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| 00:00.17 | stoned | dude I'm 25 fucking years old |
| 00:00.18 | azeem | guys, get a room |
| 00:00.23 | stoned | I'm not down with the spanking |
| 00:00.28 | stoned | yeah, what he said |
| 00:00.45 | surrounder | when's the wedding ? |
| 00:01.03 | Elo | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/178098 |
| 00:01.07 | Elo | system spescs |
| 00:01.09 | Elo | specs* |
| 00:01.23 | abrotman | someone fix the pastebins |
| 00:01.56 | abrotman | Elo: i'd inspect the issue instead of just blindly upgrading |
| 00:02.26 | Elo | The box seems fine, just X is a little slow running gnome. |
| 00:02.41 | stoned | !gnome |
| 00:02.41 | dpkg | well, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 00:03.00 | stoned | hmm, surprisingly, factoid is void of gnome/bashing |
| 00:03.05 | abrotman | why does linux-image-2.6-686 in etch not depend on 2.6.17? |
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| 00:03.08 | stoned | that was supposed to be a space |
| 00:03.25 | abrotman | so is the kde one |
| 00:03.32 | Elo | abrotman: suggestion for getting a little faster? |
| 00:03.36 | marquedios | !install dvdstyler |
| 00:03.43 | abrotman | Elo: get out and push |
| 00:03.49 | Elo | hehe |
| 00:03.57 | abrotman | Elo: how slow is it? |
| 00:04.08 | Kerr | !icewm |
| 00:04.08 | dpkg | icewm is a nice, simple, themeable and kick-ass wm....the icewm homepage is at http://icewm.sourceforge.net |
| 00:04.13 | Kerr | <3 ice |
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| 00:04.26 | Elo | it just seems slow... i don't know how to describe it. |
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| 00:06.42 | Fluten | how do i get "Bad archive mirror" to go away? |
| 00:06.52 | Fluten | does this mean my boot floppies are outdated? |
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| 00:08.14 | Miesco | How would I write to a CD without cdrecord? |
| 00:08.24 | Elo | o.0 |
| 00:08.27 | amphi | cdrdao? ;) |
| 00:08.34 | Miesco | A data CD |
| 00:09.28 | Miesco | wait, it does do data, thanks! |
| 00:10.05 | Miesco | Can you write a iso to a CD with cdrao?????? |
| 00:10.20 | Miesco | cdrdao* |
| 00:10.34 | RichiH | Fluten: floppies! |
| 00:10.38 | Elo | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/273 |
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| 00:10.43 | RichiH | use an usb stick, if possible |
| 00:10.43 | Elo | that's for you Miesco |
| 00:10.49 | zinx | Miesco: yes |
| 00:11.19 | Miesco | RichiH: Not possible |
| 00:11.19 | stoned | who runs apt? |
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| 00:12.13 | Miesco | Elo: I cant use cdrecord |
| 00:12.27 | Elo | ahh |
| 00:12.29 | typewriter | stupid question, if i use mail to send mail |
| 00:12.29 | Elo | Sorry |
| 00:12.33 | typewriter | how do i end the mail and send it |
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| 00:12.43 | bronze_|| | "." |
| 00:12.45 | abrotman | either a blank line .. just a . or a ctrl-d |
| 00:12.47 | stoned | well, whoever it is, sync apt with dpkg |
| 00:12.50 | bronze_|| | then "entr" |
| 00:12.53 | stoned | maybe? |
| 00:12.54 | stoned | possibly? |
| 00:13.29 | abrotman | stoned: apt used to be the bot .. he's long out of sync .. dpkg is the system of record now |
| 00:14.20 | abrotman | and i'm not even sure Tim runs apt anymore |
| 00:14.27 | Miesco | Is there any way to write a ISO to a CD without cdrecord? I have to make 3 CD's so I can format |
| 00:14.33 | RichiH | abrotman: he does not iirc |
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| 00:14.44 | jelly-home | Miesco: you'll have to create a toc file. Put in it something like the first simple example toc from the man page, but replace TRACK AUDIO with TRACK MODE1 |
| 00:14.51 | abrotman | RichiH: but noone knows who does run apt anymore :) |
| 00:14.53 | stoned | abrotman, just a thought |
| 00:14.54 | multi_io | hm, can anyone confirm that sun-java5-plugin does not work with firefox (i.e. websites with Java crash)? |
| 00:15.05 | Miesco | jelly-home: K |
| 00:15.12 | jelly-home | Miesco: I _haven't_ tried this, but something like that should work. |
| 00:15.37 | Miesco | jelly-home: Whats the man file called |
| 00:15.47 | jelly-home | Miesco: man cdrdao |
| 00:16.08 | RichiH | apt: who owns you |
| 00:16.10 | apt | TimRiker does |
| 00:16.17 | RichiH | i doubt that |
| 00:16.49 | abrotman | see |
| 00:17.11 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: do you know who runs apt now ? |
| 00:17.35 | abrotman | i think i remember him being in here once .. but don't remember the nick |
| 00:17.41 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: TimRiker iirc |
| 00:17.50 | abrotman | eh .. i think he stopped |
| 00:17.58 | dondelelcaro | oh... then I have no idea |
| 00:17.59 | Miesco | jelly-home: THis is the first example: cdrdao scanbus |
| 00:18.16 | stoned | hehe, unkown bot owner |
| 00:18.17 | dondelelcaro | it still says that apt belongs to him |
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| 00:18.26 | stoned | but what is unknown, sure everyone is known to someone |
| 00:18.31 | abrotman | yeha .. i know .. but i seem to remember someone else saying that they took control of him |
| 00:18.49 | jelly-home | Miesco: look for TOC examples, they begin with with CD_DA |
| 00:18.50 | dondelelcaro | hrm... could be; but if they have, they haven't done a very good job of switching over |
| 00:19.08 | Fluten | stoned, might you know what causes a "Bad archive mirror" error? |
| 00:19.13 | Miesco | jelly-home: Okay |
| 00:19.26 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: no arguments from me :) |
| 00:20.07 | jpin | is python byte-compile portable?? |
| 00:20.16 | jelly-home | Miesco: or use first three lines of "Mixed mode CD..." example, same thing |
| 00:20.26 | abrotman | jpin: ask #python |
| 00:20.57 | jpin | abrotman: yes.. my mistake, altought nobody seems to know there ... |
| 00:21.20 | abrotman | really? |
| 00:21.41 | Miesco | jelly-home: SO then I would do: cdrdao write file.toc? |
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| 00:23.07 | jelly-home | Miesco: yep. I'd do it first on a cdrw and check if it's ok. ;-) |
| 00:25.17 | jelly-home | Miesco: according to manual the type of the disc should be CD_ROM, and not CD_DA. |
| 00:26.09 | Miesco | jelly-home: What do I put for --device? |
| 00:26.57 | Elo | ga, does gnome not minimize windows to the taskbar by default? |
| 00:27.12 | abrotman | depends on your WM |
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| 00:27.19 | abrotman | mine does .. but i run sawfish |
| 00:27.30 | abrotman | at least .. i think it does |
| 00:27.40 | Elo | I thought gnome was the WM. |
| 00:27.46 | abrotman | no |
| 00:27.52 | abrotman | gnome is a DE |
| 00:27.53 | Elo | Gnome is the X manager? |
| 00:27.55 | abrotman | no |
| 00:27.56 | Elo | ooo |
| 00:27.57 | Elo | I see. |
| 00:28.00 | abrotman | do you? |
| 00:29.12 | jelly-home | Miesco: I don't remember. Maybe do "cdrdao scanbus" then use whatever it reports, something like 1,0,0 maybe? I think it should work as-is if you only have one cdrom/burner device. |
| 00:29.39 | ahlfors | does anyone have a firm definition of DE by the way? Something other than "everything KDE and Gnome have in common" |
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| 00:30.14 | jelly-home | ahlfors: Surely you mean everything KDE and Gnome have stolen from CDE and Windows. |
| 00:30.30 | Elo | abrotman: aye, I do. |
| 00:30.42 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 00:30.58 | ahlfors | jelly-home, surely you are a flame-baitin' troll who needn't ask me that |
| 00:31.17 | Miesco | jelly-home: IF my filesystem is screwed up and I cant use any modules or devices and I need to backup 3 iso files, what should I do? |
| 00:31.25 | Elo | So, how can I figure out what WM I'm using? |
| 00:31.37 | abrotman | probably metacity |
| 00:31.42 | jelly-home | Miesco: is the machine networked? |
| 00:31.46 | Elo | ahhh, I see |
| 00:31.47 | abrotman | what does it do when you minimize a window ? |
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| 00:32.01 | Miesco | jelly-home: Yea, but I think I need a module for the ethernet card |
| 00:32.22 | Elo | disappears and I can alt-tab to get it back or go down to the bottom right, click an icon and see all the minimized windows. |
| 00:32.37 | abrotman | you didn't add it to the panel |
| 00:32.46 | abrotman | you need to add the task bar thingie to the bottom bar |
| 00:32.50 | jelly-home | Miesco: can you shut it down, out the disk into another machine, mount read-only and copy the data? |
| 00:32.58 | jelly-home | s/out/put/ |
| 00:33.15 | Miesco | jelly-home: Good idea |
| 00:33.40 | Elo | abrotman: ta! |
| 00:33.54 | Miesco | jelly-home: I'll go get a screwdriver and get on that |
| 00:34.05 | Elo | Window List |
| 00:34.17 | jelly-home | Miesco: if you think the filesystem is really screwed up, you might want to dd the whole partition instead of mounting the original. |
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| 00:40.37 | jelly-home | ahlfors: What does a DE consist of? It has a common API to create graphic apps with consistent UI. It has a way to manage multiple apps on the viewscreen (a window manager, if you wish). it's not just KDE and Gnome, you can also add Windows 3.x to the list. |
| 00:41.02 | dlynch | I need help joining my box to a win2k3 domain and get this error: net_rpc_join_ok: failed to get schannel session key from server server.domain.local for domain domain. Error was NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 00:41.12 | dlynch | but I have client schannel = no set in smb.conf |
| 00:43.01 | ahlfors | jelly-home, so it consists of a GUI toolkit and a window manager? Nobody calls athena + twm a DE, though. |
| 00:43.44 | jelly-home | ahlfors: oops, I pressed enter too early. free DEs for X also have extended X with some inter-process communication (required for app. embedding and drag and drop), an accompanying login app (xdm replacement) which I think is entirely optional, but both k. and g. have it, [cont] |
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| 00:44.59 | jelly-home | ahlfors: and few more protocols stolen from commercial desktop based OS. systray, the desktop object, those kinds of things. |
| 00:45.44 | ahlfors | jelly-home, wtf is your problem with noncommercial software? Actually, I don't want to know, but maybe debian isn't the place for it |
| 00:46.38 | jelly-home | ahlfors: ? I use noncomm. software daily, don't get your point. |
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| 00:47.30 | ahlfors | jelly-home, you keep talking about things "stolen" from commercial software, it sounds like you have it in for noncomm |
| 00:48.02 | JordiGH | Ooh, ooh, a flame. Let me figure out which side of it I want to join... |
| 00:48.37 | ahlfors | I'm not part of any flame! |
| 00:49.00 | JordiGH | !begin a flame war |
| 00:49.05 | jelly-home | ahlfors: oh, maybe I should have rephrased it, I only meant it to point the origin of some of those ideas. |
| 00:49.12 | JordiGH | I guess dpkg needs something more specific than that.. |
| 00:49.16 | mfrisch | Is there a gui that will create udf files for burning. I want to put a 4.2 G file on a filesystem to send to someone, k3b will only let me make 4 g files |
| 00:51.32 | JordiGH | Ideas aren't stolen, only adapted. Etc. |
| 00:52.40 | ahlfors | or embraced and extended |
| 00:53.04 | jelly-home | JordiGH: well, I haven't seen anything like systray happen on unix until it was introduced in win95. |
| 00:53.08 | amphi | or consigned to well-deserved oblivion |
| 00:53.30 | JordiGH | jelly-home: No doubt. Though iconified virtual desktops come close sometimes. |
| 00:54.20 | jelly-home | Yeah, wonder when windows will finally clone decent virtual desktops. ;-) |
| 00:54.53 | abrotman | jelly-home: it already hsa them |
| 00:55.08 | JordiGH | abrotman: With external apps, right? |
| 00:55.09 | jelly-home | abrotman: oh? With 3rd party apps? |
| 00:55.29 | abrotman | jelly-home: no .. i think it's free |
| 00:55.37 | Xenguy | the point is simply to create an alternative that is freely distributable |
| 00:55.44 | Xenguy | period |
| 00:56.06 | abrotman | jelly-home: JordiGH http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx |
| 00:56.29 | JordiGH | abrotman: I'm not following that link, but I'll take your word for it. |
| 00:56.41 | abrotman | JordiGH: stop being a wussy |
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| 00:56.59 | JordiGH | Is it gonna complain about my Firefox not begin IE-compatible? |
| 00:57.03 | abrotman | i used opera |
| 00:57.08 | magyar | hi, is there a defense mechanism in proftpd for port knocking to a proftpd server? |
| 00:57.17 | jelly-home | Xenguy: yeah, but sometimes it looks like Gnome (and KDE more than Gnome) just wait for somebody else to implement an idea first, then copy it. |
| 00:57.42 | Xorm | har |
| 00:57.48 | JordiGH | what's mspx? |
| 00:57.52 | Xorm | MS tacticians working for KDE? |
| 00:58.05 | Xorm | Maybe that's just part of development |
| 00:58.19 | abrotman | jelly-home: why would you need a systray in unix ? |
| 00:58.43 | JordiGH | ps agux is already a good systray. |
| 00:58.52 | jelly-home | abrotman: I don't know, but I see opera and Amarok putting their tiny icons into it when they're started. |
| 00:59.02 | abrotman | jelly-home: in gnome? |
| 00:59.07 | jelly-home | abrotman: xfce |
| 00:59.19 | abrotman | gnome has a systray .. damog made me test it .. it's still there .. but .. it's kind of silly |
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| 00:59.26 | abrotman | the gaim one especially |
| 00:59.44 | JordiGH | Wow. You know damog. That's how I just found #debian-mx |
| 00:59.48 | JordiGH | Talk about simultaneity. |
| 01:00.03 | abrotman | JordiGH: do a /me gives damog a McFlurry |
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| 01:00.16 | abrotman | oh .. he's not online |
| 01:00.22 | abrotman | not in here .. in #debian-mmx |
| 01:00.25 | JordiGH | Awww... what happens when I do that? |
| 01:00.28 | abrotman | he's not online |
| 01:00.33 | abrotman | it doens't matter |
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| 01:01.05 | JordiGH | I hate missing out on jokes. |
| 01:01.47 | jelly-home | I can't even find that channel, not here or on oftc |
| 01:01.57 | JordiGH | Eh? It's on oftc. I'm on it. |
| 01:02.34 | jelly-home | Hm, xchat didn't find any channel names matching mmx |
| 01:02.34 | JordiGH | abrotman: damog is stepping away from Debian for a while. Talk about bad timing finding him. :-/ |
| 01:02.53 | abrotman | JordiGH: he hates you |
| 01:03.26 | abrotman | JordiGH: it happens .. he's had a lot of transitions lately .. it's tiring |
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| 01:04.45 | JordiGH | abrotman: This whole Singular packaging thing is getting me pretty excited. The intrigue, the romance, the adventure... especially right now with getting the right license for it. |
| 01:04.52 | zoid | anyone have any clue wht k3b would've stop a little while back writing cd-text to audio cd's for me? |
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| 01:05.00 | abrotman | JordiGH: singular package? |
| 01:05.08 | dvs | JordiGH: It's Cingular! |
| 01:05.08 | JordiGH | abrotman: Uh, one sec... |
| 01:05.10 | zoid | it happend about a month ago and i've still yet to figure out what changed/happend! |
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| 01:05.55 | JordiGH | http://bugs.debian.org/383515 |
| 01:06.17 | JordiGH | It's a big package, but I want to learn. My next eventual goal is LiDIA. |
| 01:06.50 | ahlfors | ASTRONAUTE, were you the one who was asking about a risky partition resizig last night? |
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| 01:07.20 | rremer | I am getting an error trying to start X "Fatal server error: no screens found" My /etc/X11/XFree86-Config4 file has a screen section in it. Before the failure, i get the following errors: No core pointer device specified (it is, but one thing at a time), Unable to determine screen layout, and Error from xf86HandleConfigFile() Anyone know what might be going on? |
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| 01:08.40 | JordiGH | dvs: what's cingular? |
| 01:08.42 | JordiGH | !info cingular |
| 01:08.46 | dvs | rremer: If you are using the right video driver, then it usually means that the monitor frequencies are wrong |
| 01:08.58 | dvs | JordiGH: A cell phone company in the US |
| 01:09.10 | abrotman | !prize dvs |
| 01:09.14 | ahlfors | rremer, did you change your XF86 config file recently? |
| 01:09.19 | JordiGH | dvs: Oh. No, that's not Singular at all. :-) |
| 01:09.21 | dvs | A stupid medal! Damn! |
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| 01:09.23 | rremer | I havent had it working yet |
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| 01:10.25 | dvs | !drxx rremer |
| 01:10.25 | dpkg | rremer: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:10.52 | rremer | I'm trying to setup X on a laptop with 1280x800 LCD that does not report that. I'm following a tutorial for my laptop model, and in there he calculates the frequency from info he gets from the log file. I'm not getting the same info though |
| 01:11.10 | magyar | does anyone know if hosts.deny takes subnets ? |
| 01:11.15 | dvs | rremer: What laptop? |
| 01:11.21 | rremer | I tried using the Modeline he specified, but it didn't work for me. Dell 700m |
| 01:11.41 | abrotman | magyar: i believe it does |
| 01:12.00 | magyar | abrotman: i need facts :) |
| 01:12.10 | abrotman | so read hte man page |
| 01:12.25 | JordiGH | This is a fun thread. It's not often that we are called upon collectively to defend our favourite piece of software. To arms! To battle! http://www.cae.wisc.edu/pipermail/help-octave/2006-September/001592.html |
| 01:12.53 | dvs | rremer: HorizSync: 31.5 - 79.0 VertRefresh: 50-100 |
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| 01:14.04 | rremer | dvs: under the Monitor section, right? Not the Screen section? |
| 01:14.11 | JordiGH | Later d00dz. |
| 01:14.17 | dvs | rremer: yup |
| 01:15.04 | rremer | dvs: same results |
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| 01:15.34 | magyar | abrotman: "An expression of the form `n.n.n.n/mm' is interpreted as a `net/masklength' pair" it does alright |
| 01:15.41 | abrotman | see! |
| 01:15.52 | rremer | I'm not sure exactly what it does, but in following the tutorial, I installed and configured the 855resolution program which is supposed to expose the proper resolution or something somehow. |
| 01:16.07 | magyar | o yeah |
| 01:16.17 | dvs | rremer: What does the log say? |
| 01:16.19 | Wyzard | rremer: That functionality is built into xorg these days... I don't think you need 855resolution |
| 01:16.34 | magyar | if i only could stop china on hacking my ftp server |
| 01:16.48 | rremer | Wyzard I'm trying to use xfree86, make a difference? |
| 01:16.49 | abrotman | stop using ftp |
| 01:16.54 | magyar | i'll be blocking subnets till the cows come home |
| 01:17.01 | Wyzard | rremer: I don't know whether it's in xfree86 |
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| 01:17.11 | abrotman | iirc .. china has a class A |
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| 01:17.52 | astronaute | ahlfors |
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| 01:18.07 | abrotman | astronaute: what are you looking for? |
| 01:18.09 | astronaute | ahlfors : yes it was me for parted |
| 01:18.14 | rremer | dvs: what I originally posted: "Fatal server error: no screens found" My /etc/X11/XFree86-Config4 file has a screen section in it. Before the failure, i get the following errors: No core pointer device specified (it is, but one thing at a time), Unable to determine screen layout, and Error from xf86HandleConfigFile() |
| 01:18.26 | ahlfors | astronaute, did you fry your disk or what? |
| 01:18.27 | magyar | abrotman: 220. 211 . 218. |
| 01:18.33 | abrotman | close enough! |
| 01:18.42 | abrotman | rremer: modprobe mousedev .. try again |
| 01:18.52 | astronaute | ahlfors : not yet, as its very risky |
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| 01:19.14 | ahlfors | astronaute, okay then I have time to tell you again: don't do it! |
| 01:19.16 | astronaute | ahlfors : and i have to unmount drives so i dont even know if i can do it in shell |
| 01:19.23 | astronaute | oh |
| 01:19.32 | magyar | abrotman: how can i find chinas ip block? |
| 01:19.40 | magyar | blocks? |
| 01:20.01 | abrotman | magyar: no idea .. arin.etn maybe |
| 01:20.02 | rremer | abrotman: Tried that, it reported mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice. No change when starting X |
| 01:20.05 | abrotman | arin.net |
| 01:20.11 | astronaute | ahlfors : so its not possible ? |
| 01:20.12 | abrotman | rremer: what device is X using ? |
| 01:20.13 | magyar | k |
| 01:20.35 | rremer | abrotman: mouse? /dev/psaux I believe |
| 01:20.45 | abrotman | use mousedev and /dev/input/mice |
| 01:20.45 | ahlfors | ahlfors, might be but really it is so risky. Just friendly advice. |
| 01:21.26 | astronaute | ahlfors : yes i see, thank you =) i will wait and ask my provider to do it if its safer for them |
| 01:21.58 | dvs | rremer: What kernel do you have? |
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| 01:22.19 | rremer | abrotman: not sure I follow, during x configuration, you mean? |
| 01:22.19 | Fluten | i am in the console of the debian installer, and i cannot find /dev/hda anywhere. could it be that debian didnt recognize any disks? |
| 01:22.19 | Fluten | or is it named something different? |
| 01:22.48 | abrotman | yes |
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| 01:22.55 | abrotman | Fluten: sata? |
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| 01:23.08 | rremer | dvs: 2.4.27-3-386, should I upgrade? |
| 01:23.11 | Fluten | abrotman, its on the 486 im installing to |
| 01:23.25 | Roey | oh jesus |
| 01:23.32 | Roey | what are you installing on a 486? |
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| 01:23.43 | Fluten | debian |
| 01:23.51 | abrotman | Roey: i have a 486 with debian |
| 01:23.51 | dvs | rremer: I would if you recently installed Debian |
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| 01:23.59 | Roey | abrotman: you're cray |
| 01:24.01 | Roey | crazy |
| 01:24.06 | abrotman | Roey: no ... i'm bored :) |
| 01:24.09 | Roey | =) |
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| 01:24.16 | Roey | your router must be misconfigured. |
| 01:24.18 | abrotman | Roey: got bored one day .. put debian on it |
| 01:24.25 | Roey | well, how does it run? |
| 01:24.29 | abrotman | Roey: got bored another day .. bought a mac .. things happen |
| 01:24.32 | Roey | and which kernel? |
| 01:24.35 | Roey | ah ok |
| 01:24.44 | abrotman | it's running .. 2.6 sarge i think |
| 01:24.45 | Roey | does Linux work on a Mac? |
| 01:24.54 | Roey | abrotman: how much ram's it got, that 486? |
| 01:25.20 | abrotman | 36MB |
| 01:25.22 | rremer | dvs: there's a way to do that through apt now isn't there? |
| 01:25.39 | abrotman | Roey: yep .. the mac runs linux .. and it works on my TV ... kind of |
| 01:25.40 | Fluten | abrotman, how is debian installed with under 22MB of memory? |
| 01:25.48 | abrotman | Fluten: install woody and upgrde :) |
| 01:25.49 | dvs | rremer: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 01:25.57 | abrotman | or -686 |
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| 01:26.20 | astronaute | or 286 |
| 01:26.23 | astronaute | ^^ |
| 01:26.27 | dvs | or -cray |
| 01:26.28 | dvs | ;-) |
| 01:26.34 | dan2 | abrotman: yo yo yo |
| 01:26.37 | zu22 | i'm back online with debian woo! |
| 01:26.39 | Fluten | abrotman, woody work with 12MB of memory? |
| 01:26.51 | abrotman | i think so |
| 01:26.54 | abrotman | dan2: hi |
| 01:27.07 | abrotman | !tekk astronaute about elks |
| 01:27.17 | abrotman | !tell astronaute about elks |
| 01:27.18 | dan2 | abrotman: http://www.cmsmadesimple.org/pastebin/337 |
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| 01:27.40 | Fluten | ha, i got further in the install on the 486 than a more recent athlon computer i have that has a really cheap biostar motherboard |
| 01:27.51 | abrotman | sicko |
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| 01:28.39 | zu22 | i want to install debian on my old 8088 XT haha! is it possible? |
| 01:28.48 | dvs | zu22: ummm..... no |
| 01:28.50 | Nexus | Is there anywhere but the official debian website to get the latest etch? |
| 01:29.02 | dvs | !weekly build |
| 01:29.08 | zu22 | dvs: doh :) maybe one of those damn small linux distros can fit on there eh? |
| 01:29.25 | dvs | zu22: still wouldn't work |
| 01:29.28 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 01:29.28 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 01:29.46 | rremer | dvs: I missed it during startup, how can I verify that I'm running 2.6? |
| 01:29.53 | dvs | rremer: uname -r |
| 01:30.01 | zu22 | dvs: oh well i guess it will have to keep running DOS |
| 01:30.31 | Nexus | abrotman, That's what I was afraid of. My 5Mbps pipe is pulling it down at 16KBps... |
| 01:30.40 | Nexus | I'm trying to find a mirror or somewhere else to pull it from. |
| 01:30.47 | abrotman | Nexus: no BT files ? |
| 01:30.54 | abrotman | Nexus: use the netinst |
| 01:31.27 | zu22 | Nexus: 5Mb/s wow you get no sympathy from me i'm on 40Kb/s dialup lol! |
| 01:31.30 | Nexus | I'm downloading the netinst. And I don't see a bittorrent for it on the page. |
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| 01:31.37 | Mr_arda | hi |
| 01:31.47 | Mr_arda | does anyone use gmail ? |
| 01:31.52 | abrotman | !anyone use |
| 01:31.53 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:32.02 | Mr_arda | i can't have folders, so can i view only messages that have a certain label ? |
| 01:32.03 | Nexus | abrotman, Nevermind.. There is the bittorrent. :) |
| 01:32.04 | zu22 | Mr_arda: yeah |
| 01:32.11 | abrotman | Nexus: thought so |
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| 01:32.17 | abrotman | Mr_arda: how is this related to debian ? |
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| 01:32.38 | Mr_arda | abrotman : it's not. just tolerate it :) |
| 01:32.45 | zu22 | the entry for <alsa for morons> is not returning anything from dpkg blootbot |
| 01:32.48 | abrotman | Mr_arda: how about you try #gmail ? |
| 01:32.58 | abrotman | !tell zu22 about alsa one-liner |
| 01:32.59 | zu22 | Mr_arda: try #gmail |
| 01:33.06 | Mr_arda | no one there |
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| 01:33.14 | abrotman | oh well ... it's not related to debian |
| 01:33.18 | zu22 | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:33.28 | Mr_arda | abrotman : why do u act like a cop ? |
| 01:33.38 | rremer | dvs: running 2.6.8-3-386. Still no luck on X. |
| 01:33.39 | abrotman | !tell Mr_arda about u |
| 01:33.56 | abrotman | Mr_arda: this channel is to support Debian |
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| 01:34.11 | Mr_arda | abrotman : ok but don't be a cop |
| 01:34.24 | rremer | Is there a Deb package for xorg? Is there a reason not to use it over xfree86? |
| 01:34.26 | abrotman | Mr_arda: please go away |
| 01:34.33 | abrotman | rremer: yes .. there is a backport |
| 01:34.50 | Mr_arda | abrotman : c'mon baby don't cry |
| 01:34.56 | abrotman | !tell jerware about root |
| 01:34.59 | abrotman | Mr_arda: stop being an ass |
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| 01:35.18 | amphi | Mr_arda: if you'd just asked your question, someone might have answered it |
| 01:35.21 | Mr_arda | how much does debian cost ? |
| 01:35.24 | abrotman | Mr_arda: the question you're asking has absolutely nothing to do with Debian |
| 01:35.32 | Grackle | More than you can afford. Get out, now. |
| 01:35.58 | Mr_arda | what's debian anyway |
| 01:36.06 | Mr_arda | oh well |
| 01:36.29 | zu22 | Mr_arda: We are the Debian cops. "You have a right to Linux, you have a right to ask intelligent questions, if you cannot run Linux a Windows OS will be supplied to you for some absurd amount of money. If you do not understand these rights we cannot help you." |
| 01:36.56 | abrotman | Mr_arda: this channel is to support Debian. Your question has nothing to do with Debian. Please move along. |
| 01:37.17 | Mr_arda | ok so debian is an OS. how much is it |
| 01:37.29 | abrotman | !tell Mr_arda about debian |
| 01:37.30 | zamolxes | Mr_arda: priceless! |
| 01:37.41 | dlynch | I need help joining my box to a win2k3 domain and get this error: net_rpc_join_ok: failed to get schannel session key from server server.domain.local for domain domain. Error was NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 01:37.54 | jvdm | Mr_arda, www.debian.org |
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| 01:38.05 | streuner | Don't feed |
| 01:38.16 | Mr_arda | did stallman join debian as a developper ? |
| 01:38.21 | abrotman | dlynch: have you asked #samba |
| 01:38.27 | abrotman | Mr_arda: please go away' |
| 01:38.46 | dlynch | abrotman: yep, juts covering my bases ;) |
| 01:39.03 | rremer | I need a good site for my sources.list that is updated and fast for west coast of U.S. Any suggestions? |
| 01:39.11 | abrotman | dlynch: wait .. is this samba3 ? |
| 01:39.15 | Mr_arda | i heard richard stallman wanted to join debian as a developper |
| 01:39.20 | abrotman | !tell rremer about mirrors |
| 01:39.25 | dlynch | abrotman: sure is |
| 01:40.05 | abrotman | dlynch: i know #samba is usually pretty quiet .. but i got a bit of help in there .. and more from google |
| 01:40.30 | Mr_arda | your motto is : debian ? sure thing ! |
| 01:40.39 | Fluten | abrotman, should i use bf2.4 when installing to the 486? |
| 01:40.53 | abrotman | Fluten: depends on the hardware .. but if you can .. yes |
| 01:41.08 | abrotman | Fluten: and then you probably want ot install a real kernel |
| 01:41.11 | Fluten | abrotman, i notice theres no net-drivers.img, does this mean i have to use 4 floppies? |
| 01:41.17 | abrotman | Fluten: which means apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 01:41.24 | abrotman | Fluten: for woody ? |
| 01:41.37 | abrotman | Mr_arda: do you have a question about debian ? |
| 01:41.39 | dlynch | abrotman: yeah I have check google, but just can't find the solution alough there is lots of hits ofr my issue :(( |
| 01:41.50 | Mr_arda | yeah i have a question |
| 01:41.53 | abrotman | dlynch: google sucks! :) |
| 01:41.56 | Mr_arda | does stallman work on it ? |
| 01:42.00 | Fluten | abrotman, er, 5 floppies, i see a boot.bin and driver[1-4].bin |
| 01:42.01 | abrotman | Mr_arda: stop already |
| 01:42.02 | abrotman | please |
| 01:42.09 | abrotman | Fluten: yeah .. those you need :) |
| 01:42.23 | dlynch | abrotman: I was going to idle in #samba for a while and hope I get a response |
| 01:42.36 | Fluten | abrotman, thanks |
| 01:42.40 | abrotman | dlynch: you could be there .. a long time |
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| 01:42.55 | abrotman | dlynch: there's also mailing lists |
| 01:42.58 | solaris_girl | whats the deal with etch? |
| 01:42.59 | Mr_arda | bye everybody |
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| 01:43.06 | abrotman | solaris_girl: be .. less vague ? |
| 01:43.08 | solaris_girl | firefox 1.5.0..7 is not in the repos |
| 01:43.12 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:43.15 | abrotman | !info firefox etch |
| 01:43.19 | dpkg | firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.6-4 (etch), Packaged size: 7786 kB, Installed size: 23700 kB |
| 01:43.26 | abrotman | bah .. close enough! |
| 01:43.37 | dlynch | abrotman: I have 2 other systems that joined the domain fine, just use kinit for this install cause I couldn't get my 2 other systems to talk with active directory and squid |
| 01:44.00 | dlynch | abrotman: so I thought I would try and different solution, but............... |
| 01:44.05 | abrotman | dlynch: no workie eh |
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| 01:44.55 | dlynch | abrotman: where are the mailing lists? |
| 01:44.56 | abrotman | dlynch: can't you just make everything anonymous? :) |
| 01:45.17 | dlynch | abrotman: hahahahha, sure I can but I want users to auth |
| 01:45.28 | abrotman | they'll never notice the difference! |
| 01:45.34 | abrotman | https://lists.samba.org/mailman/ |
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| 01:45.54 | abrotman | Wyzard: how's it work ? |
| 01:46.01 | dlynch | abrotman: they won't but I will and my managers will in my reports |
| 01:46.14 | abrotman | dlynch: oh .. you're one of those! :) |
| 01:46.31 | dlynch | abrotman: lol |
| 01:46.40 | Wyzard | abrotman: turns out Debian's build of Metacity 2.16 doesn't include the compositor |
| 01:46.45 | abrotman | dlynch: i don't blame you .. i'm the same way |
| 01:46.52 | hans0lo | I've got an old IBM thinkpad running Debian Etch. If I do not use the keyboard or mouse for a few minutes, several things go into powersave (hard drive, pcmcia NIC, etc). However, the NIC never comes back up. Does anyone know what config file I need to make changes to? |
| 01:46.53 | Wyzard | abrotman: (It's not enabled by default... compile-time option) |
| 01:46.54 | abrotman | Wyzard: DOH! bastards! |
| 01:46.59 | abrotman | Wyzard: you going to rebuild it ? |
| 01:47.30 | Wyzard | abrotman: I tried, but it wants a library called "cm" -- compositing manager, I think -- that isn't packaged and doesn't seem to be in GNOME CVS either |
| 01:47.40 | rremer | Is xorg in stable? |
| 01:47.44 | Wyzard | no |
| 01:47.51 | abrotman | rremer: i told you .. there's a backport for it |
| 01:47.52 | dlynch | abrotman: and I don't like the idea of anyone being able to pug into and LAN and browse where ever thet like :D |
| 01:47.55 | abrotman | !tell rremer about xorg sarge |
| 01:48.02 | dlynch | *plug |
| 01:48.09 | abrotman | rremer: make VERY sure you read the directions there |
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| 01:48.20 | mansu | hi all |
| 01:48.27 | abrotman | dlynch: oh .. security is for those who have something to hide! |
| 01:48.41 | Fluten | abrotman, do i boot off of rescue.bin and then put in root.bin? |
| 01:48.51 | abrotman | Fluten: yep |
| 01:49.04 | abrotman | Fluten: there are six .. rescue,root,drivers[1-4] |
| 01:49.08 | mansu | which file has the list of modules that should be loaded when the system boots up... i actualy want to insert a driver ... |
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| 01:49.14 | Wyzard | abrotman: Also, installing Metacity 2.16 required installing GTK 2.10, which doesn't work very well in Debian right now... everything was still looking for the 2.8.x version of the image-loading modules, so nothing could display any icons |
| 01:49.22 | dlynch | abrotman: well yeah, but don't we all |
| 01:49.28 | Stevie-O | Why does libnspr4-dev conflict libnspr4 ? |
| 01:49.30 | abrotman | Wyzard: so a failed experiment |
| 01:49.36 | abrotman | dlynch: no .. only my boss :) |
| 01:49.38 | Fluten | abrotman, might i not need the last 2? |
| 01:49.49 | abrotman | Fluten: i've done the whole install with two floppies .. swapping and rewriting etc |
| 01:50.09 | Wyzard | abrotman: Only halfway -- I have a GNOME CVS tree checked out for use with jhbuild, and I can build GTK 2.10 and Metacity in that without impacting the rest of the system |
| 01:50.24 | Wyzard | abrotman: but I can't build Metacity with the compositor unless I can obtain that libcm |
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| 01:50.39 | abrotman | !find cm |
| 01:50.41 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'cm' (15 of 152): abcm2ps ;; abcmidi ;; abcmidi-yaps ;; acm ;; acm4 ;; bcm43xx-fwcutter ;; bcm5700-source ;; bluez-bcm203x ;; bluez-pcmcia-support ;; bricolage-cms ;; ccmalloc ;; cm-super ;; cm-super-x11 ;; cmail ;; cmail-icons. |
| 01:50.45 | abrotman | there it is! |
| 01:50.48 | Roey | WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! |
| 01:50.55 | abrotman | more dell equipment? |
| 01:51.05 | Roey | FIND :: FIND :: SOMEBODY SAID THE MAGIC WORD!!!!!!! :: FIND :: FIND :: FIND |
| 01:51.30 | abrotman | are you PeeWee ? |
| 01:51.37 | Althaser | where are the modules that debian loads at boot ? please |
| 01:51.49 | abrotman | Althaser: /etc/modules |
| 01:51.54 | Wyzard | abrotman: It's definitely not in Debian... it was looking for a pkg-config "cm" module, and nothing in Debian provides cm.pc |
| 01:52.05 | Wyzard | Roey: How old are you? |
| 01:52.25 | Roey | Wyzard: I just wanted to annoy abrotman really ;) |
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| 01:52.32 | Roey | Wyzard: actually, |
| 01:52.33 | abrotman | Wyzard: ouch ... |
| 01:52.47 | Roey | abrotman: do you know hotplug at all? |
| 01:52.47 | abrotman | Wyzard: just because you're like .. 72! |
| 01:52.51 | Roey | abrotman: =) |
| 01:52.57 | abrotman | Roey: not anymore .. yay udev |
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| 01:53.00 | Wyzard | abrotman: What surprises me more is that it's not in GNOME's CVS either |
| 01:53.04 | Roey | abrotman: *ah* that's it then. |
| 01:53.09 | abrotman | Wyzard: probably in xorg;s |
| 01:53.12 | Althaser | abrotman is it the only one ? |
| 01:53.14 | Wyzard | could be |
| 01:53.22 | abrotman | Althaser: why? |
| 01:53.32 | Wyzard | I'll ask in #gnome-devel (or whatever that channel's called) later |
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| 01:54.03 | Roey | abrotman: I'll give you an example. I got sick of the stylus changing /dev/input/eventN's on me every time I rebooted. So I tried to set up udev to work with the tablet. I tried to follow the Intuos guide but it just doesn't work. |
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| 01:54.10 | Althaser | abrotman because when I boot my system I got " * Skipping this module is already loaded" |
| 01:54.21 | abrotman | oh .. one is discover .. toher is hotplug/udev |
| 01:54.32 | Roey | toher? |
| 01:55.24 | rremer | abrotman: "xserver-xorg: Depends: xserver-common (>= 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6~bpo.4) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 is to be installed" tring to apt-get install xserver-xorg? |
| 01:55.47 | abrotman | Wyzard: i found libxcomposite |
| 01:55.54 | Wyzard | abrotman: That's not the one |
| 01:55.56 | abrotman | rremer: you didn't follow the instructions |
| 01:55.59 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh well |
| 01:56.04 | Wyzard | abrotman: (It needs that one too, but libcm is something separate) |
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| 01:57.01 | rremer | abrotman: ahhh, didnt realize there were instructions, I see them now |
| 01:57.02 | Miesco | jelly-home: The attachment to the hard drive on my one computer is not the same as the other, how do I put my hard drive in the other computer? |
| 01:57.13 | abrotman | rremer: i told you that before you starrted |
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| 01:57.56 | abrotman | Wyzard: ubuntu has it :) |
| 01:58.07 | encompass | I know it is off topic but could someone here help me with my networking homework... I need to translate a subnet to an IP (I think) |
| 01:58.34 | abrotman | LIBCM - The Combined Math Library of Mathematical Routines |
| 01:58.35 | Wyzard | abrotman: hmm... might be worth a try, though it's probably not a good idea to install an Ubuntu package on my sid system |
| 01:58.38 | Wyzard | oh |
| 01:58.40 | Wyzard | lol |
| 01:58.41 | abrotman | Wyzard: you think? |
| 01:58.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: that's what google says .. i think it's lying :) |
| 01:58.59 | abrotman | encompass: #networking |
| 01:58.59 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:59.11 | Wyzard | I don't actually know if it's called "libcm", just that pkg-config was looking for a module called "cm" |
| 01:59.13 | encompass | let me look |
| 01:59.32 | encompass | heh it exists |
| 01:59.38 | encompass | let me see if they can help |
| 01:59.52 | Miesco | I need to put my hard drive in my other computer to get information out of it, how do I put it in??? |
| 02:00.04 | abrotman | #hardware |
| 02:00.35 | jelly-home | Miesco: hm, you'll have to find the right cable to connect it. yup, #hardware |
| 02:00.39 | Wyzard | Miesco: sounds like your new drive is probably SATA |
| 02:00.57 | Wyzard | Miesco: You can't use it in a computer that doesn't support SATA (though you can get a SATA controller card to install in that computer) |
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| 02:01.21 | Miesco | Wyzard: damb, well I got like 5 computers, is SATA new? |
| 02:01.29 | abrotman | Wyzard: Package: libcm7 (0.0.16-0ubuntu2) [universe] |
| 02:01.29 | abrotman | Support code for compositing managers - development files |
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| 02:01.43 | Wyzard | relatively new... it's pretty standard in new computers these days |
| 02:02.00 | Wyzard | but wasn't so just a few years ago |
| 02:02.17 | Wyzard | It's a smaller cable, not a big wide ribbon, right? |
| 02:02.26 | Xorm | small cable. |
| 02:02.31 | Xorm | <10 conductors. |
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| 02:02.40 | Xorm | I forget how many. |
| 02:02.54 | Wyzard | Miesco: If it looks like that, it's SATA |
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| 02:03.26 | Xorm | They're typically paired/insulated conductors inside a larger sheath that insulates all of them. |
| 02:03.28 | Roey | Wyzard: How do I reconfigure an installed package? apt-configure? something --reconfigure? |
| 02:04.01 | Wyzard | Roey: dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 02:06.00 | Miesco | Wyzard: Do all new computers come with Sata HDDs? |
| 02:06.04 | Xorm | no |
| 02:06.10 | Wyzard | No, but many do |
| 02:06.14 | Xorm | But it's getting more common. |
| 02:06.26 | icyfire0573 | It's close to standard now a-days. |
| 02:06.38 | zinx | i think it's not as common on laptops |
| 02:06.39 | Xorm | hmm |
| 02:06.53 | mansu | which file has the list of modules that should be loaded when the system boots up... i actualy want to insert a driver ... |
| 02:07.02 | Wyzard | zinx: I bought a new laptop (Thinkpad Z60m) nearly a year ago and it's SATA |
| 02:07.29 | icyfire0573 | Yea, SATA is prettymuch better all around and the end-user will almost never know the difference |
| 02:07.32 | jelly-home | Wyzard: ibm/lenovo usually has more decent hardware than others |
| 02:08.04 | abrotman | zinx: it's getting there now .. core laptops have it IIRC |
| 02:08.12 | abrotman | Xorm: in windows it does stuff |
| 02:08.20 | abrotman | if you isntall the goofy drivers |
| 02:08.29 | Xorm | oh. |
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| 02:09.05 | Miesco | Wyzard: One of these are my new hard drive that I need information from, and the bottom one is the old hdd in the computer where I need to put it in |
| 02:09.07 | Miesco | http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-277-3.htm |
| 02:09.56 | Miesco | Wait, thats not accurate, its like the bottom one only has the 4 pin thing |
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| 02:10.08 | ne78 | How can i detect fedoracore/redhat from debian/ubuntu, does /etc/debian_version exists on both debian and ubuntu, is there an equivlaent on redhat ? |
| 02:10.10 | Roey | Wyzard: ah, thanks! |
| 02:10.29 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.49 | ne78 | jelly-home: on both fedora and redhat ? |
| 02:10.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:11.00 | Wyzard | Miesco: Those are both SATA drives... the second one has the traditional Molex power connector and the first one doesn't (only the new SATA power connector)... that varies on SATA drives these days |
| 02:11.16 | rremer | abrotman: thank you much for the help. Xorg is up and running for me |
| 02:11.25 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:11.32 | Xorm | Why is the SATA power connector so big? |
| 02:11.32 | Miesco | Wyzard: Okay, one only has Molex power connector, so I cant put the sata in it |
| 02:11.52 | liable | ne78: kernel name might give a clue too |
| 02:11.55 | abrotman | big? |
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| 02:12.21 | Wyzard | Miesco: That's only the power connector, though... the data connection is what's significant |
| 02:12.26 | Miesco | Wyzard: Okay I'll just use the business computer at the shop, thats like a week old |
| 02:12.36 | Wyzard | Miesco: The power connector is no big deal; you can get a cheap adapter from Molex to the SATA power plug |
| 02:12.48 | Xorm | Yeah |
| 02:12.50 | Xorm | it's huge |
| 02:12.53 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:12.57 | Xorm | I mean, compared to the data connector |
| 02:13.00 | abrotman | it's smaller than the old one |
| 02:13.05 | Xorm | ? |
| 02:13.06 | Xorm | oh |
| 02:13.12 | Xorm | I must have the older one then. |
| 02:13.15 | Miesco | Wyzard: The power connects to the mother board? |
| 02:13.20 | Xorm | O_o |
| 02:13.33 | Wyzard | no, the power connects to the power supply |
| 02:13.42 | Wyzard | The data cable connects to the motherboard |
| 02:13.55 | Wyzard | abrotman was right, you should to ask in #hardware, or search the web if you want to learn about SATA |
| 02:14.17 | Wyzard | abrotman: Ubuntu's libcm7 and libcm-dev seem to have installed without trouble on sid... |
| 02:14.26 | abrotman | Wyzard: now what?! cookies and milk? |
| 02:15.02 | Wyzard | now I try building metacity again |
| 02:15.08 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:15.18 | icyfire0573 | not metacity! |
| 02:15.19 | abrotman | alpha blended pr0n for all! |
| 02:16.17 | liable | pr0n? |
| 02:17.03 | abrotman | liable: goats for you |
| 02:17.15 | abrotman | liable: what's a 'ta-it' ? |
| 02:17.20 | liable | koalas |
| 02:17.23 | abrotman | really?> |
| 02:17.29 | abrotman | liable: /whois abrotman |
| 02:17.34 | liable | no, thats what i prefer |
| 02:17.44 | abrotman | resiak's bot said you could spell tait as ta-it |
| 02:18.17 | liable | i have no idea what ta-it is |
| 02:18.47 | abrotman | ~dict ta-it |
| 02:19.03 | abrotman | noolbenger? |
| 02:19.09 | liable | never heard of it |
| 02:19.33 | abrotman | liable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noolbenger |
| 02:19.33 | Miesco | Wyzard: So the new one has a big power connector and a small data connector? |
| 02:19.35 | liable | alexander noolbenger brotman? |
| 02:20.18 | Wyzard | Miesco: SATA always has the new data connector, by definition... some SATA drives have the old power connector, some have the new one, and some have both, but they all have the SATA data connector |
| 02:20.32 | abrotman | liable: http://www.google.com/images?safe=yes&q=%22Tarsipes+rostratus%22 |
| 02:20.44 | Roey | Wyzard: the e-sata one which doesn't fall outyou mean? |
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| 02:21.18 | Wyzard | Roey: I don't think I've heard of "e-sata" |
| 02:21.32 | Roey | e-sata is a more ruggedized connector |
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| 02:21.39 | Roey | that faces out of the computer |
| 02:21.58 | Wyzard | ah |
| 02:21.59 | liable | abrotman: never seen one, you arent that cute though |
| 02:22.12 | Wyzard | I don't own any SATA hardware (yet) so I don't know much about the variants |
| 02:22.19 | Wyzard | well, aside from the one in my laptop |
| 02:22.27 | icyfire0573 | can you get e-sata to sata cables? |
| 02:22.46 | abrotman | liable: i wear an umbrella hat :) |
| 02:24.13 | abrotman | Wyzard: don't you have a job ? |
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| 02:25.30 | Wyzard | abrotman: indeed I do, and I'm going to be building a new computer sometime within the next month -- I'm waiting for a new Amazon Visa card to arrive in the mail (it was approved nearly a month ago... grr) so I can earn some points for buying $2500 of new hardware |
| 02:25.42 | Wyzard | abrotman: That'll have three Seagate 750GB SATA drives |
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| 02:25.55 | abrotman | slacker |
| 02:26.04 | abrotman | Wyzard: can you buy me beer? :) |
| 02:26.26 | icyfire0573 | 3 750GB thats intense. |
| 02:26.37 | Wyzard | icyfire0573: 1.5TB RAID-5 :-) |
| 02:26.49 | Wyzard | icyfire0573: which will be encrypted and have LVM used on top of it |
| 02:26.50 | icyfire0573 | go for 4 500GBs its also 1.5TB and probably cheaper |
| 02:26.56 | abrotman | Wyzard: beer!!! |
| 02:27.20 | abrotman | Wyzard: we should take dan2 to victory or sly fox (not everyone has to drink beer) :) |
| 02:27.25 | Wyzard | icyfire0573: The 750GB drives are faster, though, and with only three drives there's less heat and power consumption |
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| 02:27.54 | Wyzard | abrotman: btw, Ubuntu's libcm7 is apparently too old... it doesn't provide a header that Metacity needs |
| 02:27.59 | abrotman | too old?!!? |
| 02:28.01 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 02:28.10 | abrotman | Wyzard: wait .. which one did you get ? |
| 02:28.12 | Wyzard | I got the one from edgy too |
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| 02:28.24 | abrotman | oh .. no good that one iether ? |
| 02:28.28 | Wyzard | nope |
| 02:28.42 | abrotman | is there a source link to get your own ? |
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| 02:28.49 | Fluten | abrotman, its now going (= you know how long it might take? |
| 02:28.56 | icyfire0573 | yea but its like 4 or 5 hundred a drive. (Which I can't afford) I've got 4 300GB drives, It was supposed to be 5 but one came DOA and I wasn't waiting for a new one to arrive. |
| 02:28.57 | Wyzard | I'm checking freedesktop.org now |
| 02:28.59 | Fluten | abrotman, its a 66mhz dx2 with 12MB memory |
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| 02:29.17 | Wyzard | icyfire0573: $365, actually |
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| 02:29.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: at gnome.org .. somewhere |
| 02:29.36 | icyfire0573 | Thats cheaper than I remmeber as of 2 weeks ago. Where are you getting them from. |
| 02:29.36 | abrotman | Fluten: hours .. my dx2/66 had 36MB |
| 02:29.44 | Wyzard | icyfire0573: ZipZoomFly as of a few weeks ago |
| 02:30.06 | Wyzard | I haven't checked recently, but I doubt they've gone up, certainly not by that much |
| 02:30.11 | icyfire0573 | Well I gotta start lookin there then. I've been getting stuff from Newegg |
| 02:30.25 | Wyzard | newegg has a nicer site but ZZF often has better prices |
| 02:30.29 | Wyzard | I use both |
| 02:30.33 | icyfire0573 | alright. |
| 02:30.43 | deceptacon | i did apt-get install xfce4 and all i see is rounded windows instead of the screenshots i saw |
| 02:30.46 | deceptacon | what did i do wrong |
| 02:31.06 | icyfire0573 | I just got a new server from them. (put itgether myself) 3800+, 4 Gigs ram and 3 100GB drives. |
| 02:31.14 | Fluten | abrotman, going to use it in a networking class at school. everyone else is using pentium 3s so they can have their pretty guis and webmin |
| 02:31.25 | abrotman | Fluten: you'll win! |
| 02:31.31 | Wyzard | icyfire0573: btw, if you're doing RAID-5, it's OK if one of your disks is DOA -- you can create the array in degraded mode (like it would be if a disk had failed) and then add the last disk later |
| 02:31.36 | abrotman | deceptacon: missing a theme ? |
| 02:31.49 | Fluten | abrotman, they have to use redhat though |
| 02:31.53 | Fluten | er, fedora |
| 02:31.58 | abrotman | ew |
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| 02:32.18 | deceptacon | i dont know abrotman. i see a grey background with no "start" button type of button, no "taskbar" just blue and grey rounded windows is the only difference |
| 02:32.24 | icyfire0573 | Wyzard, true, but another disk died that day. So its actually pretty sad. I RMA'd one and need to get the other one sent back too. |
| 02:32.30 | Wyzard | ah |
| 02:32.36 | Wyzard | Well, that sucks |
| 02:32.40 | abrotman | deceptacon: uh .. |
| 02:32.42 | icyfire0573 | Indeed it does. |
| 02:32.54 | solaris_girl | http://chris1.myftp.org/v/artwork |
| 02:33.10 | Wyzard | You could've created a degraded RAID-6 and had even more redundancy once the two dead disks were replaced :-) |
| 02:33.19 | icyfire0573 | I've had a crazy number of SATA drives from newegg fail on me. 3 of 7 |
| 02:33.35 | icyfire0573 | All Seagate Barracudas |
| 02:33.45 | Wyzard | That's surprising |
| 02:33.50 | abrotman | Wyzard: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/libcm/ |
| 02:33.53 | icyfire0573 | Yea it really is. |
| 02:33.58 | Wyzard | All five drives in this computer are barracudas, actually, of various revisions |
| 02:34.17 | Wyzard | I've had problems with two of them that required RMAs, but neither was catastrophic and I didn't lose more than a file or two |
| 02:34.25 | abrotman | hasn't been touched in three weeks apparently |
| 02:34.27 | brownie17 | the package in the repos for ALSA is not the most current one, i want to know if anyone knows where i can find a more current version |
| 02:34.37 | Wyzard | One of them even got me 40GB for free -- I sent in an 80GB drive and got back a 120GB in exchange |
| 02:34.47 | icyfire0573 | Its pretty much all I run when I have the chance. I've got 3 IDE barracudas in the machine. (Degraded RAID) and the work server has 3 SATA Barracudas. |
| 02:35.00 | deceptacon | abrotman, im not too sure how people end up with a screenshot with a beautiful blue looking background with a decent workspace thing on the bottom, and taskbar, and a panel at the top when they say "get xfce4" |
| 02:35.13 | abrotman | deceptacon: with themese |
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| 02:35.22 | deceptacon | and icons |
| 02:35.31 | deceptacon | icons on the desktop |
| 02:35.32 | abrotman | themes.org |
| 02:35.39 | deceptacon | its just themes? really |
| 02:36.10 | brownie17 | does anyone know where i can find a link for a .deb package for ALSA? apart from the repos (old version) |
| 02:36.21 | ChompWizd | i had 18 bad maxtor maxline 3's, if that helps :) |
| 02:36.23 | ChompWizd | out of 18. |
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| 02:36.40 | icyfire0573 | haha, thats terrible CompWizrd |
| 02:36.46 | CompWizrd | bad firmware on them |
| 02:36.46 | abrotman | Wyzard: thinky ou can get it checked out ? |
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| 02:36.55 | CompWizrd | they'd go to sleep randomly.. in a 15x300 raid5 array, that was bad |
| 02:37.07 | icyfire0573 | Yea, that would slow down your access times. |
| 02:37.16 | abrotman | !tell brownie17 about sdn |
| 02:37.20 | CompWizrd | double drive failures were great fun too |
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| 02:38.20 | brownie17 | abrotman, sorry, i phrased that question wrong. the one in the repos is old, i want the latest (it has auto dmix spport) |
| 02:38.31 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 02:38.38 | abrotman | brownie17: which version of debian ? |
| 02:38.51 | brownie17 | abrotman, dunno. i think rc1? not sure. |
| 02:39.04 | Fluten | abrotman, thanks for all the help, im out for the night |
| 02:39.10 | abrotman | dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:39.10 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:39.17 | abrotman | Fluten: enjoy |
| 02:39.45 | Wyzard | abrotman: aha -- https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libcm/+bug/54287 |
| 02:39.50 | craigbass1976 | Which .iso file do I actually need to get debian up and running with a GUI. I can add all the other packages later, right? |
| 02:40.00 | stoned | zapata |
| 02:40.05 | craigbass1976 | I meant iso fileS |
| 02:40.45 | dan2 | abrotman: I'm waiting for my free helles fries |
| 02:41.07 | abrotman | dan2: how about an enema instead? |
| 02:41.13 | abrotman | Wyzard: is it fixed or not ? |
| 02:41.15 | amphi | heh |
| 02:41.29 | brownie17 | when trying to configure something, i got the following error: "checking for kernel version... The file /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/source/include/linux/version.h does not exist." |
| 02:41.32 | dan2 | abrotman: try 1800fuckass |
| 02:41.36 | brownie17 | does anyone know what it means? |
| 02:41.46 | abrotman | !version.h |
| 02:41.46 | dpkg | if you use multiple kernels and wish to use the include files with ease, copy /usr/src/linux/include to /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z. then 'ln -fs /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z/linux/version.h /usr/include/linux/version.h' |
| 02:42.08 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'm confused because the comment seems to imply that it is, but my own results say it isn't, even though it's from over a month ago |
| 02:42.22 | Wyzard | abrotman: However, I found that through this: http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20060912.130448.20f177cc.en.html |
| 02:42.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: maybe it's stuck in their buildd ? |
| 02:42.46 | Wyzard | abrotman: which is more recent, just last week ago, and says that Metacity compositing is buggy too |
| 02:43.10 | abrotman | the whole thing is buggy! |
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| 02:43.24 | abrotman | Wyzard: does the 7.1 use aiglx or the other |
| 02:43.42 | Wyzard | AIGLX |
| 02:44.08 | abrotman | xgl .. my memory is failing! |
