| 00:10.33 | tarzeau | jelly-home: how worse can it get |
| 00:10.33 | simonrvn | AFAIUI, aren't those '.framework' things backends anyway? |
| 00:10.34 | SerajewelKS | holo: s'ok |
| 00:10.34 | Coweater | bonez12: use a sarge install cd with a 2.6 kernel ideally |
| 00:10.34 | tarzeau | simonrvn: WTF ARE backends? |
| 00:10.34 | tarzeau | simonrvn: backends to what? |
| 00:10.34 | tarzeau | simonrvn: no they are special libraries |
| 00:10.34 | ahlfors | tarzeau: the frontend |
| 00:10.34 | tarzeau | simonrvn: check the definition of framework in dict |
| 00:10.34 | holo | SerajewelKs, but i'll take a look into that program you said, thanks |
| 00:10.35 | jelly-home | tarzeau: eh. Was it ever released? If not, I think package names are still fair game, |
| 00:10.35 | tarzeau | ahlfors: no they are not frontends |
| 00:10.35 | simonrvn | stuff you don't see but run in the background, or are run in the background. not daemons though |
| 00:10.35 | bonez12 | Coweater well, when I get my system running I'll burn a 2.6 sarge install cd |
| 00:10.35 | tarzeau | jelly-home: yes there's a bunch of .framework packages |
| 00:10.35 | Coweater | bonez12: you installed woody on a sata drive? |
| 00:10.36 | tarzeau | jelly-home: you don't have voice my dear, you're just a cowardly user |
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| 00:10.36 | SerajewelKS | holo: np |
| 00:10.37 | simonrvn | tarzeau: chill out ok? |
| 00:10.37 | holo | i have to go now.. thank you people |
| 00:10.37 | holo | gnight |
| 00:10.37 | simonrvn | g'night, good luck |
| 00:10.37 | holo | thanks :) |
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| 00:10.38 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: the users can be just as involved too. this is a user-driven project too. |
| 00:10.38 | jelly-home | tarzeau: meh, it's not the first dumb move on some DD's part. |
| 00:10.38 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: users can't vote |
| 00:10.38 | tarzeau | jelly-home: definitely |
| 00:10.39 | Spark | root@stealth:~$ cat /dev/null |
| 00:10.39 | Spark | cat: /dev/null: Bad address |
| 00:10.39 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: that has nothing to do with having a voice |
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| 00:10.39 | bonez12 | Coweater yeah, long ago......is there some problem with running linux on a SATA drive? |
| 00:10.40 | Spark | what the hell has dist-upgrading done to this machine? |
| 00:10.40 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: the voices have no weights |
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| 00:10.40 | tarzeau | Spark: what the hell you asked to do it |
| 00:10.40 | bonez12 | Coweater no one told me I couldn't .... but the system when I installed the SATA drive was booting off an older IDE drive.... |
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| 00:10.41 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: maybe not directly |
| 00:10.41 | tarzeau | bonez12: depends which kernel, and which sata controller, which driver |
| 00:10.41 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: anyway i'll talk to you when you're less pissed |
| 00:10.41 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: that'll be tomorrow |
| 00:10.42 | simonrvn | no, not directly... input however should be welcome *hinthint* ;) |
| 00:10.43 | simonrvn | tarzeau: well i hope you sleep well |
| 00:10.44 | tarzeau | simonrvn: thanks, g'night |
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| 00:10.44 | nvz | and like my father always told me.. it's better to be pissed off than pissed on.. |
| 00:10.44 | simonrvn | :) |
| 00:10.44 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:10.45 | nvz | I believe that has some kind of hinting to quitting while you are ahead, things could be worse |
| 00:11.27 | simonrvn | for sure :) |
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| 00:11.30 | jelly-home | But is it better to be just pissed? ;-) |
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| 00:11.30 | simonrvn | picking your battles, knowing when to push through the brick wall, and how; aiming straight, and at the right target ;) |
| 00:11.30 | nvz | or maybe its more about re-evaluating your situation and knowing what you can change and what you cant |
| 00:11.30 | simonrvn | yup |
| 00:11.31 | nvz | kind of like the old serenity prayer |
| 00:11.31 | simonrvn | forethought |
| 00:11.32 | nvz | what most people miss in that old serenity thing is the part about having the wisdom to know the difference |
| 00:11.32 | simonrvn | yes |
| 00:11.32 | nvz | no point in being a jail-house lawyer worrying about things you cant change |
| 00:11.33 | Stevie | Grant me to the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; the courage to change the things I cannot accept; and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they got on my nerves. |
| 00:11.34 | nvz | yeah I heard many many different variations of that, but never this one |
| 00:11.34 | simonrvn | i don't think that's it ;) |
| 00:11.34 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:11.34 | simonrvn | anyway, later |
| 00:11.34 | Stevie | Of course that's it. |
| 00:11.34 | Stevie | what else would it be? |
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| 00:11.35 | joed | The GPL? |
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| 00:11.37 | nvz | I like the older versions of the serenity prayer.. the new christian version like everything else dumped into their cannon.. is truncated and twisted around |
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| 00:11.39 | SerajewelKS | KDE has better login sounds though =) |
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| 00:12.00 | eul- | hey |
| 00:12.00 | eul- | do i need hotplug installed to use pcmcia cards? |
| 00:12.01 | nvz | eul-: hotplug facilitates driver loading/unloading as well as any other misc tasks related. it helps but I doubt its required |
| 00:12.01 | nvz | I dont use it just for USB but I would probably use it if I had pcmcia hardaware |
| 00:12.02 | eul- | im trying to set up my rt2500 based pcmcia nic |
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| 00:12.03 | eul- | dmesg is saying when cards are inserted/removed, the modules are not getting loaded |
| 00:12.03 | eul- | im using ndiswrapper |
| 00:12.03 | eul- | im trying to work out what's wrong :/ |
| 00:12.03 | eul- | ndiswrapper has the required driver loaded |
| 00:12.04 | eul- | i also have a native rt2500 module installed |
| 00:12.04 | eul- | which also doesnt get loaded |
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| 00:12.07 | SerajewelKS | hrm, gnome's sound panel doesn't support anything but wav? |
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| 00:12.09 | jazzanova | hi |
| 00:12.10 | jazzanova | how can I rotate an mpeg movie ? |
| 00:12.10 | SerajewelKS | jazzanova: turn the monitor on its side |
| 00:12.10 | jazzanova | :) |
| 00:12.10 | SerajewelKS | jazzanova: yeah it works with other movie formats too! |
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| 00:12.40 | predder | I just installed 2.6.16-2 on a machine and hwclock --show comes back with: "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out" |
| 00:12.41 | predder | I googled and saw a lot of people with the same problem but no real solutions, any suggestions? |
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| 00:13.00 | tuv | why would grub refuse to install using etch's d-i beta3 ? says: cannot install. fatal error |
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| 00:13.01 | tuv | the rest of the installation went well |
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| 00:13.04 | netcrash | Hello . Any one knows of a tutorial to configure subdomains of a domain, I'm having a few troubles and can't see the problem. |
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| 00:13.09 | cureless | netcrash: what kind of problems are you having? |
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| 00:13.23 | op3y | is there a way to install debian from mandrak? i have a server with no cdroms and two usb |
| 00:13.25 | netcrash | cureless: the subdomain ns.subdomain.domain.com does not answer |
| 00:13.26 | netcrash | and resolving like dig @localhost subdomain.domain.com ns , returns nothing |
| 00:13.29 | netcrash | but xyz.domain.com gives an answer |
| 00:14.00 | netcrash | logs show nothing |
| 00:14.23 | netcrash | I have a zone for the subdomain, can't see the problem |
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| 00:15.32 | netcrash | the subdomain is for a ddns update |
| 00:16.13 | reilithion | Is there an RFC that describes a standard way of determining version numbers for programs? And if so, what number is it? |
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| 00:17.42 | cureless | reilithion: no (as far as I know) |
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| 00:17.58 | cureless | reilithion: any program can choose any numbering/versioning scheme that they want. |
| 00:18.07 | cureless | most, not all, obey an ascending rule. :-) |
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| 00:18.28 | basscr | i've just installed debian, and i cannot enter the gdm, how do i reconfigure it again |
| 00:18.59 | cureless | netcrash: I don't know where your problem is. (I don't have bind installed right now to test), but check your main config. Try answering only for your subdomain first, make sure that works by itself. |
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| 00:19.17 | reilithion | cureless: Yeah, clearly. hehe. But I thought I remembered a document somewhere that mentioned such an RFC that developers could refer to if they wanted to use a standard. |
| 00:19.30 | cureless | basscr: what do you mean you can't enter gdm? |
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| 00:20.14 | cureless | reilithion: an RFC? there might be some document talking about it somewhere, but it's hard to believe it would be an (IETF) RFC. |
| 00:20.37 | basscr | the graphical interface, it said it's wrong configured |
| 00:21.03 | cureless | basscr: so you mean you can't run gdm? |
| 00:21.08 | reilithion | cureless: +shrugs+ I'm just remembering here. Could be an artifact of my buggy ol' biological memory. hehe |
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| 00:21.25 | basscr | cureless, yeap |
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| 00:21.32 | cureless | reilithion: have you checked google? |
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| 00:21.48 | cureless | basscr: log in as root on the console, configure X again. |
| 00:22.05 | peteweez | Hi does anyone here know how to feed a firewire camcorder to v4l so that I can use my firewire camcorder as a webcam? |
