| 00:01.16 | karsten | plb: Pretty sweet. |
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| 00:01.29 | plb | indeed |
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| 00:01.33 | plb | I wonder where that is |
| 00:01.49 | SerajewelKS | while we're on youtube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw |
| 00:01.53 | karsten | plb: wikipedia. UK & oz. |
| 00:02.10 | karsten | plb: http://users.skynet.be/J.Beever/pave.htm |
| 00:02.14 | plb | cool |
| 00:02.28 | karsten | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Beever |
| 00:02.41 | plb | heh saw that white and nerdy one a few days ago |
| 00:02.55 | karsten | plb: Art like that tends to be *very* perspective-dependent. The camera has to be in the right place. |
| 00:03.20 | abrotman | art is crap! |
| 00:03.25 | abrotman | oh wait . that's arts |
| 00:03.34 | zinx | haha |
| 00:03.42 | plb | yeah....that guy is quite creative I must say |
| 00:03.54 | zinx | kinda like sound is crap? :D |
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| 00:04.45 | plb | eh so are we going to be calling ff iceweasel now or what? ;] |
| 00:04.45 | dan2 | karsten: that ford was found on road dead just before it was about to hit abrotman |
| 00:04.52 | dan2 | abrotman: ^^ |
| 00:05.01 | cureless | arts was solving a problem in its day. |
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| 00:05.17 | plb | kde arts? ack |
| 00:05.25 | dan2 | karsten: hahahahahha |
| 00:05.29 | plb | least kde 4 has phonon |
| 00:05.30 | dan2 | ~alsa dmixer |
| 00:05.35 | dan2 | ~dmix |
| 00:05.37 | plb | or whatever its called |
| 00:05.38 | abrotman | karsten: can i at least be a truck ? |
| 00:05.43 | jelly-home | s/ford/fyord/ |
| 00:05.48 | dan2 | abrotman: you're a ford focus |
| 00:05.52 | dan2 | muahahahahahahha |
| 00:05.56 | abrotman | you mean S40? |
| 00:06.07 | karsten | dan2: No, one thing abrotman lacks ... |
| 00:06.10 | karsten | dan2: ... is focus. |
| 00:06.12 | zinx | dmix is crap too, but at least it's low-latency crap |
| 00:06.17 | plb | he is a honda civic |
| 00:06.17 | dan2 | karsten: that's the irony |
| 00:06.28 | dan2 | plb: that would be high quality, but small |
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| 00:06.38 | plb | how about a pinto then |
| 00:06.50 | dan2 | plb: how about a volkswagon bus |
| 00:06.56 | plb | heh |
| 00:07.11 | plb | he's just a bike |
| 00:07.19 | karsten | dan2: kia? |
| 00:07.25 | dan2 | karsten: you have me beat there |
| 00:07.37 | dan2 | karsten: hyundai's fold in like cardboard boxes tho |
| 00:08.04 | abrotman | what .. noone wants me to be a yugo ? |
| 00:08.13 | cureless | I was thinking about it |
| 00:08.18 | karsten | abrotman: We're concerned about brand dilution. |
| 00:08.22 | cureless | but then realized yugo's have been around for a long time |
| 00:08.29 | cureless | yugos* |
| 00:08.35 | raf256 | is there a problem with debian's FTP? |
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| 00:08.41 | abrotman | cureless: garden planters don't count :) |
| 00:08.51 | dan2 | karsten: how about a honda fit... just came out this year. A super powerful 109 hp |
| 00:08.54 | dan2 | ;) |
| 00:09.00 | stew | raf256: you have to be more specific, debian has hundreds of ftp servers |
| 00:09.01 | dan2 | karsten: yes 109hp |
| 00:09.06 | plb | so whats the deal with firefox...anyone know...will we be calling it the iceweasel... |
| 00:09.09 | karsten | dan2: Y'know, it's small, but well-received so far. |
| 00:09.15 | raf256 | stew: ftp://ftp.debian.org timeouts all the time today |
| 00:09.18 | karsten | plb: ask Mozilla.org |
| 00:09.21 | dan2 | karsten: does the thing even get to 60/mph? |
| 00:09.25 | raf256 | I am trying since ~30 minutes |
| 00:09.25 | stew | raf256: which server? |
| 00:09.27 | plb | erm I'm going to thinking of Paully short if that is the case..noooooooo |
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| 00:09.31 | plb | shore |
| 00:09.33 | raf256 | Get: 3 ftp://ftp.debian.org testing Release.gpg [189B] <-- times out |
| 00:09.43 | stew | raf256: which ip address? |
| 00:09.48 | craigevil | so try using the http instaed of the ftp |
| 00:09.59 | stew | actually that is only one |
| 00:10.11 | raf256 | stew: ping returns debian-mirror.mirror.umn.edu (128.101.240.212) |
| 00:10.20 | karsten | abrotman: worst resale values, #2, Ford F-150 |
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| 00:10.23 | karsten | abrotman: http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp;jsessionid=VZNHQGDG0ERU1LAYIE0U2UY?section=buy&story=loResidual&subject=best_resale&referer=&aff=national |
| 00:10.33 | abrotman | who invents american tv shows ... |
| 00:10.33 | stew | raf256: use http://ftp.debian.org instead |
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| 00:10.41 | abrotman | karsten: i didn't want to be a damn 150 bastard |
| 00:10.49 | raf256 | stew: why? O_oi |
| 00:10.53 | plb | abrotman: which show? |
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| 00:11.08 | dan2 | karsten: no, he wants to be a tailgating F-150 with eagles para fanalia |
| 00:11.08 | karsten | abrotman: OK, you're just an F150 bastard now. |
| 00:11.09 | stew | raf256: becuase it works and http is faster anyway |
| 00:11.11 | abrotman | plb: deal / no deal |
| 00:11.16 | plb | never heard of it |
| 00:11.19 | thinkweird | does debian have good support for ibm thinkpad t43? |
| 00:11.22 | raf256 | http is faster then FTP for transfering files? |
| 00:11.23 | dan2 | abrotman: you're a tailgating F-150 with eagles para fanalia |
| 00:11.30 | stew | raf256: yes. much |
| 00:11.33 | SkareCrow | hrm can someone help me out plz im havin some probs with this |
| 00:11.33 | raf256 | woah |
| 00:11.38 | abrotman | dan2: what .. no flyers crap ? |
| 00:11.39 | SkareCrow | warpedcoders:/home/skarecrow/Backup# mount -t smbfs -o username=skarecrow,guest //Crazedcoder/BDrive-Test /home/skarecrow/Backup/bdrive/ |
| 00:11.39 | SkareCrow | warpedcoders:/home/skarecrow/Backup# cd bdrive/ |
| 00:11.39 | SkareCrow | warpedcoders:/home/skarecrow/Backup/bdrive# ls |
| 00:11.39 | SkareCrow | ls: reading directory .: Permission denied |
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| 00:11.41 | dan2 | abrotman: worst resale value in the book by far |
| 00:11.42 | raf256 | I thought it is reccomended to use ftp O_o |
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| 00:11.52 | SkareCrow | i thought that was 3 lines |
| 00:11.52 | stew | raf256: definately not, /msg dpkg ftp must die |
| 00:11.56 | karsten | !tell SkareCrow about flood |
| 00:11.59 | abrotman | you thought wrong |
| 00:12.01 | karsten | !tell SkareCrow about paste |
| 00:12.08 | dvs | SkareCrow: Dont paste in here at all |
| 00:12.10 | secher__ | If I 'adduser --system --ingroup FTP' will that disallow shell login? Or is there a better/correct method? |
| 00:12.23 | stew | raf256: ftp to ftp.debian.org is working for me |
| 00:12.31 | raf256 | stew: well it fails here |
| 00:12.34 | raf256 | http do work |
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| 00:12.45 | dan2 | abrotman: I bet the eagles aren't going to win the superbowl this year |
| 00:12.53 | dan2 | any takers? |
| 00:13.05 | abrotman | dan2: duh |
| 00:13.22 | dan2 | abrotman: hell, I'll be optimistic. They won't win a superbowl for at least the next 5 years |
| 00:13.30 | raf256 | stew: thanks |
| 00:13.31 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:13.56 | secher__ | #american_football is thataway ---> |
| 00:13.59 | SkareCrow | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste <-- Can someone help me with this |
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| 00:14.16 | SkareCrow | shit |
| 00:14.17 | SkareCrow | hld on |
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| 00:14.25 | karsten | dan2: specs on fit. 14s to 70mph: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=109810/pageId=69465 |
| 00:14.27 | SkareCrow | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3858 <-- can someone help me with this |
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| 00:14.36 | dan2 | karsten: 14s/!??!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?! |
| 00:14.42 | abrotman | karsten: that list is bunk .. htf does a cooper have better resale than a carrera ? |
| 00:14.47 | dan2 | karsten: that's probably going down hill too |
| 00:14.50 | raf256 | dan2: !!111oneoneone |
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| 00:15.19 | karsten | abrotman: could be recent year stuff. A number of the low-resale vehicles have bad fuel efficiency. |
| 00:15.21 | Dorfl | Hello. I had a couple questions about apt. Initially, is there some way to limit the source to eg exclude anything requiring like gtk/atk or X, as this machine has only a console and no X server or desktop environment. |
| 00:15.34 | karsten | abrotman: cooper is an econobox with attitude and pimpitude. |
| 00:15.40 | karsten | bbl |
| 00:15.42 | abrotman | not that econo |
| 00:16.04 | petemc | Dorfl: sure, dont install any packages that require X.. |
| 00:16.11 | karsten | abrotman: Reasonably. |
| 00:16.12 | LKhaos | Hello. I've had problems today trying to get my x-server to start (it worked yesterday). I complains about the kbd module mismatch and says I have no core keyboard-- any ideas how to resolve |
| 00:16.14 | nkuttler | Dorfl: /msg dpkg remove x, kde, gnome etc |
| 00:16.14 | Dorfl | Also there are several packages [notably kismet and morse] which require the xserver bundle but work just fine without an x server running at all, so having to install X just to get those are really annoying. |
| 00:16.36 | abrotman | Dorfl: really install X .. or just xlibs ? |
| 00:16.46 | karsten | abrotman: about the same as my 3 FWIW. |
| 00:16.47 | abrotman | karsten: damn confusing website too |
| 00:16.55 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, yeah. |
| 00:17.02 | abrotman | karsten: they can be *way* more |
| 00:17.35 | Dorfl | abrotman: x11-common and xlibs |
| 00:17.46 | abrotman | that's not really X |
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| 00:19.00 | anabain | does anybody know how to list the options with which a module driver is loaded? |
| 00:19.47 | abrotman | modinfo ? |
| 00:19.54 | SerajewelKS | lsmod? |
| 00:19.58 | SerajewelKS | err no |
| 00:20.20 | SerajewelKS | grr, /me slaps amarok |
| 00:21.01 | anabain | modinfo, thanx |
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| 00:23.26 | raf256 | W: GPG error: http://192.168.44.20 unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 2 |
| 00:23.26 | raf256 | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 00:23.27 | raf256 | wtf? |
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| 00:23.41 | raf256 | E: Error occurred while processing umbrello (NewVersion1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 00:24.01 | dondelelcaro | raf256: you either have too many sources in your sources.list, or your status file or Packages files are corrupted. |
| 00:24.09 | Dorfl | abrotman: Thank you, I was confused about that. There was sommat that was trying to have all the xserver bundles installed when I upgraded, but I'm not getting that anymore. |
| 00:24.10 | raf256 | in apt-get update |
| 00:24.25 | abrotman | Dorfl: no problem |
| 00:27.47 | raf256 | thanks for the hel... |
| 00:27.57 | raf256 | *help. This problem occurs only with unstable |
| 00:28.04 | raf256 | testing & stable are ok |
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| 00:29.03 | tokil | If I'm in a rescue-shell of beta3, how can I amend the kernel so it can boot without a boot loader? |
| 00:29.41 | tokil | Or... why does etch crash when I try to either load up grub or lilo? |
| 00:30.05 | nvz | put the crack pipe down and back away slowly... this is an intervention |
| 00:30.09 | StFS | can anyone tell me how I block a specific module from loading at startup and instead use a different one? I have a raid controller that needs a custom module (hpt374) but there is another module that gets loaded (hpt366) and it sees my raid controller as a regular IDE controller (and gives me 3 HDs with a lot of errors instead of one larger disk) |
| 00:30.21 | tokil | lol nvz |
| 00:31.19 | abrotman | !tell StFS about blacklist |
| 00:31.25 | nvz | man I am tired and I didnt do anything today really. |
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| 00:32.11 | nvz | I scored about $200 of ebayables from my parents house and some of my winter clothes while I was up there though :) |
| 00:32.14 | tokil | any suggestions about working with the kernel for no bootloader/ |
| 00:32.25 | nvz | tokil: any clues as to wtf you are talking about? |
| 00:32.57 | tokil | If I'm in a rescue-shell of beta3, how can I amend the kernel so it can boot without a boot loader? |
| 00:32.59 | StFS | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:33.09 | tokil | Or... why does etch crash when I try to either load up grub or lilo? |
| 00:33.16 | nvz | tokil: ok seriously quit talking stupid and tell me what the damn problem is |
| 00:33.17 | tokil | During install for the second part |
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| 00:33.30 | tokil | nuz: ok seriously stop being rude |
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| 00:34.04 | nvz | tokil: you cant come in here with a problem you cant solve on yourt own and propose a solution to it.. beceuase its obvious 1) you have no idea whats going wrong and 2) you dont know how to fix it. |
| 00:34.33 | nvz | tokil: the kernel is far too large to fit on the MBR and not designed to load itself |
| 00:34.46 | tokil | nvz I am trying to load up etch on a system, and during install Grub and Lilo both are unable to be installed. So I opted out for bootloader. After you say no bootloader, etch says to get into the kernel and amend it with root=/dev/hde1 as a kernel arguement |
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| 00:35.23 | dendrite | tokil: Does your computer have anti-virus stuff enabled in its BIOS? |
| 00:35.33 | tokil | dendrite: I doubt but let me check |
| 00:35.52 | nvz | this so-called anti virus stuff tries to detect and prevent changes to the MBR |
| 00:35.57 | tokil | dendrite: I had 2.4 sarge installed before, and it worked fine, grub that is |
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| 00:36.00 | petemc | dendrite: there exists bioses that see linux as a virus? |
| 00:36.12 | dendrite | petemc: They see attempts to update MBR as viral. |
| 00:36.15 | nvz | petemc: yes more like anything that tries to write to an MBR |
| 00:36.21 | petemc | oh |
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| 00:36.43 | anti-trend | the MBR antivirus is a knee-jerk reaction to some early 90's virii :P |
| 00:36.52 | petemc | chenobyl? |
| 00:36.52 | petemc | sp |
| 00:36.56 | dendrite | Yup. |
| 00:37.02 | nvz | anti-trend: viruses |
| 00:37.07 | tokil | dendrite: No antivirus on bions |
| 00:37.09 | dendrite | petemc: There were quite a few bootstrap viruses. |
| 00:37.10 | tokil | bios |
| 00:37.39 | dendrite | tokil: Just a thought. You're going to need to have some sort of boot loader, or at least a boot diskette (icky) |
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| 00:37.57 | nvz | the Monkey strains were the worst of teh MBR viruses I can recall |
| 00:38.01 | tokil | dendrite: Ok, what is the best way to go about it? |
| 00:38.07 | nvz | only one of the 3 I recall was treatable |
| 00:38.09 | anti-trend | nvz: so I suppose you say "dices" as well instead of "die"? :) |
| 00:38.29 | nvz | anti-trend: no I just say dice |
| 00:38.37 | nvz | anti-trend: when using it plural |
| 00:38.39 | tokil | die = singular |
| 00:38.41 | tokil | dice = plural |
| 00:38.41 | dendrite | tokil: During install. If you can be very specific and descriptive of what you're seeing in the way of errors, then *maybe* folks here can help. |
| 00:38.53 | tokil | =( Ok i'll reinstall i guess |
| 00:38.55 | mhall | Alright so I have a copy of X which insists on running the monitor at 75 Hz even though it's an LCD panel so the display quality gets sorta bad. I tried to make force it to 60 with HorizSync and VertRefresh as well as by also disabling the DDC module but neither solution makes it listen to me. |
| 00:38.57 | anti-trend | ah, point taken |
| 00:39.08 | nvz | anti-trend: you are not even making a valid argument let alone understanding the latin vowel/plurals rules |
| 00:39.24 | nvz | virus isnt latin IIRC and doesnt fit the rule to begin with |
| 00:39.31 | petemc | weee |
| 00:39.34 | tokil | mhall: I think if you restrict both h and v ranges to 60hz it will make it better |
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| 00:40.07 | mhall | tokil: you can't restrict horiz to 60 hz |
| 00:40.13 | mhall | tokil: horiz is measure in khz |
| 00:40.29 | azeem | I thought it was the other way round |
| 00:40.31 | tokil | mhall: when you configure xserver you can do advanced lcd monitor |
| 00:41.38 | nvz | I thought the penguins liked cheese... |
| 00:41.48 | tokil | hertz = hz |
| 00:42.07 | mhall | azeem: no it's not |
| 00:42.39 | azeem | ok |
| 00:43.15 | anabain | is there any other tool than mii-tool or ethtool to change ethX settings? Thestwo don't work with my NIC 3com |
| 00:43.27 | abrotman | those are it afaik |
| 00:43.42 | nvz | at least on this planet.. |
| 00:43.47 | dondelelcaro | anabain: what particular ethX settings do you want to change? |
| 00:43.56 | nvz | ET might be able to phone home and find you something |
| 00:44.48 | mhall | This is completely weird. Why is X ignoring my display options? |
| 00:45.07 | nvz | would it be too obvious to say thats because its ignorant? |
| 00:45.19 | anabain | dondelelcaro, I want to force eth0 to 1000 speed, as I want to connect two pcs with gigabit cards on both, and I'm having weird problems... |
| 00:45.37 | abrotman | still ... |
| 00:45.43 | anabain | yes, abrotman |
| 00:45.49 | abrotman | permanently ... |
| 00:46.00 | anabain | I'm afraid so... |
| 00:46.29 | anabain | If you're tired, imagine me, abrotman... |
| 00:46.50 | abrotman | anabain: i'm mentally tired .. not physically |
| 00:47.18 | anabain | tired/annoyed/bored, whatever you want |
| 00:47.31 | mhall | Ah, at long last I figured it out. I810 has its own integrated and broken DDC support. |
| 00:47.36 | abrotman | anabain: are you sure it's not a cable issue ? |
| 00:47.44 | dondelelcaro | anabain: well, miitool is the way you do that, but you shouldn't need to do it. |
| 00:47.54 | tokil | Does debian, particular etch have issues with older systems? |
| 00:48.03 | abrotman | how much older? |
| 00:48.03 | dondelelcaro | anabain: indeed, if modern nics won't autonegotiate the proper speed, something is wrong. |
| 00:48.10 | tokil | built in 2k1 |
| 00:48.15 | dondelelcaro | tokil: no |
| 00:48.19 | dondelelcaro | tokil: err... no problem. |
| 00:48.25 | zinx | tokil: it requires a good bit of ram to install |
| 00:48.35 | anabain | yes, abrotman, 'cause pc2 100/10 card ---> crossover 4 pair cat5e ----> 1000 pc1 works at 100 |
| 00:48.35 | tokil | zinx: 200mb sufficient? |
| 00:48.36 | zinx | good bit being around 48 |
| 00:48.39 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: they're close |
| 00:48.44 | zinx | tokil: oh, yeah, that's plenty |
| 00:48.52 | dendrite | anabain: Without scrolling up, you are connecting two NIC's directly together? You do have a crossover cable? |
| 00:48.53 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: surprisingly so on this keyboard, actually... |
| 00:49.02 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: what kind of keyboard is it ? |
| 00:49.17 | tokil | Does anyone know of an uber-fast formating self-booting software? |
| 00:49.19 | anabain | dendrite: crossover 4 pair cat5e |
| 00:49.32 | abrotman | tokil: to do what ? |
| 00:49.38 | tokil | tokil:....format |
| 00:49.43 | tokil | abrotman ^ |
| 00:49.53 | dendrite | anabain: And sometimes bad cables can display symptoms... |
| 00:49.55 | tokil | abrotman: I think the MBr is jacked up giving me grub instlal problems |
| 00:49.59 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/2003/04_april/kinesis_04092003.jpg |
| 00:50.17 | zinx | i couldn't stand that |
| 00:50.26 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: uhm .. you lost your mouse :) |
| 00:50.37 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: mouse? who needs a mouse? |
| 00:50.39 | zinx | abrotman: please, ctrl-alt-numlock |
| 00:51.04 | zinx | wait, that think has no numeric keypad |
| 00:51.05 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i just use it to click on links .. that's about it |
| 00:51.08 | zinx | erh, thing |
| 00:51.17 | anabain | dondelelcaro, what do you mean "modern"? PC1 Gbit NIC was issued in 2003, PC2's, last july |
| 00:51.35 | tokil | abrotman: I think the MBr is jacked up giving me grub instlal problems, thats why i'm loking for a fast formatter that wil lget the mbr too |
| 00:51.40 | dondelelcaro | anabain: I'm talking anything post about 1995. |
| 00:51.54 | dondelelcaro | if it doesn 100bT/FD, it'll negotiate properly. |
| 00:52.07 | abrotman | tokil: you mean you want to destroy the contents of the drive ? |
| 00:52.26 | tokil | abrotman: Just a quick format nothing indepth |
| 00:52.36 | abrotman | tokil: dban kills data .. DEAD! dunno how fast it is on a slower box |
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| 00:53.00 | tokil | abrotman: dban is excessive and takes a long time for 1 pass |
| 00:53.07 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 00:53.20 | abrotman | tokil: just grab a liveCD .. and use 'dd' |
| 00:53.21 | tokil | abrotman any other suggestions? |
| 00:53.32 | tokil | what does dd do? |
| 00:53.51 | abrotman | dd if=/dev/zero of=<yourharddrive> bs=1024 |
| 00:54.02 | abrotman | it'll just overwrite it with zeroes |
| 00:54.11 | nvz | dd - convert and copy a file |
| 00:54.20 | tokil | the mbr part? |
| 00:54.45 | dendrite | tokil: dban starts off zeroing out critical sections, before it starts chewing away. |
| 00:55.02 | nvz | your drive's manufacturer would generally ship a low-level format utility |
| 00:55.06 | dendrite | tokil: The MBR is only the first 512 bytes. |
| 00:55.10 | abrotman | nvz: barely any do that anymore |
| 00:55.11 | tokil | ok |
| 00:55.15 | anabain | dondelelcaro, dendrite let me explain: PC2 1000 ---> crossover 4 pair cat5e ----> PC1 1000, doesn't work (orange blinking but nothing; bios LAN cable check feature complains); PC2 100/10 ----> same cable ---> PC1 1000 does work at 100; PC2 1000 ---> same cable ---> PC1 1000 works at 10, argh! |
| 00:56.19 | LiMaO | tokil: hey you =P |
| 00:56.19 | nvz | abrotman: western digital always has shipped a full suite of "Western Digital Data Lifegaurd Tools" as long as I can remember. included things like a drive copy, low-level format..etc |
| 00:56.19 | tokil | LiMaO: hey you |
| 00:56.20 | anabain | dondelelcaro, dendrite, I mean, if I set pc2 1000 NIC in winbug$ (!!!) at 10, then the connection works |
| 00:56.21 | abrotman | nvz: do they work in linux ? |
| 00:56.40 | dondelelcaro | anabain: that sounds like you have a really bad crossover cable. |
| 00:56.46 | nvz | abrotman: no and they dont work in Microsoft eityher.. they are shipped with their own DOS |
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| 00:57.04 | abrotman | ewww |
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| 00:57.11 | samuel | is there an xwinwrap equivalent for aiglx? |
| 00:58.10 | anabain | dondelelcaro, then why does it work PC2 100/10 ----> same cable ---> PC1 1000 at 100? Shouldn't PC2 1000 ---> PC1 1000 work at least at 100? |
| 00:58.13 | tokil | abrotman how long should 'dd if=dev/zero' etc take if i do bs 1024? |
| 00:58.37 | abrotman | depends on the size of the drive |
| 00:58.52 | tokil | is there a way to focus solely on the mbr? |
| 00:58.57 | nvz | tokil: note you have to use of= for your drive's device not a partition |
| 00:59.06 | abrotman | yeah ... just take out the first block |
| 00:59.07 | tokil | of=/dev/hde |
| 00:59.10 | tokil | correct? |
| 00:59.20 | nvz | the MBR _is_ the beginning of the drive |
| 00:59.33 | tokil | what do i need to add to the dd command to only go over the mbr? |
| 00:59.44 | abrotman | on which drive ? |
| 00:59.48 | tokil | main |
| 00:59.57 | tokil | ./dev/hde |
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| 01:00.04 | NagyZ | hello ppl |
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| 01:00.22 | NagyZ | I'm having some problems installing debian.. tried both sarge and etch3 daily iso... |
| 01:00.24 | NagyZ | anybody awake? :) |
| 01:00.29 | karsten | NagyZ: No. |
| 01:00.33 | NagyZ | :-) |
| 01:00.33 | karsten | !tell NagyZ about ask |
| 01:00.37 | abrotman | tokil: you ned to be VERY certain |
| 01:00.38 | karsten | !tell NagyZ about smart questions |
| 01:00.43 | NagyZ | I'm just asking 'cause its about 3 am here |
| 01:00.48 | karsten | !date |
| 01:00.48 | dpkg | The current date is 2006.09.26 1:00:48 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 01:00.54 | abrotman | go to sleep .. try again tomorrow |
| 01:00.55 | tokil | abrotman: I'm not sure what you are asking, how can i find out the information |
| 01:00.58 | NagyZ | so, these are brand new pcs with ICH8 |
| 01:00.59 | karsten | NagyZ: Not here. |
| 01:01.10 | karsten | Mon Sep 25 18:01:09 PDT 2006 |
| 01:01.11 | abrotman | tokil: just to make sure you know whewre the MBR is before you destory something else |
| 01:01.13 | karsten | There we go. |
| 01:01.29 | karsten | NagyZ: ICH8? |
| 01:01.32 | tokil | abrotman: understandable but I have to reinstall anyways. |
| 01:01.38 | NagyZ | and it basically has only a sata chip as I know, and the installer cant see the cdrom. yes, yes, I know, I've already tried passing the libata.atapi_enabled=1 option |
| 01:01.47 | NagyZ | but it didnt help |
| 01:01.52 | NagyZ | and I'm stuck. |
| 01:02.02 | karsten | NagyZ: ich8 == intel chipset, no? |
| 01:02.03 | abrotman | tokil: ok .. so dd if=/dev/zero of=<driveyouwant> bs=1024 count=1 |
| 01:02.06 | NagyZ | karsten yep |
| 01:02.13 | karsten | NagyZ: Where's the unstable/testing installer get stuck? |
| 01:02.20 | NagyZ | cant find the cdrom |
| 01:02.23 | tokil | 1+0 records in |
| 01:02.25 | NagyZ | just after selecting my keymap |
| 01:02.25 | tokil | 1+0 records out |
| 01:02.26 | dvs | MBR is only 512 bytes, right? |
| 01:02.36 | anabain | does anybody know how to change eth0 with mii-tool? # mii-tool outputs this: SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Bad address; no MII interfaces found |
| 01:02.40 | nvz | !MBR |
| 01:02.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, mbr is the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda" |
| 01:02.40 | karsten | dvs: key-recked, AFAIK. |
| 01:02.43 | NagyZ | and really, in dmesg, I see no cdrom :-) |
| 01:02.53 | karsten | anabain: IIRC ethtool or ethconfig? |
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| 01:03.13 | NagyZ | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataAtapiHowto |
| 01:03.18 | NagyZ | this is what I tried - and failed |
| 01:03.18 | dendrite | dvs: Yes. |
| 01:03.24 | karsten | NagyZ: Any other bootable options? Floppy or USB? |
| 01:03.33 | NagyZ | nothing.. |
| 01:03.36 | tokil | abrotman: that output looked correct? |
| 01:03.39 | anabain | karsten, ethtool doesn't work either, I'll try ethconfig |
| 01:03.45 | abrotman | correct ? |
| 01:03.49 | karsten | anabain: ethconfig may be my own imagination. |
| 01:03.53 | NagyZ | maybe I could set up a bootp server, but I've only managed to install windows yet on the pcs :) |
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| 01:04.12 | NagyZ | and I doubt there is any usable bootp server for windows |
| 01:04.25 | karsten | NagyZ: PXE is an option, sort of a pain for this purpose. Might be able to base it on Knoppix. |
| 01:04.30 | nvz | how much money you got? |
| 01:04.32 | nvz | ;) |
| 01:04.34 | NagyZ | knoppix didnt boot... |
| 01:04.35 | NagyZ | ;-) |
| 01:04.38 | tokil | abrotman sorry nevermind |
| 01:04.40 | karsten | NagyZ: No kidding. |
| 01:04.45 | karsten | NagyZ: Not a good sign. |
| 01:04.46 | NagyZ | but after googling, I've found lots of people having the same problem |
| 01:04.53 | anabain | karsten, yes, it was |
| 01:04.55 | NagyZ | and I've found a thread.. just need to look it up just a sec |
| 01:04.55 | abrotman | tokil: are you sure ? |
| 01:04.58 | anabain | :( |
| 01:05.06 | karsten | !bug 386916 |
| 01:05.06 | dpkg | bug 386916 can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386916 |
| 01:05.13 | karsten | NagyZ: ^^ |
| 01:05.15 | abrotman | anabain: hsave you tried another OS ? |
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| 01:05.24 | NagyZ | http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0609.1/1914.html |
| 01:05.49 | anabain | abrotman, yes, winbug$ |
| 01:06.15 | karsten | anabain: ^^ for NagyZ (my misfire) |
| 01:06.20 | abrotman | anabain: and ? |
| 01:06.22 | anabain | PC2 win ---> PC1 deb; in win forced 10 |
| 01:06.28 | NagyZ | karsten checking it out |
| 01:06.56 | karsten | NagyZ: possible driver: ata_piix. |
| 01:06.58 | anabain | it works, abrotman, between the two Gbits, weird!!! |
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| 01:07.11 | NagyZ | but its a bit different issue |
| 01:07.15 | abrotman | anabain: if you say so |
| 01:07.16 | NagyZ | karsten I know that's my driver. |
| 01:07.24 | NagyZ | but it doesnt detect my cdrom... |
| 01:07.26 | karsten | NagyZ: Can you get serial output on boot? |
| 01:07.29 | karsten | NagyZ: OK. |
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| 01:07.39 | NagyZ | I dont have a serial cable here |
| 01:07.46 | NagyZ | just setting up this lab here at the university.. |
| 01:07.47 | karsten | NagyZ: Get one ;-) |
| 01:07.52 | NagyZ | at 3am in the morning?:) |
| 01:07.55 | karsten | NagyZ: Very useful things. |
| 01:07.56 | anabain | abrotman, 10 = 1000? Bear in mind that PC2 100/10 card ---> PC1 1000 card works at 100 |
| 01:08.01 | karsten | NagyZ: Sure. |
| 01:08.01 | NagyZ | I'll order one |
| 01:08.03 | NagyZ | ;-)) |
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| 01:08.09 | karsten | ;-) |
| 01:08.09 | abrotman | anabain: beer? |
| 01:08.13 | NagyZ | but it takes up to 3 days to get here |
| 01:08.19 | karsten | NagyZ: Seriously, they're a damned useful bit of equipment to have. |
| 01:08.19 | NagyZ | so thats not our best shot now.. :) |
| 01:08.22 | nvz | dvs: ugh, what the hell you think you are gonna do with that? |
| 01:08.26 | karsten | NagyZ: No, not for now, but later. |
| 01:08.33 | anabain | abrotman, not now, heheh |
| 01:08.34 | NagyZ | karsten k, I'll order one. :-) |
| 01:08.39 | dvs | nvz: bring back bad school memories |
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| 01:09.11 | nvz | dvs: they had schools back then? I wouldnt know since those were prehistoric ages |
| 01:09.11 | karsten | NagyZ: Installer is booted on the box now? |
| 01:09.11 | NagyZ | karsten what could we do with this installer? I've tried gentoo 2006.1 also |
| 01:09.19 | NagyZ | yes, in front of me :-) |
| 01:09.26 | dvs | nvz: heh |
| 01:09.28 | NagyZ | I have 2 lcds right now |
| 01:09.30 | karsten | NagyZ: What are your boot options? CD, network, USB, floppy, ... ? |
| 01:09.42 | karsten | NagyZ: What version of Knoppix? |
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| 01:09.56 | NagyZ | well, nothing really. after selecting my keyboard layout, it sais: No common CD-ROM drive was detected. |
| 01:10.25 | anabain | beer perhaps not, but I'm seriously considering suicide. It's faster and less annoying for you, for example... |
| 01:10.25 | anabain | abrotman, --^ |
| 01:10.25 | NagyZ | it's the daily netinst image of testing |
| 01:10.42 | karsten | NagyZ: Was just going to ask. |
| 01:10.50 | nvz | dvs: I think thats what McDonalds uses.. "Par" POS system with Wise serial terminals for viewing/serving orders |
| 01:10.59 | abrotman | anabain: nope .. you're fine |
| 01:11.03 | pipeline | Wyse |
| 01:11.13 | nvz | yeah whatever :P |
| 01:11.25 | dvs | nvz: Really? Those funny touch pad things? |
| 01:11.29 | pipeline | Mickey D's also uses fucking SCO >:( |
| 01:11.33 | pipeline | OSR5 needs to die |
| 01:11.38 | nvz | heh |
| 01:11.53 | NagyZ | hm |
| 01:11.57 | NagyZ | there seems to be netcat there.. |
| 01:11.57 | nvz | I wasnt sure what that OS was I didnt play around with the stuff much |
| 01:12.10 | dvs | pipeline: no wonder why their food sucks! ;-) |
| 01:12.13 | NagyZ | bot no e1000 driver in the netinst cd |
| 01:12.32 | karsten | pipeline: Did. I think they've cleaned it out. |
| 01:12.39 | NagyZ | bot=but ;> |
| 01:13.01 | dvs | NagyZ: Did you try the linux26 option? |
| 01:13.23 | NagyZ | well, as this is the testing d-i, thats the default. |
| 01:13.26 | karsten | anabain: bug 385223 |
| 01:13.46 | dvs | right |
| 01:13.57 | anabain | ??? |
| 01:14.02 | NagyZ | > everything become good after I switch the SATA cable for one socket(?) |
| 01:14.02 | NagyZ | > on motherboard to another socket. But after switch back to the origin |
| 01:14.02 | NagyZ | > one, I can reproduce this bug. |
| 01:14.03 | NagyZ | hoh |
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| 01:14.16 | NagyZ | sorry. |
| 01:14.27 | NagyZ | hm, I'm gonna get that pc apart. |
| 01:14.27 | karsten | NagyZ: Don't flood. /msg dpkg enter |
| 01:14.28 | NagyZ | just a sec |
| 01:14.49 | anabain | karsten, where do I search this bug? |
| 01:15.04 | karsten | !bug 385223 |
| 01:15.04 | dpkg | bug 385223 can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=385223 |
| 01:15.15 | karsten | anabain: or http://bugs.debian.org/385223 |
| 01:16.28 | karsten | anabain: In general, b.d.o/bugnumber |
| 01:16.53 | karsten | anabain: Comperable mobo? |
| 01:17.32 | karsten | anabain: ... and what kernel is the installer running? |
| 01:17.51 | anabain | ok, karsten, but I don't understand... that bug it's an apache-bug related... |
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| 01:18.13 | karsten | anabain: I'm seeing "cannot detect cdrom", going through for CD-detecting clues. |
| 01:18.22 | karsten | anabain: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=385233 |
| 01:18.37 | karsten | anabain: Nothing good though, nevermind. |
| 01:18.48 | karsten | sgeigerbot: Don't I know you from somewhere? |
| 01:19.14 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me ? |
| 01:19.28 | karsten | abrotman: s/at/because of/ ? |
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| 01:21.03 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:21.03 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:21.14 | dvs | beef! |
| 01:21.57 | abrotman | dvs: breezy!!!!! |
| 01:22.08 | dvs | breezy beef? |
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| 01:22.57 | karsten | dvs: better than gassy beef. |
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| 01:23.16 | dvs | heh |
| 01:23.58 | nvz | I cant help but wonder where the origins of the super cow powers... |
| 01:24.07 | karsten | nvz: cows. |
| 01:24.18 | nvz | I dont get it |
| 01:24.40 | dvs | nvz: Move to Wyoming. ;-) |
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| 01:25.59 | nvz | why the hell would I want to do that... |
| 01:26.15 | dvs | nvz: To find the super cow powers! |
| 01:26.17 | karsten | nvz: To understand the origins of super cow powers, duh. |
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| 01:28.07 | nvz | yeah but there is probably nothing but cows out there.. no sexy college women like we have here |
| 01:28.24 | tokil | Grub cannot be installed, grub cannot access '/target' a boot loader is required to load linux, try again or quit |
| 01:28.25 | holond | Recently, I downloaded 'testing-binary-1' and burn it to a cdrw. I got a unbootable cdrom with one .iso file. How to do it right to make a bootable installation cdrw? |
| 01:28.35 | nvz | heh |
| 01:28.37 | NagyZ | duh |
| 01:28.40 | NagyZ | tried with an other pc |
| 01:28.42 | NagyZ | still no lack |
| 01:28.42 | NagyZ | ;> |
| 01:28.43 | NagyZ | luck |
| 01:28.46 | NagyZ | karsten ideas? :) |
| 01:28.54 | karsten | nvz: Y'know, there _are_ some exceptions. |
| 01:29.19 | nvz | I gotta evacuate I sprayed insecticide |
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| 01:29.24 | karsten | tokil: lilo, loadlin? |
| 01:29.32 | karsten | NagyZ: Sorry, what's the problem again? |
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| 01:29.45 | NagyZ | cant install debian? ;> |
| 01:29.46 | tokil | karsten: lilo failed, is there a way to load in loadlin before doing linux? |
| 01:30.00 | karsten | tokil: boot dos. |
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| 01:30.20 | tokil | karsten: I don't have dos just chillin =/ |
| 01:30.21 | NagyZ | karsten this crafty-shiny-super-buggy testing installer now doesnt even recognize my hard disc, not to mention my cdrom... |
| 01:30.32 | karsten | tokil: LOADLIN.EXE is a DOS executable that bootstraps linux on top of dos. Get Freedos if you don't have a DOS boot disk. |
| 01:30.44 | tokil | karsten, yay ty |
| 01:30.52 | karsten | NagyZ: Um. Have you checked cabling & physical infrastructures? BIOS shows drives? |
| 01:30.56 | karsten | tokil: NP. |
| 01:31.01 | NagyZ | well tried with 3 different pcd |
| 01:31.02 | NagyZ | well tried with 3 different pcs |
| 01:31.13 | tokil | karsten: will loadlin slow down debian or be any diff from it?" |
| 01:31.16 | wols_ | NagyZ: what chipset in that PC? |
| 01:31.16 | tokil | from grub** |
| 01:31.17 | NagyZ | (We've got a dozen of these kinda pcs) |
| 01:31.21 | NagyZ | ICH8 |
| 01:31.22 | wols_ | tokil: no different |
| 01:31.27 | nvz | oh and for those who I talked to about West Virginia Almost Heaven earlier.. I found out they fucking changed it yet again.. when I came back in this afternoon it was West Virginia Open For Business. the "Wild and Wonderful" was fine, as was the "Almost Heaven" but someone's got too much time and money on their hands and cant make up their damn mind.. so the sign keeps changing |
| 01:31.33 | wols_ | NagyZ: that's your answer |
| 01:31.37 | karsten | tokil: ftp://elserv.ffm.fgan.de/pub/linux/loadlin-1.6/ |
| 01:31.40 | karsten | tokil: loadlin. |
| 01:31.43 | NagyZ | wols_ hu? |
| 01:31.52 | wols_ | ICH8 |
| 01:31.58 | NagyZ | and? |
| 01:32.01 | karsten | tokil: No. DOS itself just gets out of the way. It's just a different bootstrap method. |
| 01:32.24 | wols_ | besides: if you "test" it on several PCs which are all the same: "Insanity is trying the same thing time and again and expecting a different outcome" |
| 01:32.29 | silly_girl22 | i am re-encoding some video from quicktime MOV. most people are using windows and havent added codecs. i want the best thing that will work for them w/out adding extra codecs. what would that be? |
| 01:32.32 | karsten | tokil: http://www.freedos.org/ FreeDOS. 1.0 just released. |
| 01:32.47 | karsten | silly_girl22: mpeg4? |
| 01:32.56 | karsten | silly_girl22: or AVI but I'm not sure if you can recode to it. |
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| 01:33.04 | silly_girl22 | AVI is a container |
| 01:33.04 | nvz | silly girl, tricks are for rabbits |
| 01:33.08 | NagyZ | wols_ it was just to make sure it isnt cabling or any other hw fault. |
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| 01:33.35 | tokil | karsten how do you load in loadlin? |
| 01:33.47 | silly_girl22 | are you sure wmp10 supports mpeg4. i dont think the majority of people have updated to 11 |
| 01:33.47 | karsten | tokil: Run it from dos: loadlin.exe <options> |
| 01:33.54 | wols_ | tokil: loadlin.exe <linux krenel file> <boot params> |
| 01:34.01 | tokil | ty wols_ and karsten |
| 01:34.13 | karsten | tokil: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/Loadlin+Win95-98-ME |
| 01:34.14 | holond | hey, how to make a bootable cd from the ditribution .iso? |
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| 01:34.36 | NagyZ | soso |
| 01:34.36 | karsten | tokil: eg: c:\loadlin c:\vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 ro |
| 01:34.38 | NagyZ | nobody... |
| 01:34.43 | Presently | My computer froze. I looked at some log files and they do not seem to be of much use. |
| 01:34.45 | NagyZ | I think building a custom install cd would help |
| 01:34.45 | dvs | holond: They are bootable. If the CD isn't bootable then the image is probably corrupt |
| 01:34.47 | NagyZ | with 2.6.18 |
| 01:34.53 | Presently | Where else can I look? |
| 01:34.55 | karsten | tokil: Once you specify the kernel, additional options are standard Linux boot params. |
| 01:34.59 | NagyZ | I can compile the kernel but how can I change the kernel on the cd? |
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| 01:35.35 | holond | dvs, i did it more than once, including the netinst.iso. |
| 01:35.46 | dvs | holond: you did what? |
| 01:35.57 | holond | dvs, download and burn. |
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| 01:36.08 | dvs | holond: Did you check the md5 sum? |
| 01:36.18 | wols_ | !customcd |
| 01:36.21 | Miles_Prower | Q: How do I find what device my STT3401A tape drive is, so as to setup Kdat? |
| 01:36.44 | holond | dvs, yeh, i use jigdo, the is a message that said everything is ok. |
| 01:37.01 | dvs | holond: I'd still check the md5 sum |
| 01:37.15 | wols_ | Miles_Prower: dmesg perhaps? |
| 01:37.25 | holond | dvs, yeh, that is included at the end of a jigdo wonload. |
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| 01:38.30 | holond | dvs, is everyone of the .iso, from 1 to n, bootable? |
| 01:38.30 | dvs | holond: what does it do when you try and boot the CD up? |
| 01:38.36 | Miles_Prower | Not in there. |
| 01:38.48 | dvs | holond: they used to be. I'm not sure now |
| 01:39.08 | holond | dvs, grub error, iicrc. |
| 01:39.32 | wols_ | holond: afaik there is no grub on a CD... |
| 01:39.35 | wols_ | it's syslinux |
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| 01:39.54 | NagyZ | ah |
| 01:39.59 | NagyZ | my roommate just made an IP collision |
| 01:40.00 | NagyZ | ;> |
| 01:40.07 | wols_ | holond: get a netinst ISO |
| 01:40.09 | dvs | trying to boot from the HD? |
| 01:40.11 | wols_ | NagyZ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
| 01:40.24 | holond | wols_, whatever it is, it won't boot. has it got to do with the burning process? |
| 01:40.25 | Presently | Any idears? |
| 01:40.40 | predder | GODDAMN MDADM |
| 01:40.43 | predder | that is all. |
| 01:40.46 | dvs | holond: Do you have GRUB on your hard drive? |
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| 01:40.53 | wols_ | !idea |
| 01:40.53 | dpkg | idea is probably meaning you don't know. |
| 01:40.54 | holond | dvs, yes. |
| 01:41.02 | NagyZ | wols_ been there |
| 01:41.08 | NagyZ | but it's goddamn rubbish |
| 01:41.11 | dvs | holond: That's what happening. It's not even looking at your CD. |
| 01:41.18 | NagyZ | just like this http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
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| 01:41.38 | jetscreamer | just use etch |
| 01:41.41 | NagyZ | there must be a simplier way somewhere |
| 01:41.49 | holond | dvs, no, in the bios, i have set the boot sequence to be cdrom first, then hd. |
| 01:41.55 | NagyZ | jetscreamer thats not fresh enough |
| 01:42.10 | wols_ | NagyZ: what was the etch installer kernel version? |
| 01:42.14 | NagyZ | 2.6.17 |
| 01:42.29 | jetscreamer | it doesn't get a lot fresher |
| 01:42.32 | NagyZ | I'm hoping .18 could change things |
| 01:42.37 | NagyZ | jetscreamer ah, just 3 months... |
| 01:42.40 | NagyZ | between .17 and .18 |
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| 01:43.00 | wols_ | jetscreamer: it will be interesting when etch in december can't use the current intel hardware to install. very interesting. NOT! |
| 01:43.05 | holond | wols_, i have made a netinst cd but it can't be boot-up too. |
| 01:43.10 | jetscreamer | sid install cd's have existed in the past... i bet they still do |
| 01:43.16 | wols_ | holond: what is the error? |
| 01:43.23 | NagyZ | jetscreamer wont help |
| 01:43.30 | NagyZ | theres .17 in sid, too |
| 01:43.37 | jetscreamer | .18 now |
| 01:43.39 | NagyZ | hmm |
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| 01:43.46 | holond | wols_, can't say, it can't boot fr the cdrom, it boots next fr the hd. |
| 01:43.48 | jetscreamer | i saw it last night |
| 01:43.53 | jetscreamer | not before, iirc |
| 01:44.08 | jetscreamer | no idea about an installer though |
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| 01:44.26 | jetscreamer | one would probably use the same install kernel anyway |
| 01:45.03 | NagyZ | well, I cant install any damned linux on these machines... |
| 01:45.03 | NagyZ | great. |
| 01:45.11 | abrotman | bsd! |
| 01:45.30 | dvs | !lart abrotman |
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| 01:45.36 | dvs | heh |
| 01:45.38 | NagyZ | abrotman we're running an IP lab here at the university, and our kernel module exists only for 2.6 :) |
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| 01:45.46 | abrotman | so install 2.6! |
| 01:45.47 | karsten | abrotman: lsd! |
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| 01:46.01 | NagyZ | abrotman dont be such jerk, please... |
| 01:46.21 | asg | abrotman: yeah, you jerk |
| 01:46.23 | abrotman | NagyZ: hey .. i just got here .. cut me some slack .. i'm new around here |
| 01:46.30 | dvs | pfffffffft! |
| 01:47.16 | asg | abrotman: proposing BSD to someone with an IP lab! For shame. |
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| 01:47.33 | holond | i just installed winxp. it comes up without any problem, recognising all my system devices, including the pci wlan card. with debian, i have to use the binary-1 image, followed by many more package instllations. |
| 01:47.36 | NagyZ | nothing wrong with bsd |
| 01:47.41 | NagyZ | we're just not using them, thats all |
| 01:47.42 | dvs | ops abrotman is recommending BSD |
| 01:48.01 | NagyZ | it's a shame no decent linux can install correctly on these hw |
| 01:48.17 | asg | NagyZ: it's quite possible that the hw is crap you know |
| 01:48.29 | NagyZ | well, sure it's not |
| 01:48.30 | wols_ | asg: it's an ICH8 |
| 01:48.38 | NagyZ | intel mobo, core2duo, so on |
| 01:48.41 | abrotman | asg: hurd! |
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| 01:48.45 | NagyZ | and it works with windows :-) |
| 01:48.48 | asg | abrotman: kurd! |
| 01:48.49 | Presently | Ok, lads. I'll ask later. Cheers. |
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| 01:48.56 | holond | debian image cds have many packages i don't need. is it possible to create a debian installation to suit my particular system? |
| 01:48.56 | abrotman | asg: oh yeah .. kde microkernels! |
| 01:49.20 | holond | i mean a debian installation cd. |
| 01:49.21 | NagyZ | cut the crap |
| 01:49.26 | asg | NagyZ: I have a ton of systems that don't work with Windows but run Linux and BSD fine. Odd that. |
| 01:49.27 | abrotman | krap |
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| 01:49.36 | wols_ | abrotman: gurd has the better component architecture |
| 01:49.41 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:49.44 | wols_ | and enlurd has more eyecandy! |
| 01:49.56 | asg | wols_: erlang and enlurd should make babies |
| 01:50.09 | wols_ | !customcd holond |
| 01:50.17 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 01:50.18 | dpkg | i heard custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 01:50.20 | abrotman | that? |
| 01:50.41 | NagyZ | tried most of that |
| 01:50.42 | NagyZ | ;> |
| 01:51.01 | abrotman | wasn't for you |
| 01:51.22 | NagyZ | well I'd be fine with an installation cd with .18 :) |
| 01:51.25 | silly_girl22 | does anyone know a channel i can get help with video? |
| 01:51.47 | abrotman | oh jeez .. so many choices |
| 01:51.51 | abrotman | silly_girl22: what kind of video |
| 01:52.05 | asg | abrotman: I could say something naughty but I won't |
| 01:52.06 | dvs | abrotman: behave! |
| 01:52.06 | itchi | I try to setup the UPS system be following the docs on http://opensource.mgeups.com/install/debian.htm But when i try to start the service i get the error Starting Network UPS Tools: (upsdrvctl failed). What's going? |
| 01:52.20 | karsten | silly_girl22: /msg chanserv list *video* |
| 01:52.29 | NagyZ | well |
| 01:52.31 | NagyZ | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 01:52.33 | NagyZ | ^^ this sucks. |
| 01:52.34 | karsten | silly_girl22: ... or other expression, to find channels on various topics. |
| 01:52.52 | silly_girl22 | karsten: thanks |
| 01:53.02 | karsten | silly_girl22: NP |
| 01:53.12 | karsten | silly_girl22: Mom? |
| 01:53.38 | silly_girl22 | i am re-encoding some video from quicktime MOV. most people are using windows media player and havent added codecs. i want the best thing that will work for them w/out adding extra codecs. what would that be? |
| 01:53.38 | silly_girl22 | does wmp 10 have support for mpeg4? probably not but does anyone know w/out adding codecs. i am using avidemux2. these are the choices i have: h263 (lavc), Mjpeg, Mpeg4 (lavc), VCD (lavc), DVD (lavc), SVCD (lavc), VCD, SVCD, DVD, Xvid4, X264, HUFFYUV, FF HUFFYUV, FFV1 (lavcodec), YV12 (raw) |
| 01:53.53 | silly_girl22 | karsten: nope |
| 01:54.02 | karsten | silly_girl22: Phew! |
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| 01:54.09 | NagyZ | silly_girl22 mpeg4, svcd, vcd should be fine |
| 01:54.12 | NagyZ | mpeg2, too |
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| 01:54.29 | NagyZ | and use mencoder |
| 01:54.38 | silly_girl22 | for windows media player 10 w/out adding a codec? |
| 01:54.45 | NagyZ | yes |
| 01:54.52 | silly_girl22 | so mpeg 4 is best? |
| 01:54.58 | jetscreamer | i believe it would support mp4 |
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| 01:55.18 | jetscreamer | looks like mplayer to me |
| 01:55.19 | silly_girl22 | i thought that was newer than wmp10, but ill do it |
| 01:55.26 | NagyZ | newe? |
| 01:55.28 | NagyZ | newer? |
| 01:55.28 | NagyZ | mpeg4? |
| 01:55.30 | NagyZ | haha |
| 01:55.32 | jetscreamer | it just clicked today |
| 01:55.33 | NagyZ | it's way too old |
| 01:55.49 | jetscreamer | wmp executable is called mplayer2 |
| 01:55.50 | karsten | silly_girl22: mpeg4 is really old, should be well-supported. |
| 01:55.56 | jetscreamer | or was |
| 01:55.59 | NagyZ | not that old. :p |
| 01:56.15 | karsten | NagyZ: Um. 20th century tech, no? |
| 01:56.22 | NagyZ | yep |
| 01:56.32 | karsten | NagyZ: counts as old in my book. |
| 01:56.38 | NagyZ | dont come with oldness when blody testing cant install on a decent hw. |
| 01:56.43 | jetscreamer | x264 baybee |
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| 01:56.52 | jetscreamer | in .mkv |
| 01:56.54 | abrotman | no .. jetscreamer is old! |
| 01:56.56 | NagyZ | oh my god.. |
| 01:56.58 | NagyZ | matroska sucks |
| 01:57.03 | aFlag | hello, what's the driver for mounting the pendrive? |
| 01:57.12 | jetscreamer | you just mount it |
| 01:57.13 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 01:57.14 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 01:57.15 | asg | aFlag: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 01:57.43 | aFlag | thanks |
| 01:57.44 | jetscreamer | it was much better before it got hacked up |
| 01:57.58 | jetscreamer | the factoid |
| 01:58.05 | asg | jetscreamer: then fix it |
| 01:58.23 | jetscreamer | asg: don or simon fixed mine... i won't touch it |
| 01:58.34 | jetscreamer | that is the bastard spawn |
| 01:58.37 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 01:59.10 | jetscreamer | !listkeys -ntfs |
| 01:59.10 | abrotman | wtf who the hell did that |
| 01:59.11 | dpkg | Factoid search of '-ntfs' by key (7): read-ntfs ;; #debian ro-ntfs ;; #debian-bots ro-ntfs ;; #debian read-ntfs ;; _default ro-ntfs ;; _default read-ntfs ;; ro-ntfs. |
| 01:59.19 | jetscreamer | !listkeys -vfat |
| 01:59.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of '-vfat' by key (3): _default rw-vfat ;; rw-vfat ;; #debian rw-vfat. |
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| 01:59.31 | jetscreamer | rw-vfat and ro-ntfs are mine |
| 01:59.47 | abrotman | should i change it back ? |
| 01:59.52 | jetscreamer | nah |
| 02:00.10 | abrotman | ~vfatrw |
| 02:00.12 | apt | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 02:00.14 | abrotman | yeah .. but it's not quire right |
| 02:00.26 | abrotman | since writing to ntfs is NOT trivial |
| 02:00.41 | jetscreamer | mine doesn't allow writing |
| 02:00.51 | jetscreamer | it's all in the d & f mask |
| 02:01.20 | abrotman | done |
| 02:01.38 | NagyZ | hmm |
| 02:01.52 | NagyZ | what should I have support for, if I'd like to mount the initrd after gunzipping it? |
| 02:02.00 | NagyZ | I mean which fs.. :) |
| 02:02.25 | jetscreamer | cramfs iirc |
| 02:02.31 | NagyZ | well I have that in my kernel |
| 02:02.36 | ArkoldThos | how i check the md5 sum of a .tar.gz? |
| 02:02.43 | NagyZ | elysium:~/PPP# mount -o loop -t cramfs initrd initrd-orig |
| 02:02.43 | NagyZ | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 02:02.53 | NagyZ | cramfs: wrong magic |
| 02:02.53 | jetscreamer | i always use -t auto |
| 02:02.54 | NagyZ | in dmesg ;[] |
| 02:03.04 | NagyZ | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 02:03.05 | NagyZ | :p |
| 02:03.30 | tokil | !nickserv |
| 02:03.30 | dpkg | well, nickserv is the nickname registration bot for Freenode. /msg nickserv help for more details. |
| 02:03.43 | jetscreamer | course i've never tried to mount an initrd |
| 02:03.49 | NagyZ | ;[] |
| 02:03.55 | NagyZ | I'd like to change the kernel.. ;> |
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| 02:04.06 | jetscreamer | don't use initrd? |
| 02:04.18 | NagyZ | well change the kernel on the d-i disc? |
| 02:04.18 | NagyZ | ;> |
| 02:04.20 | jetscreamer | !initrd |
| 02:04.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 02:04.24 | jetscreamer | oh that's you |
| 02:04.30 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
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| 02:05.07 | NagyZ | I know whats initrd and what it is good for |
| 02:05.10 | NagyZ | I just cant mount it right now |
| 02:05.37 | wols_ | NagyZ: why do you want to mount it when it won't work with your hardware? |
| 02:05.44 | NagyZ | to change the fucking kernel? |
| 02:05.48 | NagyZ | to .18 |
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| 02:06.04 | jetscreamer | NagyZ: have you tried #debian-devel ? i think it's on oftc though... |
| 02:06.08 | wols_ | that initrd won't be used anymore... |
| 02:06.14 | wols_ | so why mount it? |
| 02:06.17 | NagyZ | wols_ ho? |
| 02:06.22 | NagyZ | what do you mean wont be used anymore? |
| 02:06.40 | NagyZ | ah, you dont get it.. I'm trying to build a new disc image |
| 02:06.45 | NagyZ | I have several debian systems around |
| 02:06.57 | wols_ | NagyZ: if you make a new kernel, there will be a new initrd. if you have an initrd at all |
| 02:06.59 | NagyZ | I'm not mounting initrd after the installer got stuck.. ;] |
| 02:07.02 | Nibbier | debian does not use ProPolice/SSP by default in its packages? |
| 02:07.07 | NagyZ | Nibbier no. |
| 02:07.11 | Nibbier | thanks. |
| 02:07.27 | NagyZ | wols_ well why does it have to be so fucking difficult in the debian world.. |
| 02:07.50 | NagyZ | I just want to have my nice, tiny monolithic kernel get booting on the d-i disc |
| 02:07.51 | NagyZ | thats all.. |
| 02:07.55 | NagyZ | no modules, no everything |
| 02:08.06 | NagyZ | I've compiled the kernel I need |
| 02:08.13 | wols_ | NagyZ: and hence no initrd, or do you need initrd for something? |
| 02:08.40 | NagyZ | well, how else could I get the d-i image to boot my image? just remove the initrd completely? |
| 02:08.48 | wols_ | why not? |
| 02:08.54 | NagyZ | well |
| 02:08.56 | NagyZ | we can try |
| 02:08.59 | wols_ | not as if I need an initd for my custom hdd installed kernels |
| 02:09.12 | NagyZ | I neither use initrd |
| 02:09.17 | wols_ | initrd is a crutch for distro kernels that doesn't apply for custom ones |
| 02:09.24 | abrotman | NagyZ: have you tried a 2.6 kernel ? |
| 02:09.29 | NagyZ | it's so fucking annoying.. we've been here all day long [18 hours now] |
| 02:09.36 | NagyZ | abrotman dont start, please. ;> |
| 02:09.46 | NagyZ | I've tried the daily snapshot of testing |
| 02:09.50 | NagyZ | so yes, I've tried 2.6 |
| 02:09.53 | NagyZ | and I've tried 2.4 |
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| 02:09.58 | NagyZ | and I've tired. :] |
| 02:10.08 | NagyZ | I've tried every fucking image outta there |
| 02:10.20 | abrotman | NagyZ: i think this is easy to fix |
| 02:10.24 | jetscreamer | uh... so why won't it boot? |
| 02:10.26 | NagyZ | how come? |
| 02:10.32 | jetscreamer | or what's the problem |
| 02:10.33 | abrotman | uhm .. karsten pasted it |
| 02:10.42 | NagyZ | abrotman you mean that bug report? |
| 02:10.52 | NagyZ | jetscreamer there are some images that wont see the optical drive |
| 02:10.56 | abrotman | they broke ich8 in 2.6.17 |
| 02:10.58 | NagyZ | there are some images that wont see the harddrive |
| 02:11.08 | NagyZ | there are some images that wont see nothing |
| 02:11.18 | abrotman | see everything ? |
| 02:11.29 | abrotman | NagyZ: have you tried making a custom netinst with 2.6.18 ? |
| 02:11.34 | NagyZ | abrotman just trying that |
| 02:11.41 | jetscreamer | i think tha't...^^ |
| 02:11.41 | NagyZ | but the docs on alioth are ah... |
| 02:11.51 | jetscreamer | NagyZ: #debian-devel |
| 02:11.55 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 02:11.55 | dpkg | i guess custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 02:11.57 | jetscreamer | the installer ppl |
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| 02:11.59 | abrotman | there's a few thingies |
| 02:12.04 | abrotman | jetscreamer: no .. that'd be #debian-boot |
| 02:12.07 | NagyZ | abrotman well, tried all of them |
| 02:12.09 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:12.12 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 02:12.15 | NagyZ | so, which channel? ;-) |
| 02:12.19 | jetscreamer | boot |
| 02:12.26 | jetscreamer | but on oftc iirc |
| 02:12.26 | NagyZ | AHAH |
| 02:12.30 | NagyZ | with 2 people |
| 02:12.31 | NagyZ | oh :-) |
| 02:12.34 | abrotman | NagyZ: wrong network |
| 02:12.43 | NagyZ | gimme an irc server addr |
| 02:12.46 | NagyZ | please |
| 02:12.46 | NagyZ | ;-) |
| 02:12.49 | wols_ | irc.debian.org |
| 02:12.51 | abrotman | NagyZ: i'd think it would be pretty easy to just use the kernel from sid .. stick it in the image .. and carry on |
| 02:12.52 | NagyZ | ;D |
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| 02:13.06 | NagyZ | abrotman well, then either I'm too tired or too dumb |
| 02:13.15 | jetscreamer | abrotman: afaict that's what he's trying to do |
| 02:13.25 | abrotman | i think he's too tired or too dumb |
| 02:13.29 | NagyZ | ;)) |
| 02:13.29 | abrotman | at least . that's what he said :) |
| 02:13.40 | NagyZ | well it it's so simple, could you do that for me?:p |
| 02:13.44 | abrotman | AW SHIT .. i forgot to call martin today |
| 02:14.08 | abrotman | NagyZ: last time i did something liek that .. i spent a few hours compiling a dectalk kernel that didn't actually work :) |
| 02:14.51 | NagyZ | :) |
| 02:15.04 | NagyZ | ok, I'm at #debian-boot @ oftc |
| 02:15.18 | abrotman | they're quiet |
| 02:15.21 | NagyZ | ;> |
| 02:16.34 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 02:16.42 | abrotman | dudley dooright ? |
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| 02:17.31 | abrotman | NagyZ: are they awake ? |
| 02:17.34 | NagyZ | y |
| 02:17.37 | NagyZ | oh |
| 02:17.37 | NagyZ | I mean |
| 02:17.38 | abrotman | any help ? |
| 02:17.40 | NagyZ | they're not much :-)) |
| 02:17.42 | abrotman | make up your mind! |
| 02:17.49 | NagyZ | one people pointed me to libata.atapi_enabled |
| 02:17.57 | NagyZ | but then I told him I've tried that already |
| 02:17.57 | NagyZ | ;) |
| 02:18.07 | abrotman | custom netinst .. 2.6.18! |
| 02:18.18 | NagyZ | nah lets see if I can stick this thingy into the image.. |
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| 02:22.00 | poopybutt | i have a separate hard drive that i have formatted to fat32 that i use for file exchange between linux/windows i cannot write to it, how can i change these permissions? |
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| 02:22.34 | brownie17 | does anyone know anything about "Filesys::Df perl module" and wether or not it is contained in the repo version of perl? |
| 02:23.19 | asg | brownie17: apt-cache search filesys df perl |
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| 02:26.21 | poopybutt | can anybody help me so i can write to my linux/windows exchange hd? |
| 02:26.34 | JeffH | Is there a list somewhere of all the users that are in /etc/passwd by default and why they're there? |
| 02:27.04 | NagyZ | cat /etc/passwd? |
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| 02:27.30 | JeffH | Nagy: I want an explaination of the users that are in that file. |
| 02:27.55 | NagyZ | for example? |
| 02:28.03 | JeffH | user 'irc' |
| 02:28.11 | NagyZ | used for running ircd. |
| 02:28.13 | NagyZ | anything else ?;] |
| 02:28.29 | JeffH | what's ircd and why is it on my machine? |
| 02:28.35 | NagyZ | ah... |
| 02:28.48 | ArkoldThos | ircd is a irc server daemon |
| 02:28.49 | NagyZ | do you really think it's on your machine? |
| 02:29.02 | Xorm | O_o |
| 02:29.06 | JeffH | Nagy: whether the daemon is or not, the user is. |
| 02:29.20 | Xorm | You're running an IRCd and don't know it? |
| 02:29.26 | Xorm | That's not a good sign. |
| 02:29.30 | NagyZ | he's not running any ircds |
| 02:29.33 | Xorm | Usually they take a good amount of config? |
| 02:29.35 | NagyZ | its a default installation |
| 02:29.40 | Xorm | ah |
| 02:29.44 | JeffH | Xorm: if I'm running it it's a default of debian. |
| 02:30.14 | Xorm | Don't they usually take an s-load of config though? |
| 02:30.20 | JeffH | The point is.. I want to go through the list of users in /etc/passwd and make sure that there's nothing there that shoudln't be. |
| 02:30.24 | Xorm | hmm |
| 02:30.42 | JeffH | make sure my system hasn't been comprimised and a user added. |
| 02:30.53 | abrotman | i have the ircd user on my box |
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| 02:31.18 | nevyn | JeffH: that'd be a really stupid way to compramise a box |
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| 02:31.39 | Xorm | irc:x:39:39:ircd:/var/run/ircd:/bin/sh |
| 02:31.44 | nevyn | far better would be to install a bogus login that accepted an arbitary password for root |
| 02:31.46 | NagyZ | hm |
| 02:31.48 | NagyZ | abrotman here? |
| 02:31.57 | abrotman | NagyZ: where is here ? |
| 02:32.02 | NagyZ | abrotman installer is on with 2.6.18, it sees the drive |
| 02:32.07 | NagyZ | but it doesnt see the cdrom |
| 02:32.07 | abrotman | i said that! |
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| 02:32.11 | abrotman | who needs that |
| 02:32.15 | JeffH | well, doesn't seam like I'm gonna get much info here about this. |
| 02:32.15 | Xorm | lulz. |
| 02:32.16 | NagyZ | I, for installation. |
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| 02:32.20 | asg | JeffH: start with the debian-reference and debian-policy (www.debian.org). Also, the harden-doc package and documentation is worth a look. Finally, use find(1) to see what those accounts own on your system and if that relevant. |
| 02:32.25 | NagyZ | there's eth0 'cause I compiled in eth1000 |
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| 02:32.31 | NagyZ | but there isnt any option like "install from net" |
| 02:32.31 | NagyZ | ;] |
| 02:32.35 | JeffH | asg: thanks. |
| 02:32.39 | asg | JeffH: you're welcome |
| 02:32.42 | abrotman | NagyZ: oh .. you didn't use a debian kernel . you made your own ? |
| 02:32.47 | jetscreamer | NagyZ: sometimes when it boots the cd and it runs off the cd, but it doens't see the cd, having it detect the cd works... usually not htough. |
| 02:32.48 | NagyZ | yep |
| 02:33.01 | NagyZ | jetscreamer well, it CANT see the cd. |
| 02:33.04 | NagyZ | ata_piix is masking it |
| 02:33.06 | abrotman | NagyZ: duh .. you screwed up |
| 02:33.08 | asg | JeffH: a lot of accounts get installed by default for various, sometimes historical, reasons. |
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| 02:33.12 | NagyZ | I guess theres a way to get it up and running as scsi generic |
| 02:33.13 | NagyZ | somehow |
| 02:33.13 | ArkoldThos | since #otserv-mentors is unavailable, i need ask here :P someone can help me fixing native-package-with-dash-version in a package? |
| 02:33.25 | NagyZ | abrotman why? ;> |
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| 02:33.31 | jetscreamer | did you know you can load drivers with grub? |
| 02:33.44 | JeffH | asg: yeah, I know. Being a minimalist, I don't like it. Just wondering what ones are absolutely necessary. |
| 02:33.50 | NagyZ | jetscreamer with grub? :-) |
| 02:33.55 | NagyZ | what do you mean? |
| 02:33.59 | jetscreamer | yeah. |
| 02:34.02 | NagyZ | and what drivers should I load? |
| 02:34.04 | NagyZ | ;-] |
| 02:34.07 | Skrot | Hi. Is there a way to check which options a kernel module has been loaded with? |
| 02:34.08 | asg | JeffH: I understand and agree. |
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| 02:34.36 | jetscreamer | i don't know and i've never done it. i've glanced at it while trying to fix other problems htough. it's there, can be done. |
| 02:34.42 | abrotman | NagyZ: you apparently made ab um kernel |
| 02:34.45 | abrotman | a bum kernel |
| 02:34.59 | jetscreamer | glanced at it in the docs |
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| 02:35.27 | NagyZ | Non-uniform ports handling got broken while updating libata to handle |
| 02:35.27 | NagyZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.28 | NagyZ | hmm |
| 02:35.30 | NagyZ | from -git4 changelog. |
| 02:35.36 | NagyZ | can this affect me? |
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| 02:37.32 | Fyre | !sources |
| 02:37.32 | dpkg | well, sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge/stable you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
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| 02:39.51 | blindedy | HOL |
| 02:39.54 | blindedy | HOLA AMIGOS |
| 02:39.58 | blindedy | como estan |
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| 02:40.29 | blindedy | holas} |
| 02:40.34 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:40.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:41.18 | NagyZ | !hu |
| 02:41.18 | dpkg | from memory, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 02:41.21 | NagyZ | :-)) |
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| 02:45.09 | blindedy | hi abort in debian |
| 02:45.16 | blindedy | danger, people |
| 02:47.43 | Fyre | where can i get a list of debian sources? |
| 02:48.10 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 02:48.10 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 02:48.32 | Fyre | abrotman, Cheers |
