| 00:00.00 | cydork | exticyd3, use /msg dpkg |
| 00:00.14 | exticyd3 | right |
| 00:00.43 | kintaro0e | hi guys..how to update the cached records of the bind servers.for example: foo.com[which is from the internet] change its ip. but the previous ip of the foo.com is cached in my dns server. how to update it to reflect the correct ip? |
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| 00:01.04 | Blissex | kintaro0e: restart the server dæmon |
| 00:01.16 | roby | I mounted my USB stick, did some work and un-mounted, but the LED on the stick is still on. If I used the stick on my Windows box, the LED always goes off when I "Safely remove hardware". What do I do on Linux? |
| 00:01.39 | kintaro0e | Blissex: is there no other way? |
| 00:02.05 | jelly | exticyd3: does it not work with s3virge driver? |
| 00:02.06 | jetscreamer | xmd5 is something that is broken in etch and sid |
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| 00:02.15 | dvs | roby: Once you unmount it, it's safe to remove |
| 00:02.25 | jetscreamer | yeah i 'think' xorg does s3 |
| 00:02.31 | roby | dvs: thanks |
| 00:02.36 | jetscreamer | virge? heh. i had a virge |
| 00:02.41 | jetscreamer | NO 3d |
| 00:02.54 | jetscreamer | 2d was nice |
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| 00:03.04 | exticyd3 | im going to try again switching the video memory back to 2mb |
| 00:03.14 | Blissex | kintaro0e: there is another way but it is slower and more complicated. |
| 00:03.22 | jetscreamer | course it wasn't in linux.. you may have better luck with 3d |
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| 00:03.32 | jelly | S3 trio64 and S3 Virge to some extent had very nice text modes, 100x37 @ 90Hz with svgatextmode. |
| 00:03.41 | Alexismoy | Hi |
| 00:03.55 | Alexismoy | How to know the version of a package that I'v added into backports? |
| 00:03.58 | jetscreamer | i have something very bad to say: |
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| 00:04.36 | jetscreamer | win9xse supports this old toshiba laptop a lot better than etch, imo. not a lot but you can tell... it's the xorg i think. |
| 00:04.45 | jetscreamer | draggy |
| 00:04.46 | exticyd3 | lspci says S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64+] |
| 00:05.06 | O2 | Hello |
| 00:05.20 | O2 | Anybody awake? |
| 00:05.24 | jetscreamer | ok ban me now |
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| 00:05.35 | kintaro0e | Blissex: how? |
| 00:05.45 | MatBoy | jetscreamer, cysork just processed his first error :p |
| 00:05.54 | MatBoy | *cydork |
| 00:06.31 | Medmerd | Hey, i wondering if anyone know what this error means (gnome-session:1049) |
| 00:06.34 | jelly | exticyd3: that's not a virge card, that's the previous chip. s3 driver is supposed to work but I haven't had any experience with it. |
| 00:06.40 | craigevil | kintaro0e try flushing NDS: rndc flush |
| 00:06.54 | exticyd3 | i have a ACER lcd 19inch what would be a good refresh and sync range |
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| 00:07.07 | O2 | I wonder if anyone knows what's the differences between the 1DVD & 2DVD version of debian? |
| 00:07.17 | exticyd3 | so just s3 generic? |
| 00:07.25 | pipeline | exticyd3: The only refresh rate is 60 Hz. |
| 00:07.34 | dvs | O2: Nothing. 1DVD is just the first DVD. |
| 00:07.39 | exticyd3 | what about snync range |
| 00:07.40 | pipeline | exticyd3: You can enter any values you want for the sync ranges, as it's modern enough that DDC will make sure that only correct values are used. |
| 00:07.49 | O2 | I am gonna download the debian DVD and make it by my DVDwriter |
| 00:07.57 | exticyd3 | horix? |
| 00:08.06 | menko | hi.. I want to enter just a couple of japanese characters. What is the best way to do this? I was thinking an onscreen keyboard, but I can't find the one I'm thinking of in synaptic. |
| 00:08.08 | O2 | dvs: :P , thanks!! |
| 00:08.13 | Blissex | kintaro0e: create a mirror DNS server for the same entry. redirect DNS queries to the mirror. |
| 00:08.25 | jelly | pipeline: hmm, are you sure that S3 Trio can read DDC? |
| 00:08.26 | kintaro0e | Blissex: cool..thanks |
| 00:08.32 | pipeline | jelly: hahahahhahahah |
| 00:08.37 | O2 | dvs: then what |
| 00:08.50 | pipeline | exticyd3, jelly : Sorry; I told you wrong. An S3 Trio can't possibly drive a 19" monitor. Throw it away, get a better graphics card. |
| 00:08.55 | O2 | dvs: then what are in the two DVDs? |
| 00:08.59 | pipeline | exticyd3: Most S3 trio's are only capable of 640x480. |
| 00:09.03 | dvs | O2: if you have a fast internet connection, you can download the pakcages you don't have off of the internet |
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| 00:09.25 | Medmerd | Um anyone know where there is a gnome channle perhaps? |
| 00:09.44 | jelly | pipeline: that's just plain wrong, it has probably 2MB of mem and can run 1024x768 at 70, maybe 85Hz. |
| 00:10.18 | exticyd3 | i dont have a AGP slot |
| 00:10.43 | O2 | dvs: but I prefer putting it in an DVD-R |
| 00:11.15 | nrl | Medmerd: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels |
| 00:11.20 | O2 | could you have a look for me? http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/ |
| 00:11.28 | jetscreamer | jelly: yeah that's what i remember |
| 00:11.32 | dvs | O2: The two DVD's have the entire Debian sarge distro while the one DVD has the more popular packages. |
| 00:11.36 | jetscreamer | it was a virge not a trio though |
| 00:11.49 | exticyd3 | lspci says S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64+] |
| 00:12.21 | O2 | dvs: I don't think it has two DVD, it seems that they are of different year's releases |
| 00:12.37 | Medmerd | nrl: thanks |
| 00:12.40 | O2 | dvs: debian mirror: http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/ |
| 00:12.48 | jetscreamer | there were 2 dvd's in the set last time i looked |
| 00:13.09 | dvs | O2: That's Knoppix. Not Debian. |
| 00:13.24 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 00:13.31 | pipeline | jelly: Most S3 Trios have 512k or 1M of RAM. |
| 00:13.40 | O2 | dvs: :P , heh, Knoppix is based on debian |
| 00:13.41 | pipeline | jelly: Most don't have a fast enough RAMDAC to get to 1024x768@60 |
| 00:13.43 | jetscreamer | no please don't paste the !knoppix factoid |
| 00:13.47 | dvs | !knoppix |
| 00:13.48 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 00:13.58 | Ronin | O2: but not debian |
| 00:14.00 | jetscreamer | what part of don't... the ' ? |
| 00:14.06 | Ronin | jetscreamer: heh |
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| 00:14.12 | pipeline | exticyd3, jelly: And the XF86 drivers for the S3 Trio are *terrible*. They were reverse engineered, so they're very, very, very, very flaky (depending on card revision) |
| 00:14.13 | jelly | pipeline: hm, you're probably right. I might have been running it at 8bit to get larger res. |
| 00:14.27 | jetscreamer | my virge (not trio) has 2mb |
| 00:14.32 | jetscreamer | had |
| 00:14.35 | pipeline | jelly: 8bit support is extremely problematic, and 16 bit support nonexistent. I tried to get grayscale 8 bit on S3 trio for some shit terminal machine *shudder* |
| 00:14.37 | O2 | But it's based on debian, right? |
| 00:14.37 | jetscreamer | i think i sold it |
| 00:14.43 | jelly | pipeline: xfree86 3.3.6 drivers were ok. |
| 00:14.48 | Ronin | O2: based doesnt = is debian |
| 00:14.50 | pipeline | jelly: Only for certain revisions of the chip. |
| 00:14.51 | jetscreamer | 02 which gives you no help here |
| 00:15.00 | dvs | O2: your point is? They are not interchangable. |
| 00:15.02 | jetscreamer | 02 did you try #knoppix? |
| 00:15.09 | O2 | dvs: I know now, Knoppix only needs one DVD, not two. |
| 00:15.15 | jetscreamer | 02 you should try #kanotix if you like knoppix |
| 00:15.22 | Ronin | and debian doesnt need any |
| 00:15.27 | exticyd3 | what is fatal error 104 connection reset by peer |
| 00:15.36 | jetscreamer | 02 or d/l the debian dvd's |
| 00:15.57 | Ronin | or the netinstall, or cd 1 and use apt-get etc etc etc |
| 00:16.05 | O2 | jetscreemer: I know, I would try #knoppix later. But I also installed Debian in my vmware |
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| 00:16.30 | jelly | pipeline: so, he should get somthing like ati rage pro or riva tnt for PCI? Maybe even a later Voodoo card. ;-) |
| 00:16.38 | jetscreamer | 02 take it from me #kanotix > knoppix |
| 00:16.44 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 00:16.55 | O2 | Debian has two DVDs, right? I wonder if I have to download both two DVD, or only the first one? |
| 00:17.09 | jetscreamer | just the first |
| 00:17.14 | jetscreamer | but yes there are 2 |
| 00:17.24 | Ronin | O2: you dont have to get any of them if you dont want to |
| 00:17.30 | jetscreamer | that too |
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| 00:17.34 | jetscreamer | !netinstall |
| 00:17.34 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 00:17.38 | Ronin | O2: did you get asked already if you have a fast connection? |
| 00:17.41 | O2 | Ronin: :P |
| 00:17.52 | dvs | Ronin: He prefered the DVDs |
| 00:17.53 | O2 | I have ADSL 2MB |
| 00:18.18 | Ronin | dvs: takes a bit longer then, but ive done it on dialup so hey it can be done |
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| 00:18.44 | pipeline | exticyd3, jelly : http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=ATI-RAGEXL-8M&cat=VCD |
| 00:18.51 | O2 | YES, i am new to debian, or linux. so I want to install it many times to study it. |
| 00:19.28 | jelly | pipeline: wow, they still sell those? I thought they were only found on server motherboards nowadays. |
| 00:19.39 | Ronin | O2: so dl various ones and try them but give them at least a month minimum before trying a different one |
| 00:19.40 | exticyd3 | thanks |
| 00:19.46 | pipeline | jelly: dude, it's fucking geeks.com. It's probably a shipment that fell off a truck in mexico in 1996. |
| 00:20.06 | pipeline | jelly: They're the Masters Of New Old Stock |
| 00:20.27 | jelly | pipeline: d'oh, I want a Voodoo 5/5500 then! :-) |
| 00:20.42 | dvs | Ronin: ouch! |
| 00:20.44 | pipeline | jelly: Keep your eyes peeled. |
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| 00:21.05 | O2 | Ronin: thanks for your advice! I haven't succeeded in install a debian with x-server :( So I sometimes learn linux with Knoppix, which needn't be installed. |
| 00:21.24 | jetscreamer | !info dia sarge |
| 00:21.25 | jelly | For superior graphics performance, this ATI Rage XL PCI Video Card delivers! Order now! ($9.50) |
| 00:21.26 | dpkg | dia: (Diagram editor), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.94.0-7sarge3 (sarge), Packaged size: 180 kB, Installed size: 436 kB |
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| 00:21.46 | Ronin | O2: then just ask your question, installing x isnt that hard, even i got it with a bit of help :) |
| 00:21.55 | O2 | I think I should download the two DVD of debian , and the DVD of knoppix ! and try them a lot! :) |
| 00:21.57 | pipeline | jelly: Check out the "notes" |
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| 00:22.10 | pipeline | jelly, exticyd3 : I know these guys are scary, but it really is a legitimate shop. They just sell the weirdest fucking shit. |
| 00:22.19 | pipeline | jelly, exticyd3 : It's the computer equivalent of allelectronics.com- |
| 00:22.44 | O2 | Ronin: Mmmm, I will. |
| 00:23.03 | shwag | im not seeing mod_env in the repositories |
| 00:23.12 | Ronin | O2: remember theres term irc clients, you can always get to a #debian |
| 00:24.20 | dvs | Ronin: Shhhhhhhh! Don't say that! ;-) |
| 00:24.35 | Ronin | dvs: sorry, its the beer making me talk out of turn :) |
| 00:24.42 | O2 | Ronin: :) I will try install x server in debian base system a moment later |
| 00:25.10 | jelly | pipeline: wtf, there's also a PCI radeon 9250 with DVI. I guess that's nice for a third head or something. |
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| 00:25.55 | O2 | dvs: :P did you use wide-screen LCD monitor? |
| 00:26.14 | dvs | O2: nope |
| 00:26.21 | sid | Can someone do me a favor who is running sid, and type apt-get build-dep gnash; and paste me the results(don't hit enter) |
| 00:26.24 | sid | I need a list of packages |
| 00:26.54 | O2 | dvs: setting 1280x800 resolution is difficult... |
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| 00:28.17 | SpaceFrog | Anyone know of a linux app that will output PDF417 barcodes? |
| 00:28.20 | O2 | dvs & Ronin: do you use windows? I am almost a master of windows, but lost in linux! |
| 00:28.43 | dvs | O2: at work, |
| 00:28.48 | Ronin | O2: i do at work and theres actually a windows box at home as well |
| 00:28.58 | Ronin | doesnt get turned on often mind you but its here |
| 00:29.03 | shwag | whats the deal with mod_env ?? |
| 00:29.05 | shwag | donde |
| 00:29.12 | jelly | O2: if you have a laptop, googling for your model and linux can do wonders for finding about hardware tweaksand stuff. |
| 00:29.28 | dvs | Ronin: blasphemy! |
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| 00:29.31 | magyar | what option do i use to show the penguin image on kernel load? |
| 00:29.45 | pipeline | jelly: http://tinyurl.com/axjgz ;_; |
| 00:29.56 | Ronin | dvs: cod2 and house guests, its easier then trying to explain fluxbox :) |
| 00:30.06 | dvs | magyar: framebuffer |
| 00:30.10 | O2 | jelly: I am too new of doing things about tweaking linux |
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| 00:30.19 | O2 | too new to. |
| 00:30.26 | dondelelcaro | shwag: what about it? |
| 00:30.38 | jelly | pipeline: yuck. ;-) |
| 00:30.39 | shwag | dondelelcaro: i cant find it |
| 00:30.59 | O2 | Ronin & dvs: how long have you join linux? |
| 00:31.05 | dondelelcaro | shwag: it's in apache-common (or apache2-common) |
| 00:31.06 | shwag | dondelelcaro: apt-cache search mod_env shows nothing |
| 00:31.09 | jelly | O2: hope you're not too new to Google. |
| 00:31.12 | dondelelcaro | !tell shwag -about search |
| 00:31.17 | dvs | O2: Whenever bo (Debian 1.3) came out |
| 00:31.24 | Ronin | O2: off and on maybe 5 years, 3 dedicated now though |
| 00:31.40 | dvs | !bo |
| 00:31.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
| 00:31.49 | dvs | ay carumba! |
| 00:31.55 | O2 | jelly: :) that's true. I would try googling... |
| 00:31.57 | jelly | when was apt introduced, slink? |
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| 00:32.19 | shwag | dondelelcaro: how did you find it. that bot isnt saying |
| 00:32.28 | magyar | dvs: frame buffer is set by default, on RPM based systems when kernel loads a penguin is representing the number of cpu's |
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| 00:33.19 | O2 | Ronin & dvs: then how long does it take you to be familiar with it and can do almost everything you want? |
| 00:33.21 | Alexismoy | Someone knows if the upgrade from backports packages of postfix from version 2.1.5 to 2.3.3 is clean ? |
| 00:33.22 | DaBlade | http://digg.com/tech_news/Intel_proudly_shows_off_snooping_tech |
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| 00:33.31 | Ronin | O2: ill let you know when i am :) |
| 00:33.38 | dvs | O2: years. |
| 00:33.43 | Ronin | O2: its a continuing learning process |
| 00:33.44 | DaBlade | Looks like the dark age of computing is beginning. Intel have begun shipping treacherous computing. |
| 00:34.51 | jelly | magyar: hm, if you want fb, use video=vesa and vga=769 boot options. Substitute 769 for your favourite mode from /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt |
| 00:34.53 | dvs | DaBlade: Say wha? |
| 00:34.55 | O2 | So sad to hear that! I master windows only several months. |
| 00:35.00 | DaBlade | dvs: http://digg.com/tech_news/Intel_proudly_shows_off_snooping_tech |
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| 00:35.24 | Ronin | O2: no you didnt |
| 00:35.26 | DaBlade | dvs: look at lafkon.net/tc and defectivebydesign.org for an explanation of what treacherous computing means.. |
| 00:35.44 | O2 | jelly: that's a series of commands with preffix apt-, right? |
| 00:35.59 | Ronin | O2: you can run it, you can install things but i doubt you mastered it in several months |
| 00:36.19 | simonrvn | i very much doubt it |
| 00:36.22 | jelly | O2: the more important of them, yes. |
| 00:36.23 | dvs | DaBlade: I'm almost afraid to |
| 00:36.28 | magyar | jelly: i have framebuffer starting, but usually on mandrake i used to get two penguins on dual cpu systems when framebuffer was set to 769 and such |
| 00:36.35 | O2 | Ronin: you are so kind, ^_^ |
| 00:36.49 | DaBlade | dvs: It's basically hardware designed to restrict and monitor the users. |
| 00:36.55 | DaBlade | dvs: Hardware-level DRM. |
| 00:36.58 | jelly | magyar: well you'll get two penguins on Debian too when you install a smp enabled kernel. |
| 00:37.01 | magyar | jelly: someone told me that it is disabled on debian systems |
| 00:37.03 | shwag | when I do apache2 -l | grep env i see mod_env.c but if I locate mod_env , even after a updatedb , i see it nowhere on my system. |
| 00:37.11 | magyar | jelly: i don't |
| 00:37.13 | O2 | but where should I get the help with those commands? apt-get apt-setup..... any more? |
| 00:37.14 | dvs | DaBlade: fuck that! I'll never buy it. |
| 00:37.19 | Ronin | O2: man apt |
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| 00:37.31 | Ronin | assuming you have debian installed, if not search on man apt |
| 00:37.35 | DaBlade | dvs: The problem is, all major hardware companies are part of the TC group |
| 00:37.52 | DaBlade | dvs: That includes Intel, AMD, ATi, nVIDIA and almost any other major tech company you can think of. |
| 00:38.01 | dvs | DaBlade: Asus? |
| 00:38.02 | DaBlade | It's going to be hard to avoid them... |
| 00:38.06 | DaBlade | Yup |
| 00:38.06 | magyar | jelly: is video=vesa a must if i have vga=769? |
| 00:38.11 | simonrvn | so don't buy new if at all.. |
| 00:38.23 | mentor | It's alright, we cna make our own processors |
| 00:38.46 | simonrvn | gonna have to.. |
| 00:38.53 | dvs | DaBlade: I'm sure that there will be some hardware manufacturers that won't participate and they'll be the darings of the open source crowd. |
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| 00:39.08 | jelly | magyar: specifying the fb driver surely can't hurt. |
| 00:39.10 | shwag | it appears its compiled into apache2. |
| 00:39.20 | DaBlade | dvs: I wouldn't bet on it.. :( |
| 00:39.21 | O2 | Ronin: I learnt only a little on these commands: vi, apt-get, apt-setup, ls, dir, mkdir... I wonder if there're some document or books that would introduce these useful functions |
| 00:39.26 | mentor | The problem is not with the TC itself. The problem is that it is not understood who is supposed to do the trusting |
| 00:39.44 | dvs | DaBlade: I would. I can't imagine anything with 100% participation. |
| 00:39.48 | DaBlade | dvs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing_Group#Members_of_the_TCG |
| 00:40.11 | mentor | In fact, Linux has drivers to use the a TPM |
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| 00:40.17 | etzerd | hello all |
| 00:40.26 | Ronin | O2: you asked for it. :-) http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz |
| 00:40.31 | jelly | magyar: I dunno really, I always use them in pair. I have to use vga= to get my strange 1280x800 mode, and I use vesa or intelfb to choose which fb driver to use today. |
| 00:40.39 | magyar | jelly: "kopt=root=/dev/sdb1 ro video=vesa vga=795" |
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| 00:40.51 | DaBlade | Unfortunately, Linux has the best TC drivers. I wish there were none at all.. |
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| 00:41.07 | dvs | DaBlade: Gigabyte and MSI aren't there. |
| 00:41.08 | simonrvn | doesn't mean it should be used... and i find the idea disgusting. some no-face no-name people deciding for me what's best for me... no thanks |
| 00:41.19 | etzerd | jelly: do you have problem setting up your driver to 1280X800? |
| 00:41.20 | DaBlade | dvs: The complete list is on TCG's homepage |
| 00:41.23 | magyar | jelly: so in your case when the kernel loads you see the penguins? |
| 00:41.24 | Volvo | BrB |
| 00:41.40 | jelly | magyar: looks reasonable. I think 2.6 kernels also know vga=0x305 so you might not have to convert to decimal. |
| 00:41.47 | DaBlade | dvs: This is a good article on TC: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html |
| 00:41.49 | mentor | simonrvn: As I say, the problem is it is not understood who is supposed to do the trusting. |
| 00:41.50 | simonrvn | jelly: yes |
| 00:41.58 | Ronin | O2: learning debian linux by oreilly: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/index.html |
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| 00:42.04 | magyar | jelly: is that the highest resolution? |
| 00:42.07 | jelly | magyar: yes. Only one on this single core machine. |
| 00:42.07 | mentor | simonrvn: The owner of the TPM should be the one doing the trusting. Not anyone else. |
| 00:42.13 | simonrvn | mentor: i don't trust *them* :) |
| 00:42.17 | simonrvn | yes |
| 00:42.21 | mentor | simonrvn: neither do I. |
| 00:42.27 | jelly | etzerd: no, it just worked. |
| 00:42.28 | simonrvn | but it all backwards ... |
| 00:42.33 | simonrvn | it's* |
| 00:43.00 | magyar | jelly: i could never get it to show, odd |
| 00:43.10 | magyar | on number of systems |
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| 00:43.42 | jelly | magyar: I found the safest thing to make it work is to compile fb and vesafb directly into the kernel. |
| 00:44.09 | etzerd | jelly: the reason that I asked you is because I have a Nvidia videocard GeForce 6200 after the installation the Xserver doesn't work. I have a problem of Pointing device error which I do not konw what else to do. |
| 00:44.22 | mentor | I thought the technology was evil, but then I remembered, it's only people who can be evil. |
| 00:45.06 | etzerd | When I set the display to VESA it's work, but I only have 800X600 resolution. |
| 00:45.07 | simonrvn | mentor: yeh, it's a tool.. it's how it's used. when $$ is involved, you can be sure it's not for the people's(s') good |
| 00:45.23 | jelly | etzerd: the pointing device sounds like your X can't find any mouse device. |
| 00:45.37 | etzerd | that is exactly that! |
| 00:46.00 | jelly | etzerd: it's a separate issue from the resolution. |
| 00:46.02 | etzerd | my mouse device is a wireless logitech and keyboard |
| 00:46.04 | Ronin | mentor: its not the evil people we have to worry about its the ones who dont do anything about them, my apologies to alfred einstein on that misquote |
| 00:46.07 | magyar | jelly: CONFIG_FB_VESA=y and CONFIG_FB=y are both set on the kernel by default |
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| 00:46.33 | jelly | magyar: don't forget the 8x16 font, some logos and you're all set I think. |
| 00:46.45 | mentor | simonrvn: Any entity will try to to maximise the amount of profits it makes. It's the natural state of the system. |
| 00:47.04 | etzerd | jelly: how should I solve this problem? |
| 00:47.17 | simonrvn | mentor: yeh, but is it ethical? |
| 00:47.18 | jelly | magyar: also, the card must have a VESA BIOS (obviously) |
| 00:47.59 | eul- | on a technical level what does tc mean? |
| 00:48.07 | mentor | simonrvn: There are two problems: that the entity is deceitful/fraudulent in their business practices; that the people who give money to the entity are stupid. |
| 00:48.08 | eul- | i mean what is it going to stop you doing? |
| 00:48.40 | jelly | etzerd: dunno. what kernel are you running? xfree86 or xorg? Which xorg version? Did you install drivers from NVidia? |
| 00:49.15 | simonrvn | mentor: yes. the former will deceive the latter into thinking they're ok, the latter assume the former are ok, which they're not. |
| 00:49.27 | etzerd | xorg, I'm using the testing etch version |
| 00:50.02 | quintin | Ok, what is the super cool super awesome hostname of the PCs on your network??! |
| 00:50.04 | mentor | simonrvn: Any good free market and democratic society is founded on mutual distrust. |
