access to change it |
| 06:44.08 | Volvo | when I was installing it, asked for root privilleges to be granted and I allowed |
| 06:44.28 | wols_ | Wyzard: 21:26 < amphi> wols_: this is why you can't undelete on ext3, "In order to ensure that ext3 can safely resume an unlink after a crash, it ac |
| 06:44.29 | Volvo | now I am trying my default user name and password but it says invalid |
| 06:44.31 | wols_ | tually zeros out the block pointers in the inode" |
| 06:44.47 | Wyzard | wols_: ah, ok |
| 06:44.49 | _Darks | how i can show the log from the system in the desktop |
| 06:44.49 | EdLin | Volvo: at any rate, your question is not a Debian question |
| 06:44.49 | Volvo | actually I think I am on single user account |
| 06:45.09 | wols_ | ese5: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 06:45.38 | wols_ | Volvo: all accounts are "single user". single user is a runlevel. now go to #ubuntu where you belong |
| 06:45.40 | insmod | _Darks: xterm -e cat /var/log/messages |
| 06:46.04 | Volvo | : ) ok thanks for helping |
| 06:46.20 | EdLin | Volvo: "shutdown now" (with no flags) will put you in single user mode |
| 06:46.32 | insmod | wols_: ya a maintanance level lol :) |
| 06:46.39 | Tallu| | wols_, done setting it up.. wish me luck :) |
| 06:46.39 | EdLin | Volvo: assuming of course, you can get sudo to work again |
| 06:46.57 | ese5 | argh |
| 06:47.00 | ese5 | how do you install xorg |
| 06:47.09 | Tallu| | wols_, what on earth is this... |
| 06:47.12 | ese5 | i did apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 06:47.23 | Tallu| | wols_, now it started up lilo from somewhere |
| 06:47.38 | wols_ | Tallu|: from your MBR I guess :) |
| 06:47.41 | EdLin | ese5: x-window-system installs xorg on testing/unstable/backports. Otherwise it's XFree86 |
| 06:47.43 | ese5 | and it tried to remove my kernel image |
| 06:47.55 | Tallu| | wols_, uhh.. how would I go about getting grub over there. :( |
| 06:47.58 | ese5 | edlin: ok well I think i just upgraded to etch |
| 06:48.23 | Wyzard | Volvo: If you didn't get an answer in Ubuntu, it could have something to do with the fact that it's nighttime (on a Saturday, no less) in the western hemisphere, and many of the people who would talk there are probably sleeping |
| 06:48.29 | EdLin | ese5: you must have not run dist-upgrade |
| 06:48.31 | wols_ | Tallu|: as I said above: root (hd0,1) and then setup(hd0) |
| 06:48.51 | Volvo | thanks Wyzard |
| 06:48.51 | wols_ | ese5: which kernel versions did it want to remove |
| 06:49.01 | wols_ | EdLin: dist-upgrade doesn't change kernels |
| 06:49.04 | Tallu| | wols_, yes but.. how do I get back there. all of a sudden when I'm done configuring grub it doesnt show up anymore :P |
| 06:49.22 | ese5 | yeah i ran dist-upgrade |
| 06:49.24 | wols_ | run grub-install, or grub as root |
| 06:49.29 | ese5 | and it wanted to remove 2.6.8 something |
| 06:49.36 | EdLin | wols_: it does if you have the proper meta-package |
| 06:49.49 | wols_ | ese5: did it want to install a different kernel instead? |
| 06:50.13 | ese5 | i don't know... i mean it did this when i was trying to install xserver-xorg ... after the little ncurses config thing |
| 06:50.14 | wols_ | EdLin: meta-package for what? and I never ever got a different kernel by dist-upgrade |
| 06:50.15 | Tallu| | wols_, ahh okay.. thanks once again |
| 06:50.31 | ese5 | it said "removing kernel 2.6.8" whatever |
| 06:50.31 | wols_ | ese5: install a recent kernel |
| 06:50.47 | Tallu| | wols_, yes! it works! thank you |
| 06:50.47 | ese5 | and then complained that it could be a disaster if I continued |
| 06:50.49 | ese5 | so I said no |
| 06:50.51 | wols_ | ese5: install something with udev most probably. etch has newer kernels than 2.6.8 |
| 06:51.06 | EdLin | wols_: kernel-image-2.6-686, for example (that's for sarge, for etch and sid, linux-image-etc) |
| 06:51.07 | Tallu| | wols_, you've really saved my week |
| 06:51.22 | ese5 | but anyways |
| 06:51.27 | wols_ | Tallu|: np |
| 06:51.30 | ese5 | what does the kernel version have to do with installing xorg |
| 06:51.34 | wols_ | ese5: install 2.6.15 or whatever etch has |
| 06:51.44 | ese5 | how do you upgrade to etch? |
| 06:51.51 | ese5 | i just change sources.list |
| 06:52.00 | ese5 | and then did apt-get update / apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 06:53.05 | dig | hi folx, |
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| 06:54.47 | dig | I need to know about atd, what kind of process is this? it blocks port 443 and therefor my apache-ssl |
| 06:55.40 | liable | man atd? |
| 06:56.11 | liable | or.. /usr/share/doc/atd? |
| 06:56.29 | ese5 | what the hell... ? now when I try to apt-get install xserver-xorg it bitches about a bunch of unmet dependencies |
| 06:56.32 | ese5 | why didn't it do that a minute ago? |
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| 06:56.49 | ayaz | bah. |
| 06:56.51 | dig | liable, I have read man atd but I don't know how this process was started and need to kill it... |
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| 06:58.05 | liable | dig: i have no idea how you have managed to get it to listen to a port.. |
| 06:58.17 | wols_ | liable: exploit? |
| 06:58.36 | wols_ | dig: telnet to port 443. look what it does |
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| 06:58.43 | liable | wols_: seems a sane answer i guess.. |
| 06:59.13 | wols_ | dig: and look exactly from where this funny atd started, where its binary is on disk |
| 06:59.43 | dig | it is on /usr/sbin/atd |
| 07:00.19 | wols_ | that's the normal place |
| 07:00.30 | dig | how do I telnet to port 443? 127.0.0.1:443? |
| 07:00.45 | wols_ | it gets started like any other daemon from /etc/init.d/ (or rather your runlevel rcX.d) |
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| 07:00.53 | webfreak | dig: space instead of : |
| 07:00.56 | wols_ | telnet localhost 443 |
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| 07:01.40 | dig | Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost.Escape character is '^]'. |
| 07:01.42 | Tallu| | wols_, this laptop is proving to be much more work than i had anticipated. next, kernel upgrade to be able to use a reverse engineered driver for a basically unsupported wireless card :P |
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| 07:02.31 | com-0 | webfreak: where is the cammand for getting the lost file? when i use P (list files) on the linux partation i get seg. fault! |
| 07:02.41 | dfranke | Is there a way to create my own compose sequences without modifying the xorg-installed Compose file? |
| 07:02.47 | dig | I seem to be connected wols_ I don't understand why this process started in the first place, do I need it for something? |
| 07:02.59 | webfreak | com-0: i'm not sure, and i'm about to go to bed. hopefully someone else can help. |
| 07:03.06 | ese5 | i don't even see xorg in aptitude.. this is driving me insane |
| 07:03.30 | my007ms | hello all |
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| 07:04.23 | my007ms | is were somehow let me make init start bash only but i don't remmber it i was pass somethink like this in init=/bin/bash |
| 07:04.26 | dig | wols_ how do I get out of there? |
| 07:04.27 | jojoman02 | is there any way to make the current gnome (ctrl+f) search in the current directory instead of /home/xxx all the time??? |
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| 07:06.10 | wols_ | dig: ctrl+c. if that doesn't work: go to a different virtual console and "killall telnet" |
| 07:06.18 | wols_ | or kill <pid> |
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| 07:08.13 | dig | well, that helped but I still don't know more about this atd, I have read what it does, should I kill the process? |
| 07:08.41 | wols_ | I told you how to stop it and the manpage tells you what it does |
| 07:09.07 | wols_ | and an atd which opens a port is more than a little suspicious. personally I think you got hacked |
| 07:09.26 | dig | wols_ it doesn't stop... |
| 07:09.51 | wols_ | cause even if a legit programmer programmed atd to listen on a port, no one would ever use port 443 for it |
| 07:09.57 | wols_ | so reinstall your system |
| 07:10.17 | dig | common, re-install? |
| 07:10.25 | wols_ | dekup: what you should do is not messaging people first |
| 07:10.43 | wols_ | well, format first. THEN reinstall |
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| 07:14.00 | wols_ | !ops dekup can't write to the channel. #debian is the only channel that has this problem for him |
| 07:14.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: wols_ complains about: dekup can't write to the channel. #debian is the only channel that has this problem for him |
| 07:14.25 | peterS | wols_: uh, what? |
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| 07:14.42 | peterS | dekup: you need to not IRC as root. to discourage this practice, we don't let root users talk in here |
| 07:14.45 | wols_ | he says he can't write to the channel. has he been muted or such? |
| 07:15.02 | peterS | wols_: he's logged in as root. this is our subtle way of encouraging people not to do taht |
| 07:15.02 | wols_ | instead he messaged me |
| 07:15.13 | wols_ | "root has landed" was a better reminder |
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| 07:16.40 | tarzeau | !roundcube |
| 07:16.49 | tarzeau | there's two ITPs and still no package |
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| 07:17.40 | peterS | dekup: welcome back (: |
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| 07:17.42 | wols_ | tarzeau: subtle hint to package it yourself :) |
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| 07:17.53 | dekup | :) ok |
| 07:17.53 | tarzeau | wols_: i'm working on real software :) |
| 07:17.57 | tarzeau | wols_: this is PHP stuff |
| 07:18.19 | tarzeau | wols_: i'd rather takeover packaging bloboats |
| 07:18.24 | toraton | If you're working on real stuff, why not use a real language? |
| 07:18.24 | wols_ | tarzeau: but you really talk a lot more about unreal software like games :P |
| 07:18.37 | tarzeau | it's a pity when people block software with ITPs,.. i should contact those |
| 07:18.49 | tarzeau | wols_: i meant emacs.app and the www.etoile-project.org |
| 07:18.55 | tarzeau | wols_: but yeas games > PHP |
| 07:19.06 | tarzeau | (unless the games itself are written in python, php or perl) |
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| 07:19.37 | dekup | when i install alsaconf it says no snd module found.. it was working.. i typed apt-get --purge remove alsa-base. and reinstalled it gave this error.. |
| 07:19.38 | wols_ | please don't slam perl. it's a good scripting language. clean, powerful,etc |
| 07:19.42 | dekup | what should i do? |
| 07:19.50 | peterS | dekup: what kernel version? 'uname -r' |
| 07:19.53 | wols_ | dig: do you changed kernels since it worked? |
| 07:19.58 | dig | o wow I have atd listen to port 443 means that I have to re-install my whole server? |
| 07:20.01 | dig | no wols_ |
| 07:20.21 | dekup | 2.6.8.3.-3-386 |
| 07:20.25 | tarzeau | wols_: indeed, i've used perl myself too (it's nice for small things) |
| 07:20.37 | peterS | dekup: ah so alsa modules should all exist. do you know what sound chip you've got? |
| 07:20.42 | peterS | dekup: 'lspci | grep audio' will tell |
| 07:20.43 | dig | I have yesterday installed a new version of plone and zope, but no kernel for a while... |
| 07:20.44 | wols_ | dig: if you didn't make atd listen on that port yourself and if you are exploited which is very likely in that case, then yes, reinstall is the only way |
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| 07:20.51 | dekup | cs4237b |
| 07:20.56 | tarzeau | wols_: (for mac os x/windows), https://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats/ |
| 07:20.58 | dekup | not pci |
| 07:21.01 | dekup | isa pnp |
| 07:21.13 | CreativePony | Hi, i'm trying to get mod_proxy to work in an apache 1.3 installation on a debian server (testing/unstable).. but, apache doesn't seem to have the proxy module loaded, and we can't find anything in the system that seems to be mod_proxy stuff, or any deb packages for apache 1.3.. |
| 07:21.13 | tarzeau | wols_: obviously it runs on linux too but we have inetd. (for gnu/kfreebsd i've used it too) |
| 07:21.17 | dekup | non of snd modules is installed |
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| 07:21.37 | wols_ | dekup: tryp modprobe soundcore |
| 07:21.47 | dig | wols_ can I find out what else is going on (like if stuff is being transferred to other places? |
| 07:21.52 | tarzeau | peterS: don't forget -i in grep |
| 07:21.54 | peterS | dekup: oh ... and if you 'modprobe snd-cs4236' does that do anything? |
| 07:21.57 | tarzeau | peterS: it's Audio often |
| 07:22.03 | dig | maybe I am wrong with this? |
| 07:22.08 | dekup | no such module it gives |
| 07:22.17 | tarzeau | peterS: and it'll fail if you don't update-pciids (on newer hardware) |
| 07:22.18 | wols_ | dig: not on this machine directly. you need to put a sniffer between your exploited PC and its upstream |
| 07:22.19 | peterS | tarzeau: no it isn't, the PCI class for 0401 is "Multimedia audio controller" in pci.ids |
| 07:22.32 | tarzeau | peterS: 0401 is not all audio devicesx |
| 07:22.33 | wols_ | anything you do or run on the exploited PC is possibly compromised |
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| 07:22.38 | tarzeau | peterS: there's also 0403 at least |
| 07:22.53 | peterS | tarzeau: never seen one of those |
| 07:22.57 | tarzeau | peterS: i did |
| 07:22.58 | olympus7 | :'( |
| 07:23.26 | tarzeau | and lspci gives me 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 07:23.37 | tarzeau | 00:10.1 0403: 10de:026c (rev a2) |
| 07:23.53 | peterS | dekup: I find that interesting, that the 2.6.8 debian kernel would not have snd-cs4236. it should. |
| 07:23.54 | wols_ | dig: another thing is to tar the full disk up and put in into another PC (the image) for dissection. checking if /usr/sbin/atd is the proper size etc |
| 07:23.57 | tarzeau | and alot of linux audio software is just broke |
| 07:23.58 | CreativePony | nevermind! sorted! |
| 07:24.17 | tarzeau | (or some audio drivers, but they get fixed fortunately) |
| 07:24.52 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/pony.jpg |
| 07:25.03 | wols_ | tarzeau: maybe you like this quote: PHP is a minor evil perpetrated and created by incompetent amateurs, whereas Perl is a great and insidious evil, perpetrated by skilled but perverted professionals |
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| 07:26.02 | liable | heh |
| 07:26.03 | dekup | wols_: it wrote no soundcore module |
| 07:26.34 | huhlig | anyone here played with zimbra on debian? |
| 07:26.57 | peterS | dekup: now that's suspicious. is this really a debian kernel? |
| 07:27.08 | dekup | yes |
| 07:27.20 | dekup | debian sarge |
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| 07:28.22 | dekup | it wrote FATAL : module soundcore not found |
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| 07:30.02 | tato | why is it i'm only getting 900kB/sec on a usb 2.0 harddrive? |
| 07:30.07 | dekup | i installed alsa-source alsa-base alsa-utils and kernel-headers for my kernel but it didnt work |
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| 07:30.29 | peterS | dekup: well ... snd-cs4236 certainly should be there, according to http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386&version=stable&arch=i386&page=27&number=50 |
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| 07:31.17 | peterS | dekup: don't know what to tell you, your information does not add up. the sarge 2.6.8-3-386 kernel certainly seems to include the things your system is saying are not found |
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| 07:31.30 | tato | does usb 2.0 not work on linux? |
| 07:31.54 | tarzeau | someone here with sid/x and soundcard on ia64/amd64? |
| 07:32.00 | tarzeau | tato: yes it does |
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| 07:32.17 | peterS | tato: it's always worked fine for me. what type of device are you having trouble with? |
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| 07:32.34 | dig | wols_ I have the following output of netstat -pan http://pastebin.ca/173789 which includes atd... |
| 07:32.50 | tato | is there something special i should be doing? i just mounted this laptop HD in an enclosure and mounted it like any other device |
| 07:33.10 | dekup | there is no "sound" folder in /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/kernel |
| 07:33.17 | tato | mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /mnt is what i did |
| 07:33.33 | peterS | dekup: so that's weird, that should not happen. something's screwy on your system |
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| 07:33.51 | tato | and the device works with windows at the usb2.0 speed |
| 07:33.55 | wols_ | dig: you're a DDOS zombie |
| 07:33.58 | peterS | tato: are the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' kernel modules loaded? |
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| 07:34.15 | dekup | what can i do? should i reinstall my system? |
| 07:34.20 | tato | i use modprobe to figure that out, right peterS ? |
| 07:34.25 | peterS | tato: well, 'lsmod' |
| 07:34.34 | wols_ | dekup: I'd reinstall the kernel |
| 07:34.49 | dekup | how? |
| 07:34.49 | peterS | dekup: I'd try very hard to figure out who's been messing with your installed system and removing stuff from your /lib/modules |
| 07:34.54 | tato | peterS: yes they are |
| 07:35.08 | peterS | tato: and 'cat /proc/partitions' - does sda1 show up? |
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| 07:35.19 | tato | yep |
| 07:35.23 | wols_ | dig: you're in a private channel (well your machine is) at SingNet.SG.GalaxyNet.Org and listening for commands from the botmaster whenever he wants to send spam or DDOS someone |
| 07:35.26 | Guerin | !lart IBM for protecting the MBR without providing an ability to turn it off |
| 07:35.28 | tato | peterS, it mounts fine |
| 07:35.35 | dekup | it happened after i removed alsa-base |
| 07:35.36 | peterS | tato: also, are you sure it is an ext3 filesystem? this surprises me, since you said you also use it with windows |
| 07:35.53 | wols_ | peterS: www.fs-driver.org |
| 07:35.54 | Tallu| | Guerin, oh, that must be the issue I was having too.. |
| 07:35.54 | liable | Guerin: eh? |
| 07:35.56 | tato | peterS, its not that i can't mount it, its just going at the usb 1.1 speed |
| 07:36.04 | tato | yes i'm sure its ext3 |
| 07:36.04 | peterS | wols_: oh come on, nobody uses that |
| 07:36.11 | Tallu| | Guerin, couldnt install grub on mbr.. but then all of a sudden lilo was able to overwrite it or something :P |
| 07:36.14 | wols_ | peterS: why not? |
| 07:36.16 | peterS | tato: oh, do you have the ehci_hcd kernel module loaded? |
| 07:36.21 | Guerin | liable: can't install grub to my mbr on my stinkpad |
| 07:36.29 | Guerin | Tallu|: oh, lilo worked? |
| 07:36.29 | tato | peters, it works with windows before i wiped out the fat partition :-) |
| 07:36.33 | Tallu| | Guerin, yeah |
| 07:36.37 | liable | Guerin: never heard of that. |
| 07:36.41 | Guerin | Tallu|: i didn't even try that, stupid me |
| 07:36.47 | tato | peterS: negative |
| 07:37.02 | Tallu| | Guerin, but everything got messed up and now I spent 4 hours with the help of wols to fix it all, hehe. but yeah, lilo went on and overwrote everything happily |
| 07:37.04 | peterS | tato: the uhci_hcd / ohci_hcd kernel modules provide USB 1.1 speed, the ehci_hcd module provides USB 2.0 speed |
| 07:37.18 | Guerin | well, i'm trying a bit of dsl ninjawork to fix it |
| 07:37.20 | peterS | tato: yes, I agree that it is strange that you have 2 drivers that talk to the same physical USB ports, but there you have it |
| 07:37.29 | Guerin | but yeah, =lilo could be an option |
| 07:37.46 | peterS | tato: you might have to unmount / unplug your drive before it is redetected as a USB 2.0 device. I don't know the details. but load the ehci_hcd module. |
| 07:37.54 | Tallu| | Guerin, I installed lilo, then after that I was able to install grub on it |
| 07:37.58 | wols_ | Tallu|: if grub simply won't work with your MBR, set up lilo so it immediately runs /dev/hda2 |
| 07:38.07 | liable | Guerin: the only thing is the hidden partition, which linux usually sees anyway, even if you hide it in bios.. |
| 07:38.09 | Tallu| | wols_, it works just fine now :) |
| 07:38.16 | Guerin | liable: i nuked that sucka |
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| 07:38.25 | dig | wols_ I am not on this machine chatting at the moment... I am just on a windows pc, the problem is my server out there.. I can't just format and reinstall, I have no physical access to the box |
| 07:38.47 | peterS | dig: did you say "my server"? sorry, but it's apparently no longer your server |
| 07:38.52 | wols_ | dig: usually hosters have a rescue system for such eventualities |
| 07:38.55 | Guerin | dig: you're gonna have to if it're really been pwned by singtard botmaster(bator)s |
| 07:39.02 | tato | peterS: woot! thanks, its going at full speed after i loaded ehci |
| 07:39.08 | wols_ | dig: but your machine IS compromised, I know this for certain now |
| 07:39.15 | peterS | tato: cool. to make sure ehci_hcd loads at boot time you can add it to /etc/modules |
| 07:39.32 | tato | peterS, that was about to be my next question |
| 07:39.36 | dig | from the output? |
| 07:39.47 | dig | wols_? |
| 07:40.04 | wols_ | dig: yes. a process connecting to some strange irc server is all proof one ever needs |
| 07:40.17 | dig | this never happened to me before, damn, I thought I would be on a save iste |
| 07:40.20 | tato | though i think usb2/ehci should be enabled by default... any reason it isn't? |
| 07:40.27 | wols_ | dig: just try to connect to that 6668 IP from your netstat output |
| 07:40.55 | peterS | tato: I dunno, I thought that module was supposed to be loaded automatically these days too, if you had the appropriate USB chip |
| 07:40.56 | liable | dig: what version of debian is on this server? |
| 07:41.17 | Tallu| | Guerin, funny you came here with that problem just now.. I though I had messed something up but it must be the lenovo instead :P |
| 07:41.52 | dig | liabel sarge... hold on |
| 07:41.52 | liable | dig: btw, turn it off now, you are prolly hosting phishing sites |
| 07:41.52 | wols_ | dig: you can also sniff the traffic of this zombie and find out they channel and its key. look who the botmaster is and tell the irc ops of that network. if they are legit they will close that channel |
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| 07:42.21 | dig | I am damned, I don't know how to do this stuff... |
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| 07:43.09 | wols_ | dig: what's important is to figure out how the bad guy got in too |
| 07:43.16 | wols_ | to prevent the same happening in the future |
| 07:43.33 | liable | blog exploit and non updated kernel :) |
| 07:43.34 | wols_ | that means looking at everything you did and ran on the server |
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| 07:44.02 | roxy_ | in .bashrc , what rc stands for ? |
| 07:44.13 | wols_ | liable: the baddie already uses port80. doubt he ran his blog on another port :) |
| 07:44.26 | dig | I need to turn of everything, but backup the whole thing first... |
| 07:44.44 | wols_ | dig: kill -9 that atd process. NOW |
| 07:44.49 | EdLin | roxy_: "run command", it's a legacy of an earlier mainframe OS |
| 07:44.59 | roxy_ | EdLin: thanks |
| 07:45.02 | mutk | The Haxor cannot be that clever if you can still see the port connection in netstat.. |
| 07:45.13 | wols_ | that's true |
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| 07:45.23 | wols_ | but he still got in |
| 07:45.28 | mutk | At least it appears that a rootKit has not been deployed _yet_.. |
| 07:45.36 | dig | wols_ I tried kill -9 /usr/sbin/atd not good |
| 07:45.57 | mutk | dig, It respawned riht? |
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| 07:46.20 | dig | no such pid, what is the pid? |
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| 07:46.37 | wols_ | process id. ps aux |grp atd will tell you |
| 07:46.40 | mutk | dig, netstat -tunp |
| 07:47.03 | liable | wols_: never heard of virtual hosts? :P |
| 07:47.03 | wols_ | pid should be 20058 |
| 07:47.19 | wols_ | liable: not unless atd runs his blog now :) |
| 07:47.42 | wols_ | hmm... atd as a webserver... it's much smaller than apache too! great idea! |
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| 07:48.37 | sepski | dig, is the irc process running as root? or some other user. that can indicate how they got in |
| 07:48.38 | Guerin | nope, lilo not working either |
| 07:48.41 | Guerin | fucking thing |
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| 07:48.49 | dig | wols_ the process was running as www-data, now after kill -9 it is running as root!!! |
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| 07:49.11 | Guerin | dig: take the box down, get it shipped back to you, and reinstall |
| 07:49.12 | wols_ | dig: you had apache running before? |
| 07:49.17 | Guerin | dig: or get the host to reinstall |
| 07:49.18 | dig | I am currently rebooting |
| 07:49.19 | liable | just cause the id says atd, doesnt mean thats the *real* process... |
| 07:49.34 | mutk | Yeh your definately rooted here. |
| 07:49.49 | sepski | dig, once it's up again , tar down /var/log and transfer it to your local machine. |
| 07:50.05 | sepski | incase they havent had time to tamper with it yet |
| 07:50.26 | dig | wols_ yes damn, I need to back up my sites first, I have the sites all not backed only on the server... |
| 07:50.40 | sepski | dig, if something runs as www-data it's often a insecure web script. eg formmail or some inhouse thing |
| 07:50.48 | liable | Guerin: whats the actual errors, i have never heard of a thinkpad refusing to write to mbr |
| 07:50.59 | liable | Guerin: and what model? |
| 07:51.03 | Guerin | i don't have them in front of me |
| 07:51.05 | sepski | or webmin |
| 07:51.07 | Guerin | liable: t42 |
| 07:51.16 | Guerin | liable: i'm just going to try and do it manuelly |
| 07:51.26 | wols_ | dig: one of your apache sites has a bad bug most probably. before you can put them back up you have to check evreything! for possible exploits |
| 07:51.35 | wols_ | otherwise you're rooted again next week |
| 07:51.51 | Terr1 | Has Ident.d been messed with in unstable? |
| 07:52.28 | liable | Terr1: read the changelog |
| 07:52.44 | wols_ | dig: another possibility is one of your users had his login data stolen and then a local kernel exploit was done on your server |
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| 07:53.28 | liable | deevux: relogin as non root user |
| 07:53.34 | wols_ | liable: sure bets are boring :) |
| 07:53.59 | wols_ | deevux: until you relogin as non-root you can't talk in here |
| 07:54.03 | dig | after restart the atd is no longer listening on the http ports |
| 07:54.13 | liable | wols_: unless people are betting about *your* server :) |
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| 07:54.19 | wols_ | dig: anything else listening? |
| 07:54.33 | wols_ | liable: good point :) |
| 07:54.42 | dig | seems to be... the apache doesn't start up... |
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| 07:55.09 | liable | dig: what php/blog shits were you running on apache? |
| 07:55.34 | Terr1 | liable, can the changelog be found on debian.org? |
| 07:55.49 | liable | Terr1: you are on a debian machine atm? |
| 07:55.50 | dig | liable: I have a tikiwiki running and some small homecooked scripts |
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| 07:55.55 | Tallu| | Whoo, done compiling the new kernel. :) |
| 07:55.59 | dig | also a mediawiki |
| 07:56.01 | Terr1 | liable, yes but not unstable |
| 07:56.10 | wols_ | Tallu|: hopefully without initrd? |
| 07:56.11 | sepski | dig netstat -plon | grep 80 say anything ? |
| 07:56.32 | Tallu| | wols_, yes |
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| 07:56.43 | wols_ | just checking :) |
| 07:57.05 | Tallu| | wols_, now I ran into the next problem.. it tried to configure it with lilo, which obviously didn't work. :P |
| 07:57.11 | wols_ | btw: what shitty driver do you need so you have to compile a kernel= |
| 07:57.12 | liable | Terr1: you should be able to find the changelog, i cant remember if p.d.o shows em though |
| 07:57.33 | Tallu| | wols_, I purged lilo now, but not sure if that'll be enough :) |
| 07:57.38 | wols_ | kernel-package should work fine with grub |
| 07:57.46 | wols_ | maybe uninstall lilo now that you don't need it anymore |
| 07:57.46 | Xorm | quick |
| 07:57.51 | Xorm | what's the chmod for executable? |
| 07:57.53 | pst | erm, how can I listen to a normal audio CD? |
| 07:57.55 | Xorm | 775? |
| 07:58.06 | wols_ | then recompile the kernel with kernel-package (no make clean nedede, it will be quick) |
| 07:58.14 | pst | Xorm, that is executable yes, but you need to be more specific |
| 07:58.22 | Xorm | shell script |
| 07:58.32 | liable | dig: have you checked those packages for news items, and also, just to satisfy my morbid curiousity, whats uname -r print? |
| 07:58.34 | Tallu| | wols_, I used make-kpkg kernel_image and then dpkg -i kernel-name |
| 07:58.35 | wols_ | Xorm: 755 if anything. but only 3 bits are "x". not 3 bytes |
| 07:58.50 | Xorm | ah. |
| 07:58.51 | Xorm | thanks. |
| 07:59.29 | dig | liable: 2.6.14.2 |
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| 07:59.30 | wols_ | Tallu|: it probably tries to install via lilo since lilo is still installed on your system |
| 07:59.34 | Tallu| | wols_, should I add it to grub manually or is there a way for me to tell my system that hey, I have grub installed instead |
| 07:59.37 | wols_ | dig: stay with sarge official krenels |
| 07:59.43 | sepski | dig: didnt you say sarge? |
| 07:59.44 | Tallu| | wols_, I just purged lilo so it should be gone |
| 07:59.44 | liable | dig: you lose, why are you running that on a srge server? |
| 08:00.12 | wols_ | Tallu|: as I said above, try to remove lilo and recompile the kernel. that should do it. if not: edit by hand ;) |
| 08:00.25 | dig | liable, this is an install from the host... |
| 08:00.42 | wols_ | then tell the host and scold them for it |
| 08:00.51 | liable | dig: if your gonna admin a server, subscribe to some mailing lists, the kernel exploit was fixed about 2 months ago :( |
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| 08:01.15 | wols_ | your host gave you a non standard kernel and then didn't make sure you had security updates available |
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| 08:01.36 | dig | so it was a kernel exploit? |
| 08:01.53 | wols_ | no. the kernel exploit is a local exploit |
| 08:02.01 | liable | dig: that would have given them root, but they got user access elsewhere |
| 08:02.11 | wols_ | they exploited your wikie or a user password or some other thing to get a local account |
| 08:02.23 | wols_ | then they can gain root via that kernel exploit from july |
| 08:02.47 | Tallu| | wols_, hmm it didnt update it. what i'm curious though is that is there a way to tell debian im using grub again? something like dpkg-reconfigure or just purge grub too and reinstall it? |
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| 08:03.12 | wols_ | Tallu|: dunno. never had that problem :( |
| 08:03.24 | wols_ | I don't think so tho. maybe read kernel-package docs |
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| 08:03.31 | liable | dig: either way, shut it down now, email your provider and abuse them. |
| 08:04.14 | liable | Tallu|: if you have grub installed, kpkg automatically reads your menu.lst |
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| 08:05.01 | liable | Tallu|: i have both installed on one box, and when i install a kernel, it still upgrades menu.lst, even though the loader is lilo |
| 08:05.12 | Tallu| | liable, it didnt update it for me |
| 08:05.14 | Guerin | hm, even manually dd'ing a MBR on there didn't work entirely |
| 08:05.27 | tarzeau | Guerin: to do what? |
| 08:05.31 | tarzeau | Guerin: tried ms-sys yet? |
| 08:05.36 | wols_ | Guerin: isn't stage1 bigger than 512 bytes? |
| 08:05.40 | Guerin | tarzeau: install a mbr to the disk of my stinkpad |
| 08:05.46 | Guerin | wols_: oh, is it? |
| 08:05.51 | tarzeau | Guerin: ms-sys definitely |
| 08:05.52 | liable | no |
| 08:05.53 | Guerin | wols_: that might explain |
| 08:05.58 | Tallu| | wols_, so when i didnt do the initrd, i dont need to specify anything extra, just root and kernel in the list? |
| 08:06.00 | wols_ | Guerin: it is not. I just checked |
| 08:06.10 | Tallu| | liable, I'm thinking something is seriously messed up though.. :( |
| 08:06.18 | dig | liable, probably my fault I installed and did stuff to the server that probably wasn't the sanest. I am not a professional admin, just playing around a little... but it apparently got out of hand. |
| 08:06.28 | Guerin | when I booted with the manually dd'ed MBR off my desktop (same drive layout), I got GRUB GRUB |
| 08:06.31 | Guerin | and nothing else |
| 08:06.33 | Guerin | no prompt |
| 08:06.37 | wols_ | Guerin: but stage1 needs offsets written to it since stage15 is always on a different palce on disk of course |
| 08:06.43 | dig | now I have to learn how to back up my stuff, get all the mails down from the server etc. |
| 08:06.48 | Guerin | i've zeroed the first few G of the drive and will try again |
| 08:07.20 | wols_ | so each stage1 inside the MBR ir unique iirc |
| 08:07.27 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 08:07.39 | Guerin | fair enough |
| 08:07.48 | Guerin | well, deb is trying again with the installer |
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| 08:07.58 | Guerin | i tried lilo as well, bte |
| 08:08.01 | wols_ | what is the exact error you get when trying to install it? |
| 08:08.02 | liable | dig: that may be so, but your provider shouldnt give you a kernel thats not available to be upgraded via apt (obviously due to the server hardware) or if they do, then to tell you or automatically upgrade it because of security vulnerablilities |
| 08:08.14 | Guerin | it couldn't do it first time, then it could, but in the end it didn't |
| 08:08.17 | wols_ | cause if you can dd, then grub can write too. imho it's the shit installre that grub uses |
| 08:08.24 | Guerin | wols_: yes. |
| 08:08.28 | liable | dig: its certainly not entirely your fault, though that point is a bit moot now |
| 08:08.36 | wols_ | grub is the best bootloader I ever used, but its installing process is the wrost of all the ones I used too |
| 08:08.44 | wols_ | more problems with it than all others combined |
| 08:08.46 | Guerin | wols_: it's great when it works |
| 08:08.50 | Guerin | but it's easily confused |
| 08:08.57 | dig | no liable, it is some evil people out there... |
| 08:09.00 | wols_ | it almost never worked for me |
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| 08:09.13 | liable | Guerin: have you tried dd'ing zeros to the mbr then trying? |
| 08:09.23 | Tallu| | wols_, hmm I gave the kernel root=/dev/hda4 but it panicked and it seems it totally ignored it |
| 08:09.25 | Guerin | liable: just did that, deb is installing now |
| 08:09.37 | Guerin | she's got the network settings written down and all |
| 08:09.46 | wols_ | Tallu|: you haven't compiled all needed drivers most probably. most common custom kernel errr |
| 08:09.47 | Guerin | this is more or less her stinkpad now that I have a box of my own |
| 08:10.26 | liable | dig: you should at least bring this to your hosting peoples attention |
| 08:10.30 | wols_ | Tallu|: compile in the drivers for your IDE chipset and filesystems. no modules for them |
| 08:11.12 | wols_ | Tallu|: what chipset is it? |
| 08:11.42 | Tallu| | wols_, now it can't mount the fs with the older kernel either |
| 08:12.17 | wols_ | exact error message please |
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| 08:13.04 | Tallu| | wols_, mounting /dev/hda1 on /root failed.. etc.. so it's trying to mount a wrong partition again. I'll try and do it manually |
| 08:13.08 | dig | liable, but I don't understand any of this... I have to check if it was possibly awstats (I installed that) or any of the phpsites, maybe it was me, using a too short username and re-using my password on a lot of sites... |
| 08:13.38 | liable | haha, one of the best evar simson quotes.. Burns: "Simpson, i need to be loved" Homer: "erm, <scratches head> well, i'll need some beer.." |
| 08:14.10 | Tallu| | wols_, yeah.. doing it manually ran just fine |
| 08:14.17 | Tallu| | wols_, this is so weird |
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| 08:14.31 | Tallu| | the old kernel that is |
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| 08:15.42 | liable | dig: awstats did have a vulrn that was fixed a long time ago, and yes, if you use the same password for your box as elsewhere, then thats a good possibility, if you only ssh to the box, you might want to consider only allowing key access |
| 08:16.34 | Tallu| | Ok now it works with the old kernel |
| 08:16.34 | dig | I only installed awstats a month ago so it should have been fixed... |
| 08:16.57 | Tallu| | Do I need something to make up for the missing of initrd for my latest kernel? |
| 08:17.33 | liable | dig: either way, hopefully you might want to take more interest in whats needed to admin a secure net facing server :) |
| 08:17.44 | liable | Tallu|: did you build it? |
| 08:18.32 | dig | I will have to learn... |
| 08:18.59 | Tallu| | liable, yes.. I did make-kpkg kernel_image and dpkg -i kernelname, after that I added it to menu.lst but it says it cant mount hda4 for root filesystem (hda4 is my / ) |
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| 08:19.29 | liable | Tallu|: then you have missed a driver in the config |
| 08:20.08 | liable | Tallu|: there should be no need for you to add it to menu.lst, dpkg should do that when it installs the kernel |
| 08:20.15 | Tallu| | well, it didnt |
| 08:20.26 | Tallu| | my bootloaders have been the main cause of my woe for the past 40 hours or so |
| 08:20.39 | Tallu| | for some reason they didnt want to install to mbr and now they dont want to co-operate from the mbr :P |
| 08:20.44 | liable | and it showed no errors when it installed the kernel? |
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| 08:20.51 | Tallu| | nope |
| 08:21.31 | liable | Tallu|: whats perms on menu.lst? |
| 08:21.46 | Tallu| | -rw-r--r-- |
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| 08:22.43 | Tallu| | If I compile my kernel again using make menuconfig and just add ext3 in instead of having it as a module, will it take another 2 hours to compile or should it be quicker then? :P |
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| 08:22.49 | liable | Tallu|: the image is boot though? |
| 08:23.05 | Tallu| | liable, uhm sorry? |
| 08:23.31 | PepperBob | Tallu|: i'm afraid it will need nearly the same time to compile :) |
| 08:23.40 | tarzeau | Tallu|: hehe |
| 08:23.41 | liable | Tallu|: the kernel image (vmlinuz) |
| 08:23.55 | tarzeau | Tallu|: yes that's the disadvantage of monolithic kernels |
| 08:24.05 | tarzeau | Tallu|: you'd be much faster with Mach, or Minix |
| 08:24.18 | Tallu| | liable, it's /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17.13 |
| 08:24.38 | EdLin | tarzeau: or whatever the HURD is using now, Lsomething |
| 08:24.41 | Tallu| | tarzeau, I'm afraid I'm much too unexperienced for any special thingies for now :P |
| 08:24.48 | tarzeau | EdLin: GNU Mach |
| 08:24.53 | tarzeau | EdLin: the L4 stuff is no more i think |
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| 08:25.06 | EdLin | tarzeau: interesting |
| 08:25.10 | liable | Tallu|: can you paste the output from the install and your menu.lst? |
| 08:25.21 | tarzeau | EdLin: there's analogies to other large software projects |
| 08:25.28 | tarzeau | EdLin: look at OpenOffice or Mozilla |
| 08:25.35 | Tallu| | liable, from my install? |
| 08:25.45 | liable | Tallu|: the kernel install.... |
| 08:25.47 | EdLin | tarzeau: what do you mean? |
| 08:25.49 | tarzeau | EdLin: they are unflexible to handle (development wise), and are stalled. they will die |
| 08:26.04 | Tallu| | liable, uhm, I'll just reinstall it then :) |
| 08:26.17 | liable | Tallu|: sure, purge it first though |
| 08:26.20 | tarzeau | EdLin: nobody wants to compile those |
| 08:26.23 | EdLin | tarzeau: who needs OpenOffice when there's nroff? |
| 08:26.30 | tarzeau | EdLin: exactly my thoughts :) |
| 08:26.31 | liable | Tallu|: and remove what you added to menu.lst |
| 08:26.36 | liable | before |
| 08:26.40 | PepperBob | Tallu|: I couldn't follow the discussion up to now. but why was it you need to compile your kernel? why wouldn't you want to use an already comiled kernel from the tree? |
| 08:27.05 | Tallu| | PepperBob, need support for my wireless adapter |
| 08:27.07 | liable | PepperBob: theres various reasons, debian kernels dont suit everyone |
| 08:27.21 | liable | though, thats not a good one... |
| 08:27.34 | liable | Tallu|: why do you need to compile a kernel for that? |
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| 08:28.20 | Tallu| | liable, the guys that reverse engineered the drivers mentioned that it should be done, with some experimental features or something :P |
| 08:28.33 | liable | Tallu|: which driver? |
| 08:28.53 | Tallu| | liable, bmc43xx |
| 08:29.17 | liable | Tallu|: isnt that already in the kernel? |
| 08:30.01 | EdLin | tarzeau: "The problem with What you see is what you get is that what you see is all you get." - Brian Kernighan |
| 08:30.16 | Tallu| | liable, starting from 2.6.17-rc2 I think |
| 08:30.40 | liable | Tallu|: thats not available in te version of debian you have? |
| 08:30.54 | tarzeau | i should try www.minix3.org again |
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| 08:32.12 | chaos_ZzZz | night guys |
| 08:32.13 | Tallu| | liable,oh my, seems to be. :P |
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| 08:32.43 | liable | Tallu|: cool, try the debian one :) |
| 08:33.00 | Tallu| | liable, never occured to me that i might not have to build my own version :P |
| 08:33.04 | PepperBob | chaos_ZzZz: i jut woke up minutes ago but good night to you ;) |
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| 08:33.14 | chaos_ZzZz | eu? |
| 08:33.23 | PepperBob | yes. |
| 08:33.29 | chaos_ZzZz | ca :) |
| 08:33.33 | PepperBob | yerr!! |
| 08:33.44 | chaos_ZzZz | g'night eh? |
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| 08:34.00 | Tallu| | liable, yeah I'll try with that one, thanks :) |
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| 08:35.38 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:35.38 | dpkg | qotd113 is probably greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
| 08:36.38 | Tallu| | I refuse to give up on this kernel quest though. I'll try and get it running with the debian kernel and after that start wondering what could be wrong with the one I built.. maybe it's some drivers indeed |
| 08:37.01 | eegore_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.11 | eegore_ | exit |
| 08:37.15 | liable | hrm, the not writing to menu.lst is weird |
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| 08:38.27 | Guerin | hm, grub still wouldn't work, but lilo did |
| 08:38.27 | Tallu| | liable, I found out that for some reason debian hadnt added the lines to /etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 08:39.02 | aubergine | I have a Textdocument that has many entrys like this: username:id:id2 , which tool can filter me out that the new output are only lines with the usernames? |
| 08:39.09 | Tallu| | liable, also found out why most likely my kernel doesnt work.. it didnt create a initramfs |
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| 08:39.50 | liable | Tallu|: you dont need initrd if you have neccessary shits compiled in |
| 08:40.11 | Tallu| | liable, what do I need to have compiled in then? =) ext3? |
| 08:40.36 | liable | g0dspeed: i had grub problems with my r40, but not for writing to mbr, search linux-thinkpad.org mebbe |
| 08:40.56 | liable | Tallu|: i aint gonna go through a kernel compile with you :P |
| 08:41.10 | Tallu| | liable, haha okay :P |
| 08:42.00 | Tallu| | liable, yeah it seems that the 2.6.17-2 ran just happily |
| 08:42.21 | Guerin | haha |
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| 08:42.27 | liable | Tallu|: cool, and it added to grub no worries? |
| 08:42.31 | Guerin | how does one change the default keymap in console? |
| 08:42.42 | Guerin | deb chose english UK keyboard |
| 08:42.55 | liable | g0dspeed: console-data |
| 08:42.57 | Guerin | thinking that it would automatically spell things colour or something |
| 08:42.59 | streuner | Guerin: those things were always a mysterie ;-) |
| 08:43.00 | liable | Guerin: ^^ |
| 08:43.09 | Tallu| | liable, after I added the necessary lines to /etc/kernel-whatever the name of the file was, yeah |
| 08:43.22 | streuner | !keymap |
| 08:43.22 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 08:43.33 | liable | Tallu|: i have never need to edit that file |
| 08:43.45 | Tallu| | liable, well, me neither until now :P |
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| 08:45.13 | Guerin | hm |
| 08:45.32 | Guerin | under english-uk, what keystroke is ^? |
| 08:45.36 | Guerin | you know |
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| 08:45.38 | Guerin | caret |