| 02:48.38 | ArkoldThos | since #otserv-mentors is unavailable, i need ask here :P someone can help me fixing native-package-with-dash-version in a package? |
| 02:48.41 | abrotman | BEERS! |
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| 02:53.35 | Fyre | Argh, the australian mirror is broken. |
| 02:53.50 | abrotman | shocker! |
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| 02:54.11 | Fyre | Whats the cloest country to australia? :) |
| 02:54.21 | Fyre | Closest* |
| 02:54.40 | abrotman | antarctica ? |
| 02:54.58 | Fyre | Yes, ofcourse :P |
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| 02:55.37 | abrotman | i thought there were two .au mirrors |
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| 02:56.43 | Fyre | Yea, i just tried both, the both down |
| 02:56.46 | blindedy | hi mirroes |
| 02:56.51 | blindedy | debian confort |
| 02:56.56 | abrotman | shocking news from my local weatherman .. it's going to get WARM .. then COOL ... |
| 02:57.11 | karsten | !comfort abrotman |
| 02:57.11 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:57.23 | Fyre | It was a stinker here the other day, 33 degrees and its only spring |
| 02:57.26 | abrotman | yeah .. we can't have perfect weather everyday like karsten :) |
| 02:58.29 | abrotman | i knew you were from hell! |
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| 02:58.46 | karsten | abrotman: temp readings aren't responding, just visibility and Hg. |
| 02:58.52 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:59.16 | abrotman | karsten: honestly .. do you really need it? i'm sure you can make a reasonable guess |
| 02:59.16 | karsten | Allegedly 77F out, 8pm. |
| 02:59.28 | karsten | abrotman: It's nice to have confirmation, and the temp readout _usually_ works. |
| 02:59.49 | abrotman | and that's why i won't use wmaker .. totally unreliable! |
| 02:59.56 | karsten | abrotman: Being near the bay, conditions can also vary widely just over a few miles. |
| 03:00.06 | karsten | !weathersmite abrotman |
| 03:00.10 | karsten | Feh. |
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| 03:00.28 | karsten | abrotman: This is a METAR feed from the local muni airport, on the bay. |
| 03:00.48 | abrotman | karsten: i have one of those! |
| 03:01.04 | abrotman | ARGH .. it's in metric! |
| 03:01.26 | mne | hi, is there a way to export removeable media like a cdrom via NFS ? |
| 03:01.30 | karsten | abrotman: One day during the heat wave this summer, my house was ~95F (1 mile from bay), Menlo (another 2mi inland) was 98, 102 at the base of the Santa Cruz Mts., and 104F at the top of Skyline. |
| 03:01.36 | karsten | mne: Yes. |
| 03:01.40 | abrotman | sounds nice to me |
| 03:01.49 | karsten | abrotman: You can toggle metric/US. |
| 03:01.56 | abrotman | karsten: i got it |
| 03:01.58 | Fyre | !mirrors |
| 03:01.59 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 03:02.21 | karsten | abrotman: middle mouse |
| 03:02.30 | abrotman | night :) |
| 03:02.41 | mne | karsten, the export parameter for /etc/exports would be interresting ;) should be something like "no_lock". unfortunately, i couldn't find anything like that in the man-page |
| 03:02.42 | sdogi | probably asked millions of times but i didn't find it from google. how do i install flash plugin? |
| 03:02.53 | abrotman | !flash |
| 03:02.53 | dpkg | [flash] http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 03:02.56 | sdogi | thanks |
| 03:03.04 | stoned | meat and potatos |
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| 03:03.38 | karsten | mne: If you specify read-only you should get around most of those values. |
| 03:04.25 | pickcoder | karsten: talking about the weather app? |
| 03:04.33 | karsten | pickcoder: Yeah. |
| 03:04.37 | NagyZ | nah |
| 03:04.37 | karsten | pickcoder: wmWeather |
| 03:04.38 | NagyZ | help me ppl |
| 03:04.48 | NagyZ | why there isnt any menu like "install from net insted of cdrom?" |
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| 03:06.02 | pickcoder | karsten: I have a finger server setup for weather |
| 03:07.06 | mne | karsten, you're right, thanks for the tip. I added "ro" and now it works just fine. |
| 03:07.15 | pickcoder | one of these days I'll have a station setup for wxunderground |
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| 03:07.40 | karsten | mne: Cool. |
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| 03:11.17 | mne | karsten, hmm, the joy was too early. I just tried, but even after nfs-unmounting the cdrom I can't physically unmount the cdrom on the server machine. it says "device is busy" ;( |
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| 03:13.14 | poopybutt | any idea how far away flash 8.5 or 9 or whatever they are calling it is for linux? |
| 03:14.13 | pipeline | poopybutt: a year or more |
| 03:14.16 | Francisco | how do you keep mandb from warning you about dangling symlinks? |
| 03:14.35 | Francisco | well cron does that |
| 03:14.40 | poopybutt | pipeline: eww i just keep getting annoyed cause my espn.com page looks so ugly |
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| 03:16.12 | thiaguetz | anyone can help me about the testing release? |
| 03:16.14 | mne | poopybutt, i guess i have the newest linux flash version (flash 7). some of the new flash movies and games do not work with it ;( |
| 03:16.28 | thiaguetz | when i try to do a apt-get update i receive a lot of errors :S |
| 03:16.36 | poopybutt | apt-get install -f |
| 03:17.02 | thiaguetz | ?? |
| 03:17.33 | thiaguetz | anyone can help me? |
| 03:17.49 | NagyZ | nah |
| 03:17.57 | thiaguetz | please! |
| 03:18.01 | NagyZ | why I dont see any "install from net" options? |
| 03:18.11 | NagyZ | karsten? |
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| 03:20.41 | thiaguetz | please, help me! |
| 03:20.51 | itchi | Someone experiences with 'nut' and the MGE Protection Center 675 UPS system? I have configure it and i always get an error Starting Network UPS Tools: (upsdrvctl failed). In the /var/log/daemon.log i get ... Poll UPS [myups@localhost] failed - Driver not connected Is the driver; module not loaded and need we to load an special module? |
| 03:20.52 | thiaguetz | i need to configure a debian testing server |
| 03:20.59 | pickcoder | thiaguetz: don't beg, paste your errors into a paster bot |
| 03:21.09 | itchi | thiaguetz: pastebin it |
| 03:21.22 | thiaguetz | my apt doesnt update the packages |
| 03:21.33 | itchi | !paste |
| 03:21.33 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 03:21.35 | thiaguetz | just a sec, i will pastebin |
| 03:21.51 | alan` | use apt-update and the package name i think |
| 03:22.50 | thiaguetz | done |
| 03:22.51 | thiaguetz | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3859 |
| 03:23.00 | itchi | I guess i have forget somthings, like it's my first UPS setup, but have follow differents documentations and these are going on the same way, looks realy simply but i get that above error :-/ |
| 03:24.01 | itchi | thiaguetz: And if you #comment that server? |
| 03:24.13 | thiaguetz | let me see |
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| 03:24.28 | Francisco | how do you keep mandb from warning you about dangling symlinks? |
| 03:24.30 | itchi | thiaguetz: In the /etc/apt/sources.list set an #before that server, just for testing |
| 03:24.32 | thiaguetz | it gives me a: Reading package lists... Done |
| 03:24.37 | Francisco | well cron does that |
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| 03:25.14 | thiaguetz | very strange... |
| 03:25.19 | itchi | thiaguetz: Ohyea, you have only these 2 lines in the source.list? |
| 03:25.27 | thiaguetz | yes! |
| 03:25.28 | pickcoder | looks like the Packages file isn't gzipped |
| 03:25.38 | itchi | thiaguetz: And security updates ?? |
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| 03:25.56 | brownie17 | how do you create symlinks? |
| 03:26.11 | Francisco | brownie17: man ln |
| 03:26.17 | thiaguetz | i am using a testing release... i know i need to have these security servers, but i need to install somethings before |
| 03:26.28 | pickcoder | never mind.. |
| 03:26.29 | itchi | thiaguetz: lol |
| 03:26.34 | thiaguetz | hahaha |
| 03:26.53 | itchi | thiaguetz: And if you take another server, same trouble? |
| 03:26.59 | thiaguetz | same trouble |
| 03:27.00 | pickcoder | brownie17: man ln |
| 03:27.11 | thiaguetz | i tried the ftp.debian mirror... and the kernel mirror |
| 03:27.17 | thiaguetz | same problem on both |
| 03:27.20 | itchi | thiaguetz: How long time are you without security updates? |
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| 03:27.44 | thiaguetz | 10 minutes :) |
| 03:27.47 | brownie17 | pickcoder, can you simlink a direcftory? |
| 03:27.56 | pickcoder | brownie17: yes |
| 03:28.02 | brownie17 | pickcoder, it's telling me no |
| 03:28.39 | thiaguetz | this is VERY strange :S |
| 03:28.54 | thiaguetz | i have a unstable server up and running withour problems |
| 03:28.57 | brownie17 | pickcoder, so i'd do 'ln target_dest link_name |
| 03:29.51 | pickcoder | brownie17: backwards |
| 03:29.57 | amphi | brownie17: you can't make a hardlink across filesystems, perhaps that's the problem |
| 03:30.07 | pickcoder | wait.. |
| 03:30.11 | brownie17 | amphi, it's all on the same hard disk |
| 03:30.12 | thiaguetz | any suggestions?! |
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| 03:30.20 | amphi | brownie17: same partition? |
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| 03:30.42 | brownie17 | pickcoder, sorry, "ln Actual_folder New_link"??? |
| 03:30.56 | brownie17 | amphi, yes. |
| 03:30.57 | amphi | brownie17: you need -s if you want a symbolic link in any case |
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| 03:31.20 | thiaguetz | bahh... no one want to help me.. god dammit!! |
| 03:31.45 | itchi | thiaguetz: It's not that we not want to help! lmao |
| 03:32.11 | thiaguetz | but anyone is havinv the same problem as me??! |
| 03:32.14 | karsten | itchi: Do you know a scratchi and sneezi too? |
| 03:32.15 | itchi | thiaguetz: Also there are not many people online at 05:49 AM here :-p |
| 03:32.20 | amphi | brownie17: you are making a link to a directory? |
| 03:32.44 | pickcoder | thiaguetz: change http://http to http://ftp |
| 03:32.46 | itchi | ogh, my computer is to fast :-p need to sync the time lol |
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| 03:33.07 | thiaguetz | i tried several mirros.. and the same error persists! |
| 03:33.08 | itchi | ... and its been an old computer. OOOOhhh debian, so fast :-p |
| 03:33.20 | thiaguetz | anyone have a testing release installed to test the apt-get update??? |
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| 03:33.31 | itchi | thiaguetz: Working right here |
| 03:33.32 | pickcoder | thiaguetz: change http://http to http://ftp |
| 03:33.41 | thiaguetz | i tried that... same problem! |
| 03:33.47 | itchi | thiaguetz: But i use apt-proxy, do not know if that matters |
| 03:33.48 | pickcoder | thiaguetz: change http://http to http://ftp |
| 03:33.52 | pickcoder | post your error again |
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| 03:33.56 | itchi | thiaguetz: ^^^ |
| 03:33.56 | pickcoder | after changing it |
| 03:34.09 | thiaguetz | just a sec |
| 03:35.37 | thiaguetz | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3860 |
| 03:36.05 | pickcoder | replace testing with etch |
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| 03:36.29 | pickcoder | if that doesn't work, then we'll need to clear your list history |
| 03:36.35 | thiaguetz | same error! |
| 03:36.40 | itchi | thiaguetz: Is gzip working right? Can you test it? |
| 03:36.46 | thiaguetz | yes |
| 03:36.59 | thiaguetz | its working |
| 03:37.13 | Kage` | Anyone mind helping me with an "Cannot assign requested address" error I'm getting? |
| 03:37.33 | nvz | Kage`: mind telling us more details? |
| 03:37.50 | Kage` | I tried running irpg, it puts that in the debug |
| 03:37.57 | pickcoder | thiaguetz: rm -r -f /var/lib/apt/lists/* ; apt-get update |
| 03:38.04 | pickcoder | wait |
| 03:38.05 | itchi | thiaguetz: Just one more server test; Can you try with the following server deb ftp://ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be/debian/ etch main |
| 03:38.12 | Kage` | nvz, lemme grab the code from irph |
| 03:38.15 | Kage` | irpg^ |
| 03:38.24 | pickcoder | thiaguetz: gah.. the partial and lock files are there |
| 03:38.26 | thiaguetz | trying the pickcoder suggestion, wait |
| 03:38.48 | pickcoder | well you can either manually remove http* and ftp* |
| 03:38.57 | itchi | thiaguetz: Yup do that ;-) I not use the server you use, these ^ i know it working right like i use these local mirror |
| 03:38.58 | pickcoder | or rm * and the touch the partial and lock |
| 03:39.09 | thiaguetz | shit |
| 03:39.09 | thiaguetz | E: Lists directory /var/lib/apt/lists/partial is missing. |
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| 03:39.10 | nvz | Kage`: I dont know wtf an irpg is, and neither does the bot, and nothing comes up on an apt search |
| 03:39.19 | pickcoder | thiaguetz: touch /var/lib/apt/lists/partial |
| 03:39.25 | Kage` | nvz, irpg is an idle bot for IRC |
| 03:39.30 | Kage` | /join #irpg |
| 03:39.33 | Kage` | On this network |
| 03:39.34 | pickcoder | thiaguetz: then apt-get update |
| 03:39.54 | nvz | Kage`: a bot thats not in debian... isnt there any developers that can help you?' |
| 03:40.01 | thiaguetz | oh fuck.. |
| 03:40.03 | Kage` | nvz, it's returning a debian error |
| 03:40.07 | Kage` | http://pastebin.ca/182550 is the code |
| 03:40.08 | thiaguetz | sitll having the partial missing |
| 03:40.13 | Kage` | debug("Error: failed to connect: $!\n"); |
| 03:40.22 | Kage` | Returns this in the log: |
| 03:40.23 | Kage` | [09/09/06 18:47:57] Error: failed to connect: Cannot assign requested address |
| 03:40.35 | pickcoder | thiaguetz: did you "touch /var/lib/apt/lists/partial |
| 03:40.37 | Kage` | And they said in #perl that "Cannot assign ..." is a debian error |
| 03:40.38 | pickcoder | +" |
| 03:40.40 | Kage` | Not a Perl issue |
| 03:40.42 | thiaguetz | uyes! |
| 03:40.47 | itchi | thiaguetz: partial is an directory |
| 03:40.57 | pickcoder | gah |
| 03:41.00 | pickcoder | yeah it's a dir |
| 03:41.03 | pickcoder | :P |
| 03:41.10 | nvz | Kage`: wtf is that I am looking at? looks like code |
| 03:41.14 | itchi | :-p |
| 03:41.16 | Kage` | nvz, it's Perl |
| 03:41.24 | nvz | yeah I can see that |
| 03:41.31 | pickcoder | show show often I clean up botched lists |
| 03:41.32 | pickcoder | r/show// |
| 03:41.39 | nvz | I was looking for details on the error but that wasnt what I was expecting |
| 03:41.43 | Kage` | nvz, the line: |
| 03:41.44 | Kage` | $sock = IO::Socket::INET->new(%sockinfo) or |
| 03:41.45 | Kage` | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.48 | thiaguetz | dammit |
| 03:41.52 | Kage` | Is what returns the error |
| 03:41.53 | itchi | nvz: That's cyber drugs where you are looking to :-p |
| 03:41.55 | thiaguetz | still having the error that is missing |
| 03:42.06 | thiaguetz | fuck!! |
| 03:42.07 | pickcoder | thiaguetz: rm /var/lib/apt/lists/partial |
| 03:42.09 | nvz | itchi: meh?! |
| 03:42.11 | pickcoder | thiaguetz: mkdir /var/lib/apt/lists/partial |
| 03:42.12 | Kage` | The error is INET cannot open a socket due to some issue within Debian, nvz |
| 03:42.24 | nvz | some drugs wouldnt hurt I found out I am not really tired after laying in bed for hours |
| 03:42.29 | nvz | need something to do |
| 03:42.43 | thiaguetz | now it worked the directory |
| 03:42.44 | thiaguetz | BUT |
| 03:42.47 | itchi | nvz: Need to shoot you? Read a bit of perl :-p |
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| 03:42.55 | thiaguetz | the apt-get is showing me the ssaaaaammme error |
| 03:42.58 | itchi | nvz: And you become stone :-p :-p |
| 03:42.59 | pickcoder | Kage`: netstat -a | grep 6667 |
| 03:43.03 | nvz | Kage`: I am not sure where to even begin.. I am still not following what the problem is :P |
| 03:43.20 | Kage` | pickcoder |
| 03:43.21 | Kage` | kage@konjou:~/irpg$ netstat -a | grep 6667 |
| 03:43.22 | Kage` | unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 21666788 |
| 03:43.22 | Kage` | kage@konjou:~/irpg$ |
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| 03:43.24 | nvz | itchi: I'd rather become stoned |
| 03:43.30 | Kage` | paster bot? |
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| 03:43.39 | thiaguetz | any ideias? |
| 03:43.44 | pickcoder | Kage`: no need. just looking for existing 6667 usage |
| 03:43.47 | nvz | Kage`: thats a eggdrop bot |
| 03:44.04 | Kage` | nvz, not really an eggdrop, but essentially, yeah |
| 03:44.07 | pickcoder | Kage`: you may want to reboot |
| 03:44.12 | Kage` | pickcoder, can't |
| 03:44.13 | nvz | Kage`: no, debhelper.. the one that kicked you |
| 03:44.25 | Kage` | This is a VPS |
| 03:44.27 | pickcoder | Kage`: have you tried taking the network device down? |
| 03:44.33 | itchi | There is supybot :-p cooool to and writed in Python, if you prefer some other drugs :-) |
| 03:44.40 | Kage` | pickcoder, I don't have control over that :P |
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| 03:45.02 | pickcoder | thiaguetz: which release of Etch did you install? |
| 03:45.08 | pickcoder | thiaguetz: there's 3 betas |
| 03:45.11 | itchi | thiaguetz: Strange, somethings b0rked it's looks |
| 03:45.21 | itchi | thiaguetz: Have you another Etch box? |
| 03:45.30 | pickcoder | Kage`: if you can't bind to a port then something is using it |
| 03:45.36 | thiaguetz | i can download the apt-get update from ftp://ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be/debian/ |
| 03:45.39 | thiaguetz | without problemas |
| 03:45.42 | thiaguetz | *problems |
| 03:45.53 | thiaguetz | i installed from a netinst daily snaphshot |
| 03:45.53 | Kage` | pickcoder, I don't understand how there'd be an issue... |
| 03:45.53 | itchi | ahah :-P |
| 03:45.56 | thiaguetz | *sanapshot |
| 03:45.58 | pickcoder | Kage`: an improperly closed port will lock up and show in netstat as time_wait until the subsystem clears it |
| 03:46.05 | thiaguetz | *snapshot |
| 03:46.06 | itchi | thiaguetz: Belgiums servers :-) |
| 03:46.09 | thiaguetz | hahahaha |
| 03:46.23 | thiaguetz | i dont have any extra testing box :S |
| 03:46.23 | Kage` | pickcoder, nothing's showing in netstat |
| 03:46.27 | thiaguetz | only one unstable... |
| 03:46.33 | itchi | thiaguetz: Something out then of the server you tried |
| 03:46.37 | pickcoder | Kage`: I know, that's what I don't get. |
| 03:47.02 | pickcoder | thiaguetz: try aptitude update |
| 03:47.13 | thiaguetz | any ideas? is there any possibility that the mirrors of testing release are broken? |
| 03:47.35 | nvz | thiaguetz: very very very very slim chance |
| 03:47.41 | nvz | since there are tons of them |
| 03:47.47 | itchi | thiaguetz: Here it's working right |
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| 03:48.08 | thiaguetz | can you send me your sources.list? |
| 03:48.13 | pickcoder | thiaguetz: try aptitude update |
| 03:48.23 | tokil | Is there such a thing as a downloadable sarge 2.6? |
| 03:48.39 | thiaguetz | just a sec, i am installing apitude from belgium servers :S |
| 03:48.47 | thiaguetz | *:D |
| 03:48.52 | nvz | tokil: nope, perhaps you are looking for a binary linux kernel image 2.6 for sarge? |
| 03:48.59 | itchi | thiaguetz: I use apt-proxy So that will not help you deb http://earth:9999/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 03:49.09 | tokil | tokil: maybe... One that default supports acpi |
| 03:49.17 | thiaguetz | ahmmmm |
| 03:49.24 | nvz | tokil: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 03:49.31 | nvz | tokil: they all have acpi support |
| 03:49.33 | itchi | thiaguetz: But on the proxy server it's proxy source.list are a bit differents as that of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:49.55 | tokil | nvz: When i went from sarge 2.4 to 2.6 i lost ACPI support default, I couldn't get it to work afterwards |
| 03:49.58 | thiaguetz | i think the belgium server will be my preferred apt server... and maybe the country i will move on next year hahaha |
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| 03:50.06 | nvz | tokil: you boot with linux26 from the installer prompt when you insert the cd to install with 2.6 fyi |
| 03:50.23 | Bennedetto | hey, are there any good debian specific forums that i can direct my friend to to search his issues? |
| 03:50.24 | Kage` | Wow, are people in #perl assholes o_o; |
| 03:50.26 | tokil | nvz: is that on netboot or only full version boot? |
| 03:50.37 | nvz | tokil: all versions should have both kernels |
| 03:50.42 | itchi | thiaguetz: We have an little country here. So i guess we got beer when we see his both here :-P |
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| 03:50.58 | thiaguetz | hahahaha |
| 03:51.03 | nvz | Kage`: they probably just see clean code and dont care wtf is going on with your system |
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| 03:51.28 | thiaguetz | hey... now it is serius... i am not having any problem from the belgium server... |
| 03:51.34 | thiaguetz | this is VERY strange huh... |
| 03:51.59 | itchi | thiaguetz: #Comment your old entry and add temporally that .be mirror and try in some time. Probably your local mirror is stone |
| 03:52.00 | nvz | Kage`: and since this isnt a debian package that I can reference.. look at its dependencies, bug reports, changelogs, and try out for myself easily.. I am reluctant to comment myself |
| 03:52.14 | itchi | thiaguetz: Your mirror not like perl :-p |
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| 03:52.44 | thiaguetz | ahhh |
| 03:52.49 | tokil | nvz is the option of 2.4 or 2.6 in the install option? |
| 03:52.55 | thiaguetz | ruby is better than perl :D |
| 03:52.56 | thiaguetz | hahahah |
| 03:53.04 | thiaguetz | sorry, i am a ruby addicted! |
| 03:53.18 | itchi | thiaguetz: Attention, i like Python many more :-) :-) |
| 03:53.30 | nvz | I find at least with myself anyhow using and supporting debian comes rather routine after a while.. as long as its debian, we can just about use or support anything with the same protocol.. its a whole different ballgame with other stuff |
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| 03:53.37 | thiaguetz | old skool ruby addicted (dont confuse the rails boom with me huh!) |
| 03:53.37 | itchi | thiaguetz: I like another drugs ;-( |
| 03:53.41 | thiaguetz | hahahahha |
| 03:53.46 | thiaguetz | python is nice! |
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| 03:53.51 | itchi | oeps, that is it ;-) |
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| 03:54.25 | thiaguetz | i like it... but when i found ruby on my way i wbecame infected with it! |
| 03:54.35 | thiaguetz | well... |
| 03:54.52 | tokil | nvz is the option of 2.4 or 2.6 in the install option? |
| 03:55.05 | nvz | tokil: its documented in the install guide as well as accessible info on the cd's bootloader.. you boot the cd with the linux26 option and it will install with 2.6 instead of 2.4 |
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| 03:55.23 | thiaguetz | i did the following |
| 03:55.23 | blindedy | hola amigos de debian |
| 03:55.28 | nvz | tokil: the installer just copies the running kernel.. so you have to boot the installer with the kernel you want |
| 03:55.45 | thiaguetz | commented out the .be server... and added the official debian mirror... |
| 03:55.50 | thiaguetz | and, same error |
| 03:56.00 | blindedy | como estan |
| 03:56.07 | itchi | thiaguetz: Changes that we not all like the same car, and the pink version :-) |
| 03:56.11 | nvz | tokil: as for acpi the 2.6 kernel in sarge supports it.. you may need to load some modules to gain support for ACPI |
| 03:56.16 | thiaguetz | so, the belgiums are fine and shining like ruby! |
| 03:56.24 | nvz | blindedy: #debian-es, por favor |
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| 03:56.46 | itchi | thiaguetz: Everyone is it ;-) |
| 03:57.09 | thiaguetz | itchi: come on! we play in the same team... opensource dood! :D just joking... |
| 03:57.17 | itchi | thiaguetz: You are from Brazil? |
| 03:57.24 | thiaguetz | itchi: yeah |
| 03:57.36 | nvz | blindedy: nosotros hablamos solomente ingles aqui. por favor usen #debian-es, obtendran mas ayuda alli |
| 03:57.41 | itchi | thiaguetz: Bit far, but near here on the net ;-) |
| 03:57.45 | tokil | nvz: so you cannot download a bootable 2.6 sarge cd, right? |
| 03:57.50 | nvz | I havent spoken or written spanish in ages, so sue me |
| 03:57.52 | thiaguetz | itchi: where are u from? |
| 03:57.52 | tokil | bootable -installer |
| 03:58.10 | itchi | tokil: You can pass an boot param to install the 2.6 |
| 03:58.17 | nvz | tokil: all of them are. you are expected to read the damn install guide to know how to use the cd |
| 03:58.26 | tokil | nvz: don't have to get snappy |
| 03:58.35 | itchi | thiaguetz: Belgium, near Brussels, just below |
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| 03:58.45 | nvz | tokil: I was just giving you an fyi you dont have to worry about it.. you can get whatever kernel you want on your system |
| 03:59.03 | tokil | nvz: thank you very much |
| 03:59.04 | pickcoder | Kage`: do you have a valid address in $opts(servers)->[0]? |
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| 03:59.13 | thiaguetz | itchi: ahh, nice :) |
| 03:59.16 | Kage` | pickcoder, yes |
| 03:59.21 | Kage` | I'm connected to it as we speak |
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| 03:59.39 | itchi | I not get that damn UPS working urg :-/ |
| 03:59.45 | pickcoder | Kage`: can you print it to the console for verification? |
| 03:59.47 | nvz | Kage`: you must be talking to yourself, cause all I see is text.. I dont hear a word you are saying ;) |
| 03:59.50 | Kage` | [09/09/06 18:47:57] Connecting to irc.hackthissite.org:6667... |
| 03:59.50 | Kage` | [09/09/06 18:47:57] Error: failed to connect: Cannot assign requested address |
| 04:00.13 | Kage` | nvz, har har :P |
| 04:00.17 | grendelson | I am having a bear of a tiem trying to update (running testing) reportbug crapped out with errors and now is Broken. |
| 04:00.18 | itchi | And there is been an pinguin design on the box |
| 04:00.24 | nvz | sounds to me like "Cannot assign requested address" may be referring to binding to the ip of the machine its on |
| 04:00.25 | grendelson | How can I purge it whe nit keeps erroring out? |
| 04:00.36 | nvz | might be a nat issue or something of the sort |
| 04:00.54 | thiaguetz | itchi: well.. i need to go... thanks for the belgium server tip! |
| 04:01.18 | itchi | thiaguetz: Thanks to these that turn that server ;-) Welcome here ;-) |
| 04:01.19 | Kage` | nvz, that's what I'm wondering |
| 04:01.27 | thiaguetz | itchi: i will distribute this address to my friends here in brazil :D |
| 04:01.41 | itchi | thiaguetz: lol |
| 04:01.44 | nvz | Kage`: its not as though it would have any reason or ability to assign anything to a foreign host |
| 04:01.49 | thiaguetz | thanks, bye! |
| 04:01.53 | pickcoder | Kage`: try concatenating the host and port together for PeerAddr |
| 04:01.54 | nvz | Kage`: so it must be talking about your address |
| 04:01.59 | pickcoder | Kage`: ip:port |
| 04:02.01 | DaveLib | hello i am running sarge i am wondering about trying fvwm-crystal that is in etch but not in sarge |
| 04:02.15 | Kage` | pickcoder, where? In the code? |
| 04:02.21 | DaveLib | my sarge has the sarge default fvwm 2.5 |
| 04:02.26 | pickcoder | Kage`: yeah.. concatenate with a colon |
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| 04:02.51 | DaveLib | according to fvwm-crystal 's www they need at least fvwm 2.5.13 |
| 04:02.58 | nvz | DaveLib: give me the full version on that fvwm dpkg -l |
| 04:03.06 | nvz | DaveLib: yeah thats what I am looking at |
| 04:03.15 | pickcoder | Kage`: set Proto to "tcp" |
| 04:03.18 | DaveLib | backports has fvwm 2.5.16 & 2.5.17 |
| 04:03.21 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3861 < can anyone tells me how to fix this error please? I've tried purging -mauallyinstalling deb etc |
| 04:03.48 | nvz | ffs |
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| 04:03.52 | nvz | !info fvwm sarge |
| 04:03.56 | dpkg | fvwm: (F(?) Virtual Window Manager, version 2.5), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.5.12-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 2989 kB, Installed size: 7628 kB |
| 04:04.25 | Kage` | pickcoder, Proto => "tcp", ? |
| 04:04.38 | pickcoder | Kage`: yeah |
| 04:04.51 | itchi | grendelson: Is reportbug writed in Python? |
| 04:05.00 | DaveLib | nvz: i did dpkg -l fvwm in a shell i forgot how to paste here ie paste channel or what web site |
| 04:05.01 | Kage` | Nothing |
| 04:05.09 | nvz | DaveLib: here is what I'd do.. either grab the backport, setup an equivs package, and then pin everything down to sarge so you dont accidentally cross-contaminate then fetch the fvwm-crystal from etch |
| 04:05.10 | itchi | grendelson: Or is that post install script of that pycentral that are bugy? |
| 04:05.11 | grendelson | itchi - I don't knwo - I assume the install scripts are.. |
| 04:05.19 | nvz | DaveLib: I figured it out already I dont need it anymore |
| 04:05.47 | DaveLib | nvz: ok re dotn need paste hmm i am reading your recommendation to understand it... |
| 04:05.48 | itchi | grendelson: Make you use of pycentral? |
| 04:05.54 | grendelson | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2006-09-07 08:23 /usr/bin/python -> /usr/bin/python2.4 |
| 04:05.58 | nvz | DaveLib: probably best bet is to setup your pinning and grab those backports (hopefully sarge backports) |
| 04:06.04 | grendelson | itchi - I don't know what pycentral is! |
| 04:06.06 | waldschatten | Is Debian better than Kubuntu? |
| 04:06.16 | tokil | nvz: i found the linux26 boot parameter, thanks to you =0 |
| 04:06.17 | tokil | =) |
| 04:06.23 | nvz | DaveLib: you cant grab fvwm from etch or you are running etch, because it has libc dependencies and stuff |
| 04:06.30 | pickcoder | Kage`: try changing 6667 to irc(6667) |
| 04:06.40 | nvz | DaveLib: the backports would be compiled against your libc |
| 04:06.46 | DaveLib | nvz: well there seems to be the new fvem backport i need but i dont think fvwm-crystal is in backports yet ie from my searching the backports site |
| 04:06.52 | Kage` | WAIT |
| 04:06.54 | Kage` | I got it |
| 04:07.08 | Kage` | It was trying to bind to a vhost that was not my hostname |
| 04:07.11 | nvz | DaveLib: yeah this is why you are going to pin and pull fvwm-crystal from etch |
| 04:07.22 | pickcoder | Kage`: heh |
| 04:07.47 | itchi | grendelson: There is somethings wrong with reportbug_3.29.5_all.deb |
| 04:07.58 | DaveLib | ok i have to ubnderstand what you are talking about better justasec i will reread your prev comment |
| 04:08.33 | nvz | DaveLib: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 04:08.48 | DaveLib | thx nvz checking that.. |
| 04:08.52 | grendelson | itchi _ i got that - but I'm not sure how to undo it - How can I purge reportbug now that te install is all fubar - it won't let anythign else get installed or update... |
| 04:08.57 | nvz | DaveLib: pinning will make sure you will only pull the packages you want from etch and not accidentally cross-contaminate your system |
| 04:09.49 | nvz | DaveLib: once you've gone and upgraded base packages like libc6 you are going to start breaking things and your only option is going to be to upgrade completly to etch unless you want to reinstall |
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| 04:09.58 | itchi | grendelson: I think there is an need to make an reportbug about it |
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| 04:10.04 | DaveLib | ok i think i did that before i set priority #'s in the apt-preferences file |
| 04:10.13 | itchi | grendelson: Or at least looking if it's already know |
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| 04:10.39 | itchi | grendelson: It's been Etch? |
| 04:10.58 | grendelson | It is Etch (testing) |
| 04:11.27 | DaveLib | nvz: so is it possible for me to pull fvem-crystal from etch without upgrading my base libc6? |
| 04:11.28 | itchi | grendelson: Maybe reinstall reportbug?? |
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| 04:12.11 | grendelson | itchi - I tried that but get the same erro or bad install error - I tried manually with .deb and that failed.. |
| 04:12.16 | nvz | DaveLib: fvwm-crystal doesnt depend on libc6, but it depends as you said on fvwm >= 2.5.13 which depends on libc6 >= 2.3.6-6 among other things |
| 04:12.43 | nvz | DaveLib: this is why uou will need to install a backported fvwm and pin everything to sarge, then set a pin for fvwm-crystal |
| 04:13.08 | itchi | grendelson: And simply remove that reportbug application? |
| 04:13.18 | nvz | DaveLib: so if you install fvwm-crystal without pinning and backporting fvwm you might as well just dist-upgrade to etch |
| 04:13.18 | DaveLib | nvz: ahh ok! so if i do backport for fvwm yes ok just saw your last message so the backportys will give me newer fvwm with the old libc6 |
| 04:13.27 | nvz | DaveLib: right |
| 04:13.37 | grendelson | itchi won't remove - gets errors - I've tried dpkg -P, -r and I've tried aptitude . Not sure if there is a way to "force it to remove" |
| 04:14.07 | itchi | grendelson: Probably there are, but i not know how to |
| 04:14.11 | DaveLib | ok and once thw backpoorted new fvwm is in place the etch install of fvwm-crystal will be safe wont pull in extra garbage |
| 04:14.55 | nvz | DaveLib: well it has other depends like python-support.. etc you still want to pin to be safe |
| 04:15.20 | nvz | DaveLib: but afaict fvwm-crystal -> fvwm -> libc6 is the most dangerous depends chain you want to avoid |
| 04:15.40 | DaveLib | nvz: ok |
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| 04:16.05 | itchi | grendelson: You can try to look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ and look in the reportbug* files. But i'm to unexperienced with it. |
| 04:16.07 | DaveLib | nvz: which distro do you run? |
| 04:16.27 | nvz | DaveLib: when in doubt you could fetch the deb for fvwm-crystal off the repo and install it with dpkg manually which isnt able to resolve depends in the first place.. and if it needs something else it will fail to install |
| 04:16.44 | nvz | DaveLib: I got etch on two machines and sarge on the other one |
| 04:16.47 | DaveLib | i started debian for the first time a few months ago i wanted to be safe so stuck with etch |
| 04:17.03 | nvz | you mean sarge |
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| 04:17.15 | DaveLib | my sarge use has been fine so far i havent been having problems |
| 04:17.29 | DaveLib | yes sorry stuck with sarge |
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| 04:17.43 | nvz | DaveLib: when you feel comfortable and get to know the BTS, and package system a little you should upgrade to etch |
| 04:18.01 | withayanda | i'm suddenly having problems with my cd drive not mounting. i haven't touched fstab. where can i start to fix this? |
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| 04:18.15 | nvz | DaveLib: sarge is frozen.. to help further development of debian using our testing branch and reporting your milage using things like the BTS is a great service to the community |
| 04:18.22 | DaveLib | i was wondering if i switch to etch will my upgrades keep giving new feature upgrades instead of just security updgrades? |
| 04:18.34 | minerale | what's the name for the mplayer plugin for firefox? |
| 04:18.43 | nvz | DaveLib: yes until etch freezes and becomes stable |
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| 04:19.01 | DaveLib | ie i was beginning to wonder if it was time for me to graduate from sarge to etch |
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| 04:19.19 | Xormic | I'm gonna stick with sarge for a while. |
| 04:19.19 | itchi | grendelson: You can edit these .postrm and .prerm of that bugreport and add "exit 0" as second line |
| 04:19.33 | Nibbier | what is the default runlevel in debian, and why do 2,3,4 and 5 look so very similar? |
| 04:19.49 | nvz | DaveLib: new packages end up in either sid(unstable) or if they are not ready for general use yet they get dumped off in experimental.. but after being in sid a few days with no rc bugs or major issues running in the testing branch they are moved into testing pending release of the next stable |
| 04:19.53 | Xormic | look in inittab? Nibbier |
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| 04:20.07 | Nibbier | Xormic, ok, thanks |
| 04:20.16 | DaveLib | so i guess things are not too crazy in testing? |
| 04:20.21 | nvz | DaveLib: I would gain a good knowledge of how the whole debian machine works then go for the upgrade if this is just your non-critical workstation |
| 04:20.31 | poopybutt | i cannot change the ownership of a separate mounted hd mounted at /media/hdb1 |
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| 04:20.41 | poopybutt | i use chown, but it wont change |
| 04:20.44 | DaveLib | well this is my main workstation |
| 04:20.44 | stew | Nibbier: default is 2, they are all treated the same by debian, if you want to make them different it is up to you |
| 04:20.48 | nvz | DaveLib: some interesting packages to install or at least have a look at prior to upgrade are apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges |
| 04:20.50 | stew | poopybutt: what filesystem is on the partition? |
| 04:21.01 | poopybutt | stew: fat32 |
| 04:21.07 | Nibbier | stew, mainly i wanted to know which one to change to change the default... |
| 04:21.12 | DaveLib | thx nvz i didnt know about that will check it out |
| 04:21.15 | Nibbier | like, disabeling services etc |
| 04:21.15 | stew | poopybutt: fat32 doesn't have the concept of permissions |
| 04:21.31 | nvz | DaveLib: they will notify you before installation of any known bugs against the package on the BTS and give you time to look up those bug reports and decide if they apply to you |
| 04:21.52 | stew | Nibbier: you can use rcconf if you just want to enable / disable services |
| 04:21.53 | nvz | DaveLib: and apt-listchanges shows changelog entries just the same fashion as apt-listbugs |
| 04:22.00 | DaveLib | i havent used the BTS before |
| 04:22.18 | poopybutt | stew: well heres my problem. i want to use it as a file exchange for windows/debian but i cannot write to it in linux |
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| 04:22.30 | stew | poopybutt: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 04:22.33 | Nibbier | rcconf... aha... thanks ;-) |
| 04:22.33 | nvz | DaveLib: well you should familiarize yourself with the whole BTS thing, and mailing lists.. its obvious you already know about the support channel |
| 04:23.07 | DaveLib | yes BTS and mailing lists are new to me |
| 04:23.30 | nvz | DaveLib: the thing is like I was saying earlier we develop a certain protocol to using and supporting debian packages.. but we are aware that things break in the non-stable trees and those who can fix these issues are always on top of doing so.. |
| 04:23.49 | nvz | DaveLib: bitching about issues that you should report to the bts and wait for a fix on, or fix yourself is frowned upon around here |
| 04:24.08 | nvz | DaveLib: we will still help you but you have to come to expect responses like file a bug report, mail a maintanier..etc |
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| 04:24.41 | nvz | DaveLib: and you are expected to know enough to use caution and good judgement in not landing yourself in a broken situation where you feel inclined to whine in here |
| 04:24.53 | DaveLib | i just looked at the debian testign page for fvwm-crystal another dependency is habak which is testing and depends on libc6 |
| 04:25.27 | DaveLib | yes so far i have been cautious and moved slowly with things and come here to check steps will be ok before trying them |
| 04:25.40 | nvz | DaveLib: any backports available for that? |
| 04:25.50 | DaveLib | ahh let me check... |
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| 04:26.20 | enouf | poopybutt: you can use the mount options rwuser,noauto,umask=000 |
| 04:26.20 | poopybutt | stew: do the spacings in fstab need to be in some sort of order? |
| 04:26.27 | nvz | DaveLib: we appreciate the users like yourself that can help us help you ;) |
| 04:26.28 | enouf | poopybutt: you can use the mount options rw,user,noauto,umask=000 |
| 04:26.43 | enouf | correction ^^^^ |
| 04:26.54 | nvz | DaveLib: You'd do yourself and debian users everywhere a great service helping out with testing |
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| 04:27.03 | DaveLib | nvz: thx re habak backport apparently not |
| 04:27.09 | stew | poopybutt: the columns need to be in order, but the space between them doesn't matter |
| 04:27.09 | poopybutt | enouf: do i not need umask to be 002 then? |
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| 04:27.39 | enouf | poopybutt: not that I know of - why would you? |
| 04:27.52 | chrismurf | I'm using dpkg-buildpackage to build totem, and I want to build totem-gstreamer instead of totem-xine |
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| 04:27.59 | chrismurf | how do I pass in that option? |
| 04:28.10 | nvz | DaveLib: i've uncovered countless little bugs overlooked in the sarge release that are now frozen in time.. so the more eyes on the next release the better |
| 04:28.18 | chrismurf | I've edited the package as I need to, but can't figure out how to build a gstreamer version |
| 04:28.28 | poopybutt | enouf: cause it says to in vfatrw |
| 04:28.32 | DaveLib | do you find many problems in etch? |
| 04:28.46 | enouf | poopybutt: I see |
| 04:28.59 | nvz | DaveLib: yeah I uncovered a few bugs already with packages I use day-to-day in the week or so since I upgraded |
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| 04:29.03 | DaveLib | ie for me sarge has been running very smoothly if i can hope similar from etch maybe its time for me to dist-upgrade |
| 04:29.24 | DaveLib | wow several in only a week |
| 04:29.28 | nvz | DaveLib: nothing critical.. and this machine I installed fresh with etch and didnt have any problems |
| 04:29.45 | nvz | DaveLib: little things.. aterm's psuedo-trans seems fubar |
| 04:29.47 | Nibbier | i just went from sarge to etch... xinerama is so much more smooth.... |
| 04:29.53 | enouf | poopybutt: umask 002 seems to show it's not User writable (ie hence the rwxrwxr-x) |
| 04:30.15 | enouf | poopybutt: no w for user in that |
| 04:30.15 | itchi | Perso the 'main' problem is the amount of updates in Etch, if you are limited in downloads |
| 04:30.15 | poopybutt | oh ok |
| 04:30.18 | DaveLib | i suppose another thing i could do ias make a new partition and do an etch install there to try things out |
| 04:30.28 | grendal_prime | can someone explain to me (in short simplified version) as to this believe that if i was to design an app based on the debian os, i would have to turn over all source code to...debian? |
| 04:30.33 | DaveLib | i have 50 gig free here |
| 04:31.18 | itchi | DaveLib: Or play with virtual machines?? Aka qemu for example |
| 04:31.25 | nvz | DaveLib: yeah. nothing real serious generally happens in testing.. but you can expect some bugs |
| 04:31.30 | grendal_prime | something that runs...like...php and db backend like postgresql, or mono c sharp compiler? |
| 04:31.32 | DaveLib | ahh ok i havent tried that yet |
| 04:31.34 | stew | grendal_prime: no. you need to make the source code available to anyone who you distribute binaries too, however |
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| 04:31.59 | nvz | DaveLib: and someone got to find them or they will never get fixed.. its about taking one for the team if you are just playing around and have a non-critical system |
| 04:32.19 | grendal_prime | you mean the source code for debian. not the applicaton i write correct? |
| 04:32.33 | DaveLib | there is a recent virtualization system put into debian eh? |
| 04:32.44 | nvz | DaveLib: I find it suitable for my desktops.. if something minor comes up I can probably fix it, and if not I can survive with static binaries on the console ;) |
| 04:32.46 | DaveLib | it only runs linuxes |
| 04:32.55 | g333k | Hi, Why there are mozilla-firefox and firefox pkgs? which are the original? |
| 04:32.56 | stew | grendal_prime: whatever you distribute |
| 04:33.10 | DaveLib | or maybe it only runs copies of the same distro... |
| 04:33.28 | enouf | poopybutt: here's an example of my /etc/fstab http://pastebin.ca/182563 note the vfat partitions ... and they are only spaces in between(use spacebar - not tabs) |
| 04:33.28 | stew | g333k: mozilla-firefox in stable and firefox in testing/unstable |
| 04:33.44 | stew | enouf: why not tabs? |
| 04:33.46 | g333k | stew, I have both... and I use testing |
| 04:33.48 | poopybutt | enouf: i followed the example in vfatrw and here is my updated fstab. would that work. do i need to adjust the columns? http://pastebin.ca/182562 |
| 04:34.05 | enouf | stew : that's the way I found the original .. that's all |
| 04:34.12 | grendal_prime | ok stew say i develope an application, and i lease the machine to a company. as a service i ...say clean data from email. Do i have to turn over all the code i use to do that? |
| 04:34.24 | poopybutt | enouf: your example looks easier, ill try that |
| 04:34.29 | stew | g333k: the mozilla-firefox package was there just to provide an upgrade path for you from sarge. if you run "dpkg -L mozilla-firefox" you'll find that it didn't actually install many fies |
| 04:34.33 | stew | files* |
| 04:34.37 | nvz | stew: I dont use tabs because longer mount points or something screw up the formatting :P |
| 04:34.52 | enouf | poopybutt: but Note - mine are 'ro' not 'rw' - so just alter that |
| 04:34.56 | nvz | stew: sometimes I get bored enough to make my config files pretty :P |
| 04:35.06 | poopybutt | enouf: yeah i saw that |
| 04:35.24 | Kyuss | Hello? |
| 04:35.42 | grendelson | I am really stuck on how to move reportbug. I am stuck at 3.29.3 and the upgrde to 3.29.5_all is failing with python-central errors and I cont remove or reinstall... |
| 04:36.03 | grendelson | I saw similar error at BTS but it states fixed by newer version _ i'm pulling from testing... |
| 04:36.12 | poopybutt | enouf: do i actually use the word user, or do i replace that with my username? |
| 04:36.14 | grendelson | I have python 2.4 |
| 04:36.15 | Kyuss | My resolution is still stuck at 640x480 |
| 04:36.30 | nvz | so change it? |
| 04:36.34 | enouf | nvz : now cut that out :-p I don't spend that much time making them p-u-r-d-y |
| 04:36.43 | Kyuss | I've tried dpkg-reconfigure, 855resolution, editing the boot file |
| 04:36.45 | stew | grendal_prime: if you wrote the code that does that yourself, then you can do whatever you want with it. if it is using something that you didn't write, you need to check the license for that software |
| 04:36.52 | Kyuss | allocated more video memory |
| 04:37.14 | nvz | enouf: heh I do. I've even gone as far as decorating them with commented chars |
| 04:37.22 | enouf | poopybutt: with 'user' then the logged user is able to mount - with 'users' then any user can mount -- with your uid= only you can mount (basically) |
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| 04:37.38 | itchi | grendelson: Can you get that lastes deb file with wget? |
| 04:37.45 | enouf | nvz : my hero |
| 04:37.55 | enouf | er idol |
| 04:37.56 | grendelson | itchi the deb I have is reportbug_3.29.5_all.deb |
| 04:37.57 | poopybutt | ahh |
| 04:37.59 | enouf | :-p |
| 04:38.03 | grendelson | from testing |
| 04:38.18 | poopybutt | enouf: do i need to restart for changes to take effect? |
| 04:38.35 | nvz | bah i think since i am sleepless and its too late to do anything productive I am gonna go sit on the couch, eat candy bars, and play xbox |
| 04:38.45 | enouf | poopybutt: um .. no - but you have to manually mount it now |
| 04:38.56 | Kyuss | Can anybody help? |
| 04:39.02 | nvz | luckily I bought more candy bars today |
| 04:39.12 | poopybutt | enouf: i think it was already mounted. will that be a problem? |
| 04:39.17 | stew | Kyuss: what version of debian are you running? |
| 04:39.25 | enouf | poopybutt: Yes - you have to remoun it -- pastebin the output of 'mount' |
| 04:39.30 | enouf | remount |
| 04:39.31 | stew | Kyuss: and which x driver are you using? |
| 04:39.43 | maelztrom | Does anybody know of a faq with a guide to hand compiling those unfortunate programs for which there isn't a .deb? I remember using fakeroot and dpkg from installing java....but the memory kind of fades from there beyond having seen that I fakerooted a special program for installing java.. |
| 04:39.47 | Kyuss | I believe it is 2.6 X, debian 31r3 |
| 04:40.03 | stew | maelztrom: /msg dpkg install java |
| 04:40.40 | nvz | stew: he's asking in general about installing 3rd party source distributed software, not java |
| 04:40.41 | stew | Kyuss: put /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and /var/log/XFree86.0.log into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 04:40.47 | poopybutt | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/182567 |
| 04:40.48 | grendal_prime | the reason that im asking is that i started asking around at work as to why we dont use linux for specific things. They said they would have to divulge to the clients all the souce for doing such things.?? I told them, i didnt think so because we wrote the code for doing this (mostly perl and and c++) but they seem confused about this fact. |
| 04:40.51 | maelztrom | Aye stew, but I'm looking for directions on doing this...with something other than java and the make-jpkg does something special that I'd have to do with other programs, no? |
| 04:41.16 | Kyuss | Um, I'm not on that computer. Haven't figured out how to install an IRC client on it yet |
| 04:41.18 | itchi | grendelson: You need to look in the /var/lib/dpkg/info/reportbug*.postrm files i think. And add there an line "exit 0" on the second line of the file, but i'm realy not sure, like i did it one time for an package that had an trouble like you |
| 04:41.49 | enouf | Lemme look at your paste .. but something like--> mount -t vfat -o remount,rw,user,umask=000 0 0 <-- note the missing 'noauto' option -- remove that for it to auto mount at boot time |
| 04:42.09 | stew | grendal_prime: if you own the code, you can do whatever you want with it. |
| 04:42.30 | Kage` | nvz, I am so freakin bored :P |
| 04:42.37 | Kyuss | I only have access to the synatics package manager, which package would I need to install to get and IRC client on it? |
| 04:42.49 | Kage` | nvz, I'm actually considering going to Bent Willy's right now... I am that bored... |
| 04:43.01 | stew | maelztrom: there is checkconfig, but i don't know how good of a job it does. are you positive that .debs don't exist for whatever it is you are trying to install? |
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| 04:43.22 | enouf | poopybutt: ok -- as root umount /dev/hdb1 |
| 04:43.51 | nvz | Kage`: hah.. I am not _that_ bored.. but then again I am not into that sort of thing.. I rather get smashed at home in good company. I am not against meeting new people I just prefer not to meet drunk people |
| 04:43.57 | Kyuss | ?? |
| 04:43.58 | maelztrom | stew: I'm a cs grad student whose professor has told his entire class to install a language he's invented with a special environment designed to bind to emacs... |
| 04:44.15 | nevyn | maelztrom: hah sucks to be you? |
| 04:44.16 | maelztrom | I can guarantee you no such deb package exists at this time--although I'd not be adverse to giving it to the classmates if I can make one |
| 04:44.16 | Kage` | nvz, indeed. Or go to a drumline party. :D |
| 04:44.17 | stew | maelztrom: /msg dpkg mg |
| 04:44.21 | Kyuss | what is the language called? |
| 04:44.25 | maelztrom | ciao |
| 04:44.27 | poopybutt | enouf: i typed unmount /dev/hdb1 and it says unmount command not found |
| 04:44.27 | maelztrom | www.ciaohome.org |
| 04:44.32 | Kage` | nvz, the WVU Drumline throws awesome parties. I should know; I'm in it. :D |
| 04:44.34 | maelztrom | (and please don't mistake that for an advert) |
| 04:44.47 | itchi | poopybutt: umount |
| 04:44.47 | nevyn | man.. guinepigs for a pat language |
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| 04:44.53 | Kage` | $3 a cup, usually, for Yuengling, in a keg. :D |
| 04:45.05 | enouf | poopybutt: then to remount that rw (which it already was) use mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 -t vfat -o remount,rw,user,umask=000 0 0 (i think) -- I'm not great on manually doing it - but for mine, I know the exact command - hehehe |
| 04:45.08 | g333k | what are the gnome language pack ? |
| 04:45.10 | Kyuss | mmm, prolog |
| 04:45.11 | maelztrom | thanks for that link stew...will go through it right now |
| 04:45.20 | nvz | Kage`: i've not been there.. or to any of the bars in town other than the Triangle over in westover.. my cousin's mom runs that little bar and its small and quiet and I dont have to pay at the door like the bigger clubs |
| 04:45.24 | enouf | poopybutt: umount not unmount == sans the 'n' |
| 04:45.29 | itchi | g333k: Want you gtk ? |
| 04:45.37 | Kyuss | Which package do I install through synaptics package manager to get an irc client? |
| 04:45.40 | enouf | poopybutt: don't ask :-p |
| 04:45.50 | g333k | itchi, ? |
| 04:45.56 | Kage` | nvz, You ought to come to a drumline party with me. $3-$5 gets you all-you-can-drink beer. |
| 04:45.57 | maelztrom | Nah, if it was prolog I wouldn't need a custom environment and his language modules :( |
| 04:46.07 | Kyuss | it says prolog right there |
| 04:46.13 | nvz | Kage`: not many females there though.. there are some decent chics that work there and frequent.. but its the same ones all the time :P |
| 04:46.15 | itchi | g333k: The interface? |
| 04:46.20 | Kage` | nvz, ohhhh yes there are |
| 04:46.28 | nevyn | Kyuss: what are you using now? |
| 04:46.33 | Kage` | Drumline == groupies out the wazoo |
| 04:46.39 | nvz | Kage`: I was talking about the triangle :P |
| 04:46.42 | Kage` | Ah |
| 04:46.42 | Kyuss | mirc on windows |
| 04:47.03 | nevyn | Kyuss: install xchat |
| 04:47.24 | maelztrom | Yeah...it's a superset if you look at some of the functionality though, at least...by my limited understanding...but wrong channel to debate, I just want a package that I don't have to worry about... |
| 04:47.27 | g333k | itchi, I want the gnome language pack |
| 04:47.40 | enouf | Kage`: I'll be right over |
| 04:47.46 | nvz | Kage`: I am gonna go hustle some money in the morning.. I got a bunch of stuff to sell while I was in pittsburgh this afternoon.. parts from my volvo, a print server, portable dvd player, broken ipod.. |
| 04:47.49 | Kage` | enouf, hmm? |
| 04:48.01 | enouf | nvz: bermuda ? |
| 04:48.05 | Kage` | nvz, broken ipod? |
| 04:48.05 | itchi | g333k: Oeps, the language pack |
| 04:48.14 | enouf | Kage`: party with groupies |
| 04:48.23 | nvz | Kage`: as for right now I probably got less than $3 on me :P yeah broken ipod mini 4g silver.. worth about $50 or so on ebay |
| 04:48.34 | poopybutt | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/182569 thats the output i got for the mount command, i dont think it worked |
| 04:48.36 | nvz | Kage`: my friend laid it on me cause he didnt know what to do with it |
| 04:48.47 | Kage` | enouf, you in Morgantown, WV? |
| 04:48.51 | nvz | Kage`: technically I owe him 50% |
| 04:49.15 | enouf | Kage`: nope :-( a few hundred miles at least |
| 04:49.35 | aFlag | I have an unkillable process :( |
| 04:49.43 | nvz | Kage`: most of the stuff I am probably going to ebay myself or have my cousin ebay.. but I am gonna try get some cash off something tomorrow at cashland or the ebay store |
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| 04:50.05 | aFlag | $ sudo kill -9 4716 |
| 04:50.06 | aFlag | $ ps aux | grep 4716 |
| 04:50.06 | aFlag | rafael 4716 0.0 0.1 1700 692 ? D 01:47 0:00 lsusb |
| 04:50.11 | aFlag | how do I kill that? |
| 04:50.35 | stew | aFlag: wait for the io its blocking on to complete |
| 04:50.52 | stew | aFlag: please don't paste in here: /msg dpkg paste |
| 04:51.00 | nvz | Kage`: I bought one of them shitty reciprocating saws aldis was selling for whatever reason and pawned it at cashland for more than I got it for.. usually the pawn shop isnt profitable.. but they arent that smart over there I am from out of town and can still pull a fast one on em |
| 04:51.00 | pickcoder | nvz: what's broken on the ipod? |
| 04:51.01 | aFlag | it was just 3 lines |
| 04:51.03 | enouf | poopybutt: use mount -t vfat -o remount,rw,user,umask=000 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 |
| 04:51.05 | aFlag | I thought it would be ok |
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| 04:51.41 | g333k | is the amsn pkg avaiable in the repos the lastest version? |
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| 04:51.55 | nvz | pickcoder: no idea.. I looked up some technical info about how to rescue them.. and I tried to put it into disk mode to format.. but all I can get it to do is show the sad mac face thing like the mac's do or popup a folder with an ! on it.. I take it the hd is dead. |
| 04:52.16 | Kage` | nvz, what's wrong with the ipod? |
| 04:52.26 | aFlag | stew, isn't there a way to make it stop right away? |
| 04:52.29 | Kyuss | Ok, So I needed to pastebin my xfree86.0.log in the /var/log/ directory and what? |
| 04:52.47 | Kevin` | hmm I got a mac a while back, should turn it on and see if it works :) |
| 04:52.55 | nvz | pickcoder: this model.. the mini 4g silver is just a solid metal tube thing and the IC, HD, Battery, LCD were all sandwitched together and slid inside then the end caps were glued on.. I wouldnt dream of trying to disect it |
| 04:53.06 | aFlag | stew, make it quit waiting for the IO, or whatever? |
| 04:53.15 | stew | aFlag: no, that's what the D means |
| 04:53.26 | nvz | pickcoder: they sell broken for like $50 on ebay |
| 04:53.42 | aFlag | hum, I guess I'll have to restart, then |
| 04:53.49 | linuxmigration | have you stopped serving weekly testing torrents? |
| 04:53.54 | pickcoder | nvz: did try the updater utility/ |
| 04:53.57 | Kage` | nvz, give it to me, I wanna try and fix it :P |
| 04:53.58 | Kyuss | /etc/x11/xf86config-4 ? |
| 04:54.01 | nvz | pickcoder: if you take it apart each piece sells for like $50 but I am not going to do that.. I will end up breaking more stuff and not getting anything |
| 04:54.03 | Kyuss | !pastebin |
| 04:54.04 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 04:54.26 | nvz | Kage`: hey if its worth something to you, you could buy it.. got the box and everything.. he took good care of it |
| 04:54.49 | Kage` | nvz, I wanna try and fix it first ;p |
| 04:54.51 | Kage` | ;P^ |
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| 04:55.14 | Kyuss | Wow, I thought linux was supposed to be fast |
| 04:55.19 | Kyuss | wtf |
| 04:55.22 | Kage` | IT'S A LIE! |
| 04:55.25 | nvz | Kage`: yeah well I know if I slap it on ebay it will sell.. I dont want to try fix it because I dont want to break it.. so I dont exactly want you tearing it apart either.. |
| 04:55.30 | Kevin` | it IS fast.. heh |
| 04:55.40 | Kage` | nvz, oh, I won't |
| 04:55.46 | Kage` | But I have a few software methods of fixing it |
| 04:55.51 | nvz | Kage`: but who knows if you show up over here with some tools and half an idea I guess it wouldnt hurt to try |
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| 04:56.13 | nvz | Kage`: I tried the software methods I referenced online.. I couldnt get it into the disk mode for anything |
| 04:56.28 | Kyuss | my clicky thing doesn't work :( |
| 04:56.31 | nvz | Kage`: in that mode I should have been able to access the hd on linux |
| 04:56.33 | Kage` | nvz, My methods, you don't need a "disk mode" :P |
| 04:56.59 | Kevin` | Kage` stay here for a few hours, I might need you =p |
| 04:57.05 | nvz | Kage`: well I know nothing at all about an ipod.. I seen one before.. and I loaded songs on one for a friend.. thats about all I know |
| 04:57.06 | Kage` | Kevin`, ? |
| 04:57.16 | nvz | Kage`: I also know they are worth a lot of money. |
| 04:57.18 | Kevin` | I have a mac here I want to put linux on |
| 04:57.31 | Kage` | nvz, I've hacked one of my friend's iPods to death with him |
| 04:57.44 | pickcoder | nvz: the software updater from Apple should fix it, unless the drive is toast |
| 04:57.54 | Kage` | pickcoder, not true |
| 04:58.02 | Kyuss | Ok, stew : http://pastebin.ca/182572 |
| 04:58.11 | Kage` | Many times, the software updater cannot fix it if the firmware is already messed up |
| 04:58.29 | nvz | Kage`: yeah well we are neighbors.. I told you we'd have to get together and trade ideas.. I have a technilogical curiousity and a desire to make money.. I think we are the same kind of people :P |
| 04:58.48 | stew | Kyuss: what video card do you have? |
| 04:58.49 | Kage` | nvz, I have a desire to code to make money :P |
| 04:59.14 | Kage` | nvz, what road do you live on? |
| 04:59.14 | nvz | Kage`: Boyers |
| 04:59.21 | Kage` | Crap, which one is Boyers... |
| 04:59.25 | Kyuss | Intel Integrated 82... 82865G |
| 04:59.32 | nvz | Kage`: the one along the river at the bottom of university |
| 04:59.35 | Kage` | Uhh, connects Collins Ferry to Van Voorhis? |
| 04:59.51 | nvz | Kage`: its the road across from the Golden Corral and CVS |
| 04:59.57 | Kage` | OHH yes |
| 05:00.17 | Kage` | m, Golden Corral |
| 05:00.19 | Kage` | Mm^ |
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| 05:00.29 | Kage` | I'm so glad they put a Golden Corral here... |
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| 05:00.35 | Kage` | Oh, so good.. |
| 05:00.41 | nvz | Kage`: coding isnt a strong suit of mine.. I used to have a strong will to code when I was a kid but learning on various forms of BASIC and other useless languages got me baffled at modern programming for the most part |
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| 05:00.43 | ndee | anyone using php-json-ext on a debian stable installation? |
| 05:01.10 | Kage` | nvz, I'm basically a jack of all trades when it comes to computers :P |
| 05:01.13 | stew | Kyuss: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and choose i810 for the driver, and /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 05:01.16 | nvz | Kage`: I can code enough bash/python/perl to get by with minor tasks on my system |
| 05:01.18 | Kyuss | stew: here is the other one, http://pastebin.ca/182576 |
| 05:01.31 | Kage` | Coding, hardware, networking, protocols, asterisk/PBX, servers, etc. |
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| 05:02.11 | nvz | Kage`: but like I said we can work together I am all about networking with other people. you said you know construction people.. I do that too.. so we can work back and forth and run this town :P |
| 05:02.54 | Kage` | Indeed. We'll be the next Sellaro/Prete/rich-real-estate guys |
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| 05:03.19 | Kage` | Or the next "Forgot-the-names-of-the-guys-doing-the-construction-on-705" |
| 05:03.28 | nvz | Kage`: I dont limit myself to computers anymore... I learned construction over the past 3 years here in morgantown, and I am beginning to learn how to sell just about anything. |
| 05:03.34 | Kage` | Shit.. Agh, what's the company's name... >_< |
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| 05:03.42 | Kage` | Beafore |
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| 05:03.49 | Kage` | Or some spelling |
| 05:04.18 | nvz | Kage`: I also heard you mention philosophy.. you can feel free to lay some of that on me too :P |
| 05:04.28 | Kage` | nvz, I'm a Phil minor |
| 05:04.38 | Kage` | CS major / Philosophy minor |
| 05:04.52 | nvz | Kage`: I am interested in just about anything.. but a little philosophy never hurts |
| 05:04.54 | guir10 | hi.. i new using linux.. i did aptitude upgrade,, now themes are gone and menu also changed... is there anyway to get back that stuff? |
| 05:05.02 | Kage` | Sophomore year at WVU, and in the WVU drumline, too :P |
| 05:05.10 | malawar | is it possible to install debian from within another version of linux? (i'm running off a minimal livecd now that isn't debian). I can mount the install image from within the livecd environment.. |
| 05:05.11 | DaveLib | nvz, kage: where are you guys? |
| 05:05.21 | nvz | Kage`: yeah you are those bastards that I can hear all over town when you practive |
| 05:05.21 | Kage` | DaveLib, Morgantown, WV |
| 05:05.26 | pickcoder | Kage`: kewl. We went to the regionals there |
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| 05:05.31 | Kage` | nvz, we practice not even 1 mile from you |
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| 05:05.40 | Kage` | Just up the Boulevard |
| 05:05.41 | DaveLib | btw i am in ottawa canada |
| 05:05.45 | nvz | Kage`: you can hear it all over town.. I can hear it over in Granville |
| 05:05.51 | Kevin` | malawar many things are possible.. it would be best not to be usning the partition you are copying to though |
| 05:05.52 | Kage` | nvz, indeed |
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| 05:06.08 | malawar | it's an empty partition |
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| 05:06.18 | malawar | unformatted in fact |
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| 05:06.20 | Kage` | nvz, there's a reason the drumline's called "RFL" :P |
| 05:06.38 | kyuss | stew: That didn't work |
| 05:06.39 | malawar | I just dont' want to have to burn a CD to install it :P |
| 05:06.51 | guir10 | i new using linux.. i did aptitude upgrade,, now themes are gone and menu also changed... is there anyway to get back that stuff? anyone knows anything about it? |
| 05:06.53 | Kage` | pickcoder, regionals for what? |
| 05:06.58 | nvz | Kage`: what's that Really Fucking Loud? |
| 05:07.02 | Kevin` | malawar very possible them |
| 05:07.10 | Kage` | nvz, "Real", but yes |
| 05:07.12 | pickcoder | Kage`: what do you play? |
| 05:07.20 | stew | kyuss: are you sure about the horizontal sync rate you put in there, 30-70? |
| 05:07.22 | Kage` | pickcoder, Cymbals right now, but snare next year |
| 05:07.24 | pickcoder | marching band, back in the day |
| 05:07.28 | malawar | SO, if it's possible, how do I start the install process rolling? |
| 05:07.33 | nvz | guir10: you are going to have to stop repeating and be more specific |
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| 05:07.39 | Nibbier | what is the difference between sysklogd and syslogd, manpage is all the same |
| 05:07.48 | Kage` | pickcoder, what band? |
| 05:07.49 | nvz | guir10: there are hundreds of different programs which have themes and menus |
| 05:07.52 | Kevin` | malawar i'd read what the initrd does, i've never done it that way :) |
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| 05:07.55 | pickcoder | It was HS |