| 00:50.10 | simonrvn | mentor: also, most "sub-systems" disregard any kind of truly long-term effects of what they do |
| 00:50.23 | simonrvn | mentor: i disagree |
| 00:51.59 | simonrvn | why i disagree is because if you're to have something that looks out for people, you have to have a certain measure of trust that people will do "the right thing", and with that, education, giving them a good reason to do the right thing, you will have a positive outcome. |
| 00:52.59 | magyar | jelly: if you "cat /proc/fb" what do you get? |
| 00:53.16 | jelly | mentor: bah, every contract you sign is a declaration of trust. You expect the other side to come through. There couldn't be any market without trust. |
| 00:53.37 | simonrvn | quintin: there's an RFC for that, hostname themes, for instance. think of a preferred theme, then focus on that |
| 00:54.00 | etzerd | jelly: Like you said before the problem of the pointing device might be the mouse. do you think that I should try another mouse and keyboard? |
| 00:54.05 | simonrvn | that's what a fair amount of people do |
| 00:54.07 | quintin | simonrvn: right but I want to know what YOURS is... RFC on it.. weird. |
| 00:54.21 | simonrvn | rfc is just 'request for comments' |
| 00:54.30 | jelly | magyar: I'm not currently on the machine with VESA fb but radeonfb, so "0 ATI Radeon Ya" |
| 00:54.35 | simonrvn | why? you don't usually ask that |
| 00:54.40 | eul- | "For years, Bill Gates has dreamed of finding a way to make the Chinese pay for software: TC looks like being the answer to his prayer" -- lol |
| 00:54.53 | simonrvn | well, i wouldn't anyway |
| 00:55.07 | quintin | simonrvn: ok? I know what rfc means |
| 00:55.31 | jelly | etzerd: hmm, try loading mousedev kernel module if it's not there. |
| 00:55.31 | eul- | TC sounds like the most evil thing ever. |
| 00:55.39 | quintin | eul-: what is TC |
| 00:55.51 | eul- | http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html |
| 00:55.51 | DaBlade | quintin: http://lafkon.net/tc |
| 00:55.55 | DaBlade | quintin: Watch that video... |
| 00:56.26 | quintin | DaBlade: quick time?! pffffft |
| 00:56.31 | etzerd | jelly: how do I do that? I'm not a professional yet in Linux especialy Debian? |
| 00:56.33 | simonrvn | mentor: regardless, i still wouldn't want that on a computer, too open to abuse |
| 00:56.37 | DaBlade | quintin: They've got other formats too |
| 00:56.38 | magyar | jelly: so it is safe to assume that when you build the kernel you set "CONFIG_FB_RADEON=m" to yes |
| 00:56.42 | DaBlade | quintin: mpeg, ogg theora etc.. |
| 00:56.45 | quintin | DaBlade: yea talked to soon. looking.... |
| 00:56.52 | DaBlade | :) |
| 00:57.04 | jelly | etzerd: as root, do "modprobe mousdev", then restart X. |
| 00:57.11 | simonrvn | er |
| 00:57.31 | quintin | downloading 22mbyte xvid now. eta 40s |
| 00:57.49 | jelly | magyar: to ... =y, yes |
| 00:57.50 | DaBlade | ok :) |
| 00:57.55 | mentor | jelly: No, if they don't comply with the contract then it's a breech of contract; there's only a limited amount of trust. If you truly trusted them you would not need a contract... |
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| 00:58.22 | nvz | contracts are about more than trust |
| 00:58.57 | etzerd | Jelly: thanks, I'm going to tried that. |
| 00:58.59 | magyar | jelly: i'll try, thanks |
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| 00:59.46 | jelly | etzerd: sorry, there's a typo up there. modprobe mousedev |
| 01:00.04 | etzerd | one last question. I only have this problem with Debian. I tried lot of distros all of them work fine no problem. |
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| 01:00.46 | jelly | etzerd: Debian is not as polished as it could be. This is especially true for testing and unstable. |
| 01:00.51 | DaBlade | quintin: Watched it yet? |
| 01:00.53 | mentor | nvidia nasty non-free ness |
| 01:00.58 | simonrvn | mentor: people aren't stupid, they just have to be given the chance to, and *see* that what they'll do will benefit them and others. if they don't get that sight, then they'll be likely to do the wrong thing, because they don't see that their efforts will have *any* benefit. it's a totally different approach than "repress and keep them dumb and scared" - what we see now |
| 01:01.22 | quintin | DaBlade: no sorry.. talking about hostnames with some people |
| 01:01.28 | DaBlade | ok |
| 01:01.33 | DaBlade | Well, I'm going to bed. |
| 01:01.34 | quintin | opening now... |
| 01:01.35 | etzerd | jelly: trust me Debian look good regard to other distro |
| 01:01.43 | DaBlade | Spread the word about treacherous computing, people. |
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| 01:02.40 | magyar | my x server is dead again |
| 01:02.47 | magyar | joke |
| 01:03.30 | nvz | eww |
| 01:03.45 | dvs | magyar: Yeah, X sucks! ;-) |
| 01:03.47 | simonrvn | think outside the box ;) |
| 01:04.28 | dan2 | where's abrotman |
| 01:04.31 | magyar | dvs: damn maintainers :) |
| 01:04.38 | jelly | simonrvn: I got to question the "not stupid" theory when I look at the current state of the world. :-> |
| 01:04.42 | nvz | hey if you keep it in the box it wont go stale as fast :P |
| 01:04.53 | petemc | dan2: north jersey, last i heard |
| 01:05.05 | dan2 | ahh, maybe he's going to see Leimy |
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| 01:06.17 | eul- | I'm reading all this about TC and it seems like I'm reading some futuristic big-brother book you'd laugh at if you didn't know could really become the future |
| 01:06.37 | DaBlade | eul-: It's already here... |
| 01:06.40 | magyar | you mean THC |
| 01:06.55 | eul- | Where? Get my gun! |
| 01:07.14 | eul- | This is the first I've heard about it.. I mean I've heard about hardware drm |
| 01:07.17 | magyar | da bomb |
| 01:07.19 | eul- | but this is just INSANE |
| 01:07.29 | DaBlade | eul-: Dude, the Linux kernel already has drivers for it |
| 01:07.35 | DaBlade | And has for years. |
| 01:07.41 | eul- | Hmm |
| 01:07.46 | jelly | eul-: hey, at least you don't live in a country so paranoid it takes fingerprints and digital photos of every foreign person entering. |
| 01:07.48 | eul- | So it's not a really taking off then? |
| 01:07.49 | magyar | what about the GPLv3 poll? |
| 01:08.10 | dvs | DaBlade: sleep typing? |
| 01:08.15 | DaBlade | eul-: http://digg.com/tech_news/Intel_proudly_shows_off_snooping_tech |
| 01:08.24 | DaBlade | dvs: Yeah. :) |
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| 01:09.00 | DaBlade | eul-: They're gradually phazing out the old system where the user determines the trustworthiness to them determining the trustworthiness of things. |
| 01:09.08 | eul- | Well I don't know anyone that has a TC chip/hardware |
| 01:09.12 | DaBlade | eul-: It started with Pentium 3 |
| 01:09.32 | jelly | eul-: every thinkpad has one. |
| 01:09.42 | DaBlade | And all Apple X86 boxes have them |
| 01:09.49 | DaBlade | People just aren't aware of it |
| 01:09.55 | jelly | teehee |
| 01:10.00 | simonrvn | started pretty late relatively speaking, on mac ppc; dunno about server grade power sub-arch though, probably about the same time |
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| 01:10.58 | eul- | How can people not know? |
| 01:11.03 | eul- | It sounds so drastic |
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| 01:11.23 | jelly | eul-: what? People don't care. |
| 01:11.35 | simonrvn | because they don't bother to check, and quite often are never told, and don't realise the implications |
| 01:11.38 | DaBlade | eul-: They aren't informed |
| 01:11.46 | DaBlade | simonrvn is right |
| 01:12.07 | iter | our sunfires have that |
| 01:12.09 | simonrvn | this is my earlier point of having an informed populace ... |
| 01:12.14 | DaBlade | Campaigns like the FSF's DefectiveByDesign exist for the purpose of informing people about it |
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| 01:12.23 | DaBlade | But they need a lot more people to be effective. |
| 01:12.33 | iter | cept we never never shut them off |
| 01:12.44 | jelly | eul-: do you care eg. about oncoming shortages of drinkable water caused indirectly by global warming? |
| 01:12.53 | dan2 | hmm |
| 01:12.54 | iter | but I personally would love to be able to check bios settings remotely |
| 01:13.06 | dan2 | I haven't read GPLv3, what's debian legal say about the differences? |
| 01:13.06 | iter | or not have to xross my fingers when I restart a remote machine |
| 01:13.09 | DaBlade | iter: in TC, BIOS wouldn't exist any more |
| 01:13.20 | DaBlade | iter: It'd be replaced by a completely proprietary system called EFI |
| 01:13.33 | simonrvn | this is why geeks and technical people need to explain things carefully, reasoned out, and in a non-technical way, otherwise you lose people to jargonese, being turned off by zealousness, or whatever |
| 01:13.36 | DaBlade | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface |
| 01:13.40 | iter | efi schmeefi |
| 01:13.52 | iter | I'd like to be able to edit it remotely |
| 01:13.55 | dvs | DaBlade: EFI has been around for a while. It's just that no one uses it. |
| 01:14.16 | DaBlade | dvs: Just like Palladium chips in processors, there's going to be a gradual shift towards it |
| 01:14.16 | simonrvn | some of the x86 macs are using it now |
| 01:14.19 | jelly | openprom on suns rules. |
| 01:14.31 | simonrvn | i like OF |
| 01:14.58 | DaBlade | jelly: LinuxBIOS ftw. ;) |
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| 01:14.58 | simonrvn | !ftw |
| 01:14.59 | dpkg | [ftw] wtf backwards |
| 01:14.59 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 01:14.59 | DaBlade | Anyway, I really need to go to bed. |
| 01:15.04 | DaBlade | simonrvn: "for the win" |
| 01:15.07 | jelly | for great justice? |
| 01:15.14 | DaBlade | It's 03:15 and I got school tomorrow. |
| 01:15.19 | simonrvn | !ftw is also for the win |
| 01:15.20 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 01:15.24 | jelly | omg its 03:15 here too. |
| 01:15.26 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 01:15.32 | DaBlade | Nite |
| 01:15.46 | simonrvn | 21:15 here |
| 01:15.55 | jelly | east coast? |
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| 01:16.01 | DaBlade | jelly: Norway |
| 01:16.02 | nvz | yep |
| 01:16.03 | dvs | Thu Sep 28 21:16:00 EDT 2006 |
| 01:16.09 | simonrvn | est5edt |
| 01:16.48 | dvs | edit? ;-) |
| 01:16.54 | simonrvn | heh |
| 01:17.00 | dvs | I don't like daylight saving time either. |
| 01:17.03 | nvz | I heard they might do away with the daylight savings |
| 01:17.07 | dvs | and it gets worse next year |
| 01:17.11 | nevyn | I just don't like time |
| 01:17.18 | simonrvn | yeh, edit it out ;) |
| 01:17.23 | nevyn | timezones daylight savings... |
| 01:17.45 | nevyn | it's all evil |
| 01:18.05 | dvs | *e |
| 01:18.49 | simonrvn | hehe, damned flat over there, and i wouldn't want to move to saskatoon, they hate natives there |
| 01:19.20 | dvs | simonrvn: "wheat" not? ;-) |
| 01:19.38 | quintin | simonrvn: I'm not finding that rfc |
| 01:19.55 | simonrvn | quintin: uh, hld on, i'll se if i can find it for you |
| 01:20.03 | simonrvn | pardon the typos |
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| 01:25.44 | O2 | download download downloading... happy happy everything... |
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| 01:26.07 | litage | i ran a script containing a command like this: foobar >> $LOGFILE 2>&1 when 'foobar' finished, this error occured: line 176: syntax error near unexpected token `&' line 176: `&1' should the "2>&1" be before the ">> $LOGFILE" ? |
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| 01:28.55 | simonrvn | quintin: RFC 1178 |
| 01:29.01 | simonrvn | !rfc 1178 |
| 01:29.05 | simonrvn | !rfc1178 |
| 01:29.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rfc1178 is Choosing a name for your computer. D. Libes. Aug-01-1990. (Format: TXT=18472 bytes) (Also FYI0005) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) |
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| 01:29.38 | simonrvn | found it via google's search |
| 01:29.45 | nevyn | !rfc1796 |
| 01:29.45 | dpkg | hmm... rfc1796 is Not All RFCs are Standards. C. Huitema, J. Postel & S. Crocker. April 1995. (Format: TXT=7049 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) |
| 01:29.49 | lunaphyte | what is the difference between regular, xen, and vserver linux-image packages? |
| 01:29.53 | nevyn | hrm |
| 01:29.59 | nevyn | well.. |
| 01:31.03 | ^majik^ | lunaphyte: the latter two are for doing virtual servers. you probably just want the regular |
| 01:31.19 | lunaphyte | thanks |
| 01:31.30 | quintin | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 01:33.37 | konfuzed | hey does anyone know about turn-tables ? |
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| 01:33.48 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: which type? |
| 01:33.53 | petemc | spinning the wheels of steel? |
| 01:34.04 | spldart | If I used wget does it bring the file being 'gotten' to the directory I'm in currently? |
| 01:34.05 | eul- | does debian have a nice way for doing uml servers? |
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| 01:34.15 | dvs | 1's and 2's? |
| 01:34.17 | petemc | eul-: xen works well |
| 01:34.27 | eul- | never seen that, i thought it was commercial? |
| 01:34.53 | konfuzed | dondelelcaro, ive come across a precision crafted KLH with 4 speeds and equalizer |
| 01:35.02 | petemc | .. |
| 01:35.43 | dondelelcaro | hopefully not an eq in the table itself... |
| 01:35.50 | fluvvell | RFC 1178 is very interesting, but how have people applied it to laptops that belong to someone and move around a lot? |
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| 01:36.04 | konfuzed | its obviously an old model but looks in good shape. I havent brought it in side yet to test out |
| 01:36.25 | spldart | NM.. answered my own question... but apparently my wget can't handle 4 gig file sizes :( |
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| 01:37.09 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: is it by any chance a model twenty? |
| 01:37.10 | konfuzed | dondelelcaro, well it has 4 or 5 nobs on the right hand side of the arm |
| 01:37.22 | konfuzed | hm |
| 01:37.26 | zocka | help, cannot set-up wlan. |
| 01:37.36 | itchi | On Etch i try to re setup my 3D for my ATI Readeon 9600SE. Following what dpkg tell. when i load the fglrx module i get the following error: FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-k7/misc/fglrx.ko): Invalid module format And with dmesg i see: fglrx: version magic '2.6.15-1-k7 K7 gcc-4.1' should be '2.6.15-1-k7 K7 gcc-4.0' |
| 01:37.44 | konfuzed | 24 seems to ring a bell or may be 48 but I dont recall why |
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| 01:38.08 | itchi | My 3D was working right before. Looks like i have not hold that package before and it's gone after an upgrade |
| 01:38.12 | w32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.24 | quintin | fluxdude: "very interesting".. lol |
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| 01:38.28 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: hrm; oh well. it's not a particularly good phonograph, but with a reasonable needle and bypassing the builtin phono amp it probably would work ok |
| 01:38.45 | dondelelcaro | better off getting a real turntable, though... |
| 01:38.53 | w32 | Freesco ,Floppyfw ,NetBSD/i386 Project ,ClarkConnect .Gnatbox ,EDGE Router or Smoothwall |
| 01:38.59 | itchi | I have try to do export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 before creating the module but looks not enought, Get the same error. What need i to do? |
| 01:39.06 | dondelelcaro | itchi: make CC=gcc-4.0 |
| 01:39.15 | konfuzed | it looks a lot like this one http://cgi.ebay.com/KLH-MODEL-TWENTY-20-GARRARD-TURNTABLE_W0QQitemZ120024447474QQcmdZViewItem |
| 01:39.22 | konfuzed | i just found that link |
| 01:39.24 | dondelelcaro | (or HOSTCC/GCC if this is a kernel compile) |
| 01:39.34 | itchi | dondelelcaro: As root need i to write 'CC=gcc-4.0' in an console? |
| 01:39.53 | dondelelcaro | itchi: no, when you run make, you need to append CC=gcc-4.0; |
| 01:40.06 | dondelelcaro | itchi: you shouldn't be compiling as root. |
| 01:40.11 | petemc | prepend? |
| 01:40.23 | dondelelcaro | petemc: append. |
| 01:40.26 | petemc | ok |
| 01:40.45 | itchi | dondelelcaro: hhhmm i did that with module assistant, in the doc /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz i hope there is enought info of that other way, like i never did that soo |
| 01:40.53 | petemc | dondelelcaro: i know you're not one for making mistakes - was curious |
| 01:41.15 | dondelelcaro | petemc: yeah, it's a bit different in make; you're not setting the env variable; you're overriding what the makefile sets. |
| 01:41.26 | petemc | right ho |
| 01:41.28 | petemc | thanks |
| 01:41.41 | dondelelcaro | (MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-4.0 HOSTCC=gcc-4.0" make; would be almost equivalent) |
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| 01:42.21 | zocka | i am using xp to download files to install debian 'testing'. my 'testing' has kernel 2.6.17-2 with module-assistant. i use xp to download r2500-source package. but i can't do 'module-assitant get rt2500-source'. |
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| 01:43.39 | zocka | the err msg indicated that i may have to access the contrib or non-free sites. without the wlan link in 'testing', i can't do that. |
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| 01:44.41 | zeroth404 | someone please tell me why I cant find the floppy install boot image for ANY version of debian on *any* mirror anywhere.... |
| 01:44.44 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Thanks for the info, i'm still trying to do it ;-) |
| 01:44.45 | zeroth404 | http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ for example |
| 01:44.49 | konfuzed | dondelelcaro, would it be worth picking up for the pre-digital tech display |
| 01:45.10 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to use a sip phone client and recieve calls from behind a firewall? |
| 01:45.18 | lunaphyte | sure |
| 01:45.39 | SerajewelKS | lunaphyte: ... like |
| 01:46.14 | lunaphyte | open up the necessary ports, or use a stun gateway. |
| 01:46.42 | SerajewelKS | the first is not an option |
| 01:46.46 | lunaphyte | certain sip devices are more firewall friendly, and certain firewalls are more sip friendly. the right combination helps. |
| 01:47.56 | SerajewelKS | okay well assuming that i have no control over my firewall |
| 01:48.55 | SerajewelKS | also what's a good gnome sip client? |
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| 01:49.20 | lunaphyte | what does pc mean in dpkg's status column? |
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| 01:52.15 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Need to recompile my kernel or so? I follow the help in /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz b) Build with the kernel's makefile ... But i get this error: http://pastebin.ca/185542 |
| 01:52.40 | eul- | do i need unpartitioned space to use xen? |
| 01:53.26 | zocka | are all the packages in 'testing contrib' in one .iso image, if yes, how to get to the .iso? |
| 01:53.54 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Or is it because i have not the .config file? |
| 01:54.02 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I not know about these stuff :-/ |
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| 02:03.23 | eul- | i installed xen |
| 02:03.27 | eul- | and i booted up into it |
| 02:03.35 | eul- | but the only difference i see is its a different kernel? |
| 02:03.44 | eul- | 2.6.17-2-xen-686 |
| 02:04.53 | itchi | Someone can tell me how i need to setup my 3D card? |
| 02:05.03 | eul- | what kind of card? |
| 02:05.08 | jetscreamer | you put it on the shelf with a nice stand |
| 02:05.16 | jetscreamer | eul you ruined my punchline |
| 02:05.19 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 02:05.23 | eul- | heh |
| 02:05.40 | venger | itchi i like this doc http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#SRC-KERNEL-PKG |
| 02:05.41 | itchi | It's an ATI Readeon 9600SE. I have worked nice before. Had install it like dpkg told it to do |
| 02:06.07 | jetscreamer | i heard fglrx is borked in sid lately, maybe etch |
| 02:06.11 | jetscreamer | no idea though |
| 02:06.24 | eul- | fglrx works fine on etch at the moment |
| 02:06.35 | jetscreamer | the radeon or ati driver should function |
| 02:06.44 | eul- | you just get the binary driver file, it has a switch to extract .deb files |
| 02:07.13 | jetscreamer | it has to have the `uname -r` version in it though doesn't it |
| 02:07.15 | eul- | you dpkg -i the deb files, apt-get install module-assistant, module-assistant prepare, module-assistant auto-install fglrx |
| 02:07.30 | itchi | eul-: It have worked fine. Did an update over an week or 2 ago and saw it that it have upgraded that fglrx, and sinds i have no more 3D. |
| 02:07.41 | lunaphyte | what is this 'migration' process running? |
| 02:07.50 | eul- | itchi: did you install with module assistant? |
| 02:07.51 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:07.59 | jetscreamer | that's not 'in' though |
| 02:08.10 | eul- | in? |
| 02:08.13 | itchi | eul-: Yup but then i got the error with dmesg fglrx: version magic '2.6.15-1-k7 K7 gcc-4.1' should be '2.6.15-1-k7 K7 gcc-4.0' |
| 02:08.26 | jetscreamer | you extract something that's in something, at least that's how i see it |
| 02:08.36 | jetscreamer | compile it with 4.0 |
| 02:08.37 | eul- | itchi: apt-get install gcc-4.0 |
| 02:08.44 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 02:08.50 | eul- | i got that too |
| 02:08.51 | jetscreamer | there's something you have to export |
| 02:08.55 | jetscreamer | i remember |
| 02:09.06 | jetscreamer | let me see if i can ... log... |
| 02:09.11 | eul- | it works fine if you just install gcc-4.0 |
| 02:09.12 | itchi | eul-: Is already installed. But i not understand how i need to do it like dondelelcaro have tell to do. I get another error, so i guess i do somethings wrong or so |
| 02:09.32 | itchi | export CC=/path/cc4.0 |
| 02:09.33 | jetscreamer | one moment itchi lemme grep logs |
| 02:09.34 | eul- | worked flawlessly for me |
| 02:09.37 | itchi | but that does not enought |
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| 02:09.45 | itchi | yup |
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| 02:09.58 | etzerd | jelly: are you still there? |
| 02:10.15 | itchi | crap :-/ |
| 02:10.22 | itchi | Gona retry for the 36 time lol |
| 02:10.54 | jetscreamer | i gah not there |
| 02:11.03 | BhaalWK | If I want to bring an ethernet interface up but not give it an IP, what do I need to put in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 02:11.10 | dondelelcaro | itchi: what are you trying to build? what is the exact output from it? |
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| 02:11.32 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I have paste the link above. Wait gona take it back |
| 02:11.41 | itchi | http://pastebin.ca/185542 |
| 02:11.42 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: oh; if it's cheap or free, sure... but there are better examples of pre-digital tables |
| 02:12.21 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I want my 3D working again, trying to build the fglrx module |
| 02:12.24 | dondelelcaro | itchi: 1) you don't have a .config; 2) why are you building fglrx that way? |
| 02:12.43 | itchi | It's noted in /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz |
| 02:12.44 | jetscreamer | gah no idea |
| 02:12.45 | dondelelcaro | and finally, Debian's kernel isn't built with gcc-4.0, it's built with /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 02:13.04 | itchi | b) Build with the kernel's makefile |
| 02:13.35 | dondelelcaro | itchi: you build it that way if you're using a non-Debian kernel |
| 02:13.35 | itchi | dondelelcaro: It's been section b) ... That i need to do? |
