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`00:00.08`	DaveyB`	`abrotman, thanks for all your help so far.`
`00:00.18`	`abrotman`	DaveyB`: what's the command you were using ?
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`00:00.46`	`jelly-home`	`chino[dev]: internet site means: receive mail on this host from everywhere, and send mail directly (not via the smarthost)`
`00:00.59`	DaveyB`	`abrotman, This was the end command after I did everything from that website: apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-686 .`
`00:01.18`	`abrotman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:01.18`	`chino[dev]`	`oh so by a real smtp server you mean a another system that is dedicated to smtp ?`
`00:01.22`	`abrotman`	DaveyB`: try that
`00:01.28`	`chino[dev]`	`and if you use internet site it uses the local stmp ?`
`00:01.37`	`jelly-home`	`chino[dev]: indeed.`
`00:01.38`	DaveyB`	`abrotman, what's 686?`
`00:01.44`	`abrotman`	`!686`
`00:01.44`	`dpkg`	`In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel, or if you want to take advantage of hyperthreading support, you should install a -smp kernel.`
`00:01.49`	`chino[dev]`	`what is the local stmp i thought postfix was ?`
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`00:02.20`	`jetscreamer`	`exim4 by default`
`00:02.28`	`jetscreamer`	`postfix if you install it`
`00:02.29`	`jelly-home`	`chino[dev]: this refers to the way mail for outside world will be handled.`
`00:02.46`	`jelly-home`	`chino[dev]: for local mail, they should be pretty much the same.`
`00:03.14`	`andrewy`	`i'm trying to use a custom kernel (2.6.18) with udev. I've installed udev, but whenever my pc boots i get the errors "mount: unknown filesystem type 'devfs'" "pivot_root: No such file or directory" and "/sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: no such file". does anyone know how to fix that problem?`
`00:03.41`	`jetscreamer`	`ah what was that factoid`
`00:03.45`	`jetscreamer`	`!no console`
`00:03.49`	`abrotman`	`!devconsole`
`00:03.49`	`dpkg`	`hmm... devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141`
`00:03.58`	`jetscreamer`	`\o/`
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`00:04.23`	`chino[dev]`	`um the postfix isntalation got stuck if i hit yes or no it keeps asking the same question`
`00:04.23`	`abrotman`	`i'm still not sure it's the best solution .. but i haven't found much else`
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`00:04.41`	`jetscreamer`	`ah the i hate you greg one`
`00:04.49`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
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`00:05.07`	`Unryu`	`Ok, turns out I do need some assistance with getting nvidia setup. I can modprobe it, but xorg still claims that the nvidia module cant be found`
`00:05.09`	`jelly-home`	`what's the make-initrd thingy that works with udev?`
`00:05.12`	`chino[dev]`	`what do i do if hte installer gets stuck /`
`00:05.25`	`jetscreamer`	`speaking of... who is the linux-image maintainer goddammit!`
`00:05.29`	`abrotman`	`push`
`00:05.43`	`abrotman`	`jetscreamer: !maint`
`00:05.53`	`jetscreamer`	`it's FINALLY a nice package :)`
`00:06.03`	`jetscreamer`	`.18 that is`
`00:06.07`	`abrotman`	`oh`
`00:06.08`	`jetscreamer`	`.17 maybe... i dunno`
`00:06.08`	`chino[dev]`	`im stuck`
`00:06.15`	`abrotman`	`push`
`00:06.29`	`chino[dev]`	`waht do i do ?`
`00:06.30`	`jelly-home`	`chino[dev]: use the windows method: stop it and try again?`
`00:06.43`	`jetscreamer`	`he made enough improvements that i actually might give up compiling my own`
`00:06.56`	`Unryu`	`abrotman: I got into a GUI now, and I was able to install nvidia, but modprobing nvidia doesnt allow me to start, as it claims module nvidia not found. Any thoughts on that?`
`00:06.59`	`chino[dev]`	`wow ctrl+ z or c doesn't work`
`00:07.15`	`jelly-home`	`chino[dev]: ctrl-\ ?`
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`00:07.25`	`jetscreamer`	`wtf is a /dev/cciss/c0d0p1`
`00:07.29`	`jetscreamer`	`zomg!`
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`00:08.08`	`jelly-home`	`jetscreamer: it's a partition on a disc connected to a internal Compaq / HP RAID Smartarray controller.`
`00:08.21`	`webfreak`	`i haven't compiled my own kernel in over a year...`
`00:08.31`	`jetscreamer`	`ah`
`00:08.48`	`webfreak`	`and i used to be all about building my own back in the day`
`00:09.02`	`webfreak`	`i just started using the k7 images, heh`
`00:09.28`	`jetscreamer`	`i'd be happy not to have to compile every release`
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`00:10.12`	`chino[dev]`	`it wont let me kill the defunct processes`
`00:10.39`	`chino[dev]`	`ok i got out`
`00:11.02`	`jelly-home`	`chino[dev]: try continuing the installation with dpkg --configure -a`
`00:11.06`	`chino[dev]`	`it did it again`
`00:11.14`	`jelly-home`	`whoops`
`00:11.25`	`chino[dev]`	`apt-extracttemp <defunct>`
`00:12.04`	DaveyB`	`abrotman, just installed that what did I just do?`
`00:12.07`	`jetscreamer`	`extract the .debs to /tmp i guess`
`00:12.08`	`chino[dev]`	`Warning: Newline present in parameters passed to debconf.`
`00:12.08`	`chino[dev]`	`This will probably cause strange things to happen!`
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`00:12.26`	`abrotman`	DaveyB`: installed a new kernel .. and with it .. newer alsa items
`00:12.36`	`jelly-home`	`apt-extracttemplates - Utility to extract DebConf config and templates from`
`00:12.41`	DaveyB`	`ok`
`00:12.51`	`abrotman`	DaveyB`: there are also .. other alsa items you might want to isntall
`00:12.53`	`chino[dev]`	`dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/postfix_2.1.5-9_i386.deb (--unpack):`
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`00:13.10`	`jelly-home`	`chino[dev]: stupid question, is the disk full?`
`00:13.30`	`abrotman`	DaveyB`: you can try `apt-get install -t sarge-backports alsa-driver alsa-lib alsa-oss alsa-plugins alsa-tools alsa-utils
`00:13.47`	DaveyB`	`abrotman, when i uname -a it says: Linux foo 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linu`
`00:13.49`	`abrotman`	`erm .. apt-get -t sarge-backports install blah blah blah`
`00:13.56`	`abrotman`	DaveyB`: you'd have to reboot to get it to take effect
`00:14.10`	DaveyB`	`abrotman, so I need to reboot now or install now`
`00:14.18`	`chino[dev]`	`no its a new server`
`00:14.19`	`abrotman`	`install those .. then reboot`
`00:14.27`	`chino[dev]`	`its running the new debian i think`
`00:14.42`	DaveyB`	`abrotman, I get this error : Couldn't find package alsa-driver`
`00:14.50`	`abrotman`	`drivers`
`00:14.58`	`abrotman`	`oh .. it is alsa-driver`
`00:14.59`	`abrotman`	`wtf`
`00:15.10`	`delire`	DaveyB`: use apt-cache search
`00:15.17`	`jelly-home`	`chino[dev]: no idea then. I'd do apt-get clean; apt-get install postfix`
`00:15.22`	`abrotman`	DaveyB`: bah .. just skip that for now .. reboot .. get the new kernel (hopefully)
`00:16.17`	DaveyB`	`I will reboot BRB`
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`00:17.50`	`abrotman`	`oh ..we forgot to bless him`
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`00:18.05`	`webfreak`	`should we hold a memorial service? ;)`
`00:18.11`	`chino[dev]`	`ah that worked!`
`00:18.12`	`chino[dev]`	`thanks`
`00:18.12`	`webfreak`	`in case he doesn't come back`
`00:18.13`	`abrotman`	`we'll see if he makes it back :)`
`00:18.15`	`webfreak`	`hehe`
`00:18.25`	`abrotman`	!mourn DaveyB`
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`00:18.36`	`webfreak`	`heh`
`00:18.51`	`viator`	`how can i find and kill a certain app / daemon`
`00:19.07`	`abrotman`	`usualyl they have an init script`
`00:19.19`	`viator`	`specifically gnome network manager`
`00:19.41`	`abrotman`	`oh .. ps aux .. fin dit .. kill it`
`00:20.07`	`viator`	`oh so i get the pid #`
`00:20.13`	`azeem`	`viator: grep for Network`
`00:20.14`	`chino[dev]`	`so i can install exim4 and postfix right`
`00:20.21`	`azeem`	`ps's output, I mean`
`00:20.34`	`azeem`	`chino[dev]: you cannot install both on the same system`
`00:20.44`	`viator`	`and use the kill comand on that #`
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`00:20.50`	`webfreak`	`viator: yes`
`00:21.26`	`ViTuu`	`alguem fala portugues?`
`00:21.33`	`kyuss`	`Hola`
`00:22.12`	`stew`	`!br`
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`00:22.12`	`dpkg`	`Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
`00:22.21`	`kyuss`	`Um, alright, I've been stuck on 640x480 resolution for about a week now, I just bought a new video card: e-geforce FX 5500`
`00:22.27`	`ViTuu`	`hello hello, i dont know why, you say good bye, i say hello.. hello? hello!`
`00:22.35`	`webfreak`	`...`
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`00:23.22`	`kyuss`	`What modifications do I need to make in order to make my new video card work?`
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`00:24.14`	`abrotman`	`kyuss: have you tried to isntall any drivers? :)`
`00:24.34`	`kyuss`	`I haven't installed the thing yet, but forewarned is forearmed as they say`
`00:26.38`	`kyuss`	`so no`
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`00:27.28`	`kyuss`	`I'm just working under the assumption that the driver disk that came with the thing won't work :P`
`00:27.35`	`kyuss`	`I'll brb, gonna install it`
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`00:32.55`	`syork`	`How do I disable console blanking?`
`00:33.19`	`dondelelcaro`	`syork: in X, xset -dpms;`
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`00:33.57`	`Blues-Man`	`hi all`
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`00:34.54`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, sound works, now my WIFI is down and it won't reboot. For some reason it wont let do modprobe ndiswrapper it says: FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found., so how do i remvoe it reinstall it again>`
`00:34.54`	`viator`	`howdo i restart dbus?`
`00:35.12`	`karsten`	`syork: for console, man tset`
`00:35.17`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: do you have regular netowrk ?`
`00:35.20`	`stoned`	`apt-get --purge remove neighbors`
`00:35.21`	`Blues-Man`	`If I do a dpkg-reconfigure locales and then I'll put zh_CN gb2312 as locales, could I use programs written in chinese then? or i need something else?`
`00:35.29`	`stoned`	`oh did I say that outloud`
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`00:36.19`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, : I am using ethernet now direct into the router, would be better if i could use my WIFI`
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`00:36.32`	`viator`	`whats the command to restart dbus`
`00:36.48`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, have to use ndiswrapper for my lame WIFI card it's a IMPROCOMM nasty thing`
`00:36.54`	`abrotman`	`!tell DaveyB about ndiswrapper one-liner`
`00:36.59`	`stoned`	`/etc/init.d/dbus restart`
`00:37.07`	`stoned`	`sudo, su, or as root`
`00:37.36`	`stoned`	`!wifi`
`00:37.36`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, wifi is a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking.`
`00:37.44`	`stoned`	`stupid fucking name, wi fi`
`00:37.52`	`stoned`	`wtf does it stand for anyway`
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`00:37.59`	`abrotman`	`!wifi`
`00:37.59`	`dpkg`	`methinks wifi is a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking.`
`00:38.08`	`abrotman`	`stoned: it's a play on "hifi"`
`00:38.12`	`abrotman`	`afaik anyways`
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`00:38.44`	`stoned`	`what the shit?`
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`00:38.45`	`stoned`	`damn freenode`
`00:38.46`	`stoned`	`:(`
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`00:38.48`	`abrotman`	`stoned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wifi`
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`00:39.09`	`stoned`	`before I got d/c, I said, I know, but I'm still gonna make fun of it`
`00:39.20`	`stoned`	`its like the old car, Vista Cruiser`
`00:39.26`	`stoned`	`you can REALLY cruise the Vistas`
`00:39.29`	`stoned`	`no kiddin`
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`00:40.29`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, i need to install my kernel headers again. would that be apt-get kernel-headers2.6.86-486`
`00:41.05`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: linux-headers-2.6.16-2-686 i think`
`00:41.27`	`jelly-home`	`is the same dpkg bot on both oftc and here?`
`00:41.39`	`simonrvn`	`no, same db though`
`00:41.41`	`DaveyB`	`apt-get install kernel-headers2.6.16-2-686`
`00:41.51`	`DaveyB`	`k`
`00:42.02`	`abrotman`	`simonrvn: i thought it was the same bot`
`00:42.36`	`Yggdrasil`	`how do i restart my samba daemon ?`
`00:42.50`	`abrotman`	`/etc/init.d/samba restart`
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`00:43.13`	`simonrvn`	`nope`
`00:43.19`	`Yggdrasil`	`thanks abrotman`
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`00:43.30`	`jelly-home`	`simonrvn: I'd have a use for a bot like that if it could join more than one server (and differing channels too).`
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`00:44.08`	`Yggdrasil`	`brb`
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`00:45.25`	`syork`	`How do I disable console blanking? If I do xset -dpms it will be enabled again when X is restarted. Can I change it from the configuration file?`
`00:45.48`	`abrotman`	`!dpms`
`00:45.48`	`dpkg`	`[dpms] know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section).`
`00:45.51`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, now when i try and install ndiswrapper i get this message: Warning, /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2 seems to contain # ? unconfigured ? kernel source!`
`00:45.55`	`abrotman`	`make it off instead of on`
`00:46.16`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, how do i configure my kernel source?`
`00:46.16`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: and you did m-a a-i ndiswrapper ?`
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`00:46.39`	`netcrash`	`does debian sarge has mysql 5 ?`
`00:46.43`	`netcrash`	`Hello`
`00:46.45`	`netcrash`	`:)`
`00:46.45`	`abrotman`	`only with backports`
`00:47.06`	`netcrash`	`like, what ?`
`00:47.11`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, i did both and both bring up the message`
`00:47.15`	`stoned`	`!backports`
`00:47.15`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>`
`00:47.16`	`abrotman`	`!tell netcrash about bpo`
`00:47.24`	`stoned`	`!bpo`
`00:47.24`	`dpkg`	`well, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get all backports when you upgrade. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions on how to only get specific backports. ask me about <backports>`
`00:47.27`	`stoned`	`m,`
`00:47.30`	`abrotman`	`wtf`
`00:47.31`	`stoned`	`argh! shoot me`
`00:47.33`	`stoned`	`wtf`
`00:47.34`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, it has a log file of where it went wrong`
`00:47.36`	`abrotman`	`!shoot stoned`
`00:47.41`	`stoned`	`well not literally man`
`00:47.42`	`stoned`	`damn`
`00:47.43`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: what is it ?`
`00:47.48`	`stoned`	`thanks for showing love`
`00:47.53`	`DaveyB`	`I will need to pastebin this abrotman`
`00:47.53`	`stoned`	`tool`
`00:48.08`	`abrotman`	`!paster`
`00:48.08`	`dpkg`	`paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.`
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`00:50.00`	`Werdna`	`hi all. I'm running bind on debian sid, and can't figure out how to make it listen on all interfaces (it's not listening on lo0). How can I make it do so?`
`00:50.18`	`magyar`	`is there a way to copy/paste from a krdp client?`
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`00:50.23`	`syork`	`Thanks.`
`00:50.33`	`Kyuss`	`Whats a core pointer, and how do I fix it?`
`00:50.34`	`abrotman`	`magyar: i think it depends on the rdp server`
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`00:52.12`	`peppo`	`hm. X upgrade: half of my fonts aren't displaying in GTK apps.`
`00:52.26`	`Kyuss`	`because I'm getting (WW) No core pointer registered after I installed the new video card`
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`00:52.48`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3878`
`00:53.41`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: i don't acgtually see an error`
`00:54.31`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: ah .. i see it`
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`00:58.07`	`tokil`	`how do you make a different internet browser (firefox) default?`
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`00:58.15`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, any ideas?`
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`00:58.30`	`abrotman`	`tokil: in what?`
`00:58.34`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: moment`
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`00:58.50`	`tokil`	`abrotman: like, so when i click on a link firefox comes up, not konqueror`
`00:59.07`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: afaik .. tha thsould owrk`
`00:59.15`	`abrotman`	`tokil: in .. KDE? kmail? thunderbird? what?`
`00:59.28`	`tokil`	`abrotman: oh i'm sorry, kde 2.8.6 kernel`
`00:59.40`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, Don't i need remove the old package first`
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`01:00.02`	`abrotman`	`tokil: try asking #debian-kde`
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`01:00.29`	`tokil`	`abrotman: ok`
`01:00.56`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, it keeps saying my source is unconfigured. What does it want me to do how do i configure it`
`01:01.12`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: if you look at what you pasted .. there's another error`
`01:01.27`	`DaveyB`	`What's the error?`
`01:01.55`	`abrotman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:01.55`	`abrotman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:02.09`	`woodgrain`	`I did an 'lsmod > modules_list_file' but it didn't list any xserver. (?)`
`01:02.36`	`DaveyB`	`Don't I need a certain version of GCC for compilation?`
`01:02.50`	`DaveyB`	`How do i get the newest version?`
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`01:04.32`	`tokil`	`How do you assign a PCIID to a device?`
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`01:04.37`	`woodgrain`	`why does lsmod give a shorter module list than modprobe -l ???`
`01:06.46`	`jelly-home`	`woodgrain: lsmod lists the currently loaded modules. modprobe -l lists all the available ones.`
`01:08.12`	`woodgrain`	`jelly-home, ah hah! my x failed and I'm hunting around to find where the xserver files are so I can look at them. how come lsmod won't find them?`
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`01:09.15`	`jelly-home`	`woodgrain: lsmod displays the kernel modules. X has little to do with the kernel.`
`01:09.35`	`woodgrain`	`jelly-home, AH-HAH. thank you soo much.`
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`01:10.12`	`jelly-home`	`woodgrain: the graphical environment is completely separated subsystem.`
`01:10.45`	`woodgrain`	`jelly-home, I'm trying to gain self-sufficiency here. I lack to tools to search around for x related files.`
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`01:11.10`	`jelly-home`	`woodgrain: you might want to check out /var/log/Xorg.0.log (X server's log file) for errors`
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`01:11.26`	`DaveyB`	`everytime i do a modprobe ndiswrapper i get this stupid message still FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.`
`01:11.35`	`woodgrain`	`jelly-home, If I want to find all the files related to x, so I can learn where they are ... how do I do it?`
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`01:12.14`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: you have to build it`
`01:12.25`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman (or anybody), what was that beginner's clue-in guide factoid called?`
`01:12.40`	`abrotman`	`!ndiswrapper one-liner`
`01:12.40`	`dpkg`	`somebody said ndiswrapper one-liner was apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper`
`01:12.42`	`abrotman`	`that one ?`
`01:13.07`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: or you mean the noscreensfound thing ?`
`01:13.09`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: no, the general get a clue about linux and debian utilities.`
`01:13.19`	`abrotman`	`!grounding`
`01:13.19`	`dpkg`	`Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client)`
`01:13.21`	`abrotman`	`that one ?`
`01:13.27`	`jelly-home`	`yeah, that one`
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`01:13.40`	`woodgrain`	`jelly-home, shute! I'm using xfree86 somehow. is this bad?`
`01:13.53`	`woodgrain`	`jelly-home, as opposed to Xorg`
`01:13.54`	`foo`	`How can I set it so all mails supported to go to root gets forwarded to my user@differentdomain.com ?`
`01:14.12`	`karsten`	`foo: /etc/aliases`
`01:14.13`	`jelly-home`	`woodgrain: no, it just means the log file is a called a bit differently. I think /var/log/XFree86.0.log`
`01:14.34`	`foo`	`karsten: ok, just modify that? Do I run anything after that? I thought I had to run something to update the database`
`01:14.39`	`woodgrain`	`jelly-home, isn't there a different flavor of X that's the newer version of xfree86?`
`01:14.45`	`pickcoder`	`foo: newaliases`
`01:14.53`	`foo`	`pickcoder: thanks`
`01:14.55`	`karsten`	`foo: Depends on your SMTP server. exim/exim4, no. Postfix, not sure. Sendmail, yes.`
`01:15.00`	`jelly-home`	`woodgrain: that would be "xorg".`
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`01:15.02`	`karsten`	`foo: what pickcoder said`
`01:15.07`	`abrotman`	`newaliases`
`01:15.13`	`woodgrain`	`jelly-home, do you use xorg?`
`01:15.26`	`jelly-home`	`woodgrain: yes, but I use unstable debian.`
`01:15.42`	`myren`	`how can i pass parameters to a driver/module thats built into my kernel`
`01:16.15`	`nevyn`	`at boot time`
`01:16.18`	`karsten`	`myren: um. compiled in directly, or compiled in as a module?`
`01:16.42`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, I can't build it as everytime I do apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper it crashes with unconfigure kernel source. Then dumps that error out. When I download and install using apt-get install ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-686 or apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils it install correctly but wont let do a modprobe`
`01:16.44`	`jelly-home`	`woodgrain: you might want to /msg dpkg about all the stuff mentioned above in dpkg's response to !grounding`
`01:16.45`	`karsten`	`myren: man bootparam. Or one of the module-loading routines. insmod or modprobe IIRC. Can also be coded into /etc/modules`
`01:17.09`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: get the kernel source then .. apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16`
`01:17.12`	`abrotman`	`erm`
`01:17.16`	`abrotman`	`linux-source-2.6.16`
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`01:19.13`	`DaveyB`	`linux-source-2.6.16 is already the newest version.`
`01:19.42`	`jelly-home`	`!tell woodgrain about grounding`
`01:19.42`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: cd /usr/src/`
`01:19.42`	`tokil`	`DaveyB: hey need help with ndiswrapper?`
`01:19.56`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: tar -jxf linux-source-2.6.16.tar.bz2`
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`01:20.19`	`tokil`	`DaveyB: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=382670&page=2`
`01:20.27`	`dvs`	`hullo`
`01:21.24`	`abrotman`	`oh .. that's a bad idea`
`01:21.31`	`DaveyB`	`abchirk__, it's doing something`
`01:21.36`	`abrotman`	`i know it is :)`
`01:22.08`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, it done now`
`01:22.22`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: what directory did it make ?`
`01:22.35`	`jelly-home`	`woodgrain: tips for searching: "locate word" finds all the installed files with "word" in the name/path. dpkg -S /some/file to find out what package does a file belong to. dpkg -L package to list all the files belonging to a package. also /msg dpkg search`
`01:23.11`	`pickcoder`	`that reminds me.. I never filed the lha bug`
`01:23.26`	`jelly-home`	`pickcoder: bad user!`
`01:23.33`	`pickcoder`	`I know..`
`01:23.42`	`jelly-home`	`no cookie for you`
`01:23.45`	`pickcoder`	`I got a full plate`
`01:23.47`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, there are 8 directorys within /usr/src`
`01:23.49`	`pickcoder`	`not of cookies though`
`01:24.06`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 kernel-kbuild-2.6-3 linux-headers-2.6.16-2 linux-source-2.6.16 modules kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2 linux-headers-2.6.16-2-686 linux-source-2.6.16.tar.bz2 ndiswrapper-source.tar.bz2`
`01:24.16`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: you need to point the "linux" directory at the new dir for 2.6.16 .. use ln .. man ln`
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`01:25.02`	`pickcoder`	`abrotman: what for? m-a should find linux-source-2.6.16`
`01:25.08`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, i wont know how to do that, this stuff is way beyond me`
`01:25.18`	`abrotman`	`pickcoder: ok`
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`01:25.23`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: pickcoder says to try it again!`
`01:25.28`	`pickcoder`	`:P`
`01:25.49`	`jelly-home`	`snicker`
`01:25.57`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, try waht again?`
`01:26.05`	`abrotman`	`m-a a-i ndiswrapper`
`01:26.05`	`pickcoder`	`DaveyB:if you're compiling a source tree using Makefile, then you may have to put a symlink for "linux"`
`01:27.00`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, Warning, /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2 seems to contain # ? unconfigured kernel source!`
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`01:27.14`	`DaveyB`	`how do a sumLink?`
`01:27.22`	`DaveyB`	`how do i do a symLink`
`01:27.47`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: cp /boot/config-2.6.16-2-686 /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.16/.config`
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`01:28.35`	`jelly-home`	`DaveyB: after ^^ cd /usr/src; ln -s linux-source-2.6.16 linux`
`01:28.43`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, done`
`01:28.51`	`abrotman`	`now do jelly-home's command@!`
`01:28.52`	`webfreak`	`is this a tag team or someting? :P`
`01:28.53`	`abrotman`	`then`
`01:28.59`	`webfreak`	`something`
`01:29.00`	`pickcoder`	`DaveyB: module-assistant "update" and then "prepare"`
`01:29.00`	`abrotman`	`m-a a-i ndiswrapper`
`01:29.01`	`brasko`	`has anyone ever had the problem of having empty screenshots?`
`01:29.06`	`DaveyB`	`done jelly-home as well`
`01:29.09`	`brasko`	`both gimp and xwd give me an empty screenshot`
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`01:29.14`	`pickcoder`	`or do it manually as everyone is explaining`
`01:29.29`	`jelly-home`	`DaveyB: now continue with abrotman's instructions. ;-)`
`01:29.36`	`zinx`	`brasko: what are you trying to take a screenshot of?`
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`01:29.47`	`abrotman`	`jelly-home: TAG . you're in!`
`01:29.52`	`DaveyB`	`now i get 3 errors`
`01:30.07`	`Skare`	`wtf`
`01:30.08`	`DaveyB`	`Warning, /usr/src/linux seems to contain unconfigured kernel source!1`
`01:30.17`	`jelly-home`	`meh`
`01:30.35`	`DaveyB`	`Warning, /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2 seems to contain # ? unconfiguredkernel source!`
`01:30.36`	`brasko`	`zinx: I'm using qtdesigner`
`01:30.54`	`DaveyB`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:30.54`	`DaveyB`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:30.54`	`DaveyB`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:31.00`	`brasko`	`zinx: and I want to take screenshots of the program that qtdesigner generates for my functional specifications`
`01:31.12`	`brasko`	`zinx: are you familiar with qtdesigner?`
`01:31.25`	`zinx`	`brasko: are you using XGL?`
`01:31.27`	`jelly-home`	`DaveyB: these are not errors, these are warnings. ;-)`
`01:31.35`	`DaveyB`	`jelly-home, warning are OK?`
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`01:31.57`	`brasko`	`zinx: I really wish I even knew what that was, should I look in my XF86 config file?`
`01:32.10`	`jelly-home`	`DaveyB: warnings mean something _might_ be wrong, but it might turn out all right too.`
`01:32.12`	`zinx`	`brasko: if you have a XF86Config file, you aren't using it`
`01:32.24`	`brasko`	`zinx: I have an xorg.conf file`
`01:32.47`	`zinx`	`brasko: if you're using debian, you probably aren't using it :)`
`01:32.52`	`DaveyB`	`jelly-home, when i do m-a a-i ndiswrapper it still errors out`
`01:33.06`	`zinx`	`brasko: can you take a screenshot of the gimp, or does it also appear blank?`
`01:33.17`	`brasko`	`zinx: I'm actually using ubuntu. But, I know there is a lot of info here.`
`01:33.44`	`jelly-home`	`DaveyB: ok then, try to do this first: cd /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.16; make oldconfig`
`01:34.08`	`brasko`	`zinx: If I use gimp to take a screenshot of itself, I get back a window, with the same size as the gimp window, but it's blank`
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`01:34.12`	`tokil`	`DaveyB: upgrade to 2.6.8`
`01:34.17`	`brasko`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:34.22`	`abrotman`	`haha .. he's on 2.6.16`
`01:34.24`	`brasko`	`that's in my xorg.conf file`
`01:34.25`	`zinx`	`brasko: that's really odd`
`01:34.25`	`jelly-home`	`DaveyB: it'll dump lots of output, but what matters is that it finishes and returns you to prompt`
`01:34.43`	`abrotman`	`and there's no errors`
`01:34.48`	`pickcoder`	`m-a does have an ncurse menu`
`01:34.49`	`brasko`	`zinx: yeah, I generally like linux, but things like this ....`
`01:34.51`	`pickcoder`	`<g>`
`01:35.02`	`zinx`	`brasko: i've never had that problem in debian, fwiw :)`
`01:35.02`	`DaveyB`	`jelly-home, back to the prompt`
`01:35.08`	`brasko`	`haha`
`01:35.19`	`jelly-home`	`DaveyB: now cd .. and try that m-a line again`
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`01:35.53`	`zinx`	`brasko: the only possibilities i see are 1) something's causing the screen to refresh just before the server's locked for the screenshot, or 2) ubuntu broke something`
`01:36.08`	`zinx`	`brasko: if it's 1, you'll notice a flash when you take the screenshot`
`01:36.23`	`jelly-home`	`zinx: argh`
`01:36.44`	`jelly-home`	`zinx: you said the u word ;-)`
`01:36.53`	`DaveyB`	`same errors on installation and still unable to do modprob ndiswrapper still retuning FATAL: Module diswrapper not found`
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`01:37.03`	`beware`	`hi`
`01:37.09`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: paste the build errors`
`01:37.21`	`zinx`	`beware: hi`
`01:37.24`	`Daveman`	`Hello again, abrotman :)`
`01:37.49`	`beware`	`i find mysql is disabled in pgp4, cgi version. i get an undefined function call error`
`01:38.03`	`abrotman`	`Daveman: don't you have anything better to do? :)`
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`01:38.08`	`Daveman`	`Yes.`
`01:38.08`	`beware`	`php4-mysql is installed, no idea if that has to do with it`
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`01:38.18`	`DaveyB`	`abrotman, same as they were before on that link`
`01:38.22`	`Daveman`	`I just stopped in for eight seconds :P`
`01:38.28`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`01:38.56`	`zinx`	`beware: any idea which function?`
`01:39.08`	`beware`	`mysql_connect()`
`01:39.20`	`brasko`	`zinx: I don't see a flash`
`01:39.33`	`Daveman`	`zap?`
`01:39.38`	`DaveyB`	`do you still have the link abrotman`
`01:39.41`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: at this point .. i wonder if it might jsut be eaiser to get the source from the website and try building it`
`01:39.49`	`brasko`	`zinx: I'm wondering if my video card, or x server is configured wrong`
`01:40.00`	`zinx`	`beware: are any other versions of php installed?`
`01:40.10`	`DaveyB`	`The thing is ndiswrapper works it just wont let me modprobe it`
`01:40.26`	`zinx`	`brasko: dunno`
`01:40.33`	`zinx`	`brasko: it's not the video card, it's the software, though`
`01:40.39`	`brasko`	`zinx: thanks`
`01:40.41`	`beware`	`what is the package name of the "normal" php4? no idea if i removed it or not`
`01:40.58`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: then it's not working`
`01:41.01`	`beware`	`i have php5 cgi (dotdeb version) as well, but that shouldnt interfere`
`01:41.09`	`beware`	`and, that one, too, seems to have mysql disabled`
`01:41.09`	`pickcoder`	`DaveyB: can you run m-a and then choose "update" and then "prepare"`
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`01:41.28`	`zinx`	`beware: if you have php5 installed, make sure you install php5-mysql :/`
`01:41.36`	`beware`	`this error happens in php4`
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`01:41.58`	`beware`	`can these *mysql packages work with the cgi version of php?`
`01:42.12`	`zinx`	`beware: i believe they should`
`01:42.15`	`zinx`	`beware: but i'm not certain`
`01:42.34`	`beware`	`i installed php5-mysql but that made no difference`
`01:42.43`	`Daveman`	`lawl.`
`01:42.58`	`beware`	`i get the idea the binaries are compiled without mysql support. for php4 this is said explicitly`
`01:43.41`	`zinx`	`beware: php5-mysql works here, with php5-cgi`
`01:44.00`	`beware`	`which version of php5? sid? dotdeb?`
`01:44.03`	`DaveyB`	`pickcoder, i can but it keeps warning me and still doesnt work after`
`01:44.15`	`zinx`	`beware: try doing it by hand - echo '<?php mysql_connect(); ?>' \| php4-cgi`
`01:44.19`	`zinx`	`beware: Sid`
`01:44.22`	`beware`	`ok`
`01:44.26`	`beware`	`i will be trying that`
`01:44.37`	`pickcoder`	`DaveyB: warning you of what?`
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`01:44.47`	`zinx`	`beware: want to rule out some script-specific thing`
`01:44.56`	`zinx`	`beware: it should give you access denied or nothing`
`01:45.22`	`beware`	`ok, php4 now gives the same error, php5 actually works now`
`01:45.31`	`zinx`	`beware: hmm`
`01:45.33`	`woodgrain`	`jelly-home, thanks for the tough love. I've got a working X, wm, and de now. thanks.`
`01:45.44`	`beware`	`php4-cgi is compiled with --without-mysql`
`01:45.44`	`zinx`	`beware: will the script run with php5? :D`
`01:45.52`	`zinx`	`beware: yeah, it's provided in a separate module`
`01:45.55`	`beware`	`yes, now it does. php5 is solved`
`01:45.58`	`abrotman`	`beware: php4 works on modules ..`
`01:46.00`	`zinx`	`beware: provided by php4-mysql`
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`01:46.03`	`DaveyB`	`/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source`
`01:46.07`	`beware`	`php4-mysql is installed, however`
`01:46.10`	`zinx`	`yeah`
`01:46.16`	`jelly-home`	`woodgrain: np`
`01:46.25`	`pickcoder`	`DaveyB: have you posted the entire error scroll somewhere?`
`01:46.36`	`DaveyB`	`/usr/src/linux-OLDVERSION.1159407814 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source`
`01:46.54`	`abrotman`	`we're not using that one`
`01:46.56`	`zinx`	`beware: twiddle with /etc/php4/php.ini, add a line that says "extension=mysql.so"`
`01:47.02`	`DaveyB`	`/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.16 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source`
`01:47.08`	`abrotman`	`zinx: that's the wrong file`
`01:47.10`	`emitai`	`guys, I enabled the X11Forwarding in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file but am still unable to tunnel X programs, maybe I need to restart X on the remote server? or reboot the whole thing?`
`01:47.17`	`zinx`	`beware: erh, /etc/php4/cgi/php.ini`
`01:47.21`	`abrotman`	`no`
`01:47.24`	`zinx`	`darn`
`01:47.26`	`abrotman`	`try again :)`
`01:47.34`	`zinx`	`abrotman: not planning on installing php4 myself :D`
`01:47.36`	`nehoksan`	`you`
`01:47.39`	`nehoksan`	`faggots`
`01:47.39`	`zinx`	`abrotman: you give it a go ;0`
`01:47.44`	`nehoksan`	`punkrockstars`
`01:47.45`	`abrotman`	`/etc/php4/php4-cgi/php.ini`
`01:47.49`	`abrotman`	`!tell nehoksan about gay`
`01:47.54`	`beware`	`hm. i could just abandon php4 as a whole now`
`01:48.05`	`DaveyB`	`pickcoder, what do you mean error scroll. From what it says on the screen bar the warnings it looks like it done. :/`
`01:48.06`	`beware`	`the question is if sites exist which break on php5`
`01:48.07`	`abrotman`	`nehoksan: you've been warned once already this evening`
`01:48.14`	`nehoksan`	`i know`
`01:48.18`	`nehoksan`	`i smoke to much weed`
`01:48.22`	`pickcoder`	`DaveyB: do you have gcc 4.0?`
`01:48.29`	`DaveyB`	`pickcoder, nope`
`01:48.33`	`DaveyB`	`how do i get that?`
`01:48.36`	`zinx`	`beware: they exist, but hopefully you have none :)`
`01:48.41`	`nehoksan`	`you can buy it Dave123`
`01:48.44`	`nehoksan`	`oh`
`01:48.44`	`pickcoder`	`hrm.. I wonder if the 4.0 dependancy was every fixed`
`01:48.58`	`pickcoder`	`apt-get install gcc-4.0`
`01:49.00`	`abrotman`	`nehoksan: please stop`
`01:49.25`	`DaveyB`	`E: Couldn't find package gcc-4.0`
`01:49.34`	`Xenguy`	`nehoksan: weed - a little warms, too much burns =)`
`01:49.36`	`abrotman`	`no gcc4 in sarge`
`01:49.39`	`pickcoder`	`DaveyB: what release?`
`01:49.41`	`pickcoder`	`oh`
`01:49.42`	`Wyzard`	`Has anyone here been using make-kpkg successfully lately?`
`01:49.43`	`DaveyB`	`sarge`
`01:49.48`	`abrotman`	`Xenguy: please don't encourage him`
`01:49.52`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: in .. sid ?`
`01:49.52`	`pickcoder`	`hm`
`01:49.55`	`Wyzard`	`yes`
`01:50.00`	`Xenguy`	`abrotman: I'm on it :-)`
`01:50.01`	`beware`	`solved. i had to uncomment that extension line`
`01:50.09`	`nehoksan`	`im masturbating!!`
`01:50.19`	`Xenguy`	`abrotman: I see what you mean :p`
`01:50.20`	`abrotman`	`!ops nehoksan is being odd .. and was asdfg earlier`
`01:50.20`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: nehoksan is being odd .. and was asdfg earlier`
`01:50.25`	`DaveyB`	`pickcoder, when i do gc-v i get gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)`
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`01:50.30`	`Wyzard`	`It's been failing for me... complains that there's no .config file when it supposed to be creating one`
`01:50.32`	`ChrisWhite`	`"odd".. not the word I'd use :P`
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`01:50.45`	`brasko`	`zinx: I just realized, I don't know how it didn't hit me before, but I'm using freenx`
`01:50.47`	`abrotman`	`Wyzard: i thought that was make menuconfig`
`01:50.47`	`manfred`	`hello friends`
`01:50.51`	`abrotman`	`!ops now asdfg is manfred`
`01:50.51`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: now asdfg is manfred`
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`01:51.10`	`Xenguy`	`.oO(you can run, but you can't hide)`
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`01:51.18`	`ottokarl`	`hi all`
`01:51.24`	`dvs`	`ottokarl: see ya`
`01:51.25`	`abrotman`	`ottokarl: STOP`
`01:51.31`	`ottokarl`	`ive got debian running`
`01:51.34`	`Wyzard`	`abrotman: "make-kpkg debian", which is supposed to create the debian/ subdirectory in a freshly-unpacked source tree, fails saying "no .config file found"`
`01:51.35`	`ottokarl`	`on my mac`
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`01:51.42`	`ottokarl`	`how can i start gnome?`
`01:51.43`	`Xenguy`	`.oO(nyet nyet soviet)`
`01:51.47`	`ottokarl`	`without x`
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`01:51.54`	`abrotman`	`!ops ottokarl is also asdfg`
`01:51.54`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: ottokarl is also asdfg`
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`01:52.09`	`Xenguy`	`ottokarl: die - die die die!`
`01:52.12`	`Xenguy`	`:P`
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`01:52.17`	`zinx`	`brasko: i don't have any experience with that, it could certainl cause the problem though.`
`01:52.20`	`manredoli`	`hi all`
`01:52.22`	`abrotman`	`!ops manredoli is also asdfg`
`01:52.23`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: manredoli is also asdfg`
`01:52.24`	`manredoli`	`i ve got debian running`
`01:52.25`	`zinx`	`insert a 'y' somewhere`
`01:52.27`	`manredoli`	`on my 386`
`01:52.32`	`Xenguy`	`arggghhhhhh`
`01:52.35`	`manredoli`	`how can i compile a kernel myself?`
`01:52.46`	`abrotman`	`and there's no staff either`
`01:52.46`	`nvz`	`man you switched from a mac to a 386 that fast?`
`01:52.46`	`manredoli`	`do you have any good tutorial?`
`01:52.49`	`zinx`	`manredoli: on your 386? with a lot of pain killers`
`01:52.55`	`abrotman`	`manredoli: it's not funny any more`
`01:52.57`	`nvz`	`and got debian running on it when it doesnt support 386?`
`01:52.59`	`dvs`	`abrotman: and that's a surprise?`
`01:53.09`	`abrotman`	`dvs: no ops .. no staff .. shocker .. i know`
`01:53.09`	`manredoli`	`you smoke to much weed`
`01:53.15`	`manredoli`	`what are you talking about?`
`01:53.19`	`manredoli`	`fsck?`
`01:53.24`	`DaveyB`	`shall we give up then guys\|?`
`01:53.43`	`Xenguy`	`DaveyB: /ignore relentlessly according to meritocracy`
`01:53.46`	`abrotman`	`DaveyB: go into the source dir . and do a make oldconfig`
`01:53.58`	`Xenguy`	`DaveyB: /me laughs at /me`
`01:54.12`	`manredoli`	`just one more joint`
`01:54.15`	`manredoli`	`then i will go to bed`
`01:54.19`	`manredoli`	`=)`
`01:54.34`	`Xenguy`	`manredoli: you sound like the freaks from 'Reefer Madness' :P`
`01:54.34`	`manredoli`	`anyone want to give me a hug?`
`01:54.36`	`abrotman`	`see people .. this is why drugs are bad`
`01:54.50`	`ChrisWhite`	`actually this is why irc is bad`
`01:54.55`	`manredoli`	`come one, give me a hug abrotman`
`01:55.02`	`manredoli`	`(:`
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`01:57.55`	`abrotman`	`PhilKC: i'd have to pasteyou the logs probably`
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`01:58.36`	`DaveyB`	`Xenguy, is that /usr/src/`
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`01:59.24`	`DaveyB`	`fuck it`
`01:59.26`	`DaveyB`	`I give up`
`01:59.29`	`ChrisWhite`	`abrotman: I have a log of the last 1000 lines`
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`01:59.32`	`DaveyB`	`Thanks for your help guys. :)`
`01:59.37`	`ChrisWhite`	`abrotman: in a ready to go url`
`01:59.42`	`abrotman`	`ChrisWhite: i have the last few hours`
`01:59.46`	`ChrisWhite`	`ok`
`01:59.56`	`abrotman`	`cooking!`
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`02:00.04`	`ChrisWhite`	`yes, I actually cook`
`02:00.08`	`abrotman`	`ChrisWhite: if PhilKC agrees .. msg it to him`
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`02:00.16`	`ChrisWhite`	`abrotman: ok`
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`02:01.23`	`abrotman`	`i probably have more logs .. it started about 7pm EST`
`02:01.23`	`_rick`	`Can you un rm a file?`
`02:01.29`	`abrotman`	`_rick: use your backup!`
`02:01.49`	`_rick`	`If you havea text file with a bunch of terminal commands can you turn that into a script that executes on click and/or at bootup?`
`02:01.57`	`netcrash`	`abrotman: thank you.`
`02:01.58`	`abrotman`	`yes`
`02:02.03`	`abrotman`	`netcrash: ?`
`02:02.18`	`netcrash`	`the message telling me about backports`
`02:02.22`	`abrotman`	`oh ok :)`
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`02:04.01`	`PhilKC`	`abrotman, I'll idle here (I'm actually asleep), and pass anything on... I've also passed your conserns on...`
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`02:04.20`	`abrotman`	`PhilKC: you type very well for a sleeping person :)`
`02:04.37`	`abrotman`	`PhilKC: thank you`
`02:05.53`	`_rick`	`If you havea text file with a bunch of terminal commands can you turn that into a script that executes on click and/or at bootup?`
`02:05.58`	`abrotman`	`yes`
`02:06.05`	`_rick`	`How?`
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`02:07.01`	`abrotman`	`_rick: chmod +x`
`02:07.44`	`_rick`	`abrotman: I'm not sure if that will do what i want it to do..`
`02:07.48`	`ChrisWhite`	`I was thinking of a solution that involved read and and eval using a while loop`
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`02:08.34`	`abrotman`	`!run at startup`
`02:08.34`	`dpkg`	`Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README`
`02:09.17`	`goetter`	`maybe an unkoshure question, but which charset (listed in iconv -l) would correctly display filenames of files created under windows xp`
`02:09.19`	`abrotman`	`!beer staff`
`02:09.22`	`goetter`	`(particular umlauts and special characterS)`
`02:09.42`	`abrotman`	`ChrisWhite: thanks for the log`
`02:09.53`	`ChrisWhite`	`np`
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`02:10.51`	`ChrisWhite`	`goetter: if they're standard latin characters it shouldn't matter`
`02:11.07`	`abrotman`	`goetter: unkosher?`
`02:11.25`	`goetter`	`ChrisWhite: well, I have a directory named (for example) Bjork, with an umlaut on the o, and it displays as Bj?rk`
`02:11.33`	`Xenguy`	`!beer`
`02:11.33`	`dpkg`	`i heard beer is liquid gold mate`
`02:11.34`	`ChrisWhite`	`goetter: try utf8`
`02:11.43`	`Xenguy`	`dpkg: you heard right mate`
`02:12.16`	`ChrisWhite`	`goetter: and if not, then your best bet is to goggle it for your particular langauge`
`02:12.26`	`_rick`	`how do you view a file time of a file?`
`02:12.27`	`ChrisWhite`	`goetter: [language] windows character encoding or something`