| 05:07.59 | kyuss | I used the simple method in the dpkg reconfigure |
| 05:08.01 | Kage` | From WV? |
| 05:08.09 | pickcoder | like in 1990 I think |
| 05:08.15 | pickcoder | no I'm in NC |
| 05:08.21 | Kage` | Ah |
| 05:08.37 | Kage` | We've not had any sort of regionals here so far as I can remember |
| 05:08.39 | guir10 | nvz: im new using linux... i did "aptitude upgrade".. now GNOME themes are gone.. also menu changed.. |
| 05:08.54 | Kage` | aptitude upgrade, hehehehehe |
| 05:08.57 | nvz | guir10: you are using what branch of debian? |
| 05:09.04 | pickcoder | I think that year had a couple of DCI appearances |
| 05:09.15 | nvz | guir10: and did you upgrade from one branch to the next recently? |
| 05:09.28 | Kage` | pickcoder, I'm gonna try out for a DCI line this november |
| 05:09.31 | pickcoder | I got scouted in 92 for CrossMen, but wasn't interested |
| 05:10.01 | pickcoder | Kage`: go for it. It's a once-in-a-life deal |
| 05:10.05 | Kage` | Cadets have always been where my heart lies, but I may do Crossmen or Scouts |
| 05:10.06 | pickcoder | I wish I had done it. :/ |
| 05:10.26 | guir10 | nvz: i installed this: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 05:10.26 | Kage` | I'd do SCV, but it's too far, and they're assholes anymore |
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| 05:10.39 | pickcoder | yeah... they're stuck up big time |
| 05:10.42 | nvz | Kage`: I am into music a bit too.. got a portable grand over here and a geeter.. you bring those drums and we are set :P |
| 05:10.44 | kyuss | stew: quite certain now. |
| 05:10.50 | sebastienbailard | Can anyone recommend a good vps host? I've got a vps that's going wonky, and my host, vpslink (owned by spry) times out when I point my browser at it. |
| 05:10.56 | guir10 | nvz: i just installed, set a theme, and did aptitude upgrade.. now everything messed up |
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| 05:11.39 | nvz | guir10: thats shitty |
| 05:11.44 | Kevin` | sebastienbailard vps as in virtualization or normal http virtual server |
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| 05:11.49 | nvz | guir10: I am at a loss for what you may have done |
| 05:11.56 | nvz | guir10: you need to pay more attention |
| 05:12.13 | nvz | guir10: did it remove anything.. do you know anything at all details wise about what happened? |
| 05:12.14 | kyuss | stew: any other ideas? |
| 05:12.20 | stew | kyuss: you are certain of what? |
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| 05:12.27 | sebastienbailard | I want a slice of a server, to ssh into and to use as a webhost. |
| 05:12.41 | kyuss | You asked if the horizontal rate was set to 30-70, I checked it and it is. |
| 05:13.06 | stew | kyuss: i meant, is that really realistic for your monitor? |
| 05:13.17 | guir10 | nvz: i didnt remove anything.. it said it was going to install some kind of kernel update.. downloaded around 11mb and told me to restart as soon as i restarted, everything was messed up |
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| 05:13.20 | nvz | Kage`: I know chic that can carry a tune too.. or at least I think she's a decent singer :P |
| 05:13.24 | load0614 | hello |
| 05:13.44 | Kage` | :P |
| 05:13.56 | load0614 | is there a way to turn off write caching for a usb flash drive. Is hdparm -W0 sufficient? |
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| 05:14.28 | Kevin` | load0614 that probably isn't a good idea, as flash wears out based on write cycles |
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| 05:15.25 | load0614 | kevin`: I don't plan on doing much writing on the machine in question. |
| 05:15.25 | malawar | looks like debootstrap is what I want :P |
| 05:15.33 | kyuss | stew: you think it is the decade old monitor? |
| 05:15.34 | Kage` | Damn the 80s |
| 05:15.50 | Kevin` | http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/5/13/144 |
| 05:15.54 | Kevin` | "Under the right circumstances, even copying a single file to a flash |
| 05:15.55 | Kevin` | drive mounted with the "sync" option can destroy the entire drive!" |
| 05:15.57 | load0614 | I really just want to be able to pull the stick without having to worry about uncommitted cached data. |
| 05:16.16 | nvz | guir10: well I am going to have to stab in the dark I guess to get this issue moving in the right direction and say lets go with locating your menu and themes packages and make sure they are installed. the menu package is called "menu" and I am not sure what the metacity/gnome themes are called |
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| 05:16.54 | nvz | !info gnome-themes sarge |
| 05:16.57 | dpkg | gnome-themes: (official themes for the GNOME 2 desktop), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.2-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 552 kB, Installed size: 1566 kB |
| 05:17.10 | nvz | guir10: aptitude install menu gnome-themes |
| 05:17.14 | kyuss | Stew? |
| 05:17.47 | guir10 | nvz: ok.. ty :) does it install icons too? |
| 05:18.03 | nvz | guir10: I have no idea. I would assume thats all in there |
| 05:18.30 | pickcoder | kyuss: how old is the monitor? |
| 05:18.39 | Kevin` | load0614 if I were you I would avoid instant writes as much as I could on flash storage.. it's worth the minimal work of unmounting properly |
| 05:18.43 | pickcoder | kyuss: er what make/model |
| 05:19.07 | load0614 | kevin: ok, thanks for the advice. |
| 05:19.14 | kyuss | kds 17 inch multiscan color monitor |
| 05:19.15 | evilgeek | just avoid nerdsticks in general. |
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| 05:19.28 | Kevin` | microdrive ftw |
| 05:19.30 | nvz | evilgeek: nerdsticks? |
| 05:19.34 | nvz | heh |
| 05:19.39 | stew | kyuss: can i see the log when using i810? |
| 05:19.50 | stew | kyuss: have you edited the XF86Config-4 file by hand at all? |
| 05:19.52 | era86 | hey... does anyone know if nm-applet works in debian? |
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| 05:19.54 | evilgeek | nvz: the little USB flash drives that decide to stop working if you mount them with the 'sync' option too often. |
| 05:19.54 | kyuss | I have a compaq FS7600 that I can swap for it if you want me to try that real quick |
| 05:20.00 | pickcoder | kyuss: what's the issue? |
| 05:20.11 | kyuss | I looked at it, I didn't know how to use VIM then, so I didn't save any changes |
| 05:20.23 | kyuss | can't get out of 640x480 resolution |
| 05:20.35 | nvz | evilgeek: I never have problems with mine.. but these little Memorex Mp3/wma players from target give me greif |
| 05:20.49 | pickcoder | kyuss: CTRL-+ from the number pad doesn't switch res? |
| 05:21.01 | nvz | evilgeek: I think its the damn USB cable or connection though.. they just wont freakin mount and sometimes even give hell unmounting |
| 05:21.07 | kyuss | Nope, it surely doesn't |
| 05:21.37 | nvz | thats Ctrl+Alt |
| 05:21.42 | nvz | ctrl alone wont do it |
| 05:21.47 | stew | it wouldn't switch modes anyway |
| 05:21.52 | kyuss | that doesn't do anything either |
| 05:22.17 | nvz | you have to have more than one resolution configured |
| 05:22.35 | sebastienbailard | I'll try to sort it out later. Different question: |
| 05:22.40 | sebastienbailard | I've a bit of a stupid subdomain question: I'm setting up a server I want to be "foo.example.com", my buddy owns and runs "example.com" on his server. Does he have to do this through his domain name registrar, or can he do this by editting files on his machine? |
| 05:22.46 | nvz | and just setting it in the config doesnt count.. it has to be able to calculate a usable display mode from all the info you provide for that resolution for it to work |
| 05:22.59 | kyuss | configured in dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
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| 05:23.03 | Kevin` | sebastienbailard it depends where the zone files are at |
| 05:23.09 | pickcoder | nvz: right.. sorry |
| 05:23.15 | kyuss | Or else where |
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| 05:24.00 | pickcoder | kyuss: there's an asterisk in the 800x600 line? |
| 05:24.25 | sebastienbailard | Kevin: thanks. |
| 05:24.44 | kyuss | of the /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? |
| 05:24.52 | Kevin` | sebastienbailard even if it is hosted at the registrar (common option for people who don't want to run a dns server), it's just a few clicks in a web interface most likely |
| 05:25.00 | stew | kyuss: can you post the log from when you tried the i810 driver? |
| 05:25.11 | pickcoder | no.. if the ncurses menu for xfree's configue |
| 05:25.14 | pickcoder | s/if/in |
| 05:25.21 | kyuss | !pastebin |
| 05:25.22 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 05:25.28 | kyuss | certainly |
| 05:26.09 | sebastienbailard | Kevin: hmmm... I'd tell him to do it now, but my site is down, and I can't fix it until my host's trouble ticket system comes back online. |
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| 05:26.56 | kyuss | stew: http://pastebin.ca/182586 |
| 05:27.11 | Kevin` | sebastienbailard he could even delegate control of whatever.example.com to one of your nameservers, but this is probably more then you need :) |
| 05:27.30 | itchi | fuck, have see googl.be :-/ |
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| 05:27.45 | itchi | damn justice of my ... |
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| 05:28.00 | Kevin` | why can't you? |
| 05:28.01 | kyuss | why does dpkg keep /msg ing me telling me about por... pr0n |
| 05:28.06 | sebastienbailard | Kevin`: I'd put off learning this stuff for a long time - never needed it. It looks like it's time to study. |
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| 05:28.37 | kyuss | I can't enjoy it until I get a higher resolution, why must it taunt me >.< |
| 05:29.31 | Kevin` | sebastienbailard if you want something to play with I could give you a subdomain of mine |
| 05:29.33 | kyuss | smoke break :P |
| 05:29.40 | sebastienbailard | Kevin': Ah. Host is up. I'm going to go ask why 'less' and 'ls' hang on certain files and directories. |
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| 05:30.13 | Kevin` | going to ask here? |
| 05:30.17 | sebastienbailard | Kevin`: That's a mighty kind offer, but I think I've got enought tools here. |
| 05:30.39 | Kevin` | heh it's just an entry in a text file as far as i'm concerned :) |
| 05:30.39 | sebastienbailard | I'll ask my host. It's their machine -> their responsibility. |
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| 05:31.05 | Kevin` | sebastienbailard my first thought would be filesystem/hard drive damage |
| 05:31.17 | sebastienbailard | Signing off for now. Need to go tinker. |
| 05:31.22 | sebastienbailard | Thanks again. |
| 05:33.01 | stew | kyuss: i would suggest trying to edit XF86Config-4 by hand and commenting out the amount of video ram, the hsync and the vsync. then restarting, if you edit that file by hand, you should read the comment at the top and/or /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 05:34.07 | tengulre11 | what's errors? hda: st380811as,ata disk drive hda:lost interrupt mounting root file system hdb: irq probe failed (0xfffffef8) |
| 05:34.17 | pickcoder | stew: it looks like it's defaulting to 1024x768 but it's failing b/c that mode isn't setup |
| 05:34.51 | Kage` | Ugh, wtf is with my server's BNC... |
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| 05:34.57 | Kage` | -_- |
| 05:35.36 | kyuss | how do I comment? |
| 05:35.46 | pickcoder | it's tiling 640 |
| 05:35.47 | kyuss | ... /* ? |
| 05:36.13 | stew | kyuss: # |
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| 05:37.42 | kyuss | "XF86Config-4" E212: Can't open file for writing |
| 05:37.53 | stew | kyuss: only root can edit it |
| 05:38.11 | kyuss | if I switch to another desktop, su on that, will that only effect that desktop? |
| 05:38.58 | stew | kyuss: su only affects the shell you run it from |
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| 05:39.13 | kyuss | So.... that is a yes? |
| 05:39.30 | stew | it won't affect your desktop |
| 05:39.36 | kyuss | ok |
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| 05:39.51 | kyuss | just the videoram, hsync, and vsync? |
| 05:40.30 | stew | yes |
| 05:41.04 | kyuss | Ok, then ctrl+alt+backspace after I save it? |
| 05:42.22 | kyuss | ...? |
| 05:42.27 | kyuss | Nolo contendre? |
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| 05:43.23 | kyuss | Annnnd, still in 640x480 |
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| 05:43.41 | kyuss | no new options in screen resolution |
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| 05:44.56 | bonez41 | dpkg SATA |
| 05:44.56 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SCSI_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
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| 05:45.23 | kyuss | !http://pastebin.ca/182592 <-- new pastebin after doing what you told me stew |
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| 05:48.45 | stew | kyuss: "modprobe mousedev" and try again |
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| 05:50.59 | kyuss | any args on that modprobe? |
| 05:51.59 | kyuss | did -vc |
| 05:52.33 | kyuss | restarting x |
| 05:53.08 | DaveLib | nvz: been looking at web pages etc about virtualization after what you said earlier |
| 05:53.38 | nvz | DaveLib: ok, note I didnt say anything about virtulization |
| 05:53.43 | DaveLib | you mentioned qemu i was just reading that is fast and easy to use and safe and doesnt require kernel patctes also it is in stable |
| 05:54.01 | DaveLib | ah ok whatever virtual machines or whatever |
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| 05:54.20 | DaveLib | to do an etch parallel to my sarge |
| 05:54.56 | nvz | that was itchi who mentioned qemy |
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| 05:55.20 | nvz | I am not inclined to care how you run etch as long as you are running it |
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| 05:56.10 | DaveLib | ahh yes i just looked back and saw that re itchi |
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| 05:56.35 | kyuss | http://pastebin.ca/182598 stew |
| 05:56.55 | DaveLib | so qemu sounds like it could be safer for me than a full switch to etch |
| 05:57.05 | kyuss | Stew, you mentioned the monitor earlier. If you really think it has something to do with the monitor, I can switch it out for a brandy spanking new one |
| 05:57.38 | EdLin | DaveLib: definitely than sid :-) apt is broken under sid right now. Nasty |
| 05:57.51 | liable | EdLin: it is? |
| 05:58.02 | liable | DaveLib: why not have a sid partition? |
| 05:58.04 | EdLin | liable: yes |
| 05:58.20 | liable | EdLin: whats b0rked? |
| 05:58.27 | kyuss | caffine free coke |
| 05:58.28 | stew | kyuss: no, i don't think your monitor is a problem, i thought the sync ranges that were specified for your monitor were not accurate. I was hoping that by removing these it might auto-detect them, but it hasn't. |
| 05:58.36 | pickcoder | kyuss: can you post your Display section? |
| 05:58.45 | kyuss | Of? |
| 05:58.45 | EdLin | liable: it won't parse sources.list |
| 05:58.47 | itchi | Crap of Belguim's justice, read www.google.be |
| 05:58.53 | kyuss | the log, the config file |
| 05:59.01 | pickcoder | kyuss: config |
| 05:59.13 | DaveLib | liable: well maybe the reason i thought of an etch partition was i wanted to try fvwm-crystal in etch and it seemed too hard to bring it into sarge |
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| 05:59.15 | EdLin | liable: I'm lucky I paid attention to apt-listbugs |
| 05:59.16 | liable | EdLin: hrm, aptitude works fine here :) |
| 05:59.43 | pickcoder | does that chipset really allocate 32MB? |
| 05:59.44 | liable | EdLin: ooh, that reminds me.. new re-install and i forgot to install that.. |
| 05:59.47 | amc | i can't play midi files :/ i installed xmms-midi but it still won't play them.. kmid, playmidi, too |
| 05:59.51 | EdLin | liable: bugs.debian.org/388708 |
| 05:59.52 | amc | can anyone help me :/ |
| 06:00.11 | craigevil | amc instal timidity |
| 06:00.17 | kyuss | any other section, or just the display section? |
| 06:00.20 | liable | EdLin: i cant even remember apt being upgraded in the last week.. |
| 06:00.48 | EdLin | liable: my apt-get upgrade list includes it |
| 06:01.09 | EdLin | liable: I'm too scared to let it upgrade until this bug is fixed |
| 06:01.19 | liable | EdLin: hrm, upgrading right now, and all is well, with no apt to be upgraded |
| 06:01.27 | kyuss | pickcoder: http://pastebin.ca/182601 |
| 06:01.29 | malawar | is grub-install supposed to take a long time? |
| 06:01.38 | pickcoder | kyuss: how much system RAM do you have |
| 06:01.40 | EdLin | liable: what server are you upgrading from? |
| 06:01.44 | kyuss | caffine free coke... how can something that tastes so right be so wrong |
| 06:01.46 | kyuss | 512 |
| 06:01.49 | liable | malawar: it can sometimes hang with checking bios blah |
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| 06:01.56 | kyuss | mb, not kb or gb |
| 06:02.09 | itchi | DaveLib: You need to make use of qemu. Very helpfull. Just that you need to add kqemu. The acceleration part, without it, it's very slow |
| 06:02.10 | malawar | it did that the first time i ran it, before i fixed mtab |
| 06:02.17 | malawar | now it just takes awhile without saying it's checking bios :( |
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| 06:02.34 | kyuss | 64m shared off onto the integrated video |
| 06:02.48 | pickcoder | then it should allocate a max of 96MB to VideoRAM |
| 06:03.13 | kyuss | sys specs said 64m max for Vram |
| 06:04.13 | liable | malawar: the couple of times that i have had it hang doing that, if i waited it would work, but i never got around to finding out why it did it.. |
| 06:04.21 | kyuss | not sure if this compy has an agp apeture, I just found a 12m agp card |
| 06:04.31 | itchi | DaveLib: The acceleration part is not provided, you need to download it, and install it to. To sumarize, you need to get the source of qemu; apt-get source qemu and add the acceleration part and compile the stuff. It's not complicated to do if you follow the docs of the site |
| 06:04.57 | liable | EdLin: hrm, no utf on this, which reminds me of another thing i need to install :) |
| 06:05.10 | kyuss | pickcoder: how much was it allocating to videoram? |
| 06:05.11 | EdLin | liable: utf? |
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| 06:05.33 | malawar | oh, i bet i know why.. |
| 06:05.51 | liable | EdLin: i havent set this box up for utf-8 |
| 06:06.06 | DaveLib | itchi: oops i was just in another window installing the regular binary qemu then came back here and saw your messages |
| 06:06.08 | EdLin | liable: that could have something to do with it |
| 06:06.38 | liable | EdLin: we'll see, reconfiguring locales |
| 06:06.54 | itchi | DaveLib: No problem, experiment in an slower way, you can later remove the qemu |
| 06:06.56 | kyuss | 65536kb Pickcoder, right? |
| 06:06.58 | DaveLib | well maybe i will try this qemu 1st and then later redo it with acclereration |
| 06:07.12 | EdLin | liable: if you can narrow it down to character sets, you might be able to add to the bts report |
| 06:07.20 | liable | EdLin: was already set to utf anway.. the new installer must do that i guess. |
| 06:07.39 | itchi | DaveLib: Qemu will help you a lot ;-) |
| 06:07.42 | enouf | amc ; got midi modules loaded? |
| 06:07.44 | EdLin | liable: what version is your apt? |
| 06:07.58 | liable | EdLin: 0.6.46 |
| 06:07.59 | pickcoder | kyuss: the 32MB that's listed should be plenty for 800x600 |
| 06:08.10 | DaveLib | itchi: i just called up the qemu man page |
| 06:08.16 | EdLin | liable: hmm, that's the one with the problems. I guess you're lucky. :-) |
| 06:08.17 | pickcoder | kyuss: what's listed in modes? |
| 06:08.21 | pickcoder | modes section |
| 06:08.26 | liable | EdLin: thats nice for a change :) |
| 06:08.32 | pickcoder | if there is one |
| 06:08.45 | Xormic | No |
| 06:08.47 | DaveLib | itchi: i am presently running sarge in a partition in a hard drive with lots of free space |
| 06:08.52 | itchi | DaveLib: The first steps could be are a bit strange, but once you got it. You are gona love it, it's gona be are one of your most used tools :-p |
| 06:08.59 | DaveLib | i want to try out a parallel etch |
| 06:09.08 | kyuss | under desktop preferences : screen resolution or in the config file |
| 06:09.15 | pickcoder | kyuss: config file |
| 06:09.22 | DaveLib | so do i need to make a new partition and install etch there? |
| 06:09.38 | linuxmigration | have you stopped serving weekly testing torrents? |
| 06:09.45 | itchi | DaveLib: No problem, if you have many memory, start many virtual computers at the same time :-) Ideal for testing stuff. |
| 06:09.52 | malawar | meh, i had some stuff mounted over samba that i thought amy have been it, but it wasn't :P |
| 06:09.54 | tarzeau | pack: of course i use OPENSTEP |
| 06:10.08 | DaveLib | itchi: btw hows qemu vs xen vmware openvm & whatever ? |
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| 06:10.16 | kyuss | DRI section? Mode 0666 |
| 06:10.17 | tarzeau | pack: www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
| 06:10.18 | itchi | DaveLib: You need to make an new vitual hdd. It's just an file, no need to make an special partition |
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| 06:10.27 | DaveLib | ahh ok |
| 06:10.54 | DaveLib | and i will be "installing" etch to that virtual hdd ? |
| 06:11.14 | kyuss | pickcoder: "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 06:11.19 | itchi | DaveLib: Maybe my notes can help you?? http://dvm.zapto.org/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=95 |
| 06:11.27 | pickcoder | kyuss: no.. if there were specific modes listed, it would say "modes" as a different section from display |
| 06:11.32 | DaveLib | ahh thx itchi i will check that out! |
| 06:11.42 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:11.43 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:11.54 | kyuss | Modules? |
| 06:12.11 | pickcoder | kyuss: Section "Modes" |
| 06:12.16 | pickcoder | kyuss: there probably isn't one |
| 06:12.26 | kyuss | I didn't see one |
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| 06:12.28 | kyuss | http://pastebin.ca/182604 |
| 06:12.32 | kyuss | thats the complete file |
| 06:12.40 | amc | enouf: how i can do that? :) |
| 06:12.51 | kyuss | I like pastebin |
| 06:12.57 | kyuss | it makes me happy |
| 06:13.43 | itchi | DaveLib: Not forget the official website :-p Great info there ;-) |
| 06:14.09 | enouf | amc: sudo modprobe -l | grep midi -- but you may need your soundcard support as well |
| 06:14.10 | DaveLib | aok will check that too |
| 06:14.36 | linuxmigration | DaveLib: for performance with matching Dom0 and DomU architectures, xen is significantly better performance (from what i've read) |
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| 06:14.52 | amc | enouf, can i post the result on prv? |
| 06:14.54 | linuxmigration | ahh, too many performances in there ;) |
| 06:15.13 | amc | i think i have. there are some files but.. :/ |
| 06:15.29 | enouf | amc well yo can always paste results to pastebin ..look |
| 06:15.35 | enouf | !paster |
| 06:15.36 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 06:15.36 | tok1l | No ACPI support in kernel, or incorrect acpi_path ("/proc/acpi"). I just finished installing sarge 2.8.6-3-386 |
| 06:15.41 | amc | kk |
| 06:15.45 | enouf | amc: ^^^ |
| 06:15.51 | Xormic | Shoot for it again! |
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| 06:16.05 | tok1l | Why would 2.4 support acpi for my laptop but not 2.6? |
| 06:16.24 | amc | http://pastebin.ca/182606 |
| 06:16.42 | Xormic | tok1l, different modules compiled into the kernel? |
| 06:16.49 | Xormic | Is it stock or custom kernel? |
| 06:16.54 | tok1l | Xormic: Stock kernel |
| 06:16.57 | Xormic | hmm... |
| 06:16.58 | pickcoder | stew: I'm thinking it's a driver problem |
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| 06:17.08 | Xormic | Dunno then. |
| 06:17.19 | enouf | tok1l: try a -686 kernel |
| 06:17.26 | tok1l | enouf: OK |
| 06:17.32 | Xormic | I run a 2.6.15 kernel on my lappy, ACPI is happy as ever. |
| 06:17.34 | kyuss | pickcoder: is there not being a modes section a problem? |
| 06:17.43 | tengulre11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.46 | Xormic | SMP |
| 06:17.53 | Xormic | Symmetrical Multi-Processing |
| 06:17.57 | EdLin | tengulre11: symetric multiprocessing |
| 06:18.06 | EdLin | tengulre11: if you need to ask you shouldn't |
| 06:18.09 | Xormic | You don't need it usually |
| 06:18.09 | pickcoder | kyuss: no |
| 06:18.10 | Xormic | yeah |
| 06:18.26 | tok1l | thats if you have a duo-core cpu? |
| 06:18.31 | Xormic | uhh |
| 06:18.35 | Xormic | probably not. |
| 06:18.38 | EdLin | tok1l: yes, or two seperate CPUs |
| 06:18.40 | enouf | tok1l: before you do - can you pastebin the results of grep ACPI /boot/config-`uname -r` for us / me |
| 06:18.41 | stew | pickcoder: he's tried two different drivers |
| 06:18.43 | Xormic | really? |
| 06:18.45 | Xormic | huh. |
| 06:18.48 | pickcoder | stew: vesa? |
| 06:18.51 | stew | pickcoder: yes |
| 06:18.57 | Xormic | I thought the hardware would take care of that more or less. |
| 06:19.00 | tengulre11 | Xormic: if I have a only one processor, is it need? |
| 06:19.06 | pickcoder | it's either scan freq or memory |
| 06:19.11 | Xormic | Single core, then definately not. |
| 06:19.18 | Xormic | Dual-core, I'm not sure, ask someone else. |
| 06:19.19 | pickcoder | the 810 finds 32MB though |
| 06:19.28 | stew | pickcoder: its not memory, he has tried with the memory (correctly) commented out |
| 06:19.29 | pickcoder | yet it still defaults all the way down to 640 |
| 06:19.45 | kyuss | If I edit the screen profile in GConf editor and tell it resolution "640x480" "800x600" "1024x768" will that fix it? |
| 06:20.14 | Xormic | Wouldn't you list them in the reverse order? |
| 06:20.16 | tok1l | enouf: sure |
| 06:20.24 | enouf | tok1l: great |
| 06:20.43 | tok1l | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/index.php |
| 06:20.45 | kyuss | um... sure, but that is the right syntax for it? |
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| 06:21.42 | pickcoder | kyuss: change your default depth to 24 |
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| 06:21.46 | enouf | tok1l: you pasted the INdex page :-) |
| 06:21.55 | pickcoder | kyuss: in config.. unless you've already tried that |
| 06:22.08 | amc | i installed the 'freepats' package and it works now! thanks to all who tried to help me :D |
| 06:22.11 | tok1l | enouf: ok then i'm sorry i dont know what `uname-r` is |
| 06:22.17 | kyuss | haven't tried that one yet |
| 06:22.28 | enouf | tok1l: that's part of the command .. |
| 06:22.32 | tok1l | oh |
| 06:22.58 | EdLin | tok1l: also you need a space between uname and the -r flag |
| 06:23.16 | kyuss | done, restarting X now |
| 06:23.45 | tok1l | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/182622 |
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| 06:23.58 | enouf | tok1l: whole command in between brackets [grep ACPI /boot/config-`uname -r`] |
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| 06:24.06 | enouf | ok |
| 06:24.31 | kyuss | pickcoder: changed the refresh rate from 87hz to 61hz |
| 06:24.37 | enouf | tok1l: beauty - I just want to compare with my stock debian 2.6.16-2-686 -- . thanks |
| 06:25.10 | SerajewelKS | Get: 63 2006-09-24-1337.01.pdiff [31B] ... leet |
| 06:25.10 | tok1l | enouf: =( so nothing to change? |
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| 06:25.28 | enouf | tok1l: it appears all the support is there... what laptop is this? |
| 06:25.35 | tok1l | hp omnibook 500 |
| 06:25.37 | kyuss | pickcoder: that is all though |
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| 06:26.29 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: I especially appreciate that since I'm on dial-up |
| 06:26.30 | enouf | tok1l: not too familiar with lappys but some have certain options - but you said it works under 2.4.27 I guess -- but pastebin this output ' dmesg | grep ACPI ' |
| 06:26.49 | kyuss | trying something else now, brb |
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| 06:27.40 | tok1l | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/182626 |
| 06:27.43 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: i was referring to the number in the filename =) |
| 06:27.53 | enouf | tok1l: ok - looking |
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| 06:28.04 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: oh, heh. :-) |
| 06:28.40 | malawar | alright, i gave grub-install 20 minutes and it's still not doing anything :( |
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| 06:28.48 | enouf | tok1l: using Grub? |
| 06:28.53 | tok1l | enouf: yes |
| 06:29.03 | tok1l | do 'acpi=force' in kernel command line |
| 06:29.04 | tok1l | ? |
| 06:29.17 | enouf | tok1l: okie - add an acpi=force option to the Kernel line - hold I'll give you the ex |
| 06:29.18 | liable | tok1l: if stuff worked in 2.4 then you prolly were using apm |
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| 06:29.30 | malawar | ... |
| 06:29.36 | malawar | --no-floppy fixed it :( |
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| 06:29.47 | tok1l | liable: hmm ok. What do i do to gofrom acpi to arm? |
| 06:29.54 | kyuss | well that didn't work |
| 06:30.12 | liable | tok1l: hrm, just read your problem, you sure you were using acpi in 2.4? |
| 06:30.16 | kyuss | see... I had a higher resolution the first time I configured it using vesa |
| 06:30.20 | tok1l | liable: i dont know |
| 06:30.26 | andreasdk | Hi. Yesterday I DL'ed the netinst. and installed it but can someone please tell me how to install X and KDE? I can take it from there. |
| 06:30.34 | liable | tok1l: does lsmod show any acpi or apm modules? |
| 06:30.44 | tok1l | liable: i was using the gui portion in kde, which says (in 2,6) its acpi |
| 06:30.56 | tengulre11 | I complied SMP in kernel, if I have a only one proessor, is it need? help!! |
| 06:30.58 | tok1l | lsmod | grep acpi |
| 06:30.59 | tok1l | nothing |
| 06:31.04 | enouf | tok1l: note thte kernel line here http://pastebin.ca/182629 |
| 06:31.21 | liable | andreasdk: apt-get install kde x-window-system |
| 06:31.47 | tok1l | enouf: ok i'll do that brb |
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| 06:31.56 | siimo | so is firefox going to be called ice weasel in debian now? |
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| 06:32.13 | dondelelcaro | siimo: or something else not firefox, yes. |
| 06:32.20 | kyuss | well, my login page has normal sized text now |
| 06:32.26 | andreasdk | liable> Don't I have to change the sources.list before doing that? |
| 06:32.26 | kyuss | that is progress at least |
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| 06:32.45 | kyuss | pickcoder: I dunno, can you think of anything else I should try? |
| 06:32.48 | siimo | i like the name ice weasel .. i wanna have a go at making a nice icon for it :P if its chosen |
| 06:32.55 | DaveLib | itchi: your web site timed out but i have been reading on the official qemu site |
| 06:33.18 | liable | andreasdk: for what? what did you install and what do you want? |
| 06:33.26 | DaveLib | so i installed my current sarge from a netinstall cd i burned that i still have |
| 06:33.39 | liable | andreasdk: if you know enough to ask, then you should be able to find the info you nedd.. |
| 06:33.45 | liable | need |
| 06:33.49 | kyuss | how do I run nethack? |
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| 06:34.31 | liable | grrr, my radio strem keeps crapping out |
| 06:34.41 | andreasdk | liable> I simply installed the base system. No Desktop system or anything fancy. I simply want a light system with kde-core, firefox, a calender and OO. |
| 06:34.46 | kyuss | dee dee dee, nethack |
| 06:34.51 | pickcoder | kyuss: remove "640x480" from the modes |
| 06:34.52 | DaveLib | so i am wondering maybe the easiest is i use the qemu command to boot off that netinstall cd with virtual hdd that i created as you said and start a sarge netinstall into the virtual hdd |
| 06:34.57 | liable | andreasdk: so install it |
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| 06:35.08 | pickcoder | kyuss: if the x-server fails to restart, you'll have to add them back |
| 06:35.16 | enouf | liable: see anything weird about dmesg and ACPI here? http://pastebin.ca/182626 -- note that dmesg was pasted into the "descripition" area accidentally - the rest (text box ) is the result of grepping the kernel config file -- I'll be right back |
| 06:35.16 | DaveLib | then from there in the virtual sarge i can do a dist upgrade to etch |
| 06:35.17 | liable | andreasdk: you seem to have some basic knowledge, whats the problem? |
| 06:35.22 | kyuss | pickcoder: I've removed all of the modes currently. |
| 06:35.41 | pickcoder | kyuss: O_o |
| 06:35.46 | DaveLib | and then apt-get install what i want |
| 06:35.47 | pickcoder | kyuss: and it loaded? |
| 06:35.49 | kyuss | Yes |
| 06:36.16 | DaveLib | anyway that way i dont have to burn any more cd's or download to cd |
| 06:36.44 | andreasdk | Liable> Okay but when it asks what kind of a system I want shall I just choose Basic linux system or is there something to be gained by choosing Desktop system right there? I don't suppose I get anything updated that way. Isn't the sources.list in tha system relatively light and old? |
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| 06:38.11 | liable | andreasdk: firstly, yes, if you just want kde-core, just install base and install x and kde afterwards. secondly, the sources list is never old, it depends entirely one what installer you have, and what debian version you want |
| 06:38.15 | liable | !reference |
| 06:38.16 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 06:38.25 | DaveLib | acgtually i already have sarge sitting in this partition i wonder if i could also copy it to the virtual hdd and then dist-upgrade from there |
| 06:38.28 | liable | andreasdk: ^^^ have a read, its a very good doc for new users |
| 06:38.38 | pickcoder | kyuss: I dunno.. I gotta hit the sack.. it's 2:37am |
| 06:39.04 | kyuss | Thanks for the help |
| 06:39.07 | andreasdk | liable> Fair enough, but can you point me to a nice sources.list? |
| 06:39.11 | kyuss | Sleep well. |
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| 06:39.17 | pickcoder | if the vesa driver doesn't work, then something's really amuck |
| 06:39.19 | pilgrim | how do I check which ports are open ? |
| 06:39.37 | karsten | pilgrim: netstat -tplv |
| 06:40.11 | pickcoder | kyuss: thx.. good luck with Xorg |
| 06:40.26 | liable | andreasdk: please read that link that dpkg gave. you have neither said what installer you used, or what debian version you want. really, it should all become clear if you read that reference, and its not all that hard/boring to read :) |
| 06:40.33 | jes-o-mat | karsten: those are only tcp ports |
| 06:40.42 | karsten | jes-o-mat: Yes. |
| 06:41.07 | andreasdk | ahh... I see. thank you |
| 06:41.08 | karsten | pilgrim: Drop the 't' if you want to see udp as well |
| 06:41.18 | liable | -plunt for all or -pantu for servers i like |
| 06:42.02 | liable | hrm, sure, thanks liable |
| 06:42.09 | jes-o-mat | hrhr |
| 06:43.00 | sts | hello folks. |
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| 06:43.32 | en1gma | hi all |
| 06:43.33 | tok1l | enouf: nope =( |
| 06:43.53 | sid | !greet en1gma |
| 06:43.53 | dpkg | Wassup, en1gma |
| 06:43.56 | liable | tok1l: modprobe acpi |
| 06:43.57 | sts | I've got problems running scponly on debian/testing. i login using ssh, the auth works, but afterwards it closes the connection and doesn't provide me with any infos why... |
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| 06:44.05 | enouf | tok1l: paste output again of dmesg | grep ACPI |
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| 06:44.14 | en1gma | any of you been able to get bios raid working with a raid0 install of debian? i finally can see both my partitions (with kanotix live cd) |
| 06:44.18 | sinizzl | hello |
| 06:44.21 | en1gma | howdy |
| 06:44.23 | sinizzl | what is the debian amd64 channel ? |
| 06:44.26 | en1gma | what you all upto |
| 06:44.31 | sid | !tell sinizzl about amd64 |
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| 06:44.49 | liable | enouf: eh? bios raid? that sounds like fakeraid, and needs to done with mdadm |
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| 06:44.58 | Kartagis | hi |
| 06:44.59 | tok1l | WARNING: Error inserting processor (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/kernel/drivers/acpi/processor.ko): No such device |
| 06:45.00 | tok1l | FATAL: Error inserting acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 06:45.04 | en1gma | i already got dmraid working in kanotix |
| 06:45.12 | enouf | liable: crossed wires ? hehe |
| 06:45.18 | Kartagis | would apt-get install samba take so long? |
| 06:45.19 | en1gma | it mounts both my windows ntfs partition and a rieserfs too |
| 06:45.22 | liable | enouf: soory |
| 06:45.24 | sid | !tell en1gma about kanotix |
| 06:45.29 | sid | !tell en1gma about based on debian |
| 06:45.57 | en1gma | is that thing picking up on keywords i type or is someone telling me |
| 06:46.08 | liable | tok1l: erm, paste the dmesg relating to this. how old is this laptop? |
| 06:46.09 | sts | !tell sts about based on debian |
| 06:46.16 | tok1l | 1999 |
| 06:46.19 | enouf | liable: no prob - you're very busy I can see .. |
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| 06:46.23 | liable | tok1l: ok, modprobe apm |
| 06:46.26 | wols_ | !tell sts about msg |
| 06:46.32 | tok1l | nothing |
| 06:46.34 | enouf | tok1l: paste output again of dmesg | grep ACPI |
| 06:46.37 | en1gma | well bios-raid = fake-raid in internet terms |
| 06:46.38 | tok1l | liable: nothing on modprob |
| 06:46.42 | liable | tok1l: i very highly doubt your bios supports acpi |
| 06:46.44 | en1gma | so yea its fake raid |
| 06:46.59 | liable | tok1l: thats a good thing, no message = no error |
| 06:47.08 | tok1l | liable: yay |
| 06:47.10 | enouf | tok1l: that kernel line I showed you is from a 1999 mobo Desktop |
| 06:47.13 | en1gma | but im booted up into linux (live cd) and i have both partitions mounted....now what is a good way to install linux from there |
| 06:47.28 | tok1l | enouf: hmm |
| 06:48.03 | tok1l | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/182636 |
| 06:48.03 | enouf | liable: no modrobe here either for acpi -- I mean some modules wxist - but nothing is showing in my lsmod | grep ACPI output -- but I use acpi :-) |
| 06:48.12 | enouf | list* |
| 06:48.29 | enouf | tok1l: ok - looking |
| 06:49.05 | tok1l | liable: my bios doessupport it, it says so in the bios itself =) |
| 06:49.05 | enouf | tok1l: hehehe your Kerenl line is BACKWARDs = heheh |
| 06:49.09 | tok1l | tokil: what should it be? |
| 06:49.13 | enouf | it's acpi=force not inverse |
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| 06:49.16 | tok1l | lol |
| 06:49.19 | tok1l | ok rebooting |
| 06:49.22 | tok1l | lo <--dumb |
| 06:49.25 | enouf | force=acpi is wrong ... |
| 06:49.27 | enouf | hehehe |
| 06:50.03 | Talisker[w] | Is there something I have to do for symlinks for them to stick? |
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| 06:50.38 | Talisker[w] | I mean, RoR searches for the socket on the wrong place, so I create a symlink from the place RoR searches to the actual location |
| 06:50.46 | Talisker[w] | and for some reason I have to create it every time I reboot |
| 06:51.24 | wols_ | no a symlink stays until deleted |
| 06:51.30 | wols_ | it's a file after all |
| 06:51.38 | Talisker[w] | I know, that's very peculiar |
| 06:51.55 | wols_ | programs sometimes remove "wrong" symlinks on startup |
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| 06:53.48 | tok1l | enouf: nope same issue |
| 06:53.54 | en1gma | well did anybody do this b4 or know what im wanting |
| 06:53.59 | tok1l | when i do 'acpi' the first part says 'no acpi support in kernel' |
| 06:54.02 | Talisker[w] | does the symlink disappear once it's target is gone? |
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| 06:54.55 | tok1l | .whois tok1l |
| 06:54.55 | enouf | tok1l: hmm .. but it says you can enable it by using that kernel parameter option -- you may just need a 686 kernel after all - hmm |
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| 06:56.14 | enouf | tok1l: can we see your kernel line again (dmesg | grep ACPI) |
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| 06:57.16 | Coweater | is there any way to search the symlinks a package creates? (similar to apt-file's searching of filenames) |
| 06:57.22 | enouf | tok1l: modprobe processor |
| 06:57.24 | g_o_o_d_day | Hello friends.. does initrd depends on hardware. Forexample if i hve cross compiled kernel on one machine and created initrd using "mkinitrd command" on the same. Now i am using that kernel and initrdimage on another machine. but it gives me error while booting.. i am doubt at initrd image. |
| 06:58.17 | liable | g_o_o_d_day: you should be able to add the neccesarry modules to mkinitrd.conf and remake it |
| 06:58.27 | enouf | tokil: yo yo ma ? boutros boutros gali ? |
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| 06:59.23 | enouf | tokil: sorry -- I meant ...fuck he signed off |
| 06:59.33 | tok1l | enouf: back |
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| 06:59.53 | enouf | tokil: yo yo ma ? boutros boutros gali ? |
| 06:59.56 | enouf | tok1l: modprobe processor |
| 07:00.02 | Kartagis | hi |
| 07:00.04 | enouf | tokil: sorry again |
| 07:00.17 | tok1l | tokil: =) for what? you fixed it |
| 07:00.21 | enouf | kicks himself |
| 07:00.25 | tok1l | enouf: ^^ |
| 07:00.28 | Kartagis | would apt-get install samba take like 71 minutes? |
| 07:00.32 | tok1l | enouf: that worked |
| 07:00.43 | enouf | wrong name - b/c you signed off and rab completion nonsense |
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| 07:01.33 | liable | Kartagis: yes, if the packets were transported your server to you by two african swallows encased in coconuts |
| 07:01.43 | enouf | tab* |
| 07:01.43 | enouf | tok1l: what worked? modprobe processor? |
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| 07:02.58 | Seriii | hi |
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| 07:03.47 | enouf | hehe @ liable |
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| 07:03.57 | Guerin | liable: no! |
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| 07:04.05 | Guerin | liable: don't you know it's a network of tubes? |
| 07:04.29 | Guerin | the swallows-in-coconuts transport method isn't supported any more |
| 07:04.40 | liable | Guerin: and dumptrucks! |
| 07:04.55 | Guerin | liable: dumptrucks carry the tubes, I think |
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| 07:05.16 | liable | ah! /me considers himself admonished |
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| 07:05.56 | enouf | filled with many boobs - clogging the tubes |
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| 07:07.25 | Guerin | enouf: that's only the porn internets - the other internets don't have those |
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| 07:10.43 | enouf | Guerin: right .. but I meant as in boob tube == TV .. perhaps I can/should spell that differently .. not sure |
| 07:10.43 | enouf | hmmm .. buub <-- nope ..um boooob? <-- maybe? |
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| 07:11.48 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:11.48 | dpkg | qotd99 is probably <t-jack> I have a 17-inch dysfunctional $Piece_Of_Hardware... |
| 07:12.02 | Guerin | B00B |
| 07:12.08 | wols_ | why the americn TV is considered a boob tube baffles me: it's definitely the one place you can't see boobs easily. The superbowl incident notwithstanding |
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| 07:12.57 | liable | cause its full of boobs? (the non-female sort?) |
| 07:13.05 | liable | !dict boob |
| 07:13.08 | dpkg | Dictionary 'boob' (3): either of two soft fleshy milk-secreting glandular organs on the chest of a woman ;; an ignorant or foolish person ;; commit a faux pas or a fault or make a serious mistake; "I blundered during the job interview" . |
| 07:13.22 | enouf | mwahahaha .. wha happenmhappen |
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| 07:13.54 | enouf | ahhhh .. BOOB! |
| 07:14.02 | enouf | 00 |
| 07:14.07 | enouf | + |
| 07:14.51 | enouf | dpkg I never knew you had a dict function .. thanks sweety |
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| 07:15.06 | liable | not that amerikan tv would have ignorant or foolish people on it... |
| 07:15.21 | liable | just the people that own the networks |
| 07:15.31 | enouf | liable: not a chance |
| 07:15.35 | wols_ | liable: no. you just make a serious mistake anytime you turn it on |
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| 07:16.06 | wols_ | liable: be happy. at least he's not pestering the air in .au anymore |
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| 07:16.19 | tok1l | enouf: sigh |
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| 07:16.23 | wols_ | with the amount of idiots like him in the US, he blends right in |
| 07:16.25 | liable | wols_: he *owns* both the air, and the government :( |
| 07:16.37 | wols_ | in. .au too? or only .us? |
| 07:16.43 | liable | news.com |
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| 07:17.01 | enouf | tok1l: you broke the interent tubes! |
| 07:17.09 | enouf | internet even |
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| 07:17.36 | liable | wols_: if you ever feel so inclined, read john pigers 'hidden agandas' |
| 07:17.40 | enouf | tok1l: what worked ? if anything |
| 07:17.41 | liable | pilger |
| 07:17.54 | liable | agenda |
| 07:17.59 | liable | on a roll! |
| 07:17.59 | enouf | pilager? |
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| 07:18.05 | tok1l | enouf: my solution" load in 2.4 and boot into it when i need to know battery status |
| 07:18.06 | wols_ | tc made me lazy. I rather watch things like outfoxed :) |
| 07:18.17 | tok1l | in 2.6 with acpi=force kde just keeps crashing |
| 07:18.17 | enouf | tok1l: what the f? |
| 07:18.33 | enouf | tok1l: did you modprobe processor? |
| 07:18.43 | g_o_o_d_day | liable : which parameter i need to change in mkinitrd.conf so that i can create initrdimage for another machine please |
| 07:18.49 | tok1l | yeah nothing came up |
| 07:18.57 | tok1l | what do you want to knwo about the processor? |
| 07:19.04 | tok1l | 700mhz pentium 3 coppermine |
| 07:19.15 | liable | g_o_o_d_day: i dont use initrd's, but check man mkinitrd.conf |
| 07:19.41 | enouf | tok1l: output pastebin of this --> sudo modprobe | grep apci |
| 07:19.51 | enouf | acpi* whoops |
| 07:20.07 | tok1l | enouf: i came back on to be courtesou to say thanks and i'm going to bed |
| 07:20.12 | tok1l | maybe another day we can continue |
| 07:20.13 | linuxmigration | have you stopped serving weekly testing torrents? (this is third time i asked in 150 mins) |
| 07:20.31 | enouf | tok1l: ok - your welcome - no worries .. goodnight |
| 07:20.41 | tok1l | nigh |
| 07:20.41 | tok1l | t |
| 07:20.59 | enouf | see - O told ya he broke the interenets |
| 07:21.11 | enouf | man I can't typre for shit |
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| 07:21.23 | enouf | and no I'm not drunk either :-o |
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| 07:21.32 | enouf | anymore anyway |
| 07:21.40 | g_o_o_d_day | liable : can you through some light on other option for mkintrd. please ? |
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| 07:23.41 | anapivirtua | Pom Pom Pom² |
| 07:23.43 | Worf | test... can i talk now here? |
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| 07:23.58 | tengulre | which linux or kernel can support 64bit processor? |
| 07:24.21 | streuner | !tell Worf about ask |
| 07:24.23 | enouf | liable: just to follow up .. I do indeed have a module 'processor' loaded - lsmod | grep processor shows this : processor 21696 1 thermal |
| 07:24.27 | liable | g_o_o_d_day: the only thing i can do, is say stuff that the man page describes, which you are perfectly capable of doing yourself :) |
| 07:24.36 | Worf | streuner: ah, finally no error message... |
| 07:24.39 | wols_ | streuner: he was root before when coming in |
| 07:24.44 | Worf | oh |
| 07:24.53 | enouf | Worf: you can speak! |
| 07:24.56 | streuner | wols: ah, thanks. |
| 07:25.02 | wols_ | !tell tengulre about amd64 |
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| 07:25.11 | Worf | ah, so here is a auto-mute on root.. :) |
| 07:25.13 | tengulre | ? |
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| 07:25.37 | wols_ | tengulre: but unless you REALLY need x86-64,e.g. cause you have >4GB RAM: don't install it |
| 07:25.45 | enouf | Worf: I actually was going to suggest that - but I usually can tell via looking at the Signon - but didn't see that info |
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| 07:26.14 | enouf | Worf: there was a massive boot and rejoin just a few ,minutes ago - so I attrributed it tio that |
| 07:26.39 | enouf | still ca not type for crap |
| 07:28.13 | tengulre | wols_: but I don't found anything about 64bit in kernel-2.6.16.6? |
| 07:28.22 | Worf | well, finally to my problem... i'm in my fresh new debian sid i just installed via debootstrap... and i'm stuck installing xorg right now... i get a message over and over again: "A null entry is not permitted for this value." this is from xserver-xorg post install ... any tips? i could kill the process and purge it again, but what's causing the error i couldn't yet find out... |
| 07:28.47 | wols_ | tengulre: 64bit version of debian is a completely different platform (it is on any distro) |
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| 07:29.15 | wols_ | you need to install it. No other way to run in 64bit. but as I said: don't. not worth it |
| 07:29.43 | wols_ | Worf: broken config script. you're not the only one. checked BTS? |
| 07:29.52 | wols_ | wait a few days try again. or use a different X |
| 07:30.04 | Worf | oh |
| 07:31.00 | Viaccess | Hello, I have a problem connecting to the internet, network-admin tool couldn't manage to find an IP thru dhcp, my connection is pppoe, it searches for 2 mins then it says that make sure you have correct settings or your cable is connected any ideas please? |
| 07:31.34 | wols_ | Worf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=388568 |
| 07:32.02 | wols_ | Viaccess: you use pppoe not dhcp. |
| 07:32.05 | wols_ | use pppoeconf |
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| 07:32.49 | Viaccess | wols_ I did, but first I have to configure my networkcard to use dhcp right? then use the pppoeconf |
| 07:33.08 | wols_ | 09:32 < wols_> Viaccess: you use pppoe not dhcp. |
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| 07:33.41 | Kevin` | ppp has its own in@protocol mehtod for ip assignment |
| 07:33.45 | Viaccess | wols_ bottom line you mean I have to discard any settings of the NIC in the network-tool and go for pppoeconf? |
| 07:33.55 | Kevin` | s/@/-/ |
| 07:33.59 | wols_ | didn't I already say that? |
| 07:34.31 | Viaccess | wols_ well, I thought its like xp you get the dhcp for the network then you configure your pppoe. Thanx |
| 07:34.35 | row | Would people use suPHP or fastcgi+suexec for helping secure there php (version 5) installs? |
| 07:34.50 | cydork | !pppoe |
| 07:34.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, pppoe is ppp over ethernet, apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPOE support in 2.4 kernels enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support |
| 07:34.53 | wols_ | Viaccess: you are mistaken. XP doesn't do anything of the sort |
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| 07:35.24 | Viaccess | ok thanx. |
| 07:35.29 | Viaccess | going to try it. |
| 07:36.04 | Kevin` | I hate having to keep a ppp connection up myself, heh |
| 07:36.12 | Kevin` | well, hated |
| 07:37.03 | wols_ | yes it is teh suck, but a cronjob restarting pppd if it exists helps |
| 07:37.29 | wols_ | and pppd has been fixed so it doesn't do it as often anymore |
| 07:37.29 | pilgrim | if a package is provided in the repos (apt) what does that indicate about the package? |
| 07:37.43 | cydork | pilgrim: huh? |
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| 07:37.55 | pilgrim | and what's the difference between a package in repos and on that's not in them. |
| 07:37.58 | wols_ | pilgrim: it strongly indicates it is in debian |
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| 07:38.06 | pilgrim | wols_, which means what? |
| 07:38.08 | wols_ | pilgrim: the difference is: it's not there |
| 07:38.11 | wols_ | !confuse pilgrim |
| 07:38.11 | dpkg | Yes, where is my badger today, pilgrim? breeches of the dictatorship of micronesia with extra crabpaste |
| 07:38.22 | pilgrim | wols_, lol |
| 07:38.32 | Worf | wols_: thanks... reading that in links now... :) |
| 07:38.47 | cydork | pilgrim: it means it has been packaged for debian, and it follows dfsg. |
| 07:38.49 | pilgrim | wols_, ok, here's the thing. I'm just trying to get a sense of the repos. Should packages in the repos be trusted to be secure |
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| 07:38.56 | pilgrim | are patches applie to them . |
| 07:38.57 | pilgrim | what? |
| 07:39.09 | wols_ | pilgrim: depends on the debian branch |
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| 07:39.19 | wols_ | stable has security.debian.org. others are more murky |
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| 07:40.04 | wols_ | they are supposed to be trsted as "free of mailware". but as any software it can have and will have secruity holes over time. which is why there is secruity debian.org for stable |
| 07:40.15 | pilgrim | wols_, meaning that patches to packages in stable branch are applied? |
| 07:40.36 | pilgrim | wols_, ok. |
| 07:41.04 | wols_ | pilgrim: patched versions are in security.debian.org. NOT the original sarge repos |
| 07:41.27 | pilgrim | wols_, ah! how would one install those with apt? |
| 07:41.56 | Guerin | pilgrim: /msg dpkg security |
| 07:41.56 | sep | !security |
| 07:41.57 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 07:42.15 | Guerin | or you can let the #debian ninjas do it for you |
| 07:42.44 | pilgrim | Guerin, awesome. Is that the "apt-ninja" command? |
| 07:43.09 | fluvvell | anyone know what it is that creates a theora video stream? |
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| 07:43.17 | Guerin | apt has super cow powers, not super ninja powers |
| 07:43.30 | Guerin | fluvvell: a theora encoder |
| 07:43.37 | pilgrim | Guerin, seen that Kung-Pow movie? Like that huh? |
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| 07:43.54 | Guerin | pilgrim: the only kung pow i know is the chicken |
| 07:43.57 | NuBus | cow powers -> http://www.danamania.com/temp/moo.jpg |
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| 07:44.01 | cydork | !moo |
| 07:44.01 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 07:44.14 | Guerin | and pat doesn't have super chicken powers, much less kung pao chicken powers |
| 07:44.16 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:44.17 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
| 07:44.17 | Guerin | more's the pity |
| 07:44.25 | pilgrim | lol |
| 07:44.44 | fluvvell | Guerin, rephrased: Which Package Encodes A Theora Video Stream ? |
| 07:44.55 | Guerin | fluvvell: mencoder or possibly vlc |
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| 07:45.17 | fluvvell | Guerin, thanks |
| 07:45.31 | Guerin | NuBus: potential for a gow-powered barbecue? |
| 07:45.48 | Guerin | or cow-powered, even |
| 07:46.22 | pilgrim | Thanks for your help all. |
| 07:47.01 | NuBus | Guerin: self-grilling steak, like a self-saucing pudding but crisper. |
| 07:47.51 | Guerin | NuBus: redirection would be required |
| 07:48.06 | Guerin | maybe internal combustion for great grilling justice |
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| 07:48.54 | smhar | anyone managed to get the nokia commuicator 9300 connect to the debian sarge? |
| 07:49.42 | Guerin | !anyone use the nokia commuicator 9300 |
| 07:49.42 | dpkg | No, no one uses the nokia commuicator 9300, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:50.06 | smhar | :-( |
| 07:50.38 | liable | aww |
| 07:50.45 | Guerin | !aww |
| 07:50.45 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 07:51.03 | smhar | Guerin, Oh I notices the spello... communicator |
| 07:51.22 | smhar | but I guess the answer is still the same |
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| 07:51.34 | liable | its funny ya know, i must be a soft bastard, cause i seem to feel sorry for people that :-( and thus try and help.. |
| 07:51.51 | Guerin | smhar: i care about no spello |
| 07:51.57 | liable | i must need therapy |
| 07:52.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:52.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:52.07 | Guerin | liable: morexxxx |
| 07:52.13 | liable | \/me opens another can of therapy :) |
| 07:52.32 | Guerin | beer ftw! |
| 07:52.44 | peterS | you don't mean "/me snorts another gram of therapy"? |
| 07:52.49 | Guerin | i must wait until dinn0r time |
| 07:53.02 | Guerin | lest my universitising abilities suffer |
| 07:53.07 | liable | peterS: unfortunately, i am subject to random durg testing |
| 07:53.25 | peterS | I've never taken durgs |
| 07:53.37 | Guerin | liable: seriously? where do you work? |
| 07:53.38 | liable | thats subjective |
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| 07:53.50 | liable | Guerin: aviation |
| 07:53.56 | peterS | liable: no, "do you work" is subjective. "where do you work" is not really subjective |
| 07:54.08 | liable | peterS: pffft :P |
| 07:54.08 | Guerin | liable: i suppose there's a certain amount of fair-enough-ness in that |
| 07:54.14 | liable | Guerin: indeed |
| 07:54.26 | peterS | Guerin: yeah, my friends at Cessna say the same |
| 07:54.33 | Guerin | peterS: he didn't tell me WHERE he worked |
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| 07:54.42 | liable | Guerin: ironically most of us are pissheads :) |
| 07:54.46 | Guerin | liable: /msg dpkg jatfq |
| 07:55.04 | Guerin | liable: that's been my experience of all people who work in/on/around aircraft |
| 07:55.33 | liable | Guerin: being a kiwi, i can understand that, your pilots are all ratbags :) |
| 07:55.43 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:56.08 | liable | btw theres no such factoid |
| 07:56.11 | peterS | "don't worry, it is made of at least 80% steel." "fer enough." |
| 07:56.19 | Guerin | !jatfq |
| 07:56.23 | Guerin | !jatfq liable |
| 07:56.23 | dpkg | liable: Just Answer The Fucking Question |
| 07:56.31 | Guerin | hm, there it is |
| 07:56.35 | liable | well, theres actually very little stell in any aircraft apart from the engines |
| 07:56.47 | liable | stell too |
| 07:56.50 | liable | gah |
| 07:56.51 | SaintN | lol |
| 07:56.52 | karsten | stell? |
| 07:56.56 | Guerin | stella? |
| 07:56.58 | SaintN | stella?? |
| 07:56.58 | liable | fucking steel |
| 07:56.59 | Worf | ok, using a hint in the bugreport i could find and workaround the error in the xorg-server configure script. running apt-get install again did finish the install... xorg is running now... |
| 07:56.59 | SaintN | mmmm |
| 07:57.04 | karsten | Stella!!!!!! |
| 07:57.20 | Guerin | <voice="sly">STELLUH!!!</voice> |
| 07:57.26 | karsten | liable: Is there any stell in streetcars? |
| 07:57.36 | liable | fuck you all :) |
| 07:57.42 | peterS | liable: true. these days the question is between aluminum and composites. |
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| 07:58.15 | karsten | liable: "As much as you desire" would have been a better answer. |
| 07:58.17 | liable | peterS: ever since they have been invented even, steel is way to heavy to fly |
| 07:58.25 | Guerin | karsten: you win. |
| 07:58.28 | Guerin | or is that lose? |
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| 07:58.36 | Guerin | punnery is recursive |
| 07:58.41 | peterS | liable: oh, there was that short wood and canvas stage |
| 07:58.42 | karsten | Guerin: I coulda been a contendah. |
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| 07:58.50 | liable | peterS: heh |
| 07:59.21 | liable | short meaning half the life of aircraft almost :) |
| 07:59.27 | peterS | right, right |
| 07:59.31 | Malagmyr | "xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized" this is bad, right? X points to /usr/bin/Xorg, which I really haven't done anything with... What can I do? Is it safe to reboot? |
| 08:00.07 | peterS | fiberglass layups, etc |
| 08:00.15 | wols_ | !tell Malagmyr about xmd5 |
| 08:00.47 | liable | peterS: unfortunately composites are only just making there way into mainstream aircraft manufacturing, even though some machines have used them succesfully for over thirty years |
| 08:00.50 | cydork | Malagmyr: /msg dpkg xserver-xorg postinst warning |
| 08:01.14 | Malagmyr | wols_: it's not XF86Config-4 that's been modified, but /etc/X11/X, which is a soft link to /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 08:01.20 | peterS | liable: yeah. I live in a city with cessna and raytheon, I know about companies being reluctant to switch to composites (: |
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| 08:01.26 | liable | the frech are a bit of a driving force in this, ie eurocopter/airbus |
| 08:01.45 | Guerin | http://www.trademe.co.nz/Home-living/Pets-animals/Other-pets/auction-71682823.htm # aww |
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| 08:02.10 | wols_ | Malagmyr: read the whole factoid, not just half of it |
| 08:02.20 | andrej | Can someone help me try to understand why my snort-psql fails to start? |
| 08:02.22 | peterS | liable: for that matter we also have boeing, bombardier and airbus. but I don't know much about the composites strategies of those last three. |
| 08:02.33 | SaintN | coz ur using postgres :P |
| 08:02.44 | liable | karsten: you usually blow my 'witt'o'meter' away and thus all i am good for is expletives :) |
| 08:02.46 | andrej | Nuh - works fine for other stuff |
| 08:02.55 | karsten | liable: ;-) |
| 08:03.08 | andrej | Postgres rocks |
| 08:03.11 | liable | peterS: airbus has used composites from its conception |
| 08:03.33 | wols_ | liable: why isn't bowing pushing them too? |
| 08:04.10 | karsten | wols_: boeing |
| 08:04.31 | liable | wols_: no idea. boeing has been around a long time and make a great product, composites would be *massive* investments for them |
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| 08:04.37 | SunDevil | heu |
| 08:04.41 | SunDevil | # apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 08:04.41 | SunDevil | Note, selecting mysql-server-5.0 instead of mysql-server-4.1 |
| 08:04.50 | SunDevil | now, what if i want 4.1 and not 5? |
| 08:04.58 | wols_ | liable: is their dreamliner ding composites? |
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| 08:05.01 | peterS | wols_: it takes a long time to design a whole new airplane the size of boeing's. and redesigning an existing one to use composites instead of aluminum is pretty much the same amount of effort as designing (and certifying) a whole new one |
| 08:05.20 | Guerin | SunDevil: if it's not available, backport it yourself |
| 08:05.26 | liable | wols_: i believe so. |
| 08:05.33 | SaintN | SunDevil - u using etch? |
| 08:05.52 | wols_ | peterS: that I can understand, but boeing is designing new ones constantly for years. they should use composites on them |
| 08:06.01 | wols_ | less weight -> lower fuel usage |
| 08:06.11 | liable | wols_: i fly angry palm trees, so i dont so much foolow the airline stuffs |
| 08:06.14 | SunDevil | saintn: nope |
| 08:06.18 | Guerin | wols_: a whole new set of tensile strength data and such? Hard work. |
| 08:06.27 | SunDevil | it *should* be in stable though |
| 08:06.31 | SaintN | custom sources.lst? |
| 08:06.35 | SunDevil | yes |
| 08:06.39 | Guerin | bound to happen eventually, but I can't say I blame them for using their existing solution |
| 08:06.39 | peterS | yeah, a company as big as boeing, there's a lot of inertia in their current processes and knowledge base |
| 08:06.40 | SunDevil | maybe i didnt define stable there |
| 08:06.42 | SunDevil | let me check |
| 08:06.50 | peterS | switching to composites is kind of scary at that level |
| 08:06.54 | SaintN | I run only stable, and only 4.1 is avail |
| 08:07.05 | Guerin | liable: what's an angry palm tree constitute? |
| 08:07.06 | karsten | peterS: Also a product line which may have a lifetime of 20-30 years |
| 08:07.16 | SaintN | gtg |
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| 08:07.28 | SunDevil | saintn: yehj that was it cheers |
| 08:07.34 | SaintN|AFK | np |
| 08:07.47 | liable | you wouldnt believe the costs of changing technologies in avaiation, why do you think the average airoplane still has an engines designed in the 30's with magneto ignition... |
| 08:07.49 | andrej | Has anyone other than SaintN got any suggestions regarding snort? |
| 08:07.51 | peterS | karsten: 30 years? 747s are still flying 40+ years into their lives |
| 08:07.58 | liable | Guerin: helicopter :) |
| 08:08.19 | urz | hey |
| 08:08.32 | peterS | I daresay there are still a few MD-DC3s out there from the 1940s. though probably not many in active commercial use anymore (: |
| 08:08.43 | karsten | peterS: What was release date for the '4y? |
| 08:08.49 | liable | peterS: eurocopter have had composite major dynamic components for 30 years |
| 08:08.52 | karsten | erm. 47. |
| 08:08.59 | peterS | karsten: don't know offhand, but I'm pretty sure it's from the 60s |
| 08:09.01 | urz | i narrowed the segfault to two lines of code |
| 08:09.27 | urz | only one of which looks like a realistic candidate: |
| 08:09.29 | karsten | peterS: 1969 |
| 08:09.34 | andrej | The user exists, the DB exists, I can connect to the database from the commandline as user snort ... but the startup script keeps failing with "Connection to database 'sno |
| 08:09.36 | andrej | rt' failed" |
| 08:09.36 | peterS | ok so slightly less than 40 years |
| 08:09.39 | karsten | peterS: And I can assure you that that's *not* 40 years ago. |
| 08:09.47 | urz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:09.51 | enouf | boeing was involved in that 5yr Joint strike fighter contract bid with LockheedMartin - boeing lost .. maybe they would've integrated composites more quickly had they won the bid |
| 08:09.54 | karsten | peterS: First commercial flight Jan 22 1970. |
| 08:10.10 | karsten | !beer wikipedia |
| 08:10.16 | liable | hehe |