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| 08:46.36 | waiting | Guerin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#UK |
| 08:46.48 | Guerin | !beer waiting |
| 08:46.54 | waiting | :O thx |
| 08:47.27 | shay | !beer me! |
| 08:47.35 | shay | that's my boy |
| 08:47.43 | shay | drinks what daddy likes |
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| 08:49.59 | waiting | Guerin: print it out, cut it apart and glue it to the keys :D |
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| 08:53.06 | aubergine | Which command shows a tool that a want nothing as second argument? Bsp "replace -v :id:id2 [nothing] < usernames.txt > output.txt ? |
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| 08:55.51 | SpComb | aubergine: ""? |
| 08:56.06 | dig | so I am done with the backups now. how is a rescue system helping me to regain my server? |
| 08:56.16 | tarzeau | dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `sasl' in statusoverride file |
| 08:57.19 | dig | wols_ I think this atd thing is not running at the moment, I can't see it... |
| 08:57.32 | speedy | courier-maildrop package comes with LDAP support ? |
| 08:57.58 | aubergine | SpComb: This was it, thx |
| 08:58.12 | dig | I think now the apache server is doing some stuff... but it all seems fine to me... |
| 08:58.21 | speedy | is it related to authdaemon for authentication? |
| 08:58.41 | liable | dig: you basically cannot use *any* binary, and you should manually look at every config file to ensure you have a clean system |
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| 08:59.23 | liable | dig: just cause you cant see it doesnt mean you are safe. you have a *compromised* box |
| 08:59.45 | liable | dig: you basically cant trust anything that you dont check yourself |
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| 09:00.21 | liable | dig: which means you need a fresh install and be very carefull with your configs that you copy over |
| 09:00.40 | dig | liable, I wouldn't know how to check everything... you said I should copy the logfiles and my configurations...? |
| 09:01.23 | dig | I have a rescue system from my host which I could probably use to do a new install... |
| 09:01.34 | liable | dig: if i were you, i would just start from scratch and reconfigure from scratch |
| 09:03.38 | SpComb | indeed, if you have root you can load up a kernel module, and that lets you do anything... including hiding the kernel module itself |
| 09:04.35 | anapivirtua_ | Pom Pom Pom² |
| 09:04.43 | dig | thanks liable, I would however have to wait until tomorrow before I can have the server reset to the rescue system and then have to re-install from there... I have to learn a lot... I have to re-install a lot, this is not a good timing, though... |
| 09:04.54 | wols | dig: yes I know you don't want to reformat your server. I can't make you do it, it's your server |
| 09:05.17 | Guerin | wtf, kde+x is 900 |
| 09:05.20 | Guerin | megabytes |
| 09:05.30 | dig | This server has it all: webserver, zope server, mailserver, etc etc... |
| 09:05.33 | wols | but if you don't, it's very very likely (much higher than 50%) that you will be compromised again soon |
| 09:05.50 | aubergine | How can i tell split that it should work with Numbers instead of letters for the output files ? |
| 09:05.53 | dig | especially the courier-mail was a hell of a work to get through with... |
| 09:06.11 | Tallu| | How would I go about making an initramfs for my kernel? I have to build a new one later on so I wont need it but for now I just have to get the new kernel up and running |
| 09:06.16 | wols | dig: google ispmail sarge |
| 09:06.25 | dig | i know wols... |
| 09:07.11 | Guerin | !postfix tutorial |
| 09:07.17 | wols | !initrd |
| 09:07.17 | dpkg | methinks initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 09:07.17 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:07.41 | Guerin | aubergine: use csplit and you can split based on anything |
| 09:08.03 | wols | Guerin: that ispmail sarge is the best tutorial for a mailserver under debian |
| 09:08.09 | Guerin | wols: by far. |
| 09:08.26 | Guerin | wols: i found it just after I went through a week of hell figuring out my own, very similar, system |
| 09:08.48 | wols | dpkg: ispmail is http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 09:08.48 | dpkg | okay, wols |
| 09:08.57 | Guerin | it's already in there somehwere |
| 09:09.02 | Guerin | i just forget where |
| 09:09.20 | Tallu| | wols, once again thanks |
| 09:09.25 | peterS | !listvals ispmail-sarge |
| 09:09.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ispmail-sarge' by value (2): postfix howto ;; ispmail. |
| 09:09.35 | Guerin | !postfix howto |
| 09:09.35 | dpkg | well, postfix howto is see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/ |
| 09:09.42 | Guerin | yeah, that's the onw |
| 09:09.56 | Guerin | i sort-of used the high5 howto, even though it's for freebds |
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| 09:22.32 | positron_ | Can someone help me with rsnapshot? I have googled alot but i havent find a simple way to restore my backups. I have backed up my /lib/ and now I want to restore it from /home/positron/backups.../lib/.. if i just try to copy it gives me strange errors like "/lib/libacl.so.1: file too short" |
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| 09:26.48 | dig | If I have a rescue system, how can I format my hard-drive? |
| 09:27.25 | streuner | man mkfs? |
| 09:27.33 | dig | can I do it at all withouth physical access to the box? |
| 09:30.51 | dig | streuner: talking to me? does mkfs also format the disk? I will have a rescue system and be able to chroot and format the harddrive, like that? I don't know if I am able to do this stuff... |
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| 09:32.23 | dig | wols, now, how can I find out for sure if the box is compromised? |
| 09:33.01 | tarzeau | dig: mkfs writes a file system to a file |
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| 09:38.31 | dig | tarzeau: mkfs would write a file system to a file. so if I delete rm -rf /mnt/hda2 from the rescue system, I would be with an empty hard-drive. Now I could use mkfs? |
| 09:39.24 | speedy | postfix packages comes with VDA ? |
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| 09:39.54 | tarzeau | dig: not exactly |
| 09:40.00 | tarzeau | dig: just overwrite it with mkfs |
| 09:40.09 | tarzeau | dig: don't do the rm stuff |
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| 09:40.31 | dig | just mkfs /mnt/hda2... |
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| 09:42.20 | dig | where does this kernel come from? 2.6.14.2 |
| 09:42.48 | dig | is this a vulnerable kernel that my provider gave me??? |
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| 09:43.11 | wols | yes. at the time your provider gave it to you it wasn't known to be vulnerable of course |
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| 09:43.43 | wols | the problem is that they gave you a kernel but didn't give you an easy way for security updates or just told you about the vulnerability |
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| 09:44.00 | wols | the vulnerability was disclosed in mid july |
| 09:44.05 | dig | wols: beginning of the Year, so when I have the security in my sources.list it doesn't include kernel patches? |
| 09:44.06 | Tallu| | wols, just found out there's no support for my specific chipset.. just the bcm43xx in general. Will have to compile a wireless-dev kernel to get support. :P |
| 09:44.09 | wols | so before that, no one knew about it |
| 09:44.49 | wols | dig: it cannot include security updates to kernels which don't come from debian. sarge has only 2.6.8 and nothing else |
| 09:45.24 | wols | for 2.6.8 there was a security update (2.6.8-3) but for your kernel there wasn't: debian didn't give you the kernel so they are not responsible for it |
| 09:45.48 | dig | sure, so in fact I should shout abuse at my provider... |
| 09:46.05 | dig | hetzner.de... |
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| 09:46.18 | wols | yes. as we already told you. He's not the inly to blame tho, just part of it |
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| 09:46.39 | dig | biggest part will be me... |
| 09:46.48 | wols | but maybe check if they warned you about the kernel exploit somewhere. |
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| 09:47.01 | lynxorgd | new game site out now !! http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628 |
| 09:47.09 | wols | also: if it's a rootserver: the contract is "we give you a server, and now it's your responsibility" |
| 09:47.40 | wols | but you could make them a suggestion like "set up a repository for this kernel so people can update in case" |
| 09:47.46 | lynxorgd | http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628 |
| 09:47.46 | wols | essentially having a security.hetzner.de |
| 09:48.01 | wols | lynxorgd: go away spammer |
| 09:48.02 | lynxorgd | http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628 |
| 09:48.03 | Tallu| | lynxorgd, dont spam, especially not links with referrals |
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| 09:49.56 | lynxorgd | http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628 |
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| 09:50.07 | idealm | Is it possible to run multiple apt-get in the same time? |
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| 09:52.01 | Tallu| | idealm, like apt-get install apache2 mysql-server wireshark ? |
| 09:52.04 | Tallu| | yes |
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| 09:52.14 | Tallu| | but several instances, no |
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| 09:52.52 | lynxorgd | http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628 |
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| 09:53.01 | cafuego | !ops lynxorgd spammer |
| 09:53.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: cafuego complains about: lynxorgd spammer |
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| 09:53.43 | Tallu| | dondelelcaro, whoo! |
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| 09:54.16 | idealm | Tallu|, apt-get install apache2, while apt-get install mysql-server |
| 09:54.18 | dondelelcaro | nb, if anyone legitimate is using aol, let me know, and I'll drop in a +e for you |
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| 09:54.35 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you've registered your nick, of course) |
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| 09:54.56 | aubergine | How can i activate Hyper Threading on a Kernel 2.6 System? |
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| 09:55.24 | dondelelcaro | aubergine: run a kernel which has hyperthreading and smp support |
| 09:55.26 | cydork | aubergine, install smp kernel |
| 09:55.31 | dondelelcaro | aubergine: iirc, the -smp kernels already have it |
| 09:55.33 | idealm | Tallu|, concurrent apt-get process . |
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| 10:00.09 | aubergine | dondelelcaro: SMP is set on and SMT too |
| 10:00.24 | Tallu| | idealm, I believe I answered your question already. You can do apt-get install package1 package 2, or you can do apt-get install package1; remove package2 but you cant have two instances of apt-get running at the same time |
| 10:00.31 | Tallu| | not as far as I know atleast |
| 10:00.45 | aubergine | dondelelcaro: the 2 xeon CPU's are supporter but the HT Function of both not |
| 10:00.52 | Tallu| | ugh, downloading 130 megabytes on a 256 line is a real pain |
| 10:01.34 | wols | "downloading 130 megabytes on a" is redundant |
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| 10:02.26 | liable | Tallu|: you dont know pain untill you try and use sid on dial up :) |
| 10:02.35 | idealm | Tallu|, I just want to download .deb files over Internet with multiple threads, like Gentoo's emerge. |
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| 10:02.44 | wols | idealm: apt needs to lock the package database you can never run two of them at the same time |
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| 10:03.00 | wols | idealm: it cannot do it |
| 10:03.18 | Tallu| | liable, ouch :P |
| 10:03.19 | Tallu| | wols, hehe |
| 10:03.30 | wols | it's also a bad thing. it taxes the server needlessly |
| 10:03.48 | idealm | wols, thanks wols. It's a pain by apt. |
| 10:03.53 | wols | just switch to a mirror near you. it should be able to max out your line |
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| 10:04.09 | wols | idealm: you get the mirrors for free. show some consideration |
| 10:04.57 | idealm | wols, sure, you're right. |
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| 10:06.32 | dondelelcaro | aubergine: then you should see them show up as multiple cpus in /proc/cpuinfo; not all motherboards and CPUs support HT, though. |
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| 10:12.39 | aubergine | dondelelcaro: The xeon does and the tyan board to. The CPU has Flag "ht" for Hyper Threading |
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| 10:13.28 | fyrestrtr | have to say, I'm very dissapointed with debian :( I tried for an entire week (almost) to get it to install on my system properly. Never worked. |
| 10:14.04 | fyrestrtr | Tried it on two different systems, it installed -- but halfway on one. On the other, refused to detect the network card. |
| 10:14.07 | dondelelcaro | aubergine: see http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/23/linux-tips-how-to-find-out-if-a-your-cpu-supports-ht-hyper-threading/ |
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| 10:14.22 | dondelelcaro | fyrestrtr: which installer? Were you using linux26? |
| 10:14.30 | dondelelcaro | fyrestrtr: have you tried the etch d-i betas? |
| 10:14.33 | fyrestrtr | I was using the official installed from the debian website. |
| 10:14.45 | fyrestrtr | the 3.1 installer. |
| 10:14.59 | dondelelcaro | fyrestrtr: right, did you use linux26 at the boot prompt? |
| 10:15.00 | fyrestrtr | the 'netinstall' full cd image (not the business card image) |
| 10:15.11 | fyrestrtr | no, I just hit enter. |
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| 10:15.26 | dondelelcaro | well, you were using the 2.4 kernel then, which may not support your hardware. |
| 10:15.46 | fyrestrtr | on one system, the more 'vanilla' system, it found all the hardware, but gnome wouldn't install. The panel never worked. |
| 10:15.52 | dondelelcaro | also, your hardware may also be too new for 2.6.8 as well, in which case the etch d-i (or the stable d-i betas) are pretty much the only thing that will support it |
| 10:15.56 | fyrestrtr | When I tried to upgrade to testing -- the system refused to boot into X. |
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| 10:16.34 | dondelelcaro | fyrestrtr: first, you'll have to bring things here one at a time, and file bugs for things that aren't working; there's no point in complaining here about a litany of things |
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| 10:17.09 | fyrestrtr | I don't have very new or very old hardware. All other linux distros that I have tried (Ubuntu, Fedora 5 & 6, a few livecds, etc) all detected the hardware fine and worked pretty much 'out-of-the-box'. Debian, which I wanted to use, failed me :( |
| 10:17.24 | fyrestrtr | dondelelcaro: I was in here asking about it all last week. |
| 10:17.45 | fyrestrtr | and a few very kind people tried to help me out, but for the network card issue, it was hopeless. Also, no one mentioned the linux26 trick. |
| 10:17.55 | dondelelcaro | fyrestrtr: well, are you interested in getting it to work? |
| 10:18.10 | fyrestrtr | dondelelcaro: of course, otherwise I wouldn't be in here whining about it :P |
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| 10:18.36 | dondelelcaro | fyrestrtr: well, then I suggest stopping the whining, and starting at getting it installed on the system that you actually want it to run on |
| 10:19.02 | dondelelcaro | and then as you go through, if you run into problems, file bugs so they can be fixed |
| 10:19.07 | fyrestrtr | I wanted it to run on my main work desktop; it failed. So I managed to borrow a Dell desktop machine, so I'm going to try to install it on that. |
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| 10:19.27 | dondelelcaro | fyrestrtr: do you have your main work desktop there now? |
| 10:19.33 | fyrestrtr | I guess I was a bit surprised that it wouldn't work, since all I had been hearing about was stability wrt debian. |
| 10:19.47 | fyrestrtr | dondelelcaro: yes, running ubuntu edgy eft. |
| 10:19.56 | dondelelcaro | are you going to install Debian on it? |
| 10:20.26 | fyrestrtr | not anymore, as it wouldn't install correctly the first time around. There was an error in a package, and the gnome panel wouldn't work properly. |
| 10:20.42 | fyrestrtr | I guess I'm asking is there a more up-to-date install cd than the one at the website. |
| 10:20.47 | fyrestrtr | maybe that will help. |
| 10:20.52 | dondelelcaro | !+d-i fyrestrtr |
| 10:20.53 | dpkg | fyrestrtr, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:21.28 | dondelelcaro | fyrestrtr: see also http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 10:21.50 | fyrestrtr | ermm, this is the one I downloaded (releases/sarge/debian-installer/) |
| 10:22.10 | dondelelcaro | fyrestrtr: yes, but you missed the link on that page to the updated versions of the installer... |
| 10:22.18 | dondelelcaro | (which is the second link I gave you) |
| 10:23.11 | fyrestrtr | okay, I'll download and give it a shot :) Thanks. |
| 10:24.07 | dondelelcaro | fyrestrtr: but first, try using linux26; |
| 10:24.30 | dondelelcaro | (it may already work) |
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| 10:26.14 | wobster | I everyone. I'd like to set up a wireless access point on debian. The wifi clients should be configured with a dhcpd running on the ap machine. Is it correct that the only way to get the broadcast packets through is by means of a network bridge? Or is there some way of directing/routing a broadcast somehow? |
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| 10:26.45 | dondelelcaro | wobster: depends what your network topology is |
| 10:27.48 | dondelelcaro | wobster: if you've got a dhcpd server running on the ap machine, and the wireless net is on the same physical subnet as the dhcpd server, you're good to go |
| 10:28.13 | wobster | dondelelcaro, the type would be "home network". that is, a firewall to the internet, multiple wired clients in the internal network and a dedicated machine which is the ap. wireless and wired clients should be configured the same way. one network. |
| 10:28.44 | dondelelcaro | wobster: is the firewall the dhcpd server? or is the ap the only dhcpd server for the network? |
| 10:29.03 | sepski | wobster, as long as your bridging those 2 interfaces then your good to go |
| 10:29.04 | dondelelcaro | wobster: second, is the wireless network on the same physical subnet as the wired network (or do you want it to be?) |
| 10:29.21 | wobster | dondelelcaro, the issue is that I'd like to secure the wireless connections with a vpn. A bridge between the internal network and the wireless one doesn't allow me to block the wireless traffic. |
| 10:29.44 | dondelelcaro | wobster: right, so you want to have the wireless on a separate subnet |
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| 10:30.06 | wobster | dondelelcaro, yes. definetly. routed. but then the dhcp broadcasts won't get through I guess. |
| 10:30.13 | dondelelcaro | wobster: where is the dhcpd server for the wired network? |
| 10:30.23 | wobster | dondelelcaro, it's on the ap machine |
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| 10:30.36 | wobster | local (wired) network |
| 10:30.44 | dondelelcaro | wobster: ok; then you just have the dhcpd server listen on the wireless iface and the wired iface. |
| 10:30.59 | sepski | wobster, if you intend to use a vpn as you said then openvpn eg would handle the dhcp part for you |
| 10:31.25 | dondelelcaro | wobster: write the dhcpd.conf such that it gives different addresses depending on which interface the DISCOVER originated. |
| 10:31.32 | wobster | sepski, didn't know that. that is of course very nice. |
| 10:31.56 | sepski | wobster, you still need to do what dondelacarlo say, in order for the wireless client to talk to the ap in the first place |
| 10:32.02 | sepski | (otherways your vpn wont work) |
| 10:32.48 | dondelelcaro | wobster: then, you set up the rules on the ap such that packets can only go to the vpn server, the dhcpd server, and the nameserver, and you're pretty much done. |
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| 10:33.57 | tarzeau | try http://bloboats.dy.fi/ it's so great! |
| 10:34.06 | dondelelcaro | (if you decide to do something slightly more complex, you want dhcp3-relay... but you don't need that in your current configuration) |
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| 10:34.18 | wobster | I don't think I understand this. How can a wireless client discover the dhcpd when there's no bridge? Or are broadcasts routable? |
| 10:34.35 | dondelelcaro | wobster: because you've got the dhcpd server listening on the wireless interface as well |
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| 10:34.49 | dondelelcaro | wobster: broadcasts hit it, because it's the AP, and it's on that physical subnet. |
| 10:36.26 | dondelelcaro | you either have to have a dhcpd server listening on the physical subnet, or dhcp3-relay listening on the physical subnet (or a cisco or similar switch) to relay dhcp requests to the dhcp server |
| 10:37.54 | wobster | dondelelcaro, alright. I'll set it up without vpn for testing. |
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| 10:38.58 | wobster | dondelelcaro, in the vpn case I'd let the client discover the dhcpd unsecured, then set up the vpn and openvpn would then configure the tunnel endpoint on the clientside for me? |
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| 10:39.14 | wobster | just like sepski said. |
| 10:39.17 | jshua | #flood |
| 10:39.20 | dondelelcaro | pretty much |
| 10:39.34 | wobster | ugh. sounds fun =) |
| 10:39.52 | wobster | well, alright. thanks so far, dondelelcaro and sepski |
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| 10:43.22 | wobster | dondelelcaro, one more thing. A new subnet entry in the dhcpd.conf would automaticly bind to the correct device? |
| 10:43.56 | dondelelcaro | wobster: the devices it binds to are listed on the command line; but the subnet entry will cause it to give out those addresses to requests comming in on that device |
| 10:44.31 | wobster | Is that a yes or a no? :) |
| 10:45.01 | dondelelcaro | wobster: if you've listed the wireless device on the command line, yes. otherwise, no. |
| 10:45.12 | dondelelcaro | wobster: see /etc/default/dhcp3-server |
| 10:45.23 | dondelelcaro | (and possibly the init.d as well) |
| 10:45.33 | wobster | oh I see. I'll check. thanks again |
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| 10:46.24 | jshua | I am newbie an very confuse with the screen returned by top command, where should I look to see what does it mean? |
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| 10:46.38 | dondelelcaro | jshua: man top; explains it |
| 10:47.09 | jshua | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 10:49.42 | dondelelcaro | jshua: just a hint: most commands are documented in the manpage; man foocmd; will usually give you an idea. I'd suggest man man; man less; man apropos; as soon as you can. |
| 10:50.10 | dondelelcaro | jshua: those three commands (man, less, and apropos) will help you find out anything else you need to know. [try also /msg dpkg reference] |
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| 10:52.25 | jshua | my server is very slow |
| 10:52.30 | jshua | any tip to solve? |
| 10:52.51 | jshua | maybe shortage of memory, Mem: 1028504k av, 1011672k used, |
| 10:54.26 | dondelelcaro | jshua: free; is the only thing that will give you that information |
| 10:54.41 | dondelelcaro | jshua: and you want the +/-Buffers line |
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| 10:58.18 | dererk | Hi all! |
| 10:58.55 | jshua | dondelelcaro: +/-Buffers for what? |
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| 10:59.55 | jshua | -/+ buffers/cache: 65192 963312 |
| 11:00.12 | dererk | Does anyone know a minidistro debian based to install on an usb stick in which I could write and read as a regular hdd ? |
| 11:00.37 | Janne_Doe | hi, I have a problem. I have installed xfce4 on my debian etch but when I try to login as an user, xfce doesn't works (no panel etc, just a background). But when I log in as root, it works... why? |
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| 11:01.36 | dererk | Janne_Doe, It could be a lot of things. Maybe you don't have your user configs files there |
| 11:01.36 | aubergine | jshua: Unused Memory is used to cache Debian Libarys |
| 11:01.59 | dererk | Janne_Doe, try copy root's one to the user (don't forget to chown them) |
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| 11:02.39 | Janne_Doe | thanks dererk but hat are and where are config files? |
| 11:02.43 | Janne_Doe | what* |
| 11:03.15 | dererk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:07.33 | Janne_Doe | dererk, if you want to know: /root/.config/ |
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| 11:07.50 | Janne_Doe | thanks for your help, gonna try it |
| 11:08.07 | clownish | hi... does some bdy here own a Nvidia go 7600 ? |
| 11:10.03 | dererk | not really, but ask anyway |
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| 11:11.20 | dondelelcaro | jshua: there you see that most of your memory is free. |
| 11:11.27 | clownish | dererk, i just isnatlles the nvidia drivers but had to disable agp totaly, and now i want to know how much fps are normal for such a card |
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| 11:11.53 | wols_ | you cannot "diable agp" |
| 11:12.02 | wols_ | at most you can run at 2X or disable fast writes |
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| 11:12.46 | clownish | wols_, okay i do blacklist agppart and intel_agp also i do NvAGP=0 in xorg;) |
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| 11:13.44 | valdyn | clownish: why are you not using agp? |
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| 11:14.03 | clownish | valdyn, because than glxgears freezes |
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| 11:16.10 | dererk | define how it freezes clownish |
| 11:16.31 | dererk | have you use module-assistant to get it run ? |
| 11:16.51 | valdyn | clownish: have you tried nvidias included agp support aswell? |
| 11:17.11 | clownish | dererk, totaly lost of control, no keyboard anymore mouse is move but nor klick able. yes i used the m-a |
| 11:17.17 | clownish | valdyn, yes |
| 11:17.19 | valdyn | clownish: that was NvAGP=3 iirc |
| 11:17.33 | valdyn | clownish: uname -r |
| 11:17.46 | wols_ | clownish: what chipset on your mobo, what kernel version? |
| 11:17.52 | clownish | valdyn, moment please... i just tried NvAGp=2 |
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| 11:18.26 | valdyn | clownish: that could be 'automatic' and would use the nvidia agp support if no intel_agp was loaded |
| 11:19.00 | dorel__ | if i run make menuconfig when i have an already existing .config file on the current dir it uses it rather than show a 'default' kernel config template? |
| 11:19.05 | valdyn | clownish: or whatever, i dont know the values, you should |
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| 11:19.19 | valdyn | dorel__: right |
| 11:19.27 | wols_ | dorel__: yes |
| 11:19.46 | wols_ | but if you have a .config from any other kernel and not this special one, run "make oldconfig" |
| 11:20.02 | valdyn | clownish: dpkg -l nvidia-glx | tail -1 |
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| 11:20.37 | clownish | valdyn, mh freeze okay i have to wait till it has rebooted, then i tell you the kernel version.... by the way it a pciexpress card. on the mobo is a card to, an intel "Idontknow" this is why i had disabled intel_agp |
| 11:20.56 | wols_ | updatepciids |
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| 11:20.58 | wols_ | run it |
| 11:21.19 | wols_ | oops: update-pciids |
| 11:21.29 | valdyn | clownish: nice , so your nvidia cards problems have certainly nothing at all to do with agp.. |
| 11:21.33 | dorel__ | wols_: oldconfig though isn't interactive or anything, it creates the config based upon the .config in the current dir, no? |
| 11:21.51 | xaque | is there a good guide for installing X ? |
| 11:21.52 | clownish | valdyn, sorry im new to nvidia, i have absolute no clue |
| 11:21.53 | wols_ | dorel__: no. it asks you lot of questions for things that have changed since then |
| 11:22.08 | wols_ | xaque: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 11:22.40 | clownish | so the kernel is 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 11:22.43 | kristalino | any german guys here ? (pv) |
| 11:22.45 | wols_ | xaque: if you have a specific question/problem, ask it, don't ask a general one then |
| 11:22.49 | wols_ | !de |
| 11:22.49 | dpkg | [de] Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 11:23.02 | xaque | wols_: thats what I was looking for |
| 11:23.03 | wols_ | clownish: and chipset? and nvidia driver version? |
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| 11:23.08 | xaque | wols_: thanks |
| 11:23.08 | halux | hi all, someone knows why I need to install kdelibs/qt/... for a upgrade on my openoffice.org package in unstable ? apt-rdepends doesn't show somethin I would think it needs kde |
| 11:23.21 | wols_ | xaque: there is none afaik. there is the debian manual of course |
| 11:23.38 | halux | The openoffice.org-kde package needs also to be installed, but I haven't choosen it and cannot see a dependency on it |
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| 11:24.24 | clownish | wols_, nvidia driver is 1.0.8774-1 |
| 11:24.36 | dorel__ | wols_: ahh ok, so its just like regular command line interactive mode |
| 11:24.57 | xaque | anbody have any idea if xorg is comming to sarge, or is at least going to be stable? |
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| 11:25.11 | valdyn | !sarge |
| 11:25.11 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 11:25.18 | xaque | I have never used xfree86 before. Can I use my xorg.conf? |
| 11:25.19 | clownish | wols_, its a Nvidia gfroce 7600 go |
| 11:25.23 | valdyn | !backports |
| 11:25.23 | dpkg | i guess backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 11:25.27 | wols_ | xaque: it's never coming to sarge. it is in etch and when etch will become stable there is xorg |
| 11:25.29 | halux | btw. I am using sid |
| 11:25.35 | wols_ | clownish: I mean the mobo chipset? |
| 11:25.42 | xaque | wols_: ah |
| 11:25.43 | clownish | wols_, ill try the update-pciids now |
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| 11:25.57 | clownish | wols_, one moment |
| 11:26.13 | valdyn | clownish: you are most likely seeing a bug in nvidias driver, we cant fix it, see www.nvidia.com |
| 11:26.34 | wols_ | clownish: I'm kinda skeptical. intel chipsets aren't really uncommon |
| 11:26.49 | clownish | wols_, how can i find the mobo name |
| 11:26.55 | wols_ | so I dunno if it's a driver problem. it might be due to it being older |
| 11:27.07 | wols_ | clownish: I didn't ask for your mobo name. I asked for your mobo's chipset |
| 11:27.26 | wols_ | e.g. a newer nvidia driver might fix it if it's a i965 chipset for example |
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| 11:30.16 | xaque | when I am installing packages, I keep getting warnings about locale, cannot sed LC_Ctype or others, how can I get rid of those messages? |
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| 11:30.24 | clownish | wols_, sorry but how can i fin dout the chipset |
| 11:30.29 | xaque | where do I set those variables |
| 11:30.48 | wols_ | lspci -v |
| 11:30.50 | wols_ | paste it |
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| 11:31.03 | wols_ | xaque: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 11:32.38 | xaque | after I do that, I get en.ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file 'en' : no such file or directory |
| 11:32.43 | DarkSeed | ühi |
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| 11:35.59 | clownish | wols_, i first need to install something graphical to paste , mom... but the shipset is a Intel 945PM/GM Express |
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| 11:36.25 | DragonD | How do i share files from debian with windows? |
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| 11:37.06 | xaque | what kind of things are unstable with etch ? |
| 11:37.06 | blondie | DragonD: samba |
| 11:37.09 | blondie | !samba |
| 11:37.09 | dpkg | it has been said that samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 11:38.12 | DragonD | ok next question is samba safe to use over the internet? |
| 11:38.20 | Guerin | xaque: things could change any day - they usually don't, but they COULD |
| 11:38.21 | ryanakca | how do I get a list of installed packages? a list that I could feed to apt if ever my system crashes... example "apt-get install 'cat installedpackages' " |
| 11:38.25 | Guerin | DragonD: absolutely not |
| 11:38.30 | cydork | DragonD, no way |
| 11:39.03 | Guerin | DragonD: this is why VPNs are used |
| 11:39.15 | Guerin | ryanakca: dpkg --get-selections |
| 11:39.37 | Guerin | ryanakca: then use dpkg --set-selections to tell your new system what to install |
| 11:39.38 | DragonD | Guerin: so use samba over a vpn? |
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| 11:40.25 | Guerin | DragonD: or better yet, don't use it at all. |
| 11:40.59 | ryanakca | Guerin: so.. "dpkg --get selections > filename" and then on the new system "dpkg --set-selections 'cat filename' "? |
| 11:41.50 | clownish | wols_, http://paste.debian.net/13088 |
| 11:41.50 | Guerin | ryanakca: more or less |
| 11:41.50 | Diazepam | does anyone know the command to verify *installed* packages (looking for the debian equivalent of rpm -Va) |
| 11:41.51 | Guerin | ryanakca: i think it's cat filename | dpjg --set-selections, but you have the idea |
| 11:41.51 | tuv | ryanakca, it's ` and not ' |
| 11:41.51 | ryanakca | Guerin: thanks |
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| 11:42.14 | Guerin | DragonD: what do you mean by 'verify'? |
| 11:42.20 | Guerin | Diazepam: |
| 11:42.26 | ryanakca | Guerin: tuv: thanks |
| 11:42.27 | xaque | Guerin: does anybody have any idea when they are going to put etch in stable? |
| 11:42.35 | Guerin | xaque: end of the yearish |
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| 11:43.11 | Diazepam | Guerin - ? |
| 11:43.15 | clownish | wols_, mh it seems like it has nothing to do with the agp.. no wit freezes with NvAGP 0 too |
| 11:43.21 | wols_ | clownish: that one should be supported well by your kernel and by nvidia |
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| 11:43.22 | Guerin | Diazepam: what do you mean by 'verify'? |
| 11:43.31 | wols_ | so there is no real reason why agp features wouldn't work |
| 11:43.45 | Diazepam | to ensure the package you have installed is how it was intended by the developer |
| 11:43.58 | wols_ | hardware is OK? memory, temperatures, your videocard? |
| 11:43.59 | Guerin | Diazepam: debsums |
| 11:44.31 | wols_ | xaque: etch will become stable. according to plan, this december |
| 11:44.32 | clownish | wols_, yes just like i said, now it freezes with the nvagp = 0 too , yes i think so... under windows it wokrs perfectly |
| 11:44.48 | blaa_ | how do I exact *.rar on linux? |
| 11:44.51 | Diazepam | Guerin - also useful for testing packages to ensure they havent been compromised and have malicous code inserted |
| 11:44.58 | wols_ | clownish: and it only freezes when using 3D? |
| 11:45.01 | Guerin | Diazepam: i know what it does. |
| 11:45.15 | wols_ | blaa_: unrar. it's in unfree |
| 11:45.25 | clownish | wols_, it freezes with glxgears... i did not try something else |
| 11:45.28 | xaque | is there a way to upgrade to etch and then run like an orphan package tool or something? |
| 11:45.31 | Diazepam | su |
| 11:45.39 | Guerin | Diazepam: password: |
| 11:45.40 | xaque | or do I have to install from scratch? |
| 11:45.44 | Diazepam | lol |
| 11:45.54 | Guerin | Diazepam: always worth a try |
| 11:45.56 | wols_ | try tuxracer maybe. as a last resort: use the latest and greatest nvidia drivers. 81 is a bit older IIRC |
| 11:46.10 | wols_ | xaque: you can dist-upgrade |
| 11:46.25 | blaa_ | wols_, just urar, really? |
| 11:46.37 | wols_ | blaa_: unrar. and yes, only that |
| 11:46.49 | wols_ | rar is proprietary closed source |
| 11:46.53 | xaque | wols_: that does not really do anything |
| 11:47.05 | wols_ | xaque: what doesn't? |
| 11:47.16 | xaque | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:47.36 | tuv | xaque, change stable/sarge in your source.list to etch/testing, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:47.37 | wols_ | xaque: edit your sources.list to point to etch, apt-get update. then it will do a lot |
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| 11:48.59 | mdupont | please help me :my xserver does not start anymore, XFontFileCompleteXLFD is the top of the stack kbd_drv in the middle |
| 11:49.15 | azeem | which stack |
| 11:49.20 | mdupont | the error stack |
| 11:49.24 | wols_ | azeem: probably a stack trace |
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| 11:49.44 | azeem | mdupont: which version of Debian, do you use closed-source X drivers? |
| 11:49.51 | wols_ | if you know what a stack is, you should also know we need more info than you just gave us |
| 11:49.57 | mdupont | #segfault backtrace from |
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| 11:50.24 | clownish | wols_, mh cat /proc/driver/nvidia/register tells that NvAgp is 3. |
| 11:50.51 | mdupont | azeem: ubuntu/debian/GNU Linux with nvidia driver close |
| 11:50.59 | azeem | mdupont: please ask in #ubuntu |
| 11:51.09 | mdupont | well, i am a debian developer |
| 11:51.13 | azeem | so? |
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| 11:51.24 | mdupont | and know that you guys might be able to help me as well |
| 11:51.29 | mdupont | but, ok |
| 11:51.42 | azeem | well, my advise is to not use closed drivers then |
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| 11:51.53 | mdupont | i can try the vesa driver |
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| 11:52.10 | azeem | the Ubuntu X packages are quite different to Debian's |
| 11:53.00 | azeem | you should probably file a bug in Ubuntu's bug tracker, if there isn't one already |
| 11:53.22 | mdupont | great |
| 11:53.28 | mdupont | well vesa works |
| 11:53.29 | mdupont | thanks |
| 11:53.51 | mdupont | now i try the nv |
| 11:53.54 | mdupont | open source driver |
| 11:54.25 | AcuraX | You need the driver installed along with kernel-sources etc |
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| 11:54.31 | azeem | AcuraX: hrm? |
| 11:54.36 | mdupont | oooo |
| 11:54.42 | mdupont | now it is much faster! nv |
| 11:54.52 | mdupont | ok. logging into xchat. |
| 11:54.53 | mdupont | bye |
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| 11:56.59 | wols_ | that nvidia ubuntu bug is already known. he should update his system again: ubuntu devs fscked up |
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| 12:00.12 | MarcWeber | Which is the command to get the content (list of files) of an installed package? |
| 12:00.41 | clownish | wols_, tuxracer works perfektly on highest details :/ |
| 12:00.48 | r000t | have a question about the dhcp3client .. when i use that i almost allways receive different ip addresses .. but when i use dhcpcd i allways receive the same one |
| 12:01.25 | r000t | someone know how to get dhcp3client to try to get me the last received ip |
| 12:01.45 | blondie | why dont you use the one that works |
| 12:01.58 | Diazepam | Guerin - thanks very much for the Debsums info - works well |
| 12:02.31 | r000t | blondie: will try then.. |
| 12:02.54 | azeem | wols_: oh, it's that one |
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| 12:04.43 | PeterC | Has kernel-source recently changed name to linux-source? |
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| 12:05.29 | tralala | PeterC: not that recently |
| 12:05.48 | Guerin | Diazepam: welcome |
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| 12:08.45 | PeterC | tralala: Do you know for how long? A couple of months? |
| 12:09.02 | azeem | about a year, I'd say |
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| 12:09.38 | wols_ | azeem: it'S the second borked X update in a month |
| 12:09.55 | azeem | yeah, I just didn't realize mdupont might use dapper |
| 12:09.59 | azeem | but it makes sense now |
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| 12:25.12 | dig | exit |
| 12:25.41 | acid0 | Hi guys, i made a successfully subscription to the debian mailing list "debian-mentors@lists.debian.org" -- when i now want to ask a question have i to write to "debian-mentors@lists.debian.org" too ? that others can read my mail ? |
| 12:26.49 | Gnea | acid0: yeah, just use that address once in the To: field and everybody will be able to ready it |
| 12:27.14 | Gnea | er, read |
| 12:27.29 | Gnea | like reading my piss-poor grammar ;P |
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| 12:27.55 | acid0 | thank you, ah your grammar is fine :-) |
| 12:28.32 | acid0 | Ok , i made this , then it should be work fine i hope |
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| 12:28.44 | ftatr2005 | hello all of you |
| 12:29.07 | ftatr2005 | any one home? |
| 12:29.40 | Guerin | no |
| 12:29.46 | ftatr2005 | cool |
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| 12:30.01 | acid0 | yo, just ask a question and if somebody knows the answer he will write you i think |
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| 12:30.30 | ftatr2005 | i don't know how to start a service |
| 12:30.33 | blaa_ | I use unrar-free -x archive file destination ,right? |
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| 12:31.00 | Guerin | bonez39: use unrar --help |
| 12:31.04 | Guerin | if you're lucky |
| 12:31.23 | bonez39 | Guerin, for waht would I run that? and why would i be lucky? |
| 12:31.28 | bonez39 | waht=what |
| 12:31.42 | acid0 | sourceforge.net/projects/rarbrute |
| 12:31.47 | acid0 | or use this :-P |
| 12:32.03 | Guerin | bonez39: you'd run it instead of asking in a totally unrelated channel, and you'd be lucky because it's moronic software and I'd be surprised if it has any usable help |
| 12:32.25 | asg | Guerin: it was blaa_, not bonez39 that was asking ;) |
| 12:32.38 | Guerin | oh |
| 12:32.46 | Guerin | don't mind me, i'm just stupid |
| 12:33.18 | ftatr2005 | how do i start proftpd? |
| 12:33.28 | bonez39 | Guerin, what the F__K? I never said anything..I just GOT here..... |
| 12:33.32 | acid0 | man proftpd |
| 12:33.37 | acid0 | read the manual page |
| 12:33.44 | acid0 | or the docs |
| 12:33.49 | bonez39 | boom....what a welcome...... |
| 12:34.13 | Guerin | bonez39: as I said, I;m stupid |
| 12:34.25 | Guerin | bonez39: but it's all your fault for having a nick which starts with b |
| 12:34.41 | bonez39 | oh, sorry...next time I pick a new nick, I'll make it unique |
| 12:35.02 | acid0 | or use google: "start proftpd debian" |
| 12:35.03 | asg | bonez39: use guerin2 next time |
| 12:35.32 | Guerin | asg: you bastard |
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| 12:35.44 | Guerin | asg: i'm keyboardedly impaired enough as it is |
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| 12:35.55 | asg | Guerin: you don't talk to yourself often though |
| 12:36.13 | acid0 | doenst sound blaa like bonez39 ? :-D |
| 12:36.53 | ftatr2005 | i still dont know how to run the service |
| 12:37.03 | acid0 | read the manual pages |
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| 12:37.11 | acid0 | man proftpd |
| 12:37.13 | ftatr2005 | i did |
| 12:37.47 | acid0 | and the manual dois not include the files where you have to add the command to start proftpd ? |
| 12:37.58 | ftatr2005 | Name or service not know |
| 12:38.02 | ftatr2005 | know |
| 12:38.07 | ftatr2005 | n |
| 12:38.09 | acid0 | then serach the debian manuals and look for "how to start daemons" |
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| 12:38.53 | acid0 | what did you typed when he say: Name or service not know ? |
| 12:39.16 | DaBlade | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:39.21 | asg | ftatr2005: it's either going to get started via /etc/init.d/proftpd or via inetd in /etc/inetd.conf. The former most likely. Also, read /usr/share/doc/proftpd/README* |
| 12:39.54 | acid0 | yo DaBlade, this should function |
| 12:40.14 | acid0 | but the system should also start that daemon automatic |
| 12:40.34 | DaBlade | acid0: apt-get install rcconf |
| 12:40.43 | acid0 | yo, i know this program |
| 12:40.45 | DaBlade | acid0: Then run rcconf and configure what apps should start on bootup |
| 12:40.47 | DaBlade | Ok |
| 12:40.48 | acid0 | works fine on my system |
| 12:40.50 | MatBoy | Wow there has been a lot of changements in the new Etch installer. Etch is better now :) |
| 12:42.25 | acid0 | but thanks for the tip DaBlade |
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| 12:43.20 | DaBlade | acid0: No problem |