| 02:44.15 | Wyzard | which is better anyway, I believe |
| 02:44.21 | abrotman | so i've heard |
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| 02:45.39 | Xorm | huh |
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| 02:45.50 | Xorm | Isn't 2.6.8 a testing kernel? |
| 02:45.55 | Xorm | wasn't* |
| 02:46.02 | Wyzard | 2.6.8 is the kernel in sarge |
| 02:46.23 | Bhavesh | i got 2.6.8 now.. in stable and when i tried to aptitude upgrade it wants to REMOVE that kernel |
| 02:46.25 | abrotman | one of them anyways |
| 02:46.33 | Xorm | hmm. |
| 02:46.45 | Wyzard | Bhavesh: and replace it with what? |
| 02:46.53 | Bhavesh | Wyzard: that's what i am tryint to figure out |
| 02:46.58 | Xorm | This APT has Super Cow Powers. |
| 02:47.00 | Xorm | ?? |
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| 02:47.06 | Xorm | That was really random |
| 02:47.26 | liable | Xorm: apt-get moo |
| 02:47.42 | Xorm | hahaha. |
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| 02:48.10 | Xorm | You never see these things in Windows apps. |
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| 02:48.30 | Bhavesh | don't see anything that is replacing my kernel |
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| 02:48.34 | Xorm | And I bet there isn't a single instance of 'fuck' in the Windows kernel. |
| 02:48.36 | NewFace | what is the common way to explicitly specify that a predicate applies to a plural subject collectively or individually? e.g. (1) we collectively have a good teacher. (2) most people individually have a car. |
| 02:49.15 | abrotman | NewFace: wrong channel ? |
| 02:49.54 | abrotman | Xorm: aptitude moo .. aptitude -v moo .. -vv -vvv -vvvv etc |
| 02:49.56 | abrotman | keep going |
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| 02:50.30 | epsilon | Xorm: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/2/15/71552/7795 |
| 02:50.45 | Xorm | hahahha |
| 02:50.59 | Bhavesh | so which is safe ( i know answer to this question) but i ask anyway, to go from stable to testing or stable -> unstable? |
| 02:51.06 | dn4 | This is Sasquatch - Where the Hairy Buffalo All Began (Optimus Prime Hard Dub Edit) |
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| 02:51.08 | abrotman | dude .. stay with stable |
| 02:51.09 | Xorm | Reference to The Little Prince ? |
| 02:51.18 | abrotman | dn4: turn it off |
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| 02:51.48 | dn4 | turn off um what? |
| 02:51.58 | dn4 | if you are retorting about my brain, I already have |
| 02:52.08 | Bhavesh | last time i went to stable but i installed my own kernel and nvidia drivers |
| 02:52.19 | Xorm | one a dozen fucks/shits? |
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| 02:54.19 | Bhavesh | either i am going to get a new version of kde |
| 02:54.24 | Bhavesh | OR i am going to break my system AGAIN! |
| 02:54.50 | Bhavesh | i am upgrading to testing |
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| 02:55.21 | dn4 | How do I switch from this screen to screen 2 3 or 4 |
| 02:55.31 | abrotman | in what? |
| 02:55.48 | slimey_limey | dn4: on the console, ctl-alt-F<n> |
| 02:56.11 | Ratlump | Anyone know how to search for a file when you don't know which .deb package (not installed) it is in? |
| 02:56.25 | abrotman | !apt-file |
| 02:56.25 | dpkg | i guess apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename, or currently broken in testing and unstable, refer to bug #377140 |
| 02:56.34 | Bhavesh | in case of irssi alt-1,alt-2,alt3 etc |
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| 02:57.57 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:57.57 | dpkg | <hotdog> how do i join the debian channel? |
| 02:57.57 | abrotman | !flw |
| 02:57.57 | dpkg | somebody said flw31 was <p88> anymous: a trojan is pretty much impossible <p88> this system is 1 day old |
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| 03:02.30 | Bhavesh | remind me.. which is stable and testing (etch sid )? |
| 03:02.35 | Bhavesh | or sid = always unstable? |
| 03:02.38 | smax | what do they mean when they say ubuntu and gentoo are debian based |
| 03:03.03 | vulture | Bhavesh: yes, sid is always unstable |
| 03:03.06 | Bhavesh | don't think gentoo is debian based |
| 03:03.11 | smax | oh |
| 03:03.13 | tuv | Bhavesh, stable = sarge, testing = etch |
| 03:03.19 | Bhavesh | tuv thank u |
| 03:03.20 | Bhavesh | brb |
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| 03:03.34 | tuv | Bhavesh, not for long though ;) |
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| 03:03.49 | vulture | smax: Ubuntu is debian derived - takes debian packages (from testing, I believe) & has its own quality bar by which they choose when/how to release them. A few custom packages as well I assume |
| 03:03.50 | tuv | Bhavesh, etch is going to be stable in a few months |
| 03:04.20 | smax | well regardless of the distro, if i copy xorg.conf from one one distro to an other, on the same PC but different hard drive, will that work out? rather than having to manually configure xorg? |
| 03:04.27 | tuv | iirc, ubuntu starts at debian unstable rather than testing |
| 03:04.55 | amphi | smax: should do |
| 03:04.56 | tuv | smax, it should work, but no guarantees |
| 03:05.00 | smax | hmmm |
| 03:05.00 | smax | ok |
| 03:05.40 | smax | is there much of a difference between xfree86 (from my ubuntu partition) and xorg-x11(from my gentoo partition) ?? |
| 03:05.52 | smax | as far as xorg.conf parameters |
| 03:06.23 | tuv | smax, ubuntu should be using xorg by now |
| 03:06.26 | solaris_girl | whats an amd k7 machine? |
| 03:06.57 | tuv | i think k7 is P3 counterpart |
| 03:07.08 | smax | solaris_girl: are you hot xD |
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| 03:07.53 | slimey_limey | smax: no, 'cause she's not debian_girl |
| 03:07.58 | solaris_girl | smax: http://chris1.myftp.org/v/artwork |
| 03:08.10 | smax | slimey_limey: xD |
| 03:08.52 | solaris_girl | someones using an old version of firefox 1.5.0.5 and needs to update |
| 03:09.01 | slimey_limey | right now bug #386121 has my system screwed |
| 03:09.07 | smax | lol |
| 03:09.12 | Bhavesh | yes K7 = AMD's answer to PIII |
| 03:09.13 | solaris_girl | thats the person using ubuntu |
| 03:09.15 | Bhavesh | which i use :) |
| 03:09.20 | mzilikazi | what's the technique for installing nvidia driver on 1:7.1.0-1 |
| 03:09.22 | mzilikazi | ? |
| 03:09.25 | mzilikazi | xorg 1:7.1.0-1 |
| 03:09.37 | Bhavesh | i am about to find out how to mess up my system even more |
| 03:10.28 | slimey_limey | Bhavesh: I broke dselect and apt-get both |
| 03:10.39 | solaris_girl | mzilikazi: legacy driver maybe? |
| 03:10.48 | Bhavesh | slimey_limey: congrats.. i have re-installed debian 3 times in past two days ;) |
| 03:11.10 | slimey_limey | well it wasn't me, it was bug #386121 :) |
| 03:11.12 | Bhavesh | !tell mzilikazi about nvidia |
| 03:11.18 | Bhavesh | sure it was :) |
| 03:11.24 | Bhavesh | who made the bug show up on YOUR system? :) |
| 03:11.32 | slimey_limey | apt-get install ? |
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| 03:11.49 | mzilikazi | no the nvidia one liner does nto work w/ xorg 7.1 nvidia-glx is no more |
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| 03:12.22 | solaris_girl | heres my uname -a SunOS solaris 5.10 Generic_118855-14 i86pc i386 i86pc |
| 03:12.25 | smax | anyone use irssi, do you know the keystrokes to toggle between channels? |
| 03:12.40 | Bhavesh | oh |
| 03:13.03 | Bhavesh | smax: alt-#, i.e. alt-1,alt-2,alt-3 |
| 03:13.13 | smax | thanx pal |
| 03:13.14 | Bhavesh | smax: /window list to show window on screen one (alt-1_ |
| 03:13.17 | Bhavesh | smax: /window list to show window on screen one (alt-1) |
| 03:13.18 | Bhavesh | np |
| 03:13.27 | solaris_girl | i just got a hit from the google bot on solaris w/apache2 |
| 03:14.04 | peterS | getting hits from the google bots isn't exactly a rare occurrence (: |
| 03:14.24 | Xorm | haha. |
| 03:14.49 | solaris_girl | 66.249.66.229 - - [20/Sep/2006:22:12:31 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 1456 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" |
| 03:15.06 | Bhavesh | is that good or bad? |
| 03:15.29 | typewriter | i have several ips, main ip on eth0, and others ips on eth0:0, eth0:1, anytime i use any programs by default it uses the eth0:1 instead of eth0 ip? |
| 03:15.40 | solaris_girl | Bhavesh: not sure |
| 03:15.52 | Bhavesh | did i scare her? :) |
| 03:15.59 | pickcoder | If the web page is public, you can expect google bot to stop by |
| 03:16.23 | peterS | I'm not quite getting what solaris has to do with #debian |
| 03:16.36 | peterS | or what googlebot has to do with #debian |
| 03:16.44 | Bhavesh | i don't know either |
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| 03:17.38 | linux2 | does anyone here know what device the pcspkr users? |
| 03:17.51 | slimey_limey | it's in /dev/input I think |
| 03:17.51 | linux2 | im trying to output directly to it, as in output the sound to it |
| 03:18.05 | slimey_limey | rather stupidly, imo :) |
| 03:18.22 | linux2 | humm no its not |
| 03:18.30 | linux2 | that only is a directory containing my mice |
| 03:18.46 | slimey_limey | ah that's right, the option in the kernel config is in the input section though |
| 03:18.48 | typewriter | i have several ips, main ip on eth0, and others ips on eth0:0, eth0:1, anytime i use any programs by default it uses the eth0:1 instead of eth0 ip? |
| 03:19.28 | linux2 | slimey_limey: yeah i was able to find that out with google but nothing on what the actual device name is |
| 03:19.35 | slimey_limey | linux2: have the pcspkr module loaded or builtin? |
| 03:19.43 | Bhavesh | is it possible swap the IP addresses between eth0 and eth0:1? |
| 03:19.43 | linux2 | slimey_limey: loaded |
| 03:19.44 | linux2 | and working |
| 03:19.57 | Bhavesh | that's one way to fix it |
| 03:21.36 | Bhavesh | where's top level domain .uy? |
| 03:22.19 | slimey_limey | uruguay |
| 03:22.53 | Bhavesh | that's the first time i seen that domain :) |
| 03:23.04 | Bhavesh | thanks |
| 03:23.26 | stainlessmice | .uy? |
| 03:23.28 | Bhavesh | yes |
| 03:23.50 | stainlessmice | I know .cx and .cz |
| 03:24.00 | stainlessmice | (spam) |
| 03:24.17 | slimey_limey | if you go to nic.uy there's some text in uruguayan ;) and it talks about their gov't |
| 03:24.23 | slimey_limey | er |
| 03:24.27 | slimey_limey | there's links to it |
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| 03:26.11 | Bhavesh | stainlessmice: .pl is spam.. got some at work from there |
| 03:26.23 | stainlessmice | http://www.iana.org/root-whois/uy.htm |
| 03:27.18 | Stevie-O | always thought .pl was Perl (or Poland) |
| 03:27.23 | Bhavesh | hehe |
| 03:27.27 | pickcoder | a large percentage of the spam we get comes from .pl domains |
| 03:27.35 | Bhavesh | so i am not the only one |
| 03:27.45 | Bhavesh | of course .ru is another spam domain |
| 03:27.56 | pickcoder | soon to be eliminated via graylisting |
| 03:27.57 | stainlessmice | Bhavesh, is .uy your home? |
| 03:28.01 | Bhavesh | nope |
| 03:28.08 | Bhavesh | .us is my home, originally from .in |
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| 03:29.33 | stainlessmice | Bhavesh, spam is everywhere, as the evil |
| 03:29.49 | pickcoder | linux2: beep says it will use /dev/tty0, /dev/input/event0, or /dev/vc/0 by default |
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| 03:32.42 | magyar | bleh |
| 03:32.58 | stainlessmice | helb |
| 03:34.41 | magyar | why ftp on sid needs "passive on" and etch ftp client doesn't? |
| 03:34.44 | magyar | why? |
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| 03:35.53 | typewriter | i have several ips, main ip on eth0, and others ips on eth0:0, eth0:1, anytime i use any programs by default it uses the eth0:1 instead of eth0 ip? |
| 03:36.07 | typewriter | why is that? |
| 03:36.42 | magyar | how do you know that for a fact? |
| 03:37.23 | stainlessmice | ... |
| 03:37.26 | typewriter | because every program by default uses that ip? |
| 03:37.32 | Bhavesh | bbl |
| 03:37.40 | Bhavesh | baby is awake.. got to feed him :) |
| 03:37.49 | stainlessmice | lol |
| 03:38.21 | stainlessmice | it's time to watch Celebabies |
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| 03:47.19 | christophe971 | hello, i've got some problems with dpkg |
| 03:47.39 | christophe971 | i had stfw and rtfm, but it still don't work, there is my problem : |
| 03:48.45 | christophe971 | i wanted to apt-get install ejabberd, but, while i was in the "ncurses nice installer", i hit ctrl+c to quit, and then, i cannot apt-get remove ejabberd |
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| 03:49.18 | christophe971 | "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code" |
| 03:49.46 | liable | christophe971: is it installed properly first |
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| 03:49.49 | liable | ? |
| 03:49.54 | christophe971 | no |
| 03:50.07 | christophe971 | oh, yes |
| 03:50.15 | christophe971 | i stop the ncurses installer |
| 03:50.23 | christophe971 | and then, i reinstall it via apt-get install ejabberd |
| 03:50.30 | christophe971 | and it worked well |
| 03:50.37 | christophe971 | but now, i can't deinstall it |
| 03:50.43 | liable | christophe971: put the whole error on a pastebin |
| 03:50.53 | christophe971 | yes |
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| 03:51.34 | christophe971 | http://pastie.caboo.se/14302 |
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| 03:52.38 | liable | christophe971: can we have an english version? |
| 03:53.11 | christophe971 | how can i set the language ? |
| 03:53.45 | liable | iirc LANG=C apt-foo.. |
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| 03:54.31 | hawky | _XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for inet6, _XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for inet6/geoff:0, _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for inet6 anyone familiar with this at the top of Xorg log? is that why Xorg isn't starting? |
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| 03:55.41 | christophe971 | http://pastie.caboo.se/14304 |
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| 03:56.49 | grendal_prime | who has used openvpn with a windows vpn client? |
| 03:57.01 | pickcoder | hawky: do you have ipv6 installed? |
| 03:57.15 | hawky | not that I am aware of |
| 03:57.18 | liable | christophe971: no idea about that one.. |
| 03:57.22 | pickcoder | hawky: lsmod | grep ipv6 |
| 03:57.24 | christophe971 | :/ |
| 03:57.36 | brownie17 | when trying to configure something, i got the following error: "checking for kernel version... The file /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/source/include/linux/version.h does not exist." |
| 03:57.37 | stainlessmice | bad firewall rules? |
| 03:57.39 | brownie17 | does anyone know what it means? |
| 03:57.59 | liable | brownie17: install headers for your running kernel |
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| 03:58.11 | brownie17 | liable, how? i've got no idea |
| 03:58.13 | grendal_prime | i was reading the program desc in apt and it says that it understands tls and several different encpt howerver ... |
| 03:58.14 | liable | christophe971: you could try forcing it with dpkg |
| 03:58.23 | christophe971 | how? |
| 03:58.34 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: OpenVPN is based on TLS, yes |
| 03:58.52 | liable | brownie17: apt-cache search headers-`uname -r` |
| 03:58.59 | liable | christophe971: man dpkg :) |
| 03:59.04 | christophe971 | :) |
| 03:59.05 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: I use the OpenVPN GUI client on windows |
| 03:59.05 | grendal_prime | cool, but can you connect with the default windows vpn client or do you have to use the openvpn one |
| 03:59.14 | Wyzard | You have to use OpenVPN |
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| 03:59.24 | brownie17 | liable, so now what? download both the files that it found? |
| 03:59.27 | hawky | pickcoder: nada |
| 03:59.36 | Wyzard | TLS isn't a VPN protocol... OpenVPN uses its own custom protocol that's just based on TLS |
| 03:59.48 | pickcoder | hawky: it's trying to establish an IPv6 socket which you don't have a network subsystem for |
| 03:59.48 | grendal_prime | ya i have used the openvpn one it works great..unfortunatly the customer wants it to use the windows native one. |
| 03:59.55 | liable | brownie17: there should only be one correct one for each kernel |
| 04:00.02 | liable | brownie17: but yes, install the package |
| 04:00.04 | pickcoder | hawky: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 04:00.20 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: I've heard there are some security issues with that, at least according to a few researchers |
| 04:00.32 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: dunno details though |
| 04:00.39 | brownie17 | liable, there was a SMP version aswell.. |
| 04:00.52 | liable | brownie17: do you have a smp kernel? |
| 04:00.59 | grendal_prime | well..if thats the case, must mean its doable. |
| 04:01.01 | hawky | pickcoder: unstable |
| 04:01.01 | brownie17 | liable, no idea. what is it? |
| 04:01.14 | liable | brownie17: just install the other one |
| 04:01.21 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: I mean with the VPN protocol that Windows uses natively, in general |
| 04:01.42 | liable | !reference |
| 04:01.42 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 04:01.52 | grendal_prime | ya..well the entire os is a big virus from what i can tell... |
| 04:01.55 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: no idea whether it's possible to set up a server for it on Debian... I don't even remember offhand what protocol it is |
| 04:01.58 | liable | brownie17: ^^ you might want to read that too. very good doc on debian |
| 04:02.45 | brownie17 | liable, . is it completely massive? |
| 04:03.21 | pickcoder | hawky: try modprobe ipv6 |
| 04:03.40 | liable | brownie17: no, its quite simplified, great for new people |
| 04:03.48 | brownie17 | liable, okay. i'll give it a shot. |
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| 04:04.27 | hawky | pickcoder: FATAL: Module ipv6 not found. |
| 04:04.28 | brownie17 | liable. i'm not great with linux. but so far i've managed to do everything i need to with the help of this channel. i.e. set up printer. scanner. basic things like that |
| 04:05.03 | liable | brownie17: cool, now try and help yourself a bit. :) |
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| 04:06.55 | pickcoder | hawky: unstable is outta my area of knowledge. You may want to ask and see if you can change Xorg to setup ipv4 sockets. If not, you will need the ipv6 kernel built-in or module. |
| 04:07.26 | pickcoder | hawky: I'd try building a new kernel with ipv6 support before I'd start hacking up Xorg |
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| 04:07.59 | hawky | doesn't it still use unix sockets? |
| 04:08.03 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: you can not use OpenVPN with Windows VPN |
| 04:08.06 | brownie17 | getting the following error when trying to 'make' a file. "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/source: No such file or directory. Stop. make: *** [compile] Error 2" anyone know what it means? |
| 04:08.18 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: you may be able to use an IPsec tunnel, though. |
| 04:08.45 | pickcoder | hawky: ipv4 and ipv6 are completely different types of network stacks |
| 04:08.49 | grendal_prime | stunnel? |
| 04:09.03 | grendal_prime | they are not really happy with that solution |
| 04:09.29 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: then complain to M$ for not using TLS for auth |
| 04:09.32 | pickcoder | :) |
| 04:09.35 | grendal_prime | they have had trouble with stunnel crashing...which i think is odd..but..well |
| 04:09.36 | hawky | yeah I know that, hurm okie |
| 04:09.56 | grendal_prime | thats the thing..i think they do use tls.. |
| 04:10.22 | brownie17 | anyone know how i can find ouyt the exact version of the kernel i'm using? |
| 04:10.30 | stew | brownie17: uname -r |
| 04:10.34 | grendal_prime | uname -a |
| 04:11.19 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: VPN on Windows uses IPsec |
| 04:11.54 | Pons | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.16 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: I will try to establish a connection right now via XP VPN |
| 04:13.21 | grendal_prime | well..thanks...man thats nice of ya...i didnt bring you anything...:-) |
| 04:13.31 | grendal_prime | i feel kinda bad now. |
| 04:13.35 | pickcoder | hrmm.. PPTP and IPsec are the only options |
| 04:13.55 | stainlessmice | not really... |
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| 04:14.01 | Wyzard | PPTP is the one I've heard about security problems with |
| 04:14.16 | Wyzard | (again, just according to a few researchers; I'm not a cryptographer myself so I can't evaluate the claim) |
| 04:14.22 | pickcoder | IPSec is L2PT |
| 04:15.29 | grendal_prime | ya...l2pt sounds right |
| 04:15.40 | Wyzard | L2TP, you mean |
| 04:15.44 | Wyzard | Layer 2 Tunneling Protocol IIRC |
| 04:15.48 | stainlessmice | IPSec and VPN are dreams nowadays |
| 04:16.13 | brownie17 | why would i get the following error when trying to 'make a file'? |
| 04:16.25 | brownie17 | "/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/source: No such file or directory." |
| 04:16.37 | grendal_prime | well these people want to tunnel a bunch of stuff |
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| 04:17.22 | grendal_prime | im a little hazzy on the details, (they are not all that forthcomming with info. which makes things difficult.) |
| 04:17.26 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: 3com makes some nice IPsec based nics |
| 04:17.37 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: no need to setup tunneling software |
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| 04:18.04 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: then again, they aren't really Debian so you'll have to dig for that on Google. <g> |
| 04:18.08 | stainlessmice | pickcoder, patented? |
| 04:18.22 | pickcoder | stainlessmice: no clue |
| 04:18.57 | stainlessmice | pickcoder, is it a 3com version IPSec? |
| 04:19.22 | pickcoder | stainlessmice: look on 3com.com for Secure NIC |
| 04:19.29 | stainlessmice | ok |
| 04:20.03 | stainlessmice | pickcoder, did NSA put something in it? |
| 04:20.15 | stainlessmice | (hehehe) |
| 04:20.25 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 04:20.29 | grendal_prime | well basically i need this thing to allow windows with the default installed vpn client connect. then it routes them out to the internet. |
| 04:22.18 | stainlessmice | and patented by m$? |
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| 04:22.53 | crozewski | anyone use ion window manager? |
| 04:23.05 | stainlessmice | none |
| 04:23.35 | zinx | !anyone |
| 04:23.35 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 04:24.38 | crozewski | sure. does anyone have any quick tips on using ion? i'm new to the window manager and was wondering if anyone had any initial pointers |
| 04:24.51 | stainlessmice | s/anyone// |
| 04:26.02 | stainlessmice | brb |
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| 04:26.47 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: have you looked at Openswan? |
| 04:26.55 | liable | brownie17: most make files look for the build dir, which is a symlink to your kernel headers. have you read the packages readme or install file? |
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| 04:27.53 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: http://www.jacco2.dds.nl/networking/freeswan-l2tp.html |
| 04:28.21 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: I can't vouch for any aspect of it. Never used it. |
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| 04:32.33 | Halitherses | If I ssh to a server with the -i option then I should not need to type a password right? |
| 04:32.42 | Halitherses | !ssh |
| 04:32.42 | dpkg | methinks ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about putty, or for mac clients ask me about niftytelnet or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about rsa, or ask about winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 04:33.01 | myren | uh, one of my processes hung, i did a killall -9 [process name], and then, i'm not sure if this is coincidental or not, i did a ps -AF and the shell and/or ps hung |
| 04:33.13 | Wyzard | Halitherses: If the chosen identity's public key is on the server and the server has public-key authentication enabled, yes |
| 04:33.44 | Wyzard | Halitherses: If you name your keyfile "id_rsa" or "id_dsa" you don't even need the -i option; it'll be used automatically wherever possible |
| 04:34.19 | myren | are there any kills besides -9 i should look at for forcing a program to die? |
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| 04:34.27 | Halitherses | the key is ther how can i enable pka on a imac? |
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| 04:34.59 | Vaske_Car | Why Debian and not Ubuntu? |
| 04:35.07 | Vaske_Car | Quick... |
| 04:35.22 | zinx | !whydebian |
| 04:35.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, whydebian is because http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://ext2.org/99/02/imoore2.html or http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/WhyDebianRocks |
| 04:35.26 | zinx | !hurry |
| 04:35.26 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 04:35.40 | Vaske_Car | :) |
| 04:36.10 | myren | the only difference between ubuntu and debian is that ubuntu as a community treats you like an end user and debian expects you to learn linux |
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| 04:36.17 | Vaske_Car | did anybody try to install XaraXtreme on Debian? |
| 04:36.28 | myren | does anyone have any idea what that is? |
| 04:36.32 | stew | myren: only difference? |
| 04:36.34 | Wyzard | It's a vector editor |
| 04:36.40 | Wyzard | Vaske_Car: I installed it and it seems to work fine |
| 04:36.49 | Wyzard | Vaske_Car: Inkscape seems more featureful though |
| 04:36.52 | Vaske_Car | How it is comparing to Windows version? |
| 04:36.52 | myren | stew: there's a couple package differences |
| 04:37.10 | Wyzard | Vaske_Car: I've never used the Windows version... I'm not an artist |
| 04:37.18 | Vaske_Car | ok |
| 04:37.22 | myren | i really dont understand what the ubuntu/debian deal is. i really dont see much difference between the distros |
| 04:37.31 | Wyzard | Vaske_Car: You could install it and try it out yourself |
| 04:37.46 | Vaske_Car | I will |
| 04:37.57 | Wyzard | myren: Ubuntu puts more focus on keeping up-to-date with current software, and less on maintaining stability at all costs |
| 04:38.07 | Vaske_Car | Can I use java, flash. mp3, windows media, real media etc on Debian? |
| 04:38.21 | Wyzard | Vaske_Car: If you install the appropriate non-free software, yes |
| 04:38.24 | Vaske_Car | I want to finnaly get rid of Windows |
| 04:38.47 | myren | Wyzard: thats a weird note, considering the periodic release schedule of ubuntu v. debian's unstable |
| 04:38.55 | Wyzard | Vaske_Car: though Windows Media is supported only by using the Windows DLLs, which is probably in violation of the license |
| 04:39.10 | Wyzard | myren: I'm not sure what you mean by that |
| 04:39.50 | Wyzard | myren: Ubuntu releases more often than Debian and with more-current software, but without quite as much QC |
| 04:40.00 | Vaske_Car | I see |
| 04:40.08 | ChrisWhite | Vaske_Car: I've tried XaraExtreme on linux itself, and yes it's pretty awesome |
| 04:40.34 | Vaske_Car | I saw Freespire that support all codecs so i tought that it can be installed on other operating systems as well |
| 04:40.52 | Wyzard | myren: The package for that is only available from an unofficial repository maintained by someone else, because Debian can't legally distribute Microsoft's DLLs |
| 04:40.58 | Vaske_Car | ChrisWhite: did you ever use Windows version of Xara? |
| 04:40.58 | myren | Wyzard: debian is more up to date because its up to date series is not coordinated by releases |
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| 04:41.10 | Wyzard | Vaske_Car: That's true for any Linux distro, not just Debian |
| 04:41.24 | ChrisWhite | Vaske_Car: nope, not personally |
| 04:41.32 | ChrisWhite | Vaske_Car: just the linux version because it seemed interesting |
| 04:41.34 | Wyzard | Vaske_Car: Some are willing to take the legal risk and distribute the codecs themselves; some aren't |
| 04:41.40 | Vaske_Car | Would you guys help me if I install Debian? |
| 04:41.53 | Wyzard | myren: You're talking about unstable, which is not a release |
| 04:42.09 | Wyzard | myren: I'm talking about official releases |
| 04:42.29 | stew | Vaske_Car: certainly we, and its practically the only way we would |
| 04:42.36 | stew | s/we// |
| 04:42.42 | myren | disregarding debian's distribution policy is a pretty poor way to compare distribution mechanisms |
| 04:42.58 | grendal_prime | im looking into openswan.. |
| 04:43.05 | myren | good luck |
| 04:43.05 | grendal_prime | looks pretty simple actually |
| 04:43.26 | grendal_prime | and debian kernels have whats nessary for it to run. |
| 04:43.26 | Vaske_Car | so as I understood you Debian is more oriented to stable and bug free releases while Ubuntu force more new applications |
| 04:43.49 | grendal_prime | UBUNTU ROCKS !!! untill it doesnt |
| 04:43.55 | grendal_prime | then it sucks...bummer |
| 04:43.55 | myren | grendal_prime: yes, nat_t is fucking sweet |
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| 04:44.12 | grendal_prime | nat_t? |
| 04:44.25 | Wyzard | myren: Comparing one distribution's supported, stable releases to another distribution's un-QCed development branch is a pretty poor way to compare distributions |
| 04:44.41 | nn | what's a good size for boot partition (kernels/modules/bootsplash) for a 512mb flash device? 16mb? I wanna use maybe a (for-the-most-part) read-only romfs of some sort on it, then maybe jffs on the rest of the device? |
| 04:45.05 | myren | Wyzard: its not debian's fault ubuntu's bleeding edge is weird and periodic. i'd say for most-recent-software, you'd have to compare ubuntu betas and unstable. |
| 04:45.07 | stew | nn: why do you want a separate boot bartition at all? |
| 04:45.14 | myren | otherwise you're not talking about up to date software at all |
| 04:45.24 | Vaske_Car | Is there Debian LIVEDC avaiable? |
| 04:45.29 | Vaske_Car | LIVECD** |
| 04:45.39 | nn | stew: because i can stuff all that in a compressed ro fs |
| 04:45.47 | nn | stew: and save a little space |
| 04:45.50 | grendal_prime | knopix is basically just that Vaske_Car |
| 04:45.51 | myren | i have a process that wont die |
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| 04:45.53 | stew | Vaske_Car: not really yet, there is live.debian.net but it is a work in progress |
| 04:45.57 | myren | kill -9 is not killing it |
| 04:45.59 | Wyzard | hmm, one of the batteries in my cordless keyboard is leaking and it's running out of power... brb while I replace it |
| 04:45.59 | myren | ps stalls |
| 04:46.01 | myren | WTF WTF |
| 04:46.16 | nn | stew: unless recently the kernel has been changed to be mmap()'able |
| 04:46.18 | grendal_prime | myren, kill if with a 1 man |
| 04:46.21 | myren | yaay, victory by default. ;) |
| 04:46.24 | nn | which i kind of doubt |
| 04:46.33 | myren | grendal_prime: with a what? |
| 04:46.39 | grendal_prime | 1 |
| 04:46.47 | stew | nn: 16mb should be plenty |
| 04:46.53 | nn | stew: thats what i was thinkin |
| 04:46.54 | myren | kill -1 ? |
| 04:47.02 | nn | stew: maybe too much.. |
| 04:47.04 | grendal_prime | fk ya |
| 04:47.14 | `ns` | heck, 640k ought to be enough for anyone :) |
| 04:47.20 | myren | no dice on kill -1 either. :/ |
| 04:47.25 | nn | i've got 512mb, basically wanting to set up a complete server on a stick, and the ability to recover NT passwords sometimes |
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| 04:47.36 | Vaske_Car | Is this KDE4?? http://kenmaster.blogsome.com/wp-admin/images/kde4.jpg |
| 04:47.37 | nn | it's one of those -tiny- thumbdrives |
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| 04:48.01 | myren | i believe you and the usb stick you got in a cereal box are looking for the #l33t-h4x0rs channel |
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| 04:51.02 | Wyzard | myren: It's true that sid and Ubuntu are similar in their current-ness, but sid is not a valid alternative to Ubuntu for most users who just want an up-to-date desktop system |
| 04:51.45 | Wyzard | myren: For ordinary non-technical users you have to compare stable releases, things that don't change on a daily basis and occasionally break in the process |
| 04:52.40 | myren | Wyzard: aka debian expects you to become a linux user and use pinning &c & manage your packages, and ubuntu lets you be an end user |
| 04:53.27 | myren | but c'mon, after enough months & years of having unstable pinned on testing, everyone feels the weakness, everyone gives in, and eventually runs unstable |
| 04:53.33 | Wyzard | myren: *Unstable* expects you to become an experienced user |
| 04:53.36 | myren | if only because it makes aptitude that much faster. :) |
| 04:53.49 | Wyzard | You're talking as if unstable is Debian's main product and the releases are just secondary curiosities |
| 04:54.03 | Wyzard | Many people here in #debian run sid on their personal desktops, sure |
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| 04:54.37 | deceptacon | is there a gui tool for editing the scripts in /etc/rcx.d/ |
| 04:54.46 | brownie17 | why would i get the following error when trying to 'make a file'? |
| 04:54.47 | Wyzard | but things like servers are much more likely to run stable |
| 04:54.47 | brownie17 | "/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/source: No such file or directory." |
| 04:54.52 | myren | fucking ass computer isnt even shutting down |
| 04:54.56 | myren | is this a kernel bug or what? |
| 04:54.58 | Wyzard | deceptacon: your GUI text editor of choice |
| 04:55.01 | myren | why is this @!#$@#$ process not going away |
| 04:55.01 | stew | myren: you have a computer in your ass? |
| 04:55.04 | jetscreamer | Wyzard: it is and they are, didn't you know? |
| 04:55.14 | pickcoder | brownie17: you need to install linux-source for 2.6.8-3 |
| 04:55.17 | myren | stew, at least its not an ass fucking computer |
| 04:55.31 | stew | myren: you seeemed to imply it might be |
| 04:55.39 | myren | in this case, a fucking ass computer, its got just the perfect ass for fucking |
| 04:55.44 | stew | deceptacon: if you just want to be able to enable/disable stuff, there is rcconf |
| 04:55.50 | myren | or an ass in the act of being, oh nm |
| 04:55.58 | myren | but ah, its not rebooting |
| 04:56.02 | deceptacon | stew: is that gui interface or command line ? |
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| 04:56.12 | myren | shutdown -r now.... The system is going down for reboot... NEVER!! |
| 04:56.35 | myren | seriously, how does a proess hang THIS badly |
| 04:56.36 | brownie17 | pickcoder, "sudo apt-cache search linux source" brings up no results |
| 04:56.36 | stew | deceptacon: its ncurses |
| 04:56.52 | pickcoder | brownie17: you need to install kernel-source for 2.6.8-3 |
| 04:56.56 | pickcoder | :P |
| 04:57.02 | deceptacon | stew: what? |
| 04:57.03 | pickcoder | the package name changed on Etch |
| 04:57.24 | stew | deceptacon: its based on ncurses, which is a text based gui of sorts |
| 04:57.26 | jetscreamer | libncurses5-dev |
| 04:57.29 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 04:57.37 | deceptacon | you mean like dselect? |
| 04:57.40 | stew | yes |
| 04:57.43 | deceptacon | i see |
| 04:57.47 | deceptacon | that will do |
| 04:57.48 | stew | dselect uses the same library |
| 04:57.55 | stew | deceptacon: or like make menuconfig |
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| 04:58.17 | cjones | could someone help out a newb |
| 04:58.30 | deceptacon | so i can get a package named 'ncurses' ? |
| 04:58.34 | Wyzard | cjones: only if you ask a question |
| 04:58.35 | cjones | i am trying to install firefox |
| 04:58.48 | tenzing_ | hi.. i am using debian etch with the kde desktop. whenever i connect my usb drive i get an error dailog saying this (http://pastebin.ca/178281) and the automount fails .. please help |
| 04:58.53 | nn | wow in 5 minutes i feel like i scrubbed off 5 pounds of dirt |
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| 04:59.09 | jerware | hi |
| 05:00.04 | Wyzard | tenzing_: You need to add your account to the "plugdev" group |
| 05:00.05 | jetscreamer | cjones: it's either apt-get install mozilla-firefox or firefox |
| 05:00.19 | jetscreamer | depending on if etch or sarge |
| 05:00.31 | cjones | thank you |
| 05:00.33 | jetscreamer | both work in etch, sarge is mozilla-firefox iirc |
| 05:00.35 | tenzing_ | Wyzard: you mean i have to be in the "plugdev" group? |
| 05:00.39 | Wyzard | right |
| 05:00.47 | tenzing_ | ok .. thanks |
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| 05:01.14 | nn | stew: tx for help, gotta photo shoot to do :) |
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| 05:01.28 | jetscreamer | jphoto==ppl ? |
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| 05:03.03 | cjones | what is the diff betewwn satge and etch |
| 05:03.28 | cjones | between |
| 05:03.29 | Wyzard | cjones: sarge is the current stable release; etch is the testing ground for what will eventually be the next stable release |
| 05:04.14 | cjones | so there are three ver sarge etch and ..? |
| 05:04.37 | Wyzard | sid, aka "unstable", which is where things go before they go into etch |
| 05:04.48 | cjones | thank you |
| 05:05.07 | Wyzard | new packages to into unstable; after spending awhile there without any major bugs being found, they move into testing |
| 05:05.28 | cjones | so to switch from one to anuther do you just change your repo's |
| 05:05.47 | Wyzard | To upgrade from stable to testing or from testing to unstable, yes |
| 05:05.50 | Wyzard | You can't downgrade |
| 05:06.54 | cjones | ok |
| 05:08.14 | cjones | if i want to install something that was made for ubuntu and it doesent work what should i do ? |
| 05:08.25 | Wyzard | Don't install Ubuntu packages on Debian |
| 05:08.36 | Wyzard | or at least, you're on your own if you do |
| 05:08.40 | Wyzard | That's not supported |
| 05:08.50 | tenzing_ | Wyzard: i am already in plugdev |
| 05:09.15 | stew | cjones: "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" but instead of using an unstable deb-src, use a ubuntu deb-src line |
| 05:09.22 | Wyzard | If you're looking for a newer version of something to run on stable, see http://www.backports.org/ |
| 05:09.38 | tenzing_ | Wyzard: but the error persists |
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| 05:09.48 | Wyzard | tenzing_: Check the BTS, then |
| 05:09.53 | cjones | do you know how to get the non-free codecs in automatix ..i dont live in the states |
| 05:09.55 | cjones | >? |
| 05:10.11 | Wyzard | cjones: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 05:10.23 | myren | there's also pinning, whcih is highly recommended if you start adding multiple packages |
| 05:10.49 | Wyzard | tenzing_: I've seen a similar message when trying to get suspend working on my laptop, and it was solved by adding myself to the "powerdev" group to get permission to control power states through udev |
| 05:11.07 | Wyzard | tenzing_: but plugdev is supposed to have permission to mount removable storage devices, so I guess you found a bug |
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| 05:12.12 | Wyzard | cjones: You probably want the "w32codecs" package from debian-multimedia |
| 05:13.06 | tenzing_ | Wyzard: adding myself to "powerdev" doesnt work either |
| 05:13.31 | Wyzard | tenzing_: No, powerdev has nothing to do with USB storage devices |
| 05:13.54 | tenzing_ | ohhh |
| 05:14.08 | tenzing_ | is it a bug then?? |
| 05:14.15 | Wyzard | seems like it |
| 05:14.40 | Wyzard | That's why I said to check the BTS |
| 05:14.44 | Wyzard | for the "hal" package |
| 05:14.48 | tenzing_ | ok |
| 05:14.50 | Wyzard | or "udev" |
| 05:14.57 | Wyzard | actually, it's more likely for udev |
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| 05:15.17 | cjones | ok |
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| 05:17.49 | Wyzard | Here's something that's been confusing me lately |
| 05:17.58 | Wyzard | There are GNOME 2.16 packages being staged in experimental |
| 05:18.15 | Wyzard | Some of them depend on "libc6 >= 2.4" |
| 05:18.30 | Wyzard | but the latest libc6 in Debian is 2.3.999.2-11, also in experimental |
| 05:19.09 | cjones | sorry i gor got but what is the command to mod your sources.list file ? |
| 05:19.23 | Wyzard | How would those packages come to depend on that nonexistent version of the libc6 package? |
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| 05:19.45 | Wyzard | cjones: Use a text editor (nano, vi, emacs, etc.) on /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:20.03 | Wyzard | cjones: You don't need a special command for it, though you need to run "apt-get update" when you're done |
| 05:24.47 | brownie17 | why would i get the following error when trying to 'make a file'? |
| 05:24.50 | brownie17 | "/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/source: No such file or directory." |
| 05:24.51 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: because when they were built, they were built against that version of libc6, which may not actually be in the archive. |
| 05:25.13 | cjones | wyzard |
| 05:25.16 | cjones | wyzard thanks |
| 05:25.22 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: so the maintainer has a libc6 installed that hasn't been uploaded yet |
| 05:25.28 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: quite possibly |
| 05:25.31 | Wyzard | grr :-) |
| 05:25.50 | Wyzard | makes it hard for me to test those packages... oh well |
| 05:25.52 | dondelelcaro | or it could be a libc6 that hasn't gone through NEW, or any number of things... which gnome package in particular? |
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| 05:27.15 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: There are several and I don't remember the list, but eog is one of them |
| 05:27.17 | jshriver | does Debian support 4 CPU's out of the box? |
| 05:27.33 | brownie17 | for some reason, although i have installed the kernel source files, i get this message when i'm trying to 'make' a file: "/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/source: No such file or directory." |
| 05:28.20 | stew | jshriver: no, but its easy to install a kernel that supports SMP as soon as the install is complete |
| 05:28.26 | jetscreamer | jshriver: think so. you may need to install a -smp kernel |
| 05:28.33 | jshriver | ok will do |
| 05:28.39 | jetscreamer | i heard all the linux-images come with smp now |
| 05:28.42 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: gnome-keyring-manager is another |
| 05:28.45 | jshriver | I'm playing around with qemu.. and when I tried -smp 4 it chocked heh |
| 05:28.47 | stew | jshriver: which cpus? |
| 05:29.05 | jshriver | virtualized ones.. so nothing nice. But a friend as a 8core system |
| 05:29.10 | jshriver | think opterons |
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| 05:29.53 | ArrenLex | Just as a curiosity, if you have more than one CPU, and you cat /proc/cpuinfo, what does it display? All of them? The first one? What if you're not running an -smp kernel? |
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| 05:30.19 | jshriver | it shows all of them |
| 05:30.24 | Wyzard | ArrenLex: On a multi-CPU or multi-core system with an SMP kernel, you see multiple blocks of information, one for each processor |
| 05:30.26 | brownie17 | for some reason, although i have installed the kernel source files, i get this message when i'm trying to 'make' a file: "/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/source: No such file or directory." does anyone know why!? |
| 05:30.30 | jshriver | I run debian on a dual P2 400mhz box |
| 05:30.30 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: yeah, it looks like the non-i386 packages are built against different libc6 versions |
| 05:30.32 | Wyzard | ArrenLex: Without an SMP kernel, you only see the first processor |
| 05:30.42 | ArrenLex | Awesome. Thanks. |
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| 05:32.35 | cjones | one last thing in windows there is a setting that powers off the moniter after so meney secs how do you do this in debian |
| 05:32.55 | dondelelcaro | cjones: it's done in X and the console; in x you use xset +dpms; |
| 05:33.11 | dondelelcaro | (generally it's on automatically) |
| 05:33.14 | cjones | is that in terminal? |
| 05:33.22 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: I haven't found any info on the web about the plans for 2.4 in Debian, but I did find some comments saying that there are some challenges with it |
| 05:33.35 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: and possibly that it drops support for 2.4 kernels, IIRC |
| 05:33.48 | cjones | thanks should have read it all |
| 05:34.12 | dondelelcaro | cjones: man xset; if you want the full details on how to adjust when it gets flipped on |
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| 05:34.48 | cjones | ok thanks |
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| 05:35.04 | cjones | sorry for being such a newb |
| 05:35.10 | brownie17 | i watched ichi the killer the other day. that movie was sick |
| 05:35.17 | cjones | but ubuntu sucks |
| 05:35.27 | cjones | and i am sick if win |
| 05:36.18 | dondelelcaro | cjones: nah, it's fine. We're here to answer questions; so long as you don't mind reading manuals too, questions are ok. |
| 05:36.45 | jshriver | just noticed the latest debian installer uses ext3 now instead of 2 |
| 05:37.13 | dondelelcaro | jshriver: you can actually select whatever you want; it just defaults to ext3 |
| 05:38.21 | jshriver | nifty, it's been a while since I did a fresh install of debian.. |
| 05:38.38 | jshriver | I have a couple machines here who've been running for a couple years with only apt-get upgrades |
| 05:40.15 | dondelelcaro | yeah, I'm not much of an expert on the installer either... the nice thing about it it's pretty easy to drop to a console and do the install manually |
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| 05:59.15 | Makro___________ | hello |
| 05:59.46 | Tallu| | Hello. |
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| 06:00.33 | Makro___________ | i `m getting diconnected from the internet at random lapsus of time, it can be some option in the pppoe config? |
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| 06:04.05 | myren | yeah, tell your isp to turn off the suck feature |
| 06:04.25 | streuner | !nickometer Makro___________ |
| 06:04.26 | dpkg | 'Makro___________' is 99.9908% lame, streuner |
| 06:04.33 | myren | !nockmeter dpkg |
| 06:04.37 | myren | !nickometer dpkg |
| 06:04.39 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, myren |
| 06:04.46 | Makro___________ | myren: the "suck feature"??? |
| 06:06.01 | Makro___________ | !nickometer myren |
| 06:06.03 | dpkg | 'myren' is 0.000% lame, makro___________ |
| 06:06.19 | amphi | Makro___________: your tail is too long |
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| 06:06.46 | Pons | !nickometer Pons |
| 06:06.47 | dpkg | 'Pons' is 0.000% lame, pons |
| 06:06.51 | Makro___________ | amphi: yes, that happens because i `m getinng connceted and disconnected at random lapsus of time |
| 06:07.42 | Makro___________ | amphi: so every time i come in again and somebody has my nick, is another tail more long that before |
| 06:07.46 | Makro___________ | than |
| 06:08.19 | Makro___________ | so, somebody has this rpoblem in some moment and know or remember how to fix it? |
| 06:08.27 | amphi | Makro___________: just ghost your original nick, and use it |
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| 06:08.35 | myren | what is ghosting your nick? |
| 06:08.41 | Pons | Makro___________, /msg nickserv ghost nick password |
| 06:08.52 | amphi | myren: /msg nickserv ghost help |
| 06:08.59 | Pons | it will kill the ghost that your isp's "suck" feature left |
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| 06:10.14 | Makro___________ | amh..and what is that "suck feature" |
| 06:10.23 | Makro___________ | oh i see |
| 06:10.28 | Xorm | Automatically vacuums your room? |
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| 06:10.36 | myren | pardon, it was a joke |
| 06:11.07 | Pons | Xorm, they will charge a plus if it did that |
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| 06:11.44 | sticky | good god @ Makro___________'s long name |
| 06:11.59 | Makro___________ | /msg nickserv ghost Makro__________password |
| 06:11.59 | Makro___________ | 14:27:56 |
| 06:11.59 | Makro___________ | bReNda |
| 06:11.59 | Makro___________ | mario habra que buscar otra parte en donde trabajar |
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| 06:12.06 | sticky | pwnd |
| 06:12.12 | SpComb | problem solved |
| 06:12.15 | sticky | indeed |
| 06:12.15 | Pons | lol |
| 06:12.16 | Pons | xD |
| 06:12.25 | grendal_prime | damn..opwnswan...its kinda a ...well long ass config on that bad boy |
| 06:12.32 | grendal_prime | openswan that is |
| 06:12.42 | myren | um |
| 06:12.44 | myren | hi again |
| 06:12.49 | myren | as i was saying before, |
| 06:12.51 | myren | good fucking luck |
| 06:12.57 | grendal_prime | i just wanted a vpn server that would alow windows to connect. |
| 06:13.13 | myren | oooooh, windows. yeah, uh, windows ipsec support == asscrack |
| 06:13.15 | myren | actually |
| 06:13.22 | Pons | i use openvpn |
| 06:13.22 | myren | win ipsec support <<<<<<< asscrack |
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| 06:13.33 | Pons | and openvpn's client for windows |
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| 06:13.53 | myren | calling openvpn a vpn is like calling a wristwatching a computer |
| 06:14.09 | grendal_prime | ya but the, customer wants the windows default vpn app. |
| 06:14.22 | grendal_prime | ya openvpn...i dont know how well it scales |
| 06:14.25 | SpComb | oh, I think I know what Marko's nickserv password is now |
| 06:14.26 | myren | PPTP or LT2P or whatever that other dealy is |
| 06:14.46 | myren | windows supports them tolerably and not much else |
| 06:14.49 | Pons | SpComb, Makro.. and no.. it is not bReNda |
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| 06:15.03 | SpComb | have you tried? |
| 06:15.10 | grendal_prime | i had problems with it and..well 4 clients..this client is talking about hundreds... |
| 06:15.15 | Pons | why do you think i tell you |
| 06:15.25 | myren | grendal_prime: no no no no. not without serious dedicated hardware. |
| 06:15.36 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 06:15.40 | grendal_prime | they got it |
| 06:15.45 | grendal_prime | hmmm |
| 06:16.08 | Pons | have any of you compiled 2.6.18 with success? |
| 06:16.52 | Tallu | Pons: yeah |
| 06:17.06 | Pons | Tallu, you don't use lirc, do you? |
| 06:17.33 | Tallu | Pons: dont know, really! |
| 06:17.46 | Pons | damn it.. |
| 06:18.02 | Pons | do you know if they deleted devfs compatibility? |
| 06:18.58 | stew | Pons: it was removed as of 2.6.13 |
| 06:19.03 | wols_ | they did. it's in the changelog |
| 06:19.04 | wols_ | no more devfs |
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| 06:19.19 | Pons | but, why the hell i can't compile lirc! |
| 06:19.35 | Pons | error: linux/devfs_fs_kernel.h: File not found |
| 06:19.39 | Pons | it was in 2.6.17 |
| 06:19.43 | Pons | but not now |
| 06:19.48 | wols_ | stew: no, they removed it when moving from 27 to .18 |
| 06:19.58 | wols_ | *17 |
| 06:20.07 | Pons | oh.. that explains the trouble.. |
| 06:20.10 | Pons | fuck |
| 06:20.12 | Pons | :( |
| 06:20.21 | stew | wols_: huh? its been gone since 2.6.13 |
| 06:20.56 | Pons | stew, maybe they did the final clean-up in 2.6.18 |
| 06:21.43 | wols_ | it was declared obsolte a lot earlier tho |
| 06:21.53 | Pons | god damnit |
| 06:22.02 | wols_ | so lirc people should have changed their code if it depends on devfs |
| 06:22.43 | Pons | i know |
| 06:22.45 | Pons | but they didn't |
| 06:23.00 | stew | Pons: submit a patch! |
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| 06:23.06 | Pons | at least in 0.8.0 (latest stable) nor 0.8.1-pre |
| 06:23.19 | Pons | stew, i'd like to, but i dunno much about modules |
| 06:24.00 | stew | delete the include, see what breaks |
| 06:24.00 | grendal_prime | this is probably a stupid question but what exactly is devfs? |
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| 06:24.01 | Pons | i think most will break |
| 06:24.01 | stew | !devfs |
| 06:24.01 | dpkg | it has been said that devfs is obsolete and was [basically] removed from Linux from 2.6.13, or ask me about devfs faq |
| 06:24.05 | Pons | !devfs faw |
| 06:24.06 | Pons | !devfs fawq |
| 06:24.07 | Pons | !devfs faq |
| 06:24.07 | dpkg | hmm... devfs faq is at http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~rgooch/linux/docs/devfs.html |
| 06:24.10 | Pons | fuck |
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| 06:24.21 | Pons | stew |
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| 06:24.48 | Pons | do you know how gcc whould discriminate between a 2.6.x branch from a 2.6.18 branch? |
| 06:25.00 | Pons | because i'd like to submit a patch for other module |
| 06:25.04 | Pons | that broke in 2.6.18 |
| 06:25.30 | stew | Pons: i'm not sure i understand the question. gcc does discriminate |
| 06:25.31 | wols_ | gcc usually won't care what kernel |
| 06:25.48 | Pons | i mean during the compile process of a module |
| 06:25.57 | Pons | let me explain it better |
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| 06:26.29 | Pons | acx module |
| 06:26.41 | Pons | for wireless cards using acx1xx chipset |
| 06:26.53 | Pons | is needing uts_release |
| 06:26.57 | Pons | that was in version.h |
| 06:27.07 | Pons | and it is now in utsrelease.h |
| 06:27.41 | Pons | so i'd like that when compiling, if it is a 2.6.18, it would include utsrelease.h, and if not, it didn't |
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| 06:28.32 | wols_ | that has nothing to do with gcc. you need to edit your sources, that's all |
| 06:28.37 | chius | hello |
| 06:28.55 | Pons | wols_, but i mean.. how! |
| 06:29.19 | chius | greetings from germany..I have a question.... do you know how can I know if my webcam logitech quickam works using the console? |
| 06:29.24 | wols_ | by copying the variable you need to the place you need or ask the wireless folks for an update/patch |
| 06:30.14 | Pons | #if LINUX_VERSION_CODE < KERNEL_VERSION(2,6,0) |
| 06:30.21 | Pons | that is what i meant |
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| 06:31.01 | Pons | #if LINUX_VERSION_CODE > KERNEL_VERSION(2,6,17) |
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| 06:32.43 | KlemenS | hey, can somebody tell me is there maybe any debian packet for dspam ? tnx |
| 06:33.02 | tralala | KlemenS: aptitude can |
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| 06:34.02 | stew | KlemenS: not for stable |
| 06:34.31 | KlemenS | aha, its just for unstable? than ill try it on my unstable test server :) |
| 06:34.43 | stew | KlemenS: /msg dpkg search |
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| 06:36.00 | Pons | :D |
| 06:36.05 | Pons | i made a patch ! :D |
| 06:36.07 | Pons | i'm happy |
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| 06:39.01 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:39.02 | dpkg | <reality> whats the debian package with all the build essentials? |
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| 06:44.17 | Xorm | !dpkg apt-get unstable |
| 06:44.23 | Xorm | wut wut |
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| 06:46.03 | enouf | !lart Xorm |
| 06:46.21 | Xorm | =| |
| 06:46.37 | enouf | !sid |
| 06:46.37 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 06:46.55 | Xorm | uhh. |
| 06:47.06 | enouf | duh |
| 06:47.07 | Xorm | I wanted to install a package that's currently unstab;e. |
| 06:47.28 | enouf | !sid backport |
| 06:47.41 | enouf | !simple sid backport |
| 06:47.41 | dpkg | i guess simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 06:48.05 | Xorm | aha. |
| 06:48.16 | enouf | y e s :-O |
| 06:48.18 | Pons | life doesn't like me |
| 06:48.23 | Xorm | why not? |
| 06:48.25 | Pons | debian doesn't like me |
| 06:48.45 | Pons | lirc's cvs (that have the 2.6.18 issue fixed) |
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| 06:48.49 | Pons | need automake 1.5 |
| 06:49.00 | Pons | and debian etch has 1.4 and 1.7 |
| 06:49.21 | Pons | none of this work |
| 06:49.27 | Pons | and it is late.. |
| 06:49.49 | Pons | i wanted to compile lirc |
| 06:50.01 | Pons | so i could get in to my bed and watch tv |
| 06:50.07 | Pons | i use my pc as my tv |
| 06:50.12 | liable | 1.5? i dont think sid even has that, but 1.7 doesnt do the job? is it >1.5 or =1.5? |
| 06:50.13 | Schmidt | :) |
| 06:50.31 | Pons | it is =1.5 |