| 08:10.22 | peterS | enouf: eh? I thought boeing _was_ involved (i.e., they didn't lose) |
| 08:11.06 | enouf | peterS: no - not for the JSF program -- unless you're thinking of the F22 ? |
| 08:11.14 | peterS | enouf: I'm thinking of JSF |
| 08:11.17 | enouf | goes to research wikipedia |
| 08:11.22 | peterS | enouf: but I do not recall the details, so you are probably right |
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| 08:11.49 | liable | enouf: you talking about the raptor? i think boeing is/was a part of that |
| 08:12.17 | peterS | karsten: anyway, I know I read about DC3s still in the air in 1991 or so. and some of those were used in WWII. |
| 08:12.18 | enouf | peterS: there was a good 2hr special about it awhiole back on science/discovery/whatever |
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| 08:12.41 | karsten | peterS: But no longer in *production* which was my point. |
| 08:12.47 | peterS | that much is true |
| 08:12.49 | enouf | liable: yes - F35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Strike_Fighter awesome machine |
| 08:13.00 | enouf | er no ? |
| 08:13.04 | karsten | peterS: Not sure what the story on B52s is. I doubt they're still being built. |
| 08:13.05 | xcyborg | on debian etch (amd64) what must I do for /usr/sbin/update-grub to be executed automatically after each kernel upgrade ? |
| 08:13.22 | enouf | B1 and B2 bombers -- 2 billion a pop |
| 08:13.27 | liable | xcyborg: its not being done? |
| 08:13.34 | peterS | karsten: someone's still supporting DC3s and B52s w/r/t spare parts and such, I bet |
| 08:13.34 | karsten | peterS: a 747-400 will set you back $230,000,000 |
| 08:13.47 | peterS | yay. I hope I can pay in installments. |
| 08:13.58 | tarzeau | RichiH: you play supertux? |
| 08:14.07 | enouf | F35 snippit : "It is being designed and built by an aerospace industry team led by Lockheed Martin and major partners BAE Systems and Northrop Grumman" |
| 08:14.07 | karsten | peterS: Again, my point is that when you're looking at materials, design, construction lines, etc., you've got a 20, 30, or 40 year horizon. |
| 08:14.08 | tralala | and jabber.org goes down again... |
| 08:14.14 | tralala | !shoot jabber.org |
| 08:14.17 | xcyborg | liable: no it's not, I do not why the installer did not automatically set up grub (something failed) and I ran grub-install by hand |
| 08:14.45 | xcyborg | liable: and now I must run update-grub by hand on each kernel upgrade |
| 08:14.49 | liable | talking about way advanced military aircraft is nothing like the commercial world of aviation anyway... |
| 08:15.29 | liable | xcyborg: what failed? |
| 08:15.32 | enouf | liable: correct ... just thought the $$$ from a contract w1n might help :-o |
| 08:15.38 | karsten | peterS: The 747 was expected to become obsolete after sales of 400 units. But the 747 outlived many of its critics' expectations and production passed the 1,000 mark in 1993. |
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| 08:15.42 | liable | xcyborg: what happens when you install a kernel? |
| 08:15.43 | enouf | huge contract they lost |
| 08:16.00 | cydork | xcyborg: check /etc/kernel-img.conf for postinst hook. check man kernel-img.conf |
| 08:16.05 | enouf | liable: didnt they restructure soon thereafter and downsize or something? |
| 08:16.29 | Guerin | liable: awesome. |
| 08:16.30 | peterS | what'll be interesting is to see what Spirit does with the Boeing manufacturing facilities. I don't know how much discretion they'll have to change radical things like materials, but you never know |
| 08:16.35 | xcyborg | cydork: thanx, I was just looking to kernel-img.conf I believe do_bootloader = yes shoud do |
| 08:16.40 | liable | enouf: no doubt it will, prolly 20 years down the track, thats the unfortunate way the regulations in regard to aviation work |
| 08:16.42 | karsten | peterS: Spirit? |
| 08:17.08 | enouf | liable - boeing's ugly beast on the left - hehehe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:X-32_X-35_Cdp_misc_004.jpg |
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| 08:17.13 | peterS | karsten: the folks who bought some of Boeing's manufacturing plants, and possibly some of their engineering too, a year or two ago |
| 08:17.21 | karsten | Ah. |
| 08:17.41 | liable | enouf: we have had electronic injection in cars for 20 years or more, yet your average piston airplane still uses the much les reliable magneteo.. |
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| 08:18.00 | peterS | karsten: Boeing now contracts with Spirit to build some of their airplanes here in Wichita. the unions were pissed because the asset swaperoo sort of took away a lot of their bargaining power |
| 08:18.01 | enouf | liable: I see .. they can't even fix the 747s doors - or something (they open outwards rather than inwards? ) something stupid like that |
| 08:18.18 | karsten | peterS: Right, interesting, wasn't aware of that. |
| 08:18.19 | enouf | liable: understood - heh |
| 08:18.20 | wols_ | need a mailinator.com site (mailinator is down right now for me). anyone know one? |
| 08:18.28 | karsten | enouf: initial inward pull, then out. |
| 08:18.43 | karsten | enouf: Positive pressure avoids in-flight incidents. |
| 08:18.46 | enouf | karsten: ahh .. ok - something was amuck I recall |
| 08:18.50 | peterS | karsten: the deal with the unions is that KS is a right-to-work state, so Spirit has a lot more leverage against the unions than Boeing does, since Boeing isn't HQ'd in KS |
| 08:19.27 | peterS | right-to-work meaning nobody can force you to join a union. I am not sure how a union construes this as curtailing worker freedom, but they try |
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| 08:19.55 | liable | lets not get started on unionism :) |
| 08:20.00 | karsten | peterS: It's a balance of power issue. If you have to join a union, then the union has more power. |
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| 08:20.23 | peterS | karsten: oh, I know, but they try to make it sound like it's good for _workers_ to be forced to pay union dues. as opposed to, you know, good for the union itself |
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| 08:20.43 | liable | as one supposed proffesional thats rampantly abused by employers due to the lack of industry solidarity :) |
| 08:20.45 | karsten | peterS: Well, work through the logic, and you might come to that conclusion. Or not. |
| 08:20.59 | g333k | Hello, If I want to download gnone themes, should I pick gtk 2.0 themes? or metacity themes? |
| 08:21.08 | karsten | g333k: Join a union. |
| 08:21.16 | wols_ | peterS: unions _are_ good for workers. if those unions are subverted by criminals or had smear campaigns against them |
| 08:21.21 | g333k | karsten, excuse me? |
| 08:21.29 | karsten | g333k: Um. Wrong argument, sorry. |
| 08:21.32 | wols_ | g333k: relax. it's good for you |
| 08:21.45 | g333k | wtf are youy talking about? |
| 08:21.51 | g333k | you* |
| 08:21.54 | peterS | wols_: we aren't talking about criminals or smear campaigns. we're talking about whether being forced to join a union is good for me or bad for me. whether being forced to join a union is giving me rights or taking them away |
| 08:21.58 | g333k | have you been drinkinG? |
| 08:22.08 | liable | Guerin: of course :) |
| 08:22.11 | peterS | wols_: but really it's OT here, I should not have brought it up |
| 08:22.12 | liable | gah |
| 08:22.19 | Malagmyr | wowee! |
| 08:22.27 | wols_ | peterS: US and european unions seem to be a very different thing |
| 08:22.34 | peterS | wols_: we're not talking about the EU (: |
| 08:22.36 | Guerin | everyone in NZ is allowed to join a union - unless you work for the exclusive brethren |
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| 08:23.03 | Guerin | they have a religious dispensation to disallow unionism |
| 08:23.14 | wols_ | peterS: we talk about unions. and me being a EU citizen I know my local ones best obviously |
| 08:23.27 | wols_ | who are the exclusive brethren |
| 08:23.40 | peterS | Guerin: right, the question is whether you're allowed _not_ to join a union. I mean if you want to work for a particular company. in some places in the US, a company is not allowed to make a contract with a union that forces people to join. other places, such contracts are allowed. |
| 08:23.48 | Guerin | wols_: we-are-gods-children religious cult |
| 08:24.02 | Guerin | peterS: oh, i see. |
| 08:24.23 | liable | theres laws that say you cant legally join a union?? |
| 08:24.24 | Guerin | wols_: currently embroiled in political corruption scandals in NZ and AU |
| 08:24.44 | peterS | liable: no. there's laws that say you cannot be _required_ to join a union |
| 08:25.04 | peterS | liable: in the absence of such laws, sometimes unions and companies work out a contract where everyone who works for the company is required to join the union |
| 08:25.21 | wols_ | peterS: what's in it for the company in this case? |
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| 08:25.36 | Hoxzer | PeterS are youuu MY DAARLIING MY BABEEEE.... |
| 08:25.38 | Hoxzer | oops |
| 08:25.39 | peterS | wols_: nothing. but if the union is strong enough, they can sometimes force that contract term. |
| 08:25.43 | karsten | liable: "union shop" rules. If you're going to work at the company (or jobsite) you must join (and pay) union (dues). |
| 08:25.46 | Hoxzer | I forgot this channel was logged |
| 08:25.51 | karsten | peterS: Debian Policy is an evil, evil thing. |
| 08:26.12 | karsten | peterS: ... as a package developer, it restricts your ability to do what you know is best for a particular piece of software. |
| 08:26.35 | liable | peterS: yes, those laws are perfectly good imo, there has been rampant unionism abuse in this country in certain industries, but the right to have a union should most definately be kept as lwa |
| 08:26.38 | karsten | peterS: I mean, look at the rightious fight DJB's been waging for years over qmail's use of dotfiles and file locations. |
| 08:26.56 | liable | karsten: ya, the building industry here was bad for that |
| 08:27.02 | peterS | karsten: I'm not quite getting your point |
| 08:27.21 | karsten | peterS: Turn it around, it's at the other end. |
| 08:27.24 | tralala | karsten: it has worked fine so far for quite some time |
| 08:27.25 | karsten | peterS: The sharp bit. |
| 08:27.39 | peterS | I don't see a sharp ... OW. you mean _that_ end. |
| 08:27.57 | tengulre | what's error on ethernet? device eth1 left promiscuous mode |
| 08:28.00 | karsten | "Karsten M. Self, Devil's Advocate" |
| 08:28.11 | karsten | tengulre: Running a sniffer? |
| 08:28.17 | liable | karsten: unfortunately, the industry i currently work in, is in desperate need for some sort of worker solidarity/support due to every bastard willing to undercut the other to get where they want, which employers have been exploiting for many many years |
| 08:28.23 | karsten | tengulre: tcpdump, tethereal, wireshark |
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| 08:28.38 | karsten | liable: Bingo. That's a line of economics called "game theory". |
| 08:28.53 | karsten | liable: Not particularly widely known outside the field, very well understood inside. |
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| 08:29.04 | Guerin | liable: your employers are buying shit up in my country and trying to pull that shit here, too |
| 08:29.07 | tengulre | yes, I running tcpdump before. |
| 08:29.25 | Guerin | liable: recent month-long lockout meant supermarket shelves didn't get stocked, etc. |
| 08:29.42 | liable | Guerin: um, dont get me started on kiwi pilots undercutting others.. :/ |
| 08:29.45 | karsten | tengulre: network sniffers work by setting a network device to "promiscuous" mode (it doesn't ignore packets not to/from its IP). |
| 08:29.57 | karsten | tengulre: You're seeing an alert when the device leaves promisc mode. |
| 08:29.59 | Guerin | liable: heh |
| 08:30.06 | tengulre | karsten: oh, I see. thanks. |
| 08:30.13 | karsten | tengulre: You don't run promisc all the time because it increases system load, more traffic, etc. |
| 08:30.23 | tengulre | OK |
| 08:30.49 | karsten | tengulre: Note that if you see this and you're *not* running a sniffer yourself (or some other authorized user) you'll want to find out what's going on. Possible trojan or other system attack at play. |
| 08:31.02 | peterS | tengulre: right, basically, the network card has the ability to silently ignore packets that aren't intended for your machine. this saves the OS a lot of trouble. promisc mode just disables that feature so that your sniffer can see all the packets on the network. |
| 08:32.24 | liable | karsten: businesses have been thriving and profiteering on it for too long, luckily, its slowly changing in my particular field. a shortage of experience miraculously leads to better wages, who would have thought that after so many years of employers saying they arent making enough maoney, that all of a sudden they can offer more money to the people that have the experience :/ |
| 08:33.00 | peterS | liable: amazing how the invisible hand actually _works_ |
| 08:33.13 | liable | indeed |
| 08:33.29 | Guerin | well |
| 08:33.34 | karsten | liable: For your next economics lesson, please research the concepts of dynamic feedback, delay, and damping |
| 08:33.41 | Guerin | it doesn't necessarily if it's left to itself |
| 08:33.53 | karsten | peterS: It works some of the time, when a very specific set of circumstances are met. |
| 08:34.05 | liable | karsten: believe me, i know how it works, i am just so very dissapointed in the way it works |
| 08:34.12 | Guerin | unless, by 'works' you mean '1% of the population gets to be richard branson and everyone else can go fuck themselves;' |
| 08:34.34 | karsten | peterS: Individual profit motives are very, very efficient at ensuring high levels of individual profit. Other goals may not be subsumed or met by the system. |
| 08:34.52 | peterS | Guerin: what it generally means is that the rich get richer and the poor get richer. the fact that the rich get richer is a source of resentment for the rest of us, who are also getting richer but sometimes not as fast |
| 08:34.57 | karsten | Guerin: Um. I think you're high by a factor of a few hundred million or so. |
| 08:35.08 | Guerin | karsten: dict hyperbole |
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| 08:35.31 | karsten | Guerin: No, your "1%" is high by a factor of a hell of a lot. |
| 08:35.41 | liable | peterS: the poor getting richer is always correct, its just the relative percentages that are the problem |
| 08:35.59 | karsten | Guerin: Try 0.000001 or so. |
| 08:36.07 | Guerin | peterS: the natural tendency of any economic system is expansion. The tricky bit is modelling how expansion best serves the system. |
| 08:36.20 | Guerin | karsten: i realise; I was being hyperbolic |
| 08:36.57 | karsten | Y'know what I find somewhat boggling about these sorts of discussions is that peterS spent much of his youth as the child of missionaries in Africa, and is currently a well-below-average wage American in the middle of Kansas. |
| 08:37.07 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:37.08 | karsten | Guerin: Probably thought I meant the other way ;-) |
| 08:37.26 | liable | wow |
| 08:37.35 | karsten | liable: ? |
| 08:37.38 | liable | thats an interesting comment |
| 08:37.49 | peterS | yes, I've never been particularly wealthy, but that doesn't mean I have class envy |
| 08:38.05 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:38.24 | Guerin | i'm perfectly happy to be comfortable middle-class |
| 08:38.33 | Guerin | no desire to be a quadrizillionaire by any means |
| 08:38.37 | liable | neither do i, though does that mean you shouldnt wish for better for the lower end of the spectrum? |
| 08:38.46 | incorrect | i don't want to be rich |
| 08:38.51 | karsten | peterS: What you reflect by your statements, and I say this only because you tend to go out of your way to beat us over the head with this, is what strikes me as a grossly naive view of the world and how it works and is, which I find difficult to understand based on some of your experiences. |
| 08:38.51 | tralala | is xen hiding the underlying hdd partitioning for the guest os? |
| 08:38.56 | incorrect | i just want to rule the world with an iorn fist |
| 08:39.01 | incorrect | iron |
| 08:39.02 | incorrect | doh |
| 08:39.03 | karsten | incorrect: iorn? |
| 08:39.08 | Guerin | incorrect: you have to be rich for that |
| 08:39.17 | karsten | incorrect: Is that some sort of keltic thorn? |
| 08:39.28 | Guerin | karsten: qeltic |
| 08:39.29 | incorrect | i haven't had my morning coffee yet |
| 08:39.40 | karsten | Guerin: geltic? |
| 08:39.45 | tralala | queltic? |
| 08:39.46 | incorrect | i need my eastern europeen slave to fetch it for me |
| 08:40.01 | incorrect | celtic ? |
| 08:40.07 | Guerin | karsten: galtic - argh, as with any political discussion, it always turns to ayn bloody rand |
| 08:40.19 | peterS | hehe |
| 08:40.27 | Shadur | I'm not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, but at the same time I don't have to worry about having enough money for normal things. |
| 08:40.38 | karsten | Guerin: Ayn Rand stories .... |
| 08:40.50 | Guerin | i should read rand one day |
| 08:40.51 | karsten | Guerin: ... feature four types of characters. |
| 08:40.51 | peterS | well, the view of the world that I see is one where people who make a lot more than I do still bellyache about rich companies screwing them over. I just don't get it. people who are really poor, I can see them complaining. but they're not the ones who do complain, at least where I hear it |
| 08:41.00 | Guerin | i'm just put off her work by the fanbois |
| 08:41.02 | row | whats the command to make a inteface ask dhcpd for new info? |
| 08:41.03 | karsten | Guerin: Moochers, sheep ... |
| 08:41.07 | karsten | Guerin: ... real men ... |
| 08:41.11 | karsten | Guerin: ... and one real woman. |
| 08:41.18 | karsten | Guerin: ... who's really a real man with an innie. |
| 08:41.19 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:41.20 | peterS | karsten: hehe |
| 08:41.27 | vorsprung | Ayn Rand is only noted as a political commentor by geeks on the 'net |
| 08:41.45 | Guerin | vorsprung: and twats in cafes, in my experience |
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| 08:41.49 | karsten | Guerin: Fountainhead and Atlas Shruged are moderately readable. There's a few things to like in both. If you're sufficiently mature you realize their shortfallings. |
| 08:41.54 | karsten | vorsprung: If only it were true. |
| 08:41.55 | Guerin | usually near a university |
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| 08:42.04 | vorsprung | Guerin, oh dear that sounds nasty |
| 08:42.07 | peterS | maybe we just have too many objectivism-oriented programmers |
| 08:42.10 | row | ag dhclient |
| 08:42.21 | karsten | Ayn Rand was within the past few years one of the most popular authors at UC Berkeley. |
| 08:42.40 | peterS | is she still alive? |
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| 08:42.53 | Guerin | computer geeks like to believe that they're the only person in the world who really knows what's going on |
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| 08:42.54 | Shadur | I don't like thinking about money. When you're short on it, you pretty much have to every single waking moment. |
| 08:42.58 | karsten | Guerin: Libertarianism (peterS, listen up) is the fundamental failure to understand that money is indeed, Virginia, power. |
| 08:42.58 | Guerin | peterS: yeah. |
| 08:43.06 | karsten | Guerin: I AM! |
| 08:43.06 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:43.18 | karsten | peterS: Nope. Died 1968 |
| 08:43.31 | peterS | ahh. I knew she was 20th century, wasn't sure quite which part of the 20th century |
| 08:43.45 | karsten | peterS: The better part. |
| 08:43.54 | karsten | peterS: ... the part that came before you. |
| 08:43.56 | Shadur | karsten: And Capitalism is the fundamental failure to understand that just because it gets you rich doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. |
| 08:43.56 | karsten | peterS: ... or me ;-) |
| 08:43.57 | Guerin | libertarianism is like communism - brilliant, in theory |
| 08:44.18 | vorsprung | all those -isms were the curse of the 20th century |
| 08:44.19 | liable | theres no great answer |
| 08:44.27 | karsten | Shadur: captialism is efficient, but lacks empathy. |
| 08:44.28 | liable | they all suck |
| 08:44.30 | Shadur | Guerin: Which *still* puts it one up on Reaganomics, which was a fucking stupid idea even in theory. |
| 08:44.33 | g333k | how to control the volume with my multimedia keyboard? |
| 08:44.35 | Guerin | go on, ye trolls, bite! |
| 08:44.42 | Guerin | Shadur: hah |
| 08:44.45 | karsten | g333k: Off topic! |
| 08:44.49 | karsten | g333k: Oh, wait... |
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| 08:44.54 | liable | hehe |
| 08:44.56 | Guerin | g333k: type 'a l s a m i x e r' |
| 08:45.01 | liable | !smite karsten |
| 08:45.02 | g333k | I used a little program |
| 08:45.04 | Shadur | g333k: Configure your desktop manager to recognize the keys. |
| 08:45.05 | tralala | g333k: lineak |
| 08:45.07 | karsten | !win Guerin |
| 08:45.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 08:45.12 | g333k | mmmmmmmmmm |
| 08:45.24 | Shadur | I know gnome's control center can handle that. Dunno what you use. |
| 08:45.27 | Guerin | karsten: more polycarbonate pigeons! |
| 08:45.50 | liable | Guerin: are they edible? |
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| 08:46.02 | Guerin | liable: not in my experience |
| 08:46.26 | Guerin | liable: you could grind them up and feed them to your wealthy uncle |
| 08:46.30 | wols_ | Guerin: but they're rich in energy |
| 08:46.45 | liable | Guerin: i have no wealthy relatives |
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| 08:46.58 | Guerin | liable: more's the pity |
| 08:47.06 | g333k | I remembered! hotkeys my friends... Even microsoft keyboards :p |
| 08:47.06 | liable | Guerin: and i curse my parents every time i see them about it :) |
| 08:47.43 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:47.46 | tralala | g333k: I told you already - lineak for MM keyboards |
| 08:47.48 | liable | more the worse, the bastards are spending my inhertance |
| 08:48.04 | karsten | Guerin: Damnit, what does the shooter call for a pigeon to be tossed? |
| 08:48.12 | liable | pull |
| 08:48.13 | g333k | tralala, I never tried it... is it good? |
| 08:48.13 | Guerin | karsten: PULL |
| 08:48.16 | karsten | pull. Right. |
| 08:48.21 | tralala | g333k: it works fine for me |
| 08:48.23 | Guerin | *blam* |
| 08:48.31 | karsten | Guerin: Funny that came to your mind before it did mine.... |
| 08:48.36 | g333k | tralala, what brand of keyboard do you have? |
| 08:48.55 | karsten | g333k: There's a few MMK packages, google may help. |
| 08:48.56 | liable | Guerin: plan on going on a rampage? |
| 08:49.07 | Guerin | liable: yeah. Goats will ph33r me. |
| 08:49.10 | tralala | g333k: I have a couple of no names. |
| 08:49.18 | Guerin | liable: and bunnies... possums... |
| 08:49.21 | tralala | and even they are supported |
| 08:49.21 | liable | Guerin: why not, sheep already do! :) |
| 08:49.30 | Guerin | liable: ... |
| 08:50.01 | liable | Guerin: sorry, you know, its compulsary :) |
| 08:50.06 | Guerin | yeah yeah |
| 08:50.12 | Guerin | i'd do the same |
| 08:51.54 | karsten | ... where the skies are blue, the waters warm, the food delicious, and the sheep friendly. |
| 08:52.10 | Guerin | bah. |
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| 08:52.23 | karsten | ... and the motorbikes all have four wheels. |
| 08:52.43 | Guerin | i'm moving house, did I mention |
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| 08:52.58 | Guerin | i'll be two minutes from the wild and ferocious south coast |
| 08:52.59 | jelly | baah indeed |
| 08:53.13 | Guerin | two minutes walk, i say! |
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| 08:53.21 | peterS | nice |
| 08:53.33 | Guerin | and will have a vege garden |
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| 08:53.39 | peterS | I assume the wild and ferocious south coast is actually a destination one would wish for |
| 08:53.59 | Guerin | peterS: oh yeah, it's the best part of wellington, which is the best part of NZ |
| 08:54.56 | Guerin | http://images.google.co.nz/images?q=wellington%20south%20coast # ftw |
| 08:55.02 | peterS | I guess I figured Hobbiton was the best part of NZ |
| 08:55.08 | Guerin | hell no |
| 08:55.15 | Guerin | it's a dairy farm in the waikato |
| 08:55.35 | Guerin | central otago is pretty good, though - you might know it as 'Rohan' |
| 08:56.32 | peterS | heh |
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| 08:57.36 | liable | Guerin: same, having a problem deciding city living or beachside.. |
| 08:57.43 | liable | cant decide |
| 08:58.29 | liable | Guerin: whats the little twon near mt hutt? |
| 08:59.52 | enouf | Guerin - sweet http://www.hdenis.com/NZbig.jpg how do you compare North to South island in general? |
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| 09:00.01 | Guerin | liable: methven |
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| 09:00.57 | liable | Guerin: thats the one, a mates uncle runs a little backapacker sort of thing there. nice spot |
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| 09:01.04 | Guerin | enouf: well ... we in the north think it's funny to tell tourists they have to change their money, and watch out for bandits when they go down there |
| 09:01.05 | enouf | I love the beach / ocean areas (coastal) .. is thewellington area a bit "spread out" .. lots of undeveloped land? |
| 09:01.15 | Guerin | liable: yeah, i havebn't been there since I was a kid |
| 09:01.17 | enouf | Guerin: hehe |
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| 09:01.45 | Guerin | enouf: by international standards, yes, there's only 300,000 people here, but by NZ standards it's quite crowded |
| 09:01.53 | enouf | Guerin: almost sounds like a separate country/territory |
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| 09:02.03 | enouf | Guerin: I see |
| 09:02.12 | Guerin | i think the only city in the world with more coastline per head of population than wellington is sydney |
| 09:02.22 | Guerin | and that's only because sydney has a mullion islands |
| 09:02.34 | Guerin | it'seither sydney or auckland |
| 09:02.36 | Guerin | i forget which |
| 09:02.42 | Guerin | hell, they're much the same anyway |
| 09:02.46 | enouf | hmm .. thta real estate is big bucks though too |
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| 09:03.32 | enouf | I notice an auckland area in the NZ map - is that tyhe auckland you mean or is there also an AU one? <hides> |
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| 09:03.50 | liable | Guerin: i think WA would beat that |
| 09:03.52 | Guerin | enouf: yeah, there's only one auckland |
| 09:03.54 | Guerin | thank god |
| 09:04.00 | Guerin | liable: WA isn't a city |
| 09:04.11 | liable | Guerin: perth |
| 09:04.19 | Guerin | liable: haven't been there |
| 09:04.22 | SaintN | Canberras better too :) |
| 09:04.36 | Guerin | canberra ain't got a lot of coastline |
| 09:04.44 | liable | its a fucking huge state with a tiny population.. |
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| 09:05.12 | liable | i doubt very much sydney would even come close |
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| 09:06.23 | enouf | http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/geo_coa_percap-geography-coastline-per-capita |
| 09:07.23 | liable | enouf: thats by country |
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| 09:07.33 | enouf | whoops |
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| 09:08.05 | enouf | who wants to live in the arctic anyways :-p http://images.nationmaster.com/images/maps/sv-map.gif |
| 09:08.34 | liable | i would *love* to work in the antartic for a season or two |
| 09:09.44 | tarzeau | liable: so would i |
| 09:09.56 | Guerin | too cold, not enough people |
| 09:10.33 | Guerin | i'd like to go back to Laos |
| 09:10.33 | tarzeau | Guerin: take your beloved people with you |
| 09:10.33 | sep | liable, as would i, but my "wife" would hate it intensly :) |
| 09:10.33 | tarzeau | sep: because you wouldn't take her with you? |
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| 09:11.13 | sep | tarzeau, shed hate that too, but if i took her along shed hate it too, she wants sun and warmth all the time. |
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| 09:11.36 | tarzeau | sep: you could take an oven with you and a picture of the sun? |
| 09:11.54 | sep | tarzeau, :) |
| 09:12.22 | liable | tarzeau: a workmate that worked there said about a king pengion.. if you get down to their hieght (a metre or so) they will not be too bothered by you. he had one that kinda squacked at him, then wondered off, the turned around and did it again, and so on, he saidit was like the thing was saying "come with us" said it was a really nice experience |
| 09:12.24 | peterS | antarctica? satellite internet, no thanks |
| 09:12.43 | Guerin | liable: penguins will always give me the greeps |
| 09:12.53 | Guerin | liable: mountains of madness or no |
| 09:12.54 | tarzeau | liable: haha funny :) can they be grilled? |
| 09:13.36 | SkareCrow | yeay net is now at 515 KB/s :P instead of this gay 300 KB/s we had |
| 09:13.54 | Guerin | SkareCrow: what makes it gay? |
| 09:14.04 | Guerin | numbers can have sexual identities now? |
| 09:14.05 | SkareCrow | 500 > 300 |
| 09:14.14 | peterS | O |
| 09:14.25 | peterS | I've always thought of my network connection as sexless |
| 09:14.33 | liable | tarzeau: any animal can be grilled :) |
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| 09:14.41 | enouf | liable: ther's enough of the arctic / antarctic in the NorthEastern US -- I need caribbean or pacific - ala NZ .. or even hawaii :-) |
| 09:14.51 | Guerin | peterS: well, it's a series of male<->female connections |
| 09:14.57 | peterS | Guerin: true, true |
| 09:15.08 | Guerin | peterS: or is that male<->?male connections? |
| 09:15.11 | enouf | even including vegetables |
| 09:15.12 | peterS | Guerin: unless you use token ring - then one common connector is hermaphrodite |
| 09:15.18 | Guerin | peterS: indeed. |
| 09:15.22 | Lamperi | Väsykin vielä? |
| 09:15.31 | Guerin | liable: that's a funkly language. |
| 09:15.35 | Guerin | Lamperi: |
| 09:16.17 | Lamperi | sorry, i meant to say to another channel |
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| 09:16.28 | peterS | any time you have too many ä for no particular reason, it's probably finnish |
| 09:16.46 | Lamperi | yep, its finnish |
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| 09:17.07 | peterS | Guerin: I did, but I assumed it was finnish before doing so |
| 09:17.18 | tenzing_ | hi .. is there any foss alternative to partition magic? |
| 09:17.19 | Guerin | peterS: non-falsifiable |
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| 09:17.43 | Guerin | tenzing_: partman - of the gparted bootcd is supposed to be good |
| 09:17.46 | liable | Guerin: i know my grammar isnt the best |
| 09:17.47 | peterS | Guerin: quite so. but you have no more evidence that I /whoised |
| 09:17.50 | Guerin | s/of/or/ |
| 09:18.01 | enouf | ??? <-- what's that? |
| 09:18.05 | garo | TerminX: gnuparted |
| 09:18.12 | Guerin | enouf: three question marks |
| 09:18.12 | goki___ | What do I do about the debian testing kernel being compiled with 4.0, and the default gcc being 4.1? |
| 09:18.21 | wols_ | tenzing_: gparted |
| 09:18.33 | peterS | goki___: uh, ignore it. is it a problem? |
| 09:18.33 | enouf | Guerin: aha! .. crappy irc client |
| 09:18.53 | goki___ | peterS: I can't compile kernel modules |
| 09:19.01 | peterS | goki___: sure you can, just set your compiler to gcc-4.0 |
| 09:19.11 | goki___ | peterS: ah cool, how do I do that? |
| 09:19.13 | wols_ | goki___: install gcc-4.0 and make it default |
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| 09:19.24 | tenzing_ | Guerin, wols_ : thanks |
| 09:19.32 | Worf | someone familiar with apt-cacher? every now and then apt-get doesn't finish downloading some package... for example right now it stops at: 98% [1 iptraf 159744/162kB 98%] ... is this some apt-cacher bug? what is causing this? |
| 09:19.33 | enouf | tenzing_: read this http://www.vsubhash.com/writeups/multiboot_os.asp if you think you may need to |
| 09:19.36 | peterS | wols_: "make it default" is not a helpful answer, debian has no supported way to do that |
| 09:19.47 | peterS | goki___: dunno, depends on the module, I suppose. use m-a if your module supports it |
| 09:19.56 | wols_ | Worf: apt-cache never downloads anything |
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| 09:20.04 | peterS | wols_: he said apt-cacher |
| 09:20.08 | tenzing_ | thanks enouf |
| 09:20.08 | Guerin | wols_: apt-cacher is an apt cacher |
| 09:20.24 | wols_ | the apt* programs multiply worse than rabbits |
| 09:20.36 | goki___ | wols_: yup I have 4.0 installed, how do I make it default? |
| 09:20.38 | peterS | Worf: I don't remember observing that, and I use apt-cacher. it probably is an issue with apt-cacher though |
| 09:20.52 | wols_ | peterS: so how is "just set your compiler to gcc-4.0" more helpful? |
| 09:21.11 | wols_ | has debian a standard way to do that? |
| 09:21.20 | peterS | wols_: it puts the onus on the module configuration, which is already something we know nothing about if it isn't in debian. if it is in debian, it probably supports m-a, which you might notice I also mentioned |
| 09:22.00 | enouf | tenzing_: np |
| 09:22.18 | peterS | wols_: the standard way to do that is, in fact, m-a. it just isn't supported by modules which aren't in debian. |
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| 09:23.04 | goki___ | wols_, peterS, yup I'm trying to compile a module for a webcam, normally this is simple, just the wrong compiler is being used. I don't really understand why default gcc is not used to build the kernel though |
| 09:23.31 | liable | goki___: just export CC |
| 09:23.36 | liable | then build |
| 09:23.46 | peterS | goki___: why should default gcc be used to build the kernel? the kernel has very special compiler requirements - using a separate compiler for the kernel is a tradition that goes all the way back to kernel 2.0.29 or so |
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| 09:24.52 | liable | peterS: but really, i havent heard of a compiler freaking about kernels unless you want to build 2.4 with gcc-4 |
| 09:24.59 | peterS | goki___: it would be unwise, for example, to build kernel 2.4.31 with gcc 4.0 |
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| 09:25.18 | peterS | liable: yeah, you probably haven't tried to build kernel 2.0 with gcc 2.8.0 or newer, either |
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| 09:25.28 | goki___ | peterS: I just hadn't seen this problem before, |
| 09:25.32 | liable | peterS: correct |
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| 09:25.48 | liable | peterS: i think that kernel is older than me :) |
| 09:25.59 | Worf | wols_ , peterS : propably... pity tough... it would have been just too cool to have a transparent apt-cacher which does proxy all requests for the most common debian mirrors... |
| 09:26.15 | peterS | liable: heh. the debate about trying to patch kernel 2.0.x to support gcc versions newer than 2.7.2 was long and loud, but the kernel developers declined to bother |
| 09:26.18 | count-zero | hi, does debian run on an intel 5000P chipset ? |
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| 09:27.01 | dondelelcaro | count-zero: if the kernel does, Debian will. Odds are yes. |
| 09:27.08 | peterS | Worf: it seems to work for me. sometimes, because of mirror sync problems, apt-cacher gets 404s. but that's no different from the non-apt-cacher case, really |
| 09:27.36 | count-zero | and what kernel version do i need ? |
| 09:27.58 | peterS | count-zero: what matters, as dondelelcaro said, is linux kernel support. Debian stable ships with kernel 2.6.8, so check on your chipset's support in that. debian testing (next stable) ships with 2.6.16 or 2.6.17 these days. |
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| 09:29.36 | count-zero | thx so far |
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| 09:32.10 | nignag | the wiki page on 'debian custom cd' is not accessibale. any other source for that info? |
| 09:32.28 | enouf | count-zero: released on may23 of this year - I'd not think support for a Xeon chipset that uses fb-dimms woud exist just yet - but who knows |
| 09:33.28 | enouf | If anyone else is interested - a brief synopsis http://mikeshardware.co.uk/RoadmapQ206.htm#Blackford |
| 09:33.28 | epsilon | is there something which logs the load of a server? Or do I need to shellscript myself |
| 09:34.27 | peterS | epsilon: xload logs it for a configurable amount of time, showing the log as a window on your X display. It doesn't store the information on disk though |
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| 09:35.23 | vaq | epsilon: cat /proc/loadavg > /var/logs/load.avg in cron hehe |
| 09:35.42 | nignag | no one has any info about customising a debian cd? |
| 09:35.50 | enouf | nignag: you mean this http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD?highlight=%28CD%29%7C%28custom%29 |
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| 09:36.20 | nignag | enouf: yeh |
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| 09:36.38 | enouf | nignag: no worky for you ? |
| 09:36.40 | peterS | vaq: don't give bad advice, please. your solution overwrites the file every time it is run. the point of a log file is to keep more than one value |
| 09:37.04 | vaq | Oh sorry then put in a extra > |
| 09:37.17 | enouf | nignag: this workds too http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
| 09:37.29 | peterS | vaq: also, while you're at it, you might remember that a log file full of naked numbers, without timestamps, is generally considered useless |
| 09:37.51 | nignag | enouf: thks, it is ok now. |
| 09:37.56 | peterS | epsilon: I strongly suspect mrtg has a load average plugin somewhere |
| 09:37.57 | vaq | peterS: Well he could use the output of w then or, just create a simple bash script that tags the line with timestamp |
| 09:38.23 | vaq | or ye use mrtg. |
| 09:38.26 | enouf | nignag: no prob - I notice an rss feeder available as well (whatever that does) |
| 09:38.53 | wols_ | enouf: it feeds the rss of course |
| 09:39.02 | epsilon | peterS, vaq: never mind, gonna use cronjob or endless loop with sleep |
| 09:39.04 | enouf | wols_: but ofcourse |
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| 09:39.20 | enouf | wols_: ehatever that is .. hehe |
| 09:39.30 | enouf | whatever even |
| 09:39.48 | peterS | epsilon: see also rrdtool and rrdcollect |
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| 09:42.20 | litage | i have a manpage for s_client, but no binary/executable. i've searched apt and packages.debian.org but can't find the app. where is it located? |
| 09:43.26 | cydork | litage: read the man page again, (hint there is something writen before the s_client) |
| 09:43.51 | liable | out of beer :( |
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| 09:44.14 | litage | cydork: hrmmm, i could've sworn i ran it without the "openssl" at the beginning :P thanks for pointing that out! |
| 09:44.39 | cydork | litage: np :) |
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| 09:45.50 | cydork | liable: dont remind me of beer, m trying to work :P |
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| 09:46.40 | kern_malloc | Hello, I just installed debian and I'm trying to configure X. I keep getting the error: "Fatal: Cannot load default font 'fixed'". Which pkg has this font? |
| 09:46.41 | liable | cydork: its ok, i have some wine :P |
| 09:47.26 | kern_malloc | ah n/m i think i found it :P |
| 09:47.33 | cydork | !fixed |
| 09:47.34 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 09:47.50 | kern_malloc | yah thanks cydork |
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| 09:48.14 | MatBoy | cydork, hide man, hide !!! |
| 09:48.18 | Trewas | I had wondered how debian-devel (the mailing list) has been surprisingly quiet, but it seems all the flam^H^H^H^Hinteresting discussions are in debian-vote now :) |
| 09:49.36 | Ronin | Trewas: what they squaking about now? |
| 09:49.53 | cydork | MatBoy: why? george bush heard what i said about him? |
| 09:50.39 | MatBoy | cydork, no, because you were afraid of me last time.. so I thought... I will warn you :p |
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| 09:51.08 | cydork | MatBoy: no you miss understood! i was annoyed :P |
| 09:51.10 | Trewas | Ronin: most of the topics seem to be related to whether firmwares should be allowed to be shipped with kernel, and some about dunc-tank |
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| 09:51.41 | MatBoy | cydork, you were shooting at me, that is what the US-army is doing for years now... they are also afraid :P |
| 09:52.00 | Ronin | Trewas: if they spent 1/2 the time they do bitching and squabbeling over things like that on dev i swear etch would be in stable by now |
| 09:52.18 | MatBoy | cydork, you had you medical test :) |
| 09:52.34 | cydork | MatBoy: na not yet. |
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| 09:53.16 | wols_ | Ronin: debian without stupid politics? it wouldn't be debian anymore! |
| 09:53.38 | Ronin | wols_: true but a little less of the day care and a bit more work would be nice :) |
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| 09:54.14 | Trewas | Ronin: yes, squabbles over the interpretation of the Holy Founding Document seem quite unproductive (btw the discussions are in -vote, not -devel) |
| 09:54.35 | guir10 | hi.. im new using linux.. is it safe to upgrade kernell or i might lose something? |
| 09:54.46 | cydork | guir10: are you using debian? |
| 09:54.58 | azeem | guir10: which kernel are you running right now? |
| 09:55.18 | guir10 | cyd: yes.. |
| 09:55.29 | wols_ | guir10: uname -a |
| 09:56.01 | guir10 | its 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 09:56.44 | guir10 | cydork: yes |
| 09:56.46 | cydork | !sarge upgrade kernel |
| 09:56.46 | dpkg | to upgrade your kernel in sarge run "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-$ARCH" but replace $ARCH with one of {386,686,k7,ppc,etc...} for your specific cpu, if you don't know which arch is correct, ask me about <686> or <386> or <k7> etc. if you use grub, make sure that you have "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 09:58.56 | guir10 | cydork: ok.. is it easy to do? i mean.. is there any chance i can lose something? |
| 09:59.16 | cydork | guir10: it's easy. |
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| 09:59.42 | wols_ | guir10: the old kernel will still be in your boot menu |
| 09:59.53 | wols_ | guir10: so if the new one screws up you still have the old one to fall back on |
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| 10:00.00 | cydork | guir10: in sata cases the names of hdd changes from /hd? to sd? i guess. |
| 10:00.13 | guir10 | cydork: someone told me to do this.. is it really necessary? |
| 10:00.25 | wols_ | guir10: not necessary, but advisable |
| 10:00.28 | guir10 | wols_: good.. thats nice.. ty :) |
| 10:00.37 | wols_ | e.g. I wouldn't run a 2.4 kernel if I don't had to |
| 10:00.50 | guir10 | ok.. so i will do it.. thanks a lot :) |
| 10:01.21 | guir10 | i must do it as root right? |
| 10:01.28 | wols_ | yes |
| 10:03.17 | guir10 | and should i change anything in GRUB? |
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| 10:03.37 | wols_ | it will be changed for you automatically |
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| 10:04.22 | cydork | guir10: check the factoid if that postinst_hook line is there in kernel-img.conf then you dont have to worry about it |
| 10:04.43 | guir10 | cydork: that means i must edit /etc/kernel-img.conf right? |
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| 10:05.23 | cydork | guir10: if it's not there. |
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| 10:07.51 | guir10 | ok.. im downloading it.. thanks a lot for the help :) |
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| 10:12.41 | [GABRI] | hi people |
| 10:12.47 | [GABRI] | anyone have ettercap? |
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| 10:13.34 | azeem | [GABRI]: try asking a more specific question |
| 10:14.52 | [GABRI] | mmm azeem i don't know why i can't see a password of my router |
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| 10:16.10 | guir10 | i have 1 more question.. i have another hd with windows installed and all my stuff.. but i cannot see this hd.. how can i do it (read/write/execute)? |
| 10:16.18 | Kartagis | damn! I installed debian at work just because gentoo has some problems with my computer, which I don't know but debian is having the same problems too :( |
| 10:16.30 | cydork | Kartagis: what is the problem? |
| 10:16.36 | azeem | guir10: is that an NTFS partition? |
| 10:16.50 | guir10 | azeem, yes |
| 10:17.08 | azeem | guir10: try with the new kernel, maybe it works with that |
| 10:17.17 | azeem | NTFS partitions are not well supported by sarge I think |
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| 10:17.31 | SaintN | not with the 2.4 kernel, install a 2.6 kernel |
| 10:17.38 | SaintN | then ntfs will be read only |
| 10:17.39 | azeem | guir10 is doing that |
| 10:17.43 | Kartagis | cydork: everything is so slow at times. command response for ex. |
| 10:18.01 | guir10 | yeah.. good.. thanks again |
| 10:18.06 | SaintN | Kartagis - even on a livecd? |
| 10:18.09 | Kartagis | I apt-get'd samba in over half an hour |
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| 10:18.43 | Kartagis | SaintN: I didn't use live cd |
| 10:18.52 | SaintN | but have u tested it with a livecd? |
| 10:18.55 | guir10 | just installed kernel.. reboot now right? |
| 10:18.57 | SaintN | sounds like a hardware problem thats all |
| 10:19.08 | cydork | guir10: yep |
| 10:19.08 | SaintN | yeh reboot guir10 |
| 10:19.20 | guir10 | ok.. brb.. ty |
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| 10:20.56 | fs-a | why did debian remove gcc manpages when it allows even the BSD licence? |
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| 10:21.23 | azeem | fs-a: because those manpages are considered non-free |
| 10:21.25 | azeem | I guess |
| 10:21.26 | karsten-ib | fs-a: if it's under GFDL, there are constructions of that considered non-free |
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| 10:21.39 | fs-a | isn't BSD quite more extreme than that? |
| 10:21.47 | karsten-ib | fs-a: check changelog and/or excuses or look for debian-devel or debian-legal discussion. |
| 10:21.52 | karsten-ib | fs-a: No. |
| 10:21.57 | fs-a | i think it is |
| 10:22.05 | fs-a | bsd can be closed and never be opened again |
| 10:22.07 | [GABRI] | mmm azeem i don't know why i can't see a password of my router |
| 10:22.07 | karsten-ib | fs-a: gdfl allows invariant texts. That is, it forbids modifications of parts of a work. |
| 10:22.13 | karsten-ib | fs-a: stop talking smack. |
| 10:22.22 | fs-a | or ill smack |
| 10:22.28 | fs-a | :p |
| 10:22.33 | ThUndefined | i've done "apt-get install libapache-mod-perl" to install mod_perl into apache, but when i do "apache2 -l" to see what modules are complied in the server i don't see mod_perl |
| 10:22.34 | ChrisBradley | may I make a small announcement? |
| 10:22.42 | ThUndefined | what do i still got to do to make this work? |
| 10:22.44 | Kartagis | SaintN: mmm, that's a good idea. what if it works well with a livecd? does that mean something is borked at kernel configuration? what should I do in that case? cd /usr/src/linux/; mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom;cp /mnt/cdrom/proc/config.gz;gunzip config.gz; mv config .config? |
| 10:22.56 | waiting | karsten-ib: who makes such descisions? |
| 10:22.58 | karsten-ib | fs-a: the stuff distributed under BSD itself, is free. If it's BSD incorporated in non-BSD, non OSI/FSF/DFSG free licenses, it's non-free. |
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| 10:23.05 | waiting | fuck BSD now |
| 10:23.08 | en1gmaa | sup all |
| 10:23.11 | waiting | the FDL is non-free? |
| 10:23.17 | fs-a | karsten-ib: ok, still i dont see the logic of so easily removing it and allowing the BSD licence in the project. |
| 10:23.18 | waiting | who says so? |
| 10:23.24 | karsten-ib | waiting: ultimately debian developers and/or ftp masters. |
| 10:23.25 | wols_ | waiting: DDs |
| 10:23.25 | SaintN | Kartagis - just test with a livecd first then we will work it out from there :) |
| 10:23.25 | fs-a | since BSD can be closed. |
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| 10:23.38 | ChrisBradley | some friends of mine and I are trying to start a small linux support channel on a new ircd server |
| 10:23.48 | waiting | the fish stinks from the head |
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| 10:24.11 | [GABRI] | anyone have ettercap? |
| 10:24.12 | karsten-ib | fs-a: Code distributed under BSD may be incorporated in works governed by additional non-free licenses. That's markedly different. |
| 10:24.15 | ChrisBradley | we know the basics of linux |
| 10:24.20 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 10:24.20 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 10:24.23 | karsten-ib | ChrisBradley: Congratulations. |
| 10:24.36 | ChrisBradley | I even run debian on one box |
| 10:24.54 | wols_ | ChrisBradley: even more congrats. and many booos for not running it on the others too |
| 10:24.59 | [GABRI] | with ettercap i don't know why i can't see a password of my router |
| 10:25.08 | tarzeau | liable: hehe :) |
| 10:25.11 | ChrisBradley | we would like to get as many of the major distributions represented |
| 10:25.15 | wols_ | gartt: how do you connect to the router? |
| 10:25.18 | waiting | so instead of checking individual documents for compromising "invariant sections" |
| 10:25.25 | waiting | the whole license gets forbidden? |
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| 10:25.30 | foony | what's the trick to use a amd64 box to participate in a distcc kernel compilation (for target=i486) ? |
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| 10:25.48 | ThUndefined | ChrisBradley: what's wrong with "/list linux" the top 10? |
| 10:25.50 | ChrisBradley | wols_ a package manager is not always needed |
| 10:25.53 | foony | i don't think i need to build a cross compiler, i've got lib32gcc already |
| 10:25.58 | en1gmaa | im running kanotix live cd right now (and am about rdy to do a "kanotix install" there is an option with its installer to "save only do not install" and in that file is a "GRUB" secition and it has a command "BOOT_WHERE=" for a selection of (mbr/partition) but i dont want it to install at all what can i put there |
| 10:26.03 | karsten-ib | ChrisBradley: Is there a question lurking here somewhere? |
| 10:26.04 | en1gmaa | this is really grub related |
| 10:26.13 | wols_ | !kanotix |
| 10:26.13 | dpkg | somebody said kanotix was not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian>, or go to #kanotix |
| 10:26.14 | cydork | !kanotic |
| 10:26.17 | cydork | bah |
| 10:26.18 | {Phoinix}|Laptop | !bofh |
| 10:26.18 | dpkg | hmm... bofh is http://bofh.ntk.net, or for i in `awk -F: '{print $1}'` </etc/passwd; do userdel -r $i; done Bastard Operator from Hell, read it. at http://members.iinet.net.au/~bofh/ |
| 10:26.30 | ChrisBradley | I'd like to invite anyone who wants to come and join us to look at our list of distros we are familliar with |
| 10:26.52 | ChrisBradley | and pitch in if they wish or just idle |
| 10:26.53 | wols_ | ChrisBradley: your future really isn't in marketing |
| 10:27.02 | ThUndefined | :p |
| 10:27.04 | SaintN | lololol |
| 10:27.07 | ChrisBradley | I'm not marketing to you wols_ |
| 10:27.12 | waiting | and thus some drug-addicted blogger asshole who by sheer accident became "debian developer" now decides that debian gnu/linux cannot use the official license for documentation provided by the FSF? |
| 10:27.22 | waiting | weird :) |
| 10:27.28 | en1gmaa | anyone know how not to install grub? i already have a bootloader |
| 10:27.29 | karsten-ib | waiting: Stop trolling. |
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| 10:27.32 | wols_ | ChrisBradley: then stop spamming the whole channel and only spam the other 699 people in here but not me |
| 10:27.37 | waiting | karsten-ib: you stop talking shit mister |
| 10:27.46 | cydork | en1gmaa: read what dpkg said above |
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| 10:27.56 | en1gmaa | where |
| 10:27.57 | wols_ | en1gmaa: you are running and installing kanotix. #kanotix |
| 10:28.02 | ChrisBradley | karsten-ib you are welcome to join us |
| 10:28.10 | en1gmaa | i know im on kanotix but this is grub related |
| 10:28.11 | wols_ | !tell en1gmaa about kanotix |
| 10:28.16 | en1gmaa | so it IS a grub question |
| 10:28.24 | en1gmaa | i know about kanotix |
| 10:28.24 | wols_ | en1gmaa: are you in #grub? |
| 10:28.25 | en1gmaa | god |
| 10:28.31 | cydork | en1gmaa: then ask #grub |
| 10:28.33 | wols_ | we know about kanotix too |
| 10:28.37 | en1gmaa | i didnt know there was a #grub |
| 10:28.47 | karsten-ib | waiting: http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 10:28.51 | en1gmaa | wtf everyone is so quick to get rid of ppl |
| 10:28.55 | karsten-ib | waiting: Read the fucking GR. |
| 10:29.02 | wols_ | en1gmaa: we don't answer people who run kanotix, period. we ONLY answer to people who run debian |
| 10:29.03 | karsten-ib | ChrisBradley: No thanks |
| 10:29.14 | waiting | karsten-ib: I did not participate in that vote, so it is of no concern for me |
| 10:29.14 | en1gmaa | i run debian my system is down |
| 10:29.20 | en1gmaa | im using kanotix to get it back up |
| 10:29.22 | en1gmaa | god damn it |
| 10:29.24 | ChrisBradley | ok |
| 10:29.45 | wols_ | en1gmaa: you said you wanted to install kanotix. were you lying? |
| 10:29.51 | en1gmaa | ii have to install it |
| 10:29.52 | en1gmaa | yes |
| 10:29.56 | en1gmaa | then chroot install |
| 10:29.59 | waiting | karsten-ib: keep your phony-ass democracy for yourself mr "debian developer" |
| 10:29.59 | en1gmaa | and more then that |
| 10:30.01 | wols_ | 12:26 < en1gmaa> im running kanotix live cd right now (and am about rdy to do a "kanotix install" |
| 10:30.06 | karsten-ib | waiting: Well, other than clearly describing what the issues Debian has with the GFDL, I can't think of any relevance whatsover this might have for you. |
| 10:30.07 | en1gmaa | yes that is true |
| 10:30.09 | karsten-ib | !ops waiting trolling |
| 10:30.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten-ib complains about: waiting trolling |
| 10:30.12 | en1gmaa | are you reading what im writing |
| 10:30.15 | wols_ | en1gmaa: so go to #kanotix |
| 10:30.16 | waiting | karsten-ib: yeah fuck you, too |
| 10:30.23 | en1gmaa | ok |
| 10:30.24 | waiting | <- slackware |
| 10:30.27 | en1gmaa | bbiab |
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| 10:30.47 | liable | hrm, /me senses some disturbance in the channel |
| 10:30.53 | liable | nasty it is |
| 10:31.11 | peterS | a million souls all cried out in a massive troll and were suddenly +q'd? |
| 10:31.23 | karsten-ib | peterS: use the opforce, peterS |
| 10:32.10 | ma3x | how do I modify iso file? let's say the contents of image.iso is file1,fil2. how do I add file3 to the image file? |
| 10:32.17 | ma3x | and then save it of course? |
| 10:32.53 | karsten-ib | ma3x: dump it to a filesystem, modify, mkisofs |
| 10:33.00 | liable | mount it, futz it, save it |
| 10:33.00 | wols_ | ma3x: mount the iso file on loppback. copy everything to a new place and add the file. the make a new iso with mkisofs |
| 10:33.01 | RichiH | karsten-ib: thanks, btw |
| 10:33.09 | karsten-ib | RichiH: NP. |
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| 10:33.19 | wols_ | liable: can you edit a loopback mounted iso? |
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| 10:33.53 | liable | wols_: dont think so, but good point in my lacking solution |
| 10:34.08 | ma3x | wols_, I can add it even to a bootable (debian) disk? it won't become unbootable? |
| 10:34.23 | fs-a | karsten-ib: i haven't read the gfdl, but if only 'parts' of the work are non-free then i'd considered it less 'open' than say.. bsd that allows getting a program and completely closing it in a future release. |
| 10:34.33 | ma3x | this mkisofs is complicated, there is no frontend for it? |
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| 10:34.37 | wols_ | ma3x: it will become unbootable. unless you add the (floppy) image to the new iso again. mkisofs can do this too |
| 10:35.00 | liable | wols_: of course i should have included, save as, then futz then save, then mkisofs :) |
| 10:35.17 | guir10 | kernell worked fine.. now, how could i access my other HD (with all my files) - ntfs? i tryed out another distro based on Debian, and i could see my other HD with no need to mount it everytime |
| 10:35.18 | peterS | ma3x: there are about 35 frontends, from k3b to xcdroast |
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| 10:35.39 | liable | how is our version of cdrecord going? |
| 10:35.43 | peterS | ma3x: people usually think of those apps as frontends to cdrecord, but they are also frontends to mkisofs |
| 10:35.52 | wols_ | fs-a: but the point is DEBIAN doesn't close the BSD stuff. and debian only cares that its users have free software and that Debian distributes free software. what others do doesn't matter for Debian. and if Debian would distribute a GFDL with inviariants, Debian would violate its own social contract |
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| 10:36.17 | looksaus | trying to install request-tracker3.4 from backports on a sarge system |
| 10:36.23 | peterS | liable: we are waiting for the original author to clarify whether the code is under the GNU GPL, as it says it is, or under the Schilling-Enhanced-GPL, which adds a lot of arbitrary and stupid restrictions |
| 10:36.28 | ma3x | peterS, so what do I click in k3b? new project, and then DATA CD? won't that make it unbootable? |
| 10:36.36 | wols_ | fs-a: and that's why debian can't distribute it but can distribute BSD |
| 10:36.39 | peterS | ma3x: it might. I have never used k3b. |
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| 10:36.54 | wols_ | ma3x: look if it can make a bootable CD |
| 10:37.08 | looksaus | with apache2 installed, it insists on installing apache 1.3, even if rt3.4 depends on apache|apache2 |
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| 10:37.10 | ma3x | wols_, I don't think that k3b can do it |
| 10:37.14 | liable | peterS: oh, that argument is continuing? thats at least nice to see that schilly is wanting to continue to contribute |
| 10:37.18 | fs-a | wols_: ok, i believe it's a matter of perspective. many people i'm sure would believe the "future" of the program is also very important. it's actually large part of the "philosophy" of gpl, not to allow someone in the future to close a program. |
| 10:37.20 | looksaus | any suggestions on why this might be? |
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| 10:38.22 | peterS | liable: he has said in the past that his only concern is not getting a pile of bug reports from users of modified code. we have bent over backwards to make sure users _know_ that they must not send bug reports to Schily. now we shall see whether he really meant what he has been saying all these years, or whether he'll come up with a new reason to give us the proverbial finger |
| 10:38.26 | wols_ | fs-a: yes that's happened with cdrecord of sorts (devloper trying to close it). that's when it forked |
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| 10:39.18 | peterS | liable: I'm not optimistic, frankly |
| 10:39.45 | peterS | liable: people like him may _say_ they are only doing something for one specific reason, but once you take that reason away, they discover that they had other reasons they forgot to tell you about |
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| 10:40.29 | wols_ | peterS: and you have good reasons not to be. but who cares about him anymore? |
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| 10:40.58 | peterS | wols_: anyone who wants to use code he has written needs to care about him. he is still the copyright holder of a lot of code we want to use. |
| 10:41.07 | liable | peterS: he's an unusual character for sure, but from what i have read, at least he still insists that he is still trying to be an oss author. either way i guess it doesnt matter, but as long as we can continue from where he left off, i guess its ok. we cant ignore the fact he was a pioneer in what he did, even though he's been a somewhat controversial developer |
| 10:41.15 | guir10 | i have another HD (windows - ntfs).. how could i access it (read/write/execute) without the need to mount it everytime i reboot (even when not logged as root)? |
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| 10:42.09 | peterS | liable: he has been a liability for years. sure, his product works for a lot of people, but we have had to route around him time after time, and I am quite frankly grateful for the future prospect of _not_ having my CDRW drive hostage to his whims |
| 10:42.16 | wols_ | peterS: he released it as free software. and debian keeps it that way |
| 10:42.34 | wols_ | !ntfs |
| 10:42.34 | dpkg | [ntfs] Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs |
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| 10:43.20 | liable | peterS: fair enough. he still made a good product though, and even if he has turned into a BDFH he still has made a positive contribution |
| 10:43.23 | peterS | wols_: that's the question. did he in fact release it under the terms of the GNU GPL, or did he actually release it under the terms in his head, which include the GNU GPL plus his own bizarre interpretations? Debian always tries to respect the author's interpretation of a license, in cases where that interpretation is more restrictive than alternative interpretations |
| 10:43.51 | peterS | liable: that is why we care about wodim at all. it's got all kinds of warts, but we don't have anything better yet. |
| 10:44.14 | liable | i gladly leave the interpretations to the legal team :) |
| 10:44.19 | wols_ | liable: he always was one :( |
| 10:45.00 | wols_ | peterS: he DOES claim the GPL is not valid in germany btw. (he is a fellow german unfortunately) |
| 10:45.24 | peterS | wols_: yeah, he needs to talk to Harald Welte, then. this would be the Harald Welte of gpl-violations.org, who recently won a court case about the GPL |
| 10:45.32 | wols_ | I know |
| 10:46.12 | wols_ | in our local german slashdot-type of sorts site he was curiously silent when this was reported... (he often extols the virtues of slowaris there and bashes linux and the gpl) |
| 10:46.18 | liable | wols_: to me it doesnt so much matter wether hes an asshole or not. as long as we can use his code, and he made a positive contribution to oss, it cant be a bad thing, no matter how eccentric he is :) |
| 10:46.48 | guir10 | well.. i am a new linux user.. i installed another debian based distro b4 and it showed me my other HD just as if it was a linux one (same folder as floppy, cd, linux-hd).. |
| 10:46.51 | peterS | wols_: heise.de? I don't read it because I don't know German, but it doesn't surprise me that he was quiet when that story came out |
| 10:46.53 | guir10 | is it too hard to make? |
| 10:47.12 | wols_ | peterS: yes |
| 10:47.19 | wols_ | liable: Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes |
| 10:47.32 | wols_ | "I fear the greek when they bring presents" |
| 10:47.36 | liable | engrish version of that please |
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| 10:47.42 | wols_ | in this case s/greeks/schily/ |
| 10:47.49 | wols_ | refers to the trojan horse |
| 10:47.57 | peterS | wols_: the English idiom is "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts" |
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| 10:48.30 | Kartagis | !info nslookup |
| 10:48.36 | wols_ | peterS: stupid anglos can't translate latin properly :P Timeo is first person singular. "I" |
| 10:48.41 | peterS | liable: _if_ we can use his code. so far it is not clear that he will allow it, and it's not a great idea to interpret a license contrary to how the copyright holder intends it. intent matters, especially since there's a lot of written evidence for his intent |
| 10:48.54 | Kartagis | heh |
| 10:49.08 | peterS | Kartagis: it's in dnsutils, I believe |
| 10:49.09 | Kartagis | dpkg isn't answering me |
| 10:49.11 | wols_ | Kartagis: what do you need to know? it's deprecated (if handy) |
| 10:49.13 | wols_ | use dig |
| 10:49.16 | wols_ | !test |
| 10:49.16 | dpkg | Yes, wols_, you're still online. |
| 10:49.20 | peterS | wols_: that's in dnsutils too |
| 10:49.29 | peterS | wols_: if he doesn't have nslookup, he won't know where to find dig either (: |
| 10:49.37 | wols_ | true |
| 10:50.08 | liable | peterS: isnt his old code under the gpl and it legally he really retract it due to many people already using that code (or something to that effect) |
| 10:50.46 | peterS | liable: his restrictive interpretation of the GPL goes back several years. he hasn't significantly changed his stance in all that time, it's just that most people didn't notice |
| 10:50.46 | Guerin | right |
| 10:50.48 | liable | peterS: i thought that was the whole point of debians fork |
| 10:50.51 | Guerin | that was my understanding |
| 10:50.52 | wols_ | peterS: it would be the first retraction of GPL code if it comes to that, no? |
| 10:51.17 | wols_ | liable: he could still sue, and debian despises lawsuits even more than closed source software :) |
| 10:51.17 | Guerin | i thought the cdrkit in debian was based on the last gpl release? |
| 10:51.33 | Guerin | code retraction is practically impossible given the gpl |
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| 10:51.55 | peterS | Guerin: depends on how you look at it. it's based on the code which is labeled as GPL ... but that's only one of two problems. the second problem is that the copyright holder has his own restrictive interpretation of the GPL itself |
| 10:51.56 | tarzeau | does it blink? http://www.plextor.com/english/support/support.html |
| 10:52.01 | Guerin | if he ACTUALLY released it under a plain old gpl, then regardless of intent he has no grounds for complaint |
| 10:52.18 | liable | yerp |
| 10:52.22 | Guerin | peterS: did he not release it under the gpl, per FSF? |
| 10:52.25 | peterS | Guerin: we believe he has no grounds, but it's unwise to deny the intent of the copyright holder for your own advantage |