`02:12.28`	`_rick`	`type**`
`02:12.37`	`Xenguy`	`_rick: ls -l`
`02:12.41`	`ChrisWhite`	`file`
`02:12.46`	`ChrisWhite`	`(literally)`
`02:12.51`	`Xenguy`	`!enter`
`02:12.52`	`dpkg`	`The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying).`
`02:12.56`	`abrotman`	`_rick: file`
`02:13.06`	`_rick`	`-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2111 2004-09-10 08:00 skeleton`
`02:13.14`	`_rick`	`what kind of file is that?'`
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`02:14.06`	`ChrisWhite`	`a program or shell script`
`02:14.09`	`Xenguy`	`_rick: standard`
`02:14.12`	`ChrisWhite`	run `file skeleton` to find out
`02:14.21`	`Xenguy`	`_rick: /etc/skeleton IIRC`
`02:14.38`	`Xenguy`	`It's an ASCII file, no`
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`02:22.11`	`SlackRat`	`omg, just installed testing and kde cant be installed?`
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`02:24.20`	`abrotman`	`!install kde`
`02:24.20`	`dpkg`	`i heard install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less.`
`02:24.31`	`abrotman`	`SlackRat: start smaller`
`02:24.38`	`SlackRat`	`with?`
`02:24.48`	`abrotman`	`!install kde`
`02:24.49`	`dpkg`	`somebody said install kde was In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less.`
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`02:25.26`	`SlackRat`	`start with kdebase ?`
`02:25.32`	`abrotman`	`yes]`
`02:25.37`	`SlackRat`	`ah, ok`
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`02:26.30`	`tuv`	`what's a good app for the ipod in debian?`
`02:26.37`	`abrotman`	`gtkpod`
`02:26.54`	`tuv`	`how does it compare to amarok?`
`02:27.54`	`abrotman`	`nfc`
`02:27.59`	`abrotman`	`i've never used either`
`02:28.20`	`SlackRat`	`hmn, installing kdepim and stuff, is that a debian thing? start with kdebase etc?`
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`02:28.45`	`dn4`	`Does anyone remember a commercial that aired recently of a yeti hitting a dude off the screen while they were camping??`
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`02:29.27`	`abrotman`	`dn4: in the .. states ?`
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`02:29.33`	`Young`	`yo all`
`02:29.34`	`Young`	`how I can create a .tar.gz`
`02:29.56`	`Xenguy`	`Young: -z`
`02:30.04`	`Xenguy`	`Young: man tar`
`02:30.11`	`Young`	`tar -z folder ?`
`02:30.20`	`dn4`	`abrotman, yes`
`02:30.26`	`Wyzard`	`Is there anyone here who's used make-kpkg (in sid) successfully in the past week or two?`
`02:30.29`	`Xenguy`	`man tar ; search for '-z' option`
`02:30.29`	`abrotman`	`sony ?`
`02:31.01`	`dn4`	`abrotman, I just know the guy gets knocked off the screen by the yeti which is hilarious`
`02:31.10`	`abrotman`	`nope .. nfc`
`02:31.11`	`abrotman`	`ask google`
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`02:32.58`	`Xenguy`	`Young: tar -zcvf foo.txt foo.tar.gz`
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`02:33.26`	`Young`	`but I want to tar.gz a folder`
`02:33.36`	`Cooner750`	`Using a "0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 05)" in Debian and it isnt working. Is there a special driver required?`
`02:33.45`	`tuv`	`abrotman, how do you know it's good then?`
`02:33.47`	`abrotman`	`probabl ynot`
`02:33.58`	`abrotman`	`tuv: it seems the most popular :)`
`02:34.05`	`abrotman`	`tuv: and it's gtk!`
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`02:38.39`	`Wyzard`	`Cooner750: I have a similar one, an "Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW", and it's supported by the "snd-hda-intel" driver`
`02:39.20`	`SlackRat`	`i dont recall kde being such a bits and pieces install ....`
`02:41.16`	`abrotman`	`SlackRat: 1000 piece puzzle :)`
`02:41.33`	`SlackRat`	`is it fscking with testing at the moment?`
`02:41.33`	`Cooner750`	`Wyzard: Does Sarge include that module?`
`02:41.44`	`Wyzard`	`Cooner750: dunno, I run sid`
`02:41.47`	`SlackRat`	`or is this the usual and i always did cd installs, heh`
`02:42.00`	`Wyzard`	`Cooner750: Try loading it and see if it succeeds`
`02:42.16`	`Cooner750`	`Wyzard: Command?`
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`02:42.40`	`Wyzard`	`Cooner750: modprobe snd-hda-intel`
`02:42.41`	`etzerd`	`hello all`
`02:42.56`	`etzerd`	`?`
`02:43.11`	`etzerd`	`which video card Debian work best with?`
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`02:43.24`	`Kyuss`	`Not intel video cards`
`02:43.28`	`ian_`	`etzerd: nvidia has good nix support`
`02:43.39`	`karsten`	`!nvidia`
`02:43.39`	`dpkg`	`i heard nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists`
`02:43.50`	`ian_`	`kyuss: lol, they make video cards? I thought they just manufactured chipsets to display garbled shit on my screen`
`02:43.56`	`Wyzard`	`Kyuss: Intel video cards are supported just fine`
`02:44.01`	`etzerd`	`Everytime I install Devian the only way it works is when it select my video card as VESA`
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`02:44.08`	`karsten`	`etzerd: Actually, I'd suggest Intel, they're supporting Linux and it's getting better.`
`02:44.12`	`Kyuss`	`If you don't mind 640x480 resolution`
`02:44.16`	`karsten`	`etzerd: old-school radeon works pretty well.`
`02:44.22`	`karsten`	`Kyuss: Um. Talking smack?`
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`02:44.42`	`Kyuss`	`Smack? Me? Nawww... just talking from personal experience`
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`02:44.58`	`ian_`	`I had an intel on board video card, didn't support any widescreen, crashed when switching from gui to VT, and couldn't run at 24 bit`
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`02:45.07`	`abrotman`	`Kyuss: i have an intel card .. works perfectly fine`
`02:45.16`	`etzerd`	`what happened is my videocard is a nVidia 6200. Everytime I selected "nv" I have an xserver error.`
`02:45.17`	`karsten`	`ian_: Intel's addressing the issues with Linux-based graphics, AMD's aquisition of ATI (and close MSFT ties through xbox) by providing well-supported, open-spec, video.`
`02:45.19`	`ian_`	`I had to stop using it because it couldn't do the native 1280x768 res for my LCD`
`02:45.28`	`Wyzard`	`Kyuss: My laptop has an Intel 915 video chip and 1280x800 LCD and it works fine`
`02:45.32`	`Kyuss`	`I think my intel integrated just has a grudge against me`
`02:45.40`	`Wyzard`	`Kyuss: I'm using it right now`
`02:45.41`	`karsten`	`Kyuss: Old-school i810 may not be all that great. Newer is where you want to go.`
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`02:45.52`	`ian_`	`yeah, it was an i810, lol`
`02:45.52`	`Kyuss`	`810 is what I had in there`
`02:45.57`	`abrotman`	`00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)`
`02:46.00`	`abrotman`	`that's mine .. works great`
`02:46.11`	`ian_`	`is there a site that just lists hardware that is linux compatible?`
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`02:46.18`	`karsten`	`Kyuss: i810: unaccelerated, but you should be able to get 1024x768 or 1280.1024 or better`
`02:46.24`	`etzerd`	`Maybe I have to get myself another video card`
`02:46.27`	`abrotman`	`mine is accelerated`
`02:46.30`	`abrotman`	`your'e all crazy!`
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`02:46.38`	`ian_`	`theres always tons of tutorials and shit about any piece of hardware, but is there a site that just lists like "This laptop works perfectly with red hat and suse and requires a sound driver tweak for ubuntu"`
`02:47.03`	`etzerd`	`My problem is guys all other distros works fine with the video card`
`02:47.05`	`abrotman`	`!laptop`
`02:47.05`	`dpkg`	`All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/`
`02:47.20`	`ian_`	`that kind of thing? where you can just search for "Webcam" and get a list of ones that WILL WORK`
`02:47.21`	`ian_`	`?`
`02:47.48`	`etzerd`	`I love the Debain GUI, but unfortunately it doesn't work on my card.`
`02:48.01`	`Wyzard`	`"Debian GUI"?`
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`02:48.06`	`Xorm`	`GUI installer`
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`02:48.08`	`Xorm`	`I think.`
`02:48.10`	`Kyuss`	`!pr0n`
`02:48.10`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that pr0n is porn-get is at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu, or http://www.pornolize.com/cgi-bin/pornolize2/pornolize2.cgi?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debian.org, or see pr0n.sf.net`
`02:48.12`	`Wyzard`	`ah`
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`02:48.58`	`Kyuss`	`Who here has watched Actress Apocalypse?`
`02:48.59`	`ian_`	`yeah, I've seen those laptop sites before, but they don't do it for me, and the info is always out of date or incomplete`
`02:49.08`	`abrotman`	`ian_: every few years .. someone tries to do that .. and then it dies off because the erkenl and hardware change at such a rapid pace`
`02:49.22`	`abrotman`	`ian_: you buy the hardware .. send it to me . i'll tell you if it works :)`
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`02:49.42`	`ian_`	`looks like I'm another linux lover stuck with OS X for his desktop :-/`
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`02:50.44`	`Wyzard`	`ian_: You're "stuck" with OSX because you don't want to research a webcam?`
`02:51.01`	`SlackRat`	`heh`
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`02:51.25`	`ian_`	`wyzard: no, because gnome keeps taking away features and hiding stuff, and kde is buggy as heck, or at least kubuntu is`
`02:51.39`	`SlackRat`	`kubuntu is ian`
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`02:51.55`	`SlackRat`	`i just trashed an ubuntu today by enabling root, it was fun`
`02:52.05`	`ian_`	`kmail is now refusing to connect to my imaps server, kde always forgets my hotkeys while I'm trying to use them, kopete has issues with alerts blocking eachother`
`02:52.16`	`abrotman`	`KDE is broken .. news at 11`
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`02:52.21`	`Wyzard`	`Enabling root on Ubuntu shouldn't trash it`
`02:52.26`	`ian_`	`abrotman: lol, but thats not news :-/`
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`02:52.31`	`abrotman`	`that was the joke`
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`02:52.46`	`ian_`	`what I really want is something similar to os x, but where everything has a "Details >>" button that pulls out the kde config screen`
`02:52.51`	`SlackRat`	`it does if you use the root gui`
`02:52.56`	`SlackRat`	`among other things :P`
`02:53.01`	`abrotman`	`ian_: then freaking use OSX .. don't whine about linux`
`02:53.16`	`ian_`	`lol, thank you abrotman, I'll keep that in mind`
`02:53.27`	`abrotman`	`ian_: use what works for you .. or write the software to make linux work for you`
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`02:53.53`	`ian_`	`but I want amarok on OS X :(`
`02:54.20`	`SlackRat`	`install DSL`
`02:54.23`	`abrotman`	`use fink`
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`02:54.57`	`Xenguy`	`ian: fuck you :P`
`02:55.41`	`techrush`	`ian_ http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/On_OS_X`
`02:55.48`	`techrush`	`seems mostly straight forward`
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`02:57.15`	`Unryu`	`I need some quick assistance with madwifi and module-assistant`
`02:57.23`	`Unryu`	`essentially, its giving an error when trying to build`
`02:57.33`	`abrotman`	`!madwifi install`
`02:57.34`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, madwifi-install is to install madwifi on sarge: add "deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public sarge madwifi" to /etc/apt/sources.list, in etch or sid, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" (or linux-headers-$(uname -r) for etch or sid)" then: "m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.`
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`02:57.45`	`foo`	`How can I change the hostname? hostname new.fqdn.com ?`
`02:57.49`	`abrotman`	`!hostname`
`02:57.49`	`dpkg`	`use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname'`
`02:58.07`	`Xenguy`	`lagged... lagged... lagged`
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`02:58.44`	`Unryu`	`abrotman: I've been doing the m-a method, its not working`
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`02:59.16`	`Kyuss`	`HOORAY! HOORAY! I have it in 1280x960 resolution`
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`02:59.26`	`Kyuss`	`all it took was a new video card`
`02:59.27`	`Unryu`	`k, was weird`
`02:59.31`	`SlackRat`	`woot`
`02:59.38`	`Unryu`	`anyways, abrotman: I'm using the m-a method, and its throwing an error`
`02:59.46`	`abrotman`	`Unryu: such as ?`
`02:59.49`	`Unryu`	`I have one more thing to try real quick, then I might need further assistance`
`02:59.58`	`Unryu`	`abrotman: Its saying something within the logs about a redefinition`
`03:00.12`	`abrotman`	`Unryu: aren't you the same guy that needed nvidia help then got it .. then didn't .. then got it ?`
`03:00.22`	`Unryu`	`lol, yea`
`03:00.29`	`Unryu`	`this deb install is being quirky`
`03:00.41`	`CapnSkull`	`anyone know how to change GDM themes?`
`03:00.56`	`abrotman`	`there's a gdm configurator`
`03:01.00`	`SlackRat`	`apt-get install kde`
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`03:01.20`	`jelly-home`	`SlackRat: uh?`
`03:01.31`	`CapnSkull`	`ok thank you abrotman`
`03:01.31`	`SlackRat`	`to change GDM themes`
`03:01.38`	`abrotman`	`SlackRat: that's not funny`
`03:01.47`	`SlackRat`	`:P`
`03:01.51`	`jelly-home`	`SlackRat: are you positive about that?`
`03:01.59`	`SlackRat`	`jk`
`03:02.10`	`abrotman`	`CapnSkull: on my box 'gdmsetup'`
`03:02.16`	`Unryu`	`abrothman: Ok, my idea wasnt working. Can you redo that set of instructions, see if there is something I am missing?`
`03:02.19`	`SlackRat`	`i mean it would change themes.....`
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`03:02.41`	`abrotman`	`!tell Unryu about madwifi install`
`03:02.55`	`kingsley`	`What's a good way to set up and use a remote printer?`
`03:03.00`	`abrotman`	`cups ?`
`03:03.06`	`abrotman`	`!tell Unryu about madwifi install`
`03:03.17`	`abrotman`	`it's a bit too long ...`
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`03:03.34`	`jelly-home`	`SlackRat: this is a support channel and users with all sorts of experience look here for help, it's not really advisable to dump stuff like that in front of them.`
`03:03.53`	`SlackRat`	`ah, ack....youre right, sorry`
`03:04.00`	`Unryu`	`abrotman: Ok, i've already done everything they have there, as well as telling m-a to install`
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`03:04.05`	`SlackRat`	`wasn't thinking`
`03:04.08`	`Unryu`	`abrotman: When its building, it gives an error`
`03:04.10`	`abrotman`	`SlackRat: remember ... not everyone knows better .. they might just do it :)`
`03:04.17`	`SlackRat`	`true`
`03:04.43`	`CapnSkull`	`thanks again . it worked nicely.`
`03:04.55`	`abrotman`	`enjoy`
`03:04.59`	`Unryu`	`abrotman: /usr/src/modules/madwifi/ath/../include/compat.h:46:1: error: this is the location of the previous definition`
`03:05.13`	`abrotman`	`Unryu: checked the BTS ?`
`03:05.20`	`Unryu`	`abrotman: BTS?`
`03:05.25`	`SlackRat`	`brb, hopefully from kde......`
`03:05.35`	`abrotman`	`!bts`
`03:05.36`	`dpkg`	`from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges`
`03:05.42`	`Kyuss`	`Ok, so how do I queue up a bunch of files to be sent to me, from me, via email?`
`03:05.52`	`Unryu`	`gotcha`
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`03:06.31`	`jelly-home`	`SlackRat: also, installing kde might not change the display manager.`
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`03:08.33`	`Kyuss`	`like an email client that will automatically wrap files in an email and send them off?`
`03:09.01`	`nevyn`	`hrm`
`03:09.09`	`khermans`	`mdadm --create will fail if it detects an existing partition using softraid -- how can i overwrite whatever softraid structure is being detected in the partition with /dev/zero or something? how many bytes does that data consume?`
`03:09.34`	`nevyn`	`Kyuss: you can script it with sendmail and cron ..`
`03:09.41`	`nevyn`	`Kyuss: what are you trying to achieve?`
`03:09.54`	`Kyuss`	`I just want to send an album to my gmail account`
`03:10.12`	`nevyn`	`hrm`
`03:10.25`	`nevyn`	`just script it with a bash for loop or something`
`03:10.28`	`khermans`	`Kyuss, echo "body" \| mutt -s "my subject" -a myfile.jpg foo@foo.com`
`03:10.51`	`Kyuss`	`and it will send it even if I don't have an email client configured?`
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`03:11.10`	`khermans`	`Kyuss, just install mutt and make sure either sendmail/postfix is running locally`
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`03:11.57`	`khermans`	`Kyuss, you can also set your sender/reply address if ya want`
`03:12.03`	`khermans`	`see ~/.muttrc`
`03:12.38`	`khermans`	`any software raid pros?`
`03:12.46`	`foo`	`Do I need to set a FQDN with hostname sub.domain.com ? Or just hostname sub .. and make it a fqdn in /etc/hosts ?`
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`03:15.00`	`Kyuss`	`How do I do a network file path, in windows it is \\hostname or \\ipaddress`
`03:15.16`	`khermans`	`Kyuss, smb://mybox`
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`03:15.51`	`Kyuss`	`um, I was trying to grab some mp3s off of a windows box`
`03:15.56`	`khermans`	`yea`
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`03:17.50`	`morphex`	`hi, how can i find a package based on file? i need to get the package which has the "lex" program..`
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`03:19.26`	`stew`	`morphex: /msg dpkg apt-file`
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`03:20.43`	`khermans`	morner, dpkg-query -S `which lex`
`03:20.55`	`kyuss`	`Ok, smb:\\192.168.1.x you say?`
`03:20.55`	`khermans`	`morphex, !`
`03:20.56`	`khermans`	`kyuss, no smb://`
`03:21.12`	`khermans`	`is this gnome?`
`03:21.13`	`morphex`	`khermans, stew: thx :)`
`03:21.31`	`kyuss`	`smb is not a registered protocol`
`03:22.02`	`khermans`	`gnome or kde ?`
`03:22.03`	`khermans`	`what?`
`03:22.20`	`kyuss`	`!samba`
`03:22.21`	`dpkg`	`well, samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html)`
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`03:22.40`	`etzerd`	`hello all`
`03:23.05`	`etzerd`	`I have problem setting up my Xserver`
`03:23.16`	`kyuss`	`won't conquerer do that though?`
`03:23.18`	`etzerd`	`my nVidia video card is killing me`
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`03:23.40`	`kyuss`	`*konquerer`
`03:23.42`	`kyuss`	`IT wil`
`03:24.09`	`etzerd`	`when Debian detect it as VESA it's work fine but the only thing is the resolution is too low only 800X600`
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`03:24.29`	`etzerd`	`when I edit the xorg.conf to change the video card to "nv" boom, xserver doesn't work`
`03:24.32`	`etzerd`	`any help`
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`03:25.00`	`kyuss`	`Ok, so... mutt`
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`03:25.38`	`vook`	`How would I go about changing the sudo timeout value? I'd prefer to have sudo timeout for a much longer period of time.`
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`03:26.15`	`etzerd`	`why is that the Xserver is so difficult to set up in Debian?`
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`03:26.30`	`khermans`	`etzerd, Xorg -configure`
`03:26.31`	`kyuss`	`Alright, so how did you guys say about scripting that?`
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`03:27.01`	`posix4e`	`Ok guys just updated debian and now it can't find psaux, any ideas?`
`03:27.01`	`etzerd`	`I did that it doesn't work with my nVidia video card`
`03:27.05`	`khermans`	`vook, /etc/sudoers`
`03:27.08`	`posix4e`	`psaux no such device`
`03:27.27`	`vook`	`nevermind. must I always come here for answers to my questions, when I could easily just google them. Ah, ok. Thanks khermans!`
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`03:28.06`	`posix4e`	`It says i have an imps/2 generic wheel on isa0060/serio1`
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`03:30.09`	`kyuss`	`How do I configure multiple recipients using mutt command line?`
`03:33.52`	`ChrisWhite`	`posix4e: there appears to be one in /dev/.static/dev on my system (Etch)`
`03:34.10`	`ChrisWhite`	`posix4e: though generally you can get away with /dev/input/mice`
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`03:36.13`	`foo`	`Do I need to set a FQDN with hostname sub.domain.com ? Or just hostname sub .. and make it a fqdn in /etc/hosts ?`
`03:37.55`	`tengulre11`	`Formula 1 in ShangHai. anybody will to go there in october?`
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`03:39.43`	`edmundo_v`	`can someone explain what whould be the purpose of a line 127.0.1.1 in adition of 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts?`
`03:39.54`	`Fare`	`is there a way to speed up those redundant ldconfig that take 80% of the setup time when upgrading packages?`
`03:40.26`	`Fare`	`edmundo: cheap way of blocking some sites by redirecting them locally. What's the name of the target host?`
`03:40.46`	`Fare`	`also cheap way of doing virtual hosting`
`03:41.05`	`edmundo_v`	`Fare, no I saw that in Ubuntu and in the Debian docs`
`03:41.10`	`edmundo_v`	`127.0.0.1 localhost`
`03:41.20`	`edmundo_v`	`127.0.1.1 myhost`
`03:41.34`	`Fare`	`dunno. Maybe just an example`
`03:41.39`	`edmundo_v`	`ahh, the first line have the "myhost" too`
`03:41.41`	`Fare`	`anyway 127.anything is the localhost`
`03:41.52`	`edmundo_v`	`it says something about gnome`
`03:42.06`	`edmundo_v`	`http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html`
`03:42.10`	`pithen`	`I just installed Debian and did a dist-upgrade to sid. Trying to apt-get openoffice.org I get several lines of "Depends: openoffice.org-blah (= 2.0.4~rc1-1) but it is not going to be installed", followed by E: Broken package. whats going on?`
`03:42.12`	`edmundo_v`	`look at 10.4`
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`03:42.45`	`SpaceFrog`	`I`
`03:42.59`	`SpaceFrog`	`I'm trying to apt-get install php-pear, but I'm getting this error:`
`03:43.00`	`SpaceFrog`	`php-pear: Depends: php5-common (>= 5.1.6-1~bpo.1) but 5.1.4-0.0bpo1 is to be installed`
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`03:46.02`	`pithen`	`anybody?`
`03:49.36`	`Rusty1`	`SpaceFrog: , pithen try:apt-get -s -t unstable install (package)`
`03:50.10`	`SpaceFrog`	`thanks Rustyl, i'll try it`
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`03:51.11`	`kyuss`	`Is there a way to check to see if sendmail is actually... sending mail`
`03:51.23`	`pithen`	`Rusty1, I'm getting the same output with that`
`03:53.18`	`Rusty1`	`pithen: try apt-get update first`
`03:53.50`	`aGee`	`!tar.bz2`
`03:53.50`	`dpkg`	`tar --bzip2 -xvf file.tar.bz2`
`03:55.09`	`pithen`	`Rusty1, I actually had tried that just before coming into the channel. i had just done the dist-upgrade last night, could i have done it wrong somehow?`
`03:56.03`	`kyuss`	`Alright, how do I get/get to the gnome package manager?`
`03:56.11`	`kyuss`	`!gnome`
`03:56.11`	`dpkg`	`from memory, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome`
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`03:57.33`	`pithen`	`kyuss, there's synaptic and gnome-apt, just do apt-get install {package}`
`03:58.14`	`kyuss`	`Thank you very much`
`03:58.35`	`pithen`	`n/p`
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`03:59.00`	`kyuss`	`gnome apt just gave me a fatal error`
`03:59.17`	`Rusty1`	`pithen: hmm, check your /etc/apt/sources.list - doesinclude unsstable ?`
`04:00.03`	`kyuss`	`durr, make sure synatic doesn't have it locked`
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`04:00.12`	`pithen`	`Rusty1, "deb ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/debian/ unstable main contrib", as well as several others`
`04:00.32`	`kyuss`	`Ok , I need KDE so I can do my homework`
`04:00.42`	`kyuss`	`gnome-apt wasn't what I was thinking`
`04:01.02`	`Rusty1`	`pithen: k, what dependency is it complaining about?`
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`04:01.40`	`SpaceFrog`	`is it wise to download things like Apache2 or PHP from the Unstable repositories?`
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`04:02.44`	`pithen`	`Rusty1, http://paste.uni.cc/10434`
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`04:04.45`	`Rusty1`	`pithen: post output of: apt-cache policy openoffice.org`
`04:04.54`	`kyuss`	`Ok, I need kdevelop IDE`
`04:05.02`	`kyuss`	`or... well... any C++ IDE`
`04:05.40`	`kyuss`	`I think instead of hello world... I'm going to write a program to just wrap all the files in a directory seperately and email all of them`
`04:05.47`	`pithen`	`Rusty1, http://paste.uni.cc/10435`
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`04:06.29`	`pithen`	`kyuss, why not Eclipse, or Anjuta?`
`04:06.37`	`kyuss`	`Mmmm, Eclipse`
`04:06.45`	`kyuss`	`what is Anjuta`
`04:06.53`	`kyuss`	`I thought Eclipse was only for Java`
`04:07.00`	`kyuss`	`!eclipse`
`04:07.01`	`dpkg`	`[eclipse] the end of the world, or an awesome extensible IDE written in Java. http://www.eclipse.org/, or get it from unstable`
`04:07.10`	`kyuss`	`oh... written in java`
`04:07.19`	`vik`	`is there any useful software that indexes files (and possibly their contents) on removable media (CDs and DVDs) ?`
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`04:07.41`	`kyuss`	`ISOBuster, might not be what you're looking for`
`04:07.48`	`pithen`	`its an IDE for gnome. Havn't used it in a while, but i think it was alright...`
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`04:08.28`	`pithen`	`!beagle`
`04:08.28`	`dpkg`	`well, beagle is http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/DebianInstall`
`04:08.43`	`Rusty1`	`pithen: apt-get -t unstable install openoffice.org, your first paste didn't have the -t unstable`
`04:09.17`	`SpaceFrog`	`oh god, I'm panicking...`
`04:09.27`	`SpaceFrog`	`Unstable repositories aren't unsafe are they?`
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`04:10.04`	`pithen`	`Rusty1, giving me the same output :(`
`04:10.10`	`kyuss`	`whats the package for eclipse?`
`04:10.18`	`vik`	`pithen: can beagle handle removable media?`
`04:10.30`	`Dewi`	`SpaceFrog: They have relatively little quality control compared to the others. Why?`
`04:11.14`	`SpaceFrog`	`I was just trying to install a version of pear that it would accept, and now it's installing heaps of apache modules from the unstable repos`
`04:11.15`	`Dewi`	`SpaceFrog: if you are using a backports PHP package, why not use their PHP-pear package as well?`
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`04:11.29`	`SpaceFrog`	`Dewi: Because it wouldn't install`
`04:11.35`	`SpaceFrog`	`gave that version issue`
`04:11.46`	`Dewi`	`which php-pear was that?`
`04:11.50`	`SpaceFrog`	`I hope this won't be too unstable for deployment`
`04:12.04`	`pithen`	`vik, hmm, sorry. I just searched google on it and it appears that it doesn't.. the name just stuck in my head as a possibility`
`04:12.23`	`Dewi`	`SpaceFrog: why go straight from backports to unstable?`
`04:12.25`	`Young`	`how i can chmod +x on all file in a folder ?`
`04:12.31`	`Dewi`	`SpaceFrog: why not testing, or another source of backports?`
`04:12.42`	`Dewi`	`anyway`
`04:12.48`	`Dewi`	`they do have a PHP pear package at backports`
`04:12.51`	`Dewi`	`http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/p/php5/php-pear_5.1.4-0.1~bpo2_all.deb`
`04:12.55`	`Dewi`	`That's what it wanted`
`04:12.58`	`Dewi`	`Isn't it?`
`04:13.02`	`vik`	`pithen: I'm kinda hoping it eventually will; would be a perfect solution...`
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`04:13.49`	`kyuss`	`Oh, I see... actually got to go download the tarballs... silly synaptic spoiled me`
`04:13.58`	`Young`	`how i can chmod +x on all file in a folder ?`
`04:14.04`	`Rusty1`	`pithen: what happens if you try: apt-get -t unstable install openoffice.org-calc, say`
`04:14.20`	`Dewi`	`kyuss: isn't eclipse packaged?`
`04:14.23`	`dr_worm`	`just out of curiousity, if you had to choose, would it be the anticipatory, cfq, noop, or deadline process scheduler?`
`04:14.30`	`kyuss`	`I didn't see it`
`04:14.43`	`Dewi`	`kyuss: it's called "eclipse" :P`
`04:14.55`	`pithen`	`Rusty1, it says the same as before, except it only lists *-calc and not all the other packages and being uninstallable`
`04:15.01`	`Dewi`	`kyuss: I don't know if it's in sarge though`
`04:15.31`	`Dewi`	`kyuss: yeah, seems to only be in etch`
`04:15.38`	`dr_worm`	`kyuss, what are you looking for?`
`04:15.43`	`kyuss`	`etch?`
`04:15.55`	`pithen`	`i'm starting to miss emerge :(`
`04:15.59`	`Dewi`	`kyuss: debian's testing release.`
`04:16.16`	`dr_worm`	`etch is pretty sweet, by the way ;)`
`04:16.41`	`Rusty1`	`kyuss: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/eclipse-platform`
`04:17.12`	`Rusty1`	`pithen: got java?`
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`04:18.18`	`pithen`	`Rusty1, java --version gives me 1.4.2, gij 4.1.2 (not sure what gij is)`
`04:18.39`	`Dewi`	`pithen: gij is a gnu java vm`
`04:18.46`	`Dewi`	`I think`
`04:18.47`	`pithen`	`ahh`
`04:19.06`	`Dewi`	`sun doesn't allow distribution of their VM with debian`
`04:19.19`	`Dewi`	`but the gnu one is coming along quite far now`
`04:19.21`	`Rusty1`	`pithen: shouldn't matter, really`
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`04:19.56`	`pithen`	`any better or worse than blackdown or ibm?`
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`04:20.41`	`Nexus`	`Does debian have a way to do reverse dependency checking? Like seeing what installed package requires apache-common?`
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`04:21.13`	`Dewi`	`Nexus: aptitude shows them`
`04:21.49`	`predder`	`Nexus, if you minus it in aptitude it'll flag any programs which will have dependancy problems as a result`
`04:21.56`	`Dewi`	`at least I thought it did`
`04:22.01`	`predder`	`note: you dont have to physically remove it`
`04:22.02`	`Dewi`	`yeah, you can always do that`
`04:22.08`	`Nexus`	`Sweet. I've never actually used aptitude. I can't believe I never have.`
`04:22.09`	`Dewi`	`and then "undo" with ctrl-U`
`04:22.16`	`aGee`	`!kdm`
`04:22.16`	`dpkg`	`[kdm] the KDE Display Manager - an even swankier version of xdm, for the K Desktop user`
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`04:23.02`	`dr_worm`	`swanky...`
`04:23.03`	`dr_worm`	`nice`
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`04:24.23`	`brothers`	`have you noticed that when a gtk button is disabled and your mouse is over it, when it becomes enabled, you cannot click on it until moving the mouse off the button and back?`
`04:24.54`	`kyuss`	`Ok, so I got the .deb file... now how do I instll it?`
`04:25.06`	Kevin`	`dpkg -i`
`04:25.48`	`SlackRat`	`hmn, no sound on kde after a testing install`
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`04:25.51`	`SlackRat`	`ran alsaconf`
`04:25.58`	`SlackRat`	`mucked with kde control`
`04:26.05`	`Nexus`	`Very cool. Thank you both.`
`04:26.14`	`kyuss`	`I know I installed KDevelop... I just can't find the danged thing`
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`04:28.09`	`karsten`	Kevin`: 3.
`04:28.17`	`karsten`	Kevin`: xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm
`04:28.37`	`karsten`	Kevin`: ... and possibly more.
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`04:29.58`	`bab`	`what is the shell scripting command called when you are excuting a program and you know the program is going to ask you a yes or no question and you want to automatically feed it is Y when it asks`
`04:30.00`	`kyuss`	`arg!`
`04:30.36`	`kyuss`	`How do I just download the entire hierarchy of dependants`
`04:30.48`	`kyuss`	`when it isn't in synaptic...`
`04:31.13`	`bab`	`kyuss, you cant if it is not in apt-get as far as I know`
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`04:32.14`	`kyuss`	`apt-get`
`04:32.25`	`kyuss`	`blah, was trying to type that in bash`
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`04:34.14`	`SlackRat`	`alsaconf, kmix, gnome mixer alsamixer...nothing....`
`04:34.28`	`SlackRat`	`this was so close to a perfect install too :(`
`04:34.52`	`kyuss`	`Well, I know I did install the kdevelop packages, just can't find the app`
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`04:37.14`	`nevyn`	`kyuss: it's called kdevelop`
`04:37.15`	`wols`	`kyuss: dpkg -L`
`04:37.40`	`bab`	`so does anyone know what the command is when you are scripting to make it so you can answer questions in your script???`
`04:37.50`	`cydork`	`just woke up bcoz of hunger and now i cant go back to sleep :(`
`04:38.21`	`Rhizome`	`bab: line or something I think`
`04:38.36`	`nevyn`	`bab: read?`
`04:39.35`	`bab`	`nope read is kind of the opposte of what I need but close`
`04:39.51`	`nevyn`	`bab: read.`
`04:40.06`	`nevyn`	`bab: echo "what is your name? " && read name`
`04:40.24`	`nevyn`	`bab: it's really nasty thbo`
`04:40.39`	Kevin`	`perhaps he just wants echo`
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`04:41.06`	`bab`	`insted of the shell script asking you for input you put the input in the shell script which another program will be asking, kind of like writing a script that runs apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and then automatically answers Y for you`
`04:41.06`	`amphi`	`bab: expect?`
`04:41.36`	`SlackRat`	`bleh, sound will have to wait till tomorrow, all the google results are ancient`
`04:41.40`	`bab`	`you get what I am trying to do now`
`04:42.39`	`Rhizome`	`bab: like ./script.sh whats 1+1?`
`04:42.45`	`amphi`	`bab: 'Expect is a program that "talks" to other interactive programs'`
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`04:43.11`	`SlackRat`	`no esd is beeping like mad and waking the neighbors`
`04:43.14`	`nevyn`	`bab: expect is what you want then`
`04:43.18`	`bab`	`yes I want to write ""a program that "talks" to other interactive programs'`
`04:43.40`	`nevyn`	`you can fake it with yes and echo for really simple cases.. but expect is designed for this`
`04:44.31`	`Rhizome`	`neat, expect seems awesome ;)`
`04:44.50`	`SlackRat`	`this is messed up :S`
`04:45.31`	`bab`	`nevyn, expect looks like what I want, i thought you could do that with built in shell functions?`
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`04:45.56`	`nevyn`	`bab: see my last comment`
`04:46.01`	`nevyn`	`for simple cases you can`
`04:46.25`	`SlackRat`	`gaim goes ape too with the sounds, wtf ?`
`04:47.06`	`bab`	`nevyn, i will have to test if echo will work other wise I will be installing expect`
`04:48.35`	`nevyn`	`bab: expect can do crazy automation stuff..`
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`04:49.59`	`bab`	`nevyn, that is what I am looking for`
`04:50.09`	`bab`	`nevyn, many it is on be default on solaris?`
`04:50.25`	`nevyn`	`?`
`04:51.35`	`Kage`	`hai2u nvz`
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`04:58.26`	`amphi`	`!:E`
`04:58.26`	`dpkg`	`Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!`
`04:58.46`	Kevin`	`I wonder what that says (klingon I assume)`
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`04:59.38`	`amphi`	`"in his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming"`
`04:59.52`	`cydork`	`so is it klingon??`
`04:59.55`	`amphi`	`nope`
`05:00.12`	`cydork`	`:P`
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`05:03.27`	`wols`	`cydork: ready more Lovecraft`
`05:03.31`	`amphi`	`cydork: see http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/thecallofcthulhu.htm`
`05:03.44`	`amphi`	`heh`
`05:04.54`	`cydork`	`heh`
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`05:12.43`	`Rhizome`	`lol, expect rocks http://expect.nist.gov/example/beer.exp`
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`05:19.26`	`LunarCrisis`	`where can I find alternate mirrors for my sources.list?`
`05:19.41`	`jenni`	`if someone answered my question i apologize, i didn't see your answer, because this think was locked ,i would like to know how to play wormux online`
`05:19.42`	`dondelelcaro`	`!mirrors`
`05:19.43`	`dpkg`	`[debian mirrors] use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy>`
`05:20.00`	`LunarCrisis`	`thanks dondelelcaro =)`
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`05:23.08`	`n3kl`	`anyone have any idea why my xorg.conf resets itself?`
`05:23.17`	`Xorm`	`n3kl you're running xorg?`
`05:23.18`	`pstickne`	`gremlins?`
`05:23.20`	`n3kl`	`Like my mouse line gets commented out and I start x and nothing happens`
`05:23.23`	`n3kl`	`Xorm: yes`
`05:23.37`	`Xorm`	`In place of XF86.`
`05:23.41`	`n3kl`	`yes`
`05:23.43`	`n3kl`	`etch`
`05:23.46`	`Xorm`	`arright`
`05:24.00`	`Xorm`	`ls -l /etc/??/xorg.conf`
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`05:24.05`	`Xorm`	`see if it was actually modified`
`05:24.13`	`Xorm`	`?`
`05:24.52`	`n3kl`	`Xorm: well, it was just modified`
`05:25.02`	`n3kl`	`so I know that I have to reset it when I have to startx again`
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`05:25.14`	`Xorm`	`huh.`
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`05:25.21`	`n3kl`	`thats what I am thinking`
`05:25.35`	`n3kl`	`its almost as though my xorg.conf is overwritten with one that is cached`
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`05:28.28`	`joeyjones`	`1782029`
`05:28.31`	`joeyjones`	`oops...`
`05:28.43`	Kevin`	`what area code?`
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`05:29.05`	`joeyjones`	`anyone around that speaks french?`
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`05:31.36`	`n3kl`	`doood, anyone else have any ideas?`
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`05:33.48`	`solca`	`n3kl: what is your problem?`
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`05:46.48`	`n3kl`	`solca: when I start X, I have to reconfigure my file to support my usb mouse`
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`05:46.58`	`n3kl`	`its almost as though my xorg.conf is overwritten with one that is cached`
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`05:47.06`	`keram`	`how do i get a plugin for firefox so i can watch embedded wmv videos?`
`05:47.26`	`solca`	`n3kl: ?`
`05:47.39`	`solca`	`keram: apt-get install mozilla-mplayer`
`05:48.31`	`keram`	`its not found`
`05:48.33`	`keram`	`what repo is it in?`
`05:48.45`	`craigevil`	`marillat`
`05:49.09`	`karsten`	`!marillat`
`05:49.09`	`dpkg`	`somebody said marillat was a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location.`
`05:49.13`	`karsten`	`keram: ... %% fyi`
`05:49.21`	`solca`	`deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main`
`05:49.22`	`karsten`	`keram: Erm, ^^ FYI.`
`05:49.51`	`keram`	`i know :P`
`05:49.59`	`keram`	`thanks anyways`
`05:50.03`	`keram`	`u gusy are smokin good`
`05:50.56`	`solca`	`keram: wtf? whatever.`
`05:51.16`	`keram`	`errr`
`05:51.21`	`keram`	`theres a problem`
`05:51.31`	`keram`	`deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main`
`05:51.37`	`keram`	`i have that in sources.list`
`05:51.51`	`keram`	`after i added it i did 'sudo aptitude update'`
`05:52.00`	`solca`	`apt-get update`
`05:52.02`	`keram`	`then i did 'aptitude search mozilla-mplayer' and i got nothing`
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`05:53.24`	`LunarCrisis`	`are there any good and simple screenshot programs? I'm looking for something I can bind to my print screen key.`
`05:53.40`	`craigevil`	`in Gnome or KDE?`
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`05:54.00`	`LunarCrisis`	`fluxbox`
`05:54.10`	`craigevil`	`Ksnapshot come with kde`
`05:54.23`	`LunarCrisis`	`I have both gnome and kde installed though`
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`05:55.41`	`LunarCrisis`	`ksnapshot it nice, thanks craigevil =)`
`05:55.45`	`LunarCrisis`	`err, is*`
`05:55.51`	`craigevil`	`np works great for me`
`05:56.43`	`solca`	`keram: you're right, that package was pulled out from marillat, is in debian's contrib`
`05:57.11`	`keram`	`how do ig et it from there?`
`05:57.34`	`solca`	`deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib`
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`05:57.42`	`solca`	`then update`
`05:57.57`	`keram`	`okay thanks :]`
`05:58.02`	`solca`	`np`
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`06:02.31`	`AzzIzzA`	`is there an easy safe way of upgrading samba in deb3.0 to version 3? are the packages in stable only for use on a current system?`
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`06:03.29`	`predder`	`what do you mean AzzIzzA by "current system". You mean your machine?`
`06:04.10`	`AzzIzzA`	`well this machine is almost stock 3.0 probably never had a package upgraded in its life`
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`06:04.19`	`predder`	`do an apt-get install of it AzzIzzA and see what it wants to upgrade`
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`06:04.25`	`AzzIzzA`	`will the packages in stable install or will they want to upgrade the whole box`
`06:04.26`	`predder`	`you can hit no if you dont want to continue`
`06:04.41`	`predder`	`it wont do the whole box unless you do a dist-upgrade`
`06:04.51`	`predder`	`just do apt-get install <samba package name>`
`06:05.16`	`AzzIzzA`	`so i need to change my apt.sources file? atm if i do an install it tries to put on a newer version of samba2`
`06:05.54`	`predder`	`oh wait, does your /etc/apt/sources.list say "woody" or "stable"`
`06:06.30`	`AzzIzzA`	`woody`
`06:06.49`	`n3kl`	`slocate xorg.conf`
`06:06.53`	`n3kl`	`ops`
`06:07.08`	`aGee`	`how do you send an udp packet to an ip via console, gotta test this thing to make sure i did it right`
`06:07.10`	`wols`	`AzzIzzA: please upgrade to sarge. woody is not supported anymore and most certainly has exploitable bugs by now`
`06:07.23`	`xorl`	`aGee: read up netcat`
`06:07.24`	`xorl`	`:)`
`06:07.31`	`AzzIzzA`	`wols: love to but ive just started at this site and its their main server`
`06:07.53`	`AzzIzzA`	`for the next couple of weeks at least i need to work with what ive got, after that ill convince them to upgrade`
`06:08.29`	`wols`	`if you get samba from sarge, you practially do run sarge. only worse since it's a mongrel system`
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`06:08.49`	`wols`	`!bobbitt`
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`06:08.49`	`dpkg`	`Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge.`
`06:09.58`	`xorl`	`LOL`
`06:10.14`	`DiamonD`	`hellow pplz`
`06:10.18`	`DiamonD`	`i have a question`
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`06:10.27`	`wols`	`AzzIzzA: you could try backporting sarge samba`
`06:10.51`	`AzzIzzA`	`ok so the answer to my original question is that yes, packages in stable are only for use on a current system`
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`06:10.57`	`DiamonD`	`how can i change a file from his write protection`
`06:10.58`	`DiamonD`	`?`
`06:11.01`	`DiamonD`	`chmod ?`
`06:11.04`	`wols`	`yes`
`06:11.19`	`karsten`	`DiamonD: What's your native language?`
`06:11.21`	`wols`	`unless it's in use and locked`
`06:11.28`	`DiamonD`	`dutch`
`06:11.31`	`DiamonD`	`:)`
`06:11.43`	`karsten`	`DiamonD: chmod, or for a filesyste, remount, read-only: mount -o remount,ro <filesystem>`
`06:11.44`	`w00p`	`Somebody can helpme? I need sound in more than 1 aplication, but i dont know nothing about esound or alsa`
`06:11.55`	`karsten`	`!alsa one-liner`
`06:11.55`	`dpkg`	`well, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer`
`06:11.59`	`AzzIzzA`	`ok ill tell them they cant have what they want until they upgrade`
`06:11.59`	`wols`	`!dmix`
`06:11.59`	`dpkg`	`well, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc`
`06:12.15`	`sid`	`What is a program I can use to edit pdfs?`
`06:12.20`	`DiamonD`	`which code must i enter`
`06:12.23`	`DiamonD`	`chmod 7??`
`06:12.30`	`wols`	`DiamonD: man chmod`
`06:12.37`	`DiamonD`	`only chmod`
`06:12.38`	`DiamonD`	`?`
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`06:13.18`	`wols`	`most times yes. you haven't told us what you want to do, so we can't really say if that's what you need, but it's very probable`
`06:13.30`	`beardy`	`!edit pdf`
`06:13.39`	`DiamonD`	`ok..`
`06:13.39`	`DiamonD`	`thnx`
`06:13.43`	`beardy`	`what did I call it then..`
`06:15.02`	`beardy`	`Oh;`
`06:15.04`	`beardy`	`!jpg2pdf`
`06:15.05`	`dpkg`	`To get a .jpg into a .pdf, use imagemagick, or OpenOffice.org, or The GIMP (though it can only output to postscript, so you have to use ps2pdf too)`
`06:15.23`	`beardy`	`But not an answer to your question.`
`06:15.43`	`wols`	`http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/06/0612209&tid=49&tid=47 is one answer, not necessarily the best tho`
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`06:15.52`	`w00p`	`I can't use the /dev/dsp when i use xmms with alsa :(`
`06:15.54`	`beardy`	`sid: Anyway, there is some tools, apt-cache search pdf`
`06:16.02`	`beardy`	`sid: pdftk or something like that IIRC`
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`06:16.07`	`ben_h`	`ho folks`
`06:16.08`	`wols`	`w00p: you aren't supposed to use /dev/dsp with xmms either`
`06:16.09`	`ben_h`	`hi*`
`06:16.24`	`wols`	`ben_h: and tey can do PDF forms?`
`06:16.39`	`beardy`	`wols: I think so yes.`
`06:16.51`	`DiamonD`	`i''v got the error that the file must be accessible only by its owner Cannot create file '/var/run/ddclient.pid'. (Permission denied)`
`06:17.10`	`DiamonD`	`how can i set the file into write mode so i can access it with the mainuser`
`06:17.10`	`DiamonD`	`?`
`06:17.12`	`wols`	`w00p: have you OSS emulation activated btw? have you looked into dmix?`