| 12:43.47 | acid0 | http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/contrib/ProFTPD-mini-HOWTO-Stopping.html |
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| 12:44.03 | acid0 | read this ftatr2005 |
| 12:44.12 | acid0 | it is a proftpd mini howto |
| 12:45.01 | Guerin | proftpd ... mini ... haha |
| 12:45.10 | acid0 | http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/INSTALL.html |
| 12:45.14 | acid0 | this should help too |
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| 12:45.36 | ftatr2005 | ProFTPd is stated from inetx/xinetd. |
| 12:45.45 | acid0 | mini howto yes, cause it is a small howto |
| 12:45.47 | Guerin | ftatr2005: s/is/can be/ |
| 12:46.02 | Guerin | !ftpmustdie |
| 12:46.02 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 12:46.19 | acid0 | ftp is cool but sftp is better |
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| 12:46.40 | acid0 | i hope ftp will not die |
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| 12:47.08 | acid0 | sounds like bush as internet dictator |
| 12:47.21 | acid0 | haha |
| 12:47.33 | simon23 | hi there - and a good afternoon :-) has anyone ever heard about that: user one cannot start xmms while using kde 3.5 at debian etch and gets an segfault error when starting firefox(the console just reports segfault) |BUT| when the user root executes firefox or xmms executables there are No problems at all! This sound very strange - right, so - can anyone give me a hint to solve that problem ? |
| 12:47.37 | acid0 | hehehe |
| 12:48.02 | Guerin | simon23: your homedir is full or the user can't write to it. |
| 12:48.13 | acid0 | so lets worship sftp instead |
| 12:48.41 | Guerin | asg: i dunno ... it has ftp in the name, it must be terrrism |
| 12:48.49 | simon23 | Guerin: my homedir cant be full, because there are more than 400mb free on that partition... |
| 12:48.53 | acid0 | i am so lucky to have an account at sourceforge :-) |
| 12:49.19 | simon23 | Guerin: how can i find out about the permissions ? ls -al shoult help right ? |
| 12:49.20 | blaa_ | I think unrar-free not work but unrar easy to use lol |
| 12:49.33 | Guerin | simon23: ok. That's the only circumstances under which I've ever had two unrelated programs segfault. |
| 12:49.43 | Guerin | simon23: yeah. |
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| 12:49.59 | bonez39 | I am looking for a solution in linux/debian...to replace Exchange Server...something to allow centralized email, messaging. shared calendaring.....is there anything like that....or combination that works on linux? |
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| 12:50.41 | Guerin | bonez39: combination of exim, ldap, a sql database and something else |
| 12:51.01 | bonez39 | Guerin, do you understand what i am after? |
| 12:51.44 | acid0 | (the console just reports segfault) -- maybe this error was because of starting it from the console ? |
| 12:51.48 | bonez39 | my wife's company recently went with Mailstreet, as a front end to Exchange Server..requiring each user to run Outlook ... to access it all.....I have to believe there is a linux option to all that...... |
| 12:51.53 | MatBoy | damn, xorg keeps locking up after some minutes with nvidia-drivers.... never happened before :( |
| 12:52.00 | acid0 | some programs do not run from the console , i experienced |
| 12:52.03 | streuner | fuck, no good stream at shoutcast, no good Rock |
| 12:52.08 | simon23 | Guerin: i just had a look at the permissions in the .xmms directory and the - |
| 12:52.27 | simon23 | .kde directory nothing wrong. |
| 12:52.29 | wols_ | acid0: this is not true. any program can run from the console |
| 12:52.38 | Guerin | bonez39: how does what I suggested not fit that bill? |
| 12:52.52 | Guerin | bonez39: hint: Active Directory is ldap. |
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| 12:52.58 | wols_ | bonez39: evolution with the exchange connector for example |
| 12:53.13 | Guerin | bonez39: oh, you weant something to TALK to exchange |
| 12:53.14 | acid0 | i had programs which did not run from the console |
| 12:53.31 | acid0 | they made problems by running them from console |
| 12:53.34 | ftatr2005 | "/etc/init.d/proftpd start" this is how i start the service right? |
| 12:53.45 | Guerin | asg: both xmms and firefox run perfectly well in a console |
| 12:53.48 | Guerin | acid0: |
| 12:53.53 | acid0 | i experiences this like said , so i dont talk nonsense |
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| 12:54.13 | acid0 | i know that every program should run from console |
| 12:54.33 | Guerin | acid0: my desktop environment consuists of a console. I start *everything* from one. They work. |
| 12:54.39 | ftatr2005 | and this is what i get "ProFTPd is started from inetd/xinetd." |
| 12:54.45 | acid0 | yo, fine, good to hear |
| 12:54.46 | simon23 | they make problems while running NOT from a console too :-) (at mycomp) |
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| 12:54.53 | Guerin | ftatr2005: so configure it to do otherwise. |
| 12:55.21 | acid0 | i had this problem with DSL i think, so not debian |
| 12:55.27 | MatBoy | mhh as long as I don't do to much on my workstation, xorg does not lock up :) |
| 12:55.43 | Drakas | a gaming application crashed and I had to kill it. After killing it, the mouse simply doesn't work - I can move it, click it - does nothing. Any ideas why this is happening? Its a good thing that you can control mouse with the keyboard :) |
| 12:55.50 | acid0 | hehe, simon23, this happens too :-D |
| 12:56.03 | Guerin | Drakas: remove the mouse/usb modules and reload them |
| 12:56.18 | Drakas | ok, |
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| 12:56.36 | MatBoy | is XGL already supported ? |
| 12:56.46 | acid0 | Drakes, did you reboot your system ? |
| 12:56.52 | Drakas | mousedev is in use |
| 12:56.55 | acid0 | Drakas i mean |
| 12:57.00 | simon23 | can anyone give me a hint to find out why root can run firefox or xmms while my useraccount can not ? (i used to run them very often, but now it fails) |
| 12:57.08 | Drakas | AciD: well, rebooting xorg fixes. but today its the third time it happened :/ |
| 12:57.09 | streuner | MatBoy: wiki.debian.org/xgl |
| 12:57.35 | acid0 | hm, ok |
| 12:57.39 | Drakas | Acid0 |
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| 12:57.41 | acid0 | but i am acid0 |
| 12:57.47 | wols_ | Supaplex: have you started xmms in a xterm once? |
| 12:57.51 | acid0 | yes, AciD is another debianer :-D |
| 12:57.57 | wols_ | if not, do it, it might output an error message |
| 12:58.13 | Drakas | well, tab doesnt seem to do what it is supposed to :) |
| 12:58.24 | Drakas | does now |
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| 12:59.00 | simon23 | wols_ : you didn't mean me - do you ? |
| 12:59.14 | acid0 | simon23, deinstall firefox and xmms and install them new |
| 12:59.24 | acid0 | maybe then it function |
| 12:59.33 | simon23 | acid0: already did so - nothing happened ! |
| 12:59.37 | acid0 | oh |
| 12:59.39 | acid0 | hm |
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| 12:59.52 | acid0 | running firefox or xmms as root is evil |
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| 13:00.18 | Drakas | =] |
| 13:00.27 | Drakas | I agree |
| 13:00.28 | simon23 | acid0: I even used the --purge option - to make sure any config will be changed too (just in case any conf is messed up...) |
| 13:00.34 | aceme | anyone help me start X ? |
| 13:00.44 | SirCosmin | aceme use startx |
| 13:00.49 | acid0 | did you compiled it from source ? |
| 13:00.56 | acid0 | or just apt-get install * |
| 13:00.58 | acid0 | ? |
| 13:01.00 | aceme | not working |
| 13:01.14 | aceme | cosmin poti cv pe privat ? |
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| 13:01.37 | wols_ | simon23: I did |
| 13:01.40 | simon23 | acid0: i know - AND it makes no sense to run those as root - only sense is to make sure it works at all. |
| 13:01.40 | SirCosmin | tell te error on the channel ... |
| 13:01.45 | SirCosmin | the * |
| 13:01.57 | acid0 | yo simon23 |
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| 13:02.08 | acid0 | that is true |
| 13:02.28 | acid0 | is your operating system fresh installed ? |
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| 13:02.43 | simon23 | wols_ : yes - i started those in an xterm once firefox said segfault xmms said nothing. |
| 13:02.55 | simon23 | acid0: i apt-get it - not compiled. |
| 13:03.13 | acid0 | simon23, and how about starting it without terminal or xterm ? |
| 13:03.24 | acid0 | ok |
| 13:03.45 | simon23 | acid0: i installed sarge bout some years ago and then upgraded to etch 6 months ago. have had no problems yet. |
| 13:04.02 | acid0 | maybe do a "apt-get update" and so, simon23 |
| 13:04.04 | simon23 | acid0: i started those in an xterm once firefox said segfault xmms said nothing. |
| 13:04.07 | aceme | fatal io error 104 |
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| 13:04.33 | wols_ | simon23: most ffox problems come from its profile imho (not all but most) |
| 13:04.39 | wols_ | another source of problems are extensions |
| 13:05.10 | aceme | I have also a problem when debian is loading there's appear few times usb core already loaded |
| 13:05.17 | simon23 | wols_: will check that - i will delete my profile and then uninstall and install again... |
| 13:05.18 | acid0 | does firefox have the same graphic library like xmms ? |
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| 13:05.35 | acid0 | maybe a problem with the lib |
| 13:05.57 | aceme | should I reintall Debian as I did in my very first days with windows ? |
| 13:06.02 | wols_ | simon23: create a new user on your system |
| 13:06.15 | wols_ | with adduser. then run ffox under this user |
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| 13:06.26 | acid0 | aceme a reinstall is often nice |
| 13:06.27 | tux | hello |
| 13:06.34 | simon23 | the lib could be the case for xmms because yesterday i had some libtrouble... but firefox never worked for my user account since upgraded to etch. |
| 13:06.42 | aceme | acid0: are you joking ? |
| 13:06.46 | acid0 | no |
| 13:06.51 | acid0 | i like reinstalls |
| 13:06.52 | wols_ | !tell aceme about drxx |
| 13:06.54 | aceme | I've heard that debian is good |
| 13:06.57 | lord_rob | aceme: never reinstall debian, learn how to use it (sid has been running fine for five years in this box :) |
| 13:07.02 | acid0 | to make some things better |
| 13:07.05 | aceme | is a quite fresh install but x no more start ? |
| 13:07.15 | acid0 | to avoid mistakes i made before |
| 13:07.20 | acid0 | so install mistakes |
| 13:07.21 | tux | in gnome-terminal, press ctrl-[, the text gets smaller |
| 13:07.33 | wols_ | acid0: also look at your X logs and check for errors with (EE) |
| 13:07.34 | aceme | I run windows 2k for >4 years non stop without reinstall |
| 13:07.40 | tux | is this feature menu-accessiable? Can i turn it bigger} |
| 13:07.42 | acid0 | aceme - debian is good |
| 13:07.44 | MatBoy | streuner, but xgl is not inplemented into Debian for the moment ? |
| 13:07.48 | aceme | hope so too |
| 13:07.52 | acid0 | good to learn something |
| 13:07.57 | aceme | but no X is working for me now |
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| 13:08.20 | acid0 | wols_ : i have no problems with my X :-) |
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| 13:08.44 | aceme | acid0 let's help me have a x |
| 13:08.49 | acid0 | i run, debian, XP and freebsd on one machine with grub :-) |
| 13:08.51 | aceme | or 3 ! |
| 13:09.04 | aceme | xxx |
| 13:09.06 | aceme | hehe |
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| 13:09.17 | streuner | MatBoy: so 'gravity' says, so its pretty sure then |
| 13:09.33 | simon23 | wols_: will do so (useradd) but before i will try reinstalling again - because i notices that even --purge doesnt delete the .whatever directory in the homedir. |
| 13:09.34 | acid0 | on one harddrive :-D |
| 13:09.34 | aceme | it will be a contest of winning a user on this machine for whom help me run x |
| 13:09.38 | bonez39 | wols_, I have tried to get evolution set up with the connector, but I can't figure out how to run Red Carpet and then to get the rest installed, on my evolution installation |
| 13:09.57 | MatBoy | streuner, I don't get you |
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| 13:10.21 | aceme | or see my picture contest |
| 13:10.24 | streuner | MatBoy: the entry from the wiki.d.o is from the maintainer of X in debian... |
| 13:10.43 | acid0 | aceme: |
| 13:11.16 | acid0 | but i can also recommend a live debian system like knoppix for beginners like you |
| 13:11.28 | cydork | streuner, gravity is goin for aiglx. isn't he? |
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| 13:11.46 | streuner | no idea, ask himself |
| 13:11.50 | basanta | tail -f /proc/bus/usb/devices -----> Vendor=0000 ProdID=0000 Rev= 2.06 |
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| 13:12.13 | aceme | I am quite sure you can get my x working |
| 13:12.14 | basanta | what is the problem |
| 13:12.22 | acid0 | what kind of install you made aceme ? |
| 13:12.24 | aceme | I can make the mouse working |
| 13:12.25 | ootput | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.32 | aceme | it was a normal instalkl |
| 13:12.38 | acid0 | netinstall ? |
| 13:12.41 | acid0 | cd install ? |
| 13:12.42 | simon23 | aceme: what picture contest ? :-) |
| 13:12.45 | mcdmx | hi, I have a problem with the output of ps -ef on etch: for some users, the process owner is displayed numerically, e.g. processes of user haldaemon show up with the userid 104. Any hints? |
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| 13:13.06 | MatBoy | again a lockup :p |
| 13:13.23 | acid0 | there is no "normal" install |
| 13:13.35 | aceme | simon23 it was a joke ... |
| 13:13.43 | aceme | cd install acid0 |
| 13:13.45 | asg | mcdmx: that generally means that the user isn't in /etc/password or that /etc/password is not readable. |
| 13:13.46 | acid0 | Ok |
| 13:13.54 | asg | s/password/passwd/ |
| 13:14.00 | aceme | than apt-get for x |
| 13:14.06 | acid0 | ah |
| 13:14.17 | wols_ | bonez39: it's in debian. |
| 13:14.17 | mcdmx | asg: i thought about that, but the user is in /etc/passwd and the file is 644 :-( |
| 13:14.18 | acid0 | select the desktop install instead of this next time |
| 13:14.22 | wols_ | !search evolition-connector |
| 13:14.22 | acid0 | aceme |
| 13:14.27 | wols_ | !search evolition-exchange |
| 13:14.36 | acid0 | and he will install x very well from cd too |
| 13:14.37 | asg | mcdmx: what debian version are your running? |
| 13:14.39 | wols_ | :/ |
| 13:14.45 | mcdmx | asg: etch |
| 13:14.46 | wols_ | !info evolution-exchange |
| 13:14.46 | MatBoy | what default C++ compiler can I install that will most of the time work ? |
| 13:14.54 | dpkg | evolution-exchange: (Exchange plugin for the Evolution groupware suite), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.6.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 626 kB, Installed size: 2792 kB |
| 13:14.55 | aceme | boot from CD ! and than desktop ? I have only the first CD |
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| 13:15.02 | aceme | but once the x was ok |
| 13:15.07 | acid0 | yeah , the 1. cd is enough |
| 13:15.07 | asg | mcdmx: then find someone with etch and compare the md5sum of /bin/ps (to make sure it hasn't been altered.) |
| 13:15.11 | aceme | than I had problem with mouse |
| 13:15.14 | aceme | and bye x |
| 13:15.18 | asg | mcdmx: also, you aren't in a chroot by chance are you? |
| 13:15.26 | mcdmx | asg: nope |
| 13:15.28 | acid0 | boot and install the desktop installation |
| 13:15.30 | streuner | cydork: "Much to my surprise, I'm currently running AIGLX. The package and at least a few drivers, should be on their way to experimental right now. It shouldn't be able to run compiz yet, but I'll have a look at the patches needed to do so sometime in the near future." |
| 13:15.36 | aceme | now yesterday x get into but ,mouse cursor stayed no moving |
| 13:15.48 | aceme | it was "mute" |
| 13:15.52 | streuner | cydork: http://gravityboy.livejournal.com/ |
| 13:15.59 | aceme | now is not even getting into ... the X |
| 13:16.06 | acid0 | then change your mouse device |
| 13:16.16 | mcdmx | asg: and it happens only for users messagebus, haldaemon and a newly created user "kde-devel", all other process owners are displayed correctly. |
| 13:16.21 | acid0 | hm |
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| 13:16.35 | aceme | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.43 | aceme | is quite new |
| 13:16.50 | aceme | the error when I try to get into X |
| 13:17.00 | asg | mcdmx: you might also check the bts to see if someone else has reported it. |
| 13:17.00 | streuner | asg: hi dude |
| 13:17.06 | cydork | streuner, hmm checkin it out |
| 13:17.07 | asg | streuner: morning |
| 13:17.09 | MatBoy | But I must say... Etch is really upgraded comparing with 5 months ago.. |
| 13:17.29 | aceme | in /var/log/Xfree... there is no core pointer registere |
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| 13:17.33 | acid0 | like said, install the desktop environment from CD , then x should work fine |
| 13:17.43 | aceme | it worked fine acid0 |
| 13:17.45 | acid0 | then you have gnome and much more |
| 13:17.50 | wols_ | aceme: not if his mouse isn't working |
| 13:17.57 | aceme | for 1 or 2 days :) |
| 13:17.58 | wols_ | acid0: |
| 13:18.02 | acid0 | hm ok |
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| 13:18.07 | aceme | do we are noobs all |
| 13:18.07 | acid0 | what did you do ? |
| 13:18.11 | Drakas | My mouse is lost again :( |
| 13:18.14 | wols_ | aceme: you obviously need to fix your mouse/usb stuff |
| 13:18.19 | Drakas | i've already restarted |
| 13:18.22 | Drakas | and its happening again |
| 13:18.24 | wols_ | aceme: I assume a USB mouse? |
| 13:18.28 | aceme | is a PS2 |
| 13:18.29 | simon23 | aceme: is your x working and only the mouse doesnt work ? |
| 13:18.44 | aceme | now is trying get into but suddenly stop |
| 13:18.47 | streuner | Drakas: so it worked and now not? |
| 13:18.50 | wols_ | simon23: X is not wroking _because_ there is no mouse found |
| 13:18.57 | aceme | no core pointer registered in /var/log/X.. |
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| 13:19.06 | Drakas | Yes, the sauerbraten crashes and there is no mouse then :/ |
| 13:19.12 | hypnox | can someone tell me h ow to restore a package's default config file? |
| 13:19.18 | Drakas | and X is fully working apart from the mouse |
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| 13:19.20 | aceme | the mouse itself should be ok |
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| 13:19.31 | asg | hypnox: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 13:19.42 | simon23 | aceme: have you ever tried using someone else s configfile ? |
| 13:19.48 | streuner | Drakas: what version of debian, what kernel are you running, what kind of mouse is that? |
| 13:19.50 | aceme | no |
| 13:20.00 | acid0 | wols_ , configure your mouse new with the xconfig commands |
| 13:20.14 | simon23 | aceme: when i had problems starting xorg on my notebook - i did so - and since half a year its running perfect. |
| 13:20.22 | hypnox | thanks |
| 13:20.29 | Drakas | Debian etch, 2.6.16-2-686-smp, optical logitech mouse on ps2. xorg 7.0.0 |
| 13:20.33 | wols_ | acid0: mine works fine. and NO ONE uses xconfig in debian |
| 13:20.49 | acid0 | i mean x config commands |
| 13:20.55 | aceme | could I delete the Xconfig file somewhere and start dpkg-reconfigure... ? |
| 13:21.04 | wols_ | aceme: don't delete it |
| 13:21.08 | wols_ | !tell aceme about drxx |
| 13:21.14 | aceme | or uninstall X? |
| 13:21.24 | wols_ | and make sure your kernel recognizes the ps2 mouse, it usually does |
| 13:21.35 | acid0 | x configuration commands |
| 13:21.41 | aceme | wols_: I am in text mode and no mouse pointer so I can;t see other rooms in irssi |
| 13:21.43 | Drakas | who is talking to who?:s |
| 13:21.46 | wols_ | aceme: dpkg just told you what to do (but since it worked and you didn't change that file, I doubt it helps) |
| 13:21.55 | streuner | Drakas: try 'mdetect' |
| 13:22.01 | Drakas | the mouse works, the game crashes, I am back to X - the mouse is gone |
| 13:22.03 | aceme | I've changed that few times |
| 13:22.09 | Drakas | will do |
| 13:22.12 | aceme | now I am not sure what to specify |
| 13:22.17 | streuner | Drakas: game crashes? |
| 13:22.18 | acid0 | Ok, have fun with debian people, good bye |
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| 13:22.22 | aceme | I;'ve tried /input/mic /psaux |
| 13:22.22 | Drakas | Sauerbraten |
| 13:22.29 | wols_ | aceme: imps2 and /dev/psaux normally |
| 13:22.37 | aceme | ok |
| 13:22.43 | aceme | let me see wols_ |
| 13:22.49 | Drakas | shows /dev/psaux\nintellimouse |
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| 13:23.34 | streuner | Drakas: usual PS/2 optical mouse has the same entries like the common PS/2 mouses |
| 13:23.39 | wols_ | aceme: mdetect as suggested to Drakas is also a good thing to run |
| 13:23.51 | aceme | cannot open /psaux no such file |
| 13:24.04 | wols_ | aceme: /dev/psaux |
| 13:24.06 | wols_ | there is no /psaux |
| 13:24.08 | aceme | maybe I've deleted the file ? |
| 13:24.11 | Drakas | how can i solve the problem? |
| 13:24.13 | Drakas | :/ |
| 13:24.43 | Drakas | y mouse is at /dev/input/mouse0 iirc |
| 13:24.44 | Drakas | :/ |
| 13:24.56 | simon23 | where can i find the apt cache ? |
| 13:25.01 | wols_ | Drakas: psaux could be a symlink? |
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| 13:25.08 | wols_ | simon23: /var/cache/apt/ |
| 13:25.14 | Drakas | it isnt, wols_ |
| 13:25.14 | aceme | ? :) |
| 13:25.15 | streuner | Drakas: there is /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice |
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| 13:25.43 | Drakas | streuner: I have /dev/psaux, /dev/input/mice and /dev/input/mouse0 ! |
| 13:25.45 | streuner | Drakas: for the last entry you need "mousedev' loaded |
| 13:25.49 | simon23 | wols_: thanks , just tried the userad thing - xmms worked as another user - firefox didnt. |
| 13:25.52 | aceme | I see a /dev/input/mice there as a file |
| 13:26.06 | Drakas | mousedev is loaded, and it is use |
| 13:26.06 | streuner | Drakas: edit your xorg.conf file then |
| 13:26.14 | Drakas | streuner: did you get my problem?! |
| 13:26.16 | aceme | I have mosue0 1 2 3 in that folder |
| 13:26.20 | wols_ | xinming: so with xmms it is something inside your user settings. with ffox it might be system wide setting or more |
| 13:26.22 | Drakas | streuner: mouse works, then it doesn't work, on X |
| 13:26.29 | Drakas | you think that it doesn't work at all |
| 13:26.34 | wols_ | simon23: are you running artsd under kde? what output plugin for xmms? |
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| 13:27.02 | simon23 | wols_: yes artsd and xmms-arts as plugin. |
| 13:27.12 | streuner | Drakas: sure, be we want make sure you have the right configuration first... |
| 13:27.17 | suma | i want to buil my own application package with debian |
| 13:27.26 | suma | how would i do the same |
| 13:27.28 | Drakas | yeah, /dev/input/mice is the one in xorg.conf |
| 13:27.51 | wols_ | suma: maintainers guide: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 13:27.52 | streuner | Drakas: do you have "mousedev" loaded? |
| 13:27.54 | aceme | kde could help ? |
| 13:28.02 | Drakas | cat /dev/input/mice gives lot of characters when mouse is moved :) |
| 13:28.02 | wols_ | aceme: no |
| 13:28.06 | Drakas | streuner: yes |
| 13:28.08 | suma | wols_: thanks |
| 13:28.26 | aceme | I've started install |
| 13:28.28 | streuner | Drakas: what protocol? |
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| 13:28.40 | aceme | noone could help me ? |
| 13:28.47 | aceme | remotely ? |
| 13:28.55 | Drakas | streuner: what do you mean? |
| 13:29.07 | wols_ | aceme: inviting people on your machine from irc is a recipe to get exploited. don't do it |
| 13:29.48 | simon23 | wols_: windows users tend to do so - i know some more like this :-) |
| 13:29.56 | streuner | Drakas: even the mouse need some way to talk to the box, protocol what it uses ImPS/2 is the one you need in order to run a scrollwheel |
| 13:30.01 | aceme | I will anyway uninstall in a while |
| 13:30.02 | simon23 | just a joke - not meant bad. |
| 13:30.35 | wols_ | aceme: we don't really care if you run debian or not. so don't threaten to uninstall cause you can't get it to work |
| 13:30.40 | aceme | is like inviting to f.ck my girlfriend when I don't have one yet |
| 13:30.40 | positron_ | i just installed xfree86 4.6.0 on my debian. how i set xdm to autostart? |
| 13:31.08 | streuner | !wheelmouse |
| 13:31.26 | aceme | !wheelmouse here too |
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| 13:31.49 | Drakas | streuner: well, i saw ImPS/2 somewhere. But how do I sort out the problem? I have no problems with the wheel when mouse is working |
| 13:31.57 | wols_ | positron_: if you install it it should be set. it gets loaded via symlink from /etc/rc2.d/ to /etc/init.d/ |
| 13:32.07 | Drakas | streuner: I think you are mixing something up, as I came here and somebody was already talking about mouses :s |
| 13:32.17 | streuner | Drakas: hm, sounds you configuration for the mouse is ok |
| 13:32.43 | Drakas | My mouse works perfectly, I play sauerbraten, it freezes, I kill it, then go back to X - and the mouse is gone. |
| 13:33.15 | wols_ | Drakas: does it use SDL or such? |
| 13:33.18 | streuner | hm, "sauerbraten" isn't in debian, where did you get that from? |
| 13:33.28 | Drakas | wols_: yes |
| 13:33.28 | wols_ | it more sounds like a sauerbraten problem (stupid name!) |
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| 13:33.38 | positron_ | wols_: i installed it with the Xinstall.sh script and with the instructions from http://www.xfree86.org/4.6.0/Install3.html it didnt create any symlinks to rc2 |
| 13:33.39 | aceme | where could I create a new /dev/psaux |
| 13:34.05 | Drakas | well, I don't know which is to blame - the new version of sauer or the new version of nvidia drivers :/ |
| 13:34.07 | wols_ | aceme: dmesg |grep pdaux |
| 13:34.12 | positron_ | also /usr/X11R6/bin didnt go to my path |
| 13:34.16 | wols_ | aceme: dmesg |grep psaux To see if it's actually used |
| 13:34.54 | aceme | that comand output nothing wols_ |
| 13:35.09 | Drakas | aceme: dmesg | grep mouse |
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| 13:35.51 | wols_ | aceme: have you a self compiled kernel? or a debian kernel from debian.org? what kernel version: uname -r |
| 13:35.51 | aceme | wols_: could I uninstall a dpkg? |
| 13:36.03 | wols_ | sure you could uninstall one but why? |
| 13:36.15 | aceme | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 13:36.28 | aceme | just to know (unisntall) |
| 13:36.30 | dvs | ouch! |
| 13:36.44 | aceme | 2.4.27-2-386 is too old or so ? |
| 13:36.47 | wols_ | dpkg -r removes stuff. apt-get remove is better tho |
| 13:36.57 | Drakas | aceme: sounds old to me |
| 13:36.57 | Drakas | ! |
| 13:37.06 | wols_ | Drakas: it's a sarge default kernel |
| 13:37.11 | aceme | so how to change it ? |
| 13:37.11 | Drakas | considering that I have 2.6.16 |
| 13:37.18 | Drakas | ah :) sarge.. |
| 13:37.29 | dvs | hurry up with etch! |
| 13:38.01 | aceme | hot ot get a new kernel like yours ? |
| 13:38.01 | wols_ | aceme: not too old. run mdetect |
| 13:38.01 | aceme | it output nothing |
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| 13:38.10 | aceme | mdetect ! |
| 13:38.16 | aceme | so it say nothing |
| 13:38.36 | wols_ | aceme: what cpu do you have? |
| 13:38.50 | aceme | amd |
| 13:38.57 | dvs | amd....? |
| 13:39.07 | aceme | 1300 or 1500 |
| 13:39.14 | wols_ | athlon? apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 13:39.16 | aceme | athlon duron or so |
| 13:39.17 | dvs | amd ..... 1500 ? |
| 13:39.34 | Drakas | aceme: paste output of uname -a |
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| 13:39.42 | wols_ | dvs: an athlonxxp 1500 |
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| 13:40.09 | pxpert | hi |
| 13:40.19 | pxpert | ok now I can write :) |
| 13:40.22 | aceme | how to copy and paste please |
| 13:40.41 | pxpert | one simply question: where can i get official experimental repositories for debian? |
| 13:40.48 | wols_ | peterS: the 2nd one today who messaged me cause he can't write to the channel. your root@ policy is good but really non obvious |
| 13:40.53 | pxpert | I would like to try xorg 7.1 and aiglx :P |
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| 13:42.29 | pxpert | i tried to find a list on debian.org but I didn't found even a stable repositories list... |
| 13:42.45 | MatBoy | I'm installing vmware again, but does someone know what C++ compiler I need to install ? |
| 13:42.51 | aceme | gpm... ? |
| 13:43.05 | MatBoy | aceme, ? |
| 13:43.07 | asg | MatBoy: install build-essential |
| 13:43.09 | dvs | MatBoy: build-essentail |
| 13:43.14 | dvs | pfft! |
| 13:43.20 | MatBoy | ah :) thanks guys !! |
| 13:43.23 | wols_ | !b-e |
| 13:43.23 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
| 13:43.24 | MatBoy | haha ! |
| 13:43.26 | dvs | essential |
| 13:43.26 | asg | MatBoy: also, I find that running m-a prepare (module-assistant) will help also |
| 13:43.40 | simon23 | anyone using debian ETCH in here who has problems with the current firefox? |
| 13:43.51 | MatBoy | asg, ah thanks ! |
| 13:43.52 | wols_ | aceme: your kernel for some reason doesn't detect a mouse. maybe you removed a needed module or whatever |
| 13:44.00 | dvs | simon23: works for me |
| 13:44.17 | wols_ | that's why gpm won't work either. basically your linux doesn't know you even have a mouse |
| 13:44.24 | MatBoy | Guys, btw I have disabled glx and that seems to be much better with the lockups :) |
| 13:44.43 | wols_ | MatBoy: whose glx? nvidia? |
| 13:44.51 | MatBoy | wols_, yep |
| 13:45.04 | wols_ | then you don't need to run their driver either. only reason to use it |
| 13:45.20 | aceme | wols_: I now try to get other kernel |
| 13:45.28 | MatBoy | wols_, indeed, but on Xinerama it locksup... but if I want to game :) I need it on one screen |
| 13:45.34 | aceme | 2 6 8 3.7 k7 |
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| 13:45.55 | MatBoy | wols_, and I really like the nvidia-logo's over my 4 monitors when I boot my system :D |
| 13:46.01 | simon23 | aceme: still that mouse problem ? I know it sounds stupid but now i remember similar problems that i have had because my mouse was broken ! although i was sure it was not broken,.... just a chance to get it working could be another mouse... |
| 13:46.01 | wols_ | kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7 |
| 13:46.16 | simon23 | aceme: maybe. |
| 13:46.22 | MatBoy | is it save to remove a kernel-image ? |
| 13:46.28 | MatBoy | uhm... linux-image |
| 13:46.31 | wols_ | MatBoy: one of the things I hate: I already bought your fucking hardware, now stop pestering me you damn assholes |
| 13:46.55 | wols_ | MatBoy: if it isn't your last working kernel: yes |
| 13:47.38 | aceme | let's wait and see |
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| 13:47.55 | MatBoy | wols_, I had installed 2.6.17-2 but I read somewhere that it was giving the lockups, so I installed 2.6.16-SMP after it without removing 2.6.17. |
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| 13:48.13 | MatBoy | wols_, you say... they have to support their drivers OK ? |
| 13:48.14 | MatBoy | owww |
| 13:48.25 | MatBoy | I see.... nah... it;s kewl 3 white screens :) |
| 13:48.30 | asg | !qotd167 |
| 13:48.30 | dpkg | from memory, qotd167 is <dooglus> asg: the biggest package is linux-image-2.6.16-1-686. I don't do any image processing, so I think it's probably safe to remove that one. <asg> dooglus: that's the kernel |
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| 13:48.36 | aceme | is there any tool to easely setup firewall under debian ? |
| 13:48.47 | MatBoy | aceme, apf |
| 13:48.49 | asg | aceme: firehol |
| 13:49.03 | aceme | is a graphical one ? |
| 13:49.07 | ayaz | has anyone used bootcdmkinitrd before? |
| 13:49.30 | wols_ | aceme: firewalls are useless. get a router. only "firewall" worth a damn for home use |
| 13:49.33 | pxpert | i've found a mirror, ftp.it.debian.org and changed the source.list file like this |
| 13:49.33 | aceme | only 1 apt-get install at a time ? |
| 13:49.38 | MatBoy | dvs, I already had installed the install build-essential |
| 13:49.40 | pxpert | deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ experimental main |
| 13:49.46 | pxpert | i did apt-get update |
| 13:49.49 | asg | wols_: that's about the stupidest thing I've heard today. |
| 13:49.56 | wols_ | aceme: yes |
| 13:50.06 | pxpert | but xorg won't upgrade as it says it's already at the lastest version... |
| 13:50.08 | MatBoy | dvs, I het that error that your kernel is compiled with another gcc compiler than you have installed at the moment. |
| 13:50.12 | aceme | than IPchain should not be useless |
| 13:50.20 | wols_ | asg: you cannot protext a system by installing a firewall software on the system itself. just can't |
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| 13:50.28 | aceme | man ipchain or where to learn it wols_ ? |
| 13:50.38 | wols_ | pxpert: apt-cache policy the package |
| 13:51.04 | asg | wols_: it's one piece of a multi-tiered security policy though. |
| 13:51.13 | aceme | wols_: IP should be fine as a first protection I guess |
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| 13:51.34 | aceme | oops |
| 13:51.38 | wols_ | asg: no. it's another cause of complexity and errors. and that's not me who says it but the people who maintain firewalls for a living |
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| 13:51.47 | aceme | did I've asked a tabu thing |
| 13:51.56 | pxpert | wols_, how can i do that? |
| 13:52.01 | wols_ | aceme: not at all |
| 13:52.01 | pxpert | i'm new to debian :p |
| 13:52.14 | wols_ | pxpert: man apt-cache |
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| 13:52.22 | simon23 | can anyone speak german in here ? only have a translation question :is a "Speicherzugriffsfehler" a Segmentationfault error ? |
| 13:52.27 | wols_ | it also has a manual |
| 13:52.27 | pxpert | it's what i'm doing now :) |
| 13:52.30 | wols_ | !de |
| 13:52.30 | dpkg | from memory, de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 13:52.39 | wols_ | yes it's a segfault |
| 13:52.44 | Muisje | What can i use best in combination with postfix to allow pop3 so people can login and view their emails? (Debian Sarge 3.11) |
| 13:52.46 | asg | wols_: complexity and errors? |
| 13:53.02 | wols_ | Muisje: depends if you want imap too |
| 13:53.05 | simon23 | thanks. |
| 13:53.06 | asg | wols_: indeed if people who don't know what they are doing are configuring things |
| 13:53.16 | wols_ | asg: more software = more complexity. while in this case there is no real protection |
| 13:53.27 | aceme | should I reboot after new kernel install ? |
| 13:53.28 | Muisje | wols_, no. |
| 13:53.38 | aceme | startx still not working |
| 13:53.42 | pxpert | wols_, it says this: |
| 13:53.45 | pxpert | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.45 | pxpert | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.45 | pxpert | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.45 | pxpert | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.46 | pxpert | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:53.47 | wols_ | asg: non listening ports can't be exploited from outside. the only OS that needs a firewall is windows cause they are too dumb to close ports by default at MS |
| 13:53.56 | asg | wols_: then just stick your abacus into the wall-jack. |
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| 13:53.57 | wols_ | they never heard of listening on localhost only apparently |
| 13:54.03 | pxpert | ops sorry :/ |
| 13:54.10 | aceme | should I reboot after new kernel install ? |
| 13:54.15 | boodie | Hi: I'm using etch/AMD64 ... I can't listen to realplayer stuff on internet (i.e. BBC) ; does anybody has them working on a 64bit, or are there alternatives to realplayer / helixplayer? |
| 13:54.18 | MatBoy | aceme, yes |
| 13:54.19 | wols_ | a PC gives me something an abacus can't do. a firewall doesn't |
| 13:54.22 | aceme | ok |
| 13:54.28 | aceme | cya soon |
| 13:54.29 | asg | wols_: there are legitimate reasons for restricting listening ports to certain machines (both at the router level and with host-based firewalls.) |
| 13:54.33 | wols_ | dedicated firewalls are good. "personal firewalls" are not |
| 13:54.38 | Muisje | wols_: No i don't want imap, i just want pop and smtp (postfix does smtp) |
| 13:54.50 | Muisje | Any suggestions? |
| 13:54.54 | wols_ | asg: there is tcp.deby. and routers are good as I said several times |
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| 13:55.07 | Persilon | Hi |
| 13:55.10 | wols_ | Muisje: qpopper is probably easiest. courier is good for pop3+imap |
| 13:55.15 | MatBoy | wols_, if I boot now with lilo a 2.6.16 and I have also a 2.6.17 installed... how do I change that back again... I haven't used Lilo for 2 years now |
| 13:55.20 | Muisje | ok |
| 13:55.34 | asg | wols_: however, routers can be rooted and then your protection is non-existant. |
| 13:55.40 | wols_ | I haven't used lilo for probably 6 or 7 years now :) |
| 13:55.47 | Persilon | my cpu usage is 99% because of this process: xfssyncd |
| 13:55.49 | wols_ | you edit lilo.conf and run /sbin/lilo |
| 13:55.51 | Persilon | I can't kill it |
| 13:56.01 | MatBoy | asg, you almost can't root a Juniper |
| 13:56.02 | Persilon | kill -9 doesn't work |
| 13:56.13 | MatBoy | wols_, damn |
| 13:56.37 | MatBoy | wols_, I can remove that linux-image and reinstall it |
| 13:56.39 | asg | MatBoy: sure you can. There have been security patches for Junos. |
| 13:56.50 | MatBoy | asg, not that much I thought |
| 13:56.58 | asg | MatBoy: it only takes one |
| 13:57.01 | MatBoy | asg... never had any problems with my Foundry :) |
| 13:57.06 | wols_ | asg: the only place a router accepts connections from is from inside the network. that means one of your precious firewalled machine shas already been rooted |
| 13:57.23 | asg | wols_: and you trust the machines on the inside of your network? |
| 13:57.25 | MatBoy | wols_, good point ! |
| 13:57.38 | MatBoy | asg, your own subnet/vlan |
| 13:57.40 | berkes | Weird, somehow I cannot find apachectl on my deb system. Is that because it is controlled with /etc/init.d/apache2 ? |
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| 13:57.51 | MatBoy | asg, there are so many ways ! |
| 13:57.53 | RoadkillRob | Hi Kids |
| 13:58.01 | wols_ | no. I trust my policy of only opening ports I WANT open. and having halfway decent and updated daemons for them |
| 13:58.02 | MatBoy | RoadkillRob, go back to you mother :p |
| 13:58.05 | RoadkillRob | so anyway I had to go to the body shop |
| 13:58.14 | MatBoy | s/you/your |
| 13:58.15 | Persilon | how can I kill the process ? |
| 13:58.21 | RoadkillRob | to remove this huge IRCoper shaped dent off of my front fender |
| 13:58.23 | asg | wols_: and a good policy it is. That doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't do more. |
| 13:58.30 | wols_ | that's all. as I said: windows must have firewalls cause it's ashitty design. Linux knows about user access levels, lsitening on interfaces only, etc |
| 13:58.31 | RoadkillRob | it didnt just buff out |
| 13:58.57 | wols_ | it's just like I don't run AV on linux either (well I don't on windows either but that's another rant) |
| 13:59.17 | RoadkillRob | Does anybody have any open sores suggestions for me? i tried bond-o |
| 13:59.19 | wols_ | RoadkillRob: stop that |
| 13:59.44 | MatBoy | what is the lilo-channel ? |
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| 13:59.49 | RoadkillRob | I did get a free bike out of the deal though but it was in "slightly used" condition |
| 13:59.55 | beu | matboy: #freenode-announce |
| 14:00.07 | wols_ | beu: not that lilo |
| 14:00.10 | MatBoy | beu, I mean the bootloader |
| 14:00.11 | wols_ | MatBoy: read the manual |
| 14:00.22 | beu | oh :o |
| 14:00.29 | RoadkillRob | i had to pick skull fragments out of my radiator it sucked |
| 14:00.36 | jetscreamer | RoadkillRob: you're not funny |
| 14:00.37 | MatBoy | beu, kiekeboe :) |
| 14:00.45 | wols_ | !ops please remove RoadkillRob for making tasteless fun of lilo and trolling |
| 14:00.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: wols_ complains about: please remove RoadkillRob for making tasteless fun of lilo and trolling |
| 14:00.50 | RoadkillRob | jetscreamer that's good cuz im not joking |
| 14:01.02 | beu | eek |
| 14:01.14 | beu | didn't even spot that :*( |
| 14:01.18 | MatBoy | beu, you need to hide better ! |
| 14:01.23 | beu | quite :S |
| 14:01.41 | MatBoy | beu, I will count... you will have some time... 1,2,3,4,5......... |
| 14:01.41 | RichiH_ | wols_: thanks |
| 14:01.59 | beu | matboy: :P |
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| 14:02.49 | pizdets | is it possible to use a windows printer (that's on network) on debian? |
| 14:02.55 | wols_ | pizdets: yes |
| 14:02.59 | MatBoy | Load lgx will load the nvidia-glx ? or do I need to load nvidia-glx ? |
| 14:03.00 | wols_ | samba can do it |
| 14:03.02 | asg | pizdets: sure |
| 14:03.06 | berkes | pizdets: off course |
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| 14:03.12 | wols_ | MatBoy: "load" how? |
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| 14:03.34 | MatBoy | wols_, in xorg.conf |
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| 14:03.45 | wols_ | pizdets: if it's windows2000 or later you print to, CUPS alone can do it via IPP |
| 14:04.07 | wols_ | MatBoy: glx iirc. it replaces libglx in some dir |
| 14:04.19 | pxpert | thanks wols_ , now i've found a new very important apt-get function: pinning :) |
| 14:04.33 | MatBoy | wols_, OK :) |
| 14:04.49 | wols_ | pxpert: do that VERY carefully. it's the easiest way to bring your install down with apt |
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| 14:05.44 | wols_ | especially when you pin packages from a more stable system in a less stable one (e.g. getting testing packages when in stable |
| 14:05.56 | wols_ | cause debian can NOT downgrade packages |
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| 14:06.06 | pxpert | ah |
| 14:06.27 | pxpert | thanks for the suggestion, i will be very careful |
| 14:06.45 | wols_ | well, you already want to run experimental. not what I call careful :P |
| 14:06.58 | simon23 | anyone wants to know the solution for my xmms problem (solved) |
| 14:07.00 | simon23 | ? |
| 14:07.07 | pxpert | it's because i want to use xorg 7.1 and aiglx |
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| 14:07.45 | beefcake | can someone help a newbie setting up smtp ? |
| 14:07.48 | berkes | but eh, anyone who knows why apachectl is not available on debian? |
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| 14:08.16 | simon23 | however,... i used ps aux | grep xmms to find out that there was some xmms stuff still open... http://paste.debian.net/13100 |
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| 14:08.36 | simon23 | killall xmms and a new execution gave it back to be :-) |
| 14:08.43 | simon23 | thanks to all who helped me ! |
| 14:08.44 | eegore | is it possible to set up a flash drive as a bootable image as a router |
| 14:08.48 | wols_ | beu: this says you're wrong: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=apachectl&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
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| 14:09.01 | shastry | hi |
| 14:09.09 | shastry | whats the codename of the testing branch ? |
| 14:09.13 | asg | etch |
| 14:09.17 | shastry | i'm trying to install via debootstrap.. |
| 14:09.22 | shastry | etch points to sid :/ |
| 14:09.37 | wols_ | beefcake: kinda big request (depending on your intended setup tho). maybe ask more specific questions |
| 14:09.39 | MatBoy | how am I going to switch my Lilo back from 2.6.16 to 2.6.17 ? I use Linux-images so lilo is configured automaticly every time |
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| 14:09.54 | wols_ | or try to work from a howto and when you encounter problems, then ask about it |
| 14:09.55 | eegore | I found tha tout when I tried to use an etch net install |
| 14:09.59 | asg | MatBoy: edit /etc/lilo.conf ; /sbin/lilo |
| 14:10.10 | wols_ | shastry: very unlikely |
| 14:10.16 | berkes | wols_: weird. locate does not show anything here |
| 14:10.23 | MatBoy | asg, but in the lilo.conf is nowhere the kernel to find that I run now |
| 14:10.28 | shastry | wols_: in debootstrap of testing |
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| 14:10.31 | shastry | 0.3.3 |
| 14:10.35 | wols_ | berkes: updatedb& |
| 14:10.36 | asg | MatBoy: then add it manually |
| 14:10.39 | berkes | ber@alacarte2:~$ ls /usr/sbin/apachectl |
| 14:10.39 | berkes | ls: /usr/sbin/apachectl: No such file or directory |
| 14:10.40 | jetscreamer | MatBoy: either mv /etc/lilo.conf and run liloconfig or just add a new stanza to lilo.conf ... then run lilo |
| 14:10.42 | MatBoy | asg, it works with Kernel and Kernel OLD |
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| 14:10.56 | jetscreamer | MatBoy: you can put anything you want |
| 14:10.57 | MatBoy | jetscreamer, also a good idea :) |
| 14:10.58 | berkes | wols_ ^^ |
| 14:11.04 | eegore | shingouz: |