| 10:52.41 | [GABRI] | with ettercap i don't know why i can't see a password of my router |
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| 10:53.03 | peterS | Guerin: he has always (well, for years now) said "this code is GPL, and I interpret that to mean........" and believe me, those ....... are a bit ugly |
| 10:53.08 | Guerin | peterS: seems open and shut to me. If his intent was other than to release under the gpl, he had the opportunity to release under any other license he liked |
| 10:53.09 | wols_ | Guerin: as the copyright holder he could stil sue since he has standing on the code |
| 10:53.48 | wols_ | Guerin: if I were to take his position, I couldn't do that for him. courts would reject my suit. His they wouldn't |
| 10:53.53 | Guerin | wols_: no. The only argument here is the validity of the GPL, and the interpretation of it. |
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| 10:54.02 | peterS | Guerin: in the past few months he has relicensed part of his code to the CDDL, which is Sun's anti-GPL, and that is what caused the actual cdrkit fork. but the original problem of his restrictive interpretation of the GPL still remains |
| 10:54.11 | Guerin | the problem with that is that it's an issue of jurisprudence |
| 10:54.27 | wols_ | Guerin: no. the question is, can he sue before a court about it. and he can. He would lose to 99% everywhere, but he can sue. See SCO |
| 10:54.32 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, so THAT code isn't usable |
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| 10:55.00 | Guerin | wols_: so he sues, and loses. Would he do so, at great personal and financial cost, and no gain? |
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| 10:55.14 | wols_ | Guerin: you know that we talk about schily here, right? |
| 10:55.31 | Guerin | wols_: because sun ain't going to want to fund this, given their own releases of code under the gpl and other fee licenses |
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| 10:55.43 | Guerin | wols_: yes; he might be an eejit but he's not insane |
| 10:55.53 | peterS | Guerin: the problem is that he has made his license interpretation fairly clear over the past few years, you can't just ignore it saying "we thought the code was GPL according to the FSF interpretation". we know that is not his intent, and it's pretty easy to demonstrate that we know this |
| 10:56.27 | wols_ | imho hw ia borh. bur that's my personal opinion |
| 10:56.34 | liable | its all well to bag the shit out of him, but he has supplied free code for many years, why would he sue for others to keep using or fork his old code, seems conterproductive, and most likely he is just a bit of an attention whore :) |
| 10:56.35 | wols_ | *he is both |
| 10:56.35 | Guerin | peterS: no. There is a GPL. An interpretation exists. If his interpretation differs from that commonly held, his responsibility is to make that clear in modifications to the license. |
| 10:56.43 | Guerin | peterS: which under the gpl isn't possible. |
| 10:57.07 | wols_ | liable: cause he recently tried to get more money from it by license changes and stuff |
| 10:57.31 | wols_ | at least IIRC the heise threads correctly |
| 10:57.39 | liable | how can you release under the gpl and say someone cant use it because of your personal interpretation of the gpl? |
| 10:57.39 | Guerin | peterS: IANALIMHO |
| 10:57.40 | peterS | Guerin: it still makes a difference whether the code is actually released under the GNU GPL, or released under the "GPL as interpreted by Schily". the latter is what is claimed by the code itself. |
| 10:58.03 | Guerin | peterS: by that logic, I can release anything under anything, and claim anything about it. |
| 10:58.07 | peterS | Guerin: he didn't modify the license text itself, but he _did_ set out his intent in code and documentation comments |
| 10:58.11 | liable | exaclty |
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| 10:59.02 | Guerin | peterS: i can license something under the MPL, and accompany it with a message which says 'I interpret the MPL to be functionally equivalent to the LGPL, and here is my justification' |
| 10:59.06 | liable | if thats the case, then the gpl needs a big fucking clause in it |
| 10:59.11 | Guerin | no |
| 10:59.19 | Kartagis | what's a package key?, |
| 10:59.28 | Guerin | an accepted interpretation needs to be established by a court |
| 10:59.36 | liable | "this isnt open to your personal interpretation" |
| 10:59.58 | wols_ | liable: that's nonsensical |
| 11:00.07 | Guerin | nobody would buy it, anyway |
| 11:00.09 | peterS | Guerin: who is to say the GPL is the complete license text for cdrecord, or whether it's only part of the license? Schily is the one who decides that. |
| 11:00.13 | liable | wols_: i am a nonsensiacal kind of guy |
| 11:00.17 | wols_ | only one who can definitevly interpret it is a court. not the FSF, not you, not anyone else |
| 11:00.49 | wols_ | peterS: he can't retroactively change it. but yes, your "intent" thing is a possible problem |
| 11:00.59 | liable | i also cant seem to type a sentence without a spelling error tonight |
| 11:01.01 | wols_ | and he made it clear on numerous times how he interprets it |
| 11:01.09 | Guerin | peterS: but he already decided it, for past releases. Else he'd have made it clear. You can't release something under a license, and then later say ';oh wait, i meant to license these other bits under some other license' and then expect that to apply rtrospectively |
| 11:01.17 | peterS | wols_: right, we are not worried about retroactive changes. his intent goes back to 2001 or so, we don't want to use code older than that anyway, or there would be no problem |
| 11:01.28 | cydork | fuck i hate rains! |
| 11:01.42 | liable | water is gold |
| 11:02.06 | cydork | liable: i like beer more than water :P |
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| 11:02.18 | Guerin | beer is 94% water |
| 11:02.26 | liable | cydork: i cant afford to shower in beer :/ |
| 11:02.26 | Guerin | it's the 6% that makes it good :) |
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| 11:02.58 | peterS | Guerin: if the places where he adds these restrictions were recent modifications, we wouldn't have a problem, we'd just go back a few months. but these restrictions go back several years, and we don't want to use a cdrecord older than that. we'd have to add a lot of features back in ourselves, like support for 2.6 kernels. |
| 11:02.59 | cydork | Guerin: true, very true. |
| 11:03.17 | liable | Guerin: or 2.5% if you are american :) |
| 11:03.44 | Guerin | peterS: did he actually license them differently, or make any explicit licensing claims other than his interpretation? |
| 11:03.47 | Guerin | liable: heh |
| 11:04.08 | joeyjones | seems gcc from apt-get doesn't work for me... |
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| 11:04.17 | cydork | !doesn't work |
| 11:04.17 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 11:04.23 | wols_ | damn you were faster |
| 11:04.34 | cydork | wols_: yay :) |
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| 11:05.03 | wols_ | joeyjones: can you edscribe your problem a little bit better? |
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| 11:05.42 | joeyjones | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 11:05.49 | peterS | Guerin: his original claims were comments in the code like "you may not modify the following logic". When confronted about this contradiction with the GPL, he maintained the stance that his interpretation of the GPL, which allows such things, is the correct one. when pressed further, he added language to that effect to his comments and documentation, so that his intent is now quite well documented. he apparently didn't ... |
| 11:05.55 | Guerin | peterS: am I getting you wrong here: are you arguing 'this could be a battle over gpl interpretation' or 'licensors can arbitrarily license their code under anything they like as long as they can make a reasonable claim that it's licensed under something else and get away with it'? |
| 11:05.55 | peterS | ... see the need to clarify his interpretation of the GPL until he was pressed about it. |
| 11:05.59 | joeyjones | or www.jjhosting.net/config.log |
| 11:06.00 | tarzeau | !cannot create executables |
| 11:06.01 | dpkg | The error "C compiler cannot create executables" means you need to install build-essential. |
| 11:06.37 | Guerin | peterS: but that's in clear violation of the GPL. |
| 11:06.37 | garo | Does anyone know a other site with the same purpose as mailinator ? |
| 11:07.09 | Guerin | peterS: essentially, would make 'this logic' not covered by the GPL |
| 11:07.21 | liable | mailinator strangely (or not) reminds me of american pie |
| 11:07.25 | peterS | Guerin: yes - but the copyright holder can't violate his own license, only other people can do that. if the status quo holds up, we shall be forced to _not_ distribute cdrecord-based code _at all_, since it's impossible to comply with the GPL |
| 11:07.44 | Guerin | peterS: I understand your point now. |
| 11:07.46 | wols_ | Guerin: but the linux community let it slide and used his code even after he went all "the world according to schily"... |
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| 11:07.59 | joeyjones | tarzeau: thanks |
| 11:07.59 | wols_ | garo: dodgeit.com |
| 11:08.03 | Guerin | so it's 'my bad' on the part of everyone else |
| 11:08.08 | Guerin | that's amazingly stupid |
| 11:08.19 | dondelelcaro | welcome to the joy of copyright law |
| 11:08.27 | Guerin | yes indeed |
| 11:08.34 | peterS | Guerin: Schily can distribute his code under whatever conditions he wants. we believe his license is self-contradicting, but that's only a problem for us as third-party distributors, not a problem for him as copyright holder. also not a problem for him because he lives in Schily-land where logic works differently from here |
| 11:08.50 | liable | imho, thats a hole in the gpl that needs to be fixed, you cant release code under a license under your personal interpretation, its like me having my own interpretation of murder |
| 11:08.51 | garo | thanks |
| 11:08.53 | Guerin | peterS: and Must Not Be Changed |
| 11:09.06 | peterS | Guerin: Schily-land must be a really trippy place to live |
| 11:09.08 | wols_ | liable: it's a hole in the enforcement of the GPL, not the GPL itself |
| 11:09.24 | Guerin | liable: well, not really: the onus is on licensees to make sure they can meet the requirements of the code |
| 11:09.33 | Guerin | s/code/license/ |
| 11:09.37 | wols_ | peterS: yes. you have to run solaris 24/7 there :) |
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| 11:10.00 | liable | Guerin: but the license is as is, but he has said he has a "special" interpretation of it |
| 11:10.07 | peterS | wols_: we (of the cdrkit team) are hoping OpenSolaris adopts cdrkit. that would be really funny. |
| 11:10.17 | liable | hah |
| 11:10.22 | Guerin | so in other words, it should be possible to strip out 'this logic' and distribute the rest - on the other hand, that's arguably just as legally precipitous as distributing the whole bag |
| 11:10.32 | wols_ | peterS: you are evil. EVIL! :P |
| 11:10.37 | liable | that would be a slap in the face |
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| 11:11.02 | cydork | peterS: i will love to see that :) |
| 11:11.06 | peterS | Guerin: right. Albert Cahalan has produced a patch that removes all the naughty bits from the code, so that it actually looks like pure GPL version 2 and doesn't annoy users with propaganda about how evil Linux and SuSE and Debian are. however, we are very hesitant to apply this patch, even though we really want to. |
| 11:11.06 | Guerin | liable: regardless: if he says (and essentially by saying 'you can't change this' he is' that some code isn't GPL, then it ain't |
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| 11:11.37 | liable | Guerin: by comments in the code? |
| 11:11.46 | Guerin | peterS: yeah. That's the burn test, because at that point he has all the ammo he needs |
| 11:12.18 | Guerin | liable: comments in the code are documentation - there's nothing in the gpl which says you need to license an entire file under one license. |
| 11:12.20 | liable | meh, anyway, good luck to him and us |
| 11:12.41 | peterS | Guerin: yep. so joerg jaspert emailed him privately to see whether our extensive efforts to make _sure_ users know they should not bother Schily about bugs in our version make him happy enough to let us remove his propaganda. if he says no, I'm not sure what we will do |
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| 11:13.22 | peterS | I'm not in the loop on this private email exchange, btw, so I don't know how it is going |
| 11:13.22 | Guerin | peterS: back to l120 for everyone! |
| 11:13.27 | Guerin | ls120, even |
| 11:13.30 | peterS | haha |
| 11:13.34 | peterS | we still have zip-250, dude |
| 11:13.39 | Guerin | woah |
| 11:13.43 | Guerin | i forgot about them |
| 11:13.50 | wols_ | Guerin: I heard the zipdrive drivers are very matures. shame the hardware isn't :) |
| 11:13.54 | peterS | ls120 > zip100, but zip250 > ls120. so. |
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| 11:14.42 | liable | bot |
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| 11:14.51 | Guerin | peterS: so what are the practicalities of going back to pre-madness cdrecord? |
| 11:15.01 | peterS | Guerin: seriously, what will happen in the future is that alternative solutions based on things like libburn will emerge. the main reason for the cdrkit project is to make sure we have something solid for the etch release, since the alternative CD/DVD writing solutions are not mature enough yet |
| 11:15.11 | joeyjones | lol... "checking for OPENSSL... configure: error: Could not find openssl's crypto library" but openssl is installed... |
| 11:15.21 | Guerin | ok, you anticipated my question |
| 11:15.23 | peterS | joeyjones: maybe you forgot to install libssl-dev |
| 11:15.24 | wols_ | joeyjones: the dev package |
| 11:15.25 | Guerin | that scares me |
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| 11:15.59 | peterS | Guerin: the pre-madness cdrecord is also pre-linux-2.6, so it would take ... a certain amount of hacking to make it look at all modern. |
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| 11:16.28 | Guerin | peterS: but other than dev-hours, are there the usual cleanroom requirements? |
| 11:16.36 | wols_ | I am not sure if one could call cdrecord modern in any way |
| 11:16.44 | joeyjones | peterS: installing that made no difference... |
| 11:16.52 | wols_ | I didn't like it at all even when I had a scsi burner, never mind ide |
| 11:17.01 | Guerin | because finding kernel hackers who demonstrably haven't seen that code don't sound liek fun to be |
| 11:17.11 | peterS | joeyjones: well, that's what you get on Debian. complain to the person who wrote the software you're trying to install, I guess |
| 11:17.18 | joeyjones | lol |
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| 11:17.52 | peterS | Guerin: I don't know that I'd worry too much about clean-rooming it. the bits that make cdrecord non-free/non-distributable are not the bits that would be copied into the new implementation |
| 11:18.13 | cydork | peterS: which package are you trying to compile? are you sure it's not in debian? |
| 11:18.20 | peterS | cydork: not me, joeyjones |
| 11:18.48 | peterS | joeyjones: also read config.log to see what went wrong, maybe you can figure out how to fix it that way |
| 11:18.56 | cydork | bahh.. |
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| 11:19.23 | peterS | kawfeh |
| 11:19.42 | [GABRI] | with ettercap i don't know why i can't see a password of my router |
| 11:20.20 | liable | is that like tcpdump? |
| 11:20.29 | cydork | !info ettercap |
| 11:20.32 | dpkg | ettercap: (Multipurpose sniffer/interceptor/logger for switched LAN), section net, is optional. Version: 1:0.7.3-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 193 kB, Installed size: 424 kB |
| 11:20.34 | peterS | Guerin: however, it'd probably still be best not to blatantly copy code from cdrecord into modern-app-from-ancient-cdrecord. a clean-room process would probably be best even if you couldn't guarantee that nobody had looked at the modern source |
| 11:20.57 | wols_ | [GABRI]: do you see cleartext otherwise? is the password hashed in any ways? whazt is the protocol? |
| 11:21.24 | [GABRI] | mm wols_ is http |
| 11:21.30 | [GABRI] | mm wols_ http://192.168.1.1 |
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| 11:21.36 | wols_ | doesn't http base64 encode it? |
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| 11:21.46 | [GABRI] | i don't know |
| 11:21.47 | wols_ | and http, you can also use wireshark |
| 11:21.49 | liable | [GABRI]: first it might be good to explain why exactly you need to do this |
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| 11:22.19 | [GABRI] | mmm wols_ do you know how inject in msn conversation? |
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| 11:23.15 | shiroi | hi |
| 11:23.17 | petemc | whisky tango foxtrot |
| 11:23.20 | liable | [GABRI]: /j #l33t_h4x0r5 |
| 11:23.44 | wols_ | !nickometer [GABRI] |
| 11:23.46 | dpkg | '[GABRI]' is 97.530% lame, wols_ |
| 11:24.33 | Guerin | !wayttd [GABRI] |
| 11:24.33 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, [GABRI]? |
| 11:24.34 | enouf | haha |
| 11:24.56 | Guerin | and please don't say 'haxx0r my sisters msn chat lol' |
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| 11:25.19 | wols_ | Guerin: my guess is shocking his elder sister's msn contacts with obscene comments, but daddy locked down the router |
| 11:25.22 | liable | but her friend is h0t lol!!??! |
| 11:25.38 | Guerin | wols_: i was thinking something of the sort |
| 11:26.01 | Guerin | wols_: or maybe he has a legitimate need for plausible deniability |
| 11:26.52 | wols_ | yoU#re too naive |
| 11:27.15 | wols_ | and the way he does it is the wrong wwy anyways if it's that |
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| 11:27.51 | Guerin | wols_: who are you to tell the oppressed man what methods he may use to communicate with other oppressed men? |
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| 11:28.32 | Guerin | presuming for a moment that they are men, in their 40s, pretending to be women, in their teens |
| 11:28.36 | wols_ | I am the one who advocates tor for JAP for that. not some shitty h4x0ring of a single router |
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| 11:28.53 | Guerin | wols_: goodness, you thougth I was being serious. |
| 11:29.08 | wols_ | Guerin: the fbi doesn't need to hack routers btw |
| 11:29.12 | Guerin | haha |
| 11:29.15 | wols_ | and they're at least 50, noth only 40 |
| 11:29.26 | Guerin | no, that's why they all have a secret backdoor |
| 11:29.33 | wols_ | and you totally forgot the overwieght. what were you thinking! |
| 11:29.43 | Guerin | wols_: and the basement thing |
| 11:29.48 | Guerin | parents' basement |
| 11:29.50 | liable | cydork: i have been following, and i cant work it out.. |
| 11:29.52 | Guerin | y'know |
| 11:29.57 | jetscreamer | i see ya'll have been keeping the standards up while i was crashed |
| 11:30.02 | wols_ | no the backdoor is only NSA. And they don't share. The FBI now uses the raid on patriot act grounds |
| 11:30.31 | liable | good to see you guys have been reading /. and reddit |
| 11:30.53 | [GABRI] | mm wols_ i need logging all traffic and passwor dof my net |
| 11:31.03 | wols_ | cambodian justice papers should be vrey very short no? |
| 11:31.21 | liable | write em on a tally-ho prolly |
| 11:31.26 | wols_ | [GABRI]: if it's YOUR net why don't you know all the passwords? |
| 11:32.08 | enouf | peterS: not sure whetehre to bring this up here or over in cdrkits channel , but I happen to (somewhat) know some very talented people who are directly connected to the world of "all you need to know about cd writing" .. IOW this community of ppl is worldwide and of all sorts shapes and sizes - they are constantly on the cutting edge .. checking out the latest hardware and/or blank media, running tests - and the firmware writers are the one |
| 11:32.08 | enouf | rely on this community (it's a give-n-take obviously) -- also, atleast one has gone on to work for nero. My question is, should I even consider poking around, establishing contacts again? Do we need "coders"? and if so, I guess they would they be required to work with already existing code. |
| 11:32.19 | enouf | not sure where* |
| 11:32.21 | Guerin | wols_: if you write about what justice there *is*, then yes. If you write about what justice there *isn't* then they're very long indeed. |
| 11:32.38 | enouf | not sure whether* .. duh! |
| 11:32.56 | pitillo | a net with plain text.... seems to be a untrusted net. And try to log encripted info.... without the decription algorithm, quite difficult. |
| 11:33.32 | [GABRI] | mm wols_ i am probing ettercap |
| 11:33.52 | liable | poor ettercap, be gentle.. |
| 11:34.18 | wols_ | Guerin: you need more mathematics (or C): !justice Paper written. all for the price of one word and a single punctuation thingie |
| 11:34.21 | Guerin | [GABRI]: you do not need to hack your own rouoter. It is yours. Therefore you must be bhacking someone else's router. This is Not SUpported. |
| 11:34.40 | Guerin | wols_: heh |
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| 11:37.45 | aidan | could someone explain this message to me: http://rafb.net/paste/results/8ZpAy682.html |
| 11:38.54 | Trewas | enouf: that group sounds so mysterious that it must have something to do with warez and circumventing cd copy-protections? :) |
| 11:38.55 | SlayerXP | aidan: it means _exactly_ what it says |
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| 11:39.04 | SlayerXP | aidan: which bit do you not understand? |
| 11:39.11 | aidan | SlayerXP: I'm sure it does, however I don't understand it. What's an MD superblock? |
| 11:39.36 | SlayerXP | aidan: it means that disk has previously been part of a linux software raid set |
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| 11:39.59 | ThomasPorter | Do I do free -m to check how much ram is on my server? |
| 11:40.28 | aidan | SlayerXP: It should still be, I just did an apt-get upgrade, I don't want to change any of the settings |
| 11:40.31 | SlayerXP | ThomasPorter: I don't lnow., do you? |
| 11:40.37 | SlayerXP | err know |
| 11:40.41 | ThomasPorter | Nope. |
| 11:40.53 | ThomasPorter | Someone told me it does. |
| 11:40.58 | ThomasPorter | But I thought i'd check |
| 11:41.07 | ThomasPorter | Because I did a command once that deleted everything on the box. |
| 11:41.14 | aidan | what's man free say about it? |
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| 11:41.22 | SlayerXP | ThomasPorter: probably a good idea that you don't have root on a server then |
| 11:41.30 | ThomasPorter | Agreed. |
| 11:42.04 | aidan | SlayerXP: The hardware hasn't changed, so it's still part of a software RAID (mirroring). What should I do? |
| 11:42.21 | wols_ | ThomasPorter: before trying a new unknown command, check its manpage |
| 11:42.24 | wols_ | "man free" |
| 11:42.28 | SlayerXP | aidan: that may be just a warning |
| 11:42.54 | ThomasPorter | Yes I know that now |
| 11:43.08 | aidan | how do I check of the MD driver is a module, or compiled into the kernal? |
| 11:43.10 | SlayerXP | aidan: from the context, it looks like an informational dialog. |
| 11:43.20 | enouf | Trewas: well - maybe , maybe not -- I can't say for sure - but each is his own individual -- perhaps they collectively promote an open media standard |
| 11:43.21 | SlayerXP | aidan: lsmod |
| 11:43.34 | wols_ | aidan: lsmod, looking at the /boot/.confg-* of your kernel, etc |
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| 11:44.23 | aidan | I see md 49008 6 raid5,raid0,raid1 in lsmod |
| 11:45.03 | aidan | that means it's a module, right? |
| 11:45.19 | SlayerXP | aidan: take a wild guess. |
| 11:45.23 | Trewas | enouf: but anyway, I don't know how much actual coding there is to do with cdrkit and everything there is must fit with the rest of the old code, libburn or something might be more interesting if actual coding is the point of interest |
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| 11:45.47 | aidan | SlayerXP: haha, forgive me for being overcautious, it's a production box and I'm not entirely sure I'm doing the right thing |
| 11:45.59 | Trewas | enouf: as it is a newer project with less old cruft, and many features are still missing |
| 11:46.04 | SlayerXP | aidan: then log out, and wait for someone who is entirely sure to come along. |
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| 11:46.36 | aidan | SlayerXP: I have to weigh up paying someone to admin our server, or doing it myself |
| 11:46.59 | SlayerXP | aidan: if you stuff it up entirely, how much will it cost you to rebuild from scratch? |
| 11:47.08 | enouf | Trewas: ok .. understood |
| 11:47.24 | aidan | SlayerXP: many hundreds |
| 11:47.40 | aidan | SlayerXP: hopefully probability is on my side |
| 11:47.42 | Guerin | aidan: multiply that by ten |
| 11:47.55 | Guerin | aidan: because that's likely how many times you'll fuck it up |
| 11:47.57 | SlayerXP | aidan: and recovering all your data? |
| 11:48.09 | aidan | SlayerXP: all our data is rsynced nightly |
| 11:48.18 | Guerin | and then calculate the amount of time you spend at a sensibley modest hourly rate, like say $50/hour |
| 11:48.25 | aidan | it's just paying the colo people to access our box |
| 11:48.40 | SlayerXP | aidan: you're confusing copying data for backing it up, but never mind |
| 11:49.01 | blondie | backing up is copying. |
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| 11:49.25 | wols_ | blondie: it's more than that |
| 11:49.30 | blondie | but it's still copying |
| 11:49.38 | wols_ | copying is necessary but not enough |
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| 11:50.55 | enouf | wth is 'colo' mean again .. I knew once but it always reminds me of shorthand for lists, like c.o.l.misc and such |
| 11:51.06 | wols_ | enouf: colocation |
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| 11:51.16 | wols_ | server is actually phyisically in a datacenter but belongs to a client |
| 11:51.29 | enouf | wols_: thanks - meaning support from others, elsewhere? |
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| 11:51.51 | enouf | wols_: ahh .. I see.. thanks |
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| 11:52.06 | enouf | Trewas: thanks too for your info |
| 11:53.06 | aidan` | I hear what you're saying, but it's important to be realistic |
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| 11:55.44 | enouf | aidan: : you said "<aidan> SlayerXP: It should still be, I just did an apt-get upgrade, I don't want to change any of the settings" why not an Update first? |
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| 11:55.57 | whyme | hey there, just a quickie - wanting to install a 64-bit debian using the minimal install CD and t'internet... but I can't find the x86-64 release... am I looking for the wrong thing? |
| 11:56.29 | aidan` | enouf: I did the update first, of course |
| 11:56.58 | aidan` | I have one package being kept-back, apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't do anything, what else can I try? |
| 11:57.06 | cydork | whyme: coz it's amd64 |
| 11:57.10 | Guerin | aidan: wait, it's probably a missing dep |
| 11:57.31 | cydork | !amd64 |
| 11:57.31 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 11:57.34 | enouf | ok .. you didn't say previously is all .. Try aptitude on the command line and use the simulation function (apt-get -s) |
| 11:57.56 | whyme | cydork: tta very muchly |
| 11:58.23 | enouf | aidan`: I guess aptitude -s , but not sure - see man aptitiude |
| 11:58.25 | aidan` | shouldn't dist-upgrade download those deps, gungnir? |
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| 11:58.45 | jetscreamer | unless it sarge that happens all the time |
| 11:58.55 | aidan` | it's sarge |
| 11:58.56 | jetscreamer | package not available |
| 11:58.56 | enouf | aidan`: IIRC, dist-upgrade actually removes the old versions too |
| 11:59.07 | enouf | !dist-upgrade |
| 11:59.07 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'sarge->etch', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
| 11:59.38 | aidan` | !kept-back |
| 12:00.06 | aidan` | !keptback |
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| 12:00.27 | enouf | aidan`: that's confusing .. earlier you said you apt-get upgrade not dist-upgrade - butperhaps I'm not following |
| 12:00.35 | azeem | !kept back |
| 12:00.35 | dpkg | it has been said that kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade". The safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
| 12:00.39 | azeem | aidan`: try to /msg the bot |
| 12:01.25 | liable | sarge shouldnt realy have kept back packages, i think i have only needed dist-upgrade once |
| 12:01.25 | aidan` | ah |
| 12:02.05 | liable | which was quite possibly from marillat anyway |
| 12:02.10 | liable | i cant remember |
| 12:02.24 | aidan` | ah |
| 12:02.30 | aidan` | it's a dotdeb vs bpo problem |
| 12:02.42 | liable | there you go |
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| 12:03.33 | jetscreamer | !bpo |
| 12:03.34 | dpkg | from memory, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions on how to only get specific backports. ask me about <backports> |
| 12:03.37 | jetscreamer | oh |
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| 12:04.38 | jetscreamer | hm ff stopped opening when i click a link in xchat |
| 12:05.01 | enouf | kill ff |
| 12:05.14 | jetscreamer | oh doh... |
| 12:05.33 | annoia | I'm tring to get iptables working - I've compiled the module ip_tables, but when I run iptables -L (Should just be empty) I get: iptables v1.3.5: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
| 12:05.36 | jetscreamer | it was opening tabs in an open instance i forgot about |
| 12:05.43 | enouf | haha |
| 12:05.50 | Guerin | annoia: use a debian kernel |
| 12:06.11 | annoia | guerin - No. :) |
| 12:06.20 | Guerin | annoia: ENOTSUPPORTED |
| 12:06.27 | Guerin | annoia: good luck in #iptables |
| 12:06.32 | liable | annoia: if you must compile, dont mess with that part of the kernel |
| 12:06.45 | liable | leave all the shit enabled |
| 12:06.55 | jetscreamer | yeh that's actually how i do it |
| 12:06.57 | annoia | liable - Well, it was disabled when I started... |
| 12:07.07 | liable | annoia: doubtfull |
| 12:07.15 | jetscreamer | then you used a custom kernel as a base to work off of |
| 12:07.24 | annoia | nop |
| 12:07.24 | jetscreamer | or a 2.4 maybe |
| 12:07.26 | wols_ | liable: might have started with a kernel.org source |
| 12:07.40 | wols_ | and not copied the debian .config |
| 12:07.42 | annoia | wols_ - Right. :) |
| 12:07.57 | wols_ | annoia: well, you still fucked up in your kernel compile. do it again |
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| 12:08.11 | Guerin | !debian kernel |
| 12:08.11 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
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| 12:08.22 | Guerin | hm |
| 12:08.27 | Guerin | !debian kernel image |
| 12:08.27 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 12:08.30 | Guerin | there it is |
| 12:08.45 | aidan` | enouf: (bit late) I upgraded'd first, then dist-upgraded to resolve that error |
| 12:08.46 | jetscreamer | doesn't the running config of uname -r get sucked in to a pristine make menuconfig, even if it's a kernel.org source? |
| 12:08.52 | liable | erm, even without a .config, iptables is enabled..... |
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| 12:09.07 | liable | so dont bullshit |
| 12:09.12 | wols_ | jetscreamer: only if it's in the kernel dir as .config |
| 12:09.17 | enouf | aidan`: ok - got it resolved ? dotdeb and bpo issues? |
| 12:09.20 | blackelf | hello there |
| 12:09.27 | jetscreamer | i mean /boot/config-whatever |
| 12:09.41 | wols_ | jetscreamer: menuconfig won't fetch it for you |
| 12:09.42 | annoia | guerin - Well, obviously I did it badly, otherwise I wouldn't ask. |
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| 12:09.44 | jetscreamer | everytime i run menuconfig it's just like i run it |
| 12:09.51 | jetscreamer | err... you knwo what i mean |
| 12:09.59 | wols_ | jetscreamer: not with a kernel.org source |
| 12:10.00 | Guerin | annoia: this is the point: use a debian kernel. |
| 12:10.13 | jetscreamer | ah. been a while since i used one from there |
| 12:10.24 | liable | wols_: i just deleted my .config from a vanilla source and all iptables shit is on by defau;lt |
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| 12:11.13 | wols_ | liable: k then. all I know is that stupid kernel.org source always assumes I run tru blu intel :P |
| 12:12.14 | annoia | guerin - So the point is that everyone who compiles their own kerneles "are idiots, who don't know what they [do]"? |
| 12:12.22 | liable | time for bed |
| 12:12.27 | jetscreamer | no, 'most' |
| 12:12.30 | aidan` | enouf: dropping dotdeb now, trying to upgrade all the packages to bpo |
| 12:12.35 | wols_ | annoia: no. the ones who break it needlessly without any knoweldge about kernel compiles are |
| 12:12.39 | wols_ | and he's damn right about that |
| 12:12.43 | Guerin | annoia: the point is that this is not ##kernelnewbies |
| 12:12.44 | enouf | aidan`: ok .. cool |
| 12:12.47 | annoia | wols_ - I didn't break it, I needed a feature... |
| 12:12.48 | azeem | what a stupid factoid |
| 12:12.49 | aidan` | last time I tried, bpo had some issues and I had to come crawling back to dotdeb |
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| 12:12.57 | Guerin | annoia: debian kernels come with iptables. |
| 12:12.59 | jetscreamer | oh then it works just fine |
| 12:13.00 | azeem | !forget debian kernel image |
| 12:13.01 | dpkg | i forgot debian kernel image, azeem |
| 12:13.03 | wols_ | annoia: you did break it. otherwise your needed netfilter would work. QED |
| 12:13.22 | enouf | liable: you too ? ..ZzzZzzZzz sweet dreams |
| 12:13.44 | Guerin | azeem: what about it was untrue or unjust? |
| 12:13.44 | wols_ | annoia: is kernel-package running in the background on your machine right now? |
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| 12:14.01 | tziku | wtf is [rvnamed] ? |
| 12:14.07 | wols_ | Guerin: it _was_ flamebait. not wrong, but still flamebait... |
| 12:14.11 | azeem | Guerin: it was generalizing and, on top of it, insulting to those being generalized |
| 12:14.17 | tziku | www:~# ps aux |grep -c "[rvnamed]" |
| 12:14.17 | tziku | 75 |
| 12:14.26 | yetifoot | I've been using aptitude to install software, now it keeps complaining about can't lock file. I did ps -A but now instances of aptitude or dpkg seem to be running so i deleted the /var/cache/apt/archives/lock file, but it still won't work. can anyone help? |
| 12:14.40 | wols_ | tziku: stop your iptraf |
| 12:14.43 | Guerin | bah |
| 12:14.54 | tziku | oh :) thanks wols_ |
| 12:14.55 | wols_ | tziku: and google it first next time |
| 12:14.58 | jetscreamer | azeem, light! |
| 12:15.07 | annoia | wols_ - Not that I know (or can see) |
| 12:15.08 | Eulex | yetifoot, synaptic, maybe? anyway, you could strace aptitude |
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| 12:15.12 | enouf | Guerin: no stereotypes allowed - only boomboxes :-p |
| 12:15.15 | wols_ | annoia: why not? |
| 12:15.21 | Guerin | it's entirely correct - debian kernel images exist for the people who aren't prepared to put in dozens of hours learning about the kernel config process |
| 12:15.21 | Eulex | yetifoot, or just apt-get |
| 12:15.28 | liable | !kingsleysmite Guerin |
| 12:15.28 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer Guerin: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.288594923808962! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 12:15.29 | aidan` | what's the purge command to get rid of "rc php5-pdo-mysql " |
| 12:15.33 | liable | :P |
| 12:15.42 | yetifoot | Eulex: thanks, i'll try strace |
| 12:15.42 | enouf | haha |
| 12:15.47 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:16.05 | yetifoot | !dpkg one liner alsa |
| 12:16.27 | cydork | yetifoot: /msg alsa one-liner |
| 12:16.31 | cydork | fuck. |
| 12:16.36 | cydork | yetifoot: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 12:16.48 | annoia | wols_ - Probably mainly because I've never heard of it before |
| 12:16.53 | yetifoot | cydork: thanks |
| 12:16.59 | enouf | cydork: too much kawphee ? |
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| 12:17.11 | cydork | enouf: possible :) |
| 12:17.24 | enouf | try the decaf ;-p |
| 12:17.37 | wols_ | !tell annoia about kp-mantra |
| 12:18.12 | azeem | Guerin: sure, but people who want to build their kernel themselves aren't 99% idiots |
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| 12:18.46 | annoia | wols_ - It's easier to remember make menuconfig && make :) |
| 12:19.00 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg is your god |
| 12:19.05 | MtJB | does debian do something funky with the xchat package to make it override my icon selection? |
| 12:19.11 | jelly | my nfs server has gone away, how can I umount the fs? |
| 12:19.19 | azeem | MtJB: what desktop are you running? |
| 12:19.26 | MtJB | azeem: gnome |
| 12:19.43 | jetscreamer | gnome has it's own icon for it, depending on the theme |
| 12:19.44 | cydork | Guerin: i had a pretty good reason to compile my own kernel for my laptop when i was using sarge |
| 12:19.49 | jetscreamer | you don't like the smileyface? |
| 12:20.00 | azeem | MtJB: maybe xchat uses some icons of its own or some obscure ones which are not included in your icon set |
| 12:20.00 | Guerin | cydork: you're probably in the 1% minority |
| 12:20.08 | azeem | MtJB: are all icons overriden? |
| 12:20.23 | MtJB | azeem, no |
| 12:20.32 | jetscreamer | jsut change it |
| 12:20.36 | jetscreamer | my god man |
| 12:20.39 | jetscreamer | (mccoy) |
| 12:20.45 | azeem | just change what? |
| 12:20.49 | jetscreamer | the icon |
| 12:20.50 | MtJB | jetscreamer, i have changed it 1500 times |
| 12:20.53 | MtJB | it doesnt change |
| 12:20.56 | MtJB | thats the problem |
| 12:20.57 | azeem | eh, how do you change an icon? |
| 12:21.05 | azeem | without recompiling the application, that is |
| 12:21.25 | azeem | MtJB: are you sure your icon set covers 100% of the stock icons? |
| 12:21.30 | raf256 | what is the name of current stable and where to get its iso via http? |
| 12:21.38 | jetscreamer | edit the 'shortcut' text editor works fine, or just put a diff icon in /usr/share/icons or pixmaps |
| 12:21.40 | azeem | besides the default icon set and the tango stuff, this is rarely the case |
| 12:21.47 | jetscreamer | but, there is a gnome-xchat now |
| 12:21.51 | MtJB | azeem, i can select the icon i want from the stock directory |
| 12:21.52 | jelly | MtJB: hmm, when I run xchat under xfce, it gets current xfce's icons. |
| 12:22.00 | MtJB | maybe its the theme |
| 12:22.01 | azeem | MtJB: is this about a single icon? |
| 12:22.05 | MtJB | azeem, yes |
| 12:22.10 | azeem | oh, ok |
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| 12:22.26 | azeem | doesn't sound like a big problem to me then |
| 12:22.55 | MtJB | azeem, only because you don't have that stupid smiley face screaming hi at you from your desktop panel |
| 12:22.57 | jetscreamer | i've even changed the 'unknown' generic icon because i didn't like the X |
| 12:23.03 | enouf | raf256: /msg dpkg releases |
| 12:23.18 | jetscreamer | the one that gets in the upper left cornerof the app |
| 12:23.27 | jetscreamer | and the tray |
| 12:23.35 | enouf | raf256: also /topic ...for the current releas |
| 12:24.26 | azeem | MtJB: is this about the notification tray icon? |
| 12:24.50 | MtJB | azeem: no, it is about the icon on the panel across the top of my gnome desktop |
| 12:25.04 | azeem | MtJB: make a screenshot and post it somewhere |
| 12:25.13 | MtJB | azeem, ok |
| 12:25.17 | enouf | MtJB: hide all the desktop icons like a normal person and be done with it - hehe |
| 12:25.30 | jetscreamer | panel |
| 12:25.33 | jetscreamer | taskbar |
| 12:25.38 | MtJB | i must kill the bastids responsible |
| 12:25.39 | jetscreamer | grey thing |
| 12:25.40 | enouf | hide those too |
| 12:25.43 | MtJB | they are making me crazy |
| 12:25.52 | jetscreamer | just change the icon |
| 12:25.54 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 12:26.01 | azeem | MtJB: they are my friends, so I am unlikely to help you now |
| 12:26.11 | enouf | plant a nice south pacific ocean view as the graphic and relax |
| 12:26.11 | jetscreamer | gimp! |
| 12:26.56 | MtJB | azeem: miguel is a good guy |
| 12:27.02 | MtJB | he is my pal |
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| 12:27.24 | azeem | *shrug* |
| 12:27.47 | enouf | !petsmite MtJB |
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| 12:27.47 | MtJB | i am on gimpnet/gnome now, perhaps they have an answer |
| 12:27.52 | dareth | ./join #politics |
| 12:28.14 | _ph00 | that's ##politic afaik |
| 12:28.20 | _ph00 | ##politics |
| 12:28.56 | jetscreamer | they're gonna look at you funny |
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| 12:28.58 | MtJB | may bruce perens return and lead debian to sanity |
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| 12:29.11 | jetscreamer | !worship overfiend |
| 12:29.15 | azeem | MtJB: are you trolling? |
| 12:29.28 | azeem | MtJB: this is an end-user support channel, you are getting off-topic |
| 12:29.28 | MtJB | azeem: not a bit |
| 12:29.37 | MtJB | i am behaving now |
| 12:29.39 | epsilon | if I have a server with amd64 CPU and want to run some 32bit applications, what should I take, amd64-sarge with chroot for 32bit app., if 32bit-sarge? |
| 12:29.42 | MtJB | its the icon that has me crazy |
| 12:29.44 | jetscreamer | i swear to god i thought overfiend was a girl |
| 12:29.48 | epsilon | s/if/or |
| 12:30.04 | azeem | MtJB: if you stopped being off-topic and posted a screenshot, maybe somebody would understand your problem at least |
| 12:30.26 | MtJB | azeem: the problem is i cannot change the icon for xchat |
| 12:30.34 | MtJB | on the gnome desktop |
| 12:31.30 | azeem | MtJB: there can be up to three icons for xchat "on the gnome desktop" |
| 12:31.30 | azeem | so either post a screenshot, or live with it |
| 12:31.30 | x-ip | jejeje |
| 12:31.30 | cydork | epsilon: you can use ia32-libs with amd64 for running 32 bit apps. |
| 12:31.31 | cydork | epsilon: /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 12:32.32 | enouf | cydork : since when are "chickpeas" considered pets? :-p ..what the ef is that (that's what a '/msg dpkg petsmite me' told me) |
| 12:32.40 | sikx- | e |
| 12:33.07 | cydork | enouf: i am lost! huh? |
| 12:33.23 | enouf | cydork: some kind of sick Chia-pet or something .. remember that? |
| 12:33.46 | epsilon | cydork: thx, and I don't understand in https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html the part "I want to run i386 userland with a 64bit Linux kernel" - what's the 2nd scentence with iptables/XFS about? |
| 12:34.07 | enouf | cydork: msg the bot and ask it to petsmite you -- one of the results is a 747 full of "chickpeas" .. lol |
| 12:34.08 | epsilon | can't I use these if I run 32bit sarge? |
| 12:35.16 | raf256 | !smitesmite enouf |
| 12:35.17 | wols_ | epsilon: it means that you can't run i386 userland if you need to use those programs |
| 12:35.19 | cydork | epsilon: nope. |
| 12:35.47 | cydork | epsilon: wait |
| 12:35.57 | cydork | epsilon: you can run those if you run 32 bit sarge. |
| 12:36.00 | enouf | ohnoes .. not the smite smited .. |
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| 12:36.34 | enouf | raf256: find your 3.1r3 sarge ? |
| 12:36.36 | epsilon | eh, useland = 32bit sarge? Or did I misunderstood |
| 12:36.41 | raf256 | enouf: hmm |
| 12:36.54 | raf256 | enouf: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r3/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 12:37.00 | enouf | raf256: hmmm ? that's a mouthful |
| 12:37.14 | enouf | raf256: that's a dvd .. yes |
| 12:38.24 | enouf | epsilon: AFAIK - usually userland requires a chrooted 32bit env (to use 32bit only apps) if you run a true 64bit kernel/OS |
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| 12:38.35 | wols_ | epsilon: no. if you run amd64 by default it's a 64bit userland. only for special programs like flash or such you need 32bit software in a chroot. |
| 12:38.56 | wols_ | epsilon: basically unless you have >4GB RAM, amd64 is not worth the hassle. stay away |
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| 12:39.42 | enouf | epsilon: If I'm not mistaken -- as wols_ is saying .. Flash, Java(?) etc are examples of 32bit only apps |
| 12:39.43 | epsilon | wols_: so... if I have amd64 CPU and want to run debian & custom 32bit apps = which debian? |
| 12:39.56 | Blissex | enouf: wols: in theory one could run without 'chroot' both 32b and 64b executables and libraries. It is almost only some restrictions in DPKG and especially APT that prevent this. |
| 12:40.07 | wols_ | epsilon: i386 |
| 12:40.11 | epsilon | ok |
| 12:40.32 | enouf | Blissex: hmm .. nice to know ... |
| 12:41.13 | wols_ | Blissex: will there be a naming change of debs in the future to allow it? |
| 12:41.18 | epsilon | yea, but I want a stable server just running 24/7 and no experimental hacks |
| 12:41.54 | Blissex | wols_: it is much worse than that: it has already happened :-(. Wait a sec for a link to an apposite rant that I wrote in my blog |
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| 12:42.32 | Blissex | wols_: BTW, some time ago the ''dual architecture'' Debian setup was being defined. I wonder if that is going to be in Etch. |
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| 12:43.01 | wols_ | Blissex: unlikely. debian is always very hesiteant about such big changes |
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| 12:43.11 | wols_ | see 2.4 default kernel in sarge for example... |
| 12:43.17 | epsilon | sounds like 16/32bit hacks in win9x |
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| 12:44.01 | wols_ | Blissex: where is the rant? |
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| 12:44.25 | MtJB | azeem: here is the screenshot - http://joebarr.org/wp-admin/images/Screenshot.png |
| 12:44.29 | cockmongler | hi |
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| 12:44.55 | pipeline | MtJB: hahah, anjuta. Get a real IDE. (Read: Emacs.) |
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| 12:45.02 | azeem | pipeline: stop trolling |
| 12:45.12 | nandex | hello |
| 12:45.18 | pipeline | azeem: Oh, come now: anjuta is terrible :P |
| 12:45.27 | MtJB | pipeline: if emacs included a decent editor, it would be the best os out there |
| 12:45.30 | azeem | MtJB: so what you don't like is the "Hi"-Smiley icon for the panel starter? |
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| 12:45.43 | Tarantulafudge | hey guys |
| 12:45.52 | pipeline | MtJB: The emacs bit was a little tongue in cheek. But Anjuta really is pretty awful by comparison. |
| 12:45.52 | MtJB | azeem: thats part of the problem, the rest of the problem is that i can't change it as i can with other apps |
| 12:45.57 | wols_ | hey gal |
| 12:46.07 | enouf | epsilon: Others can verify - or shoot me down , but if you have an AMD64 CPU, then install Sarge 3.1r1 , use 2.6.8-3-686 kernel - if the installer only does 2.6.8-2-386 or somesuch - upgrade the kernel after installation |
| 12:46.09 | azeem | MtJB: why can't you change it? |
| 12:46.12 | MtJB | pipeline: i have to keep a hand in and see if anything develops, so to speak |
| 12:46.25 | Tarantulafudge | I'm having some trouble keeping ssh sessions alive, they just seem to die after 5-6 hours, any clues? |
| 12:46.41 | wols_ | enouf: I wouldn't want to install sarge on a recent amd64 mobo... chances are the hardware is not supported by 2.6.8 |
| 12:46.57 | MtJB | azeem: because it doesn't change the icon in the panel, even though the selection dialog (properties->icon->pick a new one) lets me pick one, it never changes |
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| 12:46.59 | enouf | goes to look at a smiley - for no other reason than to laugh at it |
| 12:47.11 | joeyjones | Tarantulafudge: why so you need longer sessions? |
| 12:47.19 | Blissex | wols: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/anno05-4th.html#051116 |
| 12:47.25 | Tarantulafudge | joeyjones, using ssh for data tunneling |
| 12:47.25 | azeem | MtJB: you could try to setup a custom application launcher then |
| 12:47.39 | MtJB | azeem: i did, the result is what you see on the screenshot |
| 12:47.52 | MtJB | gnome has just suggested the theme may be responsible |
| 12:47.54 | joeyjones | you could try using screen |
| 12:48.03 | joeyjones | i fidn that the session last between disconnests |
| 12:48.05 | enouf | wols_: ok - I see your point - but would a recent netinstall cd have further support using a newer than 2.6.8 kernel? .. guess not huh? |
| 12:48.15 | azeem | MtJB: well, I have no idea |
| 12:48.24 | azeem | MtJB: which version of Debian/GNOME? |
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| 12:48.39 | MtJB | azeem: thanks for your assistance in any case. i am running etch/gnome 2.14 |
| 12:48.47 | Led_Zeppelin | how do you reconfigure Xorg ? |
| 12:49.08 | _ph00 | dpkf-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 12:49.13 | _ph00 | dpkg* |
| 12:49.19 | aidan` | how can I either force a package to be upgraded (even though it says it's the newest) or force it to be removed (without removing the deps) |
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| 12:49.27 | Led_Zeppelin | thanks |
| 12:49.28 | Tarantulafudge | joeyjones, well, the goal is not that I need a process running, I just need to keep the data tunnel open |
| 12:49.36 | azeem | aidan`: if it is the newest, you cannot upgrade it |
| 12:49.49 | azeem | aidan`: if you remove it, you need to remove package which depend on it as well |
| 12:49.51 | enouf | reads the blog / links in blogs via Blissex |
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| 12:49.55 | azeem | as they would no longer work otherwise |
| 12:49.55 | _ph00 | np, withe such anickname I would do *anything* for ya |
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| 12:50.00 | aidan` | azeem: it's a dotdeb and I want to upgrade it to the BPO package |
| 12:50.08 | azeem | aidan`: eh, no idea then |
| 12:50.16 | aidan` | :( |
| 12:50.17 | azeem | aidan`: well, apt-get install package=1.2.3-4 |
| 12:50.24 | azeem | where 1.2.3-4 is the version from backports.org |
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| 12:50.33 | aidan` | it says it's already got a newer version installed |
| 12:50.41 | CyberTop | hi all |
| 12:50.42 | aidan` | is there no override? |
| 12:50.50 | fasta | When I use Evolution to send a mail, what program exactly sends the mail? Did Evolution implement the protocol or is there just some standard binary that delivers everything (e.g. mail) ? |
| 12:50.51 | nandex | nos vemos, bye |
| 12:50.55 | wols_ | enouf: there are the (unofficial) netins with 2.6.16 or an etch installer |
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| 12:51.15 | macr0 | On my shell, the admin has set stty rows 25 cols 80 . Is there a way to reset stty back to fill my screen normally? |
| 12:51.19 | wols_ | enouf: trouble is, I had various problems with people who installed 2.6.8 on their nforce mobo for example. nastiness abound |
| 12:51.22 | stew | aidan`: did you setup backports.org in your sources.list? |
| 12:51.29 | CyberTop | who helps me? |
| 12:51.38 | wols_ | !help CyberTop |
| 12:51.49 | CyberTop | !help |
| 12:51.56 | whyme | !help |
| 12:52.01 | aidan` | stew: yep |
| 12:52.04 | whyme | !help me |
| 12:52.08 | whyme | !help whyme |
| 12:52.08 | stew | CyberTop: if you have a debian related question, just ask it |
| 12:52.11 | enouf | wols_: ok .. specifically bpo? .. ok I see - good ol' nforce chipsets -- were those mostly the nf4? or the Pro chipsets |
| 12:52.13 | whyme | grr |
| 12:52.20 | Led_Zeppelin | _ph00: does that include monitor configure? |
| 12:52.20 | stew | whyme: if you have a question, ask it |
| 12:52.32 | wols_ | enouf: it's the same with newer intels. nothing special about nf4 |
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| 12:52.44 | stew | aidan`: "apt-cache policy packagename" will list the available versions, "apt-get install packagename=version" to install a particular version from that list |
| 12:52.45 | wols_ | via too I think |
| 12:53.03 | aidan` | stew: ah excellent |
| 12:53.09 | whyme | stew, lol, how do I get from the default 2.4.xx kernel to the 2.6.17 kernel? I want it for the broadcom wifi drivers and the nvidia module. |
| 12:53.12 | CyberTop | I do not succeed to install debian 3.1 |
| 12:53.26 | enouf | wols_: likely the s939s and AM2 mobos then - I really need to test out this s754 sitting here |
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| 12:53.34 | cydork | CyberTop: why not? |
| 12:53.36 | stew | whyme: do you need 2.6.17 or is 2.6.16 good enough? |
| 12:53.43 | wols_ | enouf: no. it was a s754 sempron in that case :) |
| 12:53.49 | CyberTop | it asks me to manually install the driver of the cdrom |
| 12:53.49 | CyberTop | why??? |
| 12:53.50 | whyme | 2.6.17 I'm afraid :( |
| 12:53.55 | enouf | wols_: ugh! ... ouch |
| 12:54.08 | wols_ | enouf: sockets and cpus don't matter. chipsets do |
| 12:54.15 | wols_ | usually it's the sata |
| 12:54.26 | wols_ | and/or the acpi apic stuff |
| 12:54.28 | CyberTop | what I would have to make? |
| 12:54.40 | wols_ | CyberTop: what chipset do you have? |
| 12:54.47 | enouf | wols_: understood - but s754 primarily used the nf2 and nf3 , not nf4 (IIRC) |
| 12:54.48 | aidan` | perfect stew |
| 12:54.50 | wols_ | quite recent intel? |
| 12:54.52 | cydork | CyberTop: installing etch ? sata cdrom? |
| 12:54.58 | Led_Zeppelin | I am having trouble configure X. I have a ATI radeon video card. I keep getting an "FreeFontPath: FPE refcount is 2" |
| 12:55.00 | CyberTop | i have intel 945 |
| 12:55.02 | Led_Zeppelin | any advice? |
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| 12:55.07 | wols_ | enouf: then maybe it was nf3. can't remembre very well |
| 12:55.08 | enouf | and VIA KT800 / 8237 or somesuch |
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| 12:55.14 | stew | whyme: downlod the .deb from http://packages.debian.org/linux-source-2.6.17 then follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg kp"; you will need to make sure you don't build a kernel that requires an initrd |
| 12:55.17 | enouf | wols_: me neither :-) |
| 12:55.17 | CyberTop | hdd sata and cdrom eide |
| 12:55.36 | CyberTop | what I would have to make? |
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| 12:56.23 | wols_ | CyberTop: tried to boot with "linux26" parameter from CD? |
| 12:56.30 | CyberTop | yes |
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| 12:57.24 | CyberTop | I can try to install now, me guides you |
| 12:57.27 | CyberTop | ? |
| 12:57.36 | cydork | CyberTop: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
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| 12:58.12 | wols_ | cydork: no dpkg... |
| 12:58.17 | CyberTop | things are this thing? |
| 12:58.46 | wols_ | CyberTop: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ but also read the FAQ there |
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| 12:59.18 | CyberTop86 | things are this thing? |
| 12:59.38 | Ronin | things are this thing? |
| 12:59.39 | wols_ | sorry you're not making sense. rephrase |
| 12:59.56 | Ronin | !it |
| 12:59.56 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
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| 13:00.28 | cydork | wols_: huh? |
| 13:00.28 | Blissex | wols_: enouf: as you may have read in a link inb that blog entry, there are currently x86 binaries with x64 package suffix... They support running many command line stuff without 'chroot'. |
| 13:00.41 | wols_ | 14:51 -!- dpkg [n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg] has quit [Excess Flood] |
| 13:00.54 | cydork | wols_: ohhh i didn't notice |
| 13:01.03 | cydork | CyberTop: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 13:01.04 | aidan | E: Package php5-pdo-sqlite has no installation candidate |
| 13:01.06 | cydork | fuck |
| 13:01.14 | CyberTop86 | you have some solution? |
| 13:01.15 | aidan | how do I install php5-pdo drivers? |
| 13:01.16 | azeem | wols_: it's back, no? |
| 13:01.19 | azeem | !hi |
| 13:01.19 | dpkg | hello, azeem |
| 13:01.37 | enouf | Blissex: I'm seeing that .. so how to tell the diff? easily ? nah |
| 13:01.49 | wols_ | CyberTop: we gave you several. just read about them |
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| 13:02.24 | enouf | Blissex: oh -- all thos elisted are i386? then |
| 13:02.30 | enouf | those listed |
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| 13:02.59 | CyberTop86 | I must laciare this commando to the boot: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
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| 13:03.11 | kblin | hi |
| 13:03.34 | wols_ | !tell CyberTop86 about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 13:03.45 | chicken_Fire | hello! How can I list the dependencies of a deb? |
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| 13:03.57 | stew | CyberTop86: no, type that into your irc client, and the bot named "dpkg" will give you a url at kmuto.jp with an installer with a newer kernel, you also should read the FAQ on that site |
| 13:04.22 | codemarauder | !tell codemarauder about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 13:04.35 | codemarauder | stew: doesn't work for me :( |
| 13:04.42 | slidesinger | !pcmcia |
| 13:04.42 | dpkg | PCMCIA is a hardware expansion technology for laptop computers. It stands for, "People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms". Ask me about <pcmcia cards>. Okay, okay, the real acronym can be found on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCMCIA Communication is similar to PCI or ISA, but a PCMCIA or CardBus bridge has a credit-card-sized form factor, and many cards are hot-pluggable. |
| 13:04.42 | Blissex | enouf: wols_: there both x64 bit binaries in x86 packages and x86 binaries in x64 packages. Because x64 CPUs can switch between 32 and 64 bit mode per-process, so the kernel can run both 32 and 64 bit processes without any problem. The issue is installing both binaries at the same time. |
| 13:04.54 | whyme | stew: will it hurt me to get the linux-source-2.6.18_2.6.18-1_all.deb? |
| 13:04.57 | stew | dpkg: tell codemarauder about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 13:05.11 | codemarauder | ahh... got it :) |
| 13:05.13 | codemarauder | thanks. |
| 13:05.31 | stew | whyme: probably not. i don't know, i haven't heard much about that kernel |
| 13:06.26 | whyme | stew, ty |
| 13:06.28 | cahoot | whyme: been out for a week - no .1 release yet |
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| 13:06.56 | botox | hi, does debian have a specific method to turn tape compression on? i.e |
| 13:06.57 | botox | mt -f /dev/st0 defcompression 1 |
| 13:06.58 | botox | ? |
| 13:07.11 | botox | this is not working on either on my dlt-7000's |
| 13:07.14 | botox | *of |
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| 13:08.27 | jooopyme | I have a problem automounting smb shares with whitespaces like: "My Pictures" |
| 13:08.49 | kblin | is the best way to allow a couple of user to run aptitude to let them do su? |
| 13:09.49 | stew | kblin: setup sudo |
| 13:10.01 | enouf | Blissex: really? I thought those were only 32bit extensions - and to run on pure64 , the app had to be recoded - I mean I understand the x64 capability of running 32bit apps, but why can it not run "some" 32bit apps like flash (which I loathe anyway) |
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| 13:10.38 | kblin | stew, I'm trying, but if I allow that user to sudo aptitude, I can't get a lock on the package database |
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| 13:11.19 | stew | kblin: are you sure another copy of aptitude / apt-get / dpkg-reconfigure... isn't running which has the lock? |
| 13:11.21 | Blissex | enouf: sure the app has to be recoded. But the CPU can run both, in different processes. |
| 13:12.09 | Blissex | enouf: the problem is that Flash is not an app, it is a shared library, and runs in the same process as the browser. So you can't use a 32b Flash with a 64b browser. |
| 13:12.20 | enouf | Blissex: right .. so it's up to the proprietary nitwits to do that closed-source stuff then .. right? |
| 13:12.21 | plb | Anyone know whats going on with the whole firefox name change thing? |
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| 13:12.35 | whyme | cahoot, huh? |
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| 13:13.08 | Blissex | enouf: in theory, except for DPKG/APT limitations, you could install both the 32b and 64b version of the browser, and use the 32b version when you want to get Flash, for example. |
| 13:13.12 | enouf | Blissex: but macromedia makes many standalone apps .. yes? are those affected as well? (meaning non-working) |
| 13:13.37 | enouf | Blissex: I see.. |
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| 13:14.05 | enouf | Blissex: For that though - you'd need a chroot env..yes? for the 32b browser instance |
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| 13:15.55 | Blissex | enouf: no, you don't need that. It is required only by the DPKG/APT limitations. |
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| 13:16.18 | Muisje | How can i run my .php in the background? |
| 13:16.34 | Muisje | on debian sarge 3.11 |
| 13:16.37 | enouf | Blissex: I'm tired - so don't mind me ... I'm drifting away soon :-) |
| 13:16.51 | Blissex | enouf: don't worry... It is also not a simple issue. |
| 13:17.06 | kblin | stew, d'oh, it's always the simple things |
| 13:17.11 | kblin | stew, thanks anyway :) |
| 13:17.58 | enouf | Blissex: you're sure there's no way to --force install things though -- I'm curious to know what exactly limits the apt/dpkg from installing things - but we'll pick up that again at another time .. thanks |
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| 13:18.38 | enouf | chicken_Fire: wonder if dpkg-query can help list dependencies of .debs |
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| 13:19.46 | enouf | Muisje: I think <command> & will put it as a background process ?? |
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| 13:20.18 | jetscreamer | rdepends? |
| 13:20.21 | Muisje | So i can just type ./myfile.php & and then i can still use the console as normally? |
| 13:21.18 | enouf | jetscreamer: I always think that too -- but when I do say 'apt-cache rdepends mozilla' -- Idon't see to much listed - like libs and such |
| 13:21.26 | wols_ | Muisje: as long as this console stays open: yes |
| 13:21.36 | cahoot | whyme: no immediate bugfixes out |
| 13:21.46 | wols_ | no you want to close it: man nohup |
| 13:21.53 | wols_ | s/no/if |
| 13:22.04 | enouf | jetscreamer: plus they were asking about a deb - not necessarily a pkgname ... hmmm |
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| 13:23.54 | Muisje | if i do ./proxychecker.php & it outputs and i have to do ctrl + c to get out of it |
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| 13:24.07 | Muisje | i want it to automaticly go away but still be running |
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| 13:25.06 | AnAnt | anyone knows how to configure whereami ? |
| 13:25.08 | AnAnt | I cannot differentiate between 2 cases in detecting WiFi connection: the case that interface is shut (radio off) and the case that the interface is on but the interface cannot find any AP during scan |
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| 13:25.47 | enouf | jetscreamer: duh .. and doh--> apt-rdepends perhaps? |
| 13:26.10 | jetscreamer | that's what i was thinking about... |
| 13:26.14 | CyberTop86 | there is someone that speaks Italian? |
| 13:26.23 | jetscreamer | i only used it once though iirc |
| 13:26.25 | cydork | !it |
| 13:26.26 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 13:26.26 | jetscreamer | !it |
| 13:26.28 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 13:26.39 | cydork | CyberTop86: try ^^ |
| 13:26.42 | AnAnt | !ar |
| 13:26.42 | dpkg | i guess ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina |
| 13:26.45 | CyberTop86 | ok |
| 13:26.48 | AnAnt | !eg |
| 13:26.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, eg is Egypt |
| 13:26.51 | jetscreamer | br |
| 13:27.01 | cydork | AnAnt: use /msg dpkg |
| 13:27.07 | AnAnt | ok |
| 13:27.08 | jetscreamer | br for portuguese |
| 13:27.39 | Muisje | http://pastebin.ca/182905 <-- how can i accomplish this? |
| 13:27.51 | enouf | jetscreamer: hah! something like this: apt-rdepends --state-follow=Installed mozilla for Moz does very nicely |
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| 13:27.55 | takisd | just a quickie - went to upgrade my 2.16.2-2-smp kernel to to 2.6.17 from etch and can' find smp version. found some hints on google that smp changed but nothing certain. any ideas? standard kernel ok for smp? |
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| 13:28.52 | jetscreamer | i heard they're all smp enabled now but somebody said different and i never looked |
| 13:29.13 | takisd | jetscreamer: i read something to that affect but not enough to be certain |
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| 13:31.38 | Muisje | wols_ http://pastebin.ca/182905 <-- how can i accomplish this? |
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| 13:32.43 | Fox | Muisje: ./proxychecker.php 2>&1 >/dev/null & |
| 13:33.05 | Muisje | Does that work with any linux OS or only debian? |
| 13:33.25 | Muisje | and i still get that line outputted |
| 13:33.32 | Muisje | I don't want it to output that line |
| 13:33.37 | Muisje | i want it to go in background |
| 13:33.47 | stew | takisd: they are all smp now |
| 13:34.18 | wols_ | Muisje: why are you asking if it wokrs with any linux? |
| 13:34.23 | wols_ | and: fix your php error/warning |
| 13:34.39 | wols_ | and what fox told you will not output anything |
| 13:34.51 | Muisje | Because i'm writing a proxy scanner and i want other linux OS to be also be able to run it as i say they should in the README |
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| 13:35.23 | stew | Muisje: do you want to log those warnings or just throw them away? |
| 13:35.35 | Muisje | throw them away |
| 13:35.46 | Muisje | the important warnings are added to the debug log file |
| 13:35.53 | stew | Muisje: ./proxychecker.php &>/dev/null & |
| 13:36.37 | Muisje | Thank you :) |
