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| 21:11.08 | tuv | sofus, flash is in contrib section in debian official repositories |
| 21:11.20 | tuv | sofus, codecs are in debian-multimedia.org |
| 21:11.32 | tuv | sofus, and java is in non-free for unstable |
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| 21:16.28 | tuv | why wouldn't cups webserver respond to https requests? |
| 21:16.41 | tuv | E [25/Sep/2006:16:27:13 -0400] Creating missing directory "/var/run/cups/certs" |
| 21:16.47 | tuv | E [25/Sep/2006:16:52:32 -0400] Unable to open listen socket for address :::631 - Address family not supported by protocol. |
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| 21:19.43 | hjubal | hi |
| 21:19.52 | peterS | tarzeau: I don't know plastic's email, no |
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| 21:22.23 | abrotman | peterS: can i add "OH NO YOU DON'T" to !be peterS ? |
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| 21:23.19 | peterS | abrotman: you read debian-vote? |
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| 21:24.04 | iturk | hi there any application in linux that edits psd files ?? (Adobe Photoshop images) |
| 21:24.19 | karsten | iturk: gimp would be the likely candidate. |
| 21:24.27 | peterS | iturk: I don't believe so. it's possible that 'gimp' has an input plugin for those. |
| 21:24.50 | karsten | iturk: http://www.google.com/search?q=gimp+psd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 21:24.59 | karsten | iturk: ... supports what peterS said: plugin, not perfect yet. |
| 21:25.08 | iturk | peterS: in gimp by default it doens open but if there is any plugin i would like to know it |
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| 21:26.41 | tuv | i seriously need cups help. a printer prints fine from the local machine, but prints strange printer options when printing remotely |
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| 21:29.16 | msn | I am getting the folloring errror while booting my newly installed etch ata4: port reset p_is 40000001 is 8 pis 0 cmd c017 tf 4051 ss 113 se 0 |
| 21:30.07 | msn | ata4: translated ATA stat/err 0x51/40 to SCS SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x3/11/04 |
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| 21:30.26 | msn | ata4: {DriveReadu SeekComplete Error } |
| 21:30.49 | msn | ata4: errer=0x40 {Uncorrentable Error |
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| 21:30.55 | wols_ | msn: buy a new disk |
| 21:31.07 | msn | figureed so |
| 21:31.07 | karsten | msn: concur |
| 21:31.12 | raf256 | msn: dont buy shittiy hard drive next time |
| 21:31.19 | karsten | msn: You might want to try running smartmontools on it just to be sure. |
| 21:31.26 | karsten | msn: maxtor? |
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| 21:31.30 | msn | yup |
| 21:31.32 | wols_ | msn: you can run smartmontools on it, but it will only extend the suffering |
| 21:31.34 | kml | hmm, is there a limitation in fdisk? i can't seem to create logical partition 9 and up but cfdisk works fine. any ideas? |
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| 21:31.38 | karsten | msn: RMA |
| 21:31.44 | msn | okey |
| 21:31.47 | msn | ty |
| 21:31.51 | karsten | msn: NP |
| 21:31.53 | wols_ | karsten: good morning |
| 21:31.58 | wols_ | and why especially about maxtor? |
| 21:32.09 | karsten | wols_: the only good morning's a dead morning. |
| 21:32.23 | stew | msn: try a different ide cable as well |
| 21:32.25 | karsten | wols_: It may just be their volume, but I've seen loads and loads of failed disks. |
| 21:32.31 | stew | msn: a bad ide cable can cause those problems |
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| 21:33.04 | karsten | msn: if you want to do the full drill: check cabling, try new cable, reseat everything, and run smartmontools short *and* long tests. |
| 21:33.05 | raf256 | msn: there are smartctl and hdparm options to test both hdd and the IDE cable |
| 21:33.20 | karsten | msn: If the test won't run to completion, it's likely bad. |
| 21:33.21 | jelly-ho | where do I inquire about problems with irc services? #freenode redirects me to #freenode-social which doesn't seem to be a support channel. |
| 21:33.24 | karsten | raf256: Details? |
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| 21:33.41 | wols_ | especially about the cable check |
| 21:33.42 | raf256 | karsten: man hdparm |
| 21:33.43 | karsten | jelly-ho: see your login banner (freenode)l. |
| 21:34.42 | karsten | jelly-ho: Hrm. No, doesn't say. Used to be instructions for finding staff. Maybe at http://www.freenode.net |
| 21:34.43 | jelly-ho | karsten: hm, nothing useful in the motd. |
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| 21:35.43 | karsten | raf256: All I see is the -tT options. |
| 21:35.49 | karsten | WTF happened to msn? |
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| 21:36.17 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
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| 21:37.43 | Ramattack | I'm going to install a qmail server over debian with vpopmail mysql daemon tcpserver... and I'm goona type the next exports before starting to work on my console windows |
| 21:37.56 | Ramattack | CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu" |
| 21:37.57 | Ramattack | CFLAGS="-march=pentium4 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" |
| 21:37.57 | Ramattack | CXXFLAGS="-march=pentium4 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" |
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| 21:38.13 | karsten | !tell Ramattack about paste |
| 21:38.34 | karsten | Ramattack: Might prefer posting to a qmail discussion. |
| 21:38.48 | Ramattack | ok well I'll do it then... |
| 21:39.40 | karsten | jelly-ho: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#helpfromstaff |
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| 21:40.59 | azeem | W 31 |
| 21:41.02 | azeem | bah |
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| 21:41.24 | azeem | hrm? |
| 21:41.25 | abrotman | jelly-ho: they know .. they did it intentionally |
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| 21:41.36 | StFS | hello... what does it mean when a module is marked [permanent] in the output of lsmod? |
| 21:41.41 | abrotman | jelly-ho: /stats p |
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| 21:42.44 | jelly-ho | karsten, abrotman: thanks, got it |
| 21:43.02 | abrotman | jelly-ho: we also have some staff here .. |
| 21:43.09 | abrotman | peterS: i read that thread |
| 21:43.11 | msn | karsten: bad luck can say, |
| 21:43.21 | msn | karsten: the RMA is not valid |
| 21:43.23 | msn | :D |
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| 21:43.46 | karsten | msn: How old's the drive? |
| 21:43.48 | joeljkp | what's the status of the rt2500 driver in debian? |
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| 21:44.10 | msn | karsten: warranty out :P seems like the previous user never got to know the prob since vaio guys used Raid 0 on it and he never hit the bad sectors |