| 00:22.09 | cureless | basscr: (assuming your problem is with X and not really with gdm) |
| 00:22.13 | basscr | cureless, with dpkg-reconfigure gdm ??? |
| 00:22.32 | cureless | basscr: is gdm really your problem? can you run xinit? |
| 00:22.50 | basscr | no, it's the X server, but i forgat the command |
| 00:22.52 | reilithion | cureless: rfc program version number turns up a lot of cruft, and I'm sorting through it now. Any ideas for a better search term? |
| 00:22.54 | basscr | can you help me? |
| 00:23.04 | Ronin | !tell basscr about drxx |
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| 00:23.33 | cureless | basscr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg might work (or xserver-xfree86) |
| 00:23.47 | peteweez | cureless: on debian, it's xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:23.56 | Ronin | peteweez: depends on what release |
| 00:23.57 | peteweez | they don't use xorg because of a licensing issue |
| 00:24.05 | peteweez | (I think) |
| 00:24.07 | Ronin | peteweez: etch and sid are on xorn |
| 00:24.13 | reilithion | xorg* |
| 00:24.13 | Ronin | xorg even |
| 00:24.15 | pipeline | peteweez, cureless : No. They just didn't use X.org because it was riddled with bugs. |
| 00:24.15 | peteweez | Oh OK that's good |
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| 00:24.26 | pipeline | peteweez, cureless : X.org is still riddled with bugs, but they're sick of patching XF86 4.3 :P |
| 00:24.29 | peteweez | I was worried they'd never get to xorg |
| 00:24.32 | cureless | reilithion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Version maybe something there. |
| 00:24.34 | peteweez | pipeline: lol |
| 00:24.44 | reilithion | cureless: hey, thanks. I should've thought of that |
| 00:24.44 | pipeline | peteweez: it's not funny. The X.org folks are cock jockeys. |
| 00:24.56 | cureless | pipeline: I didn't say anything about xorg. |
| 00:24.57 | Ronin | umm ok pipeline |
| 00:24.57 | peteweez | Wow you really don't like them do you? |
| 00:24.58 | basscr | so? xorg? |
| 00:25.04 | basscr | or xfree86? |
| 00:25.07 | basscr | on debian |
| 00:25.09 | thingfish | gravity is the one that knows about all that stuff. |
| 00:25.12 | Ronin | basscr: depends, what you running again? sarge? etch? |
| 00:25.13 | gravity | erm? |
| 00:25.14 | cureless | basscr: what are you running? what debian? |
| 00:25.18 | basscr | sarge |
| 00:25.19 | peteweez | What like the bug that freezes my system onece every f***ing day? |
| 00:25.23 | Ronin | xfree then |
| 00:25.29 | basscr | ok |
| 00:25.31 | basscr | thanks |
| 00:25.34 | thingfish | gravity: some sort of discussion about xorg and xfree86 |
| 00:25.38 | peteweez | anyway I still need to know how to feed firewire to v4l. |
| 00:25.57 | gravity | Ah |
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| 00:29.32 | cureless | peteweez: I was going to say, I think that might be hard, don't really know if it's doable, specially if it's "native" firewire video, which is very high bandwidth. You'd have to do some serious encoding. Having said that, it should be possible to go from firewire to v4l. |
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| 00:30.48 | Althaser | someone here knows where can I edit my debian menu ? please |
| 00:30.59 | Ronin | Althaser: what debian menu? |
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| 00:31.45 | peteweez | cureless: thanks |
| 00:31.53 | peteweez | Of course, that makes sense |
| 00:32.12 | peteweez | But still, there should be a way to loop it back |
| 00:32.19 | cureless | peteweez: I say this second hand 'cause I haven't actually tried it myself. |
| 00:32.50 | peteweez | right |
| 00:33.04 | peteweez | no I've seen several places that say it's simply not possible |
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| 00:33.29 | peteweez | but some people here know so many hacks it's scary :-) |
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| 00:33.41 | nvz | it should be illegal for people like me to get bored |
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| 00:33.46 | nvz | thats all I am saying |
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| 00:34.00 | nvz | I plead the 5th |
| 00:34.46 | Ronin | nvz: what did you do? |
| 00:35.11 | nvz | Ronin: absolutly nothing O;) |
| 00:35.22 | cureless | ... and that's the problem |
| 00:35.26 | Ronin | sure you didnt |
| 00:35.27 | Althaser | Ronin I think is menu-xdg |
| 00:35.53 | nvz | I gotta find some direction in my life or I'll be a criminal by time I am 35 |
| 00:35.58 | stoned | good mother fucking eveing |
| 00:36.06 | cureless | nvz: are you 34? |
| 00:36.11 | nvz | I used to just think up master plans in high school when I got bored |
| 00:36.12 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:36.13 | stoned | I worked 12.5 hours today, then I got 3 shots of everclear |
| 00:36.14 | nvz | not I am only 23 |
| 00:36.21 | stoned | I'm doing pretty fucking good now |
| 00:36.26 | nvz | no adays I act on them occationally. |
| 00:36.26 | stoned | sup nvz THING |
| 00:36.29 | stoned | thing |
| 00:36.31 | cureless | nvz: then don't worry, you still have 12 years of non-criminal life |
| 00:36.34 | stoned | goddamn im drunk |
| 00:36.35 | thingfish | no way you can do 3 shots of everclear |
| 00:36.38 | stoned | who needs debian support |
| 00:36.40 | Althaser | Ronin yes it is ;) do you know how can I edit my menu-xdg ? please |
| 00:36.40 | stoned | bring it on man |
| 00:36.48 | stoned | 25ml shots |
| 00:36.49 | nvz | like when I committed grand larsony about a year ago just to give my friends and I something to do |
| 00:36.49 | thingfish | hehe I guess so then |
| 00:36.53 | predder | anyone else here experienced: "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out" when using etch and found a workaround? |
| 00:37.01 | thingfish | heh you'll be unconscious, shortly, stoned |
| 00:37.10 | stoned | dude, my vision is blurred |
| 00:37.13 | stoned | the room spins |
| 00:37.14 | stoned | ! |
| 00:37.15 | thingfish | no doubt |
| 00:37.28 | litage | is it okay to have "sarge" instead of "stable" in this sources.list entry?: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 00:37.34 | thingfish | you're going to be puking and unconscious, real soon. |
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| 00:37.37 | stoned | should I toke up right now? I mean, will get strunk |
| 00:37.41 | stoned | wait, droned |
| 00:37.45 | thingfish | stoned: no way man |
| 00:37.46 | stoned | cuz drunk first, stoned second |
| 00:37.51 | cureless | litage: it's ok. They behave differently when versions change. |
| 00:37.54 | thingfish | stoned that will put you over the edge |
| 00:38.02 | pipeline | nvz: larceny |
| 00:38.15 | nvz | I just say that because I read some where that people hit their peak of criminal activity at 35 |
| 00:38.16 | stoned | I must warn you, I shouldn't be chatting on irc right now |
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| 00:38.22 | stoned | more than likely i'll make a fool of myself |
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| 00:38.28 | stoned | if i go out of line, kick me or something |
| 00:38.33 | Ronin | stoned: and that's different how? someone had to say it |
| 00:38.34 | stoned | damn Im drunk |
| 00:38.35 | nvz | pipeline: yeah does over $300 in goods count as grand larceny? |
| 00:38.40 | litage | cureless: thanks. i want to ensure that when etch comes out, i still keep getting security updates for sarge |
| 00:38.42 | pipeline | nvz: I think it has to be a good bit more thna that. |
| 00:38.54 | nvz | pipeline: ah well I guess I didnt hit the mark then |
| 00:39.00 | litage | nvz: i think it has be >$1000 or >$3000 or something |
| 00:39.08 | stoned | hey man |
| 00:39.16 | stoned | I build you at work all day long |
| 00:39.19 | stoned | pipeline I mean |
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| 00:39.22 | nvz | pipeline: we didnt really steal from anyone that day.. the places were being demo'd and they would have had to pay people to take out the pipes we took |
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| 00:39.36 | stoned | ficlomg X |
| 00:39.42 | nvz | pipeline: but thats the kind of things I think about when I am home alone and the lights go out |
| 00:39.48 | stoned | er.. fscking X |
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| 00:40.04 | stoned | well, its not broken in sid right now |
| 00:40.06 | thingfish | stoned: for future reference: don't drink everclear, unless it's severely diluted. |
| 00:40.09 | stoned | wtf is it crashign for |
| 00:40.13 | cureless | someone throw stoned an ubuntu user |
| 00:40.17 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:40.22 | stoned | I RESENT THAT! |
| 00:40.24 | stoned | :( |
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| 00:40.49 | nvz | I played a cross between robin hood and the wet bandits in that ordeal |
| 00:41.06 | fluvvell | which dpkg command list the dependencies of a package |
| 00:41.10 | Ronin | it is nice to see though that im not the only one feeling no pain tonight |
| 00:41.14 | pipeline | stoned: You build pipes? |
| 00:41.28 | thingfish | wet bandits? |
| 00:41.32 | nvz | blowing glass is cool.. but I couldnt imagine making anything useful much less a pipe |
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| 00:41.46 | nvz | thingfish: yeah from the movie home alone.. they robbed you and flooded your house |
| 00:41.59 | Ronin | nvz: watched some glass blowers this summer in halifax, very cool but man what a tough way to make a livign |
| 00:42.00 | thingfish | ah |
| 00:42.03 | pipeline | thingfish: Everclear is perfectly drinkable pure. It's just poison, after all. |
| 00:42.08 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:42.10 | nvz | thingfish: since we stole their pipes.. it was kind of like the wet bandits.. cept we didnt cause any poperty damage due to flood |
| 00:42.32 | thingfish | nvz: well I'm sure it was all in good fun. |
| 00:42.33 | cureless | fluvvell: apt-cache depends package-name |
| 00:42.40 | Ronin | thingfish: famous last words |
| 00:42.43 | nvz | thingfish: mostly and for a small profit |
| 00:42.51 | fluvvell | cureless, cheers thanks |
| 00:43.35 | thingfish | Ronin: good epitaph material, too. :) |
| 00:43.39 | nvz | thingfish: it was still stealing.. but they werent goung to take the time to make the profit on it.. they would have (and did) hit it with a wrecking ball and hauled it all to the dump.. so we did the environment a service as well as ourselves by recycling it |
| 00:43.42 | Ronin | heh |
| 00:43.45 | stoned | pipeline, not really |
