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| 00:00.30 | findme | ii libc6 2.3.6-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:00.35 | abrotman | !info libc6 sid |
| 00:00.42 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 4586 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB |
| 00:00.53 | findme | abrotman, ah ok thanks. |
| 00:00.54 | abrotman | findme: you're out of date for starters |
| 00:00.57 | MatBoy | !love MatBoy |
| 00:01.05 | findme | abrotman, very.. I have to get back in shape. |
| 00:01.13 | abrotman | findme: look in /etc/apt/sources.list .. what does it say ? sarge/stable/etch/testing/sid/unstable ? |
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| 00:01.22 | MatBoy | sleep well all !!!!!!! |
| 00:01.30 | thingfish | nite nite |
| 00:01.36 | MatBoy | thnx ! |
| 00:01.40 | abrotman | thank goodness |
| 00:01.49 | findme | abrotman, the cd i installed from is unstable, and so is the link to lyre.mit.edu |
| 00:02.05 | abrotman | findme: that's not really what i asked |
| 00:02.29 | findme | abrotman, cdrom says Sarge |
| 00:02.36 | abrotman | anything else in there? |
| 00:02.39 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:02.39 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:03.24 | findme | abrotman, pasted in #flood |
| 00:03.42 | abrotman | you have to wait til i'm there :) |
| 00:04.52 | matholio | I using ftpd, and files are copying up ok, but how to I control the perms and owner of the new files ? |
| 00:05.23 | ^majik^ | how do I downgrade my packages from testing back to sarge? I've commented out the deb testing line in sources.list and ran apt-get update, but now what? apt-get upgrade / dist-upgrade doesn't cut it. is there a way to clear out the package list? |
| 00:05.59 | bulio| | I got mysql-server-4.1 |
| 00:06.05 | bulio| | yet apache still has no mysql support |
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| 00:06.30 | abrotman | you need php4-mysql |
| 00:06.44 | abrotman | bulio|: please try to use `apt-cache search <terms>` |
| 00:07.08 | bulio| | I do |
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| 00:07.35 | abrotman | apt-cache search php mysql |
| 00:07.38 | bulio| | http://bulio.homelinux.net/apache2-default/installation/index.php |
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| 00:07.43 | bulio| | still no mysql support |
| 00:08.00 | abrotman | did you install php4-mysql? |
| 00:08.10 | bulio| | yeah |
| 00:08.18 | bulio| | Selecting previously deselected package php4-mysql |
| 00:08.50 | evrenkan86 | hey could anyone help me i cant connetc irc.mozilla.org ??? |
| 00:09.38 | EdLin | evrenkan86: does this look like #mozilla ? |
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| 00:11.01 | evrenkan86 | EdLin nope but its look like there are "people" in this channel |
| 00:11.29 | Shadowcat | how many times do we have to say this |
| 00:11.35 | Shadowcat | we're BOTS damnit, NOT people |
| 00:11.37 | MatBoy | is bootsplash.org simple to install ? I used splashy before and it broke once |
| 00:12.21 | Shadowcat | no |
| 00:12.44 | MatBoy | mhh ok.. I already saw it is tricky |
| 00:12.54 | MatBoy | Shadowcat, so I need to use splashy ? |
| 00:13.17 | xaque | what do I add to my sources for etch?? |
| 00:13.21 | bulio| | still no luck |
| 00:13.24 | Shadowcat | why are you asking if you already know? |
| 00:13.32 | Shadowcat | xaque: why do you need etch? |
| 00:13.50 | xaque | because I want to run xorg, not xfree |
| 00:14.02 | MatBoy | Shadowcat, for second opinion ;) |
| 00:14.15 | Shadowcat | why do you need xorg? |
| 00:14.23 | bulio| | apt-get install mysql-common-4.1 |
| 00:14.27 | bulio| | apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 00:14.32 | Shadowcat | ... |
| 00:14.34 | bulio| | apt-get install php4-mysql |
| 00:14.37 | bulio| | thats what I have |
| 00:14.48 | xaque | Shadowcat: 1) because I am more familiar with it and 2) because I can't seem to find the nvidia driver nor teh evdev drive |
| 00:15.04 | PumpkinPie | the bios does register the right amount of ram.. the O/S doesn't... why with my DDR ECC registered ram and 2.6 kernel it says I have nearly 1 gig when I have 2 gigs installed or even when I have 6 gigs installed it says less then 1 gig? |
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| 00:15.45 | Shadowcat | edit your sources.list then |
| 00:15.46 | PumpkinPie | the bios memory testing is already accurate tho |
| 00:15.51 | Shadowcat | chanage sarge/stable to etch |
| 00:15.54 | Shadowcat | change* |
| 00:17.19 | xaque | how do I find a list of mirros that support etch |
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| 00:17.46 | ahlfors | On boot, my keyboard stops working while Xorg is starting up. Remote ssh and "/etc/init.d/kdm restart" is required to get the keyboard to respond. Any ideas? |
| 00:18.42 | xaque | ahlfors: I have had that issue with kdm before as well, but not with debian. |
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| 00:19.15 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 00:19.16 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 00:20.03 | ahlfors | xaque: I think it might be an Xorg problem, not kdm specifically. But restarting kdm is my way to restart the X server. |
| 00:20.22 | ahlfors | xaque: In any case, were you able to fix it? |
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| 00:21.32 | ^majik^ | how do I use "preferences.stable" or such? I want to downgrade back to 'sarge' / 'stable'. |
| 00:22.10 | bulio| | <bulio|> I'm having problems |
| 00:22.10 | bulio| | <bulio|> http://bulio.homelinux.net |
| 00:22.10 | bulio| | <bulio|> no mysql support in debian sarge |
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| 00:22.15 | bulio| | depsite the fact that I apt-getted mysql-common-4.1 mysql-server-4.1 and php4-mysql |
| 00:23.20 | bulio| | anyone? |
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| 00:24.03 | ^majik^ | bulio: get the libapache mod_php4 module or libapache2 mod_php4 module (if using apache2) |
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| 00:25.37 | bulio| | isnt in debian sarge |
| 00:25.57 | xaque | ahlfors: yeah, I just formated the system that had the problem cause I wanted to try out debian and I am stuck with it all. But regardless, you might be right, but also, if you did modular kde vs the full kdebase matters also. |
| 00:26.36 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 00:26.39 | xaque | I am lost with this mirror stuff. I want to use etch amd amd64. so I am at : http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/ |
| 00:26.51 | xaque | what does my source line need to look like |
| 00:27.01 | bulio| | abrotman: its newest version |
| 00:27.17 | abrotman | so what doesn't work ? |
| 00:27.18 | xaque | I see an etch folder in there and I see a contents-amd64.diff folder under that. I don't get it |
| 00:27.56 | abrotman | paste your current sources |
| 00:27.59 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:27.59 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:28.14 | xaque | abrotman: I have none, I want to use etch |
| 00:28.23 | abrotman | yes .. you have sources |
| 00:28.29 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:28.42 | ahlfors | xaque, I want to avoid a reinstall or the like. I am using the full kdebase. Can't find any relevant bug reps. |
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| 00:29.40 | xaque | abrotman: I have deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib and I have deb http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian-amd64/debian stable main contrib |
| 00:30.34 | abrotman | oh ... |
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| 00:30.39 | xaque | ahlfors: I did not seem to notice the problem when I did not have kde installed, just kdm as a lone package. When I ran into problem was when kde started to look more attractive than fluxbox and I removed all kde associated packages and installed kdebase |
| 00:30.49 | abrotman | xaque: what's your rough geographic location ? |
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| 00:30.57 | xaque | abrotman: I am stuck, what I am doing should not be difficult |
| 00:30.58 | xaque | colorado |
| 00:31.01 | xaque | US |
| 00:31.03 | MatBoy | !java |
| 00:31.04 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 00:31.09 | abrotman | i know where colorado is :) |
| 00:31.12 | abrotman | MatBoy: msg the damn bot |
| 00:31.19 | xaque | abrotman: k |
| 00:31.24 | shingouz | abrotman: sunday? :p |
| 00:31.26 | MatBoy | abrotman, damn, only you complain about it :) |
| 00:31.33 | abrotman | shingouz: all day :) |
| 00:31.37 | shingouz | MatBoy: he was faster this time |
| 00:31.46 | ahlfors | xaque, I have two systems with this problem; one has KDE installed but doesn't use kdm. Are you saying you think it won't happen if I remove KDE? |
| 00:31.50 | MatBoy | shingouz, hehe :P |
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| 00:32.14 | abrotman | xaque: deb http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 00:32.22 | xaque | ahlfors: I am not saying what will happen or what will not happen. This is just what I noticed of what I was doing on my system at the time I had the issue |
| 00:32.42 | xaque | abrotman: dood, I am like 30 minutes from that campus and it is freaking SLOW |
| 00:32.58 | shingouz | ...besides, i have been busy lately, not enough time to sit here and lart^H^H^H^H help people.... |
| 00:33.03 | ahlfors | xaque, ok thanks anyway. |
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| 00:33.38 | abrotman | xaque: ftp.ndlug.nd.edu |
| 00:34.23 | xaque | ahlfors: sure, if you find a solution, let me know. I would sometimes get the issue where the keyboard would repeat itself when I would type the password, very anoying |
| 00:34.34 | PumpkinPie | do I have to do any configuration to upgrade my RAM ? |
| 00:34.43 | xaque | abrotman: so there is no distinction between amd64 and etch? |
| 00:34.48 | xaque | I can use any mirror? |
| 00:34.49 | shingouz | PumpkinPie: not unless you go over 1GB |
| 00:34.56 | xaque | or do I have to use an amd64 mirror |
| 00:34.57 | xaque | ? |
| 00:35.00 | abrotman | xaque: amd64 is official for etch |
| 00:35.09 | PumpkinPie | shingouz: what do I do in a case where I do go over 1GB ? |
| 00:35.17 | xaque | abrotman: so any etch mirror will work? |
| 00:35.18 | shingouz | PumpkinPie: recompile the kernel |
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| 00:35.41 | abrotman | xaque: most will .. yes |
| 00:35.44 | PumpkinPie | you have to recompile the kernel if you install more then 1 gig ? |
| 00:35.47 | abrotman | xaque: http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 00:35.52 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: ? |
| 00:35.53 | xaque | abrotman: ok, I am about to do a distupgrade then |
| 00:35.56 | xaque | thanks for the help |
| 00:36.04 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: what? |
| 00:36.09 | shingouz | PumpkinPie: if you want to use the 1GB of ram, yes afaik |
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| 00:36.21 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: you have to recompile the kernel if you install more then 1 gig ? |
| 00:36.22 | MatBoy | !beer abrotman to get some relaxment |
| 00:36.24 | bulio| | abrotman: still no luck with mysql |
| 00:36.33 | shingouz | abrotman: the 1GB limit on ram on a standard kernel |
| 00:36.44 | abrotman | bulio|: grep mysql /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini |
| 00:36.49 | ahlfors | There's no himem support on debian precompiled kernels? That surprises me. |
| 00:36.55 | shingouz | MatBoy: this is sunday, no amount of relaxant helps |
| 00:36.57 | abrotman | MatBoy: stop already .. it's fucking annoying |
| 00:37.06 | PumpkinPie | I have 2.6 kernel |
| 00:37.08 | abrotman | ahlfors: yes .. there is |
| 00:37.15 | abrotman | ahlfors: uname -r |
| 00:37.27 | MatBoy | abrotman, damn, it's so late here... I need some cheerups :) |
| 00:37.28 | abrotman | shingouz: depends which sarge kernel you use |
| 00:37.33 | shingouz | oh |
| 00:37.33 | xaque | is ther an orpan package search? or better yet, is there a way to use apts to remove all deps of a package after I remove a packge? |
| 00:37.33 | abrotman | MatBoy: then go to bed |
| 00:37.41 | abrotman | !tell xaque about deborphan |
| 00:37.46 | abrotman | xaque: or use aptitude |
| 00:37.47 | MatBoy | abrotman, yep, I'm installing java and than I'm gone :) |
| 00:37.53 | bulio| | abrotman: http://rafb.net/paste/results/xW1ETH54.html |
| 00:38.00 | PumpkinPie | no matter what I do it says 885 mb... my bois registers 5 gigs right now |
| 00:38.14 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: uname -r |
| 00:38.21 | abrotman | bulio|: have you restart apache ? |
| 00:38.30 | abrotman | restarted |
| 00:38.43 | PumpkinPie | 2.6.8-2-i386 |
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| 00:38.59 | bulio| | works now |
| 00:39.00 | bulio| | thanks a lot |
| 00:39.07 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: what CPU is it ? |
| 00:39.14 | PumpkinPie | dual xeon |
| 00:39.29 | bulio| | thanks! |
| 00:39.30 | shingouz | hmmm... 686 smp at least.. |
| 00:39.35 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: firstly .. your kernel is out of date .. secondly .. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 00:40.10 | shingouz | PumpkinPie: right now you are running only one cpu on the box with that kernel |
| 00:40.11 | PumpkinPie | I just installed R2 from the CD |
| 00:40.30 | abrotman | ok .. fine .. ignore me |
| 00:41.11 | PumpkinPie | why wouldn't the R2 CD install an SMP kernel ? |
| 00:41.21 | abrotman | because .. not everyone has an SMP box |
| 00:41.35 | shingouz | abrotman: boxEN :p |
| 00:41.43 | epsilon | compile your own kernel *shrugs* |
| 00:41.43 | abrotman | the -386 kernels don't support more than 1GB because a 386 can't address that much |
| 00:41.48 | PumpkinPie | usually it does.. R1 for example did that for me |
| 00:41.53 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 00:42.09 | PumpkinPie | o.o |
| 00:42.14 | PumpkinPie | ok |
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| 00:42.25 | xaque | I keep getting warnings about LOCALE settings. I have try to to the locale-gen thing and it fails...say 'en' does not exist. What am I doing wrong? |
| 00:42.49 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:42.51 | shingouz | xaque: dpkg-recinfigure locales |
| 00:42.55 | shingouz | bah. i typo |
| 00:43.01 | shingouz | and am slow, of course |
| 00:43.01 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:43.33 | xaque | shingouz: I have already done that |
| 00:43.42 | PumpkinPie | I was like wtf when I had 6 gig ECC ram (expensive) installed and it said I had 885 mb |
| 00:43.48 | shingouz | xaque: should not need anythig else |
| 00:44.03 | shingouz | PumpkinPie: 686 smp kernel should cure the problem |
| 00:44.10 | epsilon | PumpkinPie: compile your own kernel, loose all ballasts and be happy |
| 00:44.12 | abrotman | it will go to 4GB |
| 00:44.17 | abrotman | well .. 3.5GB ... |
| 00:44.30 | shingouz | abrotman: so the 6GB needs a custom? |
| 00:44.39 | abrotman | is it a 64bit xeon ? |
| 00:44.46 | PumpkinPie | i dont know? |
| 00:45.00 | bulio| | whats the default username in apache2 for debian |
| 00:45.04 | abrotman | www-data |
| 00:45.12 | shingouz | jfc, i'm getting a bit green of envy. dual xeon with 6gb. damn |
| 00:45.12 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: are you sure it's 6GB and not 4GB ? |
| 00:45.17 | bulio| | thanks |
| 00:45.27 | PumpkinPie | I have 6 gigs in there.. bios registers 6 gigs as well |
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| 00:45.42 | Alexismoy | Hi |
| 00:45.44 | Alexismoy | I can't find kernel-source with apt-get |
| 00:45.49 | Alexismoy | What's the mistake? |
| 00:46.00 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags |
| 00:46.07 | abrotman | argh .. uuoc |
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| 00:46.10 | ahlfors | Maybe you want linux-source-VERSION |
| 00:46.12 | shingouz | Alexismoy: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 00:46.23 | shingouz | oh :$ of course |
| 00:46.23 | abrotman | linux-source for etch/sid |
| 00:46.56 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: is there anything specific? I cant copy paste |
| 00:47.01 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 00:47.13 | abrotman | why not? |
| 00:47.33 | shingouz | abrotman begins to sound like he does not have enough caffeine in his bloodstream |
| 00:47.36 | PumpkinPie | uh its just a computer next to me and im looking at it |
| 00:47.39 | bulio| | how can I tell what group www-data is in? |
| 00:47.44 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: it has no intarweb ? |
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| 00:47.55 | pearl | bulio|: adduser www-data group |
| 00:47.59 | abrotman | huh? |
| 00:48.01 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:48.04 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: ah yes one sec |
| 00:48.13 | ahlfors | abrotman, you mean "le intarweb" :) |
| 00:48.20 | pearl | bulio|: ^look at /etc/passwd |
| 00:48.40 | bulio| | doesnt say |
| 00:48.49 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 00:49.02 | bulio| | i see it |
| 00:49.04 | abrotman | it's the fourth column |
| 00:49.05 | bulio| | but not what group |
| 00:49.26 | bulio| | www-data it says |
| 00:50.12 | abrotman | i would guess www-data is in its own group |
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| 00:51.45 | Alexismoy | shingouz, http://paste.uni.cc/10176 |
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| 00:52.48 | shingouz | Alexismoy: linux-source |
| 00:53.06 | Alexismoy | thx |
| 00:53.15 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: where'd you go? |
| 00:53.36 | Alexismoy | shingouz, there is not my version of kernel |
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| 00:53.41 | shingouz | abrotman: on a roadtrip on the information highway? :p |
| 00:53.45 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:53.53 | abrotman | Alexismoy: uname -a |
| 00:54.04 | Alexismoy | 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8 |
| 00:54.15 | abrotman | apt-cache search kernel-source k8 |
| 00:54.43 | Alexismoy | nothing |
| 00:54.45 | shingouz | i am beginning to get a strange feeling that we will have to support a kernel build pretty soon here |
| 00:54.47 | PumpkinPie | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid |
| 00:54.49 | Alexismoy | as I said |
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| 00:55.11 | PumpkinPie | I was confused between just logging in from this computer or sending out data from that computer |
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| 00:55.49 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:56.03 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: what's the model name ? |
| 00:56.25 | PumpkinPie | model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.66GHz |
| 00:56.43 | PumpkinPie | should I get the kernel you suggested? |
| 00:57.30 | abrotman | yeah .. i don't think that's 64bit |
| 00:57.45 | PumpkinPie | I didn't think using 6 gigs is a problem |
| 00:57.45 | abrotman | and .. i'm not sure a 32bit cpu can address more than 4GB |
| 00:58.05 | PumpkinPie | well it has like 8 ram slots come on lol |
| 00:58.14 | abrotman | 512MB per slot |
| 00:58.30 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: is it HP/Dell/IBM etc ? |
| 00:58.47 | PumpkinPie | intel server board? |
| 00:58.51 | shingouz | PumpkinPie: eight ram slots are pretty common on servers. i have a few old ibm servers with eight slots and they are p1 :) |
| 00:59.04 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: did you build it? or is it built by a big company ? |
| 00:59.16 | abrotman | shingouz: i saw a ... 486 i think .. with like 16 slots :) |
| 00:59.27 | PumpkinPie | the company is Rackable Systems, white labeled tho |
| 00:59.28 | shingouz | yup, they are cool |
| 00:59.31 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 00:59.40 | abrotman | kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 00:59.42 | Guerin | ~time |
| 00:59.44 | apt | 2006.09.18 0:59:44 GMT |
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| 00:59.45 | PumpkinPie | ok |
| 00:59.55 | Guerin | hm, my clock does appear to be correct. |
| 00:59.56 | shingouz | abrotman: the ultimate exotic pc would probably be the dual 486 proliant |
| 01:00.09 | abrotman | shingouz: dunno about the ultimate ... |
| 01:00.28 | shingouz | welll... ultimate as in not too common |
| 01:00.44 | Alexismoy | I don't really know how to get sources |
| 01:00.48 | ahlfors | linux has himem support, so it can handle > 4gb on 32-bit systems. It uses some inefficient tricks, however. http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450 |
| 01:00.59 | abrotman | ahlfors: PAE sucks! :) |
| 01:01.10 | ahlfors | abrotman, yup |
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| 01:01.13 | abrotman | ahlfors: we know linux can .. but can a 32bit ssystem actually use it ? |
| 01:01.18 | struct | PAE? |
| 01:01.45 | ahlfors | Yes, but I guess a single process can't use more than 4GB. |
| 01:01.50 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 01:01.52 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: why when you apt-get that kernel its only a partial version number? who makes the determination to leave things out like 2.6.x where x would be 8 |
| 01:02.11 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: it's a virtual pckage .. to make sure you get security updates etc |
| 01:02.12 | xaque | is there a way to disable locales altogether |
| 01:02.27 | abrotman | no |
| 01:02.46 | xaque | does locales have anything to do with the kernel? |
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| 01:03.05 | shingouz | Alexismoy: what is the problem in anycase, i can get multiple hits on linux-source on my box |
| 01:03.08 | jetscreamer | language |
| 01:03.11 | abrotman | xaque: you need them |
| 01:03.14 | jetscreamer | take some locales out |
| 01:03.17 | jetscreamer | if you don't use em |
| 01:03.34 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:03.36 | xaque | I only have one selected |
| 01:03.36 | jetscreamer | also |
| 01:03.39 | struct | anyone want to recommend a good dvd burner? |
| 01:03.41 | ahlfors | why are you worried about locales again? |
| 01:03.45 | jetscreamer | !info localepurge |
| 01:03.50 | dpkg | localepurge: (Automagically remove unnecessary locale data), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.5.6 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 86 kB |
| 01:04.04 | Alexismoy | shingouz, I need source to compile module |
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| 01:04.15 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: I should reboot yes? |
| 01:04.23 | xaque | When apt is doing things, I get all these perl warnings about locale varables; language, lc_all and lang |
| 01:04.27 | shingouz | Alexismoy: and what kernel you use? |
| 01:04.28 | abrotman | well .. i mean .. otherwise you won't be able to use it :) |
| 01:04.35 | xaque | I get so many of them, I can't even watch what apt is doing |
| 01:04.37 | xaque | its anoying |
| 01:04.52 | jetscreamer | xaque: usuall i do dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data and it goes away |
| 01:04.52 | Alexismoy | shingouz, 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8 from debian |
| 01:05.15 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: how do you know of that virtual package? |
| 01:05.20 | jetscreamer | see also /etc/environment i think |
| 01:05.33 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: uhm .. i'm smarter than you? :) |
| 01:05.45 | shingouz | Alexismoy: hmmm... i think you should check modules-assistant first |
| 01:05.52 | ahlfors | jetscreamer, hey thanks for the tip about localpurge |
| 01:05.57 | jetscreamer | i use it |
| 01:05.58 | struct | guess |
| 01:06.01 | struct | not |
| 01:06.11 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: there should be some more standardized way of knowing about them other then 'im smarter then you' you know? |
| 01:06.11 | abrotman | struct: hardware or software? |
| 01:06.11 | jetscreamer | one thing |
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| 01:06.29 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 .. you'll see a lot .. you can read the description for them |
| 01:06.34 | jetscreamer | if you take away the man pages there's something reported in some dpkg -l or -L but i never care |
| 01:06.36 | Alexismoy | shingouz, I'm not going to install the module with module-assistant |
| 01:06.41 | ahlfors | s/local/locale/ I guess "localpurge" would be a package that purges all local data, which is not good. :) |
| 01:06.41 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: ok |
| 01:06.50 | struct | abrotman: dvd burner hardware |
| 01:06.53 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: i don't remember when i found out about it ... |
| 01:06.53 | struct | abrotman: a drive |
| 01:06.55 | abrotman | struct: oh .. nfc |
| 01:07.01 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: a while ago probably |
| 01:07.02 | jetscreamer | i forget where it is.. maybe when it checks something... it says that the manpages aren't there.. but it's been a while since i saw it |
| 01:07.16 | struct | abrotman: I have liteon right now but its acting up and its relativly new so im looking for something more reliable |
| 01:07.22 | jetscreamer | no just the locale data you want gone that you don't use |
| 01:07.24 | shingouz | Alexismoy: how about upgrading the kernel to something not so old, then installing the module you need? |
| 01:07.30 | jetscreamer | ie what you chose |
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| 01:07.41 | jetscreamer | course if you chose all.... oops |
| 01:07.54 | abrotman | struct: pcworld.com .. maybe? ask #hardware ? |
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| 01:08.38 | Alexismoy | shingouz, I don't think there is a more recent debian kernel that support k8 |
| 01:09.01 | abrotman | struct: http://pcworld.com/article/id,123931;page,1/article.html |
| 01:09.16 | shingouz | guessing. i fucking love guessing |
| 01:09.30 | abrotman | oh oh .. guessing! |
| 01:09.45 | PumpkinPie | now Im getting MemTotal: 3894884 kB 3.9 gigs? not being able to install more then that is ridiculous!? |
| 01:10.28 | struct | abrotman: thanks looking now |
| 01:10.42 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: i'm really not sure it will address 6GB anyways .. |
| 01:10.42 | shingouz | PumpkinPie: stop complaining, your computer has more ram than a few of my computers have hd :) |
| 01:10.50 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: anyways .. if you want more .. you'll have to compile your own |
| 01:10.52 | xaque | what is the package for nvidia drivers? |
| 01:11.00 | abrotman | !tell xaque about nvidia one-liner |
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| 01:11.40 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: and you'll have to do CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y |
| 01:12.08 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: but before you do that .. i'd make really damn sure the CPU can address 6GB |
| 01:12.17 | PumpkinPie | theres more then one kind of HIMEM support? |
| 01:12.27 | amphi | PumpkinPie: yup |
| 01:12.50 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: yes .. because each level is an additional performance hit |
| 01:12.59 | amphi | .8 - 4GB and 4 - 64GB IIRC |
| 01:13.02 | xaque | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:13.04 | PumpkinPie | my bios counts 6 gigs, does that count for anything? |
| 01:13.13 | abrotman | not sure honestly |
| 01:13.25 | abrotman | i really thought a 32bit cpu could only address 4GB |
| 01:13.36 | ahlfors | Yeah, it's like "how hard do I need to work?" (64GB = very) |
| 01:13.57 | abrotman | !tell PumpkinPie about kp |
| 01:14.14 | PumpkinPie | ah man |
| 01:14.39 | PumpkinPie | isn't there a recompiled high memory solution |
| 01:14.46 | ahlfors | !tell ahlfors about kp |
| 01:14.49 | PumpkinPie | precompiled |
| 01:14.52 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: in your situation .. it'll be easy |
| 01:14.57 | abrotman | !tell ahlfors about selftell |
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| 01:16.32 | Dewi | abrotman: I'm not sure if virtualisation helps in some way |
| 01:16.33 | PumpkinPie | abortman: but is it useless if a 32 bit processor cant address more then 4 gigs? |
| 01:16.44 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: the PAE article suggests it can |
| 01:16.48 | Dewi | abrotman: any one process could only see 4gb but perhaps the OS is capable of trickery? |
| 01:17.09 | abrotman | Dewi: there's all kinds of goofy rules AFAIK |
| 01:17.18 | PumpkinPie | abortman: PAE article? |
| 01:17.45 | shingouz | PumpkinPie: you are running such hardware that most of us has never even seen. do a custom kernel and see what happens your box should be able to compile a kernel before you can get a fresh cup of coffee |
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| 01:17.59 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
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| 01:18.14 | abrotman | shingouz: if he sets the CONCURRENCY option :) |
| 01:19.42 | ahlfors | Yeah this sounds like some serious hardware. Why are you reluctant to compile the kernel? |
| 01:19.52 | shingouz | abrotman: true |
| 01:20.07 | PumpkinPie | CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y is where? |
| 01:20.08 | shingouz | abrotman: otoh, that cpu is pretty fast even alone |
| 01:20.19 | shingouz | PumpkinPie: make menuconfig |
| 01:20.20 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: in the config :) |
| 01:20.29 | PumpkinPie | oh yeah |
| 01:21.20 | ahlfors | It's under "Processor type and features" |
| 01:21.47 | xaque | how do I get the nvidia driver in etch. abrotman : I have done the oneliner thing and it failed, but I think its because of etch |
| 01:22.00 | abrotman | !etch nvidia |
| 01:22.01 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
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| 01:23.33 | PumpkinPie | oh god im lazy.. ill take the memory out and put it in some other computer |
| 01:23.56 | PumpkinPie | i have a few other of these exact computers to see if they can use some |
| 01:24.05 | ahlfors | PumpkinPie, is this just a system you're fscking around with on your own? |
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| 01:24.25 | PumpkinPie | yep |
| 01:24.57 | ahlfors | Feel free to just mail me the extra ram and a CPU or two if they are causing problems, then. |
| 01:25.12 | PumpkinPie | nah |
| 01:25.40 | shingouz | ahlfors: stop being so modest, ask for the whole box while you are at it |
| 01:26.44 | ahlfors | shingouz, but if I had the whole box, I might have to recompile the kernel. |
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| 01:27.03 | PumpkinPie | I have three of these rackable systems computers, 10,000 rpm scsi, 500 gb IDE (one sata), 4 1 gigabit ethernet |
| 01:27.13 | shingouz | ahlfors: so? |
| 01:27.24 | shingouz | PumpkinPie: stop stop you are hurting my head :D |
| 01:27.39 | ahlfors | shingouz, I was jk |
| 01:27.54 | shingouz | ahlfors: i know' |
| 01:27.58 | PumpkinPie | 1U 14 inches deep, designed to be doubled on in a 1U space so you can fit two of them in a 1u |
| 01:28.19 | shingouz | PumpkinPie: nice desktop |
| 01:28.32 | PumpkinPie | its a server |
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| 01:28.52 | shingouz | PumpkinPie: which could so easily be misappropriated as a desktop |
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| 01:29.13 | abrotman | strap it to the bottom of a table |
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| 01:29.53 | PumpkinPie | I would maybe do that but its too loud believe it or not. I can hear it in other rooms with the door closed |
| 01:30.09 | PumpkinPie | just one of them |
| 01:30.20 | abrotman | slow the fans down |
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| 01:30.26 | RnB-Tunes | http://www.rnb-tunes.dl.am <- new update! HOT RnB Tracks & Music Vids to Download! Check it out ;) |
| 01:30.28 | RnB-Tunes | http://www.rnb-tunes.dl.am <- new update! HOT RnB Tracks & Music Vids to Download! Check it out ;) |
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| 01:30.38 | RnB-Tunes | http://www.rnb-tunes.dl.am <- new update! HOT RnB Tracks & Music Vids to Download! Check it out ;) |
| 01:30.38 | CHodapp | RnB-Tunes, leave. |
| 01:30.40 | RnB-Tunes | http://www.rnb-tunes.dl.am <- new update! HOT RnB Tracks & Music Vids to Download! Check it out ;) |
| 01:30.42 | shingouz | PumpkinPie: and cluster them. with distcc you could get some really nice compile times |
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| 01:30.43 | abrotman | !ops RnB-Tunes spamming |
| 01:30.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: RnB-Tunes spamming |
| 01:30.52 | abrotman | grrrr |
| 01:31.00 | abrotman | sorry |
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| 01:32.04 | magyar | hee-haa |
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| 01:35.46 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice abrotman |
| 01:36.07 | abrotman | uugachaka uugachaka |
| 01:36.15 | jetscreamer | do not trouble the gods needlessly |
| 01:36.26 | abrotman | huh? |
| 01:36.39 | jetscreamer | oh wait it was just the ops nm.... ooops sorry bout the sacrifice... |
| 01:36.51 | jetscreamer | too bad YOU'RE DEAD |
| 01:36.56 | jetscreamer | ops |
| 01:37.00 | jetscreamer | ooops |
| 01:37.38 | magyar | the website is there but no whois for it it says "Wrong second level domain name" grrrrrr |
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| 01:39.03 | dhuv | hello all, I have a T42 with an ati radeon 9600 graphics chipset and decided to try out the ati binary driver in testing |
| 01:39.18 | magyar | o why |
| 01:39.21 | dhuv | it works the screen flickers |
| 01:39.50 | magyar | my point |
| 01:39.50 | dhuv | does anybody know how to fix this? any docs on things to try? |
| 01:40.10 | dhuv | magyar: resuming from standby actually works with the ati driver and not the radeon opensource driver |
| 01:40.15 | dhuv | and 3d is much better |
| 01:40.20 | abrotman | tried asking #ati ? |
| 01:40.42 | dhuv | I will try now |
| 01:40.48 | dhuv | thanks |
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| 01:42.06 | magyar | "resuming from stand by" on laptop? |
| 01:42.45 | magyar | with an explosive dell battery |
| 01:42.49 | magyar | :) |
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| 02:07.59 | ahattar | question installed vncserver ok, when I try to connect to it I get prompted for the password i enter it correctly and I always get authentication failure |
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| 02:12.33 | ahattar | hi room |
| 02:12.46 | abrotman | !room |
| 02:12.46 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 02:12.48 | jetscreamer | might be a pam thing i know nothing though |
| 02:13.42 | ahattar | anyone familier with vnc? |
| 02:13.54 | pipeline | ahattar: Don't use it. Enable X11 over SSH instead. |
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| 02:14.08 | pipeline | ahattar: Alternatively, there's that NoMachine product folks are always raving about. |
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| 02:14.17 | ahattar | how pipeline? |
| 02:14.32 | pipeline | ahattar: (If you need vnc's session functions, use xmove over X11-on-SSH.) |
| 02:14.41 | pipeline | ahattar: Google can explain to you how to enable X11 forwarding with SSH. |
| 02:14.52 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 02:14.52 | dpkg | sshx is probably Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 02:16.05 | ChrisWhite | pipeline: you mean nx server? |
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| 02:18.14 | abrotman | he meant X over ssh |
| 02:18.25 | ChrisWhite | there's that NoMachine product folks are always raving about. |
| 02:18.30 | ChrisWhite | I was refering to that line |
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| 02:19.14 | abrotman | he wasn't |
| 02:19.59 | ChrisWhite | I haven't used x over ssh, so I can't comment on that much, but with nx things are forwarded over as x over ssh would be, but it maintains the connection to the x server |
| 02:20.08 | ChrisWhite | so things can go on in the background even if you're not connected |
| 02:20.19 | abrotman | that made no sense :) |
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| 02:21.57 | giorgian | hi. is there a way to free the swap? |
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| 02:22.15 | ChrisWhite | don't know what else to tell you, that's what it does |
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| 02:22.47 | tuv | giorgian, close apps that are using it |
| 02:23.09 | abrotman | giorgian: why? |
| 02:23.12 | buggarage | giorgian: swapoff your device, reformat then remount |
| 02:23.21 | abrotman | giorgian: paste the output of 'free' |
| 02:23.23 | abrotman | !paster |
| 02:23.23 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 02:23.42 | giorgian | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.42 | giorgian | Mem: 451928 218740 233188 0 8596 68788 |
| 02:23.42 | giorgian | -/+ buffers/cache: 141356 310572 |
| 02:23.43 | giorgian | Swap: 971924 175036 796888 |