| 21:44.10 | karsten | msn: RMA == return materials auth. It's the return/refund policy of most device manufacturers. |
| 21:44.16 | msn | yeah |
| 21:44.16 | karsten | Dig. |
| 21:44.30 | msn | but for that the disk needs to be in warranty |
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| 21:44.38 | msn | the disk is out of warranty |
| 21:44.49 | karsten | msn: Right. Toss it. |
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| 21:45.02 | msn | i know |
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| 21:45.10 | msn | m going to |
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| 21:46.28 | RichiH | karsten: i am disappointed in you |
| 21:47.21 | RichiH | karsten: if you want a cloak, why not poke me? |
| 21:47.22 | RichiH | tsk |
| 21:47.29 | RichiH | karsten: you need an email for primary |
| 21:47.34 | abrotman | RichiH: i want one! |
| 21:47.44 | abrotman | with sequins please! |
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| 21:48.01 | RichiH | abrotman: register sequins as primary nick? |
| 21:48.05 | RichiH | oh, and |
| 21:48.06 | RichiH | you need to set up your nick completely as shown on freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup - this means both a linked nick and a valid email for the primary nick |
| 21:48.22 | abrotman | RichiH: me or karsten ? |
| 21:48.25 | karsten | RichiH: didn't know you could do it, sorry. |
| 21:48.26 | abrotman | i don't have a linked nick ... |
| 21:48.36 | abrotman | i don't think i do |
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| 21:48.49 | RichiH | abrotman: you |
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| 21:48.54 | RichiH | karsten: pft |
| 21:48.58 | RichiH | karsten: excuses! |
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| 21:49.04 | RichiH | abrotman: you don't |
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| 21:49.15 | karsten | RichiH: Dude, I bow before your staff-power-greatness |
| 21:49.17 | joepa | I'm having trouble with remote X connections in testing |
| 21:49.51 | jetx | Placid: did you try apt-get install read-edid |
| 21:49.53 | RichiH | karsten: bow? you need to crawl in the dust of normal users! |
| 21:49.59 | joepa | I'm able to remotely run X apps, but they often quickly crap out with "Bad access" errors |
| 21:49.59 | jetx | little late eh |
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| 21:50.22 | MrTelephone | Can I ask a question somewhat related to asterisk? Everytime I upgrade the kernel it reconfigures the grub bootloader but it changes the root image to /dev/hdc1 when it should be /dev/sda1. Do you know where to fix this problem? |
| 21:50.23 | RichiH | abrotman: if you are serious about the cloak, follow the guide above |
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| 21:51.01 | joepa | for example, "Gdk-ERROR **: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) |
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| 21:51.04 | joepa | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.08 | jetx | MrTelephone: it may be set in those debian automagic stuff in menu.lst... you might look in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:51.09 | karsten | joepa: ssh X11 forward? |
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| 21:51.12 | msn | thanks for joining me karsten |
| 21:51.24 | karsten | msn: ;-) |
| 21:51.28 | abrotman | RichiH: /whois me .. i have one |
| 21:51.44 | msn | i started using deb 3 years ago |
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| 21:51.50 | msn | so 5 yrs ago i was that |
| 21:51.51 | msn | lol |
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| 21:51.56 | joeljkp | what's that status of the rt2500 driver in debian? |
| 21:52.02 | MrTelephone | menu.lst is the fiel I have to change all the time |
| 21:52.04 | psychonate | hmm, what's wrong with this syntax: 'ls *.avi' ? |
| 21:52.08 | abrotman | joeljkp: apt-cache search rt2500 |
| 21:52.15 | joepa | karsten: could you be a little bit more specific? is that something I need to add or change in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 21:52.25 | joeljkp | abrotman: i don't have a debian system now |
| 21:52.25 | abrotman | joeljkp: it's in etch/sid |
| 21:52.32 | psychonate | When I type that, I get "ls: invalid option --" |
| 21:52.33 | joeljkp | abrotman: ah, cool, thanks |
| 21:52.55 | jetx | MrTelephone: but above the kernel entries there's all those commented out things... some have 1# and some have 2#'s... it's where the automagic stuff gets set |
| 21:52.56 | karsten | joepa: Are you using ssh X11 forwarding? |
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| 21:52.58 | RichiH | abrotman: oh, ok |
| 21:53.00 | karsten | joepa: ... that's my question. |
| 21:53.01 | RichiH | abrotman: cheater! |
| 21:53.11 | jetx | MrTelephone: the ones with one # is what you look at |
| 21:53.18 | abrotman | RichiH: i am ? |
| 21:53.27 | psychonate | ah, nevermind, a "-" leading the filename I guess |
| 21:53.31 | jetx | RichiH: are you bothering abrotman? |
| 21:53.36 | jetx | can i help? |
| 21:53.41 | jetx | :) |
| 21:53.44 | joepa | karsten: I've enabled X11 forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and I connect to that machine using 'ssh -X <hostname>' |
| 21:53.54 | mhall | Alright so there's a bit of a KDE glitch I can't figure out how to work around: kcontrol: Depends: libraw1394-5 which is a virtual package. |
| 21:53.55 | joepa | karsten: does that mean I'm using X11 forwarding? |
| 21:54.14 | karsten | joepa: Yes. Verify that by running 'ssh -v ...' to remotehost for verbose output. |
| 21:54.25 | abrotman | jetx: i'd kline RichiH ... but uh .. |
| 21:54.47 | jetx | mhall: that file is marked 'old' in dselect for me... but if i try to remove it it wants to take a lot of other stuff... all i know. sid. |
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| 21:55.21 | karsten | joepa: Have you restarted sshd since enabling X11 forwarding? |
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| 21:55.29 | mhall | jetx: yeah i'm trying to bootstrap a new box, cause udev hosed my last system |
| 21:55.49 | karsten | mhall: udev: the last hose you'll ever need. |
| 21:55.49 | joepa | karsten: it says " Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing", then it allows me to login |
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| 21:55.53 | jetx | i removed udev last night, for the billionth time |
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| 21:56.09 | joepa | karsten: yes, I've restarted sshd by doing '/etc/init.d/ssh restart' |
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| 21:56.25 | karsten | joepa: You can run _some_ X clients? |
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| 21:58.23 | mhall | karsten: Yes; quite. |
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| 21:59.07 | joepa | karsten: some applications run for longer than others without crapping out, but everything that I have tried to run over the remove connection eventually crashes with an error messages similar to what I mentioned above ("bad access" or "bad window") |
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| 21:59.35 | joepa | karsten: I am actually using Apple's X11 from Mac OSX to connect to the Debian box |
