| 00:00.10 | xiaoarly | the firefox is too bloat.Are there other light weight browser |
| 00:00.14 | sollust | oh. Mea culpa. checking now... |
| 00:00.16 | abrotman | sollust: the bts holds the secrets! |
| 00:00.28 | amphi | xiaoarly: w3m has tabbed browsing ;) |
| 00:00.32 | jelly-ho | ttick: but yeah, xv has a weird license so one can't distribute patched sources or binaries, aand it's shareware. I think. |
| 00:00.59 | jelly-ho | amphi: elinks has tabs too! |
| 00:01.13 | ttick | jelly-ho: you'd think that guy would give up. xv's only been around, what, the last 15 years? |
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| 00:01.20 | xiaoarly | By the way,Recommand me a kind of light weifht cms with php+mysql |
| 00:01.22 | amphi | jelly-ho: heh - never really used it |
| 00:01.23 | Entangled | whats the command to retrieve a file from the internet? |
| 00:01.27 | abrotman | wget |
| 00:01.31 | Entangled | thanks |
| 00:01.48 | xiaoarly | joomla is too bloat |
| 00:02.25 | jelly-ho | amphi: Eh, w3m changed the keyboard layout from lynx, that's why I never switched (even though it was the first "alternative" text browser and better than lynx). |
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| 00:02.51 | wols_ | xiaoarly: drupal, e107, ... |
| 00:03.10 | amphi | jelly-ho: I got used to w3m's keybindings, so links felt strange and unpleasant ;) |
| 00:03.21 | xiaoarly | wols_,I have used drupal |
| 00:04.27 | w32 | you know how windows has the "tree" command ? What would be the debian equivalent ? |
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| 00:05.19 | amphi | w32: what does windows tree do? |
| 00:05.20 | jelly-ho | w32: eh, tree |
| 00:05.41 | w32 | it displays the entire directory structure of the harddisk |
| 00:05.51 | dendrite | w32: apt-get install tree |
| 00:05.53 | amphi | w32: as jelly-ho said, tree(1) |
| 00:05.56 | illsci | what facility sets the permission of /dev/* on reboot or where is that configured.... I have a device file that keeps changing perms when I reboot... its not console.perms is it? |
| 00:06.23 | illsci | im running etch.. |
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| 00:06.47 | w32 | hahah OMG, I didn't even think of apt-cache search thanks guys |
| 00:07.15 | xiaoarly | Do you use icq client? |
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| 00:07.30 | illsci | udev... |
| 00:07.31 | illsci | hmm |
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| 00:07.52 | jelly-ho | w32: or find / -type d if you don't care about the graphics and only want the directory names, or du to display usage ... all of those display directory names. |
| 00:08.17 | abrotman | iLLf8d: permissions on what? |
| 00:08.18 | wols_ | abrotman: dev entries made by udev |
| 00:08.19 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 00:08.32 | jelly-ho | tree(1) must have been written by a DOS nostalgic. |
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| 00:09.48 | abrotman | iLLf8d: doh! |
| 00:09.57 | jelly-ho | iLLf8d: grep /etc/udev/rules.d/* for your device type |
| 00:10.15 | abrotman | illsci: perms on what device? |
| 00:10.24 | jelly-ho | err |
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| 00:10.35 | abrotman | jelly-ho: join the club! |
| 00:10.45 | jelly-ho | illsci: grep /etc/udev/rules.d/* for your device type |
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| 00:11.22 | jelly-ho | Nicks ought to be first-three-letters unique. |
| 00:11.35 | dvs | jelly-ho: yup |
| 00:11.46 | abrotman | jelly-ho: mine is .. and i still get misfires |
| 00:12.03 | abrotman | jelly-ho: and you're one to talk .. jelly and jelly-ho |
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| 00:12.14 | jelly-ho | abrotman: hey, that's me too! |
| 00:12.21 | abrotman | i know! |
| 00:12.27 | abrotman | do you highlight on both ? |
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| 00:12.46 | jelly-ho | abrotman: no, only on jelly substring ;-) |
| 00:12.52 | abrotman | sollust: find it ? |
| 00:12.57 | abrotman | jelly-ho: good enough |
| 00:13.06 | sollust | abrotman: yes...downgrading I will go |
| 00:13.34 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 00:13.34 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. But you can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 00:13.39 | abrotman | dvs: it's one package |
| 00:13.48 | dvs | abrotman: not possible! ;-) |
| 00:13.51 | jelly-ho | hrm? |
| 00:14.04 | jelly-ho | What about apt-get install foo=this-version? |
| 00:14.07 | wols_ | dvs: bah. dpkg can do evreything |
| 00:14.15 | abrotman | jelly-ho: only one version of FF in etch |
| 00:14.33 | illsci | geezz... |
| 00:14.41 | sollust | dvs: I had to work with a d/g of xserver-xfree86 for about a month at one point |
| 00:14.44 | jelly-ho | abrotman: snaphost.debian.net ftw! |
| 00:14.46 | illsci | yeah ive been looking at the udev.rules... |
| 00:14.54 | abrotman | jelly-ho: i know |
| 00:14.59 | illsci | i just want udev to stop changing perms on /dev/grsec |
| 00:15.07 | xiaoarly | The people number is more than debian in freenode? |
| 00:15.10 | illsci | i dont see where it sets the default perms on things |
| 00:15.12 | abrotman | illsci: who owns it ? |
| 00:15.22 | illsci | root should |
| 00:15.27 | illsci | but its like 644 |
| 00:15.32 | illsci | i think... |
| 00:15.35 | abrotman | and group ? |
| 00:15.40 | xiaoarly | The gentoo people number is more than debian in freenode? |
| 00:15.55 | illsci | naw.... |
| 00:15.58 | abrotman | xiaoarly: there's a whole other #debian on oftc |
| 00:15.59 | dvs | xiaoarly: go find out |
| 00:16.07 | illsci | its 611 |
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| 00:16.28 | xiaoarly | abrotman,ok |
| 00:16.38 | illsci | its supposed to be but when i reboot it makes it 660 |
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| 00:16.55 | jelly-ho | illsci: you could add a rule for it to become 611 or whatever you want it to be. |
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| 00:17.04 | illsci | yeah i know |
| 00:17.13 | illsci | but what to put in which file is what im trying to figure out |
| 00:17.36 | illsci | obviously there is a setting thats changing its perms now... so somethings matching this devices |
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| 00:18.40 | jelly-ho | illsci: I think it's not "changing" it, it's creating a fresh device after reboot. |
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| 00:18.54 | abrotman | that's what udev does |
| 00:19.02 | illsci | i found it |
| 00:19.04 | illsci | permissions.rules |
| 00:19.06 | illsci | hahaha |
| 00:19.10 | illsci | who would have thought |
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| 00:19.26 | dvs | illsci: it's a trick! dive! |
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| 00:22.38 | linux2 | hey can anyone help me with compiling the nvidia module |
| 00:22.43 | linux2 | i am running m-a |
| 00:22.51 | linux2 | and then selecting nvidia like i always have |
| 00:23.24 | abrotman | and? |
| 00:23.40 | Entangled | how do I print the contents of a directory with permissions of files? |
| 00:23.56 | Entangled | display on the screen |
| 00:23.57 | abrotman | ls -l |
| 00:24.03 | Entangled | thanks |
| 00:24.09 | abrotman | !tell Entangled about grounding |
| 00:24.22 | linux2 | humm |
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| 00:25.23 | simmerz | has anyone got roundcube working with cyrus? esp with global folders |
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| 00:25.37 | dvs | !confuse simmerz |
| 00:25.37 | dpkg | Yes, how is my ferret today, simmerz? pants of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra cheese |
| 00:25.45 | simmerz | dvs: thanks |
| 00:25.51 | dvs | :-D |
| 00:25.59 | simmerz | dvs: I guess thats a no? |
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| 00:26.10 | abrotman | #cyrus? |
| 00:26.13 | dvs | simmerz: never heard of it. |
| 00:26.24 | simmerz | abrotman: I wish someone there would answer! |
| 00:26.38 | simmerz | abrotman: I've asked in #cyrus, #postfix, #roundcube and here now |
| 00:26.38 | abrotman | simmerz: wait .. a while .. they're narcoleptic |
| 00:26.49 | simmerz | abrotman: lol. I'm impatient |
| 00:26.54 | abrotman | !hurry |
| 00:26.55 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 00:27.06 | simmerz | lol |
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| 00:28.17 | clamavkid | hello everybody , how can i clear the dpkg cache files , example i want to upgrade some programs but dpkg is taking the cache files not the new ones |
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| 00:28.38 | abrotman | man apt-get |
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| 00:31.45 | anabain | clamavkid, do you mean apt-get clean ? |
| 00:32.46 | clamavkid | LET ME TRY |
| 00:32.55 | clamavkid | i think that is |
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| 00:35.14 | merlincorey | why would bringing up a network interface result in the error SIOCSIFFLAGS no such file or directory? |
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| 00:36.28 | clamavkid | what is this ? dpkg: error processing clamav-freshclam (--configure): |
| 00:36.53 | clamavkid | grrr |
| 00:36.54 | clamavkid | same |
| 00:37.03 | clamavkid | dpkg is giving me trouble :( |
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| 00:37.45 | abrotman | merlincorey: bum driver |
| 00:37.47 | merlincorey | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.54 | merlincorey | broken driver, you say, sir? |
| 00:38.01 | abrotman | perhaps .. or broken device |
| 00:38.09 | merlincorey | device should be working |
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| 00:39.18 | merlincorey | hmmm ok thank ye :) |
| 00:39.44 | merlincorey | I guess I'll play with new kernel and driver combinations |
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| 00:44.48 | bintut | how can i install ekiga on debian etch? |
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| 00:46.57 | abrotman | bintut: is it packaged ? |
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| 00:49.58 | simmerz | abrotman: they are soooo slow! |
| 00:50.10 | abrotman | they are? |
| 00:50.13 | abrotman | who is they? |
| 00:50.15 | simmerz | #cyrus |
| 00:50.18 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:50.21 | bintut | abrotman: not that i know |
| 00:50.56 | abrotman | bintut: ok .. how would you install it on another distro ? |
| 00:51.08 | bintut | how can i make use of fglrx installed on my debian etch? it seems that my X still uses mesa when i do a fglrxinfo |
| 00:51.16 | bintut | abrotman: on my debian etch |
| 00:51.32 | bintut | abrotman: i can't apt-get ekiga |
| 00:51.39 | abrotman | no shit .. we covered that already |
| 00:51.47 | abrotman | how would you install ekiga on another distro ? |
| 00:52.06 | bintut | i want to install it on debian etch |
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| 00:53.07 | abrotman | bintut: have you checked their website? |
| 00:53.21 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:53.26 | abrotman | !info gnomemeeting etch |
| 00:53.30 | dpkg | gnomemeeting: (The GnomeMeeting Voice Over IP Suite), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.2.3-6 (etch), Packaged size: 3491 kB, Installed size: 10280 kB |
| 00:53.34 | abrotman | there you go |
| 00:53.38 | abrotman | i didn't know they renamed it .. |
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| 00:54.04 | abrotman | bintut: that's how you install it |
| 00:55.02 | bintut | abrotman: the former name for ekiga was gnomemeeting.. |
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| 00:55.14 | abrotman | i see that .. |
| 00:55.19 | bintut | abrotman: i don't know if gnomemeeting has a sip support because ekiga has |
| 00:55.25 | abrotman | install it .. find out |
| 00:55.29 | abrotman | i don't know either |
| 00:55.33 | bintut | well, it's installed already |
| 00:55.35 | bintut | ok |
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| 00:56.04 | bintut | abrotman: what about making use of fglrx driver and 3d on debian etch? any idea? |
| 00:56.12 | abrotman | bintut: or check backports.org or apt-get.org |
| 00:56.19 | abrotman | bintut: i don't use ati drivers.. nfc |
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| 00:56.22 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 00:56.22 | dpkg | methinks fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), but it's in sid only, not in etch, or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 00:56.25 | tongueroo | hey all, can anyone recommend a good dns hosting service? |
| 00:58.52 | abrotman | hrm .. i have a memo from simonrvn |
| 00:58.54 | bintut | abrotman: ok.. thanks.. |
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| 01:00.16 | smacnay_ | Anyone here using the nvidia packages in Debian testing with a .deb kernel? I see a hold up with my nvidia-glx package waiting for an nvidia-kernel package. Is the nvidia-kernel package not the same one as my kernel version (nvidia-kernel-2.6.16-2-k7)? |
| 01:00.41 | abrotman | !nvidia etch |
| 01:00.47 | abrotman | !etch nvidia |
| 01:00.47 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
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| 01:02.44 | tuv | will nvidia be back to etch before it's released? |
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| 01:03.29 | abrotman | i hope not ... :) |
| 01:03.49 | tuv | abrotman, you selfish $%@#$ |
| 01:04.08 | abrotman | tuv: uhm .. nvidia are the people that won't release open source drivers ... |
| 01:04.22 | magyar | hi, is there a security repo for etch? |
| 01:04.49 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:04.55 | abrotman | same as sarge .. use etch instead |
| 01:04.59 | tuv | abrotman, uhm.. we are the people using their non-opensource drivers |
| 01:05.11 | clamavkid | what is this /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: clamav-freshclam is broken or not fully installed |
| 01:05.22 | magyar | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:05.36 | gravity | Is that true? |
| 01:05.46 | gravity | I thought the etch security repo was totally separate and unique |
| 01:05.50 | gravity | magyar: http://secure-testing.debian.net/ |
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| 01:06.10 | tuv | gravity, magyar: it is now on security.debian.org |
| 01:06.18 | gravity | That's good news |
| 01:07.06 | abrotman | tuv: i'm not |
| 01:07.18 | abrotman | gravity: i think Maulkin moved it |
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| 01:07.32 | abrotman | or thought |
| 01:07.37 | tuv | abrotman doesn't-belong-to 'we' |
| 01:07.44 | gravity | Rock |
| 01:08.00 | abrotman | if i could figure out the structure .. i'd verify |
| 01:08.26 | abrotman | UTF ? |
| 01:09.15 | tuv | abrotman, how can i type it in |
| 01:09.15 | Dewi | somebody commited enormous files into our CVS... is there some way to delete permanently? |
| 01:09.17 | tuv | ? |
| 01:09.21 | abrotman | tuv: nfc .. |
| 01:09.29 | abrotman | Dewi: rm |
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| 01:10.02 | magyar | abrotman: it is only "main". The security doesnt apply to "contrib" and "non-free" / |
| 01:10.03 | Dewi | abrotman: rm /var/lib/cvs/bigfile.zip ? |
| 01:10.03 | magyar | ? |
| 01:10.08 | Bhavesh | *phew* |
| 01:10.10 | Dewi | abrotman: will that bork my repo? |
| 01:10.25 | tuv | hmm.. that's a good question. how to type in UTF characters? actually aren't some math symbols in ASCII already? |
| 01:10.26 | abrotman | Dewi: i've done it to ours .. ask #cvs to verify .. but i've done rm and mv :) |
| 01:10.35 | Dewi | :) |
| 01:10.36 | abrotman | magyar: uhm .. i htink it does |
| 01:10.48 | jcreigh | tuv: No, not in ASCII. |
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| 01:10.57 | jcreigh | tuv: Well, unless you count * - / +, etc. |
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| 01:11.10 | Kevin` | how does linux software raid handle hotplugging devices while in use> |
| 01:11.25 | tuv | ok.. how can i type in, like, belongs-to ? |
| 01:12.02 | tuv | and not-equal |
| 01:12.12 | L4m3r | I'm having some issues installing Etch in a dual-boot configuration... for some reason neither GRUB nor LILO will install. Lilo returns error code 1. |
| 01:12.14 | abrotman | maybe ask #math |
| 01:12.57 | dn4 | does 01100111 01100101 01100101 01101011 = nerd? |
| 01:13.05 | L4m3r | everything else seems to have worked, so perhaps there is a way to install the boot loader separately? with a live CD maybe? |
| 01:13.13 | abrotman | you could |
| 01:13.17 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 01:13.17 | dpkg | it has been said that grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 01:13.40 | Dwonis | tuv: gucharmap will let you select any unicode character from a list, and copy-and-paste from there, but that might not be what you want |
| 01:14.07 | abrotman | Dwonis: mine doesn't show other chars .. for some reason |
| 01:14.18 | abrotman | Ø‹ |
| 01:14.22 | abrotman | i get stuff like that |
| 01:15.14 | tuv | maybe your client or the irc server doesn't understand or not configured to handle UTF |
| 01:15.25 | abrotman | i'd think the gucharmap would ... |
| 01:16.21 | tuv | well it would generate a utf code, but the irc client and possibly the server will need to understand it |
| 01:16.25 | tuv | won't they? |
| 01:16.30 | bintut | is backports.org safe enough for debian etch? |
| 01:16.45 | abrotman | bintut: try it .. if it fails .. don't force it .. i saw ekiga packages for etch at apt-get.org |
| 01:16.51 | abrotman | though .. they are cvs snaps |
| 01:17.03 | bintut | abrotman: ok |
| 01:19.33 | Matt___ | what is a good install directory to select for google earth? |
| 01:19.57 | abrotman | that's up to you |
| 01:19.59 | abrotman | !stow |
| 01:20.00 | dpkg | well, stow is a nifty program used to manage /usr/local/ hierarchy -- it keeps all programs seperate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game |
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| 01:20.36 | Dwonis | abrotman: you might need to install some Unicode fonts. unifont springs to mind |
| 01:20.47 | Dwonis | abrotman: You might also have to use uxterm or something |
| 01:21.09 | abrotman | Dwonis: i'm not a big fonts person .. so .. kind of .. however they work is good enough for me .. as long as i can read it :) |
| 01:21.11 | danbrwn | what do i change in my apt list to get sid unstable when i upgrade |
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| 01:21.19 | Matt___ | abrotman: well im a newb, so i would like some input |
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| 01:21.30 | abrotman | Matt___: use stow or checkinstall |
| 01:21.56 | Dewi | abrotman: I've deleted the files. It felt good. This repo is retired anyway, so I no longer care if I might be breaking it :P |
| 01:23.12 | abrotman | Dewi: yeah .. i have people who check in all kinds of crap.. my boss doesn't understand *source code* control .. and checks in binaries |
| 01:23.16 | abrotman | compiled binaries |
| 01:23.29 | Dewi | abrotman: this guy checked in his My Documents and Desktop |
| 01:23.35 | abrotman | tard |
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| 01:23.38 | Dewi | abrotman: including hundreds of MB of downloaded shareware |
| 01:23.48 | Dwonis | abrotman: Arabic script doesn't work for me in xterm, but math stuff seems to: ∀ x∈R, y∈R ∃ y ∋ x<y |
| 01:23.48 | abrotman | double tard |
| 01:23.58 | abrotman | some of those work |
| 01:24.00 | danbrwn | what do i change in my sources.list file to get sid when i upgrade |
| 01:24.02 | abrotman | i think |
| 01:24.08 | abrotman | i got an upside down A |
| 01:24.18 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
| 01:24.18 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 01:24.35 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 01:24.35 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 01:24.37 | Dwonis | abrotman: it's supposed to be an upside-down A. ∀ means "for all" |
| 01:24.41 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 01:24.52 | Dwonis | abrotman: for all real x and y, there exists y such that x < y |
| 01:25.07 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 01:25.20 | Bhavesh | wait i think i just did something that is not possible |
| 01:25.27 | danbrwn | dpkg, thanks for the advice do you know? I am a develper who recently moved over to linux, i need sid at home but forgot how i did it at work, Do you know? |
| 01:25.27 | dpkg | de nada, danbrwn |
| 01:26.00 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 01:26.00 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 01:26.16 | Bhavesh | i did m-a a-i nvidia |
| 01:26.18 | abrotman | !tell danbrwn about sid faq |
| 01:26.20 | Bhavesh | and it installed the drivers |
| 01:26.23 | Bhavesh | and i am on testing |
| 01:27.45 | dn4 | 01100111 01100101 01100101 01101011 = Geek |
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| 01:29.08 | __honky | Suppose have a classical Motif app having it's own fonts.alias file that you happen to debianize, i.e. make a debian package, how do you convert the fonts.alias to some fontconfig file in /etc/fonts/conf.{d,avail} ? |
| 01:31.23 | danbrwn | so how to change to testing, then |
| 01:32.17 | tuv | Dwonis, yay.. was that using gucharmap? |
| 01:32.42 | abrotman | !tell danbrwn about sarge->etch |
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| 01:34.46 | Entangled | i can telnet to port 80 but when i try on port 3128 (which i know is open) I get this telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host) how do i enable it to go out on port 3128? |
| 01:35.00 | tuv | Dwonis, yay.. was that using gucharmap? |
| 01:35.48 | Dwonis | tuv: yeah |
| 01:35.53 | abrotman | pseubodot: HORSY! |
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| 01:36.01 | abrotman | Entangled: then it's not open |
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| 01:36.13 | abrotman | wait .. no route ? |
| 01:37.23 | Entangled | on the windows machine it connects but not on the linux one |
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| 01:38.16 | tuv | Dwonis, do i have to choose a particular script? |
| 01:39.06 | __honky | Entangled: You "telnet <host> 80" works and "telnet <host> 3128" gives you No route to host? |
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| 01:41.16 | danbrwn | what command do you use for system information, processor, ram etc.. |
| 01:41.31 | Matt___ | infobash |
| 01:41.41 | __honky | danbrwn: cat /proc/cpuinfo for a start |
| 01:42.08 | abrotman | danbrwn: poke around in /proc/ .. lots of stuff there .. or dmesg |
| 01:42.16 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 01:42.16 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have |
| 01:44.55 | tuv | ∉ |
| 01:44.59 | tuv | YAY |
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| 01:49.25 | clamavkid | what is the channel for spanassasin? |
| 01:49.46 | Dwonis | tuv: yeah, you can choose by script, or you can go View -> By Unicode Block, and choose that way. (by unicode block is probably better for math characters) |
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| 01:50.56 | danbrwn | turns out my sources.list does not contain a web reference, only cd's what is the line to put for debian etc, http://??? |
| 01:51.10 | abrotman | gravity: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian-security/dists/etch/updates/ |
| 01:51.18 | abrotman | danbrwn: run apt-setup |
| 01:52.05 | gravity | abrotman: Sweetness |
| 01:52.12 | debiankid | mmm spamd? |
| 01:52.22 | abrotman | gravity: i forgot that only certain mirrors have debian-security :) |
| 01:52.34 | danbrwn | any prefernces for us, southern states |
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| 01:52.48 | abrotman | danbrwn: there are many mirrors .. i think there's a gatech mirror |
| 01:53.03 | iLLf8d | anyone know what unstables gnome version is atm? |
| 01:53.18 | tvn | anyone can tell me where to get the xv program on debian ? it seems not to be apt-gettable |
| 01:53.20 | abrotman | ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu |
| 01:53.29 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel sid |
| 01:53.34 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 380 kB, Installed size: 876 kB |
| 01:53.36 | iLLf8d | tvn whatya using it for? |
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| 01:53.47 | Bhavesh | !info kde testing |
| 01:53.48 | abrotman | iLLf8d: more or less .. 2.14 |
| 01:53.49 | danbrwn | thanks |
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| 01:53.51 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:47 (etch), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 01:53.52 | iLLf8d | gotcha |
| 01:54.20 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel experimental |
| 01:54.22 | tvn | iLLf8d: just need it to be consistent in viewing images on my school machine |
| 01:54.38 | Bhavesh | !info |
| 01:54.44 | abrotman | Bhavesh: that's not how it works |
| 01:55.05 | abrotman | Bhavesh: the 'kde' package is a metapackage |
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| 01:55.19 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:55.19 | dpkg | <hotdog> how do i join the debian channel? |
| 01:55.39 | Bhavesh | i know.. i thought i was able t install kde with apt-get install kde but i guess not |
| 01:55.45 | iLLf8d | tvn, was just wondering cause theres a few alternatives out there |
| 01:55.54 | Bhavesh | how do i install kde and it's all packages? |
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| 01:56.07 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 01:56.07 | dpkg | well, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 01:56.26 | Bhavesh | this is testing and it won't install anything |
| 01:56.47 | abrotman | it should .. or say it's not possible |
| 01:56.52 | Bhavesh | correction this is unstbable |
| 01:57.02 | abrotman | should still be there |
| 01:57.04 | Bhavesh | it gives me a list of packages saying those are needed but won't be isntalled |
| 01:57.26 | Bhavesh | installed even |
| 01:57.30 | Bhavesh | sorry have to run son is waking up |
| 01:57.37 | Bhavesh | thanks abrotman |
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| 02:00.03 | Xorm | man pepto-bismol |
| 02:00.13 | Xorm | no entry. O_O |
| 02:00.24 | abrotman | cat stomach > /dev/toilet |
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| 02:01.43 | pipeline | it's like someone's building a superhighway from my ass to the bowl, fuck |
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| 02:05.00 | muntyan | Hey, I am getting "Internal Error, could not early remove e2fsprogs" from apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 02:05.23 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 02:05.23 | dpkg | [e2fsprogs loop] you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian etch or sid which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:05.57 | muntyan | i'm installing testing using netinstall CD, and this thing is after the installation |
| 02:06.27 | muntyan | hm, maybe i got an old cd somehow |
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| 02:07.01 | muntyan | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:07.17 | abrotman | fix it ? |
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| 02:10.28 | muntyan | abrotman: 13.3kB/s, will see :) |
| 02:10.45 | abrotman | ok |
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| 02:24.00 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:24.00 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 02:25.40 | muntyan | apt-get moo |
| 02:26.07 | muntyan | abrotman: now i actually looked at what's written on CD, and it says "Sarge" :) |
| 02:26.07 | abrotman | in a terminal on your box |
| 02:26.13 | abrotman | muntyan: doh! |
| 02:26.17 | muntyan | i thought it was a fresh testing cd |
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| 02:26.32 | muntyan | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 02:26.54 | w32 | Does anyone know of a simple web based inventory management app for debian running apache2 ? |
| 02:27.11 | abrotman | apt-cache search inventory .. or check at freshmeat |
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| 02:28.59 | muntyan | abrotman: http://mooedit.sourceforge.net/hg/moo/ |
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| 02:29.04 | muntyan | moo! moo! |
| 02:29.05 | muntyan | :) |
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| 02:30.33 | w32 | Does anyone know of a simple web based inventory management app for debian running apache2 ? |
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| 02:31.20 | abrotman | w32: apt-cache search inventory .. or check at freshmeat |
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| 02:32.28 | w32 | checkin freshmeat now my friend, didn't think of apt-cache for something like this once again, but it's not like network inventory-more like hard finished goods |
| 02:32.33 | Gammamute | hi! I have a quick question, thanks for your patience. Can someone explain to me why the big linux distros haven't program installation easier like windows? i.e. user clicks on installer, it installs, and then the program is in your kmenu ready to be used as a gui frontend? |
| 02:32.45 | abrotman | w32: i'm aware of what you mean ... |
| 02:33.07 | abrotman | Gammamute: uhm .. have you ever installed linux ? |
| 02:33.14 | Gammamute | yup |
| 02:33.15 | Kevin` | Gammamute simply put, they do have that feature |
| 02:33.18 | Gammamute | all the time |
| 02:33.19 | muntyan | Gammamute: because they don't have billions bucks to spend on easy installation |
| 02:33.23 | Gammamute | rpm does it...but... |
| 02:33.27 | abrotman | muntyan: they do have what he's asking |
| 02:33.35 | abrotman | aw hell .. IRIX had it like 10 years ago |
| 02:33.36 | muntyan | oh |
| 02:33.37 | Kevin` | rpm and any other package manager |
| 02:33.40 | muntyan | *program* |
| 02:33.40 | Kevin` | like apt.. |
| 02:33.49 | gravity | Gammamute: Because linux distros don't usually consider it a good idea to throw every dependency inside the package the way windows does |
| 02:33.52 | muntyan | sorry, installing system here :) |
| 02:33.53 | w32 | abrotman: sorry everyone seems to think the former |
| 02:34.06 | Gammamute | it isn't the same. it just installs it, and there's no *program* guideline that makes apps easy to find in your menus unless they were originally packaged with the OS |
| 02:34.11 | w32 | :-) |
| 02:34.13 | gravity | Gammamute: For bugfixes on shared components like libraries, most notably security fixes, fixing things properly becomes essentially impossible |
| 02:34.19 | abrotman | gravity: were you here the day the guy wanted all the debian packages to be static binaries ? |
| 02:34.31 | gravity | abrotman: Mercifully, no |
| 02:34.37 | Kevin` | Gammamute not all the programs have a GUI component to put in the 'start menu' |
| 02:34.40 | abrotman | gravity: it was entertaining :) |
| 02:34.51 | Gammamute | not unless the install directories were mandatory and arbitrarily decided by the *programmer* |
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| 02:35.08 | muntyan | Gammamute: things get better with time, you already can have menu item in debian without distro support |
| 02:35.10 | Gammamute | kevin, I agree, but you can't even find the script sometimes |
| 02:35.18 | muntyan | without debian-specific stuff, that is |
| 02:35.33 | gravity | Oh... you just want a menu item? |
| 02:35.34 | gravity | Geez. |
| 02:35.43 | Gammamute | also, the os should be apache-mysql-php configured right-out-of-the-box |
| 02:35.53 | Gammamute | alot of distros claim to be, but aren't. |
| 02:35.55 | gravity | Gammamute: there's a defined spec for that. It's up to the packager to decide where their menu item goes, just like in windows |
| 02:35.56 | Kevin` | some people don't want apache and mysql and php |
| 02:35.57 | Gammamute | like mandriva |
| 02:35.59 | Kevin` | that's stupid |
| 02:36.08 | danbrwn | Gammamute: i am new to linux, let me tell you i find it refreshing to actually be able to control what gets installed including my kernal, without some huge corporation figuring it out and eliminating all my options for me. |
| 02:36.10 | Gammamute | well, I mean there should be a desktop server release |
| 02:36.22 | Kevin` | debian has packages for those.. you tell it to install 'apache mysql php' |
| 02:36.23 | Kevin` | DONE |
| 02:36.34 | gravity | Wow... I don't even know what you want anymore. It's all crack to me. |
| 02:36.52 | Gammamute | Kevin, i wish it was that easy, but installing it is only half the battle unless you're a linux guru |
| 02:37.08 | abrotman | gravity: put the pipe down! |
| 02:37.09 | Kevin` | Gammamute what's the other half |
| 02:37.18 | Gammamute | configuring it to function |
| 02:37.22 | Gammamute | installing modules |
| 02:37.25 | Kevin` | Gammamute it IS configured to function |
| 02:37.29 | abrotman | desktop server ? |
| 02:37.33 | Gammamute | this should all be gui based. |
| 02:37.42 | Kevin` | Gammamute you expect the distro maintainer to know the exact options you want? |
| 02:37.47 | Gammamute | for stupid users who want serverts |
| 02:38.00 | abrotman | stupid users shouldn't run servers .. that's how we get the slammer worm |
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| 02:38.10 | Gammamute | slammer worm? |
| 02:38.28 | danbrwn | Gammamute: why your talking in a console now, it may have a menu or maybe just a terminal, dont you think this is a good communication medium? |
| 02:38.50 | Gammamute | it most certainly is, but I have to tell you, it's no where near as complex as a terminal |
| 02:38.59 | Gammamute | the linux terminal is not for newbs |
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| 02:39.16 | Gammamute | i dunno...i just think the security is way too tight for the average desktop user. |
| 02:39.23 | Gammamute | sudo shouldn't even be a function |
| 02:39.28 | Kevin` | you expect someone to be able to sit down at a terminal and know how to use it? |
| 02:39.35 | Gammamute | yes! |
| 02:39.37 | Kevin` | try them on dos sometime |
| 02:39.39 | Gammamute | absolutely |
| 02:39.40 | danbrwn | agreed, not for the faint of heart but for old timers who used to have control of their machine, it is refreshing let me tell you |
| 02:39.47 | Kevin` | Gammamute that's unrealistic |
| 02:40.03 | Kevin` | Gammamute try a NEW computer user out on even windows, sometime |
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| 02:40.06 | Gammamute | why not? honestly the concept of a terminal is out-dated |
| 02:40.08 | Kevin` | they will be horribly confused |
| 02:40.25 | Kevin` | the terminal is still the quickest way to do things |
| 02:40.28 | abrotman | WAH WAH .. Troll alert .. WAH WAH |
| 02:40.32 | Kevin` | there's more keys on the keyboard then the mouse |
| 02:40.34 | Kevin` | no way around it. |
| 02:40.35 | dendrite | Gammamute: Out-dated perhaps, but for raw power and control, nothing else has come along that compares. |
| 02:40.44 | Gammamute | besides well designed GUIs! |
| 02:40.49 | Kevin` | no |
| 02:40.49 | Gammamute | seriously. |
| 02:40.53 | Kevin` | well designed guis |
| 02:40.55 | Kevin` | are slower |
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| 02:41.05 | dendrite | Gammamute: GUI's are slow, compared to CLI. |
| 02:41.07 | abrotman | well designed guis are only well designed for a subset of people |
| 02:41.08 | Gammamute | they're slower because no one has put enough work into them |
| 02:41.17 | Gammamute | true |
| 02:41.22 | Gammamute | i agree with that |
| 02:41.26 | Kevin` | Gammamute so go put some work into a good X or windows gui |
| 02:41.42 | dendrite | Gammamute: No, they're slower because they are based on a "recognition" paradigm, rather than a "recollection" paradigm. |
| 02:41.44 | Kevin` | and stop complaining about it :) |
| 02:41.46 | chance2105 | One a package has been removed, is it possible to still have apt (or dpkg) purge the config files for it? |
| 02:41.47 | Gammamute | well, that would require the use of a command line, of which I am a newb |
| 02:41.53 | danbrwn | dendrite: i read somewhere that linux takes a tools approach, i think that makes perfect since for programmers, scientist and anyone who actually has to hobble things together. |
| 02:41.58 | Kevin` | Gammamute learn it |
| 02:42.25 | Gammamute | I've had to...confusing as hell. |
| 02:42.28 | dendrite | chance2105: Damn good question. I don't think so, other than install and *then* purge. |
| 02:42.37 | abrotman | chance2105: dpkg -P |
| 02:42.45 | Kevin` | Gammamute as someone who uses it, I disagree :) |
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| 02:42.53 | dendrite | abrotman: dpkg -P will play with a package that's not installed? |
| 02:43.16 | abrotman | dendrite: it will purge a package that's only been removed and left the config files behind |
| 02:43.19 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 02:43.21 | danbrwn | just try reading the windows developers guides if you want complex thirty argument function calls only accessable through custom software development. |
| 02:43.25 | dendrite | abrotman: Cool. |
| 02:43.30 | abrotman | dendrite: indeed! |
| 02:43.30 | Kevin` | Gammamute what operating systems have you used before linux |
| 02:43.33 | danbrwn | same things are easily done with scripting on linux |
| 02:43.49 | abrotman | dendrite: though .. sometimes i wish(and there might be) an apt.conf option to always purge unless you specify the other way |
| 02:44.01 | chance2105 | abrotman: Thanks |
| 02:44.08 | dendrite | abrotman: Yeah, I can see that. |
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| 02:45.02 | abrotman | hehe .. abrotman+C = tequila overdose |
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| 02:51.30 | Matt___ | any updates on when flash will be making its way around here. from what ive heard its getting ok on ubuntu |
| 02:52.08 | findme | how to get mplayer codecs? |
| 02:52.39 | abrotman | Matt___: msot of us have flash already |
| 02:52.39 | abrotman | !tell findme about w32codecs |
| 02:52.53 | findme | abrotman, yo abrotman++ |
| 02:53.05 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:53.08 | Matt___ | abrotman: im speaking of flash 8.5 or 9 or whatever they are calling it these days |
| 02:53.14 | findme | abrotman, sup chief |
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| 02:53.26 | abrotman | Matt___: ubuntu doesn't have it either |
| 02:53.27 | abrotman | noone does |
| 02:53.33 | abrotman | findme: i'm old :) |
| 02:53.47 | findme | abrotman, 19 :-) |
| 02:53.48 | Matt___ | i think the developer has it running on ubuntu |
| 02:54.03 | abrotman | Matt___: good for him .. noone else does .. it hasn't been releasd for linux yet |
| 02:54.05 | dendrite | I've heard it can run under wine. |
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| 02:54.18 | abrotman | dendrite: that's a different story |
| 02:54.29 | dendrite | abrotman: Totally. Wine is... icky. |
| 02:54.37 | Matt___ | the non flash 8 is making my espn.com look horrible |
| 02:54.40 | abrotman | and not really the same thing |
| 02:54.48 | abrotman | Matt___: go cry to adobe .. not us |
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| 02:55.16 | dendrite | Agreed, except that in some ways, it is. Depends on what one is looking for. |
| 02:55.30 | danbrwn | how to install my wintv card and software to use? |
| 02:55.55 | abrotman | !bttv |
| 02:55.55 | dpkg | i heard bttv is a driver for the bt848/bt878 tv tuner chip which is on most tv tuner card and you can find it at http://www.strusel007.de/linux/bttv/, or moved to http://www.metzlerbros.de/bttv.html. MPEG-2 cards like PVR-250s should see {ivtv} |
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| 02:56.01 | abrotman | i think that's the one most use .. though i don't know |
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| 03:04.03 | Malawar | I uh.. removed some comfig files from /etc, and reinstalling the package that created them seems to not recreate the config files like I had hoped it would |
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| 03:05.25 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 03:05.25 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 03:06.43 | Malawar | well, that's interesting. |
| 03:06.44 | Malawar | thanks :P |
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| 03:12.42 | karrotx | go go go |
| 03:13.14 | abrotman | again ? |
| 03:13.24 | karrotx | gadget |
| 03:13.37 | karrotx | sorry i've been having problems with my irc client |
| 03:13.45 | karrotx | i'm not trying to spam join :0 |
| 03:13.51 | abrotman | lies! |
| 03:14.01 | karrotx | i wish, that would mean my client is working propperly |
| 03:14.06 | karrotx | and i could be having fun spam joining |
| 03:14.06 | karrotx | :0 |
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| 03:14.54 | SEJeff | Does anyone know how to make Cyrus handle case-insensitive mailboxes? so that something like SEJeff@foo.com and sejeff@foo.com go to the same inbox? |
| 03:15.31 | abrotman | have you asked #cyrus ? |
| 03:15.37 | JuNiOx | when i try to "umount" a device... it shown the message: /mnt/pendrive is busy |
| 03:15.44 | JuNiOx | how can i umount it? |
| 03:15.55 | karrotx | JuNiOx: are you trying to umount /mnt/pendrive |
| 03:15.56 | JuNiOx | i'm not using this device anymore |
| 03:15.57 | abrotman | you're using it |
| 03:16.00 | karrotx | or are you trying to umount something else |
| 03:16.05 | abrotman | something is |
| 03:16.05 | JuNiOx | i'm not |
| 03:16.06 | abrotman | fuser /mnt/pendrive |
| 03:16.07 | karrotx | ps -A|grep |
| 03:16.18 | SEJeff | abrotman: Yes I have |
| 03:16.24 | abrotman | and? |
| 03:16.30 | merlincorey | I need some help |
| 03:16.33 | merlincorey | we all knew this already |
| 03:16.39 | SEJeff | abrotman: 18 other users and they appear asleep |
| 03:16.49 | merlincorey | but |
| 03:16.49 | JuNiOx | ps -A | grep pen = nothing |
| 03:16.49 | abrotman | merlincorey: betty ford .. betty ford |
| 03:16.55 | merlincorey | har har |
| 03:16.58 | karrotx | JuNiOx: i didn't say grep pen :0 |
| 03:16.59 | karrotx | i said grep |
| 03:17.01 | abrotman | merlincorey: hehe |
| 03:17.09 | merlincorey | abrotman, Jesus Camp |
| 03:17.23 | merlincorey | anyway |
| 03:17.31 | merlincorey | I got a new sound card |
| 03:17.39 | abrotman | merlincorey: i would never! |
| 03:17.58 | merlincorey | and like, according to the link in dpkg's "whichdriver" entry it requires a driver I already have installed |
| 03:17.59 | merlincorey | but |
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| 03:18.02 | merlincorey | no sound is coming out |
| 03:18.10 | JuNiOx | karrotx, grep without options? |
| 03:18.11 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 03:18.11 | dpkg | [alsa-checklist] 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 03:18.12 | merlincorey | no errors |
| 03:18.16 | merlincorey | it's oss |
| 03:18.18 | abrotman | JuNiOx: lsof |
| 03:18.18 | merlincorey | I think |
| 03:18.19 | karrotx | JuNiOx: grep smartly |
| 03:18.22 | karrotx | like mount |
| 03:18.23 | abrotman | or fuser |
| 03:18.39 | karrotx | or take away the grep and look with your eyes |
| 03:19.05 | dendrite | karrotx: Heh. That's "vgrep." =) |
| 03:20.10 | merlincorey | so uh |
| 03:20.13 | merlincorey | is there an ossconf? |
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| 03:21.58 | karrotx | boobies |
| 03:22.04 | karrotx | question, where is the timezone set in debian |
| 03:22.06 | karrotx | time to google |
| 03:22.26 | gravity | tzconfig |
| 03:23.41 | karrotx | how do i set the UTC? |
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| 03:23.53 | karrotx | i accidentally brokeded it |
| 03:26.08 | karrotx | there we go |
| 03:26.19 | karrotx | googling > karrotx > not googling > not pandas |
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| 03:26.56 | kingsley | karrotx: If "UTC" is an acronym for universal time code, the "date" command should be able to set it. |
| 03:27.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell karrotx -about set the time |
| 03:27.48 | karrotx | ya i got it, thanks |
| 03:27.58 | karrotx | i asked the question and then googled |
| 03:28.18 | karrotx | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html add that to dpkg |
| 03:28.19 | karrotx | it's sexy |
| 03:29.12 | dotCOMmie | Greetings, in the wpa_action man page there is an example network config block (/etc/network/interfaces) which uses "wpa-roam" option name. Its totally undocumented anyone know what it does? |
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| 03:31.43 | merlincorey | dotCOMmie, it turns on ROAMING so your ISP can rape you in the ass just as hard as your cell phone service |
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| 03:32.20 | dotCOMmie | merlincorey: Thanks for the insigtful information |
| 03:32.30 | merlincorey | dotCOMmie, you're welcome, man |
| 03:33.21 | dotCOMmie | I was just commenting in another channel how if you ask a stupid question on a huge channel you get scolded for being stupid. When you ask something serious no one answers. |
| 03:34.11 | merlincorey | yeah |
| 03:34.12 | merlincorey | I know |
| 03:34.21 | merlincorey | I seriously have no idea how to diagnose the issue with my sound card |
| 03:34.25 | merlincorey | as it in theory should be working |
| 03:34.29 | merlincorey | I have the volume up |
| 03:34.35 | dotCOMmie | all of them? |
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| 03:35.03 | amphi | dotCOMmie: heh |
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| 03:35.09 | merlincorey | yeah and I'm in the audio group, using OSS, with all the kernel modules I need installed and it just does nothing |
| 03:35.10 | merlincorey | no sound |
| 03:35.11 | merlincorey | at all |
| 03:35.24 | dotCOMmie | OSS is dead, face it. |
| 03:35.34 | merlincorey | seriously? |
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| 03:35.36 | dotCOMmie | tried alsa? |
| 03:35.39 | merlincorey | no |
| 03:35.41 | merlincorey | I actually |
| 03:35.42 | dotCOMmie | try it |
| 03:35.45 | merlincorey | have been out of the loop |
| 03:35.47 | merlincorey | for a while |
| 03:36.00 | merlincorey | so I don't even know what is current/uncurrent/working/notworking |
| 03:36.07 | merlincorey | got a good doc? |
| 03:36.10 | dotCOMmie | compile alsa and run alsaconf |
| 03:36.11 | merlincorey | on comparison |
| 03:36.20 | dotCOMmie | OSS is depreciated |
| 03:36.24 | merlincorey | why compile it?\ |
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| 03:36.41 | dotCOMmie | Well if you dont compile kernels just load alsa modules |
| 03:37.05 | merlincorey | but what is wrong with the alsa modules? |
| 03:37.09 | dotCOMmie | alsa has legacy OSS support if some of your apps dont support alsa |
| 03:37.14 | merlincorey | I don't want to recompile the kernel right now if I don't have to |
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| 03:37.25 | dotCOMmie | nothing is wrong with them |
| 03:37.46 | merlincorey | ok |
| 03:37.48 | merlincorey | well |
| 03:37.53 | merlincorey | I'll try just loading the alsa modules? |
| 03:38.01 | dotCOMmie | yes, use modconf |
| 03:38.14 | dotCOMmie | unload oss |
| 03:38.21 | dotCOMmie | what sound card btw? |
| 03:38.46 | merlincorey | some no-name using intel driver according to dpkg's whichdriver |
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| 03:39.11 | amphi | merlincorey: what does lspci say? |
| 03:39.17 | dotCOMmie | myeah |
| 03:39.46 | dotCOMmie | intel usually comes in 2 flavors chocolate and icecream.. I mean intelhd and ac97 |
| 03:39.57 | merlincorey | 80862415YesIntel Corporation82801AA AC97 Audio97 Audiosnd-intel8x0,i810_audio |
| 03:40.22 | dotCOMmie | I've used a similar card works ok |
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| 03:40.37 | karrotx | can you grep for zombie processes? |
| 03:41.50 | merlincorey | I think |
| 03:41.58 | merlincorey | I have removed oss |
| 03:41.59 | dotCOMmie | why would you want to? |
| 03:42.08 | dotCOMmie | merlincorey: install alsa and the driver |
| 03:42.14 | dotCOMmie | insert* |
| 03:44.11 | zu22 | how does one get a factoid unlocked? |
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| 03:48.16 | dotCOMmie | karrotx: ps -eo pid,stat,wchan:14,comm| grep ^[\S]*[\s]*Z.* |
| 03:48.35 | karrotx | panda |
| 03:48.43 | dotCOMmie | panda? |
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| 03:49.27 | dotCOMmie | sorry remove that ^ |
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| 03:50.07 | dotCOMmie | karrotx: omit the ^ |
| 03:51.01 | pinky | I have a GeForce 6800 GT with Nvidia's proprietary drivers installed and working. The card itself has 1 VGA port and 1 DVI port. I'd like the same signal being output on both ports simultaneously, but right now only the VGA port works. How do I enable the DVI port? |
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| 03:51.44 | DaBlade | pinky: I'd like to help you, but I have no idea.. sorry. #nvidia might be useful |
| 03:51.44 | dotCOMmie | pinky: I recall nvidia having decent docs with description of options |
| 03:52.03 | moparisthebest | what would be a good smtp mail server if I just want to accept emails sent by localhost? |
| 03:52.18 | jetscreamer | pinky, read the docs |
| 03:52.33 | pinky | Nvidia documentation? |
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| 03:53.18 | DaBlade | pinky: Try man nvidia-installer or man xorg.conf |
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| 03:53.37 | jetscreamer | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8774/README/appendix-g.html |
| 03:53.48 | jetscreamer | docs |
| 03:53.54 | dotCOMmie | jetscreamer: beat me to it d: |
| 03:53.54 | jetscreamer | README |
| 03:54.02 | jetscreamer | my kitty! |
| 03:54.11 | jetscreamer | i just threw you outside |
| 03:54.24 | jetscreamer | you hooked up the 386 in the garage no doubt |
| 03:54.32 | jetscreamer | hackercat |
| 03:54.54 | jetscreamer | (my cat's name is dotcom i call her dotcommie) |
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| 03:55.13 | dotCOMmie | have you told me this before? |
| 03:55.18 | jetscreamer | you yes this chan no |
| 03:55.30 | dotCOMmie | d: |
| 03:55.33 | dotCOMmie | which one was it? |
| 03:55.42 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 03:55.45 | jetscreamer | i'm in 20 |
| 03:55.55 | rsimpkins | Hi. I need help! It has been YEARS since I have messed with Debian (back when Deb 2.0 just came out). Has configuring the network changed, or do you still manually edit init scripts? |
| 03:56.03 | jetscreamer | maybe freenode maybe linux maybe somehting |
| 03:56.23 | pipeline | rsimpkins: man interfaces |
| 03:56.24 | sanmarcos | what is a synonim of in development that starts with s or sa, including characters i or n or g ? |
| 03:56.26 | jetscreamer | if you're on etch the network thing borks for me a lot |
| 03:56.38 | pipeline | pinky: Install nvidia-settings |
| 03:56.59 | jetscreamer | /etc/network/interfaces has that stupid allow-hotpulg stuff that borks out after a reboot or two |
| 03:57.07 | jetscreamer | i just change it back |
| 03:57.14 | jetscreamer | to auto eth0 iirc |
| 03:57.31 | jetscreamer | but then the gateway isn't set or something |
| 03:57.33 | pipeline | allow-hotplug pisses me off, too. |
| 03:57.39 | pipeline | jetscreamer: that's your own damn fault :P |
| 03:57.41 | jetscreamer | yeah that's it |
| 03:57.45 | pipeline | hotplug in general makes me angry |
| 03:57.53 | pipeline | udev and hotplug just don't work very well :P |
| 03:57.54 | jetscreamer | i just run netcardconfig |
| 03:58.01 | jetscreamer | problem solved |
| 03:58.14 | jetscreamer | but oh! it's not in debian! |
| 03:58.19 | jetscreamer | neither is anything like it |
| 03:58.24 | jetscreamer | or so it seems |
| 03:59.23 | jetscreamer | i can't run >4 hd's with udev/hotplug/initrd |
| 03:59.40 | jetscreamer | multiple controllers |
| 03:59.48 | jetscreamer | at least not the deb ver |
| 04:01.25 | dotCOMmie | rsimpkins: depends if its wifi or not, wifi (roaming is still primitive) |
| 04:01.58 | rsimpkins | dotCOMmie: I was hoping for a really nice easy to use ncurses tool that showed me all the different options and walked me through it step by step. |
| 04:02.21 | dotCOMmie | hmm not sure if that is there but the config file is really easy |
| 04:02.22 | rsimpkins | dotCOMmie: For the main NIC, not wifi |
| 04:02.32 | dotCOMmie | what type network? dhcp? |
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| 04:03.14 | predder | jetscreamer, which distro do you run netcardconfig? |
| 04:03.24 | jetscreamer | debian :) |
| 04:03.49 | jetscreamer | you need pump, dhclient and resolvconf, available in sources |
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| 04:03.56 | jetscreamer | maybe something else i forget |
| 04:04.19 | jetscreamer | which are available in sources i meant |
| 04:04.43 | jetscreamer | the script is all over the net, it's small |
| 04:04.55 | dotCOMmie | rsimpkins: you there? |
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| 04:05.15 | theTruth_ | hi |
| 04:05.34 | jetscreamer | !greet theTruth_ |
| 04:05.34 | dpkg | Gr33tz, theTruth_ |
| 04:05.40 | theTruth_ | i upgraded my kernel today, but now chkrootkit reports... Possible LKM Trojan installed! You have 1 process hidden for readdir command. You have 1 process hidden for ps command! any ideas? |
| 04:05.53 | theTruth_ | anyone help me clean my system please? |
| 04:06.05 | jetscreamer | nuke it |
| 04:06.12 | theTruth_ | nuke what and how? |
| 04:06.23 | jetscreamer | low level format the drive |
| 04:06.26 | rsimpkins | dotCOMmie: Yes |
| 04:06.29 | jetscreamer | it's what i do |
| 04:06.42 | jetscreamer | safest way is bare metal it |