| 02:13.51 | itchi | hhhhmmm |
| 02:13.56 | etzerd | Jelly help me out |
| 02:14.05 | dondelelcaro | otherwise, it should be buildable using module assistant, unless no one has bothered to create the source properly |
| 02:14.08 | itchi | dondelelcaro: So section C) then? |
| 02:14.26 | itchi | c) Build with the make-kpkg command |
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| 02:14.27 | etzerd | the command that you told me works perfect : "modprobe mousedve" works just fine |
| 02:14.38 | dondelelcaro | itchi: is this a Debian kernel or your own kernel? |
| 02:14.50 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yes, stock one |
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| 02:15.00 | etzerd | the only problem is when I restart the system, the same error xserver cannot start just appeared again |
| 02:15.18 | dondelelcaro | itchi: then you should be able to m-a a-i fglrx; |
| 02:16.09 | jetscreamer | etzerd: you need to add mousedev to /etc/modules so it will be loaded on_reboot, btw |
| 02:16.14 | jetscreamer | eidt |
| 02:16.17 | itchi | dondelelcaro: With that way, i get the error fglrx: version magic '2.6.15-1-k7 K7 gcc-4.1' should be '2.6.15-1-k7 K7 gcc-4.0' with dmesg when i try to load the module. You have tell me that i need to add the 'CC=gcc-4.0'. To the make thing |
| 02:16.31 | eul- | etzerd etch? |
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| 02:16.52 | jetscreamer | err... edit, not eidt |
| 02:16.52 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Or is there an way to inform m-a about the CC ? |
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| 02:18.25 | dondelelcaro | itchi: you should upgrade your kernel to a version that debian actually ships first |
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| 02:18.32 | dondelelcaro | itchi: like 2.6.17 |
| 02:19.04 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Okay, first kenel update |
| 02:19.15 | jetscreamer | so where is the 'how do i compile this stupid 3rd party module for my stock debian kernel' howto |
| 02:19.35 | jetscreamer | jsut a modem driver not ati or anything |
| 02:19.51 | stew | jetscreamer: is it packaged for debian? |
| 02:20.16 | jetscreamer | stew: not afaik. and it's built into the laptop so buying a good one isn't an option. |
| 02:20.28 | jetscreamer | lucent |
| 02:20.43 | stew | jetscreamer: mwave? |
| 02:20.47 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Is linux-image-2.6.17-2-k7 good? |
| 02:21.11 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Want not to make an mistake ;-) |
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| 02:21.27 | jetscreamer | stew: not sure, just some lucent modem. i don't have the laptop here so i can't lspci atm |
| 02:21.28 | dondelelcaro | itchi: yeah, that's the newest version of the k7 kernel |
| 02:21.45 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Just the image, not the source and so? |
| 02:21.55 | stew | jetscreamer: old thinkpads have a lucent mware, which is actually supported by the mainline kernel these days |
| 02:22.01 | itchi | dondelelcaro: It's new this for me |
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| 02:22.54 | dondelelcaro | itchi: the other stuff will be downloaded by m-a when you run it. |
| 02:23.37 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Cool :-) |
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| 02:25.35 | itchi | Okay installed. I guess i need to reboot |
| 02:25.48 | itchi | dondelelcaro: After the reboot, what need i to do? |
| 02:26.06 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Again try with that module-assistant? |
| 02:26.55 | dondelelcaro | itchi: yerp |
| 02:27.27 | jetscreamer | :( jsut says ITU/ K56Flex V.34, V.90 so far |
| 02:27.29 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Okay, thanks for the support man ;-) Need to make some copies of great guys ;-) brb |
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| 02:27.39 | pickcoder | jetscreamer: which model |
| 02:27.46 | jetscreamer | tecra 8000 |
| 02:27.51 | jetscreamer | p2-366 |
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| 02:32.03 | etzerd | hello all |
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| 02:32.24 | Yggdrasil | can somone tell me what the difference is beetween the cd and dvd iso for download? |
| 02:32.31 | Yggdrasil | or whats on the dvd |
| 02:32.39 | etzerd | I finally install Debian in my sysem, big thanks to JELLY |
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| 02:33.01 | itchi | Okay i'm back, now agian with module-assitant |
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| 02:33.08 | etzerd | who provided me with the command "modprobe mousedev" |
| 02:33.11 | nevyn | Yggdrasil: the full release |
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| 02:33.28 | etzerd | now, I have one more question. |
| 02:33.47 | Yggdrasil | is it all the repos ? |
| 02:33.56 | etzerd | how do I install KDE to my system? sinsce only Gnome is install by default |
| 02:33.59 | stephans | help |
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| 02:34.14 | pearl | etzerd: apt-get remove --purge gnome && apt-get install kde |
| 02:34.17 | stephans | i have a dell 2405 FPW monitor |
| 02:34.25 | pearl | update-alternatives --x-window-manager |
| 02:34.29 | stephans | and Ubuntu refuses to do the resolution |
| 02:34.29 | pearl | choose the number for kde |
| 02:34.34 | pearl | startx, done; |
| 02:34.42 | stephans | 1920x1200 |
| 02:35.08 | stephans | X ignores the reslutons in xorg.conf |
| 02:35.27 | stephans | it will no go ove 1280x1024 |
| 02:35.32 | stephans | why??? |
| 02:35.39 | stephans | can I force this? |
| 02:35.58 | stephans | why will it not read the pnp monito? |
| 02:36.02 | stephans | r |
| 02:36.03 | pickcoder | jetscreamer: http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heby/ltmodem/dists/debian/ |
| 02:36.06 | jetscreamer | etzerd: a, did you put mousedev in /etc/modules ? b, apt-get install kde will give you the full bloat, kde-core will give you a minimal kde |
| 02:36.12 | stephans | anyone? |
| 02:36.13 | Nosf3rat1 | bueller? |
| 02:36.27 | jetscreamer | pickcoder: deb http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heby/ltmodem/dists/debian/ ./ |
| 02:36.27 | jetscreamer | deb http://www.sfu.ca/~cth/ltmodem/dists/debian/ ./ |
| 02:36.31 | jetscreamer | thanks :) |
| 02:36.48 | venger | i just enabled ata_piix and I see my sata1 drive in dmesg. I've assumed the device path would be /dev/sda, but fdisk is unable to open that path? |
| 02:36.57 | jetscreamer | http://www.heby.de/ltmodem |
| 02:37.12 | pickcoder | I dunno if the debs will work, but it's worth a try |
| 02:37.14 | etzerd | jetscreamer: no I did not put mousedev in /etc/modules |
| 02:37.15 | jetscreamer | yeh |
| 02:37.29 | jetscreamer | etzerd: you need to so that it is loaded when you reboot |
| 02:37.39 | jetscreamer | or just do it manually everytime |
| 02:37.40 | pickcoder | jetscreamer: if not, you can always compile the module by hand |
| 02:37.45 | pickcoder | jetscreamer: it's not that hard |
| 02:37.49 | etzerd | that is why everytime I reboot I have to retype modprobe mousedev |
| 02:37.50 | jetscreamer | pickcoder: yeh that was the plan |
| 02:37.58 | etzerd | how to I edit modules? |
| 02:38.07 | jetscreamer | i didn't even think there would be a debsource |
| 02:38.13 | itchi | dondelelcaro: When i try now 'modprobe -v fglrx' i get the error FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.17-2-k7/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted :-/ |
| 02:38.15 | jetscreamer | etzerd: any text editor |
| 02:38.24 | etzerd | thanks |
| 02:38.24 | itchi | again on my head oeg |
| 02:38.33 | jetscreamer | etzerd: nano -w /etc/modules would work ... ctrl x to exit and save |
| 02:38.43 | jetscreamer | as root |
| 02:38.59 | etzerd | when I open modules just add "modprobe mousedev" in a line by itself? |
| 02:39.13 | pickcoder | itchi: make sure there isn't a broken module already loaded |
| 02:39.44 | itchi | pickcoder: Need to restart the computer i think?? I had need to do that before. The module wouled not loaded |
| 02:40.00 | jetscreamer | etzerd: no just the work mousedev |
| 02:40.04 | jetscreamer | word |
| 02:40.30 | itchi | Okay gona first reboot again. brb |
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| 02:44.04 | dondelelcaro | iter: and you're doing so as root? |
| 02:44.22 | endia314 | I get this error with my HP Deskjet 3840 printer using Debian Etch: |
| 02:44.24 | endia314 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.24 | endia314 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.24 | endia314 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.36 | dondelelcaro | endia314: are you using lprng? |
| 02:44.39 | endia314 | Yes. |
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| 02:44.48 | dondelelcaro | endia314: run checkpc -f; iirc. |
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| 02:45.01 | endia314 | I did; it didn't work. |
| 02:45.02 | itchi | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 02:45.27 | dondelelcaro | endia314: it'll create the spool for your printer; run it with the -v flag to see what it is trying to do. |
| 02:45.43 | dondelelcaro | s/v/V/ |
| 02:45.56 | itchi | After getting 2.6.17-2-k7 module assistant. fglrxinfo tell me that 3D is working now |
| 02:46.05 | dondelelcaro | cool |
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| 02:46.14 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Thanks man, realy thanks ;-) |
| 02:46.18 | endia314 | Output pasted in #flood. |
| 02:46.32 | itchi | And also the other that have _again_ help :-) |
| 02:47.18 | dondelelcaro | endia314: uh... it's not a remote printer; it's a local printer. |
| 02:47.29 | endia314 | Yes, so? |
| 02:47.52 | endia314 | I set it up as a local printer. |
| 02:47.54 | itchi | I just need now a bit to clean that grub boot list. Just remove the old kernel packages? |
| 02:48.24 | dondelelcaro | :rm=localhost.localdomain <-- this tells it to spool on this remote queue. |
| 02:48.28 | dondelelcaro | that isn't going to work. |
| 02:48.46 | dondelelcaro | endia314: you presumably want lp=/dev/foo; or similar. |
| 02:48.51 | dondelelcaro | (and not rm= and rp=) |
| 02:48.59 | endia314 | So, uh, how do I fix that? |
| 02:49.13 | dondelelcaro | endia314: you edit /etc/printcap appropriately. |
| 02:49.20 | dondelelcaro | endia314: alternatively, you may want to use cups instead. |
| 02:49.30 | endia314 | I am using CUPS. |
| 02:49.51 | dondelelcaro | 19:41:14 <dondelelcaro> endia314: are you using lprng? |
| 02:49.51 | dondelelcaro | 19:41:19 <endia314> Yes. |
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| 02:49.59 | pickcoder | itchi: unless you are cramped for space, it's nice to have older kernels to boot from if something messes up |
| 02:50.04 | endia314 | No, I meant I had installed LPRNG. |
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| 02:50.27 | endia314 | checkpc -f redirected to it, so I assumed it was involved. |
| 02:50.30 | pickcoder | itchi: apt-get clean |
| 02:50.33 | itchi | pickcoder: I have an great collection man. Eeuhm i can not more count the numbers of it. Need to scrol donw now ;-) |
| 02:50.41 | dondelelcaro | endia314: you don't need both; use one or the other. |
| 02:50.42 | endia314 | What's the device for USB? |
| 02:50.52 | pickcoder | itchi: well remove the 2.4 kernels then |
| 02:51.03 | dondelelcaro | endia314: if you installed it because you need lp or lpr, install cupsys-bsd |
| 02:52.13 | endia314 | Okay, I uninstalled lprng (and the lsb packages; are those necessary?) and installed cupsys-bsd. |
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| 02:52.40 | endia314 | The error disappeared, but the printer isn't printing anything. |
| 02:52.43 | jetscreamer | it'd be easier just to buy him dsl... the nic works fine |
| 02:52.47 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 02:53.24 | pickcoder | jetscreamer: for the ltmodem? |
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| 02:53.45 | dondelelcaro | endia314: then you need to play with your cups configuration until that works. |
| 02:54.02 | tengulre | can you give me your sign? (this syntax is right?) |
| 02:54.09 | endia314 | I checked /etc/printcap, it says it's automatically generated. |
| 02:54.18 | dondelelcaro | endia314: yerp; you visit localhost:731 iirc. |
| 02:54.24 | endia314 | And all changes will be erased. |
| 02:54.27 | dondelelcaro | yerp. |
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| 02:54.37 | endia314 | It's 631. |
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| 02:54.54 | dondelelcaro | yeah, I personally use lprng, not cups. But I only work with networked PS printers. |
| 02:55.10 | endia314 | But what specifically should I fiddle around with? |
| 02:55.14 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: makes life simple, don't it.. |
| 02:55.36 | nevyn | pcl printers are ok.. |
| 02:55.43 | itchi | The kernel 2.6.8 can not more be used in Etch ? Need to know if i can remove these also or leaved it for 'in case of ...' |
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| 02:56.05 | pickcoder | itchti: get rid of it, unless you have a specific need for it |
| 02:56.17 | tengulre | can you give me your sign? (is the syntax right?) |
| 02:56.19 | dondelelcaro | nevyn: yeah, but I prefer PS ones... |
| 02:56.21 | dondelelcaro | tengulre: ? |
| 02:56.37 | dondelelcaro | tengulre: what type of sign are you asking for? Zodiacal? |
| 02:56.59 | tengulre | dondelelcaro: :), my country language is chinese so... |
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| 02:57.01 | jetscreamer | pickcoder: it'd be easier to buy him dsl than to make the modem work across kernel upgrades w/o me being there is what i meant.... however, he can always learn... nothing like need or want as an incentive |
| 02:57.15 | itchi | pickcoder: okay. So i leave everything like it is? But looks like a bit very badly organised ;-) I not like that it's look like my trash, you know ;-) |
| 02:57.17 | pickcoder | jetscreamer: pcmcia modem |
| 02:57.19 | pickcoder | :p |
| 02:57.21 | pickcoder | $30 |
| 02:57.28 | endia314 | dondelelcaro: I'm at localhost:631, I don't see anything to fiddle around with. |
| 02:57.33 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:57.39 | jetscreamer | hmm |
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| 02:58.37 | pickcoder | itchi: you can remove all the extra kernels if you want. I, personally, leave atleast one last-known-good kernel in the boot menu. |
| 02:58.59 | tengulre | dondelelcaro: personal sign. |
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| 02:59.27 | itchi | pickcoder: Yeah, i was going to leave my previous 2.6.15-2-k7 Have now the 17. The previous was rock |
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| 02:59.47 | itchi | bwa, everything rocks :-p |
| 02:59.48 | pickcoder | jetscreamer: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1175065&CatId=565 |
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| 02:59.58 | tengulre | is it right for me? |
| 03:00.05 | pickcoder | jetscreamer: works with ndis |
| 03:00.15 | pickcoder | $29.99US |
| 03:00.16 | tengulre | dondelelcaro: can you help me ? |
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| 03:02.59 | dondelelcaro | tengulre: I still don't understand what type of sign you're looking for |
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| 03:04.21 | tengulre | dondelelcaro: thanks for answer! :) , I feel my english is too low. |
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| 03:20.26 | jetscreamer | pickcoder: heh i 'just' found Lucent DSP1646(Mars2) but thanks for the link, i needed it |
| 03:21.52 | smalls | hello. This is going to sound cheesy... But I'd like to set up VIM so that it recognizes my code syntax and does color for it.. I googled it but I'm having some issues with the instructions (I found the same instructions many times). Any thoughts? |
| 03:22.15 | SerajewelKS | :syntax on |
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| 03:22.34 | nevyn | smalls: what language your own? |
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| 03:23.08 | smalls | well, :syntax on does do it.. None of the docs I saw said anything that simple |
| 03:23.11 | smalls | I'm doing java |
| 03:23.21 | pickcoder | jetscreamer: hopefully it works |
| 03:23.47 | SerajewelKS | smalls: echo :syntax on >> ~/.vimrc |
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| 03:24.51 | smalls | SerajewelKS: I don't have a vimrc file... |
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| 03:26.01 | nevyn | smalls: if you're writing in a standard language :syntax on should do it. |
| 03:26.36 | nevyn | smalls: if the highlighting is too dark try :set bg dark to use the light colours |
| 03:26.36 | SerajewelKS | smalls: hence the >> |
| 03:26.45 | smalls | nevyn- :syntax on did it.. Thanks |
| 03:26.47 | etzerd | is there a how ot for debian whe I can follow to install drivers like flash player and DVD drivers |
| 03:27.05 | nevyn | smalls: are you using a white background or a black background with vim? |
| 03:27.06 | etzerd | I mean HOW TO for Debian |
| 03:27.15 | SerajewelKS | when did flash become a driver |
| 03:27.17 | nevyn | etzerd: dvd drivers? |
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| 03:27.31 | nevyn | dvd should just work[TM] |
| 03:27.32 | smalls | oh, gotcha |
| 03:27.35 | etzerd | nevyn: yes DVD drivers |
| 03:27.41 | Xormic | Hmm. |
| 03:27.55 | Xormic | Who's had success installing Java and plugins? |
| 03:28.00 | Xormic | for firefox etc. |
| 03:28.10 | Xormic | I can't seem to get it working. |
| 03:28.11 | nevyn | etzerd: to play commercial dvd's or to read data off the dvd drive? |
| 03:28.12 | SerajewelKS | Xormic: just ask your question |
| 03:28.23 | etzerd | yes |
| 03:28.28 | Xormic | SerajewelKS, that was my question = |
| 03:28.29 | Xormic | =\ |
| 03:28.35 | Kevin` | libdvdcss for commercial data.. |
| 03:28.41 | SerajewelKS | !tell Xormic about bad poll |
| 03:28.45 | nevyn | ok.. so your question becomes |
| 03:28.53 | SerajewelKS | !tell Xormic about poll |
| 03:29.09 | Xormic | alright then. |
| 03:29.18 | nevyn | etzerd: you could use the free flash player. |
| 03:29.35 | Xormic | Bwahaha, militant badgers can't touch me! |
| 03:29.42 | etzerd | where can I download it? |
| 03:29.55 | Kevin` | Xormic java ans flash work fine for me in debian/x86 |
| 03:30.09 | Xormic | hmm. |
| 03:30.16 | Kevin` | free flash player for what |
| 03:30.26 | Xormic | Firefox was fine with the downloaded plugin. |
| 03:30.31 | Xormic | Using the plugin manager. |
| 03:30.50 | Xormic | I think I need to set the java path in about:config or something. |
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| 03:32.11 | nevele | what is the name of the deb package for apache2.2? |
| 03:32.19 | nevele | apt-get install ? |
| 03:32.25 | nevele | cant seem to find it, |
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| 03:32.34 | nvz | !info apache2 |
| 03:32.38 | dpkg | apache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.55-4.2 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 03:32.45 | nevele | thanks |
| 03:32.49 | nvz | nevele: there is no 2.2 |
| 03:32.59 | SerajewelKS | !tell nevele about search |
| 03:33.10 | konfuzed | dondelelcaro, wow crazu shit - http://www.antiqueradio.com/Mar06_Hayden_Kloss.html |
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| 03:36.40 | nvz | ugh I think I am finally stuffed. I went from intending to go to bed to cooking 4 different times. |
| 03:37.39 | stasvasilev | hi, i am running Debian on PPC. i have a question: i am trying to find a Torrent app which will run in console. Does anyone knmopw of one which is ported to Debian PPC?? |
| 03:38.13 | nevyn | the ncurses bittorrent client should be availible |
| 03:38.28 | stasvasilev | so what is the command? apt-get install ncurses? |
| 03:38.44 | nvz | heh |
| 03:39.17 | nvz | you've obvously never heard of ncurses |
| 03:39.38 | nevyn | bittorrent is the package |
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| 03:40.16 | stasvasilev | nvz, ive heard, isnt it a bigger platform than just torrent client? |
| 03:40.27 | stasvasilev | nevyn is it a console app? |
| 03:41.00 | nevyn | stasvasilev: read the package description |
| 03:41.33 | nvz | stasvasilev: ncurses is a library for making text based interfaces |
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| 03:52.09 | De_Mon | stasvasilev rtorrent owns |
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| 03:58.09 | nevele | i found a thread saying that apache2.2 has been accepted: http://lists.debian.org/debian-apache/2006/08/msg00053.html but i can see how to install it via apt... I normally run cent or gentoo.. i little new to the ways of debian.. any help? |
| 03:59.05 | Guerin | nevele: what branch of debian are you running? |
| 03:59.47 | nevele | Guerin: hrm, not even sure to be honest, i dont normally work on this box.. |
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| 04:00.26 | Guerin | nevele!version |
| 04:00.28 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:00.31 | Guerin | !version |
| 04:00.31 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 04:00.51 | nevele | Guerin: i could build it from source, just thought if there was a deb for it.. thanks, sec |
| 04:01.01 | Guerin | no |
| 04:01.15 | Guerin | don't build things from source until you understand debian packaging requirement |
| 04:01.19 | Guerin | s |
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| 04:01.50 | nevele | im running testing/unstable |
| 04:01.56 | Xorm | !! |
| 04:01.56 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 04:02.01 | De_Mon | nevele which one? |
| 04:02.02 | Xorm | apt-get set me up the bomb |
| 04:02.09 | Xorm | hahaha. |
| 04:02.36 | Guerin | nevele: what does apt-cache polict; say |
| 04:02.37 | Guerin | ? |
| 04:02.55 | jetscreamer | nevele: you can less /etc/apt/sources.list and read it too |
| 04:03.06 | Xorm | Okay, so I did apt-get install azureus, and it was going okay, then the X server cut out and I lost dpkg and gnome-panel-data. |
| 04:03.11 | jetscreamer | it will say testing or etch || sid or unstable |
| 04:03.14 | Xorm | dpkg seems to be borked or something. |
| 04:03.32 | jetscreamer | dpkg --reconfigure -a i think Xorm |
| 04:03.40 | Guerin | no, dpkg is working normally |
| 04:03.55 | Xorm | jetscreamer, I tried that |
| 04:04.00 | Xorm | it gives errors and stuff. |
| 04:04.15 | nevele | I just added the experimental source to list.sources |
| 04:04.19 | Guerin | --configure |
| 04:04.23 | Guerin | nevele: don't |
| 04:04.29 | Guerin | nevele: remove it |
| 04:04.33 | Xorm | Guerin, I did. |
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| 04:04.37 | jetscreamer | Xorm: don't be helpful and paste the errors on a paster xorm... oh no... |
| 04:04.39 | nevele | ok |
| 04:04.40 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 04:04.41 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 04:04.45 | jetscreamer | nevele: yeah don't |
| 04:04.51 | Xorm | I'm ahead of you, lulz. |
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| 04:05.12 | Guerin | nevele: experimental is for when you want to break your box, so you have to stay at home fixing the computer instead of going to visit your mother-in-law |
| 04:05.45 | Xorm | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Y80bKv46.html |
| 04:05.45 | nevele | yea, just trying to get apache2.2 so that i can set up mongrel_cluster and a buncha rails apps |
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| 04:06.00 | Guerin | use apache2 |
| 04:06.04 | Guerin | plain-old |
| 04:06.13 | Guerin | or hell, just use apache 1.3 |
| 04:06.19 | Guerin | it's still old faithful for me |
| 04:06.24 | Xorm | I like apache 1.x better. |
| 04:06.35 | Xorm | configuration-wise. |
| 04:06.42 | nevele | all of the articles ive been reading talk about mongrel and 2.2 |
| 04:06.48 | Guerin | I use it because it works. If I was setting up another box I'd use apache2 |