| 21:59.40 | karsten | joepa: Do you have the precise error message? Sounds odd, no immediate ideas. |
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| 21:59.42 | joepa | karsten: could that be causing the problem? |
| 21:59.45 | karsten | joepa: Hrm. |
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| 21:59.49 | RichiH | jetx: sure |
| 21:59.59 | RichiH | jetx: it's fun bothering abrotman |
| 22:00.01 | karsten | joepa: Which X11? Apple Developer Kit or darwinports? |
| 22:00.09 | RichiH | !lose abrotman |
| 22:00.09 | dpkg_ | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 22:00.51 | joepa | karsten: Apple Developer Kit |
| 22:01.01 | joepa | karsten: is the darwinports version preferable? |
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| 22:01.11 | karsten | joepa: Not sure that it makes a difference, but it might. |
| 22:01.35 | karsten | joepa: Some people say so. I think it's more current. I used the ADK for a while, but not remotely. |
| 22:01.54 | joepa | karsten: I'll try the darwinports version, then perhaps I'll check back if probs persist |
| 22:02.04 | joepa | thanks for your help |
| 22:02.55 | garo | Can someone post a example backport-line from sources.list here ? |
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| 22:04.01 | dondelelcaro | deb http://foo.bar.com sarge main; |
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| 22:04.41 | Knorrie | deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main contrib non-free |
| 22:04.42 | Knorrie | deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main contrib non-free |
| 22:04.50 | stew | garo: /msg dpkg bpo ; go to the instructions page |
| 22:05.20 | stew | garo: if you add those lines without altering preferences, you are going to upgrade every package possible to backports.org which is not likely to be what you want |
| 22:05.57 | Knorrie | agrees |
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| 22:07.37 | garo | And how do I add only 1 package ? |
| 22:07.44 | tuv | why would i be able to print locally but not remotely? using cups |
| 22:08.12 | stew | garo: the instructions tell you |
| 22:08.39 | garo | the bot didn't repeat |
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| 22:09.18 | garo | s/repeat/answer/ |
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| 22:09.58 | stew | dondelelcaro: dpkg_ has a tail |
| 22:10.23 | stew | garo: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 22:11.51 | karsten | joepa: I'd also google the specific messages for any related / similar problems. |
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| 22:12.40 | garo | thanks |
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| 22:13.47 | abrotman | RichiH: are you trying to make me cry? :) |
| 22:14.37 | itchi | How can i make an deb file of the three files that are in an directory; control.tar.gz, data.tar.gz, debian-binary ? |
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| 22:15.17 | itchi | I have try 'tar czf test.deb *' but looks that the deb file is not of the right format |
| 22:15.49 | karsten | itchi: debs are 'ar' archives, not tar. |
| 22:15.56 | itchi | Or need i realy use the dpkg-makepackage? |
| 22:16.09 | karsten | itchi: ... and there's specific tools to create/update them. |
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| 22:17.34 | itchi | karsten: Is that with the 'ar app? |
| 22:17.37 | RichiH | abrotman: very much so |
| 22:17.49 | itchi | karsten: I not know about the way of updating an deb file. |
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| 22:18.07 | abrotman | RichiH: germans are mean! :) |
| 22:18.07 | karsten | itchi: neither do I. I just know it's not the way you're doing it. |
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| 22:18.15 | krenin | Hi guys. |
| 22:18.21 | karsten | itchi: ... and yes, 'ar' is the tool to manipulate ar archives. |
| 22:18.32 | karsten | abrotman: I'm afraid I'll have to kill you for saying that. |
| 22:18.40 | itchi | karsten: You set me already on the good way ;-) Thanks for it ;-) |
| 22:18.44 | abrotman | karsten: nazi! |
| 22:18.54 | karsten | abrotman: Watch it. |
| 22:20.20 | dan2 | ~godwin's law |
| 22:20.21 | apt | from memory, godwin's law is http://www.uiuc.edu/~tskirvin/faqs/godwin.faq, or http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/Godwin_s_Law.html |
| 22:20.39 | dan2 | ~tell abrotman about godwin's law |
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| 22:21.03 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 22:22.41 | karsten | dan2: cool it. |
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| 22:23.51 | abrotman | kinky |
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| 22:24.02 | karsten | :-) |
| 22:24.34 | Xorm | Meine CPU ist sparkenspitzen vhen ich nicht cleanen outen dass heatsinken |
| 22:24.54 | karsten | !de |
| 22:24.55 | dpkg | de is probably Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 22:24.55 | jelly-home | Xorm: Das ist nicht gut. |
| 22:25.03 | karsten | Doh. |
| 22:25.07 | karsten | Xorm: Got me. |
| 22:25.17 | jetx | omg RichiH what did you do to abrotman??? |
| 22:25.25 | Guerin | !bier karsten |
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| 22:25.31 | jelly-home | hehe, sparkenspitzen. |
| 22:25.36 | karsten | !kimchee Guerin |
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| 22:26.20 | tolecnal | Xorm: your German is actually worse than mine :) |
| 22:26.35 | andreiutz | hi! I am a noob and i want to do a debian net-install . Where do i choose what version of debian to install(stable, unstable) ? |
| 22:26.38 | De_Mon | heatsinken |
| 22:26.53 | chealer | andreiutz: testing or stable |
| 22:27.05 | andreiutz | chealer> unstable |
| 22:27.11 | De_Mon | chealer whats wrong with unstable? |
| 22:27.16 | karsten | andreiutz: With the version of the installer you choose. |
| 22:27.33 | chealer | andreiutz: uh? what do you mean. |
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| 22:27.40 | andreiutz | so the netinstall is available for all three versions ? |
| 22:27.54 | chealer | De_Mon: unstable is not for "simple users" |
| 22:28.02 | chealer | andreiutz: not really |
| 22:28.05 | stew | andreiutz: if you are a noob. you want stable, /msg dpkg netinst |
| 22:28.10 | karsten | andreiutz: as a noob, I'd recommend stable or testing initially. |
| 22:28.19 | andreiutz | ok |
| 22:28.22 | andreiutz | i choose stable |
| 22:28.28 | jetx | you want etch |
| 22:28.30 | andreiutz | thank you |
| 22:28.32 | jetx | :) |
| 22:28.34 | jelly-home | I choose YOU, ETCH! |
| 22:28.39 | pickcoder | I'm having an issue getting nis client to connect. I have the server running properly and think I have the client setup correectly, but ypbind is timing out. |
| 22:28.41 | De_Mon | chealer meh, it may be more likely to break but that just means he's most likely to do it over and learn a thing or two! |
| 22:28.42 | Guerin | i choose beer |
| 22:29.01 | itchi | karsten: Hhhm, it's looks like simply to do. Take that you have the deb file in an dir and the 3 extracted files of it in the same dir. Modify whath you want of the 3 files and then 'ar r mgeups-psp_3.0.0-2_i386.deb control.tar.gz' |