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| 02:23.54 | giorgian | ops sorry |
| 02:23.55 | webfreak | ... |
| 02:24.14 | abrotman | i don't see a problem |
| 02:24.24 | giorgian | i opened many apps, now i killed them, still the swap is used... why? |
| 02:24.32 | JJ|Laptop | anyone here ever used pvpgn on debian? |
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| 02:24.39 | abrotman | hasn't been freed up yet .. not a big deal .. you have free physical RAM anyways |
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| 02:25.17 | giorgian | abrotman: but it seems that things are slower than usually... |
| 02:25.27 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:25.33 | abrotman | maybe something is using CPU time |
| 02:25.37 | abrotman | your ram/swap is fine |
| 02:31.17 | buggarage | swapoooooofff, swaaaaappuuuuuuffff, wapssssuuuuuuuu miau |
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| 02:31.26 | PumpkinPie | i put 7 gigs in a box with "fedora" and if it registers 7 gigs in the O/S someone is gonna get a black eye |
| 02:31.54 | abrotman | huh? |
| 02:31.57 | Xorm | huh? |
| 02:32.08 | PumpkinPie | lol it has 2.6.10 |
| 02:32.10 | abrotman | i told you it looked pretty likely it would work |
| 02:32.12 | PumpkinPie | default install |
| 02:32.19 | PumpkinPie | yeah but I did not configuration |
| 02:32.21 | abrotman | you just have to compile your own if you want it |
| 02:32.24 | teksimian | my sound is b0rked. :-/ works in freebsd, but not debian. all the proper modules are loaded. im thinking its because theres no /dev/dsp0. but theres a /dev/dsp. im using udev with 2.6.16. |
| 02:32.51 | Xorm | /dev/dsp is what myd evice usually is. |
| 02:33.13 | teksimian | hrm. then i dont know why its not working :( |
| 02:33.24 | abrotman | what about it doesn't work ? |
| 02:33.35 | teksimian | no sound comes out of the speakers. |
| 02:33.42 | amphi | teksimian: the channels aren't muted? ;) |
| 02:33.45 | abrotman | at all? |
| 02:33.48 | abrotman | teksimian: uname -a |
| 02:33.49 | Dewi | teksimian: have you checked the volume? |
| 02:33.56 | teksimian | mpg321 *.mp3 decodes |
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| 02:34.08 | teksimian | well, i was using beep-media-player2 and the sound was set to max. |
| 02:34.17 | abrotman | which kernel? |
| 02:34.22 | teksimian | tek@debian:~$ uname -a |
| 02:34.22 | teksimian | Linux debian 2.6.16-2-686 #1 Fri Aug 18 19:01:49 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:34.23 | abrotman | OSS or ALSA ? |
| 02:34.26 | Dewi | teksimian: this should tell you two things; whether channels are muted and whether your card is accessible enough to change volume |
| 02:34.28 | abrotman | oh yeah .. you said that ... |
| 02:34.30 | PumpkinPie | Memtotal: 7274744 ... why does this default fedora installed box register just fine :( withut any modification |
| 02:34.38 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 02:34.41 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 02:34.42 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 02:34.53 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: ask #fedora |
| 02:34.53 | Dewi | PumpkinPie: what's the problem? |
| 02:35.11 | PumpkinPie | Dewi: I have to recompile the kernel to do that on debian |
| 02:35.14 | abrotman | Dewi: the kenrels in debian aren't set for 64GB |
| 02:35.25 | Dewi | aah. |
| 02:35.39 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: then use fedora and quit whining .. or get compiling |
| 02:35.46 | PumpkinPie | haha |
| 02:36.08 | PumpkinPie | Im not sure how to recompile.. the dpkg bot only told me half the story |
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| 02:36.26 | abrotman | !tell PumpkinPie about kp |
| 02:36.31 | PumpkinPie | etch default you think has 64 gb spoort ? |
| 02:36.37 | abrotman | no |
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| 02:38.43 | teksimian | abrotman, Dewi, thanks guys, added my user to audio, and ran alsaconf. works great now. :) |
| 02:39.13 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:39.50 | Dewi | teksimian: cool |
| 02:42.19 | teksimian | I dont know too much about how testing works, but many apps seem to be missing. stable is dated imo, how unstable is unstable? ;p |
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| 02:45.39 | abrotman | teksimian: it can break badly sometimes |
| 02:45.43 | abrotman | teksimian: what apps are missing ? |
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| 02:47.38 | Dewi | even testing breaks occasionally, though probably not again until next release |
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| 02:48.16 | teksimian | meh, a bunch. i grabbed them from unstable tho, seems to work. ... what toolkit is oo2 using, looks like QT. can i get it linked to gtk2? |
| 02:48.52 | chris_startx | Hello people! Anyone has any idea where I could find python2.3-dev_2.3.5-6 (no longer on servers...)? |
| 02:49.23 | chris_startx | any chance I could find some old snaphot somewhere? |
| 02:49.24 | abrotman | for knoppix ? |
| 02:49.30 | chris_startx | no, for debian |
| 02:49.35 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 02:49.35 | dpkg | i heard sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 02:49.46 | abrotman | teksimian: doesn't it use swt ? |
| 02:50.01 | findme | I am trying to install dvdrip and I am hitting lot of dependencies. Any thoughts? dvdrip: Depends: gtk2-ex-formfactory-perl (>= 0.65) |
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| 02:51.04 | teksimian | i can too! looks like theres a openoffice.org-gtk package. awesome. |
| 02:51.16 | abrotman | findme: running unstable ? |
| 02:51.27 | abrotman | i thought OO was swt .. oh well |
| 02:51.29 | findme | abrotman, yes, is that the issue. |
| 02:51.41 | abrotman | probably .. might get fixed in the next pulse |
| 02:51.55 | findme | abrotman, ah ok. thanks. |
| 02:52.13 | abrotman | !info gtk2-ex-formfactory-perl sid |
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| 02:53.21 | PumpkinPie | abortman: is there something different about how this guy added 64GB support? http://debian.feedjack.org/user/309/ |
| 02:53.42 | PumpkinPie | "quasi-custom" kernel |
| 02:53.52 | abrotman | different from what? |
| 02:54.04 | PumpkinPie | I dont want to answer a billion and 1 questions.. which is the way I think you lead me ? |
| 02:54.19 | abrotman | not exactly the way i'd do it .. |
| 02:54.24 | abrotman | but that is one way |
| 02:54.58 | PumpkinPie | the way dkpg described to me would be more work because I have to configure _everything_ |
| 02:55.06 | abrotman | no you don't |
| 02:55.12 | abrotman | not even close |
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| 02:55.26 | PumpkinPie | ok |
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| 02:55.58 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 .. go to the dir .. copy your current config to .config .. edit it .. make it 64GB .. make-kpkg --initrd binary |
| 02:56.59 | PumpkinPie | thats it? |
| 02:57.23 | abrotman | well .. you might want to set CONCURRENCY in your make-kpkg conf file |
| 02:57.42 | PumpkinPie | why? |
| 02:57.54 | abrotman | you have two processors |
| 02:57.59 | abrotman | otherwise it will only use one cpu |
| 02:58.21 | abrotman | man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 02:58.35 | abrotman | erm .. wait |
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| 02:59.08 | PumpkinPie | I recompiled a kernel once.. my keyboard stopped working when I rebooted and I had to use a usb keyboard.. network drivers were left out.. it was a mess |
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| 02:59.37 | abrotman | it's CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 02:59.53 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: what did i say before about whining? |
| 03:00.16 | PumpkinPie | so its going to be like a default install but just with 64GB enabled? |
| 03:00.29 | PumpkinPie | things arn't going to be missing? |
| 03:00.33 | abrotman | it should be .. if you do it correctly |
| 03:00.41 | abrotman | you mean also want to look at --append-to-version |
| 03:00.56 | PumpkinPie | why? |
| 03:01.25 | ahlfors | hey what's the best practice for setting append-to-version? I often shove the date and hostname in there. |
| 03:01.28 | abrotman | so you can make it kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp.PumpkinPieIsGod |
| 03:01.31 | abrotman | kind of thing |
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| 03:01.57 | PumpkinPie | ok |
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| 03:02.12 | Tenkawa | hey whats the procedure to replicate a machines dpkg list ? |
| 03:02.22 | Tenkawa | I use to know but have forgotten |
| 03:02.23 | Roey | abrotman: I thought this'd be useful sometimes for these chats here: http://roey.freeshell.org/mystuff/humor/macros/wonka-youlose2.gif |
| 03:02.27 | stew | Tenkawa: /msg dpkg selections |
| 03:02.32 | Tenkawa | thanks |
| 03:03.12 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 03:03.12 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
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| 03:03.45 | stew | abrotman: can you help me get xgl running on my knoppix in vmware? |
| 03:03.46 | abrotman | Roey: maybe |
| 03:03.50 | Roey | =) |
| 03:03.53 | abrotman | stew: you clearly need elive |
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| 03:04.04 | Tenkawa | thanks all.. cheers |
| 03:04.22 | abrotman | stew: got floors yet? |
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| 03:04.41 | stew | abrotman: 1/2 now has subfloor |
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| 03:05.03 | Roey | abrotman: GOOD NIGHT sir! |
| 03:05.08 | abrotman | night Roey |
| 03:05.11 | Roey | =) |
| 03:05.20 | stew | abrotman: we filled 17 contractor bags with yard waste today |
| 03:05.21 | abrotman | stew: you going to make it WWC or HWF ? |
| 03:05.32 | abrotman | yard waste? |
| 03:05.43 | abrotman | wtf is in your yard? |
| 03:05.46 | stew | abrotman: hwf, tile in the kitchen |
| 03:05.58 | stew | abrotman: before today we didn't have a yard, we had a jungle |
| 03:06.06 | stew | not yet |
| 03:06.20 | abrotman | stew: oh .. old growth forest eh? :) |
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| 03:06.26 | stew | i'll probably have a bbq and not invite you in a couple of weeks |
| 03:06.32 | abrotman | ok .. sounds good |
| 03:06.33 | stew | basically |
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| 03:07.13 | abrotman | stew: can't you do slash and burn in the city? |
| 03:07.20 | PumpkinPie | what about installing a 64 bit kernel image? |
| 03:07.26 | abrotman | why? |
| 03:07.27 | PumpkinPie | on my 32 bit machine |
| 03:07.32 | abrotman | oh yeah .. great idea |
| 03:07.33 | PumpkinPie | should it work? |
| 03:07.37 | abrotman | no .. duh |
| 03:07.41 | teksimian | abrotman, vlc for one app thats missing. |
| 03:07.43 | PumpkinPie | ok |
| 03:07.49 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 03:07.50 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
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| 03:08.46 | abrotman | stew: is the mrs yelling at the tv ? |
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| 03:10.03 | sanmarcos | In english, how do you say the following characters, : ; _ - / # % ^ ( ) [ ] { } |
| 03:10.28 | ahlfors | most of these depend upon context, sanmarcos. example of something you want to read? |
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| 03:10.46 | sanmarcos | no, for example when telling a coworker to type something, or even reading it |
| 03:10.47 | abrotman | colon semicolon underscore hyphen slash hash/pound percent caret parenthesis parenthesis bracket bracket brace brace |
| 03:11.02 | PumpkinPie | .config "HIGHMEM6" not found |
| 03:11.08 | sanmarcos | thank you, abrotman :) |
| 03:11.10 | abrotman | i think you can figure out the left/right items :) |
| 03:11.26 | ahlfors | lol oops I thought this was #math. Yeah, what abrotman said. |
| 03:11.30 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set |
| 03:11.59 | abrotman | actually hyphen/dash .. but whatever |
| 03:12.06 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: should the file be /usr/share/kernel-package/.config ? |
| 03:12.37 | abrotman | no ..it should be where the kernel source is |
| 03:12.55 | PumpkinPie | do I have that? |
| 03:13.07 | abrotman | did you install the kernel-source package? |
| 03:13.12 | teksimian | abrotman, so once dbus goes to 10 days, vlc should start to count days and go in after 10? |
| 03:13.15 | PumpkinPie | you didn't tell me to |
| 03:13.48 | abrotman | teksimian: eh .. i think there is an RC bug on it |
| 03:13.51 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: i did |
| 03:14.17 | PumpkinPie | ok |
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| 03:14.42 | abrotman | you'll have to download it and untar it |
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| 03:16.28 | chris_startx | abrotman: THANKS A LOT MAN, I FOUND THE SO MUCH NEEDED PYTHON!!!! YEEEEE!!! |
| 03:16.40 | abrotman | chris_startx: ? |
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| 03:16.56 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 03:17.01 | abrotman | you're welcome |
| 03:17.02 | chris_startx | YES |
| 03:17.07 | abrotman | stop shouting please :) |
| 03:17.12 | chris_startx | ok, sorry |
| 03:17.20 | chris_startx | forgot about the caps |
| 03:17.42 | abrotman | oh ffs .. this is going extra innings |
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| 03:18.54 | stew | abrotman: no, she's asleep, and has completely given up on baseball for the season it seems |
| 03:19.11 | abrotman | stew: it's a good game .. myers just wild-pitched the tying run in :) |
| 03:19.28 | PumpkinPie | where in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/ is "config" ? I cant find it |
| 03:19.43 | abrotman | it would be .config |
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| 03:20.39 | PumpkinPie | in which directory? |
| 03:21.07 | abrotman | that one |
| 03:21.13 | abrotman | copy it from /boot |
| 03:21.34 | abrotman | cp /boot/config-2.6.8-3-686-smp /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/.config |
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| 03:21.43 | PumpkinPie | I see |
| 03:21.49 | PumpkinPie | it didn't come with a .config file tho |
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| 03:22.07 | abrotman | nope |
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| 03:22.37 | PumpkinPie | what is this? |
| 03:22.38 | PumpkinPie | # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set |
| 03:22.40 | cr3 | I accidentally tried to purge a package but it had dependencies. now, dpkg -l outputs a status of "pi". how can I set it to "ii" again? |
| 03:22.50 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: so set it .. duh |
| 03:22.57 | abrotman | that's the entire thing you're changing |
| 03:23.09 | abrotman | cr3: apt-get install <pkg> |
| 03:23.16 | Cuddles_in_K1 | folks, does anyone here know anything about setting up mythtv? the mythtv-users channel is zero help. |
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| 03:24.13 | PumpkinPie | "CONCURRENC" not found ] |
| 03:24.20 | PumpkinPie | ? |
| 03:24.29 | abrotman | it won't be .. that's in another file |
| 03:24.37 | abrotman | /etc/kernel-pkg.conf |
| 03:24.45 | dan2 | abrotman: yup, dallas wins 7+ |
| 03:24.47 | dan2 | ;) |
| 03:24.59 | abrotman | dan2: big +++ |
| 03:25.13 | dan2 | abrotman: I know, I made my bet that they win by 7 or more tho |
| 03:25.17 | abrotman | dan2: washington kind of sucks .. wasn't brain surgery to see it was a safe bet they'd win |
| 03:25.22 | cr3 | abrotman: I get the message that package is already the newest version |
| 03:25.25 | dan2 | abrotman: that'll cover my loss on the eagles |
| 03:25.28 | abrotman | cr3: --reinstall |
| 03:25.38 | abrotman | dan2: you tard .. you bet for the eagles .. wtf |
| 03:25.38 | dan2 | abrotman: ending the week even |
| 03:25.46 | cr3 | abrotman: cool! thanks |
| 03:25.52 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: its not in kernel-pkg.conf either |
| 03:26.08 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: put it there .. CONCURRENCY_LEVEL = 3 |
| 03:26.32 | PumpkinPie | whats the 3 mean? |
| 03:27.00 | abrotman | will go three threads instead of one |
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| 03:27.14 | PumpkinPie | but I have 2 processors? |
| 03:27.17 | abrotman | that's ok |
| 03:27.25 | dan2 | abrotman: I think the dumber thing was that I didn't bet that the eagles games was going to exceed 40 pts |
| 03:27.30 | abrotman | pick two or three .. i'd pick three myself |
| 03:27.33 | PumpkinPie | whats the difference if I use 9? |
| 03:27.39 | ahlfors | I have 2 cpus and find that CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=4 maxes them out best |
| 03:27.41 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: don't do that |
| 03:28.01 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: if you make it too high .. it just makes it slower .. i find n+1 to work the best |
| 03:28.13 | abrotman | and still allow you to do other stuff on the system |
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| 03:28.42 | PumpkinPie | why does it seem for ahlfors that 4 maxes out best? |
| 03:29.08 | abrotman | i like to still have a responsive system while it's building .. use 2,3, or 4 |
| 03:29.10 | ahlfors | I have no solid evidence, but when I used '3' I sometimes saw dips in the CPU usage below 100% |
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| 03:29.44 | PumpkinPie | ahlfors: probably want to use 3 then? |
| 03:29.49 | abrotman | up to you |
| 03:29.49 | ahlfors | It is entirely possible that using 3 actually saves a bit of compile time, I dunno. |
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| 03:30.15 | Madeye | guys, I keep getting this error by email http://channels.debian.net/paste/3771 any idea what's wrong and how to fix it? |
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| 03:30.20 | PumpkinPie | if CONCURRENCY_LEVEL is not set it wont use both processors at all ? |
| 03:30.27 | ahlfors | correct |
| 03:30.27 | abrotman | nope |
| 03:30.28 | tux | my compose key has not been working for half a year |
| 03:30.33 | tux | I now use 2.14.3. anyone can give me a clue? thank you. |
| 03:30.39 | tux | though i setup it in gnome-keyboard-properties |
| 03:30.45 | PumpkinPie | then why isn't it set right now? and it is using both processors |
| 03:31.04 | PumpkinPie | I installed the smp kernel image |
| 03:31.13 | abrotman | it is or isn't ? |
| 03:31.20 | PumpkinPie | it is |
| 03:31.57 | PumpkinPie | ah damn |
| 03:31.57 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:31.57 | PumpkinPie | maybe its not? I installed the smp kernel image tho |
| 03:31.57 | abrotman | one has nothing to do with the other |
| 03:31.57 | ahlfors | It usually isn't set by default, regardless of your SMP kernel. |
| 03:32.24 | PumpkinPie | Ive installed debian other smp boxes and it defaultly uses both processors |
| 03:32.51 | ahlfors | CONCURRENCY_LEVEL is to make the kernel build process use both CPUs by running two instances of gcc at once. |
| 03:33.00 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: why do you keep arguing ? |
| 03:33.17 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: just trying to understand why |
| 03:33.19 | dondelelcaro | PumpkinPie: both processors will be used, but only a single make will be running at a time |
| 03:33.36 | PumpkinPie | ok |
| 03:33.36 | ahlfors | of course linux knows about both CPUs if you have an SMP kernel, but the kernel build system doesn't know to try compiling two files at once unless you tell it |
| 03:33.58 | PumpkinPie | so should you ALWAYS recompile when ever you have more then one processor? |
| 03:34.02 | dondelelcaro | (indeed, you may find that a concurrency level 2 or 3 times the number of CPUs you have is fastest... it really depends.) |
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| 03:34.11 | dondelelcaro | PumpkinPie: no, you don't need to recompile. |
| 03:34.23 | dan2 | abrotman: alright, I'm converting to becoming a cowboys fan |
| 03:34.24 | dondelelcaro | PumpkinPie: you can just use the -smp kernels that Debian distributes |
| 03:34.27 | abrotman | dan2: hehe |
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| 03:34.59 | PumpkinPie | dondelelcaro: so default installion of debian will make use of both processors? that didn't happen today when I installed R2.. why? |
| 03:35.05 | dan2 | abrotman: they deliver |
| 03:35.16 | abrotman | no .. the default install installs a UP -386 kernel |
| 03:35.31 | abrotman | dan2: so does The Noid |
| 03:35.41 | dan2 | the noid? |
| 03:35.43 | PumpkinPie | err no I did "linux26" on the install command line |
| 03:35.49 | ahlfors | avoid the noid! |
| 03:35.51 | abrotman | raise your hand if you remember the noid :) |
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| 03:35.55 | PumpkinPie | is there something else I can type for smp? |
| 03:36.06 | abrotman | dan2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noid |
| 03:36.14 | Fossilet | hello, |
| 03:36.43 | PumpkinPie | but by default you can count on a debian installion installing a SMP kernel if you have a 2 proc machine? |
| 03:36.48 | abrotman | no |
| 03:37.09 | pipeline | PumpkinPie, abrotman : Etch yes, sarge no. |
| 03:37.30 | abrotman | we're not dealing with etch |
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| 03:37.55 | PumpkinPie | tho in the past it HAS installed a SMP kernel automatically |
| 03:37.59 | PumpkinPie | for me |
| 03:38.06 | abrotman | pipeline: windows really consumes a lot of memory .. don't you agree ? |
| 03:38.09 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: no |
| 03:38.16 | pipeline | abrotman: Are you idling in #classiccmp? :P |
| 03:38.22 | abrotman | pipeline: do you see me there? |
| 03:38.33 | pipeline | abrotman: That doesn't mean anything :P |
| 03:38.53 | abrotman | pipeline: no .. i only have one nick .. why? |
| 03:39.21 | pipeline | abrotman: People just spent several minutes mocking me for my assertion that windows NT does a hell of a lot more with less in a low-memory situation |
| 03:39.35 | abrotman | NT4 or the NT family? |
| 03:39.37 | pipeline | abrotman: So it was my guess that someone nudged you about that |
| 03:39.49 | pipeline | abrotman: err, the current release, 2003. |
| 03:39.57 | abrotman | no f'in way |
| 03:40.05 | pipeline | abrotman: Windows 2000, the last one I had to use with shit for memory, has about 50M resident. |
| 03:40.09 | abrotman | i disagree .. but it's OT here :) |
| 03:40.13 | jetscreamer | new technology technology! |
| 03:40.14 | pipeline | abrotman: That's a web server, a web browser, and a whole graphical desktop. :P |
| 03:40.22 | pipeline | jetscreamer: Northern Telecom Technology! |
| 03:40.22 | jetscreamer | built on nt technology |
| 03:40.33 | pipeline | jetscreamer: En Ten MIPS POWER! |
| 03:40.59 | pipeline | abrotman: I'm sure 2003 is a little different, in that it's a point release on 2000, but it also has many fewer services running by default. |
| 03:41.01 | dan2 | abrotman: the only issue I have with the cowboys is that their official foods aren't cheesesteaks and tastykakes |
| 03:41.06 | PumpkinPie | do I copy kernel-pkg.conf now to my src directory? |
| 03:41.06 | abrotman | i found out the other day that Solaris 2.5.1 runs on PPC |
| 03:41.13 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: no .. leave it in /etc/ |
| 03:41.14 | jetscreamer | no |
| 03:41.14 | dan2 | abrotman: I guess you can only be good at so many things eh? |
| 03:41.24 | pipeline | abrotman: 2.5 did, also. And the 2.6 solaris tree is buildable for PPC, although it was never released. |
| 03:41.26 | abrotman | dan2: i think BBQ wins :) |
| 03:41.37 | abrotman | pipeline: eh .. the intarweb disagrees with you about 2.5 |
| 03:41.37 | dan2 | nah |
| 03:41.44 | pipeline | abrotman: The best thing is the thinkpad 820/850 -- they could run AIX, OS/2-PPC, Windows NT, or Solaris :) |
| 03:41.45 | dan2 | abrotman: bbq is good, but cheesesteak is better |
| 03:41.56 | abrotman | no |
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| 03:42.01 | Guerin | hm, is it possible to pass a --config option to startx ? |
| 03:42.03 | jetscreamer | angus baybe |
| 03:42.04 | Guerin | you know |
| 03:42.12 | pipeline | Guerin: startx is satanic. Don't use it. |
| 03:42.13 | Guerin | to tell it to use a different xorg.conf |
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| 03:42.18 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: im done.. now: make-kpkg --initrd binary ? |
| 03:42.22 | dan2 | abrotman: and, John Kerry is a fuckup for coming to Philly and ordering a cheesesteak with swiss cheese |
| 03:42.26 | Guerin | pipeline: heh. Ok. Just call X manually, then? |
| 03:42.29 | jetscreamer | actually yes i think i read that guerin |
| 03:42.38 | jetscreamer | can't swear though |
| 03:42.39 | abrotman | probably want --append-to-version .. and you'll need to read the make-kpkg man page about that |
| 03:42.44 | peterS | what's the correct sort of cheese to put on a cheesesteak? see, I have no idea |
| 03:42.54 | dan2 | peterS: cheeze whiz or american |
| 03:42.55 | pipeline | Guerin: Yes. /usr/bin/X or whatever is itself an X init script, but it's not as evil as startx. |
| 03:42.56 | jetscreamer | philly cheese of course |
| 03:42.57 | Guerin | peterS: philadelphia cream chease, of course |
| 03:42.57 | abrotman | dan2: not really .. swiss is clearly a superior cheese |
| 03:43.02 | peterS | Guerin: hehe |
| 03:43.11 | dan2 | abrotman: well, I'm not saying that it isn't, but it's not traditional |
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| 03:43.20 | dan2 | abrotman: cheddar is a far superior cheese to both |
| 03:43.24 | abrotman | peterS: anything you like .. most use whiz or american .. provolone is good too .. so is mozerella .. but swiss is rare |
| 03:43.27 | abrotman | dan2: eh .. no |
| 03:43.33 | PumpkinPie | I think its okay to not use --append-to-version right now because Im making like only simple and very general changes. Is that alright? |
| 03:43.46 | abrotman | you do whatever you want |
| 03:43.56 | PumpkinPie | ok now: make-kpkg --initrd binary ? |
| 03:43.57 | jetscreamer | it will bitch |
| 03:43.59 | dan2 | abrotman: but for a cheese steak, I prefer mozzarella |
| 03:44.03 | Guerin | pipeline: X is a binary on my sbox. How do I do stuff like start a windowmanager using X? |
| 03:44.05 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: sure |
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| 03:44.11 | jetscreamer | do make-kpkg --targets and pick one |
| 03:44.13 | Guerin | i know, man xorg |
| 03:44.15 | dan2 | abrotman: american is one of the cheezes I really can't stand |
| 03:44.19 | abrotman | freak |
| 03:44.24 | PumpkinPie | jetscreamer: me? |
| 03:44.39 | jetscreamer | aren't you the only one doing make-kpkg ? |
| 03:44.47 | jetscreamer | that we know of in this chan |
| 03:44.48 | dan2 | abrotman: but does texas have anything to compete with a Wawa hoagie that's toasted? |
| 03:44.55 | jetscreamer | texas is your god |
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| 03:45.01 | jetscreamer | !worship texas |
| 03:45.02 | peterS | I don't care for american cheese either. melted on burgers it ... works ... but swiss or provolone are so much better |
| 03:45.09 | abrotman | dan2: wawa .. sucks .. i mean .. really sucks |
| 03:45.18 | pipeline | Guerin: uhh, set your display? |
| 03:45.20 | dan2 | peterS: can you ban abrotman? |
| 03:45.24 | peterS | dan2: maybe |
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| 03:45.28 | abrotman | dan2: been to a sheetz? |
| 03:45.31 | dan2 | peterS: he just dissed the holy religion of wawa |
| 03:45.40 | abrotman | even sheetz is better .. and they suck too |
| 03:45.44 | dan2 | abrotman: yes, and I like their bavarian pretzel berger |
| 03:45.52 | dan2 | burger |
| 03:46.00 | pipeline | abrotman: awww yeah, pure sex http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:850 |
| 03:46.04 | x_or | I am trying to use debootstrap to install debian into a swap partition. I get the error message at the very end of the output: "E: no /usr/lib/debootstrap/devices.tar.gz. cannot create devices" Can anyone tell me what this means? |
| 03:46.14 | dan2 | abrotman: where are you from? |
| 03:46.18 | dan2 | abrotman: canadia or something? |
| 03:46.19 | abrotman | pipeline: that's bafugly |
| 03:46.21 | dan2 | abrotman: france? |
| 03:46.38 | abrotman | dan2: no .. but i have a tongue that works .. apparently you've been licking toilets |
| 03:46.39 | pipeline | abrotman: well, it's old as fuck. The 800/820 were smaller and a little less fugly. But they didn't have a l33t camera |
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| 03:47.00 | dan2 | abrotman: soon it will be rosh canada |
| 03:47.04 | pipeline | abrotman: And show me a prettier laptop that runs AIX :) |
| 03:47.11 | dan2 | abrotman: because they will have a superior currency to the american peso |
| 03:47.16 | abrotman | pipeline: there are other PPC notebooks |
| 03:47.17 | PumpkinPie | I specify a whole name or just "64gb-smp" and it will include it in the name? |
| 03:47.26 | abrotman | pipeline: from IBM iirc |
| 03:47.35 | abrotman | dan2: huh ? |
| 03:47.40 | pipeline | abrotman: Yeah, the 800/820. But they weren't as cool :P |
| 03:47.46 | dan2 | abrotman: king canada |
| 03:47.51 | x_or | Anyone here talking about debian related things? :) |
| 03:48.03 | pipeline | x_or: Debian runs on PPC laptops. |
| 03:48.26 | Guerin | pipeline: you mean $DISPLAY? |
| 03:48.36 | Kinks | and wrecking balls can take down flag poles, it doesn't make the two directly related =( |
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| 03:48.39 | peterS | pipeline: you're not talking about whether debian can run on it, you're talking about whether AIX can (: |
| 03:48.49 | nevyn | hrm |
| 03:48.49 | abrotman | i think i was thinking about the 860 |
| 03:48.50 | pipeline | peterS: Well, what good is a laptop that doesn't dual boot aix? :P |
| 03:48.59 | pipeline | abrotman: I think the 860 is just a faster 850? |
| 03:49.05 | abrotman | nfc |
| 03:49.05 | nevyn | is ATAPI over SATA now in the etch nightlys /rc's ? |
| 03:49.39 | abrotman | avoid the noid! |
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| 03:49.42 | peterS | nevyn: I believe so, but I couldn't swear to it |
| 03:49.59 | PumpkinPie | partial: --append-to-version 64gb-smp |
| 03:49.59 | PumpkinPie | Warning: You are using the initrd option |
| 03:50.08 | PumpkinPie | contiue yes/no ? |
| 03:50.10 | PumpkinPie | continue |
| 03:50.25 | abrotman | are you asking us ? or just flooding for fun ? |
| 03:50.31 | PumpkinPie | asking you |
| 03:50.42 | PumpkinPie | it looks like an important question |
| 03:50.43 | nevyn | peterS: bah.. it's still in the errata for rc3 |
| 03:50.48 | abrotman | say yes .. continue |
| 03:50.53 | nevyn | CD-ROM drives connected to SATA controllers not detected |
| 03:50.54 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.58 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.10 | PumpkinPie | well I selected yes and it said "aborting" |
| 03:51.21 | abrotman | do it again .. you hit some other key in the middle |
| 03:51.37 | nevyn | /piratesay ARRRG ye be scurvy dogs |
| 03:52.23 | nevyn | but the workaround is availible and I can use rc3 |
| 03:52.37 | Guerin | ok, so what is the correct way to run a second x server on a separate VT, using a different X display than the default? |
| 03:52.48 | PumpkinPie | how do i know if its frozen? its been stuck on this: rm -rf kernel-source-2.6.864gb-smp;) |
| 03:52.56 | Guerin | by 'display' i don't mean :1 or such, I mean Section "Screen" etc. |
| 03:53.00 | abrotman | yay sox |
| 03:53.02 | PumpkinPie | is it destroying my computer? |
| 03:53.05 | Guerin | in xorg.conf |
| 03:53.07 | x_or | I get the error message at the very end of the output from debootstrap: "E: no /usr/lib/debootstrap/devices.tar.gz. cannot create devices" Can anyone tell me what this means? |
| 03:54.46 | PumpkinPie | :) |
| 03:54.48 | Guerin | ANSER MY QESTON U FUXORZ |
| 03:54.50 | PumpkinPie | its compiling |
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| 03:57.47 | jetscreamer | guerin isn't guerin i guess |
| 03:58.10 | PumpkinPie | jetscreamer: what do I do after its done compiling |
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| 03:58.21 | Guerin | GecKo: he is, he's just taking the piss |
| 03:58.21 | jetscreamer | install the .deb |
| 03:58.27 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:58.35 | jetscreamer | it will be in ../ |
| 03:58.38 | PumpkinPie | its a 2.6 GHZ, how long you figure it will be till its done? |
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| 03:58.46 | jetscreamer | 3 days to a week |
| 03:58.51 | Guerin | he's severely sleep-deprived from too much university |
| 03:58.52 | zu22 | RIP Rob Levin :-( |
| 03:58.55 | PumpkinPie | you're kidding |
| 03:58.55 | x_or | I am missing the MAKEDEV script, is this something I can just install via download, or is it more involved? |
| 03:58.59 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 03:59.06 | PumpkinPie | ok |
| 03:59.10 | GecKo | Guerin :E :E |
| 03:59.13 | jetscreamer | x_or: it's in /dev i think |
| 03:59.15 | PumpkinPie | how long do you think it would take? |
| 03:59.18 | littleball | hello, i am looking for hosting ISP which can provide hardware and bandwidth. who can recommend. I need a dedicated server |
| 03:59.21 | jetscreamer | hour or 2 |
| 03:59.23 | x_or | jetscreamer: It should be, but is not. |
| 03:59.24 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 03:59.24 | Guerin | !:E |
| 03:59.25 | dpkg | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
| 03:59.27 | jetscreamer | maybe 30 min |
| 03:59.40 | Guerin | littleball: i use rimuhosting.com, they're awesome |
| 04:00.12 | PumpkinPie | Guerin: you're buying a dedicated ? |
| 04:00.12 | zu22 | I just found out, was offline for past 8 days, Rob seemed like a great guy and did so much to keep freenode going. A great loss for the opensource community. |
| 04:00.21 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: i already have a server, thanks anyway. |
| 04:00.35 | PumpkinPie | Guerin: why would you respond like that? |
| 04:00.51 | littleball | Guerin, awesome? how? |
| 04:00.58 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: because I'm stupid and crap |
| 04:00.58 | littleball | xen doesn;t work or ... |
| 04:01.03 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: and p is near l |
| 04:01.05 | jetscreamer | x_or: apt-get install it |
| 04:01.13 | pipeline | zu22: Rob was very much not a "great guy" |
| 04:01.20 | zu22 | pipeline: ? |
| 04:01.32 | pipeline | zu22: He used community donations to chat on IRC all day with his wife. They sat in their trailer, drank beer, and IRCed. |
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| 04:01.49 | amphi | Guerin: a fine factoid ;) |
| 04:01.59 | Guerin | littleball: i have a xen vps with them, it has awesome uptime and connectivity, the support staff really do get back to you in minutes, they give you good deals on upgrades if you've been with them a while, and otherwise they basically just leave you alone |
| 04:02.23 | littleball | then, just forget it |
| 04:02.25 | littleball | thanks |
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| 04:02.36 | PumpkinPie | littleball: what kindof bandwidth do you need? |
| 04:02.36 | Guerin | pipeline: but that meant that WE can all sit in our trailers, drink beer and irc |
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| 04:02.48 | littleball | 1 to 2 M |
| 04:02.53 | Guerin | littleball: they do dedicated servers as well, though. |
| 04:03.11 | littleball | i only need dedicated linux server. and i will iinstall everything remotely |
| 04:03.25 | pipeline | Guerin: I was able to do that without sending him money to do it. Lilo was kind of a shithead. |
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| 04:03.26 | Guerin | littleball: yes. That they can do. |
| 04:03.36 | pipeline | Guerin, zu22 : Did I mention that he was also a felon? :P |
| 04:03.47 | amphi | pipeline: so what? |
| 04:05.21 | Guerin | bah, when I try to start this second x server I get "root window is unavailable, is another wm running?" |
| 04:05.34 | jetscreamer | you're not guerin |
| 04:05.37 | Guerin | which is bloody stupid, since the other wm is running on a different x server |
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| 04:05.50 | Guerin | jetscreamer: am too |
| 04:05.57 | zinx | Guerin: i don't think that's why you're getting the error |
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| 04:06.12 | zinx | unless said other window manager is being silly and grabbing new displays as the appear |
| 04:06.20 | Guerin | zinx: what's the smart person's way to run another X server? |
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| 04:06.29 | jetscreamer | you're not acting like guerin, you're not acting like you have a clue about debian, and you resolve to dallas |
| 04:06.40 | jetscreamer | colo but still |
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| 04:06.44 | zinx | Guerin: smart people don't run another X server. but you can try startx -- :1 |
| 04:06.49 | zu22 | pipeline: lots of politicians are/were felons also. everyone makes mistakes. what's important is if they change their behaviour after incarceration. |