| 14:11.10 | eegore | you still here? |
| 14:11.11 | MatBoy | or should I unstainstall 2.6.17 and reinstall it ? |
| 14:11.12 | asg | jetscreamer: well, not anything |
| 14:11.12 | jetscreamer | the name doesn't matter.. just don't have duplicate names |
| 14:11.18 | wols_ | berkes: are you running apache or apache2? |
| 14:11.23 | jetscreamer | yea |
| 14:11.25 | berkes | wols_: apache2 |
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| 14:11.38 | jetscreamer | just edit the conffile MatBoy |
| 14:11.45 | wols_ | berkes: then guess very hard why there is no apachectl :P |
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| 14:11.46 | MatBoy | jetscreamer, okido :) |
| 14:11.48 | jetscreamer | oh look another torll |
| 14:11.57 | jetscreamer | troll |
| 14:11.59 | berkes | wols_: :$ |
| 14:12.10 | wols_ | berkes: there is an apache2ctl |
| 14:12.24 | berkes | dohdohdoh |
| 14:12.30 | MatBoy | jetscreamer, I already see what it does.... a Linux-image installation moves the latest kernel to initrd.img |
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| 14:12.37 | jetscreamer | no |
| 14:12.44 | wols_ | MatBoy: it doesn't. |
| 14:12.45 | wols_ | !initrd |
| 14:12.45 | dpkg | initrd is probably initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 14:12.45 | jetscreamer | those are symlinks |
| 14:12.56 | jetscreamer | it changes the symlinks |
| 14:13.52 | wols_ | the initrds alone are a more than sufficient reason to build custom vanilla kernels |
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| 14:14.14 | MatBoy | jetscreamer, aha :) so I can also change the symlinks :) |
| 14:14.31 | wols_ | MatBoy: be a man and build your own :) |
| 14:14.47 | asg | !flw |
| 14:14.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, flw31 is <p88> anymous: a trojan is pretty much impossible <p88> this system is 1 day old |
| 14:14.50 | wols_ | s/man/geek/ |
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| 14:15.11 | MatBoy | wols_, haha, doesn't need that anymore when SMP is already enabled by default and hey... why make life difficult ?? :P |
| 14:15.11 | Logi73ch | How can I get my webcam working? |
| 14:15.16 | Logi73ch | I installed webcamd |
| 14:15.23 | Logi73ch | But it said it cannot find /dev/video0 |
| 14:15.33 | Logi73ch | my webcam is plugged in via USB |
| 14:16.09 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 14:16.14 | wols_ | does lsusb show your webcam? what kernel do you use? |
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| 14:16.27 | eegore | has anyone here had any experience with ide flash drives? |
| 14:16.33 | Logi73ch | 2.6.15-1-48 <-- Kernel |
| 14:16.35 | wols_ | MatBoy: with dangerous talking like that, you will lose your geek badge very soon |
| 14:16.35 | jetscreamer | or just make new ones, then reference them from lilo.conf... you can also ref. the stuff in boot directly. |
| 14:16.48 | Logi73ch | ooh, lsusb has recognised it |
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| 14:16.57 | wols_ | eegore: you should know that "anyone" questions are bad. ask the real one |
| 14:17.22 | Logi73ch | how do I get it mounted then? |
| 14:17.40 | Logi73ch | /working? |
| 14:17.57 | eegore | I am trying to install a router on a system with an IDE compact flash adapter |
| 14:18.22 | eegore | using a hard drive for the variable data |
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| 14:18.28 | pisky | excuse me, I've got just a simple question: does direct rendering affect the speed of drawing of kde and gnome windows? |
| 14:18.45 | berkes | does anyone here use virtualmin on debian? |
| 14:19.00 | eegore | I do |
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| 14:19.10 | eegore | berkes: VMware player |
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| 14:19.40 | eegore | berkes: why? |
| 14:19.48 | berkes | eegore: do you know a way to make it respect the /etc/apache/conf.d/ system, instead of glueing everything in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 14:19.55 | jetscreamer | pisky: it can help depending ... i'm not up on it htough |
| 14:20.18 | Logi73ch | if my webcam is recognised when I run lsusb, how can i get the webcam up & working? |
| 14:20.35 | pisky | jetscreamer: thank you |
| 14:20.37 | berkes | it annoyes me, because debian has a very nice way to make conf files modular, and self-containing, but I cannot use it :) |
| 14:20.47 | eegore | berkes: I am afraid I am not that familiar with apache |
| 14:21.02 | berkes | eegore: no prob! |
| 14:21.41 | eegore | I run windows in VMware player so I can run the PLC and Autocad programs for work |
| 14:22.11 | Logi73ch | wols_, can you help? |
| 14:22.40 | pxpert | rebooting |
| 14:22.41 | pxpert | byeee |
| 14:22.56 | wols_ | Logi73ch: not really. don't have any usb devics |
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| 14:23.02 | Logi73ch | aw |
| 14:23.15 | asg | berkes: all you should need to do is add 'Include /etc/apache/conf.d/' to /etc/apache/httpd.conf (at the bottom) |
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| 14:24.14 | wols_ | !tell berkes about webmin |
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| 14:25.07 | margiolas | hi |
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| 14:26.56 | thrice` | where can I request a package that doesn't exist in the repos? |
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| 14:27.08 | berkes | asg: my conf.d scripts are read just fine. The problem is virtualmin that writes to httpd.conf |
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| 14:27.27 | margiolas | hello I want a nice program in order to edit some videos I haven't good experience on video editing....... |
| 14:27.37 | jetscreamer | thrice`: probably be quicker just to compile it yourself :) |
| 14:27.47 | asg | berkes: you might file a wishlist bug (if you have a patch that fixes things, include it also) |
| 14:27.51 | margiolas | but I want somethig good and powerfull |
| 14:27.52 | jetscreamer | margiolas: avidemux... you need marillat |
| 14:28.02 | jetscreamer | !tell margiolas -about marillat |
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| 14:28.04 | thrice` | jetscreamer, yes, but I hate checkinstall, and don't quite understand .deb creation yet |
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| 14:29.02 | jetscreamer | that and acidrip are like the easiest i've found... both on marillat |
| 14:29.05 | suma | i want to have a debian distribution only with my application, how would i do that |
| 14:29.19 | jetscreamer | !tell suma -about repository |
| 14:29.22 | wols_ | !d-i |
| 14:29.23 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 14:29.27 | jetscreamer | no not suppository... |
| 14:29.40 | berkes | wols_: I have compared webmin/virtualmin and ispconfig as our virtual-hosting frontend, but decided on the first, because it has deb packages. |
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| 14:30.26 | berkes | In general, i'd expect something with debs to be more secure and more stable then something that must be hand-compiled |
| 14:30.39 | jetscreamer | depends who made the deb |
| 14:30.50 | jetscreamer | if it was a debian source, yes |
| 14:30.50 | wols_ | berkes: have you read the links dpkg gave you? especially the last one? |
| 14:31.04 | berkes | jetscreamer: sure, but doesnt debian-stable imply that it is tested and all that? |
| 14:31.11 | mcdmx | asg: stupid me... showing the uid instead of the name for long user-names is not a bug of procps but a feature (found in procps's FAQ) |
| 14:31.23 | berkes | wols_: yea, that is why i told you the above ;) |
| 14:31.28 | asg | mcdmx: ah, fair enough |
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| 14:31.51 | eegore | dpkg: manual bootstrap installation on flash drive |
| 14:32.35 | eegore | google has been sucking for imformation lately |
| 14:32.43 | wols_ | berkes: the problem I have with webmin is that the whole design/idea of it all is bad. Similar to many Windows things: they implementation is often qualtitatively better than Linux. But their design suck so much ass that the implementation won#t matter a thing |
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| 14:33.17 | berkes | wols_: my problem is that I never used any frontends like this. |
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| 14:33.41 | wols_ | then why did you start? |
| 14:33.50 | berkes | but our client base is growing too fast, so we need administrative software. Till now the only one with debs is virtualmin |
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| 14:34.37 | asg | berkes: the guy who wrote webmin also wrote a book (no starch press or prentice hall's open source series) If you have to go that route, it would be worth the investment. |
| 14:34.43 | berkes | wols_: aer you familiar with any alternatives for virtualmin (note: I don't need webmin, just virtualmin) |
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| 14:35.11 | berkes | asg: thanks, its already on my wishlist ;) |
| 14:35.20 | wols_ | ssh. I don't use anything else :) |
| 14:35.25 | asg | berkes: :) |
| 14:35.30 | wols_ | so sorry, no. |
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| 14:36.14 | berkes | wols_: hah. that is nice as long as you don't get phonecalls on daily base from clients "can you add this and that emailadress to my domain please" and so on. |
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| 14:36.24 | shoggy | hello |
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| 14:36.47 | berkes | wols_: we (my partners) even bought plesk. But I refuse to install that :) |
| 14:36.55 | berkes | *shudder* |
| 14:36.58 | wols_ | berkes: isn't there stuff like confixx available in a "light" version for free? |
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| 14:37.36 | riot | hmm. How do i implement software suspend on a debian unstable? |
| 14:37.38 | berkes | wols_: i am not looking for webmin/server admin over the web. ssh is just fine. I am looking for virtual hosting admin apps |
| 14:38.18 | shoggy | i used cdebootstrap to make the root filesystem of a livecd (using etch). why /sbin/start-stop-daemon only contains "#!/bin/sh" while the real binary is located at /sbin/start-stop-daemon.REAL ? this makes my daemon don't start |
| 14:39.03 | berkes | wols_: but thanks for the pointer. confixx looks alright. could be an option if ssh is not an option for my partners :) |
| 14:41.07 | pizdets | i'm trying to add a printer with lpadmin and it's telling me client-error-not-possible. anyone know why/ |
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| 14:42.02 | jetscreamer | berkes: hsphere? |
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| 14:44.00 | threat2 | How can I fix this error when adding or removing things in apt? --> Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 14:44.00 | threat2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.00 | threat2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.28 | threat2 | what package needs to be installed? some apt python package? |
| 14:44.54 | jetscreamer | apt-file search apt-listchanges ? |
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| 14:45.38 | threat2 | jetscreamer, sounds like a good command to try |
| 14:45.57 | jetscreamer | apt-listchanges: usr/bin/apt-listchanges |
| 14:46.03 | threat2 | apt-file? what is that? |
| 14:46.14 | jetscreamer | !apt-file |
| 14:46.14 | dpkg | somebody said apt-file was util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename, or currently broken in testing and unstable, refer to bug #377140 |
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| 14:46.31 | jetscreamer | works here |
| 14:46.37 | jetscreamer | maybe the broken is old |
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| 14:46.50 | jetscreamer | !info apt-listchanges |
| 14:46.52 | dpkg | apt-listchanges: (Display change history from .deb archives), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.63 (sid), Packaged size: 56 kB, Installed size: 396 kB |
| 14:47.22 | jetscreamer | i'd guess that apt-listchanges supplies apt-listchanges |
| 14:47.50 | tarzeau | !seen damog |
| 14:47.50 | dpkg | damog <damog@72.232.199.18> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 4d 17h 28m 1s ago, saying: 'Baby: Good enough :)'. |
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| 14:48.25 | talljon84 | If I want to devine custom routes on startup, where should I be defining them in debian? |
| 14:48.42 | threat2 | jetscreamer, ok |
| 14:49.04 | threat2 | jetscreamer, well I cannot import apt_pkg in python |
| 14:49.17 | Wyzard | talljon84: "man interfaces", read about the "up" and "down" keywords, and use them to attach scripts to the interface that your custom routes are for |
| 14:49.35 | threat2 | jetscreamer, ok I can import apt_pkg in python 2.3 but not 2.4 |
| 14:49.48 | jetscreamer | python... that's a snake, right? (that's how much i know about python) |
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| 14:50.58 | threat2 | jetscreamer, heh, scripting language :) |
| 14:51.03 | threat2 | close enough |
| 14:51.19 | threat2 | although it is named python after Monty Python's Flying Circus |
| 14:51.34 | jetscreamer | well i actually know 'what' it is |
| 14:51.42 | jetscreamer | but that's about it |
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| 14:51.57 | wishkah | I have a 2.6.16-2 debian kernel and a pcmcia device that only works with pci=routeirq, I read that I was supposed to report that device to the kernel |
| 14:51.58 | jetscreamer | didn't know about monty python though |
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| 14:52.06 | wishkah | ... guys, is that correct? any hints (what info, where to...) |
| 14:52.22 | jetscreamer | you add that to the module loading don't you? |
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| 14:52.32 | jetscreamer | use modconf |
| 14:52.37 | jetscreamer | !modconf |
| 14:52.37 | dpkg | modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will add to /etc/modules |
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| 14:53.49 | wishkah | jetscreamer: was that directed to me? pci=routeirq is a kernel boottime option |
| 14:53.56 | threat2 | ok |
| 14:54.23 | jetscreamer | wishkah: yes, but i could be worng.... but i don't really think so, but i dunno i know nothing |
| 14:54.31 | eegore | Even yahoo is sucking today |
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| 14:56.36 | berkes | jetscreamer: sorry was afk for a moment. I did not know that tool yet, looks alright indeed. |
| 14:57.45 | dn4 | I tried to make sense of the world. I found out that I was only making sense of my senses and fell off into deep metacongition. |
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| 14:59.58 | talljon84 | Wyzard: ok, I got the result I wanted but it seems counter-intuitive. My situation is that I have two interfaces (eth0 to the WAN and eth1 to the LAN) when the interfaces come up, the both add default routes to 0.0.0.0... only eth0 is actually connected to the internet so I added an "up route del -net 0.0.0.0 ..." entry to the interfaces file... is this really the correct solution? |
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| 15:03.06 | Wyzard | talljon84: Is this machine the router for the LAN? |
| 15:03.13 | talljon84 | Wyzard: yes |
| 15:04.10 | Wyzard | talljon84: How do you have eth0 configured? It shouldn't be getting that default route in the first place. |
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| 15:04.55 | shastry | is unstable really unstable or usable on a desktop ? |
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| 15:05.06 | talljon84 | well eth1 is connected to the LAN and shouldn't be getting a default route. it's a static ip assignment with netmask and gateway of itself.. is the gateway the error? |
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| 15:05.26 | Wyzard | talljon84: Oops, sorry, I meant eth1, not eth0 |
| 15:05.34 | Wyzard | talljon84: Anyway, yes, it shouldn't have that gateway statement |
| 15:05.43 | talljon84 | sure enough, if i remove the gateway problem solved |
| 15:06.20 | wols_ | talljon84: you only have one default route |
| 15:06.28 | wols_ | !unstable |
| 15:06.28 | dpkg | i guess unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 15:06.37 | talljon84 | Wyzard: apparently I was more tired last night than I thought. lol |
| 15:06.42 | talljon84 | thanks |
| 15:07.24 | Wyzard | np |
| 15:07.41 | talljon84 | Wyzard: now for the real challange: setting up iptables to snat the lan. grr |
| 15:07.54 | wols_ | talljon84: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 15:07.54 | shastry | ok |
| 15:07.54 | wols_ | done |
| 15:08.07 | Wyzard | talljon84: Don't use raw iptables directly... use a firewall package, like FireHOL or Shorewall or something |
| 15:08.11 | wols_ | also use dnsmasq. highly useful |
| 15:08.39 | talljon84 | Wyzard: i've used shorewall in the past but wanted to try sharpening my iptables skills. is there an actual disadvantage to using iptables itself? |
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| 15:10.10 | Wyzard | talljon84: It's tedious and takes more work... same reason most software isn't written in assembly these days |
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| 15:10.42 | Wyzard | talljon84: I'd recommend taking a look at FireHOL... its configuration syntax is very readable and succinct |
| 15:11.56 | talljon84 | Wyzard: ok. thanks :-) |
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| 15:15.33 | Zap2K | hi, I am behind a gateway running debian with iptables and nat. My problem is that I am having trouble connecting to some ftp servers, while others work fine. From my gateway I can connect to all of the ftp servers. Do I have to forward certain ports on my gateway to my internal ip in order to get this to work on all ftp servers? |
| 15:16.55 | abrotman | have you tried passive mode? |
| 15:16.56 | Wyzard | Zap2K: You need to load the "ip_nat_ftp" and/or "ip_conntrack_modules" (not sure which) on your gateway |
| 15:17.01 | Wyzard | Zap2K: or use passive mode |
| 15:17.11 | Zap2K | abrotman: Yes, passive mode works on some servers but not all :/ |
| 15:17.34 | Wyzard | Zap2K: That's the server's problem, then -- in passive mode, you open an additional connection to the server on some other port to perform a transfer |
| 15:17.39 | talljon84 | On another note, does anyone know how I could configure my linux box to get an external IP with DSL directly? The ISP (verizon) uses PPPoE but I'm sick of their stupid router/modem getting it and nating to my own router. |
| 15:17.48 | Wyzard | Zap2K: Without passive mode, the server opens an additional connection to you instead |
| 15:18.36 | Wyzard | Zap2K: The ip_nat_ftp/ip_conntrack_ftp modules do special handling of the FTP protocol, so that the secondary connection is accepted (and forwarded to the appropriate computer behind the gateway) because it's related to the main one |
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| 15:19.03 | jetscreamer | some router/modems now have a setting that turns off the pppoe client in the modem, allowing you to use whatever |
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| 15:19.29 | Zap2K | Wyzard: I see. So I dont need to forward any ports at all to have passive mode working? |
| 15:19.50 | talljon84 | jetscreamer: if I turn pppoe off on the modem, will it allow me to perform the PPPoE in Linux across the ethernet link? |
| 15:20.10 | Wyzard | Zap2K: Port-forwarding wouldn't help because the ports involved are randomly-chosen and different each time |
| 15:20.27 | jetscreamer | talljon84: that probably depends on the modem |
| 15:20.38 | jetscreamer | but that's how it works for me |
| 15:20.54 | abrotman | Zap2K: do you have the ESTABLISHED, RELATED rules? |
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| 15:21.02 | Wyzard | Zap2K: FTP connection tracking provides the same sort of effect, though, but dynamically, sensing what connections are related to what other FTP connections and forwarding accordingly |
| 15:21.14 | talljon84 | jetscreamer: ok, and then I presume you use the ppp daemon instead to establish the linkup? |
| 15:21.30 | Zap2K | abrotman: no, I am unfamiliar with those two sets of rules. |
| 15:21.40 | jetscreamer | talljon84: i have my linksys do the pppoe instead of the modem |
| 15:21.46 | jetscreamer | it's behind the modem |
| 15:21.47 | Zap2K | Wyzard: If I use active mode, can I get this to work by just forwarding some ports instead of using the two modules that you talked about? |
| 15:21.51 | talljon84 | jetscreamer: ok |
| 15:21.57 | Wyzard | Zap2K: Are you using a firewall package, or hand-written iptables rules? |
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| 15:22.00 | Wyzard | Zap2K: No, you can't |
| 15:22.09 | Zap2K | wyzard: hand-written iptables rules. |
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| 15:22.35 | abrotman | Zap2K: might not solve the issue though |
| 15:23.14 | Wyzard | Zap2K: You need a rule that accepts packets that are ESTABLISHED (further communication in an existing connection) or RELATED (new connections that are related to an existing one, such as those used by FTP) |
| 15:23.26 | Wyzard | Zap2K: but you really should consider using a firewall package instead |
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| 15:23.54 | googleme | Can someone help me with a little php/mysql query? |
| 15:23.58 | Zap2K | Wyzard: can you recommend one such a package? |
| 15:24.00 | abrotman | #mysql ? |
| 15:24.07 | googleme | ya:D |
| 15:24.09 | googleme | mysql |
| 15:24.25 | Wyzard | Zap2K: firehol |
| 15:24.38 | googleme | see I need to pull a certain row number, how do I do that, with mysql_num_rows() ? |
| 15:24.58 | wols_ | ##php |
| 15:25.09 | googleme | or is there another built in php function? |
| 15:25.18 | Zap2K | ok, wyzard and abrotman, thanks for your help. I'll take a closer look at these iptables rules and firewall packages :) |
| 15:25.33 | abrotman | Zap2K: might also want to ask #iptables |
| 15:25.49 | googleme | ^__^ |
| 15:25.49 | wols_ | googleme: mysql returns an associative array IIRC |
| 15:25.50 | abrotman | googleme: have you asked ##php ? |
| 15:26.09 | googleme | umm, no i dont know much about IRC |
| 15:26.18 | googleme | sry |
| 15:26.32 | abrotman | googleme: or try mysql_data_seek |
| 15:26.47 | googleme | @abrotman ok lemme see |
| 15:27.08 | abrotman | googleme: http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.mysql.php ... read the list of functions |
| 15:27.25 | stoned | debian sucks |
| 15:27.47 | googleme | ok lemme explain a little more in depth abrotman |
| 15:27.58 | stoned | oh who am I kiddin |
| 15:27.59 | googleme | See i have a pre-defined variable based on a random number |
| 15:27.59 | googleme | ok |
| 15:28.03 | stoned | I can't troll worth shit |
| 15:28.15 | stoned | nice guitar man |
| 15:28.22 | stoned | do you own it, or just a cool one you found online |
| 15:28.48 | googleme | Now based on that random number, I want to pull that row from the database |
| 15:28.59 | googleme | do i still use dataseek? |
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| 15:29.47 | abrotman | stoned: which one? |
| 15:29.53 | stoned | flame top |
| 15:29.57 | wols_ | googleme: give your datarows ID numbers |
| 15:30.00 | wols_ | problem solved |
| 15:30.04 | abrotman | googleme: you use data_seek if you know the row number |
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| 15:30.43 | abrotman | it's mysql_data_seek() |
| 15:30.47 | Wyzard | googleme: To use data_seek you'd have to query *all* the rows from the table, and then use data_seek to jump to the specified place in the list of all the rows |
| 15:30.52 | wols_ | googleme: especially since your solution would always read the FULL table into the result array: that's just shitty programming |
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| 15:30.57 | raphi | hi there, can someone please tell me, which graphiccard-driver i have to choose in the X-Serverconfig for a 'Hercules 3d prophet 4000xt tv-out'?? And does the tv-out really works? |
| 15:31.07 | Wyzard | googleme: That's very inefficient and doesn't scale -- why read the entire table into memory when you only want one row anyway |
| 15:31.08 | wols_ | raphi: lspci -v |
| 15:31.28 | abrotman | lspci | grep -i vga |
| 15:31.33 | ofer0 | raphi, "ati", if I'm not wrong. but "vesa" will work too. |
| 15:31.40 | googleme | I know, I googled it :D |
| 15:31.43 | Wyzard | googleme: Give the rows ID numbers, as wols_ said, and then select "where id = $mynum" or whatever -- that way you only retrieve the single row you're interested in |
| 15:31.47 | pyxel | hello, zhat is alternative of apt-setup in etch ?? |
| 15:31.51 | pyxel | *what |
| 15:31.56 | abrotman | vi |
| 15:31.57 | wols_ | hercules never made ati based cards IIRC, Tseng, kyro and the like |
| 15:32.04 | jetscreamer | abrotman you jam? |
| 15:32.07 | Wyzard | googleme: An ID number is a common choice for a primary key anyway |
| 15:32.23 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i just had some blackberry jam |
| 15:32.32 | jetscreamer | poser! |
| 15:32.37 | jetscreamer | i meant play guitar |
| 15:32.44 | stoned | huh |
| 15:32.45 | stoned | hey |
| 15:32.46 | abrotman | i do |
| 15:32.46 | biopyte | hi. OT: sorry for this OT-stuff. i want to give away an old box (PII) and just wanted to delete personal data. but the BIOS complains 'keyboard error or no keyboard present'. i checked a definitive functional keyboard on serial and ps/2. no way. any idea? no keyboard, no boot? |
| 15:32.47 | stoned | I made a song |
| 15:32.50 | stoned | you wanna hear? |
| 15:32.51 | abrotman | stoned: i don't have a flame guitar |
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| 15:32.56 | jetscreamer | ah you are my son then |
| 15:33.00 | stoned | I am |
| 15:33.01 | googleme | but Wyzard, see i'm pulling "Finished Projects" for random pics module. If the project isn't finished, then I don't want it |
| 15:33.04 | stoned | ? |
| 15:33.06 | jetscreamer | inspirit |
| 15:33.07 | pyxel | because apt-setup is obselete in testing dist, so what can I use in etch ? |
| 15:33.11 | stoned | jetscreamer, dad! |
| 15:33.13 | stoned | lol |
| 15:33.14 | jetscreamer | apt-spy |
| 15:33.21 | Wyzard | biopyte: If the PS/2 port on the motherboard is defective, whoever you give the computer to won't be able to use it either |
| 15:33.23 | jetscreamer | i just have a bc rich now |
| 15:33.23 | googleme | so how do i pull a random finished project based on ID? |
| 15:33.26 | ofer0 | biopyte, maybe the keyboard connector on the motherboard is dead. |
| 15:33.27 | stoned | me too |
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| 15:33.38 | stoned | I got the kerry king sig series |
| 15:33.41 | stoned | flying V |
| 15:33.43 | Wyzard | biopyte: but FWIW, you can wipe the hard drive by taking it out and putting it in another computer |
| 15:33.44 | wols_ | googleme: where id = $mynum AND status=$finished |
| 15:34.09 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i'm actually shopping for a new one |
| 15:34.13 | abrotman | new guitar i mean |
| 15:34.14 | biopyte | Wyzard, ofer0: sure, thats one possibilty. but it always worked until i put the box into the cellar. |
| 15:34.20 | googleme | but how do i prevent rand() from generating a number that isn't an ID? |
| 15:34.25 | stoned | abrotman, me too. I am thinking of getting a 7 string |
| 15:34.29 | Wyzard | googleme: For questions about how to design your database and how to construct queries, you'd be better off asking in #mysql |
| 15:34.32 | wols_ | googleme: but it's more and more offtopic. there are a ton of mysql tutoorials out there |
| 15:34.33 | stoned | immagine what I can do with 1 more string |
| 15:34.39 | biopyte | Wyzard: sure, thats the hard way. :( |
| 15:34.58 | biopyte | anyway, thanks for the ideas. |
| 15:35.26 | abrotman | stoned: i'm looking at getting a martin DM12 |
| 15:35.29 | Wyzard | googleme: You could do one query to retrieve all the ID numbers (selecting the ID column only, so you're not pulling all the data), then pick a random index in that result list to get a valid ID number, and then query for the row with that ID |
| 15:35.36 | stoned | word |
| 15:35.51 | abrotman | stoned: either that .. or a fender nashville tele |
| 15:35.59 | stoned | hick! |
| 15:36.00 | Wyzard | googleme: but I don't know whether that first query would be OK and scalable, performance-wise... #mysql people would know better |
| 15:36.09 | abrotman | stoned: no .. go look at it |
| 15:36.10 | googleme | lmao, no one talks in mysql |
| 15:36.24 | googleme | it's all quite :D |
| 15:36.26 | stoned | I don't like fender bodies |
| 15:36.29 | abrotman | stoned: two tex-mex pickups .. nice sunburst body .. i like the telecasters |
| 15:36.37 | stoned | cool |
| 15:36.42 | abrotman | stoned: i don't like strats at all |
| 15:36.46 | stoned | I hate em too |
| 15:36.52 | googleme | i'm gonna stick with the mysql_data_seek() it's only two images anyhow, thanks again guys |
| 15:36.54 | abrotman | but teles .. mmm teles |
| 15:36.55 | Wyzard | googleme: This isn't paid support, so don't expect an instantaneous answer :-) |
| 15:36.58 | stoned | the fucking vol. knob is in the wrong place on a strat |
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| 15:37.12 | stoned | I don't know how yngwie does it |
| 15:37.14 | stoned | I hate him |
| 15:37.14 | abrotman | stoned: use the pedal ? :) |
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| 15:37.21 | Wyzard | googleme: No, seriously, it's a bad idea to pull the entire table when you only want one row |
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| 15:37.34 | stoned | abrotman, http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/song3.mp3 |
| 15:37.36 | googleme | Actually i want two |
| 15:37.44 | abrotman | Wyzard: leave him go ... it's not really debian related any how |
| 15:38.02 | abrotman | stoned: not going to share with jetscreamer ? |
| 15:38.07 | googleme | blarg |
| 15:38.12 | Wyzard | googleme: At least do the two-phase thing I described, where you pull all the IDs to get a list to choose from, and then query by ID from there |
| 15:38.16 | wols_ | abrotman: but he will create badly written php websites in the future |
| 15:38.21 | Wyzard | googleme: but yeah, I'm going to stop talking about this in #debian now |
| 15:38.21 | stoned | jetscreamer, http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/song3.mp3 |
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| 15:38.28 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 15:38.40 | wols_ | can the world sustain another bad php programmer and not experience armageddon? |
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| 15:38.43 | abrotman | wols_: shocker? :) |
| 15:38.43 | stoned | abrotman, jetscreamer, recording is very shitty. Turn your bass down and listen, two guitars, and drums, and bass |
| 15:38.54 | abrotman | i have a laptop ... i have no bass! :) |
| 15:39.14 | abrotman | great drummer! |
| 15:39.21 | perlmonkey | I have this soundcard I bought a couple of years ago which has optical out, I didnt have any luck getting the optical part to work in Debian when I first tried it, I wondered if the card might be better supported now? |
| 15:39.55 | wols_ | you need a talking bass then abrotman |
| 15:39.55 | abrotman | wols_: they sell those at walmart |
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| 15:39.56 | abrotman | perlmonkey: which kernel did you try before ? |
| 15:39.56 | wols_ | then it should be easy to get for you |
| 15:40.22 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:40.24 | wols_ | we germans have problems: a few weeks ago walmart sold their stores to a local corp since they didn't have any success here :) |
| 15:40.31 | abrotman | stoned: neil young would not be proud :) |
| 15:40.42 | perlmonkey | abrotman: I'm not sure, but I have only upgraded my kernel once since then, and I'm now running testing |
| 15:40.45 | abrotman | wols_: how is that a problem .. walmart is a cancer |
| 15:40.47 | Ronin | wols_: and thats a problem? heh |
| 15:40.52 | abrotman | perlmonkey: uname -r |
| 15:40.56 | wols_ | No talking bass! |
| 15:41.03 | stoned | I dunno man, but these tonalities, and speed, the agression plus melody get me |
| 15:41.10 | stoned | to me thats soulful, emotional |
| 15:41.12 | stoned | dark etc. |
| 15:41.14 | wols_ | besides: the corp they sold it too isn't really better... |
| 15:41.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:41.25 | stoned | I enjoy it very much |
| 15:41.30 | perlmonkey | abrotman: 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 15:41.51 | abrotman | perlmonkey: first of all .. that's insecure .. secondly .. etch has a newer kernel available |
| 15:41.52 | stoned | I bet neil young can't play guitar like me |
| 15:41.55 | stoned | I bet you money on that |
| 15:42.10 | perlmonkey | abrotman: damn |
| 15:42.11 | abrotman | stoned: it's a subjective thing |
| 15:42.18 | stoned | but its true |
| 15:42.27 | stoned | I can't play like him, and he can't play like me |
| 15:42.34 | stoned | so why bring him in? |
| 15:42.37 | abrotman | perlmonkey: that should be 2.6.8-3-686 .. but etch has a 2.6.16 |
| 15:42.38 | perlmonkey | abrotman: I have installed a newer kernel (about 7 months ago) but it doesnt boot, gives kernel panic... I guess I missed out something? |
| 15:42.39 | wols_ | the question is if he wants to play like you :) |
| 15:42.50 | abrotman | stoned: OW! |
| 15:42.52 | stoned | hehe |
| 15:42.54 | stoned | tool |
| 15:42.59 | abrotman | front 242 |
| 15:43.06 | tarzeau | hi abrotman |
| 15:43.10 | abrotman | hi |
| 15:43.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: how far did you get in bloboats? |
| 15:43.24 | abrotman | i didn't play it yet .. i was out shopping for guitars yesterday |
| 15:43.27 | perlmonkey | abrotman: if I upgrade to 2.6.18 do you my optical sound might work? |
| 15:43.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: i finished all levels :) it didn't segfault, the game is quality approved |
| 15:43.36 | perlmonkey | *think |
| 15:43.40 | abrotman | perlmonkey: that's probably more a question for #alsa .. i can't honestly say |
| 15:43.42 | stoned | should've went to guitar center on labor day |
| 15:43.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you ever be in switzerland, you can play mine |
| 15:43.47 | perlmonkey | ok sorry |
| 15:43.47 | stoned | like I friggin told you |
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| 15:43.55 | Bhavesh | !nvidia |
| 15:43.55 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 15:44.05 | stoned | I saw 1400 yngwie malmsteen fender for 850 |
| 15:44.15 | abrotman | stoned: you know .. they're assholes .. they're selling what i think is a DM12 as a D12GTM or some crap .. which martin doesn't |
| 15:44.16 | abrotman | make |
| 15:44.23 | abrotman | Bhavesh: msg the bot please |
| 15:44.30 | stoned | I bought a peavy bandit 112 for like 250$, it was retailing for 499$ |
| 15:44.34 | Bhavesh | abrotman: sorry i did not know |
| 15:44.37 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 15:44.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 15:44.47 | stoned | Bhavesh, ^^ |
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| 15:46.27 | stoned | abrotman, warmoth |
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| 15:46.37 | stoned | custom shop |
| 15:46.39 | raphi | ofer0: Ati doesn't, 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: STMicroelectronics STG4000 [3D Prophet Kyro Series] (rev01) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 15:46.53 | abrotman | isn't that nvidia ? |
| 15:47.07 | wols_ | !whack abrotman |
| 15:47.07 | blondie | hmm |
| 15:47.15 | abrotman | wols_: no ? |
| 15:47.31 | wols_ | it's a kyro2 or such |
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| 15:47.37 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 15:47.42 | ikonia | chaps, is there a way to re-install/refresh current installed packages, eg: apt-get refresh |
| 15:47.54 | wols_ | you really must be younger than you look |
| 15:48.00 | abrotman | ikonia: man apt-get |
| 15:48.01 | wols_ | a mid 90s videocard. not too bad |
| 15:48.04 | perlmonkey | if I want to update my system should I do apt-get upgrade? |
| 15:48.14 | abrotman | wols_: i'm not a gamer .. i had a 486 in the 90s :) |
| 15:48.15 | wols_ | perlmonkey: apt-get update first, then upgrade |
| 15:48.19 | abrotman | with a CL card!!! |
| 15:48.21 | perlmonkey | ok thanks |
| 15:48.29 | wols_ | abrotman: that's what this card was for. and early P5s |
| 15:48.32 | ikonia | abrotman: done, I'm missing the option, I've tried forcing an upgrade eg: apt-get -f dist-upgrade or apt-get -f upgrade |
| 15:48.37 | Bhavesh | thanks abrotman i should come here more often :) found wealth of information |
| 15:48.41 | ikonia | but its not, reinstalling/refreshing the packages |
| 15:48.42 | wols_ | CL? cirrus? ouch |
| 15:48.48 | blondie | abrotman: well, 486s were only released in the 90s :P |
| 15:48.50 | abrotman | wols_: i vaguely remember it .. but i thought it was nvidia |
| 15:48.53 | abrotman | Bhavesh: duh :) |
| 15:49.00 | abrotman | blondie: i mean .. all of the 90s :) |
| 15:49.11 | wols_ | no, not 93. in 91. in 94-95 it was a et4000 |
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| 15:49.20 | blondie | abrotman: mine was a 486 50 until 1998 |
| 15:49.20 | abrotman | ikonia: what are you actually trying to do |
| 15:49.22 | ikonia | I can't see a refresh/reinstall option |
| 15:49.27 | raphi | abrotman: yes, it's a kyro, but i know, bad thing.... but don't know which driver i've to choose... :-D the mean thing i need is the TV-out |
| 15:49.31 | ikonia | abrotman: refresh/reinstall my current system |
| 15:49.35 | abrotman | ikonia: --reinstall ? |
| 15:49.48 | Bhavesh | hehe well i used to come here long a go now a days i am too busy.. i came back b/c when i upgraded my kernel, xmms stopped playing music, mplayer works, tv works |
| 15:49.56 | ikonia | abrotman: that only works if you call out the standalone pacakgage I believe |
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| 15:50.02 | ikonia | I want to refresh/re-apply the current system |
| 15:50.03 | abrotman | !reinstall |
| 15:50.04 | dpkg | methinks reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
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| 15:50.15 | abrotman | and no .. i've never tried it |
| 15:50.23 | ikonia | ooh ok |
| 15:50.24 | nvz | Bhavesh: probably the output plugin in xmms is wrong |
| 15:50.25 | ikonia | lets try that |
| 15:50.30 | ikonia | thank you |
| 15:51.10 | Bhavesh | nvz: i checked everything twice.. it is pointing to ALSA .. i even recompiled my kernel made sure ALSA was built into kernel and not as a module |
| 15:51.15 | perlmonkey | sheesh Im getting lots of errors on my apt-get upgrade |
| 15:51.25 | abrotman | !paster |
| 15:51.25 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 15:51.30 | perlmonkey | Err http://debian.blueyonder.co.uk testing/main lsb-base 3.1-15 |
| 15:51.30 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.35 | ikonia | Hmmm didn't seem to do a reinstall |
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| 15:51.45 | Roey | hello all |
| 15:51.50 | ikonia | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 15:51.54 | Roey | how do I make apt-listbugs answer 'y' for itself? |
| 15:51.59 | Roey | at the prompt? |
| 15:52.05 | abrotman | perlmonkey: did you run apt-get update first ? |
| 15:52.17 | abrotman | Roey: man yes |
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| 15:52.37 | perlmonkey | abrotman: I sure did and it showed no errors |
| 15:52.57 | Roey | abrotman: I don't want to do yes | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:53.06 | abrotman | wussy |
| 15:53.09 | Roey | HA |
| 15:53.18 | Bhavesh | what's the current kernel in testing? |
| 15:53.29 | Roey | Alex |
| 15:53.31 | wols_ | !tell Bhavesh about search |
| 15:53.32 | abrotman | 2.6.16 |
| 15:53.37 | Roey | abrotman: I considered it but then |
| 15:53.54 | Roey | abrotman: then I thought of all the times I said 'n' instead of 'y' or instead of hitting enter. |
| 15:54.07 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:54.43 | daniele_athome | hello |
| 15:55.01 | daniele_athome | i'm making a debian package for a software i'm writing |
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| 15:55.17 | daniele_athome | lintian continues to give me the error about the changelog is not compressed |
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| 15:55.37 | daniele_athome | I don't want to gzip the changelog statically |
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| 15:55.58 | daniele_athome | i mean is there a way for the rules or debhelper to gzip the changelog during the creation of the package? |
| 15:56.04 | Roey | abrotman: there's no more elegant way to do this? |
| 15:56.19 | Bhavesh | i reckon newest kernel in testing is 2.6.8-12 |
| 15:56.34 | wols_ | Bhavesh: no |
| 15:57.09 | abrotman | Roey: if you're just going to hit 'y' for all the bugs ... why bother with apt-listbugs at all |
| 15:57.11 | Bhavesh | duh need to run update first |
| 15:57.22 | Roey | abrotman: I at least want to see them. |
| 15:57.34 | abrotman | daniele_athome: why not compress it ? |
| 15:57.35 | Roey | abrotman: also, I want to see the updates.. apt-listupdates or something? |
| 15:58.05 | abrotman | updates to what? which packages are being installed ? |
| 15:58.06 | wols_ | abrotman: automatically compress on package creation. so he doesn't have to do it manually |
| 15:58.24 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 15:58.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 15:58.48 | daniele_athome | abrotman, because I saw other packages with changelogs not compressed |
| 15:59.00 | Roey | abrotman: there is anohter package which lists the updates whenever you apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:59.05 | Bhavesh | ok what am i missing? how do i find which kernel testing has? i just did apt-cache search ^kernel-image and looked at the highest version |
| 15:59.11 | Roey | abrotman: like apt-listbugs, but it list the updates instead of the bugs. |
| 15:59.11 | abrotman | Roey: apt-get -u dist-upgrade ? |
| 15:59.16 | Roey | what isa -u? |
| 15:59.25 | abrotman | Bhavesh: linux-image |
| 15:59.41 | Bhavesh | u know i feel like an idiot.. and i been using it for 4 years! |
| 15:59.45 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:59.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:59.53 | Roey | abrotman: oh, no |
| 15:59.57 | Roey | abrotman: this package I' |
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| 16:00.11 | Roey | I'm referring to shows you the updates made to the project |
| 16:00.29 | Roey | abrotman: "fixed bug blah-blah-blah" |
| 16:00.29 | Roey | etc. |
| 16:00.55 | abrotman | apt-listchanges ? |
| 16:00.56 | Wyzard | Roey: apt-listchanges |
| 16:00.58 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 16:00.59 | Roey | that's it. |
| 16:01.02 | Roey | thank you Wyzard :) |
| 16:01.06 | Roey | abrotman: haha |
| 16:01.07 | Roey | ok |
| 16:01.09 | Wyzard | Roey: Thank abrotman, he said it first |
| 16:01.11 | abrotman | apt-cache search list changes ... |
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| 16:01.37 | Roey | now, how do I disable prompting for both apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs |
| 16:01.38 | Roey | ? |
| 16:01.38 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 16:02.03 | Roey | what |
| 16:02.05 | Roey | whaaaat. |
| 16:02.11 | Roey | that was why I came in here in thefirst place! |
| 16:02.25 | wols_ | abrotman: see what happens when you enocurage them? *g* |
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| 16:02.48 | abrotman | wols_: yeah yeah |
| 16:02.58 | Bhavesh | YAY |
| 16:03.03 | Bhavesh | i think |
| 16:03.33 | Bhavesh | now i got to reboot.. i think i just installed 2.6.17-2-k7 |
| 16:04.01 | Bhavesh | then i will go and install nvidia drivers |
| 16:04.07 | Bhavesh | i hope things don't crash and burn |
| 16:04.08 | Bhavesh | bbl |
| 16:04.34 | Roey | abrotman: to cheer you up: |
| 16:04.37 | Roey | http://immense-world.blogspot.com/2006/09/mathematics-genius.html |
| 16:04.58 | abrotman | oh .. JERSEY SHORE VACATIONS!!!! |
| 16:05.15 | Roey | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izet8zN1vmE |
| 16:05.16 | Roey | and that. |
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| 16:08.48 | ikonia | !reinstall |
| 16:08.48 | dpkg | [reinstall] COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 16:10.01 | ikonia | ahhh thats better |
| 16:10.02 | ikonia | thank you |
| 16:10.24 | abrotman | !tell ikonia about reinstall |
| 16:10.37 | ikonia | I've just done it, thanks |
| 16:10.55 | abrotman | i was just having the bot tell you on the side .. |
| 16:11.03 | ikonia | ahh thanks |
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| 16:13.39 | talljon84 | Wyzard: I've got firehol working.. very nice. but it's outputing all packets to the console. how do you turn that off? |
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| 16:14.12 | Wyzard | talljon84: Not all packets, just the ones that get rejected... and that's an iptables thing, not specific to firehol |
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| 16:15.13 | Wyzard | talljon84: Well, more accurately, firehol generates iptables rules saying to log the rejected packets, and the kernel's logging mechanism puts them both on the screen and in syslog |