| 22:29.06 | chealer | heh, is that Guerin ? :) |
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| 22:29.24 | Guerin | no, it's Guerin |
| 22:29.27 | pickcoder | I have a DNS record for the nis domain name and ypserv.securenets is set to my LAN |
| 22:29.36 | karsten | itchi: I *think* that works. I also think there's a Debian-tool specific way to do this, which I'm not intimately familiar with. |
| 22:29.40 | chealer | dpkg: 3.1r3? |
| 22:29.47 | De_Mon | thats weird... I thought it WAS Guerin |
| 22:29.50 | peterS | stew: [permanent] means the module can never be unloaded, because whoever wrote the module did not want to bother supporting the unload case |
| 22:29.53 | peterS | errr |
| 22:29.56 | chealer | stew: looks like dpkg has an issue with 3.1r3 |
| 22:30.00 | chealer | doh |
| 22:30.04 | itchi | karsten: Yup, sure there will be are an funny tool. Debian is so great :-) |
| 22:30.12 | jelly-home | karsten: dpkg --extract foo.deb some-dir; dpkg --control foo.deb some-dir/DEBIAN; do stuff...; dpkg -b some-dir |
| 22:30.28 | karsten | itchi: ^^ jelly-home |
| 22:30.32 | chealer | stew: anyway, I don't see the point of keeping that factoid in /topic |
| 22:30.44 | itchi | Just saw it. Gona try also that way now :-p Coool |
| 22:30.46 | jetx | uh... ? |
| 22:30.55 | jetx | dpkg 3.1r3 |
| 22:31.05 | stew | peterS: thanks! |
| 22:31.06 | andreiutz | dpkg 3.1r3 |
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| 22:31.37 | chealer | andreiutz: it's "sarge 3.1r3"...I'm a little blind |
| 22:31.47 | jetx | i think it's gonna be 4.0 anyway if yu mean etch |
| 22:31.51 | iturk | did someone can get me the compiled plugin from this page: http://www.gimptalk.com/forum/topic/Installing-using-New-Photoshop-Plugin-Or-Filter-For-with-Gimp-3-1.html |
| 22:32.13 | andreiutz | chealer, yes i want stable , isn't 3.1r4 stable ? |
| 22:32.14 | jetx | but all i've seen is sarge 3.1 r2? |
| 22:32.28 | chealer | andreiutz: it's 3.1r3 |
| 22:32.29 | andreiutz | chealer, yes i want stable , isn't 3.1r3 stable ? |
| 22:32.33 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: 3.1r3 is <reply> see sarge 3.1r3 |
| 22:32.33 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 22:32.35 | andreiutz | yes |
| 22:32.36 | andreiutz | sorry |
| 22:32.53 | chealer | andreiutz: yes, stable is 3.1r3 |
| 22:33.04 | jetx | when did they do an r3 |
| 22:33.11 | dondelelcaro | jetx: 9/1/2006 |
| 22:33.13 | chealer | !sarge 3.1r3 |
| 22:33.13 | dpkg | Sarge 3.1r3 has been released as of Sept 1st: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2006/msg00004.html, or if you are already running sarge and have a security line in sources.list you are already running 3.1r3, ask me about <security> |
| 22:33.18 | jetx | ah |
| 22:33.29 | dondelelcaro | andreiutz: stable gets new point releases from time to time; they're wrapups of security updates and occasionally some other important updates. |
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| 22:35.49 | radu | hello, i have a small network with 4 computers and 1 router running debian, can you give me some tips on how can i restrict the bandwith they are using? just some starting tips should be enough |
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| 22:36.23 | chealer | ops: who put 3.1r3 in /topic? |
| 22:36.36 | dondelelcaro | I don't remember; I've propogated it |
| 22:36.38 | jetx | lol |
| 22:36.50 | dondelelcaro | radu: use tc on the router. See the lartc for details on how to set it up |
| 22:37.12 | chealer | dondelelcaro: anyway, I think it should be removed now |
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| 22:37.40 | radu | dondelelcaro: thank you |
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| 22:38.55 | chealer | I mean what else in /topic is older than 3 weeks? :-P |
| 22:40.14 | dondelelcaro | lots of things |
| 22:40.20 | dondelelcaro | some of them are years old |
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| 22:43.10 | bedouin | How can I force dpkg to reinstall an app AND ask me again if I want to replace my old configuration files for it? |
| 22:43.40 | karsten | bedouin: aptitude reinstall app; dpkg-reconfigure app |
| 22:44.05 | dondelelcaro | !tell bedouin -about confmiss |
| 22:44.27 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Interesting, thanks. |
| 22:44.29 | jelly-home | how come there's no mod-security-source in Debian? I know its license prevents binary distribution, were there also problems with the source itself? |
| 22:44.36 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Does dpkg-reconfigure address that? |
| 22:44.50 | karsten | jelly-home: WTF is mod-security-source? |
| 22:45.10 | dondelelcaro | karsten: nah; dpkg-reconfigure only deals with conffiles that are modified by debhelper |
| 22:45.18 | bedouin | thanks |
| 22:45.28 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Thanks. |
| 22:45.29 | dondelelcaro | karsten: otherwise you have to reinstall, or if you deleted the conffile, use confmiss. |
| 22:45.48 | dondelelcaro | bedouin: you'll also find that in many cases, the conffile is in /etc/foo/conffile.dpkg or similar. |
| 22:45.53 | jelly-home | karsten: er, mod_security source. |
| 22:46.01 | dondelelcaro | (dpkg-new IIRC) |
| 22:46.19 | karsten | jelly-home: apache stuff? |
| 22:46.33 | karsten | jelly-home: 'apt-cache search mod_security' |
| 22:46.54 | Mike_kayaker__ | the "base-config" utility going to be replaced? |
| 22:47.04 | Mike_kayaker__ | Etch? |
| 22:47.11 | jelly-home | karsten: yeah, it was removed after sarge. |
| 22:47.12 | dondelelcaro | Mike_kayaker__: yes |
| 22:47.24 | jelly-home | karsten: the current version is something like 1.9.2 |
| 22:47.41 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it could also be that no one is maintaining it |
| 22:47.43 | Mike_kayaker__ | dondelelcaro: cheers,It was so handy |
| 22:48.12 | dondelelcaro | Mike_kayaker__: yeah; there's some motion to bring bits of it back into the userland tools; but everything that it changes can be changed in other ways |
| 22:48.43 | Mike_kayaker__ | but not in one simple interface |
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| 22:49.08 | dondelelcaro | unlikey; however, if you're interested, or want it, please jump in and make it happen. |
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| 22:49.59 | Mike_kayaker__ | dondelelcaro: still rate Etch/4.0 as being an escellent release |
| 22:50.16 | dondelelcaro | it's a definite improvement |
| 22:50.16 | Mike_kayaker__ | and up to the minute,,wow |
| 22:50.36 | Mike_kayaker__ | x^^,,err |
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| 22:52.11 | blindedy | debian en español |
| 22:52.14 | dondelelcaro | !es |
| 22:52.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:53.02 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: nah, it seems it was the license, at least according to #352344 It would have been nice if the sources were moved to non-free like pine or qmail-src, though. |