| 13:36.58 | Muisje | And that should work with almost any linux OS right? |
| 13:37.07 | Muisje | Or just debian? |
| 13:37.49 | DerJamster | Works with any that have php-cli installed. |
| 13:38.11 | DerJamster | Out of interest, what's the scanner checking? Existance of open ports, or more? |
| 13:38.14 | chicken_Fire | enouf, thanks. I got the answoer on #ubuntu: "dpkg -I" or "apt-cache depends" does the job. |
| 13:38.42 | enouf | chicken_Fire: Ok .. |
| 13:38.44 | Muisje | DerJamster, it's an additional service for my program, which checks blacklists to see if an IRC user who connects matches a blacklist or not. |
| 13:38.56 | DerJamster | ah, okay. |
| 13:38.58 | enouf | chicken_Fire: welcome ..I mean |
| 13:39.04 | Muisje | Since i only am good at writing php, i use php as language. :) |
| 13:39.29 | Muisje | PHP or not, its more affective then most proxy scanners i have met so far. |
| 13:39.56 | DerJamster | If it just checks for open ports, implementing it in other languages should be a piece of cake :> |
| 13:40.41 | Muisje | it checks alot of blacklists and some ports ;) |
| 13:40.54 | cydork | Muisje: ever heard of yaph? |
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| 13:42.12 | grendelson | I'm stuck with reportbug in testing - tried to update last night and reportbug crapped out with pythn script errors, now it reports a bad state and nothign I do seems to work , dpkg install uninstall aptitiude apt-get etc. |
| 13:42.15 | DerJamster | yet another proxy h...humdidum? |
| 13:42.24 | Muisje | no cydork |
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| 13:43.28 | cydork | DerJamster: hunter |
| 13:44.13 | vorsprung | I remember a few years ago there used to be a stream of problems when perl was updated, as dpkg used it |
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| 13:44.40 | vorsprung | now we seem to have "progressed" to python script problems :) |
| 13:45.21 | wols_ | vorsprung: but python is no biggie |
| 13:45.31 | wols_ | not being able to install stuff is |
| 13:45.42 | grendelson | vorsprung, I think(tm) it is python problems but a user here last night pointed out python-everywhere or something was begin used. Anywho - i couldnt get the reportbug package to reinstall to fix it (it recommends reinstalling to remove bad state...) |
| 13:45.57 | grendelson | I have python2.4 |
| 13:46.08 | grendelson | and 2.3 but 2.4 is the on in use now |
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| 13:46.58 | abrotman | bout damn time |
| 13:47.37 | takisd | stew: just read your post, thanks for that. i'll go ahead and upgrade then. |
| 13:47.38 | botox | chainsmoking whippets |
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| 13:47.58 | stew | takisd: (i'm ircing from a smp box with a 2.6.17, so trust me :)) |
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| 13:48.19 | takisd | stew: didn't doubt you for a second ;) |
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| 13:49.16 | quoth | trying to setup debian on a new hp box with a sata raid controller. setup a raid 1 array of two disks, when trying to partition the disks I see /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. how come the array isn't seen as one device? |
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| 13:50.28 | stew | quoth: who makes the controller? |
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| 13:50.41 | chicken_Fire | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.48 | Blissex | quoth: almost all RAID1 host adapters under $150 are not RAID1 host adapters. |
| 13:50.54 | wols_ | !ubuntu |
| 13:50.55 | dpkg | it has been said that ubuntu is 1. Ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. 2. A GNU/Linux distribution that is <Based on Debian>. Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we do not support Ubuntu here. |
| 13:51.02 | stew | chicken_Fire: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu, we don't know |
| 13:51.04 | chicken_Fire | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:51.28 | chicken_Fire | stew but the package is from debian.. and I expect more specialist of .debs here ;) |
| 13:51.51 | craigevil | its not a god idea to mix debian and ubuntu packages |
| 13:51.55 | craigevil | good* |
| 13:52.02 | wols_ | chicken_Fire: we still don't support ubuntu. especially not if you mix packages between distros |
| 13:52.10 | Blissex | chicken_Fire: if you are mixing Debian and Ubuntu packages you are such an advanced guru that we cannot presume to help you :-) |
| 13:52.12 | wols_ | craigevil: it's astandard on ubuntu |
| 13:52.17 | stew | chicken_Fire: we would recommend not installing debian packages onto ubuntu |
| 13:52.21 | chicken_Fire | craigevil, wols_ the package is an official ubuntu-dapper one. |
| 13:52.21 | grendelson | craigevil, Amen :-) |
| 13:53.03 | craigevil | i wouldnt recommend running ubuntu to begin with |
| 13:53.03 | Blissex | chicken_Fire: then you really need to ask #Ubuntu because there are packaging and dependency difference between Debian and Ubuntu. |
| 13:53.13 | Blissex | craigevil: fanatic :-) |
| 13:53.15 | qailer | hello, I've just got quick questions, I'm gonna install new version on my x86-64 intel p4, and then on to i386 machines, one of i386 is server, first, I need raid drivers since I use sata on the server, therefor I wonder, is it stupid running etch on a server? |
| 13:53.33 | qailer | on two i386* |
| 13:53.38 | quoth | stew hp embedded |
| 13:53.46 | quoth | stew think its adaptec |
| 13:53.52 | chicken_Fire | ok Blissex. |
| 13:54.16 | quoth | its says the raid 1 array was made and is verified |
| 13:54.23 | abrotman | qailer: are you sure it's x86_64 ? |
| 13:54.23 | quoth | in the array scsi bios |
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| 13:54.37 | abrotman | qailer: is the server external ? |
| 13:55.01 | stew | quoth: its likely to not be a real raid card, but fakeraid. what does "lspci" say the card is? |
| 13:55.09 | helmut | Hi. Is someone in here who would be willing to "sacrifice" his moinmoin installation by upgrading? (It worked for me, I'd just like to have someone check it.) |
| 13:55.16 | qailer | abrotman: mine is, it does amd64 with no problems(the server is i386 36bit) |
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| 13:55.28 | abrotman | 36bit ? |
| 13:55.31 | qailer | abrotman yes |
| 13:55.32 | stew | quoth: if it is fakeraid, the recommendataion is to treat it as separate devices and use the linux software raid, which is likely to be better than any fakeraid drivers anyway |
| 13:55.42 | nignag | anyone know the latest on the simple-cdd for etch? |
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| 13:56.09 | abrotman | qailer: if it's external .. i personally wouldn't run etch |
| 13:56.34 | pipeline | quoth: Hell, I prefer Linux software raid to even real hardware raid. It's really, really nice. |
| 13:56.37 | nignag | abrotman: what's wrong with etch? |
| 13:56.42 | qailer | abrotman: I just use it as a server(dont't understand what you mean) |
| 13:56.45 | abrotman | no real security updates |
| 13:56.46 | qailer | =/ |
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| 13:57.00 | abrotman | nignag: nothing as far as stability is wrong with etch .. security is iffy |
| 13:57.18 | qailer | how about unstable abrotman |
| 13:57.28 | abrotman | it's called unstable for a reason |
| 13:57.38 | nignag | pipeline: i am about to start on raid1. any suggestion to test that it is working? |
| 13:57.59 | pipeline | nignag: If you have hotswap capable hardware, pull a drive. |
| 13:58.58 | qailer | abrotman: I' want my server very secure, maybe I could downgrade it to stable after installing etch'? |
| 13:59.20 | abrotman | downgrade not possible |
| 13:59.26 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 13:59.29 | qailer | I mean dist-upgrade |
| 13:59.32 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 13:59.32 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 13:59.36 | abrotman | erm .. where is |
| 13:59.37 | abrotman | it |
| 13:59.45 | abrotman | duh .. one more |
| 13:59.48 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 13:59.48 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.12 is probably http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ for sarge/amd64 |
| 13:59.53 | stew | qailer: you can't move from etch to sarge only from sarge to etch |
| 14:00.09 | nignag | pipeline: i am building raid1 on Intel ICH5 without any hotswappable hd. i work with an open chassis. can i just unplug the power to the hd and expect the mirror hd to take over? |
| 14:00.09 | wols_ | abrotman: 2.6.16 |
| 14:00.12 | qailer | I see... is sarge stable? |
| 14:00.35 | wols_ | qailer: yes |
| 14:00.41 | abrotman | wols_: there's no amd64 for 2.6.16 afaik |
| 14:00.48 | pipeline | nignag: Sure. But don't expect the hard drive to work again. And you might burn out the motherboard. |
| 14:00.49 | abrotman | pure64 i mean |
| 14:00.51 | qailer | hmm, does it work with sata? |
| 14:01.02 | qailer | I mean withouth needing to load modules my self |
| 14:01.17 | wols_ | abrotman: you k wrong. http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 14:01.18 | qailer | coz I don't know which ones and I don't got very much time :D |
| 14:01.37 | abrotman | wols_: huh ? |
| 14:01.39 | ThomasPorter | I get a "non system disk error" when I start my OS... no there isn't a floppy in the drive ? |
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| 14:01.51 | wols_ | abrotman: it has amd64 ISOs |
| 14:01.54 | abrotman | wols_: i didn't know he put those there :) |
| 14:02.18 | abrotman | sarge works with sata |
| 14:02.22 | nignag | pipeline: i can power down first, than unplug the power cable fr the first hd and reboot. the mirror would take over if raid1 works, agree? |
| 14:02.28 | qailer | nice abrotman |
| 14:02.48 | qailer | what's the difference with etch and unstable? |
| 14:03.24 | Ronin | etch = testing if that helps any |
| 14:03.50 | nignag | abrotman: why don't they fix the iffy security of etch? |
| 14:03.52 | qailer | so etch is just without security updates but stable, |
| 14:03.57 | abrotman | nignag: because it's not a release |
| 14:04.04 | blondie | candy |
| 14:04.05 | craigevil | testing becomes the new stable sooner or later |
| 14:04.07 | abrotman | qailer: fairly stable .. things could still break |
| 14:04.11 | Ronin | less stable then sarge but much more then sid/unstable and it does get updates but not on a regular basis |
| 14:04.13 | craigevil | unstable is always unstable |
| 14:04.14 | stew | qailer: unstable gets whatever a DD fancies to upload, daily. testing gets packages from unstable once they have been in unstable for a preset number of days and don't have any release critical bugs |
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| 14:04.54 | qailer | I see, think I'm getting of with etch for my pc then :) |
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| 14:05.07 | stew | qailer: unstable breaks more frequently but gets fixed quicker. testing breaks less freqently but when it does, it often does for much longer (becuase it has to wait for fixed packages to trickle down from unstable) |
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| 14:05.25 | stew | qailer: if you have to ask, you really don't want unstable |
| 14:05.40 | qailer | I see what you mean :) |
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| 14:06.02 | nignag | stew: packages would likely be found to be broken in unstable more than in testing. |
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| 14:06.26 | qailer | just, last question there is security updates for sarge right? |
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| 14:06.54 | craigevil | yes |
| 14:07.03 | qailer | thx |
| 14:07.07 | nignag | depending on how adventurous you are with packages, testing can be as good as stable. |
| 14:07.22 | stew | nignag: yes that's what i meant by "unstable breaks more frequently" |
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| 14:07.53 | stew | nignag: as long as you aren't concerned with security. if you are, you shouldn't use testing |
| 14:07.54 | craigevil | unstable isnt that bad, just pay attention to apt-listbugs |
| 14:08.30 | Ronin | craigevil: heh, sure its not, assuming of course you know what your doing and can fix it yourself |
| 14:08.32 | abrotman | craigevil: it is that bad .. it's not for use for a server |
| 14:08.47 | craigevil | no i wouldnt use it for a server thats what stable is for |
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| 14:09.01 | craigevil | works great for a desktop though |
| 14:09.18 | qailer | yes, I thought so, thx guys |
| 14:09.23 | nignag | stew: what are the concern about security in testing? all its packages have md5sum, it has gpg key... |
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| 14:10.13 | nignag | craigevil: testing can be used for server" |
| 14:10.13 | stew | nignag: if there is a vulnerability, it won't get patched in testing, you have to wait for the maintainer to patch, then upload to unstable then you have to wait for the fix to move from unstable to testing. whereas with stable, the security team hopefully releases a fix for stable in a timely fashion |
| 14:10.27 | stew | nignag: no, testing is not appropriate for a server, because of security |
| 14:10.40 | craigevil | unstable gets security updates then the packages have to migrate into testing |
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| 14:11.02 | abrotman | nignag: i just told it was a bad idea .. |
| 14:11.05 | stew | unstable *hopefully* gets security updates. but that is up to the maintainer of the particular package |
| 14:11.06 | abrotman | told you |
| 14:11.35 | abrotman | nignag: there is no real attempt at security for etch or sid |
| 14:11.45 | craigevil | how do you use the /media command in Konversation? |
| 14:11.46 | abrotman | it happens when it happens |
| 14:11.48 | nignag | abrotman: you just said it or you were just told about it? |
| 14:12.00 | abrotman | nignag: i told *you* |
| 14:12.16 | nignag | when did you tell me? |
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| 14:13.11 | stew | 15 minutes ago? |
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| 14:13.31 | nignag | i don't think so. |
| 14:13.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:13.40 | nignag | no |
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| 14:13.41 | abrotman | stew: there's no way to get to NEW is there? |
| 14:13.42 | stew | it doesn't matter |
| 14:14.07 | stew | abrotman: no, debian can't let you get at it until the legality of distribution has been determined |
| 14:14.16 | abrotman | that's what i thought |
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| 14:14.51 | abrotman | stew: ah .. it's in incoming now anyways |
| 14:15.04 | nignag | how often does testing becomes stable? what was the time gap between the last two move? |
| 14:15.13 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 14:15.13 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/08/msg00005.html |
| 14:15.20 | stew | !release history |
| 14:15.20 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 14:15.24 | jetscreamer | a lot longer than this one is going to be |
| 14:15.38 | jetscreamer | we even have betting pools |
| 14:15.45 | jetscreamer | s/have/had/ |
| 14:15.47 | abrotman | oh .. i'm about to lose i think |
| 14:15.50 | abrotman | !etch pool 1 |
| 14:15.50 | dpkg | methinks etch pool 1 is caphuso=WIR/SIYH/RSN! luna35=2006-12-24 sid=2006-12-20 bibe=2007-02-15 bloom=once_in_a_blue_moon_like_last_time HelmutG=2007-12-01 Eulex=2007-05-17 Arsion=2006-04-15 scarynetworkguy=2006-01-03 streuner=2006-06-06 mdh=2006-09-11 antgel=2006-12-05 asg=2006-12-07 resiak=2007-04-21 greycat=2007-07-07 abrotman, chealer=2007-10-02 r3v=2008-07-23 simonrvn=when_the_cows_come_home |
| 14:15.54 | craigevil | wasnt the Sarge release a little over 2 yrs? |
| 14:16.02 | abrotman | sarge was almost 3 |
| 14:16.11 | nignag | jetscreamer: so, stable means obsolete? |
| 14:16.15 | abrotman | oh .. i have til next year :) |
| 14:16.16 | chicken_Fire | the "apt-get install --no-remove xx" command will just break with a message like "need to be removed but remove is disabled." Is there a workaround to force install? |
| 14:16.22 | abrotman | nignag: stable means STABLE |
| 14:16.22 | craigevil | Stable means rock solid |
| 14:16.23 | stew | nignag: no, it means "not changing" |
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| 14:16.44 | abrotman | oh .. now i understand |
| 14:16.54 | nignag | stew: anything that does not change becomes obsolete. |
| 14:16.58 | pipeline | nignag: yes |
| 14:16.58 | abrotman | no |
| 14:17.12 | nignag | pipeline: yes to what? |
| 14:17.18 | abrotman | it does not become obsolete |
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| 14:17.56 | stew | nignag: no it doesn't. there are tons of people using it |
| 14:18.17 | nignag | stew: you measure people in tons? |
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| 14:18.28 | abrotman | are you always an ass? |
| 14:18.32 | stew | nignag: now you are just being argumentitive for no good reason. please stop |
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| 14:18.45 | abrotman | stew: i'm pretty sure this is the same guy that told me and peter to f'off |
| 14:19.29 | nignag | stew: fuck you, yeh, fuck you all, fuck all of your family members. bye. you can do the kickaban now. bye |
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| 14:19.36 | abrotman | see ... |
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| 14:19.48 | abrotman | timgoh0: too late |
| 14:19.53 | timgoh0 | abrotman: Aww, damn. |
| 14:20.28 | craigevil | what an idiot |
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| 14:20.30 | timgoh0 | I was hoping to meet my fellow countryman. I was just hoping it would not be in such unfortunate circumstance. |
| 14:20.45 | craigevil | probably uses ubuntu anyway |
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| 14:20.54 | timgoh0 | I would like to state for the record that not all singaporeans are tards. |
| 14:21.01 | abrotman | i'd need proof |
| 14:21.15 | timgoh0 | But then again, I'm the one abrotman refers to as with a stick up my arse. |
| 14:21.25 | enouf | bah ..and i actually helped that fscken idiot nignag earleir ... crap |
| 14:21.59 | timgoh0 | :) |
| 14:22.11 | shingouz | timgoh0: is that some kind of voodoo? :p |
| 14:22.26 | timgoh0 | shingouz: No, phated is a person. |
| 14:22.31 | timgoh0 | Also, another .sgian. |
| 14:22.34 | shingouz | banish evil spirits and such.... |
| 14:22.37 | shingouz | i know :) |
| 14:22.42 | StAfZe6` | sup? |
| 14:22.54 | timgoh0 | Strangely enough, this channel seems to recieve a large number of tards from .sg |
| 14:23.11 | enouf | As I'm reading along (catchup) ..I'm realizing from the idiotic flamebait questions tht b0z0 nignag was asking -- I knew it |
| 14:23.12 | stainlessmice | where is .sg? |
| 14:23.15 | StAfZe6` | ? |
| 14:23.17 | shingouz | singapore |
| 14:23.19 | stainlessmice | hahaha |
| 14:24.05 | timgoh0 | shingouz: I believe that periodic waving of phated wards away Death, Pestilance, War and Stupidity. |
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| 14:24.31 | jelly | timgoh0: but not famine? |
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| 14:25.05 | timgoh0 | jelly: I'd assume you'd do that. :) |
| 14:25.46 | shingouz | timgoh0: true but it can also be pretty dangerous to the person who does the waving |
| 14:26.05 | shingouz | personally i prefer a dead chicken but each to his own... ;) |
| 14:26.12 | Kartagis | later |
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| 14:26.27 | timgoh0 | shingouz: I keep a rubber chicken for when the phated is unwavable. |
| 14:27.06 | shingouz | artificial flavoring. the natural thing works better. wards off even nasty neighbors after a certain time |
| 14:27.21 | stainlessmice | ... |
| 14:27.35 | timgoh0 | shingouz: When it grows fetid after you leave it hidden near their doorstep? |
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| 14:27.52 | shingouz | timgoh0: sometihng in that style, yes |
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| 14:29.13 | jindal | hullo all |
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| 14:29.40 | jindal | myself got no food :( sry for d deviation :) |
| 14:29.43 | shingouz | feh. my cdrom refuses to mount a cd i have sitting on my desk |
| 14:30.18 | abrotman | bad CD? |
| 14:30.27 | azeem | shingouz: other CDs mount fine? |
| 14:30.45 | shingouz | not really. weak laser on the drive, cannot read from three feet off |
| 14:30.58 | azeem | shingouz: so not a Debian issue |
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| 14:31.13 | shingouz | not really... |
| 14:31.39 | azeem | shingouz: well, please make that clear so we don't have to investigate |
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| 14:32.22 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 14:32.42 | shingouz | azeem: it was not really a question, just a comment. usually cdroms do not mount cd's that sit three feet from the drive |
| 14:32.59 | azeem | shingouz: -> #debian-offtopic |
| 14:33.04 | timgoh0 | I'd love to see one of those work. |
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| 14:33.11 | peoro | hi |
| 14:33.52 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!n=chatzill@*.singnet.com.sg] by stew |
| 14:33.55 | [TechGuy] | I'm trying to install Etch on an old Proliant 4000. The system keeps kernel panicking during device init (I think right after SCSI init, but I can't tell since you can't scroll back during kernel boot). Ideas? |
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| 14:34.22 | shingouz | [TechGuy]: compaq smartarray 2 on the thing? |
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| 14:34.42 | peoro | i'm using debian sid, and i've a matrox g400 video card... yesterday i upgraded xorg from 7.0 to 7.1, and now my mga drivers aren't working, so i'm using vesa driver... |
| 14:34.59 | [TechGuy] | shingouz: Possibly. I forget. Hang on |
| 14:35.19 | peoro | i found on internet that it's a debian problem... do you know if there's a solution? |
| 14:36.10 | abrotman | peoro: you could downgrade to 7.0 and file a bug .. or check the BTS for a possible solutoin |
| 14:36.14 | [TechGuy] | shingouz: Likely yes. |
| 14:36.27 | shingouz | [TechGuy]: not sure if the cpqarray is present on the install or standard debian kernels anymore, i suspect not. if it is not, you need a custom kernel with the driver compiled statically or as a module if you use initrd |
| 14:36.29 | peoro | abrotman, how can i downgrade it? |
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| 14:36.36 | MarkH_UK | hi all |
| 14:36.38 | abrotman | peoro: probably be a lot of work |
| 14:36.45 | peoro | if i try to force the version of some packages to the last one it gives me some errors... |
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| 14:36.47 | MarkH_UK | looking for Courier Authentication Library apt-pkg |
| 14:36.47 | peoro | mh :\ |
| 14:36.52 | MarkH_UK | anyone point me in the right direction |
| 14:37.01 | MarkH_UK | apt-get install courier-authlib doesnt find anything |
| 14:37.02 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=xserver-xorg-video-mga;dist=unstable |
| 14:37.17 | timgoh0 | MarkH_UK: Try apt-cache, or even packages.debian.org |
| 14:37.32 | MarkH_UK | apt-cache? |
| 14:38.03 | [TechGuy] | shingouz: But that would cause a panic? Odd. Would think it'd be like any other piece of hw w/o a driver, and just wouldn't be detected |
| 14:38.05 | peoro | mh... |
| 14:38.05 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 14:38.16 | timgoh0 | !tell MarkH_UK about apt-cache |
| 14:38.28 | shingouz | [TechGuy]: the problem is because the kernel needs to have all the drivers for the root filesystem either statically or with initrd as modules |
| 14:38.49 | [TechGuy] | shingouz: I'm not even to that point. This is while booting Etch's install CD |
| 14:38.52 | shingouz | [TechGuy]: not in this case. www.cpqlinux.com (i think it was...) |
| 14:39.03 | timgoh0 | shingouz: But it shouldn't panic. |
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| 14:39.11 | MarkH_UK | kohj:/etc/init.d# apt-cache showpkg courier-authlib |
| 14:39.11 | MarkH_UK | W: Unable to locate package courier-authlib |
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| 14:39.50 | timgoh0 | stew: Don't bother, he won't come back that quickly. |
| 14:39.57 | abrotman | timgoh0: he's a repeat offender |
| 14:40.04 | stew | timgoh0: he's been a problem for a while now |
| 14:40.04 | abrotman | and ban evader |
| 14:40.06 | timgoh0 | abrotman: Ah. |
| 14:40.12 | shingouz | timgoh0: [TechGuy] the last debian release that had cpqarray in it IIRC was potato compact install kernel. after installing with that and debootstrap, install a real kernel before the first boot |
| 14:40.23 | shingouz | been there, done it and have the scars to prove it |
| 14:40.29 | timgoh0 | OK, right. My country seems to be filled with tards. |
| 14:40.34 | stew | timgoh0: and he has requested 3 times in the past the i permanently ban him, just trying to do his bidding in that respect |
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| 14:40.52 | abrotman | timgoh0: can't you just go beat him ? |
| 14:40.53 | timgoh0 | shingouz: Ah. Thankfully, I've not worked with compaq scsi stuff. |
| 14:40.56 | [TechGuy] | shingouz: Potato?!?! ouch! |
| 14:41.03 | timgoh0 | abrotman: First, I'd have to know where he lives. |
| 14:41.03 | abrotman | timgoh0: report him to his ISP please :) |
| 14:41.11 | timgoh0 | abrotman: They don't care. |
| 14:41.28 | timgoh0 | Unless it's copyright infringement, in which case, you'd have to be from $BIG_COMPANY |
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| 14:41.55 | Renfield | I'm confused about apt-get. Does it resolve dependencies, and download necessary packages to fulfil an install request? I'm trying to install xorg, but it tells me that there are unmet dependencies, and the only reason given is "foo is not going to be installed". |
| 14:42.05 | shingouz | [TechGuy]: not a big problem really. just use the compact install floppy set and point it at something more recent. piece of cake. remember to get an SMP kernel if you have multiple processors :) |
| 14:42.08 | abrotman | timgoh0: tell them he's download pr0n? :) |
| 14:42.16 | wols_ | Renfield: yes that's exactly what apt does |
| 14:42.18 | timgoh0 | abrotman: That would implicate me. |
| 14:42.20 | abrotman | Renfield: paste the error |
| 14:42.29 | abrotman | timgoh0: in what? being a good citizen ? |
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| 14:42.39 | timgoh0 | abrotman: No, in tapping his communications. |
| 14:42.41 | stew | Renfield: show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy xorg libc6 foo" for whatever foo it is talking about, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:42.47 | abrotman | oh |
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| 14:44.39 | [TechGuy] | shingouz: Methinks I'll just find another lonely unused box in our datacenter rack. ;) |
| 14:44.58 | MarkH_UK | i need courier authlib for Sarge |
| 14:45.04 | MarkH_UK | but it can't find it using apt-get |
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| 14:45.20 | timgoh0 | MarkH_UK: apt-cache search. Or packages.debian.org. |
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| 14:46.02 | Renfield | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3864 |
| 14:46.18 | MarkH_UK | kohj:/etc/init.d# apt-cache search courier-authlib |
| 14:46.18 | MarkH_UK | kohj:/etc/init.d# |
| 14:46.40 | craigevil | how do you get the /media command in Konversation to work? |
| 14:47.16 | shingouz | [TechGuy]: fax the proliant to me, i could use a new toy |
| 14:47.27 | timgoh0 | MarkH_UK: I give up. |
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| 14:47.44 | Ronin | be less precise in your search MarkH_UK ? |
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| 14:48.03 | Renfield | So I need to mention each dependency in order to install xorg? |
| 14:48.04 | [TechGuy] | shingouz: Okie. Gives us an excuse to get a new fax machine too. |
| 14:48.06 | abrotman | uhhuh |
| 14:48.11 | [TechGuy] | $40 for a new fax ink cartridge!!! |
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| 14:48.27 | FloSoft | hi guys |
| 14:48.35 | shingouz | [TechGuy]: it really is pretty easy to install, you just need to find a kernel that supports the cpqarray or the installer will not see the array in the first place. set the bios to unix or dos and it works, create the array with smarttools first |
| 14:48.38 | ChrisWhite|Work | p courier-authlib - Courier authentication library |
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| 14:49.01 | abrotman | so install it |
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| 14:49.11 | timgoh0 | [TechGuy]: This is why asterisk and spandsp are good. |
| 14:49.11 | ChrisWhite|Work | that was for MarkH_UK |
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| 14:49.21 | FloSoft | how do I have to configure the dhcp-server (debian-package) to provide a default gateway? the network dhcp-autoconfiguration says always "continue without a default route?" |
| 14:49.31 | [TechGuy] | Where'd asterisk come into this? |
| 14:49.42 | MarkH_UK | ChrisWhite|Work I can't install it! |
| 14:49.42 | MarkH_UK | it doesnt find it with apt |
| 14:49.45 | timgoh0 | [TechGuy]: $40 cartridges. |
| 14:49.50 | abrotman | MarkH_UK: show us your sources |
| 14:50.14 | MarkH_UK | a sec |
| 14:50.14 | ChrisWhite|Work | I'm using standard etch repositories |
| 14:50.35 | timgoh0 | shingouz: Would an alternate install technique be to plug the disk into another machine and debootstrap? |
| 14:50.45 | [TechGuy] | timgoh0: Replace real fax machine with $40 cartridges with asterisk/spandsp, scanner to scan in faxes, etc... and print with an inkjet or laser that has $30 cartridges. ;) |
| 14:50.50 | MarkH_UK | http://pastebin.ca/182976 |
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| 14:51.04 | MarkH_UK | abrotman http://pastebin.ca/182976 |
| 14:51.15 | timgoh0 | [TechGuy]: Print? :) |
| 14:51.18 | jair | ahhh it feels good enterring here again :) |
| 14:51.28 | jair | hello evrybody ;) |
| 14:51.46 | [TechGuy] | timgoh0: Indeed, print. Ya know, dead trees. Hardcopies. We need hard, signed contracts, statements of work, etc |
| 14:51.57 | [TechGuy] | scary, isn't it? |
| 14:52.03 | shingouz | timgoh0: not really because it is a hardware raid |
| 14:52.06 | Renfield | So why does apt-get sometimes resolve dependencies and sometimes doesn't? |
| 14:52.06 | jair | I am trying to work on the tutorial for the centrino 2100 and 2200 drivers and configuration of machines using debian sarge 3.1 |
| 14:52.08 | timgoh0 | [TechGuy]: Yes. |
| 14:52.30 | timgoh0 | shingouz: Ah, but don't those have some form of boot-time utility? |
| 14:52.57 | MarkH_UK | abrotman any ideas? |
| 14:52.59 | stew | jair: /msg dpkg ipw2200 ; /msg dpkg m-a me ipw2200 |
| 14:53.01 | shingouz | timgoh0: no. you need the controlled card to use the array. hardware scsi raid, my man :) |
| 14:53.08 | MarkH_UK | ChrisWhite|Work what sources should i use then to get that pkg? |
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| 14:53.12 | shingouz | controller even |
| 14:53.16 | FloSoft | no one an idea why the debian installer ignores the "routers" option from dhcp? |
| 14:53.21 | timgoh0 | shingouz: Ah, and the base install doesn't have controller modules? |
| 14:53.36 | timgoh0 | FloSoft: The *installer* ? |
| 14:53.49 | ChrisWhite|Work | Well, I'm using etch, and iirc that's development unstable or so |
| 14:54.01 | MarkH_UK | I see. |
| 14:54.07 | MarkH_UK | I'm using Sarge |
| 14:54.16 | shingouz | as i said. potato compact floppies, point debootstrap to something newer and get a smp kernel with cpqarray. reboot -> useable system in no time |
| 14:54.23 | FloSoft | timgoh0: debian-installer |
| 14:55.21 | ChrisWhite|Work | MarkH_UK: yah, it's only avaliable in unstable according to packages.debian.org |
| 14:55.21 | stew | MarkH_UK: aptitude install courier-authdaemon |
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| 14:55.34 | abrotman | MarkH_UK: apt-get update && apt-cache policy courier-authdaemon |
| 14:55.36 | timgoh0 | shingouz: Ah. Again, I thank $DEITY I don't have to deal with that. :) |
| 14:55.43 | MarkH_UK | i have courier-authdaemon already Stew. |
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| 14:56.05 | MarkH_UK | http://www.courier-mta.org/sqwebmail/ < try to get that installed |
| 14:56.21 | MarkH_UK | but it wont due to missing courier-authlib "or so it states" |
| 14:56.23 | [TechGuy] | timgoh0 / shingouz: Yeah, this is probably the oldest box in our rack. Used to be running NT4 primary DNS |
| 14:56.35 | Renfield | Is there another program that runs on top of apt-get that I should be using to resolve package dependencies? |
| 14:56.43 | [TechGuy] | aptitude |
| 14:56.45 | [TechGuy] | dselect |
| 14:56.47 | [TechGuy] | synaptic |
| 14:56.50 | timgoh0 | FloSoft: No problems here. What happens when you attempt to statically define it? |
| 14:56.55 | stew | MarkH_UK: what happens when you run "aptitude install sqwebmail"? |
| 14:57.09 | shingouz | [TechGuy]: makes a nice debian box |
| 14:57.10 | khermans | does anyone know how to use parted to make a new partition and fill ot the maximum allowable siz? |
| 14:57.16 | FloSoft | timgoh0: then it works - but I do not want to define that every time i netboot a installer |
| 14:57.23 | abrotman | Renfield: no .. tha'ts it really |
| 14:57.30 | abrotman | Renfield: you can try aptitude |
| 14:57.33 | MarkH_UK | umm |
| 14:57.36 | MarkH_UK | I dont wanna do that |
| 14:57.40 | MarkH_UK | it'll rape my apache etc |
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| 14:57.53 | timgoh0 | FloSoft: I'm using the netboot installer with no problems. Do your other machines get a default gateway from dhcp? |
| 14:58.05 | shingouz | [TechGuy]: check cpqlinux, there is at least one story on how to do the install the right way. prosignia 486 but the hardware is pretty much the same |
| 14:58.08 | Renfield | [TechGuy] Why does apt-get sometimes resolve dependencies? I have installed packages, and apt-get tells me that other packages are going to be installed. In fact it tells me that packages are not going to be installed unless I add them to the list on the command line! I want the "make it so" option, just resolve dependencies AND install them. |
| 14:58.11 | FloSoft | timgoh0: the windows machines and the already installed debian get them |
| 14:58.18 | FloSoft | all in the same subnet |
| 14:58.26 | [TechGuy] | shingouz: Indeed. Oldest thing I played with though is Woody. Going back to Potato, then figuring out how to drop to a shell before post-install reboot and all that, is disturbing. ;) |
| 14:58.28 | Ronin | pardon MarkH_UK ? |
| 14:58.29 | FloSoft | only the installer does not care about the "routers" option |
| 14:58.37 | timgoh0 | FloSoft: This is strange, which netboot image are you using, link to it? |
| 14:58.44 | stew | Renfield: show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy xorg libc6 foo" for whatever foo it is talking about, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:58.45 | FloSoft | timgoh0: the current |
| 14:58.50 | FloSoft | etch |
| 14:59.02 | Renfield | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3864 |
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| 14:59.17 | toubsu | are there separate CPUs in each blade of a blade server or does it share the resources of a central CPU? |
| 14:59.37 | [TechGuy] | separate |
| 15:00.27 | stew | Renfield: you can't mix stable packages with testing/unstable. if you really need xorg on sarge use backports.org, /msg dpkg xorg sarge ; /msg dpkg bpo |
| 15:00.35 | shingouz | [TechGuy]: bah. alt-f2 takes you to a cli |
| 15:00.36 | toubsu | there are simply sharing PSU? |
| 15:00.54 | timgoh0 | FloSoft: Oh, I'm using the older ones. Could be an issue, try downgrading to confirm? |
| 15:01.11 | stew | Renfield: you should take unstable out of your sources.list and apt-get update. you really don't want to start installing packages from unstable |
| 15:01.46 | Renfield | stew: I want unstable. Stable is too old for this hardware. In order to use unstable, I need to start with an unstable CD? |
| 15:02.08 | FloSoft | timgoh0: the daily worked either - the 2/3 month old image i had didnt work too |
| 15:02.19 | stew | Renfield: no, there are no unstable CDs |
| 15:02.33 | shingouz | Renfield: point your sources to unstable and dist-upgrade but before that, /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 15:02.35 | timgoh0 | FloSoft: Strange, this dhcp server, it's ISC dhcpd? |
| 15:02.36 | Renfield | stew So how do I get to unstable? |
| 15:02.51 | shingouz | Renfield: be safe and *don't* |
| 15:03.02 | stew | Renfield: if you have to ask, you shouldn't. what is wrong with stable + backports? |
| 15:03.25 | [TechGuy] | shingouz: I know about that. That only takes you to busybox or such, which is practically useless |
| 15:03.31 | FloSoft | timgoh0: jep thats isc 3.0.2 |
| 15:03.33 | Renfield | Well maybe it is my perception, but I always thought that stable was old, very old. |
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| 15:03.41 | [TechGuy] | shingouz: Anyway, where to get potato floppies? The main dist site no longer has them, AFAICT |
| 15:04.01 | Renfield | For example, I would like to get the latest xorg, and try out the XGL extensions. |
| 15:04.43 | timgoh0 | FloSoft: And the exact line in the subnet block is "option routers a.b.c.d"? |
| 15:04.53 | FloSoft | timgoh0: yes |
| 15:05.02 | timgoh0 | Strange. |
| 15:05.22 | stew | Renfield: you can get xorg 7.0 for sarge from backports. xgl isnt' available on debian for any of the releases |
| 15:05.45 | Renfield | Oh. |
| 15:05.55 | shingouz | [TechGuy]: ummm.. not sure. try www.debian.org and see if there is something about potato. should be available |
| 15:07.06 | timgoh0 | FloSoft: Hmm, I've not seen this before. |
| 15:07.11 | Renfield | stew So backports is a different sources entry? |
| 15:07.18 | stew | Renfield: yes. |
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| 15:08.32 | FloSoft | timgoh0: thats really strange |
| 15:08.45 | [TechGuy] | shingouz: That's why I was asking. ;) Couldn't find anything. Found all the old manuals and such. But all download links just point to the distrib page, which no longer has any info pre-Sarge |
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| 15:09.07 | shingouz | [TechGuy]: lemme check if i have better eyes |
| 15:09.25 | [TechGuy] | shingouz: Maybe. It's been two years since my last eye exam. ;) |
| 15:09.33 | shingouz | heh |
| 15:10.13 | iturk | hi there i have a problem with my wireless !! i have to connect to an access point that request for password and user so it means that its closed !! Which software should i download in order to be able to give this two parameters when connection to a closed access point ?? |
| 15:10.57 | cydork | iturk: wep? |
| 15:11.10 | shingouz | iturk: wireless-tools iirc |
| 15:11.13 | iturk | cydork: its from an university |
| 15:11.30 | cydork | iturk: i mean does it use WEP or WPA? |
| 15:11.31 | iturk | i think its wep and many thinks more |
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| 15:11.36 | iturk | i think both |
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| 15:11.49 | stew | if it requires a username its not just WEP |
| 15:11.51 | wols_ | iturk: not possible. either or |
| 15:12.08 | timgoh0 | stew: It could be WEP with some RADIUS server, and EAP |
| 15:12.23 | iturk | it requeris a user and password |
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| 15:12.40 | iturk | in windows its simple |
| 15:12.41 | cydork | iturk: cant be WEP then. |
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| 15:13.00 | timgoh0 | cydork: I wouldn't discount it. |
| 15:13.06 | iturk | which software should i use in my university they dont give support to linux they are bad |
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| 15:13.42 | cydork | timgoh0: how do you connect in windows? |
| 15:13.51 | timgoh0 | cydork: Me? |
| 15:13.52 | cydork | iturk: ^^ |
| 15:14.14 | cydork | timgoh0: not you :P |
| 15:14.28 | timgoh0 | (pleasedon'tsayvpnohpleaseohplease) |
| 15:14.31 | wols_ | iturk: are you using ubuntu? |
| 15:14.34 | iturk | cydork: i have to configure a proxy then |
| 15:14.38 | iturk | yes |
| 15:14.46 | wols_ | then ask in ubuntu and not #debian |
| 15:14.55 | iturk | it will come an window requesting for user and password |
| 15:15.13 | iturk | wols_: ubuntu its based in debian |
| 15:15.21 | cydork | !ubuntu |
| 15:15.21 | dpkg | well, ubuntu is 1. Ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. 2. A GNU/Linux distribution that is <Based on Debian>. Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we do not support Ubuntu here. |
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| 15:15.34 | timgoh0 | cydork: WEP EAP. :) Either that or an authenticating proxy |
| 15:15.52 | stew | !no ubuntu is A GNU/Linux distribution that is <Based on Debian>. Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we do not support Ubuntu here. |
| 15:15.52 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 15:16.01 | cydork | timgoh0: i guess so :) |
| 15:16.10 | iturk | cydork: :D well before ubuntu i was using debian |
| 15:16.23 | Ronin | but your not now so we cant really help iturk |
| 15:16.29 | shingouz | [TechGuy]: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ |
| 15:16.33 | iturk | you can add ubuntu -> linux for human beings |
| 15:16.53 | timgoh0 | cydork: Are you human? |
| 15:17.12 | timgoh0 | :) |
| 15:17.19 | iturk | so i will install wireless-tool and pray more later |
| 15:17.23 | wols_ | timgoh0: look at what humans do to this planet and each other: hopefully not |
| 15:17.24 | cydork | timgoh0: i dont think so, my gf doesn't think so ;) |
| 15:17.40 | wols_ | cydork: so your gf is into bestiality? cool! |
| 15:17.52 | cydork | wols_: hehe |
| 15:17.57 | timgoh0 | Hmm, strange, I have the same problem. Unfortunately, no gf. |
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| 15:19.02 | iturk | Ok guys is there any application with GUI that helps people to connect to diferent networks ?? |
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| 15:19.19 | DaBlade | Is there a way to set a specific repository to time out after ten seconds of no responce in apt-get? |
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| 15:19.30 | timgoh0 | Unless you mean GF, in which case, I'd hate the long term memory loss. |
| 15:19.36 | DaBlade | wine's repository always triples the time it takes to run apt-get update |
| 15:19.37 | wols_ | DaBlade: why would you need it? |
| 15:19.50 | DaBlade | wols_: Wine's repo often times out |
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| 15:20.02 | wols_ | DaBlade: times out while you donwload? |
| 15:20.11 | DaBlade | wols_: While I do apt-get update |
| 15:20.27 | DaBlade | 99% [Connecting to wine.sourceforge.net (66.35.250.209)] |
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| 15:20.34 | DaBlade | And nothing happens for several minutes |
| 15:20.36 | Renfield | Ok, I hate asking these stupid questions, but I can't find any documentation about "backports". How do I add that to my sources.list? |
| 15:20.44 | cydork | !bpo |
| 15:20.44 | dpkg | somebody said backports.org was an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions on how to only get specific backports. ask me about <backports> |
| 15:20.52 | stew | Renfield: /msg dpkg bpo ; /msg dpkg sarge xorg |
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| 15:21.08 | DaBlade | wols_: Is there a way to do it? |
| 15:21.51 | Tarantulafudge | whats the debian way of making a systemwide hostname change? |
| 15:21.58 | stew | Tarantulafudge: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 15:22.50 | wols_ | DaBlade: don't think so |
| 15:22.56 | DaBlade | Damn. |
| 15:23.21 | jair | guys I remmeber saw a document that was talking about how to add the route on the file "/etc/network/interfaces" ?? |
| 15:23.21 | timgoh0 | DaBlade: I think APT::Acquire::http::Timeout "20" ought to do it. |
| 15:23.25 | DaBlade | wols_: Maybe making some kind of non-apt workaround is possible? |
| 15:23.30 | jair | so it can run at bot time :) |
| 15:23.32 | DaBlade | timgoh0: Oh |
| 15:23.37 | timgoh0 | DaBlade: In apt.conf, but I've not tried it. |
| 15:23.40 | DaBlade | timgoh0: Where do I add that? |
| 15:23.44 | timgoh0 | DaBlade: I'm getting this from the docs. |
| 15:23.45 | DaBlade | Hmm... |
| 15:23.46 | timgoh0 | apt.conf |
| 15:23.52 | DaBlade | ok |
| 15:24.03 | DaBlade | Thanks |
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| 15:24.10 | timgoh0 | DaBlade: Or ftp, depending on how you're accessing your source. |
| 15:24.12 | wols_ | jair: man interfaces |
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| 15:24.46 | stew | jair: you are adding a default route or another static route? |
| 15:24.48 | DaBlade | timgoh0: Ok, thanks. |
| 15:24.50 | jair | wols_: ohh it show an example there ;) |
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| 15:25.06 | jair | stew, I think so |
| 15:25.11 | stew | jair: which? |
| 15:25.18 | stew | jair: are you using dhcp? |
| 15:25.22 | jair | I am adding a route that is always there so far |
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| 15:25.32 | jair | stew: no DHCP static ips |
| 15:25.34 | stew | jair: but not the default route? |
| 15:25.48 | jair | note |
| 15:25.50 | stew | jair: you have a default route and you are trying to add another static route? |
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| 15:25.51 | jair | no |
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| 15:26.12 | craigevil | anyone know why i can download mail from Gmail but not send it using Kmail or Thunderbird? |
| 15:26.14 | jair | stew: the default router we have it |
| 15:26.16 | stew | jair: add a call to route in an "up" line: up route add -net ...... |
| 15:26.25 | jair | I am trying to add another route and make it permanent |
| 15:26.29 | timgoh0 | craigevil: Are you authenticating in smtp? |
| 15:26.40 | wols_ | craigevil: wrong outgoing mailserver setup. e.g. it needs auth and port 465 |
| 15:26.50 | timgoh0 | craigevil: IIRC, gmail requires that you auth, also, use the ssl port. |
| 15:26.55 | jair | stew: I will show you an example: |
| 15:26.56 | craigevil | 465 and not 587 like |
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| 15:27.33 | cydork | craigevil: afaik gmail site has a good documentation about the settings |
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| 15:28.30 | cydork | shingouz: removing it? why? |
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| 15:29.03 | shingouz | my other car needs a better turbo... just pull it off the parts car and reinstall on the driver :) |
| 15:29.18 | azeem | Nickname: please turn off the public away |
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| 15:29.33 | dimir | :-D |
| 15:29.36 | shingouz | Nickname: disable that damn away message, it is seriously annoying |
| 15:29.51 | shingouz | hehee... he disabled himself... |
| 15:30.15 | azeem | shingouz: please turn off public away |
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| 15:30.32 | basscr | my usb dev isn't sda1, as i think is the default for almost every machine, how do i know what dev is my usb flash memory? |
| 15:30.38 | abrotman | dmesg |
| 15:30.42 | shingouz | azeem: ? i do not have a public away |
| 15:30.56 | stew | basscr: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 15:30.59 | azeem | eh, I didn't say automatic public away |
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| 15:31.24 | shingouz | azeem: i do not have even that. as a matter of fact, i never mark myself away |
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| 15:31.40 | karrotx | does sarge have a xen package? |
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| 15:32.48 | wols_ | karrotx: backports might |
| 15:33.04 | basscr | stew: is it not dpkg -i usb-storage ? |
| 15:33.19 | azeem | basscr: no |
| 15:33.21 | MtJB | if i want to get a package out of unstable, do i have to remove testing or stable from my list of repositories? |
| 15:33.21 | stew | dpkg: tell basscr about usb-storage |
| 15:33.41 | stew | MtJB: no, /msg dpkg quick etch/sid mix |
| 15:33.55 | MtJB | thanks, stew |
| 15:33.57 | stew | MtJB: just be mindful about what you are actaully installing from unstable |
| 15:34.30 | wols_ | MtJB: don't install stuff from unstable. do a simple backport instead |
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| 15:35.31 | MtJB | wols_ ok, but i don't know how to do that |
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| 15:37.10 | wols_ | !tell MtJB about simple sid backport |
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| 15:37.20 | MtJB | got it wols, thanks |
| 15:37.29 | MtJB | wols_ too |
| 15:37.35 | abrotman | an etch/sid mix probably isn't a good idea these days |
| 15:37.42 | stew | MtJB: try installing it with the quick etch/sid mix. if it wants to also install a ton of other libraries with it, then consider the above "simple sid backport" if it doesn't want to install other dependencies from unstable there is no point in backporting |
| 15:37.48 | stew | abrotman: why? |
| 15:38.13 | abrotman | how many times do we tell people not to mix stable with testing/unstable |
| 15:38.20 | jair | stew: here is the example I am sorry for take so long I am very busy :( http://rafb.net/paste/results/mtBf3U63.html |
| 15:38.24 | abrotman | i can see doing a testing/unstable mix .. but not etch/sid |
| 15:38.59 | jair | stew: the line I put with an arrow is the route I have to add each time I reboot the machine |
| 15:38.59 | azeem | abrotman: what is the difference? |
| 15:38.59 | abrotman | but i also didn't stay in a holiday inn express last night |
| 15:39.00 | abrotman | azeem: currently nothing |
| 15:39.09 | DaBlade | timgoh0: I tried adding it to apt.conf |
| 15:39.13 | abrotman | i'm preparing for the impending doom! |
| 15:39.16 | DaBlade | timgoh0: E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:4: Extra junk at end of file |
| 15:39.18 | pickcoder | abrotman: and when sid and etch move down, what difference will there be? |
| 15:39.24 | DaBlade | timgoh0: Thanks for trying though. :) |
| 15:39.25 | abrotman | sid NEVER moves down |
| 15:39.34 | pickcoder | it just gets renamed? |
| 15:39.36 | stew | pickcoder: becuase when etch becomes stable, mixing stable and unstable is a bad idea |
| 15:39.37 | abrotman | no |
| 15:39.39 | stew | pickcoder: no |
| 15:39.44 | cydork | !sid |
| 15:39.44 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 15:39.57 | pickcoder | so what will be in testing when Etch moves into stable? |
| 15:39.59 | abrotman | nothing ever happens with sid/unstable .. they just are there .. etch will release and become stable .. and then etch+1 will be aliased to testing |
| 15:40.05 | stew | jair: so add "up route add -net 10.10.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 dev eth0" to the eth0 stanza in interfaces |
| 15:40.22 | abrotman | pickcoder: i don't think they've picked the name for etch+1 yet |
| 15:40.33 | pickcoder | stew: you mean "post-up ip route add"? |
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| 15:41.04 | stew | pickcoder: up and post-up are the same |
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| 15:41.13 | pickcoder | hrm.. |
| 15:41.57 | jair | stew: what the "uP" will do? |
| 15:41.58 | pickcoder | okies |
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| 15:42.06 | jair | stew: it will make it permanent? |
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| 15:42.30 | stew | jair: it will run that command "route add -net...." after eth0 is brought up |
| 15:42.46 | pickcoder | There's no way I'll ever learn everything about Debian, before my memory starts to go |
| 15:42.50 | jair | stew: where is that stored ?? |
| 15:42.54 | [TechGuy] | weird... shingouz, still around? |
| 15:43.04 | jair | stew: I mean how it knows or rememebr to run it? |
| 15:43.30 | stew | jair: becuase you are putting it in the interfaces file, which is where you tell it how to bring up the interface inthe first plcace |
| 15:43.36 | pickcoder | stew: should he also put in a down statement to remove the route |
| 15:44.03 | stew | pickcoder: no, when you bring an interface down, all the routes go with it |
| 15:44.11 | jair | stew you mean on the ifup file? |
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| 15:44.27 | stew | jair: "man interfaces" |
| 15:44.36 | sonofapreacher | what's wrong with this crontab? 22 8,16,24 * * * /command/whatever |
| 15:44.46 | jair | stew: ok Thank you I will check that :) |
| 15:45.23 | sonofapreacher | looking to exec /command/whatever at 8:22, 16:22, and 24:22 |
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| 15:45.40 | sonofapreacher | err |
| 15:45.44 | sonofapreacher | there's no 24? is that it |
| 15:46.00 | sonofapreacher | that's it |
| 15:46.01 | sonofapreacher | silly me |
| 15:46.11 | stew | sonofapreacher: oh, yeah :) |
| 15:46.25 | blondie | there's no such time as 24:22 |
| 15:46.35 | blondie | unless you live on mars or somewhere with longer days ;) |
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| 15:47.00 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 15:47.06 | DaBlade | I've got a bit of a weird problem. |
| 15:47.23 | DaBlade | Until now, I've been playing Warsow (a 3D FPS) pretty smoothly, except for a few crashes here and there. |
| 15:47.30 | abrotman | what is DaProblem ? |
| 15:47.44 | DaBlade | But in the last two days, every time I play it, Xorg's CPU usage rises to ~30% |
| 15:47.53 | DaBlade | It makes the game extremely choppy and unplayable. |
| 15:47.53 | abrotman | did oyu lose your DRI ? |
| 15:48.00 | DaBlade | Hm... I don't see how. |
| 15:48.06 | DaBlade | I haven't done any system configuration lately. |
| 15:48.20 | abrotman | update any packages ? |
| 15:48.21 | DaBlade | Maybe apt-get upgrade changed something. |
| 15:48.26 | abrotman | golly .. maybe |
| 15:48.26 | DaBlade | yeah |
| 15:48.36 | DaBlade | The usual daily apt-get upgrade;apt-get update. |
| 15:48.36 | abrotman | update any .. X related pacakges ? |
| 15:48.38 | abrotman | or maybe a kernel ? |
| 15:48.43 | DaBlade | Not that I can recall |
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| 15:48.52 | abrotman | are you running etch/sid ? |
| 15:48.58 | abrotman | if so .. check the /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 15:49.04 | DaBlade | But then again, most of the time I just press Y without really looking closely at the packages |
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| 15:49.16 | stew | heh |
| 15:50.10 | DaBlade | 2006-09-26 17:27:26 status installed libx11-data 2:1.0.0-9 |
| 15:50.11 | DaBlade | Aha. |
| 15:50.19 | DaBlade | So what, reinstall the nVIDIA driver? |
| 15:50.31 | abrotman | might help |
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| 15:50.37 | DaBlade | Alrighty. |
| 15:50.43 | abrotman | might even want to do a dist-upgrade to get the rest of the packages you don't have |
| 15:50.47 | azeem | DaBlade: does your X*log say something about ignoreABI? |
| 15:50.54 | abrotman | as long as everything is screwed up anyways :) |
| 15:50.57 | DaBlade | be back soon, I hope. |
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| 15:51.38 | abrotman | i'm skeptical! |
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| 15:51.46 | tavancini | where i can get the unstable cd iso? |
| 15:52.04 | abrotman | you cn't |
| 15:52.05 | abrotman | can't |
| 15:52.20 | tavancini | how can i install it? |
| 15:52.21 | wols_ | tavancini: install etch and upgrade |
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| 15:52.28 | stew | "upgrade" |
| 15:52.43 | wols_ | stew: sarge to etch ios a upgrade too |
| 15:52.53 | wols_ | heck win2k to XP is an upgrade :) |
| 15:53.09 | stew | !sid upgrade |
| 15:53.09 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
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| 15:53.34 | Xteven | tavancini : http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/index.en-gb.html#unstable-images |
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| 15:55.56 | tavancini | mmm |
| 15:55.57 | tavancini | thanks! |
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| 15:57.40 | [TechGuy] | okay this is screwy... My Proliant doesn't have SmartArray or any weird thing... Booting the Etch install CD bombs as soon as it uncompresses the initfs image |
| 15:57.41 | Anarka | a sid iso ? that should be fun |
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| 15:58.00 | dablade | abrotman: That didn't work out too well. |
| 15:58.20 | dablade | abrotman: Turns out I have GCC 4.1 and the kernel was compiled with GCC 4.0 |
| 15:58.29 | stew | [TechGuy]: are you using the (default) 2.4 kernel or the 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:58.30 | dablade | I wanted to compile my own version, but then this happened |
| 15:58.40 | dablade | root@RazorBlade[/usr/src/linux]# make menuconfig |
| 15:58.40 | dablade | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `scripts/basic/fixdep.c', needed by `scripts/basic/fixdep'. Stop. |
| 15:58.43 | dablade | make: *** [scripts_basic] Error 2 |
| 15:58.47 | stew | dablade: apt-get install gcc-4.0 ; export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 |
| 15:58.58 | dablade | stew: Ah, thanks |
| 15:59.09 | stew | dablade: also apt-get install build-essential libncurses5-dev |
| 15:59.36 | [TechGuy] | stew: 2.6 is default on the Etch netinst CD builds. But I've tried both 2.6 and 2.4 |
| 15:59.36 | dablade | stew: Both of those are installed |
| 15:59.40 | stew | dablade: wait, if you are compiling your own kernel, it shouldnt' matter which kernel you current kernel is compiled with |
| 15:59.45 | tuv | module-assistant tries to use gcc-4.0 automatically, but doesn't try to install it if it's not found |
| 15:59.55 | stew | [TechGuy]: oh, i missed the etch part |
| 15:59.58 | [TechGuy] | stew: 2.4 freezes right after it says it's found the compressed init image |
| 16:00.02 | zinx | tuv: uhm, it tries to install build-essential |
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| 16:01.16 | dablade | stew: Thanks, nvidia compiled the module OK this time. |
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| 16:01.35 | dablade | stew: I only wanted to recompile the kernel so it too was gcc 4.1 |
| 16:01.44 | dablade | There's no need for that now, thanks. :) |
| 16:01.47 | dablade | brb |
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| 16:03.42 | bab | I am trying to use fwbuilder but the scripts that it builds need /usr/sbin/i whish is iproute but i have iproute installed, what is goign on with iproute? |
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| 16:04.11 | stew | bab: what does "which ip" say? |
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| 16:04.32 | stew | bab: i think you'll find it in /bin or /usr/bin, not /usr/sbin |
| 16:04.49 | DaBlade | stew: Seems to be working |
| 16:04.57 | DaBlade | stew: I'll just test the game now. :) |
| 16:05.18 | DaBlade | Woohoo, DMI works. |
| 16:05.24 | DaBlade | No wait |
| 16:05.27 | bab | stwe still no luck |
| 16:05.27 | DaBlade | I mean DRM |
| 16:05.28 | DaBlade | lol |
| 16:05.32 | DaBlade | direct rendering that is |
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| 16:05.40 | DaBlade | stew, abrotman: thanks |
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| 16:05.53 | stew | bab: what does "which ip" say? |
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| 16:07.51 | bab | aha /sbin/ip |
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| 16:09.52 | anabain | hi, does anybody know if I must crossover the four pairs for connecting two PCs with Gbit NICs with a Cat5e cable, or only crossover 2 pairs? I've been googling and I've found both versions... Do you now of any reliable info? |
| 16:10.36 | jbeez | why not cross all 4? |
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| 16:11.12 | cahoot | anabain: is it necessary to cross any? |
| 16:11.36 | petemc | gigabit uses all 4 pairs, i thought.. |
| 16:12.16 | anabain | cahoot, of course, it's a NIC to NIC connection |
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| 16:13.02 | stew | anabain: many (most?) gigabit cards will auto sense and crossover automatically so you can use a straight cable, if you need to create a crossover, cross all 4 pairs: 1->3, 2->6, 4->7 5->8 |
| 16:14.10 | SpComb | it's a possibility that you should check for |
| 16:14.14 | SpComb | I think they call it FDX |
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| 16:18.24 | anabain | stew, I have a weird problem: PC2 Gbit ---> 4 pair Crossover (not conventional color wiring, but correctly positioned) Cat5e cable ----> PC1 Gbit only works at 10, and this if I force PC2 NIC to 10 (I'm now trying with win$ in this PC, PC1 is deb); PC2 100/10 ----> same cable ---> PC1 Gbit works at 100 |
| 16:19.53 | anabain | stew, moreover, when set to autonegotiation the link "wants to" set up but it immediately fails... a cable issue? |
| 16:20.18 | stew | anabain: when you say not conventional but correctly positioned, is 3 + 6 a twisted pair and 4 + 5 a twisted pair? (if instead 3 + 4 and 5 + 6 are pairs, it would explain problems with negotiation) |
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| 16:23.39 | sjr | anyone know what s---w you means? |
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| 16:24.03 | sjr | apparently ronald regans pess secratary told it to clinton but I can't figure it out |
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| 16:24.50 | anabain | stew: pin 1) orange-w / green-w, 2) orange / blue, 3) green-w / orange-w, 4) green / brown-w, 5) blue-w / brown, 6) blue / orange, 7) brown-w / green, 8) brown / blue-w |
| 16:26.11 | stew | anabain: yeah, its not suprising you have speed problems. 3+4, 5+6 are twisted instead of 3+6, 4+5 |
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| 16:26.53 | cydork | sjr: screw you ! |
| 16:27.04 | sjr | wow thats it |
| 16:27.09 | sjr | thats pathetic |
| 16:27.14 | cydork | :P |
| 16:27.16 | [TechGuy] | screw is being blanked out? |
| 16:27.20 | sjr | yeah |
| 16:27.25 | [TechGuy] | I was about to say it's a write-only socket file .;) |
| 16:27.43 | sjr | nice |
| 16:27.44 | Mxyzpltk | if you want copper gigabit to work fine for more than a few days all must be done correctly, use 568A or 568B for cabling your connectors, in 1000BaseT and even 100BaseT frequency is very high, and if not done correctly signal loss will make your link fail, even at short distance, worst at long distance, and use good quality cable and connectors, anabain |
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| 16:28.17 | sjr | mmmm I could never get my debian box to get any faster than about 140 Mbps |
| 16:28.21 | anabain | stew, can you check if this is correct for a Gbit to Gbit connection? http://www.zytrax.com/tech/layer_1/cables/tech_lan.htm#100c |
| 16:28.25 | sjr | with my gigabit netwwork cards |
| 16:28.40 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3865 Please assist me in figuring out where reportbug upgrade went bad (tonight on FOX! :-) Seriously pycentral complaining - I don;t knwo where to start - cant uninstall or reinstall! |
| 16:28.48 | anabain | sjr, that would be enough for me, :) |
| 16:29.08 | sjr | It wasn't for me after I spent like 300 upgrading my network |
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| 16:29.31 | SpComb | sjr: that depends on a lot... quality/length of cable, if it's a cheap or a expensive gbe card, of it's sharing the pci bus, if the hard drives can keep up with it... |
| 16:29.49 | sjr | yeah |
| 16:29.51 | stew | anabain: yeah, those are correct. however you should try a regular cable. many gigE cards don't need a crossover |
| 16:29.54 | sjr | itdoesn't matter now |
| 16:30.43 | sjr | I actually shoould get going for school |
| 16:30.43 | Mxyzpltk | anabain: that is the correct wiring, make both ends the same A or the same B if going to a switch, mix A and B if you need a crossover |
| 16:30.43 | wols_ | sjr: "screw you" perhaps |
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| 16:30.54 | sjr | wols_ i think you are very lagged |
| 16:30.59 | havran | hi i have troubles with hp ml310 install |
| 16:31.03 | sjr | by the time you get this it will probably be :40 |
| 16:31.10 | sjr | where as when i type it its :32 |
| 16:31.11 | anabain | Mxyzpltk, but in these diagrams they are already mixed, aren't they? |
| 16:31.37 | stew | Mxyzpltk: no, mixing a and b doesn't work for gigabit |
| 16:31.40 | Mxyzpltk | yes, I saw it wrong, make them the same at both ends |
| 16:31.49 | anabain | ok |
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| 16:32.10 | stew | Mxyzpltk: becuase a and b are the same for pins 4,5,7,8 and for crossover 4->7, 5->8 |
| 16:32.19 | Mxyzpltk | anabain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/568B#Wiring |
| 16:32.35 | Mxyzpltk | stew: that's correct, I saw the diagram wrong |
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| 16:33.21 | anabain | thanx |
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| 16:33.50 | grendelson | I am running debian testing and tried to update/upgrade last night . reportbug failed to install with pycentral errors. Now it reports state is very bad and to reinstall - I tried with apt-get and dpkg manually but it fails ever time any help? |
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| 16:34.48 | Mxyzpltk | anabain: that color code was developed to reduce interference at high frequencies, so it must be used if you want the link to work for more than a few days, for gig and fast ethernet, any other order even if pin pairs match will cause the link to degrade over time and eventually fail |
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| 16:37.09 | crn | how do i reconfigure my sound card settings? i just upgraded and lost my sound card |
| 16:37.52 | Eulex | crn, run alsaconf |
| 16:38.05 | crn | Eulex, thanks |
| 16:38.13 | Eulex | yw :) |
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| 16:40.42 | anabain | Mxyzpltk, ok, that's why I asked for the relevance of the color convention. But the weird thing is that between a 10/100 and a 1000 it works at 100... |
| 16:42.00 | Mxyzpltk | it could even work at 1000 for a while, but you'll be better of with good wire before you keep troubleshooting, so you can eliminate the most common problem first |
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| 16:42.40 | wols_ | sjr: just reading the log sometimes |
