| 00:00.03 | moparisthebest | dvs, I think smtp also recieves mail |
| 00:00.05 | abrotman | dvs: how do you think your mail gets to hotgirl135@hotmail.com ? |
| 00:00.20 | freakzoid0223 | any way lspci shows a VGA compat cont ATI 3d rage pro 215GP and a Dispaly cont 3d labs permedia2 |
| 00:00.37 | freakzoid0223 | first i need to fig which in intergrated |
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| 00:02.02 | dvs | abrotman: Hmmm... I guess hotmail.com would have to receive the mail from my smtp server |
| 00:02.21 | abrotman | and it does that with its own SMTP server |
| 00:02.40 | dvs | ahhhhh |
| 00:02.46 | itguru | dvs smtp comminucates between diffrent servers, and moves the mail where it's suppose to be. Think of it as the post service, like Royal Mail in the UK, and the US Postal service... in the US - POP and IMAP get your particular mail from the main post office/server, and deliver it to you - like the postman |
| 00:03.19 | abrotman | !mta |
| 00:03.19 | dpkg | hmm... mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim4, postfix, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 00:03.20 | abrotman | !mua |
| 00:03.20 | dpkg | i guess mua is a mail user agent, in other words mutt, balsa, pine, elm or any other mail client program. |
| 00:03.33 | lurker99 | moparisthebest: ssmtp lack queueing. its send or dead mail. nullmailer will queue and is closer to 'sendmail' emulation. i use both... :-) |
| 00:03.34 | abrotman | which have nothing to do with pop3/imap |
| 00:04.09 | moparisthebest | ok lurker99 thanks Ill try them |
| 00:04.36 | lurker99 | bot are real easy setup [in debian, etc.] |
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| 00:04.47 | lurker99 | s/bot/both/ |
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| 00:07.49 | bofh80 | if i'm burning say ipcop.iso is SAO the correct writing mode? it auto selected it... :) |
| 00:07.51 | mentor | meh. I've forgotten how to run sed over a file in one go. |
| 00:08.04 | abrotman | -i |
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| 00:08.16 | abrotman | or you mean /g ? |
| 00:08.24 | mentor | doh |
| 00:08.29 | mentor | Nope, that's it |
| 00:08.40 | mentor | ISTR it being more complicated |
| 00:09.00 | ZachHobbs | How can I have apache allow threads for mod_python? |
| 00:09.32 | dan2 | abrotman: my head hurts |
| 00:09.50 | abrotman | dan2: go see nvz |
| 00:09.50 | dan2 | abrotman: writing code that deals with xml files gives me headaches |
| 00:09.59 | Shadowcat | that should take your mind off your headache |
| 00:10.08 | dvs | !pity dan2 |
| 00:10.08 | dpkg | I pity da fool dan2! |
| 00:10.11 | dan2 | !lart Shadowcat |
| 00:10.21 | dan2 | !lart dvs |
| 00:10.25 | Shadowcat | !whack dan2 |
| 00:10.36 | dan2 | !botabuse |
| 00:10.37 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 00:10.43 | Shadowcat | dan2: don't make me force you to rewrite all that xml handling code.... in VB |
| 00:10.55 | dan2 | Shadowcat: no, that truly would be a nightmare |
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| 00:11.48 | dvs | doh! |
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| 00:12.10 | dan2 | Shadowcat: it already is done via recursion |
| 00:12.16 | dan2 | muahahahahahhaha |
| 00:12.31 | dvs | with gotos |
| 00:12.32 | dan2 | Shadowcat: what's the point in that? |
| 00:12.41 | Shadowcat | dan2: to make your life miserable |
| 00:12.42 | mentor | ZachHobbs: Are you running apache2? |
| 00:12.45 | dan2 | dvs, it really could use gotos, but I settled with tail end function optimization |
| 00:12.57 | ZachHobbs | mentor: yep |
| 00:14.04 | Shadowcat | you know |
| 00:14.07 | Shadowcat | speaking of recursion |
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| 00:14.18 | pastyhermit | How do I reconfigure a packag |
| 00:14.41 | Shadowcat | I don't know if anyone's ever benchmarked whether if statments are faster when parsing xml |
| 00:14.41 | Shadowcat | or recursive functions |
| 00:14.59 | dan2 | Shadowcat: http://www.cmsmadesimple.org/pastebin/335 |
| 00:14.59 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:15.22 | abrotman | chiouyov: did you find it ? |
| 00:15.32 | pastyhermit | k thanks |
| 00:15.32 | Shadowcat | uhh what language is that? |
| 00:15.47 | dan2 | Shadowcat: I'm currently designing a program that sorts and organizes all of my mp3s into collections and folders using an xml file for construction, and regular expressions for handling the individual mp3s that aren't part of a generic rule |
| 00:15.51 | dan2 | Shadowcat: OcaML |
| 00:16.14 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 00:16.28 | pastyhermit | Its not asking me for mail settings when I reconfigure it |
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| 00:16.52 | dan2 | Shadowcat: I didn't feel like doing memory management. The code in Ocaml is also substantially smaller and much easier to maintain |
| 00:16.53 | Shadowcat | obviously using recursion in C++ for that stuff would be painful |
| 00:16.56 | dan2 | yes |
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| 00:17.08 | Shadowcat | you could also do it in java |
| 00:17.18 | dan2 | Shadowcat: Ocaml is functional programming language. If you can do recursive tail calls, it will optimize the performance |
| 00:17.27 | Shadowcat | hmmm |
| 00:17.31 | dan2 | Shadowcat: in a lot of cases, Ocaml runs faster than C |
| 00:17.43 | Shadowcat | I don't doubt it |
| 00:17.50 | dan2 | Shadowcat: both compile to machine code directly |
| 00:18.06 | Shadowcat | except that I have to use C++ to interfrace with QT4 :( |
| 00:18.07 | pastyhermit | nm it was postfix I needed to reconfigure |
| 00:18.07 | pastyhermit | thanks |
| 00:18.12 | Shadowcat | so I'm stuck |
| 00:18.17 | chiouyov | abrotman, yes, thks. |
| 00:18.18 | dan2 | Shadowcat: I think someone ported Qt to Ocaml |
| 00:18.23 | abrotman | chiouyov: ok |
| 00:18.43 | Shadowcat | dan2: there are interfaces for a lot of programming languages |
| 00:18.49 | Shadowcat | but since QT4 itself is written in C++ |
| 00:19.01 | dan2 | Shadowcat: I'm wrong. Not directly ported, but can be used through the python ocaml bindings very easily |
| 00:19.02 | Shadowcat | using it automatically gives you an advantage |
| 00:19.22 | Shadowcat | I can modify the api myself if I so please if I code in C++ |
| 00:19.28 | Shadowcat | if I use an interface, it'd be harder |
| 00:19.38 | Bhavesh | back |
| 00:19.46 | dan2 | Shadowcat: I don't have the nightmares of lack of decent typesafety and terrible syntax |
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| 00:20.07 | dan2 | Shadowcat: ocaml is very very very typesafe... i.e. 4.2 + 5 would be a compiler error |
| 00:20.29 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 00:20.34 | dan2 | Shadowcat: because of it's nature as far as functional programming and typesafety, if it compiles, the results on average work perfectly 80+% of the time |
| 00:20.57 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 00:21.11 | Shadowcat | something tells me my day studying haskell will be interesting |
| 00:21.13 | Shadowcat | and after that Prolog |
| 00:21.39 | dan2 | Shadowcat: haskell is interesting, but not exactly all that useful |
| 00:21.47 | Bhavesh | so where were we? |
| 00:21.51 | Shadowcat | ya well I have to learn it to pass this course |
| 00:21.54 | Bhavesh | trying to get securityPolicty thing working |
| 00:22.04 | dan2 | Shadowcat: lazy execution is irritating |
| 00:22.09 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 00:22.24 | Shadowcat | dan2 I think half the channel is scratching their heads wondering what we're talking about right now |
| 00:22.25 | dan2 | Shadowcat: "Damn it computer! DO IT NOW!" |
| 00:22.40 | dvs | Shadowcat: what are you talking about right now? |
| 00:22.43 | Bhavesh | now another problem.. nvidia glx is not loading |
| 00:22.48 | abrotman | yay |
| 00:22.57 | stoned | lol |
| 00:23.06 | Shadowcat | universities are notorious for making people learn languages they'll never use again |
| 00:23.14 | Bhavesh | that's what i said |
| 00:23.23 | abrotman | i learned french at Uni .. spanish in high school |
| 00:23.23 | dvs | People don't use Ada? |
| 00:23.40 | Shadowcat | so that's how they screwed you up |
| 00:23.42 | abrotman | ada ? at least that's interesting .. i learned RPG IV and COBOL |
| 00:23.42 | dan2 | Shadowcat: heh, as well, they're also notorious for teaching about languages, and not how to program in them |
| 00:23.43 | Shadowcat | got it |
| 00:23.58 | dan2 | dvs, the military still uses ada |
| 00:24.00 | Bhavesh | i learned ADA.. the only time i used it was for class project |
| 00:24.02 | Shadowcat | dan2: there's a reason I stopped going to the programming lectures |
| 00:24.05 | Shadowcat | I fall asleep in them |
| 00:24.05 | dvs | dan2: o_O |
| 00:24.21 | Shadowcat | I mean I'd rather type the code than staring at a board full of it |
| 00:24.32 | Shadowcat | last time I checked I wasn't a human compiler yet |
| 00:24.37 | abrotman | dvs: it's true |
| 00:24.41 | dan2 | Shadowcat: I learned C++ from the best. Ask abrotman about Leimy |
| 00:24.48 | itguru | Was there a project to develop new web based admin scripts for debian, that took over from webmin? |
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| 00:25.02 | abrotman | dan2: i think i might see him in a few weeks :) |
| 00:25.03 | syntaxx | whats the package of gd - graph drawing library? |
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| 00:25.08 | dan2 | Shadowcat: Leimy does work on major clusters and he's a master of C++, I swear by it! |
| 00:25.12 | dvs | !leimy |
| 00:25.23 | Shadowcat | heh I believe you |
| 00:25.25 | Shadowcat | anyhow |
| 00:25.27 | Shadowcat | going to sleep |
| 00:25.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:25.41 | dan2 | abrotman: going to seatle? |
| 00:25.44 | abrotman | dan2: no .. |
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| 00:26.06 | stoned | too cold |
| 00:26.26 | dvs | stoned: too cold? try living here! |
| 00:26.33 | abrotman | stoned: you know anything about vintage instruments ? |
| 00:26.40 | map7 | how do I connect to my wireless AP through the command line? (it has no encryption yet) |
| 00:26.42 | Bhavesh | i should have stayed with testing and not hurt myself with unstable |
| 00:26.47 | abrotman | duh |
| 00:26.48 | dan2 | abrotman: when the hell are you going to see Leimy, or where even? |
| 00:26.53 | abrotman | dan2: in PA |
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| 00:26.57 | stoned | little |
| 00:26.59 | dan2 | abrotman: oooooo |
| 00:27.01 | dvs | !Bhavesh++ |
| 00:27.05 | dan2 | abrotman: take him to the Sly Fox and Victory |
| 00:27.19 | abrotman | dunno if he's coming around here |
| 00:27.24 | Bhavesh | what's !Bhavesh++? :) |
| 00:27.24 | dan2 | doh |
| 00:27.33 | Wyzard | hmm, XOrg 7.1 is in incoming, destined for unstable |
| 00:27.33 | abrotman | stoned: know anything about .. say .. this : http://vintage-instruments.com/photos/26568z.jpg |
| 00:27.38 | Yarou | i installed Winblows, GRUB was trashed, i forgot to make a boot disk |
| 00:27.48 | Wyzard | Maybe I'll be able to try out AIGLX soon |
| 00:28.02 | Bhavesh | well right now i be happy with nvidia-glx |
| 00:28.08 | Bhavesh | i even have the package installed |
| 00:28.16 | Yarou | what should i do? |
| 00:28.30 | bofh80 | holy shit, watching a divx movie on linux takes less energy than i do to wipe me arse. cpu is at like 6% lol |
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| 00:28.52 | stoned | id give my left testicle for it |
| 00:28.59 | abrotman | stoned: for divx? |
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| 00:29.13 | simonrvn | !gravity++ |
| 00:29.14 | stoned | what do you think |
| 00:29.18 | chiouyov | what is the exact command to force-loopbreak a package? |
| 00:29.24 | stew | i want some 6% lol |
| 00:29.24 | gravity | :-) |
| 00:29.34 | stew | chiouyov: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 00:29.36 | Bhavesh | i missed that Bhavesh++ thingie what was that for? |
| 00:29.44 | abrotman | stoned: yes .. but how much do you think you'd pay? |
| 00:29.46 | dvs | !karma Bhavesh |
| 00:29.46 | dpkg | bhavesh has karma of 1 |
| 00:29.49 | stew | Bhavesh: someone gave you some karma |
| 00:29.51 | simonrvn | means you got some positive karma |
| 00:30.18 | stoned | about a grand or two |
| 00:30.30 | abrotman | stoned: $1200 |
| 00:30.40 | stoned | yup |
| 00:31.00 | abrotman | stoned: that whole site .. totally weird . it's a 1966 Gibson B-25-12 .. |
| 00:31.05 | Bhavesh | thank you |
| 00:31.06 | MatBoy | I need a very very small MTA that recognizes the mail-command. Only to send to a mailrelay. ssmtp does not recognize "mail" |
| 00:31.10 | Bhavesh | is that good? |
| 00:31.15 | abrotman | MatBoy: nullmailer |
| 00:31.21 | stoned | i'll be checking it |
| 00:31.22 | MatBoy | abrotman, thanks ! |
| 00:31.22 | chiouyov | stew, i need the command |
| 00:31.33 | Bhavesh | ok off all the things, why would x not be able to find fixed fonts? |
| 00:32.23 | Bhavesh | well ok it's good |
| 00:32.32 | Bhavesh | i think i talk too much and help less and ask too many questions |
| 00:32.53 | abrotman | !fixed |
| 00:32.53 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 00:33.04 | Wyzard | Bhavesh: You mentioned unstable a few minutes ago... did you swtich to unstable and upgrade to XOrg 7? |
| 00:33.19 | MatBoy | abrotman, nullmailer does not recognize "mail" also :( |
| 00:33.27 | simonrvn | Bhavesh: to each their own. own time, skills, etc. |
| 00:33.38 | abrotman | MatBoy: back to exim for you |
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| 00:33.59 | MatBoy | abrotman, should it recognize it than ? |
| 00:34.00 | Wyzard | MatBoy: The "mail" command is in a separate package... see mailx |
| 00:34.12 | MatBoy | Wyzard, :) |
| 00:34.19 | Bhavesh | Wyzard: no.. i installed from debian cd, and went straight to unstable |
| 00:34.26 | Wyzard | MatBoy: It just connects to localhost:25 and talks to whichever MTA you're running |
| 00:34.26 | abrotman | MatBoy: they all should |
| 00:34.29 | Bhavesh | no stable-> unstable migration |
| 00:34.51 | Wyzard | Bhavesh: OK, so you're not upgrading an existing xorg.conf that was used with XOrg 6.x? |
| 00:34.58 | StarWars | Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5.0/20041030/interbase.so' - libfbclient.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
| 00:35.03 | Bhavesh | nope fresh install |
| 00:35.07 | stew | chiouyov: what package are you having trouble with? is it e2fsprogs? |
| 00:35.13 | StarWars | i cant run ./file.php http://pastebin.ca/176867 and i need some lib install |
| 00:35.14 | MatBoy | abchirk, ssmtp uses ssmtp I have seen, smail uses smail :S |
| 00:35.19 | Wyzard | Bhavesh: because I had to update the FontPath lines in my xorg.conf when I upgraded from 6.9 to 7.0 |
| 00:35.41 | Wyzard | Bhavesh: Check that yours begin with "/usr/share/X11/fonts"... that could explain your lack of "fixed" |
| 00:35.54 | MatBoy | Wyzard, mailx need exim ;) |
| 00:35.57 | Bhavesh | Wyzard: i understand.. mine has two problems, can not load nvidia glx module and can not find fixed fonts |
| 00:36.02 | Bhavesh | Wyzard: thank u .. lemme check |
| 00:36.05 | abrotman | i seriously doubt php4-cgi has session support |
| 00:36.05 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:36.06 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:36.06 | MatBoy | s/need/needs |
| 00:36.26 | MatBoy | Bhavesh, yep.. that is known problem |
| 00:36.38 | Wyzard | MatBoy: No it doesn't... it depends on "exim4 | mail-transport-agent", which means that any package providing "mail-transport-agent" will work, but exim4 is what apt will choose if none is already installed |
| 00:36.49 | Bhavesh | hmm |
| 00:36.52 | stew | StarWars: aptitude install php5-interbase |
| 00:37.01 | Wyzard | MatBoy: nullmailer provides mail-transport-agent, so it should work |
| 00:37.02 | Bhavesh | there are no fonts listed under /usr/share/X11/fonts/ |
| 00:37.21 | MatBoy | Wyzard, but all with for an example... exim or sendmail |
| 00:37.27 | Bhavesh | i mean /usr/share/fonts/X11 |
| 00:37.37 | Bhavesh | MatBoy: any solution? |
| 00:37.54 | Bhavesh | or should I simply reinstall and go back to stable/testing and manually install nvidia drivers? |
| 00:38.20 | MatBoy | Bhavesh, nope, not for the moment... when you click on OpenGL in nvidia-settings, nvidia-settings will crash |
| 00:38.20 | stew | Bhavesh: stable/testing is not a good idea, use stable + backports (preferably) or testing |
| 00:38.31 | Wyzard | Bhavesh: Interesting... I have "/usr/share/X11/fonts" in my xorg.conf, and those paths don't even exist on my system, so I guess FontPath lines aren't actually needed to tell XOrg about its own standard font dirs |
| 00:38.40 | MatBoy | stew, you don't want stabe on a workstatino |
| 00:38.42 | MatBoy | ion |
| 00:38.52 | Bhavesh | well i normally go stable+testing |
| 00:38.52 | MatBoy | s/stabe/stable |
| 00:38.57 | Bhavesh | bbl.. have to run to close the shop :) |
| 00:38.57 | abrotman | stew: does php5-cgi have session support ? |
| 00:38.58 | Wyzard | Bhavesh: Installing the nVidia driver shouldn't have caused font problems... |
| 00:39.06 | chiouyov | stew, yes, i got the coommand, but even when i choose"Yes, do as I say", I get 'Abort'. |
| 00:39.12 | stew | abrotman: i don't know what that would mean |
| 00:39.13 | StarWars | Fatal error: Call to undefined function session_start() |
| 00:39.19 | MatBoy | Bhavesh, do you have SMP ? |
| 00:39.25 | stew | chiouyov: you don't want to force the loopbreak |
| 00:39.26 | StarWars | ?? need mysql-sesion or extension ?? |
| 00:39.35 | stew | dpkg: tell chiouyov about e2fsprogs loop |
| 00:39.38 | Bhavesh | Wyzard: i know.. the reason the whole mess started, my xmms would not play music :) tv worked, mplayer played movies and now i am at a point where i have reinstalled debian 2 times :) |
| 00:39.39 | abrotman | stew: check the first line of his script .. session_start() |
| 00:39.42 | Bhavesh | MatBoy: not so lucky :) |
| 00:39.56 | Bhavesh | bbl in an hour |
| 00:40.06 | MatBoy | Bhavesh, be happy !! Nvidsia will crash on it without a kernel-option :) |
| 00:40.18 | StarWars | stew " Fatal error: Call to undefined function session_start() " what i need to install mysql-extension ?? |
| 00:40.19 | MatBoy | Bhavesh, needed to find it out for 1 day :) |
| 00:40.21 | stew | Bhavesh: you cannot mix stable with pacakges compiled for testing |
| 00:40.32 | Wyzard | MatBoy: I've seen nVidia work fine on SMP systems... |
| 00:40.36 | MatBoy | stew, why not ? |
| 00:40.43 | stew | MatBoy: why not what? |
| 00:40.49 | chiouyov | stew, i want to, my priority is to get a wlan link to work. the system is now minimal. nothing much to loose. but once i get the link going, i can download a lot. |
| 00:40.58 | MatBoy | Wyzard, yep. but with the latest kernels you will have lockups |
| 00:41.02 | stew | StarWars: what are you expecting session_start to do for you on the command line? |
| 00:41.10 | MatBoy | stew, use Testing packages in Stable |
| 00:41.17 | stew | chiouyov: you need to upgrade to stable first |
| 00:41.25 | StarWars | i add in my php file #!/usr/bin/php -q |
| 00:41.46 | Wyzard | MatBoy: With an nvidia module that's properly compiled for the kernel it's being used with? (i.e. with SMP enabled in the kernel config) |
| 00:41.57 | stew | MatBoy: becuase testing packages are compiled against libraries that are not binary compatible with the libraries in stable. you will end up either running testing entirely, and/or breaking stuff |
| 00:42.04 | chiouyov | stew, i cannot do the massive download for upgrading without the link. |
| 00:42.10 | StarWars | stew can you chk my file.php http://pastebin.ca/176867 |
| 00:42.11 | StarWars | ? |
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| 00:42.32 | stew | StarWars: yes, i've seen it, why are you calling session_start? |
| 00:42.42 | wy | Hi all. I want to know what's the name of the program that can let Ubuntu know that I have installed an alternative for a software package. |
| 00:42.47 | abrotman | sessions are an HTTP thing .. not for scripting |
| 00:42.54 | Wyzard | wy: "alternatives" |
| 00:43.16 | Wyzard | wy: hmm, nevermind, I thought that's what it was called |
| 00:43.19 | MatBoy | Wyzard, check the nvnews-forum about it, there is a sticky for it... you need to set option=nopcimm (or something) while loading the kernel... it is especially for SMP system with kernels newer than 2.6.15 |
| 00:43.30 | StarWars | stew i must start srv.php is a lobby so i must run theat proces on background |
| 00:43.37 | MatBoy | stew, just update the packages you need :) |
| 00:43.50 | stew | MatBoy: just use backports |
| 00:43.54 | MatBoy | stew, most of the time apt-get will grab the testing needed onces too |
| 00:44.03 | MatBoy | stew, possible oo |
| 00:44.04 | MatBoy | too |
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| 00:44.35 | MatBoy | stew, I just add the testing debs into sources and sees what happens :P |
| 00:44.55 | abrotman | StarWars: you can't create a session in a CLI php script .. if you don't believe us .. ask ##php |
| 00:44.57 | MatBoy | stew, but stable is always to old in my opninion... also for servers |
| 00:45.12 | stew | MatBoy: its a bad idea. please don't recommend this course of action for others. especially if you don't know if they can get themselves out of a jam when testing breaks |
| 00:45.19 | Wyzard | wy: "equivs", that' |
| 00:45.23 | Wyzard | wy: that's it |
| 00:45.26 | jetscreamer | why you need a 'modern' server |
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| 00:45.39 | StarWars | i dont know what i must to do abrotman ...have you tell mewhat to do or install ..i will :) |
| 00:45.41 | MatBoy | stew, yes indeed... but for a short workaround... it's fast :) |
| 00:45.54 | abrotman | StarWars: you can't create a session in a CLI php script .. if you don't believe us .. ask ##php |
| 00:46.14 | MatBoy | stew, I'm always in the middle... testing... unstable is bad, and sarge is too old. I once needed a unstable package because of a fast fix :) nothing more |
| 00:46.24 | xaque | hi |
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| 00:46.25 | stew | MatBoy: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:46.27 | xaque | I just installed xorg on etch, got the nvidia driver from their website, installed it...all good. startx and boom: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 00:46.45 | MatBoy | stew, thanks ! |
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| 00:47.03 | MatBoy | stew, using Debian for years now... never been so deep into backporting because of no need |
| 00:47.09 | MatBoy | but thanks ! |
| 00:47.12 | jetscreamer | xaque: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 00:47.52 | jetscreamer | justuse a cassette |
| 00:48.03 | MatBoy | jetscreamer, ? |
| 00:48.06 | dvs | MatBoy: Your Datasette? |
| 00:48.08 | dvs | ;-) |
| 00:48.18 | MatBoy | dvs, I have a cleantape... but it was doing strange |
| 00:48.24 | xaque | this is the line of intrest jetscreamer, (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to allocate rankine object |
| 00:48.27 | MatBoy | do I did it twice :) |
| 00:48.34 | jetscreamer | xaque: i've never seen that one |
| 00:48.46 | jetscreamer | xaque: you might try also asking in #nvidia |
| 00:48.49 | xaque | anyone else have any ideas |
| 00:48.50 | xaque | ? |
| 00:48.52 | xaque | jetscreamer: thanks |
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| 00:49.08 | MatBoy | jetscreamer, me too ! |
| 00:49.17 | StarWars | how do i see "or know" wich pkg. i have installed on box "rmp -q" ??rmp |
| 00:49.29 | abrotman | StarWars: are you running debian ? |
| 00:49.34 | StarWars | yeah |
| 00:49.40 | StarWars | whay i join the cheannel:) |
| 00:49.41 | abrotman | and you used RPMs ? |
| 00:49.43 | MatBoy | jetscreamer, but that was with a Matrox + Nvidia... Matrox sucks even worse than a hooker |
| 00:49.46 | jetscreamer | MatBoy: in the old days you could use a 20 dollar cassete tapeplayer... |
| 00:49.48 | abrotman | StarWars: what is your native language? |
| 00:49.52 | chiouyov | does sarge with kernel-2.4.7 support wlan? |
| 00:49.54 | StarWars | yes some |
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| 00:49.57 | dan2 | abrotman: Picture yourself in a boat on a river... with tangerine trees and marmalade skies... |
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| 00:50.08 | abrotman | StarWars: what is your native language? |
| 00:50.08 | StarWars | i use apt-get so they install rpm |
| 00:50.12 | Wyzard | MatBoy: I found that SMP issue that you mentioned, but it looks like it only applies to systems with multiple GPUs |
| 00:50.16 | MatBoy | jetscreamer, MSX-days are over :p |
| 00:50.22 | StarWars | abrotman chinese :) |
| 00:50.26 | jetscreamer | dan2: i hope you're not the girl with kalidescope eyes |
| 00:50.27 | abrotman | !zh |
| 00:50.27 | dpkg | hmm... zh is see cn |
| 00:50.30 | abrotman | cah! |
| 00:50.31 | abrotman | !cn |
| 00:50.32 | dpkg | [cn] China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 00:50.34 | MatBoy | Wyzard, I had it on a HT system |
| 00:50.45 | MatBoy | Wyzard, after that... no lockup anymore |
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| 00:51.07 | dan2 | jetscreamer: heh |
| 00:51.19 | StarWars | what is the command to see my pkg |
| 00:51.20 | StarWars | ? |
| 00:51.25 | MatBoy | Wyzard, but I think I have read all topci on the whole internet about it... and this seemed to work :) |
| 00:51.27 | StarWars | rpm -q |
| 00:51.42 | StarWars | !ro |
| 00:51.50 | StarWars | cah! |
| 00:51.52 | StarWars | !ro |
| 00:51.56 | abrotman | stop already! |
| 00:52.31 | StarWars | Fatal error: Call to undefined function session_start() in /home/rcxnet/www/+_Server_+/srv_.php on line 3 |
| 00:52.41 | Wyzard | StarWars: Debian does not use RPMs |
| 00:52.44 | StarWars | i belive is mysql-extension or sesion |
| 00:52.45 | MatBoy | jetscreamer, btw... $20 for a cassette-tape... expensive.... but you had the blue-line of TDK than ? |
| 00:52.48 | abrotman | StarWars: YOU CAN'T DO THAT.. STOP TRYING |
| 00:53.11 | Wyzard | abrotman: FWIW, the package description for php5-cgi says it has the session module enabled |
| 00:53.12 | MatBoy | abrotman, save sessions into MySQL ? |
| 00:53.29 | abrotman | Wyzard: then he shouldn't be having a problem should he? |
| 00:53.40 | abrotman | Wyzard: you're assuming he got them from etch/sid |
| 00:53.52 | abrotman | Wyzard: and i think he's using php5-cli |
| 00:53.56 | Wyzard | abrotman: I dunno; I don't use sessions in PHP so I don't know how it's supposed to work :-) |
| 00:54.17 | abrotman | Wyzard: which are totally different |
| 00:54.18 | Wyzard | StarWars: You don't need to PM me |
| 00:54.30 | StarWars | in freeBSD i use mysql with sesion and i chk my pkg`s |
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| 00:54.36 | abrotman | argh! .. says it has it too |
| 00:54.46 | Wyzard | StarWars: What you need to do is explaing exactly what it is that you've installed... you're talking about RPM packages, and Debian does not use RPMs |
| 00:55.00 | wy | Wyzard: that's it! thanks! |
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| 00:55.27 | StarWars | and what i must use to see the packages on debian ? |
| 00:55.33 | stew | StarWars: dpkg -l |
| 00:55.33 | Wyzard | StarWars: If you've installed some non-Debian PHP package, we can't help you with that |
| 00:55.39 | Wyzard | StarWars: aptitude |
| 00:55.54 | abrotman | StarWars: how did you install PHP? |
| 00:56.04 | evilbulgarian | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.09 | abrotman | shred |
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| 00:56.16 | abrotman | doesn't work on journaled FSes |
| 00:56.21 | StarWars | apt-get install php5 |
| 00:56.31 | Wyzard | evilbulgarian: wipe, shred... I think I even saw one called "secure-delete" get added to unstable recently |
| 00:56.38 | MatBoy | evilbulgarian, install windows over it ?? :p |
| 00:56.39 | chiouyov | can anyone tell me whether sarge with kernel-2.4.7 support wlan? |
| 00:56.55 | Wyzard | abrotman: I believe that only applies to filesystems that do full data journaling, not just metadata journaling |
| 00:56.58 | dvs | 2.4.7? That's OLD! |
| 00:57.07 | evilbulgarian | MatBoy: lol |
| 00:57.11 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Kernel 2.6.8 is available in sarge |
| 00:57.13 | evilbulgarian | Wyzard: thanks was loking at wipe |
| 00:57.38 | berlitux | chiouyov: did WLAN existed when 2.4.7 was released? |
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| 00:57.48 | MatBoy | evilbulgarian, but I think that when you encrypt the files when saving, they also will be erased safely |
| 00:57.51 | abrotman | Wyzard: man shred .. |
| 00:58.18 | dvs | berlitux: I think he's talking about 2.4.27 |
| 00:58.22 | berlitux | all those tools depend too much on the underlying file system |
| 00:58.24 | MatBoy | Wyzard, it was already 2 years ago |
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| 00:58.43 | epsilon | if I start a process with increased priority, will child processes also have increased priority? |
| 00:59.04 | MatBoy | epsilon, I don't think so |
| 00:59.12 | berlitux | epsilon: define priority |
| 00:59.12 | chiouyov | Wyzard, have you got wlan working with 2.6.8? |
| 00:59.14 | Wyzard | MatBoy: Not quite... encrypting the block device has no effect on deleting files, but it does mean that an attacker won't be able to read the left-behind file contents since they're encrypted |
| 00:59.17 | berlitux | do you mean the nice value? |
| 00:59.21 | epsilon | yes |
| 00:59.30 | berlitux | no |
| 00:59.34 | epsilon | crap |
| 00:59.38 | MatBoy | Wyzard, let's call it a workaround :) |
| 00:59.38 | Wyzard | chiouyov: I haven't tried it with 2.6.8... I run unstable so I use newer kernels |
| 00:59.41 | xaque | jetscreamer: what is sid? |
| 00:59.51 | rat | anybody know how to get mng animation working in bootsplash? |
| 00:59.56 | berlitux | AFAIK, nice value inheritance is not implemented in linux, yet |
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| 01:00.30 | epsilon | ok, thx |
| 01:00.33 | Wyzard | chiouyov: WPA might not work with 2.6.8 -- I'm not sure, and it probably depends a lot on what kind of wireless card you have -- but unencrypted and WEP probably will |
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| 01:01.56 | MatBoy | Wyzard, damn, what's happning with your delay ? |
| 01:02.02 | MatBoy | happening |
| 01:02.08 | Wyzard | MatBoy: My delay? |
| 01:02.27 | Wyzard | MatBoy: My ping to you is 0.41 seconds... |
| 01:02.43 | MatBoy | Wyzard, nah, normally you respond faster than 15-lines later :) |
| 01:02.48 | MatBoy | !unbeer Wyzard |
| 01:02.50 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 01:02.57 | abrotman | StarWars: i apologize |
| 01:03.07 | MatBoy | Wyzard, haha |
| 01:03.10 | Wyzard | MatBoy: ha, I don't drink alcohol anyway :-P |
| 01:03.42 | MatBoy | Wyzard, you can pick it up with your skin following Brainiac :P |
| 01:04.06 | MatBoy | Wyzard, give the drunk guy with his bad breath a hard kick under his bud :P |
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| 01:05.17 | chiouyov | Wyzard, no encryption. i want to get my rt2500 chipset belkin to work, but cannot install rt2500 package. libc6 and other packages rev too low. |
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| 01:05.59 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Can't help you with that... stable is aimed at tried-and-true, not latest-and-greatest |
| 01:06.03 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Use backports or Ubuntu |
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| 01:06.45 | MatBoy | Wyzard, Etch is almost 99% latest-and-greatest :) |
| 01:07.23 | MatBoy | Wyzard, I had one package crash in 2 years.... mdadm.... not the most nice one of course directly :) |
| 01:07.29 | Wyzard | MatBoy: I know, but I'm not going to recommend a full upgrade to testing for the sake of getting a wireless card working |
| 01:07.41 | abrotman | stew: apparently you can do it .. for some .. really weird reason |
| 01:07.49 | MatBoy | Wyzard, indeed ! |
| 01:07.54 | berlitux | epsilon: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxkernel/chapter/ch10.html says something else, though |
| 01:09.07 | jetscreamer | xaque: sid is just etch on steroids. etch is fine till you know you want sid. |
| 01:09.08 | MatBoy | Wyzard, I would like to recommend everybody to install Etch on a Workstation. Tried and True is bad on a workstation, or the rest of the world is running still windows 4.11 and 98 at the moment :) You know what I mean I guess :) |
| 01:09.23 | MatBoy | Etch-> Testing |
| 01:09.45 | berlitux | epsilon: but that's why linux is open source, you can take a look at setpriority and fork system calls |
| 01:09.53 | Wyzard | MatBoy: I'd probably be more inclined to recommend Ubuntu for a workstation, since it's actually aimed at that sort of usage |
| 01:10.07 | Wyzard | MatBoy: as opposed to the unsupported unreleased testing branch of a distribution that's more server-oriented |
| 01:10.28 | chiouyov | which is the easiest way to build a etch system from scratch? |
| 01:10.36 | abrotman | build? |
| 01:10.44 | abrotman | as in .. compile ? |
| 01:10.44 | chiouyov | install |
| 01:10.56 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Either install stable and dist-upgrade, or go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer and use the etch installer beta |
| 01:11.03 | MatBoy | Wyzard, yes, I once wanted to use that too... the LiveCD is really better than everything... but I got tagged to Debian... dunno why... Ubuntu sounds so weaky weaky :p |
| 01:11.41 | jetscreamer | MatBoy: hang out in #ubuntu and you will know why |
| 01:11.48 | abrotman | !d-i chiouyov |
| 01:11.48 | dpkg | chiouyov, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:12.03 | abrotman | nice ... |
| 01:12.04 | MatBoy | jetscreamer, I will do that :) I have WideScreen and the bar is not full jet :) |
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| 01:12.35 | jetscreamer | 20 chan limit per client on freenode |
| 01:12.43 | Wyzard | MatBoy: I run unstable on my own desktop systems, because I have enough experience to be OK with that, but to friends who want a "latest and greatest" Linux desktop that "just works", I recommend Ubuntu |
| 01:13.07 | MatBoy | jetscreamer, I have a /24 ;) |
| 01:13.10 | chiouyov | Wyzard, which is the easiest way to upgrade fr sarge to etch, considering i only have a 56k link? |
| 01:13.24 | MatBoy | Wyzard, I totally agree |
| 01:13.55 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Get broadband :-) |
| 01:13.55 | MatBoy | testing was so nice on my laptop that I wanted to use it for the rest of my life. But Ubunto... damn... great ! |
| 01:14.00 | MatBoy | Is it 100% Debian Based ? |
| 01:14.05 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Etch is a moving target -- packages get updated every day |
| 01:14.24 | Wyzard | MatBoy: It's based on Debian, but I'm not sure what the "100%" would be measuring |
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| 01:14.48 | MatBoy | Wyzard, base of working, updating, paths... so on |
| 01:15.00 | abrotman | MatBoy: they have thier own packages |
| 01:15.03 | jetscreamer | etch is a crawling target though.. sid runs. |
| 01:15.11 | abrotman | MatBoy: they are not compatible |
| 01:15.18 | grendal_prime | anyone any good with these damn bluetooth usb devices? |
| 01:15.25 | abrotman | !bluetooth |
| 01:15.25 | dpkg | bluetooth is, like, , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
| 01:15.27 | grendal_prime | i cannot get this one to work..its a broadcom |
| 01:15.31 | berlitux | MatBoy: I did not find any noticable different to switch to Ubuntu |
| 01:15.35 | Wyzard | MatBoy: Ubuntu uses the same infrastructure as Debian, but some of their packages are incompatibly forked from Debian's versions |
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| 01:15.43 | berlitux | my Laptop runs Etch equally well |
| 01:15.46 | grendal_prime | ya abrotman i get werid results |
| 01:16.02 | abrotman | grendal_prime: did it grow hair? |
| 01:16.11 | MatBoy | abrotman, OK, I will use Debian for some time than :) I needed CentOS for some servers... nice way of updating kernels and stable as a rock... but for the rest... Debian is the most flexible in my opinion |
| 01:16.26 | grendal_prime | that would something at least..something ...i might one day need |
| 01:16.31 | MatBoy | berlitux, Stepping is kewl with Laptops :) |
| 01:16.46 | MatBoy | berlitux, that's really going fast up and down |
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| 01:16.49 | jay | I try to use 100% Free software and I also plan to switch from ututo to debian. Does anyone have any advice on staying 100% Free? |
| 01:17.05 | Wyzard | jay: Don't put "non-free" or "contrib" in your sources.list |
| 01:17.10 | jay | Thats all |
| 01:17.12 | MatBoy | jay, take paper and a pencil |
| 01:17.16 | zinx | jay: by which definition of 'free'? |
| 01:17.19 | berlitux | MatBoy: "stepping" does not tell me anything |
| 01:17.20 | grendal_prime | im doing what dpkg suggests |
| 01:17.21 | Wyzard | jay: Debian's "main" archive contains only DFSG-free packages |
| 01:17.24 | jay | Free as in freedom |
| 01:17.42 | Wyzard | jay: though there's an ongoing debate over how to handle binary-only firmware blobs |
| 01:17.49 | MatBoy | berlitux, I mean... switching with Centrino from 400Mhz to 1600 when needed and back |
| 01:18.02 | jay | Thanks for the advice. |
| 01:18.06 | berlitux | you get that with every kernel |
| 01:18.09 | grendal_prime | ill get back to youwith the results |
| 01:18.11 | berlitux | not need for Ubuntu for that |
| 01:18.16 | MatBoy | Wyzard, but about the non-free sources... why are they non-free ? in what way ? |
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| 01:19.09 | odla | jay, use the main repository |
| 01:19.13 | odla | and contrib |
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| 01:19.19 | jay | Thanks |
| 01:19.20 | odla | don't use non-free |
| 01:19.21 | berlitux | MatBoy: you don't even need any extra software to achieve that |
| 01:19.21 | Wyzard | MatBoy: non-free packages are things whose licenses allow Debian to distribute them, but don't meet all the criteria of the DFSG |
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| 01:19.40 | Wyzard | MatBoy: nVidia's drivers are non-free, for example |
| 01:19.48 | MatBoy | berlitux, you need it... it's not default working. |
| 01:20.15 | MatBoy | Wyzard, because you need a Nvidia-card for it... something like it ? |
| 01:20.22 | berlitux | use the cpufreq ondemand scheduler and you are set |
| 01:20.28 | MatBoy | Wyzard, as long as I don;t have to pay :P |
| 01:20.29 | Wyzard | MatBoy: Because they're closed-source |
| 01:20.36 | jay | I think MatBoy is asking for an example of something in which the source code is avialable but is still non-free |
| 01:20.45 | MatBoy | berlitux, that sucks... it can be used ondemand |
| 01:20.50 | jay | nVidia drivers are bin only |
| 01:20.53 | abrotman | jay: non-free for debian ? |
| 01:20.59 | abrotman | qmail is a good example .. |
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| 01:21.01 | MatBoy | Wyzard, ah I get it :) |
| 01:21.06 | MatBoy | as long as I can use it :) |
| 01:21.10 | MatBoy | I'm happy :) |
| 01:21.11 | Wyzard | MatBoy: Nothing in Debian requires you to pay money to a vendor -- Debian can't legally distribute software like that |
| 01:21.25 | MatBoy | Wyzard, nope.... OK, verified :) |
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| 01:21.30 | Wyzard | MatBoy: "non-free" refers to "free as in speech", not "free as in beer" |
| 01:21.49 | MatBoy | Wyzard, damn beer ;) |
| 01:22.01 | MatBoy | Wyzard, but I get it... you don;t get the recept |
| 01:22.20 | MatBoy | "source" |
| 01:22.34 | berlitux | MatBoy: it can be chosen via sysfs |
| 01:22.47 | MatBoy | But still than.... OpenSource with GNU sucks too, or GPL |
| 01:22.50 | abrotman | WRT DFSG .. qmail-src is in non-free .. but the source is there |
| 01:23.10 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: we can't distribute binary versions of it |
| 01:23.10 | MatBoy | berlitux, google about it... I had it loaded while booting... really great ! |
| 01:23.16 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i know the reason why |
| 01:23.24 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: ah, ok. |
| 01:23.28 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: djb is a tard :) |
| 01:23.36 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 01:23.46 | MatBoy | berlitux, and when you monitor it... it goes on demand from the lowest it can get to what it needs and back again directly |
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| 01:24.45 | scud_ | what is the command to make a device? |
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| 01:24.52 | jay | mknod |
| 01:24.58 | MatBoy | giving=holding |
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| 01:25.11 | berlitux | MatBoy: wer're still talking about the same thing? |
| 01:25.18 | scud_ | like /dev/hdl |
| 01:25.22 | MatBoy | berlitux, I don't think so |
| 01:25.29 | scud_ | i thought it was MAKEDEVICE or something similar |
| 01:25.34 | jay | mknod |
| 01:25.38 | MatBoy | berlitux, I talk about CPU-speed on battery |
| 01:25.53 | berlitux | me too |
| 01:26.04 | berlitux | I automatically switch it with laptop-mode |
| 01:26.05 | MatBoy | berlitux, google better ! |
| 01:26.29 | abrotman | i'm gonna kick him in the head! |
| 01:26.39 | Wyzard | scud_: MAKEDEV is a script to automate creating commonly-used device files, but mknod is the underlying program that actually creates them |
| 01:26.42 | MatBoy | abrotman, who ? |
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| 01:26.46 | peterS | scud_: there is a MAKEDEV command, which knows how to make certain types of devices, so you don't have to know the exact mknod parameters |
| 01:26.46 | scud_ | Wyzard: ahh |
| 01:26.48 | Tarantulafudge | hello there |
| 01:26.56 | Tarantulafudge | what is the best window manager for a server? |
| 01:27.00 | Wyzard | scud_: If you use udev, btw, devices get created and removed automatically as-needed |
| 01:27.05 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: why do you want a window manager on a server? |
| 01:27.06 | Tarantulafudge | and don't tell me none cause thats not an answer |
| 01:27.06 | jay | /bin/bash |
| 01:27.09 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: the best window manager is no window manager. |
| 01:27.12 | abrotman | MatBoy: peterS .. he's had it coming for a while |
| 01:27.31 | MatBoy | abrotman, look out for kick-backs ;) |
| 01:27.35 | Wyzard | Tarantulafudge: Window managers have nothing to do with servers... use whichever one you like, or don't bother installing X at all |
| 01:27.35 | scud_ | Wyzard: i had this issue the other day. it sees a hard drive as /dev/hdl but there is no /dev/hdl |
| 01:27.42 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: running X on a server is a bad idea. If you need to use a GUI, use your local X server and use tunneling over ssh. |
| 01:27.46 | Tarantulafudge | Wyzard, they make servers easy to manage. |
| 01:27.46 | peterS | tralala: it's a perfectly good answer. you don't specify anything about the machine except that it is a "server". for a server, no window manager is needed. |
| 01:27.53 | peterS | errr ... that's for Tarantulafudge |
| 01:28.00 | scud_ | Wyzard: not as /dev/hdl but as hdl and there is no /dev/hdl |
| 01:28.09 | Tarantulafudge | Wyzard, and its not like I'm going to use it all the time |
| 01:28.09 | Wyzard | Tarantulafudge: So does ssh from xterms (or whatever) running on some other machine, like your desktop |
| 01:28.19 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: if you want to do something on the machine _other_ than use it as a server, then having a window manager may make sense. but that is not what you asked. |
| 01:28.24 | scud_ | n/m i got it |
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| 01:28.28 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: that's all the more reason not to have X running on the server |
| 01:28.35 | Tarantulafudge | Ugh, |
| 01:28.43 | Tarantulafudge | just tell me one sheesh |
| 01:28.52 | Tarantulafudge | I know that I shouldn't for a server |
| 01:28.57 | jay | Tarantulafudge: what is this box serving? |
| 01:28.59 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: then pick one that you like. |
| 01:29.09 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: doesn't matter, use whatever window manager you want. it's not like there is a specific "server-optimised" window manager |
| 01:29.16 | Tarantulafudge | OK FOR EXAMPLE |
| 01:29.22 | Wyzard | Tarantulafudge: If you just want a window manager and nothing else, and you don't already have a preferred WM, Fluxbox seems to be popular, though I haven't used it myself |
| 01:29.23 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: for example, 'apt-cache search window manager' |
| 01:29.25 | Tarantulafudge | solaris has sun management console |
| 01:29.25 | dondelelcaro | WM are a personal preference; I can tell you what I use, but that probably won't help you. |
| 01:29.35 | Wyzard | Tarantulafudge: If you want some more conveniences, like a file manager, consider XFCE |
| 01:29.42 | MatBoy | Guys, I'm going to sleep |
| 01:29.43 | Wyzard | Tarantulafudge: Don't install a heavyweight DE like GNOME or KDE |
| 01:29.48 | MatBoy | I will miss you all ! |
| 01:29.58 | MatBoy | except abrotman :P |
| 01:30.09 | Tarantulafudge | Wyzard, well I know about all the big window manger, I was just wondering if there was one designed for servers |
| 01:30.15 | peterS | Wyzard: don't tell him _that_. from his questions and his reaction to the idea of not having a window manager, it's possible he really does want GNOME |
| 01:30.20 | Wyzard | Tarantulafudge: Sun Management Console isn't a window manager |
| 01:30.41 | Wyzard | Tarantulafudge: All a window manager does is draw borders and titlebars on windows, and handle moving them around on the screen |
| 01:30.49 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: window managers are designed for a user to use when logging in graphically to a machine. it's not like there are any "server features" that you could put into a window manager, particularly |
| 01:30.51 | Wyzard | Tarantulafudge: and maybe provide some basic menus for launching things like xterms |
| 01:30.53 | MatBoy | !hug abrotman |
| 01:31.03 | MatBoy | Cya ! |
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| 01:32.02 | Wyzard | Tarantulafudge: If you're looking for graphical tools to actually manage your server, that's a completely separate issue |
| 01:32.18 | Tarantulafudge | Wyzard, well, there is one gui app that will run and thats why we need a window manager, vmware management console. |
| 01:32.21 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: your question is a bit like "what color of car should I buy? I'll be using it for commuting to work and back." |
| 01:32.41 | Wyzard | Tarantulafudge: Umm... are you aware that VMware Server is *designed* to be remotely-administratable? |
| 01:32.48 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: you don't need to have that GUI app actually displayed on the server's monitor |
| 01:32.56 | Wyzard | Tarantulafudge: You can install the VMware Client on your desktop and use it to control VMs on the server |
| 01:33.00 | Tarantulafudge | Wyzard, yes, but it lags and puts strain on the network |
| 01:33.06 | chiouyov | i have a machine with WinXP which i am using now via wlan. i have a second machine with debian stable with a 56k link. i want to use the winxp machine to download stuff to upgrade my debian machine to etch with wlan link. what are the essential stuffs to download? |
| 01:33.09 | Wyzard | ok |
| 01:33.09 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: it's far more convenient from an administrative perspective to export it to your local console at your desk |
| 01:33.42 | Wyzard | Tarantulafudge: Well, as we've said already, use any window manager you want; VMware doesn't care |
| 01:33.51 | chiouyov | transfer between the 2 machines nis by cdrw. |
| 01:33.54 | dondelelcaro | (which means that you don't have to have a monitor in the rack or wear a parka while balancing a keyboard in your lap) |
| 01:34.05 | jay | lol |
| 01:34.24 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: Bandwidth is a fair argument though... viewing a VM remotely involves streaming bitmaps over the network, much like VNC |
| 01:34.47 | Tarantulafudge | Wyzard, I know, I was just hoping for a window manager that had server-related features such monitoring network traffic and performing admin-related actions without having to load up all different sorts of applications |
| 01:34.50 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: sure, but I assume we're talking about relatively local administrators here |
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| 01:35.13 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: building those things into a _window manager_ is a horrible idea. get used to the idea of separate applications |
| 01:35.32 | Wyzard | Tarantulafudge: The job of a window manager is to draw borders and titlebars on windows, and maybe to provide "taskbar" buttons so you can keep track of which windows you have open. That is all. |
| 01:35.39 | jay | See you guys later. Thanks for the input. |
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| 01:36.24 | Tarantulafudge | Wyzard, I know what a window manger is supposed to do, but that doesn't change what it /could/ do :P |
| 01:37.17 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: many window managers have some sort of 'dock' feature, where external applications can embed themselves into the shiny shapes provided by the window manager. you might want one of those - windowmaker is a popular one |
| 01:38.09 | Wyzard | Tarantulafudge: Wanting your window manager to do network monitoring is like wanting the paint on your walls to provide a burglar alarm for your house |
| 01:38.09 | Tarantulafudge | peterS, thanks for the suggestion, I had forgotten about windowmaker |
| 01:38.11 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: in other cases, you can have a 'task bar' application separate from the window manager, which includes this 'dock' functionality. one example of the latter approach is GNOME. |
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| 01:38.27 | Wyzard | Tarantulafudge: You might be interested in gkrellm, btw |
| 01:39.08 | Tarantulafudge | Wyzard, yeah I've heard of that one, I think i'll give it a whirl |
| 01:39.34 | peterS | how is gkrellm pronounced? |
| 01:39.49 | Tarantulafudge | Part of the reason is that employees like to see something shiny on the monitor or they'll scream like the sky is falling |
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| 01:40.23 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: so you're saying what you really want is an X server instance which can run at least one screen saver. (: |
| 01:40.42 | Tarantulafudge | peterS, lol |
| 01:40.46 | nkr | i'm having trouble starting up X... it says "could not open default font 'fixed'" |
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| 01:40.58 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 01:41.04 | peterS | OTOH, there are always screen savers that don't require X, such as cmatrix |
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| 01:41.48 | abrotman | vlock! |
| 01:42.00 | dondelelcaro | that's when the server room is locked, and you build a decoy server room |
| 01:42.07 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: give them a plastic sheriff badge :) |
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| 01:42.33 | Tarantulafudge | I think windowmaker is perfect |
| 01:42.38 | Tarantulafudge | thanks |
| 01:42.46 | Wyzard | peterS: cmatrix is awesome :-) |
| 01:43.08 | berlitux | Tarantulafudge: you might also take a look at xfce4 |
| 01:43.16 | Tarantulafudge | Thank you #debian for not being all pissy like it usually is |
| 01:43.25 | dondelelcaro | welcome to cmatrix_ |
| 01:43.27 | Wyzard | peterS: In college I wanted to go into a computer lab at night and run cmatrix from a boot floppy on every machine in the room... but they had the BIOSes locked down so I couldn't |
| 01:43.34 | peterS | Wyzard: it's a bit old-fashioned (doesn't change your font to that stupid japanese-oid thing, etc.) but it still produces a reasonable effect |
| 01:44.05 | Wyzard | peterS: That would've been so great, though... the first person to come into the lab in the morning would be pretty scared for a while there :-) |
| 01:44.30 | dondelelcaro | peterS: there's a verison of it that uses UTF8 or consolechars or whatever it is to switch to the right font |
| 01:44.31 | Wyzard | peterS: It can change the font if you use the "-l" option |
| 01:44.50 | Wyzard | cmatrix -lba <-- win |
| 01:45.08 | chiouyov | i have a machine with WinXP which i am using now via wlan. i have a second machine with debian stable with a 56k link. i want to use the winxp machine to download stuff to upgrade my debian machine to etch with wlan link. what are the essential stuffs to download? |
| 01:45.20 | dondelelcaro | chiouyov: you want apt-zip |
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| 01:45.45 | peterS | Wyzard: long, long, long ago I used a hex editor and a bit of magic to switch a computer-lab-full of machines running a Novell Netware DOS login box, to print the login prompt mirror-image |
| 01:45.47 | Wyzard | chiouyov: You could put a network card in the XP box and network the Debian box through it |
| 01:46.38 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.39 | peterS | Wyzard: actually it was a screen saver consisting of "Press any key to log in" reprinted in random places on the screen. I reversed the text string in the binary, and loaded a font of reversed letters. |
| 01:47.01 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 01:47.16 | peterS | the admin thought it was probably a password-storing trojan |
| 01:47.29 | peterS | so, y'know, was less amused than he might've been |
| 01:47.58 | dondelelcaro | peterS: that makes it all the more fun and exciting |
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| 01:48.25 | blaze3 | anyone here use the ocfs2 |
| 01:48.26 | blaze3 | ? |
| 01:48.49 | peterS | overclockers' filesystem? like it flips bits every now and then, to simulate a souped up machine? |
| 01:49.03 | blaze3 | oracle clustered file system |
| 01:49.06 | blaze3 | close tho |
| 01:49.48 | Tarantulafudge | peterS, no as in pushing your system to the edge with bleeding software |
| 01:49.50 | abrotman | oh yeah .. that's packaged! :) |
| 01:50.14 | Tarantulafudge | peterS, such as reiser4fs |
| 01:50.51 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: reiser4 is a mystery. nobody I've talked to has any idea if it is any good. apparently people who care about filesystems (including me) all tried reiserfs and got their fingers burned and are now afraid to try reiser4 |
| 01:51.11 | Tarantulafudge | peterS, I used to use it on gentoo |
| 01:51.22 | Tarantulafudge | peterS, it is FAST |
| 01:51.34 | zinx | compared to reiserfs3, i'm sure |
| 01:51.39 | zinx | but that was slow as balls :D |
| 01:51.47 | peterS | reiser4 _is_ a rewrite, so one can't really hold reiserfs against it, but since it's written by the same people who hold the same philosophy, we are still reluctant to trust it |
| 01:51.51 | icyfire0573 | Its got dancing trees, how can you go wrong with dancing trees. |
| 01:51.54 | mechcow | peterS: I'm definately in that camp. I spent a month trying to get around a bug in reiser3 that took out my home giant raid |
| 01:52.24 | peterS | icyfire0573: talking about the namesys web site? that's got to be the most bizarrely illustrated site I've ever seen that's trying to talk about a serious subject |
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| 01:52.45 | chiouyov | dondelelcaro, wyzard, i'll look at apt-zip. setup a lan would be a hussle. |
| 01:52.52 | Tarantulafudge | peterS, I mean it, reiser4 is extremely fast compared to any other filesystem, but I don't use it anymore because reiser is an asshole and the OSS community needs standards |
| 01:52.54 | Wyzard | I use reiser3... I'd like to use XFS, but it bugs me that its resizer doesn't support shrinking, only growing |
| 01:53.16 | peterS | Wyzard: even offline resizing? |
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| 01:53.20 | Wyzard | Tarantulafudge: Did you hear his wife disappeared a few weeks ago? |
| 01:53.27 | Tarantulafudge | Wyzard, yeah I did |
| 01:53.33 | peterS | Wyzard: I think it's reasonable that online resizing will only grow, not shrink. but offline it should be able to do both. |
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| 01:53.37 | Wyzard | peterS: growing is *only* supported online, not offline, and shrinking is not supported at all |
| 01:54.03 | Tarantulafudge | Wyzard, he probably did her in :P |
| 01:54.08 | peterS | Wyzard: what, so if you want to grow the fs, it can only be done by the kernel driver, not by an independent user tool? bah. |
| 01:54.09 | dondelelcaro | why would you not be able to resize offline? |
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| 01:54.28 | Wyzard | peterS: JFS can't shrink either... the only ones I know of that can are ext2/3 and reiser |
| 01:54.41 | peterS | dondelelcaro: some people actually put that sort of functionality only in the kernel, I guess |
| 01:54.47 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: because it's not implemented in the tools |
| 01:54.54 | grendal_prime | ya, abrotman it acts as though its working but..does nothing |
| 01:54.58 | icyfire0573 | if just just throw some cold water on them I'm sure they will all shrink. |
| 01:55.00 | Wyzard | unless they've added it in the past year or two, I guess; I haven't checked |
| 01:55.01 | dondelelcaro | peterS: I suppose, but it seems stupid not to have it in a set of code that can be easily turned int a library |
| 01:55.02 | abrotman | grendal_prime: huh ? |
| 01:55.18 | dondelelcaro | but then again, it's not like a lot of people design their code to be modular and do that easily |
| 01:55.27 | peterS | Wyzard: I do have to say, growing a JFS online was really easy in AIX in 1996. that's how many years they were ahead of Linux. |
| 01:55.30 | grendal_prime | Can't read local name on hci0: Input/output error (5) |
| 01:55.44 | grendal_prime | my shitty little bluth adapter |
| 01:55.45 | Wyzard | peterS: How about shrinking one? :-) |
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| 01:55.50 | peterS | Wyzard: nope |
| 01:55.56 | Wyzard | peterS: I use LVM so I don't want to use filesystems that I can only grow |
| 01:55.57 | grendal_prime | bluetooth adapter that is |
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| 01:56.15 | peterS | Wyzard: well, you have to admit, the _contents_ of filesystems usually grow rather than shrink |
| 01:56.24 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 01:56.28 | Wyzard | I know... but I like to have the flexibility |
| 01:56.57 | peterS | Wyzard: what you need is zfs. it neither grows nor shrinks, it just sort of occupies space, in its own LVM, which is called the storage pool |
| 01:57.28 | grendal_prime | the proc on it says its up and running |
| 01:57.30 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.45 | peterS | integrating the LVM with the filesystem is not, in my opinion, the best idea in the world, but it's interesting, and ZFS demonstrates it well. |
| 01:58.00 | Tarantulafudge | we need to do away with partitions entireley me thinks |
| 01:58.01 | grendal_prime | can i past the results in #flood for you abrotman |
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| 01:58.18 | abrotman | you can |
| 01:58.21 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: that's the idea of ZFS. all your disks are belong to it. individual filesystems take what they need. |
| 01:58.21 | Wyzard | peterS: I guess that means initrd generators would need special support for root-on-ZFS |
| 01:58.21 | Tarantulafudge | and just have filesystems, and you can assign 'limits' to them |
| 01:58.23 | digit | hi all |
| 01:59.02 | stainlessmice | lol zfs |
| 01:59.10 | peterS | Wyzard: well, it would depend on what the Linux port of ZFS did w/r/t kernel and user tools. since such a port does not yet exist, we can't really know |