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| 22:53.51 | dondelelcaro | well, it's kind of wierd, because the sources aren't non-free; it's just the binaries that are |
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| 22:54.10 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: and it's not entirely clear that even distributing the sources is ok |
| 22:54.28 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: however, if you want it in etch, that pretty much means that you'll have to do it. |
| 22:54.45 | dondelelcaro | (that no one else has done the work tends to indicate that no one else cares enough about it to do it) |
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| 22:56.05 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: eh, what chances are to get through the NM process in time for etch? :-) |
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| 22:57.57 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: you don't have to be a DD to maintain packages |
| 22:58.31 | main2 | my Xorg-air is >> II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg-air/modules/extensions/libglx.so (from the x.org foundation) |
| 22:58.37 | main2 | this doesnt seem right to me |
| 22:59.06 | main2 | while i do have the nvidia glx driver on my system.. |
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| 23:00.04 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: oh, I didn't know that. |
| 23:00.13 | robin_sz | you could argue that sources that are licensed such as to prevent binary only distribution are non-free in themselves ... |
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| 23:00.48 | karsten | robin_sz: such terms violate both the FSF Free Software definition and the OSI Open Source Definition. |
| 23:01.06 | robin_sz | so even the sources are non free then? |
| 23:01.19 | karsten | robin_sz: the net licensing terms are non-free |
| 23:01.25 | robin_sz | right |
| 23:01.48 | karsten | robin_sz: if you want to understand more, read the OSI Open Source Definition and the FSF Free Software definition. |
| 23:01.50 | dondelelcaro | robin_sz: AFAICT, it's just a case of ASL/GPL incompatibility; nothing exciting |
| 23:02.31 | karsten | robin_sz: http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html |
| 23:02.45 | karsten | robin_sz: OSI term 1 is violated. |
| 23:03.01 | robin_sz | karsten, I grok the OSI one, the FSF one always seems to be shifting slightly, but maybe its easier once you are ordained :) |
| 23:03.01 | karsten | robin_sz: FSF freedom 2 is violated. |
| 23:04.09 | karsten | robin_sz: the OSI was drafted as the DFSG, with lawyering & tests in mind. There's a pretty established practice of going through licensing terms and looking for any violation of the ten terms. |
| 23:04.15 | karsten | robin_sz: I'd also say that OSI 3 is violated. |
| 23:04.19 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: yerp; pretty much the only thing you can't do as a non-DD is upload packages to the archive and vote. Everything else can be done. [Uploading packages to the archive happens via a DD who is a sponsor.] |
| 23:04.46 | karsten | robin_sz: OSI's license-discuss list frequently debates licenses, archives are available. Very, very, very, very few people get FS/OS licensing right. |
| 23:05.05 | Guerin | and yet there are so many licenses |
| 23:05.19 | karsten | Guerin: ... and yet, so few of them have any but the most trivial use. |
| 23:05.26 | dondelelcaro | horray for license proliferation |
| 23:05.34 | robin_sz | karsten, its easy if you just stick to GPL2, it when you start trying to brew your own it gets tricky |
| 23:05.40 | Guerin | but there are lots of them which are free software or OSI approved licenses |
| 23:05.42 | karsten | Guerin: GPL/LGPL have been 85-90% of code in Debian, SourceForge, and Freshmeat, for years. |
| 23:05.46 | fasta | dondelelcaro: can I msg you as there is a inconsistency in dpkg? |
| 23:05.48 | Guerin | oh, i know |
| 23:05.53 | dondelelcaro | it would be quite nice if OSI would refuse to audit licenses when there is a suitable existing license available |
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| 23:06.02 | dondelelcaro | fasta: sure; you can ask in channel too |
| 23:06.11 | karsten | Guerin: Followed by BSD/MIT, and a lot of variants (copyright holder mod) of same. MozPL, Artistic, and cruft. |
| 23:06.14 | fasta | !alsa |
| 23:06.15 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://wiki.debian.org/?ALSA , or see <alsa one-liner> |
| 23:06.36 | fasta | !sound |
| 23:06.36 | dpkg | sound is probably ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 23:06.39 | karsten | dondelelcaro: OSI came to realize that licensing guidelines were one thing, but actively resisting licensing proliferation was a more significant goal. |
| 23:06.43 | fasta | !alsa for morons |
| 23:06.59 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ... though they only came to this conclusion *after* Larry Rosen published his three licenses. |
| 23:07.00 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 23:07.00 | fasta | dondelelcaro: !also for morons is not defined, nor in direct interation with dpkg. |
| 23:07.00 | dpkg | well, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
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| 23:07.15 | Guerin | yeah, i think azeem deleted it |
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| 23:07.25 | fasta | interaction, even |
| 23:07.25 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: alsa for morons is <reply> see alsa one-liner |
| 23:07.25 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 23:07.35 | abrotman | or see alsa-checklist |
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| 23:07.42 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: sound =~ s/alsa for morons/alsa one-liner/ |
| 23:07.42 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 23:07.47 | fasta | dondelelcaro: I can't define things, right? |
| 23:07.55 | dondelelcaro | fasta: yeah, you can do exactly what I just did. |
| 23:08.07 | fasta | dondelelcaro: oh, I thought, I needed right. |
| 23:08.09 | fasta | er rights |
| 23:08.24 | robin_sz | there was an intersting quote from Linus on grokalw today ... on this very subject |
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| 23:10.17 | bedouin | What's the best way to do a complete reinstall of CUPS and anything underlining it? Something's borked with my config or missing. |
| 23:10.36 | karsten | bedouin: aptitude purge cups; aptitude install cups |
| 23:10.45 | fasta | What's the "best"(means that is works) software audio mixer? |
| 23:10.51 | fasta | er it |
| 23:11.06 | abrotman | alsamixer ? |
| 23:11.09 | karsten | fasta: aumix (old style), alsamixer (alsa). Both may be required. |
| 23:11.24 | robin_sz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20060922134536257&title=This+is+really+bad+news&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=481922#c481977 |
| 23:11.28 | fasta | abrotman: heh, I never heard of that. Thanks |
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| 23:11.29 | robin_sz | there, if anyone cares |
| 23:11.35 | karsten | robin_sz: ?? |