| 04:06.44 | rsimpkins | dotCOMmie: I have DHCP working, I want to set up a static IP instead. |
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| 04:06.50 | theTruth_ | jetscreamer: stop trolling |
| 04:06.56 | jetscreamer | i'm not |
| 04:07.04 | theTruth_ | jetscreamer: you always waste peoples time! I have seen you do that many times |
| 04:07.04 | jetscreamer | maybe you want a diff solution |
| 04:07.09 | jetscreamer | k |
| 04:07.11 | theTruth_ | jetscreamer: troll |
| 04:07.21 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 04:07.41 | jetscreamer | name 1 |
| 04:07.54 | dotCOMmie | rsimpkins: comment out: iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 04:08.04 | dotCOMmie | assuming your interface is eth1 |
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| 04:08.30 | dotCOMmie | then add: |
| 04:08.31 | dotCOMmie | iface eth1 inet static |
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| 04:08.43 | dotCOMmie | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.49 | dotCOMmie | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.56 | dotCOMmie | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.12 | dotCOMmie | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.21 | dotCOMmie | adjust as needed |
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| 04:09.41 | rsimpkins | okay, thanks. |
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| 04:15.19 | murmur | Problem: internal DNS server running on 127.0.0.1, dns caching server running on 192.168.1.3; resolv.conf has only 192.168.1.3 on same machine, but resolution always short-circuits to trying 127.0.0.1. |
| 04:15.32 | murmur | This has been hell to google. |
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| 04:17.07 | rsimpkins | murmur: resolv.conf file setup strange? |
| 04:17.26 | murmur | Nope, two lines; the search path and the nameserver |
| 04:17.52 | rsimpkins | murmur: What tool are you using to test? dig? |
| 04:18.13 | murmur | Everything. 'host' 'ping' 'dig' etc. |
| 04:18.27 | murmur | Using dig to get uncached info and to specify server. |
| 04:18.31 | rsimpkins | murmur: And if you dig yahoo.com @192.168.1.3 it works, right? |
| 04:18.59 | murmur | Perfectly. |
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| 04:19.17 | murmur | Also, even 'host' returns the correct result for www.yahoo.com |
| 04:19.30 | rsimpkins | murmur: What is in /etc/hosts ? |
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| 04:19.58 | murmur | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 04:19.58 | murmur | 192.168.1.3 asmoday.mephisto-tabernacle.int asmoday |
| 04:20.24 | amphi | murmur: dear me |
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| 04:21.21 | murmur | Yeah, I can't really see any reason that it would do this except that there may be something in the resolv libs that says "192.168.1.3? That's me! I'll just use 127.0.0.1 and save the overhead!" |
| 04:22.18 | murmur | Also, all the other machines on the internal network use it as a DNS server and have no problems resolving either internal or external names. |
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| 04:23.21 | murmur | But 'host www.yahoo.com' returns an A record and CNAME; then 'ping www.yahoo.com' right afterwards complains of an unknown host. |
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| 04:25.36 | peterS | 'host' uses only DNS (on Linux), 'ping' uses NSS, which may be set up quite differently |
| 04:26.01 | peterS | (I note that 'host' on HP-UX uses NSS, which was pretty disconcerting at first) |
| 04:26.55 | peterS | murmur: what does the 'hosts' line in /etc/nsswitch.conf say? |
| 04:27.07 | murmur | Well, just to try a bit ago, I tried changing the 'hosts:' line in nsswitch.conf to read 'dns files' instead of 'files dns' |
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| 04:27.19 | murmur | The problem is present in both cases. |
| 04:27.51 | peterS | murmur: so back up a bit, why is it you don't want your name server listening on the loopback interface? |
| 04:28.00 | rsimpkins | heheheheh ---- for x in `seq 500 4000`; do beep -f $x -l 100; done |
| 04:28.20 | peterS | I can't think of a reason to want that |
| 04:28.21 | rsimpkins | my wife is like - what the heck? Is it going to explode? |
| 04:28.49 | peterS | rsimpkins: that would drive me nuts, starting at 500 Hz instead of, say, 440 Hz |
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| 04:29.06 | rsimpkins | haha - I can't stop it. :) |
| 04:29.42 | jcreigh | rsimpkins: I remember doing that with QBASIC way back when. |
| 04:30.03 | murmur | peterS: There are two servers here: 1 the name server for the internal domain 'mephisto-tabernacle.int' -- it knows nothing about the outside world. and 2: the caching server which calls for 'mephisto-tabernacle.int' to 127.0.0.1 and all other queries to my ISPs DNS server. |
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| 04:30.32 | murmur | 1 is listening on 127... 2 is listening on 192... |
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| 04:30.55 | karrotx | that's scary sh became a zombie |
| 04:30.58 | karrotx | i've never seen that before |
| 04:32.01 | peterS | murmur: so the internal server is _only_ for localhost to use? |
| 04:32.15 | peterS | it's not for some internal network to use? |
| 04:32.59 | murmur | Correct. It's for the caching server to use. |
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| 04:33.38 | peterS | so, uh, why not just have 1 DNS server that has its own authoritative knowledge of your own domain and forwards everything else to the big wide internet? |
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| 04:34.51 | murmur | Historical reason: This server was the backup nameserver and the primary cache. The primary nameserver took a hard-crash to the hard-drive. |
| 04:35.21 | murmur | Architectural reason: It's cleaner to have the cache and the nameserver separate. |
| 04:35.45 | murmur | IMHO |
| 04:35.45 | peterS | murmur: while I don't doubt that you've found a small bug in the libc resolver library, it seems to me that the complexity of your setup has little point. that's all I'm saying |
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| 04:36.14 | murmur | Limitation reason: I'm using tinydns and dnscache (both djb daemons) |
| 04:36.27 | peterS | oh, djbdns. fun. |
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| 04:37.04 | murmur | peterS: It does what I need, and faster on a SPARC20 than BIND |
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| 04:37.56 | murmur | Not to mention a whole lot easier to manage (not counting the lack of ability to resolve much from the server) |
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| 04:38.30 | peterS | murmur: are you saying the djbdns suite does not include a server that can _both_ be authoritative for some domain, _and_ be a caching forwarder? |
| 04:38.51 | murmur | http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/separation.html |
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| 04:39.26 | murmur | peterS: Yeah, that's DJB's got it setup; in all his infinite... something. |
| 04:39.34 | peterS | right. |
| 04:42.32 | LunarCrisis | How can I change my system locale so that things use UTF-8 by default? |
| 04:42.42 | peterS | LunarCrisis: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 04:43.09 | LunarCrisis | thanks peterS |
| 04:44.04 | LunarCrisis | if I pick more than one in that dialog, which is the default? |
| 04:44.15 | LunarCrisis | oh, nevermind |
| 04:44.18 | peterS | heh |
| 04:44.54 | peterS | you can override the system default, btw, by putting 'export LANG=something_ELSE' in your startup scripts (~/.bash_profile or ~/.xsession or whatever) |
| 04:45.15 | peterS | but what you pick still has to be in the list of things the admin has chosen to be available (in the dialog you just saw there) |
| 04:45.20 | LunarCrisis | okay |
| 04:45.43 | LunarCrisis | do I have to restart X for the change to take effect? |
| 04:45.44 | peterS | use 'locale -a' to get a list of currently legal values for the LANG variable |
| 04:45.48 | peterS | yes |
| 04:46.02 | LunarCrisis | okay, thanks |
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| 04:48.46 | murmur | peterS: Nevermind... I was running nscd. Apparently *that* was the piece that was creating the shortcut. |
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| 04:49.01 | murmur | Uninstalled it, works great. |
| 04:49.04 | peterS | murmur: ahh. I forgot to ask about nscd. it is the cause of most of society's ills. |
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| 04:49.39 | LunarCrisis | hmm, I restarted X, but $LANG is still only en_CA |
| 04:50.09 | LunarCrisis | however, when I check from outside of X, it's properly en_CA.UTF-8 |
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| 04:50.26 | peterS | LunarCrisis: if you set it in your own startup script (.xsession or .xinitrc or similar), then yes, it will be whatever you set it to |
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| 04:51.30 | LunarCrisis | afaik I'm not, at least not in my .xsession |
| 04:51.43 | peterS | I wonder how many programs are actually localised to en_CA |
| 04:52.03 | jcreigh | eh? |
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| 04:53.50 | LunarCrisis | peterS, should I bother trying to figure out if LANG is being set somewhere, or should I just set it in my .xsession? |
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| 04:54.53 | peterS | LunarCrisis: oh, go ahead and check the usual suspects - .bash_profile, .profile, .bashrc, /etc/profile, /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 04:55.35 | peterS | LunarCrisis: I _think_ the 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' thing stores its default in /etc/environment, but those other files will often override that |
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| 04:56.37 | LunarCrisis | my /etc/environment has LANG=en_CA |
| 04:56.44 | gpm | hi guys. trying to decide if i should report a bug here: every time i try to enable sharing with cups (via web interface at localhost:631) it blanks cupsd.conf...what gives? |
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| 04:57.10 | LunarCrisis | wierd, outside of X it says LANG is en_CA.UTF-8 |
| 04:57.19 | peterS | LunarCrisis: delete that file, then (or take that line out of it), and run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to see if it regenerates it or what |
| 04:57.22 | jetscreamer | i find i don't have locale error msgs after i do dpkg-rec locales && dpkg-rec console-data ... |
| 04:57.26 | peterS | LunarCrisis: I can't remember, this might be something which has changed over time |
| 04:57.29 | jetscreamer | dunno if it's applicable |
| 04:57.41 | eldowan | I'm having a problem with mencoder 1.0pre8-4.1.2. Using `-oac copy ` to copy an ac3 audio stream cause the process to consume 100% of user CPU % and the process cannot be stopped using ^C. Using `-oac lavc`, The file is created properly with a re-encoded ac3 audio stream. The result is the same whether or not I add audio specific flags and options. Can someone help? |
| 04:57.50 | jetscreamer | but it generates a keymap after the console-data one |
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| 04:58.25 | jetscreamer | eldowan: #mplayer |
| 04:58.26 | LunarCrisis | peterS, it's not regenerated |
| 04:58.48 | jetscreamer | did you try what i said LunarCrisis |
| 04:58.51 | peterS | LunarCrisis: ok I'm guessing it _used_ to store the default there, now it stores it somewhere else, and the old stale value in /etc/environment was messing you up |
| 04:58.55 | eldowan | Thanks. I didn't realize that was there. |
| 04:59.03 | eldowan | join /#mplayer |
| 04:59.10 | jetscreamer | /join |
| 04:59.19 | eldowan | :) |
| 04:59.27 | LunarCrisis | jetscreamer, no, I didn't see it, what does dpkg-rec do? |
| 04:59.35 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 04:59.42 | jetscreamer | i get tired of typing it |
| 04:59.47 | jetscreamer | d-r |
| 04:59.51 | jetscreamer | henceforth! |
| 04:59.52 | LunarCrisis | peterS, lets hope so, I'll restart X again soon to see =) |
| 04:59.57 | LunarCrisis | lol ok |
| 05:00.06 | jetscreamer | d-r locales && d-r console-data |
| 05:00.22 | jetscreamer | and wah-lah a generated keymap |
| 05:00.46 | peterS | jetscreamer: dude, the word is voilà or voila if you don't like typing à |
| 05:00.54 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 05:01.00 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 05:01.05 | jetscreamer | i deed knot no |
| 05:01.17 | jetscreamer | i don't know how to type a ... that |
| 05:01.23 | jetscreamer | Ã |
| 05:01.31 | peterS | jetscreamer: you should d-r console-data so you get a keymap that can do à (: |
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| 05:01.43 | jetscreamer | it's not on my kb |
| 05:01.47 | jetscreamer | i don't know how |
| 05:01.49 | LunarCrisis | restarted X, now LANG is blank =( |
| 05:01.53 | jetscreamer | i know how in that other os |
| 05:02.00 | peterS | jetscreamer: not on mine either (: I actually wrote my own keymap specifically so I could type such things |
| 05:02.21 | peterS | LunarCrisis: yeah and does it work? do you have utf-8? |
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| 05:02.41 | peterS | LunarCrisis: the plain 'locale' command will tell you |
| 05:02.45 | Dimon08 | Hi there! |
| 05:03.02 | Dimon08 | please help! I removed apache2 occasionally and now it installs back with error |
| 05:03.03 | Dimon08 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.05 | jetscreamer | where |
| 05:03.15 | LunarCrisis | locale tells me LANG= |
| 05:03.17 | Dimon08 | but this doesnt help:( |
| 05:03.19 | LunarCrisis | with nothing after |
| 05:03.21 | jetscreamer | ok so do so? |
| 05:03.34 | peterS | LunarCrisis: it doesn't tell you about LC_TIME and LC_MESSAGES and whatnot? |
| 05:03.39 | jetscreamer | so LunarCrisis did you try d-r console-data |
| 05:03.40 | LunarCrisis | but when I su then locale, it gives me LANG=LANG=en_CA.UTF-8 |
| 05:03.50 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 05:03.52 | LunarCrisis | jetscreamer, yeah, didn't know what to pick for keymap though =( |
| 05:04.06 | peterS | jetscreamer: well, he's in X, console-data won't do much for him anyway |
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| 05:04.18 | jetscreamer | yeh hence the nm :( |
| 05:04.42 | jetscreamer | my lc_all isn't set |
| 05:04.44 | LunarCrisis | peterS, yes, everything except LANG and LC_ALL is set to "POSIX" |
| 05:04.45 | jetscreamer | the rest are |
| 05:04.46 | peterS | LunarCrisis: I'm not sure why LANG is not being set for your normal user, but I guess you could force the issue by adding LANG=en_CA.UTF-8 to /etc/environment |
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| 05:05.09 | raj | hi all |
| 05:05.14 | peterS | jetscreamer: yeah, that's normal. LC_ALL is the only one that doesn't default to the same as LANG |
| 05:05.35 | raj | is there is any way to recover the data from linux by mistake i put rm |
| 05:06.01 | LunarCrisis | okay, I've stuck it into my /etc/environment, time to restart X again |
| 05:06.33 | Dimon08 | please help! I removed apache2 occasionally and now it installs back with error |
| 05:06.34 | Dimon08 | <Dimon08> It looks like you've deleted /etc/apache2/mods-available/cgid.load, so mod_cgid cannot be enabled. To fix this, please purge and reinstall apache2-common. |
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| 05:07.06 | LunarCrisis | yay, it works now, I've got unicode |
| 05:07.24 | peterS | bien sûr |
| 05:08.03 | LunarCrisis | thanks peterS |
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| 05:08.34 | peterS | I was just about to ask nsi/narciso if there was a problem |
| 05:08.36 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 05:09.13 | jetscreamer | it was him ^^ |
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| 05:09.33 | peterS | uh, whom? |
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| 05:10.15 | gpm | hi guys. trying to decide if i should report a bug here: every time i try to enable sharing with cups (via web interface at localhost:631) it blanks cupsd.conf...what gives? |
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| 05:11.09 | dondelelcaro | gpm: which version of cups are you using? that definetly sounds like a bug... |
| 05:11.22 | gpm | dondelelcaro: on sid here |
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| 05:11.52 | gpm | 1.2.3-1 |
| 05:12.00 | dondelelcaro | !+info cupsys |
| 05:12.01 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:12.04 | dpkg | cupsys: (Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - server), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1413 kB, Installed size: 6320 kB |
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| 05:12.25 | gpm | dondelelcaro: yeah, and i don't think i saw anything matching that story on bts |
| 05:12.30 | dondelelcaro | gpm: yeah, I'd go ahead and file a bug with as much information as you can gather; including what cupsd.conf looked like before and after it got deleted |
| 05:12.44 | gpm | dondelelcaro: yeah, not deleted, just empty |
| 05:12.46 | dondelelcaro | gpm: also, see if it happens if you downgrade to one of the older verisons; you'll find it on snapshot.debian.org |
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| 05:12.54 | dondelelcaro | s/deleted/truncated/ then |
| 05:12.57 | gpm | dondelelcaro: i'll try that out |
| 05:13.00 | SpaceFrog | Hey guys, i've got a pretty serious problem happening |
| 05:13.01 | dondelelcaro | gpm: were there any errors in the syslog? |
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| 05:13.02 | SpaceFrog | With apt-get |
| 05:13.05 | SpaceFrog | I can't use it. |
| 05:13.12 | dondelelcaro | !tell SpaceFrog -about bat |
| 05:13.35 | SpaceFrog | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 05:13.36 | SpaceFrog | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.44 | gpm | dondelelcaro: no...but naturally there were some in cups' errorlog |
| 05:13.52 | gpm | dondelelcaro: nothing helpful |
| 05:14.38 | jetscreamer | you can purge kde then reinstall it maybe... |
| 05:15.14 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: you need to run apt-get update; then you should be able to install kdebase-data sarge3. |
| 05:15.20 | dondelelcaro | s/jetscreamer/SpaceFrog/ |
| 05:15.26 | dondelelcaro | !+info kdebase-data sarge |
| 05:15.28 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:15.31 | dpkg | kdebase-data: (KDE Base (shared data)), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 3613 kB, Installed size: 7592 kB |
| 05:16.05 | jetscreamer | maybe hasn't made it yet |
| 05:16.07 | dondelelcaro | err, it's sarge3 in security.debian.org |
| 05:16.13 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:17.13 | dondelelcaro | SpaceFrog: you need to have a security line in your sources.list, then run apt-get update; then you should be able to continue. |
| 05:17.29 | SpaceFrog | okay, thanks. I'll try that |
| 05:17.37 | SpaceFrog | where can i find a list of repositories? |
| 05:18.07 | karrotx | dpkg search |
| 05:18.07 | dpkg | well, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 05:18.12 | SpaceFrog | I have this in sources.list: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
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| 05:19.09 | dondelelcaro | SpaceFrog: ok, and if you run apt-get update; and apt-cache policy kdebase-data; what do you see? [use #flood or the paster bot] |
| 05:19.15 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 05:19.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 05:19.23 | dondelelcaro | SpaceFrog: the above has the list of mirrors |
| 05:20.16 | SpaceFrog | Thanks. running apt-get update now |
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| 05:23.28 | SpaceFrog | pasted in #flood |
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| 05:24.20 | SpaceFrog | Also here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3776 |
| 05:24.22 | dondelelcaro | SpaceFrog: cool; from what I'm seeing there, you've got the right version installed... |
| 05:24.28 | karrotx | [4012ea3f] ioctl(3, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS, 0xbffff96c) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device) |
| 05:24.32 | karrotx | is this a problem? |
| 05:24.43 | karrotx | trying to debug my bind9 |
| 05:24.44 | dondelelcaro | SpaceFrog: can you give me the full command that you were running and its full output? |
| 05:24.50 | karrotx | on sarge |
| 05:25.21 | SpaceFrog | dondelelcaro: The command was apt-get upgrade |
| 05:25.43 | SpaceFrog | but it happens whenever i try to install anything |
| 05:26.05 | SpaceFrog | even with the -f option |
| 05:26.25 | dondelelcaro | SpaceFrog: ok; run run apt-get -f --dry-run install; and see what it's outputing |
| 05:26.33 | SpaceFrog | okay |
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| 05:27.09 | dondelelcaro | I have to take off now, but if you give that to the channel, someone else should be able to help you |
| 05:27.34 | SpaceFrog | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3777 <-- here it is |
| 05:27.40 | SpaceFrog | Thanks for your help so far dondelecaro |
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| 05:29.03 | SpaceFrog | oops |
| 05:29.10 | SpaceFrog | got disconnected |
| 05:29.25 | SpaceFrog | Did anyone find a solution to my problem? |
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| 05:31.25 | karrotx | should debian have /sbin/resolvconf? |
| 05:31.27 | SpaceFrog | I wish i could just remove kicker and kde-base to stop this error.. I'm using Gnome |
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| 05:41.35 | simonrvn | idjit.. |
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| 05:42.11 | Tallu | I officially hate wireless. |
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| 06:02.20 | gpm | hey guys, how do i remove an email from the exim queue? |
| 06:02.23 | gpm | exim4 i should say |
| 06:02.58 | simonrvn | exim4 -Mrm msg-id [msg-id msg-id ...] |
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| 06:03.18 | simonrvn | use mailq to find it |
| 06:03.26 | gpm | thanks! |
| 06:05.16 | simonrvn | *shrug* np |
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| 06:16.19 | drbean | What's the debian equivalent of system-config-securitylevel, the Fedora UI to iptables |
| 06:16.50 | Guerin | drbean: $EDITOR |
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| 06:17.30 | Guerin | drbean: what sort of security do you want? |
| 06:18.20 | drbean | I want to open the printer services port. |
| 06:19.17 | drbean | I think perhaps by default it is closed. |
| 06:20.14 | Piet | i don't think there's a "click here and it works" package for debian, yet, nor is there for any other distro or OS |
| 06:20.28 | Guerin | drbean: there's no firewall by default, but the printer server only listens on localhost |
| 06:20.53 | drbean | I think it is iptables which determines which of the network ports in /etc/services is open. |
| 06:20.55 | Guerin | firewalls are a waste of time for protecting individual machines |
| 06:20.56 | Piet | if you want a securely setup firewall, make sure you understand iptables. |
| 06:21.15 | Guerin | iptables isn't hard, though. |
| 06:21.52 | Guerin | drbean: iptables is neither installed nor enabled unless you explicitly write and run an iptables script, or another package (like ipmasq) whcih does |
| 06:22.02 | drbean | Then my network printing problem is not an iptables one? |
| 06:22.29 | drbean | I have local printing doing OK, but not network printing with CUPS. |
| 06:22.37 | Guerin | drbean: I repeat: NOTHING is blocked by default and /etc/services has nothing to do with anything, it's just a reference. |
| 06:23.00 | Guerin | drbean: as I said, cupsys only listens on localhost by default. Configure it to listen on another number and you'll be grand |
| 06:23.10 | drbean | I am getting these messages in /var/log/cups/error.log |
| 06:23.21 | Guerin | don't paste |
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| 06:24.27 | drbean | OK. It says the network host is busy, down, or unreachable. |
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| 06:26.34 | drbean | So, Guerin said cups only listens on localhost. |
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| 06:27.06 | jeanre | hi all I am having a issue with the ati opensource driver |
| 06:27.30 | jeanre | it fails to load drm |
| 06:27.33 | drbean | The machine I'm trying to print from is another Fedora machine. |
| 06:27.38 | jeanre | So it does not all X to start |
| 06:27.56 | Guerin | drbean: you're running fedora? |
| 06:28.52 | drbean | I have the printer on a debian stable machine. |
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| 06:29.04 | drbean | From that machine, I can print locally. |
| 06:29.06 | jeanre | is there a way I could disable drm? |
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| 06:29.23 | jeanre | or install the ATI propierty drives with apt? |
| 06:29.25 | Guerin | drbean: netstat -plaunt # as root will tell you upon what address and port cups is listening |
| 06:30.06 | jeanre | any ideas guys? |
| 06:30.17 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 06:30.17 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little thermal paste, and a dozen three-legged goats. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 06:30.27 | Guerin | jeanre: if anyone knows, I'm sure they'll answer |
| 06:30.36 | jeanre | heh I dont think so |
| 06:30.40 | Guerin | i've never owned an ati graphics card in my life |
| 06:31.22 | wols_ | jeanre: fails to load drm? |
| 06:31.33 | wols_ | me neither, but: have you tried loading it with modprobe? |
| 06:32.00 | jeanre | I have done modprobe drm |
| 06:32.05 | wols_ | and? |
| 06:32.05 | jeanre | and for the ATI driver |
| 06:32.09 | jeanre | same issues |
| 06:32.24 | jeanre | it says failed to open the drm |
| 06:32.42 | Guerin | is that an extension you can disable in xorg.conf? |
| 06:32.50 | wols_ | where does it say that? X or the kernel module? |
| 06:33.02 | jeanre | when I run startx |
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| 06:33.19 | jeanre | there must be a way to kill drm |
| 06:33.27 | wols_ | what ati card and what kernel module are you loading? |
| 06:33.39 | jeanre | XPress 200m |
| 06:33.48 | wols_ | no there isn't. it needs drm to actually work. it can't find drm and thus duoesn't work |
| 06:33.59 | wols_ | and the kernel module? |
| 06:34.01 | jeanre | kernel 2.6.16-2 |
| 06:34.09 | jeanre | how do I check that? |
| 06:34.20 | wols_ | you should know what you loaded via modprobe... |
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| 06:35.01 | wols_ | the proper one is "radeon" |
| 06:35.02 | jeanre | radeon |
| 06:35.04 | wols_ | so try it again |
| 06:35.10 | jeanre | thats the one I loaded |
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| 06:35.33 | wols_ | hmm, then I dunno why it wouldn't work, if it was loaded and you checked with lsmod |
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| 06:35.42 | jeanre | is there a package for the fglrx driver? |
| 06:35.47 | wols_ | you can try the proprietary driver, but it can be a hassle |
| 06:35.51 | wols_ | there is a source package |
| 06:36.03 | wols_ | !tell Technique about ati |
| 06:36.09 | wols_ | apt-cache search fglrx |
| 06:36.50 | Technique | wols_: its not in my apt-cache |
| 06:37.07 | wols_ | then you run etch I guess |
| 06:37.22 | Technique | yup |
| 06:37.24 | Guerin | use vesa |
| 06:37.35 | Technique | vesa != 1280x800 |
| 06:37.41 | Guerin | indeed |
| 06:37.54 | Technique | so I can not use it |
| 06:38.19 | Guerin | well, strictly speaking you *can* ... |
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| 06:39.03 | Technique | ok the vesa driver does not work either |
| 06:39.12 | Guerin | stupid ATI |
| 06:39.19 | Technique | moaning about "Font" Fixed |
| 06:39.30 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:39.32 | Technique | I have 100dpi and 75dpi font packages installed |
| 06:39.32 | Guerin | that's easy |
| 06:39.35 | Guerin | !fixed |
| 06:39.35 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 06:39.35 | wols_ | you could install the debs from ati.com if you're really adventurous... |
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| 06:40.05 | Technique | wols_: I am going to use that |
| 06:40.16 | Technique | once I can actually access X and use firefox to download them |
| 06:40.18 | mhall | Are there any Scandinavians who can say how the Pirate Party faired in the election? I'm curious about it but I can't find any results online at least in English. |
| 06:40.20 | Guerin | haha |
| 06:40.40 | Guerin | mhall: there's a pirate party in Scandinaviarrr? |
| 06:40.47 | Technique | MatBoy: get google to translate |
| 06:40.49 | Technique | :P |
| 06:41.03 | mhall | Guerin: Yes. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party |
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| 06:41.19 | mhall | Hmm apparently they lost. I just thought to check Google News. |
| 06:41.19 | wols_ | mhall: my resident swede over there is asleep still. Excellent idea tho, so I will ask as soon as he's awake |
| 06:41.19 | massimo | hi to all |
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| 06:41.27 | Guerin | mhall: i bet toresbe knows all about it |
| 06:41.33 | mhall | However apparently they did force other parties to change their platforms. |
| 06:41.37 | mhall | Guerin: True. |
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| 06:42.05 | Technique | Guerin: you think that might be ati's issue aswell? |
| 06:42.26 | Guerin | Technique: well, ati cards are generally shit, so ... |
| 06:42.49 | Technique | well ATI beats the crap out of Nvidia in performance on other platforms |
| 06:42.50 | wols_ | Technique: not really |
| 06:42.50 | Technique | :) |
| 06:43.05 | Guerin | cards that donb't work are shit |
| 06:43.12 | Guerin | at least nvidia cards usually work |
| 06:43.12 | wols_ | and the ati hardware is ok, it's their software that's shit |
| 06:43.39 | Guerin | wols_: afaic, the hardware is shit as long as it remains unsupported |
| 06:43.46 | wols_ | Technique: they have about equal performance for directx which means windows only, they suck on opengl totally which means all othre platforms |
| 06:44.12 | wols_ | Guerin: no. just because YOU can't use it, doesn't make the hardware shit |
| 06:44.41 | wols_ | e.g. win-hardware is not shit due to closed drivers, it's shit cause it relies overly on the cpu for cost cutting and it doesn't work a damn since it's shoddy parts |
| 06:44.46 | mhall | wols_: AFAIC = as far as i'm concerned |
| 06:44.57 | Guerin | wols_: I *can* use it, though. If I choose to use their chosen OS. The fact that I must in order to use that hardware makes it shit. |
| 06:45.02 | mhall | wols_: so he made it clear it was *his* opinion. take off the crack mask. |
| 06:45.03 | wols_ | mhall: I know :P but the reply was as fair as I am concerned |
| 06:45.27 | massimo | i find a bug in libpcap 0.8 (etch): apply the simple bpf filter not host 172.29.10.83 using a libpcap-based instrument (tcpdump, snort, ...), the filter exclue only src host......can u try this on your computer? |
| 06:45.31 | wols_ | I can't drive Mack trucks. doesn't make them shit |
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| 06:45.57 | Guerin | wols_: you can't due to lack of training, not any technical reason preventing you from doing so. |
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| 06:46.49 | wols_ | I can't see for shit... hard to get a license for trucks here |
| 06:47.10 | Guerin | wols_: you lose. |
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| 06:47.27 | wols_ | I don't like ati cards either, but it doesn't make them shit. their software is shit on any platform tho |
| 06:48.37 | drbean | I continue to wonder if my network printing problem might be an iptables one. |
| 06:48.50 | Technique | bbl |
| 06:48.55 | Guerin | drbean: did you check the port upon which cups is listening, like I told you? |
| 06:49.14 | Guerin | s/port/ip address/ |
| 06:49.17 | drbean | I can telnet to this machine with port 22, ie ssh, but no other, eg 25, 23, |
| 06:49.25 | drbean | I don't understand netstat. |
| 06:49.36 | Guerin | drbean: if there's no service listning on a port, it appears as closed. |
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| 06:49.55 | Guerin | drbean: paste output of (as root) nrtstat -plaunt |grep 631 |
| 06:50.17 | Guerin | drbean: if it's more than two line, put it on paster |
| 06:50.22 | drbean | Where can I paste it. Its quite a few lines |
| 06:50.28 | Guerin | !paster |
| 06:50.28 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 06:50.32 | wols_ | !paster |
| 06:50.35 | wols_ | doh |
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| 06:52.45 | jan__ | hi, is there a way to skipp all diff files when doing a apt-get update? it used to fetch 1 big file with all packages, but now it takes ages to run a update |
| 06:52.55 | drbean | It is at http://channels.debian.net/paste/3778 |
| 06:53.03 | Guerin | jan__: you can change off diffs back to the old way if you want. |
| 06:53.44 | drbean | There are only local machine tcp communications. |
| 06:53.44 | Guerin | drbean: as you can see, cups is only listening on 127.0.0.1:631 - localhost |
| 06:53.59 | Guerin | drbean: edit the cups configuration to make it listen on another interface |
| 06:54.01 | jan__ | Guerin: more clues please ;) |
| 06:54.12 | Guerin | jan__: dunno how, just that it can be done |
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| 06:55.00 | wols_ | !apt-diff |
| 06:55.00 | dpkg | i heard apt-diff is ahh.. i dunno, or to make apt download pre-prepared package list gzipped diffs rather than the whole mostly identical Packages.gz every f**king day |
| 06:55.11 | Guerin | drbean: from another machine, can you telnet to port 631 on the cups box? |
| 06:55.11 | wols_ | doh |
| 06:55.30 | wols_ | !pdiff |
| 06:55.30 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 06:55.31 | Guerin | uselessest factoid evar |
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| 06:57.53 | drbean | Yes I can telnet to it on 631. |
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| 06:58.11 | drbean | That's the ipp port. |
| 06:58.11 | Guerin | drbean: then iptables is not in the way |
| 06:58.31 | Guerin | and I see that it's actually listening on 0.0.0.0:631, so I was wrong about it being limited to localhost |
| 06:58.39 | drbean | So the machine is reachable. |
| 06:58.45 | Guerin | drbean: so your issue is one of client configuration |
| 06:59.30 | Guerin | FUCKING Friends |
| 06:59.40 | Guerin | WHY the fuck do they keep playing this show? |
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| 06:59.50 | wols_ | ratings |
| 07:00.11 | wols_ | don't bitch about the show, kill more watchers of it and the problem will sort itself |
| 07:00.24 | Guerin | when I was in Laos, in this stunningl;y beautiful place called Vang Vieng, with jungle, and a river, and mountains - all anyone ever wanted to do was get stoned and watch friends reruns |
| 07:00.54 | Guerin | wols_: that's a good point, but don't make me lecture you about the fallacy of TV ratings |
| 07:00.54 | wols_ | Guerin: start with cydork |
| 07:00.59 | Guerin | cydork: prepare to die! |
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| 07:01.10 | wols_ | OK. kill Nielsen families who watch it then |
| 07:01.11 | tralala | Guerin: just press the chan+ button on the remote control and the problem will magically disappear |
| 07:01.12 | drbean | Client misconfiguration sounds like the problem, but from that other machine I get the machine is unreachable. |
| 07:01.45 | Guerin | tralala: the 'ignore it and it'll go away' method sure worked against hitler ;) |
| 07:02.01 | stew | godwin |
| 07:02.09 | Guerin | stew: you get the prize |
| 07:02.15 | tralala | Guerin: hehe, surely the friends are even worse than him |
| 07:02.15 | wols_ | it worked for most of the world, yes |
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| 07:02.34 | chiouyov | i am using jigdo to download stuff. but there ie no means to know how much remaining. or have i missed sometning? |
| 07:02.49 | Guerin | stew: i'm considering a MA thesis on the invocation of comparison to dictators as a polemic device |
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| 07:03.26 | stew | Guerin: for real? |
| 07:03.30 | Guerin | stew: yup. |
| 07:03.41 | tralala | chiouyov: jidgo reports after every 10 downloads for the number of the files remaining |
| 07:04.08 | go_od_d_ay | i am using debian 3.1r1 sarge and i want to upgrade my openswan package then what i need to do. I have downloaded the fresh deb package with new version but i am getting dependency problems. so how can i upgrade so that the following packages also upgrades that are required by openswan. |
| 07:04.27 | Guerin | for instance 'islamofascists'; GHWB comparing hussein to hitler before gulf war 1; people calling the new pope a nazi because he's german, etc. |
| 07:04.29 | stew | Guerin: it would be interesting, i suppose, if you were to become an authority on calling people nazis |
| 07:04.29 | tralala | go_od_d_ay: /msg dpkg backports |
| 07:04.34 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:04.35 | chiouyov | tralala, what about the MB left? |
| 07:04.38 | LinuxHelp | *burp* whats a good wave editing program? |
| 07:04.48 | Guerin | LinuxHelp: audavity/ardour |
| 07:04.53 | tralala | chiouyov: it doesn't have that afaik |
| 07:04.54 | Guerin | s/v/c |
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| 07:06.28 | chiouyov | tralala, pity, it means i can't even estimate when it will end. surprising, considering it is based on wget. |
| 07:06.28 | Guerin | wols_: i hope you're not serious about your response to the hitler comment. |
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| 07:07.15 | wols_ | chinese never cared about adolf. indians only indirectly mostly |
| 07:08.00 | wols_ | was appeasement stupid? yes. but still people worldwide wouldn't bother about him |
| 07:08.15 | Guerin | wols_: i suppose you could argue based on raw population, if the japanese weren't in league with him |
| 07:08.38 | LinuxHelp | Guerin, yeah I'm gonna go with Audacity thx |
| 07:08.38 | wols_ | the japanese had attacked all of asia regardless |
| 07:08.48 | stew | !godwin |
| 07:08.48 | dpkg | Adolph Hitler or Nazis have been mentioned, the plonkings may commence now. To plonk, /ignore foo all |
| 07:08.50 | wols_ | just to asshole people looked for, and found each other |
| 07:09.03 | wols_ | *two |
| 07:09.05 | chiouyov | what is there in linux for disaster recovery? if i accidently rm a directory, is there no way to recover? |
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| 07:09.11 | pusha | I'll soon find out |
| 07:09.17 | stew | chiouyov: it depends on the filesystem you are using |
| 07:09.20 | wols_ | chiouyov: backups |
| 07:09.41 | chiouyov | stew, if it is ext3? |
| 07:09.54 | stew | chiouyov: then your options are extremely limited |
| 07:10.03 | chiouyov | assuming no backup yet, there are recent stuff. |
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| 07:10.25 | Guerin | chiouyov: install testdisk; use photorec |
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| 07:10.46 | chiouyov | stew, which fs would give best chance of recovery? |
| 07:11.08 | Guerin | chiouyov: you get a flat dir full of mostly file fragments, named numerically, but it's better than nowt. |
| 07:11.27 | Guerin | chiouyov: ext2 is good for file recovery |
| 07:11.37 | stew | chiouyov: a non-journaling filesystem |
| 07:11.56 | chiouyov | Guerin, how to recover ext2 files? |
| 07:12.07 | LinuxHelp | Guerin, Audacity looks terrible :/, the fonts are really bad, is that because its gtk 1? |
| 07:12.09 | Guerin | chiouyov: there's a howto on tldp.org |
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| 07:12.15 | Guerin | LinuxHelp: yes. |
| 07:12.16 | chiouyov | ok |
| 07:12.26 | stew | chiouyov: apt-cache search ext2 undelete |
| 07:12.44 | LinuxHelp | Guerin, is there any workaround to improve the fonts, on my gnome 2.14 system? (debs testing) |
| 07:13.20 | Guerin | LinuxHelp: gtk is gtk. You can try changing the font to one which looks nicer, but you'll never get antialiasing or unicode |
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| 07:13.41 | LinuxHelp | Guerin, yeah.. but where do I change the gtk 1 font? :) |
| 07:13.48 | chiouyov | stew, ext3 adds journaling to ext2, but ext2 is better for recovery? case of you win some, you lose some? |
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| 07:13.54 | drbean | I've got the 2 machines talking to each other, but the other machine is reporting an error. |
| 07:13.59 | Guerin | !gtk fontsixze |
| 07:13.59 | choclat | hi |
| 07:14.10 | Guerin | !gtk fontsize |
| 07:14.10 | LinuxHelp | !gtk fontsize |
| 07:14.10 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and gtk-theme-switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
| 07:14.15 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:14.21 | choclat | whos got an idea to torify bitchx on freenode |
| 07:14.36 | Guerin | choclat: someone in #freenode? |
| 07:14.42 | choclat | im running tor fine on webbrowser |
| 07:14.46 | stew | chiouyov: yes, its the very nature of the journal which makes ext3 unsuitable for undelete, becuase of the journal, the filesystem actually zeros out inodes when it deletes, if you google for "ext3 undelete" you'll find more gory details. |
| 07:14.47 | choclat | thanks Guerin |
| 07:14.53 | stew | choclat: probably lots of people in #tor |
| 07:14.57 | Guerin | LinuxHelp: install gtk-theme-switch and run 'switch' |
| 07:15.05 | choclat | thanks stew been there |
| 07:15.31 | drbean | Unable to get printer status (client-error-forbidden) |
| 07:15.57 | choclat | another question is how to change exit node in tor |
| 07:16.00 | Guerin | drbean: #cups, or read the doc for explanation of that error |
| 07:16.12 | Guerin | choclat: why are you asking in #debian? |
| 07:16.14 | LinuxHelp | my $LOCALE is empty :/ |
| 07:16.24 | choclat | Guerin there is no #tor |
| 07:16.24 | LinuxHelp | Guerin, okay, I'll try that |
| 07:16.41 | Guerin | choclat: it's secret :) |
| 07:16.50 | choclat | Guerin and because im running etch |
| 07:17.36 | stew | choclat: what do you mean, there is no #tor? |
| 07:17.41 | stew | 03:17 [freenode] -!- #tor 72 0.1.1.23 (2006/07/31, source tar) | http://tor.eff.org/ | On freenode: 156 users (2006/9/12 18:11 UTC) | |
| 07:17.43 | choclat | Guerin and because you might know how, although IF it is possible then ill get there eventually but at this momnetn i really have no clue |
| 07:18.00 | chiouyov | stew, with ext2, can the loss fr 'rm -rf /' be recovered? |
| 07:18.10 | choclat | stew ??, mmmm |
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| 07:18.59 | stew | chiouyov: i dont' know, probably not. but, of course, if you keep good backups, which you should of course, do, then yes. |
| 07:19.16 | Guerin | it's not exactly something to rely on |
| 07:19.26 | Guerin | it's more a last-ditch effort |
| 07:19.51 | chiouyov | its better than nothing. |
| 07:20.18 | Guerin | you might also find that the benefits of journalling outweigh the problems |
| 07:20.20 | stew | chiouyov: if you are that worried about deleting files by mistake you might want to look at libtrash |
| 07:20.45 | Guerin | a lot hinges on whether you have redundant power or not |
| 07:20.48 | chiouyov | ok, will check. |
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| 07:21.23 | Guerin | hm, we appear to have accumulated a cat |
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| 07:21.44 | chiouyov | will formatting a disk definitely loss its data? no meaqns of recovery? |
| 07:21.45 | Guerin | he's big, black and white, very friendly, and we've decided to call him Frank. |
| 07:22.25 | LinuxHelp | Guerin, hehe now my apply button doesnt do anything in "switch" |
| 07:22.37 | Guerin | LinuxHelp: i can't help you there. |
| 07:22.54 | LinuxHelp | Guerin, yup, I'm all alone.. again |
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| 07:23.50 | LinuxHelp | Guerin, actually... it does write ~/.gtkrc |
| 07:24.05 | LinuxHelp | it just seems that .gtkrc is being ignored |
| 07:24.39 | Guerin | !tlap |
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| 07:26.27 | LinuxHelp | Guerin, got it :D |
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| 07:26.53 | LinuxHelp | Guerin, what I had to do was rename ~/.gtkrc to ~/.gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 |
| 07:26.56 | Guerin | pirate party got less than 1%, apparently |
| 07:28.19 | cakoose | For some reason, my Postfix installation isn't logging to /var/log/mail.* anymore. It seems to have stopped around a week ago. I've restarted it and I don't see anything in the log. Any idea on how to start debugging this problem? |
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| 07:30.53 | stew | chiouyov: is syslog running? |
| 07:30.57 | stew | cakoose: ^^^ |
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| 07:31.32 | chiouyov | not for me, right? |
| 07:31.35 | stew | chiouyov: no |
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| 07:31.48 | umar | can i use non-free software links in my distro free "GNU/Linux " |
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| 07:32.01 | umar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.05 | cakoose | stew: There's an "/sbin/syslog" process. The "ps" line says "Ss"; do you know what that means? |
| 07:32.20 | umar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.36 | cakoose | stew: Err... "/sbin/syslogd" |
| 07:32.45 | umar | any body answer me pls |
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| 07:33.33 | umar | hi cakoose |
| 07:33.34 | stew | cakoose: S means sleeping, waiting for something to happen |
| 07:33.44 | Guerin | umar: what?? |
| 07:33.47 | cakoose | stew: What's the lowercase "s" for? |
| 07:34.01 | umar | Guerin: can i use non-free software links in my distro free "GNU/Linux " |
| 07:34.13 | stew | cakoose: i'm not sure, man ps |
| 07:34.18 | umar | gurein: Actually i want to provide one option for the user to download non-distrubutable software from the net |
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| 07:34.31 | cakoose | stew: If I restart "syslogd", do I have to restart all the other daemons that use it? |
| 07:34.36 | umar | gurein : so i need to mention links in my code to download those softwares and install |
| 07:34.53 | stew | cakoose: no, just /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
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| 07:35.50 | cakoose | stew: Rock! I can see postfix logging output now! |
| 07:35.58 | umar | guerin ???are u there |
| 07:35.59 | stew | Paper! |
| 07:36.18 | cakoose | stew: Still have to debug my goddamn Postfix problem, but at least I have logs now. |
| 07:36.30 | stew | umar: your question is hard to understand. are you looking for legal advice? technical advice? |
| 07:36.47 | cydork | stew: scissors |
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| 07:38.28 | umar | yes legal advice |
| 07:39.44 | umar | technically i can do what i told.But legally can we do that..putting links of non free software like acrobat,jre,macrpmedia etc |
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| 07:40.42 | umar | stew::??? |
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| 07:40.59 | LinuxHelp | umar, have a look at the msttcorefonts package in debian. |
| 07:41.27 | LinuxHelp | its probably a good example of what you're trying to do |
| 07:42.32 | cydork | umar: have you heard of non-free packages in debian? any ways i dont think your question is related to this channel. |
| 07:42.35 | Guerin | umar: what you are asking is unclear |
| 07:42.39 | wols_ | umar: not in main. all the packages which do what you describe are eithre in contrib or non-free |
| 07:42.53 | umar | yes |
| 07:43.13 | Guerin | umar: you need to consult the licenses of the software you're talking about |
| 07:43.22 | umar | k |
| 07:43.45 | wols_ | Guerin: they are all non DFSG compliant as he just siad. |
| 07:44.15 | umar | linuxHelp: i saw the package...but can i include packages like that...in debian like OS |
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| 07:44.16 | Guerin | yeah, i know |
| 07:44.24 | Guerin | but what he can do with them depends on the license |
| 07:44.37 | LinuxHelp | umar, you should have noticed then, that it was in the "contrib" section |
| 07:45.18 | Guerin | for all I know it might be in breach to distribute a link to acrobat |
| 07:45.19 | roxy_ | I got a tiger report saying: NEW: --WARN-- [acc021w] Login ID identd appears to be a dormant account. |
| 07:45.19 | roxy_ | what does that mean ? |
| 07:45.19 | stew | umar: debian doesn't think so, which is why it doesn't include those packages. however is willing to distribute such packages, just not as a part of debian |
| 07:45.19 | Guerin | roxy_: if you don't know, why are you using tiger? |
| 07:46.01 | roxy_ | Guerin: I have read the securing debian book, and tried it out, but I am having trouble getting meaningfull stuff out of it. |
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| 07:46.08 | umar | which channel is appropriate for these type of legal doubts |
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| 07:47.26 | Guerin | roxy_: running a lot of security gear you don't understand is usually worse than not running any security gear at all |
| 07:47.54 | Guerin | roxy_: so I suggest implementing only the security measures you have at least a reasonable understanding of |
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| 07:48.30 | TraceGreen | hello, my xmms can not select output plugin, but i can use mpg123 to play music, does anyone know why xmms don't have any audio out plugin? I can find some *.so in /usr/lib/xmms/Output/ |
| 07:48.53 | wols_ | umar: dunno about IRC, but the best place is the debian-legal mailinglist I think |
| 07:49.08 | Guerin | no |
| 07:49.16 | stew | wols_: the debian-legal mailing list is not a good place to ask about things unrelated to debian |
| 07:49.23 | Guerin | that would be the place to ask for advice on what can/can't be included in *debian* |
| 07:49.46 | wols_ | wasn't the various nvidia, fglrx, etc things discussed there too? |
| 07:49.55 | stew | LinuxHelp: becuase debian cannot ensure that you actually pay the possibly required license fees to use the software |
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| 07:50.25 | LinuxHelp | stew :) License fees, what license fees? |
| 07:50.30 | Guerin | stew: i thought lame was in debian now? |
| 07:50.40 | wols_ | stew: then why is xmms and other mp3 players? |
| 07:50.41 | Guerin | LinuxHelp: google fraunhofer lame patent |
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| 07:51.02 | stew | LinuxHelp: Fraunhofer |
| 07:51.08 | Guerin | wols_: fraunhofer have said they won't require patent licenses for decoding implementations |
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| 07:51.19 | stew | Guerin: not afaik |
| 07:51.21 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.23 | Guerin | this information is all trivially available on teh intartwebs |
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| 07:51.33 | wols_ | and if xmms is in, then so should lame, if it's about patents |
| 07:51.36 | LinuxHelp | !intartwebs |
| 07:51.47 | Guerin | stew: that *was* definitely their positioin - it may have changed in the year or so since I last researched it |
| 07:51.50 | stew | wols_: no, the patents are for encoding, not decoding |
| 07:51.57 | Guerin | wols_: no. Read what I write. |
| 07:52.16 | Guerin | the patests exist for both, but fraunhofer say they will only enforce the encoding patents |
| 07:52.17 | wols_ | all mp3 player pay license fees, encoding or decoding IIRC |
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| 07:53.10 | chiouyov | i have installed system two drives system as raid1, but not sure if it is done correctly. what to check for? |
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| 07:53.46 | Yggdrasil | hello , can somone tell me what version of ppc kernel you would get under debian running stable ? |
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| 07:54.09 | PirateXP | Yggdrasil: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 07:54.14 | stew | Yggdrasil: 2.4.27-3 or 2.6.8-3 |
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| 07:54.25 | Yggdrasil | dar thats pretty old ? |
| 07:54.34 | stew | Yggdrasil: a couple of months |
| 07:54.35 | LinuxHelp | Yggdrasil, a few years yeah |
| 07:54.38 | Yggdrasil | haha |
| 07:54.57 | LinuxHelp | well the 2.6 anyways |
| 07:54.57 | Yggdrasil | yea hmm.. |
| 07:54.57 | chiouyov | i use a sarge installation cd to do it. there was a choice of using 2 active drives or 1 active, 1 spare. i chose the latter. is that right? |
| 07:55.27 | dondelelcaro | chiouyov: they both should be active, actually. |
| 07:55.28 | Yggdrasil | just having a hard time getting a usb controller up under 2.6.14 guesse i shouldnt complain |
| 07:56.04 | dondelelcaro | Yggdrasil: most of the ppc machines are supported in stable |
| 07:56.24 | dondelelcaro | Yggdrasil: but you may have better luck with the etch d-i's if it's some really wierd hardware. |
| 07:56.38 | Yggdrasil | yea its a pretty strange card.. |
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| 07:56.56 | chiouyov | dondelelcaro, both should be active, eh? so, i was wrong fr the very beginning. if done right, /proc/partitions should show md0 and md1, right? |
| 07:56.58 | LinuxHelp | Yggdrasil, etch comes highly recommended |
| 07:57.03 | Yggdrasil | hmmm |