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| 01:59.33 | stainlessmice | is ZFS patented? |
| 01:59.47 | peterS | stainlessmice: I'm sure it is. it's written by Sun, after all. |
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| 01:59.58 | stainlessmice | dangerous... |
| 02:00.14 | peterS | Wyzard: I once asked one of the ZFS designers "so how is this different from LVM?" and she admitted that it really isn't, except that the two concepts of LVM and FS are integrated into one thing |
| 02:00.58 | Wyzard | peterS: On the other hand, that (presumably) means that fragmentation doesn't stay confined to a particular LV |
| 02:01.07 | peterS | what it _does_ mean is that online resizing is transparent. you manage the LVM size by adding / removing disks, but beyond that you don't have to worry about FS sizes |
| 02:01.16 | icyfire0573 | peterS, your obviously lying as no girl would ever do something technical. On a non-joking/derogatory note that is really an interesting concept. |
| 02:01.44 | peterS | icyfire0573: yeah, well, I think she's still at www.nmt.edu/~val/ so see for yourself (: |
| 02:02.03 | Wyzard | grr... libwmf0.2-7 is blocking me from installing GTK 2.10 |
| 02:02.12 | icyfire0573 | haha, I never doubted it for a second. Our primary developer at my work is a woman. |
| 02:02.46 | stainlessmice | icyfire057, a grandmother? |
| 02:03.08 | icyfire0573 | no |
| 02:03.23 | stainlessmice | icyfire0573, a chick? |
| 02:03.38 | icyfire0573 | the woman at work? yes |
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| 02:03.52 | stainlessmice | icyfire0573, a 5-year-old chick? |
| 02:04.02 | icyfire0573 | What? |
| 02:04.10 | stainlessmice | hahaha |
| 02:04.47 | peterS | ok y'all had your laughs about women doing anything useful with computers. you can stop being retarded now |
| 02:05.08 | icyfire0573 | I agree |
| 02:05.15 | chiouyov | dondelelcaro, apt-zip has minimal info, its README is only a couple of lines. how to use it, or info for it? |
| 02:05.54 | Wyzard | chiouyov: I really think you'd be better off just networking the Debian box through the Windows box |
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| 02:06.30 | SerajewelKS | when connecting OOo base to MySQL with JDBC, i get this: [unixODBC][Driver Manager]Data source name not found, and no default driver specified |
| 02:06.50 | chiouyov | Wyzard, how would you it? |
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| 02:07.09 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Does the Windows box have an (unused) wired network jack? |
| 02:07.22 | chiouyov | Wyzard, connect them thro' a wired lan? |
| 02:07.32 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Connect them with a crossover cable |
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| 02:07.48 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Windows has a feature called "network bridge", though I think it's actually more like NAT routing than actual bridging |
| 02:08.08 | Wyzard | chiouyov: but if you add both the wired and wireless interfaces to the network bridge, the Debian box should be able to get online |
| 02:08.37 | Wyzard | chiouyov: If the "network bridge" thing doesn't work with wireless devices, use Internet Connection Sharing (or whatever it's called) instead |
| 02:08.55 | dondelelcaro | chiouyov: man apt-zip-list; has the documentation on it; basically, you'll update the Packages and Release file on the non-networked box, if you can run apt-get update; that's good enough. |
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| 02:09.52 | chiouyov | Wyzard, i don't have the cable on hand, and there is no ethernet on my debian. |
| 02:10.01 | dondelelcaro | chiouyov: then you run apt-zip-list --medium=/mnt/foo; or similar, which will take the list of packages that apt-get upgrade; would have installed, and create a shell script that can be used to download the packages. |
| 02:10.02 | Wyzard | ah |
| 02:10.24 | Wyzard | chiouyov: ...out of curiosity, why do you want to run testing on a non-networked box? |
| 02:10.35 | chiouyov | dondelelcaro, yeh, more info there. thks. |
| 02:10.38 | dondelelcaro | chiouyov: on the windows box with cygwin and wget installed, run the shell script, which produces a tarball, which you stick on the device, then take it back to the non networked box, and run apt-zip-inst to install it |
| 02:10.55 | Wyzard | chiouyov: The purpose of testing is to find bugs, and bugs are generally resolved by releasing updated packages that people download and install |
| 02:11.20 | StarWars | hi |
| 02:11.23 | StarWars | Fatal error: Call to undefined function session_start() in /home/rcxnet/www/index.php on line 2 |
| 02:11.58 | Wyzard | StarWars: You asked about that earlier, but I don't think you ever explained what PHP package you're using |
| 02:12.06 | Wyzard | StarWars: since you were asking about RPM stuff |
| 02:12.49 | chiouyov | Wyzard, that is debatable. 'testing' is also 'etch'. it has nore packages than 'stable. i started off with stable, found it restricted. |
| 02:13.01 | abrotman | StarWars: dpkg -l php5-cli | tail -1 |
| 02:13.15 | Wyzard | chiouyov: What's debatable? Testing is the not-yet-released next edition of Debian. |
| 02:13.28 | Wyzard | chiouyov: It has newer software, yes, but it gets updated packages every day and it's not a stable release |
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| 02:13.42 | digit | hey all I need some help |
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| 02:14.06 | chiouyov | Wyzard, more on that later. |
| 02:14.06 | Wyzard | chiouyov: If what you want is just newer software for a desktop system, download the Ubuntu iso on the Windows box and burn it |
| 02:14.52 | icyfire0573 | Or just get the whole DVD of testing and forget about updating it. |
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| 02:15.10 | digit | my situation basically is this: tried to install debian testing on my system it installs fine cept one thing grub fails |
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| 02:15.18 | chiouyov | dondelelcaro, sorry, don't get you. you menq run 'wget'? the device means the cdrw? |
| 02:15.31 | icyfire0573 | digit, what is your /boot filesystem |
| 02:15.43 | odla | digit, install grub...grub-install /dev/hd*, update-grub |
| 02:15.48 | digit | ext3 |
| 02:16.01 | icyfire0573 | digit, is it on a RAID or LVM or anything? |
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| 02:16.15 | digit | its a sata drive |
| 02:16.19 | chiouyov | hey, Wyzard is peddling Ubu ntu in debian. Sacrilege! |
| 02:16.21 | odla | icyfire0573, grub failed for me today too |
| 02:16.26 | dondelelcaro | chiouyov: the script will run wget for you; the device means whatever writable device you're moving back and forth |
| 02:16.40 | icyfire0573 | odla, I've had grub fail, and then I told the installer to run it again and then we were all good. |
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| 02:16.53 | Wyzard | chiouyov: I see nothing wrong with that... Ubuntu is where I send people who complain that Debian stable is too out-of-date :-) |
| 02:17.04 | odla | icyfire0573, i tried that 3 times to no avail...glad you had luck :) |
| 02:17.37 | chiouyov | dondelelcaro, which script are you referring to? and where is it located? |
| 02:17.43 | digit | how do i get this fixed im not real good at manual config |
| 02:17.55 | icyfire0573 | The other thing to try is to drop to busybox, chroot to /target and try installing grub from there (you may have to install it which is actually quite weird because it should be installed to begin with) |
| 02:18.12 | Bhavesh | ok i made up my mind |
| 02:18.18 | Bhavesh | i am going to reinstall again |
| 02:18.29 | odla | digit, su to root, type 'grub-install /dev/hdc(a)' then type 'update-grub' |
| 02:18.36 | chiouyov | Wyzard, why not work on debian to match ip to ubuntu in that respect? |
| 02:18.41 | icyfire0573 | odla, he said SATA, that means /dev/sda |
| 02:18.41 | Bhavesh | and stick with stable/manual kernel config and see if my xmms comes back to life |
| 02:18.45 | odla | ok |
| 02:19.02 | Wyzard | chiouyov: because Debian has a different target audience than Ubuntu, and different goals |
| 02:19.02 | odla | grub-install /dev/sda |
| 02:19.03 | digit | and this works on a sata disk |
| 02:19.29 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Tried-and-true is more important than latest-and-greatest in Debian releases; it's meant to be suitable for things like mission-critical servers |
| 02:19.35 | icyfire0573 | digit, I've got two machines that are sata only that this works on. (well the installer didn't actually havea problem, but it did install grub) |
| 02:20.02 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Ubuntu is a desktop-oriented derivative of Debian that makes up-to-date desktop goodness a higher priority |
| 02:20.04 | icyfire0573 | Wyzard, unless your running testing, I had the most fun week when I was using that and they upgraded postfix and it broke :-) |
| 02:20.23 | abrotman | not exactly goodness if it doesn't work :) |
| 02:20.26 | icyfire0573 | But its already established that testing isn't really for servers. |
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| 02:20.48 | Wyzard | icyfire0573: Testing isn't a stable release yet... that's why it's called testing |
| 02:20.55 | chiouyov | Wyzard, why not bring 'stable' up to the state of ubuntu? |
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| 02:21.03 | Wyzard | icyfire0573: You deserve whatever you get if you run testing on a mission-critical server :-) |
| 02:21.16 | icyfire0573 | haha, wasn't mission critical, it was personal do what I want with. |
| 02:21.24 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Newer versions of programs introduce new bugs that have to be found |
| 02:21.25 | icyfire0573 | I do agree w/ the mission critical part though. |
| 02:21.26 | chiouyov | got to read up on apt-zip... |
| 02:21.45 | digit | i tried it both ways you have to understand , while in the installer it askes install to mbr i say yes it fails |
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| 02:22.13 | digit | then i say no and try /deb/sda |
| 02:22.19 | Bhavesh | so any objection? |
| 02:22.22 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Finding the bugs in a given version takes time and much testing, and by the time it's ready for release, it's not the latest version anymore |
| 02:22.24 | digit | and that dont work either |
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| 02:22.53 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Debian's target audience is systems where having all the important bugs found is more important than having the latest version |
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| 02:23.17 | odla | i think debian can is geared towards desktop users too |
| 02:23.27 | abrotman | odla: qotd9! |
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| 02:23.37 | Wyzard | odla: I think you'll find that many people who run Debian on the desktop use testing or unstable |
| 02:23.37 | odla | abrotman, wtf |
| 02:23.40 | odla | :) |
| 02:23.40 | horacio | hi , i need help. I need to recover the data from a partition but i cant mount it because its like the file system was broken |
| 02:23.49 | odla | Wyzard, yeah i'm running sid |
| 02:23.53 | odla | as a desktop |
| 02:23.54 | horacio | it was an ext3 and now i cant mount it |
| 02:23.54 | Wyzard | odla: so am I |
| 02:23.56 | Bhavesh | Wyzard: i am going back to stable :) |
| 02:24.06 | horacio | what can i do, i have important data in this hd sector |
| 02:24.09 | Bhavesh | after installing debian 3 times ;) |
| 02:24.13 | odla | abrotman, i'm still searching for some young ladies to harass in canada |
| 02:24.23 | abrotman | odla: 14 year olds? |
| 02:24.28 | odla | lol |
| 02:24.41 | odla | abrotman, is that what the qotd says? |
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| 02:25.14 | xaque | How do you allow a rgular user to startx? |
| 02:25.27 | abrotman | odla: the other bot |
| 02:25.31 | abrotman | odla: us vs US |
| 02:25.40 | odla | abrotman, yeah yeah..i know :) |
| 02:26.42 | Bhavesh | xaque: i never done anything special |
| 02:27.35 | abrotman | xaque: there shouldn't be any special steps required |
| 02:28.50 | bofh80 | ok. is there anything besides cdrecord that i can use to burn an iso image? please?! |
| 02:29.17 | abrotman | lighter |
| 02:29.19 | xaque | yeah, user error. I was trying to do it accross ssh |
| 02:31.17 | Bhavesh | bofh80: why isn't cd record working? |
| 02:31.29 | Bhavesh | from what i know all other kde/gnome programs use cdrecord as back end |
| 02:31.41 | Bhavesh | abrotman: toaster |
| 02:31.53 | bofh80 | Bhavesh, it just hangs :( |
| 02:32.51 | Bhavesh | bofh80: at what point? |
| 02:33.13 | bofh80 | at the point it's supposed to wirr the cdrom into action and burn |
| 02:33.20 | bofh80 | it picks up the drive etc |
| 02:33.37 | Bhavesh | i am going to re-re-reinstall debian |
| 02:33.46 | Bhavesh | i messed up big time with going directly to unstable |
| 02:33.50 | bofh80 | no errors, no nothing, even with -v |
| 02:34.08 | Bhavesh | hmm |
| 02:34.16 | Bhavesh | who wants to take bofh80's question i am out of ideas :) |
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| 02:34.27 | bofh80 | Bhavesh, i think i've messed up using Etch. debians release schedule is taylored so that Etch should be bloody stable by now :) and it's not is it |
| 02:34.44 | yos | Fatal error: Call to undefined function session_start() in /home/rcxnet/www/index.php on line 2 i use php5 |
| 02:34.46 | Bhavesh | well i installed from a cd and i went straight to unstable |
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| 02:35.17 | abrotman | yos: changing your nick isn't going to help .. |
| 02:35.19 | bofh80 | I installed from cd for etch. now i can't burn another cd to go to stable. or ANYTHING else for that matter until i can BURN a cd ARHJARHJARHJARHJARH |
| 02:35.28 | yos | hmm |
| 02:35.30 | Bhavesh | hehe so it's catch 22 :) |
| 02:35.30 | abrotman | yos: dpkg -l php5-cli | tail -1 |
| 02:35.50 | yos | No packages found matching php5-cli. |
| 02:35.59 | yos | i must install cli php a ? |
| 02:36.05 | abrotman | how about php5-cgi ? |
| 02:36.18 | bofh80 | i cannot freakin believe the whole linux community relies on buggy old cdrecord which dishes out messages about how old and stupid it is |
| 02:36.21 | yos | is secure cgi ? |
| 02:36.26 | abrotman | yos: dpkg -l php5-cgi | tail -1 |
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| 02:36.34 | bofh80 | even wodim fails :( |
| 02:36.45 | yos | No packages found matching php5-cgi. |
| 02:36.48 | Bhavesh | i always burn cd using cdrecord not too many problems |
| 02:36.51 | yos | apt-get install php5-cgi ?? |
| 02:36.59 | abrotman | yos: paste the results of dpkg -l php* |
| 02:37.01 | bofh80 | oh yes i did my homework. freakin debian. starting to get on my tits now. |
| 02:37.02 | yos | aptitude install php5-cgi |
| 02:37.08 | Bhavesh | be back in a bit |
| 02:37.18 | xaque | cdrecord is preferable in my opinion |
| 02:37.19 | yos | km22903-17:/usr/local# dpkg -l php5-cli | tail -1 |
| 02:37.19 | yos | No packages found matching php5-cli. |
| 02:37.20 | bofh80 | i might be tempted to download the latest ubuntu or fedora. but i can't burn a freakin cd |
| 02:37.21 | jetscreamer | your mantits |
| 02:37.29 | jetscreamer | big pendulous one |
| 02:37.36 | yos | wait |
| 02:37.49 | bofh80 | xaque, cdrecord is preferable to WHAT in your opinion exactly?"?!?!?!! my point is there isn't anything else |
| 02:37.55 | Wyzard | bofh80: Actually, cdrecord recently was forked in unstable for the purpose of addressing some of those issues that the upstream maintainer refuses to acknowledge |
| 02:38.04 | odla | bofh80, you could use a gui for cdrecord |
| 02:38.05 | Wyzard | bofh80: CD burning should work for root, though |
| 02:38.05 | abrotman | he said wodim didn't seem to work |
| 02:38.16 | xaque | bofh80: at the cli |
| 02:38.19 | Wyzard | ah |
| 02:38.28 | bofh80 | Wyzard, i've tried all the gui's as root and not. and the CLI :( |
| 02:38.40 | Wyzard | bofh80: What does it say is wrong? |
| 02:38.47 | yos | abrotman http://pastebin.ca/176989 |
| 02:38.59 | xaque | bofh80: and whats the problem anyway, error messages or a pastebin might help |
| 02:39.23 | xaque | boot to a live cd on a system that has two drives and burn a cd from there, no? |
| 02:39.32 | bofh80 | Wyzard, nowt, no errors, even with -v . just hangs at hte point it's about to wirr the cdrom into action (no actual lights or drive movements happen) it does pick up the fact i have a blankcd in there |
| 02:39.43 | abrotman | yos: those are unofficial packages .. where'd you get them ? |
| 02:39.55 | bofh80 | xaque, no errors :S |
| 02:39.55 | yos | from jp :) |
| 02:40.06 | abrotman | yos: well .. i have no idea how they were compiled |
| 02:40.08 | yos | i dont finde the source.list ... |
| 02:40.09 | xaque | -vv bofh80 |
| 02:40.14 | bofh80 | xaque, i would need a live cd burned then wouldn't i :) |
| 02:40.29 | yos | so wich source link`s i must add for mysql5 and php5 ? |
| 02:40.37 | yos | i use savage |
| 02:40.38 | xaque | bofh80: then install it to a flash drive and boot from that |
| 02:40.52 | xaque | bofh80: you have options, cdrecordable is not the only source of media |
| 02:40.58 | yos | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l |
| 02:41.04 | abrotman | yos: those are unofficial packages .. and apparently not common ones .. i'm not sure anyone here will be much help .. |
| 02:41.08 | bofh80 | xaque, cool. i'll try the -vv. |
| 02:41.23 | yos | i will get new source.list |
| 02:41.41 | yos | tell`me please wich mirors have mysql5 and php5 ? |
| 02:42.03 | abrotman | !backports |
| 02:42.04 | dpkg | hmm... backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 02:42.16 | dotCOMmie | funkey project seems to be dead (no 2.6 support) is there something similar to replace it? |
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| 02:43.57 | bofh80 | don't mind me. i'm just gagging that i have to be up for work with this ipcop box that i haven't built cos i can't burn a f**kin cd. i think i'm gonig for a smoke. since alsa gave out when i changed processors, and now quake3 keeps crashing. gonna hurt someone soon. at least Xchat doesn't crash. BOUT THE ONLY F**KIN THING THAT WORKS |
| 02:44.31 | jetscreamer | you suck. you can't run quake. you should kill yourself. |
| 02:44.35 | abrotman | bofh80: put the old CPU back |
| 02:44.48 | xaque | anyone know of a gui wireless network manager? |
| 02:44.56 | Wyzard | bofh80: IDE burner? |
| 02:45.05 | jetscreamer | just that gnome and kde have em |
| 02:45.08 | bofh80 | abrotman, NOOO it was a celeron. this is a p4. don't make me do that. the cdrecord was not working before i changed..... |
| 02:45.15 | Wyzard | bofh80: Try rmmod'ing ide-cd, modprobe ide-scsi instead, and use /dev/scd0 as your burner device |
| 02:45.17 | bofh80 | Wyzard, yes IDE |
| 02:45.24 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 02:45.25 | Wyzard | bofh80: might help, or might not, but it's worth a try |
| 02:45.38 | abrotman | bofh80: put it back .. see if everything works again |
| 02:45.58 | jetscreamer | chown root:cdrom /usr/bin/wodim and cdr* |
| 02:46.01 | Wyzard | xaque: There's one called "network-manager", actually |
| 02:46.10 | Wyzard | xaque: GTK front-end is in "network-manager-gnome" |
| 02:46.27 | jetscreamer | and ln -sn /dev/hdb /dev/cdrom ... or whatever |
| 02:46.28 | bofh80 | Wyzard, it might help. but i have no idea how to do that :) |
| 02:46.50 | bofh80 | jetscreamer, that all for me? :) |
| 02:46.54 | jetscreamer | si |
| 02:47.03 | Wyzard | bofh80: rmmod ide-cd; modprobe ide-scsi |
| 02:47.29 | xaque | Wyzard: is it nice? I just want absolute basic without having to type a single command |
| 02:48.06 | Wyzard | xaque: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ |
| 02:48.17 | Wyzard | xaque: It's not in sarge though |
| 02:48.25 | Wyzard | only testing and unstable |
| 02:48.26 | jetscreamer | i didn't care for that network-manager thing i think... it came accidentally |
| 02:48.36 | bofh80 | jetscreamer, what does the root:cdrom bit do? am i meant to change that for my system? |
| 02:49.06 | jetscreamer | chown root:cdrom changes the owner to root and the group to cdrom |
| 02:49.12 | jetscreamer | man chown |
| 02:49.25 | bofh80 | cool |
| 02:49.38 | bofh80 | and ln -sn line - linking a /dev to a /dev? |
| 02:49.49 | bofh80 | mine would be /dev/hdd |
| 02:50.03 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: If it already detects there's a blank CD in the drive, it's not a problem of a wrong device file |
| 02:50.09 | jetscreamer | creating a symlink named cdrom to the device |
| 02:50.16 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:50.21 | jetscreamer | didn't see that |
| 02:50.24 | bofh80 | oh |
| 02:50.25 | jetscreamer | wife is talking |
| 02:50.27 | jetscreamer | but |
| 02:50.28 | Wyzard | I think that's what he said |
| 02:50.34 | jetscreamer | it doens't hurt to have one |
| 02:50.44 | jetscreamer | you may already have one |
| 02:50.51 | Wyzard | It's even better to use udev and have it created automatically :-) |
| 02:50.57 | jetscreamer | i create a /dev/dvd also |
| 02:50.59 | jetscreamer | when i need |
| 02:51.05 | jetscreamer | is that where that came from? |
| 02:51.19 | bofh80 | Wyzard, ide-cd inuse it says . .. . . . . possible one of the hung cdrecords. do i need to reboot agian :( |
| 02:51.25 | jetscreamer | i just started letting udev get put on my system because i took the other ide controller out |
| 02:51.27 | Wyzard | bofh80: probably, yeah |
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| 02:52.22 | bofh80 | f**k now i'm definitly going outside for a joint. balls. 4am. meant to be leaving at 10. all i need is an ipcop cd burnt *sob* is there NOTHING else that writes CD's? |
| 02:52.37 | Wyzard | bofh80: You could try cdrdao |
| 02:52.54 | bofh80 | Wyzard, i thought from i'd read it didn't handle ISO ? |
| 02:52.59 | Wyzard | sure it does |
| 02:53.15 | Wyzard | You have to write a toc-file, but that's easy |
| 02:53.16 | Wyzard | three lines |
| 02:53.48 | bofh80 | i type cdrdao unlock. and it hangs |
| 02:53.50 | bofh80 | :( |
| 02:54.01 | bofh80 | i reboot :( :( :( |
| 02:54.06 | Wyzard | do that |
| 02:54.10 | bofh80 | does it matter what's in my fstab? |
| 02:54.14 | Wyzard | no |
| 02:54.31 | Wyzard | For mounting, but not for burning |
| 02:54.36 | bofh80 | good. cos the installer didn't add a line for it for some reason. got 2 cdroms, master / slave... |
| 02:54.47 | Wyzard | That's fine |
| 02:54.48 | yos | my source.list dont work well :(( http://pastebin.ca/176999 |
| 02:54.52 | bofh80 | cool |
| 02:55.04 | Wyzard | You might be interested in pmount, btw... it lets regular users mount removable media without needing lines in fstab |
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| 02:55.31 | abrotman | shouldn't mix |
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| 02:56.11 | yos | any body know a good mirors to ad to my source.list?? |
| 02:56.20 | Wyzard | yos: Have you set testing as your default release in apt.conf? |
| 02:56.48 | yos | DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs {"/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true";}; |
| 02:56.56 | abrotman | Wyzard: he's using unofficial php5 packages .. not from dotdeb .. not from bpo .. they don't work very well |
| 02:57.14 | Wyzard | yos: then no... which means you're running unstable, and there's no point having testing sources |
| 02:57.15 | yos | i reinstall the BOX abrotman |
| 02:57.24 | yos | so now i have no update |
| 02:57.30 | Wyzard | Isn't php5 packaged officially in unstable? |
| 02:57.36 | Wyzard | no need for unofficial sources for it |
| 02:58.06 | yos | givme the mirror`s link to add to my source.list for mysql5 and php5 |
| 02:58.12 | abrotman | you didn't reinstall the box if you have testing and unstable sources |
| 02:58.12 | yos | then i am happy |
| 02:58.20 | Wyzard | yos: You don't need to add additional sources |
| 02:58.22 | abrotman | yos: paste cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:58.33 | yos | http://pastebin.ca/176999 |
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| 02:58.53 | abrotman | that's NOT what i asked for |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | paste the file /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:59.05 | yos | is my source list |
| 02:59.09 | Wyzard | Nonetheless, it's clear he has official testing and unstable sources |
| 02:59.14 | yos | is the same as you say ... http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port |
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| 02:59.18 | abrotman | no .. it's not |
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| 02:59.30 | yos | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing \ main contrib non-free |
| 02:59.30 | yos | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable \ main contrib non-free |
| 02:59.38 | abrotman | which installer did that ? |
| 02:59.50 | xaque | do firmware drivers go in /lib/firmware or /usr/local/lib/firmware ?? |
| 02:59.54 | abrotman | which installer gave you testing and unstable .. AND fucked up the source line |
| 02:59.57 | Wyzard | and he doesn't have apt pinned to testing, so he's running unstable |
| 02:59.57 | Zarephath | Anyone advise me which of the US cd retailers offer the purchased cd/dvds for download after purchase? |
| 03:00.08 | abrotman | Wyzard: the source line isn't even correct |
| 03:00.22 | yos | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port 6.4.10 Port a package to the stable system |
| 03:00.26 | Wyzard | yos: You don't need any additional sources -- php5 and mysql5 sources are both packaged officially and available from the sources you already have |
| 03:00.35 | jcreigh | Zarephath: I don't know of any such service. |
| 03:00.44 | abrotman | yos: paste /etc/apt/sources.list .. THE WHOLE THING |
| 03:00.46 | Bhavesh | ok |
| 03:00.47 | Bhavesh | back |
| 03:00.51 | Wyzard | yos: You're not running stable so that's irrelevant |
| 03:00.55 | Bhavesh | stable is installed and nvidia is installed |
| 03:01.05 | yos | km22903-17:/etc/apt# uname -a |
| 03:01.05 | yos | Linux km22903-17.keymachine.de 2.6.9-022stab078.14-smp #1 SMP Wed Jul 19 14:26:20 MSD 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:01.05 | yos | km22903-17:/etc/apt# |
| 03:01.13 | abrotman | not a debian kernel |
| 03:01.17 | abrotman | yos: paste /etc/apt/sources.list .. THE WHOLE THING |
| 03:01.20 | abrotman | !paster |
| 03:01.20 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 03:01.20 | yos | km22903-17:/etc/apt# cat sources.list |
| 03:01.21 | yos | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing \ main contrib non-free |
| 03:01.21 | yos | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable \ main contrib non-free |
| 03:01.21 | yos | km22903-17:/etc/apt# |
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| 03:01.31 | chiouyov | mount: wrong fs, bad option, bad superblock or too many file systems. how to know which is the exact cause, besides the option? |
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| 03:01.47 | Bhavesh | now correct me if i am wrong but there is NO xorg in stable right? |
| 03:01.51 | abrotman | yos: you're not running a debian system .. that's not a debian kernel |
| 03:01.57 | Wyzard | yos: Use the pastebin like you did with your "apt-get update" output |
| 03:02.11 | Zarephath | jcreigh: Really you have to wait for all of them to mail them to you? |
| 03:02.13 | Wyzard | Bhavesh: correct |
| 03:02.20 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's not debian .. |
| 03:02.24 | Bhavesh | Wyzard: good.. i am about to install xserver-xfree86 then |
| 03:02.35 | Wyzard | I know, but I'm curious what it *is* |
| 03:02.39 | abrotman | damned if i know which installer uses a 2.6.9 |
| 03:02.39 | Wyzard | since it's using Debian sources |
| 03:02.57 | Fyre_ | When im trying to enable ip fowarding but i keep getting this error, /home# echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_foward |
| 03:02.57 | Fyre_ | bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_foward: No such file or directory |
| 03:02.59 | yos | i use Debian-8.sarge.4 |
| 03:03.11 | Wyzard | yos: Where did you download it from? |
| 03:03.14 | xaque | do firmware drivers go in /lib/firmware or /usr/local/lib/firmware ?? |
| 03:03.18 | Wyzard | yos: Whatever it is, it's not an official Debian release |
| 03:03.25 | abrotman | xaque: probably /lib/firmware/ |
| 03:03.33 | abrotman | !d-i yos |
| 03:03.33 | dpkg | yos, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 03:03.40 | xaque | abrotman: thank you |
| 03:03.43 | yos | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3789 |
| 03:04.04 | Bhavesh | !d-i |
| 03:04.04 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 03:04.06 | abrotman | Wyzard: yeah .. which installer did that :) |
| 03:04.08 | Bhavesh | wow |
| 03:04.18 | Wyzard | yos: You're using some unofficial Debian variant |
| 03:04.35 | abrotman | and therefore .. not supported here \o/ |
| 03:04.46 | Bhavesh | i am using that new version of installer.. it's awesome |
| 03:04.58 | yos | any How |
| 03:05.00 | Bhavesh | it gives you control if you like .. or it can do just about everything automatically |
| 03:05.01 | abrotman | with 2.6.9 ? |
| 03:05.17 | Wyzard | dunno; I don't keep track of Knoppix versions and the kernels they use |
| 03:05.20 | abrotman | yos: we cannot help you further .. please install debian |
| 03:05.26 | yos | what is my cheances to have install corectly mysql 5 and php5 - cgi ?? |
| 03:05.43 | Wyzard | yos: You have sources for Debian unstable and php5 and mysql5 are available from those sources |
| 03:05.44 | abrotman | yos: you're not using debian .. if you want help from us .. install debian |
| 03:05.47 | Bhavesh | ok thanks guys for your help..i did learn animportant lesson |
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| 03:06.02 | yos | Wyzard givme LINK source |
| 03:06.06 | Wyzard | yos: Feel free to try to install them, but if they don't work right, you're on your own unless you install an actual Debian release |
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| 03:06.09 | Bhavesh | don't mess with a working system, and don't try to fix something that is NOT broken |
| 03:06.12 | Wyzard | yos: Link to what? |
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| 03:06.31 | abrotman | it's gotta be a troll |
| 03:06.33 | yos | to add in my sourcelist |
| 03:06.34 | Wyzard | yos: YOU DO NOT NEED ANY MORE SOURCES |
| 03:06.40 | abrotman | Wyzard: try a /whios |
| 03:06.42 | abrotman | bah |
| 03:07.06 | Fyre | Im having a problem with ip fowarding, can anybody help me out? |
| 03:07.31 | yos | E: Couldn't find package php5-cgi |
| 03:07.47 | abrotman | YOU'RE NOT USING DEBIAN |
| 03:07.51 | Wyzard | yos: Then either you need to do "apt-get update", or your apt is broken |
| 03:07.52 | chiouyov | if i burn a cd with those .iso binaries, how can the cd be accessed by my debian system? |
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| 03:07.55 | bofh80 | Wyzard, what do i need to put in this toc file then for my ISO assuming it's standard?! i've been lookin on net, not finding a lot . . . |
| 03:07.58 | Wyzard | yos: Either way you're on your own |
| 03:08.10 | Wyzard | bofh80: Three lines: |
| 03:08.13 | Wyzard | CD_ROM |
| 03:08.16 | Wyzard | TRACK MODE1 |
| 03:08.19 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's going to continue for hours ... |
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| 03:08.23 | Wyzard | DATAFILE "whatever.iso" |
| 03:08.33 | Wyzard | bofh80: Then feed that file to cdrdao |
| 03:08.51 | Bhavesh | how do you keep a blonde busy for hours? ( IT's JUST A JOKE) |
| 03:08.51 | Wyzard | bofh80: (btw, "man cdrdao" has full documentation for the toc-file format) |
| 03:09.24 | bofh80 | Wyzard, cool. cheers |
| 03:09.45 | Bhavesh | give her a paper with 'turn it over' |
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| 03:10.13 | SerajewelKS | do any versions of mysql support relationships? |
| 03:10.28 | Wyzard | As in foreign keys? |
| 03:10.38 | Wyzard | I think 5 does, though I don't use it myself so I'm not sure |
| 03:10.47 | SerajewelKS | as in the OOo relationship designer |
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| 03:10.58 | Wyzard | IIRC, 4 supported declaring them but didn't actually enforce "on delete" |
| 03:11.12 | chiouyov | heh, how do i use a cd burned with debian .iso binariues? |
| 03:11.33 | SerajewelKS | it's suuported "foreign keys" since 3.something |
| 03:11.41 | Wyzard | chiouyov: If you mean install packages from a Debian release CD, man apt-file |
| 03:11.42 | Wyzard | oops |
| 03:11.45 | Wyzard | apt-cdrom, that is |
| 03:12.41 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: but not fully... I don't remember the details (I'm a PG user) but it didn't fully enforce them or something like that, and I'm pretty sure I remember reading that "on delete" wasn't honored at all |
| 03:13.09 | xaque | is there a way to find out where the kernel is looking for the firmware that I have compiled into the kernel |
| 03:13.12 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Consider using PostgreSQL instead, btw, if you have the option |
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| 03:13.31 | Wyzard | xaque: I think it prints messages to syslog when it attempts to load firmware |
| 03:13.56 | chiouyov | Wyzard, NO ENTRY FOR APT-FILE |
| 03:13.59 | Wyzard | xaque: (I know I've seen it do that, but I don't know whether the messages were coming from the particular driver I was using, or from the firmware loader itself) |
| 03:14.15 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Yeah, that was a brain fart... I corrected myself: apt-cdrom |
| 03:14.24 | bofh80 | Wyzard, IT'S ALIVE - WOHOOO :) NICEONE :) |
| 03:14.28 | xaque | Wyzard: I guess I could check the logs before asking =] |
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| 03:14.40 | Wyzard | bofh80: Using ide-scsi? |
| 03:15.09 | Wyzard | bofh80: well, it's still strange that it doesn't work with ide-cd... what kernel are you using? |
| 03:15.16 | bofh80 | Wyzard, no just with cdrdao and TOC file. cdrecord must be foobar |
| 03:15.29 | Wyzard | oh... gah, I'm stupid, I knew that |
| 03:15.30 | chiouyov | Wyzard, yeh, apt-cerom, ican recall mow, thksw. |
| 03:15.39 | Wyzard | blame it on going to bed at 4am last night :-) |
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| 03:15.45 | bofh80 | hah |
| 03:15.52 | bofh80 | it's 4.12am now :( |
| 03:15.53 | chiouyov | damn, going blind. |
| 03:15.59 | Wyzard | (and blame *that* on Morrowind...) |
| 03:15.59 | ahlfors | Anyone know when python 2.4 will be the default in debian unstable? |
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| 03:16.56 | bofh80 | whoot, and it didn't produce a coaster either. |
| 03:17.10 | bofh80 | why do all these frontends use cdrecord rather than cdrdao? :) |
| 03:17.27 | xaque | Wyzard: it gave me a message, but nothing usefull. Is there a way to tell the kernel to look for the driver a second time or soemthing? |
| 03:17.30 | bofh80 | now i have to squeese past the fatigue to install IPcop lovely. |
| 03:17.33 | xaque | without rebooting that it |
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| 03:17.52 | Wyzard | because cdrdao is a little more complicated, and because it can *only* burn in disc-at-once mode, which the user might not always want |
| 03:18.11 | Wyzard | xaque: Just (attempt to) modprobe the module again |
| 03:18.34 | xaque | Wyzard: well, it isn't a module. I am thinking about recompiling the kernel to make it one |
| 03:18.42 | Wyzard | oh |
| 03:19.05 | Wyzard | It's generally a good idea to compile things as modules unless they really need to be built-in |
| 03:19.14 | Wyzard | and these days, not many things really need to be built-in |
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| 03:19.17 | chiouyov | Wyzard, Scanning disk for index files.. Found opackae idexes and 0 source indexes. |
| 03:19.31 | chiouyov | found 0 packages |
| 03:19.32 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Are you sure it's a Debian release CD? |
| 03:19.51 | Wyzard | chiouyov: What sort of files do you see on it? |
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| 03:20.06 | chiouyov | Wyzard, i download the binaries from a debian repo. |
| 03:20.17 | Wyzard | chiouyov: The iso, you mean? |
| 03:20.19 | xaque | Wyzard: this was the first time compiling the wireless in, but in the past I usually do the nic in the kernel |
| 03:20.21 | Wyzard | chiouyov: And how did you burn it? |
| 03:20.28 | xaque | now I see its weakness |
| 03:21.00 | ahlfors | So why would anyone want to use cdrdao over cdrecord? |
| 03:21.02 | chiouyov | as a datqa cd |
| 03:21.07 | chiouyov | data cd |
| 03:21.36 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Mount it and take a look... does it contain a directory called "dists" ? |
| 03:21.43 | chiouyov | yes, it was .iso on the disk and i burned it to the cd |
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| 03:23.06 | Wyzard | so the CD does have a directory called "dists"? |
| 03:23.11 | Wyzard | Or do you see the .iso file on the CD? |
| 03:23.14 | chiouyov | Wyzard, there is single .iso file. |
| 03:23.19 | Wyzard | You burned it wrong |
| 03:23.44 | chiouyov | debian-testing-i386-binary-2.iso |
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| 03:24.11 | chiouyov | Wyzard, how should i have burned it? |
| 03:24.12 | Wyzard | An iso file is the complete contents of a CD... you burn it as the CD itself, not as a file on a CD |
| 03:24.27 | Wyzard | CD-burning apps usually have a "burn from iso" feature somewhere |
| 03:24.31 | yos | where i finde doc`s for mysql5 install on debian ? |
| 03:24.46 | Wyzard | yos: apt-get install mysql-server |
| 03:24.56 | yos | in this cheannel nobody can get help i see ...no Guru |
| 03:25.01 | yos | i have mysql4 |
| 03:25.06 | yos | i need mysql5 |
| 03:25.14 | yos | so i must install manualy |
| 03:25.33 | Wyzard | yos: The problem is with whatever unofficial not-quite-Debian you're using |
| 03:25.38 | chiouyov | how to Wyzard i was using the SONIC software. |
| 03:25.51 | Wyzard | yos: On a system running actual Debian unstable, "apt-get install mysql-server" will install mysql5 |
| 03:26.02 | Wyzard | chiouyov: I've never heard of that, sorry |
| 03:26.03 | yos | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l |
| 03:26.06 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Look around on the menus |
| 03:26.10 | yos | is Debian 3.1 |
| 03:26.29 | Wyzard | yos: No, it's something unofficial that's based on Debian 3.1, with modifications and a non-standard installer |
| 03:26.47 | yos | aha |
| 03:26.49 | Wyzard | yos: If you want further help here, go to www.debian.org, download an actual Debian release, and install that |
| 03:26.57 | yos | i kick my Data center AS:) |
| 03:27.02 | Wyzard | yos: We can't help you with whatever unknown nonstandard thing you have installed |
| 03:27.18 | ahlfors | how do you know his dist in nonstandard? |
| 03:27.23 | ahlfors | in -> is |
| 03:27.31 | yos | i cant install other debian ...is not my BOX ...is a Provider box 'DATA CENTER" |
| 03:27.47 | Wyzard | yos: Then yell at your provider and tell them where to download real Debian from |
| 03:28.05 | Wyzard | ahlfors: from his kernel version, and his sources.list which isn't one of the ones generated by D-I |
| 03:28.07 | yos | they put some links theer |
| 03:28.26 | Wyzard | ahlfors: And he said he's running "Debian-8.sarge.5" or something like that |
| 03:28.29 | yos | deb http://ftp.freenet.de/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 03:28.36 | yos | deb http://ftp.freenet.de/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 03:28.48 | yos | i cheange in testing :) |
| 03:28.56 | yos | deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 03:29.00 | odla | xorg 7.1 is in sid now? |
| 03:29.03 | Wyzard | yos: Installing more unofficial software on your unofficial operating system doesn't seem like a good idea to me |
| 03:29.10 | Wyzard | yos: You can do it if you want, but it's offtopic here |
| 03:29.21 | yos | ok |
| 03:29.24 | Wyzard | yos: Stop asking about your non-Debian system here |
| 03:29.28 | yos | i go try to sleep a bit |
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| 03:29.40 | Wyzard | odla: I noticed it in incoming a few hours ago |
| 03:29.42 | yos | it is DEBIAN |
| 03:29.57 | odla | Wyzard, scary |
| 03:29.57 | yos | you dont whant to help or you dont know to :(( |
| 03:29.58 | Wyzard | odla: I'm looking forward to trying AIGLX on my (i810) laptop |
| 03:30.01 | stainlessmice | da-bian? |
| 03:30.09 | chiouyov | Wyzard, which burner do u use? |
| 03:30.10 | Wyzard | yos: No, it is not |
| 03:30.15 | odla | Wyzard, cool...i have an i810 too |
| 03:30.20 | ahlfors | I think I have an unofficial line in my sources.list; does that mean I should leave too? |
| 03:30.27 | odla | Wyzard, what exactly does aiglx do without compiz? |
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| 03:31.25 | Wyzard | odla: You need a compositing manager for the 3D stuff, but it doesn't have to be Compiz specifically |
| 03:31.45 | Wyzard | odla: GNOME 2.16's version of Metacity has some compositing features, and that's available in experimental already |
| 03:32.05 | icyfire0573 | Was 2.16 just released? |
| 03:32.07 | odla | intersting |
| 03:32.10 | odla | icyfire0573, yeah |
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| 03:32.22 | Wyzard | odla: though it currently can't be installed due to libgtk2.10-0 conflicting with libwmf0.2-7 which needs updating... hopefully that'll be resolved soon |
| 03:33.36 | Wyzard | ahlfors: There's nothing wrong with using unofficial sources for packages that aren't available officially; many of us use the debian-multimedia.org sources for things like mplayer, for example |
| 03:33.43 | icyfire0573 | THere are multiple different 3d "managers" at this point right? like Aiglx and someone redid X or something? |
| 03:33.52 | odla | Wyzard, how was the 7.0 to 7.1 migration? |
| 03:34.03 | Wyzard | ahlfors: but when your entire OS was installed from some third-party unofficial installer, so the state of your whole system is unknown, then you shouldn't be asking about it here |
| 03:34.19 | Wyzard | odla: I haven't installed 7.1 yet... last I checked, it was only in incoming, not actually available for apt'ing yet |
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| 03:35.02 | jetscreamer | ah... 7.1 |
| 03:35.12 | Wyzard | icyfire0573: XGL is a new X server that works by opening a full-screen OpenGL window on the regular X server... it works on any system that supports OpenGL, but has some app-compatibility problems |
| 03:35.13 | ahlfors | Wyzard: okay, fair enough. I was hoping this chan didn't dismiss all non-purists out of hand |
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| 03:35.45 | Wyzard | icyfire0573: AIGLX is an extension of the regular X server, so it shouldn't have app-compatibility problems, but it needs special support in the video drivers which nVidia and ATI currently lack (but will presumably be adding soon) |
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| 03:36.26 | Jones_ | How can I make my paint brush circle bigger in gimp? |
| 03:36.29 | Jones_ | It's really small. |
| 03:36.36 | icyfire0573 | Wyzard, alright. Sounds good. You think Nvidia or ATI will ever opensource their latest drivers? (or at least the specs for the chipsets?) |
| 03:36.49 | Wyzard | icyfire0573: unlikely, at least in the foreseeable future |
| 03:37.00 | icyfire0573 | yea, that bites :-/ |
| 03:37.25 | ahlfors | no way nvidia/ati will open-source their drivers; ati recently commented to this effect |
| 03:38.01 | icyfire0573 | It'd save them so much trouble support wise, but there is always the possible patent issues and whatever else (trade secrets) that they have to worry about, or some suit doesn't see the VALUE in doing it. |
| 03:38.03 | Wyzard | but I have a laptop with an i915, whose driver is open-source and part of XOrg itself |
| 03:38.16 | Wyzard | so it'll support AIGLX in 7.1, and I'm looking forward to trying it out |
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| 03:38.55 | dn4 | Anyone know how my computer can pick up my Olympus Digital camera with debian>??? |
| 03:39.06 | dn4 | plugs in through usb |
| 03:39.25 | mfrisch | mount it |
| 03:39.55 | Wyzard | Some digital cameras aren't mountable... they use PTP (Picture Transfer Protocol) instead |
| 03:40.14 | mfrisch | ol do not mount it |
| 03:40.22 | ahlfors | dn4, you might look into gphoto2 |
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| 03:40.31 | Wyzard | dn4: Try gthumb, or gphoto2 as ahlfors |
| 03:40.34 | dn4 | hmm when I plug it in nothing shows up under usbview |
| 03:40.54 | tenzing_ | hi ... in what package do we get the mp3encode application? |
| 03:40.55 | Wyzard | dn4: I have a PTP camera (Canon SD200) and it works fine with gthumb in unstable, but I don't know about sarge |
| 03:41.21 | mfrisch | how do I mount a iso using loop |
| 03:41.24 | icyfire0573 | unplug it. type dmesg and then plug it and and type dmesg again. See if it notices it being plugged in. Further see if there is an option to make the camera look like a disk so it can be mounted. |
| 03:41.30 | dn4 | Wyzard, how do I get the device to show up though |
| 03:41.32 | Wyzard | tenzing_: lame is the most common one, but it's not packaged officially... http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 03:41.42 | Wyzard | dn4: If it's a PTP camera then it won't have a device file in /dev |
| 03:41.51 | Wyzard | dn4: (but I have no idea whether your camera uses PTP or not) |
| 03:42.07 | icyfire0573 | USBview uses proc i believe. But dmesg should give some useful information (I think) |
| 03:42.44 | tenzing_ | Wyzard: thanks |
| 03:42.50 | yos | ii php5 5.1.6-1 |
| 03:42.56 | yos | is ok |
| 03:42.57 | Wyzard | mfrisch: mount foo.iso /some/where -o loop |
| 03:42.59 | yos | i find |
| 03:43.13 | mfrisch | Wyzard: THANKS |
| 03:43.31 | Wyzard | yos: Please stop asking offtopic questions about your nonstandard installation |
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| 03:44.06 | odla | how can i rip cds in mp3 format with soundjuicer? |
| 03:44.06 | Wyzard | yos: Your system was not installed from a Debian release CD and we have no idea how it's configured or what differences it might have from official Debian |
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| 03:44.20 | Wyzard | yos: Therefore it's not supported here, even though you have Debian stuff in your sources.list |
| 03:44.42 | dn4 | I have an Olympus D-560Z |
| 03:44.50 | odla | what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
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| 03:45.27 | poopybutt | anybody have experience configuring dual monitors in ati? |
| 03:45.59 | dondelelcaro | poopybutt: best to just ask your question |
| 03:46.14 | poopybutt | dondelelcaro: that is my question, im stuck |
| 03:46.23 | poopybutt | at the beginning |
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| 03:46.32 | jetscreamer | now it's my dog! |
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| 03:46.37 | jetscreamer | last night it was my cat |
| 03:46.43 | jetscreamer | now my dog's here on the net |
| 03:46.47 | Rusty1 | Wyzard: has he (yos) tried apt-get -t testing/unstable install ....? |
| 03:47.02 | dondelelcaro | poopybutt: first get one of the cards working; which video card are you using? You're using the drivers in X, right? (not the proprietary ati ones) |
| 03:47.14 | poopybutt | fglrx |
| 03:47.43 | Wyzard | Rusty1: dunno, but although he has both testing and unstable sources, apt was seeing mysql4 rather than mysql5 even though he didn't have it pinned to testing in apt.conf |
| 03:48.08 | odla | would i need to install gstreamer0.10-lame? |
| 03:48.20 | Wyzard | Rusty1: He's running kernel 2.6.9 and said something about it being "Debian 8.sarge.5" or something to that effect |
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| 03:48.56 | Rusty1 | Wyzard: my 2 cents |
| 03:49.26 | dondelelcaro | poopybutt: that's the binary driver; you'll be better off getting it to work (at least for starters) with the open source drivers. Which chipset is this card? |
| 03:50.07 | poopybutt | i dont know, its an radeon 9600 |
| 03:50.16 | poopybutt | my drivers are working fine |
| 03:50.24 | Wyzard | odla: no, not unless you had some GStreamer-based tool for MP3 encoding |
| 03:50.32 | Wyzard | odla: The command-line "lame" program should be all you need |
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| 03:50.53 | poopybutt | dondelelcaro: its single card, dual ports. what i would like to have is this. one regular monitor as my primary. one tv monitor as my secondary set to the left of my primary and its resolution set to 800x600. i know there is the aticonfig command but there is no help page and they list vague examples |
| 03:51.18 | dondelelcaro | ugh |
| 03:51.32 | dondelelcaro | TV monitors are useless as secondary monitors |
| 03:52.27 | poopybutt | dondelelcaro: they are good for watching dvds |
| 03:52.32 | dondelelcaro | in any event, the way to do it is to add two device, screen, and monitor sections to your xorg.conf, then add a layout section which defines how the screens are pieced together |
| 03:52.57 | dondelelcaro | you won't be able to use xinerama, so make sure that it's disabled. |
| 03:53.12 | dondelelcaro | s/layout/ServerLayout/ |
| 03:53.14 | poopybutt | what is xinerama |
| 03:53.19 | dondelelcaro | !+xinerama |
| 03:53.19 | dpkg | it has been said that xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
| 03:53.50 | karsten | dondelelcaro: So in this case there will be two seperate X displays on the two seperate monitors? |
| 03:54.02 | dondelelcaro | karsten: one server, two displays, two monitors. |
| 03:54.16 | dondelelcaro | the mouse can move between them, but windows cannot. |
| 03:54.22 | ahlfors | You do *not* want to use xinerama with a monitor and a TV! |
| 03:54.23 | karsten | dondelelcaro: :0 and :1, or :0.0 and :0.1 ? |
| 03:54.28 | dondelelcaro | (you distinguish between the two using DISPLAY) |
| 03:54.33 | Wyzard | the latter |
| 03:54.34 | dondelelcaro | karsten: 0.0 and 0.1 iirc. |
| 03:54.36 | PDani__ | is there a good howto for debian about xgl/aiglx topic? |
| 03:54.40 | karsten | dondelelcaro: kthx |
| 03:54.43 | karsten | !aiglx |
| 03:54.44 | dpkg | somebody said aiglx was an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
| 03:55.14 | Wyzard | PDani_: I don't think XGL is packaged, but if you're running unstable, XOrg 7.1 (which has AIGLX) looks like it's going to be available tomorrow |
| 03:55.25 | Wyzard | or maybe the day after, but at any rate soon |
| 03:55.55 | Wyzard | The packages are on http://incoming.debian.org/ -- you could download them straight from there if you're impatient |
| 03:55.57 | PDani | i have testing... |
| 03:56.00 | dondelelcaro | IIUC, gravity has uploaded it |
| 03:56.20 | Wyzard | You'll have to wait a little while for it to reach testing |
| 03:56.32 | Wyzard | and the current ATI and nVidia drivers don't support AIGLX yet anyway |
| 03:56.47 | Wyzard | but it's in the pipeline |
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| 03:58.51 | PDani | hm. and maybe a howto about install aiglx/xgl (i have i810, so i think aiglx) from source, or from rpm binary with alien, or from ubuntu package? |
| 03:59.10 | Wyzard | PDani: no need to install it from source if you have XOrg 7.1 |
| 03:59.11 | Wyzard | Just be patient |
| 03:59.41 | Wyzard | You also need a compositing manager, and Compiz isn't packaged |
| 04:00.02 | Wyzard | GNOME 2.16's Metacity does compositing, but that's not even in unstable yet, though it's in experimental |
| 04:00.07 | ahlfors | PDani, are you just curious about the eye candy? |
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| 04:00.50 | Wyzard | Give it some time and you'll have it all naturally and cleanly through the official Debian channels... following some howto at this point would just have you cluttering up your system with non-packaged stuff, compiling things from source, etc. |
| 04:00.51 | Wyzard | not worth it |
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| 04:03.44 | PDani | no, i have already tried it (some months ago, it was very SIDish), my boss said that it was essential for him to get these eye-candies... |
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| 04:03.57 | Wyzard | umm |
| 04:04.07 | Wyzard | AIGLX is essential to your business? |
| 04:04.13 | PDani | no |
| 04:04.55 | Wyzard | Tell your boss that what he saw was a tech preview that's not ready for production use yet |
| 04:05.23 | karsten | PDani: ... or install the GL xscreensaver hacks and let him pleasure himself to that. |
| 04:05.30 | ahlfors | And if he makes a compelling case that AIGLX is essential to your business, I'd like to hear it |
| 04:05.31 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 04:05.32 | PDani | :)) |
| 04:05.38 | Wyzard | Helios from rss-glx is pretty cool indeed |
| 04:06.31 | PDani | ahlfors: of course it's no essential for the buisness... it's essential for his fuckin' craziness :) |
| 04:06.52 | Wyzard | That's why you tell him it's not ready for production use |
| 04:06.52 | astronaute | its possible to change partitions size without loosing data on debian please ? |
| 04:07.00 | ahlfors | PDani, apt-get another job? |
| 04:07.09 | Wyzard | Until it's available as packages in the branch of Debian that you use, that's a true statement |
| 04:07.23 | karsten | ahlfors: ... speaking of which... |
| 04:07.27 | Wyzard | astronaute: I think GNU parted can do that |
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| 04:07.40 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 04:07.43 | astronaute | is there a package to apt get ? |
| 04:07.44 | Wyzard | astronaute: It's also possible to do it manually with resizing tools and fdisk, but that's risky |
| 04:07.46 | PDani | Wyzard: in this case, i think there is no real meaning of the word "production"... what could you product with xgl? :) |
| 04:07.51 | karsten | What's a better name? krebui or krbs? |
| 04:07.54 | PDani | ahlfors: LOL |
| 04:08.00 | astronaute | Wyzard its production server i need the safe way =) |
| 04:08.03 | x|e | PDani, if you need help with Xgl i can help you.. ive installed it on my box |
| 04:08.14 | Wyzard | PDani: "production" meaning use in a work environment, even if it's not actually directly being used for work |
| 04:08.47 | Rusty1 | PDani: if you get paid by the hour, install kororaa (oops) |
| 04:08.48 | drbean | How do I open 515, the port for non-ipp network printing? |
| 04:08.52 | pourriture | hi ... i am drunk and I would troll ... but I can't think of a subject ... so if anyone could get me started off I would appreciate it ;) |
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| 04:09.04 | Wyzard | astronaute: apt-get install parted |
| 04:09.16 | karsten | pourriture: Pamela Anderson kicks Britny Spears' ass. |
| 04:09.33 | astronaute | yes i saw already Wyzard im reading doc on their site, thx a lot |
| 04:09.42 | Wyzard | astronaute: though you'll need to unmount all partitions on the disk you're working on, so if it's the root filesystem, you'll need to use a livecd or put the disk into another machine or something |
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| 04:09.50 | karsten | drbean: Run the service associated with it. Or adjust your firewall rules. Depending on what your question really is. |
| 04:09.55 | PDani | x|e: from deb? |
| 04:10.03 | astronaute | Wyzard its not root, its /usr /home and /var only |
| 04:10.07 | ahlfors | astronaute, don't assume this will work flawlessly, and realize your data is at risk |
| 04:10.08 | chiouyov | Wyzard, back to the q on burning .iso cd, the burner i use have options 'create data cd' or 'iso image'. how to burn the n.iso as files? |
| 04:10.10 | ruser | hi i'm not able to use my cdrw and dvd-rom, i get these errors in syslog at boot: http://rafb.net/paste/results/DQ5j8S48.html would anyone know what the problem might be? |
| 04:10.15 | Wyzard | astronaute: Are they on a separate hard drive from the root filesystem? |
| 04:10.21 | astronaute | nope |
| 04:10.23 | astronaute | same disk |
| 04:10.26 | pourriture | karsten: who is britney spears?? |
| 04:10.26 | x|e | PDani, no, from source. |
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| 04:10.47 | karsten | pourriture: You win. |
| 04:10.54 | anonobomber | I've got a broken package in my system that has a post removal script that fails to run, I don't care if it leaves a couple files on my system because I can remove them manually but how would I force its removal with dpkg? I tried dpkg --purge --force-all but that still returned a post-removal script error |
| 04:10.55 | pourriture | karsten: see I am good at this |
| 04:10.57 | drbean | I am having problems with cups, I want to give up on 631, which is open and try lpd on 515. |
| 04:10.58 | Wyzard | astronaute: Then you probably need to do that anyway -- I don't think it's a good idea to resize partitions on a disk while other partitions are still mounted on it |
| 04:11.10 | chiouyov | pourriture, a kind of spear |
| 04:11.13 | anonobomber | how would I go about removing that package from the package database on the system? |
| 04:11.26 | drbean | But 515 is closed, presumably by iptables. |
| 04:11.29 | chiouyov | deadly kind |
| 04:11.37 | Wyzard | astronaute: The kernel can't re-read the modified partition table if any of the partitions are in use, so at the very least you'll have to reboot after the resizing is finished, but for safety I'd recommend not having anything mounted on that disk in the first place |
| 04:11.41 | karsten | anonobomber: edit /var/lib/dpkg/status and remove the package's entry. Manually delete any associated files. |
| 04:11.42 | drbean | And I can't see where iptables is being run. |
| 04:11.47 | astronaute | Wyzard i understand but i really have to, i have 60Gb extra space on /usr and /home and i need it in /var :/// |
| 04:11.55 | anonobomber | karsten: ok thank you :) |
| 04:12.04 | karsten | anonobomber: You can also frequently add 'true; exit 0' to the top of the postrm script |
| 04:12.11 | Wyzard | drbean: Debian doesn't install a firewall by default, so if you have something setting iptables rules, it must be from something you installed |
| 04:12.19 | karsten | anonobomber: ... where the 'true' is strictly redundant. |
| 04:12.29 | anonobomber | karsten: ah I hadn't thought of that |
| 04:12.36 | ahlfors | astronaute, can you back up your data, repart, restore? |
| 04:12.43 | karsten | chiouyov: So Britney Spear is related to Shake Spear? |
| 04:12.57 | no_workie | i'm having problems mounting a partition (sda4) as r/w. I've tried numerous options and it will mount, just not as user r/w |
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| 04:13.03 | Wyzard | astronaute: You have to shut the system down anyway to do the resizing, since you must umount /usr, so you might as well just use a livecd and have the whole hard drive unmounted |
| 04:13.13 | anonobomber | karsten: thanks your first suggestion worked quite nicely :) |
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| 04:13.24 | karsten | anonobomber: ;-) |
| 04:13.29 | astronaute | Wyzard : i have only shell access, its a dedicated sv |
| 04:13.38 | Wyzard | astronaute: and of course, if it's a production server, make sure you have backups |
| 04:13.46 | drbean | What kind of app would be setting up firewall rules? |
| 04:13.57 | karsten | drbean: A firewall rule-setting-up app. |
| 04:13.58 | Jones_ | drbean: iptables |
| 04:14.01 | ahlfors | astronaute, also realize that partitions must be contiguous on disk. If you have a whole mess of partitions, you can only resize one to engulf the next. |
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| 04:14.11 | Wyzard | astronaute: That's very risky, then -- if something goes wrong and the system fails to boot back up, you'll have a hard time recovering from that |
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| 04:14.28 | drbean | Yes, but who would be running iptables? |
| 04:14.28 | Wyzard | ahlfors: parted can shift them around, I believe |
| 04:14.35 | junix-other | is anyone using asterisk on debian sarge? |
| 04:14.54 | anonobomber | drbean: iptables is the default firewall on 2.4 and 2.6 kernels |