| 16:15.26 | Doe | I have a question about upgraden debian etch intel 32b to etch adm64 ? Is there an howto for that ? Or is there some were other info about this ? |
| 16:15.38 | talljon84 | Wyzard: ok |
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| 16:16.04 | Wyzard | talljon84: If you install the "ulogd" daemon and set FIREHOL_LOG_MODE=ULOG in your firehol.conf, it'll generate ulog rules instead of log rules |
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| 16:16.23 | talljon84 | Wyzard: [dexter voice] suupid dsl router is trying to get tftp files from my router. |
| 16:16.26 | Wyzard | talljon84: You can look up ulog in the iptables manpage, but basically, it logs through a daemon rather than through the kernel so the messages don't appear on the screen |
| 16:17.01 | Wyzard | Doe: You have to reinstall; you can't convert from i386 to amd64 Debian in-place |
| 16:17.07 | Wyzard | seems like a lot of people are asking about that lately |
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| 16:17.29 | Wyzard | Doe: It's not an "upgrade", it's a completely different architecture with a completely different set of packages |
| 16:18.16 | Doe | ty wyzard. I did read on debian.org that in the end of 2006 amd64 will be part of the new etch version wuld it be possible at that time |
| 16:19.36 | Wyzard | Doe: amd64 will be an official part of etch when it's released, so you'll be able to *install* amd64 Debian using official Debian release media |
| 16:19.46 | Wyzard | Doe: not convert an i386 installation in-place to amd64 |
| 16:19.49 | Doe | okies |
| 16:20.02 | Doe | ty AGAIN |
| 16:20.03 | Wyzard | Doe: That's theoretically possible, but very complicated, and I haven't heard of any plans for a tool to do that |
| 16:20.08 | Doe | oops sorry for caps |
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| 16:21.06 | Doe | Wyzard, I heard about automatix (something with todo with the 32bits srcs) |
| 16:21.31 | Wyzard | Doe: Isn't Automatix a script for installing non-free stuff on Ubuntu? |
| 16:21.47 | Wyzard | Doe: I don't think that has anything to do with i386->amd64 conversion |
| 16:21.56 | Doe | could be i just heard about it don't anythign about it i just mentioned it |
| 16:23.11 | Doe | Wyzard, i googled it and i saw a few sites that said first to do the kernel part and after that change your sources.list |
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| 16:24.08 | Wyzard | Doe: sources.list doesn't mention the architecture -- that's already "known" by dpkg -- so I doubt it's possible to put amd64 sources on an i386 system |
| 16:24.40 | Doe | ty ;) |
| 16:24.50 | Wyzard | Doe: but at any rate, what would you do after that? The i386 and amd64 packages, particularly the libraries, are not compatible with each other -- 32-bit binaries can't use 64-bit libraries and vice-versa |
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| 16:25.31 | Wyzard | Doe: Any sort of conversion would necessarily involve replacing 32-bit versions of things with 64-bit versions, and then your system stops working in that intermediate state |
| 16:25.36 | Wyzard | Doe: Just back up your data and reinstall |
| 16:25.45 | Doe | true i think i will wait until the new release of etch and then decide |
| 16:26.07 | Doe | i knew that one as anoption ;) |
| 16:26.14 | Doe | ty ty ;) |
| 16:26.23 | Doe | have a nice day or evening all |
| 16:26.25 | Doe | bye bye |
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| 16:33.31 | clownish | hello once again... my debian boots very long because hwclock takes a long time... where do i have to put 'serialize_io=0' like it says |
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| 16:33.56 | abrotman | to what does that option belong? |
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| 16:35.14 | clownish | abrotman, i dont know, hwclock messages by booting: Try serialize_io=0 for better performance because it takes very long |
| 16:35.46 | abrotman | i guess it's a module optoin ? |
| 16:36.17 | magyar | does debian using kerberos for authentication by default? |
| 16:36.41 | clownish | abrotman, maybe... id dont know.. where do i but modul options |
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| 16:37.13 | abrotman | /etc/modutils/ |
| 16:37.30 | itchi | Using Etch, when i do an upgrade i get some errors about an package mzscheme_1%3a352-4_i386.deb How can i troubleshoot it? |
| 16:38.20 | Wyzard | itchi: What are the errors? |
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| 16:38.27 | Wyzard | magyar: no |
| 16:38.39 | itchi | Wyzard: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 16:38.50 | abrotman | itchi: paste the whole thing |
| 16:38.52 | abrotman | !paster |
| 16:38.52 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 16:39.03 | Wyzard | itchi: That's just the last message; there should be something more informative earlier in the output |
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| 16:39.31 | magyar | Wyzard: roger |
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| 16:39.49 | klork | hullo guys, how do i see which processes occupy largest chunks of physical ram and also how much? |
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| 16:40.07 | abrotman | top |
| 16:40.29 | klork | oks i see but it aint sorting by it |
| 16:41.10 | Wyzard | klork: htop is a bit more pleasant than top, btw, though it has to be installed separately |
| 16:41.11 | abrotman | hit m |
| 16:41.15 | abrotman | atop! |
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| 16:41.46 | itchi | klork: The '?' key can be are interesting |
| 16:42.00 | klork | okey, thanks |
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| 16:43.05 | itchi | Here is the error http://pastebin.ca/174110 |
| 16:43.14 | itchi | Pastebins are slow :-/ |
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| 16:45.11 | abrotman | Stopping web server: mzserver ... start-stop-daemon: stat /usr/lib/plt/bin/mzscheme: No such file or directory (No such file or directory) |
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| 16:45.21 | itchi | yup |
| 16:45.34 | simon23 | can anyone tell me why the package xfonts-base-transcoded has no install candidate ? |
| 16:45.39 | itchi | abrotman: How come that? |
| 16:45.54 | simon23 | (when using etch) |
| 16:46.06 | abrotman | itchi: not my system .. dunno what you did to it |
| 16:46.10 | itchi | abrotman: Just come back of vacations, did the first update, upgrade |
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| 16:47.12 | itchi | But is that normal that filename /var/cache/apt/archives/mzscheme_1%3a352-4_i386.deb ? |
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| 16:48.09 | abrotman | yes |
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| 16:49.19 | itchi | abrotman: Can i not remove that package so that i no more have that error? I have try that with apt and dpkg but it will not work |
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| 16:49.43 | abrotman | itchi: did you read the error ? |
| 16:50.05 | itchi | abrotman: Yes, but i not realy understand then problem |
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| 16:50.26 | abrotman | a file is missing that should be there |
| 16:51.08 | itchi | abrotman: Is it not a bug or so? |
| 16:51.23 | abrotman | might be .. check the bts |
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| 16:51.38 | itchi | abrotman: The computer was off when i was on vacation. So i realy not suspect an cracker |
| 16:52.06 | abrotman | i blame mussolini |
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| 16:54.49 | abrotman | itchi: did you check the bts? |
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| 16:55.55 | itchi | abrotman: Yes, i think there are 3 bugs about it, but i not realy know which one exactly it is |
| 16:56.04 | itchi | abrotman: Using reportbug here |
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| 16:56.17 | abrotman | eh .. is bugs.d.o toasted? |
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| 16:56.46 | itchi | abrotman: I'm on it right now ;-() |
| 16:56.55 | abrotman | simon23: which version of debian? |
| 16:57.00 | ^majik^ | does Debian have nologin for a shell, or is falselogin the same/similar thing? |
| 16:57.03 | abrotman | ok .. guess it just hates me |
| 16:57.09 | abrotman | /bin/false |
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| 16:57.29 | abrotman | there is also /usr/sbin/nologin |
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| 16:57.47 | ^majik^ | I don't have nologin on my system though |
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| 16:57.59 | ^majik^ | its not there |
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| 16:58.10 | simon23 | abrotman: etch |
| 16:58.15 | abrotman | ^majik^: on sarge? |
| 16:58.32 | ^majik^ | abrotman: yeah, believe so. 3.1 stable / sarge |
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| 16:58.57 | abrotman | !why is xfonts-base-transcoded not in testing |
| 16:58.57 | dpkg | xfonts-base-transcoded is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xfonts-base-transcoded |
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| 16:59.16 | abrotman | argh .. it's my damn browser |
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| 17:00.15 | abrotman | or all my dns went to shit |
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| 17:01.53 | ^majik^ | abrotman: ls: /usr/sbin/nologin: No such file or directory - plus, its not in aptitude, atleast with the apt repos I'm using |
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| 17:01.59 | abrotman | use /bin/false then |
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| 17:02.17 | ^majik^ | is it the same thing? or is it a little different? |
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| 17:03.12 | bhavesh | wow |
| 17:03.16 | bhavesh | 667 ppl online? |
| 17:03.29 | ^majik^ | 666 now ;) |
| 17:03.45 | Eclipser | ops don't count! |
| 17:03.47 | bhavesh | hmm |
| 17:03.51 | Bhavesh | oh |
| 17:04.03 | Bhavesh | well mine says 667 nicks 2 ops |
| 17:04.53 | abrotman | ^majik^: different ... |
| 17:05.22 | AciD | is there vlc in etch ? can't find an easy way to install it |
| 17:06.08 | Bhavesh | ok nevermind :) |
| 17:06.11 | Kinks | there are repositories you can find vlc in.. though I don't remember what they are or how to get them out of dpkg |
| 17:06.50 | abrotman | AciD: no |
| 17:06.58 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 17:06.58 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
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| 17:07.23 | AciD | thx |
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| 17:09.25 | abrotman | !why is xfonts-base-transcoded not in testing |
| 17:09.25 | dpkg | xfonts-base-transcoded is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xfonts-base-transcoded |
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| 17:10.03 | superbear | !question: can i do sth. like this in a shell script? |
| 17:10.03 | superbear | echo "sometext" >> file1 && >>file2 |
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| 17:10.39 | superbear | so that sometext will be appended to both files? |
| 17:10.51 | mhall | Stupid question but are their keyboard shortcuts for the synaptic package install/remove/purge options? |
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| 17:11.38 | abrotman | superbear: ask #bash .. but i think you want 'tee' |
| 17:11.52 | wols | put "sometext" into a variable then echo that var out to each file separately |
| 17:12.04 | superbear | ok |
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| 17:13.30 | talljon84 | What's an easy tool for modifying what init scripts run at startup in Debian? |
| 17:13.39 | mhall | superbear: try 2>&1 | tee file1.out > file2.out |
| 17:13.40 | stew | talljon84: rcconf |
| 17:13.52 | mhall | superbear: 2>&1 is if you want both stdout and stderr |
| 17:14.11 | jnc | talljon84: rcconf is user friendly |
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| 17:14.22 | abrotman | talljon84: update-rc.d |
| 17:14.37 | superbear | so i would do: |
| 17:14.37 | superbear | echo "sometext" 2>&1 | tee file1.out > file2.out |
| 17:14.38 | superbear | or what |
| 17:14.52 | pipeline | talljon84: sysv-rc-conf is a very nice gui-based rc editor |
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| 17:15.02 | mhall | superbear: yeah try it on command line |
| 17:15.05 | superbear | kk |
| 17:15.07 | mhall | superbear: but i think it will work |
| 17:15.17 | talljon84 | stew: thanks |
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| 17:16.12 | superbear | mhall: thx it works fine |
| 17:16.23 | cyzie | !ia64 |
| 17:16.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" architecture using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/xeon, it is NOT ia64 |
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| 17:16.52 | pipeline | Speaking of ia64, does the Debian port support non-Itanium2 systems? |
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| 17:17.51 | clownish | mh i want to crypt my home partizion with truecrypt... i read that serpend is the securest algo. but also the sloest... is it too slow for crypting the whol ehome partizion |
| 17:17.55 | abrotman | pipeline: huh ? |
| 17:18.57 | mhall | Supaplex: sweet |
| 17:19.01 | mhall | Supaplex: nm |
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| 17:19.20 | mhall | Itanic is teh b0rk3d. |
| 17:19.28 | Wyzard | clownish: AES is best for disk encryption |
| 17:19.35 | mhall | clownish: What kind of CPU have you got? |
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| 17:19.45 | mhall | clownish: And I'm with Wyzard AES is probably a better choice. |
| 17:19.53 | pipeline | abrotman: Itanium 1, engineering samples etc. |
| 17:19.56 | stojic | hello, how can I pass options to configure script when building from source deb with dpkg-buildpackage? I tried DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--options" dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b but it didn't pass --options to configure script |
| 17:20.00 | pipeline | abrotman: Totally different chipset, roughly the same CPU |
| 17:20.09 | mhall | clownish: Also if you only encrypt the home partition you have essentially no real security. |
| 17:20.19 | superbear | mhall: it works fine with 2>&1 but not with >> |
| 17:20.27 | mhall | clownish: Because people can tamper with your setup utilities and record your encryption keys. |
| 17:20.43 | mhall | superbear: hmm. one sec. |
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| 17:20.53 | mhall | superbear: ok i have got a fix |
| 17:21.01 | superbear | ;-) |
| 17:21.09 | mhall | superbear: echo "sometext" 2>&1 | tee -a file1.out >> file2.out |
| 17:21.15 | Wyzard | clownish: Disk encryption usually uses CBC mode, but with a different IV for each sector -- that way changing something in one place doesn't involve re-encrypting everything else after it on the disk -- but that means that the cipher must be re-initialized for every sector |
| 17:21.20 | superbear | very nice :-) |
| 17:21.21 | superbear | thx |
| 17:21.24 | abrotman | pipeline: the IG doesn't say ? |
| 17:21.25 | mhall | superbear: that should do the job, have to put 'tee' in append mode for file1 |
| 17:21.47 | clownish | mhall, dualcore 1.73 |
| 17:21.47 | pipeline | abrotman: I have no web browser :P |
| 17:21.54 | Wyzard | clownish: AES isn't as fast as some other ciphers at the encryption itself, but it's very fast at initalization, so in this particular use-case it's the most efficient choice |
| 17:22.14 | abrotman | pipeline: links ? |
| 17:22.50 | clownish | mhall, the can do what? sorry i dont understand.. are the key not IN the partizion |
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| 17:22.58 | clownish | Wyzard, thanks |
| 17:23.38 | pipeline | abrotman: Can't install anything. Mounted ro :) |
| 17:23.48 | pipeline | abrotman: as an added bonus, my laptop's power supply just bit a bullet :) |
| 17:23.49 | abrotman | pipeline: unfuck yourself .. then go read :) |
| 17:23.59 | pipeline | abrotman: And I can't buy a new one on ebay -- because I have no web browser! whoopeee! |
| 17:24.10 | abrotman | pipeline: you only have one computer ? |
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| 17:24.18 | mhall | clownish: ok. think about what happens, if somebody modifies the losetup application |
| 17:24.33 | mhall | clownish: the only way to securely encrypt drives is if you encrypt the WHOLE drive |
| 17:24.57 | pipeline | abrotman: Oh, I have a couple of dozen. But my only 13w3 monitor bit the bullet, so I have nothing else with a head :P |
| 17:25.10 | clownish | mhall, so containers are unsecure too? |
| 17:25.31 | mhall | clownish: yeah they are not so useful if somebody can modify the kernel or system utilities |
| 17:25.35 | pipeline | abrotman: Maybe I'll homebrew a 13w3 to hd15 adapter :P |
| 17:25.36 | abrotman | pipeline: get a converter? |
| 17:25.55 | mhall | pipeline: trying to make a sparc work? |
| 17:25.56 | clownish | mhall, and if i but the key file on a usb stick? |
| 17:26.00 | pipeline | abrotman: This whole line of conversation is depressing. |
| 17:26.17 | pipeline | mhall: Well, it works fine. It just doesn't have a monitor at the moment, so it's not much for web browsing. Ditto for the smattering of SGIs :) |
| 17:26.52 | abrotman | pipeline: you sohuld have gotten a converter a long time ago as a backup :) |
| 17:27.21 | pipeline | abrotman: I never needed one. These sony monitors are tanks :P |
| 17:27.32 | abrotman | and dead :) |
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| 17:28.03 | pipeline | abrotman: Cut it some slack. It's circa 1990. It shouldn't have lasted this long :) |
| 17:28.15 | wojci | mhall, How are containers unsecure? |
| 17:28.16 | abrotman | pipeline: so much for being a tank :) |
| 17:28.27 | pipeline | abrotman: fair criticism |
| 17:28.59 | mhall | wojci: what happens when people modify losetup |
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| 17:29.34 | mhall | wojci: you have no security at all with drive encryption unless 100% of the drive is encrypted and the box will not boot without the encrypted drive's passphrase, key, or both |
| 17:29.35 | wojci | mhall, What happends when people modify some of the other utilities used to mount encrypted discs? |
| 17:29.57 | mhall | wojci: exactly, none of these things are secure unless you put the crypto in initrd and do the whole drive |
| 17:30.16 | mhall | wojci: this is what i was trying to explain but the user asked if containers had same problems so i said they did |
| 17:30.30 | wojci | mhall, But that is not secure if someone breaks into your apartment and has physical access to your box. :P |
| 17:31.36 | talljon84 | I did a clean install of asterisk but my SIP phones (cisco) are showing a 403 REG message unsupported error. What's happening? |
| 17:31.45 | clownish | mhall, where does truecrypt store the keyfiles? |
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| 17:32.11 | roxy_ | how do I get libassa not updated ? |
| 17:32.20 | abrotman | !tell roxy_ about hold |
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| 17:32.36 | roxy_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:33.29 | mhall | wojci: actually it is if you do it right |
| 17:33.45 | mhall | clownish: it doesn't matter if somebody changes the crypto utilities |
| 17:34.01 | mhall | wojci: my point is though, most people encrypting drives have very interesting data |
| 17:34.12 | pipeline | talljon84: That sure sounds like your SIP things aren't being set to "friends" in asterisk |
| 17:34.14 | mhall | wojci: and wouldn't want to be vulnerable to such sploits |
| 17:34.25 | pizdets | zangzang |
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| 17:35.31 | scud_ | I installed the latest stable verison of debian. it is loading all sorts of modules I dont need, how do I remove those from starting up when it boots? |
| 17:35.38 | positron_ | where i can get gtk-config? i have installed libgtk1.2 and libgtk1.2-dev but gtk-config didnt show up.. please help. |
| 17:35.49 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 17:35.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 17:36.03 | wojci | positron_, Install the -dev package(s). |
| 17:36.12 | wojci | Oops. |
| 17:36.15 | wojci | You did. |
| 17:36.21 | positron_ | yes |
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| 17:36.54 | wojci | positron_, libgtk1.2-dev: /usr/bin/gtk-config |
| 17:37.15 | Bhavesh | ok.. help |
| 17:37.23 | Bhavesh | nvidia drivers won't compile |
| 17:37.24 | wojci | positron_, I use unstable, but I guess that the location should be the same. |
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| 17:38.10 | stercor | How do I change the clock to my timezone? |
| 17:38.11 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 17:38.11 | mhall | Bhavesh->irc->resetChannel("#nvidia"); |
| 17:38.12 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 17:38.16 | abrotman | stercor: tzconfig |
| 17:38.27 | stercor | Thanks. |
| 17:38.28 | mhall | stercor: tzconfig and ntpdate |
| 17:38.35 | Hoxzer_ | If source of my kernel is not avaible can I just download same version kernel source from www.kernel.org? |
| 17:38.45 | Hoxzer_ | *not avaible in repos |
| 17:38.55 | positron_ | wojci: i have mixed up etch and sarge sources.. |
| 17:39.00 | Bhavesh | mhall: thanks :) |
| 17:39.01 | mhall | !tell Hoxzer_ about kernel-package |
| 17:39.08 | pipeline | Hoxzer_: You need to add a deb-src line to /etc/apt/sources.list if you want to be using the apt-build system. |
| 17:39.15 | pipeline | Hoxzer_: The "kernel-package" path is probably wiser, however. |
| 17:39.28 | pipeline | Hoxzer_: Are you on sarge? You can probably sidestep this whole thing by using backports.org |
| 17:39.31 | mhall | Hoxzer_: kernel package works on kernel.org source to make a debian package of the kernel source you download |
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| 17:40.14 | positron_ | wojci: ok i installed the package from etch sources and it works now. i got gtk-config |
| 17:40.23 | pipeline | positron_: O_O |
| 17:40.30 | pipeline | positron_: gtk-config shouldn't exist anymore |
| 17:40.38 | pipeline | positron_: gtk-config was an application from like, gtk-1.0 days. |
| 17:40.43 | pipeline | positron_: err, not an application, a script |
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| 17:40.59 | wols | Hoxzer_: depends for what you need that source. if you want to compile a module and need it for that, then no you can't. if you want to compile a custom kernel, kernel.org is fine |
| 17:41.03 | positron_ | pipeline: yes but some fluxbox slit programs uses it |
| 17:41.11 | pipeline | positron_: That's pretty fucked up, dude. |
| 17:41.37 | positron_ | pipeline: what is? |
| 17:41.46 | tarzeau | is this dfsg compliant? "+ + + MiniFonts Base! and MiniFonts Timepieces are now completely FREE! + + +? |
| 17:41.54 | abrotman | pipeline: somethings still use it |
| 17:41.55 | wols | a slit app that old that it needs gtk1.2 or so |
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| 17:42.10 | pipeline | abrotman: Nothing SHOULD use it |
| 17:42.19 | abrotman | pipeline: duh :) |
| 17:42.22 | pipeline | wols: gtk-config was already obsolete by the time of GTK 1.2 |
| 17:42.28 | Hoxzer_ | wols: I want to compile a module :( and I cannot apt-src as package is not avaible in repos anymore |
| 17:42.31 | wols | tarzeau: public domain is DFSG compliant no? |
| 17:42.42 | tarzeau | wols: but is completely free, pd? |
| 17:42.43 | abrotman | i still have it on my box :) |
| 17:42.49 | wols | Hoxzer_: you don't need sources for that. what you need are the headers |
| 17:42.57 | pipeline | wols, tarzeau : Ahh, but are the fonts public domain? Are the source files from which the ttfs/otfs are constructed available? ;( |
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| 17:43.14 | Hoxzer_ | wols: ...:O |
| 17:43.24 | tarzeau | pipeline: there never was a requirement of availability of font construction |
| 17:43.25 | wols | tarzeau: if this line above is the only "license" there needs to be at least clarification |
| 17:43.33 | tarzeau | pipeline: if the fonts are pd, they are dfsg compliant |
| 17:43.40 | Hoxzer_ | wols: as I remember reading about lirc module compile :/ it said something about kernel-source |
| 17:43.45 | tarzeau | wols: damn. the font sucks anyways |
| 17:43.59 | wols | Hoxzer_: they lied unless they want to patch the kernel |
| 17:44.10 | Hoxzer_ | :) OH |
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| 17:44.16 | stercor | tzdate is already set to my timezone. Do I need to reboot? |
| 17:44.20 | wols | FREE is just too ambigous |
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| 17:44.30 | Hoxzer_ | well, I'll take a look when I have time |
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| 17:44.48 | wols | stercor: only time you need to reboot are kernel changes, hardware changes and zombie processes |
| 17:45.32 | Bhavesh | should I changed to unstable to see if nvidia compiles? |
| 17:45.40 | abrotman | no |
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| 17:45.43 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 17:45.43 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. But you can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 17:45.51 | tarzeau | Bhavesh: it works for me in sid and stable |
| 17:45.54 | stercor | My timezone is EDT; the computer thinks it's Central European time. |
| 17:46.11 | Bhavesh | i am doing something wrong i am using testing and nvidia wont compile |
| 17:46.31 | abrotman | stercor: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS |
| 17:46.38 | wols | Bhavesh: there is no "nvidia" aka nvidia-glx in testing |
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| 17:46.49 | abrotman | !tell Bhavesh about etch nvidia |
| 17:47.23 | Bhavesh | duh |
| 17:47.39 | Bhavesh | abrotman: u told me that twice.. *I* should have read the first time |
| 17:47.51 | mhall | stercor: tzconfig |
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| 17:47.53 | abrotman | !u |
| 17:47.53 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:48.12 | Bhavesh | abrotman: *YOU* told me that twice.. *I* should have read the first time |
| 17:48.21 | abrotman | thank you :) |
| 17:48.26 | Bhavesh | sorry my mistake |
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| 17:48.41 | Bhavesh | is it normal for it to high lite words between *'s? |
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| 17:48.58 | MatBoy | wow, the Nvidia-driver is driving me almost crazy ! |
| 17:49.07 | abrotman | Bhavesh: depends on the irc client |
| 17:49.19 | Bhavesh | so how bad is sid? i used to have problems with sid crashing but then i found that it was not the program it was the Via chipsets |
| 17:49.46 | Bhavesh | this one *touch wood* has NForce2 chipset and so far in two months of debian/testing and no problem |
| 17:49.54 | Bhavesh | abrotman: i am using irssii.. i like this client |
| 17:50.19 | stercor | In the best of all worlds, my hw clock would be set to UTC and the display time be local time. |
| 17:50.20 | Bhavesh | is it irssi? or irsii? or something |
| 17:50.34 | Bhavesh | MatBoy: welcome to the club.. i am trying to get nvidia working |
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| 17:50.54 | MatBoy | Bhavesh, nice !! it works here, but hangs sometimes |
| 17:51.17 | abrotman | Bhavesh: many do |
| 17:51.56 | dvs | !beer tuv |
| 17:51.59 | pipeline | tuv: NO problems? o_0 |
| 17:52.03 | MatBoy | tuv, My last install was also OK :) |
| 17:52.12 | mhall | Bhavesh: via can be flaky |
| 17:52.16 | pipeline | MatBoy, Bhavesh : First step: Are you using a debian packaged kernel? |
| 17:52.23 | mhall | Bhavesh: I have an nf4 Pro board now though; no problems. |
| 17:52.24 | MatBoy | tuv, But you never upgrade the nvidia driver than ? |
| 17:52.24 | Bhavesh | tuv: i think my problem was nvidia chipset.. which kept it locking up i got another M/B with NForce2 chipset and 8X AGP with 6600GT and it's been stable |
| 17:52.41 | MatBoy | pipeline, kernel-image |
| 17:52.48 | tuv | MatBoy, i do. using 8762 now |
| 17:52.51 | pipeline | MatBoy: You made it yourself? |
| 17:52.56 | wols | mhall: s/can be/is/ :) |
| 17:52.57 | valdyn | Bhavesh: more likely just overheating |
| 17:53.00 | pipeline | MatBoy: I don't really want to go down this road, in that case :( |
| 17:53.05 | MatBoy | pipeline, nope... apt-gget installed it ? Why ? APIC ? |
| 17:53.15 | Bhavesh | valdyn: at one point i had 3 fans in the case.. and it did not help |
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| 17:53.35 | pipeline | MatBoy: Oh, apt-get installed it? That's different. It should "just work" then. Next question: How did you build the nvidia driver? I would recommend automating it with module-assistant... |
| 17:53.38 | itchi | On my Etch box i get some errors http://pastebin.ca/174110 when i do an upgrade. How can i solve this? |
| 17:53.58 | Bhavesh | i am at bottom of the technology i just 'upgraded' my system to Athlon XP 2000+ with FIC AU13/mb with 1GB memory |
| 17:54.00 | MatBoy | pipeline, I used the oneliner here, so that uses m-a |
| 17:54.20 | pipeline | MatBoy: And what does it do instead of working? |
| 17:54.35 | Bhavesh | for the most time i have been compiling my own kernel and getting source drivers from nvidia |
| 17:54.45 | pipeline | Bhavesh: Heh, I'm in the same boat. Until a few days ago, I had 2x1.2 + NV20. Now I have 2x1.6 + NV44 :) |
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| 17:54.50 | MatBoy | pipeline, it works, very well... but locks sometimes... I think it;s OpenGL that gives problems... |
| 17:55.07 | Bhavesh | pipeline: before the big expense of 6600GT i had a TNT2 32MB :) |
| 17:55.08 | Francisco | anybody does QT on debian? |
| 17:55.13 | pipeline | MatBoy: Oh, that doesn't sound like a driver problem. |
| 17:55.19 | pipeline | Bhavesh: Ok, that's a little older than NV20 :) |
| 17:55.24 | wols | itchi: have you tried to force-remove the offending package with dpkg? |
| 17:55.28 | valdyn | Francisco: ask a real question |
| 17:55.28 | MatBoy | pipeline, it depends |
| 17:55.30 | valdyn | !popcon |
| 17:55.30 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:55.42 | itchi | wols: Not yet try that, gona try it now |
| 17:55.44 | pipeline | MatBoy: Tried disabling Xrender? Disabled the composite extension? |
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| 17:56.01 | MatBoy | pipeline, yep... I'm going to again :) |
| 17:56.17 | pipeline | MatBoy: Are you using a kernel framebuffer? |
| 17:56.19 | Bhavesh | pipeline: before i got the new m/b i had nothing but problems with nvidia.. after that i just have pretty much default x.org and it works |
| 17:56.28 | MatBoy | pipeline, nope |
| 17:56.36 | wols | Bhavesh: what brand was the old board? |
| 17:56.37 | pipeline | Bhavesh: Uh, I can't say I've ever had that experience. Of course, I've never bought weirdo ricer motherboards, either. |
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| 17:56.47 | pipeline | Bhavesh: I pretty much only buy Tyan, Supermicro, Intel... |
| 17:56.48 | Bhavesh | wols: it was Asus m/b with Via chipset |
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| 17:56.55 | pipeline | Asus ;_; |
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| 17:57.01 | Francisco | ok, what env variables does one have to set in order to compile Qt apps??? |
| 17:57.15 | pipeline | Francisco: well, first off, you have to have the appropriate "-dev" packages. |
| 17:57.21 | Bhavesh | and i tried another m/b with in same model famliy same problem with X getting locked up |
| 17:57.28 | Wyzard | I have some problems with an nVidia 6200 on an Asus A7V motherboard, but it had no problems with my old Geforce2 |
| 17:57.29 | wols | Francisco: what is the error you get? |
| 17:57.29 | Francisco | pipeline: i believe i do |
| 17:57.30 | tuv | asus m/b shouldn't be bad |
| 17:57.32 | pipeline | Francisco: What Qt app are you trying to build? The easiest way to do this is to do "apt-get build-dep <some qt app that has similar dependencies>" |
| 17:57.34 | MatBoy | pipeline, should I use the Kernel Frmaebuffer ? |
| 17:57.41 | Wyzard | I blame the current problems on the fact that I'm using an AGP 8x card in a 4x slot |
| 17:57.41 | pipeline | MatBoy: hell no; the kernel framebuffer is satanic |
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| 17:57.41 | MatBoy | *framebuffer |
| 17:57.49 | pipeline | Wyzard: If it works at all, it should work perfectly. |
| 17:57.50 | MatBoy | pipeline, I already thought so :) |
| 17:57.54 | Bhavesh | tuv: it wasn't necessarily the m/b.. but i think i have heard Via has problems with linux at leat for me that's what it was |
| 17:57.59 | pipeline | Wyzard: The card has to be designed with that compatibility in mind. If it boots, it should work fine. |
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| 17:58.11 | dan2 | this is unquestionably the best eagles game ever |
| 17:58.12 | pipeline | MatBoy: I'm afraid I have no more tips :( |
| 17:58.13 | Bhavesh | i actually like Asus m/b's they are my first choise after them is MSI |
| 17:58.16 | MatBoy | pipeline, disable composite ? |
| 17:58.20 | wols | Bhavesh: via has and had problems with every OS |
| 17:58.21 | Wyzard | pipeline: It works fine for the most part, but I get occasional visual glitches and (very occasional) X lockups |
| 17:58.21 | Francisco | pipeline: i'm simply trying to compile a hello.cpp from a tutorial |
| 17:58.36 | pipeline | Wyzard: That sure does sound like heat. |
| 17:58.39 | wols | Francisco: what is the error(s) you get? |
| 17:58.40 | MatBoy | pipeline, I will post my xorg.conf in #flood ok ? |
| 17:58.45 | tuv | Bhavesh, yeah.. chipsets are critical. an ati chipset on a laptop caused me a lot of trouble at first |
| 17:58.46 | Bhavesh | wols: well then i am glad i switched to this FIC m/b.. picked it up from a local computer store for $30 brand new in a box :) |
| 17:58.47 | Francisco | pipeline: my guess is that it can't fing the headers |
| 17:58.49 | pipeline | MatBoy: Composite should be disabled by default, so unless you explicitly enabled it, it should already be disabled. |
| 17:58.58 | Francisco | find*** |
| 17:59.03 | mhall | wols: well i had some via boards that weren't but most were |
| 17:59.14 | pipeline | MatBoy: On the same note, AGP "fast writes" and sideband addressing should be disabled. (disabled by default, but you might have fucked around with the BIOS or xorg.conf...) |
| 17:59.15 | Wyzard | pipeline: That's a possibility, I guess... I have another 6200 from a different vendor and I get many more X lockups with that one in the same system |
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| 17:59.28 | pipeline | Wyzard: Visual "glitches" are usually a heat issue :P |
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| 17:59.58 | MatBoy | pipeline, it worked perfectly with the same configfile before... I only have changed the fonts-shit because I was testing something with the font-errors |
| 18:00.04 | Bhavesh | of course i had to buy a new 19" monitor when i bought my new video card.. the old one was almost 10 yrs old and it was dying :) |
| 18:00.09 | MatBoy | pipeline, #flood |
| 18:00.14 | pipeline | Wyzard: Or a power issue. (Which is the other side of the same coin. Not enough electricity = weird timing issues as voltage fluctuates) |
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| 18:00.27 | Wyzard | pipeline: but I had another system that had problems with massive visual glitches in 3D mode, using that other 6200 I mentioned, and I solved that by replacing the cheap PCChips motherboard with a decent Gigabyte one |
| 18:00.44 | dvs | pipeline: I get "red snow" whenever I start up my computer with my Gigabyte Radeon 9600 Pro card |
| 18:00.50 | pipeline | Wyzard: Ugh, gigabyte and pcchips are both brands on my shitlist. |
| 18:00.59 | pipeline | Wyzard: I just wouldn't know about that. |
| 18:01.15 | pipeline | MatBoy: holy fuck is that pasting slow |
| 18:01.15 | Wyzard | pipeline: I'm thinking power -- someone told me that AGP 8x can provide more power than 4x, and it may be that this 8x card is needing more power than my 4x-only motherboard can provide to it |
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| 18:01.41 | pipeline | Wyzard: The problem with that hypothesis being that most cards have external power connectors. |
| 18:01.41 | pipeline | Wyzard: it shouldn't be drawing excessively on the AGP slot. |
| 18:01.41 | Wyzard | pipeline: Not my 6200s |
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| 18:01.48 | ^majik^ | the gigabyte boards we used at work are doing great, but I have heard a thing or two about them |
| 18:01.50 | pipeline | Wyzard: AGP slots can spit out some unholy current levels anyway |
| 18:01.57 | itchi | wols: How need i to use that --force option? Like noted in 'man dpkg' ... to be used by experts only ... |
| 18:02.05 | pipeline | ^majik^: Gigabyte is the same taiwanese bullshit as asus, epox etc. Shady, shady folks. |
| 18:02.08 | tuv | Wyzard, agp is backward compatible. if the board is 4x the card should work as 4x only |
| 18:02.16 | pipeline | tuv: Err, no, no it's not. |
| 18:02.20 | daveb | i am trying to debug why my video does not come back on from suspend to ram. It appears to suspend correctly from /var/log/suspend2ram.log |
| 18:02.25 | Wyzard | pipeline: Gigabyte seems like an OK brand to me, but at any rate, just about anything is better than a $30 PCChips board (also 4X-only) that I bought specifically because it was the cheapest thing on newegg at the time :-) |
| 18:02.25 | pipeline | tuv: 8x uses different voltage levels and signalling than 4x. |
| 18:02.32 | pipeline | tuv: Some 8x cards will just burn out in a 4x slot. |
| 18:02.33 | wols | itchi: dpkg --force-help |
| 18:02.41 | daveb | look at /etc/defaults/acpi-support |
| 18:02.57 | pipeline | Wyzard: 8x versus 4x can't possibly be your problem. Like I said, if the card wasn't designed with 4x in mind, it wouldn't work at all. |
| 18:02.57 | daveb | SAVE_VBE_STATE=true |
| 18:03.07 | wols | pipeline: agp is backwards compatible |
| 18:03.09 | itchi | wols: Yup, that i did also :-/ But not realy sure if i need to do 'dpkg -r --force-reinstreq mzscheme_1%3a352-4_i386.deb' |
| 18:03.09 | daveb | POST_VIDEO=true |
| 18:03.15 | daveb | USE_DPMS=true |
| 18:03.24 | pipeline | MatBoy: uhhh, "Option Composite "true"" should be "false" :P |
| 18:03.25 | daveb | it does not appear to show anything in the log about resuming. |
| 18:03.28 | daveb | where can I heck? |
| 18:03.29 | Bhavesh | how does Dynamic MMap ran out of room? |
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| 18:03.47 | Wyzard | pipeline: Well, an overheating video card wouldn't explain problems resolved by replacing a motherboard |
| 18:03.50 | pipeline | MatBoy: Also, multi-monitor support is a common problem. |
| 18:03.55 | ArkoldThos | :S im having a problem with mysql-server and when it say failed dont give any hint or error log |
| 18:04.01 | pipeline | Wyzard: no, but power certainly would. |
| 18:04.08 | pipeline | Wyzard: Cheap motherboards can have weird ways of distributing power. |
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| 18:04.15 | Wyzard | pipeline: and of my two 6200s, the one that hangs X a lot in this box (with the Asus motherboard) works fine in the other box (with the Gigabyte board) |
| 18:04.20 | pipeline | MatBoy: Option RenderAccel should also be false. |
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| 18:04.30 | pipeline | MatBoy: The two things I suggested you turn off, are turned on :P |
| 18:04.32 | Bhavesh | hmm Asus m/b with VIA chipset? |
| 18:04.43 | Wyzard | Asus A7V, VIA KT133 chipset |
| 18:05.02 | Wyzard | It's a bit old (the processor I have on it is an 800MHz Thunderbird) but it was top-of-the-line when I bought it six years ago |
| 18:05.16 | Bhavesh | wow |
| 18:05.26 | Bhavesh | that's the SAME m/b i had nothing but problems |
| 18:05.37 | Bhavesh | Wyzard: sounds like your setup is exactly ( or almost) like mine |
| 18:05.48 | pipeline | KT100/KT133 were infamously poorly designed. |
| 18:05.49 | Bhavesh | 800Mhz Tbird with 512MB ram |
| 18:06.02 | Bhavesh | does it happend to have built in Promise ATA100 ctrl? |
| 18:06.08 | wols | itchi: I don't think it would help. edit the .postrm file for your mzscheme in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ instead |
| 18:06.18 | wols | that's where probably the error lies |
| 18:06.20 | Bhavesh | and i also tried A7V/133 |
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| 18:06.26 | MatBoy | pipeline, it's there :) |
| 18:06.28 | MatBoy | pipeline, slow ? |
| 18:06.32 | MatBoy | pipeline, fast here |
| 18:06.33 | pipeline | MatBoy: Huh? |
| 18:06.34 | MatBoy | pipeline, channel slow there ? |
| 18:06.36 | MatBoy | pipeline, yes yes :) I was testing with the difference between those lines there :D |
| 18:06.38 | MatBoy | pipeline, how do you mean ? |
| 18:06.39 | Bhavesh | pipeline: trust me i learned my lessons |
| 18:06.40 | MatBoy | pipeline, I'm fast with # :) |
| 18:06.42 | MatBoy | pipeline, for the rest it's OK ? |
| 18:06.48 | MatBoy | pipeline, the file !!! |
| 18:06.48 | pipeline | MatBoy: The paste took about five minutes to print out. |
| 18:06.59 | Bhavesh | i was almost going to spend $500 on new mb/ memory and a dual core athlon processor |
| 18:07.02 | MatBoy | pipeline, dam ! |
| 18:07.04 | MatBoy | damn |
| 18:07.10 | Bhavesh | instead i decided to spend $30 on a new m/b and i am happy :) |
| 18:07.21 | Wyzard | pipeline: It works well enough for me... before I replaced the Geforce2 with a 6200, I had no problems with it |
| 18:07.28 | pipeline | Wyzard: :( :(:( |
| 18:07.30 | MatBoy | Bhavesh, buy a P4 HT 3,2 Ghz... they are cheap now :) |
| 18:07.34 | pipeline | Bhavesh: You should have. |
| 18:07.38 | pipeline | Bhavesh: Single processor is for chumps |
| 18:07.38 | itchi | wols: Gona look to there, thank you ;-) |
| 18:07.42 | MatBoy | and fast enought for Linux |
| 18:07.43 | pipeline | Bhavesh: Once you go SMP, you'll never go back. |
| 18:07.52 | Wyzard | pipeline: I'd replace the board now, but I'm going to be building a whole new system within the next month and this one will just be a fileserver or something, so I'm not too concerned about it |
| 18:07.55 | pipeline | Bhavesh: I bought an SMP system for dickwaving purposes, only to discover that it was much, much, much, much more useful than I had expected to be. |
| 18:07.56 | abrotman | pipeline: you don't even have a monitor |
| 18:07.58 | Bhavesh | pipeline: well we just had a baby he is 2 months old.. so had to watch out where is pend the money |
| 18:08.03 | wols | pipeline: depends on the pricetag for the system after SMP :) |
| 18:08.05 | pipeline | abrotman: Monitors are overrated :P |
| 18:08.14 | pipeline | wols: Does it? Pentium D is pretty cheap nowadays :P |
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| 18:08.28 | pipeline | Bhavesh: oh, so you won't be getting any cool electronic toys for, oh, eighteen to twenty years. |
| 18:08.33 | Bhavesh | pipeline: well i have two smp machines i bought some old m/b off ebay, one running linux dual PIII/866 and Windows 2k running Dual PIII @ 1GHZ /each |
| 18:08.47 | MatBoy | pipeline, P4 HT works also very good and is half the price of a Pentium D :) |
| 18:08.47 | wols | pipeline: cause it's a firesale. intel won't keep their CPUs so cheap for foreevr... |
| 18:08.50 | pipeline | Bhavesh: Hey, a dual P3 1.0 GHz ain't too shabby. |
| 18:08.56 | tuv | SMP boards are expensive |
| 18:08.59 | unix_infidel | Bhavesh: how much? |
| 18:08.59 | pipeline | MatBoy: No. No it doesn't. It's totally different and unpleasant. |
| 18:09.15 | mhall | pipeline: useful for which |
| 18:09.17 | pipeline | MatBoy: I would rather have the 2x1.0 than a P4 3.0 HT :P |
| 18:09.20 | Bhavesh | pipeline: you got that right :) but my main use for this ws is check email, surf web and let wife keep up with some business stuff |
| 18:09.21 | wols | MatBoy: HT is no SMP no matter what intel tells you |
| 18:09.24 | pipeline | mhall: interactive use. |
| 18:09.33 | MatBoy | pipeline, not if you have a motherboard that can hold it and is very good... you better can buy a C2D in some weeks |
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| 18:09.37 | mhall | pipeline: ... ? |
| 18:09.43 | Bhavesh | unix_infidel: well i got lucky one i picked up dial PIII/866 with 512MB memory i think was for like $150 or so |
| 18:09.43 | pipeline | MatBoy: that sentence made no sense to me |
| 18:09.47 | MatBoy | wols, I don't say that HT is SMP ;) |
| 18:09.49 | pipeline | mhall: SMP is nice for interactive use. |
| 18:10.00 | pipeline | Bhavesh: I think you got ripped off on that one. |
| 18:10.01 | mhall | pipeline: what kind of interactive use? pr0n? |
| 18:10.03 | MatBoy | pipeline, on a workstation you don;t need the C2D |
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| 18:10.19 | pipeline | Bhavesh: You can buy an entire 1U with 2x866 for ~100$ nowadays :P |
| 18:10.22 | MatBoy | be right back :) |
| 18:10.23 | pipeline | MatBoy: What the heck is C2D? |
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| 18:10.34 | wols | pipeline: core2duo |
| 18:10.34 | Bhavesh | pipeline: well i bought two so i can't remember which one was which.. one i paid next to nothing and other i paid $150 including shipping |