| 23:11.50 | Guerin | karsten: hh:08:24 |
| 23:11.51 | fasta | karsten: he made a comment regarding Linus. |
| 23:11.53 | robin_sz | some comment from Linus on licensing and freedom |
| 23:11.56 | XrMb2 | if i've got a live-cd booted and 2 sd*-drives in my system, both are configured as raid-1, how can i mount that array? |
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| 23:12.00 | karsten | Guerin: ?? |
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| 23:12.05 | karsten | fasta: who's "he"? |
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| 23:12.09 | Guerin | linus tends to not have much interesting to say regarding software freedom |
| 23:12.17 | fasta | karsten: robin_sz |
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| 23:12.21 | n3kl | Hi |
| 23:12.47 | n3kl | How can you find out what runlevel you are in? |
| 23:13.06 | karsten | n3kl: /sbin/runlevel |
| 23:13.07 | robin_sz | n3kl, strangely enough by typing "runlevel" |
| 23:13.18 | n3kl | Ah |
| 23:13.21 | robin_sz | :) |
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| 23:13.36 | k31th | Evening all |
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| 23:14.45 | XrMb2 | could anyone help me please? it is very important to me... if i've got a live-cd booted and 2 sd*-drives in my system, both are configured as raid-1, how can i mount that array? |
| 23:15.21 | karsten | robin_sz: groklaw's forums layout (and inability to link to specific posts) really sucks. |
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| 23:16.20 | karsten | robin_sz: That said: yes, Linus has almost always been the engineer, just get out of my way and let me code guy. RMS is much more the "how can I ensure that technology is under my (and the user's) controll, not some small corporate / cabal's interests. |
| 23:16.22 | robin_sz | karsten, this we know .. and the inability to see the post you are responding to while you type it. |
| 23:16.40 | octan | XrMb2 mount that arry? |
| 23:16.47 | karsten | robin_sz: Feh. Moveable type? What's the CMS engine? |
| 23:16.57 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 23:17.00 | robin_sz | karsten, mmm ... not mt |
| 23:17.09 | robin_sz | geeklog |
| 23:17.11 | karsten | robin_sz: geeklog. |
| 23:17.13 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 23:17.19 | XrMb2 | yes, i've got 2 drives, /dev/sda and /dev/sdb - how can i mount them? both are working together as raid1 |
| 23:17.21 | karsten | robin_sz: Pam's not a techie herself. |
| 23:17.34 | octan | for x in /dev/sd* ; do mount $x ; done :P muhaha |
| 23:17.35 | abrotman | XrMb2: hardware or software raid ? |
| 23:17.36 | liable | meh, another kernel security fix.. keeps resetting my virtual penis.. |
| 23:17.39 | XrMb2 | hardware |
| 23:17.41 | liable | :P |
| 23:17.41 | abrotman | octan: don't do that |
| 23:17.43 | octan | jk |
| 23:18.03 | abrotman | XrMb2: are you sure they're really hardware raid logical drives ? |
| 23:18.08 | XrMb2 | yes |
| 23:18.13 | fasta | What is Linux doing on a web forum anyway? |
| 23:18.18 | fasta | er Linus |
| 23:18.22 | robin_sz | this we also know ... and they forked geeklog some way back, and have not put there mods back into the core and are now two forked away to use the current release and their fork is buggy as hell .. thats open source eh ? :) |
| 23:18.28 | abrotman | he's not allowed to surf the web ? |
| 23:18.30 | karsten | fasta: talking ass. |
| 23:18.31 | n3kl | seems silly now |
| 23:18.39 | octan | fasta what forum? |
| 23:18.46 | karsten | octan: Groklaw |
| 23:18.46 | abrotman | XrMb2: then they should be there .. you hsould be able to just mount them as long as the drivers are there |
| 23:18.55 | fasta | abrotman: I would have guessed he stayed safe on lkml |
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| 23:18.57 | octan | fasta, linux is a common finish name |
| 23:18.59 | bedouin | Can anyone tell me what these series of errors are about? They don't seem to be doing any harm, but I'm still curious: http://web.acd.ccac.edu/~halqahtani/DSC01275.JPG |
| 23:19.01 | octan | *linus |
| 23:19.12 | abrotman | fasta: have browser .. will travel? :) |
| 23:19.12 | fasta | octan: so? |
| 23:19.24 | karsten | octan: I'm wating for the next release of linus, which *will* be fully FSF/GNU compatible. |
| 23:19.27 | fasta | abrotman: que? |
| 23:19.30 | karsten | s/wating/waiting/ |
| 23:19.39 | octan | ah |
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| 23:19.43 | bobby | does socket 939 require the extra 12volt connector |
| 23:20.00 | abrotman | ask #hardware |
| 23:20.04 | jelly-home | karsten: linus is intentional mistype here? |
| 23:20.16 | karsten | jelly-home: ;-) |
| 23:20.17 | abrotman | bedouin: which part ? |
| 23:20.18 | octan | bobby, no. |
| 23:20.26 | liable | bobby: if its for a p4, i think it does |
| 23:20.26 | bedouin | abort: "can't open file" |
| 23:20.29 | bedouin | that series |
| 23:20.33 | liable | heh |
| 23:20.37 | bobby | it's 939 so amd |
| 23:20.40 | octan | 393 is amd |
| 23:20.40 | bedouin | what is that even related to |
| 23:20.40 | jelly-home | I don't want any kids to be FSF/GNU compatible if they don't want to. |
| 23:20.43 | octan | *939 |
| 23:20.45 | abrotman | bedouin: is that debian ? |
| 23:20.46 | karsten | jelly-home: Note there've already been two post-1.0 releases |
| 23:20.51 | bedouin | abort: yep |
| 23:20.52 | octan | bobby, i have it |
| 23:20.55 | bedouin | debian on an imac |
| 23:21.03 | abrotman | !nicktab |
| 23:21.03 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
| 23:21.03 | octan | and i just connect my psu to the mobo |
| 23:21.13 | liable | octan: read the manual |
| 23:21.16 | XrMb2 | i'm lost. mount /dev/sda and b says that it is already mounted. but mount does not list these devices |
| 23:21.18 | liable | er.. |
| 23:21.18 | bobby | octan, mmm wonder why it's there...extra stability? |
| 23:21.21 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 23:21.21 | dpkg | i heard ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 23:21.36 | octan | liable, ? |
| 23:21.39 | Xorm | lulz. |
| 23:21.39 | abrotman | bobby: ask #hardware |
| 23:21.51 | abrotman | bobby: read your manual .. ask the manuf .. |
| 23:21.54 | Xorm | hmm |
| 23:21.54 | bedouin | seems to just have started appearing recently |
| 23:21.55 | liable | octan: wrong nick, just woke up.. |
| 23:22.01 | Xorm | my mouse keeps freezing up |
| 23:22.10 | Xorm | It did this when i had windows too. |
| 23:22.13 | abrotman | bedouin: ask #debianppc .. see if they have an idea |
| 23:22.18 | XrMb2 | try macOS |
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| 23:22.22 | abrotman | bedouin: or try to narrow it down |
| 23:23.07 | robin_sz | karsten, I rarely agree with rms, he takes it all a step too far... IMHO. Linus take a more pragmatic approach, and at the end of the day , Linux is his baby. the GNU/Hurd stuff is not that big a deal anymore |
| 23:23.24 | abrotman | was it ever? |
| 23:23.24 | anabain | does colour matter in LAN RJ45 cabling, or it only matters cable position actually? |
| 23:23.34 | robin_sz | mmm nope |