| 06:50.40 | Pons | 1.7 gives me other error |
| 06:50.47 | Pons | there is a 1.8 and a 1.9 |
| 06:51.09 | liable | Pons: sid has no 1.5 either, try 1.9 |
| 06:52.13 | tralala | Pons: lirc is in debian - you don't need to compile it |
| 06:52.28 | Pons | i do need to.. i'm using 2.6.18 |
| 06:52.33 | ncp- | a good guide to dualview with debian? |
| 06:52.57 | tralala | Pons: you only need to compile the module which doesn't need automake |
| 06:53.02 | liable | heh, i like that quit /msg :) |
| 06:53.22 | liable | ncp-: two monitors? google xinerama |
| 06:53.49 | ncp- | liable: ok thanks |
| 06:53.56 | Pons | tralala, it is the cvs version |
| 06:54.05 | liable | Pons: try 1.9 |
| 06:54.13 | Pons | configure.in:17: aclocal.m4 with aclocal and run automake again. |
| 06:54.35 | Pons | configure.in:17: comes from Automake 1.4-p6. You should recreate |
| 06:54.35 | Pons | configure.in:17: aclocal.m4 with aclocal and run automake again. |
| 06:54.40 | tralala | Pons: is it required for 2.6.18? If it isn't I would recommend you to go witht the debian version. |
| 06:54.57 | Pons | tralala, i'm doing it because it IS required |
| 06:55.20 | Pons | lirc stable and 2.6.18 don't like each other because devfs is not there anymore |
| 06:55.27 | Pons | so i need the cvs version |
| 06:56.03 | stew | why do you need 2.6.18? |
| 06:56.12 | Pons | good point |
| 06:56.13 | tralala | Pons: you might try to compile only the module then. It shouldn't require automake. The userland from debian should work just fine with the new module |
| 06:56.19 | grendal_prime | k |
| 06:56.21 | grendal_prime | gnight |
| 06:56.30 | stew | Pons: if you were using a debian kernel, you could just be running "m-a a-i lirc-modules" to add lirc-modules to the running kernel |
| 06:57.02 | Pons | lirc actual stable is not compatible with 2.6.18 |
| 06:57.17 | Pons | i compiled 2.6.18 the debianized way |
| 06:57.27 | Pons | but it is not that my deal |
| 06:57.46 | Pons | tralala, cvs version does require automake.. don't ask me why but it does |
| 06:58.39 | tralala | Pons: because it has the module and the userland together. If you can isolate the module you'll be able to compile it without automake. |
| 06:59.14 | Pons | but lirc are like a dozen moduls |
| 06:59.18 | Pons | s/moduls/modules |
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| 06:59.37 | christophe971 | thx4nothing |
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| 06:59.56 | Pons | wtf!? |
| 06:59.59 | litage | is there a particular modem that works "best" with linux 2.6 or debian? |
| 07:00.06 | Pons | well |
| 07:00.10 | Pons | gonna sleep.. |
| 07:00.14 | RedPig | modem? |
| 07:00.17 | wols_ | litage: a AT hayes command set compatible one |
| 07:00.19 | tralala | Pons: you might want compare the sources to lirc-module-source. |
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| 07:00.25 | Pons | good night everybody.. and thanx all |
| 07:00.34 | tralala | Pons: yes, but you only need one for your particular hardware |
| 07:00.35 | Pons | gonna try this tomorrow |
| 07:00.35 | wols_ | litage: like pretty much all external serial modems |
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| 07:01.15 | Pons | goodbye |
| 07:01.27 | RedPig | RIP Pons |
| 07:01.35 | Pons | thx RedPig |
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| 07:01.42 | RedPig | hahaha o.o |
| 07:02.12 | litage | wols_: i'm looking to be able to dial into my box over a phone line. does it matter if the modem's internal or external? |
| 07:02.25 | stew | litage: nope |
| 07:02.40 | wols_ | litage:not necessarily. but you said "best" |
| 07:02.54 | tralala | litage: buy a decent *hardware* modem and you'll be fine |
| 07:02.59 | litage | wols_: true :) thanks |
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| 07:03.15 | wols_ | with an external one less could go wrong, except "I have no legacy RS232C on my mianboard" |
| 07:03.26 | litage | tralala: a hardware modem as opposed to a....software modem? |
| 07:03.45 | tralala | litage: that's right |
| 07:03.46 | wols_ | litage: yes. aka winmodem |
| 07:04.00 | litage | looking up winmodem... |
| 07:04.07 | wols_ | most usb modems an dintegrated modems are of this sort |
| 07:04.19 | cydork | litage: most of the internal modems are winmodems. |
| 07:04.42 | tralala | wols_: actually I've seen an external modem that was either software or was using propriarity communication protocols |
| 07:04.52 | wols_ | tralala: usb? |
| 07:05.00 | tralala | wols_: serial! |
| 07:05.20 | wols_ | good thing I said "AT hayes command set compatible" above then I guess |
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| 07:06.47 | Psai | hi |
| 07:07.01 | myren | hardware modem + usb serial adapter ftw |
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| 07:07.43 | liable | *thwack* |
| 07:07.48 | zmodem | lol |
| 07:08.06 | Psai | i'm really lost and don't where i can find help. So does anybody use ncpmount and could help me copying files > 2GB ? sorry i really don't know where to ask |
| 07:08.12 | yang | backports.org sources are only for sarge ? |
| 07:08.22 | liable | tralala: contradictor! |
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| 07:08.49 | tralala | liable: dictracontor!!!1 |
| 07:08.50 | liable | did i just make that word up? i think i may have.. |
| 07:09.09 | Guerin | liable: no, that's a real live word |
| 07:09.18 | tralala | unlike mine |
| 07:09.26 | litage | Psai: i've never heard of ncpmount, but i'm guessing that there's a problem with the files being >2GB? |
| 07:10.01 | Psai | litage: yes ncpmount is used to acces novell shared files |
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| 07:10.13 | tralala | yang: that's the purpose of it |
| 07:10.15 | litage | Psai: what's the problem with >2GB files? |
| 07:10.19 | Psai | and i've got files >2GB i want to backup but i can't |
| 07:10.40 | Psai | if i try to copy them or rsync, it fail after a while |
| 07:10.42 | Guerin | Psai: why not? Use a real backup system. |
| 07:10.52 | tralala | Psai: some filesystems cannot cope with >2GB files |
| 07:11.02 | Guerin | Psai: if you must, use tar or split to make them smaller |
| 07:11.06 | liable | rsync is real! |
| 07:11.13 | Guerin | tralala: itymk *stupid* filesystems ... |
| 07:11.15 | litage | Psai: how about using tar to split the files into multiple, smaller chunks? |
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| 07:11.21 | Psai | Guerin: you mean ? if there is a another alternative i take it ! |
| 07:11.21 | Guerin | rsync is real, indeed |
| 07:11.23 | Psai | :) |
| 07:11.37 | tralala | liable: just not a filesystem |
| 07:11.44 | Guerin | Psai: what filesystem are the files being backed up to? |
| 07:11.51 | Psai | litage: i'm trying tar right now :) |
| 07:12.03 | liable | tralala: i didnt say it was a filesystem, i was referring to Guerin 's comment :) |
| 07:12.04 | Psai | Guerin: actually on ext3 |
| 07:12.25 | liable | meh, the qotd page is not there anymaore :( |
| 07:12.35 | Guerin | Psai: then something else is the problem, because ext3 can handle files bigger than the Tokyo Phone Book |
| 07:12.42 | Psai | it's an old novell 6 with some files 2.1 GB (arghh) |
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| 07:12.46 | liable | asg: ping |
| 07:13.05 | Psai | yes Guerin : but i've read that ncpmount or ncpfs doesn't support files > 2GB |
| 07:13.18 | Psai | so i thought there was an another way to copy thoses files |
| 07:13.20 | tralala | liable: oh, well I guess by backup system he meant a filesystem |
| 07:13.55 | liable | tralala: maybe.. dunno, but thats what i was on about |
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| 07:14.22 | sjr | How do I find all *.php files in a directory and subdirectories? |
| 07:14.48 | tralala | sjr: by reading carefully man find |
| 07:14.48 | sjr | I can't seem to get find to be recursive if I specify a pattern |
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| 07:15.29 | liable | i must be stupid, but i have always found find's man page a bit baffling :/ |
| 07:15.36 | tralala | sjr: you need to escape the special characters of the pattern to prevent bash from expanding it before it reaches find |
| 07:15.54 | themolester | is there any livecds which detect, and list (or print) detailed info about hardware, and which drivers are required |
| 07:16.04 | sjr | liable, I'm looking at it I have no idea |
| 07:16.17 | sjr | find *.php finds all php files in the current directory |
| 07:16.32 | liable | themolester: knoppix has pretty decent hardware detection, lsmod should give you the clues you require |
| 07:16.32 | themolester | similar to what sjr find ./ -name *.php |
| 07:16.34 | sjr | find by itself finds all files in the all sub directories as well |
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| 07:17.12 | sjr | that doesn't work for me themolester |
| 07:17.21 | sjr | I get path mus preeced expression |
| 07:18.03 | themolester | oh oh... "*.php" |
| 07:18.07 | themolester | my bad |
| 07:18.11 | TARZEAU | !popcon |
| 07:18.12 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:18.13 | tralala | sjr: now that's cleary something you would've known had you bothered to read the manual |
| 07:18.18 | sjr | there we go |
| 07:18.28 | liable | TARZEAU: feeling load again? :P |
| 07:18.33 | sjr | I was reading the manual |
| 07:18.36 | themolester | and yes... its in the man find that somone told you to read |
| 07:18.40 | liable | loud even... |
| 07:18.51 | TARZEAU | liable: no, just that people should know about popcon, since it's very well hidden |
| 07:18.54 | themolester | infact, its in the find --help |
| 07:18.57 | themolester | :) |
| 07:19.09 | liable | TARZEAU: TALKING ABOUT YOUR NICK! :) |
| 07:19.22 | sjr | find is like one of the worst commands ever |
| 07:19.23 | themolester | i rarely look at man, i read --help, then go to google ;-x |
| 07:19.23 | sjr | I hate using it |
| 07:19.32 | TARZEAU | sjr: no it's not |
| 07:19.33 | sjr | it's always so picky |
| 07:19.37 | TARZEAU | sjr: that's your problem. i hate using xargs |
| 07:19.43 | TARZEAU | sjr: no it's not |
| 07:20.28 | tralala | sjr: learn it and you'll love it |
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| 07:23.54 | liable | !tw |
| 07:23.55 | dpkg | [tw] an abbreviation of Taiwan |
| 07:24.12 | Guerin | !tw@ |
| 07:24.13 | dpkg | [tw@] ( What we think of people who use 'gr8' and other such nonsense words. ) |
| 07:24.30 | liable | twat? |
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| 07:24.34 | SlayerXP | oi! that's mine! |
| 07:24.42 | Guerin | SlayerXP: and a goodie it is, too |
| 07:24.45 | SlayerXP | no-one asked me if the bots could be taught it :) |
| 07:24.52 | liable | patent! |
| 07:25.01 | tralala | !patent |
| 07:25.01 | dpkg | from memory, patent is see patents |
| 07:25.03 | sjr | okay according to find it should execute in the current working directory but when I try to run the command it says the files aren't found |
| 07:25.14 | sjr | find: `./itapp/lib/APIService.php': No such file or directory |
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| 07:25.41 | sjr | however that file does exist |
| 07:25.48 | tralala | sjr: find *PATH* pattern |
| 07:26.45 | sjr | hmmm I don't understand, the files are there |
| 07:26.47 | sjr | it found the file |
| 07:26.47 | liable | sjr: if you know where it is, why do you need to find it? :P |
| 07:26.50 | sjr | exec just pukes |
| 07:27.04 | sjr | basically I want to do a syntax check on every php file before I submit to subversion |
| 07:27.05 | yang | I am wondering if my server will reboot with the new kernel, without "initrd" option, the previous was "initrd" ...? |
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| 07:27.15 | en1gma | sup all |
| 07:27.21 | sjr | something like find -name "*.php" -exec php -l \`{}\' \; |
| 07:27.25 | sjr | should work |
| 07:27.34 | sjr | but php says it can't find the file |
| 07:27.37 | liable | yang: if you just compiled it, chances are good that you fucked it up :) |
| 07:27.45 | sjr | and if I get rid of the php -l it just can't find the file |
| 07:28.06 | yang | liable: no, there was an expert compiling it |
| 07:28.17 | yang | liable: but without initrd as i can see |
| 07:28.21 | liable | yang: then blame the xpert |
| 07:28.34 | tralala | don't we all just love experts? |
| 07:28.34 | en1gma | im a slacker (but no one in that channel awake to help me) and in ##linux they are nuts right now...so i come here hoping some kind person can help me even though its not debian related...i have 4 sata drives in a raid0 setup...when i goto install slamd64 im supposed to pick one of the following |
| 07:28.37 | en1gma | 1) Specify sata.s or sata.i at the isolinux prompt if you have a sata drive.2) If you have a sata drive, install sata.s or sata.i, not a/kernel-ide from slackware/a/ |
| 07:28.40 | Guerin | SlayerXP: it's yours |
| 07:28.49 | Guerin | !factinfo tw@ |
| 07:28.49 | dpkg | tw@ -- created by SlayerXP <~mart@burningchrome.demon.co.uk> at Tue Jun 29 12:58:08 2004 (813 days); it has been requested 26 times, last by Guerin, 4m 37s ago. |
| 07:28.54 | en1gma | if someone can tell me what sata.s and sata.i is i would be greeatfull |
| 07:28.59 | yang | liable: also i did dpkg -i kernel ; and i guess it automatically installed it into /vmlinuz , there is no need to re-run grub ? |
| 07:29.06 | SlayerXP | oh :) |
| 07:29.15 | liable | yang: nope, should be good to go |
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| 07:29.25 | chius | Hello |
| 07:29.57 | chius | I have a problem compiling qc-usb driver for a logitech quickcam |
| 07:29.58 | wols_ | yora: do you use RAID? |
| 07:30.08 | liable | en1gma: thats seems very slackware specific.. sorry, i doubt you will get help here |
| 07:30.11 | yang | liable: well i will just boot it and see what happens...there is no other thing that i could try before that |
| 07:30.25 | wols_ | or a shitty controller for your harddisks wher only a binary driver is available? |
| 07:30.25 | cydork | en1gma: install debian amd64 and we will help you :) |
| 07:30.37 | chius | the systes returns an error like http://rafb.net/paste/results/Jvn9Ex28.html |
| 07:30.41 | en1gma | liable i wasnt sure if it was slack specific cause i think sata.s and sata.i comes with kernels |
| 07:30.45 | aardvarq | How do I use make-kpkg to make myself an AMD64 kernel on a regular 32-bit etch? |
| 07:30.48 | insmod | hmmm i upgraded mplayer and now my plugins don't go they are looking for mplayer not gmplayer --- any ideas |
| 07:30.49 | liable | yang: nope, you can check menu.lst , but other than that, just boot and hope |
| 07:30.56 | en1gma | if it is to slack specific i sorry for asking in here |
| 07:31.05 | cydork | en1gma: those are boot options we have no idea about it. |
| 07:31.07 | wols_ | aardvarq: crosscompiler. you need to build a crosscompiler first |
| 07:31.18 | en1gma | ok fellas thnx for the info preciate it |
| 07:31.20 | aardvarq | wols_: build? |
| 07:31.23 | en1gma | have a good one |
| 07:31.30 | wols_ | aardvarq: build yes. as in compile |
| 07:31.34 | liable | en1gma: well, we dont have anything like that on our install, we just boot whatever kernel and away we go :) |
| 07:31.40 | aardvarq | What's wrong with gcc? |
| 07:31.45 | wols_ | yang: you could check the .config to see if everything you need is compiled in |
| 07:31.46 | yang | liable: in /boot/grub/menu.lst there is still the old kernel specified, no new kernel...? |
| 07:32.05 | wols_ | yang: did the expert build you a .deb? |
| 07:32.10 | en1gma | yea ive used debian a few times...and would still prob use it but the installer i find difficult to use... |
| 07:32.11 | tralala | that would be the experts fault |
| 07:32.14 | yang | wols_: yes |
| 07:32.18 | liable | yang: that looks like a problem.. better call the expert :) |
| 07:32.19 | en1gma | thats only complaint i ever had bout debian |
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| 07:32.38 | en1gma | its a nice distro once it running |
| 07:32.39 | wols_ | en1gma: woody installre, sarge installer or etch installer? |
| 07:32.41 | Guerin | en1gma: wtf |
| 07:32.45 | liable | en1gma: try it now, doesnt get much easier :) |
| 07:32.47 | yang | liable: as i said, i haven't runned "grub" after dpkg -i kernel |
| 07:32.52 | en1gma | it would have been a sarge |
| 07:33.02 | Guerin | en1gma: insert disk, reboot, mash enter a few time, s=enter password |
| 07:33.02 | cydork | yang: check if you have postinst_hook in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 07:33.06 | wols_ | yang: you never have to run grub after install. it is not lilo |
| 07:33.07 | Guerin | en1gma: you find that hard? |
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| 07:33.10 | liable | yang: dpkg runs update-grub when it installs (well, it should) |
| 07:33.14 | en1gma | but when i pick an app it makes other apps go green and some red and thats where i get lost |
| 07:33.37 | en1gma | you know where you pick packages when you install deb |
| 07:33.38 | Guerin | en1gma: just aptitude install packageyouwant, and you're done |
| 07:33.50 | yang | cydork: there is only do_initrd = Yes |
| 07:34.06 | liable | en1gma: you better leave before we have you installing debian :) |
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| 07:34.17 | en1gma | it wouldnt surprise me ;) |
| 07:34.25 | en1gma | im sure ill install it again :) sometime |
| 07:34.31 | en1gma | ok fellas take it ez |
| 07:34.32 | cydork | yang: it only updates grub if there is postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub |
| 07:34.32 | en1gma | im out |
| 07:34.36 | epsilon | Atlantis is falling from orbit in 2h |
| 07:34.43 | en1gma | is it really |
| 07:34.46 | chius | no ideas about quickcam drivers? |
| 07:35.23 | aardvarq | Okay, so, I want to build an AMD64 kernel on a regular 32-bit version of etch. You're telling me it's not just flags to gcc and make-kpkg to do this? |
| 07:35.23 | en1gma | [02:34] <epsilon> Atlantis is falling from orbit in 2h what? |
| 07:35.24 | liable | !any ideas? |
| 07:35.24 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little vegemite, and 42 three-legged badgers. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 07:35.24 | cydork | !tell chius about webcam |
| 07:35.25 | yang | cydork: i see, so i guess, i must now run "update-grub" ? |
| 07:35.25 | wols_ | aardvarq: yes I am telling you that. you need a crosscompiler. no other way at all. none |
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| 07:35.34 | cydork | yang: i am going to the bunker cant you see :P |
| 07:35.41 | liable | doesnt make-kpkg have flags for that? |
| 07:35.45 | cydork | yang: and yes you have to run that :) |
| 07:35.51 | aardvarq | wols_: Can you give me more information? |
| 07:35.51 | wols_ | aardvarq: amd64 is a totally different platform even if it looks like the exact same hardware. totally different |
| 07:35.52 | yang | cydork: :) |
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| 07:36.28 | aardvarq | wols_: so you're saying I need to compile a 64-bit version of GCC? |
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| 07:36.39 | wols_ | aardvarq: google for crosscompiler. your current gcc can only build 32bit executabkles, nothing else, so for 64bit you need a different gcc which runs on 32bit but produces 64bit. but: why do you need to build such a kernel on 32bit? |
| 07:36.39 | cydork | liable: na it doesn't . |
| 07:36.50 | cydork | liable: or i dont know about it |
| 07:36.51 | tralala | aardvarq: you're speaking about cross-compiling |
| 07:37.02 | chius | cydork...i am trying to compile the driver for my webcam |
| 07:37.13 | chius | logitech quickcam |
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| 07:37.19 | aardvarq | Okay, perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I know WHAT I'm doing. I want to know HOW to do it. |
| 07:37.22 | chius | but I get this errors |
| 07:37.37 | chius | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Jvn9Ex28.html |
| 07:37.41 | tralala | aardvarq: so what's your question then? |
| 07:37.42 | liable | cydork: --cross-compile foo? |
| 07:37.49 | yang | these are my grub.lst settings, if all is well i should go for boot - http://paste.debian.net/13379 |
| 07:38.08 | wols_ | aardvarq: and maybe I am not making myself clear. I told you what to do 3-4 times by now. and I want to know WHY you want to do it. since you can't use that kernel with your current debian unless you totally reinstall |
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| 07:38.25 | yang | it looks equal to previous kernel |
| 07:38.25 | liable | cydork: also CROSS_COMPILE? |
| 07:38.46 | aardvarq | Yay, you just destroyed your credibility, wols_. Score one for the away team! :) |
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| 07:39.01 | aardvarq | Do five minutes of research, so that you can discover that a 64-bit kernel runs a 32-bit debian fine. |
| 07:39.17 | aardvarq | (on cpu's which support it, if you compile it in) |
| 07:39.18 | cydork | liable: let me rtfm :P |
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| 07:39.39 | aardvarq | (and of course all AMD64's are such CPU's) |
| 07:39.42 | liable | cydork: i havent ever actually done it, but its certainly documented |
| 07:39.47 | cydork | yang: the latest is 2.6.17? then you are good to go. |
| 07:39.48 | wols_ | aardvarq: can you tell me why you'd want to run a 64 bit kernel and only a 32bit userland? |
| 07:40.06 | yang | cydork: thanks ! |
| 07:40.13 | aardvarq | Furthermore, I propose that etch contains all the materials I need to make an AMD64 kernel, from a generic standard 32bit install of etch. |
| 07:40.22 | cydork | liable: in etch that file already has that line. but i remeber in sarge i had to edit it. |
| 07:40.23 | wols_ | of course you can run 32bit programs, but a 64bit kernel only makes sense when you mostly run 64bit programs |
| 07:40.45 | cydork | chius: preety fucked up driver i'll say :) |
| 07:40.52 | wols_ | aardvarq: of course it does. since it includes gcc sources which you can make into a crosscompiler |
| 07:41.21 | wols_ | aardvarq: in short unless you build your own crosscompiler or find someone who has it already done for you: NO 64bit in etch i386 |
| 07:42.01 | wols_ | but since you like insulting me and all others seem to ignore you: solve your problems alone HTH HAND |
| 07:42.05 | cydork | liable: man man kernel-img.conf |
| 07:42.06 | aardvarq | tralala: to answer your question, I need to make an AMD64 kernel on a 32-bit system. I would like to know the flags to pass to gcc/make and make-kpkg to pull this off. My googlings were so far unsuccessful, and this is a common enough problem I figured there might be an AMD64'er in here who knew. |
| 07:42.21 | cydork | s/man man/man/ |
| 07:42.22 | cydork | :P |
| 07:43.43 | liable | cydork: hrm, but i am just talking about the actual compile |
| 07:43.43 | liable | aardvarq: you could try #debian-amd64 also |
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| 07:44.07 | cydork | liable: you have to update-grub after the installation. it's not related to compiling |
| 07:44.08 | wols_ | liable: just tell him the magical gcc flags which give him 64bit output on his i386 gcc |
| 07:44.22 | aardvarq | ah good idea |
| 07:44.38 | tralala | aardvarq: I have cross-compiled a 64 bit kernel on a 32 bit debian. You need to tell make-kpkg to use the 64bit gcc and no extra options |
| 07:44.57 | wols_ | tralala: where to get a 64bit gcc? |
| 07:45.08 | liable | wols_: i dont know, i was just commenting that I had read it in kpkg man page and was actually trying to confirm it for myself :) |
| 07:45.25 | tralala | wols_: you need to compile it yourself |
| 07:45.52 | liable | wols_: hence me discussing with cydork as he seemed to know a bit about it.. |
| 07:46.13 | wols_ | tralala: don't tell me, tell aardvarq . he thinks a simple compiler flag will help him |
| 07:46.22 | liable | cydork: maybe we are.. |
| 07:46.24 | wols_ | he wouldn't beleive me he needs to build his own gcc for it |
| 07:46.28 | simonrvn | hello |
| 07:46.49 | tralala | wols_: you were asking... |
| 07:46.57 | elif | hi people, anyone knows how do I list all latex packages that came with the tetex-base deb pack? |
| 07:47.29 | wols_ | elif: dpkg -L <packagename> lists all files of that package |
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| 07:49.45 | littleball | hello, how to disable oss driver? |
| 07:50.08 | Guerin | littleball: why? |
| 07:50.11 | liable | littleball: running alsaconf normally does it for you |
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| 07:52.25 | tralala | littleball: if you want to prevent it from getting loaded at boottime, you need to blacklist it |
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| 07:56.37 | littleball | tralala, i eencount a problem when runing asterisk. this problem is related to dsp. chan_oss.c:585 setformat: Unable to re-open DSP device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 07:56.40 | littleball | any idea? |
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| 07:57.24 | JeffH_ | what's the best way to upgrade postgresql from debian stable to a newer version? |
| 07:57.37 | tralala | JeffH_: backports |
| 07:57.39 | cydork | JeffH_: use backport |
| 07:57.48 | SlayerXP | JeffH_: apt-get update && apt-get install postgresql |
| 07:58.04 | wols_ | liable: if you run alsa, make sure oss emulation is on |
| 07:58.06 | tralala | SlayerXP: debian *stable* |
| 07:58.07 | niru | hello all |
| 07:58.09 | wols_ | littleball: rather |
| 07:58.11 | cydork | SlayerXP: stable is frozen :P |
| 07:58.19 | SlayerXP | tralala: there may be a security update |
| 07:58.20 | wols_ | littleball: and check /dev/dsp exists of course |
| 07:58.39 | tralala | SlayerXP: this won't qualify as a newer version |
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| 07:59.05 | littleball | /dev/dsp is not there |
| 07:59.08 | littleball | wols_ |
| 07:59.10 | SlayerXP | each to their own semantics |
| 07:59.12 | niru | tralala:what about your knowledge of anaconda in debian |
| 07:59.16 | wols_ | you running udev? |
| 07:59.20 | littleball | no |
| 07:59.20 | JeffH_ | Slayer: I'm talking upgrading from 7.4 to 8.1 |
| 07:59.23 | littleball | root |
| 07:59.31 | Guerin | niru: why would anyone care about anaconda in debian? |
| 07:59.32 | littleball | wols_, no, |
| 07:59.41 | Guerin | niru: debian has debian-installer, which is better. |
| 08:00.05 | wols_ | littleball: man MAKEDEV i guess |
| 08:00.09 | tralala | niru: I prefer python |
| 08:00.18 | cydork | littleball: which version of debian are you running? |
| 08:00.21 | wols_ | I think it's "MAKDEV audio" but not really sure |
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| 08:02.10 | niru | I was asking about the progeny |
| 08:02.13 | JeffH_ | if I use backports is it best to setup an entry in apt.sources and leave it? Or comment it out after I've gotten the package I'm interested in? |
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| 08:02.32 | niru | Who are using anaconda with debian which isnt bad |
| 08:02.52 | niru | can i get anyhelp on anaconda |
| 08:03.03 | niru | that which is related to debian |
| 08:03.39 | tralala | JeffH_: read the info on the backports page - it shows you how to set your apt preferences. If you do that you can leave the backports in the sources.list |
| 08:03.58 | wols_ | JeffH_: read the backports.org documentation |
| 08:04.04 | JeffH_ | cool.. thanks. |
| 08:04.08 | niru | any solution |
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| 08:04.29 | tralala | niru: /msg dpkg repeat |
| 08:04.35 | wols_ | niru: there are no solutions since you haven't aked a real question yet |
| 08:04.59 | wols_ | *asked |
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| 08:05.26 | niru | wols:I want to know what is the Design that anaconda adopted |
| 08:05.30 | niru | I mean |
| 08:05.42 | niru | When anconda work started? |
| 08:05.54 | niru | How they structured it |
| 08:06.16 | wols_ | that is certainly not debian related since RH wrote anaconda, no? |
| 08:06.19 | niru | What all the developers might have thought to add |
| 08:06.21 | wols_ | ask them when they started on it |
| 08:06.49 | wols_ | looking inside developers heads? do you think this is a psychics channel? |
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| 08:07.21 | cydork | niru: they were thinking how to install this freekin system :P |
| 08:07.30 | dondelelcaro | niru: anaconda is redhat's installer. Debian uses d-i. |
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| 08:08.17 | niru | yes I know |
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| 08:08.37 | niru | Could you give me the redhats irc channel |
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| 08:13.26 | tarzeau | niru: #redhat |
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| 08:15.11 | Shadur | Kernel related question: How bad is a "Neighbour table overflow" ? I've been digging through the source and it looks like something in ipv4/route.c triggers the warning, but most of the actual code is way over my head. |
| 08:15.34 | SlayerXP | Shadur: it's this bad <-----------> |
| 08:15.36 | SlayerXP | (not to scale) |
| 08:15.42 | littleball | hello, how to remove soundcore module temperarily? |
| 08:15.50 | SlayerXP | littleball: rmmod |
| 08:15.56 | Shadur | SlayerXP: Har, har, har. |
| 08:16.06 | tarzeau | !seen damog |
| 08:16.06 | dpkg | damog <damog@72.232.199.18> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 8d 10h 56m 17s ago, saying: 'Baby: Good enough :)'. |
| 08:16.49 | littleball | thx SlayrXP |
| 08:16.56 | psycodad | are USB network adapters supported in debina netinstaller ? If yes, is there a list of supported ones somewhere ? |
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| 08:18.57 | JeffH_ | Is there a targeted time for the realease of the next version of debian? |
| 08:19.06 | tarzeau | JeffH_: december 2006 |
| 08:19.09 | wols_ | december |
| 08:19.16 | tarzeau | psycodad: check the linux documentation |
| 08:19.49 | wols_ | psycodad: documentation for the 2.6.8 kernel release. or 2.6.16 if you use that installer |
| 08:19.53 | JeffH_ | sweet.. thanks. |
| 08:19.55 | Shadur | psycodad: If the kernel the installer uses groks it, it'll work. |
| 08:19.57 | k31th | Is there a way to use ntpdate via proxy |
| 08:20.28 | Shadur | k31th: define "via proxy" ? ntp servers are supposed to talk to each other. |
| 08:21.10 | tralala | k31th: no, ntpdate uses UDP communications |
| 08:21.11 | psycodad | Thx for the pointers, I have a box that has bcm gbit nics which are only seen by the edge installer so i want to install over usb and then bake my kernel with the tg3 drivers |
| 08:21.27 | JeffH_ | think I'll just wait till the new release to get postgresql 8.1 |
| 08:21.36 | wols_ | k31th: socat and iptables could probably do it. but dunno about anything readymade |
| 08:21.42 | JeffH_ | what's the new release called? |
| 08:21.45 | psycodad | this is to say i want to install stable/sarge not edge since it will be a production server |
| 08:21.56 | wols_ | psycodad: what gbit nics exactly? |
| 08:21.57 | tralala | JeffH_: etch |
| 08:22.00 | k31th | I have limited outgoing ports 80 443 and incoming |
| 08:22.05 | JeffH_ | nice |
| 08:22.15 | k31th | so... i guess ill set the time by hand! |
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| 08:22.23 | JeffH_ | Is there an upgrade path from sarge to etch? |
| 08:22.39 | wols_ | JeffH_: read the debian manual to see how debian is upgraded |
| 08:23.06 | tralala | JeffH_: aptitude dist-upgrade (provided that you've changed your sources) |
| 08:23.25 | wols_ | psycodad: there are sarge installers with newer kernels. /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 08:23.39 | JeffH_ | cool. |
| 08:24.06 | psycodad | wols_: bcm anything i am looking it up, second.. |
| 08:24.13 | JeffH_ | they cut down the realease time didn't they? wasn't sarge released last summer? |
| 08:25.28 | psycodad | wols_: i normally install over pxe, so you are saying it would be worth a try to get the latest pxe installer or netinstaller iso ? |
| 08:25.29 | JeffH_ | what's the right term setting to use with PuTTY? I'm using xterm right now and occasionally it will freak out and put the prompt in the middle of other text. |
| 08:25.51 | tralala | JeffH_: debian doesn't have release planning |
| 08:25.51 | psycodad | they are bcm 5780 |
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| 08:25.52 | psycodad | this box: http://extranet.fujitsu-siemens.com/vil/pc/vil/primergy/model_line_200/rack_server/ds_prim-rx220.pdf |
| 08:26.05 | simonrvn | !sarge |
| 08:26.06 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 08:26.24 | wols_ | psycodad: both? no integrated ethernet? intel, nvidia, etc? |
| 08:27.29 | psycodad | both are onboard and both are bcm5780, edge installer (about 1 month old) sees them as tg3 while the sarge installer (also about a month old) refuses to load them with tg3 module shipped with the installer |
| 08:28.10 | psycodad | and i have only pci-64 and pci-express slots, else i would have popped in a std. card |
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| 08:28.26 | simonrvn | did you try loading the module needed by hand? |
| 08:29.01 | psycodad | simonrvn: do you mean from the installer where it offers you to select a card since it didn't find one ? yes, it fails. |
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| 08:29.34 | simonrvn | no, by hand, as in modprobe foo in vt2 |
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| 08:30.02 | psycodad | no...i'll try that. Just for learning: what does make the difference between the 2 methods ? |
| 08:30.14 | wols_ | psycodad: the 2.6.16 kernel should then recognize it. back then etch (NOT edge) had the same kernel |
| 08:30.54 | psycodad | wols_: Great news, let me check it this afternoon, and i'll get back and let you know... |
| 08:30.57 | wols_ | psycodad: also, did you use "linux26" with the sarge installer or nothing at the bootpromt |
| 08:31.05 | aardvarq | wols_: The correct answer to my question is "--arch amd64" and "--cross-compile -" must be given to make-kpkg. |
| 08:31.16 | psycodad | wols_: yep, used linux26 |
| 08:31.18 | simonrvn | because using the installer - it uses discover - might auto-detect badly, or you just need another mod, so loading them manually you add some capability |
| 08:31.32 | wols_ | aardvarq: it will not work without a crosscompiler. tralala said so too if you scroll up. |
| 08:31.42 | aardvarq | Um, sorry man. It's done. |
| 08:32.00 | aardvarq | On etch. With nothing except for flags to make-kpkg. |
| 08:32.11 | wols_ | aardvarq: have you booted your new kernel? |
| 08:32.12 | psycodad | wols_, simonrvn : thx for all the pointers i'll check this all out and will get back to either say many thanx or bore you further with my stupid questions ;-) |
| 08:32.23 | simonrvn | np. good luck |
| 08:32.36 | wols_ | aardvarq: and is this a real 64bit kernel, using 64bit registers? all 16 GPRs of it? |
| 08:32.53 | psycodad | wols_: Sorry for messing around with edge, etch and so ... i guess i've mixed this up with some ubuntu stuff.. |
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| 08:33.00 | tralala | aardvarq: out of curiosity now - can you unpack it and run 'file <kernelimage>'? |
| 08:33.15 | aardvarq | of course |
| 08:33.28 | simonrvn | psycodad: you can't mix distros like that |
| 08:33.51 | aardvarq | wols_: I'm not sure what a GPR is, but it would hardly be 64bit if it didn't use 64bit registers! |
| 08:34.01 | simonrvn | oh, and it's 'edgy', not 'edge'; (i ran that until recently ;) |
| 08:34.11 | wols_ | General purpose register. AMD64 has double the amount of i386 |
| 08:34.28 | aardvarq | And I even got to check the box next to "legacy 32-bit support - say y here unless you are 100% sure all of your 32-bit programs have been replaced". |
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| 08:35.08 | tralala | aardvarq: and what does file say about the binary? |
| 08:35.14 | wols_ | aardvarq: so what does the file command say? |
| 08:35.16 | psycodad | simonrvn: as is said sorry, i have been stroken by codename-brain-mess-mania ;-) |
| 08:35.27 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 08:35.44 | simonrvn | no need for sorry, it's all good |
| 08:36.08 | wols_ | tralala: http://gcc.gnu.org/install/specific.html#x86-64-x-x |
| 08:36.08 | psycodad | i guess talking about the new debian vista would be a good warranty for a kick&ban *loL* |
| 08:36.33 | wols_ | tralala: it's a crosscompiler out of the box it seems |
| 08:36.49 | aardvarq | root@smc:/boot# file vmlinuz-2.6.17.shelle vmlinuz-2.6.17.shelle: Linux kernel x86 boot executable RO-rootFS, root_dev 0x301, swap_dev 0x1, Normal VGA |
| 08:37.18 | tralala | wols_: hmm, right I recall the -m64 switch now |
| 08:37.44 | tralala | aardvarq: you're good to go then |
| 08:38.03 | wols_ | wonder when they changed that. not so long ago you needed a crosscompiler |
| 08:38.17 | aardvarq | There's some stuff about amd64 being part of a "set" of architectures that includes i386 in the manpage for make-kpkg. |
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| 08:38.28 | tralala | aardvarq: however running a 64bit kernel and a 32bit userland is often giving you a performance hit rather than a boost |
| 08:38.38 | aardvarq | And some similiar stuff about -march=amd64 in gcc |
| 08:38.55 | wols_ | tralala: remove the "often" |
| 08:39.08 | MojOrow | can somone tell me what to do to make it so the debian does not list every device including unused ones? |
| 08:39.12 | wols_ | with 32bit userland there is basically no benefit |
| 08:39.20 | aardvarq | tralala: yes, but you need it before you can create a 64bit chroot in a 32bit userland, which is the next step to converting an active system to 64bit native. |
| 08:39.46 | wols_ | MojOrow: you mean in /dev ? |
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| 08:39.53 | tralala | aardvarq: why not just install debian amd64?! |
| 08:40.17 | wols_ | tralala: so he doesn't lose his data. he wants a migration |
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| 08:40.33 | aardvarq | right |
| 08:40.33 | MojOrow | yes wols_ |
| 08:40.35 | yggdrasi1 | hello, im tyring to do an install, its a desktop and the installer keeps crashig when trying to load card services. i dont have card services is there some switch i can do to make it not load that in the installer ? |
| 08:40.45 | wols_ | MojOrow: use udev (not possible in sarge) |
| 08:40.58 | littleball | hello, what is udev? lsof return udev... |
| 08:41.00 | MojOrow | why not? |
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| 08:41.15 | fgess | can someone tell me why I can't write to my USB stick from debian? I can show you the permissions line from /etc/fstab |
| 08:41.17 | wols_ | cause it's not available in sarge and won't ever be |
| 08:41.19 | tralala | wols_: I think I've seen some benchmarks about some apps that actually can benefit from a 64bit kernel but I wouldn't bet my head on it |
| 08:41.34 | MojOrow | hmm |
| 08:41.38 | tralala | wols_, aardvarq: there is also a backup-restore process |
| 08:41.51 | MojOrow | well what do i do to getthings running nicly in that respect |
| 08:41.54 | wols_ | tralala: only thing I can think of: you have >4GB ram and several processes that need 3GB or so each |
| 08:41.55 | aardvarq | Well in theory you could run a subset of applications in the 64-bit chroot, like for example mysql. |
| 08:42.07 | wols_ | MojOrow: etch. and luck |
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| 08:42.33 | aardvarq | tralala: mission-critical system. I'm supposed to minimize downtime. |
| 08:42.34 | tralala | of course if you need to migrate a 24/7 server this might be a better way (as in less downtime) to go |
| 08:42.47 | tralala | aardvarq: I see :) |
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| 08:44.00 | aardvarq | Which is why I am not rebooting the machine to the 64-bit kernel until I am onsite tomorrow where I can intercept grub if I borked it somehow. |
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| 08:45.13 | nelf | I'm running testing and I've got a module loading at boot time (evbug) that I don't want. How do I prevent this loading? |
| 08:45.24 | aardvarq | Anyways, thanks for the help, and remember "--arch amd64" and "--cross-compile -". :-) |
| 08:45.33 | MojOrow | why did they get rid of udev in sarge? |
| 08:45.44 | tralala | aardvarq: When I ran a 64bit kernel over a 32bit userland some programs could not communicate with the drivers - alsamixer for example. You might face similar problems. |
| 08:46.34 | tralala | nelf: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 08:46.47 | yggdrasi1 | hello, im tyring to do an install, its a desktop and the installer keeps crashig when trying to load card services. i dont have card services is there some switch i can do to make it not load that in the installer ? |
| 08:47.17 | aardvarq | Hmm... it's just a web/sql server. My guess would be that there won't be too much userland/driver interaction, I think. There's another box that is doing some audio streaming, but I'm not touching it tonight. |
| 08:47.20 | nelf | tralala: Great, thanks |
| 08:47.33 | tralala | yggdrasi1: I think the installation asks for pcmcia support |
| 08:48.11 | tralala | aardvarq: good luck then and let us know about the progress |
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| 08:48.37 | yggdrasi1 | so theres no way to shut that off ? |
| 08:50.11 | liable | MojOrow: eh? udev is in sarge.. |
| 08:50.30 | tralala | yggdrasi1: just say no for the pcmcia |
| 08:50.34 | aardvarq | will do - though I'm not sure how I'm going to make the switch from a 64-bit debian system in a chroot on a 32-bit system to all-64. Maybe boot to knoppix to pull up the 64-bit files? |
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| 08:51.30 | aardvarq | Anyway, cross that bridge when I come to it. Night all. |
| 08:51.52 | en1gma | sup all? |
| 08:52.09 | Hoxzer | sup you |
| 08:52.29 | eps | bah I want gnome 2.16! |
| 08:52.31 | en1gma | have any of you got debian to work on an NF4 mboard with onboard nvraid? ive got 4 sata drives in a raid0 and dont know if debian will work with it |
| 08:52.47 | wols_ | en1gma: don't use fakeraid |
| 08:52.53 | wols_ | and you might need a newer kernel than 2.6.8 |
| 08:53.04 | en1gma | ohhh |
| 08:53.18 | en1gma | well im broke so i have to stick with fakeraid ;) |
| 08:53.37 | wols_ | use nromal softwareraid instead |
| 08:53.37 | en1gma | supposibly nvraid isnt software |
| 08:53.44 | cydork | yggdrasi1: there is a nopcmcia option for that. check /msg dpkg ig |
| 08:53.44 | yggdrasi1 | tralala its doing this before i get to answer that.. its doing this when its loading up the installer still. i was thinking of some boot switch .. this is netboot installl btw |
| 08:53.47 | liable | en1gma: http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html |
| 08:53.57 | wols_ | it is fakeraid, it is basically software raid with proprietary crap added |
| 08:53.57 | en1gma | k thnx |
| 08:53.59 | yggdrasi1 | cydork ill try it |
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| 08:54.40 | liable | en1gma: if its not supported in 2.6.8, theres sarge installers with newer kernels (unnoficial) |
| 08:55.27 | en1gma | liable so if i get sarge release it should recognize it? |
| 08:55.33 | en1gma | ooo |
| 08:55.42 | liable | yggdrasi1: hit f3 or whatever it is during install for boot options |
| 08:56.01 | liable | en1gma: google the chipset and 2.6.8 |
| 08:56.02 | wols_ | en1gma: /msg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 08:56.22 | en1gma | k thnx |
| 08:56.33 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.55 | en1gma | :) |
| 08:56.55 | MojOrow | liable: udev maybe in sarg |
| 08:56.56 | liable | en1gma: of course, if its a desktop box, feel free to try etch if your are fairly comfortable in a linux environment |
| 08:57.08 | liable | MojOrow: udev *is* in sarge |
| 08:57.19 | MojOrow | but when i try to look in dev all of the results are there |
| 08:57.23 | MojOrow | i mean there is everything |
| 08:57.26 | MojOrow | it;s not filtered |
| 08:57.29 | en1gma | well i was trying for slamd64 cause its 64bit...but that dont appear to work....i always liked deb so i might just go with that |
| 08:57.41 | liable | MojOrow: yeah, but have you installed udev? |
| 08:58.04 | liable | MojOrow: unless you install gnome, you prolly wont have it.. |
| 08:58.18 | yggdrasi1 | liable ill try it, how do i pass this ?hw-detect/start_pcmcia |
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| 08:58.24 | MojOrow | well i didnt |
| 08:58.25 | MojOrow | and you are right |
| 08:58.54 | liable | MojOrow: easy, install it if you want it. |
| 08:59.37 | MojOrow | is it just apt-get install udev? |
| 08:59.46 | wols_ | nvz_: if you want 64bit, you should need etch |
| 08:59.56 | liable | yggdrasi1: um, i dont have all the boot options memorised, just type whatever the help menus tell you, or you can do an expert install and not load pcmcia |
| 09:00.07 | littleball | hello, does udev relate to sound dsp? |
| 09:00.17 | cydork | yggdrasi1: hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false |
| 09:00.29 | fgess | how can you see whether all partitions have been mounted or not? |
| 09:00.40 | liable | littleball: if you are using alsa and are missing dsp, modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 09:00.56 | liable | fgess: cat /etc/mtab |
| 09:00.59 | littleball | liable sorry |
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| 09:01.23 | littleball | ok. if i am missing dsp, then modprobe snd-cm-oss |
| 09:01.24 | littleball | right? |
| 09:01.36 | liable | snd-pcm-oss yes |
| 09:01.49 | liable | if you use alsa |
| 09:01.56 | littleball | how is OSS? |
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| 09:02.12 | tralala | littleball: alsa emulates OSS |
| 09:02.18 | liable | if not, then you should have dsp, unless you have no sound modules at all.. |
| 09:02.40 | fgess | liable, how do I read this output? This is a list of the mounted volumes? Or a list of the partitions? Or both? |
| 09:02.58 | fgess | liable, I'm talking about cat/etc/mtab |
| 09:03.15 | liable | fgess: thats mounted stuff |
| 09:03.22 | yang | I tried what is says from "2006 key" and i still get error : NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E |
| 09:03.25 | wols_ | run "mount" and you get display what is currently mounted and where |
| 09:03.50 | fgess | liable, thought so. Where can I find a list of available partitions in order to compare? fdisk -l?? |
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| 09:04.16 | liable | fgess: yep, and cat /proc/partitions, and what wols said |
| 09:04.20 | littleball | tralala, how do i know which sould use. oss or alsa? |
| 09:04.39 | tralala | littleball: use alsa with oss emulation |
| 09:05.03 | tralala | littleball: what is your kernel version? |
| 09:05.21 | steinchen | hi |
| 09:05.24 | yang | is there a new key available for etch security? |
| 09:05.24 | littleball | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.32 | steinchen | who is running etch already? |
| 09:05.46 | littleball | tralala, 2.6.15 |
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| 09:05.55 | tralala | littleball: okay go ahead with alsa |
| 09:06.15 | liable | yang: the etch version of apt should pull in all neccesary shits for it |
| 09:06.22 | streuner | steinchen: lots of people, why? |
| 09:06.28 | cydork | yang: do you have any unoffical repo in sources.list? |
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| 09:06.43 | liable | !moo |
| 09:06.44 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 09:06.55 | yang | cydork: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 09:07.00 | streuner | liable: damn, you were faster ;-) |
| 09:07.05 | liable | hah! |
| 09:07.07 | yggdrasi1 | thanks guys im gonna give it a shot right now |
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| 09:07.46 | liable | streuner: every time i see holycow i think of that factoid :) |
| 09:07.57 | yang | cydork: becouse i grabbed this required key gpg: key 8722E71E: public key "secure-testing Archive Key 2005-7 <katie@secure-testing.debian.net>" imported , but it's a different key than "2006 key" explains... |
| 09:08.02 | steinchen | streuner, isit running stable? i was wondering if i should use it on my notebook... |
| 09:08.03 | holycow | indeed |
| 09:08.09 | holycow | i am a walking factoid |
| 09:09.11 | cydork | yang: do what 2006 key factioid says. |
| 09:09.32 | yang | cydork: then I get error with apt-get update |
| 09:09.45 | cydork | yang: which is? |
| 09:09.59 | yang | GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E |
| 09:10.08 | streuner | steinchen: /msg dpkg laptos |
| 09:10.09 | yang | It's a different key |
| 09:10.15 | streuner | steinchen: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 09:10.41 | streuner | steinchen: what laptop do you have, btw? |
| 09:11.05 | steinchen | T30, IBM |
| 09:11.23 | liable | sarge should support that without problems |
| 09:11.24 | steinchen | sarge runs just fine and everything works (HW/WLAN ...) |
| 09:11.26 | cydork | yang: if you have http://secure-testing.debian.net in your sources.list you will need both. |
| 09:11.42 | yang | ok |
| 09:11.53 | wols_ | steinchen: then why asking about etch? |
| 09:12.03 | cydork | streuner: for laptops etch is fine, i use sid on mine :P |
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| 09:12.20 | fgess | liable, maybe a stupid question, but how do I compare the list of mounted volumes to the list of partitions to know which ones haven't been mounted yet? |
| 09:12.32 | steinchen | wols_, well first thing is that i'd like to try gnome2 .. and other "new" stuff |
| 09:12.39 | streuner | steinchen: do you use backports as well? |
| 09:12.45 | liable | steinchen: try etch, certainly. but you may get a few bugs from time to time, though it should decrease much so in the near future as etch freezes |
| 09:13.02 | steinchen | wols_, also found some hints how to run gnome2 with sarge.. but that didnt work out here |
| 09:13.11 | steinchen | streuner, nope not on this one |
| 09:13.27 | streuner | !tell steinchen about backports |
| 09:13.32 | steinchen | merci |
| 09:14.19 | liable | fgess: mtab is mounted stuff, fdisk is disk stuff which may not be mounted |
| 09:15.14 | yggdrasi1 | cydork its still trying to start it.. freezing at detecting disk and all other hardware.. loading pc card services i think |
| 09:15.23 | fgess | okay, can you mount ntfs drives? what about read-only access? |
| 09:15.42 | liable | !tell fgess about vfatrw |
| 09:16.06 | yggdrasi1 | gs-detect/start_pcmcia=false in my kernel arguments |
| 09:16.07 | yang | package mysql-server need manual configuration? |
| 09:17.03 | cydork | yggdrasi1: gs-detect? it was hw-detect wasn't it? |
| 09:17.16 | liable | hrm, i am out of beer, and i hate wine, but i have a bottle.. decisions decisions.. |
| 09:18.11 | cydork | liable: hehe ask some if they are willing exchange :P |
| 09:18.12 | yggdrasi1 | thats hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false |
| 09:18.18 | yggdrasi1 | mistyped |
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| 09:19.42 | yggdrasi1 | strange... wtf |
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| 09:28.36 | Mike_ | debian 4.0 is going to be the best release by far,,well done |
| 09:29.18 | amphi | Mike_: isn't it going to 3.2? ;) |
| 09:29.23 | amphi | *to be |
| 09:29.27 | cydork | !etch |
| 09:29.27 | dpkg | etch is, like, the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 09:29.32 | Mike_ | well is I guess |
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| 09:29.47 | amphi | 4.0? oh no.... |
| 09:29.48 | Mike_ | been using it for mnths,,Etch |
| 09:29.55 | yggdrasi1 | cydork yep i passed the disable_dhcp kernel paramter to make sure they were being passed and it didnt do that. but again stopped at starting pc card services~ |
| 09:30.13 | cydork | yggdrasi1: is that dell? |
| 09:30.14 | Mike_ | so modern,,Debian up to date?? wow |
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| 09:30.20 | yang | Mike_: when is it going to come out any idea? |
| 09:30.27 | Mike_ | Dec |
| 09:30.27 | amphi | why the big version jump? 64-bit support? |
| 09:30.33 | amphi | !wir |
| 09:30.33 | dpkg | wir is, like, When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 09:30.34 | Mike_ | yes |
| 09:30.43 | Mike_ | 32+64 |
| 09:30.50 | nelf | I'm running testing and evbug module loads when I boot. I've made sure evbug was blacklisted in /etc/modules.d/blacklist (it is by default), and also made sure it's not in /etc/modules. |
| 09:30.53 | amphi | Mike_: makes sense, thanks |
| 09:30.59 | fgess | liable: thanks for the help, everything is mounted and working! |
| 09:31.12 | liable | fgess: sweet |
| 09:31.12 | yggdrasi1 | cydork its a ppc |
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| 09:31.59 | cydork | yggdrasi1: then i have nfc. |
| 09:32.03 | yang | package mysql-server needs manual configuration? I get these errors: http://paste.debian.net/13382 |
| 09:32.27 | yggdrasi1 | cydork ha ha |
| 09:32.29 | yggdrasi1 | thanks though |
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| 09:34.03 | klork | hullo guys |
| 09:34.16 | amphi | !greet klork |
| 09:34.16 | dpkg | Hello, klork |
| 09:34.22 | klork | :) |
| 09:34.32 | cydork | yggdrasi1: try #debian-boot on oftc |
| 09:35.13 | cydork | yggdrasi1: or #debian-ppc |
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| 09:35.45 | klork | guys am trying to run some videos over local ethernet without copying them,,,, i know its possible wid nfs, samba but dunno about ftp |
| 09:36.00 | klork | and i need it over ftp :) |
| 09:36.04 | yggdrasi1 | cydork i got it.. some but in the kerne parameters.. i swapped the 2 that i had.. switched thier places and the first one didnt execute but the second one did |
| 09:36.11 | yggdrasi1 | but=bug |
| 09:36.19 | yggdrasi1 | ;-) |
| 09:36.32 | tosh_ | klork don't bother, use vlc |
| 09:36.46 | amphi | klork: run? you mean play? |
| 09:36.59 | amphi | klork: mplayer will do that |
| 09:37.01 | klork | tosh,okey ... amphi ya play |
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| 09:37.20 | henk | Hi, I'm trying to get software raid1 on two partitions (sda2 & sdb2). I've zeroed all blocks on all other partitions, created the two partitions with type "raid autodetect", told mdadm to --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 and it works!. nice but if I reboot the array is lost and /proc/mdstat show nothing. why is it not persistant? what am i doing wrong ? |
| 09:37.23 | klork | okey |
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| 09:38.29 | yggdrasi1 | cydork, thankk you |
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| 09:39.20 | nelf | My logs are being filled up with evbug module messages. It's blacklisted but loads anyway.. first sign of it on boot is evbug.c: Connected device: "AT Translated Set 2 k |
| 09:39.20 | nelf | eyboard", isa0060/serio0/input0..... Any ideas how to stop it loading? |
| 09:39.25 | klork | got it, one more query can i use a ftp share as part of my fs ? |
| 09:40.29 | Guerin | klork: you don't want to |
| 09:40.37 | Guerin | klork: you might think you do, but you don't |
| 09:40.40 | klork | like i use my discs.. ftp server is configured to allow to r/w |
| 09:40.46 | Fyre | how can i turn off frame buffering? |
| 09:41.04 | Guerin | Fyre: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 09:41.16 | klork | Guerin, okey but i think i need to |
| 09:41.34 | Guerin | klork: you don't. |
| 09:41.43 | klork | :) |
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| 09:42.04 | Miesco_ | My filesystem is messed up, how do I fix it? |
| 09:42.09 | Guerin | klork: seriously, the technical fuckups make it nowhere near worthwhile |
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| 09:42.41 | Guerin | Miesco_: as root: shutdown -rf now |
| 09:43.05 | Guerin | Miesco_: you should check that in shutdown --help |
| 09:43.08 | klork | Guerin, okey thanks |
| 09:44.04 | Miesco_ | Guerin: /sbin/shutdown: Input/output error. |
| 09:44.18 | Fyre | ive turned of framebuffering but im still getting errors from it when im trying to start fluxbox |
| 09:44.32 | Fyre | how can i reconfigure x-window-system-core ? |
| 09:45.02 | klork | Fyre, dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:45.02 | Guerin | Miesco_: that's not a filesystem problem, that's a hardware problem. |
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| 09:45.15 | Guerin | !tell Fyre aut drxx |
| 09:45.28 | Miesco_ | Guerin: I took my hard drive out and put it back in, is that the reason? |
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| 09:45.33 | Guerin | !tell Fyre about drxx |
| 09:45.48 | Guerin | Miesco_: was the machine turned on at the time? |
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| 09:45.51 | nelf | Miesco_: Not whilst the machine was running? |
| 09:45.57 | Miesco_ | Guerin: No |
| 09:46.08 | Fyre | klork, It just gives me a new prompt |
| 09:46.11 | Guerin | Miesco_: then that on its own won't be the problem. |
| 09:46.36 | Fyre | guerin, Thats what i did before and i turned of framebuffer, but im still getting errors from it when im trying to start fluxbox |