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| 00:43.54 | fluvvell | cureless, is there one that says which repository a package is in? |
| 00:43.55 | stoned | pipeline, I'm a manager at Dell |
| 00:44.08 | stoned | pipeline == loyal customers |
| 00:44.10 | netcrash | cureless: thank you ;) will try |
| 00:44.16 | stoned | dvs, I will spank you |
| 00:44.18 | stoned | :/ |
| 00:44.24 | dvs | stoned: doh! |
| 00:44.27 | stoned | don't make fun of a man whos trying to make a living |
| 00:44.31 | Ronin | another reason not to buy dells ;) |
| 00:44.32 | stoned | work is work, dell or not |
| 00:44.33 | stoned | it feeds me |
| 00:44.38 | stoned | so kindly, f off |
| 00:44.39 | stoned | :) |
| 00:44.42 | nvz | thingfish: and at the time I wasnt the only one bored I had two other friends not working that day one with a truck and the other had 3 pipe cutters.. all that was missing was my criminal mastermind to dream up a crime that would leave no evidence |
| 00:44.50 | dvs | stoned: Not even those that work at McD's? |
| 00:45.03 | stoned | dude, work is work, you should never fun of a man because of his job |
| 00:45.06 | stoned | thats just lame and low |
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| 00:45.11 | stoned | I told abrotman the same thing |
| 00:45.15 | pipeline | stoned: Oh. So you're the one I should blame. |
| 00:45.19 | cureless | stoned what area do you work in? |
| 00:45.20 | stoned | if you want to |
| 00:45.30 | Ronin | stoned: i work for the govt,trust me you can make fun of someones job heh |
| 00:45.31 | pipeline | stoned: I work for a firm who are very loyal customers. We hate you. With a passion, to the last man. |
| 00:45.42 | stoned | thats great |
| 00:45.48 | pipeline | stoned: I think we've bought one of just about every dell product. And sent as many back upstream. |
| 00:45.54 | stoned | I fucking hate dell in some respects, and in others, I lov eit |
| 00:45.56 | cureless | I worked for a while as a CSR for Acer computers 'bout 10 years ago. |
| 00:46.03 | nvz | seriously.. I am considering delivering papers for my expenses now.. just so I can become an entrepreneur in my spare time |
| 00:46.06 | stoned | of course, dell sucks, thats why its #25 on fortune 500 |
| 00:46.07 | pipeline | stoned: We're about five RMAs and twenty four months away from ditching Dell for good. |
| 00:46.16 | stoned | sure man |
| 00:46.16 | Ronin | stoned: but its a paycheque and one does what one has to |
| 00:46.18 | pipeline | stoned: (We still have Dell blades out on lease to customers.) |
| 00:46.20 | stoned | bash dell all you want |
| 00:46.27 | pipeline | stoned: Well, you can't argue with the pricing :) |
| 00:46.28 | stoned | jelous much? |
| 00:46.34 | stoned | that you're not micheal dell? |
| 00:46.36 | stoned | whatever man |
| 00:46.40 | stoned | work it work, don't bash me for it |
| 00:46.54 | stoned | s/it/is |
| 00:46.57 | pipeline | Besides, I would gladly work for Dell if the money were right and I enjoyed the job. |
| 00:47.01 | dvs | !blame stoned |
| 00:47.04 | stoned | I love my work man |
| 00:47.09 | stoned | I love dell |
| 00:47.11 | pipeline | Hell, I'd work for the Nazi party if I enjoyed my job enough. |
| 00:47.18 | stoned | they pay good for almost no work at all |
| 00:47.21 | stoned | its great weorking for dell |
| 00:47.25 | pipeline | That doesn't sound like a job I would enjoy :P |
| 00:47.28 | stoned | as far as dell server products go |
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| 00:47.35 | dvs | stoned: sounds like working for a bank |
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| 00:47.38 | nvz | hopefully my cousin will get over here before I get any ideas and give me something to do |
| 00:47.39 | stoned | I'm probably never going to buy anything but a notebook ffrom el |
| 00:47.40 | stoned | em* |
| 00:47.54 | dvs | stoned: terrorist! |
| 00:47.56 | dvs | ;-) |
| 00:48.09 | stoned | NP: Gorguts -|- From Wisdom To Hate -|- " Inverted " -|- (Technical Death Metal) -|- (rating: 10/72) |
| 00:48.10 | stoned | oh shit |
| 00:48.13 | stoned | goddamn mp3 |
| 00:48.26 | stoned | i gotta turn off that goddamn auto spam thingy |
| 00:48.31 | stoned | fucking xchat I swear to god |
| 00:48.31 | cureless | stoned: so you recommend dell notebooks? |
| 00:48.34 | nvz | stoned: I dont mean to be an ass.. but on that terrorist note.. didnt you say you were born outside the states? |
| 00:48.43 | stoned | cureless, for the hardware price, can't match it elsewhere |
| 00:48.48 | stoned | dell notebooks are fucking fantastic |
| 00:48.55 | stoned | of course, desktops, I'll always build those myself |
| 00:48.56 | cureless | stoned: I agree with the price part. |
| 00:49.00 | dvs | stoned: if they don't blow up on you |
| 00:49.07 | cureless | though you are facing some tough competition as of late |
| 00:49.11 | stoned | actually, I'm highest in cust. satisfaction |
| 00:49.18 | cureless | and tell your accounting department to get a handle on things |
| 00:49.19 | stoned | im one of the best managers at my site |
| 00:49.22 | pipeline | Ronin: Err, who the hell waits on the phone? That's what gold support is for, shit. |
| 00:49.25 | stoned | and my Regional manager loves me |
| 00:49.34 | stoned | I'm just a stoner man, laid back |
| 00:49.37 | stoned | people love me |
| 00:49.38 | stoned | :) |
| 00:49.40 | Ronin | pipeline: how many home users have gold support though? |
| 00:49.42 | thingfish | nice, especially since you've only just started there |
| 00:49.49 | stoned | thingfish, I lvoe you man |
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| 00:49.50 | nvz | its not hard to pitch a sale when the price is right |
| 00:49.51 | pipeline | Ronin: Home users can eat a bag of dicks. Fuck'em. |
| 00:49.54 | stoned | i'm drunk, but i lov eyou |
| 00:49.55 | Ronin | heh |
| 00:49.56 | stoned | you're the shit |
| 00:49.58 | stoned | lol |
| 00:50.00 | pipeline | Ronin: Dell barely turns a profit on home users. |
| 00:50.03 | thingfish | stoned: hehe you're drunk |
| 00:50.03 | nvz | and dell and emachines always got the low prices |
| 00:50.09 | pipeline | stoned: You need not announce it. I'm drunk at all times on IRC, I don't whine about it :P |
| 00:50.10 | Ronin | pipeline: yep they love folks like me though |
| 00:50.18 | thingfish | hehe pipeline |
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| 00:50.37 | peteweez | pipeline: Have you ever been so drunk that you hit the wrong keys on the keyboard? |
| 00:50.41 | thingfish | I think I'm kind of drunk right now |
| 00:50.46 | thingfish | but not really too much |
| 00:50.50 | pipeline | peteweez: Oh, probably. |
| 00:50.59 | thingfish | I have the flu so it's hard to tell |
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| 00:51.12 | dvs | thingfish: are you taking medicine? |
| 00:51.25 | thingfish | dvs: just some vitamins |
| 00:51.35 | stoned | pipeline, problem is, I'm a pothead, I hate alcohol with a passion |
| 00:51.46 | stoned | but what can you do if a HOT chic wants to do shots with you |
| 00:51.53 | stoned | of course i'll pr obably never cheat on my wife |
| 00:51.54 | Ronin | stoned: dont you have to pee in a bottle at dell? |
| 00:52.01 | stoned | but fuck dude, shes too hot to say no to |
| 00:52.18 | basscr | how do i configure correctly my ati radeon 9250 agp using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-sfree86, i dont know how to set the bus identifier and the amount pf memory, is there a way to automaticly confire the x, or something, help please, i cant enter the X withput this |
| 00:52.26 | thingfish | hah tell that to future-wifey-to-be |
| 00:52.27 | pipeline | stoned: Here's the great thing: I can drink myself half to death and nobody will say a word. Public intox charges have a way of just disappearing if you throw money at it. Pot's highly illegal: Have fun with your first felony. |
| 00:52.28 | stoned | Ronin, I passed my piss test with a bottle of hand sanitizer, full of clean piss from my roommate |
| 00:52.41 | pipeline | basscr: "lspci", in the pciutils package, will get you the bus ID. |
| 00:52.44 | Ronin | ya that makes me want to buy dells all the more heh |
| 00:52.47 | stoned | pipeline, never had issues with the law |
| 00:52.48 | pipeline | basscr: Just enter 32768 for the amount of memory |
| 00:52.49 | dvs | basscr: leave both the bus id and memory setting blank |
| 00:52.51 | nvz | argh.. tupperware.. could there be anything more aggrivating.. I got like one square one and a little rectangle one.. and I got lids that are the right shape but wrong size... basically I dont have a freaking lid to match any of the containers I can find |
| 00:52.51 | stoned | I'm a responsible user |
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| 00:53.00 | pipeline | stoned: It's only a matter of time. Even trivial possession charges are usually felonies. |
| 00:53.05 | stoned | there are only 3 thigns that make my life go around |
| 00:53.11 | stoned | weed + debian == 1 |
| 00:53.17 | stoned | my woman == 2 |
| 00:53.24 | thingfish | nvz: you seriously need a live-in girlfriend. |
| 00:53.25 | stoned | guitar/metal == 3 |
| 00:53.27 | pipeline | A sad, sad life. |
| 00:53.32 | stoned | thats about all I need |
| 00:53.33 | stoned | :) |
| 00:53.34 | sjr | Anyone know where I can go for pppd help? |
| 00:53.40 | pipeline | sjr: Your local house of worship :( |
| 00:53.42 | cureless | weed + debian == 1?? |
| 00:53.49 | Ronin | wrong order there stoned |
| 00:53.52 | sjr | lol |
| 00:53.53 | stoned | debian takes priority over weed |
| 00:53.54 | stoned | sorry |
| 00:53.56 | sjr | pipeline no seriously |
| 00:53.56 | Ronin | women=sex=1 |
| 00:54.05 | stoned | I'm localizing it, its a lot of work |
| 00:54.08 | nvz | I dont mind the simple pleasures stoned enjoys.. but I like travelling and music and other things too.. like food, air, trees.. |
| 00:54.11 | sjr | I'm not only neededing to use it, but I am developing an application based around it. |
| 00:54.12 | pipeline | sjr: I'm not kidding. |
| 00:54.12 | Ronin | anything else =2 |
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| 00:54.17 | stoned | hell, I doubt my language will be done before etch goes stable |
| 00:54.22 | pipeline | nvz: air and trees are both things that can both fuck off. |
| 00:54.25 | peteweez | woman + man = nag |
| 00:54.25 | stoned | I'm hoping to get done before etch goes stable |
| 00:54.29 | stoned | so I can include my language in it |
| 00:54.31 | Ronin | peteweez: true |
| 00:54.38 | stoned | doesnt look like it though |
| 00:54.41 | nvz | pipeline: hmm what kind of creature are you? |
| 00:54.46 | nvz | pipeline: a fish? |
| 00:54.59 | pipeline | nvz: I spend ~20 hours a day at one of two desks. |
| 00:55.03 | thingfish | stoned: and is this some elvish or hobbit language you've made up? |