| 04:07.16 | Guerin | zinx: any way to pass a -screen foo parameter to startx? |
| 04:07.16 | zinx | yeah, you're not identified. |
| 04:07.23 | zinx | Guerin: uhh |
| 04:07.28 | zinx | Guerin: why would you need to? |
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| 04:07.52 | zinx | Guerin: separate X servers are on separate *DISPLAYS*, not just screens.. |
| 04:07.57 | zu22 | Don't name scum Guerin he is a cool dude. |
| 04:08.12 | Guerin | zinx: because I have a TV and a monitor plugged into one video card, and I want to run two separate, differently-configured x servers on the machine, displaying one on each |
| 04:08.23 | zinx | Guerin: you can't do it at the same time |
| 04:08.30 | Guerin | zinx: i KNOW, I am starting the second one with -- :1 |
| 04:08.36 | zinx | Guerin: if you want it at the same time, you need to configure *ONE* X server |
| 04:08.46 | Guerin | zinx: i can run another screen at the SAME resolution, why not different? |
| 04:09.00 | zinx | Guerin: you can, you just can't have two X servers with focus at the same time |
| 04:09.04 | Guerin | zinx: i mean, I can run tweo servers at the same resolution on different VTs |
| 04:09.08 | zinx | Guerin: you can have two screens with focus using one X server |
| 04:09.14 | Guerin | zinx: i don't need to have them in focus at the same time |
| 04:09.20 | zinx | Guerin: so you say |
| 04:09.24 | amphi | Guerin: you can run 2 X servers at different resolutions |
| 04:09.27 | zinx | Guerin: but I don't think you know what you're getting yourself in to |
| 04:09.35 | Guerin | zinx: but I do need them both running simultaneously, at different resolutions, so I can chop between them as I will |
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| 04:09.43 | Guerin | amphi: tell me how |
| 04:09.48 | zinx | Guerin: and what i'm saying is, they can't run simultaneously |
| 04:09.55 | zinx | Guerin: set up *one* X server with two screens |
| 04:10.06 | zinx | Guerin: google for "x.org dual head" or something. |
| 04:10.13 | Guerin | zinx: can the two screens have different resolutions? |
| 04:10.20 | zinx | Guerin: of course |
| 04:10.29 | Guerin | and how does each screen know which server to display? |
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| 04:10.31 | zinx | Guerin: you can even run separate window managers, though many will try to grab both screens |
| 04:10.41 | zinx | Guerin: they'll be :0.0 and :0.1, generally |
| 04:10.50 | Guerin | they're connected to ONE video card, through a multiplexer |
| 04:10.54 | zinx | Guerin: when you start apps in :0.1, DISPLAY is set to :0.1 |
| 04:11.06 | zinx | Guerin: when you start apps in :0.0, DISPLAY is set to :0.0 |
| 04:11.07 | jetscreamer | if you're guerin what do you do for a living |
| 04:11.23 | zinx | Guerin: wait, an external multiplexer, or just a card with two outputs? |
| 04:11.39 | amphi | Guerin: you could just use xrandr to switch res on the second one |
| 04:11.42 | Guerin | zinx: a box which has a vga in, a vga out and an rca out for video |
| 04:11.57 | zinx | Guerin: ok, dude. that box probably wasn't designed for what you're trying to do |
| 04:12.06 | Guerin | amphi: doesn't work, TV and multiplexer can't handle the resolution of the monitor, only the tv |
| 04:12.38 | zinx | Guerin: if you want two displays showing different things at the same time, get another video card or a dual-output video card |
| 04:12.47 | zinx | Guerin: if you want the TV to display the same thing, return that POS multiplexer for one that can downsample |
| 04:12.50 | Guerin | zinx: i don't care what it was *designed* to do, I care about the fact that I can run two X servers at the same time, AS LONG AS THEY ARE THE SAME RESOLUTION. I only ewant to change the resolution of the second |
| 04:13.25 | zinx | Guerin: running two X servers at the same time will force you to switch VTs to switch between them |
| 04:13.33 | zinx | Guerin: and you can add multiple layouts using separate monitors, then use startx -- -layout foobar :1 |
| 04:13.39 | Guerin | if there's a technical reaosn which prevents two x servers running on the same box, at different resolutions, explain it to me |
| 04:13.46 | zinx | s/separate monitors/separate monitor configurations/ |
| 04:13.48 | Guerin | zinx: i am *happy* to switch VTs |
| 04:13.50 | zinx | Guerin: there isn't. |
| 04:13.58 | zinx | Guerin: and i haven't once said that there is. |
| 04:14.28 | Guerin | the only bit I can't figure out is how to pass a -screen foo command to startx |
| 04:14.32 | zinx | Guerin: the problem is running them so that they both display simultaneously -- that won't happen |
| 04:14.36 | zinx | again |
| 04:14.42 | zinx | why the hell do you need to pass "-screen foo" to startx? |
| 04:14.43 | dendrite | Guerin: Any help in the startx man page? |
| 04:14.54 | Guerin | zinx: i don't need them to DISPLAY simultaneousl;y, I just need to be able to switch between them |
| 04:15.08 | Guerin | dendrite: startx doesn';t appear to take X options |
| 04:15.14 | zinx | you should be using -layout for this, and have two ServerLayout sections |
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| 04:15.22 | Guerin | oh, layout |
| 04:15.24 | zinx | IIRC, X will load the first by default, so put your TV as the second |
| 04:15.29 | Guerin | that might do it |
| 04:15.36 | zinx | Guerin: startx takes X options after the -- |
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| 04:19.03 | ClayG | anyone here use getmail and feel like answering a question? |
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| 04:19.47 | triplc | hi all |
| 04:20.12 | triplc | please help me: i am installing debian sarge, and using "expert26" |
| 04:20.41 | triplc | the installer can boot from CD but cannot "detect and mount cd" |
| 04:21.19 | jetscreamer | uh |
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| 04:21.28 | triplc | pressing "Alt-F2" bring me to another terminal. please help me: how to mount that cd (which is already working) manually |
| 04:21.58 | mechcow | why are you installing using expert? |
| 04:22.05 | dendrite | triplc: maybe load the ide_cd and/or cdrom modules? Dunno. |
| 04:22.19 | jetscreamer | triplc: all i can tell you is try 'detect cd'... sometimes it works for me when i get that... but, it usually borked later iirc |
| 04:22.35 | ClayG | anyone here using ssmtp? |
| 04:22.38 | triplc | ok, let me try now |
| 04:22.57 | mechcow | ClayG: I've used it in chroots |
| 04:22.58 | jetscreamer | detect takes a long time |
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| 04:24.20 | Guerin | ok, the problem is that startx -- -screen tv :1 appears to be trying to auth for :0 |
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| 04:25.02 | triplc | mechcow, the reason i use "expert26" because the other linux26 also cannot detect that cd (sorry, that is the old ibm machine) |
| 04:25.26 | dendrite | triplc: How about default (2.4 kernel) ? |
| 04:25.57 | Guerin | and failing the mit-magic-cookie test |
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| 04:27.20 | dendrite | Guerin: What WM are you using for those two sessions? Same user for both? |
| 04:28.03 | ClayG | mechcow: how do i make getmail leave a copy of the messages on the server instead of deleting them? |
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| 04:28.30 | dendrite | ClayG: I'd be astonished if that isn't in the man page. |
| 04:28.42 | triplc | dendrite, the default (2.4 kernel) has the same problem. |
| 04:28.50 | Guerin | dendrite: different user; same wm. |
| 04:29.00 | Guerin | can use a different wm, I suppose |
| 04:29.34 | dendrite | Guerin: If all you're doing is watching TV, Maybe you don't need a WM proper. Just a thought. |
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| 04:31.11 | ClayG | what about google? |
| 04:31.15 | ClayG | do you think it would be there also? |
| 04:31.32 | Guerin | dendrite: i need at least a shell, but that appears not to be the problem |
| 04:31.54 | dendrite | ClayG: First place to look is the man page. FWIW, fetchmail can "keep" messages on the server. |
| 04:31.55 | ClayG | someone just messaged me telling me google is my freind, you should add that to your list of useful things to say to people looking for help |
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| 04:32.35 | mechcow | ClayG: not sure sorry, I don't know if it can do that |
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| 04:36.44 | zu22 | lilo memorial site: http://swerver-of-dewm.homelinux.net/lilo/ |
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| 04:41.07 | amphi | ClayG: no idea about getmail, but fetchmail can easily be configured to do that |
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| 04:51.31 | notmyrealnick | why are you guys banning tor? |
| 04:52.12 | nevyn | ? |
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| 04:52.19 | notmyrealnick | I usually connect throug tor |
| 04:52.37 | notmyrealnick | now I'm getting "you can't join #debian, you are benned" |
| 04:52.51 | notmyrealnick | I tried with another nickname, and tor, that was banned too |
| 04:53.05 | notmyrealnick | and btw, I didn't do anything to get banned |
| 04:53.08 | matholio | and yet, you are here. |
| 04:53.14 | notmyrealnick | so it must be tor |
| 04:53.39 | notmyrealnick | I'm here with no tor |
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| 04:53.50 | notmyrealnick | I'm asking why you are banning toer |
| 04:53.52 | notmyrealnick | tor |
| 04:54.00 | matholio | why would you need tor in a distr help channel ? |
| 04:54.33 | notmyrealnick | because I use the same nickname in other channels, and I don't want my location to be known there |
| 04:54.38 | notmyrealnick | and anyways |
| 04:54.41 | matholio | fair enough. |
| 04:54.59 | notmyrealnick | and another reason is |
| 04:55.00 | matholio | I have tor running, how do I redirect mirc through it ? I'll test it for you. |
| 04:55.20 | waiting | hello here - I am searching for a weblog software that does not require a database server |
| 04:55.32 | notmyrealnick | if you whois mi IP you can locate the country where I come from, and I'm very ashamed of being a citizen of that country |
| 04:56.02 | matholio | did you choose to be a citezen of that country ? |
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| 04:56.27 | stew | notmyrealnick: we have had problems with people running tor, if you /msg a staffer, you can have them setup a cloak for your hostmask instead |
| 04:56.34 | notmyrealnick | matholio I don't know about mirc, but usuallyy, you connect to mejokbp2brhw4omd.onion instead of irc.freenet.net with proxy 127.0.0.1 port 9050 |
| 04:58.12 | notmyrealnick | stew, that's not a real issue actually, more like a curiosity: 90% of the answers I get when asking for help here is stuff like "google it up", RTFM, "do man <app I'm talking about" etc |
| 04:58.23 | notmyrealnick | I mean, ppl often assume I didn't do those things |
| 04:58.29 | notmyrealnick | but that's another story |
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| 04:59.02 | notmyrealnick | what problem with ppl running tor? |
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| 04:59.52 | notmyrealnick | there was one guy on anothe channel who kept doing /announce #<channelname> someone sent you a message, to read it type /server read mgs 1 |
| 05:00.06 | notmyrealnick | which of course would get those who do that disconnected |
| 05:00.08 | stew | notmyrealnick: we've had a lot of trolls from tor, we have also recently had people that were pretending to be network services (ChanSrev, NickSrev, NickServe...) that were from tor |
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| 05:00.56 | notmyrealnick | stew yes. I saw that on other channels too. but banning *all* tor users is a bit extreme. maybe auto kicking who does /announce would suffice |
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| 05:02.02 | dondelelcaro | notmyrealnick: real tor users are more than welcome to contact an op and have a +e put in |
| 05:02.12 | notmyrealnick | ok |
| 05:02.15 | notmyrealnick | whatever |
| 05:02.24 | dondelelcaro | there's no problem doing so. You can also get a cloak on this network fairly easily. |
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| 05:03.14 | Kevin` | wow this channel has a lot of bans |
| 05:03.14 | notmyrealnick | but then I would be just as non-anonymous as if I didn't use tor, so what's the point? that ppl in here won't see my ISP? |
| 05:03.23 | notmyrealnick | yeah |
| 05:03.29 | notmyrealnick | OK |
| 05:03.29 | astor_frag | hello guys |
| 05:03.48 | jetscreamer | the tor users can use whatever they used before tor |
| 05:03.51 | astor_frag | whats the best way keeping servers date synchronised please? |
| 05:03.52 | jetscreamer | imo |
| 05:03.56 | jetscreamer | ntp |
| 05:03.58 | astor_frag | time |
| 05:04.02 | notmyrealnick | thanks for the answers, I'm not gonna contact any ops, I'll be beck with my real nick when you lift the tor ban (IF you do) |
| 05:04.05 | notmyrealnick | seya |
| 05:04.05 | dondelelcaro | notmyrealnick: *shrug*; this is a help channel. Being anonymous isn't compatible with our goals. |
| 05:04.10 | Kevin` | astor_frag run ntpd |
| 05:04.11 | webfreak | ... |
| 05:04.16 | astor_frag | jetscreamer : chrony or ntpdate in your opinion ? |
| 05:04.24 | toraton | haha, what a twat. |
| 05:04.24 | webfreak | what a troll. |
| 05:04.44 | jetscreamer | i've only used ntpdate and ntp (and isn't ntpdate deprecated in sid or something?) so i can't really say |
| 05:04.47 | webfreak | he's probably the one that was announcing the server read 1 crap. |
| 05:04.53 | astor_frag | Kevin` i already installed both but maybe i've done something wrong, my time is never synch =) |
| 05:04.57 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: no, it's not... ntpdate is used to set the clock initially |
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| 05:05.15 | dondelelcaro | (but you should generally be using ntp during actual running of the machine) |
| 05:05.42 | webfreak | night. |
| 05:05.50 | astor_frag | im on 2.6.17.4 |
| 05:06.07 | jetscreamer | i'm on 2.6.17.17 or something :p |
| 05:06.18 | jetscreamer | or no i think i'm on .123 now :) |
| 05:06.19 | astor_frag | dondelelcaro so what to use to keep it synch over time please ? |
| 05:06.28 | dondelelcaro | astor_frag: ntp |
| 05:06.28 | jetscreamer | i couldn't think of a new one |
| 05:06.36 | dondelelcaro | !tell astor_frag -about set the time |
| 05:06.50 | astor_frag | dondelelcaro : i just apt get it and thats it or do i have to set something server or such ? |
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| 05:07.09 | dondelelcaro | astor_frag: it defaults to using pool.ntp.org; you may want to put in your country code instead of using that default |
| 05:07.48 | astor_frag | dondelelcaro it syncs how often ? |
| 05:07.55 | dondelelcaro | astor_frag: continuously |
| 05:08.35 | jetscreamer | i've always used time.nist.gov, because that's the only one i've ever been able to remember |
| 05:09.20 | astor_frag | =))) |
| 05:09.22 | astor_frag | im in france ! |
| 05:09.23 | astor_frag | ^^ |
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| 05:09.34 | dondelelcaro | astor_frag: well, there is fr.pool.ntp.org iirc. |
| 05:09.42 | dondelelcaro | (or possibly eu.pool.ntp.org) |
| 05:10.08 | dondelelcaro | astor_frag: http://www.pool.ntp.org/ has the details on it |
| 05:10.23 | astor_frag | http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/fr |
| 05:10.27 | astor_frag | yep |
| 05:10.28 | astor_frag | lol |
| 05:10.32 | astor_frag | i googled too |
| 05:10.33 | astor_frag | ^^ |
| 05:10.36 | astor_frag | thanx a lot |
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| 05:11.07 | Fossilet | my squid works now;) |
| 05:12.58 | astor_frag | dondelelcaro : just last question, where to find ntp.conf please, its not in /etc |
| 05:13.14 | dondelelcaro | astor_frag: it is if you've got ntp-simple installed |
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| 05:13.42 | astor_frag | it installed ntp only by apt get |
| 05:13.47 | astor_frag | ill apt egt it then |
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| 05:14.01 | astor_frag | cant =) |
| 05:14.19 | kinema | are install floppies even availiable any longer? i'm trying to install on an old sparcstation that doesn't have a cdrom. |
| 05:14.41 | dondelelcaro | astor_frag: it's just ntp now, actually. |
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| 05:15.01 | astor_frag | yep there is no ntp-sample |
| 05:15.09 | astor_frag | but where it puts ntp.conf |
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| 05:15.18 | astor_frag | its weid |
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| 05:17.03 | astor_frag | there is something wrong , i cant understand lol |
| 05:17.25 | astor_frag | ntp installed and set but no ntp.conf |
| 05:17.40 | astor_frag | ntp_1%3a4.2.0a+stable-2sarge1_i386.deb |
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| 05:19.13 | astor_frag | dondelelcaro if i create it, is it safe ? |
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| 05:19.43 | dondelelcaro | astor_frag: sure, you can create it; you also may want to try dpkg --force-confmiss -i /path/to/ntp.deb; |
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| 05:22.56 | astor_frag | ive created it, but now i just have to wait ? |
| 05:23.40 | astor_frag | dondelelcaro ok ive found |
| 05:23.44 | astor_frag | its ntp-sImple |
| 05:23.46 | astor_frag | not sAmple |
| 05:23.48 | astor_frag | =))) |
| 05:24.00 | astor_frag | my fault sry |
| 05:25.22 | amc | can anyone give me a simple video editing program? |
| 05:25.47 | jetscreamer | avidemux |
| 05:25.55 | jetscreamer | !tell amc -about marillat |
| 05:26.38 | amc | tnx, i'll try it :) |
| 05:26.45 | jetscreamer | i know of some more complicated ones |
| 05:26.56 | jetscreamer | that one was best for me in the beginning |
| 05:27.09 | jetscreamer | i still suck at it though |
| 05:28.28 | amc | :) |
| 05:30.39 | astor_frag | amc one of best is combustion, but not very simple =) |
| 05:31.34 | amc | tnx :) but i need something really simple because i haven't done this before:) |
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| 05:36.46 | jetscreamer | cinelerra is interesting |
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| 05:48.13 | googlah | g'mornin all |
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| 05:48.41 | googlah | i just started wondering |
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| 05:49.13 | googlah | how can i see (running a server) which users has been logged on since when? last logged on? etc |
| 05:49.36 | googlah | would be very thankful for any ideas |
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| 06:00.38 | amphi | googlah: last(1) is perhaps what you want |
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| 06:01.54 | exobyte | I have iptables installed. Where is the right place to set up my firewall script so it starts at boot? |
| 06:02.26 | PumpkinPie | Im trying to recompile my kernel the debian way.. now I have 4 new debian packages in my src directory.. which one do I install ? |
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| 06:02.49 | googlah | amphi, man last(1), ok i'll check it, thanks! |
| 06:02.54 | ClayG | anyone feel like feilding a question that is of coarse covered in man and google about getmail? |
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| 06:03.22 | PumpkinPie | kernel-doc-2.6.864gb-smp_10.00.Custom_all.deb kernel-headers-2.6.864gb-smp_10.00.Custom_i386.deb kernel-image-2.6.864gb-smp_10.00.Custom_i386.deb kernel-source-2.6.864gb-smp_10.00.Custom_all.deb ? which one do I install or where do i go from here to finish recompiling my kernel the debian way ? |
| 06:04.44 | Malagmyr | "iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.2.0/24 -j DROP" How can I modify this to drop everything from 192.168.2.*, EXCEPT from 192.168.2.1 (gateway)? |
| 06:06.13 | exobyte | Malagmyr: 2 rules |
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| 06:21.13 | laitment | I get the same behavior with mod_ruby and fcgi. I open a page that's supposed to call a method with writes information to certain files. It doesn't. Then I restart Apache, and then the files are written. |
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| 06:21.37 | laitment | It works fine on my Gentoo installation though... is likely a bug with Debian's version of Apache? |
| 06:23.31 | alexbodn | hi all. |
| 06:24.22 | alexbodn | i have set up a md raid1 array, but i fail to mount it on boot. any idea? |
| 06:24.25 | zu22 | hi |
| 06:24.33 | alexbodn | hi |
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| 06:30.49 | s1xtw0 | whats the diff with traceroute and tracertx in debian? |
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| 06:34.58 | laitment | Yay! The problem was not with Apache, it was with my intelligence. |
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| 06:35.48 | PumpkinPie | I thought htop showed two meters for CPU usage? |
| 06:36.04 | PumpkinPie | I have a smp machine but top or htop dont show usage on the CPU's individually ? |
| 06:36.46 | gteppel_ | I have a debian box with one nic and I have a cable modem that plugs into a voip router. The debian box is connected to the voip router and specified as a dmz host by the router. This means all ports are forwarded to my debian box. Using iptables how do I forward ports to other clients in my lan? |
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| 06:40.15 | laitment | gteppel_: I can't really answer how to do it with just iptables, but arno-iptables-firewall is rather nice and simple, and importantly human readable. |
| 06:40.31 | laitment | NAT_TCP_FORWARD="80>192.168.0.2 443>192.168.0.2" |
| 06:40.36 | laitment | With port forwarding that looks like that. |
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| 06:40.55 | gteppel_ | ok thank you |
| 06:41.19 | googlah | gteppel_: how can you forward traffic with only one nic? |
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| 06:42.03 | gteppel_ | googlah: I'm not sure thats what i'm asking. I have all my traffic from the internet coming into my debian box and was wondering if there was a way to route that to another machine in the lan |
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| 06:45.01 | googlah | yup, with two nic's and arno-iptables-firewall as someone said |
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| 06:45.04 | googlah | i dunno how though |
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| 06:51.24 | erpo | Is there a virtual desktop switcher for gnome that shows previews? |
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| 06:57.57 | Malagmyr_ | a |
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| 07:08.08 | bijitr | hi |
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| 07:11.03 | bijitr | hi |
| 07:11.18 | bijitr | hw can i rsync configure |
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| 07:26.27 | naranha | is there a gnome 2.16 debian channel? |
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| 07:27.10 | Guerin | naranha: #debian-gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 07:27.15 | Guerin | naranha: perhaps |
| 07:27.32 | cydork | !gnome |
| 07:27.33 | dpkg | from memory, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 07:27.51 | Guerin | oh, I was close |
| 07:27.57 | cydork | hehe |
| 07:28.08 | cydork | Guerin: i had my doubts ;) |
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| 07:33.02 | ydroxoos- | what is 'trailing spaces' ? |
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| 07:38.12 | dorel__ | what kind of permission is this d-wxrwxr-T ? |
| 07:38.27 | cydork | !tell dorel__ about permissions |
| 07:38.31 | Xteven | it's t without +x |
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| 07:39.33 | cydork | dorel__: check the link which dpkg msged you. If you are confused about "t" check the part which talks about sticky bit |
| 07:39.37 | PumpkinPie | how do I show cpu usage individually? top nor htop is helping me do this? |
| 07:39.45 | PumpkinPie | I have 2 cpu's |
| 07:39.51 | dorel__ | yeah im checking |
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| 07:42.39 | cydork | PumpkinPie: top can show you. press "h" and check for toggle smp states or something |
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| 07:43.33 | TARZEAU | !seen damog |
| 07:43.33 | dpkg | damog <damog@72.232.199.18> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 5d 10h 23m 44s ago, saying: 'Baby: Good enough :)'. |
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| 07:44.48 | yang | how could i trigger a command in 10 seconds? |
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| 07:45.24 | zu22 | tarzeau: greets! |
| 07:45.29 | cydork | yang: man at |
| 07:46.03 | zu22 | tarzeau: did you hear about lilo's passing? :-( a hit and run! ugh. hope they catch the criminal. |
| 07:46.32 | CHodapp | hit and run? |
| 07:47.06 | PumpkinPie | nevermind I got it |
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| 07:48.16 | yang | cydork: like "at 09:50 ls" ? |
| 07:48.21 | PumpkinPie | YES |
| 07:48.24 | PumpkinPie | hahahaha! |
| 07:48.25 | zu22 | Chodapp: a driver hit and killed him then rode away from scene of the crime :( |
| 07:48.26 | PumpkinPie | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 07:48.35 | PumpkinPie | htop is nice |
| 07:48.37 | zu22 | Chodapp: so police are trying to find the driver of the car |
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| 07:49.17 | dondelelcaro | yang: or easier, just sleep 10; foocmd; |
| 07:49.24 | yang | ok |
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| 07:50.35 | E-bola | What debian package has the perl NET::SMTP module? |
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| 08:00.11 | simonrvn | !tell E-bola -about search |
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| 08:00.33 | E-bola | simonrvn: no diea what file to look for |
| 08:01.10 | simonrvn | 'smtp perl' is a good start... use your grey matter dude |
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| 08:01.42 | cydork | E-bola: apt-cache search NET::SMTP |
| 08:01.52 | cydork | :) |
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| 08:02.19 | E-bola | thanks :) |
| 08:02.44 | Stinovlas | what did you say? try rm -rf :D (im joking, dont do that :D ) |
| 08:02.58 | simonrvn | cydork: make them work a bit, they need to not depend on us, but self-sufficient |
| 08:03.04 | simonrvn | but be* |
| 08:03.46 | simonrvn | it's not to be mean, but looking in the long term, both for them, and the 'helpers' |
| 08:04.09 | cydork | simonrvn: ya sure. i always forget the factoid about fishing :p |
| 08:04.18 | cydork | smack me if i do it next time ;) |
| 08:04.27 | cydork | simonrvn: and i mean that |
| 08:04.27 | simonrvn | yes.. that's the idea |
| 08:04.44 | simonrvn | ok, a bot lart will do? :) |
| 08:04.49 | E-bola | How woudl i know u can search for a module name? |
| 08:04.54 | cydork | simonrvn: i guess so :) |
| 08:04.56 | E-bola | i asume its not a file thats called that |
| 08:04.59 | simonrvn | you try it |
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| 08:05.21 | simonrvn | apt-cache search doesn't look for files anyway |
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| 08:09.26 | vosti | simonrvn, apt-file maybe |
| 08:09.45 | TARZEAU | !popcon |
| 08:09.46 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 08:09.55 | simonrvn | yes, but you don't need to use apt-file for that sort of thing |
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| 08:14.01 | wdamn | which package to install for having gtk+-2.0 |
| 08:14.02 | wdamn | ? |
| 08:14.25 | simonrvn | depends on what you need |
| 08:14.58 | wdamn | I'm trying to compile a little program called audicle |
| 08:15.12 | wdamn | it says |
| 08:15.14 | wdamn | No package 'gtk+-2.0' found |
| 08:15.58 | wols | search for a gtk 2.0 dev package |
| 08:16.08 | wols | libgtk20-dev or somesuch |
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| 08:18.11 | wdamn | wols: thanx |
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| 08:36.55 | Stinovlas | hi, pls, can anybody help me? ive already installed gnome to my Debian, but when i try startx, it says: |
| 08:37.01 | Stinovlas | /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: line 2: /usr/bin/X11/X: není souborem ani adresáøem |
| 08:37.03 | Stinovlas | /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: line 2: exec: /usr/bin/X11/X: cannot execute: není souborem ani adresáøem |
| 08:37.05 | Stinovlas | giving up. |
| 08:37.07 | Stinovlas | xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server |
| 08:37.09 | Stinovlas | xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. |
| 08:37.16 | Stinovlas | neni souborem ani adresarem= no file or directory ;) |
| 08:38.59 | TARZEAU | funny |
| 08:39.00 | Eclipser | why am I getting DHCPNAK when I'm trying to retrieve an ip from my ISP's DHCP server, if I plug in the same cable on my laptop it works fine... ? |
| 08:39.36 | simonrvn | installing gnome doesn't install x. install x (apt-get install xserver-xorg) |
| 08:39.48 | Stinovlas | [simonrvn] ok, thx.. im newbie |
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| 08:45.42 | wols | Eclipser: your ISP might check your MAC? |
| 08:45.55 | Eclipser | wols, maybe... it works now though :o |
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| 08:52.38 | hypnox | does anyone have any idea why my mysql 5 daemon is locking up and getting signal 11 on testing? a stack trace mentions handle_one_connection |
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| 08:56.07 | masadd | i added the following line to my /etc/apt/sources.list, deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 08:56.28 | masadd | now if i do apt-get update...will it screw my current debian? |
| 08:56.35 | masadd | i mean...how much unstable is that? |
| 08:56.45 | masadd | oops...i mean apt-get upgrade |
| 08:57.21 | masadd | common...i am about to hit Enter |
| 08:57.23 | Stinovlas | well, something is unstable more and something less :) |
| 08:57.41 | masadd | ic |
| 08:58.02 | Stinovlas | ? sorry, i dont know this word.. i dont speak english very well |
| 08:58.29 | Stinovlas | damn that knoppix is ugly :-| |
| 08:58.35 | masadd | i want to isntall gnochm...it needs gconf2...which needs other larger things...it goes down and install newer gcc 4.1 and so...is that bad? |
| 08:58.39 | gfox | hi, am I sure the ssl memory-mapped shared libraries are automatically upgraded after a libopenssl package upgrade ? Do have to ensure they are by reloading some daemons ? Rebooting the OS ? Or making something to ensure I use the new libs ? |
| 08:59.23 | cydork | masadd: dont upgrade to unstable, just try bpo for newer packages. i am assuming you use sarge. |
| 08:59.46 | masadd | yes...i use sarge...thanx for telling...going to bpo... |
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| 09:02.56 | masadd | ok...i read pbo introduction...so is it good to upgrade what ever can be upgraded from pbo packages?...or just install what i need now? |
| 09:03.25 | cydork | masadd: just install what you need. dont upgrade all the packages. |
| 09:03.44 | masadd | ok...thanx again... |
| 09:05.29 | wols | masadd: as for mixing sarge and sid packages: |
| 09:05.35 | wols | !tell masadd about bobbitt |
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| 09:06.37 | masadd | :D |
| 09:06.37 | masadd | ic |
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| 09:07.26 | cydork | wols: hehe i had to google for that name, and ouch :) |
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| 09:23.03 | MatBoy | did someone have had a KDE-panel crash on a new installed Etch ? |
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| 09:25.18 | streuner | What does BTS say about? |
| 09:26.13 | streuner | are you using vmware in order to run debian? |
| 09:26.25 | streuner | forget BTS then |
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| 09:27.17 | my007ms | hello all |
| 09:27.28 | my007ms | what command like cat file > /dev/hda this is it del all partian or only MBR |
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| 09:29.47 | Guerin | my007ms: cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda |
| 09:31.01 | my007ms | this is wrong command |
| 09:32.09 | wols | my007ms: but it will delete all data on your hda disk |
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| 09:32.23 | my007ms | no i need del only MBR |
| 09:32.24 | SlayerXP | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1024k count=1 |
| 09:32.33 | my007ms | that it |
| 09:32.35 | my007ms | (y) |
| 09:32.40 | SlayerXP | though I'm not sure about the bs value |
| 09:32.49 | SlayerXP | 1024k is prolly a bit much |
| 09:32.51 | wols | bs=512 |
| 09:32.56 | wols | MBR is only 512 bytes |
| 09:33.11 | my007ms | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 |
| 09:34.01 | my007ms | and i can use this command to copy mbr from hdX to hdY also is that right |
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| 09:34.43 | wols | you can use this command to read from and write to the mbr yes |
| 09:34.54 | wols | but different parameters than the ones above of course |
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| 09:46.50 | ma3x | hi guys |
| 09:46.59 | ma3x | why are there some horizontal lines in above and under the fonts |
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| 09:47.54 | ma3x | in konqueror, in the konsole ... |
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| 09:51.51 | ma3x | its dead |
| 09:52.01 | ma3x | it went on oftc? |
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| 09:53.29 | cydork | ma3x: try #debian-kde |
| 09:54.26 | Edward_TLS | If I need maxclients set to 4096 on the standard apache.... this can only be done in the source so I need to recomplie... |
| 09:54.30 | Edward_TLS | any one tryed this... ? |
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| 09:55.00 | wols | Edward_TLS: apt-get source |
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| 09:59.43 | googlah | Edward_TLS: just edit /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
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| 10:00.20 | evilmnky | heh.. conf 360-207-0488 pin=1234 (testing asterisk) |
| 10:01.12 | Edward_TLS | googah: the max during compile time is 256 |
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| 10:04.38 | evilmnky | heh.. conf 360-207-0488 pin=1234 (testing asterisk) |
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| 10:07.43 | looksaus | hi! |
| 10:08.07 | looksaus | I'm trying to install the wordpress package from etch on a debian sarge system |
| 10:08.26 | azeem | looksaus: look for a backport, rather |
| 10:08.37 | azeem | don't install packages from testing directly on stable, that way lies unstableness |
| 10:08.53 | looksaus | azeem, it's not as if wordpress is such a dangerous packages to install |
| 10:08.58 | ma3x | is there ape plugin for xine? |
| 10:09.04 | looksaus | its dependencies are quite well spelled out |
| 10:09.15 | looksaus | it's pure php, and php4 compatible |
| 10:09.33 | azeem | *shrug* |
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| 10:09.42 | looksaus | azeem, otherwise, you are absolutely right, but here, it makes little difference |
| 10:09.55 | looksaus | azeem, I don't like php that much either |
| 10:10.05 | wols | so what is the problem if it's such a tame package? |
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| 10:10.20 | looksaus | wols, azeem, http://wordpress.org/support/topic/87589 |
| 10:10.33 | looksaus | it's really strange |
| 10:11.37 | wols | error_reporting(E_ALL); as first statement in the file |
| 10:11.59 | looksaus | wols, ? |
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| 10:12.44 | wols | edit the file that's giving you problems as outlined above |
| 10:12.53 | wols | worth a try |
| 10:13.19 | looksaus | this is a php function? |
| 10:13.56 | wols | no it's a trojan that formats your disk and molests your cat when she's walking across the keyboard one more time |
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| 10:15.19 | looksaus | wols, oh, I don't like cats so much anyway |
| 10:15.31 | looksaus | but the formatting your disk part doesn't look so nice ;) |
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| 10:17.07 | buggarage | wuff |
| 10:17.34 | looksaus | wols, Connecting to hostname.org|123.123.123.123:80... connected. |
| 10:17.34 | looksaus | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... No data received. |
| 10:17.34 | looksaus | Retrying. |
| 10:17.45 | looksaus | it doesn't even get to the php code |
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| 10:18.07 | looksaus | wols, so presumably, something must be wrong with my apache config, right? |
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| 10:18.33 | idimmu | does anyone know where i can find an example file for cron.d.ex when building packages that require a cron task? |
| 10:18.48 | looksaus | I just wonder what, since another php file in the same dir executes just fine |
| 10:18.51 | wols | looksaus: no |
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| 10:19.17 | wols | something is wrong with your script: it doesn't output anything since it ahs an nternal error |
| 10:19.48 | looksaus | really strange... |
| 10:20.20 | wols | have you done what I told you? |
| 10:21.29 | looksaus | wols, yes |
| 10:21.50 | looksaus | but nothing shows up in error logs |