| 09:46.53 | Miesco_ | Guerin: It started giving me this input/output stuff when I did: fsck.ext3 /dev/hda3 |
| 09:46.55 | Guerin | Miesco_: anyway, it's largely moot, since once a drive starts with the i/o errors you can more or less kiss it goodbye |
| 09:47.06 | Guerin | Miesco_: was the drive mounted at the time? |
| 09:47.08 | klork | Fyre, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg if using unstable otherwise xfree86 |
| 09:47.17 | Miesco_ | Guerin: yes |
| 09:47.26 | Guerin | Miesco_: STUPID |
| 09:47.51 | Miesco_ | Guerin: WIll I be able to get my files |
| 09:48.02 | Guerin | Miesco_: boot into a livecd and fsck it from there WHILE NOT MOUNTED |
| 09:48.08 | Guerin | Miesco_: nobody can tell. |
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| 09:48.24 | Mike_ | what is the "base-config" command in etch? |
| 09:48.25 | Fyre | klork, Im using testing and xfree86 isnt installed. |
| 09:48.33 | Miesco_ | Guerin: Damb, now when I start I only get this: GRUB loading, please wait... Error 17 |
| 09:48.57 | klork | Fyre, mebbe its xorg in testing too not sure |
| 09:48.59 | whadar | im trying to set up qemu with tun/tap bridge... when running the qemu iso i keep getting "no ip address" message |
| 09:49.00 | Guerin | Miesco_: no shit, you need to boot to another system - a livecd or something. Even an install cd might have fsck on it |
| 09:49.01 | Miesco_ | Guerin: I dont have a livecd |
| 09:49.18 | Guerin | Miesco_: you need to get one befrore your box will be bootable - or you need to reinstall |
| 09:49.19 | whadar | my br0 is up and working |
| 09:49.30 | Fyre | klork, Yea it is, when i configure x-window-system-core i choosed to use framebuffering, how can i reconfigure it? |
| 09:50.04 | Miesco_ | Guerin: Well I have the iso on this computer but this computer cant write CD's |
| 09:50.04 | klork | Fyre, yeah to reconfigure ye just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:50.28 | Miesco_ | Guerin: What about a boot floppy disk? |
| 09:50.35 | Guerin | Fyre: paste the output of grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a paster |
| 09:50.49 | Guerin | Fyre: if what klork says doesn't fix it |
| 09:50.49 | Fyre | klork, Yea, i just did that and turned off framebuffering but im still getting the error when i start fluxbox |
| 09:50.52 | Guerin | Miesco_: you can but try |
| 09:51.07 | klork | Fyre, follow Guerin am a nubee myself :) |
| 09:51.12 | Guerin | Miesco_: otherwise it's off to the internet room with you |
| 09:51.24 | Fyre | klork, Alrighty ;) |
| 09:52.00 | Miesco_ | Guerin: internet room? |
| 09:52.02 | Guerin | Fyre: klork is right. |
| 09:52.12 | klork | Guerin, cant one remout his / as read only and then run fsck on it? |
| 09:52.17 | Guerin | Miesco_: place where, for a fee, you can surf the web and download and burn livecds |
| 09:52.19 | Miesco_ | Guerin: WAIT, I have some slackware CD's, will that work? |
| 09:52.24 | Guerin | klork: not if one can't boot |
| 09:52.24 | yang | package mysql-server needs manual configuration? I get these errors: http://paste.debian.net/13382 |
| 09:52.27 | Fyre | Guerin, Ok ill give it another go |
| 09:52.30 | Guerin | Miesco_: should do. |
| 09:52.35 | klork | Guerin, okey |
| 09:52.40 | Guerin | Miesco_: most anything should have fsck on it |
| 09:52.54 | Guerin | Miesco_: you MUST NOT fsck your filesystem while it's writable |
| 09:52.56 | Guerin | EVER |
| 09:53.09 | Guerin | it's like trying to change your car's cam belt with the motor running |
| 09:53.18 | Guerin | soimething is always going to get ruined |
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| 09:53.37 | Miesco_ | K I put in the slackware bootable live CD |
| 09:55.56 | Miesco_ | Guerin: I got a prompt, boot:, what should I put? |
| 09:56.17 | Miesco_ | Wait I think I go tit |
| 09:56.19 | Miesco_ | got it |
| 09:56.24 | Guerin | !htfswk Miesco_ |
| 09:56.24 | dpkg | Miesco_: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 09:56.36 | Miesco_ | Dont worry, I got it |
| 09:57.33 | cydork | yang: that's a postinst error. mysql is not able to start check bts if anyone had that problem |
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| 09:59.27 | Fyre | Guerin, (EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device |
| 09:59.27 | Fyre | (EE) R128(0): Failed to open framebuffer device, consult warnings and/or errors above for possible reasons |
| 09:59.36 | makenai | Hi all. How can I install a few packages from unstable in etch without totally breaking everything? |
| 09:59.37 | Fyre | Guerin, There the errors i keep getting |
| 09:59.42 | Guerin | Fyre: did you turn it off in drxx yet? |
| 09:59.54 | wols_ | makenai: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 09:59.59 | Miesco_ | Guerin: It gets to "hda: attached ide-disk driver." then it just stops |
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| 10:00.20 | Guerin | Miesco_: it's probably trying to mount it or something stupid |
| 10:00.27 | Fyre | Guerin, by dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg then choosing no in framebuffering? yes i did that is there anything i missed? |
| 10:00.43 | Miesco_ | Guerin: Should I wait? |
| 10:00.53 | TTT | hi, does anyone here use (tight)VNC? Is there a hotkey to force screen refresh, because i cannot rightclick VNC window title bar and click "force refresh" on linux like I can on windows. |
| 10:00.57 | Guerin | Miesco_: you don't need much of a system to do rescue work. Look through the boot options for that cd and go as minimal as possible |
| 10:01.07 | Guerin | Fyre: also /msg dpkg xorgmd5 |
| 10:01.39 | Miesco_ | Guerin: I did bare.i root=/dev/hda1 noinitrd ro |
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| 10:02.05 | Miesco_ | Guerin: My debian is on /dev/hda3 |
| 10:02.08 | makenai | wols: Thanks - checking it out |
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| 10:02.30 | Guerin | Miesco_: why? |
| 10:02.48 | Guerin | Miesco_: just boot from the damn cd, don't let it do anything to the hard drive |
| 10:02.48 | Miesco_ | Guerin: What do you mean? |
| 10:02.52 | Guerin | all you need is a shell |
| 10:03.09 | nelf | Miesco_: Can you get hold of a debian rescue CD? |
| 10:03.18 | Miesco_ | nelf: not really |
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| 10:04.00 | Fyre | Guerin, xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been |
| 10:04.00 | Fyre | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.09 | nelf | Miesco_: You could ask in #slackware how to use the slackware CD? |
| 10:04.13 | mixerr | for a lcd monitor, whats the factor that makes it less tiring in view, brightness or contrast ratio? |
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| 10:05.02 | Miesco_ | K |
| 10:05.11 | liable | hrm, thats scary, i am actually enjoying this wine.. |
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| 10:05.53 | Guerin | Fyre: that's ok. |
| 10:06.03 | Guerin | liable: omg, you're turning into a poofter! |
| 10:06.04 | incorrect | i am trying to install the PGP key for secure-testing.debian.net but ziyi-2005-7.asc appears to be missing |
| 10:06.16 | cydork | !tell Fyre about xserver-xorg postinst warning |
| 10:06.18 | klork | me too, hey cydork am team wid u :) |
| 10:06.36 | cydork | !beer klork |
| 10:06.43 | Miesco_ | Guerin: Im just booting it for what it does for default |
| 10:06.51 | klork | :) |
| 10:06.52 | mixerr | for a lcd monitor, whats the factor that makes it less tiring in view, brightness or contrast ratio? |
| 10:06.54 | yang | incorrect: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 10:07.05 | klork | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.07 | incorrect | tyy |
| 10:07.08 | liable | Guerin: heh, yeah, it even has religous overtones (the wine label..) |
| 10:07.10 | klork | he |
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| 10:07.35 | Guerin | Miesco_: ask the people in #slackware how to make it boot without touching the hard drive |
| 10:07.49 | java12 | ok |
| 10:07.53 | Guerin | Miesco_: if it is doing so already, your drive is fucked and I suggest you hit it with a hammer |
| 10:08.12 | Fyre | Guerin, Cheers you got it working ;) |
| 10:08.31 | liable | mixerr: i think refresh rate is the usual killer for eye soreness |
| 10:08.50 | incorrect | that didn't resolve anything |
| 10:09.16 | mixerr | refresh rate is not existing in lcds though |
| 10:09.38 | liable | mixerr: eh? |
| 10:09.56 | Miesco_ | I did root=/dev/hda3 |
| 10:10.09 | yang | cydork: if I google for "invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed." i dont find any solution |
| 10:10.28 | Miesco_ | Guerin: You dont understand, I need very very very important stuff on the hard drive |
| 10:10.31 | liable | Guerin: i'm not gay, but the bloke i fucked was :P |
| 10:10.45 | liable | sorry... |
| 10:11.03 | Miesco_ | I dont know what i'll do without my classical music |
| 10:11.04 | liable | that silly joke just came to me out of nowhere.. |
| 10:11.04 | mixerr | liable refresh rate is not variable in lcds |
| 10:11.31 | liable | mixerr: horizontal and vertical htz? |
| 10:11.39 | mixerr | yes |
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| 10:12.39 | cydork | yang: did you check bts? check /var/log/mysql.whatever also |
| 10:12.46 | Coup | hi |
| 10:12.57 | klork | !greet Coup |
| 10:12.58 | dpkg | Gr33tz, Coup |
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| 10:13.38 | mixerr | liable lcd refresh rate doesnt have meaning since its crystals dont flicker |
| 10:13.50 | incorrect | i did what dpkg told me to do to fix NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E, but it didn't work |
| 10:13.54 | mixerr | while crt's tubes flicker |
| 10:14.29 | yang | cydork: no entried went to mysql.err & mysql.log |
| 10:14.39 | Miesco_ | Guerin: #slackware's not helping |
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| 10:15.01 | Miesco_ | wait |
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| 10:16.27 | Miesco | I think I just needed to be identified to nickserver |
| 10:16.49 | makenai | Holy crap that simple sid backport trick is awesome! |
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| 10:21.39 | skopii | hello, I am wondering how I can trick apt into thinking that a non-existant package is installed |
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| 10:22.39 | wols_ | create a dummy package of the same name. or use the dpkg --force options |
| 10:22.41 | skopii | psa-php5-configurator: Depends: php5-dom and php5-xsl but the php5 package I have installed (dotdeb) includes them as part of the main package, so there is no module |
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| 10:23.16 | wols_ | use backports.org, not dotdeb |
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| 10:23.50 | skopii | whats wrong with dotdeb? |
| 10:24.11 | skopii | I think better advice would be to not use plesk =P |
| 10:24.23 | Guerin | skopii: that's definitely the best advice |
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| 10:24.35 | wols_ | !dotdeb |
| 10:24.35 | dpkg | well, dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN, or there is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of php and mysql are available from backports.org. ask me about <backports> and <backports.org> |
| 10:24.47 | Guerin | skopii: ther answer ius: you don't trick debian into thinking a package is installed. If it doidn't need to be installed, it wouldn't be a dependency |
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| 10:24.49 | Miesco | Guerin: I unplugged my hard drive and now the live disk is working |
| 10:24.58 | Guerin | Miesco: yeah. Buy another one. |
| 10:25.02 | skopii | Guerin: it is installed though |
| 10:25.05 | Guerin | Miesco: that drive is fux0red |
| 10:25.12 | skopii | just not how debian indended it to be installed |
| 10:25.26 | wols_ | Guerin: if one mixes packages from various repositories who don't know of each other, it is necessary |
| 10:25.44 | Guerin | skopii: so install it how debian intended it to be. If you build the source, use checkinstall or such. |
| 10:26.01 | Guerin | wols_: iff one does that, one shouldn't come whining in #debian when it doesn't work. |
| 10:26.11 | skopii | wols_: I am not actually asking about dotdeb support. I am asking how I can trick apt into thinking those two packages are installed |
| 10:26.11 | Miesco | Guerin: Should I plug in the hard drive while the computers on? |
| 10:26.12 | Guerin | any repository which isn't self-contained isn't worth using |
| 10:26.17 | Guerin | Miesco: absolutely not |
| 10:26.31 | Guerin | skopii: look into equivs |
| 10:26.33 | skopii | it just so happens that the reason I need to trick apt is because I am installing a third--party pkg =[ |
| 10:26.53 | skopii | yes, I was just reading about that in the man pages |
| 10:26.55 | Guerin | skopii: this way lies much pain |
| 10:27.13 | skopii | well I am used to gentoo =P |
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| 10:27.22 | skopii | but I do <3 debian as gentoo is not always the best option |
| 10:27.30 | wols_ | skopii: and I gave you two ways to do it, but you chose to ask still |
| 10:27.40 | skopii | wols_: perhaps I missed what you said |
| 10:27.41 | wols_ | and your problem si DIRECTLY caused by unsupported dotdeb |
| 10:27.55 | yggdrasi1 | anyone good here at doing stuff while stilll in the installer? i need to mount an hfs partition... |
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| 10:28.04 | skopii | well directly caused by plesk! indirectly caused by unsupported plesk ;] |
| 10:28.10 | Guerin | yggdrasi1: you poor bastard. |
| 10:28.13 | skopii | err indrectly by unsupported dotdeb |
| 10:28.41 | wols_ | yggdrasi1: ctrl+alt+f3. you could mount it there |
| 10:29.04 | Guerin | skopii: regardless: we don't care. Good luck. |
| 10:29.09 | skopii | wols_: how can I create a dummy package? |
| 10:29.30 | yggdrasi1 | wols_ im trying but its saying it cant find the /dev/hda3 |
| 10:29.39 | yggdrasi1 | or any of the hda for that materr |
| 10:29.40 | wols_ | by creating an empty package which only "satisfies" dependencies |
| 10:29.49 | Coup | I have a similar issue like skopii: I want to install evolution and apt-get tells me that it depends on libpisock8, but I have ibpisock9 installed - is there any way to tell apt to ignore it? |
| 10:29.49 | wols_ | but the proper way is to use backports.org. good luck |
| 10:30.02 | Guerin | the proper way is: Never use plesk, ever. |
| 10:30.06 | skopii | (I get the idea) |
| 10:30.40 | Miesco | Guerin: Im not getting this right, if this hard drive is broken... does that mean I lost all my, pr0n??? |
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| 10:31.06 | cydork | Coup: is that pure debian version ? or are you mixing? |
| 10:31.13 | wols_ | Miesco: try smartmontools if you can get something to run at all with it |
| 10:31.14 | Guerin | Miesco: yes. You'll have to wank off to images in your head now. |
| 10:31.15 | Coup | only sid |
| 10:31.18 | wols_ | but most probably: yes |
| 10:31.37 | Guerin | Coup: it is NEVER a good idea to tell apt to ignore things. |
| 10:31.45 | Coup | i know ; ) |
| 10:31.51 | Guerin | Coup: you're using sid., If it's broken, wait. It'll fix itself in time. |
| 10:31.54 | Coup | but i just want to try if it works |
| 10:32.20 | Guerin | Coup: alternatively, you can look in incoming.d.o to see if it's there yet; or try to build the source to make it work (using checkinstall) |
| 10:32.28 | yggdrasi1 | wols im wondering if i have to make the device or somehng ? |
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| 10:32.29 | Miesco | Now that I think about it, I had nothing important on that computer |
| 10:32.37 | yggdrasi1 | dmesg shows hda |
| 10:32.37 | Guerin | but these actiuona are all unsupported, and you get to keep all the bits if your shit breaks |
| 10:32.56 | wols_ | yggdrasi1: possibly. I dunno |
| 10:33.07 | yggdrasi1 | just keeps sayin no such devise |
| 10:33.13 | Miesco | Guerin: How much do you think I 190 gig sata hard drive would cost? |
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| 10:33.24 | wols_ | yggdrasi1: look in dev and check |
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| 10:33.26 | Coup | it is ok if it gets broken ... its just a "play-box" |
| 10:33.47 | meowmeow | could anyone help me find a good network monitor (bandwidth) with a webinterface? |
| 10:33.55 | cydork | Coup: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 10:34.09 | cydork | Coup: check the bts too. |
| 10:34.21 | Guerin | meowmeow: what do you want to measure?> |
| 10:34.23 | cydork | Coup: if no bug exits, file one |
| 10:34.34 | yggdrasi1 | wols_ no hda in there |
| 10:34.35 | wols_ | Miesco: shouldn't you ask newegg.com instead of guerin |
| 10:34.44 | yggdrasi1 | cydork did you see my msg about i got it... |
| 10:34.45 | meowmeow | Guerin: bandwidth |
| 10:34.46 | Coup | ok thx i'll read that |
| 10:34.50 | Guerin | meowmeow: i'll sell you one for $1000 |
| 10:34.55 | meowmeow | ? |
| 10:34.57 | Miesco | K |
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| 10:35.06 | cydork | yggdrasi1: it's working? |
| 10:35.11 | meowmeow | Guerin: if that was a joke, i took it way to literal. |
| 10:35.13 | Guerin | meowmeow: total uised, or speed, or where it's going, or what? Be specifical |
| 10:35.24 | Guerin | meowmeow: sorry, that was for Miesco |
| 10:35.26 | wols_ | meowmeow: "bandwith" is a very nonsensical thing |
| 10:35.30 | meowmeow | ah |
| 10:35.32 | yggdrasi1 | cydork there was some bug with te bootloader not passing that over properly |
| 10:35.35 | meowmeow | well how much trafic |
| 10:35.38 | JohnRobert | how can I find out more about a package using apt-cache/apt-get before I install it... like it's version number for example. |
| 10:35.39 | meowmeow | the amount of traffic |
| 10:35.43 | JohnRobert | ? |
| 10:35.50 | Guerin | meowmeow: bandwidthd is a bit shit, but it has a web interface. |
| 10:35.56 | meowmeow | hmm |
| 10:36.01 | Guerin | meowmeow: vnstat is better,m but has no web interface |
| 10:36.02 | wols_ | JohnRobert: apt-cache show |
| 10:36.04 | cydork | yggdrasi1: oh ok so you are using different installer now i guess. |
| 10:36.09 | meowmeow | haha |
| 10:36.09 | JohnRobert | ta |
| 10:36.13 | meowmeow | it was ugly |
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| 10:36.14 | meowmeow | :) |
| 10:36.19 | Miesco | Hey, I dont think i'll be paying over $200 dollars |
| 10:36.28 | Guerin | yeah, but I like ugly things which are beautiful on the inside |
| 10:36.32 | meowmeow | hey Guerin thanx |
| 10:36.33 | meowmeow | yaa |
| 10:36.43 | meowmeow | i was thinking the same thing when i saw http://bandwidthd.sourceforge.net/bandwidthd-search.png |
| 10:36.50 | meowmeow | thanx |
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| 10:37.16 | yggdrasi1 | cydork no same install jsut got that kernel paramter passed over properly and it didnt fail.. pcmcia |
| 10:37.30 | cydork | yggdrasi1: oh cool |
| 10:37.30 | yggdrasi1 | having another problem now.. trying to mount a drive whil still in the installer. |
| 10:37.36 | Miesco | Guerin: How do I knwo for sure if I can really smash my hard drive with a hammer |
| 10:38.05 | kombi | I'm getting all these locals errors (perl: warning: Setting locale failed), dpkg-reconfigure base-config does not work, do I just apt-get install locales ? |
| 10:38.23 | Guerin | Miesco: your machine won't boot with it in., It's fucked. |
| 10:38.27 | wols_ | yggdrasi1: go up to the point where you can partition your disk |
| 10:38.31 | wols_ | then try to mount it |
| 10:38.33 | yggdrasi1 | how come theres much more when i cd /dev ls than when i ls /dev from root |
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| 10:38.46 | Miesco | Guerin: Okay, was it from the fsck thing? |
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| 10:38.58 | wols_ | Miesco: it is a hardware failure |
| 10:39.04 | yggdrasi1 | ahh got it |
| 10:39.12 | kombi | what was the command again to set the locales on a box? |
| 10:39.23 | Guerin | Miesco: no, it was what made you want to fsck in the first place |
| 10:39.28 | yggdrasi1 | wols_ i was trying that too but it sort of just stares at me.. and goes back to the screen.. |
| 10:39.36 | yggdrasi1 | hmm ill give it a good reboot now .. i think |
| 10:39.39 | yggdrasi1 | and try that |
| 10:39.44 | yggdrasi1 | can you moutn from there ? |
| 10:40.01 | Miesco | Guerin: Do you think it might be from when I dropped it down the stairs while bringing it upstairs |
| 10:40.13 | wols_ | yggdrasi1: from where? |
| 10:40.19 | yggdrasi1 | the partitioner |
| 10:40.20 | wols_ | Miesco: duh! |
| 10:40.23 | cydork | yggdrasi1: alt+f3 when you reach there. |
| 10:40.27 | yggdrasi1 | yea ok.. |
| 10:40.27 | kombi | Miesco: good one! |
| 10:40.33 | yggdrasi1 | cydork im there now |
| 10:40.43 | wols_ | yggdrasi1: what does the partition tool display? does it display the disk? |
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| 10:40.57 | kombi | people, what sets locales again? dpkg-reconfigure something.. |
| 10:41.08 | wols_ | if it doesn't: how do you know the kernel detects your harddisk? |
| 10:41.12 | Miesco | Hey do you think business depot will have a hard drive? |
| 10:41.13 | wols_ | kombi: locales |
| 10:41.14 | Mike_ | wols_: all partitions |
| 10:41.20 | cydork | kombi: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:41.23 | Guerin | Miesco: very likely |
| 10:41.44 | Miesco | What do I want, a 3gig/s Sata one? |
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| 10:42.05 | Miesco | With 8 or 16 cache? |
| 10:42.07 | kombi | wols_ + Mike_: thank you! stangely locales isn't on this box anymore, I'll install that first then. |
| 10:42.17 | Miesco | I want to stay under $200 |
| 10:42.22 | wols_ | Miesco: #hardware |
| 10:42.27 | cydork | Miesco: try newegg |
| 10:42.28 | yggdrasi1 | wols_ basicly right now im at the end of the install where it asks to reboot. and i go to the partition it just blinks and then takes me back to the menu |
| 10:43.00 | wols_ | yggdrasi1: what chipset do you have, what kernel? |
| 10:43.22 | wols_ | yggdrasi1: from the looks of it fdisk has the same problem as your mount operation |
| 10:43.27 | wols_ | are there any /dev entries? |
| 10:43.31 | yggdrasi1 | wols_ hang on. its ppc can i show you my how to for this.. |
| 10:43.33 | yggdrasi1 | ahh.. |
| 10:43.35 | incorrect | i did what dpkg told me to do to fix NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E, but it didn't work, anyone know of a fix? or do i need to upgrade to etch before adding in the security? |
| 10:43.40 | yggdrasi1 | wols df works |
| 10:43.50 | Miesco | I can get a 400gig 16mb cache for $140 |
| 10:43.59 | yggdrasi1 | and shows /dev/ide/host0/bus0/taret0/lun0/part7 mnted as /target |
| 10:44.08 | yggdrasi1 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/OldWorldMacs |
| 10:44.19 | yggdrasi1 | theres basicly what im trying to accomplish |
| 10:44.41 | wols_ | that's your /def file entry then |
| 10:44.45 | wols_ | */dev |
| 10:44.58 | yggdrasi1 | wols i know it says same thing no such device |
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| 10:45.11 | wols_ | you said df works... |
| 10:45.20 | yggdrasi1 | odd isnt it |
| 10:45.37 | wols_ | what does df say? |
| 10:45.40 | Edward_TLS | hi.. |
| 10:45.45 | wols_ | anything on harddisk mounted? |
| 10:45.54 | Edward_TLS | who knows if the debian-mysql supports innodb ? |
| 10:46.02 | yggdrasi1 | tempfs to / and /dev/ide/...... /target |
| 10:46.28 | wscott | How do I fix the conflict between nvidia-glx and xserver-xorg-core in sid?? |
| 10:46.34 | wols_ | then use that /dev thing to find out its full name |
| 10:46.37 | yggdrasi1 | uh /dev/ide/-----/part7 |
| 10:46.46 | yggdrasi1 | wols_ ive been |
| 10:46.51 | Miesco | K thanks for the help, going to check on my other debian computer to make sure I have these files cause if I dont i'll kill myself |
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| 10:46.54 | yggdrasi1 | im gonna restart the installer and see what happens |
| 10:46.54 | yggdrasi1 | brb |
| 10:46.58 | yggdrasi1 | see if i can mount it |
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| 10:48.00 | yggdrasi1 | wols_ i got the partition up |
| 10:48.05 | yggdrasi1 | partitioner |
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| 10:52.27 | yggdrasi1 | wols_ so i got the partitioner up. i dont think i can mount from there |
| 10:52.39 | wols_ | of course you can't |
| 10:52.50 | wols_ | ctrl+alt+f3. there you can mount if you want |
| 10:53.02 | wols_ | create a mountpoint and mount whatever you need |
| 10:53.16 | yggdrasi1 | yep its not diggin it |
| 10:53.25 | yggdrasi1 | according to the partitioner hda5 |
| 10:53.26 | wols_ | and why not? |
| 10:53.28 | yggdrasi1 | uh hda6 |
| 10:53.46 | yggdrasi1 | when i got to ctrl-alt f2 |
| 10:53.59 | yggdrasi1 | and type mount /dev/hda6 /hfs -t hfs |
| 10:54.33 | yggdrasi1 | no such file or directory |
| 10:54.47 | wols_ | didn't we establish it's /dev/ide/.... ? |
| 10:54.53 | yggdrasi1 | ok yea but same thing |
| 10:55.06 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.09 | yggdrasi1 | yep |
| 10:55.24 | wols_ | then your /dev entry is maybe typed wrong. |
| 10:55.24 | yggdrasi1 | actualy now it unmounted that /dev/ide0/ hda 7 |
| 10:55.30 | yggdrasi1 | ill keep pluggin |
| 10:55.31 | wols_ | e.g. taret instead of target |
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| 10:58.00 | yggdrasi1 | is there any way to ftp from the installer. |
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| 10:58.11 | yggdrasi1 | all i need to do is get my kernel and image out of it. |
| 10:58.16 | yggdrasi1 | actualy its screwed now |
| 10:58.20 | yggdrasi1 | im going back to bed |
| 10:58.23 | yggdrasi1 | thanks for the hel |
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| 11:02.00 | yggdrasi1 | ill pull the drive out stick it in a regular box and mount everything then move the images over to where they should be |
| 11:02.04 | yggdrasi1 | :) |
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| 11:04.15 | yggdrasi1 | lets see how fedora likes hfs |
| 11:04.25 | goki___ | the factoid Xorgmd5 is slightly wrong |
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| 11:04.45 | goki___ | it misses out the bit about diffing files, I think its a cut and paste error from xmd5 factoid |
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| 11:07.56 | cydork | goki___: are you getting xserver-xorg postinst warning ? |
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| 11:14.47 | yang | I get these errors: with mysql installation http://paste.debian.net/13382 |
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| 11:15.38 | cydork | yang: did you check bts?? |
| 11:16.12 | yang | cydork: i don't know how to enter "the sentance" into bts...i can only browse the package |
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| 11:16.57 | wols_ | yang: /var/log/mysql* |
| 11:16.59 | wols_ | check them |
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| 11:17.11 | yang | wols_: those are empty |
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| 11:17.35 | wols_ | where is this mysql from? what branch? what repository? |
| 11:17.39 | slon` | unsure |
| 11:18.37 | yang | Version: 5.0.24a-3 |
| 11:18.37 | yang | Depends: mysql-server-5.0 |
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| 11:18.46 | yang | wols_: www.de.ftp.debian.org |
| 11:18.47 | cydork | yang: etch? |
| 11:18.56 | yang | cydork: etch |
| 11:19.38 | cydork | yang: then there is no bug, in the postinst for sure. i am using it atm. |
| 11:20.17 | yang | cydork: i did apt-get install mysql-server |
| 11:20.28 | yang | cydork: maybe it requires additional packages |
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| 11:20.57 | yang | cydork: and i cant find mysql 4-0 version, i would try that one |
| 11:21.30 | cydork | yang: what happens when you type /etc/init.d/mysql start ? |
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| 11:21.44 | mircean | i updated php from testing (php-5.1.6 old php-5.1.2) and no I get "dba_open(xxx1.db,c): Driver initialization failed for handler: db4: Unknown error 140682464" any time i try to use "dba_open" with "db4". Does anybody know anything about that ? (i got nothing while searching the web ...) |
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| 11:22.03 | yang | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 11:22.38 | ana | I make dist-upgrade in my Sid and xorg don't work more. What can I do? |
| 11:22.40 | wols_ | check syslog and mysql logs |
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| 11:22.58 | wols_ | ana: are you running the nvidia or ati proprietary driver? |
| 11:23.06 | cydork | yang: check syslog |
| 11:23.32 | yang | cydork: also, i am unable to apt-get install any other package...since i always get this "setting up mysql-server-5.0" error in between :/ |
| 11:24.21 | ana | wols_: no. Via onboard. |
| 11:24.50 | wols_ | ana: check your X logs then |
| 11:24.53 | wobster | Hi everyone. I've got a networking question I currently have 2 subnets locally. x.x.1.0 and x.x.2.0 with a subnetmask of 24. I have a dhcpd bound to both networks. Is it possible/reasonable to bind it to a x.x.0.0/16 instead so it responds to both networks without this explicit binding? |
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| 11:25.17 | yang | cydork: http://paste.debian.net/13391 |
| 11:25.26 | yang | cydork: i will set pass now |
| 11:25.56 | wols_ | wobster: if you make it a /16 you will have problems routing from one subnet to the other. you have set it up just right |
| 11:26.00 | yang | cydork: ah, i see there it tries to bind... |
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| 11:27.19 | ana | wols_: in /var/log/Xorg.0 don't have anything with (EE) |
| 11:27.37 | wobster | wols_, my basic problem is that there are windows clients in the network which seem to try out subnets x.x.y.0/24 with y from 0 upwards. So if they're in a network with higher y it takes quite long to obtain a configuration. |
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| 11:27.49 | cydork | yang: try netstat -plont |grep 3306 |
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| 11:28.27 | ArtVandalae | Hi, how can I download a deb file I just dl? |
| 11:28.42 | tralala | ArtVandalae: man apt-get |
| 11:28.52 | cydork | ArtVandalae: huh? |
| 11:29.04 | ArtVandalae | I downloaded a deb file to my hdd, I wantt o install it now |
| 11:29.10 | wols_ | ArtVandalae: read your own question again |
| 11:29.11 | vin` | ArtVandalae: if you mean install, use dpkg -i |
| 11:29.12 | cydork | ArtVandalae: man dpkg |
| 11:29.18 | ArtVandalae | vin`: yes thanks |
| 11:29.56 | ArtVandalae | wols_: sorry |
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| 11:32.25 | Coup | wobster: what do you mean with "seem to try out"? |
| 11:33.22 | wols_ | aren't those clients supposed to use your dhcp? |
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| 11:34.49 | wobster | Coup, broadcasting only within single subnets. Although I just read the discover message has a destination address of 255.255.255.255 which would mean that it's broadcasts everywhere. Strange this is, that it takes quite long if the dhcdd |
| 11:34.56 | yggdrasi1 | wols_ yoll be happy to know i got it |
| 11:34.57 | yggdrasi1 | ;) |
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| 11:35.01 | wobster | dhcpd is not on the same subnet as the windows client |
| 11:35.07 | yggdrasi1 | how do iupgrage to etch ? |
| 11:35.31 | Coup | do you mean "physical" subnet? |
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| 11:35.43 | wobster | Coup, no. |
| 11:35.55 | Coup | because dhcpbroadcast is "everwhere" broadcast |
| 11:35.56 | cydork | !tell yggdrasi1 about sarge->etch |
| 11:36.12 | yggdrasi1 | thanks |
| 11:36.27 | wobster | Coup, yes hm. Obviously. I should triple check this behavior. Maybe I got the iptables wrong |
| 11:37.01 | Coup | perhabs you can work with mac reservations or something to make it clearer |
| 11:38.15 | wobster | Coup, I'll try. I guess I'm having a too paranoid setup for a home network. |
| 11:38.27 | Coup | wobster: i would recommend to use something like wireshark to see what they are doing |
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| 11:39.16 | wobster | Coup, good idea. thanks. |
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| 11:39.54 | Coup | i think its a lot easier to understand if you can "see it" |
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| 11:42.43 | fourat | i've installed pdnsd on the gateway server to serv and cache dns queries, and to use the gateway's /etc/hosts file so i can share some domains in my lan, i got a problem that i cant resolve till now, i have defined a domain in the gateway's /etc/hosts file, 'dig'ing it from a client pc: it resolves, pinging, dont resolve: see this: http://pastebin.ca/178580 |
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| 11:44.20 | erin | can anyone tell me why a usb flash disk might work on one account but not another? |
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| 11:45.40 | erin | it seems to be working in my account, but not my sister's account. it's really annyongi that i have to go into my account everytime she wants to use it |
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| 11:46.08 | cydork | erin: check groups |
| 11:46.10 | pitillo | erin, may be you need to add your sister?s account to some group... review yours |
| 11:46.32 | cydork | erin: i am guessing it's plugdev |
| 11:48.29 | erin | cydork, i tried putting my sister into every group. that didnt work. what is plugdev? sudo apt-get install plugdev? if yes, why does it work on mine? |
| 11:49.40 | tralala | ouch |
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| 11:51.43 | goner | hi, i dont know what is wrong with my network settings. i am using a DHCP connection and when i try to restart network then debian says : Reconfiguring networking interfaces...ifup: interface lo already configured done. |
| 11:52.11 | fourat | i've installed pdnsd on the gateway server to serv and cache dns queries, and to use the gateway's /etc/hosts file so i can share some domains in my lan, i got a problem that i cant resolve till now, i have defined a domain in the gateway's /etc/hosts file, 'dig'ing it from a client pc: it resolves, pinging, dont resolve: see this: http://pastebin.ca/178580 |
| 11:52.21 | fourat | i've installed pdnsd on the gateway server to serv and cache dns queries, and to use the gateway's /etc/hosts file so i can share some domains in my lan, i got a problem that i cant resolve till now, i have defined a domain in the gateway's /etc/hosts file, 'dig'ing it from a client pc: it resolves, pinging, dont resolve: see this: http://pastebin.ca/178580 |
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| 11:54.21 | yggdrasi1 | how do i change the date ? |
| 11:54.28 | yggdrasi1 | hah dumb question .. |
| 11:55.12 | wols_ | use ntpdate and then hwclock |
| 11:55.21 | yggdrasi1 | k |
| 11:55.23 | yggdrasi1 | thanks |
| 11:55.39 | yggdrasi1 | wols_ this system is up now an much faster than when it had bloatbuntu running. |
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| 11:56.24 | goki___ | cydork: I'm not getting that warning, but someone I'm trying to help is |
| 11:56.35 | goki___ | cydork: is it a bug? |
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| 11:56.52 | aceme | I've installed again my debian and now work fine |
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| 11:57.20 | aceme | I would like to ask if someone could tell me how to see webmin package ? I've just apt-get install it ! |
| 11:57.29 | tralala | aceme: did you have your registry cludged or something?! |
| 11:57.55 | aceme | I don't know what do you mean |
| 11:58.19 | wols_ | !webmin |
| 11:58.20 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 11:58.47 | ra1 | find /tmp -name PPG.log -mmin -10 | echo $? |
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| 11:59.21 | aceme | any tool than to play with as freeware as a cpanel ? |
| 11:59.29 | blondie | what? |
| 11:59.52 | cydork | !tell goki___ about xserver-xorg postinst warning |
| 12:00.07 | aceme | I want a cpanel for web sites |
| 12:00.16 | goner | how can i reconfigure my networking settings |
| 12:00.28 | yggdrasi1 | ok guys im gonan get an hour of sleep b4 i go to work thanks so much for all the hel peveryone |
| 12:00.34 | cydork | goner: man interfaces |
| 12:00.40 | aceme | could I use realvnc to administer a debian ? |
| 12:00.53 | ra1 | find /tmp -name PPG.log -mmin -10 |
| 12:00.53 | blondie | no, that's a silly idea |
| 12:00.56 | blondie | use ssh instead :) |
| 12:01.05 | ra1 | i am always getting output 0 |
| 12:01.08 | aceme | and than all text I suppose |
| 12:01.15 | aceme | mc |
| 12:01.19 | aceme | and so |
| 12:01.55 | tralala | ra1: ask #bash |
| 12:02.07 | Coup | aceme: or use shh x-forwarding |
| 12:02.43 | ra1 | i am not getting answer from them tralala |
| 12:02.51 | Coup | you can use vnc - but its not realy securea |
| 12:02.53 | Coup | -a |
| 12:03.20 | aceme | how could I setup a IP security or chai |
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| 12:03.55 | Nethox | Is the /etc/environment file still used in debian or the problem is my configuration? |
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| 12:04.37 | tralala | ra1: try replacing | with && |
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| 12:04.50 | wols_ | Nethox: your problem is obviously asking useful questions |
| 12:05.18 | wols_ | and yes, /etc/environmentis still used |
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| 12:06.08 | dig | hi folx |
| 12:06.09 | Nethox | wols_: thanks, for me its enough information so I asked in that way |
| 12:06.23 | aceme | what about virtualmin |
| 12:06.30 | aceme | is that good ? |
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| 12:07.08 | tralala | aceme: depends on your goals |
| 12:08.24 | aceme | I am a person who drive not the top car who has medium to low knowledges in Linux and is quite good under windows and who want to try to understand and maybe use a virtualmin application for easying the actual hosting process |
| 12:08.29 | goner | why debian says to me after everything what try : bash: /etc/network/interfaces: Premission denied |
| 12:09.09 | wols_ | aceme: you won't understand a thing with those panel thingies |
| 12:09.30 | wols_ | goner: what do you try exactly? |
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| 12:09.50 | wols_ | aceme: and you introduce unneeded security risks |
| 12:09.57 | goner | example /etc/networkin/ |
| 12:09.58 | aceme | I've used php / asp / c++ /dns/ mail servers and IIS intensively and I feel that I could even programm my cpanel under windows |
| 12:10.13 | goner | example /etc/network/interfaces iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 12:10.18 | wols_ | goner: that "command" doesn't make any sense. what do you want to accomplish? |
| 12:10.29 | nelf | I'm installing atftpd, and it's asking for muticast transfer address range. My local network is 192.168.100.0-255, the default address range in the input box is 239.239.239.0-255. Is this really the range I want? |
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| 12:10.30 | aceme | I first have to see wols_ how to close unused ports here in Debian |
| 12:10.46 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.02 | wols_ | aceme: you don't. unused ports are always closed |
| 12:11.10 | goner | i want to accomplish this that my comp woult understand that i am using dhcp network and moustly i hope it would work |
| 12:11.13 | goner | :) |
| 12:11.15 | wols_ | it's the definition of an unused port |
| 12:11.18 | aceme | what for than ipchains |
| 12:11.32 | wols_ | ipchains is OLD. you certainly won't use it |
| 12:11.35 | tralala | aceme: if you're planning to configure a server these shiny tools will only help you to get hacked. Configuring a server _securely_ is not an easy task although you might be fooled into thinking it is by such tools |
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| 12:11.58 | wols_ | and for advanced stuff there is iptables yes. but you most probably don't need it. this is NOT windows that opens ports needlessly without asking |
| 12:12.09 | wols_ | goner: you need to be root. then you can edit the file. not before |
| 12:12.39 | aceme | yes but as a security measure I think is best for the beginning to leave open only 53 as tcp udp and 80 in out |
| 12:12.39 | goner | ok i will reboot |
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| 12:12.53 | wols_ | goner: no |
| 12:12.53 | tralala | goner: rebooting is for windows users |
| 12:13.01 | aceme | in windows is called IP security but here ? |
| 12:13.05 | aceme | iptables |
| 12:13.27 | tralala | IP sec and iptables have nothing in common (besides the first two letters) |
| 12:13.29 | wols_ | aceme: you will not need it. Debian doesn't use shit like COM and DCOM on public interfaces |
| 12:13.42 | goner | anyway i am booting know |
| 12:13.55 | wols_ | goner: why? for your interface change? |
| 12:14.00 | wols_ | goner: that's stupid |
| 12:14.11 | goki___ | Why are nvidia drivers not in testing? |
| 12:14.36 | wols_ | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 12:14.36 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 12:14.43 | goner | ok i might be stupid but i try to get smart ;) |
| 12:14.44 | goner | ok |
| 12:14.56 | goner | i am running again with my debian |
| 12:14.58 | aceme | I've got virtualmin from ap-get and now what's next ? where to access that ? localhost is howing only apache... |
| 12:15.00 | goner | what know |
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| 12:15.02 | wols_ | goner: have you edited your interfaces now? |
| 12:15.03 | goki___ | thanks wols_ :) |
| 12:15.07 | Octopuce | hi |
| 12:15.08 | goner | nope |
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| 12:15.30 | wols_ | goner: then what do you want to accomplish with booting? the boot fairy fixing it for you? |
| 12:15.32 | goner | how i will do it if i may ask |
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| 12:15.43 | wols_ | goner: become root. then edit the file |
| 12:15.48 | goner | i am root |
| 12:15.53 | wols_ | then you can edit it |
| 12:15.55 | tralala | goner: do you know how to log in as root and use a text editor? |
| 12:15.58 | goner | what file |
| 12:16.03 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.11 | goner | i am familiar with nano |
| 12:16.16 | wols_ | then use nano |
| 12:16.21 | tralala | good, use it and edit the file |
| 12:16.28 | tralala | see man interfaces for information |
| 12:16.41 | goner | ok i opend the fail |
| 12:16.47 | goner | there is onli two lines |
| 12:16.52 | goner | auto lo |
| 12:16.57 | wols_ | yes, about localhost |
| 12:16.59 | goner | iface lo inet loopack |
| 12:17.07 | wols_ | btw: do you have loaded the driver for your ethernet or whatever? |
| 12:17.11 | goki___ | the boot fairy definitely fixes stuff, although she also breaks things :( |
| 12:17.14 | aceme | anyway how to access webmin or virtualmin ? should I configure their locations as web sites ? |
| 12:17.40 | tralala | aceme: no, but you should read their respecitve docs |
| 12:17.43 | goner | what should i write into this file to get my dhcp network to run |
| 12:18.01 | wols_ | goner: do you have your ethernet drivers, for your network card loaded? |
| 12:18.14 | tralala | goner: you shouldn't write anything before you've read man interfaces |
| 12:18.21 | cydork | goner: did you read the man page? |
| 12:18.44 | goner | i read it |
| 12:18.51 | goner | and its open right know |
| 12:19.12 | wols_ | goner: if you did, then you should know what to enter |
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| 12:19.33 | wols_ | it even has pretty examples |
| 12:19.34 | goner | i must take from there something that should suit for me |
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| 12:19.39 | goner | ok thanks i ry |
| 12:19.41 | goner | try |
| 12:19.43 | pagey | mike__ |
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| 12:20.12 | wols_ | goner: a last time: have you loaded the driver(s) for your network card? |
| 12:20.18 | pagey | What is the default deb packages installer in Gnome/ |
| 12:20.29 | dig | aptitude? |
| 12:20.36 | wols_ | synaptic? |
| 12:20.42 | tralala | apt-get? |
| 12:20.43 | dig | synaptic? |
| 12:20.44 | goner | i think they are loaded |
| 12:20.52 | dig | dpkg ;-) ? |
| 12:20.56 | goner | but how can i check it |
| 12:20.59 | wols_ | goner: unless you KNOW. go back and check |
| 12:21.03 | tralala | tar? ;)) |
| 12:21.09 | wols_ | goner: man ifconfig |
| 12:21.13 | goner | ok |
| 12:21.16 | wols_ | tralala: cpio |
| 12:21.17 | dig | make? |
| 12:21.20 | pagey | I installed not connected to the net |
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| 12:21.31 | tralala | :) okay, enough |
| 12:21.36 | wols_ | pagey: then setup your sources.list |
| 12:21.39 | pagey | so synaptic was not installed etc etc |
| 12:21.42 | dig | pagey, check your /etc/sources.list |
| 12:21.45 | pagey | yep have |
| 12:21.56 | dig | apt-get update |
| 12:22.07 | pagey | I recall a deb-installer? |
| 12:22.08 | dig | info apt-get |
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| 12:22.10 | wols_ | pagey: do you want to install gnome, or do you want to install packages from inside gnome? |
| 12:22.21 | pagey | eg:opera |
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| 12:22.35 | dig | bääh |
| 12:22.40 | cydork | opera?? |
| 12:22.41 | wols_ | opera is proprietary crapware. not in debian. ask oprea.no or whoevre |
| 12:22.58 | pagey | its a deb package |
| 12:22.58 | dig | :-) |
| 12:23.02 | wols_ | pagey: please state cleary what you WANT to do |
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| 12:23.17 | cydork | pagey: man dpkg if you want to install a deb package |
| 12:23.19 | wols_ | pagey: it is not in debian, so we don't care about it. ask whoever gives you that deb package |
| 12:23.34 | pagey | ok I want the gnome variant of kpackage/ |
| 12:24.01 | wols_ | synaptic (at least it's grk based). gnome itself has nothing official for deb packages afaik |
| 12:24.25 | aceme | nobody experienced with webmin ? |
| 12:24.28 | pagey | ok so I will install kpackage |
| 12:24.39 | Ronin | aceme: not many here use it i suspect |
| 12:24.44 | dig | pagey do you mind asking, what the heck you need opera and kpackage for? |
| 12:24.46 | wols_ | aceme: nobody wants anything to do with webmin and its ilk at all. that should tell you something |
| 12:25.00 | Ronin | aceme: you dont really need it anyhow although its not to bad when starting out, the pretty pictures do make it a bit easier |
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| 12:25.16 | cydork | aceme: most of us use ssh :P |
| 12:25.22 | pagey | dig: It is a good browser |
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| 12:25.34 | dig | aceme: if you understand webmin you might as well do your admintask ina secure shell |
| 12:25.34 | pagey | fast with "gestures" |
| 12:25.43 | aceme | I agree |
| 12:25.47 | ncp- | Ronin: i have never used webmin so i dont know how it works, but why do people hate it so much? |
| 12:25.51 | aceme | but I can't start ftm the webmin |
| 12:25.57 | SinnerG | hmm, is there a script where I can add a command that must be ran on boot? |
| 12:25.58 | Ronin | !tell ncp- about webmin |
| 12:26.00 | aceme | I don't know where should I start |
| 12:26.14 | ncp- | heh |
| 12:26.16 | dig | pagey: install firefox gestures? |
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| 12:26.30 | Ronin | locally i acutally have it installed, dont use it much mind you but its there |
| 12:26.44 | dig | aceme, it runs on a very special port somewhere around 10000 or so... |
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| 12:27.02 | dig | read the manual or the README.txt in the webmin or read info webmin |
| 12:27.05 | aceme | in http://localhost:10000? |
| 12:27.18 | wols_ | aceme: /msg dpkg grounding /msg dpkg refcard |
| 12:27.20 | Ronin | aceme: read the readme its all in there |
| 12:27.31 | dig | listen to Ronin aceme |
| 12:27.33 | aceme | I was not able to find a manual |
| 12:27.48 | pagey | dig: firefox gestures,,tell me more? |
| 12:27.53 | wols_ | aceme: manual for? webmin? /usr/share/doc/webmin |
| 12:28.01 | wols_ | possibly there is a webmin-doc package |
| 12:28.12 | wols_ | pagey: it's an extension. addons.mozilla.com |
| 12:28.28 | pagey | wols_: cheers |
| 12:28.36 | wols_ | SinnerG: /msg dpkg sysvinit |
| 12:28.39 | goner | ok , know i know my eht0 drivers are loaded because it started to tell my that the ethernet connection is present and lost |
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| 12:29.01 | dig | pagey, you can look in firefox, click on extras and then extensions it will get you there... |
| 12:29.12 | wols_ | goner: good, now you know for which eth you need to edit the file |
| 12:29.44 | goner | but i sill dosent undestand what i must write to this file |
| 12:30.11 | dig | goner it is still written in the man |
| 12:30.13 | wols_ | goner: tell us what you think you should write and ppssibly why exactly that |
| 12:30.23 | pagey | dig: what exactly is the ext: called? |
| 12:30.32 | SinnerG | so, does anyone know where I could find a way to run a certain cmd on boot? |
| 12:30.38 | dig | search for gestures? |
| 12:30.40 | wols_ | pagey: search for gestures. there are several IIRC |
| 12:30.50 | cydork | !tell SinnerG about startup |
| 12:31.03 | wols_ | SinnerG: do what I told you. ask dpkg |
| 12:31.56 | goner | i think : iface eht0-home inet static and the adresses because i have always the same ip when i put the lan cable to my computer |
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| 12:32.02 | aceme | now I have to ask again about iptables ! I need them ! I want to allow access to that webmin only from a certain IP ! |
| 12:32.36 | goner | but i know i am using a dhcp connection so i would write : iface eth0-home inet dhcp |
| 12:32.36 | dig | ho aceme, that means you found the man and the url for webmin? |
| 12:32.50 | Nuxx | that u can do in webmin configutrations aceme |
| 12:32.52 | pagey | wols_: cheers ,,found it |
| 12:32.59 | dig | you can still use the .htaccess file |
| 12:33.01 | cydork | goner: you dont need mapping, just use iface eth0 inet dhcp or what ever. |
| 12:33.17 | goner | ok i try |
| 12:33.17 | dig | that is what dhcp is for goner |
| 12:33.20 | pagey | wols_: mmmm opera does not look so hot (*_*) |
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| 12:33.35 | dig | pagey, now you are talking... |
| 12:33.51 | goner | then i must restart my networking ? after i am edited the fail |
| 12:33.52 | goner | ? |
| 12:34.03 | aceme | Muxx in fact what i am doing there is applied to the system ! Promiss will be last quest than I'll read more soon |
| 12:34.06 | cydork | goner: yes |
| 12:34.10 | pagey | dig: it rocks,,Like the "downloader' ext |
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| 12:34.54 | dig | pagey: that is because it is open source! |
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| 12:36.04 | aceme | ok ! I think is somehow but now I'll leave you ! thank you all |
| 12:36.12 | wols_ | goner: no. you want dhcp, so it can't be static |
| 12:36.19 | wols_ | oops. too late |
| 12:36.45 | wols_ | goner: /etc/init.d/networking restart btw |
| 12:36.45 | goner | is command for network restart : /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 12:36.51 | Braindead | yep |
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| 12:37.16 | wols_ | after you ran that, check with ifconfig if the new (proper) IP is set |
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| 12:37.32 | goner | if it is then it says the same what before : Reconfiguring network interfaces...ifup: interface lo already configured done. |
| 12:37.53 | goner | and i dont have network connection |
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| 12:38.10 | wols_ | you need to make sure your eth0 config is actually used with "auto" |
| 12:38.37 | wols_ | and that's written in man interfaces btw |
| 12:38.41 | Braindead | ifup eth0 should do the job,right now. then fix your interfaces file |
| 12:38.57 | pagey | dig: the fonts in the fox are not so nice/ |
| 12:39.05 | goner | the frist line in etc/network/interfaces/ is auto lo |
| 12:39.39 | wols_ | goner: which automatically brings up the lo loopback interface. look at man interfaces which explains the "auto" keyword |
| 12:39.47 | dig | pagey, this has to do with the fonts in debian... try /msg dpkg fonts or /msg dpkg ttf or something like that... |
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| 12:41.25 | goner | then i must change the first line to : eth0 auto lo |
| 12:41.33 | goner | is it right |
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| 12:42.08 | wols_ | yes |
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| 12:42.24 | wols_ | oops. no. right words, wrong ordering |
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| 12:42.37 | wols_ | note how it says "auto lo" |
| 12:42.37 | goner | auto lo eht0 |
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| 12:42.52 | goner | it says: auto lo |
| 12:42.56 | goner | nothing more |
| 12:42.59 | goner | just it |
| 12:43.15 | brownie17 | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/source: No such file or directory. Stop.make: *** [compile] Error 2 |
| 12:43.22 | brownie17 | what does this mean? |
| 12:43.22 | SlayerXP | goner: tell me, did you ever consider reading a debian newbie guide? |
| 12:43.23 | wols_ | look in man interfaces. it's right there |
| 12:43.28 | goner | auto lo means auto load ? right? |
| 12:43.43 | wols_ | lo means "loopback" here |
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| 12:43.48 | SlayerXP | brownie17: it means that there was no such file or directory |
| 12:43.53 | goner | i have readed it but i have not found what im looking |
| 12:43.56 | wols_ | nothing about load. lo is a network device like eth0 |
| 12:44.03 | d4d0bre | Setting up bash (2.05b-26) ... |
| 12:44.03 | d4d0bre | chmod: invalid mode: --reference=/etc/shells |
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| 12:44.10 | d4d0bre | any ideas whats wrong= |
| 12:44.10 | Noxville | hi all, does any1 know how to bridge ethernet connections and run iptables on the bridge?? i'm running an old version of ubuntu which is based on debian |
| 12:44.12 | brownie17 | SlayerXP, lol, nice explaination. how do i fix it. i've downloaded the source package for my kernel |
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| 12:44.19 | Braindead | goner: bullshit. read man interfaces |
| 12:44.24 | wols_ | !based on debian |
| 12:44.24 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 12:44.39 | Braindead | goner: guess what the first example is? auto lo eth0 |
| 12:44.54 | muh2000 | hi all |
| 12:44.55 | infernixx | I'm trying to log the X text console output to a file, e.g. the stdout and stderr output from scripts that are ran inside .xinitrc. is there an option for that somewhere or should i just add the usual 2>&1 > /Xconsole.log? |
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| 12:45.15 | wols_ | infernixx: /var/log/X* |
| 12:45.27 | SlayerXP | brownie17: you start by reading the rest of the error message that indicates which file or directory is missing |
| 12:45.29 | Noxville | okay, no need to be nasty..... |
| 12:45.31 | infernixx | wols_: read again. i'm not talking about X itself. |
| 12:45.56 | Braindead | infernixx: it was meant for noxville |
| 12:45.57 | muh2000 | is there a way to create a initrd.img with make-kpkg ? |
| 12:46.03 | wols_ | infernixx: you already answered your own question then |
| 12:46.15 | brownie17 | SlayerXP, well i posted the whole error message. it tellsm the "/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/source" is missing. i don't know why because shouldn't the p[ackage create it? |
| 12:46.24 | infernixx | wols_: thought so. :) |
| 12:46.45 | wols_ | brownie17: how did you start make and why inside this directory? |
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| 12:47.18 | brownie17 | wols_, because that is the directory the package i'm trying to make is in, and i started it by typing make. |
| 12:47.42 | Braindead | brownie17: what's the package anyway? |
| 12:47.43 | wols_ | brownie17: why is it in there? it's no directory for sources at all. have you unpacked it there? |
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| 12:49.05 | brownie17 | braindead, wols_, it's the new version of alsa, i unpacked the tarball and am trying to compile it. i unpacked it to that directroy in my home folder because i thought the directroy it starts in doesn't matter. it hasn't for any other thingo i've compiled |
| 12:49.29 | wols_ | this is not your home directory |
| 12:49.40 | Braindead | brownie17: stop compiling shit from tarballs you find around,it's not the way to make a backport |
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| 12:49.54 | brownie17 | wols_, that is not an indication of the location of the files i'm compiling, rather a directory they're trying to write to |
| 12:50.11 | brownie17 | Braindead, how th hell else am i gonna get the new alsa? |
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| 12:50.28 | wols_ | brownie17: with a new kernel |