| 04:14.55 | ahlfors | ok, my experience is based on fdisk only |
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| 04:15.00 | karsten | astronaute: Modifying live partition tables without backups is a little like pruning your christmas tree using gasoline and a match, while it's in your living room. |
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| 04:15.03 | astronaute | Wyzard : yep very risky indeed :/ |
| 04:15.05 | karsten | junix-other: No. |
| 04:15.10 | karsten | !tell junix-other about polls |
| 04:15.26 | junix-other | olk let me re-phrase |
| 04:15.32 | astronaute | karsten : i have backup but over 40Gb to upload after that + setting the whole system |
| 04:15.43 | drbean | I am on 3.1, sarge, I think. |
| 04:15.44 | karsten | astronaute: *shrug* |
| 04:15.45 | karsten | astronaute: Your risk. |
| 04:16.07 | astronaute | karsten : im in bad situation |
| 04:16.11 | anonobomber | drbean: cat /etc/issue will tell you what release you're on |
| 04:16.13 | karsten | astronaute: Aye. |
| 04:16.17 | ahlfors | astronaute, just realize it is a big risk |
| 04:16.20 | junix-other | i am trying to setup Asterisk on Debian Sarge, I am trying to install from backports...it is telling me that I have unmet dependencies, could anyone help? |
| 04:16.39 | Wyzard | astronaute: You might be interested in LVM for future use, btw... it lets you manipulate logical volumes (much like partitions) without having to shut down |
| 04:16.49 | anonobomber | junix-other: you need to add a repository with the packages that your asterisk package requires |
| 04:16.49 | drbean | Its says Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l |
| 04:16.56 | karsten | anonobomber: If you can buy, beg, borrow, or steal the necessary storage, do. 40GB is less than $40 these days. |
| 04:17.03 | junix-other | anonobomber: i have...backports |
| 04:17.05 | anonobomber | drbean: ok then you are on sarge |
| 04:17.10 | Wyzard | astronaute: You could have started both partitions out small, and then when you find out which one you need more space on, you make that one bigger, with the server still running |
| 04:17.11 | karsten | Wyzard: Even that's not all it's cracked up to be. |
| 04:17.15 | chiouyov | karsten, careful, she will spear you. |
| 04:17.25 | Wyzard | karsten: It's not perfect, but it's pretty good |
| 04:17.27 | karsten | chiouyov: She's lacking the hardware for one. |
| 04:17.32 | anonobomber | karsten: I know I have over 2 TB here :) |
| 04:17.34 | drbean | And there is no firewall by default? |
| 04:17.37 | karsten | chiouyov: Question is the other way 'round. |
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| 04:17.56 | Wyzard | drbean: Out-of-the-box Debian has no iptables rules |
| 04:17.57 | chiouyov | karsten, :D |
| 04:18.08 | junix-other | anonobomber: but backports is telling me i have unmet asterisks deps |
| 04:18.14 | karsten | Wyzard: ... and inside the box, it's too dark to read. |
| 04:18.23 | karsten | </grouchomarx> |
| 04:18.26 | chiouyov | karsten, you know much about cd image? |
| 04:18.32 | Wyzard | drbean: Rules get defined by scripts that run (usually) at startup, and those scripts get put there either by you (manually, like writing your own) or by packages that you install |
| 04:18.33 | anonobomber | junix-other: sorry I don't know much about backports |
| 04:18.38 | junix-other | oh ok |
| 04:18.40 | karsten | chiouyov: Hypothetically, yes. |
| 04:18.47 | drbean | 23, 25, 80 are closed, but 22 and 631 are open. |
| 04:18.56 | astronaute | Wyzard : yes next time ill know how to part it, at the begining it was too much space so i did it this way :) |
| 04:19.04 | karsten | drbean: As determined from where, using what? |
| 04:19.19 | astronaute | 160 gb for web sv i put only 50gb |
| 04:19.22 | drbean | By trying to telnet to localhost on those ports. |
| 04:19.24 | astronaute | but lot of videos now |
| 04:19.26 | anonobomber | drbean: is that what 'iptables -L' shows? |
| 04:19.28 | astronaute | anyway |
| 04:19.38 | karsten | drbean: ... from where? Localhost or remote? |
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| 04:19.55 | karsten | drbean: nmap (remote) and netstat -nplv (local) are also useful. |
| 04:20.39 | drbean | There are no numbers returned by iptables -L |
| 04:20.52 | chiouyov | good enough, now, i downloaded a debian binary .iso, when i burn it to cd, i get one .iso file, and it cannot be read by my debian system. how to burn such that there are files, don't suggest using spear. |
| 04:20.55 | drbean | telnet from the machine itself to localhost. |
| 04:20.59 | anonobomber | drbean: ah then you don't have any rules set |
| 04:21.18 | anonobomber | drbean: are you using firestarter by chance? |
| 04:21.20 | Wyzard | chiouyov: It's specific to your burning app... doesn't it have documentation? |
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| 04:21.48 | drbean | I don't have firestarter. |
| 04:21.56 | chiouyov | Wyzard, no, which one do you use? |
| 04:22.25 | Wyzard | chiouyov: I use either cdrecord or cdrdao from the command line, or Nautilus's CD-burning support |
| 04:22.30 | karsten | chiouyov: What proram are you using? |
| 04:22.44 | chiouyov | SONIC |
| 04:22.58 | karsten | chiouyov: You need to select the option to burn from an image, not burn the image file onto your CD (as a file named *.iso most likely). |
| 04:23.03 | karsten | chiouyov: RTFM |
| 04:23.05 | drbean | Must be some other firewall rule-setting-up app. |
| 04:23.17 | ahlfors | cdrecord doesn't work with DVDs right? I use growisofs for that. |
| 04:23.19 | Wyzard | karsten: I told him that already, but the problem is he doesn't know how to do that in "SONIC" |
| 04:23.24 | pourriture | I am silly about this ... but I can't figure out how to burn a cd unless I use mkisofs and cdrecord ... I know it is a shortcut .. but that is just me |
| 04:23.46 | karsten | chiouyov: What OS are you using? |
| 04:23.57 | chiouyov | XP |
| 04:24.23 | karsten | chiouyov: at a pinch you could install cdrecord. There's a Cygwin port. |
| 04:24.36 | karsten | chiouyov: Or: http://www.google.com/search?q=xp+free+cd+burning+software |
| 04:25.00 | chiouyov | there is a choice "burn iso image files", must be it. |
| 04:25.01 | Wyzard | Can XP's built-in CD-burning feature do iso burns? |
| 04:25.07 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Yes, use that |
| 04:25.09 | karsten | Wyzard: No. |
| 04:25.13 | xaque | How do I install a .deb file? |
| 04:25.16 | Wyzard | karsten: How silly of them |
| 04:25.18 | karsten | xaque: man dpkg |
| 04:25.29 | karsten | Wyzard: XP's built-in tools are almost uniformly crap. |
| 04:25.55 | anonobomber | chiouyov: if you're willing to spend a few bucks Alcohol 120% is the best iso burning app around from what I've heard |
| 04:26.01 | Wyzard | karsten: Nautilus handles it quite nicely -- if the only file you put in the CD-creator window is an iso file, it asks you if you want to do an image burn |
| 04:26.11 | Wyzard | XP ought to do that :-) |
| 04:26.16 | pourriture | deb http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian-amd64/windows XP/ stable main |
| 04:26.17 | karsten | Wyzard: Dittos Mac OS X, fwiw. |
| 04:26.23 | Wyzard | Good to know |
| 04:26.42 | pourriture | lol |
| 04:26.42 | karsten | Wyzard: ... though there's a commandline tool that I'd use which I found easier. hdiutil or similar. |
| 04:26.56 | anonobomber | pourriture: lmao |
| 04:27.15 | SerajewelKS | is the nat POSTROUTING table considered for locally generated packets? |
| 04:27.16 | karsten | anonobomber: acetone really gives warped results. |
| 04:27.27 | xaque | karsten: argh! |
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| 04:29.15 | karsten | xaque: It's drivin' me nuts! |
| 04:29.16 | chiouyov | does cd access depends on kernel version? i had a cd burned in 2.6.15. i can't even mount it on a system running 2.4.7. |
| 04:29.27 | Wyzard | chiouyov: no |
| 04:29.31 | chiouyov | burned with k3b |
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| 04:29.49 | Wyzard | chiouyov: Well, you could have a driver problem with 2.4.7 that prevents you from accessing CDs at all |
| 04:29.59 | Wyzard | but the kernel on the system that burned that particular CD is irrelevant |
| 04:29.59 | karsten | chiouyov: YOu'll need iso9660 fs support loaded. |
| 04:30.08 | chiouyov | Wyzard, i can;t mount it now, compalining about bd fs, bad superblock... |
| 04:30.11 | karsten | chiouyov: Some drives don't read some disks. |
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| 04:30.43 | xaque | dood! is there not an opera build foropera |
| 04:30.48 | xaque | *opera |
| 04:31.02 | chiouyov | karsten, do i have to install a package to have iso9660 fw siupport? |
| 04:31.05 | xaque | You mean what I know |
| 04:31.17 | Wyzard | chiouyov: No, it's a kernel module... modprobe iso9660 |
| 04:31.45 | chiouyov | Wyzard, module would come from the kernel. |
| 04:32.01 | Wyzard | and that's why I said you could have a driver problem |
| 04:32.02 | karsten | chiouyov: No. 'modprobe iso9660' |
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| 04:32.26 | karsten | chiouyov: Yes. Should be there if you're driving stock Debian kernel. If you rolled your own, YMMV. |
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| 04:35.07 | chiouyov | so, that is not the problem in my case. |
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| 04:35.50 | karsten | chiouyov: Try a different machine or OS if available. |
| 04:35.54 | xaque | is there a build for opera on etch? |
| 04:35.58 | karsten | chiouyov: bad burns are not unheard of. |
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| 04:36.02 | karsten | xaque: Ask opera. |
| 04:36.21 | karsten | xaque: That's non-free, proprietary SW. Check with the vendor for details. |
| 04:36.21 | xaque | k |
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| 04:37.07 | ahlfors | but I mean isn't non-free software usually better since you actually pay for it? |
| 04:37.16 | chiouyov | gotta go, bye. |
| 04:37.23 | ChrisWhite | it's non free as in non-opensource |
| 04:37.33 | ChrisWhite | you don't actually pay for it (though you can iirc) |
| 04:37.43 | ahlfors | I'm sorry that was just flamebait |
| 04:38.22 | stainlessmice | hello? |
| 04:38.32 | stainlessmice | anybody awake? |
| 04:38.36 | karsten | stainlessmice: No. |
| 04:38.44 | stainlessmice | o...k... |
| 04:38.47 | karsten | ahlfors: It *was*?! |
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| 04:39.26 | jetscreamer | sssh everybody is trying to sleep |
| 04:39.44 | ofer0 | it's 07:46 here |
| 04:39.49 | karsten | snnoooorrrkkk.... zsshhhhhh Snnnnnnnooork.. zsshhhhhhh |
| 04:40.04 | ChrisWhite | What's sleep? I thought it was a myth |
| 04:40.13 | ahlfors | I'm not sleeping. I'm in disk wait, so I'm unkillable. |
| 04:40.22 | ofer0 | lol ahlfors |
| 04:40.22 | ofer0 | :) |
| 04:40.41 | karsten | ChrisWhite: It's part of coreutils. |
| 04:40.43 | ChrisWhite | is that the period of time between you feeling light headed and opening the next redbull? |
| 04:41.31 | karsten | Sleep: that period of time between making really stupid mistakes. |
| 04:42.18 | ahlfors | I've made stupid mistakes while sleeping |
| 04:42.37 | ChrisWhite | I need to get my mail server going.. dovecot's set.. just need to work on the SMTP |
| 04:43.00 | karsten | ahlfors: are they in college yet? |
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| 04:43.32 | ruser | hi i'm not able to use my cdrw and dvd-rom, i get these errors in syslog at boot: http://rafb.net/paste/results/DQ5j8S48.html would anyone know what the problem might be? |
| 04:43.59 | ahlfors | karsten, I would make a joke about planned parenthood but I should stay on topic |
| 04:44.33 | karsten | ruser: Bad drive, possibly improper cabling. Try re-seating all cable connections. If the errors persist, swap out the drive. |
| 04:44.42 | karsten | ahlfors: Topic? |
| 04:44.46 | karsten | ahlfors: *What* topic? |
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| 04:45.15 | ruser | karsten i have the same thing for 2 different drives on 2 different slots on the laptop. |
| 04:45.19 | amphi | ruser: it's not somey |
| 04:45.33 | ruser | amphi sorry? |
| 04:45.43 | amphi | I lurched |
| 04:46.06 | jetscreamer | ruser: you could check the jumpers |
| 04:46.12 | karsten | ruser: Are those message with or w/o media in the drive(s)? |
| 04:46.16 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 04:46.18 | jetscreamer | laptop |
| 04:46.24 | karsten | jetscreamer: ... on a laptop? |
| 04:46.25 | amphi | ruser: the only time I've seen such errors is when a bad disk has been in the drive |
| 04:46.27 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 04:46.29 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 04:46.39 | ruser | karsten in syslog without media, atlest in one of them let me double check the other one |
| 04:47.12 | ruser | karsten hdc had some media in it... but not hdb |
| 04:47.17 | stainlessmice | which brand is it? |
| 04:47.26 | ruser | karsten let me try with a different CD. |
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| 04:47.43 | ruser | stainlessmice laptop? compaq presarion 2715us about 3-4 years old |
| 04:48.39 | stainlessmice | ohhh, is it high-speed? (your black cdrw) |
| 04:48.44 | Wyzard | ruser: You have two CD-ROM drives in a laptop? |
| 04:49.07 | karsten | Wyzard: Large lap. |
| 04:49.13 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 04:49.22 | stainlessmice | two? |
| 04:49.25 | ruser | Wyzard yes, one swappable (cdrw swappable iwht spare battery or floppy) and another fixed |
| 04:49.33 | ruser | stainlessmice 24x imo |
| 04:49.40 | Wyzard | seems like overkill, but ok |
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| 04:50.35 | karsten | ruser: You _might_ be able to get some info out of smartmontools, but I think that's magnetic disks only. |
| 04:51.04 | stainlessmice | is it possible your cd drive can't read high-speed media? |
| 04:51.09 | Wyzard | I think SMART does only apply to hard drives |
| 04:51.10 | ruser | mmm, hdc compalinig that i'm not giving it system type i just tried with different discs. dmesgss report cdrom open fail, when in fact i was reading dvdrom. |
| 04:51.15 | karsten | That or re-writeable. |
| 04:51.46 | stainlessmice | anyway, afaik, dell = hell |
| 04:51.54 | ruser | stainlessmice well, i'm tyring to open discs that it used to open fine.... but then i havne't used the optical drives for few month, could have stopped working anytime since then |
| 04:51.57 | karsten | stainlessmice: Satan on line two. |
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| 04:52.08 | karsten | stainlessmice: Says he needs to talk to your lawyer. |
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| 04:52.47 | stainlessmice | ruser, you are DRMed |
| 04:52.59 | karsten | stainlessmice: Hrm. Thought. |
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| 04:53.21 | stainlessmice | ruser, did you upgrade your cdrw driver? |
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| 04:53.33 | stainlessmice | ruser, or firmware? |
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| 04:54.59 | kd | hello |
| 04:55.07 | stainlessmice | olleh |
| 04:55.08 | kd | I'm trying to configure x11 |
| 04:55.16 | stainlessmice | so? |
| 04:55.23 | kd | and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg isn't asking me about video modes |
| 04:55.30 | ruser | hrm... hdb just mounted this stuff fine... makes me wonder |
| 04:55.30 | ruser | it wasn't able to mount few days ago... |
| 04:55.32 | kd | I need to change the refresh etc |
| 04:55.38 | kd | and resolution |
| 04:55.54 | ruser | and different disc says no media |
| 04:55.58 | stainlessmice | heh |
| 04:56.15 | amphi | ruser: grubby laser? |
| 04:56.45 | stainlessmice | ruser, did you clean it up? |
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| 04:59.00 | tengulre | It's mine http://www.megacomm.com.cn/download/image_058.jpg :) |
| 04:59.22 | stainlessmice | tengulre, ? |
| 04:59.42 | stainlessmice | tengulre, I cannot... read it |
| 04:59.52 | pinky | I have a GeForce 6800 GT with Nvidia's proprietary drivers installed and working. The card itself has 1 VGA port and 1 DVI port. I'd like the same signal being output on both ports simultaneously, but right now only the VGA port works. How do I enable the DVI port? |
| 04:59.57 | stainlessmice | tengulre, because... |
| 05:00.06 | tengulre | why?? |
| 05:00.09 | tengulre | http://www.megacomm.com.cn/download/image_058.jpg |
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| 05:02.31 | stainlessmice | tengulre, because .cn is cheap |
| 05:02.55 | stainlessmice | tengulre, haha, no, I don't know "why" |
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| 05:03.50 | tengulre | :( |
| 05:03.56 | stainlessmice | :( |
| 05:05.04 | ruser | stainlessmice sorry, got shittty wifi here... no didn't upgrade any firmware or other stuff.. |
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| 05:05.36 | stainlessmice | ruser, what are you using? |
| 05:05.57 | stainlessmice | ruser, linksys? |
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| 05:06.52 | pinky | All the stores only carry Linksys WRT54G(L)s with the crippled flash now... it's really sad because they aren't big enough to throw Linux on them. |
| 05:07.07 | Wyzard | I have OpenWRT on a WRT54GL and it works fine |
| 05:07.36 | pinky | Wyzard: Yeah but how large is the flash? 16MB? |
| 05:07.44 | Wyzard | I just use it as an AP, so I don't have a bunch of extra software installed on it, though |
| 05:07.52 | pinky | There are different versions of the WRT5GL |
| 05:08.00 | bofh80 | erm. i was trying tremulous which now crashes as well as quake3. uhm. MY MOUSE AINT MOVING :) it's usb i unplugged it etc, still aint moving wtf? :) |
| 05:08.00 | pinky | *WRT54GL |
| 05:08.23 | stainlessmice | afaik, if you want to setup a wireless router correctly, you need lots of common sense |
| 05:08.49 | stainlessmice | it's someone's experience |
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| 05:09.47 | Wyzard | pinky: I'm not sure how to check the flash size |
| 05:10.16 | stainlessmice | flash? |
| 05:10.20 | pinky | Wyzard: Do you know what version number the GL is? What are the first three characters of the serial number? |
| 05:10.55 | Wyzard | CL7 |
| 05:11.05 | ruser | stainlessmice in a public place :) |
| 05:11.05 | ruser | stainlessmice dl somehting... so i presume dlink |
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| 05:11.19 | Wyzard | dmesg says "Flash device: 0x400000 at 0x1c000000" |
| 05:11.22 | Wyzard | so 4MB, I guess |
| 05:11.28 | stainlessmice | don't buy d-link now |
| 05:11.38 | stainlessmice | cost-down <- sucks |
| 05:11.53 | stainlessmice | I am very sure |
| 05:12.29 | Wyzard | doesn't bother me since all I have on it is dropbear, though... I turned off routing and DHCP and configured the WAN port so it's another LAN port, so my 54GL is now a WPA2-secured access point |
| 05:13.14 | stainlessmice | is WPA2 crackable? |
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| 05:13.42 | jetscreamer | no, nothing is crackable |
| 05:14.10 | Wyzard | If an attacker can eavesdrop on a legitimate user associating to the AP then he can run an offline brute-force attack on your passphrase |
| 05:14.24 | Wyzard | so you're at risk if you choose a weak passphrase |
| 05:14.39 | Wyzard | but as for the crypto itself, it's pretty solid by today's standards |
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| 05:17.15 | stainlessmice | a tip, Zyxel's firewall > D-Link's |
| 05:17.38 | stainlessmice | more serious |
| 05:17.57 | multi_io | is the directory /usr/X11R6/include/X11 deprecated? |
| 05:18.12 | multi_io | or even /usr/X11R6 ? |
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| 05:20.11 | dn4 | !dpkg sex |
| 05:20.12 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 05:20.32 | dn4 | BAWAHAHAHA |
| 05:21.35 | pinky | Haha, that's excellent. |
| 05:21.46 | multi_io | well, apparently it is. |
| 05:21.49 | pinky | multi_io: Which version of X.Org are you running? |
| 05:21.50 | stainlessmice | !dpkg death |
| 05:21.50 | dpkg | i guess death is what happens when you don't /msg, or the opposite of life |
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| 05:22.26 | stainlessmice | is x.org still alive? |
| 05:22.30 | multi_io | pinky: 1:7.0.23 |
| 05:22.30 | stainlessmice | o.o |
| 05:24.53 | pinky | multi_io: Then yes, the /usr/X11R6/ is deprecated |
| 05:25.59 | xaque | does anyone know how to use Network Manager? |
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| 05:26.12 | stainlessmice | none |
| 05:27.32 | Wyzard | xaque: What about it? |
| 05:27.50 | Wyzard | xaque: You need to install network-manager-gnome too, since that's the UI |
| 05:27.58 | xaque | ah |
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| 05:28.03 | Wyzard | xaque: (There might be other alternate UI packages installed; I dunno) |
| 05:28.17 | xaque | thats what I was looking for, thanks |
| 05:28.18 | Wyzard | xaque: If you use GNOME you should find that it runs automatically when you log in, and puts an icon in your status area |
| 05:28.18 | debianos | hello |
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| 05:28.55 | xaque | network-manager-kde |
| 05:29.03 | xaque | I would like to stay away from the gnome libs |
| 05:29.07 | xaque | thanks |
| 05:29.13 | withayanda | anyone have much experience configuring wpa_supplicant w/o network-manager? |
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| 05:29.17 | debianos | ok is a testing |
| 05:29.17 | xaque | I was looking all over for the fronend |
| 05:30.21 | debianos | ineed help about mythtv with pinnacle pctv usb2 configuration |
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| 05:31.05 | debianos | please help me! |
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| 05:31.53 | catch23 | what's the proper way of marking a package to the hold status so that apt-get install x doesn't end up installing the other package? |
| 05:32.44 | debianos | ok..but i need the configuration |
| 05:32.57 | predder | I just upgraded from 2.6.15-1 to 2.6.16-2 and mkinitrd has been replaced with mkinitramfs which doesn't let me specify ROOT="" in the conf. I need to tell it /dev/md5 is root and it assumes /dev/sdb5 is root, any suggestions? |
| 05:34.28 | Wyzard | predder: It probably looks in your /etc/fstab |
| 05:35.25 | tengulre | www.megacomm.com.cn/download/image_058.jpg |
| 05:35.29 | jelly-home | catch23: /msg dpkg hold |
| 05:37.19 | debianos | any body else? |
| 05:37.32 | tengulre | http://www.megacomm.com.cn/download/image_059.jpg |
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| 05:38.42 | Co_Pengerti | sd |
| 05:38.44 | Co_Pengerti | as |
| 05:38.48 | Co_Pengerti | das |
| 05:39.24 | catch23 | jelly-home: ? |
| 05:41.06 | jelly-home | catch23: see that echo package-name hold | dpkg --set-selections command in there? That's the answer to "proper way of marking a package to the hold status so that apt-get install x doesn't end up installing the other package" |
| 05:41.29 | LunarCrisis | are there any good NL video editing programs available for linux? |
| 05:41.41 | catch23 | jelly-home: i don't see echo anything... |
| 05:42.05 | catch23 | jelly-home: is a bot supposed to send something to me? |
| 05:42.16 | jelly-home | catch23: hmm, is your nick registered? |
| 05:42.21 | jelly-home | !test |
| 05:42.21 | dpkg | No, jelly-home, you're not online any more. |
| 05:42.28 | LunarCrisis | I've tried cinerella but it crashes constantly |
| 05:42.34 | catch23 | yeah it's registered |
| 05:42.51 | jelly-home | catch23: well, yes it was supposed to msg you back. |
| 05:43.11 | jelly-home | !tell catch23 -about hold |
| 05:43.16 | catch23 | yeah i assumed that... |
| 05:43.18 | jelly-home | got it now? |
| 05:43.29 | catch23 | yeah i got it now |
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| 05:44.57 | jmd | What package(s) do I need to install (in etch) to get mozilla to execute java applets ? |
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| 05:45.54 | jetscreamer | probably/maybe the sun java jre in non-free |
| 05:46.18 | jetscreamer | i know it's in sid |
| 05:46.29 | jetscreamer | !find sun java etch |
| 05:48.20 | jmd | Bummer. You mean GCJ can't do it yet? |
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| 05:48.46 | jetscreamer | well there's a few... apt-cache search sun | grep java |
| 05:48.51 | jetscreamer | !info sun-java5-jre etch |
| 05:49.01 | jetscreamer | i accidentally pasted that in ##windows :) |
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| 05:49.20 | dannyr | hi, Is there a new release of debian soon - I am downloading 14cd iso's - are they all necessary? |
| 05:49.37 | jetscreamer | no |
| 05:49.46 | jetscreamer | yes, and no, in that order |
| 05:50.08 | jetscreamer | you really only need a 30-60mb d/l or so |
| 05:50.14 | jetscreamer | and burn a netinstall cd |
| 05:50.44 | jetscreamer | otherwise you only need cd#1 |
| 05:51.08 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 05:51.28 | dannyr | jetscreamer: thank you! |
| 05:51.33 | teksimian | why do i not have manpages for lets say strdup and like functions? |
| 05:51.35 | jetscreamer | the next version will be etch |
| 05:51.37 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 05:51.47 | jetscreamer | apt-get install manpages-dev mapbe |
| 05:51.54 | octan | yes |
| 05:51.58 | jetscreamer | can't swear |
| 05:52.01 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:52.08 | octan | ok |
| 05:52.10 | jetscreamer | :::concurrence::: |
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| 05:52.38 | ChrisBradley | man Debian and Ubuntu are growing like mad |
| 05:52.45 | octan | i the litlebrother to stian (ctan) |
| 05:52.58 | dannyr | jetscreamer: do you have any thoughts on how long to etch! |
| 05:53.02 | octan | bye |
| 05:53.07 | jetscreamer | byebye |
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| 05:53.11 | jetscreamer | not really dannyr |
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| 05:53.26 | ChrisBradley | so this is where you've been hiding js |
| 05:53.28 | jetscreamer | you probably want to install etch anyway, but i'm not telling you to |
| 05:53.31 | jetscreamer | just atm |
| 05:53.46 | jetscreamer | i was hiding on telefrag earlier |
| 05:53.54 | wols | jetscreamer: 120MB for a netinstall sarge, and etch is supposed to be released this december |
| 05:53.59 | ChrisBradley | wtf is telefrag? |
| 05:54.14 | jetscreamer | a diff server |
| 05:54.19 | ChrisBradley | Ah |
| 05:54.34 | ChrisBradley | has a sort of whiff of 2600 |
| 05:54.45 | jetscreamer | etg also but i don't look at it much |
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| 05:55.22 | jetscreamer | i wish xchat let ou stack tabs |
| 05:55.26 | jetscreamer | you |
| 05:55.38 | predder | <Wyzard> predder: It probably looks in your /etc/fstab <-- it doesn't, edited fstab do reflect md stuff and it came with the same error during creation: mdadm: /dev/sdb5 does not appear to be an md device |
| 05:55.41 | jetscreamer | this one long line is too long |
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| 05:56.40 | ChrisBradley | jetscreamer do you use irssi? |
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| 05:57.04 | ruser | hey guys, a question, i have this klaptop for kde installed, and i want to be able to hibernate and resume. it seems to power off and dump some information to filesystem on hibernate, but i'm not sure how do i resume, do i have to give special opetions to the kernel? |
| 05:57.08 | dannyr | jetscreamer: will it be hard to upgrade from beta to stable when it is released, if I install etch beta? |
| 05:57.27 | jetscreamer | as a backup for those times when xorg or nvidia fights and/or won't play well with each other |
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| 05:57.50 | jetscreamer | dannyr: if your sources say etch, you just stay with etch when it does |
| 05:57.59 | jetscreamer | you won't be able to really tell |
| 05:58.15 | jetscreamer | if they say testing you stay with that branch |
| 05:58.21 | jetscreamer | easy to text edit |
| 05:59.13 | no_workie | could one of you guys give me a quick hand with fstab. trying to mount a partition with plain user r/w. i've tried several mount setups and nothin seems to be working properly |
| 05:59.27 | jetscreamer | what fs |
| 05:59.33 | no_workie | ext3 |
| 05:59.35 | no_workie | /dev/sda4/media/sda4ext3defaults,user,exec,rw 0 1 |
| 05:59.59 | g_o_o_d_day | i am using debian 3.1r1 sarge with openswan version U2.2.0 and i am not able to get ipsec0 device. so is there any probelm with the verison of ipsec please. |
| 05:59.59 | jetscreamer | is it just for you? |
| 06:00.08 | ChrisBradley | 1 |
| 06:00.17 | no_workie | yeah |
| 06:00.24 | no_workie | only user on tha machine |
| 06:00.44 | no_workie | its gotta be somethin silly i'm overlooking =p |
| 06:00.45 | jetscreamer | sudo chown -R no_workie:no_workie /media/sda4 |
| 06:00.56 | jetscreamer | it works |
| 06:01.05 | jetscreamer | or you could just mount it under your homedir somewhere |
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| 06:01.57 | jetscreamer | i also chown the mountpoints and the dir they are in , but only when unmounted, unless they're all for me |
| 06:02.04 | jetscreamer | but it's always just for me |
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| 06:03.27 | no_workie | so for the group part of that, I can just use the gid#, yes? |
| 06:04.45 | jetscreamer | you can use numbers on both |
| 06:04.52 | no_workie | gotcha |
| 06:04.54 | no_workie | thx |
| 06:04.58 | jetscreamer | chown -R 1000:1000 |
| 06:05.00 | jetscreamer | k |
| 06:05.32 | jetscreamer | i usually add myself to the disk group also |
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| 06:06.58 | no_workie | is this a change that takes effect on reboot? or should remounting the device do the trick? just tried to access it after a remount and still no dice |
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| 06:08.51 | wols | what is the error you get? |
| 06:09.16 | no_workie | nm. |
| 06:09.33 | no_workie | i used dev/sda4 instead of /media/sda4 - that made a difference |
| 06:09.39 | no_workie | /dev/sda5* |
| 06:09.41 | no_workie | 4* |
| 06:09.55 | no_workie | thanks again for the help |
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| 06:12.54 | jetscreamer | 4554 |
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| 06:22.43 | wols | whoohoo. 2.6.18 is out. and even has a new drivre for my hardware |
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| 06:27.33 | Malagmyr | hasn't that been "out" for, at least, the last month? |
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| 06:28.13 | Wyzard | Release candidates were available |
| 06:28.19 | wols | RCs perhaps but no releases |
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| 06:28.19 | Wyzard | The final release was today |
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| 06:32.32 | ThomasPorter | Hi, afew questions before I install Debian... For a starters.. Do I need to enter a domain name for 'domain name'...? I intend to use the server for afew domains??? Do I need a server per domain or something? Also... at the boot command thingie.. whats the difference between pressing enter and entering linux26? |
| 06:33.05 | sep | ThomasPorter, you want to use linux26 (isntall a 2.6 kernel otherways a 2.4 kernel) |
| 06:33.47 | sep | ThomasPorter, and there is a difference to what domain the server is on, as to what domains the applications can serve for. |
| 06:33.57 | karsten | ThomasPorter: No. |
| 06:34.11 | karsten | ThomasPorter: domain name is generally specified by your DNS. |
| 06:34.17 | sep | you want a domainname for the server. that identify it. you can still have apache server other domains, and exim acceopt mail for other domains |
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| 06:35.37 | sep | ThomasPorter, i see karsten gets my meaning across better... :] |
| 06:37.07 | ThomasPorter | sep, so I couldn't use a domain for both the server and as a mailserver/ web server etc? |
| 06:37.16 | ThomasPorter | Or is that just DNS defined? |
| 06:38.58 | sep | ThomasPorter, umm if i understood you corectly, yes you can use the same domainname for both web and mail. |
| 06:39.15 | sep | and ofcouse DNS must be correct , and your web/email server must be correctly configured |
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| 06:43.54 | wols | ThomasPorter: both webserver and mailserver can serve many different domains at once. you don't need one servre per domain |
| 06:44.03 | wols | but this is a special configuration, and not default |
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| 06:44.54 | wols | and it has nothing to do with the domain name you enter when installing. lots of domainnames can and do point at the same server/ip in DNS |
| 06:45.29 | wols | all you have to do is make sure that the domain names you do enter wherver you enter them, point to the proper IP, the IP of your server |
| 06:46.30 | nile | I'd like to disable all the modules I'm *sure* I don't need from auto-loading. I've added "skip $MODULENAME" lines to /etc/discover-autoskip.conf and this stops a few from loading, but the majority still do. Is this because the kernel is "auto-loading" these before the system even gets to the discover script? |
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| 06:47.19 | nile | examples: I don't have PCI hotplugging, I don't use ipv6, and I don't have any serial devices. |
| 06:47.45 | wols | check /etc/modules |
| 06:47.53 | wols | or simply compile a custom kernel |
| 06:48.06 | nile | wols, there are only three modules there - all of which I manually added. |
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| 06:49.04 | konsvald | is there a way to save ibstalled package? |
| 06:49.12 | konsvald | i mean installed |
| 06:49.13 | sticky | Which would be the smarter choice on an Intel P3 @ 1Ghz? Stable or Unstable? |
| 06:49.41 | amphi | stable works well on a p3 laptop |
| 06:49.45 | konsvald | sticky, what about testing? |
| 06:49.55 | wols | sticky: has nothing to do with CPU |
| 06:50.18 | sticky | konsvald: mostly for the fact I'd like security updates |
| 06:50.45 | sticky | wols: I know, but I'm saying the hardware is probably weird, kind of like I know slack installs better on older hardware |
| 06:50.53 | konsvald | unstable neets that criteria? |
| 06:51.09 | nile | wols, it seems like "kernel-package" is what I should use to build custom kernels. Is this correct? |
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| 06:52.25 | TTT | hi, i have debian/sid, 2.6.17-2-k7, via82xx, and i'm trying to get the sound to work. Alsa modules (snd_via82xx and co) seem to be loaded correctly, but there are no devices in /dev/snd/* |
| 06:52.50 | TTT | and all of alsa utilities don't work because of this |
| 06:52.53 | konsvald | sticky testing has security updates |
| 06:53.23 | sticky | konsvald: yes, not many though. Not really good idea for a server though. |
| 06:53.49 | konsvald | sticky, unstable would be better? |
| 06:54.13 | sticky | Then again... I guess if I was really worried about security I'd just use OpenBSD heh. So I guess that's not really a concern |
| 06:54.22 | konsvald | back to my own problem. bstalled package? |
| 06:54.25 | sticky | konsvald: I don't know, that's why I was asking |
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| 06:55.30 | konsvald | Back to my own problem. Is there a way to save intalled package? |
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| 06:55.55 | TTT | konsvald, what do you mean save? |
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| 06:57.56 | konsvald | TTT, a .deb package would have dependencies. an installed package would have all these sorted out. can i save such a package? |
| 06:58.42 | TTT | i still don't understand the problems. You want to save a package with all the dependencies? |
| 06:59.31 | konsvald | TTT, that si right, |
| 06:59.41 | karsten | It comes with a complimentary unicorn. |
| 07:00.01 | sticky | Well this should be interesting, full size or scale? |
| 07:00.02 | konsvald | TTT, that is a complete functional entity, unlike a .deb. |
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| 07:00.12 | karsten | sticky: Full-size what? |
| 07:00.16 | sticky | Unicorn |
| 07:00.29 | debian | There're still so many people here |
| 07:00.32 | karsten | sticky: Is there any other kind? |
| 07:00.38 | karsten | debian: No we're not. |
| 07:00.57 | debian | karsten: ....so, they're all zombies? |
| 07:01.02 | karsten | sticky: testing/unstable on this PIII 800 MHz 512 BTW. |
| 07:01.03 | streuner | debian: most are idlers ;-) |
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| 07:01.08 | karsten | debian: Carefule. |
| 07:01.27 | karsten | debian: The zombie anti-defamation league may wish to talk to you. |
| 07:02.16 | TTT | konsvald, complete functional entity is an entire debian distro with kernel and stuff. A .deb with dependencies is just a .deb with dependencies. If I need that, i'd just view the package (apt-cache show xxx) and fetch dependencies manually from an archive |
| 07:02.23 | sticky | Well maybe I should rephrase the idiotic question of mine... For a server -- I want semi-new packages... Stable, Testing, or Unstable |
| 07:02.43 | karsten | sticky: Semi-new packages: testing/unstable. |
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| 07:02.56 | sticky | debian: it's just more convienant to come here since I already idle in channels here than to go to OFTC or whatever |
| 07:03.01 | karsten | sticky: A warehouse of systems running in a production environment with critical SLAs: stable. |
| 07:03.10 | karsten | sticky: Desktop, technical user: testing/unstable. |
| 07:03.26 | karsten | sticky: Desktop, nontechnical user: Ubuntu or variant (K/X) |
| 07:03.26 | cydork | sticky: believe me you dont want to install unstable packages on stable. use backports if you want to.. |
| 07:03.44 | sticky | cydork: not talking about that ;) -- I've already gone down that road once before heh. |
| 07:03.48 | karsten | sticky: Don't mix (unstable/testing) with stable. |
| 07:04.05 | cydork | sticky: ohh :) |
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| 07:04.35 | karsten | sticky: Delta between (unstable/testing) and stable is that Stable Never Changes (absent bugfixes/security updates), meaning you shouldn't have any surprises until Debian revs and you update everything at once. |
| 07:04.53 | cydork | sticky: what kind of server are you talkin about? and why do you want new packages? |
| 07:04.54 | karsten | sticky: With testing/unstable, every update is a little suprise, though most are in fact quite little. |
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| 07:05.05 | streuner | !tell debian about debstats |
| 07:05.10 | karsten | sticky: Sometimes Shit Breaks[tm] however. |
| 07:05.31 | karsten | sticky: Clear? |
| 07:06.09 | sticky | cydork: Mail, IRC, FTP, File Server, Ping Monitoring, nothing too fancy, but I do however like a large selection of packages for whatever the reason may be that I need to install something quickly and don't want to dick around with compling it |
| 07:06.30 | konsvald | TTT, for my installation, say, a comm link is very important. if i have to reinstall my system, ai would want the comm app to be the first to work after installing the base system. if the app have been saved, then it can be restored and get started. |
| 07:06.38 | karsten | sticky: The slightly more critical question is going to be: who's dependent on this server, and what is the risk of any downtime? |
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| 07:06.42 | debian | streuner: hmm...should I really know about debstat? :) thanks anyway |
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| 07:07.29 | sticky | Well... about 5 other servers connected directly to it as an IRC hub.... so it would only effect about let's say 300 users at most, downtime really isnt a concern though |
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| 07:07.33 | ThomasPorter | I want to configure a secure server ready for the internet, how should I partition it? "all files in one partition, Desktop Machine, Multi-User Workstation" |
| 07:07.42 | cydork | sticky: every thing you want is there in stable. and etch will be stable in dec so you can upgrade to etch then. |
| 07:07.50 | debian | sticky: because you're sticky. :) |
| 07:08.05 | sticky | debian: because you're debian. :) ? |
| 07:08.17 | Tallu | ThomasPorter: depends on what you need, will you be running several users, each with own database and pages etc, or just email and dns etc? |
| 07:08.22 | sticky | You actually lost me on that one ;) |
| 07:08.33 | debian | sticky: yes. |
| 07:08.56 | ThomasPorter | Tallu, several users with with afew mysql db's and webpages... also a mail server and dns |
| 07:09.19 | Tallu | ThomasPorter: and then, how big is your hd? and do you think you'll someday buy another one? |
| 07:09.27 | sep | ThomasPorter, how secure the server is on the network is not very related to it's partitioning.... more related to how vigilant it's admin is. :) |
| 07:09.29 | sticky | Well I'm glad Etch is finally going to become the stable... been using that on one server for the last 4 months with no downtime... I just was curious what would run on 'older' hardware |
| 07:09.48 | sticky | what would run good rather |
| 07:09.54 | nile | wols, thanks for the help, mate |
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| 07:09.59 | fysaen | Good morning |
| 07:10.27 | sticky | Morning fysaen |
| 07:10.29 | debian | sticky: depends on how old... |
| 07:10.41 | sep | ThomasPorter, if in doubt, use lvm, then as needs arise you can easily create a new logical volume, or grow and exsisting one |
| 07:10.50 | ThomasPorter | sep, ah.. someone told me it was.. thanks for your help |
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| 07:11.16 | sticky | Let's see... I'd guess around well.. I don't really know to be exact. It's a Pentium 3 @ 1Ghz. So.. maybe 1999-2000? |
| 07:11.26 | Tallu | ThomasPorter: these are all questions you need to think about. My current setup is ext2 /boot 50 megs, / 10 gigs, then rest in a LVM |
| 07:11.30 | debian | sticky: I wouldn't say it's old. :) |
| 07:11.32 | sticky | maybe older, not really sure |
| 07:11.33 | TTT | konsvald, won't work, since you are changing kernel & libc & other dependencies, keeping an old comm app won't do you much good, unless it is statically linked |
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| 07:11.50 | sep | ThomasPorter, for a server i'd want a separate /var for sure. if you have users on it i'd want a separate /home |
| 07:11.57 | cydork | sticky: etch can run on that.. |
| 07:12.01 | sticky | debian: What would you consider old then? The old Dos v3 Compaq from 1983 sitting in my garage? |
| 07:12.03 | sep | ThomasPorter, a separate /tmp is also nice2 have |
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| 07:12.19 | Tallu | Def separate /home unless you are using quotes |
| 07:12.21 | fyrestrtr | where can I get a list of 'show stopper' issues with testing? |
| 07:12.26 | sep | ThomasPorter, but most important is leave space in your volume group for growth where you need it. |
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| 07:12.44 | ThomasPorter | sep, okay |
| 07:12.49 | sep | ie dont commit all your disk now. just enough for your installation then grow the needed bits afterwards. |
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| 07:12.50 | debian | sticky: well, I've one running PIII 800Mhz. Runs unstalbe just fine |
| 07:12.53 | sep | lvm just rocks :) |
| 07:13.06 | BadBobot29M | Hi there beautiful people |
| 07:13.12 | BadBobot29M | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.12 | Guerin | a p3 isn't old |
| 07:13.17 | amphi | BadBobot29M: heh |
| 07:13.20 | sep | ThomasPorter, if all that sounds dificult go with the default :) |
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| 07:13.24 | Guerin | a p2 might *barely* qualify as old nowadays |
| 07:13.38 | BadBobot29M | You pc is older then my grandmothers |
| 07:13.40 | BadBobot29M | lol |
| 07:13.41 | sticky | You mean people actually use those powerwasters? |
| 07:13.44 | BadBobot29M | debian |
| 07:13.47 | fyrestrtr | sep: can lvm expand a volume across multiple physical disks? So say I want to expand /home across two hdd |
| 07:13.54 | sep | fyrestrtr, yes |
| 07:13.54 | debian | BadBobot29M |
| 07:14.11 | sticky | I've not powered up a P2 in about 5 years heh |
| 07:14.20 | Wyzard | fyrestrtr: Yes, though that's a risk because if *either* disk dies you have a damaged filesystem |
| 07:14.39 | sep | fyrestrtr, keep in mind hd failures now. that double your risk |
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| 07:14.54 | Wyzard | fyrestrtr: LVM on top of a RAID array, on the other hand, is great |
| 07:14.54 | sep | i use lvm on raid most often |
| 07:14.55 | BadBobot29M | Sorry it was just a joke debian |
| 07:15.00 | fyrestrtr | but other than that, what is the advantage of lvm? I guess I don't see the 'aha' thing. |
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| 07:15.17 | debian | !lart BadBobot29M |
| 07:15.24 | debian | oh dpkg is still here |
| 07:15.25 | sep | fyrestrtr, you can easily reduce or enlarge fileystemes |
| 07:15.26 | fyrestrtr | on a development machine, is it recommended (no raid) |
| 07:15.31 | Wyzard | fyrestrtr: You can initially create your "partitions" relatively small, and then expand them as-needed |
| 07:15.37 | sep | fyrestrtr, for enlarge you can even do it while it's mounted and running |
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| 07:15.45 | Wyzard | fyrestrtr: create and remove "partitions" without having to reboot the system |
| 07:15.54 | sticky | I have 4 drives mounted withen /home that act as a way to keep things organized |
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| 07:16.14 | ThomasPorter | If I use my domain eg.. domain.com as my domain name when installing debian (system domain?) will be beable to also use it for a mailserver and web server later on? Also how should I configure my domain? an A Record pointing to my IP Address? |
| 07:16.21 | Wyzard | fyrestrtr: A friend recently needed to backup some stuff to my computer to get it off a drive of his that was failing, so I made a 50GB LV for him to use |
| 07:16.24 | tralala | fyrestrtr: on my laptop I've found lvm to be nothing but trouble. It is not the silver bullet. |
| 07:16.49 | Wyzard | fyrestrtr: When he's done with it I'll delete it; no need to reboot in either case |
| 07:16.52 | debian | ThomasPorter: you need a DNS server points to server's IP |
| 07:16.56 | sep | tralala, nothing ever is. you should not use it if you dont have a need for it. |
| 07:17.02 | fyrestrtr | Wyzard: but I only have one disk, is it really worth it for me? I can see it on a server system, but for a development workstation? |
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| 07:17.05 | debian | ThomasPorter: and you may as well setup one yourself |
| 07:17.17 | Wyzard | fyrestrtr: It can be useful |
| 07:17.28 | tralala | sep: thanks for clearing up my point |
| 07:17.29 | sticky | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.37 | sep | fyrestrtr, and dont forget snapshots !!!! |
| 07:17.41 | debian | ThomasPorter: but most(networksolutions namely) allow you to enter the host into their DNS |
| 07:17.44 | Wyzard | fyrestrtr: On my laptop I only have an 80GB hard drive, and I left the root filesystem fairly small so I could make /home big |
| 07:17.45 | sep | in the list of + lvm things :) |
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| 07:17.52 | debian | s/most/most domain vendors/ |
| 07:18.06 | Wyzard | fyrestrtr: When I ran out of space on the root, I just shrank the /home LV and made the root one bigger |
| 07:18.16 | ThomasPorter | debian, okay.. so If I set one up using say webmin :P... do I need to use two different domains? Namecheap offers me free DNS hosting.. I may as well use them? and make a 2nd domain with ns1.2nddomain.com etc..? |
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| 07:18.54 | Wyzard | On my new system I'll be using LVM on top of encryption on top of RAID-5 :-) |
| 07:18.58 | sep | ThomasPorter, if you must use webmin you should never ever be allowed putting a server on the internet. (not to be rude, but learn the real tools) |
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| 07:19.19 | debian | ThomasPorter: I don't know anything about NameCheap, but as long as the domain, say domain123.com points to your sever. you can setup as many virtual hosts as you like |
| 07:19.22 | cydork | Wyzard: now that's cool :P |
| 07:19.24 | ThomasPorter | sep, I'm not sure how to administate any other way |
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| 07:19.33 | sticky | ThomasPorter: ssh! |
| 07:19.37 | cydork | ThomasPorter: ssh |
| 07:19.37 | ThomasPorter | debian, awesome |
| 07:19.40 | cydork | bah |
| 07:19.43 | Wyzard | cydork: 1.5TB, too :-D |
| 07:19.46 | debian | ThomasPorter: and I don't know about webmin neither, I use vi httpd.conf directly. :P |
| 07:19.55 | sep | ThomasPorter, it's wise to learn how to before going out in the deep end. |
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| 07:20.09 | SlayerXP | webmin is the source of all the world's evil |
| 07:20.14 | sticky | Indeed it is |
| 07:20.17 | sep | !webmin |
| 07:20.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 07:20.23 | pinky_ | pinky: bye bye :) |
| 07:20.25 | cydork | Wyzard: 1.5 TB ?? dont tell me it's a personal system. :P |
| 07:20.37 | sep | SlayerXP, well... atlest it have it's share of compromised servers.. |
| 07:20.44 | sep | but all evil ? :) |
| 07:20.46 | debian | ThomasPorter: say, you make a new abc.domain123.com, then you make a /var/www/abc with proper permission. Then add a virtual host abc.domain123.com, points to /var/www/abc |
| 07:20.49 | ThomasPorter | debian, set, sticky, cydork, (lol.. look at how many people I'm addressing) Its easier to install software, I can setup a web server fine using SSH.. but mail servers... ugh |
| 07:20.50 | debian | something like that |
| 07:20.50 | Wyzard | cydork: Yep, personal system... sort of a hybrid workstation/fileserver/whatever |
| 07:20.51 | sticky | cydork: my personal system has 1.4TB of storage ;x |
| 07:20.56 | SlayerXP | if you have to use webmin then, on no account, should your "server" be connected to a network |
| 07:21.05 | fyrestrtr | sep/Wyzard: is there a performance hit with lvm? |
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| 07:21.21 | ThomasPorter | Slayer, can't I just use webmin locally? |
| 07:21.22 | amphi | ThomasPorter: postfix is relatively simple to set up |
| 07:21.25 | sticky | ThomasPorter: I have to agree with you that MTA's SUCK. |
| 07:21.46 | cydork | ThomasPorter: webmin is not in etch, and i think it wont be there in any debian release |
| 07:21.50 | ThomasPorter | amphi, okay 'apt-get install postfix' easy enough.. then dovecot comes in :| |
| 07:21.53 | sep | fyrestrtr, tiny http://www.suse.com/en/whitepapers/lvm/lvm1.html#perf |
| 07:22.00 | debian | ThomasPorter: in here you'd be overwhelmed by helpful helpers. :P have fun |
| 07:22.16 | sticky | amphi: not so easy configuring it for 50 domains |
| 07:22.18 | ThomasPorter | debian, lol |
| 07:22.26 | cydork | !qotd199 |
| 07:22.26 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd199 is Dabian: This is a support channel - not a help channel - which means we try to humiliate the users by exposing their lack of knowledge and netiqette, in a way subtle enough to not add to their knowledge. :-) |
| 07:22.29 | sep | ThomasPorter, postfix is as easy as falling of a chair, |
| 07:22.34 | xjkx | on photoshop when I double click a layer that has in it a TEXT, i can make a lot of things like shadow collors and so, and i'd like to know if its possible to do with gimp |
| 07:22.37 | amphi | sticky: sure |
| 07:22.38 | fyrestrtr | sep: thanks, I'll check that out while etch installer downloads. Have had a fun ride trying to get debian installed, but now that I have a backup machine to work on, I can attack debian head on on my workstation :) |
| 07:22.42 | sep | heck even sendmail is aesy with the m4 scripts |
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| 07:22.53 | jetscreamer | gimp has layers, all i know |
| 07:23.10 | debian | ThomasPorter: sometime you've to ask the helpers to queue up for helping you. |
| 07:23.10 | xjkx | but they don't seem to have options :> |
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| 07:24.24 | sep | the most dificult thing with mail servers is the spam problem |
| 07:24.35 | sep | anything else is just a simple matter of reading the docs |
| 07:24.37 | ThomasPorter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:24.49 | fyrestrtr | xjkx: you might try gimpshop (a gimp customization for photoshop users) |
| 07:24.50 | ThomasPorter | debian, but thats because i'm from Australia, when i'm awake, your all asleep |
| 07:24.52 | tralala | xjkx: the gimp homepage, docs, irc channel, etc. are supposedly more informative in this area than a debian support channel |
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| 07:25.20 | tralala | xjkx: you might also check gimpguru.org |
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| 07:26.02 | xjkx | gonna install gimpshop, never heard of till now |
| 07:26.40 | xjkx | is it done by the same authors?doesn't it brake any patent? |
| 07:26.52 | fyrestrtr | can someone tell me, is there an easy to way kill an established connection? I have a server, running shorewall, with about 20 clients. Sometimes, when clients are naughty, I block offending IPs from shorewall -- this prevents any new connections, but established connections aren't dropped. What is a way to do that easily? I tried 'cutter' but it kept saying that connection doesn't exist, but clearly the person is connected (I used jnet |
| 07:27.29 | debian | ThomasPorter: I'm on the same timezone as yours |
| 07:28.21 | tralala | fyrestrtr: you can add a rule that blocks the forwarding for all the packets of the offending IP. This will make any existing connections to timeout. |
| 07:28.30 | sticky | I shouldnt even be in IRC right now due to the time... 3:30am here ;x |
| 07:29.26 | xjkx | 4:30am here <brazil> |
| 07:29.31 | yang | nmap shows that i am running netbios services, how do i stop them, and what are those needed for? |
| 07:29.44 | sticky | xjkx: gimpshop was just a hack for a better layout |
| 07:29.49 | sticky | yang: are you running Samba? |
| 07:29.53 | fyrestrtr | yang: samba is probably the culprit there. |
| 07:30.07 | yang | no samba |
| 07:30.25 | yang | also microsoft-ds |
| 07:30.28 | yang | open |
| 07:30.39 | fyrestrtr | are you sure you aren't running samba? |
| 07:30.42 | sep | yang, netstat -plont will show the process name of the process using the ports |
| 07:30.47 | sep | yang, sounds like samba |
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| 07:31.54 | yang | sep: and how can i stop that? |
| 07:32.02 | sep | /etc/init.d/samba stop |
| 07:32.19 | sep | yang, if you dont want samba running ever you should remove it's package |
| 07:32.23 | fyrestrtr | the etch install cd uses a 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:32.34 | sep | fyrestrtr, etch as default |
| 07:32.47 | sep | fyrestrtr, in sarge you must boot with linux26 or install26 for 2.6 kernel |
| 07:33.00 | yang | sep: well, i don't have samba installed... |
| 07:33.30 | sep | yang, what process listen on the ports then ??? netstat -plont |
| 07:34.50 | yang | sep - i paste you in query |
| 07:34.59 | sep | okay |
| 07:35.05 | sep | use #flood |
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| 07:36.24 | sep | yang, you dont have anything listening on 445. |
| 07:36.34 | yang | when i try portscan with nmap i get 137/tcp filtered netbios-ns |
| 07:37.26 | sep | yang, try netstat -plon |
| 07:38.10 | yang | well its weird it doesnt show of anything running on 137 |
| 07:38.26 | sep | 137 is the nameresolver it's a udp |
| 07:38.34 | sep | hence -plon instead of -plont |
| 07:38.40 | sep | usualy used by nmbs |
| 07:38.57 | sep | nmbd i mean |
| 07:38.57 | karsten | fyrestrtr: LVM _totally_ scores you the chicks in bars. |
| 07:39.18 | cydork | karsten: which bar is that? :P |
| 07:39.28 | karsten | cydork: Professional secret. |
| 07:39.42 | yang | sep: maybe "nmap" flags it like "filtered" but it actually isn't running |
| 07:39.46 | karsten | cydork: Alternate answer: it's a real drive bar. |
| 07:39.57 | fyrestrtr | yeah is such a secret even you don't know ... but let me guess, is it the foobar ? |
| 07:40.07 | cydork | karsten: heheh |
| 07:40.25 | cydork | i like fyrestrtr's answer :P |
| 07:40.32 | sep | yang, if you have iptables rules then perhaps. |
| 07:40.38 | sep | i have not played much with nmap |
| 07:42.29 | sep | yang, but you can trust netstat to tell you what listens where, (as long as you have no rootkit that is ) |
| 07:42.36 | fyrestrtr | wow 2.6 installer is FAST |
| 07:42.52 | Guerin | STUPID telstra |
| 07:42.53 | fyrestrtr | but damn 1.5 GB swap?! |
| 07:43.04 | karsten | Guerin: Redundant. |
| 07:43.07 | Guerin | they told me to arp -a and then can't understand the output |
| 07:43.45 | Guerin | should arp -a show the gateway or the address of the interface? |
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| 07:44.17 | fyrestrtr | okay what tha heck -- timezone selector doesn't have 'other' option :| |
| 07:44.18 | sep | Guerin, it shows the hardware address list of devices recently in comunication with your host. |
| 07:44.36 | karsten | fyrestrtr: What other do you want? |
| 07:44.36 | fyrestrtr | it has East Indiana freakin' Samoa -- but not other. |
| 07:44.39 | Guerin | sep: but not the address of the device itself? |
| 07:44.46 | fyrestrtr | Asia/Kuwait |
| 07:44.50 | sep | Guerin, if you want to see the hardware address of a spesific ip, you can run a ping to it just before |
| 07:44.57 | sep | Guerin, if your own nic ? just use iptables |
| 07:44.58 | karsten | Guerin: ... no, that's 'ifconfig' output. |
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| 07:45.11 | karsten | sep: iptables? |
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| 07:45.18 | Guerin | sep: i'm jumping throught tech support hoops, and they don't believe me |
| 07:45.25 | Guerin | karsten: as I thought |
| 07:45.33 | fyrestrtr | so -- how do I set Asia/Kuwait as the timezone? |
| 07:45.40 | karsten | Jump, Guerin, jump! |
| 07:45.47 | sep | karsten, umm right |
| 07:45.58 | sep | Guerin, iptables was ofcouse ment to be ifconfig... |
| 07:46.15 | sep | fyrestrtr, tzconfig iirc |
| 07:46.17 | karsten | fyrestrtr: tzconfig |
| 07:46.24 | fyrestrtr | yeah but from the installer. |
| 07:46.30 | karsten | fyrestrtr: /usr/share/zoneinfo/right/Asia/Kuwait |
| 07:46.43 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Just !@#$%^&*() run tzconfig. |
| 07:46.49 | sep | fyrestrtr, isnt that done when you select country ? |
| 07:46.51 | karsten | fyrestrtr: ... the zone should be there. |
| 07:47.16 | fyrestrtr | karsten: its not on the list of zones, the sarge installer had the 'other' option, here its missing. |
| 07:47.24 | sep | if you see the shortlist, then fist pick "other" |
| 07:47.36 | sep | ohh ? |
| 07:47.42 | karsten | fyrestrtr: I'm seeing it. 5 > Kuwait |
| 07:47.46 | fyrestrtr | yeah, ohh exactly. |
| 07:47.48 | sep | beta3 ? i am sure i have seen that |
| 07:47.57 | karsten | fyrestrtr: 5 == Asia. |
| 07:48.05 | karsten | fyrestrtr: ... and not in installer, running tzconfig. |
| 07:48.17 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Mind, if it's truly *not* in the installer, that's a bug. |
| 07:48.29 | fyrestrtr | yeah, that's my POINT :) |
| 07:48.39 | fyrestrtr | I know I can jump to another console and run tzconfig. |
| 07:48.47 | fyrestrtr | but it should be in the installer. |
| 07:49.03 | karsten | fyrestrtr: double check that the problem exists, if so, file bug. |
| 07:49.26 | fyrestrtr | yeah I just did check, so how do I get past this then? Select any timezone, then change it later? |
| 07:49.34 | sep | fyrestrtr, check no bug esists first |
| 07:49.39 | sep | fyrestrtr, yes |
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| 07:50.00 | fyrestrtr | and now, of course, its going to *** up my clock. |
| 07:50.11 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Sure. |
| 07:50.20 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Re-run tzselect, should Just Fix It[tm] |