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| 00:55.16 | nvz | pipeline: ah. getting paid well for it at least? |
| 00:55.20 | stoned | no |
| 00:55.21 | Althaser | there is no problem if I change /var/lib/menu-xdg/xsessions/blabla.Desktop to /var/lib/menu-xdg/xsessions/aaaaaa.Desktop ? please |
| 00:55.23 | stoned | !ur |
| 00:55.23 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 00:55.29 | stoned | last part of the factoid |
| 00:55.31 | stoned | read please |
| 00:55.33 | nvz | pipeline: I'd get me an air tank and a indoor type tree :P |
| 00:55.37 | peteweez | Yes, some guy did get drunk and then decide to invent a language. It's called esperanto. |
| 00:55.42 | thingfish | ah |
| 00:55.45 | thingfish | urdu |
| 00:55.48 | thingfish | neatp |
| 00:55.50 | stoned | :) |
| 00:55.52 | thingfish | *neato |
| 00:55.54 | stoned | I['m pakistani dude |
| 00:55.59 | stoned | I thought you knew that |
| 00:56.09 | nvz | see I told you he fit the profile |
| 00:56.19 | peteweez | stoned: Wow cool you're from Pakistan? |
| 00:56.24 | nvz | stoned: we still love you even if you are a terrorist |
| 00:56.27 | thingfish | stoned: I guess I wasn't sure |
| 00:56.27 | stoned | lol |
| 00:56.32 | peteweez | stoned: How do you speak such good English? |
| 00:56.39 | stoned | I was born and raised in uk |
| 00:56.42 | nvz | stoned: we dont discriminate |
| 00:56.43 | peteweez | oh ok |
| 00:56.43 | stoned | now i live in usa |
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| 00:56.45 | thingfish | tsk he's as american as you or I |
| 00:56.50 | peteweez | yep |
| 00:56.51 | stoned | word |
| 00:56.58 | stoned | time for a bowl |
| 00:57.00 | stoned | toke time! |
| 00:57.03 | stoned | then update sid |
| 00:57.03 | thingfish | sex, drugs, rock 'n roll - that's international |
| 00:57.04 | stoned | brb |
| 00:57.09 | stoned | actually |
| 00:57.11 | stoned | thingfish, I love you |
| 00:57.12 | peteweez | Man where I live, pot's nothing |
| 00:57.15 | stoned | bu fuck orck n roll |
| 00:57.18 | peteweez | people here do X |
| 00:57.18 | stoned | death emtal all the way |
| 00:57.19 | peteweez | I don't |
| 00:57.20 | stoned | NP: Deeds of Flesh -|- Path Of The Weakening -|- " Indigenous To The Appalling " -|- (Brutal Death Metal) -|- (rating: 0/40) |
| 00:57.21 | stoned | see |
| 00:57.22 | Pons_ | le kujoj ne stij barmaj |
| 00:57.23 | peteweez | but other ppl do |
| 00:57.32 | stoned | before I get busted fo mp3 spaming in sebian |
| 00:57.34 | stoned | i'll go |
| 00:57.57 | cureless | I bet newbies don't even know what channel they're on right now |
| 00:58.13 | nvz | speaking of terrorists and being american.. that whole terrorist thing just made me feel less patriotic and less american.. I am ashamed of this country more with each breath they waste on talking about weapons of mass destruction |
| 00:58.17 | basscr | is there any other way to configure the x? without dpfk-reconfigure, like using xorgcfg or something? |
| 00:58.28 | stoned | nvz, without any drunkenness |
| 00:58.31 | stoned | let me teell you |
| 00:58.32 | pipeline | nvz: Hey, this is the lifestyle I actually enjoy. I leave the house occasionally, to drink and smoke a cigar on the porch. That's as close to outside as I care to get :P |
| 00:58.34 | peteweez | cureless: well technically we're on #debian...but it seems to be #pot&booze right now |
| 00:58.37 | stoned | I chose this country as my home, I love america |
| 00:58.47 | cureless | basscr: what's your problem? try the different drivers, ati, radeon, etc. |
| 00:58.54 | stoned | and quite frankly, people from my part of the world, piss off even I |
| 00:59.01 | stoned | dell has customer care in india |
| 00:59.03 | pipeline | basscr: xf86config will attempt to generate something |
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| 00:59.08 | pipeline | basscr: dpkg-reconfigure is simpler, though. |
| 00:59.11 | stoned | god I hate talking to my own fucking race |
| 00:59.13 | peteweez | Frankly, people here in the U.S.A. piss me off |
| 00:59.16 | thingfish | everybody has customer care in india |
| 00:59.21 | stoned | lol |
| 00:59.21 | SerajewelKS | am i seeing things or does GTK miscalculate the size of a string rendered with freesans? |
| 00:59.22 | pipeline | basscr: radeon driver, 32768 memory, look up the PCI ID via lspci |
| 00:59.23 | nvz | stoned: I like it because for the most part I am ignorant to anything else.. but as I grow older and wiser, and meet people from other countries I start to feel ashamed of my country and the things my people have done |
| 00:59.24 | stoned | thinger man true |
| 00:59.38 | stoned | nvz, you remember my twin |
| 00:59.42 | stoned | ajavid? |
| 00:59.55 | stoned | Guerin remembers him |
| 01:00.02 | stoned | thats all I gotta say about pakistani/indian folk |
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| 01:00.31 | dvs | stoned: I thought Guerin was Korean? |
| 01:00.35 | stoned | he is |
| 01:00.36 | nvz | stoned: ah, I thought that was your otyher nick or something |
| 01:00.40 | stoned | but he had to deal with my brother |
| 01:00.46 | stoned | nvz, nah |
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| 01:00.49 | dvs | !pity Guerin |
| 01:00.49 | dpkg | I pity da fool Guerin! |
| 01:00.51 | stoned | ajavid is my twin |
| 01:00.59 | stoned | he still lives wityh my folks in baton rouge |
| 01:01.01 | thingfish | yeah well dumb pakistani folk are probably no different than dumb midwestern usa folk. |
| 01:01.04 | nvz | stoned: ah.. you have a twin brother? |
| 01:01.09 | stoned | nvz, yup |
| 01:01.27 | stoned | remember, is he disabled |
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| 01:01.32 | nvz | stoned: are you identical twins? |
| 01:01.32 | thingfish | I mean, dumb is dumb. |
| 01:01.35 | stoned | yes |
| 01:01.38 | stoned | identical |
| 01:01.43 | stoned | except in our thinking |
| 01:01.48 | nvz | that myst be weird |
| 01:01.52 | stoned | he was raise din pakistan, while I grew up with my mom in america |
| 01:01.57 | stoned | totally different twins |
| 01:02.00 | stoned | except looks |
| 01:02.02 | nvz | I;d have to fuck with people if someone else looked just like me |
| 01:02.05 | stoned | he went to gentoo |
| 01:02.07 | stoned | he hates debian |
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| 01:02.12 | stoned | I hate everything but debian |
| 01:02.13 | stoned | lol |
| 01:02.25 | stoned | he said people in #debian are assholes |
| 01:02.34 | stoned | I was like dude, I've been here for YEARS without a problem |
| 01:02.36 | stoned | wtf is with you |
| 01:02.38 | stoned | I dunno man |
| 01:02.41 | stoned | hes a tool |
| 01:02.44 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i uninstalled php5 from suse and it refused to install it again |
| 01:02.46 | stoned | I still love him, hes my brother |
| 01:02.48 | nvz | stoned: apperently not if you work with windows.. I had many chances to lead a better life and get well paid to go to the dark side.. I turned them down |
| 01:03.02 | stoned | nvz, I know exactly what you mean |
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| 01:03.12 | stoned | I don't feel comfortable stealing money from dumb windows users for removing spyware |
| 01:03.17 | stoned | unethical for me |
| 01:03.19 | stoned | I can't deal with it |
| 01:03.24 | stoned | I dunno bout you |
| 01:03.27 | nvz | yeah I couldnt do it either |
| 01:03.31 | stoned | but I hate windows and iwndows support for that reason laone |
| 01:03.33 | stoned | alone* |
| 01:03.34 | SerajewelKS | stoned: hence spybot |
| 01:03.40 | nvz | I was tired of making up excuses about why things were breaking |
| 01:03.55 | nvz | when I knew it was a software problem I could only mask and not fix without rights and source |
| 01:03.57 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i usually say "because windows sucks" =) |
| 01:04.20 | stoned | SerajewelKS, I don't use suse, dunno about it, NEVER used it |
| 01:04.25 | stoned | i know debian though :) |
| 01:04.26 | Coweater | just tell the truth, they won't understand it and won't ask anymore |
| 01:04.33 | SerajewelKS | then i proceed to try to demonstrate linux and something crashes |
| 01:04.41 | nvz | SerajewelKS: yeah well I was regarded as a savior to most of these people they would worship me.. I hated that being my professional opinion of something I was suppose to be a wizard at dealing with |
| 01:04.46 | SerajewelKS | stoned: yeah it sucks, trust me. more than fedora. |
| 01:05.08 | stoned | I'm a sales manager, and dell is MS;s bigges reseller, I still tell my customers to go to openoffice and other stuff |
| 01:05.13 | nvz | I gotta run to the store and get some gas in that POS of mine.. be back later |
| 01:05.20 | SerajewelKS | nvz: most of my ITS department agrees with me. but we still use windows. |
| 01:05.20 | stoned | though it hurts my revenue/margin quotea, I don't give a shit |
| 01:05.25 | stoned | I can't do unethical crap man |
| 01:05.34 | stoned | fuck windows |
| 01:05.42 | stoned | with all sincerity |
| 01:05.47 | stoned | sinceretiy |
| 01:05.52 | stoned | fuck I can't spell when I'm drunk |
| 01:06.03 | SerajewelKS | i have to say gnome is a lot more usable. not as many parts = not as much broken. |
| 01:06.03 | stoned | if I become too offtopic let me konw |
| 01:06.07 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:06.12 | thingfish | you had it right the first time |
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| 01:06.23 | dvs | stoned: It's quiet. Don't worry about it |
| 01:06.36 | fluvvell | and somewhat entertaining... |
| 01:06.41 | dvs | stoned: and no ops are here either |
| 01:06.45 | dvs | ;-) |
| 01:07.04 | stoned | im about to be 'droned' |
| 01:07.11 | stoned | drunk+stoned |
| 01:07.12 | stoned | :D |
| 01:07.18 | pipeline | told u i wuz hardcor |
| 01:07.22 | stoned | lol |
| 01:07.29 | stoned | i lvoe you pipeline too man |
| 01:07.31 | stoned | you're cool as shit |
| 01:08.00 | stoned | after 12 hours of work, weed feels so nice |
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| 01:08.07 | stoned | sweet, sid updated today |
| 01:08.15 | thingfish | stoned: why'd you have to pull a 12 hour shift? |
| 01:08.20 | stoned | hey, whats the word on a cron job for updating a sid box everyday |
| 01:08.21 | stoned | ? |
| 01:08.31 | stoned | is that not a good practice? |
| 01:08.38 | stoned | I usually use listbugs and listchanges |
| 01:08.50 | stoned | but of course when I'm not around I set a script to do it for me |
| 01:09.06 | stoned | so far over the years sid hasn't broken for me a lot, but whats the word on it anyway |
| 01:09.21 | SerajewelKS | stoned: even on stable it's kind of dumb |
| 01:09.28 | stoned | I figured as much |