| 10:22.01 | looksaus | as far as I can see at first sight |
| 10:22.18 | looksaus | the strange thing is that firefox says |
| 10:22.22 | looksaus | "download file" |
| 10:22.31 | looksaus | in a dialog box |
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| 10:23.30 | looksaus | the words "binary" and "ascii" jumped through my mind |
| 10:23.35 | pumpkin0 | looksaus: so apaches does not get any HTML/http data from the script and thinks "maybe it´s a image"... |
| 10:23.52 | looksaus | pumpkin0, exactly |
| 10:24.12 | pumpkin0 | lookaus: time to test the output of phpinfo ... |
| 10:24.35 | looksaus | pumpkin0, phpinfo in the same directory, with the same permissions |
| 10:24.44 | looksaus | works perfectly |
| 10:25.01 | looksaus | what should I look for in phpinfo()'s output? |
| 10:25.03 | pumpkin0 | looksaus: you should test the script with php CLI. |
| 10:25.25 | looksaus | like, starting it from a console, you mean? |
| 10:25.46 | pumpkin0 | looksaus: yes. |
| 10:26.01 | looksaus | but does it get enough input from there? |
| 10:26.02 | MatBoy | hwo can I check what xorg version I run ? |
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| 10:26.16 | Guerin | MatBoy: dpkg -l |grep xorg |
| 10:26.19 | looksaus | I mean, it needs to know from which page it is being called |
| 10:26.25 | looksaus | because it looks for that |
| 10:26.40 | MatBoy | Guerin, mhh... I couldn't find a -V somewhere :) thanks |
| 10:26.54 | looksaus | pumpkin0, just trying to understand what you are making me do here |
| 10:27.16 | MatBoy | Guerin, 7.0, so it should be OK |
| 10:27.55 | MatBoy | Guerin, I still hgave the locked Xorg every time and it's not the nvidia-driver that does that |
| 10:28.03 | pumpkin0 | looksaus: so maybe that check fails ... make it output a meta-tag before even testing something. |
| 10:28.41 | pumpkin0 | MatBoy: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, 5-10 line. |
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| 10:29.06 | MatBoy | pumpkin0, you want to have that in #flood ? |
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| 10:30.48 | looksaus | pumpkin0, the script seems to execute more or less normally |
| 10:31.16 | looksaus | except that it complains about a variable that it normally gets from the browser, of course |
| 10:31.33 | looksaus | I could modify it to not need this anymore though |
| 10:32.00 | wols | looksaus: put a few echo "...."; in the code. see if something gets put out |
| 10:32.24 | wols | if you get a "download" box from ffox, it means the mime/type is set wrong somewhere |
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| 10:34.26 | looksaus | Notice: Undefined index: HTTP_HOST in /etc/wordpress/wp-config.php on line 6 |
| 10:34.26 | looksaus | Warning: main(/etc/wordpress/config-.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /etc/wordpress/wp-config.php on line 6 |
| 10:34.26 | looksaus | Fatal error: main(): Failed opening required '/etc/wordpress/config-.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in /etc/wordpress/wp-config.php on line 6 |
| 10:34.41 | looksaus | that is just the HTTP_HOST stuff missching |
| 10:34.49 | looksaus | because I call it from the CLI |
| 10:35.01 | looksaus | I wonder what would happen if I set it manually... |
| 10:37.50 | MatBoy | pumpkin0, nothing in the Faq's about my problem |
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| 10:39.34 | looksaus | pumpkin0, wols ... interesting error now: |
| 10:39.38 | looksaus | php install.php |
| 10:39.38 | looksaus | Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 92160 bytes) in /usr/share/wordpress/wp-admin/upgrade-schema.php on line 227 |
| 10:39.38 | looksaus | Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 0 bytes) |
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| 10:40.30 | looksaus | wols, pumpkin0 , does this look like a wordpress bug to you? |
| 10:40.52 | pumpkin0 | looksaus: you should do something about it. php.conf ... and get php more ram. |
| 10:41.48 | looksaus | pumpkin0, it looks so strange that the default ram assignment on sarge wouldn't be sufficient |
| 10:41.57 | looksaus | for something so humble as an installer script |
| 10:42.33 | pumpkin0 | looksaus: wordpress is not that small. |
| 10:42.51 | looksaus | ok... |
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| 10:43.42 | looksaus | hm, now on to this conf file |
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| 10:49.16 | looksaus | how do I change the amount of ram assigned to php? |
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| 10:49.41 | looksaus | is there a debian specific way to do so? |
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| 10:53.18 | mosty | looksaus, edit php.ini ? |
| 10:53.33 | MatBoy | is there a difference between the nvidia driver from nvidia itself or from unstable ? |
| 10:54.02 | looksaus | mosty, thx, just did it, and it works |
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| 10:59.02 | wdamn | I've got this error |
| 10:59.04 | wdamn | /bin/sh: g++: command not found |
| 10:59.14 | wdamn | which gcc++ should I install? |
| 11:01.00 | MatBoy | wdamn, apt-cache search G++ |
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| 11:01.13 | MatBoy | wdamn, apt-cache search gcc |
| 11:01.49 | ydroxoos- | how can I download a file using wget that file's url needs authentication but user:pass@url doesnt work? |
| 11:02.45 | wdamn | MatBoy: I've already g++-3.3 |
| 11:02.56 | MatBoy | wdamn, install 4.0 |
| 11:03.00 | wdamn | should I do a symbolic linc |
| 11:03.01 | wdamn | ok |
| 11:03.25 | MatBoy | wdamn, and after that... you can play with symlinks indeed |
| 11:03.40 | anabain | a question about crossover cables: pair color/color-white is relevant? Or only matters the position of the same cable at each end pin of each plug? |
| 11:03.52 | Edward_TLS | ok how do I tell apt to buld the changes I made to a source deff file... |
| 11:04.47 | wdamn | MatBoy: this one treelang-4.1 |
| 11:04.49 | wdamn | ? |
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| 11:05.28 | MatBoy | wdamn, nope, just the GCC compiler |
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| 11:05.52 | MatBoy | do I need to recompile my kernel for pci=nommconf ? |
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| 11:07.05 | wdamn | MatBoy: what do you mean with pci=nommconf ? |
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| 11:07.40 | MatBoy | wdamn, I need to have that setting during boot... it now boots with that option on |
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| 11:08.52 | wdamn | where is that option ? |
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| 11:10.31 | helmut | Hi. running exim4 -bt someaddress shows it is routed correctly, netcat localhost 25 and rcpt to:<someaddress> yield "550 unknown user", what might be wrong? |
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| 11:13.22 | MatBoy | where do I set the bootflag in lilo ? just under the booting kernel in lilo.conf ? |
| 11:14.00 | buu | Ok, how on earth do I make apt-spy do something useful/ |
| 11:14.18 | cydork | buu: run it :) |
| 11:14.35 | buu | cydork: Nope, that doesn't work. |
| 11:14.53 | cydork | !don't work |
| 11:14.53 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 11:14.59 | cydork | :) |
| 11:15.49 | cydork | buu: so what do you mean by doesn't work? |
| 11:16.01 | buu | I'd answer, but I found a program that actually does work |
| 11:16.12 | buu | But you should know what happens when you run apt-spy |
| 11:16.14 | buu | It prints help. |
| 11:16.14 | Fox | MatBoy: why don't you set the bootflag with cfdisk ? |
| 11:17.10 | cydork | buu: ya if you dont give anything |
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| 11:18.19 | mosty | are "nice" values inherited by child processes? |
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| 11:18.40 | MatBoy | Fox, that was a lock :) |
| 11:18.54 | MatBoy | Fox, I use SW-raid... that's why |
| 11:20.17 | MatBoy | Fox, but just place it under the Kernel-lines in lilo.conf ? |
| 11:20.35 | row | 0 */6 * * * /path/to/cron am I right in thinking that will run every 6 hours |
| 11:20.36 | row | ? |
| 11:20.49 | Fox | MatBoy: can be anywhere I think |
| 11:20.59 | Fox | I have no lilo to check |
| 11:21.02 | MatBoy | Fox, OK :) now hope I can boot :) |
| 11:21.16 | MatBoy | Fox, are you running Etch ? |
| 11:21.34 | rvalles_ | How do I enable SSL (HTTPS) for apache2 on the unstable branch of debian? |
| 11:21.47 | Fox | MatBoy: sid |
| 11:21.57 | rvalles_ | there doesn't seem to be a setting anywhere, or a apache2-ssl package or something |
| 11:22.00 | MatBoy | Fox, damn you ! runs OK ? |
| 11:22.05 | Fox | rvalles_: a2enmod ? |
| 11:22.09 | Fox | MatBoy: sure |
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| 11:22.19 | MatBoy | Fox, not buggy ? |
| 11:22.24 | rvalles_ | Fox: ? |
| 11:22.33 | Fox | MatBoy: no, just be careful before upgrading :) |
| 11:22.44 | Fox | rvalles_: did you try 'a2enmod' ? |
| 11:22.47 | MatBoy | Fox, it just like sex :P |
| 11:22.54 | Fox | hehe |
| 11:23.14 | MatBoy | If they don't cry anymore.. you can do what you want :p |
| 11:23.16 | Fox | apt-listbugs is helpful too |
| 11:23.58 | MatBoy | aha ! |
| 11:24.07 | MatBoy | nah, testing was also buggy last week :( |
| 11:26.59 | buu | # apt-get upgrade; E: The package libmysqlclient12 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 11:32.13 | buu | So, how do I get rid of this stupid package? |
| 11:33.05 | Fox | dpkg -P libmysqlclient12 |
| 11:33.05 | buu | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove libmysqlcient12 which isn't installed. |
| 11:33.05 | Fox | ôO |
| 11:33.22 | Fox | what the hell did you do to get there ? |
| 11:34.12 | my007ms | i have flash memory usb i have pugin it |
| 11:34.15 | my007ms | where i can find it |
| 11:34.24 | mosty | buu, the package isn't installed, there's nothing to remove |
| 11:34.34 | buu | mosty: So how do I make it stop whining when I do other things? |
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| 11:34.42 | Fox | my007ms: look at dmesg |
| 11:34.47 | mosty | buu: make what stop whining? |
| 11:34.57 | buu | Fox: I have unstable and the sources list got set to stable, I did an upgrade and cancled it half way though. |
| 11:35.00 | buu | mosty: apt-get |
| 11:35.09 | Fox | buu: then you're fucked... |
| 11:35.23 | buu | THANKS MR DEBIAN |
| 11:35.38 | mosty | buu: oh, i see. tried "apt-get -f install" ? |
| 11:35.58 | dimir | MR De-BEAN! |
| 11:35.58 | my007ms | Fox, it's see it as flopy |
| 11:36.13 | my007ms | Fox, it's 124M and i see it only 1.4 |
| 11:36.19 | buu | mosty: Same error. |
| 11:36.23 | Ronin | buu: sources list got set to stable? how'd you manage that running unstable? |
| 11:36.33 | buu | Ronin: netselect-apt |
| 11:36.38 | mosty | buu: can you install the package with dpkg -i ? |
| 11:36.49 | buu | mosty: No such archive. |
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| 11:37.20 | Fox | there's no libmysqlcient12 in sarge... |
| 11:37.22 | mosty | buu: you could download it manually though |
| 11:37.28 | buu | mosty: Well, yeah, but ick. |
| 11:37.41 | buu | This is silly =/ |
| 11:37.44 | Fox | why would someone want to downgrade from sid to sarge without reinstalling ? |
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| 11:38.36 | streuner | (which is impossible) |
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| 11:38.50 | buu | Fox: I can think of several reasons someone might want to, but I wasn't trying to. |
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| 11:39.39 | Fox | the main reason would be to break everything |
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| 11:40.57 | Fox | going sid -> etch and then etch -> sarge might work, but going from sid to sarge, wow :) |
| 11:41.11 | cydork | !downgrade |
| 11:41.11 | MatBoy | damn, I really can't find out to use pci=nommconf in lilo.conf |
| 11:41.12 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. But you can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 11:41.16 | cydork | Fox: ^^ |
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| 11:41.53 | Fox | hehe |
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| 11:45.04 | MatBoy | guys, can I remake a vmlinuz file ? |
| 11:45.57 | SlayerXP | MatBoy: yes, you have our permission to do so. |
| 11:46.12 | MatBoy | SlayerXP, how ? :) |
| 11:46.21 | MatBoy | SlayerXP, damn, I forgot those things :S |
| 11:46.32 | SlayerXP | MatBoy: google for "kernel howto" |
| 11:46.55 | cydork | MatBoy: remake?? |
| 11:47.01 | MatBoy | SlayerXP, or re-install linux-image ;) |
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| 11:48.24 | Ironmonk3y | Hey all anyone interested in adsense |
| 11:51.14 | Hoxzer | http://pastebin.ca/174981 <- is das baad? |
| 11:51.30 | Ironmonk3y | http://yourprxy.com/TDOA.html thats for the adsense! |
| 11:51.32 | monocle | Ironmonk3y == spam |
| 11:51.49 | Ironmonk3y | sorry! |
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| 11:54.36 | streuner | Hoxzer: as long as you don't want X, no |
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| 11:55.05 | Hoxzer | streuner: :D actually X is what I want |
| 11:55.18 | Hoxzer | X is pretty critical for HTPC |
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| 11:56.36 | streuner | What's 'HTPC'? |
| 11:56.56 | E-bola | home theater pc |
| 11:57.18 | Hoxzer | !serial DVD Solution 2.0 |
| 11:57.46 | streuner | dpkg, htpc is <reply> HTPC is an acronym for Home Theater Personal Computer, describing certain personal computer systems designed solely to be connected to a television for entertainment purposes, such as watching TV, playing DVDs, CD music, or viewing digital pictures. They may also be referred to as media center systems or Media Server units. The general goal in a HTPC is usually to combine many or all components of a home theater setup i |
| 11:57.46 | streuner | one box. |
| 11:57.46 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
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| 11:58.12 | streuner | Hoxzer: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 11:58.53 | Hoxzer | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 11:59.26 | streuner | so what's stops you to run 'apt-get install x-window-system'? |
| 11:59.49 | Hoxzer | xserver-xorg-core |
| 12:00.00 | Hoxzer | it says that some files doesn't exist |
| 12:00.07 | streuner | of course not |
| 12:00.22 | streuner | there is x-window-system-core ... |
| 12:00.36 | streuner | which is a "light" version of X |
| 12:00.37 | MatBoy | wow, I really love the linux-images !! |
| 12:00.57 | MatBoy | can I see with what parameters a kernel is loaded ? |
| 12:02.06 | streuner | in lilo prolly 'grep append /etc/lilo.conf' |
| 12:02.22 | Hoxzer | streuner: I still needs xserver-xorg-core :/ |
| 12:02.25 | streuner | but you are using grub |
| 12:02.28 | SlayerXP | MatBoy: cat /prc/cmdline |
| 12:02.30 | SlayerXP | err |
| 12:02.34 | SlayerXP | /proc that is |
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| 12:02.57 | streuner | Hoxzer: hm |
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| 12:03.22 | anabain | can anybody explain me that? http://paste.debian.net/13154 it's from dmesg on PC1, which is connected through a crossover cable to PC2. Both NICs are gigabit. I guess PC2's onboard NIC (nvidia, btw) doesn't work (=hw prob). any ideas? |
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| 12:04.45 | streuner | Hoxzer: what does BTS say about? (xserver-xorg-core) |
| 12:05.37 | Hoxzer | BTS? |
| 12:05.48 | Ronin | !tell Hoxzer about bts |
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| 12:06.13 | Ronin | alright who let the damn skunk in the building today |
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| 12:08.59 | Capkirk | howto find out from which mirror a package is installed from? |
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| 12:09.26 | azeem | Capkirk: that is not trivial, but apt-cache policy <package> might give you a hint |
| 12:09.33 | Capkirk | azeem: ok thanks |
| 12:10.52 | anabain | please: http://paste.debian.net/13154 |
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| 12:11.18 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: all is working |
| 12:11.26 | PumpkinPie | berr |
| 12:11.28 | PumpkinPie | nvm |
| 12:11.40 | PumpkinPie | I was looking at the buffer |
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| 12:13.00 | goner | can someone tell me what i must enter when i am configuring X and X asks me videocard adress, i have HP NX6110 with integrated Intel Media Graphics Accelerator 900 |
| 12:13.37 | asg | goner: are you referring to the bus id? If you are using x86, just hit enter |
| 12:14.23 | goner | ok i did hit just enter but later when i tried to start x , x told me no screes found |
| 12:14.43 | goner | before it x started normaly only in medium quality |
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| 12:15.02 | goner | screens |
| 12:15.52 | azeem | in medium quality? |
| 12:16.02 | azeem | what do you mean by this? |
| 12:16.10 | goner | low refresh rate and 800x600 px |
| 12:16.54 | goner | i wanted to rise atleast the resolution |
| 12:17.18 | azeem | did you change something else than the resolution when you reconfigured? |
| 12:17.25 | azeem | which version of Debian are you running? |
| 12:17.41 | goner | alpha version |
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| 12:18.00 | goner | was it i changed refresh rate alsou |
| 12:18.08 | mosty | Capkirk, apt-get install -d packagename, you should see where it's being downloaded from |
| 12:18.20 | lavi | goner, alpha. where did you find out it? |
| 12:18.22 | azeem | goner: alpha version? |
| 12:18.44 | goner | i dont exactly |
| 12:18.55 | MatBoy | can anyone help me with remaking the vmlinuz-version ? |
| 12:19.03 | lavi | goner, check you sources.list file in which /etc/opt |
| 12:19.04 | goner | know |
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| 12:19.19 | lavi | MatBoy, what's the matter? |
| 12:19.34 | goner | i'm in xp at the sec |
| 12:19.53 | MatBoy | lavi, can't remember anymore how to do it :) |
| 12:19.54 | lavi | goner, under the qmeu or vmware? |
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| 12:20.39 | lavi | MatBoy, where are you staying under the kernel tree? |
| 12:20.59 | MatBoy | lavi, I removed the /boot/vmlinuz-version by misstake |
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| 12:21.38 | lavi | MatBoy, copy that file from you source-tree which under the x86 directory. |
| 12:22.12 | MatBoy | lavi, how is it named there ? |
| 12:22.53 | lavi | MatBoy, prefix with vmlinuz. |
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| 12:23.09 | MatBoy | lavi, nope not there... I installed a linux-image |
| 12:23.32 | lavi | MatBoy, was not from source-tree? |
| 12:24.00 | MatBoy | lavi, nope, just did a apt-get install linux-image-version |
| 12:24.13 | cydork | MatBoy: do you have a deb for the kernel? |
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| 12:24.33 | MatBoy | cydork, yep, but I need to reboot I think because I'm running that kernel now |
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| 12:25.49 | lavi | MatBoy, okay, check with --reinstall parameter |
| 12:26.05 | MatBoy | lavi, OK :) let me do that :) |
| 12:26.20 | cydork | MatBoy: if you just deleted that file just extract the deb and copy the vmlinz file |
| 12:27.01 | roxy_ | following dpkg advices, I did: echo libassa3.4-0 hold | dpkg --set-selections , but at next aptitutde update/dist-upgrade, libassa got upgraded . Why ? |
| 12:27.11 | MatBoy | cydork, OK... I have to check that |
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| 12:27.50 | roym | The initrd -> initramfs transition (for kernel 2.6) is quite |
| 12:27.50 | roym | confusing. Can anyone recommend a good document that explains this well. |
| 12:27.53 | roym | I need a decent overview of the boot process, so that when I get |
| 12:27.53 | roym | dropped into a busybox shell, I at least know how far along I am, |
| 12:27.53 | roym | and how to proceed from there. |
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| 12:29.08 | MatBoy | cydork, that worked |
| 12:29.15 | MatBoy | thanks ! |
| 12:29.20 | MatBoy | let's see it it boots now :) |
| 12:30.07 | mosty | roym: last i looked, there was no good docs, just a few tutorials on google |
| 12:30.15 | mosty | s/was/were/ |
| 12:31.45 | mosty | roym: what are you stuck on? if you ask a specific question i may have the answer |
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| 12:33.20 | Sp4rKy | hi |
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| 12:33.41 | Sp4rKy | please how many inode/ blocks are in 1Go on an ext3 partition ? |
| 12:33.46 | Sp4rKy | (it's for quota) |
| 12:34.29 | roym | mosty: its just that sometimes I get a message like "waiting for root fs" and I have no idea at what stage its stopped at. |
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| 12:35.39 | mosty | roym: there should be output from each of the stages on the screen though right? |
| 12:36.29 | mosty | roym: what kind of root fs do you have that requires an initramfs image? |
| 12:36.45 | roym | I am trying to run a xen kernel. |
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| 12:37.43 | MatBoy | cydork, unpacked it, did the onliner again for nvidia and I was done :) |
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| 12:38.21 | mosty | roym: hrm, xen is not something i've ever encountered. what is the root fs in this case? |
| 12:38.40 | roym | mosty: its a debian etch ext3 fs. |
| 12:39.22 | mosty | roym: on what kind of device though? |
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| 12:40.41 | roym | mosty: oh, on an IDE, if thats what you mean... |
| 12:40.53 | MatBoy | The nvidia-driver seems to be a SMP-problem :) |
| 12:41.02 | roym | /dev/hda gets detected ok.. |
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| 12:41.14 | roym | mosty: /dev/hda gets detected ok.. |
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| 12:41.28 | MatBoy | roym, what is the problem ? |
| 12:41.48 | mosty | roym: yeah but are you sure you need an initramfs image? usually it's only needed for setups with wierd root filesystems |
| 12:42.17 | GreySim | Anyone know if it's possible to install Debian with floppy drives and a modem? |
| 12:42.29 | MatBoy | roym, does you system not boot anymore ? |
| 12:42.35 | MatBoy | s/you/your |
| 12:42.54 | mosty | greysim: read the install guide |
| 12:42.57 | roym | mosty: I think with 2.6 that initramfs is the recommended way to go - at least thats what I read... |
| 12:43.13 | MatBoy | roym, I'm talking to you dude |
| 12:43.19 | roym | MatBoy: I am trying to boot a xen kernel and the process fails halfway |
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| 12:43.24 | GreySim | mosty, I did, unless I was looking at a different guide, but all I saw was floppy + ethernet. |
| 12:43.45 | MatBoy | roym, softwareraid ? |
| 12:44.17 | mosty | greysim: use floppy + ppp, it will be easiest if you have a real, external serial modem |
| 12:44.22 | roym | MatBoy: nope - just a plain old IDE w/vanilla options. |
| 12:45.05 | GreySim | mosty: I do, thankfully. I'm using it on this desktop machine right now even, but I'm trying to revive an old laptop with nothing but a floppy drive and serial connection. Thanks. :) |
| 12:45.20 | MatBoy | roym, I have seen some problems.... do you get a (initramfs) commandline ? |
| 12:45.22 | mosty | roym, yeah initramfs is recommended for 2.6 > 2.6.something but that's only if you need a initial ram image to setup a wierdo root fs (like crypto raid or something) |
| 12:45.50 | roym | MatBoy: I get a busybox shell... |
| 12:46.02 | MatBoy | roym, re-install the system.... got the same |
| 12:46.17 | mosty | roym: from the bosybox shell, can you mount the root fs? |
| 12:46.22 | MatBoy | roym, was busy with it for 2-3 days... I have reinstalled the whole thing |
| 12:46.39 | roym | mosty: I need LVM - wouldn't I need intiramfs for that? |
| 12:46.40 | MatBoy | roym, what kernel version ? 2.6.17-2 ? |
| 12:46.53 | roym | MatBoy: 2.6.16-3 |
| 12:47.21 | MatBoy | roym, there was a problem with mdadm and LVM partition @ the end of a disk |
| 12:47.23 | mosty | roym: i'm not familiar with lvm- not sure |
| 12:47.26 | MatBoy | I think you should bugreport it |
| 12:47.40 | roym | ok - thanks. |
| 12:47.52 | MatBoy | roym, not that you use mdadm... but that LVM bug is what I know of |
| 12:48.02 | MatBoy | roym, you got it after an upgrade ? |
| 12:48.58 | DaBlade | Does anyone know how long it is until Etch is expected to be complete? |
| 12:49.17 | azeem | DaBlade: the scheduled release date is still beginning of December |
| 12:49.17 | roym | MatBoy: I haven't upgraded the dist- its just that xen adds another layer... |
| 12:49.33 | MatBoy | roym, try a new install on another disk |
| 12:49.34 | DaBlade | azeem: Yeah, I just didn't remember that. :P |
| 12:49.41 | roym | so I end up installing several packages.. |
| 12:50.04 | DaBlade | azeem: Then I guess us testing users will have to upgrade to sid, won't we? |
| 12:50.15 | mosty | roym: just checking, does your bios have xen support? |
| 12:50.18 | azeem | DaBlade: why? |
| 12:50.23 | roym | MatBoy: yes... that's why I was going w/xen - so I could fool w/different configs. |
| 12:50.29 | azeem | DaBlade: sid will always be unstable |
| 12:50.36 | DaBlade | Oh |
| 12:50.40 | DaBlade | What'll be the next testing? |
| 12:50.41 | MatBoy | roym, it's in your main-system I thought |
| 12:50.44 | azeem | the name for etch+1 is not known yet |
| 12:50.53 | DaBlade | (I don't wanna use stable cause packages grow old fast there :P) |
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| 12:51.05 | roym | mosty: the xen demo CD runs fine - but I dont' have a VT chip, if you're asking that. |
| 12:51.39 | azeem | DaBlade: then put `testing' into sources.list rather than codenames |
| 12:51.51 | DaBlade | azeem: Ah, ok. |
| 12:51.53 | DaBlade | azeem: :) |
| 12:53.12 | roym | MatBoy: no, not in my main system... |
| 12:53.19 | wdamn | Hi, I've update my system to xorg from testing - now emacs refuse to start: |
| 12:53.21 | wdamn | X protocol error: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) on protocol request 45 |
| 12:53.21 | wdamn | Fatal error (6) |
| 12:53.34 | azeem | euh |
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| 12:53.45 | azeem | wdamn: is this on a stable system? |
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| 12:53.51 | incorrect | i have been asked to get subversion to do the following: two machines, in different parts of the world, having two way replication of updates |
| 12:53.58 | MatBoy | roym, Ok, than you really need to install the XenMachine again... but use a Linux-image for it |
| 12:54.05 | MatBoy | you installed etch in Xen ? |
| 12:54.57 | wdamn | azeem: half stable, half testing |
| 12:55.22 | Ronin | wdamn: oh that cant be good |
| 12:55.49 | azeem | wdamn: try a newer emacs then, maybe emacs-snapshot if that is in testing |
| 12:55.49 | wdamn | Ronin: |
| 12:55.59 | wdamn | azeem: ok |
| 12:56.05 | GreySim | Ah, I see what's confusing. The install guide covers PPP, but that's after you're already in the debian installer. The boot and root floppies don't get to that point, and there's no way to get further without an ethernet connection, seemingly. |
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| 12:56.18 | MatBoy | wow, it seems to be stable here again :D |
| 12:57.12 | MatBoy | why is there so much changed in the last Etch ? My last install was in april |
| 12:57.37 | wdamn | azeem: it's in unstable... |
| 12:58.00 | azeem | well. |
| 12:58.06 | wdamn | azeem: anyway I was running emacs21 |
| 12:58.44 | azeem | wdamn: well, you could try to debug it |
| 12:58.52 | azeem | is emacs the only X application that fails like this? |
| 12:59.06 | wdamn | azeem: no, also gv and xdvi |
| 12:59.11 | azeem | eh, say that |
| 12:59.19 | azeem | anything else? |
| 12:59.25 | wdamn | it can be an xfont problem... |
| 12:59.28 | wdamn | dunno |
| 12:59.35 | azeem | well, are some working? |
| 12:59.40 | wdamn | yes |
| 12:59.45 | wdamn | firefox for example |
| 12:59.48 | wdamn | xchat |
| 12:59.55 | wdamn | gedit |
| 12:59.58 | azeem | gtk stuff |
| 13:00.04 | azeem | some other non-gtk apps working? |
| 13:00.12 | azeem | maybe Qt apps? |
| 13:00.41 | azeem | or try something like xfontsel |
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| 13:01.32 | wdamn | azeem: k3b starts |
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| 13:02.12 | azeem | wdamn: what about xfontsel? |
| 13:02.26 | wdamn | azeem: I'm installing it |
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| 13:03.02 | wdamn | tkfont |
| 13:03.10 | vik | what package would have the source of the standard C library? |
| 13:03.18 | azeem | vik: apt-get source glibc |
| 13:03.37 | vik | azeem: thnx |
| 13:03.48 | azeem | wdamn: tkfont? |
| 13:03.48 | wdamn | azeem: tkfont has problems starting |
| 13:03.54 | azeem | and xfontsel? |
| 13:03.58 | azeem | it's in xbase-clients |
| 13:04.01 | wdamn | ah |
| 13:04.30 | azeem | wdamn: if that doesn't start, maybe you can ask in #debian-x on irc.debian.org |
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| 13:04.32 | wdamn | xfontsel refuse to start |
| 13:04.37 | wdamn | ok |
| 13:04.43 | azeem | but don't expect an answer, there are not many people in there |
| 13:04.45 | MatBoy | wowie :) |
| 13:04.51 | azeem | but maybe you're lucky |
| 13:05.32 | wdamn | azeem: in #debian-x I'm the only one ... |
| 13:08.46 | factorx | I have a problem with my USB mouse: At boot my mouse is available under /dev/input/mouse1. But if I plug out and in again, it's /dev/input/mouse2 which is really annoying. Why is that and what can I do about it? |
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| 13:09.26 | jetscreamer | no offence... but windows is like that too |
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| 13:10.49 | azeem | wdamn: on irc.debian.org |
| 13:11.11 | wdamn | azeem: ok, thax |
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| 13:15.52 | vertigo | does any of you guys know a way to display the current bandwith usage of a linux system on a webpage? |
| 13:16.15 | petemc | vertigo: theres a link on kernel.org to a tool for that |
| 13:16.20 | vertigo | i only need the current numbers, so no need for mrtg or the likes |
| 13:16.27 | vertigo | ok i will have a look |
| 13:16.43 | petemc | or, there was, i used to use it.. |
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| 13:18.02 | vertigo | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/web/bwgraph/ it seems |
| 13:18.08 | vertigo | thanks for the tip |
| 13:18.13 | petemc | i was using bwbar |
| 13:18.16 | petemc | could be same thing |
| 13:18.30 | petemc | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/web/bwbar/ |
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| 13:19.36 | vertigo | im gonna check out bw bar first |
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| 13:23.45 | roxy_ | when module started being in .ko instead of .o ? |
| 13:23.56 | asg | roxy_: when the 2.6 kernel was released |
| 13:24.02 | roxy_ | asg: thanks |
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| 13:26.22 | twobitsprite | how do I make sudo require users to enter roots password, instead of thier own? I'm having a hard time decyphering the man page... |
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| 13:28.37 | cds | Is amarok 1.4.3 not in Debian testing? |
| 13:28.48 | cydork | !info amarok testing |
| 13:28.58 | dpkg | amarok: (versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.4.1-3 (etch), Packaged size: 12941 kB, Installed size: 24338 kB |
| 13:29.04 | mosty | twobitsprite, use su in that case |
| 13:29.07 | cydork | cds: i guess it is |
| 13:29.36 | cydork | cds: why do you want to ignore dpkg? poor bot :) |
| 13:29.45 | cds | I can't remember now :) |
| 13:30.40 | cds | Cheer cydork |
| 13:32.39 | incorrect | is there an eclipse package for sarge? |
| 13:33.02 | cydork | !info eclipse sarge |
| 13:33.04 | incorrect | s/an/a/ |
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| 13:33.10 | mosty | incorrect, apt-cache search eclipse |
| 13:33.11 | cds | What's the difference between testing and unstable? |
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| 13:33.21 | incorrect | mosty, no results |
| 13:33.22 | cds | Is unstable recommented for a desktop computer? |
| 13:33.27 | cds | recommended* |
| 13:33.34 | cydork | !tell cds about sid |
| 13:33.36 | incorrect | yes sure is |
| 13:33.38 | mosty | cds: unstable is only recommended for experienced debian users |
| 13:33.48 | pipeline | cds: Use testing. |
| 13:33.55 | pipeline | cds: Testing doesn't just fucking break out of the blue. |
| 13:34.04 | TARZEAU | pipeline: oh yes it can |
| 13:34.08 | pipeline | cds: At any given time, "Testing" is as stable as a fedora release. (i.e. not very) |
| 13:34.10 | TARZEAU | pipeline: and it does. and it did. and it will |
| 13:34.13 | cydork | cds: unstable is bound to break if you can fix that go for it. |
| 13:34.14 | pipeline | TARZEAU: It's a rarity. And what's with the all-caps? |
| 13:34.14 | incorrect | use sarge with backports |
| 13:34.24 | cds | lol, ok, thanks guys :) |
| 13:34.27 | cydork | incorrect: no it's not in sarge. |
| 13:34.47 | incorrect | cydork: i couldn't see it :( |
| 13:35.06 | cydork | incorrect: /msg dpkg info eclipse sarge |
| 13:35.07 | cydork | :) |
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| 13:35.24 | incorrect | ty |
| 13:35.49 | cydork | TARZEAU: i still think that new users should stick to testing and not unstable. they crib after it breaks :) |
| 13:36.12 | incorrect | etch eta? |
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| 13:36.28 | samueltc | hi |
| 13:36.44 | incorrect | i don't keep up with whats going on these days |
| 13:36.48 | cds | Yeah, I'm not much into fixing broken packages, so I think I'm better off keeping to testing :) |
| 13:36.52 | cydork | incorrect: dec. i dont remember the exact date |
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| 13:37.07 | samueltc | where is the right place to add a static route? (etc/network/?) |
| 13:37.12 | incorrect | cydork: thats pretty impressive ;) the way things were going it would have been 2012 ;) |
| 13:37.24 | pipeline | samueltc: man interfaces |
| 13:37.30 | mosty | samueltc: as a up line in an interface ? |
| 13:37.45 | pipeline | samueltc: alternatively, if you're using dhcp, you should edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 13:37.48 | samueltc | mosty: hmm yeah |
| 13:37.56 | samueltc | static interface |
| 13:38.09 | pipeline | samueltc: Then /etc/network/interfaces can do it for you. There's a man page. |
| 13:38.17 | samueltc | good |
| 13:38.39 | pipeline | samueltc: You can specify a script to run when an interface goes up or down, and that script can just contain "route add <stuff>" or "root del <stuff>" |
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| 13:39.20 | cydork | !smack incorrect for showing disrespect to debian |
| 13:39.21 | samueltc | pipeline: ok, nothing fancy like interfaces syntax? just a plain route add? |
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| 13:39.40 | pipeline | samueltc: The "interfaces" syntax lets you specify a script to run. Just put #!/bin/sh at the top and then a list of commands. |
| 13:39.48 | incorrect | lol |
| 13:39.48 | mosty | samueltc, see the manpage |
| 13:39.52 | samueltc | yes |
| 13:40.25 | mosty | you can put the commands directly in the interfaces file |
| 13:40.37 | samueltc | nice |
| 13:41.33 | twobitsprite | mosty: well... I know sudo allows for an option to require root password, I just can't figure out where in the sudoers file to put it... |
| 13:41.52 | mosty | twobitsprite, but if you give out the root password, it's simpler to just use su |
| 13:42.11 | cydork | twobitsprite: why do you wanna do that? |
| 13:42.16 | sith-lord | ok |
| 13:42.29 | incorrect | no wait, etch will never come out ever because its has too many packages |
| 13:42.48 | cydork | incorrect: huh?? |
| 13:43.24 | twobitsprite | well... I'm the only admin on this box, so I won't be giving out any passwords, I just don't like having remote root access, and I think requireing a second different password for sudo (the root password in this case) is more secure than allowing the same password which was used to log in |
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| 13:44.05 | mosty | twobitsprite, disable root logins over ssh (in the sshd config file) then just su to root after you login |
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| 13:44.47 | twobitsprite | mosty: I suppose... I just like using sudo because I don't like being at a root shell because it would keep me from doing stupid shit :P |
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| 13:45.17 | mosty | twobitsprite, su -c "command" |
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| 13:45.47 | incorrect | lol |
| 13:46.05 | twobitsprite | mosty: ok, fine, whatever... I just know it's possible to set up sudo to work how I want it, I just don't know how... thanks though |
| 13:46.56 | mosty | su does the same job in this case though, without need for any configuration file editting |
| 13:46.58 | asg | twobitsprite: man sudoers |
| 13:46.58 | cydork | incorrect: that's what you get when say stuff in like that in #debian :) |
| 13:47.14 | asg | twobitsprite: look for the 'rootpw' option |