| 07:50.42 | karsten | fyrestrtr: You'll have a few minutes of logs with odd timestamps. More reason to use UTC for system. |
| 07:50.43 | fyrestrtr | last time I had a clock issue, I got tons of 'mtime is in the future!' style errors. |
| 07:50.47 | fyrestrtr | hope this doesn't mess things up. |
| 07:51.04 | karsten | fyrestrtr: No, you're changing the *tz*, not the clock itself. |
| 07:51.09 | karsten | (I think) |
| 07:51.11 | fyrestrtr | hardware clock is UTC, but that doesn't even matter, since UTC isn't even an option in the timezone list. |
| 07:51.50 | karsten | fyrestrtr: 12 > GMT UTC GMT0 Zulu ... |
| 07:52.00 | fyrestrtr | the tz is there to offset from the system clock, so your file system timestamps aren't skewed. |
| 07:52.01 | karsten | fyrestrtr: ... in tzconfig |
| 07:52.13 | karsten | fyrestrtr: That's my understanding. |
| 07:52.15 | k31th | morning guys |
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| 07:52.18 | fyrestrtr | karsten: again, I'm in the *installer* -- I can't *run* tzconfig yet. |
| 07:52.25 | k31th | uhhh I need to chown some home dirs the perms are fooked this should work ok? // for i in `ls -1`; do chown -R $i:users; done |
| 07:52.28 | karsten | fyrestrtr: <alt><F2> |
| 07:52.41 | fyrestrtr | *sigh* |
| 07:52.45 | fyrestrtr | karsten: I wish you would listen. |
| 07:53.07 | karsten | k31th: looks sane. |
| 07:53.14 | Guerin | fyrestrtr: finish the install, then you can run it to your heart's content |
| 07:53.35 | cydork | k31th: should work i guess |
| 07:54.27 | k31th | aparntly not. |
| 07:54.32 | k31th | chown: too few arguments |
| 07:54.45 | karsten | k31th: chown -R $i:users $i |
| 07:54.46 | g333k | gnome or xfce ? |
| 07:54.52 | karsten | g333k: wmaker |
| 07:55.01 | karsten | !start a window manager war |
| 07:55.02 | dpkg | olwm sucks! |
| 07:55.03 | fyrestrtr | k31th: you need to tell it what to chown. |
| 07:55.04 | g333k | karsten, ;o |
| 07:55.20 | cydork | k31th: heheh |
| 07:55.31 | tralala | !stop a flame war |
| 07:55.31 | dpkg | Hey, don't we all just love Debian after all? |
| 07:55.33 | g333k | karsten, it is not a war... just preferences |
| 07:55.52 | g333k | Yeah! We love debian... we never fight |
| 07:56.15 | k31th | fyrestrtr: yeah if i want it to chown every dir in that dir ? |
| 07:56.23 | k31th | if i put * will it loop ? |
| 07:56.31 | karsten | g333k: strewth: you're free to choose, you can install several and see what you like, it's a pretty personal choice, and given the two you mention, I'd probably go with xfce |
| 07:56.37 | g333k | I have that doubt because today I tried xfce in my job and I found it very light... useful and fast |
| 07:56.40 | karsten | g333k: ... but that's just me. |
| 07:57.00 | karsten | g333k: Yeah, xfce is all of that. Missing keybindings, though, which is where wmaker wins for me. |
| 07:57.10 | g333k | karsten, I know... how long have you been using xfce? |
| 07:57.20 | fyrestrtr | k31th: your command doesn't make sense. ls -1 lists directories, and $i will be the directory name. So, chown -R user:users $i; |
| 07:57.24 | karsten | g333k: Off and on for ~4 years or so. |
| 07:57.43 | karsten | k31th: chown $i:users $i |
| 07:57.47 | g333k | karsten, Have you use it because of limitations of hardware? |
| 07:57.48 | karsten | fyrestrtr: ^^ |
| 07:57.56 | g333k | used* |
| 07:58.06 | fyrestrtr | karsten: heh, try it first before you recommend it ;) |
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| 07:58.12 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 07:58.48 | fyrestrtr | k31th: the -R will take care of that. |
| 07:58.58 | fyrestrtr | -R is recrusive. |
| 07:59.05 | cydork | k31th: if dirnames=usernames then karstens command should work |
| 07:59.10 | karsten | g333k: Because I wanted to see what it was like, on older HW, on remote sessions. |
| 07:59.33 | perlmonkey | I've just reinstalled my system from an old CD (sarge) and then did dist-upgrade, is it now safe to upgrade again to testing? |
| 07:59.43 | SerajewelKS | if i'm masquerading 192.168.1.0/24 and *my* gateway is 192.168.1.254, is the box going to "masquerade" its own connections? (which does nothing, but will burn some RAM for the NAT table.) |
| 07:59.51 | g333k | karsten, ok |
| 08:00.05 | karsten | k31th: Mind you may want to avoid recursively chwoning lost+found to user lost+found, if /home is its own filesystem. |
| 08:00.12 | karsten | chowning, even. |
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| 08:01.35 | tralala | SerajewelKS: no, it won't - local packages follow a different route than forwared ones |
| 08:01.56 | k31th | karsten: home is /home on a partition will that matter? |
| 08:02.05 | SerajewelKS | tralala: so local packets won't even hit the nat table? or just OUTPUT? |
| 08:02.18 | karsten | k31th: If you're using ext2 or ext3 (probably latter) there's a special directory called lost+found |
| 08:02.38 | perlmonkey | I've just reinstalled my system from an old CD (sarge) and then did dist-upgrade, is it now safe to upgrade again to testing? |
| 08:02.39 | karsten | k31th: It's not a user directory, it's a place to put lost inodes on fsck when there's been disk issues. Skip that in your reassignments. |
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| 08:03.08 | karsten | perlmonkey: If you're current at the prior level, yes, an upgrade to the next release should work. |
| 08:03.09 | tralala | SerajewelKS: I think so. You might want to see some docs to be sure though. |
| 08:03.09 | sep | perlmonkey, yes, but it's allways sane to look at the release notes in developement |
| 08:03.23 | karsten | perlmonkey: Note that that's "should", not "will". |
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| 08:03.40 | perlmonkey | I havent installed much so far, just the base system and the desktop environment |
| 08:03.51 | perlmonkey | so it should be straightforward eh |
| 08:03.52 | SerajewelKS | tralala: i checked.. i thought it said that local packets go OUTPUT -> POSTROUTING, forwarded go PREROUTING -> POSTROUTING |
| 08:03.55 | karsten | perlmonkey: Generally, should work. Try it and see ;-) |
| 08:04.02 | perlmonkey | do I change sarge for "testing" in the sources.list? |
| 08:04.48 | SerajewelKS | tralala: granted that was a quick google |
| 08:04.54 | k31th | karsten: its only going to chown -R it if the dir its chowning is a username other wise it will throw an error, so i should be safe karsten ? |
| 08:05.39 | tralala | SerajewelKS: I think it's recommended to use -i iface for masquerading than -s net |
| 08:05.57 | karsten | k31th: cd /home; for i in $( ls -1 ); do if [ "$i" != "lost+found" ]; then chown -R $i:users $i; fi; done |
| 08:06.11 | perlmonkey | what is testing called now |
| 08:06.37 | SerajewelKS | tralala: POSTRouting doesn't support -i |
| 08:06.47 | SerajewelKS | tralala: and see the graph at the bottom of http://home.frognet.net/~aalug/docs/iptables/node3.html |
| 08:06.49 | perlmonkey | I think its always safer to use the real release names in sources.list |
| 08:07.49 | perlmonkey | sep: whats testing release called? |
| 08:08.02 | karsten | perlmonkey: Testing. |
| 08:08.09 | karsten | perlmonkey: ... or etch, if you prefer. |
| 08:08.09 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 08:08.12 | tralala | SerajewelKS: right, well I guess you have to exclude the local IP then |
| 08:08.32 | perlmonkey | when etch becomes stable, will it still be called etch? |
| 08:08.44 | sep | perlmonkey, yes |
| 08:08.48 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 08:08.56 | SerajewelKS | tralala: well i mean it works.. but it's just not very clean |
| 08:08.58 | karsten | perlmonkey: Difference is: if you specify "etch" in /etc/apt/sources list, you follow that named release. So you'll find yourself on testing now, stable when the next Debian (etch) is released, and oldstable when the subsequent one (sarge) is released. |
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| 08:09.13 | litage | what does the "vserver" in linux-image-2.6.16-2-vserver-686 mean? |
| 08:09.28 | karsten | perlmonkey: ... after which point it becomes unsupported. If you specify "testing", you're always going to be on testing, but the named release will change. |
| 08:09.38 | karsten | litage: linux virtual servers IIRC. |
| 08:09.48 | SerajewelKS | tralala: it might not even do NAT, i don't know |
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| 08:11.33 | litage | karsten: as in linux-vserver.org ? |
| 08:11.45 | karsten | litage: Was just going to point you there. |
| 08:11.54 | litage | karsten: thanks :) |
| 08:12.09 | karsten | litage: Erm. Linux vservers. *Not* to be confused with Linux Virtual Server. |
| 08:12.53 | litage | awesome |
| 08:12.55 | perlmonkey | the debian mirror @ oxford uni is the fastest of all |
| 08:13.08 | tralala | SerajewelKS: wait a sec! You have 192.168.x.x./8 at (say) eth0 and then (say) 100.x.x.x/8 at eth1. In this case the local packets for the outside world will carry a 100.x.x.x IP and will not match the NAT rule |
| 08:13.25 | SlayerXP | perlmonkey: rubbish. my mirror let's me download stuff at nearly full gigabit ethernet speeds |
| 08:13.32 | karsten | litage: vservers is sort of a virtualization-lite trick using Linux, somewhat comperable to Sun's partitioning stuff, which I forget the name of. |
| 08:13.33 | SerajewelKS | tralala: no, that's not my setup |
| 08:13.36 | perlmonkey | SlayerXP: I dont believe you |
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| 08:13.46 | karsten | litage: Linux Virtual Server is pretty much just a networking hack. |
| 08:13.49 | SerajewelKS | tralala: i'm routing on the same interface |
| 08:13.51 | SlayerXP | perlmonkey: it's true. |
| 08:14.01 | perlmonkey | SlayerXP unless of course that mirror is on your own network :P |
| 08:14.03 | SerajewelKS | tralala: going through the box simplifies my openvpn setup a ton |
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| 08:14.05 | SlayerXP | perlmonkey: then again, my debian mirror is on the same lan segement as me |
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| 08:14.11 | perlmonkey | haha |
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| 08:14.13 | perlmonkey | i knew it |
| 08:14.22 | perlmonkey | you're a cheater |
| 08:14.28 | karsten | litage: Zones. |
| 08:14.33 | karsten | litage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines |
| 08:14.36 | tralala | SerajewelKS: oh, how does your routing table look like? |
| 08:14.38 | SlayerXP | that's not cheating, it's "solving problems creatively" |
| 08:14.53 | SerajewelKS | tralala: LAN (192.168.1.0/24) --> deb server (192.168.1.2) --> DSL modem (192.168.1.254) |
| 08:15.02 | perlmonkey | I'm upgrading my system |
| 08:15.08 | perlmonkey | i can |
| 08:15.17 | perlmonkey | expect many problems ahead |
| 08:15.23 | SerajewelKS | tralala: my openvpn subnet is 192.168.2.0/24 |
| 08:15.34 | perlmonkey | funky hardware to support |
| 08:15.45 | SerajewelKS | tralala: so with all packets going through the server, the local LAN doesn't need hardcoded routes for that subnet |
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| 08:16.31 | predder | <perlmonkey> funky hardware to support <-- I've got a board based on an ICH8 chipset enroute to me, apparently it's not even supported in 2.6.18 :'( |
| 08:16.52 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 08:16.55 | tralala | SerajewelKS: you lost me here - what's the NAT you're doing and why? |
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| 08:17.24 | SerajewelKS | tralala: you're right, i don't need nat at all, do i? |
| 08:18.08 | SerajewelKS | tralala: though having incoming data go back through the server will let me filter with more control than the modem firmware is giving me |
| 08:18.36 | SerajewelKS | tralala: basically i'm NATing because the DSL modem's interface isn't specific enough for my tatse |
| 08:18.41 | SerajewelKS | taste too |
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| 08:20.24 | tralala | SerajewelKS: I see. So you LAN has 192.168.1.2 for a default gateway? |
| 08:20.48 | SerajewelKS | tralala: now yes. i turned off the modem's dhcp server and installed one on the server |
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| 08:21.02 | SerajewelKS | tralala: the server then NATs everything to the modem, 192.168.1.254 |
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| 08:23.28 | tralala | SerajewelKS: perhaps it will be better to separate the modem into another network space. |
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| 08:24.03 | SerajewelKS | tralala: i was thinking of that too, give the server 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.3.2 and move the modem too 192.168.3.1 |
| 08:24.20 | SerajewelKS | s/too/to/ |
| 08:24.22 | tralala | then the debian server will have two addresses on the same interface and the routing will basically go as if you had two nics |
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| 08:24.30 | SerajewelKS | tralala: right |
| 08:24.37 | digit | hi all |
| 08:24.40 | SerajewelKS | tralala: but i can't do that remotely =) |
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| 08:25.09 | SerajewelKS | tralala: i'll have to wait till i go home next |
| 08:25.12 | tralala | SerajewelKS: you could, but you're not allowed to do any mistakes ;) |
| 08:25.20 | SerajewelKS | tralala: no not even that |
| 08:25.32 | SerajewelKS | tralala: i can't change the modem's IP and the server's gateway at once |
| 08:25.50 | SerajewelKS | tralala: unless i use cron to make the change on the server but let's not talk about that =) |
| 08:26.27 | tralala | SerajewelKS: yeah, I guess it's simply better to wait 'till you get home :) |
| 08:26.56 | SerajewelKS | tralala: reconfiguring the modem and all is scary enough |
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| 08:27.28 | tralala | SerajewelKS: actually you can avoid reconfiguring the modem and reconfigure the LAN to a new network instead |
| 08:27.30 | Tallu | how can I keep X from starting up after boot? |
| 08:27.42 | SerajewelKS | tralala: hmm... true... |
| 08:27.45 | SlayerXP | !tell tallu about nodm |
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| 08:27.59 | SerajewelKS | tralala: well it's 4:30 and i have work at 10 so i'd better go. thanks for the ideas. |
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| 08:28.20 | tralala | SerajewelKS.: you're welcome |
| 08:28.24 | tralala | good luck |
| 08:28.31 | SerajewelKS | tralala: thanks |
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| 08:37.08 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 08:37.20 | Tallu | Hello :) |
| 08:37.29 | tengulre | how to install developtor man pages? 'man dlopen'. |
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| 08:38.13 | dondelelcaro | tengulre: they're in manpages-dev |
| 08:38.17 | dondelelcaro | !tell tengulre -about pdo |
| 08:38.43 | dondelelcaro | tengulre: the last search set on pdo would have enabled you to find it as well; /msg dpkg search; has some more information too |
| 08:38.56 | tengulre | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
| 08:39.04 | dondelelcaro | tengulre: np |
| 08:41.31 | Tallu | Wow.. I've been without internet for nearly 3 weeks. And now, they've plugged it back in. :) |
| 08:41.53 | TARZEAU | if i remove ide-scsi module /dev/cdrom is not valid anymore |
| 08:42.00 | TARZEAU | who will fix the symlink of /dev/cdrom ? |
| 08:42.13 | TARZEAU | is the debian installer really only the place where debian sets /dev/cdrom ? |
| 08:42.28 | dondelelcaro | TARZEAU: udev does it too |
| 08:42.33 | dondelelcaro | (as does MAKEDEV) |
| 08:42.46 | TARZEAU | dondelelcaro: i don't use udev, so i could just run MAKEDEV cdrom in /dev ? |
| 08:42.55 | dondelelcaro | TARZEAU: or just use ln to symlink it |
| 08:43.06 | TARZEAU | dondelelcaro: well i don't want to figure out which it is... |
| 08:43.12 | dondelelcaro | (it's just a symlink to hdc or whatever is appropriate) |
| 08:43.23 | TARZEAU | dondelelcaro: does MAKEDEV automatically set cdrom to the right device? hdc or sdwhatever? |
| 08:43.31 | fyrestrtr | ermm .. 'Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. This is a fatal error. :| |
| 08:43.31 | TARZEAU | ./MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "cdrom" |
| 08:43.34 | TARZEAU | of course it doesn't |
| 08:43.55 | TARZEAU | dondelelcaro: how can i use udev to make sure cdrom points to the first optical device? |
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| 08:45.23 | fyrestrtr | any ideas on how to fix that? grub-install does not support --no-floppy, then Running chroot /target /sbin/grub-install --recheck "(hd0)" chroot: cannot execut /sbin/grub-install: No such file or directory |
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| 08:46.27 | fyrestrtr | nevermind, lilo ftw :) |
| 08:46.33 | TARZEAU | dondelelcaro: after all debian starts setting it up for me, why can it do it properly? or leave it all away |
| 08:46.44 | TARZEAU | dondelelcaro: do you know if this FINALLY gets fixed for etch? |
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| 08:47.55 | fyrestrtr | how do I search for *only* virtual packages? |
| 08:48.15 | simonrvn | why the grub packager decide to stick the executables in /usr/sbin...? |
| 08:48.20 | simonrvn | did the* |
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| 08:48.26 | Nukular_ | oh hi |
| 08:48.34 | TARZEAU | simonrvn: ask him? |
| 08:48.34 | simonrvn | that makes no sense to me whatsoever... it's a bootloader |
| 08:48.43 | TARZEAU | simonrvn: debian FHS |
| 08:48.51 | TARZEAU | simonrvn: it doesn't make sens to me either |
| 08:49.01 | TARZEAU | simonrvn: who exactly did that change? and why? |
| 08:49.08 | Nukular_ | when i try to use "apt-get update" it says "500 ( Not implemented )", what causes that problem? |
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| 08:51.27 | Nukular_ | hm nobody has an idea? |
| 08:52.44 | simonrvn | Nukular_: what's the protocol involved? |
| 08:53.31 | Nukular_ | which protocol? i have changed anything on the apt-settings ... |
| 08:54.18 | simonrvn | no.. http, ftp? |
| 08:55.20 | wdamn | what if I've got no lo net interface up? |
| 08:55.34 | simonrvn | nothing else will come up |
| 08:56.07 | Nukular_ | ah |
| 08:56.16 | wdamn | ah |
| 08:56.17 | Nukular_ | is use http ... |
| 08:56.27 | k31th | example. bob.smith@ihatethisclient.com is the email addres the username is bob // bob still gets mail for bob@ihatethisclient.com // i dont want this does anyone have any ideas ? i wont want bob to get mail for bob.smith@ |
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| 08:56.39 | simonrvn | Nukular_: pick another mirror. easiest |
| 08:56.54 | Nukular_ | simonrvn: i tried serveral ... no one is working |
| 08:57.11 | simonrvn | then it's your apt, or something |
| 08:57.13 | cydork | TARZEAU: hey you had a small how about packaging on linuks.minu.nu right? |
| 08:57.19 | simonrvn | or something in-between |
| 08:57.19 | cydork | s/how/howto/ |
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| 08:58.01 | TARZEAU | cydork: howto on what? |
| 08:58.14 | TARZEAU | cydork: i want to update the linux kiosk howto, but the author doesn't answer |
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| 08:58.18 | simonrvn | new maintainer's guide basically |
| 08:58.35 | cydork | TARZEAU: debian packaging.. |
| 08:58.44 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 08:58.44 | dpkg | somebody said nmg was Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 08:59.35 | Sp4rKy | hi |
| 09:00.36 | TARZEAU | cydork: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/ you mean |
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| 09:01.06 | roger21 | hi |
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| 09:02.02 | Sp4rKY | i would know how many block ere there in 1Go |
| 09:02.04 | roger21 | how does glxgears not display any fps informations ? |
| 09:02.07 | Sp4rKY | on ext3 part |
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| 09:02.49 | Sp4rKY | ls |
| 09:02.50 | raj | hi all |
| 09:02.58 | Sp4rKY | oups |
| 09:03.04 | ThomasPorter | Hi, according to virtualmin I need to "No virtual domains file was found in your Postfix configuration. Maybe no virtual domain map has been defined." what does this mean? |
| 09:03.06 | blondie | wtf is "1Go"? |
| 09:03.12 | raj | how to test the reverse lookup in bind |
| 09:03.45 | roger21 | 1GB |
| 09:03.56 | cydork | TARZEAU: no not that, there was one about linda and all. i remember it was about howto build debian packages or something. |
| 09:04.00 | raj | howto test reverse lookup working |
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| 09:04.41 | Sp4rKY | blondie: yes it's 1Gb, sorry i'm french |
| 09:04.46 | TARZEAU | cydork: yes that's that, check the same link with debian-packaging/ |
| 09:05.03 | blondie | hm |
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| 09:05.15 | cydork | TARZEAU: ya got it http://www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ :P |
| 09:05.20 | Nukular_ | hm ok forget apt-get ;) |
| 09:05.30 | cydork | TARZEAU: thanks |
| 09:05.32 | Nukular_ | is there an apache2 mod called: mod_auth_sspi |
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| 09:06.21 | incorrect | does openvpn come with the ldap plugin? |
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| 09:06.43 | Nukular_ | do u ask that me? |
| 09:06.47 | Sp4rKY | blondie: any idea ? |
| 09:06.54 | Sp4rKY | nobody use quota here ? |
| 09:06.55 | perlmonkey | X cannot start: X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting |
| 09:07.11 | blondie | hello perlmonkey! |
| 09:07.20 | blondie | Sp4rKY: umm dunno |
| 09:07.20 | perlmonkey | blondie! hello |
| 09:07.35 | Sp4rKY | k |
| 09:08.44 | perlmonkey | I seem to be having a spot of bother |
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| 09:09.14 | roger21 | Sp4rKY, be carefull with b and B, b is for bit and B is for byte (octet) |
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| 09:10.15 | roger21 | btw fdisk display some information about it i believe |
| 09:10.37 | roger21 | dam i'm talking alone |
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| 09:11.25 | cydork | perlmonkey: do you have xserver installed? |
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| 09:11.57 | perlmonkey | cydork: oops, it seems that was an oversight |
| 09:12.32 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.43 | Sp4rKY_ | so nobody using quota ... |
| 09:12.46 | perlmonkey | when I chose a desktop environment on aptitude i assumed it would install xserver |
| 09:13.16 | cydork | perlmonkey: just check if it's installed with dpkg -l |
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| 09:14.59 | Guerin | perlmonkey: why would it, when a gui doesn't require a local x server |
| 09:15.46 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 09:15.58 | perlmonkey | whats is the difference between keyboards pc102 and pc105 |
| 09:16.07 | Guerin | perlmonkey: number of keys |
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| 09:16.17 | cydork | perlmonkey: the pc105 has "any key" |
| 09:16.24 | perlmonkey | I have one of those tiny Cherry keyboards (compact size) which has a £ sign |
| 09:16.24 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:16.32 | perlmonkey | is that pc105? |
| 09:16.48 | Guerin | !htfswk perlmonkey |
| 09:16.49 | dpkg | perlmonkey: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 09:16.53 | raf256 | why there is still no up to date apache + php? |
| 09:16.59 | perlmonkey | :-< |
| 09:17.06 | Guerin | raf256: of course there is. Always has been. |
| 09:17.16 | raf256 | the new apache (Without the exploit) is not compatible with mod apache4 and php4, in testign |
| 09:17.19 | perlmonkey | i must take a guess and hope its right one |
| 09:17.30 | Guerin | raf256: that's testing for ya |
| 09:17.43 | Guerin | raf256: why are you using it for a server anyway? |
| 09:17.49 | raf256 | Guerin: ok, I have stable repositories as well, should I install stables apache2 + php + mysql ? |
| 09:18.00 | raf256 | Guerin: just a small local server, its mainly a deskto |
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| 09:18.22 | Guerin | raf256: no. Mixing distributions is like mixing drugs. Only do it if you're really smart and are still prepared to die |
| 09:18.23 | floundering | Hi, I am using debmirror for stable binary-i386, and apt-proxy for sources backports etc, but I am having trouble getting debian-multimedia.org to cooperate the error says service unavailable? |
| 09:18.35 | Guerin | raf256: then why do you care about the exploit? |
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| 09:20.58 | raf256 | Guerin: well I would like to have not exploitable services runing on inet connected box |
| 09:21.04 | raf256 | despite the firewalls etc |
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| 09:21.28 | raf256 | Guerin: even if it is testing.. it takes them 2 weeks to recompile php4 to match patched apache2 ? |
| 09:21.58 | Guerin | raf256: but you said it's only a small local server |
| 09:22.08 | raf256 | yeap |
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| 09:22.18 | dondelelcaro | raf256: there's nothing stoping you from helping out with the testing-security initiative |
| 09:22.36 | dondelelcaro | rebuilding a package against what you've currently got installed in testing is fairly trivial |
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| 09:23.09 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: hmm ok, I hope to have some free time in feew weeks |
| 09:23.27 | raf256 | imho in additon it would be cool to have some payable debian |
| 09:23.39 | Guerin | raf256: nobody's stopping you |
| 09:23.45 | stew | raf256: exactly which vulnerability are you talking about? |
| 09:23.50 | raf256 | like, I am happy yo pay like 10 $ / year, and it gives money to few additional full-time devels |
| 09:23.53 | liable | whats got exploits? |
| 09:24.06 | Guerin | liable: raf256's brain |
| 09:24.13 | raf256 | Guerin: stop beeing assholish |
| 09:24.16 | g_o_o_d_day | i found on net that due to buildin support for IPSEC in the kernel 2.6.8 which is in sarge 3.1r1 how can i get ipsec+ interface |
| 09:24.18 | psycodad | moin, i have a brandnew fujitsu rx220 and i want debian on it. Now the Broadcom GbitIFs are not recognized but I have a free PCI-X 64bit and a PCI Express Slot...Any recommendations for a good and sarge supported network card for one of those Slots ?? TIA |
| 09:24.18 | liable | Guerin: heh |
| 09:24.37 | Guerin | raf256: $10/year buys five minutes of dev time per year |
| 09:24.42 | sep | raf256, http://www.debian.org/donations |
| 09:24.49 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.49 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.49 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.52 | Guerin | raf256: in other words, enough time to log in and MAYBE check email |
| 09:24.57 | raf256 | whoops, that supposed to be one line |
| 09:25.28 | raf256 | Guerin: in poland 10$ is hour of devel work |
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| 09:25.52 | g_o_o_d_day | I want to know which module i need to install so that i get ipsec+ interface ? |
| 09:26.01 | undesktop | is there any chance for suspend2 to make it into the Debian kernel? |
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| 09:26.02 | raf256 | meany games cost like 5 usd |
| 09:26.02 | Guerin | raf256: windows VB.NET maybe |
| 09:26.04 | Kermit | hi! ich hab ein kleines problem mit LVM, wer wär so nett es sich anzuhörn? :) |
| 09:26.21 | Kermit | oh... sorry this channel is in english... |
| 09:26.23 | Guerin | Kermit: you have ein klenes problem mit der englisch |
| 09:26.32 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:26.41 | Kermit | ok, still sleeping :) |
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| 09:27.00 | raf256 | stew: also: Added '055_expect_CVE-2006-3918' to fix XSS attack in Expect headers [CVE-2006-3918]. (Closes: #381376) |
| 09:27.13 | Kermit | well, i have a problem with LVM-- i cant figure out how to map my volumegroup into a /dev/ hierarchy |
| 09:27.21 | Guerin | eew, lvm |
| 09:27.40 | Kermit | its not that evil-- |
| 09:28.17 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:28.40 | perlmonkey | i have installed xorg and xserver, and xserver-common etc, but I cannot start X, neither by startx, nor X |
| 09:28.43 | perlmonkey | what gives? |
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| 09:28.59 | Kermit | my volumegroup is called "lvm", and a file "dev/lvm" is created. but i need a directory /dev/lvm with my volumes in it... how can this be done? |
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| 09:29.30 | cydork | Guerin: <karsten>: fyrestrtr: LVM _totally_ scores you the chicks in bars. |
| 09:29.33 | stew | raf256 that second one is done, the first has a patch available it looks like |
| 09:30.02 | Kermit | any ideas??? |
| 09:30.26 | raf256 | stew: yes they are fixed, by tryping to upgrade to that fixed version trigger removal of php4 on my testing |
| 09:30.40 | raf256 | Kermit: I dont know LVM |
| 09:30.46 | stew | raf256: oh, wait. if you are this concerned with security. why are you running testing? |
| 09:31.11 | raf256 | bewcause I use software not available in stable. |
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| 09:31.26 | stew | raf256: can't you backport that software? |
| 09:31.41 | undesktop | perlmonkey: try installing xbase-clients |
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| 09:31.44 | raf256 | stew: hmm I dunno, how to check it? |
| 09:31.52 | perlmonkey | undesktop: thanks |
| 09:31.58 | stew | raf256: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 09:32.34 | psycodad | anybody any recommendations for a sarge supported network card (pci Express or pci 64) ?? Offering as much free beer as one can drink for a good hint ;-) |
| 09:32.35 | undesktop | perlmonkey: just a guess... that package contains startx |
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| 09:35.05 | bonez39 | how do I determine where debian boots from? which drive? |
| 09:36.01 | tralala | bonez39: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 09:37.18 | bonez39 | tralala, scott@fyrenice:~$ cat /proc/cmdline |
| 09:37.18 | bonez39 | root=/dev/hde1 ro |
| 09:37.50 | bonez39 | that's the output....YET....if I remove /dev/hda and /dev/hdb.... the system fails to boot up from /dev/hde1 |
| 09:37.51 | tralala | bonez39: there - it boots from hde1 |
| 09:38.20 | bonez39 | tralala, but it won't boot..it hangs at start before it loads anything other than the SATA driver for hde |
| 09:38.36 | tralala | bonez39: which boot loader are you using? |
| 09:38.40 | cydork | tralala: that's the root dir.. |
| 09:39.28 | bonez39 | tralala, grub |
| 09:40.02 | tralala | bonez39: then check /boot/grub/menu.lst - it will be there |
| 09:40.12 | bonez39 | cydork, somehow, it requires these other drives....hda or hdb to boot up.....it's like it momently reads something off those and then hands control over to debian off of hde |
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| 09:42.11 | cydork | bonez39: you have grub on mbr of the first disk or something? |
| 09:42.28 | bonez39 | cydork, yeah, I believe that MUST be what my situation is... |
| 09:42.53 | bonez39 | I originally had my linux installation on hda...and then expanded with this SATA drive.... |
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| 09:43.08 | bonez39 | how do I move grub from MBR of first disk now over to the SATA drive? |
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| 09:43.21 | bonez39 | cydork, that's what i need to accomplish |
| 09:43.23 | liable_ | dah |
| 09:43.27 | perlmonkey | this is starting to do my nut |
| 09:43.43 | perlmonkey | : /etc/X11/X is not executable |
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| 09:44.16 | liable_ | perlmonkey: what does it link to? |
| 09:44.22 | streuner | !backup mbr |
| 09:44.22 | dpkg | backup mbr is probably "dd if=/dev/hda of=/somefile bs=512 count=1" where hda is your hard drive (could be hdb hdc sda?) and somefile is where to write the data to |
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| 09:44.59 | cydork | bonez39: ^^ |
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| 09:45.19 | kingpin | hi, iam having a strange problem with my p4-notebook +smp +htt (with every kernl-ver i tested 2.6.8 to current, vanilla, ck and mm patchsets). with htt enabled it runs for a random amout of time (1 to 10h) then the clock begins running too slow and eventually stops (resulting in a comlete freeze). with smp turned off everthing runs just fine. nothing of interest in dmesg,syslog etc. anyone heard of this behaviour before? |
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| 09:46.20 | konsvald | how to set-up a cdrw drive FOR ETCH WITH KERNEL-2.6.8? is it just right-click on the desktop->create new device? |
| 09:46.34 | perlmonkey | liable_: /usr/bin/Xorg |
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| 09:47.10 | liable_ | perlmonkey: check bts for xserver-xorg-core |
| 09:47.14 | power | hello,can anyone help me with this: http://paste.linux-sevenler.org/goster.php?no=574 |
| 09:47.29 | konsvald | and use /dev/hdc for device? |
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| 09:48.45 | konsvald | i can't even get answer for this? |
| 09:49.34 | bonez39 | cydork, will the mbr install OK on /dev/hde1? do I need to create space for it first there? |
| 09:49.47 | perlmonkey | liable_ it seems xserver-xorg-core wasnt installed, its starting now, but failed due to no mouse configured/detected |
| 09:50.13 | liable_ | perlmonkey: so reconfigure x :) |
| 09:50.22 | perlmonkey | :) |
| 09:51.33 | cydork | bonez39: install it on /dev/hde |
| 09:52.02 | perlmonkey | whats the switch/filename for dpkg reconfigure? |
| 09:52.15 | liable_ | !drxx perlmonkey |
| 09:52.15 | dpkg | perlmonkey: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 09:52.43 | perlmonkey | its like...whoever coded dpkg discarded all the most obvious options and came up with the most difficult one they could think of |
| 09:52.49 | perlmonkey | liable_ thanks |
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| 09:53.21 | liable_ | no worries |
| 09:53.47 | konsvald | wtfwtfwtf.. |
| 09:54.04 | perlmonkey | someone else is having a bad day also |
| 09:54.34 | konsvald | can't even mount a cd, wtf is happening? |
| 09:55.05 | liable_ | whats the error? |
| 09:55.29 | perlmonkey | xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X: file has been customized o.O |
| 09:55.41 | perlmonkey | whhhhhhhy |
| 09:55.42 | konsvald | bad fs, or bad superblock .. |
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| 09:56.25 | liable_ | konsvald: tried another cd? |
| 09:56.37 | konsvald | tried several |
| 09:56.38 | liable_ | perlmonkey: i usually ignore that error |
| 09:56.43 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 09:56.54 | g_o_o_d_day | I found following on debian website "If you want to use the KLIPS IPSec code for kernel modules instead of the native ones, you will need to install either openswan-modules-source or linux-patch-openswan and build the respective modules for your kernel." I am having sarge 3.1r1 now how can i build respective modules please ? |
| 09:57.05 | cydork | !tell perlmonkey about xserver-xorg postinst warning |
| 09:57.43 | liable_ | ooh, theres a factoid for that? |
| 09:57.45 | perlmonkey | bugger, my video driver is not listed on X configure :-/ mine should be mga, theres only 3 options, neomagic, siliconmotion and voodoo. I need to get something else eh |
| 09:57.50 | fyrestrtr | g_o_o_d_day: I would think with module-assistant |
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| 09:58.05 | liable_ | perlmonkey: xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 09:58.28 | perlmonkey | thanks, liable_ is there an easier way to ensure you have all this shit and not have to keep encountering these probs? |
| 09:58.58 | liable_ | perlmonkey: xorg should pull in all that stuff |
| 10:00.03 | dorel__ | if sshd_config contain usePam Yes then it must use pam.d for authentication no? |
| 10:00.14 | g_o_o_d_day | fyrestrtr : how can i use module-assistant to create module please |
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| 10:01.43 | perlmonkey | EE: failed to load module "mouse" (does not exist) EE: Unable to find a valid framebuffer device. MGA: Failed to open framebuffer device. EE: screens found, but none with usable config |
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| 10:02.35 | perlmonkey | its a f'kin mouse! the modules should be loaded by kernel! |
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| 10:03.37 | goki___ | Is disc 1 of the weekly testing jigdo broken? |
| 10:03.49 | goki___ | I've tried to download it several times, the other discs work but not 1 |
| 10:04.02 | fyrestrtr | can someone give me a one-liner to kill a connection from 192.168.1.69 using iptables? |
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| 10:04.19 | bonez39 | cydork, ok, I think I found the mbr..and backed it up from /dev/hda1 .. is there a way to read it...to make sure it's the right mbr? |
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| 10:04.48 | tralala | fyrestrtr: local or forwarded? |
| 10:04.50 | cydork | bonez39: boot it :P |
| 10:04.56 | liable_ | perlmonkey: have you got xserver-xorg-input-mouse? |
| 10:05.03 | liable_ | perlmonkey: and modprobe mousedev |
| 10:05.10 | perlmonkey | liable_ phew, i just managed to get that from debian packages search |
| 10:05.24 | perlmonkey | i dont know why xorg didnt grab all this as you said |
| 10:05.26 | tralala | fyrestrtr: and also a specific connection or all of the connections? |
| 10:05.28 | perlmonkey | thanks |
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| 10:05.47 | goki___ | Nobody has downloaded testing using jigdo this week? |
| 10:06.23 | tralala | goki___: what is the problem with the 1 disc? |
| 10:06.25 | bonez39 | cydork, ok...do I write it back out, just like i restored, using dd if=mbr.backupa of=/dev/hde bs=512 count=1 ?? |
| 10:07.37 | goki___ | tralala: it downloads everything, then claims it missed out 3 packages |
| 10:07.49 | goki___ | tralala: running again downloads those 3 packages, then fails again |
| 10:08.08 | goki___ | tralala: from reading the message at the end, it seems this is something to do with packages changing on the server? |
| 10:08.21 | perlmonkey | what is a "framebuffer device" a graphics card? |
| 10:08.22 | goki___ | tralala: I've given up, I'm just downloading ISO's, but its a pain |
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| 10:09.31 | perlmonkey | EE: Unable to find a valid framebuffer device. MGA: Failed to open framebuffer device. EE: screens found, but none with usable config |
| 10:09.34 | tralala | goki___: it is possible that new packages have entered testing and now the checksums don't match. It is also possible that you're using a corrupted mirror. |
| 10:09.50 | goki___ | tralala: same with uk, us and just ftp.debian.org |
| 10:09.54 | goki___ | tralala: I didn't try any more |
| 10:10.13 | liable_ | perlmonkey: reconfigure withut framebuffer, or modprobe blah-fb |
| 10:10.22 | tralala | goki___: you can edit the .jigdo file and put the actual checksums of these packages then |
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| 10:11.20 | perlmonkey | liable_ thanks, Xorg log reports a ton of errors for /dev/fb# |
| 10:11.45 | goki___ | tralala: ah right, well I've got the ISOs now, but I was just wondering why it happened, seems like if it's a good thing to use jigdo, it should be a little easier :) Every time I've got debian, I've given jigdo a go, and it hasn't worked yet |
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| 10:15.48 | liable_ | !qotd0 |
| 10:15.49 | dpkg | <mdadmtime> what does it mean if a raid array has state "dirty"? <asg> mdadmtime: it previously stored pr0n |
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| 10:16.23 | tralala | goki___: given that testing is not released you cannot expect it to stay unchanged for too long. It's hardly jigdo's fault |
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| 10:18.07 | doublehp | critical issue : during testing netinst, /boot has kernels but no grub sub-dir, thus, cant install MBR (missing stages); are stages somewhere else ? is grub package broken ? else ? |
| 10:18.09 | goki___ | tralala: right, just seems like if it changes on a regular basis, and that breaks it, it's pretty useless :) But I didn't mean to whine, I was just curious, I shan't bother using it again :) |
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| 10:19.13 | liable_ | doublehp: hrm, have you tried going back a step in the installer and trying again? |
| 10:19.48 | tralala | goki___: it's pretty useful for stable and even for testing when you have images of a recent version of testing. |
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| 10:20.03 | doublehp | liable_: 3 times; fact is, /target/usr/sbin/grub runs fine when I use apropriate chroot (due to libs loading problems of course ) |
| 10:20.34 | liable_ | doublehp: you are debootstrapping? |
| 10:20.49 | goki___ | tralala: ah yes I guess for stable. I would have thought that if all the versions on testing repositories match up at any given time, jigdo could just get the most recent package, and rely on that, but I don't really understand how it works |
| 10:21.08 | doublehp | liable_: netinst testing CD ... thus, I have to solve this bug *now* cant reboot any thing ... |
| 10:21.48 | doublehp | liable_: what the hell are stages doing in /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/ ???? (holy find |grep ! ) |
| 10:22.00 | liable_ | doublehp: can you unpack the deb manually and put the dir there? |
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| 10:22.43 | doublehp | i ll try manual copy of that dir .... to /boot where it ought to have been from start ! |
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| 10:25.03 | eXiSt | i do load balancing with ip route multipath function. i have 2 isp and 1 local interface. ISP's subnets are different.I m trying to code a shell script that pings hosts from interfaces and check the state of interfaces. There is a assumption there is gateway 1 and gateway 2. Script ping google from the gateways every 120 sec.When it realize gateway1 is down it deletes the gateway one route. But i couldnt solve how i can check if gateway is up or not again? |
| 10:26.16 | tralala | eXiSt: /msg dpkg lartc |
| 10:27.00 | eXiSt | tralala i know lartc. i did my iproute scr according to lartc |
| 10:27.19 | eXiSt | but dead gateway detection can be done when first hop goes down |
| 10:27.38 | eXiSt | if second or third hop goes done kernel cant detect it |
| 10:27.40 | tralala | eXiSt: isn't your scenario covered there? |
| 10:27.56 | eXiSt | so you have to ping somewhere by a scr |
| 10:28.04 | eXiSt | it covers some parts only |
| 10:28.54 | eXiSt | in my scenerio : 10.0.1.1 is interface and 10.0.1.2 is gateway and 192.168.1.1 is the other interface and 192.168.1.2 is gateway |
| 10:29.35 | eXiSt | ip route add default table 100 nexthop via 81.215.132.15 dev ppp0 nexthop via 213.139.140.55 dev eth2 |
| 10:29.43 | perlmonkey | how can i verify what graphics card my system has |
| 10:29.45 | eXiSt | u balance these scenerio like that |
| 10:30.01 | enouf | perlmonkey: use lspci |
| 10:30.04 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 10:30.21 | eXiSt | but if your script deletes the first gateway |
| 10:30.48 | eXiSt | you cant ping outside from deleted one as the other gateway is default gateway |
| 10:30.53 | eXiSt | am i wrong? |
| 10:31.25 | perlmonkey | I dont get it. I have configured xorg xserver with and without frame buttering, i have selected the correct graphics adaptor card driver, i have the driver installed, and yet it STILL craps out on frame buffer error |
| 10:31.46 | tralala | eXiSt: don't delete it - just switch the priorities |
| 10:32.22 | kingpin_23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.16 | eXiSt | tralala how can u switch it by ip route? |
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| 10:33.37 | eXiSt | if i delete the iptables snat rule is it work? |
| 10:34.35 | eXiSt | but if one of the gateway is down i cant connect anywhere unless i delete the dead one |
| 10:34.50 | eXiSt | iptables doesnt work in that scenerio |
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| 10:36.45 | perlmonkey | EE: Unable to find a valid framebuffer device. MGA: Failed to open framebuffer device. EE: screens found, but none with usable config |
| 10:36.47 | perlmonkey | any ideas? |
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| 10:42.07 | liable_ | perlmonkey: are you sure your config has framebuffer disabled? |
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| 10:44.31 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 10:44.42 | perlmonkey | liable_ dmesg: vesafb: probe of vesafb0 failed with error -6 (dmesg) |
| 10:44.48 | perlmonkey | not good eh |
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| 10:45.02 | perlmonkey | i cant see any module loaded in dmesg or reference to my graphics adaptor |
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| 10:45.46 | liable_ | perlmonkey: dunno, ask google i guess |
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| 10:45.51 | perlmonkey | lsmod > vesafb (not in use) |
| 10:45.57 | perlmonkey | this sux |
| 10:46.45 | doublehp | liable_: after some manual boot, and more manual update-grub ... *it works* and boot "automatically" ... but still, update-grub sets option savedefault, and MBR complains: file not found ... until I remove savedefault line .... |
| 10:47.00 | jweiss | has anybody sarge working with nvidia nForce network card? |
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| 10:49.17 | wols_ | jweiss: modprobe forcedeth |
| 10:49.58 | jweiss | is forcedeth includeded in sarge kernels? |
| 10:50.07 | wols_ | 2.6.8 it is |
| 10:50.15 | wols_ | dunno about the 2.4 one, but 2.6.8 is in sarge |
| 10:50.37 | jweiss | ok, thanks very much! |
| 10:53.27 | liable_ | doublehp: hrm, i dont know what sets that savedefault option, try alternative=false |
| 10:54.20 | doublehp | liable_: problem is that update-grub sets unsuported options ! until I remove them manually ! leads to unconsistent system, and of course *unbootable* ! |
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| 10:55.18 | liable_ | doublehp: check the automagic section and try alternatives=false as i said |
| 10:55.35 | liable_ | doublehp: the automagic section writes shit when update-grub is run |
| 10:56.16 | liable_ | doublehp: you can run update-grub after editing to see what its changed without rebooting.. |
| 10:56.52 | doublehp | liable_: I nuderstand what you mean ... answer when new kernel is downloaded |
| 10:57.25 | liable_ | doublehp: yes, and that section is whats read when a kernel is installed... dpkg runs update-grub... |
| 10:57.37 | doublehp | liable_: wont solve: still savedefault; but supresses the alternative with option single |
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| 10:58.16 | jweiss | forcedeth does not provide a ethernet device for my nForce nic... |
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| 10:59.18 | doublehp | liable_: hell: apt linux will NOT update grub ! how do I already have such a broken systrem ? |
| 11:00.27 | liable_ | doublehp: i dunno, havent heard of anyone having such grub problems on install :/ |
| 11:00.55 | Piet | i heard about this happening on ubuntu |
| 11:01.02 | Piet | but then, that's just ubuntu |
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| 11:01.29 | perlmonkey | hmmm |
| 11:01.46 | liable_ | doublehp: it wont update grub if a newer version isnt available |
| 11:01.47 | doublehp | liable_: /me *ALWAYS* have problems ... |
| 11:02.00 | Piet | how can i make apt ignore the dependencies or just one specific dependency of a given package? |
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| 11:02.17 | perlmonkey | I solved my graphics card problem, but now X is refusing to start because no pointing device, cannot open /dev/input/mice no such device :-/ |
| 11:02.28 | perlmonkey | im using a usb logitech optical mouse, any ideas? |
| 11:02.34 | liable_ | doublehp: oh well, you'll get good at debioan quickly :) |
| 11:02.46 | liable_ | !usbmouse |
| 11:02.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
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| 11:03.05 | perlmonkey | thanks liable |
| 11:03.09 | liable_ | np |
| 11:03.26 | liable_ | as it says, you shuold only need to do 5 |
| 11:03.37 | liable_ | perlmonkey: btw what was the fb problem? |
| 11:03.37 | Piet | liable_: got one for me, too? :) |
| 11:03.39 | syntaxx | perlmonkey, use gpm |
| 11:04.03 | syntaxx | perlmonkey, we have the same mouse though |
| 11:04.08 | Piet | is there a list of all triggers the dpkg bot knows btw? |
| 11:04.15 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 11:04.25 | liable_ | Piet: /msg dpkg your factoids |
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| 11:05.14 | perlmonkey | liable_ I checked the xorg.conf and kernel buffering was set to true, so I changed to false, I also changed the maximum resolution lower, problem went away after I restarted |
| 11:05.25 | Piet | see, dpkg is frightened of my factoids |
| 11:05.30 | liable_ | perlmonkey: right |
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| 11:06.18 | Piet | afraid of even |
| 11:06.43 | liable_ | hes back |
| 11:08.18 | perlmonkey | suntaxx: what does your mouse config look like for x? |
| 11:08.22 | tralala | !your factoids |
| 11:08.22 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 11:08.24 | liable_ | Piet: you cant really make apt ignore dependancies, you can manually install with dpkg |
| 11:08.27 | doublehp | liable_: I have moved /boot/grub/stage1 some where else ... apt-get remove grub complains dir is not empty and cant remove it ... after re-installing grub and grub2, stage1 is not installed in /boot/grub !!! what could prevent this package do whats required ? (I wd even say *mandatory for a sane system ) |
| 11:08.55 | liable_ | doublehp: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 11:09.14 | doublehp | !tell me about confmiss |
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| 11:09.26 | liable_ | why not /msg? |
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| 11:10.02 | doublehp | liable_: no confmiss problem, but "binary miss" problem ! stage1 is not a conf file, but like I d say ... /bin/bash for bash package ! |
| 11:10.25 | doublehp | liable_: "/" key is shifted on my board .... I m lame :) |
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| 11:14.15 | Piet | Thanks tralala |
| 11:14.24 | Piet | + liable_ |
| 11:15.07 | fyrestrtr | guys, I'm having a problem starting up xserver-xorg on a new install from the etch netinstall cd. |
| 11:15.21 | fyrestrtr | the server won't install because it can't find any fonts. |
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| 11:15.38 | Piet | cydork: :-) |
| 11:15.44 | liable_ | cydork: i just have irssi automatically open a query with dpkg when i start :) |
| 11:15.48 | daveb | is there a way to trigger GAIM to reconnect when resuming frm suspend-to-ram ? |
| 11:16.18 | cydork | liable_: na i have a local database :P |
| 11:16.27 | liable_ | doublehp: is your net connection working? most clients have a timeout you can set |
| 11:16.33 | liable_ | daveb: ^^ |
| 11:17.07 | doublehp | liable_: up and working ... after apt-get remove/clean/install grub, it downloaded package no problem |
| 11:17.32 | liable_ | doublehp: all fixed then? |
| 11:18.01 | doublehp | liable_: no: update-grub still puts savedefault line the MBR cant stand |
| 11:18.24 | doublehp | and installing packages will NO create stages at the right place |
| 11:19.14 | liable_ | doublehp: is /boot on a seperate partition? |
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| 11:20.53 | yang | why don't people remove the buggy PHPBB package out of etch? |
| 11:20.59 | yang | my server got rooted over that |
| 11:21.36 | liable_ | yang: thats why we suggest you run stable on servers |
| 11:21.55 | doublehp | liable_: yes ... automounted as usual |
| 11:21.56 | cydork | yang: it's etch. it's testing. |
| 11:22.32 | yang | cydork: yes but sarge doesnt have moinmoin, wordpress and those extra things |
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| 11:22.50 | tralala | yang: why do people keep running servers on anything but stable? |
| 11:23.09 | raf256 | hotplug is "better" then udev or viseversa? |
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| 11:23.18 | raf256 | as in.. udev can do all that hotplug does right? |
| 11:23.25 | tralala | yes |
| 11:23.26 | liable_ | yang: best to use sarge and backports |
| 11:23.31 | stew | raf256: depends on which udev version |
| 11:23.32 | cydork | yang: you can try backports for certain things i guess. but it's not very secure too |
| 11:23.37 | raf256 | stew: testing |
| 11:23.59 | stew | raf256: then yes |
| 11:24.11 | raf256 | stew: installing HAL forced me to use udev and therefore remove hotplug, I will not lost any functionalit because of taht change? |
| 11:24.21 | perlmonkey | I cant get xorg to recognise my usb mouse :-/ |
| 11:24.32 | stew | yang: sarge has moinmoin |
| 11:24.56 | fyrestrtr | how come xserver-xorg doesn't install any fonts?! |
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| 11:25.14 | liable_ | fyrestrtr: xorg metapackage does |
| 11:25.15 | yang | stew: yes a very outdated version |
| 11:25.19 | stew | fyrestrtr: becuase it doesn't need them to run |
| 11:26.08 | cydork | perlmonkey: what is the error? |
| 11:27.16 | fyrestrtr | stew: sure it does, it won't start because it can't find any fonts. |
| 11:27.24 | fyrestrtr | liable_: thank you, that's what I needed :) |
| 11:27.43 | stew | fyrestrtr: the x server can by run by loading fonts from a fontserver running on a different machine |
| 11:27.56 | perlmonkey | cydork: no core pointer. EE PreInit failed for input device "Configured Mouse" EE xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/mouse. No such device. |
| 11:27.58 | stew | fyrestrtr: which is why it is not required that you install fonts on the machine running the x server |
| 11:28.00 | fyrestrtr | stew: it doesn't install either, no fonts, no font server. |
| 11:28.08 | perlmonkey | strange, theres a clue there.. I'm using usb mouse |
| 11:28.15 | stew | fyrestrtr: right, becuase you can install them on another machine |
| 11:28.25 | stew | fyrestrtr: aptitude install xorg |
| 11:28.39 | stew | yang: backport it |
| 11:28.49 | stew | yang: wordpress is available from backports.org |
| 11:28.53 | fyrestrtr | ah there it goes! |
| 11:29.22 | yang | stew: ok, i will try to reinstall with sarge |
| 11:29.25 | fyrestrtr | woohoo -- finally, after a week, my first debian desktop! :D |
| 11:30.18 | liable_ | perlmonkey: um, you need explorer/ps2 for usb |
| 11:30.29 | peppet | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.45 | liable_ | perlmonkey: as the dpkg factoid said :P |
| 11:31.47 | perlmonkey | yes its all correct |
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| 11:32.25 | perlmonkey | driver is "mouse" |
| 11:32.34 | liable_ | perlmonkey: no, you just said you have serial in there |
| 11:32.49 | perlmonkey | strange |
| 11:33.08 | perlmonkey | how can this be? |
| 11:34.08 | perlmonkey | Protocol: ExplorerPS/2 Device: /dev/mouse |
| 11:34.22 | perlmonkey | dev/mouse sym to /dev/input/mice |
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| 11:35.34 | liable_ | perlmonkey: make dev /dev/input/mice |
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| 11:36.29 | roger21 | how can i change the default font of gtk apps ? |
| 11:36.29 | roger21 | i guess a file to edit but witch one ? |
| 11:36.46 | surrounder | roger21: try the gtk-chtheme program |
| 11:36.58 | perlmonkey | liable_ no rule to make target dev Stop. |
| 11:37.10 | MatBoy | !hug cydork |
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| 11:37.14 | surrounder | roger21: gtk-theme-switch |
| 11:37.14 | fyrestrtr | !non-free |
| 11:37.14 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 11:37.26 | cydork | perlmonkey: you have /dev/input/mouse right? |
| 11:37.36 | liable_ | perlmonkey: no, in the xorg.conf |
| 11:37.56 | perlmonkey | oh sorry |
| 11:37.57 | MatBoy | cydork, you can;t talk here while hiding :p |
| 11:38.07 | perlmonkey | cydork: yes |
| 11:38.16 | cydork | MatBoy: damn :) |
| 11:38.28 | MatBoy | cydork, hehe :D |
| 11:38.35 | perlmonkey | cydork: oh no, i dont have that..just /dev/input/mice |
| 11:38.55 | cydork | perlmonkey: do a dpkg-reconfigure and select device as /dev/input/mice |
| 11:39.23 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:39.40 | liable_ | perlmonkey: if you have hand edited the file, read the top of it and add the swith so that dpkg writes to the file |
| 11:40.18 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 11:50.27 | liable_ | !qotd0 |
| 11:50.27 | dpkg | <Nexus> And how can I recursively shut off the sticky bit? <Nexus> greycat, Well, because I don't like it. :) Because I don't fully understand it and have never used it. |
| 11:51.17 | awais | heh |
| 11:51.39 | RichiH | there are better |
| 11:52.07 | cydork | !qotd175 |
| 11:52.07 | dpkg | * Guerin -> skool | <abrotman> where Guerin learns to control his irc client :) | <Guerin> amphi: i can control my irc client!!!1 |
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| 11:54.06 | liable_ | greycat has some funny ones though |
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| 11:54.41 | RichiH | !qotd0 |
| 11:54.41 | dpkg | <Azar> jm, I do not have irc, how could I get in another way? |
| 11:54.47 | RichiH | heh |
| 11:54.57 | cydork | heheh |
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| 11:55.04 | liable_ | heh, from the king of vagueness :) |
| 11:55.22 | cbr | debconf: (Unable to load Gnome -- is libgnome2-perl installed?) |
| 11:55.24 | cbr | what does that mean? |
| 11:55.26 | cbr | and yes, libgnome2-perl is installed |
| 11:55.32 | tralala | !qotd146 |
| 11:55.32 | dpkg | i heard qotd146 is <penguin> If I run a command int the background like $command & <penguin> What happens if I turn the computer off |
| 11:55.33 | cbr | oh no.. |
| 11:55.39 | cbr | libgnome-perl is installed |
| 11:55.40 | cbr | GAH |
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| 11:56.10 | cydork | tralala: heheh now that's funny! :D |
| 11:56.20 | Fyre | How can i reconfigure x-window-system-core ? |
| 11:56.24 | MatBoy | are there drdb alternatives ? It's really great... but drdb+ is commercial.... I hate that way of opensource |
| 11:56.31 | cydork | !drxx Fyre |
| 11:56.31 | dpkg | Fyre: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 11:56.57 | tralala | cydork: What would be really funny is to see that question answered from an "expert" |
| 11:57.20 | cydork | tralala: hahah :P |
| 11:57.24 | tralala | ;) |
| 11:58.09 | Fyre | cydork, Cheers ;) |
| 11:58.10 | cydork | MatBoy: what is drdb anyway? |
| 11:58.38 | MatBoy | cydork, live replicatin between servers... some sort of Raid1 between servers |
| 11:58.39 | cydork | Fyre: please dont say cheers, it reminds me of beer :P |
| 11:59.06 | cydork | !info drbd8-utils |
| 11:59.08 | Fyre | cydork, I have a carton of tooeys right besides me now :) |
| 11:59.10 | dpkg | drbd8-utils: (RAID 1 over tcp/ip for Linux utilities), section admin, is extra. Version: 8.0-pre4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 112 kB, Installed size: 248 kB |
| 11:59.49 | streuner | !listvals drdb |
| 11:59.51 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'drdb' by value returned no results. |
| 11:59.59 | streuner | !listvals drbd |
| 12:00.01 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'drbd' by value returned no results. |
| 12:00.40 | cydork | !drbd |
| 12:00.40 | dpkg | [drbd] a block device which is designed to build high availability clusters. This is done by mirroring a whole block device via (a dedicated) network. You could see it as a network raid-1. It is basically raid 1 over two pcs. |
| 12:01.17 | awais | dr. beedy |
| 12:01.23 | MatBoy | yep :) and I need it between mutliple servers :D |
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| 12:03.24 | awais | MatBoy: in pairs? |
| 12:04.05 | perlmonkey | phew im getting closer |
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| 12:04.22 | Fyre | cat /dev/input/mouse0 and cat /dev/input/mice isnt detecting my mouse, is there anything i need to reconfigure?] |