| 01:10.20 | stoned | !stoned |
| 01:10.23 | stoned | :D |
| 01:10.30 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:10.36 | dvs | yipes! |
| 01:10.38 | stoned | I dunon who made thsi for me |
| 01:10.45 | thingfish | ugh |
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| 01:11.42 | stoned | damnb man, how long does it take to get undrunk off 3 25 ml (75 ml) of ever clear |
| 01:12.03 | fluvvell | stoned: about 16 cups of black cofee |
| 01:12.07 | stoned | damn |
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| 01:12.30 | stoned | I might be making a fool of myself while I'm drunk, I feel embarrassed already |
| 01:12.32 | stoned | :( |
| 01:12.45 | stoned | hell I never really even talk this much |
| 01:12.46 | simmerz | can I still upgrade to etch while running a 2.4 kernel? |
| 01:12.54 | dvs | simmerz: yes |
| 01:12.55 | stoned | simmerz, afaik, no |
| 01:13.04 | simmerz | hmmm. |
| 01:13.19 | dvs | simmerz: upgrading to etch won't change the kernel. |
| 01:13.29 | stoned | well, hmm |
| 01:13.31 | simmerz | dvs: I know, but etch doesn't use devfs any more does it? |
| 01:13.33 | stoned | dvs might be right |
| 01:13.45 | stoned | not too sure on it though |
| 01:13.57 | dvs | simmerz: but devfs is a feature of the kernel |
| 01:14.08 | stoned | fuck devfs, udev is bomb |
| 01:14.10 | stoned | :D |
| 01:14.17 | dvs | !lart stoned |
| 01:14.23 | dvs | good call |
| 01:14.25 | stoned | :( |
| 01:14.33 | simmerz | dvs: stoned: yep, but 2.4 doesn't support udev |
| 01:14.43 | stoned | simmerz, of course |
| 01:14.50 | dvs | simmerz: true |
| 01:14.54 | simmerz | so it won't actually matter if its in kernelspace? |
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| 01:15.00 | stoned | not at all |
| 01:15.21 | simmerz | hmmm, so the userspace tools are irrelevant? |
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| 01:15.46 | stoned | what are you looking to do? |
| 01:15.58 | stoned | is there a certain reason why you'd want to keep 2.4.x? |
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| 01:16.49 | simmerz | stoned: its a vm running under uml. my hosting company is waiting until they launch xen to migrate to 2.5 |
| 01:16.51 | simmerz | 2.6 even |
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| 01:17.17 | simmerz | xen is happening in january or so, but I'd quite like to move stuff over to etch sooner. |
| 01:17.51 | simmerz | small annoyances like postgres 7.4 in sarge, and fetchmail 6.2.5 (gives out a bad smtp helo) |
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| 01:19.05 | stoned | etch will hopefully be stable by then |
| 01:19.13 | stoned | depending on how may RC bugs we still have |
| 01:19.22 | dvs | stoned: try 2008 |
| 01:19.23 | stoned | scheduled for realease in Dec. but thats just the schedule |
| 01:19.33 | stoned | we still have a lot of work to do |
| 01:19.41 | stoned | hell, why don' tyou contribute |
| 01:19.43 | stoned | help us |
| 01:19.43 | stoned | :) |
| 01:19.48 | simmerz | stoned: I do when I can. |
| 01:19.52 | stoned | word |
| 01:20.00 | stoned | file as many bugs as you can |
| 01:20.04 | stoned | so we can get them resolved |
| 01:20.05 | stoned | thanks |
| 01:20.08 | simmerz | but I don't have time to run a pure debian test box for that purpose |
| 01:20.19 | stoned | buy one for 50 bucks man |
| 01:20.24 | stoned | 233mhz p2 |
| 01:20.25 | simmerz | time. not money |
| 01:20.27 | stoned | cheap as fuck |
| 01:20.31 | stoned | ahhh, true, time is money |
| 01:20.38 | dvs | stoned: from Dell(tm)? |
| 01:20.42 | stoned | 15 minutes of my time is worth 500k |
| 01:20.44 | stoned | :( |
| 01:20.52 | simmerz | dvs: wouldn't be able to run linux, let alone dos! |
| 01:20.56 | stoned | er.. 50k |
| 01:20.58 | stoned | typo |
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| 01:21.16 | dendrite | Time spent on IRC... Priceless. |
| 01:21.20 | stoned | indeed |
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| 01:21.27 | stoned | dendrite, brilliant nickname btw |
| 01:21.34 | dendrite | stoned: Thanks. |
| 01:21.36 | stoned | not too many folks are into neuropsychriatry |
| 01:21.44 | dvs | who? |
| 01:21.46 | Canucky | Create custom clipart & funny ecards on http://www.txt2pic.com ;) |
| 01:21.48 | stoned | or neurology for that matter |
| 01:21.57 | DrRighteous | can someone tell me what package I have to install in order to get NPTL (Native Posix Threading Library)? |
| 01:22.03 | simmerz | out of interest, what news is there re a faster release cycle that was muted last year? |
| 01:22.07 | dendrite | stoned: Or finely branching structures in general. =) |
| 01:22.13 | stoned | :) |
| 01:22.21 | shasbot | is there a web listing of the apt get repositories i can look at? |
| 01:22.28 | stoned | dendrite, I did NOT expect to see you in freenode |
| 01:22.37 | stoned | I thought you were a oftc #debian guy |
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| 01:23.06 | dendrite | stoned: I was here before the oftc move, then was on oftc for a while, then decided to tame the irssi config beast, and so now I'm on both. |
| 01:23.17 | stoned | word |
| 01:23.20 | stoned | irssi == bomb |
| 01:23.28 | stoned | especially since 0.10 |
| 01:24.01 | dendrite | Seems to work well enough for me, though I only scratch the surface of what's possible. |
| 01:24.08 | stoned | shasbot, /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 01:24.25 | shasbot | thanks stoned |
| 01:24.27 | stoned | shasbot, all you have in your system, find it in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:24.32 | stoned | sure anytime |
| 01:24.44 | stoned | !dpkgbo |
| 01:24.46 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 01:24.46 | dpkg | from memory, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 01:24.46 | shasbot | ha, i dont have a debian install yet, considering switching |
| 01:24.59 | stoned | debian is fantastic mate |
| 01:25.12 | stoned | the only distro that satisfies ALL my needs besides sex and weed |
| 01:25.20 | stoned | quite literally |
| 01:25.21 | dvs | and speed? |
| 01:25.27 | stoned | I hate uppers |
| 01:25.30 | stoned | im a downer kinda guy |
| 01:25.31 | shasbot | ah, gentoo comes with sex and weed too |
| 01:25.44 | nevyn | apt-get install dopewars |
| 01:26.30 | Canucky | Make free images & funny ecards on http://www.txt2pic.com ;) |
| 01:26.34 | basscr | hi guys, here again, i dpkg-reconfigure the xserver again, and there is no driver for radeon, there is only for ari, y chose that, and my lspci tells me that the id bus is 000:01:00.0, but when i put it, it tells me it isn't in the right format |
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| 01:26.55 | stoned | you have to convert the formattte string |
| 01:27.01 | stoned | lspci -X should tell you |
| 01:27.08 | stoned | depending on which flavor of debian |
| 01:27.19 | stoned | -X i think was deprecated in etch/sid |
| 01:27.24 | stoned | i might be wrong |
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| 01:27.28 | DrRighteous | alas, everytime I try to buy weed, I get really good looking oregino... |
| 01:27.46 | Stevie | DrRighteous: you know what that means? |
| 01:28.05 | DrRighteous | Im a big white guy that unfortunitly looks like a narc? |
| 01:28.08 | Stevie | If you ever need to get some good oregano, you know exactly where to go. |
| 01:28.13 | stoned | the free driver for radeon might not suit your needs |
| 01:28.38 | basscr | stoned, i have an ati radeon 9250 |
| 01:28.55 | dvs | basscr: the free driver is good enough |
| 01:28.56 | nevyn | basscr: that's the best supported card.. |
| 01:28.58 | stoned | !fglrx |
| 01:28.59 | dpkg | somebody said fglrx was add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), but it's in sid only, not in etch, or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 01:29.04 | Stevie | I have the Radeon 9500 ASC |
| 01:29.08 | stoned | I think* not sure though |
| 01:29.11 | nevyn | dvs: your english has funny syntax |
| 01:29.15 | stoned | I've never bought ati, fuck ati, nvidia is the shiz |
| 01:29.22 | basscr | when i startx it tells me "no screens found" and "no devices detected" |
| 01:29.34 | dvs | nevyn: oooooooookay |
| 01:29.34 | nevyn | dvs: surely you mean no additional functionality is availible if you compramise your freedom |
| 01:30.06 | stoned | nvidia is linux natively friendly |
| 01:30.11 | stoned | nvidia peopel are awesome |
| 01:30.13 | stoned | I love nv |
| 01:30.17 | dvs | nevyn: Let me rephrase that: the XFree/X.org driver is good enough |
| 01:30.21 | nevyn | now' your just baiting |
| 01:30.23 | stoned | nvidia when I use twinview on my box |
| 01:30.23 | nevyn | nope. |
| 01:30.34 | stoned | btw, this is MY personal opinion, not a fact |
| 01:30.36 | stoned | duh! |
| 01:31.12 | basscr | when it tells me to chose a driver in dpkg-reconfigure, there is no radeon, just ati |
| 01:31.17 | basscr | ati should worik? |
| 01:31.37 | stoned | I'm no ati expert, sorry |
| 01:31.37 | dvs | basscr: ati will load the radeon driver |
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| 01:31.38 | stoned | :( |
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| 01:32.05 | Tarantulafudge | There seems to be xserver-xorg dpkg configure messed up, says input can't be null no matter what |
| 01:32.06 | stoned | I wish the nv driver would support twinview properly |
| 01:32.17 | stoned | soon as that happens, I have no more need for nvidia |
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| 01:32.23 | stoned | oh and 3d as well |
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| 01:32.48 | stoned | right now on my sid box I have to recompile the fscking nvidia driver for each new kernel update |
| 01:32.51 | stoned | pisses me off |
| 01:33.10 | nevyn | so don't automatically upgrade kernels |
| 01:33.16 | nevyn | uninstall linux-kernel-2.6 |
| 01:33.19 | simmerz | so what is the deal with the release cycle for debian? |
| 01:33.21 | nevyn | -arch |
| 01:33.27 | stoned | I support debian, I have to stay on top, for that, I must have the latests packages |
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| 01:33.34 | nevyn | simmerz: it doubles every release |
| 01:33.35 | dvs | simmerz: it varies. a LOT |
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| 01:33.39 | nevyn | ;) |
| 01:33.50 | beardy | !wir |
| 01:33.50 | dpkg | methinks wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 01:33.56 | Tarantulafudge | how can I force a dpkg pending configuration to NEVER happen? |
| 01:33.58 | basscr | whats the syntax to put the bus id? lspci tells me it is 0000:01:00.0, but when i put it it tells me it is in the wrong format |
| 01:34.05 | stoned | etch is 'due' in dec. |
| 01:34.06 | simmerz | nevyn: dvs: so what about the call that matthew garratt made to shorten it? |