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| 16:43.16 | stew | anabain: the green/green-white pairs are twisted, so that the data on the pair will cancel eachother out and not cause interference for the other 3 pairs. if you have the pins wired wrong then you aren't getting this cancelation so the pairs interfere with eachother, the higher the rate, the more interference, so its not suprising that you might have it working at slower speeds but not a higher speeds |
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| 16:43.42 | Mxyzpltk | also, autonegotiation is still not even close to perfect, some nics fail with some swithces and many other issues can come, so if you feel like auto is failing try to force it and see how it works, but if you are going to force it, make sure you can force both ends |
| 16:44.07 | stew | anabain: also note that 10/100 only uses 2 pairs and 1000 uses 4 pairs |
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| 16:44.31 | anabain | ok |
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| 16:49.18 | abrotman | DaBlade: get it all working ? |
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| 16:52.39 | disasm | playing with the idea of making my own debian install cd, but I don't really want to mess with the packaging. Will just creating a preseed and defaulting it on the cd allow me to have it auto-select every option except for networking and partioning, as well as allow me to run a custom script at the end of base-config? |
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| 16:55.44 | cydork | disasm: check http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs05.html#preseed-shell |
| 16:57.07 | cydork | disasm: also check http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 17:02.55 | GTX | How do I recomplie my kernel to support 1000 Timer frequency |
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| 17:03.35 | PDani__ | csa |
| 17:03.38 | PDani__ | van itt vmi sed-magus |
| 17:03.39 | PDani__ | ? |
| 17:03.58 | PDani__ | ki kene cserelni egy stringben a \-ket es a "-ket \\-re es \"-re |
| 17:04.13 | PDani__ | oh sorry |
| 17:04.16 | PDani__ | wrong channel :-D |
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| 17:04.41 | Joki2 | hi all |
| 17:04.42 | grendelson | Writing extended state information... Error! |
| 17:04.42 | grendelson | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the reportbug package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 17:04.52 | grendelson | E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root? |
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| 17:05.07 | grendelson | I've been getting the above whenever I try to update anything since failing reportbug install |
| 17:05.19 | grendelson | reportbug gives pycentral errors when I try to install remove purge anything |
| 17:05.27 | Joki2 | guys, i need help, how can i recover directly the winxp admin password? |
| 17:05.38 | grendelson | I AM running apt as root |
| 17:05.42 | [TechGuy] | you can't |
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| 17:06.27 | Ronin | Joki2: recover? you cant, reset easily |
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| 17:06.42 | d0uglas | on the business card etch installer, is there a way to have it use reiserfs instead of ext3? |
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| 17:07.26 | cydork | Joki2: recovering it will take time ;) |
| 17:07.49 | Ronin | takes longer to reboot the machine then it will to reset it, course they'll know you did it :) |
| 17:08.36 | airox | Ok. I've got an issue with the package called flex. It installs a file called /usr/lib/libfl.so This file get's detected by chkrootkit as part of the Showtee rootkit. |
| 17:08.36 | airox | I guess this isn't really wanted :) |
| 17:08.52 | petemc | the chkrootkit docs should mention some false positives |
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| 17:09.06 | [TechGuy] | anyone ever worked with OpenNMS? |
| 17:09.15 | Joki2 | without reseting the admin pass? |
| 17:09.17 | Joki2 | :) |
| 17:09.23 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 17:09.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:09.30 | abrotman | Joki2: wrong channel |
| 17:09.30 | [TechGuy] | yeah yeah yeah I know |
| 17:09.33 | airox | The package flex should hint me on this issue. |
| 17:10.42 | Joki2 | ok.. thx for the help |
| 17:10.42 | anapivirtua | Pom Pom Pom² |
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| 17:10.48 | Joki2 | :D |
| 17:10.49 | Joki2 | bye |
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| 17:11.05 | aptura | Does Ian murdock come here on occasion? |
| 17:11.13 | abrotman | why? |
| 17:11.21 | Ronin | aptura: i suspect not, he's got better things to do i trust |
| 17:11.27 | aptura | I must have drove past his car on highway 520 once in 2000 |
| 17:11.52 | abrotman | wtf |
| 17:12.14 | airox | hehehehe |
| 17:12.24 | aptura | I did not know he was working there at the time. Dont really know if he lived there most of his life. But I suspect the small bmw that was driving past me was mabey his. |
| 17:12.48 | Ronin | ohh ok aptura , got a debian question now? |
| 17:13.11 | GTX | How do I recomplie my kernel to support 1000HZ Timer frequency |
| 17:13.13 | aptura | no :) I have run it in the past as a base os for asterisk. |
| 17:13.33 | abrotman | !tell GTX about kp |
| 17:13.33 | wols_ | GTX: you are running ubuntu. ask in #ubuntu then |
| 17:13.42 | abrotman | or not |
| 17:14.04 | aptura | btw I am looking for a simple to run monitor utility to watch httpd can anyone recomend any other the mon ? mon does not want to make properly. |
| 17:14.17 | petemc | monit |
| 17:14.20 | airox | MONIT |
| 17:14.28 | airox | oops, 2 times. |
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| 17:15.37 | aptura | monit is a replacment for mon |
| 17:15.39 | aptura | ? |
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| 17:19.18 | AciD | am I alone to have this problem ? the wallpaper-tray configuration menu is non functionnal (etch version), hence, you can't choose walllpapers.. |
| 17:19.39 | AciD | (version 0.4.6-3+b2) |
| 17:19.47 | d0uglas | can i get the business card installer to use reiserfs? |
| 17:20.19 | GTX | wols_, No I'm not running Ubuntu |
| 17:20.44 | wols_ | GTX: then why are you asking in #ubuntu first? doesn't make sense |
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| 17:20.46 | GTX | abrotman, There any guides on the net about what I want? I've tried to do make menuconfig etc, But just cannot find an option for it |
| 17:20.50 | GTX | wols_, Was a mistake.. |
| 17:21.04 | abrotman | GTX: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 17:21.06 | nvz | yo yo, nvz in the house ;) |
| 17:21.31 | GTX | abrotman, and that helps how? |
| 17:21.35 | nvz | I was on a roll like cornmeal last night. |
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| 17:22.15 | abrotman | GTX: it helps everyone here believe oyu're running debian |
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| 17:23.34 | abrotman | ok .. well then |
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| 17:23.50 | grendelson | How can I forcefully remove a package that is in BAD state 9reportbug wont install or remove) stops all otehr pakages as well. |
| 17:24.10 | abrotman | grendelson: paste the issue |
| 17:24.10 | abrotman | !paster |
| 17:24.10 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 17:24.12 | karsten | grendelson: what fails in the remove? |
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| 17:24.27 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3865 |
| 17:24.30 | nvz | grendelson: ah, man you been on this for like 12 hours havent you? |
| 17:24.30 | grendelson | Here is the issue... |
| 17:24.33 | k1piee | investigating |
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| 17:25.04 | karsten | grendelson: generally: add "exit 0" to the top of postinst, or list the files, delete them, and edit /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 17:25.11 | karsten | grendelson: Generally making a backup first ;-) |
| 17:25.18 | grendelson | nvz Yeah I got only one suggestion that unfortunately was not helpful with this - I went to bad at like 2am do now I have a littel time to try agaom - I tried update and upgrade hoping it was fixed while I slept :-) |
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| 17:25.32 | nvz | grendelson: let me try one on you.. |
| 17:25.40 | nvz | grendelson: heres the ignorant way I solve these.. |
| 17:25.50 | karsten | grendelson: This is a pre-removal issue. |
| 17:25.56 | nvz | grendelson: go into the existing pre-removal script and change the offending exit code |
| 17:26.12 | nvz | grendelson: change it to a successful exit.. could be bad news.. but cant be worse than what you got now |
| 17:26.17 | abrotman | he might be able to just place reportbug on hold .. and then continue |
| 17:26.24 | grendelson | You guys are making sense but assuming I know exactly what your talking about - I'm guessing the removal script in inthe package somewher? |
| 17:26.24 | nvz | that too |
| 17:26.43 | karsten | grendelson: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename>.prerm |
| 17:26.45 | nvz | grendelson: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 17:26.59 | grendelson | aptitude tells me im not root when i try to install any package now - all related to the bad exit code? |
| 17:27.09 | karsten | grendelson: are you root? |
| 17:27.18 | grendelson | karsten: Yes in the console |
| 17:27.23 | karsten | grendelson: ... or does it suggest that there's another process that has the package database open? |
| 17:27.24 | nvz | grendelson: you werent root.. you used sudo |
| 17:27.26 | ofer0 | grendelson, whoami ? |
| 17:27.30 | karsten | grendelson: Check for other running apt processes. |
| 17:27.40 | grendelson | nvz - tried it both ways... |
| 17:27.43 | karsten | grendelson: ps waux | egrep '(apt|dpkg)' |
| 17:27.48 | nvz | grendelson: and it may be suggesting you might not be root.. the error message probably says specifically it cant lock the lockfile |
| 17:27.55 | nvz | grendelson: which means it may already be locked |
| 17:28.03 | grendelson | karsten: tells me reportbug is in bad state and then suggest Im not root. (when I am ) |
| 17:28.33 | grendelson | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the reportbug package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 17:28.33 | grendelson | E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root? |
| 17:29.01 | karsten | !win nvz |
| 17:29.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, nvz! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 17:29.15 | nvz | something else either has the dir locked.. another package tool.. or something forgot to remove the lock |
| 17:29.22 | nvz | heh |
| 17:29.29 | caverdude | hi, I can't seem to get my CNAME configured right, it keeps saying invalid hostname when I enter my domain? |
| 17:29.31 | karsten | grendelson: It's a stock error message. The lockfile can't be created, frequent cause is not being root. |
| 17:29.31 | nvz | I cant be worse than GWB |
| 17:29.38 | caverdude | regarding my dns setup |
| 17:29.42 | karsten | nvz: Don't prove yourself wrong. |
| 17:29.45 | wols_ | nvz: well it explains how he got to be POTUS... |
| 17:29.55 | karsten | caverdude: dot at the end? |
| 17:29.55 | wols_ | dpkg is handing out presidencies! |
| 17:29.55 | nvz | wols_: I dont know what that is |
| 17:30.04 | Renfield | How do I get the ncurses headers installed? |
| 17:30.06 | nvz | oh wait |
| 17:30.09 | nvz | now I get it |
| 17:30.13 | karsten | President of The United Stats. |
| 17:30.15 | karsten | states. |
| 17:30.18 | nvz | yeah I figured it out |
| 17:30.26 | karsten | also SCOTUS, VPOTUS, etc. |
| 17:30.29 | grendelson | When you say enter exit 0 at the top of the prerm script do you mean immediatley after the #!/bin/sh ? |
| 17:30.37 | karsten | grendelson: Yes. |
| 17:30.38 | caverdude | karsten what do you mean? |
| 17:30.50 | wols_ | Renfield: libncurses5-dev or os. it's a -dev package |
| 17:30.50 | karsten | caverdude: /msg dpkg paster |
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| 17:31.04 | karsten | caverdude: ... and post your zonefile + any relevant restart error messages. |
| 17:31.19 | caverdude | karsten can't paste this, its in a web interface |
| 17:31.33 | grendelson | and what do I delete to remove can't lock list directly error? |
| 17:31.36 | Renfield | wols_ Thanks. |
| 17:31.39 | karsten | caverdude: Sucks to be you. |
| 17:31.42 | caverdude | I enter my domain www.arksoft.org and then CNAME then my static IP and it says I have an invalid hostname |
| 17:31.58 | karsten | grendelson: check for any *other* apt/dpkg processes and kill them. |
| 17:32.01 | ofer0 | caverdude, if you don't know what's CNAME is, don't use it. |
| 17:32.07 | grendelson | karsten, OK |
| 17:32.18 | caverdude | ofer0 last time I setup dns service I thought I had to use it? |
| 17:32.24 | karsten | caverdude: cname doesnt' take an IP. |
| 17:32.28 | caverdude | which was a few years back |
| 17:32.36 | caverdude | karsten hrm |
| 17:32.48 | karsten | caverdude: CNAME == an alias. Eg: www.foo.com CNAME www.foo.com. |
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| 17:33.10 | grendelson | karsten, Nope Nada. No dpkg or apt foudn in ps -ef |
| 17:33.10 | karsten | caverdude: A records take IPs. CNAMEs don't. |
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| 17:33.27 | nvz | grendelson: synaptic, aptitude, dselcet.. |
| 17:33.30 | jbeez | no |
| 17:33.41 | jbeez | MX record should be a hostname |
| 17:33.42 | karsten | grendelson: ps waux |
| 17:33.53 | petemc | A record |
| 17:33.55 | karsten | jbeez: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. |
| 17:34.08 | caverdude | hrm |
| 17:34.20 | karsten | caverdude: What is this b0rken web interface? |
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| 17:34.55 | Coweater | is there any way to shift the picture in Xorg without using my monitor's controls? (kvm setup, one machine puts the picture off center) |
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| 17:35.11 | ofer0 | caverdude, what exactly you want to do with the DNS? |
| 17:35.13 | wols_ | caverdude: modelines. good luck |
| 17:35.24 | wols_ | erm Coweater of course :( |
| 17:35.29 | nvz | Coweater: probably adjusting the sync ranges or resetting a monitors digital memeory will solve it |
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| 17:35.49 | krion | hi |
| 17:35.52 | nvz | Coweater: there is either a bad range or the monitor has a memory for each display mode and one is offset |
| 17:36.06 | karsten | Coweater: Yes, vsync/hsync. xvidtune may help with this. |
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| 17:36.16 | nvz | Coweater: /msg dkpg sync |
| 17:36.27 | caverdude | ofer0 just setup my domain to point to my static IP |
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| 17:36.42 | caverdude | and setup any dns servers that my isp has If needed |
| 17:36.48 | Coweater | i have the same sync settings on both |
| 17:36.55 | grendelson | nvz karsten Still nothing - I am looking ps waux and top for any apt, syn, dpkg, dselect - nothing |
| 17:37.01 | grendelson | but still error. |
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| 17:37.08 | Coweater | but i think one is using different because it lacks memory/has a slower refresh |
| 17:37.10 | ofer0 | caverdude, domain.com. IN A 1.2.3.4 |
| 17:37.11 | karsten | grendelson: Any disk issues? Is /var writeable? |
| 17:37.13 | nvz | Coweater: and? I suppose they are identical monitors and display adapters? |
| 17:37.19 | ofer0 | caverdude, but create an SOA for it first. |
| 17:37.27 | Coweater | only one monitor, kvm, but different display adapters |
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| 17:37.37 | nvz | Coweater: screens arent calculated by sync alone.. depends on memory, adapter, driver, and monitor |
| 17:37.47 | disasm | cydork: thanks for the links! |
| 17:37.51 | Coweater | so i'm just stuck playing with things? |
| 17:37.51 | FernandoMM | Hello, i have two servers and i want to create a high availability file server. Actually i need to realtime sync between those servers. What options do i have? |
| 17:37.52 | nvz | Coweater: dont use fuzzy logic to rule out proper settings |
| 17:38.16 | grendelson | karsten - no disk issues I know of and no issue with var in the year or so this machien running. Just after the reportbug app upgrade failed did all this start |
| 17:38.27 | grendelson | drwxr-xr-x 17 root root 392 2006-07-29 16:22 . |
| 17:38.27 | grendelson | drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 1024 2006-08-02 16:51 .. |
| 17:38.32 | grendelson | That is VAR ls -la |
| 17:38.41 | anabain | stew, Mxyzpltk , thank you very much! Now it works perfectly! 1 Gbps!!! |
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| 17:38.48 | Ox0F0-0FF | !dpkg mjpegtools |
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| 17:38.53 | caverdude | ofer0 ok thanks, I just did www A my.static.ip.address |
| 17:38.58 | Mxyzpltk | anabain: good |
| 17:39.13 | caverdude | it said www.mydomain.com was pointing to my static ip |
| 17:39.29 | caverdude | but don't I have to make name server entries? |
| 17:39.36 | anabain | abrotman, LAN problem solved. There's nothing eternal... |
| 17:39.43 | yang | I get the following error, while installing webmin -> http://paste.debian.net/13799 |
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| 17:40.22 | ofer0 | caverdude, you have to do many things. it's DNS, it's fucked up. |
| 17:40.23 | abrotman | yang: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 17:41.31 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3866 Here is output from apt-get after trying to update upgrade (after adding exit 0 to prerm of reportbug) |
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| 17:41.45 | wols_ | !webmin |
| 17:41.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 17:42.33 | yang | abrotman: look at this http://paste.debian.net/13800 |
| 17:42.47 | nvz | you have about a 33.3% chance of getting electricuted shoving knives into live outlets supposing they are all metal and conduct electricity |
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| 17:42.50 | anabain | btw, stew, finally I've made a 4 pair crossover connection. How would it be without crossover? |
| 17:43.42 | yang | wols_: its the only gui tool available for debian administration |
| 17:44.15 | Ronin | yang: then dont use it, its not necessary, |
| 17:45.21 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3867 < her is more after trying to apt-get install reportbug. Still stuck... |
| 17:45.28 | abrotman | anabain: ? |
| 17:45.42 | abrotman | yang: i'm pretty sure it's telling you exactly what's wrong |
| 17:46.07 | wols_ | yang: are you running sarge/stable? |
| 17:46.08 | yang | abrotman: miniserv.pem ... |
| 17:46.15 | yang | yes sarge |
| 17:46.27 | yang | I need a GUI admin interface for my client |
| 17:46.30 | anabain | abrotman, Gbit cable problem... |
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| 17:46.43 | abrotman | yang: no you don't |
| 17:46.49 | abrotman | anabain: SEE .. i said that! |
| 17:47.01 | wols_ | yang: the question is: does your client want a rooted host? |
| 17:47.42 | yang | wols_: oh well, if it isnt secure enough to run it, then i wont |
| 17:47.51 | caverdude | well I think its setup correctly, now all we can do is wait... sounds like an medical "operation" |
| 17:48.13 | caverdude | "the apendix is out, all we can do now is wait" |
| 17:48.24 | abrotman | wtf |
| 17:48.50 | caverdude | wait on the propogation of the name servers |
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| 17:50.46 | khermans | if i want to make a perl script run at system startup every time, can i add "@reboot /path/to/script.pl" to /etc/crontab -- or is there a better way? it doesnt seem to be running my test script which calls system("shutdown -r now") |
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| 17:51.01 | cydork | !startup |
| 17:51.01 | dpkg | If you want your Debian system to run a script at startup, say 'your_script' do the following: put your script in /etc/init.d/your_script; then create the following symbolic link: ln -s ../init.d/your_script /etc/rc?.d/SXXyour_script, where ? is the desired runlevel, S is the letter S and XX is a number between 00 and 99. The number indicates the order in which scripts get executed. |
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| 17:52.37 | yang | wols_: what do you think of installing cpanel into a server, some providers offer that |
| 17:52.49 | abrotman | it's not in debian |
| 17:52.58 | wols_ | yang: I think asking about panels and such in here is the wrong place :) |
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| 17:53.09 | wols_ | we're all ssh bigots here :) |
| 17:53.18 | blondie | oops wrong window |
| 17:53.21 | abrotman | !icecream blondie |
| 17:53.31 | wols_ | blondie: please continue. what were you saying again? |
| 17:53.43 | blondie | wols_: it would shock you |
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| 17:54.12 | nvz | heh |
| 17:54.21 | wols_ | blondie: please try! |
| 17:54.45 | karsten | blondie: Mind, some of us are exceptionally easily shocked and offended. |
| 17:54.47 | stew | anabain:: what i was trying to say is that many cards these days will detect that they have been plugged host to host instead of host to hub/switch and will crossover for you, so you can use the same cable for either type of connection |
| 17:54.51 | k1piee | I'll find out |
| 17:54.52 | karsten | blondie: ... but I'm not one of them. |
| 17:54.59 | blondie | karsten: such people annoy me |
| 17:55.06 | blondie | cydork: pm to my bf x.x |
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| 17:56.16 | apokalypsaaaa | hallo have do you somebody repro 5.1 ? |
| 17:56.19 | khermans | cydork, yes but can that be a perl script or only a bash script in init.d ? |
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| 17:57.00 | cydork | khermans: it can be any freekin executable |
| 17:57.36 | treat | why doesn' |
| 17:57.55 | treat | why doesn't my interface get the op address assigned by dhcp? |
| 17:57.56 | apokalypsaaaa | I have problem i dont know going 5.1 audio in my debian etch... |
| 17:58.01 | treat | ip |
| 17:58.09 | apokalypsaaaa | me play only stereo |
| 17:58.46 | Brian_L | is there a channel related to Etch? |
| 17:58.51 | treat | the ip address assigned by dhcp is 192.168.0.3 but ifconfig says 169.254.57.3 |
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| 17:59.16 | karsten | Brian_L: Yes, here. |
| 17:59.21 | streuner_ | Brian_: the /topic sounds like ;-) |
| 17:59.27 | wols_ | name of a console graphical browser? |
| 17:59.38 | wols_ | and: can one get sshots of its output? |
| 17:59.40 | karsten | wols_: w3m-img, elinks2 |
| 17:59.59 | wols_ | thx |
| 18:00.01 | karsten | wols_: Not sure, you'd want to be running framebuffer console. |
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| 18:01.45 | Brian_L | Im having trouble getting vmware-player to run on Etch? Anyone have any tips or links? |
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| 18:02.13 | wols_ | thx |
| 18:02.16 | streuner_ | even the demo-version is supported by vmware |
| 18:02.26 | streuner_ | so ask them, we don't support vmware |
| 18:04.01 | grendelson | karsten, I was able to backup , remove all reportbug files in v/l/d/info/ and edit status to remove reportbug - that allowed me to continue. Now when I try to upgrade I have a problem removing 2.6.17 linux-kernel since spca5xx depends and when I try to remove that it gripes that /lib/modules/2.6.17-1-686 isnt available -it's not I had to remove it when I ran out of space! I know I ko stupid but I use 2.6.15 anyway - didnt think it |
| 18:04.01 | grendelson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:05.30 | karsten | grendelson: Can't help right now, ask channel. |
| 18:05.56 | grendelson | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.15 | grendelson | karsten, Thanks for the reportbug work around though |
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| 18:08.00 | streuner_ | grendelson: you can't compile that module by hand? |
| 18:09.06 | streuner_ | no, you don't have to reinstall |
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| 18:09.29 | darkskiez | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! sysvinit-utils |
| 18:09.33 | darkskiez | Is that expected? |
| 18:09.37 | grendelson | streuner_, I was 100Full on root - I saw I had a large amount of sapce used my lib/modules so I wiped on eI did not need 2.6.17 - now the spca remove complains it cant write to non-existene 2.6.17 modules files... SO not sure if I have to reinstall 2.6.17 linux kernel to get backmodules files/folders? |
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| 18:10.42 | grendelson | streuner_, gosh it was a long time ago I screwed with m-a and spca5 drivers and what not 0 I was jsut trying to uninstall - is it a matter of running m-a and reinstall that driver? |
| 18:10.49 | nelf_ | Where is broadcast ping these days? |
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| 18:11.19 | nelf_ | I ping 192.168.101.255 and get nowt back these days |
| 18:11.27 | streuner_ | grendelson: there is a nice website about, IIRC |
| 18:11.29 | nelf_ | nothing in the manual about it neither. |
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| 18:11.54 | nelf_ | dpkg just says pong when I ask it about ping (bless it) |
| 18:12.15 | streuner_ | grendelson: you should read the docs of the source-code which is available too |
| 18:12.19 | streuner_ | in debian |
| 18:12.21 | darkskiez | nelf_: ping -b ? |
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| 18:12.35 | martianixor | hello, I've downloaded the first testing iso cd from here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ 2 days ago or so, when I downloaded the 2nd today I had to download and delete twice because the MD5SUM check failed |
| 18:12.46 | nelf_ | no such option darkskieq |
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| 18:12.50 | nelf_ | no such option darkskiez |
| 18:12.55 | martianixor | when I got the latest MD5SUM it passed |
| 18:12.55 | grendelson | streuner - Yeah removing the /lib/modules was a BAD idea. Now everytime I try m-a prepare or anyting it tries to touch the nonexistent 2.6.17 kernel modules... |
| 18:12.57 | grendelson | +SHeesh |
| 18:13.02 | darkskiez | nelf_: iputils-ping |
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| 18:13.11 | grendelson | Now I need to reinstall 2.6.17 linux kernel I think andthen remove it |
| 18:13.27 | streuner_ | grendelson: you removed the *whole* /lib/modules folder? |
| 18:13.29 | martianixor | if I burned that 2nd cd and used it with the 1st iso cd from the older testing cds set would that be a problem? |
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| 18:14.04 | wols_ | martianixor: don't mix |
| 18:14.14 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 18:14.14 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 18:14.16 | grendelson | streuner: No just the modules sub dirs I did not use (old 2.4 and 2.6.17 - they were eating up my whole root and I had a failed install waiting space... I went to quick without thinking ahead - now trying to clean up |
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| 18:14.33 | CHodapp | streuner_, what are you going to use when Woody isn't common anymore? |
| 18:14.55 | grendelson | "reember what she did to his 'sarge' still works" |
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| 18:15.08 | CHodapp | not as good |
| 18:15.19 | grendelson | true true |
| 18:15.51 | grendelson | A comment regarding sarge at attention was screaming to be made but good taste states otherwise! |
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| 18:16.27 | wols_ | when etch will be stable, there is a real problem |
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| 18:16.36 | lanjelot | hi all! what's the command to create an empty file giving it proper ownerships and permissions ? |
| 18:16.53 | streuner_ | touch and chmod |
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| 18:17.03 | nelf_ | darkskiez: that doesn't seem to be doing what it used to ... no broadcast responses, and the local address comes back as unreachable :( |
| 18:17.18 | streuner_ | man chgrp and chown help too |
| 18:17.20 | nelf_ | I want dups! |
| 18:17.32 | darkskiez | nelf_: is your netmask wrong |
| 18:17.35 | lanjelot | streuner: isn't there a command to do is all at once ? |
| 18:17.40 | darkskiez | nelf_: and/or your broadcast |
| 18:17.56 | darkskiez | nelf_: local address unreachable? wtf? u got some heavy firewall ? |
| 18:18.13 | streuner_ | lanjelot: reading man pages about permissions doesn't hurd, so just start now (/msg ravenbird permissions) |
| 18:18.22 | nelf_ | Good grief! Wtf is going on... I've been D-Linked! |
| 18:18.33 | MtJB | d-linked? |
| 18:18.54 | MtJB | does that mean you steal gpl'd code? |
| 18:19.19 | CHodapp | only if SCO says so |
| 18:19.36 | nelf_ | darkskiez: Sorted, thanks |
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| 18:20.01 | darkskiez | nelf_: what was it ? |
| 18:20.24 | nelf_ | Netmask.. |
| 18:20.32 | darkskiez | cool |
| 18:20.33 | darkskiez | np |
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| 18:21.01 | nelf_ | My DLink router decided to set itself back to it's factory defaults for no discernable reason, and dhcpd me a borked netmask |
| 18:21.07 | nelf_ | the other day |
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| 18:21.24 | darkskiez | so did my maw's linkspiss |
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| 18:22.03 | nelf_ | I swapped my linksys in for the Dlink because it wouldn't work with my ADSL connection |
| 18:22.24 | nelf_ | I hate adsl modems |
| 18:22.33 | nelf_ | In fact, I hate adsl |
| 18:22.42 | CHodapp | Cable sometimes sucks too |
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| 18:23.03 | nelf_ | yep. Satellite rocks, but only coz I'm a space cadet, I think |
| 18:23.19 | nelf_ | You really feel the ping |
| 18:23.34 | CHodapp | Particularly when you call Time Warner when it's down and they exclaim "OH! We know the problem!" and come and replace your modem\cable line\cable box and then things work for another few days before being unreliable again |
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| 18:23.50 | darkskiez | I was at in cable companies test lab, and they had one 36Mbit Cable Modem Termination System, per 1000 customers |
| 18:23.56 | darkskiez | i was a bit shocked |
| 18:24.04 | nelf_ | Makes yer internet experience _mellow_, coz you can't go rushing about. |
| 18:24.13 | nelf_ | darkskiez: Thats a criminal contention ratio |
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| 18:24.51 | stadtfilter | mh, I try to set up my raid (mdadm), it works so far with /boot, but when I want to add /dev/hda3 it says "could not bd_clim hda3". Also I'm not able to mount hda3. it says it is already mounted, but mount does not show hda3 mounted anywhere...any hint how to see where it might be mounted? |
| 18:24.52 | lanjelot | streuner_: (/msg ravenbird permissions) didn't help. I just wanted to do what install(1) does but just touching one file |
| 18:25.11 | wols_ | lanjelot: why are you asking in ubuntu AND debian? |
| 18:25.19 | wols_ | so what are you running lanjelot? |
| 18:25.51 | lanjelot | kubuntu |
| 18:25.57 | lanjelot | and gento |
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| 18:26.02 | wols_ | then ask #ubuntu, not debian |
| 18:26.26 | lanjelot | but it's not distro relative |
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| 18:26.43 | lanjelot | and nobody answered me on ##linux |
| 18:27.02 | wols_ | it doesn't matter. ew can only support debian, nothing else |
| 18:27.03 | lanjelot | so i just thought i'd ask on the most populated chans |
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| 18:28.49 | martianixor | wols_, I'd be able to install that "considered old now" cd which I've already burned then update or upgrade? |
| 18:29.11 | wols_ | martianixor: withing reaon: yes |
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| 18:32.03 | martianixor | withing reaon? |
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| 18:32.23 | wols_ | martianixor: not a 2 year old testing or such |
| 18:32.31 | martianixor | no |
| 18:32.35 | martianixor | it's 2 days old |
| 18:33.11 | roler | Every day, I get a "run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/mysql-server exited with return code 1" error message email. I have ran the script by itself and it produces no errors, and I have recently deleted it. so this file doesn't even exist and something is still running it. How can I stop these errors? Yes, I have restarted cron everytime just in case... |
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| 18:43.35 | fbn | how can I prevent freshclam to be executed with cron automatically? |
| 18:44.10 | liran_ | check your cron.d directories under /etc |
| 18:45.27 | fbn | thanks! |
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| 18:47.59 | itchi | With which tools can i get the lastest part of 'ups.model: Protection Center 675', I mean i need the part 'Protection Center 675'. It's been possible that ther part are only one word. So awk '{print $2 $3 $4} will not be are realy right i think |
| 18:48.35 | itchi | With 'cut' it's also not yet right too, but possible i'm miss |
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| 18:49.35 | morrye | Is there a visual debian? |
| 18:49.44 | Eclipser | wtf? |
| 18:49.49 | itchi | morrye: What mean you with visual? |
| 18:49.52 | Xxri | ? |
| 18:49.53 | Eclipser | sounds like an MS product |
| 18:49.56 | morrye | I installed and its just command line |
| 18:50.06 | Xxri | apt-get install x-window-system kde |
| 18:50.08 | itchi | morrye: Hhhm you want X ? |
| 18:50.11 | Xxri | then install gdm |
| 18:50.17 | morrye | what do I run? |
| 18:50.18 | nelf_ | Yeah, I heard MS were gong to rebrand Debian 'Visual Debian' now they bought it |
| 18:50.27 | morrye | k |
| 18:50.34 | Xxri | sudo apt-get install x-window-syetem-core kde gdm |
| 18:50.35 | petemc | itchi: if its always the bit after a colon, awk -F ":" '{print $2}' |
| 18:50.37 | Xxri | Just type that |
| 18:50.40 | wols_ | !tell morrye about grounding |
| 18:50.54 | morrye | I mean like ubuntu |
| 18:51.10 | Xxri | Ubuntu is based on debian.. |
| 18:51.37 | morrye | yeah but I installed debain and its just command line |
| 18:51.37 | wols_ | morrye: #ubunru |
| 18:51.37 | itchi | morrye: If you want to take it like an lazy; make use of tasksel an choose for en desktop environment. Can be are interensting the first times. Then when you are more experienced, not make use of tasksel and install what you need |
| 18:51.37 | Xxri | morrye: I jsut explained EVERYTHING to you |
| 18:51.37 | wols_ | morrye: #ubuntu |
| 18:51.39 | itchi | petemc: Yes, just after that : |
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| 18:51.43 | morrye | I don't want ubuntu |
| 18:51.54 | morrye | I want to install debian but so its not just command line |
| 18:52.09 | Xxri | morrye: once you're toor, 'apt-get install w-window-system kde gdm' |
| 18:52.13 | printk | morrye: uhrm apt-get install <wm or DE> |
| 18:52.16 | Xxri | And you'll have your graphical environment |
| 18:52.17 | wols_ | mrew: install kdm too and it is like ubuntu |
| 18:52.25 | Xxri | ubuntu uses gdm |
| 18:52.37 | wols_ | Xxri: but he uses kde |
| 18:52.43 | Xxri | You can use gdm with kde |
| 18:52.43 | rollinchrome | I am flaking after a long arduous failure to move from ubuntu to gentoo. What's the most straightforward way to install debian these days? |
| 18:52.56 | itchi | petemc: Coooool :-) |
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| 18:53.10 | itchi | petemc: Working like expected ;-) Thanks mate |
| 18:53.12 | printk | rollinchrome: download the netinst iso |
| 18:53.17 | morrye | apt-get install w-window-system kde gdm |
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| 18:53.20 | nelf_ | rollinchrome: I normally get a netinst cd image |
| 18:53.22 | morrye | so that isntalls something visual? |
| 18:53.30 | Xxri | x-window-syetem |
| 18:53.33 | Xxri | system* |
| 18:53.35 | Xxri | and yes. |
| 18:53.36 | rollinchrome | printk, does the netinst do my eth0 config? |
| 18:53.41 | petemc | itchi: good shit, no |
| 18:53.44 | petemc | np |
| 18:53.48 | printk | rollinchrome: it should, if not you can go to a console to set it up |
| 18:53.52 | morrye | Xxri: thanks I will try that |
| 18:53.54 | nelf_ | morrye: It will get you a lovely graphical user interface |
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| 18:53.59 | Xxri | np |
| 18:54.02 | wols_ | rollinchrome: depends on your eth0 chip |
| 18:54.05 | itchi | petemc: Yeah, awk is so helpfull. Maybe the system here ;-) |
| 18:54.10 | rollinchrome | printk, gosh I yearn for debian. thanks for the help. |
| 18:54.10 | wols_ | rollinchrome: boot the CD with "linux26" |
| 18:54.20 | petemc | awk rocketh mightily |
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| 18:54.29 | rollinchrome | wols_, linux26 as opposed to ...? |
| 18:54.37 | Xxri | 2.4 |
| 18:54.45 | wols_ | rollinchrome: as opposed to <enter> |
| 18:54.47 | Xxri | 2.6 is the kernel |
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| 18:55.04 | Xxri | By pressing enter is defaults to 2.4 |
| 18:55.43 | wols_ | rollinchrome: you still haven't said what your eth0 is |
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| 18:56.30 | rollinchrome | wols_, i need to run a really new version of libc6 for an application I use. do I need unstable? |
| 18:56.50 | Xxri | no |
| 18:56.53 | Xxri | backports |
| 18:57.02 | wols_ | testing should be enough for the libc6 thing |
| 18:57.11 | wols_ | Xxri: do you know of a libc6 backport? |
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| 18:57.22 | rollinchrome | Xxri, so a new libc6 won't break older things that depend on it? |
| 18:57.22 | Xxri | I know im running it on etch.. |
| 18:57.26 | wols_ | rollinchrome: how new a version? |
| 18:57.38 | Xxri | You can rollback if you have trouble.. |
| 18:57.41 | wols_ | Xxri: etch backports? since when? |
| 18:57.49 | rollinchrome | wols_, well let me check. |
| 18:57.57 | wols_ | Xxri: roll back libc6? how? |
| 18:58.08 | Xxri | Just get the source x[ |
| 18:58.19 | Xxri | Ill make a .deb if it's too much trouble |
| 18:58.37 | rollinchrome | wols_, 2.3.6-6 |
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| 18:58.42 | wols_ | dpkg itself depends on libc6. so how would you install over that broken licb6? |
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| 18:59.08 | wols_ | rollinchrome: that -6 at the end is a bit strange. not a real libc6 version number... |
| 18:59.42 | rollinchrome | wols_, I tried upgrading to this (2.3.6-6 libc) and fried UBUNTU in one action. |
| 18:59.55 | wols_ | testing has 2.3.6 |
| 19:00.02 | rollinchrome | wols_, where can i learn more about versions? |
| 19:00.04 | wols_ | stable does not |
| 19:00.11 | wols_ | packages.debian.org |
| 19:00.18 | wols_ | has all packages in debian |
| 19:00.20 | rollinchrome | wols_, thanks a bagillion. |
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| 19:01.53 | MatBoy | I forgot the nice fancy SFTP manager for KDE, not something like secpanel, it was nicer in looks |
| 19:03.50 | pack | what's the mechanism for configuring how cvs watch operates? i need to modify the sendmail command it uses to set a proper return path and i'm not having any luck |
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| 19:07.03 | nefertum | hi, i'm trying to use NetworkManager with knetworkmanager, but it doesnt detect my wireless card |
| 19:07.13 | nefertum | I can, however, configure it using wireless-tools |
| 19:07.22 | nefertum | i'm using debian unstable |
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| 19:08.17 | enouf | mk3y : nice one |
| 19:08.36 | mk3y | huh? |
| 19:08.48 | enouf | the signoff text |
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| 19:09.18 | mk3y | ^^ |
| 19:10.06 | enouf | nefertum: I'm not sure why you'd bother then - but dpkg -l knetworkmanager |
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| 19:10.52 | enouf | nefertum: whoops - dpkg -l network-manager-kde |
| 19:11.01 | cydork | MatBoy, just had 2 :P |
| 19:12.01 | MatBoy | cydork, damn, think about your job man :p even if you don't drink beer, you can't pass that test almost :p |
| 19:12.55 | cydork | MatBoy, hehhe |
| 19:13.19 | enouf | nefertum: /join #debian-kde and see http://en.opensuse.org/Projects/KNetworkManager |
| 19:13.21 | MatBoy | !beer cydork because it doesn't matter anymore ;) |
| 19:13.33 | nefertum | thanks enouf |
| 19:13.44 | enouf | cydork: see stoned for free piss |
| 19:13.58 | tuv | can network-manager do wpa yet? |
| 19:14.04 | MatBoy | enouf, piss ? |
| 19:14.23 | abrotman | budweiser |
| 19:14.31 | enouf | nefertum: no prob .. 'apt-cache show netqwork-manager-kde' gives that url ;-) |
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| 19:14.38 | enouf | typo^^ |
| 19:14.38 | Ronin | speaking of piss, ick budweiser |
| 19:14.53 | enouf | MatBoy: shaddup |
| 19:14.57 | enouf | :-p |
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| 19:15.03 | cydork | enouf, huh? |
| 19:15.18 | enouf | cydork: n-e-v-e-r-m-i-n-d |
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| 19:15.41 | enouf | Ronin: true dat! |
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| 19:15.55 | enouf | Ronin: I think they use clyesdale piss |
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| 19:16.02 | enouf | clydesdale even |
| 19:16.11 | Ronin | heh, cant, that would at least give it some flavor and color |
| 19:16.48 | enouf | Ronin: they dilute the heck out of it .. it's like 1% horse pee and 99% city water supply |
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| 19:17.01 | Ronin | :) |
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| 19:17.41 | morrye | Xxri: that didn't worl |
| 19:17.42 | morrye | work* |
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| 19:19.43 | brick | i'm trying to set up a RAM disk for tests. ram11 (e.g.) seems to be 8388608 bytes in size. how can i increase this? |
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| 19:21.05 | morrye | ; |
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| 19:25.44 | MatBoy | enouf, damn, strong beer :p |
| 19:26.22 | enouf | MatBoy: you'll be pulling wagons in no time |
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| 19:26.30 | Shadowcat | since when does enouf give out beer? |
| 19:26.35 | Shadowcat | all he deals in is methanol |
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| 19:27.21 | enouf | ethanol and methane too -- notice my super cow powers! |
| 19:27.23 | enouf | !moo |
| 19:27.24 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:27.25 | usama | hi all |
| 19:27.25 | SEN-5421 | Hi ... when I try to : apt-get install dvdbackup ; I get some message asking me to APT::Force-LoopBreak because of e2fsprogs |
| 19:27.29 | usama | i want to download a sequence of webpages (i.e http://www.webpage.com/01.html to http://www.webpage.com/100.html), how can i do this by wget or any other software? |
| 19:27.31 | SEN-5421 | what can I do to fix this? |
| 19:27.56 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:27.56 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:28.03 | slidesinger | usama: What browser do you use? |
| 19:37.17 | tarzeau | usama: wget shell and {} with `seq` ? |
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| 19:37.17 | usama | slidesinger: firefox, i also have konqueror and opera |
| 19:37.17 | tarzeau | usama: and links2 ? |
| 19:37.17 | petemc | usama: curl could do that easily |
| 19:37.17 | usama | tarzeau: can u tell me the exact command ( i am a new one) |
| 19:37.17 | tarzeau | petemc: but wget can do it too |
| 19:37.17 | tarzeau | usama: can you tell me the exact url? |
| 19:37.17 | petemc | tarzeau: and? |
| 19:37.18 | usama | tarzeau: sorry |
| 19:37.18 | tarzeau | petemc: tell me how curl can do it better/easier? |
| 19:37.18 | slidesinger | usama: firefox has an extension for that. Look for it here: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions.php?app=firefox |
| 19:37.18 | tarzeau | slidesinger: yuck |
| 19:37.18 | tarzeau | slidesinger: and it'll not crash somewhere in between? |
| 19:37.19 | petemc | curl http://foo.com/[1-100].html |
| 19:37.19 | tarzeau | slidesinger: or run out of memory? |
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| 19:37.20 | usama | slidesinger: hmm leme check |
| 19:37.20 | slidesinger | tarzeau: Don't know. I have fixed my firefox to launch wget for downloads. Another firefox extension. |
| 19:37.20 | enouf | usama man kget, man wget |
| 19:37.20 | tarzeau | slidesinger: this is pervertedly sick :) |
| 19:37.20 | tarzeau | slidesinger: but yes it makes sense since the firefox download manager is horrible |
| 19:37.21 | enouf | SEN-5421: do apt-get -s install dvdbackup and pastebin the results using a pastebin site |
| 19:37.21 | usama | slidesinger: its a lot of extensions there, can u tell me the name of one u mentioned for downloading |
| 19:37.21 | slidesinger | tarzeau: Hey, it launches wget in an xterm and you have the option to leave it open or close it on the completion of the download. The beauty of open source: make it work the way you want it to. |
| 19:37.21 | MatBoy | enouf, blurgh :P |
| 19:37.21 | tarzeau | slidesinger: you mean free software |
| 19:37.22 | tarzeau | slidesinger: pity that will not work with all free software |
| 19:37.22 | tarzeau | slidesinger: or is there an extension to make firefox display ANY file in the current window? |
| 19:37.22 | slidesinger | tarzeau: As long as you don't mean free as in free beer. |
| 19:37.22 | tarzeau | slidesinger: or find out that it has an opener for a file before it finishes downloading? |
| 19:37.23 | slidesinger | tarzeau: I don't know. There are 100's of extensions. |
| 19:37.23 | tarzeau | slidesinger: i know perfectly the difference between free software and freeware |
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| 19:37.23 | enouf | bbl folks -- atleast 15min |
| 19:37.23 | slidesinger | usama: I don't know the name of the extension. But if this is your first time there, there are lots of useful extensions there. It's worth a browse. |
| 19:37.24 | slidesinger | Later all. |
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| 19:37.25 | bbelt16ag | hi |
| 19:37.25 | bbelt16ag | what is the package i need to install so i can get X back on my server? |
| 19:37.25 | bbelt16ag | the 86 version should be ok .. |
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| 19:38.06 | asg | bbelt16ag: it depends on which debian version you are running |
| 19:38.17 | bbelt16ag | 2.4 stable. |
| 19:38.24 | asg | bbelt16ag: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 19:38.25 | bbelt16ag | i think dpkg just answered my question .. |
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| 19:39.01 | wathek | hello all |
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| 19:42.37 | csmiller | wathek - just as if you have a question |
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| 19:42.51 | Trek00 | hello: I've already asked to #postfix but noone answered: I don't know if it is possible (and how to do) to configure postfix with virtual users to run a command instead to deliver to a mailbox, like the .qmail in qmail :) or if it is possibile to have multiple mailbox for a single virtual user depending on some header. Thank you :) |
| 19:42.58 | wathek | lol |
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| 19:46.49 | nvz | I was worried this ebay store in town would be competition if I tried to open a similar business.. I just went and checked it out.. this guy is a pushover.. I fixed his computer for him while we sat and talked business :P |
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| 19:47.05 | simonrvn | wooooo! |
| 19:47.18 | rockzman | Could someone help me to setup my local dns server |
| 19:47.33 | simonrvn | rockzman: don't /msg people without asking first |
| 19:47.35 | nvz | he takes 25% and got no insurance I could roll over him in my sleep |
| 19:47.54 | rockzman | simonrvn i didnt? |
| 19:47.59 | simonrvn | yes you did |
| 19:47.59 | asg | rockzman: try #dns |
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| 19:48.14 | Trek00 | rockzman: dns server acting as cache or as zone server? |
| 19:48.17 | jnz | hi everybody |
| 19:48.24 | jnz | can anyone give me a link to a website where i can find 720k linux floppy boot disk ? |
| 19:48.25 | nvz | I'd hate to do it because he's in the same boat as me.. hard working carpenter whos injuries got him looking for other sources of income |
| 19:48.30 | jnz | linux, unix, bsd or other.. |
| 19:48.36 | nvz | but this isnt show friends, its show business |
| 19:48.42 | Trek00 | jnz: try trinux |
| 19:48.45 | simonrvn | 720kB? yikes |
| 19:49.04 | jnz | Trek00 > thank you :) |
| 19:49.26 | [TechGuy] | Digging an old 286 out of the graveyard? |
| 19:49.27 | jnz | yes 720 |
| 19:49.45 | jnz | no i have an Omnibook 600c where no 1,44 want to boot |
| 19:49.47 | abrotman | !elks |
| 19:49.47 | dpkg | hmm... elks is http://elks.sf.net/ and is the Embeddable Linux Kernel Subset, a project to build a small kernel subset of Linux (which will provide more or less UNIX V7 functionality within the kernel) that can run on machines with limited processor and memory resources. The initial proposed targets are the Intel 8086 and eventually the 286's 16-bit protected mode. |
| 19:49.50 | bbelt16ag | .... |
| 19:49.51 | jnz | so i'll try 720k... |
| 19:50.00 | bbelt16ag | i think i know what has been going on .. |
| 19:50.14 | rockzman | Trek00 i dont understand the meaning of both terms but let me try to explain what i do need: my clients are going to use the own server ip as dns server |
| 19:50.16 | bbelt16ag | *smackes self in the head really REALLY HARD!* |
| 19:50.18 | jnz | abrotman > thank you very much |
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| 19:50.42 | bbelt16ag | i have been thinking my machine is a 2.4 kernel and instead its a 2.6 |
| 19:50.45 | bbelt16ag | guh! |
| 19:50.55 | Trek00 | rockzman: try to install dnsmasq |
| 19:51.14 | nvz | Kage: let me know if you want to come over and play with this ipod I almost sold it once already and I am planning on listing it on ebay. I'll be around all evening |
| 19:51.24 | rockzman | Trek00 i did |
| 19:51.28 | rockzman | it started the service |
| 19:51.31 | rockzman | but i still cant solve |
| 19:51.42 | rockzman | Trek00 ** server can't find uol.com.br: REFUSED |
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| 19:52.33 | Trek00 | rockzman: you must configure /etc/dnsmasq.conf line resolv-file=/etc/resolv.conf.dnsmasq |
| 19:52.52 | Trek00 | rockzman: and then put the dns server ip address in the /etc/resolv.conf.dnsmasq |
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| 19:53.20 | martoss | hi there |
| 19:53.45 | rockzman | ok lets try |
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| 19:53.51 | martoss | when I start mysql, i get a: |
| 19:54.00 | martoss | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 19:54.02 | martoss | error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 19:54.14 | Trek00 | rockzman: the default /etc/resolv.conf should point to 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:54.15 | martoss | it seems as if I accidently deleted the account |
| 19:54.16 | asg | martoss: look at /var/log/syslog |
| 19:54.19 | CHodapp | MCCCXXXVII, ub3r-clever |
| 19:54.27 | martoss | how can I recreate it? |
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| 19:54.36 | cdemwell_ | Hi |
| 19:54.44 | MCCCXXXVII | why martoss ? |
| 19:55.30 | rockzman | Trek00 yes but using the default does not work tho |
| 19:55.52 | martoss | MCCCXXXVII, i copied the database from a crashed server and the db is working |
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| 19:56.12 | itc | hello world |
| 19:56.12 | itc | I would like if somebody opens a word file and somebody else opens it after... the second person would get an warning or an error that the file is already opened |
| 19:56.13 | Trek00 | rockzman: uhm.. without the dnsmasq server the name resolution is running? |
| 19:56.16 | asg | martoss: /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian |
| 19:56.22 | itc | that would be on samba, sorry |
| 19:56.29 | DaBlade | abrotman: So what's this chaos going on with Mozilla Corporation all about? |
| 19:56.40 | abrotman | DaBlade: poop parade! |
| 19:56.46 | wols | !tell rockzman about ubuntu |
| 19:56.46 | abrotman | DaBlade: you mean about the name of FF in debian ? |
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| 19:56.52 | StAfZe6` | hi |
| 19:56.52 | DaBlade | abrotman: Yeah, that stuff. |
| 19:57.15 | DaBlade | From what I understand, they don't let Debian use the name because they use a different icon or something. |
| 19:57.20 | StAfZe6` | investigating |
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| 19:57.27 | Trek00 | wols: ubuntu? |
| 19:57.28 | abrotman | DaBlade: well .. apparently we can't use the logo because it's restricted .. and since we can't use the logo, they don't want us calling it firefox |
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| 19:57.33 | abrotman | so ICEWEASEL it is! |
| 19:57.34 | rockzman | o: |
| 19:57.35 | asg | abrotman: I think it should be called 'whothefuckcares' |
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| 19:57.55 | DaBlade | abrotman: Well... rename it Firefux. :) |
| 19:58.03 | wols | Trek00: he's been in ubuntu all day. I was the one who suggested dnsmasq to him. I asked something but he never answered. instead he came here it seems |
| 19:58.15 | abrotman | asg: i vote for "browser" :) |
| 19:58.22 | wols | asg: abrotman's name is way better |
| 19:58.29 | wols | bit the "browser" one |
| 19:58.32 | DaBlade | Hmm.. Or Debian Browser. |
| 19:58.49 | wols | "The browser formerly known as Firefox" |
| 19:59.00 | rockzman | wols what u asked me? |
| 19:59.00 | wols | and the icon is some weird but cool symbol |
| 19:59.02 | asg | wols: InternetExploiter |
| 19:59.11 | DaBlade | wols: I'm sure they'd call that trademark infringement too. :) |
| 19:59.21 | wols | 20:49 < wols_> rockzman: what dns server do your clients use? |
| 19:59.22 | wols | 20:49 < wols_> rockzman: and what is in your /etc/resolv.conf? (your ISPs DNS server?) |
| 19:59.26 | printk | lol i like wols idea |
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| 20:00.06 | rockzman | wols sorry let me answer you |
| 20:00.13 | rockzman | it is supposed to be a local dns server |
| 20:00.21 | rockzman | my clients will use the server ip |
| 20:00.22 | rockzman | as dns |
| 20:00.30 | rockzman | wols on 127.0.0.1 on resolv.con |
| 20:00.39 | wols | not "will use" what do they use NOW since you said it wasn't working |
| 20:00.41 | rockzman | but if i put it on resolv.conf i cant resolv any shit |
| 20:00.42 | Trek00 | rockzman: if you want to resolve a non local domain you must have a non local dns |
| 20:00.49 | asg | wols: actually, ctrl+shift+m would work since that's the shortcut I use for starting it |
| 20:01.08 | wols | rockzman: put your ISP's om /etc/resolv.conf and it will all work |
| 20:01.08 | rockzman | wols they are not online because of that ? ;P |
| 20:01.13 | abrotman | rockzman: but you're using ubuntu .. you should ask in #ubuntu for the best quality support you can get! |
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| 20:01.38 | rockzman | abrotman no, i dont use i just entered in #ubuntu cuz there is a lot of good support ppl like wols |
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| 20:01.57 | appelza | Hi how do I install eAccelerator ? 'apt-get install eAccelerator' gives me 'this package is referenced by another source..' |
| 20:01.59 | wols | rockzman: I never ran ubuntu in my life |
| 20:02.06 | abrotman | rockzman: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 20:02.07 | wols | I installed it shortly for one guy tho |
| 20:02.09 | Trek00 | rockzman: DNS is a distributed database, if you want to resolve only local names there is no problem, but if you want to resolve external names you must have the access to an external DNS server |
| 20:02.11 | tarzeau | appelza: debian package names are all lowercase |
| 20:02.12 | rockzman | wols i meen i about the channel |
| 20:02.21 | wols | rockzman: answer abrotman please |
| 20:02.31 | asg | besides, wols is incompetent |
| 20:02.34 | rockzman | abrotman what would that do for me? |
| 20:02.36 | bbelt16ag | hey is it possible to have the 2.6 kernel and be running sarge? i thought the very essence of sarge was that it is a stable 2.4 kernel? |
| 20:02.43 | tarzeau | Trek00: you can run your own dns server |
| 20:02.46 | abrotman | rockzman: it helps us |
| 20:02.55 | wols | rockzman: it would go a long way for you to get support in here (and in ubuntu from me) |
| 20:03.10 | petemc | bbelt16ag: sarge released with 2.6.8 |
| 20:03.18 | wols | abrotman: and abrotmat has a fetish about libc6. he does statistics |
| 20:03.25 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 20:03.26 | abrotman | misfire |
| 20:03.32 | Trek00 | tarzeau: yes but only to resolve local names, if you don't have the access to an external DNS server |
| 20:03.34 | rockzman | ah ok |
| 20:03.34 | bbelt16ag | so i cant have a 2.4 ppc kernel? |
| 20:03.35 | rockzman | sure |
| 20:03.40 | bbelt16ag | er cant=can |
| 20:03.41 | wols | bbelt16ag: enter "linux26" at the sarge bootprompt |
| 20:03.48 | tarzeau | Trek00: no your own dns server can also resolve any address |
| 20:03.50 | jnz | does anyone know if floppy boot disk (like resc1440.bin) uses DMA mode ? |
| 20:03.54 | tarzeau | Trek00: it just needs proper internet access |
| 20:03.55 | wols | bbelt16ag: then you will run 2.6.8. enter nothing and you will run linux 2.4 |
| 20:04.19 | Trek00 | bbelt16ag: yes you must install the kernel-image-2.6 |
| 20:04.31 | bbelt16ag | ok... |
| 20:04.35 | rockzman | wols Trek00 ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 20:05.05 | Trek00 | tarzeau: we are saying the same thing :> |
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| 20:06.21 | Trek00 | anyone know if postfix can run an external command for virtual users? (like qmail does) |
| 20:06.57 | wols | Trek00: scroll up |
| 20:07.30 | wols | Trek00: postfix can run procmail for any incoming message (or a virus scanner, or...) so yes it's possible |
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| 20:09.10 | wols | Trek00: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 20:09.15 | rockzman | wols i didnt answer me |
| 20:09.19 | rockzman | you* |
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| 20:09.29 | rockzman | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 20:09.31 | wols | rockzman: about? |
| 20:09.38 | wols | rockzman: looks good |
| 20:09.58 | wols | rockzman: but if you really run sarge, then ubuntu is totally the wrong place |
| 20:10.27 | Trek00 | wols: i scrolled up but no answer i found?!? |
| 20:10.35 | rockzman | wols i sse |
| 20:10.37 | rockzman | i see |
| 20:10.54 | wols | 22:07 < wols> Trek00: postfix can run procmail for any incoming message (or a virus scanner, or...) so yes it's possible |
| 20:10.56 | Trek00 | wols: now i see |
| 20:10.56 | bbelt16ag | intresting.. |
| 20:11.01 | wols | 22:09 < wols> Trek00: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
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| 20:11.07 | bbelt16ag | i dont see the 2.4 kernel version for ppc in apt-get |
| 20:11.08 | Trek00 | wols: but i say for virtual users |
| 20:11.51 | Trek00 | wols: i use the virtual_mailbox_maps |
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| 20:14.02 | Trek00 | wols: also i'm using postgresql |
| 20:14.08 | woodgrain | freenode is a wonderful thing. Thanks lilo |
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| 20:15.21 | wols | Trek00: that doesn't use local(8)? |
| 20:15.25 | Trek00 | woodgrain: you said a very true thing :> |
| 20:15.43 | wols | cause with local, you can use mailbox_command= |
| 20:15.56 | Trek00 | wols: yes i use virtual (i think, i'm not familiar with postfix, i'm using qmail and zmailer) |
| 20:16.32 | Trek00 | wols: i use virtual_mailbox_maps to have postgresql users table |
| 20:16.32 | woodgrain | Is there a netinst for unstable? |
| 20:16.34 | woodgrain | cd i mean? |
| 20:16.37 | abrotman | no |
| 20:16.40 | Trek00 | wols: so i think i'm using virtual and not local, true? |
| 20:16.52 | woodgrain | abrotman, but there is for testing right? |
| 20:16.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:17.09 | wols | Trek00: yes you're right :( |
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| 20:18.08 | Trek00 | wols: i must change the default user mailbox if depending on an header line. if it is not possible i should switch to qmail (that is not debianized way) |
| 20:18.33 | asg | Trek00: the qmail-src package can be used to build a deb that is relatively sane |
| 20:19.44 | Trek00 | asg: i know, but is a little more complicated, i want to be sure that postfix can't do this before to install qmail |
| 20:20.04 | Trek00 | (the server will not administrated by me in the near future) |
| 20:20.31 | asg | Trek00: ah, okay. |
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| 20:37.02 | Trek00 | i'm using a content filter (dspam) that add an header line and depending on this line the mail should be delivered in the user's inbox or spambox, but how? :D |
| 20:37.02 | esters | question : when will gnome 2.16 is going to able for Debian |
| 20:37.02 | Trek00 | maildrop can do this only on local users or using mysql driver only (i have postgres) |
| 20:37.02 | asg | Trek00: you might look at exim 4 if you are doing complex routing |
| 20:37.03 | Trek00 | there is a way (with the a content filter too) to change the default mailbox? |
| 20:37.03 | Trek00 | asg: really? |
| 20:37.03 | wols | Trek00: it probably is possible but I dunno how. best place is #postfix. they're just a little slow answering sometimes. but they know thier stuff |
| 20:37.04 | Trek00 | asg: i was thinking exim as a small simple server! |
| 20:37.04 | asg | Trek00: personally, yes. I've found postfix to be lacking in a number of instances that are trivial to implement with exim. |
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| 20:37.04 | Trewas | esters: status can be seen there http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.16-status.html, considering progress so far I guess it will take a couple of weeks until hitting unstable |
| 20:37.04 | Trek00 | wols: i already asked, but i can try again and wait more :> |
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| 20:37.04 | Steakk | any ideas how to get the flash player in FF on debian to play audio? (I currently use OSS) |
| 20:37.04 | esters | thanks Trewas |
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| 20:37.05 | Trek00 | asg: thank you, i'll check if it support all my feature request! |
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| 20:37.05 | asg | Trek00: look at the documentation and FAQs at exim.org. The version currently in sarge is 4.50 |
| 20:37.05 | Trek00 | asg: thank yuo again :> |
| 20:37.06 | asg | Trek00: you're welcome |
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| 20:37.06 | cusco | hi |
| 20:37.06 | cusco | is there a way for wget to ignore robots.txt? |
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| 20:37.07 | esters | Steakk, with root access do "nano /etc/firefox/firefoxrc" and type in "none" "aoss" |
| 20:37.07 | esters | and then ctrl+x and y |
| 20:37.07 | cydork | Steakk, for that you will need to install alsa-oss |
| 20:37.07 | woodgrain | do more people use gnome or kde with debian? |
| 20:37.08 | Steakk | I do KDE |
| 20:37.08 | Steakk | fsck gnome |
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| 20:37.09 | beardy | woodgrain: Hopefully more people using Debian uses neither, than in other distributions and based on's. |
| 20:37.09 | beardy | But I may be optimistic at times.. |
| 20:37.09 | woodgrain | beardy, I don't understand. |
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| 20:37.09 | raf256 | can I build a software raid mirror from /dev/hda5 and hdb7 ? is there a nice howto? |
| 20:37.09 | woodgrain | is there some magical alternatives to these two? |
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| 20:37.10 | amphi | woodgrain: using a plain ol' wm rather than a DE is a common alternative |
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| 20:37.10 | woodgrain | amphi, for example: |
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| 20:37.11 | raf256 | which file system is 100% immune to hardware failures |
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| 20:37.11 | asg | raf256: none |
| 20:37.11 | raf256 | or can be temporarly turned into such state (like: all write operarations are direct and atomic) |
| 20:37.11 | raf256 | why nit |
| 20:37.11 | qdosh | is yakuake dead? i noticed that its removed from etch :-/ |
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| 20:37.11 | raf256 | qdosh: I use it on my testing |
| 20:37.12 | asg | qdosh: /msg dpkg why is yakuake not in testing |
| 20:37.14 | qdosh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.14 | qdosh | ups.. gpm mouse :) |
| 20:37.14 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.15 | raf256 | asg: I suppose I will buy new UPS then |
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| 20:37.15 | raf256 | s/new/additional (new box \o/) |
| 20:37.15 | Trewas | woodgrain: if popcon is to be believed, gnome is somewhat more popular than kde... but that tells only how many have installed them, not how many use them |
| 20:37.19 | amphi | woodgrain: for example, i use openbox |
| 20:37.23 | noige | anyone know how to make tcpdump listen on two interfaces for 802.1q |
| 20:37.36 | woodgrain | amphi, ooh. |
| 20:37.37 | noige | I know that -e will show other layer 2 info |
| 20:37.45 | woodgrain | Trewas, thanks for the beta. |
| 20:37.50 | noige | but I need to listen on two tagged vlans |
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| 20:38.31 | Trek00 | Trewas: on popcon votes means (i think) how many installations used package files recently (so how many installations really use the package) |
| 20:38.34 | beardy | !wm |
| 20:38.34 | dpkg | from memory, window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a <desktop environment> such as Gnome or KDE. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". |
| 20:38.44 | beardy | !window manager |