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| 07:57.20 | Yggdrasil | its a strange card and really old mac |
| 07:57.21 | Yggdrasil | haha |
| 07:57.41 | dondelelcaro | Yggdrasil: oh, an add in card... |
| 07:57.55 | dondelelcaro | yeah, that's pretty much a crap shoot. |
| 07:58.17 | dondelelcaro | chiouyov: depends; if you just have one raid partition, then you'd just have md0; if you have two, then you'll have md0 and md1. |
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| 07:58.49 | dondelelcaro | Yggdrasil: etch does have 2.6.17 iirc, so it may work better... |
| 07:58.53 | LinuxHelp | Yggdrasil, hmm well drivers for such things are *usually* only developmentally active for about a year or so, so if your mac is older than a year before 2.6.14 was released, then a newer kernel probably wouldnt help |
| 07:59.01 | dondelelcaro | Yggdrasil: you can also use the etch d-i disks to install stable |
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| 07:59.14 | CodeMonkey | ?/bin/sh: gcc-4.0: command not found |
| 07:59.16 | CodeMonkey | heh |
| 07:59.22 | dondelelcaro | (assuming this is a newworld mac; oldworlds are slightly more difficult.) |
| 07:59.30 | Yggdrasil | it was my brilliant idea, to take on this project: use the biggest piece of junk i could find. and make something really usefull out of it.. anyone can make a server out of something nice. so i got this oldstamax 166. and jsut had basic stuff apache , samba, dhcp ,ftp but now im trying to get usb working on it so i can add a usb hd and a usb printer. |
| 07:59.31 | dondelelcaro | !b-e CodeMonkey |
| 07:59.31 | dpkg | CodeMonkey: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 07:59.42 | CodeMonkey | I have |
| 07:59.58 | dondelelcaro | CodeMonkey: then shoot whatever code is using gcc-4.0 instead of gcc... |
| 08:00.00 | stew | CodeMonkey: what version of debian are you running? |
| 08:00.07 | CodeMonkey | etch |
| 08:00.34 | dondelelcaro | (or CC=${CC:gcc}; ${CC} ... if it must...) |
| 08:00.36 | stew | CodeMonkey: apt-get install gcc-4.0 |
| 08:00.37 | LinuxHelp | cd /usr/bin; sudo ln -s gcc gcc-4.0 ? |
| 08:00.45 | CodeMonkey | stew: ati drivers |
| 08:01.16 | Yggdrasil | starmax 3000/166 or something .. and i got this really strange card. its got usb,fireiwire,and ethernet all on one pci card. not even sure if it would be supported uner x86 i should proboly steer away from that and find a good usb card. |
| 08:01.21 | Yggdrasil | thqanks for the info guys |
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| 08:01.50 | dondelelcaro | Yggdrasil: ah... yeah, that'd be an oldworld, iirc. anyway, good luck with that |
| 08:02.08 | enouf | isn't "command not found" sometimes related to permissions issues? |
| 08:02.09 | Yggdrasil | hehehe |
| 08:02.24 | CodeMonkey | damn ati |
| 08:02.41 | chiouyov | dondelelcaro, in syslog, i have : raid1: raid set md0 active with 1 outr of 1 mirrors. |
| 08:03.06 | dondelelcaro | enouf: nah |
| 08:03.25 | roxy_ | Guerin: and how I am supposed to get an understanding of something if I am not trying it out ? |
| 08:03.29 | dondelelcaro | enouf: sh: Permission Denied; is what you get when that's the case. |
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| 08:04.39 | g333k | why when I try to open the test.php file firefox ask me to download the file instead opening it? |
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| 08:05.02 | enouf | dondelelcaro: example : doing as Username 'fdisk -l /dev/hdc' I get this bash: fdisk: command not found |
| 08:05.08 | PirateXP | g333k: because your server is misconfigured |
| 08:05.27 | g333k | PirateXP, you mean the httpd.conf file? |
| 08:05.41 | Yggdrasil | dondelclaro, i think i found the problem.. i didnt realize thatid have to update the bootloader manualy.. outside of linux to load the updated kernels |
| 08:05.44 | enouf | but using sudo , or su, or root - no problem |
| 08:05.45 | cydork | enouf: that's because fdisk in sbin |
| 08:05.48 | dondelelcaro | enouf: that's because /usr/sbin/ isn't in your path |
| 08:05.57 | dondelelcaro | (or /sbin; never remember where that one is) |
| 08:06.05 | Yggdrasil | its stuck on 2.6.12 |
| 08:06.05 | PirateXP | g333k: unless your httpd binary reads config information directly from your brain.... |
| 08:06.13 | Yggdrasil | maybe 2.6.15 would work a bit better |
| 08:06.24 | enouf | dondelelcaro: any syslog file say in /var/log as well as many other places when run as $User |
| 08:06.36 | g333k | PirateXP, dont understand |
| 08:06.58 | dondelelcaro | enouf: EPARSE |
| 08:07.07 | Guerin | roxy_: read before you install |
| 08:07.09 | enouf | dondelelcaro: whoops -- you're correct -- permission denied for those |
| 08:07.16 | PirateXP | g333k: your web server is misconfigured. you need to configure it correctly. this is traditionally done by editting a configuration file. |
| 08:07.18 | Guerin | roxy_: and play with things before you deploy them in a serious environment |
| 08:08.13 | stew | g333k: is this apache 1 or 2? |
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| 08:08.43 | g333k | stew, 2 |
| 08:09.14 | enouf | cydork : so I guess - 'command not found' is (can be) somewhat indicative of running a binary/exe? as opposed to cat /var/log/kern.log which gives a 'permission denied' |
| 08:09.37 | stew | g333k: a2enmod php4 (or php5) (or maybe its php) |
| 08:09.59 | cydork | enouf: command not found means it's not in your path. |
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| 08:10.12 | g333k | stew, php5 |
| 08:10.35 | cydork | enouf: permission denied means you dont have the permissions to do whatever you are doing. |
| 08:10.49 | cydork | enouf: echo $PATH for normal user and root |
| 08:10.51 | enouf | cydork: ok .. great - that's a great little conceptual circle you've closed for me :-) thanks |
| 08:11.25 | Yggdrasil | dum question, how can i find out which kernel im running ? |
| 08:11.32 | dondelelcaro | Yggdrasil: uname -a |
| 08:11.38 | dondelelcaro | (or -r if you just what the revision) |
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| 08:11.48 | Yggdrasil | thank you |
| 08:12.07 | RobHu | When does sarge get replaced? What will it be replaced by? I ask because I have an internal app that doesnt work with MySQL 5 and I know that MySQL 5 is not in testing anymore. |
| 08:12.13 | stew | or uname -s if you just can't remember if its linux or netbsd :) |
| 08:12.45 | wols_ | RobHu: december is the plan. etch |
| 08:12.54 | stew | RobHu: mysql5 is in testing. Etch is currently testing and will replace sarge. currently scheduled for december (/msg dpkg wwer) |
| 08:12.54 | RobHu | wols_: OK, thankyou |
| 08:13.21 | RobHu | stew: So you're saying that when etch becomes stable there will be no apt support for mysql4 anymore? |
| 08:13.33 | PirateXP | RobHu: sarge is released, it will never be replaced. mysql 5 _is_ in testing. |
| 08:13.38 | stew | RobHu: that is correct. there will be neither 4.0 nor 4.1, only 5.0 |
| 08:13.43 | dondelelcaro | RobHu: you'll still be able to install it using oldstable at that point |
| 08:13.51 | RobHu | PirateXP: Right |
| 08:14.02 | RobHu | So I could just continue using sarge? What about security updates? |
| 08:14.09 | dondelelcaro | RobHu: there just will not be security fixes for it past a certain point (generally 6-12 months after release) |
| 08:14.22 | Yggdrasil | dondelclaro, i forgot how this worked the linux kernel is actualy stored in the mac os 9.1 system folder and mac os boots up and loads it off the hfs (mac) partition. then moutns the ext3 / partition .. kind of scary /me crosses fingers |
| 08:14.24 | enouf | cydork: so conceptually , and theoretically - If I happen to do something stupid , like add /usr/sbin to my $PATH, then trying to run 'fdisk' as a my username, without privileged permissions .. would not error then? |
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| 08:14.52 | dondelelcaro | enouf: it'll run, because fdisk is 755; it just may not be able to do anything useful. |
| 08:15.17 | cydork | enouf: like dondelelcaro said |
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| 08:15.29 | enouf | dondelelcaro: thanks -- more studying about those permission numbers for me folks -- thanks for the pointers |
| 08:15.37 | dondelelcaro | !permissions |
| 08:15.37 | dpkg | i heard permissions is multiple acts of permitting, or http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions |
| 08:15.39 | enouf | cydork: thank you :-) |
| 08:15.43 | dondelelcaro | gah; that's useless |
| 08:17.08 | cydork | enouf: np :) |
| 08:17.10 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, permissions is <reply> For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' |
| 08:17.10 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 08:17.52 | stew | dondelelcaro: greycat's page (or the wikifaq copy of it) is certainly not a useless page |
| 08:18.13 | dondelelcaro | stew: ah, cool.. I'll add that one back. |
| 08:18.39 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: permissions =~ s#Permissions'#Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions# |
| 08:18.39 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
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| 08:18.57 | dondelelcaro | stew: I just thought that factoid refered to the coreutils File Permissions page... and it doesn't. |
| 08:19.00 | enouf | dondelelcaro: I've got a few bookmarked links I could read -- perhaps you may think they're ok for the bot -- lessee here now .. here's one http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html |
| 08:19.50 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: permissions =~ s#/Permissions#/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html# |
| 08:19.50 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 08:22.55 | enouf | dondelelcaro: here's another couple "Giving power to the user in front of the screen" http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/308 but it's not very comprehensive and this "How Debian controls hardware access" http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/109 |
| 08:24.02 | dondelelcaro | enouf: feel free to add the good ones yourself, if you want |
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| 08:25.29 | enouf | dondelelcaro: ok - thanks ... I always forget how to actually do the syntax, whenever it comes time to add to the bot(s) ... hehe - but I'll manage, with all the help around :-) |
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| 08:25.52 | cydork | !tell enouf about help |
| 08:26.13 | cydork | :) |
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| 08:26.44 | enouf | cydork : you dork :-p |
| 08:27.16 | enouf | me? I'm a b0z0geek -- hehe |
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| 08:31.39 | deadcat | lsusb shows absolutely nothing. my usbmouse and all use devices are off. what do i need? usbcore is loaded |
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| 08:32.59 | cydork | deadcat: cat /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 08:33.56 | deadcat | cydork: the dir is empty |
| 08:34.41 | cydork | deadcat: i thought so try mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb |
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| 08:35.38 | deadcat | cydork: still nothing |
| 08:37.02 | cydork | deadcat: lsmod |grep hci_hcd |
| 08:37.12 | deadcat | shit. ya. uhci-hcd |
| 08:37.18 | enouf | cydork : can't find the correct '/msg dpkg help' for syntax on editing the bot - can you add these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Permissions - check them out first if you like, but they seem quite informative |
| 08:37.18 | deadcat | i have uhci in /etc/modules |
| 08:38.06 | cydork | deadcat: modprobe ehci-hcd |
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| 08:38.53 | deadcat | cydork: whats the diff? i have uhci-hcd loaded and it works. |
| 08:39.10 | deadcat | cydork: u user? e? o? |
| 08:39.20 | Guerin | deadcat: fgi |
| 08:39.27 | deadcat | !fgi |
| 08:39.27 | dpkg | from memory, fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ and see http://www.moule.org/images/image-medium.html#current=bart-704x528.jpg |
| 08:39.29 | enouf | deadcat: got usb-storage loaded ? (though I'm uncertain if it's necessary for just /input devices) modprobe usb-storage |
| 08:40.01 | cydork | deadcat: check the modinfo on both of them |
| 08:40.02 | deadcat | fuckingdontwannagoogleit.com |
| 08:40.08 | deadcat | cydork: k |
| 08:40.26 | deadcat | cydork: ah. enhanced |
| 08:40.44 | deadcat | cydork: it works. i guess they all the same. |
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| 08:44.19 | Error_X | Is there a way to mount ISO files? |
| 08:44.29 | Guerin | deadcat: fuckingbehappytostayadroolingmoronthen |
| 08:44.35 | Guerin | Error_X: -o loop |
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| 08:46.53 | pngwn | Error_X, /msg dpkg mount iso |
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| 08:50.15 | usn_work | morning all |
| 08:51.08 | Yggdrasil | anyone here versed with old world mac and bootx operation ? just trying to upgrade my kernel |
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| 08:51.24 | enouf | Guerin: I'll second that sentiment to deadcat .. I understand FINALLY how the octal representation for file perm work (the 3 digit octal notation anyway) from reading the URL to wikipedia I just posted |
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| 08:52.18 | jooopyme_ | Hi, How do I install unstable package? |
| 08:52.28 | azeem | jooopyme_: if you have to ask, you shouldn't |
| 08:52.37 | dondelelcaro | jooopyme_: in general, you shouldn't; consider using packages which have migrated to testing. |
| 08:52.39 | jooopyme_ | azeem: why? |
| 08:52.58 | cydork | jooopyme_: the reason is in the name :) |
| 08:53.10 | dondelelcaro | jooopyme_: because they're broken surprisingly often, and mixing unstable with other suites is not for the faint of heart |
| 08:53.26 | jooopyme_ | dondelelcaro: Hehe |
| 08:53.59 | jooopyme_ | dondelelcaro: Is there a way in aptitude to do it? |
| 08:54.22 | dondelelcaro | jooopyme_: you can do it using aptitude, apt-get, synaptic, or whatever... but we really don't recommend it |
| 08:54.35 | cydork | jooopyme_: are you running stable? |
| 08:54.48 | dondelelcaro | jooopyme_: man sources.list; and man apt-preferences; if you really must know. Use backports.org if you're using stable. |
| 08:55.24 | azeem | jooopyme_: maybe we could propose superior solutions if you tell us which software you'd need out of unstable |
| 08:55.36 | azeem | unless you want unstable in general, in which case this is the wrong channel |
| 08:55.41 | jooopyme_ | azeem: mono |
| 08:56.09 | jooopyme_ | azeem: mono 1.1.17.1-3 |
| 08:56.15 | azeem | why that version? |
| 08:56.33 | jooopyme_ | azeem: its mono 2 |
| 08:56.49 | azeem | are you developing for mono 2? |
| 08:56.50 | jooopyme_ | azeem: need it for development |
| 08:56.52 | azeem | ok |
| 08:56.56 | Guerin | haha |
| 08:57.00 | azeem | that's a valid reason then |
| 08:57.04 | Guerin | the build it yourself |
| 08:57.06 | jooopyme_ | heh |
| 08:57.10 | jooopyme_ | hehe |
| 08:57.16 | Guerin | at least then you can control your environment |
| 08:57.25 | stew | jooopyme_: what version does "dpkg -l libc6" report? |
| 08:57.35 | Guerin | jooopyme_: there's a tool called checkinstall which will more or less build it for you, and make .deb packages |
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| 08:57.52 | azeem | there's also simple sid backport |
| 08:57.54 | jooopyme_ | stew: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-4 |
| 08:57.59 | azeem | that's not unstable |
| 08:58.01 | azeem | eh, stable |
| 08:58.22 | cydork | jooopyme_: that's etch you can try pinning |
| 08:58.33 | azeem | jooopyme_: is /etc/apt/sources.list saying "testing/etch" or "sid/unstable"? |
| 08:58.36 | stew | jooopyme_: 1.1.13 is not new enough? |
| 08:58.44 | jooopyme_ | cydork: change it from ache to unstable? |
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| 08:58.47 | Guerin | the problem with pinning is that things are liakely to stop working at any point |
| 08:59.00 | jooopyme_ | stew: as I know, nop |
| 08:59.03 | Guerin | the best way here is to build to your environment, and rebuild if you need to |
| 08:59.20 | cydork | Guerin: he can try simple sid backport |
| 08:59.26 | jooopyme_ | Guerin: Thats seems resonable |
| 08:59.29 | enouf | dpkg : no, permissions is <reply> For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Permissions |
| 08:59.29 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
| 08:59.29 | cydork | !tell jooopyme_ about simple sid backport |
| 08:59.30 | Guerin | cydork: that qualifies as building |
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| 09:00.23 | azeem | mono isn't trivial to build AIUI |
| 09:00.31 | jooopyme_ | azeem: etch main |
| 09:00.41 | nirvaam | clear |
| 09:00.45 | Guerin | azeem: that sounds typical |
| 09:00.46 | azeem | jooopyme_: ok |
| 09:00.47 | jooopyme_ | azeem: I came from gentoo |
| 09:00.49 | jooopyme_ | hehe |
| 09:00.50 | azeem | Guerin: "that"? |
| 09:01.07 | streuner | there isn't a backport of "mono"? |
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| 09:01.10 | azeem | jooopyme_: apparently a mono backport for 1.1.17 will be available soon |
| 09:01.15 | Guerin | azeem: given the developers |
| 09:01.34 | jooopyme_ | I had problem creating gentoo small enough with crosscompilation, debian fixed this corner ;) |
| 09:02.38 | azeem | Guerin: you mean mono upstream? |
| 09:02.51 | stew | it looks like mono should move to testing very soon: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=mono |
| 09:02.55 | azeem | jooopyme_: sorry, that was a misinformation, I don't know when 1.1.17 will hit backports |
| 09:03.07 | azeem | but anyway, 1.1.17 should hit testing soon |
| 09:03.09 | Guerin | azeem: de Icaza et al. |
| 09:03.12 | stew | he doesn't want a sarge backport anyway |
| 09:03.14 | azeem | maybe I should stop IRCing when hung over |
| 09:03.25 | azeem | Guerin: exceptionally bright guys they are |
| 09:03.36 | Guerin | who a former reg here termed 'The Gnome King' |
| 09:03.36 | azeem | stew: yeah, I got that now :) |
| 09:03.43 | Guerin | azeem: oh, absolutely |
| 09:03.47 | azeem | Guerin: that is Havoc |
| 09:04.00 | Guerin | azeem: they just have particular ways and means. Like being responsible for gnome and evolution. |
| 09:04.16 | jooopyme_ | guys tnx, I will look further and come back tnx |
| 09:04.19 | azeem | Guerin: oh, you're trolling. Didn't catch that at first, sorry |
| 09:04.19 | Guerin | azeem: havoc was the gnome king too |
| 09:04.27 | Guerin | azeem: oh, i thought it was obvious |
| 09:04.30 | azeem | jooopyme_: wait a few days |
| 09:04.54 | azeem | Guerin: as I said, I'm a bit hung over :) |
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| 09:05.28 | streuner | azeem: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mono.html |
| 09:05.33 | stew | azeem: hung over is probably okay on talk like a pirate day |
| 09:05.37 | Guerin | azeem: heh. I'm coming off 25,000 words of academic writing in eight days. |
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| 09:06.08 | azeem | stew: is that once every month? |
| 09:06.12 | jooopyme_ | azeem: How do you know? |
| 09:06.14 | stew | azeem: once a year |
| 09:06.19 | azeem | 10:53 < ajmitch> should get to testing soon |
| 09:06.29 | azeem | stew: oh my, time flies |
| 09:06.37 | deadcat | Guerin: calm the fuck down dude. |
| 09:06.49 | Guerin | deadcat: be the fuck less stupid dude. |
| 09:07.12 | deadcat | not everyone likes to use google |
| 09:07.41 | deadcat | me |
| 09:07.42 | Guerin | deadcat: not everyone likes to abjure from panning people who refuse to help themselves. |
| 09:07.50 | enouf | cydork : anyone: someone wanna throw me a pony please? |
| 09:07.57 | stew | maybe you two should just drop it |
| 09:08.04 | azeem | what is this about anyway? |
| 09:08.06 | Guerin | stew: subtle. |
| 09:08.09 | stew | s/maybe// |
| 09:08.14 | Guerin | azeem: i told deadcat to fgi. |
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| 09:08.19 | deadcat | azeem: hes bitching about me not using google. |
| 09:08.22 | cydork | enouf: why? :) |
| 09:08.27 | azeem | oh well |
| 09:08.48 | enouf | cydork : well for my dpkg update skills ofcourse :-) |
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| 09:09.48 | cydork | !pony enouf |
| 09:09.57 | Guerin | haha |
| 09:10.02 | cydork | it's free any way :) |
| 09:10.06 | enouf | cydork: dpkg thank you very much |
| 09:10.16 | enouf | dpkg : thank you very much |
| 09:10.17 | dpkg | enouf: no worries |
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| 09:10.32 | streuner | jooopyme_: build it yourself (sarge) |
| 09:10.38 | Guerin | !factinfo cmd: pony (*.?) |
| 09:10.38 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as cmd: pony (*.?), Guerin |
| 09:10.43 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:10.47 | enouf | hehee |
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| 09:13.10 | ma3x | is there a software to upload download images to your mobile phone (samsung) via infrared or usb? |
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| 09:13.32 | Guerin | ma3x: probably not. |
| 09:13.45 | ma3x | or let's say I want to transfer 1 page of text to my phone |
| 09:13.46 | azeem | ma3x: not sure about samsung, does it do obex? |
| 09:13.47 | Guerin | \mthere's a program which supports a few phones, but not many. |
| 09:13.54 | azeem | ma3x: obexftp, maybe |
| 09:13.55 | ma3x | how can I possible do that, except for typing all the text like crazy? |
| 09:14.03 | Guerin | I forget the name of it, probably aptitude search phone |
| 09:14.10 | Guerin | i also know it's written in python |
| 09:14.39 | enouf | Need some help compiling cdrkit folks -- here's the prerequisite info Linux version 2.6.16-2-686 (Debian 2.6.16-17) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.4 20060630 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-4)) #1 Sat Jul 15 21:59:21 UTC 2006 -- ...more |
| 09:14.40 | Anjo_da_Morte | obexftp should work |
| 09:14.45 | Anjo_da_Morte | it supprts irda |
| 09:15.01 | ma3x | yes, let's try it out |
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| 09:16.54 | enouf | errors out at 43% at first here http://pastebin.ca/175647 .. installing libcap-dev allowed 'make' to get to 53% ...then these errors http://pastebin.ca/175651 any clues? |
| 09:18.09 | cydork | enouf: error: sys/capability.h: No such file or directory |
| 09:18.41 | cydork | enouf: oh ok |
| 09:18.43 | azeem | cydork: linux-kernel-headers? |
| 09:18.51 | enouf | I'm connected to #cdrkit (which was previously #debburn) both on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) - but it's sparse - yet very knowlegeable, sparse right now |
| 09:19.08 | azeem | enouf: isn't there a .deb? |
| 09:19.14 | ma3x | usb 2-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB2 |
| 09:19.22 | ma3x | how do I connect to that now? |
| 09:19.23 | enouf | cydork: azeem : I have headers installed but not source or anything |
| 09:19.41 | azeem | ma3x: that's not a Samsung phone |
| 09:19.44 | enouf | azeem: its actually a tar.gz |
| 09:19.45 | ma3x | I can't seem to understand obexftp, do I do 'obexftp -g file'? |
| 09:19.55 | ma3x | azeem, it's samsung phone via usb connector |
| 09:20.05 | ma3x | usbcore: registered new driver cdc_acm |
| 09:20.06 | ma3x | drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.c: v0.25:USB Abstract Control Model driver for USB modems and ISDN adapters |
| 09:20.06 | azeem | ma3x: does it run PalmOSß |
| 09:20.08 | enouf | azeem: with a make (Cmake) install procedure |
| 09:20.09 | azeem | ma3x: does it run PalmOS? |
| 09:20.19 | ma3x | azeem, I don't think so |
| 09:20.26 | azeem | enouf: don't they have a .deb? |
| 09:20.41 | azeem | ma3x: strange |
| 09:20.46 | azeem | ma3x: is it a smartphone? |
| 09:20.57 | roxy_ | there is a turkish/swiss guy often logged in, but I can't remember his nick. Would somone knows the nick ? |
| 09:21.02 | ma3x | no idea what smartphone is, it's samsung z107 |
| 09:21.06 | azeem | roxy_: TARZEAU |
| 09:21.11 | roxy_ | azeem: thanks |
| 09:21.20 | azeem | ma3x: is it an organizer etc. as well? |
| 09:21.22 | roxy_ | TARZEAU: are you around ? |
| 09:21.27 | azeem | oh well |
| 09:21.29 | azeem | ma3x: no idea |
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| 09:22.02 | enouf | azeem: not that I'm aware of -- and I just d/led yesterday the current - I'll ask again over in #cdrkit, but I would've thought they told me that info .. no? I'm trying to isolate it from other installed versions (the orig cdrecord pkg) if that matters |
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| 09:22.22 | azeem | enouf: does it have a debian/ dir? |
| 09:22.27 | ma3x | azeem, it has calendar, and a lot of stuff, hyes |
| 09:22.30 | tralala | ma3x: you should instruct your phone communication software to use ttyUSB2 to connect to the phone |
| 09:22.32 | mackss | can someone tell me how to find otu what version of mysql i have installed? |
| 09:22.59 | tralala | mackss: aptitude search ~imysql |
| 09:23.02 | streuner | mackss: dpkg -l | grep mysql? |
| 09:23.03 | sep | mysql --version or dpkg -la | grep mysql |
| 09:23.06 | cahoot | mackss: or mysql -V |
| 09:23.16 | cydork | enouf: the linking is not done properly i guess. check if you have libcap |
| 09:23.30 | ma3x | tralala, and can I mount that somehow to a directory? |
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| 09:24.36 | cydork | enouf: in etch it's libcap1 i guess |
| 09:24.54 | tralala | ma3x: no, this is most likely a serial port over the usb so you'll need communication software that works over a serial port. minicom is an example of such software but it's not phone specific (i.e. you'll have to type the phone commands and parse the output yourself) |
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| 09:25.24 | enouf | azeem: not that I'm aware of ... cydork ...thanks ...ahhh I have libcap-dev , but not the others dpkg -l libcap-dev | tail -1 |
| 09:25.24 | enouf | ii libcap-dev 1.10-14 development libraries and header files for libcap |
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| 09:26.12 | enouf | apt-cache search shows libcap1 and libcap-bin ..should I install both ? |
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| 09:26.24 | cydork | enouf: nope just libcap1 |
| 09:26.38 | enouf | cydork: okie thanks |
| 09:26.41 | azeem | enouf: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/debburn/nonameyet/trunk/debian/?rev=0&sc=0 |
| 09:26.53 | ma3x | usb 2-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB3 |
| 09:27.37 | Piet | could some one help me confirm a possible firefox bug, please? On view-source:http://packages.vergenet.net/sarge-backports/linux-2.6/Sources.gz search for 'power' (without quotes) |
| 09:27.40 | tralala | ma3x: try scmxx |
| 09:27.40 | enouf | azeem: thanks -- and Ganeef just responded over there as well ... wow .. ok , so I need libcap1 - and should I just dpkg -i the svn then ? |
| 09:27.48 | Piet | you should not see the actual characters if the bug occurs for you, too |
| 09:27.49 | azeem | eh, no |
| 09:27.52 | azeem | enouf: check out svn |
| 09:28.53 | azeem | enouf: btw, cdrkit is in unstable |
| 09:28.53 | enouf | azeem: got it -- thank you - i'm over there now , since help is available |
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| 09:29.06 | enouf | azeem: I'm running sid ...thanks |
| 09:29.15 | azeem | apt-get install cdrecord |
| 09:29.22 | azeem | and you'll get the cdrkit fork |
| 09:29.54 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know how i can draw a line in blender? |
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| 09:30.34 | mackss | thanks guys |
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| 09:30.45 | tralala | ma3x: err, that's siemens, for samsung try p3nfs |
| 09:31.40 | ma3x | tralala, it is perfectly accessible with scmxx. now I hope I can use it easly, i.e. store information, or send sms or whatever |
| 09:31.57 | azeem | ma3x: that is cool |
| 09:32.05 | azeem | didn't know scmxx works with samsung phones |
| 09:32.35 | azeem | ma3x: can you paste the output of scmxx -i <other options you need>? |
| 09:33.02 | ma3x | yes, hold on |
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| 09:33.21 | Ertan | s.a |
| 09:33.48 | Yggdrasil | whats the differnce beetweeng initrd.img and the liniux kernle? |
| 09:34.04 | azeem | the former is a init ramdisk, the latter is a linux kernel |
| 09:34.19 | azeem | init ramdisks contain kernel modules and possibly stuff like firmware etc |
| 09:34.38 | Yggdrasil | hmm. |
| 09:34.41 | Yggdrasil | intesting |
| 09:34.41 | ma3x | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3779 |
| 09:35.01 | Yggdrasil | im trying to get my mac to bot a new kernel and im not finding much documentation .. |
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| 09:35.20 | Yggdrasil | it boots but its an older kernel |
| 09:35.25 | azeem | ma3x: hrm, no binary file or phonebooks available |
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| 09:36.43 | LinuxHelp | I have OSS, how do I check which process is using my sound card? |
| 09:37.00 | streuner | LinuxHelp: fuser |
| 09:37.00 | PirateXP | LinuxHelp: fuser or lsof |
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| 09:38.03 | LinuxHelp | fuser /dev/mixer? |
| 09:38.11 | cahoot | dsp |
| 09:38.23 | Piet | could some one using firefox help me confirm a possible bug, please? On view-source:http://packages.vergenet.net/sarge-backports/linux-2.6/Sources.gz search for 'power' (without quotes).you should not see the actual characters if the bug occurs on your system. i'm asking this here as i'm assuming it's a debian specific issue btw. |
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| 09:38.32 | ma3x | azeem, yeah |
| 09:38.43 | LinuxHelp | cahoot, na "fuser /dev/dsp" just hangs my terminal |
| 09:39.05 | LinuxHelp | pretty much fuser anything hangs my terminal |
| 09:39.07 | topa_ | how do I make my apps use the libgtk2.0-0-dbg package instead of the libgtk2.0 one ? |
| 09:39.24 | cahoot | LinuxHelp: try fuser -v /dev/dsp |
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| 09:39.38 | topa_ | basically when I run BTK apps I need debugging flags available on gdb |
| 09:39.44 | Yggdrasil | azeem .. i copied the initrd. and kernel image over .. before they were a turqouse color and now they are .just the grey color whats the significnce ? |
| 09:39.48 | topa_ | *GTK |
| 09:40.16 | LinuxHelp | :O lsof /dev/dsp also hangs my terminal |
| 09:40.26 | LinuxHelp | actaully, no, ctrl-c |
| 09:40.30 | LinuxHelp | still works for lsof |
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| 09:41.21 | LinuxHelp | lsof | grep /dev/dsp firefox-b 2660 misha 56u CHR 14,3 33555777 /dev/dsp0 |
| 09:41.48 | LinuxHelp | and there we have out culprit |
| 09:41.53 | LinuxHelp | *our |
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| 09:43.18 | TARZEAU | roxy_: no, but 8 hours later |
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| 09:44.05 | device_ | hi all |
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| 09:44.10 | topa_ | what happened to the #debian-gnome channel ? |
| 09:44.20 | topa_ | I remmember there existed one |
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| 09:44.38 | cydork | topa_: try #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
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| 09:45.55 | ma3x | TARZEAU, can you help me out/ |
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| 09:46.14 | ma3x | TARZEAU, i want to store text file to my samsung z107, but how? |
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| 09:46.40 | ma3x | i have usb and irda connection. right now it's attached to /dev/ttyUSB2, but I don't know what to do on? should I mount that device or ? |
| 09:47.25 | topa_ | cydork: got it! |
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| 09:51.57 | roxy_ | TARZEAU: I asked you about when we choose between redhat/debian in the lpi certification. I passed it on monday. My book was wrong. It is Debian AND redhat based system that has to be known (question on both rpm and dpkg options) |
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| 09:54.08 | fourat | i discovered a wifi network at home, its uncrypted but i cant connect to it, how can i hack into it ? |
| 09:54.36 | cydork | fourat: that's not legal. |
| 09:54.37 | azeem | fourat: it's probably using VPN |
| 09:54.47 | cydork | fourat: check what iwlist scan says |
| 09:54.48 | cydork | :P |
| 09:54.56 | fourat | azeem, maybe mac address filtering |
| 09:55.05 | fourat | cydork, not illegal |
| 09:55.05 | azeem | or that |
| 09:55.10 | fourat | no legal text on that |
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| 09:55.59 | Yggdrasil | what is etch and what is sid ? |
| 09:56.05 | fourat | cydork, iwlist scan will only detect the network, enryption ... |
| 09:56.06 | azeem | etch is testing, sid is unstable |
| 09:56.11 | Yggdrasil | tahnks |
| 09:56.14 | roxy_ | cydork: I've done it for fun. The stuff I learned studying for it was the most important. The certification itself is not that usefull (imho) |
| 09:56.18 | azeem | Yggdrasil: why do you mess around with kernels and initrds? |
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| 09:56.54 | cydork | fourat: i wanted so no encryptioned right. so try iwconfig |
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| 09:58.25 | fourat | cydork, it catches the ap, but no ip is given (dhcp) tryed most c classes ips in static mode, no result |
| 09:58.26 | cydork | roxy_: oh ok.. i hate giving exams, they want you to remember stupid things which can be done with man :) |
| 09:58.41 | wdamn | Hi, how do I configure screen resolution in xorg? if I run reconfigure xorg it asks me not to choose any resolution ... |
| 09:59.20 | cydork | fourat: so you no luck with dhclient wlan0/or whatever? |
| 09:59.28 | cydork | s/you// |
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| 10:00.18 | wauken | hi |
| 10:00.34 | fourat | cydork, yes |
| 10:01.34 | wauken | if my mobo does not support Raid, can i still implement Raid, with software? will it be effective? |
| 10:02.50 | wauken | Raid, anyone? |
| 10:03.07 | wols_ | your mobo raid isn't mor than software raid either |
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| 10:03.33 | wols_ | it's "fake raid". so software raid will work just as well |
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| 10:05.00 | wauken | wols_, good to know that. what about hot sparing or hot swapping? software Raid can only suport hot sparing, true? |
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| 10:06.33 | wols_ | no swapping of course |
| 10:08.20 | wauken | how long would a jigdo download of a debian binary cdimage take? it has been going on for hours, at ave rate of about 20KB/s. is that proper? |
| 10:09.42 | Fox | wauken: depends on your miror, 20KB/s is a bit slow |
| 10:09.46 | wauken | wols_, in the Sarge cd installation of Raid, should i set both drives to be active or 1 active, 1 spare? |
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| 10:11.00 | wols_ | never installed debian on a raid. depends on raid level you want tho I think |
| 10:11.03 | Tealc | how do you get SSH to use OPIE? |
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| 10:11.21 | thirst | is fuse-utils broken in the latest testing release ? |
| 10:11.54 | cydork | thirst: nope. using it atm. |
| 10:11.57 | wauken | Fox, i already have a .iso.tmp file which is 657,939 KB in size. |
| 10:11.58 | cydork | Tealc: OPIE?? |
| 10:12.06 | Tealc | i need SSH to be safe |
| 10:12.15 | Tealc | so i can use it from unsecury computers that have keyloggers |
| 10:12.19 | cydork | Tealc: what is OPIE? |
| 10:12.23 | Tealc | ionno |
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| 10:12.33 | wols_ | wauken: it might have allocated all the needed space in thebeginning |
| 10:12.40 | wols_ | why aren't you using a netinstall btw? |
| 10:13.07 | Tealc | its a One Time Password |
| 10:13.09 | wols_ | Tealc: if you have an unsecure compromisd computer, nothing will help. nothing |
| 10:13.20 | Tealc | wols_ yes One Time Password helps |
| 10:13.24 | thirst | cydork: when i try to install it it exits with this error http://rafb.net/paste/results/XsSOQv41.html |
| 10:13.29 | wauken | wols_, its along story. the machine i wnat to install debian |
| 10:13.40 | Tealc | wols_ so dont try to bullshit me |
| 10:13.43 | wauken | wols_, sorry, let me try again. |
| 10:13.52 | ozzy_w | hi guys. i had a question in mind. since we have udev now, do we need debian's discover? shouldn't udev handle all device detection? |
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| 10:14.38 | wols_ | Tealc: if the OS is compromised so is the client. end of story |
| 10:14.49 | Tealc | idiot |
| 10:14.59 | Tealc | im talkin about keylogger |
| 10:15.00 | thirst | cydork: any way i can find out what exactly is failing. |
| 10:15.04 | Tealc | not some crackers |
| 10:15.27 | cydork | thirst: it says that fuse group already exists so just try to remove that and try again. |
| 10:15.28 | wols_ | to be able to enter a keylogger, you need a compromised system. and please stop the name calling |
| 10:15.56 | wauken | wols_, thee machine i want to install debian is brand, so no link. the one i am now using is a MS machine with proper link. so i use this machine to download binary, burn to cd and use it to install on new machine. |
| 10:15.56 | Tealc | ur a big idiot sir |
| 10:15.56 | wols_ | you could get the same with a certificate only login if all you want to thwart are keyloggers |
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| 10:16.08 | Tealc | keyloggers can be PIC:s |
| 10:16.11 | EdLin | !ur |
| 10:16.11 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 10:16.16 | Tealc | aka hardware |
| 10:16.29 | Tealc | so stfu if you dont know anything |
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| 10:16.59 | EdLin | !ops Tealc is being very abusive |
| 10:16.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: edlin complains about: Tealc is being very abusive |
| 10:17.01 | wols_ | better learn manners. and some knowledge |
| 10:17.29 | dondelelcaro | Tealc: the people here who are attempting to help you are volunteers; abusing them will not make you last long in this channel. |
| 10:17.30 | wols_ | if you use a certificate for logging in, no key entry needed, no keylogger |
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| 10:17.49 | wauken | wols_, so, that 600+ MB of .iso.tmp doesn't mean I have got it? i notice its size remains the same, while the time it is modified is continually updated. |
| 10:18.23 | dondelelcaro | That being said, however, using ssh from an insecure computer is a bad idea. There's no way to tell if what the ssh binary is displaying is what is actually being run |
| 10:18.25 | wols_ | wauken: if it allocates all needed space on startup: not necessarily. But as someone before said, 20k/s is pretty low for a debian mirror |
| 10:18.46 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: I already said that and he left as well |
| 10:19.10 | cydork | :) |
| 10:19.28 | wols_ | cydork: I guess some OTP patch or whatever for ssh |
| 10:19.32 | EdLin | cydork: Andy's son |
| 10:19.48 | dondelelcaro | wols_: fair enough |
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| 10:20.44 | CodeMonkey | what is the other way to configure Xorg |
| 10:20.50 | CodeMonkey | X -configure and? |
| 10:20.51 | write_erase | Hi, my scsi devices order change, what must I change in the initramfs do i can run again /init with the correct root ? |
| 10:21.07 | wols_ | !tell CodeMonkey about drxx |
| 10:21.28 | CodeMonkey | wols_: I use dpkg |
| 10:21.33 | CodeMonkey | but it refuses to write the file |
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| 10:21.46 | thirst | cydork: I removed and tried again, here are the logs. Any clue how to debug this http://rafb.net/paste/results/wWkeM737.html |
| 10:21.51 | wols_ | !tell CodeMonkey about xmd5 |
| 10:21.57 | EdLin | CodeMonkey: that's because you've made manual changes |
| 10:22.00 | wols_ | you have edited the file manually. that's bad(tm) |
| 10:22.58 | CodeMonkey | I do not have XF86 |
| 10:23.18 | CodeMonkey | the config file |
| 10:23.28 | CodeMonkey | for some reason it is not there |
| 10:23.48 | EdLin | !tell CodeMonkey -about xorgmd5 |
| 10:23.50 | cydork | thirst: hmm unknown option at line 14 somthing definatly wrong with postinst script. |
| 10:24.49 | thirst | cydork: can you guide me as to where I can have a look at the postinst script ? where is the .deb usually untarred ? |
| 10:24.54 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: can you fix the xmd5 factoid. it looks buggered |
| 10:24.59 | wols_ | missing stuff |
| 10:25.09 | azeem | wols_: you can fix it yourself |
| 10:25.11 | wols_ | thirst: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 10:25.20 | wols_ | azeem: my dpkg fu is not good enough |
| 10:25.34 | wols_ | could also be cause the factoid is too long |
| 10:26.02 | cydork | thirst: /var/lib/dpkg/info/fuse-utils.postinst |
| 10:26.06 | thirst | wols_: thanks let me check it out |
| 10:26.09 | cydork | thirst: check bts too |
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| 10:26.16 | CodeMonkey | EdLin: its not working |
| 10:26.34 | CodeMonkey | I did that |
| 10:26.39 | CodeMonkey | but I do not have a xorg.conf |
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| 10:27.07 | CodeMonkey | so its refusing to write |
| 10:27.12 | CodeMonkey | even tho I touched the file |
| 10:27.17 | wols_ | CodeMonkey: you are root when doing it? |
| 10:27.30 | wols_ | made a dummy configfile with touch perhaps? |
| 10:27.33 | CodeMonkey | yeah |
| 10:27.37 | CodeMonkey | I did |
| 10:27.41 | CodeMonkey | touch xorg.conf |
| 10:27.46 | eps | a pink pony? |
| 10:27.55 | CodeMonkey | and then md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum |
| 10:27.57 | wols_ | create a dummy file and follow the xorgmd5 factoid |
| 10:28.06 | CodeMonkey | and it refuses to write |
| 10:28.19 | CodeMonkey | and X -configure does not work either |
| 10:28.22 | CodeMonkey | for some insane reason |
| 10:28.26 | cydork | !pony wols_ |
| 10:28.29 | wols_ | that is not insane it is good |
| 10:28.44 | eps | I want a pink pony :( |
| 10:28.52 | CodeMonkey | wols_: ok any ideas? |
| 10:28.52 | wols_ | great. time to make salami! |
| 10:29.10 | wols_ | CodeMonkey: there should be an error message if it can't write somewhere |
| 10:29.22 | CodeMonkey | let me show you |
| 10:29.22 | thirst | cydork: wols_ caught the line causing the error line.18 "/sbin/udevcontrol reload_rules;" what is wrong with that |
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| 10:29.35 | thirst | cydork: what is bts ? |
| 10:29.45 | wols_ | !bts |
| 10:29.45 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 10:30.06 | CodeMonkey | `this is what it says |
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| 10:30.11 | yxa | how can I change the creation date of a file to say 10 secs from NOW? |
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| 10:30.31 | MrNaz | when debian 4.0 is released... can sarge users update with a simple apt-get update / upgrade or is there more to updating major versions? |
| 10:30.36 | wols_ | thirst: simply delete the fuse group |
| 10:30.39 | thirst | cydork: wols_ maybe I have an older version of udevcontol, do you know which package it comes with ? |
| 10:30.41 | CodeMonkey | xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X ; file has been modified |
| 10:30.45 | azeem | MrNaz: better use aptitude |
| 10:30.55 | azeem | MrNaz: and read the release notes, once they are published |
| 10:30.56 | thirst | wols_: I tried deleting the fuse group and reinstalling.. that didnt help |
| 10:31.04 | wols_ | MrNaz: after editing your sources.list, apt-get update;apt-gte dist-upgrade |
| 10:31.09 | wauken | if i stop my jigdo download now, can i still use what has been loaded so far? |
| 10:31.29 | cydork | thirst: dpkg -l|grep udev |
| 10:31.33 | MrNaz | thanks guys |
| 10:31.38 | CodeMonkey | ok |
| 10:31.43 | CodeMonkey | I have no clue |
| 10:31.48 | wols_ | thirst: what was the error when fuse group did not exists? the line you pasted is relating to udev btw. and udev docs are very very sparse imho :( |
| 10:31.49 | EdLin | MrNaz: you should use dist-upgrade rather than plain upgrade |
| 10:32.12 | thirst | wols_: check my second paste |
| 10:32.21 | wols_ | CodeMonkey: that's why you got told about xorgmd5. follow it |
| 10:32.30 | thirst | wols_: cydork i am upgrading my udev anyway let me see if that helps fix the issue |
| 10:32.38 | CodeMonkey | wols_: I did |
| 10:32.40 | CodeMonkey | demmit |
| 10:32.53 | wols_ | CodeMonkey: but did you create a (empty) file then? |
| 10:33.07 | CodeMonkey | yes |
| 10:33.12 | CodeMonkey | and then ran the md5 |
| 10:33.37 | CodeMonkey | even when reinstalling xserver-xorg |
| 10:33.44 | CodeMonkey | it refuses to write a config |
| 10:33.49 | wols_ | then try it with a xorg.conf from google perhaps |
| 10:33.57 | wols_ | when removing X for reinstalling, did you purge? |
| 10:34.10 | CodeMonkey | no |
| 10:34.24 | cydork | CodeMonkey: then purge and reinstall again |
| 10:34.38 | CodeMonkey | and now my mouse is not working |
| 10:34.46 | CodeMonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.49 | CodeMonkey | is not functioning |
| 10:34.55 | wols_ | purging removes config files like xorg.conf |
| 10:35.03 | wols_ | simply reinstalling doesn't |
| 10:35.04 | dondelelcaro | !xmd5 |
| 10:35.04 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. See <Xorgmd5> if you are running <Xorg> |
| 10:35.14 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 10:35.23 | CodeMonkey | I know that |
| 10:35.29 | CodeMonkey | for the 100th time |
| 10:35.55 | yxa | how does one change the creation time of a file? |
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| 10:36.14 | dondelelcaro | yxa: with touch |
| 10:36.20 | EdLin | yxa: man touch |
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| 10:36.53 | CodeMonkey | how fgoes one purge? |
| 10:37.22 | EdLin | CodeMonkey: aptitude purge, or apt-get remove --purge |
| 10:37.33 | wauken | i have a sarge installation cd tha comes with kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 without the corresponding headers. but i couldn't locate it online either. help. |
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| 10:38.06 | thirst | wols_: cydork ..thanks guys. that fixed the issue.. |
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| 10:39.05 | wauken | this is critical to me right now. iif i stop my jigdo download now, can i still use what has been loaded so far? |
| 10:39.15 | cydork | thirst: yay np :) |
| 10:39.24 | EdLin | !d-i wauken |
| 10:39.25 | dpkg | wauken, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 10:40.03 | YazzY | howdy guys |
| 10:40.12 | YazzY | which package would include gnu make ? |
| 10:40.20 | cydork | !b-e YazzY |
| 10:40.21 | dpkg | YazzY: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 10:40.22 | wauken | EdLin, where's the relevance? |
| 10:40.44 | EdLin | wauken: that's the netinst mini-iso image |
| 10:40.57 | YazzY | thanks |
| 10:41.04 | wols | wauken: I'm curious, on what kind of machine do you want to install debian? chipset of mobo mainly? |
| 10:41.31 | CodeMonkey | ok now there is issues with the core pointer |
| 10:41.35 | wols | cause if it's something fairly new, the best thing is a sarge installer with the latest kernel you can get |
| 10:41.47 | YazzY | build-essential includes way too much stuff but i got the listg |
| 10:41.50 | YazzY | list |
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| 10:42.08 | wauken | wols, mobo is Intel865, chip is 2.6 P4 HT |
| 10:42.08 | wols | YazzY: that stuff is needed if you want to compile anything |
| 10:42.21 | wols | ok, then it should work with sarge kernels |
| 10:42.34 | wols | but I second EdLin's mention of a netinstall |
| 10:43.03 | Guerin | hm, if I see 'ht' in /proc/cpuinfo, does it signify a hypethreading cup? |
| 10:43.06 | CodeMonkey | god damnit this is insane |
| 10:43.08 | wols | only reason for CDs imho is if installing it outside of a network connection |
| 10:43.19 | YazzY | wols: i dont need things like linux-kernel-headers but thanks for the tip |
| 10:43.29 | CodeMonkey | eish |
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| 10:43.39 | yxa | dondelelcaro i don't really get it. can you give me an example where by I want to change only the mtime to a future value? |
| 10:43.41 | YazzY | or perl for that metter |
| 10:44.16 | wols | YazzY: without perl you can't install a single package, so I wouldn't call it uneeded |
| 10:44.41 | cydork | YazzY: perl is needed for many things |
| 10:44.43 | cydork | bah |
| 10:45.02 | Guerin | YazzY: build-essential isncludes only things which are *essential* for building packages |
| 10:45.10 | dondelelcaro | yxa: touch -m -d 'January, 1 2034' |
| 10:45.35 | yxa | dondelelcaro i dont want to change the date, only the time |
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| 10:46.26 | wols | yxa: use -m -t then |
| 10:47.23 | dondelelcaro | yxa: or specify the current date in -d |
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| 10:47.47 | yxa | got it. |
| 10:47.48 | wauken | wols, let me beginning fr the beginning. i have a machine installed with debian fr a Sarge installation cd. i now have kernel-2.4.7 + headers and kernel-2.6.8, without headers. before i can do netinstall, i have to set up a link. i have a 56K modem with Smartlink driver source. to compile this source, i need kernel headers. With the 2.4.7, this is no problem and i have done this. ... |
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| 10:48.27 | yxa | wols my next question is how can I get the current datetime in [[CC]YY]MMDDhhmm format? |
| 10:48.38 | dondelelcaro | yxa: using date. |
| 10:48.41 | cydork | yxa: man date |
| 10:48.48 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 10:48.53 | dondelelcaro | yxa: but if that's what you want, just use the -d format; date already provides it in that format. |
| 10:49.00 | EdLin | wauken: 2.4.7? You aren't using a proper sarge CD then |
| 10:49.02 | Guerin | did reading manpages juts get harder or something? |
| 10:49.25 | wols | EdLin: maybe a typo 2.4.27 |
| 10:49.39 | perlmonkey | I seem to have b0ken my system. I did an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, and now X wont start...startx..screen loads black, pointer etc, just hangs...error is kdeinit could not start. check installation |
| 10:49.41 | perlmonkey | any ideas? |
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| 10:50.01 | Guerin | perlmonkey: don't use kde. |
| 10:50.02 | EdLin | wols: yeah, even Woody uses a newer 2.4 kernel than that :-) |
| 10:50.10 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 10:50.10 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of starving hamsters. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 10:50.19 | perlmonkey | running debian 2.6.8-2-686 & testing |
| 10:50.25 | Guerin | perlmonkey: echo xterm > /.xsession |
| 10:50.29 | perlmonkey | Guerin: I been using it for years, whats wrong with it? |
| 10:50.30 | Guerin | perlmonkey: then try again |
| 10:50.33 | Hoxzer | http://pastebin.ca/176048 <- can I just remove this "/usr/lib/libGL.so.1" |
| 10:50.35 | Hoxzer | ? |
| 10:50.35 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 10:50.38 | Guerin | perlmonkey: it's not working, apparently |
| 10:51.43 | ozzy_w | hey people? do you think we need debian's discover if we use a new kernel with udev? I mean, doesn't udev handle the hotplugging anyway? |
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| 10:51.47 | wauken | but 56k link would be too slow for netinstall. i have another alternative. i can link up with a wlan. i have a Belkin card with rt2500 chip. i am not sure if rt2500 is supported by 2.4.7. i know 2.6.8 can, but i would need to build it from rt2500-saource which would require 2.6.8's headeers. |
| 10:52.00 | Guerin | ozzy_w: suck and see |
| 10:52.00 | perlmonkey | Guerin: I did what you said but there's no change |
| 10:52.11 | wauken | EdLin, what is proper is what is availlable on hand. |
| 10:52.12 | Guerin | perlmonkey: it's still trying to run kdeinit? |
| 10:52.23 | EdLin | wauken: I am on a 56K modem and I installed using netinst |
| 10:52.27 | wols | wauken: download 2.6.8 headers while booted into 2.4.27 |
| 10:52.35 | ozzy_w | Guerin: suck and see? what does that mean? |
| 10:52.41 | perlmonkey | Guerin: affirmative |
| 10:52.50 | Guerin | ozzy_w: try it and see what's happening |
| 10:53.05 | Guerin | perlmonkey: bah, stupid kde. Suggest removing it and tryiung something else. |
| 10:53.06 | perlmonkey | Guerin: I noticed a whole bunch of packages were held back for some reason on the upgrade |
| 10:53.15 | Guerin | perlmonkey: /msg dpkg held back |
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| 10:53.21 | wauken | EdLin, how big is your installation? how long you take to build it? |
| 10:53.28 | ozzy_w | Guerin: I already tried it and everything works fine. the thing is, why do they still work on discover? |
| 10:53.45 | Fox | suck and see? what does that mean? |
| 10:53.52 | Fox | oups |
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| 10:54.36 | wauken | wols, i would download the headers to my MS machine i am using now and transfer to the debian machine. the toruble is, i can't find the header. |
| 10:54.41 | Xteven | Fox : don't stop now |
| 10:54.49 | Fox | hehe |
| 10:54.50 | EdLin | wauken: if you're installing a minimal server, it won't take long. |
| 10:54.52 | wols | wauken: for sarge? one sec |
| 10:54.57 | cydork | !nuke M$ Desktop |