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| 12:50.37 | wols_ | brownie17: how new does it have to be? |
| 12:50.57 | brownie17 | wols_, is there a newer one that has the new alsa than 2.6.8-3-686 that is stable and supported? |
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| 12:51.07 | brownie17 | wols_, i want 1.0.9 + i think |
| 12:51.21 | goner | thanks to everybody for help , i got my network running |
| 12:51.22 | Braindead | dpkg: tell brownie17 about backports |
| 12:51.23 | wols_ | you can get backports |
| 12:51.44 | wols_ | brownie17: cause your mogrified alsa kernel certainly is NOT supported in any way |
| 12:51.50 | brownie17 | wols_, do i have to be running sid? |
| 12:52.05 | wols_ | no you don't. follow dpkg. it's wise |
| 12:52.11 | brownie17 | lol okay |
| 12:52.16 | brownie17 | thanks guys. i'll give it s hot |
| 12:52.18 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:52.40 | brownie17 | should i just have to add a line to my sources list? |
| 12:52.43 | pagey | dig: got the fonts in the fox perfect |
| 12:52.46 | linux2 | anyone know who invented troppix??? |
| 12:52.52 | linux2 | i am searching forever with no results |
| 12:52.53 | wols_ | brownie17: you should read the info on backports.org |
| 12:52.53 | linux2 | please help |
| 12:52.55 | Braindead | linux2: is it a quiz? |
| 12:53.02 | linux2 | Braindead: if you want it to be |
| 12:53.26 | wols_ | linux2: the troppix team (no really!) |
| 12:53.40 | dig | !tell linux2 about derivatives? |
| 12:53.57 | Braindead | linux2: http://knoppix.net/about.php |
| 12:54.05 | Braindead | I admit it's pretty hard to find |
| 12:54.11 | Braindead | what's the prize then? |
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| 12:54.16 | wols_ | linux2: Christophe Devine. or at least he knows who did make it |
| 12:54.26 | wols_ | linux2: whois troppix.net |
| 12:54.28 | Braindead | aaaaah |
| 12:54.30 | Braindead | sooooooorry |
| 12:54.39 | Braindead | I read,knoppix |
| 12:54.41 | infernixx | ah. to be more precise, is there a way to log the output X sends to its VT when it's started? a simple stderr and stdout redirect with 2&>1 isn't enough it seems, probably because of the fact that it creates a VT. |
| 12:54.46 | eSa| | is it possible to see the configure options used to build a particular program (squid in my case) |
| 12:54.48 | Braindead | gotta take a bap,sorry :( |
| 12:54.49 | eSa| | ? |
| 12:55.01 | brownie17 | what's mutt? |
| 12:55.05 | Braindead | ahem nap. yes,lack of sleep |
| 12:55.09 | wols_ | brownie17: a email client |
| 12:55.14 | brownie17 | okay |
| 12:55.21 | wols_ | eSa|: /debian directory in source packages |
| 12:55.35 | wols_ | eSa|: control is the script I think, but not sure |
| 12:56.02 | eSa| | thnx |
| 12:56.36 | linux2 | wols_: so was it really christophe devine? |
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| 12:56.51 | linux2 | wols_: like is that the guy who comes up at the boot of troppix? |
| 12:56.57 | linux2 | and troppix.net doesn't work |
| 12:57.02 | wols_ | linux2: it was a team afaik. but he probably belonged to it. |
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| 12:57.36 | wols_ | I dunno anything about troppix. never ran it. all I did was a google search and a whois. something YOU could have done on your own with the help of 2 braincells |
| 12:57.39 | linux2 | wols_: got a list of the team members |
| 12:57.52 | linux2 | wols_: i did, but im on a school network and it blocks everything |
| 12:57.52 | wols_ | linux2: cause #debian surely is the wrong place to ask. we don't do troppix or knoppix |
| 12:58.11 | wols_ | then don't abuse #debian as your intelligent proxy |
| 12:58.15 | linux2 | lol |
| 12:58.18 | linux2 | ok thanks anyways |
| 12:58.47 | eSa| | hmmm i bet there must be some dpkg spell wich can tell me that thing |
| 12:59.04 | brownie17 | wols_, i added backports, but they don't actually have the alsa driver version any higher, just the alsa tools and crap |
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| 12:59.36 | wols_ | brownie17: reread what I said: i did not talk about alsa from backports.org |
| 12:59.52 | wols_ | and think where the alsa drivers are in your current install. think long and hard |
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| 13:02.46 | brownie17 | wols_, is that to say i need to get a newer kernel? i'm a linux n00b. plus a deadshit in genereal to boot. spell it out |
| 13:03.53 | psycodad | simonvn, wols_ : i have fetched the latest netboot installers and tried with them, the card is not recognised by sarge (i also tried switching to vt2 and entering modprobe tg3) but it is finely recognized by sid and etch |
| 13:04.39 | incorrect | is there an upgrade to etch howto? |
| 13:05.03 | dig | if you need it incorrect, then you shouldnt do it... |
| 13:05.25 | tralala | brownie17: yes, you need a newer kernel if your current one doesn't support your sound card |
| 13:05.30 | cahoot | catch 22? |
| 13:05.30 | incorrect | well i've seen some docs on the matter, and dist-upgrade isn't mentioned, |
| 13:05.32 | dig | upgrading to etch means that you know your stuff very well incorrect? |
| 13:05.49 | dig | correct? :-) |
| 13:06.01 | incorrect | dig: i put my own distro together once |
| 13:06.04 | brownie17 | tralala, well is there a newer kernel than 2.6.8-3-686? if so, i'm too stupid to find one |
| 13:06.16 | dig | which kind of distro? |
| 13:06.36 | tralala | brownie17: not in sarge but you can grab one from backports.org |
| 13:06.53 | brownie17 | tralala, i've got backports enabled, so shouldn't they show up in synaptic? |
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| 13:07.06 | incorrect | well based on LSF but i made myself a rough package management tool |
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| 13:07.19 | tralala | brownie17: they should. Note that it's called linux-image now |
| 13:07.41 | brownie17 | tralala, thanks |
| 13:07.57 | tralala | brownie17: you're welcome |
| 13:07.58 | wols_ | brownie17: 2.6.16 should be in there |
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| 13:08.10 | dig | brownie: what kind of soundcard is it? are you sure that this is not due to your error? I found that I had to configure my soundcard and then add the users to the sound group and to the dev/dsp group or so... |
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| 13:08.43 | cahoot | dig: you sure about that? |
| 13:08.53 | brownie17 | wols_, 2.6.17 is there aswell |
| 13:09.22 | brownie17 | dig, the soundcard works fine, but i want DMIX to be auto enabled. |
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| 13:09.48 | tralala | brownie17: dmix can be enabled as a module option iirc |
| 13:10.01 | stew | brownie17: and if not, from a .asoundrc |
| 13:10.04 | mircean | it is possible to revert to a prior version (in testing) ? |
| 13:10.11 | tralala | upgrading the whole kernel for something like that is an overkill by far |
| 13:10.18 | mircean | of a package (php5 in my case) |
| 13:10.22 | write_erase | Hi, What's the procedure to build a new netinstall CD Debian Sarge with customized kernel ? |
| 13:10.37 | psycodad | do i get it right, that if i install sid and /etc/apt/sources.lst mentions sid not testing as distro, one sid gets stable i'll be automatically on stable (presumed i do regular apt-get upgrade) ? |
| 13:10.43 | tralala | mircean: /msg dpkg s.d.n |
| 13:10.46 | stew | mircean: "apt-get install package=version" if its still in the archive, or else you have to get it from sdn: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 13:11.09 | stew | mircean: or see if its still in your package cache in /var/lib/apt/archives |
| 13:11.15 | psycodad | s/one/once/ |
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| 13:11.27 | dig | that is what I mean cahoot, often you advanced linux geeks help us beginners to go down far the road for a piece of tart when all we actually need is a piece of bread from the supermarket next door... |
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| 13:11.30 | stew | psycodad: sid will never become stable |
| 13:11.52 | cydork | !tell write_erase about custom cd |
| 13:12.07 | stew | psycodad: sid is always sid, once etch becomes stable, a new release is created to replace etch |
| 13:12.11 | tralala | psycodad: 1) sid will never get stable; 2) if your sources say testing you will always remain in testing no matter w |
| 13:12.15 | tralala | hat |
| 13:12.16 | write_erase | thx |
| 13:12.19 | psycodad | arg..messing again, meant etch |
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| 13:13.00 | dig | oops I thought sid was testing and etch was unstable.... |
| 13:13.06 | tralala | !fix dig |
| 13:13.07 | dig | and sid became stable while etch stayed etch... |
| 13:13.15 | stew | sid is the boy from toy story that breaks your toys |
| 13:13.23 | dig | aaah |
| 13:13.23 | mircean | stew: what means sdn from /msg dpkg sdn |
| 13:13.34 | stew | dpkg: tell mircean about sdn |
| 13:13.45 | dig | thx dpkg and tralala |
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| 13:13.58 | psycodad | stew: if i was talking about etch, am i right so far ? (at least i wasn't calling etch edge as this morning ;-)) |
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| 13:14.27 | dig | psycodad: this is why I got confused... |
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| 13:15.10 | tralala | psycodad: you will stick to whatever your sources.list contains |
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| 13:16.21 | stew | psycodad: yes |
| 13:16.36 | psycodad | so if i have etch (and meaning testing) as source and etch gets stable, i can just exchange etch with stable in sources.lst and i am on stable ? sorry for the ongoing questionning but i need to prepare quite a nice server and need to make sure it is updateable for some time |
| 13:16.43 | psycodad | thx.... |
| 13:17.13 | mircean | stew: thanks |
| 13:17.15 | stew | psycodad: you dont have to switch etch with stable ever (until you want to upgrade to etch + 1, whatever that will be called) |
| 13:17.15 | sep | psycodad, after the release you can change etch with stable |
| 13:17.41 | sep | but then you will track stable whatever that is at the time |
| 13:17.46 | psycodad | thanx for all the great answers! l8ter |
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| 13:18.24 | stew | IMO its always better to just stick to the release names. if you have stable in your sources, and a new stable is released, you will all of the sudden be mixing two releases which is BAD |
| 13:18.28 | tralala | psycodad: again you will stick to whatever the sources say. It they say etch you will stick to etch when it becomes stable and then when it becomes oldstable and so on. If they say stable you will stick to stable no matter how it's called. |
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| 13:19.34 | psycodad | stew, tralala : what i actually want is to install as stable as possible and then stay with stable as long as possible... so if stable gets updated to whatever i would like to follow that path and hope it works seemless |
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| 13:20.34 | vaq | Hello, i opened port 143 (IMAP) both TCP and UDP on my server, i can connect to the IMAP server just fine but when i try to retrieve any mails or view the Inbox im losing the connection to the server why? |
| 13:20.57 | dig | psycodad: possibly stew is right and you stay with etch until the new stable comes up and then you change your sources.list and dist-upgrade to the new stable, whatever this may be called then... |
| 13:21.40 | psycodad | dig, ok so i have more control about when i change to whatever-is-after-next-stable - right ? |
| 13:22.10 | psycodad | i have an sms-gateway on a 486-33 running on woody :-) |
| 13:22.14 | junix|work | is that bad? |
| 13:22.18 | psycodad | some 600 days uptime ;-) |
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| 13:23.00 | dig | psycodad: I wonder how to run an sms-gateway, what can you do with it? |
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| 13:23.53 | psycodad | dig: sms_client and a modem, internal folks send sms to coworkers in the field that way... |
| 13:24.05 | vaq | Hello, i opened port 143 (IMAP) both TCP and UDP on my server, i can connect to the IMAP server just fine but when i try to retrieve any mails or view the Inbox im losing the connection to the server why? |
| 13:24.09 | psycodad | running apache and the cgi if to sms_client |
| 13:24.51 | psycodad | vaq: maybe you can check /var/log/auth.log and /var/log/daemon.log as starting points |
| 13:25.08 | psycodad | you need only tcp for imap imho |
| 13:25.26 | psycodad | i redraw that imho, you only need tcp |
| 13:25.32 | sussudio | !vaq |
| 13:25.41 | locus | hello, can anyone tell me if there's a way to see which release an installed package belongs to. |
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| 13:26.02 | asg | locus: apt-cache policy <foo> |
| 13:26.20 | jensp | hi, is there a way to make sure that a package doesn't get upgraded? |
| 13:26.26 | asg | jensp: /msg dpkg hold |
| 13:26.28 | nevyn | yay for the rc3 team |
| 13:26.42 | nevyn | need to put the workaround for libsata on one of the help screens |
| 13:26.42 | locus | asg, thanks |
| 13:26.55 | vaq | psycodad: there are nothing, just CONNECTION and LOGIN nothing else. |
| 13:28.07 | psycodad | vaq: when you say you opened ports...are you running a firewall on that imap server ? |
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| 13:28.47 | vaq | psycodad: yes i am. |
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| 13:29.12 | vaq | psycodad: this is my rule to allow imap: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport imap -i eth0 -j ACCEPT |
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| 13:29.45 | psycodad | vaq: dunno about iptables but if situation allows, try disabling it and see if it works then, if it works check the firewall rules |
| 13:29.48 | vaq | psycodad: and it works just fine, i can connect to the IMAP server but i can't retrieve INBOX (e.g. the mails) |
| 13:30.02 | vaq | psycodad: when disabling it works. |
| 13:30.48 | psycodad | vaq: then you might try #iptables to get more help with your ruleset |
| 13:31.17 | psycodad | vaq: are you trying to connect from the same box ? |
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| 13:32.25 | Anarka | does anyone knows of a site(or something) with instructions on how to setup lirc to use bluetooth mobiles ? |
| 13:32.40 | littleball | hello, the server runing udevd. if the server has no sound card installed, does it mean /dev/dsp will not be installed? |
| 13:32.45 | littleball | hello, the server runing udevd. if the server has no sound card installed, does it mean /dev/dsp will not be created? |
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| 13:35.00 | stew | littleball: yes |
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| 13:35.54 | littleball | stew, how to enforce it to create? |
| 13:36.09 | littleball | and how to check my remote server has sound card or not? |
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| 13:36.44 | manmadha | can any one give the links to download debian dvd....?????/? |
| 13:36.57 | jetscreamer | lspci one way littleball |
| 13:37.04 | DaBlade | manmadha: It's on debian.org... |
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| 13:37.13 | asg | manmadha: http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 13:37.21 | DaBlade | manmadha: But if you have a permanent connection, you're better off downloading the net installer CD |
| 13:37.23 | manmadha | i want the dvd |
| 13:37.35 | tralala | littleball: even if you force dsp creation this won't help you. Check if asterisk can be configured to run without a soundcard. |
| 13:37.37 | asg | manmadha: Download CD/DVD images using HTTP or FTP. Due to space and bandwidth cons |
| 13:37.44 | psycodad | manmadha: consider bittorrent for dl |
| 13:37.59 | stew | littleball: you can check if one exists with lspci |
| 13:38.04 | manmadha | psycodad, ya can u give me that link? |
| 13:38.12 | stew | littleball: if you don't have a soundcard, why would you want a /dev/dsp? |
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| 13:38.39 | manmadha | ya got it |
| 13:38.42 | manmadha | thank u |
| 13:38.57 | jetscreamer | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 13:39.15 | psycodad | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r3/i386/bt-cd/ for bt |
| 13:39.37 | jetscreamer | hey waitaminute |
| 13:39.47 | jetscreamer | i'm psycho dad ... just ask my kids. |
| 13:40.20 | psycodad | heh, iam using this since about 1993... |
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| 13:44.03 | abrotman | is the internet wonky today? |
| 13:44.14 | asg | abrotman: no, but my water finally came back on |
| 13:44.41 | stew | abrotman: it's rebooting |
| 13:44.48 | abrotman | asg: your water broke? |
| 13:44.54 | abrotman | stew: argh! |
| 13:44.55 | asg | abrotman: oh, and the JediMUD server is down :( |
| 13:44.57 | jetscreamer | wonky... ah that hitech diagnostic term |
| 13:44.57 | tralala | the tubes must be clodged |
| 13:45.04 | joeyjones | abrotman: why would you askm if it's wonky? |
| 13:45.06 | asg | abrotman: no, some tard with a backhoe |
| 13:45.06 | stew | too many trucks |
| 13:45.18 | abrotman | joeyjones: connection issues to multiple hosts |
| 13:45.51 | tralala | !blame abrotman's ISP |
| 13:46.29 | abrotman | tralala: hey .. i got here |
| 13:47.20 | wols_ | abrotman: guess why the ISP got blamed? |
| 13:47.23 | tralala | abrotman: perhaps they are cutting your connections selectively |
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| 13:48.07 | abrotman | wols_: hey .. i'm not on comcast here :) |
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| 13:50.04 | abrotman | ah .. well .. one mystery solved .. jabber.org took a poop |
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| 13:51.36 | jetscreamer | hope you ducked |
| 13:51.45 | jetscreamer | or swerved rather |
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| 13:54.06 | tralala | abrotman: you should've started with jabber.org |
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| 13:54.13 | abrotman | tralala: ? |
| 13:54.23 | abrotman | tralala: there's another host too .. |
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| 13:56.20 | tralala | abrotman: It's safe to assume that it's possible to have two hosts simulataneousely donw out of the whole internet |
| 13:56.20 | naranha | i don't want a module to be loaded... added it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ... but it didnt work |
| 13:56.29 | abrotman | tralala: on the same day?! |
| 13:56.31 | MatBoy | !hug cydork |
| 13:56.55 | tralala | abrotman: yes, simulataneousely as "at the same time" |
| 13:56.55 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 13:56.55 | dpkg | blacklist is probably Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 13:57.01 | abrotman | tralala: no freaking way! |
| 13:57.15 | abrotman | it's the intarweb .. it's redundant! |
| 13:57.17 | naranha | thx :) |
| 13:57.23 | MatBoy | abrotman, damn... /msg the bot himself :p |
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| 13:57.37 | abrotman | MatBoy: he didn't know the factoid |
| 13:57.47 | MatBoy | abrotman, ;) |
| 13:58.14 | tralala | abrotman: what's wrong with jabber.org anyhow? |
| 13:58.21 | abrotman | MatBoy: and it's slightly different than you giving yourself a beer every 20 minutes |
| 13:58.25 | abrotman | tralala: no workie |
| 13:58.31 | naranha | i'm using etch, so i did the right thing, right ;)? |
| 13:58.44 | abrotman | naranha: there's a format forit |
| 13:58.44 | MatBoy | abrotman, you only complained when I did it with the Java-package |
| 13:58.49 | MatBoy | never before ;) |
| 13:58.55 | abrotman | MatBoy: it was the summation |
| 13:58.56 | MatBoy | I think you were having a bad day :) |
| 13:58.59 | cydork | MatBoy: get a hobbie or better get a gf :P |
| 13:59.03 | cydork | MatBoy: heh |
| 13:59.13 | naranha | yeah i added the line "blacklist agpgart" |
| 13:59.22 | MatBoy | cydork, :D my man !!! where were you ? |
| 13:59.38 | MatBoy | abrotman, for you yeah ;) |
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| 13:59.57 | tralala | abrotman: that much I can tell since I'm unable to connect but you sounded like you've found the reason. |
| 14:00.07 | CVirus | is there a way I could find what the first installation CD contains ? |
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| 14:00.22 | abrotman | tralala: http://status.jabber.org |
| 14:00.26 | asg | CVirus: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 14:00.38 | abrotman | asg: more vaca! |
| 14:00.46 | CVirus | asg: Thanks |
| 14:00.48 | MatBoy | cydork, I missed you |
| 14:00.56 | MatBoy | cydork, could not sleep |
| 14:01.05 | tralala | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:01.19 | abrotman | tralala: notice the flatlines :) |
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| 14:01.30 | cydork | !nuke MatBoy |
| 14:01.38 | naranha | do i have to run a command after editing /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist .. like update-modules ? |
| 14:02.01 | azeem | naranha: I don't think so, it should take effect on the next reboot |
| 14:02.27 | abrotman | naranha: i thought you had to put in `blacklist <modulename>` |
| 14:02.38 | MatBoy | !love cydork to make piece again :p |
| 14:02.43 | Nosf3ratu | Fuck you, cunt. |
| 14:02.44 | abrotman | peace |
| 14:02.46 | naranha | thats what i did, but its still loaded... maybe because other modules depend on it? |
| 14:02.56 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: wrong channel ? |
| 14:03.02 | MatBoy | abrotman, :) |
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| 14:03.04 | abrotman | naranha: yes .. that is one reason |
| 14:03.12 | tralala | abrotman: yeah, the inbound and outbound servers also provide an interesting read :) |
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| 14:03.28 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 14:03.53 | abrotman | tralala: basically .. machine is still there .. ejabberd (yay erlang) crashed .. again |
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| 14:04.17 | cydork | why is abs-guide in non-free? i always have struggle to find it :P |
| 14:04.22 | naranha | so what should i do..? |
| 14:04.22 | MatBoy | !beer cydork to get him drunk so he can make love without noticing it |
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| 14:04.45 | asg | cydork: at a guess, I'd say the license makes it non-DFSG |
| 14:04.48 | cydork | MatBoy: you are offtopic :) |
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| 14:04.59 | MatBoy | cydork, was is not to find on google ? |
| 14:05.00 | JordiGH | I need to recommend a good free format for video. Besides Ogg Theora, what else is there? |
| 14:05.03 | brownie17 | is lilo better or grub? |
| 14:05.10 | MatBoy | cydork, don't hide for it man :P |
| 14:05.12 | abrotman | depends |
| 14:05.18 | abrotman | for somethings .. lilo is better .. others .. grub |
| 14:05.24 | cydork | asg: why what's wrong with his licence? vrms doesn't say anything. |
| 14:05.25 | naranha | i try rebooting again :) |
| 14:05.34 | cydork | s/his/it's/ |
| 14:05.36 | MatBoy | lilo is very nice for Softraidbooting :) |
| 14:05.40 | stew | brownie17: they each have their strenghts, unless you have reason, you should probably start with grub |
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| 14:05.43 | jetscreamer | JordiGH: that's a trick question... do you mean container or codec, what are you going to do... |
| 14:06.01 | MatBoy | grub is nicer because you can edit the boot-lines easier in my opninion |
| 14:06.02 | tarzeau | lilo is dead |
| 14:06.04 | asg | cydork: you might check the debian-devel archives. |
| 14:06.06 | jetscreamer | JordiGH: you can also try asking in #mplayer |
| 14:06.06 | MatBoy | -n |
| 14:06.10 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: I'm going to tell a room full of mathematicians to try not to use .wmv for their animations, if they brought any to the conference. |
| 14:06.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: not funny .. at all |
| 14:06.13 | MatBoy | tarzeau, nope it sin;t |
| 14:06.16 | jetscreamer | hey geniack |
| 14:06.23 | brownie17 | stew, how about this for a reason? lilo installed itself. apparently i've gotta do some liloconfig or it won't work. how do do that? |
| 14:06.25 | jetscreamer | oh it was a msg |
| 14:06.43 | stew | brownie17: do you use lvm or software raid? |
| 14:06.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: it wasn't a joke or meant to be funny |
| 14:06.59 | brownie17 | stew, no idea what either of those are. i have two IDE Hd's |
| 14:07.24 | MatBoy | brownie17, in a mirror ? |
| 14:07.32 | pihhan | hello |
| 14:07.42 | Ono | skystar2 cards work linux ? |
| 14:07.47 | pihhan | is there some ldap authentication plugin for apache2 in sarge? |
| 14:07.50 | stew | brownie17: well you'd configure lilo by editing /etc/lilo.conf (man lilo.conf for the syntax) but i'd recommend you consider switching to grub: /msg dpkg lilo->grub |
| 14:07.54 | asg | cydork: it's released with an OPL license and the restrictions on modification are likely what is making it non-free |
| 14:08.08 | jetscreamer | JordiGH: 'maybe' divx in an avi .... sounds like what you might want. up2u though. http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/index.html |
| 14:08.08 | incorrect | what version of gnome is in etch? |
| 14:08.12 | MatBoy | stew, only when he boots from 1 HD |
| 14:08.14 | stew | incorrect: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 14:08.22 | brownie17 | stew, i did have grub, lilo installed itself with my new kernel version. i'd rather use grub |
| 14:08.23 | MatBoy | stew, I mean, no SWraid |
| 14:08.39 | stew | brownie17: what version of debian, which kernel version? |
| 14:08.44 | JordiGH | I thought avi was another Windows format... |
| 14:08.48 | jetscreamer | brownie17: grub may not have been uninstalled |
| 14:08.58 | incorrect | ty |
| 14:08.58 | cydork | asg: oh ok |
| 14:09.01 | MatBoy | brownie17, Lilo can only install easy on SWraid, grub can't in Debian that easie |
| 14:09.03 | MatBoy | easy |
| 14:09.15 | stew | MatBoy: grub is fine on raid1 |
| 14:09.32 | brownie17 | stew, it was the latest from the backports. |
| 14:09.32 | MatBoy | stew, yes, but you have to install grub manually to each HD |
| 14:09.42 | stew | MatBoy: no you don't |
| 14:09.50 | brownie17 | jetscreamer, so i should just nbe able to purge lilo and that's it? |
| 14:09.54 | jetscreamer | JordiGH: not exactly... and .mkv is like avi on steroids, what avi should have been. avi is a container... the codecs inside are what can be windows-y |
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| 14:10.02 | stew | brownie17: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:10.12 | jetscreamer | brownie17: a, i said maybe, and b, more like grub-install hd0 |
| 14:10.30 | MatBoy | stew, you do, or it has been changed.... while installing on SWraid one with the latest NetISO... grub was failing on installation on MBR... lilo did it great ! |
| 14:10.33 | brownie17 | stew, haven't booted in the new kernel yet. just downloaded it |
| 14:11.23 | stew | brownie17: which version of grub is installed? "apt-cache policy grub" will tell you in the Installed: field |
| 14:11.51 | stew | brownie17: if you didn't also get grub from backports.org, you can't use grub |
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| 14:12.23 | brownie17 | stew, none is installed accroding to that. |
| 14:12.34 | brownie17 | stew, can i get grub from backports now then and it will work? |
| 14:12.37 | stew | MatBoy: what about grub failing to install on your mbr means that one must install grub to both hard drives? |
| 14:13.00 | MatBoy | stew, ? |
| 14:13.08 | MatBoy | I don't get you |
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| 14:13.20 | stew | brownie17: yes, install grub from backports, then read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian |
| 14:13.26 | MatBoy | stew, I had the same with CentOS... it boots not well... you have to install is manually |
| 14:14.06 | stew | MatBoy: you seem to be saying, "you have to install grub manually to each HD", " it has been changed.... while installing on SWraid one with the latest NetISO... grub was failing on installation on MBR" and i don't understand the logic there, how one statement is the conclusion of the other |
| 14:14.07 | tralala | MatBoy: at least I've never had to install it a second time |
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| 14:14.34 | stew | MatBoy: 'works for me' |
| 14:14.36 | MatBoy | stew, that can be when you have experienced it |
| 14:14.39 | tralala | and I've never had my PC freeze on boot with only "LIL" displayed |
| 14:14.53 | jetscreamer | i have |
| 14:15.00 | tralala | with grub? |
| 14:15.07 | MatBoy | stew, it worked before, now it didn't and when I chose Lilo... it worked directly |
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| 14:15.23 | MatBoy | Grub will never install itself on the second HD... beware of that ! |
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| 14:15.30 | jetscreamer | i've had the 999999999999999999999999999999 too |
| 14:15.33 | brownie17 | stew, where is the grubconf file? |
| 14:15.45 | jetscreamer | usually /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:15.47 | MatBoy | brownie17, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:15.57 | stew | MatBoy: i understand that you had trouble with grub and not lilo, i just don't understand why you say that you have to install grub manually to both drives |
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| 14:16.07 | samuel_ | hello |
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| 14:16.33 | asg | abrotman: ... |
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| 14:16.38 | stew | brownie17: /boot/grub/menu.lst or /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst depeending if you have /boot as a separate partition. if you follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian, this file will be created for you |
| 14:16.38 | abrotman | asg: !!! |
| 14:16.46 | MatBoy | stew, Grub will not install itself to the MD, so OK... to sda or hda it will... but for sdb or hdb.. you have to do that manually |
| 14:16.47 | asg | zoinks! |
| 14:16.57 | tralala | jetscreamer: from grub for no reason? |
| 14:17.17 | MatBoy | stew, it can happen that grub will not install itself on both drives... so you have to rescue the install and install it manually to both drives to be sure |
| 14:17.44 | brownie17 | stew, i'm gonna try a restart into the new kernel now, hopefully we'll speak ina few mins |
| 14:17.47 | MatBoy | stew, I mean on both to be sure... I don't want top go back to the DC :) |
| 14:17.55 | MatBoy | s/top/to |
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| 14:18.06 | possie | isn't it possible to kill a zombie process? |
| 14:18.13 | tralala | possie: no |
| 14:18.15 | asg | possie: no, it's already dead |
| 14:18.20 | possie | asg, hmm okee |
| 14:18.23 | stew | something tells me that brownie17 didn't run both grub-install and update-grub, let's hope i'm wrong |
| 14:18.27 | possie | asg, intresting stuff :-) |
| 14:18.29 | MatBoy | possie, no... reboot :p |
| 14:18.34 | asg | possie: kill its parent or reboot |
| 14:18.41 | MatBoy | stew, can happen indeed :) |
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| 14:19.06 | tralala | possie: or leave it as it is if it is not disturbing your work |
| 14:19.08 | jetscreamer | tralala: no i only get lilo errors when i'm using grub... or when i try to boot an hd by accident that had lilo on it instead of the correct hd that has the grub |
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| 14:19.16 | possie | k thanks all |
| 14:19.18 | jetscreamer | tralala: ugh i kldkfhd |
| 14:19.30 | jetscreamer | tralala: no i only get lilo errors when i'm using lilo... or when i try to boot an hd by accident that had lilo on it instead of the correct hd that has the grub |
| 14:20.01 | jetscreamer | sounds like he's booting the wrong hd come to think of it |
| 14:20.09 | tralala | jetscreamer: I mean that I've never had a boot error with grub so far unlike lilo |
| 14:20.23 | jetscreamer | oh i've had grub errors |
| 14:20.37 | jetscreamer | but it wasn't grub's fault |
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| 14:21.31 | tralala | yeah, I guessed so. Even if you break your menu.lst you can still boot the system manually |
| 14:21.48 | jetscreamer | i like my grub-floppy |
| 14:22.00 | tralala | I lack a floppy drive |
| 14:22.13 | jetscreamer | so does the box at work :/ |
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| 14:22.23 | jetscreamer | i have to use a cd |
| 14:22.29 | brownie17 | stew, dmix still doesn't work. after all that |
| 14:22.37 | JordiGH | Floppies are teh suck, yes? |
| 14:22.51 | jetscreamer | floppies rock, depending |
| 14:23.00 | JordiGH | Or are we all in love with anachronistic technology? |
| 14:23.06 | jetscreamer | they aren't good for storing large files, but they boot stuff well |
| 14:23.07 | limpio | hi all, i got sarge on my hda with grub on the MBR, i want to install sid on my second hd (hdd) can i install grub to the MBR too? will it work? |
| 14:23.17 | jbalcomb | Hi. I have installed Debain testing (aka Etch?) twice and both times my GRUB bootloader install fails. Can you please say why and how can I make it work? |
| 14:23.37 | JordiGH | limpio: Sure. Just tell your BIOS which drive to boot from first. |
| 14:23.51 | tralala | Yes, they are only good to be used as grub floppies. I have one too although I haven't used it much lately. |
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| 14:24.02 | brownie17 | jetscreamer, i went to all rthat trouble to install new kernel so alsa would have dmix built in, but for some reason it doesn't seem to be working |
| 14:24.16 | stew | brownie17: what sound card do you have? |
| 14:24.22 | limpio | JordiGH, thx |
| 14:24.24 | jetscreamer | dmix is a program isn't it |
| 14:24.34 | qwertz | Hi, is there any way to give processes a memory limit so that a process can not allocate more memory than allowed? |
| 14:24.40 | brownie17 | stew, dunno. sis built in, does not have a hardware mixer. that's why i want dmix |
| 14:24.54 | jetscreamer | jbalcomb: ask also in #grub, can't hurt to increase the odds in your favor |
| 14:24.56 | stew | brownie17: you need to configure an asoundrc afaik |
| 14:24.58 | JordiGH | limpio: Although you really don't need to install more than one grub. You can tell grub to boot a Debian in a different hard drive if you want. |
| 14:25.06 | stew | !dmix |
| 14:25.06 | dpkg | i heard dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 14:25.10 | stew | brownie17: ^^ |
| 14:25.20 | limpio | JordiGH, i can do that from the grub.lst iirc |
| 14:25.32 | JordiGH | limpio: Of course. |
| 14:25.46 | brownie17 | stew, is configuring asoundrc hard? |
| 14:26.09 | covux | hi, i got following error when installing a selfbaked linux-image (make-kpkg) with dpkg -i "expr: non-numeric argument, User postinst hook script [/sbin/update-grub] exited with value 3" thanks for any help |
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| 14:26.25 | limpio | JordiGH, i remember reading something about 'mapping' grub in the hdd |
| 14:26.31 | cydork | brownie17: take a look at those links, it has examples too |
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| 14:27.02 | jbalcomb | jetscreamer: ok, i did. I would think this would be a known problem for a default install. |
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| 14:27.14 | jetscreamer | limpio: if you're trying to jsut boot linux you don't need all that... just another stanza with root= after the kernel line |
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| 14:27.30 | jetscreamer | jbalcomb: how many sata/ide/pata controllers |
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| 14:27.56 | jetscreamer | you may need grub installed on the partition but i'm not sure/positive limpio |
| 14:27.59 | stew | brownie17: i have found it a little confusing, but there are a couple of urls there with examples |
| 14:28.01 | Slick | hello |
| 14:28.05 | cydork | covux: which version of debian are you using? |
| 14:28.21 | limpio | jetscreamer, yeah, i have to google that 'mapping' stuff |
| 14:28.40 | covux | cydork: debian unstable latest grub |
| 14:28.42 | jetscreamer | limpio: apt-get install grub-doc && info grub |
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| 14:28.57 | limpio | jetscreamer, thx bud |
| 14:28.58 | jetscreamer | the manpage kinda sucks |
| 14:29.08 | stew | Slick: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 14:29.21 | Slick | stew nope :) |
| 14:29.29 | Slick | i just come here for PvPGN :) |
| 14:29.51 | jetscreamer | is that like cybering? |
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| 14:30.00 | joeyjones | leaving now.. cya! |
| 14:30.00 | ALVAN | hi all |
| 14:30.01 | Slick | no |
| 14:30.13 | ALVAN | i can generate a x-509 certificate |
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| 14:30.21 | cydork | covux: are you using default postinst script? can you paste the whole error in a paster |
| 14:30.26 | ALVAN | that wil never expire if i use -x509 -days 0? |
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| 14:31.21 | covux | cydork: sure, moment please |
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| 14:31.51 | jbalcomb | jetscreamer: i think just two IDE. Its a Dell Optiplex GX150 PC. |
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| 14:32.06 | brownie17 | stew, copied and paste like the link told me to, would i have to restart gdm or reboot or anything? |
| 14:32.19 | covux | cydork: http://www.pasting.de/?578 |
| 14:32.21 | stew | brownie17: i dont' know |
| 14:32.45 | brownie17 | anyone configured asoundrc recently? |
| 14:33.45 | brownie17 | stew, to make something hiddeen do you just have to start the name with a dot? |
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| 14:34.01 | covux | cydork: ah, and no i dont use postinst script |
| 14:34.15 | cydork | covux: ok can you paste the postinst script for the kernel. |
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| 14:34.55 | covux | cydork: ehrm, i mean i use the default one |
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| 14:35.42 | cydork | covux: can you paste that then .. |
| 14:35.46 | jetscreamer | jbalcomb: at a guess you have sata and ide... http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/optix_gx520?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd |
| 14:36.00 | jetscreamer | err sata and pata controllers |
| 14:36.38 | jetscreamer | jbalcomb: i've got to go to work, but try booting a -386/-486 kernel |
| 14:36.54 | cydork | covux: check bts first |
| 14:37.45 | covux | cydork: where do i find the default postinst script? |
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| 14:38.17 | jbalcomb | jetscreamer: ok, thanks. will do. |
| 14:39.16 | covux | cydork: allready checked bts and entire internet.. |
| 14:39.23 | Tallu | Uhm, how can I change the default encoding? My locale is english, my keymap is finnish, but default encoding is ansi_X3.4-1968 |
| 14:39.40 | cydork | covux: forget that what does /etc/kernel-img.conf say about postinst hook? |
| 14:40.07 | covux | cydork: /sbin/update-grub |
| 14:40.28 | cydork | covux: does /usr/bin/update-grub exist? |
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| 14:41.11 | covux | cydork: no, but /usr/sbin/update-grub |
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| 14:42.14 | qbit_wrk | herro |
| 14:42.16 | qbit_wrk | :) |
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| 14:42.32 | cydork | covux: ya sorry about that. use that in kernel-img.conf insteat |
| 14:42.46 | covux | cydork: k. |
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| 14:43.59 | covux | cydork: exactly the same behaviour. |
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| 14:45.52 | cydork | covux: hrmm |
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| 14:47.20 | incorrect | hello |
| 14:48.09 | incorrect | xchat has improved since i last used it |
| 14:48.25 | covux | cydork: do you know what "exited with value 3" <- this number stands for? must be a error code. i always wanted to know what its all about :) |
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| 14:49.09 | khermans | if i want to run a script at boot, will @boot work in crontab ? |
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| 14:49.50 | cydork | covux: your paste says expr: non-numeric argument |
| 14:49.52 | incorrect | what is the name of the gnome instant messenger thats good? |
| 14:50.04 | cydork | incorrect: gaim? |
| 14:50.08 | incorrect | thanks! |
| 14:50.19 | incorrect | sorry been using kde for 2 years |
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| 14:53.54 | luke-jr_work | why would you use GNOME anything? |
| 14:54.13 | petemc | what sort of a question is that? |
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| 14:54.36 | luke-jr_work | or GTK-based for that matter |
| 14:54.45 | Ronin | luke-jr_work: personal choice same as with everthing |
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| 14:54.55 | luke-jr_work | GNOME lacks in personal choice ;p |
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| 14:55.05 | Ronin | uh huh ok |
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| 14:55.27 | luke-jr_work | I'd bet my home setup isn't possible w/ GNOME unless I hack code |
| 14:55.31 | masadd | i dont have GL/gl.h header...what pkg should i install to get that? |
| 14:55.46 | azeem | luke-jr_work: so what, please try to be open minded when you speak up here |
| 14:55.49 | luke-jr_work | masadd: packages.debian.org has a search-by-file thing |
| 14:55.51 | petemc | "i use a heavily customised ion3 setup, everyone else is stupid" |
| 14:56.02 | Ronin | heh petemc |
| 14:56.06 | azeem | masadd: packages.debian.org has a search facility for that at the bottom |
| 14:56.11 | masadd | ok...thanx |
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| 14:56.33 | luke-jr_work | petemc: the point being that KDE allows such customization and exploration of new UIs without coding ;) |
| 14:57.01 | azeem | luke-jr_work: how is that point revelant WRT end-user Debian support? |
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| 14:58.02 | spldart | Help.... I'm trying to auto mount a windows share in my debian filesystem and have user RW access to it. Security is not the concern but just having it work... My entry in fstab is "//windows/C /home/user/test smbfs username=default,password=default,rw,user,auto,umask=0000 0 0" currently. It mounts but only root can access the mounted folder |
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| 15:01.05 | hburchey | spldart, What are the permissions on the mount point? |
| 15:02.06 | spldart | point /home/user/test is owned by user.. I just created it at the $ prompt |
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| 15:02.31 | hburchey | spldart, Do ls -ld /home/user/test |
| 15:02.40 | spldart | well... now it's root |
| 15:03.36 | spldart | as soon as I mounted it it became drwxr-xr-x 1 root root |
| 15:04.16 | spldart | it was drwxr-xr-x user user |
| 15:04.27 | hburchey | spldart, Well with those perms users should be able to browse it. |
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| 15:04.47 | hburchey | spldart, With the user try doing ls -l /home/user/test |
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| 15:05.16 | spldart | user can browse in terminal yes |
| 15:05.39 | spldart | I need to write though |
| 15:06.03 | spldart | and funny my file browser can't see the files but terminal can with both in user |
| 15:06.06 | filipe_ | I'm having a really strange problem with my file server. It has 15 500GB disks attached to 2 3ware 9550 controllers. |
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| 15:06.22 | filipe_ | divided into 2 RAID 5 array plus one single disk whre i keep the OS |
| 15:06.25 | spldart | But how do I give user's write access? |
| 15:07.01 | filipe_ | The server crashed 2 today (kernel problems) and everytime i reboot it i don't have partition table on the 2 disks of one of the controllers |
| 15:07.13 | filipe_ | I process by reinstalling the OS and doing xfs_repair on the filesystem to recover the data |
| 15:07.17 | filipe_ | but this is hardly a solution |
| 15:07.26 | filipe_ | Does anyone has any idea what could be the problem? |
| 15:07.40 | filipe_ | Could the controller be acting up? Could it be just a kernel bug? |
| 15:07.54 | aredhel | spldart, try removing user from the option list. I think that may be limiting it to the user that mounts the fs, in this case root. |
| 15:08.02 | filipe_ | I'm running debian stable by the way |
| 15:08.04 | spldart | ah |
| 15:08.07 | spldart | I'll try that |
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| 15:09.48 | spldart | :( |
| 15:09.49 | spldart | no joy.. now both are root write only |
| 15:09.49 | spldart | both tests |
| 15:10.25 | spldart | and when I umount the permissions return to user |
| 15:10.39 | dorel__ | after doing changes to /etc/crontab there's no need to reload anything, right? |
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| 15:11.04 | jbalcomb | hey, how come on the install of debian testing I'm seeing /sbin/grub-install "no such file or directory"? |
| 15:11.10 | beardy | dorel__: Why aren't you using your users crontab? |
| 15:11.25 | beardy | dorel__: Or roots, if it has to be done by root? |
| 15:11.31 | beardy | root's |
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| 15:11.59 | dorel__ | cause im more comfortable by using plain /etc/crontab for this test |
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| 15:12.36 | beardy | dorel__: You may have to restart crond then. |
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| 15:13.14 | tarzeau | jbalcomb: maybe it's broke? |
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| 15:13.20 | wobster | Hi everyone. In the interfaces file I'd like to create an entry like that: pre-up export VAR=VAL. But that is incorrect, as it seems. How to export a variable correctly? Invoke sh? |
| 15:13.21 | tarzeau | jbalcomb: checked bts yet? which version exactly? |
| 15:14.02 | beardy | wobster: Who/what needs this variable? |
| 15:14.05 | yang | which package belongs to GD library or ImageMagick |
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| 15:14.24 | beardy | !search |
| 15:14.24 | dpkg | i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 15:14.38 | beardy | yang: ^^^ |
| 15:14.38 | jbalcomb | tarzeau: what's bts? 'debian-testing-i386-netinst' is the image, what else can you use? |
| 15:14.46 | beardy | !bts |
| 15:14.46 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:14.47 | xaka | anybody install Asterisk? |
| 15:14.53 | beardy | !anyone |
| 15:14.54 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:15.06 | yang | beardy: when i enter gd library i get 100 hits |
| 15:15.09 | jbalcomb | xaka: lots of people in #asterisk have |
| 15:15.13 | wobster | beardy, installing OpenVPN creates a commandfile in if-up and if-down which is sensitive to $IF_OPENVPN. Since I want to start openvpn only when this if is available it looks like the way it works. |
| 15:15.15 | xaka | ok, thx |
| 15:15.38 | hburchey | spldart, Did you figure it out yet? |
| 15:15.59 | beardy | yang: enter where? Use dpkg -S /bin/foo |
| 15:16.00 | spldart | No... |
| 15:16.10 | spldart | The permissions change at mount and umount |
| 15:16.16 | hburchey | spldart, Set your umask to 000 before you mount |
| 15:16.26 | beardy | wobster: commandfile? A script you mean? |
| 15:16.35 | yang | beardy: enter the query with apt-cache search |
| 15:16.36 | spldart | before? I'm using //windows/C /home/user/test smbfs username=default,password=default,rw,user,auto,umask=0000 0 0 to mount now |
| 15:16.44 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 15:16.44 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:16.46 | spldart | umask=0000 in that and all |
| 15:16.49 | wobster | beardy, yes. |
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| 15:16.58 | hburchey | spldart, No that umask is unrelated. |
| 15:17.16 | hburchey | spldart, Open a terminal and log in as root. |
| 15:17.22 | spldart | Ok.. how do I set what your asking |
| 15:17.23 | hburchey | spldart, Then type "umask 000" |
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| 15:17.37 | hburchey | spldart, Then do "smbmount blah blah" |
| 15:17.46 | spldart | in the directory I'm mounting too? |
| 15:17.49 | spldart | before mount? |
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| 15:17.58 | beardy | wobster: Is OpenVPN installed from a Debian package? |
| 15:17.58 | yang | beardy: libgd2-xpm probably? |
| 15:18.05 | wobster | beardy, of course. |
| 15:18.06 | hburchey | spldart, It doesn't matter what your current working directory is. |
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| 15:19.19 | spldart | ok.... in terminal as root type umask 000 then mount my share again.... |
| 15:19.22 | spldart | done but same result |
| 15:19.26 | beardy | wobster: Let's read man 5 interfaces.. |
| 15:19.30 | spldart | root only write |
| 15:19.39 | hburchey | spldart, ok, unmount it. |
| 15:20.16 | hburchey | spldart, Then use this command "smbmount //windows/C /home/user/test smbfs -o username=default,password=default,rw,user,auto,umask=0000" |
| 15:20.18 | spldart | done |
| 15:20.29 | hburchey | spldart, wait a sec |
| 15:20.32 | wobster | beardy, it says "executes command" .. if that would be of any value, I wouldn't have asked here. |
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| 15:20.37 | hburchey | spldart, Then use this command "smbmount //windows/C /home/user/test -o username=default,password=default,rw,user,auto,umask=0000" |
| 15:20.59 | wobster | beardy, err .. ignore me please. |
| 15:21.08 | wobster | beardy, sorry. thanks for the hint. |
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| 15:22.12 | hburchey | spldart, So did it work? |
| 15:22.33 | beardy | wobster: well.. I meant we should both have a look in it, because I don't have it all in my head |
| 15:22.35 | scud | in debian when i do a iostat why does it display the devices as active raid5 ide/host4/bus1/target1/lun0/disc[3] and not as the device name via /dev? |
| 15:22.37 | spldart | one sec |
| 15:23.13 | hburchey | spldart, It's 1:30am here, I wanna go home, hurry up :) |
| 15:23.13 | wobster | beardy, there's a note below the (pre-)up/(pre-)down section about IF_ prefixes. |
| 15:23.20 | spldart | it acted like it did something but nothing mounted |
| 15:23.21 | spldart | sorry |
| 15:23.34 | spldart | if your tired then I will thank you much for your help so far :) |
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| 15:24.28 | Yggdrasil | how do i tell what ver of debian i have ? ie sarge, stable, |
| 15:24.29 | hburchey | spldart, If you type "mount" do you see any samba mounts? |
| 15:24.44 | beardy | wobster: So it works now? |
| 15:24.44 | xaka | how to get pid of running process by path_to_bin? |
| 15:24.48 | xaka | *runned |
| 15:24.51 | spldart | yes |
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| 15:25.13 | hburchey | spldart, btw, Did you use the second smbmount command that I gave you? The first one was broken. |
| 15:25.16 | valdyn | you may want to use cifs instead of smbfs, btw |
| 15:25.23 | Tallu | Uhm.. i cant find where to change the default character encoding. I want to keep my locale as english but having the encoding that way really doesnt work for me |
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| 15:25.25 | beardy | xaka: 'pidof somebinary' ? |
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| 15:25.29 | valdyn | spldart: you may want to use cifs instead of smbfs, btw |
| 15:25.34 | wobster | beardy, yes and no. openvpn tries to come up at least now. I guess I get things going now .. . |
| 15:25.44 | spldart | looking |
| 15:25.57 | Tallu | Anyone know where the setting is, or if there's a command to change it? |
| 15:26.00 | spldart | believe I used the second |
| 15:26.01 | spldart | hrm |
| 15:26.12 | beardy | wobster: Ok, well, then the variable is used then. And that was your question ;) |
| 15:26.17 | spldart | mount shows the mounting of those shares but no files appear |
| 15:26.26 | spldart | ah! |
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| 15:26.32 | wobster | beardy, well .. uhm. yes. ;) |
| 15:26.38 | spldart | no files appear in file browser but hey are in the terminal |
| 15:26.40 | beardy | wobster: (and you answered it yourself, good) I'm pretty tired.. |
| 15:26.42 | spldart | now for a test write |
| 15:26.47 | Yggdrasil | how do i upgrade from stable to etch ? |
| 15:26.54 | abrotman | !tell root_____ about root |
| 15:26.57 | valdyn | dpkg, sarge->etch |
| 15:26.57 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
| 15:27.08 | Yggdrasil | thanks |
| 15:27.43 | abrotman | hey .. they fixed it! |
| 15:27.44 | spldart | YES!!! |
| 15:27.46 | abrotman | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 15:27.51 | spldart | Thanks hburchey |
| 15:27.52 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 15:27.56 | spldart | it writes now too |
| 15:27.57 | abrotman | !sarge->etch |
| 15:27.59 | spldart | Yay! |
| 15:28.01 | hburchey | spldart, Ok cool. I'm outta here. |
| 15:28.11 | valdyn | Yggdrasil: do apt-get upgrade before the dist-upgrade, that might make it easier to spot errors as they happen |
| 15:28.16 | cydork | abrotman: fixed what? |
| 15:28.24 | abrotman | cydork: nothing |
| 15:28.35 | Yggdrasil | yar |
| 15:28.58 | cydork | abrotman: let me rephrase that, what did you think they fixed? :P |
| 15:29.13 | abrotman | cydork: there's a bug in the bot .. you can't do !sarge->etch |
| 15:29.21 | Yggdrasil | hey cydork |
| 15:29.27 | stew | i swear i submitted a patch for that bug |
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| 15:29.27 | Yggdrasil | how do |
| 15:29.37 | abrotman | stew: maybe just not applied yet |
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| 15:30.07 | helo_ | is there a good option for passwordless scping from a bash script? |
| 15:30.07 | stew | abrotman: maybe even twice |
| 15:30.16 | abrotman | stew: third time's a charm? :) |
| 15:30.17 | spldart | HaaZaaa for Deb guru's! |
| 15:30.18 | stew | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=370040 |
| 15:30.20 | cydork | abrotman: ohh ok.. |
| 15:30.21 | asg | helo_: use keys |
| 15:30.23 | abrotman | helo_: keys |
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| 15:30.33 | abrotman | !tell root_____ about root |
| 15:30.34 | stew | abrotman: oh, that was the one where i created the patch backwards |
| 15:30.35 | asg | root_____: don't irc as root |
| 15:30.38 | helo_ | everything i've seen still requires a key passphrase |
| 15:30.41 | abrotman | stew: backwards? |
| 15:30.47 | asg | helo_: you can create keys w/o passphrases |
| 15:30.47 | abrotman | helo_: then you've read the wrong things |
| 15:30.48 | cydork | Yggdrasil: hey .. |
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| 15:30.56 | helo_ | ok cool |
| 15:31.02 | Yggdrasil | man that was a long night last night |
| 15:31.02 | stew | abrotman: yeah, it was reversed, if you look, .orig is on the right not the left |
| 15:31.03 | Yggdrasil | hheheh |
| 15:31.12 | abrotman | doh! |
| 15:31.14 | Yggdrasil | its all up and happy now though |
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| 15:31.18 | helo_ | i thought the guide on the openssh website might be the right place to read... go figure heh |
| 15:31.51 | stew | dondelelcaro: can you look at #370040, Note that I created my patch backwards by mistake so it would need to go in -R, i think i've sent you this before, but dpkg seems to still suffer |
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| 15:31.57 | asg | helo_: it's generally not advised but useful for automation, especially when you limit what the key can do with 'comand=""' in .ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 15:32.28 | asg | helo_: in a nutshell, when asked for a passphrase, just hit enter. |
| 15:33.21 | asg | helo_: another slightly option is to pre-auth the keys manually on boot and load them into ssh-agent which you can then use without requiring a passphrase to be entered everytime. |
| 15:33.35 | asg | /option/more secure option/ |
| 15:33.56 | cydork | Yggdrasil: it was day for me.. |
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| 15:34.27 | Yggdrasil | yea i figured |
| 15:34.45 | Yggdrasil | my wife is so possesive i wake up in the middle of the night to sneak down to build boxes |
| 15:34.51 | roby | I use gtkpod at home to access my iPod Shuffle. Wondering if there's a iPod Shuffle manager tool for Windows? I don't want to install the bloated iTunes software. |
| 15:34.52 | Yggdrasil | that was 3 am to 6 am for me |
| 15:35.06 | asg | roby: #windows might know |
| 15:35.17 | troytroy | hello pls how do i get sendmail 8.13.8 |
| 15:35.22 | cydork | Yggdrasil: hehe |
| 15:35.35 | troytroy | my current sources only list 8.13.2 |
| 15:35.39 | valdyn | !info sendmail sarge |