| 04:06.56 | nevele | some mention of 2.2 fixing issues with mongrel_cluster |
| 04:07.13 | Guerin | nevele: if it only works on 2.2 it ain't worth using |
| 04:07.15 | nevele | but, not sure how creditable the source on that is |
| 04:07.46 | nevele | Guerin, good point.. But what if it works better with 2.2? :) |
| 04:08.58 | Guerin | nevele: you'll spend more time trying to get 2.2 installed than you will just setting it up on 2. |
| 04:09.24 | nevele | Guerin: but, if i have to deal with building it from sounce, apache2 will prolly work well enough |
| 04:09.48 | Guerin | istr apache being non-trivial to build |
| 04:09.52 | nevele | just seems like all the howto's for mongrel all hype up v2.2 |
| 04:10.07 | nevele | not if you want all the right mods... |
| 04:10.07 | Kevin` | apache isn't that hard to build.. |
| 04:10.20 | nevele | if you have that .configure script handy |
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| 04:10.24 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 04:12.16 | kingsley | What's a good way to read from and write to a USB thumb drive? |
| 04:12.30 | Kevin` | put a filesystem on it and mount it |
| 04:12.38 | Kevin` | fat32 is popular as you can use it on windows then.. |
| 04:13.18 | kingsley | Kevin`: Thanks. Can you suggest how to identify which device to mount? |
| 04:13.31 | Guerin | kingsley: dmesg |
| 04:13.32 | Kevin` | kingsley dmesg |
| 04:13.48 | kingsley | OK, thank you. |
| 04:13.53 | Kevin` | kingsley do NOT fall to the temptation to disable any of the caching for those devices |
| 04:13.56 | Guerin | kingsley: make sure when you make the partition table, you use wa windows type, else it won't work on swindows |
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| 04:14.01 | Kevin` | as flash has limited write cycles |
| 04:14.14 | Guerin | yeah |
| 04:14.21 | Guerin | non-journalling filesystems are mandatory |
| 04:14.24 | Kevin` | it probably already has a partition table, heh |
| 04:14.38 | Kevin` | Guerin jffs2 |
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| 04:15.26 | Kevin` | but even with a non-journalling filesystem, continously rewriting the FAT table (in that fs, same in others) is unhealthy |
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| 04:15.48 | Kevin` | it's worth the extra trouble of unmounting it before pulling it out |
| 04:16.32 | RunningBon | is there any way to find out what type of ram you have (ddr, etc) without physical access to the server? |
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| 04:19.22 | kingsley | I don't see the string "dev" in any line from either dmesg or /var/log/messages that also contains [uU][sS][bB]. |
| 04:20.12 | kingsley | Can someone elaborate on how to find which device to mount a USB thumb drive to? |
| 04:21.02 | beardy | !usb storage |
| 04:21.02 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
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| 04:22.00 | kingsley | beardy: Thanks. |
| 04:22.24 | beardy | kingsley: You're welcome. |
| 04:22.34 | Rusty1 | !pmount |
| 04:22.34 | dpkg | pmount is, like, an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as usb flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, pmount /dev/sda1 mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount). |
| 04:23.15 | kingsley | !dpkg automount |
| 04:23.30 | beardy | kingsley: /msg dpkg automount |
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| 04:25.32 | kingsley | beardy: Thanks again. |
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| 04:33.18 | nevele | how do i change debian_version? |
| 04:33.33 | Guerin | nevele: you don't |
| 04:33.41 | nevele | i pulled the testing sources out of sources.list |
| 04:33.47 | Guerin | why are you fucking with shit you don't understand? |
| 04:34.01 | Guerin | nevele: oh, unstable always says testing/unstable |
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| 04:34.52 | nevele | because i kinda understand it from knowing binary package management systems on other distros and i have to get it done. |
| 04:35.13 | Guerin | nevele: changing debian_versionwill accomplish nothing |
| 04:35.31 | Guerin | nevele: it's just a marker. ALl the improtant stuff is in /etc/apt/* |
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| 04:36.02 | JeffH | does locate accept regular expressions? |
| 04:36.26 | nevele | ok, thanks Guerin |
| 04:36.45 | Guerin | JeffH: man locate |
| 04:36.52 | Guerin | JeffH: grep does |
| 04:37.19 | JeffH | Guerin: I did a 'man locate'.. it says something about metacharacters but nothing about reg exp |
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| 04:37.51 | Guerin | JeffH: locate . |egrep to your heart's content |
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| 04:42.46 | iLLf8d | can someone tell me how to get gdm launching fluxbox? seems I get permission issues because of ownership of gdm and fluxbox itself |
| 04:44.30 | jetscreamer | did you use the selector thingy in the gdm login window? |
| 04:44.44 | jetscreamer | where you chose what to 'boot' into? |
| 04:44.59 | jetscreamer | ah let me guess, flux isn't there |
| 04:45.50 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 04:45.53 | iLLf8d | its in there |
| 04:46.19 | iLLf8d | according to the session errors I think its having trouble with fluxbox ownership |
| 04:46.43 | iLLf8d | I've compared debs implementation to other dists and they use root/root for gdm and their wms also |
| 04:46.55 | iLLf8d | not sure which vital piece I'm missing |
| 04:47.44 | iLLf8d | lemme try it as root after I enable admin login (although admin may be admin and not root we'll see) |
| 04:47.51 | jetscreamer | no idea :/ |
| 04:48.55 | iLLf8d | its kinda wierd cause startx starts it although the ownership is still root |
| 04:49.32 | Guerin | iLLf8d: try xdm |
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| 04:49.39 | Guerin | iLLf8d: or another dm |
| 04:50.11 | iLLf8d | I think I found the doc I need to figure it out |
| 04:50.21 | iLLf8d | processing |
| 04:50.23 | iLLf8d | jk =P |
| 04:52.02 | jetscreamer | what i don't get is why, in etch, startx does NOT start my default, icewm, it starts gnome, but in sid, it starts icewm. they are both set to default to icewm in gdm. |
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| 04:52.19 | shawn__ | !nvidia oneliner |
| 04:52.20 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 04:52.34 | jetscreamer | !tell shawn__ -about msg |
| 04:52.40 | iLLf8d | its wierd according to the gdm docs gdm will own the login session unless I'm interpretiing them wrong |
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| 04:53.14 | jetscreamer | maybe they're related |
| 04:53.22 | Guerin | jetscreamer: man xsession |
| 04:53.26 | iLLf8d | jetscreamer, did you setup your .xinitrc? |
| 04:53.33 | jetscreamer | not on either box |
| 04:53.37 | shawn__ | exit |
| 04:53.43 | iLLf8d | if you just dump it in there it'll work |
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| 04:53.59 | iLLf8d | but the gdm might not |
| 04:53.59 | jetscreamer | but yeah i can make it work |
| 04:54.03 | iLLf8d | the startx will |
| 04:54.11 | jetscreamer | i want to know why it's different, sid vs etch |
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| 04:54.30 | iLLf8d | yeah shit changes too quickly you'll have to relearn it as you go |
| 04:54.43 | shawn__ | !nvidia oneliner |
| 04:54.43 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 04:54.44 | iLLf8d | x/fonts/loaders/etc... |
| 04:54.49 | iLLf8d | its all a moving target |
| 04:54.49 | jetscreamer | !msg |
| 04:54.50 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
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| 04:56.07 | jetscreamer | i lived in montreal once, for a year... it rocked |
| 04:56.14 | jetscreamer | learn about /msg dpkg |
| 04:56.21 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 04:56.29 | iLLf8d | jetscreamer, theres not much traffic in here I wouldn't worry about the spam |
| 04:56.35 | iLLf8d | at least atm |
| 04:57.17 | jetscreamer | i'm trying to save him from the wrath of Guerin ... he's been on the rag lately :) |
| 04:57.29 | iLLf8d | oh is guerin a punter? |
| 04:58.00 | iLLf8d | guerin you a meanie? |
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| 04:58.17 | Guerin | iLLf8d: no. I'm perfectly fucking reasonable. |
| 04:58.43 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 04:58.48 | jetscreamer | he misses mwilson as do i |
| 04:58.55 | iLLf8d | you computing in the shitter again? |
| 04:58.55 | gravity | gyah |
| 04:59.03 | jetscreamer | hey i actually saw him in #bash the other day |
| 04:59.17 | Guerin | unlike mwilson I routinely help people |
| 04:59.56 | iLLf8d | so guerins got his sarcasm and karma points saved up to be able to nuke a few people |
| 05:00.09 | iLLf8d | oh now wait sarcasm points those are mine =) |
| 05:00.10 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 05:00.19 | jetscreamer | he followed me into ##windows i believe, after i said hi... and started being mwilsony to some guy, then left :) |
| 05:00.28 | Guerin | jetscreamer: me? |
| 05:00.29 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 05:00.32 | Guerin | not me. |
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| 05:00.37 | jetscreamer | no .. mwilson |
| 05:00.40 | Guerin | oh |
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| 05:00.45 | iLLf8d | no you're queriny |
| 05:00.52 | jetscreamer | !mwilsonsmite Guerin |
| 05:00.56 | iLLf8d | not that I know what htat means yet |
| 05:00.59 | jetscreamer | damn |
| 05:01.00 | iLLf8d | s/htat/that |
| 05:01.01 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 05:01.18 | jetscreamer | he was famous for ragging on ppl for being 'silly' |
| 05:01.36 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
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| 05:01.54 | iLLf8d | hrm wonder how I got the g and q swapped there they're no where near close on the kbd |
| 05:01.54 | aeronadix | what do you guys use for an embed player for encrypting video inside mozilla |
| 05:02.20 | jair | hey guys, I work normally with different distros of Linux like rhel3 and 4 also suse enterprise 9 and 10 and I notice that when we have a machine using more than 4GB of memory ram, we need to run the machine with a different kernel than the default installed, (i.e hugemem kernel on rhel) |
| 05:02.24 | Guerin | bah, browsers shouldn't play video |
| 05:02.27 | jetscreamer | !be mwilson |
| 05:02.30 | jair | does this also happen in debian? |
| 05:02.32 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 05:02.40 | iLLf8d | aeronadix, didn't know you could encrypt video in a browser |
| 05:02.50 | iLLf8d | aeronadix, is there some ffextension or something? |
| 05:02.52 | Guerin | i guess you should probably use vlc or something to serve your video. No idea how to embed it in a browser |
| 05:02.53 | jair | it is such a special kernel in debian in order to recognize more than 4GB of memory? |
| 05:02.57 | jetscreamer | jair: iirc yes , the default is a 3g/1g split |
| 05:03.14 | Guerin | jair: debian has kernels with HIGHMEM_64 |
| 05:03.22 | jetscreamer | but i'm not sure about wht you need.. yeah there ya go |
| 05:03.22 | aeronadix | I looked in my "edit-preferences-helper applications" and it shows no file types are played by kaffeine, but when I play vid files kaffeins runs |
| 05:03.26 | Guerin | jair: i think the -SMP kernels |
| 05:03.28 | jair | jetscreamer: what do you mean? that debian will not recognize more than 4GB? |
| 05:03.33 | Guerin | which work on a single-cpu machine |
| 05:03.41 | aeronadix | iLLf8d, yeah some sites have their vids encrypted and when you play them it asks for a password |
| 05:03.47 | jetscreamer | no.. listen to guerin.. i mean the stock default kernels |
| 05:03.50 | Guerin | jair: DEBIAN can recognise any amount of ram, given the right KERNEL |
| 05:03.53 | iLLf8d | aeronadix, uhm maybe its an alternatives setting (shot in the dark here) |
| 05:04.07 | DimmuR | hi what software is the best for downloading data from binary newsgroups? |
| 05:04.15 | Guerin | aeronadix: put them behind a htpasswd or somwthing |
| 05:04.21 | jetscreamer | jair: so yes, same as the others |
| 05:04.44 | jetscreamer | you need the beeg won |
| 05:04.56 | Guerin | aeronadix: hint: encryption-based DRM is fucking stupid, don't use it. |
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| 05:05.32 | sonofapreacher | when you install a security update, does it also restart the vulnerable service if it's a daemon? |
| 05:05.37 | jetscreamer | joo ar loo-king verrah mwilsony today baybeh |
| 05:05.46 | iLLf8d | aeronadix, if you're looking for playback in a browser there are some extensions for firefox but I haven't had much luck with them yet (although I haven't really configured them much either so they may work) |
| 05:05.56 | Guerin | jetscreamer: you're making things up, stop it. |
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| 05:06.42 | Guerin | sonofapreacher: you can usually see the output of apt* when you do the install. It will tell you if it restarts the service. |
| 05:06.48 | jetscreamer | jair: for instance, in sid, linux-image-2.6.18-1-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
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| 05:06.57 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 05:07.50 | aeronadix | I click a link that is a javascript and it plays a file which my mozilla opens auto with Kaffeine, but kaffeine doesn't come up with the option to enter a username and password, so I am trying to change mozilla setting to use realplayer, but I cant seem to do that. I went into edit-preference-helper applications, and I saw that for wmv files it had kaffeine, so I changed it to realplayer, but it had no affect |
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| 05:08.09 | Guerin | aeronadix: haha |
| 05:08.12 | jetscreamer | This package provides the binary image and pre-built loadable modules for Linux kernel 2.6.18 on Pentium Pro/Celeron/Pentium II/Pentium III/Pentium 4 with 4-64G RAM machines |
| 05:08.22 | Guerin | aeronadix: you bought drm-protected content and now you can't play it |
| 05:08.31 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 05:08.36 | jetscreamer | that's gotta sting |
| 05:09.00 | Guerin | aeronadix: contact the content provider and make some noise |
| 05:09.38 | jair | so then if I have the sarge stable i386 what kernel should I use to recognize 6GB? |
| 05:09.43 | aeronadix | Guerin, so Linux can't play it? what about realplayer? how do I make realplayer my player for mozilla for a chance instead of kaffeine |
| 05:09.45 | Guerin | aeronadix: if they don't explicitly statre you need windows/osx/etc to play the thing, you *might* get a refund, but don't count on it |
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| 05:10.07 | Guerin | aeronadix: i neither know nor care how to set up proprietary non-debian shite |
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| 05:10.12 | Guerin | aeronadix: ask real |
| 05:10.22 | SubStack | aeronadix: just download it? |
| 05:10.32 | aeronadix | SubStack, download what? |
| 05:10.37 | SubStack | the video file |
| 05:10.45 | SubStack | just remove the association to kaffeine |
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| 05:10.49 | Guerin | SubStack: then what? |
| 05:11.11 | SubStack | then download the video |
| 05:11.13 | SubStack | then play it |
| 05:11.21 | aeronadix | Guerin, its the free realplayer, and I have other players, which other players come with the option to enter a password. Also, I am sure, I got my real player from the debian archives |
| 05:11.23 | Guerin | no, once he's downloaded the video, what's he supposed to do with it? |
| 05:11.46 | Guerin | aeronadix: you didn't, because debian can't distribute realplayer |
| 05:11.47 | SubStack | ... |
| 05:11.53 | aeronadix | Guerin, no the option to download the video doesn't come up, its a stream |
| 05:12.04 | jetscreamer | aeronadix: iirc there's realplayer on marillat.. lemme check |
| 05:12.06 | SubStack | ah, I see |
| 05:12.13 | Guerin | SubStack: but it wants a password. What program should he use to enter that password? |
| 05:12.14 | SubStack | usually streams are just files though |
| 05:12.20 | aeronadix | Guerin, yeah I did, I apt-get realplayer |
| 05:12.25 | aeronadix | Guerin, realplayer - RealPlayer 10 based on the open source Helix player |
| 05:12.27 | Guerin | aeronadix: mplayer or xine can dump a stream to disk. |
| 05:12.43 | jetscreamer | Description: RealPlayer 10 based on the open source Helix player RealPlayer 10 for Linux is based on the open source Helix player |
| 05:12.45 | Guerin | aeronadix: that's not realplayer, it's helixplayer |
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| 05:13.05 | jetscreamer | root you're root |
| 05:13.07 | aeronadix | Guerin, I don't want to dump it to disk, I just want to play it, but it requires a password, and the realplayer is the only one I have the has the feature of entering a user/password |
| 05:13.14 | jetscreamer | !tell root_____ -about root |
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| 05:13.22 | jetscreamer | it's why you no type |
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| 05:13.48 | jetscreamer | oh. i did spammage |
| 05:13.51 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 05:13.52 | Guerin | aeronadix: oh. When you open it in mozilla, does it give you an 'open in ...' dialogue? |
| 05:13.53 | Yggdrasil | can somone help me get a wireless nic up .. BCM4306 it seems to be partialy working but im getting this when i ifup eth2_rename: unknown hardware address type 24 SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 05:14.00 | webfreak | !tell jetscreamer about spam |
| 05:14.07 | webfreak | :) |
| 05:14.21 | aeronadix | lets forget about the file. My problem is, right now Mozilla opens video files using kaffeine, and I want it to use anything else, but I can't seem to find how or where mozilla is configured to use kaffeine |
| 05:14.28 | aeronadix | Guerin, nope |
| 05:15.21 | Guerin | aeronadix: no idea how you change the default association, then |
| 05:15.22 | cahoot | aeronadix: nothing in about:config that looks like kaffeine? |
| 05:15.24 | jetscreamer | did you apt-get install mozilla-mplayer? |
| 05:15.24 | aeronadix | Guerin, hmm, thanks |
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| 05:15.25 | Guerin | might be a prefernece in mozilla, might be a DE thing |
| 05:15.41 | aeronadix | jetscreamer, dunno why, but mplayer never installed so good on this system. Usually thats what I use |
| 05:16.09 | aeronadix | jetscreamer, does mplayer have the password option, cause I have it, it works just not so well |
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| 05:16.10 | macka | hey, got a BASH question but #bash are asleep |
| 05:16.12 | macka | if [ $var -ne 1 && $rav -eq 1 ]... How do I make a dual test as such. IE, command will run as long as both conditions are met? |
| 05:16.34 | aeronadix | jetscreamer, it crashed a lot for some reason, dunno what wrong with my system |
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| 05:16.51 | Guerin | macka: those conditions are redundant |
| 05:16.54 | aeronadix | cahoot, what do youi mean? |
| 05:16.58 | jetscreamer | not sure but you could check in #mplayer ... first thing they'll tell you though is to update to cvs |
| 05:17.01 | macka | Guerin: ignore the conditions |
| 05:17.09 | jetscreamer | are you using the marillat packages yes you are eh |
| 05:17.13 | macka | Guerin: I just need to know how to do dual tests |
| 05:17.31 | jetscreamer | macka: #bash is another place you can also ask |
| 05:17.39 | jetscreamer | see the /topic too |
| 05:17.41 | macka | if ( $a == "a" && $b == "b") |
| 05:17.48 | macka | that, but in bash |
| 05:17.50 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 05:17.53 | macka | <macka> hey, got a BASH question but #bash are asleep |
| 05:17.56 | jetscreamer | yeah i need to read more |
| 05:18.00 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 05:18.00 | macka | :-) |
| 05:18.01 | aeronadix | jetscreamer, well, what I am trying to do is figure out how do deselect kaffeine as the default player, and then later re-select it, cause I like it |
| 05:18.08 | onweald_tim | After debootstrap'ing an etch system my file system is mounted read only. mount doesn't even show / mounted. |
| 05:18.28 | onweald_tim | fstab looks normal. It has a remount for ro on error. |
| 05:18.31 | jetscreamer | aeronadix: it would be, imo, like HE said, in about:config of mozilla||firefox |
| 05:18.36 | jetscreamer | but i dunno |
| 05:18.44 | jetscreamer | that or an alternatives thingy |
| 05:19.05 | macka | -a |
| 05:19.09 | onweald_tim | During the boot, xfs reports "unknown mount options [errors]" |
| 05:19.19 | nocti | what package do i need to install to get svn? |
| 05:19.19 | jetscreamer | as in update-alternatives |
| 05:19.23 | aeronadix | but about:config just shows my setup, but not how to disable kaffeine and enable something else for certain files |
| 05:19.24 | macka | if [ EXP1 -a EXP2 ] |
| 05:19.30 | jetscreamer | subversion nocti ? |
| 05:19.37 | nocti | subversion... tnx jetscreamer |
| 05:19.49 | jetscreamer | onweald_tim: know bug in grub about xfs fs |
| 05:19.54 | nocti | macka, doesn't && work? |
| 05:19.56 | SubStack | prefs->download->view & edit actions |
| 05:20.06 | onweald_tim | jetscreamer: This is in xen 3.0.2 |
| 05:20.07 | jetscreamer | onweald_tim: /join #grub , check /topic iirc |
| 05:20.10 | macka | don't know - didn't try it... heh |
| 05:20.12 | jetscreamer | ah no idea |
| 05:20.24 | onweald_tim | :-( |
| 05:20.34 | onweald_tim | Any idea what I can look at for troubleshooting further? |
| 05:21.07 | nocti | macka, i'd help you if i could but im not on nix right now, my fingers remember codes more than my head... http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 05:21.18 | jetscreamer | you could --remount / rw and mount /proc maybe.. not sure though what you 'should' do |
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| 05:21.52 | onweald_tim | jetscreamer: Thanks for the suggestion. I'm desperate at this point. |
| 05:21.57 | macka | nocti: I got it... -a does it |
| 05:22.06 | macka | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.06 | macka | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.06 | macka | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.32 | macka | !tell macka about spam |
| 05:23.12 | jetscreamer | aeronadix: did you check the 'plugin' section? |
| 05:23.35 | nocti | macka, use pastebin next time. that sux. |
| 05:23.46 | aeronadix | jetscreamer, where is that? I checked some, dunno which one you mean though |
| 05:24.00 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 05:24.04 | onweald_tim | This may be related but likely a different problem. |
| 05:24.07 | onweald_tim | During boot, it hangs for minutes on "Starting system log daemon: syslogdchmod: changing permissions of '/dev/xconsole' : Read-only file system" |
| 05:24.07 | jetscreamer | i found it |
| 05:24.24 | onweald_tim | Then "chown: changing ownership of '/dev/xconsole': Read-only file system' |
| 05:24.32 | jetscreamer | preferences/download/view&edit actions |
| 05:24.54 | jetscreamer | looks right.. no idea never tested it |
| 05:25.03 | onweald_tim | I don't have xconsole so I am wondering what the heck is going on here. |
| 05:25.57 | aeronadix | jetscreamer, downloads just has three choices, and the site I am trying to operate on, the download option doesn't come up, it just goes to "kaffeine plugin started" |
| 05:26.16 | Guerin | oh, it's a kaffeine plugin |
| 05:26.19 | jetscreamer | did you hit the view&edit actions? |
| 05:26.38 | jetscreamer | in preferences |
| 05:26.55 | jetscreamer | under the downloads tab |
| 05:27.49 | jetscreamer | mine lists what plugin to use on which media filetype... and has an option to change |