| 12:04.24 | perlmonkey | fixed mouse prob, now I have a prob with "count not open default font "fixed" |
| 12:04.26 | cydork | MatBoy: use gfs, afs or coda even |
| 12:04.57 | cydork | Fyre: mousedev loaded? |
| 12:05.32 | Fyre | cydork, i beleive so |
| 12:06.13 | liable_ | perlmonkey: holy shit, do you think you could possibly get any more problems? |
| 12:06.21 | perlmonkey | cydork: that's what just fixed my problem (mousedev and usbmouse modules werent loaded) |
| 12:06.32 | perlmonkey | liable_ phew :-/ im doomed |
| 12:06.37 | cydork | Fyre: what about psmouse? |
| 12:06.51 | liable_ | perlmonkey: xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi |
| 12:06.57 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 12:06.59 | Fyre | cydork, not sure, how would i go about loading it? |
| 12:07.12 | cydork | Fyre: modprobe it. |
| 12:07.29 | cydork | !tell Fyre about 2.6 mouse |
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| 12:07.48 | tapas | i wonder |
| 12:08.11 | cydork | tapas: since when? |
| 12:08.13 | tapas | why lo isn't brought up by ifup -a anymore (after a apt-get upgrade) |
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| 12:08.31 | MatBoy | awais, nope, just from server to server to server... pairs is possible |
| 12:08.42 | MatBoy | cydork, I will take a look at that |
| 12:08.43 | tapas | although it has a "auto lo" stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:10.00 | perlmonkey | liable_ arrgh, same error after installing. but noticed errors on installing font packages: Warning /etc/X11/font and /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi missing or not folders |
| 12:10.23 | perlmonkey | a symlink might be needed? |
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| 12:10.42 | liable_ | perlmonkey: is this a fresh install or what ? |
| 12:10.50 | perlmonkey | liable_ yes fresh install |
| 12:10.53 | fourat | how to change my mac addres ? |
| 12:11.04 | liable_ | fourat: man ifconfig |
| 12:11.28 | cydork | fourat: install macchanger |
| 12:11.30 | liable_ | perlmonkey: try reinstalling 75dpi again |
| 12:11.36 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 12:11.39 | tapas | is /etc/network/interfaces not the canonical way to configure network devices on debian anymore? |
| 12:11.47 | fourat | liable_, nothing with man |
| 12:11.58 | tapas | or does the auto stanza not mean to bring up an interface automatically anymore? |
| 12:13.01 | liable_ | tapas: yes it should be auto |
| 12:13.23 | tapas | ok, lemme post my /etc/network/interfaces so you can check whether anything is wrong with it |
| 12:14.11 | tapas | http://rafb.net/paste/results/LZuBE884.html |
| 12:14.11 | liable_ | fourat: see hw switch |
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| 12:14.40 | perlmonkey | dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-75dpi > Warning /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi & /etc/X11/fonts/75dpi does not exist or is not a directory |
| 12:15.03 | MatBoy | cydork, gfs... wasn;t that openfgs that Redhat Bought ? |
| 12:15.30 | cydork | tapas: there is no need for address. |
| 12:15.33 | liable_ | perlmonkey: ah, try xfonts-base actually |
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| 12:15.45 | cydork | MatBoy: yep |
| 12:15.47 | tapas | cydork: i thought so, too. but stuff don't work without address |
| 12:16.00 | MatBoy | cydork, less dev on it as far I could see |
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| 12:16.17 | tapas | cydork: afer the last apt-get upgrade i had to do "ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1" to be able to even ping localhost |
| 12:16.34 | cydork | !tell tapas about lo |
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| 12:17.04 | MatBoy | does someone know netviewer for windows ? |
| 12:17.09 | cydork | MatBoy: well i wont say that you can try afs too i guess. |
| 12:17.20 | MatBoy | cydork, I'm looking @ afs now |
| 12:17.33 | tapas | cydork: oh well, maybe it should work like that |
| 12:17.46 | fyrestrtr | !java |
| 12:17.47 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
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| 12:17.52 | tapas | cydork: but it doesn't here. even giving it the adderss in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't make it work right.. |
| 12:18.01 | tapas | cydork: so i suppose som eother part of me system is screwed |
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| 12:19.23 | cydork | tapas: you dont need address for loopback in interfaces that's for sure. |
| 12:19.37 | cydork | tapas: other than that i have nfc |
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| 12:20.47 | fyrestrtr | hrmm, any reason I don't see sun-java5-jdk, I have non-free ( deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free ) in my sources.list |
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| 12:21.14 | cydork | !tell fyrestrtr about java-package |
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| 12:26.56 | fyrestrtr | ah, thanks cydork. |
| 12:28.41 | MatBoy | !hug MatBoy |
| 12:28.44 | MatBoy | :D |
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| 12:31.33 | MatBoy | I'm looking for a solution that I can takeover a workstation of someone else when he accepts it. The client will be on windows, I will be on Debian :) Netviewer is a windows-based version of what can do it |
| 12:32.41 | liable_ | MatBoy: kremotedesktop client, or vnc or i think theres a rdp client too |
| 12:33.08 | Fyre | nothings getting detected in /dev/input/mouse0 even when i probe psmouse/mousedev |
| 12:33.26 | MatBoy | liable_, but is it possible to have the client a small program that he doesn't have to install, only run, where he can accept me or remove me ? |
| 12:33.30 | cydork | MatBoy: rdesktop like liable said. |
| 12:33.31 | MatBoy | something like VNC indeed |
| 12:33.44 | MatBoy | cydork, yep, but that needs ports |
| 12:33.46 | sep | MatBoy, the client must run vnc, or another solution you can use vncviewer on debian |
| 12:33.51 | liable_ | MatBoy: yes, windows has a remote assistence thing |
| 12:33.59 | sep | MatBoy, if you use rdesktop the clients screen will go black when you conenct |
| 12:34.27 | sep | or show a lock screen |
| 12:34.41 | MatBoy | This is what I mean: http://www.netviewer.com/ |
| 12:34.44 | liable_ | sep: is that only on windows? cause i used it on another debian box and the client screen was still ok |
| 12:34.45 | sep | liable_, with the remote assistance can the cleint see the desktop at the same time ? |
| 12:34.55 | cydork | sep: i dont think so coz i have used it in past. |
| 12:34.56 | liable_ | heh |
| 12:34.59 | Fyre | cydork, nothings getting detected in /dev/input/mouse0 even when i probe psmouse/mousedev |
| 12:35.13 | Anjo_da_Morte | Fyre unbstable ? |
| 12:35.15 | MatBoy | The client downloads a small package from your website, clicks on it... it runs, need no installation, and you see him comming in |
| 12:35.20 | MatBoy | you accept him |
| 12:35.22 | cydork | Fyre: which kernel? |
| 12:35.29 | Fyre | cydork, 2.6 |
| 12:35.39 | Anjo_da_Morte | Fyre unstable ? |
| 12:35.46 | sep | liable_, i have only enabeled remote control, and conencted with rdesktop, remoet goes to lock and must unlock before use again, how do you conenct with remote assistant ? |
| 12:35.47 | Fyre | anjo, testing |
| 12:35.52 | cydork | Fyre: does /dev/input/mice exists? |
| 12:36.05 | sep | and i use grdesktop on debian |
| 12:36.08 | liable_ | sep: i havent used the windows one before |
| 12:36.18 | Anjo_da_Morte | i had a similar problem last week, alsa also didnt work, it was because of udev 0.100 |
| 12:36.26 | Fyre | cydork, when i cat it it a newline comes up and just sits there |
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| 12:36.54 | Anjo_da_Morte | ahhh not the same problem |
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| 12:37.23 | cydork | Fyre: that's wierd, usb mouse or ps2? |
| 12:37.30 | Fyre | cydork, ps2 |
| 12:37.32 | sep | liable_, i have not treid rdesktop between debian's there i use NX or vnc or X11 |
| 12:38.12 | sep | Fyre, lsmod, do you have psmouse and mousedev loaded ? if not load them |
| 12:38.46 | Fyre | sep, yes there both loaded |
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| 12:40.30 | Tulga | hi all. I need use nokia ca-42 data cable. is it possible? |
| 12:41.53 | Hoxzer | :) nokia is fröööm finlnad |
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| 12:44.00 | Tulga | Hoxzer: what it mean? |
| 12:44.02 | anapivirtua_ | Meuh ici et la |
| 12:44.14 | streuner | !fr |
| 12:44.14 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
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| 12:45.16 | Eulex | Hoxzer, sauna ftw |
| 12:45.20 | perlmonkey | anyone any idea why installing xfonts-75dpi should give warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi does not exist or is not a directory? |
| 12:45.30 | margiolas | hello to everybody |
| 12:46.57 | Eulex | perlmonkey, your xorg.conf is incorrect; they're stored in /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi now |
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| 12:47.08 | perlmonkey | oh thanks Eulex |
| 12:47.55 | fyrestrtr | how can I find out what version of a software will be installed? |
| 12:48.08 | petemc | apt-cache show package |
| 12:48.10 | Eulex | perlmonkey, but the debian xorg is patched to try the right directories if the ones in xorg.conf are incorrect, so they should still work |
| 12:48.19 | Eulex | fyrestrtr, apt-cache policy package |
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| 12:49.08 | agentblue | is gnome 2.16 yet included in etch/sid/experimental? |
| 12:49.12 | perlmonkey | Eulex: even with the right paths in xorg.conf I am still getting same path error on reconfig for xfonts-75dpi |
| 12:49.52 | fyrestrtr | Eulex: how do I get http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gaim/gaim_2.0.0+beta3.orig.tar.gz ? |
| 12:49.57 | Hoxzer | can I somehow see what complier was used to compile my kernel? |
| 12:49.58 | RichiH | agentblue: Version: 1:2.14.2.1 |
| 12:50.13 | perlmonkey | is it just me or is there a lot of bugs in xorg |
| 12:50.16 | perlmonkey | (testing) |
| 12:50.21 | Eulex | perlmonkey, sorry, no idea then |
| 12:50.37 | Eulex | fyrestrtr, that one is in experimental. |
| 12:50.46 | tralala | Hoxzer: cat /proc/version |
| 12:50.47 | margiolas | I need some help... I I'm trying to install debian etch on my laptop. The installation was ok but when I'm trying to boot debian udev appears "hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC861 trying auto-probe from Bios" afer system hungs and repeat"azx_get_reponse timeout" |
| 12:51.01 | RichiH | oh wait |
| 12:51.02 | margiolas | ALC861 IS MY SOUND CARD |
| 12:51.07 | RichiH | Version: 1:2.14.3.1 |
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| 12:51.27 | fyrestrtr | Eulex: can't I get that in experimental? |
| 12:51.32 | tralala | margiolas: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 12:51.47 | agentblue | ok |
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| 12:52.18 | Eulex | fyrestrtr, of course you can. you can add experimental to your xorg.conf. btw, you're running testing or unstable now, right? |
| 12:52.31 | agentblue | any ideas when 2.16 is to be included? |
| 12:52.41 | fyrestrtr | Eulex: etch (which is that?) |
| 12:52.49 | Eulex | agentblue, gnome? |
| 12:52.55 | agentblue | ya |
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| 12:54.33 | MatBoy | is it possible with a vnc-version to let it run a zero-ground application at the client-side ? |
| 12:54.35 | Eulex | fyrestrtr, ok. add the same lines as you've got in your sources.list but with experimental instead of testing/etch. and do the same one more time, but with unstable instead of testing/etch. then create /etc/apt/apt.conf and put APT::Default-Release "testing"; inside it. note that this is a bit risky, as you might b0rk your system if you do it wrong. |
| 12:54.55 | Eulex | agentblue, http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.16-status.html |
| 12:55.11 | margiolas | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.17 | agentblue | thx |
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| 12:56.29 | perlmonkey | sheesh I cant believe how long this installation is taking and how many hours I've wasted, problem after problem :=? |
| 12:56.42 | fyrestrtr | Eulex: meh, I think I can wait :) |
| 12:56.43 | perlmonkey | still no X |
| 12:57.11 | perlmonkey | I think I'm gonna put this down to a bad install and start over |
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| 13:02.14 | inzion | is there a tool to check which program uses the most cpu time over a user defined time? maybe also includes forks / child-processes.. |
| 13:02.19 | inzion | ?? |
| 13:02.49 | basanta | can't mount kingston thumb drive in etch box? |
| 13:04.20 | asg | inzion: look at the acct package |
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| 13:04.46 | inzion | asg, thanks for the hint, i will look into it.. |
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| 13:05.12 | asg | inzion: also, top with the 'cumulative' mode may be useful |
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| 13:11.43 | wdamn | Hi, I still getting the following error with some X application like firefox, gvim, gv... : |
| 13:11.45 | wdamn | Pango-WARNING **: Error loading GPOS table 4097 |
| 13:11.52 | wdamn | what's the matter |
| 13:11.54 | wdamn | ? |
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| 13:12.09 | tralala | margiolas: /msg dpkg laptops |
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| 13:13.06 | tralala | margiolas: repeating the question will not really help when you ignore the answers |
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| 13:14.26 | margiolas | tralala:sorry but i am new in irc how i can see the message.. |
| 13:14.42 | Zaib | guys is there knoppix kernel available for download as a .deb package ? |
| 13:14.51 | blondie | no |
| 13:14.57 | blondie | try #knoppix |
| 13:15.14 | cydork | Zaib: why? |
| 13:15.22 | tralala | margiolas: open a private window with dpkg and type "laptops" there |
| 13:15.27 | Zaib | duno why but guys at #knoppix are sleeping i guess |
| 13:15.40 | blondie | well, doesn't mean we can help ;) |
| 13:15.46 | Zaib | cydork: neet to install it dats why dear |
| 13:15.46 | cydork | Zaib: i mean why do you want knoppix kernel? |
| 13:16.00 | margiolas | tralala:thanks very much |
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| 13:16.13 | cydork | Zaib: that i know but why do want knoppix ?? what's wrong with debian kernel? |
| 13:16.15 | Traian | <Traian> hi there |
| 13:16.15 | Traian | <Traian> i got a problem with my soundblaster audigy SE |
| 13:16.15 | Traian | <Traian> it works with the kernel drivers |
| 13:16.15 | Traian | <Traian> but i can't set it up for 5.1 |
| 13:16.15 | Traian | <Traian> what should i do? |
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| 13:16.23 | tralala | margiolas: you're welcome |
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| 13:16.50 | klonical | hi |
| 13:16.54 | Zaib | cydork: wel i need some hardware detection ability and making a live cd dats why i need knoppix kernel |
| 13:17.31 | klonical | is /boot/config-$(uname -r) file loadable on make menuconfig? |
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| 13:17.49 | cydork | Zaib: check http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ or remaster knoppix |
| 13:18.04 | margiolas | tralala: I am using linux for three years but irc only some days... |
| 13:18.18 | asg | klonical: copy it to your kernel source tree as 'config' |
| 13:18.21 | Traian | does anybody know how to setup a creative soundblaster for 5.1? |
| 13:18.44 | tralala | Traian: are you using alsa? |
| 13:18.50 | Traian | cause i compiled the kernel with its drivers it works but only 2.1 |
| 13:18.52 | Traian | yes |
| 13:18.54 | cydork | !tell klonical about make oldconfig |
| 13:18.55 | klonical | asg: maybe .config? |
| 13:19.04 | Traian | but none of the volumes there does the job :) |
| 13:19.10 | abrotman | alsa-project.org |
| 13:19.10 | Traian | in windows i had to enable CMSS |
| 13:19.40 | tralala | Traian: maybe you need to configure the player as well. Or maybe your player doesn't support 5.1 |
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| 13:19.43 | asg | klonical: yeah |
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| 13:20.03 | Traian | no its not about the player |
| 13:20.23 | Traian | i'm sure it's not |
| 13:20.46 | Traian | and i an angry cause i can't set it up myself |
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| 13:21.17 | Traian | and i hate to read all the faqs hopping that i'll find what i'm looking for |
| 13:21.32 | Traian | that's why i was hopping you guys could help me :) |
| 13:22.09 | abrotman | have you check the docs at alsa-project.org ? |
| 13:22.12 | abrotman | checked |
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| 13:22.31 | tralala | Traian: I personally have a 5.1 soundcard (not Creative though) and I have the gut feeling that all the 6 channels work just fine. It's only that I don't have 5.1 speaker system. |
| 13:23.21 | Traian | i have a 5.1 speaker system and as i told you the card plays only 2 of them |
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| 13:23.31 | Traian | the volumes in alsamixer are all max |
| 13:23.44 | Traian | but i feel it's not about that either |
| 13:24.08 | abrotman | i bet there are documents at alsa-project.org |
| 13:24.11 | Traian | did you do anything else besides installing the card? |
| 13:24.28 | Traian | i will check it out thanks |
| 13:24.43 | Bhavesh | abrotman: when are you NOT here talking? |
| 13:24.45 | fyrestrtr | hrmm, I'm trying to use scp between a linux machine and this debian box, and it quits with 'Received disconnect from 192.168.1.85: 2: Corrupted MAC on input.' (.85 is the debian machine). Any idea? |
| 13:25.20 | fyrestrtr | it doesn't happen when I scp between this machine an another linux box, just the debian box. |
| 13:26.09 | abrotman | Bhavesh: uhm .. you're one to talk |
| 13:26.34 | abrotman | Bhavesh: you're in the same timezone i am .. |
| 13:26.43 | tralala | Traian: in alsamixer I have a control that selects how many channels are in use. It goes 2, 4 and 6. Did you investigate all your controls for relevant stuff? |
| 13:26.44 | Bhavesh | abrotman: my apologies, i meant when are you NOT here present |
| 13:27.16 | Traian | hmmm i didn't find that |
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| 13:27.35 | Traian | you mean alsamixergui? |
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| 13:27.59 | abrotman | Bhavesh: if i'm here .. i'm actually here(or at least awake) .. i disconnect otherwise |
| 13:29.14 | Bhavesh | abrotman: i am not the same way.. i left this session running last night.. i am also on efnet where i am never.. or hardly ever disconnected |
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| 13:29.44 | abrotman | Bhavesh: seems silly to me |
| 13:30.11 | Bhavesh | abrotman: well true.. but may as well use the high speed connection i have for something other then downloading lots of hmm nevermind :) |
| 13:30.34 | tralala | Traian: no, I mean alsamixer (as in alsamixer text) |
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| 13:30.49 | abrotman | Bhavesh: and that's why your ISP wants to charge websites .. because you soak up bandwidth .. for no reason at all |
| 13:30.55 | Traian | the console one |
| 13:30.57 | Traian | ok |
| 13:31.05 | Traian | i will investigate |
| 13:31.39 | Traian | unfortunately i'm at work know so i'll have to wait a couple of hours before i can try :-< |
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| 13:32.41 | Bhavesh | abrotman: i be nice and start logging off |
| 13:33.08 | abrotman | Bhavesh: it's up to you .. just seems wasteful to me |
| 13:34.07 | Bhavesh | well what you said makes sense.. and i was going to say that the amount of bandwith i use is minute at most 5k but those small bandwith can add up across few hundred thousand customers |
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| 13:36.01 | abrotman | Bhavesh: dunnno about in your area .. but here .. comcast broadband isn't exactly cheap |
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| 13:36.22 | possie | wasn't it possible with ext3 to extend a partition while the partition was mounted? |
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| 13:36.40 | `blu | hi, can someone tell me how i can change the Hz of my kernel pls ? |
| 13:36.45 | Bhavesh | abrotman: well same here.. i think.. i have a package .. about $125/month for phone/digital cable and high speed internet |
| 13:36.55 | abrotman | comcast sucks |
| 13:37.39 | Bhavesh | they keep raising price and now they are advertising the same damn package that i signed up for and they raised price.. $99/month for all three services bu to nly for 12 months |
| 13:38.12 | abrotman | ' ' |
| 13:39.48 | Bhavesh | i was going to change to other ISP, like bell south but they don't offer anything high speed here |
| 13:40.41 | tralala | `blu: the Hz of your kernel?! |
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| 13:40.45 | riot | hiya :) |
| 13:41.22 | citral | heh nice host |
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| 13:42.21 | citral | I prefer beck's but krombacher is good too |
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| 13:43.39 | drv | j #grisbi |
| 13:43.43 | drv | sory |
| 13:44.00 | drv | sorry |
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| 13:45.03 | elif | I would like to get more involved with the debian project and community could anybody pointed me how ?! I mean, I already read the news groups, related, and I have some technical knowledge, but still, I don't have any idea about the mainly work realized on the debian project, and how to help with. |
| 13:45.42 | citral | elif: you could begin simply with writing/translating some docs |
| 13:46.33 | Bhavesh | i was going to TRY to learn hwo to setup a debian mirror.. but don't have bandwith i can setup a server at my own expense though |
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| 13:47.07 | awais | elif:http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ |
| 13:47.49 | fyrestrtr | I have a strange problem with debian. When transferring files from another linux host to debian it always quits with 'Received disconnect from [hostname]: 2: Corrupted MAC on input.' -- CPU use shoots to 100%, and shortly, nautilus dies (if using nautilus, from the terminal, the scp process just terminates). |
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| 13:49.13 | fyrestrtr | which makes file transfer a royal pain -- trying to transfer 30 GB over a network :( Can anyone tell me how to fix this? |
| 13:49.18 | Ox0F0-0FF | Hi everyone, This is maybe a little OT but since exim is the default MTA in debian and since #exim is.... quiet... I know exim can use mysql as backend... in my understanding, it can store mails in mysql.... right ? if yes, could I use mysql cluster for this ? I want an active/active solution with redundancy so.... |
| 13:49.32 | fyrestrtr | Only happens on Debian box, nothing else (linux host to other non-debian host is fine). |
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| 13:50.14 | Ox0F0-0FF | hum |
| 13:50.24 | Fox | Ox0F0-0FF: you don't store mails but accounts in mysql, and why wouldn't a cluster be ok ? |
| 13:50.55 | Ox0F0-0FF | Fox, some softwares are not ok going with mysql cluster |
| 13:51.04 | Ox0F0-0FF | Fox, no way to have mails stored in mysql ? |
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| 13:51.48 | Fox | that would sound stupid to me |
| 13:52.20 | citral | fyrestrtr: sounds like a nautilus bug, tried the scp command within a terminal? |
| 13:52.21 | Ox0F0-0FF | well, I also could two other disks and setup drbd over them |
| 13:52.38 | Ox0F0-0FF | but I have no money for those disks.... or maybe a virtual partition |
| 13:52.39 | tralala | storing emails in rdbms sounds like a quick'n'easy way to fill it in with garbage beyound any usability |
| 13:52.44 | Ox0F0-0FF | made of a big file |
| 13:53.08 | Ox0F0-0FF | Or simply allow pop and leave imap out |
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| 13:53.20 | Ox0F0-0FF | which is what I think I'll do |
| 13:53.24 | Ox0F0-0FF | brb |
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| 13:55.28 | citral | fyrestrtr: I mean scp -v to debug |
| 13:57.04 | abrotman | Bhavesh: look at apt-proxy |
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| 13:57.35 | dutche- | Hi, does anybody can help me with rndc config in bind9, cause I donno why, when I change the default rndc.key and generate another it stops to work...if the named.conf and rndc.conf sould share the same rndc.key file by default in Debian, right? I've been searching inside the preinst script in .deb Bind package but it just run the "rndc-confgen -r /dev/urandom -a" command and nothing more... |
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| 13:58.13 | dutche- | and I still get an miss matching keys error when try to connect in rndc |
| 13:58.30 | khermans | Is there a tool like mkfs.softraid ? |
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| 13:58.51 | khermans | I am setting up a machine and dumped the partition table to disk with sfdisk |
| 13:59.14 | Bhavesh | abrotman: i have only two machine on my network but lately i have been reinstalling debian a lot |
| 13:59.23 | awais | khermans: what would mkfs.softraid do? |
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| 13:59.29 | khermans | but now i need to make software raid partiitions, merge them, and format as ext3 |
| 13:59.53 | khermans | awais, i need to make two partitions act as one -- software raid |
| 13:59.58 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 14:00.09 | khermans | partition type id=fd |
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| 14:00.29 | khermans | but how can i format this?! |
| 14:00.40 | awais | khermans: mkfs just makes filesytems .... read the raid howto |
| 14:00.49 | khermans | awais, i understand that |
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| 14:01.04 | r3m | hi how to reconfigure the system time |
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| 14:01.16 | abrotman | the timezone .. or set the time ? |
| 14:01.17 | dutche- | khermans, you set the type of partition an then put you filesystem there |
| 14:01.24 | r3m | timezone not the ntp |
| 14:01.27 | khermans | but how can i format the "combined" device (two partitions) as ext3? |
| 14:01.32 | abrotman | r3m: tzconfig |
| 14:01.35 | r3m | thanks |
| 14:01.44 | dutche- | khermans, the combined device acts like one |
| 14:01.49 | khermans | dutche-, the problem is that ext3 spans over two partitions |
| 14:02.03 | khermans | dutche-, oh so i can just format them separately? |
| 14:02.07 | khermans | both as ext3? |
| 14:02.35 | awais | khermans: the raid just gives you a block device md* etc.. install whatever filesystem you need to on that block device... |
| 14:02.36 | khermans | dutche-, sweet -- i thought there was some funky "software raid" file system header on the partition |
| 14:02.57 | fyrestrtr | citral: that error is from scp. |
| 14:02.58 | khermans | awais, the problem is that i am imaging the system |
| 14:03.09 | khermans | awais, there is nmo concept of /dev/md0 |
| 14:03.15 | dutche- | khermans, no, you set up you software raid in those 2 partitions, and then it will be only one in the system... should be md0 or md1...and then you only need to put you filesystem in the new device md0 or md1 |
| 14:03.17 | khermans | until the OS boots |
| 14:03.48 | khermans | dutche-, right -- i set the id to 0xfd |
| 14:03.53 | khermans | on two partitions |
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| 14:04.04 | khermans | whcih corresponds to software raid |
| 14:04.06 | awais | khermans: do not touch the disk devices individually...what do yuo mean 'no concept?' a mirror will show up as /dev/md* |
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| 14:05.06 | khermans | awais, the problem is to do this without the host system |
| 14:05.31 | awais | khermans: without the 'host system'? |
| 14:05.38 | dutche- | khermans, I'd recommend you to read the Software-Raid howto |
| 14:05.47 | fyrestrtr | how can I shut off these addnoting kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode messages?! They are driving me nuts. |
| 14:06.04 | fyrestrtr | s/addnoting/annoying/ |
| 14:06.06 | khermans | dutche-, i imaged the / partition |
| 14:06.21 | Cctoide | Hey, I'm installing Debian for the first time... I have an AMD64 processor, was wondering whether it's worth getting the corresponding version or just going with i386? |
| 14:06.24 | khermans | i just want it to find the software raid paritiotns as they should be when it boots up |
| 14:06.28 | khermans | i dont know what they look like |
| 14:06.31 | TARZEAU | Cctoide: go for i386 |
| 14:06.51 | Cctoide | okay |
| 14:06.56 | fyrestrtr | how do I shut up syslogd? |
| 14:07.06 | awais | khermans: we told you.../dev/md*. Read the howto ... |
| 14:07.26 | khermans | awais, so i can use mdadm ? |
| 14:07.38 | khermans | ok |
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| 14:08.16 | r3m | abrotman do you know public ntp server please |
| 14:08.23 | abrotman | pool.ntp.org |
| 14:08.27 | r3m | thx |
| 14:08.27 | fyrestrtr | time.windows.com |
| 14:08.41 | ofer1 | 0.pool.ntp.org |
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| 14:08.59 | ofer1 | sudo aptitude install ntpdate; sudo ntpdate 0.pool.ntp.org; |
| 14:09.09 | abrotman | it's just pool.ntp.org |
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| 14:10.13 | fyrestrtr | why is debian being such a problem child? |
| 14:10.37 | nvz | pebcak, user error, replace user and bang head off keyboard to continue |
| 14:10.38 | fyrestrtr | never ran into this problem -- 'Disconnecting: Corrupted MAC on input.' EVER. |
| 14:10.55 | fyrestrtr | Never on this machine, never on the client. Never in any other linux distro. |
| 14:10.57 | azeem | fyrestrtr: what is the context? |
| 14:11.00 | fyrestrtr | scp |
| 14:11.27 | nvz | I dont know whats with women in this town... working and shitt.. I am calling everyone I know and nobody's answering their phone |
| 14:11.58 | Ronin | scared them all off allready nvz? |
| 14:12.14 | fyrestrtr | scp just quits with this error -- for some reason that is beyond me right now. So I'll tackle it tomorrow. |
| 14:12.29 | peppet | fyrestrtr: try sftp |
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| 14:13.07 | Bhavesh | nvz: what do you mean 'working' almost sounds dirty :) |
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| 14:13.56 | nvz | heh.. they are all at work. its 10am I already made like $30 this morning and I am looking for something to do.. called amber, cara, and steph and they arent answering |
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| 14:14.11 | Bhavesh | did you try Cindy? |
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| 14:14.26 | nvz | dont know her |
| 14:14.38 | nvz | my cousin amber is useless anyhow.. has a phone but never carries it |
| 14:14.38 | r3m | why the system clock loose minutes so we need to type ntpdate sometime? this is strange |
| 14:14.57 | r3m | is there any website for setting up a crontab |
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| 14:15.22 | gmcinnes | Anyone know why my gnome would be constantly spawning this process: /usr/lib/libgnomeui-0/gnome_segv gnome_segv2 6 2.14.1 |
| 14:15.27 | Hal9001 | how do i get the current unix timestamp of my system? |
| 14:15.31 | Bhavesh | nvz: how about Katherine? u tried her? :) |
| 14:15.40 | nvz | I am not even trying to get hold of any of them.. I just want to get hold of someone they called on my phone and I am not sure which number it is or what the person's name is |
| 14:15.41 | Bhavesh | Hal9001: u mean what's systems time? |
| 14:15.51 | Hal9001 | the unix timestamp, seconds since 1970 |
| 14:15.57 | nvz | Bhavesh: yeah but she doesnt live in this state so no point in calling |
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| 14:16.30 | Bhavesh | hehe |
| 14:16.36 | abrotman | !tell Bhavesh bout u |
| 14:16.36 | awais | Hal9001: perl -e 'print time' |
| 14:16.37 | Bhavesh | i am just making up names as i go along :) |
| 14:16.38 | abrotman | !tell Bhavesh about u |
| 14:16.44 | Bhavesh | abrotman: sorry!!!! |
| 14:16.51 | abrotman | Bhavesh: you will learn! |
| 14:17.05 | nvz | I could just call every number in my call history but when I dont know their name.. I dont even know who to ask for :P |
| 14:17.09 | Bhavesh | abrotman: i have honestly been so careful to type YOU instead of u |
| 14:17.30 | Bhavesh | nvz: just say.. hi this is 'me' i received a call from ths number can you tell me who called |
| 14:17.34 | nvz | you'd think if you hang out with someone half a dozen times you would know their name by now |
| 14:17.56 | abrotman | nvz: no more beer for oyu |
| 14:18.20 | Bhavesh | i agree with abrotman |
| 14:18.22 | Bhavesh | brb work |
| 14:18.23 | nvz | heh, how'd you know I was drinking? |
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| 14:18.38 | peppet | Hal9001:or date +%s |
| 14:18.49 | abrotman | nvz: you're working/sleeping/drinking/smoking .. |
| 14:19.25 | nvz | yeah pretty much.. or selling something |
| 14:20.13 | nvz | I sold a Saw, DVD Player, Xbox Controller, 5 PS Games, 5 Books, 2 Xbox games so far this week |
| 14:20.33 | nvz | If I could find a place that would buy clothes I wouldnt be sitting here right now |
| 14:20.44 | `blu | tralala yer, like 250 500 1000 hz |
| 14:20.48 | `blu | you can change the hz |
| 14:20.58 | nvz | I've just about ran out of everything but books and clothes.. clothes are easy to come by.. but hard to return a profit on |
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| 14:22.30 | nvz | gonna have to learn ebay I am diggin this retail business |
| 14:22.44 | nvz | just cant find a market for everything I come across |
| 14:22.51 | nvz | ebay is apperently the ticket |
| 14:23.01 | Bhavesh | nvz: if you find the right items to sell you can get good money off ebay |
| 14:23.11 | abrotman | nvz: i think that counts as work :) |
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| 14:23.35 | goki___ | I can use parallel port as root, but not as a user, even if that user is in the lp group, anything I can do? |
| 14:23.36 | realist | nvz: are you selling up and moving somewhere? |
| 14:24.02 | nvz | well I think I got two dresses here no idea what size. but they look like prom type dresses and gotta be worth a bit in the right market |
| 14:24.26 | nvz | I was surprised I got $10 out of that cheap reciprocating saw.. he has no idea how cheap I got that thing |
| 14:24.39 | abrotman | try them on to find out! |
| 14:24.50 | `blu | does anyone know how i can change the timer frequency of my kernel please ? |
| 14:24.51 | nvz | they definatly wouldnt fit me.. too small ;) |
| 14:25.00 | nvz | no use to anyone if I rip em |
| 14:25.01 | abrotman | sell them as "Fits an out of shape 27 year old yinzer!" |
| 14:25.18 | nvz | hey I am only 23 and I am not that out of shape |
| 14:26.24 | realist | nvz: you actually own a dress? |
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| 14:26.37 | nvz | I was looking at some basketball/tennis gear at the store.. thining about getting back into playing some sports.. I got some semi-active females I've been hanging around lately.. since they act like they want to exercize and jog and shit they might as well play some tennis with me or something |
| 14:26.57 | abrotman | nvz: wouldn't it be easier to find a g/f ? |
| 14:27.01 | nvz | realist: I've been hustling anything I can get my hands on lately |
| 14:27.02 | Hal9001 | thanks |
| 14:27.11 | `blu | does anyone know how i can change the timer frequency of my kernel please ? |
| 14:27.19 | realist | nvz: why's that? |
| 14:27.27 | nvz | realist: money |
| 14:27.44 | realist | nvz: obviously. |
| 14:27.47 | nvz | realist: I dont have a job that makes much so I cut grass, do construction, and sell stuff to make up the difference |
| 14:28.03 | azeem | nvz: can you please stay on topic? Or move this elsewher |
| 14:28.04 | azeem | e |
| 14:28.11 | nvz | right |
| 14:28.20 | realist | azeem, OK. |
| 14:28.33 | nvz | abrotman: I am looking for positive cash flow in my favor, not negative ;) |
| 14:28.46 | abrotman | i meant for exercise :) |
| 14:29.01 | abrotman | nvz: see ... you had it made in #-ot :) |
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| 14:29.16 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
| 14:29.43 | goki___ | it really seems like I should have access to parallel port, /dev/parport0 is in group lp, with rw access, and my user is in that group |
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| 14:31.58 | bintut | hello all.. |
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| 14:40.02 | `blu | oes anyone know how i can change the timer frequency of my kernel on debian please? |
| 14:40.54 | Skiver | hi anyone knows where's the location of config file for xfs ? |
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| 14:41.12 | abrotman | the FS or the font server? |
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| 14:41.32 | Skiver | font server. |
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| 14:41.51 | Hoxzer | how can I check if one process is running? |
| 14:42.03 | abrotman | how will you recognize it ? |
| 14:42.15 | asg | abrotman: check under its tail? |
| 14:42.30 | Hoxzer | abrotman: by name |
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| 14:42.37 | asg | Hoxzer: pgrep |
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| 14:43.12 | abrotman | Hoxzer: ps aux | grep <blah> |
| 14:43.17 | abrotman | is one way |
| 14:44.48 | tapas | `blu: well |
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| 14:45.14 | tapas | `blu: recompile your kernel with TIMER_HZ = 1000 |
| 14:45.35 | tapas | `blu: so you need to know about how to build your own kernel on debian |
| 14:45.46 | tapas | `blu: for infos on that, check the debian documentation |
| 14:45.53 | abrotman | !tell `blu about kp |
| 14:46.03 | tapas | !tell tapas about kp |
| 14:46.05 | tapas | :) |
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| 14:46.09 | abrotman | !tell tapas about selftell |
| 14:46.13 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 14:46.26 | abrotman | perlmonkey: aren't you sick of us yet? |
| 14:46.29 | tapas | abrotman: gnah ok :) |
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| 14:46.39 | asg | abrotman: apparently not, he keeps coming back |
| 14:46.44 | abrotman | i see that :) |
| 14:46.48 | Skiver | I have problem installing ttf-opensymbol which is required by openoffice. |
| 14:47.11 | perlmonkey | im in a bit of a pickle. *finally* managed to get a working (stable) system, X running everything ok, but when I mount my nfs home dir and try to start X, no go. I guess I need to replace the X related session files on nfs? |
| 14:47.17 | perlmonkey | abrotman: never :P |
| 14:47.38 | Skiver | when settiing up ttf-opensymbol it keeps showing msg "failed to write cache" |
| 14:48.32 | `blu | cheers tapas |
| 14:48.52 | `blu | and abrotman |
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| 14:50.03 | perlmonkey | you guys dont like nfs do you |
| 14:50.15 | perlmonkey | its a case of "you're on your own with this one" :P |
| 14:50.26 | TARZEAU | NFS is great |
| 14:50.49 | perlmonkey | I dont think I have ever been in this situation before |
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| 14:52.02 | perlmonkey | in theory, I can copy the X session files etc out of my home dir, and then onto my nfs home dir, and all will be well. assuming I can figure out what to copy |
| 14:52.19 | typewriter | what do you guys use to keep the time on your debian systems? |
| 14:52.32 | tziku` | where can i found details about packages ? like "upgrade-system" |
| 14:52.38 | Ronin | ntpdate typewriter |
| 14:52.49 | TARZEAU | typewriter: rdate |
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| 14:52.59 | perlmonkey | dpkg -l |
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| 14:55.34 | MustangMatt | Anyone up for helping me troubleshoot - postfix/sendmail[4933]: fatal: usage: sendmail [options] - it just started happening at 5pm yesterday and I can no longer send mail out. |
| 14:55.48 | asg | MustangMatt: have you consulted #postfix yet? |
| 14:55.51 | MustangMatt | I've searched google thoroughly but haven't found any solutions. |
| 14:56.19 | MustangMatt | asg: Yes |
| 14:57.08 | MustangMatt | My platform is debian sarge and this has been running flawlessly for months. |
| 14:57.20 | asg | well, have you changed anything at all? |
| 14:57.50 | petemc | MustangMatt: you can send mail at all? or using a particular script? |
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| 14:58.03 | MustangMatt | asg: The only thing I remember doing yesterday was getting an update to gzip via aptitude. |
| 14:58.26 | MustangMatt | petemc: Specifically I am using the roundcube mail imap client. Let me try another imap client, just to make sure it's consistent. |
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| 14:59.18 | catlee | Is there an IRC channel for debian python? |
| 14:59.28 | abrotman | catlee: maybe on oftc |
| 14:59.35 | Cctoide | Is there documentation on recommended partitioning schemes for debian? |
| 14:59.43 | nvz | catlee: python is no different in debian than it is on solarix, windows, irix, or any other os for that matter |
| 15:00.00 | nvz | of course certain modules are OS specific but for the most part its all the same |
| 15:00.02 | MustangMatt | petemc: Interesting, squirrelmail sends mail out with no problem. I'll investigate the differences between how each client is sending mail. |
| 15:00.09 | petemc | thats the spirit |
| 15:00.18 | petemc | i use roundcube too, havent noticed any problems |
| 15:00.22 | nvz | very few modules are OS specific anyhow.. mostly file, proccess, and sound related things |
| 15:00.28 | catlee | nvz: I'm interested in if anybody has looked at debian packages for deploying WSGI apps, like pylons |
| 15:00.28 | MustangMatt | petemc: Yah it was working perfectly for quite a while. |
| 15:00.36 | typewriter | ntp-simple or openntpd ? |
| 15:00.50 | nvz | catlee: maybe you just want to email the python maintainer? |
| 15:00.59 | nvz | catlee: or try out the debian mailing lists |
| 15:01.43 | catlee | abrotman: oftc? |
| 15:02.16 | stew | catlee: #debian-python on irc.debian.org |
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| 15:03.10 | abrotman | oh .. it's here? |
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| 15:04.00 | asg | abrotman: no, oftc |
| 15:04.10 | abrotman | oh duh |
| 15:04.14 | junix|work | I need to isntall Debian on a Sata system, what is the best route to go about doing this? |
| 15:04.35 | catlee | great, thanks folks |
| 15:04.37 | abrotman | depends on the controller |
| 15:04.46 | junix|work | its a Dell Optiplex GX520 |
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| 15:05.20 | abrotman | the sata controller ... |
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| 15:05.50 | junix|work | 1 sec |
| 15:05.52 | junix|work | looking up |
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| 15:06.44 | idan | Hey! my friend put a crontab on the linux that words every X minuts, now i want to disable it, where are the crontab files? |
| 15:07.10 | MustangMatt | idan: crontab -e |
| 15:07.14 | asg | idan: man 8 cron |
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| 15:08.18 | idan | asg: every question asked can be answered by man 8 (: unless you dont want to read 90 pages to find crontab -e... |
| 15:08.23 | Adriel_BR | why my 'mail' program dont send the mail? 'mail userpeter' and i type the subject and the msg, so i give ^D to send and i give 'mail -u userpeter' and nothing... ;( why? |
| 15:08.38 | asg | idan: no, man 8 cron tells you where default crontabs are stored. |
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| 15:09.17 | yora | how can i mount my camera as usb-storage |
| 15:09.20 | petemc | Adriel_BR: what do the logs say |
| 15:09.24 | sanmarcos | clean |
| 15:09.25 | idan | asg: maybe you sould do it yourself and see where it is written (: |
| 15:09.32 | Adriel_BR | petemc, where can i see the logs? |
| 15:09.42 | petemc | Adriel_BR: what mta are you using? |
| 15:09.44 | asg | idan: cron searches its spool area (/var/spool/cron/crontabs) |
| 15:09.52 | junix|work | abrotman: its an intel sata card |
| 15:09.53 | asg | idan: Additionally, cron reads the files in /etc/cron.d: |
| 15:09.55 | slept | yora mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 15:10.05 | petemc | i use /etc/crontab for all my cron needs |
| 15:10.19 | yora | slept: er /dev/sda1 doesn't exist |
| 15:10.24 | yora | i think i need to load some modules first |
| 15:10.33 | petemc | yora: your camera may not be a usb-storage device, in which case you'll want to look at gphoto2 |
| 15:11.02 | yora | petemc: it is.. |
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| 15:11.17 | Adriel_BR | petemc, i dont know.. the logs are here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/rbJj9v45.html |
| 15:11.25 | idan | sould i restart any service after editing crontab -e ? |
| 15:11.34 | Fox | idan: no |
| 15:11.43 | petemc | Adriel_BR: sendmail? good luck with that.. |
| 15:11.56 | Adriel_BR | petemc, ? |
| 15:13.47 | abrotman | junix|work: which version ? |
| 15:13.54 | abrotman | junix|work: ich 5/6/7? |
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| 15:16.42 | idan | i have edited /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root and checked with cron -e, but it still do the cron |
| 15:17.01 | cahoot | yora: is usb-storage loaded? (lsmod should tell) |
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| 15:17.44 | petemc | idan: didnt you say it was another user that set up the cronjob? |
| 15:18.01 | idan | it was my user (root), but my friend set it up |
| 15:18.21 | petemc | idan: did you check /etc/crontab ? |
| 15:18.22 | stew | idan: "crontab -u username -e" to edit another users crontab |
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| 15:18.37 | idan | stew: i didnt say it was another user mm.. |
| 15:18.44 | idan | petemc: yep, no such file |
| 15:18.55 | petemc | no such file? |
| 15:19.05 | idan | sorry, there is such file but not the line i need |
| 15:19.06 | petemc | thats odd.. |
| 15:19.10 | petemc | oh |
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| 15:19.34 | junix|work | abrotman: i don't understand, which version of what? |
| 15:19.40 | idan | i did crontab -r.. |
| 15:19.41 | idan | thats it :) |
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| 15:19.54 | abrotman | junix|work: which version/model of intel sata controller |
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| 15:20.41 | fourat | how to install postgres 8.1 on a Debian Sarge 'Stable' ? i wont use the Unstable |
| 15:20.49 | pipeline | fourat: backports. |
| 15:20.55 | pipeline | fourat: google sarge backports |
| 15:21.08 | pipeline | dpkg: google sarge backports |
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| 15:21.17 | pipeline | !google sarge backports |
| 15:21.19 | pipeline | cursed bot |
| 15:21.24 | cydork | fourat: or /msg dpkg bpo |
| 15:21.34 | Cctoide | Is there documentation on recommended partitioning schemes for debian? |
| 15:21.44 | asg | Cctoide: in the install manual |
| 15:21.57 | asg | Cctoide: also, see the harden-doc package |
| 15:22.03 | pipeline | Cctoide: 100M boot, 2x RAM swap, the rest in root. |
| 15:23.17 | junix|work | abrotman: i'm not sure, Dell hides all that info...it looked like 801G |
| 15:25.11 | abrotman | junix|work: how new is the machine ? |
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| 15:25.28 | junix|work | NEW |
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| 15:25.37 | petemc | junix|work: have you tried the etch installer? |
| 15:25.48 | junix|work | petemc: no where can I get it? |
| 15:26.03 | petemc | internet, not hard to find.. |
| 15:26.44 | abrotman | !tell junix|work about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 15:26.46 | abrotman | !tell junix|work about d-i |
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| 15:27.44 | oijooo | can someone tell me how to get my USB mounted or recognized by debian? |
| 15:27.55 | stew | oijooo: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 15:27.59 | oijooo | it used to recognize it automatically |
| 15:28.01 | junix|work | which version of etch should i install, beta3? |
| 15:28.09 | petemc | try the latest |
| 15:28.10 | junix|work | or the weekly snapshot? |
| 15:28.13 | junix|work | or daily? |
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| 15:28.31 | stew | !usb-storage is also ask me about <automount> |
| 15:28.31 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 15:29.03 | petemc | i used a thing called usbmount to automount usb stuff in the past |
| 15:29.09 | oijooo | !usb-storage |
| 15:29.09 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 15:29.21 | junix|work | petemc: which testing installer should i use? |
| 15:29.24 | pitio | can anyone pleas help me i am trying to install my Printer it is a HP how can i install it and make it available when printing with openoffice? |
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| 15:29.40 | cydork | !tell pitio about printers |
| 15:29.48 | petemc | junix|work: dude, why dont you just try one, whatever is most recent |
| 15:30.05 | abrotman | barbie? |
| 15:30.07 | junix|work | ok...i'll do wekkyl then |
| 15:30.09 | oijooo | how do I check to see if those modules (usb-storage and sd_mod) are already loaded??? |
| 15:30.24 | asg | oijooo: lsmod |
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| 15:30.29 | Cctoide | Isn /home usually in a different partition than / ? |
| 15:30.42 | asg | Cctoide: it depends on how you partition things out |
| 15:31.15 | Cctoide | I'm using the <pipeline> Cctoide: 100M boot, 2x RAM swap, the rest in root. suggestion as base |
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| 15:31.40 | asg | Cctoide: then /home would be just another directory under / with that scheme |
| 15:31.42 | Cyorxamp | Hey, if I have USB pen drive connected to the PC almost constantly - can i whack a mount command in the fstab and rely on it being ready when the PC starts? |
| 15:31.51 | oijooo | asg: the usb-storage and sd_mod are already loaded! So why doesn't my usb drive appear? |
| 15:32.12 | asg | oijooo: appear? Does dmesg show that it was found? Have you mounted it yet? |
| 15:32.50 | oijooo | asg: it's not listed in /proc/partitions |
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| 15:33.29 | Cctoide | asg: yeah, I was wondering how much to allocate for / in case I wanted /home in another partition |
| 15:33.32 | asg | oijooo: 1) use dmesg to find which device it's been assigned to (usually /dev/sda*). 2) mount /dev/sda* /mnt/point |
| 15:33.51 | oijooo | mount /dev/sda |
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| 15:34.37 | Cyorxamp | anyone know?>?>/@ |
| 15:34.48 | oijooo | mount /dev/sda yields can't find /dev/sda in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 15:35.26 | asg | Cctoide: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
| 15:35.26 | cr3 | is there a way to profile ethernet traffic to determine whether it is a bottleneck in general or for a particular host? |
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| 15:36.10 | tam | i noticed that in dvdrecord there is no flag/option to decide on how many copies of a certain disk you'd like...does anyojne have a work around for this? |
| 15:36.24 | oijooo | how do you tell debia to reload fstab after you've edited it? |
| 15:36.25 | Hoxzer | where I can check my boot log? |
| 15:36.30 | tam | dmesg |
| 15:36.40 | tam | oijooo: mount -a |
| 15:36.42 | tam | as root |
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| 15:37.39 | asg | oijooo: you don't, just mount /mnt/point (after you put a correct fstab entry in) |
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| 15:38.51 | oijooo | asg, tam: mount /dev/sda gives "mount: No medium found" error!! |
| 15:38.58 | oijooo | what should I do? |
| 15:39.45 | asg | oijooo: put the usb thingy in, wait 10 seconds, paste the output of /bin/dmesg in a paster (/msg dpkg paster) |
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| 15:42.29 | mick_linux | can someone tell me how to do a MAC->IP lookup? |
| 15:42.41 | mick_linux | what manpage to look at anyway ;) |
| 15:42.45 | comfrey | mick_linux: ifconfig |
| 15:42.52 | mick_linux | nono |
| 15:42.54 | asg | mick_linux: arp and rarp |
| 15:43.00 | mick_linux | thanks |
| 15:43.03 | comfrey | oh mick_linux yeah, arp |
| 15:43.11 | mick_linux | rarp is most likely what i want |
| 15:44.29 | mick_linux | hmm, man arp doesn't seem to have what i want |
| 15:44.44 | mick_linux | it seems like i need to know the hostname |
| 15:45.26 | mick_linux | and it doesn't do lookups |
| 15:45.44 | mick_linux | just on the particular box that i run it on (arp -a) |
| 15:46.19 | mick_linux | what i want is to do -> some_app mac_address, that it gives me back info like ip address and hostname |
| 15:46.43 | ofer1 | on the local network, yeah? |
| 15:46.47 | mick_linux | ya |
| 15:47.11 | mick_linux | and my uncool airport express doesn't show a dhcp client list |
| 15:47.24 | mick_linux | i want to know the i.p. of my IAXy |
| 15:47.55 | dorel__ | i remember seeing tools that create an installation disc from a currently running system, anyone remember one of those? |
| 15:47.57 | mick_linux | ofer1: any ideas? |
| 15:48.18 | clif4d | is there a utility/init script where proc values can be set easily on boot, similar to sysfsutils for sysfs? |
| 15:48.18 | SlayerXP | dorel__: mondorescue |
| 15:48.36 | oijooo | asg: my pastebin with usb situation is here: http://pastebin.ca/177631 |
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| 15:48.43 | oijooo | please tell me what you think! |
| 15:49.06 | Anjo_da_Morte | clif4d /etc/sysctl.conf ? |
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| 15:49.28 | surrounder | rofl! |
| 15:49.46 | stew | oijooo: does "fdisk -l /dev/sda" list any partitions? do you know that it has a partition? |
| 15:50.16 | clif4d | Anjo_da_Morte: doesn't that only allow changing files in /proc/sys, and not fx /proc/acpi ? |
| 15:50.36 | Anjo_da_Morte | that allows changes in proc |
| 15:50.51 | Anjo_da_Morte | you should alredy have some values in there for net |
| 15:50.51 | Anjo_da_Morte | for ex |
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| 15:52.29 | clif4d | Anjo_da_Morte: then the man page isn't very clear, since it states: "sysctl is used to modify kernel parameters at runtime. The parameters available are those listed under /proc/sys/." |
| 15:52.42 | CarlFK | how do I find what deb supplies /lib/libartskde.a ? |
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| 15:52.49 | asg | CarlFK: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:53.02 | Anjo_da_Morte | clif4d sysctl -a |
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| 15:53.09 | dorel__ | SlayerXP: thanks but their 'about' page is kinda slim on information |
| 15:53.12 | Anjo_da_Morte | it shows all the keys you can change... |
| 15:53.21 | CarlFK | asg: thanks |
| 15:53.30 | SlayerXP | dorel__: i've been playing with it recently, it mostly works. |
| 15:53.42 | clif4d | CarlFK: apt-file search does the trick as well |
| 15:53.44 | kintaro0e | hello everyone..i install bind9 to my internal server..if i bought a pc and want to be part of the foo.com..how will i add it? |
| 15:54.02 | asg | dorel__: the bootcd package can create a live cd from a running system and also transfer that system to a new box |
| 15:54.32 | oijooo | asg: yes, there are 4 partitions list. I did not know anything about this! |
| 15:54.32 | oijooo | now what? |
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| 15:55.05 | asg | oijooo: did you see what stew asked above? |
| 15:55.20 | dorel__ | asg/slayerxp: im not looking for something to be a live-cd but rather take the current state of my linux system and put it on a cd/dvd so that i can deploy it again later on another computer with different hd specs... is that mondo or bootcd? |
| 15:55.34 | asg | dorel__: both can do it |
| 15:55.39 | stew | oijooo: if there are 4 partitions they are /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda3 /dev/sda4 |
| 15:55.52 | SlayerXP | dorel__: mondo can do that, yes. |
| 15:56.08 | oijooo | stew, asg: yes, that is correct |
| 15:56.10 | dorel__ | ok thanks. |
| 15:56.17 | oijooo | that is what they are |
| 15:56.46 | dorel__ | SlayerXP/asg: im wondering how would it handle differences in partitions on other systems...? |
| 15:57.30 | SlayerXP | dorel__: during the recovery you have an option to tweak the layout. |
| 15:57.49 | SlayerXP | dorel__: I have, for example. take an image of a scsi based system and installed it on an IDE based system |
| 15:57.53 | clif4d | is there a utility/init script where proc values (such as /proc/acpi/something) can be set easily on boot, similar to sysfsutils for sysfs? |
| 15:57.57 | asg | dorel__: there is a config file with bootcd that can be used to create custom partitioning schemes. |
| 15:58.04 | dorel__ | ahh i see |
| 15:58.26 | dorel__ | ok that definitely requires me to read more about it |
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| 15:58.27 | asg | dorel__: and, because it's running from a live cd, it can be edited to suit without remastering the disc. |
| 15:58.34 | stew | oijooo: are you a gnome user? |
| 15:58.36 | oijooo | stew: so why can't I get to the usb-drive ??? |
| 15:58.40 | CyberShadow | can someone drop an one-liner to targz my home folder and e-mail it to an address? |
| 15:58.43 | oijooo | stew: yes, I'm on gnome |
| 15:58.54 | stew | oijooo: do you have the gnome-volume-manager package installed? |
| 15:59.08 | oijooo | stew: where would I see that? |
| 15:59.08 | stew | oijooo: it should be automounting these things for you if they are mountable |
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| 15:59.13 | asg | CyberShadow: tar -cvzf /tmp/foo.tgz /home ; mutt -s 'Backup' -a /tmp/foo.tgz me@bar |
| 15:59.22 | CyberShadow | thanks. |
| 15:59.25 | ofer1 | I install php4 (aptitude install php4) on etch, and I don't have the php binary installed. is it possible? |
| 15:59.30 | oijooo | stew: I used to have it, because it was always automounting until today |
| 15:59.31 | stew | oijooo: what does "apt-cache policy gnome-volume-manager" say for "Installed:"? |
| 15:59.38 | asg | ofer1: install php4-cgi |
| 15:59.40 | stew | oijooo: what does "uname -r" say as well |
| 16:00.05 | oijooo | stew: installed: none :( |
| 16:00.18 | stew | oijooo: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:00.22 | dorel__ | asg: yeah bootcd definitely sounds much more fun having the livecd ability... |
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| 16:00.27 | oijooo | stew: 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 16:00.29 | ofer1 | asg, thanks1 |
| 16:00.36 | stew | oijooo: install gnome-volume-manager then |
| 16:00.36 | oijooo | stew: output of uname -r |
| 16:00.42 | cahoot | stew: any idea why oijooo gets 'sda: unknown partition table' ? |
| 16:00.43 | asg | dorel__: do eval both that and mondo though |
| 16:00.43 | oijooo | yep, doing it now |
| 16:00.58 | perlmonkey | whats the package name for reconfiguring x? |
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| 16:01.09 | asg | perlmonkey: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 16:01.18 | gallus | hi |
| 16:01.20 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 16:01.46 | stew | cahoot: i would guess becuase its not partitioned |
| 16:02.10 | oijooo | stew: I got some errors while installing: udev, initramfs-tools, hal, gnome-volume-manager |
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| 16:02.32 | ma3x | hi I see connection in netstat tcp6 0 0 ::ffff:192.168.1.2:ssh gaboo.org:55886 ESTABLISHED |
| 16:02.37 | ma3x | but nobody is sshed to my box? |
| 16:02.38 | stew | oijooo: put them into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:02.43 | ma3x | might that be hack attempt or something? |
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| 16:03.00 | gallus | do you know why sometime when I use dmesg to see kernl messege I simply obtain: usb-storage: Bulk status result = 0 ? |