| 23:23.35 | abrotman | anabain: it mostly doesn't matter .. |
| 23:23.41 | robin_sz | fair point |
| 23:23.59 | anabain | mostly? what does it mean, abrotman ? |
| 23:24.02 | abrotman | bedouin: google didn't say anything ? |
| 23:24.15 | abrotman | anabain: it means .. it mostly doesn't matter .. it'll work fine for most things |
| 23:24.39 | bedouin | abort: i got 0 results |
| 23:24.40 | karsten | robin_sz: I disagree. I think the freedom aspect is critical. Seeing a bunch of stuff coming out of the Intel Developers' Forum last spring with the preboot and virtualization / encapsulation concepts being bandied about, I can see a lot of cause for concern. |
| 23:24.59 | bedouin | would help if I knew what process or thing it was trying to accomplish when those errors popped up |
| 23:25.05 | anabain | ok, perhaps do you remember my crossover LAN problem between two PCs, abrotman. |
| 23:25.08 | karsten | robin_sz: Was working at a crypto vendor at the time. Naturally, they're not too keen on having something hidden away, privileged, under the hood while running their own code. |
| 23:25.13 | abrotman | anabain: vaguely |
| 23:25.23 | abrotman | bedouin: if you can type 'abrotman' .. it'll work way better |
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| 23:25.37 | pack | anabain: i think provided the pairs are in the same position you should be okay. the twisting of the wires is what give cat5 it's signal length |
| 23:26.22 | pack | serial would run a thousand feet if it were twisted pair (i think there is an extension to the serial RFC for devices that do that.) |
| 23:26.33 | abrotman | bedouin: i don't see anything either |
| 23:26.49 | bedouin | i found something in spanish |
| 23:26.50 | robin_sz | karsten, I lost it with RMS when he came out with "im writing this in emacs ( I dont use a closed source editor and neither shoudl you) "... and I thought to myself "fsck you, I'll use whatever I godamm please, thats my freedom!" and to be honest ive been irrationally anti RMS from that moment on |
| 23:26.52 | bedouin | i think |
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| 23:27.11 | karsten | robin_sz: Well, I use vim. |
| 23:27.18 | robin_sz | well mwhatever |
| 23:27.29 | abrotman | bedouin: if you can find out which script it is . might really help |
| 23:27.32 | karsten | robin_sz: I *don't* use MS Word if at all possible. Tools are one thing, formats another. |
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| 23:27.46 | bedouin | seems related to /etc/discover.conf |
| 23:27.53 | anabain | abrotman, pack: PC2 gigabit ---->cat5e/crossover 4 pair (not respecting color conventions)---> PC1 gigabit, only works if put on 10Mpbs; if PC2 100/10 ---->cat5e/crossover 4 pair ---> PC1 gigabit, works in 100 Mbps, weird!!! |
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| 23:28.37 | abrotman | bedouin: i'd guess udev-mtab |
| 23:28.56 | abrotman | anabain: this is bad? |
| 23:29.03 | robin_sz | anabain, you must use the pairs inthe right places, or even at 100mbs ot goes screwy |
| 23:29.11 | bedouin | yeah, that would make sense since I was messing with udev and hotplug to get stuff working |
| 23:29.18 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:29.19 | robin_sz | the colour of the pairs matters not, but the placement does |
| 23:29.22 | pack | (this is why i purchase cables and don't make them myself) |
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| 23:29.33 | robin_sz | not always a certainty |
| 23:29.39 | abrotman | bedouin: you can look in the bts for udev issues |
| 23:29.47 | bedouin | bts? |
| 23:29.49 | robin_sz | seen bad cables from stores before now |
| 23:30.01 | n3kl | Anyone know of a system load monitor for the cli I could pull values from ? |
| 23:30.12 | Nazcafan | hi, my syslog and other logs are being flooded by evbug module |
| 23:30.21 | anabain | abrotman: it isn't? gigabit -- gigabit only at 10 Mbps but 100/10 -- gigabit at 100 Mbps? |
| 23:30.22 | _paco_ | my freshly installed debian does weird things look at this http://www.nolur.com/?i=_paco_ |
| 23:30.25 | Nazcafan | how do I disable it at startup ? |
| 23:30.34 | zinx | robin_sz: omg no the red wire is different from the blue wire |
| 23:30.40 | zinx | robin_sz: that's why you always cut the red wire |
| 23:30.52 | jelly-home | anabain: I bet those gigabit card would work if you forced them both to 100Mbps. |
| 23:31.08 | pack | n3kl: top does batch mode |
| 23:31.15 | robin_sz | probably |
| 23:31.35 | anabain | ok, jelly-home, how do I make it in debian? |
| 23:32.01 | karsten | n3kl: Depends what loads you want. 'uptime', 'free', 'iostat', and 'vmstat', as well as 'ps' are your friends. |
| 23:32.35 | pack | karsten: sssshhh...think about how much he'll learn about regexs by using top -b -n1 |
| 23:32.37 | jelly-home | anabain: using ethtool, I think. Or maybe mii-tool |
| 23:32.46 | karsten | pack: ;-) |
| 23:32.49 | anabain | ok, thanx |
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| 23:34.06 | Nazcafan | hello, is there a specific debian way to disable a module at startup ? |
| 23:34.17 | Nazcafan | (not to load it actually) |
| 23:34.22 | abrotman | anabain: sounds like bum cables |
| 23:34.23 | Firestarter | is there an easy way to add a large amount of links to jpg files I have in a folder to an html file |
| 23:34.25 | fasta | !blacklist |
| 23:34.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 23:34.33 | abrotman | fasta: you can msg the bot too |
| 23:34.42 | fasta | abrotman: I was helping Nazcafan |
| 23:34.43 | n3kl | karsten: I am just looking for a way to find out how hard my cpu is working on an average of like three intervals |
| 23:34.44 | karsten | Firestarter: search for gallery software. |
| 23:34.51 | fasta | abrotman: I could use tell indeed |
| 23:34.53 | karsten | n3kl: 'uptime' |
| 23:34.55 | Firestarter | ok |
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| 23:35.01 | fasta | abrotman: did you mean that? |
| 23:35.14 | abrotman | nope .. i missed his question |
| 23:35.17 | karsten | !tell Firestarter about search |
| 23:35.24 | karsten | Firestarter: ... FYI ^^ |
| 23:35.29 | abrotman | oh .. this is going to be fun .. broken gnome coming!@ |
| 23:35.39 | n3kl | karsten: how long does that go back to find out how hard your system isworking |
| 23:35.40 | karsten | abrotman: Is there any other kind? |
| 23:35.41 | Nazcafan | fasta: thanks a lot, I'll try to blacklist evbug |
| 23:35.43 | chealer | abrotman: coming, or arriver already? |
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| 23:35.53 | fasta | abrotman: in sid? |
| 23:35.53 | chealer | s/arriver/arrived |
| 23:35.55 | abrotman | chealer: kde sucks! |
| 23:35.59 | pack | why will there be a broken gnome? |
| 23:36.02 | abrotman | chealer: in etch ... 85MB of gnome-ish updates |
| 23:36.12 | _paco_ | http://www.nolur.com/?i=_paco_ kde owns |
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| 23:36.16 | fasta | abrotman: works fine here |
| 23:36.24 | abrotman | fasta: i'm not running sid |
| 23:36.28 | jelly-home | n3kl: uptime gives three numbers, a moving average for 1, 5 and 15 minutes respectively. |