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| 01:34.11 | dvs | basscr: don't put one |
| 01:34.12 | stoned | might be spring though |
| 01:34.28 | beardy | basscr: Do you have more than one graphics card? |
| 01:34.28 | gravity | simmerz: He and a zillion other people. It doesn't matter. |
| 01:34.33 | dvs | simmerz: it'll take a near miracle to be longer then three years. |
| 01:34.37 | nevyn | dvs: the construct I object to is your implication that the proprietary drivers are better than the free and open source driver. |
| 01:34.40 | stoned | gravity, whats up mate |
| 01:34.44 | basscr | beardy |
| 01:34.46 | basscr | no |
| 01:34.56 | beardy | basscr: What dvs said then. |
| 01:34.59 | dvs | nevyn: I didn't say that |
| 01:35.06 | gravity | simmerz: The goal is to release it 1.5 years after Sarge. Everyone is working towards that. You're welcome to help out if you're interested. |
| 01:35.09 | gravity | stoned: Heya |
| 01:35.12 | stoned | gravity, you borked my debian the other week |
| 01:35.14 | stoned | I hate you :( |
| 01:35.16 | stoned | :D |
| 01:35.18 | gravity | I'm good at that |
| 01:35.20 | stoned | lol |
| 01:35.32 | nevyn | dvs: by saying that the free drivers are "good enough" you implied that the non-free driver is better" |
| 01:35.40 | dvs | gravity: now get my TV card to work again. ;-) |
| 01:35.47 | beardy | !better |
| 01:35.47 | dpkg | it has been said that better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 01:35.55 | gravity | dvs: It's broken? |
| 01:35.58 | nevyn | beardy: sure. |
| 01:36.13 | simmerz | gravity: ok, so will 1.5 years be the goal for each release henceforth? or is the committee trying to drop it to closer to a 6/12 month cycle? |
| 01:36.17 | dvs | nevyn: No, I meant that the free drivers fully support his card and going to the closed source drivers are pointless |
| 01:36.25 | gravity | simmerz: "committee?" |
| 01:36.30 | beardy | navThey are good enough as in they do what they do good, but not what they don't do at all, which is 3D. |
| 01:36.33 | dvs | gravity: I just got a Radeon X1600 Pro so it's my fault. ;-) |
| 01:36.38 | simmerz | gravity: well, I should say "committee" in very loose terms |
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| 01:36.44 | nevyn | so why didn't you say that.. which clearly expresses the situation. |
| 01:36.47 | simmerz | gravity: and I help out where I can, in small doses |
| 01:36.51 | Tarantulafudge | anyone? |
| 01:36.51 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 01:36.52 | gravity | simmerz: I won't speak for the release team. I don't know what their plans are for after etch. |
| 01:36.53 | Bhavesh | has there ever been less than 500 people on here? |
| 01:37.07 | beardy | Yes. |
| 01:37.13 | Bhavesh | i missed that time |
| 01:37.24 | dvs | nevyn: That was a mouthful. Lazy I guess |
| 01:37.42 | dvs | Bhavesh: when the server crashes |
| 01:37.44 | Bhavesh | i think i can find this out else where but anyone know from top of their head which version of kde is in testing? |
| 01:38.02 | Bhavesh | dvs: oh i thought this was hosted on multiple servers ( freenode.org i mean) |
| 01:38.03 | nevyn | even to say then the drivers included with xorg would be best for your situation. |
| 01:38.23 | beardy | Bhavesh: /msg dpkg search |
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| 01:38.41 | dvs | nevyn: or to say that the free drivers are best for your card. |
| 01:38.51 | stoned | anyne know any polish? |
| 01:38.52 | gravity | simmerz: I think the team is largely concerned with getting Etch out the door right now rather than really planning for etch+1 |
| 01:38.56 | beardy | !po |
| 01:38.56 | dpkg | i heard po is Piss Off or Post Office |
| 01:39.01 | gravity | simmerz: So I don't think anyone knows right now. |
| 01:39.03 | beardy | ehm.. |
| 01:39.12 | stoned | gravity, how are we doing on RC bugs as of right now? |
| 01:39.21 | stoned | last months I believe we were at 250+ |
| 01:39.22 | gravity | stoned: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 01:39.34 | gravity | I haven't looked. I've got enough of my own to contend with right now |
| 01:39.40 | stoned | of course |
| 01:40.11 | gravity | Yeah, around 250. I'm going to kill a few myself tonight |
| 01:40.13 | stoned | 247 |
| 01:40.17 | stoned | word |
| 01:40.21 | stoned | good luck dude |
| 01:40.24 | stoned | :) |
| 01:40.26 | gravity | These are easy ones |
| 01:41.20 | stoned | I hope I get undrunk off this everclear soon |
| 01:41.24 | stoned | :/ |
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| 01:42.22 | beardy | (as a reference to the lower than 500 here, heh) |
| 01:42.32 | stoned | hey man |
| 01:42.36 | stoned | what you been upto |
| 01:42.39 | Bhavesh | methinks it's kde 3.5 |
| 01:43.21 | beardy | stoned: I have just taken a vacation from #debian. |
| 01:43.28 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:43.33 | stoned | I think we all could use one |
| 01:43.37 | beardy | Yeah. |
| 01:43.45 | stoned | too much fucking work |
| 01:43.46 | dvs | beardy: and here you come crawling back. ;-) |
| 01:43.56 | stoned | I've been trying to get urdu localized before etch goes stable |
| 01:43.57 | beardy | dvs: Yeah, sad isn't it.. |
| 01:44.01 | stoned | but /me sighs |
| 01:44.04 | stoned | not gonna happen |
| 01:44.49 | stoned | who can resist debian, right? |
| 01:44.51 | stoned | :) |
| 01:45.09 | dvs | stoned: you pushin' Debian? |
| 01:45.14 | stoned | trying to |
| 01:45.50 | stoned | the more customer care assholes I talk to in india, the more pissed off at Dell I get |
| 01:45.56 | stoned | I still love my work though |
| 01:46.00 | stoned | I enjoy is immensely |
| 01:46.03 | stoned | it* |
| 01:46.03 | nevyn | but they're customer CARE people |
| 01:46.06 | dvs | stoned: what seems to be the problem? |
| 01:46.06 | nevyn | they CARE |
| 01:46.34 | stoned | dvs, personally, I don't care where you live, where you come from, or what accent or skin color you have |
| 01:46.40 | stoned | all that matters to me is how you handle shit in your lfie |
| 01:46.53 | stoned | and apparantly, none of the indian peope that work for dell are normal |
| 01:47.03 | dvs | normal? |
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| 01:47.07 | dvs | or sane? |
| 01:47.08 | stoned | hell, im not even rnomal |
| 01:47.12 | stoned | and if I'm talking shit on my own race |
| 01:47.16 | stoned | it should tel lyou soemthing |
| 01:47.18 | stoned | shoudl mean something |
| 01:47.19 | stoned | right? |
| 01:47.28 | Bhavesh | stoned: u are not stony on efnet are ya? |
| 01:47.32 | stoned | no |
| 01:47.33 | stoned | fuck efnet |
| 01:47.37 | Bhavesh | just checking |
| 01:47.39 | stoned | :D |
| 01:47.51 | Bhavesh | cant.. too many machines :P |
| 01:47.56 | stoned | lol |
| 01:48.01 | dvs | stoned: You've been Americanized!!! |
| 01:48.03 | stoned | not literally |
| 01:48.06 | Bhavesh | oh |
| 01:48.08 | stoned | dvs, quite true |
| 01:48.17 | Bhavesh | s/puts/pulls |
| 01:48.33 | stoned | dvs, I gew up in south westbury, near bristol uk |
| 01:48.52 | stoned | and south yourkshire, near edinburhghe, scotland |
| 01:48.55 | beardy | !uksmite stoned |
| 01:49.06 | raf256 | peace mon stoned |
| 01:49.12 | raf256 | keep it up in da streets mon |
| 01:49.20 | stoned | raf256, as long as you respect the debian devs i have no problem with you |
| 01:49.21 | stoned | :) |
| 01:49.54 | Bhavesh | i was trying to help debian but not enough cash to do something big |
| 01:50.07 | Bhavesh | like setup a mirror (do they need some?) |
| 01:50.21 | stoned | Bhavesh, so long as you volunteer tech support here in #debian, you've more than paid your dues |
| 01:50.27 | beardy | Bhavesh: Probably not. Help with work instead. Translation, development, and so on. |
| 01:50.31 | stoned | thats more than what most people would do |
| 01:50.38 | stoned | kudos |
| 01:51.33 | Bhavesh | well i been using debian for a long time but it's been simple email/surf net kinda use.. but i started coming here for help but i am glad i was able to answer a couple of questions |
| 01:52.06 | Bhavesh | i am sure there are people who know even less then me so i can help them :) and *I* get help from experts |
| 01:52.21 | tuv | a friend of mine asked me: why is debian better than fedora? looking for good answers! |
| 01:52.37 | beardy | !tell tuv -about why debian |
| 01:52.41 | raf256 | tuv: t have cooler logo |
| 01:52.43 | stoned | better is a relative term |
| 01:52.50 | raf256 | tuv: better apt-get |
| 01:52.53 | Bhavesh | i like debian on servers for stability |
| 01:53.01 | stoned | fedora is better for people who like it, are used to it, etc. |
| 01:53.10 | stoned | everytying has its own place |
| 01:53.11 | tuv | raf256, right.. i had that in mind, but how is apt better than yum? |
| 01:53.23 | stoned | dependency resolvsing |
| 01:53.28 | tuv | stoned, well why is debian better for you? |
| 01:53.33 | stoned | in fact, aptitude is better than apt in that respect |
| 01:53.36 | stoned | give aptitude a shot sometime |
| 01:53.41 | stoned | fantastic wrapper for dpkg-deb |
| 01:53.43 | Bhavesh | i started using aptitude |
| 01:53.44 | tuv | stoned, doesn't yum do dependency resolution |
| 01:53.46 | stoned | word on that |
| 01:54.00 | beardy | tuv: If he likes Fedora, let him use it, we all know Debian is better, but perhaps he doesn't think so, let him try Debian, and help him, other than that, leave it. (just advice, if you force him using something he doesn't like, you'll get all the whineing) |
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| 01:54.19 | raf256 | $ aptitude moo -vvvvv |
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| 01:54.24 | dos000 | is there a way to force installation of suggested pkg in apt-get ? |
| 01:54.35 | Bhavesh | beardy: i think that's what he is trying to do .. make the other person realize why HE/US think debian is better |
| 01:54.36 | craigbass1976 | I'm trying to do a net install. Does anyone knw off the topp of their head which mirror is somewhere near the northeast US? |
| 01:54.37 | stoned | dos000, what are you looking to accomplish? |
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| 01:54.54 | tuv | beardy, hey, he is a friend, not my son, so i can't force him and not trying to. i'm just trying to have an answer to such a question |
| 01:55.02 | dos000 | stoned: i want to install monotone and it has a bunch of dependencies |
| 01:55.25 | stoned | dos000, dependencies get automatically resolved/installed |
| 01:55.34 | craigbass1976 | Also, I didn't get to pick the software I wanted to install yet. Did I mess up, or does that happen after? |
| 01:55.35 | stoned | dos000, whats the exact problem you are facing |