`06:17.12`	`w00p`	`wols, xmms with alsa. there have a hw:0,0`
`06:17.19`	`ben_h`	`i'm building a server for work - the hardware is quite new and not supported by the sarge installer (in particular, the sata and ethernet are not supported), however they work fine under etch. i'd like to run sarge though since this is a production server.`
`06:17.34`	`beardy`	`DiamonD: Which file, which user, and what are you trying to accomplish? Where are you doing this?`
`06:17.36`	`wols`	`!sarge 2.6.16`
`06:17.37`	`dpkg`	`if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm`
`06:17.38`	`ben_h`	`anyone heard of building an installer cd with a custom kernel? i couldn't find anything via google.`
`06:17.40`	`w00p`	`wols, how i can see that?`
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`06:17.52`	`ben_h`	`wols: ahh, nice one. thanks`
`06:17.52`	`wols`	`w00p: see what?`
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`06:18.08`	`DiamonD`	`dyndns beardy`
`06:18.08`	`w00p`	`wols, if i have oss emulation`
`06:18.11`	`DiamonD`	`ddclient`
`06:18.16`	`ben_h`	`!bpo`
`06:18.16`	`dpkg`	`from memory, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get all backports when you upgrade. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions on how to only get specific backports. ask me about <backports>`
`06:18.18`	`beardy`	`DiamonD: Oh, didn't see the first one, well, why is a user editing that file?`
`06:18.18`	`wols`	`DiamonD: you don't. it's a pid file. why do you need to edit it?`
`06:18.24`	`DiamonD`	`i can read it but not write it from the mainuser account`
`06:18.38`	`wols`	`w00p: lsmod should show some OSS emu related modules`
`06:18.38`	`ben_h`	`wols: exactly what I was after, thanks :)`
`06:18.45`	`beardy`	`DiamonD: Then it is as it it should be.`
`06:18.51`	`wols`	`w00p: and it's still the wrong way. use a alsa output plugin`
`06:18.57`	`ben_h`	`knew there'd be a neat solution. good old debian`
`06:19.17`	`DiamonD`	`because he must start ddcleint`
`06:19.25`	`DiamonD`	`i can past the error overhere`
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`06:19.27`	`DiamonD`	`?`
`06:19.28`	`beardy`	`DiamonD: that file holds the process identification number of that daemon, you don't have to edit it.`
`06:19.33`	`wols`	`DiamonD: please answer our question. this is a dynamically created file, recreted very often, so what would accessing it accomplish?`
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`06:19.47`	`beardy`	`DiamonD: Why is a user starting it?`
`06:19.49`	`wols`	`DiamonD: su to root and delete it`
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`06:20.13`	`w00p`	`wols, alsa have something like /dev/dsp?`
`06:20.13`	`LunarCrisis`	`is shadowing rm with a script that runs rm -i $* a viable idea, or will that break things?`
`06:20.25`	`Werdna`	`I have a process that refuses to be kill'd, how can I get rid of the damn thing?`
`06:20.30`	`Werdna`	`it's tying up a network port.`
`06:20.38`	`beardy`	`DiamonD: (as root) '/etc/init.d/nameofdaemon start\|stop\|restart' is how you start and stop daemons/services in a Debian system.`
`06:20.48`	`wols`	`w00p: /dev/snd or such`
`06:20.52`	`DiamonD`	`WARNING: file /etc/ddclient/ddclient.conf: file /etc/ddclient/ddclient.conf must be accessible only by its owner (fixed).`
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`06:20.58`	`w00p`	`wols, i use a application to voice talk, that need the /dev/dsp, but when i use the xmms, it's blocked`
`06:21.01`	`DiamonD`	`is that good`
`06:21.03`	`insmod`	`Werdna: killall -9`
`06:21.05`	`DiamonD`	`wols`
`06:21.08`	`DiamonD`	`?`
`06:21.12`	`beardy`	`!zombie`
`06:21.12`	`dpkg`	`A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie.`
`06:21.13`	`wols`	`DiamonD: no it's not. you are fubaring your ddclient`
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`06:21.22`	`trend`	`hello`
`06:21.26`	`trend`	`how can I find out where all my megs and Gigs have gone on my HD? I only have 4 or 5 left out of 40`
`06:21.35`	`beardy`	`trend: man du`
`06:21.36`	`wols`	`trend: man du`
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`06:21.53`	`wols`	`DiamonD: what do you want to do exactly? start from the beginning`
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`06:21.59`	`trend`	`heh, i have tried LS and du alrady`
`06:22.04`	`trend`	`cannot find the right options`
`06:22.09`	`trend`	`any ideas?`
`06:22.09`	`beardy`	`trend: man du`
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`06:22.22`	`trend`	`beardy are you 100percent sure du will work?`
`06:22.26`	`wols`	`with beardy`
`06:22.31`	`beardy`	`trend: Of course.`
`06:22.33`	`wols`	`trend: yes we are sure. stop being lazy`
`06:22.39`	`trend`	`if not, will bring a salmon back and beat you ;)`
`06:22.44`	`trend`	`i am not.. like i said`
`06:22.49`	`trend`	`did you join after i asked myquestion?`
`06:22.51`	`beardy`	`trend: I wouldn't if I were you.`
`06:22.58`	`wols`	`abd we wukk badgersmite your for extended laziness`
`06:23.09`	`trend`	`heh`
`06:23.14`	`w00p`	`wols, in /dev/snd directory i have a pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1c`
`06:23.31`	`wols`	`w00p: read a alsa howto`
`06:23.42`	`w00p`	`wols, ok. thanks.`
`06:23.47`	`trend`	`just tired of newbs saying rtfm because they don't know shit`
`06:23.48`	`trend`	`:)`
`06:23.50`	`zenwryly`	`anyone have issues with wpa_supplicant?`
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`06:23.56`	`sid`	`How can I grab crap from a pdf and dump it into open office?`
`06:23.59`	`wols`	`trend: who the newb is, is open to debate here...`
`06:24.00`	`beardy`	`!noob`
`06:24.00`	`dpkg`	`Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not.`
`06:24.18`	`wols`	`!tell zenwryly about anyone`
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`06:24.39`	`trend`	`hah.. because i don't know the options for du?`
`06:24.54`	`beardy`	`trend: Just go read the fucking manual.`
`06:25.02`	`wols`	`ni, cause you are too lazy to learn. no go away and bother someone else with your extended laziness`
`06:25.09`	`sid`	`trend: du -hs *`
`06:25.20`	`trend`	`thanks guys (guys being people that actually know)`
`06:25.23`	`trend`	`thanks`
`06:25.29`	`zenwryly`	`My god the quantity of protocol is crazy`
`06:25.33`	`wols`	`note how I am are generous and assume you KNOW how and when to use manpages. E.g. when you don't know options to a command`
`06:25.33`	`peterS`	`lots of us know, but seriously, reading 'man du' is _not_ hard`
`06:25.37`	`beardy`	`trend: plonk`
`06:25.50`	`DiamonD`	`wols the client is working`
`06:25.55`	`zenwryly`	`wpa_supplicant has stopped authenticating to my network even though nothing has changes but a dist-upgrade. Debian unstable.`
`06:25.56`	`peterS`	`and you never know, you might learn something that will be useful tomorrow instead of just what you need today`
`06:26.00`	`trend`	`then what is the purpose of this channel? because eveyrthing is document`
`06:26.05`	`DiamonD`	`i think it start succesfully`
`06:26.09`	`wols`	`zenwryly: checked bts?`
`06:26.09`	`sid`	`trend: To teach a man to fish.`
`06:26.15`	`trend`	`via saying`
`06:26.18`	`peterS`	`trend: we would rather answer the non-obvious questions. that would save a lot of effort`
`06:26.20`	`trend`	`man this .. man that .. man that`
`06:26.22`	`trend`	`:)`
`06:26.26`	`sid`	`trend: We can spoon feed you now, and you get a fish today. But if we teach you how to catch fish. You'll eat fish for life.`
`06:26.33`	`peterS`	`trend: I don't recommend 'man' for every question. but for du options, seriously.`
`06:26.43`	`zenwryly`	`wols: I think so, but give me a pointer just to make sure`
`06:26.49`	`trend`	`uhrm.. actually i was probably spoon feeding you here 5 years ago.. or maybe even 10 years ago if you were in this chatroom`
`06:27.01`	`beardy`	`He just joined, he must know how we always answer questions.`
`06:27.11`	`sid`	`trend: unlikely. If you were in here 5 or 10 years ago you would have done man du`
`06:27.15`	`sid`	`heh`
`06:27.15`	`ben_h`	`wtf`
`06:27.23`	`trend`	`and that is because?`
`06:27.26`	`sid`	`man du would have taken 2 seconds, compared to 20 minutes whining and begging in here`
`06:27.27`	`wols`	`zenwryly: bugs.debian.org/packagename of course`
`06:27.28`	`beardy`	`Or to cite a wise man, "Fuck this shit".`
`06:27.38`	`peterS`	`sid: if you can read a manpage in 2 seconds you're quite a lot faster than I am`
`06:27.57`	`trend`	`anyways.. tired of arguing with you kids.. probably keeping you up past your bedtime ;)`
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`06:28.02`	`wols`	`zenwryly: what are you running? there is no wpa_supplicant it seems`
`06:28.11`	`peterS`	`wow, he really told us!`
`06:28.13`	`Rhizome`	`Funny how personal people take simple questions ;)`
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`06:28.21`	`peterS`	`he must have been thinking about that line for the last 5 minutes`
`06:28.27`	`sid`	`peterS: There are like 5 options total in du`
`06:28.30`	`beardy`	`What did he say?`
`06:28.33`	`sid`	`You can't read it for more then a minute and not see the answer.`
`06:28.39`	`peterS`	`sid: you haven't read the manpage recently, have you?`
`06:28.52`	`DiamonD`	`wols`
`06:28.54`	`DiamonD`	`## start the first time by hand`
`06:29.01`	`sid`	`peterS: Did they add crap?`
`06:29.04`	`DiamonD`	`. /etc/rc.d/init.d/ddclient start`
`06:29.06`	`ben_h`	`no need to read it start to finish, a quick scan usually suffices`
`06:29.14`	`peterS`	`sid: now _you_ are the one asking questions which could be answered by 'man du'`
`06:29.15`	`DiamonD`	`that whas displayd in the readme`
`06:29.17`	`wols`	`sid: it's a GNU program. they NEVER have only 5 options. in fact it has screenfuls of it (yes, just checked the manpage)`
`06:29.18`	`peterS`	`sid: think about that for a second`
`06:29.31`	`sid`	`hehe`
`06:29.32`	`ben_h`	`hell i've read about 5 manpages today, setting up some lvm, and the man process has probably had 3 minutes of wall time max`
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`06:29.34`	`DiamonD`	`but there is no /rc.d/`
`06:29.36`	`sid`	`I'm still waiting for my question`
`06:29.46`	`sid`	`How can I take a pdf and put it into my OO.o writer document.`
`06:30.00`	`wols`	`sid: not possible`
`06:30.00`	`nevyn`	`sid: you can't easilly`
`06:30.02`	`ben_h`	`sid: 'cat >>' ?`
`06:30.08`	`Rhizome`	`can probably convert the pdf`
`06:30.08`	`normend`	`just installed debian 'testing'. it seems like gnome and gdm is preferred over kde and kdm. is this the current norm?`
`06:30.13`	`nevyn`	`sid: you can strip the text if you're lucky`
`06:30.23`	`wols`	`normend: no. there is no preference`
`06:30.25`	`sid`	`nevyn: eh, damn`
`06:30.26`	`beardy`	`sid: pdf2ps perhaps, then open it, or pdf2somethingthatOOocanopen and open it`
`06:30.30`	`DiamonD`	`Debianserver:~# /etc/init.d/ddclient start`
`06:30.30`	`DiamonD`	`bash: /etc/init.d/ddclient: No such file or directory`
`06:30.30`	`DiamonD`	`Debianserver:~#`
`06:30.30`	`peterS`	`sid: I suspect you have to convert it to png somehow. I doubt OO Writer includes vector-based image formats like PDF`
`06:30.31`	`sid`	`nevyn: I'll just take a screen shot and insert image`
`06:30.36`	`nevyn`	`Rhizome: nope.. pdf uses a pretty "graphical" basis`
`06:30.43`	`wols`	`DiamonD: dpkg -L ddclient`
`06:31.00`	`normend`	`wols: in the installation disk, there are a lot more gnome stuffs than kde's.`
`06:31.06`	`ben_h`	`that's pretty silly that writer can't embed pdfs, but it can export to them`
`06:31.10`	`wols`	`normend: and?`
`06:31.19`	`normend`	`wols: preference`
`06:31.27`	`Rhizome`	`nevyn: afaik it's just text and weird trademark formating`
`06:31.39`	`wols`	`ben_h: not silly. pdf is not a format for writing stuff. it's a pretty much purely output, read-only.`
`06:31.50`	`wols`	`it's PS for screens and portable`
`06:32.04`	`ben_h`	`wols: definitely in theory, but in practice a lot of things are distributed that way and have to be included in reports etc`
`06:32.17`	`wols`	`Rhizome: it's a PS variant zipped or whatever mainly. at least that's how it started`
`06:32.25`	`beardy`	`sid: If nothing else works, pdf2txt will.`
`06:32.33`	`ben_h`	`people don't stick to strict usages of formats, so the software should be flexible imo`
`06:32.42`	`beardy`	`Bend it then.`
`06:32.49`	`beardy`	`The source is there.`
`06:32.50`	`wols`	`ben_h: the software was designed that way. no easy way to change that`
`06:32.54`	`DiamonD`	`why should the file not be in rc.d`
`06:32.56`	`ben_h`	`sid: what's in the pdf?`
`06:32.56`	`sid`	`eh, whatever I already cropped my png`
`06:33.01`	`sid`	`ben_h: images and text`
`06:33.04`	`DiamonD`	`./etc/rc.d/init.d/ddclient`
`06:33.18`	`ben_h`	`sid: is there much formatting? cause you could always just textselect from xpdf and paste that in`
`06:33.18`	`wols`	`sid: use stuff like pdftohtml. works fairly well`
`06:33.28`	`ben_h`	`(iirc xpdf can do that.. it can can't it?)`
`06:33.34`	`sid`	`ben_h: yes`
`06:33.37`	`sid`	`lots of formatting`
`06:33.47`	`ben_h`	`sid: damn :)`
`06:34.08`	`peterS`	`DiamonD: pasting that second prompt line was totally unnecessary. please try not to scroll our IRC screens faster than you have to`
`06:34.08`	`peterS`	`ben_h: do you understand what PDF is? hint: it's not intended to be an editable format`
`06:34.13`	`sid`	`I'll try pdftohtml quick, if that doesn't work I'll use pngs`
`06:34.17`	`normend`	`i have setup a dual-boot system with xp and 'testing' on different on the same hd. if i setup raid1, will it mirror both the systems partitions?`
`06:34.24`	`ben_h`	`peterS: of course, i'm not suggesting it should be editable`
`06:34.42`	`normend`	`i mean to say on different partition on the same hd.`
`06:34.45`	`ben_h`	`peterS: i agree that embedding a pdf isn't something that sounds 'neat' or 'logical'`
`06:34.58`	`peterS`	`ben_h: embedding a non-editable pdf blob isn't much better than just converting it to png and importing that`
`06:35.11`	`ben_h`	`i'm just saying that in practice, it's something that people want to do, for better or worse, and the software could save people time by being able to do it`
`06:35.20`	`peterS`	`ben_h: and having to link to a pdf interpreter (not trivial, you do _not_ want to write your own) is pretty annoying`
`06:35.22`	`beardy`	`Hello, are we listening? pdf2lots of formats..`
`06:35.24`	`ben_h`	`even if it just converts to png internally`
`06:35.35`	`sid`	`wow, pdftohtml butchered the formatting`
`06:35.35`	`sid`	`heh`
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`06:35.51`	`wols`	`ben_h: the whole format was not designed for editing at all. PS and PDF are not word processor formats`
`06:36.02`	`peterS`	`maybe now that poplar exists, someone can write an OO plugin that uses it`
`06:36.16`	`sid`	`ben_h: yea, something to easily convert to png would be nice even`
`06:36.29`	`peterS`	`errr ... poppler`
`06:36.32`	`wols`	`sid: make screenshots :)`
`06:36.36`	`sid`	`Instead of having to play around with the zooms so it's full screen, then take a screen shot, crop with gimp, resize/connect etc`
`06:36.43`	`sid`	`wols: I did. BUt that's a pita`
`06:37.00`	`sid`	`ben_h: What is that?`
`06:37.01`	`beardy`	`sid: The GIMP can oped pdf, no need for a screenshot.`
`06:37.09`	`ben_h`	`wols: i know, i said before that i don't think it should be editable`
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`06:37.12`	`wols`	`sid: OSX software. apple. proprietary`
`06:37.13`	`sid`	`thanks beardy`
`06:37.22`	`sid`	`wols: ahh, non-free devil code`
`06:37.36`	`ben_h`	`wols: the sort of example i'm thinking of is where a pdf contains a bunch of diagrams or figures, and one of those is being included in a report`
`06:37.44`	`ben_h`	`should be a simple copy/paste`
`06:37.52`	`peterS`	`someone should write a file download manager called iSuck`
`06:38.01`	`mynullvoid`	`hi peterS`
`06:38.02`	`beardy`	`Haha`
`06:38.13`	`ben_h`	`ya non free. that's why i whispered ;)`
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`06:38.30`	`beardy`	`ben_h: As said, pdf is not that kind of format, so you shouldn't and can�t use it as such.`
`06:39.11`	`peterS`	`in PDF, objects can be overlaid on top of each other to an arbitrary depth. as such, trying to select an image object by pointing at it may or may not do what you think`
`06:39.23`	`sid`	`yea, using gimp to open pdfs is a lot faster then screenshot/cropping.`
`06:39.29`	`sid`	`I'll have to remember that next time.`
`06:39.49`	`beardy`	`sid: You can even "edit" it, atleast fill in blank forms and such..`
`06:39.57`	`normend`	`i have setup a dual-boot system with xp and 'testing' on different partition on the same hd. if i setup raid1, will it mirror both the systems partitions?`
`06:41.05`	`peterS`	`normend: I would expect it to mirror whatever you tell it to mirror. not that I've actually tried the debian-installer raid support`
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`06:41.54`	`normend`	`thks, peterS, anyone else?`
`06:42.35`	`beardy`	`They would answer right away, "anyone else" is not necessary.`
`06:42.45`	`beardy`	`If they wanted to, or could do it.`
`06:42.54`	`ben_h`	`normend: software raid1 is per-partition. not per drive.`
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`06:43.19`	`normend`	`beardy: ben_h proves you wrong.`
`06:43.32`	`beardy`	`normend: No, he proves me right.`
`06:44.05`	`normend`	`ben_h: you sure about that?`
`06:44.13`	`ben_h`	`normend: i'm using it right now`
`06:44.30`	`peterS`	`raid can be done per-drive. in kernel 2.6 (maybe even 2.4) you can even partition raid devices. it's just a lot simpler to put a raid stripe inside a partition.`
`06:44.31`	`beardy`	`normend: Actually, it proves nothing, since we can't repeat the experiment, by going back in time and tape normend's mouth before the "anyone".`
`06:44.31`	`ben_h`	`normend: linux softwareraid only applies within linux. it has nothing to do with windows`
`06:44.41`	`sid`	`Well one thing that is nice is google writely. I don't have to deal with .doc bullshit anymore. I can just dump my odt documents from OO.o to google writely and print them out via any web browser.`
`06:44.55`	`ben_h`	`normend: don't take my word for it though, it's your data you're dealing with here. go read some howtos (google for linux software raid howto)`
`06:45.15`	`sid`	`So while editing pdfs may be a pita. Having to lose formatting to force OO.o to save as .doc, then use the school computers to print out the .doc with Word is much more of a pita. Now I just use google writely`
`06:45.51`	`ben_h`	`peterS: true, i guess i more meant per filesystem, in that linux softwareraid won't make the winxp installation redundant`
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`06:46.07`	Kevin`	`I just save it postscript, and cat that to a network printer, at school...`
`06:46.29`	`peterS`	`ben_h: with partitionable raid devices there's no reason you can't have multiple filesystems in a single raid stripe nowadays. won't do much for windows xp, but that's a separate issue.`
`06:47.06`	`normend`	`raid1 is mirroring, not stripping.`
`06:47.13`	`peterS`	`even before partitionable raid devices, lots of people put lvm on raid for the same sort of effect`
`06:47.28`	`ben_h`	`peterS: yeah, that's what i'm doing here`
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`06:47.37`	`peterS`	`normend: I use the term 'stripe' because 'partition' would be really confusing, under the circumstances`
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`06:47.47`	`ben_h`	`lvm over a raid5, so the volumes can be resized depending on how the data grows over time`
`06:47.51`	`peterS`	`normend: since we're also talking about disk partitions and raid partition tables`
`06:49.40`	`normend`	`ok, i am particularly interested in knowing if mirror a whole hd with partitions holding different OS.`
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`06:50.09`	`peterS`	`normend: setting up such a mirror won't do anything useful. your Windows system will not recognise it as raid1, so it will go out of sync immediately`
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`06:51.36`	`normend`	`peterS: i see, thks.`
`06:51.46`	`peterS`	`normend: mirroring a Windows XP filesystem would have the effect of just snapshotting it, i.e., making a backup copy of the whole thing. while that might be useful, there are simpler and faster ways to back up a system`
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`06:56.46`	`normend`	`another topic. i think it is a good idea for netinst to support wlan link. it would help a lot for those using machines in a wlan nowadays. what do the rest of you think?`
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`06:57.17`	`dn4`	`Does anyone know how to get my mouse wheel working with out re-writing xf86config?`
`06:58.42`	`peterS`	`since when did netstat _not_ support a wlan link?`
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`06:59.11`	`wols`	`dn4: there is no xf86config anymore. long gone`
`06:59.15`	`wols`	`!tell dn4 about drxx`
`06:59.27`	`peterS`	`wols: he means XF86Config-4, obviously`
`06:59.55`	`normend`	`peterS: all along. no option for it. no drivers for the wlan hardware.`
`07:00.30`	`peterS`	`normend: if there are no drivers for your wlan hardware, maybe you should ask the vendor to provide one. you know, the vendor, the people you just gave your money to. they owe it to you.`
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`07:01.06`	`wols`	`peterS: many people, especially the vendor ones would dispute that :)`
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`07:01.22`	`normend`	`peterS: the drivers are in debian packages. they are just not in netinst.`
`07:01.22`	`wols`	`judges too, even`
`07:01.35`	`peterS`	`wols: for 30 years it has been understood that a hardware vendor is responsible for writing and supporting device drivers`
`07:02.35`	`wols`	`peterS: so please give me drivers for my old parport scanner for solars. I mean they are respsonsible, right?`
`07:02.54`	`peterS`	`wols: why are you asking me? I didn't make or sell your scanner`
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`07:03.30`	`wols`	`or maybe for my amiga. a C64 has a centronics parport or I can attach one? maybe I should ask them for a driver for that oo`
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`07:03.40`	`wols`	`peterS: ok, not you but mustek. but you see my point`
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`07:04.13`	`wols`	`peterS: caveat emptor. I just don't buy hardware not supported under linux, even if it's for a windows machine, and I assume you're doing the same`
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`07:04.23`	`peterS`	`wols: I really don't. you made a really bad analogy when you implied that someone who has nothing to do with your hardware should have anything to do with your drivers`
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`07:05.02`	`wols`	`sorry, then not you but mustek as I said. but if I asked mustek, they'd laugh at me "go away idiot", just said in a nicer way`
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`07:05.49`	`DaMan`	`Hiyaz`
`07:05.57`	`peterS`	`wols: as a practical matter, a vendor cannot support every OS in existence. so developers on less popular OSes are usually content when the vendor merely provides enough developer support for someone else to write a driver. what is ridiculous is when vendors think that even _that_ is too much to ask.`
`07:05.58`	`DaMan`	`how do i get the packages screen in Debian?`
`07:06.25`	`peterS`	`DaMan: run 'aptitude' and learn how to use it. it will solve all your problems.`
`07:06.46`	Kevin`	`peterS don't buy from those vendors`
`07:06.48`	`wols`	`peterS: welcome to the age of IP. guess how many products would be infrgining on patents if companies released their specs for their hardware.`
`07:06.50`	`dn4`	`peterS, apt-get is better`
`07:07.03`	`peterS`	`dn4: apt-get is not better. apt-get is faster. in other respects apt-get is worse.`
`07:07.07`	`normend_`	`i am getting this error msg: You need to be an operator in #debian to do that. I don't know what is 'that', i have not tried to do anything except join the chat. anyone knows what is happening?`
`07:07.21`	`dn4`	`I <3 ladies I mean aptget`
`07:07.38`	`normend_`	`nick normand`
`07:07.45`	`peterS`	`dn4: how is it better, then? do you just mean that it's faster and uses less memory?`
`07:07.48`	`ben_h`	`unless you know the exact name of every package you want, aptitude is better`
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`07:08.08`	`peterS`	`ben_h: even when I know the exact name of the package I want, I still think aptitude is better`
`07:08.10`	`k-man_`	`do radius and ldap do similar jobs?`
`07:08.14`	`normend_`	`i am getting this error msg: You need to be an operator in #debian to do that. I don't know what is 'that', i have not tried to do anything except join the chat. anyone knows what is happening?`
`07:08.36`	Kevin`	`k-man_ when used for authentication.. yes`
`07:08.38`	`peterS`	`k-man_: ldap is a lot more general than just storing usernames and passwords. you can put lots of information into an ldap database. I don't think the same is true with RADIUS`
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`07:08.51`	`ben_h`	`peterS: ya it's a matter of preference in that case i suppose`
`07:08.51`	`k-man_`	`oh, i see`
`07:09.03`	`Rhizome`	`aptidue takes to long ;)`
`07:09.26`	`peterS`	`ben_h: it's a matter of features. aptitude is more sophisticated in several respects, some of which I appreciate all the time.`
`07:09.50`	`ben_h`	`mmm`
`07:09.58`	`peterS`	`ben_h: auto-install tracking and dependency/conflict resolution are two killer features that make me never want to go back to apt-get`
`07:10.15`	`ben_h`	`yeah, you're basically preaching to the choir here, i love aptitude`
`07:10.59`	`peterS`	`I think the people who still use apt-get fall into 2 categories: (1) those who are using slow machines, so aptitude is really painful; (2) those who didn't realise aptitude has a command-line interface but thought it was _only_ a curses app`
`07:11.02`	`wols`	`peterS: auto conflict resolution? how?`
`07:11.23`	`Rhizome`	`it has a cli interface? ;)`
`07:11.26`	`DaMan`	`Hey guys.. What's the "Apt-Get" command to install Apache server?`
`07:11.36`	`DaMan`	`on a debian machine?`
`07:11.40`	`peterS`	`wols: when you have conflicting requirements, aptitude tends to come up with smarter suggestions for how to resolve them - and lets you choose which one to go with. apt-get sort of goes for the first solution it can think of`
`07:11.43`	`cydork`	`DaMan: man apt-get :)`
`07:11.46`	`wols`	`peterS: anothre bad thing is: apt-get is typed automatcially by now. and aptitude is a longer word :)`
`07:11.52`	`DaMan`	`apt-get apache`
`07:11.53`	`DaMan`	`?`
`07:12.10`	`peterS`	`wols: nah, apti<tab> is shorter than apt-get or apt-g<tab>`
`07:12.11`	`Rhizome`	`DaMan: apache1 or apache2?`
`07:12.24`	`wols`	`peterS: with conflicts I do it manually. dpkg --force is a godsend :)`
`07:12.26`	`DaMan`	`apache2`
`07:13.02`	`wols`	`peterS: I have 11 programs in path starting with apt<tab>`
`07:13.09`	`peterS`	`wols: well, aptitude's command-line conflict resolution stuff is still a bit frustrating sometimes because it takes time to cycle through the various solutions. I still prefer the full-screen rendition of aptitude for that purpose`
`07:13.16`	`cydork`	`wols: what about apti<tab>`
`07:13.20`	`wols`	`oh apti`
`07:13.25`	`DaMan`	`apt-get apache2 ??`
`07:13.30`	`peterS`	`wols: right, apti is shorter than apt-g. (:`
`07:14.36`	`wols`	`peterS: is aptitude more ram or more cpu dependant?`
`07:14.36`	`cydork`	`DaMan: i told you. man apt-get or man aptitude`
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`07:15.09`	`wols`	`peterS: I just hate the cursing interface. not to mention it gives me flashbacks of dselect`
`07:15.15`	`peterS`	`wols: I'm not sure. it starts up a lot slower than apt-get, but that could be for a lot of reasons. I generally run it interactively and leave it running in a screen session somewhere, so it doesn't bother me that much`
`07:15.35`	`peterS`	`it's also quite a lot nicer than dselect. if it weren't, I never would have switched away from dselect.`
`07:15.36`	`wols`	`that cache loading thing it seems.that's where it takes longers for me`
`07:15.46`	`peterS`	`they look similar on the surface, but aptitude is ever so much more sophisticated and less annoying`
`07:16.16`	`Rhizome`	`hmph.. think I just fell in love with aptitude :P`
`07:16.19`	`peterS`	`as it is, it _did_ take me some years to switch away from dselect. in the old days, aptitude was not better, so I held out awhile`
`07:16.30`	`peterS`	`Rhizome: you found the 'play minesweeper' menu option, didn't you?`
`07:16.42`	`peterS`	`(which, yes, you can do while it's downloading and installing stuff)`
`07:16.50`	`Rhizome`	`hehe`
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`07:17.26`	`wols`	`peterS: constantly logged in as root? tut tut :)`
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`07:17.58`	`wols`	`my aptitude knowlesge is/was from those days too. but I guess it was developed unlike othre stuff :)`
`07:18.08`	`Rhizome`	`I like the search function, can read about the packages without doing apt-cache show`
`07:18.14`	`peterS`	`wols: I said in a screen session. those don't require having a constant login`
`07:18.18`	`stew`	`peterS: similarly, joeyh at one point was talking about integrating moon-buggy with d-i`
`07:18.49`	`peterS`	`Rhizome: 'aptitude show' works too (: but I don't use it, since apt-cache gives almost the same information and it's faster`
`07:18.50`	`wols`	`peterS: but interactive toot. and I dunno about you: everywhree I am, ther eis either ssh or putty running connected to my "home" :)`
`07:19.04`	`geemark`	`hi - when using svnmailer, and updating my Debian, suddently all the characters in the mails are all weird. e.g the "====" have become =3D=3D=3D - how can that be?`
`07:19.07`	`wols`	`and I admin. one of the screen windows is always root here too :)`
`07:19.12`	`wols`	`*admit`
`07:19.34`	`peterS`	`wols: oh, I use a separate screen session for the root user - that is, I su then screen, not screen then su`
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`07:20.26`	`wols`	`5 different copies for screen?`
`07:20.30`	`peterS`	`sure`
`07:20.36`	`peterS`	`one for irssi, one for mutt, one for cplay, etc.`
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`07:20.52`	`peterS`	`the one for mutt has several windows, the one for cplay has two windows (the other being aumix)....`
`07:20.54`	`wols`	`isn't the point of it to have ONE running and several terminals inside that?`
`07:21.01`	`wols`	`e.g. like irssi is always window 0 here`
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`07:21.20`	`peterS`	`'screen -x irc' to get to irssi is easier than 'screen -x' and then cycling to the right window`
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`07:21.48`	`peterS`	`if I want to cycle through my mutt instances (one per folder that I read often), I don't want to have to cycle through all the other crap I put in screen`
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`07:22.57`	`wols`	`how old is mutt?`
`07:23.17`	`peterS`	`dunno, several years old`
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`07:23.27`	`peterS`	`I switched from emacs vm to mutt quite a long time ago`
`07:23.27`	`wols`	`more than 10? more than 15?`
`07:23.53`	`peterS`	`I'm thinking I was using it in 1999, but I could have still been using vm at that time. I wasn't at all an early adopter of mutt`
`07:24.02`	`wols`	`back then I used a certain mail client (mainly DOS) I can't even remember the name now ;( something with YA... (all caps`
`07:24.27`	`wols`	`an daprogram named soup to actually fetch mail`
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`07:24.59`	`peterS`	`I switched away from vm not because mutt was so terribly cool in comparison but because mutt was so terribly _fast_ in comparison. vm used to take _minutes_ to open a folder with just 1000 messages in it`
`07:25.23`	`peterS`	`since mutt is in C rather than elisp, it's possible for it to be something other than dog-slow`
`07:25.24`	`stew`	`i can't wait to switch back to mutt`
`07:26.22`	`wols`	`Standard Offline News Protocol. wow`
`07:27.18`	`wols`	`YARN. that was it`
`07:28.51`	`simonrvn`	`yet another reader of news?`
`07:28.52`	`peterS`	`I also never would have switched to mutt if it didn't have the 'set edit_headers=yes' functionality. i.e., including rfc822 headers in the message editor and letting me change / add / remove them arbitrarily. doing such things from a custom MUA interface is terribly annoying compared to just editing them in an editor`
`07:29.28`	`peterS`	`I don't understand how users of mail clients that do _not_ let you do this manage to survive`
`07:30.08`	`simonrvn`	`most people don't do that`
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`07:30.41`	`wols`	`simonrvn: yes. cool features like threading for mailinglists. whooohooo`
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`07:31.06`	`peterS`	`maybe this is why people complain so much if they ever have to change CC lists manually. if everyone just edited headers in their normal editor, nobody would think it any big deal`
`07:31.07`	`simonrvn`	`i'm talking about setting arbitrary headers`
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`07:31.19`	`wols`	`peterS: what do you need it for? forging the origings of your spam better? :)`
`07:31.34`	`simonrvn`	`that's what i like about mutt, being able to add headers right when you're editing your e-mail message`
`07:31.58`	`peterS`	`wols: I don't change the "From" line all that often, but I do have reason to do so on occasion. some MUAs don't let you do this _at all_ except by reconfiguring the MUA and then reconfiguring it back afterward`
`07:32.12`	`simonrvn`	`wols: if you're going to be spamming, you're not going to do it one by one ;). they typically use scripts, or programs`
`07:32.32`	`nevyn`	`peterS: most have roles or something similar`
`07:32.33`	`wols`	`peterS: not from. but a received by line :)`
`07:32.45`	`wols`	`from headers are for newbie spammres :)`
`07:32.55`	`nevyn`	`peterS: but editing headers is more trouble than it's worth`
`07:32.57`	`peterS`	`wols: more often I just want to change the To, Cc and Bcc lines, which as I said before is really clumsy in most MUAs - much less clumsy if you can just use emacs`
`07:32.59`	`wols`	`simonrvn: mutt is a very powerful MUA :)`
`07:33.23`	`simonrvn`	`yes it is`
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`07:33.46`	`peterS`	`wols: likewise editing the Subject line in most MUAs involves clicking on a separate box, or for text-mode MUAs, using an even more cumbersome interface. once again, emacs is a lot quicker`
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`07:34.49`	`peterS`	`wols: also, I quite often want to add a custom header. The most common case is X-Debbugs-CC when submitting a bug report. That header tells the bug tracking system to forward the bug report to some other address(es) after tagging it with a bug number.`
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`07:35.26`	`peterS`	`(so it's just like the CC header except that it is processed _after_ the bug is assigned a number, which is added to the subject and reply-to lines)`
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`07:36.34`	`peterS`	`MUAs that don't let you easily add a custom header on a per-message basis are useless. and last I checked, the GUI-based ones didn't have an interface for this. perhaps this has changed.`
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`07:37.06`	`wols`	`peterS: they rarely do, you're right.`
`07:37.14`	`wols`	`there should be a tbird extension for this hopefully`
`07:37.37`	`cydork`	`i hate tbird :)`
`07:37.40`	`peterS`	`does thunderbird allow you to use an external editor for composing messages, at least? MUAs that don't allow _that_ are even more useless`
`07:38.05`	`peterS`	`though you get half a point for embedding emacs or vim`
`07:38.05`	`wols`	`cydork: crossplatform. at least OK imap support`
`07:38.41`	`wols`	`mulberry is/was atrcoious wrt usability. and closed source`
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`07:39.06`	`cydork`	`wols: i dont care about crassplatform if it is windows :P`
`07:39.20`	`cydork`	`s/crassplatform/crossplatform./`
`07:39.20`	`peterS`	`(yes, I said embedding. both emacs and vim have been widgetized in various ways over the years)`
`07:39.58`	`wols`	`cydork: I still like windows more for desktops (as long as I don't have to actually see any MS written program, which I don't`
`07:40.11`	`peterS`	`wols: you don't use windows explorer, then?`
`07:40.15`	`wols`	`peterS: it can afaik`
`07:40.21`	`wols`	`peterS: no`
`07:40.26`	`peterS`	`what shell do you use?`
`07:40.30`	`wols`	`litestep`
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`07:40.54`	`peterS`	`oh, never heard of it. does it provide a start menu and taskbar and crap or does it look totally different?`
`07:40.57`	`wols`	`and compared to it. any WM under linux sucks :P the *box ones aren't oo bad tho`
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`07:41.09`	`DaMan`	`euh.. guys? Where does Apache2 install his httpd?`
`07:41.14`	`DaMan`	`<= Debian noob`
`07:41.18`	`cydork`	`!noob`
`07:41.18`	`dpkg`	`Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not.`
`07:41.19`	`peterS`	`DaMan: /usr/sbin, same as most daemons`
`07:41.24`	`wols`	`uses a popup like blackbox which contains the start menu. also systray and stuff (that is a real minefiled. no docs)`
`07:41.27`	`stew`	`DaMan: dpkg -L packagename`
`07:41.37`	`wols`	`but it looks totally different. it's VERY customizable`
`07:41.49`	`peterS`	`stew: that's nontrivial for apache2, since apache2 doesn't actually provide the daemon. so he has to know about apache2-mpm-prefork`
`07:41.56`	`stew`	`right`
`07:42.09`	`peterS`	`or apache2-mpm-threaded or whatever`
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`07:42.21`	`wols`	`peterS: it started as a "port" of afterstep back in 95 or so. complete with wharf and everything :)`
`07:42.31`	`wols`	`cydork: it's GPL too :)`
`07:42.42`	`peterS`	`wols: yeah the 'step' in the name made me think it was probably Yet Another NeXTStep Clone`
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`07:43.21`	`wols`	`peterS: it's more like E now and long been. currently has 3 different scripting modules for example (mzscript, lua and python)`
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`07:44.20`	`anapivirtua`	`Pom Pom Pom² all`
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`07:48.06`	`liable`	`anapivirtua: why do you do that? what does it mean?`
`07:48.19`	`anapivirtua`	`liable, nothing :]`
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`07:54.23`	`tarzeau`	`!popcon`
`07:54.23`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff`
`07:54.33`	`Fare`	`which of dbus or dbus-1 replaces the other?`
`07:54.39`	`Fare`	`how do I know?`
`07:54.57`	`liable`	`changelog? man page?`
`07:55.21`	`Fare`	`I can only read the changelog of the one that's installed`
`07:56.46`	`dondelelcaro`	`Fare: you can read the changelogs of all of them on p.d.o`
`07:57.03`	`liable`	`or 'aptitude changelog foo'`
`07:57.06`	`Fare`	`thanks`
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`07:58.00`	`Fare`	`ok`
`07:58.29`	`Fare`	`and is there a way to tell dpkg to never ever launch any daemon, because it's being run in a chroot`
`07:59.01`	`peterS`	`Fare: dpkg doesn't launch daemons. it runs postinst scripts, and _those_ launch daemons`
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`07:59.22`	`peterS`	`Fare: commonly they use '/sbin/start-stop-daemon' to do so, so if you happen to replace that, like debootstrap does, it generally gets the job done`
`07:59.26`	`Fare`	`is there a central flag so that postinst scripts won't run them?`
`07:59.34`	`Fare`	`peterS: thanks`
`08:00.21`	`Fare`	`problem: there are a handful of daemons that I may run in a chroot indeed`
`08:00.51`	`Fare`	`(but I think they all run in the redhat chroot, so I'm safe with disabling the debian ones this way)`
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`08:08.08`	`Serial`	`: - )`
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`08:10.42`	`opqdonut`	`D - :`
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`08:12.59`	`Skiver`	`hello, is there a program to monitor my pc eth0 activity ?`
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`08:13.28`	`wols`	`iptraf, ntop, etc`
`08:14.04`	`Skiver`	`thanks.`
`08:14.26`	`Serial`	`hehehe : - )`
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`08:14.39`	`beardy`	`also tcptrack and iftop`
`08:14.44`	`beardy`	`and more`
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`08:16.18`	`Skiver`	`anything GUI that works with kde systray ?`
`08:17.04`	`beardy`	`kde probably has something like that "bult in" yes.`
`08:17.31`	`beardy`	`Or search.`
`08:18.39`	`cydork`	`Skiver: apt-cache search kde network :)`
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`08:20.18`	`Skiver`	`thanks..let me try.`
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`08:34.33`	`Dargor`	`anyone know how well debian handels dualcore cpu's`
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`08:35.12`	`wols`	`Dargor: no problems`
`08:35.16`	`SlayerXP`	`Dargor: debian doiesn't, the kernel does. and linux has handled dual core CPUs for quite some time.`
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`08:35.18`	`wols`	`it's a simple SMP machine that's all`
`08:35.19`	`henk`	`Dargor, that is more of a kernel thing than debian specific, but it handles them great`
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`08:36.15`	`Dargor`	`yea, what i was wondering is..in ms it seems that an app without dualcore support only uses one core, is this the case in linux`
`08:36.37`	`wols`	`there is no special "dual core support"`
`08:36.51`	`wols`	`either a program is multihreaded or it isn't (or like apache uses several processes)`
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`08:37.08`	`wols`	`and as in windows: it depends how the program was programmed`
`08:37.55`	`Dargor`	`ok, so it cant prettend to be one fast cpu`
`08:38.26`	`henk`	`Dargor, you need to install an 'smp' kernel, reboot and do 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' it than shows 2 cpus`
`08:38.27`	`wols`	`not technically possible no`
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`08:38.42`	`Dargor`	`ok`
`08:38.46`	`Dargor`	`just wondering`
`08:39.06`	`predder`	`Dargor, what you're talking about is currently in the works from amd if the rumors are true`
`08:39.15`	`predder`	`but that's a hardware thing anyway, not software`
`08:39.27`	`Dargor`	`ok`
`08:39.29`	`wols`	`predder: you will be lucky if it works as well as HT did (e.g. almost not at all)`
`08:39.31`	`cydork`	`predder: huh?`
`08:39.41`	`Dargor`	`yea`
`08:39.49`	`henk`	`Dargor, ofcourse linux will offload other processes to the second cpu even if the main app is not multithreaded. For instance the IO can be done with the other core`
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`08:41.07`	`wols`	`cydork: google amd reverse multithreading`
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`08:43.23`	`wols`	`is debtakeover still the program of choice to "liberate" remote servers?`
`08:43.39`	`cydork`	`wols: ok`
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`08:44.39`	`henk`	`wols, i always just do a debootstrap myself :)`
`08:44.41`	`cydork`	`hmm sounds interesting`
`08:45.46`	`cydork`	`wols: yes but the only problem is it's gives woody system`
`08:46.00`	`wols`	`cydork: unlikely it will gives good speed improvements imho. and: multihreaded is the future.`
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`08:51.46`	`Protocol1`	`!teamspeak`
`08:52.10`	`liable`	`um, we arent a dictionary channel :P`
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`08:52.35`	`liable`	`or a 1984 channel..`
`08:53.28`	`Protocol1`	`some servers do :p`
`08:54.00`	`liable`	`so go to those servers :P`
`08:54.35`	`wols`	`Protocol1: are they named "#debian" those dictionary channels?`
`08:55.16`	`Protocol1`	`a select few yeah......`
`08:55.22`	`Protocol1`	`;)`
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`09:12.00`	`DimmuR`	`is it possible to mount encrypted file image (aes256) without using losetpu (only via mount)?`
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`09:12.25`	`jetscreamer`	`there is a cryptoloop module, all i know`
`09:17.00`	`kristalino`	`has anyone tried an usb svga video card yet ?`
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`09:19.41`	`wols`	`usb? svga?`
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`09:30.09`	`liable`	`!qotd0`
`09:30.09`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, qotd90 is <rituraj> which disks have probs? sata? <directhex\|work> rituraj, whatever's in my laptop, and i've heard people with i915 desktops failing installation <jim> then buy a controller put it in the pci slot and be done with it <directhex\|work> jim, what a fucking useless waste of time and money for all concerned <directhex\|work> jim, and handily, there are hundreds of pci disk controllers for laptops, aren't there`
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`09:37.06`	`DaMan`	`guys...`
`09:37.21`	`DaMan`	`Guys.. for some odd reason i can't find where Apache2 has his "index.html" file`
`09:37.33`	`DaMan`	`i can't find the right location in httpd.conf`