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| 13:48.19 | twobitsprite | asg: I see it, I just don't know where in the sudoers file to put it, and I am having a hard time decyphering their BNF... |
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| 13:48.51 | twobitsprite | mosty: but doesn't sudo keep better logs? |
| 13:49.15 | asg | twobitsprite: Defaults rootpw (at the top before the alias definitions) |
| 13:49.51 | mosty | twobitsprite, yes, but if an attacker gets the root password they will use su instead |
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| 13:50.32 | twobitsprite | mosty: I suppose you're right... |
| 13:50.43 | twobitsprite | asg: that did it, thanks :) |
| 13:51.01 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 13:51.51 | mosty | twobitsprite, or sudo bash and then do whatever they like (including covering up their tracks) |
| 13:52.00 | twobitsprite | mosty: you win |
| 13:52.01 | asg | or sudo su - |
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| 13:53.08 | twobitsprite | I just had to figure this out, because I hate feeling like the config file won... once I'm on a quest to figure something out, I have to figure it out even if I realize it's a bad idea... :P that's why I was so persistant to do it this way even when you showed another option :) |
| 13:53.18 | helo | dpkg: gnome 2.16? |
| 13:53.35 | helo | will 2.16 make it into etch? |
| 13:53.38 | cydork | helo: dpkg is a bot. |
| 13:53.41 | TARZEAU | but will etch release on 4 december 2006? |
| 13:53.52 | mosty | twobitsprite, in that case keep at it :) |
| 13:53.52 | asg | !magic hateball |
| 13:54.02 | helo | cydork: a bot whom you can ask questions, afaik |
| 13:54.04 | TARZEAU | helo: i'll hit you if it delays etch release |
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| 13:54.16 | TARZEAU | helo: go use ubuntu, if you want gnome |
| 13:54.21 | helo | dpkg: bts? |
| 13:54.21 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 13:54.36 | helo | TARZEAU: lol, settle down |
| 13:54.52 | helo | TARZEAU: are you terrified of me for some reason other than excessive paranoia? |
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| 13:55.02 | TARZEAU | helo: i don't care at all |
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| 13:55.19 | helo | you were just telling me to go use some other distro... |
| 13:55.19 | TARZEAU | helo: not for one single gnome or kde user. not for all of them together |
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| 13:55.37 | helo | and telling me you were going to hit me |
| 13:56.01 | helo | calm down little troll... |
| 13:56.23 | blondie | lol |
| 13:56.54 | cydork | !nuke helo |
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| 13:56.59 | cydork | :) |
| 13:57.12 | twobitsprite | !nuke dpkg |
| 13:57.15 | twobitsprite | nice |
| 13:57.16 | jouke | Nice shit! |
| 13:57.56 | TARZEAU | helo: well you can check packages.debian.org to see the status of gnome in debian |
| 13:58.04 | TARZEAU | helo: no need to call me a troll |
| 13:58.09 | helo | see, now that is a useful reply :) |
| 13:58.43 | helo | i calls 'em as i sees 'em! |
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| 13:59.32 | azeem | TARZEAU: eh, he asked whether 2.16 will make it into etch, you can't find that info on packages.debian.org |
| 14:00.17 | TARZEAU | azeem: where can you check it then? |
| 14:00.17 | TARZEAU | azeem: you might, but maybe not just yet now |
| 14:00.28 | azeem | TARZEAU: you ask here |
| 14:00.35 | azeem | and hope somebody else than TARZEAU answers |
| 14:01.08 | azeem | and sure, at the time etch releases you can check it on p.d.o |
| 14:01.37 | TARZEAU | you can also check it on the date when the general freeze begins |
| 14:01.41 | cydork | i guess you can ask on #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org they might have an idea |
| 14:01.59 | TARZEAU | cydork: you can ask it anywhere, even on #debian-kde |
| 14:02.07 | azeem | TARZEAU: stop trolling |
| 14:02.23 | azeem | helo: it is undecided right now whether 2.16 will make it into etch |
| 14:02.24 | SpComb | yer all a bunch 'o trolls! |
| 14:02.31 | azeem | helo: it is currently being uploaded to experimental |
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| 14:04.11 | ma3x | what does this mean eth1: increased tx threshold, txcfg 0xd0f01012. |
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| 14:04.16 | earthian | hello |
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| 14:04.32 | earthian | i accidentally made mkswap on my /boot disk |
| 14:04.39 | earthian | is there any way to undo this? :S |
| 14:04.40 | TARZEAU | earthian: ouch |
| 14:04.50 | earthian | :/ |
| 14:04.57 | azeem | ma3x: diagnostic message I tuess |
| 14:04.58 | TARZEAU | earthian: /boot only contains the kernels and boot config file (of grub) |
| 14:04.58 | azeem | guess |
| 14:05.10 | azeem | ma3x: read the respective driver source for what it means |
| 14:05.12 | TARZEAU | earthian: you want to find out what mkswap exactly does |
| 14:05.19 | earthian | yea |
| 14:05.25 | TARZEAU | earthian: you don't have backups, i guess? |
| 14:05.34 | earthian | yup :o |
| 14:05.40 | ma3x | azeem, super information. thanks a lot |
| 14:06.00 | earthian | however i made fs there a lot of times before so i think i could do it again |
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| 14:07.10 | earthian | where do i start to find out what i should do now? |
| 14:07.18 | earthian | as i have never made any of my drives as swaps :/ |
| 14:07.26 | azeem | ma3x: well, it doesn't look like an error message to me |
| 14:07.28 | azeem | ma3x: try to google it |
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| 14:11.36 | roxy_ | following dpkg advices, I did: echo libassa3.4-0 hold | dpkg --set-selections , but at next aptitutde update/dist-upgrade, libassa got upgraded . Why ? |
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| 14:14.57 | danfg | i'm trying to change mysql's socket to some place else (from /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock to /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock), i changed socket settings in /etc/mysql/my.cnf, but that doesn't seem enough. what else should i change? |
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| 14:15.55 | r000t | i have searched for this alot and only found discussions in forums with alot of different views on the matter.. what i want to have answered is whether one is supposed to use apt-get or aptitude for handling packages.. someone???? |
| 14:16.20 | azeem | r000t: aptitude is considered better, but apt-get should work as well |
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| 14:16.28 | azeem | you can use aptitude like apt-get from the command-line |
| 14:16.50 | TARZEAU | is there proper packages for debian of http://support.intel.com/support/performancetools/libraries/mkl/linux/sb/CS-021233.htm ? |
| 14:16.55 | r000t | azeem: is it better (recommended) for the orphaned packets reason |
| 14:17.04 | azeem | r000t: for example |
| 14:17.47 | r000t | azeem: and there should be no problems migrating to aptitude.. are there other reasons to use it besides that |
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| 14:18.27 | r000t | azeem: and added to that .. it is as i understand it not recommended to mix usage with synaptics |
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| 14:18.33 | stew | r000t: another reason that many people favor aptitude is that it can do more sophisticated dependency resolution |
| 14:18.56 | r000t | stew: what is more sophisticated about it ?? |
| 14:19.09 | azeem | r000t: there's no problem with changing APT frontends |
| 14:19.24 | azeem | but you might get the most out of aptitude or synaptic if you use it all the time |
| 14:19.35 | stew | r000t: it will propose many alternative ways to resolve a dependency conflict, rank them all, then let you decide which you want to chose |
| 14:19.43 | r000t | azeem: so is it right that both are just fronts to apt-get |
| 14:19.50 | azeem | no, to APT |
| 14:19.56 | azeem | apt-get is also a frontend to APT |
| 14:20.00 | r000t | stew: that is much better |
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| 14:20.32 | stew | and it lets you play minesweeper |
| 14:20.36 | stew | but no super-cow powers |
| 14:20.46 | r000t | so the general consensus here is that i should use aptitude |
| 14:20.54 | azeem | r000t: or synaptic |
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| 14:21.14 | r000t | ok .. will do then.. thanks guys.. |
| 14:21.16 | azeem | but using apt-get isn't really bad, you just get less features and might run into trouble in corner-cases |
| 14:21.28 | tuv | is synaptic any better than apt-get? |
| 14:21.33 | azeem | aptitude is recommended for full upgrades between Debian versions |
| 14:21.40 | azeem | tuv: it is different |
| 14:21.43 | r000t | i c ... well i guess aptitude will be from now on |
| 14:21.44 | azeem | some people prefer a GUI |
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| 14:22.24 | stew | !why aptitude |
| 14:22.24 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 14:22.53 | tuv | one thing i miss in aptitude: which distribution am i getting a package from (i'm mixing testing and unstable). synaptic lets me know that |
| 14:22.55 | asg | stew: you should mention the lack of cow powers and substandard minesweeper replacement also |
| 14:23.12 | asg | tuv: so does apt-cache policy <foo> |
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| 14:23.37 | tuv | asg, well i don't need to do that in synaptic. convenience? |
| 14:24.02 | asg | matter of taste |
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| 14:24.46 | tuv | asg, an additional feature is not a matter of taste. another way of doing it is a matter of taste! |
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| 14:25.12 | tuv | asg, or this argument can be a matter of taste too :) |
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| 14:27.38 | stealg | hola alguien sabe como peudo auto arrancar mi red wireless ?? |
| 14:27.48 | azeem | !es |
| 14:27.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:31.54 | earthian | is there a way to undo mkswap actions? |
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| 14:32.04 | earthian | seems that now i cant reformat my /boot partition :S |
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| 14:32.20 | DaS_CoAcH | hi@all |
| 14:32.26 | Zaib | guys does any of u hv used BOOTCD scripts for debian ? |
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| 14:33.54 | vaq | Hello, how can i fix my touchpad in Debian? (Laptop= |
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| 14:34.44 | vaq | Hello, how can i fix my touchpad in Debian? (Laptop) |
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| 14:35.13 | DaS_CoAcH | i've got 2 small questions: 1st: why is my xmms volume everytime i start it @0%? and 2nd: what do i have to pay attention to when i want to build my own kernel? is it a good idea to use make-kpkg? |
| 14:35.40 | vaq | anybody? |
| 14:35.48 | Ronin | patience vaq |
| 14:36.00 | vaq | Ronin, sorry. |
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| 14:37.10 | cydork | vaq: can you explain a more about your problem? |
| 14:37.19 | cydork | s/a// |
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| 14:37.27 | vaq | cydork, i can't dobbelt click with my touchpad |
| 14:38.15 | lepton | DaS_CoAcH: as to 1st: try editing ~/.xmms/config |
| 14:38.59 | cydork | DaS_CoAcH: and for the second make-kpkg is the best option . |
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| 14:39.17 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg good. --initrd knowledge good. initrd bad. |
| 14:39.21 | jetscreamer | ugh. |
| 14:39.30 | jetscreamer | !initrd |
| 14:39.30 | dpkg | from memory, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
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| 14:39.49 | Eclipser | !kp mantra |
| 14:39.49 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 14:40.02 | jetscreamer | iow, ^^ |
| 14:40.03 | DaS_CoAcH | lepton, i looked at it, but i don't know which option to edit...i was thinking if i should use software volume control |
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| 14:40.19 | r000t | ok so i start aptitude and it says #Broken: 3 Will free 502MB of disk space... what to do .. someone ???? |
| 14:40.42 | jetscreamer | dselect>* |
| 14:41.02 | lepton | DaS_CoAcH: try volume_left and volume_right |
| 14:41.08 | DaS_CoAcH | and another, really stupid question: can i replace lilo with grub by just installing grub and doing grub-install? |
| 14:41.15 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 14:41.17 | DaS_CoAcH | lepton, they're both on 100% |
| 14:41.19 | cydork | DaS_CoAcH: yes |
| 14:41.20 | lepton | DaS_CoAcH: edit while xmms is not running |
| 14:41.25 | jetscreamer | grub-install hd0 or so |
| 14:41.35 | DaS_CoAcH | lepton, i know, but it didn't work |
| 14:42.06 | lepton | DaS_CoAcH: I use aumix to cache volume settings |
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| 14:42.21 | vaq | cydork, i can't dobbelt click with my touchpad |
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| 14:42.45 | DaS_CoAcH | lepton, what about software volume control? what's the difference? |
| 14:43.00 | DaS_CoAcH | lepton, or, what's against using it? |
| 14:44.16 | cydork | vaq: but single click works? which version of debian are you using? |
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| 14:44.34 | Alexismoy | Hi |
| 14:44.48 | Alexismoy | When I switch between screens (alt+f1 / alt+f7), my graphic freeze |
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| 14:45.26 | rvalles_ | I want to limit my users with ulimit. How do I make it so that the ulimit limits are effective the moment my users log in? |
| 14:45.47 | vaq | cydork, no single click doesnt work either, only the buttoms on my touchpad works. |
| 14:45.52 | vaq | cydork, Debian 3.1 RC3 |
| 14:46.15 | cydork | vaq: oh ok. is that synaptics touch pad? |
| 14:46.21 | tuv | vaq, do you have the synaptics driver installed? |
| 14:46.26 | r000t | pls someone .. what is wrong.. i get this in aptitude #Broken: 3 Will free 502MB of disk space... what to do .. someone ???? |
| 14:46.27 | vaq | cydork, synaptics? |
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| 14:46.49 | r000t | and it wants to practically uninstall my entire system to resolve it |
| 14:47.27 | tuv | r000t, is that in command line mode or interactive mode? |
| 14:47.29 | cydork | vaq: install xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 14:47.36 | r000t | tuomasi_: interactive |
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| 14:47.44 | Deepa | DAl, well it should work in win98 too |
| 14:47.46 | r000t | tuv: interactive |
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| 14:48.04 | tuv | r000t, then see what is causing the problem |
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| 14:48.22 | r000t | tuv: what do you suggest |
| 14:48.59 | tuv | r000t, do you know how to find out what's causing the broken packages to be broken? |
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| 14:49.38 | r000t | tuv: nope ... not in aptitude... normally with apt-get -f install |
| 14:50.27 | tuv | r000t, you should get two red lines at the bottom of aptitude, asking you to hit 'e' to see your options |
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| 14:50.50 | r000t | tuv: and neither synaptics nor apt-get reports anything broken.. i jcant see how the best suggestion could be to almost uninstall the entire system |
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| 14:51.14 | khermans | Can someone recommend a good Linux-based ghosting system that can interpret file systems and shrink them nicely for backups? I don't want to use Symantec Ghost! |
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| 14:51.30 | khermans | g4u (ghost for unix) is not great |
| 14:51.31 | tuv | r000t, it seems there is nothing broken right now, but the marked changes will result in some broken packages. hit 'e' and see what it says |
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| 14:53.52 | tuv | r000t, in synaptic/apt-get, upgrades that could result in broken packages will never happen, while sometimes they are needed and the broken packages should be uninstalled anyway. aptitude can do that |
| 14:54.20 | r000t | tuv: i c |
| 14:56.12 | xdr | "it would be nice to see people buy microsoft condoms, full of holes but their userfriendly at least" |
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| 14:57.08 | lost_soul | gm everyone |
| 14:57.22 | teksimian | so, i installed bmpx, and when it starts i get this message; Volume/Device Management could not be initialized; HAL monitoring of volumes in the library, permanent addition of items to the library and other parts of BMP will not be functional. |
| 14:57.22 | teksimian | Please check your HAL installation and/or contact your distributor. |
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| 14:57.32 | teksimian | so, here i is.... ;) |
| 14:58.03 | lost_soul | wondering, what would be better to use.. Debian 3.0 or 3.1, I'ld rather stick with the least amount of "known issues" or bugs if possible |
| 14:58.13 | rvalles_ | 16:51:11 < khermans> Can someone recommend a good Linux-based ghosting system that can interpret file systems and shrink them nicely for backups? I don't want to use Symantec Ghost! |
| 14:58.19 | rvalles_ | can't you just use tar, like normal people? |
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| 14:58.46 | lost_soul | Acronis True Image will image most *nix file systems |
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| 14:58.52 | Ronin | rvalles_: cause ghost can be really handy i suspect |
| 14:59.07 | Ronin | we use it here at work and it makes installing the os very fast |
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| 15:01.01 | ReTyPe-RC1 | if i start akregator (and koffice) for the first time, the preview pane of RSS feeds has a very tiny font, no more the second time |
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| 15:02.44 | rvalles_ | Ronin: defrag your e2fs, dd and gzip, whatever |
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| 15:03.07 | rvalles_ | Ronin: but I don't think mkfs + unpacking a tar is slow |
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| 15:03.17 | rvalles_ | Ronin: in fact, I know it is fast from exprience |
| 15:03.23 | riot | my logitech mx1000 doesn't work since upgrading to udev. xorg's evdev claims some weird errors. How can i fix that? |
| 15:03.33 | rvalles_ | I want to limit my users with ulimit. How do I make it so that the ulimit limits are effective the moment my users log in? |
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| 15:04.23 | invitado11 | hi all , how can i clear the clientmqueue ? i am using sendmail and $mailq -Ac shows mails not sended .. |
| 15:04.27 | helo | does gnome have compositing support compiled in in etch? |
| 15:04.49 | Maulkin | yes |
| 15:05.38 | Ronin | rvalles_: we have 900+ machines in our dept alone, the techs can only spend so much time trouble shooting, often its faster just to back up user data and reghost |
| 15:05.59 | pipeline | helo: no. |
| 15:06.11 | pipeline | helo: experimental, I think |
| 15:06.32 | rvalles_ | Ronin: ok, but again, what's the advantadge of ghost over dd + gzip or tar+gzip? |
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| 15:07.15 | luke-jr_work | rvalles_: you mean bzip2 ;p |
| 15:07.24 | rvalles_ | luke-jr_work: bzip2 is slow ;P |
| 15:07.28 | Ronin | rvalles_: they go out with one dvd, put it in any of our 4 varieties of desktops and reboot |
| 15:07.30 | luke-jr_work | rvalles_: -1 ? |
| 15:07.46 | Ronin | but hey whatever works |
| 15:08.09 | riot | anyone using a mx1000 and recently switched to udev? can't get my mouse to show up in /dev/input |
| 15:09.20 | khermans | rvalles_, no because i want to do this without mounting the filesystems |
| 15:09.21 | snail | does there a quick and easy way to check to see which distro a user is using? I want to be able to fail gracefully and send users in the right direction if they're not running debian... |
| 15:09.35 | ReTyPe-RC1 | how do i report a possible bug ? |
| 15:09.57 | khermans | rvalles_, i want to make backups at the partition level -- not at the file level |
| 15:10.00 | mosty | snail: /etc/debian_version ? |
| 15:10.15 | khermans | Snadder, cat /etc/lsb-release |
| 15:10.16 | citral | ReTyPe-RC1: reportbug |
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| 15:10.26 | ReTyPe-RC1 | reportbug |
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| 15:10.38 | teksimian | did you even bother going to the website? its right there. |
| 15:10.45 | snail | mosty: that only says whether one is dealing with a debian family member or not |
| 15:11.15 | khermans | snail, lsb-release is not on all machines yet |
| 15:11.22 | khermans | but it will work nicely in the future |
| 15:11.59 | snail | khermans: THANK YOU |
| 15:12.06 | Ronin | !tell Ronin about ppc |
| 15:12.09 | snail | khermans exactly in info i needed |
| 15:12.45 | r000t | tuv: now when i start aptitude it only says 498MB will be freed ... no broken packages that is |
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| 15:13.13 | tuv | r000t, what will free that much space? |
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| 15:13.49 | r000t | tuv: it wants to uninstall almost my whole system.. no explanation why |
| 15:14.08 | tuv | r000t, if you hit 'g' only once it will list all the changes and why they are done |
| 15:14.32 | riot | udev ignores my rule-file to setup a static device-file /dev/input/mx1000 for my logitech usb-receiver. |
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| 15:15.02 | r000t | tuv: yeah thats what i did .. it says these packages have been manually selected for removal.. but that i have not... |
| 15:15.14 | rvalles_ | 17:09:54 < khermans> rvalles_, i want to make backups at the partition level -- not at the file level |
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| 15:15.26 | rvalles_ | I understand but... what's the point of doing that? |
| 15:15.37 | rvalles_ | in any case, dd + gzip? |
| 15:15.41 | tuv | r000t, then hit '+' on their title (manually selected for removal) if you're sure you want them all |
| 15:15.48 | rvalles_ | that's partition level :) |
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| 15:16.05 | r000t | tuv: allright |
| 15:16.54 | tuv | r000t, power always involves complexity ;) |
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| 15:18.22 | ReTyPe-RC1 | reportbug: |
| 15:18.22 | ReTyPe-RC1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.22 | ReTyPe-RC1 | SPCA5xx |
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| 15:19.04 | ReTyPe-RC1 | if i start akregator (and koffice) for the first time, the preview pane of RSS feeds has a very tiny font, no more the second time |
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| 15:19.36 | r000t | tuv: it seems awkward to all of a sudden find that i have broken packages .. and that it wants to almost wipe my system out |
| 15:20.21 | dondelelcaro | r000t: if it says that, you can override it with apt-get install foopkg; (or whatever frontend you're using) |
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| 15:21.07 | tuv | r000t, if it refuses to upgrade packages that could result in broken packages, some upgrades will never happen. some upgrades result in a package taking over another, so some package will have to be uninstalled |
| 15:21.54 | r000t | tuv: well the recommendation then would be to use aptitude all the time then |
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| 15:22.40 | ReTyPe-RC1 | what program do i need to see my webcam (stream) ? |
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| 15:23.33 | citral | ReTyPe-RC1: 1) a driver 2) apt-cache search webcam |
| 15:23.33 | cydork | ReTyPe-RC1: you can use xawtv |
| 15:23.39 | POVaddct | how do i limit NX to specific users? |
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| 15:24.27 | r000t | tuv: after installing packages with unresolved depends (dpkg -i packet).. how do i then run aptitude to fix it like .. apt-get -f install |
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| 15:25.22 | tuv | r000t, it should attempt the fix once it's started |
| 15:25.34 | ReTyPe-RC1 | citral & cydork: i know my webcam has linux drivers, and the module is installed, but it doesn't work |
| 15:25.47 | citral | !doesn't work |
| 15:25.47 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 15:25.50 | r000t | tuv: so no cli option then |
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| 15:26.18 | tuv | r000t, no |
| 15:26.29 | ReTyPe-RC1 | citral: i think my webcam isn't recognised by linux as it should be |
| 15:26.51 | cydork | ReTyPe-RC1: check out /msg dpkg webcam |
| 15:27.03 | citral | ReTyPe-RC1: that's way too vague... try launching xawtv from a terminal and notice any error message |
| 15:27.04 | ReTyPe-RC1 | i have a aiptek slimcam 3200 and is listed at http://mxhaard.free.fr/index.html |
| 15:27.38 | r000t | tuv: ok man .. will try to dig in to aptitude a bit .. thanks for the info.. |
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| 15:28.53 | teksimian | yo, anyone read my bmpx HAL problem up there a while back? |
| 15:29.00 | teksimian | so, i installed bmpx, and when it starts i get this message; Volume/Device Management could not be initialized; HAL monitoring of volumes in the library, permanent addition of items to the library and other parts of BMP will not be functional. |
| 15:29.09 | teksimian | Please check your HAL installation and/or contact your distributor. |
| 15:30.09 | ReTyPe-RC1 | citral: it dosn't find a /dev/video0 |
| 15:30.27 | citral | ReTyPe-RC1: so your driver is not loaded |
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| 15:31.04 | stew | teksimian: what does "uname -r" say? and what version of hal do you have installed? |
| 15:31.32 | ReTyPe-RC1 | thats what i have been trying to tell, but i know its installed, i dont know how to load it |
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| 15:32.01 | citral | ReTyPe-RC1: as root, type modprobe driver (without .ko) |
| 15:32.23 | ReTyPe-RC1 | citral: i did, nothing happens |
| 15:32.41 | alexbodn | hi all. how can i invoke dpkg-reconfigure noninteractive-ly? |
| 15:32.47 | teksimian | stew, 2.6.16-2-686 ... i dont even know about hal. |
| 15:32.53 | citral | ReTyPe-RC1: type dmesg |
| 15:33.11 | citral | ReTyPe-RC1: or dmesg | grep video etc. |
| 15:33.43 | citral | ReTyPe-RC1: if anything happened you will see it there |
| 15:33.52 | ReTyPe-RC1 | yes i see a lot there |
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| 15:35.08 | stew | teksimian: what does "apt-cache policy hal" say for "Installed:"? |
| 15:35.28 | teksimian | stew, 0.5.7.1-1 |
| 15:36.19 | teksimian | oh none. |
| 15:36.19 | teksimian | none installed., its a candidate. |
| 15:36.20 | teksimian | well, ill just install the package. |
| 15:37.04 | ReTyPe-RC1 | citral: /usr/src/modules/spca5xx/drivers/usb/spca5xx.c: [spca5xx_open:2437] DEALLOC error on init_Isoc |
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| 15:39.11 | rvalles | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/sag-pam_limits.html |
| 15:39.12 | teksimian | -- libsexy2 (UNSATISFIED) |
| 15:39.15 | teksimian | ahh... lol. |
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| 15:41.48 | teksimian | stew, okay, installed hal, all works ;) thanks. |
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| 15:44.28 | intruder | hi |
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| 15:44.51 | intruder | im searching for a working substitute of loadlin for use within windows xp, anyone has an idea ? |
| 15:45.24 | masadd | hi...i dont have any... |
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| 15:52.53 | alexbodn | bye all |
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| 15:53.39 | Piet | intruder: grub can also be installed within a partition, i.e. not in the MBR |
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| 15:53.56 | Piet | dunno about lilo, i would guess it would work, too |
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| 15:59.19 | Piet | intruder: other similar options are: colinux, ms virtual server, cygwin, xen, vmware ... |
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| 15:59.38 | Piet | or just read a how-to on how to set up dual boot systems |
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| 16:01.38 | intruder | Piet: yea im already using qemu |
| 16:01.51 | intruder | but im looking for native mode |
| 16:02.10 | intruder | colinux |
| 16:02.24 | Deepa | debian > all |
| 16:02.56 | Deepa | im so convinced of it that i based my liveCD distro on debian |
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| 16:04.21 | intruder | Deepa: of course |
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| 16:04.36 | intruder | anything debian-based is good |
| 16:04.36 | Piet | intruder: colinux is native mode, yup |
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| 16:04.55 | quellhorst | are the LSI logic sata raid cards well supported? |
| 16:05.01 | junix-other | how do rebuild my nvidia kernel? |
| 16:05.17 | pipeline | junix-other: module-assistant |
| 16:05.32 | pipeline | quellhorst: Anything LSI logic will work like a champ under linux. |
| 16:05.56 | quellhorst | pipeline, cool, since its $135 cheaper than the comparable 3ware card |
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| 16:06.50 | pipeline | quellhorst: Heh. I don't even do the hardware RAID thing, anymore, unless it's a free packin from dell. |
| 16:07.07 | pipeline | quellhorst: In this day and age, when you can get an 8-port SATA card for 200$, and software RAID kicks so much ass, why bother? :P |
| 16:07.08 | DeniedAcces | hi, someone can help me. My debian seem to block and refuse Philipines region connection |
| 16:07.18 | pipeline | DeniedAcces: That's probably your ISP's doing. |
| 16:07.26 | DeniedAcces | really? :S |
| 16:07.40 | quellhorst | pipeline, well, im getting a this hardware raid card for $294 8 port |
| 16:08.08 | pipeline | quellhorst: Not half bad. I bought a promise 8-port 64 bit card a few months ago for ~100$ :) |
| 16:08.18 | pipeline | quellhorst: For my home machine, why bother buying at retail prices? |
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| 16:08.26 | quellhorst | my motherboard only has 6 sata ports |
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| 16:09.15 | quellhorst | i have 8 hot swap 250gb drives... i could expand to 5 more drives in the future.. want to have 6 disks in raid5 and 2 in raid1... the raid1 would be for my bootable.. in case one fails, i have another. |
| 16:09.24 | Hoxzer | aaargh I'm loosing my mind with xserver-xorg-core |
| 16:09.26 | pipeline | cat /proc/mdstat |
| 16:09.26 | pipeline | md1 : active raid5 sx8/7p1[1] sx8/4p1[0] sx8/5p1[3] sx8/6p1[2] |
| 16:09.26 | pipeline | md0 : active raid5 sx8/0[0] sx8/3[3] sx8/1[2] sx8/2[1] |
| 16:09.41 | quellhorst | pipeline, the performance seemed to suck shit when i pulled out one of my drives in the raid5 array using software raid. |
| 16:10.00 | quellhorst | like even stuff like 'ls /' would basically not run |
| 16:10.02 | pipeline | quellhorst: Uh, yes. RAID5 running in failed mode = high latency. |
| 16:10.07 | pipeline | quellhorst: Not THAT high latency. |
| 16:10.29 | quellhorst | this server will be at a datacenter that i dont see everyday. |
| 16:10.31 | pipeline | quellhorst: But it's definitely non-trivial -- a failed RAID5 array is ~10% CPU usage on my home desktop. Pretty fuckin' nasty. |
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| 16:10.58 | quellhorst | pipeline, haha... so you think i should get an extra sata card then? |
| 16:11.21 | pipeline | quellhorst: For your own personal machine, when your job isn't riding on it? Fuck, hardware raid is such a pain in the ass; usually requires a console etc |
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| 16:11.31 | pipeline | quellhorst: I much prefer software RAID when I can have it :P |
| 16:11.35 | quellhorst | i have a 2 x 2 core x 2ghz xeon woodcrest |
| 16:12.18 | quellhorst | pipeline, have you had a true hardware sata raid card beforez? |
| 16:13.08 | pipeline | quellhorst: Yeah, tons of'em at work. They annoy me, in that it's difficult to manage from inside the OS, and I have to have an active serial console to do anything complicated with them. |
| 16:13.18 | quellhorst | i also noticed some weird IO errors with software raid. like under heavy access i would see 'sense key no sense' |
| 16:13.31 | pipeline | quellhorst: You've run into some very weird things, apparently. |
| 16:13.53 | quellhorst | yeah, thats why i am thinking about the hardware raid card for $300 |
| 16:14.10 | quellhorst | i still have over $3k in my budget. |
| 16:14.14 | pipeline | quellhorst: The only problem I've ever had with the well-tested portions of linux md (namely, raid1 and raid5) is that in case of a power outtage, it sometimes confuses the hell out of itself and will fail to start the array because it's unsure whether data was written. |
| 16:14.35 | pipeline | quellhorst: Heh, 3k, eh? I would consider going whole-hog and buying a FC chassis. You can get an off-brand piece of shit promise for like, 800$ empty. |
| 16:14.37 | quellhorst | ill have battery and generator backup |
| 16:15.01 | pipeline | quellhorst: Is this for your own use, or for some kind of thing that actually matters? :P |
| 16:15.15 | quellhorst | whos to say my own use doesnt matter? |
| 16:15.30 | petemc | me! |
| 16:15.37 | quellhorst | its to put in my rack i lease at a datacenter |
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| 16:16.29 | pipeline | quellhorst: Yes, well, if it takes a couple weeks to work out the kinks at home before coloing it, it doesn't matter for your home use. For some other purpose, that could get expensive :P |
| 16:17.42 | pipeline | quellhorst: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811777007 |
| 16:17.52 | pipeline | quellhorst: That's as cheap as FC gets, and fuckin' a can you cet some serious storage into it. |
| 16:19.00 | quellhorst | dude, i dont need that... i already have a supermicro rackmount chassis |
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| 16:19.12 | quellhorst | if i want FC, i would get a FC card |
| 16:19.16 | stew | bah, just buy another big storage server and run ATAoE |
| 16:20.19 | pipeline | you folks are missing the point of FC :P |
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| 16:20.43 | pipeline | It's the best of software and hardware RAID. As flexible as SW RAID, as reliable as internal HW RAID. |
| 16:20.59 | pipeline | And internal FC is a crock of shit. It's as silly as internal firewire. |
| 16:21.17 | stew | and ATAoE is like FC but it doesn't break the bank |
| 16:21.37 | kristalino | anyone here who knows mailman ? I'd like to use it with several domains. can you help ? |
| 16:22.14 | quellhorst | pipeline, dude the 3k on FC really hurts the $/gb ratio. |
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| 16:23.22 | pipeline | quellhorst: Well, that it does :) |
| 16:23.33 | pipeline | quellhorst: You would have to load the fucker up with 500G drives to get back to a reasonable $/gb |
| 16:23.42 | pipeline | stew: ugh, ATAoE is a dead end. Forget it ever existed. |
| 16:23.50 | pipeline | stew: iSCSI is much better supported across the board. |
| 16:24.14 | pipeline | stew: And using a PC as an iSCSI target leaves you in the same boat as having internal storage :P |
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| 16:25.09 | quellhorst | maybe ill get a local sataII card today, and test out without the hardware raid. |
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| 16:25.09 | quellhorst | if it doesnt work, immediatly order that LSI hardware raid card, before the sale ends. |
| 16:25.56 | quellhorst | pipeline, i would much rather get another box thats a duplicate of this one than to spend it on FC. plus ill be backing up to amazon S3 |
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| 16:26.50 | stew | pipeline: is there something wrong with the ATAoE support? |
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| 16:27.01 | stew | pipeline: its must simpler, and therefor much simpler to support |
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| 16:27.29 | devvvv | Someone know a good data recovery program for ext3 partition? |
| 16:28.37 | quellhorst | sun's VFS or whatever its called is rather neat |
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| 16:29.30 | quellhorst | hmm, so if my /boot is on a software raid1 mirror ext3, then shouldnt it be bootable? |
| 16:29.40 | pego | hi i can't remember how i can remove package that are no more needed, anyone ? |
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| 16:30.00 | cydork | pego: install deborphan |
| 16:30.15 | pipeline | stew: Heh, but vendors don't give a shit about it. |
| 16:30.22 | pipeline | stew: No vendors, no users. Not a very long life expectancy. |
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| 16:30.33 | pipeline | stew: Novell, IBM, Oracle, Redhat, EMC already support iSCSI under Linux. |
| 16:30.40 | pipeline | stew: Hell, even Microsoft supports iSCSI interoperability. |
| 16:30.57 | pipeline | quellhorst: Yeah, but how failover works, well, your guess is as good as mine :) |