| 01:55.39 | dos000 | stoned: sorry .. its suggested pkgs |
| 01:55.49 | beardy | tuv: Well, you got some urls to read there. |
| 01:55.50 | craigbass1976 | Wondering if I was supposed to pick the expert install |
| 01:55.57 | stoned | dos000, then its not dependant on it, whats the problem? |
| 01:56.02 | Bhavesh | tuv: i like it 1. stability 2. easy upgrade 3. able to play on bleeding edge with unstable |
| 01:56.17 | stoned | !sid faq |
| 01:56.18 | dpkg | well, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 01:56.25 | beardy | craigbass1976: If you are not sure, probably not. But it shouldn't be a problem, are you having a problem? |
| 01:56.25 | stoned | please read ^^ before using sid |
| 01:56.26 | stoned | thanks |
| 01:56.29 | dos000 | stoned: i was thinking there was a way of forcing them to be dependent .. i.e. install them as well |
| 01:56.49 | stoned | dos000, why? |
| 01:57.02 | craigbass1976 | Well, I tried a mirror that said somethign about louisville, which I figured is quie a bit closer than the usc mirrors, but it borked. |
| 01:57.09 | stoned | don't install a package unless you know what it does "round about" and why you need it |
| 01:57.13 | dos000 | stoned: because otherwise i have to do them manually each one |
| 01:57.16 | stoned | common policy |
| 01:57.21 | Bhavesh | ok i just updated my installation to testing |
| 01:57.28 | beardy | craigbass1976: Just try another one? |
| 01:57.32 | Bhavesh | it if breaks.. i will re-re-re-reinstall it |
| 01:57.52 | stoned | my sid box has been running for years without a re install :D |
| 01:58.32 | Bhavesh | stoned: i manage to break it so badly that it's easier to fix by reinstall :) |
| 01:58.40 | stoned | heh |
| 01:58.41 | Bhavesh | than try to fix the install |
| 01:58.44 | stoned | I was there once |
| 01:58.50 | stoned | when I was new to debian years ago |
| 01:58.57 | stoned | its ok, thats how you learn |
| 01:59.04 | stoned | instead of re installing, try to fix it |
| 01:59.19 | Bhavesh | stoned: i think you are right.. you would learn more by trying to fix it |
| 02:00.15 | dos000 | Bhavesh: if you want to fix/learn go with gentoo ... otherwise just do debian |
| 02:00.38 | tuv | why would grub refuse to install using etch's d-i beta3 ? says: cannot install. fatal error |
| 02:00.46 | shpond | dunno |
| 02:01.11 | stoned | there is really no reason to run gentoo |
| 02:01.16 | Bhavesh | dos000: i used it before |
| 02:01.19 | stoned | you can compile from source with debian as well |
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| 02:01.30 | stoned | modify the source, compile with your own uflags |
| 02:01.31 | stoned | whatever |
| 02:01.38 | tuv | !greenhouse |
| 02:01.39 | Bhavesh | done debian/slackware/redhat/suse |
| 02:01.39 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 02:01.41 | bofh80 | it's me again :D |
| 02:01.42 | stoned | gentoo is eh, whatever man |
| 02:01.44 | odla | tuv, i had that happen |
| 02:01.47 | minerale | I have this one daemon that keeps dying on me tspc that keeps dying on me, how can I set it up to automatically restart, and where can I find out why it's dying? I suspect that cp /etc/init.d/tspc /etc/default might fix this... will it ? |
| 02:01.53 | stoned | !start a distro war |
| 02:01.53 | dpkg | MEPIS owns! |
| 02:02.00 | stoned | dpkg, you rul |
| 02:02.02 | stoned | doh |
| 02:02.05 | craigbass1976 | What I'm worried about is that the debian OS from osdisc.com is 15 discs. If I didn't pick particular packages, am I starting a 15 disc download? Or will I be able to pick packages at some point after the mirror part of the install. Seems like I am too late, but not sure. |
| 02:02.21 | stoned | craigbass1976, /msg dpkg install guide |
| 02:02.33 | Bhavesh | bbl |
| 02:02.37 | stoned | craigbass1976, read sections 4 & 5 please |
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| 02:02.53 | stoned | especially 4 |
| 02:03.17 | bofh80 | i have nvidia-glx installed. if i run quake3, and set it to a lower resolution than my desktop, my monitor stays at my desktop resolution and draws a smaller box (ie 800x600) in bottom cornor of screen. erm?! |
| 02:03.35 | craigbass1976 | Thanks. I was looking for something like that, but couldn't find it on the site yet. |
| 02:03.45 | stoned | bofh80, switch to a lower resolution before you start the game |
| 02:03.51 | tuv | odla, did you work out? and how? |
| 02:04.02 | tuv | odla, did you work it out? and how? |
| 02:04.03 | craigbass1976 | Is sarge a newer woody? |
| 02:04.03 | stoned | bofh80, sdl/ogl, both have problems with playing full screen games |
| 02:04.19 | stoned | craigbass1976, yes, it is the current stabble version |
| 02:04.21 | tuv | craigbass1976, a newer debian stable |
| 02:04.22 | stoned | stable* |
| 02:04.26 | craigbass1976 | Oh. Ok |
| 02:04.43 | odla | tuv, i just installed lilo and installed grub after installing etch |
| 02:04.47 | bofh80 | stoned, your telling my that is a feature right. there's no fix, like making it spawn it's on X in another terminal? :D |
| 02:04.56 | odla | tuv, and did i work out...yes at sometime in my life i have |
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| 02:05.08 | stoned | no fix |
| 02:05.10 | stoned | right |
| 02:05.13 | odla | tuv, how? with weights and running |
| 02:05.16 | odla | :) |
| 02:05.20 | stoned | just switch res. before you start the game |
| 02:05.22 | bofh80 | balls |
| 02:05.25 | stoned | for fullscreen |
| 02:05.26 | basscr | me again, i'm stuck here trying to configure my video card, it doesnt let me start the X, says that "no screens found" and "no device found", i have an ati radeon 9250, and also the integrated video card (it is unplug obviusly), but i think this may be causing problems, i dont know how to put the bus id in the xserver configuration, it is 0000:01:00.0, but tells it is in the wring format |
| 02:05.29 | tuv | odla, that's more than i need to know :) |
| 02:05.31 | stoned | bofh80, yeah, shti happens |
| 02:05.37 | stoned | for example |
| 02:05.39 | stoned | look what happened to you |
| 02:05.39 | stoned | ;) |
| 02:05.41 | stoned | j/k |
| 02:06.03 | bofh80 | stoned, any idea about monitoring temp? the description for nvidia-settings say it shows temperature. but it doesn't. :S |
| 02:06.11 | stoned | damn, that ever clear got me so drunk I can't feel my mouth or tase the weed even |
| 02:06.13 | nevyn | leave off the .0 |
| 02:06.13 | stoned | FUCK! |
| 02:06.24 | craigbass1976 | stoned, Ahh. Thanks for the link. |
| 02:06.32 | stoned | craigbass1976, sure |
| 02:06.43 | bofh80 | stoned, my openGL games keep crashing. i think the cards overheating cos of the heatsink i put on it (it is a Zalman tho) . but can' thcekc :P |
| 02:06.44 | stoned | lmsensors |
| 02:06.53 | bofh80 | i think that tells me to f**k off |
| 02:06.57 | odla | stoned, you're drinking everclear? ha he heha |
| 02:06.59 | stoned | I don't deal with hw much' |
| 02:07.06 | stoned | :/ |
| 02:07.06 | bofh80 | i have a motherboard that has temperature sensors and it doesn't pick them up either :( |
| 02:07.19 | bofh80 | stoned, good to know. heheh. |
| 02:07.37 | stoned | stoned is usually always stoned too |
| 02:07.37 | stoned | ;) |
| 02:07.41 | bofh80 | me too |
| 02:07.42 | bofh80 | :D |
| 02:07.44 | stoned | word |
| 02:07.47 | stoned | btw |
| 02:07.51 | stoned | for reference |
| 02:07.52 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 02:07.52 | dpkg | from memory, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 02:07.53 | hburchey | Why does "rsh root@myhost" prompt me for a password even though "rsh root@myhost ls" doesn't? |
| 02:07.59 | bofh80 | we're slightly flooding the chaneel. :) |
| 02:08.07 | stoned | no we are not |
| 02:08.12 | bofh80 | heheheh. |
| 02:08.28 | stoned | im way too drunk for this shit right now |
| 02:08.29 | stoned | damn |
| 02:08.32 | stoned | I'm gonna play some guitar |
| 02:08.33 | bofh80 | hah |
| 02:08.38 | stoned | later |
| 02:08.41 | bofh80 | i got no alcahole :( |
| 02:08.43 | basscr | me again, i'm stuck here trying to configure my video card, it doesnt let me start the X, says that "no screens found" and "no device found", i have an ati radeon 9250, and also the integrated video card (it is unplug obviusly), but i think this may be causing problems, i dont know how to put the bus id in the xserver configuration, it is 0000:01:00.0, but tells it is in the wring format |
| 02:08.46 | bofh80 | later |
| 02:09.29 | bofh80 | basscr, did you go and start hacking away at your xorg.conf before running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg eh |
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| 02:10.53 | basscr | bofh80, i need a more effective solution |
| 02:10.59 | bofh80 | btw people. everytime i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it tells me /etc/X11/X has been modified. even running with -phigh. any ideas? this is straight after install........i've had to edit now obviously, but still says the same thing :) |
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| 02:11.37 | beardy | !drxx bofh80 |
| 02:11.37 | dpkg | bofh80: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:11.59 | stoned | beardy, that wont' help |
| 02:12.00 | stoned | :) |
| 02:12.06 | bofh80 | basscr, is this a problem straight from install? |
| 02:12.13 | bofh80 | stoned, yup :) |
| 02:12.22 | bofh80 | beardy, thanks anyway tho. :) |
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| 02:12.25 | basscr | bofh80, yeap! |
| 02:12.41 | bofh80 | basscr, have you checked in the bios that the onboard VGA is disabled? |
| 02:13.03 | bofh80 | basscr, if you type lspci. do you see your graphics card |
| 02:14.49 | basscr | bofh80, yeap! in the lspci i see my graphic card, but i need to know how to put it in the bus id in dpkg-reconfigure |
| 02:14.50 | craigbass1976 | stoned, how long will the install take? Is it safe to go to sleep, or will I be prompted for something? I've picked the packages and I guess apt is getting them at this point. |
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| 02:15.31 | stoned | will be prompted |
| 02:15.43 | stoned | after package extraction/confi it asks for boot loader config |
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| 02:15.55 | stoned | afaicr |
| 02:16.23 | bofh80 | lol |
| 02:16.26 | stoned | i still haven't gotten up |
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| 02:16.49 | stoned | wait who are you again? |
| 02:17.06 | stoned | nm |
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| 02:17.11 | stoned | you're the dude whos installing debian |