`09:37.46`	`DaMan`	`:( Perhaps i'm looking at the wrong httpd.conf ??`
`09:37.55`	`dimir`	`DaMan: could be redirecting to docs.`
`09:38.07`	`dimir`	`DaMan: if fresh install.`
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`09:38.26`	`h3sp4wn`	`Does apache2 not use apache2.conf (or something other than httpd.conf which is just there for backwards compatibility) (I use 1.3 so can't quite remember)`
`09:38.43`	`roxy_`	`what does ! and * means in /etc/gshadow ?`
`09:38.58`	`dimir`	`DaMan: check /etc/apache2/sites-available/default for RedirectMatch`
`09:39.00`	`cydork`	`h3sp4wn: yes apache 2 uses apache2.conf`
`09:40.28`	`dimir`	`roxy_: man gshadow`
`09:40.53`	`wols`	`apache2 uses /etc/apache2/ for starters`
`09:41.22`	`wols`	`DaMan: /var/www/`
`09:41.35`	`roxy_`	`dimir: have you tried it? it is not explain in my man gshadow.`
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`09:43.11`	`dimir`	`roxy_: man gshadow 2>/dev/null \| grep '!' -B1 -A1`
`09:43.34`	`DaMan`	`it is a fresh install indeed.`
`09:43.46`	`dimir`	`roxy_: If the password field contains some string that is not valid result of crypt(3), for instance ! or *, the usr will not be able to use a unix password to log in, subject to pam(7).`
`09:44.08`	`roxy_`	`then we got the same man gshasow :-)`
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`09:44.23`	`dimir`	`DaMan: it's redirecting you to the docs?`
`09:44.24`	`roxy_`	`where is the difference between * and ! explained ?`
`09:44.33`	`dimir`	`No difference.`
`09:44.50`	`dimir`	`It just has to be not valid result of crypt.`
`09:44.59`	`DaMan`	`ah.. found it... tx guys`
`09:45.17`	`dimir`	`np`
`09:45.23`	`roxy_`	`dimir: but in my /etc/gshadow some are set to * and some to ! . Is it just random ?`
`09:45.53`	`dimir`	`roxy_: could be decided by the application used to add groups.`
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`09:47.34`	`roxy_`	`dimir: it seems all group installed after first installation are using ! . thanks.`
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`09:48.03`	`dimir`	`No problemo.`
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`09:59.35`	`garou`	`Hi. I updated my Debian/sid system yesterday, after which Xorg wasn't to be started successfully anymore. /var/log/Xorg.0.log indicates that loading the module "keyboard" failed because its module ABI minor version (6) doesn't match the servers (5).`
`09:59.42`	`garou`	`So... What do I do now?`
`09:59.54`	`garou`	`(short of compiling Xorg on my own)`
`10:00.04`	`azeem`	`garou: what does dpkg -l xserver-xorg-input-kbd say`
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`10:00.18`	`jetscreamer`	`hey i'm rebuilding an old laptop for my nephew. probably allhe will have is dialup. the internal modem is a lucent. i have source. now after i give it to him, how do i make sure the lt module is recompiled, or whatever, when he does an upgrade and a new/update to kernel is installed?`
`10:00.30`	`Chandu`	`jm_ R U there`
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`10:00.54`	`azeem`	`jetscreamer: I don't think there is an integrated automatic way of doing that yet`
`10:01.11`	`garou`	`azeem: Installed, version 1.1.0-2`
`10:01.17`	`jetscreamer`	`ah. thanks.`
`10:01.19`	`tarzeau`	`!popcon`
`10:01.19`	`dpkg`	`i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff`
`10:01.30`	`h3sp4wn`	`jetscreamer: Hook a script into update-grub maybe`
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`10:01.49`	`Chandu`	`In which fonts has to be installed in KDE`
`10:01.49`	`tarzeau`	`fun http://www.gnu.org/ with directory listing`
`10:01.54`	`jetscreamer`	`i was thinking script... good place to hook, i didn't think about that`
`10:02.00`	`henk`	`jetscreamer, or just keep his kernel stable and do an upgrade by hand every now and than.`
`10:02.02`	`azeem`	`garou: and dpkg -l xorg-server?`
`10:02.14`	`jetscreamer`	`yeh it's etch, but will stay with etch`
`10:02.14`	`Cephexin`	`m.. i've a D-Link DFM-560 EL External modem, but it doesn't work on my debian sarge box !`
`10:02.18`	`Cephexin`	`any help?`
`10:02.33`	`azeem`	`jetscreamer: wait till 2.6.18 hits etch then, maybe`
`10:02.37`	`azeem`	`to reduce the pain`
`10:02.49`	`garou`	`azeem: xserver-xorg? 7.0.23`
`10:02.56`	`azeem`	`garou: there you go`
`10:03.01`	`azeem`	`garou: you need to update to 7.1`
`10:03.11`	`jetscreamer`	`yeah i really like the latest images... kernels i mean. somebody did something right.`
`10:03.15`	`azeem`	`garou: have packages been held back when you ran apt-get upgrade?`
`10:03.27`	`jetscreamer`	`in .18`
`10:04.03`	`henk`	`jetscreamer, or make the grub.conf and kernel/initrd files immutable. That way an upgrade of the kernel will not change the way he boots`
`10:04.04`	`azeem`	`jetscreamer: oh, didn't notice 2.6.18 was in unstable already`
`10:04.16`	`garou`	`azeem: No idea, but a lot of xorgs packages are explicitely not updated on upgrade.`
`10:04.35`	`azeem`	`garou: then run dist-upgrade, maybe through aptitude`
`10:04.56`	`azeem`	`garou: you need to fully upgrade X, or downgrade xorg-server-input-kbd to 1.0.x`
`10:04.59`	`garou`	`Thanks. does so`
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`10:07.13`	`fs-a`	`hi, who does xgl repositories?`
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`10:10.09`	`h3sp4wn`	`deb http://www5.autistici.org/debian-xgl/debian/`
`10:10.22`	`nehoksan`	`the postman asked me if i ordered weed`
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`10:10.23`	`nehoksan`	`:o`
`10:10.30`	`nehoksan`	`strange guy`
`10:10.53`	`fs-a`	`h3sp4wn: wow, i had no idea, i didnt expect there was`
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`10:12.08`	`h3sp4wn`	`fs-a: Don't know about the quality of them (but I would not expect them to work with sarge)`
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`10:13.52`	`fs-a`	`ye.`
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`10:20.55`	`cydork`	`nehoksan: so did you? :)`
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`10:23.59`	`Konky`	`hi`
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`10:25.02`	`garo`	`What's the most popular dhcpserver ?`
`10:25.45`	`SlayerXP`	`garo: dhcpd`
`10:25.48`	`petemc`	`3`
`10:26.44`	`freespace`	`7/26`
`10:27.01`	`h3sp4wn`	`garo: why is most popular important ? (other than perhaps more documentation) for a small network its an overkill imo`
`10:27.40`	`garo`	`i need a good one that is included in debian and can provide ip,gateway and dns`
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`10:28.47`	`Rich43`	`Im trying to install libapache2-mod-mono but its in unstable.. should i compile from source instead?`
`10:29.50`	`h3sp4wn`	`garo: dnsmasq will do all that (with iptables) - bind9 + dhcpd is more complicated to setup`
`10:30.00`	`h3sp4wn`	`garo: how many users ?`
`10:31.29`	`fireba11`	`garo: you need dns for the dhcp addresses ?`
`10:31.45`	`garo`	`10, max 20`
`10:32.25`	`h3sp4wn`	`garo: All on the same subnet`
`10:32.35`	`garo`	`i want it because there are systems that i reinstall very much and i don't want to type in the configs`
`10:33.07`	`garo`	`3 subnets but only 1 needs dhcp (for now)`
`10:33.35`	`garo`	`i would like to bind ip's to mac's`
`10:33.55`	`h3sp4wn`	`that can be set in /etc/ethers with dnsmasq`
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`10:34.35`	`garo`	`why is dnsmasq named dnsmasq, is it a dnsserver ?`
`10:34.55`	`h3sp4wn`	`dns + dhcp`
`10:35.01`	`h3sp4wn`	`(for small networks)`
`10:35.39`	`DiamonD`	`Hi`
`10:35.55`	`DiamonD`	`i have a question`
`10:35.56`	`h3sp4wn`	`dhcpd can do more stuff but is more complicated to setup (I would use it on a big network though - probably)`
`10:36.10`	`DiamonD`	`why has debian no /rc.d/`
`10:36.20`	`DiamonD`	`?`
`10:36.31`	`h3sp4wn`	`It uses sysv init style`
`10:36.39`	`garo`	`what does dnsmasq lack ?`
`10:37.35`	`h3sp4wn`	`being a real dns server (hosting zones etc) some more obscure dhcp options`
`10:38.01`	`DiamonD`	`i want to setup a dyndns client on my debian server`
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`10:38.33`	`DiamonD`	`but the readme says this`
`10:38.37`	`fireba11`	`DiamonD: trivial .. search for packages, there are a vew`
`10:38.38`	`h3sp4wn`	`ez-ipupdate is quite easy to use`
`10:38.39`	`DiamonD`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:38.39`	`DiamonD`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:38.46`	`DiamonD`	`./sbin/chkconfig --add ddclient`
`10:38.57`	`DiamonD`	`./etc/rc.d/init.d/ddclient start`
`10:39.19`	`DiamonD`	`the first one to set the program into boot file i think`
`10:39.26`	`DiamonD`	`the second one for first start`
`10:39.45`	`DiamonD`	`but can't find /rc.d/`
`10:39.48`	`DiamonD`	`what could be the problem`
`10:40.04`	`cydork`	`DiamonD: there is a ddclient in debian just install that`
`10:41.20`	`DiamonD`	`ok where can i find it`
`10:41.20`	`DiamonD`	`?`
`10:41.38`	`cydork`	`!tell DiamonD about search`
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`10:43.13`	`crazy_penguin`	`Good day all! :)`
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`10:45.29`	`DiamonD`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`10:45.29`	`*** kick/#debian [DiamonD!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood)`
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`10:45.55`	`DiamonD`	`ok there is going something wrong`
`10:46.05`	`DiamonD`	`cydork`
`10:46.07`	`cydork`	`DiamonD: which is?`
`10:46.23`	`DiamonD`	`what to which`
`10:46.23`	`DiamonD`	`?`
`10:46.24`	`DiamonD`	`ddclient?`
`10:46.35`	`cydork`	`DiamonD: i mean what is wrong?`
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`10:46.59`	`DiamonD`	`now.. this is wrong`
`10:47.24`	`DiamonD`	`i want to setup ddclient on my debian server`
`10:47.29`	`DiamonD`	`i have configuured the conf`
`10:48.06`	`cydork`	`DiamonD: now the problem is?`
`10:48.08`	`DiamonD`	`but i want to set the ddcleint into the boot file`
`10:48.20`	`cydork`	`DiamonD: man update-rc.d`
`10:48.33`	`cydork`	`DiamonD: or install rcconf`
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`10:52.15`	`DiamonD`	`then a screen will be displayed of how to update or something like that`
`10:52.20`	`DiamonD`	`what must i do next`
`10:52.30`	`DiamonD`	`kind a n00b :P`
`10:52.37`	`cydork`	`DiamonD: did you install rcconf?`
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`10:54.35`	`DiamonD`	`not that i know`
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`10:54.41`	`DiamonD`	`apt-get install rcconf?`
`10:55.06`	`cydork`	`DiamonD: yes`
`10:56.03`	`DiamonD`	`ok done`
`10:56.05`	`DiamonD`	`what''s next`
`10:56.05`	`DiamonD`	`?`
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`10:57.00`	`cydork`	`DiamonD: now run it :P`
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`10:58.18`	`tarzeau`	`more than 100 debian gnu/kfreebsd users? http://www.bsdstats.org/`
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`10:58.48`	`cydork`	`tarzeau: one has to be mine :)`
`10:59.38`	`tarzeau`	`cydork: i was very surprised about that number`
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`10:59.59`	`cydork`	`tarzeau: so i am.`
`11:00.11`	`cydork`	`s/i am/am i/`
`11:00.13`	`DiamonD`	`how to run cydork`
`11:00.13`	`DiamonD`	`?`
`11:00.20`	`tarzeau`	`cydork: i mean that's more than s390, mips, mipsel, m68k, ia64, hurd-i386, hppa, armeb, alpha users at popcon.debian.org`
`11:00.53`	`cydork`	`DiamonD: type rcconf as a root`
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`11:01.28`	`cydork`	`tarzeau: hmm that's bit wierd, dont you think?`
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`11:02.58`	`tarzeau`	`cydork: no. why?`
`11:03.10`	`tarzeau`	`cydork: obviously gnu/kfreebsd is pretty very good :)`
`11:03.31`	`tarzeau`	`cydork: it can even run blender now!`
`11:03.31`	`cydork`	`tarzeau: heh :P`
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`11:03.58`	`DiamonD`	`ok i menu will be displayed`
`11:04.14`	`cydork`	`tarzeau: i really dont care about blender, i want to run it as a server :)`
`11:04.25`	`DiamonD`	`everything i marked`
`11:04.33`	`DiamonD`	`then press ok?`
`11:04.40`	`cydork`	`DiamonD: why do you wanna mark everything?`
`11:04.50`	`tarzeau`	`cydork: hehe :) but have you tried blender?`
`11:04.50`	`DiamonD`	`don't know what i need`
`11:05.00`	`DiamonD`	`first time you know`
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`11:05.11`	`d0tslash`	`O_o`
`11:05.14`	`enouf`	`DiamonD: also run as root/su update-rcconf-guide and read the man page`
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`11:05.27`	`DiamonD`	`ok`
`11:05.42`	`cydork`	`DiamonD: press cancel and run it again dont touch other stuff that you dont know about. just enable ddclient`
`11:06.03`	`cydork`	`tarzeau: not on gnu/kfreebsd :)`
`11:07.49`	`DiamonD`	`ddclient isent't in the list`
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`11:08.06`	`DiamonD`	`that good or bad`
`11:08.07`	`DiamonD`	`?`
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`11:08.46`	`cydork`	`DiamonD: dpkg -l\|grep ddclient`
`11:09.27`	`heiner`	`I want to buy an USB WLAN-Module for my laptop (running Debian 2.6 Kernel). Could I buy any module, or which one are supported or work best?`
`11:09.51`	`DiamonD`	`done`
`11:10.37`	`h3sp4wn`	`heiner: atheros minipci/cardbus would probably work better - (I think there is a ti acx111 that works reasonably)`
`11:10.37`	`enouf`	`DiamonD: does it say 'ii' ?? if not .. as root apt-get install ddclient`
`11:11.50`	`enouf`	`DiamonD: ... or paste right here the output of dpkg -l ddclient \| tail -1`
`11:12.01`	`DiamonD`	`ok i am in the config of ddclient`
`11:12.08`	`DiamonD`	`:)`
`11:12.14`	`DiamonD`	`Enter the interface which is used for using dynamic DNS service. �`
`11:12.14`	`DiamonD`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:12.14`	`DiamonD`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:12.19`	`DiamonD`	`what must i fill in there`
`11:12.21`	`enouf`	`cydork -- your man`
`11:12.45`	`DiamonD`	`it does say nothing enouf`
`11:13.10`	`DiamonD`	`i now am in the configuration of ddclient`
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`11:13.22`	`garo`	`Can someone who runs testing or unstable message me the part about the "dns-nameservers" option in the interfaces(5) manpage ?`
`11:13.23`	`ben_h`	`hi folks`
`11:13.28`	`enouf`	`DiamonD: I only know how to install things .. and start/stop services - never used ddclient`
`11:13.39`	`ben_h`	`garo: sure, one sec`
`11:13.43`	`cydork`	`DiamonD: if it doesn't say anything it's not installed.`
`11:13.43`	`garo`	`there is nothing about "dns-nameservers" in the manpage in stable...`
`11:14.01`	`heiner`	`h3sp4wn: I should check what other interfaces the laptop provides. But USB seems to be fairly well supported, isn't it? Do you know of problems?`
`11:14.20`	`ben_h`	`garo: nothing in there on etch`
`11:14.25`	`ben_h`	`beta3 that is`
`11:14.30`	`cydork`	`heiner: check http://linux-wless.passys.nl/`
`11:14.49`	`garo`	`strange`
`11:15.04`	`h3sp4wn`	`heiner: usb wireless is very flaky on linux (except maybe with ndiswrapper on certain cards)`
`11:15.08`	`nehoksan`	`heiner?`
`11:15.11`	`nehoksan`	`lol`
`11:15.15`	`DiamonD`	`ok cydork`
`11:15.26`	`heiner`	`h3sp4wn: excellent, thanks`
`11:15.29`	`heiner`	`nehoksan: yes?`
`11:15.50`	`DiamonD`	`cydork do you know about the conf of ddclient`
`11:15.52`	`nehoksan`	`great name`
`11:15.54`	`nehoksan`	`^^`
`11:15.57`	`ben_h`	`i'm trying to install sarge (stable) on a machine with new hardware, i haven't had any success yet combining the etch kernel with a sarge netinst cd.`
`11:16.00`	`DiamonD`	`what must i fill in here ?`
`11:16.07`	`DiamonD`	`Enter the interface which is used for using dynamic DNS service. �`
`11:16.07`	`DiamonD`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:16.07`	`DiamonD`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:16.22`	`DiamonD`	`i know the manual conf but can't find anything`
`11:16.33`	`heiner`	`nehoksan: why?`
`11:16.37`	`ben_h`	`what I've done is write the sarge boot.img to a usb stick, replace the kernel with that from etch, and add the sarge netinst iso. that setup boots and finds the iso happily, but then can't load any kernel modules.`
`11:16.44`	`ben_h`	`anyone done something similar to this?`
`11:16.56`	`cydork`	`DiamonD: read /usr/share/doc/ddclient/examples/sample-etc_ddclient.conf.gz and dont paste in here.`
`11:17.06`	`DiamonD`	`ok cydork`
`11:17.35`	`ben_h`	`my guess is it's trying to load modules from the sarge iso, instead of from the etch initrd. does anyone know a way around this?`
`11:17.47`	`ben_h`	`or alternatively, is there a way to do a manual debian install?`
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`11:18.14`	`ben_h`	`i.e. boot from some livecd, partition / format / untar, setup kernel manually? i'm comfortable doing that, but can't find any instructions.`
`11:18.19`	`cydork`	`!tell ben_h about sarge 2.6.16`
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`11:18.38`	`ben_h`	`cydork: ya i had a read of that, it didn't seem to be the same thing as what i'm trying to do`
`11:18.54`	`cydork`	`ben_h: you want a newer kernel on sarge right?`
`11:18.57`	`DiamonD`	`there is no file overthere`
`11:19.09`	`DiamonD`	`;/`
`11:19.15`	`ben_h`	`cydork: yeah but that page has instructions for upgrading packages, not the kernel`
`11:19.31`	`ben_h`	`and besides, they seem to be for a system that is already installed, not for modifying the installer cd.`
`11:19.40`	`cydork`	`ben_h: read the factoid again. the last sentence`
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`11:20.02`	`cydork`	`DiamonD: you haven't installed ddclient i told you. install it first`
`11:20.07`	`tralala`	`ben_h: there is a 2.6.16 based sarge installer (unofficial)`
`11:20.37`	`wols`	`ben_h: wy are you doing this?`
`11:20.48`	`ben_h`	`wols: my hardware isn't supported by sarge`
`11:21.01`	`wols`	`ben_h: I told you about sarge with a 2.6.16 kernel`
`11:21.30`	`ben_h`	`wols:i know, the backports instructions are tangential to what i'm trying to do`
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`11:21.46`	`wols`	`tangential?`
`11:21.53`	`cydork`	`!sarge 2.6.16`
`11:21.54`	`dpkg`	`if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm`
`11:22.00`	`wols`	`is the 2.6.16 kernel good enough for you and if not: why not?`
`11:22.14`	`cydork`	`ben_h: did you read the last line ??`
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`11:22.47`	`ben_h`	`cydork: yeah, i'm reading the link now. the unofficial build looks like it's had a lot of patches applied, that's not what i'm after.. unofficial kernel etc`
`11:23.12`	`wols`	`ben_h: I told you about !bobbit`
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`11:23.24`	`ben_h`	`wols: yeah 2.6.16 is fine, at least the one included with etch beta3 is. (i currently have an etch install on the server for some testing)`
`11:23.28`	`wols`	`and; you making your own kernel certanly won't be as good as this one`
`11:23.40`	`ben_h`	`yeah, i'm not trying to roll my own`
`11:24.15`	`wols`	`this 2.6.16 sarge IS a etch kernel... not any different than you would get for 2.6.16 on sarge via backports`
`11:24.24`	`ben_h`	`my problem with the kmuto.jp image is that it has unofficial patches. i'd rather use vanilla sarge.`
`11:24.45`	`ben_h`	`well, it is.. the kernel is 2.6.16-15bpo2`
`11:24.56`	`wols`	`ben_h: that is not possible`
`11:25.15`	`wols`	`hm?`
`11:25.22`	`ben_h`	`and there are package updates etc as well. i'm not after that, that's the whole reason i'm not using etch to start with.`
`11:25.33`	`enouf`	`!confuse me`
`11:25.34`	`dpkg`	`Yes, those was their pineapple today, enouf? shirts of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra anchovies`
`11:26.11`	`enouf`	`mmm anchovies`
`11:26.37`	`ben_h`	`wols: what isn't possible?`
`11:27.06`	`wols`	`to run 2.6.16 on sarge. at least not _any_ official kernel`
`11:27.25`	`ben_h`	`why not?`
`11:27.30`	`wols`	`and pretty much everyone in here agrees that kmuto is the qay to go if you need it`
`11:27.38`	`wols`	`cause sarge is STABLE....`
`11:27.41`	`enouf`	`ben_h: the latest official sarge uses 2.6.8-3-686`
`11:27.54`	`cydork`	`ben_h: backported 2.6.16 is your best option.`
`11:28.09`	`wols`	`and that happens to be kmuto`
`11:28.20`	`ben_h`	`once the system is installed, i roll my own kernel anyway. this is only for the installation`
`11:29.05`	`ben_h`	`Package updates are introduced by kernel update and backports.org up-to-date: cdebconf, di-utils, grub, initramfs-tools, klibc, libdebian-installer, lsb-base, parted, rootskel, udev, yaird`
`11:29.23`	`ben_h`	`as well as the installer partitioner and linux-headers`
`11:29.51`	`enouf`	`ben_h: AFAIK ; the only other [real] option (say for support of some newer controller or somesuch) is to roll your own sarge kernel with said controller's support built in`
`11:29.55`	`Xteven`	`whats the word on flashplayer under debian ?`
`11:30.04`	`cydork`	`!gnash`
`11:30.04`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, gnash is a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. ...`
`11:30.05`	`Xteven`	`or some flash plugin`
`11:30.22`	`ben_h`	`enouf: yep i'm happy to do that, i just can't find any instructions on how to roll that into the sarge installer`
`11:30.30`	`Xteven`	`cydork : thx`
`11:30.41`	`ben_h`	`enouf: when i try to boot from usb with the iso on the filesystem, it seems to try to use modules from the wrong initrd`
`11:30.54`	`cydork`	`Xteven: or did you mean from adobe?`
`11:31.33`	`wols`	`!custom cd`
`11:31.33`	`dpkg`	`So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt \| Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD \| http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian`
`11:31.40`	`Xteven`	`cydork : no idea :) I just want to view a movie for which the site says "download flashplayer 8"`
`11:31.58`	`Xteven`	`for the record, I think flash stinks, and everyone who uses it to distribute content should be shot`
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`11:32.09`	`ben_h`	`lol, tell us what you really think`
`11:32.18`	`ben_h`	`wols: thanks. i'll have a read of those`
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`11:32.21`	`DiamonD`	`pplz what means this`
`11:32.22`	`DiamonD`	`Enter the interface which is used for using dynamic DNS service. �`
`11:32.24`	`DiamonD`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:32.24`	`DiamonD`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:32.24`	`*** kick/#debian [DiamonD!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood)`
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`11:33.07`	`enouf`	`nods in agreement with Xteven`
`11:33.28`	`garou`	`DiamonD: It asks which of your network interfaces you're using to make DNS queries.`
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`11:35.55`	`ben_h`	`this looks pretty complex.. is there any reason why I can't just replace the kernel in the iso and reburn it?`
`11:36.20`	`enouf`	`Yes`
`11:37.05`	`ben_h`	`why is it?`
`11:37.28`	`petemc`	`do you think they describe the process as they do just for the hell of it?`
`11:37.30`	`garou`	`azeem: It worked, thanks a lot.`
`11:37.55`	`DiamonD`	`ok`
`11:37.58`	`DiamonD`	`ip of the server`
`11:38.00`	`DiamonD`	`or the router`
`11:38.01`	`DiamonD`	`?`
`11:38.01`	`enouf`	`ben_h: think about it .. Sarge = tried/true/tested extensively - it only gets security updates when necessary`
`11:38.06`	`Xteven`	`ben_h : modules for example`
`11:38.08`	`enouf`	`ben_h: DiamonD: to clear the record .. do NOT paste in the channel -- though I made an exception (the tail -1 command), since I knew the output would be only 1 line`
`11:38.34`	`DiamonD`	`ok enouf`
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`11:39.09`	`ben_h`	`petemc: no, of course not. but i'm not about to blindly follow 15 pages of instructions that don't appear to be specific to my problem.`
`11:39.29`	`enouf`	`sorry you got included in my last message ben_h`
`11:39.31`	`ben_h`	`those custom cd's appear to be replacing .udeb's - i don't want to do that. just the kernel that the cd is booting with.`
`11:39.34`	`DiamonD`	`where can i find the interface adress in the manual conf it's say's alcatel`
`11:39.39`	`ben_h`	`enouf: np`
`11:39.49`	`cydork`	`ben_h: you want to replace the kernel that's a custom cd afaik`
`11:40.01`	`DiamonD`	`must i fill the ip from my router into the interface adress balk`
`11:40.01`	`DiamonD`	`?`
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`11:40.16`	`ben_h`	`yes, but i just want to replace _two files_. that should not require 15 pages of debian-specific voodoo`
`11:42.26`	`tarzeau`	`ben_h: you can`
`11:42.37`	`tarzeau`	`ben_h: well i was able to, but then i didn't use the iso but the pxe`
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`11:42.52`	`ben_h`	`tarzeau: nice, did you boot from cd?`
`11:42.57`	`tarzeau`	`(replace the kernel on the debian installer)`
`11:43.03`	`tarzeau`	`ben_h: no, i used network boot`
`11:43.16`	`tarzeau`	`but it should be easily doable with floppy and cd as well`
`11:43.20`	`ben_h`	`oh right, pxe boot. ya`
`11:43.23`	`tarzeau`	`it's just the size limit`
`11:43.26`	`ben_h`	`mm`
`11:43.50`	`ben_h`	`tarzeau: so just replacing linux26 and initrd26.gz did the trick?`
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`11:44.15`	`tarzeau`	`ben_h: i replaced the whole kernel (including its modules) because we had hardware that didn't work with debian sarge kernels`
`11:44.25`	`ben_h`	`yep, i'm in the same situation`
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`11:44.41`	`ben_h`	`mm. that should work.. the iso doesn't need to be bootable if i include it on the usb stick`
`11:45.05`	`tarzeau`	`ben_h: which hardware doesn't work for you? network? sound? disk?`
`11:45.30`	`ben_h`	`network and disk`
`11:45.43`	`tarzeau`	`ben_h: nvidia?`
`11:45.47`	`ben_h`	`the board is a new intel 975xbx`
`11:46.26`	`tarzeau`	`ok`
`11:46.28`	`ben_h`	`and sarge doesn't seem to support the secondary onboard sata either, it's a sii3114`
`11:46.33`	`ben_h`	`but 2.6.16 does fine`
`11:46.38`	`tarzeau`	`ben_h: have you tried with etch?`
`11:47.03`	`gentgeen__`	`while running a dist-upgrade, I keep getting "Errors were encountered while processing: \n tetex-base \n tetex-extra \n jadetex , but I don't know what to do about it`
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`11:47.22`	`ben_h`	`tarzeau: etch installs and runs fine, but i don't want to run beta on this box, it's a server`
`11:47.37`	`ben_h`	`i put etch on in the meantime to test the new drives etc.`
`11:47.38`	`tarzeau`	`ben_h: i'd just use etch`
`11:47.39`	`A_A`	`Where do i find xrender ?`
`11:47.48`	`tarzeau`	`ben_h: what will the server serve?`
`11:47.53`	`gentgeen__`	`this is on Etch`
`11:48.02`	`ben_h`	`tarzeau: smb to my office`
`11:48.08`	`cydork`	`tarzeau: or he can use sarge with backported 2.6.16 :)`
`11:48.09`	`ben_h`	`well, smb/cifs`
`11:48.18`	`tarzeau`	`ben_h: so nobodys life is endangered`
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`11:48.23`	`tarzeau`	`cydork: or that`
`11:48.28`	`ben_h`	`tarzeau: no but my reputation is :)`
`11:48.32`	`tarzeau`	`cydork: but really for one machine it's not worth`
`11:48.55`	`cydork`	`tarzeau: i know but at least he will have "sarge"`
`11:49.02`	`tarzeau`	`ben_h: well if you're good, you can run the etch box just fine`
`11:49.24`	`tarzeau`	`cydork: which will not save him from not being able to configure smb right and have an eye on security issues`
`11:49.27`	`Xteven`	`does debian have an install cd yet that can install on core 2 duo ?`
`11:49.29`	`ben_h`	`cydork: i'd rather just run etch than an unofficial backport patched up the wazoo`
`11:49.34`	`Xteven`	`more specifically: jmicron ide chipset`
`11:49.50`	`tarzeau`	`ben_h: you could try debian gnu/kfreebsd`
`11:49.55`	`wols`	`ben_h: etch will be stable in 3 months...`
`11:49.56`	`tarzeau`	`ben_h: but then, it's not stable either`
`11:50.04`	`tarzeau`	`ben_h: but it might support your hardware, maybe`
`11:50.05`	`cydork`	`tarzeau: :)`
`11:50.14`	`tarzeau`	`cydork: hey it worked for my nvidia sata controller`
`11:50.15`	`ben_h`	`wols: not quite soon enough :)`
`11:50.18`	`tarzeau`	`cydork: AND sound too!`
`11:50.35`	`tarzeau`	`cydork: which freebsd 6.1 didn't, nor debian gnu/linux (not even the japanese updated thing)`
`11:50.50`	`cydork`	`tarzeau: huh? how is that possible?`
`11:50.58`	`tarzeau`	`cydork: very new hardware`
`11:51.12`	`tarzeau`	`cydork: i can show you the lspci stuff if you care`
`11:51.22`	`cydork`	`tarzeau: ya sure.`
`11:51.33`	`tarzeau`	`cydork: i encounter new hardware like that, everytime we get/buy new hardware at work`
`11:52.17`	`cydork`	`tarzeau: ya typical issues ..`
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`11:54.33`	`Xteven`	`by any chance, does someone know where I can find debian DeLeGaTe packages ?`
`11:54.44`	`Xteven`	`not on apt-get.org it seems`
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`12:00.26`	`DiamonD`	`cydork`
`12:00.48`	`cydork`	`DiamonD: yes.`
`12:00.53`	`DiamonD`	`so what must i fill in by Interface used for dynamic DNS service:`
`12:00.54`	`DiamonD`	`my router type`
`12:01.04`	`DiamonD`	`or my eth adress`
`12:01.05`	`DiamonD`	`?`
`12:01.08`	`fs-a`	`part`
`12:01.10`	`*** part/#debian fs-a (n=fs@host81-158-51-122.range81-158.btcentralplus.com)`
`12:01.46`	`cydork`	`DiamonD: join #flood`
`12:01.57`	`nehoksan`	`<cydork> DiamonD: join #flood`
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`12:02.59`	`DiamonD`	`yes cydork`
`12:03.05`	`DiamonD`	`but the file don''t exsist`
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`12:06.36`	`ben_h`	`hmm. looks like a hacked netbook image should work.`
`12:06.58`	`ben_h`	`netboot*`
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`12:09.17`	`wols`	`DiamonD: the device file you use for your public interface`
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`12:13.43`	`Octopuce`	`hi all`
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`12:17.34`	`brainbug`	`how to add some path into the PATH variable permanently (for all users)?`
`12:19.53`	`Fox`	`/etc/profile`
`12:19.59`	`cydork`	`/etc/profile`
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`12:20.58`	`brainbug`	`and after modifying it source /etc/profile?`
`12:21.37`	`Fox`	`. /etc/profile`
`12:21.47`	`brainbug`	`this worked for me just in the current ssh session but not permanently:(`
`12:21.48`	`tarzeau`	`http://techoncrack.blogspot.com/2006/09/why-is-gnome-so-ugly.html`
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`12:23.07`	`brainbug`	`what does "." do?`
`12:23.18`	`tarzeau`	`brainbug: source`
`12:25.16`	`brainbug`	`tried it, but after a re-login it is not in the path again... (i'm using putty)`
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`12:26.54`	`ft`	`AFAIK bourne shells only read /etc/profile is they are login shells; zsh doesn't read /etc/profile at all, nor does ksh.`
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`12:30.23`	`brainbug`	`what about bash? i think it is a login shell, otherwise i couldn't login or?`
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`12:32.21`	`peppet`	`brainbug: note that settings from /etc/profile are overwritten by settings in ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login or ~/.profile in this order`
`12:32.21`	`brainbug`	`my problem is that a programm running as a service is looking for some command in the PATH and does not find it? I thought putting it in /etc/profile is the right place?`
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`12:33.08`	`skruwilus`	`question, if i wanna record everything that is happening on my network, like with tcpdump, is there a better tool to do this?, so i can see speciffic ips and where they are connecting etc, so if someone would abuse our netwrok in anyway i could track it? oh and webinterface would be the best.`
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`12:33.33`	`brainbug`	`peppet: thanks, so I have to put it directly into the ~/.profile of the user that executes the service, right?`
`12:33.49`	`ra1`	`hi all any one having idea abt otrs auto response to customer`
`12:33.58`	`ft`	`brainbug: bash does read /etc/profile; to check if your current bash is a login shell, type: shopt; and see if login_shell is set.`
`12:34.16`	`h3sp4wn`	`brainbug: profile is not read for non login shells`
`12:34.48`	`peppet`	`brainbug: in ~/.bash_profile`
`12:35.06`	`brainbug`	`shopt sais "login_shell: on" ...`
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`12:38.06`	`ft`	`in that case, /etc/profile should be sourced. put echo $PATH into your /etc/profile, and see if the path gets printed when you login. if not, something fishy is going on.`
`12:38.25`	`garou`	`Hi again. I just tried regenerating fglrx packages from the ATI installer, but those require an xserver-xorg (<<1:7.0.99), and I just upgraded to 7.1.0-1. I know it's a bit offtopic here, but is that a known problem? Is there a way I can force dpkg to install them anyways?`
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`12:40.06`	`jetscreamer`	`http://kanotix.com/files/install-fglrx-debian.sh`
`12:40.41`	`peppet`	`ft: something like $PATH being redefined in ~/.bash_profile or so on`
`12:41.19`	`ft`	`peppet: possible. but the user should know if he does set PATH in his personal files.`
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`12:44.15`	`Zap-W`	`anyone know how to use wilcards in wget?`
`12:44.22`	`Zap-W`	`to download all files in a folder`
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`12:44.42`	`garou`	`jetscreamer: Same error.`
`12:44.50`	`peppet`	`Zap-W: wget -r or --mirror`
`12:45.07`	`jetscreamer`	`wildcards are not supported in http with wget`
`12:45.10`	`jetscreamer`	`ftp yes`
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`12:45.23`	`jetscreamer`	`but yeah what he siad`
`12:45.30`	`jetscreamer`	`garou: no idea then :(`
`12:45.49`	`h3sp4wn`	`Zap-W: wget -r -l1`
`12:45.55`	`Zap-W`	`peppet: can i resume in -r mode?`
`12:46.12`	`peppet`	`Zap-W: add -c`
`12:46.13`	`jetscreamer`	`-cr maybe`
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`12:52.08`	`DPackrat`	`Can anyone point me to the Pear DB package for Debian stable?`
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`12:54.14`	`peppet`	`DPackrat: it's in php4-pear`
`12:54.36`	`DPackrat`	`Does php4-pear still work if I have PHP5 installed?`
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`12:55.09`	`brainbug`	`once again PATH: after updating ~/.profile (this is the only one that exists) it works for the user "root" when I (re-)login via ssh; any way my deamon (continuum) does not find the program (mvn) in the path?`
`12:55.16`	`brainbug`	`any suggestions again?`
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`12:56.26`	`kristalino`	`how can i install libc6-2.3.6 in debian sarge ?`
`12:56.36`	`brainbug`	`as I can see the java processes by continuum in "ps -u root" I think i'm right that continuum is running as root?`
`12:56.54`	`ft`	`brainbug: is that deamon a child-process of a shell?`
`12:57.09`	`jetscreamer`	`/etc/profile maybe`
`12:57.19`	`jetscreamer`	`ah nm`
`12:57.22`	`jetscreamer`	`i know nothing`
`12:57.38`	`ft`	`daemon even.`
`12:57.57`	`brainbug`	`no it's not...`
`12:58.19`	`h3sp4wn`	`kristalino: upgrading any part of the toolchain is likely to cause you loads of problems unless you rebuild everything else`
`12:58.19`	`brainbug`	`just started via an /etc/init.d/.. script`
`12:58.34`	`peppet`	`DPackrat: php-pear replaces php4-pear with PHP5`
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`12:59.00`	`TTT`	`hi, is it possible to stream .wmv files from a linux box?`
`12:59.20`	`jetscreamer`	`think so`
`12:59.35`	`DPackrat`	`peppet: php-pear is not in the stable repos (?)`
`12:59.52`	`jetscreamer`	`if anything will, i'm sure vlc would... and others.`
`12:59.54`	`TTT`	`jetscreamer, using what software? I know icecast for mp3, but for wmv?`
`13:00.00`	`TTT`	`hmm, vlc`
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`13:00.30`	`TTT`	`jetscreamer, i mean, act as a server. I know vlc can be a client`
`13:00.33`	`DiamonD`	`hi`
`13:00.41`	`jetscreamer`	`vlc can be a server also`
`13:00.44`	`DiamonD`	`how can reconfig ddclient`
`13:00.51`	`Hoxzer`	`hmmm`
`13:00.54`	`ft`	`brainbug: add this at the start of that script (at a reasonable position): PATH=$PATH:/what/ever/additional/path ; export PATH`
`13:01.08`	`DiamonD`	`the first time there whase a''n option screen`
`13:01.09`	`Hoxzer`	`Has somebody here manage to setup ts with non hw mix card?`
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`13:01.22`	`DiamonD`	`is apt-get remove ddclient`
`13:01.24`	`DiamonD`	`enough`
`13:01.24`	`DiamonD`	`?`
`13:01.44`	`peppet`	`DPackrat: no, it's in testing`
`13:01.57`	`TTT`	`jetscreamer, thanks, i'll try it`
`13:01.59`	`jetscreamer`	`err but they seem to call it vls not vlc :)`
`13:02.08`	`ft`	`brainbug: because the shell, that runs that script is no login shell for sure and won't read /etc/profile for that reason.`
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`13:02.11`	`DPackrat`	`So I would just have to add a testing repo to my sources.list?`
`13:02.36`	`skruwilus`	`anyone who knows about a tool like tcpdump but with a webinterface?`
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`13:03.03`	`jetscreamer`	`http://www.videolan.org/vlc/streaming.html`
`13:03.13`	`stew`	`DPackrat: no, you can't mix testing packages with stable`
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`13:03.26`	`TTT`	`jetscreamer, from the page, Usage of VLC instead of VLS is advised.`
`13:03.34`	`TTT`	`i'll have to dig a bit deeper`
`13:03.42`	`jetscreamer`	`http://www.videolan.org/streaming-features.html`
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`13:03.58`	`jetscreamer`	`all i know, i don't use vlc`
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`13:04.21`	`zumbi`	`!qotd0`
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`13:04.22`	`dpkg`	`well, qotd143 is <antgel> wireless is for cocks`
`13:04.27`	`stew`	`DPackrat: if you need php5, you should be using packages from backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo`
`13:04.32`	`brainbug`	`ft: but is modifying scripts the only way to perform that? isn't there a way to set paths for non-login shells?`
`13:05.39`	`jetscreamer`	`i 'think' i saw something, somewhere, about non-login shells... if that's any help :/`
`13:06.03`	`ft`	`brainbug: AFAIK there is /etc/bash.bashrc that gets sourced. but that might be for interactive shells only... (/me is a zsh user, so i'm not that familiar with bash).`
`13:06.34`	`brainbug`	`ft: anyway, your solution works. Thanks for your help!`
`13:06.41`	`ft`	`brainbug: np.`
`13:06.51`	`brainbug`	`ft: by the way is zsh "better" than bash?`
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`13:07.35`	`tarzeau`	`how/where to ask if a new section doesn't make sense?`
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`13:07.43`	`tarzeau`	`brainbug: yes for me`
`13:07.44`	`peppet`	`brainbug: "yes"`
`13:07.53`	`ft`	`brainbug: zsh has got endless features, that are really nice if you use them.`
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`13:08.32`	`ft`	`brainbug: if you only use your shell every now and then, zsh is just another shell.`
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`13:09.38`	`h3sp4wn`	`brainbug: The completion in zsh sold it to me (never written scripts in it but it just autocompletes almost anything)`
`13:09.38`	`ft`	`brainbug: for interactive use zsh is really a charm.`
`13:09.57`	`garou`	`How can I look up with what compiler Xorg was compiled?`
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`13:10.23`	`lunaphyte_`	`i'd like to do incremental backup of a few select directories from a server - what packages come recommended for this?`
`13:10.45`	`cydork`	`lunaphyte_: rsync if you have ssh access`
`13:11.49`	`lunaphyte_`	`cydork: i do use rsync in other cases - just curious if there might be a formal package people have enjoyed using.`
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`13:12.49`	`brainbug`	`okay thanks, guys.. have to go on now. thanks for your help and hints again! bye!`
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`13:13.13`	`DiamonD`	`Hi`
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`13:13.28`	`DiamonD`	`can someone help me setup qmail on my debian server`
`13:13.28`	`DiamonD`	`?`
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`13:18.14`	`A_A`	`Where can i find xrender ?`
`13:18.30`	`abrotman`	`!search`
`13:18.31`	`dpkg`	`[search] try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>.`
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`13:18.57`	`cahoot`	`A_A: not xrandr?`
`13:19.13`	`abrotman`	`DiamonD: qmail is in non-free .. called qmail-src or qmail-source .. but unless you really want it .. most will suggest postfix or exim`
`13:19.38`	`A_A`	`Im getting an error through wine saying "cant alphablend without xrender"`
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`13:22.17`	`abrotman`	`ask #winehq what you need`
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`13:23.57`	`stew`	`A_A: what does "xdpyinfo \| grep RENDER" return? a single line, "RENDER" or nothing?`
`13:24.22`	`kristalino`	`h3sp4wn, what else can i do ?`
`13:24.46`	`h3sp4wn`	`kristalino: What do you need it for ? upgrade to etch`
`13:25.02`	`A_A`	`It returns nothing`
`13:25.48`	`stew`	`A_A: that is likely what it is talking about. RENDER should be enabled by default. i'm not sure what you'd have to do to get it working. enabling DRI perhaps?`
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`13:26.31`	`abrotman`	`i'm surprised wine looks for dri`
`13:26.32`	`dn4`	`what is a good program to back my cds up to .wav or .mp3 or .ogg`
`13:26.41`	`dn4`	`music cds`
`13:26.46`	`abrotman`	`dn4: gui or CLI ?`
`13:26.54`	`dn4`	`abrotman, gui for now`
`13:27.02`	`abrotman`	`which DE ?`
`13:27.06`	`dn4`	`sarge`
`13:27.12`	`abrotman`	`which DE/WM? :)`
`13:27.22`	`jetscreamer`	`gnome,kde, other...`
`13:27.27`	`dn4`	`Gnome`
`13:27.32`	`abrotman`	`grip or soundjuicer`
`13:28.03`	`dn4`	`thank yuo`
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`13:28.36`	`kristalino`	`h3sp4wn, i need it for aiccu ( http://www.sixxs.net/archive/sixxs/aiccu/debian/dists/ )`
`13:29.02`	`kristalino`	`i looked into backports, no libc6 updated version`
`13:29.26`	`Tallu`	`Hello. I was told to update the latest kernel patches from kernel.org.. Obviously I hate to use git, but I couldnt really find any advice on the page that would have made any sense to me`
`13:29.34`	`stew`	`kristalino: there wouldn't be a backport of libc6, at that point, you are pretty much moving to testing`
`13:29.41`	`h3sp4wn`	`kristalino: You need to be running either testing or unstable`
`13:29.54`	`kristalino`	`h3sp4wn, i wont on a server :s`
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`13:30.41`	`h3sp4wn`	`kristalino: try building it yourself (that repository is for sid)`
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`13:31.07`	`kristalino`	`h3sp4wn, do you think it's better to use .tar.gz or deb-src ?`
`13:31.31`	`h3sp4wn`	`kristalino: try deb-src and apt-get -b source (that is what I would do)`
`13:31.42`	`kristalino`	`h3sp4wn, if i use deb-src, i need to tell that the .deb generated is dependant from the old sarge libc6. How to do that ?`
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`13:32.07`	`daniele_athome`	`hello`
`13:32.14`	`daniele_athome`	`i'm installing a .deb package manually`
`13:32.20`	`azeem`	`daniele_athome: why?`
`13:32.24`	`azeem`	`try not to do that`
`13:32.26`	`daniele_athome`	`azeem, problem in preinst`
`13:32.28`	`h3sp4wn`	`kristalino: debian/control`
`13:32.31`	`daniele_athome`	`requires 1gb swap`
`13:32.35`	`azeem`	`daniele_athome: the preinst?`
`13:32.40`	`azeem`	`daniele_athome: which package is that?`
`13:32.40`	`kristalino`	`h3sp4wn, thanks. i will`
`13:32.48`	`daniele_athome`	`oracle-xe-universal`
`13:32.54`	`daniele_athome`	`not a mainstream debian package actually`
`13:32.59`	`h3sp4wn`	`kristalino: just apt-get source whatever`
`13:33.00`	`daniele_athome`	`but I must install it for school`
`13:33.06`	`h3sp4wn`	`kristalino: then debuild -uc -us`
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`13:33.30`	`abrotman`	`there's an apt source for oracle`
`13:33.37`	`daniele_athome`	`anyway i decompressed the package with dpkg -x <filename> /`
`13:33.44`	`daniele_athome`	`but dpkg does not see it`
`13:33.53`	`daniele_athome`	`I tried to add control file of oracle to /var/lib/dpkg/status`
`13:33.58`	`daniele_athome`	`but no way`
`13:34.04`	`abrotman`	`daniele_athome: there's an apt source for oracle`
`13:34.15`	`abrotman`	`!oracle`
`13:34.15`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that oracle is the world's most advanced database server, see this great installation guide: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Oracle_10g.shtml Debian packages(for Express Edition) available at http://otn.oracle.com/ or apt repository at http://oss.oracle.com/debian/`
`13:34.20`	`abrotman`	`the last link`
`13:34.32`	`daniele_athome`	`mmm`
`13:34.35`	`abrotman`	`course .. it's for unstable`
`13:34.42`	`abrotman`	`dunno if it will work on sarge/etch`
`13:34.58`	`daniele_athome`	`abrotman, sure?`
`13:35.06`	`daniele_athome`	`apt-get source oracle`
`13:35.09`	`daniele_athome`	`doesn't work`
`13:35.18`	`daniele_athome`	`ah ok`
`13:35.22`	`daniele_athome`	`sorry`