| 16:31.10 | dlsusr | hello, I have been using mandrake for a server os since 1998; is there any benefits to switching to a Debian server? |
| 16:31.16 | fas3r | i have forget a module in my new kernel when i have compil it last time. I have select the module in the "make menuconfig" .. and knowjust i need to execute "make modules modules_install" and that all or i need to exxecute "make modules modules_install bzImage" and copy the bzImage in boot ,etc,etc ? |
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| 16:31.23 | pipeline | dlsusr: You never have to touch rpm again. Upgrades work cleanly. |
| 16:31.33 | quellhorst | pipeline, this is why it looks like im ordering that LSI card :) |
| 16:31.52 | quellhorst | im sure it will pay for itself if a drive goes bad. |
| 16:31.57 | pipeline | quellhorst: Hell, it's only a couple hundred dollars difference anyway. |
| 16:32.02 | devcoder | Someone know a good data recovery program for ext3 partition? |
| 16:32.07 | quellhorst | yeah |
| 16:32.19 | dlsusr | is it best to get the Debian server edition vs. say ubuntu? |
| 16:32.19 | quellhorst | i could always go software raid on the 5 extra drives in my box |
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| 16:32.30 | pego | cydork: thanks |
| 16:32.44 | stew | pipeline: vendors? what does it have to do with vendors? its suppoorted by the linux kernel |
| 16:33.04 | pipeline | stew: uhhh.... who do you think does the bulk of the work on the kernel? |
| 16:33.10 | simonrvn | dlsusr: there is no "debian server edition" |
| 16:33.15 | quellhorst | lol for a total of 13 x 250gb = 3.25tb |
| 16:33.19 | pipeline | stew: ATAoE is going to go the way of in-kernel HTTP and any number of other dumbassed things that have been added to the kernel in the past :P |
| 16:33.33 | stew | i doubt it |
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| 16:34.09 | pipeline | Ok. Go on doing that. I'll stick to stuff that' supported by major vendors :P |
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| 16:36.24 | devcoder | Someone know a good data recovery program for ext3 partition? |
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| 16:39.40 | Matt__ | how do i edit fstab to make a separate partition /home in sid? |
| 16:39.49 | valdyn | devcoder: what is broken? |
| 16:40.01 | simonrvn | Matt__: with an editor |
| 16:40.32 | Matt__ | where is the file even located? |
| 16:40.38 | simonrvn | /etc |
| 16:40.54 | simonrvn | like almost every other system config file |
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| 16:42.08 | Matt__ | i wasnt aware thats where the config files were stored. good to know |
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| 16:44.58 | GomitoX | Hey |
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| 16:46.05 | Matt__ | ok so i have the fstab file open, i want hda4 to be my home folder. under mount point do i just change it from /media/hda4 to /home? |
| 16:46.44 | simonrvn | Matt__: might invest in some bandwidth and get yourself the rutebook. available from various places |
| 16:46.47 | simonrvn | !rutebook |
| 16:46.47 | dpkg | hmm... rutebook is an excellent book to learn about GNU/Linux - apt-get install rutebook. you'll need to add 'non-free' to your /etc/apt/sources.list. ask me about non-free |
| 16:47.25 | simonrvn | if that's what you want to do, yes. just unmount it first |
| 16:47.48 | quellhorst | pipeline, ok, should have that card tomorrow ;) |
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| 16:50.36 | GomitoX | I have NFS set up on a LAN here but for some reason it takes a long while to mount shares |
| 16:50.47 | GomitoX | After that it appears to work just fine |
| 16:51.25 | GomitoX | iptables is clear on both machines |
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| 16:51.48 | GomitoX | I found a doc telling me to "check DNS" but I don't think I am using DNS at all for this |
| 16:52.04 | GomitoX | i just tell what I want to mount by IP address |
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| 16:53.30 | simonrvn | do you have stuff like rsize= wsize= in fstab? how about /etc/exports? did you add any "optimising" settings? |
| 16:54.02 | GomitoX | simonrvn: in etc/exports all i have is (rw,sync) |
| 16:54.03 | GomitoX | i am not even using fstab on the client |
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| 16:54.27 | cydork | GomitoX: man 5 nfs |
| 16:54.54 | simonrvn | might consider adding some... also, that might not help, depending on what it is. i saw that sort of behaviour a while ago, but it disappeared since |
| 16:55.20 | simonrvn | many moons ago in fact |
| 16:55.36 | GomitoX | cydork: I just want it to mount "plainly" |
| 16:56.04 | GomitoX | simonrvn: I need to add specific optiosn for this to mount faster? |
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| 16:56.50 | simonrvn | well, i'll give you an example; make sure you go look them up ;), and no, just mount normally ;) |
| 16:57.00 | GomitoX | I have 0 packet loss on ping, too, although this lan does have 2 crappy cascaded hubs |
| 16:57.17 | GomitoX | 1m45 to mount |
| 16:57.20 | GomitoX | just timed it |
| 16:58.30 | simonrvn | all_squash,async,subtree_check; for "guest only" access. the rsize,wsize is in fstab (man fstab) |
| 16:59.18 | GomitoX | I do need sync |
| 16:59.22 | GomitoX | this is for a render farm |
| 16:59.33 | GomitoX | I can't have corrupted stuff laying there |
| 17:00.01 | GomitoX | I'll try rsize, wsize on the client fstab and the other options on /etc/exports |
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| 17:00.06 | GomitoX | i'll let you know |
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| 17:00.45 | JordiGH | I'll ask soon in the debian-legal mailing list, but I'm impatient, and chatty, and I'd like to chat about it realtime first... |
| 17:01.12 | JordiGH | This is about Singular's license. I finally got a response of sorts from the copyright holders, and it seems we have pinpointed the problem. |
| 17:01.41 | JordiGH | The dude who gave a non-free license for one of the Singular components doesn't want his code to be included in commercial (perhaps they meant proprietary?) software without his consent. |
| 17:01.42 | simonrvn | GomitoX: that goes client side, in fstab; might consider something like {r,w}size=16384 |
| 17:01.52 | JordiGH | He's happy with having people modify it and with redistributing it. |
| 17:02.00 | GomitoX | yep got it |
| 17:02.07 | JordiGH | My guess is he just doesn't want business bullies to have it. |
| 17:02.10 | GomitoX | subtree_check is default |
| 17:02.17 | GomitoX | async i don't want |
| 17:02.20 | JordiGH | If I understand his purpose correctly, isn't the GPL just what the doctor ordered for this guy? |
| 17:02.29 | simonrvn | np |
| 17:02.33 | GomitoX | that leaves us with all_squash |
| 17:02.40 | GomitoX | and rsize,wsize |
| 17:02.59 | simonrvn | all_squash sets everyone to 65534:65534 |
| 17:03.38 | simonrvn | well, man nfs; man exports; man fstab has all the data ;) |
| 17:03.49 | GomitoX | yep i'm all over those |
| 17:07.34 | GomitoX | well that did nothing and again it takes exactly 1m45 |
| 17:07.43 | GomitoX | which at least is consisten |
| 17:07.43 | GomitoX | t |
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| 17:09.05 | astorius | hi mates, how to find out which mainboard I'm using in my server? |
| 17:09.10 | astorius | lspci didn't show it |
| 17:09.17 | Ronin | astorius: open the case? |
| 17:09.26 | JordiGH | Is mainboard the motherboard? |
| 17:09.33 | valdyn | astorius: dmidecode |
| 17:09.39 | JordiGH | I wonder if feminists found the name offensive... |
| 17:09.52 | astorius | Ronin: its remote server :) |
| 17:09.53 | Ronin | JordiGH: remember the master and slave silliness a few years ago? |
| 17:09.55 | itchi | When i do an upgrade of the packages i get the following erro http://pastebin.ca/175261 How can i solve this problem? |
| 17:10.02 | JordiGH | "You can't compare motherhood to computer chips!" |
| 17:10.08 | JordiGH | Ronin: I think I missed it, thankfully enough. |
| 17:11.16 | astorius | thx valdyn :)) |
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| 17:12.47 | JordiGH | Ronin: Although I do remmeber someone in a partial differential equations course once get offended about prof using the word "slave" to refer to a function that was dependant on another function. Meh. |
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| 17:13.11 | JordiGH | Maybe prof should have said "the bitch function" and see who got offended with that instead. |
| 17:13.12 | itchi | Someone know how i can do to ignore it? Like it prevent me to install new stuff |
| 17:14.05 | JordiGH | !find eme |
| 17:14.07 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'eme' (15 of 91): asclock-themes ;; attal-themes-medieval ;; blackbox-themes ;; bootsplash-theme-debian ;; chameleon-cursor-theme ;; chemeq ;; cmuscheme48-el ;; dict-elements ;; drscheme ;; drupal-theme-marvinclassic ;; drupal-theme-unconed ;; emacs-color-themes ;; emelfm ;; enlightenment-theme-bluesteel ;; enlightenment-theme-brushedmetal. |
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| 17:14.42 | JordiGH | Anyone know what eme is? |
| 17:14.42 | pmo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.57 | Ronin | pmo: irc of course |
| 17:14.58 | Priest-of-Psi | hi all is there a way to import mail from outlook into mutt? |
| 17:15.04 | JordiGH | pmo: What's messenger? |
| 17:15.13 | Ronin | family is on icq, work is on messenger |
| 17:15.17 | JordiGH | Or chatzone for that matter? |
| 17:15.26 | Ronin | JordiGH: linux geek :) you serioulsy dont know what they mean by messenger? |
| 17:15.37 | JordiGH | I'm guessing it's a chat client like Kopete or GAIM. |
| 17:15.47 | Ronin | wow |
| 17:15.55 | pmo | JordiGH, i think it's yahoos tool .. |
| 17:15.59 | itchi | JordiGH: It's the crap version, aka M$ one |
| 17:16.19 | pmo | Ronin, hard to find chatzone busy.. or maybe i didn't go the right place |
| 17:16.45 | JordiGH | Oh, Yahoo or Microsoft chat client? |
| 17:17.08 | pmo | i mean those tools like jabber are not used .. they don't have chatzone, do they ? |
| 17:17.13 | JordiGH | Most of my friends use the AOL chat network, so GAIM is enough for me. That is, when I'm on a computer without all the chat ports blocked. :-/ |
| 17:17.18 | itchi | JordiGH: msn messenger |
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| 17:18.42 | JordiGH | itchi: Oh. That one. I think I've seen people use it. It's full of ridiculous smileys, aggravating font changes, pop-ups and advertisements. That's the one? |
| 17:18.45 | pmo | Gaim.. but there is no room ? how do you find people to talk to ? |
| 17:18.56 | itchi | JordiGH: Probably ;-) |
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| 17:19.05 | fasta | Shouldn't man gcc give me a manpage when I have gcc installed? |
| 17:19.10 | JordiGH | pmo: I make friends in meatspace. |
| 17:19.17 | JordiGH | fasta: Yes. |
| 17:19.20 | pmo | meatspace |
| 17:19.28 | JordiGH | !meatspace |
| 17:19.38 | fasta | like cyberspace inverted |
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| 17:20.02 | JordiGH | dpkg, meatspace is like cyberspace, but inhabited by carbon-based lifeforms (meat) instead of electrons zapping around a network. |
| 17:20.02 | dpkg | okay, JordiGH |
| 17:20.28 | fasta | JordiGH: hmm, confusing. I wonder what's going on. |
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| 17:21.06 | cydork | fasta: which version of gcc are you using? |
| 17:21.14 | JordiGH | fasta: does /usr/share/man/man1/gcc.1.gz exist? |
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| 17:21.27 | pmo | so you meet people on irc.. exchange gaim and then meet elsewhere |
| 17:21.47 | pmo | but first place to socialize is irc ? |
| 17:21.52 | fasta | cydork: gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20060814 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-11) |
| 17:21.57 | citral | no, real life |
| 17:22.07 | JordiGH | pmo: Uh, usually the people I meet to chat with I meet in cafes, bars, or school. Oh, wait, I also socialise heavily on everything2. |
| 17:22.15 | cydork | fasta: nope then there is no doc available yet :) |
| 17:22.27 | itchi | Someone know how i can solve my trouble ^^ ? |
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| 17:22.38 | fasta | cydork: because? |
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| 17:22.58 | JordiGH | itchi: It looks like the configure script is trying to use a binary called "eme" for stopping and stopping a deamon, but that binary doesn't exist. |
| 17:23.02 | fasta | cydork: why didn't they just include the old docs? |
| 17:23.14 | cydork | fasta: old docs are still there |
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| 17:23.19 | fasta | cydork: where? |
| 17:23.37 | cydork | fasta: you can check man gcc-4.0 |
| 17:23.54 | itchi | JordiGH: He try the mzscheme file i think |
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| 17:24.05 | JordiGH | itchi: My first guess is to find wtf this eme binary is and use dpkg to manually install it. That should let APT finish its work. |
| 17:24.07 | fasta | cydork: ooh, fantastic, consistency. That's how I like it :) |
| 17:24.07 | cydork | fasta: if you have gcc-4.0-doc installed ofcource |
| 17:24.17 | fasta | cydork: of course, thank you |
| 17:24.56 | JordiGH | "Fetched 40.5 MB in 46s" Wow. I'm envious. It takes me about 3 hours to do the same for me. :-( |
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| 17:25.22 | itchi | JordiGH: It's been the file /usr/lib/plt/bin/mzscheme: No such file or directory |
| 17:25.26 | JordiGH | cydork: Huh? Is the gcc manpage in gcc-40.0-doc? That's odd. |
| 17:25.53 | JordiGH | oh! |
| 17:25.57 | JordiGH | !find mzscheme |
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| 17:26.00 | cydork | JordiGH: yep it's in gcc-4.0-doc. |
| 17:26.03 | dpkg | mzscheme: (PLT Scheme Interpreter), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1:352-4 (sid), Packaged size: 4947 kB, Installed size: 23996 kB |
| 17:26.31 | JordiGH | cydork: Is that the way it's supposed to be? Every binary package should at the very least have a stub manpage, methinks. :-/ |
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| 17:27.04 | cydork | JordiGH: have you seen gcc man page?? :) |
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| 17:27.09 | JordiGH | Interpreter? I wonder if the script is using an arcane interpreter you don't have. |
| 17:27.10 | Persilon | Hi, I'm trying to set up a chrooted apache, just for testing I want to chroot in but I get chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 17:27.11 | itchi | JordiGH: I not more need that package, so i want to trash it also. But first get the trouble solved |
| 17:27.19 | JordiGH | cydork: Yes, I know it's huge... but still... |
| 17:27.21 | Persilon | and I have /chroot/bin/bash |
| 17:27.37 | GomitoX | Ok I found the problem |
| 17:27.50 | GomitoX | apparently NFS will try to do a reverse DNS lookup on my private IPs |
| 17:27.50 | cydork | JordiGH: it's just 10489 lines |
| 17:28.02 | GomitoX | which is the stupidest thing I've ever heard |
| 17:28.07 | GomitoX | And apparently it can't be disabled |
| 17:28.13 | JordiGH | itchi: Try to manually download and install the mzscheme package using dpkg. Let APT finish its business. When it's over, remove mzscheme, and let's hope you can do that cleanly. |
| 17:28.30 | Persilon | hola gomitox |
| 17:28.31 | copxer | Hi |
| 17:28.31 | JordiGH | cydork: As manpages go, that's big. |
| 17:28.33 | Persilon | jaja |
| 17:28.43 | cydork | JordiGH: nope sorry the correct no. is 8264 |
| 17:28.54 | GomitoX | hola o_O |
| 17:28.54 | JordiGH | 8756 on mine. |
| 17:28.58 | itchi | JordiGH: That way 'dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/mzscheme_1%3a352-4_i386.deb' ? |
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| 17:29.04 | JordiGH | itchi: Try it. |
| 17:29.16 | itchi | JordiGH: Same error :-( |
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| 17:29.46 | JordiGH | Oh, of course it is. |
| 17:29.49 | JordiGH | Hmm.... |
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| 17:30.04 | JordiGH | I wonder if the package maintainer was stupid enough to make mzscheme depend on itself for installation. |
| 17:30.08 | GomitoX | o_O lilo died? |
| 17:30.20 | GomitoX | fuck |
| 17:30.26 | itchi | GomitoX: Yes, RIP lilo |
| 17:30.51 | itchi | GomitoX: Most great people not life for long time :-( |
| 17:31.03 | JordiGH | itchi: Er, this is terrible advice, but you could try forcing. :-/ |
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| 17:31.28 | JordiGH | I don't think forcing here would have adverse effects... but I don't know. |
| 17:32.05 | itchi | JordiGH: How do you sugest to install it in an force way? Have already read the --force-help, but not realy understand it and like there is noted ... for experts only ... |
| 17:32.19 | GomitoX | shouldn't this host being in /etc/hosts prevent NFS from doing reverse DNS on an address? |
| 17:32.26 | stew | itchi: just put "exit 0" as the second line of /var/lig/dpkg/info/mzscheme.prerm |
| 17:32.39 | JordiGH | itchi: listen to stew instead. |
| 17:32.58 | itchi | stew: Gona try that ;-) Thanks |
| 17:32.59 | JordiGH | Which is sorta amounting to the same thing... it's still a force of sorts. |
| 17:34.08 | itchi | Gona paste the content of the file, to be sure |
| 17:34.20 | JordiGH | !greet Zuko-Blast |
| 17:34.20 | dpkg | Tag, Zuko-Blast |
| 17:34.29 | stew | you're it! |
| 17:34.49 | itchi | stew: http://pastebin.ca/175284 Just after that 'set -e' |
| 17:34.49 | Zuko-Blast | j |
| 17:35.02 | simonrvn | what's the utils to dump out debconf settings? |
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| 17:35.10 | stew | itchi: sure |
| 17:35.35 | simonrvn | i have debconf-utils installed, but it just has stuff like debconf-get-selections |
| 17:35.35 | Zaib_ | guys i m getting a problem booting debian from Live CD .... after i patched my kernel 2.6.17 with linux-patch-bootsplash |
| 17:35.51 | JordiGH | There's a Debian livecd now? |
| 17:36.00 | JordiGH | When did they make it? |
| 17:36.03 | simonrvn | news to me |
| 17:36.04 | stew | JordiGH: live.debian.org |
| 17:36.07 | Zaib_ | it says mount: devfs coud not mount : no such file |
| 17:36.17 | stew | err .net? |
| 17:36.34 | Zaib_ | i dont know why its calling devfs coz devfs is not available under kernel 2.6.17 |
| 17:36.35 | JordiGH | stew: You pulling my leg? |
| 17:36.38 | simonrvn | yeh .net |
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| 17:36.46 | simonrvn | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 17:36.50 | stew | JordiGH: no, http://live.debian.net its a work in progress |
| 17:37.16 | simonrvn | irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-live |
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| 17:38.05 | itchi | stew: Then need i do 'apt-get upgrade'? |
| 17:38.39 | JordiGH | itchi: By the way, I recommend switching to aptitude next time you upgrade. It's usually smarter than apt-get. |
| 17:39.06 | citral | meh apt is smart |
| 17:39.07 | stew | itchi: then you can remove that package successfully and continue doing whatever you were doing |
| 17:39.08 | JordiGH | stew: Interesting. |
| 17:39.14 | JordiGH | citral: Aptitude is smarter. :-) |
| 17:39.58 | citral | well, so long rpm sucks everything is ok I guess |
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| 17:40.08 | JordiGH | !start a package manager war |
| 17:40.08 | dpkg | dpkg is the winner! |
| 17:40.11 | JordiGH | Woohoo! |
| 17:40.12 | citral | heh |
| 17:40.22 | itchi | I'm loosed a bit, did that change in the /var/lig/dpkg/info/mzscheme.prerm file and then did an apt-get upgrade but the error still leave :-/ |
| 17:40.24 | JordiGH | But I think the ref was biased on that war... |
| 17:41.38 | cydork | JordiGH: TMI |
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| 17:44.12 | stew | itchi: put the error you are getting into a pastebin |
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| 17:47.43 | itchi | stew & JordiGH : Beer to you, many beer! ;-) I did apt-get remove mzscheme, with that it's been removed, with that apt-get upgrade the error still leaved |
| 17:48.38 | ofer1 | !beer itchi |
| 17:48.47 | lanchow | Q: i have a computer with Windows on the LAN, and i'd want to open a graphical session from my computer with linux, what tool do i need please ? |
| 17:48.49 | ofer1 | dpkg, love |
| 17:48.49 | dpkg | Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. |
| 17:49.04 | ofer1 | Ouch, I cut myself shaving. |
| 17:49.24 | ofer1 | lanchow, you can use VNC |
| 17:49.30 | JordiGH | lanchow: You want the penguinified box to open a connection to the unholy operating system? I think rdesktop is for that. |
| 17:50.03 | lanchow | thank you both, i gonna look for more info at www |
| 17:50.12 | JordiGH | ofer1: ?? Ok, I thought that was an e2 in-joke. What's this about ice weasels? |
| 17:50.17 | Zuko-Blast | tigthvnc is better |
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| 17:51.37 | JordiGH | All these YouTube sites people are posting all over the place use .flv which I understand can be viewed with free tools. Real or malarkey? |
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| 17:54.46 | JordiGH | Oh. The love quote is a Matt Groening quote. |
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| 17:55.20 | Hoxzer | :) seems like I have nvidia-glx-legacy half installed or something :) |
| 17:55.31 | Hoxzer | so my system is littlebit messed up |
| 17:55.32 | Hoxzer | :) |
| 17:55.55 | Hoxzer | and I cannot do "dpkg --force-all --purge nvidia-glx-legacy" |
| 17:56.05 | fasta | Hoxzer: any system with nvidia has that property. |
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| 17:56.39 | Zuko-Blast | hi, i m having a very big trouble with my debian. Could someone help me ? |
| 17:56.52 | Hoxzer | fasta: yeah, but I cannot install nvidia-glx because it has conflict (or something) with nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 17:57.05 | fasta | Hoxzer: or something is not an error. |
| 17:57.19 | fasta | Hoxzer: if you want people to help you, put them in a position where that is possible. |
| 17:57.35 | fasta | Hoxzer: i.e. paste the complete error in some paste service, and not in the channel. |
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| 17:59.07 | Hoxzer | http://pastebin.ca/175301 |
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| 17:59.36 | qent | <paster>line</paster> |
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| 17:59.59 | JordiGH | What a strange creature OpenBSD. I swear that if it weren't for OpenSSH, my respect for that *nix would be nil. |
| 18:00.35 | JordiGH | !openbsd |
| 18:00.35 | dpkg | openbsd is probably a secure Unix-like operating system (www.openbsd.org), forked from NetBSD, with emphasis on security and portability. Led by Theo de Raadt, a person nearly as beloved as Dan Bernstein. One remote hole in the default install in over 8 years. |
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| 18:01.11 | Ronin | ha, nearly as beloved as dan? theo has personality problems as well i see |
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| 18:01.40 | JordiGH | Is Theo de Radt doing everything alone in OpenBSD? |
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| 18:03.12 | Tenkawa | there any reasonable way to update a whole set of alternatives at omce.. ie all of the java ones |
| 18:03.23 | fasta | JordiGH: why would he |
| 18:03.28 | fasta | JordiGH: ? |
| 18:03.35 | Tenkawa | update-aternatives --set could be quite problematic if you miss one |
| 18:04.13 | JordiGH | fasta: Actually, I don't expect him to be alone, but it's strange to credit a distribution to a single individual... but I suppose that happens with slackware and ubuntu too. |
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| 18:04.56 | kreg_work | such a thing as flushing dns cache on a debian workstation? |
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| 18:05.17 | fasta | JordiGH: social reasons, if you figure them out, tell me. |
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| 18:06.30 | JordiGH | Speaking of socialism, what's a smart way to handle debian high-volume lists? I'm starting to think that using gmail and filters isn't very effective, and that's only with 3 lists. :-/ |
| 18:06.37 | row | A few days ago I by mistake filled the root parition, now lots of services don't start on report I need to start them via /etc/init.d/servicename start is there anyway to rebuild the startup scripts so they start on reboot? |
| 18:06.49 | row | such as apache2/samba/mysqld |
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| 18:12.29 | quellhorst | pipeline, looks like some of my problems may have been because of a faulty sata cable |
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| 18:20.09 | Empty | row, your problenms are likely service specigfic,... Mysql DBs will probably need to be fixed etc |
| 18:20.21 | Empty | wow my seplling sucked there |
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| 18:22.32 | Empty | Anyway, here's one fr any X gurus. I am running an ATI Mobility graphics card in my IBM T42. Recently it started blanking the creen at random times |
| 18:23.02 | Empty | Oh man, wrong channel- sorry guys |
| 18:23.43 | Hoxzer | http://pastebin.ca/175329 <- any ideas what to do or what to read to fix this? :E |
| 18:23.45 | Alexismoy | fork: Resource temporarily nonavailable <= any idea why I'v got that? |
| 18:24.08 | Gathond | Alexismoy: yes you hit your process limit |
| 18:24.37 | Gathond | Alexismoy: either raise it for whatever process that attempted to start another child, close something or talk to the admin about it |
| 18:24.48 | fasta | JordiGH: I believe kernel hackers use a tagging system to only read mail they are interested in. The rest is just never shown in their interface. |
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| 18:26.09 | mgois | hello. How can I remove kdegames and all the dependent packages using apt? (apt-get --purge remove kdegames doesn't work) |
| 18:26.24 | Alexismoy | Gathond, but the limit is 10 process and there is less than 10 process started |
| 18:26.27 | abrotman | use aptitude next time |
| 18:26.35 | fasta | Is there some easy way to upgrade all packages that don't have a bug? |
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| 18:27.05 | JordiGH | fasta: Hah! And how do you know which ones don't have bugs? |
| 18:27.17 | zinx | fasta: Run stable and upgrade all packages. |
| 18:27.19 | Gathond | Alexismoy: there might be more processes than you think, that or the system ran into a system wide limit |
| 18:27.22 | JordiGH | fasta: Only TeX is, by definition, bug-free. |
| 18:27.41 | fasta | JordiGH: TeX is not yet bug-free, |
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| 18:27.52 | zinx | XMMS has zero defects |
| 18:27.56 | JordiGH | fasta: Yes it is. It's bug-free. By definition. ;-) |
| 18:28.14 | fasta | JordiGH: I thought that would happen when he dies. |
| 18:28.23 | JordiGH | fasta: If TeX ever does something you think it shouldn't do, that's not a bug. That's you misinterpreting what TeX should be doing. Ask Knuth. ;-) |
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| 18:28.57 | JordiGH | No, I'm pretty sure TeX is defined to be bug-free right now. |
| 18:30.10 | fasta | JordiGH: http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=TeXfuture |
| 18:30.14 | fasta | JordiGH: you are wrong |
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| 18:33.33 | JordiGH | Ack. I'm sure I read it in Knuth's page that he claimed bug-freeness. Just you wait, you... |
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| 18:34.32 | fasta | JordiGH: you do that :) |
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| 18:36.06 | JordiGH | Ooh, TAoCP vol 4 is almost ready. I do hope he finishes them before he dies. |
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| 18:37.27 | hawky | can someone help me with my python packages I can't do updates http://pastebin.ca/175333 |
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| 18:37.52 | qent | how can i install qmail on sarge 3.1 stable ? |
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| 18:38.37 | cydork | qent, try bpo |
| 18:38.49 | qent | bpo ? |
| 18:39.15 | cydork | !tell qent about bpo |
| 18:39.15 | abrotman | qent: use qmail-src |
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| 18:39.15 | abrotman | !info qmail-src sarge |
| 18:39.15 | dpkg | qmail-src: (Source only package for building qmail binary package), section non-free/mail, is extra. Version: 1.03-38 (sarge), Packaged size: 565 kB, Installed size: 648 kB |
| 18:39.16 | abrotman | it's in non-free |
| 18:39.24 | cydork | oh ok |
| 18:39.34 | cydork | qent, forget what i said :) |
| 18:39.55 | abrotman | there isn't likely to be a backport because of the stupid license on qmail |
| 18:39.56 | qent | !info pop sarge |
| 18:39.57 | qent | (: |
| 18:40.25 | cydork | abrotman, it cant be packaged as binary i guess. like pine |
| 18:40.33 | qent | i want install qmail, vpopmail, pop3, imap, smtp |
| 18:40.36 | qent | and webmail |
| 18:40.38 | abrotman | cydork: it's more than that |
| 18:40.51 | abrotman | qent: honestly .. consider postfix or exim or even sendmail |
| 18:40.58 | cydork | abrotman, oh ok i have no idea about qmail .. |
| 18:41.01 | abrotman | djb is just an all around ass |
| 18:41.17 | qent | i have now sendmail but dont work |
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| 18:41.32 | qent | do'nt send email |
| 18:41.48 | qent | i try flush all mail on webmin but dont work |
| 18:41.59 | qent | i want install qmail, thanks for help |
| 18:42.12 | abrotman | i'd rather fix sendmail then come anywhere near qmail |
| 18:42.23 | abrotman | cydork: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qmail |
| 18:42.31 | bronze_|| | .me gives abrotman a cookie AND a donut! |
| 18:42.31 | _roconnor | does cdebootstrap make a log file somewhere? |
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| 18:43.11 | abrotman | cydork: i've adminned sendmail/postfix/qmail/exchange .. qmail was the biggest pain of the four |
| 18:43.21 | meheren | does anyone know what cleint is more lightweight? frsotwire or limewire? |
| 18:43.23 | abrotman | sendmail wasn't fun .. but qmail was a bear |
| 18:43.39 | abrotman | cydork: of course .. that's my subjective opinion :) |
| 18:43.47 | cydork | abrotman, hehe :) |
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| 18:44.46 | cydork | abrotman, i have tried postfix and exim. never touched sendmail or qmail |
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| 18:45.44 | fasta | JordiGH: already found it? ^-^ |
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| 18:46.15 | meheren | does anyone know what cleint is more lightweight? frostwire or limewire? |
| 18:46.27 | cydork | !anyone |
| 18:46.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 18:46.37 | cydork | bah.. |
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| 18:47.19 | abrotman | meheren: stop repeating .. try them both .. find out for yourself |
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| 18:47.49 | meheren | ok |
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| 18:47.59 | abrotman | especially considering neither are in debian |
| 18:48.10 | fasta | Where do I get apt-setup? |
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| 18:49.13 | cydork | fasta, are you using sarge? |
| 18:49.21 | JloR | I'm trying to install etch (the testing beta3 of debian), and I've read it can setup encrypted partitions for you during install - how? My installer never asks me about anything encryption related. |
| 18:49.31 | fasta | cydork: no |
| 18:50.01 | cydork | fasta, then forget about it. it's not in etch or sid |
| 18:50.41 | fasta | cydork: ok, I need to switch to sarge in december, that's all I know :) |
| 18:50.49 | abrotman | you mean etch ? |
| 18:50.53 | fasta | yes |
| 18:51.01 | abrotman | you should track etch now if that's what you want |
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| 18:51.43 | fasta | abrotman: Wasn't downgrading impossible? |
| 18:51.57 | fasta | abrotman: well unsupported |
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| 18:52.14 | abrotman | what are tyou running now? |
| 18:52.16 | fasta | sid |
| 18:52.29 | dan2 | abrotman: how are ya |
| 18:52.30 | abrotman | well .. then you should switch to testing .. but you'll never really be running etch |
| 18:52.34 | abrotman | dan2: eagles suck |
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| 18:52.45 | dan2 | abrotman: I've joined the Cowboys cult |
| 18:52.49 | dan2 | abrotman: Eagles blow ass |
| 18:52.51 | dan2 | ;0 |
| 18:53.02 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:53.02 | ofer1 | dan2, you like John Wayne ? |
| 18:53.09 | JloR | Anyone in here have experience with Etch's encryption thingy in the installer? |
| 18:53.30 | ofer1 | JloR, I wouldn't recommend using an encrypted main partition. |
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| 18:53.36 | ofer1 | s/main/root/; |
| 18:53.40 | JloR | ofer1 it works for me on gentoo. |
| 18:53.55 | fasta | !gentoo |
| 18:53.55 | dpkg | methinks gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 18:54.10 | ofer1 | JloR, I never said it doesn't work, I just said I wouldn't recommend you to do so. |
| 18:54.16 | JloR | thanks :) |
| 18:54.25 | JloR | I'll try it anyway. |
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| 18:54.58 | JloR | But I read that etch supports encrypting partitions during the install, yet I cant seem to find that option in the installer. |
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| 18:55.14 | myren | i have a file whose filename starts with -_ |
| 18:55.36 | myren | mv keeps telling me: mv: invalid option -- _ |
| 18:55.46 | stew | myren: mv -- -_whatever newname |
| 18:55.49 | ofer1 | myren, try it: mv -- -_yourfile somefile |
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| 18:56.09 | stew | myren: -- means "stop looking for options" |
| 18:56.16 | myren | cool |
| 18:56.22 | myren | thanks! |
| 18:56.29 | ofer1 | or use Perl :) perl -le 'rename("oldfile","newfile")' |
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| 18:58.57 | tziku` | how can i change hostname ? |
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| 18:59.15 | tziku` | servername |
| 18:59.15 | tziku` | sorry |
| 18:59.59 | scud | with mkreiserfs -l data /dev/XXX after it formats and if I put LABEL=/data /data reiserfs 0 1 in /etc/fstab then do a mount -a, it says it cant find label=/data |
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| 19:00.04 | scud | what am i doing wrong? |
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| 19:02.19 | xsappyx | scud: LABEL seems to be a redhat thing from my experience, ive never used it with a debian box /dev/sda5 /opt reiserfs defaults 0 2 |
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| 19:02.26 | fasta | abrotman: so when etch is released I should change my distribution to stable? |
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| 19:03.35 | laurens | hi |
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| 19:04.00 | cyzie | hi, after apt-get update, how can i show all the packages comes from a certain repos (URL) ? |
| 19:04.08 | PoWeRKiLL | hi |
| 19:04.16 | PoWeRKiLL | You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.16-2-686 kernel installed. |
| 19:04.24 | PoWeRKiLL | how can i get it on debian testing ? |
| 19:04.37 | cydork | JloR, check http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html |
| 19:04.58 | JloR | thanks! |
| 19:04.59 | laurens | PoWeRKiLL: easiest way = aptitude |
| 19:05.21 | RvGaTe | Im trying to install some drivers i found for my tv tuner... whe trying to install it says: please install kernel source, when looking for kernel-source packages, it gives me 2.2.25 2.4.27 and 2.6.8, what should i get? (currently on 2.4 with "kernelversion") |
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| 19:06.00 | laurens | RvGaTe: output of uname -a |
| 19:06.02 | RvGaTe | 2.4.27 |
| 19:06.07 | RvGaTe | laurens, ^^ |
| 19:06.13 | abrotman | fasta: uh .. you'll probably never have a true etch system |
| 19:06.13 | laurens | RvGaTe: thats bot the output of uname -a |
| 19:06.23 | laurens | RvGaTe: thats at best the output of uname -r on vanilla |
| 19:06.29 | RvGaTe | laurens, Linux server 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:06.44 | abrotman | PoWeRKiLL: apt-cache search linux-source-2.6 |
| 19:06.44 | fasta | abrotman: yes, so reinstall is the only real solution. |
| 19:06.53 | tziku` | how can i change: "uname -n" ? |
| 19:07.07 | abrotman | fasta: only if you want a true etch system |
| 19:07.34 | simonrvn | edit /etc/hostname, /etc/sysctl.conf, /etc/hosts |
| 19:07.48 | cyzie | hi, after apt-get update, how can i show all the packages comes from a certain repos (URL) ? |
| 19:07.56 | stew | tziku`: /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 19:08.25 | fasta | abrotman: I want to tinker around with new software that I choose. With other software I don't need a lot of features, I just want them to work. |
| 19:08.37 | abrotman | fasta: so you use unstable ? |
| 19:08.39 | laurens | RvGaTe: sorry im a bit busy atm, basically look for linux-source-2.4.27-2 in aptitude |
| 19:08.57 | RvGaTe | laurens, will do, thx |
| 19:09.00 | laurens | RvGaTe: ignore the -386 you got from uname -a but the -386 is relevant |
| 19:09.02 | laurens | err |
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| 19:09.06 | laurens | RvGaTe: but the -2 is relevant |