| 20:38.44 | dpkg | window manager is probably a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a <desktop environment> such as Gnome or KDE. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". |
| 20:38.47 | wols | Trek00: it's mainly depending where you live: US gnome, europe kde imho |
| 20:38.57 | beardy | wtf.. |
| 20:39.11 | noige | anyone knwo |
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| 20:39.19 | wols | noige: run two tcpdumps? |
| 20:39.29 | Trek00 | wols: i'm european and never used kde :> |
| 20:39.38 | beardy | abrotman: Which is it, the one I want? |
| 20:39.46 | abrotman | !xwinman |
| 20:39.46 | dpkg | xwinman is, like, <URL:http://www.PLiG.org/xwinman/> |
| 20:39.49 | abrotman | for what? |
| 20:39.52 | beardy | No. |
| 20:39.59 | beardy | The list of wm:s. |
| 20:40.20 | wols | Trek00: it's statistics. not monopolies on continents |
| 20:40.25 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:40.27 | qdosh | asg: hmm.. it dont look like critical bugs to me? would you enlighten me? |
| 20:40.28 | Trek00 | :> |
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| 20:40.49 | abrotman | !window manager list |
| 20:40.49 | dpkg | window manager list is probably the ultimate list of window managers and desktop environments at http://xwinman.org |
| 20:41.00 | woodgrain | amphi, can one use synaptic with openbox? |
| 20:41.19 | beardy | But I want the one which fills half a screen with window managers! |
| 20:41.21 | Trewas | Trek00: hmm yes, vote numbers go quite clearly gnome, about double compared to kde (and this by looking at gnome-control-center/kcontrol and metacity/kwin, not any meta-packages) |
| 20:41.38 | asg | qdosh: probably some dependancy in sid that's holding things back |
| 20:41.47 | amphi | woodgrain: you could use synaptic with no window manager at all ;) just xinit and type 'synaptic' in the xterm ;) |
| 20:42.16 | woodgrain | amphi, but then it runs in cmd line mode, right? |
| 20:42.22 | amphi | woodgrain: nope |
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| 20:42.36 | qdosh | asg: ahh well.. its back in etch i just found out.. lol |
| 20:42.42 | asg | qdosh: http://packages.qa.debian.org/y/yakuake/news/20060901T210820Z.html (seems to be the culprit) |
| 20:42.48 | amphi | woodgrain: you can use any X program under any window manager AFAIK |
| 20:43.17 | beardy | abrotman: You'll know which I mean when we find it.. unless someone as replaced it, I thought it was either wm or "window manager".. |
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| 20:43.18 | amphi | woodgrain: some programs and wm combos don't play nice together |
| 20:43.27 | bobwhoops | Hi, whenever I start X, I get an error that says "Error activating XKB configuration". I just upgraded with apt-get dist-upgrade. Any idea what the problem might be? |
| 20:43.40 | amphi | woodgrain: but those are rare, and confined to more uncommon wms |
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| 20:44.42 | qdosh | bobwhoops: you could try to run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" if you use xorg that is... |
| 20:44.56 | woodgrain | I thought I was ready to make the leap into a more hardcore distro (from ubuntu) but gosh this is intimidating. |
| 20:45.01 | abrotman | beardy: eh ... |
| 20:45.10 | abrotman | !window managers for x |
| 20:45.10 | dpkg | window managers for x is probably http://www.xwinman.org/ |
| 20:45.16 | abrotman | !whichwm |
| 20:45.17 | dpkg | If your looking to decide which window manager you would like to use, stop by http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ |
| 20:45.30 | abrotman | beardy: /msg dpkg listvals <blah> |
| 20:45.32 | bobwhoops | dosh: How do I check if I have xorg or not? |
| 20:45.37 | beardy | Some bastard has removed it. |
| 20:45.44 | abrotman | what was it ? |
| 20:45.56 | qdosh | bobwhoops: dpkg -l |grep xorg could be one way... |
| 20:46.18 | amphi | woodgrain: openbox is a nice and easy to use lightweight wm IMHO |
| 20:46.40 | qdosh | bobwhoops: but unless you run sarge i think you use xorg..so try out that command and see what happens |
| 20:46.48 | beardy | abrotman: The factoid with a long list of window managers, display managers, and a comment that a display manager manager does not yet exist at the end. |
| 20:47.34 | woodgrain | How many people use a straight wm (% guess?) as opposed to DE's? |
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| 20:48.18 | bobwhoops | dosh: After I ran it, it said "xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized |
| 20:48.20 | beardy | woodgrain: Why does it matter? |
| 20:48.28 | beardy | woodgrain: Use whatever you like. |
| 20:48.30 | bobwhoops | dosh: Is this an issue? |
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| 20:49.37 | amphi | beardy: I think he's trying to find out whether only lunatics use 'straight wms' ;) |
| 20:49.54 | qdosh | bobwhoops: hmm aptitude install xorg / dpkg-reconfigure xorg.. something !.. i dont dont the answer but i would just do some different things to get it working :) |
| 20:49.58 | woodgrain | beardy, amphi is right, in a sense. |
| 20:50.06 | beardy | amphi: Or if only tards use "desktops"? |
| 20:50.14 | woodgrain | I just want something powerful, clean, and _straightforward_ |
| 20:50.22 | qdosh | flux |
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| 20:50.50 | Anarka | then just don't complain it's to clean :P |
| 20:50.57 | amphi | woodgrain: openbox is straightforward, allows you to configure keybindings for pretty much everything, never crashes IME... |
| 20:51.15 | beardy | woodgrain: Straight forward for you is what? Do you want to use your keyboard, or your mouse, have much decorations, or not, and so on, install a bunch and try them out. |
| 20:51.21 | guilherme-jorge | Hello all, I have a server with RAID1 running Debian 3.1 stable. One of my hard disk crashed, so I replace to a new one of the same size. All the data was resync, but when I try to boot using the new HD, I receive the error as I don't have boot... Any idea? |
| 20:52.04 | vin` | woodgrain: install as many as you want, use them randomly. ;) |
| 20:52.09 | beardy | And if some cluebie hadn't deleted the factoid, you could have gotten some to choose from. |
| 20:52.21 | vin` | bobwhoops: /msg dpkg xorgmd5 |
| 20:52.49 | woodgrain | beardy, thanks for the ideas. I didn't consider that because installing each one--well it seems like a lot of commitment for a newcomer. |
| 20:53.02 | woodgrain | vin`, okay this is starting to make sense. |
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| 20:53.22 | woodgrain | beardy, which factoid |
| 20:53.34 | beardy | Exactly. IIRC it was "wm". |
| 20:53.35 | abrotman | beardy: oh .. |
| 20:53.51 | vin` | ~wm |
| 20:53.52 | apt | hmm... wm is an abbreviation for "window manager", but some people think it means "wmaker" (window maker), which is just one WM. |
| 20:54.02 | beardy | ~window manager |
| 20:54.03 | apt | see: afterstep, e, window maker, icewm, blackbox, fvwm2, sawmill, sapphire, or kahakai |
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| 20:54.14 | beardy | @window manager |
| 20:54.15 | ravenbird | see: afterstep, e, window maker, icewm, blackbox, fvwm2, sawmill, sapphire |
| 20:54.30 | woodgrain | whoa how many bots are here? |
| 20:54.33 | beardy | where is sussudio's.. |
| 20:54.34 | vin` | where's ion? |
| 20:54.44 | qdosh | maybe some one could delete the factoid about yakuake bot in etch?.. cause its back, i just installed it |
| 20:54.50 | qdosh | *not in |
| 20:56.29 | beardy | That list is tiny in comparison to the one I'm looking for.. |
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| 20:57.34 | sussudio | what? |
| 20:58.04 | nvz | sussudio: what? |
| 20:58.13 | sussudio | !test |
| 20:58.14 | dpkg | No, sussudio, you're not online any more. |
| 20:58.26 | sussudio | why would badgers need to be in here? |
| 20:58.32 | abrotman | beardy: i'm not sure e is a window manager anymore |
| 20:58.44 | nvz | sussudio: we can always use badgers.. |
| 20:58.45 | abrotman | beardy: i think xwinman.org is what you're looking for ? |
| 20:58.48 | vin` | e is almost a whole distro now |
| 20:58.50 | sussudio | nobody used it |
| 20:59.00 | nvz | sussudio: how are the badgers? |
| 20:59.10 | nvz | seen any lately? |
| 20:59.12 | abrotman | vin`: i mean besides that |
| 20:59.28 | sussudio | they're done eating. |
| 20:59.30 | wols | sussudio: it's to ensure MAD for the cows if they get uppity |
| 20:59.41 | beardy | abrotman: Yes, most likely, BUT I WANT DPKG'S FACTOID! |
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| 21:00.06 | enouf | beardy: screw the clueless and obtin alist and add it back into one of he factoids/bots |
| 21:00.13 | enouf | obtain |
| 21:00.48 | abrotman | beardy: check dpkg.vireo.org ... might still have it |
| 21:00.49 | beardy | That would not get me the right to complain and whine. |
| 21:01.15 | beardy | But it had been there since forever.. a historic piece of information. |
| 21:01.16 | enouf | now to see if anyone as screwed with some factoids I've updated |
| 21:01.39 | Sulfar | i have something like a problem... updated packaged and now X won't start... I have like *no* idea where to start fixing it |
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| 21:01.42 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 21:01.49 | beardy | badgers: wm |
| 21:01.50 | sussudio | %barf |
| 21:01.50 | badgers | hmm... window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a <desktop environment> such as Gnome or KDE. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". |
| 21:01.50 | badgers | BLECCH |
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| 21:01.59 | vin` | %qotd93 |
| 21:01.59 | badgers | qotd93 is, like, <sussudio> greycat: oil will just drip off, i used vaseline but the hamster keeps licking it off. |
| 21:02.15 | enouf | barfing bot |
| 21:02.15 | nvz | I wish one of these two damn bikes I have were in working order |
| 21:02.36 | abrotman | i thought BARF was the Battle Against Raid Five |
| 21:03.13 | abrotman | nvz: fix them you lazy ass |
| 21:03.21 | nvz | abrotman: I dont know how |
| 21:03.28 | abrotman | nvz: why can't you just be a good yinzer and use duct tape like everyone else? |
| 21:03.34 | vin` | heh |
| 21:03.39 | nvz | abrotman: the one is FUBAR as far as I am concerned.. the other broke a llink in the chain |
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| 21:03.56 | nvz | abrotman: I dont think duct tape will work on the chain |
| 21:04.22 | nvz | abrotman: needs a link or two removed and a master link installed |
| 21:04.24 | abrotman | nvz: take the chain from the other |
| 21:04.27 | nvz | abrotman: $1.50 parts, $5.00 labor.. I just cant ever find time to take it to the shop |
| 21:04.46 | abrotman | nvz: probably cheaper to get the length of chain .. and buy a pre-made one |
| 21:04.47 | nvz | abrotman: I dont know how that would work.. I dont really have tools and I dont think you can just take a chain off a bike |
| 21:05.06 | abrotman | nvz: depends on the bike .. if they're close in size .. it might work |
| 21:05.25 | enouf | nvz: when all else fails - hit it with a hammer |
| 21:05.33 | nvz | abrotman: they are same make and size.. cheap "Next" mountain bikes with shocks |
| 21:05.34 | abrotman | like that'll solve his ED |
| 21:05.46 | nvz | they are just a few years apart different models |
| 21:05.46 | abrotman | nvz: so one chain should work on the other |
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| 21:05.59 | nvz | abrotman: yeah but how the hell would I get it off and put it on the other |
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| 21:06.14 | enouf | nvz: to take a chain off - all you need is a crescent wrench -- maybe some sockets/ratchet |
| 21:06.27 | nvz | hmm I got some wire strippers :P |
| 21:06.29 | abrotman | nvz: with a wrench ... it's not rocket science |
| 21:06.55 | nvz | abrotman: it goes through that whole shifter thing and seems the only way to get it out is to take the chain aparty |
| 21:07.20 | nvz | abrotman: not to mention I wouldnt know how to put the whole shifter back on if I could take the wheel of |
| 21:07.23 | abrotman | nvz: pull the back tire off .. the front derailer should have a place to slide it out |
| 21:07.31 | abrotman | some geek you are ... |
| 21:07.34 | nvz | heh |
| 21:07.40 | nvz | I am a computer geek not a mechanic |
| 21:07.48 | asg | abrotman: bikes don't have keyboards |
| 21:07.48 | abrotman | neither am i .. but i bet i could do it |
| 21:07.58 | nvz | and I am not like most geeks. to normal people I am a geek to geeks I am not |
| 21:07.59 | beardy | or find out how |
| 21:08.00 | abrotman | asg: and there's why geeks die of heart attacks |
| 21:08.17 | abrotman | asg: if you could irc on a bike .. you'd bike to work! |
| 21:08.48 | asg | abrotman: you've seen the drivers down here! |
| 21:08.53 | nvz | It definatly doesnt look like it will come out of the shifters |
| 21:08.59 | enouf | contemplates the idea of self-image |
| 21:09.08 | enouf | ok .. done |
| 21:09.09 | nvz | I am half tempted to rid it into town without the chain |
| 21:09.19 | asg | enouf: bootcd is useful for creating self-images |
| 21:09.25 | nvz | but if I wait a while steph will come get me |
| 21:09.34 | nvz | I just dont like waiting :P |
| 21:09.35 | vin` | rid the town yank the chain |
| 21:09.45 | beardy | asg: We don't want to see your "self-images"! |
| 21:10.04 | nvz | I have to crest a big hill to get into town so its downhill half the way there and back |
| 21:10.40 | nvz | I could coast it I just have to push the fucker up the hill |
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| 21:10.56 | enouf | asg : haha .. but it;s only "philisophical" if it's a Debian CD |
| 21:11.45 | enouf | nvz : your local dump hardware store will have a cheap kit of crap tools you can use - check if you need any special torx wrenches and whatnot -- allen keys and syuch |
| 21:12.18 | nvz | enouf: yeah well the hardware store is clear on the other side of town and like I said wamsley cycles will fix it for $6.50 |
| 21:12.20 | enouf | nvz ; or go downhill on the bike .. and uphill in a cab! |
| 21:12.25 | nvz | heh |
| 21:12.30 | enouf | with hte bike in the trunk |
| 21:12.43 | enouf | 6.50 ?? wtf? |
| 21:13.04 | nvz | the colleseum is on the top of the hill.. I would have to walk it up there and coast down into town and then back up and coast all the way back home |
| 21:13.19 | enouf | you can get twise that for a PIECE of a broken ipod .. hehe |
| 21:13.25 | enouf | twice even |
| 21:13.50 | nvz | enouf: yeah the pawn shop offered $10 which is where I am headed.. but not to sell the ipod.. $10 is too little |
| 21:13.54 | enouf | for 6.50 you're actually comtemplating this> |
| 21:13.56 | enouf | ? |
| 21:14.13 | enouf | ebay - for nutjobs for the w1n :-) |
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| 21:14.27 | astronaute | hello |
| 21:14.29 | nvz | I am gonna sell them the dvd player which I can get $15 out of and only about $25 on ebay.. however the ipod they will give $10 will sell for $50-150 on ebay |
| 21:14.33 | enouf | hurrow |
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| 21:15.06 | enouf | nvz : you are my reseller hero |
| 21:15.14 | nvz | yeah I am the shit |
| 21:15.21 | astronaute | can anyone here help me with some basic information on proftpd, as on #proftpd noone here yet please ? |
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| 21:16.03 | enouf | nvz: you know , I've got s-o-o- much unused stuff - could prolly make a ton off of it ... too lazy to be bothered by the details though |
| 21:16.05 | astronaute | my proftpd is very slow while listing dirs and huge delays between uploads |
| 21:16.08 | itchi | Before my 3D was working like expected (ATI Readeon 9600Se), Sinds some days, it no more work. With fglrxinfo it's looks like it's Mesa that are running. With dmesg i got the message; fglrx: version magic '2.6.15-1-k7 K7 gcc-4.1' should be '2.6.15-1-k7 K7 gcc-4.0' How come that? |
| 21:16.12 | nvz | I might as well just go play xbox and wait for steph |
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| 21:16.29 | enouf | nvz: hehe if you are #2 - who is #1 ? |
| 21:16.31 | asg | astronaute: check that there isn't a duplex mismatch between your NIC and switch |
| 21:16.40 | sierra9ne | hey guys ... |
| 21:16.41 | nvz | enouf: what do you mean? |
| 21:16.59 | enouf | nvz: <nvz> yeah I am the shit |
| 21:17.06 | astronaute | asg : where to look for that please, im not familiar with it =) |
| 21:17.06 | nvz | enouf: heh |
| 21:17.16 | enouf | roflmao |
| 21:17.17 | nvz | enouf: I thought you were referring to the girl |
| 21:17.32 | enouf | nvz: what ..? a female ..where ? |
| 21:17.40 | asg | astronaute: mii-tool, ethertool, and dmesg should tell you on the Debian side. I don't know about your switch. Also, see if PASV mode FTP works. |
| 21:17.46 | enouf | nvz: oh ...steph? |
| 21:18.12 | astronaute | asg : you talking about this : [R] 227 Entering Passive Mode ? |
| 21:18.15 | nvz | enouf: yeah she's gonna come get me.. she's just hitting up her 'rents for gas money to get her to work until friday |
| 21:18.15 | enouf | is too wrapped up in hs own little crap to pat too much attention .. |
| 21:18.34 | nvz | enouf: I'd give her some gas money, but I give her enough as it is.. |
| 21:18.44 | asg | astronaute: yeah, if you get the same issue in active or PASV mode, then it's likely a duplex mismatch |
| 21:18.54 | itchi | How can i specify to build it with gcc-4.0 and not with the gcc-4.1 with module assistant? |
| 21:18.57 | wols | itchi: what dbeian version is this? |
| 21:18.59 | enouf | nvz: yeah well - I know the type -- stand clear .. be nice t nvz, not some moneygrubbing ho |
| 21:19.05 | itchi | wols: Etch |
| 21:19.13 | astronaute | asg : i think im always on passive, but its server or client setting ? |
| 21:19.16 | wols | Ironhand: module assistant should do that automtaically for you |
| 21:19.37 | wols | itchi: I mean |
| 21:19.41 | sierra9ne | i wanted to get hold of a small linux distro that contains only the absolute basics that i can build into a fully functional server by adding just the parts i need. Will the deban business card iso work for such a system ? |
| 21:19.52 | wols | itchi: if you uas a debian fglrx that is |
| 21:19.54 | enouf | nvz: unless ofcourse , her "services" are worth the $$ |
| 21:19.59 | asg | astronaute: PASV is initiated by the client |
| 21:20.04 | nvz | enouf: she's got a b/f I am just trying to take his place.. heh trying to get it to the point where she spends more time at my house than running him around .. he seems a bit lazy and dependant on her.. shouldnt be hard to push out of the way |
| 21:20.07 | itchi | wols: hhhmmm :-/ Strange, i have try that, but ... ^^ :-/ Yes, i use fglrx |
| 21:20.13 | wols | sierra9ne: netinst perhaps |
| 21:20.17 | nvz | enouf: I dont give her money anyhow |
| 21:20.29 | astronaute | asg : ok so its maybe my client, i have flashFXP im searching for setting to force active mod then |
| 21:20.36 | wols | itchi: export CC=/path/to/gcc-4.0 |
| 21:20.42 | sierra9ne | thanx nvz |
| 21:20.50 | itchi | wols: Cooool :-) |
| 21:20.51 | enouf | nvz: bah - screw that headgame crap ... you deserve better .. clean yourself up .. and go out there and get an Ivory woman - heheh |
| 21:21.13 | asg | astronaute: it might be better to isolate the issue by using a command line ftp client to verify that the issue isn't specific to whatever client you are using. |
| 21:21.20 | enouf | er or maybe a Dove girl ..yeah that's the ticket |
| 21:21.31 | nvz | enouf: heh this girl is a bit young she's only 19 but she's cute and got her head straight.. she's smart and hard working, and we have a good bit in common. |
| 21:21.38 | itchi | wols: Thanks, gona try that ;-) |
| 21:21.43 | enouf | I'm at the oil-of-olay stage in life myself |
| 21:21.52 | nvz | enouf: I normally dont bother with teenagers cause they act stupid.. but she's not like that |
| 21:21.54 | enouf | nvz: ^^ |
| 21:22.00 | astronaute | asg : ok in active mod its same, waiting on : [R] 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list, 20 seconds sometimes, and sometimes its very fast |
| 21:22.25 | enouf | nvz: oh boy .. better get a driver's license showing date of birth!@ |
| 21:22.35 | enouf | I'm too old for tens |
| 21:22.39 | enouf | teens even |
| 21:22.40 | nvz | enouf: heh, I know how old she is.. she's in college |
| 21:22.55 | enouf | nvz : ok .. :-) bang away |
| 21:23.01 | astronaute | asg : can i give you some test logins to try it by yourself please ? |
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| 21:23.41 | enouf | nvz: put a helmet on that soldier though .. ya hear? |
| 21:23.44 | asg | astronaute: I can't I'm afraid, I've got to go in a few minutes |
| 21:23.55 | nvz | enouf: heh I am cautious enough as it is.. I'm still in the getting to know her and get her to loose her b/f stage |
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| 21:23.59 | enouf | nvz: enough OT .. ok |
| 21:24.10 | nvz | enouf: fine, I am going to play video games :P |
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| 21:24.50 | enouf | nvz: gotta go myself -- see ya later |
| 21:25.09 | astronaute | asg : thank you anyway |
| 21:25.10 | itchi | wols: I guess i need to remove the packages of fglrx i already have installed? Or just rebuild the module? |
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| 21:25.19 | asg | astronaute: you're welcome |
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| 21:26.05 | wols | ircrebuild |
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| 21:30.08 | Clinton__ | Is there a flag or configuration line to instruct apt-get to install packages that will have a dpkg-reconfigure priority less than critical? |
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| 21:30.58 | marga_ | Hi! I'm having a problem with Sarge box. Debian Kernel 2.6.8. Machine is a Celeron 2.66GHz, I tried both -686 and -386, /proc/bus/pci/devices is completely empty. Any ideas as to what might be causing this? |
| 21:31.07 | marga_ | If I boot a livecd, the pci info is there. So, I'm guessing it's either a missing module or some other weird thing... But I've already tried loading modules, with no success |
| 21:31.22 | scud | what should I use besides rsync (runs out of memory and the kernel kills it) to copy over files while retaining the permissions and ownerships? |
| 21:31.47 | qdosh | cp -p ? i think thats keep permissons |
| 21:31.51 | marga_ | scud, something like cp -axu |
| 21:31.51 | wols | scud: tar |
| 21:31.56 | qdosh | uhh |
| 21:31.57 | MustangMatt | tar and netcat |
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| 21:32.45 | MustangMatt | The most efficient method to transfer files across the network is using tar with netcat. Here's an example: http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/~djw/tarpipe.html |
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| 21:33.38 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 21:34.36 | jelly | MustangMatt: tar | nc is nice if the connection doesn't break. |
| 21:34.38 | Ramattack | when you installs debian sarge and you select cd source in apt it inserts on sources.list a line for accesing cd for packets and I'm get quite amazed when read this.... |
| 21:34.41 | MustangMatt | jelly: True |
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| 21:35.07 | Ramattack | #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20051218)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 21:35.13 | Ramattack | unstable? |
| 21:35.25 | Ramattack | the packers search to this cd are unstable¿?¿ |
| 21:35.34 | jelly | MustangMatt: variations on the theme: tar cf - ... | ssh somewhere "cd destdir; tar xfv -" |
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| 21:35.42 | godzirra | heya guys. How do I tell if an SATA controller is supported in debian? |
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| 21:36.01 | MustangMatt | jelly: But then everything is encrypted. |
| 21:36.13 | jelly | MustangMatt: exactly! |
| 21:36.16 | Clinton__ | Is there a flag or configuration line to instruct apt-get to install packages that will have a dpkg-reconfigure priority less than critical? |
| 21:36.21 | godzirra | Anyone know? |
| 21:36.31 | itchi | marga_: Take that you send you data on the other side of the globe :-p |
| 21:36.31 | beardy | Ramattack: No, that's the way they do it, was so in woody too, don't know why.. but it's as it should be. It's only referenceing "unstable" on the cd, and again, no idea why that would be good, only leads to misunderstandings like yours. |
| 21:36.38 | MustangMatt | jelly: But if you're in a trusted environment encryption might not be important. I wonder what the speed hit is. |
| 21:36.49 | itchi | oeps wrong nick :-) |
| 21:37.06 | marga_ | itchi, I guessed :) |
| 21:37.09 | MustangMatt | godzirra: Do you already have the card? If so plug it in and see. If not, it might help to tell us which card you're considering. |
| 21:37.32 | Ramattack | ok beardy I'm get quite worried because I've set up a qmail server today |
| 21:37.39 | Clinton__ | oh come on, someone has to have an idea if my request is possible? apt-get is so hardy! |
| 21:37.46 | Ramattack | and -dev libraries I donwload them via apt |
| 21:38.08 | Ramattack | and openssl too |
| 21:38.09 | jelly | MustangMatt: depends on the cpu, anything >= 2GHz can fill the better half of a 100mbps connection. blowfish cipher is decent on the cpu. |
| 21:38.16 | Ramattack | and have worried.... |
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| 21:38.23 | Ramattack | but know I'm relaxed |
| 21:38.28 | Ramattack | well I'm goona bed |
| 21:38.34 | Ramattack | have a nice day people!! |
| 21:38.44 | MustangMatt | jelly: Ah gotcha, I'm used to slow hardware. heh. That makes sense though. But then if you have 1000mpbs... :) |
| 21:38.51 | godzirra | MustangMatt: I don't, and I was curious if there was a list somewhere... we're basing which motherboard we get off of what card it DOES support :) |
| 21:38.51 | beardy | Ramattack: If you are using the sarge cd:s, you don't have to worry. It's just the way it'd done for some reason.. |
| 21:38.59 | beardy | Ramattack: Have a nice day you too. |
| 21:39.11 | Ramattack | bye people!! |
| 21:39.17 | godzirra | MustangMatt: one of the ones we were looking at has a 6300ESB (Hance Rapids) SATA Controller |
| 21:39.25 | MustangMatt | godzirra: Are you talking about the on-motherboard sata? |
| 21:39.42 | godzirra | Yes |
| 21:39.44 | MustangMatt | godzirra: Because I haven't seen a non-software version. |
| 21:40.06 | godzirra | MustangMatt: what do you mean? |
| 21:40.20 | jelly | MustangMatt: 6300ESB sounds like ServerWorks chipset, it might have a real controller. |
| 21:40.25 | MustangMatt | godzirra: Meaning they almost all work as sata controllers but not necessarily hardware raid adapters. |
| 21:40.32 | MustangMatt | jelly: I'm not familiar with that one. |
| 21:40.34 | godzirra | these all have real controllers built onto the hardware including raid. |
| 21:40.44 | godzirra | the HAnce Rapids one say: RAID 0, 1, JBOD support |
| 21:40.58 | godzirra | We're looking at a 500 dollar or so server motherboard. |
| 21:41.04 | jelly | godzirra: does it have battery backup? |
| 21:41.14 | godzirra | the motherboard? |
| 21:41.22 | jelly | godzirra: the raid controller on the mobo, yes. |
| 21:41.28 | godzirra | Not that it details. |
| 21:41.28 | MustangMatt | godzirra: Not trying to talk you out of it, but any reason not to get an external controller? |
| 21:41.46 | MustangMatt | external meaning some PCI variant |
| 21:41.58 | godzirra | MustangMatt: Because traditionally we end up having trouble with riser cards, to be honest ;p |
| 21:42.09 | godzirra | this is the motherboard we were looking at : http://www.serversdirect.com/productdetail?product=99434 |
| 21:42.13 | godzirra | as a possible option |
| 21:42.19 | godzirra | this is the other: http://www.serversdirect.com/productdetail?product=102795 |
| 21:42.26 | godzirra | I just need to make sure debian will run on them |
| 21:42.43 | godzirra | and SATA is teh only thing i've had trouble with in the past. |
| 21:42.47 | MustangMatt | godzirra: Well for what it's worth I've been using the adaptec 2420s (I think that's the model) with no problems for almost a year. I would guess that this built in solution would work but I'm not seeing much info on google. |
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| 21:43.10 | godzirra | MustangMatt: me either. Did you think i'd ask before googling? :) |
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| 21:43.23 | godzirra | even if its built onto the motherboard it needs drivers in debian, correct? |
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| 21:44.13 | godzirra | It looks like the ICH5R motherboard will work |
| 21:44.14 | jelly | godzirra: we have el-cheapo SuperMicro P8SCT motherboard + Vortex SATA RAID, it's a real RAID controller. RAID5 has decent performance if you only have a single writer/reader. |
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| 21:44.57 | jelly | godzirra: and it has a PCI-X riser. ;-) |
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| 21:45.26 | godzirra | lol |
| 21:45.28 | godzirra | nice |
| 21:45.46 | godzirra | I think we'll go with this one http://www.serversdirect.com/productdetail?product=102795 |
| 21:45.54 | jelly | godzirra: works though. I must confess the vendor put the wrong riser at first. :-) |
| 21:45.55 | godzirra | it seems to work accoding to google, with maybe minor modification |
| 21:45.59 | godzirra | lol |
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| 21:47.07 | godzirra | alright, i'm off |
| 21:47.09 | godzirra | thanks for the info |
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| 21:49.09 | main2 | is VLC 0.8.2 the latest in the debian stable repos? |
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| 21:55.55 | k-man | anyone noticed that the "en space" does not render properly in yelp? (and possibly other applications) |
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| 21:57.36 | penguin__ | How to make an iso copy of a cd? |
| 21:57.52 | AciD | paste this question in google |
| 21:57.57 | AciD | and add "linux" |
| 21:58.49 | Trek00 | penguin__: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=filename.is bs=1024 |
| 21:59.07 | penguin__ | No gui method? |
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| 21:59.22 | Trek00 | penguin__: if you want to have the iso copied in a file |
| 21:59.34 | Trek00 | penguin__: i don't know guis sorry |
| 22:00.10 | jelly | Trek00: hmm, why bs=1024? Aren't blocks 2048 on CDs? |
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| 22:01.06 | MatBoy | Guys, I can;t get the lilo-bootmenu while booting anymore.... what was the key for it to get it in the timeout time ? |
| 22:01.32 | penguin__ | filename.is or filename.iso? |
| 22:01.48 | Trek00 | penguin__: filename.iso |
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| 22:02.30 | Trek00 | penguin__: under unix extensions are a part of filename, you can put wath you want :> |
| 22:02.48 | Trek00 | penguin__: if you write: apt-cache search burn |less |
| 22:02.59 | tarzeau | Trek00: huh. where are they not part of the filename? |
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| 22:03.24 | tarzeau | jelly: this has nothing to do with hardware blocksizes |
| 22:03.26 | Trek00 | penguin__: you can get a list of programs that can burn cd like gcombust or k3b |
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| 22:03.41 | MatBoy | noone using lilo anymore these days ? |
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| 22:03.46 | tarzeau | jelly: it's blocksizes kept in memory to process per iteration i guess (but i didn't look at the source) |
| 22:03.55 | Trek00 | tarzeau: yes extension is a part of the filename, but is useless |
| 22:03.55 | penguin__ | I need to copy it here, I am burning on other machine |
| 22:04.04 | tarzeau | MatBoy: check popcon for stats? |
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| 22:04.18 | MatBoy | tarzeau, why ? |
| 22:04.21 | Trek00 | penguin__: ok try with dd were if=/dev/nameofcdromdevice |
| 22:04.24 | tarzeau | Trek00: you can get rid of extensions, but i'd rather keep them |
| 22:04.31 | tarzeau | Trek00: yes they are useful |
| 22:04.48 | tarzeau | MatBoy: you wanted to know if noone is using lilo anymore |
| 22:04.57 | Trek00 | tarzeau: yes i always use the correct extension, but is not required to do the things |
| 22:05.10 | MatBoy | tarzeau, look to my earlier question ;) |
| 22:05.13 | tarzeau | Trek00: true but not required and useless is by far not the same |
| 22:05.30 | tomaw | MatBoy: grub doesn't always work. I use lilo on this box purely for that reason :) |
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| 22:05.41 | jelly | tarzeau: hmm, yes, but still there's no need to use a smaller number. |
| 22:05.43 | MatBoy | tomaw, I can talk with you :D |
| 22:05.43 | itchi | When i try 'modprobe fglrx' i get the message FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-k7/misc/fglrx.ko): Invalid module format And with dmesg i get the error fglrx: version magic '2.6.15-1-k7 K7 gcc-4.1' should be '2.6.15-1-k7 K7 gcc-4.0' 3D was working perfectly before |
| 22:05.43 | Trek00 | tarzeau: sorry my english is really bad to explain the things in the correct way |
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| 22:05.55 | penguin__ | I wonder if cat /dev/cdrom > /filename.iso would work? |
| 22:06.02 | jelly | penguin__: it would. |
| 22:06.02 | tarzeau | jelly: yes, i never said there is a need to do so |
| 22:06.08 | MatBoy | tomaw, do you know the key to get the bootmenu while booting ? |
| 22:06.10 | itchi | I have also try export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 But same still leave on my Etch box |
| 22:06.22 | jelly | penguin__: if your / is writable by that user. ;-) |
| 22:06.37 | penguin__ | Do you have to do dd as root? |
| 22:06.57 | Trek00 | penguin__: may be cat is running fine, but dd is more correct for device files |
| 22:07.12 | jelly | penguin__: gotta have read permissions on the device, so probably not. |
| 22:07.14 | penguin__ | Do I need to be root? |
| 22:07.15 | tomaw | MatBoy: sadly not, the only machines I use lilo on now are remote boxes that don't have the facility to show me the boot sequence that early on |
| 22:07.15 | Trek00 | penguin__: you must run dd from a user that can read /dev/cdrom |
| 22:07.15 | tarzeau | penguin__: depends who can read/write the files |
| 22:07.28 | tarzeau | penguin__: no, if you have permission to read and write to/from if/of |
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| 22:07.41 | tarzeau | penguin__: if you want to make iso dumps, use readcd instead |
| 22:07.55 | MatBoy | tomaw, ok.. I thought it was just a space or something |
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| 22:08.17 | tomaw | MatBoy: to be honest I've not used lilo locally for many years. :) |
| 22:08.24 | penguin__ | dont have to be root. |
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| 22:08.28 | itchi | I have rebuild the module with module-assistant after having do export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 But looks still are the same trouble. Is that normal? |
| 22:08.31 | MatBoy | tomaw, hehe, I needed it :) |
| 22:08.37 | fasta | How can I make an e like this, but with the accent the other way: é? I currently press the something mapped to Super, IIRC, and then ' followed by e. |
| 22:08.53 | penguin__ | I didnt put block size. Should that be problem? |
| 22:09.32 | tarzeau | penguin__: it'll be very very slow |
| 22:09.47 | tarzeau | penguin__: it'll be ok fast for floppy but anything over 20mb will be just slow |
| 22:10.05 | jelly | tarzeau: what, for bs=512? The OS does readahead anyway... |
| 22:10.17 | tarzeau | jelly: bs=512 still will be very very slow |
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| 22:10.31 | andreasdk | G'evenig. |
| 22:10.34 | tarzeau | jelly: you'll want something like 1 megabyte |
| 22:10.35 | jelly | tarzeau: only twice as much cpu as bs=1024 ;-) |
| 22:10.35 | penguin__ | The cd is humming away |
| 22:11.01 | tarzeau | jelly: really if you copied plenty amounts harddisk you know how slow it can be: www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy/ |
| 22:11.09 | andreasdk | Can someone please tell me how to DL the song that can be found here, so that I can listen to it after they remove it? |
| 22:11.15 | jelly | tarzeau: he doesn't copy hdds, but a cdrom. |
| 22:11.16 | tarzeau | penguin__: i'd really use readcd instead of dd for cd images |
| 22:11.28 | tarzeau | jelly: then i'd highly recommend using readcd and not dd |
| 22:11.52 | andreasdk | http://www.dr.dk/P3/Tjenesten/Sange/20060926110353.htm |
| 22:12.06 | jelly | tarzeau: meh, it is more correct, but it doesn't really matter. |
| 22:12.12 | tarzeau | jelly: yes it matters |
| 22:12.20 | tarzeau | jelly: this has nothing to do with more correct |
| 22:12.21 | penguin__ | The CD is really humming away. |
| 22:12.26 | tarzeau | jelly: i have gotten broken images with dd |
| 22:12.42 | tarzeau | jelly: i wouldn't tell this so many times if it wasn't important |
| 22:12.45 | jelly | tarzeau: I haven't! (tested for brokenness!) |
| 22:12.48 | tarzeau | but then it's not me ending with wrong images |
| 22:12.51 | tarzeau | jelly: well i have |
| 22:13.41 | penguin__ | HOw come the command man readcd | lp cuts off the right part of the page? |
| 22:14.00 | penguin__ | left part I mean |
| 22:14.05 | tarzeau | penguin__: www.linuks.mine.nu/cdrecord/ for a example of readcd usage |
| 22:14.11 | andreasdk | http://www.dr.dk/P3/Tjenesten/Sange/20060926110353.htm |
| 22:14.20 | andreasdk | How do I DL this song??? |
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| 22:15.57 | penguin__ | How to send man page to printer properly, I forgot? |
| 22:16.28 | fasta | How can I make a é, but with the accent the other way? |
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| 22:17.04 | tarzeau | penguin__: man man? |
| 22:17.13 | dondelelcaro | penguin__: man -t man|gv -; FE. |
| 22:17.16 | me_here | rvsjoen: does order matter in this case ? can i do a g++ -o main.cpp main too ? |
| 22:17.20 | me_here | ups |
| 22:17.23 | me_here | wrong channel |
| 22:17.29 | tarzeau | penguin__: or you can just cat it to the printer |
| 22:18.05 | penguin__ | How do you cat it to the printer? |
| 22:18.23 | penguin__ | cat `man readcd` | lp |
| 22:18.27 | penguin__ | ? |
| 22:18.28 | dondelelcaro | penguin__: |lpr -Pfooprinter; FE. |
| 22:18.32 | dondelelcaro | penguin__: you want the -t option. |
| 22:18.47 | dondelelcaro | sending just ascii to the printer tends to look ugly. |
| 22:18.49 | itchi | fasta: With my keyboard i press alt+h in an console. Here it will not work in screen+irssi |
| 22:19.25 | fasta | itchi: you mean that I should RTFM? |
| 22:19.30 | penguin__ | man -t readcd | lp |
| 22:19.41 | itchi | fasta: You mean the è |
| 22:19.47 | garuse | since i upgraded to etch i cannot seek in mp3 streams. does anyone know a fix for this? |
| 22:19.47 | fasta | itchi: right |
| 22:19.59 | tarzeau | garuse: using which application? |
| 22:20.15 | penguin__ | This file is still dding |
| 22:20.24 | itchi | fasta: What irc client are you using? |
| 22:20.39 | tarzeau | penguin__: is it still humming? you don't want to use readcd? |
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| 22:21.01 | penguin__ | man -t readcd | lp looks fantastic |
| 22:21.05 | fasta | itchi: irssi, but Alt-h opens the Help menu in gnome-terminal |
| 22:21.11 | garuse | tarzeau xmm, totem and I assume others too |
| 22:21.19 | tarzeau | garuse: opencubicplayer too? |
| 22:21.24 | itchi | fasta: euhm, i use xterm |
| 22:21.28 | tarzeau | garuse: madplay ? mpg321 ? |
| 22:21.33 | tarzeau | garuse: cynthiune.app ? |
| 22:21.34 | itchi | fasta: Yeah, these keybindings ... :-/ |
| 22:21.42 | tarzeau | garuse: i don't assume others too |
| 22:21.52 | fasta | itchi: oh, ok, that works |
| 22:22.00 | garuse | tarzeau: didn't try yet |
| 22:22.01 | fasta | itchi: what's the rationale behind that mapping? |
| 22:22.03 | Trek00 | wols & asg: the only way to solve my problem (as answered by #postfix guys) is to use maildrop transport with courier auth library (avaiable in testing) |
| 22:22.09 | tarzeau | garuse: well try it please |
| 22:22.14 | itchi | fasta: I not know |
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| 22:24.01 | fasta | itchi: Alt-i in xterm gives é. I like the compose mechanism more, though. |
| 22:24.23 | fasta | itchi: I brute-forced my keyboard to find it :) |
| 22:24.30 | penguin__ | I think I have problem |
| 22:24.56 | florg | hi, i've created an ext3 partition to export my /home directory there. I try to mount the partition with options rw,user,exec in fstab but i can't get any permissions for users. what to do? |
| 22:24.58 | Trek00 | penguin__: huston listening you :> |
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| 22:25.10 | penguin__ | penguin penguin 278066688 2006-09-26 17:30 office03.iso |
| 22:25.15 | penguin__ | Is that file too big? |
| 22:25.26 | Trek00 | florg: what tipe of permission? |
| 22:25.46 | fasta | itchi: Ok, I found it: è by compose key followed by ` followed by e. |
| 22:25.48 | Trek00 | penguin__: not, may be too small, but try to mount cdrom and do df |
| 22:26.02 | florg | i'd like write permissions for the uses in the /home directory |
| 22:26.02 | itchi | fasta: alt+h |
| 22:26.20 | florg | e.g. for /home/user |
| 22:26.38 | fasta | itchi: yes, I heard you, that's what you can use in xterm. I prefer this. |
| 22:26.50 | Trek00 | florg: chown user:group /home/user; chmod u+rw /home/user |
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| 22:27.37 | itchi | fasta: How do you it in the other way? I have not understand how you get it without the alt+h |
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| 22:28.36 | kern_malloc | After installing debian and setting up alsa, I do not seem to have /dev/audio or /dev/dsp. So when I try to play a sound I keep getting hte error "Cannot open default sound device" |
| 22:28.45 | kern_malloc | How would i make sure /dev/audio and /dev/dsp propagate in /dev? |
| 22:29.05 | me_here | kern_malloc: load your soundcards's module |
| 22:29.36 | kern_malloc | well i thought if alsa loads it, it is loaded? i.e. i can use alsamixer and see my soundcard |
| 22:29.48 | me_here | kern_malloc: nope |
| 22:30.16 | me_here | kern_malloc: use alsaconf for configuring the right sound module and loading or do it manually |
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| 22:30.36 | me_here | modprobe snd_sbawe for example |
| 22:31.26 | me_here | kern_malloc: i used alsaconf and it works, but next reboot it doesn't load my sound module, so i got to write it in /etc/modules |
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| 22:31.56 | garuse | tarzeau: maybe i wasn't explicit enough, i cannot seek in HTTP mp3 streams. |
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| 22:32.16 | tarzeau | garuse: aha! |
| 22:32.35 | itchi | seek in streams is not possible i think |
| 22:32.58 | itchi | Like you get parts of music, you not need to wait to get the whole file to begin to listen to |
| 22:33.06 | garuse | itchi: in sarge it worked |
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| 22:33.50 | garuse | itchi: i have a streaming server (edna) |
| 22:34.04 | itchi | garuse: Which player use you? |
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| 22:34.14 | garuse | itchi: xmms |
| 22:34.22 | florg | Trek00: thx, i hope this settings will be restored after a restart... i'll try now |
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| 22:34.58 | Trek00 | florg: the permissions are permanent, if it is ok now, then will be ok on the next boot |
| 22:35.44 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 22:35.48 | florg | ok |
| 22:35.53 | Shadowcat | can someone ssh into my.nada.kth.se? |
| 22:36.01 | Shadowcat | as in get a login/password promt? |
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| 22:36.19 | Shadowcat | prompt* |
| 22:36.23 | garuse | itchi: and alsa is crashing after a day or two |
| 22:36.45 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: ssh: into: Name or service not known |
| 22:36.50 | itchi | garuse: I use here gnump3d |
| 22:37.02 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: pfft you know what I meant |
| 22:37.04 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: gna... trying |
| 22:37.12 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: ssh: connect to host my.nada.kth.se port 22: Connection refused |
| 22:37.13 | garuse | say itchi: it is not a server problem |
| 22:37.18 | Shadowcat | wtf |
| 22:37.38 | Shadowcat | why the hell would my school shut down the ssh server |
| 22:37.38 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: it's refusing tcp connections |
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| 22:37.38 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: they didn't shut it down |
| 22:37.45 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: probably, they just limited who can access it |
| 22:37.52 | Shadowcat | limited? |
| 22:37.55 | tarzeau | well more exactly, from which ip address people can access it |
| 22:37.58 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: yeah |
| 22:38.01 | garuse | itchi: i suspect an alsa problem |
| 22:38.06 | Shadowcat | there's no ip limit that I know of |
| 22:38.24 | Shadowcat | bah oh well I guess this will have to wait until tomorrow |
| 22:38.31 | MatBoy | It seems that a BIG-MEM kernel works better with 2 GB of ram.... strange because it should be working better from 4GB and up |
| 22:38.34 | Shadowcat | I wanted to connect to it to see how the school setup matlab |
| 22:38.40 | Shadowcat | so that I could figure out what to throw out of my install |
| 22:38.54 | Shadowcat | there's no way I could use all 2.5 gigs of it |
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| 22:39.33 | Shadowcat | and my isp has had problems all night, so I thought it was at my end |
| 22:39.34 | Shadowcat | :( |
| 22:39.35 | Shadowcat | oh well |
| 22:39.42 | me_here | Shadowcat: perhaps they require you an authorization key ? |
| 22:39.50 | garuse | itchi: because even after /etc/init.d/alsa unload |
| 22:39.55 | Shadowcat | public key pair? |
| 22:39.58 | Shadowcat | doubtful |
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| 22:40.08 | jcole | wtf is the difference between "unix" (solaris, tru64, mac os, freebsd, hpux, etc.) and "linux"? i though linux was originally based on bsd code, just like any other unix... does "unix" mean "not linux"? |
| 22:40.14 | me_here | Shadowcat: maybe ? i dunno |
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| 22:40.38 | leOn | howdy |
| 22:40.39 | garuse | itchi: i can hear some noises |
| 22:40.49 | itchi | garuse: Ohyea, seeking is possible of an stream hhhmmmm. Thanks mate ;-) |
| 22:41.16 | me_here | jcole: nope unix is somewhat different than linux |
| 22:41.17 | Trek00 | jcole: UNIX is an operating system that conforming to POSIX and other standards, linux not meet all the standards |
| 22:41.27 | garuse | itchi: glad that is working for you ;) |
| 22:42.08 | itchi | garuse: I use mplayer for it, then it works right with seeking |
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| 22:42.31 | woodgrain | is lapack3 a crucial library? (Linear Algebra PACKage ) |
| 22:43.39 | Trek00 | jcole: unix is also referred as a family of operating system, there are many misleading usage of the word unix |
| 22:43.50 | garuse | itchi: doesn't work with mplayer for me |
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| 22:44.23 | itchi | garuse: Ug, strange, here it's with xmms that i doesn't :-/ |
| 22:44.35 | itchi | garuse: Having Etch here |
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| 22:47.02 | woodgrain | I'm getting a failure at netinst. "[!!] select and install software. No specific notes. How can I learn more about what happened? |
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| 22:48.09 | garuse | itchi: strange indeed, cause i noticed that behavior on multiple stations in my office: working in sarge, and stoped working after upgrading to etch |
| 22:48.40 | petemc | woodgrain: alt + f4 , or or some other function button - there should be a window of messages somewhere |
| 22:48.57 | itchi | garuse: There should be somethings goes wrong some else then :-/ |
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| 22:50.15 | garuse | itchi: i have a VIA VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 card |
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| 22:51.00 | itchi | garuse: Here Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0) |
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| 22:52.10 | garuse | itchi: and when it's crashing i simple reboot is not enough. i need to poweroff the pc to make the noise dissaper |
| 22:52.42 | itchi | That's realy crap |
| 22:53.00 | woodgrain | petemc, thanks. |
| 22:53.02 | leOn | any of you guys ever worked with multipath for storage devices, such as san boxes, or know if there's any channel in here where i can get some help regarding that topic? |
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| 22:53.14 | garuse | itchi: something realy bad is happening |
| 22:54.30 | garuse | itchi: guess that the only solution for now is to disable the onboard card and stick another one in |
| 22:55.25 | itchi | garuse: I know it's easy to say, try to solve the trouble? Maybe post it on the Usenet. The devs would be know about it, to solve it |
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| 22:57.42 | garuse | itchi: i will try to post it but i was hoping that there is a workaround for it already |
| 22:58.09 | garuse | itchi: thanx allot |
| 22:58.28 | itchi | garuse: I know to less about it :-/ |
| 22:58.39 | itchi | garuse: Still learning the greatest stuff ;-) |
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| 23:00.49 | jcole | Trek00: i saw an article today about "apple unix vs linux" and it made me wonder wtf defines unix... |
| 23:01.19 | abrotman | it's easy |
| 23:01.24 | Trek00 | jcole: probably they say apple unix to say macosx |
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| 23:01.26 | garuse | itchi: all the bests ;) at least i confesed my problems :) |
| 23:01.37 | abrotman | http://www.opengroup.org/platform/unix_certification/ |
| 23:01.44 | Trek00 | jcole: i don't think that macosx meets the unix standards too |
| 23:01.49 | garuse | itchi: can't tell things like this to the shrink :) |
| 23:02.00 | abrotman | Trek00: they might mean appleunix |
| 23:02.03 | itchi | garuse: lol |
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| 23:02.24 | abrotman | Trek00: i think there was an older apple unix |
| 23:02.33 | abrotman | might be wrong htough |
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| 23:02.37 | abrotman | might be thinking of something else |
| 23:03.06 | Trek00 | abrotman: i never heard about unix by apple that it isn't macosx |
| 23:03.19 | printk | AIX |
| 23:03.24 | printk | is apple |
| 23:03.25 | Trek00 | aix is ibm |
| 23:03.27 | Trek00 | :> |
| 23:03.30 | printk | oh you're right |
| 23:03.31 | rvsjoen | anybody got a repository that contains stlfilt packages ? |
| 23:03.53 | abrotman | Trek00: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A/UX |
| 23:04.00 | abrotman | !win me |
| 23:04.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 23:04.03 | printk | wasn't there something called Apple/UX? |
| 23:04.06 | printk | A/UX that's it :) |
| 23:04.27 | Trek00 | woow |
| 23:04.59 | abrotman | Trek00: way old |
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| 23:05.17 | Trek00 | :D |
| 23:06.15 | abrotman | Trek00: if you look at the Unix map .. all kinds of weird things pop up |
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| 23:06.45 | Trek00 | abrotman: it was the only unix that i don't never heard about |
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| 23:06.57 | abrotman | Trek00: i guarantee there are others :) |
| 23:06.57 | Trek00 | abrotman: i was think about nexstep |
| 23:07.07 | pack | is there a place to get old debian packages, like stuff out of sid that never went stable? |
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| 23:07.26 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 23:07.27 | dpkg | i guess sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 23:07.46 | pack | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:08.08 | abrotman | Trek00: seemingly .. at one time .. every major tech company had their own |
| 23:08.29 | Trek00 | abrotman: yes i know, but never heard A/UX :> |
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| 23:08.48 | abrotman | Trek00: heeard of SPIX ? |
| 23:09.06 | herfer | how do I confirm what version of debian I am running ? uname just shows me my kernel version... |
| 23:09.08 | Trek00 | there isn't non-stop unix? |
| 23:09.18 | abrotman | !version |
| 23:09.18 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 23:09.47 | abrotman | Trek00: there are servers called Non-Stop that run unix |
| 23:10.07 | herfer | ahh thank you |
| 23:10.24 | Trek00 | abrotman: the non-stop unix is a unix, but it seems to not be included in the unix-like wikipedia page |
| 23:10.38 | abrotman | Trek00: from HP ? |
| 23:10.40 | herfer | so I am on v3.1 of debian - which is considered more correct for me - x.org or XFree86 ? |
| 23:11.00 | abrotman | Trek00: it is from HP |
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| 23:11.10 | jcole | i think non-stop is an brand of hp server line |
| 23:11.10 | Celeste | hi |
| 23:11.19 | jcole | ya |
| 23:11.22 | abrotman | Trek00: http://www.levenez.com/unix/ .. see how many there are? |
| 23:11.23 | Trek00 | abrotman: buyed by hp |
| 23:11.24 | abrotman | jcole: both |
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| 23:11.34 | jcole | http://tinyurl.com/cpe3a |
| 23:11.46 | Celeste | how can switch on the interface eth1 ? |
| 23:11.52 | herfer | my guess was x.org, but when I: apt-get install xserver-xorg, I am told: E: Couldn't find package xserver-xorg |
| 23:12.07 | Trek00 | abrotman: the real name was Tandem Computers NonStop-UX |
| 23:12.10 | abrotman | herfer: whcih version of debian ? |
| 23:12.14 | herfer | 3.1 |
| 23:12.20 | abrotman | Trek00: but HP now sells servers named nonstop |
| 23:12.20 | jcole | Celeste: make sure the module for it is loaded and try a "ifup eth1" |
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| 23:12.24 | abrotman | herfer: you have xfree86 |
| 23:12.31 | herfer | ahh ok |
| 23:12.34 | abrotman | herfer: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 23:12.34 | herfer | I will just leave it at that then. |
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| 23:12.44 | Trek00 | abrotman: nonstop was buyed by digital, buyed by compaq, buyed by hp |
| 23:12.49 | Celeste | jcole, Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1. |
| 23:12.50 | abrotman | bought! |
| 23:13.14 | Trek00 | abrotman: sorry for the english irregular fscked terms :> |
| 23:13.14 | herfer | abrotman : I have nothing in /usr/X11R6/bin but 'gxditview' - is that a good clue that Xfree still needs to be installed ? |
| 23:13.24 | abrotman | Trek00: and you only have to say "NonStop Unix is from Tandem" and then we all know that lineage |
| 23:13.24 | herfer | (I dont want to install it twice) |
| 23:13.38 | abrotman | herfer: it won't be installed twice |
| 23:13.45 | herfer | ok thx very much. |
| 23:13.46 | jcole | i'll buy a vowel |
| 23:13.50 | MatBoy | abrotman, do you have any idea why a system should run better with 2GB and a bigmem-kernel ? It shouldn't make any difference |
| 23:14.03 | abrotman | MatBoy: what bigmem-kernel ? |
| 23:14.08 | jcole | Celeste: what does "dhclient eth1" do for you |
| 23:14.11 | MatBoy | 2.6.17-2 |
| 23:14.24 | abrotman | MatBoy: and run better than what ? |
| 23:14.38 | jcole | Celeste: is this a wireless card? |
| 23:14.43 | MatBoy | abrotman, a normal 2.6.16-686-smp |
| 23:14.56 | Celeste | jcole, a normal netword card |
| 23:14.57 | abrotman | Trek00: and we know that tandem was bought by compaq .. then cpq was bought by HP .. and HP still offers some of those items |
| 23:15.02 | Celeste | jcole, I will paste it to pastebin |
| 23:15.07 | abrotman | MatBoy: what bigmem-kernel ? |
| 23:15.18 | Trek00 | abrotman: tandem bas boght by digital |
| 23:15.20 | Trek00 | :> |
| 23:15.27 | MatBoy | 2.6.17 has it enabled by default I have understood here |
| 23:15.29 | abrotman | Trek00: no |
| 23:15.45 | Celeste | jcole, http://pastebin.com/795120 |
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| 23:15.57 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure it wasn't .. but it's not really relevant to debian .. so let's stop |
| 23:16.24 | jcole | Celeste: http://pastebin.ca is "much more gooder" btw |
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| 23:16.44 | Trek00 | abrotman: you are right |
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| 23:16.54 | abrotman | MatBoy: it's easy for you to check .. but remember that many other things may have changed in 2.6.17 |
| 23:16.55 | sierra9ne | hi ppl |
| 23:16.57 | jcole | Celeste: what about "ifconfig eth1" |
| 23:17.15 | MatBoy | abrotman, my system is really faster again with it :) |
| 23:17.21 | abrotman | i need stats! |
| 23:17.32 | MatBoy | abrotman, I had memory problems with 2.6.16-2 |
| 23:17.42 | abrotman | that might be one reason |
| 23:17.44 | sierra9ne | is there an pt-get repository that contains a full debian 3.1 distro package archive ? |
| 23:17.52 | sierra9ne | apt-get even |
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| 23:18.09 | MatBoy | I had 2.6.17 already installed, but was booting 2.6.16 because I thought 2.6.17 locked my whole system before with nvidia-drivers... but that was a kernel-option that I had to give |
| 23:18.26 | Celeste | jcole: got it to work |
| 23:18.40 | Celeste | ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 |
| 23:18.41 | jcole | i think i've got something like debian 3.1cvs129-2434a installed |
| 23:18.57 | abrotman | sierra9ne: there are many |
| 23:19.19 | sierra9ne | where could i find a list ...? pointer ..? |
| 23:19.31 | jcole | Celeste: cool beans |
| 23:20.00 | Celeste | jcole, beans? |
| 23:20.22 | jcole | Celeste: hot beans |
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| 23:20.43 | Celeste | jcole, http://www.dict.cc/?s=cool+beans |
| 23:21.07 | jcole | LOL |
| 23:21.24 | Celeste | jcole, what can I use it for? I like this phrase |
| 23:21.28 | Celeste | when can I say "cool beans" ? |
| 23:21.29 | jcole | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cool+beans |
| 23:22.24 | Celeste | LOL |
| 23:22.27 | Celeste | a car made out of weed |
| 23:22.34 | Celeste | isn't weed this illegal stuff? |
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| 23:24.26 | runa | hi i want to copy a dvd with dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso but it doesnt work |
| 23:24.40 | runa | what is wrong in this |
| 23:24.55 | runa | and how can i copy a dvd |
| 23:24.57 | peterS | runa: 'cp /dev/hdc image.iso' is simpler. it still may or may not work, depending on the type of DVD |
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| 23:25.21 | runa | why does dd not work |
| 23:25.23 | runa | ?? |
| 23:25.52 | peterS | runa: you haven't said what the nature of the DVD is. there are lots of things you can store on a DVD, hence the name 'digital _versatile_ disc' |
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| 23:26.35 | peterS | runa: the cp (or dd, if you really like that sort of syntax) should work for a data DVD, or a region 0 unencrypted video DVD, for example |
| 23:26.36 | teksimian | okay... soo... why is there no liblame-dev, and where do i get it? |
| 23:26.43 | peterS | !lame |
| 23:26.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 23:26.50 | teksimian | why does this distro have massive issues with codecs? |
| 23:27.06 | peterS | teksimian: because Debian cannot afford patent licenses for all our users |
| 23:27.21 | peterS | teksimian: would you like to donate a few hundred thousand dollars for this purpose, so we can distribute lame? |
| 23:27.25 | teksimian | peterS, this wasnt an issue on freebsd. |
| 23:27.38 | teksimian | and, im pretty sure ubuntu distributes it. |
| 23:27.48 | peterS | teksimian: maybe they bought a patent license, then. Debian didn't, and won't. |
| 23:27.58 | saboteur | i think you'll find that freebsd has it in the ports, but not a binary package |
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| 23:28.34 | teksimian | saboteur, so... make install still worked wonders there. |
| 23:28.39 | peterS | teksimian: also, Debian has a principle of trying _not_ to screw our users. if we distributed something that users would get sued for using without a patent license, we would feel kind of bad about that. maybe ubuntu and freebsd don't care about their users' legal liability |
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| 23:28.51 | disasm | teksimian: ubuntu does not have w32codecs either |
| 23:28.59 | lhds | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.14 | saboteur | teksimian, have you read the license? i think it says you can distribute it in source form but not in binary |
| 23:29.33 | saboteur | (haven't looked for a while) |
| 23:29.38 | peterS | saboteur: no, you're thinking of other software. lame is free to distribute, but if you want to _use_ it you'd better buy a patent license from Fraunhofer Institute |
| 23:29.40 | disasm | teksimian: or decss for htat matter |
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| 23:30.26 | abrotman | there is libdvdread |
| 23:30.32 | peterS | teksimian: anyway, that's why Debian has a problem with codecs. because we don't want to screw our users by providing something they'll get in trouble for using |
| 23:30.45 | saboteur | peterS, ah |
| 23:30.49 | saboteur | when does that expire? |
| 23:31.05 | peterS | don't know. not for a long time yet. |
| 23:31.21 | teksimian | peterS, ... so what about the non free repository ? |
| 23:31.23 | peterS | but this is why we have ogg vorbis, so we don't have to wait |
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| 23:31.50 | peterS | teksimian: even in the non-free repository, we don't want to make our users liable to lawsuits. and potentially Debian would get sued too, for distributing the patented code |
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| 23:32.31 | peterS | teksimian: this isn't empty talk either, the Fraunhofer and Thomson have made public claims about the necessity to buy patent licenses, so it's easy to believe they'll go after large organisations who violate their patents |
| 23:33.11 | peterS | teksimian: Debian doesn't worry much about software patents which are not being actively enforced - if we did we wouldn't be able to distribute much at all - but in the case of MP3 encoders like LAME, it _is_ being enforced |
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| 23:34.36 | abrotman | Thomson has stated that individuals using free MP3 encoders are not required to pay fees. |
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| 23:34.48 | Hocus | hi how do i install a pinnacle 320e hybrid pro stick on debian ? |
| 23:35.00 | azeem | abrotman: dunno if that would hold in court |
| 23:35.06 | zinx | abrotman: erh, i thought that was decoders |
| 23:35.06 | abrotman | azeem: i realize that |
| 23:35.14 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Licensing_and_patent_issues |
| 23:35.24 | abrotman | + grain of salt |
| 23:35.34 | azeem | I managed to get a OGG-capable mp3 player |
| 23:36.33 | rvsjoen | is there a command line tool that is able to calculate binary shifts ? like for example (1<<9) integer I shifted X times |
| 23:36.34 | abrotman | i managed to buy a CD :) |
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| 23:37.03 | anapivirtua | Nighty |
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| 23:40.13 | abrotman | !Moo |
| 23:40.13 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:41.09 | SubStack | azeem: perl of course! |
| 23:41.18 | azeem | SubStack: ? |
| 23:41.23 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:41.32 | anapivirtua | pow magnet :] |
| 23:41.40 | magnet | gn anapivirtua :) |
| 23:41.59 | SubStack | or rvsjoen, rather |
| 23:42.35 | abrotman | SubStack: that was quite a misfire |
| 23:42.40 | SubStack | 'twas |
| 23:42.53 | SubStack | there's too many lines |
| 23:42.59 | mgois|away | anyone using the imagefield module? |
| 23:43.00 | magyar | in vimrc i have a option "set mouse=a" and I can't copy or paste from vi to any other program with the mouse select. ? |
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| 23:43.22 | rvsjoen | hehe |
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| 23:44.34 | mgois|away | I copied the files to the modules directory and enabled it in admin/modules. Still don't have a imagefield type... |
| 23:44.56 | mgois|away | the README.txt doesn't help much |
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| 23:46.38 | mgois | ixxx... sorry... wrong channel :P |
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| 23:52.01 | yggdrasi1 | how can i check/ change what time zone my box is int ? |
| 23:52.19 | peterS | yggdrasi1: compare 'date' and 'TZ= date' |
| 23:52.38 | peterS | yggdrasi1: you'll see how many hours different they are, plus the name of the TZ on the first line |
| 23:52.55 | yggdrasi1 | whats teh cmd ? |
| 23:53.03 | peterS | yggdrasi1: I gave you the two commands |
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| 23:53.21 | yggdrasi1 | gotcha thanks |
| 23:53.34 | yggdrasi1 | ok looks lright |
| 23:53.37 | yggdrasi1 | im an hour behind though |
| 23:53.46 | Malagmyr | I went from sarge to sid on my laptop, and everything worked exceptionally well, except apm, though I DIDN'T change my kernel, as it was from sid already (2.6.8-3-686). When my machine tries to power off now, it shuts down the LCD and the harddrive and just sits there with the power light on, forcing me to hold the shutdown button in for 5 seconds to actually cut power. Before, it shut down completely on its own. I tried adding "apm=po |
| 23:53.47 | Malagmyr | wer-off" to the append section of lilo.conf, but that only caused it NOT to turn off the LCD, stopping at "Power Off" on the screen. Help? |
| 23:53.47 | yggdrasi1 | how can i manualy execute ntpdate ? |
| 23:53.58 | peterS | yggdrasi1: 'ntpdate pool.ntp.org' |
| 23:54.24 | yggdrasi1 | thank yopu |
| 23:54.33 | yggdrasi1 | brb |
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| 23:56.34 | abrotman | Malagmyr: how old is hte machine ? |
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| 23:58.58 | Malagmyr | abrotman: HP Omnibook 6100... Y2K, thereabout. |