| 10:55.08 | Fox | yeah \o/ |
| 10:55.13 | fourat | is there anyway to restrict lan users to use DHCP mode only and no static IP ? |
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| 10:55.35 | wauken | EdLin, that's not what i am doing. |
| 10:55.46 | EdLin | wauken: downloading CDs, especially with Jigdo, will take much longer |
| 10:55.59 | Xteven | fourat : you can couple dhcp to iptables and block everything that doesn't have a valid dhcp lease :) |
| 10:56.04 | EdLin | wauken: simply because they *will* download data you won't be using |
| 10:56.11 | perlmonkey | Guerin: since I havent upgraded in a long while, do you think I should of done dist-upgrade? is there any danger in doing that now? |
| 10:56.33 | wols | wauken: http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386/kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-386_2.6.8-16sarge4_i386.deb |
| 10:56.35 | wauken | EdLin, agree, i am finding it out the hard way. |
| 10:56.42 | cydork | perlmonkey: nope |
| 10:56.44 | EdLin | wauken: well, I use a minimal wm here when I'm in X, and that took a couple of hours - but jigdo takes a couple of hours too |
| 10:56.55 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 10:57.03 | EdLin | (X and wm combined) |
| 10:57.05 | fourat | Xteven, can you explain a little more please |
| 10:57.19 | wauken | wols, thks, will try it out. |
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| 10:58.09 | wols | wauken: easy to find any package with packages.debian.org |
| 10:58.13 | wols | and download them too |
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| 10:59.52 | wauken | wols, my kernel is 2.6.8-1-686 and the system was looking for kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-686 |
| 11:00.07 | wauken | when i try to biuild |
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| 11:01.14 | Xteven | fourat : you can check leases of a dhcp server using the omapi interface |
| 11:01.30 | Xteven | fourat : so you can set firewall rules accordingly |
| 11:01.35 | wols | wauken: http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386/ |
| 11:01.40 | Xteven | fourat : and update those rules every 5 minutes or so |
| 11:03.11 | wauken | wols, kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-686 |
| 11:03.11 | wauken | is not there either. |
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| 11:03.46 | fourat | Xteven, i believe its not the best solution ever |
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| 11:04.14 | Xteven | fourat : no its not :/ |
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| 11:06.10 | Xteven | fourat : in theory, you could write a dhcp server that modifies the firewall of your gateway |
| 11:07.29 | fourat | Xteven, i think in other way, i can write a little script that reserve all the IP range to the DHCP server using interface aliases, and release one when someone query the DHCPd for an address |
| 11:07.45 | fourat | Xteven, and it seems not to be the best ever too |
| 11:10.06 | wols | http://www.linuxia.de/mysearch?id=aNyT9zB3&mv_pc=283 |
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| 11:10.19 | wols | could it be you have your kernel not from stable? |
| 11:10.54 | wols | !info kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-686 |
| 11:11.12 | wols | Package 'kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-686' does not exist. |
| 11:11.20 | wols | is what dpkg msged me |
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| 11:12.01 | wauken | wols, when i had the cd, sarge was testing. |
| 11:13.20 | wols | explains a lot |
| 11:13.44 | EdLin | !d-i wauken |
| 11:13.44 | dpkg | wauken, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 11:16.58 | wauken | EdLin, i am looking fot a kernel header, nothing to do with hardare. |
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| 11:17.54 | Xteven | fourat : sorry, I was afk |
| 11:17.57 | EdLin | wauken: if you've installed from an old testing Sarge CD there's probably more wrong than that |
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| 11:19.31 | Xteven | fourat : I suppose you could use ip aliases... |
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| 11:20.02 | Xteven | fourat : the dhcp rfc specifies that the dhcp server should ping the IP before assigning it |
| 11:20.15 | Xteven | fourat : but it's only a suggestion, not a hard constraint |
| 11:21.01 | wols | wauken: you should upgrade to real sarge + security updates as soon as you have propre networking btw. |
| 11:23.57 | wauken | wols, right, evrything hinges on getting a fast link. |
| 11:24.25 | wauken | EdLin, if you have no solution, STFU. |
| 11:24.35 | wols | what about the link I pasted. it has the header vresion you want, or so it says |
| 11:24.39 | EdLin | wauken: even a slow link is OK for upgrading the base system |
| 11:24.54 | EdLin | wauken: no need to curse |
| 11:24.58 | wauken | wols, which one? |
| 11:25.17 | wauken | EdLin, you arsed for it. |
| 11:25.36 | EdLin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.38 | wauken | :D |
| 11:25.49 | wols | http://www.linuxia.de/mysearch?id=aNyT9zB3&mv_pc=283 |
| 11:25.55 | wauken | EdLin, thks a lot. |
| 11:27.22 | wols | damn, no download links |
| 11:27.33 | wols | I guess your only choice is to download a kernel+headers imho |
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| 11:31.18 | wauken | wols, thks a lot, you have been of great help. bye. |
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| 11:41.08 | Mage_ | hello |
| 11:41.31 | Mage_ | I have a problem with apt, it hangs when I install/deinstall/.. something |
| 11:41.59 | Mage_ | any idea ? |
| 11:42.03 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 11:42.03 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed oxen. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 11:42.34 | Mage_ | for example : http://rafb.net/paste/results/0WcE5L45.html |
| 11:42.38 | Mage_ | and it hangs |
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| 11:43.31 | sussudio | Mage_: apt-get -f install |
| 11:44.07 | Mage_ | same ... |
| 11:44.25 | Mage_ | http://rafb.net/paste/results/pkGcwx10.html |
| 11:44.30 | Mage_ | it hangs agaub |
| 11:44.33 | Mage_ | again |
| 11:44.49 | wols | possibly the prerm script |
| 11:45.09 | Mage_ | I have this with almost everything |
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| 11:50.36 | Skrot | Hi. I'm running a dual view in clone mode. How can I get video on both screens? Now it only shows on my built in LCD. I'm using a ATI card with fglrx-drivers |
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| 11:55.05 | Mage_ | ok I found the things which fail |
| 11:55.06 | Mage_ | D000002: fork/exec /var/lib/dpkg/info/menu.postinst ( configure 2.1.30 ) |
| 11:55.15 | Mage_ | it's the "update-menus" |
| 11:56.00 | DogsbloodXP | Mage_: are you using unstable? |
| 11:56.08 | Mage_ | yes |
| 11:56.18 | DogsbloodXP | then you've just forfeited your right to getting any help here :) |
| 11:56.28 | DogsbloodXP | file a bug report, wait 24 hours, try again. |
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| 11:58.00 | dondelelcaro | Mage_: add set -x to the top of the postinst, and run again. |
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| 11:58.12 | dondelelcaro | Mage_: figure out what update-menus call is failing, then run it yourself. |
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| 11:59.25 | ma3x | I have postfix, but why can't I telnet to localhost 110 (pop) ? |
| 11:59.27 | dondelelcaro | once you know why it's failing, if it's a bug, file it. |
| 11:59.29 | Skrot | Okay. I'm having problems viewing video on multiple screens using Xv. Is that even possible? |
| 12:00.06 | pipeline | Skrot: if you have multiple graphics cards, it's not surprising. |
| 12:00.10 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: postfix is not a pop server. You want dovecot or similiar. |
| 12:00.24 | dondelelcaro | (postfix is an MTA) |
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| 12:00.48 | Skrot | pipeline: It's one graphics card, with dual view (clone mode) |
| 12:01.02 | Mage_ | http://rafb.net/paste/results/qoownk13.html |
| 12:01.05 | Mage_ | really strange |
| 12:01.38 | Skrot | pipeline: e.g, it's my laptop with built-in LCD and my HD-projector. No video on the projector when I'm using Xv. x11 and sdl works, but I'd want Xv |
| 12:01.39 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, but I can connect to localhost on port 25? so it's a smtp mail server but not a pop server? |
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| 12:02.25 | wols | it's a MTA to be exact |
| 12:02.49 | wols | you need something like qpopper for a pop3 server, but since you run your own mailserver, use imap |
| 12:02.54 | wols | dovecot, courier, etc |
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| 12:03.32 | pipeline | Skrot: Tough shit. Multihead is pretty freaky like that. You probably wouldn't get accelerated video under Windows, either. Since it's only one graphics card, you should be able to get away with x11shm |
| 12:03.58 | Skrot | x11shm? |
| 12:04.23 | pipeline | Skrot: X11 shared memory. Blit entire frames with fewer TCP round-trips |
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| 12:04.45 | Skrot | Okay, sounds advanced |
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| 12:06.22 | Mage_ | when I update-menus as root in a terminal it works |
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| 12:09.01 | shipmate_moz | Hi, I've just ran `apt-get source ejabberd` from testing and applied a patch from the devel. How do I rebuild it into a deb file? |
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| 12:10.36 | dorel__ | damn it |
| 12:10.41 | dorel__ | ldap is so frustrating |
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| 12:11.50 | shipmate_moz | Ah, I think I have it. |
| 12:12.50 | wols | shipmate_moz: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:15.13 | shipmate_moz | wols: building now - thank you (Yarrr etc) |
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| 12:19.38 | MatBoy | And ??? Did you all mis me ??? :D |
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| 12:20.32 | MatBoy | s/mis/miss |
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| 12:20.36 | dondelelcaro | shipmate_moz: you can also just fakeroot debian/rules binary; if you want |
| 12:20.57 | cydork | MatBoy: noooooooo |
| 12:20.57 | dondelelcaro | (possibly clean binary) |
| 12:21.24 | MatBoy | cydork, you don't get any beer from me !!!!!!!!!! |
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| 12:21.47 | cydork | MatBoy: at work so cant drink for few hours atleast :P |
| 12:22.14 | MatBoy | cydork, if you beer everyone... they don't notice that you was drinking :P |
| 12:22.46 | cydork | MatBoy: hehh |
| 12:23.09 | MatBoy | cydork, always see the advantage from the disadvanatage :P |
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| 12:24.42 | Thlayli | would someone be so nice and send me a working good sources.list? |
| 12:24.49 | Thlayli | i accidently erased parts of mine using vi ^^ |
| 12:25.41 | wols | deb ftp://ftp.dedebian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 12:25.47 | wols | the rest should be fairly obvious |
| 12:25.56 | Thlayli | thx |
| 12:25.59 | asg | Thlayli: there is an example in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples |
| 12:26.16 | Thlayli | thanks, asg |
| 12:26.43 | dendrite | Thlayli: If you haven't exited vi, 'u' is undo. |
| 12:26.43 | eps | mine is very australia specific |
| 12:26.44 | wols | 'twas good |
| 12:26.50 | eps | indeed |
| 12:26.52 | Thlayli | exited already, using nano instead |
| 12:27.15 | eps | much love for vim 7's cool new features :D |
| 12:27.51 | dendrite | eps: I dunno. At this rate, vim and emacs are going to meet. |
| 12:28.15 | wols | dendrite: I thought the same when I looked at package sizes |
| 12:28.16 | littleball | hello, anyone using sun grid computing service ? |
| 12:28.38 | wols | ask your real question |
| 12:28.43 | wols | ... if it's debian related |
| 12:28.50 | eps | to be bluntly honest...I've used emacs twice and didn't much care for the gui-ness - which puts me at a horrible disadvantage to comment about it as I really have no idea how it works |
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| 12:29.38 | dendrite | eps: I'm sure it works very well. |
| 12:30.04 | eps | so am I, and one day I might put in the effort to play with it :P |
| 12:30.11 | eps | I really should |
| 12:30.31 | MatBoy | !beer cydork |
| 12:30.38 | littleball | i want to know whether sun grid computing is cheaper than normal dedicated server |
| 12:30.38 | eps | then again I already use nano, pico, [g]vi[m], gedit, and notepad :P |
| 12:30.39 | cydork | yay |
| 12:30.48 | eps | littleball hahahaha |
| 12:30.50 | MatBoy | !beer cydork more until he loves MatBoy :p |
| 12:30.58 | littleball | eps, why? hahaha? |
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| 12:31.39 | cydork | MatBoy: not gonna happen, :) |
| 12:31.56 | MatBoy | cydork, hehe once you will.... and no I'm still no Gay :D |
| 12:31.58 | eps | sun's grid computing stuff is for people who want to crunch big numbers...it's not really there so you can show off how script kiddie you are by owning a ded box |
| 12:32.02 | MatBoy | do don't be afraid :) |
| 12:32.03 | cydork | littleball: server?? |
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| 12:32.19 | MatBoy | cydork, you can't hug a computercase |
| 12:32.29 | littleball | eps, thanks. the their advertisement mislead people. they put 1$/hour ..... |
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| 12:32.43 | eps | littleball 1$ an hour per cpu |
| 12:32.50 | littleball | cydork, yes. i am looking for dedicated linux server. but today, i read sun advertisement... |
| 12:33.05 | eps | I can't see how it can mislead the target audience at all...those who work remotely in computers should get it quickly |
| 12:33.40 | cydork | littleball: what kind of server?? |
| 12:33.42 | eps | littleball depending on what you want the server for you have many options, and a lot of googling in front of you |
| 12:33.52 | wilymage | There was a lot of discussion regarding IBM's ServeRAID software (specifically RaidMan) on the Debian forums. I am using IBM's version 7.0 boot CD so that I can set up a logical device; however, it doesn't work correctly. Anyone have any experience? |
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| 12:34.10 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, there is a problem with dovecot, I connect to it from a remote server and then nothing happens! it just disconnects |
| 12:34.27 | littleball | of course, i need to compare the price. if you guys can recommend a good one, i am appreciate. because yesterday one guy here promise me he can provide, but i cannot reach him anymore |
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| 12:34.52 | wols | ma3x: look in your lokgs. and connect how, what client? |
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| 12:35.33 | eps | littleball I tend to look at The Planet firstly...then again you probably just want any old reseller |
| 12:35.34 | ma3x | wols, pop3. nothing in the log, just this Sep 19 14:29:20 ma3x dovecot: pop3-login: Disconnected: rip=194.51.100.246, lip=192.168.1.2 |
| 12:35.35 | littleball | cydork, i don't want to buy server hardware. |
| 12:35.47 | eps | cydork he is a random who wants linux hosting |
| 12:36.05 | wols | ma3x: and how did you try to connect? |
| 12:36.32 | azeem | ma3x: can you file a wishlist bug on scmxx with the scmxx -i information and the request for support? |
| 12:36.33 | littleball | eps, does sun really provide some runing service already? |
| 12:36.38 | Thlayli | how can i tell apt-get to install a package with all its dependencies? |
| 12:36.38 | azeem | ma3x: the scmxx author will read it |
| 12:36.45 | wols | littleball: dedi or virtual server, managed or not? |
| 12:37.03 | wols | Thlayli: apt can only install with all dependencies. no other way |
| 12:37.14 | Thlayli | hmm, i get unmet dependency errors |
| 12:37.17 | ma3x | azeem, what kind of bug exactly? |
| 12:37.19 | Thlayli | although the packages are present |
| 12:37.31 | ma3x | wols, via hotmail, via my phone, etc..... |
| 12:37.33 | azeem | ma3x: wishlist bug |
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| 12:37.54 | ma3x | azeem, and then untill he does something, years will pass |
| 12:38.09 | azeem | ma3x: right, he answered my mail in 10 minutes |
| 12:38.22 | ma3x | oh okay then |
| 12:38.36 | azeem | plus I occasionally meet him here at Debian meetings |
| 12:38.39 | ma3x | azeem, should I tell him, I want to be able to upload/download pictures, files, change the phonebook and so on? |
| 12:38.48 | azeem | ma3x: something like that yes |
| 12:39.04 | azeem | ma3x: he might reply asking for further information or to test stuff |
| 12:39.34 | ma3x | azeem, should I fill out that wishlist with querybts or on the web? |
| 12:39.43 | azeem | reportbug |
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| 12:41.08 | MatBoy | !hug cydork |
| 12:42.58 | ma3x | azeem, how do I select wishlist? I got to this now: Please briefly describe your problem (you can elaborate in a moment; an empty response will stop reportbug). This should be |
| 12:42.58 | ma3x | a concise summary of what is wrong with the package, for example, "fails to send email" or "does not start with -q option |
| 12:42.58 | ma3x | specified." |
| 12:43.02 | ma3x | should I describe it there? |
| 12:43.16 | azeem | that's the bug title, you can select the severity afterwards |
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| 12:45.47 | Thlayli | what does UNSTATISFIED in aptitude mean? |
| 12:45.50 | Thlayli | conflicts? |
| 12:45.59 | Thlayli | conflicting packages? |
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| 12:48.13 | tralala | Thlayli: it means that your sources don't provide this package. Are you on something different than i386? |
| 12:48.30 | jouke_ | hey, I have some user in a group, and there is a directory with read write acces on it to that group. But if people put a file in that directory any other user within that group can't read the file because of the permissions. Is there a way to automatically set the permission right so that any file that's put in that map is automatically readable and writable to any users within that group? |
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| 12:49.51 | chemaja | jouke, i think you can set GID for the dir, then ensure user's umasks are ok |
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| 12:50.17 | ma3x | azeem, can I say you are my refference? |
| 12:50.22 | ma3x | in the bugreport? |
| 12:50.33 | chemaja | jouke, SGID, not GID |
| 12:52.16 | Thlayli | how can i tell apt-get to use a local deb file rather than searching for it in the repositories? |
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| 12:52.22 | azeem | ma3x: sure |
| 12:52.27 | Thlayli | please excuse me, it's my first day with a pure debian via ssh :( |
| 12:52.34 | azeem | ma3x: I'm the scmxx maintainer anyway, so I'll read it |
| 12:52.35 | nivanson | Thlayli: dpkg -i file |
| 12:52.38 | Thlayli | thx |
| 12:52.38 | azeem | but if you want |
| 12:52.38 | ma3x | azeem, how did you write him? |
| 12:52.57 | azeem | ma3x: what do you mean? |
| 12:53.13 | azeem | how he is spelled? What email I used? |
| 12:53.25 | ma3x | azeem, heh, you didn't tell me. where's your bugreport? or did you jut write him an email? |
| 12:53.36 | azeem | ma3x: I wrote a private mail |
| 12:53.41 | ma3x | k |
| 12:53.48 | ma3x | he's not on irc? |
| 12:53.50 | azeem | no |
| 12:54.08 | ma3x | oh ok i told him if he wants to test something, to feel free |
| 12:54.12 | azeem | just file a bug report, that will keep it public for others |
| 12:54.17 | azeem | thanks |
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| 12:54.56 | ma3x | what should I select for Serial device file for IrDA: ? |
| 12:54.59 | ma3x | yeah np |
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| 12:55.17 | politik | is there a way to make apt download multiple packages simultaneously, rather than one after another? |
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| 12:55.55 | wols | it already downloads from different repositories at the same time |
| 12:56.05 | wols | but no, it can't open multiple connections to the same |
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| 12:56.37 | politik | wols: really, meaning if I put in multiple mirrors for the same distro, it'll do it? |
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| 12:57.29 | wols | no it won't either |
| 12:57.42 | Braindead | meaning that having a nearer and faster repository would be better. use apt-spy |
| 12:58.36 | politik | better than nothing, but if my link is faster than the fastest repository, what can I do |
| 12:58.57 | ma3x | damn |
| 12:59.10 | ma3x | the infrared on my laptop is flashing from time to time, but it doesn't detect my phone |
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| 12:59.11 | ma3x | why not |
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| 12:59.33 | politik | I should be able to download from different mirrors at once, I'd think. that's one of the features of mirrors. |
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| 13:00.53 | Braindead | politik: so your best repository,as selected from apt-spy,isn't fast enough? |
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| 13:03.03 | MatBoy | Ohoh.... udev is upgraded again.... |
| 13:03.31 | politik | Braindead: thats right, I am not satisfied with using one repository |
| 13:04.04 | politik | sometimes a given repository is fast, sometimes it's under load and not so fast |
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| 13:04.50 | cahoot | politik: sounds like your system should be a good mirror |
| 13:05.08 | politik | cahoot: downstream is cheap :) upstream, not so much |
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| 13:07.37 | ramiroec | is there a command to check is a network card has "link" ? |
| 13:07.55 | wols | dmesg will tell |
| 13:08.09 | ma3x | hey azeem |
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| 13:09.24 | tobiiwan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:09.46 | shinmaz | hi there |
| 13:10.07 | shinmaz | i need an advice about the clustered/distributed filesystem i must use on my debian cluster :) |
| 13:10.16 | shinmaz | someone have an hint for me |
| 13:10.17 | shinmaz | ? |
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| 13:11.13 | azeem | ma3x: ? |
| 13:11.37 | ma3x | azeem, just wanted to ask do you get paid for maintaining projects? |
| 13:11.42 | wdamn | which package contains alsamixer - the one with no gui ? |
| 13:11.45 | azeem | ma3x: no |
| 13:12.15 | Braindead | wdamn: apt-file is your friend. alsa-utils anyway |
| 13:12.24 | ma3x | azeem, so why you do it? for experience? |
| 13:12.33 | azeem | for the fun of it |
| 13:12.42 | cydork | wdamn: alsa-utils |
| 13:13.01 | azeem | "I can't quite find a good answer to why I want to write open source software; it's like asking why I want to spend time breathing." -- Keith Packard |
| 13:13.20 | cydork | nice quote :) |
| 13:13.35 | zumbi | !hi |
| 13:13.35 | dpkg | hello, zumbi |
| 13:13.51 | wdamn | Braindead, cydork : thanx |
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| 13:15.29 | ma3x | hehe, alright, where did you get that one? |
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| 13:19.55 | Octopuce | hello World |
| 13:20.18 | blondie | hello person |
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| 13:20.31 | Octopuce | :) |
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| 13:24.26 | exalted | Hi. How can i re-send a pre-filled bug report file? (I couldn't send it with "reportbug" application because of my non working smtp configuration)? Thank you. |
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| 13:27.05 | tuv | exalted, you should be able to find the bug report generated by reportbug somwhere in /tmp/ |
| 13:27.16 | exalted | tuv, i've got it! |
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| 13:27.39 | exalted | tuv, it's a ready-to-send typo file :) but dunno how to send it... |
| 13:28.25 | tuv | exalted, copy the content to your favorite email client |
| 13:28.27 | abrotman | send it with a working mail client:) |
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| 13:28.49 | abrotman | exalted: if there are SMTP headers .. you can remove those i'd guess |
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| 13:28.55 | exalted | tuv, abrotman; well... I wasn't quite sure if that'd have the same effect. |
| 13:28.58 | exalted | It's allrite |
| 13:28.59 | exalted | Ty. |
| 13:29.06 | abrotman | exalted: if you're not sure .. paste the file somewhere |
| 13:29.08 | abrotman | !paster |
| 13:29.08 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 13:29.08 | exalted | abrotman, yeah sure. |
| 13:29.32 | exalted | abrotman, would you send it to me then? |
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| 13:30.19 | abrotman | exalted: send what? .. are you going to paste it ? |
| 13:30.34 | exalted | abrotman, yeah; shouldn't i? |
| 13:30.42 | abrotman | i'm not going to file it for you .. i'm just saying that we can double check it for you |
| 13:31.15 | exalted | abrotman, allrite; than i'll send it right now... |
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| 13:36.18 | cyzie | hello, how do i extract a particular file from a tar file ? |
| 13:36.28 | abrotman | man tar |
| 13:36.39 | zumbi | cyzie: man tar; tar xvf file_name |
| 13:37.03 | shinmaz | is there any clustered / distributed filesystem supported in Debian stable version ? |
| 13:37.04 | cyzie | yes, i knkow tar xvf file_name.tar will extract ALL the file in file_name.tar |
| 13:37.16 | cyzie | but i only want a particular file in the file_name.tar |
| 13:37.20 | zumbi | dpkg: onliner |
| 13:37.38 | pipeline | cyzie: You have to list the files you want to extract. |
| 13:37.59 | abrotman | shinmaz: probably |
| 13:38.31 | cyzie | pipeline, yes, tar -tf file_name.tar will list out the content. i have the file name but i do not know exactly how to extract that file only ? i have look through the tar and i didnt find any |
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| 13:38.57 | Hoxzer | http://pastebin.ca/176048 <- can I just remove this "/usr/lib/libGL.so.1" |
| 13:38.57 | cydork | shinmaz: there is openafs in debian |
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| 13:40.47 | cyzie | so zumbi abrotman pipeline any idea how to achieve that? |
| 13:41.10 | shinmaz | cyzie> no more FS than openAFS ? |
| 13:41.17 | shinmaz | is there any DRDB support in debian ? |
| 13:41.43 | abrotman | shinmaz: might be GFS somewhere (kernel or FUSE) |
| 13:41.47 | zumbi | cyzie: using mc ? |
| 13:42.22 | cydork | shinmaz: there is drbd but that is raid 1 over tcp/ip afaik |
| 13:42.52 | OhMyGod | hello? how to setup my soundblaster 16 sound card? I cann't detect it by alsaconf. |
| 13:42.59 | abrotman | is it ISA? |
| 13:43.08 | cyzie | i got it. u need to specify the full path to extract a file |
| 13:43.09 | OhMyGod | abrotman: no |
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| 13:43.21 | abrotman | cyzie: man tar .. there's an example in the man page |
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| 13:43.34 | cyzie | say, tar -xvf gongbin.tar gongbin/bla/foo.rar in order to get the file foo.rar |
| 13:43.48 | cyzie | tar -xvf gongbin.tar *foo.rar* wont work |
| 13:43.51 | stew | shinmaz: drbd is in debian, so is the redhat cluster tools, neither is in the stock kernel, but in add on module source packages |
| 13:44.15 | cydork | OhMyGod: which kernel? |
| 13:44.24 | kihai | Hi there! Does anyone know where to make changes to the way the auth.log is logged. I want to see logout times as well. So far, there's only the login times that are logged... |
| 13:44.26 | OhMyGod | 2.6 |
| 13:44.46 | OhMyGod | cydork: 2.6.8 |
| 13:44.59 | pipeline | cyzie: Goddamnit. You don't learn fast, do you? You have to LIST THE FILES YOU WANT. |
| 13:45.10 | pipeline | cyzie: The first filename you list isn't a file name argument; it's a part of the "-f" switch. |
| 13:45.28 | pipeline | cyzie: "cat foo.tar | tar -xvf- <list of motherfucking filenames goddamnit read the man page>" |
| 13:45.42 | asg | or the info page (for more examples) |
| 13:46.06 | citral | kihai: dunno, I have personally "session closed" entries in auth.log (default install) |
| 13:46.25 | shinmaz | stew> the DRDB package is in stable Debian release ?? i cant find it neitheir using apt-cache or looking in kernel sources |
| 13:46.55 | cyzie | pipeline, THanKS!! |
| 13:47.04 | kihai | citral: Yeah, but I get them session closed entries only for locally logged in users. My users log in via ssh (LTSP) and there are only the login times showing... |
| 13:47.18 | citral | let me look at that |
| 13:47.32 | petemc | it shows it for ssh logins too |
| 13:47.57 | kihai | Example: Sep 19 15:22:26 edubuntu sshd[26939]: Accepted password for wallud from 192.168.1.246 port 3034 ssh2 |
| 13:47.57 | kihai | Sep 19 15:22:26 edubuntu sshd[26976]: (pam_unix) session opened for user wallud by (uid=0) |
| 13:48.09 | abrotman | kihai: is this for ubuntu ? |
| 13:48.16 | kihai | ...but there's no session closed entries... |
| 13:48.22 | citral | true |
| 13:48.39 | kihai | Ahem, yes, Ubunt, but shouldn't matter. It's the same as in pure debian |
| 13:48.50 | cydork | !ubuntu |
| 13:48.50 | dpkg | ubuntu is probably 1. Ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. 2. A GNU/Linux distribution that is <Based on Debian>. Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we do not support Ubuntu here. |
| 13:49.00 | shinmaz | !fuse |
| 13:49.00 | dpkg | fuse is, like, at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. |
| 13:49.10 | citral | kihai: perhaps the loglevel entry of sshd_config |
| 13:49.28 | petemc | the debian default displays |
| 13:49.30 | petemc | it |
| 13:49.32 | kihai | I didn't ask you to support ubuntu. This is a problem identically to debian |
| 13:49.40 | petemc | evidently not |
| 13:49.58 | kihai | citral: Thanks for the hint. I'll look into that. |
| 13:50.53 | citral | kihai: try LogLevel Verbose perhaps |
| 13:50.57 | abrotman | kihai: now .. please kindly go to #ubuntu |
| 13:51.04 | abrotman | citral: go with him! |
| 13:51.16 | citral | didn't see that |
| 13:51.22 | petemc | Sep 19 14:48:56 morbo sshd[23938]: (pam_unix) session closed for user pete |
| 13:51.46 | cydork | kihai: ubuntu is not pure debian. |
| 13:51.56 | abrotman | it's not even close |
| 13:52.01 | citral | that is for pam, if you use ssh keys you don't get "session closed" info |
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| 13:52.11 | pipeline | kihai: Tried #ubuntu, yet? |
| 13:52.30 | petemc | ep 19 14:52:19 morbo sshd[23984]: (pam_unix) session closed for user pete |
| 13:52.33 | petemc | thats using keys |
| 13:52.46 | abrotman | no .. my interactive sshd logs logouts |
| 13:53.05 | kihai | Didn't say Ubuntu is pure debian, but my problem is the same under debian. I used Debian longer than Ubuntu, so why the fuss about that? Man, come down! |
| 13:53.33 | Braindead | kihai: which part of "ubuntu is not debian" isn't clear? |
| 13:53.39 | kihai | Yeah I tried #ubuntu yet, but noone had an idea there... :) |
| 13:53.41 | abrotman | every sarge box i have .. logs it |
| 13:53.42 | cydork | kihai: debian by defult logs logouts. so it's not a debian problem |
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| 13:53.48 | abrotman | kihai: THEN INSTALL DEBIAN |
| 13:53.55 | azeem | abrotman: no need to yell |
| 13:53.59 | azeem | kihai: most people in this channel do not like to support ubuntu |
| 13:54.06 | samfreed | Where do I find gnome-bluetooth? |
| 13:54.16 | kihai | Braindead: Just forget it! You're the best, forget the rest! And bye.... |
| 13:54.16 | azeem | samfreed: I think it's still not in Debian :-/ |
| 13:54.32 | samfreed | azeem: Why, and what do I do? |
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| 13:55.01 | azeem | samfreed: wait, I guess |
| 13:55.03 | azeem | or use Ubuntu |
| 13:55.08 | abrotman | there is a bluetooth package .. but i don't think that's what you're looking for |
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| 13:55.26 | abrotman | samfreed: what are you looking for it to do? |
| 13:55.44 | samfreed | I am looking to be a stpid user, for a change... want to explore bluetooth, my mobile phone, earpeice... |
| 13:55.53 | abrotman | !bluetooth |
| 13:55.53 | dpkg | bluetooth is, like, , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
| 13:56.07 | ma3x | !infrared |
| 13:56.17 | ma3x | !irda |
| 13:56.17 | dpkg | hmm... irda is (InfraRed Data Association) These people developed the IRDA port standard that transfers data through the use of infrared light. Of course, you must have two IRDA devices to get any real use out of this technology. Most notebooks today come standard with this port and some printers do as well. It's handy if you road warriors want to print a document and you've got all the right stuff. |
| 13:56.21 | azeem | samfreed: this is all not very integrated in Debian |
| 13:56.56 | samfreed | azeem: <lament> Why oh why </lament>? |
| 13:57.10 | azeem | samfreed: I don't know |
| 13:57.22 | ma3x | azeem, will I get email if some improvements happen on smcxx? |
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| 13:57.37 | samfreed | Thanks all anyhow. |
| 13:58.03 | ma3x | hey I got a reply |
| 13:58.05 | ma3x | let me check it |
| 13:58.07 | azeem | ma3x: tada |
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| 13:58.40 | azeem | ma3x: you'll get a notification at least when the bug you filed gets closed (because it should work better) |
| 13:58.47 | azeem | dunno when that will happen though :) |
| 13:59.32 | ma3x | hehe ok |
| 13:59.36 | abrotman | azeem: do you know why bugs.d.o and packages.d.o have been .. kind of slow lately? or is it just me? |
| 13:59.50 | ma3x | is there a source of the frontend that I can compile? |
| 14:00.08 | azeem | abrotman: hrm, no |
| 14:00.10 | asg | abrotman: pretty zippy here |
| 14:00.19 | azeem | abrotman: they're quite slow, but I haven't saw anything specific about it |
| 14:00.25 | azeem | s/saw/seen/ |
| 14:00.32 | abrotman | azeem: at home it takes quite a while to load pages |
| 14:00.46 | abrotman | oh well .. i'll live :) |
| 14:00.58 | azeem | ma3x: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gscmxx |
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| 14:02.16 | ma3x | thanks! |
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| 14:03.09 | berlitux | hi ma3x |
| 14:03.15 | ma3x | hi berlitux |
| 14:03.31 | azeem | oh, so he *does* IRC after all |
| 14:03.45 | berlitux | hi Michael |
| 14:03.56 | ma3x | this is the developer? |
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| 14:04.19 | azeem | yeah, berlitux is the scmxx author |
| 14:04.35 | ma3x | wassup, you're gonna bring this project under the light or what? |
| 14:04.44 | azeem | under the light? |
| 14:04.46 | ma3x | to be able to hack our cell phones :p |
| 14:05.03 | azeem | that's not a very constructive way to start a conversation. |
| 14:05.14 | ma3x | was just kidding |
| 14:05.24 | ma3x | excuse me |
| 14:05.25 | azeem | irc doesn't translate that very well |
| 14:05.58 | ma3x | yeap hey if ya need anything to test out i'm here |
| 14:06.01 | berlitux | ma3x: I do not understand your wishlist bug |
| 14:06.14 | berlitux | sms and phonebook should work out-of-the-box |
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| 14:06.35 | ma3x | berlitux, I tried 1 hour ago, they didn't work |
| 14:06.38 | berlitux | getting and uploading files is probably not possible, use obexftp instead for this |
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| 14:07.03 | ma3x | oh, so what can I really do? |
| 14:07.07 | ma3x | backup restore pbook? |
| 14:07.14 | azeem | ma3x: I missed that, can you paste how you tried to send sms? |
| 14:07.15 | berlitux | yes |
| 14:07.31 | ma3x | I didn't try to send sms, I tried to fetch it |
| 14:07.40 | ma3x | and the phone book too |
| 14:07.55 | berlitux | how did you do it? |
| 14:08.01 | berlitux | an errors? |
| 14:08.02 | ma3x | uhm, let me see again |
| 14:08.03 | berlitux | +y |
| 14:08.14 | c0nfidencal | bah |
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| 14:08.20 | abrotman | does this depend on the type of phone .. or on the phone service? |
| 14:08.26 | c0nfidencal | hey, i downloaded that netinstall cd :p |
| 14:08.31 | c0nfidencal | burned, booted |
| 14:08.46 | c0nfidencal | but it hangs on 84% while detecting some HDD or something.. |
| 14:08.51 | c0nfidencal | "ATA" ... |
| 14:08.58 | c0nfidencal | whats the problem? bad cd or what? |
| 14:08.59 | c0nfidencal | :| |
| 14:09.35 | berlitux | c0nfidencal: alt-F4 is always a big help |
| 14:09.45 | c0nfidencal | alt+f4 can help me |
| 14:09.47 | c0nfidencal | fix cd? |
| 14:09.55 | c0nfidencal | so it will boot more than 84% at some ata blabla.. |
| 14:09.56 | c0nfidencal | :D |
| 14:09.58 | c0nfidencal | :/ |
| 14:10.02 | berlitux | it contains log output to analyse the problem |
| 14:10.07 | c0nfidencal | hm |
| 14:10.23 | c0nfidencal | i dont think i will be able to do anything after those 84%'s |
| 14:10.27 | c0nfidencal | cuz it like hangs |
| 14:10.28 | c0nfidencal | but ill try :) |
| 14:10.33 | c0nfidencal | euh! |
| 14:10.42 | c0nfidencal | alt+f4 closes "things' |
| 14:10.45 | c0nfidencal | <_< |
| 14:10.46 | abrotman | i have seen issues where if you burn the CD at too high of a speed .. it doesn't always work correctly |
| 14:10.49 | berlitux | then do it before it hangs so follow the output |
| 14:10.55 | c0nfidencal | i burned @ 8x |
| 14:11.07 | c0nfidencal | ok, ill try |
| 14:11.07 | c0nfidencal | brb |
| 14:11.11 | ma3x | berlitux, I don't exactly remember how I tried to send sms. but I know I couldn't transfer the pbook entries. and I could call successfully |
| 14:11.23 | abrotman | 8x should be ok |
| 14:11.34 | ma3x | berlitux, is there a way to see how many sms chars remain from 160 down? |
| 14:12.21 | berlitux | ma3x: scmxx will tell you the size of the sms |
| 14:12.32 | berlitux | it can send multipart sms |
| 14:12.49 | berlitux | but it will wait a bit if you send more than one part |
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| 14:13.15 | ma3x | berlitux, is it able to receive notification - you know when the receipient receives your sms |
| 14:13.29 | berlitux | yes |
| 14:13.50 | ma3x | really, what's the option for that? or should it be setup in the phone itself only? |
| 14:13.53 | berlitux | the phone should store those but scmxx can evaluate and decode them |
| 14:14.05 | ma3x | wonderful |
| 14:14.21 | berlitux | they are just normal sms, you get them with the other ones |
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| 14:14.23 | ma3x | so what else can I do? My big wish was to be able to upload text files and images |
| 14:14.33 | ma3x | but I can't do that niether with obexftp |
| 14:14.36 | scud | which NFS package should I install kernel or user? |
| 14:14.38 | hxizan | my box suddenly doesn't recognized dvd writer |
| 14:14.51 | berlitux | maybe your phone does not support that? |
| 14:15.04 | berlitux | do you connect via cable, bluetooth or irda? |
| 14:15.11 | ma3x | via cable (usb) |
| 14:15.22 | ma3x | if I try to connect via irda, it doesn't detect the phone |
| 14:15.47 | ma3x | I mean I have irda-utils installed, and the infrared flashes every 5 secs but no detection |
| 14:16.13 | berlitux | irda is turned on on the phone? |
| 14:16.18 | ma3x | berlitux, yes, sure |
| 14:16.24 | berlitux | it is often automatically turned of after a while |
| 14:16.29 | ma3x | yes, i know |
| 14:16.41 | ma3x | I mean if detected it should be displayed in dmesg, right? |
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| 14:16.47 | berlitux | no |
| 14:16.54 | hxizan | I try to $dmesg | grep -i cd but just see "scsi2 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices" |
| 14:16.57 | berlitux | but as root, irdadump will show you |
| 14:17.08 | ma3x | alright, let me test that out. |
| 14:17.11 | hxizan | how do I use my IDE dvd writer |
| 14:17.17 | ma3x | btw you're not planning to add support for file transfer for more phones? |
| 14:17.21 | berlitux | it must have the OBEX flag set |
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| 14:18.00 | berlitux | only if it is not a standard way like obex |
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| 14:18.26 | berlitux | and only if the vendor (or someone else) provides documentation about it |
| 14:18.39 | JordiGH | Can po-mode in Emacs do auto-fill without inserting newlines in the msgstr? |
| 14:19.01 | abrotman | what communication methods does gscmxx support? |
| 14:19.14 | asg | JordiGH: did you ask #emacs? |
| 14:19.20 | JordiGH | Yarr, avast ye scury dawgs and listen to me query. |
| 14:19.31 | JordiGH | asg: What a wonderful idea. No. |
| 14:19.34 | berlitux | abrotman: don't use gscmxx, it's old and dead |
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| 14:20.11 | ma3x | berlitux, so right now I can only upload files with obexftp? |
| 14:20.16 | abrotman | berlitux: i have a siemens phone .. i'd love to backup my phonebook .. but it dosn't have BT or IR afaik |
| 14:20.21 | shipmate_moz | hello - I want to change some network options using procfs (/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive*). Is there an appropriate config file or I should I add some lines to /etc/init.d/networking ? |
| 14:20.31 | asg | shipmate_moz: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 14:20.36 | berlitux | abrotman: what model do you have? |
| 14:20.40 | shipmate_moz | Yarrr, thanks matey |
| 14:20.51 | abrotman | berlitux: you would ask the complicated questions :) |
| 14:21.00 | abrotman | berlitux: CF62T |
| 14:21.03 | Yggdrasil | can somone tell me where i can get the ppc netinstall init.rd and kernel ? |
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| 14:21.25 | Yggdrasil | i cant seem to track it down .. oh and also im talking about the sid version of it. |
| 14:21.28 | ma3x | berlitux, I get these from irdadump 14:30:13.810734 xid:rsp c1b4efcb < 55cd9440 S=6 s=0 SGH-Z107 hint=9424 [ Computer Modem IrCOMM IrOBEX ] (25) 14:30:35.260013 xid:cmd c1b4efcb > ffffffff S=6 s=* ma3x hint=0400 [ Computer ] (20) |
| 14:21.35 | abrotman | Yggdrasil: there is no sid netinst |
| 14:21.41 | Yggdrasil | hmmm |
| 14:21.51 | Yggdrasil | you have to do netinstall stable and then upgrade ? |
| 14:21.56 | Ronin | Yggdrasil: that or etch |
| 14:21.58 | berlitux | abrotman: http://openobex.triq.net/devices/siemens#cf_62 |
| 14:22.13 | Yggdrasil | is ppc etch ... going to cause problems ? |
| 14:22.14 | ma3x | berlitux, and how can I backup my phone book? it's not supported right? |
| 14:22.23 | berlitux | the CF62T might be a special firmware with limitations |
| 14:22.35 | Yggdrasil | wait , etch is testing and sid is unstable ? |
| 14:22.54 | Ronin | Yggdrasil: yes |
| 14:23.00 | Yggdrasil | doh |
| 14:23.29 | Yggdrasil | so where can i get the netinstall for that .. .these macs are pesky as far as booting thier kernels.. if i could get taht i could hook up really nice. |
| 14:23.31 | abrotman | berlitux: ick .. guess i'm screwed .. thanks though :) |
| 14:24.06 | berlitux | ma3x: try "obexftp -i -l /" |
| 14:24.17 | simonrvn | Yggdrasil: what kind of mac? |
| 14:24.21 | berlitux | but maybe it only supports obex-push |
| 14:24.27 | Yggdrasil | its an old world. |
| 14:24.33 | berlitux | in this case, you can only send objects |
| 14:24.44 | Yggdrasil | im running ubuntu on it now but its bloaty |
| 14:25.01 | simonrvn | ah, floppy booting ;) |
| 14:25.13 | simonrvn | installer anyway |
| 14:25.21 | ma3x | berlitux, Disconnecting...failed: disconnect |
| 14:26.30 | berlitux | try to send an object: "obexftp -i -H -S -p datei" |
| 14:26.55 | Yggdrasil | berlitux, i you were asking ppc correct |
| 14:27.30 | ma3x | Connecting...done |
| 14:27.31 | ma3x | Sending "info.txt"...|failed: info.txt Disconnecting...done |
| 14:28.33 | berlitux | so it can do obex-push but it does not accept that file (or it's format) |
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| 14:29.14 | berlitux | ma3x: does your phone has bluetooth? |
| 14:29.15 | ma3x | berlitux, obexftp -i -x doesn't work as well |
| 14:29.36 | ma3x | berlitux, nope |
| 14:29.37 | berlitux | that for Siemens-phones, only |
| 14:29.51 | ma3x | berlitux, samsung z107 |
| 14:29.51 | berlitux | maybe it is just a bit limited |
| 14:30.11 | ma3x | berlitux, but no problem, I can attach with the usb cable |
| 14:30.14 | ma3x | can obexftp then work? |
| 14:30.15 | comotion | hi all. my apt-get dist-upgrade keeps stalling+timing out in the download phase, and this happens after say 4 to 40 packages have gotten downloaded at regular speed. Any clue what might be happening? |
| 14:30.31 | berlitux | ma3x: maybe, maybe not |
| 14:30.42 | berlitux | it always depends on what the phone supports |
| 14:30.46 | ma3x | berlitux, it's ttyACM0 now |
| 14:30.55 | berlitux | sounds like a modem, then |
| 14:31.06 | berlitux | so it does AT commands |
| 14:31.09 | berlitux | and not obex |
| 14:31.21 | ma3x | berlitux, how do I send sms? what's the command? |
| 14:31.30 | berlitux | or maybe it has a special way to enter obex mode (either encapsulated or transparent) |
| 14:31.35 | ma3x | ccessing device /dev/ttyACM0...done |
| 14:31.35 | ma3x | OK, a modem device is present. |
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| 14:32.14 | berlitux | scmxx --sms --send --number 123 --text "abcdefg" |
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| 14:32.16 | exclude | does anyone know how can make 'find' to print the filenames escaped? |
| 14:32.16 | simonrvn | Retrieving bug reports... 19% [247/1246] |
| 14:32.58 | exclude | currently all I get is stuff like Basement Jaxx, but I want it to print Basement\ Jaxx |
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| 14:33.27 | simonrvn | -printf arg would help. see man page |
| 14:33.36 | Yggdrasil | can somone help me find the ppc etch netinstall kernel and initrd.image ? |
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| 14:34.10 | ma3x | berlitux, Accessing device /dev/ttyS1...Error in flushing buffers: Invalid argument |
| 14:34.29 | berlitux | you might want to add --device /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 14:34.31 | abrotman | oh .. you need a data cable for my phone .. i don't have that |
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| 14:34.32 | ma3x | argh, it's ttyS0 |
| 14:34.33 | kippi | hey |
| 14:34.34 | simonrvn | Yggdrasil: you'd be better off using the sarge stuff.. why do you want that? |
| 14:34.41 | ma3x | berlitux, I attached it now to irda |
| 14:34.47 | comotion | exclude: you could make find print filenames with quotes around with -printf |
| 14:34.47 | kippi | could someone help me install libicu28 |
| 14:34.50 | ma3x | Error: Cannot read from device: Connection timed out |
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| 14:35.01 | exclude | comotion: thanks. |
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| 14:35.03 | berlitux | ma3x: try again |
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| 14:35.10 | Yggdrasil | simonrvn i just want a new kernel. im trying to get a card working... |
| 14:35.16 | berlitux | if --info works... |
| 14:35.16 | ma3x | berlitux, I get flood in dmesg - serial8250: too much work for irq10 |
| 14:35.20 | abrotman | kippi: why doesn't it work? |
| 14:35.25 | Dwonis | exclude, comotion: but will that escape quote chars? |
| 14:35.31 | Yggdrasil | simonrvn if im not mistaken sarge for ppc is using like 1.6.12 ? |
| 14:35.40 | berlitux | ma3x: system problem? |
| 14:35.41 | exclude | Dwonis: comotion -printf "\"%p\"\n" quotes it fine. |
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| 14:35.50 | exclude | Dwonis: i fan use that in a for loop. |
| 14:35.51 | ma3x | berlitux, what kind of system problem? |
| 14:35.55 | exclude | ~can |
| 14:35.57 | Yggdrasil | uh 2.6.12 even. |
| 14:36.00 | Lamperi | Uuh. Joku popittaa |
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| 14:36.03 | kippi | abrotman: can't get it using apt-get and if I build it from the source it still dosn't work |
| 14:36.15 | berlitux | if you get messages like this in dmesg, then the kernel is unhappy |
| 14:36.23 | Dwonis | exclude: It doesn't on my box |
| 14:36.23 | ma3x | yeha :) |
| 14:36.32 | ma3x | i am unhappy too |
| 14:36.38 | berlitux | do you use ACPI? |
| 14:36.45 | Supaplex | or does it use you? |
| 14:36.49 | Dwonis | exclude: touch x\" ; find -type f -printf "\"%p\"\n""./x"" |
| 14:37.02 | simonrvn | Yggdrasil: uh, no. 2.6.8 or 2.4.27 |
| 14:37.05 | abrotman | kippi: why can't you get it from apt-get ? |
| 14:37.11 | Dwonis | exclude: sorry, touch x\" ; find -type f -printf "\"%p\"\n" returns "./x"", which is wrong |
| 14:37.12 | berlitux | Supaplex: we are all slaves of ACPI ;) |
| 14:37.16 | Yggdrasil | im looking for something a bit newer.. than that |
| 14:37.25 | berlitux | except my SparcStation |
| 14:37.32 | tkup | I previously created an LV with about 15GiB size. I then created another LV with 5GiB. I know that the 15GiB LV is much less than 1GiB size. Is there a tool that will reorganize the layout of 15GiB LV so that if I dd if=LV15 of=LV5 bs=1M it won't need to go out of the 5GiB boundary? |
| 14:37.32 | Yggdrasil | im currently running 2.6.12 and im noticing some wierd stuff with this card im trying to use |
| 14:37.42 | exclude | Dwonis: you are right; allthough it gets "" around the name, 'for' still interpretes the spaces as entry separators |
| 14:38.02 | Yggdrasil | somonrvn id like toget up to 2.6.15 ppc kernel |
| 14:38.23 | Supaplex | you could use xargs -0 and find -print0 |
| 14:38.51 | berlitux | ma3x: how did you achieve the info output? you used /dev/ttyUSB2? |
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| 14:39.00 | simonrvn | what's the card? are you trying to install it, or just upgrade the kernel? |
| 14:39.28 | ma3x | ma3x:/home/ma3x# scmxx --device /dev/ttyS1 --info Using "ISO-8859-15" as system character set. Accessing device /dev/ttyS1...Error in flushing buffers: Invalid argument |
| 14:39.39 | ma3x | berlitux, still trying with the ttyS1 |
| 14:39.51 | exclude | Supaplex: how would I use that? |
| 14:40.16 | berlitux | ma3x: you know that with irda you must use /dev/ircomm0? |
| 14:40.31 | ma3x | no idea |
| 14:40.34 | comotion | exclude: screw that :-P I see that what you really want to do is not to quote every file but to run some other script on each file |
| 14:40.43 | ma3x | berlitux, as --device /dev/ircomm0? |
| 14:40.50 | berlitux | yes |
| 14:40.58 | ma3x | berlitux, aaaaah here we go :) |
| 14:41.01 | comotion | exclude: so you should just use the -exec argument. Check the man page to see how it works, check back here when in doubt |
| 14:41.08 | ma3x | berlitux, okay I'll try to send sms now |
| 14:41.14 | azeem | ma3x: do you have the ircomm-tty module loaded? |
| 14:41.15 | exclude | comotion: yes, that or use the -exec in find to do that. |
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| 14:41.55 | Dwonis | comotion, exclude, Supaplex: In general, I think this will always work (though it's a bashism): find -print0 | while IFS= read -r -d $'\0' file ; do foo "$file" ; done |
| 14:42.02 | ma3x | berlitux, Error: An error occured on sending the SMS: +CMS ERROR: 330 |
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| 14:42.13 | comotion | Dwonis: argh mess with IFS and die |
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| 14:42.18 | ma3x | azeem, yes it's loaded |
| 14:42.31 | Dwonis | comotion: actually, I just checked, and IFS isn't needed with that |
| 14:42.45 | Dwonis | comotion: there's another, probably POSIX-compatible, way of doing this with IFS |
| 14:42.47 | exclude | comotion: Dwonis I already tried piping trough sed, but I hoped there was a nicer way |
| 14:42.57 | berlitux | can you additionally run with -vvv and paste that somewhere? |
| 14:43.02 | exclude | for adir in `find /home/music/MyMusic -xargs 0 -print0 -type d -maxdepth 2 -regex '.*/.?/.*' -printf "\"%p\"\n"`; do echo $adir; done |
| 14:43.28 | Dwonis | exclude: Will that expand filenames like x$foo ? |
| 14:44.06 | comotion | find /home/music/MyMusic -xargs 0 -print0 -type d -maxdepth 2 -regex '.*/.?/.* -exec echo '{}' ';' |
| 14:44.24 | exclude | that would find all the dirs like /A/*, B, C and D. I want to use all these dirs (they contain all the artist directories) and ln -s them in a 'per_author' directory |
| 14:44.40 | Dwonis | exclude: find: invalid predicate `-xargs' |
| 14:44.55 | ma3x | berlitux, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3781 |
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| 14:45.21 | ma3x | berlitux, that's the last part of the message |
| 14:45.31 | ma3x | berlitux, there's a little bit more. do you need that info too? |
| 14:45.39 | jelly | exclude: your `find` won't work correctly for paths with spaces. |
| 14:45.48 | exclude | Dwonis: wrong paste by me :$ |
| 14:45.48 | comotion | exclude: indeed, -xargs is not a parameter |
| 14:46.00 | comotion | exclude: find /home/music/MyMusic -xargs 0 -print0 -type d -maxdepth |
| 14:46.09 | comotion | ok that's wrong |
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| 14:46.13 | exclude | find /home/music/MyMusic -type d -maxdepth 2 -regex '.*/.?/.*' -printf "\"%p\"\n" |
| 14:46.15 | ma3x | berlitux, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3782 |
| 14:46.18 | abrotman | how about | xargs |
| 14:47.00 | Dwonis | abrotman: xargs is great as long as you don't want to process the data in your shell script |