`13:35.24`	`jetscreamer`	`just tell your teacher that you compared tco's and you decided to go with an oracle hosting solution instead of running your own...`
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`13:35.31`	`daniele_athome`	`I've read just now :)`
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`13:36.36`	`abrotman`	`because .. there's no source for oracle .. it's a binary application`
`13:36.52`	`daniele_athome`	`i got it now`
`13:36.53`	`abrotman`	`and the depends look like they should work on testing`
`13:37.05`	`daniele_athome`	`abrotman, anyway is there a way to instruct manually dpkg about an installed package?`
`13:37.17`	`daniele_athome`	`just so I can use apt-get remove oracle-xe-universal`
`13:37.25`	`daniele_athome`	`to cleanup the mess i've created until now :)`
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`13:38.04`	`abrotman`	`it's your mess ...`
`13:38.15`	`abrotman`	`i don't think you acutally installed it before`
`13:38.25`	`daniele_athome`	`abrotman, not installed, just extracted`
`13:38.26`	`daniele_athome`	`dpkg -x`
`13:40.21`	`azeem`	`daniele_athome: rather disable the preinst script and install regularly`
`13:40.27`	`daniele_athome`	`mmm`
`13:40.35`	`daniele_athome`	`good idea`
`13:41.18`	`daniele_athome`	`guys`
`13:41.34`	`daniele_athome`	`mmm`
`13:43.33`	`dn4`	`myt cd rom won't eject`
`13:43.36`	`dn4`	`any ideas on how to force it?`
`13:44.05`	`beardy`	`Use the paperclip hole, that's what it's there for.`
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`13:44.30`	`Mitja`	`dn4, tried it console?`
`13:44.39`	`kristalino`	`h3sp4wn, in aiccu : Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, iputils-ping, iputils-tracepath, iproute, debconf, lsb-base (>= 1.3-9ubuntu2), gawk \| awk \| libgnutls13 ..... where is libc6 ... :s`
`13:45.46`	`h3sp4wn`	`kristalino: It wouldn't necessarily be the explicitly`
`13:46.09`	`h3sp4wn`	`kristalino: *there just dependant on the machine it was built on`
`13:46.33`	`kristalino`	`h3sp4wn, then no need to change anything in this file, isn't it ?`
`13:47.09`	`_ph00`	`I came here some days ago and asked why I kept getting gpg errors when i did apt-get update, I got some help, i instaleld a couple of apps i needed, but i keep getting those errors because apt doesn't know where the key is: how do i tell it?`
`13:47.16`	`h3sp4wn`	`kristalino: apt-cache madison lsb-base (maybe the version of that is too old)`
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`13:47.55`	`kristalino`	`h3sp4wn, lsb-base \| 2.0-7 the same for madison`
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`13:48.05`	`kristalino`	`for *lsb`
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`13:49.36`	`daniele_athome`	`azeem, how I disable the preinst script`
`13:49.36`	`daniele_athome`	`?`
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`13:50.04`	`azeem`	`daniele_athome: edit it, either comment out the stuff which is using up your resources, or just add an exit 0 at the top`
`13:50.08`	`h3sp4wn`	`kristalino: just debuild -uc -us then`
`13:50.10`	`azeem`	`the script is in /var/lib/dpkg/info`
`13:50.22`	`h3sp4wn`	`kristalino: (install anything it requires)`
`13:50.24`	`Tallu`	`I tried patch -p1 linux-2.6.18-git9 but it seems to be doing nothing at all.. what am I doing wrong?`
`13:50.38`	`azeem`	`Tallu: patch expects the patch file from stdin`
`13:50.42`	`daniele_athome`	`yes azeem but I have to edit the preinst script inside the package`
`13:50.47`	`azeem`	`Tallu: so add a < in front of the patch file`
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`13:50.53`	`kristalino`	`h3sp4wn, yeap, thanks. What is the name of the meta package that installs gcc and all packages for compilation ?`
`13:50.54`	`Tallu`	`azeem: hmm ok :)`
`13:51.00`	`h3sp4wn`	`kristalino: build-essential`
`13:51.08`	`Leonidas`	`has anyone in here successfully compiled python2.5?`
`13:51.11`	`kristalino`	`h3sp4wn, thanks.`
`13:51.12`	`azeem`	`daniele_athome: cancel the installation when it says "Configuring... "`
`13:51.19`	`azeem`	`daniele_athome: then run dpkg --configure -a`
`13:51.29`	`azeem`	`after you editted it, of course`
`13:51.34`	`Tallu`	`azeem: cheers!`
`13:51.46`	`daniele_athome`	`no azeem you don't understand`
`13:51.53`	`daniele_athome`	`dpkg doesn't reach "Configuring ...."`
`13:52.03`	`azeem`	`heh, right`
`13:52.03`	`Tallu`	`azeem: Think I'll run into trouble if I'm running 2.6.18 and I'm going to install a new version of it, only the patched one?`
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`13:52.24`	`azeem`	`daniele_athome: are you sure it's the preinst?`
`13:52.32`	`daniele_athome`	`yeah azeem I read it`
`13:52.45`	`azeem`	`daniele_athome: is another version of that package already installed?`
`13:52.57`	`daniele_athome`	`no of course`
`13:53.02`	`daniele_athome`	`azeem, what about recreating the package?`
`13:53.03`	`azeem`	`daniele_athome: maybe try dpkg --unpack`
`13:53.15`	`daniele_athome`	`I mean deb packages are ar archives`
`13:53.23`	`daniele_athome`	`just extract, edit and then repack`
`13:53.25`	`daniele_athome`	`should work`
`13:53.29`	`azeem`	`or that`
`13:53.43`	`azeem`	`there's a dpkg option to ignore maintainer files as well I think`
`13:54.06`	`daniele_athome`	`mmm`
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`13:56.36`	`Tallu`	`Ok now I'm running into a problem like this: The changelog says we are creating 2.6.18. However, I though the version is 2.6.18-git9 exit 4, exit, sanity check error 4`
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`14:06.01`	`daniele_athome`	`azeem, it's working`
`14:06.07`	`daniele_athome`	`i recreated the package with ar`
`14:06.33`	`daniele_athome`	`mmm`
`14:06.34`	`daniele_athome`	`great`
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`14:08.22`	`dererk[]`	`Hi there`
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`14:09.26`	`dererk[]`	`Do you have an idea why I can't mount this raid: mdadm: Cannot open /dev/hda2: Device or resource busy`
`14:09.26`	`dererk[]`	`mdadm: create aborted ?`
`14:11.39`	`dererk[]`	`That disk has 2 raid partitions, and I already mounted the first one without problems...`
`14:11.49`	`dererk[]`	`I simply don't understand :\`
`14:11.55`	`wols`	`dererk[]: lsof it`
`14:12.49`	`dererk[]`	`lsof /dev/hda2`
`14:12.49`	`dererk[]`	`root@0:~#`
`14:12.57`	`dererk[]`	`Nothing :(`
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`14:13.33`	`wols`	`afuser?`
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`14:15.01`	`dererk[]`	`wols, I forgot to mention that I'm on a livecd just started`
`14:15.59`	`dererk[]`	`Any idea?`
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`14:19.22`	`wols`	`what kind of livecd? cause it certainly can't be debian`
`14:20.57`	`dererk[]`	`cat /proc/version`
`14:20.57`	`dererk[]`	`Linux version 2.6.16-1-x86-finnix (root@humorbot) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060212 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-9)) #1 SMP Sun Mar 26 18:39:40 PST 2006`
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`14:22.20`	`wols`	`finnix?`
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`14:24.13`	`wols`	`"Finnix is a self-contained, bootable Linux CD distribution ("LiveCD") for system administrators, based on Debian testing."`
`14:24.14`	`nicolas_`	`hi`
`14:24.20`	`wols`	`so not debian. HTH. HAND`
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`14:25.11`	`nicolas_`	`i got a new fresh sarge install and im trying to get all the rest installed from source with commands like apt-build install xserver-xfree86 but it installs the binary package.. does anyone have a tip on how to do this ?`
`14:25.34`	`jetscreamer`	`he's trying to tell you that #debian doesn't like to support based-on-debian`
`14:26.08`	`jetscreamer`	`why apt-build vs apt-get install ?`
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`14:26.23`	`wols`	`jetscreamer: apt-get install won't compile...`
`14:26.25`	`nicolas_`	`jetscreamer: for optimization`
`14:26.28`	`Braindead`	`because it's zomg optimized --funroll-loops`
`14:26.38`	`wols`	`nicolas_: if you want to do it from source. use gento. debian is a binary distro for a reason`
`14:26.49`	`jetscreamer`	`well it is supported`
`14:26.55`	`jetscreamer`	`so how does it work`
`14:26.56`	`nicolas_`	`wols: there are source repositories also for a reason`
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`14:27.19`	`wols`	`not compile a full distro....`
`14:27.21`	`jetscreamer`	`i'd help you if i could but i've never done it`
`14:27.22`	`wols`	`otherwise there were only source`
`14:27.29`	`cydork`	`nicolas_: apt-build can build most of the stuff.`
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`14:27.45`	`wols`	`and debian MUST hav source repositories. Notice all the strange DFSG and social contract thing. very strange that`
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`14:28.03`	`jetscreamer`	`oh so there is no apt-build`
`14:28.06`	`jetscreamer`	`nm`
`14:28.26`	`nicolas_`	`cydork: what kind of things cannot be build with it?`
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`14:28.36`	`Yamaraj`	`In Fedora, I can do a"yumdownloader --resolve xyz" to download xyz along with all dependencies in a local directory. What needs to be done in Debian to achieve the same?`
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`14:28.41`	`wols`	`nicolas_: but if you insist: apt-get source`
`14:28.53`	`wols`	`Yamaraj: man apt-get`
`14:28.59`	`cydork`	`nicolas_: check /usr/share/doc/apt-build/README.Debian`
`14:29.11`	`jetscreamer`	`Yamaraj: apt-get install <package> usually works`
`14:29.16`	`jetscreamer`	`or use aptitude`
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`14:29.33`	`jetscreamer`	`Yamaraj: see also apt-cache search`
`14:29.34`	`h3sp4wn`	`you can use apt-build world`
`14:29.44`	`Yamaraj`	`I would like to have the packages with all necessary dependencies to install on other offline systems.`
`14:29.45`	`wols`	`and if you want to install those downloaded packages later on another PC: use apt-zip`
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`14:30.23`	`h3sp4wn`	`Or just nfs mount /var/cache/apt/archives`
`14:30.37`	`nicolas_`	`wols: thx :)`
`14:30.41`	`roe`	`does anyone know a one-liner to prepend the ping output with a time stamp?`
`14:30.42`	`nicolas_`	`cydork: ok thx`
`14:30.59`	`Yamaraj`	`Alright. I'll look into the possibilities. Thanks!`
`14:31.02`	`wols`	`h3sp4wn: if he had network connection, he wouldn't need to download them on another system :)`
`14:31.07`	`dererk[]`	`<wols> so not debian.`
`14:31.25`	`dererk[]`	`wols, do you know any official debian livecd ?`
`14:31.28`	`dererk[]`	`'cause I don't`
`14:31.59`	`wols`	`no I don't, as I said. but we only support debian. how should we know why another distro does what it does?`
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`14:32.03`	`dn4`	`I have a LAzy boy for a computer chair now`
`14:32.11`	`wols`	`we can't, so we don't support it`
`14:32.20`	`dererk[]`	`<jetscreamer> he's trying to tell you that #debian doesn't like to support based-on-debian`
`14:32.36`	`cydork`	`dn4: damn you! :P`
`14:32.39`	`dererk[]`	`jetscreamer, IT IS a debian`
`14:32.45`	`dererk[]`	`But RAID has blow up`
`14:32.48`	`wols`	`!based on debian`
`14:32.48`	`dpkg`	`You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis>`
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`14:33.03`	`dererk[]`	`and I don't know how to fix it, so I'm on a livecd`
`14:33.12`	`wols`	`dererk[]: but we cannot know what files this distro opens and why. so we cannot do anything about it. ask finnix.org, not us`
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`14:33.22`	`dererk[]`	`...`
`14:33.30`	`dererk[]`	`I see you don't understand`
`14:33.39`	`abrotman`	`BLOW UP!`
`14:33.41`	`jetscreamer`	`dererk[]: i know nothing about raid.`
`14:33.47`	`wols`	`dererk[]: then we apparently have omething in common`
`14:33.48`	`dn4`	`ubber l33t sauce skeet skeet!`
`14:33.51`	`jetscreamer`	`i think lhe means he has debian but has to use a live cd to fix it`
`14:33.55`	`dererk[]`	`Tell me how could I diagnosticate the problem wols`
`14:34.08`	`abrotman`	`dererk[]: you're triyng to use a liveCD to repair a debian installation ?`
`14:34.09`	`dererk[]`	`jetscreamer, I certainly do`
`14:34.25`	`dererk[]`	`abrotman, I won't ask this here in other way`
`14:34.27`	`wols`	`jetscreamer: I know. but we cannot know what /dev files this finnix locks or why. so he has to ask finnix devs. It's a finnix error message...`
`14:34.34`	`abrotman`	`dererk[]: what is your native language?`
`14:34.39`	`dererk[]`	`spanish`
`14:34.50`	`abrotman`	`would it be easier for you to get help in spanish?`
`14:34.57`	`jetscreamer`	`are you the same derek i know?`
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`14:35.07`	`abrotman`	`!es`
`14:35.08`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`14:35.08`	`dererk[]`	`I'm on debian-es an nobody knows`
`14:35.11`	`abrotman`	`ah ok`
`14:35.16`	`dererk[]`	`jetscreamer, indeed`
`14:35.19`	`abrotman`	`just thought i'd make you aware of an alternative`
`14:35.24`	`jetscreamer`	`yeah he runs debian`
`14:35.26`	`dererk[]`	`abrotman, thanks`
`14:35.33`	`jetscreamer`	`:)`
`14:35.48`	`jetscreamer`	`even does the spanish channel bot based on dpkg`
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`14:36.15`	`cydork`	`jetscreamer: based on dpkg? :P`
`14:36.26`	`jetscreamer`	`you know what i mean`
`14:36.34`	`cydork`	`hehh`
`14:36.48`	`wols`	`jetscreamer: "hear what I mean, not what I say" :)`
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`14:37.10`	`wols`	`jetscreamer: you aren't female, are you? g`
`14:37.18`	`dererk[]`	`:-s`
`14:37.24`	`dererk[]`	`plop`
`14:38.04`	`jetscreamer`	`i want a dock`
`14:38.18`	`wols`	`then get osx`
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`14:39.04`	`jetscreamer`	`dererk[]: you should use #kanotix not whatever that is'`
`14:39.05`	`h3sp4wn`	`engage is a pretty good dock (and doesn't need all of e17 can be used with other wm's)`
`14:39.10`	`jetscreamer`	`to fix stuff`
`14:39.21`	`jetscreamer`	`better help, too :)`
`14:39.25`	`jetscreamer`	`j/k`
`14:39.27`	`h3sp4wn`	`kanotix doesn't support software raid`
`14:39.34`	`dererk[]`	`jetscreamer, :-\`
`14:40.06`	`jetscreamer`	`i have a raid card... just no raided drives.`
`14:40.30`	`wols`	`fakeraid?`
`14:41.18`	`jetscreamer`	`hardware afaik. it's an addin pata one. for the 8 hd's kind of thing.`
`14:41.56`	`jetscreamer`	`which brings meback to why i hate udev, or the current implementation of it... aka i hate greg.`
`14:42.04`	`jetscreamer`	`or whoever.`
`14:43.01`	`petemc`	`whys that then?`
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`14:43.54`	`DiamonD`	`Hi`
`14:44.10`	`DiamonD`	`does someone have experince installingen qmail on debian`
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`14:44.25`	`DiamonD`	`i want to setup a multi mail server for more then 2 domains`
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`14:44.44`	`petemc`	`DiamonD: do you know qmail already?`
`14:44.45`	`wols`	`DiamonD: why qmail?`
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`14:45.06`	`Ronin`	`DiamonD: piece of cake actually`
`14:45.09`	`wols`	`jetscreamer: unless it costs >200, it's fakeraid`
`14:45.20`	`jetscreamer`	`then it is`
`14:45.21`	`stew`	`not when you buy smart on ebay! :)`
`14:45.24`	`Braindead`	`DiamonD: http://www.starbsd.org/misc/why-not-qmail.png`
`14:45.34`	`Ronin`	`heh Braindead`
`14:45.35`	`wols`	`ok, 200 new of course`
`14:45.36`	`jetscreamer`	`i got the cheapest`
`14:45.38`	`DiamonD`	`now.. i just want a multi mail server for more then 2 domains have you guys any suggestions`
`14:45.38`	`DiamonD`	`?`
`14:45.40`	`jetscreamer`	`new`
`14:45.48`	`Ronin`	`DiamonD: ya qmail and vqadmin`
`14:45.49`	`jetscreamer`	`hey works fine in linux, native.`
`14:45.51`	`wols`	`DiamonD: exim4 or postfix`
`14:46.11`	`jetscreamer`	`but then there's.... udev`
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`14:46.18`	`jetscreamer`	`or initrd`
`14:46.25`	`jetscreamer`	`works fine w/o initrd`
`14:46.38`	`Ronin`	`DiamonD: http://www.shupp.org/toaster/`
`14:46.42`	`jetscreamer`	`but it worked fine with initrd before udev`
`14:46.51`	`jetscreamer`	`so who you gonna call`
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`14:47.15`	`Ronin`	`ghostbusters?`
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`14:47.25`	`jetscreamer`	`yep.`
`14:47.36`	`jetscreamer`	`phantom error`
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`14:47.55`	`Tallu`	`What would be a best way for me to add a user that only has access to /home/cvs and doesnt even have a home dir. I just want him to be able to log in with extssh to update cvs`
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`14:48.21`	`Jemt`	`Greetz. Does someone know how the package w3c-markup-validator works ? I have just installed it, and I know have a "linkchecker" folder in my apache directory - but no validating service as far as I can see`
`14:48.21`	`MatBoy`	`If someone is using VMware workstation here, son;t upgrade to 5.5.2.... it's really Buggy !!`
`14:48.37`	`MatBoy`	`s/so'nt/don't`
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`14:49.13`	`dob1`	`hi, if i want a partition accessible from windows and linux (read/write) the only filesystem that i can use is fat32 ?`
`14:49.32`	`sussudio`	`dob1: yes`
`14:49.37`	`Jemt`	`dob1: I wouldn't recommend NTFS as it is experimental`
`14:50.11`	`MatBoy`	`Jemt, is that the new written version to support it for NTFS ?`
`14:50.13`	`dob1`	`there is no driver for windows for any linux fs, like reiserfs, xfs etc ? (not the explore2fs program)`
`14:50.14`	`stew`	`dob1: there are ways of reading/writing to ext2 from windows, but they are not as safe as using fat32`
`14:50.17`	`h3sp4wn`	`dob1: there are ext3 drivers for windows (maybe also reiserfs)`
`14:50.28`	`Jemt`	`dob1: You could also make an EXT3 partition and use an EXT3 Filesystem browser on Windows. I would recommend that solution as FAT32 really sux. I have lost way to much data on that FS`
`14:50.41`	`DiamonD`	`ronin`
`14:50.43`	`DiamonD`	`why toaster`
`14:50.44`	`DiamonD`	`?`
`14:51.19`	`stew`	`Jemt: the chances of losing data on fat32 from either os have to be far lower than writing to ext2 from windows would be`
`14:51.21`	`Jemt`	`dob1: I disagree. FAT32 have no journals and crashes might leave you with inconsistent data`
`14:51.50`	`stew`	`Jemt: xfs has journals, and crashes often leave you with inconsistent data`
`14:51.50`	`dob1`	`Jemt: ok but the program you suggest is instable too, as i read`
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`14:52.11`	`Jemt`	`stew: Really ? I'm using a tool from Symantec`
`14:52.13`	`Yamaraj`	`Which fs is good for a laptop, with no heavy I/O operations but a lot of small files? I'm currently using ReiserFS 3.6, but the mount times are long. Should I try XFS?`
`14:52.17`	`SlayerXP`	`you are both confusing "consistent data" and "consistent filesystem"`
`14:52.35`	`Jemt`	`The best solution is probably a fileserver then`
`14:52.36`	`SlayerXP`	`most journalling filesystems are talking about fs integrity _not_ data integrity`
`14:52.39`	`Ronin`	`DiamonD: well if you dont like that one theres lwq, live with qmail as well`
`14:53.15`	`MatBoy`	`Jemt, is the SID-NTFS version the rewritten version ?`
`14:53.16`	`DiamonD`	`debian doesn''t have jum right ;/`
`14:53.20`	`DiamonD`	`yum`
`14:53.23`	`Jemt`	`dob1: If possible, set up a Linux file server using Samba. That will enable both your Windows PC and Linux PC to read/write without problems`
`14:53.31`	`Jemt`	`MatBoy: No idea, sorry`
`14:53.33`	`DiamonD`	`*`
`14:53.44`	`MatBoy`	`Jemt, ok thanks`
`14:53.48`	`Jemt`	`:)`
`14:53.51`	`dob1`	`Jemt: ok i need another pc for this :)`
`14:53.56`	`Jemt`	`True :)`
`14:54.04`	`Ronin`	`DiamonD: no it has apt-get but qmail is only in src form in it due to licensing`
`14:54.06`	`Jemt`	`Or just switch entirely to Linux ;)`
`14:54.09`	`MatBoy`	`cydork, did you try vmWorkstation 5.5.1 already with any-any ?`
`14:54.13`	`Jemt`	`dob1: What keeps you back ? :)`
`14:54.19`	`stew`	`dob1: just use fat32`
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`14:54.41`	`Yamaraj`	`FAT32 has an annoying 4GB file limit.`
`14:54.55`	`Jemt`	`No`
`14:54.55`	`dob1`	`ok fat32 seems the only good solution`
`14:55.10`	`Ronin`	`Yamaraj: and you have files over a 4gig size?`
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`14:55.24`	`cydork`	`MatBoy: Yep it works.`
`14:55.25`	`Yamaraj`	`Ronin: Of course, I do.`
`14:55.32`	`Braindead`	`pr0n dvd images`
`14:55.40`	`DiamonD`	`ok.`
`14:55.42`	`Yamaraj`	`Nah! Debian DVD ISOs.`
`14:55.43`	`Ronin`	`Braindead: thats what i was thinking too ;)`
`14:55.52`	`mikeX`	`hello, for some time now, most of the scripts in /etc/init.d keep printing this obscure message: chdir: No such file or directory`
`14:55.59`	`MatBoy`	`cydork, great ! I almost knew it for sure.. have you tried first to run the normal config-script from vmware ?`
`14:56.02`	`mikeX`	`http://pastebin.ca/184993 this illustrates it better`
`14:56.17`	`DiamonD`	`ronin so qmail can work on my debian server with multi mail server for 2 domains`
`14:56.17`	`DiamonD`	`?`
`14:56.23`	`Jemt`	`Yamaraj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table`
`14:56.35`	`Ronin`	`DiamonD: of course, so can any mta if you configure it that way`
`14:57.00`	`MatBoy`	`Yamaraj, did you solved the SATA-problem ?`
`14:57.22`	`Yamaraj`	`Jemt: It clearly states the max filesize limit of FAT32 as 4GiB.`
`14:57.26`	`DiamonD`	`ok :)`
`14:57.41`	`Jemt`	`Yamaraj: No it dosn't`
`14:57.48`	`jelly`	`mikeX: add a set -x at the beginning of a script (after the #!/bin/sh line) and run it again`
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`14:58.14`	`Yamaraj`	`MatBoy: Not completely. DVDs still not mount automatically, but if I click on the CDROM icon in Computer, it mounts and shows on desktop. Strange!`
`14:58.23`	`Yamaraj`	`Jemt: Yes. It does!`
`14:58.33`	`MatBoy`	`Yamaraj, that is normal`
`14:58.48`	`MatBoy`	`Yamaraj, you can automate it with automount or such thing`
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`14:59.21`	`Jemt`	`Yahovah: Ah, sorry. I though we were speaking of partition size. If you are refering to file size, you are right.`
`14:59.36`	`Yamaraj`	`MatBoy: But this is with my custom kernel,when I disabled IDE completely. With default Debian kernel, there is no mounting at all.`
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`14:59.57`	`Yamaraj`	`Jemt: It did occur to me that you were thinking about volume size limit.`
`15:00.10`	`Jemt`	`Yamaraj: :)`
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`15:00.31`	`MatBoy`	`Yamaraj, aha !! did you used encached (or how do I type it) in you BIOS on that channel ?`
`15:00.37`	`garo`	`I'm running stable but a backport that i want to install depends on a package that i can't find in backports, only in unstable, how should i install it ?`
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`15:01.13`	`Yamaraj`	`MatBoy: No BIOS tinkering at all. There are not many options in this IBM ThinkPad BIOS anyway.`
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`15:01.38`	`MatBoy`	`Yamaraj, ah indeed.. it was a laptop :) I'm glad you found it out !`
`15:01.52`	`Yamaraj`	`:-)`
`15:01.59`	`miro`	`hi any one knews where can i find python-devel for debian (cant find it in apt get) Please no Google`
`15:02.15`	`MatBoy`	`Yamaraj, in some way with that converting-part it's almost logical`
`15:02.23`	`mikeX`	`jelly: http://pastebin.ca/184999`
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`15:03.07`	`MatBoy`	`Yamaraj, in encached mode a SATA disk is being found as SCSI disk... but it combines IDE/SCSI on the system itself it I say it right`
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`15:03.28`	`Yamaraj`	`MatBoy: Yes, the problem can be blamed on the SATA-PATA bridge and interfaces.`
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`15:04.02`	`MatBoy`	`Yamaraj, in your case you didn't want to have IDE... it's all converted to SATA/SCSI`
`15:04.09`	`tuxedup`	`out of curiosity what is the status on debian/hurd, is it still being developed, or has it gone stagnent?`
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`15:04.17`	`MatBoy`	`Yamaraj, so you Distro got confused`
`15:04.22`	`MatBoy`	`*your`
`15:04.27`	`Yamaraj`	`MatBoy: Exactly! This is why I disabled IDE subsystem completely in my custom kernel.`
`15:04.35`	`garo`	`miro: searching in google with: python-dev debian gave me this as 3d result : http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=python-dev&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all`
`15:05.28`	`garo`	`which tells me that it is in woody,sarge,etch and sid`
`15:05.29`	`miro`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:05.33`	`MatBoy`	`Yamaraj, great man ! I had problems 3 years ago with SATA and SWraid and Debian and Supermicro boards. It's good for your skills ;)`
`15:05.46`	`MatBoy`	`Yamaraj, just logicals`
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`15:06.02`	`Yamaraj`	`Yep. :-)`
`15:06.04`	`GillaGal`	`anyone know of a good how-to for htaccess under apache2?`
`15:06.13`	`MatBoy`	`OK, I'm off !`
`15:06.18`	`garo`	`miro: debian rarely uses 'devel', most of the time it calls it 'dev'`
`15:06.27`	`Yamaraj`	`See ya.`
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`15:06.30`	`MatBoy`	`bye !`
`15:07.13`	`Tallu`	`How can I keep someone from accessing the system with a shell?`
`15:07.26`	`petemc`	`Tallu: dont give them a login`
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`15:07.37`	`Tallu`	`petemc: they need one for cvs`
`15:07.56`	`abrotman`	`Tallu: ask #cvs .. but i don't think they do`
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`15:08.05`	`baldr`	`hi, all... someone using the XFS filesystem?`
`15:08.13`	`Tallu`	`abrotman: hmm.. well its tunneled through ssh`
`15:08.17`	`abrotman`	`baldr: many people`
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`15:08.27`	`mama_pitufo`	hello, I'm trying to run some commands when I load a module (ipw3945) and I've put some instructions in /etc/modprobe.d/ to do this. When I load the module with a explicit `modprobe ipw3945` everything works as expected, but when the system boots and udev loads the module, the commands don't get run. What command does udev use to load modules?
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`15:08.53`	`jelly`	`mikeX: something in "usplash_write" function is doing chdir. find that function (probably in /lib/lsb/init-functions) and see what does it do.`
`15:08.57`	`baldr`	`abrotman: is it fastest than Reiser?`
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`15:09.20`	`beardy`	`Use ext3.`
`15:09.30`	`jelly`	`baldr: do you have backups?`
`15:09.37`	`mikeX`	`jelly: ok, thanks : )`
`15:09.38`	`baldr`	`no`
`15:09.54`	`jelly`	`baldr: do you have uninterrupted power supply?`
`15:09.58`	`stew`	`baldr: xfs has a tendency to loose data if you have a power failure`
`15:10.02`	`garo`	`I'm running stable but a backport that i want to install depends on a package that i can't find in backports, only in unstable, how should i install it ?`
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`15:10.05`	`baldr`	`I would use XFS in a partition apart for multimedia streaming..`
`15:10.18`	`Yamaraj`	`Is reiser4 technically unstable or politically?`
`15:10.28`	`wols`	`!tell garo about simple sid backport`
`15:10.39`	`jelly`	`Yamaraj: a bit of both.`
`15:10.40`	`h3sp4wn`	`Yamaraj: technically`
`15:11.09`	`Yamaraj`	`Though, most media reports stress more on the later.`
`15:11.11`	`beardy`	`!choose fs`
`15:11.23`	`stew`	`Yamaraj: we've seen a number of people in here recently with filesystem corruption in reiser, stuff like the permissions were showing up as "?---------" instead of rwxr-wr-w, and files showing up in ls but giving "file not found' when trying to run stat`
`15:11.35`	`jelly`	`stew: reiser4?`
`15:11.38`	`beardy`	`!choose fs rule`
`15:11.38`	`dpkg`	`If you have to ask, and you don't have any reason not to, use ext3. So do it, use ext3.`
`15:11.48`	`wols`	`stew: reiser4?`
`15:11.55`	`jelly`	`heh`
`15:11.58`	`stew`	`actually i'm not sure`
`15:11.59`	`mikeX`	`jelly: aha, guess installing the bootsplash package was at fault`
`15:12.11`	`garo`	`!tell wols thanks`
`15:12.12`	`h3sp4wn`	`reiser4 is worse than 3 in terms of corrupting the fs`
`15:12.16`	`garo`	`i wonder if that works...`
`15:12.47`	`Yamaraj`	`h3sp4wn: Better than XFS, though?`
`15:12.47`	`madclicker`	`anyone using kmail?`
`15:12.47`	`garo`	`wols: thanks`
`15:12.48`	`beardy`	`madclicker: Ask a real question.`
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`15:13.30`	`h3sp4wn`	`Yamaraj: Maybe slightly (I have only ever used XFS on IRIX when it was absolutely rock solid)`
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`15:15.01`	`baldr`	`please, what is the fastes JVM?`
`15:15.05`	`madclicker`	`hi, how can i prevent kmail from poping up imap warning messages, I never had them before and with some updates to my distro it keeps messing things up`
`15:15.34`	`madclicker`	`"Mails on the server in folder IMAP Account/inbox/Logchek were deleted. Do you want to delete them locally?"`
`15:15.35`	`beardy`	`madclicker: Ask in the channel of your distro.`
`15:15.38`	`madclicker`	`shit like this`
`15:15.44`	`Yamaraj`	`JFS isn't very reliable either. In stead of porting a dozen filesystems to Linux, developers should concentrate on one project and enhance it. I hope ext4 will be better and even more stable.`
`15:16.15`	`abrotman`	`!fs comparison`
`15:16.16`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html`
`15:16.26`	`abrotman`	`baldr: ask #java`
`15:16.32`	`madclicker`	`sweet`
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`15:17.41`	`mikeX`	`Yamaraj: I'm using xfs on a system that often has power failures (no ups) and never saw any serious corruption, just the ocassional garbled file`
`15:17.57`	`Braindead`	`mikeX: you're lucky...`
`15:18.32`	`mikeX`	`Yamaraj: on the other hand, I lost a whole home partition once, when I accidentally switched the powersupply off and on real quick`
`15:18.43`	`mikeX`	`Braindead: so you have experienced problems?`
`15:19.23`	`Braindead`	`mikeX: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html read the part about bigger capacitors....`
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`15:20.25`	`Yamaraj`	`I lost a whole partiton to XFS once. It was beyond repair and all node tables are truncated.`
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`15:21.29`	`gimmulf`	`How do i set my terminal language to swedish, by mistake did LANG=C`
`15:21.43`	`mikeX`	`Braindead: aah yes, I think I've read this somewhere before`
`15:23.19`	`Yamaraj`	`Braindead: Good call. Now I don't want XFS even on my ThinkPad.`
`15:23.48`	`Tallu`	`If I set someones shell to /bin/false would they still be able to use ssh to get to the cvs?`
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`15:24.18`	`bedboi`	`hi there`
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`15:24.40`	`stew`	`Tallu: no. you might have a look at rssh`
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`15:25.54`	`bedboi`	`i have a problem with dvdauthor. The dvd that it creates has a title with two audio tracks, an AC3 5ch track (which shouldn't be there) and a 2 channel mp2 channel (the right one)`
`15:25.56`	`Tallu`	`stew: sounds exactly like what I need.. great. :)`
`15:26.32`	`bedboi`	`the problem is that when i burn the dvd i get the AC3 audio track as default which is actually empty`
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`15:33.45`	`Bombo`	`hmmm does debian run xfs_check on boot time? like e2fsck?`
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`15:34.43`	`jelly`	`Bombo: it runs fsck.XXX for every filesystem in /etc/fstab that has a non-zero last column`
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`15:36.19`	`amee2k`	`is there a command line tool to convert ODS to CSV?`
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`15:43.11`	`abrotman`	`amee2k: wtf is ODS ?`
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`15:43.24`	`jelly`	`sounds like open document thingy`
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`15:43.34`	`nvz`	`abrotman: I been sitting here wondering the same thing`
`15:43.36`	`abrotman`	`sounds like a better place to ask might be #openoffice.org`
`15:43.41`	`jelly`	`so, openoffice.org 2.0 probably`
`15:44.16`	`nvz`	`Obcanska demokraticka strana? ozone-depeleting substances? office of dietary supplements?`
`15:44.21`	`dotcomguy`	`I'm having problems with resolvconf. I want to change my nameservers. I changed them in /etc/network/interfaces and restarted networking, bu they haven't changed. Do I need to do something different?`
`15:44.42`	`amee2k`	`Open Document Spreadsheet`
`15:44.43`	`wols`	`dotcomguy: /etc/resolv.conf`
`15:44.57`	`jelly`	`nvz: I didn't know ozone had pelets.`
`15:45.19`	`nvz`	`jelly: apperently not anymore :P`
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`15:45.40`	`amee2k`	`dotcomguy: maybe your dhcp client is overwriting them when you bring the interface up`
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`15:46.01`	`dotcomguy`	`There is no dhcp`
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`15:46.13`	`wols`	`does /etc/network/interfaces have a nameserver setting? can't find anything in the manpage after a cursorc search`
`15:46.19`	`jelly`	`nvz: where'd ya find that political party in a Slovene language`
`15:46.34`	`nvz`	`jelly: those were the top 3 hits on google`
`15:46.37`	`jelly`	`oh`
`15:46.38`	`dotcomguy`	`wols: Yeah, I specified the nameservers in /etc/network/interfaceds`
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`15:46.48`	`sineer`	`Hello fellow debian hackers! I've got about automating debian setup...`
`15:46.56`	`s1xtw0`	`need help...tried to join #python ...it says need to be identified to join`
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`15:46.57`	`wols`	`dotcomguy: and what would be the option for that?`
`15:47.01`	`s1xtw0`	`how do i do that?`
`15:47.07`	`amee2k`	`just change resolv.conf. you don't need to restart your interface to apply the settings. looks like something is overwriting your settings in ifup`
`15:47.11`	`wols`	`s1xtw0: /msg nickserv help`
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`15:47.16`	`s1xtw0`	`thanks`
`15:47.22`	`dotcomguy`	`I have: dns-nameservers xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx`
`15:47.41`	`wols`	`there is no "nameserver" opion according to the manpage`
`15:47.49`	`dotcomguy`	`wols: It's specific to resolvconf`
`15:48.04`	`dotcomguy`	`amee2k: My concern is that I don't want resolvconf reverting if the machine reboots ;)`
`15:48.06`	`grendelson`	`I've setup exim to act as a relat to gmail so I can use text based mail toosl and sedn out. BUT now all my mail for root and me like cron jobs backups etc tried to go to root@localhost.localdomain and gets sent to gmail when it fails since localhost.localdomain is not known by DNS (I added localhost.localdomain to hosts and added settings to exim to not try dns ... I'm stuck anyone know how I can get root mail to keep going to my m`
`15:48.06`	`grendelson`	`box even when I have exim setup to relay?`
`15:48.13`	`sineer`	`I've ended up with the responsibility of setting up all the Debian workstation for my fellow programmers at work... I've made a local debian mirror of Etch 32bit.... But for now, I'm still stucked installing from netboot cd then selecting the 'baseline' packages manually...`
`15:49.11`	`ofer0`	`sineer, what is the disk space usage for that repo?`
`15:49.14`	`sineer`	`I'm wondering if anyone here have tips on how to setup a custom flavored Debian base install (CD or netboot) that I could quickly and painlessly deploy on the developers PCs...`
`15:49.18`	`sineer`	`ofer0, 25G`
`15:49.27`	`ofer0`	`sineer, thanks for the information`
`15:49.32`	`sineer`	`ofer0, eventually I want to clean up unused packaged...`
`15:49.32`	`Bombo`	`fsck.xfs is called by the generic Linux fsck(8) program at startup to check and repair an XFS filesystem. XFS is a journaling filesystem and performs recovery at mount(8) time if necessary, so fsck.xfs simply exits with a zero exit status.`
`15:49.51`	`amee2k`	`dotcomguy: are the server listed in /etc/network/interfaces the same that are written to /etc/resolv.conf when you restart the interface?`
`15:50.30`	`ofer0`	`sineer, I wrote a small bash script for that purpose. you install debian, run the script, and you're okay`
`15:50.31`	`Bombo`	`so debian does not check xfs at all, i just did xfs_check the partition and it found several unlinked inodes i got ~50 files in /lost+found now`
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`15:50.51`	`cydork`	`sineer: you check preseed also`
`15:51.00`	`dotcomguy`	`amee2k: The server specified in /etc/resolv.conf remains the same after specifying new nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces and restarting networking (/etc/init.d/networking restart)`
`15:51.15`	`dotcomguy`	`I believe I"ve also done ifdown/ifup`
`15:51.33`	`ofer0`	`dotcomguy, why don't you just chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf ?`
`15:51.53`	`sineer`	`ofer0, cool! Could I perhaps have a copy of your script? I'm thinking of writing one myself but it would be much easier to have something to begin from...`
`15:51.58`	`jelly`	`sineer: apart from preseed, you can also make a tar.gz or ext2 image of a system that's already set up, then deploy that image.`
`15:52.00`	`sineer`	`cydork, pressed ugh. I'll google for that`
`15:52.16`	`cydork`	`!tell sineer about preseed`
`15:52.26`	`sineer`	`Jelly yeah, my current quick fix solution is to ghost an image...`
`15:52.39`	`dotcomguy`	`oferG: Because I'd like to know how it's supposed to be done. I can resort to that if I have to`
`15:53.00`	`sineer`	`but I've been with debian for 10+ yrs and I just know there has to be something out there (possibly pressed uh) todo it for me :)`
`15:53.34`	`cydork`	`sineer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed`
`15:53.41`	`ofer0`	`sineer, I'm sorry but this script is not my property, it's my comapny's. Anyway this script won't suite you because it install my company's developer system on each workstation. the script consists of a couple "aptitude install ..." and file copy.`
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`15:54.45`	`sineer`	`ofer0, ok no prob. I understand :) I was thinking of doing a similar script except with synaptic... :)`
`15:54.52`	`Nwallins`	`Hi, I am trying to do a fresh install of an Etch Netinst disc that I downloaded and burned about 9 months ago. The install is failing when the cd drive cannot be mounted. any workarounds? would a newer netinst disc really help?`
`15:54.56`	`sineer`	`thanks cydork I'm looking into it :)`
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`15:55.06`	`sineer`	`thanks ya'll, your all super useful as always :)`
`15:55.21`	`ofer0`	`Nwallins, is the disk damaged?`
`15:55.39`	`cydork`	`Nwallins: sata cddrive?`
`15:55.39`	`Nwallins`	`ofer0: no, it was slightly dusty but I cleaned it gently`
`15:55.52`	`apophis`	`hello what i need to type to mount ntfs fs forever?`
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`15:56.03`	`ofer0`	`apophis, use /etc/fstab`
`15:56.09`	`apophis`	`okay`
`15:56.12`	`ofer0`	`man fstab`
`15:56.15`	`Nwallins`	`cydork: I don't think so. it's an HP box, heavy chassis, 2.8 Processor, sits horizontal`
`15:56.28`	`Nwallins`	`it may be SATA inside, haven't looked`
`15:56.34`	`petemc`	`the mount manpage is kinda heavy going just to learn how to add an ntfs drive`
`15:56.50`	`apophis`	`thank you all!`
`15:56.59`	`cydork`	`!etch sata`
`15:56.59`	`dpkg`	`If you have a SATA Atapi CD-ROM drive, you may run into some problems while installing Debian etch. Check for details http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataAtapiHowto`
`15:57.12`	`petemc`	`apophis: /dev/hdaN /mnt/foo ntfs umask=022`
`15:57.15`	`Nwallins`	`cydork: I'll check the h/w and link... thanks`
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`15:57.25`	`SleekSlackerz`	`hi`
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`15:57.34`	`cydork`	`Nwallins: try that if it's sata that should work. otherwise get a newer installer :P`
`15:57.38`	`SleekSlackerz`	`anyone running an obby server here ?`
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`15:58.16`	`SlackRat`	`arg.....14 hours after a netinstall of testing and still no sound except the alarm bells that wont stop when i start up gaim.....ack!`
`15:58.29`	`Nwallins`	`cydork: at the boot prompt, type "install libata.atapi_enabled=1" can I still get the 2.6 kernel too?`
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`15:58.46`	`cydork`	`Nwallins: etch has 2.6 by default`
`15:58.51`	`Nwallins`	`oh, sweet`
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`15:59.33`	`cydork`	`Nwallins: acutlly it doesn't have 2.4 :P`
`15:59.50`	`nkuttler`	`SlackRat: so fix it`
`15:59.54`	`SlackRat`	`have tried kde options, alsaconf repeatedly, installed everything the forums recommend, what am i missing? its a fujitsu lappy with integrated card`
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`16:00.03`	`SlackRat`	`nkuttler, how now? :P`
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`16:00.36`	`Nwallins`	`cydork: you mean 2.4 is not even an option?`
`16:00.37`	`nkuttler`	`SlackRat: what do you mean by 'alarm bells'? the internal speaker?`
`16:01.03`	`SlackRat`	`no, its onboard speaker sound, loud.....like a sound loop that cant be shut off`
`16:01.30`	`SlackRat`	`then it stops on its own it seems after the building things a fire alarm went off, lol`
`16:01.32`	`cydork`	`Nwallins: yes`
`16:01.45`	`SlackRat`	`thinks`
`16:01.48`	`nkuttler`	`SlackRat: do you know what module your card needs?`
`16:02.12`	`Braindead`	`SlackRat: rmmod pcspkr`
`16:02.49`	`SlackRat`	`did that now Brain`
`16:03.10`	`cydork`	`!rmmod`
`16:03.10`	`dpkg`	`from memory, rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' instead`
`16:03.12`	`Nwallins`	`cydork: hmm... I get "could not find kernel image 'install'"`
`16:03.55`	`cydork`	`Nwallins: prolly very old install image. get a new one. beta 3 even has gui install ;)`
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`16:04.08`	`SlackRat`	`never needed a special module before nkuttler, its the via82xx standard`
`16:04.14`	`Nwallins`	`cydork: ok, thanks again`
`16:04.24`	`SlackRat`	`integrated card, alsaconf finds it no problem`
`16:05.36`	`SlackRat`	`nothing changed......tried test sound, running out what to do next ideas`
`16:05.41`	`nkuttler`	`SlackRat: and the module is loaded? can you cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp?`
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`16:06.08`	`cahoot`	`dotcomguy: looking at ahow to keep you nameservers statically?`
`16:06.09`	`nvz`	`bah my phone was dead when I rolled my ass out of bed this morning. could have missed calls :P`
`16:06.19`	`SlackRat`	`yes, i got the voice of God blasting thru my speakers, lol`
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`16:06.27`	`dotcomguy`	`cahoot, yeah that sounds about right`
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`16:06.51`	`SlackRat`	`theres sound here somewhere, just loud and ugly.....heh`
`16:06.56`	`nvz`	`I guess thats what voicemail is for.. too bad I turned mine off ages ago`
`16:07.02`	`nkuttler`	`SlackRat: so... it's only kde apps that have no sound? is artsd running?`
`16:07.33`	`cahoot`	`dotcomguy: seems one can use prepend domain-name-servers x.x.x.x y.y.y.y; in /etc/dhclient.conf - might be worth a try`
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`16:07.36`	`SlackRat`	`all of kde is 'soundless' cept for gaim and the cat to /dev/dsp`
`16:07.52`	`dotcomguy`	`k`
`16:07.57`	`cr3`	`how can I specify options in grub that will be preserved across kernel upgrades?`
`16:08.08`	`SlackRat`	`artswrapper says running at real time priority`
`16:09.00`	`nkuttler`	`SlackRat: do you get error messages from kde or just no sound?`
`16:09.06`	`s0\|`	`hey guys I need a recommendation, (I am not goos with *nix, which should become apparent here soon) I want to test the memmory subsystem on a workstation I have to comapre it to what someone else is getting witht he same board... he is telling me to run hdparm -T /dev/sda . when I tired it said that bash did not know what I was trying to call.... ideas?`
`16:09.24`	`Braindead`	`s0\|: install hdparm?`
`16:09.39`	`nvz`	`!install it`
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`16:09.41`	`SlackRat`	`some choices in kde like ESD give a null output, ott, no sound`
`16:09.43`	`s0\|`	`ok....`
`16:09.46`	`SlackRat`	`no sound in gnome either`
`16:09.50`	`nvz`	`!hello`
`16:09.50`	`dpkg`	`Hi, nvz!`
`16:10.00`	`Braindead`	`s0\|: and btw you're testing the HD,not the memory`
`16:10.09`	`nkuttler`	`SlackRat: try to use alsamixer and turn up the volume`
`16:10.11`	`Yamaraj`	`s0\|: Try hdparm as root.`
`16:10.20`	`nvz`	`!installit`
`16:10.20`	`dpkg`	`* NEWS FLASH! * Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get`
`16:10.40`	`SlackRat`	`checking alsamixer volumes again`
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`16:10.50`	`disposable`	`nvz, Yamaraj: how the hell is hdparm going to help him with a sata hard disk??`
`16:11.00`	`s0\|`	`ok thanks guys I will try that when I get home.`