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| 16:03.39 | stew | ma3x: it could be either. how do you know that nobody sshed to your box? |
| 16:03.40 | ma3x | how do I display all processes that use the net connections? |
| 16:03.48 | oijooo | stew: http://pastebin.ca/177664 |
| 16:03.58 | ma3x | stew, nobody 'should' be sshed to my box. but somebody could have hacked it |
| 16:04.00 | ma3x | how do I check? |
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| 16:04.03 | stew | ma3x: add a p to the netstat switched |
| 16:04.06 | stew | switches* |
| 16:04.38 | dorel__ | any idea if i can simply copy the vmware directory of a machine (with all the .vmdk .vmx etc files) from one box to another and it would play/run it the same? |
| 16:04.49 | asg | dorel__: it should |
| 16:05.04 | stew | oijooo: do you have the yaird package installed? |
| 16:05.12 | dorel__ | ok then im gonna try that first and then check the bootcd/mondo |
| 16:05.20 | stew | oijooo: try a "dpkg --configure -a" and a "apt-get -f install" |
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| 16:05.32 | stew | oijooo: it looks like some previous install/upgrade had problems |
| 16:05.35 | ma3x | stew, so how do I know what this connection is tcp6 0 0 ::ffff:192.168.1.2:ssh gaboo.org:51943 ESTABLISHED- |
| 16:05.44 | ma3x | stew, when I do finger, or 'w' there is nobody |
| 16:05.54 | ma3x | how do I really find out if somebody is logged in or not |
| 16:06.00 | ma3x | or if its a hack attempt or something |
| 16:06.03 | gallus | gallus I don't obtain the correct output of dmesg |
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| 16:06.06 | stew | ma3x: add p to the switches. what command did you use to find that? |
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| 16:06.14 | stew | ma3x: also check /var/log/auth.log |
| 16:06.29 | park | hello , i downgraded gcc , how can i use the downgrade version ? |
| 16:06.43 | ma3x | stew, I did add p, but that shows nothing about the ssh |
| 16:06.49 | azeem | park: how did you downgrade it? |
| 16:06.49 | stew | ma3x: run it as root |
| 16:06.52 | ma3x | stew, just about the other connections |
| 16:06.55 | ma3x | stew, ok |
| 16:06.59 | oijooo | stew: I've run those commands: dpkg, apt-get -f install >> yields errors, I'll paste them if you want |
| 16:07.09 | park | azeem, i just install 2.95 version |
| 16:07.12 | stew | oijooo: 'dpkg --configure -a' ? |
| 16:07.36 | azeem | park: then export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-2.95 or whatever the binary is called |
| 16:07.36 | stew | oijooo: if you've run dpkg --configure -a, i'd like to see the errors from apt-get -f install |
| 16:07.41 | azeem | decent programs should use that |
| 16:07.46 | gallus | Everything seems to work but the output of dmesg is not correct |
| 16:07.50 | azeem | park: or change the /usr/bin/gcc symlink yourself |
| 16:08.03 | oijooo | stew: here they are >>> http://pastebin.ca/177672 |
| 16:08.07 | ma3x | stew, I see a lot of failed attempts in the log file. like : Sep 20 18:15:26 ma3x sshd[20816]: Failed password for root from 88.191.19.59 port 33516 ssh2 |
| 16:08.36 | stew | ma3x: yes, that would be expected for a public facing server with an open port 22, welcome to the internet |
| 16:08.53 | ma3x | stew, what should I do, should I change the ssh port? |
| 16:09.02 | stew | ma3x: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:09.06 | park | azeem, i'll use CC:/usr/bin/gcc-2.95 make ->does this applay gcc 2.95 on make |
| 16:09.19 | Ronin | ma3x: welcome to log files and ssh attempts |
| 16:09.20 | stew | ma3x: no matter what, you should make sure all your password are strong passwords |
| 16:09.21 | azeem | park: this depends on the Makefile |
| 16:09.29 | azeem | park: well written Makefiles will do that |
| 16:09.30 | oijooo | stew: if I try to install yaird, I get the same error message as earlier, processing errors with udev, hal, gnome-volume-manager and initramfs-tools |
| 16:09.32 | ma3x | stew, sid |
| 16:09.35 | azeem | park: I suggest you just try it out |
| 16:09.40 | stew | oijooo: i don't think you should install yaird |
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| 16:09.44 | azeem | park: why do you need gcc-2.95, btw? |
| 16:09.46 | stew | oijooo: have you run dpkg --configure -a |
| 16:09.48 | oijooo | I tried to do it already |
| 16:09.57 | ma3x | stew, when I ran netstat -p as root I still see that line: tcp6 0 0 ::ffff:192.168.1.2:ssh gaboo.org:57448 ESTABLISHED- |
| 16:09.59 | stew | ma3x: install fail2ban, which will firewall off someone after the 3rd failed attempt |
| 16:10.02 | oijooo | stew, yes I ran dpkg --configure -a |
| 16:10.23 | oijooo | similar error messages |
| 16:11.04 | stew | oijooo: what happens when you run "apt-get install udev"? |
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| 16:11.49 | oijooo | stew: checking |
| 16:12.13 | ma3x | stew, is this normal: Sep 18 06:25:03 ma3x su[10406]: Successful su for nobody by root Sep 18 06:25:04 ma3x su[10406]: + ??? root:nobody |
| 16:12.25 | oijooo | it's installing and setting up those other programs |
| 16:12.30 | oijooo | stew: looks like that helped |
| 16:12.44 | stew | ma3x: that is normal. that is some root process switching to the nobody user before it does some task, so that it is safer |
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| 16:13.29 | oijooo | stew: apt-cache policy gnome-volume-manager >> installed ! |
| 16:14.13 | ma3x | stew, so what else do I do when I receive such attepmts. now do I report this gaboo.org somewhere or what? |
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| 16:14.28 | Cctoide | Does netinst support nVidia nForce networking controllers? |
| 16:14.33 | ma3x | ep 20 17:56:26 ma3x sshd[19994]: (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=gaboo.org Sep 20 17:56:29 ma3x sshd[19994]: Failed password for invalid user rusticos from 88.191.19.59 port 36136 ssh2 |
| 16:14.57 | ma3x | there are 1000 attempts like that |
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| 16:15.09 | ma3x | i did install fail2ban now |
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| 16:15.41 | stew | ma3x: make sure your passwords are strong. if you have fail2ban installed you can feel a bit safer |
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| 16:15.57 | oijooo | stew: I now see the USB volume on the desktop, but I can't enter the volume and view what is on it |
| 16:16.19 | oijooo | stew: what the heck is happening here??? |
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| 16:16.29 | oijooo | stew: "you do not have permission to view the contents" |
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| 16:16.55 | stew | oijooo: what is the filesystem type? |
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| 16:17.54 | stew | ma3x: if you run "host gaboo.org" you find out the ip, then run "whois ip" which tells you the netblock owner, there should be an email for abuse in that whois results, which would be the proper place to report the event. however, if you try to report everyone that makes an ssh attempt on your box you will drive yourself insane |
| 16:18.02 | oijooo | stew: hmmm, FAT, I think |
| 16:18.09 | stew | oijooo: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 16:18.21 | SeanTater | Every time I print from debian etch to Ubuntu Dapper (with Listen 192.168.1.11:631 in ports.conf) I get exactly this on what's printed -> $$ <- what should I do? |
| 16:18.31 | ma3x | stew, so should I move the ssh port to some other port? |
| 16:18.41 | park | azeem, i'll use CC:/usr/bin/gcc-2.95 make ->does this applay gcc 2.95 on make |
| 16:18.49 | park | oh sorry |
| 16:18.57 | Ronin | ma3x: dont get so worried about it, its a common attempt, my logs are full of that |
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| 16:19.34 | cahoot | ma3x: disable pw login - accept only passphrase |
| 16:20.27 | ma3x | cahoot, like question and answer?? |
| 16:20.35 | ma3x | what's passphrase like? |
| 16:20.43 | ma3x | and how do I disable pw and enable passphrase? |
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| 16:21.24 | ma3x | stew, it says gaboo@gaboo.org. the attacker might be the owner. so what use is it if I report that to him? |
| 16:21.33 | Ronin | no use at all ma3x, |
| 16:21.51 | cahoot | ma3x: here's the first catch on google: http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/ssh-howto.html |
| 16:22.01 | ma3x | thanks |
| 16:22.46 | stew | ma3x: no gaboo.org is not the netblock owner |
| 16:23.14 | stew | ma3x: ProXad is the netblock owner |
| 16:23.19 | stew | ma3x: remarks: trouble: Spam/Abuse requests: mailto:abuse@proxad.net |
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| 16:23.42 | ma3x | stew, excuse me, i did whois gaboo.org instead of the ip. so should I email them my log? |
| 16:23.43 | Cctoide | Hm... back. I didn't find any nForce drivers for ethernet in the netinst :\ |
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| 16:24.25 | Cctoide | What should I pick? |
| 16:24.32 | stew | ma3x: sure. but don't go too crazy. you will find that emailing abuse@ for every attempt is a full time job |
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| 16:24.54 | synic | anyone know if there's a way to make a highly available nfs server using heartbeat /without/ drbd? |
| 16:25.06 | stew | ma3x: password and passphrase are the same thing. perhaps he mant only allow key based authentication |
| 16:25.27 | stew | ma3x: if you are really still worried (which i don't think you should be) then you should consider using iptables to limit access to only the ip addresses you trust |
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| 16:26.49 | ma3x | stew, that's not necessary, i'll be calm and not worry |
| 16:26.54 | ma3x | stew, thanks a lot! |
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| 16:28.26 | RichiH | haldrik: on the console? |
| 16:28.33 | RichiH | console-config |
| 16:29.13 | haldrik | RichiH: on printer |
| 16:29.17 | Bazy | Hello guys... Does anyone know a website where you select what disto you want to use, what IP's... you make a "web installation" and then you download the .iso and just "install-and-go" |
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| 16:30.03 | RichiH | haldrik: oh |
| 16:30.05 | RichiH | no idea :) |
| 16:30.16 | haldrik | RichiH: reconfigure fonts of system |
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| 16:31.45 | grumbel | is there any way to disable the use of .pdiffs when doing a 'apt-get update'? |
| 16:31.47 | Braindead | RichiH: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig ,but your question is pretty vague |
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| 16:32.02 | Pretor1ab | hello all |
| 16:32.03 | stew | grumbel: /msg dpkg pdiff |
| 16:32.14 | RichiH | Braindead: s/richih/haldrik |
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| 16:32.23 | RichiH | !pdiff |
| 16:32.23 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 16:32.27 | Pretor1ab | i have been looking into streaming flash content -- has anyone any pointers before i jump in please? |
| 16:32.35 | grumbel | stew: ok, thanks |
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| 16:33.01 | haldrik | RichiH: I speak a few of english |
| 16:33.04 | octan | anyone got xgl and mythtv working together? |
| 16:33.15 | haldrik | RichiH: Im from colombia |
| 16:33.34 | Braindead | RichiH: yeap,sorry |
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| 16:33.45 | RichiH | haldrik: i just told Braindead that he should talk to you |
| 16:33.57 | Braindead | haldrik: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig ,but your question is pretty vague |
| 16:34.25 | haldrik | RichiH: thanks |
| 16:34.39 | haldrik | Braindead: ok, I understand |
| 16:35.01 | Cctoide | still no luck ... |
| 16:35.31 | Pretor1ab | i use darwin streaming server for movies but is there an equivalent for flash |
| 16:35.52 | haldrik | Braindead: my fonts on print, show m char cut. and dont show á,é,í,ó,ú, ñ, I hava msfonts |
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| 16:36.54 | Cctoide | My ethernet card is an "NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller"... debian install doesn't seem to recognize it.. |
| 16:37.11 | stew | Cctoide: try "modprobe forcedeth" |
| 16:37.12 | Cctoide | I tried the "forcedeth" driver but it couldn't load it |
| 16:37.14 | valdyn | Cctoide: which kernel are you using to install? |
| 16:37.51 | Braindead | haldrik: this may help you http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/stestu.html |
| 16:38.02 | Cctoide | (I'm using netinst) |
| 16:38.07 | Cctoide | uh |
| 16:38.12 | haldrik | Braindead: thanks |
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| 16:38.16 | stew | Cctoide: are you using the 2.4 kernel or the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 16:39.33 | valdyn | !linux26 |
| 16:39.40 | stew | amazing |
| 16:40.00 | stew | !listkeys linux26 |
| 16:40.02 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'linux26' by key returned no results. |
| 16:40.08 | stew | !listvalues linux26 |
| 16:40.10 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'linux26' by value (2): init 426 error ;; init426. |
| 16:40.17 | ofer1 | !kernel26 |
| 16:41.34 | stew | linux26 is the sarge installer comes with both a 2.4 and 2.6 kernel. It defaults to 2.4 which may not work for newer hardware. If you have trouble installing with the default kernel, try the 2.6 kernel by typing "linux26" at the boot: prompt of the installer CD |
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| 16:42.01 | Cctoide | okay, I'll try that, thanks |
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| 16:42.25 | valdyn | dpkg, linux26 is see <kernel26> |
| 16:42.25 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
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| 16:42.44 | clusty | i need a bit of help with apache2 conf: how can I make it ask for pass for every folder ? |
| 16:42.54 | stew | !factinfo kernel26 |
| 16:42.55 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as kernel26, stew |
| 16:42.58 | Cctoide | BRB |
| 16:43.00 | stew | !linux26 is the sarge installer comes with both a 2.4 and 2.6 kernel. It defaults to 2.4 which may not work for newer hardware. If you have trouble installing with the default kernel, try the 2.6 kernel by typing "linux26" at the boot: prompt of the installer CD |
| 16:43.01 | dpkg | ...but linux26 is already something else... |
| 16:43.02 | asg | clusty: have you consulted #apache yet? |
| 16:43.02 | guevolt | how I empty the cache memory ? |
| 16:43.05 | stew | !no linux26 is the sarge installer comes with both a 2.4 and 2.6 kernel. It defaults to 2.4 which may not work for newer hardware. If you have trouble installing with the default kernel, try the 2.6 kernel by typing "linux26" at the boot: prompt of the installer CD |
| 16:43.05 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 16:43.23 | clusty | asg, no response there |
| 16:43.35 | valdyn | ops, thanks stew |
| 16:43.39 | asg | clusty: install apache-doc |
| 16:43.43 | clusty | asg, tried linux/apache channels |
| 16:43.49 | asg | clusty: or apache2-doc |
| 16:43.59 | clusty | asg, will give it a try |
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| 16:44.27 | asg | clusty: look for bits that involve htpasswd(1) |
| 16:44.40 | valdyn | guevolt: why would you do that? |
| 16:46.19 | andax | how do I prevent people abusing the php mail() command? is there a way to disable userid 33 (www-data) to send out mail? (sarge+postfix) |
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| 16:46.22 | guevolt | valdyn: I have low memory to do a co(checkout) in a repository on my server. :) |
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| 16:46.39 | valdyn | guevolt: freeing cache would not help that |
| 16:46.59 | asg | andax: there is a setting to prevent certain function calls from working in /etc/php4/apache*/php.ini |
| 16:47.10 | valdyn | guevolt: cache is memory that is only available for caching because its not required for something else |
| 16:47.27 | valdyn | guevolt: it will be freed when any program needs that memory |
| 16:47.30 | asg | andax: alternately, you could use iptables with the owner match feature to prevent userid 33 from sending traffic to outbound port 25 |
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| 16:47.53 | guevolt | valdyn: do you know how I see how many space a process is using on the system ? |
| 16:47.53 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 16:48.52 | valdyn | guevolt: thats tricky, top can show some values, but none of them can really tell how much memory a specific program uses |
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| 16:49.30 | valdyn | guevolt: as an example, programs can ask for memory from X, that memory wont show as used by that program but as used by X |
| 16:50.21 | asg | guevolt: you might check pmap(1) |
| 16:50.47 | andax | asg, do you mean something like this?: "iptables --insert OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner 33 -p tcp --destination-port 25 -j DROP" ? |
| 16:50.47 | guevolt | humm.. I found the problem. the cvs is using 40% of my memory |
| 16:51.35 | andax | i mean, i should put this in the output chain right? |
| 16:51.35 | asg | andax: something like that. #iptables will know more |
| 16:51.36 | Braindead | guevolt: the OOM killer should handle such problems but I just don't think it's this case |
| 16:51.36 | andax | thanks |
| 16:52.31 | asg | guevolt: if your real memory + swap isn't enough to run the process, try creating a temp swapfile large enough via loopback. |
| 16:52.34 | grumbel | can I get apt-get to download packages from multiple mirrors at once, from what I can tell it automatically does that for 'update', but not for 'upgrade'? |
| 16:53.11 | valdyn | grumbel: why? |
| 16:53.11 | azeem | grumbel: it does if those packages are in different repos |
| 16:53.17 | guevolt | asg: yep.. I think I will need do it |
| 16:53.57 | grumbel | valdyn: to get faster downloads, all mirrors I have tried so far didn't go faster then 400kb/s |
| 16:54.19 | grumbel | valdyn: downloading from multiple at once would easily get 2000kb/s or whatever I need |
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| 16:54.44 | kober | Hey, is there a way to manually refresh the list of wireless networks in network-gnome-manager? It gets stuck sometimes and the only way I can fix it is a reboot |
| 16:54.55 | grumbel | azeem: I trying to download from a single repository, ie. unstable/main |
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| 16:55.07 | azeem | grumbel: then not |
| 16:55.10 | asg | kober: kill network-gnome-manager and re-run it? |
| 16:55.22 | valdyn | grumbel: im not sure that would fix it as im getting above 400kb easily from various debian mirrors |
| 16:55.26 | asg | kober: also, /msg dpkg #gnome |
| 16:55.30 | valdyn | grumbel: though it might, sure |
| 16:55.34 | kober | asg: so there isn't a service running it? |
| 16:55.45 | azeem | kober: /etc/init.d/dbus restart |
| 16:55.52 | grumbel | valdyn: which one? |
| 16:55.57 | kober | azeem: thanks |
| 16:56.01 | asg | kober: no idea, I don't use gnome |
| 16:56.01 | valdyn | grumbel: you can only split that up as far as you can split repositories into multiple deb lines |
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| 16:56.07 | Anarka | i get around 1.5 MB/s from the swedish mirror |
| 16:56.09 | Madeye | Hey, I'm running fresh installation of Sarge, 24 hours ago I added new.domain.db to /etc/bind and linked to it via the named.conf.local and the domain already pointed to the DNS but this still not effective, Any idea what would be the problem ? How to test the configuration of the zonefile ? |
| 16:56.11 | kober | asg: network-gnome-manager has nothing to do with the #gnome channel |
| 16:56.12 | valdyn | grumbel: ftp.de.debian.org, ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 16:56.23 | grumbel | valdyn: de only gives me 200kb/s |
| 16:56.24 | kober | asg: it just shares the name because it was developed to work on gnome |
| 16:56.45 | Anarka | grumbel try se |
| 16:57.06 | Anarka | i'm in se but... it's pretty fast |
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| 16:59.38 | klork | hullo guys, where do i look for logs of a startup init script, tomcat5.5 in particular? |
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| 17:00.36 | Ox0F0-0FF | humm |
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| 17:02.26 | valdyn | !bootlog |
| 17:02.26 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 17:02.31 | valdyn | klork: ^^^ |
| 17:02.58 | asg | klork: tomcat usually logs to /where/ever/you/put/tomcat/logs (if you used a debian package for tomcat, it's probably in /var/log/tomcat*) |
| 17:03.09 | pinky | Where should I go to find out how to enable the DVI port on my GeForce 6800GT (VGA port is fine)? |
| 17:03.23 | klork | asg, ya tomcat logs there but its init script dont |
| 17:03.29 | pinky | I'm using Nvidia's proprietary drivers... |
| 17:04.06 | asg | klork: well, the init script either works (doesn't print anything besides 'starting tomcat.') or it doesn't (sometimes prints even less) |
| 17:05.03 | klork | valdyn, thanks.. |
| 17:05.23 | klork | asg, ya the init script prints a gud msg that i wanna use in the reportbug |
| 17:06.06 | asg | klork: then just run /etc/init.d/foo start and save the output |
| 17:06.40 | klork | asg: hehe! the problem is the script works fine on starting later but not during boot :) |
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| 17:07.40 | asg | klork: see what valdyn said above then |
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| 17:07.59 | moparfan90 | hello |
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| 17:08.11 | beered | My website works fine when I try to open domain.org, but when I change the URL to www.domain.com I don't get a webpage, instead a file is downloaded. I can't figure out why. Any suggestions? |
| 17:08.18 | moparfan90 | i installed debian today. and gnome. |
| 17:08.20 | valdyn | pinky: http://www.nvidia.com/ |
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| 17:08.27 | klork | asg, yep valdyn: do i just comment to line or replace 'No' by 'yes'/'Yes' ? |
| 17:08.35 | moparfan90 | i have a ati x800gto video card. what drive package do i need? |
| 17:08.47 | Cctoide | stew: Worked with linux26 ... though DHCP didn't work... I set it up manually, then it told me no partitionable media could be found |
| 17:08.48 | lord_rob | Hi ! "export | grep LC" displays nothing. Do I need to set locales environment variables manually or did I miss a package ? |
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| 17:09.07 | Madeye | Hey, I'm running fresh installation of Sarge, 24 hours ago I added new.domain.db to /etc/bind and linked to it via the named.conf.local and the domain already pointed to the DNS but this still not effective, Any idea what would be the problem ? How to test the configuration of the zonefile ? |
| 17:09.25 | stew | moparfan90: debian stable, aka sarge? or etch aka testing? |
| 17:09.31 | Cctoide | stew: It's a SATA drive |
| 17:09.35 | moparfan90 | stable |
| 17:09.35 | park | how can i enable or use linux64 command to setarch. in debian . what is the name of the kg |
| 17:09.46 | stew | Cctoide: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
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| 17:10.04 | lord_rob | Cctoide: sata is not enabled by default, so your hard drive is not detected |
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| 17:10.32 | Cctoide | lord_rob: I see |
| 17:10.39 | valdyn | lord_rob: umm |
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| 17:11.41 | Cctoide | Is DHCP supposed to work normally? |
| 17:11.58 | valdyn | Cctoide: sure if there's a dhcp server |
| 17:12.01 | stew | moparfan90: that card isnt' supported by debian stable, your options are a) use a non-free driver from ati b) use a backported xorg and the xserver-xorg-video-ati package, c) |
| 17:12.05 | moparfan90 | whats the package i need for a ATI x800gto video card? |
| 17:12.13 | moparfan90 | o |
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| 17:12.34 | pipeline | moparfan90: Well, ATI cards newer than the Radeon 9250 don't work very well. |
| 17:12.41 | Cctoide | valdyn: well, my router is a Linksys WAG354G, DHCP server is on... something weird's going on here |
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| 17:12.56 | moparfan90 | i had ubuntu running.. with the new drivers from ati.. and it rasn great |
| 17:12.58 | moparfan90 | games and all |
| 17:13.06 | valdyn | Cctoide: run mii-tool <interface> |
| 17:13.24 | charzero | What does it mean if my hardware clock is ok, but my system clock loses minutes every day? |
| 17:13.40 | pipeline | charzero: That suggests that your RTC device doesn't work. |
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| 17:13.48 | valdyn | Cctoide: or ethtool <interface>, one of both should work and give useful output |
| 17:13.54 | stew | moparfan90: do you need 3d support? |
| 17:14.06 | moparfan90 | yes |
| 17:14.28 | stew | moparfan90: then you need to use a non-free driver, no driver from debian would support 3d on that card |
| 17:14.43 | Cctoide | none of this requires modifying the netinst iso? |
| 17:14.47 | JordiGH | Er, where was that hello package for wannabe dd's like myself? |
| 17:14.56 | moparfan90 | i need the ati drivers... ok... is thier a guide or how-to on this? |
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| 17:15.05 | asg | JordiGH: maint-guide |
| 17:15.09 | charzero | pipeline: isn't the RTC the hardware clock? |
| 17:15.09 | valdyn | Cctoide: hmm, i dont know if that tool is on netinst, doubt it |
| 17:15.15 | pipeline | charzero: No |
| 17:15.26 | Cctoide | valdyn: I'm starting to think netinst was a bad idea :P |
| 17:15.29 | pipeline | charzero: The hardware clock is about as accurate as a twenty cent digital watch. |
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| 17:15.34 | JordiGH | asg: no, no, I got that. I mean, there's a package out there on which I'm supposed to practice. Someone mentioned it here. It's called "hello". |
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| 17:15.36 | Cctoide | might get the CDs via BT |
| 17:15.56 | asg | JordiGH: it's called the 'hello' package |
| 17:15.58 | Eckraii | You sure they weren't just saying |
| 17:16.00 | Eckraii | hello? |
| 17:16.08 | JordiGH | !info hello |
| 17:16.10 | pipeline | charzero: It will lose a couple of minutes every time you turn the computer off |
| 17:16.11 | stew | Cctoide: which cds? |
| 17:16.12 | pipeline | charzero: that much is normal |
| 17:16.13 | dpkg | hello: (The classic greeting, and a good example), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.1.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 47 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
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| 17:16.19 | pipeline | charzero: but if it loses time while the computer is turned on, you have hardware problems :( |
| 17:16.23 | asg | JordiGH: I'd suggest learning some standard Debian administrative utilities (i.e. apt-cache) before jumping in |
| 17:16.31 | JordiGH | That's the one I'm supposed to package? |
| 17:16.34 | valdyn | !refcard |
| 17:16.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 17:16.37 | valdyn | JordiGH: ^^^ |
| 17:16.50 | charzero | pipeline: hwclock --show is correct, but date loses time. every couple of weeks i do ntpdate and hwclock --systohc, but then the system clock drifts again. |
| 17:16.51 | JordiGH | apt-cache search hello |
| 17:16.57 | JordiGH | apt-cache search I think I know this part. |
| 17:16.58 | pipeline | charzero: that's bad |
| 17:17.01 | asg | JordiGH: apt-cache show hello (read the Description) |
| 17:17.02 | moparfan90 | stew, do you know if there is a how-to or guide on how to install the non-free drivers? |
| 17:17.04 | park | how can i enable or use linux64 command to setarch. in debian . what is the name of the kg |
| 17:17.05 | JordiGH | aptitude search I prefer hello. |
| 17:17.06 | efaistos_ | does someone knows a good cybercafe GPL software ? |
| 17:17.06 | park | ???? |
| 17:17.06 | Cctoide | stew: these? http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
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| 17:17.14 | pipeline | charzero: "hwclock --show" implies that the clock works fine |
| 17:17.20 | pipeline | charzero: but the timing chip on the motherboard is fucked |
| 17:17.23 | stew | Cctoide: what cd are you using now? |
| 17:17.31 | Cctoide | netinst |
| 17:17.32 | JordiGH | efaistos_: I read good things about OpenKiosk, but it's not in debian. |
| 17:17.33 | charzero | pipeline: is it possibly a software issue? |
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| 17:17.37 | pipeline | charzero: linux loads the clock time at boot, and saves the clock time at shutdown, and in between uses the timing device on the motherboard, ignoring the hardware clock. |
| 17:17.41 | stew | Cctoide: if netinst doesn't work, neither will those |
| 17:17.47 | stew | Cctoide: those use the same kernels and the same installer |
| 17:17.50 | pipeline | charzero: it's almost certainly not a software issue. Untless this is vmware or something and you're running into nyquist bullshit :P |
| 17:17.53 | Cctoide | hm |
| 17:18.12 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 17:18.12 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 17:18.17 | lord_rob_ | Hi ! Sorry my connection crashed. How do I set my locales environment variables (LC_CTYPE ...). Do I need to do that manually ? |
| 17:18.20 | valdyn | Cctoide: mind that site dpkg listed |
| 17:18.31 | charzero | pipeline: nope. just linux 2.6 on etch. |
| 17:18.43 | pipeline | charzero: Yeah. Sounds like your motherboard is badly designed and/or broken. |
| 17:18.52 | pinky | valdyn: Hmm, any idea about anything more specific? A link to Nvidia's website isn't very helpful. |
| 17:19.04 | pipeline | charzero: If it only drifts a minute or two a day, you could use NTP to correct it. If it's a minute an hour or what-have-you, you'll need to just set up an ntpdate cron job :( :( :( |
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| 17:19.06 | Cctoide | valdyn: the files it mentions would be the ones on the netinst CD, right? |
| 17:19.20 | pipeline | charzero: you might be able to build a custom kernel with no support for the on-board timing device, forcing linux to use timing loops and the hardware clock :) |
| 17:19.36 | valdyn | pinky: i do expect you to be able to click your way through to their linux documentation. If you cant do that, then I'm sorry. |
| 17:19.40 | charzero | pipeline: I've got 4 others of the same model, and those are all fine. |
| 17:19.40 | wols_ | lord_rob_: do you have LANG* env variables? |
| 17:19.46 | pipeline | charzero: sounds like hardware failure, then |
| 17:19.47 | efaistos_ | JordiGH: ok i ll check that |
| 17:19.52 | asg | charzero: for vmware, we've only ever been able to get 2.4 kernels not to drift hideously |
| 17:20.15 | pipeline | asg: there's a new workaround for 2.6 kernels, btw |
| 17:20.21 | JordiGH | efaistos_: I'm assuming the terminals will be running Debian or another free distro. The OpenKiosk people don't freely distribute their Windows binaries. |
| 17:20.24 | pipeline | asg: It's really stupid, and I wrote it down somewhere. |
| 17:20.32 | asg | pipeline: oh, didn't know about that |
| 17:20.58 | JordiGH | efaistos_: If that doesn't work, just look around for kiosk software. There are many alternatives. |
| 17:21.05 | pipeline | asg: I had clock drift so bad that a ntpdate every five minutes in cron couldn't keep it within fifteen minutes of real time :P |
| 17:21.37 | JordiGH | !find kiosk |
| 17:21.38 | asg | pipeline: yeah, we couldn't even get ntpd to keep up. However, we don't have a problem running 2.4 so that worked for us. |
| 17:21.40 | dpkg | kiosktool: (tool to configure the KDE kiosk framework), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.0-1.1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 441 kB, Installed size: 1364 kB |
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| 17:21.58 | pipeline | asg: ahah. The kernel argument was "clock=pit" -- this disables the kernel's attempts to keep the clock sane. |
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| 17:22.13 | pipeline | asg: (Since vmware tools will keep the clock sane externally, but it looks screwy from the kernel's side of things...) |
| 17:22.20 | asg | pipeline: ah, cool. Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out for post-sarge. |
| 17:23.03 | wols_ | asg: what about running ntpdate on a crobjob? |
| 17:23.09 | wols_ | *cronjob |
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| 17:24.04 | asg | wols_: since we use kerberos for auth, we had issues where people couldn't log in due to really bad skew. |
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| 17:24.21 | stew | wols_: there is the ntp-simple package in sarge, or the ntp package in etch/sid which continuously updates the clock |
| 17:24.35 | Cctoide | I'm confused. Where am I supposed to edit sources.list? |
| 17:24.42 | asg | Cctoide: /etc/apt |
| 17:25.10 | stew | Cctoide: you aren't, you are supposed to use the installer with 2.6.16 from kmuto.jp |
| 17:25.33 | wols_ | stew: sure but ntpd has some icky problems when the clock skew is totally random, no? |
| 17:25.45 | stew | oh, yeah |
| 17:25.55 | pipeline | wols, stew : ntpd works fine with random clock skew, as long as the drift is very, very, very small :P |
| 17:25.58 | stew | wols_: but doesn't ntpdate have similar problems? |
| 17:26.10 | stew | oh skew |
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| 17:26.29 | wols_ | stew: sure, but if you do the cronjob intervals low enough, it should be too big of a problem |
| 17:26.31 | stew | give me more cold medicine instead |
| 17:26.39 | wols_ | kerberos makes it a bit impractical of course, so no solution for that |
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| 17:26.44 | asg | stew: don't have any, I have beer though |
| 17:26.55 | cydork | mmm beer |
| 17:26.58 | wols_ | *shouldn't |
| 17:27.06 | stew | asg: does it have dextromethorphan and pseudoephedrine in it? |
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| 17:27.22 | wols_ | doubt if beer would make it a more alert stew. quite the contrary I could imagine |
| 17:27.46 | wols_ | but with enough bear stew could fall asleep which isn't too bad with a bad cold either |
| 17:27.51 | asg | stew: that would depend where they got the water to make it |
| 17:28.01 | wols_ | *beer. bear keeps one awake no matter the dosage :) |
| 17:28.36 | wols_ | not many breweries next to pharmacies :) |
| 17:28.38 | streuner | asg: http://216.69.179.92:8000 |
| 17:29.10 | asg | streuner: what's this? |
| 17:29.18 | streuner | asg: Maiden |
| 17:29.33 | asg | streuner: the new album or one of the many bootlegs? |
| 17:29.42 | streuner | asg: no idea |
| 17:29.54 | asg | streuner: oh, children of the damned |
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| 17:30.06 | asg | streuner: of the 82 album, Number of the Beast |
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| 17:30.28 | nvz | I cant help but wonder what the messages about waiting for device to settle before probing is about.. doesnt seem like linux used to do that or at least didnt say it |
| 17:30.38 | nvz | seems to be related to usb-storage |
| 17:31.12 | nvz | I think its richard gooch is the main man on all that scsi stuff |
| 17:31.17 | stew | devices are more upity these days |
| 17:31.21 | nvz | sometimes I wish I had him on a dart board |
| 17:31.43 | nvz | though its mostly my shitty hardware.. I am sure he's one hell of a hacker |
| 17:31.51 | nvz | I just buy cheap crap |
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| 17:34.33 | streuner | asg: they played some hours ago "Waters" which is very rare |
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| 17:35.13 | asg | streuner: cool |
| 17:35.15 | nvz | hmm |
| 17:35.16 | pinky | How do I find the BusId of my graphics card? |
| 17:35.20 | pipeline | pinky: lspci |
| 17:35.26 | nvz | interesting.. someone other than me on a tangent |
| 17:35.28 | pipeline | pinky: it's in the pciutils package |
| 17:35.29 | streuner | asg: from the album "Amused to Death" which is even more rare... |
| 17:35.31 | abrotman | pinky: why do you need it ? |
| 17:35.48 | asg | pipeline: spoopin just told me that the clock= doesn't work with ESX. Apparently, some kernel variable tweakage is the most reliable way. |
| 17:35.50 | pinky | That just tells me "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV40 [GeForce 6800 GT] (rev a1)" |
| 17:35.52 | nvz | pinky: if you dont have multiple cards you can just leave it blank |
| 17:36.18 | nvz | pinky: bus id is only needed if you have multiple display adapters so it can tell the difference |
| 17:36.24 | pinky | The Nvidia documentation says to put it in my xorg.conf if I want multiple displays (VGA and DVI port on my card) |
| 17:36.38 | nvz | pinky: not needed if they are on the same card |
| 17:36.42 | pinky | I guess I won't put it then... |
| 17:36.54 | nvz | pinky: they are on the same bus if they are on the same card, and thus have the same busid |
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| 17:37.24 | pipeline | asg: Heh. ESX makes me very unhappy. All new deployments have been on VM:S instead. |
| 17:37.35 | nvz | pinky: nvidia dual head is easy to get running though.. the documentation was very good when I tested one a few years ago |
| 17:37.39 | pipeline | asg: the ESX server is at like, 20% resource usage because it's just so much a pain in the ass |
| 17:38.36 | asg | pipeline: we've put most of our deployments on VM:S but for critical (read windows crap that will break requiring a support call and fistfight between MS and VMware) systems, we have to go with ESX. Granted, that doesn't affect the *NIX deployments but we do have a few on there. |
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| 17:39.12 | pipeline | asg: mmm, we only use vmware for windows to begin with. Linux goes on virtuozzo, more often than not. Automated provisioning = awesome. |
| 17:39.39 | asg | pipeline: I'm looking at virtuozzo / openvz but haven't had time to do a full production test yet. |
| 17:39.48 | nvz | ope-nvz? |
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| 17:39.52 | pipeline | asg: You do not want openvz. |
| 17:39.52 | nvz | heh |
| 17:39.58 | asg | pipeline: I've been in touch with the virt people since our CEO pimped me out at gartner |
| 17:39.59 | nvz | hey! |
| 17:40.02 | pipeline | asg: The product sucks enough without having to do everything sans support. |
| 17:40.06 | wols_ | question about vmware: i need to assign 50% to process (so I can run 2 processes of the same type) |
| 17:40.22 | pipeline | nvz: hahah, you poor sob |
| 17:40.35 | nvz | ;) |
| 17:40.45 | nvz | I am poor, you got that part right |
| 17:40.51 | pinky | nvz: Right, well I'm just hacking up my xorg.conf and hopefully this will enable my DVI port. |
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| 17:41.44 | nvz | pinky: yeah something along the lines of option "xinerama: and a definition of where physically the displays are is all IIRC but I tested a FX 5200Ultra on XFree86 so that was ages ago.. things may be different now and on xorg |
| 17:42.06 | runa | where does gdm read the prefered window manage. when i change window manager it does not ask me if i want it to be permanent |
| 17:42.34 | nvz | runa: in the session menu. and it should ask you just this session or make perminant |
| 17:42.38 | Eclipser | how do I prevent find from recursing through one of the directories? |
| 17:43.13 | asg | Eclipser: -prune |
| 17:43.14 | runa | nvz: i know but i does not ask me anymore |
| 17:43.18 | wols_ | is there an easy way to do this, perhaps with vmware (50% per process)? |
| 17:43.30 | abrotman | use 2 cpus! |
| 17:43.54 | runa | nvz: i have created another user and it asks me with the other user |
| 17:44.03 | wols_ | abrotman: if you want to make me a present of a dualcore cpu plus mobo and ram, I'm all ears. it's no solution otherwise |
| 17:46.58 | nvz | runa: it probably doesnt ask you because you didnt change the session |
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| 17:47.11 | nvz | runa: it only does it when you pick something other than what its already set on |
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| 17:48.46 | nvz | gift is such a POS anymore.. giftd alone dies all the time, and apollon which would keep it alive if you use that.. it seriously glitches in the UI on etch |
| 17:48.48 | abrotman | wols_: i have two P200 CPUs :) |
| 17:49.16 | runa | nvz:i have done the same operation on the other users and it works. i removed .xsession because i thought that it read it by default |
| 17:49.18 | wols_ | add a zero at the end and I take it. even P4s :) |
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| 17:49.38 | wols_ | 200MHz is about 800Mhz too low |
| 17:49.45 | bumi | hello |
| 17:49.59 | asg | wols_: 200MHz is all anyone needs |
| 17:50.02 | bumi | i need some help here |
| 17:50.10 | bumi | i tried installing debian |
| 17:50.10 | nvz | runa: .xsession is the "default" session in the session menu.. if you dont have "default" selected its not read at all |
| 17:50.16 | bumi | and i ran into a problem |
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| 17:50.30 | bumi | tried installing OpenSuse and the same problem apeared |
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| 17:50.40 | S4nD3r | Hi there. Which is the current debian version ? |
| 17:50.41 | wols_ | asg: good luck watching mpeg4 or later |
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| 17:50.46 | S4nD3r | Sarge??? |
| 17:50.51 | S4nD3r | current stable |
| 17:50.52 | wols_ | S4nD3r: yes |
| 17:51.00 | bumi | i start the comp and it boots and i pick install |
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| 17:51.07 | asg | wols_: no need, I have tv :p |
| 17:51.08 | bumi | then the install starts |
| 17:51.15 | Eclipser | asg, umh, I can't seem to get it to work as I want :) |
| 17:51.28 | mfrisch | is there a way to edit an iso. using loop? |
| 17:51.28 | bumi | and insted of starting it tells me to insert a CD... |
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| 17:51.35 | wols_ | bumi: enter "linux26" before starting the debian install |
| 17:51.43 | bumi | while my install DVD is still inside.... |
| 17:51.54 | bumi | wols_ what does that do? |
| 17:52.03 | wols_ | it uses a 2.6 kernel |
| 17:52.08 | bumi | will that work for opensuse as well? as thats the CD i have here.\ |
| 17:52.12 | bumi | why would that hlep? |
| 17:52.15 | bumi | help |
| 17:52.16 | bumi | ? |
| 17:52.21 | wols_ | we don't do opensuse questions. ask #suse or whatever |
| 17:52.24 | S4nD3r | I will buy DVD installation |
| 17:52.24 | stew | bumi: /msg dpkg linux26 |
| 17:52.44 | wols_ | bumi: do you have a debian CD or DVD? |
| 17:52.57 | stew | bumi: oh wait, are you asking questions that are at all related to debian? |
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| 17:53.13 | bumi | Yes |
| 17:53.14 | bumi | :D |
| 17:53.20 | bumi | i have the DVD's |
| 17:53.24 | bumi | ill give it a go. |
| 17:53.34 | omry | I got an ancient Ethenrnet card ( Winbond Electronics Corp W89C940) I am trying to use to connect my machine the Internet via a cable modem. I am connected to that machine via a different network card. when I activate the eth1 (the winbond), the connection to the machine appears disturbed, keep getting pauses in the ssh connection. |
| 17:54.12 | omry | anyone encountered something like that? is that me doing something wrong or maybe bad hardware? |
| 17:54.35 | wols_ | omry: is the winbond interface configured? with a IP or route? |
| 17:54.38 | mfrisch | omry: spend twenty bucks and get a decent nic |
| 17:54.45 | wols_ | if not it'S eithre bad hardware or driver bug |
| 17:54.50 | SpComb | less than 20 bucks... |
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| 17:55.01 | wols_ | mfrisch: twenty bucks is at least 10 bucks too many |
| 17:55.07 | omry | wols_, I gave it some IP, which is probably incorrect |
| 17:55.22 | wols_ | omry: then it could be your config which screws things up |
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| 17:56.13 | omry | wols_, possible... |
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| 17:59.27 | Bhavesh | so what did i miss? |
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| 17:59.52 | ncp | how do i install nvidia driver? |
| 18:00.01 | Bhavesh | i got this one |
| 18:00.05 | Bhavesh | !tell ncp about nvidia |
| 18:00.07 | Bhavesh | woohoo |
| 18:00.20 | Bhavesh | that was easy :) |
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| 18:00.53 | waba | cdimage.debian.org seems down. Is there any other way to get an i386 etch netinstall image? |
| 18:01.10 | nelf | does XOrg work with the nvidia binary driver in testing/unstable? |
| 18:01.24 | stew | waba: it should be back soon |
| 18:01.26 | Bhavesh | i download any debian installer.. and it's easy to update after it |
| 18:01.34 | mikejw | how do I add an unstable mirror to my sources.list? |
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| 18:01.51 | waba | stew: thanks |
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| 18:01.53 | stew | actaully i'm suprised its not back up yet. it was taken down 2 hours ago for a firmware upgrade |
| 18:01.59 | wols_ | nelf: it does work, with some caveats |
| 18:02.02 | Tallu| | nano/pico /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:02.19 | wols_ | nelf: if you mean the .run package from nvidia.com |
| 18:02.19 | abrotman | oh .. Tallu| is volunteering for personal support! |
| 18:02.20 | mikejw | Tallu|: yeah that bit's ok |
| 18:02.36 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 18:02.36 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 18:02.37 | waba | Bhavesh: well yes, but since I was going to burn a CDR with a recent image, and all comps always go to testing/unstable... |
| 18:02.58 | nelf | wols_: No, I was wondering about the 2.6 driver |
| 18:03.03 | Tallu| | abrotman: right. |
| 18:03.15 | abrotman | mikejw: why do you want sid/unstable ? |
| 18:03.25 | mikejw | I want madwifi |
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| 18:04.11 | abrotman | madwifi is in sarge and etch afaik |
| 18:04.14 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 18:04.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, madwifi-install is to install madwifi on sarge: add "deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public sarge madwifi" to /etc/apt/sources.list, in etch or sid, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" (or linux-headers-$(uname -r) for etch or sid)" then: "m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
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| 18:04.56 | mikejw | ah so I just to add the non-free component in the sources.list perhaps |
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| 18:05.15 | wols_ | nelf: what is a 2.6 driver? |
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| 18:05.22 | devon | How do you force a cdrom unmount? |
| 18:05.35 | wols_ | devon: with umount |
| 18:05.42 | devon | ya i know i keep getting device busy |
| 18:05.45 | devon | i've tried -f too. |
| 18:05.48 | wols_ | and stop having files on the cdrom open (check with lsof) |
| 18:05.52 | pickcoder | devon: are you in the cdrom directory? |
| 18:05.57 | devon | no, sir coder. |
| 18:06.03 | devon | I'm dumb.. I use lsof all the time for network stuff |
| 18:06.06 | devon | duh, its a file |
| 18:06.07 | devon | sec. |
| 18:06.08 | nelf | wols_: A driver that supposedly didn't need special compilation when using the newer 2.6.x kernel packages, but I think it's all gone a bit pearshaped since I read that doc. |
| 18:06.27 | wols_ | nelf: stop reading year old docs I guess |
| 18:06.48 | nelf | wols_: Twas lurking on my system a mere week ago :) |
| 18:07.11 | wols_ | Bhavesh: all I can say is the latest nvidia driver runs fine on my 2.6.17.4 |
| 18:07.23 | wols_ | no patches. the nforce2 audio otoh... |
| 18:07.38 | nelf | wols_: I've just read /msg dpkg etch nvidia and I think I know why it's stopped working |
| 18:07.42 | Bhavesh | wols_: lucky you :) |
| 18:08.00 | wols_ | nelf: it didn't stop working. it was removed from etch. big difference |
| 18:08.09 | nelf | I'll stick with Xorgs nv driver.. |
| 18:08.30 | wols_ | and as I said: "latest nvidia driver". that's not in debian afaik, not even sid |
| 18:08.47 | nelf | wols_: It stopped working on my system, is what I meant |
| 18:08.56 | Bhavesh | wols_: i finally did re-re-re-reinstalled debian and got things working at stable with nvidia driver and 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 18:09.06 | wols_ | have you upgraded your kernel? or X to a new version? |
| 18:09.35 | wols_ | Bhavesh: congrats, but why not live a little more in 2006? :) |
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| 18:10.50 | Bhavesh | wols_: well the reason i got into this mess :) was originally xmms stopped playing .. it would run through the play list and no sound, while tv would work and mplayer would have sound |
| 18:11.04 | Bhavesh | wols_: so i saw how to install nvidia drivers.. and tried to upgrade to unstable.. BAD idea.. :) |
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| 18:12.21 | Bhavesh | wols_: so i want to get back to where i was with stable/testing .. i compiled my own kernel and downloaded the new nvidia driver from nvidia's site which has worked for me all the time |
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| 18:12.34 | wols_ | Bhavesh: same here |
| 18:13.01 | Bhavesh | wols_: i didn't even know it was there until 3 days a go |
| 18:13.02 | Bhavesh | brb work |
| 18:13.05 | wols_ | so I usually refrain from advising my method to people in here or other places |
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| 18:18.10 | bigh25 | What's the best command to get a file listing for a package? |
| 18:18.57 | stew | bigh25: if its installed, dpkg -L packagename or dlocate packagename ; if not, apt-file list packagename |
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| 18:19.02 | Bhavesh | wols_: same here.. but i am a at point where i don't want to keep compiling my own kernel so i like the pre packaged kernels |
| 18:19.22 | stew | bigh25: if you haven't used apt-file before, /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 18:19.28 | Bhavesh | the only problem i have /had was nvidia drivers if i can have them done automatically i be happy |
| 18:19.39 | bigh25 | stew: Many thanks |
| 18:20.12 | wols_ | the most "automatíc" way is m-a |
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| 18:21.39 | Bhavesh | wols_: i have gotten burned by unstable before but i think part of the reason was my mother board and VIA chipset now that i have a different m/b with NFOrce2 chipset i could venture into that land |
| 18:22.07 | Bhavesh | wols_: that's what i used to install nvidia drivers on stable.. but there is no such thing for testing, but m-a will work for unstable |
| 18:22.37 | cyzie | hi, when a process, say logwatch taking all the cpu resources, how can we know that what is it running and whether it is supposed to be doing its job rather than just wasting al the cpu resources? |
| 18:23.06 | pickcoder | Bhavesh: no such thing as what on Etch? module-assistant? |
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| 18:23.29 | stew | cyzie: "strace -p pid" will show you the systemcalls its making, which might provide some insight |
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| 18:23.52 | cyzie | thanks stew , will check strace |
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| 18:24.41 | Cctoide | hey |
| 18:24.45 | Cctoide | hey again... |
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| 18:25.37 | abrotman | you just said that |
| 18:25.45 | Cctoide | how do I allocate space to swap? I don't see an option in the partition utility for that |
| 18:25.52 | abrotman | mkswap |
| 18:25.53 | Cctoide | abrotman: CGI:IRC lags :P |
| 18:26.01 | abrotman | Cctoide: ick ick ! |
| 18:26.08 | abrotman | Cctoide: in the installer ? |
| 18:26.11 | Cctoide | yes |
| 18:26.14 | pickcoder | swapon |
| 18:26.25 | abrotman | Cctoide: did you leave space fro a swap partition ? |
| 18:26.37 | stew | Cctoide: click on a partition, choose "swap" in the "use as" field |
| 18:26.49 | stew | where 'click' is select and hit enter |
| 18:26.51 | abrotman | click ? |
| 18:26.52 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:27.10 | stew | i actually used g-i, the other day! |
| 18:27.13 | stew | without a mouse though |
| 18:27.30 | Cctoide | ah, found it, I was looking for mountpoints instead of "use as" |
| 18:27.40 | abrotman | stew: was it .. shiny? |
| 18:27.52 | Cctoide | I'm giving it 4GB, which is double my physical RAM, as recommended... |
| 18:27.59 | stew | abrotman: it was exactly like d-i same questions same everything, just a nicer font |
| 18:28.04 | abrotman | you'll need two swap files for that |
| 18:28.13 | abrotman | stew: oh goodie .. i love fonts |
| 18:28.14 | stew | Cctoide: that is not necessarily the recommendation anymore |
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| 18:28.34 | abrotman | Cctoide: is this a desktop or server? |
| 18:28.41 | wols_ | Cctoide: 1-2GB is fine normally |
| 18:28.50 | Cctoide | abrotman: desktop |
| 18:28.58 | digits | What is the smartest way to invoke logrotate on vhost logs? create a file for each vhost in logrotate.d? |
| 18:29.08 | abrotman | Cctoide: a single 2GB should be sufficient unless oyu're going to run some heavy stuff locally |
| 18:29.32 | Cctoide | I might run servers, but they won't exactly get much use |
| 18:30.04 | valdyn | its not really bad to have to much swap anyway |
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| 18:30.29 | pickcoder | especially with per/GB prices these days |
| 18:30.48 | valdyn | i wasnt meaning costs |
| 18:30.50 | valdyn | but, true |
| 18:30.51 | abrotman | Cctoide: really .. 4GB of swap is a lot .. i can tell you that on my desktop with 768MB .. i rarely even hit swap |
| 18:30.56 | abrotman | at all |
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| 18:31.24 | abrotman | s/desktop/laptop/ |
| 18:31.35 | Dantix | hi all, how can I know what distribution is an installed debian? |
| 18:31.39 | abrotman | !version |
| 18:31.40 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 18:31.42 | Cctoide | well, the installation is a little short of space since it's in dual boot, I'm sticking it in the 40GB left over from a windows install |
| 18:32.01 | Cctoide | 1GB swap? |
| 18:32.03 | streuner | Dantix: less /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:32.10 | abrotman | Cctoide: just go 2GB .. you'll be fine |
| 18:32.17 | Cctoide | okay |
| 18:32.47 | valdyn | Cctoide: 1G swap is decent, 2G swap is probably enough for everything you can throw at your system till its basically unusuably slow due to thrashing |
| 18:32.59 | Dantix | streuner: the server is quite old and I'm not know if it's woody or sarge, source.lst says stable.... |
| 18:33.02 | valdyn | Cctoide: assuming desktop surely |
| 18:33.02 | Cctoide | 2GB it is then |
| 18:33.06 | abrotman | and if you need more .. you probably need more Physical RAM |
| 18:33.18 | abrotman | Dantix: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 18:33.33 | streuner | Dantix: show us your sources.list and the output of 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' in paster bot |
| 18:33.45 | abrotman | the sources won't be a help if they point to stable |
| 18:33.47 | stew | there is no bot |
| 18:33.50 | stew | :P |
| 18:34.11 | streuner | Dantix: paste.debian.net |
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| 18:34.24 | Dantix | streuner: ok |
| 18:34.40 | Bhavesh | ha funny |
| 18:34.40 | pickcoder | Dantix: post your "/proc/version" string |
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| 18:35.26 | streuner | there is a german "speak" - many cooker make bad things... |
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| 18:35.43 | abrotman | Too many cooks in the kitchen ruins the recipe ? |
| 18:35.51 | streuner | sure |
| 18:35.55 | cyzie | hi, i enter my email address in /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf then i set the time for the crontab so that logwatch will run daily. whenever the time set in crontab hit, i check logwatch is running as shown in top command. however, when i check my email, there is no email from my box. i suspect my box might not able to send out email but i send an email manually, echo hi | mail foo@bar.com and i receive the email instantly. what is wrong he |
| 18:35.56 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:35.56 | cyzie | re? |
| 18:35.56 | TARZEAU | !popcon |
| 18:35.57 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:36.10 | wols_ | streuner: too many cooks spoil the broth or somesuch |
| 18:36.10 | stew | "too many cooks spoil the broth" |
| 18:36.32 | TARZEAU | Cctoide: or try this: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~franklin/Projects/dphys-swapfile/ |
| 18:36.33 | wols_ | hah! for once I was faster :) |
| 18:36.37 | cahoot | as was the point |
| 18:36.53 | madclicker | how can i remove directors comments in avi playback? |
| 18:37.16 | TARZEAU | madclicker: using some tool that handles avi files? |
| 18:37.22 | TARZEAU | madclicker: did you try apt-cache search or p.d.o? |
| 18:37.32 | pickcoder | AFAIK avi only has one audio channel |
| 18:37.36 | valdyn | madclicker: are those comments even on an extra audio track ( if that even is possible in avi ) |
| 18:38.00 | asse3 | is there any keylogger i can use? |
| 18:38.04 | pickcoder | in otherwords, you can't |
| 18:38.16 | asse3 | !keylogger |
| 18:38.28 | stew | pickcoder: avi can have many audio enclosures |
| 18:38.28 | valdyn | asse3: no there isnt |
| 18:38.36 | asse3 | how come |
| 18:38.38 | pickcoder | O_o |
| 18:38.42 | pearl | asse3: iam sure google will help you... |
| 18:38.47 | wols_ | stew: but usually only one is heard at the same time |
| 18:38.52 | pickcoder | please point me to such a claim. I'd like to learn about it. |
| 18:38.58 | pearl | where are cookies on linux= |
| 18:39.00 | pearl | ? |
| 18:39.04 | asse3 | lol |
| 18:39.06 | asse3 | dumb ass |
| 18:39.08 | wols_ | pickcoder: you can have more than one language audio easily for example |
| 18:39.14 | pearl | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.19 | pickcoder | in a raw AVI? |
| 18:39.20 | cyzie | anybody experience with logwatch ? |
| 18:39.27 | madclicker | in my case the movie plays back and i can here both directors comments and the flick in the background |
| 18:39.30 | valdyn | pearl: depends on your browser |
| 18:39.30 | stew | asse3: there is no need for name calling |
| 18:39.31 | wols_ | pearl: somewhere in ~ |
| 18:39.40 | valdyn | pearl: ~/.browserdir |
| 18:39.41 | stew | madclicker: what are you using to play it? |
| 18:39.41 | pearl | firefox |
| 18:39.47 | asse3 | did i mention any name? |
| 18:39.53 | valdyn | pearl: so maybe ~/.firefox/ |
| 18:40.08 | stew | asse3: yes, you did. just drop it. do you have a debian related question? |
| 18:40.17 | madclicker | stew, kaffeine |
| 18:40.36 | valdyn | pearl: ~/.firefox/default/<weird.name>/cookies.txt |
| 18:40.42 | wols_ | pearl: there should be a file named "cookies" below that directory |
| 18:40.43 | stew | madclicker: dunno about that one. in mplayer ther is an -aid switch (iirc) |
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| 18:41.02 | Bhavesh | WB |
| 18:41.03 | wols | pearl: there should be a file named "cookies" below that directory |
| 18:41.16 | asse3 | stew: yes, i need a keylogger |
| 18:41.26 | abrotman | ask google |
| 18:41.27 | Dantix | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/13348 |
| 18:41.30 | stew | asse3: apt-cache search keylogger |
| 18:41.38 | Bhavesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.42 | Bhavesh | would that find it faster? |
| 18:41.58 | abrotman | Dantix: it's sarge |
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| 18:42.11 | streuner | !info libc6 sarge |
| 18:42.14 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4 (sarge), Packaged size: 4798 kB, Installed size: 15368 kB |
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| 18:42.32 | devon | lol googlah |
| 18:42.32 | Dantix | thanks all |