| 05:28.05 | aeronadix | jetscreamer, I don't have that tab, plus, its not downloading, it automatically opening the external application |
| 05:29.00 | jetscreamer | is this firefox or mozilla |
| 05:29.01 | Guerin | aeronadix: purge the kaffeine plugin and see if there's a helixplayer plugin |
| 05:29.10 | Guerin | but basically, this is why DRM is shit |
| 05:29.23 | Guerin | porn's not worth it, man |
| 05:29.54 | aeronadix | Guerin, I have both of them already |
| 05:30.10 | Guerin | aeronadix: so purge the kaffeine plugin |
| 05:30.24 | aeronadix | Guerin, c'mon, I don't want to do that |
| 05:30.25 | jetscreamer | is it mozilla or firefox |
| 05:30.30 | aeronadix | mozilla |
| 05:30.36 | jetscreamer | then it's under... |
| 05:30.38 | Guerin | aeronadix: I don't want to go to work tomorrow. |
| 05:30.48 | Skiver | any DNS export here ? |
| 05:30.50 | jetscreamer | navigator / helper applications |
| 05:30.50 | Guerin | aeronadix: you've got your answer, don't waste any more of our time. |
| 05:30.54 | Skiver | *expert. |
| 05:30.56 | aeronadix | Guerin, you are lucky |
| 05:30.58 | Guerin | Skiver: #dns |
| 05:31.12 | jetscreamer | in prefs |
| 05:31.24 | aeronadix | where in linux directory are they put those plugins? |
| 05:31.33 | aeronadix | where is the mozilla plugins directory |
| 05:31.47 | Guerin | aeronadix: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 05:31.54 | jetscreamer | under /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins or something like that |
| 05:32.06 | jetscreamer | mozilla is deprecated btw |
| 05:32.36 | amc | after 'apt-cache search something' under non-priivleged user i get "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' |
| 05:32.37 | amc | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.37 | amc | Aborted |
| 05:32.44 | jetscreamer | you didn't look in helper applications though did you |
| 05:33.17 | Yggdrasil | can somone help me get a wireless nic up .. BCM4306 it seems to be partialy working but im getting this when i ifup eth2_rename: unknown hardware address type 24 SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 05:33.26 | jetscreamer | amc i've no idea, but does that mean it works for root? |
| 05:33.40 | amc | yes, for root it works fine |
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| 05:34.05 | Guerin | amc: fun |
| 05:34.13 | aeronadix | jetscreamer, yeah, that the first place I looked, none of the mimes have kaffeine associated with them. One did, and I changed it, but still kaffeine is configured to open for all the file types listed under help-about mozilla plugins |
| 05:34.22 | amc | Guerin: not for me :D |
| 05:34.54 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove kaffine and reinstall it later. you won't even have to d/l the .deb after a while.. and your config will be there waiting. |
| 05:35.07 | jetscreamer | after a while == after the first time |
| 05:35.55 | Guerin | amc: check yonder BTS |
| 05:35.55 | Guerin | !test |
| 05:35.55 | dpkg | Sorry, guerin, I didn't get your test. |
| 05:36.27 | amc | i didn't get it? |
| 05:36.48 | amc | what's yonder bts? |
| 05:36.50 | aeronadix | when I do dpkg -L mozilla it says it not installed? |
| 05:37.01 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 05:37.05 | aeronadix | Could it be I installed it under different source than I have |
| 05:37.07 | jetscreamer | try mozilla-bin |
| 05:37.13 | aeronadix | like testing instead of stable |
| 05:37.34 | jetscreamer | but |
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| 05:38.00 | jetscreamer | in about:config plugin.override_internal_types looks interesting |
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| 05:38.23 | aeronadix | jetscreamer, I am interested too, how do I get to about:config, where is that/ |
| 05:38.45 | Coweater | type it in your address bar |
| 05:38.49 | jetscreamer | type it in th..^^ |
| 05:39.47 | aeronadix | oh, hehe, thanlks |
| 05:41.02 | aeronadix | jetscreamer, thats the same as help. problem is that just shows my setup, but doesn't show how to change it. Maybe I should jut purge. I am gonna look in that directory first someone told me about a way up earlier |
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| 05:42.30 | aeronadix | I am actually computer iliterate except when it comes to porn. then I become a guru and compiling kernels and configuring shit |
| 05:43.44 | aeronadix | so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins is where the actuall plugins themselves are located where do you suppose the config for them tings are located |
| 05:43.50 | aeronadix | its not in .mozilla |
| 05:45.10 | aeronadix | I didn't have a girlfriend or laid for over 5 years. THats pakistan life in Canada for ya. ALthough the mafia sends me hookers everywhere I go, haha. But I would rather pay myself than except a freebee from them |
| 05:45.18 | grendal_prime | anyone do mirroring with posgresql |
| 05:45.42 | Guerin | aeronadix: you work for the pakistani mafia in canada? |
| 05:46.10 | aeronadix | no, no such thing, I don't work for any mafia, the Canada mafia has made me there little toy for amusement |
| 05:46.22 | aeronadix | they mess with me now adays |
| 05:46.38 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove kaffine |
| 05:46.41 | aeronadix | Guerin, I have never heard of pakistan mafia |
| 05:46.43 | jetscreamer | or however you spell it |
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| 05:47.02 | grendal_prime | this..ahum sounds like a bunch of bullshit |
| 05:47.26 | sep | on irc, nobody can see you rofl... |
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| 05:47.48 | Guerin | aeronadix: they're strong in seoul |
| 05:48.07 | aeronadix | yeah right, pakistan mafia = cia |
| 05:48.17 | Guerin | haha |
| 05:48.46 | aeronadix | pakistan mafia is the most powerful criminals in the world |
| 05:48.49 | jair | so then in order to run debian sarge i386 or i686 on a hardware with more than 4GB I need an smp kernel? |
| 05:49.14 | jair | it is not out there a hugemem or bigmem kernel for debian sarge 3.1 stable? |
| 05:50.04 | stew | jair: SMP doesn't have anything to do with it. You have to compile a kernel with the HIGHMEM64G option |
| 05:50.10 | jair | I was checking with "apt-cache search" and could not find a kernel bigmem or hugemem :( |
| 05:50.22 | Guerin | do the smp kernels not have it already? |
| 05:50.56 | jair | stew: why 64G? |
| 05:51.00 | jetscreamer | jair: |
| 05:51.03 | stew | Guerin: all of the 2.6 kernels except the 2.6.8-?-386 have the HIGHMEM4G option, but not the 64G option |
| 05:51.04 | aeronadix | ok, I apt-get remove kaffeine-mozilla now instead of trying to config shit |
| 05:51.07 | jetscreamer | i pasted it. it's sid though. |
| 05:51.10 | jair | stew: because it can support up to 64GB? |
| 05:51.14 | jetscreamer | not sure about sarge |
| 05:51.34 | stew | jair: there are 3 choices, 0-1, 1-4, 4-64, you need the 4-64 option if you have more than 4, and that option is called HIGHMEM64G |
| 05:51.35 | jair | jetscreamer: sid is not stable.. I use stable on almost production environments |
| 05:52.27 | aeronadix | you know in pakistan some newspapers say mafia smuggled that nuclear dude into country A.Q.Khan, as a favour to governement. THey got some serious freedom of speach, they print anything |
| 05:52.28 | sep | jair, whats a almost production enviorment ? somewhere between testing and production ? |
| 05:52.46 | jair | sep: correct |
| 05:53.28 | jair | stew: I know it sound crazy and silly, but do I need to compile the kernel then? it is not a kernel supported out there on the repositories of debian? |
| 05:53.48 | sep | aeronadix, a bad check for freedom of speach, could they have written the same thing about the goverment or the religious leaders without reprisalies ? |
| 05:54.09 | sep | jair, correct |
| 05:54.10 | aeronadix | sep, yeah they can print anything |
| 05:54.33 | Guerin | aeronadix: only an hour after I told you to! |
| 05:54.39 | aeronadix | only now they going after religious leaders cause they causing too much trouble, otherwise people openly call for death to Musharraf |
| 05:54.54 | aeronadix | Guerin, yeah but I always had that option |
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| 05:55.08 | Guerin | aeronadix: you must really want to watch this porn |
| 05:55.11 | simonrvn | 'speech' 'reprisals' |
| 05:55.20 | Guerin | it must be some really nasty shit |
| 05:55.21 | stew | jair: yes. there are "bigmem" kernels in testing and unstable but not in stable |
| 05:55.35 | jair | stew: I see |
| 05:55.44 | aeronadix | Guerin, but, now nothing opens the file, how do I get realplayer to be used as the plug in |
| 05:55.57 | Guerin | aeronadix: no idea |
| 05:56.26 | jair | stew: it is any place you recall where oriet about how to make that happen in the kernel 2.6.8-3? |
| 05:56.33 | sep | jair, but you can use the debian kernel source packages, and just add that one line, if you are concerned about security issues |
| 05:56.38 | simonrvn | aeronadix: um, the press shouldn't be filtered to the point of them only printing garbage. people have the right to be informed; otherwise they cannot make sound decisions |
| 05:56.59 | jair | sep: correct |
| 05:57.01 | simonrvn | otherwise you get people like gwb |
| 05:57.02 | Guerin | simonrvn: are you implyiung that the press gives people the ability to make sound decisions? |
| 05:57.06 | jair | sep: where and how i do that? |
| 05:57.13 | stew | jair: in "processor type and features" iirc |
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| 05:57.25 | nevyn | Guerin: ideally... |
| 05:57.42 | jair | stew: what means "iirc"? |
| 05:57.58 | sep | jair, just grab the kernel-source and edit the config to say HIGHMEM64G=y HIGHMEM4G=Y and build. afaik |
| 05:57.58 | stew | jair: if i recall correctly |
| 05:57.58 | Guerin | nevyn: i've got a tropical island up by simonrvn if you're interested |
| 05:57.58 | imbrandon | if i recall correctly |
| 05:58.01 | aeronadix | simonrvn, yeah but you have to admit, that here no one can say anything besides the main view, otherwise their careers and businesses are over. There is no real freedom of speach, people get kicked off the boat in a second for minor things |
| 05:58.04 | simonrvn | Guerin: no, but if they functioned as they should be, at least it can help people do so |
| 05:58.11 | jetscreamer | jair: there's backports, if that's an option for you |
| 05:58.26 | stew | jetscreamer: there are? |
| 05:58.27 | jair | where I can access to the lines of my kernel I mean current kernel ?? Linux 2.6.8-3-k7 yes, I am using AMD ;) |
| 05:58.39 | jetscreamer | stew: there's not |
| 05:58.41 | aeronadix | other places so many people left the boat anyway, that kicking them off doesn't leave them isolated. You can go to the wild and still find currency |
| 05:58.41 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 05:58.50 | simonrvn | aeronadix: i don't care, lock me up, i'll speak the truth; *i* win, in the end, because i spoke the truth. |
| 05:58.52 | aeronadix | I don't know, something like that |
| 05:58.53 | Guerin | why is a person who doesn't know how to build a kernel runnning a box with more than 4G of ram? |
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| 05:59.01 | sep | jair, do you mean /boot/config-version ??? |
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| 05:59.10 | aeronadix | simonrvn, beware my friend beware |
| 05:59.15 | stew | jair: "lines"? |
| 05:59.23 | simonrvn | Guerin: too much money, not enough sense comes to mind |
| 05:59.26 | jetscreamer | !kp mantra |
| 05:59.26 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 05:59.32 | aeronadix | simonrvn, don't offend anyone and make unecessary enemies |
| 05:59.33 | Guerin | aeronadix: just because you come from a military dictatorship |
| 05:59.37 | simonrvn | aeronadix: *pff* |
| 05:59.42 | jair | stew: "processor type and features" |
| 05:59.44 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 05:59.45 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
| 05:59.49 | Kevin` | ooh messy @ kp mantra |
| 05:59.52 | stew | jair: make menuconfig |
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| 06:00.00 | jair | hmmm |
| 06:00.10 | stew | jair: (after you have downloaded kernel source) |
| 06:00.20 | jair | stew: I am super new doing this with kernels but i would love to start learning and practicing with it |
| 06:00.22 | sep | !kernel-package |
| 06:00.23 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 06:00.23 | Kevin` | tar xf linux-x.tbz2; cd linux-x; make menuconfig; make ;) |
| 06:00.34 | jetscreamer | you need libncurses5-dev also, and build-essential, and gcc... kernel-source... |
| 06:00.35 | aeronadix | Guerin, I was only born there but I have been in Canada my whole life. I am english. And I remember where I was at 9/11 and when Musharaf took over. I knew something was coming, then when 9/11, I knew what it was |
| 06:00.36 | stew | (and installed build-essential / fakeroot / kernel-package / libncurses5-dev) |
| 06:00.36 | jair | sep: nice :) |
| 06:00.55 | Guerin | aeronadix: heh |
| 06:00.55 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 06:01.04 | Guerin | aeronadix: so you have no excuse, then |
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| 06:01.12 | aeronadix | Musharaf was born in India, he went to Christian private schools |
| 06:01.15 | qsrv | hi |
| 06:01.23 | aeronadix | Guerin, no excuse for what/ |
| 06:01.30 | jetscreamer | aeronadix: i don't really care dude. does that count? |
| 06:01.35 | Guerin | aeronadix: when he was born, india and pakistan were one territory |
| 06:01.37 | aeronadix | I think 9/11 and bin-laden are a conspiracy |
| 06:01.44 | qsrv | is it possible to configure the network so that the computer would use a static address, but would get dns information via dhcp? |
| 06:01.58 | aeronadix | Guerin, You sure, I don't think he is that old |
| 06:02.06 | aeronadix | he is in his 40s maybe |
| 06:02.16 | simonrvn | aeronadix: just because i'm not in mi'kmaqi doesn't mean i'm not home. i live here due to the generous hospitality of the kahnienkahaka. |
| 06:02.20 | aeronadix | its been like 60years |
| 06:02.36 | wizzomafizzo | is there a guide somewhere to get xgl and compiz running relatively easy on etch? |
| 06:02.49 | aeronadix | simonrvn, dunno what you are talking about. where are those places? |
| 06:02.58 | Guerin | aeronadix: no, I'm not sure. But it's largely irrevlevant, anyway, since pakistan/india is largely an arbitrary division |
| 06:03.18 | jetscreamer | wizzomafizzo: the bot has a factoid, i don't know about 'easy' |
| 06:03.28 | simonrvn | mi'kmaqi is the where canada claims as the maritimes, and the kahnienkahaka are also known as mohawks |
| 06:03.36 | wizzomafizzo | jetscreamer: well at the very least, not messy |
| 06:03.49 | Guerin | aeronadix: yeah, born in 1943 according to wikipedia |
| 06:03.56 | b0nk3r | hi, i've never used debian before but will debian automatically detect my NIC card? |
| 06:04.00 | aeronadix | Guerin, no, its not arbitrary, they fight wars and are in Arms race. It is a very scary border, they doing same thing with Afghanistan border now too. what happenned over that border is some of the scariest thing in history ever |
| 06:04.02 | Guerin | aeronadix: so, sometime between 1930 and 1970 is probably right |
| 06:04.17 | stew | b0nk3r: possibly. do you know what card you have? |
| 06:04.17 | aeronadix | Guerin, shit he is old |
| 06:04.22 | aeronadix | he doesn't look that old |
| 06:04.25 | simonrvn | borders are arbitrary |
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| 06:04.32 | wizzomafizzo | jetscreamer: i found it, thanks |
| 06:04.37 | jetscreamer | !tell wizzomafizzo - |
| 06:04.40 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 06:04.40 | b0nk3r | stew: actually no i dont, its an old HP desktop pc, let me go look it up |
| 06:04.56 | stew | b0nk3r: if its old, the chances are excellent |
| 06:05.01 | aeronadix | simonrvn, c'mon, I wish, you need passports, and have to pass checkpoints greeted by armed men |
| 06:05.05 | Guerin | aeronadix: the initial division of india/pakistan from being separate units within one country was arbitrary. Afghanistan/pakistan haven't been part of the same country since the Moghuls |
| 06:05.40 | b0nk3r | stew: so you're saying most drivers are built in? |
| 06:05.43 | simonrvn | doesn't mean they aren't arbitrary |
| 06:05.44 | aeronadix | Guerin, I know but CNN was making this beef between Musharaf and Karzai |
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| 06:06.11 | Guerin | simonrvn: not ALL borders are arbitrary. The one good thing Stalin did was draw the borders of central asia along ethnic/tribal lines, rather than geographic lines |
| 06:06.24 | Guerin | which is why you have a jigsaw, but not ethnic cleansing as in the balkans |
| 06:06.37 | jair | sep: Guerin jetscreamer stew thank you very much :) |
| 06:06.54 | aeronadix | I wish there were one big india still, then if I was there, I could go from karachi to bombay to daka to anywhere |
| 06:07.15 | stew | b0nk3r: yes. its just that the currently released debian installer is over a year and a half old, so the support for newer stuff is spottier |
| 06:07.19 | Guerin | aeronadix: the kashmiri sihks I used to work with always said that,. too |
| 06:07.19 | aeronadix | USA is awesome place to live, you can to east to west for like $100, and its so easy |
| 06:07.27 | Guerin | s/hk/kh/ |
| 06:07.44 | jair | sep: so you said, that I may be able to add that line to the current kernel I am booting on my sarge 3.1? |
| 06:07.50 | b0nk3r | stew: excellent, you've gave me the answer i needed. thank you sir :) |
| 06:07.52 | jetscreamer | jair: don't do initrd. unless you have to. |
| 06:07.53 | aeronadix | the balkans people are nuts |
| 06:08.15 | aeronadix | but lots of crazy shit happen across india partition too |
| 06:08.16 | simonrvn | aeronadix: try being indigenous and in the u.s. ... |
| 06:08.30 | wizzomafizzo | jetscreamer: is there some place with a copy of that wiki page? it's not there at the moment |
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| 06:08.36 | sep | jair, no no no,,, you can use the debian sarge kernel-source, and the debian sarge config and alter that 1 line, and rebuild the kernel package |
| 06:08.42 | sep | you _must_ recompile im afraid |
| 06:09.05 | aeronadix | simonrvn, indegenous? like native. Being white rules, you can go anywhere in the world and people kiss you ass, we can't even go to our home countries safely |
| 06:09.13 | Guerin | simonrvn: s/ and in the u.s. ...// |
| 06:09.34 | Guerin | aeronadix: tell that to the 'whites' from the former USSR |
| 06:09.49 | sep | jair, and you must do this recompile each time a kernel security updates is out |
| 06:10.13 | simonrvn | Guerin: for sure |
| 06:10.33 | aeronadix | Guerin, what do mean/ |
| 06:10.43 | Guerin | simonrvn: my human rights prof, from WA, says noongar will get struck down as judicial activism |
| 06:11.02 | Guerin | aeronadix: not all 'white' people are equal in the eyes of the international community |
| 06:11.21 | aeronadix | well, I mean North American and European and Australian, and South African, and ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... |
| 06:11.36 | dondelelcaro | white is a misnomer anyway |
| 06:11.46 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: yup. total invention |
| 06:11.54 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:11.54 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:12.00 | aeronadix | Russian, Turkey, and those other countries that fought on the losing side of the world war aint safe for travel either |
| 06:12.22 | simonrvn | Guerin: fuck |
| 06:12.25 | Guerin | hence 'white' |
| 06:12.51 | jair | jetscreamer: thank you for the advice I am not sure how I will do that :( |
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| 06:13.23 | aeronadix | no they safe, just Pakistanis and Egyptions and Lebonon and like that are not safe |
| 06:13.31 | jair | sep: so you mean, if I do " apt-get dist-upgrade" then the kernel I am using could be affected? |
| 06:13.42 | dondelelcaro | aeronadix: in any event, #politics is that way ---> |
| 06:14.04 | Guerin | heh, #politics is a shitfight |
| 06:14.09 | Guerin | with three year-olds |
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| 06:15.39 | aeronadix | whats up, they arrested that holy man in USA, and bothering his followers. You can't be religous in US eh |
| 06:15.47 | sep | jair, i say.. that if a kernel issue is detected and a new kernel released for sarge security, then you need to recompile that kernel from the relesed security updated sources for you to be safe from whatever explpoit it fixed. |
| 06:16.05 | lnzju | hejj sx |
| 06:16.23 | jair | sep: I see |
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| 06:16.51 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 06:17.05 | jetscreamer | jair just take baby steps... like stew said. you could get fancy later. |
| 06:17.12 | jetscreamer | err sep |
| 06:17.12 | simonrvn | aeronadix: well, i suggest you dig deeper into things. in reality, the "news", isn't |
| 06:17.18 | jetscreamer | s/stew/sep/ |
| 06:17.19 | jair | sep: the reason why I want to have sarge working on big machines is because I want to start using it a lot and make it more popular for the big data centers ;) |
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| 06:17.31 | mynullvoid | I had installed apache2 php and the module for apache-php but why I can't get the php page displayed? |
| 06:17.32 | aeronadix | simonrvn, I have moved to #politics, please come over |
| 06:17.40 | Guerin | haha |
| 06:17.45 | jetscreamer | having to compile a kernel wouldn't make them happy... :) |
| 06:18.09 | simonrvn | last time i went there there was a bunch of neo-nazis. no thanks |
| 06:18.17 | sep | jair, well if those kinds of machines you probably need to learn how to both compile and configure properly, |
| 06:18.23 | jair | jetscreamer: but I think will be the only solution right now :( |
| 06:18.32 | sep | and not just do one liner changes, on instructions from unreliable madmen on irc. |
| 06:18.47 | jair | right |
| 06:18.54 | jair | sep: so like you said |
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| 06:19.08 | sep | and if you compile anyway, there is no reason to mess with the initrd. (like jetscreamer saied) |
| 06:19.24 | jair | sep: I want to do a test and compile the kernel 2.6.8-3-686 for example. |
| 06:19.30 | sep | but that's a whole lot more configuration in the kernel |
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| 06:19.52 | aeronadix | simonrvn, you didn't come over |
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| 06:20.31 | jair | sep: for example the first thing i will need is to have the kernel source? |
| 06:21.10 | Guerin | simonrvn: it's all ayn rand libertarians nowadays |
| 06:21.25 | aeronadix | simonrvn, yeah the freenode is full of them |
| 06:21.45 | simonrvn | Guerin: /me rolls eyes |
| 06:22.08 | jetscreamer | heh. strings ftp.exe | grep 'University of California' |
| 06:22.15 | sep | jair, yes. |
| 06:22.36 | jetscreamer | jair: just apt-get install all those things in one line |
| 06:22.56 | jair | sep: I have this kernel-source-2.6.8 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.8 with Debian patches and kernel-tree-2.6.8 - Linux kernel source tree for building Debian kernel images |
| 06:23.06 | mynullvoid | /amsg when I run my php file I got "Internal Server Error |
| 06:23.25 | jair | jetscreamer: what things? can you list the ones I need? |
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| 06:23.34 | Guerin | mynullvoid: #php |
| 06:23.39 | mynullvoid | ok |
| 06:24.00 | sep | jair, the 2 you just listed up :) |
| 06:24.04 | jair | it is a good how-to out there about compiling a kernel 2.6.8-3 in Debian Stable? |
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| 06:24.12 | Guerin | jair: kp mantra |
| 06:24.14 | jair | sep ok |
| 06:24.19 | Guerin | jair: you already saw it |
| 06:24.31 | jair | Guerin: yes i saw that on I will check it then |