| 19:09.11 | simonrvn | um, unstable isn't for you then, fasta |
| 19:09.12 | fasta | abrotman: ok, I thought that using stable would also provide the same. |
| 19:09.29 | fasta | simonrvn: right, I figured that out months ago |
| 19:09.30 | tziku` | thanks :) |
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| 19:09.53 | stew | RvGaTe: you want kerenl headers, not kernel source, "apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" |
| 19:10.10 | sticky | Why not use testing? I use it on my servers and it 'just works' |
| 19:10.28 | fasta | sticky: because that's a stupid thing to do. |
| 19:10.31 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 19:10.32 | stew | sticky: testing is not a good choice for servers since it doens't get security updates |
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| 19:10.36 | fasta | sticky: google for reasons |
| 19:10.42 | simonrvn | fasta: testing has security updates... |
| 19:10.49 | stew | simonrvn: no it doesn't |
| 19:10.50 | simonrvn | yes it does |
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| 19:10.56 | fasta | simonrvn: since when? |
| 19:10.56 | MatBoy | abrotman, Nvidia is working :) |
| 19:10.58 | stew | simonrvn: when was the last security update for testing? |
| 19:11.02 | Janne_Doe | hi everyone |
| 19:11.05 | RvGaTe | stew, rgr that, trying it now |
| 19:11.14 | simonrvn | show me then. burden of proof is on you |
| 19:11.32 | fasta | simonrvn: how can I proof something doesn't exist? |
| 19:11.36 | sticky | It's not a stupid thing to do, I don't care if it gives security updates... because I don't rely on apt to kepe things updated. |
| 19:12.11 | fasta | s/proof/prove |
| 19:12.13 | stew | simonrvn: http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz read the list of pacakges which have been released for testing, its only 3 or 4 source packages, the last was a long time ago, all have been superceded |
| 19:12.47 | simonrvn | fasta: like that ^^ |
| 19:12.47 | sticky | I still find etch to be a nice release |
| 19:12.57 | Craigevil | for a server you should stick with stable, |
| 19:13.01 | stew | oh, maybe its up to 5 pacakges now |
| 19:13.04 | simonrvn | hm, you're right. why did they stop that? |
| 19:13.06 | fasta | simonrvn: heh |
| 19:13.08 | Janne_Doe | Maybe you can help me: I have installed xfce4 from debian repositories with apt-get, no problem... But xfce gives me problems to login as a user (no panel, no menu with right click...). So I tried as root ans it works fine... Then my question is why xfce bugs with users? |
| 19:13.16 | sticky | Craigevil: kind of hard when your server has ghetto hardware and won't work with stable ;) |
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| 19:13.32 | JloR | cydork I'm still sort of confused.. That link is very very nice, and after reading a bit I get the impression that i need to boot the install cd with the parameters "debian-installer/partman-crypto" which doesn't work.. |
| 19:13.43 | simonrvn | ghetto, you mean dumster? ;) |
| 19:13.47 | Craigevil | meh you can alwyas use sid |
| 19:13.50 | abrotman | fasta: huh ? |
| 19:13.50 | simonrvn | dumpster* |
| 19:14.13 | fasta | abrotman: ? |
| 19:14.16 | fas3r_ | i have forget a module in my new kernel when i have compil it last time. I have select the module in the "make menuconfig" .. and knowjust i need to execute "make modules modules_install" and that all or i need to exxecute "make modules modules_install bzImage" and copy the bzImage in boot ,etc,etc ? |
| 19:14.22 | stew | so the blender package is still current, but that's non-free |
| 19:14.46 | Janne_Doe | does someone have a way? |
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| 19:15.04 | simonrvn | my public server runs sid, and is kept up to date... the private one doesn't have direct link to the wild wild 'net |
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| 19:15.21 | sticky | by ghetto I mean; terrible, the bios was bad, used an ATI chipset, ended up having to compile our own kernel so it wouldnt be tripple speed (every second the clock thought 3 seconds passed), just bad luck with the server I'm talking about |
| 19:16.36 | stew | Janne_Doe: does the same problem happen if you add a new user to the system and login as that user? |
| 19:16.46 | simonrvn | hm |
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| 19:17.16 | simonrvn | well, it's too bad they stopped it... was a good idea |
| 19:17.59 | Janne_Doe | stew, Itried, the new user worked, but now... It the same as the other... |
| 19:18.45 | row | Empty: apache tho? |
| 19:18.52 | row | and samba? |
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| 19:21.51 | hans0lo | Has anyone used eSATA with Debian? What controller do you recommend? |
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| 19:24.29 | lws | hans0lo: eSATA is just a special jack. You can buy fake PCI cards that plug into an internal SATA slot and give you an eSATA port. |
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| 19:25.44 | itchi | Using Etch and have install the ati like dpkg the bot tell. 3D not work. With dmesg i get the following message fglrx: version magic '2.6.15-1-k7 K7 gcc-4.1' should be '2.6.15-1-k7 K7 gcc-4.0' What about it? |
| 19:25.44 | fas3r_ | i have a bi-processor, do you know if it's possible to ssee the ressource of it with a software ? |
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| 19:26.23 | hans0lo | lws: OK, good to know. So, would it then be safe to hotplug a SATA drive while Debian is running (of course while the drive is not mounted) |
| 19:26.47 | lws | hans0lo: eSATA? |
| 19:27.10 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 19:27.23 | lws | hans0lo: It should be. |
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| 19:29.56 | scud | xsappyx: ok cool |
| 19:30.07 | MatBoy | Testing is a great advantage now :) |
| 19:30.29 | MatBoy | linuxsociety ? |
| 19:31.28 | MatBoy | !beer Piggy |
| 19:31.34 | itchi | *** ttyfscker invites you to #linuxsociety |
| 19:31.36 | itchi | ?? |
| 19:31.40 | ttyfscker | yes |
| 19:31.44 | itchi | Everyone get that invitation? |
| 19:31.47 | ttyfscker | no |
| 19:31.49 | MatBoy | yep |
| 19:31.51 | ttyfscker | im not doing mass invites |
| 19:31.57 | ttyfscker | just the people that are being active |
| 19:32.01 | ttyfscker | im not spamming |
| 19:32.02 | MatBoy | :D |
| 19:32.11 | ttyfscker | just trying to get some random people from diff distros to join our group |
| 19:32.15 | ttyfscker | sorry if i offended you guys |
| 19:32.24 | sussudio | !fist ttyfscker |
| 19:32.34 | ttyfscker | hahaa |
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| 19:37.29 | dimes | anyone know of a good page/howto on adding files to an initrd img? Much thanks if you do |
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| 19:41.17 | scud | in /etc/fstab where can I find out what the dump and pass options mean? |
| 19:41.22 | scud | like defaults 0 1 |
| 19:41.58 | stew | scud: man fstab |
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| 19:42.28 | PepperBob | scud: last two sections |
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| 19:42.55 | stew | dimes: which initrd creator are you using? |
| 19:43.08 | scud | coo lthanks |
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| 19:45.42 | gokee2_ | Anyone know you to change tabs in irssi? I want to talk to dpkg about making my nvidia module work again. |
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| 19:48.19 | ShredZ | Anyone know of a motherboard that supports RIMM memory and has pci express ? |
| 19:48.39 | TARZEAU | !popcon |
| 19:48.39 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:49.01 | TARZEAU | gokee2_: /win windownumber ? ctrl a/n ? alt-a ? |
| 19:49.08 | TARZEAU | gokee2_: or just /query dpkg ? |
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| 19:49.46 | stew | or /win goto dpkg |
| 19:49.50 | gokee2_ | |
| 19:50.45 | gokee2_ | TARZEAU: Got it ctr+n :) |
| 19:51.02 | gokee2_ | But the nvidia build failed |
| 19:51.12 | gokee2_ | I am going to use nv and start my xserver |
| 19:51.15 | TARZEAU | gokee2_: aha. i've got some script to make it automatic |
| 19:51.22 | TARZEAU | gokee2_: /msg me if you want to use it |
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| 19:51.34 | TARZEAU | gokee2_: checked the log why it failed? |
| 19:51.38 | TARZEAU | gokee2_: sid or sarge? |
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| 19:51.46 | TARZEAU | gokee2_: it should be easy to fix... |
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| 19:52.44 | abrotman | ShredZ: ask #hardware |
| 19:52.48 | TARZEAU | this months blender gallery is fun |
| 19:52.51 | gokee2_ | TARZEAU: it failed er one sec |
| 19:52.54 | dimes | anyone on got initrd-foo? |
| 19:53.06 | TARZEAU | dimes: checked the mailinglists? |
| 19:53.12 | wobster | Hi everyone. What is the right place to set kernel module parameters? Simply append them in /etc/modules or does debian have some dedicated place for that? |
| 19:53.19 | TARZEAU | dimes: i think you can use the openbsd inetd something |
| 19:53.24 | TARZEAU | !sid faq |
| 19:53.24 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 19:53.27 | stew | dimes: which initrd creator are you using? |
| 19:53.32 | TARZEAU | wobster: yes that's right |
| 19:53.43 | wobster | TARZEAU, thank you. |
| 19:53.45 | gokee2_ | TARZEAU: hmm it says the targit was not set and its not writable... I think I forgot something |
| 19:53.52 | TARZEAU | oh wait initrd , not inetd |
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| 19:54.08 | itchi | TARZEAU: Is Etch not good? |
| 19:54.08 | dimes | stew: I am running sarge, but don't mind moving to etch |
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| 19:54.21 | gokee2_ | I am useing testing |
| 19:54.26 | dimes | so initialy mkinitrd |
| 19:54.26 | gokee2_ | using* |
| 19:54.36 | dimes | stew: but initramfs is fine |
| 19:54.53 | dimes | I just can't find any good docs on adding files to a debian initrd img |
| 19:55.52 | TARZEAU | itchi: i don't like testing |
| 19:55.58 | dimes | stew: The new etch initrd has the qlogic drivers I need, but the new kernel keeps the firmware on the root file system which is not accessable at boot/initrd time |
| 19:56.10 | TARZEAU | itchi: i either always run stable (at work) or sid (i love sid, especially with experimental) |
| 19:56.19 | ShredZ | Any good info on how to make a custom debian live CD with default settings, user(s) and programs ? |
| 19:56.24 | dimes | stew: which makes teh inclusion on the qlogic drivers quite funny |
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| 19:57.12 | TARZEAU | ShredZ: live-package |
| 19:57.25 | ShredZ | !live-package |
| 19:57.25 | stew | dimes: mkinitrd uses cramfs, so you would mount the old image, copy the contents out to another directory, add the files you want, then user mkcramfs (from the cramfsprogs pacakge) to create a new image |
| 19:57.25 | itchi | TARZEAU: I guess that there could be are many more troubles with sid? I'm using Testing here to try to help a bit with finding bugs about it |
| 19:57.31 | gokee2_ | Ok here is the message module assist gives me "$KPKG_DEST_DIR is not set and the target is not writable for you. The build will probibly fail... ANd it does |
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| 19:57.47 | TARZEAU | itchi: i don't have any troubles. read the sid faq? |
| 19:57.55 | TARZEAU | itchi: but then maybe it's my software selection |
| 19:58.01 | TARZEAU | itchi: i don't use any qt/gtk/gnome/kde software |
| 19:58.29 | TARZEAU | itchi: but helping finding/fixing bugs is good (however in testing you might stumble about things that are long ago fixed in sid) |
| 19:58.30 | stew | dimes: if you are using initrafs-tools, the initrd is just a gzipped cpio archive, so its zcat "initrdfile | cpio -o" to extract the contents, then "cpio -i | gzip -c" to create a new initrd |
| 19:58.49 | itchi | TARZEAU: Using xfce actually, but like also fluxbox. What is kde and gnome?? :-p |
| 19:59.10 | TARZEAU | itchi: you know, a windowmanager won't get your work done :) |
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| 19:59.14 | dimes | stew: thought so, but there are some options to the cpio archive that I can't find |
| 19:59.28 | itchi | TARZEAU: Use you windowmaker? |
| 19:59.39 | itchi | TARZEAU: You are been the ch guy? |
| 19:59.42 | TARZEAU | itchi: yes, but window maker just manages my windows |
| 20:00.02 | TARZEAU | itchi: the ch guy? wait what are they telling about the ch guy? besides i'm NOT a ch guy, i just live in ch |
| 20:00.34 | itchi | TARZEAU: Sorry my english is bad ;-) |
| 20:01.37 | MatBoy | How is splashy working now ? It was crashing here before just at once ? I doubt if I want to install it again. |
| 20:02.27 | PDani | hi |
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| 20:03.19 | PDani | i tried to dist-upgrade from sarge to etch on an amd64 system, and i got the following message: A copy of glibc was found in an unexpected directory. |
| 20:03.19 | PDani | c was found in an unexpected directory. |
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| 20:04.13 | stew | dimes: no, its just "mkdir /tmp/foo ; cd /tmp/foo ; zcat /boot/initrd.img-$version | cpio -i" |
| 20:04.16 | hell-patrol | hello all |
| 20:04.33 | stew | dimes: oh, i probably told you the -i -o for cpio backwards, i always have to look those up |
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| 20:05.04 | hell-patrol | i have problem, how can i boot in secure mode... ot debian boot loader is grub? |
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| 20:05.35 | pestilence | i have a ext3 filesystem that won't mount |
| 20:05.41 | pestilence | when i run fsck on it i get this error |
| 20:05.49 | pestilence | superblock has a bad ext3 journal |
| 20:05.49 | stew | hell-patrol: what is secure mode? |
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| 20:05.58 | pestilence | then i get prompted to clear the journal....should i do this? |
| 20:05.59 | hell-patrol | no root pass |
| 20:06.07 | pestilence | will i lose data? |
| 20:06.15 | pestilence | this is a raid5, with 2 terabytes of data :-( |
| 20:06.33 | stew | hell-patrol: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:06.41 | hell-patrol | i lost my root password |
| 20:06.49 | hell-patrol | and now how can i restore |
| 20:06.58 | stew | hell-patrol: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 20:07.05 | hell-patrol | xaxaxa |
| 20:07.08 | hell-patrol | is not funny! |
| 20:07.18 | stew | dpkg: tell hell-patrol about i forgot root's password |
| 20:07.34 | hell-patrol | oops! :) |
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| 20:07.37 | cydork | hehehe |
| 20:07.41 | cydork | :) |
| 20:07.41 | hell-patrol | 10x stew |
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| 20:07.53 | stew | hell-patrol: i'm only at aroung 9.5x |
| 20:07.59 | stew | give or take a little |
| 20:08.21 | hell-patrol | what is that? |
| 20:08.26 | stew | what is 10x? |
| 20:08.29 | hell-patrol | a |
| 20:08.33 | hell-patrol | Thank You |
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| 20:08.38 | stew | you're welcome |
| 20:08.53 | amphi | heh |
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| 20:14.57 | madclicker | sup |
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| 20:15.10 | madclicker | anyone using ktorrent? |
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| 20:17.58 | Guerin | !anyone use ktorrent? |
| 20:17.58 | dpkg | No, no one uses ktorrent, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:18.27 | karsten-ib | !anyone use Guerin |
| 20:18.27 | dpkg | No, no one uses Guerin, not even the people who use it. |
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| 20:18.58 | SoujaK | MOTD |
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| 20:20.21 | RandomTask | hello ... i have added a new file to /etc/init.d/dosomething.sh ... i added to /etc/rcN.d using update-rc.d dosomething.sh defaults ... when i boot my pc it seems my new script does not run ... i can't find anything in /var/logs with grep ... is there anything else i can look at? |
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| 20:21.36 | abrotman | RandomTask: ls -l /etc/init.d/dosomething.sh |
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| 20:22.41 | RandomTask | its there |
| 20:22.42 | RandomTask | :-) |
| 20:22.54 | abrotman | what are the perms |
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| 20:23.06 | abrotman | i didn't put the -l there to waste bandwidth :) |
| 20:23.16 | RandomTask | ohh ... -rwxr-xr-x |
| 20:23.34 | abrotman | just making sure |
| 20:23.41 | RandomTask | no worries |
| 20:23.48 | abrotman | RandomTask: what if you run it manually ? |
| 20:23.53 | RandomTask | works awesome |
| 20:24.08 | abrotman | RandomTask: and it does exist in rc#.d ? |
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| 20:24.55 | RandomTask | it exists in rc[1..5].d |
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| 20:25.24 | RandomTask | it seems not to have any output in dmseg either |
| 20:25.38 | RandomTask | on a normal boot what rcN.d runs? |
| 20:26.10 | RandomTask | i added with 'update-rc.d xxxx defaults' so i assume its added in righ places |
| 20:26.25 | abrotman | rc2.d |
| 20:26.29 | abrotman | and others |
| 20:26.34 | RandomTask | cool i will specifically look |
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| 20:26.55 | RandomTask | yes it is in rc2.d |
| 20:27.24 | SoujaK | RandomTask: is the script in /etc/rc#.d as "S##dosomething.sh"? |
| 20:27.27 | RandomTask | does it matter if i have S20xxx.sh and S20yyy.sh ... |
| 20:27.36 | RandomTask | yeah its there |
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| 20:27.47 | wols_ | RandomTask: no, doesn't matter |
| 20:27.47 | RandomTask | i have two numbered S20xxxxxx.sh though |
| 20:27.51 | RandomTask | ok |
| 20:28.25 | RandomTask | the first line of my start is a echo "blah blah" |
| 20:28.35 | RandomTask | i should see that in dmesg correct? |
| 20:29.32 | wols_ | no |
| 20:29.46 | wols_ | you would see it on screen |
| 20:29.53 | RandomTask | i see |
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| 20:30.10 | RandomTask | if i pipe to a file echo "hello" > /test.txt |
| 20:30.15 | RandomTask | will i see it then |
| 20:30.21 | RandomTask | i just wanna see if it runs |
| 20:30.33 | RandomTask | ? |
| 20:30.33 | wols_ | you will see it in that file then |
| 20:30.37 | RandomTask | cool |
| 20:30.39 | RandomTask | 1 sec |
| 20:30.50 | wols_ | your script has some effect no? can't you see if the effect is happening? |
| 20:30.54 | RandomTask | its a virtual machine |
| 20:31.00 | RandomTask | yeah |
| 20:31.06 | RandomTask | the script calls smbmount |
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| 20:31.39 | RandomTask | i.e. smbmount //192.168.1.50/MyShared /root/SM -o password=Junk |
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| 20:31.57 | RandomTask | i am just trying to mount a folder at boot |
| 20:32.08 | wols_ | you know that you can do this via fstab, right? |
| 20:32.10 | Guerin | RandomTask: you don't have to mount a folder |
| 20:32.29 | RandomTask | is it wrong to do where i am ? |
| 20:32.40 | RandomTask | my script does this |
| 20:32.52 | wols_ | depends. it's yet another place to look change, while fstab is the proper centralized place |
| 20:33.00 | RandomTask | ok |
| 20:33.14 | RandomTask | i will maybe assume smbmount doesn't work from here |
| 20:33.16 | Guerin | !folder |
| 20:33.16 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
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| 20:34.29 | Atri | hi all, I'm trying to get htaccess working on a server with debian installed, i added .htaccess and .htpasswd and it didnt sem to work, any pointers? |
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| 20:35.31 | SoujaK | Atri: what webserser? |
| 20:35.45 | SoujaK | *server |
| 20:35.56 | Atri | apache |
| 20:36.09 | Atri | or is that not what you meant |
| 20:36.15 | Atri | heh im a noob |
| 20:36.37 | SoujaK | i'm a noob with apache too |
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| 20:37.03 | SoujaK | search for docs about the ht module |
| 20:37.56 | Atri | will do thanks |
| 20:38.28 | RandomTask | anyhows thanks folks .. i will try fstab |
| 20:38.37 | stew | Atri: you need to "AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig" for the directory containing the .ht* |
| 20:38.39 | RandomTask | i will let you know if the folder mounts |
| 20:39.03 | Atri | stew: in which conf file |
| 20:39.21 | stew | Atri: apache's |
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| 20:39.38 | Atri | stew: so apache2.conf? |
| 20:40.01 | slackbr | Hi, i download the .isos, how i install debian from hd using the isos ?? |
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| 20:40.03 | stew | Atri: if you have a site-specific config file, it would be more apropriate in that file |
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| 20:40.41 | Atri | stew: I dont but might someday as I said I'm a noob |
| 20:40.43 | Atri | hehe |
| 20:40.53 | klork | hullo guys, mount command says unknown filesystem type 'hostfs', how do i get support for hostfs? |
| 20:41.05 | wols_ | Atri: 000-default would be a good place |
| 20:41.21 | stew | Atri: you do, you just don't know it, you should have something in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled or something similar |
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| 20:41.44 | wols_ | Atri: the place stew said, the filename I said |
| 20:41.50 | wols_ | klork: kernel recompile |
| 20:42.22 | Atri | ahhh ty guys i see that now :D |
| 20:42.56 | klork | wols_, hmm m using stock kernel, and wanna continue using it .... some way just to compile the required modules only and insert them here? |
| 20:43.27 | wols_ | klork: you could try. just get the headers and do it |
| 20:43.34 | PDani | how can i get the return value of a command that i started with paramiko's SSHClient.exec_command function? |
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| 20:43.55 | klork | wols_, oks, thanks |
| 20:46.07 | dig | wols_ :-) nice to see you |
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| 20:50.07 | Atri | wols_ and stew: thanks guys got it working :D |
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| 20:53.57 | DaS_CoAcH | does anyone of you know something about lazarus? |
| 20:54.51 | tuximus | What about laz? |
| 20:55.52 | DaS_CoAcH | _toast_, i don't know which packages to download....i've got this link: |
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| 20:56.00 | DaS_CoAcH | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339&package_id=204004&release_id=447674 |
| 20:56.11 | DaS_CoAcH | do i have to download every single package? |
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| 20:56.43 | _toast_ | This isn't indexed by apt-get? |
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| 20:57.44 | DaS_CoAcH | _toast_, no |
| 20:58.02 | _toast_ | DaS_CoAcH: It looks as though you just need the lazarus package unless you do not have FPC packasges |
| 20:58.05 | _toast_ | packages |
| 20:58.28 | DaS_CoAcH | does anyone of you wanna see my n00b-desktop? |
| 20:58.42 | _toast_ | If you don't have the free pascal compiler, then you'll probably need several of those packages |
| 20:58.49 | DaS_CoAcH | _toast_, and this is what i wanna know: which fpc packs do i have to download? |
| 21:00.17 | _toast_ | It's probably outlined in its documentation |
| 21:00.44 | _toast_ | Whichever library support modules that you need |
| 21:00.57 | _toast_ | If you need db support, gtk or gtk2, then pick those |
| 21:01.32 | DaS_CoAcH | _toast_, i'm sorry, but i dind't understand you^^ (i am german and worse at english^^) |
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| 21:02.13 | cydork | DaS_CoAcH, it's availavle in debian. why do want to download from sourceforge? |
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| 21:02.58 | stew | !+info lazarus |
| 21:03.00 | dpkg | Package 'lazarus' does not exist. |
| 21:03.22 | cydork | !info fp-compiler |
| 21:03.24 | dpkg | fp-compiler: (Free Pascal -- Compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.0.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1513 kB, Installed size: 3840 kB |
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| 21:03.57 | DaS_CoAcH | cydork, thx, i only looked up lazarus^^ |
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| 21:04.47 | cydork | DaS_CoAcH, i also didn't know about lazarus. but when i saw the fp-stuff. i knew that was in debian.. |
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| 21:05.59 | xenoborg | this site is for debian -> http://mrroot.homelinux.org/wordpress/ |
| 21:06.03 | _toast_ | Install the FPC packages with apt-get, proceed to manually downloading the lazarus package and installation |
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| 21:08.34 | Hoxzer | Araraggrrr |
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| 21:09.17 | cydork | DaS_CoAcH, and deb for lazaras is at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339 |
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| 21:12.52 | cydork | hmm lazarus is in experimetal |
| 21:13.18 | Deepa | cydork: lazarus? |
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| 21:13.40 | tremor | 7msg dpkg sunbird |
| 21:13.43 | cydork | Deepa, yes. why? |
| 21:13.49 | Deepa | actually what i meant o say was |
| 21:13.52 | Deepa | what is lazarus? |
| 21:14.39 | DaS_CoAcH | Deepa, you know delphi? |
| 21:14.41 | cydork | !info lazarus experimental |
| 21:14.43 | dpkg | lazarus: (Rapid Application Development (RAD) tool for Free Pascal), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.9.2-2 (experimental), Packaged size: 22609 kB, Installed size: 91092 kB |
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| 21:15.04 | DaS_CoAcH | Deepa, it's the opensource version of delphi, also for linux |
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| 21:23.58 | wobster | Hi everyone (again). I have a named bound the eth0 in a 192.168.1.0/24 network and I'd like to make it respond to requests from eth2 in a 192.168.1.0/24 network. I would not like to bind the named to that other device but rather direct the traffic. If that is an iptables issue (and i guess it is) what chains would I have to modify? Is forwarding involved here? |
| 21:24.24 | wobster | correcttion. eth1 is *.*.0.0/24 |
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| 21:26.00 | stew | wobster: there are 3 total interfaces or two? |
| 21:26.10 | wobster | stew, just 2. |
| 21:26.18 | stew | eth2 should have been eth1? |
| 21:26.30 | wobster | oh sorry. yes of course. |
| 21:26.34 | MustangMatt | If I removed resolvconf, what else would cause /etc/resolv.conf to magically be overwritten periodically? |
| 21:26.43 | wobster | MustangMatt, pppd for example |
| 21:26.56 | MustangMatt | wobser: not running, anything else? |
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| 21:27.19 | stew | wobster: sounds like you want to use DNAT in the PREROUTING chain in the nat table maybe |
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| 21:27.57 | choclat | hi |
| 21:28.07 | wobster | Hm. Means I have to read up on dnat. Alright, stew. Thanks for the pointer. |
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| 21:28.24 | choclat | how can i torify bitchx with this server ? |
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| 21:28.43 | stew | wobster: sometihng along the lines of: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 192.168.1.2 -p udp --dport 53 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.2:53 |
| 21:28.45 | gravity | God, that's like the question from hell |
| 21:29.03 | choclat | gravity ? |
| 21:29.05 | stew | choclat: ask #tor |
| 21:29.20 | wobster | stew, yes. that looks quite reasonable (despite the fact I don't know what the dnat does). |
| 21:29.28 | choclat | thanks stew |
| 21:29.30 | matteo_ | hello, i have a problem, i have compiled a new debian kernel without initrd and always seems working. But at the end of the kernel boot, after entering the runlevel i can't reach the login... but my machine isn't freeze because if i use Ctrl+Alt+Canc it enters the runlevel6 i think that i miss something in the kernel right? |
| 21:29.49 | veleno | hello everyone. when I start X through gdm, the scrolling wheel doesn't work (it works only in one way, and in the opposite direction). if i start X through command-line with startx, it works correctly. what the problem can be ? |
| 21:30.47 | stew | wobster: in english, its, "if you see a packet (-d)estined for this ip, on udp port 53, rewrite the packet with a new destination of 192.168.0.2:53 |
| 21:31.09 | wobster | stew, what an accident. that's probably right what I need. |
| 21:32.11 | stew | uhh, it's no accident |
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| 21:33.04 | pyxel | matteo_: no, kernel don't need initrd for boot, for tty check your /etc/initab |
| 21:33.13 | pyxel | initta |
| 21:33.15 | pyxel | b |
| 21:33.15 | pyxel | :) |
| 21:34.12 | matteo_ | pyxel: if i boot with the original debian kernel everything goes well |
| 21:34.39 | matteo_ | it's only with the kernel that i compiled that i have this kind of problem |
| 21:34.53 | matteo_ | so i don't think it could be the inittab .. |
| 21:35.02 | pyxel | matteo_: ah, possible that's something with your kernel config, maybe tty interface ? dunno :/ |
| 21:35.24 | pyxel | reconfigure it at new |
| 21:35.26 | matteo_ | is it a section in the kernel config about tty interface? |
| 21:35.39 | fas3r__ | i have a problem i don't find the config file for java.. because when i execute java script it don't look in the good folder for the libjavaplugin.oji.so .. :s |
| 21:36.00 | stew | fas3r__: how did you install java? |
| 21:36.07 | fas3r__ | via apt |
| 21:36.24 | fas3r__ | with apt |
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| 21:37.13 | stew | fas3r__: what browser are you using? |
| 21:37.15 | mcgreg | does anyone has an idea when there will be xorg7.1 available in unstable? |
| 21:37.23 | fas3r__ | firefox |
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| 21:37.28 | stew | fas3r__: does java show up in "about:plugins"? |
| 21:37.31 | fas3r__ | yes but it's not for firefox |
| 21:37.43 | stew | fas3r__: what is it for? |
| 21:37.45 | fas3r__ | it's for script for setup software ... |
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| 21:38.09 | fas3r__ | it's for pc anywhere |
| 21:38.13 | fas3r__ | but on linux |
| 21:38.17 | klonical | hello |
| 21:38.20 | choclat | hi |
| 21:38.23 | stew | fas3r__: if you are trying to run java independent of the browser, it should just be /usr/bin/java |
| 21:38.25 | fas3r__ | they are a setup for linux in java |
| 21:38.37 | choclat | klonical you know tor ? |
| 21:38.47 | stew | fas3r__: if you have more than one java installed, you can select which one /usr/bin/java points to with "update-alternatives --config java" |
| 21:39.14 | dotCOMmie | anyone extensively familiar in networking especially with wpa_supplicant |
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| 21:39.37 | fas3r__ | Stew |
| 21:39.39 | fas3r__ | thank |
| 21:39.48 | fas3r__ | it's my symbolic link |
| 21:39.50 | klonical | choclat: no, who is tor? |
| 21:40.03 | fas3r__ | it's is on a better folder ;) |
| 21:40.07 | fas3r__ | thank a lot |
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| 21:40.17 | choclat | klonical never mind then , its an ip changer |
| 21:40.22 | matteo_ | pyxel: where is the tty interface in the kernel config? |
| 21:40.39 | helo | anyone know why whenever a new window pops up in gnome, it immediately falls back behind all the other windows? |
| 21:40.44 | stercor | I'm './configure'ing wireshark. configure has problems with GTK+ and GLIB. When I apt-get install neither of these is found. Anyone? |
| 21:40.50 | choclat | klonical especially suitable for anonymous internetting |
| 21:41.16 | helo | colonical: nice nick... |
| 21:41.24 | choclat | klonical but it freaks some ppl out since it can also be used to spamm |
| 21:42.00 | cydork | stercor, which version of debian are you using? |
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| 21:42.38 | stercor | Latest? I did an apt-get upgrade |
| 21:42.52 | stercor | ...um update |
| 21:43.26 | dotCOMmie | There seems to be an ambiguity in the wpa_supplicant docs, in regards to action scripts. When one has auto set are the post-up/post-down scripts executed before or after wpa_supplicant connects? Also are they executed each time? |
| 21:43.27 | hawky | anyone have any idea how to fix my python issues, I haven't been able to do updates in quite a while http://pastebin.ca/175336 |
| 21:43.43 | stercor | After the update, wireshark can't find my ethernet card. |
| 21:44.02 | cydork | streuner, can you see it with ifconfig? |
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| 21:44.19 | choclat | helo maybe you have the window act(move to front) on mousemove |
| 21:44.27 | stercor | Yes, and it pings other hosts on the LAN |
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| 21:45.07 | streuner | cydork: heh? |
| 21:45.27 | streuner | oh, wrong nick-completition |
| 21:45.47 | stercor | Is Debian LSB-conformant? |
| 21:45.56 | dementt | Damn what was the command inDeb to change the ownerschips for groups and ppl? |
| 21:46.03 | stercor | Perhaps it's in a different place. |
| 21:46.04 | dementt | ch-something? Not chmod |
| 21:46.11 | choclat | chown |
| 21:46.14 | dementt | thanks mate |
| 21:46.15 | wols_ | hawky: reinstall your python. time is a default package, part of the standard lib |
| 21:46.42 | cydork | streuner, xchat gone wilde :P |
| 21:46.52 | cydork | s/wilde/wild/ |
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| 21:47.43 | cydork | stercor, are you using sid? |
| 21:48.07 | cydork | stercor, what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
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| 21:48.28 | MtJB | is any firewall installed by default with debian etch? |
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| 21:48.51 | Drizzt321 | I have a ps/2 to usb adapter and I am trying to find drivers that will work with it. Anyone know which ones? I've tried all the obivous usb and input ones that I can see. |
| 21:49.19 | wols_ | MtJB: no |
| 21:49.29 | MtJB | thanks, wols_ |
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| 21:49.45 | wols_ | linux doesn't need them by default |
| 21:50.25 | is_null | hello everybody, as root, /sbin/reboot is not a found command, neither are : /sbin/init, /sbin/halt, /sbin/shutdown ... any idea please ? i am running etch base linux26, i want to reboot on the fresh kernel that is just finished compiling .... |
| 21:50.51 | MtJB | wols_ i am testing with metasploit against an xp box, and the target box never connects to httpd on 8080, i thought maybe it was blocked |
| 21:52.22 | cydork | is_null, echo $PATH |
| 21:52.30 | stercor | cydork: testing/unstable |
| 21:52.47 | stercor | cydork: what's sid? |
| 21:52.53 | is_null | cydork, /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin |
| 21:53.17 | stew | is_null: do you have the sysvinit package installed? |
| 21:53.56 | cydork | !tell stercor about sid |
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| 21:54.38 | is_null | stew, i hadn't, once again, thank you for your kind support :) |
| 21:54.55 | stew | is_null: i'm wondering how you ended up wihout that package? |
| 21:55.08 | stercor | cydork: no man page for sid... |
| 21:55.21 | slackbr | Hi, i download the .isos, how i install debian from hd using the isos ?? |
| 21:55.22 | stew | is_null: did you try to switch to file-rc or something? |
| 21:55.30 | cydork | stercor, check what dpkg just messaged you. |
| 21:55.35 | stew | slackbr: /msg dpkg ig |
| 21:56.00 | is_null | stew, the cd i use was scratched, maybe i should re-install all base packages |
| 21:56.04 | cydork | is_null, how come you dont have sysvinit?? :O |
| 21:56.28 | slackbr | stercor, tks i will read |
| 21:56.58 | stercor | cydork: Looks like I've some backpedalling to do. |
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| 21:57.26 | cydork | stercor, check bts too |
| 21:57.32 | cydork | !tell stercor about bts |
| 21:57.47 | stew | is_null: that wouldn't explain you not having sysvinit |
| 21:58.30 | is_null | what other packages should i apt-get install please ? is there a list of the base packages somewhere please ? |
| 21:59.26 | cydork | stew, how can his system run without init? |
| 21:59.44 | wols_ | cydork: magic. pure magic with fairy dust |
| 21:59.44 | stercor | cydork: I had no idea that I'd get into testing/unstable with the update (if that's what did it). |
| 21:59.49 | stew | cydork: if he tried to switch to file-rc which replaces sysvinit |
| 21:59.52 | helo | anyone know how to disable the lame gnome-specific screensaver stuff, so that only xscreensaver is used? |
| 22:00.00 | cydork | wols_, hehe |
| 22:00.03 | lws | file-rc? |
| 22:00.06 | TARZEAU | !qotd0 |
| 22:00.07 | dpkg | <kingk> Its pretty easy to install Flash, you just dl, unpack, and run the installer. But it doesn't work for me <takatumi> kingk: and yet you say it's easy. |
| 22:00.24 | wols_ | stercor: if you were pinning "-t unstable", it's very easy |
| 22:00.27 | stew | !file-rc |
| 22:00.27 | dpkg | somebody said file-rc was an alternative startup mechanism for Debian which uses a single configuration file instead of a mess of symlinks. Very cool; check it out: apt-get install file-rc. |