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`16:11.12`	`nvz`	`disposable: I didnt say anything about hdparm or sata hard disks`
`16:11.20`	`nvz`	`disposable: not to mention he didnt ask anything about them`
`16:11.29`	`paxed`	`I was told 'apt-cache policy kernel-image-$(uname -r)' would tell if i was running a custom kernel, and it says 'Unable to locate package kernel-image-2.6.17-2-686', but i'm not running a custom kernel. this is testing. what could be wrong? and how do i fix?`
`16:11.48`	`Braindead`	`disposable: in case you don't know,hdparm currently works with sata hds`
`16:11.49`	`SlackRat`	`all volumes on alsamixer up that i can see should be up`
`16:11.56`	`Yamaraj`	`disposable: I'm not that ignorant, not to know that hdparm doesn't work with SATA.`
`16:12.08`	`Braindead`	`IT WORKS`
`16:12.10`	`wols`	`paxed: uname -a`
`16:12.12`	`Braindead`	`noobs.`
`16:12.21`	`h3sp4wn`	`paxed: linux-image is used in testing not kernel-image`
`16:12.35`	`disposable`	`Braindead: news to me.. i thought there was sdparm or something like that`
`16:12.35`	`nvz`	`Braindead: might want to reconsider that nick before you call people n00bs :P`
`16:12.44`	`paxed`	`h3sp4wn: ahhh. that shows correctly...`
`16:12.53`	`nvz`	`Braindead: nobody will listen to someone who is braindead :P`
`16:13.03`	`nkuttler`	`SlackRat: sol`
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`16:13.10`	`Braindead`	`nvz: yeah nobody will listen to someone who is braindead AND right`
`16:13.22`	`SlackRat`	`sol?`
`16:13.28`	`cahoot`	`SlackRat: snd-hda-intel card?`
`16:13.30`	`Braindead`	`thanks for the nice jokes about my nick,never heard one in the last ten years....`
`16:13.36`	`deadcat`	`wtf.. sysklogd stopped for some reason... weird.`
`16:13.46`	`stew`	`deadcat: did you at some point run out of room on /var ?`
`16:13.55`	`stew`	`deadcat: (that's what made it quit on me recently)`
`16:13.56`	`deadcat`	`stew: nope.`
`16:13.56`	`Yamaraj`	`Braindead: hdparm will report the speed, but incorrectly. And DMA doesn't work with SATA. So, hdparm is pretty useless in case of SATA.`
`16:14.04`	`s0\|`	`p.s. man page tells me this -T will not use the disk, just the buffer cache reads without disk access.`
`16:14.16`	`deadcat`	`stew: oh.. i see. i only used up 17% in /var though`
`16:14.26`	`stew`	`Yamaraj: hdparm can work with SATA`
`16:14.41`	`Braindead`	`Yamaraj: there's libata inbetween`
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`16:14.52`	`Yamaraj`	`stew: What work? It cannot enable/disable DMA at all.`
`16:15.25`	`stew`	`Yamaraj: yes, you cannot disable DMA on sata, it is alwys enabled, afaik`
`16:15.30`	`Yamaraj`	`I should know. My ThinkPas has SATA HDD and CDRW/DVD drives.`
`16:15.35`	`Yamaraj`	`*ThinkPad`
`16:15.49`	`SlackRat`	`kcontrol should be kept on alsa or on autodetect??`
`16:15.51`	`s0\|`	`will it matter if I tell it the sata drive or another drive, becuase the man page has this note for the -T flag "This displays the speed of reading directly from the Linux buffer cache without disk access. This measurement is essentially an indication of the throughput of the processor, cache, and memory of the system under test."`
`16:16.05`	`garou`	`Hi again. How can I tell with which compiler a package was built?`
`16:16.09`	`Braindead`	`s0\|: -tT should do the job`
`16:16.50`	`s0\|`	`Braindead, but -t uses disk access... we are not comaping that. we are being irked about other stuff.`
`16:17.00`	`s0\|`	`*comparing`
`16:17.06`	`SlackRat`	`btw, the sound on gaim start up is correct for gaim, it just wont stop for am inute and keeps repeating`
`16:17.18`	`SlackRat`	`then stops`
`16:17.32`	`s0\|`	`am I reading things wrong?`
`16:17.51`	`Braindead`	`s0\|: we don't know what you wanna compare. you only said "memory" and then asked about hdparm`
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`16:18.14`	`nvz`	`you also only said "test"`
`16:18.31`	`nvz`	`test is like a binary operation.. I can "test" your memory with my eyes`
`16:18.34`	`nvz`	`yep, its there`
`16:18.36`	`s0\|`	`well the -T flag should only do the "throughput of the processor, cache, and memory of the system under test."`
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`16:19.20`	`s0\|`	`are you all saying this is not an accurate metric report?`
`16:19.40`	`Braindead`	`we are all saying we don't know what you're looking for`
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`16:19.52`	`nvz`	`quit reverse enginerring the process and as a proper fucking question`
`16:19.55`	`Braindead`	`who's got the longer penis? who can piss lonnger?`
`16:19.58`	`s0\|`	`oh, sorry. ??????`
`16:20.01`	`Ronin`	`Braindead: me and me`
`16:20.15`	`s0\|`	`nvz, pardon was that ment for me?`
`16:20.21`	`Braindead`	`Ronin: your long penis gives you advantage`
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`16:20.50`	`nvz`	`s0\|: yes instead of making suggestions just ask for what you want. you dont come in not knowing how to do something with a solution in hand.. its counterproductive`
`16:20.57`	`Yamaraj`	`Whose penis is GPLed? That's what matters.`
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`16:21.29`	`nvz`	`ugh.. that sounds bad.`
`16:21.32`	`cds`	`Does anyone know hwo to unpack an ffil font?`
`16:21.38`	`cydork`	`Yamaraj: heh`
`16:21.49`	`igraltist`	`hi`
`16:21.50`	`nvz`	`you'd be on every one of those STD commercials if your penis was GPL'd`
`16:22.06`	`paxed`	`'m-a a-i -i -t -f nvidia-kernel' fails with 'E: Package nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidate', but i already have testing main contrib non-free in sources.list ... help?`
`16:22.34`	`Ronin`	`new meaning to the phrase open source?`
`16:22.42`	`nvz`	`open sores`
`16:22.44`	`h3sp4wn`	`paxed: add unstable non-free`
`16:23.04`	`wols`	`paxed: nvidia driver is not in testing`
`16:23.07`	`s0\|`	`me and this other guy have the same motherboard, and same speed ram. we wanted to comapre results becuase we think our motherborads are not working properly. (board is a workstation/server board, GA-2cewh) he asked me to run that hdparm -T /dev/whatever and we are going to see if the memmory thorughput of our board was really as low as he is seeing...`
`16:23.13`	`nvz`	`bah this fucking phone is taking too long to charge`
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`16:23.29`	`nvz`	`I am about to tape a 9v to it and move on`
`16:23.37`	`SlackRat`	`FATAL: Module sound_driver not found.`
`16:23.41`	`SlackRat`	`wtf?`
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`16:25.01`	`stew`	`SlackRat: what did you do to produce that error?`
`16:25.10`	`SlackRat`	`modprobe sound-driver`
`16:25.16`	`SlackRat`	`hi stew`
`16:25.19`	`paxed`	`h3sp4wn: thanks!`
`16:25.38`	`wols`	`SlackRat: maybe examin your module names closer. there is no "sound-driver" module`
`16:25.59`	`stew`	`SlackRat: yeah, there is no module in the linux kernel named sound-driver, you probably want /msg dpkg alsa one-liner`
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`16:26.52`	`SlackRat`	`ack, there goes the gaim bell`
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`16:36.23`	`SlackRat`	`<o God, please save this testing install so i dont have to go to fuzzy and unstable debian derivatives>`
`16:37.01`	`SlackRat`	`all items in alsa one liner were there already.....and alsaconf ran again, and i rebooted and its still gaim from hell and no other sound`
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`16:37.26`	`SlackRat`	`with the modprobe command from /msg as well`
`16:37.28`	`azeem`	`SlackRat: what desktop environment are you using?`
`16:37.36`	`SlackRat`	`kde`
`16:37.42`	`SlackRat`	`3.5`
`16:37.53`	`azeem`	`SlackRat: and what application is not producing sound?`
`16:37.53`	`SlackRat`	`netinstalled yesterday from testing`
`16:38.25`	`SlackRat`	`all of kde except gaim apparently, which is screwed up and wont stop, and no sound in gnome last i checked either`
`16:38.59`	`cahoot`	`SlackRat: does fuser -v /dev/snd/* return anything?`
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`16:39.13`	`SlackRat`	`lemme see`
`16:39.42`	`SlackRat`	`returns nothing`
`16:40.09`	`SlackRat`	`ah sorry, typo`
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`16:40.22`	`w3rdn4`	`what does "dass eine Belohnung versprochen wurde" mean?`
`16:40.24`	`cahoot`	`SlackRat: does cat /dev/urandom \| aplay result in noise?`
`16:40.26`	`MatBoy`	`Are the linux-images after 2.6.15 compiled with agpcart into the kernel ?`
`16:40.37`	`SlackRat`	`it returns three processes running kmix and gaim....yes cahoot it did`
`16:41.13`	`SlackRat`	`it gave what look like the processes alsaconf kills when it runs`
`16:41.21`	`SlackRat`	`dev/snd/controlC0: mephisto 4475 F.... kmix`
`16:41.36`	`SlackRat`	`dev/snd/controlC1: mephisto 4475 F.... kmix`
`16:41.56`	`SlackRat`	`and //dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: mephisto 4499 F...m gaim`
`16:42.18`	`Anarka`	`do you get any error ?`
`16:42.24`	`SlackRat`	`no`
`16:42.35`	`cydork`	`fuck they are already working on joomla debian package.`
`16:42.43`	`cahoot`	`SlackRat: do you know what alsa module the card uses?`
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`16:42.55`	`RichiH_fallback`	`heh`
`16:43.02`	`RichiH_fallback`	`cydork: mario wars`
`16:43.04`	`SlackRat`	`er no, how should i check?`
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`16:43.28`	`cydork`	`RichiH_fallback: my application is pending, and i cant find anything worth while to package :P`
`16:43.41`	`cahoot`	`SlackRat: read /proc/asound/pcm`
`16:44.01`	`RichiH_fallback`	`cydork: well, mario wars`
`16:44.20`	`RichiH_fallback`	`it's good as it's small`
`16:44.33`	`SlackRat`	`permission denied?!`
`16:45.24`	`SlackRat`	`01-00: VIA 82XX modem : VIA 82XX modem : playback 1 : capture 1`
`16:45.42`	`cydork`	`RichiH_fallback: hmm checking it out, btw what does this mean http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=326398`
`16:45.49`	`SlackRat`	`00-01: VIA 8235 : VIA 8235 : playback 1 : capture 1`
`16:45.49`	`SlackRat`	`00-00: VIA 8235 : VIA 8235 : playback 4 : capture 1`
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`16:47.43`	`SlackRat`	`hmn, now the artsmessage about resource busy / null output`
`16:47.44`	`jelly`	`cydork: It means someone else can send another ITP as this person doesn't have time to work on a package...`
`16:47.55`	`SlackRat`	`we re making progress i can feel it`
`16:47.55`	`cahoot`	`SlackRat: by the looks of it alsa is set up properly, user is member of audio?`
`16:47.55`	`jelly`	`cydork: well, like it says in the last mail.`
`16:48.20`	`cydork`	`jelly: so i can do it huh?`
`16:48.22`	`RichiH_fallback`	`cydork: it means that joomla is there for the taking`
`16:48.29`	`SlackRat`	`i havent configured anything group wise since install, no config changes yet cept alsa etc in kde`
`16:48.30`	`jelly`	`cydork: yep.`
`16:48.31`	`RichiH_fallback`	`cydork: at least if it's the lastest bug`
`16:48.33`	`cydork`	`\o/`
`16:48.38`	`RichiH_fallback`	`!wnpp`
`16:48.38`	`dpkg`	`For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp.`
`16:48.41`	`SlackRat`	`and modprobe`
`16:48.42`	`RichiH_fallback`	`!itp`
`16:48.43`	`dpkg`	`from memory, itp is Intent To Package`
`16:48.47`	`RichiH_fallback`	`:)`
`16:49.00`	`cahoot`	`SlackRat: run *groups'as user to check`
`16:49.03`	`jelly`	`that itp factoid is immensely useful`
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`16:49.18`	`cahoot`	`SlackRat: run 'groups' as user to check`
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`16:49.28`	`RichiH_fallback`	`cydork: yah, send an itp and have a go at joomla`
`16:49.48`	`SlackRat`	`yes im in audio as user`
`16:49.54`	`RichiH_fallback`	`cydork: i am not a DD myself, btw. i still want to become one and read the docs, though ;)`
`16:50.11`	`cydork`	`RichiH_fallback: will do :P`
`16:50.23`	`cahoot`	`SlackRat: did cat /dev/urandom \| aplay result in noise?`
`16:50.29`	`SlackRat`	`oh yes`
`16:50.31`	`SlackRat`	`heh`
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`16:51.06`	`cahoot`	`SlackRat: so sound basically works - is the matter system sounds in kde or what?`
`16:51.24`	`SlackRat`	`yeah, no apps cept gaim in kde have any sound`
`16:51.36`	`SlackRat`	`the most is click and static when running alsaconf`
`16:51.42`	`SlackRat`	`barely audible`
`16:52.04`	`SlackRat`	`mixers all up`
`16:52.31`	`SlackRat`	`all the possible pkgs recommended ive installed afaik`
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`16:53.59`	`disasm`	`i'm trying to preseed a debian install, It keeps saying nsswitch.conf is not managed automatically. For this package to work, you need to modify your /etc/nsswitch.conf to use the ldap datasource. etc... and I have to hit OK to continue, i i did debconf-get-selections, and I can't find any libnss-ldap lines that have anything to do with this.`
`16:54.03`	`cahoot`	`SlackRat: is gaim configured to use arts?`
`16:54.12`	`SlackRat`	`lemme check`
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`16:55.05`	`SlackRat`	`hmn, changed it now from auto to arts`
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`16:55.42`	`Renfield`	`Does anyone know what package glxinfo and glxgears are in?`
`16:56.06`	`disasm`	`Renfield: did you check packages.debian.org?`
`16:56.08`	`SlackRat`	`<pls God, no more cozy critter, newb sticky spawns of Debian distros, pleeease...>`
`16:56.14`	`dfx-`	`Renfield: to search for package contents, use apt-cache search glxinfo`
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`16:56.23`	`Renfield`	`Oh, thanks.`
`16:56.26`	`SlackRat`	`let there be sound!`
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`16:56.52`	`Renfield`	`I didn't know that apt-cache search also searched package contents.`
`16:57.09`	`dfx-`	`Renfield: now you do :)`
`16:57.28`	`SlackRat`	`heh`
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`16:59.43`	`malawar`	`ok, so, I installed this system using debootstrap.. but can't figure out how to get a framebuffer working`
`17:00.00`	`malawar`	`since the normal install means seems to enable a framebuffer by default, so nobody bothered to document how to do it otherwise :(`
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`17:01.29`	`disasm`	`malawar: what fb module are you using? usually you need to append vga=xxx to your kernel in your bootloader`
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`17:02.20`	`SlackRat`	`logging out again and restarting gaim`
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`17:04.23`	`Renfield`	`Has anyone been able to get compiz working on thier Debian box?`
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`17:05.37`	`h3sp4wn`	`Renfield: kanotix has a script which should work if you are running unstable (maybe testing)`
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`17:05.54`	`Renfield`	`h3sp4wn I'm running testing.`
`17:06.13`	`Renfield`	`I've got xorg 7.0, nvidia drivers and glx running fine.`
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`17:06.48`	`h3sp4wn`	`not sure then`
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`17:07.15`	`SlackRat`	`grr, same thing including the gaim 'alarm'`
`17:07.20`	`SlackRat`	`now running on arts`
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`17:08.43`	`Renfield`	`h3sp4wn Where can I get kanotix's script?`
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`17:09.45`	`Renfield`	`When I try to install a package and I get a line like this: xorg: Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx but it is not going to be installed How can I determine why it is not going to be installed?`
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`17:10.05`	`SlackRat`	`devil and kano among others on kanotix , for scrips`
`17:10.14`	`jelly`	`Renfield: the easiest is to try installing it manually.`
`17:10.32`	`SlackRat`	`#kanotix here at freenode`
`17:11.55`	`jelly`	`Renfield: apt-cache policy package will show you which versions are available for installation`
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`17:13.47`	`Renfield`	`jelly I'm confused. apt-get tells me that some package is not going to be installed, however it also says that the package is necessary to meet a dependency for another package, the one I do want installed. I am trying to understand why apt-get resolves dependencies sometimes, and not others.`
`17:13.55`	`SlackRat`	`bleh this sound problem is giving me fedora flashbacks`
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`17:17.01`	`SlackRat`	`hmn and running alsaconf kills gaim twice now`
`17:19.03`	`SlackRat`	`could this be a whacked acpi issue ? im on a lappy`
`17:20.54`	`cydork`	`SlackRat: it will kill all the apps which are using sound modules`
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`17:22.07`	`SlackRat`	`all, you mean the one app using any sound, lol`
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`17:22.43`	`cydork`	`SlackRat: i mean all :)`
`17:23.01`	`SlackRat`	`im going in circles here`
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`17:23.16`	`sleon`	`hi`
`17:23.18`	`SlackRat`	`speaker-test produces static`
`17:23.39`	`sleon`	`which package has easy_install binary ? (it is used to install pytrhon egg files ) ??`
`17:23.47`	`cydork`	`SlackRat: huh what are you trying to do exactly?`
`17:24.17`	`cydork`	`!tell sleon about search`
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`17:24.32`	`The_Stephan`	`hi`
`17:24.34`	`malawar`	`I also can't seem to install xorg :(`
`17:24.40`	`SlackRat`	`er, get sound on testing kde`
`17:24.47`	`SlackRat`	`from last nites net install`
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`17:25.15`	`malawar`	`just goes into an infinite loop of "a null entry is not permitted for this value" that i can't break out of withotu killing, which then breaks apt :(`
`17:25.34`	`cydork`	`SlackRat: so what happens if you run alsaconf?`
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`17:25.57`	`SlackRat`	`sometimes i hear a faint click, i alsactl store and still no sound`
`17:25.59`	`stew`	`malawar: kill the perl process, then run "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" and set the priority to low, then run dpkg --configure -a`
`17:26.31`	`stew`	`malawar: after that you'll probably want to reset the debconf priority to high medium`
`17:26.35`	`cydork`	`!tell SlackRat about alsa-checklist`
`17:26.47`	`stew`	`which reminds me, I want to set my wife's debconf priority back to medium after fixing that one :)`
`17:27.10`	`stew`	`hrm`
`17:27.18`	`stew`	`i submitted a bug about that and it didnt' show up`
`17:27.32`	`SlackRat`	`thanks cydork, thats the circle ive completed at least once.....`
`17:27.46`	`SlackRat`	`im running out of ideas`
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`17:28.17`	`SlackRat`	`00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) == what i got from lspci \| grep audio`
`17:28.34`	`malawar`	`stew, thanks much :P`
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`17:30.10`	`cydork`	`SlackRat: does alsamixer works? do you see snd_hda_intel in lsmod?`
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`17:30.23`	`helo_`	`is there some way to get all of the -dev stuff installed quickly without having to go through the trial and error process of apt-cache search libname\|grep dev; apt-get install whatever-dev?`
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`17:30.45`	`cydork`	`helo_: why do you need all the dev stuff??`
`17:31.10`	`SlackRat`	`hmn, no hda intel`
`17:31.18`	`SlackRat`	`alsamixer works`
`17:31.23`	`h3sp4wn`	`you can get alot of it by installing kde-devel and xorg-dev`
`17:31.46`	`cydork`	`SlackRat: what does lsmod\|grep snd say? paste that in a paster`
`17:31.48`	`cydork`	`!paster`
`17:31.49`	`dpkg`	`paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.`
`17:32.40`	`cydork`	`h3sp4wn: no one needs all the -dev stuff :P`
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`17:33.59`	`SlackRat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:34.09`	`SlackRat`	`theres the lsmod readout`
`17:34.18`	`helo_`	`i'm not using unstable, so xorg-dev isn't an option`
`17:34.19`	`webfreak`	`h3sp4wn: apt-cache search dev \| grep -- -dev \| cut -d' ' -f1`
`17:34.22`	`abrotman`	`that's OSS i think`
`17:34.25`	`helo_`	`xfree86-dev?`
`17:34.30`	`webfreak`	`h3sp4wn: that's a way to get a list of all the -dev packages available`
`17:34.52`	`webfreak`	`at least i'm pretty sure that's all of them`
`17:35.07`	`webfreak`	`there's 1780 in that list`
`17:35.12`	`h3sp4wn`	`cydork: True`
`17:35.21`	`webfreak`	`i also see no reason why you'd need all of them though`
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`17:35.22`	`orestyle3`	`what is the difference between primary and secondary partitions and how do they effect the OS?`
`17:35.28`	`cydork`	`SlackRat: yep via82cxxx_audio is for OSS`
`17:35.32`	`cydork`	`!ac97`
`17:35.32`	`dpkg`	`There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check.`
`17:35.56`	`cydork`	`no i am wrong :)`
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`17:36.30`	`SlackRat`	`alsa modules have the snd_ prefix, i thing`
`17:36.32`	`SlackRat`	`think`
`17:36.41`	`stew`	`yes`
`17:36.44`	`cydork`	`SlackRat: ya you are right`
`17:37.02`	`SlackRat`	`so do i need to add a driver and if so , which and how?`
`17:37.05`	`cydork`	`!confuse abrotman`
`17:37.05`	`dpkg`	`Yes, those was their weasel today, abrotman? wellies of the democracy of tahiti with extra cream`
`17:37.08`	`abrotman`	`piss off!`
`17:38.36`	`SlackRat`	`grrrrr, cept for sound this is the nicest smoothest debian install ever....bleh`
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`17:39.28`	`cydork`	`SlackRat: and you also have the right modules loaded`
`17:39.43`	`SlackRat`	`yeah, its driving me nuts`
`17:40.02`	`cahoot`	`cydork: his sound works ok it's just the kde sounds that's a problem for some reason`
`17:40.19`	`anapivirtua`	`Drive me !`
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`17:40.51`	`cydork`	`SlackRat: is it just a kde problem or you can hear anything?`
`17:41.09`	`helo_`	`i don't need all of the -dev stuff... just what i need... lol`
`17:41.15`	`SlackRat`	`no sound in gnome either, but i didnt try too hard, and sound on gaim goes apeshit`
`17:41.44`	`SlackRat`	`and zynaddsubfx makes a noise and dies and thats all the app sound i get`
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`17:41.59`	`helo_`	`in sarge, is it possible to get the gnome menu to include kde programs?`
`17:42.14`	`helo_`	`or does nobody use sarge any more?`
`17:43.16`	`helo_`	`boyoyoyoing`
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`17:43.35`	`helo_`	`but do you still remember what the package names are?`
`17:44.18`	`asg`	`helo_: you might try #gnome on oftc.net or #debian-kde here to see if someone knows. I've never used Gnome or KDE.`
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`17:46.53`	`asg`	`stew: Only 3 left to upgrade. Maybe I'll get 'em done before etch releases.`
`17:47.21`	`rockstar_`	`I'm trying to get an internal DNS to resolve internal addresses. Forwarding is fine, but nothing on the inside works. Can anyone help me?`
`17:47.33`	`cydork`	`SlackRat: did you try that cat string in the also-check list factoid?`
`17:48.38`	`SlackRat`	`yeah, theres soound there and on speaker-test`
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`17:52.10`	`SlackRat`	`six hours to get sound is a bit much, bleh`
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`17:53.10`	`SlackRat`	`unless you use gentoo`
`17:53.27`	`cydork`	`SlackRat: then alsa works. try it with some player to play some mp3 file or something`
`17:53.36`	`SlackRat`	`k, hold on`
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`17:55.09`	`rockstar_`	`I have my zones and everything set up in bind9, but my server doesn't seem to see it's own master.mydomain names to resolve. Can anyone tell me what it might be depending on as far as server environment?`
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`17:56.08`	`SlackRat`	`no sound from a cd or mp3`
`17:56.14`	`rockzman`	`Where is located mysql dump binary by default so i can recover my backup`
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`17:56.43`	`rockstar_`	`rockzman, try /usr/bin/mysqldump`
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`17:58.14`	`cydork`	`SlackRat: now i am out of ideas :P`
`17:58.21`	`synic`	`how can you give rules for tarring up the source package when using debuild ?`
`17:58.52`	`SlackRat`	`xrun_recovery failed: -5,Input/output error`
`17:58.52`	`SlackRat`	`Transfer failed: Operation not permitted`
`17:59.00`	`malawar`	`ALSA or OSS? :P`
`17:59.02`	`SlackRat`	`got that from speaker-test......`
`17:59.05`	`SlackRat`	`alsa`
`17:59.41`	`SlackRat`	`but it produced the test sound anyway`
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`18:01.41`	`synic`	`where's a good place to ask about creating debian packages?`
`18:02.07`	`rockzman`	`rockstar_, if i do set my mysql of my newserver to load it will i recover all my old sql configs`
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`18:02.21`	`zinx`	`synic: there are several tutorials, so i'm going to say www.google.com`
`18:02.35`	`synic`	`zinx: thanks for pointing the obvious out.`
`18:02.44`	`stew`	`synic: /msg dpkg mg ; http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors ; #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org`
`18:03.12`	`synic`	`thanks stew`
`18:03.33`	`zinx`	`!tell synic about best`
`18:03.42`	`paxed`	`glxinfo says "direct rendering: no". 'glxinfo \| grep vendor' says 'client glx vendor string: SGI' and others are NVIDIA... help? (debian testing, nvidia installed "the debian way")`
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`18:05.32`	`SlackRat`	`biab`
`18:05.51`	`grendelson`	`If my machine is named machine.domain.com then I`
`18:06.23`	`h3sp4wn`	`paxed: nvidia-xconfig has never failed me`
`18:06.27`	`grendelson`	`'m assuming that a hostname will give machine.domain.com and a hostname -s gives machine`
`18:06.42`	`h3sp4wn`	`paxed: (not the debian way but it has never not worked once the kernel module is created)`
`18:06.44`	`grendelson`	`BUT what about a hostname -f should it give the full machine.domain.com as well?`
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`18:07.45`	`grendelson`	`My local mail is gettign bounced to my gmail account that is setup as as marthost with an error that localhost.localdomain can't be found.`
`18:08.07`	`grendelson`	`when I type dnsdomainname I get nothign back on my local machine`
`18:08.16`	`grendelson`	`Not sure what piece I'm missing...`
`18:08.18`	`paxed`	`h3sp4wn: nvidia-xconfig doesn't do anything for me. the xorg configs are already ok. could mesa be messing things up?`
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`18:08.44`	`uzed`	`i need help to install mysql-workbench in Debian , please...`
`18:09.08`	`h3sp4wn`	`paxed: Have you run it ?`
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`18:09.36`	`paxed`	`h3sp4wn: nvidia-xconfig? yes. all it does it add 2 lines of comments on top of the file.`
`18:09.51`	`h3sp4wn`	`paxed: and nvidia.ko is loaded ?`
`18:10.37`	`h3sp4wn`	`paxed: I am not sure whether nvidia-common needs to be restarted to setup the TLS links`
`18:10.42`	`paxed`	`h3sp4wn: yes. 3d accel mostly works...`
`18:11.54`	`h3sp4wn`	`paxed: its either nvidia-common or nvidia-kernel-common (normally runs on startup and creates some tls links - stuff doesn't work right without it)`
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`18:12.24`	`paxed`	`h3sp4wn: ahwell, i'll restart the box then... :P`
`18:12.34`	`uzed`	`i need help to install mysql-workbench in Debian , please...`
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`18:13.26`	`rockstar_`	`God bless wonderful logging agents provided in Linux.`
`18:14.28`	`abrotman`	`rockstar_: you don't like the "Error 4532: Unknown Error" in windows ? :)`
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`18:16.00`	`rockstar_`	`abrotman: That is hilarious! I haven't touched Windows in probably a year (since I got this new job), and I don't miss it much.`
`18:16.06`	`rockzman`	`rockstar_, if i do set my mysql of my newserver to load it will i recover all my old sql configs`
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`18:16.35`	`rockstar_`	`rockzman, well, you'll have to log in, probably select your database, and then source it.`
`18:16.54`	`rockstar_`	`Unless the dump exported the code for creating a database.`
`18:17.24`	`rockstar_`	`In that occasion, all you really need to do is login to mysql and source myfile.sql`
`18:17.25`	`paxed`	`h3sp4wn: no luck.`
`18:18.23`	`h3sp4wn`	`paxed: dpkg-divert --list (there should be some by nvidia-glx)`
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`18:21.24`	`h3sp4wn`	`paxed: try reinstalling it if they are not there - aptitude reinstall nvidia-glx -t unstable`
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`18:24.17`	`paxed`	`h3sp4wn: they are. that pointed to xlibmesa-gl, which i removed. also reinstalled like you told, still no luck...`
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`18:25.53`	`paxed`	`h3sp4wn: ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/glxgears shows 'libGL.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1' which can't be right, because nvidia libGL is in /usr/lib?`
`18:26.11`	`paxed`	`h3sp4wn: or am i totally confused here. (not a new thing...)`
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`18:30.11`	`fireba11_grr`	`hi, i'm trying to mount a SMB share on startup, but no luck ... if i do a mount -a manually it works, what might i be doing wrong ?`
`18:30.26`	`blondie`	`fireba11: what is in your fstab?`
`18:31.31`	`fireba11`	`blondie the line in question reads "//111.222.333.444/Share /opt/share smbfs guest, ro,_netdev 0 0"`
`18:32.07`	`blondie`	`and then you type just "mount /opt/share" ?`
`18:32.27`	`blondie`	`actually I think the options are wrong there.`
`18:32.40`	`fireba11`	`no .. i run mount -a and it work, it just doesn't at boot time`
`18:32.49`	`blondie`	`oh right`
`18:32.54`	`blondie`	`sounds like my SATA drives x.x`
`18:33.33`	`fireba11`	`blondie according to man page guest is for not-ask-for-password, and _netdev tells it it's on the network, so not to try bevore network is up`
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`18:34.23`	`fireba11`	`blondie without the guest it did ask for password, but always failed anyway`
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`18:35.18`	`valdyn`	`fireba11: add 'auto' to the options`
`18:35.35`	`fireba11`	`will try`
`18:36.37`	`fireba11`	`valdyn: i think i never booted debian so many times in a row ince i need to do that to try if it works :-D`
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`18:37.01`	`valdyn`	`!bootlog`
`18:37.02`	`dpkg`	`/etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg)`
`18:37.15`	`valdyn`	`fireba11: maybe that can help debug ^^^`
`18:37.46`	`fireba11`	`valdyn well i rad it as it scrolls by ... ^^`
`18:37.54`	`fireba11`	`still got an wrror`
`18:38.03`	`valdyn`	`fireba11: which error?`
`18:38.05`	`_diz`	`Hello`
`18:38.06`	`isofunk`	`hello`
`18:38.08`	`Softly`	`hey`
`18:38.32`	`fireba11`	`valdyn need to turn boot log on to get the exact one ...`
`18:38.46`	`h3sp4wn`	`paxed: Is there not a divert of libGL.so.1 by nvidia-glx ? (Have you tried to install the binary drivers from nvidia.com prior to this ? )`
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`18:40.11`	`paxed`	`h3sp4wn: there is. and yes, i tried the binary drivers, but it wouldn't install after i did an update couple weeks ago.`
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`18:40.28`	`tarzeau`	`!popcon`
`18:40.28`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff`
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`18:41.13`	`CHodapp`	`mmmm....popcorn....`
`18:41.24`	`valdyn`	`paxed: run your proprietary nvidia installer like 'sh NVIDIA-foo.sh --uninstall', then reinstall nvidia-glx`
`18:41.27`	`qani`	`:)`
`18:41.40`	`h3sp4wn`	`paxed: There is an option with the binary drivers to uninstall (can't remember the syntax but its a command line option) -`
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`18:42.01`	`paxed`	`valdyn, h3sp4wn: i did uninstall it before trying the debian way today`
`18:42.46`	`valdyn`	`paxed: are both ( your old NVIDIA installer and debian files the same version?`
`18:43.44`	`paxed`	`valdyn: no. nvidia installer is 8756, debian is 8774`
`18:44.16`	`valdyn`	`paxed: great, so run ldd /usr/bin/glxgears again, follow the files listed, they're just symlinks, delete the symlink and the file if its nvidia installer stuff`
`18:44.43`	`valdyn`	`paxed: that is .. for libGL.* and libGLU.* iirc, maybe libglut`
`18:45.30`	`valdyn`	`paxed: check your X log file for traces of 8756 too`
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`18:46.00`	`p13`	`hi guys, any idea where i can go to get some pa-risc specific support ?`
`18:46.04`	`p13`	`is there any kind of irc channel ?`
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`18:46.49`	`valdyn`	`!pa-risc`
`18:46.49`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that pa-risc is http://www.parisc-linux.org`
`18:46.56`	`valdyn`	`!hppa`
`18:46.56`	`dpkg`	`hppa is, like, called pa-risc`
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`18:47.14`	`valdyn`	`!listkeys hppa`
`18:47.16`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of 'hppa' by key (3): _default hppa ;; #debian hppa ;; hppa.`
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`18:47.43`	`valdyn`	`!listkeys pa-risc`
`18:47.45`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of 'pa-risc' by key (3): pa-risc ;; _default pa-risc ;; #debian pa-risc.`
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`18:48.02`	`p13`	`doesn't help`
`18:48.04`	`p13`	`but thanks i guess`
`18:48.06`	`valdyn`	`p13: dpkg knows nothing about it so probably it doesnt exist`
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`18:48.12`	`p13`	`wtf`
`18:48.32`	`p13`	`do you think pa-risc is an application ?`
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`18:48.45`	`valdyn`	`p13: the irc channel doesnt exist is what i meant`
`18:48.55`	`p13`	`oh ok, that makes more sense`
`18:49.17`	`p13`	`well yeah, the only place that was said to offer some possibility of support for it was here`
`18:49.38`	`p13`	`but this is the main dist channel, so i don't think getting any weirdo architecture specific support is likely`
`18:49.42`	`p13`	`i still have to try`
`18:49.55`	`valdyn`	`!seen greycat`
`18:49.56`	`dpkg`	`greycat is currently on #debian-bots (6h 9m 43s), last said: 'haha'.`
`18:50.08`	`paxed`	`valdyn: thanks! removing /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.* worked!`
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`18:51.42`	`p13`	`i've had to power cycle that little pa box so many times i think it's about to explode`
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`18:52.56`	`appelza`	`is there a channel for 64bit debian?`
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`18:53.14`	`cbr`	`#debian-amd64`
`18:53.14`	`valdyn`	`appelza: a few`
`18:53.54`	`appelza`	`ktnx`
`18:54.10`	`appelza`	`ill ask here aswell anyway :>`
`18:54.20`	`appelza`	`My server only picks up 2gb of its 4gb ram, its an opteron dual core`
`18:54.57`	`p13`	`purchase more cores`
`18:55.16`	`appelza`	`harhar`
`18:55.18`	`jade`	`!seen bob2`
`18:55.18`	`dpkg`	`bob2 <n=bob4@ble59-5-82-233-207-9.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 36d 18h 27m 24s ago, saying: 'guerin fake ass yoursel'.`
`18:55.22`	`p13`	`hehe`
`18:55.22`	`valdyn`	`appelza: uname -r`
`18:55.26`	`appelza`	`2.6.15-27-amd64-server`
`18:55.30`	`p13`	`appelza: do you have support for highmem in the kernel ?`
`18:55.40`	`valdyn`	`appelza: that's a debian kernel?`
`18:55.42`	`appelza`	`I dont know, how do I check on debian?`
`18:55.49`	`p13`	`the smp image should`
`18:55.58`	`p13`	`you should run the smp kernel`
`18:56.04`	`appelza`	`How do I do the 'make menuconfig' or where is the config file for the apt-getted kernel stored?`
`18:56.07`	`valdyn`	`appelza: i know that's no debian kernel, im guessing you want to join #ubuntu`
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`18:56.27`	`p13`	`oooh !`
`18:56.35`	`appelza`	`valdyn: its not, but figure the issue will be the same over archs..how do I install the smp kernel?`
`18:56.49`	`valdyn`	`appelza: i dont know that for ubuntu`
`18:56.52`	`p13`	`maybe you guys know where i can get a compiled debian kernel image with support for the ncr and lasi stuff built INTO it ?`
`18:56.57`	`p13`	`for hp-pa of course`
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`18:57.01`	`appelza`	`what is it for debian? :>`
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`18:57.24`	`p13`	`appelza: you don't want to run a debian kernel image unmodified on an ubuntu box`
`18:57.25`	`valdyn`	`!smp`
`18:57.25`	`dpkg`	`smp is, like, (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMP-HOWTO.html, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing`
`18:57.34`	`p13`	`becasue of how the hardware detection and module stuffing works`
`18:57.35`	`appelza`	`Thanks`
`18:57.44`	`fireba11`	`valdyn the error is: 3253: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.)`
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`18:58.46`	`Junis`	`hi`
`18:59.13`	`appelza`	`is there a way to check the kernel options? when using an apt-get installed kernel image?`
`18:59.29`	`Junis`	`i want to config the system, for load always a module before another module on system start... How can i do that?`
`18:59.34`	`p13`	`don't think so, it's built bare with all the stuff added in modules`
`18:59.37`	`stew`	`appelza: /boot/config-$version`
`18:59.39`	`wols`	`appelza: /boot/ has a config* file for your kernel`
`18:59.42`	`p13`	`and the really "you need it" modules are in the initrd`
`18:59.47`	`mikefoo`	`Ok so I need to redirect http traffic at given times via iptables, is it possible to redirect with ip tables for only new connections? So I do not break current ones?`
`19:00.09`	`Taube`	`mikefoo: with -m state?`
`19:00.10`	`p13`	`for weird hardware, i like to put stuff IN the kernel, at least i'm sure it boots that way`
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`19:01.16`	`stew`	`mikefoo: -m state --state NEW`
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`19:01.38`	`appelza`	`Thanks`
`19:01.39`	`appelza`	`alot`
`19:01.46`	`danieldg`	`mikefoo: NAT is only for new connections`
`19:02.07`	`mikefoo`	`NAT?`
`19:02.19`	`danieldg`	`mikefoo: any old connecton's won't be affected by changes in NAT rules, which is what I'm assuming you're using to redirect`
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`19:05.57`	`mikefoo`	`I want this: All http requests to server A be redirected to server b, current connection will stay on server A but all new ones redirected to server B`
`19:06.14`	`mikefoo`	`so look into -m state --state M options in iptables?`
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`19:06.25`	`abrotman`	`ask #iptables`
`19:06.29`	`danieldg`	`mikefoo: no, look into DNAT and/or SNAT`
`19:06.30`	`fireba11`	`valdyn even the example in the amarok wiki for the exact purpose i need didn't work ^^`
`19:07.20`	`fireba11`	`wth`
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`19:09.12`	`fireba11`	`now that's just stupid`
`19:10.14`	`fireba11`	`anyone else any ideas what cound make the entry in /etc/fstab fail on boot but work on a manual mount -a ?`
`19:10.40`	`Heston`	`can i burn a dvd iso with cdrecord or do i need another app?`
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`19:13.50`	`tarzeau`	`Heston: another app i think`
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`19:13.53`	`tarzeau`	`!dvd`
`19:13.53`	`dpkg`	`[dvd] use xine (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), vlc or ogle (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about decss, or ask me about libdvdcss, or to burn a dvd check growisofs.`
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`19:14.08`	`thelostbutler`	`after receiving no help in #apache i am turning to my good old #debian would appreciate some help on this problem http://rafb.net/paste/results/pxbxLm88.html`
`19:14.17`	`Heston`	`oh yeah, growisofs, thanks`
`19:14.27`	`thelostbutler`	`i am running apache2 on a sarge system`
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`19:16.42`	`kb1_kanobe`	`Perhaps someone can clarify for me: I would like to install a '64bit' debian to run on a Pentium D 930. Usually for 32bit I slap in an i386 netinst cd and go to it... which netinst should I use for native 64bit mode?`
`19:17.13`	`Anarka`	`amd64 i think`
`19:17.44`	`abrotman`	`!amd64`
`19:17.44`	`dpkg`	`hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64`
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`19:18.03`	`Bardamu`	`hello`
`19:18.06`	`abrotman`	`kb1_kanobe: be aware there is no flash for amd64(unless you use gnash(iffy) or chroot)`
`19:18.14`	`kb1_kanobe`	`Ah, I see - 'EM64T'`
`19:18.16`	`Bardamu`	`anyone have skype adress pleas ?`
`19:18.30`	`Ronin`	`Bardamu: why?`
`19:18.40`	`kb1_kanobe`	`abrotman: noted, thanks. This is just to play around w/64bit Xen.`
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`19:18.53`	`Bardamu`	`Ronin, i would test my microphone`
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`19:18.59`	`appelza`	`I don't see : CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y in my kernel config`
`19:19.07`	`appelza`	`how do I add that and recompile the kernel in debian`
`19:19.08`	`Ronin`	`Bardamu: just speak into it, make a recording`
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`19:19.17`	`Bardamu`	`i don't know how :)`
`19:19.23`	`appelza`	`and is that a distro independent switch ?`
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`19:19.49`	`Bardamu`	`pleas someone tell me his adress`
`19:19.50`	`Bardamu`	`skype`
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`19:20.00`	`stew`	`appelza: what arch is the kernel built for?`
`19:20.13`	`appelza`	`64bit`
`19:20.15`	`appelza`	`smp`
`19:20.29`	`stew`	`appelza: that switch is distro independent, but not needed for 64 bit (since they address 48 bits of memory natively)`
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`19:20.41`	`appelza`	`sigh :(`
`19:20.55`	`appelza`	`my 64bit box is only reporing 2gb of its 4gb ram`
`19:21.03`	`appelza`	`dunno wth to do`
`19:21.10`	`stew`	`appelza: does the bios see it all?`
`19:21.14`	`appelza`	`yup`
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`19:22.08`	`appelza`	`or well, its reporting this : MemTotal: 2832824 kB`
`19:22.09`	`appelza`	`instead of the 4gb`
`19:22.09`	`pihhan`	`is anyone running sarge with samba&ldap pdc present?`
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`19:26.47`	`pickcoder`	`how do I extract the contents of a deb. -x is only extracing the root files`
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`19:27.05`	`streuner_`	`ar x foo.deb`
`19:27.11`	`streuner_`	`or just use 'mc'`
`19:27.33`	`stew`	`pickcoder: dpkg -e will extract the control files`
`19:27.37`	`pickcoder`	`tgx`
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`19:27.41`	`pickcoder`	`s/g/h`
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`19:28.25`	`luke-jr_work`	`I just setup Debian on a system, but it doesn't see any PCI cards... :/`
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`19:28.55`	`streuner`	`well, sounds like a BIOS problem then`
`19:29.03`	`azeem`	`luke-jr_work: what does lspci say?`
`19:29.06`	`Charminthemoose`	`hello all,i'm having a problem with my debian install,my linksys USB200M is being detected and the driver loaded but i don't seem to be connecting to the internet,i tried pinging google.ie and i got unknown host google.ie.could anyone help me out? http://pastebin.ca/185225`
`19:29.11`	`Charminthemoose`	`is my dmesg`
`19:29.13`	`luke-jr_work`	`azeem: nothing re the PCI cards`
`19:29.28`	`luke-jr_work`	`streuner: the BIOS menu is useless`
`19:29.51`	`streuner`	`luke-jr_work: what does 'dmesg' say?`
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`19:30.07`	`fireba11`	`valdyn note: even when using guest option i needed to specify a username (guest) for it to work at boot time .. don't ask ahy`
`19:30.09`	`fireba11`	`wh`
`19:30.09`	`fireba11`	`y`
`19:30.22`	`luke-jr_work`	`streuner: a lot-- want me to pastebin it?`
`19:30.45`	`streuner`	`nah, just tell us if the kernel see the PCI-Cards or not`
`19:31.12`	`Charminthemoose`	`would i be better off with the newer 2.6 kernel?`
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`19:31.28`	`luke-jr_work`	`streuner: not that I can see`
`19:31.47`	`streuner`	`luke-jr_work: hm, what does 'cat /proc/version' say?`
`19:32.04`	`luke-jr_work`	`Linux version 2.6.8-3-686 (pbuilder@dl360-g3) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Thu Sep 7 03:38:22 UTC 2006`
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`19:32.54`	`streuner`	`so custom, what happens if you use an official kernel?`
`19:33.02`	`luke-jr_work`	`that is the latest official kernel`
`19:33.29`	`luke-jr_work`	`ii kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 2.6.8-16sarge5 Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.`
`19:34.01`	`streuner`	`luke-jr_work: did you try another kernel?`
`19:34.12`	`luke-jr_work`	`no`
`19:34.22`	`luke-jr_work`	`that's the most recent o.o`
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`19:34.25`	`Charminthemoose`	`anyone?`