| 15:35.39 | asg | roby: ##windows, rather |
| 15:35.48 | dpkg | sendmail: (powerful, efficient, and scalable Mail Transport Agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 8.13.4-3sarge2 (sarge), Packaged size: 189 kB, Installed size: 244 kB |
| 15:35.56 | pickcoder | Yggdrasil: I guess I got it easy then. |
| 15:35.58 | asg | !info sendmail woody |
| 15:36.03 | dpkg | sendmail: (A powerful, efficient, and scalable Mail Transport Agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 8.12.3-7.1 (woody), Packaged size: 896 kB, Installed size: 3136 kB |
| 15:36.09 | roby | asg: cool thanks |
| 15:36.20 | valdyn | troytroy: looks like you arent even using debian |
| 15:36.24 | asg | troytroy: what version of debian are you using? |
| 15:36.54 | pickcoder | I have 3 Dell XPSs sitting in the den waiting for parts and Debian, though. |
| 15:36.59 | pickcoder | not enough time in the day |
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| 15:37.05 | troytroy | valdyn: i am connected to debian machine via ssh |
| 15:37.10 | beardy | Do it in the night. |
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| 15:37.25 | asg | troytroy: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 15:37.35 | pickcoder | day == waking hours |
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| 15:38.16 | pickcoder | There's a whole pallet of old PCs sitting outside the office calling my name |
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| 15:38.33 | troytroy | asg:testing/unstable |
| 15:38.35 | joepa | could someone remind me of the name of the debian setup program that runs during the second stage of the installation (after reboot) |
| 15:38.36 | pickcoder | kinda like how my wife is when we goto Pets Mart and she sees the kitten adoption team |
| 15:38.46 | pickcoder | I wanna take 'em ALL home, but she won't let me. |
| 15:39.01 | Bhavesh | as promised, i did not stay logged in over night |
| 15:39.01 | asg | troytroy: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1 |
| 15:39.24 | valdyn | !info sendmail etch |
| 15:39.32 | dpkg | sendmail: (powerful, efficient, and scalable Mail Transport Agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 8.13.8-2 (etch), Packaged size: 193 kB, Installed size: 248 kB |
| 15:39.35 | asg | valdyn: it wouldn't have a version older than sarge though |
| 15:39.43 | valdyn | asg: aye |
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| 15:40.13 | troytroy | asg: screen is giving me tough time |
| 15:40.18 | valdyn | troytroy: you're confused for sure, or your system is, run apt-get update, then apt-cache policy sendmail and look at that |
| 15:40.36 | asg | troytroy: that's okay, keep at it. |
| 15:40.52 | troytroy | valdyn: i did that and i have 8.13.2 |
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| 15:41.21 | valdyn | troytroy: apt-cache policy shows more than what you have |
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| 15:42.33 | valdyn | troytroy: like: Candidate: 8.13.8-2 |
| 15:42.34 | asg | troytroy: what version number does 'sendmail -d0.1' print? |
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| 15:43.41 | valdyn | 8.13.8-2 != 8.13.2 !! |
| 15:43.53 | helo_ | to scp to a machine, the user on that machine must have a valid shell, right? is there any way to lock down that user to limit the repercussions of a leaked password? |
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| 15:44.07 | asg | helo_: install scponly |
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| 15:44.18 | helo_ | is that a shell? |
| 15:44.26 | pickcoder | helo_: that depends on how you setup the environment |
| 15:44.30 | helo_ | shell replacement, i guess... |
| 15:44.38 | asg | helo_: apt-cache show scponly |
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| 15:45.07 | helo_ | perfect, thanks |
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| 15:47.19 | troytroy | hmm |
| 15:47.43 | troytroy | asg: i am yet to install sendmail |
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| 15:48.50 | troytroy | valdyn: apt-cache show sendmail" give 8.13.8-2 |
| 15:49.05 | valdyn | troytroy: yea i thought so, now why is that a problem? |
| 15:49.29 | valdyn | troytroy: did I already mention that 8.13.8-2 != 8.13.2 !! ? |
| 15:49.49 | valdyn | !read |
| 15:49.49 | dpkg | from memory, read is what no one does these days, especially ex-redhat users who expect EVERYTHING to appear infront of them without fuss. or what you must do in order to learn. 'man <something>', 'apropos <something>', or check out the files in /usr/share/doc/<PACKAGE> |
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| 15:50.23 | troytroy | valdyn: thanks :) |
| 15:50.29 | troytroy | asg: thanks :) |
| 15:50.56 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 15:51.55 | troytroy | asg: is there a means of using aptitude to get sendmail and depen.. without unpacking and install |
| 15:51.56 | asg | troytroy: if you are not intimately familiar with sendmail, however, you would probably better served by installing exim or postfix since they are easier for newcomers |
| 15:52.24 | asg | troytroy: aptitude download <pkg> |
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| 15:52.35 | troytroy | asg: ok thanks |
| 15:53.09 | troytroy | asg: i need sendmail for LinuxCBT sendmail tutorial |
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| 15:53.21 | asg | troytroy: oh, okay. |
| 15:53.26 | pickcoder | I found that postfix delivers mail much more efficiently than sendmail |
| 15:53.47 | abrotman | s/delivers mail/everything/ |
| 15:53.52 | asg | pickcoder: the queues of each can be tweaked in inumerable ways |
| 15:54.02 | pickcoder | I'm sure exim does better than sendmail on that aspect as well |
| 15:54.10 | pickcoder | asg: I have _tried_ tweaking sendmail |
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| 15:54.27 | asg | pickcoder: exim is good as long as mail isn't queued. Exim was not designed for queuing. |
| 15:54.27 | tolecnal | sendmail is alongside with windows, one of the most overly bloated pieces of software ever written :) |
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| 15:54.52 | asg | pickcoder: I sprained my arm reading the 3rd edition bat book |
| 15:54.53 | pickcoder | asg: the amount of resources that sendmail uses to send a specific size of queue is horrific |
| 15:55.38 | troytroy | asg: btw how does sendmail, exim, postfix, compare |
| 15:56.04 | ofer1 | exim is not good. I use it because it works |
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| 15:56.13 | petemc | ofer1: huh? |
| 15:56.14 | Bhavesh | i use postfix at home and here at work with MailScanner/AV/AS/Spammassasin combo |
| 15:56.25 | asg | troytroy: they each have different uses. |
| 15:56.44 | ofer1 | petemc, HORRIBLE configuration. addr rewrite has never been harder |
| 15:56.46 | troytroy | asg: ok |
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| 15:57.06 | troytroy | asg: http://linuxcbt.net/products_linuxcbt_mail_edition.php |
| 15:57.08 | asg | troytroy: I like exim if I have to do complicated routing/rewriting. Otherwise, postfix is my favorite. |
| 15:57.17 | petemc | ofer1: thats your opinion, its complex software, you can expect the config to be somewhat terse |
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| 15:57.29 | Bhavesh | postfix makes it easy to use same program to receive email/scan for virus/spam / delete bad email and send out good once |
| 15:57.59 | asg | troytroy: that covers most of what you'll need to know. |
| 15:58.19 | Bhavesh | same program = same copy of daemon |
| 15:58.21 | troytroy | asg: i hope i dont sleep :) |
| 15:59.06 | asg | !start an mta war |
| 15:59.06 | dpkg | smail loses mail |
| 15:59.44 | Braindead | there's no mta war without mentioning qmail |
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| 16:00.07 | pickcoder | asg: if I was being forced to use sendmail, I'd read the bat book. I'd rather just setup postfix and get on with things. |
| 16:00.33 | asg | pickcoder: agreed, for the vast majority of things, postfix is a great MTA. |
| 16:00.35 | pickcoder | I've run it for over 7 years |
| 16:00.40 | yang | there is no way of installing 2 separate mediawiki's on the same computer using debian package mediawiki... |
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| 16:01.01 | ofer1 | petemc, I'd use postfix if it was debian's default |
| 16:01.09 | petemc | fantastic then |
| 16:01.15 | yang | I think it's only valid for one site |
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| 16:01.34 | pickcoder | it == sendmail |
| 16:01.39 | pickcoder | brb |
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| 16:01.59 | Bhavesh | i think exim is debian's default |
| 16:02.03 | asg | it is |
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| 16:03.39 | joepa | is there a "Debian way" to change a machine's hostname? |
| 16:03.44 | asg | joepa: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 16:04.23 | luke-jr_work | sendmail is evil :| |
| 16:05.11 | Supaplex | !start an mta war |
| 16:05.11 | dpkg | exim sucks |
| 16:05.27 | Bhavesh | haha |
| 16:05.54 | troytroy | hmm i think i should also ask on fedora channel for a fair account |
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| 16:06.47 | r000t | modfiles in linux someone?? know how to play?? |
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| 16:07.22 | cydork | yang: there is way http://prevolution.org/mediawikifarm but still should be possible on debian too, i havn't tried it yet. |
| 16:07.30 | henk | How do i compile a piece of code against libs in /lib2 instead of /lib ? |
| 16:07.53 | beardy | henk: That better be /usr/local/libs2.. |
| 16:08.00 | yang | cydork: ok thanks |
| 16:08.05 | beardy | /usr/local/lib2.. |
| 16:08.41 | nkuttler | is there a tool that displays the atime, mtime etc. for a file? |
| 16:08.47 | troytroy | asg: i just install the linksys wmp54g 802.11g pci adaptor and ... :-( |
| 16:08.57 | valdyn | nkuttler: stat |
| 16:08.57 | henk | beardy, the location is /foo... doesnt matter i just need to know how to create a binary that looks for the clibs in a differnt place than the normal ones |
| 16:09.06 | ofer1 | !start an mta war |
| 16:09.06 | dpkg | qmail sucks |
| 16:09.12 | nkuttler | valdyn: thanks! |
| 16:10.32 | valdyn | henk: binaries dont look for libraries at all |
| 16:10.32 | ofer1 | heh Supaplex :) |
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| 16:10.33 | valdyn | henk: so what is you really want to do? |
| 16:10.35 | troytroy | asg: "lspci" gives "0000:01:0a.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation: Unknown device 4318 (rev 02)" |
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| 16:10.35 | ofer1 | !start an httpd war |
| 16:10.40 | henk | valdyn, hmm I want to change the location that a single command looks for the libs. In this case i want 'mv' to look for its clibs somewhere else than /lib/ |
| 16:10.56 | asg | troytroy: not sure about that one. It might not be supported. Perhaps someone else in channel knows. |
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| 16:11.04 | valdyn | henk: 'LD_PRELOAD=/lib2/libc.so mv' |
| 16:11.22 | troytroy | asg: oops sorry |
| 16:11.32 | troytroy | i just install the linksys wmp54g 802.11g pci adaptor and ... :-( |
| 16:11.52 | troytroy | "lspci" gives "0000:01:0a.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation: Unknown device 4318 (rev 02)" |
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| 16:13.10 | Bhavesh | troytroy: i learned recently try update-pciids |
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| 16:13.26 | Bhavesh | i mean run 'update-pciids' as root |
| 16:13.52 | pickcoder | troytroy: that is not supported by madwifi |
| 16:13.54 | henk | valdyn, hmm that is just one lib, i need the whole thing to look for anything in /foo/* |
| 16:14.48 | pickcoder | troytroy: look up the ndiswrapper |
| 16:15.18 | troytroy | ? |
| 16:15.44 | troytroy | which is which |
| 16:16.05 | henk | valdyn, do you mind if i speak to you privately? |
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| 16:16.26 | troytroy | update-pciids or ndiswrapper |
| 16:17.03 | helmut | When installing an executable file to /usr/lib/cgi-bin do I have to expect that this file may be immediately executed via some webserver on a normal debian system? |
| 16:17.07 | troytroy | pickcoder: ndis* the method that uses windows drivers? |
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| 16:17.20 | helmut | (or should I ask this on #debian-mentors ;-) |
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| 16:17.26 | goldyfruit | hi :) |
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| 16:18.28 | pickcoder | troytroy: yes |
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| 16:19.11 | Bhavesh | troytroy: update pciids that will give you the missing information when you do lspci |
| 16:21.17 | pickcoder | troytroy: or buy a driver from linuxant.com for like $20 |
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| 16:21.30 | pipeline | troytroy: linuxant sucks ass. Buy a new/better modem. |
| 16:21.38 | pipeline | troytroy: err, card |
| 16:22.07 | pickcoder | troytroy: http://www.mepis.org/node/5937 |
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| 16:23.08 | cydork | troytroy: you can check if it's listed here http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ |
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| 16:25.05 | troytroy | troytroy is now confused |
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| 16:25.17 | pickcoder | troytroy: goto cydorks link and read about your card |
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| 16:26.08 | deadlyallance382 | does anybody know of a channel for iMedia Linux |
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| 16:26.21 | troytroy | ok |
| 16:26.59 | pickcoder | hm |
| 16:27.05 | pickcoder | it says 4318 in lspci |
| 16:27.26 | pickcoder | that is not a wmp54g according to that site |
| 16:27.41 | troytroy | cydork: very informative link :) |
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| 16:28.05 | pickcoder | confusing |
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| 16:28.20 | troytroy | linksys wmp54g is listed as yellow - some are supported |
| 16:28.53 | hjubal | hi |
| 16:29.11 | pickcoder | that actually looks like a PCMCIA card in a pc adapter card |
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| 16:29.23 | pickcoder | WPC54GS has device ID 4318 |
| 16:29.30 | pickcoder | and it's a pcmcia card |
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| 16:30.28 | troytroy | pickcoder: i have WMP54G pci adaptor |
| 16:30.54 | pickcoder | troytroy: but the device is reporting that it's a broadcom drive ID # 4318 |
| 16:31.01 | pickcoder | s/drive/device |
| 16:31.10 | troytroy | pickcoder: yes |
| 16:31.20 | pickcoder | which is listed as a PCMCIA card on that site |
| 16:31.32 | pickcoder | it could be a PCMCIA card plugged into a PCI adapter |
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| 16:31.41 | pickcoder | how old is that card? |
| 16:31.43 | troytroy | pickcoder: ok |
| 16:32.28 | troytroy | pickcoder: i just got it from best buy recently |
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| 16:33.15 | yang | cydork: I deleted /usr/share/mediawiki1.7/config , somehow i could get back that directory ? |
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| 16:33.28 | troytroy | advertised as "linksys 802.11g pci adaptor with range booster" model no: WMP54G |
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| 16:34.17 | yang | cydork: usr/share/mediawiki1.7/index.php |
| 16:34.18 | wedgeV | how do i remove packages previously installed with "apt-get build-dep <package>" |
| 16:34.45 | troytroy | oops its model no: WMP54GS |
| 16:34.49 | asg | wedgeV: apt-get remove <list of build-deps that were installed> |
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| 16:35.09 | wedgeV | asg: yea... what if i dont know which packages? |
| 16:35.11 | yang | Are the files from packages available from some website? |
| 16:35.25 | pickcoder | troytroy: I'm betting it's the PCMCIA card stuck in an adapter |
| 16:35.29 | asg | wedgeV: use deborphan or debfoster |
| 16:35.45 | pickcoder | troytroy: the device ID says it is as well |
| 16:35.50 | wedgeV | thanks |
| 16:35.54 | cydork | yang: check ls -l /var/lib/mediawiki1.7/config/ |
| 16:36.01 | troytroy | pickcoder: "Wireless-G PCI Adaptor with SpeedBooster" model no WMP54GS |
| 16:36.28 | yang | cydork: I deleted both directories |
| 16:36.54 | yang | cydork: now the new setup fails, becouse its missing index.php |
| 16:37.11 | stew | yang: aptitude reinstall packagename ? |
| 16:37.15 | troytroy | pickcoder: cydork links only lists the WMP54G but i have the WMP54GS |
| 16:37.17 | cydork | yang: purge and reisntall |
| 16:37.19 | stew | yang: unless they are config files |
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| 16:37.33 | pickcoder | troytroy: does the card have chips soldered on the board, or does it have a riser card with stand-offs? |
| 16:37.35 | yang | damn |
| 16:37.53 | stew | does mediawiki really install config files to /var/lib? |
| 16:37.55 | troytroy | pickcoder: yes :) |
| 16:38.02 | stew | yang: if they are config files: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 16:38.07 | pickcoder | troytroy: true PCI cards will have no stand-offs, since the chips are all on the main card |
| 16:38.10 | cydork | troytroy: check chipset.. |
| 16:39.16 | troytroy | ok |
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| 16:39.26 | troytroy | cydork: how do i do that |
| 16:39.37 | pickcoder | http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-WMP54GS-Wireless-G-Card-SpeedBooster/dp/B0001D3K3A |
| 16:39.42 | pickcoder | it's a PCMCIA based solution |
| 16:39.50 | pickcoder | so you may be able to get it to work |
| 16:40.23 | yang | cydork: not to do something wrong again /usr/share/wikimedia are the system files and /var/lib/wikimedia are my files ? |
| 16:40.41 | HNT | Hello everybody, during an apt-get dist-upgrade, the paquet nvidia-glx was unisntalled and now my nvidia dirver are not working with xorg, how can I get it back or haw can I install nvidia-glx-legacy ? |
| 16:40.53 | abrotman | paquet? are we french? |
| 16:41.01 | yang | well i am getting error Warning: require_once(./includes/Defines.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /var/www/jokeass/config/index.php on line 30 |
| 16:41.02 | HNT | packet |
| 16:41.06 | troytroy | pickcoder: yes that one :) |
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| 16:41.34 | troytroy | pickcoder: guess not supported on linux then? |
| 16:41.43 | abrotman | package :) |
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| 16:42.06 | pickcoder | troytroy: look at the directions for the WPC54GS |
| 16:42.13 | HNT | sorry, so do you know how can i get nvidia-glx back ? |
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| 16:42.20 | troytroy | ok |
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| 16:42.44 | pickcoder | troytroy: or try the ndiswrapper with Linksys drivers |
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| 16:43.59 | troytroy | ok |
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| 16:44.19 | itguru | I got a small problem, and I'm embarrased! |
| 16:44.26 | troytroy | cydork: pls how do i chk the chip set or i have to take the pci card out? |
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| 16:44.58 | itguru | How do I change the language of an installation to english? |
| 16:44.59 | cydork | troytroy: the best option is check the manual |
| 16:45.28 | pickcoder | cydork: it's not going to tell in the manual |
| 16:45.40 | asg | itguru: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:45.53 | pickcoder | cydork: the device ID is 4813. That can't change even between different types of bus implementations |
| 16:45.59 | troytroy | ok |
| 16:46.09 | pickcoder | gah 4318 |
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| 16:46.15 | itguru | asg-> Thanks! you just saved my ass! |
| 16:46.21 | Tallu | and I've a question that has to do with locales too.. I want to keep my locale as english but I need to set character encoding to diff.. how would I go about doing that? |
| 16:46.38 | asg | itguru: you're welcome |
| 16:46.41 | cydork | pickcoder: most of the times the chipset is given in the manual. |
| 16:46.48 | pickcoder | cydork: OK... |
| 16:47.02 | cydork | yang: ya that's true. |
| 16:47.09 | pickcoder | It's a Broadcom 43xx, from the lspci output |
| 16:47.19 | stew | bcm43xx 0x000014e4 0x00004318 |
| 16:47.49 | cydork | yang: jsut check you /etc/mediawiki1.7/apache.conf for more info it list /var/lib dir |
| 16:47.54 | abrotman | asg: more precisely .. you saved his ass in another language! |
| 16:47.59 | yang | cydork: those values from that website for setting up wikifarm don't work well for me...also there is an installation of mediawiki.tar.gz required |
| 16:48.01 | cydork | troytroy: then http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ |
| 16:48.04 | Tallu | for bcm43xx.. #bcm-users |
| 16:48.19 | cydork | yang: i told that's not debian specific. |
| 16:48.27 | asg | abrotman: sí señor |
| 16:48.30 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:48.45 | coax | how can i remove the icons from my desktop ("Computer", "User's Home")?? |
| 16:48.45 | itguru | asg-> That that change the keyboard as well? |
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| 16:48.50 | cydork | yang: but it's possible you can have multiple /var/lib/mediawikiwhatever dirs. |
| 16:48.53 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 16:48.53 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 16:49.08 | asg | itguru: ^^^ |
| 16:49.36 | itguru | asg, abrotman-> Thanks you guys! |
| 16:49.44 | itguru | i am SO, embarrased! |
| 16:49.48 | abrotman | you should be |
| 16:49.58 | asg | itguru: don't worry, it happens to abrotman all the time |
| 16:50.36 | nvz_ | yeah I think I am about to quit my job.. working 70hrs every two weeks for next to nothing is burning me up.. I am considering delivering the paper instead making more money and putting in half the hours :P |
| 16:50.54 | Ronin | didnt you just start that job nvz ? |
| 16:51.05 | deadcat | apt-get dist-upgrade tries to remove nvidia-glx. should i wait for it or just do it? |
| 16:51.08 | nvz | like 3 months ago |
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| 16:51.17 | Ronin | thats not even a 40 hour work week for crying out loud |
| 16:51.25 | yang | cydork: next thing i have is Couldn't find GD library or ImageMagick; image thumbnailing disabled. I installed libgd2-xpm & libgraphicsmagick1 |
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| 16:51.39 | itguru | thanks you guys! |
| 16:51.51 | itguru | i'll be back with my next emergency ASAP |
| 16:51.51 | abrotman | Ronin: you work for the gov't .. what do you *actually* work a week .. 3-4 hours? :) |
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| 16:52.10 | Ronin | abrotman: true now but in my past lives ive done close to 100 hour work weeks so i know when ive got it good |
| 16:52.14 | abrotman | nvz: is this the liquor store job ? |
| 16:52.31 | Tallu | I get this error when trying to configure locales.. : http://pastebin.ca/178798 |
| 16:52.32 | abrotman | Ronin: and it's cold there! |
| 16:52.32 | nvz | I am working average 66hrs every two weeks and getting like $325 for it.. I can take these 4 paper routes all within a mile from my house and thats about 220 customers daily less than 4 hours work a day, and make $422.64 and still be able to work dyring the day |
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| 16:53.25 | abrotman | nvz: yeah .. but you have to do it every day! |
| 16:53.32 | troytroy | cydork: pls paste the link again |
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| 16:53.55 | cydork | troytroy: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ |
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| 16:54.14 | nvz | abrotman: so what thats making $325 for 8hrs a day overnight 11-7 about 5 days a week.. or working 4 hours a day 7 days a week for $422 |
| 16:54.14 | Tallu | troytroy: also #bcm-users |
| 16:54.14 | troytroy | ok same one i got here |
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| 16:54.29 | troytroy | Tallu: thanks |
| 16:54.30 | nvz | abrotman: you dont have to collect.. they pay through the company |
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| 16:54.54 | Tallu | I cant reconfigure my locales.. it fails each time. :( |
| 16:55.16 | asg | Tallu: in what *way* does it fail? |
| 16:55.17 | jensp | hi can somebody tell me where I can read something about the way runlevels work in debian? or tell me the runlevel kdm would belong into? |
| 16:55.21 | abrotman | nvz: you need a job :) |
| 16:55.25 | Thuryn | Hi |
| 16:55.26 | nvz | abrotman: it would be my desired monthly income figure of $800+ before the day even starts.. papers get delivered at the crack of dawn.. I still got all day to make money |
| 16:55.26 | asg | jensp: /etc/init.d/README |
| 16:55.28 | shpond | hello |
| 16:55.34 | abrotman | jensp: likely /etc/rc2.d/S99kdm |
| 16:55.49 | Tallu | asg: http://pastebin.ca/178798 |
| 16:55.52 | jensp | whoopsi, thanks asg |
| 16:55.57 | nvz | abrotman: so I've already covered all my expenses and have spending money before the day starts every day |
| 16:55.59 | shpond | don't know |
| 16:56.06 | pickcoder | nvz: what time do you get to leave? |
| 16:56.07 | Thuryn | good |
| 16:56.12 | Ronin | shpond: dont know what/ |
| 16:56.18 | Tallu | asg: I dont really need to edit the locales but change the default character encoding |
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| 16:56.26 | Tallu | asg: I cant save any files at the moment. :( |
| 16:56.33 | abrotman | nvz: and you'd actually lose some weight! |
| 16:56.44 | asg | Tallu: is / mounted ro? |
| 16:56.46 | Ronin | ouch nasty :) |
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| 16:57.07 | Tallu | asg: well, nah.. it keeps bugging about them not being encodable with the default character encoding |
| 16:57.08 | nvz | pickcoder: I havent started yet.. but it would depend on how early they could get them to me |
| 16:57.11 | yang | cydork: do you know which packages are required in order for GD library or ImageMagick; image thumbnailing |
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| 16:57.26 | asg | Tallu: try picking a non-UTF8 en_ locale and see if that helps |
| 16:57.34 | Tallu | asg: ok |
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| 16:57.37 | pickcoder | long day if you have to work till 5-6pm |
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| 16:57.45 | nvz | abrotman: na doesnt work like that in the mountains.. you definatly dont walk papers around |
| 16:57.48 | MtJB | oh, my debian brothers and sisters, hear my plea! how come it is i gotta run alsaconf every time i boot? how come it is dat sucka doan stay config? |
| 16:57.54 | DrAk0 | how I can know which deamon is using x port? |
| 16:58.07 | asg | DrAk0: lsof, netstat |
| 16:58.15 | nvz | abrotman: I called about this before and he wouldnt take me cause I didnt have a car, he said it couldnt be done without one |
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| 16:58.31 | Tallu | asg: nope, doesnt help |
| 16:58.37 | Tallu | asg: still fails with the same message |
| 16:58.39 | Joui | Hi, what is the way to hide this? if I use telnet server.com 22 I see |
| 16:58.43 | Joui | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4 |
| 16:58.52 | asg | Tallu: when asked to pick a default, did you? |
| 16:58.53 | Joui | Is possible to hide it? |
| 16:58.57 | Nightmare | hi!... plz help me.... i have kdm by default, but i want gdm... where can i set it? |
| 16:59.02 | Tallu | asg: yes |
| 16:59.02 | asg | Joui: not without hacking the source code |
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| 16:59.10 | asg | Tallu: hmmmm, odd |
| 16:59.18 | Joui | Is secure show the version?? |
| 16:59.38 | abrotman | nvz: get a bike |
| 16:59.39 | wols_ | Joui: if the daemon itself is secure: yes |
| 16:59.44 | Tallu | asg: yeah, indeed.. any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 16:59.52 | luke-jr_work | openntpd+ipv6 is broken in Debian 3.1? |
| 17:00.03 | zinx | oh hell, what's happening to xorg in sid |
| 17:00.07 | asg | Tallu: sorry, I don't. Someone else might know though. |
| 17:00.08 | Ronin | Nightmare: iirc install gdm, it removes kdm by default |
| 17:00.19 | asg | zinx: well, there was a huge upgrade this morning. Works fine here though. |
| 17:00.25 | Nightmare | Ronin thankz, i have gdm and kdm installed... |
| 17:00.26 | Joui | wols what I need to download the same source-code that my ssh sarge's ? |
| 17:00.34 | wols_ | Ronin: doesn't remove it |
| 17:00.41 | zinx | asg: xserver-xorg-core now conflicts with nVidia's drivers |
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| 17:00.45 | asg | Joui: just use the Banner option in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and say something nasty. |
| 17:00.47 | wols_ | Joui: man apt-get |
| 17:00.47 | Tallu | Anyone here know how to successfully change the default character encoding? I tried by changing the system locale but that fails as well. http://pastebin.ca/178798 |
| 17:00.50 | nvz | abrotman: I got a bike, but you cant carry 220 sunday papers from down by the river at my house up the hill to the customers on a damn bike |
| 17:00.54 | asg | zinx: oh, that doesn't surprise me. |
| 17:00.58 | Ronin | wols_: really? id swear it did when i installed the other, oh well im old and forgetful |
| 17:00.58 | zinx | (and all video drivers, for that matter) |
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| 17:01.02 | Joui | asg It works? |
| 17:01.09 | zinx | i'm assuming they got rolled in to it, and the rolling was mismanaged |
| 17:01.17 | nvz | abrotman: they dont drop the papers in the neighborhood like they did when I did this as a kid.. they drop em at your house |
| 17:01.22 | zinx | instead of making dummy packages, they just made it conflict with absolutely everything :/ |
| 17:01.23 | wols_ | zinx: etch? |
| 17:01.28 | zinx | wols_: Sid. :D |
| 17:01.38 | asg | Joui: it's just a friendly (or not so) way of telling people connecting to that port to fuck off. Either way, they will likely automatically try to use exploits that won't have any effect. |
| 17:01.45 | jessy | anyone know where can i find the macbook keyboard map ? |
| 17:02.57 | Nightmare | anyone know how set gmd by default display manager? |
| 17:03.24 | zinx | blargh, the XStrikeForce wiki is useless |
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| 17:04.09 | pickcoder | Tallu: reinstall the locales? |
| 17:04.51 | troytroy | pls how do i get 2.6.17 kernel on debian |
| 17:05.26 | stew | zinx: which? i think gravity started trying to move content from the old one to http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce |
| 17:05.35 | pickcoder | 2.6.16-2 is available on Etch as a package |
| 17:05.41 | Tallu | pickcoder: well i tried reconfiguring them |
| 17:05.51 | MtJB | is 2.6.18 available yet? |
| 17:06.08 | Tallu | pickcoder: Well, I'll redownload |
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| 17:06.21 | asg | MtJB: check incoming. Let us know when it arrives |
| 17:06.22 | zinx | xserver-xorg-video-1.0 o_O |
| 17:06.30 | zinx | stew: That one |
| 17:06.31 | liran_ | why is Holland also called Nederland? |
| 17:06.34 | troytroy | pickcoder: pls which kernel do u have |
| 17:06.35 | zinx | stew: all it says is "the transition happened." |
| 17:06.43 | stew | zinx: please help |
| 17:06.51 | pickcoder | troytroy: I run the latest kernel on Etch |
| 17:06.52 | MtJB | asg, will do. i will stand duty like an eagle until then |
| 17:06.53 | asg | liran_: check wikipedia |
| 17:07.10 | Tallu | pickcoder: didnt work either |
| 17:07.10 | pickcoder | hm |
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| 17:07.17 | liran_ | asg: I thought maybe I could get some more insight from someone who actually knows :) |
| 17:07.17 | pickcoder | 2.6.17-2 shows up for AMD64 |
| 17:07.20 | zinx | stew: it looks like it xserver-xorg-video is obsolete, and the new virtual package (for 7.1 drivers) is xserver-xorg-video-1.0 |
| 17:07.25 | ahlfors | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.27 | troytroy | ok |
| 17:07.29 | ahlfors | oops nm |
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| 17:08.04 | stew | zinx: was x-xorg-video previously a virtual package that pulled in video-*? |
| 17:08.04 | wols_ | troytroy: backports.org |
| 17:08.08 | stew | zinx: that's news to me |
| 17:08.21 | zinx | stew: xserver-xorg-video was provided by the video packages |
| 17:08.25 | stew | ahh |
| 17:08.28 | wols_ | troytroy: and if you run etch, it's in debian |
| 17:08.41 | zinx | stew: xserver-xorg-core dependend on either xserver-xorg-video-all (a metapackage), or xserver-xorg-video (provided by the individual video drivers) |
| 17:08.46 | stew | zinx: did the 7.1 debs hit unstable? i thought i looked yesterday and didn't see them on either pdo or incoming |
| 17:09.07 | asg | stew: they did this morning |
| 17:09.11 | stew | zinx: seriously though, if you could dump this info into the wiki it would be awesome |
| 17:09.13 | zinx | stew: now xserver-xorg-core doesn't depend on anything, and conflicts with xserver-xorg-video, but xserver-xorg depends on xserver-xorg-video-all or xserver-xorg-video-1.0 (note: -1.0) |
| 17:09.21 | zinx | stew: yeah, but i am lazy |
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| 17:09.33 | zinx | stew: and it won't affect free drivers |
| 17:09.34 | asg | stew: ii xorg 7.1.0-1 X.Org X Window System |
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| 17:09.53 | zinx | stew: it only affects drivers that aren't part of x.org, and hopefully only shortly :) |
| 17:09.56 | stew | asg: nice, any gotchas in 7.0 to 7.1? |
| 17:10.11 | zinx | stew: only what i'm mentioning, though the wiki says the input drivers haven't been updated.. |
| 17:10.12 | asg | stew: none here that I can see. |
| 17:10.23 | troytroy | pickcoder: ok u have a "polished hip-hip kenny rogers" |
| 17:10.23 | stew | asg: cool, which driver? |
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| 17:10.36 | asg | stew: vesa |
| 17:10.44 | stew | the good one |
| 17:11.01 | asg | stew: yeah, I didn't expect any problems with it. |
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| 17:11.10 | MtJB | does anyone know why i have to rerun alsaconf each time i boot? |
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| 17:11.29 | odla | sweet i get to leave edmonton! |
| 17:12.00 | odla | sorry off-topic |
| 17:12.14 | Ronin | sucks to be you odla, aside from the cold and the flat prarie id move back |
| 17:12.35 | odla | Ronin: as an ecologist in alberta...it can be a bit depressing |
| 17:12.58 | asg | odla: getting bored studying that one blade of grass eh? |
| 17:13.05 | Joui | if I download a source code via apt-get, It is possible to do the same 'configure' that debian was used to compile the soft? |
| 17:13.18 | odla | asg: he he |
| 17:13.55 | cydork | !tell Joui about source |
| 17:14.08 | Ronin | would have thought one of the oil companies would have picked you up, if for no other reason then to show they "care" about the ecology |
| 17:14.09 | asg | stew: this laptop has an ATI but the vesa driver works just fine for my needs |
| 17:14.37 | troytroy | i think i am going to format my box and install a new distro |
| 17:14.59 | MtJB | if anyone else has the same problem, the answer may be alsactl store |
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| 17:15.09 | odla | Ronin: there are lots of opportunities for an ecologist with industry...but i'd prefer to not sell my soul for the oil :) |
| 17:15.17 | troytroy | probably evil gentoo |
| 17:15.23 | odla | Ronin: i'm a master's student |
| 17:15.28 | odla | but enough off-topic chatter |
| 17:15.41 | Ronin | have fun troytroy |
| 17:15.42 | stew | asg: ati + free drivers has treated me well on many machines, Mrs. Stew approved a new desktop for me, but on a tight budget and the cheapest dual-dvi happened to be nvidia, should be ok according to man nv, but i'm not going to be suprised if it isn't |
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| 17:16.08 | troytroy | Ronin: ok |
| 17:16.35 | wols_ | stew: heh. conrgats! |
| 17:16.42 | troytroy | Ronin: lags loves lagging behind too much |
| 17:16.45 | asg | stew: the last nvidia card I had was a geforce256. It ran quite well. For dual head setups, I generally just use two machines + synergy (over ssh) |
| 17:17.10 | asg | stew: congrats on the new kit though |
| 17:18.37 | pickcoder | troytroy: just apt-get install ndiswrapper |
| 17:19.00 | stew | mrs. stew will inherit my g450 which still does well for me |
| 17:19.02 | pickcoder | troytroy: download the windows drivers |
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| 17:19.24 | asg | stew: ah, the real reason :) |
| 17:20.04 | stew | asg: which? |
| 17:20.19 | stew | asg: the real reason i got the purchase approval certainly involved her getting a desktop out of it |
| 17:20.29 | troytroy | pickcoder: ok but i really need a current kernel say 2.6.17.x |
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| 17:20.37 | stew | and basically i get the new machine instead of her becuase i have to run eclipse and she doesn't |
| 17:20.41 | asg | stew: that's what I meant ;) |
| 17:20.43 | pickcoder | troytroy: which release? Sarge? |
| 17:20.49 | stew | yeah, you know how it works... :) |
| 17:21.00 | troytroy | yes sarge |
| 17:21.04 | pickcoder | troytroy: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 17:21.07 | stew | asg: the laptop upgrade works in the other direction too |
| 17:21.11 | asg | hehe |
| 17:21.12 | pickcoder | troytroy: pick a 2.6 version and install it |
| 17:21.49 | troytroy | pickcoder: i have 2.6.8-2-386 installed |
| 17:22.23 | pickcoder | you should be fine then |
| 17:22.25 | troytroy | pickcoder: at least 2.6.17-x will do |
| 17:22.43 | pickcoder | why do you want 2.6.17? |
| 17:23.06 | petemc | 2.6.17 isnt a great kernel, in my experience |
| 17:23.13 | troytroy | pickcoder: 2.6.8-2-386 is way too old - thats the problem with debian always behind |
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| 17:23.36 | pickcoder | troytroy: it's not old.. it's a stable 2.6 kernel |
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| 17:23.49 | pickcoder | troytroy: you don't need 2.6.17 just to use ndiswrapper with a windows driver |
| 17:23.52 | jessy_ | yo |
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| 17:24.15 | odla | troytroy: if it's too old upgrade to etch |
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| 17:24.35 | troytroy | pickcoder: pls check the topic at #bcm-users |
| 17:24.41 | jessy_ | what is MTA ? (it takes a lot of time when booting...) |
| 17:24.47 | pickcoder | troytroy: don't use the bcm driver! |
| 17:24.50 | WorldBFree | ok so i have a separate drive labeled media that is fat32 and i use it to share docs between kanotix and windows... i was editing a word document and wanted to save it again in the fold /media/hdb1/documents and it says access denied. how to i change this? |
| 17:24.57 | pickcoder | troytroy: use ndiswrapper with the linksys windows driver |
| 17:25.00 | wols_ | jessy_: mail transfer agent |
| 17:25.12 | troytroy | pickcoder: ok |
| 17:25.15 | wols_ | !kanotix |
| 17:25.15 | dpkg | somebody said kanotix was not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian>, or go to #kanotix |
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| 17:25.39 | troytroy | pickcoder: btw how do i chk version of debian running |
| 17:25.40 | stew | jessy_: its your mailserver responsible for sending mail out from your box and possible recieving mail. if its very slow to start up, it often is related to it not being able to make dns resolutions |
| 17:25.51 | troytroy | pickcoder: i did uname -a but .. |
| 17:25.54 | stew | jessy_: check that netowrking is working and that nameresolution is working (man resolv.conf) |
| 17:25.57 | pickcoder | troytroy: cat /proc/version |
| 17:26.04 | pickcoder | troytroy: cat /etc/debian_verion |
| 17:26.05 | petemc | installing ifplugd can alleviate that problem |
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| 17:26.19 | troytroy | ok |
| 17:26.57 | pickcoder | troytroy: example steps for ndiswrapper http://www.mepis.org/node/5937 |
| 17:27.00 | pickcoder | bbiab |
| 17:27.05 | Tallu | troytroy: you need atleast 2.6.17-rc2 to run the native driver, you can also use ndiswrapper if you are unexperienced with kernels etc |
| 17:27.08 | jessy_ | stew: is it usefull ? I'm not using my laptop as a mail server :s |
| 17:27.30 | jessy_ | stew: the problem is that i'm still in another place so the wifi config changes... :s |
| 17:27.32 | wols_ | jessy_: yes it is useful (local mail) |
| 17:27.39 | troytroy | pickcoder: Debian 1:3.3.5-13 |
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| 17:27.46 | stew | jessy_: its essential. many programs will need a way of sending email |
| 17:27.52 | jessy_ | hmm ok... |
| 17:28.03 | zinx | objdump: /emul/ia32-linux/lib/libm.so.6: File format is ambiguous |
| 17:28.03 | zinx | objdump: Matching formats: elf32-i386 elf32-i386-freebsd |
| 17:28.06 | zinx | that is -so- annoying |
| 17:28.13 | jessy_ | can i disable or minimize the time its try to resolve dns ? |
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| 17:28.29 | wols_ | troytroy: that is not right |
| 17:28.29 | troytroy | pickcoder: which version is that pls |
| 17:28.36 | wols_ | troytroy: none |
| 17:28.55 | stew | jessy_: instead of each of those programs fully implementing the SMTP protocol in order to be able to send email, having an MTA gives them a way to just do "echo body | mail -s subject recipient" and leave it up to your mailserver to Transfer the mail onwards |
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| 17:29.03 | troytroy | wols_: ? |
| 17:29.16 | wols_ | troytroy: what you pasted about version is non sensical |
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| 17:29.50 | troytroy | wols_: i will tell my mum :-( |
| 17:30.03 | klork | hullo all, hi stew :) |
| 17:30.23 | wols_ | troytroy: usually the best indicator for debian branch is dpkg -l libc6 |
| 17:30.26 | jessy_ | stew: hmm... ok, i don't want to use these functions... I'm just using debian (console) for programming and osx for other things |
| 17:30.30 | webfreak | is stew the channel pet now or something? |
| 17:30.57 | petemc | ... |
| 17:31.00 | wols_ | jessy_: it's still essential |
| 17:31.11 | wols_ | jessy_: fix the real problem instead (probably your DNS) |
| 17:31.14 | stew | jessy_: if you have a mailserver from your isp that you can use, install nullmailer or ssmtp which just provide enough functionality to move mail onwards |
| 17:31.21 | klork | webfreak, dunno i always find him arnd and hav helped me a lot :) |
| 17:31.41 | webfreak | klork: i figured as much |
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| 17:31.56 | jessy_ | ok... |
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| 17:36.31 | jbalcomb | ok, the fix for the Debian Testing GRUB installation failure is `ln -s /usr/sbin/grub-install /sbin/grub-install` then <Go Back> and try it again. |
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| 17:36.51 | jbalcomb | Thanks for the help guys |
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| 17:39.17 | Smoked1 | How do I tell what packages have been installed with apt-get install? |
| 17:39.20 | troytroy | ok folks pls how do i get etch - updating my sources? |
| 17:39.49 | stew | Smoked1: do you mean "all packages installed" or specifically the ones installed via apt-get vs. some other way? |
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| 17:40.02 | jessy_ | how can i mount an usb key ? (i install usbmount), when i'm connecting the usbkey there are many things displayed but nothing mounted |
| 17:40.02 | Bhavesh | back |
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| 17:40.14 | stew | jessy_: /msg dkg usb-storage |
| 17:41.27 | pickcoder | dpkg, sarge->etch |
| 17:41.27 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
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| 17:42.45 | jessy_ | i'm already under etch |
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| 17:43.01 | pickcoder | jessy_: that was for troytroy |
| 17:43.14 | troytroy | pickcoder: ok pls i always use apt wont it distruct my pkg management? |
| 17:43.30 | pickcoder | troytroy: no |
| 17:43.39 | jessy_ | ok |
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| 17:44.23 | cydork | troytroy: use aptitude to dist-upgrade it is better at solving dependancies |
| 17:45.07 | Smoked1 | stew: i mean all packages installed |
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| 17:46.11 | stew | Smoked1: dpkg -l ; the ones with an i in the second column are installed |
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| 17:46.31 | Smoked1 | thanks |
| 17:46.36 | troytroy | pickcoder: i think i already have etch |
| 17:47.10 | troytroy | pickcoder: pls any pastbin i can cat my sources lists to so u can view? |
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| 17:47.54 | tkup | hello this is debian 3.1. I can't find sign.sh anywhere in /usr/lib/ssl. I need it to sign a cert with the ca. can someone help? |
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| 17:50.01 | Tallu | Ok this is no longer fun. How can I change the default character encoding. :( dpkg-reconfigure locales just fails giving error messages. http://pastebin.ca/178798 |
| 17:50.10 | pickcoder | troytroy: sources doesn't tell anything about the installed version. dpkg -l libc6 |
| 17:51.18 | pickcoder | Tally: did you re-install locales? |
| 17:51.26 | pickcoder | ~Tallu |
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| 17:52.22 | Tallu | pickcoder: well, it didnt help |
| 17:52.39 | troytroy | pickcoder: http://sneex.pastebin.ca/178869 |
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| 17:53.32 | pickcoder | troytroy: you have Etch installed |
| 17:53.47 | troytroy | pickcoder: :) |
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| 17:54.02 | omry | got a new cable modem and I want to connect it via usb. I modprobed usbnet, and saw the usb modem got eth2. I configured eth2 to use dhcp (which is not yet installed) and did ifup eth2. I don't see the the eth2 iface in ifconfig. is that normal? |
| 17:54.21 | troytroy | pickcoder: pls how do i get 2.6.16-x kernel |
| 17:54.21 | tkup | ok found it |
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| 17:54.37 | wols_ | troytroy: apt-cache search linux-image |grep 2.6.16 |
| 17:54.38 | pickcoder | troytroy: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 17:54.50 | pickcoder | :P |
| 17:55.39 | MustangMatt | Does's sarges php.ini apply to apache system wide or only for the default virtual host? |
| 17:55.42 | pickcoder | wols_ will shorten the list |
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| 17:57.28 | pickcoder | omry: why do you want to connect a cable modem via USB? |
| 17:58.02 | omry | pickcoder, eth0 is already taken |
| 17:58.07 | luke-jr_work | he doesn't really, he just doesn't know it yet |
| 17:58.11 | luke-jr_work | omry: get an ethernet card |
| 17:58.18 | pickcoder | omry: it will be slow as molasses |
| 17:58.30 | wols_ | omry: and will eat CPU like no tomorrow |
| 17:58.41 | Tallu | Well well |
| 17:58.43 | luke-jr_work | pickcoder: um, USB is faster than consume internet speeds |
| 17:58.44 | omry | I have another eth card, but I suspect its a bit broken. |
| 17:58.47 | Tallu | 5000 emails since I last read it |
| 17:58.49 | Tallu | This will be a joy. |
| 17:58.51 | omry | don't mind giving it a try if you guys can help |
| 17:58.54 | luke-jr_work | I use USB for internet |
| 17:58.58 | luke-jr_work | the only problem is reliability |
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| 17:59.17 | pickcoder | luke-jr_work: provided it's USB 2.0 |
| 17:59.35 | luke-jr_work | omry: buy a new one |
| 17:59.48 | troytroy | hmm "apt-cache" now giving error command not found but have it in my path "/usr/bin/apt-cache" |
| 18:00.02 | omry | luke-jr_, the shops are closed now. |
| 18:00.04 | pickcoder | troytroy: apt-get update |
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| 18:00.17 | dererk | Hi there! :) |
| 18:00.43 | omry | luke-jr_work, I am supposed to get an ip via dhcp (mpls) |
| 18:01.12 | omry | when I enable eth1 (ethernet) or eth2 (usb) I dont see them in ifconfig |
| 18:01.25 | troytroy | pickcoder: still error ":apt-cache: command not found" |
| 18:01.29 | omry | could it be because dhcp client is not yet installed? |
| 18:01.35 | troytroy | pickcoder: still error "apt-cache: command not found" |
| 18:01.38 | pickcoder | troytroy: are you root? |
| 18:01.45 | luke-jr_work | omry: ifconfig -a |
| 18:02.02 | troytroy | pickcoder: yes infact it worked some min ago |
| 18:02.32 | troytroy | pickcoder: whoami root |
| 18:02.36 | omry | luke-jr_work, hmm, better : the ethernet card got a static ip. |
| 18:02.41 | omry | in the local network |
| 18:02.58 | omry | luke-jr_work, why doesn't it appear in the normal ifconfig view? |
| 18:03.19 | pickcoder | troytroy: does apt-get work? |
| 18:03.29 | troytroy | pickcoder: yes |
| 18:03.58 | pickcoder | troytroy: ls -l /usr/bin/apt-cache |
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| 18:04.58 | troytroy | pickcoder: its there "which apt-cache" give /usr/bin/apt-cache |
| 18:04.59 | luke-jr_work | omry: it's down |
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| 18:05.14 | pickcoder | troytroy: try running it by path |
| 18:05.16 | luke-jr_work | omry: aptitude install dhcpcd |
| 18:05.27 | luke-jr_work | omry: dhcpcd -i eth2 |
| 18:05.33 | omry | luke-jr_work, I see this in its output line: RX packets:0 errors:71676 dropped:2032350 overruns:0 frame:4072664 |
| 18:05.42 | omry | maybe from a previous try |
| 18:05.46 | omry | many errors. |
| 18:05.50 | omry | you think its fucked? |
| 18:06.26 | luke-jr_work | omry: I think that language is not appropriate |
| 18:06.35 | luke-jr_work | I'd eject it and start fresh |
| 18:06.42 | luke-jr_work | should reset #s |
| 18:06.52 | troytroy | ok |
| 18:06.58 | omry | luke-jr_work, sorry. what do you mean eject? |
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| 18:07.22 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:07.23 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:07.30 | luke-jr_work | omry: eject it... |
| 18:07.42 | luke-jr_work | omry: I forget the command |
| 18:07.42 | Bhavesh | dang boss is back |
| 18:07.44 | omry | luke-jr_, the modem? the card? the cdrom? :) |
| 18:07.56 | luke-jr_work | eject the modem from the computer |
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| 18:08.55 | pickcoder | shouldn't it be hot plugged? |
| 18:09.24 | luke-jr_work | pickcoder: shouldn't it be shutdown before unplugged? |
| 18:09.45 | pickcoder | if it's not active, you can't use ifdown. right? |
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| 18:10.31 | joey_Sonor | hello guys |
| 18:10.45 | luke-jr_work | pickcoder: I guess not |
| 18:11.03 | pickcoder | omry: try "ifdown eth2" |
| 18:11.07 | omry | luke-jr_work, still show the same number of errors. |
| 18:11.10 | pickcoder | just for giggles |
| 18:11.10 | omry | pickcoder, tried. |
| 18:11.14 | pickcoder | ok |
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| 18:12.08 | pickcoder | you can also try removing the module via rmmod |
| 18:12.25 | joey_Sonor | guys help .. i just install the debian sarge 3.1 and something is wrong on grafics the grficd suck on gnome and kde too! |
| 18:12.28 | joey_Sonor | help me |
| 18:13.14 | deceptacon | what port does tightvncserver use ? |
| 18:13.22 | deceptacon | by default, is it 5900 ? |
| 18:13.34 | intruder | do you guys think the debian team has reduced their effort on conviviality since ubuntu is out |
| 18:13.36 | luke-jr_work | omry: after you unplugged it and plugged it back in? |
| 18:13.38 | Eulex | 5900 and a few more above that |
| 18:13.47 | luke-jr_work | 5800 and 5900 |
| 18:13.55 | luke-jr_work | +1 if those are taken |
| 18:14.04 | deceptacon | alright thanks |
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| 18:14.14 | joey_Sonor | ?...help someone |
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| 18:14.42 | rvalles | Is there a package for the (new and still experimental) xorg driver for ati mach64? |
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| 18:14.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you tried CLONK yet? |
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| 18:15.10 | joey_Sonor | ? |
| 18:15.19 | omry | luke-jr_work, yes |
| 18:15.28 | dererk | I've a problem creating an udev rule to run a script at connecting USB |
| 18:15.41 | dererk | If I run the script by hand, everthing works |
| 18:15.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: at work .. duh :) |
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| 18:16.21 | dererk | If I let the rule to execute the script, then it doesn't find the device in matter path |
| 18:16.30 | dererk | Any idea? |
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| 18:17.02 | dererk | I'm about to go crazy with this issue... |
| 18:17.04 | omry | luke-jr_work, something strange: when I try to dhcpd -i eth1 (the dubious ethernet card), the other ethernet interface goes down. |
| 18:17.05 | intruder | dererk: wrong path ? |
| 18:17.32 | dererk | intruder, no, as I said, If I run the script by hand, It works perfectly |
| 18:17.39 | intruder | oh ok |
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| 18:18.11 | intruder | dererk: may be a matter of time |
| 18:18.21 | intruder | dererk: maybe udev runs the script too soon |
| 18:18.33 | intruder | try including a couple of pauses |
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| 18:18.45 | dererk | I think It has something to do with the sequence in which device node on /dev is placed, and the execution of my script itself |
| 18:19.01 | dererk | intruder, exactly, that's what I think too |
| 18:19.17 | omry | luke-jr_work, well, it also happens if I do it to the eth2 (usb) interface. |
| 18:19.24 | intruder | dererk: ill do a lil research brb |
| 18:19.26 | dererk | but I already put there a "sleep 600" and didn't got it either :\ |
| 18:19.37 | dererk | intruder, have fun :) |
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| 18:20.06 | luke-jr_work | omry: maybe it needs to be a capital -I |
| 18:20.16 | dererk | I've to be honest, I spent all night in fact with this |
| 18:20.18 | omry | luke-jr_work, checking the man |
| 18:20.25 | dererk | I'm 2'' about to give up |
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| 18:23.03 | omry | luke-jr_work, its capital I, but I still can't get the interface up. |
| 18:23.21 | redrain | Hi, I know this is not #squid, but I couldn't get any reply from there. May be someone knows: Hi, I need to setup an access control mechanism which some users allowed to access one hour in a day. User can use this one hour when he/she want to use. For example she/he could use 15 minutes of this one hour after 9:00 AM and other 45 minutes before 16:00 PM. Is this possible? |
| 18:23.37 | pickcoder | joey_Sonor: I think CTRL-ALT + or - will cycle through available resolutions |
| 18:23.56 | pickcoder | joey_Sonor: the generic VGA driver will set things to 256 colors |
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| 18:24.16 | pickcoder | joey_Sonor: you may want to ask in #kde |
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| 18:25.04 | intruder | dererk: your using the PROGRAM variable in a *udev.rules file ? |
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| 18:28.29 | pitio | !dpkg tell pitio about karamba |
| 18:28.29 | pitio | o.o |
| 18:28.30 | triptec_home | anyone who might know why I can connect anonymously from a lin but not from a win, the server says something about trying to write 4 bytes to client in the logfile, using security = user and public = yes on one of my shares?? |
| 18:28.48 | dererk | intruder, no |
| 18:29.00 | luke-jr_work | triptec_home: good job not saying HOW you are trying to connect.... |
| 18:29.13 | dererk | intruder, cat /etc/udev/rules.d/z99_unlockear.rules |
| 18:29.13 | dererk | KERNEL=="sd?", BUS=="usb", ACTION=="add", RUN+="/usr/sbin/verify" |
| 18:29.20 | dererk | that's all |
| 18:29.37 | wols | !tell pitio about selftell |
| 18:29.48 | intruder | dererk: i found somone suggesting using it in a PROGRAM= var |
| 18:30.01 | triptec_home | just \\netbiosname |
| 18:30.06 | intruder | i also found, you could do the same job with usbmgr |
| 18:30.11 | pitio | :o oh thx didnt knew that xD |
| 18:30.24 | dererk | intruder, really ? |
| 18:30.31 | intruder | yep |
| 18:30.52 | intruder | with usbmgr you can setup differences between two or more usb keys |
| 18:31.00 | triptec_home | luke-jr_work: :with samba... |
| 18:31.02 | intruder | so it can recognize the right one |
| 18:31.20 | dererk | intruder, I think I must look at it then :) |
| 18:31.31 | dererk | intruder, thanks by now :) |
| 18:31.35 | intruder | yea especially if you use a couple of usb keys |
| 18:32.02 | intruder | i like preventing suicide :P |