| 18:10.35 | pipeline | mhall: Yes. My porn watching reqires high throughput and known latency. |
| 18:10.40 | wols | aka conroe |
| 18:10.43 | MatBoy | pipeline, if you don;t know that... don't discuss about it than that it's better ;) |
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| 18:10.47 | pipeline | Bhavesh: oh, so it IS a complete system. |
| 18:11.08 | Bhavesh | pipeline: well no m/b and processor/memory/heat sink/ i had the case/powersupply etc |
| 18:11.25 | MatBoy | I'm waiting for the C4D :D |
| 18:11.27 | pipeline | MatBoy: Err, no, I don't know the abbreviations used by PC enthusiasts. What a goddamn surprise, I work with "enterprise" hardware all day. (i.e. hardware that's horrendously overpriced and underpowered.) |
| 18:11.50 | MatBoy | pipeline, yes, I own also Compaq, HP, Foundry... you name it |
| 18:12.11 | MatBoy | pipeline, but I know.. a workstation is not that much of using load |
| 18:12.13 | Bhavesh | pipeline: come to think of it.. i have enterprise class hardware at home :).. at my work, one of the 'server' we use is dual PIII @1Ghz with 1GB memory |
| 18:12.20 | pipeline | MatBoy: Err, I mean Sun, HP, EMC, Unisys :P |
| 18:12.32 | pipeline | MatBoy: Protip: If it has an x86 in it, it's considered a toy. |
| 18:12.43 | MatBoy | pipeline, I have sun too :) |
| 18:12.56 | Bhavesh | oh i have sun spark station 10 can't power up.. need video card |
| 18:12.57 | pipeline | MatBoy: If it's vastly more powerful and costs 1/3rd as much, it's still a toy, because it's a PC, you see. Magically the x86 processor makes it suck. |
| 18:13.07 | pipeline | Bhavesh: heh, you don't need a video card in an SS10, dude. |
| 18:13.17 | pipeline | Bhavesh: Sun hasn't made a system that required a video card since like, 1991. |
| 18:13.23 | MatBoy | pipeline, that depends on the usage |
| 18:13.25 | Bhavesh | pipeline: i don't have any experience so i don't know where to start |
| 18:13.31 | wols | pipeline: what about Sun Opteron boxes? :) |
| 18:13.36 | MatBoy | pipeline, you think you hosted websites are running on Sun these days ?? :p |
| 18:13.36 | mhall | pipeline: but honestly what kind of legit stuff is it useful for |
| 18:13.38 | pipeline | wols: They don't require a video card. |
| 18:13.47 | mhall | wols: dude those are meant to be servers --> serial console |
| 18:13.50 | pipeline | MatBoy: I obviously do not agree with my employers :P |
| 18:13.52 | wols | and I dunno when did Unisys last make something without x86 CPUs? |
| 18:13.53 | mhall | wols: it's built into sun's firmware |
| 18:13.55 | pipeline | Bhavesh: You plug a terminal into the serial port. |
| 18:14.04 | pipeline | wols: Late eighties. |
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| 18:14.11 | MatBoy | pipeline, ah... sounds familair :p |
| 18:14.14 | guychi | Hi. How can I set 4 local direcetories to automatically sync whenever I add or edit a file in any one of them? |
| 18:14.14 | MatBoy | be right back ! |
| 18:14.21 | Bhavesh | pipeline: no terminal.. i guess i can use a null modem cable to hookup my computer to it |
| 18:14.25 | magyar | how can i make the krb5-ftpd server to work in debian etch. There is no documentation nor man pages |
| 18:14.26 | pipeline | MatBoy: Err, rather, my customers. My employers are all about replacing overpriced crap with x8. |
| 18:14.28 | Bhavesh | and use something like minicom |
| 18:14.29 | pipeline | Bhavesh: Yes. |
| 18:14.34 | pipeline | Bhavesh: It's probably just 9600 8n1 |
| 18:14.51 | pipeline | Bhavesh: Just don't disconnect the serial cable while it's turned on. |
| 18:15.08 | Bhavesh | got it.. have to leave for a few.. son is waking up and i am sure he is HUNGRY :) |
| 18:15.11 | Bhavesh | bbl |
| 18:15.26 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:15.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 18:17.17 | dan2 | !eagles |
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| 18:17.35 | urz | is there a way to build from source, just one of a group of binary packages generated from a single source package? |
| 18:17.54 | dan2 | no |
| 18:18.00 | dan2 | you'll build all the packages for a source package |
| 18:18.02 | urz | i want to apply a patch to my x driver |
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| 18:18.22 | urz | so i have to build all of xfree86 ? |
| 18:18.24 | talljon84 | Wyzard: I'm having a little difficulty with FireHOL. Are you still around to lend a hand? |
| 18:18.30 | Wyzard | talljon84: I'm here |
| 18:18.48 | MatBoy | urz, use Xorg |
| 18:18.59 | urz | MatBoy: why? |
| 18:19.06 | urz | will that help me |
| 18:19.15 | dan2 | !football |
| 18:19.15 | dpkg | somebody said football was the worlds most popular sport, also called soccer |
| 18:19.19 | dan2 | grr |
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| 18:19.28 | urz | does xorg split the packages up nicer? |
| 18:19.32 | dan2 | dpkg: no, football is the greatest sport in the world and it's primarily played in the USA |
| 18:19.32 | dpkg | okay, dan2 |
| 18:19.33 | abrotman | MatBoy: why would xorg help? |
| 18:19.43 | talljon84 | Wyzard: I have configured it according to the firehol.sourceforge.net site. One of the protocols I need is SIP which it says it recognizes so I added "server sip accept" into the file under the LAN interface; however, when I start the service, it starts scrolling packets across the console that it has rejected with the SIP ports (5060)... What did I miss? |
| 18:19.50 | dvs | Dan2: like FIFA? |
| 18:19.58 | dan2 | dvs: grrrrr |
| 18:20.02 | dvs | ;-) |
| 18:20.07 | dan2 | dvs: they call it a pigskin for a reason |
| 18:20.12 | abrotman | dvs: he's being silly .. american football sucks |
| 18:20.23 | dan2 | abrotman: american football is supreme |
| 18:20.23 | abrotman | wussies have pads |
| 18:20.28 | dan2 | abrotman: the eagles have been kicking ass all game |
| 18:20.40 | abrotman | darn |
| 18:20.42 | mhall | abrotman: it's the world's most profitable pro sport; therefore it must be the best |
| 18:20.49 | dan2 | abrotman: soccer is a vagina sport |
| 18:20.55 | dvs | !pal mhall |
| 18:21.02 | abrotman | dan2: you don't even know what that means |
| 18:21.07 | wols | mhall: more profitable than soccer? |
| 18:21.14 | abrotman | mhall: or the screw their fanbase ... |
| 18:21.37 | abrotman | and i wouldn't exactly call 14-7 kicking ass |
| 18:21.42 | Wyzard | talljon84: You're running a SIP server on your router? |
| 18:21.44 | dan2 | abrotman: you're a pos |
| 18:21.51 | dan2 | abrotman: watch the defense |
| 18:21.55 | urz | i have the same problem as this guy: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2005/06/msg00355.html |
| 18:21.56 | dan2 | abrotman: they had 3 sacks in a row earlier |
| 18:21.56 | abrotman | maybe .. but i'm probably a better QB than mcnabb :) |
| 18:21.57 | talljon84 | Wyzard: Yes. It runs Asterisk |
| 18:22.03 | itchi | wols: I not realy know what i need to do for that package. I just need to trash that crap. Like i have nothings remove, just did an upgrade, i'm sure it must be are an bug |
| 18:22.13 | mhall | wols: yeah i think it's the most profitable of every sports league. |
| 18:22.17 | mhall | dvs: YHBT YHL HAND |
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| 18:22.45 | urz | seems all i have to do is remove 044_chips_default_to_noaccel_on_69k.diff and rebuild the package, but that would mean rebuilding all of X i guess |
| 18:22.48 | pipeline | is there any way I can measure the number of megabytes seeked on a block device? |
| 18:22.48 | Wyzard | talljon84: And you see packets being rejected when you launch Asterisk? Or when you try to make a call from another machine on the network? |
| 18:23.32 | wols | pipeline: seeked? |
| 18:23.36 | talljon84 | Wyzard: Asterisk is already running, I see the rejected packets as soon as I bring FireHOL up... packets the server is trying to send out to SIP devices on the LAN. |
| 18:23.52 | pipeline | wols: Sounds crazy, doesn't it? I want to monitor seek() calls and their arguments :P |
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| 18:24.17 | wols | that IS crazy |
| 18:24.19 | wols | strace |
| 18:24.35 | pipeline | strace would break my balls, I think |
| 18:24.35 | pipeline | I think I'll just abandon this mad plan |
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| 18:24.47 | wols | if it's always fseek: "custom" libc6 :) |
| 18:24.49 | scud_ | I have a a hard drive that debian sees a /dev/hdj and probed it that way but there is not /dev/hdj, what should i do? |
| 18:24.49 | Wyzard | talljon84: Do you have "client all accept" on your LAN interface? |
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| 18:25.28 | urz | is xorg backported to stable? |
| 18:25.37 | mhall | scud_: this question does not make sense |
| 18:25.43 | urz | i run stable + backports |
| 18:25.53 | abrotman | at backports.org it is |
| 18:25.55 | mhall | scud_: the hd* devices are determined by the controller on which the drive's located |
| 18:26.05 | talljon84 | Wyzard: no, the tutorial mentioned that it was needed on the WAN interface but didn't say anything about the LAN interface. I thought that was a little odd so I did add "client sip accept" but that didn't fix it. |
| 18:26.09 | mhall | scud_: so you can have a machine which skips hd devices |
| 18:26.27 | scud_ | mhall: i have 4 hard drives. when i look in the dmesg output. i see them assigned to hda, hdf, hdh, and hdj |
| 18:26.32 | pipeline | urz: you probably don't want xorg |
| 18:26.34 | scud_ | but when i look in /dev there is no hdj |
| 18:26.39 | pipeline | urz: many, many, many regressions. |
| 18:26.47 | pipeline | urz: if it works at all with 4.3, let well enough alone :( |
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| 18:26.52 | wols | scud_: cd /dev;MAKEDEV hdj |
| 18:26.58 | dvs | scud_: is there an /dev/hdi? |
| 18:26.58 | Wyzard | talljon84: "client all accept" is what says the firewall is allowed to initiate connections freely to other things on your LAN... you'll probably want to use that regardless |
| 18:27.05 | scud_ | no dhi |
| 18:27.11 | scud_ | err hdi |
| 18:27.21 | dvs | scud_: Yeah, it's just the way the /dev/ entries are created. |
| 18:27.23 | scud_ | just hda through hdh |
| 18:27.29 | scud_ | cool thanks |
| 18:27.34 | Wyzard | talljon84: "client sip accept" would set up rules to allow connections to SIP servers elsewhere, but I don't know much about SIP so I don't know if it would also cover connecting to SIP *clients* -- maybe they use a different port or something |
| 18:27.58 | Wyzard | talljon84: Take a closer look at the log messages to see what exactly Asterisk is trying to do |
| 18:28.06 | scud_ | wols: that worked!!! thank you, you guys rock! |
| 18:28.07 | talljon84 | Wyzard: the message indicated it was trying to use port 5060 but lemme try that and see if it works. |
| 18:28.17 | dan2 | SACK!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 18:29.03 | tarzeau | HODEN!!!!!!! |
| 18:29.14 | wols | tarzeau: !de |
| 18:29.16 | dvs | SLAPSHOT!!!! |
| 18:29.19 | tarzeau | wols: tell dan2 |
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| 18:29.33 | Wyzard | talljon84: 5060 as the destination port, on the SIP devices? |
| 18:29.35 | mhall | tarzeau: :-D |
| 18:30.05 | tarzeau | mhall: hey did you try bloboats? |
| 18:30.20 | urz | pipeline: that puts me back at rebuilding all of xfree just so i can take out a patch debian shouldnt have included in the first place |
| 18:30.23 | wols | tarzeau: he's a merkin football jock. Overtly masculine jackassness and homophobia to avoid uneasiness about their own homosexual side are allowed for them. You should know better |
| 18:30.42 | talljon84 | Wyzard: yes |
| 18:30.58 | mhall | tarzeau: no what's is it |
| 18:31.10 | tarzeau | mhall: best game ever (of course no debian package): http://bloboats.dy.fi/ |
| 18:31.11 | wols | urz: quick+dirty: compile the driver, copy it at the right place and forget it.... |
| 18:31.13 | pipeline | urz: well, that's actually rather easy to do. |
| 18:31.20 | pipeline | urz: apt-get source xserver-xfree86 ... |
| 18:31.27 | pipeline | urz: debian/rules |
| 18:31.27 | tarzeau | mhall: an elastic plastic boat |
| 18:31.41 | tarzeau | mhall: you have to rescue your friend boat from the evil invaders and tentacle monsters |
| 18:32.02 | TheRealNecato1 | Trying to get mgetty recieve faxes: http://rafb.net/paste/results/VkdY3K33.html ,yet fax and modem are not really connecting. 'ATI' gives me: TP560 Data/Fax/Voice 56K Modem |
| 18:32.16 | Eclipser | tarzeau, friend of mine did that, I was supposed to make music for it but I didn't have the time >.>; |
| 18:32.23 | Wyzard | talljon84: That seems kinda strange to me, then, since SIP clients are (apparently) no different from SIP as far as the network is concerned... but try "client all accept", since it's something you probably want to have anyway |
| 18:32.36 | urz | pipeline: i know that stuff, but xserver-xfree86 is one package that is build from the same source as the whole xfree86 ssystem and it will take a very long time to do all that |
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| 18:32.39 | tarzeau | Eclipser: makeghost? |
| 18:32.45 | Eclipser | yep |
| 18:32.50 | tarzeau | Eclipser: i know him too :) |
| 18:32.56 | Eclipser | irl? |
| 18:33.00 | tarzeau | Eclipser: pity no |
| 18:33.06 | Eclipser | :) |
| 18:33.07 | pipeline | urz: Oh, yeah, it'll take a while, but it's very easy to do :) |
| 18:33.22 | tarzeau | Eclipser: so you know him irl? his sister too? |
| 18:33.30 | Eclipser | tarzeau, just him |
| 18:33.51 | Eclipser | we met at assembly a few years back the first time I think |
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| 18:36.05 | tarzeau | Eclipser: ahh cool, another demoscener |
| 18:36.14 | Eclipser | :) |
| 18:36.15 | tarzeau | Eclipser: they're so rare these days |
| 18:36.23 | pipeline | They are? |
| 18:36.26 | Eclipser | depends on where you look |
| 18:36.29 | pipeline | I thought the demo scene was fucking exploding these days |
| 18:36.30 | tarzeau | Eclipser: i should visit a large party once again |
| 18:36.39 | tarzeau | pipeline: huh? |
| 18:36.53 | tarzeau | pipeline: i mean the really cool, productive demosceneres |
| 18:36.54 | pipeline | tarzeau: I'm not kidding. |
| 18:37.15 | Eclipser | most of it is crap, really :) |
| 18:37.17 | tarzeau | pipeline: i don't mean the lan party scrippt kiddies, consumers, gamers |
| 18:37.26 | wols | pipeline: I refuse to believe that more than a few of those who "explode" it can do anything in assembly |
| 18:37.42 | Eclipser | I still don't understand the people who go to assembly TO PLAY WORLD OF WARCRAFT |
| 18:37.49 | magyar | i need to install a simple ftp server on etch for a localhost program implementation, which ftp server should i install? |
| 18:37.58 | Eclipser | they do it 24/7 at home anyway, why go to assembly to do it o.O |
| 18:38.12 | wols | Eclipser: it's hard to find big LANS... so they invade every place wher lots of PCs with a network are |
| 18:38.14 | tarzeau | Eclipser: have you seen this one: http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=14532 |
| 18:38.18 | dvs | Eclipser: there's a bunch of nuts at my work which constantly talk about playing world of worcraft |
| 18:38.24 | tarzeau | Eclipser: oh WOW gamers are just lame, esp. when at demo parties |
| 18:38.37 | Eclipser | dvs, gladly, I'm lucky enough not to know any of them |
| 18:38.40 | tarzeau | Eclipser: i loved M&S when gamers were forbidden |
| 18:38.48 | tarzeau | Eclipser: (and thrown out) |
| 18:38.58 | Eclipser | :) |
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| 18:39.53 | Eclipser | I've seen really sad cases of gamers at assembly |
| 18:40.12 | Eclipser | there was this one quaker who literally played with his nose stuck on the monitor |
| 18:40.25 | dvs | o_O |
| 18:40.51 | tarzeau | Eclipser: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/mekka/mekka.jpg |
| 18:41.09 | tarzeau | Eclipser: THAT was fun! and right around the corner there's PENNY MARKT |
| 18:41.12 | wols | Eclipser: maybe he was extremeley short sighted? |
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| 18:41.16 | Xorm | O_o |
| 18:41.19 | tarzeau | and bockwurst! |
| 18:41.31 | Xorm | I'd hate to see his glasses. |
| 18:41.39 | TheRealNecato1 | @magyar: I'm happy with proftp fairly straightforward to intsall. well documented |
| 18:41.41 | Xorm | They must be like a foot thick. |
| 18:41.41 | Eclipser | tarzeau, mid sized lan parties with the right people are fun |
| 18:41.45 | Eclipser | tarzeau, http://eclipser.no-ip.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=13 |
| 18:41.45 | wols | tarzeau: they were soon out of coke and chips? |
| 18:41.55 | tarzeau | wols: nah! it was all organized |
| 18:41.57 | wols | !vsftpd |
| 18:41.57 | dpkg | somebody said vsftpd was a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ... |
| 18:42.24 | tarzeau | Eclipser: have you been to LTSP? |
| 18:42.24 | Xorm | rly? |
| 18:42.26 | wols | magyar: vsftpd is very msall |
| 18:42.32 | Xorm | Somehow I used proftpd. |
| 18:42.33 | Eclipser | tarzeau, no |
| 18:42.41 | Xorm | Probably because it was convenient. |
| 18:42.49 | TheRealNecato1 | somebody here knows mgetty well? |
| 18:43.11 | wols | !somebody |
| 18:43.12 | dpkg | well, somebody is a person , who has a body |
| 18:43.18 | Eclipser | haha |
| 18:43.20 | tarzeau | TheRealNecato1: just ask |
| 18:43.42 | mhall | wols: the conf file for it's hard to set up but awesome, it lets you configure fucking everything |
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| 18:44.34 | wols | mhall: I like vsftpd: no bells no whistles. But very easy, onubtrusive and vrey secure for a ftpd |
| 18:44.56 | magyar | wols: what about krb5-ftpd? |
| 18:45.01 | wols | if I had a big ass public ftp site with many different kinds of accounts and all, sure, proftpd. but until then: vsftpd |
| 18:45.14 | wols | magyar: what is kerberos for here? |
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| 18:45.23 | wols | if you want security, go sftpd or ssh |
| 18:45.28 | Bhavesh | back |
| 18:45.32 | TheRealNecato1 | I try to recieve faxes. Yet the fax and modfem are just whiseling at ecah other (no data) and giving up after some time. Modem is a Thrust 56k fax/voice/data (ATI says is a TP560 ). the according logfile: http://rafb.net/paste/results/VkdY3K33.html |
| 18:45.48 | qent | hi all |
| 18:46.10 | qent | I'm use pine |
| 18:46.13 | TheRealNecato1 | AT+FCLASS="2.0" is not possible |
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| 18:46.32 | Bhavesh | what's Dynamic MMap ran out of room when i run apt-get update after adding unstable to the list? |
| 18:46.35 | qent | How can i install webmail client for postfix on debian sarge stable ? |
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| 18:46.55 | _roconnor_ | cdebootstrap --flavour=standard stable fails for me :( |
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| 18:47.23 | amphi | !tell Bhavesh about mmap |
| 18:47.32 | roconnor | it dies on /var/cache/bootstrap/module-init-tools_3.2-pre1-2_i386.deb |
| 18:47.46 | qent | !tell webmail for postfix |
| 18:47.46 | wols | Bhavesh: too many repositories. IIRC there are some workarounds. don't always work. you have to google tho |
| 18:47.47 | qent | (: |
| 18:47.52 | RichiH_ | any idea what debian package could hold com.microsoft.jdbc.sqlserver? |
| 18:48.07 | abrotman | qent: pick one |
| 18:48.10 | magyar | wols: i didn't catch that |
| 18:48.12 | cydork | !tell Bhavesh about dynamic mmap |
| 18:48.13 | wols | qent: squirrelmail for example |
| 18:48.18 | abrotman | RichiH_: that's java .. i doubt any package does |
| 18:48.21 | wols | there is nothing specific for postfix about webmail at all |
| 18:48.30 | tarzeau | Eclipser: www.linuks.mine.nu/supercow/ :) that was daaaaamn very funny to play on the big screen (of course it has a cheat in it :) |
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| 18:48.34 | Bhavesh | wols I am going to delete one of 'em got two sources for testing |
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| 18:48.52 | tarzeau | classpath maybe? |
| 18:48.58 | wols | RichiH_: the most rare one? |
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| 18:49.21 | wols | and why not look with packages.debian.org? |
| 18:49.22 | Eclipser | tarzeau, heh |
| 18:49.37 | Bhavesh | cydork: thanks.. i deleted one source and it is working |
| 18:49.44 | Bhavesh | should i venture and upgrade to unstable? |
| 18:50.15 | cydork | !sid |
| 18:50.15 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 18:50.17 | wols | Bhavesh: if you have to ask... |
| 18:50.32 | qent | wols: thanx |
| 18:50.33 | mhall | How do I gain that capability of flagging packages as being installed by other packages so that remove and purge don't miss stuff? |
| 18:50.46 | vulture | mhall: use aptitude |
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| 18:50.52 | wols | mhall: aptitude can do it |
| 18:50.54 | Bhavesh | hehe nevermind.. i will take a chance |
| 18:50.59 | mhall | wols vulture: no other tweaks are needed? |
| 18:51.11 | RichiH_ | wols: ? |
| 18:51.13 | RichiH_ | abrotman: bleh |
| 18:51.15 | abrotman | equivs ? |
| 18:51.16 | RichiH_ | damn java |
| 18:51.17 | vulture | mhall: none. Just make sure you install/remove everything with Aptitude so it can track your explicity/implicit installations |
| 18:51.21 | abrotman | RichiH_: you're the one using it! |
| 18:51.30 | Bhavesh | it only needs 168 MB to download to do -t unstable dist-upgrade |
| 18:51.31 | mhall | vulture: can i remove apt-get to force myself to quit typing this command |
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| 18:51.41 | vulture | mhall: if you want to override its concept of implicit/explicit you can "aptitude markauto" and "aptitude unmarkauto" or something |
| 18:51.51 | vulture | mhall: don't think so, but maybe.. *shrugs* |
| 18:51.55 | mhall | damn |
| 18:51.59 | RichiH_ | abrotman: i am forced to! |
| 18:52.03 | mhall | vulture: shell alias won't work because i use sudo |
| 18:52.03 | abrotman | RichiH_: there is a #debian-java on .. that other network |
| 18:52.11 | guru | how do i force a package to install? i am attempting to install oracle xe and it is failing with "This system does not meet the minimum requirements for swap space."...is there any way that i can bypass this? |
| 18:52.18 | EdLin | Bhavesh: "only", except if your modem is 56K. :-( |
| 18:52.24 | RichiH_ | abrotman: heh |
| 18:52.33 | RichiH_ | abrotman: i might go there |
| 18:52.33 | mhall | guru: yeah there is some tricks |
| 18:52.35 | RichiH_ | bleh |
| 18:52.43 | wols | guru: make a temporary swap file |
| 18:52.49 | abrotman | RichiH_: do you even have java installed ? |
| 18:52.52 | mhall | guru: you need to unpack it, change the preinst script, then use dpkg-repack |
| 18:52.52 | Bhavesh | EdLin: my apologies :( there was a time when i was on an IDSL connection 144k/144k and before that i was on 56k modem |
| 18:52.58 | mhall | guru: or you can make a swap file |
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| 18:53.08 | abrotman | RichiH_: there might be a .jar somewhere to get it |
| 18:53.15 | guru | is there anywhere i can read information on how to make a swap file? |
| 18:53.19 | vulture | mhall: so only give sudo access to aptitude & not to apt-get |
| 18:53.29 | guru | i've done it once in the past but that's been at least a year ago; maybe longer |
| 18:53.37 | simmerz | I'm trying to use autofs to mount an nfs mount, and it is saying "failed to start mountpoint /path/to/mountpoint" |
| 18:53.38 | EdLin | Bhavesh: no problem. :-) |
| 18:53.52 | Bhavesh | EdLin: with nick like EdLin i should have guessed j/k |
| 18:53.52 | mhall | guru: dd if=/dev/zero of=/swap.bin bs=1M count=1024 |
| 18:53.53 | Bhavesh | :) |
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| 18:53.59 | mhall | guru: mkswap /swap.bin |
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| 18:54.04 | mhall | guru: swapon /swap.bin |
| 18:54.20 | wols | guru: make a big file with dd, mkswap <file>, then mount it with swapon |
| 18:54.29 | Bhavesh | that's a quick/dirty/easy very useful trick ( swap file thing) |
| 18:54.30 | mhall | !stab wols |
| 18:54.38 | Bhavesh | ouch |
| 18:54.40 | Bhavesh | that must hurt |
| 18:54.48 | wols | hey, what did I do? |
| 18:54.48 | aquarius | I can't become the user "munin" (created by the munin tool) with su; "su munin" just leaves me as root. Why might this not work? |
| 18:54.49 | Bhavesh | not bad 768k/sec download :) |
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| 18:54.55 | EdLin | Bhavesh: ed(1) is better, though if I used that people would *really* think it was my name. ;-) |
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| 18:55.00 | mhall | wols: retold him what i'd already said |
| 18:55.01 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 18:55.10 | mhall | EdLin: UsrBinEd |
| 18:55.24 | mhall | EdLin: oops BinEd |
| 18:55.30 | guru | will that hose my current swap partition or will it use both? |
| 18:55.31 | buggarage | how can i make kaccess behave differently, when it's started with default configurations i have to wait 2 secs pressing a key to see it appear on the console, yet when i disable it there's no multiple-key-repeat |
| 18:55.32 | EdLin | mhall: heh |
| 18:55.33 | mhall | EdLin: or SlashBinSlashEd |
| 18:55.44 | Bhavesh | brb son needs changing :) |
| 18:56.05 | RichiH_ | abrotman: wit cookies? |
| 18:56.22 | EdLin | Bhavesh: changing him for another one? |
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| 18:56.25 | abrotman | RichiH_: milk! |
| 18:56.38 | mhall | aquarius: look at munin's shell |
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| 18:56.54 | wols | guru: will use both |
| 18:56.54 | mhall | vulture: only problem is my mhall account has unconditional sudo |
| 18:56.56 | aquarius | mhall: aha, /bin/false |
| 18:56.57 | EdLin | -!- /bin/ed Erroneous Nickname |
| 18:57.12 | mhall | vulture: i wonder how i disallow a particular app and allow all others |
| 18:57.13 | wols | mhall: replace apt-get... |
| 18:57.13 | vulture | mhall: not sure what the point of that would be.. |
| 18:57.20 | guru | wols: in /etc/fstab could i add an entry to make it auto-mount at boot? i'm presuming yes |
| 18:57.21 | aquarius | mhall: thanks |
| 18:57.37 | mhall | vulture: well the idea is, i only run a command as root after it fails as user |
| 18:57.42 | wols | guru: no. It's a temporary swapfile to make the oracle proprietary crap install |
| 18:57.49 | mhall | vulture: and i force myself to think about if it's dangerous or not |
| 18:57.49 | dan2 | ANOTHER AMAZING PLAY FOR THE EAGLES! |
| 18:57.55 | guru | wols: ahh i see, so when i'm done just delete it |
| 18:58.00 | wols | guru: if you want a permanent one make a swap partition like §deity intended |
| 18:58.11 | mhall | vulture: obviously i implicitly trust my own mhall account |
| 18:58.13 | EdLin | dan2: booo |
| 18:58.22 | mhall | EdLin: SlashBinSlashEd |
| 18:58.29 | vulture | mhall: so what's the difference between mhall & root? |
| 18:58.31 | guru | thanks :) |
| 18:58.37 | EdLin | mhall: no thanks |
| 18:58.53 | mhall | vulture: mhall's just a normal user account |
| 18:59.00 | dan2 | EdLin: Giants blow |
| 18:59.08 | vulture | what's the functional difference though? |
| 18:59.08 | RichiH_ | abrotman: yay! |
| 18:59.08 | mhall | vulture: and since i never type sudo without thinking it's safer than a rootshell |
| 18:59.11 | dan2 | EdLin: Eagles have crushed every significant move from your team |
| 18:59.19 | mhall | vulture: also, things like irc sploits etc aren't gonna work on the mhall account |
| 18:59.20 | dan2 | EdLin: can you count how many sacks |
| 18:59.33 | EdLin | dan2: ah well, at least they're really in New Jersey. That explains it |
| 18:59.38 | mhall | vulture: or if i type a dumb command without sudo, it usually won't work |
| 18:59.43 | dan2 | EdLin: heh, new jersey roadways suck |
| 18:59.45 | mhall | vulture: also if i make a typo the effect is smaller |
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| 18:59.53 | pizdets | hollar |
| 18:59.55 | vulture | mhall: so why not just "su -c" things instead? |
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| 19:00.04 | EdLin | dan2: the only good thing to come out of New Jersey is Unix |
| 19:00.11 | abrotman | RichiH_: fix it ? |
| 19:00.19 | dan2 | EdLin: heh |
| 19:00.21 | mhall | vulture: sudo empties out some potentially problematic env vars and is easier to type |
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| 19:00.36 | mhall | vulture: also, you can run X utils with sudo but they don't work with su |
| 19:00.36 | vulture | mhall: su -c doesn't share any environment settings, does it? |
| 19:00.38 | dan2 | EdLin: philadelphia has cheesesteaks, soft pretzels, tastykakes, water ice ... |
| 19:00.47 | mhall | vulture: because of the mit magic cookies |
| 19:00.51 | vulture | (sux for sudo with X) |
| 19:00.56 | vulture | s/sudo/su/ |
| 19:00.57 | urz | alright |
| 19:01.02 | mhall | vulture: sudo itself still works |
| 19:01.03 | EdLin | dan2: NY has bagels and bialys(sp) |
| 19:01.10 | mhall | vulture: mostly it's a well tuned reflex |
| 19:01.15 | dan2 | EdLin: ya, but giants are from nj |
| 19:01.15 | dan2 | ;) |
| 19:01.32 | mhall | vulture: it's sort of like using ls instead of find . -maxdepth 1 ;-) |
| 19:01.37 | urz | wols: how do i build the driver by itself? the debian source package has nothing but a tarball and a debian/ directory |
| 19:01.47 | EdLin | dan2: I'm not sure what culinary delights come from NJ, there's only so many ways you can make toxic waste taste good. |
| 19:01.56 | vulture | mhall: just doesn't seem quite so secure to me.. |
| 19:02.04 | dan2 | EdLin: hehehehehehehehehe |
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| 19:02.13 | dan2 | EdLin: and random cones in the middle of their nj turnpike |
| 19:02.31 | mhall | vulture: i'm not sure i see the problem, maybe if you have an example of how it could screw up |
| 19:02.45 | hjubal | bbl |
| 19:03.13 | EdLin | dan2: I haven't been on NJ roads in a long time, I mostly ride the subway here and don't currently even own a car. |
| 19:03.32 | dan2 | EdLin: hehe, that means you get to miss the 400 random tolls |
| 19:03.35 | gteppel | For reaons beyond my control I have my internet coming into a router and this router has dmz enabled and set to my debian box ip address. I have iptables installed and have been able to open ports for the debian box but how do i forward ports to other computers in my network?? |
| 19:04.03 | EdLin | dan2: yeah, the tolls are bad from what I remember. I remember some insane toll clerk cussing us out for nothing. |
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| 19:04.27 | mhall | gteppel: once you have set dmz host, it gets all ports |
| 19:04.46 | mhall | gteppel: if you remove dmz host and make explicit rules, then many hosts can get different ports |
| 19:05.09 | gteppel | mhall: i understand that but from the perspective of the debian machine but is it possible to forward one of those ports to an internal machine?? |
| 19:05.22 | mhall | gteppel: probably |
| 19:05.26 | gteppel | debian gets all ports, I want to forward a few to other internal machines |
| 19:05.32 | mhall | gteppel: though i'm not sure i see why you'd do it this way |
| 19:05.44 | mhall | gteppel: why not use the router to make the port forwards you actually need |
| 19:05.51 | mhall | gteppel: since that's what it's for |
| 19:05.53 | dan2 | EdLin: is that the giants first 3rd down conversion of the entire game? |
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| 19:06.27 | EdLin | dan2: I'm not watching the game, I'm not into football. I'm more of a baseball fan, and the NY teams are doing well. :-) |
| 19:06.38 | gteppel | because the router i have is a motorola VOIP router and has issues with bittorrent and other p2p type traffic (all traffic dies after a few hours) so I thought by setting up the dmz it would work better |
| 19:06.39 | dan2 | EdLin: heh, I don't watch baseball |
| 19:06.45 | EdLin | dan2: I go occasionally to Yankee Stadium |
| 19:07.23 | mhall | gteppel: that's real weird |
| 19:07.23 | dan2 | EdLin: if the eagles can keep this up, they'll be in the superbowl again this year |
| 19:07.28 | abrotman | hahahaha |
| 19:07.29 | dan2 | EdLin: the team looks decent this year |
| 19:07.34 | gteppel | ya it is |
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| 19:07.56 | mhall | gteppel: well your best bet given that weirdness is to learn about iptables port forwarding and double-forward your ports i guess :-/ |
| 19:08.08 | gteppel | mhall: ok thanks |
| 19:08.09 | mhall | gteppel: there's a doc called netfilter howto which can help |
| 19:08.11 | dvs | dan2: get it right! It's the world cup! |
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| 19:08.38 | tuv | shorewall is nice |
| 19:08.41 | dan2 | dvs, the world cup is a bunch of losers who run around like idiots |
| 19:08.56 | EdLin | the Mets sure have had a real turn-around |
| 19:09.03 | EdLin | who'dve thunk |
| 19:09.08 | MatBoy | Bhavesh, how is Nvidia doing there ? |
| 19:09.11 | dan2 | dvs, there's no real strategy in soccer |
| 19:09.13 | abrotman | oh yeah .. because the fucktards that are tailgating before a football are so awesome |
| 19:09.23 | gteppel | mhall: i would be correct in assuming that when a DMZ is setup its a much lower level of networking (below that of port forwarding) so i most likely will be able to bypass this wierdness |
| 19:09.25 | dvs | dan2: definite agree |
| 19:09.27 | gteppel | right? |
| 19:09.31 | urz | is 400M enough to bulid X? :/ |
| 19:09.34 | abrotman | yes |
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| 19:10.01 | EdLin | in soccar the two teams kick the ball back and forth, and whoever gets bored first loses |
| 19:10.06 | tuv | i could never understand the joy in football. soccer is the game! |
| 19:10.22 | dvs | tuv: o_O |
| 19:10.22 | Tirus | Debian Linux? |
| 19:10.24 | abrotman | go .. stop .. go .. stop .. penalty .. go .. stop go .. |
| 19:10.36 | dvs | abrotman: injuries!!!! |
| 19:10.43 | cydork | humm war about soccar? now that's new |
| 19:10.45 | cydork | :) |
| 19:10.49 | tuv | looks like too many here had never played soccer.. you're not seeing what you're missing |
| 19:10.54 | abrotman | !start a sports war |
| 19:10.55 | Bhavesh | bbl lots of in-memory erros |
| 19:11.07 | dvs | tuv: I played for two years and hated it |
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| 19:12.11 | tuv | dvs, you probably didn't know how to play it. no offence but this is the case for many who don't like it |
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| 19:12.25 | SatanGolga | how do I remove vmware? |
| 19:12.32 | abrotman | ask #vmware |
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| 19:12.52 | dvs | tuv: What's there to know? Kick ball with foot. What else is there to it/ |
| 19:12.55 | tuv | SatanGolga, how did you install it? |
| 19:12.55 | mhall | gteppel: i wouldn't count on it, but possibly |
| 19:12.58 | SatanGolga | abrotman: they're all idling |
| 19:13.12 | mhall | gteppel: it would depend on the precise nature of their firmware retardedness |
| 19:13.13 | abrotman | SatanGolga: vmware isn't in debian ... |
| 19:13.21 | tuv | dvs, how to kick. how to acquire the ball. when to pass and when to shoot.. etc. |
| 19:13.30 | SatanGolga | heh, no, but i run debian |
| 19:13.31 | EdLin | !they don't know |
| 19:13.32 | dvs | when to tackle? |
| 19:13.32 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 19:13.43 | abrotman | SatanGolga: ok .. fine .. apt-get remove vmware |
| 19:13.51 | mhall | vulture: when you purge do you have to do anything different to get the auto packages |
| 19:14.23 | mhall | EdLin: great factoid |
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| 19:14.48 | mhall | I have to decide if I feel like gettin hyphy and goin clubbin tonite. Tough decision. |
| 19:14.50 | EdLin | mhall: mhallsmite was better, but the Powers That Be removed it. ;-) |
| 19:14.54 | SatanGolga | well, that doesnt work |
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| 19:15.24 | abrotman | SatanGolga: no shit .. why .. because vmware isn't in debian ... so ask #vmware |
| 19:15.26 | mhall | EdLin: I tried. |
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| 19:16.33 | sagan | can you give me the package name for an cursor style that comes in knoppix, is a black triangle, in old versions of knoppix, it was as default cursor |
| 19:17.33 | limpio | artwiz-cursor |
| 19:17.48 | mhall | !knoppix is not debian |
| 19:17.48 | dpkg | ...but knoppix is already something else... |
| 19:17.52 | sagan | it comes in Debian too, but it doesn't the default cursor |
| 19:18.03 | abrotman | ask #knoppix |
| 19:18.03 | sagan | thanks |
| 19:18.04 | mhall | !tell sagan about apt-cache |
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| 19:27.10 | abrotman | !moo |
| 19:27.11 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 19:27.20 | ertertee | DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
| 19:27.29 | tarzeau | hehe |
| 19:27.37 | dvs | burgers! |
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| 19:28.06 | abrotman | Roey: fix your router |
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| 19:28.24 | abrotman | hehe .. why'd tarzeau get klined? |
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| 19:29.19 | abrotman | RichiH_: did you kline tarzeau ? |
| 19:29.37 | RichiH_ | no, why should i |
| 19:29.42 | abrotman | dunno .. someone did |
| 19:29.45 | tarz3au | abrotman: why should he. he's my friend |
| 19:29.46 | LoRez | I did. |
| 19:29.57 | LoRez | dcc send exploit in #ubuntu |
| 19:29.58 | dvs | damn! he's back. ;-) |
| 19:30.05 | limpio | hi all, anybody using icewm know how to 'lock workstation', apparently icewm works with 'xlock' by default, but debian sarge ain't got it and i don't want to install xscreensaver. Any ideas? |
| 19:30.10 | abrotman | tarzeau did the exploit in #ubuntu ? |
| 19:30.12 | tarz3au | exploit? i hit the wrong mouse button |
| 19:30.18 | RichiH_ | abrotman: if it was the real one, he dcc sent |
| 19:30.37 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 19:30.43 | LoRez | tarz3au: then maybe you should be careful what you hilight. |
| 19:31.04 | section31 | how do i change a user's group |
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| 19:31.45 | abrotman | default group? |
| 19:32.05 | section31 | abrotman, well i created a user and specified a group name but now i want to change it |
| 19:32.20 | abrotman | section31: so you mean their default group right? |
| 19:32.35 | abrotman | the one listed in /etc/passwd |
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| 19:32.42 | section31 | yeah |
| 19:32.49 | tarz3au | LoRez: can i use my real client again? |
| 19:33.12 | LoRez | can you be sure not to paste such stuff again? |
| 19:33.17 | tarz3au | sure |
| 19:33.31 | dvs | i dunno. i don't trust him |
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| 19:34.12 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 19:36.54 | liran_ | its about time |
| 19:36.54 | dvs | etch is released? |
| 19:36.54 | liran_ | i see lexmark released a linux driver kit |
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| 19:36.54 | liran_ | dvs: its more important to me :) |
| 19:36.54 | tarz3au | dvs: sure |
| 19:36.57 | streuner | dvs: what you dreaming at nights? |
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| 19:37.03 | urz | the backports.org xorg release has the same offending patch as the xfree86 in stable. |
| 19:37.08 | factorx_ | Is there a netinst CD-image for etch testing? |
| 19:37.11 | dvs | streuner: heh |
| 19:37.17 | seb- | hey is *.avi an open video standard? |
| 19:37.23 | dvs | factorx_: why, yes |
| 19:37.24 | liran_ | factorx_: yeah its up on debian.org somewhere |
| 19:37.24 | streuner | nah |
| 19:37.39 | streuner | seb-: its a file-ending nothing more... |
| 19:37.41 | streuner | !avi |
| 19:37.41 | dpkg | avi is probably an acronym for Audio Video Interleave, for avi playback, ask me about <mplayer>, <xine>, <w32codecs> |
| 19:38.08 | urz | pipeline: I want to build for my slower computer on my faster one |
| 19:38.17 | seb- | streuner: i noticed xine played avi like a champ but not mov....was wondering if avi is nice and open w/o weird drm or other funky junk' |
| 19:38.33 | urz | pipeline: is it still easy? |
| 19:38.43 | abrotman | seb-: depends on the version of .mov |
| 19:38.43 | SerajewelKS | my sarge box doesn't have a /dev/net (i need /dev/net/tun). is there a script that will make this node? |
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| 19:38.54 | SerajewelKS | or should i just mknod and pray? |
| 19:39.00 | streuner | seb-: ... and what codec you have installed... |
| 19:39.22 | streuner | seb-: check out FAQ of the xine website about |
| 19:39.48 | tarz3au | how can i find out which channels i was in in irssi on one server? |
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| 19:40.05 | tarz3au | LoRez: your kline sucked, a kickban would've been enough |
| 19:40.14 | pipeline | urz: That's extremely hard, actually. |
| 19:40.21 | streuner | tarz3au: grep the logs? |
| 19:40.26 | pipeline | urz: If they're running the same release of debian and the same architecture, it's not so bad. |
| 19:40.30 | tarz3au | streuner: what logs? |
| 19:40.35 | streuner | irssi logs? |
| 19:40.36 | pipeline | urz: But if you're wanting to cross compile, well, that sucks some major shit. |
| 19:40.46 | tarz3au | streuner: i'm not logging an irssi with 2000 windows |
| 19:40.59 | streuner | gzip it then ;-) |
| 19:41.03 | tarz3au | streuner: no diskspace |
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| 19:41.10 | streuner | buy a new HD |
| 19:41.13 | yetifoot | Is there some kind of cache that stores URL redirects, or is the browsers responsibility? |
| 19:41.19 | liran_ | SerajewelKS: hold up ill check the major and minor and give you |
| 19:41.28 | tarz3au | streuner: what woudl the grep command be to get what i asked for? |
| 19:41.48 | SerajewelKS | liran_: i got it: MAKEDEV tun |
| 19:41.50 | LoRez | tarz3au: no. we deal with DoS's network wide and have for months. |
| 19:41.52 | SerajewelKS | liran_: thanks though |
| 19:42.06 | liran_ | SerajewelKS: ahh cool |
| 19:42.08 | seb- | abrotman: if AVI is not open...why doesn't it violate DFSG to have codecs for it? |
| 19:42.24 | SerajewelKS | now i got two sixxs tunnels, woot |
| 19:42.34 | abrotman | avi is a container |
| 19:43.01 | tarz3au | LoRez: can you check your logs what channels i've been in? |
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| 19:43.03 | streuner | seb-: the codecs itself are mostly unfree... |
| 19:43.12 | seb- | abrotman: if *you* wanted to make open source movies in AVI you wouldn't have any litigation issues like with MP3? |
| 19:43.19 | LoRez | tarz3au: not logged. |
| 19:43.31 | seb- | abrotman: MP3, MOV, WMF, etc. |
| 19:43.31 | abrotman | !theora |
| 19:43.32 | dpkg | methinks theora is an open video codec being developed by the Xiph.org Foundation as part of their Ogg project. http://theora.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theora |
| 19:43.50 | tarz3au | streuner: tell him he should gzip it, and buy harddisks |
| 19:44.00 | seb- | abrotman: i *love* ogg but i can't convert avi to ogg w/o messing up audio :( |
| 19:44.04 | SerajewelKS | seb-: IIRC AVI isn't patented, it's just not documented |
| 19:44.25 | seb- | SerajewelKS: good! i can live with that! at least no lawyers will come after you |
| 19:44.25 | SerajewelKS | seb-: we also have OOo, which does .doc, another closed format |
| 19:44.29 | urz | pipeline: well i guess distcc then but im 90% sure some problem will happen, my laptop will crash or i'l run out of disk space, while im building |
| 19:44.36 | seb- | SerajewelKS: good point |
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| 19:44.46 | streuner | tarz3au: Drop the discussion now! |
| 19:44.49 | pipeline | urz: distcc is cross-compiling. You don't want to do that. |
| 19:45.07 | tarz3au | streuner: you started it after all |
| 19:45.24 | SerajewelKS | is tarz3au tarzeau? |
| 19:45.31 | SerajewelKS | or an imposter? |
| 19:45.41 | urz | pipeline: the faster computer is a ghz celeron and the slower one is a 300mhz PII. It doesnt neccessarily have to cross-compile... |
| 19:46.04 | factorx_ | liran_, "somewhere" is definetly the correct word. I can't find such an image neither on any ftp nor the site |
| 19:46.05 | pipeline | urz: If they're running the same release of debian, it would be easiest to just build the package on the celeron, then install it on the PII. |
| 19:46.05 | dvs | SerajewelKS: He's tarzeau |
| 19:46.17 | dvs | SerajewelKS: he somehow k-lined himself |
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| 19:46.35 | SerajewelKS | dvs: O_o |
| 19:46.37 | tarz3au | i wasn't even asked if i really want to be k-lined |
| 19:46.41 | urz | pipeline: ok, i would have gone for that in the first place, but it didnt work with mplayer so i was suspicious of the approach in general |
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| 19:47.03 | dvs | SerajewelKS: absolute power corrupts absolutely. ;-) |
| 19:47.09 | SerajewelKS | tarz3au: maybe if the server ran on windows it would ask confirmation for everything! ^^ |
| 19:47.28 | jetscreamer | you love windows |
| 19:47.34 | jetscreamer | or you wouldn't think about it so much |
| 19:47.38 | SerajewelKS | dvs: or, absolute power can destroy itself |
| 19:47.43 | tarz3au | jetscreamer: yeah it's consistent at least (even when buggy, they are consistent) |