| 23:36.32 | chealer | abrotman: anyway, the RMs had to do a choice. they looked at what already sucked, and... >:] |
| 23:36.37 | fasta | abrotman: me neither :) |
| 23:36.37 | karsten | abrotman: If KDE's good enough for Jack Bauer, it's good enough for me. |
| 23:36.51 | fasta | karsten: ? |
| 23:36.55 | abrotman | karsten: yes .. because FOX is the basis for all my life goals |
| 23:37.01 | fasta | karsten: Did they use it in the series? |
| 23:37.09 | anabain | jelly-home, pack, btw, my Tx1000 4 pair crossover connection is this (from pin 1 to 8): 1) orange-w / green-w; 2) orange / blue; 3) green-w; orange-w; 4) green / brown-w; 5) blue-w / brown; 6) blue / orange; 7) brown-w / green; 8) brown / blue-w |
| 23:37.18 | chealer | abrotman: I had 75 package upgrades, presumably more than 85 MB :) |
| 23:37.30 | chealer | abrotman: only openoffice.org-gtk got uninstallable |
| 23:37.31 | karsten | fasta: http://jriddell.org/24-kde.html |
| 23:37.32 | abrotman | tomorrow wil be more gnome stuff |
| 23:37.35 | jelly-home | anabain: I won't touch that with a 10-foot brand-name cat5e |
| 23:37.45 | n3kl | jelly-home: those are the three fields for load time? |
| 23:37.53 | karsten | fasta: I noticed another screenshot in season 2 with a vertical panel. |
| 23:38.02 | karsten | fasta: Clearly visible: kmail, gimp, xmms |
| 23:38.20 | karsten | abrotman: Even a stopped clock's right sometimes. |
| 23:38.25 | anabain | jelly-home, I don't understand you. I have made the cable myself |
| 23:38.27 | fasta | karsten: nice |
| 23:38.28 | Nazcafan | fasta: I got a problem |
| 23:38.38 | jelly-home | n3kl: for "load average" |
| 23:38.43 | Nazcafan | evbug is already blacklisted |
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| 23:38.46 | abrotman | karsten: uhm .. so is our president .. doesn't make it good |
| 23:38.46 | fasta | Nazcafan: just tell the whole channel without naming me in specific. |
| 23:38.51 | n3kl | jelly-home: k, never knew that, thanks |
| 23:39.04 | n3kl | anyone know what I could run on my system to max out my cpu? |
| 23:39.10 | abrotman | cpuburn |
| 23:39.18 | abrotman | it only ever killed one machine for me |
| 23:39.22 | karsten | abrotman: Of course, WindowMaker is the One True Desktop, but KDE's usable. |
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| 23:39.38 | fasta | ratpoison is what the cool people run |
| 23:39.41 | Nazcafan | evbug is loaded at startup but I checked /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and it is indeed blacklisted |
| 23:39.43 | jelly-home | anabain: I meant I don't have any idea about requirements for Gbit copper cables. |
| 23:39.53 | chealer | it's too bad that tarzeau isn't there to discuss |
| 23:40.04 | anabain | ok, jelly-home |
| 23:40.09 | pack | holy shit, do you actually use openstep? |
| 23:40.10 | Nazcafan | any idea of how to get rid of it ? |
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| 23:40.37 | karsten | fasta: pwm |
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| 23:41.21 | fasta | karsten: Is that a wm or a statement? |
| 23:41.27 | abrotman | karsten: usable != good |
| 23:41.45 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: maybe you have it in /etc/modules |
| 23:41.45 | fasta | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PWM_(window_manager) |
| 23:41.57 | fasta | No, shit, who would have thought that... |
| 23:42.06 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: no I already checked it is not there |
| 23:42.10 | karsten | fasta: pwm is a tabbed wm similar to ion. |
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| 23:42.19 | fasta | karsten: yeah, I can see. |
| 23:42.23 | karsten | abrotman: KDE >> GNOME IME. |
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| 23:42.45 | abrotman | you also drive a ford |
| 23:42.45 | karsten | abrotman: cleaner, cleaner deps, more configurable, better power-user features. |
| 23:42.51 | karsten | abrotman: mazda, thanks. |
| 23:42.54 | abrotman | ford |
| 23:42.56 | abrotman | same damn thing |
| 23:43.16 | pack | Everyone I know with a Mazda has a coke habit. |
| 23:43.20 | abrotman | see! |
| 23:43.35 | karsten | pack: I drink only espresso, water, and grapefruit juice. |
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| 23:43.42 | blindedy | hola |
| 23:43.51 | blindedy | como estan |
| 23:43.59 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:43.59 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:44.13 | karsten | blindedy: bueno. Hable englais? |
| 23:44.20 | pack | karsten: yeah, but you need to be snorting something to bo driving a mazda. perhaps you enjoy the pixiesniffs? |
| 23:44.46 | pack | karsten: also, your stomach must be made of iron to only drink that. |
| 23:45.01 | karsten | pack: iron? Feh. |
| 23:45.02 | jelly-home | what's wrong with Mazda? :-) |
| 23:45.04 | karsten | pack: Titanium. |
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| 23:45.24 | abrotman | jelly-home: owned by ford .. they screw up everything ... ask the people who buy jags |
| 23:45.45 | karsten | abrotman: Um. Jag can screw it up by themselves, thanks. |
| 23:46.01 | anabain | is "IEEE802.p" related to speed in LAN connections? |
| 23:46.35 | karsten | anabain: http://www.ieee802.org/ |
| 23:47.08 | abrotman | karsten: i'm pretty sure you've gotten lost and banged your head |
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| 23:48.01 | ice_1963 | and i thoght it was what you liked hmmm |
| 23:48.13 | karsten | abrotman: Point? |
| 23:48.22 | pack | english people made cars about as well as they made cuisine. |
| 23:48.24 | abrotman | karsten: you're obviously confused :) |
| 23:48.36 | abrotman | pack: aston martin ? |
| 23:48.58 | abrotman | bentley? |
| 23:49.04 | karsten | abrotman: Of course. I'm talking to you. |
| 23:49.26 | karsten | anabain: ieee 802.3 is ethernet. |
| 23:49.27 | pack | i'd use a aston martin and bentley as a bangers and eggs analogy. |
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| 23:49.39 | abrotman | karsten: you drive a mazda .. try not to get too uppity |
| 23:49.52 | karsten | anabain: 802 in general is LAN standards. |
| 23:49.59 | Nazcafan | I renamed evbug.ko to evbug.dummy |
| 23:50.01 | karsten | abrotman: Um. Who's uppity? |
| 23:50.13 | Nazcafan | should leave me in peace |
| 23:50.14 | abrotman | you? |
| 23:50.15 | karsten | anabain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802 |
| 23:50.48 | karsten | abrotman: Oddly enough, it was another who was talking smack. |
| 23:51.09 | pack | karsten: my ears are burning. |
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| 23:52.06 | pack | That reminds me of a scene from the new jackass movie. High brow cinema if i've ever seen it. Very dada |
| 23:52.49 | SerajewelKS | why would amarok kill an XMMS vis plugin it's running right after it starts? |
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| 23:55.14 | plb | yay iceweasel |
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| 23:56.38 | plb | this guys stuff is incredible http://youtube.com/watch?v=dyPhCO3LrtQ |
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