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`19:34.36`	`herfer`	`so ... on my new debian system I see sendmail script inside of /etc/xinetd.d ... which makes sense, but I _also_ see sendmail in /etc/init.d and K20/S20 scripts inside of rc[0-6].d ... why is this in two places ?`
`19:35.05`	`luke-jr_work`	`and the system is cpu family 6`
`19:35.06`	`eipihipl`	`how do I set a mouse speed? xset m just change the accelleration. Xorg`
`19:35.46`	`dfx-`	`speaking of debian kernels .. how do you edit it to include say, nic drivers?`
`19:35.55`	`giz`	`charminthemoose : wot kernel are you running cos the driver gets loaded, wots the error when bringing it up?`
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`19:36.18`	`luke-jr_work`	`...`
`19:36.18`	`herfer`	`also, when I HUP xinetd.d, there is no item in the mail.log showing that sendmail restarted ... which is odd...`
`19:36.39`	`luke-jr_work`	`streuner: not like there's much of a choice either`
`19:36.53`	`streuner`	`there is always a choice`
`19:37.00`	`Charminthemoose`	`giz:I'm using the 2.4.27-2-686 to the best of my knowledge and what do you mean by bringing it up?`
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`19:37.07`	`streuner`	`backports had 2.6.16 some weeks ago...`
`19:37.12`	`streuner`	`!backports`
`19:37.13`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>`
`19:37.14`	`luke-jr_work`	`bpo isn't official`
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`19:37.18`	`stew`	`herfer: the /etc/init.d/sendmail script will behave differently if you are running it from inetd`
`19:37.35`	`herfer`	`oh ok`
`19:37.42`	`streuner`	`luke-jr_work: most of the people who are making backports are DD's ...`
`19:37.43`	`giz`	`charminthemoose : when you try and bring the interface up (ifup eth0) wot does it say?`
`19:37.50`	`herfer`	`so if I want to restart sendmail, I shoudl still use: /etc/init.d/sendmail restart ?`
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`19:38.06`	`Charminthemoose`	`giz:i gotta do that manually?`
`19:38.19`	`herfer`	`oops, nope.`
`19:38.19`	`luke-jr_work`	`streuner: weren't you just saying I should use an official kernel?`
`19:38.22`	`giz`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:38.25`	`herfer`	`started a second sendmail competing for the same IP.`
`19:38.44`	`streuner`	`sure :-), but that's an exeption ;-)`
`19:38.46`	`Charminthemoose`	`giz:Dunno....`
`19:39.04`	`streuner`	`expeptions state the rules (TM) ;-)`
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`19:39.15`	`giz`	`charminthemoose: wot setting's do you have in /etc/network/interfaces ?`
`19:39.16`	`herfer`	`ok, so I guess the bottom line is, if sendmail is running out of xinetd.d, how do I restart sendmail ?`
`19:39.38`	`herfer`	`(since /etc/init.d/sendamil restart doesnt do it, and HUPping xinetd doesnt do it)`
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`19:39.46`	`herfer`	`whe!`
`19:40.19`	`Charminthemoose`	`giz:auto lo iface lo inet loopback`
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`19:40.47`	`giz`	`charminthemoose : you have no settings for eth0 ?`
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`19:41.17`	`Charminthemoose`	`giz:nope,but then again,on this distro i'm using atm,thre's no settings for eth0 either`
`19:41.43`	`giz`	`charminthemoose: wot distro are you using?`
`19:41.54`	`woodgrain`	`is /opt a good place to install software like "firefox"`
`19:42.01`	`streuner`	`no`
`19:42.07`	`Charminthemoose`	`giz:A distro called DamnSmallLinux,based on knoppix`
`19:42.10`	`streuner`	`debian don't use /opt`
`19:42.11`	`simonrvn`	`usually it's /usr/local`
`19:42.16`	`woodgrain`	`streuner, recommendations?`
`19:42.18`	`asg`	`woodgrain: that or /usr/local. Why not just apt-get install it?`
`19:42.18`	`simonrvn`	`Charminthemoose: then why are you in here?`
`19:42.27`	`streuner`	`woodgrain: see what simonrvn told you`
`19:42.45`	`woodgrain`	`asg, synaptic doesn't find a new version of firefox, so why would apt-get?`
`19:43.03`	`herfer`	`ok.`
`19:43.04`	`luke-jr_work`	`wtf... bpo removed 2.6.16?`
`19:43.06`	`giz`	`charminthemoose: wot you need to do is put the network settings in that file for the network you want to conect to then type ifup eth0 and it should work`
`19:43.08`	`asg`	`woodgrain: what version of Debian are you running?`
`19:43.10`	`streuner`	`if you use stable, just use the binaries if needed`
`19:43.15`	`Charminthemoose`	`simonrvn:BUT,my problem is with debian not dsl`
`19:43.19`	`herfer`	`etc/init.d/xinetd restart _also_ did not restart sendmail.`
`19:43.23`	`woodgrain`	`asg, it's brand new, testing.`
`19:43.26`	`Charminthemoose`	`giz:I'll try that.`
`19:43.27`	`herfer`	`whee!`
`19:43.32`	`asg`	`!info firefox etch`
`19:43.34`	`simonrvn`	`whatever`
`19:43.36`	`streuner`	`!info mozilla-firefox etch`
`19:43.41`	`dpkg`	`firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.7-1 (etch), Packaged size: 7797 kB, Installed size: 23712 kB`
`19:43.51`	`tarzeau`	`moo`
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`19:43.55`	`bkw`	`how do I list available networks with a ipw2100 wlan nic?`
`19:43.57`	`asg`	`woodgrain: 1.5.0.7 is new`
`19:44.01`	`streuner`	`asg: ah, thanks.`
`19:44.03`	`tarzeau`	`firefox? lightweight????`
`19:44.07`	`tarzeau`	`HELLOOOO?`
`19:44.13`	`tarzeau`	`!factinfo firefox`
`19:44.14`	`dpkg`	`firefox -- last modified at Tue Jan 3 15:25:28 2006 by KerPlunk!n=diana@82.77.115.216; it has been requested 22 times, last by karsten, 2d 21h 3m 15s ago.`
`19:44.15`	`woodgrain`	`asg, would I put a simlink in /usr/bin if I put 1.5.0.7 in /usr/local?`
`19:44.23`	`tarzeau`	`karsten: what drugs did you eat?`
`19:44.32`	`tarzeau`	`it's HEAVY BLOAT`
`19:44.33`	`streuner`	`woodgrain: 1.5.0.7 is the latest, so what's wrong with the version of etch?`
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`19:44.51`	`simonrvn`	`tarzeau: um, that's straight from the package description, and you're pinging the wrong person...`
`19:45.01`	`herfer`	`omg.`
`19:45.03`	`herfer`	`omfg.`
`19:45.07`	`tarzeau`	`simonrvn: the description is buggy then`
`19:45.27`	`herfer`	`not possible to restart sendmail in debian.`
`19:45.32`	`streuner`	`tarzeau: it is!`
`19:45.32`	`simonrvn`	`yes it is`
`19:45.37`	`tarzeau`	`streuner: bullshit`
`19:45.47`	`streuner`	`tarzeau: according to mozilla itself ... :-)`
`19:45.48`	`tarzeau`	`streuner: ahh sorry i thought you say it is lightweight :)`
`19:45.59`	`woodgrain`	`streuner, oops, I'm running stable. darn.`
`19:46.01`	`luke-jr_work`	`you need to remove sendmail ;p`
`19:46.03`	`herfer`	`ok seriously`
`19:46.05`	`tarzeau`	`yes it (the description) is (buggy)`
`19:46.12`	`herfer`	`I am just going to rip sendmail out of xinetd.d and run it from init.d`
`19:46.13`	`streuner`	`of course, what modern browser is lightweighted?`
`19:46.18`	`herfer`	`that is the only possible thing left.`
`19:46.21`	`luke-jr_work`	`streuner: KHTML`
`19:46.25`	`streuner`	`!tell qani about away`
`19:46.27`	`asg`	`qani: please turn that off`
`19:46.28`	`tarzeau`	`streuner: safari`
`19:46.33`	`herfer`	`wow`
`19:46.34`	`tarzeau`	`streuner: you mean one that renders css?`
`19:46.44`	`streuner`	`tarzeau: that's OSX?`
`19:46.47`	`herfer`	`autocomplete is really useful, and really annoying when people dont understand it.`
`19:46.48`	`simonrvn`	`qani: so is everybody else`
`19:46.54`	`tarzeau`	`streuner: yes`
`19:46.54`	`streuner`	`hehe`
`19:46.59`	`h3sp4wn`	`opera is pretty lightweight`
`19:47.02`	`herfer`	`luke-jr : try to autocomplete your own nick`
`19:47.04`	`herfer`	`seriously`
`19:47.10`	`herfer`	`its good for a laugh, and then annoyance.`
`19:47.10`	`luke-jr_work`	`tarzeau: wtf? Safari renders CSS better than FF or IE`
`19:47.13`	`streuner`	`h3sp4wn: opera is bullshit`
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`19:47.17`	`tarzeau`	`luke-jr_work: indeed`
`19:47.23`	`qani`	`sorry`
`19:47.25`	`tarzeau`	`luke-jr_work: IE is a disaster anyways`
`19:47.26`	`simonrvn`	`!start a browser war`
`19:47.26`	`dpkg`	`Netscape supports standards better than Amanda!`
`19:47.28`	`amphi`	`woodgrain: there's a firefox backport for stable, FWIW`
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`19:47.36`	`luke-jr_work`	`tarzeau: you were implying it didn't it seemed =p`
`19:47.40`	`streuner`	`h3sp4wn: any idea how many connections it opens if you don't pay for?`
`19:47.42`	`mrec`	`does someone know a postal code of edinburgh (UK)?`
`19:47.42`	`luke-jr_work`	`Konq > FireFox`
`19:47.53`	`streuner`	`!fgi mrec`
`19:47.59`	`woodgrain`	`amphi, does synaptic load backports?`
`19:47.59`	`tarzeau`	`luke-jr_work: absolutely. just that the kde ui is a nightmare (to me)`
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`19:48.08`	`h3sp4wn`	`streuner: Its free as in beer now (I don't think you can pay for it)`
`19:48.25`	`simonrvn`	`!fgi mrec edinburgh+postal+codes`
`19:48.25`	`dpkg`	`mrec: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=edinburgh+postal+codes`
`19:48.25`	`streuner`	`free? opera -no way`
`19:48.33`	`luke-jr_work`	`tarzeau: better than FF =p`
`19:48.34`	`amphi`	`woodgrain: no idea about synaptic, but I would imagine so`
`19:48.44`	`tarzeau`	`luke-jr_work: for sure`
`19:48.44`	`amphi`	`woodgrain: see backports.org for info`
`19:48.57`	`asg`	`amphi: he's using etch, he doesn't need a backport`
`19:49.04`	`simonrvn`	`h3sp4wn: no, only if you got the 10th anniversary reggie codes`
`19:49.07`	`h3sp4wn`	`streuner: no source but its free (no longer adds)`
`19:49.10`	`streuner`	`h3sp4wn: free doesn't mean you haven't any disadvantages then...`
`19:49.11`	`asg`	`amphi: my mistake, nevermind`
`19:49.20`	`luke-jr_work`	`h3sp4wn: it can't be free w/o source`
`19:49.49`	`streuner`	`free-source is like RMS say, the sources must be open too`
`19:50.09`	`simonrvn`	`yup`
`19:50.11`	`tarzeau`	`just call it Free Software`
`19:50.13`	`luke-jr_work`	`streuner: 2.6.16 is no better :(`
`19:50.15`	`simonrvn`	`yup`
`19:50.16`	`tarzeau`	`and you can read all on it at www.gnu.org`
`19:50.38`	`streuner`	`luke-jr_work: well, something wrong with your BIOS then, i would guess`
`19:50.55`	`luke-jr_work`	`streuner: since when does Linux need the BIOS anyhow?`
`19:51.18`	`streuner`	`which OS doesn't need BIOS?`
`19:51.24`	`luke-jr_work`	`Linux?`
`19:51.31`	`luke-jr_work`	`OSX?`
`19:51.42`	`streuner`	`cut the BIOS out and throw it into sea, look how many OS work...`
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`19:52.06`	`tarzeau`	`streuner: pc BIOS sucks`
`19:52.11`	`tarzeau`	`streuner: the others don't have a BIOS`
`19:52.15`	`tarzeau`	`streuner: they have real software`
`19:52.16`	`luke-jr_work`	`streuner: Linux and OSX don't need the BIOS`
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`19:52.31`	`tarzeau`	`luke-jr_work: sparc computers don't have a BIOS. they have an open boot prom`
`19:52.38`	`tarzeau`	`s,luke,streuner,`
`19:52.47`	`tarzeau`	`calling it BIOS is like when you say freeware to free software`
`19:52.56`	`tarzeau`	`asg: it's disabled of course :)`
`19:53.04`	`tarzeau`	`asg: just like pluging out the keyboard`
`19:53.07`	`asg`	`tarzeau: of course :)`
`19:53.12`	`tarzeau`	`asg: man i've done many years of sparc computing`
`19:53.27`	`tarzeau`	`asg: i've even built nethack on solaris, sparc`
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`19:53.31`	`tarzeau`	`asg: and run OPENSTEP on it`
`19:53.38`	`tarzeau`	`(native as well as on solaris crap)`
`19:53.39`	`asg`	`tarzeau: I'm not surprised`
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`19:54.38`	`luke-jr_work`	`I've got a box at home-- it's BIOS only supports up to like 20 GB HD`
`19:54.40`	`asg`	`tarzeau: after many years of sharing KVMs with windows admins, I've redefined the ctrlaltdel nerve pinch to 'echo This is not a Windows box Noob'`
`19:54.46`	`luke-jr_work`	`got it running Linux on a 200 GB HD ;P`
`19:54.52`	`tarzeau`	`asg: hhahaa`
`19:55.09`	`tarzeau`	`asg: www.linuks.mine.nu/ctrl-alt-del/`
`19:55.24`	`tarzeau`	`asg: btw and i've felt nostalgic here: www.linuks.mine.nu/amigashell/`
`19:55.24`	`luke-jr_work`	`how do I add kernel options in Debian?`
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`19:55.33`	`asg`	`tarzeau: hehe :)`
`19:55.49`	`streuner`	`via your bootloader`
`19:56.15`	`apecat`	`hello. i'm getting the following message at boot:`
`19:56.20`	`apecat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:56.23`	`luke-jr_work`	`streuner: Debian controls the bootloader`
`19:56.30`	`apecat`	`what should i do?`
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`19:56.39`	`asg`	`apecat: did you run 'fsck' manually as instructed?`
`19:56.56`	`quintin`	`I have an iPaq appliance computer, and the small PC speaker in it is meant to also function as a regular speaker... but ti's not`
`19:57.10`	`quintin`	`I get audio fine through the 1/8" audio on the front, but I want to use the built-in speaker...`
`19:57.11`	`apecat`	`asg: hm yes taht was what i was going to ask. hwo should i run it. it says without -a and p`
`19:57.13`	`quintin`	`any thoughts / ideas?`
`19:57.26`	`luke-jr_work`	`apecat: without -a or -p then`
`19:57.31`	`asg`	`apecat: fsck /dev/<whatever your /home partition is on>`
`19:58.14`	`apecat`	`i see, no parameters. thanks. well i'll see what happens`
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`19:58.41`	`h3sp4wn`	`luke-jr_work: It can be free without source (bsd is the only real free imo anyway) - I don't give a shit whether something is free or not in RMS's terms - just whether I can legally use it without restriction - and if something is better I don't mind paying for it`
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`19:59.32`	`quintin`	`RMS is a donkey`
`19:59.47`	`streuner`	`without RMS you would use windows mostly`
`19:59.47`	`apecat`	`a bearded donkey`
`19:59.48`	`quintin`	`Is there a /dev entry for pc spearker?`
`19:59.56`	`quintin`	`I do use windows mostly`
`20:00.03`	`quintin`	`So I guess it doesn't matter!! :)`
`20:00.08`	`h3sp4wn`	`streuner: bsd probably`
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`20:00.47`	`asg`	`h3sp4wn: though without the GNU toolchain, of course`
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`20:01.02`	`h3sp4wn`	`May or may not have to pay for it (not too important)`
`20:02.07`	`luke-jr_work`	`h3sp4wn: if you don't have the source, how can you modify it?`
`20:02.11`	`streuner`	`keep in mind, what kind of bullshit that effects...`
`20:02.55`	`quintin`	`so how do I make my speaker work? <3`
`20:02.55`	`streuner`	`Eulas, adds, etc. etc.`
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`20:03.58`	`HNT`	`Hello everybody, when I try to install eclipse from the apt, it give lots of gnome dependencies, isn't there any way to install eclipse using only kde ?`
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`20:04.12`	`luke-jr_work`	`streuner: telling Linux to ignore the BIOS and it still doesn't see the PCI cards`
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`20:04.35`	`asg`	`HNT: iirc, eclipse uses the gtk toolkit so some GTK libs will be required`
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`20:05.04`	`HNT`	`ok`
`20:05.07`	`HNT`	`thx`
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`20:05.26`	`pihhan`	`is here someone running samba pdc and ldap backend?`
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`20:06.14`	`l0st]`	`What program i can use for mp3 download?`
`20:06.16`	`h3sp4wn`	`luke-jr_work: Why would I need to modify a web browser (not something I am interested in)`
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`20:06.31`	`luke-jr_work`	`h3sp4wn: to fix bugs; why is irrelevant anyhow`
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`20:06.49`	`raf256`	`how to quickly(!) set up a simple VPN`
`20:06.49`	`pearl`	`l0st]: you can use limewire/frostwire or amule`
`20:06.50`	`luke-jr_work`	`h3sp4wn: why would you ever need to critisize the government? guess you should give up that right too`
`20:06.52`	`streuner`	`!nickometer l=st]`
`20:06.54`	`dpkg`	`'l=st]' is 27.000% lame, streuner`
`20:06.57`	`asg`	`raf256: ssh + pppd`
`20:06.58`	`raf256`	`like I want to setup VPN gate`
`20:07.01`	`pearl`	`l0st]: but its not legal`
`20:07.06`	`raf256`	`asg: VPN over internet`
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`20:07.20`	`luke-jr_work`	`l0st]: any web browser`
`20:07.23`	`luke-jr_work`	`wget`
`20:07.26`	`h3sp4wn`	`luke-jr_work: Well as it stands opera is more standards compliant than firefox so that is a mute point as obviously people aren't that bothered about that too much`
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`20:07.42`	`luke-jr_work`	`h3sp4wn: and Konqueror beats them both`
`20:07.43`	`l0st]`	`no..`
`20:07.51`	`l0st]`	`i mean p2p program`
`20:07.58`	`raf256`	`asg: my IP is A, friends IP is B, how can we make it so that all connections A<-B and B->A are by default transparently encrypted like VPN?`
`20:08.09`	`luke-jr_work`	`l0st]: BitTorrent`
`20:08.15`	`asg`	`raf256: google for simple ssh pppd vpn`
`20:08.15`	`h3sp4wn`	`luke-jr_work: any evidence to backup that claim`
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`20:08.25`	`luke-jr_work`	`h3sp4wn: CSS compliance test results`
`20:08.36`	`h3sp4wn`	`luke-jr_work: Where ?#`
`20:08.52`	`luke-jr_work`	`h3sp4wn: http://google.com/search?btnI=I&q=ACID+2`
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`20:09.36`	`h3sp4wn`	`luke-jr_work: opera passes it`
`20:09.39`	`coax`	`does anyone know a tool for mass renaming og files?`
`20:10.02`	`h3sp4wn`	`luke-jr_work: Identical to the reference rendering`
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`20:10.29`	`luke-jr_work`	`h3sp4wn: that's a recent improvement`
`20:10.43`	`charminthemoose`	`um,yeah,i managed to get online with debian...good old dhcp-client`
`20:10.45`	`luke-jr_work`	`h3sp4wn: Konqueror passed at least a year ago, and continues to improve`
`20:10.55`	`luke-jr_work`	`h3sp4wn: and ACID 2 only tests part of CSS`
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`20:11.35`	`pearl`	`coax: no`
`20:11.47`	`pearl`	`coax: a perl oneliner maybe`
`20:12.35`	`coax`	`pearl, can you make one? i dont know perl!`
`20:12.56`	`charminthemoose`	`anyone have any ideas where i should go with installing stuff like xwindows?`
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`20:13.01`	`asg`	`coax: man rename`
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`20:13.25`	`asg`	`charminthemoose: /msg dpkg set up x`
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`20:13.30`	`pearl`	perl -e '`mv *.og newfilename[0..100].og`;'
`20:13.32`	`pearl`	`dont know =D`
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`20:18.46`	`herfer`	`haha`
`20:18.48`	`herfer`	`what a nightmare`
`20:18.58`	`herfer`	`default sendmail in debian _does not use_ /etc/mail/local-host-names`
`20:19.07`	`herfer`	`I wonder how many thousands of hours have been wasted in the US because of that`
`20:19.11`	`herfer`	`_thousands_`
`20:19.24`	`herfer`	`I've wasted two today.`
`20:19.33`	`herfer`	`I had this flash of brilliancs:`
`20:20.01`	`herfer`	`"no ... it wouldn;t ... no ... but still I should check ... ok ... OMFG ... local-host-names is not defined in sendmail.mc bwahahahaha"`
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`20:20.06`	`asg`	`herfer: that's why Debian ships with Exim by default`
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`20:20.22`	`herfer`	`it ships with exim because the sendmail conf is broken ?`
`20:20.28`	`herfer`	`why not just fix trhe sendmail conf ?`
`20:20.31`	`Braindead`	`herfer: because sendmail sucks.`
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`20:20.46`	`asg`	`herfer: no, exim is easier to work with.`
`20:20.47`	`herfer`	`oh yeah ...`
`20:20.48`	`herfer`	`I forgot.`
`20:21.09`	`herfer`	`this is the "look at my latest pretty boy WM I just downloaded 0-day from sourceforge wheee slashdot first post" crowd.`
`20:21.10`	`herfer`	`silly me.`
`20:21.18`	`fasta`	`What's a good system to encrypt files with arbitrary precision?`
`20:21.31`	`fasta`	`er arbitrary number of bits`
`20:21.44`	`Braindead`	`herfer: this is a crowd that sometimes reads securityfocus and such. sendmail sucks AND is insecure`
`20:21.45`	`asg`	`herfer: no, we are not that crowd either`
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`20:22.07`	`pickcoder`	`sendmail is bloated`
`20:22.22`	`asg`	`Braindead: no, it isn't that insecure these days (though I'll grant you 3 openbsd updates since 3.9 was released)`
`20:22.33`	`Derek1`	`hello,anyonwe know how to mount a hfsplus dmg in linux?`
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`20:23.11`	`Braindead`	`asg: sendmail has an history of being bloated,insecure,boring to configure. that was the point on the whole`
`20:23.39`	`herfer`	`translation: it isn't new and sexy.`
`20:23.45`	`Braindead`	`translation: use postfix`
`20:24.06`	`herfer`	`I'm willing to wager that most of the large sendmail problems were fixed before you had an email address.`
`20:24.24`	`Braindead`	`herfer: 10 years ago?`
`20:24.25`	`wols_`	`herfer: no it is shit unless you really really need it, like a gazillion users, lots of domains with very strange and weird setups etc`
`20:24.27`	`pickcoder`	`I wouldn't say boring.. it's quite powerful if you have the time to read the entire bat book`
`20:24.36`	`herfer`	`yeah, before then.`
`20:24.46`	`wols_`	`basically you only need sendmail if you are a full tim mail admin`
`20:24.49`	`asg`	`Braindead: postfix is fine for simple configurations, it fails where complex routing is required.`
`20:24.49`	`pickcoder`	`postfix is still more powerful than sendmail is`
`20:25.01`	`pickcoder`	`asg: I disagree`
`20:25.12`	`pickcoder`	`the transport map and virtuals as easy to setup`
`20:25.18`	`pickcoder`	`s/as/are`
`20:26.15`	`asg`	`pickcoder: there are times where doing complex rewriting of envelope senders and recipients (that contravene RFCs, I know) are required. Postfix cannot do this without odd custom mangling. Exim can do this easily.`
`20:26.41`	`pickcoder`	`asg: yes.. if you have to rewrite the headers then even sendmail is more flexible`
`20:26.41`	`asg`	`pickcoder: so can Sendmail ... relatively easily`
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`20:28.03`	`pickcoder`	`sendmail still uses up way too many resources`
`20:28.08`	`Braindead`	`back in my days we had no sendmail! just delivermail,AND WE LIKED IT!`
`20:28.12`	`kristalino`	`what means "SASL domain" ?`
`20:28.19`	`herfer`	`yeah.`
`20:28.57`	`fasta`	`How can I encrypt a single file?`
`20:29.14`	`Derek1`	`zip?`
`20:29.47`	`stew`	`fasta: with gpg?`
`20:30.21`	`fasta`	`stew: I don't know, I don't actively use it. Do you know that I can use it for that purpose?`
`20:30.26`	`raf256`	`gpg -c foo`
`20:30.38`	`fasta`	`stew: I saw also user space encrypted filesystems.`
`20:30.46`	`raf256`	`fasta: gpg -c my_horse_pr0n.tgz`
`20:30.54`	`fasta`	`That would be more practical I think.`
`20:31.00`	`fasta`	`raf256: yes, I got the message.`
`20:31.00`	`stew`	`fasta: you definately can use gpg to encrypt stuff`
`20:31.04`	`Derek1`	`haha hotse pron`
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`20:31.25`	`Derek1`	`horse*`
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`20:31.47`	`fasta`	`Ok, and what about these user level encrypted file systems?`
`20:32.00`	`bigh25`	`What is the package name in debian for man pages of the c and c++ standard libraries?`
`20:32.03`	`fasta`	`They are too unstable?`
`20:32.36`	`dendrite`	`bigh25: manpages-dev`
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`20:32.55`	`Derek1`	`anyone know how to mount a hfsplus dmg in linux?`
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`20:33.02`	`bigh25`	`dendrite: Thx`
`20:33.10`	`dendrite`	`Derek1: Does mount support dmg?`
`20:33.16`	`dendrite`	`Derek1: I mean hfs?`
`20:33.19`	`fasta`	`This alsmo looks interesting: http://arg0.net/encfs`
`20:33.20`	`pipeline`	`dendrite, dendrite : Yes.`
`20:33.24`	`Derek1`	`i thought it did,but i cant seem to mount it`
`20:33.30`	`pipeline`	`dendrite, Derek1 : Well, sort of. HFS+ support sucks under linux.`
`20:33.37`	`pipeline`	`Derek1: You have to use -o loop. And mount -ro if you value your data.`
`20:33.38`	`Derek1`	`mount -t hfsplus -o loop myImage.dmg /macdisk doesnt work`
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`20:33.40`	`dendrite`	`Derek1: Try the loopback option. -o loop`
`20:33.45`	`Derek1`	`i did`
`20:33.49`	`pipeline`	`Derek1: HFS+ is a very fucked up filesystem. Beware!`
`20:33.55`	`Derek1`	`hehe`
`20:33.56`	`dendrite`	`Derek1: Ah. Bummer.`
`20:34.00`	`hjubal`	`does qemu package support kqemu?`
`20:34.06`	`Derek1`	`there must be a way`
`20:34.18`	`pipeline`	`hjubal: No. And kqemu sucks anyway.`
`20:34.26`	`AlinuxSOS`	`I would like to file a bug (+ solution) against unifont pacakge that haves crappy Georgian (ka) glyps...maybe someone could help me ?`
`20:34.27`	`pipeline`	`hjubal: Use VMware if you care about performance.`
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`20:34.35`	`pipeline`	`hjubal: kqemu isn't free software anyway,`
`20:34.44`	`hjubal`	`eheh pipeline, no way to use qvm86?`
`20:35.08`	`h3sp4wn`	`hjubal: You can just compile kqemu make a suitable udev rule and use it`
`20:35.10`	`pipeline`	`hjubal: Build it yourself by hand.`
`20:35.35`	`fasta`	`AlinuxSOS: Start the program reportbug and follow instructions`
`20:35.52`	`hjubal`	`ok, tnx pipeline h3sp4wn`
`20:36.14`	`AlinuxSOS`	`faked, hm its unifont package.`
`20:36.23`	`AlinuxSOS`	`what means start the program.`
`20:36.30`	`h3sp4wn`	`hjubal: (udev rule is only needed for etch or sid)`
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`20:37.11`	`fredkas`	`What's a good way to manage services on Debian? I always used ntsysv on redhat.`
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`20:37.29`	`fasta`	`AlinuxSOS: Start a terminal. Type in "reportbug". Press Enter`
`20:37.52`	`Braindead`	`fredkas: sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d`
`20:38.01`	`p13`	`maybe i should try now, HI, is anyone here into hp-pa linux ?`
`20:38.23`	`fredkas`	`Braindead uh?`
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`20:38.36`	`p13`	`i just installed debian on my c180 and the supplied kernel hangs on boot right when it's about to initiate the HIL controller`
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`20:38.52`	`Braindead`	`fredkas: sysv-rc-conf rcconf update-rc.d, is it clearer now?`
`20:38.53`	`fredkas`	`you sure?`
`20:38.56`	`p13`	`i don't have any HIL peripherals so i don't need it, maybe i could pass it some kernel parameter telling it to omit that ?`
`20:38.58`	`hjubal`	`h3sp4wn, I'm running etch.. I dunno how to write such a rule.. I'm going to read more about it , tnx again`
`20:39.21`	`fredkas`	`ok`
`20:39.23`	`fredkas`	`ty`
`20:39.24`	`fredkas`	`=)`
`20:40.00`	`AlinuxSOS`	`fasta, thanks!`
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`20:40.20`	`fredkas`	`do you folks manually edit your init scripts?`
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`20:40.42`	`fasta`	`AlinuxSOS: and please: read the instructions. You want to help the Debian project, not destroy it by flooding them with bogus reports.`
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`20:40.49`	`h3sp4wn`	`hjubal: http://kidsquid.com/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/QemuOnLinux#head-4296e5211ac5e3b1015b83215f7145b8da2f7ec8 (I have just installed it and setup the rule since I have been comunicating with you)`
`20:40.55`	`amr`	`how do i remove a package using alien`
`20:40.56`	`sepski`	`fredkas, why should we ? we have several tools to pick from that does it for us ?`
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`20:41.07`	`garou`	`Hi again... How do I downgrade packages?`
`20:41.07`	`amr`	`its an rpm file`
`20:41.07`	`ma3x`	`hi, why is apt-listbugs crashing the installation of every new program?`
`20:41.10`	`fasta`	`amr: probably you don't.`
`20:41.16`	`amr`	`:\|`
`20:41.23`	`amr`	`so how am i supposed to remove it`
`20:41.25`	`fasta`	`amr: You install a program with alien.`
`20:41.34`	`fasta`	`amr: then you remove it with the Debian tools, IIRC.`
`20:41.41`	`garou`	`i.e. Xorg 7.1 to 7.0?`
`20:41.46`	`sepski`	`garou, purge/remove it`
`20:41.48`	`amr`	`oic`
`20:41.49`	`amr`	`thanks`
`20:41.56`	`fasta`	`!oic`
`20:41.57`	`dpkg`	`methinks oic is pronounced like it is spelled "oh i see"`
`20:41.59`	`Braindead`	`ma3x: http://bugs.debian.org/apt-listbugs`
`20:42.23`	`Derek1`	`amr: you can just use apt or dpkg`
`20:42.29`	`amr`	`how?`
`20:42.35`	`amr`	`all i did was alien -vi blah.rpm`
`20:42.40`	`Derek1`	`apt-get remove --purge packagename`
`20:42.42`	`hjubal`	`h3sp4wn, __great__! I'm reading it :)`
`20:42.42`	`garou`	`sepski: And then?`
`20:42.46`	`Braindead`	`garou: http://snapshot.debian.net and aptitude reinstall foo=version`
`20:42.54`	`amr`	`not repackage it as a deb or anything, Derek1`
`20:42.59`	`sepski`	`garou, then it's gone`
`20:43.03`	`Derek1`	`oh i see`
`20:43.08`	`h3sp4wn`	`hjubal: it doesn't mention you need to run update-modules (which I think is debian specific)`
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`20:46.01`	`amr`	`hmm`
`20:46.05`	`amr`	`i cant seem to remove it using rpm -e`
`20:46.17`	`amr`	`error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2), error: cannot open /var/lib/rpm/packages.rpm`
`20:46.20`	`hjubal`	`h3sp4wn, ok.. the title is QemuOnLinux`
`20:46.35`	`ma3x`	`Braindead, it says We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of`
`20:46.36`	`ma3x`	`apt-listbugs, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive: apt-listbugs_0.0.55_all.deb`
`20:46.36`	`ma3x`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:46.40`	`pipeline`	`hjubal: yech. Screw qemu. VMware is free-as-in-beer now, and that's good enough for me :)`
`20:46.42`	`ma3x`	`but it's not yet in the archive for 3 days!`
`20:46.42`	`h3sp4wn`	`hjubal: You only need the kqemu rules part of it`
`20:46.51`	`KristianLy`	`amr: with alien, the package is just made into a .deb`
`20:47.16`	`amr`	`i am confused`
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`20:47.36`	`h3sp4wn`	`hjubal: User mode linux is loads faster than either qemu or vmware`
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`20:48.01`	`KristianLy`	`amr: explain your problem from start to finish... I can't be bothered to scroll....`
`20:48.20`	`blackelf`	`hjubal: for speed thre is also accelerated qemu, but it is payable AFAIR`
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`20:48.38`	`amr`	`i installed an rpm file using alien with 'alien -iv file.rpm'`
`20:48.52`	`amr`	`now i want to remove it`
`20:49.06`	`hjubal`	`pipeline, I'm running VMWare at work on win host, but I'd like to try qemu, to see if it fits my needs`
`20:49.08`	`KristianLy`	`ok. you do that with dpkg`
`20:49.12`	`KristianLy`	`or apt-get remove`
`20:49.25`	`amr`	`well bugger me`
`20:49.31`	`amr`	`that was rather simple`
`20:49.34`	`sussudio`	`%bugger amr`
`20:49.34`	`KristianLy`	`:)`
`20:49.36`	`amr`	`thanks`
`20:49.52`	`Derek1`	`oh my`
`20:50.12`	`hjubal`	`blackelf, I didn't know it`
`20:50.14`	`Blissex`	`that's terrible! lead is poisonous`
`20:50.18`	`Derek1`	`I prefer aluminum`
`20:50.41`	`amr`	`i prefer the non-poison ones`
`20:51.27`	`KristianLy`	`yup, unspeakable depraved things is ok as long as they are commited with eco-friendly materieals that aren't poisonous.`
`20:51.36`	`amr`	`absolutely`
`20:51.39`	`liable_`	`so, you dont mind being buggered then, as long as its a non-poisonous thing?`
`20:51.44`	`amr`	`correct!`
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`20:54.43`	`Derek1`	`pfft`
`20:55.13`	`Shadowcat`	`damn default install makes you install all 3gb of bloat`
`20:55.31`	`Derek1`	`Shadowcat: it does?`
`20:55.39`	`Shadowcat`	`Derek1: unless you tell it otherwise`
`20:55.40`	`amr`	`i never noticed that`
`20:55.46`	`Shadowcat`	`it'll install everything`
`20:55.55`	`Derek1`	`Shadowcat: that didnt happen to me`
`20:56.00`	`amr`	`im using 593mb`
`20:56.07`	`Shadowcat`	`for matlab full?`
`20:56.10`	`blondie`	`I have 593TB`
`20:56.13`	`amr`	`lol`
`20:56.17`	`Derek1`	`Shadowcat: I didnt even have X installed with the default install`
`20:56.20`	`Shadowcat`	`because that sounds like the student version`
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`20:56.34`	`Bhavesh`	`back`
`20:56.56`	`MatBoy`	`Bhavesh, forward`
`20:57.29`	`Bhavesh`	`MatBoy: UP!`
`20:57.30`	`Bhavesh`	`:)`
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`20:57.59`	`MatBoy`	`Bhavesh, hehe, we can do this for a long long time... but we won't ;)`
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`20:59.01`	`Bhavesh`	`thank ya :) i am actually tired :)`
`20:59.06`	`Bhavesh`	`going home from work in a few minutes`
`20:59.34`	`MatBoy`	`Bhavesh, me too and I have still enough work todo :)`
`20:59.44`	`KristianLy`	`only fun if you do it in vectors`
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`21:00.04`	`Bhavesh`	`same here`
`21:00.12`	`Bhavesh`	`MatBoy: it's been a long day..`
`21:00.20`	`Bhavesh`	`doing almost two people's work here`
`21:00.48`	`MatBoy`	`Bhavesh, ah, I'm 10 persons... but it's lowering down now... was hard for 2-3 years`
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`21:02.26`	`sewi`	`hello, how to configure apache2 in debian sarge to execute cgi scripts?`
`21:02.58`	`sewi`	`any link?`
`21:03.04`	`karsten`	`hjubal: qemu works, it's very convenient, it's about 50% slower than VMWare. Haven't tried the accelerated kernel module (kqemu).`
`21:03.34`	`karsten`	`sewi: aptitude install dwww; http://localhost/dwww/`
`21:03.39`	`MatBoy`	`Bhavesh, but you get so much experience with it for years !!`
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`21:04.18`	`MatBoy`	`Bhavesh, you are a SYSOP ?`
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`21:09.04`	`mr_clark`	`Debian Sarge - How do I upgrade/install Mysql-server-4.1?`
`21:09.05`	`MatBoy`	`sewi, is it not in the apache manual ?`
`21:09.27`	`MatBoy`	`mr_clark, apt-get install mysql-server-41 ?`
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`21:09.31`	`mr_clark`	`I've ended up completely removing 4.0 of mysql but when I run aptitude and select mysql-server-4.1 it says that no packages were selected for install.`
`21:09.43`	`MatBoy`	`or search first... apt-cache search mysql-server`
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`21:10.31`	`MatBoy`	`mr_clark, than it's not available. Read about backporting and stuff`
`21:11.06`	`mr_clark`	`I know I've done it in the past but I can't figure the stupid thing out.`
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`21:11.35`	`mr_clark`	`apt wants to install mysql-common-4.1 (which is fine) and mysql-client-4.1 "but it is not going to be installed".`
`21:11.37`	`apt`	`mr_clark: that's too long`
`21:11.41`	`jelly`	`Is there a GUI that would, for each TCP SYN packet sent from this host, look up the process that tries to connect and ask me whether I want to allow it or not and add a iptables rule accordingly?`
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`21:14.10`	`mr_clark`	`Got it. Installed from the dotdeb packages.`
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`21:16.02`	`sewi`	`MatBoy: thank for help`
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`21:16.29`	`MatBoy`	`sewi, NP !`
`21:16.34`	`shawn__`	`I have an external USB CD writer connected, how do I tell what device its attached to?`
`21:16.54`	`dondelelcaro`	`shawn__: dmesg will tell you.`
`21:16.57`	`stew`	`shawn__: make sure usb-storage and sr-mod modules are loaded then run dmesg`
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`21:17.07`	`shawn__`	`K thanks`
`21:18.51`	`shawn__`	`dmesg: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 3`
`21:19.24`	`shawn__`	`Is that what I am looking for?`
`21:19.38`	`karsten`	`shawn__: dmesg or cat /proc/bus/usb/devices (2.6 kernel).`
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`21:21.47`	`fluvvell`	`in dpkg -l what does rc to the left hand side mean?`
`21:21.54`	`Kurt`	`y'all should use Slackware, because it's NOT run by the Communists`
`21:21.54`	`g333k_work`	`hi, how to search for empty directories?`
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`21:22.15`	`karsten`	`Kurt: got a support question in there?`
`21:22.15`	`Braindead`	`fluvvell: have you seen the fine ASCII-art arrows?`
`21:22.46`	`karsten`	`fluvvell: The legend/key is at the top of dpkg -l output.`
`21:23.01`	`simonrvn`	`Kurt: when you have something sensical to say, come back, y'hear?`
`21:23.12`	`shawn__`	`karsten: I did the cat command and it froze sort of, cant suspend its like its getting standard input`
`21:23.36`	`karsten`	`shawn__: Hrm. Try another shell. Do you have USB support (modules) loaded?`
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`21:23.39`	`shawn__`	`ddffd`
`21:23.42`	`D1E3GU`	`hi`
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`21:23.47`	`simonrvn`	`lo`
`21:23.55`	`karsten`	`shawn__: ??`
`21:24.05`	`simonrvn`	`karsten: ???`
`21:24.11`	`karsten`	`simonrvn: ?????`
`21:24.15`	`fluvvell`	`Braindead, yes - Ah I was grepping out that...`
`21:24.16`	`karsten`	`simonrvn: Now name the sequence ;-)`
`21:24.20`	`simonrvn`	`hey, you missed ????`
`21:24.24`	`karsten`	`simonrvn: Nope.`
`21:24.33`	`simonrvn`	`fibonacci`
`21:24.36`	`karsten`	`Nope.`
`21:24.45`	`azeem`	`primes`
`21:24.52`	`karsten`	`!win azeem`
`21:24.52`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, azeem! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!`
`21:24.57`	`simonrvn`	`dunno. i don't do maths very well`
`21:25.12`	`g333k_work`	`hi, how to search for empty directories?`
`21:25.18`	`simonrvn`	`what did he say?`
`21:25.27`	`fluvvell`	`karsten, so I desired to remove it but the config files are still there?`
`21:25.33`	`amr`	`anyone here use denyhosts?`
`21:25.45`	`karsten`	`g333k_work: man find. '-empty' option. type -d`
`21:26.02`	`karsten`	`g333k_work: ... or rather, '-type d'.`
`21:26.21`	`simonrvn`	`oh, primes`
`21:26.21`	`simonrvn`	`yeh`
`21:26.21`	`karsten`	`g333k_work: Think that should work.`
`21:26.55`	`Kurt`	`y'all would do well to familiarize yourselves with the writings of the eminent 20th-century Russian-American philosopher Ayn Rand`
`21:26.55`	`karsten`	`fluvvell: 'remove' leaves config files and data. 'purge' nukes both. For DB packages, this includes your database tables.`
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`21:27.04`	`karsten`	`!ops Kurt trolling`
`21:27.04`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: Kurt trolling`
`21:27.12`	`karsten`	`Kurt: Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.`
`21:27.28`	`dondelelcaro`	`Kurt: that really belongs in #politics`
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`21:27.34`	`simonrvn`	`Kurt: bit behind in your reading i see`
`21:27.44`	`shawn__`	`Everytime I try to view /proc/bus/usb/devices it freezes`
`21:27.51`	`Kurt`	`karsten: I defy you to refute a single word she ever said or wrote`
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`21:28.01`	`Rez`	`Kurt: rather off topic for #debian, don't you think?`
`21:28.03`	`jelly-home`	`Kurt: oh, go objectivize yourself.`
`21:28.09`	`simonrvn`	`heheh`
`21:28.11`	`dondelelcaro`	`right...#politics is that way --->`
`21:28.17`	`karsten`	`dondelelcaro: Well reputed ;-)`
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`21:28.26`	`shawn__`	`dmesg`
`21:28.29`	`shawn__`	`sorry`
`21:28.38`	`stew`	`dondelelcaro: can i talk to you about a feature request for bugs.d.o`
`21:28.43`	`dondelelcaro`	`stew: sure`
`21:28.51`	`dondelelcaro`	`even in here is fine`
`21:28.53`	`peterS`	`huh. there _is_ a #politics. I guess I'd always assumed it would be ##politics.`
`21:29.10`	`stew`	`dondelelcaro: uhh, nm, i realize i could probably talk directly to a wishlist bug on the bugs.debian.org virtual package`
`21:29.12`	`dondelelcaro`	`peterS: which it should be is also an appropriate question for #politics. ;-)`
`21:29.17`	`peterS`	`heh`
`21:29.18`	`shawn__`	`dmesg gives me this: ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: wakeup`
`21:29.18`	`dondelelcaro`	`stew: that too`
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`21:29.47`	`dondelelcaro`	`stew: debbugs as well (or instead), if it's not specific to the b.d.o install`
`21:29.51`	`karsten`	`shawn__: You're looking for USB storage or what?`
`21:29.52`	`amr`	`uhm`
`21:29.55`	`amr`	`where is hosts.deny ?`
`21:29.58`	`peterS`	`/etc`
`21:30.00`	`simonrvn`	`should be called #fuckingpolitics`
`21:30.01`	`amr`	`i cant see it`
`21:30.13`	`karsten`	`amr: /etc, if it exists.`
`21:30.16`	`karsten`	`amr: Doesn't exist by default IIRC.`
`21:30.23`	`amr`	`oh that would be why :p`
`21:30.24`	`amr`	`cheers`
`21:30.25`	`stew`	`dondelelcaro: no, website. nm me, i'm submitting`
`21:30.27`	`shawn__`	`karsten: I want to know the device for my USB cd writer`
`21:30.42`	`simonrvn`	`try lsusb`
`21:30.43`	`dondelelcaro`	`stew: cool`
`21:30.45`	`karsten`	`shawn__: usb_storage should also be loaded IIRC.`
`21:30.49`	`fasta`	`So.... what's going to be the new name for Firefox in Debian?`
`21:30.49`	`karsten`	`!win simonrvn`
`21:30.50`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!`
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`21:31.03`	`simonrvn`	`oh. wow. snore`
`21:31.04`	`peterS`	`amr: it comes with the 'tcpd' package, aka tcpwrappers, since that is the most popular package that uses it`
`21:31.12`	`amr`	`ahh`
`21:31.26`	`simonrvn`	`and anything with with tcpwrappers support`
`21:31.30`	`simonrvn`	`built with*`
`21:31.58`	`karsten`	`peterS: Created via a postinst? I've got hosts.{allow,deny} but dpkg -L doesn't find 'em.`
`21:32.03`	`shawn__`	`Im restarting`
`21:32.20`	`peterS`	`simonrvn: right, which is why it _should_ come with libwrap0 instead`
`21:32.29`	`simonrvn`	`yeh`
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`21:32.32`	`peterS`	`karsten: no, it's in tcpd on my system. unstable, that is.`
`21:32.36`	`fasta`	`karsten: good choice`
`21:32.48`	`simonrvn`	`well, then wouldn't violate some debian packaging policy then?`
`21:33.12`	`peterS`	`simonrvn: passing a conffile from one package to another is annoying in the best of times. I suppose the maintainer wouldn't be too interested in doing so in this case`
`21:33.18`	`karsten`	`peterS: tcpd installed here, dpkg -L doesn't list any /etc entries.`
`21:33.22`	`simonrvn`	`sticking conffiles in library packages`
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`21:33.41`	`peterS`	`karsten: oh, my bad, I was looking in the wrong place`
`21:33.55`	`peterS`	`simonrvn: oh right, in case there is ever a libwrap1 - who would provide it? that is a point.`
`21:35.09`	`jelly-home`	`karsten: postinst it is: grep hosts.allow /var/lib/dpkg/info/tcpd.postinst`
`21:35.11`	`peterS`	`karsten: yeah, it's created in the tcpd postinst.`
`21:35.44`	`infernix`	`hrm, just wondering, is there any use in running identd these days on public IPs? it's mostly useful inside LANs for various services such as nfs/nis, right?`
`21:35.44`	`infernix`	`or in other words, would disabling it hurt any services severely?`
`21:35.44`	`infernix`	`and no, irc doesnt count :)`
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`21:36.37`	`jelly-home`	`infernix: I haven't seen it used for something useful in this millennium.`
`21:36.52`	`infernix`	`jelly-home: apart for irc i guess, but same here.`
`21:36.54`	`ale00`	`Hi, anybody knows if xen works again on etch?`
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`21:37.09`	`jelly-home`	`infernix: oh, except psql can use it for authentication of local users.`
`21:37.42`	`infernix`	`jelly-home: would suffice to bind it to localhost then on servers, or at least block external access with iptables.`
`21:37.54`	`jelly-home`	`infernix: yep.`
`21:37.57`	`fasta`	`dondelelcaro: just wondering: how many queries get send to dpkg per day?`
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`21:38.47`	`abrotman`	`!stats`
`21:38.47`	`dpkg`	`Since Thu Sep 28 11:05:03 2006, there have been 1 modification, 126 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 31 commands. I have been awake for 10h 33m 43s this session, and currently reference 36906 factoids. I'm using about 13980 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 52.68/2.49 child 0/0`
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`21:39.28`	`abrotman`	`and that's just here .. and probably not even close to correct .. duh`
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`21:39.52`	`quintin`	`define "morons"?`
`21:39.59`	`fasta`	`abrotman: the same bot is in multiple channels?`
`21:40.14`	`fasta`	`abrotman: not anything special about that, though.`
`21:40.16`	`fasta`	`nm`
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`21:40.25`	`jelly-home`	`infernix: maybe you could remove the whole of inetd, all the useful services run as daemons nowadays.`
`21:40.25`	`abrotman`	`fasta: different bot .. same backend .. from what i'm told`
`21:40.38`	`lws_`	`Is there anything going around with testing where local logins fail?`
`21:40.59`	`fasta`	`abrotman: ok, lambdabot is in multiple channels at the same time, but it's not so filled with data as dpkg is.`
`21:41.03`	`lws_`	`I'm having the strangest problem where I start to login, and then am immediately logged out after mail stats are provided.`
`21:41.10`	`lws_`	`But only on local terminals`
`21:41.25`	`abrotman`	`fasta: dpkg has a lot of weird items in there`
`21:41.29`	`infernix`	`jelly-home: on most installations that would work, yeah. i recall that in the past, identd was used by sendmail and perhaps other mailers as well, but I dont think that has any use nowadays`