| 19:48.11 | simmerz | I've just tried installing debian as a guest under vmware and I'm getting a kernel panic on the first reboot about dev/console not existing. |
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| 19:48.36 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 19:48.37 | dpkg | devconsole is probably http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
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| 19:48.56 | abrotman | simmerz: admittedly .. if it's in vmware ... i'd do a fresh install |
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| 19:49.05 | abrotman | simmerz: which installer did you use ? |
| 19:49.29 | simmerz | abrotman: 31r1a |
| 19:49.38 | abrotman | simmerz: 2.4 or 2.6 ? |
| 19:49.38 | simmerz | netinst |
| 19:49.41 | simmerz | 2.4 |
| 19:49.46 | urz | pipeline: im not sure how to specify a build location when using debian/rules. Happen to know? |
| 19:49.46 | abrotman | do a new install .. use a 2.6 |
| 19:49.51 | abrotman | at least .. that's what i'd do |
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| 19:50.11 | simmerz | abrotman: I'm replicating the uml server that I have as best as possible, so I'd like to stick to a 2.4 until that can be migrated as well |
| 19:50.19 | simmerz | a uml guest machine that is |
| 19:50.22 | abrotman | simmerz: ah ok |
| 19:50.26 | Error_X | I try to install nvidia-kernel-2.6.17-1-486. But it depends nvidia-kernel-common, but I cant find nvidia-kernel-common :s |
| 19:50.34 | abrotman | in etch ? |
| 19:50.39 | pipeline | urz: err, it should just build in ., then the package appears in .. |
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| 19:51.20 | urz | pipeline: well i wanted to give it a drive with a lot of diskspace |
| 19:51.31 | simmerz | abrotman: only solution is to boot into a livecd? |
| 19:51.44 | pipeline | urz: You can run "apt-get source <foo>" anywhere, you know. |
| 19:51.49 | abrotman | simmerz: apparently .. i've not seen a real great solution to the issue |
| 19:52.04 | abrotman | simmerz: which was why i thought a reinstall might be easier |
| 19:52.39 | simmerz | abrotman: this is a fresh install! |
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| 19:53.10 | abrotman | simmerz: yeah .. i know .. |
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| 19:53.24 | muaddib | is anyone familiar with the vmware utility p2v |
| 19:53.30 | abrotman | #vmware |
| 19:53.32 | tarz3au | muaddib: ask #vmware |
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| 19:54.10 | muaddib | tarz3au: I have no one is around so I thought I might see if other channels could offer insight |
| 19:54.16 | tarz3au | !they don't know |
| 19:54.16 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 19:54.22 | pipeline | muaddib: Costs some serious bucks. |
| 19:54.23 | simmerz | abrotman: damned 31r1a installer |
| 19:54.39 | pipeline | muaddib: If you can afford the utility, you can ask vmware, inc. support about it. |
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| 19:55.00 | streuner | btw, even the demo version has support... |
| 19:55.01 | liran_ | factorx_: are you still looking for it? |
| 19:55.03 | liran_ | hey abrotman |
| 19:55.05 | section31 | how can i chmod a directory and recursively the directories only to u+rx |
| 19:55.07 | abrotman | simmerz: yeah .. kind of :) |
| 19:55.08 | muaddib | tarz3au: as I said no one is around not no one knows... I been in the channel for over 45 minutes so I thought I see if other channels may know something |
| 19:55.15 | seb- | abrotman: SerajewelKS has a good point.....openoffice can read and write *.doc w/o getting their fingers blown off.....likewise for xpdf and pdf....maybe you can do an AVI video w/o problems |
| 19:55.16 | factorx_ | liran_, yes |
| 19:55.17 | abrotman | section31: man chmod .. be VERY careful with it |
| 19:55.19 | streuner | section31: man chmod |
| 19:55.22 | tarz3au | muaddib: so what? |
| 19:55.29 | liran_ | factorx_: just a sec ill give you a link |
| 19:55.29 | tarz3au | !they are not around |
| 19:55.29 | dpkg | tarz3au: what are you talking about? |
| 19:55.37 | abrotman | seb-: they reverse engineered the format |
| 19:55.37 | liran_ | factorx_: it cant be that hard to find :) |
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| 19:55.42 | streuner | !tell section31 about permissions |
| 19:55.58 | tarz3au | dpkg they are not around is Just because the people in some OTHER channel are not around to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 19:55.58 | dpkg | tarz3au: what are you talking about? |
| 19:56.06 | streuner | very good tutorial about permissions from Greg |
| 19:56.08 | tarz3au | muaddib: happy? |
| 19:56.28 | tarz3au | why can't dpkg learn this? |
| 19:56.40 | abrotman | liran_: hi |
| 19:56.52 | abrotman | tarz3au: because you're doing it .. wrong |
| 19:56.53 | liran_ | factorx_: there we go http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:56.57 | factorx_ | liran_, finding a netinst-image for stable is easy, but not for testing |
| 19:56.58 | seb- | abrotman: what are restrictions on mp3? everyone uses it as if patent is irrelevant...does it only kick in for commercial use? |
| 19:57.00 | section31 | streuner, i don't think you understood my question |
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| 19:57.05 | section31 | i need to do only the directories |
| 19:57.08 | abrotman | seb-: not at all ... |
| 19:57.11 | section31 | so it can't be done i don't think by just chmod |
| 19:57.20 | factorx_ | liran_, okay, i revert what i just said ;) |
| 19:57.21 | abrotman | seb-: mp3 is a crummy codec WRT royalties |
| 19:57.26 | factorx_ | liran_, thank you very much |
| 19:57.28 | section31 | i might ahve to use a find or something else |
| 19:57.49 | seb- | abrotman: so as long as you write your own mp3 codec (rev eng) then no worries!? |
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| 19:57.58 | jetscreamer | netinst is on d-i |
| 19:58.01 | jetscreamer | easy ;to find |
| 19:58.07 | jetscreamer | as long as you start on debian.org |
| 19:58.13 | abrotman | seb-: hahah .. you wish |
| 19:58.25 | liran_ | factorx_: np |
| 19:58.36 | seb- | abrotman: i still don't know when the mp3 patent affects a business |
| 19:58.55 | abrotman | seb-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Licensing_and_patent_issues |
| 19:59.00 | abrotman | seb-: it affects *everyone* |
| 19:59.07 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:59.11 | jetscreamer | oh that was hard |
| 19:59.13 | seb- | abrotman: thanks..i'll look at that |
| 19:59.18 | wols | seb-: it'S patented, so you can't write your own |
| 19:59.18 | pipeline | abrotman, seb- : And by everyone, you mean noone, as the patent only has a few more years to go :P |
| 19:59.32 | seb- | pipeline: thank goodness |
| 19:59.45 | abrotman | pipeline: right now .. it affects *everyone* .. encoders and decoders |
| 19:59.58 | seb- | pipeline: how much longer? |
| 20:00.37 | abrotman | pipeline: apparently they don't care if it's a free encoder .. |
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| 20:01.40 | simmerz | abrotman: in a livecd and /dev already has console in it. |
| 20:01.58 | abrotman | simmerz: you have to mount the installation .. and look there |
| 20:02.06 | honken | Need a sulution for a issue. On boot my comp tells me: Warning; Unable to open initial console. Kernel panic jadda jadda. Try passing init= option to kernel |
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| 20:02.40 | abrotman | simmerz: is honken's message the same as yours .. roughly ? |
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| 20:03.00 | honken | i hope it is.. simmerz so how about it? :) |
| 20:03.01 | jetscreamer | multiple controllers? |
| 20:03.11 | jetscreamer | ide/sata/whatever? |
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| 20:03.17 | simmerz | abrotman: oops. thought I had. doh! |
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| 20:03.32 | honken | jetscreamer: ide raid1 |
| 20:03.45 | simmerz | honken: no, I get the same error message as the chap on !devconsole |
| 20:03.50 | simmerz | !devconsole |
| 20:03.50 | dpkg | well, devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 20:03.54 | simmerz | the first one |
| 20:04.12 | honken | k |
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| 20:05.49 | Error_X | nvidia-kernel-2.6.17-1-486 says that it depends on nvidia-kernel-common, but I cant find it |
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| 20:06.17 | abrotman | in etch ? |
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| 20:06.27 | Error_X | abrotman: Unstable |
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| 20:06.41 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:06.41 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 20:06.46 | abrotman | using that? |
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| 20:06.54 | Error_X | uhm, no |
| 20:07.07 | honken | normal or what? => /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "devfs" |
| 20:07.54 | jetscreamer | devfs is deprecated |
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| 20:08.16 | pipeline | sadly :( |
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| 20:08.28 | pipeline | it's actually a lot more than deprecated |
| 20:08.34 | pipeline | I don't think it'll even build against 2.6.17 |
| 20:08.43 | Error_X | Thanks dpkg ;);) |
| 20:08.44 | dpkg | Error_X: de nada |
| 20:08.59 | Error_X | de nada.. what the hell does that mean? |
| 20:09.20 | pipeline | Error_X: dpkg is a bot, first. |
| 20:09.25 | Error_X | I know.. doh |
| 20:09.32 | pipeline | Error_X: secondly, "de nada" means "it's nothing", or "no problem" |
| 20:09.32 | jetscreamer | de nada is yw |
| 20:09.42 | Error_X | Okey |
| 20:09.52 | jetscreamer | also your welcome |
| 20:10.01 | jetscreamer | but it still means it was nothing |
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| 20:10.12 | Error_X | what language? |
| 20:10.12 | abrotman | jetscreamer: the 2.4 in sarge still uses it obviously |
| 20:10.38 | abrotman | spanish |
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| 20:11.02 | Error_X | k |
| 20:11.11 | Error_X | Ugh, it didnt work :s |
| 20:11.34 | pipeline | abrotman, jetscreamer : The 2.6 in sarge also has devfs, but it's optional. |
| 20:11.44 | jetscreamer | well quit modprobing devfs then i guess |
| 20:11.55 | pipeline | devfs is controlled by kernel arguments |
| 20:11.57 | pipeline | it is not modular |
| 20:12.04 | abrotman | pipeline: it's the default also |
| 20:12.05 | Error_X | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 20:12.05 | Error_X | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:12.36 | pipeline | abrotman: it is? I thought sarge installed udev nowadays |
| 20:13.01 | abrotman | pipeline: not by default .. you can optionally install it .. or cringe when libhal installs it |
| 20:13.07 | abrotman | or whatever it is that pulls it in |
| 20:13.15 | pipeline | hal depends on udev, yes |
| 20:13.18 | pipeline | man do I hate udev |
| 20:13.28 | pipeline | I've started just installing systems with static /dev |
| 20:13.32 | pipeline | because udev is just too much damn trouble |
| 20:14.25 | Pegassus | are error messages like when a user trites to log in and enteres the wrong password supose to be sent to the console? |
| 20:15.01 | pipeline | Pegassus: I believe that's controlled by your syslog configuration. |
| 20:15.14 | Pegassus | pipeline, oha |
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| 20:17.37 | naranha | is there an easy way to discover the current cpu temerature via the hardware sensor? |
| 20:18.18 | abrotman | if acpi is running there is |
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| 20:18.49 | naranha | i think it is, how ? |
| 20:18.58 | Guerin | !think |
| 20:18.58 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 20:19.10 | abrotman | naranha: does /proc/acpi/ exist? |
| 20:19.14 | naranha | yes |
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| 20:19.43 | simmerz | abrotman: console is definitely in dev |
| 20:19.51 | abrotman | simmerz: so it's lying? |
| 20:19.54 | nurv | .j #iptables |
| 20:19.55 | naranha | there's a dir called thermal_zone, but its empty |
| 20:20.15 | abrotman | naranha: $ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
| 20:20.15 | abrotman | temperature: 47 C |
| 20:20.18 | abrotman | at least on mine anyways |
| 20:20.28 | abrotman | naranha: might need to load a module or two |
| 20:20.43 | abrotman | naranha: or the hardware might not support it |
| 20:20.45 | simmerz | abrotman: yes |
| 20:20.53 | simmerz | abrotman: could it be a driver issue? |
| 20:20.58 | abrotman | could be |
| 20:21.17 | abrotman | i have the 'processor' module loaded |
| 20:21.56 | naranha | i loaded it, but its still empty |
| 20:22.23 | simmerz | abrotman: its using the buslogic scsi driver. would have thought it would be ok |
| 20:23.08 | abrotman | naranha: hardware might not suppor it |
| 20:23.11 | abrotman | support |
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| 20:23.35 | simmerz | abrotman: I get an error before the dev/console: pivot_root: No such file or directory |
| 20:23.44 | abrotman | dan2: HA! |
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| 20:24.05 | naranha | i got a nforce2 board, under windows it works, maybe the kernel driver just doesnt support it. |
| 20:24.10 | abrotman | simmerz: it's in vmware .. why is it using hte buslogic driver? |
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| 20:24.31 | abrotman | naranha: uname -a |
| 20:24.47 | naranha | 2.6.16-2-k7 |
| 20:25.15 | simmerz | abrotman: because vmware pretends to use a buslogic device |
| 20:25.25 | abrotman | weird |
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| 20:25.30 | simmerz | abrotman: it installs fine. |
| 20:25.39 | simmerz | it has an LSI choice too. |
| 20:26.34 | Error_X | !ntfs |
| 20:26.34 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs |
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| 20:30.49 | urz | abrotman: i dont know if you were answering me when you said "yes" but if so, you were wrong. 400M was not enough to build X. My build has already consumed 498 |
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| 20:32.35 | abrotman | urz: i was .. and that's just messed :) |
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| 20:33.20 | pizdets | anyone know which sources i can use to apt-get w32codecs from? |
| 20:33.34 | sepski | !marillat |
| 20:33.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 20:34.06 | urz | i'm at 524M now |
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| 20:35.01 | pizdets | marillat.sarge |
| 20:35.09 | pizdets | how do u add apt source |
| 20:35.10 | pizdets | !marillat.sarge |
| 20:35.10 | dpkg | methinks marillat.sarge is marillat's repository for sarge/stable. To add the repository, su root, cd /etc/apt and then: echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main" >>sources.list -OR- echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main" >>sources.list ..... then apt-get update |
| 20:35.52 | TheRealNecator | hylafax did the job. obviously tmy modem is onla a class 1 faxdevice. A mode sold nowadays :-( |
| 20:35.53 | simmerz | abrotman: trying again with the IDE interface |
| 20:35.57 | fasta | How can I burn extra data to a cdrw? In Nero on Windows I used to be able to make a Multi-session disk or something like that, and burn extra sessions to it. |
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| 20:38.58 | marinosi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.58 | denmaeth | where can i download debian testing cd's - all i find are DVD's |
| 20:39.08 | marinosi | i just compiled a new kernel |
| 20:39.41 | simmerz | abrotman: no luck with IDE either |
| 20:40.00 | abrotman | simmerz: that's just weird |
| 20:40.08 | abrotman | simmerz: maybe ask #vmware if there's some trick? |
| 20:40.32 | abrotman | denmaeth: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 20:40.33 | urz | fasta: man cdrdao, man cdrecord |
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| 20:40.45 | fasta | urz: I helped myself already. |
| 20:40.48 | denmaeth | thank you abrotman |
| 20:40.53 | urz | fasta: in that case, i dont know |
| 20:41.06 | fasta | urz: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/tutorials/cdrw/adding-front-end.html.en#CDROAST |
| 20:41.10 | fasta | dpkg helped :) |
| 20:41.17 | disasm | fasta: k3b? |
| 20:41.21 | fasta | (the bot) |
| 20:41.29 | fasta | disasm: didn't seem like it did |
| 20:41.46 | disasm | fasta: I thought it did, could be mistaken though |
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| 20:41.59 | fasta | disasm: ok, maybe I am confusing something. |
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| 20:43.04 | fasta | disasm: yes, k3b does support it. |
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| 20:44.08 | urz | i'm at 625M now. It would be funny and sad if it consumed the rest of my 1.2G available on the drive |
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| 20:45.12 | PumpkinPie | is there some reason why the default kernel for installion is 2.4 on 3.1 R2? |
| 20:45.18 | simmerz | wonder if the r3 installer will have it fixed... |
| 20:45.50 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: just what they decided to do |
| 20:45.50 | PumpkinPie | not a big deal.. I just have to reinstall now and specify 2.6... however.. why? |
| 20:45.54 | abrotman | simmerz: it won't |
| 20:46.08 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: you don't have to reinstall .. you can just install the 2.6 kernel |
| 20:46.10 | simmerz | abrotman: why not? |
| 20:46.26 | abrotman | simmerz: they wouldn't change it .. lots of docs that would need changing etc |
| 20:46.44 | simmerz | abrotman: that is just ridiculous. and whats the upgrade path to ubuntu ;-) |
| 20:46.47 | PumpkinPie | hrm ok how about 3 years later? |
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| 20:46.52 | abrotman | simmerz: no idea .. ask #ubuntu |
| 20:46.52 | sticky | Anyone familiar with binding an IPv6 address? |
| 20:46.58 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: etch will have 2.6 by default |
| 20:46.59 | urz | is 3.1 R2 current stable? |
| 20:47.03 | abrotman | 3.1r3 |
| 20:47.11 | urz | oh |
| 20:47.14 | simmerz | abrotman: its aparently possible but not possible. with some people seeing no problems, and others seeing many. lol. but that was a joke anyway |
| 20:47.22 | abrotman | okeedokee |
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| 20:47.37 | slocate | any idea why aptitude likes to get rid of xdm and x-windows-core?? |
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| 20:47.57 | abrotman | i think we'd need to see the output |
| 20:48.17 | slocate | and I always fall for it |
| 20:49.15 | k31th | abrotman: evening |
| 20:49.27 | abrotman | hi |
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| 20:49.33 | abrotman | oh crap |
| 20:49.37 | k31th | ? |
| 20:49.38 | k31th | lol |
| 20:50.03 | nox_ghost | slocate, maybe you installed it using apt-get. if you'll remove it as aptitude wants and then installing using aptitude, it should work. |
| 20:50.29 | k31th | wat is the prefered way to install packages iv always used apt-get |
| 20:50.56 | fasta | k31th: aptitude |
| 20:51.02 | nox_ghost | k31th, I use aptitude only. It is the best, smartest and fastest way AFAIK. |
| 20:51.12 | simmerz | abrotman: is it the initrd that doesn't contain dev/console? |
| 20:51.48 | abrotman | nope |
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| 20:53.30 | tziku | hello, i have a menu script (maked with dialog) and when i run it from user is working but when i try from other user (not root) is apear this error: "cannot open tty-output" |
| 20:53.31 | suma | i want to overwrite with a fresh install of debian and smallest without CD, what will be the best option? Debian is already installed on the system. |
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| 20:54.36 | urz | 716M and counting to build X |
| 20:55.00 | urz | perhaps a disclaimer should be added to the debian readme or something |
| 20:55.05 | slocate | ofer0: i just told it to "keep" them |
| 20:55.12 | abrotman | urz: it's in a loop! |
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| 20:55.40 | slocate | ofer0: it seemed to work |
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| 20:55.52 | urz | abrotman: that would put pipeline's "it's simple" to rest for good |
| 20:56.14 | abrotman | urz: pipeline is crazy ... |
| 20:56.16 | zaphands | Hello! cvs is working properly using the command line.. but not in eclipse of gcvs. can anyone help? |
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| 20:56.34 | abrotman | zaphands: any errors ? |
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| 20:58.06 | zaphands | abrotman: Eclipse says; Could not connect to [my pserver line]: I/O exception occurred: Connection refused: cvs [pserver aborted]: /xxxx/: no such repository |
| 20:58.22 | abrotman | seems fairly obvious :) |
| 20:58.52 | zaphands | But I use the exact same pserver line with command line and it works perfectly. |
| 20:59.01 | abrotman | anything on the server? |
| 20:59.28 | abrotman | dan2: how 'bout them eagles? |
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| 20:59.58 | zaphands | gcvs says: cvs login |
| 20:59.58 | zaphands | cvs [login aborted]: unrecognized auth response from _______: cvs [pserver aborted]: 2401/xxxx/: no such repository |
| 21:00.17 | dan2 | abrotman: I should drive to KOP and kick your ass |
| 21:00.21 | MatBoy | guys, again the question about this error. The symlink to GCC 4.1 is already there: "you wanted to use gcc version 4.1.2 while kernel attempts to use gcc version 4.0.4." |
| 21:00.30 | abrotman | dan2: oh come on . it was so obvious :) |
| 21:00.44 | zaphands | but the server works fine. I'm able to co, update and commit using the command line. |
| 21:01.03 | abrotman | zaphands: i meant .. any errors in the server logs ? |
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| 21:01.37 | zaphands | abrotman: where do they usually reside? |
| 21:02.06 | abrotman | uhm .. probably syslog or messages since pserver usually runs from inetd ? |
| 21:02.24 | abrotman | or .. you can setup seperate cvs logging iirc |
| 21:02.39 | abrotman | though .. i oculd be totally wrong on that |
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| 21:02.54 | abrotman | zaphands: sure you didn't miss a : somewhere ? |
| 21:03.24 | zaphands | Sep 17 23:43:14 localhost cvsd[4234]: connection from _______ _______ |
| 21:03.24 | zaphands | Sep 17 23:43:14 localhost cvsd[4234]: cvs command exited with exit-status 1 |
| 21:03.35 | urz | if i have a card that does some 2d accel, but not a lot of 3d, will opengl be sped up significantly from no accel at all? |
| 21:03.38 | zaphands | That's the only thing syslog shows. messages is empty. |
| 21:03.54 | zaphands | abrotman: I'm sure. double checked. |
| 21:03.59 | dutchfish | Is something broken atm in sid regarding xen i.e. xen-tools complains: WARING! Can't find version 3.0.2-3-1 of xen utils, fallback to default version! |
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| 21:04.50 | abrotman | zaphands: so it is connecting ... which is at least a good thing :) |
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| 21:08.01 | dutchfish | and there is only xen-utils-3.0.2-1 - 3.0.2-3+hg9762-1 in sid as far i i can see? |
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| 21:11.05 | MegaByte | hey |
| 21:11.09 | MegaByte | guys |
| 21:11.14 | MegaByte | does anyone here use sylpheed? |
| 21:11.20 | abrotman | the mail client? |
| 21:11.42 | dooglus | !qotd 167 |
| 21:11.49 | abrotman | close |
| 21:11.55 | dooglus | !qotd167 |
| 21:11.55 | dpkg | well, qotd167 is <dooglus> asg: the biggest package is linux-image-2.6.16-1-686. I don't do any image processing, so I think it's probably safe to remove that one. <asg> dooglus: that's the kernel |
| 21:11.55 | abrotman | !qotd167 |
| 21:12.04 | toraton | Xorm, you around? |
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| 21:12.06 | MegaByte | abrotman: yes |
| 21:12.09 | MegaByte | abrotman: the mail client |
| 21:12.11 | welly_ | hey all.. i'm trying to install ruby on rails on my vps which is using debian. i need zlib installing however apt-get install zlib isn't working - couldn't find package zlib |
| 21:12.15 | MegaByte | abrotman: I'm getting this message |
| 21:12.22 | MegaByte | (sylpheed:27317): Sylpheed-WARNING **: can't initialize SSL. |
| 21:12.38 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:12.48 | abrotman | welly_: apt-cache search zlib |
| 21:13.03 | MegaByte | abrotman: do you know what's going on? |
| 21:13.26 | abrotman | MegaByte: sounds like some libssl thingie isn't working |
| 21:14.02 | abrotman | MegaByte: in sarge? |
| 21:14.25 | MatBoy | Wow !! I 100% found the problem with nvidia :) |
| 21:14.37 | MegaByte | abrotman: can I talk to you for a sec in prvt? |
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| 21:15.00 | welly_ | abrotman: cheers, i've installed a few remotely related-looking packages but meh, not having any success with this |
| 21:15.04 | abrotman | MegaByte: rather you keep it in the channel |
| 21:15.05 | MatBoy | MegaByte, that will cost you money |
| 21:15.08 | abrotman | welly_: find what you need? |
| 21:15.09 | MatBoy | .... or beer :) |
| 21:15.13 | abrotman | MegaByte: is this on sarge? |
| 21:15.29 | welly_ | abrotman: not zlib specifically. zlib1g - whatever that might be |
| 21:15.42 | abrotman | MegaByte: really .. keep it in the channel please |
| 21:15.44 | abrotman | welly_: that's it |
| 21:15.47 | abrotman | welly_: you might need -dev |
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| 21:16.02 | abrotman | MegaByte: i'm not going to respond to /msg |
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| 21:16.24 | abrotman | MegaByte: i haven't used slack in years .. is this a binary package? |
| 21:16.24 | MatBoy | abrotman, damn, you are lowsy... or how do I write that :p |
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| 21:16.29 | abrotman | lousy :) |
| 21:16.35 | MatBoy | yeah :) |
| 21:16.38 | MatBoy | !beer abrotman |
| 21:16.43 | MatBoy | woei ! |
| 21:16.44 | Xorm | toraton, yeah? |
| 21:16.50 | MegaByte | abrotman: yes, it's a slack precompiled package |
| 21:16.54 | evren | i cant connect irc.mozilla.org do u know how to msg to op ? |
| 21:17.02 | MatBoy | The 2.6.17-2 kernel SUCKS :D |
| 21:17.05 | abrotman | MegaByte: it's probably looking for libssl .. which may be missing |
| 21:17.14 | MegaByte | I have it installed |
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| 21:17.23 | MegaByte | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.27 | abrotman | evren: works fine here |
| 21:17.42 | abrotman | MegaByte: yeah .. but sylpheed might be looking for a different one |
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| 21:17.54 | toraton | Xorm, PM :P |
| 21:18.02 | abrotman | MegaByte: ldd $(which sylpheed) |
| 21:18.07 | MatBoy | if the 2.6.17-2 kernel was a woman... I would run it... but only because it sucks than :p |
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| 21:18.27 | MegaByte | bash-3.1$ ldd $(which sylpheed) | grep ssl |
| 21:18.28 | MegaByte | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.46 | abrotman | does that file exist ? |
| 21:19.00 | abrotman | are you even using TLS/SSL with sylpheed? |
| 21:19.05 | MegaByte | libssl.a libssl.so libssl.so.0 libssl.so.0.9.8 libssl3.so |
| 21:19.08 | MegaByte | there |
| 21:19.21 | Dion` | Hi all :-) Trying to install Debian stable to a notebook without internet connection. Now the installer asks me to give the location of the Debian archive and mirror, but I can't fill in anything. Tried "enter information manually" but I am always returned to the same entry. |
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| 21:19.43 | MegaByte | abrotman: in the help dialog it lists openssl as one of the "compiled features" |
| 21:19.46 | Xorm | toraton, I can't send PMs right now |
| 21:19.50 | toraton | oh |
| 21:19.51 | toraton | sad. |
| 21:19.51 | Xorm | because I'm not registered |
| 21:19.55 | abrotman | Xorm: you're not registered |
| 21:19.57 | evren | abrotman: it says ERROR Closing Link: evren[85.106.160.235] (You are banned) but i dont even connect it |
| 21:19.58 | Xorm | yeah |
| 21:20.03 | Dion` | Tried /dev/hdc as location but then it asks the Debian archive mirror directory. |
| 21:20.05 | toraton | well, come back to slashnet, noob. #codelove. |
| 21:20.13 | abrotman | evren: then you're banned from the irc.mozilla.com network |
| 21:20.46 | evren | i said this is first time i ma trying to connect to that server |
| 21:20.57 | abrotman | your IP is blacklisted from that server |
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| 21:21.22 | abrotman | MegaByte: have you tried asking ##linux ? |
| 21:21.41 | abrotman | MegaByte: or maybe try a strace .. see if you can get more info |
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| 21:22.20 | evren | abrotman: how can i msg to op |
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| 21:22.41 | abrotman | evren: no idea .. you can't attach to the network .. hard to msg an op |
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| 21:23.19 | honschu | How to copy win2k (on a too small partition of the old drive) to a new drive into a new partition? So that it's bootable. |
| 21:23.20 | MegaByte | abrotman: it's usually empty there |
| 21:23.23 | MegaByte | err |
| 21:23.24 | MegaByte | quiet |
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| 21:23.52 | Dion` | Hi all :-) Trying to install Debian stable to a notebook without internet connection. Now the installer asks me to give the location of the Debian archive and mirror, but I can't fill in anything. Tried "enter information manually" but I am always returned to the same entry. |
| 21:23.54 | evren | abrotman: can u for me |
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| 21:24.22 | abrotman | evren: are you going through an open proxy? |
| 21:24.25 | abrotman | !tell evren about u |
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| 21:24.53 | abrotman | MegaByte: really? every time i've been there .. it's busy |
| 21:25.07 | MegaByte | abrotman: do you know how gmail should be configured in sylpheed? |
| 21:25.15 | MegaByte | It's the account that's troubling me |
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| 21:25.54 | abrotman | MegaByte: nfc .. i use the webmail interface |
| 21:26.32 | evren | abrotman: i have no idea |
| 21:27.06 | MegaByte | abrotman: the cool thing on the client is that the web interface gets unresponsive on low bandwidth |
| 21:27.15 | MegaByte | plus you can cache the messages for reading and so on |
| 21:27.39 | abrotman | MegaByte: oh .. i don't use it for much .. i wouldn't notice :) |
| 21:28.36 | MegaByte | abrotman: The builtin client on mozilla / seamonkey was great to me, but every upgrade of seamonkey made me lose my cached mail |
| 21:28.55 | abrotman | doh |
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| 21:29.17 | dan2 | abrotman: now that you're supreme champion, what do you think of Skins v. Dallas? |
| 21:29.30 | dan2 | abrotman: I have my money on Dallas winning +7 |
| 21:29.37 | abrotman | sounds good to me |
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| 21:29.45 | MegaByte | abrotman: sometimes it would just throw the mail away |
| 21:29.55 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:30.00 | dan2 | abrotman: TO is only a cancer starting in the 2nd year, TO will make TDs this game |
| 21:30.04 | abrotman | dan2: might be more than that |
| 21:30.07 | Dion` | abrotman: saw my question? |
| 21:30.12 | abrotman | Dion`: eh .. no |
| 21:30.17 | Dion` | Hi all :-) Trying to install Debian stable to a notebook without internet connection. Now the installer asks me to give the location of the Debian archive and mirror, but I can't fill in anything. Tried "enter information manually" but I am always returned to the same entry. |
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| 21:30.46 | Dion` | Is it impossible to install Debian without internet connection? |
| 21:30.47 | abrotman | Dion`: uhm .. let me look |
| 21:30.58 | abrotman | Dion`: no .. many people do it .. it should scan the CD for you |
| 21:31.39 | Dion` | I booted from Debian boot diskettes and now it's accessing CD no. 1. |
| 21:31.46 | abrotman | so what's the problem ? |
| 21:31.58 | abrotman | deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
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| 21:32.06 | Dion` | The installer asks for the Debian mirror, but I don't/ know what to fill in. |
| 21:32.52 | Dion` | It first asks the hostname of the mirror from which Debian will be downloaded. After that for the directory on the mirror. |
| 21:33.09 | abrotman | tell it you're using a CD |
| 21:33.15 | delire | [OT] can anyone here reccommend a site with GPL friendly fonts? |
| 21:33.16 | abrotman | which installer are you using? |
| 21:33.30 | scud_ | how can I tell a process to use a specific amount of cpu? |
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| 21:33.48 | abrotman | you can nice it |
| 21:34.00 | abrotman | delire: maybe ask #openoffice.org |
| 21:34.07 | scud_ | how can i do that? |
| 21:34.18 | SerajewelKS | is there an app in debian that will sit in the KDE tray and provide quick access to an encrypted password database? |
| 21:34.30 | abrotman | man nice |
| 21:34.34 | Dion` | abrotman: how can I tell the installer that I am using a CD? I filled in what you gave above, but am returned to the same page every time. |
| 21:34.39 | SerajewelKS | right now i'm debating gpg or encfs. neither are really that fun to use daily. |
| 21:34.45 | abrotman | Dion`: which installer are you using ? |
| 21:34.53 | scud_ | man awesome ;) |
| 21:35.16 | Dion` | abrotman: I downloaded the iso of CD no. 1 |
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| 21:35.26 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: zsafe ? |
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| 21:35.38 | abrotman | Dion`: when it asks you .. tell it you want to use a CD .. not an http source |
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| 21:36.16 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: the description for kwalletmanager is confusing |
| 21:36.18 | abrotman | !tell joe_ about root |
| 21:36.24 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: hmm |
| 21:36.32 | Dion` | There is no option to tell I am using a CD. I can only choose a country where the mirror is located or 'enter manually'. |
| 21:36.32 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: gringotts |
| 21:36.41 | delire | abrotman: a good thought, thanks. |
| 21:36.58 | abrotman | delire: oh crap .. i used my last one on you! |
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| 21:36.59 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: now why don't /my/ searches turn up things like this =( |
| 21:37.13 | scud_ | abrotman: can you nice an already running process? |
| 21:37.14 | delire | abrotman: do you have a backup? |
| 21:37.17 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: apt-cache search store password |
| 21:37.21 | Aleric | Shit - just now my machine totally froze up, mouse dead - screen wasn't updated anymore - I couldn't login remotely and pinging it gave 'host unreachable' |
| 21:37.33 | abrotman | scud_: yep |
| 21:37.35 | Aleric | I rebooted it, but still no network! |
| 21:37.36 | abrotman | delire: i'm a bot! |
| 21:37.39 | hugo | is there a way to make all members of one group members of another group as well? |
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| 21:38.20 | Aleric | The kernel sees my ethernet card... but it's not brought up. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 21:38.25 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: =/ |
| 21:38.28 | hugo | something like giving the new group the same gid or something |
| 21:38.44 | delire | abrotman: well this is historical. of course you do realise that under Asimov's law you should probably decommission yourself. |
| 21:39.04 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: no ? |
| 21:39.18 | abrotman | delire: i'm an evil bot! |
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| 21:39.44 | webfreak | or like c-3po, "If you don't need me I think I'll close down for awhile" |
| 21:39.50 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: hmm zsafe looks okay. honestly just a nice GUI to gpg would work... but kgpg's editor is tucked away in the menus. |
| 21:39.58 | delire | abrotman: sshh not so loud. they're listening. Them. |
| 21:40.02 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: oh .. for gpg ? seahorse is ok |
| 21:40.09 | abrotman | delire: oh crap |
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| 21:40.59 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: gpg or whatever... i don't really care but i know gpg is pretty strong |
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| 21:41.25 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 21:42.02 | delire | abrotman: you're worth alot of money now. people have been trying to make evil bots that have thoughts for years. from what i can tell the closest they got was a Sony Ibo that voluntarily attacking a small cactus while no-one was looking. i saw it on YouTube. |
| 21:42.03 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: seahorse looks good. but a kedit plugin would be nice too since i use KDE. maybe i should write one. |
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| 21:42.20 | abrotman | delire: and i have a lot of evil thoughts :) |
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| 21:42.29 | SerajewelKS | delire: yes he does... |
| 21:42.33 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: oh .. that'll be fun .. kedit plugin for a gnome app :) |
| 21:42.45 | MatBoy | !beer |
| 21:42.46 | dpkg | well, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 21:42.51 | MatBoy | !beer |
| 21:42.57 | delire | dpkg is an Aussie? |
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| 21:43.16 | MatBoy | what tha hack.... who has taken my beer ? |
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| 21:43.32 | delire | !fosters |
| 21:43.32 | dpkg | somebody said fosters was good but not as good as carling |
| 21:43.38 | delire | hehe he is an Aussie. |
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| 21:44.18 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: gnupg isn't a gnome app |
| 21:44.24 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: seahorse is |
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| 21:44.41 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yes. seahorse has a gedit plugin that uses gpg. |
| 21:44.45 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 21:46.16 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: hmm by the looks of it i might just be able to associate .gpg with kgpg... |
| 21:46.27 | abrotman | woohoo ? |
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| 21:47.01 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: sure if you're into woohooing |
| 21:47.17 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i think it requires a beer .. and a southern drawl :) |
| 21:47.22 | matholio | with debian sarge and apache 1.3, what user or group is needed for web content files and folders ? |
| 21:47.32 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: darn it, i hate drawls =( |
| 21:47.35 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 21:48.04 | abrotman | conrad-c2d: not funny |
| 21:48.22 | SerajewelKS | or even some konq encfs mounter, so when i move into a specific directory it will prompt for the volume key and mount it |
| 21:48.23 | abrotman | idiotic gentoo users suck |
| 21:48.27 | SerajewelKS | that would kick ass |
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| 21:49.53 | abrotman | !ops conrad-c2d is using dpkg to send me all kinds of crap in /msg |
| 21:49.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: conrad-c2d is using dpkg to send me all kinds of crap in /msg |
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| 21:50.51 | dan2 | abrotman: use /ignore |
| 21:51.00 | peterS | dan2: ignoring dpkg is not a solution |
| 21:51.11 | dan2 | oh hmm |
| 21:51.22 | dan2 | peterS, I was thinking he could ignore conrad |
| 21:51.29 | dan2 | peterS: you're right |
| 21:51.39 | SerajewelKS | unless (/conrad-c2d/) { ... } |
| 21:51.46 | SerajewelKS | irssi script |
| 21:51.50 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 21:51.51 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gentoo/userrep/cheater-conrad] by peterS |
| 21:51.51 | *** kick/#debian [conrad-c2d!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-69-149-215-18.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net] by peterS (you should know better) |
| 21:51.51 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 21:52.01 | abrotman | peterS: thank you |
| 21:52.10 | peterS | one nice feature of dpkg is that she ignores people who don't share at least one channel with her |
| 21:52.24 | peterS | so unless conrad-c2d knows of the other channels dpkg is in, he can't continue now |
| 21:52.25 | dan2 | peterS: why don't you just ban all !*!@gentoo/* |
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| 21:52.38 | peterS | dan2: an amusing thought, but not really sensible (: |
| 21:52.39 | abrotman | dan2: because there are legitimate ones that come here |
| 21:52.47 | dan2 | abrotman: *sigh* |
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| 21:53.00 | abrotman | of course .. what started .. some moron came in here as root@ |
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| 21:53.14 | abrotman | like that |
| 21:53.15 | SerajewelKS | wow, "sn" is hard to type in dvorak |
| 21:53.29 | MatBoy | ah, 100Mbit... that is much faster when copying 20GB :) (instead of 10Mbit) |
| 21:53.29 | dan2 | people seriously use dvorak? |
| 21:53.43 | TARZEAU | dan2: yeah |
| 21:53.50 | laidback_01 | that moron was using a liveCD... |
| 21:53.52 | abrotman | appleton: you can't speak in here as root .. next time .. read what the bot tells you |
| 21:53.53 | SerajewelKS | dan2: you mean instead of something that sucks? yes. |
| 21:53.53 | peterS | I tried dvorak for a time. I could actually type on it, after awhile, but still very very slowly |
| 21:53.55 | TARZEAU | dan2: people also use floppy disks |
| 21:54.00 | laidback_01 | there's nothing to worry about on a liveCD. |
| 21:54.11 | SerajewelKS | peterS: month three and i'm getting there =/ |
| 21:54.12 | MatBoy | laidback_01, once you will live LiveCD's |
| 21:54.15 | dan2 | I know Qwerty sucks, but unless you only use your own machine, dvorak isn't really a plausible solution for using everywhere |
| 21:54.19 | MatBoy | live=love |
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| 21:54.31 | abrotman | peterS: appleton is doing it too .. |
| 21:54.32 | peterS | dan2: it is _said_ that it's not that hard to get the hang of using both |
| 21:54.39 | dan2 | peterS: interesting |
| 21:54.42 | peterS | appleton: don't be a fool |
| 21:54.45 | SerajewelKS | dan2: sure it is, you can switch the layout in major OSes easily enough |
| 21:54.53 | dan2 | peterS: I can type 120 wpm in qwerty, why do I want to type in dvorak? |
| 21:54.55 | ChrisW_ | does this look like sensible contents for /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 21:54.56 | ChrisW_ | http://paste.lisp.org/display/26211 |
| 21:55.00 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 21:55.00 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ip70-187-71-1.cl.ri.cox.net] by peterS |
| 21:55.01 | *** kick/#debian [appleton!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-69-149-215-18.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net] by peterS (you should know better) |
| 21:55.01 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 21:55.06 | abrotman | peterS: thank you |
| 21:55.17 | ChrisW_ | I want to pin fail2ban to backports, have stable for most htings, but make sure security updates override stable |
| 21:55.22 | peterS | abrotman: he decided to show off by telling dpkg to tell _me_ something too |
| 21:55.29 | dan2 | peterS: hahaha |
| 21:55.30 | TARZEAU | ChrisW_: NOT AGAIN |
| 21:55.34 | ChrisW_ | are those two files going to achieve that or have I screwed something up ;-) |
| 21:55.37 | TARZEAU | ChrisW_: you asked for that 4 months ago already! |
| 21:55.44 | MyMiasma | Howdy, I am having a problem with Debian Etch 2.6.16-2-486 and Xorg on an AMD Athlon XP 2400+ with many packages that lead back to a dependency on xfree86-common, and can't find much info through Google... |
| 21:55.56 | MyMiasma | A specific example is libdps1 which is also required by many other packages. It wants xfree86-common and won't install xfree86-common without removing just about all GUI related packages. |
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| 21:56.09 | MyMiasma | Do I just have to wait till the maintainers catch up with dependencies or is there anything else I can do? |
| 21:56.22 | ChrisW_ | TARZEAU: yeah, and each time I think I've understood the baroque syntax that source.list and preferences uses, I get scared, and want to check |
| 21:56.29 | TARZEAU | ChrisW_: try google pictures for a pin |