| 14:47.03 | berlitux | ma3x: I have to look up what CMS error 330 is, stand by |
| 14:47.22 | ma3x | berlitux, okay |
| 14:47.36 | abrotman | Dwonis: you still can |
| 14:48.15 | Dwonis | abrotman: without executing a sub-shell? |
| 14:48.59 | abrotman | Dwonis: use badgers! |
| 14:49.33 | Dwonis | abrotman: I think you're joking, but I'm not sure. Is badgers some program/technique? |
| 14:49.45 | abrotman | no .. it's sussudio's pet |
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| 14:49.54 | abrotman | :meep |
| 14:49.57 | abrotman | !meep |
| 14:49.58 | dpkg | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/meepcam.jpg |
| 14:50.08 | Dwonis | abrotman: heh |
| 14:50.14 | exclude | abrotman: I don't know xargs really |
| 14:50.21 | abrotman | exclude: what are you trying to do ? |
| 14:50.21 | ma3x | any idea if I can access wap on the mobile telephone with the usb cable? |
| 14:50.53 | ma3x | instead of using gprs and pay everytime at least half an euro, I prefer if I could use the laptops internet |
| 14:50.57 | ma3x | is that not possible? |
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| 14:52.05 | bofh80 | hi people, i just plugged out my celeron 1.7 and plugged in a p4 2.2 . for some reason alsa is working but my sound card aint. ie, alsaconf detects the sound card, loads the drivers, dmesg reports no errors, but i got no sound :) |
| 14:52.38 | exclude | abrotman, I am trying to get escaped paths from 'find' thats all |
| 14:52.46 | asg | bofh80: pump up the volume? |
| 14:52.53 | abrotman | the jam! |
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| 14:53.07 | asg | abrotman: can you pass the jelly? |
| 14:53.11 | bofh80 | dmesg says "pnp: Device 00:0d disabled. pnp: Device 00:0d activated." and snd-mpu401 is the driver :) |
| 14:53.17 | Dwonis | exclude: If you *really* want shell-escaped paths, you can do something like this: find -print0 | perl -e '$/="\0"; while(<>) { s/('\'')/$1\\$1$1/g; print "'\''$_'\''\n"; }' |
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| 14:53.22 | bofh80 | asg, ahh the volume control reports no device :( |
| 14:53.46 | section31 | is there something in linux that compares to m$'s tree utility |
| 14:53.48 | Dwonis | exclude: but whatever you do, remember that quotes, newlines, and literally every byte except / and NUL are allowed as filenames. |
| 14:53.54 | abrotman | asg: only if you promise to smear it on your naked chest and send me pics! |
| 14:54.02 | asg | abrotman: deal |
| 14:54.08 | amphi | section31: tree(1) ;) |
| 14:54.12 | bofh80 | section31, what tree utility? treesize from jam-software? |
| 14:54.12 | exclude | Dwonis: heh. If I go down that route I'd rather write the script in Ruby :) |
| 14:54.16 | section31 | amphi, omg |
| 14:54.17 | abrotman | section31: they told you that last night! |
| 14:54.19 | section31 | haha |
| 14:54.25 | Zuko-Blast | s |
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| 14:54.40 | berlitux | ma3x: 330 means "SMSC address unknown" |
| 14:54.46 | berlitux | you must specify it then |
| 14:54.49 | section31 | COMMAND NOT FOUND |
| 14:54.51 | section31 | oops |
| 14:54.51 | bofh80 | anyway, how do i batter alsa for some errors? |
| 14:54.54 | section31 | sorry about the caps |
| 14:55.00 | exclude | abrotman: this describes about what I want: find /home/music/MyMusic -type d -regex '.*/.?/.*' -maxdepth 2 | sed -e 's/ /\ /g' |
| 14:55.01 | abrotman | section31: did you .. install it ? |
| 14:55.10 | section31 | abrotman, negative |
| 14:55.15 | ma3x | berlitux, what's that and how do I get its value? |
| 14:55.16 | abrotman | exclude: didn't anyone tell you .. spaces in names are evil |
| 14:55.24 | dotCOMmie | is there a wpa_supplicant channel? |
| 14:56.01 | amphi | !tell section31 about installit |
| 14:56.02 | exclude | abrotman: yea, but in this case spaces are made by my (several) media managers. And besides: *nix should be able to cope with filenames. |
| 14:56.17 | abrotman | spaces are evil! |
| 14:56.20 | berlitux | SMSC is the short message service center |
| 14:56.23 | Dwonis | abrotman: No, people who distribute crappy shell scripts that can't handle them are evil. People who use spaces are good because they find all the flaws in said scripts. |
| 14:56.25 | exclude | *any* filenames, IMO. Spaces are perfectly valid acc to POSIX |
| 14:56.29 | berlitux | the server that you send the SMS to |
| 14:56.31 | simonrvn | !kill names with spaces |
| 14:56.38 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 14:56.44 | abrotman | exclude: so you want a list of all music in a subdir ? |
| 14:56.52 | berlitux | usually, with Siemens phones you can set that prior to sending SMS |
| 14:56.59 | abrotman | exclude: or album names ? |
| 14:57.01 | berlitux | as you always use the same one anyway |
| 14:57.02 | bofh80 | hey abrotman help me instead ok :P :) ;) |
| 14:57.10 | abrotman | bofh80: you're beyond help |
| 14:57.21 | exclude | abrotman: nah. I want a list of directory names (= the names of authors) in my /a/ /b/ /c/ etc directories. |
| 14:57.23 | bofh80 | abrotman, that's what the doc said . . . . . . |
| 14:57.32 | berlitux | scmxx is missing an option to set one for a specific short message |
| 14:57.35 | exclude | so that I can symlink them in a /per_author/ dir |
| 14:57.49 | ma3x | berlitux, okay let me try |
| 14:57.51 | berlitux | I'll put it on my todo list |
| 14:57.53 | abrotman | exclude: and find maxdepth=2 doesn't work ? |
| 14:57.55 | dotCOMmie | Does anyone know if one can black list APs in wpa_supplicant by their MAC? |
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| 14:58.13 | abrotman | liar! |
| 14:58.18 | laurens | simonrvn: nay |
| 14:58.22 | laurens | simonrvn: it cant be done |
| 14:58.22 | exclude | abrotman: it does, but it lists mu 'incoming' and 'unsorted' too :p |
| 14:58.28 | laurens | simonrvn: perhaps i should rephrase that |
| 14:58.29 | asg | abrotman: easy if you have a spare partition and debootstrap |
| 14:58.32 | laurens | simonrvn: it can be done *right* |
| 14:58.33 | abrotman | exclude: ok .. so? |
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| 14:58.49 | exclude | abrotman: find comes up with the names with spaces in em. |
| 14:58.52 | Dwonis | simonrvn: I really hope you're sober, or you're going to have one heck of a headache once you've figured out what you've done. |
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| 14:58.57 | simonrvn | yeh, use aptitude to resolve the deps ;) |
| 14:59.02 | laurens | simonrvn: lol |
| 14:59.07 | bofh80 | HAHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 14:59.17 | ma3x | berlitux, whereis ~/.scmxx/config ? |
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| 14:59.20 | simonrvn | i have been sober for a long while now |
| 14:59.21 | laurens | simonrvn: thats a good one. no, really, what are you going to do? |
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| 14:59.23 | exclude | abrotman: when I use that in e.g. a for loop it chokes in the spaces |
| 14:59.26 | bofh80 | simonrvn, going to make it Sarge are you :D :D |
| 14:59.30 | berlitux | ma3x: exactly there |
| 14:59.34 | simonrvn | i'm completely serious |
| 14:59.36 | simonrvn | no, sid |
| 14:59.37 | abrotman | exclude: quote it |
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| 14:59.45 | abrotman | exclude: or use a regex to put \ in |
| 14:59.49 | ma3x | berlitux, ls: /home/ma3x/.scmxx/config: No such file or directory |
| 14:59.49 | simonrvn | the iffy bit is the libc6 downgrade |
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| 15:00.02 | asg | simonrvn: it's easy, just make sure you have a static busybox |
| 15:00.08 | simonrvn | i do ;) |
| 15:00.14 | ma3x | berlitux, nor is it in root |
| 15:00.14 | stew | what a sucky week this is turning into |
| 15:00.20 | bofh80 | is there an alsa channel? :) |
| 15:00.26 | asg | stew: how so? |
| 15:00.30 | simonrvn | @alsa-project? |
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| 15:00.32 | simonrvn | er |
| 15:00.34 | bofh80 | is alsa the recommened sound driver these days anyway? |
| 15:00.36 | simonrvn | #alsa-project? |
| 15:00.36 | berlitux | ma3x: how about creating it? |
| 15:00.41 | simonrvn | yes |
| 15:00.43 | bofh80 | cool |
| 15:00.45 | berlitux | mkdir -p ~/.scmxx |
| 15:00.52 | simonrvn | souns system. there are many drivers |
| 15:00.53 | exclude | abrotman: I think I solbved the issue by *not* using it in a For loop :) |
| 15:00.55 | berlitux | tocuh ~/.scmxx/config |
| 15:00.55 | simonrvn | sound* |
| 15:00.58 | ma3x | berlitux, do you already have a sample of it? |
| 15:01.03 | abrotman | exclude: cheater! |
| 15:01.04 | stew | asg: my wife's main laptop lost its system board last night, i just started getting the "SeekComplete, DriveNotReady" errors on my desktop's only HD |
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| 15:01.13 | ma3x | berlitux, I don't know what options to put in it? format? |
| 15:01.24 | stew | asg: and our currently longest running client just told us he can't afford to pay us |
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| 15:01.29 | asg | stew: ah, ouch. The last one isn't exactly terminal. It's been going on on my gateway for over a year now ;) |
| 15:01.33 | asg | stew: :( |
| 15:01.35 | berlitux | $ cat .scmxx/config |
| 15:01.35 | berlitux | device = bluetooth://[00:01:E3:6A:A5:D3] |
| 15:01.36 | abrotman | stew: i blame the floor! |
| 15:01.46 | chance2105 | Is it possible to get a list of all removed packages that were not purged? |
| 15:01.54 | simonrvn | stew: ouch |
| 15:01.59 | laurens | stew: ouch |
| 15:01.59 | abrotman | chance2105: dpkg -l | grep ^p |
| 15:02.04 | petemc | stew: my largest client can afford to pay me, but is disputing payment |
| 15:02.06 | stew | i know i lost a bunch of sectors from /home |
| 15:02.12 | petemc | fuckers |
| 15:02.25 | asg | petemc: vengance? |
| 15:02.25 | stew | petemc: that's even suckier, i know this guy will pay when he gets the money from his clients |
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| 15:02.37 | abrotman | petemc: throw potatos at him ? |
| 15:02.38 | petemc | i have a poweredge of theirs in my house... |
| 15:02.42 | ma3x | berlitux, can I put there "smsc = 1340713" ? |
| 15:02.51 | berlitux | ma3x: no |
| 15:02.54 | abrotman | how do you lose a mainboard in a laptop ? |
| 15:02.56 | petemc | abrotman: you dont dig the spuds til halloween :) |
| 15:03.02 | berlitux | as I said, not possible, yet |
| 15:03.08 | abrotman | petemc: oh .. |
| 15:03.20 | stew | abrotman: the magic smoke came out of where the fan was supposed to be exhausting but wasn't |
| 15:03.33 | ma3x | berlitux, what other options can I put there |
| 15:03.33 | petemc | abrotman: idaho |
| 15:03.44 | berlitux | ma3x: any |
| 15:03.51 | berlitux | that exists |
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| 15:04.05 | stew | of course the laptop was 39 monts into its 36 month warranty |
| 15:04.05 | abrotman | stew: DOH! |
| 15:04.07 | ma3x | berlitux, but not the actions, right? |
| 15:04.15 | abrotman | stew: it was a dell wasn't it! |
| 15:04.22 | berlitux | wouldn't make sense, I guess |
| 15:04.26 | stew | abrotman: of course not. it was certainly a thinkpad |
| 15:04.38 | stew | it goes into the vireo thinkpad graveyard |
| 15:04.38 | petemc | :) |
| 15:04.39 | abrotman | stew: oh .. weird .. my fan comes on |
| 15:04.39 | ma3x | berlitux, okay let me try sending the sms now |
| 15:04.58 | berlitux | believe me that it will not work |
| 15:05.05 | asg | abrotman: I've never had a dell die funnily enough |
| 15:05.24 | abrotman | asg: that is funny .. not funny haha .. funny weird |
| 15:05.36 | stew | abrotman: you have one with a bad cpu? |
| 15:05.50 | abrotman | stew: no .. but i think you can replace the CPUs .. |
| 15:05.55 | asg | abrotman: yeah, my gateway box has been running now continuously for over 8 years or so. |
| 15:06.13 | abrotman | that'd be fun ... |
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| 15:06.27 | asg | abrotman: before or after you wipe? |
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| 15:07.12 | abrotman | stew: is the wife rough with laptops ? |
| 15:07.24 | bofh80 | yoohoo, this my part of my /dev/sndstat ""Installed drivers: / Type 10: ALSA emulation / Card config: /MPU-401 UART at 0x330, irq 10 / Audio devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG" << is that last line / correct? |
| 15:07.36 | RichiH_ | abrotman: he usually can not sit right for _days_ |
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| 15:07.53 | abrotman | RichiH_: eww |
| 15:07.56 | simonrvn | esp. when hit by a bong |
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| 15:08.14 | stew | abrotman: she is |
| 15:08.16 | yang | is there a skype version for debian (backports?) |
| 15:08.26 | ma3x | berlitux, what will not work? |
| 15:08.28 | fujihc | hi |
| 15:08.39 | bofh80 | can someone check their /dev/sndstat and tell me if that last bit should be not enabled in config!?! |
| 15:08.40 | stew | abrotman: i don't think a cpu went bad, i think a capacitor that was part of the fan control went bad |
| 15:08.52 | fujihc | I want to ask someone if knows how to install the new kernel on sid |
| 15:09.01 | fujihc | thanx in advance |
| 15:09.02 | simonrvn | you mean /proc maybe? |
| 15:09.06 | faked | yang, yes |
| 15:09.12 | RichiH_ | !install kernel |
| 15:09.12 | dpkg | methinks real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
| 15:09.24 | asg | fujihc: apt-get install linux-image (pick and install one from the list that suits you) |
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| 15:09.31 | abrotman | stew: oh .. well .. you could replace it .. maybe not worth it |
| 15:09.38 | yang | faked: where? |
| 15:09.42 | ma3x | berlitux, Error: you must specifiy a valid memory type. |
| 15:09.50 | bofh80 | my girlfriensd little brother unhooked the heatskink on his p4 2.8 without noticing, ran it for a week befor eit died |
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| 15:10.16 | fujihc | many thanx asg |
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| 15:10.37 | fujihc | I dont'want to wait to compile :) |
| 15:10.48 | berlitux | ma3x: then your arguments are incomplete |
| 15:11.00 | faked | yang, http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-beta-1.3.0.37-1_i386.deb |
| 15:11.10 | yang | faked: http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=30291 |
| 15:11.20 | simonrvn | old factoid... |
| 15:11.25 | yang | faked: it's stated as broken |
| 15:11.32 | stew | abrotman: when we have looked in the past, it was not much more expensive to replace the old machine with a newer faster one than it was to replace the system board in the 3 year old one |
| 15:11.41 | simonrvn | heh |
| 15:11.42 | stew | abrotman: which is why there is a vireo thinkpad graveyard |
| 15:11.45 | faked | yang, its not broken to me |
| 15:11.57 | yang | faked: ok i will try, do you have sarge? |
| 15:12.01 | abrotman | stew: well .. IBM official parts are very expensive .. but you can get them on ebay or some other place for usually way way cheaper |
| 15:12.20 | faked | yang, the version of your link is 1.2, the version I use is 1.3 |
| 15:12.25 | faked | yang, sid |
| 15:12.28 | stew | abrotman: yeah, we already bought a replacement "part" on ebay, in the form of a z60 |
| 15:12.33 | yang | faked: i need it for etch |
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| 15:12.39 | abrotman | stew: hehe .. good deal! |
| 15:12.53 | abrotman | stew: though .. the prices of the IBM refurb stuff isn't bad either |
| 15:12.54 | faked | yang, it works an etch too |
| 15:13.02 | abrotman | (though it helps when you've a friend at IBM) |
| 15:13.10 | ma3x | berlitux, Error: unknown cause |
| 15:13.12 | yang | faked: excellent |
| 15:13.18 | simonrvn | why i', doing this is because gcc 4.1 is giving me headaches... trying to "compile" the dumb nvidia non-free driver ... bleh |
| 15:13.29 | fas3r | what's the name of the file containt all user it's in /etc/group ? |
| 15:13.38 | petemc | passwd |
| 15:13.50 | fas3r | ha yes passwd |
| 15:13.53 | ma3x | berlitux, this is the command I use scmxx --sms --send --number 0681268812 --text "abcdefg" --device /dev/ircomm0 --set-smsc -n 0033696201000 -vvv' |
| 15:13.56 | fas3r | thx petemc |
| 15:14.00 | ma3x | berlitux, do you want the output pasted? |
| 15:14.36 | stew | abrotman: yeah, dead machine and replacement machine are both refurbs |
| 15:14.40 | simonrvn | and i know debian's works ;) |
| 15:14.54 | abrotman | stew: tell her to stop dropping them! |
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| 15:15.06 | Fox | ma3x: that's the real phone number ? :) |
| 15:15.26 | ma3x | yeah :p |
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| 15:15.48 | ma3x | i wouldn't give you the real one fox |
| 15:15.49 | simonrvn | they mokneyed with libc6, and builds error out because of it. so glibc 2.4 goes out the window |
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| 15:16.53 | simonrvn | and, sid's stuff is more up to date |
| 15:16.59 | ma3x | berlitux, you still there? |
| 15:17.16 | ma3x | sid's stuff is great! |
| 15:17.29 | ma3x | like a big fuc=king great weed |
| 15:17.39 | ma3x | lol :p just kidding |
| 15:17.48 | simonrvn | i run sid, but don't fuck with my toolchain or glibc :) |
| 15:18.05 | ma3x | me neither |
| 15:18.18 | ma3x | simonrvn, do you have firefox? |
| 15:18.30 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 15:19.27 | simonrvn | why? |
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| 15:19.45 | ma3x | just wanted to ask you to open a site to test something |
| 15:19.52 | ma3x | but with the new updates firefox got stable |
| 15:20.01 | simonrvn | i don't have x running right now |
| 15:20.13 | Supaplex | real men use netcat for web browsing |
| 15:20.18 | ma3x | you know if you have the flash plugin and if you go to stupidvideos.com firefox crashes |
| 15:20.22 | ma3x | but that seems to be allright now |
| 15:20.22 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 15:20.47 | ma3x | they've stabilized it now. |
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| 15:20.55 | ma3x | too bad no shockwave player yet |
| 15:21.18 | simonrvn | the 1.5.0.7 update? yeh, they did stuff for it, i didn't see the changelog |
| 15:21.26 | yang | faked: whcih tool did you need to tune-in microphone? |
| 15:21.51 | faked | yang, if you use kde, then use "kmix" |
| 15:22.05 | stew | it would be great if pvmove actually told me that it was doing anything |
| 15:22.06 | simonrvn | alsamixer |
| 15:22.15 | stew | i have a feeling i'll be hugging my backups later today |
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| 15:23.13 | Matt___ | anybody use google earth on sid? |
| 15:23.25 | ma3x | how do I list the changes for firefox? |
| 15:23.26 | simonrvn | i have... it's crashy, but it works |
| 15:23.31 | ma3x | apt-listchanges firefox crashes |
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| 15:23.56 | berlitux | ma3x: yes, please paste it |
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| 15:24.12 | simonrvn | ma3x: /usr/share/doc/<package>/changlog.Debian ; but i was talking about the upstream changelog |
| 15:24.18 | simonrvn | changelog* |
| 15:24.21 | berlitux | for me, apt-listchanges does not display anything on upgrade :-( |
| 15:24.40 | berlitux | not even NEWS.Debian files |
| 15:24.43 | berlitux | absolutely nothing |
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| 15:25.21 | MDCore | hey guys.. I'm a bit stuck here.. I tried installing a package (jedit) manually and now things are messed: I can't remove it or install anything else. my error is "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-removal script: No such file or directory" |
| 15:25.36 | Matt___ | simonrvn: did you have that tiny font problem? |
| 15:25.37 | abrotman | jedit isn't in debian .. last i knew |
| 15:25.45 | MDCore | ja.. it isn't. |
| 15:25.56 | abrotman | MDCore: paste the whole error |
| 15:25.57 | abrotman | !paster |
| 15:25.57 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 15:26.05 | simonrvn | Matt___: yeh. seems it's affected by the dpi setting for X |
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| 15:26.27 | MDCore | hmm.. I'm wondering now... let me ask in #ubuntu first. It's not an ubunti package either, but I downloaded a .deb file |
| 15:26.41 | simonrvn | Matt___: also whether or not bitstream vera gets found; it was installed, but it didn't find it, so in one run it looked ok |
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| 15:27.14 | Matt___ | bitstream was found |
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| 15:27.28 | Matt___ | heres the thing... i was able to fix the font editer the file guifontsize |
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| 15:27.33 | MDCore | okay, pastied here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3784 |
| 15:27.43 | Matt___ | and if i run as root, the fonts are fine, if i run as user they are not changed |
| 15:27.49 | ma3x | berlitux, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3785 |
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| 15:28.00 | abrotman | too many f'in nicks starting with 'm' |
| 15:28.08 | MDCore | :) |
| 15:28.23 | abrotman | does that mean .. there is no post-install script ? |
| 15:28.24 | kippi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.02 | MDCore | abrotman: it looks like it. |
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| 15:29.18 | MDCore | abrotman: I'm starting to think that trying to install the .deb on ubuntu was a bad idea. |
| 15:29.23 | cydork | MDCore: create one, with exit 0 :) |
| 15:29.25 | simonrvn | Matt___: which file? |
| 15:29.36 | azeem | MDCore: yep |
| 15:29.38 | Matt___ | guifontsize |
| 15:29.42 | yang | faked: kmix doesn't have a possibility to record/play sound sample |
| 15:29.47 | simonrvn | in ~/.googleearth? |
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| 15:29.55 | azeem | MDCore: just create a bogus postrm script |
| 15:30.09 | MDCore | cydork, azeem: sorry, I'm pretty new to linux; I did think about that.. but wasn't sure where to put it |
| 15:30.31 | azeem | MDCore: in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 15:30.36 | MDCore | aaah |
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| 15:31.05 | abrotman | MDCore: yes .. and for that .. you should ask #ubuntu :) |
| 15:31.24 | simonrvn | Matt___: where was this file? |
| 15:31.29 | MDCore | :) ja, that's all the info I need.. fantastic it's all there. |
| 15:31.42 | MDCore | I'm not afraid of the console or the system or anything... it's just a case of "not knowing where things are" at the moment. |
| 15:32.26 | Matt___ | im looking for it, but i think its somewhere in /.googleearth |
| 15:32.27 | abrotman | MDCore: and tell the jedit people to fix their stuff |
| 15:33.35 | cbr | why do i need mesa on my system? doesnt nvidia-glx replace mesa? |
| 15:33.43 | simonrvn | ~/.googleearth/Registry/google/googleearthplus/User/render/guifontsize |
| 15:33.48 | simonrvn | Matt___: ^^ |
| 15:34.02 | Matt___ | simonrvn: yeah yeah |
| 15:34.08 | Persilon | Hi I'm trying to configure bind with rndc but I get an error saying it doesn't recognize the "controls" statement in named.conf.options |
| 15:34.31 | Matt___ | yeah, mine didnt show because i havent updatedb in a while |
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| 15:34.42 | simonrvn | it was set at 8 FFS |
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| 15:35.01 | simonrvn | wth |
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| 15:35.05 | yang | how do i check if my microphone works? |
| 15:35.11 | Ronin | yang: speak into it? |
| 15:35.14 | simonrvn | talk into it? |
| 15:35.20 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 15:35.26 | yang | Ronin: yes, with which program can i record a sample |
| 15:35.46 | simonrvn | you don't need to record from it to test it |
| 15:35.53 | disasm | hey, anyone have any ideas as to how to get a custom debian kernel (using kernel-package) that has it's headers or the whole source tree so things like lirc can be compiled for that kernel? |
| 15:36.07 | yang | well i know that it works, but i would like to set the mic on linux |
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| 15:36.45 | simonrvn | disasm: see binary-arch target in man make-kpkg |
| 15:37.00 | simonrvn | or the --targets option |
| 15:37.10 | ste | hi all. I have fc-cache giving me "failed to write cache" several times (using sid) |
| 15:37.43 | MDCore | you... guys... rock. Thanks a stack. |
| 15:37.47 | ste | in path that do exist and are writable (running as root) |
| 15:37.47 | MDCore | that fixed it. |
| 15:38.07 | ma3x | berlitux, unsolvable? |
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| 15:38.39 | ma3x | azeem, seems scmxx is really working only with siemens. you got siemens? |
| 15:38.47 | azeem | yes :) |
| 15:38.59 | abrotman | my phone is a crappy siemens apparnetly |
| 15:39.00 | azeem | German engineering in the house |
| 15:39.02 | ma3x | so it must be easy for you |
| 15:39.11 | berlitux | ma3x: i'll ty with a future release |
| 15:39.34 | simonrvn | brb |
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| 15:40.28 | yang | I think I must download some drivers for my microphone...only speakers work for me |
| 15:40.29 | ma3x | berlitux, how do i put myself on the list, to be notified of the release |
| 15:40.29 | berlitux | maybe you can summarize the problem from above with the verbose ouput (like the CMS ERROR) and attach it to the bug report |
| 15:40.29 | berlitux | you'll automatically get notified when the bug report is closed |
| 15:40.33 | msn | I am having a problem booting up deb netinstall. I think its a hardware prob bt cant figure where to look. the system startsup the CD is detected and the debian install appears and then it hangs |
| 15:41.06 | ma3x | okay |
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| 15:42.12 | Knight_Lord | How can i convert a PDF to HTML? |
| 15:42.22 | Knight_Lord | I'm actually generating th PDF from latex if that helps |
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| 15:42.41 | disasm | Knight_Lord: pdftohtml |
| 15:42.51 | Gathond | Knight_Lord: there is a latex2html thing iirc |
| 15:44.36 | Knight_Lord | thanks |
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| 15:45.42 | Knight_Lord | disasm pdftohtml is quite horrible i have to say |
| 15:47.02 | cahoot | yang: not a snd-hda-intel card by chance? |
| 15:47.22 | yang | cahoot: no my motherboard is asus |
| 15:47.46 | cahoot | yang: yes but what alsa module ? |
| 15:48.24 | yang | ii alsa-base 1.0.11-2 |
| 15:48.58 | simonrvn | i think he meant the driver... |
| 15:49.58 | yang | also my microphone behind on PC goes to which plug (blue) (green=speakers) (pink) ? |
| 15:50.25 | berlitux | green is out |
| 15:50.32 | simonrvn | should be a symbol there |
| 15:50.32 | berlitux | pink is microfone |
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| 15:50.50 | simonrvn | bah, new school stuff... |
| 15:51.20 | berlitux | color matching :) |
| 15:51.20 | yang | it's plugged into pink now, but still no sound when i use skype |
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| 15:51.38 | simonrvn | well skype is also a POS, but whatever ;) |
| 15:51.45 | berlitux | well, you must set up the mixer |
| 15:51.54 | yang | i tried with kmix |
| 15:51.56 | berlitux | capture up and unmuting the micro |
| 15:52.06 | yang | but there are no possibilities of recording a short sample |
| 15:52.18 | berlitux | sadly, ALSA has not standard names and layouts, all depends on the driver :-( |
| 15:52.27 | simonrvn | do what he said first otherwise it's pointless |
| 15:52.54 | yang | so i need to check for alsa driver |
| 15:52.57 | berlitux | some chips also have a switch between two microfone inputs |
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| 15:53.30 | simonrvn | run alsamixer, you won't go wrong.. very simple ui |
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| 15:54.13 | yipe | experimental /= Sid? :| |
| 15:54.13 | asg | yipe: /msg dpkg releases |
| 15:54.16 | yang | simonrvn: all things in alsamixergui are non-coloured except microphone has 2 red circles |
| 15:54.16 | Ronin | yang: sarge=stable |
| 15:54.18 | simonrvn | no |
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| 15:54.34 | Ronin | doh, damn tab complete |
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| 15:56.04 | yang | simonrvn: card says VIA 8237 |
| 15:56.04 | mortalguy | How do I stop a service (cups)? |
| 15:56.04 | yipe | so, in order of stability, there's stable, testing, unstable, experimental? |
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| 15:56.09 | asg | mortalguy: /etc/init.d/<foo> stop |
| 15:56.12 | BiLLOU95-Taf | lo all |
| 15:56.13 | mortalguy | thanks |
| 15:56.13 | azeem | yipe: sort of |
| 15:56.19 | azeem | experimental is not a full dist |
| 15:56.25 | azeem | it only has a few select packages |
| 15:56.38 | yipe | okay |
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| 15:56.42 | BiLLOU95-Taf | i have a little but noob question: how to change permissions and edit the sources.list even when i chmod 777 it says that the file is readonly |
| 15:56.45 | BiLLOU95-Taf | ? |
| 15:56.54 | Ronin | BiLLOU95-Taf: why not just edit it as root? |
| 15:56.59 | simonrvn | um |
| 15:57.00 | BiLLOU95-Taf | i do |
| 15:57.05 | BiLLOU95-Taf | vi sources.list |
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| 15:57.09 | asg | BiLLOU95-Taf: 1, never use chmod 777. 2, lsattr /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:57.10 | BiLLOU95-Taf | logged as root |
| 15:57.31 | BiLLOU95-Taf | okay done |
| 15:57.33 | BiLLOU95-Taf | then ? |
| 15:57.38 | BiLLOU95-Taf | vi says the file is readonly |
| 15:57.42 | BiLLOU95-Taf | every time i try to save |
| 15:57.44 | simonrvn | his rootfs might be remounted r/o |
| 15:57.50 | asg | BiLLOU95-Taf: if you see anything other than '----------------- /etc/apt/sources.list' for the output of lsattr, man chattr |
| 15:58.05 | BiLLOU95-Taf | no i see this --------------- |
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| 15:58.12 | asg | BiLLOU95-Taf: then see what simonrvn said above |
| 15:58.34 | BiLLOU95-Taf | hmm my rootfs ? |
| 15:58.38 | simonrvn | / |
| 15:58.48 | asg | BiLLOU95-Taf: touch /foo (does that give you an error) |
| 15:59.01 | BiLLOU95-Taf | no |
| 15:59.10 | asg | BiLLOU95-Taf: does /foo now exist? |
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| 15:59.38 | BiLLOU95-Taf | where ? |
| 15:59.42 | asg | BiLLOU95-Taf: ls -l /foo |
| 15:59.55 | BiLLOU95-Taf | yes okay |
| 15:59.57 | BiLLOU95-Taf | it exist |
| 16:00.01 | yang | simonrvn: |
| 16:00.03 | yang | Card: VIA 8237 | |
| 16:00.03 | yang | | Chip: C-Media Electronics CMI9761 |
| 16:00.04 | asg | then '/' isn't mounted ro |
| 16:00.28 | simonrvn | i didn't want that, cahoot did |
| 16:00.30 | asg | BiLLOU95-Taf: it is likely some form of filesystem corruption. 'touch /forcefsck ; reboot' |
| 16:00.44 | cydork | BiLLOU95-Taf: ls -ld /etc/apt |
| 16:00.49 | sphenxes | is debian 64amd offecial or still unoffecial version |
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| 16:01.08 | asg | cydork: the directory perms should have no effect on the editability of the file as root |
| 16:01.20 | stew | sphenxes: unofficial for stable, official for testing unstable. will be official for stable at the next release |
| 16:01.28 | clownish | hey my laptop allways givs me the error select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out on boot.. i googled and found the solution that i have to add CLOCKFLAGS="--directisa"... but i dont know where. any body can help me? |
| 16:01.31 | cydork | asg: ya i guess so, |
| 16:01.32 | sphenxes | stew, thanks |
| 16:01.42 | BiLLOU95-Taf | i reboot my system |
| 16:01.59 | FernandoMM | Hello, i have installed gmailfs (apt-get install gmailfs) and i really don't know how can i mount it. Could someone help me? |
| 16:02.16 | asg | FernandoMM: start with /usr/share/doc/gmailfs/README* |
| 16:02.58 | garo | The openntpd package includes /etc/openntpd/ntpd.conf instead of /etc/ntpd.conf , but in it's manual page (/usr/share/man/man8/ntpd.8.gz) I see '/etc/ntpd.conf default ntpd configuration file'. |
| 16:03.00 | asg | FernandoMM: and 'http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html' (from apt-cache show gmailfs) |
| 16:03.08 | garo | Can someone explain this ? |
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| 16:03.32 | asg | garo: file a bug (unless it's mentioned in /usr/share/doc/openntpd/*) |
| 16:03.45 | FernandoMM | asg: thanks |
| 16:03.48 | BiLLOU95-Taf | it worked ! |
| 16:03.50 | BiLLOU95-Taf | thanks |
| 16:04.04 | asg | garo: it's possible that it honors both but the documentation should bear that out. |
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| 16:04.52 | BiLLOU95-Taf | have a nice day :) |
| 16:05.04 | simonrvn | garo: the man page is wrong |
| 16:05.34 | simonrvn | file a bug report |
| 16:05.58 | yang | simonrvn: alsamixer also says MIC [off] |
| 16:06.15 | simonrvn | yang: so turn it on... |
| 16:06.27 | yang | simonrvn: yes, but where? |
| 16:06.33 | simonrvn | in alsamixer |
| 16:06.38 | FernandoMM | asg: i mounted it (at least i didn't got any error) but when i try df it doesn't show anything about gmailfs |
| 16:06.54 | yang | simonrvn: its hard to navigate there... |
| 16:07.11 | sphenxes | is there anything planned for linux to look like Vista (mean 3 dimensional) or it will be only windows fantasy? |
| 16:07.21 | simonrvn | not really.. f5, then scroll left-right with the arrow keys |
| 16:08.06 | helmut | sphenxes: google for xgl or composite extension. |
| 16:08.06 | simonrvn | up-down for up or down levels |
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| 16:08.21 | section31 | what's the fastest way to get a directory filesize |
| 16:08.29 | sphenxes | helmut, thanks |
| 16:08.32 | yang | simonrvn: ah yes, no wonder f5 doesnt work in Konsole |
| 16:08.36 | helmut | section31: you mean like du? |
| 16:08.38 | petemc | section31: du -hs |
| 16:09.04 | simonrvn | if you read the little guide at the top, you see what f5 does |
| 16:09.10 | section31 | petemc, that'll work |
| 16:09.45 | yang | simonrvn: must be that all done with root? |
| 16:09.51 | simonrvn | no |
| 16:10.01 | simonrvn | you're not in group audio then |
| 16:10.05 | asg | FernandoMM: hmmm, I don't run it so I can't say. Did you check Richard Jones' website for tips? |
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| 16:11.08 | pitio | ./msg dpkg gz |
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| 16:11.39 | asg | pitio: ? |
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| 16:12.02 | pitio | sorry i putted a . infront xD trying to find out how can i untar a .gz file :) |
| 16:12.07 | asg | pitio: /msg dpkg tar |
| 16:12.20 | Guza | can some one help |
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| 16:12.25 | pitio | thx |
| 16:12.29 | Guza | me i have problems with gcc |
| 16:12.45 | asg | Guza: and the problem is? |
| 16:12.57 | Guza | i cant install gcc |
| 16:13.02 | simonrvn | being too vague |
| 16:13.05 | asg | Guza: apt-get install build-essential |
| 16:13.06 | stew | !b-e Guza |
| 16:13.06 | helmut | Guza: please be more precise. ;-) |
| 16:13.06 | dpkg | Guza: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 16:13.07 | Guza | pvt pls |
| 16:13.08 | yang | simonrvn: no such user "audio" |
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| 16:13.15 | stew | yang: adduser yang audio |
| 16:13.18 | iostream | How can i redirect stdout to a file and stderr to a pipe? |
| 16:13.27 | simonrvn | it's a group... read ^^. do what stew said |
| 16:13.33 | helmut | iostream: 2&>1 >file |
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| 16:13.53 | iostream | helmut: More like cmd 2> filename | sterr goes here.. |
| 16:14.04 | yang | The user `yang' is already a member of `audio'. |
| 16:14.08 | iostream | helmut: except that, that doesnt work |
| 16:14.08 | FernandoMM | asg: yes, i checked it, but still can't make it work :/ |
| 16:14.18 | simonrvn | ok so you shouldn't have problems then |
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| 16:14.38 | yang | simonrvn: maybe its something with skype configuration... |
| 16:14.50 | helmut | iostream: what's wrong with my solution? |
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| 16:14.51 | asg | FernandoMM: hmmm, dunno. Ask again and maybe someone else who uses it knows. Also, check /var/log/syslog for any errors that might have been logged. |
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| 16:15.09 | Gathond | iostream: I think helmut's would actually work if you put a | after the thing, that or perhaps using 2| if the same applies there as with > |
| 16:15.22 | iostream | helmut: Your solutions redirect stderr to stdout causing all output to go to the file? |
| 16:15.23 | simonrvn | no, turn on your mic first |
| 16:15.36 | helmut | iostream: no, >file 2>&1 would do that |
| 16:15.37 | Gathond | iostream: no |
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| 16:16.20 | yang | simonrvn: I am not that dumb, the mic is on the "on" plug, and I have un-muted it in alsamixer |
| 16:16.45 | simonrvn | ok. and no i didn't say you were dumb |
| 16:16.59 | berlitux | yang: did you test with something else than skype |
| 16:17.01 | berlitux | ? |
| 16:17.08 | yang | simonrvn: the question is does "pink" plugin really belong to microhone, or is it supposed to be in blue :) |
| 16:17.21 | yang | berlitux: nope, i dont have any other tool |
| 16:17.23 | berlitux | blue is normall line-in |
| 16:17.36 | simonrvn | yang: i don't know, this is why i proposed using the symbols on the back |
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| 16:17.40 | Guza | Depends: gcc (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed |
| 16:17.40 | Guza | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.40 | Guza | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.40 | Guza | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:17.44 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 16:17.54 | Guza | it is not work |
| 16:18.04 | simonrvn | don't paste here please |
| 16:18.10 | yang | simonrvn: i guess i should read up in the motherboard manual |
| 16:18.11 | asg | Guza: because you've broken something in your sources. Put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 16:18.11 | Guza | apt-get install build-essential |
| 16:18.13 | Guza | ok |
| 16:18.15 | Guza | sory |
| 16:18.32 | _henri | exit |
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| 16:18.57 | berlitux | skype is not the preferred method to test the micro |
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| 16:19.19 | Guza | pasbin? |
| 16:19.25 | Guza | pastbin* |
| 16:19.27 | berlitux | yang: you could try to produce a feedback |
| 16:19.31 | simonrvn | !paster |
| 16:19.31 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 16:19.50 | simonrvn | !pastebin |
| 16:19.50 | dpkg | i heard pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 16:20.05 | berlitux | turn up microfone, capture and master to full, enable micro as recording source |
| 16:20.34 | Guza | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3786. |
| 16:20.47 | berlitux | and yeah: do not forget the microphone boost, many chipset need that |
| 16:20.49 | asg | berlitux: at those levels, he'll hear the bugs plotting the overthrow of the human race |
| 16:21.14 | berlitux | but he'll hear if the microfone is working :) |
| 16:21.15 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 16:21.44 | Guza | and can u help me ? :( |
| 16:22.14 | yang | the microphone is on "pink" |
| 16:22.19 | asg | Guza: well, non-US isn't necessary anymore. Also, what happens if you do 'apt-get update ; apt-get -f install' |
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| 16:22.20 | yang | according to MB |
| 16:22.48 | Knight_Lord | Where can i find a decent download counter? |
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| 16:23.05 | asg | Guza: also, is this an official Debian mirror or something else? |
| 16:23.18 | stew | ooh a woody / sarge mix |
| 16:23.30 | Guza | i dont know |
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| 16:23.41 | Guza | i first time see debian |
| 16:23.41 | simonrvn | yikes |
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| 16:23.47 | stew | Guza: you should get rid of the "woody" sources, and run aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 16:23.58 | stew | Guza: you should NOT use apt-get for this, but aptitude |
| 16:24.06 | Guza | :D |
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| 16:24.16 | FernandoMM | Hello, where can i find kernel 2.6 images for k6 processors? |
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| 16:24.29 | stew | Guza: you are likely running a mix of woody and sarge, sarge replaces woody as the current stable about 1.5 years ago |
| 16:24.40 | Guza | lol |
| 16:24.52 | Guza | i fix problems |
| 16:24.55 | Guza | tnx |
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| 16:25.08 | Guza | i love u guys |
| 16:25.08 | Guza | :D |
| 16:25.14 | jin | lol |
| 16:25.16 | vertigo | fernandomm, apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 16:25.32 | helmut | linux-image bei neueren system |
| 16:25.34 | helmut | +en |
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| 16:25.44 | FernandoMM | vertigo: there is no image to k6 processors |
| 16:26.23 | vertigo | doesent it list 586? |
| 16:26.35 | Braindead | 486 |
| 16:26.52 | helmut | oops languages mixed. |
| 16:26.57 | Braindead | ja |
| 16:26.58 | vertigo | well, maybe you should just go with the 386 |
| 16:27.01 | FernandoMM | no, only 386, 686 and k7 |
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| 16:27.18 | MindCr | FernandoMM, use 386 |
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| 16:29.41 | Matt___ | is there a command line text editor? |
| 16:29.48 | LinuxHelp | nano |
| 16:29.48 | helmut | ed? |
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| 16:30.02 | berlitux | emacs :) |
| 16:30.14 | asg | !start an editor war |
| 16:30.14 | dpkg | emacs users need to get laid |
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| 16:30.21 | LinuxHelp | !nano |
| 16:30.21 | dpkg | well, nano is at http://www.nano-editor.org/, or a DFSG-free alternative to pico, or 10^-9, or for old koreans |
| 16:30.36 | LinuxHelp | for old koreans lol |
| 16:30.59 | limpio | Matt___, debian comes with nano, ed, nvi, by default, i use joe, but that's me... |
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| 16:32.29 | LinuxHelp | Does anybody know how I can login via XDMCP to my already logged in local session? (GDM 2.14.5) |
| 16:33.41 | LinuxHelp | !anybody |
| 16:33.41 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 16:41.41 | yang | berlitux: I installed krecord, but still no sound there |
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| 16:42.48 | jcuk | Can i write the netinst iso to my usb flash drive and boot the install from that? |
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| 16:43.52 | Slick | wow |
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| 16:44.01 | Slick | 700 users in 1 channel damn |
| 16:44.01 | Slick | nice |
| 16:44.22 | jade | want to use debootstrap to install sarge on an etch system. there was a suggestion to mv /usr over, but it seems there should be additional configuration steps to have a good sarge install. any ideas? |
| 16:44.24 | stew | jcuk: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 16:44.25 | jcuk | quite a lot of punters ! |
| 16:45.12 | jcuk | wahh doesent matter already started writing to the dvd lol :P |
| 16:45.13 | stew | jade: moving /usr from a sarge to an etch system doens't really make sense. |
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| 16:45.26 | stew | jade: using debootstrap makes sense if you want to run etch inside a chroot on sarge |
| 16:45.31 | Slick | fucking morons |
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| 16:45.55 | rsimpkins | Is there something similar to 'yum check-upgrade' for apt? I want to create a script that e-mails me what packages are ready for upgrade, if there are new packages avaiable. Any help here would be great - even if you know what man page I should read. |
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| 16:46.21 | asg | rsimpkins: cron-apt |
| 16:47.17 | rsimpkins | asg: I don't want it to automatically upgrade, just send me a list of packages to upgrade. Do you know if cron-apt can do that? |
| 16:47.25 | berlitux | apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade -s |
| 16:47.27 | jade | stew, what about running sarge inside a chroot on etch? |
| 16:47.37 | asg | rsimpkins: it can be configured to simply mail you when updates are available |
| 16:47.40 | stew | jade: same deal |
| 16:47.48 | rsimpkins | asg: Cool. I'll take a look, thanks. |
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| 16:48.09 | jcuk | ive just begun learning c++ at college, so im using c devel studio 06 on winxp just now, what sort of development software for c++ would you recommend on linux? |
| 16:48.10 | asg | rsimpkins: it can automatically download (but not install) said updates so they are ready for you the next morning |
| 16:48.25 | rsimpkins | asg: That might be helpful. |
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| 16:48.30 | berlitux | jcuk: kdevelop |
| 16:48.35 | asg | jcuk: an editor and the build-essential package |
| 16:48.42 | jcuk | righto! :) |
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| 16:48.59 | asg | jcuk: there are GUI DEs available but I've never used one |
| 16:49.00 | asg | bah |
| 16:49.12 | berlitux | me neither |
| 16:49.40 | berlitux | text mode editors can be equally comfortable |
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| 16:50.12 | berlitux | mode GUI IDEs lack proper alignment and indenting |
| 16:50.36 | berlitux | don't know why but the authors of those just don't get it right |
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| 16:50.50 | berlitux | although it's not even difficult |
| 16:50.58 | jade | the etch kernel was able to install due to the SATA drivers recognizing the hd. i want a sarge install though, so i was to use debootstrap to install sarge debian in a directory /usr-sarge, then boot from the etch cd and swap the filesystem over, but leaving the kernel in /boot and the filesystem in usr. would this work? |
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| 16:51.14 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 16:51.14 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 16:51.17 | valdyn | jade: ^^^ |
| 16:51.53 | valdyn | jade: sarge with an etch kernel might not be a good idea like you're trying it |
| 16:51.53 | berlitux | dpkg: I would recommend not using udev in this case |
| 16:51.55 | stew | jade: did you try the 2.6 kernel installer? or only the (default) 2.4 kernel? |
| 16:52.01 | cydork | jcuk: eclipse is good but you also eclipse-cdt for c++, but somehow i feel it's too bloated. |
| 16:52.03 | stew | berlitux: what would you recommend? |
| 16:52.06 | dotCOMmie | berlitux: probably because writing something like that it would have to be very dynamic everyone has different preferences and in the end you get something more bloated than emacs |
| 16:52.13 | stew | berlitux: if you are coming from a 2.4 kernel you have no choice |
| 16:52.19 | stew | berlitux: besides compiling yourself |
| 16:52.22 | Althaser | someone could tell me what commands is behind logout or shutdown at the main menu (GNOME) ??? pleasee |
| 16:52.38 | berlitux | stew: exactly |
| 16:52.48 | abrotman | Althaser: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 16:52.56 | Althaser | abrotman thanks ;) |
| 16:52.56 | stew | berlitux: exactly what? compile yourself instead of using a debian kernel? |
| 16:52.57 | berlitux | special needs are best fit by self-compiling |
| 16:53.01 | jade | stew, i tried the debian-31r3-i386-netinst.iso installer initially, which did not have the right drivers to recognize the SATA |
| 16:53.11 | abrotman | jade: which controller? |
| 16:53.18 | berlitux | and you avoid lots of traps like initramfs and all that |
| 16:53.23 | jcuk | some people have tried self compiling before..and failed :o (me!!) |
| 16:53.24 | dotCOMmie | jade: I didnt either but it used some legacy support |
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| 16:53.37 | stew | jade: that installer has a 2.4 kernel which it uses by default but also has a 2.6 kernel it will use if you type "linux26" at the boot: prompt |
| 16:53.47 | berlitux | just use the .config from an etch kernel :) |
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| 16:53.56 | dotCOMmie | jade: I've seen some page about installing linux on sata computers |
| 16:54.09 | stew | berlitux: if you use the .config from an etch kernel you have to use an initial ramfs |
| 16:54.30 | dotCOMmie | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 16:54.30 | berlitux | well, you could edit it before compiling |
| 16:54.30 | dotCOMmie | jade: thats for you |
| 16:54.42 | valdyn | dotCOMmie: that site isnt really useful for him |
| 16:54.53 | stew | berlitux: running udev and intramfs is a much better solution for most of the users in here |
| 16:54.57 | berlitux | like taking out the initramfs option and compiling it needed filesystems and disk drive controller drivers |
| 16:55.10 | berlitux | but not in stable |
| 16:55.17 | jade | abrotman, ATI 437A SATA |
| 16:55.22 | berlitux | you need a current udev for current kernel |
| 16:55.33 | abrotman | uhm .. anyone wanna take bets if the ATI SATA controller is supported in 2.6.8 :) |
| 16:55.35 | berlitux | and that might mess up other packages |
| 16:55.40 | stew | berlitux: right, that's why that factoid tells you to run udev from backports, not from stable |
| 16:55.42 | valdyn | berlitux: that isnt correct |
| 16:55.54 | valdyn | berlitux: you need a current kernel to use a current udev ( that is correct ) |
| 16:55.57 | Asmodee` | is it possible to install debian 3.1 on root partition that is on an LVM? I try to create a primary /boot, a swap and leave the rest of the drive for LVM on my primary hdd. On my secondary I use the entire for LVM, but when I try to format the LVM partition to be mounted as / with ext3 I get "failed to create file system" on the LV. This happens somewhere between 90 and 100% completion. |
| 16:55.58 | jade | dotCOMmie, i can try that |
| 16:57.12 | berlitux | valdyn: many things from current kernels are not supported by udev from Sarge |
| 16:57.13 | dotCOMmie | jade: when I ran the net install I didnt even need to enable anything in kernel.. ran legacy on its own.. (Intel 2801GBM) |
| 16:57.23 | stew | Asmodee`: its certainly possible to put / on LVM, you can put absolutely everything on lvm if you want |
| 16:57.27 | dotCOMmie | s/kernel/bios |
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| 16:57.37 | valdyn | berlitux: right, doesnt change a thing on our two statements though :) |
| 16:58.34 | berlitux | binary logic is a tough thing :) |
| 16:59.24 | dotCOMmie | !(it is) |
| 16:59.31 | bofh80 | am i supposed to have a /dev/dsp directory for alsa to work? |
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| 16:59.50 | valdyn | bofh80: no, no one needs that directory |
| 17:00.20 | stew | bofh80: no, /dev/snd ; /dev/dsp is a device file for oss, alsa can emulate oss if you "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" |
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| 17:01.58 | norc | hello. any good make torrent application for debian for console? :) |
| 17:02.04 | abrotman | rtorrent |
| 17:02.04 | Asmodee` | stew: any ideas why I would be getting a failed to create file system while it's formatting the LVM? |
| 17:02.10 | bofh80 | stew, valdyn thank you |
| 17:02.17 | norc | Asmodee`: rtorrent is not capable or creating torrents afaik |
| 17:02.42 | abrotman | oh .. your question sucked .. and i have nfc then .. apt-cache search torrent .. try them all |
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| 17:03.05 | stew | Asmodee`: i don't know, have you checked the consoles in alt-f3 or alt-f4 for errors? |
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| 17:05.27 | Asmodee` | incorrect metadata area header checksum... |
| 17:05.54 | stew | Asmodee`: that just means that you have at least one partition that doesn't contain lvm that you have told lvm to ignore |
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| 17:07.31 | Asmodee` | even when i used the entire of both disks for LVM I was also getting a create file system error |
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| 17:08.17 | Asmodee` | i can find lots of tutorials about installing debian on LVM on top of RAID, but I don't want RAID and following the steps ignoring the RAID are giving me errors |
| 17:08.46 | jackass12 | hi guys, id like to somehow get tcpdump -n > file running continuously on my box |
| 17:08.51 | jackass12 | any suggestions or advise |
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| 17:09.38 | jackass12 | we are sustaining large ddos attacks, and i need to somehow logs IP's incoming, i was told tcpdump -n > file would work |
| 17:10.31 | thefish | that won't be a good long term solution |
| 17:10.54 | jackass12 | basically all i want to do is get a list of IP's |
| 17:11.01 | jackass12 | not worried about the filtering right now |
| 17:11.16 | bofh80 | wouldn't ethereal log that? |
| 17:12.07 | jackass12 | tcpdump -n > file works fine, i tried it but not sure how to get it going with cron so it logs everyday, but deletes the logs after 1 week |
| 17:12.11 | jackass12 | and restarts a new log |