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| 18:33.29 | pickcoder | intruder: like a dull knife? |
| 18:33.49 | pickcoder | intruder: you can still mess things up really badly, but you have to make a real effort? |
| 18:33.49 | intruder | pickcoder: haha no |
| 18:33.54 | pickcoder | heh |
| 18:34.12 | intruder | better doing anything than nothing |
| 18:35.04 | dererk | intruder, thanks for your time :) |
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| 18:35.42 | intruder | dererk: oh its my fun dude |
| 18:35.51 | dererk | :)) |
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| 18:36.31 | intruder | its boring at school anyway |
| 18:36.46 | ahlfors | Is there any way to automate scsidev so it checks and creates device nodes when there is a relevant usb connect or disconnect? |
| 18:36.46 | intruder | im always desperatly looking for things to fix |
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| 18:36.58 | intruder | ahlfors: haha, use usbmgr |
| 18:37.11 | intruder | ahlfors: or mess up with udev |
| 18:37.31 | ahlfors | I hate udev, it never seems to work |
| 18:37.52 | intruder | try usbmgr, seems easy to use |
| 18:37.56 | ahlfors | I want my plain old /dev nodes to be there, I just want convenient aliases for certain devices. usbmgr can do that? |
| 18:38.12 | pickcoder | challenges are fun, except when it's a 200 pin wire-wrap panel that must have .1% tolerance |
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| 18:38.24 | intruder | ahlfors: usbmgr will run a script youve made |
| 18:38.43 | intruder | ahlfors: make a script that makes symbolic links when usb devices are connected |
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| 18:39.40 | intruder | ahlfors: you should also make a script to remove these files when your device is disconnected |
| 18:39.45 | ahlfors | intruder, I guess I can do that, but I feel like I'd be writing a crappy version of the functionality of scsidev, and it would get hard to maintain |
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| 18:40.14 | intruder | ahlfors: you only want shortcuts to you devices? |
| 18:40.16 | ahlfors | And how does usbmgr interact with hotplug? Doesn't hotplug run scripts on usb connect/disconnect events? |
| 18:40.33 | intruder | ahlfors: i dont know, it seems to work beside udev |
| 18:40.53 | rvsjoen | doesn't udev conflict with hotplug ? |
| 18:41.06 | ahlfors | intruder, yes, e.g. I want my camera card to be /dev/sdcard or something like that whenever it is connected |
| 18:41.11 | stew | rvsjoen: in sarge it depends on hotplug in etch/sid it conflicts |
| 18:41.43 | rvsjoen | ah |
| 18:41.43 | pickcoder | ahlfors: look at the scsi.alias option for scsidev |
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| 18:41.50 | pickcoder | s/option/file |
| 18:41.55 | ahlfors | I have hotplug installed now but I have never messed with its scripts or tables |
| 18:42.13 | ahlfors | pickcoder, I am using scsidev for that now. The problem is I need to run it manually every time I add or remove a device. |
| 18:42.32 | pickcoder | rescan-scsi-bus |
| 18:42.33 | intruder | gotta go, be back in two hours, in the cisco classe |
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| 18:42.57 | ahlfors | Worse still, scsidev doesn't always create the partition-specific links like /dev/scsi/sdcard-p1 |
| 18:44.21 | ahlfors | So udev and hotplug are alternative solutions to the same problem? Which is easier to use? |
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| 18:53.43 | l0git3ch | bonjour tous |
| 18:53.48 | asg | !fr |
| 18:53.48 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:53.57 | l0git3ch | oh sorry :p |
| 18:54.06 | dan2 | asg! |
| 18:54.10 | dan2 | asg: you hit the pub yet? |
| 18:54.10 | asg | hiya |
| 18:54.30 | asg | dan2: been here for 30 minutes |
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| 18:54.34 | l0git3ch | anyone know the cinerella software ? |
| 18:55.04 | wols | !anyone |
| 18:55.04 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:55.31 | l0git3ch | i dont arrive to install cinrellera |
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| 18:55.34 | Celeste | hi |
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| 18:55.52 | Celeste | how can I change the Bcast:10.255.255.255 to Bcast:10.0.0.255 ? |
| 18:56.05 | wols | l0git3ch: do you think we're psychic? |
| 18:56.06 | Celeste | until now I did: ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 18:56.27 | wols | Celeste: man interfaces |
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| 18:57.07 | klork | hullo guys, am trying to start a xen virtual machine but it aint working when networking is enabled more at http://pastebin.ca/178927 ...... plz help out |
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| 18:58.44 | petemc | klork: try loading the netloop module |
| 18:58.51 | dan2 | asg: you know, I use to not be able to stand going to the orthodontist. It's been three years (ya my mouth was really fucked up), and I'm almost there, my teeth are almost perfectly straight on the top, they're perfect on the bottom |
| 18:58.54 | klork | oks |
| 18:59.04 | gnd | what to do when apt-get -f install can't fix the problem? |
| 18:59.17 | gnd | trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libdns_sd.so.1', which is also in package bonjour |
| 18:59.28 | asg | dan2: I have perfect teeth and haven't seen a dentist since Regan's first term |
| 18:59.32 | petemc | klork: that may fix the networking, but you'll find 2.6.17 kernel panics after starting the second or third domU |
| 18:59.32 | klork | petemc, same error |
| 18:59.39 | gnd | and if I do apt-get remove bonjour it complains again |
| 18:59.42 | dan2 | asg: not even for cleanings? |
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| 19:00.03 | asg | dan2: well, in a professional capacity. I've grinned at a few at bars and such. No, I'm perfectly capable of cleaning them myself. |
| 19:00.21 | dan2 | ok |
| 19:00.35 | klork | petemc, okey |
| 19:00.39 | dan2 | asg: straight teeth vs. teeth hanging down from the roof of my mouth is a great advantage |
| 19:00.40 | dan2 | ;) |
| 19:00.56 | petemc | klork: did you uncomment the relevant line in /etc/xen/xendconfig or whatever the file is? |
| 19:01.12 | klork | nope just modeprobed it |
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| 19:01.22 | petemc | oh, i see it at the bottom |
| 19:01.30 | asg | dan2: mine are straight |
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| 19:01.37 | asg | dan2: and I'm English, go figure. |
| 19:02.03 | klork | petemc, i didnt get ye |
| 19:02.42 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.48 | klork | ya oks |
| 19:02.48 | petemc | but you mentioned it in your paste |
| 19:02.49 | gnd | how do you override a dependency? |
| 19:03.07 | asg | gnd: dpkg --force-help |
| 19:04.46 | gnd | I'm doing a dist-upgrade and I get this: ksysguardd: Depends: libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 (>= 0.6.13) but 0.6.10-1 is installed |
| 19:04.55 | abrotman | you probably don't really want to do that |
| 19:04.56 | asg | gnd: what debian version? |
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| 19:05.03 | gnd | unstable |
| 19:05.18 | asg | gnd: then wait a few days (after checking the bts, of course) |
| 19:05.34 | gnd | but when I try apt-get -f install I get this: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libdns_sd.so.1', which is also in package bonjour |
| 19:05.43 | gnd | I don't really need bonjour |
| 19:05.54 | asg | gnd: you are running unstable, you should know how to fix this |
| 19:05.57 | gnd | I just tried out gizmo (I think it came with that) |
| 19:06.16 | gnd | I can't uninstall gizmo cuz I get a dependency problem again, the same one |
| 19:06.29 | gnd | err, I can |
| 19:06.35 | Bhavesh | that's why i started voiding unstable like unstable postal worker :) |
| 19:06.40 | gnd | err, I can't uninstall bonjour |
| 19:07.04 | gnd | so I just want it to overwrite that lib |
| 19:07.18 | asg | gnd: dpkg --force-help |
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| 19:07.48 | gnd | so apt-get --force-overwrite ? |
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| 19:08.08 | gnd | or do I force-overwrite just that one package? |
| 19:08.22 | abrotman | gnd: you broke unstable .. you get to fix it .. that's the joy of running unstable |
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| 19:08.31 | abrotman | if you're not capable of running it .. don't |
| 19:08.56 | thingfish | yes, it's my fault. |
| 19:09.00 | asg | gnd: use dpkg --force-* to fix the dependancy error. Learn from lesson. |
| 19:09.00 | Bhavesh | abrotman: that is why i stopped running unstable, and i am happy with stable/testing |
| 19:09.19 | asg | Bhavesh: stable/testing is worse than unstable |
| 19:09.27 | ahlfors | how long does it take for something just added to unstable to work its way into testing? |
| 19:09.38 | asg | ahlfors: 10 days +/- (or never) |
| 19:09.41 | Bhavesh | asg: well i had that running before i installed last time last night |
| 19:09.50 | Bhavesh | but i think right now i kept stuff at stable |
| 19:10.04 | klork | petemc, http://pastebin.ca/178941 |
| 19:10.07 | asg | Bhavesh: unstable can be bad. Mixing stable and testing is ultra-bad since things have diverged so much. |
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| 19:10.42 | Bhavesh | asg: for some reason i did not install/uninstall too many packages when i had stable/testing |
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| 19:11.01 | petemc | klork: did you load loop or netloop? |
| 19:11.01 | abrotman | asg: i've heard many people have success running stable with backports .. and they're even happy .. any truth to those reports? |
| 19:11.02 | Bhavesh | but you make a lot of sense |
| 19:11.05 | asg | Bhavesh: there is no such thing as stable/testing. Just broken. |
| 19:11.22 | asg | abrotman: stable + backports != stable/testing (wtf that is) |
| 19:11.22 | klork | petemc, both first loop then ye said netloop |
| 19:11.29 | petemc | right |
| 19:11.33 | abrotman | asg: i was joking ... |
| 19:11.41 | gnd | ok, looks like it's fixed |
| 19:11.43 | l0git3ch | i have error when i try to compile cinerella: iec61883.h:115: error: syntax error before "handle" |
| 19:11.46 | gnd | thanks asg |
| 19:11.49 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 19:11.51 | asg | gnd: you're welcome |
| 19:11.54 | petemc | klork: you could try running the network-bridge script manually |
| 19:11.58 | abrotman | asg: i'm pretty sure i know stable+backports isn't the same as fucking yourself with stable+testing :) |
| 19:12.07 | klork | petemc, oks |
| 19:12.08 | l0git3ch | if anyone can me to compile ? |
| 19:12.12 | asg | abrotman: I know :) |
| 19:12.14 | l0git3ch | *help |
| 19:12.59 | luke-jr_work | does ipmasq have a simple dnat addon? |
| 19:13.20 | Jasper | Hello everyone. I am using a recently set-up sarge Debian system with a 2.4.27 kernel. On it I installed eciadsl - a driver for our modem. Now, I am trying to get that driver to run when the system starts, I used the guide that was at the driver's site (which used /etc/init.d and update-rc.d). this method worked, but from that moment on my system freezed after logging in |
| 19:13.55 | klork | petemc, cannot figure the scipts location does seem to be in /etc/init.d |
| 19:14.02 | Jasper | now I need either a way to make it run on startup anyway or a way to start it easily without needing the root password |
| 19:14.12 | Jasper | can anyone help me with this? |
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| 19:15.00 | abrotman | !run at boot |
| 19:15.00 | dpkg | To run something at boot, either use an @reboot cronjob (man 5 crontab). Or ask me about "update-rc.d" and "rcconf". |
| 19:15.04 | abrotman | uhm .. |
| 19:15.10 | abrotman | not quite what i was looking for |
| 19:15.21 | abrotman | !tell Jasper about run at startup |
| 19:15.26 | abrotman | why aren't those the same .... |
| 19:15.39 | stew | Jasper: to load a module at boot, list it in /etc/modules |
| 19:15.41 | abrotman | Jasper: put the module in /etc/modules |
| 19:15.59 | petemc | klork: /etc/xen/scripts/ |
| 19:16.01 | abrotman | !punish abrotman |
| 19:16.13 | asg | ooooo, antipasto |
| 19:16.22 | petemc | klork: you might want to check some documentation |
| 19:16.39 | wols | asg: abrotman's balls certainly won't stimulate my appetite |
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| 19:16.54 | wols | and I dunno how fishy they taste so I'm not sure about the penguin's either |
| 19:16.54 | abrotman | wols: use some wasabi |
| 19:17.03 | asg | wols: just like tongue if it's very thin |
| 19:17.18 | Jasper | okey I will try and see what I can do with this |
| 19:17.21 | Jasper | thanks |
| 19:17.21 | wols | abrotman: no amount of additives will improve the taste of your balls |
| 19:17.32 | abrotman | wols: have we dated? |
| 19:17.41 | wols | I hope not |
| 19:18.01 | klork | petemc, ya startednetwork-bridge and vif-bridge ...oks |
| 19:18.14 | zamuro | Anyone works with mysql here? |
| 19:18.20 | klork | ya myself |
| 19:18.33 | petemc | klork: so now try and create the domU |
| 19:18.34 | asg | zamuro: probably, lots of people in #mysql do. |
| 19:18.36 | wols | !tell zamuro about anyone |
| 19:18.37 | troytroy | hmm debian courting hehe |
| 19:18.40 | asg | zamuro: abrotman doesn't though |
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| 19:18.56 | abrotman | sadly .. i do have it running here |
| 19:18.58 | intruder | reality makes me feel so lonely, nobody understands me when i speak about linux, everybody is looking at me weirdly when they see i only use a maximized black window with text |
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| 19:19.12 | abrotman | asg: but there's only one thing left in it@! |
| 19:19.16 | zamuro | asg: Oh, really? U found out that by yourself or you googled for it? |
| 19:19.38 | Tallu | intruder: running x on the background usually makes people feel more comfortable and some even ask where to download that theme for xp.. |
| 19:19.45 | asg | zamuro: no, I was pointing you to another resource. The bit about abrotman comes from years of experience. |
| 19:19.56 | klork | petemc, lol started working thanks a lot petemc...... come closer ********* :P |
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| 19:20.46 | intruder | Tallu: then you have to explain the whole thing about there is another world than ms-windows, then you look like an ET |
| 19:20.54 | Deepa | i got alot of computers |
| 19:21.00 | troytroy | troytroy still not been able to figure out how to install kernel 2.6.16-x or 2.6.17-x |
| 19:21.02 | Deepa | and a router at 192.168.0.1 |
| 19:21.20 | Tallu | intruder: :P |
| 19:21.22 | stew | troytroy: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:21.25 | Deepa | however i got this computer (192.168.0.4) with 2 network cards... and i have another computer thats supposed to connect thru eth1 of this one |
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| 19:21.35 | Deepa | and then eth1 would be 192.168.1.1 |
| 19:21.35 | wols | stew: his libc6 is etch |
| 19:21.37 | intruder | is there non-technical debian channel? |
| 19:21.42 | Deepa | it worked perfectly until i restarted the computer |
| 19:21.46 | Deepa | now i have no idea how to or waht to do |
| 19:21.48 | troytroy | stew: etch |
| 19:21.49 | Deepa | suggestions? |
| 19:21.52 | stew | troytroy: if you are running etch: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 19:21.54 | asg | intruder: yes but we'll beat you if you join ... those are the rules |
| 19:21.54 | ahlfors | intruder, #ubuntu |
| 19:21.58 | intruder | ahlfors: hahaha |
| 19:22.05 | intruder | yea |
| 19:22.07 | intruder | youre right |
| 19:22.15 | Tallu | ahlfors: good one :P |
| 19:22.18 | asg | intruder: try #debian-social |
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| 19:22.26 | wols | Deepa: you need to do double NAT. bad thing |
| 19:22.30 | intruder | asg: yea, thats what i was looking for |
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| 19:22.36 | Deepa | wols: well how do i do it :>? |
| 19:22.38 | Deepa | it worked fine a while ago |
| 19:22.45 | wols | apt-get install ipmasq |
| 19:23.01 | bofh80 | hey ho :) |
| 19:23.11 | Deepa | installing |
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| 19:23.29 | Nat` | hello, i have a problem with debian sid, ati driver. I have this error in the Xorg.0.log: (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1) . Can help me nobody? |
| 19:23.39 | Deepa | what if i screw up the 'settings' :p |
| 19:23.42 | intruder | does anyone knows a way to get multiple ttys through ssh without multiple ssh connection? |
| 19:23.46 | wols | Deepa: another way might be forwarding. but: can't you add this all to your router? |
| 19:23.50 | Braindead | intruder: screen |
| 19:24.01 | wols | you can always remove ipmasq. and there are very little "settings" |
| 19:24.08 | Deepa | wols: ow the router shouldnt care |
| 19:24.13 | bofh80 | how do i enable ip routing so that i can use my debain box as a default gateway (ie share the wireless connection from my debain box.) there is no firewall to worry about . .. . . |
| 19:24.15 | Deepa | i did this thru the computer last time |
| 19:24.20 | asg | Nat`: probably due to 7.1 going in this morning. Wait a few days and see if its fixed. |
| 19:24.21 | intruder | Braindead: is that a command or what ? |
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| 19:24.26 | wols | Deepa: I mean adding that 2nd network directly to the router |
| 19:24.36 | wols | intruder: package, command. both |
| 19:24.37 | Braindead | intruder: aptitude install screen |
| 19:24.40 | Deepa | ow |
| 19:24.46 | intruder | ok lets see |
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| 19:24.47 | Braindead | it's a program. search for a tutorial online |
| 19:24.48 | Deepa | irssi just went funny |
| 19:24.48 | asg | Nat`: if this is some non-free ati driver, try recompiling it. |
| 19:25.02 | troytroy | so can a linux box equiped with a good wireless card perform the same functions as the linksys WRT54G router running the dd-rwt firmware v2.3? |
| 19:25.05 | petemc | ^l |
| 19:25.09 | Deepa | wols: do i need to do anything more? |
| 19:25.18 | bofh80 | my network ip is 192.168.13.1 my wireless net is 192.168.1.1 i want the debian box to route for other pc's to that network...... :) how? docs? |
| 19:25.19 | darkskiez | where can read about nvidia-glx-legacy and what all thatsa about |
| 19:25.22 | Deepa | troytroy: ofc it can, i got one of them routers and a linux box totally owns it |
| 19:25.22 | wols | Deepa: no |
| 19:25.28 | luke-jr_work | troytroy: ... a WRT54G is a Linux box with a good wireless card and ethernet switch |
| 19:25.36 | Deepa | wols: ah, well thanks :D |
| 19:25.47 | Nat` | asg, is non-free driver ati |
| 19:25.52 | luke-jr_work | troytroy: the only difference is lack of nvram and low-power device, really |
| 19:25.57 | Nat` | asg, you can help me ? |
| 19:25.59 | wols | luke-jr_work: newer WRT54G are not. impossible to find an old one |
| 19:26.04 | bofh80 | darkskiez, for older unsupported cards |
| 19:26.09 | wols | luke-jr_work: and its amount of memory and CPU... well it sucks |
| 19:26.16 | Tallu | Uh, what would I need to make my linux act as a dsl modem? =) |
| 19:26.18 | luke-jr_work | wols: not impossible-- NewEgg has WRT54GL which is the old one |
| 19:26.19 | asg | Nat`: then I'd suggest performing whatever voodoo you used to get it installed in the first place again. |
| 19:26.23 | intruder | luke-jr_work: i converted my wrt54g V5 in a linux box |
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| 19:26.32 | intruder | it has been made possible a couple of months ago |
| 19:26.37 | wols | luke-jr_work: WRT54G = WRT54GL |
| 19:26.44 | troytroy | i see |
| 19:26.50 | luke-jr_work | the point being the WRT54G[L] is just a bottom-of-the-line-hardware Linux box =p |
| 19:26.53 | Nat` | asg, im not understand |
| 19:27.08 | l0git3ch | nobody for help me with cinerella ? |
| 19:27.09 | Deepa | wols: still not working |
| 19:27.12 | Deepa | not getting any response |
| 19:27.14 | darkskiez | bofh80: oh ok |
| 19:27.24 | troytroy | i got a WRT54G router here running the dd-wrt v2.3 firmware |
| 19:27.24 | Nat` | asg, i must recompiling the ati driver, how? |
| 19:27.25 | asg | Nat`: the version of the driver you installed doesn't match the new X version in sid. If you compiled the driver, try recompiling it. If not, I don't know. |
| 19:27.29 | wols | dpkg: repsonse with what? |
| 19:27.39 | wols | Deepa: set the DNS properly? |
| 19:27.44 | troytroy | luke-jr_work: i got a WRT54G router here running the dd-wrt v2.3 firmware |
| 19:27.46 | Deepa | i couldnt even ping this computer |
| 19:27.50 | Deepa | got a timeout on 192.168.1.1 |
| 19:28.25 | Deepa | and eth1 doesnt have any packages sent/received |
| 19:28.28 | yggdrasi1 | yar |
| 19:28.30 | wols | then it's no problem with masq. it's a connection issue |
| 19:28.34 | yggdrasi1 | hey wols wasup |
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| 19:28.47 | wols | it can only do masq if it receives anything... |
| 19:28.52 | Deepa | eth1 was down |
| 19:28.57 | Deepa | brb retrt |
| 19:29.01 | Deepa | retry* |
| 19:29.04 | troytroy | luke-jr_work: just curios i want to build similar thing with an old P111 tower lying around |
| 19:29.10 | wols | Deepa: then remove ipmasq. and edit your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:29.35 | wols | yggdrasi1: nothing's up. eth1 is down as you can see |
| 19:29.51 | yggdrasi1 | hmm |
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| 19:30.09 | bofh80 | how do i tell debian to let other machines route through it like an internet gateway? |
| 19:30.15 | troytroy | luke-jr_work: do i need a special wireless card or just a normal linux supported wireless pci nic |
| 19:30.19 | wols | bofh80: ipmasq |
| 19:30.25 | bofh80 | wols, cool |
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| 19:30.35 | Deepa | wols: okies |
| 19:30.41 | luke-jr_work | troytroy: one that Linux supports for hostap, I think |
| 19:30.45 | wols | troytroy: any card that supports host-ap mode. usually a normal PCI nic |
| 19:31.03 | troytroy | ok |
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| 19:31.27 | troytroy | and how about the switching functions :) |
| 19:31.51 | wols | you don't need anything for the "switing functions" |
| 19:31.52 | troytroy | i guess that i need a good old switch for that |
| 19:31.54 | sjr | Hmmmm with the standard debian kernel the system won't boot and says that my ACPI implementation is buggy and to nag my manufacturer. Or that I can turn ENABLE_ACPI_DEBUG off, how do I do that without recompiling my kernel. |
| 19:32.09 | wols | troytroy: either that or several network cards |
| 19:32.10 | sjr | I currently boot with acpi=off but that's disabling all acpi, and makes my notebook useless :) |
| 19:32.14 | Deepa | wols: out of pure curiosity, what should i put at eth1? |
| 19:32.19 | Deepa | auto eth1 |
| 19:32.23 | troytroy | wols: :) |
| 19:32.27 | Deepa | iface eth1 inet dhcp? |
| 19:32.51 | wols | Deepa: unlikely that eth1 would get its IP via DHCP |
| 19:32.57 | Deepa | - dhcp then |
| 19:32.58 | wols | I would use a static IP |
| 19:33.12 | Deepa | thats sort of how i not know how to do :> |
| 19:33.15 | troytroy | wols: any info about extending the antenna system? |
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| 19:33.21 | wols | Deepa: man interfaces |
| 19:33.27 | Deepa | im on it atm |
| 19:33.32 | wols | troytroy: no |
| 19:33.40 | troytroy | ok |
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| 19:34.22 | troytroy | i guess i need a cable to extend the antenna from the awkward position |
| 19:34.26 | Deepa | iface eth1 inet static |
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| 19:34.29 | Deepa | addres blahblahblah |
| 19:34.29 | bofh80 | ipmasq is basically NAT yes? i don't need NAT need normal IP routing. i want to talk to a local network over a wireless connection from another pc using the debian box to provide the connection. need pure IP routing |
| 19:34.35 | Deepa | netmask blahblahblah |
| 19:34.39 | Deepa | up |
| 19:34.41 | troytroy | ok i will try it |
| 19:34.41 | intruder | troytroy: with dd-wrt you can boost the signal power |
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| 19:34.47 | Deepa | to insert into /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 19:34.58 | troytroy | intruder: yes |
| 19:35.03 | Bhavesh | Deepa: sounds right |
| 19:35.10 | Deepa | okies, ty :) |
| 19:35.14 | Jasper | well, you have given me a guide to make init.d scripts, but I guess it's just a bit above my level |
| 19:35.17 | luke-jr_work | bofh80: use a bridge? |
| 19:35.28 | Bhavesh | Deepa: make sure one of them has a gateway |
| 19:35.32 | bofh80 | luke-jr_, probably what i want. what do i need to look up? |
| 19:35.42 | luke-jr_work | bofh80: aptitude install bridge-tools or smth |
| 19:35.44 | troytroy | intruder: i learnt boosting it too much can sterilise your balls :) |
| 19:35.45 | Deepa | well this computer IS the gateway :) |
| 19:35.51 | luke-jr_work | bofh80: binary is 'brctl' |
| 19:35.58 | bofh80 | luke-jr_work, fantastic. cheers |
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| 19:36.18 | Deepa | now after ive edited /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:36.19 | Deepa | what do i do? |
| 19:36.26 | luke-jr_work | bofh80: it will basically connect two interfaces together as if they were the same network |
| 19:36.45 | Jasper | Is there any other (simpler) way I might be able to get this script to start at startup? |
| 19:37.00 | Deepa | wols :)? |
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| 19:37.16 | cydork | Deepa, invoke-rc.d networking restart |
| 19:37.29 | Deepa | wont that, restart eth0 too? |
| 19:37.54 | cydork | Deepa, oh you just want bring up one interface? |
| 19:37.54 | troytroy | intruder: pls which part on the web interface of the dd-wrt for WRT54G can this fuction be effected? |
| 19:37.56 | wols | bofh80: tried "/bin/echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" ? |
| 19:38.08 | yggdrasi1 | i have a base install of debian what do i need to apt in order to mount usb har drives ? |
| 19:38.14 | Deepa | cydork: yep, eth1 |
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| 19:38.43 | Bhavesh | Deepa: or just try ifup eth1 |
| 19:38.52 | wols | ifup eth1 |
| 19:38.55 | cydork | Deepa, ifup |
| 19:38.58 | cydork | bah |
| 19:39.09 | Deepa | option with empty value |
| 19:39.10 | Deepa | o0 |
| 19:39.22 | cydork | Deepa, nope what wols said.. |
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| 19:40.04 | Bhavesh | if you restart network while connected won't it drop your connection? |
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| 19:40.31 | Deepa | it will |
| 19:40.33 | Deepa | but this is eth1 |
| 19:40.35 | Deepa | my other network card |
| 19:40.41 | troytroy | wheew i nearly bricked my WRT54G |
| 19:40.41 | Deepa | i got |
| 19:40.44 | Deepa | auto eth1 |
| 19:40.51 | Deepa | iface eth1 inet static |
| 19:40.55 | Deepa | address * |
| 19:40.56 | Deepa | netmask * |
| 19:40.57 | Deepa | up |
| 19:41.04 | *** part/#debian jojo_mcjo (n=yup@63.111.9.145) |
| 19:41.06 | Deepa | it was faster typing * then blahblahblah |
| 19:41.39 | *** part/#debian deadlyallance382 (n=deadlyal@wercs.wercs.com) |
| 19:41.53 | Deepa | so where is the syntax error etc :p? |
| 19:42.08 | Bhavesh | Deepa: remove UP |
| 19:42.29 | Deepa | okies |
| 19:42.43 | Bhavesh | and try it again |
| 19:42.44 | troytroy | Deepa: broadcast *.255 |
| 19:42.58 | Deepa | where do i add that? |
| 19:42.59 | Bhavesh | troytroy: that was going to be my nest suggestion :) |
| 19:43.14 | Deepa | since i KNOW i need/ed that |
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| 19:43.21 | Deepa | atleast i think i did |
| 19:43.23 | Jasper | Does anyone know a way to start this program or make it possible for users that are waaay more noob than I am to start this program in another way... I did not understand quite enough of the guide youu gave me |
| 19:43.23 | Deepa | now that you mention it |
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| 19:43.41 | troytroy | Bhavesh: :) |
| 19:43.42 | Deepa | so i just type broadcast *.255 |
| 19:43.46 | Deepa | after address? |
| 19:43.59 | Deepa | or like *.*.*.255? |
| 19:44.09 | Bhavesh | i always use 192.168.0.255 |
| 19:44.18 | Bhavesh | for broadcast if my network is 192.168.0.X |
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| 19:44.38 | Deepa | okies, brb gonna try it |
| 19:44.53 | troytroy | Deepa: depends on ur IP block |
| 19:45.04 | bitmvnch | hey guys, i haven't run into this problem in a while. what do you do when apt-get continually wants to reconfigure a package which seems to be working properly, say, postgresql, whenever you install new packages? |
| 19:45.16 | bitmvnch | i recall that there was a simple command or process one could go through to get past this. |
| 19:45.20 | intruder | troytroy: it should be in wireless settings |
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| 19:45.36 | Bhavesh | Deepa: good luck |
| 19:45.37 | *** part/#debian Kool-Aid (i=1000@67.170.160.41) |
| 19:45.41 | troytroy | intruder: ok |
| 19:46.51 | troytroy | intruder: "Beacon Interval"? |
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| 19:47.29 | troytroy | intruder: or "Xmit Power" ? |
| 19:47.32 | Deepa | it works :D |
| 19:47.33 | Deepa | thanks alot ^^ |
| 19:48.58 | Celeste | what is the name of the "openssh-server" on Debian Sarge? |
| 19:48.58 | troytroy | Deepa: :) sometimes lil conf that are overlooked can be a pain in the neck |
| 19:49.19 | Celeste | I cannot find the "openssh-server" package in apt-cache |
| 19:49.35 | Jasper | Then if nobody knows an easy way to get this script to run at startp, does anyone know what might cause the system to hang after such a script running? |
| 19:50.13 | intruder | troytroy: xmit power |
| 19:50.36 | intruder | troytroy: the default is 28mw on the original vxworks os |
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| 19:50.47 | troytroy | intruder: ok |
| 19:51.14 | troytroy | intruder: (Default: 28, Range: 0 - 251mW) |
| 19:51.20 | intruder | troytroy: you can go up to 250, ive setted it to 110mw, since my wireless user is at the other side of the block |
| 19:51.38 | intruder | hrmm beer |
| 19:51.40 | troytroy | intruder: wow |
| 19:51.45 | intruder | i gotta get out of schoo |
| 19:52.03 | troytroy | intruder: any trade of if i increase it? |
| 19:52.31 | intruder | troytroy: what do you mean by trade of ? |
| 19:52.33 | WorldBFree | how do i give read write permission to home user for a separate hd that is fat32? |
| 19:52.44 | asg | WorldBFree: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 19:53.19 | Deepa_blerk | its sort of working |
| 19:53.23 | troytroy | intruder: will it affect the speed of transmission currently 54MB |
| 19:53.24 | Deepa_blerk | i can access the computer on the network |
| 19:53.28 | Deepa_blerk | but not anything outside |
| 19:53.29 | intruder | troytroy: adjust it at the minimum rate where you begin to feel your balls boiling |
| 19:53.46 | Deepa_blerk | cant ping the nameservers either |
| 19:53.49 | troytroy | intruder: :) lol |
| 19:53.50 | intruder | troytroy: well, try to find the best ratio speed/correctness |
| 19:53.56 | intruder | i dont know really |
| 19:54.02 | troytroy | ok |
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| 19:54.22 | intruder | i dont think it affects the speed |
| 19:54.26 | Deepa_blerk | so, anyone know what to do :p? |
| 19:54.35 | Bhavesh | Deepa: where are you stuck now? |
| 19:54.38 | troytroy | intruder: btw tomorrow i will take it apart and see what inside |
| 19:54.44 | Deepa_blerk | Bhavesh: well i got network and so |
| 19:54.49 | Deepa_blerk | but i cant get on the internet |
| 19:54.50 | intruder | troytroy: your wrt54g ? |
| 19:54.52 | Deepa_blerk | cant ping the nameservers either |
| 19:54.55 | troytroy | yes |
| 19:55.03 | intruder | troytroy: thats not really worth it |
| 19:55.21 | Bhavesh | well check default route |
| 19:55.33 | intruder | youll see a board with plugs and thats really all |
| 19:55.37 | intruder | :P |
| 19:55.47 | troytroy | intruder: :-( why nothing interesting inside |
| 19:55.59 | FernandoMM | Hello i'm trying to mount a nfs share but i always get permission denied. My line on exports is like this -> /usr/lib/php5 192.168.0.1(rw) and i'm trying to mount with mount 192.168.0.10:/var/lib/php5/ /var/lib/php5/. What can i do? |
| 19:56.02 | Bhavesh | Deepa_blerk: check your interface file make sure at least one network card has default route configured |
| 19:56.14 | troytroy | intruder: btw can i modify it to support PoE |
| 19:56.17 | intruder | troytroy: be safe with anything that looks like an antenna :P |
| 19:56.29 | intruder | troytroy: hrm of course, i heard about that |
| 19:56.46 | intruder | troytroy: there is no modification, its only an option on the dd-wrts router page |
| 19:56.53 | Deepa_blerk | Bhavesh: i only got 5 lines :) |
| 19:56.54 | intruder | im not sure but |
| 19:56.56 | Deepa_blerk | auto eth1 |
| 19:56.56 | Deepa_blerk | iface eth1 inet static |
| 19:56.56 | Deepa_blerk | address 192.168.1.1 |
| 19:56.57 | Deepa_blerk | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 19:56.57 | Deepa_blerk | broadcast 192.168.1.255 |
| 19:56.57 | *** kick/#debian [Deepa_blerk!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
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| 19:57.06 | Deepa_blerk | crikey |
| 19:57.31 | abrotman | !paster |
| 19:57.32 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 19:57.41 | Deepa_blerk | im working on it |
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| 19:58.10 | troytroy | intruder: really |
| 19:58.13 | bitmvnch | so, no suggestions on what to do when apt insists on trying to configure / install a given package, such as postgresql, each time you install new packages? |
| 19:58.22 | Deepa_blerk | sigh |
| 19:58.31 | Deepa | hah! |
| 19:58.59 | Deepa | abrotman: the thing is |
| 19:59.03 | Deepa | i CANT get outside my network |
| 19:59.06 | Deepa | and i cant get on the internet |
| 19:59.10 | Deepa | so i cannot paste it on the internet either |
| 19:59.15 | abrotman | you can't ssh to the box and copy it ? |
| 19:59.20 | asg | Deepa: yet you are talking here |
| 19:59.22 | Deepa | ive done that |
| 19:59.23 | abrotman | you're on the internet now |
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| 19:59.35 | intruded | haha |
| 19:59.35 | Deepa | well still, i cant get outside from this computer |
| 19:59.36 | bitmvnch | Deepa: you don't appear to have a gateway, unless you were kicked before pasting it ;) |
| 19:59.38 | webfreak | the internets |
| 19:59.40 | Thuryn | yo |
| 19:59.51 | bitmvnch | how is that computer connected to the internet? |
| 19:59.54 | Thuryn | dunno |
| 19:59.58 | Deepa | bitmvnch: auto, iface, address, netmask and broadcast |
| 20:00.00 | Deepa | all i got |
| 20:00.06 | Deepa | its connected using the router |
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| 20:00.11 | bitmvnch | Deepa: well, you need a gateway. |
| 20:00.13 | bitmvnch | lol |
| 20:00.13 | Deepa | router 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:00.15 | bitmvnch | what's the router's ip? |
| 20:00.21 | bitmvnch | well the router is on a different subnet |
| 20:00.21 | bitmvnch | lol |
| 20:00.22 | bitmvnch | so |
| 20:00.25 | bitmvnch | try using address 192.168.0.2 |
| 20:00.27 | Deepa | computer (gateway thingy) 192.168.0.4 and eth1 on 192.168.1.1 |
| 20:00.33 | Deepa | this computer 192.168.1.2 |
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| 20:00.44 | bitmvnch | maybe netmask 255.255.0.0 will work |
| 20:00.48 | bitmvnch | but only if the router is set up that way |
| 20:00.53 | Bhavesh | Deepa: are you trying to use two network card on same network? |
| 20:00.58 | bitmvnch | best to stick with 192.168.0.* for your whole lan unless you have more than 254 hosts |
| 20:00.58 | Bhavesh | on one computer |
| 20:01.07 | Deepa | Bhavesh: 2 computers, and one slot on the router :> |
| 20:01.12 | Petrov | how can i chrooten? |
| 20:01.19 | troytroy | intruded: pls know this is dumb question but pls when on the dd-wrt router page |
| 20:01.24 | asg | Petrov: manen chrooten |
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| 20:01.37 | Petrov | asg: thx |
| 20:01.47 | bofh80 | wols u blighter - i thought there should be a simple option :) - - i get permission denied tho ? :) |
| 20:01.50 | Bhavesh | Deepa: and i am assuming router gets the public IP |
| 20:01.57 | Deepa | yep |
| 20:02.06 | bitmvnch | Deepa: stop using separate subnets ;d |
| 20:02.12 | asg | Petrov: to prevent war, that should be 'man 8 chroot' |
| 20:02.18 | bitmvnch | put everything on either 192.168.0.x or 192.168.1.x |
| 20:02.18 | Deepa | LAST TIME i was told it would be ALOT simpler if i did! |
| 20:02.19 | bitmvnch | make a decision |
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| 20:02.25 | bitmvnch | Deepa: well i can't vouch for that |
| 20:02.27 | bitmvnch | that's crazy talk |
| 20:02.33 | bofh80 | Deepa, someone lied. heheheh |
| 20:02.35 | bitmvnch | can you ping 192.168.0.1 from your debian machine? |
| 20:02.36 | troytroy | intruded: we have problem with power supply here so be nice if my router can share the battery power in my Alvarion box |
| 20:02.41 | Deepa | so then i setup eth1 as 192.168.0.10 and this computer as 192.168.0.11 |
| 20:02.49 | Deepa | netmask as 255.255.255.0? |
| 20:02.52 | bitmvnch | yeap. |
| 20:02.56 | Petrov | asg: oké |
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| 20:03.02 | Deepa | brb |
| 20:03.11 | Deepa | i forgot to put irssi in a screen |
| 20:03.16 | bitmvnch | 255.255.255.0 == you need a router for any machine who differs other than in the last octet |
| 20:03.24 | Bhavesh | i think we need to get some basic understanding of how she is trying to setup a network :) |
| 20:03.31 | WorldBFree | asg: i read the vfatrw and am still slightly confused. i feel like some things i need to change to fit my file locations, but im not sure which ones to change and which ones to keep. the hd im trying to give rw permission to is located at /media/hdb1 |
| 20:03.43 | bitmvnch | Bhavesh: i think i know. i have done this before many years ago when i was cheap |
| 20:03.58 | Bhavesh | bitmvnch: oh.. one router, two computers one with two nic? |
| 20:04.25 | bofh80 | Deepa, you could just have changed the subnet on all the machines to 255.255.0.0 ::P |
| 20:04.45 | bitmvnch | Bhavesh: yeah, you just set up your DHCP as eth0 and eth0:0 as the router ip |
| 20:04.47 | bofh80 | i just love networking |
| 20:04.53 | bitmvnch | it works fine, except that you get tons of collisions and stuff ;d |
| 20:04.56 | bitmvnch | which really usually doesn't amtter |
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| 20:05.04 | asg | WorldBFree: /media/ndb1 == /mount/point (in the factoid example) |
| 20:05.05 | bitmvnch | since you may be on 10mbit or 100mbit lan with like 1-3mbit of internet |
| 20:05.18 | Bhavesh | would it no be easier to enable ip_forward on the computer connected to the router? |
| 20:05.19 | bofh80 | hey i'm tryin gto echo "1" to ipforward... but i get bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: Permission denied . :( |
| 20:05.29 | bitmvnch | bofh80: that's overcomplicating things, and then if s/he ask for help in the future, it will be more to explain that isn't expected. |
| 20:05.30 | Bhavesh | or hack get a cheap switch and hook both of them up to it and uplink the router? |
| 20:05.32 | asg | bofh80: as root? |
| 20:05.41 | bofh80 | asg sudo |
| 20:05.43 | bitmvnch | Bhavesh: that's exactly what i did in the past. |
| 20:05.45 | bitmvnch | i think deepa is doing that. |
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| 20:05.51 | bitmvnch | maybe not |
| 20:05.54 | bitmvnch | we shall see ;d |
| 20:05.57 | bofh80 | bitmvnch, it's a pity they didn't just tell him to use a 10 network lol. |
| 20:06.00 | asg | bofh80: redirects won't work with sudo |
| 20:06.06 | asg | bofh80: vi /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 20:06.17 | asg | bofh80: just uncomment the relevant entry |
| 20:06.33 | bitmvnch | bofh80: most people use a /24 netmask, there's no point in having a lan with like 255 * 255 possible ips and four machines ;d |
| 20:06.40 | bitmvnch | even if you use a 10 network |
| 20:06.43 | Bhavesh | Deepa: how are you trying to setup your computer |
| 20:06.44 | bofh80 | bitmvnch, your quite right. |
| 20:06.44 | bitmvnch | it's just not sensible |
| 20:06.50 | kingsley | Why would a certain CD cause xmcd to go into a state of "uninterruptible sleep"? |
| 20:06.56 | bitmvnch | actually a 10 network could be 255 * 255 * 255 heh |
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| 20:07.13 | mandingo | wheee |
| 20:07.15 | intruded | troytroy: probably |
| 20:07.18 | bitmvnch | and since most people don't understand netmask, it's best to just ingrain in them the habit of using a /24 |
| 20:07.25 | stew | bofh80: the problem is that "sudo echo 1 > somefile" pipes the output of sudo, doesn't use the sudo priveleges for the > part, that part executes in your shell, if you reall wanted to use sudo you'd have to do something like sudo sh -c "echo 1 > foo" so that the entire statement runs in the sudo shell |
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| 20:07.43 | Deepa_ | damit |
| 20:07.45 | Bhavesh | Deepa_: wb |
| 20:07.48 | Deepa_ | i hate when im too fast |
| 20:07.52 | Deepa_ | well now it doesnt work at all |
| 20:07.54 | bofh80 | asg thanks for the info. and the same to stew as i'm typing this :) |
| 20:08.15 | asg | bofh80: you're welcome and I'm sure stew is appreciative also |
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| 20:08.24 | bofh80 | stew things get messy eh i'll su - instead :) |
| 20:08.42 | bofh80 | asg, ohh this file is interesting :P |
| 20:08.47 | stew | bofh80: the real answer you want is what asg said, sysctl |
| 20:08.53 | Deepa|AFK | Bhavesh: it isnt working alot |
| 20:09.01 | klork | petemc, still here? |
| 20:09.10 | stew | asg: actaully, do you know what happens when network/options and sysctl.conf have conflicting values? which wins? |
| 20:09.14 | troytroy | intruded: let me do bit of googling |
| 20:09.15 | Deepa|AFK | well actually, now i cant even ping the computer |
| 20:09.20 | Bhavesh | Deepa|AFK: start from scratch :) tell me if i am right, you have two computers, one router, one switch? |
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| 20:09.31 | Deepa|AFK | i got 1 normal router... netgear |
| 20:09.35 | intruded | troytroy: finally i dont think it supports poe |
| 20:09.41 | Deepa|AFK | and i got TOASTER connected to the router |
| 20:09.46 | Deepa|AFK | TOASTER has 2 network cards ETH0 and ETH1 |
| 20:09.50 | Deepa|AFK | ETH0 is connected to the router |
| 20:09.55 | Deepa|AFK | and ETH1 is connected to my second PC |
| 20:10.00 | Bhavesh | that's what i thought |
| 20:10.03 | asg | stew: probably the last one wins. I haven't tested so I don't know for sure. |
| 20:10.12 | bitmvnch | okay, guys, so, seriously. i have a debian machine, and if i, say, run "apt-get install vim", it will ask me to reconfigure postgresql again. is there something i can do to bypass this/ |
| 20:10.13 | bitmvnch | ? |
| 20:10.15 | Deepa|AFK | i want my second PC to have internet :) |
| 20:10.23 | stew | asg: yeah, last one wins, i guess i was wondering which was last |
| 20:10.24 | bofh80 | asg, does the change require a reboot |
| 20:10.35 | Bhavesh | Deepa|AFK: i am assuming getting a cheap 5 port switch is out of the question to make things easier? |
| 20:10.37 | stew | bofh80: "sysctl -p" |
| 20:10.39 | bitmvnch | Deepa: woah that's a crazy config lol |
| 20:10.44 | Deepa|AFK | well i cant afford one |
| 20:10.44 | bitmvnch | daisy chaining |
| 20:10.45 | asg | bofh80: no, just run sysctl -p |
| 20:10.46 | Deepa|AFK | bitmvnch: indeed :D |
| 20:10.49 | Deepa|AFK | but it used to work :) |
| 20:11.02 | Deepa|AFK | Bhavesh: and in 4 weeks i get the wireless router |
| 20:11.04 | Deepa|AFK | thats going to solve the problem |
| 20:11.06 | Bhavesh | router's internet ip is 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:11.09 | Deepa|AFK | yep |
| 20:11.12 | intruded | Deepa|AFK: why dont you plug your second pc in your router just like the first one |
| 20:11.19 | Deepa|AFK | intruded: 4 ports, 6 devices |
| 20:11.23 | Bhavesh | so you connect ETH0 of the first ( firewall computer) let's call it, to 192.168.0.x |
| 20:11.27 | bofh80 | asg stew thanks lol :) i need to look this sysctl thing up now, i've only been using linux off and on for 5 years or so , haven't heard of it :P |
| 20:11.28 | bitmvnch | okay let's take it from the top. eth0 should be dhcp, and eth1 should be static, and have the same first three numbers as your second PC. the fourth number should be different. |
| 20:11.34 | intruded | ok |
| 20:11.39 | go_od_d_ay | i have given user ALL=(ALL) ALL in /etc/sudoers but still when i run sudo ifconfig from user "user" it asks me for the password. how to get rid of it please |
| 20:11.39 | Deepa|AFK | ETH0 is connected at 192.168.0.4 at the moment |
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| 20:11.49 | intruded | go_od_d_ay: lol |
| 20:11.56 | intruded | go_od_d_ay: you wont |
| 20:12.08 | Bhavesh | bitmvnch: why not make both nic static? |
| 20:12.10 | bofh80 | Deepa, really, u can't afford an 8 port switch. lmao. sorry it's not funny if your poor. cos i am :P |
| 20:12.16 | troytroy | btw whats the price of home solution switch or hub this days? |
| 20:12.22 | Deepa|AFK | bofh80: still, im going to get a wireless router :) |
| 20:12.25 | Deepa|AFK | that will solve everything |
| 20:12.27 | Deepa|AFK | but in the meantime |
| 20:12.31 | bitmvnch | Bhavesh: ah, i guess that would work fine. i forget that deepa is plugging into a router and not directly into the 'net. |
| 20:12.31 | stew | asg: S40entworking would overwrite S30procps.sh it looks like |
| 20:12.34 | bitmvnch | yeah, both static is fine. |
| 20:12.36 | bofh80 | Deepa, HAHAHAHAHAH LAMO have you tried wireless in linux |
| 20:12.42 | go_od_d_ay | intruded : any idea so that it wont ask me for password again |
| 20:12.44 | intruded | go_od_d_ay: thats that reason why a virus or any other crap you can find on the internet cant install itself system-wide on your computer |
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| 20:12.56 | Bhavesh | bitmvnch: i think having 192.168.0.3 on ETH0 and 192.168.1.1 on ETH1 |
| 20:12.59 | bitmvnch | and okay, yeah, the netgear router and the main pc eth0 should be on 192.168.0.x and eth1 / pc#2 should be on 192.168.1.x |
| 20:13.00 | bofh80 | Deepa, it's like going back to the darkages of slackware |
| 20:13.01 | bitmvnch | that is sensible |
| 20:13.10 | bitmvnch | in this .. crazy .. config |
| 20:13.10 | intruded | go_od_d_ay: i cant have any idea, because asking you your password is what it should do |
| 20:13.13 | Bhavesh | and then enable ipmasq on first ( this sounds like it is being used as firewall) |
| 20:13.23 | Deepa|AFK | bitmvnch: i GOT a old hub |
| 20:13.26 | Deepa|AFK | 10mbt, slow as hell |
| 20:13.28 | Deepa|AFK | 16 ports |
| 20:13.29 | bofh80 | Deepa, and so you don't go crazy. REALLY honestly. check that you get VERY compatible hardware for wireless cards. |
| 20:13.29 | bitmvnch | why doncha use it? |
| 20:13.30 | bitmvnch | but |
| 20:13.35 | bitmvnch | you only need to go to the internet |
| 20:13.36 | Deepa|AFK | screws up EVERYTHING |
| 20:13.38 | bitmvnch | so who cares? ;d |
| 20:13.38 | Bhavesh | if she was in USA i wold send her a 5 port swtich i picked it up for free :) |
| 20:13.42 | bofh80 | LOL |
| 20:13.42 | bitmvnch | lol |
| 20:13.43 | Deepa|AFK | bofh80: i *KNOW* the hardware will work :) |
| 20:13.47 | bitmvnch | yeah i think i may have a 100mbit hub here |
| 20:14.00 | go_od_d_ay | intruded : can i pass the password in the command line only as one of the parameter is it possible please |
| 20:14.01 | bitmvnch | maybe even a switch, not sure. |
| 20:14.03 | intruded | bofh80: i had absolutely nothing to do to make the wifi nic work |
| 20:14.12 | Deepa|AFK | Bhavesh: well i can set it up so that TOASTER has ETH1 on 192.168.1.1 and i got network |
| 20:14.14 | stew | asg: ahh, but in options, "no" is a noop |
| 20:14.16 | Deepa|AFK | but no internet |
| 20:14.20 | intruded | go_od_d_ay: this is also insecure |
| 20:14.22 | jelly-home | go_od_d_ay: look up NOPASSWD in the manual if you really need it. |
| 20:14.25 | bofh80 | intruded, then pray you never have to |
| 20:14.39 | Bhavesh | Deepa|AFK: there is a bit more to do |
| 20:14.43 | intruded | go_od_d_ay: why dont you type in your password |
| 20:14.47 | troytroy | intruded: http://www.sveasoft.com/articles/armored/ |
| 20:14.54 | Deepa|AFK | Bhavesh: so i guessed, but the setup is at the gateway (TOASTER) right? |
| 20:15.23 | Bhavesh | yes |
| 20:15.23 | Bhavesh | TOaster is gateway |
| 20:15.23 | go_od_d_ay | actually i am running ifconfig command from the apache with is running on www-data user and it dont have enough permission so i am using sudo. |
| 20:15.28 | bofh80 | Deepa, i can understand why you were told to use differnet subnets |
| 20:15.31 | sjr | Okay guys I have two machines that can't talk to eachother so i want to connect them to a third and tunnel a port |
| 20:15.34 | sjr | so on one machine I go |
| 20:15.37 | bofh80 | HAHAHAHHAA |
| 20:15.44 | bofh80 | what is it with networking today |
| 20:15.49 | sjr | ssh -N -L 3306:localhost:3308 target.com |
| 20:15.51 | sjr | on the other I go |
| 20:15.52 | Bhavesh | the moon |
| 20:15.59 | Bhavesh | is in the wrong something something :) |
| 20:16.04 | Deepa|AFK | Bhavesh: well :>? |
| 20:16.13 | Deepa|AFK | ive set it up as the 'working' 192.168.1.X atm |
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| 20:16.15 | Bhavesh | Deepa|AFK: now the second computer assign IP in the range of 192.168.1.X |
| 20:16.15 | sjr | ssh -N -R 3308:localhost:3306 |
| 20:16.22 | Deepa|AFK | already done, 192.168.1.2 |
| 20:16.25 | sjr | but on the first one I keeep getting cannot bind to address. |
| 20:16.31 | Bhavesh | and also use default gateway to be 192.168.1.1 |
| 20:16.32 | go_od_d_ay | intruded : any other idea how can i achieve that |
| 20:16.38 | Deepa|AFK | already done |
| 20:16.53 | intruded | go_od_d_ay: when you move to a directory which has other permissions, its not like you are under the same permissions |
| 20:17.00 | intruded | your still yourself |
| 20:17.03 | Bhavesh | you SHOULD be able to ping toaster from second computer |
| 20:17.06 | Bhavesh | wait |
| 20:17.13 | Deepa|AFK | i can do that |
| 20:17.15 | intruded | go_od_d_ay: why do you want to do that |
| 20:17.18 | intruded | this is stupid |
| 20:17.23 | Deepa|AFK | i got a fully working connection between the computers |
| 20:17.25 | bofh80 | why does everyone always insist on having 192.186.1 or .0. there are 252 other numbers to choose from you know. VPN's all the time being unstable because of the IP's on other networks. lol |
| 20:17.34 | intruded | plus your running a web server |
| 20:17.38 | intruded | dont mess with security |
| 20:17.39 | Bhavesh | now on the toaster you have to enable ip_forwarding |
| 20:17.44 | intruded | type in your password and thats all |
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| 20:18.13 | stew | toasters are for burning bread, not forwarding packets |
| 20:18.14 | go_od_d_ay | intruded : yes but my sir wants it to be done automatically.. with out knowing to the user.. |
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| 20:18.28 | Deepa|AFK | stew: coincidentically, my new computer is called TOASTMASTER4800 |
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| 20:18.45 | Deepa|AFK | Bhavesh: and HOW do i do that :D? |
| 20:18.49 | intruded | go_od_d_ay: do it as root |
| 20:18.50 | jdv79 | one question - how does one get the list of files in a debian pkg? |
| 20:19.02 | jdv79 | we can't figure it out:( |
| 20:19.04 | asg | jdv79: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 20:19.05 | intruded | intruded: in a cron job that will emails the results |
| 20:19.10 | jdv79 | thanks |
| 20:19.17 | Bhavesh | working on it :) |
| 20:19.24 | bofh80 | Deepa, sudo nano /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 20:19.31 | Deepa|AFK | i got root access |
| 20:19.45 | bofh80 | well just nano /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 20:19.49 | Deepa|AFK | okies |
| 20:19.51 | bofh80 | Deepa, uncomment the line |
| 20:19.58 | roadfish | what Debian package should I get to encode vob into XviD? |
| 20:20.00 | troytroy | intruded: did u take a look at the link |
| 20:20.02 | bofh80 | Deepa, you should see it |
| 20:20.05 | Deepa|AFK | bofh80: 'which' line :>? |
| 20:20.09 | intruded | troytroy: yep |
| 20:20.12 | Deepa|AFK | packet forwarding? |
| 20:20.14 | bofh80 | Deepa, the ip FORWARD on |
| 20:20.20 | bofh80 | Deepa, IP FORWARDING |
| 20:20.23 | troytroy | intruded: lets give it a shot :) |
| 20:20.27 | Deepa | nope, has no such line |
| 20:20.45 | jdv79 | thanks |
| 20:20.47 | bofh80 | Deepa, oops yup thats the line |
| 20:20.55 | Deepa | heh |
| 20:21.02 | Bhavesh | #net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 |
| 20:21.03 | Deepa | ipv4 AND ipv6 or just ipv4? |
| 20:21.05 | Bhavesh | that line? |
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| 20:21.19 | WorldBFree | asg: after i change the fstab how do i implement the changes? |
| 20:21.20 | Deepa | well its uncommented now |
| 20:21.23 | bofh80 | Deepa, then run sysctl -p |
| 20:21.28 | intruded | troytroy: thats nothing new no ? |
| 20:21.38 | Deepa | it printed the line with a 1 after it |
| 20:21.45 | intruded | go_od_d_ay: in a cron job that will email the results |
| 20:21.52 | bofh80 | Deepa, yup that's the job, you can thank stew and asg for that info :) |
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| 20:22.13 | Deepa | thanks stew, asg, bofh80, wols and Bhavesh :) |
| 20:22.13 | Bhavesh | i would thank them too i did not know :) |
| 20:22.20 | Bhavesh | now one more thing |
| 20:22.30 | Bhavesh | don't she has to setup the forwarding rule in iptables? |
| 20:22.46 | bofh80 | no idea, i don't bother with a firewall heheheheh |
| 20:22.49 | Deepa | YIKES!... iptables is scary |
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| 20:23.02 | Deepa | i only use it to forward a port since i got DMZ to TOASTER |
| 20:23.10 | troytroy | Deepa: take a look at this http://sneex.pastebin.ca/179007 |
| 20:23.34 | Bhavesh | i used ipmasq i have a 4 line ipchains script that opens up firewall wide for outgoing traffic |
| 20:23.49 | troytroy | cat it into a file eg: proxy.sh |
| 20:23.54 | Bhavesh | s/ipmasq/ipchains |
| 20:24.01 | troytroy | Deepa: cat it into a file eg: proxy.sh |
| 20:24.33 | troytroy | Deepa: then "chmod 755 proxy.sh" |
| 20:24.40 | Deepa | well i dont know how to save it |
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| 20:25.19 | Deepa | cant i use ipmasq as someone suggested? |
| 20:25.36 | Bhavesh | i meant ipchains |
| 20:25.42 | Deepa | ow |
| 20:25.58 | troytroy | Deepa: this is easier if u just want to enable internet access |
| 20:26.00 | shpond | hello |
| 20:26.00 | Joenin | sup |
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| 20:26.54 | FarrisG | Anyone know of an easy tool or method for taking a bunch of table structures from a flat file and creating empty MySQL tables? |
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| 20:27.06 | Deepa|AFK | now paste that link again |
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| 20:27.41 | klork | petemc, so shd i switch to 2.6.16? |
| 20:27.42 | troytroy | Deepa: http://sneex.pastebin.ca/179007 |
| 20:27.48 | Deepa|AFK | thank you |
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| 20:27.54 | petemc | klork: yeah |
| 20:28.12 | klork | oks, thanks |
| 20:28.24 | klork | will bugreport! |
| 20:28.25 | Deepa|AFK | ow darn, i cant copy it easily |
| 20:28.35 | petemc | klork: its a known issue |
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| 20:29.00 | klork | petemc, yeah okey |
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| 20:32.22 | Bhavesh | Deepa|AFK: making progress? |
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| 20:33.15 | Deepa|AFK | yep |
| 20:33.26 | Deepa|AFK | just finished |
| 20:33.30 | Deepa|AFK | now ive copied the whole script |
| 20:33.35 | Deepa|AFK | and named it proxy.sh |
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| 20:34.27 | Deepa|AFK | whoa |
| 20:34.28 | troytroy | Deepa: "chmod 755 proxy.sh" |
| 20:34.31 | Deepa|AFK | i got access to 192.168.0.4 |
| 20:34.47 | troytroy | :) |
| 20:34.47 | Deepa|AFK | wonder if i can reach the router too |
| 20:34.55 | Deepa|AFK | aaw, i couldnt |
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| 20:35.08 | Deepa|AFK | ok finished chmodding |
| 20:35.26 | troytroy | where is ur script loacated? |
| 20:35.37 | Deepa|AFK | well atm at /home/deepa/proxy.sh |
| 20:35.47 | cafe_roy | cd .. |
| 20:36.02 | mandingo | shit |
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| 20:36.06 | troytroy | Deepa: /etc/init.d/proxy.sh |
| 20:36.13 | Deepa|AFK | okies |
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| 20:36.33 | Deepa|AFK | *done* |