| 21:56.39 | abrotman | peterS: that was the guy i originally !tell about root .. and he started .. then got his gentoo buddy to start |
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| 21:56.51 | ChrisW_ | whatever, can anyone who's actualyl willing to help sapre the tiem to take a look? |
| 21:57.21 | TARZEAU | streuner: hey look, found on google looking for a pin http://airplanesandmore.com/prodimages/smallNSDAP%20Nazi%20Party%20Pin.jpg |
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| 21:58.07 | urz | Still building X. 1.3G and counting. |
| 21:58.20 | TARZEAU | urz: it takes about 1-2 days on my ultra5 |
| 21:58.22 | laidback_01 | you guys banned conrad-c2d from this channel for playing with dpkg, eh? wow... harsh. |
| 21:58.29 | streuner | Don't waste your time with such crap |
| 21:58.51 | urz | TARZEAU: how much disk space do i need? |
| 21:59.03 | TARZEAU | urz: not more than 1,5 gb i think |
| 21:59.13 | TARZEAU | urz: it was freebsd 6.1 here.. sparc64 |
| 21:59.43 | ChrisW_ | wow, nice to see the support you get in here for trying to make sure internet-visible servers are properly patched and kept up to date |
| 21:59.49 | dan2 | laidback_01: aren't you going to start running out of hosts to abuse soon? |
| 22:00.00 | TARZEAU | ChrisW_: it's everyone's selves responsibility |
| 22:00.03 | urz | TARZEAU: how long do you give it for a 1ghz celeron then? |
| 22:00.05 | TARZEAU | ChrisW_: to use the tools right |
| 22:00.11 | abrotman | laidback_01: he was sending me crap through the bot .. he should know better |
| 22:00.12 | ChrisW_ | yeah, and that's what I'm trying to do |
| 22:00.13 | urz | 32 bit |
| 22:00.23 | TARZEAU | ChrisW_: if you buy a knife, and someone does something bad with it, it's not the vendors or manufacturers fault |
| 22:00.33 | TARZEAU | ChrisW_: read !harden-doc |
| 22:00.36 | peterS | MyMiasma: in unstable, nothing depends on xfree86-common anymore. if this is not true of etch, I guess it's only a matter of time |
| 22:00.41 | ChrisW_ | I'm concerned that the pinning to sable may override the security source in sources.list |
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| 22:00.52 | TARZEAU | ChrisW_: www.debian.org/devel might be helpful in making your own packages/backports |
| 22:00.53 | laidback_01 | dan2 what in the world are you talking about? |
| 22:00.54 | ChrisW_ | all I'm looking for if someone to check if I've done the right thing |
| 22:01.04 | TARZEAU | ChrisW_: from what i heard, pinning is painful |
| 22:01.20 | hugo | is there an easy way to make all members of one group members of another group as well? |
| 22:01.20 | TARZEAU | urz: same time |
| 22:01.22 | ChrisW_ | damn, I wish trillian had a /ignore option |
| 22:01.26 | TARZEAU | urz: wait how much memory do you have? 256+? |
| 22:01.40 | azeem | ChrisW_: just wait for the next security advisory, and see whether it is still available to you |
| 22:01.45 | ChrisW_ | tarzeau, qutie frankly, I don't know what your problem is, but I can likel do without your "helP" |
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| 22:02.00 | urz | TARZEAU: 256 |
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| 22:02.06 | TARZEAU | urz: same like mine :) |
| 22:02.09 | ChrisW_ | azeem: yeah, I like to be a little more proactive about this kind of thing |
| 22:02.24 | ChrisW_ | woul;d eb nice if there were some complete examples or such |
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| 22:02.25 | _zoomorfo_ | hello |
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| 22:03.46 | MatBoy | !beer Matboy |
| 22:04.29 | dan2 | !lart anybody who comes in here that is another replica of conrad |
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| 22:05.30 | laidback_01 | hey, guys, cheater-conra writes this: [16:04:31] <@cheater-conrad> laidback_01, tell them to unban me, and I'm sorry |
| 22:05.41 | joecool | lol |
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| 22:05.59 | laidback_01 | he find #debian to be useful for things other than personal amusement. |
| 22:06.01 | peterS | laidback_01: no, what you did was childish, you can sit in a corner for awhile and think about it |
| 22:06.20 | laidback_01 | peterS... uh, don't attack the messenger. |
| 22:06.20 | MatBoy | why are USB-devices under /dev/.static/dev now and not anymore under /dev directly ? |
| 22:06.24 | laidback_01 | not me. |
| 22:06.34 | abrotman | laidback_01: he did it more than once |
| 22:06.37 | abrotman | to me anyways |
| 22:06.43 | peterS | laidback_01: if you aren't a second account for the same kid, just pass the message along, then |
| 22:06.45 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: okay well the kgpg thing doesn't work, it just decrypts the file, not opening the kgpg editor =/ |
| 22:06.56 | abrotman | doh! |
| 22:07.01 | joecool | abrotman: you probably had it coming, this channel doesn't have a very good sense of humor |
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| 22:07.19 | abrotman | joecool: no .. i didn't |
| 22:07.19 | laidback_01 | I did... you can join #conrad if you'd like to see for yourself. |
| 22:07.24 | abrotman | joecool: it was unprovoked |
| 22:07.32 | peterS | joecool: yeah, our sense of 13-year-old humor is a bit stinted since most of us haven't been 13 for a long time |
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| 22:07.50 | joecool | peterS: HA, but you DID admit to being 13 |
| 22:08.02 | peterS | yes, I used to be 13 |
| 22:08.06 | MyMiasma | peterS: OK, I guess it is just a matter of the maintainers catching up. I think I can just compile what I need from source for now if I have a dependency problem like this. |
| 22:08.10 | peterS | I've forgotten why that sort of stuff is funny, though, by now |
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| 22:10.04 | peterS | joecool: what you're missing is that not only does this channel not exist for your private amusement, some of the _people_ in the channel provide valuable help to others, for free. harrassing those users is not only pointless, but counterproductive. we take an active interest in preventing our regulars from being harrassed, when we can. |
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| 22:10.33 | joecool | peterS: fix the bot *snip snip* |
| 22:10.36 | dan2 | peterS: exhibit some operator activism and boot the whole cohort |
| 22:10.40 | MatBoy | nobody knows it about the USB-devices under /dev ? |
| 22:10.57 | joecool | dan2: i'm just an interested third party, and conrad i believe did come in here for informatio |
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| 22:11.06 | abrotman | one could guess that joe_ is now joecool |
| 22:11.13 | joecool | i've never been joe_ |
| 22:11.20 | dan2 | abrotman: good call |
| 22:11.27 | abrotman | joecool: no .. he didn't .. he didn't say a word in the channel and started having the bot spew garbage at me |
| 22:11.34 | dan2 | abrotman: definetly true |
| 22:11.36 | peterS | joecool: then he shouldn't have acted like an ass. it's pretty cheeky to expect free help when you publicly do that |
| 22:11.41 | Guerin | abrotman: when did you start thinking you were funny again? |
| 22:11.48 | abrotman | Guerin: did i laugh? |
| 22:11.55 | urz | 1.4 gigs now |
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| 22:11.58 | joecool | i've always been joecool, and my past history includes a channel called #gentoo-cafe which DID used to flood this channel from time to time, but is now defunct forever in remembrance of lilo's death |
| 22:12.01 | joecool | *sigh* |
| 22:12.10 | abrotman | wtf |
| 22:12.18 | joecool | abrotman: well its true, but that was long ago |
| 22:12.30 | peterS | joecool: don't bring lilo into this. this behavior has nothing to do with him, we didn't like it any better a week ago than we do now |
| 22:13.06 | matholio | hi, I'm trying to add a python script to my apache 1.3 but I'm having problems making it run via a browser. |
| 22:13.18 | Guerin | joecool: that would be worth a permaban to me |
| 22:13.33 | joecool | peterS: if it makes you feel any better, conrad became affliated with me AFTER the whole #gentoo-cafe ordeal, so you can hate me.. smack him a few times, and take the ban off so he can get some help |
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| 22:13.40 | matholio | I've put the script in /var/www/python and added Options ExecCGI |
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| 22:14.09 | peterS | joecool: this also has nothing to do with #gentoo-cafe, this is about harrassment which happened less than half an hour ago. I'm not holding historical grudges here, this is about HERE and NOW. |
| 22:14.36 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I've had dpkg ignore him too |
| 22:14.42 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 22:14.58 | joecool | peterS: ah, ok |
| 22:15.01 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 22:15.07 | azeem | joecool: he can get help via the debian-user mailing list e.g. |
| 22:15.17 | joecool | i thought you know.. you were singling me out for my past, because that's not cool |
| 22:15.19 | dondelelcaro | yeah, if someone is abusing dpkg in /msg, just let me (or all of the ops know) |
| 22:15.25 | dan2 | joecool: he can also go on #debian on OFTC |
| 22:15.35 | daveb | i got suspend to ram working, but when it resumes, it then triggers an immediate shutdown |
| 22:15.36 | joecool | yeah, but OFTC is so.. ugh |
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| 22:15.43 | laidback_01 | matholio you'll need to setup a mod_python in apache, and then allow it to work with .py files by using mod_python.publisher. Anyway, #debian is not the best place for this help. |
| 22:15.48 | Guerin | joecool: i think singling people out based on past offences is perfectly reasonable |
| 22:15.53 | daveb | i checked the /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh to see if it was shutting down and commented that bit out |
| 22:15.54 | peterS | joecool: can you stop and think for two seconds about the _nerve_ to expect access to a _help_ channel which you were trying to disrupt 10 minutes ago? this kid ought to be ashamed of himself |
| 22:15.55 | abrotman | i'm not sure why it's still being discussed |
| 22:16.05 | matholio | Sorry. |
| 22:16.09 | Guerin | joecool: there are dozens of users who are permabanned from here for doing stupid shit |
| 22:16.11 | daveb | i don't see what is triggering the shutdown in the log anywhere |
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| 22:16.28 | abrotman | daveb: shutdown or crash ? |
| 22:16.31 | laidback_01 | matholio, anyway, that's a good lead, you should be able to sort it out from there. |
| 22:16.50 | daveb | abrotman: shutdown, the scren comes up and it shuts down with the normal process |
| 22:17.06 | abrotman | and not a reboot either .. just a total shutdown ? |
| 22:17.06 | MatBoy | damn, guys and cars..... and money |
| 22:17.12 | daveb | abrotman: correct. |
| 22:17.13 | MatBoy | I can cry about it |
| 22:17.42 | abrotman | daveb: any way to strace it ? |
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| 22:18.06 | daveb | hard to do that, i would have to catch it |
| 22:18.09 | daveb | since I can't login |
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| 22:18.18 | daveb | before it starts shutting down |
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| 22:19.14 | mo1991 | I am running sarge and cannot get gdeb to run properly - crashes after it asks for a root password - are there any other graphical installers for individual .deb packages???? |
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| 22:19.20 | daveb | first i thought it was a powerbutton event. but the machine will resume if I press any key on the keyboard, then shutdown. |
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| 22:19.46 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: just run a console as root, and dpkg -i foopkg; |
| 22:19.56 | laidback_01 | anyway, here's a question. If you have a system with windows on /dev/hda1, swap /dev/hda2, root /dev/hda3, boot /dev/hda4, can you use grub or lilo to boot linux and windows or do you need an external boot device? |
| 22:20.09 | abrotman | so that guy came here just to harrass us? |
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| 22:20.17 | azeem | laidback_01: grub or lilo should be fine |
| 22:20.39 | grub | Use grub. |
| 22:20.43 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - I know - want to get a good program for my friend who I installed debian for him. gdeb crashes on sarge for some reason???? |
| 22:20.53 | urz | laidback_01: you'll probably need to do some setup in widnwos too. editing boot.ini. |
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| 22:21.05 | abrotman | can synaptic do that? |
| 22:21.14 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: so just use dpkg; it's pretty simple. |
| 22:21.19 | dan2 | if I say grub, will grub bot respond? |
| 22:21.32 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: almost anything your friend wants is already in the Debian archives anyway, and they can use synaptic to install things. |
| 22:21.45 | laidback_01 | grub, okay, what would I set root in setup to? root(hd0,3) as that would seem to be the boot part for hd0, right? setup (hd0)? |
| 22:21.50 | dondelelcaro | (if it's not in the Debian archives, then they should have to use the command line, because it's likely that things will break.) |
| 22:21.56 | grub | dan2, Yes. |
| 22:21.57 | peterS | dan2: yesterday grub said he was retiring his nick because it wasn't funny anymore. guess someone else picked it up |
| 22:21.59 | MyMiasma | Thanks guys, ttfn! |
| 22:22.07 | dan2 | peterS: hehe |
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| 22:22.35 | DaS_CoAcH | hi@all |
| 22:22.36 | xaque | how do I add sources for etch, I don't understand the syntax of the sources.list file. |
| 22:22.54 | DaS_CoAcH | doen anyone of you know where to get these gentoo-marbel-icon set? |
| 22:22.58 | DaS_CoAcH | for idesk? |
| 22:23.04 | abchirk_ | !beer abrotman |
| 22:23.07 | DaS_CoAcH | *does |
| 22:23.12 | abrotman | yay! |
| 22:23.21 | abchirk_ | :) |
| 22:23.35 | DaS_CoAcH | =) |
| 22:23.49 | abchirk_ | Yeah i decided to spend it..because here was so long no highlight for me ;) |
| 22:24.05 | dan2 | abrotman: where's your sly fox brew? |
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| 22:24.05 | urz | TARZEAU: 1.5gig was not enough. It is at 1.6 now. |
| 22:24.11 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - I realize this as I've been using debian for years - just want something simple for my non-computer-literate friends who run the same system as me - I've installed on a lot of peoples machines |
| 22:24.17 | abrotman | dan2: i went to r-ford last night |
| 22:24.25 | dan2 | abrotman: huh? |
| 22:24.29 | dan2 | abrotman: you bought a ford car? |
| 22:24.34 | abchirk_ | ok gn8 gents |
| 22:24.35 | dan2 | !ford |
| 22:24.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, ford is found on road dead, or low grade cars for low grade people |
| 22:24.35 | abrotman | dan2: the royersford one ... we closed it :) |
| 22:24.50 | Xorm | hmm |
| 22:25.01 | Xorm | I just downloaded the debian package for skype |
| 22:25.10 | Xorm | and I can't figure out how to install it. =| |
| 22:25.13 | TARZEAU | urz: i just made an approximation |
| 22:25.15 | DaS_CoAcH | TARZEAU, do know where to get these marble-gentoo-icon set for my idesk? |
| 22:25.17 | dan2 | Xorm: dpkg -i |
| 22:25.20 | Xorm | ah |
| 22:25.21 | Xorm | thanks |
| 22:25.24 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: no. i find them ugly |
| 22:25.53 | urz | DaS_CoAcH: I bet google knows |
| 22:26.12 | DaS_CoAcH | urz, i thought so too... |
| 22:26.24 | DaS_CoAcH | but i dind't find good links |
| 22:26.40 | pizdets | oh snap |
| 22:26.54 | dan2 | abrotman: you didn't bring any extra brew home? |
| 22:27.09 | abrotman | dan2: it was 1am .. wasn't on my mind :) |
| 22:27.18 | fluvvell | whats the way to save a new default route after adding a new extra nic |
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| 22:27.30 | dan2 | fluvvell: man 5 interfaces |
| 22:27.34 | abrotman | man 5 interfaces |
| 22:27.38 | dan2 | abrotman: too slow |
| 22:27.47 | fluvvell | cheers |
| 22:27.49 | dan2 | god I love being back on linux |
| 22:27.51 | abrotman | dan2: oh i'm sorry .. i was on another screen! |
| 22:27.59 | DaS_CoAcH | does anyone else know where to get these icon? |
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| 22:28.08 | dan2 | DaS_CoAcH: huh? |
| 22:28.42 | dan2 | peterS: what's xenix? |
| 22:28.43 | anti-trend | DaS_CoAcH: Try KDE-Look |
| 22:28.45 | dan2 | ~xenix |
| 22:28.46 | apt | i heard xenix is NOT that bad.. not that it's that good. or a Unix derivate by M$ aborted to focus on NT. MS sold it to SCO who made SCO Xenix which became SCO Unix |
| 22:28.48 | DaS_CoAcH | dan2, these marble-gentoo-icon-set... |
| 22:29.11 | peterS | yeah. Xenix was Microsoft's Unix for 286 |
| 22:29.11 | DaS_CoAcH | anti-trend, kk, let me see |
| 22:29.13 | dan2 | peterS: ugh, take it back, TAKE IT BACK! |
| 22:29.17 | talljon84 | Does anyone signed in happen to have a CCO account on Cisco that you could grab a public file for me? |
| 22:29.18 | xaque | how do I add sources for etch? |
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| 22:29.35 | peterS | dan2: sorry, only if you pay return postage |
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| 22:29.53 | dan2 | peterS: alright, I'll just burn them |
| 22:30.01 | dan2 | I've also got an electromagnet |
| 22:30.18 | peterS | Xenix does not ph34r your electromagnet |
| 22:30.44 | dan2 | peterS: no, but everybody fears aol customer service and aol free cds |
| 22:30.47 | daveb | I got slep working by rmmod button before suspend. |
| 22:30.51 | dan2 | peterS: I'll send it to AOL |
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| 22:31.05 | peterS | dan2: someone put that on pay per view |
| 22:31.13 | dan2 | peterS: put what? |
| 22:31.29 | abrotman | daveb: that's a bit odd |
| 22:31.32 | peterS | dan2: what I mean is, someone needs to. put the scene of AOL CDs vs. Xenix floppies |
| 22:31.40 | dan2 | hahahahhaha |
| 22:31.56 | dan2 | peterS: I was thinking about replacing lionel train sets with new state of the art maglev model train sets |
| 22:31.58 | dan2 | ~maglev |
| 22:32.09 | dan2 | don't tell me we don't have a factoid about maglev |
| 22:32.10 | daveb | abrotman: well the power button event triggers a shutdown. now I have to get gnome-power-manager to work instead of typing /etc/acpi/sleep.sh force |
| 22:32.25 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:32.31 | peterS | dan2: you're saying someone is making basement-sized maglev trains and tracks? |
| 22:32.35 | peterS | that'd be pretty cool |
| 22:32.46 | dan2 | peterS: nobody has yet, I want to build them |
| 22:32.50 | dan2 | peterS: so I can have my own |
| 22:32.57 | dan2 | then resell the rest |
| 22:33.05 | daveb | org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.SystemPowerManagement.NotSupported |
| 22:33.05 | daveb | No suspend method found |
| 22:33.18 | daveb | lshal | grep can-suspend seems to think othewise |
| 22:33.28 | hugo | I pipe grep output through cut to get the first value in each line. now I want to connect these one-value-per-line with colons to one long line. how can I do that? |
| 22:33.31 | daveb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.37 | peterS | dan2: go the whole way, use real superconductors |
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| 22:33.57 | dan2 | peterS: how do I make one of these sets affordable? |
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| 22:34.05 | peterS | oh. that might be an issue. |
| 22:34.54 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: seahorse doesn't do editing and the gedit plugin crashes =/ |
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| 22:35.03 | peterS | but y'know, in a basement there wouldn't really be room to crank those things up to their usual 200+ mph. or if you tried, people would think you were building a rather small particle accelerator |
| 22:35.11 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you're so screwed! |
| 22:35.14 | SerajewelKS | i find it hard to believe that there isn't a stable gpg text editor out there =/ |
| 22:35.23 | dan2 | peterS: I'll design it and sell it to google so they can use it in their lobby and snack room |
| 22:35.35 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: either that or it's time to pull up monodevelop |
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| 22:35.58 | abrotman | ew |
| 22:36.02 | peterS | dan2: alongside like a working miniature replica of SpaceShipOne or something? |
| 22:36.13 | dan2 | yeah |
| 22:36.44 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: eh? |
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| 22:37.09 | dan2 | peterS: what I really want is a maglev based roller coaster |
| 22:37.12 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: monodevelop ..ew |
| 22:37.20 | dan2 | peterS: disney would shit a rhino for that |
| 22:37.24 | SerajewelKS | !beat abrotman |
| 22:37.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:37.33 | saboteur | sweet |
| 22:37.37 | saboteur | !beat saboteur |
| 22:37.39 | saboteur | :D |
| 22:37.55 | dan2 | !lart saboteur and SerajewelKS for being bot abusers and idiots |
| 22:38.00 | peterS | dan2: perhaps. I wonder if people would enjoy the smoothness of the ride though. a lot of people are fans of wood-frame roller coaster tracks, specifically because they're bumpier |
| 22:38.08 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: ew at monodevelop or the whole notion of mono |
| 22:38.13 | abrotman | i wsa joking |
| 22:38.14 | dan2 | peterS: ya, but maglev you could take under water during the ride |
| 22:38.27 | dan2 | peterS: an entirely new thrill unaccessible |
| 22:38.40 | simonrvn | salut vous autres |
| 22:38.50 | dan2 | peterS: vertical dive through water and across at 200mph for a spin dry |
| 22:38.50 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: hard to read that from just "ew". maybe "ew :P" or "ew </kidding>" or maybe you could try "" |
| 22:38.51 | peterS | salut, simon |
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| 22:39.05 | simonrvn | :) |
| 22:39.15 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: SDNWOTW ? |
| 22:39.17 | peterS | dan2: momentum management would be a problem when you have to plow through water |
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| 22:39.24 | simonrvn | yikes |
| 22:39.33 | peterS | unless this is a _propelled_ roller coaster, i.e., not strictly a "coaster" |
| 22:39.54 | dan2 | peterS: well, you can run multiple maglevs at the same time and use the force coming backwards from the other maglevs to do it |
| 22:39.56 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: google isn't helping on that one |
| 22:39.58 | streuner | Bonsoir simonrvn |
| 22:40.03 | Wyzard | I saw a thing on TV a year or two ago talking about the possibility of building a 500mph transatlantic train |
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| 22:40.07 | dan2 | peterS: would act as a braking force |
| 22:40.12 | Wyzard | that would be a maglev in a vacuum tube... nearly zero friction |
| 22:40.24 | dan2 | Wyzard: yup |
| 22:40.32 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: sarcasm does not work on the web |
| 22:40.41 | peterS | Wyzard: maintaining a vacuum through several thousand miles of tube doesn't sound like much fun |
| 22:40.44 | dan2 | Wyzard: and air friction isn't all that substantial anyway |
| 22:40.53 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yeah. well it works if you type more that two lettert. |
| 22:41.04 | SerajewelKS | letters too. and it helps if you spell things right. |
| 22:41.11 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 22:41.18 | dan2 | Wyzard: when going at such speeds you can use trailing air friction as a momentum increaser |
| 22:41.21 | Wyzard | peterS: It'd be easy compared to the difficulty of building a structurally-sound floating tunnel all the way from NYC to London :-) |
| 22:41.25 | simonrvn | when you're going very quickly, it can very well build up. hence going into the stratosphere for those blackbirds |
| 22:41.29 | TARZEAU | http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/de/ DFSG free right? |
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| 22:41.50 | dan2 | Wyzard: effectively you need an expansion and compression process between the two cars which would yield incredible results |
| 22:41.56 | simonrvn | there was another reason too, but the air is very thin there |
| 22:42.02 | Wyzard | dan2: Drive at 100mph and stick your head out the window, and then tell me air resistance isn't that significant :-) |
| 22:42.06 | peterS | Wyzard: and the not-inconsequential shipping industry (and assorted navies of the world) might be annoyed at not being able to sail past a certain point |
| 22:42.20 | MatBoy | mhh, xorg was locking KDE after 4 hours :) |
| 22:42.49 | Wyzard | peterS: Actually the idea was to have it submerged, tethered to the ocean floor but each segment controlling its buoyancy like a submarine |
| 22:42.57 | dan2 | Wyzard: but can use the friction in reverse as well |
| 22:43.11 | Wyzard | peterS: not all the way down on the seafloor, but far enough below the surface that ships could pass over it |
| 22:43.29 | peterS | Wyzard: oh so now we're not just maintaining the pressure difference of 1 atmosphere, to hold the vacuum, we're maintaining a pressure difference of a couple miles of water. great! |
| 22:43.31 | simonrvn | friction is a resistive force, i don't see how you can use it to *push* something |
| 22:43.50 | abrotman | mmm .. friction |
| 22:43.57 | simonrvn | peterS: it would have to be extremely strong |
| 22:43.58 | simmerz | abrotman: now now! |
| 22:43.58 | Wyzard | peterS: nah, just a few hundred feet |
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| 22:44.06 | simonrvn | oh |
| 22:44.14 | peterS | Wyzard: yeah, you'd need for it to be not too far below the surface, like transoceanic telecom cables are |
| 22:44.15 | dan2 | simonrvn: when going at say 400mph in a set of cars connected by elastic like materials you can use the compressive and expansive nature of the materials between them to use friction to blast additional force from the back of the train |
| 22:44.22 | simonrvn | abrotman: get your head out of the gutter... |
| 22:44.30 | simonrvn | abrotman: ...and into the sewer |
| 22:44.36 | abrotman | yay! |
| 22:44.50 | abrotman | pseubodot: HORSY! |
| 22:45.24 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 22:45.35 | Wyzard | peterS: Building a tunnel like that across an ocean is pretty infeasible, especially considering the repair cost after some wacko bombs one of the trains or something... but overland, say from NYC to LA, now that would be pretty cool |
| 22:45.41 | simonrvn | dan2: eh? i don't see how |
| 22:46.32 | peterS | Wyzard: maintaining the vacuum still seems awfully difficult, compared with just streamlining the train (airplanes travel that fast, after all, so it can be done) and eating the cost of the air resistance |
| 22:47.05 | peterS | then again, I suppose airplanes don't generally go 500 mph at sea level, they wait until they at least get a few thousand feet up |
| 22:47.16 | simonrvn | *ahem* bullet trains ;) |
| 22:47.19 | dan2 | simonrvn: if you have two leading magnets pulling the train one from the back and one from the front, you can use the wind pressure from both sides to compress in the middle and blast back |
| 22:47.28 | Wyzard | simonrvn: I've been on a bullet train... it's not really all that fast |
| 22:47.31 | Wyzard | simonrvn: 100mph maybe |
| 22:47.36 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 22:47.50 | dan2 | simonrvn: what it does pressurizes the air in the middle of the train and cuts friction there because it'll get substantially colder |
| 22:48.28 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 22:49.00 | Wyzard | simonrvn: The maglev-in-a-vacuum train could be called a railgun train... :-) |
| 22:49.09 | Wyzard | Better than a bullet! |
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| 22:49.36 | row | Does ayone use destar here have a issue where it seems to remove /usr/lib/asterisk/modules/codec_ilbc.so for some odd reason breaking asterisk? |
| 22:50.19 | dan2 | simonrvn: there's some benefits to using multiple cars vs. one unit (airplane) |
| 22:50.27 | dan2 | simonrvn: esp. since there's no ground friction |
| 22:51.14 | dan2 | simonrvn: alternatively at the back of the train you could have a cone like structure that compresses the air friction effectively creating additional thrust |
| 22:51.39 | simonrvn | Wyzard: hehe, yeh |
| 22:51.59 | simonrvn | dan2: sounds intriguing. i'll have to go look that up |
| 22:52.45 | dan2 | simonrvn: actually, thinking about that cone line structure, imagine if you put some really high grade wind powering systems behind it |
| 22:53.10 | dan2 | simonrvn: might cut energy costs drastically by using air friction for energy generational purposes |
| 22:53.28 | simonrvn | *nods* |
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| 22:54.23 | peterS | dan2: I think you'd make up your energy gains by the loss of having to tow the windmill around |
| 22:54.31 | Xorm | yep. |
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| 22:54.43 | dan2 | peterS: you sure about that? |
| 22:54.53 | dan2 | peterS: even if the thing is just pressurized turbine? |
| 22:55.21 | peterS | dan2: think for awhile about the resistance of pulling a windmill _into_ the wind. I don't think you can come out ahead that way |
| 22:55.35 | peterS | ICBW though |
| 22:56.58 | simonrvn | if it was more of a propeller though, but then you don't gain anything there |
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| 22:57.13 | dan2 | peterS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_turbine <-- what about a tesla turbine? |
| 22:57.31 | peterS | nevah hoid of it |
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| 23:04.49 | peterS | dan2: interesting idea but I don't see how it directly relates to the subject at hand. the exact type of wind turbine doesn't affect the fact that you have to be constantly pulling it "upstream" |
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| 23:05.44 | dan2 | peterS: yeah, but you know if you build a maglev through areas where there is low or no water. The compression chamber at the back might be able to produce water and you can sell it to make up for the difference |
| 23:06.03 | dan2 | peterS: in fact, going over the ocean there's plenty of water vapor to go around |
| 23:06.15 | urz | install: writing `/d/debian/xfree86-4.3.0.dfsg.1/debian/tmp/usr/X11R6/bin/Xvfb': No space left on device |
| 23:06.26 | dan2 | urz: go buy a bigger hard disk |
| 23:06.28 | urz | i thougth i deleted in time tho |
| 23:06.35 | urz | i have 670M free |
| 23:06.47 | jetscreamer | urz: what you can do is not install so many packages at once |
| 23:06.48 | peterS | XFree86 takes more than 670MB to build, I think |
| 23:06.55 | jetscreamer | i had to do that once |
| 23:06.56 | urz | jetscreamer: :| |
| 23:07.01 | urz | i'm building X |
| 23:07.04 | peterS | OpenOffice always used to exhaust the resources of those build daemons that had 2 GB of free space |
| 23:07.04 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:07.17 | dan2 | peterS: open office isn't even that good either |
| 23:07.17 | jetscreamer | why build xfree |
| 23:07.25 | jetscreamer | why not build xorg if you're going to |
| 23:07.28 | urz | to apply a 2 line patch to my x driver |
| 23:07.37 | jetscreamer | oh boy |
| 23:07.59 | peterS | urz: yeah, you'll love xorg then. with current unstable, you can _just_ rebuild your _one_ driver and nothing else! |
| 23:08.28 | dan2 | peterS: amen! |
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| 23:08.31 | jetscreamer | i tried to build gnome about a year ago... i gave up. |
| 23:08.47 | jetscreamer | i must go back and finish |
| 23:08.51 | tapple | does anyone know where to get information on building a bluetooth device? |
| 23:08.53 | urz | peterS: well i looked at the source package to the debian backport of xorg on backports.org. Unless i missed something, it didnt look like it would be any better |
| 23:09.00 | peterS | I suppose the X server and Xlib still take some serious memory and disk space, but nothing compared to rebuilding all of XFree86 in one shot |
| 23:09.39 | dan2 | peterS: i've rebuilt xfree86 before and I never ever ever want to do it agian |
| 23:09.40 | pipeline | jetscreamer: Uh, because X.org is a crock of shit? |
| 23:09.43 | peterS | urz: perhaps. the source packages (plural, there are tons of them now) of xorg in unstable are _much_ better. you just get the one source package for xserver-xorg-video-mga or whatever, and build that by itself, now |
| 23:09.55 | pipeline | peterS: X.org itself is riddled with regressions. |
| 23:09.57 | peterS | dan2: I hardly blame you |
| 23:10.06 | peterS | pipeline: how many of them have you fixed, then? |
| 23:10.16 | pipeline | peterS: If he's having problems with a fairly old chipset, downgrading to X.org 6.7 or below is likely to fix it. |
| 23:10.27 | pipeline | peterS: Not a damn one of them. I was perfectly happy with the course of Xfree development. |
| 23:10.44 | dan2 | peterS: it's even more ironic is that if xfree86 developers hadn't been so stupid to change licensing, we'd all still be using it |
| 23:10.51 | freeone3000 | python-qt4 doesn't seem to include pyuic, any reason why? |
| 23:10.59 | pipeline | peterS: I'm voting with my feet on this one. I'm a user. I don't know shit about writing graphics drivers. |
| 23:11.05 | pipeline | freeone3000: I suspect you'll have to ask the maintainer about that one. |
| 23:11.07 | peterS | dan2: yeah, we would. I wonder if the modular tree would ever have happened. I know a lot of people already wanted it. |
| 23:11.18 | freeone3000 | Mmkay. |
| 23:11.22 | dan2 | peterS: is xfree86 dead now? |
| 23:11.37 | peterS | dan2: last I heard they still had a website and were still making releases. I have no idea if anyone is _using_ those releases. |
| 23:11.56 | dan2 | classc |
| 23:11.58 | dan2 | classic |
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| 23:12.08 | simonrvn | afaik, mac os, some bsd, and one other were using it still |
| 23:12.18 | maikol | is there a way to print out my video card info such as brand make and model |
| 23:12.37 | urz | maikol: you can identify it using lspci |
| 23:12.41 | peterS | dan2: sure enough. xorg parted ways just before xfree86 4.4.0, and since then they've produced not only 4.5.0 but 4.6.0. |
| 23:12.46 | freeone3000 | Ah, it's just renamed. Nevermind. |
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| 23:13.20 | urz | if xorg lets me build individual drivers, i dont care what xfree 4.6 can do |
| 23:13.50 | peterS | urz: indeed (: |
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| 23:16.31 | maikol | thanks urz |
| 23:17.10 | Roey | peterS: I get the impression that they're crawling at a snail's pace and that no one wants anything to do with them. |
| 23:19.01 | urz | i suppose there is no way to resume the x build |
| 23:19.56 | CHodapp | I'm on Debian on AMD64, and I need to compile a kernel for an x86 box. How easy is it to set it up to cross-compile? Would I be better off just installing GCC in my 32-bit chroot? |
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| 23:21.34 | urz | you could try telling it the cpu in the kernel's make menuconfig |
| 23:23.01 | CHodapp | urz, it only lists 64-bit CPUs |
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| 23:25.14 | urz | iduno |
| 23:25.19 | urz | i'd not try the cross compile |
| 23:26.02 | urz | do you have a i386-linux-gcc command? |
| 23:26.36 | CHodapp | Nope. |
| 23:26.41 | CHodapp | I was trying to figure out how to get it. |
| 23:28.09 | urz | i dont know |
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| 23:31.47 | MatBoy | Will the nvidia driver be attached to Etch again in the future ? |
| 23:32.14 | CHodapp | again? |
| 23:33.02 | pipeline | CHodapp: Cross-compiling is intensely painful. |
| 23:33.15 | pipeline | CHodapp: You can use crosstool to make it slightly less unpleasant, but not by much. |
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| 23:33.25 | CHodapp | pipeline, so chroot is probably much easier? |
| 23:33.36 | pipeline | CHodapp: You're much better off using the chroot, despite the fact that gcc is one of the few applications that benefits from the extra registers in amd64 |
| 23:34.13 | pipeline | CHodapp: Unless there's at least 1.5 orders of magnitude speed difference, cross-compiling is going to be a waste of your time, even for development. |
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| 23:34.40 | yassine | hi everyone! |
| 23:34.56 | CHodapp | It's not really for development, it's because I need an x86 kernel for another box that is way too slow to compile GCC, and the box I'm on is AMD64 |
| 23:34.58 | tapple | yassine: hi |
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| 23:36.39 | yassine | im runing sarge (on my laptop) is there any newer version i could use without being afraid that my system crashes ? |
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| 23:38.02 | favicon | #energy forum |
| 23:38.08 | bulio| | what packages do I need to make php work with apache? |
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| 23:39.09 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search apache | grep php |
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| 23:39.58 | SerajewelKS | okay this is really vague but does someone know of some sort of program/toolkit that can quickly create simulations of light shows? and be scriptable to where it will sync with a song? |
| 23:40.07 | SerajewelKS | GL or whatever |
| 23:40.25 | bulio| | I don't see what I need |
| 23:40.33 | jetscreamer | all i know bulio| |
| 23:40.41 | MatBoy | back again :) |
| 23:40.41 | jetscreamer | mod_php maybe |
| 23:40.51 | MatBoy | but Nvidia back in Sid ? will it happen once ? |
| 23:40.51 | jetscreamer | SerajewelKS: i dunno maybe that goom thing |
| 23:41.00 | jetscreamer | nvidia is in sid iirc |
| 23:41.07 | jetscreamer | is it gone? |
| 23:41.11 | MatBoy | jetscreamer, I mean etch ! |
| 23:41.15 | MatBoy | stupid me :) |
| 23:41.17 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:41.24 | jetscreamer | no idea it's been gone a while all i know |
| 23:41.25 | bulio| | how can I completely uninstall apache2 and re-install it |
| 23:41.25 | bulio| | ? |
| 23:41.28 | jetscreamer | never use it myself |
| 23:41.32 | bulio| | I deleted some config files by accident |
| 23:41.43 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge apache* maybe |
| 23:41.44 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: povray? |
| 23:41.49 | jetscreamer | or think --force-confmiss |
| 23:41.53 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: like controllable |
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| 23:42.08 | MatBoy | jetscreamer, but iw would be nice... it works better in Sid than in Etch or Sarge :( |
| 23:42.10 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: funny, i started building such a toolkit on povray a while back |
| 23:42.41 | pipeline | yassine: Upgrade to etch. Testing breaks, but infrequently. |
| 23:42.42 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: but something more ... realtime would be cool. so i can play around with stuff without waiting for renders. |
| 23:42.49 | abrotman | nfc then |
| 23:43.06 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: by "toolkit" i mean "include" of course |
| 23:43.25 | MatBoy | pipeline, do you still love me ? |
| 23:43.34 | pipeline | MatBoy: No. |
| 23:43.34 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i stopped when i found a horrible bug that added a ton of artifacts when using lots of light and materials |
| 23:43.36 | yassine | pipeline, etch should i just change the sarge in my source.list to etch and upgrade using aptitude ? |
| 23:43.40 | pipeline | MatBoy: Not after what you did to that dog. |
| 23:43.49 | pipeline | yassine: Upgrade using "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 23:44.05 | pipeline | yassine: I don't know the aptitude equivalents. "dist-upgrade" is not the same as "upgrade" in apt-get. |
| 23:44.12 | MatBoy | pipeline, ow, I thought you liked a "HotDog" :p |
| 23:44.50 | bulio| | I just did apt-get remove --purge apache* maybe |
| 23:45.22 | SerajewelKS | basically DMX but rendered instead of sent out lp0 |
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| 23:48.04 | matholio | Hi, I want to ftp some web content, but I'm not sure how to set the perms in /var/www to allow this. |
| 23:48.40 | pearl | matholio: the owner of this directory is www-data |
| 23:48.58 | matholio | so do I need to set a password for www-data ? |
| 23:49.11 | matholio | and then ftp as www-data > |
| 23:49.13 | matholio | ? |
| 23:49.15 | pearl | if you want your web content password protected, yes |
| 23:49.21 | abrotman | that's one way .. |
| 23:49.37 | pearl | otherwise not |
| 23:49.38 | abrotman | or use a directory alias |
| 23:49.43 | abrotman | or use group perms |
| 23:49.46 | matholio | or can make my user a member of a group and give perms to the group ? |
| 23:50.13 | pearl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.14 | cafuego | matholio: the latter option is better (imo) |
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| 23:50.45 | matholio | so I make a new group say www-update, make that group the owner of /var/www ? |
| 23:50.47 | pearl | you should find all answers there |
| 23:50.48 | bulio| | http://bulio.homelinux.net |
| 23:50.53 | abrotman | matholio: if you give www-data a password .. have to give them a valid shell too .. |
| 23:50.54 | bulio| | why won't that site load as a php site? |
| 23:50.55 | cafuego | matholio: Have group write access; add yourself to that group (and set the umask to 002 in the ftps erver config, and make sure the parent directory is setgid.) |
| 23:51.00 | bulio| | I have apache-2 and php4 installed |
| 23:51.02 | MatBoy | !hotdog pipeline |
| 23:51.08 | abrotman | bulio|: you misconfigured apache |
| 23:51.23 | abrotman | MatBoy: give up already |
| 23:51.23 | bulio| | abrotman: how so? |
| 23:51.26 | abrotman | bulio|: it shouldn't be asking me to download the file |
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| 23:52.02 | pearl | this php script should be executed, normally =) |
| 23:52.12 | pearl | bulio|: like this, http://hzt.homeunix.org |
| 23:52.13 | pearl | =D |
| 23:52.39 | MatBoy | abrotman, giveup ? |
| 23:52.53 | MatBoy | abrotman, life is one big challenge... I never give up :) |
| 23:53.40 | Ronin | obviously doesnt work for the govt then |
| 23:53.43 | bulio| | phpinfo();? |
| 23:54.14 | pearl | yes |
| 23:54.20 | pearl | just for testing :) |
| 23:54.27 | pearl | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/357 - read the sections you need |
| 23:54.41 | MatBoy | pearl, no, it;s the most beautiful page you can serve on the internet :D |
| 23:54.47 | pearl | thats for php5, but it should work with php4 too |
| 23:54.51 | abrotman | bulio|: you've misconfigured your apache config |
| 23:55.13 | pearl | MatBoy: why? you got a lot information about a server, huh? =D |
| 23:55.19 | bulio| | not working |
| 23:55.26 | bulio| | abrotman: I'm using the stock apache2 configs |
| 23:55.37 | MatBoy | pearl, and you have nothing to do for it :D |
| 23:55.43 | pearl | =) |
| 23:55.54 | abrotman | bulio|: ls -l /etc/apache2/modules-enabled/ |
| 23:55.55 | pearl | dont abuse it :P |
| 23:55.55 | MatBoy | pearl, that is how IT used to be :p |
| 23:56.27 | bulio| | ls: /etc/apache2/modules-enabled/: No such file or directory |
| 23:56.37 | abrotman | eh .. maybe it's mods-enabled |
| 23:56.57 | abrotman | it is |
| 23:56.57 | pearl | bulio|: why u dont search on google for a easy howto? |
| 23:57.00 | pearl | that mostly work |
| 23:57.02 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:57.02 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:57.09 | bulio| | http://rafb.net/paste/results/kTB98J20.html |
| 23:57.12 | bulio| | thats the output |
| 23:57.18 | dotCOMmie | Where is a good place to store files which keep a state (besides /tmp/) essentially it should be writable by anyone |
| 23:57.24 | abrotman | Shadowcat: i'm still hungover .. shut it :) |
| 23:57.29 | abrotman | bulio|: php isn't enabled |
| 23:57.37 | abrotman | bulio|: which version of debian ? |
| 23:57.41 | Shadowcat | NEVER! |
| 23:57.42 | bulio| | sarge |
| 23:57.50 | bulio| | all I did was |
| 23:57.54 | bulio| | apt-get install apache2 |
| 23:57.58 | bulio| | apt-get install php4 |
| 23:57.59 | abrotman | bulio|: apt-get instal libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 23:58.15 | abrotman | erm .. install |
| 23:58.18 | abrotman | Shadowcat: sure i do .. |
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| 23:58.30 | MatBoy | Guys, I must say... Debian is becomming more flexible + stability |
| 23:58.37 | findme | how can i know if i am on stable/testing/unstable? |
| 23:58.40 | abrotman | !version |
| 23:58.40 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 23:59.34 | findme | abrotman, thanks but is it sid, etch , unstable? |
| 23:59.59 | abrotman | findme: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