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| 17:12.18 | jackass12 | or emails me the logs of one week, then deletes them |
| 17:12.20 | jackass12 | that would be good |
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| 17:15.53 | jade | the grub-install on the etch release will not install, "grub-install does not support --no-floppy", i can drop down to the shell and run this command, but does not show i am getting grub installed based on the files on the /target mount |
| 17:16.25 | cydork | jackass12: take a look at snort it basically does tcpdump |
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| 17:18.18 | mackss | could someone tell me where phpadmin is on debian? |
| 17:18.30 | dotCOMmie | phpmyadmin? |
| 17:18.33 | stew | mackss: what is phpadmin? |
| 17:19.08 | abrotman | one would assume he means phppgadmin or something like that |
| 17:19.29 | dotCOMmie | I'd asume phpMYadmin |
| 17:19.31 | mackss | nah i mean phpmyadmin, it's like webmin for php |
| 17:19.35 | dotCOMmie | myeah |
| 17:19.37 | iLLf8d | mackss, apt-cache searh php admin |
| 17:19.38 | abrotman | people use mysql? |
| 17:19.41 | iLLf8d | its in the list |
| 17:19.43 | asg | mackss: the phpmyadmin package |
| 17:19.54 | webfreak | abrotman: we use it at work |
| 17:20.00 | abrotman | webfreak: i'm sorry |
| 17:20.00 | asg | abrotman: well, they install it, fail to read the stuff in /var/log/syslog and then complain |
| 17:20.05 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:20.08 | webfreak | abrotman: hehe |
| 17:20.49 | dotCOMmie | asg hehe |
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| 17:21.35 | futex | salut :) |
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| 17:22.09 | abrotman | asg: only cause mrs would get mad! |
| 17:22.19 | Razva | how can I see al crond and how can I modify one? |
| 17:22.32 | asg | abrotman: indeed |
| 17:22.40 | mackss | I installed phpmyadmin with apt how do i get it to load now? |
| 17:22.58 | asg | mackss: read /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/* first |
| 17:23.13 | Asmodee` | ok i started a new debian install and am trying to use the entirety of 2 disks for LVM. When I try formatting the ext3 fs on top of LVM I get the following errors once it gets somewhere between 90 and 100% through the formatting |
| 17:23.28 | fresch | hi, i'm trying to compile rox, but it fails when checking for X. i would just install xlibs-dev but that package is not available in etch. what package do i need to install to satisfy rox? |
| 17:23.34 | Asmodee` | /sbin/tune2fs: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/mapper/myvolgrp-mylogvol1 |
| 17:23.40 | Asmodee` | Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock |
| 17:24.03 | asg | Razva: cron(8) shows you the default locations of system crontabs. also, see crontab(1) |
| 17:24.42 | enouf | jackass12: if snort doesn't cut it - look into crontab for setting it up for cron - perhaps 'apt-cache search tcpdump' will show many variations and tools -- what about tcpspy |
| 17:25.17 | jackass12 | not used anything but tcpdump -n > file |
| 17:25.26 | jackass12 | that works, but just wondering how to implement it |
| 17:25.32 | jackass12 | so i can send it to myself via email |
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| 17:32.36 | Guza | hi again |
| 17:33.01 | Guza | a have another problem |
| 17:33.03 | Guza | :( |
| 17:33.40 | abrotman | so ask already |
| 17:33.49 | qbit_wrk | i hvae 35005 problems :( |
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| 17:34.11 | asg | qbit_wrk: well, apt-get install aspell will solve one of them |
| 17:34.16 | Guza | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3787. |
| 17:34.35 | Guza | asg: can u help me |
| 17:34.36 | Guza | ? |
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| 17:34.54 | qbit_wrk | asg: no aspell in irssi .. sigh |
| 17:35.04 | Guza | qbit_wrk: me to :( |
| 17:35.13 | qbit_wrk | but thatks for the advice :D |
| 17:35.23 | Guza | too* |
| 17:35.32 | asg | qbit_wrk: well, you could write a simple spellcheck mod for it |
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| 17:35.43 | qbit_wrk | prolly not .. |
| 17:35.46 | qbit_wrk | <--- no skillz |
| 17:36.01 | asg | Guza: did you follow stew's advice about aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade? Did this cause the problem |
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| 17:36.18 | asg | qbit_wrk: the irssi-scripts package probably has one then |
| 17:36.19 | Guza | yes |
| 17:36.34 | Guza | but gcc works |
| 17:36.56 | asg | Guza: the error indicates the libc6 library is incorrect, not gcc (the compiler) |
| 17:37.12 | cydork | asg: na i already checked them, but that was long time ago |
| 17:37.17 | Guza | yes |
| 17:37.32 | Guza | but i have some problems with gcc too |
| 17:37.39 | Guza | and gcc fix |
| 17:37.42 | Guza | but this |
| 17:37.46 | Guza | not |
| 17:37.48 | Guza | :( |
| 17:38.05 | cydork | !enter |
| 17:38.05 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 17:38.18 | asg | Guza: that is, you are trying to use a 'gunzip' binary that was compiled to use libc6 2.3.4 |
| 17:38.31 | asg | Guza: paste the output of '/lib/libc.so.6 | head -n1' |
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| 17:38.53 | Guza | GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.2, by Roland McGrath et al. |
| 17:39.29 | asg | Guza: what's 'md5sum gunzip' print? |
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| 17:40.10 | Guza | wait |
| 17:40.11 | Guza | pls |
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| 17:40.32 | abrotman | did you lose your vowels? |
| 17:40.57 | Guza | did u mean files checksum? |
| 17:41.09 | asg | Guza: yes, the md5sum of /bin/gunzip |
| 17:41.28 | asg | it should be: |
| 17:41.29 | asg | 5ba205c4872213cb66e47ace9adaf455 /bin/gunzip |
| 17:41.40 | Guza | 8ab687ecd2bef48937b4b08165206a9d |
| 17:41.48 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 17:42.41 | Guza | ? |
| 17:42.41 | asg | Guza: try 'aptitude install --reinstall gzip' |
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| 17:43.20 | saintiss | hi all |
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| 17:43.26 | Guza | bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 17:43.28 | saintiss | is there an application like vnc, but faster for slow clients? |
| 17:43.37 | asg | Guza: apt-get install --reinstall gzip |
| 17:43.43 | abrotman | saintiss: ssh |
| 17:43.55 | asg | Guza: wait, didn't you say you ran 'aptitude update' earlier to get you into this mess? |
| 17:44.04 | Guza | tnx |
| 17:44.08 | saintiss | abrotman: tried that, but not better... |
| 17:44.11 | simonrvn | !kill pppoe |
| 17:44.16 | saintiss | abrotman: unless I need some very special options? |
| 17:44.16 | abrotman | ssh is slower than vnc ? |
| 17:44.16 | Guza | sory |
| 17:44.25 | Guza | tnx man |
| 17:44.33 | saintiss | abrotman: about the same when you use X forwarding |
| 17:44.41 | abrotman | i just meant terminal ssh :) |
| 17:44.52 | saintiss | abrotman: yes, but I need a graphical app |
| 17:44.53 | abrotman | saintiss: i'd say those are your two options |
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| 17:46.33 | saintiss | abrotman: hmm, wasn't there this application which claimed to be equivalent to vnc but better? |
| 17:46.34 | Guza | asg: i have same problems |
| 17:46.36 | Guza | :( |
| 17:46.37 | saintiss | forgot the name though :( |
| 17:46.42 | abrotman | saintiss: RDP ? |
| 17:46.47 | abrotman | blondie: what's better than vnc ? |
| 17:46.56 | saintiss | abrotman: that wasn't it... |
| 17:46.57 | abrotman | saintiss: i think vnc has a bandwidth setting |
| 17:47.07 | cydork | abrotman: freenx? but it's not in debian yet |
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| 17:47.25 | saintiss | abrotman: well, you can tweak the compression settings and such, and color depth, but that doesn't help... also, the connection is fast, just the client is slow |
| 17:47.28 | saintiss | hmm |
| 17:47.32 | saintiss | freenx, I think that was it |
| 17:47.36 | abrotman | !n |
| 17:47.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, n is a nitrogen atom, or 420, or {1,2,3,....} |
| 17:47.37 | abrotman | !nx |
| 17:47.37 | dpkg | nx is probably http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
| 17:47.58 | saintiss | interesting... I should have a look |
| 17:47.59 | saintiss | thanks |
| 17:48.03 | abrotman | saintiss: OH .. i thought you meant bandwidth was an issue |
| 17:48.13 | abrotman | saintiss: i think you're going to have problems no matter what you do if the client is that slow |
| 17:48.23 | saintiss | abrotman: it's a pentium 200 |
| 17:48.31 | Asmodee` | Debian on LVM installation: I started a new debian install and am trying to use the entirety of 2 disks for LVM. When I try formatting the ext3 partition that I created on the LVM device I get the following errors once it gets somewhere between 90 and 100% through the formatting. "/sbin/tune2fs: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/mapper/myvolgrp-mylogvol1" "Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock". This looks like a bug in the install |
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| 17:48.33 | abrotman | oh .. is that with MMX! |
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| 17:48.38 | saintiss | abrotman: yes |
| 17:48.46 | abrotman | woohoo . ... MMX for all! |
| 17:48.49 | blondie | abrotman: rdp... and probably others ;) |
| 17:48.51 | saintiss | heh :) |
| 17:48.53 | rollergrrl | I thought the debian channel moved to a different network |
| 17:49.18 | simonrvn | it did |
| 17:49.22 | cydork | rollergrrl: this is not official channel anymore |
| 17:49.52 | rollergrrl | ahh ok |
| 17:50.17 | cydork | rollergrrl: but there are more people here than official channel :P |
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| 17:51.37 | rollergrrl | that's just silly |
| 17:52.29 | asg | rollergrrl: We were hoping that all the idiots would migrate also. Sadly, this has not happened. |
| 17:52.43 | Ronin | asg: some certainly did thats for sure :) |
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| 17:53.22 | asg | Ronin: and came back apparently |
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| 17:54.05 | Guza | can u help |
| 17:54.07 | Guza | ? |
| 17:54.22 | simonrvn | !tell Guza about ask |
| 17:54.23 | Guza | dont work :( |
| 17:54.33 | Ronin | Guza: what happened when you typing in the commands you were told to? |
| 17:54.38 | Guza | sec |
| 17:54.39 | Guza | pls |
| 17:54.57 | Ronin | and type more then one word at a time allready |
| 17:54.58 | Guza | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3787 |
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| 17:55.05 | Guza | this is my problem |
| 17:55.14 | cyzie | hello, what packages should i installed to display chinese characters properly? |
| 17:55.25 | Guza | :( |
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| 17:55.29 | Ronin | Guza: did you try doing what was suggested? reinstalling gzip |
| 17:55.38 | Guza | i do this |
| 17:55.45 | Guza | and tar |
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| 17:56.25 | Guza | Unpacking replacement gzip ... |
| 17:56.25 | Guza | Setting up gzip (1.3.5-10sarge1) ... |
| 17:57.23 | Guza | serv-3-9-101:/home/Unreal3.2# md5sum /bin/gunzip |
| 17:57.23 | Guza | 5ba205c4872213cb66e47ace9adaf455 /bin/gunzip |
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| 17:57.51 | Guza | any one knows |
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| 17:59.18 | jackass12 | how would i use crontab to run something once everyday mon-sunday |
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| 17:59.22 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 17:59.31 | Ecksrai | hi |
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| 17:59.34 | Guza | hi |
| 17:59.40 | Ecksrai | hi Guza |
| 17:59.44 | Guza | :D |
| 17:59.47 | perlmonkey | just switched desktops to gnome from kde, but now i cannot start X as normal user, only root |
| 17:59.48 | asg | jackass12: man 5 crontab |
| 17:59.54 | perlmonkey | startx needs updating? |
| 18:00.37 | Ecksrai | apt-get remove w-indow-system && apt-get install x-window-system |
| 18:00.46 | Ecksrai | x-window-system* |
| 18:01.01 | perlmonkey | gnome seems to follow the linux principle, less is better, allow users to add what they want, rather than the kde approach of add everyfink from start |
| 18:01.08 | amphi | Guza: 5ba205c4872213cb66e47ace9adaf455 |
| 18:01.14 | Guza | yes |
| 18:01.16 | Ecksrai | And there's xfce: yes. |
| 18:01.17 | perlmonkey | Ecksrai: is that right? |
| 18:01.27 | Ecksrai | yep |
| 18:01.35 | perlmonkey | Ecksrai: super, many thanks |
| 18:01.42 | amphi | Guza: is that not what you asked for? |
| 18:02.03 | Guza | i can not install unreal |
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| 18:02.12 | Guza | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3787 |
| 18:02.19 | dotCOMmie | is there a daemon which sits in userspace monitors keystrokes and executes a command on keystroke? |
| 18:02.22 | Guza | that is a problem |
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| 18:02.40 | jackass12 | 5 0 * * * $HOME/bin/daily.job >> $HOME/tmp/out 2>&1 |
| 18:02.43 | jackass12 | ok |
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| 18:03.45 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 18:03.53 | perlmonkey | still no joy getting X up as normal user |
| 18:04.05 | Ecksrai | and you reinstalled it? |
| 18:04.05 | perlmonkey | black screen and pointer and it freezes |
| 18:04.10 | perlmonkey | yup |
| 18:04.14 | Ecksrai | Do you have kdm or gdm installed? |
| 18:04.17 | jackass12 | if i wanted to run tcpdump -n and output that to a file everyday the above would work asg ? |
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| 18:04.19 | perlmonkey | i have both |
| 18:04.23 | Ecksrai | =/ |
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| 18:04.32 | perlmonkey | i screwed up? |
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| 18:04.41 | caine607` | Hey all... I'm running a debian box with 'stable' sources. I want to install bazaar-ng, which apparently isn't IN stable. So, rather than switching to unstable, or installing from source, is there a documented way to obtain one (or several) .deb packages and just install them? |
| 18:04.46 | Ecksrai | Hard to say |
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| 18:05.03 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 18:05.03 | dpkg | simple sid backport is, like, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 18:05.15 | jackass12 | 5 0 * * * $HOME/bin/tcpdump -n > dump.txt | mv dump.txt /home/user/ |
| 18:05.24 | Ecksrai | apt-get remove xdm gdm kdm x-window-system apt-get install gdm x-window-system-core |
| 18:05.25 | perlmonkey | Ecksrai kdm is not installed |
| 18:05.29 | caine607` | Right. |
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| 18:05.34 | caine607` | I'll just look at that url. |
| 18:05.44 | Ecksrai | =/ |
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| 18:06.32 | valdyn | Ecksrai: your command is a complicated way to say 'apt-get remove kdm xdm' ? |
| 18:07.03 | perlmonkey | im so fuked |
| 18:07.12 | perlmonkey | i have no xdm, no kdm and no gdm |
| 18:07.27 | valdyn | perlmonkey: and that makes you 'fucked' why? |
| 18:07.28 | caine607` | valdyn: Ok, the website is not exactly clear, so I should ask dpkg about backport? |
| 18:07.38 | caine607` | !backport |
| 18:07.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ... |
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| 18:08.01 | perlmonkey | valdyn: because X doesnt start |
| 18:08.04 | fas3r_ | all script whose are locate in /etc/init.d are execute when the computer start ? |
| 18:08.38 | valdyn | perlmonkey: you dont make sense, if gdm is missing, install it, if X doesnt start, figure out why, like read the log, search for erros (EE) |
| 18:09.35 | perlmonkey | valdyn: ok apologies |
| 18:10.19 | TARZEAU | !qotd0 |
| 18:10.19 | dpkg | <pder> will debian run on a computer system? |
| 18:10.32 | abrotman | that'd be funny if pder weren't a troll |
| 18:11.07 | stew | yeah |
| 18:11.15 | stew | i'm so close to getting my HD back |
| 18:11.21 | valdyn | fas3r_: no, not exactly |
| 18:11.26 | valdyn | !init |
| 18:11.26 | dpkg | init is, like, the init daemon |
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| 18:11.37 | stew | init is also the thing that isn't starting for stew yet |
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| 18:12.06 | fas3r_ | valdyn, and ? |
| 18:12.21 | valdyn | fas3r_: man init, that explains the system startup |
| 18:12.29 | perlmonkey | right |
| 18:12.42 | perlmonkey | ive opened .xinitrc and it says exec startkde |
| 18:12.53 | perlmonkey | what do i need change that to to make gnome start? |
| 18:12.58 | valdyn | fas3r_: init starts scripts that are in /etc/init.d/, but a script is not necessarily start just because it is in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 18:13.37 | perlmonkey | exec startgdm? |
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| 18:14.20 | valdyn | perlmonkey: gdm isnt know, gdm is a graphical login to X |
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| 18:14.25 | clusty | i am having some trouble using httrack: how can I make it take everyuthing starting from some folder (V3D) excluding links that are in some folder(TWiki)? |
| 18:14.25 | valdyn | perlmonkey: gdm isnt _gnome_, gdm is a graphical login to X |
| 18:14.35 | clusty | pls someone save me :-d |
| 18:14.35 | perlmonkey | oh ffs |
| 18:14.45 | perlmonkey | someone give me a clue here? |
| 18:14.58 | perlmonkey | my shell has locked now on trying to exit vi |
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| 18:15.13 | perlmonkey | my system is really screwed since i upgraded, wish i never bothered |
| 18:15.17 | valdyn | perlmonkey: you have broken hardware? |
| 18:15.44 | perlmonkey | valdyn: shouldnt be its been fine until I did apt-get upgrade, followed by apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:16.10 | valdyn | perlmonkey: that doesnt explain random lookups really |
| 18:16.16 | perlmonkey | true |
| 18:16.20 | valdyn | perlmonkey: that doesnt explain random lockups really |
| 18:16.22 | perlmonkey | its never done that before |
| 18:16.39 | valdyn | perlmonkey: reinstall is not an option? |
| 18:16.54 | perlmonkey | i would rather it wasnt |
| 18:17.05 | valdyn | perlmonkey: certainly your error _can_ be fixed, but its probably not the most time efficient solution |
| 18:17.15 | perlmonkey | im just rebooting |
| 18:17.23 | perlmonkey | if i run as root everything is fine |
| 18:17.29 | perlmonkey | i can start X and no probs |
| 18:17.35 | valdyn | perlmonkey: read the logfiles.. |
| 18:17.47 | perlmonkey | nothing useful in Xfree log :/ |
| 18:18.10 | valdyn | perlmonkey: /var/log/syslog , /var/log/messages |
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| 18:18.14 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 18:18.17 | perlmonkey | i will check |
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| 18:18.27 | valdyn | perlmonkey: and for X errors ~/.xsession-errors |
| 18:18.34 | perlmonkey | why me eh? i upgrade like once in 7 months and this shit has to happen |
| 18:18.44 | perlmonkey | ok thanks |
| 18:18.58 | DaS_CoAcH | hi@all, does anyone of you use skype? |
| 18:19.08 | TARZEAU | !skype |
| 18:19.08 | dpkg | i guess skype is a non-free (beer) voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/, or based on proprietary, closed-source protocols, or debs for skype are available with and without a static qt library from http://debian-unofficial.org, or for official debs, add "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free" to sources.list. |
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| 18:19.30 | DaS_CoAcH | i'e got a problem with it, it says volume_open: error opening /dev/mixer: No such file or directory |
| 18:19.30 | DaS_CoAcH | /dev/dsp-1: No such file or directory |
| 18:19.49 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: you have a soundcard? loaded the driver for it? |
| 18:19.57 | Dossy | Has anyone here run into a problem getting printing working on Etch w/ 2.6.17 kernel? |
| 18:20.03 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: if it's looking for /dev/dsp-1 that's really bad |
| 18:20.07 | valdyn | Dossy: ask a real question |
| 18:20.13 | DaS_CoAcH | TARZEAU, i heard music with xmms, so i think i loaded it^^ |
| 18:20.18 | TARZEAU | Dossy: not me. using cups? |
| 18:20.30 | Dossy | no, not using CUPS |
| 18:20.35 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: then really ask those skype guys |
| 18:20.37 | Dossy | echo test >/dev/lp0 hangs. |
| 18:20.42 | Dossy | eeventually, klogd logs "DMA write error" |
| 18:20.46 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: there's no skype in debian |
| 18:20.49 | Dossy | this *was* working with kernel 2.6.15 |
| 18:20.58 | Dossy | just recently upgraded to 2.6.17, stopped working. :( |
| 18:21.06 | Dossy | time to go look at kernel diffs for parport/parport_pc/lp modules. Sigh. |
| 18:21.07 | DaS_CoAcH | TARZEAU, if i could edit it, what should i use instead? |
| 18:21.10 | perlmonkey | valdyn: strange. i rebooted, X login window comes up, attempt to login via normal user. "Users $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents the default session and language from being saved. |
| 18:21.17 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: amsn? |
| 18:21.20 | Dossy | Just wondered if this was already a knwon problem or not. |
| 18:21.44 | DaS_CoAcH | TARZEAU, no, for /dev/dsp-1 |
| 18:21.45 | valdyn | perlmonkey: that log in was via gdm? |
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| 18:22.00 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: IT should use /dev/dsp (unless you have multiple sound cards) |
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| 18:22.08 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: dsp usually is a link to dsp0 |
| 18:22.13 | perlmonkey | valdyn: yup |
| 18:22.18 | DaS_CoAcH | TARZEAU, and what about /dev/mixer? |
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| 18:22.31 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: that's fine. i have /dev/mixer |
| 18:22.40 | Dossy | valdyn: A real question? |
| 18:22.48 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: alsa or not? does some other software block your sound card? |
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| 18:22.52 | cahoot | DaS_CoAcH: the beta version of skype 1.3.0.37 is alsa aware |
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| 18:22.55 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: try fuser /dev/dsp (-k to kill it) |
| 18:23.03 | perlmonkey | valdyn: well gnome has actually started, but my mouse is not working :-/ |
| 18:23.04 | valdyn | perlmonkey: and everything else works now? |
| 18:23.22 | Asmodee` | does debian installer use LVM1 or LVM2? |
| 18:23.29 | b00 | hey, im trying to start xclipboard, to test an app, but when I try this, it tells me that another instance of xclipboard already running . I think it is run by the wm. When I do ps -A | grep xclipboard, there is nothing |
| 18:23.33 | b00 | anyone knows how to kill it ? |
| 18:23.35 | valdyn | perlmonkey: ok, how's your mouse not working? |
| 18:23.38 | DaS_CoAcH | TARZEAU, i don't have /dev/mixer, is that normal? |
| 18:23.39 | perlmonkey | one problem always follows another :-/ |
| 18:23.48 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: no, it's not normal |
| 18:23.48 | perlmonkey | valdyn: sorry, pointer not moving |
| 18:23.52 | DaS_CoAcH | and no other program is blocking my card |
| 18:23.54 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: which kernel exactly? |
| 18:24.08 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: which sound card? |
| 18:24.10 | valdyn | perlmonkey: which mouse device are you using / did you pick when configuring X ? |
| 18:24.11 | DaS_CoAcH | 2.6.16-2-k7 |
| 18:24.12 | b00 | im not away, crap |
| 18:24.27 | DaS_CoAcH | TARZEAU, es1939 or so^^ |
| 18:24.28 | DaS_CoAcH | w8 |
| 18:24.33 | perlmonkey | valdyn: Im using a usb mouse, its normally autodetected, i didnt have to set anything up before |
| 18:24.36 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: that's a debian linux kernel version. try uname -r |
| 18:24.40 | CosmoDad | I'm building a native Debian package and have included it in debian/conffiles and let dh_install move the conffile over to /etc... however, if I use lintian for checking, it moans about "duplicate-conffile" unless I remove debian/conffiles again... am I doing something wrong? |
| 18:24.40 | DaS_CoAcH | es1938 |
| 18:24.47 | perlmonkey | oh ffs |
| 18:25.01 | DaS_CoAcH | 2.6.16-2-k7 |
| 18:25.04 | sts | hello folks I'm trying to understand samba access controls. can someone explain the difference of security mask and force security mode? http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/AccessControls.html#id2617453 |
| 18:25.10 | valdyn | perlmonkey: type in a shell as root 'cat /dev/input/mice', move mouse around, see if garbage is typed |
| 18:25.21 | perlmonkey | my system is really acting up. I've just CTRL ALT DEL to shell from X, and im just getting black screen, prompt appears momentarily, then black screen again |
| 18:25.26 | perlmonkey | gdm just started by itself again |
| 18:25.31 | perlmonkey | i need to remove gdm eh |
| 18:25.42 | TARZEAU | !remove dm |
| 18:25.47 | TARZEAU | !nodm |
| 18:25.47 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 18:25.59 | perlmonkey | valdyn: ok if i can manage to get to a shell i will try |
| 18:26.02 | DaS_CoAcH | TARZEAU, 2.6.16-2-k7 is my kernel, i dind't build one of my own yet |
| 18:26.15 | valdyn | perlmonkey: ctrl-alt-backspace isnt really a good way to quit X, dont use it when you can avoid it |
| 18:26.16 | Asmodee` | possible bug in debian installer? I started a new debian install and am trying to use the entirety of 2 disks for LVM. When I try formatting the ext3 partition that I created on the LVM device I get the following errors once it gets somewhere between 90 and 100% through the formatting. "/sbin/tune2fs: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/mapper/myvolgrp-mylogvol1" "Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock". This looks like a bug in the i |
| 18:26.25 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: yes, but WHAT kernel is it really? say uname -r |
| 18:26.28 | perlmonkey | valdyn: whats the proper way? |
| 18:26.48 | DaS_CoAcH | TARZEAU, it says the same |
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| 18:26.59 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: aha |
| 18:27.11 | valdyn | perlmonkey: ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a console terminal and '/etc/init.d/gdm stop' to stop gdm |
| 18:27.17 | perlmonkey | thanks |
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| 18:27.42 | DaS_CoAcH | TARZEAU, what should i do? |
| 18:27.57 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: no idea. not use skype |
| 18:28.06 | TARZEAU | DaS_CoAcH: or bother skype guys about your skype problem |
| 18:28.24 | DaS_CoAcH | TARZEAU, k, thx again, my master^^ |
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| 18:28.44 | DaS_CoAcH | so, cya@all |
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| 18:29.14 | jcuk | hi, got debian installed on laptop, unable to get resolution higher than 800x600 by either editing manually the xf86config-4 file or doing dpkg reconfigure. also problem with sound driver loading too? |
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| 18:29.42 | perlmonkey | valdyn: no garbage to screen from mouse :-/ |
| 18:30.07 | TARZEAU | jcuk: which video card/driver? which soundcard? |
| 18:30.16 | valdyn | !usb mouse |
| 18:30.16 | dpkg | from memory, usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 18:30.28 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 18:30.29 | Asmodee` | !installing on lvm |
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| 18:30.32 | jcuk | realtek soundcard and intel GMA900 graphics |
| 18:30.37 | valdyn | perlmonkey: nm, ignore that |
| 18:30.43 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 18:30.43 | caine607` | valdyn: So, I hate to ask again... but... from what I can tell from the websites and googling and such, it looks like I can go fetch just the .deb I need, the backport of bzr... if so can I then install that from the command line? |
| 18:30.47 | TARZEAU | Please restart any running Firefoxes, or you will experience problems. |
| 18:30.52 | TARZEAU | (some software just SUCKS) |
| 18:30.56 | valdyn | perlmonkey: lsmod | grep mousedev |
| 18:31.04 | jcuk | i just selected defaults at startup, didnt ask for seperate sound driver or just used vesa graphics driver |
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| 18:31.31 | caine607` | valdyn: I'm very hesitant to muck with apt sources, I've gotten in trouble before that way and I can't afford to have this box get messed up. |
| 18:31.34 | perlmonkey | valdyn: I think my X config may be screwed, its making reference to an old wacom pad I once used |
| 18:32.03 | perlmonkey | valdyn: mousedev 10476 0 |
| 18:32.05 | valdyn | caine607`: yea, that just may or may not install a non-functional package. If it works for bzr, just dpkg -i that.deb |
| 18:32.24 | caine607` | Cool. I'll give that shot then. |
| 18:32.36 | valdyn | perlmonkey: your error has nothing to do with X itself so far |
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| 18:33.46 | valdyn | caine607`: adding deb-src lines is something entirely different to adding deb lines, but uh, if safe sources say bzr works like you are doing it, the better |
| 18:33.47 | jcuk | Do i have to manually install the drivers for an Acer laptop? |
| 18:34.06 | TARZEAU | jcuk: can you post lspci output online? |
| 18:34.10 | cydork | jcuk, drivers for? |
| 18:34.16 | jcuk | sound and video |
| 18:34.17 | CosmoDad | I'm building a Debian package and have included it in debian/conffiles and let dh_install move the conffile over to /etc... however, if I use lintian for checking, it moans about "duplicate-conffile" unless I remove debian/conffiles again... am I doing something wrong? |
| 18:34.24 | TARZEAU | jcuk: do you know how many different variations of hardware can be inside a "Acer" laptop? |
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| 18:34.41 | TARZEAU | jcuk: quite a bit more than what you can find in apple, amiga and sparc computers alltogether |
| 18:34.46 | valdyn | perlmonkey: X is obviously finding a mouse, or it wouldnt start ( by default at least ), that doesnt change that your usb mouse does not seem to be functional |
| 18:34.46 | CosmoDad | s/included it in/included/ |
| 18:34.58 | jcuk | unfortunately yes, but you can select the laptop on the acer site and it tells you each hardware componant |
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| 18:35.05 | valdyn | perlmonkey: 'lsusb', look for your mouse |
| 18:35.08 | TARZEAU | jcuk: so saying you've got an "acer" laptop, doesn't say anything |
| 18:35.09 | perlmonkey | valdyn: if I start X with root the mouse works fine! |
| 18:35.09 | Ztripez | I'm about to building a music-jukebox based on debian but i don't know what application to use. It has to be able to remote control it beacuse the "music-server" has no screen or keyboard. Any1 got any suggestions? |
| 18:35.16 | caine607` | valdyn: safe sources... I wouldnt' say safe sources. So you'd say I'd be wiser just to add a deb-src line to the apt sources file? |
| 18:35.21 | jcuk | true ;) hold on a mo |
| 18:35.28 | TARZEAU | jcuk: fun. but that still won't help much. put up your lspci online |
| 18:35.38 | valdyn | caine607`: both is fine, you can still remove bzr if it doesnt work |
| 18:35.39 | TARZEAU | jcuk: you might need to run update-pciids first (from the pciutils package) |
| 18:36.03 | caine607` | !deb-src |
| 18:36.04 | dpkg | hmm... deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free' |
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| 18:36.11 | caine607` | Hrmm. |
| 18:36.19 | caine607` | valdyn: Is there a tutorial explaining deb-src? |
| 18:36.34 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 18:36.34 | dpkg | methinks simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
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| 18:37.15 | valdyn | caine607`: deb-src adds a source repository, that doesnt contain any debs, but the source that debian packages are built from |
| 18:38.02 | caine607` | valdyn: Ah, thanks. |
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| 18:38.27 | perlmonkey | what are people using now for desktop? is gnome still the preferred desktop? |
| 18:38.36 | caine607` | perlmonkey: screen. ;-) |
| 18:38.41 | valdyn | caine607`: so you cant install 'wrong' debs by mistake anyway, but rebuild packages for your current system |
| 18:38.49 | novoe | perlmonkey: like gnome :-) |
| 18:38.55 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 18:39.08 | jackass12 | 5 0 * * * $HOME/bin/tcpdump -n > dump.txt | mv dump.txt /home/user/ |
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| 18:39.19 | jackass12 | how would i do that but make the file so it was named the date.txt |
| 18:39.22 | perlmonkey | fluxbox is a wm? |
| 18:39.22 | caine607` | valdyn: so using a deb-src is kinda like installing from source... except that you get all the apt-goodness of it knowing what the heck is where? |
| 18:39.25 | valdyn | caine607`: understanding why that is 'good' is obvious if you know about c / c++ and linking / abi / api etc. I cant explain that here |
| 18:39.28 | cydork | perlmonkey, yep |
| 18:40.01 | cydork | jackass12, why are you piping it? |
| 18:40.10 | valdyn | caine607`: yea, in a way, building still is more work than install binary debs |
| 18:40.26 | jackass12 | cydork im new to this :/ |
| 18:40.49 | valdyn | perlmonkey: root makeing a difference sounds like a permission issue |
| 18:40.52 | caine607` | valdyn: I've been writing C and java code professionally since like 1989. |
| 18:41.13 | valdyn | perlmonkey: best you paste your XF86Config-4 and your /var/log/XFree86.0.log somewhere |
| 18:41.21 | perlmonkey | valdyn: yes I think you're right, that might also explain the shell freezing when I try to edit my user .xinitrc |
| 18:41.25 | valdyn | caine607`: alright, nice |
| 18:41.38 | caine607` | valdyn: Just sorta to give you an idea of where I'm coming from. |
| 18:41.55 | jackass12 | cydork can u help me out plz? |
| 18:42.00 | caine607` | valdyn: thanks for the help, by the way. |
| 18:42.15 | cydork | jackass12, and any ways it wont work coz tcpdump will continuously dump in the dump.txt |
| 18:42.21 | zepeuga | how can i change my system language ?! |
| 18:42.35 | perlmonkey | valdyn: I dont seem to have a .dmrc file! |
| 18:42.36 | jackass12 | cydork i need daily dumps, then moved to /home/user |
| 18:42.40 | jackass12 | so i can ftp and grab them |
| 18:42.45 | jelly-home | caine607`: Surely not java since '89? ;-) |
| 18:42.47 | jackass12 | and then after a week the old dumps cleared |
| 18:42.56 | Ztripez | I'm about to building a music-jukebox based on debian but i don't know what application to use. It has to be able to remote control it beacuse the "music-server" has no screen or keyboard. Any1 got any suggestions?? |
| 18:43.06 | wols | !tell zepeuga about locales |
| 18:43.40 | valdyn | perlmonkey: you dont need that file |
| 18:43.46 | perlmonkey | oh ok |
| 18:43.50 | caine607` | jelly-home: No, I said C and Java.... |
| 18:43.53 | perlmonkey | ive removed gdm for now |
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| 18:43.55 | caine607` | jelly-home: so java since 2000. |
| 18:44.08 | valdyn | perlmonkey: gdm certainly wasnt your error |
| 18:44.34 | perlmonkey | valdyn: I dont think I can write any files into my home/user space |
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| 18:44.37 | perlmonkey | even as root |
| 18:44.42 | cydork | jackass12, the simplest thing will be create a init.d script. then after every day copy the file somewhere and then restart the init.d script |
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| 18:44.59 | valdyn | perlmonkey: yea, thought you had permission issues at /home |
| 18:45.12 | cydork | jackass12, or as i told you install snort, and just use tcpdump from that. |
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| 18:45.16 | perlmonkey | valdyn: my home user space is on nfs |
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| 18:45.34 | jackass12 | cydork im not really sure on how |
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| 18:45.40 | perlmonkey | something must of got screwed up in the upgrade |
| 18:46.01 | valdyn | caine607`: welcome |
| 18:47.19 | valdyn | Ztripez: mpd |
| 18:47.33 | perlmonkey | tried to start X as user, long slow start, just the grey screen and x pointer, and its frozen |
| 18:47.34 | perlmonkey | ffs |
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| 18:48.10 | valdyn | perlmonkey: fix your /home |
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| 18:48.28 | caine607` | valdyn: Ahhhh, I see, so I can add a single deb-src line that points to the backports and specify the single package I want it to see on that line. |
| 18:48.30 | perlmonkey | EE: failed to load module xtt, mouse: no type or invalid type request. preinit returned NULL for mouse |
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| 18:48.36 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 18:49.14 | perlmonkey | valdyn: any ideas? |
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| 18:49.23 | perlmonkey | open to suggestions at this stage |
| 18:49.32 | valdyn | caine607`: well, guess you could, but backports are already compiled for sarge so not much point in that, typically that is used for getting etch / sid packages to sarge or maybe changing compile time configuration |
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| 18:49.54 | caine607` | valdyn: OK, I'm still thoroughly confused then. |
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| 18:50.37 | caine607` | valdyn: But I suppose I can simply use a regular deb line then, and still make it point to the specific backport I need? |
| 18:50.39 | valdyn | caine607`: backports = packages containing software newer than sarge, taken from wherever, for sarge, deb-src is for creating just such backports yourself. |
| 18:50.54 | caine607` | valdyn: Ah, I see. |
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| 18:50.58 | valdyn | caine607`: yea, see http://www.backports.org/ for instructions |
| 18:50.58 | enouf | jackass12: read http://www.mirrors.wiretapped.net/security/network-monitoring/tcpspy/tcpspy.pdf - then 'apt-cache show tcpspy' maybe what you want easily |
| 18:51.36 | perlmonkey | valdyn: if I try to write a file into home user space as normal user, freezes |
| 18:51.39 | caine607` | Thats where I started after your initial response that triggerd the dpkg bot. |
| 18:51.59 | valdyn | caine607`: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 18:52.16 | caine607` | Right |
| 18:52.21 | caine607` | Reading them again now. |
| 18:52.51 | jackass12 | enouf thank |
| 18:52.52 | jackass12 | s |
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| 18:53.18 | enouf | !beer cydork |
| 18:53.28 | perlmonkey | valdyn: do you think I need to upgrade my kernel maybe? |
| 18:53.34 | valdyn | perlmonkey: no |
| 18:53.44 | valdyn | perlmonkey: i have no idea what's wrong with your nfs |
| 18:53.47 | enouf | jackass12: np |
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| 18:53.51 | cydork | enouf, thanks |
| 18:53.53 | cydork | :P |
| 18:54.01 | enouf | drink up |
| 18:54.08 | perlmonkey | valdyn: I have made no changes and it seems to be fine |
| 18:54.28 | necrogami | Anyone know how to access ATARaid devices for kernel on debian install? |
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| 18:54.36 | yang | so much about etch security...someone entered my server and deleted all the files |
| 18:54.56 | petemc | its only as secure as you make it |
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| 18:55.01 | perlmonkey | maybe I should now take this to #nfs |
| 18:55.06 | Ronin | yang: well what did you do to cause that? |
| 18:55.10 | necrogami | petemc oh how true that statement is |
| 18:55.12 | valdyn | necrogami: not at all would be best, read about dmraid, if you must |
| 18:55.17 | cydork | jackass12, tcpspy is different from tcpdump it doesn't use libpcap so i dont know how much helpful is that |
| 18:55.18 | wols | yang: let me guess you ran a webserver with php? |
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| 18:55.26 | necrogami | dmraid? |
| 18:55.26 | perlmonkey | valdyn: you have done all you can do I think, thanks very much for all your support |
| 18:55.31 | necrogami | where at ? |
| 18:55.33 | yang | Ronin: There was no prior notice...yes i had webserver with php... |
| 18:55.38 | asg | petemc: didn't stew say the other day that there is no security support for etch? There's plumming but no support. |
| 18:55.57 | Ronin | so it wasnt etch security but most likely a script kiddie php exploit perhaps |
| 18:55.58 | petemc | asg: soemthing along those lines, yeah |
| 18:56.17 | valdyn | !testing security |
| 18:56.17 | dpkg | somebody said testing security was Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch, or ask me about <testing security key> |
| 18:56.30 | valdyn | ^^^ that's not being maintained ? |
| 18:56.41 | petemc | can we take that to the bank? |
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| 18:56.57 | yang | i was running debian+vserver |
| 18:57.05 | asg | valdyn: I was under the impression it was but stew said that it wasn't being actively updated with fixes, only when they migrate from sid to etch *shrug* |
| 18:57.10 | wols | petemc: since a few months(weeks?) there has been official testing security support, petemc |
| 18:57.12 | necrogami | here's my setup HDA = 4gb HDb = CDRW HDE/HDF(30gb drives raid 0) = IDE Raid onboard controller |
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| 18:57.24 | wols | petemc: it's as much worth as stable security support |
| 18:57.40 | petemc | id doubt that, but ok.. |
| 18:58.19 | wols | petemc: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/09/msg00006.html |
| 18:58.52 | necrogami | petemc, any suggestions? how do i access dmraid from the CD Boot Installer (BTW just downloaded ETCH Weekly Netinstaller) |
| 18:58.55 | stew | valdyn: asg: http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz have a look for yourself, only 5 packages were ever uploaded, of them, only one has NOT been superceded by a newer testing package, and that one is in non-free |
| 18:59.19 | perlmonkey | what is hard,intr options for fstab, is that likely to cause a problem with writing? |
| 18:59.20 | asg | stew: thanks for the validation. We should perhaps update the factoid lest people get the wrong impression. |
| 18:59.26 | jade | which kernel module should i use for etch? |
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| 18:59.36 | jade | 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 19:00.00 | abrotman | the one that works |
| 19:00.12 | necrogami | hmmm |
| 19:00.18 | abrotman | asg: if they really cared about security .. they wouldn't be using testing anyways |
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| 19:00.38 | caine607` | valdyn: OKfine, that seems to have worked. Thank you, again. |
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| 19:00.45 | valdyn | stew: yea, i looked, that file is old |
| 19:00.53 | asg | abrotman: I've said that for a long time but that argument seemed to go in the toilet when etch was announced to have security updates *shrug* |
| 19:01.13 | stew | !tracker of doom |
| 19:01.13 | dpkg | from memory, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable here: http://idssi.enyo.de/tracker |
| 19:01.15 | abrotman | asg: (and there's that whole .. stability argument) |
| 19:01.28 | abrotman | stew: where'd the kitenet one go ? |
| 19:01.28 | denmaeth | im trying to install madwifi in etch but keep getting error2 on make |
| 19:01.31 | Deepa | anyone know how many connections you are limited to at freenode? |
| 19:01.41 | abrotman | maybe that's it |
| 19:02.17 | perlmonkey | whats the latest kernel |
| 19:02.28 | stew | TiCPU: what are you doing? |
| 19:02.35 | abrotman | is it just me .. or do php4 and mozilla make up aboout half that list for testing ? |
| 19:02.36 | asg | perlmonkey: vanilla, for debian? Which debian version? |
| 19:02.50 | perlmonkey | asg: debian. for testing |
| 19:03.10 | stew | abrotman: i didn't know that one. ask joeyh i guess |
| 19:03.12 | necrogami | Anyone know how to setup debian on initial install with IDE Onboard Raid Controller? |
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| 19:03.19 | abrotman | stew: let me see if i can find it |
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| 19:03.24 | asg | perlmonkey: apt-get install linux-image (it will show you the available list) |
| 19:03.32 | perlmonkey | merci |
| 19:03.38 | stew | necrogami: what brand of raid controller? |
| 19:03.44 | necrogami | Promise |
| 19:03.50 | necrogami | Older AMD board |
| 19:04.07 | perlmonkey | im so fucked off now with all this i can barely type |
| 19:04.16 | abrotman | stew: i think http://newraff.debian.org/~joeyh/stable-security.html .. was it .. now gone |
| 19:04.28 | necrogami | Slackware it detected under ataraid.i but i dont know how to access it in debian |
| 19:04.47 | TARZEAU | abrotman: tried bloboats now? |
| 19:04.50 | asg | abrotman: didn't joey just say he moved all his sites? |
| 19:05.02 | cydork | perlmonkey, the latest kernel in testing is 2.6.17 |
| 19:05.17 | perlmonkey | cydork: thanks |
| 19:05.21 | abrotman | asg: i think he moved kitenet |
| 19:05.27 | asg | ah, okay |
| 19:05.31 | abrotman | TARZEAU: no .. i have a job |
| 19:05.48 | TARZEAU | as if i don't |
| 19:06.31 | asg | TARZEAU: being the bub-n-bros fanboy-tester doesn't exactly count as a job you know |
| 19:06.35 | jade | how can i install the kernel module build environment need to build good kernel modules? |
| 19:06.51 | asg | jade: the best way is to install module-assistant and the run 'm-a prepare' |
| 19:07.04 | jade | asg, thanks |
| 19:07.11 | TARZEAU | asg: i haven't played it for months. and i do that stuff during my free time |
| 19:07.22 | jackass12 | yo enouf there? |
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| 19:07.32 | asg | TARZEAU: I know, I was just pulling your leg^Wpurple dragon |
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| 19:07.37 | jackass12 | apt-get update tcpspy ? |
| 19:08.05 | TARZEAU | jackass12: no |
| 19:08.27 | jackass12 | ah install |
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| 19:09.34 | wols | !b-e jade |
| 19:09.34 | dpkg | jade: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 19:10.11 | perlmonkey | how easy/viable is it to downgrade my system back |
| 19:10.20 | perlmonkey | i cant have this shit |
| 19:10.40 | asg | perlmonkey: not easy / possible if you know what you are doing (better to reinstall after backing up your volatile data first of course) |
| 19:10.55 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 19:12.43 | wols | perlmonkey: what kernel did you run before upgrading? |
| 19:12.57 | Dossy | AHA! |
| 19:12.59 | enouf | jackass12: yo |
| 19:13.01 | Dossy | I think I've found the cause of my printing problem. |
| 19:13.15 | Dossy | in the Debian kernel build, CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_FIFO=y is set. |
| 19:13.20 | Dossy | Unsetting that seems to be helping. |
| 19:13.24 | necrogami | stew, any suggestions? |
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| 19:13.49 | jackass12 | hi enouf ive made 2 rules, raddr and rport in a tcprules file |
| 19:13.53 | jackass12 | when i run it |
| 19:13.54 | jackass12 | thats fine |
| 19:13.59 | jackass12 | but where does it save the log to? |
| 19:14.04 | jackass12 | this tool looks good btw :) |
| 19:14.12 | jackass12 | that logs remote ips and portsd |
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| 19:16.08 | tzard | when I rebooted, net.lo didn't start. when I tried to start it manually, I got the message "/etc/init.d/net.lo: line 34: /lib/rcscripts/net.modules.d/helpers.d/functions: No such file or directory" is there something I have to enable or disable in the kernel? |
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| 19:16.16 | tzard | I was in the process of getting modular X, but apparently I forgot to do etc-update |
| 19:16.42 | asg | tzard: erm, what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:16.45 | simonrvn | net.lo? WTF does that comes from? |
| 19:16.46 | wols | tzard: wgat is /etc/init.d/net.lo |
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| 19:16.59 | abrotman | wgat is past tense of wget |
| 19:16.59 | pumpkin0 | apt-get update returns this: "W: GPG error: http://ftp.nl.debian.org sid Release: Unknown error executing gpgv" and says: "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems". How do i disable all gpg-checking ? |
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| 19:17.10 | asg | simonrvn: he was in #obsd earlier so all bets are off with this one |
| 19:17.17 | enouf | jackass12: I think you can alter sysctrl - see the -F facility option in that PDF - man syslog.conf |
| 19:17.18 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
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| 19:17.29 | asg | perlmonkey: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 19:17.31 | asg | bah |
| 19:17.43 | asg | pumpkin0: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
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| 19:18.30 | wols | ah, a gentoo ricer |
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| 19:18.33 | Rawplayer | Yay! |
| 19:18.36 | azuli1 | what a channel for debian in spanish? |
| 19:18.40 | Ronin | !es |
| 19:18.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:18.59 | azuli1 | tks |
| 19:19.12 | Ronin | no problem |
| 19:20.03 | zepeuga | how can i change manually my LANGUAGE setting ? |
| 19:20.13 | asg | zepeuga: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:20.21 | zepeuga | asg, manually |
| 19:20.21 | pumpkin0 | asg: thanks. |
| 19:20.42 | asg | zepeuga: set the LC_* variables in your dotfiles |
| 19:20.43 | wols | export LAND=newone |
| 19:20.50 | wols | *LAN |
| 19:20.51 | zepeuga | hmm ok thx |
| 19:20.54 | wols | grrrr |
| 19:20.56 | wols | *LANG |
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| 19:21.16 | wols | zepeuga: but make sure those languages were created with locales |
| 19:22.03 | Ztripez | sorry for a noob question.. to run a command as root in ubuntu you use "sudo" when i do it in debian i get "command not found" |
| 19:22.10 | stew | necrogami: have you tried the 2.6 install kernel or only the default 2.4 kernel? |
| 19:22.16 | simonrvn | !kill wols' typist |
| 19:22.17 | asg | Ztripez: apt-get install sudo |
| 19:22.22 | Tallu | Ztripez: just use 'su' or apt-get install sudo |
| 19:22.26 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 19:22.30 | necrogami | doesnt debian etch netinstall default to 2.6? |
| 19:22.34 | wols | zepeuga: you need to install "sudo". or you use "su" and become root |
| 19:22.40 | Ztripez | aha |
| 19:22.55 | TARZEAU | necrogami: etch doesn't have 2.4 anymore? |
| 19:23.04 | wols | simonrvn: are you volunteering to be my new one? by all means! |
| 19:23.07 | necrogami | nfc? |
| 19:23.15 | simonrvn | wols: no :) |
| 19:23.18 | simonrvn | !nfc |
| 19:23.18 | dpkg | hmm... nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 19:23.27 | stew | necrogami: oh, yeah, etch only has 2.6 |
| 19:23.31 | wols | drat! |
| 19:23.55 | stew | necrogami: and i don't see a ataraid driver, it must not be part of a standard linux kernel |
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| 19:24.25 | stew | necrogami: the card is likely to be fakeraid anyway, not real raid, you can run software raid on top of the inidividual disks perhaps |
| 19:24.32 | jade | it's using gcc-4.1 to build my kernel modules when i need it to use gcc-4.0, how can i fix this? i tried apt-get install gcc-4.0 then CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 but caused other errors. |
| 19:24.35 | asg | tzard: try #gentoo |
| 19:24.39 | necrogami | no |
| 19:24.59 | necrogami | Promise Tech PDC20265R controller ATA/Raid |
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| 19:25.49 | jackass12 | enouf can u help me with the syslog part |
| 19:25.54 | jackass12 | not sure how to do this |
| 19:25.58 | wols | necrogami: how much did the card cost? if it's less than 200-300$: fakeraid |
| 19:26.02 | jackass12 | i add an -F so its like this |
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| 19:26.18 | Bhavesh | am i at right place |
| 19:26.20 | denmaeth | ok i pasted it in #flood |
| 19:26.22 | jackass12 | /usr/sbin/tcpspy -F -f /etc/tcpspy.rules |
| 19:26.29 | simonrvn | cool, looks like i got it over the hump |
| 19:26.30 | Bhavesh | yes |
| 19:26.54 | wols | jade: what other errors? |
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| 19:27.06 | simonrvn | had to manaully upgrade a bunch of stuff... but i expected that sort of problem ;) |
| 19:27.11 | wols | jade: you could also link /usr/bin/gco to your gcc-4.0 |
| 19:27.19 | asg | simonrvn: as long as you still have cowsay, all will be well |
| 19:27.21 | simonrvn | i.e., run dpkg -x / dpkg -i |
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| 19:27.48 | simonrvn | hehe, cowsay isn't here yet :/ |
| 19:27.55 | enouf | jackass12: sorry - I'm not that good at this either - suggest you ask others more experienced -- or just read a lot and understand - then test (on a test system hopefully) |