| 18:42.37 | madclicker | stew, mplayer is playing it fine. I guess kaffeine is not a good player |
| 18:42.38 | streuner | Dantix: you are running sarge/stable, but use an official mirror - not sure about that one |
| 18:42.45 | googlah | what devon |
| 18:42.46 | valdyn | cyzie: logwatch using many resources, if its not a bug in logwatch is probably some watched logfile getting _alot_ of stuff added |
| 18:42.59 | googlah | :) |
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| 18:43.17 | devon | funny sn |
| 18:43.26 | Dantix | streuner: that is the most closest to me |
| 18:43.33 | devon | yes |
| 18:43.38 | Dantix | streuner: thanks anyway |
| 18:43.39 | cyzie | valdyn, i dont quite understand your statement. |
| 18:43.45 | cyzie | valdyn, what r u trying to tell me ? |
| 18:43.57 | streuner | Dantix: you don't need many packages anymore |
| 18:44.09 | valdyn | cyzie: that you are seeing a brokwn logwatch program or a logfile growing faster than it should |
| 18:44.13 | googlah | yeah i know devon.. in a matter of fact google is my best friend :) |
| 18:44.24 | devon | yeah |
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| 18:44.28 | devon | thats just a funny word in general. |
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| 18:44.35 | Dantix | streuner: what you mean? |
| 18:44.58 | googlah | yup |
| 18:45.00 | nvz | I can't figure this digital recorder http://pastebin.com/790753 |
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| 18:45.05 | Cctoide | yay, installation complete |
| 18:45.07 | cyzie | valdyn, broken logwatch ? i do a few times experient that whenever logwatch run, i check in top command. i see the process started and ended. |
| 18:45.08 | streuner | Dantix: well, we prefer official mirrors in most cases |
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| 18:45.39 | nvz | I don't see anything to mount on there |
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| 18:45.44 | valdyn | cyzie: and.. ? |
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| 18:46.14 | Dantix | streuner: ok, but take note that server is official server at Argentina, it's included in the Netinstall iso... |
| 18:46.15 | cyzie | and i never see the lgowatch send an mail to my mail |
| 18:46.40 | valdyn | cyzie: what about root? |
| 18:46.45 | streuner | Dantix: if its/was in netinstall sources its official |
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| 18:47.08 | cyzie | valdyn, i dont have mail server setup in my box. |
| 18:47.20 | valdyn | cyzie: your problem, debian needs an mta |
| 18:47.25 | valdyn | !why an mta |
| 18:47.25 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. |
| 18:47.36 | cyzie | mmm... |
| 18:47.37 | waba | cdimage.debian.org is back up! |
| 18:47.41 | valdyn | cyzie: in most cases it should have one anyway. |
| 18:47.54 | Dantix | streuner: :) |
| 18:47.55 | cyzie | valdyn, but i have sendmail and mail installed via apt-get |
| 18:48.07 | valdyn | cyzie: and sendmail is not a mail server? |
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| 18:48.24 | valdyn | cyzie: either you have sendmail or you dont have an mta, cant do both at a time |
| 18:48.40 | iain | Are scrips like "sensible-browser" debian-specific? |
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| 18:48.43 | cyzie | i have sendmail installed. |
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| 18:49.02 | Tallu| | Hmm. How can I mount a .iso file? |
| 18:49.06 | cyzie | valdyn, i dont think i have configured for mta or sendmail. just apt-get |
| 18:49.24 | valdyn | cyzie: that is sufficient |
| 18:49.59 | cyzie | then it is weird then. i tried 5 times, still i dont see any mail comes from my box |
| 18:50.07 | p3rti | hi, i'm using multiseat with Xephyr software, i have a little question, i get all work fine, but the keyboard its very wear, the keys dosn't have the right configuration.. what i have to do? |
| 18:50.16 | valdyn | cyzie: why should mail come _from_ your box? |
| 18:50.25 | cydork | !tell Tallu| about mount iso |
| 18:50.31 | Tallu| | cydork: cheers |
| 18:51.20 | valdyn | cyzie: i suggest you start at the start and fix problems one by one, we have come from you complaining about logwatch using to much cpu to you not sending mail to remote hosts, without doing anything useful |
| 18:51.28 | cyzie | valdyn, huh? it shoudl right, if u have specify your email address in the logwatch.conf ? |
| 18:51.45 | valdyn | cyzie: no, use a local user as destination |
| 18:51.54 | cyzie | alright |
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| 18:52.32 | valdyn | cyzie: sending remote mail may not work as it is, we dont even know if your ( possibly dialup connectd host ) can send outgoing mail at all |
| 18:52.38 | TARZEAU | has someone tried grub2 yet? |
| 18:52.48 | typewriter | is syn cookies compiled in the debian generic kernel by default? |
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| 18:53.33 | valdyn | cyzie: use the 'mail' command to see if mail arrives at that user. That program is simple but sufficient for that purpose |
| 18:54.35 | cyzie | valdyn, yes, i have tried that. if u read my statment previously. i have tried this before. echo hi | mail foo@bar.com #the email arrive instantly in my mail box |
| 18:55.29 | TARZEAU | !qotd0 |
| 18:55.29 | dpkg | <gomba> Can anyone help me to solve a light mounting problem? <sussudio> gomba: you turn the bulb |
| 18:55.36 | valdyn | cyzie: you can run the logwatch cron job yourself to see what logwatch is doing |
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| 18:57.04 | cyzie | valdyn, run the command logwatch manually ? |
| 18:57.51 | valdyn | cyzie: no, more like run /etc/cron.daily/logwatch |
| 18:58.13 | cyzie | ahh okay |
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| 18:59.12 | minerale | how can I found out where / when someone last logged in ? |
| 18:59.20 | Bhavesh | lastlog |
| 18:59.22 | cydork | minerale, type last |
| 18:59.23 | cyzie | mmm..i tried using send to root or normal user as u advice. but i didnt receive any email locally either. someting wrong witht the sendmail or ? |
| 18:59.25 | Bhavesh | minerale: trype lastlog |
| 18:59.25 | abrotman | last <username> |
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| 18:59.55 | TARZEAU | minerale: sometimes also w/ finger |
| 19:00.00 | minerale | ah, thanks bhavesh, cydork where is that info saved? |
| 19:00.19 | asse3 | ey, i was tryin to use lkl and it gave me an error about my keymap |
| 19:00.25 | cyzie | s/u/you |
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| 19:01.01 | asse3 | s/f/you |
| 19:01.34 | cydork | minerale, /var/log/wtmp i guess |
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| 19:03.15 | abrotman | asse3: do you have a question related to debian? |
| 19:03.46 | abrotman | gah |
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| 19:08.08 | fireba11 | question: i installed KDE manually on my ebian etch .. working smoothly .. nuw i was wondering, on a suse system i get the option to shut down the bo from KDE, my debian only shows "end current session" can i change that or is that suse-custom ? |
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| 19:08.26 | abrotman | you compiled KDE? |
| 19:08.33 | TARZEAU | abrotman: alot of people do that |
| 19:08.43 | TARZEAU | abrotman: i also know some that did that when we had woody |
| 19:08.47 | abrotman | TARZEAU: shut it .. that wasn't my question |
| 19:08.58 | abrotman | i understand people do that .. |
| 19:09.02 | fireba11 | abrotman: nah .. default debian ... just installed kde-base |
| 19:09.03 | abrotman | i'm verifying |
| 19:09.08 | abrotman | TARZEAU: SEE! |
| 19:09.09 | TARZEAU | i compiled gcc4 for sarge. and i'm going to compile vim7... |
| 19:09.14 | TARZEAU | ok |
| 19:09.17 | Bhavesh | does compiling kde make it any faster? |
| 19:09.25 | TARZEAU | Bhavesh: no, but you can get an ACTUAL version |
| 19:09.26 | abrotman | nothing makes kde faster |
| 19:09.32 | TARZEAU | abrotman: hehhahaha :) |
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| 19:09.41 | abrotman | fireba11: it's probably a KDM option .. try asking #debian-kde |
| 19:09.45 | selam | hi all |
| 19:09.52 | wols | abrotman: releasing it in a very low sun orbit makes it faster and faster... |
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| 19:09.56 | wols | until it impacts on the sun |
| 19:09.56 | fireba11 | abrotman: okay, thanks |
| 19:10.09 | TARZEAU | does someone use the mkl intel library ? |
| 19:11.06 | selam | i have a question, i am use xorg 7.0.0 on unstable... system is good but i can't install nvidia driver for nforge2, question: how i can install nvidia driver for nforce2 on xorg 7.0.0 |
| 19:11.40 | TARZEAU | selam: which nvidia driver version have you tried? |
| 19:11.46 | valdyn | cyzie: i dont think you have a mail problem if the mail command can send you mail just fine |
| 19:11.57 | deceptacon | i did a debian net inst of sarge, and then i did apt-get install x-window-system. now im being asked if i want to 'entrust font management to defoma'. what is this ? |
| 19:11.58 | cyzie | mmm.. alright |
| 19:12.02 | cyzie | i check logwatch |
| 19:12.11 | wols | deceptacon: yes you do |
| 19:12.25 | valdyn | cyzie: checked the bts yet? |
| 19:12.34 | cyzie | ERROR: Date::Manip unable to determine TimeZone. <== this is the error shown when i run logwatch manually |
| 19:12.40 | deceptacon | i thought so too, but my question was what is defoma |
| 19:12.50 | abrotman | you spelled it wrong! |
| 19:12.53 | wols | selam: do you mean the nvidia graphics driver? cause it's not for nforce2. that is a chipset. wven when some nforce2 vresions had a gf4mx built in |
| 19:13.04 | valdyn | !timezone |
| 19:13.04 | wols | !defoma |
| 19:13.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
| 19:13.04 | dpkg | well, defoma is Debian Font Manager, and automatic configuration framework for fonts. |
| 19:13.05 | abrotman | !defoma |
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| 19:13.26 | selam | wols: yes nvidia graphics driver? |
| 19:13.30 | stew | deceptacon: when in doubt, hit enter |
| 19:13.32 | wols | selam: etch? |
| 19:13.38 | deceptacon | alright :) |
| 19:13.45 | stew | selam: do you need 3d accelleration? |
| 19:13.48 | Bhavesh | TARZEAU: you mean the most uptodate /current version? |
| 19:14.03 | Bhavesh | i missed someone's msg sorry |
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| 19:14.15 | selam | wols: i download run file in nvidia.com build and install i change xorg.conf file but i get error |
| 19:14.20 | blackelf | #ubuntu pwns #debian |
| 19:14.24 | wols | !nvidia |
| 19:14.24 | blackelf | in users count lol |
| 19:14.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 19:14.30 | TARZEAU | Bhavesh: for example, yes |
| 19:14.31 | wols | you are nOT supposed to use that .run file |
| 19:14.38 | blackelf | it even beats gentoo |
| 19:14.39 | wols | and you haven't asked my question: are you running etch? |
| 19:14.43 | TARZEAU | blackelf: check popcon.ubuntu.com and popcon.debian.org |
| 19:14.46 | stew | blackelf: i guess there are more people needing help with ubuntu than the others |
| 19:14.48 | TARZEAU | blackelf: then also www.bsdstats.org |
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| 19:14.53 | Bhavesh | TARZEAU: i understand |
| 19:14.58 | blackelf | /me neat |
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| 19:15.02 | wols | *answered |
| 19:15.15 | stew | blackelf: do you have a debian related question? or are you just here to troll? |
| 19:15.31 | selam | wols: yes etch (unstable) |
| 19:15.33 | blackelf | stew: flame baiting |
| 19:15.35 | blackelf | but I stoped |
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| 19:15.42 | wols | selam: etch is NOT unstable. only sid is unstable |
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| 19:15.49 | stew | blackelf: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 19:15.56 | cydork | selam, etch is testing |
| 19:15.57 | selam | oh sory yes.. i am useing sid |
| 19:16.07 | devon | sids a crazy dude. |
| 19:16.22 | wols | selam: then you can use the debian way of installing. nvidia.com installer WILL NOT work as you can see yourself |
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| 19:16.48 | cydork | selam, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 19:17.19 | selam | wols: i install with module-assistant but its does't not work |
| 19:17.25 | selam | cydork: ok.. |
| 19:17.42 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 19:17.42 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 19:18.18 | abrotman | it fails to finish! |
| 19:18.50 | wols | abrotman: better than people like you who "finish" too fast |
| 19:18.51 | cyzie | bbl |
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| 19:21.17 | abrotman | wols: i don't believe i've ever had that problem |
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| 19:21.31 | Spark | after a dist-upgrade, xmms's widgets are all blank (font problem?) and gv is complaining about fonts, and using the wrong fonts |
| 19:21.36 | wols | that's what they ALL say |
| 19:21.36 | Cctoide | Well... install finished, but I had to abort the config :( |
| 19:21.38 | Spark | but the fonts are there |
| 19:21.43 | Spark | in xlsfonts |
| 19:21.47 | Cctoide | couldn't configure apt |
| 19:21.57 | cydork | Cctoide, why not? |
| 19:22.13 | Spark | Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-Helvetica-Medium-R-Normal--*-140-*-*-P-*-ISO8859-1" to type FontStruct |
| 19:22.21 | Spark | (thats gv) |
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| 19:22.23 | Cctoide | Not sure, maybe it had something to do with it not being able to automatically configure via DHCP |
| 19:22.43 | Cctoide | I had to configure it manually... it managed to download the kernel but the apt configuration said it couldn't resolve addresses |
| 19:23.12 | Cctoide | I don't know why it can't get to DHCP |
| 19:23.16 | Cctoide | the DHCP server is running |
| 19:23.25 | wols | resolve is DNS only |
| 19:23.32 | wols | so maybe edit your /etc/resolv.conf.pppd-backup |
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| 19:23.37 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.36 | abrotman | sometimes dhcp gives you dns :) |
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| 19:24.55 | pickcoder | somtimes? |
| 19:25.05 | pickcoder | s/som/some |
| 19:25.19 | Cctoide | I got the "DHCP didn't work, bla bla maybe slow router or bad hardware" .. |
| 19:25.31 | abrotman | pickcoder: you can set your dhcp client to not take them |
| 19:25.44 | Bhavesh | my provider's dhcp gives me DNS servers |
| 19:25.59 | Cctoide | DHCP seems to work correctly on this windows installation |
| 19:26.04 | Cctoide | not sure why the installer couldn't get it working |
| 19:26.05 | pickcoder | er.. yeah, if you have another DNS source |
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| 19:26.37 | selam | i am try |
| 19:26.56 | Cctoide | router's DHCP server is up |
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| 19:27.07 | pippijn | hi all |
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| 19:27.12 | Cctoide | why does it give up if there's a slow response? |
| 19:27.23 | pippijn | I get this problem when trying to connect to my sshd: |
| 19:27.25 | pippijn | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 19:27.33 | pippijn | I did not set up tcp wrappers incorrectly |
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| 19:30.39 | deceptacon | what easy to use and configure packages should i install to get vnc working? (meaning that i want to see X programs on another computer, without being logged into the physical computer and nothing being displayed on the physical computer except the login screen) |
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| 19:31.51 | cydork | deceptacon, install (tiny|x)vncserver |
| 19:31.52 | pack | I'm looking for the docs on how to "debianize" a kernel module package. like what's been done to pcmcia-modules and madwifi. anyone know where to find that info? |
| 19:32.10 | deceptacon | cydork, what is the package name for that? |
| 19:32.30 | deceptacon | and does that do everything? |
| 19:32.41 | cydork | deceptacon, tinyvncserver orxvncserver |
| 19:32.43 | pickcoder | pack: look at make-kpkg and the --modules-image option |
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| 19:33.51 | deceptacon | cydork, someone else told me apt-get install vncserver |
| 19:34.01 | ckoehler | I need some help with setting up my dhcp server |
| 19:34.05 | ckoehler | I have two network cards |
| 19:34.10 | deceptacon | which one should i choose out of those 3 |
| 19:34.12 | wols | ckoehler: dnsmasq |
| 19:34.21 | ckoehler | :) that was fast |
| 19:34.35 | wols | !tell pack about m-a |
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| 19:34.48 | eXiSt | hi |
| 19:34.53 | ckoehler | so I guess that fixes not having access to the internet with my client computers, wols ? |
| 19:35.03 | wols | ckoehler: no. that's done by ipmasq |
| 19:35.14 | cydork | deceptacon, it's your choice.. |
| 19:35.37 | wols | dnsmasq is a DNS cahcing server and DHCP server |
| 19:35.37 | ckoehler | wols so installing both those would help huh |
| 19:35.46 | deceptacon | okay, i just wanted an opinion on which one would be easier to use for a newbie |
| 19:35.59 | wols | ckoehler: all you need to emulate one of those shitty consumer routers basically |
| 19:36.16 | ckoehler | right |
| 19:36.17 | wols | but this time with proper hardware |
| 19:36.24 | Kevin` | dnsmasq is great for quick, easy setups.. not the best dns server though |
| 19:36.42 | ckoehler | just trying to setup a pxe server |
| 19:36.43 | wols | Kevin`: for a caching DNS it'S enough. you don't need more on a home setup |
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| 19:37.02 | wols | with dnsmasq and my /etc/hosts I have all I need |
| 19:37.58 | Kevin` | i've had it behave in broken ways.. I just use bind now |
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| 19:38.19 | wols | broken in what way? |
| 19:38.26 | pippijn | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 19:38.28 | pickcoder | why not just forward DNS requests |
| 19:38.32 | pippijn | does anyone have an idea on how to fix this? |
| 19:38.57 | pippijn | (not tcp-wrappers) |
| 19:39.01 | SNow | hey, I have an error which is often repeated. |
| 19:39.02 | SNow | Sep 21 01:33:17 police init: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 19:39.02 | SNow | Sep 21 01:35:01 police /USR/SBIN/CRON[11431]: (stats) CMD (/home/stats/eggdrop/allstats.botchk >/dev/null 2>&1) |
| 19:39.02 | SNow | Sep 21 01:38:19 police init: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
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| 19:39.09 | SNow | sorry for the flood :/ |
| 19:39.13 | eXiSt | I configured adsl connection by pppoeconf and write auto ppp0 iface ppp0 inet ppp provider dsl-provider pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up post-up /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/acil.rc |
| 19:39.23 | SNow | next time' I'll use paste in the web :) |
| 19:39.32 | pickcoder | or #flood |
| 19:39.38 | SNow | any ideas ? |
| 19:39.42 | SNow | Id 1 respawning too fast |
| 19:40.02 | eXiSt | down ip route flush table 100 and i want to run this command at the end. |
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| 19:40.11 | pickcoder | SNow: what is label "1" in inittab? |
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| 19:40.41 | SNow | hal1on:1:wait:/etc/init.d/rc 1 |
| 19:41.10 | wols | eXiSt: at the end ot what? |
| 19:41.10 | SNow | sorry not that one |
| 19:41.10 | SNow | 1:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/termwrap /usr/sbin/base-config new </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1 |
| 19:41.10 | SNow | and it says termpwrap no such file or directory |
| 19:41.21 | wols | SNow: don't you mean termcap? |
| 19:41.23 | eXiSt | but when i pluged off the line cable to test failover pppoe deletes the route of adsl (ppp0) so my ip route command become useless. i dunno why down command doesnt work. do u have any idea? |
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| 19:41.45 | SNow | wols I haven't put manually anything in there |
| 19:41.49 | wols | eXiSt: do you know about /etc/ppp/ip-down.d/ ? |
| 19:41.55 | SNow | -bash: termcap: command not found |
| 19:42.06 | wols | it's a file. not a command |
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| 19:42.10 | Petrov | hello |
| 19:42.12 | SNow | in /sbin ? |
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| 19:42.27 | eXiSt | wols: u can run command also? there are examples for it? |
| 19:42.30 | Cctoide | How can I check DHCP again after installation? |
| 19:42.30 | wols | SNow: file. not command |
| 19:42.37 | SNow | nothing like that either in there |
| 19:42.48 | SNow | starting 't' |
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| 19:43.55 | SNow | wols any ideas ? :) |
| 19:43.55 | blackelf | gnome in testing is one big pice of sh!t |
| 19:44.06 | blackelf | it crashes all the time :[ |
| 19:44.28 | SNow | I don't have anything like termwrap or cap either |
| 19:44.41 | wols | SNow: what version of debian? |
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| 19:45.18 | stew | blackelf: are there bugs filed? did you check the bts? |
| 19:45.32 | eXiSt | wols: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces there are down command examples at that file? am i wrong? |
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| 19:46.13 | abrotman | oddly .. gnome in testing works perfectly fine for me |
| 19:46.32 | pickcoder | same here.. been up and running for a few weeks 24/7 |
| 19:46.39 | wols | eXiSt: it's a simple concept like /etc/init.d/ |
| 19:46.47 | pickcoder | AMD64 kernel too |
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| 19:47.00 | blackelf | stew: no I wanted it to just work (tm)... first cd juicer hanged, then all programs including gnome-termianl stoped working.. strange... where to file ? |
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| 19:47.22 | pickcoder | blackelf: maybe it's an issue with cd juicer? |
| 19:47.41 | stew | blackelf: if things are randomly hanging it might be a hardware problem like bad memory/motherboard or overheating |
| 19:47.48 | junix|work | which mirror can i use for Debian Testing weekly releases? |
| 19:48.05 | stew | blackelf: if all programs are hanging its not likely that it has anything to do with gnome |
| 19:48.09 | pickcoder | hrm... apt update just hung on initramfs update |
| 19:48.16 | junix|work | which mirror can i use for Debian Testing weekly releases, using jigdo? |
| 19:49.00 | eXiSt | wols: anyway i put a script to ip-down.d and refer it like ip-down /etc/ppp/ip-down.d/script in interfaces. but it didnt work also.pppoe realize that adsl connection goes down and hangup the modem and it can realize when it comes back but non of ip up and down commands worked. please help me |
| 19:50.02 | pickcoder | never mind.. no worries |
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| 19:50.34 | blackelf | stew: no, all other programs are rock-solid, used for year daily almost 24 h |
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| 19:50.38 | wols | eXiSt: what do you need those up and down commands for? why do you need them? |
| 19:50.52 | blackelf | pickcoder: malfunciton of one program should not stop other programs from working |
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| 19:51.25 | pickcoder | blackelf: if the application causes a hardware confict, then yes.. it can |
| 19:51.37 | pickcoder | *conflict |
| 19:51.50 | stew | pickcoder: a gnome-terminal would have access to any hardware |
| 19:52.13 | pickcoder | or.. there is an existing issue with say the CD burner, then I/O could cause problems with the drive controller |
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| 19:52.44 | pickcoder | I dunno how many times I've seen a bad video chip cause an O/S to do strange things |
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| 19:53.04 | stew | blackelf: if you really think that this is a problem with gnome then look at the underlying gnome packages in the bts, like libgnomeXX, bonobo, libgtkXXX libglib... |
| 19:53.31 | stew | blackelf: but i'd really doubt that such widespread problems would exist. i sincerely think you should check your hardware, /msg dpkg memtest86 |
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| 19:54.08 | blackelf | stew: this machine is running ~ 20/24 7/7 and never have such problems, for years |
| 19:54.11 | junix|work | which mirror can i use for Debian Testing weekly releases using jigdo? |
| 19:54.22 | SNow | wols |
| 19:54.27 | SNow | it's the current |
| 19:54.33 | wols | !repeat |
| 19:54.33 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 19:54.45 | wols | SNow: there are 3 "current" branches of debian.all very different |
| 19:55.01 | SNow | how could I know exactly ? |
| 19:55.05 | pickcoder | Isn't base-config a Sarge thing? |
| 19:55.08 | eXiSt | wols: i have 2 isp at the gateway. and by ip route multipath option i use load balancing. one is leased line and the other one is adsl. when i switch of the leased cable gateway can understand the leased line gateway goes down and change route to adsl. but when i switch off the adsl line cable pppoe waits for modem hangup. after 3 echo it hangs up modem and so kernel or something delete the ppp0 route from the route table. so my all iproute config become us |
| 19:55.09 | eXiSt | eless. i want to change route by a ip-down script to leased line after ppp0 goes down. and i want to run load balance script when it comes back by ip-up script |
| 19:55.14 | stew | blackelf: is there some reproducable way you can make the programs hang? |
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| 19:55.57 | blackelf | stew: hmm |
| 19:56.03 | wols | eXiSt: then you need to use interfaces I guess |
| 19:56.11 | eXiSt | wols: yes |
| 19:57.00 | eXiSt | i couldnt understand why ip-down script didnt work when pppoe hang the modem up |
| 19:57.58 | pickcoder | SNow: is /etc/inittab.real present? |
| 19:58.01 | wols | could it be your down script changes routes, then pppd sees his 3 echo requests thing and deletes all routes as usual |
| 19:58.06 | wols | including the one you just made |
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| 19:58.51 | karrotx | hey hey hey |
| 19:59.06 | fsancho | hi all |
| 19:59.26 | fsancho | i have strange restarts in X |
| 19:59.29 | `ns` | Fat Albert has arrived ? |
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| 19:59.38 | eXiSt | re |
| 19:59.42 | eXiSt | sorry wols |
| 19:59.48 | eXiSt | could u repeat |
| 19:59.53 | fsancho | i'm using debian unstable and i have a nvidia card |
| 19:59.59 | karrotx | `ns`: not yet |
| 20:00.03 | fsancho | nvidia gforce4 mx |
| 20:00.17 | fsancho | i suspect about my zd1211 wireless usb |
| 20:00.25 | eXiSt | wols: post-down /etc/ppp/ip-down.d/meteksan.rc is it wrong? |
| 20:00.28 | fsancho | the zd1211 driver floods syslog |
| 20:00.31 | `ns` | _ : ;) |
| 20:00.38 | abrotman | blackelf: many ripping programs will enter a downward spiral if the CD is sufficiently damaged |
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| 20:01.13 | wols | could it be your down script changes routes, then pppd sees his 3 echo requests thing and deletes all routes as usual |
| 20:01.20 | wols | including the one you just made |
| 20:02.07 | deceptacon | how can i get a decent desktop looking environment on my mint installation of debian sarge netinst, so far ive 'apt-get install fluxbox' |
| 20:02.23 | eXiSt | my down script change default route the other one this shouldnt be the problem |
| 20:02.27 | deceptacon | im looking for something quick and snappy like the desktop in damnsmalllinux |
| 20:02.36 | nehoksan | what would be the name of the device where my usb handy is plugged in? |
| 20:02.43 | abrotman | fluxbox is damn small |
| 20:02.48 | abrotman | nehoksan: dmesg |
| 20:03.21 | eXiSt | wols: is there a difference between normal shell scripts and ip-down.d script? |
| 20:03.22 | wols | eXiSt: it is a problem, since pppd will delete the defaultroute when it goes down of course |
| 20:03.30 | wols | no |
| 20:03.44 | deceptacon | abrotman, i dont really see a desktop, i can see a little panel at the bottom and i can right click and see a simple menu. im assuming theres more packages to be installed in order to get the whole deal (icons on the desktop, little workspace windows in the corner) |
| 20:03.53 | fsancho | is it possible that X restarts because a lot of traffic in syslog? |
| 20:03.56 | MustangMatt | deceptacon: check out what xubunutu is using, you might be able to mimic it on sarge easily enough. It's very snappy. |
| 20:04.00 | eXiSt | wols: but it deletes the ppp0 route from the route table |
| 20:04.05 | wols | deceptacon: no |
| 20:04.12 | stew | eXiSt: there is a restriction that scripts in ip-down.d must be named in such a way that run-parts will be willing to run them, but otehrwise no |
| 20:04.28 | deceptacon | wols: huh? |
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| 20:04.36 | SNow_ | so, maybe any ideas ? |
| 20:04.38 | eXiSt | stew: meteksan.rc is a wrong script? |
| 20:04.40 | wols | deceptacon: all you get is that bar, possibly with slitapps like a vwm |
| 20:04.41 | pickcoder | SNow: is /etc/inittab.real present? |
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| 20:04.55 | stew | eXiSt: yes, that will be skipped becuase the name contains a . |
| 20:04.59 | wols | deceptacon: if you want stupid icons on screen like windows, you need to run kde or such |
| 20:05.07 | deceptacon | :/ |
| 20:05.12 | SNow___ | yes it is pickcoder |
| 20:05.16 | eXiSt | stew: what can it be? |
| 20:05.22 | deceptacon | well can i at least change the grey and white background |
| 20:05.23 | wols | eXiSt: remove the .rc |
| 20:05.24 | stew | eXiSt: man run-partx |
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| 20:05.30 | stew | eXiSt: er man run-parts |
| 20:05.34 | hjubal | hi |
| 20:05.56 | pickcoder | SNow: mv /etc/inittab /etc/inittab.old |
| 20:06.01 | pickcoder | SNow: mv /etc/inittab.real /etc/inittab |
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| 20:06.07 | pickcoder | SNow: init q or just reboot |
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| 20:06.37 | pickcoder | SNow: the installer put an outdated version of the inittab in there as the default |
| 20:06.58 | eXiSt | stew: i read that manual i didnt understand what should i do with run parts. should i run run-part for my scr? |
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| 20:08.04 | stew | eXiSt: run-parts is what is going to be running the scripst in that directory, that manpage describes the restrictions on the names of the scripts (and meteksan.rc doesn't meet those restrictions) |
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| 20:10.38 | eXiSt | stew: so if i see my script when i do "run-parts --list /etc/ppp/ip-down.d/" at the list it will run my script? isnt it? |
| 20:11.28 | stew | eXiSt: i belive so, yes |
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| 20:12.56 | Morydd | I want to move my boot partition from hdc1 to hdc8. (hdc1 is much too small, hdc8 is currently unused.) |
| 20:12.57 | eXiSt | stew: thank you. :) but i connected the gateway from remote. how can i test adsl like swithing of the line cable from remote :)))) |
| 20:13.07 | giupy-euei | is sweex nx nitro supported by debian ? |
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| 20:13.30 | msn | i somehow ended in diabling shado passwords during installation how do i enable them |
| 20:13.33 | pack | pickcoder: i've read a bit and I'm looking more for the docs on how to create the debian directory for existing source and the rules file. |
| 20:13.45 | eXiSt | i was at office one hour ago.i wish i would asked that question one hour ago :( |
| 20:13.46 | giupy | oops |
| 20:13.51 | giupy | nitro XM |
| 20:14.21 | Morydd | Can I simply copy everythign from /boot and then reassign in fstab and rerun lilo? |
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| 20:15.04 | anabain | can I install a Hurd kernel that works with my debian, that is, the same as if I download a linux kernel and compile it? |
| 20:15.21 | pack | anabain: how brave are you? |
| 20:15.40 | anabain | hehe, why? |
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| 20:15.51 | anabain | is it very difficult? |
| 20:16.03 | pickcoder | pack: look at the new maintainers guide |
| 20:16.18 | Nexus | Well, I just ran fsck.ext3 on my server and had it wipe out some directories that were working fine before I ran that. Does the information get tossed somewhere? |
| 20:16.26 | pack | as far as a know you have to have a completely seperate install, you can't just apt-get install a hurd kernel. I played with it a few years ago, and it was pretty scary as far as having a workable system |
| 20:16.32 | pickcoder | !tell pack about nm |
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| 20:16.48 | tuv | Nexus, /lost+found |
| 20:17.11 | Nexus | That's what I was afraid of. It's blank.. Nothing in it. |
| 20:17.18 | deceptacon | is there some command i can run that will show how much physical ram there is on my computer ? |
| 20:17.32 | Nexus | Filesystem was mounted readonly at the time somehow. |
| 20:17.45 | jelly-home | deceptacon: free, for example. |
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| 20:18.18 | tuv | Nexus, ext3.fsck (or e2fsck) shouldn't delete any existing files/directories. it just tries to recover lost ones to /lost+found |
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| 20:18.20 | deceptacon | jelly-home: sorry i didnt understand your last post. :/ |
| 20:18.35 | pickcoder | deceptacon: # free |
| 20:18.38 | iostream | Hi. How does cron handle exit codes from programs? (if it does?) |
| 20:18.42 | tuv | Nexus, if it puts something in /lost+found then it wasn't reachable |
| 20:18.53 | jelly-home | deceptacon: use "free" to find out how much RAM the OS can see. |
| 20:18.54 | Nexus | I ran it, rebooted, and suddenly directories that were fine stopped working so apache won't start. |
| 20:19.11 | deceptacon | oh, i see. sorry about that. |
| 20:19.15 | jelly-home | np |
| 20:20.10 | pickcoder | "free -b" will show exact bytes. the default is kilobytes |
| 20:20.53 | SNow___ | pickcoder ohh, ok then |
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| 20:21.25 | stew | (kibibytes) |
| 20:21.27 | abrotman | deceptacon: fluxbox doesn't do that .. maybe you want icewm or xfce ? |
| 20:21.57 | deceptacon | abrotman, are you talking about a desktop env ? |
| 20:22.02 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:22.16 | deceptacon | yes, ill check out icewm |
| 20:22.30 | Morydd | Is there a way to find total used space on a physical disk? |
| 20:22.36 | deceptacon | do i have to tell the computer something when i remove fluxbox |
| 20:22.38 | msn | i somehow ended in diabling shado passwords during installation how do i enable them?? |
| 20:22.54 | deceptacon | or will it configure itself to run with icewm when i do apt-get install icewm after apt-get remove fluxbox |
| 20:22.58 | abrotman | deceptacon: you don't have to .. but you can apt-get remove fluxbox |
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| 20:23.29 | msn | sorry got it |
| 20:23.42 | deceptacon | i just want to remove files so i can see what files are actually being used and by what. instead of being confused by leftover software im not using and their files |
| 20:23.49 | deceptacon | will apt-get remove do that for me |
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| 20:24.39 | newbcoder | what'ws the one liner for getting cd burning to work? |
| 20:24.40 | deceptacon | or will i have to go out and delete everything myself after figuring out for myself what package uses/used what specific files/folders |
| 20:24.57 | pickcoder | deceptacon: yes. apt-get remove will remove the installed package |
| 20:25.08 | pickcoder | deceptacon: apt-get clean will remove all downloaded .deb files |
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| 20:25.47 | deceptacon | does that include those configuration files and files created after usage, and ..etc |
| 20:26.59 | pickcoder | deceptacon: not typically.. you need to dpkg --purge <package> to get rid of config files |
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| 20:28.03 | pickcoder | deceptacon: purge will also uninstall the package |
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| 20:30.19 | abrotman | purge also removes conf files |
| 20:30.20 | deceptacon | is purge a command for dpkg or a command by itself? |
| 20:30.45 | abrotman | man apt-get |
| 20:30.51 | abrotman | !tell deceptacon about grounding |
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| 20:31.29 | deceptacon | sorry about that |
| 20:31.40 | deceptacon | i'll experiment and see how things go :) |
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| 20:33.09 | thelostbutler | hello folks, anyone know why alsa would break on me, after apt-get upgrade on a sid box. the part of the output of strace is on http://channels.debian.net/paste/3792 |
| 20:33.12 | helo_ | how can i reconfigure my soundcard... i just put this hard drive into another computer and it is loading the old sound drivers still |
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| 20:33.40 | abrotman | helo_: rerun alsaconf ? |
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| 20:34.17 | abrotman | thelostbutler: you may also need to do that |
| 20:34.19 | abrotman | erm .. wait |
| 20:34.28 | abrotman | thelostbutler: is that while you're trying to run alsaconf ? |
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| 20:34.40 | stew | !alsa one-liner |
| 20:34.41 | dpkg | hmm... alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
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| 20:36.06 | helo_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:36.15 | abrotman | that worked? |
| 20:36.17 | lam0r | hey there, can someone help with tomcat5.5? |
| 20:36.18 | helo_ | yep |
| 20:36.21 | helo_ | just alsaconf |
| 20:36.25 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 20:36.36 | MustangMatt | Interesting... apache still processes php scripts if you append a / behind the filename. That was not expected. |
| 20:36.37 | thelostbutler | abortman: alsaconf doesn't find the sound card. alsamixer aborts with the message in the paste |
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| 20:37.38 | abrotman | ISA ? |
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| 20:37.48 | Miesco | Help, I got a big problem |
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| 20:38.00 | Miesco | bash: /bin/bash: No such file or directory |
| 20:38.04 | Miesco | How do I reinstall it? |
| 20:38.08 | abrotman | apt-get install bash |
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| 20:38.31 | thelostbutler | abrotman: the drivers for the card were compiled into the kernel and there was no change in the kernel version. it broke after an upgrade. it is a pci cardIntel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) is the chipset |
| 20:38.34 | Miesco | bash is already the newest version. |
| 20:38.52 | stew | Miesco: apt-get install --reinstall bash |
| 20:39.14 | Miesco | ead: Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true returned an error code (100) |
| 20:39.14 | Miesco | ead: Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true |
| 20:39.25 | abrotman | thelostbutler: eh .. that's pretty old |
| 20:39.41 | abrotman | thelostbutler: is it your own kernel ? |
| 20:40.17 | Miesco | stew: It gives me that error |
| 20:40.35 | thelostbutler | yes sir it is CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0=y CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0M=y are set in the cfg |
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| 20:40.52 | Miesco | /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true |
| 20:40.52 | Miesco | debconf: DbDriver "passwords" warning: could not open /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat: Permission denied |
| 20:41.25 | abrotman | thelostbutler: do you know what you have updated? /var/log/dpkg.log might help here |
| 20:42.05 | pickcoder | Miesco: are you root? |
| 20:42.15 | Miesco | pickcoder: No, I am suduer though |
| 20:42.23 | Miesco | su |
| 20:42.24 | Miesco | Password: |
| 20:42.24 | Miesco | No shell |
| 20:42.34 | Miesco | Bash isn't working |
| 20:42.35 | abrotman | liveCD .. change the shell |
| 20:42.57 | cydork | Miesco, does it exist? |
| 20:43.02 | Miesco | cydork: Yea |
| 20:43.13 | wols | Miesco: edit your /etc/passwd for root |
| 20:43.31 | abrotman | thelostbutler: see anything alsa related ? |
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| 20:44.42 | Miesco | wols: Not working |
| 20:44.53 | cydork | Miesco, what does grep root /etc/passwd say? |
| 20:45.16 | Miesco | root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/tcsh |
| 20:45.25 | thelostbutler | abrotman: yes i do, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3793 is what i have |
| 20:45.40 | Miesco | cydork: Okay, works now |
| 20:45.43 | Miesco | cydork: Im root, how can I reinstall bash now? |
| 20:46.02 | abrotman | thelostbutler: have you uh .. tried a debian kernel ? |
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| 20:46.16 | abrotman | thelostbutler: if alsaconf doesn't work .. that's a bit odd |
| 20:46.17 | cydork | Miesco, i dont think you have to .. |
| 20:46.22 | abrotman | thelostbutler: or OSS has taken over |
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| 20:46.30 | stew | Miesco: what does "readlink -f /bin/sh" say? do you have either dash or posh installed? |
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| 20:46.43 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 20:46.43 | dpkg | from memory, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 20:47.00 | Miesco | stew: /bin/bash, I have dash |
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| 20:47.44 | thelostbutler | abortman: yes i used to use one couple of months ago and it worked. i had also been using the custom kernel since july and i have had no problems |
| 20:47.53 | lunar | hi |
| 20:48.01 | Miesco | stew: Bash wasn't executable for some reason, so I chmod +x'd it |
| 20:48.03 | abrotman | thelostbutler: yes .. but you've upgraded alsa |
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| 20:48.14 | ph8` | hi all |
| 20:48.26 | ph8` | I'm wondering if Debian has backported Jmicron chipset support from the latest development kernel |
| 20:48.31 | ph8` | is there any way I can find that out? |
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| 20:48.33 | thelostbutler | abortman: hmmn, okay ,will install the debain kernel and see if it works |
| 20:48.40 | Miesco | stew: I ran this script before it happened: http://www.audiocoding.com/modules/wiki/?page=FAAC#CompileErrors |
| 20:48.40 | abrotman | !tell ph8` about backports |
| 20:48.53 | abrotman | thelostbutler: just to eliminate that possible issue .. if it fails .. something else looms |
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| 20:49.34 | ph8 | aren't backports from testing -> stable abrotman ? |
| 20:49.44 | ph8 | as oppose to kernel.org kernel -> development debian kernel? |
| 20:49.56 | abrotman | ph8: backports.org has a newer kernel fit for sarge |
| 20:50.10 | ph8 | right.. |
| 20:50.18 | abrotman | not what you wanted ? |
| 20:50.28 | Miesco | stew: Could that script be the cause? |
| 20:50.28 | ph8 | and how would i check if the jmicron fix from the latest kernel.org development kernel has been backported to it? |
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| 20:50.37 | thelostbutler | abrotman: yes i guess it is worth a try |
| 20:50.39 | abrotman | ph8: it's a 2.6.16 kernel |
| 20:50.47 | abrotman | thelostbutler: and hopefully it doesn't hose anything :) |
| 20:50.50 | ph8 | then presumably, it hasn't been backported - although it's possible? |
| 20:51.02 | ph8 | what's the cutting-edge debian development branch called? sid? |
| 20:51.08 | ph8 | what's sid running? |
| 20:51.13 | abrotman | 2.6.17 |
| 20:51.18 | abrotman | or some version of that |
| 20:51.26 | ph8 | any chance the fix will be backported (and/or anyway for me to find out?) |
| 20:51.28 | ph8 | like a changelog |
| 20:51.28 | abrotman | what version at kernel.org has it ? |
| 20:51.30 | sanmarcos | YES |
| 20:51.36 | ph8 | the development version |
| 20:51.38 | abrotman | sanmarcos: discovered boobs? |
| 20:51.40 | ph8 | rc7 i think |
| 20:51.41 | Miesco | aw SHIT |
| 20:51.42 | abrotman | ph8: which tree? |
| 20:51.43 | lunar | I got a dual boot problem? etch + XP title Windows XP |
| 20:51.43 | lunar | map (hd0,0) (hd0,4) |
| 20:51.43 | lunar | map (hd0,4) (hd0,0) |
| 20:51.43 | lunar | rootnoverify (hd0,4) |
| 20:51.43 | lunar | savedefault |
| 20:51.43 | lunar | makeactive |
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| 20:51.58 | abrotman | !tell Lunar about paster |
| 20:51.59 | thelostbutler | abrotman: well if it does, will try recovering ;) always a good learning experience |
| 20:52.03 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:52.04 | sanmarcos | abrotman: ahh not yet, my friend, but soon.. |
| 20:52.10 | stew | Miesco: i don't see that script running chmod |
| 20:52.10 | ph8 | abrotman: development? |
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| 20:52.23 | ph8 | 2.6.18? |
| 20:52.28 | abrotman | ph8: i thought you meant like the -mm tree etc |
| 20:52.33 | ph8 | i think i do |
| 20:52.41 | Miesco | stew: Okay, now I am missing my programs, like gksu, and mrxvt |
| 20:53.03 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?suite=all&subword=0&exact=0&arch=any§ion=all&case=insensitive&keywords=linux-image-2.6.17&searchon=names |
| 20:53.13 | Miesco | stew: I cant even have a terminal now, accept in console mode |
| 20:53.15 | abrotman | hey .. when did etch go to 2.6.176 |
| 20:53.17 | abrotman | erm .. 17 |
| 20:53.28 | abrotman | noone tells me these things |
| 20:53.33 | cydork | abrotman, around 3-4 days back. |
| 20:53.35 | wols | Miesco: what is your alsa version? |
| 20:53.51 | abrotman | cydork: see .. this is what happens .. i just totally missed it .. i probably didn't even realize i installed it :) |
| 20:53.53 | stew | Miesco: is /usr mounted? |
| 20:53.55 | ph8 | is testing more cutting edge than unstable? |
| 20:53.58 | ph8 | or vice-versa? |
| 20:53.58 | wols | Miesco: sorry. please ignore |
| 20:54.03 | cydork | abrotman, i remereber talkin about it some days back :) |
| 20:54.05 | abrotman | !tell ph8 about release |
| 20:54.11 | abrotman | doh |
| 20:54.12 | abrotman | !tell ph8 about releases |
| 20:54.46 | Miesco | stew: Yea |
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| 20:55.18 | Miesco | wols: How do I check |
| 20:55.24 | ph8 | so if i search those changelogs i can't find any reference to 'jmicron' |
| 20:55.25 | ph8 | which smells |
| 20:55.27 | wols | Miesco: sorry. please ignore |
| 20:55.33 | ph8 | is there a bug report system where it might be logged? |
| 20:55.35 | Miesco | wols: No, I really want to know |
| 20:55.47 | wols | dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 20:55.47 | dpkg | No packages found matching <packagename> |
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| 20:56.05 | dhuv | hello all |
| 20:56.29 | cydork | hehhe |
| 20:56.30 | abrotman | !bts |
| 20:56.30 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 20:57.00 | dhuv | I setup a 3ware controller with a bunch of drives which add upto well over 1TB but when I do a df it does not see much more than 1TB /dev/sda1 1270337584 262545348 1007792236 21% /storage |
| 20:57.04 | dhuv | is this normal? |
| 20:57.06 | wols | ph8: it is unlikely debian backports anything but security fixes. go and get your 2.6.18 vanilla kernel source and build your own kernel |
| 20:57.13 | wols | !tell ph8 about kp-mantra |
| 20:57.13 | Miesco | wols: version is <none>, ahh |
| 20:57.27 | ph8 | wols: That's all fine and good, but how do i then put a compiled kernel onto an install CD? |
| 20:57.33 | ph8 | can i just overwrite the kernel that's there at the moment? |
| 20:57.44 | wols | no you can't |
| 20:57.49 | ph8 | then it won't help? |
| 20:57.56 | ph8 | hence my dilemma |
| 20:57.59 | abrotman | you could just compile your own |
| 20:58.07 | ph8 | that's what wols just said? |
| 20:58.34 | Miesco | stew: My programs are there, but it says they dotn exist |
| 20:58.37 | abrotman | cut me some slack! |
| 20:58.46 | ph8 | s'alright, just checking you didn't mean something else |
| 20:58.51 | cydork | ph8, /msg dpkg custom cd |
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| 21:00.10 | Miesco | stew: You there? |
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| 21:00.43 | ph8 | cheers guys |
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| 21:01.24 | plytheman | howdy |
| 21:02.05 | plytheman | can someone with a spare minute give me a hand? |
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| 21:02.21 | pjz | anyone have/know of a python-flup package for debian stable? |
| 21:02.44 | pjz | it's in testing but not stable in the main places |
| 21:02.59 | cydork | !ask |
| 21:03.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:03.03 | cydork | plytheman, ^^ |
| 21:03.07 | Miesco | Can someone help me, bash is there but it says it doesn't exist and I cant get a GUI terminal |
| 21:03.07 | plytheman | hey |
| 21:03.15 | stew | Miesco: are you using reiserfs? |
| 21:03.18 | pickcoder | dhuv: what does fdisk say about the partition size? |
| 21:03.36 | stew | Miesco: can you show us the output of "ls -l /path/" for some program that you are having trouble with? |
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| 21:03.42 | plytheman | can someone tell me if they can connect to irc.chatbear.com #valveerc ? |
| 21:03.58 | cydork | Miesco, which program say it doesn't exists? |
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| 21:04.03 | ChrisWhite|Work | this some new spamming method? |
| 21:04.12 | pickcoder | looks like it |
| 21:04.29 | Miesco | stew: I cant copy because I cant get a terminal in my GUI, I have to ctrl+alt F1 |
| 21:04.41 | Miesco | cydork: bash |
| 21:04.42 | Hoxzer | what could be a reason if I cannot get lirc deamon to start on boot eventhough I added line "/usr/local/sbin/lircd" to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 21:05.00 | khermans | will this overwrite any existing disk structure? sfdisk /dev/sda < saved.sda |
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| 21:05.07 | khermans | or is force needed? |
| 21:05.07 | lunar | ok how do i use the paste thing? i got at the site and now it says this content is stored at paste 3794 |
| 21:05.12 | pjz | Hoxzer: make sure any necessary kernel modules are loaded? |
| 21:05.23 | cydork | Miesco, can you paste the error . |
| 21:05.25 | cydork | !paster |
| 21:05.25 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:05.29 | cydork | Miesco, ^^ |
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| 21:05.39 | Hoxzer | pjz: yeah, :) I have added these module loads there too |
| 21:06.03 | stew | Miesco: do you see ?-------- root root .../bin/bash instead of -rwxr-xr-x ...... |
| 21:06.08 | Miesco | ls -l /bin/bash: -rwxr-xr-x something /bin/bash |
| 21:06.25 | pjz | Hoxzer: mgot any necessary serial port inits (eg. setserial ) done first too? |
| 21:06.27 | Hoxzer | pjz: :/ what do you think if I try "/usr/bin/sleep 60" ? |
| 21:06.32 | stew | Miesco: and what about the others? rxvt? |
| 21:06.38 | pjz | Hoxzer: you can try |
| 21:06.38 | stew | Miesco: are you using reiserfs? |
| 21:06.44 | Hoxzer | pjz: :) ok |
| 21:06.50 | Miesco | stew: reiserfs? |
| 21:06.53 | dhuv | does anybody know if the 2.6.16 in backports has jfs or jfs2? |
| 21:07.09 | pjz | Hoxzer: actually I might try sleep 60 && /etc/init.d/lircd & |
| 21:07.36 | stew | Miesco: if you don't know what that is, nevermind |
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| 21:08.13 | cydork | Miesco, can you paste the error msg in a paster |
| 21:08.14 | Miesco | stew: mrxvt is a symbolic link |
| 21:08.37 | Miesco | cydork: No, I cant get a GUI terminal cause bash wont work |
| 21:08.41 | stew | Miesco: have you run fsck? it sounds like you are experiencing some filesystem corruption |
| 21:08.51 | Miesco | stew: No |
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| 21:09.10 | pjz | anyone have/know of a python-flup package for debian stable? I see it in testing but not in stable. |
| 21:09.14 | Miesco | stew: But that script was suppost to make the "dos" files into "unix" ones |
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| 21:09.58 | Miesco | stew: I ran the script in a /usr/local/src/faac directoy |
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| 21:10.09 | GeroldKa | hi all |
| 21:10.16 | Miesco | stew: Maybe it affected all the files? |
| 21:10.23 | stew | Miesco: i don't think that script has anything to do with it |
| 21:10.32 | Miesco | stew: K |
| 21:10.54 | d4d0bre | hi all, i just upgraded to testing, and there doesnt seem to exist an 'xorgconfig' after installing xorg. can somebody tell me what i am missing = |
| 21:10.57 | thelostbutler | abrotman: i am back http://channels.debian.net/paste/3795 is what i have with the deb kernel |
| 21:11.28 | amphi | !drxx d4d0bre |
| 21:11.28 | dpkg | d4d0bre: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:11.47 | Miesco | stew: Should I restart? |
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| 21:12.01 | stew | Miesco: touch /forcefsk && reboot |
| 21:12.04 | stew | no |
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| 21:12.10 | stew | Miesco: touch /forcefsck && reboot |
| 21:12.33 | dhuv | does anybody know how stable xfs is in linux with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:12.42 | abrotman | thelostbutler: i think those are OSS modules |
| 21:12.50 | abrotman | thelostbutler: unload all of those .. try alsaconf again |
| 21:13.02 | abrotman | thelostbutler: unload everything down to 'snd' |
| 21:13.04 | thelostbutler | i ran alsaconf before those modules were loaded |
| 21:13.13 | abrotman | eh .. how'd they get loaded ? |
| 21:13.23 | abrotman | OH! |
| 21:13.28 | thelostbutler | i loaded them, because browsers like firefox need them |
| 21:13.40 | abrotman | so alsaconf does work |
| 21:13.45 | Bhavesh | i been using xfs under 2.6.17 for a while no problems until i decided to upgrade to unstable :) |
| 21:13.48 | Bhavesh | bbl |
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| 21:13.52 | lunar | ok here is my problem.. http://channels.debian.net/paste/3794 |
| 21:13.54 | Bhavesh | excuse me.. Be back later :) |
| 21:14.06 | thelostbutler | yes it does work. alsamixer fails |
| 21:14.25 | abrotman | same strace error |
| 21:14.26 | abrotman | ? |
| 21:14.37 | thelostbutler | :D mea culpa didn't run strace this time |
| 21:14.50 | d4d0bre | amphi: that fix doesnt work for me. |
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| 21:15.39 | thelostbutler | i will be back with the strace error and will strip down the modules again and see if it works. but the for the new kernel as it says in the dmesg, the kernel does recognize the chipset |
| 21:16.00 | thelostbutler | i dunno why alsaconf or alsamixer would have a problem |
| 21:16.01 | cydork | !doesn't work |
| 21:16.01 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 21:16.06 | cydork | d4d0bre, ^^ |
| 21:16.10 | abrotman | eh .. the alsa maintainers look about as friendly as the udev guy :) |
| 21:16.21 | eXiSt | stew: hi. i changed the settings of ip-down.d ip-up.d scripts. i kill pppd nothing happen i start it again and also nothing happened please help me |
| 21:16.27 | deceptacon | is this correct: in order to disable something from loading up in startup i can change /etc/rcx.d/Sxxxx to /etc/rcx.d/NOSxxxx ? |
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| 21:16.47 | deceptacon | and it will only affect that specific runlevel ? |
| 21:16.58 | deceptacon | in effect i want to create a test runlevel :) |
| 21:17.08 | cydork | deceptacon, install rcconf |
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| 21:17.19 | luke-jr_work | how do I make my Debian init script depend on 'networking'? |
| 21:17.19 | d4d0bre | what package would contain xorgconfig= |
| 21:17.35 | luke-jr_work | d4d0bre: why not use X -configure? |
| 21:17.47 | d4d0bre | luke-jr_work: im used to xorgconfig. |
| 21:17.51 | cydork | luke-jr_work, coz it's not the debian way. |
| 21:17.58 | luke-jr_work | o.O |
| 21:18.02 | cydork | d4d0bre, what's wrong with drxx |
| 21:18.04 | luke-jr_work | autodetection is really that bad? =p |
| 21:18.06 | deceptacon | cydork, is rcconf a gui app or a cli prog, i cant seem to find a man entry for it |
| 21:18.14 | pjz | deceptacon: that will work becauese the rc stuff only runs S* and K* scripts from /etc/rcx.d |
| 21:18.22 | d4d0bre | cydork: i either dont like dpkg-reconfigure. i just prefer xorgconfig |
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| 21:18.42 | ncp | when i try to install nvidia driver, it says i can with gcc version 4.1 how do i install nvidia driver with gcc version 4.0 both gcc versions are installede |
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| 21:18.58 | d4d0bre | cydork: dpkg complains about a modified /usr/bin/X |
| 21:19.17 | cydork | deceptacon, you have to install rcconf or man update-rc.d |
| 21:19.22 | eXiSt | stew: http://pastebin.ca/177960 |
| 21:19.43 | cydork | !tell d4d0bre about xserver-xorg postinst warning |
| 21:20.08 | lunar | can anyone help me with a grub problem dual boot debian + windows? http://channels.debian.net/paste/3794 |
| 21:21.00 | pickcoder | lunar: your root is hd 0,2 |
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| 21:21.10 | cydork | ncp, you using etch? |
| 21:21.15 | pickcoder | lunar: you shouldn't be telling grub to not verify on 0,4 |
| 21:21.16 | lunar | yes |
| 21:21.24 | pickcoder | lunar: since it's not root |
| 21:21.27 | lunar | ok let me try |
| 21:21.56 | eXiSt | wols: can u see something wrong? http://pastebin.ca/177960 |
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| 21:22.26 | ncp | cydork: etch? its the newest release undertesting |
| 21:22.41 | abrotman | etch hasn't been released |
| 21:22.49 | lunar | ok you mean change rootnotify to root hd 0,2? |
| 21:22.51 | pickcoder | lunar: gah.. I'm wrong.. that's your XP boot menu |
| 21:22.55 | pickcoder | lunar: ignore me |
| 21:22.58 | ncp | then its not :P |
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| 21:23.18 | ttyfscker | lunar:: try rootverify (hd0,0) |
| 21:23.46 | abrotman | rootnoverify ? |
| 21:23.49 | pickcoder | ttyfscker: root is on 0,2 |
| 21:24.00 | cydork | ncp, /msg dpkg version |
| 21:24.01 | ttyfscker | his linux is |
| 21:24.22 | ttyfscker | whats the W95 EXT LBA partition at 0,0? |
| 21:24.24 | wols | eXiSt: not really |
| 21:24.53 | eXiSt | wols: why pppd didnt call the script then? :( |
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| 21:25.11 | ttyfscker | pickcoder:: his windows boot is either 0,4 or 0,0 |
| 21:25.23 | ttyfscker | not 0,2 0,2 = his linux boot partition |
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| 21:26.08 | pickcoder | ttyfscker: which means the grub menu is correct |
| 21:26.14 | abrotman | XP could be 86 |
| 21:26.17 | lunar | i didnt work ... look at this too.. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/10661 (i installed grub in the mbr i think) |
| 21:26.38 | ttyfscker | not necessarily pickcoder .. it could be 0,0 |
| 21:26.40 | lunar | hd0,0 didnt work |
| 21:26.42 | Elo | Morning/Afternoon/Evening, I've tried to upgrade my kernel about 4 times since last night and I'm having issues all around. The kernel that works is 2.4 kernel, I tried to upgrade to 2.6.17.13 but the mouse doesn't work and 2.6.18 gives me a kernel panic. I installed the right drivers for the 2.6.18 kernel for my filesystem. I'm not sure what I could do to solve these issues. |
| 21:26.53 | ttyfscker | hmm |
| 21:26.55 | pearl | ubuntu sucks :) |
| 21:27.04 | pickcoder | ttyfscker: you can't boot Windows with Linux @ 0,0, though. Right? |
| 21:27.07 | cydork | !prize pearl |
| 21:27.07 | pearl | need a real long time for the bootup process :P |
| 21:27.09 | abrotman | Elo: use a debian kernel |
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| 21:27.37 | eXiSt | i cant run ip-down.d script please help me |
| 21:27.38 | Elo | abrotman: You mean don't download and configure a kernel from kernel.org ? |