| 20:36.48 | troytroy | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 20:36.56 | Deepa|AFK | but wont that fish with eth0 too? |
| 20:37.07 | troytroy | then /etc/init.d/proxy.sh |
| 20:37.40 | Deepa|AFK | unresolved symbols |
| 20:37.50 | Deepa|AFK | yay internet works :D |
| 20:37.50 | Deepa|AFK | ty |
| 20:38.15 | troytroy | np |
| 20:39.14 | troytroy | Deepa: cool but it sucks cos u need to run /etc/init.d/proxy.sh each time u restart box |
| 20:39.45 | Deepa|AFK | what about something like crontab? |
| 20:40.03 | troytroy | Deepa: ? |
| 20:40.46 | Deepa|AFK | well isnt there a way to add it so that everytime the computer starts it does a sh /etc/init.d/proxy.sh? |
| 20:40.59 | Bhavesh | how about rc.local or something? |
| 20:41.05 | stew | Deepa|AFK: update-rc.d proxy.sh defaults |
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| 20:41.17 | stew | Bhavesh: there is no rc.local on debian |
| 20:41.30 | Guerin | !rc.local |
| 20:41.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 20:41.44 | troytroy | Deepa: actualy there is |
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| 20:41.57 | Deepa|AFK | funny enough, the WINXP x64 sound drivers, are ONLY working a x86 |
| 20:41.57 | Bhavesh | stew: sorry lost my mind for a min :) |
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| 20:42.33 | Deepa|AFK | troytroy: but im lazy, i wont forget to run it when the computer restarts XD |
| 20:42.56 | Bhavesh | leave it on then :) |
| 20:43.01 | wobster | Hi everyone. Does it have any particular reason why lo is excluded in the init.d/networking script? |
| 20:43.08 | troytroy | Deepa|AFK: take a look at what stew suggested |
| 20:43.40 | stew | wobster: what do you mean exactly? lo isn't brought up by default for you? |
| 20:43.59 | stew | wobster: do you have "auto lo" somewhere in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:44.29 | troytroy | Deepa|AFK: dont forget to modify it for good old security sake |
| 20:44.47 | Deepa|AFK | heh, i did and i know |
| 20:44.55 | Deepa|AFK | but im updating my computer atm :D |
| 20:44.59 | Bhavesh | you know what I realized? |
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| 20:45.09 | Bhavesh | helping someone helps you learn too |
| 20:45.11 | abrotman | cydork: wine! .. or hefeweizen! |
| 20:45.31 | wobster | stew, it's up. It's more a problem that it doesn't get down because I wired some iptables removements with the lo because I'd like to do that really if only if there's no device left. I guess I have to rethink my strategy if it is important for some reason that lo stays up. |
| 20:45.36 | troytroy | Bhavesh: i wish that was true for me |
| 20:45.47 | cydork | abrotman, na i hate wine but hefeweizen will do :P |
| 20:45.55 | abrotman | wobster: many things work over "lo" .. |
| 20:45.58 | Bhavesh | troytroy: well sometimes you have to talk to someone who knows more thanyou do to learn and it's true in my case :) |
| 20:46.18 | abrotman | wobster: however .. in your /etc/network/interfaces file .. there should be an 'auto lo' line |
| 20:46.23 | stew | wobster: you really want lo to be up. i don't know what a "removement with the lo" is however |
| 20:46.33 | wobster | abrotman, of course. |
| 20:46.38 | wobster | lo IS up |
| 20:46.44 | abrotman | wobster: you want it gone? |
| 20:46.57 | wobster | stew, I flush some iptable chains there. |
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| 20:48.08 | wobster | at least I want the chains flushed when both of the networks connected to that machine went down. and lo is usually the last thing going down. and it's the first thing getting up. so I thought it was a good idea to make lo up/down trigger the commands. |
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| 20:49.37 | omry | looking for a script that will let me easily configure basic firewall rules (allow all outgoing, block all incoming except some ports), any suggestions? |
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| 20:49.45 | Guerin | wobster: run your iptables scripts as 'up' or 'down' commands |
| 20:49.56 | Guerin | omry: aptitude install ipmasq |
| 20:50.01 | wobster | Guerin, I have them in ip-up/down.d. yes |
| 20:50.06 | omry | Guerin, thanks |
| 20:50.07 | cydork | omry, shorewall |
| 20:50.07 | stew | pre-up or down |
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| 20:51.05 | Guerin | shorewall is overkill |
| 20:51.12 | Guerin | it's easier to just learn iptables |
| 20:51.25 | pickcoder | hrm.. I'm having a sender verify callout issue with postfix |
| 20:52.06 | pickcoder | yet postfix shows no RCPT TO back to me is taking place |
| 20:52.11 | cydork | Guerin, it's has some preety simple examples, you can set it up in no time |
| 20:52.31 | troytroy | anybody running asteriks |
| 20:52.36 | Guerin | cydork: i couldn't. I find that anything simple is simple, but anything they haven't already thought of just doesn't work. |
| 20:52.47 | Guerin | cydork: in other words: the config files aren't the end of the story. |
| 20:53.52 | cydork | Guerin, hehh i used it for my sarge nat box no problelms what so ever. |
| 20:54.07 | Guerin | cydork: i just wrote my own simple iptables script |
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| 20:55.09 | cydork | Guerin, i always forget iptables and have to learn again. coz my last nat box is still running. :) |
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| 20:57.29 | Bhavesh | i never learned iptables, i went to this website punched in all the information and it created an ipchains script for me |
| 20:57.50 | Bhavesh | and now i replaced my firewall with a linksys router |
| 20:58.37 | stew | Bhavesh: moving from ipchains to iptables is simple, and the benefits are great |
| 20:58.59 | Bhavesh | stew: i heard about it.. but i retired my firewall last year when i replaced it with a linksys router :) |
| 20:59.05 | Bhavesh | that i picked up for $40 |
| 20:59.09 | raf256 | how to download an edonkey link? like ed2k://|file|LepperTVN24.mp3|1511863|4F234E94F954BC367FE82BD9C7B84C6D|h=IWB6RUKVWC5CVXJEKXMPAVUSDUIAWAO7|/ |
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| 21:03.49 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: reload |
| 21:03.50 | dpkg | reloading... |
| 21:03.50 | dpkg | reloaded: IrcHelpers.pl |
| 21:03.51 | MatBoy | cydork, :) |
| 21:03.57 | dondelelcaro | !sarge->etch |
| 21:03.57 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
| 21:04.12 | MatBoy | !hug cydork |
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| 21:04.41 | danieldg | is there any information on xorg 7.1? I've noticed that's staring to come into unstable; is there a progress or something for it? |
| 21:05.13 | dig | what is the best way to get php5 for sarge? |
| 21:05.28 | Guerin | dig: backports.org |
| 21:05.34 | cydork | !lart MatBoy |
| 21:05.35 | dig | has anyone tried them |
| 21:05.38 | Guerin | dig: overall, the best way is 'don't' |
| 21:05.44 | troytroy | !hug troytroy |
| 21:05.51 | cydork | dig, many people .. |
| 21:05.56 | luke-jr_work | if DHCP changes an interface's IP, does if-up.d get run? |
| 21:05.58 | dig | yeah Guerin, |
| 21:06.14 | MatBoy | !kick cydork |
| 21:06.30 | MatBoy | !slam cydork |
| 21:06.41 | troytroy | hehe |
| 21:06.41 | MatBoy | huh ? |
| 21:06.43 | Guerin | MatBoy: stop being a fucktard |
| 21:06.58 | MatBoy | Guerin, OK, no beer for you anymore :) |
| 21:07.14 | Guerin | MatBoy: it's 0907, i don't need beer for at least another hour yet |
| 21:07.22 | troytroy | really enjoyed hanging around on the channel |
| 21:07.26 | MatBoy | Guerin, it's 23:00 here :D |
| 21:07.33 | MatBoy | ok, 23:07 ;) |
| 21:07.34 | dig | I have done it with the http://dotdeb.org/ archives |
| 21:07.39 | dig | 23:06 |
| 21:07.46 | MatBoy | dig, shutup :P |
| 21:07.48 | stew | dig: don't use dotdeb, use backports |
| 21:07.53 | dig | eh ehe |
| 21:07.55 | cydork | MatBoy, wtf? |
| 21:07.55 | MatBoy | dig, never heard of NTP_servers ?? :P |
| 21:08.05 | RichiH | who is running unstable and tried out x.org 7.1, already? |
| 21:08.14 | MatBoy | cydork, damn... why do you always talk about fucking ? :P |
| 21:08.18 | stew | RichiH: asg, but with vesa |
| 21:08.32 | stew | !tell RichiH about anyone use |
| 21:08.35 | stew | :P |
| 21:08.43 | troytroy | i came with troubles and hate for debian but am leaving with enlightment althoug troubles not all solved :) |
| 21:08.48 | MatBoy | RichiH, what is your problem with xorg ? |
| 21:08.49 | RichiH | stew: heh |
| 21:08.52 | cydork | MatBoy, grow up :) |
| 21:08.57 | dig | okay just don't have this bloody windows box listen to ntp |
| 21:09.05 | MatBoy | cydork, OK... we can go to such a lesson together :p |
| 21:09.11 | dig | listen to cydork MatBoy |
| 21:09.15 | RichiH | MatBoy: nothing. i just do no want to break my X :) |
| 21:09.31 | RichiH | as the package just moved into unstable from experimental, i thought i'd ask |
| 21:09.33 | MatBoy | RichiH, why should you brake it ? |
| 21:09.42 | RichiH | MatBoy: cause it's too fast |
| 21:09.43 | stew | RichiH: which driver do you use? |
| 21:09.49 | MatBoy | unstable = experimental ? |
| 21:09.55 | stew | MatBoy: false |
| 21:10.00 | cydork | MatBoy, nope |
| 21:10.04 | RichiH | stew: the free ati ones |
| 21:10.09 | MatBoy | ow... are tehre 4 version than ? |
| 21:10.12 | MatBoy | there |
| 21:10.14 | RichiH | no |
| 21:10.19 | stew | RichiH: your chances with a free driver are much much better than with a non-free one |
| 21:10.23 | RichiH | experimental is a diff set for unstable |
| 21:10.28 | MatBoy | stable (sarge), testing(etch), unstable(sid) |
| 21:10.31 | MatBoy | ah so |
| 21:10.32 | stew | RichiH: i don't attempt such things until friday night or saturday |
| 21:10.33 | MatBoy | OK :) |
| 21:10.39 | danieldg | dpkg: experimental |
| 21:10.39 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 21:10.44 | RichiH | stew: yes, of course |
| 21:11.01 | RichiH | stew: well, i am thinking of just waiting a week |
| 21:11.11 | RichiH | but i want to see the new stuff, too ;) |
| 21:11.13 | MatBoy | ok, but why would we support Sid here than ? |
| 21:11.20 | stew | hmm, i do have this laptop sitting here looking pretty |
| 21:11.40 | MatBoy | stew, I have never seen a lptop sitting |
| 21:11.51 | danieldg | MatBoy: because sid is where stuff is supposed to get fixed before going into testing? |
| 21:12.06 | troytroy | ok goodnight folks :) |
| 21:12.07 | RichiH | stew: oh, you are running it? |
| 21:12.13 | MatBoy | danieldg, yeah, but testing also has some bugs sometimes :) |
| 21:12.27 | danieldg | of course... |
| 21:12.31 | MatBoy | RichiH, the laptop is sitting, not running |
| 21:12.50 | stew | RichiH: no, i was thihking that i have a machine here that i could test 7.1 on, since its not doing anything |
| 21:12.52 | RichiH | MatBoy: why would i brake it, then? |
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| 21:13.05 | RichiH | stew: oh, ok |
| 21:13.13 | MatBoy | RichiH, I don;t really know what you problem is |
| 21:13.22 | MatBoy | you want to upgrade and don;t want to upgrade xorg ? |
| 21:13.38 | RichiH | MatBoy: i want to find out if i should upgrade right now or wait |
| 21:13.56 | MatBoy | RichiH, when running SID ? |
| 21:14.32 | MatBoy | RichiH, run Testing ;) |
| 21:14.35 | danieldg | MatBoy: there's nothing wrong with running sid... |
| 21:14.56 | MatBoy | danieldg, when you want some stability... there is |
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| 21:15.02 | danieldg | that's why you ask questions before upgrading something critical |
| 21:15.04 | RichiH | MatBoy: i think i can decided for myself what i want to run, but thanks ;) |
| 21:15.21 | danieldg | or just wait till it goes down to testing... |
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| 21:15.38 | MatBoy | RichiH, do you run servers without raid with old HD's ? |
| 21:15.45 | MatBoy | it's the same... russian roulette |
| 21:16.32 | danieldg | I don't think you can compare 100% data loss to the problems you could get from unstable |
| 21:16.40 | Bhavesh | bbl |
| 21:16.46 | RichiH | MatBoy: as i said, i think i am qualified to both decide what i want to run and to fix it when i break it |
| 21:17.01 | MatBoy | danieldg, it can brake a whole system... so count your profit :) |
| 21:17.17 | MatBoy | RichiH, don;t ask the question than |
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| 21:17.29 | danieldg | MatBoy: but then the system is fixable... versus HD failure you're usually SOL |
| 21:17.32 | MatBoy | RichiH, we are useless to you if you are better than the channel :) |
| 21:17.36 | abrotman | RichiH: you're hardly qualified .. you're german! :) |
| 21:17.46 | RichiH | MatBoy: i think you are missing the point completely |
| 21:17.48 | RichiH | abrotman: true that |
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| 21:18.01 | MatBoy | danieldg, you can always recover data, no problem.... costs money and some time |
| 21:18.04 | abrotman | MatBoy: without going too far over the edge . i'd say RichiH is competent to do what he pleases |
| 21:18.07 | RichiH | abrotman: i should switch to debian kraut |
| 21:18.10 | MatBoy | time is moeny, so how faster, more expensive |
| 21:18.11 | RichiH | abrotman: i hear it's stable |
| 21:18.20 | abrotman | RichiH: while eating .. yes :) |
| 21:18.23 | RichiH | abrotman: k. get naked, then |
| 21:18.30 | MatBoy | abrotman, I don;t why he has to ask than |
| 21:18.30 | abrotman | RichiH: umbrella hat? |
| 21:18.31 | danieldg | MatBoy: that's only true if you have backups, otherwise not all data is recoverable |
| 21:18.38 | RichiH | abrotman: whatever you want, baba |
| 21:18.41 | RichiH | baby |
| 21:18.48 | MatBoy | danieldg, most of the time the platters are fine |
| 21:18.51 | abrotman | RichiH: you've not seen the picture? |
| 21:18.57 | danieldg | MatBoy: I suppose that's true |
| 21:18.59 | abrotman | MatBoy: he's asking if people have tried it |
| 21:19.06 | abrotman | RichiH: Wyzard tried it last night |
| 21:19.25 | RichiH | abrotman: which pic? |
| 21:19.31 | abrotman | RichiH: of the umbrella hat |
| 21:19.39 | RichiH | abrotman: nope |
| 21:19.51 | abrotman | RichiH: /msg coming |
| 21:19.53 | MatBoy | abrotman, but what does that matter when he can fix it when it brakes ? It does not matter because the target is the same... it will work... with fxing or with direct working :) |
| 21:20.00 | abrotman | RichiH: it was a gift from damog |
| 21:20.05 | MatBoy | danieldg, indeed.. so you can recover :) |
| 21:20.09 | abrotman | MatBoy: breaks |
| 21:20.16 | MatBoy | abrotman, thanks :) |
| 21:20.17 | RichiH | abrotman: he must hate you |
| 21:20.22 | RichiH | a lot |
| 21:20.25 | sjr | Anyone know where I can get help with pppd like advanced help |
| 21:20.29 | abrotman | MatBoy: how about .. the level of difficulty involved in making it work correctly |
| 21:20.32 | MatBoy | I'm working on 4 screens... so typing here, and reading somewhere else :P |
| 21:20.32 | abrotman | RichiH: hehe :) |
| 21:20.38 | sjr | basically I have a script that executes pppd call script and tat fails with no carrier |
| 21:20.41 | sjr | If I then run pppd call script |
| 21:20.44 | sjr | I get an answer |
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| 21:21.23 | daniele_athome | hello |
| 21:21.25 | MatBoy | RichiH, if you are talking to me... don't try to push people against me... I hate that and will sooner hate you than abrotman ;) |
| 21:21.37 | daniele_athome | I can't mount a fat filesystem with the usrquota option |
| 21:21.41 | daniele_athome | FAT: Unrecognized mount option "usrquota" or missing value |
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| 21:21.53 | RichiH | MatBoy: i was not, as should be evident from context |
| 21:21.55 | daniele_athome | how can I solve this? |
| 21:22.02 | MatBoy | RichiH, OK :) |
| 21:22.14 | RichiH | daniele_athome: i think fat can not do quotas |
| 21:22.16 | MatBoy | fine by me :) I'm a always willing to help guy when needed ;) |
| 21:22.34 | danieldg | so anyway... xorg 7.1 is in some condition between not working and working. Is there a way to tell when other packages that conflict with it are going to be updated? |
| 21:22.37 | MatBoy | RichiH, but running already ? |
| 21:23.08 | RichiH | danieldg: only by asking the devs or checking regularly |
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| 21:23.34 | danieldg | ok, that's what I thought... I'll just watch, since I don't need to upgrade in any hurry |
| 21:23.38 | RichiH | danieldg: a dist-upgrade would not remove anything, at least |
| 21:23.54 | daniele_athome | :( |
| 21:24.00 | danieldg | I use aptitude anyway, so I can just forbid the new version(s) |
| 21:24.46 | stew | !info xorg unstable |
| 21:24.52 | stew | what is the key package? |
| 21:24.55 | dpkg | xorg: (X.Org X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 21:24.59 | danieldg | xserver-xorg |
| 21:25.11 | stew | wierd, my mirror is still at 7.0 i guess |
| 21:25.23 | danieldg | I think it went in yesterday... |
| 21:25.33 | stew | todya |
| 21:26.00 | danieldg | well, less than 24 hours ago, but yesterday to me :) |
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| 21:26.35 | danieldg | packages.debian.org is half-updated |
| 21:26.53 | RichiH | danieldg: i can use pinning with apt-get, too ;) |
| 21:27.02 | RichiH | danieldg: yes, on the 20th |
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| 21:28.52 | stew | RichiH: i can't find a mirror that has it |
| 21:28.57 | abrotman | RichiH: you're note comptentent! |
| 21:29.04 | abrotman | MatBoy: you don't hate me .. |
| 21:29.06 | stew | RichiH: tried mirrors.kernel.org ftp.us ftp.debian.org and uchicago.edu |
| 21:29.12 | stew | i give up |
| 21:29.18 | abrotman | find what? |
| 21:29.22 | danieldg | stew: I think I found it on mirrors.kernel.org... |
| 21:29.23 | stew | a mirror with 7.1 |
| 21:29.32 | abrotman | stew: they didn't sync yet did they? |
| 21:29.34 | Joui | Hi, I have one public ip on one ethernet and it works fine, now I have obtain another public IP, what is the way to have two public ip's with only one ethernet? |
| 21:30.32 | abrotman | !katie |
| 21:30.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, katie is who I seek to emulate, or the daemon in the Debian archive system that processes new packages and inserts them into the archive. It runs at 1952 UTC daily. the women.kde.org mascot, or 166.82.1.7, or history |
| 21:30.33 | abrotman | !time |
| 21:30.33 | dpkg | somebody said time was found on http://www.time.com/, or 2006.09.21 21:29:43, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here! |
| 21:30.33 | stew | hrm |
| 21:30.33 | abrotman | maybe maybe not |
| 21:30.33 | abrotman | if they went in today .. they may not all have it |
| 21:30.33 | Joui | any idea= |
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| 21:30.33 | Guerin | Joui: virtual interfaces |
| 21:30.33 | Joui | ? |
| 21:30.33 | RichiH | stew: ftp.de2 has |
| 21:30.34 | stew | nevermind me |
| 21:30.34 | Joui | how? |
| 21:30.34 | Guerin | Joui: read man interfaces |
| 21:30.34 | Joui | okey thanks |
| 21:30.34 | abrotman | stew: find it ? |
| 21:30.34 | stew | !depends xorg |
| 21:30.34 | RichiH | stew: and put fpt.debian.org into your sources.list at the last place |
| 21:30.34 | dpkg | xorg: depends on xserver-xorg, libgl1-mesa-glx, libgl1-mesa-dri, libglu1-mesa, xfonts-base (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xfonts-100dpi (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xfonts-75dpi (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xfonts-scalable (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xbase-clients (>= 1:1.0.1-1), xutils (>= 1:1.0.1-1), xkb-data, xterm | x-terminal-emulator |
| 21:30.35 | stew | i was expecting a versioned depends there |
| 21:30.35 | cydork | !tell Joui about ipalias |
| 21:30.35 | RichiH | stew: that way, you will always have it as fallback |
| 21:30.59 | RichiH | abrotman: 'note'?heh |
| 21:30.59 | Joui | thanks :) |
| 21:30.59 | abrotman | RichiH: note ? |
| 21:30.59 | RichiH | 23:28:56 < abrotman> RichiH: you're note comptentent! |
| 21:33.02 | abrotman | stew: unless experimental now points to the pool .. it's in ftp.debian.org |
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| 21:33.51 | cydork | whoo netsplit.. |
| 21:33.51 | hjubal | bye |
| 21:33.52 | stew | abrotman: i'm still trying to figure out this package manager thingy aparntly, ignore me |
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| 21:34.36 | cydork | stew, package manager thingy? |
| 21:34.58 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 21:35.00 | stew | yeah |
| 21:35.09 | pickcoder | I just ran update on Sarge and it installed Apache2 with Apache |
| 21:35.54 | pickcoder | rnow my configs are all screwed up |
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| 21:37.50 | pickcoder | that happened before on me |
| 21:38.09 | pickcoder | I had apache 1.3 installed, ran update and magically apache2 was installed over apache - without removing 1.3 first |
| 21:38.22 | pickcoder | it even tried to start both |
| 21:38.54 | pickcoder | I would have expected apache2 to include apache as a conflict |
| 21:38.54 | abrotman | stew: ok |
| 21:39.36 | jelly-home | pickcoder: you can actually run 1.3 along with 2, just on diff. ports or diff. interfraces. |
| 21:40.12 | pickcoder | I know, but it shouldn't have upgraded me to apache2 |
| 21:40.17 | pickcoder | I didn't have it installed to start with |
| 21:40.21 | pickcoder | I had apache 1.3 installed |
| 21:40.41 | pickcoder | if it did upgrade to 2, it should have removed 1.3 and migrated the configs |
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| 21:41.08 | stew | pickcoder: there is no reason to remove apache1 just becuase you are installing apache2 |
| 21:41.21 | pickcoder | I didn't install apache2! |
| 21:41.26 | pickcoder | I just ran apt-get upgrade |
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| 21:41.48 | stew | pickcoder: apt-get upgrade CANNOT install packages which were not installed previously. never. |
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| 21:42.02 | stew | pickcoder: (nor can it remove packages) |
| 21:42.36 | abrotman | something else you installed depended on apache2 |
| 21:43.03 | pickcoder | hold on |
| 21:43.08 | pickcoder | I'll copy the upgrade scroll |
| 21:43.14 | stew | pickcoder: if i were to guess, at some previous time you ran "apt-get install php4" |
| 21:43.26 | stew | pickcoder: by its very definition, upgrade cannot install new packages |
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| 21:44.12 | stew | from the apt-get manpage, under upgrade, "under no circumstances are currently installed packages removed, or packages not already installed retrieved and installed" |
| 21:44.16 | Vladi_ | should i use OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE kernel option if i have plenty of ram does it have an perormance gains? |
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| 21:46.32 | pickcoder | stew: I haven't touched this box in like 2 years |
| 21:46.41 | pickcoder | I just now ran update so I could upgrade the kernel |
| 21:46.56 | stew | update would certainly not install apache2 |
| 21:47.12 | abrotman | it would if an updated package depended on apache2 (though it'd require a dist-upgrade) |
| 21:47.18 | stew | right |
| 21:47.40 | stew | by it you mean "dist-upgrade" not "update" or "upgrade" |
| 21:47.53 | jair | hello guys, any idea of how to find out the WWN of the pci fiber optic cards in Linux - Debian? |
| 21:48.04 | abrotman | spin it? |
| 21:48.38 | robin_sz | WWN? waddat? |
| 21:49.32 | cydork | world wide name |
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| 21:50.01 | jair | correct |
| 21:50.23 | jair | I need to find out how to get the world wide name of the pci fiber card |
| 21:50.53 | jair | I know that using the bios of the card will tell me but it needs to reboot the server and I want to avoid that |
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| 21:51.57 | pickcoder | pastebin is slow |
| 21:52.30 | madclicker | is there a bug filled for kmix on etch. When one presses mute, amarok keeps blasting away, kind of usless |
| 21:52.49 | pickcoder | #flood |
| 21:53.03 | odla | madclicker, check bugs.debian.org |
| 21:53.21 | pickcoder | unless someone knows of another paste site |
| 21:53.23 | cydork | jair, lshw? m not sure though |
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| 21:55.21 | pickcoder | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3803 |
| 21:56.00 | pickcoder | I did not have apache2-common installed |
| 21:56.18 | stew | pickcoder: yes, you did. it said it would be upgraded, not "the following NEW packages will be installed" |
| 21:56.44 | stew | pickcoder: if you did "upgrade" there is absolutely no way that apt-get would install a new package |
| 21:56.45 | pickcoder | *sigh* |
| 21:56.53 | pickcoder | this is the second system this has happened on |
| 21:56.57 | pickcoder | I don't run Apache2 |
| 21:57.03 | pickcoder | I've _never_ installed it via apt-get |
| 21:57.10 | stew | pickcoder: then someone else did |
| 21:57.15 | pickcoder | no.. they didn't |
| 21:57.24 | stew | uhh, sure, ok |
| 21:57.29 | pickcoder | I maintain my own boxes |
| 21:57.32 | pickcoder | I know what's on them |
| 21:57.53 | stew | heh |
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| 21:58.45 | pickcoder | I think I may have one more box with an old Sarge release |
| 21:58.54 | pickcoder | I don't think it has apache on it though |
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| 22:05.35 | yang | cydork: next thing i I am interested if anyone knows the right package name for GD library or Imagemagick ? |
| 22:05.59 | cydork | !info imagemagick |
| 22:06.02 | dpkg | imagemagick: (Image manipulation programs), section graphics, is optional. Version: 7:6.2.4.5.dfsg1-0.10 (sid), Packaged size: 724 kB, Installed size: 3064 kB |
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| 22:07.34 | cydork | yang, you mean libgd2 , use apt-cache search, or /msg dpkg search |
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| 22:08.54 | yang | cydork: I installed this libgd2-noxpm - GD Graphics Library version 2 (without XPM support), but it wasn't recognised by mediawiki |
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| 22:09.05 | yang | libgd2-xpm even |
| 22:09.56 | cydork | yang, what about jsut libgd2? |
| 22:10.06 | stew | yang: is mediawiki php based? |
| 22:10.09 | yang | cydork: no such package |
| 22:10.21 | yang | stew: php5 & mysql |
| 22:10.24 | stew | yang: install php5-gd |
| 22:11.02 | stew | yang: then make sure that /etc/php5/apache(2?)/php.ini contains a line "extension=gd.so" |
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| 22:11.19 | masadd | azureus is shit...is there any other good torrent client for debian?...like utorrent? |
| 22:11.24 | pickcoder | did security.debian.org just go down? |
| 22:11.28 | masadd | azureus kills my internet |
| 22:11.29 | stew | masadd: rtorrent |
| 22:11.39 | masadd | is it good?... |
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| 22:11.48 | masadd | or just an alternative |
| 22:11.55 | stew | pickcoder: which one? |
| 22:11.58 | Eclipser | rtorrent is banned on some trackers |
| 22:12.07 | masadd | ah...so it is GOOD... :D |
| 22:12.09 | masadd | i will try it |
| 22:12.21 | masadd | thanx stew... |
| 22:12.22 | Eclipser | there's bittornado too |
| 22:12.24 | amphi | Eclipser: really? do you know why? |
| 22:12.30 | masadd | i will try rtorrent... |
| 22:12.31 | pickcoder | hrm.. |
| 22:12.43 | Eclipser | amphi, it does something evil with the protocol I think |
| 22:12.45 | pickcoder | http://security.debian.org |
| 22:12.47 | pickcoder | works in my browser |
| 22:12.49 | Eclipser | or doesn't comply to it properly |
| 22:12.56 | Eclipser | but that's libtorrent++'s fault |
| 22:13.00 | stew | pickcoder: that resolves to 4 different ips all of them wouldn't have gone down at once |
| 22:13.03 | pickcoder | apt is failing |
| 22:13.10 | pickcoder | couldn't resolve |
| 22:13.15 | pickcoder | yet I can get to any other site |
| 22:13.17 | pickcoder | dns is working |
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| 22:13.32 | stew | pickcoder: does "host security.debian.org" work from the command line? |
| 22:13.53 | pickcoder | trying dig and nslookup |
| 22:13.59 | pickcoder | gah |
| 22:14.04 | pickcoder | I'm hitting cache |
| 22:14.07 | pickcoder | grr |
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| 22:14.48 | cydork | pickcoder, today isn't your day. is it? :) |
| 22:15.00 | pickcoder | no.. it's not |
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| 22:15.11 | pickcoder | looks like my other link dropped |
| 22:15.54 | pickcoder | yup.. something's amuck |
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| 22:17.00 | pickcoder | hope I didn't knock the antenna lead loose |
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| 22:17.51 | pickcoder | I did.. either that or the ISP is screwing with me |
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| 22:18.48 | fluvvell | somebody recommended dnsmasq to me a few days back and I wanted to give some feedback and ask a question: Its great! However I need it to ignore the 127.0.0.1 <servername> line in hosts. Apart from an alternate hosts file, is there another way? |
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| 22:23.04 | simonrvn | fluvvell: not in the docs? |
| 22:23.04 | SerajewelKS | can anyone recommend a decent gnome audio collection player/manager? (a la amarok) |
| 22:23.05 | shun | question: where is apache2-doc supposed to install to? |
| 22:23.10 | SerajewelKS | shun: dpkg -L apache2-doc |
| 22:23.25 | simonrvn | can't help* |
| 22:23.39 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: well, i'm open to suggestions |
| 22:23.41 | epoch | hey folks... I'm trying to to an apt-get update, and getting this: |
| 22:23.43 | epoch | Failed to fetch http://mirror.direct.ca/linux/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
| 22:23.44 | simonrvn | *sigh*... i'm tired now. had an intense, long, awesome day |
| 22:24.55 | epoch | is it possible mirror.direct.ca is out of sync or something? |
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| 22:24.55 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 22:24.55 | dpkg | it has been said that debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 22:24.56 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: gnome? i'd do the mpd+gmpdc thing. totem and rhythmbox suck |
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| 22:24.57 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: amarok is like a good version of itunes |
| 22:24.57 | shun | Serajew elKs: i installed it and get the default at local host but theres no docs at the link there |
| 22:24.57 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i tried banshee but it crashes on my library |
| 22:25.00 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: hmm... |
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| 22:25.12 | SerajewelKS | shun: dpkg -L apache2-doc |
| 22:25.23 | masadd | rtorrent is damn good... |
| 22:25.30 | simonrvn | it's a lot more simple, but it does collections, and playlists |
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| 22:26.52 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i'd *like* a server that will stream ogg, that i can control with a nice GUI. then i can advertise a music server. |
| 22:26.59 | stew | RichiH: i'm on 7.1.1 now (using savage) that was painless |
| 22:27.25 | simonrvn | dunno if mpd can broadcast; it itself is a daemon |
| 22:27.48 | shun | Serajew elKs: I did that...know where it is...but I also have a direcotry called apache2-doc in /etc/apache2/conf.d...why? |
| 22:27.54 | simonrvn | that's less itunes-y and more icecast or similar |
| 22:28.03 | simonrvn | because |
| 22:28.12 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i'd live to see a merge between the two |
| 22:28.14 | SerajewelKS | love* |
| 22:28.24 | simonrvn | heh, yeh |
| 22:28.44 | shun | Serajew elKS: actually its a file there....and I have a directory called apache2-doc in /usr/share/docs/ |
| 22:28.54 | RichiH | stew: cool |
| 22:28.57 | fluvvell | simionrv: havnt found it in the docs yet... but then I'm not sure what I'm looking for |
| 22:29.06 | RichiH | stew: i will probably upgrade tomorrow if i find the time |
| 22:29.12 | fluvvell | simonrvn: havnt found it in the docs yet... but then I'm not sure what I'm looking for |
| 22:29.21 | SerajewelKS | shun: so go to http://localhost/apache2-doc |
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| 22:29.51 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: people told me banshee was good and it crashes first thing... not great advertising =) |
| 22:29.55 | simonrvn | fluvvell: looking for something like an exclude/exclusion file, or config, or similar |
| 22:30.48 | simonrvn | nope :) |
| 22:30.48 | shun | not found |
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| 22:31.07 | shun | furthermore...source at localhost/apache2-default has the link for documentation going to /manual/...and thats it! Is this normal? |
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| 22:31.36 | pickcoder | shun: that's fine if ./manual exists under docroot |
| 22:31.45 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: that banshee runs on mono |
| 22:31.51 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i know |
| 22:32.22 | shun | pickcoder: you mean var/www/ = docroot...right? |
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| 22:32.27 | simonrvn | they tend to be crashy (mono apps). dunno why |
| 22:33.01 | pipeline | simonrvn: Really? I haven't had trouble with any mono app that didn't use gtkmozembed |
| 22:33.13 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: not mine =) |
| 22:33.18 | simonrvn | ah, that's probably it then |
| 22:33.26 | shun | pcikcoder: actually i moved /manual there from /usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/ |
| 22:33.31 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: and my app is a gecko# app |
| 22:33.42 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: There's your problem :) |
| 22:33.46 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: but it seems to be pretty stable |
| 22:33.51 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: ... |
| 22:34.05 | shun | i dont know...i suspect that something crazy is going on here |
| 22:34.15 | shun | didnt have this problem with ubuntu |
| 22:34.20 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: *my* app works. *banshee* does not. |
| 22:34.29 | SerajewelKS | shun: well use ubuntu then |
| 22:34.47 | shun | I dont want to...Is that crazy? |
| 22:35.04 | simonrvn | no... it is up to you after all |
| 22:35.16 | SerajewelKS | shun: no, but "so and so" works better isn't going to get much of a response |
| 22:35.27 | shun | for some reason I feel that my problems with debian are my falt...not debian.. |
| 22:35.30 | simonrvn | well, i'm gonna get meself some food, and get groceries |
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| 22:35.40 | SerajewelKS | shun: i use httpd.apache.org for docs |
| 22:36.02 | shun | hmm...ok...thanks |
| 22:36.14 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: You're not going to like this, but have you tried banshee CVS? |
| 22:36.21 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: It's a one man app. :\ |
| 22:36.27 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: ah |
| 22:36.33 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: He's a nice guy, though. Surprising how much he cares about his product. |
| 22:36.46 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: i care about my product too =) |
| 22:37.20 | pickcoder | gah.. hylafax still thinks my modems are wedged |
| 22:37.22 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP%3ASNIPE |
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| 22:39.10 | nvz | wedged? |
| 22:39.54 | simonrvn | stuck, locked, frozen |
| 22:40.15 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: ? |
| 22:40.22 | nvz | how the hell do you get a modem stuck |
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| 22:41.37 | nvz | my cousin once told me.. as we were tearing out some framing we did to adjust the size of a window header.. "Beat it and it will come" |
| 22:41.50 | nvz | seems to work when you got things stuck, wedged, locked, or frozen |
| 22:42.18 | nvz | works when you got things hard, stiff, rigid or pretty much anything else too ;P |
| 22:42.20 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: isn't that what you mean? |
| 22:42.31 | simonrvn | that's what it means to me |
| 22:42.52 | simonrvn | hehe yup |
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| 22:43.19 | simonrvn | anyway, bbialw, gonna take a nap. got up at 3 this morning |
| 22:43.34 | nvz | man I love construction work.. people with low IQ's comming up with funny phrases of wisdom that apply to every situation in life |
| 22:43.47 | nvz | heh |
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| 22:45.21 | simonrvn | wisdom is learning from mistakes, and also it can from observation of things, events, people |
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| 22:47.16 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: what what means |
| 22:47.22 | nvz | the three phrases of wisdom I took away from working with his construction crew that apply in virtually every situation in life are "Always remember where you are at", "You don't always have to know what you are doing, just act like it and never let em see you sweat", and "Beat it and it will come" .. heh ;P |
| 22:49.15 | nvz | I got a much longer list of phrases which seemingly hold little meaning to rational thinking people like "tighter than a crabs ass to the curb" or "slow down you'll be there before we get there" |
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| 22:52.18 | raf256 | is it easy to install a debian into a mounted external hard disc? In my box I have amd64 testing and I want to install i386 stable into /mnt/friends-hdd/ - how to? |
| 22:52.36 | SerajewelKS | raf256: debootstrap |
| 22:52.46 | raf256 | is tehre some howto? |
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| 22:53.05 | Darthy | hi |
| 22:53.19 | Darthy | howto unpack a ram image with debian? |
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| 22:54.07 | nvz | Darthy: do what? |
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| 22:54.54 | Darthy | i have a ram fs image to boot via network. |
| 22:55.23 | Darthy | i had cram before.. but they switched to ram which seems not compressed.. but how to handle ram fs ? |
| 22:55.38 | nvz | no clue. never heard of it |
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| 22:58.51 | SerajewelKS | at least amarok works well with gnome |
| 22:59.25 | nvz | i would like to be an amarok user |
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| 22:59.51 | simonrvn | only drawback to it is that it's a bit of a pig |
| 22:59.58 | nvz | but as it seems I mostly play music when dj'ing for friends at a party and I am usually drynk or high and amarok isnt friendly to impaired people |
| 23:00.07 | nvz | its too touchy |
| 23:00.12 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: but it doesn't crash |
| 23:00.15 | simonrvn | ui, is a bit confusing at first, too |
| 23:00.20 | simonrvn | that's true :) |
| 23:00.20 | nvz | its too easy to start another song in the middle of another song |
| 23:00.22 | ahlfors | amarok crashes |
| 23:00.32 | nvz | its like single click or something |
| 23:00.34 | SerajewelKS | ahlfors: not as much as banshee |
| 23:00.34 | nvz | thats not good |
| 23:00.56 | SerajewelKS | ahlfors: i haven't had it crash since 1.4.0 |
| 23:00.58 | nvz | I need a song lock that makes sure the current playing song cant easily or accidentally be changed |
| 23:01.00 | ahlfors | SerajewelKS, entirely possible. I've never seen nor heard of banshee |
| 23:01.19 | nvz | nothing worse then fading in another song in the middle of one accidentally |
| 23:01.22 | simonrvn | or double click |
| 23:01.33 | SerajewelKS | ahlfors: it's a Gtk# player more like itunes than amarok |
| 23:01.33 | nvz | thats why I use cplay less room for error |
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| 23:01.38 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 23:01.46 | SerajewelKS | nvz: mpg123 =) |
| 23:01.49 | nvz | I would like to take advatage of the tons of features in amarok though |
| 23:01.50 | SerajewelKS | or ogg123 |
| 23:01.56 | Stevie | mpg1337 |
| 23:02.08 | nvz | Stevie Nicks? |
| 23:02.10 | simonrvn | mpeg1337 ;p |
| 23:02.16 | ahlfors | despite the crashes, I still use and like amarok |
| 23:02.20 | Stevie | Stevie's Nick |
| 23:02.23 | nvz | damn. |
| 23:02.34 | SerajewelKS | amarok with the clearlooks colors doesn't even look that odd in gnome |
| 23:02.38 | nvz | I'd marry stevie nicks and she's more than twice my age |
| 23:03.31 | SerajewelKS | i actually wish lipstik was ported to a gtk engine |
| 23:03.34 | nvz | since I heard Avril got married stevie nicks is now my only diva.. |
| 23:03.40 | Stevie | heh |
| 23:03.43 | nvz | :P |
| 23:03.46 | SerajewelKS | i like it better than clearlooks |
| 23:03.46 | simonrvn | she's a good-looking woman. there's women her age, that look nice, but they do the plastic surgery shite. which ruins it, because you can FRICKING TELL |
| 23:03.54 | simonrvn | yeh she did |
| 23:04.18 | nvz | not only is she good looking, but she;s a regular enchantress.. great poetry and musical talent |
| 23:04.21 | nvz | that turns me on |
| 23:04.49 | ahlfors | uh, is stevie nicks a debian package? |
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| 23:05.03 | nvz | however thats got nothing to do with why I am attracted to Avril.. its her skin tone (not the pasty white makeup she wears) and her fangs.. they make her lip arch up its sexy |
| 23:05.18 | simonrvn | yeh... i love women who can sing... i find it so cool when the women back us up when we doing a song. there's nothing like it. who needs drugs ;) |
| 23:05.39 | SerajewelKS | when did i join #puberty |
| 23:05.52 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 23:06.10 | nvz | yeah I wish my friend cara wasnt such a stranger I'd love for her to come over and make some music with me. |
| 23:06.27 | predder | ... |
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| 23:06.41 | nvz | she's a good singer when she actually does it. |
| 23:06.42 | simonrvn | predder: ... |
| 23:06.55 | predder | <SerajewelKS> when did i join #puberty <-- sounds more like #lonelyhearts to me. |
| 23:07.28 | nvz | I got this Yamaha Portable Grand Piano and guitar here.. |
| 23:07.31 | MojOrow | same thing really |
| 23:07.39 | MojOrow | there is no such thing as love |
| 23:07.48 | MojOrow | it's is jst another chemical addiction |
| 23:07.49 | simonrvn | nothing wrong with talking about women, and appreciating their gifts. i'm a married man, and not lonely |
| 23:08.01 | nvz | heh |
| 23:08.08 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: but... in #debian? |
| 23:08.20 | predder | so errr.. how about that etch eh |
| 23:08.23 | nvz | I am single and the women that frequent my place either dont have any talent or dont show it |
| 23:08.27 | simonrvn | no one's asking for help ;) |
| 23:08.29 | SerajewelKS | predder: haha |
| 23:08.33 | nvz | though I got steph to play my guitar yesturday |
| 23:08.37 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: probably because you're scaring them |
| 23:08.57 | MojOrow | how can i get the /dev/ directory to update in sarge? |
| 23:09.14 | nvz | MojOrow: what kind of /dev/ directoru? static, devfs, udev? |
| 23:09.25 | simonrvn | hey, if i'm scaring someone is because they don't like women, and i don't want to know that sort of person, so see if i care ;) |
| 23:09.28 | MojOrow | i mean /dev |
| 23:09.29 | predder | update how MojOrow, did you just plug something new in? |
| 23:09.37 | simonrvn | s,and,, |
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| 23:09.52 | nvz | simonrvn: women are on topic anywhere men go as far as I am concerned |
| 23:09.57 | MojOrow | i mean wheni go to the dir i have sda-h |
| 23:10.00 | simonrvn | MojOrow: cd /dev; MAKEDEV generic-i386 helps |
| 23:10.10 | simonrvn | nvz: aho! |
| 23:10.13 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: heh |
| 23:10.15 | MojOrow | and sda is sda1-20 |
| 23:10.27 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: granted i've seen weirder topics in here |
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| 23:11.28 | simonrvn | women are the first person you see, feel, touch, learn from, get food from... they are important, never forget that |
| 23:11.37 | MojOrow | yeah |
| 23:11.43 | MojOrow | and they destroy everything |
| 23:11.48 | simonrvn | ... |
| 23:11.48 | nvz | heh |
| 23:11.50 | pickcoder | gah.. you know you have too many backup machines running when you try to debug a live one for stuff an off-line one is doing... |
| 23:11.50 | ahlfors | this channel has turned all weird |
| 23:11.55 | MojOrow | number one cause of all problems on this planet |
| 23:12.03 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 23:12.03 | nvz | ahlfors: nothing's changed |
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| 23:12.31 | nvz | ahlfors: just no issues to deal with right now and a bunch of people starring at the screen |
| 23:12.46 | nvz | I've been here about 6 years its all the same |
| 23:12.54 | ahlfors | okay then we should talk about cheese instead. mmmm.... cheese |
| 23:12.55 | MojOrow | i dare ya |
| 23:13.01 | simonrvn | MojOrow: one last thing before i set you /ignore: no, it's men that think they can push people around without consequence |
| 23:13.02 | MojOrow | try to prove me wrong |
| 23:13.20 | MojOrow | how so |
| 23:13.25 | SerajewelKS | the urgent hint could be better in gnome... anyone know if it's configurable? i can't finh any option. |
| 23:13.28 | nvz | I used my last two slices of cheese burning grilled cheese sandwitches and ate a hamburger instead.. thats about as far as I can talk cheese |
| 23:13.31 | SerajewelKS | find* |
| 23:13.42 | pickcoder | simonrvn: I thought that the media was the group that push people around without consequence |
| 23:13.45 | nvz | I am not familiar with this "urgent hint" |
| 23:13.48 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: afaik, i've never seen a setting like that anywhere |
| 23:13.58 | simonrvn | they're just puppets |
| 23:14.18 | dig | !tell raf256 about debootstrapping |
| 23:14.24 | simonrvn | nvz: hehe (the cheese thing) |
| 23:14.32 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: in KDE it's like "hey! look at me!" in gnome it's like "how long can i subtly change colors before he notices?" |
| 23:14.46 | simonrvn | hehe too true |
| 23:14.58 | SerajewelKS | nvz: like when a window wants your attention, the taskbar button blinks |
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| 23:15.12 | nvz | hmm then thats metacity not gnome |
| 23:15.22 | simonrvn | oh ok. in gnome, i haven't seen suhc a thing |
| 23:15.23 | nvz | I use sawfish with gnome so I dont see this |
| 23:15.23 | dig | raf256 did you find help with this debootstrap? |
| 23:15.28 | SerajewelKS | nvz: whatever. it's what GTK+ calls it. |
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| 23:16.04 | simonrvn | i must be tired, i'm not caring about my typos |
| 23:16.15 | SerajewelKS | damn, missed an IM by a minute |
| 23:16.33 | dig | I have to go.. bedtime |
| 23:16.38 | MojOrow | how is the statement " it's men that think they cna push people around without consequence" at all logical |
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| 23:16.42 | SerajewelKS | subtle alerts don't work... because... they're SUBTLE |
| 23:17.13 | nvz | use sound alerts or something |
| 23:17.23 | nvz | I like my alerts to be as subtle as possible |
| 23:17.25 | simonrvn | like an air siren or something ;p |
| 23:17.46 | nvz | I hate things bothering me when I am working on something else |
| 23:17.54 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i like subtle it i can see it from the corner of my eye |
| 23:17.54 | pickcoder | projectile CDs |
| 23:18.01 | SerajewelKS | s/it/when/ |
| 23:18.05 | simonrvn | funny, but that could hurt |
| 23:18.26 | pickcoder | if you're not paying attention |
| 23:18.28 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 23:18.28 | nvz | in irssi all I get is a single red char |
| 23:18.31 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:18.35 | nvz | and thats more than enough for me |
| 23:18.49 | SerajewelKS | nvz: because that'n near where you type |
| 23:18.53 | simonrvn | you sick puppy :) |
| 23:18.57 | MojOrow | can anyon nswer my above question? |
| 23:19.17 | nvz | not really its in screen and when I have it attached its usually at a depth just above my root window or desktop |
| 23:19.27 | SerajewelKS | nvz: the right edge of the taskbar isn't where i'm looking when typing in irssi. unless i type a long messsage... like right now, yup it's blinking. |
| 23:19.34 | nvz | so when I am on another workspace, window, or not looking I wont see it |
| 23:19.39 | odla | is opera free now? |
| 23:19.53 | nvz | but there is nothing my pc does that is that damn urgent to interrupt even my lowest priority |
| 23:19.56 | simonrvn | no |
| 23:20.17 | odla | simonrvn, me? |
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| 23:20.42 | simonrvn | odla: there was some free reggie codes being handed out a while ago, for their 10th anni. or something, but that's it |
| 23:20.48 | SerajewelKS | nvz: still an option would be nice |
| 23:21.03 | odla | ok |
| 23:21.05 | SerajewelKS | nvz: from "annoying" to "not noticable" |
| 23:21.08 | nvz | SerajewelKS: well most applications and window managers have sound events |
| 23:21.40 | SerajewelKS | nvz: they either interrupt my music or are too quiet to hear =) |
| 23:22.00 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: just remembered, you can have the window title bar flash, or the whole screen |
| 23:22.08 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: in what? |
| 23:22.12 | simonrvn | gnome |
| 23:22.19 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 23:22.20 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: where's the option? |
| 23:22.31 | nvz | well sound events are the only thing that are going to be noticed unless you are looking right at the thing anyhow |
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| 23:23.05 | nvz | I despise sound events |
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| 23:23.17 | simonrvn | i don't have that open right now. gimme a few, i was going to quit my xsession anyway |
| 23:23.20 | SerajewelKS | nvz: not if the flash has enough contrast |
| 23:23.31 | SerajewelKS | nvz: fading slowly doesn't do it |
| 23:23.35 | nvz | I've long been tempted to take my microwave apart because of the damn annoying sound events it has :P |
| 23:24.04 | ahlfors | The right way to grab attention is to warp the mouse pointer to a new location. You know, like openwindows on old solaris. They had it right. |
| 23:24.13 | SerajewelKS | ahlfors: ick |
| 23:24.35 | nvz | stealing focus is ignorant too.. one of the many things I cant tolerate that windows does way too often |
| 23:24.56 | Spark | so, i do a dist-upgrade |
| 23:24.59 | Spark | and then the kernel oopses |
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| 23:25.05 | Spark | and now i cant ssh |
| 23:25.08 | Spark | because i cant write to /dev/null |
| 23:25.09 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i love how KDE handles that |
| 23:25.11 | Spark | despite the permissions being ok |
| 23:25.12 | nvz | I carefully adjust my focus on a per-window basis. one of the many reasons I love sawfish |
| 23:25.42 | nvz | by default I use click focus, but on my terminal window I use enter-only focus |
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| 23:26.31 | SerajewelKS | i could use a notifier like the windows tray bubbles, as bad as those are |
| 23:26.48 | SerajewelKS | if i can control when they come up, they're okay |
| 23:27.04 | ahlfors | If a minimized application wants your attention, a little stick man should climb out from behind the icon and start jumping up and down and waving a little flag. |
| 23:27.20 | SerajewelKS | but when office wants me to register for some customer experience program, that's not important enough |
| 23:27.31 | ahlfors | Perhaps the flag could be user-configurable, or replaceable with other objects, like canoes and jars of pickles. |
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| 23:27.43 | SerajewelKS | ahlfors: that's almost a good idea =) |
| 23:28.11 | ahlfors | SerajewelKS, think I could get the KDE/Plasma folks to go for it? |
| 23:28.12 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: sound prefs, second tab |
| 23:28.19 | SerajewelKS | i'd like a keyboard with a backlight that is dimmable by the computer. i'd notice that =) |
| 23:28.41 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: AIAFK gaim doesn't use that |
| 23:28.47 | SerajewelKS | ahlfors: probably |
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| 23:28.56 | simonrvn | oh |
| 23:29.04 | simonrvn | ahlfors: that's funny :) |
| 23:29.13 | nvz | SerajewelKS: that could be interesting. |
| 23:29.13 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i think that's just for apps that use the system beep |
| 23:29.20 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i think it'd be kinda cool |
| 23:29.35 | simonrvn | that's true. sorry for getting your hopes up and smashing them into little pieces |
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| 23:29.45 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: haha that's okay |
| 23:29.46 | holo | hi |
| 23:29.48 | nvz | SerajewelKS: the had this orb thing on think geek that could flash or transist between several hundred colors for different events.. but it wasnt pc connected |
| 23:33.49 | SerajewelKS | nvz: nice |
| 23:34.09 | nvz | SerajewelKS: could be an interesting idea to play with though |
| 23:34.18 | tarzeau | HILARIOUS |
| 23:34.41 | tarzeau | ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS |
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| 23:37.08 | simonrvn | tarzeau: what is? |
| 23:37.21 | nvz | SerajewelKS: you could like have it flash blue if it was about to rain and stuff like that.. you configured it online and it updated via the internet or somethng |
| 23:37.49 | tarzeau | simonrvn: debian package names. AGAIN |
| 23:38.04 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i'd like a strobe that fires when i get an IM |
| 23:38.52 | ahlfors | nvz, SerajewelKS, you're talking about the ambient orb? |
| 23:39.04 | bonez12 | is there any way, booting with Woody cd...to fix my MBR...I forgot to run grub-install...and this drive, an SATA 80gb was booting up from another drive....now, it has no grub in the mbr and I can't boot it |
| 23:39.04 | SerajewelKS | ahlfors: no clue |
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| 23:39.52 | tarzeau | simonrvn: it's sick how they can not care less about names that've been around for years and then moronicly ask them to be names WRONG |
| 23:40.09 | simonrvn | oh, that. i haven't been keeping track much |
| 23:40.50 | nvz | ahlfors: yeah I think so |
| 23:41.06 | holo | what is the name of that application that has support for lan talking and also on the internet (voice over ip) and also typing, it has encrypted conversation support.. it is open-source and competes in a way that it is a free opensource alternative |
| 23:41.23 | tarzeau | simonrvn: you'd call library package application? |
| 23:42.03 | nvz | SerajewelKS: could be arranged with a small application patch and a serial controller and driver |
| 23:42.03 | holo | alternative for skype (sorry) |
| 23:42.57 | simonrvn | library package application? wth is that? |
| 23:43.18 | tarzeau | simonrvn: heck even tools are called applications now. which is just so wrong, but at least if someone points at me, i can point at others |
| 23:43.33 | SerajewelKS | nvz: and a strobe light, and a dimmer pack, which i don't have |
| 23:43.59 | Coweater | bonez12: a woody cd won't have drivers to use sata |
| 23:44.23 | tarzeau | simonrvn: debian people |
| 23:45.41 | tarzeau | simonrvn: it's late, i don't give a fuck anymore, i'm going to sleep |
| 23:46.01 | SerajewelKS | holo: openwengo? |
| 23:46.40 | jelly-home | tarzeau: care for an example? |
| 23:47.01 | simonrvn | tarzeau: g'night |
| 23:48.29 | bonez12 | Coweater how would I get them? I had a grub rescue disk but can't find it now.have to make another at home...... |
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| 23:49.58 | tarzeau | jelly-home: certainly: open.app used to be called open.tool |
| 23:51.48 | holo | Serajewe1KS , that's not that name :( can't remember it though |
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| 23:52.59 | SerajewelKS | holo: it's an L, not a 1 |
| 23:53.50 | tarzeau | jelly-home: and suddenly the '\.framework' packages shall be named .app ??? |
| 23:54.16 | bonez12 | Coweater the sata drive isn't set up through the BIOS.... the drivers for the SATA controller card show up at boot time...... |
| 23:55.08 | holo | SerajewelKS, sorry my auto-complete is screwed |