| 19:28.19 | jackass12 | ok thx |
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| 19:29.33 | simonrvn | *sigh of relief* ubuntu is nice, but debian feels like home |
| 19:29.53 | cydork | :) |
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| 19:30.38 | Bhavesh | unstable trying to install kde and all apps.. apt-get install kde comes back with unsatisfied dependency |
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| 19:30.47 | zepeuga | doing export LANGUAGE=enblabla. it sets to what i want, but after reboot, e sets again to pt_BRblabla |
| 19:30.49 | simonrvn | i got to try out a few things, whcih is cool. but do anything out of the ordinary, and it starts to do weird things (ubuntu) |
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| 19:31.08 | asg | zepeuga: then put it in the dotfiles for your shell (.bashrc, .bash_profile, etc.) |
| 19:31.08 | wols | zepeuga: edit your dotfiles to make it permanent |
| 19:31.22 | simonrvn | Bhavesh: forget about the kde meta-package and install kde stuff with aptitude |
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| 19:31.47 | zepeuga | what are the dotfiles |
| 19:31.47 | zepeuga | _ |
| 19:32.00 | zepeuga | .bashrc ? |
| 19:32.08 | asg | zepeuga: man bash ; /INVOCATION |
| 19:32.26 | abrotman | Bhavesh: try kdebase |
| 19:32.41 | simonrvn | that's a dotfile. a dotfile is a "hidden" file, also called dot because of the period in front of it, to make it "hidden" |
| 19:32.42 | Bhavesh | Need to get 341MB/378MB of archives. After unpacking 985MB will be used. |
| 19:32.45 | Bhavesh | sorry |
| 19:32.56 | Bhavesh | abrotman: i tried that too and it gave me same problem about other kde packages |
| 19:33.08 | Bhavesh | simonrvn: your suggestion worked |
| 19:34.23 | simonrvn | i usually don't bother with the meta-packages that size, it's too much trouble.. they *have* to be maintained, also micro-managed, and i doubt anyone wants to do that |
| 19:34.24 | zepeuga | i dont have nothing in .bashrc relating to LANGUAGE |
| 19:34.41 | Bhavesh | nope it did not |
| 19:35.16 | simonrvn | hrm, i think i meant almost instead of also |
| 19:35.34 | Bhavesh | working with hybrid solution using kdebase but using aptitude |
| 19:35.48 | stew | \o/ my hd has been recovered |
| 19:35.49 | zepeuga | asg, |
| 19:35.56 | simonrvn | stew: yay |
| 19:36.03 | stew | yay for lvm |
| 19:36.07 | cydork | !beer stew |
| 19:36.10 | simonrvn | that's a new eagle call BTW ;p |
| 19:36.11 | Bhavesh | 44% [31 kdelibs4c2a 9433888/9674kB 97%] 785kB/s 45s |
| 19:36.14 | Bhavesh | not bad huh? |
| 19:36.25 | simonrvn | show-off ;p |
| 19:36.30 | Bhavesh | hehe |
| 19:36.31 | jackass12 | mmm can anyone help me make a script so tcpdump -n logs a file everyday for 2 weeks then removes the last weeks file |
| 19:36.31 | stew | i wish. no time for beer. now i actually start getting done the stuff i should have gotten done already |
| 19:36.32 | Bhavesh | of course :) |
| 19:36.37 | jackass12 | i guess the files will need to be dated |
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| 19:36.46 | abrotman | Bhavesh: with kde-base? |
| 19:36.50 | abrotman | erm .. kdebase |
| 19:36.51 | Bhavesh | abrotman: yes |
| 19:37.02 | Bhavesh | did i mess up? |
| 19:37.07 | simonrvn | nah |
| 19:37.25 | Bhavesh | i used aptitude to install kdebase and it seems to be working |
| 19:37.34 | Bhavesh | apt-get install kde or kde-base or kde-core didn't work |
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| 19:38.05 | jeward | Can anyone help me with iptables here? I'm trying to allow ssh on port 8889. |
| 19:38.10 | jeward | iptables -A Pub_OUT -o $IFACE -p tcp --sport 8889 -j ACCEPT |
| 19:38.11 | jeward | iptables -A Pub_IN -i $IFACE -p tcp --sport 8889 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 19:38.12 | simonrvn | apt-get isn't as good at dep resolving |
| 19:38.15 | asg | jeward: try #iptables or ##iptables |
| 19:38.19 | jeward | That doesn't work. |
| 19:38.20 | simonrvn | ...as aptitude |
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| 19:38.52 | Bhavesh | simonrvn: i heard but old habit die hard.. i should rename apt-get and create a link to aptitude called apt-get |
| 19:39.00 | jeward | Nobody alive on #iptables |
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| 19:39.03 | simonrvn | mmm no |
| 19:39.21 | Bhavesh | not a good idea? |
| 19:39.32 | simonrvn | Not A Good Idea |
| 19:40.34 | Bhavesh | nevermind |
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| 19:40.34 | Bhavesh | i will trained myself to use aptitude instead :) |
| 19:40.35 | Anjo_da_Morte | you just need to get used to aptitude |
| 19:40.35 | Zuko-Blast | hi |
| 19:40.35 | petemc | jeward: allow it from outside in, or inside out, or.. ? |
| 19:40.35 | abrotman | Bhavesh: paste the output! |
| 19:40.35 | Zuko-Blast | iam listening a lot about aptitude |
| 19:40.35 | epsilon | jeward: sport on 8889 doesn't make sence |
| 19:40.35 | Zuko-Blast | is it better than apt-get |
| 19:40.35 | Zuko-Blast | ? |
| 19:40.35 | simonrvn | scroll up |
| 19:40.35 | Bhavesh | of what? |
| 19:40.41 | Anjo_da_Morte | like installing a meta-package like kde with apt-get and then removing really shows the differences |
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| 19:40.51 | jeward | petemc: I want to initiate it from the machine and allow it to come back in. |
| 19:41.02 | jackass12 | can anyone help me make a script where tcpdump -n > day.txt will run once a day and save to /home/user and after one week the files get deleted and process starts again |
| 19:41.05 | jeward | epsilon: What should I use instead? |
| 19:41.28 | zepeuga | asg, in .bashrc or /etc/bash.bashrc i dont have anything related to LANGUAGE |
| 19:41.29 | Bhavesh | i will have to mentally train myself :) |
| 19:41.33 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 19:41.40 | jeward | epsilon: --dport? |
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| 19:41.59 | simonrvn | down to about 15 now... the list was more like ~100 before... |
| 19:42.02 | Bhavesh | now i have to go home and see if i can fire up X :) |
| 19:42.24 | necrogami | Anyone know how to connect to a Promise Tech PDC20265R |
| 19:42.54 | Zuko-Blast | aptitude or apt ? |
| 19:42.57 | necrogami | raid controller from the debian installer |
| 19:43.55 | enouf | jackass12: if nobody replies within 15 min try again later - also try other channels, such as irc.oftc.net #debian and even #bash on freenode - but don't keep repeating every couple of minutes ... thank you :-) I would offer a conjured up munge but it would most certainly bork your system at first |
| 19:44.12 | perlmonkey | on a scale of 1 to 10 how dangerous is it running gnome as root? |
| 19:44.53 | simonrvn | 11 |
| 19:44.57 | perlmonkey | phew |
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| 19:45.09 | FernandoMM | Hello, could someone tell me if there is a deb package for mon program avaible? |
| 19:45.10 | simonrvn | um, 10 being the highest |
| 19:45.14 | perlmonkey | what about if your system wont run X as normal user |
| 19:45.29 | simonrvn | repeat, DO NOT run X as root |
| 19:45.37 | perlmonkey | understood |
| 19:45.47 | abrotman | FernandoMM: for what? |
| 19:45.49 | Bhavesh | i once accidently ran it and i quickly logged ou |
| 19:45.51 | Bhavesh | out |
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| 19:45.53 | asg | zepeuga: edit your ~/.bashrc and add the export LANGUAGE=foo line near the bottom. logout ; login |
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| 19:46.01 | perlmonkey | Bhavesh did you get scared? |
| 19:46.06 | dan2 | abrotman: I'm getting my buddy to get me his extra fullsize dallas poster for my wall |
| 19:46.10 | dan2 | asg: how are ya!? |
| 19:46.11 | Bhavesh | perlmonkey: not really :) i was testing my nvidia driver |
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| 19:46.17 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 19:46.18 | asg | dan2: pretty good, you? |
| 19:46.21 | abrotman | dan2: buy me a guitar :) |
| 19:46.25 | simonrvn | perlmonkey: the x server is giant suid binary.... you don't want to run that as root |
| 19:46.37 | dan2 | asg: the eagles suck balls, and I'm becoming a dallas fan, but everything else is great |
| 19:46.43 | g333k_work | is there a way to get files remotely from my PC is I can connect to it via ssh? |
| 19:46.51 | abrotman | scp |
| 19:46.51 | asg | dan2: cool |
| 19:46.51 | perlmonkey | simonrvn: i hear ya, but how to run it as normal user? |
| 19:47.06 | g333k_work | abrotman, scp is not to send files to there? |
| 19:47.13 | Bhavesh | g333k_work: scp works both ways |
| 19:47.25 | g333k_work | ohThanks |
| 19:47.28 | simonrvn | you just do; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common (IIRC) to have it run by users on console |
| 19:47.35 | Bhavesh | scp source desti scp blah@blah.com/blah@192.129.1.1:/home/joe/file.txt . |
| 19:47.53 | Bhavesh | i meant |
| 19:47.57 | zepeuga | asg, thanks, but already changed /etc/default/locale, i think its better and more clean |
| 19:47.59 | dan2 | ls |
| 19:48.01 | dan2 | whoops |
| 19:48.11 | Bhavesh | scp blah@192.19.29.23:/home/jo/filename.tar.gz . |
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| 19:48.19 | abrotman | g333k_work: it can be |
| 19:48.33 | asg | zepeuga: dpkg-reconfigure locales should have done that anyway |
| 19:49.15 | g333k_work | abrotman, Bhavesh: the problem is that I have to know the correct route of the file taht is in the remote host |
| 19:49.32 | zepeuga | asg, it give me an error |
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| 19:49.35 | abrotman | g333k_work: use shfs |
| 19:49.41 | simonrvn | !shfs |
| 19:49.41 | dpkg | methinks shfs is http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 19:49.49 | zepeuga | asg, thats why i wanna change manually |
| 19:50.05 | simonrvn | shfs works nice |
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| 19:51.02 | usn | good evening |
| 19:51.08 | g333k_work | abrotman, Ok let me try it |
| 19:51.33 | dan2 | asg: I've got an interesting personal project I'm working on |
| 19:51.41 | dan2 | asg: I needed something to sort and organize my mp3s |
| 19:51.42 | asg | dan2: marriage? |
| 19:51.54 | dan2 | asg: how would that be personal |
| 19:52.00 | dan2 | asg: that's like signing your life away |
| 19:52.10 | asg | which is very personal :) |
| 19:52.13 | stew | i wish my marriage was better at keeping my mp3s organized |
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| 19:52.27 | seb- | what command turns on wep? iwconfig? |
| 19:52.38 | asg | stew: mine is. It resulted in my nano being confiscated so all I can listen to now is Van Halen II |
| 19:52.39 | perlmonkey | nautilus:1532): gnome-vfs-modules-WARNING:: could not initialize inotify |
| 19:52.42 | yang | why are applications like phpbb and wordpress in debian etch if they contain remote php bugs? |
| 19:52.43 | perlmonkey | any ideas? |
| 19:52.44 | Bhavesh | shfs hmm |
| 19:52.44 | stew | iwcnofig dev key keyid |
| 19:52.46 | perlmonkey | hi seb- |
| 19:53.02 | seb- | perlmonkey: hello |
| 19:53.04 | asg | yang: because etch isn't stable; that's why they call it testing. |
| 19:53.13 | Bhavesh | i missed that part |
| 19:53.15 | perlmonkey | seb- long time no see |
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| 19:53.36 | seb- | perlmonkey: true |
| 19:53.46 | yang | asg: so etch isn't suitable for servers at all |
| 19:53.46 | perlmonkey | seb- where you been? |
| 19:53.49 | asg | yang: no |
| 19:53.57 | abrotman | what did you think "stable" and "testing" meant? |
| 19:53.59 | yang | asg: and sarge doesn't gets updated at all any longer |
| 19:54.01 | g333k_work | abrotman, is sshfs or shfs ? |
| 19:54.07 | Bhavesh | i run stable on server |
| 19:54.14 | junix|work | when installing debian, what is the rule of thumb for Swap Space??? |
| 19:54.15 | asg | yang: sarge gets security updates and some minor fixes with the rX updates |
| 19:54.28 | junix|work | isnt' it 1.5X your RAM? |
| 19:54.30 | seb- | perlmonkey: i've been in here...prolly just happened to be when you were out..i've chatted w/ the prophet abrotman a couple o' times |
| 19:54.48 | perlmonkey | :) |
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| 19:55.07 | perlmonkey | what is nautilus |
| 19:55.15 | asg | junix|work: it really depends on what you run and what you expect your memory load to be. |
| 19:55.16 | perlmonkey | and do i need that shit |
| 19:55.16 | cusco | a filemanager |
| 19:55.19 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 19:55.25 | asg | junix|work: 1.5x is okay in most cases. |
| 19:55.34 | junix|work | asg: Asterisk |
| 19:55.53 | abrotman | g333k_work: shfs |
| 19:56.01 | abrotman | seb-: the what? |
| 19:56.11 | asg | junix|work: I'm not familiar with its operating conditions so I can't say for sure. |
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| 19:56.42 | asg | junix|work: how much RAM do you have in the machine? |
| 19:56.46 | seb- | stew: thanks... *where* do you store your keys so you can refer to them with a keyid?!? |
| 19:56.59 | Bhavesh | wow |
| 19:57.03 | Bhavesh | that was informative |
| 19:57.05 | seb- | abrotman: the Linux Debian Prophet! :) |
| 19:57.08 | perlmonkey | I'm too old for this lark |
| 19:57.19 | g333k_work | junix|work, why do you use Asterisk with Debian.... it is not meant to use with Centos? |
| 19:57.20 | stew | seb-: oh, sorry, i really mean, "iwconfig dev key yourwepkeyhere" keyid was confusing |
| 19:57.21 | Bhavesh | i have 1GB memory.. don't have to do anything special when i compile kernel do i? |
| 19:57.27 | perlmonkey | I cant believe I'm going to have format and reinstall my system at my time of life |
| 19:57.43 | seb- | stew: dev = interface such as eth0? |
| 19:57.46 | seb- | stew: thanks btw |
| 19:57.47 | asg | g333k_work: erm, no |
| 19:58.02 | stew | seb-: that assumes hex, if you are using the string that generates the hex then you want key s:string (iirc), yes. dev would be something like eth1 or wlan0 |
| 19:58.14 | g333k_work | junix|work, ifaik there is a debian sarge distro based, to use asterisk |
| 19:58.19 | junix|work | g333k_work: cENTos SUX |
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| 19:58.24 | g333k_work | afaik* |
| 19:58.30 | junix|work | g333k_work: it is slow |
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| 19:59.00 | psycke | hi. i wanna set up a mail server. with qmail + Maildir + virtual domains. what do yo recommend me?? |
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| 19:59.09 | g333k_work | junix|work, Yeah I hate it too.... but I thought that things with asterisk would be easier using it |
| 19:59.17 | psycke | vpopmail? vmailmgr? |
| 19:59.20 | Adrian_dlcspm | How would one pronounce the /usr directory? I'm being told its us-er, but "user" would tend to make more sense (given what it contains). |
| 19:59.26 | psycke | to receive pop3 |
| 19:59.27 | abrotman | slash user |
| 19:59.30 | psycke | or imap? |
| 19:59.52 | g333k_work | iu es er |
| 19:59.55 | g333k_work | lol |
| 19:59.56 | asg | psycke: try #qmail perhaps? |
| 20:00.01 | abrotman | Adrian_dlcspm: someone is telliung you it's slash - ooser ? |
| 20:00.18 | abrotman | oh .. us-er .. and in .. they gave that to us .. wtf |
| 20:00.21 | psycke | thanks asg |
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| 20:01.23 | asg | abrotman: you should start the hier(7) pronunciation guide |
| 20:01.28 | Adrian_dlcspm | abrotman, No, slash usser |
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| 20:01.34 | Adrian_dlcspm | abrotman, "us-er" |
| 20:01.48 | abrotman | asg: i should ? |
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| 20:01.50 | Adrian_dlcspm | abrotman, How its spelled really. |
| 20:01.53 | asg | abrotman: can't hurt |
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| 20:02.34 | abrotman | asg: i think it's gone |
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| 20:03.25 | Adrian_dlcspm | abrotman, How about /etc ? |
| 20:03.31 | abrotman | et-cee |
| 20:03.37 | asg | Adrian_dlcspm: slash et-cee |
| 20:03.44 | fireba11 | i just installed KDE on debian (for the first time .. *yay*) now i noticed in firefox taht i seem to lack some fonts ... how to go about that ? |
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| 20:04.57 | g333k_work | Why does my debian doesnt start with gdm at boot? In my inittab says that: # The default runlevel. |
| 20:04.57 | g333k_work | id:5:initdefault: |
| 20:05.06 | simonrvn | wrong channel |
| 20:05.20 | g333k_work | ? |
| 20:05.30 | Spec | debian's default init is not 5 |
| 20:05.31 | asg | g333k_work: debian doesn't use runlevel 5 by default. It's just the same as runlevel 2 |
| 20:05.34 | simonrvn | runlevel 2 is debian's default |
| 20:05.48 | asg | g333k_work: apt-get install gdm |
| 20:05.49 | Rez | someone _could've_ changed his default |
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| 20:06.12 | asg | Rez: he probably did since he thought he was running Redhat |
| 20:06.14 | Bhavesh | for me everytime i update the distro it adds gdm to default start up |
| 20:06.14 | g333k_work | What level is the 5 ? |
| 20:06.16 | simonrvn | certainly possible, but you're nitpicking |
| 20:06.17 | Bhavesh | and i have to remove it |
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| 20:06.35 | asg | g333k_work: by default, Debian's 2, 3, 4, and 5 runlevels are all the same. |
| 20:06.35 | bujah | hi |
| 20:06.52 | g333k_work | asg, so it would work for me... |
| 20:07.04 | bujah | how can I get a list of all packages (with versions) offered by a given repository in my sources.list? |
| 20:07.11 | bofh80 | sooo is firefox expected to dissapear ? crash? all the time or what . runnig etch! :) |
| 20:07.19 | asg | g333k_work: just install gdm and you should boot into it. |
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| 20:08.18 | perlmonkey | some issues with debian ftp server guys for packages |
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| 20:08.34 | Hoxzer | Geez! |
| 20:08.36 | Hoxzer | :) |
| 20:08.37 | g333k_work | asg, it is installed |
| 20:08.42 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 20:08.50 | fireba11 | any way to find out what type of ram a box uses ? |
| 20:08.58 | asg | bujah: apt-cache search . | while read package foo bar ; do apt-cache policy $package ; done (post process to your hearts content) |
| 20:09.26 | wols | fireba11: from chipset you can deduce the ram type normally |
| 20:09.59 | fireba11 | wols so .. no entry in /proc or somewhere i guess |
| 20:10.22 | simonrvn | Rez: i'm sorry, that wasn't very nice of me |
| 20:10.26 | wols | not for the RAM, no. but as I said; you can find out |
| 20:10.44 | fireba11 | wols will probably fast to just open the box though :-) |
| 20:11.14 | wols | not really. you have to usually take out the ram to see how fast it is |
| 20:11.57 | bujah | asg: how would I go about restricting this to only one repository then? |
| 20:12.13 | asg | bujah: grep(1) |
| 20:12.17 | bujah | asg: I can't use grep since this information apt-cache policy puts out is not all in one line |
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| 20:12.27 | perlmonkey | ok my system is screwed proper now |
| 20:12.35 | fireba11 | back to my fonts question ... i just installed x.org and kde-base .. working fine despite me being a n00b with that .. but it seems i got only a minimal font set, what is a morecomplete set ?i found lots in apt.get but don't know what i might want .. .? |
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| 20:12.49 | simonrvn | mine's unscrewed. but i did it on purpose =) |
| 20:12.57 | asg | bujah: grep's -A and -B options plus tr(1) to collapse newlines, etc. Save it to a file, use vi-fu. |
| 20:12.58 | fireba11 | wols: true .. but would have to do that anyway to put in more ram :-D |
| 20:13.00 | perlmonkey | do mine :P |
| 20:13.32 | simonrvn | well, i'd help, but i'm doing something else after |
| 20:13.49 | simonrvn | sorry :/ |
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| 20:14.04 | wols | fireba11: no. first you take the ram out look what type and speeds, then you go and fetch/buy it, then you put it in |
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| 20:14.09 | wols | longer downtime |
| 20:14.11 | cydork | fireba11, lshw gives some info about speed and all |
| 20:14.47 | fireba11 | wols still got some lying around |
| 20:14.48 | wols | bujah: look at the Packages.gz file each repository has |
| 20:14.51 | wols | parse it |
| 20:15.01 | bujah | asg: found the files in /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 20:15.14 | wols | fireba11: the time we talked about all this, I could have probably told you already what type it is :P |
| 20:15.26 | bujah | asg: thanks for your input |
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| 20:17.15 | Hoxzer | dpkg-divert: mismatch on package when removing `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx-legacy' found `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx' |
| 20:17.40 | Hoxzer | can I just delete that "ligGl.so"? |
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| 20:20.07 | Bhavesh | rm ligGl.so |
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| 20:20.25 | Hoxzer | yeah, but will it cause problems |
| 20:20.44 | enouf | Bhavesh: /msg dpkg rcconf - use rcconf to disable it at startup - see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ |
| 20:20.56 | Bhavesh | disable what? |
| 20:21.16 | enouf | [16:00:11] <Bhavesh> for me everytime i update the distro it adds gdm to default start up |
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| 20:21.37 | enouf | [16:00:13] <Bhavesh> and i have to remove it |
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| 20:22.37 | samueltc | hi |
| 20:22.44 | asg | g333k_work: ln -s /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm (that should do the trick if reinstalling gdm doesn't do it for you) |
| 20:22.59 | samueltc | there is a config file for 'ip' (the command)? |
| 20:23.10 | g333k_work | asg, ok let me tyr |
| 20:23.12 | g333k_work | try |
| 20:23.28 | stew | samueltc: several in /etc/iproute2 |
| 20:23.30 | perlmonkey | I got this scrolling up my screen now: |
| 20:23.41 | perlmonkey | VFS: busy inodes on changed media. |
| 20:23.47 | perlmonkey | clues? |
| 20:23.50 | samueltc | stew: thanks man |
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| 20:24.03 | Bhavesh | did i mention i like irsii? |
| 20:24.06 | Bhavesh | or irssi |
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| 20:24.28 | wols | Bhavesh: that's a given |
| 20:24.38 | wols | perlmonkey: do you have removable disks? |
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| 20:24.46 | perlmonkey | wols: no |
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| 20:25.49 | perlmonkey | system locks up frequently |
| 20:26.01 | perlmonkey | i think my upgrade screwed my system over |
| 20:26.06 | nehoksan | how to disable ipv6 support? |
| 20:26.35 | itrebal | why does debian install Grub to hda0 and not my SCSI drive? i'm at a loss of how to install it on my server |
| 20:26.37 | klonical | hi |
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| 20:26.49 | asg | nehoksan: compile a kernel without it or blacklist the ipv6 kernel modules |
| 20:26.52 | sjr | Are there any kernels built with suspend2 support |
| 20:28.00 | klonical | does de facto kernel image include CONFIG_IKCONFIG kernel support? |
| 20:28.21 | asg | klonical: look in /boot/config-$(uname -r) and see |
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| 20:28.48 | klonical | asg: Thanks |
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| 20:29.38 | perlmonkey | please send suggestions/ideas on a postcard if you know how to unscrew my screwed system |
| 20:30.40 | perlmonkey | cheers |
| 20:30.49 | perlmonkey | is it possible to downgrade from testing to stable? |
| 20:30.52 | abrotman | no |
| 20:30.56 | perlmonkey | shit |
| 20:31.33 | perlmonkey | well theres only one option left, i will have to run X as root from now on and live dangerously |
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| 20:31.52 | asg | !flw |
| 20:31.52 | dpkg | flw13 is, like, Viccinalis [~userlogin@bb220-255-25-217.singnet.com.sg] has quit ["Debian Unstable/Experimental...Linux on STEROIDS!!!"] |
| 20:32.05 | wols | itrebal: there is no hda0. and it installs itself wherever you tell it to |
| 20:32.15 | abrotman | perlmonkey: or you could fix it |
| 20:32.37 | perlmonkey | abrotman: I tried everything :-/ |
| 20:32.45 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 20:32.57 | perlmonkey | abrotman: what do you recommend |
| 20:33.04 | itrebal | wols: its trying hda0 and doesn't giv eme the option |
| 20:33.11 | asg | perlmonkey: backup volatile data, re-install stable. |
| 20:33.32 | perlmonkey | all my data is on nfs partition |
| 20:33.43 | perlmonkey | so in theory i can umount, format and reinstall |
| 20:33.46 | abrotman | perlmonkey: try again |
| 20:33.53 | abrotman | perlmonkey: did you finish your dist-upgrade ? |
| 20:34.00 | wols | itrebal: alpha? |
| 20:34.05 | perlmonkey | abrotman: yes its all finished now |
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| 20:34.31 | itrebal | wols: hrm? what about alpha? |
| 20:34.32 | abrotman | perlmonkey: and when you start X as a normal user ? |
| 20:34.37 | perlmonkey | ooo we got some errors on HDC |
| 20:34.44 | roconnor | Is it possible to use cdebootstrap to install debian stable from debian testing? |
| 20:34.59 | perlmonkey | Buffer I/0 error on device hdc, logical block 0 |
| 20:35.01 | perlmonkey | not good |
| 20:35.02 | wols | itrebal: your system. that is has a hda0 |
| 20:35.15 | wols | perlmonkey: smartmontools time |
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| 20:35.26 | simonrvn | that's more than just some X error... |
| 20:35.52 | itrebal | ah, its all SCSI (but the ide CD drive) - server |
| 20:35.53 | wols | perlmonkey: and memtest86 and any other stresstest you can think of |
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| 20:36.09 | perlmonkey | abrotman: when I start X as normal user, greyscreen X hangs, if i login as normal user from gdm, gnome starts, everythink seems weird, apps dont start, cant add/customise taskbar etc |
| 20:36.13 | wols | itrebal: what arhcitecture is the server? i386, alpha, sparc? |
| 20:36.26 | itrebal | 1386 |
| 20:36.30 | abrotman | perlmonkey: apt-get install gnome xserver-xorg |
| 20:36.32 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 20:36.34 | abrotman | gnome xorg |
| 20:37.03 | itrebal | it just installed everything and it now wants to install grub |
| 20:37.12 | perlmonkey | abrotman: already newest versions |
| 20:37.14 | wols | itrebal: then there can't be a hda0 |
| 20:37.21 | streuner | !tell roconnor about cdebootstrap |
| 20:37.38 | seb- | How check/fix apt-get?.....dpkg -l is SHOWING apps that i deleted already!?!? |
| 20:37.46 | seb- | what's up with that? |
| 20:37.59 | itrebal | waiting: there isn't & it fails and thinks it didnt |
| 20:38.03 | asg | seb-: do they say 'rc' instead of 'ii' at the begining? |
| 20:38.12 | seb- | asg: i'll go check |
| 20:38.15 | asg | seb-: if so, you didn't purge them. dpkg -P <pkg> |
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| 20:38.23 | enouf | dpkg : no, rcconf is <reply> "rcconf" is, like, a frontend to the update-rc.d, or check out "sysv-rc-conf" - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 20:38.23 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 20:38.25 | wols | seb-: only "ii" stuff is installed |
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| 20:38.49 | dekup | where should i type this to it start with every boot? > /sbin/modprobe snd-cs4236 index=0 port=0x530 cport=0x538 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=0 isapnp=0 |
| 20:38.50 | enouf | dpkg : no, runlevels is <reply> read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf', 'sysv-rc-conf' or 'file-rc' instead - see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 : or ask me about <startup> |
| 20:38.50 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 20:38.52 | itrebal | wols: ^ |
| 20:38.58 | seb- | asg: i saw rc's :) |
| 20:39.08 | junix|work | what is find and replace in VI? |
| 20:39.15 | perlmonkey | abrotman: should I reinstall sys now? |
| 20:39.22 | simonrvn | itrebal: FYI, it's 'i386' not 'l386' |
| 20:39.32 | abrotman | perlmonkey: no .. try the error logs |
| 20:39.32 | wols | itrebal: can you manually run grub-install? on another console? |
| 20:39.37 | seb- | asg: wait...i did 'apt-get --purge remove package' so why didn't *that* purge 'em!? |
| 20:39.51 | perlmonkey | hdc error is nothing. cdrom drive |
| 20:41.08 | itrebal | simonrvn: typo - sorry |
| 20:41.31 | itrebal | wols: i'm looking for it now |
| 20:41.31 | perlmonkey | abrotman: Im not seeing anything glaringly obvious, checked messages and kern.log. I'm sure its some kind of permission issue |
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| 20:41.57 | abrotman | have you checked the xsession logs in $HOME and/or /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:42.11 | streuner | roconnor: why would use somebody testing in order to install stable? |
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| 20:42.48 | simonrvn | itrebal: oh ok. np |
| 20:43.01 | perlmonkey | abrotman: thats tricky, if I try and access .xsession-errors in home, system hangs, only a reboot can free it |
| 20:43.22 | valdyn | abfr |
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| 20:43.34 | wols | perlmonkey: either your harddisk or your harddisk controler are BROKEN |
| 20:43.36 | blx | how do i choose wich gcc version kpkg uses? |
| 20:43.40 | itrebal | wols: ah! i hit "go back" and i'm now installing LILO to the right place |
| 20:43.42 | perlmonkey | abrotman: a cold boot! have to pull the plug |
| 20:43.44 | wols | unless you fix those, you will have problems. forever |
| 20:43.53 | roconnor | streuner: because I installed testing, and decided that I wanted stable on another partition. |
| 20:43.53 | valdyn | abrotman: he has a broken /home on nfs and is still trying to blame X for that or somesuch |
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| 20:44.05 | perlmonkey | wols: unlikely. I'm using a raid server and nfs for /home |
| 20:44.11 | streuner | roconnor: so just reinstall |
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| 20:44.21 | wols | ok, then your nfs setup is broken which in turn of course breaks X |
| 20:44.22 | abrotman | valdyn: i blame jesus |
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| 20:44.42 | wols | so don't lament about X, fix your NFS |
| 20:44.48 | cydork | !blame jesus |
| 20:44.49 | perlmonkey | big screen of errors now |
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| 20:45.09 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure that if i couldn't reach my $HOME and my . files .. i'd be pissed and refuse to start correctly too |
| 20:45.18 | simonrvn | i agree with wols, fix your nfs first... |
| 20:45.21 | roconnor | streuner: two reasons, 1) I don't have easy access to CDs or a CD-rom drive, 2) I'm installing it on a loop-aes-encrypted device. |
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| 20:45.34 | perlmonkey | DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach filed Could not open network socket |
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| 20:45.41 | simonrvn | fuck yeh... i'd re-prioritise to make sure it *did* work |
| 20:45.46 | perlmonkey | Link points to /tmp/ksocket-paul |
| 20:45.48 | abrotman | woohoo DCOP! |
| 20:45.54 | perlmonkey | whats this? |
| 20:46.04 | simonrvn | kde stuffs ... |
| 20:46.09 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 20:46.18 | valdyn | perlmonkey: thats kde not working because of your broken /home |
| 20:46.24 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 20:46.37 | Hal9000 | i have a problem with smartmontools and my 3ware controller... when i try to start smartmontools i get this error: Enabling S.M.A.R.T. for: /dev/sdaunable to fetch IEC (SMART) mode page [scsi response fails sanity test] |
| 20:46.37 | Hal9000 | (failed). |
| 20:46.40 | simonrvn | uh, no, it does that in normal cirsumstances |
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| 20:46.47 | simonrvn | circum* |
| 20:47.07 | abrotman | jerk |
| 20:47.15 | simonrvn | (not the DCOPClient error though the /tmp thing i meant) |
| 20:47.18 | Hal9000 | i have the 2.6.17.11 kernel and a 3ware controller with a RAID1 ata configuration |
| 20:47.36 | simonrvn | abrotman: hehe |
| 20:47.38 | wols | Hal9000: maybe 3ware doesn't honor smart commands? |
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| 20:48.08 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 20:48.15 | perlmonkey | debian uk ftp still down |
| 20:48.16 | abrotman | fix the nfs! |
| 20:48.23 | perlmonkey | im trying :-/ |
| 20:48.27 | pipeline | Hal9000, wols : It definitely does not. |
| 20:48.29 | abrotman | there is no try! |
| 20:48.39 | pipeline | Hal9000, wols : Most RAID hardware fails to deal with SMART intelligently. |
| 20:48.41 | Hal9000 | wols: the smartmontools website says it supports the 3ware controller... in fact, there is the -d 3ware parameter |
| 20:48.42 | simonrvn | DO IT :) |
| 20:48.44 | perlmonkey | i want to try and umount the nfs |
| 20:48.48 | abrotman | there is no try! |
| 20:48.54 | pipeline | Hal9000, wols : By the way, your 3ware controller will handle SMART warnings itself. |
| 20:48.57 | perlmonkey | and see if everything can operate normally in real home |
| 20:49.07 | perlmonkey | to isolate prob to nfs |
| 20:49.10 | wols | pipeline: I wish I had a 3ware controller :P |
| 20:49.14 | Hoxzer | http://pastebin.ca/176645 <- I really need to get rid of nvidia-glx diversion as it isn't really installed and conflicts with nvidia-glx-legacy. So any help to get this diversion removed would be apperticed |
| 20:49.17 | abrotman | not likely.. what you view as normal is really disfunctional |
| 20:49.24 | Hal9000 | pipeline: but how do i know when a harddrive is failing or has failed |
| 20:49.25 | perlmonkey | keeps saying device is busy :-/ |
| 20:49.30 | simonrvn | duh |
| 20:49.39 | pipeline | Hal9000: 3ware ships their own monitoring software |
| 20:49.43 | pipeline | wols: ugh. No you don't. |
| 20:49.52 | perlmonkey | sooo... |
| 20:49.54 | pipeline | wols: Hardware RAID is a pain in the ass. I *like* software. |
| 20:49.59 | wols | pipeline: let me decide what I want to sell on ebay and what not :P |
| 20:50.10 | wols | that 3ware could get me a new videocard or more! :P |
| 20:50.11 | simonrvn | Hoxzer: remove the non legacy one first, install the legacy one |
| 20:50.22 | pipeline | wols: oh, now I get it :) |
| 20:50.28 | wols | Hoxzer: and purge it too |
| 20:50.29 | Hoxzer | simonrvn: I tried |
| 20:50.36 | Hoxzer | wols: I did :) but I get erros |
| 20:50.53 | Hoxzer | I just removed that diversion which caused errors when trying to --purge |
| 20:51.22 | Hoxzer | :) worked |
| 20:51.28 | simonrvn | i've done that very manoeuvre like 4 times in the last few days |
| 20:51.40 | Bhavesh | i thought hardware raid was better /less cpu/resource intensive |
| 20:51.53 | Tallu | I think I'll be forced to install the wireless-dev tree |
| 20:52.02 | pipeline | Bhavesh: Well, it's certainly less CPU intensive. But, uh, we don't use Pentium MMXs and SuperSPARC chips anymore. |
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| 20:52.17 | wols | Bhavesh: trouble is, cpus are SOOO fast compared to drives now, the ressources needed don't really matter |
| 20:52.25 | pipeline | Bhavesh: My home desktop is, uh, very old. Software RAID5, running in failed mode, is about 20%. That's two arrays. On a 1.2 GHz processor. |
| 20:52.29 | Bhavesh | pipeline: very true.. |
| 20:52.35 | Bhavesh | wow |
| 20:52.40 | wols | and software raid is a ton more portable and has often more features since software is easier to write and add new features than in hardware |
| 20:52.43 | simonrvn | you call that very old? |
| 20:52.47 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 20:52.48 | Bhavesh | wols: point well taken |
| 20:52.49 | wols | plus hardware raid cards cost an ungodly amount of money |
| 20:52.58 | pipeline | simonrvn: Four years? |
| 20:53.13 | Bhavesh | so if i have a ATA/133 card and put 3 drives in say 100G each i can setup a software raid? |
| 20:53.15 | simonrvn | that's "new stuff" to me |
| 20:53.23 | wols | Bhavesh: yes |
| 20:54.14 | StarWars | hi |
| 20:54.23 | perlmonkey | whats the command to add sources to apt again |
| 20:54.28 | Bhavesh | now i just need to get another 200G hdd.. so i can have 3 200G hdds :) |
| 20:54.35 | wols | Bhavesh: but keep it easy and put /boot on its own partition outside the RAID |
| 20:54.35 | Bhavesh | i have two 200G hdd's |
| 20:54.40 | pipeline | Bhavesh: I buy all drives in 4s. |
| 20:54.48 | StarWars | What source i must have to install mysql and php 5.x |
| 20:54.48 | Bhavesh | ok i will get 2 more 200G drives |
| 20:54.49 | pipeline | Bhavesh: A 3-drive RAID5 is just too egregiously wasteful ;) |
| 20:54.50 | simonrvn | model name : Pentium III (Coppermine); cpu MHz : 501.215 |
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| 20:55.00 | pipeline | simonrvn: That's actually not much older than my 1.2 :P |
| 20:55.06 | wols | StarWars: for sarge: backports.org |
| 20:55.08 | Bhavesh | well my machine.. this one is Dual PIII@866 |
| 20:55.21 | Bhavesh | and my computer in my room is XP 2000+ |
| 20:55.23 | pipeline | simonrvn: Of course, if you're using a *single* P3 500, you poor guy :( |
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| 20:55.47 | perlmonkey | nowt wrong with p3-500 |
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| 20:56.03 | Bhavesh | wols: how about a 2GB hdd to put boot on? :) |
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| 20:56.35 | itrebal | Bhavesh: i've got my swap on a 2gd |
| 20:56.38 | itrebal | gb* |
| 20:56.39 | wols | Bhavesh: just as long as the kernel is not inside the raid, all is fine. but if you go 2G hdd, put it on its own controller alone. or you will degraed your raid performance |
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| 20:57.48 | Bhavesh | wols i am so far dreaming of it.. i am actually trying to make my bedroom computer quieter so i am trying to minimize # of drives |
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| 20:58.08 | Bhavesh | itrebal: i have one 80gb and other 200gb drive and 80g has linux+swap |
| 20:58.09 | tzard | my debianbox is loosing connection to the dsl modem. if I login to teh box and type ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0 then it works again.. anyone know how to fix this? |
| 20:58.22 | wols | Bhavesh: what cpu cooler do you have on that bedroom PC? |
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| 20:58.27 | wols | and how big is its fan? |
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| 20:58.48 | simonrvn | pipeline: yes, single proc. and yes i am in fact :) hehehe |
| 20:58.48 | Bhavesh | wols: i have an old ugly looking aluminum block can't remember the name.. |
| 20:58.55 | Bhavesh | wols: inside an Antec P160 case |
| 20:59.01 | simonrvn | pipeline: WorksForMe |
| 20:59.02 | tzard | anyone? |
| 20:59.02 | Bhavesh | with Antec 430W power supply |
| 20:59.32 | wols | StarWars: stop messaging please |
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| 20:59.40 | wols | ask stuff in channel |
| 20:59.40 | itrebal | gah! LILO isn't booting! |
| 20:59.45 | simonrvn | !tell StarWars about ask |
| 20:59.48 | StarWars | wols sory |
| 21:00.25 | wols | Bhavesh: first order of the day is always: get the biggest possible fan (80 or 120) for the CPU |
| 21:00.27 | SeanTater | amarok says my entire ogg collection is not playable.. anything I might need to install? |
| 21:00.35 | wols | !bpo StarWars |
| 21:01.01 | wols | !tell StarWars about bpo |
| 21:01.01 | Bhavesh | wols: from what i see the cpu is not getting hot.. i may have check again though |
| 21:01.23 | wols | Bhavesh: it's not about temp, it's about noise. smaller fans are louder |
| 21:01.41 | perlmonkey | my cdrom keeps opening by itself |
| 21:01.56 | stew | perlmonkey: use duct tape? |
| 21:02.00 | wols | perlmonkey: your PC is possessed |
| 21:02.02 | Bhavesh | wols: very true.. this one has big fan and i can hardly hear it outside |
| 21:02.12 | perlmonkey | theres an evil gremlin in my system |
| 21:02.27 | wols | Bhavesh: then you need NAS obviously :) |
| 21:02.28 | Bhavesh | the case is good about supressing noise |
| 21:02.31 | Bhavesh | hehe |
| 21:02.32 | Bhavesh | brb |
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| 21:03.18 | hjubal | bye |
| 21:03.21 | perlmonkey | does anyone know if Monkey Linux is still going |
| 21:03.27 | perlmonkey | the micro dist |
| 21:03.36 | perlmonkey | I may as well run that |
| 21:03.59 | Bhavesh | i was thining about setting up a nas..but using USB external drive case |
| 21:04.01 | Hal9000 | root@fonzie:~/3ware# ./install.3dm |
| 21:04.01 | Hal9000 | Illegal variable name. |
| 21:04.03 | Hal9000 | GREAT |
| 21:04.04 | wols | perlmonkey: #monkeylinux |
| 21:04.06 | perlmonkey | I have 4 fans in my system but i hear nothing |
| 21:04.10 | perlmonkey | wols: thanks |
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| 21:07.12 | Hal9000 | how do i change the shell i am working on? |
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| 21:07.26 | qbit_wrk | chsh |
| 21:07.27 | petemc | type the name of the shell you want to use |
| 21:07.32 | fireba11 | hm .. can view a smb share in konqueror but when i try to mount it i get errors .. any hints what i am doing wrong ? |
| 21:08.07 | petemc | fireba11: at a guess, incorrect syntax for the mount command |
| 21:08.11 | wols | fireba11: you aren't telling us the exact errors, that's what you're doing wrong |
| 21:08.29 | perlmonkey | how many prime numbers are |
| 21:08.34 | perlmonkey | there |
| 21:09.03 | zinx | there is no limit to the number of prime numbers |
| 21:09.08 | Guerin | perlmonkey: n |
| 21:09.11 | stew | perlmonkey: plenty |
| 21:09.11 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 21:09.14 | fireba11 | wols: true .. but it's really unspecific .. mount says "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.0.1/Music, missing codepage or other error" ^^ |
| 21:10.07 | SeanTater | I have libogg and libvorbis on etch, but amarok will not play any of my ogg files, saying they are not playable -- what should I do> |
| 21:10.08 | wols | fireba11: smbfs is installed? |
| 21:10.12 | fireba11 | am trying "mount -t smbfs //192.168.0.1/Folder /opt/folder" |
| 21:10.24 | Guerin | SeanTater: use something other than amarok |
| 21:10.39 | Guerin | SeanTater: test using ogg123 |
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| 21:10.49 | SeanTater | Guerin: okay -- trying |
| 21:10.58 | fireba11 | wols: guess so, since i can access it in konqueror normally .. how can i check ? |
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| 21:11.58 | wols | fireba11: just try to install it? |
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| 21:12.24 | SeanTater | Guerin: "play" can play it, but I don;t have ogg123, and there is no ogg1234 package |
| 21:12.31 | fireba11 | wols: wth .. it seems it really wasnt installed ... ^^ |
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| 21:13.08 | SeanTater | Guerin: dpkg -S does not see ogg123 anywhere either |
| 21:13.32 | wols | !info vorbis-tools |
| 21:13.44 | dpkg | vorbis-tools: (several Ogg Vorbis tools), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.1.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 177 kB, Installed size: 572 kB |
| 21:13.46 | perlmonkey | !info gdk-imlib1 |
| 21:13.49 | dpkg | gdk-imlib1: (compatibility package for gdk-imlib11), section oldlibs, is optional. Version: 1.9.14-31 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 21:13.52 | himmelstr_utz | I need some recommandation on nerdy sites, other than slashdot that are writing about gnu/linux topics... shoot ppl. |
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| 21:14.06 | SeanTater | wols: installing it now, thanks |
| 21:14.07 | tzard | ok my modem has a conf at 192.168.1.1 but I cannot access it from the linuxbox.. how can I make it possible to access there? |
| 21:14.13 | perlmonkey | !info libxine1 |
| 21:14.15 | fireba11 | wols: working now .. but that was mighty stupid .. also i'm wondering how konqueror is accessing the smb share then ^^ |
| 21:14.18 | dpkg | libxine1: (the xine video/media player library, binary files), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.1.2-5 (sid), Packaged size: 3434 kB, Installed size: 7148 kB |
| 21:14.21 | SeanTater | Guerin: Installing vorbis-tools now, I'll try again |
| 21:14.28 | wols | tzard: what's in your /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 21:14.39 | wols | perlmonkey: do it in a query window please |
| 21:14.47 | wols | fireba11: kioslave |
| 21:15.02 | perlmonkey | wols: im done |
| 21:15.02 | fireba11 | wols: what ? |
| 21:15.16 | wols | fireba11: that's how konq does it IIRC |
| 21:15.46 | SeanTater | Guerin: amarok still will not play |
| 21:15.56 | fireba11 | wols: ah .. but since amarok doesn't seem to use it too i needed to mount it to play around with it :-) |
| 21:16.13 | SeanTater | Guerin: "play" (sox) and "ogg123" (vorbis-tools) will |
| 21:16.34 | wols | SeanTater: have you restarted amarok? |
| 21:16.40 | SeanTater | wols: yes |
| 21:16.50 | seb- | what's the diff between 'dpkg -P' and 'apt-get --purge remove' ??? |
| 21:17.00 | SeanTater | wols: amarok will not play them |
| 21:17.09 | pipeline | simonrvn: Single processor is very sad indeed :( |
| 21:17.46 | SeanTater | seb-: probably not much |
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| 21:18.03 | wols | seb-: dependency handling obviously |
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| 21:18.24 | seb- | wols: you mean the apt-get choice will remove dependencies as well? |
| 21:18.36 | wols | reverse dependencies |
| 21:19.08 | wols | packages that depend on the removed package will also be removed |
| 21:19.29 | seb- | wols: the --purge didn't work for me (still showed up in dpkg -l list) but dpkg -P blew it away better |
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| 21:19.53 | Flawless | are debian -smp kernels HIGHMEM enabled? if not, can I get an official kernel that is? |
| 21:20.10 | Guerin | Flawless: how much mighmem? |
| 21:20.15 | Flawless | 1GB |
| 21:20.27 | itrebal | GAH! this is stressing me out - i installed GRUB to a floppy and now it says "GRUB Hard Disk Error" |
| 21:20.28 | Tallu | thats not even highmem I think |
| 21:20.32 | Guerin | Flawless: to test, grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 21:20.34 | pipeline | Flawless: Debian kernels come set for 4G by default. |
| 21:20.35 | Flawless | Tallu: it is |
| 21:20.36 | pipeline | Tallu: Yes it is. |
| 21:20.37 | wols | seb-: how did it show? "ii" "rc" etc? |
| 21:20.39 | Tallu | Flawless: its 4gb |
| 21:20.48 | pipeline | Tallu: There's a barrier at 896M, for which you have to have highmem4g set to yes. |
| 21:20.50 | Tallu | Flawless, pipeline, ok sorry |
| 21:20.53 | Guerin | Flawless: 2001 wants its computer back |
| 21:20.55 | seb- | wols: i got 'rc's with --purge but not dpkg -P |
| 21:21.08 | Flawless | From dmesg: "Warning only 896MB will be used. | Use a HIGHMEM enabled kernel.| 896MB LOWMEM available." |
| 21:21.18 | slept | why are there 2 #debian channel in use (freenode and oftc) - what is that good for ? |
| 21:21.24 | Guerin | Flawless: then you must be running an old debian |
| 21:21.26 | wols | Flawless: are you using an installer kernel? |
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| 21:21.36 | Flawless | wols: what? I'm not |
| 21:21.40 | Flawless | wols: at least I don't think :) |
| 21:21.41 | SeanTater | slept: they are moving to oftc, but freenode is still available |
| 21:21.43 | wols | slept: ther are even more |
| 21:21.49 | wols | Flawless: so what version do you run? |
| 21:21.57 | Guerin | SeanTater: the official channel used to be this one, but the debian leaders, in their great wisdom, changed to oftc. This one persist mostly out of inertia |
| 21:21.59 | Flawless | wols: debian sarge, kernel |
| 21:22.00 | abrotman | SeanTater: they changed the dns entry for irc.debian.org |
| 21:22.09 | abrotman | !oftc move |
| 21:22.09 | dpkg | oftc move is probably irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 21:22.09 | stew | Flawless: all of the debian 32 but 2.6 kernels except 2.6.8-3-386 support up to 4gb |
| 21:22.10 | Flawless | 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:22.14 | wols | Flawless: that wasn't answering my question |
| 21:22.27 | stew | Flawless: ifyou get -686 kernel, it will support all of your 1gb |
| 21:22.32 | Guerin | Flawless: to test, grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 21:22.33 | Flawless | doh |
| 21:22.36 | wols | Flawless: this is a exploitable kernel too |
| 21:22.38 | pipeline | Guerin, SeanTater : Now that Lilo is gone, it's possible that freenode will come back from the dead. |
| 21:22.40 | Flawless | that's was easy |
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| 21:22.45 | Flawless | wols: I know, local root |
| 21:22.47 | geemark | I've heard about some automatic tool that reads your logfiles every night, and sends a digest of all the interesting stuff (attacks, failures etc) - does anyone know such a tool that is easy to install and configure on debian testing? |
| 21:22.49 | stew | Flawless: what cpu(s) do you have? |
| 21:22.50 | abrotman | Flawless: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:22.54 | Flawless | stew: 686+ |
| 21:22.56 | junix|work | i am trying to install asterisk on Debian 3.1, and am getting unmet dependencies....can anyone help? |
| 21:22.58 | Flawless | abrotman: yep, thanks |
| 21:22.58 | jade | how can i add a directory to the system path for all users and root user, and add to the man path as well? |
| 21:23.08 | Flawless | I didn't know there was this difference between 386 and 686 |
| 21:23.10 | jade | which /etc/ file? |
| 21:23.11 | abrotman | Flawless: or append a -smp if you need it |
| 21:23.12 | Flawless | I do now. thanks :) |
| 21:23.20 | Flawless | abrotman: Not on this machine |
| 21:23.21 | abrotman | jade: /etc/profile |
| 21:23.26 | abrotman | !tell jade about grounding |
| 21:23.27 | jade | thanks |
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| 21:23.48 | fireba11 | junix|work: use apt.-get to install it ^^ |
| 21:23.55 | wols | Flawless: ever seen a 386 with >=1GB RAM? :) |
| 21:23.58 | tzard | ok my modem has a conf at 192.168.1.1 but I cannot access it from the linuxbox.. how can I make it possible to access there? |
| 21:23.58 | geemark | !tell geemark about grounding |
| 21:24.01 | Flawless | wols: yeah yeah, details ;) |
| 21:24.05 | junix|work | fireba11: i did, i'm installing from backports |
| 21:24.07 | tzard | any suggestions? |
| 21:24.09 | abrotman | !tell geemark about selftell |
| 21:24.11 | Flawless | wols: but I' |
| 21:24.16 | wols | tzard: what is the content of your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:24.16 | Flawless | wols: but I've seen one with 64MB! :) |
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| 21:24.21 | fireba11 | junix|work: oh, wait .. i'm on etch :-D sarge will probably not have it |
| 21:24.36 | abrotman | Flawless: there's also a performance hit for each level of HIGHMEM support |
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| 21:24.44 | fireba11 | junix|work: if you did set up backports correctly it should pull dependancies from there |
| 21:24.46 | Flawless | abrotman: I know |
| 21:24.53 | abrotman | (though .. maybe there really should be a -64G or something) |
| 21:24.57 | Flawless | abrotman: but there's also a performance hit for each level of swapping ;) |
| 21:25.08 | abrotman | Flawless: this is your desktop isn't it ? |
| 21:25.12 | Flawless | abrotman: no, the server doesn't do this, but yes I would like ~120MB extra mem for caching |
| 21:25.17 | Flawless | abrotman: certainly not |
| 21:25.39 | abrotman | i'd like some extra caching too ... papa wants a brand new bag! |
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| 21:25.44 | Flawless | :) |
| 21:25.46 | Stromberg` | heya |
| 21:25.54 | Stromberg` | whats better: firestarter or guarddog? |
| 21:26.02 | Stromberg` | better = easier to use and prettier |
| 21:26.02 | junix|work | fireba11: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:26.02 | junix|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.02 | junix|work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:26.17 | abrotman | did you read the howto at backports.org ? |
| 21:26.20 | abrotman | !best |
| 21:26.20 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 21:26.27 | Stromberg` | hey i did that |
| 21:26.37 | Stromberg` | [23:26:09] <Stromberg`> better = easier to use and prettier |
| 21:26.38 | junix|work | abrotman: yes i did |
| 21:26.38 | enouf | Rasberry Beret? |
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| 21:26.46 | abrotman | dude .. you want to judge your firewall tool on ... "pretty" ? |
| 21:26.50 | Stromberg` | yep :) |
| 21:26.57 | Stromberg` | im the kde kind of guy |
| 21:26.59 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 21:27.13 | Stromberg` | focus on easier to use |
| 21:27.24 | Guerin | Stromberg`: you don't need to USE a firewall |
| 21:27.33 | RolandU | hi all! I am trying to get my Radeon 9200 working using fglrx-drivers. Everything seems to be fine, however there is no image on my DVI-port (I can log in blind and will hear the sound). I am not sure whether there is an image on the other port, as I don't have a cable for that. |
| 21:27.36 | Guerin | Stromberg`: it starts on boot, and that's it. |