| 06:24.50 | jair | but sometimes this documents are outdated |
| 06:24.58 | jair | that is why I ask on the channel |
| 06:25.35 | sep | http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html , or even better read the docs in the kernel-package package |
| 06:25.47 | simonrvn | the kp docs are decent |
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| 06:26.47 | jair | sep: the documents in the kernel packages? |
| 06:26.56 | sep | !kernel package |
| 06:26.56 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 06:27.03 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:27.32 | jetscreamer | hey i'm stupid. who the f is RMS |
| 06:27.39 | sep | !rms |
| 06:27.39 | dpkg | well, rms is Richard M. Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) and the GNU project, as well as the original author of the GNU C Compiler and GNU Emacs, one hell of a lisp coder. see fsf. or "Join us now and share the software, you'll be free hackers" , or see <vrms> |
| 06:27.43 | jetscreamer | ahh |
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| 06:27.55 | jetscreamer | thanks |
| 06:28.01 | sep | good bot to have :) |
| 06:28.15 | sep | !vrms |
| 06:28.15 | dpkg | vrms is, like, The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky non-free software... apt-get install vrms |
| 06:28.24 | sep | ahhaha |
| 06:28.29 | jetscreamer | okie |
| 06:29.16 | Yggdrasil | can somone help me get a linksys wireless nic up and running ? |
| 06:29.31 | Yggdrasil | BCM4306 |
| 06:29.32 | jair | sep: Thank you and jetscreamer you too, you guys are good :) |
| 06:30.07 | sep | Yggdrasil, no... but i remeber i frequented a bbs called yggdrasil once upon a time before 14k4 modems became popular |
| 06:30.13 | jair | i will be reading the documents you guys sent me i should be able to have it done |
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| 06:30.17 | Yggdrasil | hehe |
| 06:30.22 | clientxs | hey all |
| 06:30.33 | jair | I will do a back up of my debian server machine before work with the kernel |
| 06:30.39 | Yggdrasil | well my nick is spawned from a time .. a long time before what you are talking about. |
| 06:30.46 | clientxs | anyone here know how to change device ID for a broadcom BCM5704? |
| 06:30.50 | jetscreamer | heh cool |
| 06:30.53 | jetscreamer | An invocation of vrms has been added to the set of cron jobs run on a monthly basis, so that you will get a periodic reminder of non-free packages which are installed on your system. Here is the current list: |
| 06:31.02 | jetscreamer | i'm evil :( |
| 06:31.03 | clientxs | the device ID is 0000 but it should be 1648 |
| 06:31.10 | clientxs | useing Debiuan |
| 06:31.19 | clientxs | -u |
| 06:31.22 | Guerin | clientxs: update-pciids |
| 06:31.33 | Yggdrasil | clientxs what kind of card is that ? |
| 06:31.40 | Softly | fun |
| 06:31.59 | jetscreamer | 26 non-free packages, 1.9% of 1363 installed packages |
| 06:32.06 | clientxs | 10/100/1000 gigabit Ethernet ports from Broadcom BCM5704 |
| 06:32.13 | marquisdesade | hello. i have just installed unstable on a apple G4 (power 3). when i apt-get install xserver-xorg (7.1), it sets up all the dependencies and finally says 'setting up xserver-xorg'.. and just hangs. any ideas/tips? |
| 06:32.16 | Yggdrasil | ahh sorry cant help |
| 06:32.24 | Yggdrasil | sleeping now thaks for everythign |
| 06:32.25 | Yggdrasil | bbl |
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| 06:33.03 | clientxs | Guerin: already tried updateing the pciid's file to the right device id |
| 06:33.14 | clientxs | it then detects the cards but still operate. |
| 06:33.30 | sep | marquisdesade, think i saw a convo about that flash by yesterday on oftc if what they talked abotut it's a that's a known bug in a postinst and wait for a new package or use one from snapshopts |
| 06:33.32 | clientxs | won't* |
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| 06:33.51 | Guerin | clientxs: do you know that device is supported by the linux kernel? |
| 06:33.53 | marquisdesade | sep: yes, exactly... |
| 06:34.03 | chino[dev] | hwo do i know if my cron job is being ran ? |
| 06:34.11 | marquisdesade | sep: ok, good to know that. thanks. |
| 06:34.20 | sep | transitions are fun |
| 06:34.25 | Guerin | chino[dev]: add touch /tmp/itworked |
| 06:34.27 | clientxs | Guerin: yes, i'm able to download Broadcom BCM5700 series drivers. |
| 06:34.41 | Guerin | clientxs: oho, this is one o' them stupid firmware things? |
| 06:34.44 | clientxs | it's also provided in the Broadcom tg3 driver package. |
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| 06:36.14 | chino[dev] | i dont see anyhting getting created |
| 06:36.18 | chino[dev] | is it bad to put everything in quotes ? |
| 06:36.33 | clientxs | would it be worth redoing it's bios? |
| 06:36.33 | Guerin | i think quotes fuck cron up quite horribly |
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| 06:37.28 | sep | marquisdesade, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=388568 |
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| 06:38.39 | chino[dev] | i treid to redirect the output but i dont see any output |
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| 06:40.42 | chino[dev] | /usr/bin/env: ruby: No such file or directory |
| 06:40.49 | chino[dev] | i know what that means but wtf why ? |
| 06:40.50 | sep | chino[dev], cronjobs usualy send email to root. |
| 06:41.12 | chino[dev] | oya they dont have a path right |
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| 06:41.57 | Guerin | cron's environment is different to other users' |
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| 06:49.28 | chino[dev] | yea it worked! |
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| 06:51.18 | gallus | hi boys |
| 06:51.59 | gallus | i have a problem with the original nvidia drivers on my debian sid |
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| 06:53.32 | gallus | I install and compiled these drivers without problem but when i start X the screen seems to switch of or to show black |
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| 06:54.08 | sep | !nvidia one-liner |
| 06:54.08 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 06:54.18 | sep | gallus, i did thatone yesterday and it worked fine |
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| 06:55.50 | jetscreamer | so it's true, the basic stock kernels are all smp enabled now? there's only one linux-image-2.6.18-1-k7 in sid, and it's smp. |
| 06:56.06 | stew | yeah |
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| 06:56.25 | gallus | sep: I have an other question, why now in Xorg configuration I can't choose LCD display but only crt with the rance H and V? |
| 06:57.14 | sep | gallus, i dont know. try running with lower priority ? |
| 06:57.32 | sep | dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg |
| 06:57.39 | jetscreamer | gallus: i just enter the correct rates and it works |
| 06:58.04 | jetscreamer | not sure if there's a difference really, otherwise |
| 06:58.04 | stew | sep: -plow doesn't do anything there, low is the default |
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| 06:58.28 | sep | okay |
| 06:58.30 | jetscreamer | !tell gallus -about hwinfo |
| 06:58.57 | stew | sep: it's of course also harmless. i don't know why it bugs me seeing it :) |
| 06:59.10 | jetscreamer | you're anal :) |
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| 06:59.50 | gallus | jetscreamer: tnx |
| 06:59.57 | jetscreamer | shit. i told myself an hour ago i should go to sleep |
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| 07:04.15 | jetscreamer-echo | jetscreamer-echo: Go to sleep |
| 07:06.02 | marquisdesade | sep: hi again. i went back to stable and installed x-window-system-core. is there anything else I need to get? I dont even seem to have an xorg.conf... |
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| 07:07.59 | sep | marquisdesade, stable have xfree |
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| 07:17.50 | blackwing | hello... a quick question.. how do you change terminal cursor style? |
| 07:19.17 | marquisdesade | sep, thanks for hte bug report link |
| 07:19.23 | marquisdesade | hope they fix it soon :) |
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| 07:23.25 | tarzeau | blackwing: in console or a terminal ? |
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| 07:24.14 | blackwing | in gnome-terminal |
| 07:24.27 | tarzeau | blackwing: no idea, try #gnome on irc.gnome.org maybe? |
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| 07:24.38 | tarzeau | in console you can change it easily, as well as in Terminal.app |
| 07:25.01 | blackwing | how to change it in console? |
| 07:25.07 | intercool | I kinda a gentoo guy, but im now installing debian in an xen env, and i need to install php5. And im wondering how do i install a php5 version with every extension enabled ? or atleast xml,mysqli and such |
| 07:25.12 | tarzeau | depends if you have framebuffer or textmode |
| 07:25.22 | blackwing | textmode here |
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| 07:25.27 | tarzeau | if it's textmode and VGA, the hardware can do it. svgatextmode has options for it |
| 07:25.40 | tarzeau | but you could also write your own tool to do it, since it's just a few registers need be changed |
| 07:26.02 | blackwing | I see.. thanks |
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| 07:32.40 | _linuxAS_ | morning |
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| 07:38.15 | fhuussd | I think I have a virus or spyware |
| 07:38.40 | fhuussd | what should I do? |
| 07:39.05 | fhuussd | anyone? |
| 07:39.06 | Nosf3rat1 | bueller? |
| 07:39.37 | intercool | how do i install "virtual" packages ? |
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| 07:40.29 | vega- | i'm getting "error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" on EVERY command.. cannot execute anything |
| 07:40.38 | vega- | the strangest thing is that it is only with ONE user, on the same machine another user works perfectly |
| 07:40.49 | vega- | any idea what file/setting in my home dir could break things this badly? |
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| 07:41.52 | telexicon | why does iptables --list hang when certain rules are set? |
| 07:42.26 | fhuussd | I think I have a virus or spyware |
| 07:42.30 | fhuussd | what should I do? |
| 07:42.39 | vega- | fhuussd: install linux |
| 07:42.39 | telexicon | on linux? |
| 07:42.42 | Anarka | telexicon even with -n ? |
| 07:42.54 | fhuussd | vega: I'm running debian and firefox |
| 07:43.04 | telexicon | no it doesnt hang with -n |
| 07:43.09 | fhuussd | vega: I'm not running windows or anything else |
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| 07:43.14 | Anarka | doesnt resolv names |
| 07:43.15 | Coweater | fhuussd: why do you think that? |
| 07:43.24 | vega- | fhuussd: well, why do you suspect having a virus/spyware? |
| 07:43.37 | telexicon | ah |
| 07:43.57 | telexicon | so it is trying to use that port which i have blocked |
| 07:43.59 | Anarka | because firefox eats all his memory :P |
| 07:44.21 | fhuussd | Coweater, vega, thanks for asking, I click on a link using Firefox, and end up being taken to a Microsoft website instead of to where the link should go |
| 07:44.32 | telexicon | which port would need to be opened then? |
| 07:44.39 | fhuussd | Coweater, vega-, and the problem is NOT with the link |
| 07:44.42 | telexicon | 54 |
| 07:45.01 | telexicon | 53 |
| 07:45.14 | fhuussd | Coweater, vega-, doesn't that sound like malware to you? |
| 07:45.24 | telexicon | firefox does eat a lot of memory after a while |
| 07:45.32 | Coweater | no malware is going to send you to a microsoft site |
| 07:45.46 | Coweater | tried clearing your cache? |
| 07:46.02 | fhuussd | Coweater, will do that again and see |
| 07:46.58 | fhuussd | Coweater, clearing cache had no effect |
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| 07:47.12 | vega- | fhuussd: what's the link? |
| 07:47.16 | fhuussd | http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/templates/default.aspx |
| 07:47.22 | fhuussd | vega- that's the link |
| 07:47.25 | fhuussd | strange isn't it? |
| 07:48.04 | telexicon | which ports do i need to open so the computer can resolve names? |
| 07:48.07 | Coweater | !troll fhuussd |
| 07:48.13 | vega- | yeap |
| 07:48.27 | fhuussd | what does that mean !troll???? |
| 07:48.29 | Coweater | aww, where's dpkg |
| 07:48.39 | cydork | !test |
| 07:48.40 | dpkg | Sorry, cydork, I didn't get your test. |
| 07:48.47 | Anarka | telexicon are you running your own dns ? bind or something? |
| 07:48.53 | telexicon | no |
| 07:49.01 | fhuussd | I really have no idea what's happening, vega-, Coweater |
| 07:49.03 | fhuussd | do you??? |
| 07:49.10 | Anarka | then none |
| 07:49.24 | telexicon | why does it hang then? |
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| 07:49.39 | telexicon | it doesnt if i do -n so it must be name resolves... |
| 07:49.39 | Anarka | it doesnt hang forever ? |
| 07:49.44 | telexicon | no it doesnt hang forever |
| 07:49.44 | Anarka | just takes a while longer |
| 07:49.50 | telexicon | id like it to resolve names though |
| 07:50.05 | Anarka | because you have alot of connections and its resolving them all |
| 07:50.17 | vega- | fhuussd: yes i have, you are a troll |
| 07:50.25 | fhuussd | vega-, Coweater, I'm NOT trolling, if that's what you think, I really have no idea what the problem is |
| 07:50.28 | telexicon | if i do iptables --flush... then it lists quickly |
| 07:50.33 | fhuussd | vega-, what makes you say this??? |
| 07:50.45 | Anarka | of course... then you have no rules |
| 07:50.59 | vega- | 10:44 < fhuussd> Coweater, vega, thanks for asking, I click on a link using Firefox, and end up being taken to a Microsoft website instead of to where the link should go |
| 07:51.02 | vega- | 10:47 < fhuussd> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/templates/default.aspx |
| 07:51.05 | vega- | that's why |
| 07:51.12 | fhuussd | vega-, please just explain what the problem is and then I will go away. Again, it's a serious question. |
| 07:51.31 | fhuussd | vega-, those lines were sincere, not trolling at all |
| 07:51.33 | telexicon | i still dont understand why it takes so long... i only have one connection |
| 07:51.41 | Anarka | hum... |
| 07:51.43 | vega- | sorry gotta go, someone else pick up :) |
| 07:51.48 | Anarka | then it shouldnt take that long |
| 07:51.51 | fhuussd | vega- what the fuck |
| 07:51.53 | sep | fhuussd, the link you pasted IS to a microsoft website. are you being deliberatly stupid |
| 07:52.00 | Anarka | problem with your isp's dns |
| 07:52.10 | fhuussd | sep, yes I said it was a microsoft web site |
| 07:52.24 | fhuussd | sep, can you imagine how irritating it is for me!!??? |
| 07:52.33 | fhuussd | sep, I want to get this to stop |
| 07:52.39 | telexicon | if it was my isp's dns wouldnt it still hang with no rules? or on my other computers? |
| 07:52.44 | sep | fhuussd, dont click on it damit |
| 07:53.19 | fhuussd | sep, hold on, don't misunderstand |
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| 07:53.43 | saad3OOO | Hello, pppoe-discovery gives me a Timeout of PADO packets, any ideas please? |
| 07:53.54 | fhuussd | sep, this link: http://templates/mpexnetworks/images/02.png |
| 07:54.00 | fhuussd | for example, that link |
| 07:54.09 | fhuussd | sep, takes me to that microsoft web site |
| 07:54.24 | fhuussd | sep, and sorry if I'm coming across as stupid, but I'm NOT trolling |
| 07:54.30 | fhuussd | sep, it's a really frustrating problem |
| 07:55.00 | fhuussd | calling names like vega- was doing isn't helping |
| 07:55.03 | Anarka | thats a nice link but no a valid one |
| 07:55.30 | sep | fhuussd, that's your browser doing a search for "templates" and giginv you the first hit of google |
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| 07:55.43 | sep | that's "user error" if you have a problem with that |
| 07:56.07 | fhuussd | sep, so why is my browser doing that when I click on a graphic file? |
| 07:56.19 | sep | since http://templates/ is not a valid ursl |
| 07:56.24 | fhuussd | sep, how can I fix it? Isn't that malware? |
| 07:56.36 | sep | fhuussd, it's a broken link in a image, |
| 07:56.37 | fhuussd | sep, I never requested http://templates/ |
| 07:56.45 | sep | and too much userfriendlyness in a browser |
| 07:56.54 | sep | that's the url you pasted |
| 07:57.01 | sep | it's the link on the image you click on |
| 07:57.29 | sep | so if it anoy you "don't click on it" |
| 07:57.33 | fhuussd | ah, wait a minute, now I think I understand |
| 07:57.35 | fhuussd | just a sec |
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| 07:57.56 | sep | fhuussd, if you typed "templates" into the adderss bar by itself youd get the same page |
| 07:58.25 | intercool | How do i install virutal packages ? |
| 07:58.26 | fhuussd | sep, I understand |
| 07:58.44 | fhuussd | sep, so the problem is not local, but actually on the site where the link is hosted |
| 07:58.49 | sep | fhuussd, yes |
| 07:58.52 | fhuussd | the link is broken somehow |
| 07:59.08 | fhuussd | sep, thanks for resolving this. I'm grateful. |
| 07:59.30 | fhuussd | if vega is still around tell him I'm not a !troll, maybe a little slow sometimes, but no troll |
| 07:59.34 | fhuussd | :) |
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| 08:02.31 | telexicon | no ideas about the name resolve hangs? |
| 08:03.38 | sep | telexicon, you said that if you did iptables flush nameresolution works ? |
| 08:03.45 | telexicon | yes |
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| 08:04.11 | telexicon | more specifically... if i remove -s ALL -j DROP |
| 08:04.19 | sep | telexicon, then you mess up your iptables rules. if you dont know how to write ip table rules use a frontend like shorewall fwbuilder or some such |
| 08:04.39 | telexicon | it hangs... but gets through after 10 seconds |
| 08:05.04 | telexicon | a frontend? ... with what? |
| 08:05.12 | telexicon | is that web based? |
| 08:05.15 | sep | have you opened port 53 goign out |
| 08:05.27 | sep | telexicon, normaly not, but i bet that exsists too |
| 08:05.58 | telexicon | my OUTPUT chain is empty... i have both tcp and udp open on port 53 for INPUT |
| 08:06.17 | sep | telexicon, eg for shorewall you define interfaces zones polices and rules. and it makes all the iptables rules for you |
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| 08:06.32 | telexicon | i dont have a gui |
| 08:06.41 | sep | telexicon, nither does shorewall |
| 08:07.02 | sep | telexicon, keep in mind it's the source port 53 not _your_ port 53 |
| 08:07.07 | sep | is the dns servers port 53 |
| 08:07.55 | telexicon | thats what it is.. i keep forgetting whether im doing the things im serving or im client..ing |
| 08:08.26 | sep | telexicon, well look for hits in the log then when you resolve. |
| 08:08.36 | telexicon | that worked thanks |
| 08:08.40 | sep | sounds a bit like you drop for the primay nameserver adn accept for the secondary |
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| 08:15.15 | arashh | Join This Group For Free And Recieve a Monthly salary... http://greenhorse.com/join_now.ghc?r=150567315 |
| 08:16.12 | streuner_ | !ops arashh spaming us |
| 08:16.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: streuner_ complains about: arashh spaming us |
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| 08:16.34 | streuner_ | thanks |
| 08:16.41 | azeem | thank you |
| 08:19.26 | SlayerXP | how on earth did maulkin get to be an op? |
| 08:19.35 | SlayerXP | I know him, he's an idiot :) |
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| 08:21.12 | lukaszg | wich command use to find number of updates? maybe is easier way than echo $(( (`apt-get -s dist-upgrade | wc -l` - 5) / 2 )) ? :) |
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| 08:21.59 | lukaszg | wich = which |
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| 08:23.11 | streuner_ | SlayerXP: careful |
| 08:23.15 | darkskiez | is crosstool the preferred debian way of getting / building a cross compiler ? |
| 08:23.30 | SlayerXP | streuner: I'm sure he'd agree with me :) |
| 08:24.52 | streuner_ | Maulkin is not only OP here, he is DD and secretary of SPI |
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| 08:25.26 | streuner_ | he had a big influence that the next debconf going to Edinburgh |
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| 08:25.41 | streuner_ | so many debian people trust him |
| 08:25.43 | possie | what is the maximum number of characters for a login name? |
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| 08:26.32 | marquisdesade | i should really ask this in #xorg (which i did, but folks seem to be asleep there)... any ideas how I can generate a fonts.alias from a fonts.dir file? X crashes because it cant find the 'fixed' font, and I don't want to edit a fonts.alias manually. |
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| 08:27.02 | tarzeau | possie: you don't want ones longer than 8 |
| 08:27.18 | tarzeau | possie: since that might potentailly cause problem with some software |
| 08:27.28 | tarzeau | possie: but for a definitive answer, utsl |
| 08:27.36 | possie | tarzeau, ok |
| 08:27.41 | tarzeau | marquisdesade: got debian? |
| 08:27.46 | tarzeau | !fixed |
| 08:27.46 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
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| 08:28.37 | possie | tarzeau, cause i'm getting into an environment with 200 users, and some have the most stranges names |
| 08:28.52 | marquisdesade | tarzeau: yep, i reinstalled xfonts-base quite a few times |
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| 08:29.24 | SlayerXP | Maulkin: morning :) |
| 08:29.26 | tarzeau | possie: can you give some examples? |
| 08:29.33 | tarzeau | marquisdesade: what do you have? sid? stable? |
| 08:29.43 | marquisdesade | i'm using XFree because the latest xorg isnt supported on mac ppc |
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| 08:30.03 | marquisdesade | i installed unstable till i tried xserver-xorg (which hangs), and now am using stable X packages |
| 08:30.12 | tarzeau | marquisdesade: tried #debianppc ? |
| 08:30.23 | marquisdesade | oh, no.. sorry (didnt see that chan in the topic). will do that |
| 08:30.34 | marquisdesade | tarzeau: but, i dont think this is a ppc problem |
| 08:30.42 | Maulkin | streuner_: don't worry, SlayerXP is too retarded to form a coherent sentance on the pros/cons of parenthood, so you can more or less ignore what he says. |
| 08:30.52 | Maulkin | (ooh look, channel convergence) |
| 08:30.54 | marquisdesade | i manually created one fonts.alias with one entry for fixed, and X started (fonts looked ugly though) |
| 08:30.55 | possie | tarzeau, Jennifer van der Nooij |
| 08:31.11 | possie | tarzeau, just one of them |
| 08:31.27 | streuner_ | Maulkin: i know him since many years, sometimes he is just a bit different, but he is ok... |
| 08:31.31 | possie | tarzeau, also, are there best rule son using spaces, dots, strange characters? |
| 08:31.40 | SlayerXP | Maulkin: i avoided that thread as I'd avoid those pictures of you that you keep sending me |
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| 08:31.47 | marquisdesade | i'm just looking for something to read the stuff in fonts.dir and give me a nice fonts.alias |
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| 08:32.44 | Maulkin | SlayerXP: hey, you started it by sending me the pictures with teh badgers... |
| 08:32.53 | SlayerXP | oh yes, dammit |
| 08:32.54 | Maulkin | streuner_: yeah, I know him well :) |
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| 08:37.23 | tarzeau | possie: just use letters |
| 08:37.26 | tarzeau | possie: and no more than 8 |
| 08:37.33 | tarzeau | possie: and you're on the safe side |
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| 08:38.31 | SlayerXP | my little debian laptop always pauses during startup, prompting me to either enter the root password, or press ctrl-d to continue. how can I stop it doing that? |