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`21:42.00`	`Zartosht`	`hello to all`
`21:42.06`	`fasta`	`How can I verify a kernel from kernel.org? I don't see the sign file on their website.`
`21:42.07`	`shawn____`	`K so how do I use my USB cd writer?`
`21:42.10`	`dondelelcaro`	`quintin: morons are anyone who asks questions of dpkg that dpkg cannot understand and/or parse.`
`21:42.17`	`abrotman`	`like`
`21:42.24`	`fasta`	`!eweqeqweqwe`
`21:42.25`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: i can't find it`
`21:42.25`	`Zartosht`	`How can i mount initrd?`
`21:42.29`	`quintin`	`shawn____: plug it in?`
`21:42.31`	`quintin`	`!stats`
`21:42.31`	`dpkg`	`Since Thu Sep 28 11:05:03 2006, there have been 1 modification, 127 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 31 commands. I have been awake for 10h 37m 28s this session, and currently reference 36906 factoids. I'm using about 13980 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 53.13/2.52 child 0/0`
`21:42.40`	`quintin`	`that didn't show up as a moron`
`21:42.41`	`Zartosht`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:42.42`	`fasta`	`Yeah, really reliable...`
`21:42.43`	`lws_`	`onl 39k factoids?`
`21:42.46`	`abrotman`	`only?`
`21:42.58`	`quintin`	`36k`
`21:43.05`	`abrotman`	`round up .. 37k`
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`21:43.21`	`shawn____`	`quintin: THen what?`
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`21:43.44`	`abrotman`	`!moron quintin`
`21:43.44`	`dpkg`	`quintin: You are moron #70`
`21:43.46`	`abrotman`	`did that change it ?`
`21:43.52`	`Zartosht`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:43.53`	`dondelelcaro`	`nah`
`21:44.00`	`abrotman`	`oh well`
`21:44.10`	`dondelelcaro`	`!literal cmd: moron (.*?)`
`21:44.11`	`dpkg`	`"cmd: moron (.*?)" is "($1): $1: You are moron #(1\|2\|3\|4\|5\|6\|7\|8\|9)(0\|1\|2\|3\|4\|5\|6\|7\|8\|9)"`
`21:44.17`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: how does it count .. !tell blah about blah ?`
`21:44.23`	`abrotman`	`as a command ?`
`21:44.25`	`dondelelcaro`	`abrotman: that's a request`
`21:44.34`	`abrotman`	`tha'ts not counted!`
`21:44.36`	`dondelelcaro`	`s/request/question/`
`21:44.40`	`abrotman`	`oh ok`
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`21:44.53`	`dondelelcaro`	`what I just did is a command`
`21:45.09`	`Zartosht`	`please help me`
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`21:45.12`	`Zartosht`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:45.13`	`shawn____`	`I did cat /proc/bus/usb/devices and it shows my cdwriter but where in there is the device in /dev/?`
`21:45.13`	`jelly-home`	`infernix: yeah. Is was also used for rpc services - user-space nfsd before kernel nfsd took over.`
`21:46.01`	`infernix`	`jelly-home: so its only irc then what keeps me from removing it everywhere :)`
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`21:48.17`	`abrotman`	`Zartosht: also try asking #kernel`
`21:49.19`	`jelly-home`	`Zartosht: what do you really want to do?`
`21:49.36`	`abrotman`	`mount the initrd .. duh`
`21:49.44`	`shawn____`	`jelly-home: How do I see the contents of the CD in my USB cd writer?`
`21:50.45`	`Zartosht`	`jelly-home I want to make new initrd`
`21:50.52`	`jelly-home`	`shawn____: take a look at dmesg, last few lines should tell that usb-storage bound the usb device to a scsi cdrom device like /dev/scdX or /dev/srX`
`21:51.06`	`Zartosht`	`and i want to see new initrd content`
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`21:51.48`	`jelly-home`	`Zartosht: initrd might be a gzipped ext2 image, or some other fs gzipped. make a copy, ungzip and mount.`
`21:52.36`	`jelly-home`	`Zartosht: try file /boot/initrd-whatever, and if it says it's a gzip compressed file, try file -z ...`
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`21:53.55`	`Zartosht`	`jelly-home in says ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC)`
`21:54.02`	`jelly-home`	`shawn____: you should be able to use the /dev/scdX or /dev/srX as a normal cdrom device. What distro are you using?`
`21:54.16`	`shawn____`	`jelly-home: Debian`
`21:54.30`	`jelly-home`	`shawn____: stable, testing, unstable? Do you have udev installed?`
`21:54.46`	`Zartosht`	`jelly-home can i extract cpio file?`
`21:55.06`	`jelly-home`	`Zartosht: yes, it's an archive format. man cpio I guess...`
`21:55.22`	`shawn____`	`jelly-home: Debian sarge`
`21:55.59`	`shawn____`	`jelly-home: I dont think I can get udev for sarge`
`21:56.51`	`shawn____`	`jelly-home: Okay I think /dev/scd0 works, what filetype should I say?`
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`21:57.27`	`jelly`	`shawn____: filetype? Do something like mount -o loop /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom`
`21:57.48`	`shawn____`	`Is this the latest stable version of Sarge I should get: http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso`
`21:58.26`	`shawn____`	`jelly: Still asks me what filesystem type`
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`21:59.11`	`jelly`	`shawn____: add -t iso9660 mount -t iso9660 -o loop /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom`
`21:59.35`	`jelly`	`shawn____: is this your only cdrom device?`
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`21:59.38`	`stranger_stone`	`Hello`
`21:59.40`	`stranger_stone`	`:)`
`22:00.48`	`shawn____`	`jelly: No`
`22:01.38`	`shawn____`	`Unable to identify CD-ROM format.`
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`22:02.04`	`nicolas_`	`is there any 686 binary repositories ?`
`22:02.32`	`fasta`	`nicolas_: Let me guess: you use ArchLinux?`
`22:02.33`	`jelly`	`shawn____: paste last 20 lines of dmesg into a pastebin (/msg dpkg paster)`
`22:02.37`	`nicolas_`	`fasta: no`
`22:02.38`	`shawn____`	`jelly: I cant eject the CD on the cd writer, how do I umoun it?`
`22:02.45`	`nicolas_`	`fasta: pure debian sarge`
`22:02.59`	`shawn____`	`jelly: Of dmesg?`
`22:03.00`	`jelly`	`shawn____: apt-get install eject; eject /dev/scd0`
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`22:03.17`	`jelly`	`shawn____: yes.`
`22:03.21`	`fasta`	`nicolas_: ok, well, you can get 686 kernels, and some 686 packages, just search on 686.`
`22:03.59`	`nicolas_`	`so there is no complete repository rebuilt on 686`
`22:04.04`	`fasta`	`nicolas_: probably not`
`22:04.17`	`jelly`	`shawn____: er, are you sure that the cd you put is a data cd (not blank or audio)?`
`22:04.29`	`nicolas_`	`ill need to apt-build the whole thing`
`22:04.40`	`fasta`	`nicolas_: for what purpose and what package?`
`22:04.46`	`shawn____`	`jelly: Wait I put another CD in and it said sr1`
`22:05.04`	`nicolas_`	`fasta: i wanted the whole installation to be at least 686`
`22:05.17`	`nicolas_`	`or at best, built on my machine`
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`22:05.39`	`fasta`	`nicolas_: to get small performance increases?`
`22:05.43`	`nicolas_`	`you'll tell me, use gentoo... but i love debian`
`22:05.45`	`k-man`	`anyone here running apache2.2 from experimental?`
`22:05.46`	`nicolas_`	`fasta: yes`
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`22:06.03`	`fasta`	`nicolas_: Not worth the trouble if you ask most people in this channel, I think.`
`22:06.13`	`Nurbs`	`k-man: I'm not using it, but running it. Why?`
`22:06.20`	`shawn____`	`jelly: I unmounted the usbfs /proc/bus/usb/ or whatever, how do mount it again?`
`22:06.26`	`fasta`	`nicolas_: unless you have thousands of machines, of course.`
`22:06.30`	`nicolas_`	`fasta: at least maybe only for things like xfree`
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`22:06.45`	`fasta`	`nicolas_: how fast is your machine?`
`22:06.50`	`fasta`	`nicolas_: it's xorg now`
`22:06.57`	`brick`	`can anyone tell me the difference between Priority and Niceness? (i am just learning to use the former.)`
`22:07.00`	`nicolas_`	`fasta: with sarge i still have xfree`
`22:07.06`	`k-man`	`Nurbs, oh... just wondering what the status of it is... ie... will i run into problems if i install it under testing?`
`22:07.06`	`fasta`	`nicolas_: oh, right.`
`22:07.18`	`nicolas_`	`fasta: its a celeron 2ghz with 512 ram`
`22:07.57`	`amphi`	`nicolas_: there's a xorg backport if you need it`
`22:07.58`	`Nurbs`	`k-man: probably. at least here I had to recompile PHP 5 and iirc another module to have 2.2 load them.`
`22:08.07`	`k-man`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:08.08`	`fasta`	`nicolas_: backports.org`
`22:08.23`	`jelly`	`shawn____: I think by running /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh start`
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`22:08.31`	`nicolas_`	`fasta: do you thing its worth it ? xorg vs xfree ?`
`22:08.34`	`nicolas_`	`think`
`22:08.39`	`fasta`	`nicolas_: no`
`22:08.41`	`k-man`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:08.48`	`nicolas_`	`i never seen any difference`
`22:08.53`	`nicolas_`	`except the name`
`22:08.57`	`fasta`	`nicolas_: I have seen some difference`
`22:09.03`	`amphi`	`nicolas_: depends - xorg has 3d accel support for my radeon, which xfree lacked`
`22:09.05`	`fasta`	`nicolas_: but nothing I use.`
`22:09.12`	`nicolas_`	`fasta: hrm...`
`22:09.26`	`shawn____`	`jelly: I ran mountnfs, it didn't have the other one`
`22:09.30`	`fasta`	`nicolas_: "if it's not broken, why fix it"`
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`22:09.40`	`Nurbs`	`k-man: Yes. I haven't done much with them, but they're able to publish simple HTML ;)`
`22:09.41`	`nicolas_`	`fasta: for fun :P`
`22:09.43`	`jelly`	`shawn____: I didn't say to run that.`
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`22:09.55`	`fasta`	`nicolas_: oh, in that case do whatever you want. End of discussion.`
`22:10.03`	`shawn____`	`jelly: Well I dont have mountkernfs.sh`
`22:10.05`	`jelly`	`shawn____: It wouldn't help anyway. Lemme take a look on a sarge machine.`
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`22:10.22`	`shawn____`	`jelly: I have mountall.sh`
`22:10.27`	`k-man`	`Nurbs, hmm... ok... i might wait a while before installing it`
`22:10.29`	`nicolas_`	`damn, you don't have to be so aggressive, you answered all my questions anyway`
`22:10.32`	`MatBoy`	`What is good fax software for linux to receive faxes and store them nicely ? Something like WinFax Pro but than in Linux`
`22:11.17`	`ns`	`xcdroast quit running after a recent apt-get upgrade on my debian/testing machine, complaining about WARNING **: Failed to access cdrecord. /usr/bin/cdrecord is a symlink to /usr/bin/wodim , both link and file being 755 and runable from command line. ideas ?`
`22:11.27`	`jelly`	`shawn____: do you have mountvirtfs.sh? use that one.`
`22:11.40`	`jenna`	`how do i split a big, unmanageable log file into smaller log files?`
`22:12.00`	`jelly`	`shawn____: err /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs -- no .sh at the end.`
`22:12.00`	`jenna`	`like after so many lines, split big.log into small-1.log, small-2.log after so many lines and so on`
`22:12.06`	`Nurbs`	`jenna: man split`
`22:12.23`	`quintin`	`jenna: split. go figure!`
`22:12.34`	`quintin`	`jenna: also, you might want to install a log rotator.`
`22:12.48`	`shawn____`	`jelly: Okay I replaced hotplug with usbmgr`
`22:13.00`	`quintin`	`Any idea how to make the PC speaker in my computer work as normal speaker too? It's made to do so, and does under win`
`22:13.10`	`jenna`	`heh thanks`
`22:13.35`	`quintin`	`anything for a unix hip girl`
`22:13.54`	`shawn____`	`jelly: Im going to install hotplug back`
`22:13.58`	`tarzeau`	`!popcon`
`22:13.58`	`dpkg`	`somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff`
`22:14.03`	`azeem`	`quintin: doesn't it sound really bad then?`
`22:14.15`	`quintin`	`azeem: ehmmmm no`
`22:14.18`	`tarzeau`	`quintin: i remove the pc speakers brutally , usually`
`22:14.24`	`quintin`	`azeem: It's a regular speaker`
`22:14.30`	`quintin`	`tarzeau: it's a regular speaker`
`22:14.31`	`tarzeau`	`quintin: it's an IBM speaker`
`22:14.34`	`shawn____`	`jelly: Do I have to mount my cd writer in order to write to the CD?`
`22:14.40`	`quintin`	`tarzeau: no, it's not.`
`22:14.41`	`nicolas_`	`a really cheap speaker`
`22:14.41`	`jelly-home`	`shawn____: no.`
`22:14.42`	`tarzeau`	`quintin: and IBM wasn't ever known for quality products`
`22:14.49`	`tarzeau`	`nicolas_: a really IBM speaker`
`22:14.53`	`tarzeau`	`quintin: indeed it is`
`22:14.56`	`nicolas_`	`haha`
`22:15.09`	`quintin`	`tarzeau: ehm no. Please don't tell me about my hardware, that is sitting in my office, kthnxbie`
`22:15.21`	`quintin`	`And at any rate, I still want to use it, so feel free to comment if you know how :)`
`22:15.27`	`shawn____`	`jelly-home: Okay`
`22:15.29`	`gimmulf`	`Whats the best software to use to make daily backups on a debian server?`
`22:15.45`	`tarzeau`	`quintin: you want it to make beep? in x? console?`
`22:15.49`	`KS-Fan`	`:(`
`22:15.52`	`jelly-home`	`shawn____: and you don't use the srX / scdX device either, you use the generic device sgX . Sometimes programs know to figure it out even if you give them the wrong one, but sometimes they don't.`
`22:15.54`	`quintin`	`tarzeau: NOOOOOOOoooooooooooo`
`22:15.55`	`gimmulf`	`just need backups up certain dirs`
`22:16.15`	`quintin`	`tarzeau: It works as regular sound for system. I want to play music, movies, etc with it`
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`22:16.21`	`tarzeau`	`quintin: are you talking about a real sound card?`
`22:16.28`	`KS-Fan`	`I am dunce`
`22:16.30`	`tarzeau`	`quintin: with the IBM speaker?`
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`22:16.50`	`quintin`	`tarzeau: it is not an IBM speaker and you are being /ignored if you bring it up again. Get a clue ffs`
`22:16.55`	`quintin`	`tarzeau: it's integrated intel sound`
`22:17.00`	`jetx`	`how do you get hibernation going on laptops`
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`22:17.11`	`tarzeau`	`that's not a speaker`
`22:17.12`	`amphi`	`jetx: swsusp`
`22:17.15`	`tarzeau`	`that's a sound card`
`22:17.34`	`tarzeau`	`quintin: and depending on the exact pci id, you can just load the right driver (if it supports it) and it'll work`
`22:17.48`	`tarzeau`	`quintin: of course you might need to install the latest alsa drivers from the internet`
`22:17.50`	`quintin`	`jetx: shouldn't be difficult. Make sure your swap is > than your ram... then you can hibernate. boot with like resume=/my/swap and it writes the data back to core`
`22:17.52`	`fasta`	`quintin: tarzeau not having a clue is rare.`
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`22:18.20`	`quintin`	`tarzeau: sound works fine, I can listen to things through the 1/8" audio connections on front and back..`
`22:18.35`	`amphi`	`jetx: at least that what I use here; 'echo disk > /sys/power/state' will suspend-to-disk (assuming kernel support); when you next boot, you may need to append 'resume=/dev/$SWAP_PARTITION' to restore the state`
`22:18.47`	`jetx`	`ahh do that's why i see 'k(somthing) resume from /dev/hda2... which is my swpa`
`22:19.04`	`jetx`	`but it doesn't do it cuz it never has`
`22:19.06`	`KS-Fan`	`how register?`
`22:19.14`	`jetx`	`thanks amphi and quintin`
`22:19.21`	`jetx`	`my brother's name is quentin`
`22:19.25`	`quintin`	`tarzeau: are you having fun you fuckwad? the speaker is connected to the sound card. dumb fuck`
`22:19.35`	`quintin`	`jetx: =)`
`22:19.38`	`azeem`	`quintin: please watch your language`
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`22:19.42`	`jelly-home`	`quintin: the speaker might be present in alsamixer but muted. the driver might also be configured not to send anything to it by default but to use the "front" stereo speakers only.`
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`22:20.14`	`quintin`	`jelly-home: I've turned up everything in alsamixer... interesting is that the console bell makes the speaker beep, but I can't get regular sound out of it yet`
`22:20.16`	`jetx`	`i spelled it right on the command though`
`22:20.17`	`stew`	`quintin: please dont resort to name calling. use /ignore if you have to`
`22:20.42`	`jetx`	`quintin: is it hd audio? there's a seperate module for it`
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`22:20.51`	`jetx`	`intel-hd-audio or somehting`
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`22:20.55`	`quintin`	`jetx: ah... what is hd audio?`
`22:20.56`	`jelly-home`	`quintin: I'd suggest asking some alsa experts, it's an unusual setup.`
`22:20.59`	`quintin`	`it is intel stuff..`
`22:21.03`	`tarzeau`	`jetx: there are many variations of them`
`22:21.15`	`jetx`	`if it's not a recent card/chip you probably don't have it`
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`22:21.23`	`tarzeau`	`jelly-home: it's really very simple, get the driver that supports your version`
`22:21.24`	`jetx`	`but i don't have it so i know nothing`
`22:21.27`	`tarzeau`	`jelly-home: www.alsa-project.org`
`22:21.27`	`quintin`	`this is a coppermine cellie @ 800mhz`
`22:21.29`	`quintin`	`not recent`
`22:21.52`	`quintin`	`btw, these machines are being sold SHIPPED for $74.95 with your choice of linux loaded. pretty impressive`
`22:22.02`	`mirzilla`	`hi 64bit debian is this support for channel?`
`22:22.15`	`azeem`	`mirzilla: yes, it's fine to ask here`
`22:22.18`	`quintin`	`jetx: what is hd audio?`
`22:22.24`	`jetx`	`high definition`
`22:22.28`	`tarzeau`	`mirzilla: sure`
`22:22.30`	`jelly-home`	`quintin: what alsa driver is the card using?`
`22:22.30`	`jetx`	`the new great thing`
`22:22.34`	`tarzeau`	`mirzilla: alpha? mips? sparc?`
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`22:22.36`	`KS-Fan`	`who speak with Kristen?`
`22:22.41`	`quintin`	`jetx: oh. I figured that. I don't think it is HD... its' just a cheap business desktop`
`22:23.25`	`jetx`	`hmm so what else do i need to do with uswsusp`
`22:23.35`	`quintin`	`jelly-home: not sure.... where do I check that?`
`22:23.47`	`jetx`	`just running it didn't do anything.. file not found`
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`22:24.39`	`jelly-home`	`quintin: cat /proc/asound/modules`
`22:24.50`	`dondelelcaro`	`stew: you meant like this, right? http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386220`
`22:25.13`	`quintin`	`jelly-home: 0 snd_intel8x0`
`22:25.36`	`jelly-home`	`quintin: I suggest getting the latest alsa driver like tarzeau said, and/or asking #alsa`
`22:25.55`	`jetx`	`it's a 2.4 kernel, quintin ?`
`22:26.08`	`shawn____`	`How do I write a image to a CD with cdw?`
`22:26.15`	`quintin`	`jetx: 2.6`
`22:26.23`	`tarzeau`	`jetx: it doesn't matter. alsa drivers work for 2.4 as well as 2.6 pretty well`
`22:26.24`	`jetx`	`heh my other brother's name is shawn`
`22:26.30`	`tarzeau`	`shawn____: cdw?`
`22:26.39`	`tarzeau`	`shawn____: i'd use cdrecord or cdrdao`
`22:26.44`	`shawn____`	`tarzeau: Its a ncurses frontend to cdrecord`
`22:27.01`	`tarzeau`	`shawn____: can it do all that cdrecord can?`
`22:27.19`	`shawn____`	`tarzeau: I dunno, apt-get install cdw`
`22:28.13`	`tarzeau`	`shawn____: looks nice indeed`
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`22:30.05`	`fasta`	/usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/misc/version_vars.mk:55: *** missing `endif'.
`22:30.16`	`fasta`	`I get this when I try to build a kernel using make-kpkdg`
`22:30.28`	`fasta`	`make-kpkg, even`
`22:30.46`	`shawn____`	`tarzeau: DO you know how I would write a iso to a CD with it?`
`22:30.55`	`shawn____`	`tarzeau: Would I add it with "add file"`
`22:30.57`	`tarzeau`	`shawn____: no, but i know how to use cdrecord :)`
`22:31.06`	`tarzeau`	`shawn____: www.linuks.mine.nu/cdrecord/ my notes`
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`22:31.25`	`jetx`	`i get permission denied with echo disk > /sys/power/state`
`22:31.28`	`tarzeau`	`fasta: a typo? checked BTS for kernel-package yet?`
`22:31.35`	`tarzeau`	`jetx: you're root?`
`22:31.39`	`amphi`	`shawn____: cdrecord foo.iso will do if you have /etc/default/cdrecord set up`
`22:31.40`	`jetx`	`i used sudo`
`22:31.56`	`amphi`	`jetx: echo disk \| sudo tee /sys/power/state`
`22:32.00`	`fasta`	`tarzeau: I used the command in dpkg that looked pretty correct. I also had problems when using less options.`
`22:32.01`	`tarzeau`	`echo is a shell builtin`
`22:32.11`	`tarzeau`	`jetx: try with su`
`22:32.20`	`jetx`	`k. 2uboth`
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`22:32.25`	`tarzeau`	`amphi: ugh?`
`22:32.32`	`quintin`	`Pictures!!`
`22:32.33`	`amphi`	`tarzeau: heh`
`22:32.36`	`quintin`	`http://s94847902.onlinehome.us/pix/ipaq/front.jpg`
`22:32.40`	`jetx`	`ugh?`
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`22:33.07`	`jetx`	`oh and do you have to run that everytime you wnat to hibernate, or just the once`
`22:33.43`	`amphi`	`jetx: yes; or you could have an acpi script do it on an acpi event`
`22:33.59`	`Eclipser`	`ugly`
`22:34.03`	`jetx`	`whoa well it sure worked with su`
`22:34.09`	`jetx`	`i didn't try the tee`
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`22:34.24`	`jetx`	`where do i find such a script amphi`
`22:34.47`	`jetx`	`on disk, or on the web`
`22:35.14`	`jetx`	`i've never done hibernation in my life :) till like yesterday`
`22:35.17`	`amphi`	`jetx: have a look under /etc/acpi`
`22:35.20`	`jetx`	`thanks`
`22:35.20`	`shawn____`	`tarzeau: Okay I got your notes, thanks`
`22:35.45`	`amphi`	`jetx: you have a hibernate key (assuming this is a laptop)?`
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`22:36.37`	vin`	`shawn____: fwiw, to add a file, hit space.`
`22:36.47`	`jetx`	`amphi: i'm not sure it has one.. yeah it's an old toshiba tecra 8000 laptop. i can find out if it does though.`
`22:37.20`	`freeone3000`	`I assume that my X isn't working on debian unstable because the newest Xorg release is incompatable with the nvidia binary drivers, and I can easily find a rollback on pakcages.debian.org?`
`22:37.24`	`tosh\|`	`trying to do an ldapadd but I get "no such object, parent does not exist" although slapd.conf and the entry in my ldif file has the same DN`
`22:37.27`	`tosh\|`	`any ideas?`
`22:37.28`	`freeone3000`	`Well, Xorg + KDE.`
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`22:37.36`	`shawn____`	vin`: I dont knwo whether I am suppost to add a ISO image or not
`22:37.38`	`amphi`	`jetx: Fn-summat I guess - you could use any that just generates an acpi event rather than some bios thing`
`22:37.39`	`jetx`	`freeone3000: the .run works jsut fine fo rme`
`22:38.01`	`freeone3000`	`jetx: Newest xorg, newest kde, debian unstable?`
`22:38.04`	`jetx`	`in sid`
`22:38.14`	`jetx`	`yeah all updated. i don't run kde, but it's installed`
`22:38.24`	`amphi`	`jetx: you can see what acpi event is generated by a key combo by stopping acpid and doing 'cat /proc/acpi/event'`
`22:38.24`	`freeone3000`	`Ah... Yeah, seems to be only a problem with KDE then.`
`22:39.12`	`jetx`	`i don't see how kde could mess it up`
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`22:39.19`	`jetx`	`this is the .run right?`
`22:39.33`	`freeone3000`	`This is the run. Works fine, except that the KDE text doesn't show up most of the time.`
`22:39.35`	`jetx`	`not from sources?`
`22:39.38`	`jetx`	`ah`
`22:39.43`	vin`	`shawn____: it just segfaulted here now, stick with cdrecord.`
`22:39.44`	`freeone3000`	`Which is Bad.`
`22:39.54`	`shawn____`	vin`: Okay
`22:39.55`	`saad3000`	`hello, when I do, pppoe-discovery it tells me "Timeout for PADO Packets" any ideas please?`
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`22:40.21`	`jetx`	`freeone3000: i find it's best to uninstall it then reinstall on xorg updates.... btw i'm using the 9.xxx beta driver`
`22:40.34`	`freeone3000`	`jetx: Yeah, I did that. Same problem.`
`22:40.59`	`freeone3000`	`Well, not exactly that. Shutdown X, uninstalled, reinstalled (stuff was slow and flickery), and when I restarted... that error.`
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`22:41.15`	`jetx`	`amphi: tarzeau: it restored it's self great`
`22:41.24`	`jetx`	`thanks. now to get the keypress going`
`22:41.29`	`amphi`	`jetx: cool`
`22:41.39`	`freeone3000`	`So... how should I go about fixing this?`
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`22:41.56`	`jetx`	`i dunno.`
`22:42.07`	`jetx`	`freeone3000: did you ask in #nvidia?`
`22:42.14`	`freeone3000`	`jetx: Nope, gonna try that right now...`
`22:42.15`	`jetx`	`#nvidia`
`22:42.22`	`jetx`	`no ? :)`
`22:42.25`	`amphi`	`jetx: there should be a script in /etc/acpi invoked by an event handler in /etc/acpi/event - you can use those as templates for your hibernate key event handler`
`22:42.41`	`jetx`	`k`
`22:43.04`	`amphi`	`jetx: running acpid with verbose options from the command line can be useful for debugging such stuff`
`22:43.10`	`anabain_`	`does anybody know what does this mean?: xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized`
`22:43.25`	`amphi`	`!xmd5`
`22:43.27`	`dpkg`	`If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 \| diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. See <Xorgmd5> if you are running <Xorg>`
`22:43.29`	`anabain_`	`it appears after finishing dpkg-reconfigure xersver-xorg`
`22:43.30`	`jetx`	`anabain: it's a bug`
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`22:43.35`	`saad3000`	`Why running without acpi=off doesn't boot the kernel?`
`22:43.41`	`jetx`	`drxx 'doesn't work'(tm)`
`22:43.56`	`anabain_`	`jetx, a bug?`
`22:44.02`	`anabain_`	`then I must wait?`
`22:44.05`	`jetx`	`thus spake zarathrustra`
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`22:44.11`	`jetx`	`or whoever (grav)`
`22:44.25`	`amphi`	`!tell anabain_ about Xorgmd5`
`22:44.32`	`jetx`	`that doesn't fix it`
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`22:44.42`	`amphi`	`jetx: no? oops ;)`
`22:44.55`	`jetx`	`he even said it was a bug`
`22:45.08`	`jetx`	`(or i wouldn't say it)`
`22:46.27`	`jetx`	`ah yeah. he said if ppl would ever stop bugging him about xgl he'd fix it (or words to that effect)`
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`22:47.34`	`quintin`	`I am going to perform some Linux desktop usability testing, methinks`
`22:47.38`	`anabain_`	`jetx, then what should I do? purge and reinstall something?`
`22:47.51`	`jetx`	`no. hand edit. :)`
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`22:48.27`	`anabain_`	`ok, easy solution, then`
`22:48.32`	`jetx`	`least it's all i know to do.`
`22:48.59`	`jetx`	`i'm sure you know, but: always make a backup first.`
`22:49.54`	`amphiboid`	`www.debian.org says that planned release date for 4.0 (aka 'etch') is december 2006. The day Debian 4.0 comes out, does it means that version becomes the official 'stable' release?`
`22:50.19`	`KristianLy`	`yes`
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`22:51.11`	`jelly`	`which is the default Berkeley DB version in sarge?`
`22:51.12`	`amphiboid`	`KristianLy: thanks`
`22:51.46`	`quintin`	`So, what are some common every day tasks I should have people perform in my usability testing? Think home user / office people...`
`22:51.59`	`JoshH`	`watching porn`
`22:52.02`	`freeone3000`	`Word processing.`
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`22:52.20`	`jelly`	`read mail, search mail in all folders.`
`22:52.23`	`KristianLy`	`mail, web, presentation, word processing,..`
`22:52.23`	`freeone3000`	`Playing... videos of various kinds, playing dvds, playing music cds, playing regular music, viewing pdfs.`
`22:52.45`	`JoshH`	`playing shockwave games`
`22:52.49`	`jelly`	`playing mp3s from windows shares. reading and writing to windows shared.`
`22:52.52`	`jelly`	`JoshH: hehe.`
`22:52.59`	`jetx`	`!pal JoshH`
`22:53.26`	`jelly`	`JoshH: not an easy task on Linux.`
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`22:53.37`	`freeone3000`	`That means it's possible?`
`22:53.38`	`freeone3000`	`Woot.`
`22:54.05`	`jetx`	`shockwave? maybe in wine i dunno`
`22:54.10`	`garou`	`Which xserver-xorg-core version goes with Xorg 7.0.23?`
`22:54.20`	`jelly`	`freeone3000: works decently in crossover office + ie6.`
`22:55.27`	`jelly`	`freeone3000: crossover is a commercial product though.`
`22:55.39`	`freeone3000`	`Well, yeah.`
`22:55.41`	`freeone3000`	`That's a bad thing?`
`22:55.56`	`jelly`	`freeone3000: just saying`
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`22:57.09`	`jelly`	`freeone3000: I didn't mind shelling out $40, especially since I used it to gain $400, but some Linux users tend to be on a cheap side.`
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`22:58.04`	`jelly`	`freeone3000: it also enables using shockwave in native Linux browsers, but that didn't work as well as in ie.`
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`22:58.25`	`freeone3000`	`And... running windows firefox under crossover office on linux is just... NO.`
`22:59.27`	`jelly`	`freeone3000: heh, it didn't even cross my mind.`
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`23:00.15`	`quintin`	`jelly: You shelled out $40 to get $400?! Explain!`
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`23:00.53`	`quintin`	`Hmm movies yes...`
`23:01.28`	`quintin`	`so far I have thought of making a word document, and a powerpoint document, setting up email in email client they find (I will provide the server) burning aforementioned documents to a CDR`
`23:01.54`	`quintin`	`I will also include watching a DVD movie, listening to an audio CD, and maybe ripping a song ... ooh and probably copy those files they make to a flash drive`
`23:02.13`	`quintin`	`I am going to try to make a little 1 hour program... then sit the people in front of PC with list of tasks, and see how the come out with zero assistance`
`23:02.34`	`quintin`	`and re: shockwave games... yea shockwave not work so well on linux unless I'm out of the loop >:P`
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`23:03.30`	`robin_sz`	`shrug ... seems to work .. I watched all the weebl and bob shockwave stuff on Linux`
`23:03.31`	`jelly`	`quintin: oh, held some classes (+$400) and had to write a powerpoint to go with them (crossover -$40).`
`23:03.52`	`quintin`	`jelly: classes?!!?! Explain!!`
`23:04.04`	`quintin`	`robin_sz: how did you set it up? wine?`
`23:04.14`	`quintin`	`jelly: (open office +$40) ?`
`23:04.17`	`robin_sz`	`nah`
`23:04.27`	`quintin`	`and can I do it with like $36.28 and some navel lint?`
`23:05.39`	`jelly`	`quintin: hmm? You get a group of people and teach them how stuff works, and sometimes you get paid for it.`
`23:05.49`	`quintin`	`jelly: interesting......`
`23:05.54`	`quintin`	`jelly: what do you teach them?`
`23:06.10`	`jelly`	`quintin: it's not that interesting, it's called a job. :-)`
`23:06.28`	`amphiboid`	`if I want to install 'etch' in a domU, can I do a 'debootstrap etch /mnt/partition_Ill_use_for_a_Xen_domU' from sarge?`
`23:06.55`	`jelly`	`quintin: that one was an introduction to regular expressions.`
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`23:07.44`	`jelly`	`quintin: also, openoffice's isn't compatible enough and ppt presentation was a required deliverable.`
`23:07.57`	`quintin`	`jelly: I have not had a "job" since I was 18`
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`23:08.17`	`quintin`	`jelly: where the hell do I find 10 people @ $40 who want to learn regexp?! :(`
`23:08.18`	`jelly`	`quintin: that's interesting.`
`23:08.39`	`lws_`	`Has there been any recent problems in etch were local console logins log out you instantly?`
`23:09.08`	`quintin`	`lws_: someone got cute and changed your shell to /bin/false.`
`23:09.16`	`jelly`	`quintin: oh, the classes were free for them. :-)`
`23:09.21`	`quintin`	`jelly: what's interesting, precious?!`
`23:09.28`	`quintin`	`jelly: free?! how did you make $400 then?`
`23:09.42`	`lws_`	`quintin: no, ssh works fine.`
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`23:10.44`	`pickcoder`	`lws_: ssh isn't chrooted is it?`
`23:10.53`	`lws_`	`pickcoder: ?`
`23:11.00`	`pickcoder`	`never mind`
`23:11.16`	`lws_`	`This just seemingly happened a few awhile back. I haven't worried about it because I can login via ssh and have been busy.`
`23:11.21`	`lws_`	`after I ran an update.`
`23:11.26`	`jelly`	`quintin: was paid by the employer to hold the class for them.`
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`23:11.48`	`lws_`	`I can't see anything different between pam.d/login and pam.d/ssh that's substantial`
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`23:12.43`	`quintin`	`I think MS employees are brainwashed`
`23:12.44`	`quintin`	`I am not kidding`
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`23:12.52`	`quintin`	`I ask my friend at MS for ideas re: usability testing`
`23:12.57`	`quintin`	`and he's all I'm not going to discuss this with you`
`23:13.01`	`quintin`	`I don't find the topic interesting`
`23:13.02`	`quintin`	`etc`
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`23:13.22`	`pickcoder`	`lws_: is there anything odd in ~/.bashrc`
`23:13.35`	`nevyn`	`quintin: that was an unfair thingto expect him to discuss with you really`
`23:13.57`	`menace`	`does someone use successfully the wintv pvr 250 with debian (testing)?`
`23:14.10`	`jelly`	`quintin: a single sample does not a pattern make.`
`23:14.43`	`lws_`	`pickcoder: newp, I even removed it. And there's no .bash_login. (which would cause a difference between ssh and login shells.)`
`23:15.15`	`jelly`	`M$ products are really a lot more friendlier than a typical Linux desktop.`
`23:15.22`	`quintin`	`jelly: learn to spell plz`
`23:15.37`	`pickcoder`	`lws_: what about ~/.profile`
`23:15.44`	`jelly`	`quintin: I'm not a native speaker, cut me some slack.`
`23:15.47`	`anabain_`	`how could I set an existing /home partition in my hdd to be /home again after reinstalling the system? now this partition is not seen by my fresh deb...`
`23:15.53`	`lws_`	`pickcoder: removed that too. this happens to _all_ my accounts.`
`23:16.05`	`quintin`	`jelly: I'm talking about M$. it annoys me`
`23:16.05`	`KristianLy`	`jelly: friendlier to who ?`
`23:16.24`	`KristianLy`	`novices, sure...`
`23:16.26`	`jelly`	`KristianLy: to aunt Nellie user type.`
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`23:17.44`	`garou`	`jelly: In my personal experience means that I had a disposition towards what to expect from Linux products. It has shifted a lot over the years, but with reversed poles, the principle still holds true.`
`23:17.57`	`jelly`	`KristianLy: also to me when I have to get things done and don't have time to tinker. Pretty much the only thing holding me to a Linux desktop is Debian's package management and mutt.`
`23:18.01`	`woodgrain`	`is libgtk2.0 the same as gtk+-2.0 ? The versioning looks contiguous, but I can't find gtk+-2.0 >=2.4.0 ...`
`23:18.26`	`KristianLy`	`jelly: I like the ability to look under the hood without the help of a hexeditor`
`23:18.44`	`cydork`	`woodgrain, configure script?`
`23:19.07`	`woodgrain`	`this is the ./configure for pcb`
`23:19.18`	`KristianLy`	`jelly: but of course, anyone who's a bit honest with them self can agree with your arguments ...`
`23:19.44`	`cydork`	`woodgrain, what is it? it's not in debian?`
`23:19.45`	`nevyn`	`jelly: I can do work on a windows machine.. it's painful to achieve some outcomes tho`
`23:20.25`	`woodgrain`	`gtk+-2.0 is a package my configure script wants. not finding much info on it.`
`23:20.45`	`cydork`	`!info pcb`
`23:20.51`	`dpkg`	`pcb: (printed circuit board (pcb) design program), section electronics, is optional. Version: 20060822-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1491 kB, Installed size: 3828 kB`
`23:20.55`	`cydork`	`woodgrain, are you looking for this ^^`
`23:21.15`	`woodgrain`	`cydork, that's it. should be real debian friendly., same ver.`
`23:21.41`	`cydork`	`woodgrain, then why are you compiling it?`
`23:21.44`	`quintin`	`!info wtf`
`23:22.01`	`quintin`	`!info stfw`
`23:22.03`	`quintin`	`!info utsl`
`23:22.06`	`quintin`	`hmph`
`23:22.12`	`quintin`	`useless`
`23:22.25`	`woodgrain`	`cydork, for the experience ???`
`23:22.26`	`gimmulf`	Hi, im getting mail locally to my user like 5 times per hour. It says: mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/run/sendmail/msp': Permission denied Please help
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`23:22.46`	`cydork`	`woodgrain, experience of??`
`23:22.46`	`jelly`	`quintin: use /msg dpkg stuff instead of !...`
`23:23.06`	`quintin`	`gimmulf: you probably have a cron job running every twelve minutes`
`23:23.22`	`woodgrain`	`cydork, learning ... with the hope that soon I'll be able to build the cvs flavors, since this software is growing fast.`
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`23:23.37`	`jelly`	`gimmulf: did you have sendmail installed on this machine?`
`23:23.55`	`gimmulf`	`jelly: not sure, think i use ENix`
`23:24.07`	`jelly`	`gimmulf: exim?`
`23:24.28`	`woodgrain`	`cydork, so the binaries have whatever needs to come from a library built in?`
`23:24.28`	`gimmulf`	`jelly: ahh yes :)`
`23:24.43`	`cydork`	`woodgrain, first of all you dont learn by compiling packages, second if it's script it checks for the existance of some file. dig it and you will find the answer`
`23:26.39`	`jelly`	`gimmulf: paste the output of "dpkg -l sendmail\* exim\*" on a pastebin, sounds like a leftover cron job from a previous sendmail installation. Probably have to purge the remaining conf.file.`
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`23:26.40`	`gimmulf`	`jelly: ahh i have a sendmail file in cron.d/`
`23:26.51`	`gimmulf`	`jelly: /20 * * * smmsp test -x /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail && /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail cron-msp`
`23:27.25`	`jelly`	`gimmulf: do a dpkg -S /etc/cron.d/sendmail then dpkg --purge that package`
`23:27.46`	`gimmulf`	`jelly: dpkg: /etc/cron.d/sendmail not found.`
`23:27.52`	`cydork`	`jelly, are you jelly-home or a different jelly?`
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`23:28.10`	`jelly`	`cydork: both`
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`23:28.35`	`jelly`	`cydork: that is, both nicks are mine.`
`23:28.37`	`jetscreamer`	`lies!`
`23:28.39`	`gimmulf`	`jelly: http://pastie.caboo.se/15393`
`23:28.42`	`jetscreamer`	`imposter!`
`23:28.55`	`jetscreamer`	`i'm not jetx, either`
`23:29.08`	`cydork`	`jelly, heh tought so. well hope joomla will make it to debian soon ;)`
`23:29.25`	`jelly`	`jetscreamer: I'm not really myself either, someone has broken into my account.`
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`23:29.56`	`jelly`	`gimmulf: dpkg -P sendmail-cf sendmail-base`
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`23:30.27`	`cydork`	`basks?`
`23:30.28`	`gimmulf`	`jelly: ok done`
`23:30.32`	`gimmulf`	`jelly: what did that do?`
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`23:30.37`	`SpaceFrog`	`How can I make my debian server into a Backup server? What software would you recommend? I have 4 linux-based PC's that will need to back their data up on this server.`
`23:30.52`	`cydork`	`SpaceFrog, rsync :)`
`23:30.58`	`jelly`	`gimmulf: it removed leftover sendmail packages that you don't need since you have exim.`
`23:31.02`	`anabain_`	`how could I set an existing /home partition in my hdd to be /home again after reinstalling the system? now this partition is not seen by my fresh deb...`
`23:31.05`	`gimmulf`	`ahh ok jelly`
`23:31.14`	`SpaceFrog`	`cydork: Thanks`
`23:31.19`	`jelly`	`gimmulf: is the /etc/cron.d/sendmail still there?`
`23:31.26`	`cydork`	`anabain, edit your fstab`
`23:31.29`	`gimmulf`	`jelly: nope :), thanks for your help`
`23:31.37`	`jelly`	`gimmulf: yw`
`23:33.49`	`jelly`	`SpaceFrog: how much data? Do you have tape drives or tapes?`
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`23:34.20`	`SpaceFrog`	`jelly: There's about 25gb of data per computer, at this time. and no, i don't have tapes`
`23:35.21`	`jetscreamer`	`cydork: like getting a tan... basking.`
`23:35.35`	`jetscreamer`	`well you could be doing both`
`23:35.57`	`jelly`	`SpaceFrog: you can check out various rsync wrappers or utilities that use rsync-like protocal like rsnapshot, dirvish, rdiff-backup, duplicity, ... there's a lot of those.`
`23:36.14`	`SpaceFrog`	`Well, i found this tutorial: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/15/1931240`
`23:36.17`	`SpaceFrog`	`with a shell script`
`23:36.21`	`cydork`	`jetscreamer, oh ok , i just asked coz dict basks didn't show anything :P`
`23:37.07`	`jelly`	`SpaceFrog: well, rsnapshot and dirvish are not much more than glorified shell scripts around rsync.`
`23:37.15`	`SpaceFrog`	`I might look into one of those wrappers then :)`
`23:37.42`	`SpaceFrog`	`Which would you recommend?`
`23:38.43`	`pipeline`	`SpaceFrog: don't forget to use lvm snapshots...`
`23:39.07`	`cydork`	`pipeline, lvm?`
`23:39.19`	`jelly`	`SpaceFrog: rsnapshot is easiest to set up. dirvish has a bit more features, especially concerning expiry of old backups. duplicity has pgp encryption. I'm sure that rdiff-backup has distinctive features but I can remember them atm. ;-)`
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`23:39.43`	`pipeline`	`cydork: apt-get install lvm2`
`23:39.59`	`SpaceFrog`	`ah, i see.`
`23:40.09`	`pipeline`	`SpaceFrog: i.e., make a snapshot before beginning your backup. Back up from the snapshot. Then kill the snapshot.`
`23:40.25`	`litage`	does dpkg or apt have a utility similar to `rpm -V`? (Verifying a package compares information about the installed files in the package with information about the files taken from the package metadata stored in the rpm database.)
`23:40.28`	`SpaceFrog`	`pipeline: That sounds like a good idea. thanks, i'll look into it`
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`23:40.46`	`cydork`	`litage, debsums?`
`23:40.54`	`pipeline`	`SpaceFrog: The catch is that you have to leave some unallocated pv space if you ever want to take snapshots :X`
`23:40.59`	`litage`	`cydork: checking, thanks`
`23:41.02`	`cydork`	`litage, or i didn't get your question :P`
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`23:42.03`	`jelly`	`pipeline: can lvm2 snapshot capability be added to already installed system?`
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`23:45.06`	`malawar`	`is there any way to set a timeout for an interface?`
`23:45.18`	`malawar`	`say i unplug eth0, i don't want it to take forever trying to bring up eth0 when i boot`
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`23:45.38`	`MatBoy`	`Hey cydork, :)`
`23:45.51`	`cydork`	`MatBoy, hello :)`
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`23:47.33`	`exticyd3`	`whats the location of my X configuration file?`
`23:48.48`	`jelly`	`exticyd3: either /etc/X11/ xorg.conf or XF86Config-4`
`23:48.51`	`litage`	`exticyd3: usually /etc/X11/XF86Config-`
`23:48.52`	`Ezz`	`what comand from bash can I use to get a report of current kernel version running?`
`23:48.54`	`litage`	`exticyd3: usually /etc/X11/XF86Config-4`
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`23:49.05`	`litage`	`Ezz: man uname`
`23:49.11`	`Ezz`	`tnks`
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`23:51.19`	`jetscreamer`	`-r`
`23:53.34`	`exticyd3`	`is there another X config file im not seeing because the one im viewing dosnt seem like the setting that XF86config wrote...?`
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`23:54.47`	`fernet`	`malawar, check out laptop-net and ifplugd`
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`23:55.27`	`MatBoy`	`beware... cydork just told me he is so drunk...`
`23:55.45`	`cydork`	`MatBoy, they know :)`
`23:55.54`	`jetscreamer`	`cydork is drunk 24/7.. you didn't know?`
`23:56.05`	`cydork`	`MatBoy, see ^^`
`23:56.07`	`MatBoy`	`cydork, ah, than it's allright... I will never give you so much beer in 1 week anymore ;)`
`23:56.22`	`MatBoy`	`jetscreamer, ah... I thought only in the evening :P`
`23:56.23`	`exticyd3`	`is XF86Config-4 the config file written by XF86Config?`
`23:56.37`	`MatBoy`	`jetscreamer, nice boss he must have :)`
`23:56.41`	`Blissex`	`exticyd3: if you want yes.`
`23:56.42`	`jetscreamer`	`it would be xf86config i 'think'`
`23:56.57`	`jetscreamer`	`but i forget`
`23:57.03`	`cydork`	`MatBoy, hehe you have no idea ;)`
`23:57.04`	`MatBoy`	`I think the same`
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`23:57.20`	`exticyd3`	`yes i realize that but had xf86config write the settings to the file when i try to edit the file its none of the options i picked in the config progra`
`23:57.21`	`cydork`	`exticyd3, what are you trying to do?`
`23:57.34`	`cydork`	`!drxx exticyd3`
`23:57.34`	`dpkg`	`exticyd3: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
`23:57.34`	`MatBoy`	`cydork, you didn't had any experience with woman you told me :P`
`23:57.42`	`exticyd3`	`get my x server to work with this peice of crap S3 Virge 64 card`
`23:57.51`	`jelly`	`exticyd3: what debian release are you using?`
`23:58.00`	`cydork`	`exticyd3, read what dpkg said ^^`
`23:58.15`	`exticyd3`	`latest stable`
`23:58.18`	`exticyd3`	`s3`
`23:58.42`	`exticyd3`	`i just ran the net install earlier this morning`
`23:58.55`	`jetscreamer`	`i thought you were micheal j's current boitoi cydork`
`23:59.04`	`jetscreamer`	`:o`
`23:59.10`	`jetscreamer`	`:)`
`23:59.33`	`mirzilla`	`so the 50XX intel dont support sse4?????????`
`23:59.43`	`exticyd3`	`dpkg, what is <xmd5>`
`23:59.44`	`dpkg`	`...but what is already something else...`
`23:59.47`	`cydork`	`jetscreamer, heh`
`23:59.50`	`cydork`	`!xmd5`
`23:59.50`	`dpkg`	`If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 \| diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. See <Xorgmd5> if you are running <Xorg>`

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