| 22:00.27 | TARZEAU | !seen takatumi |
| 22:00.28 | dpkg | takatumi <i=nach@unaffiliated/takatumi> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 56d 10h 7m 19s ago, saying: 'imme-emosol: /msg dpkg why debian'. |
| 22:00.28 | is_null | stew, i did not try to switch anything |
| 22:00.46 | streuner | TARZEAU: hm |
| 22:00.47 | helo | oh... dpkg -r gnome-screensaver |
| 22:00.47 | helo | nm |
| 22:00.52 | stew | TARZEAU: he goes by vin now |
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| 22:01.05 | TARZEAU | stew: have you ever dropped root rights in C code? |
| 22:01.08 | cydork | stew, oh ok .. |
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| 22:01.30 | stew | TARZEAU: nope |
| 22:01.34 | Matt__ | could somebody help me share a couple of folders on a windows network with sid... i know to use samba but im confused |
| 22:01.39 | TARZEAU | stew: wee i meant streuner |
| 22:01.39 | is_null | ah, i did exeprience an issue when i had to remove e2fsprogs to apt xorg, then i did re-install it ... |
| 22:01.59 | stew | is_null: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
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| 22:02.24 | hawky | wol_: I tried to reinstall python it won't let me, it says I have reinstall to uninstall and if I try to remove it it says it can't because of dependecies |
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| 22:02.33 | stew | is_null: if you removed e2fsprogs, it would have removed sysvinit |
| 22:02.46 | hawky | uninstall to reinstall rather |
| 22:03.27 | is_null | stew, ok i understand, this is because i used an old sarge ? |
| 22:03.56 | stew | is_null: this is becuase you were trying to update from somehting that was older than stable to tetsting, skipping stable, and skipping releases isn't supported |
| 22:04.16 | keith80403 | Running Sarge - Are there log files that record what was downloaded/installed when I ran "sudo aptitude install kmldonkey" a few minutes ago, other than in the terminal window? |
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| 22:04.45 | stew | hawky: what does "apt-cache policy python" say for Installed: ? |
| 22:05.38 | stew | keith80403: /var/log/aptitude |
| 22:05.58 | hawky | installed 2.3.5-11, candidate 2.4.3-11, |
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| 22:06.46 | keith80403 | stew, Thank you. |
| 22:06.47 | stew | hmm i thought python-central depended on 2.4, i guess not |
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| 22:07.08 | stew | hawky: what does "readlink -f $(which python)" return? |
| 22:08.06 | hawky | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.45 | hawky | I am telling it got all screwed up, I must have updated when unstable was really unstable |
| 22:09.41 | stew | hawky: have you tried "aptitude reinstall python-tk"? |
| 22:09.51 | hawky | can't install aptitude :( |
| 22:10.15 | stew | hawky: "apt-get install --reinstall python-tk" then |
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| 22:11.12 | hawky | that screams about unmet dependecies and seys to run apt-get -f install |
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| 22:12.38 | stew | hawky: can you give the output of "apt-get -f install" ? |
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| 22:13.25 | hjubal | bye |
| 22:14.04 | hawky | http://pastebin.ca/175564 |
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| 22:15.34 | stew | hawky: did you let it continue? |
| 22:15.50 | hawky | not yet, I was waiting to see what you were going to say |
| 22:15.55 | hawky | I have before |
| 22:16.01 | hawky | and it just blows up the same |
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| 22:17.08 | stew | well if you cant get python-tk fixed that way, you are going to have to force python-tk off the system and reinstall it, which is going to require you doing something like adding "exit 0" to the top of the prerm and/or postrm scripts |
| 22:17.20 | Presently42 | Hello. I'm getting an acpi warning in /proc/kmsg. |
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| 22:18.06 | lws | Presently42: kewl! |
| 22:18.17 | Presently42 | Aha! |
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| 22:18.33 | hawky | stew: I am open to anything, I have waited for it to fix itself long enoguh |
| 22:18.51 | Presently42 | lws: Here you go. ;) http://pastebin.ca/175569 |
| 22:18.55 | hawky | I just need some guidence, I ma not too familiar with how it all owtrks |
| 22:18.58 | hawky | works |
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| 22:22.06 | Presently42 | Any ideas? |
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| 22:23.11 | stew | hawky: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-tk.postrm and .prerm, make the second line of each file "exit 0" so that the scripts will silently do nothing., then apt-get remove python-tk |
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| 22:24.27 | hawky | what if those files don't exist? should I just create them? |
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| 22:25.05 | Xorm | d'oh |
| 22:25.16 | hawky | have .prerm but not a postrm |
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| 22:25.21 | Xorm | What's the best way to have an executable run on startup? |
| 22:25.28 | Xorm | I tried sticking a script in /etc/init.d |
| 22:25.37 | Xorm | but it isn't working apparently. |
| 22:25.54 | dondelelcaro | Xorm: depends; what are you running? do you want it to run as your user? |
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| 22:26.12 | Xorm | No user in particular |
| 22:26.16 | Xorm | It's the noip2 updater. |
| 22:26.21 | dondelelcaro | !tell Xorm -about runlevels |
| 22:26.29 | Presently42 | Perhaps this is the wrong forum? Is there an acpi channel? This particular message seems to be the one that comes just before my lappy overheats and dies. |
| 22:26.31 | wols_ | Xorm: man update-rc.d |
| 22:26.36 | Xorm | ah |
| 22:26.40 | Xorm | thanks. |
| 22:26.48 | dondelelcaro | Xorm: you want that to run as an up rule in /etc/network/interfaces; or better, as a hook in your dhcp client. |
| 22:27.11 | dondelelcaro | (assuming it's running on the external interface) |
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| 22:27.24 | Xorm | Yeah |
| 22:27.30 | wols_ | or /etc/ppp/ip-up.d if you use pppd |
| 22:27.33 | Xorm | PPPoE |
| 22:27.44 | wols_ | then /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ |
| 22:27.52 | Xorm | ok. |
| 22:28.09 | dondelelcaro | yeah, I hate ppp, so I tend to forget that any parts of it actually exist |
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| 22:28.47 | Xorm | So, I put the script in there? |
| 22:28.58 | hawky | Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. |
| 22:28.59 | pickcoder | Presently42: what kernel are you running? |
| 22:29.01 | Xorm | I have a script because I specify a config file for noip2. |
| 22:30.33 | Kalmm_ | on an reiserfs partition , I erase with rm some important files , is it anyway to recover them? |
| 22:30.40 | Matt__ | under alsamixer, what does the pcm control do, cause i noticed it raises the volume along with master |
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| 22:32.50 | stew | !pcm |
| 22:32.50 | dpkg | pcm is probably Pulse Code Modulation, an encoding that represts intensity for several samples. In the case of audio, each sample is how far the speaker should go out or in to produce sound. two channels at 44100 samples per second each, or 44100 hertz is CD quality |
| 22:33.03 | stew | Matt__: pcm is basically "digital audio" |
| 22:33.22 | Presently42 | pickcoder: 2.6.17-2-686. |
| 22:33.34 | Presently42 | Sorry for the delay: My telephone did an odd thing. It rang. |
| 22:33.39 | stew | Matt__: when you play an mp3, for instance, it is converted to pcm, then passed directly to your dsp which converts it to audio |
| 22:33.52 | Matt__ | ahh, that makes sense |
| 22:34.03 | Matt__ | when i raised it up all the way, the sound got a tad fuzzy |
| 22:35.02 | stew | you mean it got a bit over-modulated :) |
| 22:35.17 | Presently42 | Using debian sid. |
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| 22:35.28 | hawky | stew: how bad would it be to try and manually take it python-tk so it doesn't know it is installed, then try and reinstall it? do you think that might work? |
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| 22:36.21 | pickcoder | Presently42: that looks like an issue with either the DSDT or the display module you're using |
| 22:37.00 | tziku` | how can i clear ram memory ? i have 2Gb of ram and only system is up for about 30 days...and i have 200mb of free ram |
| 22:37.20 | Xorm | memory leak! |
| 22:37.26 | Xorm | run top |
| 22:37.31 | Xorm | see what's using the memory. |
| 22:38.19 | stew | hawky: oh, sorry i missed your responses before. of postrm doesn't exist, don't create it. add exit 0 to prerm, then try apt-get install --reinstall python-tk |
| 22:38.26 | stew | hawky: or try apt-get -f install |
| 22:38.52 | tziku` | Xorm all are wirk 0.0% at memory |
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| 22:39.01 | jade | which util do i use to burn an iso to cd? |
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| 22:39.16 | Presently42 | pickcoder: Right. How can I refine my problem so that one can be sure that the DSDT is indeed the problem? |
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| 22:39.43 | Presently42 | I'm no acpi expert by a long shot. |
| 22:39.47 | hawky | I think I got it |
| 22:40.01 | hawky | dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq python-tk |
| 22:40.03 | hawky | removed it |
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| 22:40.12 | hawky | oops :P |
| 22:40.32 | pickcoder | Presently42: actually, that may not be a video module issue. It looks more like a suspend function. Is that a laptop? |
| 22:40.32 | derjohn | does anyone know about a problem with etch and e1000 driver? the eth interfaces are called eth0_temp or eth0_temp_temp . It might be related to udev, but I cannot find much in google about that. Am i alone on the planet? |
| 22:40.51 | Presently42 | pickcoder: It certainly is. |
| 22:40.57 | Presently42 | A toshiba a70. |
| 22:41.09 | pickcoder | Presently42: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-acpi/2005-June/001612.html |
| 22:41.38 | pickcoder | a better option would be to disable ACPI in CMOS |
| 22:41.43 | pickcoder | since that's BSD |
| 22:41.44 | pickcoder | :P |
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| 22:42.30 | Presently42 | pickcoder: My CMOS has no option for ACPI. |
| 22:42.30 | pickcoder | Presently42: Ubuntu is a _little_ closer to home: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-168913.html |
| 22:42.37 | pickcoder | gah |
| 22:42.42 | pickcoder | power management? |
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| 22:42.43 | tziku` | Xorm where should i look in top ? PID USER PR NI RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ VIRT COMMAND |
| 22:42.50 | tziku` | res ? |
| 22:42.53 | tziku` | or mem |
| 22:43.10 | beered | Is there a way to view dnsmasq cache? |
| 22:43.10 | wols_ | dr0ne: it is udev |
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| 22:43.36 | wols_ | derjohn: http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/2006/05/msg00000.html |
| 22:43.51 | Presently42 | pickcoder: In what sense? If you ask if I have a power management option in the CMOS, then no, I haven't. I have nearly nothing in the CMOS. |
| 22:44.00 | bahamat | mysqld is segfaulting at startup when it tries to finalize a transaction, is there any way to skip or rollback that transaction? |
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| 22:45.24 | pickcoder | Presently42: well then I guess you can try setting pci=noapci in your boot option |
| 22:45.27 | Presently42 | pickcoder: The only screensaver I use is when the computer is locked (I use KDE). It wan't locked when the message arrived, so I don't think that that last site's contents are pertinent. |
| 22:45.47 | pickcoder | Presently42: ok |
| 22:46.06 | pickcoder | pci=noacpi |
| 22:46.27 | Presently42 | pickcoder: Ay. But: 1: Some one once advised me to try acpi=force (or some such thing). 2: Won't that mean I can no longer have the functionality of ACPI? |
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| 22:46.56 | Presently42 | Such as notification of battery status, power off button, ac power et cetera. |
| 22:47.16 | klork | hullo guys, trying to install xen on sid am getting a error on starting the guest.. http://pastebin.ca/175582 |
| 22:47.36 | hawky | wohooo! apt-get -f install is working now :) |
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| 22:48.01 | pickcoder | Presently42: that forces ACPI to be enabled, even if the kernel doesn't detect it's present |
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| 22:48.19 | derjohn | wols_, thx! (Hope the prolem is fixed soon: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=udev ) |
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| 22:48.28 | pickcoder | Presently42: I think I've heard of ACPI issues with the A70 before |
| 22:48.37 | hawky | stew I love you! |
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| 22:48.51 | Presently42 | pickcoder: pci=noacpi gives acpi? That's really funny! :0) |
| 22:48.59 | pickcoder | Presently42: no acpi=force does |
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| 22:49.08 | Presently42 | pickcoder: Very possibly from me! ;) |
| 22:49.16 | Presently42 | Ah. |
| 22:49.35 | Presently42 | So you recommend that I turn off acpi. |
| 22:50.01 | Presently42 | pickcoder: Could this have soem thing to do with my chronic over-heating problem? |
| 22:50.06 | pickcoder | Presently42: you may have to try a combination of things |
| 22:50.27 | pickcoder | Presently42: more than likely |
| 22:51.18 | Presently42 | pickcoder: Fair enough. I'll give the pci=noacpi a shot, see what hapens and report back. |
| 22:51.31 | caneca | How I start the X? |
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| 22:51.42 | pickcoder | Presently42: options to try (single or mix-match) nolapi, pci=noacpi, pci=norouteirq, acpi=off |
| 22:51.50 | pickcoder | nolapic |
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| 22:52.44 | Presently42 | pickcoder: How, though, will I know if success is reached? |
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| 22:53.27 | pickcoder | Presently42: is your cooling fan turning on when you boot? |
| 22:53.38 | Presently42 | pickcoder: Yup/ |
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| 22:54.17 | pickcoder | Presently42: is the machine freezing completely? |
| 22:56.02 | Presently42 | pickcoder: What happens is this. I get that acpi message. Then, CPU0 (and 1, as this is smp): Temperature is over threshhold. Running in modulated clock mode. With that, the computer starts to act really slowly and becomes unresponsive. Then, it just turns off, with no other warning. Or, it bypasses the acting slowly and just turns right off. |
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| 22:58.38 | Blissex | Presently42: and what part of "Temperature is over threshhold. Running in modulated clock mode." is not clear? |
| 22:58.48 | stoned | lol |
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| 22:58.57 | Presently42 | Blissex: None what so ever. |
| 22:58.58 | LinuxSever | hi all |
| 22:58.59 | thingfish | hey stoned |
| 22:59.01 | stoned | man, that was so funny, I had to come home and laugh at it |
| 22:59.09 | stoned | lol |
| 22:59.14 | stoned | just got home thinger man |
| 22:59.20 | thingfish | cool |
| 22:59.22 | stoned | whats up with you, ever since this job started I havn't seen you much |
| 22:59.34 | thingfish | me too, working all the time |
| 22:59.38 | Presently42 | I was sondering about the acpi part. The temeprature bit I can do nothing about. |
| 22:59.38 | stoned | yup |
| 22:59.42 | stoned | thingfish, same place? |
| 22:59.46 | Blissex | Presently42: so the problem is that your CPUs overheat, the system slows down their clock, and eventually shuts them down. Solution: kee them cooler. |
| 22:59.47 | thingfish | yep |
| 22:59.51 | stoned | hows that going? |
| 23:00.05 | thingfish | stoned: meh |
| 23:00.07 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:00.08 | amphi | Presently42: what processor? |
| 23:00.09 | stoned | while /me packs a bowl |
| 23:00.12 | stoned | hehe, I love my work dude |
| 23:00.12 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:00.14 | stoned | my manager loves me |
| 23:00.15 | thingfish | cool! |
| 23:00.19 | Presently42 | Blissex: If only I could! There is an over-heating problem with Toshibas. |
| 23:00.22 | thingfish | that's always great |
| 23:00.24 | stoned | and this amazingly hot girl at work wants me |
| 23:00.36 | Presently42 | amphi: Intel P4 mobile 3.06GHz. Smp. |
| 23:00.36 | stoned | its pretty obvious when she asks you to go to lunch with her |
| 23:00.39 | thingfish | well you can't beat that kind of environment, it sounds |
| 23:00.48 | stoned | and then talks about hows shes breaking up with her bf and moving into an apt |
| 23:00.51 | amphi | Presently42: oh, p4 |
| 23:00.55 | thingfish | yeah |
| 23:01.02 | stoned | I can only conclude, she wants the stoner dick |
| 23:01.03 | stoned | ahem* |
| 23:01.08 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:01.11 | Blissex | Presently42: then just run the CPUs permanently underclocked with the 'powerasave' 'cpufreq' governor. |
| 23:01.24 | stoned | toshibas suck |
| 23:01.27 | stoned | personal exp. |
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| 23:01.44 | Blissex | stoned: perhaps she is fascinated instead by your witty conversation :-) |
| 23:01.47 | azeem | stoned: wow, you tested all models they built? |
| 23:01.48 | Presently42 | Blissex: But this will affect performance, yes? |
| 23:01.51 | LinuxSever | mmm, I use Ubuntu packages depod for debian ? |
| 23:01.57 | azeem | depod? |
| 23:02.00 | stoned | azeem, sarcasm is useless |
| 23:02.01 | Blissex | Presently42: it is either performance or the laptop catching fire. |
| 23:02.08 | Presently42 | stoned: I agree! Tobisha is the computer equivalent of stale mashed-potatoes. |
| 23:02.17 | pickcoder | stoned: yeah, but it makes conversations interesting |
| 23:02.19 | stoned | azeem, as a customer, and user, you only need one bad experience |
| 23:02.27 | stoned | azeem, consider a resturant analogy |
| 23:02.34 | stoned | great service, mediocre food, you'll go back |
| 23:02.39 | knix | yea, it really doesn't have anything to do with the systems themselves |
| 23:02.43 | stoned | shitty service, great food, no way I'm going back to eat |
| 23:02.45 | stoned | see what I'm saying |
| 23:02.47 | knix | almost all manufacturers have the same crap inside |
| 23:02.49 | LinuxSever | depot |
| 23:02.50 | amphi | Presently42: for pentium m there's a patch that lets you 'undervolt' the cpu, which lowers the temp a lot here (from over 70C under load to ~50C (as reported by acpi -t), dunno if there's something similar for mobile p4 |
| 23:02.51 | azeem | right, so you had a bad experience at one McDonald's restaurant once... |
| 23:02.56 | Presently42 | Blissex: Haha! I'm kinda hoping that is does die. Then I can complain bitterly to the bastards and have them fix my blasted double-meaning) lappy. |
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| 23:03.10 | stoned | azeem, exactly |
| 23:03.28 | Presently42 | amphi: Hmm. A: Where is said patch? B: Any performance cost? |
| 23:03.33 | knix | You go to McDonald's you know what kind of food they have, you're not going to go in to another one expecting a steak |
| 23:03.35 | Blissex | amphi: most CPUs don't need a patch, just use 'cpufreq'. |
| 23:03.56 | amphi | Blissex: cpufreq won't let you change the voltage for each freq |
| 23:03.57 | LinuxSever | hehe, super size me dude. |
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| 23:04.13 | stoned | pickcoder, let me rephrase, sarcasm is wasted on me, I don't pay mind to it |
| 23:04.28 | amphi | Presently42: there are a couple linked from a page on thinkwiki.org, but they are for pentium m |
| 23:04.37 | stoned | but yeah, I still have the broken piece of crap toshiba notebook :( |
| 23:04.38 | Blissex | amphi: it will do it automatically... |
| 23:04.41 | Presently42 | O, and amphi, acpi -t gives No support for device type: thermal. |
| 23:04.56 | stoned | I have a dell inspiron notebook, 3 years old, still running great |
| 23:04.59 | amphi | Blissex: AFAIK, cpufreq just changes the freq |
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| 23:05.35 | hawky | McDonalds in different countries do have different foods, they do have the basics mostly, but I doubt you will have them serve beef in india ;) |
| 23:05.45 | Blissex | amphi: no. My Athlon 64@2000MHz runs at 1.5v but at 1.2v at 1000MHz |
| 23:05.58 | jnc | presense of beer is a noticable difference in regional mcdonalds' establishments |
| 23:06.00 | pickcoder | I have a Compaq LTE5400 that still runs. I'm still trying to find a battery for it that's less than $300. <G> |
| 23:06.07 | stoned | lol |
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| 23:06.21 | amphi | Presently42: no performance loss; you have to test how low you can go with the voltage at each freq before errors start occurring; I used mprime in its handy 'torture mode' |
| 23:06.28 | Gokee2_laptop | After doing a apt-get dist-upgrade my nvidia driver failed. Not only in the new kernel but the old one as well. Any ideas why? I looked through http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html and I can`t install nvidia-glx because it wants xserver-common which uses xfree86 instead of xorg. Also ndiswrapper does not work in the new kernel I guess I will need |
| 23:06.28 | Gokee2_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.30 | pickcoder | Pentium 90... mmm.. speed demon there |
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| 23:06.50 | synic | what user does rsyncd use to read directories? |
| 23:06.51 | amphi | Blissex: right; but the patch gives you a sysfs interface to change the voltage at each frequency |
| 23:07.01 | Blissex | amphi: if all 'cpufreq' did was to lower the freq, there would be little gain. power saving depends on lowering the voltage. |
| 23:07.05 | kingsley | Is there a standard way to examine a box and ascertain which variant of linux is installed? |
| 23:07.29 | Blissex | amphi: but lowering the voltage without lowering the frequency is dangerous... |
| 23:07.33 | Blissex | kingsley: no. |
| 23:07.42 | Gokee2_laptop | kingsley, boot it up and run uname? |
| 23:07.49 | amphi | Blissex: yes, thus the brutal testing at each freq with mprime |
| 23:07.53 | stoned | uname gives kernel |
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| 23:08.16 | stoned | it should say what it is when you boot - get to login peomp5t |
| 23:08.19 | stoned | prompt |
| 23:08.23 | kingsley | Gokee2_laptop: I don't think uname will work... |
| 23:08.28 | amphi | Blissex: I reduced from 1340 to 1052 mv @ 1.6GHz, for example |
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| 23:09.00 | hawky | you can make a sscript that checks standard places for many distros |
| 23:09.07 | amphi | Blissex: it seems how low you can go varies with the individual cpu |
| 23:09.08 | hawky | I have seen one before |
| 23:09.17 | MatBoy | Finally I have a mastervolume that works :D |
| 23:09.22 | stoned | its how do you say |
| 23:09.22 | Blissex | amphi: ahhhh the testing at least. but it is still dangerous. And yes depends on the CPU. |
| 23:09.25 | stoned | fire in the hole? |
| 23:09.34 | stoned | Fire in the bowl |
| 23:10.04 | amphi | Blissex: I've seen no problems so far; povray has run happily for days at a time |
| 23:10.05 | Presently42 | amphi: Perhaps, then, I won't do that just yet. It still works. I just have to keep it cool. |
| 23:10.09 | kreg_work | can vesa framebuffers in linux do any widescreen modes? |
| 23:10.15 | kingsley | stoned: I see that a virtual terminal reveals that I'm using debian. I wonder what would happen with Red Hat, Ubuntu, Gentoo, etc... |
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| 23:10.30 | stoned | they should say |
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| 23:10.42 | Blissex | kreg_work: depends. |
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| 23:10.48 | stoned | usually welcome message when you get to login screen, like redhat v. X.X or something |
| 23:10.50 | amphi | Blissex: when I lowered the voltage too much at a given freq, and ran mprime, the failure was speedy and dramatic ;) |
| 23:11.00 | Gokee2_laptop | kingsley, hmm I guess it only gives you the kernel... have to poke around and see if you see anything |
| 23:11.00 | jade | i have sata hdd, seems debian netinst cd does not have those drivers ... any ideas where to get it? |
| 23:11.27 | kreg_work | Blissex, ok, i have just plain old consoles no X server. and a widescreen monitor. can i use widescreen resolution? |
| 23:11.32 | kreg_work | triggered from grub? |
| 23:11.38 | pickcoder | jade: are you using a built-in SATA controller? |
| 23:11.39 | hawky | kingsley: I think it gets what is in /etc/issue or /etc/issue.net |
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| 23:12.10 | kingsley | hawky: Thank you. |
| 23:12.27 | Blissex | kreg_work: depends on the card and whether the VESA modes include those resolutions or whether you can redefine the VESA modes. With some cards yes, some not. |
| 23:12.44 | Blissex | kreg_work: also look howevet at something called SVGATextMode. |
| 23:13.07 | jade | pickcoder, checking . |
| 23:13.29 | jade | s/b ata_piix i believe |
| 23:13.48 | pickcoder | which chipset |
| 23:15.24 | pickcoder | jade: or which PC brand/model or mainboard brand/model |
| 23:15.39 | jade | pickcoder, it didn't load ata_piix |
| 23:16.07 | pickcoder | jade: then it's not ata_piix |
| 23:16.32 | Xorm | What's an AMD K7? |
| 23:16.40 | Xorm | Athlon type series? |
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| 23:17.27 | Xorm | ah |
| 23:17.30 | Xorm | googled it. |
| 23:18.21 | pickcoder | jade: what brand/model is the PC - or if you built it which brand/model mainboard |
| 23:18.31 | Matt__ | could somebody help me share files with a ms workgroup? i know i need to use samba but i really have no idea how. i read a couple of things but im still pretty confused |
| 23:19.02 | amphi | Matt__: the 'using samba' book is online at openbooks.oreilly.com FWIW |
| 23:19.19 | Matt__ | k thanks |
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| 23:20.13 | jade | compaq |
| 23:20.18 | jade | sr1900nx |
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| 23:24.41 | jade | the debian netinst, i didnt see the ata_piix.o file |
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| 23:25.11 | pickcoder | jade: that board has the ATI Exress200 chipset on it |
| 23:25.17 | pickcoder | express even |
| 23:26.15 | jade | meaning? |
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| 23:28.11 | LinuxHelp | How do I check my current HorizSync and VertRefresh values? I don't mean the ones in xorg.conf, I mean the ones in (I assume) /proc? |
| 23:28.43 | LinuxHelp | for a 2.6.17 kernel that is |
| 23:29.04 | zinx | uhm |
| 23:29.10 | zinx | there aren't any in /proc |
| 23:29.31 | raf256 | how to grab & save screenshot of X in cmd line |
| 23:29.33 | zinx | if you mean what the framebuffer console's set to, try fbset |
| 23:29.49 | pickcoder | jade: which release are you trying to install? |
| 23:30.04 | hawky | xvidtune will tell you, if you have that installed |
| 23:30.31 | LinuxHelp | zinx, I'm looking specifically for the ones for my current X11 session |
| 23:30.48 | zinx | LinuxHelp: uhm, then you're looking for the ones in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or xorg.conf |
| 23:30.50 | eegore|deb | shingouz: you in? |
| 23:30.58 | hawky | LinuxHelp: xvidtune will tell you, if you have that installed |
| 23:31.08 | zinx | xvidtune will tell you what modeline it chose |
| 23:31.23 | zinx | it won't tell you what the ranges X is trying to stay in are |
| 23:32.50 | hawky | I was thinking he was looking for the ones in use, and I think i choose next and previous, it will switch through them as long as they are vaild |
| 23:33.05 | pickcoder | jade: try the sata_sil module |
| 23:33.15 | jade | pickcoder, thanks |
| 23:34.13 | MatBoy | Cya all later ! |
| 23:34.44 | jade | pickcoder, naw, no luck there, think i may need ata_piix |
| 23:34.56 | LinuxHelp | (--) SAVAGE(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024) (**) SAVAGE(0): *Default mode "1024x768": 65.0 MHz, 48.4 kHz, 60.0 Hz So far I know that vertical is 60Hz, but what about the 48.4 and 65? |
| 23:35.12 | LinuxHelp | surely theres just vertical and horizontal |
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| 23:35.46 | amarelinho | hi guys |
| 23:35.57 | pickcoder | jade: which release are you installing? |
| 23:36.19 | hawky | there is also refresh |
| 23:36.21 | kingsley | amarelinho: Hi. |
| 23:37.02 | jelly-ho | LinuxHelp: the 48.4 kHz value is HorizSync. |
| 23:37.12 | jade | pickcoder, debian-31r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:37.19 | LinuxHelp | hawky, oh, er, :) well then I thought my refresh = vertical... okay then my refresh is 60Hz, the 48.4hz is horizontal, and the other is vertical |
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| 23:38.08 | pickcoder | jade: I really dunno if Sarge's installer is gonna recognize an X200 SATA controller. |
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| 23:38.40 | LinuxHelp | So I was just thinking that hard coding those vertical and horizontal values into the xorg.conf would be better than having it set to a range e.g. 30-60 |
| 23:38.56 | pickcoder | jade: if "modprobe sata_sil" in the installer console doesn't work then you may be outta luck. Is this a server? |
| 23:39.08 | jade | yeah |
| 23:39.27 | jade | we were using it for a server machine/ |
| 23:39.59 | jade | where did you find the info on the MOBO? |
| 23:40.04 | pickcoder | jade: compaq.com |
| 23:40.19 | LinuxHelp | compaq + server = ouch |
| 23:40.24 | MatBoy | !hug MatBoy |
| 23:40.37 | MatBoy | ah, I like that before going to sleep :) |
| 23:41.10 | LinuxHelp | my sdram is cooking |
| 23:41.10 | jelly-ho | LinuxHelp: why would you want to hardcode the values? |
| 23:41.10 | jade | i looked there, but didnt see the MOBO specs |
| 23:41.10 | pickcoder | jade: download the netinstall for Etch and see if it recognizes the controller |
| 23:41.17 | MatBoy | LinuxHelp, put an egg on it :) |
| 23:41.59 | LinuxHelp | jelly-ho, caus it just seems "right", that and my X goes weird on startup for a few seconds, I assume while its finding the correct mode |
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| 23:42.32 | pickcoder | jade: http://tinyurl.com/rm9tw |
| 23:42.55 | LinuxHelp | MatBoy, okay its not that hot .. yet, but in about 30 mins maybe |
| 23:43.02 | pickcoder | who the heck is Altair anyway. |
| 23:43.10 | pickcoder | too many mainboard manufacturers these days |
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| 23:43.21 | pickcoder | oh |
| 23:43.22 | LinuxHelp | My cpu is cold, my hd is cold, my gfx is cold, and then theres my ram |
| 23:43.23 | jelly-ho | LinuxHelp: that's probably a quirk in the driver. |
| 23:43.24 | pickcoder | it's Asus |
| 23:43.34 | MatBoy | LinuxHelp, ah... I also can't hold the cooler of my 6600LE GPU :) |
| 23:43.43 | jade | pickcoder, OK g |
| 23:43.51 | wols_ | !tell jade about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 23:43.52 | jade | thanks |
| 23:44.16 | kjdis | I need a sysinfo type tool, like lspci, to identify a CompactFlash card manufacturer. One of the disk tools perhaps? |
| 23:44.25 | LinuxHelp | ok thx jellyboy |
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| 23:45.07 | MatBoy | kjdis, check /var/log/dmesg |
| 23:45.17 | kjdis | I did |
| 23:45.21 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 23:45.28 | kjdis | just generic USB plug-in info |
| 23:45.28 | MatBoy | kjdis, do it again :P |
| 23:45.47 | MatBoy | kjdis, why do you need the manuafacurer ? |
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| 23:46.16 | MatBoy | Gaim sucks |
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| 23:46.34 | ttick | can someone recommend a good replacement for xv? |
| 23:46.35 | kjdis | It's a long story |
| 23:46.44 | MatBoy | I think the guy who wrote it forgot a Y |
| 23:46.50 | MatBoy | ttick, xv ? |
| 23:46.55 | MatBoy | kjdis, tell me :D |
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| 23:47.00 | kjdis | I know there were tools I've used before to get the id info of disks |
| 23:47.05 | ttick | MatBoy: very old image browser |
| 23:47.14 | MatBoy | ttick, Firefox ?? :P |
| 23:47.22 | ttick | MatBoy: debian doesn't include it due to license issues. |
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| 23:47.35 | MatBoy | ttick, where is it for ? |
| 23:47.36 | ttick | MatBoy: a bit more lightweight and specialized than FF ;) |
| 23:47.38 | kjdis | I bought a SanDisk Extreme III 8GB from eBay, didn't know there were so many counterfeit ones, I want to know what the actual manuf might be |
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| 23:47.47 | MatBoy | ttick, FF is not that big |
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| 23:47.56 | ttick | MatBoy: xv is usually found on unix boxen. |
| 23:48.09 | jade | where can i find the files associated with an iso? |
| 23:48.11 | MatBoy | ttick, OK :) |
| 23:48.16 | jade | an install iso ? |
| 23:48.20 | MatBoy | ttick, I'm a KDE-user :P so you know ;) |
| 23:48.25 | MatBoy | ttick, and commandline |
| 23:48.25 | jelly-ho | LinuxHelp: recent monitors (this decade) should report the supported settings themselves, so in most cases you don't even need to specify those HorizSync / VertRefresh ranges. Look for EDID in Xorg's log, that's what monitor says it's supporting. |
| 23:48.26 | MatBoy | :) |
| 23:48.32 | ttick | MatBoy: looking for something that only does images. and is light weight (for example GIMP is WAY too heavy. ;)) I'm running flux box. |
| 23:48.38 | anabain | how should I put fstab info about a HDD if I want to access it from whoever user? And which permissions must I give to the mount point dir? |
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| 23:48.47 | xiaoarly | MatBoy,I'm a fvwm user |
| 23:48.50 | zinx | kjdis: best you can get is with lsusb |
| 23:48.50 | MatBoy | ttick, get something decent :) |
| 23:49.01 | zinx | kjdis: but that can be easily faked |
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| 23:49.22 | kjdis | yeah I just wanna see |
| 23:49.24 | ttick | hmm, someone mentioned something call imagemagik? |
| 23:49.26 | wols_ | anabain: FAT filesystem? |
| 23:49.31 | ttick | or something? can't remember the name. |
| 23:49.35 | wols_ | anabain: look up uid, gid and umask |
| 23:49.37 | anabain | wols_, yes |
| 23:49.39 | kjdis | thanks |
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| 23:50.26 | anabain | wols_, I was going to put this: user,umask=000 , but don't know if it's enough |
| 23:50.43 | LinuxHelp | What do I type into my terminal to put my monitor into standby immediately? |
| 23:50.46 | jelly-ho | ttick: I've tried qiv and pornview ;-) as a xv replacement, but got back to xv. |
| 23:50.49 | anabain | wols_, and what about the permissions to the mount point? |
| 23:51.10 | zinx | LinuxHelp: xset dpms force standby |
| 23:51.38 | amphi | ttick: imagemagick; there are loads of image browsers, gthumb, gqview, feh, pornview, ... |
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| 23:52.33 | sollust | hello all...what's up with Firefox bringing up a dialog box that's completely blank? |
| 23:52.53 | ttick | jelly-ho: heh, yeah. xv, oldie but a goodie for some reason. |
| 23:53.06 | LinuxHelp | zinx, ok heres where it gets weird: I logged into another pc via xdmcp, typed what you said, and then my LOCAL monitor went into standby.. whereas I wanted the remote monitor to go into standby |
| 23:53.49 | kjdis | What's a command to examine disks, such as scsi disks? |
| 23:53.51 | LinuxHelp | sollust, Firefox has really gone downhill of late, I'm thinking of moving to Opera, if it moves to Gtk that is |
| 23:53.58 | kjdis | lsusb seems to end at the reader |
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| 23:54.21 | sollust | LinuxHelp: yeah, but I just did an etch upgrade, and now I can't get by the dialog |
| 23:54.39 | sollust | and! the buttons are wide and short, with no text |
| 23:55.05 | LinuxHelp | sollust, I also use etch but I dont think I can help |
| 23:55.28 | abrotman | sollust: buttons? |
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| 23:56.25 | sollust | abrotman: the dialog for firefox is blank, and the buttons on the dialog are blank, too |
| 23:56.36 | abrotman | ppc etch? |
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| 23:57.03 | sollust | yup |
| 23:57.04 | xiaoarly | deadcat,hello,deadcat |
| 23:57.10 | abrotman | sollust: bothered to check the BTS? |
| 23:57.39 | sollust | nope, not yet |
| 23:58.14 | abrotman | i guarantee you it's there :) |
| 23:58.17 | jelly-ho | ttick: there's even a collection of patches for xv "only" a year old at http://www.sonic.net/~roelofs/greg_xv.html, I've built a deb with those applied and it works fine. |
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| 23:59.26 | sollust | abrotman: are there any solutions to the problem? ;-) |
| 23:59.56 | abrotman | sollust: kind of :) |