| 08:39.02 | Yamaraj | Any easy guide for disk encryption during installation of Etch using beta3 installer? I did successfully install the dm-crypt using LVM, but GNOME asks for the luks passphrase even after I've already entered it before. |
| 08:39.12 | novouk | my system is defaulting to ipv6. how to set it to ipv4? |
| 08:39.26 | Maulkin | SlayerXP: don't go into single user mode? |
| 08:39.45 | SlayerXP | Maulkin: i don't, I hit ctrl-d to continue. but it does that at every startup |
| 08:39.53 | SlayerXP | slightly puzzled as to why |
| 08:40.07 | Maulkin | SlayerXP: it's dropping into single user mode IIRC. |
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| 08:40.30 | Maulkin | IT could be a fsck failing on your root filesystem, or you could have a line in your lilo/grub config |
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| 08:40.48 | novouk | do i have to reconfig and recompile the kernel to change fr ipv6 to ipv4? |
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| 08:41.13 | SlayerXP | that'll be it, then |
| 08:41.15 | Yamaraj | SlayerXP: Make sure your kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst doesn't have a "single" without quotes. |
| 08:41.21 | Yamaraj | Oh! |
| 08:42.13 | karsten | SlayerXP: Indeed. |
| 08:42.19 | aeronadix | is there an embed video player for mozilla on linux that has the option to enter a user name/password for encrypted video files |
| 08:42.24 | novouk | HOW TO SET THE SYSTEM TO IPV4!? |
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| 08:43.17 | possie | tarzeau, specially when you get into mixed enviroments (windows env) it really gets messy |
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| 08:44.37 | tarzeau | possie: we have a homogenous environment (os x, windows, linux and freebsd) |
| 08:44.46 | tarzeau | possie: and NIS, NFS, SMB... |
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| 08:48.41 | possie | tarzeau, well thing is, they want single-sign-on here |
| 08:49.03 | Yamaraj | Any easy guide for disk encryption during installation of Etch using beta3 installer? I did successfully install the dm-crypt using LVM, but GNOME asks for the luks passphrase even after I've already entered it before. (repeat) |
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| 08:50.45 | owh | Greetings. I have a system with three sata drives. Disk 1 and 2 were setup as a mirror raid with XFS partitions. One drive failed, system f*cked itself. I won't go into that ATM. I managed to mount bits and copy data from the two drives onto drive 3, same partitions, but ext3. I now have the machine up. How do I check the integrity of the installed packages? |
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| 08:54.05 | possie | is it true that if a filesystem gets to full (above 70%) the filesystems performance decreases ? |
| 08:54.45 | owh | possie: Not so much the filesystem, but the overall system. |
| 08:55.12 | possie | owh, yes because of the iowaits probably right? |
| 08:55.43 | owh | possie: Well, more data gets shuffled, so more actual activity takes place, so you get to wait longer :-) |
| 08:56.30 | possie | owh, alright, and does this start at 70%? |
| 08:56.59 | tarzeau | possie: cool, we have that :) |
| 08:57.36 | possie | tarzeau, nice, and what do you use for this? |
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| 08:58.24 | tarzeau | possie: one password |
| 08:58.38 | tarzeau | possie: and ssh keys if he wants to |
| 08:59.08 | tarzeau | possie: i can point you to http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/readme/ |
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| 09:00.27 | cydork | tarzeau: hey you use condor :) |
| 09:02.35 | wlazian | hi to all. is it possible that strlcpy is not part of the libc version of debian? |
| 09:03.13 | cydork | wlazian: strlcpy? or strcpy? |
| 09:03.57 | wlazian | strlcpy |
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| 09:05.02 | glitch- | I got kernel panic from running fsck And somehow it just kernel panic sometime even if I don`t run fsck |
| 09:05.58 | dondelelcaro | glitch-: could be a kernel bug or your kernel got screwed up on disk |
| 09:06.07 | dondelelcaro | glitch-: try booting off of a different kernel or different media. |
| 09:06.13 | dondelelcaro | it's also possible that you've got a hardware problem. |
| 09:06.30 | Trewas | wlazian: apparently not, someone tried to get them to libc in 2000 and was rejected with "This is horribly inefficient BSD crap." |
| 09:07.17 | dondelelcaro | you should be using strncpy |
| 09:07.19 | glitch- | I am using Debian Sarge |
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| 09:07.35 | wlazian | Trewas : thanks |
| 09:07.39 | telexicon | im running a pentium 3 computer with debian with kernel 2.4.27-2.386... when i try to use the 2.6 kernel it has updated to it restarts during init |
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| 09:07.55 | RichiH_fallback | glitch-: that is of not much interest in this case |
| 09:07.57 | dondelelcaro | telexicon: at what point? |
| 09:07.59 | glitch- | dondelelcaro:I boot from Knoppix to fsck it Same kernel-panic |
| 09:08.08 | sep | glitch-, with the debian official kernels ? |
| 09:08.10 | dondelelcaro | glitch-: at the same point? or randomly? |
| 09:08.11 | telexicon | i dont really see anything after the bootloader |
| 09:08.15 | RichiH_fallback | glitch-: then i fear you have hardware problems |
| 09:08.16 | glitch- | Erm... any tool that I can verify that? |
| 09:08.17 | sep | glitch-, check for hardware issues |
| 09:08.35 | dondelelcaro | telexicon: bad kernel, or the kernel options don't match your hardware |
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| 09:08.41 | glitch- | Some suggested memtest86 |
| 09:08.52 | dondelelcaro | glitch-: that's a place to start |
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| 09:09.00 | telexicon | ok, its the kernel provided by debian stable... but ill try compiling one |
| 09:09.10 | glitch- | I haven`t try memtest86 |
| 09:09.15 | glitch- | Because I am connecting to undernet thru that SargeBox |
| 09:09.23 | glitch- | and here |
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| 09:09.32 | dondelelcaro | telexicon: you're using the linux-image-686 kernels, right? |
| 09:09.36 | glitch- | okay im here now |
| 09:09.53 | glitch- | So I might D/C because of Kernel panic at any moment... >_< |
| 09:10.10 | telexicon | vmlinuz-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 09:11.04 | tarzeau | cydork: yeah. you too? |
| 09:11.25 | tarzeau | cydork: found the temperature stats yet? |
| 09:11.31 | wlazian | <Trewas> wlazian: apparently not, someone tried to get them to libc in 2000 |
| 09:11.33 | wlazian | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.39 | wlazian | sorry |
| 09:11.43 | cydork | tarzeau: well not just condor, we use hell lot of other stuff :P |
| 09:11.47 | tarzeau | cydork: also very cool (and indeed helpful): http://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats |
| 09:11.54 | tarzeau | cydork: tell me... |
| 09:12.00 | tarzeau | cydork: Intel MKL library? |
| 09:12.12 | tarzeau | cydork: what people do you work with? what software? i'm interested in everything |
| 09:12.34 | tarzeau | cydork: but really we go eating now, after that? |
| 09:12.42 | telexicon | ill see if it logs something |
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| 09:14.20 | intercool | How do i install a virutal package ? |
| 09:14.31 | intercool | err: virtual |
| 09:15.00 | dondelelcaro | intercool: you don't; virtual packages are provided by other packages. |
| 09:15.47 | glitch- | sep,dondelelcaro,RichiH_fallback :Is there any util for checking Hardisk? |
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| 09:15.49 | intercool | okay, how come php5-mysqli isnt installed when i install php5-mysql ? |
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| 09:17.20 | dondelelcaro | intercool: uh... there's no php5-mysqli package |
| 09:17.30 | intercool | Package: php5-mysqli |
| 09:17.31 | intercool | State: not a real package |
| 09:17.46 | intercool | it is there but it isnt a real package.. whatever that means |
| 09:18.06 | dondelelcaro | intercool: nothing provides it; anything that depends on it (phpmyadmin and torrentflux) has a bug. |
| 09:18.27 | intercool | okay, how do i get it then ? |
| 09:19.19 | dondelelcaro | intercool: you don't need it. Install php5-mysql |
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| 09:19.39 | intercool | yes i need it.. i want the mysqli function in php, not the mysql function |
| 09:19.50 | intercool | two different functions, |
| 09:19.56 | intercool | one better than the other |
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| 09:20.09 | dondelelcaro | ugh; leave it to PHP to have 8 billion implementations of the same thing |
| 09:20.21 | intercool | hehe, |
| 09:20.36 | telexicon | is there a complete object oriented library implementation for php? |
| 09:20.36 | dondelelcaro | intercool: anyway, it's not in Debian. you'll have to RFP it. |
| 09:20.42 | dondelelcaro | hahaha |
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| 09:20.44 | intercool | yeah, but every other distro do i right besides debian.. |
| 09:20.46 | glitch- | dondelelcaro:Is there any util for checking Hardisk? |
| 09:21.15 | dondelelcaro | glitch-: depends; modern harddrives check themselves; smartctl will tell you what their tests are doing. |
| 09:21.16 | Gnea | intercool: define "does it right" |
| 09:21.23 | intercool | some ppl say gentoo is hard, debian is ten times more confusing,.. |
| 09:21.23 | dondelelcaro | badblocks will do whatever else you need. |
| 09:21.38 | intercool | better install gentooo here to :) |
| 09:21.50 | intercool | then i get the freedom to choose :) |
| 09:21.50 | Gnea | intercool: are you aware of the concept of software licensing? |
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| 09:21.57 | dondelelcaro | ah, looks like php5-mysqli was just built. |
| 09:22.03 | dondelelcaro | intercool: see #320835 |
| 09:22.20 | intercool | okay. thanks. |
| 09:23.10 | glitch- | dondelelcaro:smartctl?My harddisk`s quite old40 or 60GB. Should I use the badblocks command? |
| 09:23.21 | dondelelcaro | glitch-: that's actually rather new |
| 09:23.33 | dondelelcaro | old as in >> 10 years ago. |
| 09:23.42 | Gnea | 40GB is quite old? did we skip ahead to 2020 or something? |
| 09:23.49 | intercool | dondelelcaro: 40gb disk is'nt new in a Western country :) |
| 09:24.07 | telexicon | hmm |
| 09:24.09 | intercool | Its new in pakistan or some place like that.. |
| 09:24.12 | dondelelcaro | intercool: uh... it may be new if you don't remember 20M drives |
| 09:24.12 | glitch- | I will try both memtest86 and badblocks later' |
| 09:24.15 | telexicon | it seems both 2.6 kernels reboot my computer |
| 09:24.20 | telexicon | perhaps they dropped support for my hardware? |
| 09:24.32 | dondelelcaro | telexicon: unlikely; which kernel image are you using? |
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| 09:24.49 | telexicon | i have tried 2.6.2-2 and 2.6.2-3 |
| 09:25.00 | glitch- | I am only 15.So when you say old... I can simply define it as older than me.. .XD |
| 09:25.01 | dondelelcaro | telexicon: I need the full package name |
| 09:25.02 | Gnea | intercool: promote non-violence and maybe it'll get better :) |
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| 09:25.24 | telexicon | dondelelcaro: hold on it is restarting |
| 09:25.44 | intercool | Or just wait until they kill each other off... the problem will fix itself.. |
| 09:25.53 | glitch- | 40GB`s outdated |
| 09:26.10 | glitch- | I mean... you go to some IT shopping center, you are not going to see 40GB`s around |
| 09:26.14 | dondelelcaro | I have working machines in this very lab which are older than glitch-... |
| 09:26.32 | Gnea | glitch-: i don't consider IT shopping centers to be the end-all of hardware outlets |
| 09:26.36 | garo | LVM question: Should i worry about "Incorrect metadata area header checksum" ? |
| 09:27.07 | glitch- | dondelelcaro:your age? |
| 09:27.12 | Gnea | glitch-: especially if it's a non-work related system, then that doesn't apply |
| 09:27.24 | telexicon | dondelelcaro: kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 - restarts... i am using kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 09:27.45 | telexicon | perhaps it doesnt support 686 |
| 09:28.22 | telexicon | actually now that i think about it, i am fairly sure it doesnt |
| 09:28.26 | Gnea | 386 ought to run on any x86, it just doesn't run as efficiently on a 686 as a 686 does |
| 09:28.26 | telexicon | thank you |
| 09:29.09 | telexicon | i am trying to run 686 on a 386 |
| 09:29.17 | telexicon | well thats what it was attempting to do |
| 09:29.18 | Gnea | heh |
| 09:29.18 | stainlessmice | O.o |
| 09:29.26 | Gnea | yeah, it goes one way, not both ways |
| 09:29.44 | telexicon | yea that makes sense.. i just wasnt paying attention to the name |
| 09:29.48 | telexicon | is there a 586 package? |
| 09:29.53 | Gnea | probably |
| 09:29.57 | Gnea | search for it |
| 09:30.18 | telexicon | isnt pentium 3 considered 686 though? |
| 09:30.23 | stainlessmice | is PII a 686 cpu? |
| 09:30.24 | Gnea | yup |
| 09:30.30 | Trewas | oldest 40gb drives are from 1999 or 2000, in that sense 40gb drives can be quite old and in the end of their lifetimes even though they were still available a couple of years ago |
| 09:30.30 | Gnea | yes |
| 09:30.43 | telexicon | er.. well then it should be working |
| 09:30.43 | stainlessmice | ^^ |
| 09:31.02 | Gnea | Trewas: 7 years isn't very old... oh wait, i'm sorry, i'm used to using SCSI, which will last 10+ years easily. |
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| 09:31.23 | Gnea | silly IDE, what was I *thinking*? ;) |
| 09:31.49 | glitch- | Didn`t know Knoppix 3.7`s 2 year old |
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| 09:32.11 | Gnea | timestamps are very useful |
| 09:32.32 | telexicon | a celeron!?... who put that in there... |
| 09:32.34 | Trewas | Gnea: scsi drives are so horribly overpriced that it's good if there is actually some benefit in them :) |
| 09:32.53 | Gnea | Trewas: if you've never used them, then obviously you don't know the benefit :) |
| 09:33.17 | telexicon | the price of scsi is outrageous |
| 09:33.20 | JJ|Laptop | wow my server sucks... http://sial.org/pbot/20050 |
| 09:33.29 | Gnea | depends what angle you're doing SCSI from |
| 09:33.29 | stainlessmice | celeron is a man with one leg |
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| 09:33.37 | Gnea | if it's in IT, then yes, it's gonna be expensive |
| 09:33.44 | Gnea | if it's a personal system, it's mad cheap |
| 09:33.55 | Gnea | it used to be the other way around |
| 09:34.12 | Trewas | Gnea: no, I don't... apart from the obvious one, that the highest end (15k rpm drives and so on) is only available in scsi |
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| 09:34.33 | telexicon | well |
| 09:34.38 | telexicon | what on earth are you running on it? |
| 09:34.46 | stainlessmice | sigh, why they don't use SCSI/Firewire as the standards? |
| 09:34.47 | telexicon | my server is running in 64MB |
| 09:34.47 | Gnea | Trewas: yeah, those are some big bucks, and for what most people do, they really couldn't justify getting those anyway |
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| 09:35.06 | Gnea | stainlessmice: because iSCSI is the new standard |
| 09:35.10 | sjamaan | I'd like to install Trac 0.9 or 0.10 on sarge |
| 09:35.15 | sjamaan | Can I do this without too much hassle? |
| 09:35.37 | stainlessmice | iSCSI is the one of SCSI |
| 09:36.00 | sjamaan | (any known backports?) |
| 09:36.05 | Gnea | !backports |
| 09:36.05 | dpkg | hmm... backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 09:36.06 | cydork | sjamaan: check backports.org :P |
| 09:36.11 | Gnea | sjamaan: don't know, you should check |
| 09:36.11 | stainlessmice | SCSI/1394 >>>>> ATA/SATA/USB |
| 09:36.25 | Gnea | USB hard drives suck |
| 09:36.31 | sjamaan | Can't find it there |
| 09:36.51 | Gnea | sjamaan: then you have your answer |
| 09:36.54 | sjamaan | heh |
| 09:36.55 | sjamaan | :( |
| 09:36.59 | stainlessmice | USB HDD = a crappy bridge chip = 1/2 speed |
| 09:37.25 | Gnea | stainlessmice: even at full speed, it still can corrupt very easily |
| 09:37.41 | stainlessmice | the SCSI/1394 HDD = the lord |
| 09:37.47 | Gnea | sjamaan: you could try to build a backport yourself... |
| 09:37.59 | JJ|Laptop | is a load average of 1.50, 1.39, 1.36 bad? |
| 09:38.17 | Kevin` | JJ|Laptop well.. yes |
| 09:38.19 | Gnea | JJ|Laptop: that depends, is there smoke coming out of the case? |
| 09:38.39 | JJ|Laptop | uumm... |
| 09:38.41 | JJ|Laptop | it's a server |
| 09:38.45 | Gnea | again. |
| 09:38.45 | JJ|Laptop | so how's i know? |
| 09:38.45 | Kevin` | JJ|Laptop load average greater then one means processes are regularly having to wait for cpu time |
| 09:38.52 | Trewas | is there actually some benefit in scsi compared to SATA (in a single desktop/server)? |
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| 09:38.57 | Gnea | by looking at/smelling it? |
| 09:39.10 | JJ|Laptop | Gnea: it's in france, i'm in canada |
| 09:39.13 | Kevin` | JJ|Laptop I would check top |
| 09:39.19 | Kevin` | see if there's any runaway process |
| 09:39.27 | stainlessmice | SATA is a thief |
| 09:39.33 | Gnea | JJ|Laptop: check processes and open files |
| 09:39.34 | JJ|Laptop | it's pythona nd ntop |
| 09:39.39 | Kevin` | bbl sleep |
| 09:39.44 | Gnea | ooooh ntop, no wonder |
| 09:39.48 | stainlessmice | SATA stole skills from SCSI |
| 09:39.50 | JJ|Laptop | ntop is a network monitor |
| 09:39.57 | Gnea | SATA didn't steal jack shit |
| 09:40.01 | JJ|Laptop | and with 25mb/s i guess it's backed up |
| 09:40.14 | Gnea | SCSI is still and always will be the king |
| 09:40.14 | JJ|Laptop | adn python is doing all the 25mb/s |
| 09:40.20 | JJ|Laptop | *and |
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| 09:40.28 | JJ|Laptop | bt seeding like 30gigs of files... |
| 09:40.45 | Gnea | JJ|Laptop: if you're actively reading it, then yeah it's gonna increase the speed |
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| 09:41.25 | telexicon | i found no kernel-image-2.6-586 |
| 09:41.44 | telexicon | :(... oh well... id rather not compile a kernel cause i havnt had much luck making an initrd and i dont want to mess with it that much |
| 09:41.52 | exalted | Anyone has the same problem (or know something about) of "Segmentation Fault" on any of these programs: apt, aptitude, synaptic, apt-index-watcher; after an upgrade in the last 2-3 weeks? |
| 09:42.02 | Trewas | I know SCSI has still some fanboys, I was just curious if there was actually some benefits considering "normal" PCs, I guess not ;) |
| 09:42.04 | Gnea | telexicon: i think they stopped the 586 builds with 2.4 |
| 09:42.14 | JJ|Laptop | is there a way to check HD/cpu temps? |
| 09:42.23 | Kevin` | JJ|Laptop hddtemp |
| 09:42.25 | Kevin` | or smartctl |
| 09:42.26 | Gnea | exalted: check the bug tracker |
| 09:42.28 | Gnea | !bts |
| 09:42.28 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 09:42.32 | telexicon | isnt a segmentation fault where the program tries to write to a memory address outside its process area? |
| 09:42.32 | Kevin` | (both use the same method) |
| 09:42.54 | stainlessmice | seems to be |
| 09:42.59 | JJ|Laptop | Kevin`: what about for cpu? |
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| 09:43.09 | Gnea | or if it tries to write to its own memory address that's been hijacked |
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| 09:43.19 | Kevin` | JJ|Laptop acpi might report it |
| 09:43.23 | Kevin` | this is in /proc |
| 09:43.40 | Kevin` | or is it /sys |
| 09:43.54 | exalted | Gnea, i've already filled a bug report about this on aptitude: "http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=383474" But i can't really figure out if the problem is about "aptitude" or something deeper than that since none of the apt-family applications having the same issue. |
| 09:44.11 | cydork | JJ|Laptop: /proc/acpi/thermwhater something like that |
| 09:44.12 | Gnea | !dbugs 383474 |
| 09:44.17 | dpkg | #383474:I[aptitude] running aptitude returns "Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. Segmentation fault"; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:48:26 UTC |
| 09:44.35 | exalted | Gnea, yeah; that's it. |
| 09:44.44 | stainlessmice | is it a gcc issue? |
| 09:44.52 | exalted | I can't say stainlessmice |
| 09:44.59 | stainlessmice | o.o |
| 09:45.08 | exalted | There you can find a list of the upgrade log, if you're interested. |
| 09:45.38 | Gnea | exalted: ok well first of all, it's in testing. second of all, why is /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash? |
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| 09:46.03 | exalted | Gnea, i'm using Unstable btw; and ummmm... |
| 09:46.03 | stainlessmice | bash is a better sh? |
| 09:46.54 | Gnea | !bash |
| 09:46.54 | dpkg | methinks bash is the Bourne Again Shell, and the default debian shell. |
| 09:46.56 | JJ|Laptop | so hd is 32C |
| 09:47.01 | exalted | Gnea: echo $SHELL |
| 09:47.01 | exalted | /bin/bash |
| 09:47.18 | stainlessmice | tcsh > bash |
| 09:47.25 | Gnea | exalted: Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash |
| 09:47.35 | exalted | Gnea, certainlt i didn't changed it. |
| 09:47.39 | exalted | Gnea, yeah i saw it. |
| 09:47.44 | exalted | dunno why it says like that. |
| 09:48.14 | exalted | Gnea, do you think that it is related to this issue? |
| 09:48.45 | Gnea | exalted: looks like a hardware problem |
| 09:48.49 | stainlessmice | could bash instead of original sh entirely? |
| 09:49.08 | exalted | Gnea, and btw: "sh -> bash" seems to be on my system. |
| 09:49.19 | stainlessmice | o.o |
| 09:49.34 | exalted | a hardware problem Gnea ??? There was none till that last upgrade of mine. |
| 09:49.57 | stainlessmice | maybe... bad ram? |
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| 09:50.05 | stainlessmice | or OC? |
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| 09:50.36 | Gnea | !sig11 |
| 09:50.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 09:50.44 | exalted | yeah sure, they've just fixed a bug about bad rams right, and so mine is not working anymore? |
| 09:50.57 | jonaskoelker | how do I make a package change from state `remaining config' to state `purged'? I tried apt-get remove --purge but it complains that the package (hotplug, in my case) is not installed. |
| 09:51.05 | stainlessmice | hehe |
| 09:51.09 | Reveal | hi guys I need some help ... I'm trying to route a IP to another IP but it ain't working :( I used the example of -> http://linux-ip.net/html/nat-dnat.html .... example 5.7 ... but no luck ... anyone know how I can do this ? |
| 09:51.19 | stainlessmice | gcc is the best ram-tester |
| 09:51.32 | karsten | Reveal: /msg dpkg paster |
| 09:51.36 | jonaskoelker | I don't want to install the package, because it conflicts with some interesting packages (my linux-image, for one), and I might forget to reinstall |
| 09:51.48 | karsten | Reveal: ... then give us your IP, netmask, gateway, and routing. |
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| 09:52.00 | telexicon | whats the command to save my current iptables rules so they are restored upon reboot? |
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| 09:52.10 | exalted | Now, i wonder if i can downgrade all o' those packages, and maybe re-upgrade with new stuff; and prolly this issue is fixed?!?! |
| 09:52.12 | karsten | Reveal: ifconfig and 'route -n' should cover that. |
| 09:52.13 | Gnea | jonaskoelker: dpkg --purge hotplug |
| 09:52.23 | jonaskoelker | telexicon: you may want to have a look at iptables-save and iptables-restore |
| 09:52.32 | telexicon | i did look at those |
| 09:52.45 | Reveal | karsten: ok |
| 09:52.47 | telexicon | it makes a file |
| 09:52.51 | karsten | Is dpkg dead? |