| 02:17.18 | acad | I have a question about installing debian using debootstrap. I can't seem to get it to work on any debian derrived distribution. it downloads the source, unpacks it but still fails. i'm doing debootstrap sarge /debootstrap http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 02:17.25 | stoned | man im drunk + stoned don't expect me to remember shit that happened 5 minutes ago |
| 02:17.40 | stoned | im gonna go play guitar fo rreal now |
| 02:17.40 | stoned | bye |
| 02:18.06 | acad | should I be doing something differently? or maybe something before running it? |
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| 02:19.45 | bofh80 | stoned you from the UK? seems like it. :D |
| 02:20.28 | bhundven | heh: <dpkg> |==== News for #debian: (2 items) |
| 02:20.28 | bhundven | <dpkg> |= Last updated 606d 13h 43m 49s ago. |
| 02:20.37 | stoned | bah |
| 02:20.40 | stoned | still have not left |
| 02:20.44 | stoned | NP: Andy C. -|- Nightlife, Vol. 3 -|- " The Truth " -|- (Drum & Bass) -|- (rating: 10/75) |
| 02:20.45 | stoned | this is why |
| 02:20.48 | stoned | :( |
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| 02:21.04 | magyar | does anyone know why sid console ftp requires "passive on" and etch console ftp doesn't? |
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| 02:21.11 | stoned | soon as I finish my bowl i'll go |
| 02:21.12 | stoned | heh |
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| 02:21.44 | bofh80 | muchies as well eh. |
| 02:22.11 | bofh80 | hmm virginia |
| 02:22.40 | bofh80 | stoned u sure u didn't move from the uk. maybe your folks are english. heheheh |
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| 02:23.21 | stoned | !u |
| 02:23.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 02:23.46 | Marshman | yo quick question, whats the grep command to grep the word "manner" in a .txt file (with -R) |
| 02:23.51 | stoned | my dad is scottish, mom is jordanian, grandparents are indian, I was born in pakistan, I grew up in uk+usa |
| 02:23.58 | stoned | mutt enough for ya? |
| 02:24.01 | stoned | lol |
| 02:24.02 | bofh80 | stoned, ahhh. that explains a lot |
| 02:24.04 | bofh80 | :D |
| 02:24.16 | stoned | man grep |
| 02:24.20 | stoned | or info grep |
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| 02:24.23 | Marshman | OH lol |
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| 02:24.27 | stoned | :) |
| 02:24.28 | Marshman | i thought someone was actually blown. |
| 02:24.32 | Marshman | i already man it. |
| 02:24.35 | Marshman | i want to see it in a example. |
| 02:24.41 | icyfire0573 | grep manner file.txt |
| 02:24.47 | Marshman | thanks bro lol |
| 02:24.57 | Marshman | now i have to add -R |
| 02:25.00 | Marshman | and wilcards. |
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| 02:25.11 | icyfire0573 | grep manner *.txt |
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| 02:26.13 | Marshman | yeah i got it it worked. |
| 02:26.15 | Marshman | thanks man |
| 02:26.40 | icyfire0573 | yep |
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| 02:28.51 | Stevie-O | can someone please explain to me why "apt-get remove evolution" wants to *install* packages? |
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| 02:45.25 | fluvvell | can someone tell me the opposite of apt-cache depends , ie what packages depend on this one ? |
| 02:45.51 | fluvvell | or is that a dpkg command? |
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| 02:46.22 | bhundven | er |
| 02:46.30 | bhundven | apt-cache rdepends bash |
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| 02:47.13 | wakejagr | Stevie-O: did you ever figure out what was going on with that apt-get remove? i've seen it happen before, and wondered what was going on |
| 02:48.18 | fluvvell | bhundven, thx |
| 02:48.49 | Stevie-O | nope |
| 02:48.56 | bhundven | yea. it was exactly right under depends in 'man apt-cache' |
| 02:49.05 | Stevie-O | but I just got rid of all the gnome and openoffice stuff; I use neither |
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| 02:56.07 | bhundven | fwiw... here is a simple trick if your impatient and need quick info: `man apt-cache | grep depends`. it's commands like this that make me proud of and to run unix |
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| 02:57.15 | stoned | umm |
| 02:57.29 | stoned | man apt-cache /search term |
| 02:57.31 | stoned | :/ |
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| 02:58.40 | bhundven | I think you need another one stoned. |
| 02:59.08 | Stevie-O | and another one stoned |
| 02:59.15 | Stevie-O | and another one smokes the joint |
| 02:59.30 | bhundven | heh |
| 02:59.54 | stoned | no seriously |
| 03:00.03 | bhundven | yea really |
| 03:00.05 | stoned | do half of you even know how to use the fucking man pages? |
| 03:00.08 | stoned | I fucking doub tit |
| 03:00.10 | stoned | seriously |
| 03:00.54 | dendrite | stoned: Actually, grepping as bhundven suggests is a quick way to see if you might want to look more carefully at a given man page... |
| 03:00.59 | bhundven | I suppose that half of me does know how to use man pages and the other half of me knows how to use info |
| 03:01.04 | stoned | of course it is |
| 03:01.15 | stoned | this was direicted at Stevie-O |
| 03:01.19 | stoned | obviously, duh |
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| 03:04.11 | bhundven | Just out of curiosity stoned, how long have you used linux/unix? |
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| 03:04.30 | stoned | since before your dad was born |
| 03:04.37 | nanotube | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.39 | dendrite | This is like watching one of those bass fishing tournaments on TV... |
| 03:04.46 | stoned | yeah i know |
| 03:04.52 | stoned | more linux time == bigger dick |
| 03:04.52 | stoned | wtf? |
| 03:05.08 | bhundven | not what I was... nm |
| 03:05.16 | dendrite | nanotube: The converse is --set-selections |
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| 03:05.41 | stoned | hey matt my man homie dude bro |
| 03:05.49 | dendrite | nanotube: Then you can make it happen with dselect, and possibly with aptitude, though I'm not up to speed on aptitude. |
| 03:05.59 | mhall | Something put a /etc/sysconfig/i18n file on my system and that motherfucker is fucked the fuck up like a motherfucker. |
| 03:06.09 | stoned | damn man |
| 03:06.15 | stoned | even I dont' cuss as much as you |
| 03:06.15 | stoned | damn |
| 03:06.16 | mhall | I can't figure out how the fuck I'm supposed to fuck over this fuck up so it quits fucking up. |
| 03:06.28 | stoned | thats like 3 f bombs consecutively |
| 03:06.30 | icyfire0573 | remove the i18n file ? |
| 03:06.38 | stoned | damn dude |
| 03:06.39 | mhall | stoned: Yeah well it's got everything fucked up so I'm like what the fuck. |
| 03:06.42 | stoned | lol |
| 03:06.51 | mhall | icyfire0573: A bunch of init scripts depend on the little bastard. |
| 03:07.03 | dendrite | icyfire0573: Don't you mean "remove the *fucking* i18n file ?" ;-) |
| 03:07.10 | stoned | what!!! |
| 03:07.14 | stoned | dendrite swears! |
| 03:07.16 | stoned | ?! |
| 03:07.18 | stoned | omg! |
| 03:07.26 | dendrite | stoned: swearing in quotes doesn't count. |
| 03:07.30 | mhall | heh |
| 03:07.30 | stoned | lol |
| 03:07.33 | stoned | i knew it |
| 03:07.35 | stoned | traitor! |
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| 03:07.41 | icyfire0573 | can't you just touch the file after its gone so they reference it but get no info? |
| 03:08.28 | nanotube | dendrite: thanks, in my list all packages ara in state: install .. will the --set-selections remove packages which are not on the list but installed on the other pc? |
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| 03:09.26 | stoned | oh god |
| 03:09.27 | dendrite | nanotube: I don't think it will, but that's a good question. Maybe someone else here has the definitive answer. |
| 03:09.39 | stoned | I can hear my neighbour upstairs masturbate |
| 03:09.57 | stoned | her bed is going squeaky squeaky |
| 03:09.58 | stoned | lol |
| 03:10.07 | icyfire0573 | haha' |
| 03:10.12 | icyfire0573 | thats hilarious |
| 03:10.16 | stoned | she works at dell too |
| 03:10.20 | stoned | we started the same day |
| 03:10.24 | mhall | stoned: is she hot? |
| 03:10.25 | icyfire0573 | well, now I'm scared |
| 03:10.26 | stoned | she is a consumer sales rep |
| 03:10.30 | stoned | hell yeah dude |
| 03:10.34 | stoned | romanian brunette |
| 03:10.35 | pickcoder | mhall: what statements are in it? |
| 03:10.37 | icyfire0573 | yea, but she works at dell |
| 03:10.37 | bhundven | ask her if she needs help... |
| 03:10.40 | stoned | giant jugs |
| 03:10.45 | stoned | not skinny or fat |
| 03:10.48 | mhall | pickcoder: one sec |
| 03:10.48 | stoned | just perfect |
| 03:10.52 | bhundven | ... |
| 03:10.53 | stoned | like debian |
| 03:10.53 | mhall | stoned: you lucky bastard |
| 03:10.59 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:11.02 | stoned | that I am matt |
| 03:11.03 | stoned | that I am |
| 03:11.08 | icyfire0573 | he isn't lucky yet, he's gotta go knock on the door |
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| 03:11.27 | Dewi | is there some way to make 'patch' work transactionally? |
| 03:11.36 | stoned | I spend the night upstairs when my rommate had his girl over |
| 03:11.40 | stoned | he sleeps in the living room |
| 03:11.42 | stoned | 1bed apt |
| 03:11.43 | mhall | LANG="C" COUNTRY="us" LANGUAGE="us" CHARSET="iso8859-1" XMODIFIERS="" |
| 03:11.48 | mhall | pickcoder: ^^^ |
| 03:11.48 | pickcoder | Dewi: why would you want to do that? |
| 03:12.00 | Dewi | pickcoder: I don't want some things applied but not others |
| 03:12.07 | stoned | im being too OT anyway drunk , i'll see ya'll later |
| 03:12.12 | mhall | stoned: you mean you got to hang out with here the other day |
| 03:12.20 | stoned | no I spent the night there |
| 03:12.23 | mhall | stoned: her*, cause your buddy had a girl over? |
| 03:12.28 | mhall | stoned: dude how did it go |
| 03:12.49 | icyfire0573 | He'd be there now if it went well. So Im gonna have to say neutral for him. |
| 03:12.57 | mhall | icyfire0573: good fuckin point |
| 03:12.57 | stoned | well I didn't sleep on the floor, I'll put it that way, and she has almost no furniture |
| 03:13.04 | mhall | stoned: nice! |
| 03:13.10 | stoned | :D |
| 03:13.13 | stoned | we didn't do anything |
| 03:13.18 | mhall | stoned: you didn't *have* to |
| 03:13.20 | stoned | I'm a one woman guy, and I love my girl |
| 03:13.33 | CHodapp | s/girl/crackpipe/ |
| 03:13.35 | mhall | oh shit |
| 03:13.42 | stoned | you seen my family dude |
| 03:13.47 | mhall | CHodapp: yeah for real, i +1 that patch and commit it to the repo |
| 03:13.49 | stoned | a long time ago |
| 03:13.56 | nanotube | dendrite: give me sec..I'll be back |
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