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| 21:27.54 | Stromberg` | im amazed that uPnP seems to work |
| 21:27.54 | stew | RolandU: why are you using the non-free drivers instead of the free drivers? |
| 21:28.05 | Stromberg` | azureus accepts conncections on some ports |
| 21:28.24 | Stromberg` | i hope its uPnP ;) |
| 21:28.25 | enouf | RolandU: get a cable ? |
| 21:28.28 | RolandU | stew, I want 3d and all the how-tos I found tell me that I have to use fglrx for that. ati/radeon won't work. |
| 21:28.31 | Stromberg` | and not all ports are open hehe |
| 21:28.40 | Stromberg` | thats why i wanted some graphical config thingy |
| 21:28.45 | junix|work | fireba11: have you isntalled asterisk on debian? |
| 21:28.49 | stew | RolandU: that's not true, the free drivers support 3d ("man radeon" would confirm this) |
| 21:29.07 | amphi | RolandU: 9200 is fully supported by the xorg radeon driver |
| 21:29.08 | wols | RolandU: at least they do for your videocard |
| 21:29.12 | desti | who has highlighted me? |
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| 21:29.28 | stew | desti: /lastlog desti |
| 21:29.41 | abrotman | destitute |
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| 21:30.18 | LinuxHelp | How do I get sound through my XDMCP? |
| 21:30.18 | RolandU | stew, ok, I will try radeon then.... |
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| 21:30.32 | LinuxHelp | I'm using gdm, OSS, and 2.6.17 on testing |
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| 21:30.42 | junix|work | LinuxHelp: i don't think that is possible |
| 21:30.51 | Guerin | Stromberg`: i recommend something based on feayn.org/~lewis/iptables.sh |
| 21:31.06 | Guerin | no |
| 21:31.16 | Guerin | feayn.org/~lewis/iptables.txt |
| 21:31.20 | desti | stew my log isn't long enough |
| 21:31.27 | RolandU | stew, switched back to radeon, however no 3d. |
| 21:31.29 | LinuxHelp | junix|work, right then, how do I transfer sound over a network? |
| 21:31.39 | stew | sjr: plesae don't |
| 21:31.41 | abrotman | SJr: die please |
| 21:31.49 | stew | desti: 15:47 < Bhavesh> scp source desti scp blah@blah.com/blah@192.129.1.1:/home/joe/file.txt . |
| 21:31.49 | junix|work | LinuxHelp: for doing what? |
| 21:31.52 | luke-jr_work | SJr: ... |
| 21:31.57 | LinuxHelp | junix|work, for listening |
| 21:32.05 | sjr | sorry |
| 21:32.07 | desti | thx :-) |
| 21:32.08 | Guerin | LinuxHelp: you probably want nas |
| 21:32.09 | junix|work | LinuxHelp: what are you wanting to do? |
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| 21:32.21 | Guerin | junix|work: play a song on box a and listen to it on box b |
| 21:32.26 | DaBlade | sjr: Why'd you ping me? :) |
| 21:32.34 | abrotman | DaBlade: he pinged the channel |
| 21:32.40 | DaBlade | Ah |
| 21:32.42 | Guerin | DaBlade: because he's a drooling moron who doesn't know how to control his irc client |
| 21:32.43 | perlmonkey | Symptom: After running startx as normal user, X appears to start, but hangs on black screen with a white pointer (mouse appears to work). |
| 21:32.44 | LinuxHelp | junix|work, I want to somehow hear my xmms when I'm using my xdmcp on my laptop |
| 21:32.59 | streuner | Guerin: :-) |
| 21:32.59 | abrotman | perlmonkey: did you fix NFS yet? |
| 21:33.02 | DaBlade | Guerin: Whoa, no need to say shit like that |
| 21:33.09 | DaBlade | Guerin: Everybody's a newb at some point |
| 21:33.11 | StarWars | hi all. I have some file.sql working on mysql 5.1.x ver. and i cheange my box with a old mysql server "4.0.24_Debian-10sarge2-log" what i must to do to make my file.sql to work on 4.0.24_Debian-10sarge2-log ?? |
| 21:33.12 | Guerin | DaBlade: it's the reason, though. You asked. |
| 21:33.14 | perlmonkey | abrotman: concluded there is no problem with NFS |
| 21:33.14 | DaBlade | Give him a chance to learn |
| 21:33.23 | streuner | heh |
| 21:33.24 | abrotman | perlmonkey: ok |
| 21:33.45 | DaBlade | A few years ago I couldn't tell the difference between IRC network and IRC channel. |
| 21:33.45 | LinuxHelp | StarWars :D you can join my club of cool nicks |
| 21:33.46 | streuner | DaBlade: usually its HARD to ping the whole channel at all... |
| 21:33.49 | abrotman | where Guerin learns to control his irc client :) |
| 21:34.01 | DaBlade | streuner: everyone makes mistakes sometimes.. |
| 21:34.08 | abrotman | or they do it intentionally |
| 21:34.09 | wols | perlmonkey: concluded there is no problem in X either. btw: can you open your X.log in your ~ now? |
| 21:34.09 | Guerin | amphi: i can control my irc client!!!1 |
| 21:34.13 | perlmonkey | abrotman: well theres no errors reported for NFS, and root user can run X no problem..soo :-/ |
| 21:34.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:34.18 | StarWars | LinuxHelp not. now. i need a Guru in mysql First. |
| 21:34.19 | Guerin | abrotman: :) |
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| 21:34.24 | junix|work | LinuxHelp: i will help you l;ater if i can |
| 21:34.24 | abrotman | nice misfire |
| 21:34.34 | abrotman | i'm sure he'll be wondering about that :) |
| 21:34.41 | Guerin | abrotman: you wouldn't believe me if I told you it ws intentional |
| 21:34.49 | streuner | DaBlade: that's true, but to ping the whole channel (i repeat) its hard... |
| 21:34.55 | amphi | Guerin: ? |
| 21:34.59 | DaBlade | Alrighty |
| 21:35.02 | LinuxHelp | junix|work, I will be a sleeping later if I can :) I'll just try nas |
| 21:35.04 | Guerin | amphi: you got caught in joke crossfire |
| 21:35.06 | perlmonkey | lots of errors like this on exiting X: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 |
| 21:35.10 | Guerin | amphi: collateral damage. Sorry. |
| 21:35.15 | amphi | Guerin: no worries ;) |
| 21:35.41 | abrotman | !qotd175 is <reply>* Guerin -> skool | <abrotman> where Guerin learns to control his irc client :) | <Guerin> amphi: i can control my irc client!!!1 |
| 21:35.41 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 21:36.08 | cydork | heheh |
| 21:36.27 | streuner | DaBlade: if you ask those people why they did it, in 999 of 1000 cases they knew what they did wrong... |
| 21:36.29 | wols | perlmonkey: can you access .xsession-errors now? |
| 21:36.32 | Guerin | heh |
| 21:36.36 | abrotman | Guerin: have fun |
| 21:36.44 | fireba11 | hm .. 90 minutes to install x.org, kde and amarok and play around a bit with it .. not bad since that includes download time and i never did that bevore :-D |
| 21:37.02 | Guerin | amphi: i'm probably going to have to open MA negotiations today |
| 21:37.04 | perlmonkey | wols: yeah |
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| 21:37.11 | wols | as a normal user? |
| 21:37.12 | Guerin | ok, joke's over |
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| 21:37.16 | perlmonkey | wols: yup |
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| 21:37.59 | perlmonkey | maybe forcing X to reconfigure instead of using old config will solve these probs? |
| 21:38.22 | qbit_wrk | whoa |
| 21:38.36 | StarWars | http://pastebin.ca/176685 Mysql DUMP file problem from version 5 to 4.0 |
| 21:38.36 | perlmonkey | in X log: Invalid entry (missing '=') at /home/paul/.kde/share/config/khotkeys_update:63 |
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| 21:39.14 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 21:39.39 | perlmonkey | kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/file-roller.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/x-java-archive' |
| 21:39.42 | stew | StarWars: it appears that mysql 4.0 doesn't support the Mysql5.0 collate keyword |
| 21:40.08 | StarWars | any mysql Guru online ? |
| 21:40.24 | perlmonkey | ditto for x-7z-compressed, x-cd-image, x-ear, x-dia-diagram |
| 21:40.27 | bofh80 | ARGHGHR - all my web browsers keep quitting / segfaulting / all the f**kin time, opera, epihany, mozilla |
| 21:40.45 | itrebal | #mysql Maybe? StarWars |
| 21:40.47 | stew | StarWars: have you tried #mysql ? |
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| 21:41.09 | stew | bofh80: do they all have a flash plugin installed? |
| 21:41.12 | confrey | I'm trying to use k3b for writing cd, but I have a error : k3b can't find cdrecord, while it's installed and has 4711 as permission... what can I do? |
| 21:41.15 | fireba11 | bofh80: lol ... what did you do to your porr debian install ? |
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| 21:41.58 | perlmonkey | gnome-panel:4267: WARNING ** Failed to lock: Input/Output error. kded Fatal IO error: client killed |
| 21:42.40 | perlmonkey | how do you force a reconfiguration of x? |
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| 21:42.58 | anapivirtua_ | Nighty. |
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| 21:44.15 | confrey | perlmonkey, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:44.21 | confrey | if you use xorg |
| 21:44.22 | perlmonkey | confrey: thanks |
| 21:44.33 | confrey | as root.. |
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| 21:45.23 | jade | where do i set the system wide MANPATH? tried to set in /etc/bash.bashrc, but didnt set |
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| 21:45.48 | stew | !wikifaq jade DotFiles |
| 21:45.48 | dpkg | jade: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 21:46.07 | jade | thanks |
| 21:46.15 | confrey | how can I tell to k3b cdrecord is installed? |
| 21:46.28 | floundering | Hi I ran debmirror and mirrored sarge, but apt-get update is looks for stable, The (sym) link I made from sarge to stable seems to be ignored because the ftp server can not find the files. What to do? |
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| 21:46.48 | petemc | confrey: k3b-setup? i seem to remember using something like that a while ago |
| 21:46.51 | bofh80 | stew, quite possibly. is flash that bad? i mean i know it sux, but i didn't think it was that bad lol. |
| 21:46.56 | goetter | is there a way to check and see if my usb hard drive is running in DMA or PIO? |
| 21:47.15 | streuner | goetter: hdparm? |
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| 21:47.41 | streuner | goetter: use hdparm if it supports USB drives, or dmesg |
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| 21:49.53 | confrey | petemc, I used it, but nothing change |
| 21:50.02 | streuner | i doubt that USB support DMA or PIO at all |
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| 21:50.49 | goetter | streuner: where does hdparam come from? |
| 21:50.51 | perlmonkey | I think its time to reinstall, enough hours wasted :-/ |
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| 21:51.08 | streuner | !info hdparm |
| 21:51.11 | dpkg | hdparm: (tune hard disk parameters for high performance), section admin, is optional. Version: 6.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 21:51.39 | streuner | goetter: forget hdparm, USB has its own protocol and its slow |
| 21:51.52 | goetter | streuner: well, i notice that when my usb drive is in use, the "usb-storage" process takes 9% of my cpu or so, and another 50% of my cpu goes to the "waiting on IO" (i.e. top puts 50% of my cpu next to "wa") |
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| 22:01.08 | moparisthebest | does anyone know of a small easy to set up smtp server? |
| 22:01.36 | moparisthebest | my only requirement is that I can restrict sending of mail to requests sent from localhost |
| 22:01.36 | perlmonkey | solrry for whining |
| 22:01.43 | stew | moparisthebest: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 22:02.07 | amphi | moparisthebest: or postfix is quite easy to set up |
| 22:02.45 | moparisthebest | ok thanks, Ill have a look at both of them :) |
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| 22:04.56 | StarWars | mysql install error apt-get http://pastebin.ca/176703 |
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| 22:05.56 | moparisthebest | StarWars, I had problems with that too, have a look at xampp |
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| 22:06.42 | stew | StarWars: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 mysql-client-5.0 libdbd-mysql-perl" into a pastebin? |
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| 22:07.48 | ahattar | hi, I connect a second hard drive to the same IDE connection, bios recognize both but I can not see it in debian |
| 22:07.50 | octan | !clustershh |
| 22:07.54 | ahattar | any idea? |
| 22:08.04 | octan | !clusterssh |
| 22:08.05 | perlmonkey | i just formatted my hdd |
| 22:08.05 | StarWars | stew chk http://pastebin.ca/176706 |
| 22:08.10 | perlmonkey | felt good |
| 22:08.11 | octan | bleh.. |
| 22:08.20 | octan | is ther a bot in her? |
| 22:08.26 | octan | !wiki clusterssh |
| 22:08.44 | wols | !listkeys cluster |
| 22:08.46 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'cluster' by key (5): fuzzy clustering ;; _default cluster ;; clustering ;; be cluster barbie ;; cluster. |
| 22:08.54 | stew | StarWars: you don't have a debian mirror |
| 22:09.12 | octan | !listkeys clusterssh |
| 22:09.14 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'clusterssh' by key returned no results. |
| 22:09.21 | octan | bleh. suxz |
| 22:09.24 | StarWars | in my Source.list i have only one line " deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free |
| 22:09.25 | StarWars | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.29 | simonrvn | !listvals clusterssh |
| 22:09.33 | StarWars | the rest i use # |
| 22:09.36 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'clusterssh' by value returned no results. |
| 22:09.39 | simonrvn | !listvals cluster ssh |
| 22:09.41 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'cluster ssh' by value returned no results. |
| 22:09.44 | stew | StarWars: yes, it should have a debian mirror (/msg dpkg mirrors) and a security mirror (/msg dpkg security) |
| 22:10.12 | diza | if you want updated packages u gonna need a mirror dude |
| 22:10.52 | octan | is ther a wiki for setting up clusterssh? |
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| 22:11.17 | ahattar | hi, I connect a second hard drive to the same IDE connection, bios recognize both but I can not see it in debian, any idea? |
| 22:11.18 | stew | octan: did you see if there were instructions in /usr/share/doc/clusterssh ? especially look for a README.Debian |
| 22:11.24 | MustangMatt | My resolv.conf gets wiped with every reboot. resolvconf was installed but I used aptitude remove resolvconf to get rid of it. Any idea why my file keeps getting wiped out? |
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| 22:11.36 | RodgerTheGreat | anyone interested in joining an IRC-party? |
| 22:11.37 | stew | MustangMatt: do you use dhcp? |
| 22:11.50 | octan | stew right :) i'll go look :) |
| 22:11.54 | MustangMatt | stew: no. I was using dhcp but I've set a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:12.03 | MustangMatt | stew: Do I need to disable dhcp somehow? |
| 22:12.16 | perlmonkey | my kernel is now 2.4 |
| 22:12.23 | stew | MustangMatt: other than /etc/network/interfaces, you shouldn't have to |
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| 22:12.25 | jerware | hiya |
| 22:12.39 | jerware | what is the devel package name for the C libraries? |
| 22:12.47 | diza | df -h |
| 22:12.48 | stew | !b-e jerware |
| 22:12.49 | dpkg | jerware: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 22:12.49 | diza | er |
| 22:12.51 | diza | oops |
| 22:13.08 | MustangMatt | stew: In addition, when I edit resolv.conf (as root) and try to save it I get: Could not open file for writing: No such file or directory |
| 22:13.30 | MustangMatt | aha. resolv.conf is symlinked to some other file that doesn't exist. |
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| 22:15.11 | RodgerTheGreat | #Feesh |
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| 22:15.45 | MustangMatt | If I removed resolvconf shouldn't the startup files have been removed by aptitude? |
| 22:15.50 | stew | RodgerTheGreat: if you don't have anything debian related, please move on |
| 22:15.58 | stew | MustangMatt: no, only if you purged the package |
| 22:16.08 | amphi | !tell RodgerTheGreat about :E |
| 22:16.11 | RodgerTheGreat | very well. I shant spam. |
| 22:16.19 | diza | too late |
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| 22:16.27 | MustangMatt | stew: Ah didn't know that. What does remove do exactly then? |
| 22:16.36 | stew | MustangMatt: remove everything bug config files |
| 22:16.48 | MustangMatt | stew: Cool I learned something new today then. heh |
| 22:16.54 | diza | i think when i was inside my pc the other day i dced my other HD |
| 22:17.05 | diza | now i can't watch my movies :( |
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| 22:17.40 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 22:17.40 | infernix | huh, im spooked. i can't use lynx to google, it's giving me a 'Bad Request' page. |
| 22:17.42 | perlmonkey | connect it back |
| 22:18.08 | diza | eh, its like under my desk and stuff theres spiders |
| 22:18.22 | diza | im afraid to pull it out cause something might get me |
| 22:18.34 | jelly-home | diza: heh, phobic or just lazy? |
| 22:18.39 | diza | just lazy |
| 22:18.40 | dendrite | infernix: Same here, "Illegal request" at google. |
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| 22:19.09 | diza | plus its a pain to get back on its little shelf thing |
| 22:19.19 | diza | cause u gotta put it at a weird angle |
| 22:19.47 | infernix | dendrite, thank god it's not me. but still i wonder why that happens |
| 22:20.01 | dendrite | infernix: http://dpk.net/2005/10/19/debian-sarge-lynx-400-google/ |
| 22:20.01 | jelly-home | strange. http://www.google.com doesn't work in lynx, but works in elinks. |
| 22:20.20 | diza | wow |
| 22:20.35 | diza | i probably should've turned off the pc first huh |
| 22:20.44 | dendrite | infernix: Looks like it's an X environment thing? |
| 22:20.45 | diza | that was like the biggest spark thingy i've ever seen |
| 22:20.53 | jelly-home | diza: yikes. |
| 22:21.02 | infernix | dendrite: possibly. but the same happens for me with wget |
| 22:21.12 | infernix | i was actually trying to wget a cached diff. |
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| 22:21.48 | dendrite | infernix: The suggestion at http://dpk.net/2005/10/19/debian-sarge-lynx-400-google/ allows me to get to google with lynx. Interesting... |
| 22:23.00 | jelly-home | Seems that lynx feels the need to declare itself capable of displaying all that stuff when run in X. |
| 22:23.00 | petemc | lynx works here |
| 22:23.14 | infernix | dendrite: works for lynx. but wget still gives me an error |
| 22:23.37 | MustangMatt | Why would postfix (on sarge) suddenly start spewing out - fatal: usage: sendmail [options] |
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| 22:24.01 | jelly-home | petemc: the problem is overly long Accept header when lynx is run in X, do you have your DISPLAY env. var set? |
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| 22:24.33 | petemc | oh, no X here |
| 22:24.54 | karsten | Yeah, lynx works on a remote (no X11) shell, not locally (under X). |
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| 22:25.49 | jelly-home | petemc: the workaround is to unset DISPLAY. I think it gets all the needsdisplay stuff from mailcap and tries to feed it to the http server. Google seems not to like it. |
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| 22:26.13 | TARZEAU | karsten: links2 works perfectly remote too (even WITH x11) |
| 22:26.15 | Hoxzer | Strange x says module "nvidia" doesn't exist but I can still execute "modprobe nvidia" |
| 22:26.24 | jelly-home | so if no X, lynx doesn't get that stuff, and it works. |
| 22:26.31 | TARZEAU | Hoxzer: that's not the same |
| 22:26.41 | TARZEAU | Hoxzer: there's a kernel module, and there's a x11 driver (module) |
| 22:26.42 | Hoxzer | TARZEAU: :E |
| 22:26.58 | Hoxzer | TARZEAU: is that called nvidia-glx? |
| 22:27.03 | TARZEAU | Hoxzer: and if you got xorg, the paths in debian (sid) changed some time ago. depending on the nvidia installer it puts them at the right place (or not) |
| 22:27.10 | NefariousPrior | How does one go about disabling console blanking? |
| 22:27.11 | TARZEAU | Hoxzer: no idea about that. i guess no |
| 22:27.19 | tremor | infernix: what error about wget? |
| 22:27.21 | TARZEAU | NefariousPrior: setterm something |
| 22:28.24 | infernix | tremor: 403 |
| 22:28.41 | tremor | infernix: when you try to do what? |
| 22:28.48 | StarWars | stew can you givme the link for apt-get update mysql5 php5 ?? the link to add in "sources.list" for Debian-8.sarge.4 ...please |
| 22:28.55 | Hoxzer | hmm... seems like it is nvidia-glx-legacy but it is for legacy so ... |
| 22:28.57 | infernix | tremor: DISPLAY= lynx [url to a google cache page] works. when i use wget instead of lynx, it doesnt. |
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| 22:29.14 | Hoxzer | I have to compile my own driver |
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| 22:29.41 | chx | is there a way to download stuff from a mobile phone (Nokia 3220 or Sharp GX15/17) ? |
| 22:29.56 | karsten | chx: check out bitpim |
| 22:30.06 | chx | bitpim? |
| 22:30.09 | chx | let me see |
| 22:30.12 | karsten | !info bitpim |
| 22:30.14 | dpkg | bitpim: (utility to communicate with many CDMA phones), section comm, is extra. Version: 0.9.07.dfsg.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3941 kB, Installed size: 12844 kB |
| 22:30.26 | tremor | infernix: do you have a sample url, which causes such an error? |
| 22:30.48 | infernix | i do, i'll PM you one. |
| 22:30.54 | chx | i have a GSM phone :( |
| 22:30.56 | StarWars | can any one ?? givme the link for apt-get update mysql5 php5 ?? the link to add in "sources.list" for Debian-8.sarge.4 ...please |
| 22:30.56 | tremor | ok |
| 22:31.31 | karsten | chx: There's a project page with supported phones listed. Might investigate there. I only just learned about bitpim a week or so back. |
| 22:31.48 | stew | StarWars: you already had the backports.org sources you needed, you just need to add an actual debian mirror (/msg dpkg mirrors) and you really should have a security mirror (/msg dpkg security) |
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| 22:31.51 | NefariousPrior | j |
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| 22:32.09 | karsten | chx: 'apt-cache search gsm | grep -i phone' |
| 22:32.10 | infernix | tremor: let me know if you find anything, i cba to look into it, tired:) |
| 22:32.23 | karsten | chx: Suggests gsm-utils and kandy. |
| 22:32.33 | perlmonkey | guys |
| 22:32.54 | perlmonkey | i have reinstalled deb from an old cd (kernel 2.4) |
| 22:33.13 | karsten | perlmonkey: ... and you want to know if you can upgrade? Is that hamm? |
| 22:33.14 | tremor | also an 403 here .. interesting .. had such a problem today at work, but under windows |
| 22:33.17 | perlmonkey | i now wish to upgrade and get a desktop etc, is there a command to get a bunch of stuff, rather than do each package separate |
| 22:33.33 | karsten | perlmonkey: ... or potato? |
| 22:33.42 | perlmonkey | well |
| 22:33.48 | perlmonkey | its sarge at moment |
| 22:34.04 | karsten | perlmonkey: man aptitude |
| 22:34.04 | perlmonkey | my apt-setup says testing |
| 22:34.17 | stew | perlmonkey: what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
| 22:34.20 | karsten | perlmonkey: OK. Seeing as you're asking the first question in the book, I'd suggest you RTFM and RTFF. |
| 22:34.26 | karsten | perlmonkey: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 22:34.34 | karsten | ... will answer stew's question |
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| 22:34.45 | dbe | Is the passwords only stored in /etc/shadow? |
| 22:34.52 | karsten | dbe: no. |
| 22:34.57 | perlmonkey | thanks |
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| 22:35.00 | karsten | dbe: The password _hash_ is stored in /etc/shadow |
| 22:35.08 | karsten | dbe: What's your problem / real question? |
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| 22:35.28 | perlmonkey | stew: v2.3.2.ds1-20 |
| 22:35.42 | dbe | karsten, Which files do I need if I have locked out myself? I want to use the passwords/users from another installation. |
| 22:35.55 | odla | i just installed etch and grub failed to install. so i decided to install lilo. how can i install grub to the MBR now? |
| 22:36.02 | karsten | dbe: You're admin on the box? |
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| 22:36.07 | dbe | karsten, Yes. |
| 22:36.39 | BuffyNZ | Bleetings folks! Can anyone tell me if etch supports hardware raid on a ich7r intergrated controller? |
| 22:36.46 | karsten | !tell dbe about i forgot root's password |
| 22:36.48 | stew | perlmonkey: you should upgrade to sarge. edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change any mentions of "stable" "woody" "testing" "unstable" to "sarge", then run aptitude update ; aptitude dist-upgrade ; then, after you are running sarge, run "aptitude" then go to tasks, user tasks, desktop, and select one of the desktop tasks |
| 22:37.03 | dbe | karsten, Please, I really don't have time with that. |
| 22:37.04 | perlmonkey | stew: many thanks |
| 22:37.10 | karsten | dbe: Tough titties. |
| 22:37.14 | dbe | karsten, One of my clients forgot her password. |
| 22:37.26 | tremor | infernix: I don't know, how the page should look like |
| 22:37.26 | karsten | dbe: You locked yourself out, that's the recipie to get back in. |
| 22:37.36 | karsten | dbe: Do you have root access on the box? What access do you have? |
| 22:37.42 | dbe | karsten, I need /etc/shadows and??? |
| 22:37.46 | stoned | good evening |
| 22:37.49 | dbe | karsten, None. |
| 22:37.50 | karsten | dbe: Answer the fucking question |
| 22:37.58 | karsten | dbe: Then do what the factoid told you. |
| 22:38.03 | dbe | karsten, I can boot another install and copy files to the old. |
| 22:38.08 | karsten | dbe: No;l |
| 22:38.11 | tremor | infernix: but I got the page using --user-agent=Mozilal/5.0 and the url in double quotes |
| 22:38.18 | karsten | dbe: For the last time, do what the factoid tells you. |
| 22:38.23 | tremor | *Mozilla/5.0 |
| 22:38.31 | stoned | obey dpkg and all will be good |
| 22:38.36 | infernix | tremor: so seems google cache returns 403 if client = wget |
| 22:38.48 | tremor | infernix: maybe |
| 22:39.16 | karsten | dbe: The idea is to bypass standard startup, boot to a shell, manually mount your root filesystem, and issue a password reset command. I can (and do) do that in my sleepl |
| 22:39.49 | tremor | infernix: would be interesting what will happen, if we force --no-cache ;) |
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| 22:40.09 | karsten | stoned: ... or smoke a bowl. |
| 22:40.33 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:40.37 | stoned | which I am just about to do |
| 22:40.42 | stoned | karsten, just got home from a long day of work |
| 22:40.44 | BuffyNZ | Bleetings folks! Can anyone tell me if etch supports hardware raid on a ich7r intergrated controller? I have downloaded amd64 netinst (20060810) and the installer in there sees the indvidual drives, but not the raid array. Any tips? |
| 22:40.44 | stoned | :) |
| 22:40.45 | karsten | stoned: I know. |
| 22:40.59 | karsten | stoned: We have your location under full visual observation. |
| 22:41.01 | dbe | karsten, Thank you. |
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| 22:41.06 | stoned | lol |
| 22:41.30 | stoned | slang for scared, dohi |
| 22:41.31 | pipeline | BuffyNZ: ich7r doesn't have any meaningful hardware raid. The ATARAID should work, but christ, ataraid sucks. |
| 22:41.33 | odla | how do i install grub to the MBR...it failed to install when i installed etch... i know i need to run grub-install but i'm not sure what i'm suppose to put |
| 22:41.35 | karsten | BuffyNZ: Check your kernel docs for support. That's a kernel issue, not a Debian issue. |
| 22:41.48 | karsten | odla: 'grub-install', then 'update-grub' |
| 22:41.50 | stoned | grub-install /dev/hdx |
| 22:41.53 | Tallu | odla: grub-install /dev/hdx |
| 22:41.57 | karsten | odla: ... or what stoned said. |
| 22:42.15 | stew | odla: /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian |
| 22:42.18 | karsten | odla: multi-boot or single boot? |
| 22:42.22 | stoned | stew's the man |
| 22:42.22 | odla | karsten: single boot |
| 22:42.30 | stoned | with the plan (of documentation) |
| 22:42.31 | karsten | odla: OK, should be straightforward. |
| 22:42.33 | stoned | :D |
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| 22:43.13 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.17 | odla | thanks |
| 22:43.19 | karsten | </newsforge> |
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| 22:44.01 | MustangMatt | Has anyone seen this before - postfix/sendmail[2701]: fatal: usage: sendmail [options] |
| 22:44.05 | mutk | karsten, I have justed added 'sissified' to my spell checker.. Never know when you might need that word again.. |
| 22:44.17 | itguru | does anyone know of the existance of a debian vm appliance that has apt-cache preconfigured? |
| 22:44.19 | karsten | mutk: spell checkers are sissified. |
| 22:44.29 | karsten | MustangMatt: What context? |
| 22:44.30 | BuffyNZ | karsten: Hmm, okay, i am pretty much out of my depth digging into the kernal docs, googling doesnt seem to have resulted in any helpful ways forward. Thanks for the repsonse. |
| 22:44.31 | mutk | karsten, Now mine is too. ;) |
| 22:44.48 | stew | karsten: http://bash.org/?464385 |
| 22:44.56 | MustangMatt | karsten: I've been using postfix for months and suddenly when I try to send mail now it fails and that entry appears in the logfile. |
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| 22:45.01 | BuffyNZ | pipeline: So the ich7r is fakeraid? |
| 22:45.06 | karsten | BuffyNZ: Might check with the vendor and/or find identifying information on the RAID device and google that + "linux". Chip numbers, model numbers, are your best bet. |
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| 22:45.32 | karsten | BuffyNZ: If nothing turns up odds are it's either not supported at all, or very poorly supported / very little used. Neither is a good sign. |
| 22:45.54 | MustangMatt | ich7r is fake raid. |
| 22:46.01 | karsten | stew: heh. |
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| 22:46.31 | karsten | stew: ... though strewth, I write bash "one-liners" which go on longer than that. |
| 22:46.32 | karsten | stew: ... sometimes. |
| 22:46.38 | perlmonkey | sarge = stable? |
| 22:46.42 | BuffyNZ | karsten: Yeah, been doing that off and on for the 48 hours of so.. not getting far. Will revert back to software raid I guess. |
| 22:46.43 | ahattar | hi, wut command to check for a secondary HD |
| 22:46.47 | odla | stoned, thanks |
| 22:46.50 | streuner | perlmonkey: sure |
| 22:46.54 | karsten | BuffyNZ: SW RAID's better than you think. |
| 22:47.05 | stew | karsten: sure but claiming that somehting like that is a single command is a stretch :) |
| 22:47.14 | perlmonkey | I need testing |
| 22:47.25 | streuner | there are backports |
| 22:47.37 | perlmonkey | no seriously |
| 22:47.37 | streuner | !backports |
| 22:47.37 | dpkg | somebody said backports was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 22:47.45 | dbe | karsten, 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), I use GRUB. |
| 22:47.48 | MustangMatt | In my experience, software raid was awful. But maybe I should say in my "in-experience". It would work for a while and suddenly fail without cause and it was incredibly slow to rebuild. |
| 22:47.54 | karsten | perlmonkey: First update your current stable system. Then upgrade to testing. |
| 22:48.03 | perlmonkey | ok understood |
| 22:48.03 | streuner | perlmonkey: but backports aren't supported... |
| 22:48.06 | MustangMatt | If you've got $200-$300 it's worth every penny towards a real raid controller. |
| 22:48.24 | karsten | dbe: Then edit your GRUB stanza (interactively) and change the kernel line to read whatever it does, plus "init=/bin/sh" |
| 22:48.27 | karsten | dbe: ... then boot. |
| 22:48.31 | ma3x | anyone using firefox with flash plugin? |
| 22:48.37 | karsten | dbe: Query channel, I'm away for a bit. |
| 22:48.45 | karsten | ma3x: Unfortunately. |
| 22:48.47 | streuner | perlmonkey: just make some experiences and switch to testing then |
| 22:48.54 | stew | perlmonkey: put your sources.list into a pastebin |
| 22:48.58 | dbe | karsten, Ok. |
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| 22:49.12 | BuffyNZ | karsten: I will give it another go.. I imaged an etch install running software raid (using alritis) and found I was unable to boot the restored image. I didnt spend too long finding out out why the restore failed, but will start digging into it more. Thanks again. |
| 22:49.13 | karsten | ma3x: Quick question on that or what? |
| 22:49.23 | perlmonkey | I think I screwed up my sources.list line for security updates |
| 22:49.29 | karsten | BuffyNZ: NP. |
| 22:49.41 | karsten | perlmonkey: Shouldn't matter. You can comment that for the update and fix it later. |
| 22:49.45 | perlmonkey | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 22:49.47 | streuner | perlmonkey: /msg dpkg paste and show us your sources.list |
| 22:49.52 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 22:50.23 | stew | perlmonkey: that security line looks fine |
| 22:50.45 | perlmonkey | thanks stew, strangely it gives error on apt-get update |
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| 22:51.46 | stew | perlmonkey: show us your sources.list, and the error, use a pastebin |
| 22:52.10 | MustangMatt | This postfix error just started today and then only thing I've done today was an aptitude upgrade which grabbed an update for gzip I believe. |
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| 22:52.47 | ma3x | karsten, sometimes when I access stupidvideos.com or some other flash page, firefox crashes |
| 22:53.30 | perlmonkey | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3788 |
| 22:54.18 | stew | perlmonkey: that looks fine. what about the output of apt-get update? |
| 22:55.48 | perlmonkey | stew: went ok after i ran it again, all the updates were done and no errors |
| 22:56.19 | perlmonkey | stew: now its running apt dist-upgrade |
| 22:56.37 | perlmonkey | 487kB/s fastest i ever got from a mirror |
| 22:57.38 | tremor | depends on the connection to the mirorr I think |
| 22:58.00 | tremor | 2-8 MB/s shouldn't be something special .. more something normal |
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| 22:58.21 | magyar | i have a user "mail" on etch, does anyone know what that user is for? |
| 22:58.22 | magyar | hi |
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| 22:58.31 | chronos | hi |
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| 22:58.52 | chronos | /sbin/functions.sh don't exists in debian? |
| 22:58.53 | syntaxx | is there a way i can view my previous syslog? |
| 22:59.08 | epsilon | with les or zless |
| 22:59.09 | tuv | magyar, to access /var/mail |
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| 22:59.32 | dondelelcaro | chronos: what does /sbin/functions.sh have within it? |
| 22:59.56 | magyar | tuv: can i /dev/null email delivery for that account? |
| 23:00.28 | tuv | magyar, sorry, i meant the group mail |
| 23:00.29 | chronos | dondelelcaro: have functions, like as einfo, eend, etc. |
| 23:00.58 | chronos | in gentoo he is part of baselayout, I think that this not exists in debian |
| 23:01.05 | magyar | what about the user, any clue? can i deluser it? |
| 23:01.05 | petemc | magyar: look in /etc/aliases |
| 23:01.36 | dondelelcaro | chronos: I'm not quite sure what those commands do; it sounds like a bunch of stuff that would normally go in your .bashrc. |
| 23:01.37 | perlmonkey | I think I know now why my system broke |
| 23:01.50 | streuner | why? |
| 23:02.01 | magyar | petemc: i know where to look, my question is what is the user "mail" for and does it recieves emails for system? |
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| 23:02.14 | tuv | magyar, there are many other users, why mail in particular? |
| 23:02.17 | chronos | dondelelcaro: hehe, no. |
| 23:02.23 | perlmonkey | since I hadnt upgraded in a long while and a new stable was released, and I was running testing, I should of adjusted my sources.list to show stable, then upgraded to testing after? |
| 23:02.24 | stew | perlmonkey: something to do with e2fsprogs? |
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| 23:02.55 | petemc | magyar: you asked how to direct mail for user mail to /dev/null , i told you |
| 23:02.55 | stew | perlmonkey: yes, that's right. skipping a release isn't supported |
| 23:03.06 | perlmonkey | damn thats why it broke then |
| 23:03.42 | streuner | the main issue is xfree->xorg |
| 23:03.47 | stew | perlmonkey: make sure you have e2fsprogs and sysvinit packages installed |
| 23:03.50 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 23:03.57 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 23:04.02 | chronos | dondelelcaro: functions.sh have functions that help on bash scripts, to make his more beautiful |
| 23:04.03 | dondelelcaro | chronos: it looks like a re-implementation of the various lsb functions; that's supplied in Debian by lsb-base. |
| 23:04.34 | perlmonkey | could I have fixed the problems without needing to reinstall from scratch? |
| 23:04.58 | perlmonkey | its unlikely eh |
| 23:04.59 | stew | perlmonkey: most likely |
| 23:05.02 | perlmonkey | damn |
| 23:05.26 | dondelelcaro | chronos: in any event, only gentoo would have it; scripts shouldn't be using that unless they're specific to gentoo. |
| 23:05.42 | tremor | chronos: more beautiful or more useful? |
| 23:05.43 | dekup | hi how can i change isapnp value? |
| 23:05.52 | chronos | dondelelcaro: np, I copy it do debian |
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| 23:06.01 | chronos | tremor: more beautiful e more useful :) |
| 23:06.12 | jaggz- | when I install something (make install style), how can I have debian/ubuntu monitor it so I can uninstall its files? |
| 23:06.21 | tremor | ah, ok |
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| 23:06.51 | dekup | doesnt any body know? |
| 23:07.27 | perlmonkey | i'm not liking this aptitude task interface |
| 23:07.30 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: don't; you're better off making an actual deb package instead. |
| 23:07.36 | pipeline | jaggz-: The "checkinstall" package will generate .deb packages in order to make it easier to uninstall them. |
| 23:07.58 | pipeline | jaggz-: They're not very USEFUL .deb packages, in that they have no dependency information or pre-inst/post-inst scripts, but they'll allow you to uninstall things. |
| 23:08.06 | jaggz- | cool.. that's what I'm looking for then |
| 23:08.18 | jaggz- | nothing more complex than watching and removing what was put in |
| 23:08.32 | jaggz- | basically, I'm uninstalling my audacity package and compiling from source |
| 23:08.48 | stew | jaggz-: what is wrong with the debian package? |
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| 23:11.04 | jaggz- | stew, not the newest version (beta version I need to be compatible with someone else using it) |
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| 23:12.54 | ZachHobbs | sorry for the noob question: after an apt-get install <app>, how do I view what files where installed with the package <app>? |
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| 23:13.08 | odla | ZachHobbs, dpkg -L <app> |
| 23:13.40 | ZachHobbs | great thanks |
| 23:14.49 | bofh80 | does anything f**kin work these days. every cd app i try just sorta hangs before it tries to write the cd including gnomebaker and k3b :( |
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| 23:17.30 | nvz | bofh80: I had trouble getting k3b to recognise my burner in etch. but gnomepaker seems to work |
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| 23:17.54 | jaggz- | beta source doesn't compile anyway |
| 23:17.57 | jaggz- | oh well |
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| 23:19.22 | RvGaTe | did anyone else got dropped from irc.debian.org ? cant seem to connect to it again |
| 23:19.38 | nvz | RvGaTe: I;ve noticed OFTC do that a lot lately |
| 23:19.40 | RvGaTe | now it can... strange |
| 23:19.55 | jaggz- | cool.. I've wanted to know about checkinstall for years.. |
| 23:19.56 | jaggz- | thanks :) |
| 23:19.58 | RvGaTe | nvz, shitty network imho |
| 23:20.00 | jaggz- | gotta go now though |
| 23:20.01 | RvGaTe | :P |
| 23:20.02 | jaggz- | good luck all |
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| 23:20.47 | nvz | RvGaTe: I'm used to freenode now but I hang around oftc |
| 23:20.56 | RvGaTe | same here |
| 23:21.30 | magyar | bleh |
| 23:21.36 | nvz | and the staff here keep me informed of issues and I just jump to other servers when needed |
| 23:21.41 | nvz | I get dropped on oftc all the time |
| 23:22.25 | RvGaTe | nvz, my bnc takes care of all that |
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| 23:22.45 | RvGaTe | altho i does come up "blabla disconnected from blabla server" |
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| 23:25.02 | sjr | Are there any kernel-binaries that support suspend2? |
| 23:25.12 | k-man | anyone know if you can put PC133 ECC SDRAM in a non ECC motherboard and it will work fine? |
| 23:25.25 | k-man | i would think it would... but I'd like to know for sure before buying some ECC ram off ebay |
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| 23:26.40 | tuv | k-man, it should work, but with no fcc functionality |
| 23:26.54 | tuv | sorry, meant ecc |
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| 23:27.20 | k-man | tuv, yeah... thats what i think too... but for some reason, in australia at least, 512mb of ecc ram in ebay seems to go for less than the non ecc equivalent |
| 23:27.28 | k-man | maybe cos people just don't know it would work? |
| 23:27.38 | k-man | or maybe they do know it won't work and I'm mistaken? |
| 23:28.07 | tuv | k-man, maybe 'cuz it's claimed to be ecc while it isn't! |
| 23:28.20 | k-man | tuv, the ram on ebay? |
| 23:28.45 | tuv | ecc is tricky to verify, lots of vendors release ecc hardware (ram or m/b) that doesn't do ecc |
| 23:28.50 | sjr | When I boot normally I get a message saying something to the effect of "Your ACPI implementation is buggy nag your manufacturer to fix it" um. So what I can't use ACPI? |
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| 23:28.57 | sjr | I have to turn acpi=off |
| 23:28.58 | sjr | to boot |
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| 23:29.10 | streuner | use your bootloader then |
| 23:29.22 | streuner | via kernelparameters |
| 23:29.33 | sjr | to do what? |
| 23:29.45 | k-man | tuv, all im after is cheap ram for my old mb.... if (aledged) ecc ram is cheaper than non ecc, im happy to use it as long as it works |
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| 23:30.23 | tuv | k-man, e.g. http://cr.yp.to/hardware/abit.html |
| 23:30.42 | tuv | k-man, i'm not sure enough to buy one, but i'd think it works |
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| 23:31.02 | k-man | tuv, yeah |
| 23:31.03 | tuv | k-man, try #hardware |
| 23:31.05 | k-man | ok, thanks |
| 23:31.06 | k-man | oh... |
| 23:31.08 | k-man | good idea |
| 23:31.08 | k-man | thanks |
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| 23:31.38 | michael117 | How can I mount ISO disc images (preferably with a GTK app)? |
| 23:32.02 | abrotman | you need loopback support for starters |
| 23:32.43 | petemc | open gnome-terminal, type mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/foo |
| 23:32.45 | abrotman | in gnome .. you can 'view' an ISO with Archive Manager .. whatever that is |
| 23:34.46 | seb- | abrotman: help! i did a massive apt-get upgrade and now when i reboot it says can't find root file system!?! |
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| 23:34.52 | abrotman | put it back! |
| 23:35.05 | seb- | abrotman: great! tell me how! |
| 23:35.36 | abrotman | very small magnet |
| 23:35.36 | abrotman | what exactly did you do ? |
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| 23:36.25 | RvGaTe | abrotman, lol :P |
| 23:36.38 | chiouyov | how to find out wich .iso image contain a particular package? |
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| 23:37.30 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 23:37.30 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
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| 23:38.11 | seb- | abrotman: suppose my initrd is messed up and that is reason...what do then? |
| 23:38.18 | Bhavesh | ok question |
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| 23:38.23 | nvz | hmm bidwatcher isnt in testing/unstable.. must have been dropped |
| 23:38.25 | abrotman | seb-: how did it get messed up ? |
| 23:38.31 | Bhavesh | trying to start my brand new x.org and it says SecurityPolicy not found |
| 23:38.42 | abrotman | Bhavesh: ask nvz how to fix that |
| 23:38.50 | petemc | seb-: choose an old kernel that works |
| 23:38.54 | seb- | abrotman: when doing apt-get upgrade it said some initramfs conf file was missing |
| 23:39.05 | seb- | abrotman: and created new one |
| 23:39.07 | chiouyov | abrotman, i am thinking of searching online. |
| 23:39.19 | abrotman | chiouyov: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 23:39.33 | Bhavesh | is nvz a bot? |
| 23:39.53 | Bhavesh | didn't think so |
| 23:40.04 | abrotman | nvz: broken X SecurityPolicy |
| 23:40.36 | abrotman | nvz: what are you? |
| 23:40.55 | abrotman | enveezee: your bot is busted |
| 23:40.57 | Bhavesh | lagged bot? |
| 23:40.58 | Bhavesh | hehe |
| 23:41.11 | nvz | abrotman: what? |
| 23:41.26 | abrotman | nvz: didn't you have the broken SecurityPolicy file ? |
| 23:41.36 | seb- | abrotman: possible to boot w/o an initrd? (i want to delete the thing) |
| 23:41.37 | nvz | I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 23:41.50 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=362246 |
| 23:41.51 | Bhavesh | too much pot smoking? :) |
| 23:42.00 | nvz | not enough maybe |
| 23:42.00 | abrotman | seb-: depends on your sysetem |
| 23:42.03 | chiouyov | abrotman, can i search for it nline.? |
| 23:42.08 | Bhavesh | from irssi how can you follow a weblink? |
| 23:42.18 | seb- | abrotman: i shall boot into knoppix and delete it! |
| 23:42.25 | abrotman | chiouyov: yes .. see what the bot tells you |
| 23:42.30 | abrotman | !tell chiouyov about cd contents |
| 23:42.34 | nvz | Bhavesh: highlight, middle click copy, paste.. its easy |
| 23:42.40 | abrotman | seb-: sounds like a super bad idea |
| 23:43.00 | seb- | abrotman: what else can i do if bad initrd is the problem? |
| 23:43.11 | Bhavesh | nvz: i am not in X i can't start X b/c of the SecurityPolicy error :) |
| 23:43.13 | seb- | abrotman: ...besides pray NO initrd will still boot |
| 23:43.16 | Bhavesh | i am on here from console |
| 23:43.16 | chiouyov | abrotman, i got nothing fr the bot |
| 23:43.21 | abrotman | seb-: how did it get bad? |
| 23:43.23 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 23:43.23 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 23:43.26 | nvz | Bhavesh: so what.. install screen and links2 |
| 23:43.29 | abrotman | chiouyov: ^^^ .. see those urls? |
| 23:43.35 | Bhavesh | i got links |
| 23:43.38 | Bhavesh | not links2 |
| 23:43.40 | nvz | Bhavesh: and cry me a river |
| 23:43.40 | chiouyov | only now |
| 23:43.45 | abrotman | the third damn time |
| 23:43.52 | seb- | abrotman: i ran out of space on little hard drive and was deleting files willy-nilly.....maybe between that and the upgrade i hosed something up |
| 23:43.59 | nvz | Bhavesh: links2 is better has graphical mode with mouse support |
| 23:44.05 | Bhavesh | nvz got it |
| 23:44.46 | abrotman | seb-: maybe ? |
| 23:44.53 | abrotman | blondie: only one! |
| 23:44.58 | blondie | ; |
| 23:45.00 | blondie | o |
| 23:45.01 | abrotman | well .. google says two .. but i think it's lying |
| 23:45.03 | seb- | abrotman: well i guess i'm sure something is hosed since it won't boot |
| 23:45.14 | abrotman | seb-: no shit .. i heard deleting things willynilly can do that |
| 23:45.20 | karsten | How do I tell ksyslogd not to sent messages to console? |
| 23:45.22 | Bhavesh | what program/deamon would let you paste text ? |
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| 23:46.07 | abrotman | karsten: look in /etc/syslog.conf |
| 23:46.21 | karsten | abrotman: Got it. I think I've got a default list at bottom. |
| 23:46.32 | abrotman | prolly it |
| 23:48.04 | karsten | adjusted to *.=debug;*.=info;*.=warn |/dev/xconsole |
| 23:48.28 | karsten | Lessee what that does. |
| 23:48.39 | karsten | eh. "Eth1: status" type messages |
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| 23:49.21 | karsten | Eg: kernel: eth1: New link status: Connected (0001) |
| 23:49.31 | roby | I'm in shell on my web-site host, how do I know if they are running Debian or not? |
| 23:49.36 | freakzoid0223 | anyone running a sparc system? Debian-sparc is a ghosttown. |
| 23:49.53 | abrotman | isn't it #debiansparc ? |
| 23:50.02 | karsten | roby: Look under /etc for a *version* or *release* file |
| 23:50.05 | freakzoid0223 | hmm |
| 23:50.13 | Bhavesh | what difference does it make if they are running debian if you are on a provider's server? |
| 23:50.14 | abrotman | roby: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:50.17 | Bhavesh | just curious |
| 23:50.31 | abrotman | roby: what did it say ? |
| 23:50.41 | roby | Bhavesh: so that i know if it's appropriate or not to ask my next set of questions |
| 23:50.44 | roby | abrotman: 3.1 |
| 23:50.51 | abrotman | roby: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:50.52 | Bhavesh | i got an old retired dell someone gave me dual PII-400/256MB |
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| 23:51.12 | roby | abrotman: is that safe to run there, seeing as this is not my machine but that of dreamhost.com ? |
| 23:51.17 | abrotman | just run it |
| 23:51.33 | freakzoid0223 | abrotman, doesnt look that way. I need to get xconfig running |
| 23:51.33 | abrotman | dvs: BREEZY! |
| 23:51.36 | Bhavesh | roby: files in /etc/ are normally user readable you can't harm it |
| 23:51.40 | roby | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 23:51.42 | dvs | abrotman: Huh? |
| 23:51.43 | roby | i see |
| 23:51.47 | abrotman | freakzoid0223: wouldn't that mean you need X ? |
| 23:51.51 | dvs | abrotman: we don't need them! |
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| 23:51.54 | abrotman | roby: looks something close to sarge |
| 23:52.03 | abrotman | dvs: but what does your quit message say ? |
| 23:52.15 | abrotman | roby: and it could be a correct sarge |
| 23:52.26 | roby | abrotman: "correct sarge" ? |
| 23:52.33 | dvs | abrotman: yeah, I figured that out a little bit late |
| 23:52.50 | roby | i'm logged into that box, bash shell, but the system is refusing to reading my preferences from .bashrc or from .profile ... what can i do? |
| 23:52.53 | abrotman | freakzoid0223: please don't |
| 23:52.56 | chiouyov | abrotman, the links are lousy, first one cannot be accessed, second one does not give the search result. |
| 23:53.00 | abrotman | dvs: oh ok |
| 23:53.09 | abrotman | chiouyov: uhm .. what are you looking for |
| 23:53.14 | Bhavesh | roby: temporary solution source .bashrc |
| 23:53.22 | abrotman | chiouyov: there are three URLs there |
| 23:53.27 | roby | Bhavesh: yeah that's what i'm doing now on each login |
| 23:53.31 | roby | and then loading screen |
| 23:53.33 | abrotman | roby: vi .bash_profile |
| 23:53.48 | Bhavesh | hmm no solution to my problem yet |
| 23:53.55 | Bhavesh | about unstable SecurityPolicy |
| 23:53.55 | roby | abrotman: ooooh nice |
| 23:54.09 | Bhavesh | of course X can't also find nvidia drivers |
| 23:54.20 | abrotman | Bhavesh: says the fix is in already |
| 23:54.35 | abrotman | freakzoid0223: what's wrong with make menuconfig ? |
| 23:54.40 | chiouyov | abrotman, i am looking for rt2500-source |
| 23:54.58 | Bhavesh | hmm i already ran aptitude update and upgrade |
| 23:55.00 | karsten | abrotman: Any more bri? |
| 23:55.04 | Bhavesh | no new things got installed/updated |
| 23:55.09 | karsten | abrotman: ... erm, any more bright ideas? |
| 23:55.13 | roby | abrotman: Bhavesh: thanks!!! |
| 23:55.36 | abrotman | karsten: stop sending to | /dev/console |
| 23:55.46 | abrotman | chiouyov: in which version of debian ? |
| 23:55.50 | karsten | abrotman: I did. That stanza is entirely commented. |
| 23:55.53 | chiouyov | testing |
| 23:56.17 | abrotman | karsten: did you restart syslog ? |
| 23:56.31 | Bhavesh | ouch |
| 23:56.32 | abrotman | chiouyov: oh .. those pages are for stable |
| 23:56.33 | Bhavesh | that hurts |
| 23:56.37 | Bhavesh | bbl.. dinner call |
| 23:56.50 | abrotman | freakzoid0223: please stop msg'ing me |
| 23:56.56 | abrotman | freakzoid0223: i'm not going to respond to you in /msg |
| 23:57.15 | freakzoid0223 | ok sorry |
| 23:58.18 | abrotman | freakzoid0223: anyways .. menuconfig is easy |
| 23:58.29 | moparisthebest | are there any smtp servers that only send mail? |
| 23:58.45 | moparisthebest | I dont need to recieve any, and I just want to send it from localhost |
| 23:58.55 | dvs | moparisthebest: I though smtp servers only sent mail |
| 23:59.07 | petemc | moparisthebest: ssmtp or nullmailer, i think |
| 23:59.09 | abrotman | dvs: huh ? |
| 23:59.14 | abrotman | nullmailer will do it |
| 23:59.18 | abrotman | or you can set exim to do that |
| 23:59.37 | moparisthebest | I tried exim, but I cant find any really good documentation |
| 23:59.37 | dvs | abrotman: pop and imap fetch mail and smtp sends mail or am I way off base? |
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| 23:59.59 | petemc | for your needs, dpkg-configure exim4-config should do |