| 21:27.57 | lunar | well i think i have the same problem with ubuntu ... ok ill try again with 0,0 wait for me |
| 21:27.59 | ttyfscker | pickcoder:: his linux isnt at 0,0 |
| 21:28.18 | pearl | lunar: why dont go to #ubuntu? |
| 21:28.34 | ttyfscker | pickcoder:: and yea you can do that.. i have my linux at 0,0 |
| 21:28.44 | abrotman | Elo: that is what i mean |
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| 21:28.50 | abrotman | Elo: why do you want to compile one ? |
| 21:28.51 | lunar | cos i have debian |
| 21:28.52 | cydork | pickcoder, you have do the mapping then |
| 21:29.03 | pickcoder | .oh |
| 21:29.03 | Elo | abrotman: because I was unaware of another option. |
| 21:29.08 | pearl | lunar: so why are u talking about ubuntu? |
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| 21:29.19 | Elo | abrotman: is there a generic debian kernel I can apt-get ? |
| 21:29.24 | Miesco | stew: Okay I did what you said, then my keyboard didn't work, now im on a windows computer cause the Debian one wont work when I restarted |
| 21:29.28 | ttyfscker | pearl:: his question wasnt distro specific |
| 21:29.29 | abrotman | Elo: which version of debian are you on ? |
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| 21:29.33 | lunar | isnt it the same problem? |
| 21:29.40 | pearl | Elo: apt-cache search kernel image |
| 21:29.41 | Elo | Linux version 2.6.17.13 (root@sunshine) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #4 Wed Sep 20 01:49:47 EDT 2006 |
| 21:29.50 | ttyfscker | lunar:: yea it dont matter about things like that |
| 21:29.53 | Elo | on this one I can't get my mouse working. :( |
| 21:29.54 | abrotman | Elo: no .. dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:29.57 | ttyfscker | people like him are just going to refer you to #grub |
| 21:29.58 | Miesco | stew: If I reinstall debian will it keep all my stuff? |
| 21:30.02 | ttyfscker | or some other useless resource |
| 21:30.14 | lunar | ok i am logging off now rebooting |
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| 21:30.18 | Elo | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 21:30.28 | abrotman | Elo: which CPU do you have ? |
| 21:30.33 | Elo | x86 |
| 21:30.40 | Elo | or do you mean i386 ? |
| 21:30.42 | intx | Miesco: depends on how you install it |
| 21:30.42 | abrotman | more specific please |
| 21:30.51 | abrotman | P4? 486? etc |
| 21:30.57 | pearl | Miesco: the data on the partitions u formate are lost |
| 21:30.59 | Miesco | intx: right now /etc/init.d/, thoughs files dont work |
| 21:31.04 | abrotman | Elo: ? |
| 21:31.05 | Elo | p4 |
| 21:31.06 | pearl | man dump |
| 21:31.06 | intx | Miesco: if you repartition/format, yes |
| 21:31.07 | pearl | ?D |
| 21:31.08 | pearl | =D |
| 21:31.16 | abrotman | Elo: single core and single CPU ? |
| 21:31.24 | Elo | yes |
| 21:31.33 | abrotman | Elo: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:31.38 | Miesco | intx: If I dont repartition and I just reinstall will my computer be fixed, I think the filesystem is fudged up or something |
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| 21:31.51 | intx | Miesco: depends on what's wrong? |
| 21:32.26 | Elo | abrotman: this should take care of generic things, correct? |
| 21:32.30 | Miesco | intx: bash wont execute, its there, but it says it doens't exist, and I cant start my computer cause the same problem for the rc files |
| 21:32.43 | abrotman | Elo: and for your mouse .. try putting 'mousedev' in /etc/modules |
| 21:32.52 | Elo | abrotman: I did. :) |
| 21:32.56 | d4d0bre | cydork: well i tried this. and after configurung the xserver it has only max. 60 refresh rate which is way too low. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesnt ask me about resolutions and refresh rates like in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. why? |
| 21:33.00 | Elo | but I will try once this new kernel is installed. |
| 21:33.17 | abrotman | Elo: okeedokee |
| 21:33.30 | Elo | abrotman: I appreciate the help, I'll let you know how it goes. |
| 21:33.37 | intx | Miesco: you may have to reformat for that, have you tried running fsck? |
| 21:34.06 | abrotman | Elo: you're welcome :) |
| 21:34.16 | pearl | d4d0bre: look at the config file |
| 21:34.30 | pearl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.00 | d4d0bre | pearl: there is only specific horiz. and vert. ranges,which i dont know. dpkg used to give me a simple choice. so did xorgconfig |
| 21:35.26 | pearl | just change what u need to change... |
| 21:35.33 | Miesco | intx: I did touch /forcefsck && reboot |
| 21:35.49 | Elo | abrotman: will you marry me? 8D Worked just fine. |
| 21:35.58 | Miesco | intx: All that seemed to do was make my keyboard not work so i had to restart |
| 21:36.01 | abrotman | Elo: have a nice day :) |
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| 21:36.05 | Elo | _o/ |
| 21:36.06 | deceptacon | what does the -alwaysshared and -nevershared options mean in vnc ? i dont know what a "shared desktop" is |
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| 21:36.45 | jelly-home | deceptacon: I'm guessing that means more than one user connecting simultaneously to the same desktop. |
| 21:36.50 | d4d0bre | well is there a chance to install xorgconfig binaries or not= |
| 21:36.51 | lunar | well guys it doesnt work with hd0.0. I hope you have any clue.. |
| 21:36.57 | Miesco | Is this the debian sarge I should get: debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 21:37.07 | pearl | deceptacon: i think that have to do with streaming a movie in the www |
| 21:37.07 | wols | Miesco: yes |
| 21:37.12 | pearl | or local network, whatever |
| 21:37.13 | jelly-home | lunar: surely you meant hd0,0 |
| 21:37.19 | wols | lunar: stop that stupid mapping |
| 21:37.37 | deceptacon | pearll: streaming movies? what do you mean? |
| 21:37.42 | wols | if you have installed XP to a extended partition it knows that it's in there by itself |
| 21:37.45 | lunar | i stopped the mapping |
| 21:37.48 | intx | Miesco: run fsck itself |
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| 21:37.58 | Miesco | intx: Then hit y? |
| 21:38.02 | deceptacon | jelly-home: if im the only one using vnc, and the physical computer, its safe to say -nevershared ? |
| 21:38.03 | wols | Miesco: remount read only first! |
| 21:38.07 | pearl | deceptacon: you dont know what a stream is? |
| 21:38.15 | pearl | audio stream, video stream... |
| 21:38.28 | deceptacon | yeah i do, but what does that have to do with vnc, though? |
| 21:38.31 | jelly-home | deceptacon: I'm guessing yes. |
| 21:38.47 | intx | Miesco: mount; see what's mounted, then mount -o remount,ro for each partition |
| 21:38.49 | wols | lunar: which program/installer wrote this menu.lst btw? |
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| 21:38.56 | pearl | vnc is a client for looking videos with a feature for streaming videos to the www |
| 21:39.28 | deceptacon | :/ |
| 21:39.32 | deceptacon | tightvncserver |
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| 21:39.39 | deceptacon | sorry, i failed to clarify |
| 21:39.43 | pearl | a swiss guy =D |
| 21:39.47 | jelly-home | pearl: that's vLc, not vnc |
| 21:39.52 | Miesco | intx: fsck: /: clean something files, ... blocks |
| 21:39.53 | pearl | oops :P |
| 21:39.59 | TARZEAU | pearl: who? |
| 21:40.00 | pearl | i did it again -smile- |
| 21:40.10 | pearl | TARZEAU: g0th |
| 21:40.15 | lunar | i dont really know...the default etch plus my lines about windows |
| 21:40.24 | g0th | hi, what package do I need for the development files for (lib)vorbisfile? |
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| 21:40.30 | wols | debian menu.lst looks very much different |
| 21:40.32 | g0th | I didn't find any :( |
| 21:40.40 | wols | usually. lots more comments and stuff |
| 21:40.44 | intx | Miesco: ? |
| 21:40.45 | pearl | g0th: apt-cache search lib vorbis dev | less |
| 21:40.46 | pearl | :) |
| 21:40.52 | g0th | vorbis-dev contains them? |
| 21:40.54 | TARZEAU | !ch |
| 21:40.55 | dpkg | ch is probably Switzerland |
| 21:40.58 | pearl | maybe, install it |
| 21:40.59 | g0th | ya |
| 21:41.13 | TARZEAU | dpkg ch is also #linux.ch and Confoederatio Helvetica |
| 21:41.13 | dpkg | TARZEAU: okay |
| 21:41.24 | g0th | I tried to install a program that depends on vorbisfile and it didn't find it |
| 21:41.31 | pearl | !ch |
| 21:41.31 | dpkg | i heard ch is Switzerland, or #linux.ch and Confoederatio Helvetica |
| 21:41.32 | g0th | (I have vorbis-dev installed) |
| 21:41.35 | pearl | hehehehe |
| 21:41.45 | pearl | dpkg learned from TARZEAU :) |
| 21:41.55 | pearl | dpkg: your a clever guy :-p |
| 21:41.59 | jelly-home | how do I make blootbot connect to two servers and a different channel on each server? |
| 21:42.13 | pearl | jelly-home: read the config file? :) |
| 21:42.20 | pearl | google for example configs? |
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| 21:43.04 | wols | http://channels.debian.net/paste/ <- lunar, that's my relevant windows part of menu.lst |
| 21:43.09 | jelly-home | pearl: there's not much to read in the config files and they are scattered across the filesystem. |
| 21:43.13 | wols | you should use (hd0,3) |
| 21:43.27 | pearl | jelly-home: no documentation? |
| 21:43.34 | Miesco | intx: My debian computer is all the way downstairs, thats why it takes so long to try things |
| 21:43.42 | abrotman | i thought lunar was running ubuntu ? |
| 21:43.49 | lunar | no |
| 21:44.01 | abrotman | good answer :) |
| 21:44.06 | lunar | hehe |
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| 21:44.27 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
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| 21:44.38 | cjones | has anybody hear did an install on a via c3 mini-itx ? |
| 21:44.40 | steinchen | good evening |
| 21:44.45 | wols | abrotman: his menu.lst paste talks about a 2.6.16 debian kernel. so right now I believe him even if the menu.lst looks a bit funny |
| 21:44.57 | steinchen | isit safe to run etch elread? |
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| 21:45.12 | wols | steinchen: it's not safe to run anything |
| 21:45.23 | wols | sarge constantly gets security advisories... |
| 21:45.30 | cjones | or know much about them ? |
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| 21:45.47 | lunar | wols: write again the paste ok? ill paste the whole menu.list in a while wait |
| 21:45.48 | wols | cjones: you need to learn to ask smart questions |
| 21:45.57 | steinchen | etch dont? |
| 21:45.59 | dhuv | cjones: I installed on an sp8000 |
| 21:46.04 | wols | http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 21:46.13 | wols | steinchen: think before you write please |
| 21:46.16 | jelly-home | pearl: may I ask if you have any first-hand knowledge about this app, or are you just throwing generic advice at me? I did my research, I googled, and am trying to find someone who actually knows something about this app, like perhaps the owners of dpkg and apt. |
| 21:46.29 | wols | lunar: sorry, mea culpa: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3796 |
| 21:46.30 | cjones | dhuv have you donr much multimidea with it ? |
| 21:46.44 | dhuv | its a mythtv box |
| 21:47.15 | cjones | dhuv mythtv ? |
| 21:47.16 | pearl | jelly-home: iam looking for the app to try it :P |
| 21:47.23 | dhuv | not in use yet because the sat box is not working there but linux works well |
| 21:47.27 | Miesco | intx: Okay I did mount -o remount /dev/hda3, then when I did mount it said: (error: remount ,ro) or something |
| 21:47.36 | wols | cjones: a PVR |
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| 21:47.49 | wols | Miesco: yes remount it RO, not just remount |
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| 21:47.58 | dhuv | cjones: its a personal video recorder |
| 21:48.03 | dhuv | like tivo |
| 21:48.10 | cjones | dhuv i want to build it for a autopc with a touch screen ...gotchya |
| 21:48.36 | dhuv | cjones: OK so whats the problem? |
| 21:48.44 | Miesco | wols: RO? |
| 21:48.53 | wols | ro as in "read only" |
| 21:48.59 | cjones | dhuv and was wondering what problems i should expect to run in to befor i just start throwing it together |
| 21:49.00 | dhuv | I personally do not have experience with touchscreens, but debian runs well on my sp8000 |
| 21:49.04 | Miesco | wols: mount -o remount,ro /dev/hda3? |
| 21:49.27 | cjones | dhuv so it installed fine get ? |
| 21:49.32 | dhuv | yes |
| 21:49.35 | dhuv | no problems |
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| 21:49.45 | cjones | sweet are you running gnome or kde ? |
| 21:49.49 | dhuv | kde |
| 21:49.55 | lunar | here it is http://channels.debian.net/paste/3797. i am rebooting with windows hd0,3 |
| 21:50.00 | dhuv | gnome should run just as well |
| 21:50.30 | cjones | what are you running ad far as a ps ? |
| 21:50.36 | pearl | lunar: hehehe |
| 21:50.38 | wols | lunar: no makeactive |
| 21:50.40 | pearl | lunar: you are missign something |
| 21:50.46 | wols | you don't care about silly bootflags |
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| 21:50.55 | wols | no rootnoverify either |
| 21:50.58 | dhuv | whats ps? |
| 21:51.07 | wols | and NO (hd0,0) |
| 21:51.12 | cjones | power supply |
| 21:51.20 | lunar | ? |
| 21:51.31 | pearl | on ur windows partition u have to write map (0,0) (1,0) map (1,0) (0,1) |
| 21:51.34 | pearl | or something like this |
| 21:51.37 | wols | PSU is a powersupply. ps is a unix program and PS is a playstation |
| 21:51.38 | cjones | are you useing a compact flash boot ? |
| 21:51.45 | dhuv | I use a silverstone case which supports the sp8000, it comes with an external powersupply kinda like with laptops |
| 21:51.52 | pearl | but with ur harddisks |
| 21:51.59 | dhuv | cjones: no regular sata hd |
| 21:52.12 | cjones | ok cool |
| 21:52.24 | cjones | thanks for the help |
| 21:52.29 | dhuv | no problem |
| 21:52.42 | twobitsprite | can anyone tell me what driver I need to run my on-board intel graphics controler properly? |
| 21:53.04 | steinchen | i read abit.. thanks for the tip of thinking, wols |
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| 21:55.01 | wols | twobitsprite: depends on the chip you have. which is it? |
| 21:55.26 | twobitsprite | wols: lspci says: 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 03) |
| 21:55.35 | pearl | jelly-home: sorry for disturbing you, this bot is really big :D |
| 21:55.57 | pearl | sql, and perl, and pgsql, lol |
| 21:55.57 | wols | twobitsprite: i810 then |
| 21:55.58 | pearl | =D |
| 21:56.03 | TARZEAU | haha the firefax/logo/name stuff crack me up |
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| 21:56.12 | twobitsprite | wols: as in, 'modprobe i810'? |
| 21:56.13 | wols | twobitsprite: your PC is a P3? |
| 21:56.23 | Miesco | intx: mount gives: /dev/hda3 (errors=remount-ro) or something |
| 21:56.24 | wols | !tell twobitsprite about drxx |
| 21:56.32 | Miesco | I did mount -o remount,ro /dev/hda3 |
| 21:56.41 | wols | Miesco: remounte,ro is right |
| 21:56.59 | twobitsprite | wols: II |
| 21:57.02 | jelly-home | pearl: I already know that, that's why I'm looking for someone who has already set it up. Mine is running fine on a single server. |
| 21:57.08 | Miesco | wols: Why does it say errors? |
| 21:57.17 | deceptacon | do i need any X services running on computer A if im going to access computer A from computer B via vnc ? |
| 21:57.39 | wols | deceptacon: A needs to run an X serve of course |
| 21:57.51 | deceptacon | i thought B needed it not A |
| 21:58.01 | Miesco | wols: Can I write to a CD on a read-only mount? |
| 21:58.11 | pearl | jelly-home: i dont find a config file, lol =D |
| 21:58.20 | pearl | this bot makes a real dirty look at me... |
| 21:58.22 | wols | Miesco: mount -r -o remount /dev/... |
| 21:58.46 | twobitsprite | wols: how do I find out how much vram I have? |
| 21:58.52 | wols | deceptacon: B needs a vnc client |
| 21:59.00 | pearl | jelly-home: i think i found it =) |
| 21:59.03 | wols | twobitsprite: you set it in BIOS |
| 21:59.15 | jelly-home | pearl: there are several config files in /etc/blootbot and /var/lib/blootbot if you want to play with it. |
| 21:59.22 | wols | twobitsprite: what resolution do you want to use? |
| 21:59.26 | twobitsprite | wols: blast... so I have to reset? |
| 21:59.26 | pearl | jelly-home: i dont have it on my debian |
| 21:59.31 | deceptacon | wols, im not trying to display anything on computer A, i want A to show a login screen. remote computer B is showing all the progs running on A |
| 21:59.34 | pearl | i downloaded the source from sf.net |
| 21:59.34 | twobitsprite | wols: 1280x1024 |
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| 21:59.53 | wols | deceptacon: and that's why B needs a vnc client and A needs all the rest including an X server |
| 21:59.55 | deceptacon | wols: even then, will i still need x to be running on A |
| 21:59.58 | Miesco | wols: Can I write to a CD on a read-only file system? |
| 22:00.03 | wols | twobitsprite: colors? |
| 22:00.04 | deceptacon | hm |
| 22:00.08 | twobitsprite | wols: 24bit |
| 22:00.12 | twobitsprite | er |
| 22:00.14 | pearl | jelly-home: blootbot.chan and blootbot.servers, i think that are the files u have to play with =) |
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| 22:00.29 | twobitsprite | wols: yeah, 24 |
| 22:00.34 | pearl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:00.41 | wols | 1024x1280x4 = x. x is the amount of bytes you need in vram. round up to nearest power of 2 |
| 22:00.48 | Miesco | How would I use cdrecord to write /home/shawn to /dev/hdc |
| 22:00.57 | twobitsprite | wols: ahh... right on |
| 22:01.08 | TARZEAU | Miesco: you'd first use mkisofs |
| 22:01.11 | seto | hi all, I have some problem with nvidia propietary driver, when I try to load, I have error like nvidia: Unknow symbol agp_allocate_memory .. |
| 22:01.17 | wols | Miesco: you make an ISO with mkisofs, then write it to your CD-R via cdrecord |
| 22:01.42 | wols | seto: how did you get that nvidia driver? |
| 22:01.58 | Miesco | wols, Can you tell me the commands please, I dont have any man pages cause it cant create them cause its ro, and I dont want to mess this up cause im reformating |
| 22:01.59 | seto | wols: with module-assistant auto-install nvidia |
| 22:02.20 | wols | seto: probbaly your installed gcc and the gcc the kernel was made with are different |
| 22:02.42 | jelly-home | pearl: hey, you just found out what i already knew, great. :-| |
| 22:02.47 | wols | Miesco: no I can't since I don't know. but google knows. lots of manpages out there |
| 22:03.02 | seto | wols: so what can I do ? (I use debian linux-image for the kernel) |
| 22:03.03 | wols | yes. google for "Mkisofs manpage" |
| 22:03.20 | wols | seto: tried "modprobe nvidia"? |
| 22:03.27 | wols | seto: and what kernel is it? |
| 22:03.30 | wols | uname -r |
| 22:03.43 | seto | wols: kernel is 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 22:04.14 | seto | wols: and yes I try modprobe nvidia , and I get different unknow symbol error |
| 22:04.14 | twobitsprite | wols: is that in bytes? i.e. 8388608 would be 8 megs? |
| 22:04.15 | pearl | jelly-home: have you tried it on the partyline? |
| 22:04.47 | pearl | on much irc robots its easier to use the partyline for things like this |
| 22:04.48 | wols | twobitsprite: dunno. it's in K I think. 8192K. doesn't it say? |
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| 22:05.02 | wols | 8192k |
| 22:05.22 | twobitsprite | ohh... my BIOS? dunno, haven't checked... I was just doing the math, and I didn't know if x in your equation was in bytes |
| 22:05.24 | wols | seto: sounds like different gcc versions |
| 22:05.39 | wols | twobitsprite: yes in my equation it's bytes |
| 22:05.44 | twobitsprite | k, thanks |
| 22:08.01 | seto | wols: so I think I must get the good gcc, but how can I know wich is use to compile my kernel ? |
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| 22:08.15 | wols | ima,e -a |
| 22:08.19 | wols | uname -a |
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| 22:08.49 | jelly-home | pearl: I don't know what partyline is, is that the /msg interface ? |
| 22:08.56 | pearl | yep |
| 22:09.16 | pearl | with the crazy .something commands on an eggdrop, hehe |
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| 22:09.34 | IndridCold | hi guys |
| 22:09.50 | IndridCold | I've plugged in a USB harddrive to my debian box ... but it's formatted as NTFS and can't be read |
| 22:09.58 | IndridCold | is there a way I can change it to EXT3 ? |
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| 22:10.13 | Miesco | Wait, I cant make an ISO on a READ ONLY FILESYTEM |
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| 22:10.16 | amphi | IndridCold: mkfs it |
| 22:10.38 | amphi | IndridCold: is it all one partition? |
| 22:10.55 | pearl | mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdX |
| 22:10.57 | pearl | :) |
| 22:10.57 | Miesco | wols: DO I need an ISO to write to a CD? |
| 22:11.06 | pearl | Miesco: no |
| 22:11.15 | pearl | Miesco: eyou can write everything to a cd :) |
| 22:11.21 | IndridCold | weeekeeed mon! |
| 22:11.36 | Miesco | Im going to try using one of thoughs USB sticks or whatever |
| 22:11.40 | wols | pearl: so how do YOU write to a CD without and ISO from console? |
| 22:11.52 | seto | wols: how ? with uname ? no .. I try to recompile with the last gcc.. |
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| 22:12.13 | pearl | how man cdrecord it says :) |
| 22:12.16 | wols | seto: what does uname -a say? |
| 22:13.00 | wols | pearl: let me guess: you have NO clue but like to see your writings on screen? |
| 22:13.04 | pearl | u can burn single files or multiple files without an iso image... |
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| 22:13.49 | seto | wols: the version of the kernel and the date, and in /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.17-2-686/buildinfo.gz I can read gcc 4.1.2 |
| 22:14.15 | pearl | wols: no, what i like is to dream about binar code, i do it everynight... |
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| 22:14.40 | seto | wols: and I use exactly this gcc on my system .. |
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| 22:14.40 | deceptacon | what kind of process is "-:0" |
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| 22:15.46 | Miesco | Nope, cant back up on a readonly filesystem, should I just reformat, and reinstall debian? |
| 22:16.04 | wols | Miesco: why is it read only? |
| 22:16.06 | Cooner750 | I have SMB setup on my Debian machine so it shows up on my Windows network. However, when trying to login from a windows machine it wont accept any user or password, it just keeps popping up again |
| 22:16.10 | Cooner750 | any ideas? |
| 22:16.12 | wols | have you mounted it read only? |
| 22:16.17 | Miesco | wols: Cause thats how it boots |
| 22:16.26 | seto | ok I will use nv driver for now, good night all |
| 22:16.39 | wols | Miesco: have you remounted it in rw mode then? |
| 22:16.45 | Miesco | wols: It cant run anything it cant run /etc/init.d/rcS or anything |
| 22:16.50 | Miesco | wols: HOw do I do that? |
| 22:17.04 | wols | mount -w -o remount /dev... |
| 22:17.07 | abrotman | deceptacon: display |
| 22:17.12 | Cooner750 | at the top of the login window it says "Connect to localhost." that cant be right? |
| 22:17.21 | Cooner750 | even though it shows up as it's hostname, HP Server |
| 22:17.29 | deceptacon | whose display, on the local machine? or is it vnc related |
| 22:17.38 | wols | X' display |
| 22:17.47 | Cooner750 | /etc/hosts problem maybe? |
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| 22:18.21 | wols | Cooner750: what windows version? |
| 22:18.28 | Cooner750 | XP Home, SP2 |
| 22:18.43 | wols | Cooner750: have you use smbpasswd to create users? |
| 22:18.58 | Cooner750 | wols: No, can I do that over SSH? |
| 22:19.06 | dig | hi debian folx |
| 22:19.08 | wols | yes. man smbpasswd |
| 22:19.40 | Miesco | wols: Okay mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1, says I need to specify filesystem |
| 22:20.01 | wols | then do it |
| 22:20.17 | deceptacon | do i have to restart in order to see system wide changes (ie changed a /etc/rcx.d/ sym links) |
| 22:20.25 | wols | deceptacon: no |
| 22:20.41 | wols | only time you restart is with a new kernel or new hardware (where you power of ot put it in) |
| 22:21.04 | stew | deceptacon: just changing links in there wouldnt' caause services to be started or stopped, but you could start or stop them by hand without rebooting |
| 22:21.12 | deceptacon | oh, i see |
| 22:21.27 | Miesco | wols: What kind of filesystem is it? |
| 22:21.42 | wols | Miesco: I am not psychich. I don#t know how you format your stuff |
| 22:21.48 | wols | -h |
| 22:22.33 | Cooner750 | I think my server just kernel panicked |
| 22:22.37 | Miesco | wols: Its one of thoughs USB stick things |
| 22:23.00 | wols | what part of "I don#t know how you format your stuff" is hard to understand? |
| 22:23.20 | Cooner750 | what is the command to restart the SMB server? or do I have to? |
| 22:23.20 | Miesco | wols: Well I dont know either |
| 22:23.35 | Cooner750 | I guess not, it works now |
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| 22:24.36 | Cooner750 | I dont have permissions to do anything |
| 22:24.39 | Cooner750 | except read |
| 22:24.41 | Cooner750 | apparently |
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| 22:25.28 | diesel | I just downloaded squirrelmail and the application works in Lynx, but in Firefox, I am asked if I want to download the index.php file. Anyone knkow why this is? |
| 22:25.45 | wols | diesel: wrong mimetype |
| 22:26.37 | diesel | wols: wrong mimetype on the server where the application is hosted? |
| 22:26.45 | wols | yes |
| 22:26.54 | wols | it sends in something else than text/html i'd say |
| 22:26.58 | TARZEAU | !popcon |
| 22:26.58 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:26.59 | wols | ffox is very picky about it |
| 22:27.08 | diesel | wols: where do I set that |
| 22:27.22 | wols | apache configs. tho debian should do it automagically |
| 22:27.25 | Miesco | wols: Do you know of anyway to debug my problem? |
| 22:27.29 | pickcoder | I would expect Lynx to display PHP source if it was a mime issue |
| 22:28.14 | wols | Miesco: try various filesystems at random. one of them should be it |
| 22:28.20 | diesel | wols: the debian configs did not |
| 22:28.32 | diesel | wols: so is there any other reason |
| 22:28.32 | wols | diesel: which apache and which debian? |
| 22:28.39 | Miesco | wols: I mean why my filesystem is messed up |
| 22:28.47 | diesel | wols: apache 2 and debian testing |
| 22:28.52 | wols | Miesco: since I dunno what you did to it, no |
| 22:29.03 | Miesco | wols: Should I just reformat? |
| 22:29.26 | wols | diesel: that works fine here and I never had to edit apache configs except for adding virtualhosts |
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| 22:29.33 | Michael__ | hey guys |
| 22:29.57 | Michael__ | for some reason the debian installer is having a really hard time dealing with software raid |
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| 22:30.22 | Michael__ | it creates independent software raids for each of my identical hard drives and it should just be one |
| 22:30.42 | Michael__ | with both of my hard drives |
| 22:30.46 | deceptacon | ive apt-get installed fluxbox, and then realized that icewm would be better. ive apt-get installed icewm but i dont know how to make icewm load up instead of fluxbox everytime |
| 22:31.00 | pickcoder | Michael__: md0 = drive 1 and md1 = drive 2? |
| 22:31.02 | Zarephath | Can I wildcard the .jigdo file so jigdo-lite will just parse through and download all the disks in the mirror site path? |
| 22:31.07 | Michael__ | pickcoder, yeah. |
| 22:31.08 | Miesco | wols: I CANT reformat... TO much stuff I need |
| 22:31.24 | Miesco | wols: Half of the programs dont work so I cant back anything up |
| 22:31.36 | diesel | wols: ugh...well, that's no help |
| 22:31.53 | Michael__ | pickcoder, any idea? |
| 22:32.03 | pickcoder | Michael__: how did you set the raid up, I.E. process steps |
| 22:32.37 | Zarephath | deceptacon: check .xinitrc and change the line that is loading your other wm to use icewm... |
| 22:32.40 | Michael__ | pickcoder, I set each of the hard drive's one partitions with automatic raid detection partition status and then went into the software raid setup menu |
| 22:33.20 | Michael__ | pickcoder, these are sata 500gb seagate drives with perpendicular technology |
| 22:33.39 | pickcoder | so you selected both drives and then made them what kind of RAID? |
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| 22:33.55 | clocker | deceptacon, if Debian is like some others this way you should be able to create an ~.xinitrc file with the name of the preferred window manager in it. |
| 22:34.01 | Michael__ | pickcoder, well when I get into the menu theres only one drive listed |
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| 22:34.23 | Michael__ | pickcoder, raid 1 |
| 22:34.25 | Cooner750 | why would a shared printer named "lp" show up in the "shared printers" in SMB on my Debian machine? |
| 22:34.27 | deceptacon | what if i want to make a system wide default for a window manager? |
| 22:34.35 | Michael__ | pickcoder, sorry, brainfat |
| 22:34.49 | clocker | deceptacon, not sure on Debian sorry |
| 22:35.06 | clocker | I'm trying to learn enough to survive here... |
| 22:35.37 | dsmith | Hello. I recently upgraded to Etch from Sarge. X (startx and xdm) seems to take quite a while to start up. Like 12 seconds. It didn't used to. Why? How can I sped it up? |
| 22:35.49 | Michael__ | pickcoder, fart* |
| 22:35.58 | pickcoder | Michael__: I had issues with softraid from install. It took going through the sequence a few times. If you mess up the configs and get to the "building array" step, then you'll have to reboot and start over. |
| 22:36.01 | Zarephath | clocker: Well then you have enough information to change the wm to load another :-) |
| 22:36.19 | pickcoder | Michael__: you can't step backwards once mdadm has setup the raid in memory |
| 22:36.29 | clocker | indeed... but can I solve my modem issues... :D |
| 22:36.49 | Zarephath | clocker: Depends..is it a winmodem? |
| 22:36.59 | clocker | no |
| 22:37.04 | clocker | usr |
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| 22:37.32 | clocker | I've used it for years with other distros, but never got it working with deb and I reallllllllly want to run debian |
| 22:37.32 | Zarephath | clocker: US Robotics?? |
| 22:37.35 | clocker | yes |
| 22:37.41 | pickcoder | gah.. USR |
| 22:37.43 | dsmith | Is it *normal* for xorg to take that long to start? |
| 22:37.51 | pickcoder | :P |
| 22:38.14 | clocker | Zarephath, lspci -vv and a long list of other attempts have failed utterly |
| 22:38.18 | pickcoder | USR loves to put buggy firmware on their modems |
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| 22:39.05 | clocker | Deb is the only one that has issues and I've run half a dozen distros since living full time in *nix since January 2001 |
| 22:39.12 | Michael__ | pickcoder, I don't have a problem with redoing the installer wizard |
| 22:39.22 | Michael__ | pickcoder, I've retried a few different times |
| 22:39.25 | clocker | I've met others that have no trouble with it too which really sux |
| 22:39.29 | Michael__ | pickcoder, I'm frankly running out of time |
| 22:39.35 | Michael__ | pickcoder, XD |
| 22:39.37 | Zarephath | clocker: Not much here...I just use a NIC and ip and I'm on the net...however you *could* look at getting a rpm from a different distro and convert it to .deb and see how that works |
| 22:40.27 | pickcoder | Michael__: I dunno what to tell you. Maybe someone else that has more experience installing softraid can help. |
| 22:40.37 | Michael__ | pickcoder, ok thanks |
| 22:40.38 | clocker | Zarephath, An rpm for what exactly? I pppd responsible for the modem? |
| 22:40.47 | pickcoder | Michael__: I decided to go back to hardware. It just _works_... |
| 22:40.51 | clocker | oops.. is ppd.... |
| 22:41.28 | pickcoder | clocker: what model modem is it? |
| 22:41.52 | TARZEAU | have you already sent a mail to them to encourage them support the Free BIOS project? http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/free-bios.html |
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| 22:42.32 | clocker | pickcoder, Model 5610 usr |
| 22:42.43 | Zarephath | clocker: Your statement was you have run it succesfully on half a dozen distros......I *assumed* you knew what driver/module whatever was used on one of the other distros...if you knew that and the one was .rpm based you could convert...but then again you haven't defined the exact issue you have.... |
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| 22:43.23 | lws | I'm having a strange problem... |
| 22:43.35 | pickcoder | clocker: there is an RPM on the USR web site. |
| 22:43.38 | lws | I get logged out immediately from the console, but not from ssh when I try to login |
| 22:43.49 | lws | Any ideas as to what might cause that? |
| 22:43.50 | pickcoder | clocker: check out alien |
| 22:43.58 | clocker | I agree Zarephath, but I don't know how to deterrmine that |
| 22:43.58 | lws | pam configuration? |
| 22:44.06 | wols | clocker: run minicom Iif it's a serial modem) and enter "ati" |
| 22:44.15 | pickcoder | clocker: aliens lets you install non-deb packages |
| 22:44.21 | pickcoder | -s |
| 22:44.23 | clocker | pickcoder, yes, but it doesn't work |
| 22:44.43 | clocker | pickcoder, I've used alien before in previous attempts |
| 22:44.44 | clocker | thanks |
| 22:44.47 | pickcoder | what doesn't work |
| 22:44.51 | pickcoder | the modem? the tool? |
| 22:44.53 | clocker | the rpm |
| 22:44.54 | wols | that shows you the model |
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| 22:45.05 | clocker | it's ancient |
| 22:45.06 | wols | pickcoder: alien never really works |
| 22:45.11 | pickcoder | and lspci doesn't show a 3com device? |
| 22:45.16 | Zarephath | clocker: did you look at /var/log dmesg and see what it output other than lspci? |
| 22:45.22 | pickcoder | wols: well it's worth a try if that's all you got |
| 22:45.28 | clocker | wols, can I run that in minicom when I'm connected? |
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| 22:45.49 | wols | pickcoder: no. you use alien to convert the rpm to tgz and then use that tarball |
| 22:45.57 | clocker | yes Zarephath I did dmesg |grep ttyS |
| 22:46.00 | wols | clocker: no. how are you connected? |
| 22:46.11 | wols | and what EXACTLY doesn't work? error messages please! |
| 22:46.17 | wols | otherwise we cannot help you |
| 22:46.18 | clocker | via fc5 and I'm not happy.... lol |
| 22:46.26 | Zarephath | clocker: The first thing you have to know is if the device is even recognized... |
| 22:46.43 | clocker | the device shows up nowhere |
| 22:46.58 | wols | clocker: try what I told you |
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| 22:47.07 | wols | serial modems won't show anywhere usually |
| 22:47.15 | wols | is it internal or an external modem? |
| 22:47.17 | clocker | wols, hang on... |
| 22:47.19 | pickcoder | wols: sorry for being vague in my response |
| 22:47.33 | clocker | Internal hardware... no question |
| 22:47.39 | pickcoder | wols: it's a PCI modem |
| 22:47.43 | clocker | kids are clammering for the bb1! |
| 22:47.45 | clocker | heh |
| 22:47.48 | clocker | bbQ |
| 22:48.12 | wols | clocker: then it should recognized additional serial ports. how many serial ports do you have in FC5? |
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| 22:48.30 | pickcoder | it's normally COM5 which would be what.. ttyS4? |
| 22:48.51 | pickcoder | Zarephath: it depends on the chipset they decided to use that month... |
| 22:48.52 | wols | Zarephath: then it wouldn't work in FC5 |
| 22:49.07 | pack | i'm finding the DEVEL howto on module_assistant lacking. |
| 22:49.11 | clocker | 0000:00:0c.0: ttyS2 at I/O 0xd800 (irq = 16) is a 16550A |
| 22:49.24 | wols | clocker: that it probably is |
| 22:50.05 | pickcoder | hm |
| 22:50.19 | wols | but with that IO it should really show up with PCI. what debian kernel did you use and what FC5 kernel (versions)? |
| 22:50.21 | clocker | wols, sorry... kids... what "that it probably is" |
| 22:50.22 | clocker | ? |
| 22:50.32 | wols | and as for the IRQ; you must have APIC with that |
| 22:50.47 | wols | that is probably the modem, since it is a PCI device (0xd800) |
| 22:50.47 | clocker | yes |
| 22:50.58 | clocker | it is indeed |
| 22:51.01 | wols | so what kernel versions? |
| 22:52.18 | dan2 | asg yo |
| 22:52.18 | clocker | This info was from the last attempt - W5 2.6.16-1.2133_FC5smp |
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| 22:52.19 | wols | try etch perhaps when using debian |
| 22:52.19 | wols | with an etch kernel |
| 22:52.19 | clocker | wols, I've tried every manner of Debian variation and all have nothing to do with this modem... |
| 22:52.19 | clocker | for years! |
| 22:52.19 | clocker | heh |
| 22:52.19 | wols | then build your own kernel |
| 22:52.19 | wols | custom |
| 22:52.20 | clocker | But as I've said I've met others that have one working |
| 22:52.35 | clocker | OK, and do what that's important? |
| 22:52.43 | pickcoder | clocker: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29829 |
| 22:52.45 | clocker | or significant to the issue |
| 22:52.47 | pickcoder | gah |
| 22:52.52 | pickcoder | setserial /dev/ttyS2 port 0xd800 irq 16 uart 16550A |
| 22:52.57 | clocker | pickcoder, gracias |
| 22:52.59 | pickcoder | ignore the thread unless you want to read it |
| 22:53.09 | clocker | because? |
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| 22:53.17 | pickcoder | try running setserial on it |
| 22:53.33 | clocker | setserial never picks it up |
| 22:53.34 | pickcoder | if that doesn't work, read the rest of the thread.. :P |
| 22:53.41 | clocker | wvdialconf won't see a thing |
| 22:53.44 | pickcoder | ttyS2 is a valid port according to dmes |
| 22:53.45 | clocker | heh |
| 22:53.47 | clocker | OK |
| 22:53.47 | pickcoder | correct? |
| 22:53.50 | clocker | Yes |
| 22:53.57 | pickcoder | then setserial should set the params |
| 22:54.30 | clocker | I've tried... nada Can't get it to recognise |
| 22:56.05 | clocker | I'll have to get back to this... kids really really need pork chops apparently |
| 22:56.07 | clocker | heh |
| 22:56.20 | clocker | Thanks for the hand, I love hope! |
| 22:56.27 | clocker | bbl |
| 22:57.07 | pickcoder | I don't get it... if dmesg says ttyS2 is a UART, then setserial should work on it |
| 22:58.38 | chemisus | what should i do to configure a debian web server with a registered domain name? |
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| 22:59.55 | pickcoder | bb |
| 22:59.56 | pickcoder | bbl |
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| 23:02.03 | dan2 | abrotman: ahoy |
| 23:02.18 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:02.54 | mango | I want to start the xserver remotely on my machine running debian sarge. I am getting an error message when trying to run it as a normal user ( X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting....Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server) but when I run it as root I get a defferent error message AUDIT: Wed Sep 20 22:56:31 2006: 31290 X: client 4 rejected from local host. any help please. thank you |
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| 23:04.58 | abrotman | your hands and feet are mangoes .. but you're gonna be a genius anyway |
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| 23:05.38 | abrotman | argh .. packagers suck! |
| 23:06.14 | stoned | not as good as your mo.....ahem |
| 23:06.16 | stoned | :D |
| 23:06.26 | mango | does any one know how to start the xserver remotely please |
| 23:06.27 | abrotman | !suck stoned |
| 23:06.28 | stoned | sorry I couldn't help it, I heard it on superfly |
| 23:06.40 | abrotman | !tell mango about sshx |
| 23:06.53 | stoned | !mango |
| 23:07.01 | stoned | dpkg mango is delicious |
| 23:07.02 | dpkg | okay, stoned |
| 23:07.22 | mango | can't you start xserver from ssh or telnet? |
| 23:07.41 | stoned | umm yes you can, but it will only work locally not remotely |
| 23:08.03 | abrotman | http://freshmeat.net/projects/mangoquest/ |
| 23:08.05 | stoned | say I am on pc A, and I login to pc B, and I start xserver on pc B, it will only show up on monitor on pc B |
| 23:08.05 | abrotman | !tell mango about sshx |
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| 23:08.39 | stoned | however, if you log into pc B through -X while using ssh, you can start X applications on pc B, that will run on pc B, but will show up on pc A |
| 23:09.07 | Fluten | when doing a debian install with floppies, what format does the fs need to be on the disk which contains extra net drivers? |
| 23:09.31 | stoned | Fluten, you have no other alternative except floppies? |
| 23:09.45 | Fluten | stoned, its a 486 |
| 23:09.53 | stoned | Fluten, is there a OS on that system already, if so, what is it? |
| 23:10.04 | Fluten | stoned, dos and windows 3.1 |
| 23:10.17 | abrotman | Fluten: format them with vfat i think .. butit's going to overwrite anyways afaik |
| 23:10.17 | stoned | use grub for dos, boot the netinstall kernel/initrd with it |
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| 23:10.31 | Roey | hey abrotman, stoned |
| 23:10.36 | stoned | hi |
| 23:10.36 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:10.45 | abrotman | bobsey twins here |
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| 23:12.00 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:12.35 | Fluten | stoned, yes |
| 23:12.38 | stoned | word |
| 23:13.14 | mango | stoned: thanks man. One more question please. I know how to log into remotely using ssh, but can not understand how can i log into pc B through -X. I don not understand that. thanks |
| 23:13.36 | Fluten | stoned, im in a shell right now on the debian install and have a floppy with some network modules on it. i tried modprobe ./module.o, and it doesnt work |
| 23:13.56 | stoned | mango, to log into pc B, use ssh -X user@pcb |
| 23:13.59 | pipeline | Fluten: insmod, not modprobe. Modprobe works from a database of known modules |
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| 23:14.08 | stoned | mango, /msg dpkg sshx |
| 23:14.11 | abrotman | always use modprobe! |
| 23:14.28 | stoned | mango, enable X11Forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 23:14.49 | mango | stoned: thanks man |
| 23:15.24 | stoned | sure |
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| 23:15.50 | abrotman | the bot only told him three times :) |
| 23:15.55 | stoned | i know |
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| 23:16.13 | stoned | I would have lost my patience if I were in your place |
| 23:16.22 | quintin | hi2u frends!!! :)) |
| 23:16.26 | stoned | glad I only had to do it once |
| 23:16.29 | stoned | lol |
| 23:16.45 | quintin | Can someone recommend me a livecd that will boot up, start ssh, and let me install something? I have no keyboard or monitor to work with |
| 23:16.58 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 23:16.59 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 23:17.06 | stoned | mango, /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
| 23:17.20 | abrotman | quintin: there's some way to have the debian installer use ssh |
| 23:17.22 | quintin | uh, right ok smartass |
| 23:17.29 | abrotman | !ssh install |
| 23:17.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, ssh install is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-miscellaneous, or http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 23:17.30 | quintin | I said livecd |
| 23:17.35 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 23:17.35 | dpkg | [livecd] an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 23:17.42 | quintin | so obviously I can start from cdrom :P |
| 23:17.45 | quintin | and I have inet |
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| 23:17.52 | quintin | but just my portable.. I don't have monitor or keyboard |
| 23:17.59 | quintin | mmm thanks |
| 23:18.01 | abrotman | there's only one liveCD in debian |
| 23:18.23 | stoned | so you want to put a cd in there, and let the cd boot linux with ssh running, auto configured through dhcp, so you can login into it and work? |
| 23:18.35 | stoned | or do a debian install? |
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| 23:18.47 | stoned | as in, the debian installer |
| 23:18.59 | quintin | stoned: yes! |
| 23:19.05 | stoned | which one is it? |
| 23:19.05 | quintin | stoned: pref. debian on machine, but anything really |
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| 23:19.14 | abrotman | !seen liable |
| 23:19.14 | stoned | quintin, go with knoppix then |
| 23:19.14 | dpkg | liable <n=liable@pdpc/supporter/active/liable> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 13h 54m 56s ago, saying: 'Guerin: heh'. |
| 23:19.17 | abrotman | hrm |
| 23:19.18 | quintin | stoned: first . start with networking via dhcp and setup something like |
| 23:19.34 | quintin | stoned: mmmmm k. |
| 23:19.41 | SerajewelKS | quintin: a livecd with sshd and debootstrap will work |
| 23:20.02 | stoned | quintin, what exactly are you looking to do, install debian, or just have a live cd+ssh so you can do some work? |
| 23:20.06 | quintin | is sshd on debian install cd? |
| 23:20.12 | SerajewelKS | no |
| 23:20.16 | stoned | nevermind |
| 23:20.20 | stoned | I'm gonna go toke |
| 23:20.34 | Xenguy | stoned: ha - have fun :-) |
| 23:20.35 | quintin | stoned: essentially, I just need to be able to install nfs and samba on the box. so livecd + ssh. I also want to install debian, but that's not as important |
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| 23:20.45 | quintin | stoned: I just need to get at the other box's hard disk over the network |
| 23:20.51 | stoned | quintin, knoppix |
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| 23:21.00 | Fluten | what does an unresolved symbol error mean when loading modules with insmod? |
| 23:21.13 | stoned | you won't find a pure debian live cd like that, afaik |
| 23:21.13 | quintin | stoned: mmmm k thnx |
| 23:21.27 | quintin | I think my knoppix cds were damaged, have to get it again |
| 23:21.28 | stoned | I might be wrong though |
| 23:21.32 | quintin | take me about ten minutes :) |
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| 23:22.26 | stoned | which is the "esser"of two evils, knoppix or ubuntu? |
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| 23:22.36 | stoned | lesser* |
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| 23:22.42 | stoned | is that even a word |
| 23:22.54 | stoned | hey thingfish |
| 23:22.59 | thingfish | hey stoned |
| 23:23.02 | stoned | what up |
| 23:23.05 | Xenguy | .oO(evil is live spelled backwards) |
| 23:23.09 | thingfish | not a whole lot |
| 23:23.18 | wols | in this case: ubuntu I'd say: you can install it on hdds and get proper updates |
| 23:23.37 | yetifoot | Hi, my box running Debian Sarge just locked up, wouldn't respond to keypresses, or mouse, and had to be powered off. What is the likely causes? And what damage could it cause, should i be doing anything to check stuff out? |
| 23:23.37 | stoned | hmm, maybe |
| 23:23.51 | SerajewelKS | yetifoot: maybe X crash |
| 23:23.55 | stoned | everytime I move my tower back towards the wall, same thing happens |
| 23:24.00 | stoned | I don't know why |
| 23:24.08 | SerajewelKS | stoned: gremlins |
| 23:24.14 | dondelelcaro | yetifoot: pretty much any time the box locks up, it's a kernel bug; X bugs may also affect it |
| 23:24.21 | yetifoot | SerajewelKS, yes i'm running X, am i likely to have lost data? |
| 23:24.22 | stoned | I think its because the monitor wire presses up against the case and maybe moves my video card around |
| 23:24.37 | SerajewelKS | yetifoot: not if ext3 did its thing |
| 23:24.40 | spamhog | stoned: crash due to mouse pulled ??? |
| 23:24.48 | stoned | sometimes that happens too |
| 23:24.51 | spamhog | or kb |
| 23:24.54 | stoned | yup |
| 23:24.58 | stoned | rarely though |
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| 23:25.17 | spamhog | stoned: how do tou bind mouse? |
| 23:25.25 | stoned | huh? |
| 23:25.40 | spamhog | /dev/mice or /dev/... |
| 23:25.49 | stoned | /dev/input/mice |
| 23:25.53 | stoned | i tink |
| 23:25.56 | spamhog | I think one is more forgiving (everyone, is this the case???) |
| 23:26.07 | flamesro1k | guys, I'm having REAL trouble.. how do I hook this dlink wireless range extender to my linksys wireless router? |
| 23:26.49 | yetifoot | SerajewelKS, dondelcaro: thanks guys |
| 23:26.56 | TARZEAU | i'd use a cable |
| 23:27.18 | spamhog | flamesro1k: does extender have coac x input? |
| 23:27.23 | spamhog | coax |
| 23:27.35 | dondelelcaro | flamesro1k: you should just be able to plug it in, and use it as a repeater. |
| 23:27.36 | flamesro1k | nope |
| 23:27.45 | flamesro1k | yeah, that's what I want |
| 23:27.57 | spamhog | so wnat kind of wired interface does it have, if any? |
| 23:27.58 | flamesro1k | I mean I think it's a stronger signal than the linksys, so I want to use that to repeat |
| 23:28.01 | dondelelcaro | flamesro1k: you may have to configure it and specify that it act as a repeater, and configure the essid/channel that it's supposed to repeat |
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| 23:28.12 | flamesro1k | hmmm |
| 23:28.15 | dondelelcaro | flamesro1k: you don't stick the repeater near the linksyss; you put it somewhere else. |
| 23:28.29 | dondelelcaro | (where it can receive from the linksys and rebroadcast) |
| 23:28.38 | flamesro1k | but how do I make the dlink connect to the linksys? |
| 23:28.48 | flamesro1k | that's what I'm having trouble understanding |
| 23:29.06 | flamesro1k | it says "hook it up to the switch, then go to 192.168.0.1 in the browser' which I do |
| 23:29.10 | flamesro1k | but it times out.. |
| 23:29.13 | spamhog | stoned: did u try to restart just X? |
| 23:29.27 | stoned | spamhog, I have not rebooted in umm.. |
| 23:29.35 | spamhog | nooo, just X |
| 23:29.38 | stoned | 18:30:30 up 10 days, 4:26, 2 users, load average: 0.07, 0.26, 0.39 |
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| 23:29.50 | stoned | I don't restart x man, I got too much shit running |
| 23:29.56 | dondelelcaro | flamesro1k: that should all be covered in the dlink user manual |
| 23:30.03 | stoned | unless system crashes or I need to run a new kernel |
| 23:30.05 | dondelelcaro | flamesro1k: if you're having problems, they do have customer support |
| 23:30.26 | dondelelcaro | flamesro1k: http://support.dlink.com/default.asp?orig=1 |
| 23:30.30 | stoned | spamhog, you might have misunderstood, I don't have any issues here :) |
| 23:30.30 | spamhog | stoned: still have image or blank: |
| 23:30.33 | flamesro1k | ahh thanks dondelelcaro |
| 23:30.36 | flamesro1k | :) |
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| 23:31.36 | stoned | spamhog, to answer your question, no, since the key/mouse are both dead, while I have an image on screen, everything is frozen, I have to restart the machine |
| 23:32.01 | stoned | it happens rarely, btw, I'm on sid as well |
| 23:32.01 | spamhog | at'sa baad |
| 23:32.16 | abrotman | stoned: ssh in and reload the modules ? |
| 23:32.21 | spamhog | I'm on qaaludes |
| 23:32.30 | spamhog | :-( |
| 23:32.37 | abrotman | rough life |
| 23:32.49 | stoned | abrotman, I hadn't thought of that |
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| 23:33.06 | stoned | thats why you're the (abrot)MAN! |
| 23:33.06 | abrotman | stoned: lay off the drugs :) |
| 23:33.13 | stoned | lol |
| 23:33.27 | stoned | btw, this isn't drugs |
| 23:33.35 | stoned | this is like, really really strong tobacco |
| 23:33.38 | abrotman | the mouse is really broken ? |
| 23:33.43 | typewriter | whats the best way to get root mail forwarded to my mail server without running an stmpd on the server? |
| 23:34.00 | dondelelcaro | typewriter: you mean local messages to root? |
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| 23:34.07 | dondelelcaro | typewriter: if so, run nullmailer. |
| 23:34.21 | typewriter | i mean messages i get from logcheck, etc. |
| 23:34.31 | typewriter | samhain too |
| 23:34.46 | dondelelcaro | typewriter: yeah, those are local messages to root; nullmailer can forward those to an administrative account (and also get other messages off your system) |
| 23:35.03 | typewriter | isn't that the same as running postfix, exim, etc |
| 23:35.13 | dondelelcaro | no |
| 23:35.18 | stoned | !nullmailer |
| 23:35.18 | dpkg | nullmailer is, like, a minimal mta for hosts which just send directly to smart relays and is at http://em.ca/~bruceg/nullmailer/ |
| 23:35.25 | dondelelcaro | it doesn't receive mail; it just sends mail out. |
| 23:35.33 | typewriter | ok |
| 23:35.41 | typewriter | that is the only way? syslogd can't do it? |
| 23:35.59 | dondelelcaro | typewriter: it's the only sane way; it does it, and it does it well. |
| 23:36.58 | dan2 | does nullmailer work for smtps that require tls authentication? |
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| 23:37.04 | dondelelcaro | dan2: it can |
| 23:37.17 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: natively or with some sort of wrapper? |
| 23:37.27 | dondelelcaro | dan2: everything in it is done using wrappers |
| 23:37.38 | dan2 | I see |
| 23:38.04 | dan2 | heh |
| 23:38.07 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: kinky |
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| 23:38.21 | flamesro1k | dondelelcaro: here's the main problem, my main router is 192.168.1.1 and this dlink one is 192.168.0.* so how might I access 192.168.0.30 to set it up? |
| 23:38.27 | dondelelcaro | far more useful than trying to figure out how to get smtp working on some foreign network |
| 23:38.50 | dondelelcaro | flamesro1k: just plug it in directly to your machine, and set up an alias interface on 192.168.0.10 or similar. |
| 23:39.01 | flamesro1k | ahh cool thanks |
| 23:39.06 | dondelelcaro | flamesro1k: ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.0.10 netmask 255.255.255.0; would do it. |
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| 23:39.36 | flamesro1k | THANKYOU :D |
| 23:39.41 | flamesro1k | you probably saved me a few hours with that line |
| 23:39.58 | section31 | Any suggestions on which mail server I should install on my system? |
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| 23:40.18 | dondelelcaro | section31: nullmailer if you don't need to receive mail |
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| 23:40.28 | dondelelcaro | otherwise exim or postfix if you do |
| 23:41.41 | section31 | how do you pronounce exim |
| 23:41.42 | surrounder | e-xim |
| 23:41.43 | surrounder | \o/ |
| 23:41.52 | dondelelcaro | XM, basically. |
| 23:42.05 | section31 | ah |
| 23:42.06 | section31 | gotcah |
| 23:42.16 | thingfish | x m |
| 23:42.28 | lurker99 | 'x' 'im' |
| 23:42.51 | abrotman | phaedrus44: can i get a lobster now? |
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| 23:43.12 | lurker99 | or maybe 'exi' 'im' |
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| 23:44.01 | dondelelcaro | yeah |
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| 23:45.55 | Elo | _o/ I'm having issues getting my radeon 9250 to work. It worked fine right after I upgraded my kernel but it was a little laggy with the generic module and I thought there was a way I could get it to run a little more smoothly, all said and done I fucked it up and X won't load now. -.-;; |
| 23:46.20 | typewriter | is there a way to purge all old packages that have been removed? |
| 23:46.36 | typewriter | without doing it one by or looking them all up |
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| 23:49.12 | Elo | Ok, I fixed the X problem and got back my original config. But is there a way I can make it less laggy? |
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| 23:50.58 | shawn | is there a python 2.5 dapper package anywhere? |
| 23:50.58 | abrotman | Elo: i fixed it! |
| 23:51.03 | abrotman | shawn: ask #ubuntu |
| 23:51.12 | shawn | oops. sorry |
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| 23:51.51 | Elo | abrotman: hmm? |
| 23:51.54 | abrotman | Elo: it's laggy .. how ? |
| 23:52.05 | Fluten | if i install debian on a recent machine with a 120MB drive for /boot and a 4GB drive for root, can i move the 2 drives into a 486 and expect it to boot? |
| 23:52.07 | Elo | Maybe it's just my older version of gnome, let me upgrade and get back to you. |
| 23:52.13 | abrotman | again? |
| 23:52.14 | abrotman | stop doing that |
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| 23:52.41 | Elo | Again what? |
| 23:52.45 | abrotman | Fluten: as long as they don't get picked up as /dev/hda |
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| 23:52.54 | abrotman | Elo: stop compiling stuff for no reason :) |
| 23:53.18 | Elo | haha |
| 23:53.43 | abrotman | Elo: how is it laggy? |
| 23:54.03 | Elo | kinda slow, makes me cry and want to run fluxbox, but I would rather run gnome. |
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| 23:54.47 | surrounder | fvwm <3 |
| 23:54.50 | surrounder | </fanboy> |
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| 23:55.07 | abrotman | bah .. it's so 90s :) |
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| 23:55.12 | amphi | Elo: xfce is ligyter and desktoppish |
| 23:55.28 | phaedrus44 | can linux users write to ntfs or fat32? |
| 23:55.36 | Elo | phaedrus44: yes |
| 23:55.38 | surrounder | fvwm is whatever you make out if amphi abrotman ;) |
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| 23:55.44 | typewriter | do you all run logcheck? |
| 23:55.45 | phaedrus44 | elo..which both? |
| 23:55.58 | Elo | phaedrus44: fat32 for sure, I think ntfs with modules. |
| 23:56.03 | Elo | abrotman: I ran: apt-get install gnome-desktop and upgraded... but it's still 2.8.3 |
| 23:56.09 | abrotman | typewriter: i take it to the doctor instead |
| 23:56.14 | phaedrus44 | what is the command to tell if fat32 or ntfs? |
| 23:56.17 | abrotman | Elo: yes .. that's what version is in sarge |
| 23:56.26 | abrotman | tell what? |
| 23:56.46 | phaedrus44 | tell which it is? fat32 or ntfs |
| 23:57.06 | stoned | desktoppish |
| 23:57.08 | Elo | abrotman: how can I upgrade to 2.16 ? |
| 23:57.10 | stoned | man, what a word man |
| 23:57.12 | stoned | word |
| 23:57.14 | abrotman | Elo: why?! |
| 23:57.17 | amphi | stoned: heh |
| 23:57.18 | stoned | lol |
| 23:57.20 | abrotman | !sns syndrome |
| 23:57.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 23:57.24 | stoned | you're a trip man |
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| 23:57.33 | Elo | abrotman: wouldn't it be faster and have more features? |
| 23:57.38 | abrotman | !sns syndrome |
| 23:57.39 | dpkg | it has been said that sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 23:57.39 | surrounder | lol @ sns syndrome |
| 23:57.51 | abrotman | Elo: newer != better |
| 23:58.01 | amphi | stoned: 'desktoply' would be better? |
| 23:58.02 | Elo | abrotman: but may be faster? |
| 23:58.08 | abrotman | Elo: what hardware are you on ? |
| 23:58.11 | stoned | NP: Method Man -|- 4:21... The Day After -|- " Dirty Mef (Feat. O.D.B.) " -|- (Rap) -|- (rating: 0/0) |
| 23:58.14 | stoned | wtf |
| 23:58.16 | surrounder | indeed, no WM/DE hasn't caught up with fvwm yet... |
| 23:58.19 | stoned | that wasn't me |
| 23:58.20 | jelly-home | Elo: riight. |
| 23:58.21 | abrotman | i'd rate it 0 too |
| 23:58.26 | stoned | desktoppish is much better |
| 23:58.42 | jelly-home | fvwm1 ftw! |
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| 23:58.46 | surrounder | jelly-home: \o/ |
| 23:58.48 | stoned | pekwm |
| 23:58.52 | marquedios | whats a good apt repo (one that one break with the etch base repos) for software like: dvd::rip, dvdstyler and anything else not so legal? I've been googling for hours and can't find a good leed |
| 23:58.53 | surrounder | uh pekwm is nice too |
| 23:58.54 | surrounder | and openbox |
| 23:58.57 | jelly-home | ratpoison :-) |
| 23:59.00 | stoned | ratpoison why don't ya |
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| 23:59.01 | stoned | jinx |
| 23:59.04 | jelly-home | heh |
| 23:59.21 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 23:59.21 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 23:59.34 | jelly-home | stoned: I won't hit you back since it looks you were already stoned. |
| 23:59.42 | stoned | asshole |
| 23:59.43 | stoned | :( |
| 23:59.54 | stoned | I'm strong too |