| 09:52.57 | exalted | Can you please give me a place where i can find old version of deb packages and try to install some of'em somehow... |
| 09:53.00 | telexicon | its not somewhere in init? |
| 09:53.06 | telexicon | i mean in the init scripts |
| 09:53.28 | jonaskoelker | Gnea: that did the trick (so it seems). Thanks |
| 09:53.29 | karsten | exalted: There used to be an archive. Old version of what? |
| 09:53.41 | exalted | karsten, of too many packages... |
| 09:53.50 | Reveal | karsten: this is what I have now, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3884 |
| 09:53.52 | exalted | karsten, should downgrade a couple of things |
| 09:53.52 | Gnea | jonaskoelker: :) |
| 09:53.56 | karsten | exalted: Not backports, something else... archive.debian.org. I think it's still dead. |
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| 09:54.00 | jonaskoelker | telexicon: well... You could of course run iptables-save and -restore in your favorite own init script |
| 09:54.12 | karsten | exalted: Explain yourself. |
| 09:54.22 | telexicon | i could |
| 09:54.34 | exalted | karsten, have you followed the discussion of mine above by chance? |
| 09:54.38 | Sambrista | Hi everybody! I've a PII@233Mhz , what should i choose, 486, 586 or 686?? |
| 09:54.39 | karsten | exalted: No. |
| 09:55.02 | azeem | exalted: snapshot.debian.net |
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| 09:55.09 | stainlessmice | Sambrista, 686? |
| 09:55.10 | karsten | exalted: You can specify specific versions of a package to install using aptitude. |
| 09:55.20 | exalted | karsten, Allright. I'm having "Segmentation Fault" on apt, aptitude, synaptic etc. after an upgrade 2-3 weeks ago. I dunno how to solve this, and was thinking desperately to downgrade. |
| 09:55.23 | karsten | exalted: ... likely apt-get as well, but the former is prefered. |
| 09:55.28 | karsten | exalted: Yeah, I read lastlog. |
| 09:55.30 | megaTherion | I've just a very small question: does debian run on a Octane (sgimips / IP30) box? |
| 09:55.32 | Sambrista | stainlessmice: ok thanks, i'll try |
| 09:55.39 | stainlessmice | ........... |
| 09:55.42 | karsten | !arches |
| 09:55.44 | exalted | karsten, I can't use any of apt-such programs. |
| 09:55.51 | karsten | exalted: Right. |
| 09:55.53 | karsten | exalted: Sec |
| 09:56.05 | azeem | exalted: I think apt in unstable is borked |
| 09:56.09 | karsten | megaTherion: Yes. MIPS is a supported architecuture, which you'd know if you read the faq. |
| 09:56.10 | azeem | maybe it got fixed since |
| 09:56.13 | karsten | azeem: That would suck. |
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| 09:56.18 | azeem | APT IS BORKED!!! (#388708) |
| 09:56.23 | exalted | azeem, yeah??? what do you know about it?? |
| 09:56.24 | stainlessmice | (I would choose 586... hehe) |
| 09:56.28 | *** part/#debian jonaskoelker (n=jonas@ip-15-27.bnaa.dk) |
| 09:56.28 | karsten | exalted: debs are tarballs wrapped in an ar archive. |
| 09:56.29 | azeem | (from another chan's /topic) |
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| 09:56.55 | karsten | exalted: You should be able to snarf a fixed apt, un-ar it, then untar the files, effectively installing it. |
| 09:57.08 | exalted | karsten, can't i just use dpkg_ |
| 09:57.14 | karsten | exalted: ... or 'dpkg -i apt-get-.deb' |
| 09:57.18 | karsten | exalted: Right, that too. |
| 09:57.20 | exalted | karsten, yeah... |
| 09:57.34 | exalted | Hope this is only related to apt it self. |
| 09:57.34 | azeem | though that bug isn't about segfaults |
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| 09:57.50 | karsten | exalted: If you know what versions you need, snarf from your friendly mirror, that's what the pool is for. |
| 09:58.05 | karsten | exalted: Is anything else segfaulting? Have you ruled out HW issues? |
| 09:58.25 | exalted | karsten, apt, aptitude, synaptic, apt-index-watcher; andthing else seems to work just fine. |
| 09:58.33 | megaTherion | karsten: ah yes ok I hope also my box - coz mips isnt just all mips but thanks for your kind answer |
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| 09:59.06 | karsten | exalted: OK. Might sneak a memtest86+ check in there just to be sure. |
| 09:59.45 | exalted | azeem, that bug report doesn't seem to be my problem. |
| 09:59.53 | karsten | Reveal: network config looks sane. What's the problem? |
| 10:00.06 | exalted | karsten, any way to do memtest without rebooting the machine? |
| 10:00.14 | azeem | exalted: are you using any anti-hacker stuff like pax or grsec or something? |
| 10:00.16 | Reveal | karsten: it doesn't forward :( |
| 10:00.21 | exalted | azeem, ? |
| 10:00.23 | karsten | exalted: There's an ELF executable as well. Rebooting's recommended. |
| 10:00.26 | azeem | so no |
| 10:00.29 | karsten | Reveal: You going through a NAT box? |
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| 10:00.32 | exalted | azeem, no |
| 10:00.48 | exalted | karsten, i'll back right back after done that test. Results are logged anywhere? |
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| 10:01.04 | JJ|Laptop | Kevin`: the high cpu and mem useage was causing low bw useage |
| 10:01.07 | Reveal | karsten: I'm trying to forward the .183 ip to a external IP ... by DNAT / SNAT |
| 10:01.22 | karsten | exalted: Um. Plan to sleep on it. memtest86+ takes a while, results are *not* logged. |
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| 10:01.38 | exalted | karsten, allrite, i'll be back in a while... |
| 10:01.56 | karsten | exalted: a while == ~8 hours. |
| 10:02.20 | JJ|Laptop | anyone know what getty is? |
| 10:02.22 | karsten | exalted: Basically: if you haven't resolved the issue, and you're taking a break, run memtest. |
| 10:02.25 | karsten | JJ|Laptop: Jim does. |
| 10:02.35 | karsten | JJ|Laptop: "Get TTY" |
| 10:02.40 | exalted | karsten, what are you talking about??? Don't you refer to the test on GRUB's menulist? |
| 10:02.45 | karsten | JJ|Laptop: Where TTY is a teletype machine. |
| 10:02.47 | karsten | exalted: Yes. |
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| 10:03.04 | exalted | karsten, I think i've done that before, it didn't take that long i guess. |
| 10:03.07 | karsten | JJ|Laptop: It's the program responsible for painting a login prompt at your console and taking your username/password. |
| 10:03.15 | exalted | karsten, Lemme see first; if take too much; ill break it and come back. |
| 10:03.29 | karsten | exalted: at least a few hours. My experience is it rarely if ever IDs problems, but it's an easy test. |
| 10:03.37 | karsten | exalted: Right, that's my MO ;-) |
| 10:03.45 | JJ|Laptop | k |
| 10:03.49 | exalted | karsten, brb |
| 10:03.52 | JJ|Laptop | so killing it would be a bad idea... |
| 10:04.01 | karsten | JJ|Laptop: What's your problem/issue? |
| 10:04.08 | JJ|Laptop | but why do i have 6 running... |
| 10:04.11 | karsten | JJ|Laptop: And killing it likely won't work. |
| 10:04.16 | karsten | JJ|Laptop: 6 virtual consoles. |
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| 10:04.31 | karsten | JJ|Laptop: They're started from /etc/inittab. They restart when terminated. |
| 10:04.57 | karsten | JJ|Laptop: So as I said, killing 'em won't do what you expect. |
| 10:05.24 | karsten | JJ|Laptop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_console |
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| 10:07.08 | karsten | JJ|Laptop: You can disable these if you want by editing /etc/inittab and running 'init q'. I'd suggest leaving at least 2, better 4, and unless you've got good reasons for killing any, all 6, running. You're not losing much if any memory worth speaking of. |
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| 10:08.32 | JJ|Laptop | lol |
| 10:09.03 | exalted | karsten, D*man, i don't have memtest option on menulist; ideas how to create it? |
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| 10:10.38 | cydork | exalted: does /boot/memtest86+.bin exist? |
| 10:11.01 | Reveal | karsten: do u have any tips for what I can try more ? :) |
| 10:11.04 | exalted | cydork, nope |
| 10:13.19 | cydork | exalted: you dont have memtest86+ installed then |
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| 10:13.36 | exalted | cydork, yeah i'm going to dl it, thank you. |
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| 10:14.05 | M4DM4X | hi all |
| 10:14.19 | karsten | exalted: Install memtest86+. |
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| 10:14.29 | karsten | exalted: Naturally, this requires a functioning APT ;-) |
| 10:14.45 | karsten | Reveal: Not ATM, too tired. |
| 10:14.52 | cydork | exalted: do you have any livecd which might have it? |
| 10:15.14 | exalted | cydork, not necessary; i've done it, ty anyway. |
| 10:15.25 | M4DM4X | i want to know if it's possible to source a file witch is not on my computer |
| 10:15.33 | M4DM4X | for exemple i make me a personal bash file and put it in my website |
| 10:15.40 | exalted | karsten, brb again! =) |
| 10:15.41 | M4DM4X | i want to know if it's possible to use it without do a wget before |
| 10:15.43 | exalted | cydork, ty again. |
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| 10:18.26 | karsten | M4DM4X: Not if you can't get 'source' to read stdin. So I don't think so. |
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| 10:19.11 | M4DM4X | karsten ok i will continue with my wget and source debore |
| 10:19.13 | ThinkClear | Hi someone here |
| 10:19.14 | M4DM4X | karsten thx |
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| 10:19.53 | karsten | M4DM4X: I'm testing with a 'sourceme' file which exports an environment variable and dog. No dice. |
| 10:20.09 | karsten | M4DM4X: dog --no-header <URL> | source /dev/stdin |
| 10:20.12 | karsten | M4DM4X: ... fails. |
| 10:21.09 | karsten | M4DM4X: ... but 'eval $( dog --no-header <URL> )' works. |
| 10:21.37 | nvz | I've never seen a goofy incantation like that before |
| 10:21.51 | karsten | nvz: thank M4DM4X |
| 10:22.05 | M4DM4X | euh.... hard for me :) |
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| 10:22.45 | ThinkClear | Can someone help me out |
| 10:22.54 | karsten | M4DM4X: that's probably not particularly robust. If you're evaluating stuff within the source script it'll break. Best to copy locally. |
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| 10:22.58 | intercool | dondelelcaro: i found the php5.0-mysqli that was released but it depends on some other packages that does not exist ? how come ? |
| 10:22.59 | karsten | !tell ThinkClear about ask |
| 10:23.14 | exalted | karsten, yeah it seems to get sometime :) |
| 10:24.09 | M4DM4X | karsten ok thx for info |
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| 10:25.27 | etzerd | Hello all |
| 10:25.50 | ThinkClear | i have problem with apache webserver 1.13 im trying to get it on internet , i can only approche on my home network ,sorry for the bad enlish im from the Netherlands |
| 10:26.11 | etzerd | is there anyway easy way to install the DVD driver so I can play commercial DVD |
| 10:26.21 | nvz | ThinkClear: you need to forward port 80 through your nat to the box the server is on |
| 10:26.38 | karsten | !tell etzerd about marillat |
| 10:26.48 | nvz | its a tit bit nipply in here this morning |
| 10:26.52 | etzerd | marilat! |
| 10:27.01 | ThinkClear | nvz already done that port 80 |
| 10:27.03 | etzerd | I don't know about marillat! |
| 10:27.06 | karsten | nvz: don't be a boob. |
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| 10:27.25 | karsten | etzerd: read what dpkg told you |
| 10:27.26 | nvz | ah man I still got whipped cream bikinis on the brain.. I thought sleeping would get me over that |
| 10:27.40 | karsten | nvz: Share. |
| 10:27.44 | nvz | heh |
| 10:27.50 | azeem | in #debian-offtopic, please |
| 10:27.53 | Reveal | could anyone help me with how to forward one IP all ports and protocols to another ? |
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| 10:28.04 | etzerd | karsten:it is illegal? |
| 10:28.14 | karsten | etzerd: Depends on where you are. |
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| 10:28.25 | karsten | etzerd: There are patent restrictions in the US. |
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| 10:28.52 | etzerd | I know, but everybody use it. |
| 10:29.09 | ThinkClear | nvz : i have enter my ip number on my website , by that link to get on my apache server , but on my home network if i enter 10.0.0.1 im in my server |
| 10:29.13 | etzerd | just like Microsoft you have to install third party software to play DVD so Linus |
| 10:29.21 | fs-a | hi, any idea why the clock of the system here goes back an hour after each reboot? tzconfig is set normally. |
| 10:29.32 | tarzeau | fs-a: dual boot? |
| 10:29.36 | karsten | etzerd: Read the f*cking factoid. |
| 10:29.43 | karsten | fs-a: Dual booting windows? |
| 10:29.50 | fs-a | ye |
| 10:30.06 | karsten | fs-a: That's your problem. |
| 10:30.08 | fs-a | but it may also happen without windows |
| 10:30.17 | fs-a | "my problem" |
| 10:30.20 | fs-a | very helpful |
| 10:30.21 | fs-a | bye |
| 10:30.23 | karsten | fs-a: Use ntpd or set your HW clock to _not_ use UTC. |
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| 10:30.55 | karsten | azeem: Stop be before I shoot another tard. |
| 10:31.23 | azeem | stop what? |
| 10:31.31 | karsten | erm. me |
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| 10:31.36 | ThinkClear | NVZ: are you there |
| 10:31.43 | fs-a | karrotx: ah k, got that last one, ill try |
| 10:31.44 | nvz | nope |
| 10:31.54 | nvz | I'm over here |
| 10:32.00 | ThinkClear | oke |
| 10:32.03 | ThinkClear | nvz : i have enter my ip number on my website , by that link to get on my apache server , but on my home network if i enter 10.0.0.1 im in my server |
| 10:32.19 | azeem | fs-a: try to change the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS |
| 10:32.25 | karsten | azeem: tards logging on, naming an issue (vaguely), disconnecting before you can tell 'em how to fix it. |
| 10:32.52 | azeem | karsten: well, you announced you wouldn't help fs-a one minute earlier |
| 10:33.09 | fs-a | azeem: now it's =yes |
| 10:33.09 | azeem | or at least it could've been read that way |
| 10:33.15 | azeem | fs-a: then try no |
| 10:33.19 | fs-a | k |
| 10:33.30 | fs-a | ye whatever, slight misunderstanding, no hard feelings |
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| 10:34.02 | karsten | azeem: "_That's_ your problem" was what was written. "That's _your_ problem" was what was read. |
| 10:34.16 | karsten | azeem: Which is my problem.... Emphasis ambiguous. |
| 10:34.27 | karsten | fs-a: Back? |
| 10:34.40 | karsten | fs-a: Busy channel, I ignore joins/quits. |
| 10:34.48 | azeem | he's still on |
| 10:35.06 | ThinkClear | Karsten: can you help me further , no response from NVZ |
| 10:35.09 | fs-a | karsten: < fs-a> karrotx: ah k, got that last one, ill try |
| 10:35.11 | karsten | fs-a: Either set non-UTC hwclock (man hwclock) or use a time server under Debian (/msg dpkg ntp) |
| 10:35.17 | karsten | fs-a: Good. |
| 10:35.24 | fs-a | karsten: tab went bad:p |
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| 10:35.56 | karsten | fs-a: tab? |
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| 10:36.04 | ThinkClear | karsten : i have enter my ip number on my website , by that link to get on my apache server , but on my home network if i enter 10.0.0.1 im in my server |
| 10:36.05 | fs-a | tab autocompletion of nicknames |
| 10:36.12 | karsten | fs-a: Dig. |
| 10:36.33 | karsten | ThinkClear: Too tired to sort NAT right now, sorry. |
| 10:36.51 | ThinkClear | ow oke no problem |
| 10:37.07 | fs-a | btw, why would the default in rcS be that the system clocks are set in gmt, i havent seen many be |
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| 10:37.22 | karsten | fs-a: That's standard for Unix / Linux. |
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| 10:37.36 | karsten | fs-a: Lots of fun manuals to read if you need to know. |
| 10:37.37 | fs-a | ah k |
| 10:37.50 | karsten | fs-a: MSFT does it differently, natch. |
| 10:38.40 | fs-a | im thinking 'newbie' behavior "would you like gmt or local time?" thinking: "wtf is gmt? click local" |
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| 10:39.52 | me_here | green witch mean time ? |
| 10:40.58 | fs-a | :] |
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| 10:41.45 | beardy | fs-a: Because clocks (rtc:s) on *nix systems should be in UTC. |
| 10:42.22 | beardy | fs-a: Only if you are multibooting the machine the clock should, and needs to be in localtime. |
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| 10:43.22 | bigh25 | Is there a way to search the apt DB by a file name of a file within a package? |
| 10:43.49 | cydork | !tell bigh25 about search |
| 10:43.53 | exalted | karsten, I've upgraded following packages with dpkg: "apt_0.6.46_i386.deb", "libgcc1_4.1.1-14_i386.deb", "libstdc++6_4.1.1-14_i386.deb", "gcc-4.1_4.1.1-14_i386.deb"; but this didn't solve the issue. Then i've figured out that i was using TR repos, and changed'em to IT, and voila it's working! Now switched back to TR repos, but it's working with no problems. I couldn't really figure out how/why it worked, but it works! |
| 10:44.07 | karsten | bigh25: apt-search and auto-apt, of which the latter is faster |
| 10:44.16 | MatBoy | cydork, hehe, not drunk anymore ?? :p |
| 10:44.18 | karsten | exalted: TR? |
| 10:44.22 | bigh25 | karsten: Thanks |
| 10:44.24 | exalted | karsten, Turkey |
| 10:44.37 | karsten | exalted: Hrm. |
| 10:44.38 | exalted | karsten, I was there 3 weeks ago, so i used R repos. |
| 10:44.41 | cydork | MatBoy: that information cannot be disclosed :) |
| 10:44.42 | exalted | R = TR |
| 10:45.05 | beardy | karsten: what about apt-file? |
| 10:45.06 | karsten | exalted: Right. Odd. No need, BTW, to switch repos for short stints. |
| 10:45.12 | karsten | !apt-file |
| 10:45.12 | dpkg | i guess apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
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| 10:45.15 | MatBoy | cydork, :) |
| 10:45.23 | beardy | karsten: Yes, but faster or not? |
| 10:45.32 | karsten | beardy: auto-apt is faster IME. |
| 10:45.34 | exalted | karsten, What do you mean then? Wasn't it to solve it? |
| 10:45.55 | karsten | exalted: Well, you _did_ fix the problem ;-) |
| 10:46.01 | exalted | karsten, seems so... |
| 10:46.09 | karsten | exalted: That said, some country repos break, and if you find one that works, stick with 'em. |
| 10:46.30 | exalted | karsten, But how come that a repo can create Seg. Fault on apt???? |
| 10:46.35 | exalted | ıt weird! |
| 10:46.37 | exalted | It's* |
| 10:46.41 | MatBoy | how can I message another person that logged int by SSH ? |
| 10:46.43 | karsten | exalted: Dunno. |
| 10:46.52 | exalted | karsten, Okay; ty anyway for all your help. |
| 10:46.57 | karsten | MatBoy: talk. write. wall. |
| 10:47.01 | karsten | exalted: NP. |
| 10:47.09 | karsten | MatBoy: ... or install an IRC server. |
| 10:47.15 | MatBoy | karsten, thanks ! |
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| 10:48.18 | plutonas | Hello, I would like to help the debian community, but although I can programm in C, I am not good enough to develop software. Are there other ways that I can help? (I know about bug reporting, I am doing this already, when I need to)... |
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| 10:49.10 | cydork | plutonas: check http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ |
| 10:49.56 | plutonas | cydork: thx |
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| 11:01.47 | nimzo | how can i see a list of latest installed packages? |
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| 11:11.32 | Reveal | dpkg -l |
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| 11:14.49 | karsten | nimzo: if you use aptitude, they're logged in /var/log/aptitude |
| 11:14.54 | karsten | nimzo: If you don't, no dice. |
| 11:15.20 | cydork | nimzo: you can check dpkg log if you dont use aptitude |
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| 11:18.33 | liable_ | in >sarge |
| 11:18.39 | liable_ | !qotd0 |
| 11:18.39 | dpkg | well, qotd143 is <antgel> wireless is for cocks |
| 11:18.41 | nimzo | cydork: i use apt-get, thanks dpkg log was enough |
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| 11:30.17 | MatBoy | why are there so many updates last week(s) for udev on Etch ? |
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| 11:32.15 | Surma_ | Hey, is there any way (maybe a list on the web?) I can find out which packages are going to be installed, if I choose a option in base-config->Install packages? |
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| 11:32.53 | MatBoy | Surma_, with a fresh install ? |
| 11:32.54 | nvz | Surma_: you could choose manual package selection so you can see in aptitude after tasksel |
| 11:33.07 | nvz | Surma_: and you could then add/remove things |
| 11:33.21 | JoEERL | hi , i found strange folder in my /www how can i know whoput that in my server? and when or am i under attack |
| 11:33.25 | Surma_ | @ MatBoy: Yes |
| 11:33.52 | Surma_ | @ nvz: But doeas that tell me, what packages the dekstop-option is going to install? |
| 11:33.55 | ravenbird | Surma_: what are you talking about? |
| 11:34.00 | nvz | JoEERL: heh. use the log.. its over there by the tree |
| 11:34.10 | MatBoy | Surma_, I advise you to install nothing and do it manually after the system is installed |
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| 11:34.49 | JoEERL | nvz in which log i must look? |
| 11:34.49 | Surma_ | @ MatBoy: That's the point! I just want to see a list, what WOULD be installed. |
| 11:34.49 | nvz | by the clue tree that is |
| 11:35.04 | MatBoy | Surma_, why waste time on it ? Debain will install what it needs when you install kde (example) |
| 11:35.08 | nvz | maybe you should climb to the top so you can fall down and hit every branch on it |
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| 11:35.19 | MatBoy | you will get a much clean system this way |
| 11:35.20 | liable_ | Surma_: dont use @ when you address people here, theres no need and its actually one of our bots triggers |
| 11:35.31 | Surma_ | @ ravenbird: I am talking about base-config, which offers to install a lot of standard packages and categorized packages. I just want to know, what category represents what packages |
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| 11:36.01 | liable_ | Surma_: ravenbird is a bot, and you keep triggering it with @ |
| 11:36.05 | nvz | Surma_: first of all ravenbird is a bot, and it responds to @ so please stop talking to ravenbird or using @ |
| 11:36.06 | Surma_ | Oh, sorry |
| 11:36.14 | Surma_ | Didn't realize ;) |
| 11:36.40 | helmut | Hi. Can you tell me how to detect whether a pcmcia card is inserted on unstable? /sys/class/pcmcia_socket/pcmcia_socket0/card_type doesn't change after inserting. |
| 11:36.59 | nvz | Surma_: yeah you were confusing the hell out of that thing |
| 11:37.11 | Surma_ | ;) |
| 11:37.18 | Surma_ | MatBoy: I know, but I want to what Debian puts on my system, _if_ I use that option |
| 11:37.28 | Surma_ | It must be writen down somewhere, right? |
| 11:37.38 | MatBoy | Surma_, you're wasting expensive time ;) |
| 11:37.52 | MatBoy | You always get what you don't want |
| 11:38.12 | Surma_ | MatBoy: I'm a student, I have a lot of time ;) |
| 11:38.23 | Surma_ | MatBoy: That's besides the point. I just wanna know?! |
| 11:38.34 | MatBoy | Surma_, go to a bar and spent timewith woman than :p |
| 11:38.41 | helmut | How can I check whether my pcmcia bridge is working at all? |
| 11:38.49 | nvz | I told you like 20 min ago how to see whats going to be installed |
| 11:38.54 | Surma_ | MatBoy: I'm married -.- |
| 11:39.04 | nvz | as if it wasnt going to show you a list with confirmation anyhow |
| 11:39.36 | Surma_ | @ nvz: That is the bug. He's not even giving me a list, because there some dependency problems |
| 11:39.37 | ravenbird | Surma_: okay |
| 11:39.47 | Surma_ | SOrry, |
| 11:39.50 | Surma_ | old habit :-/ |
| 11:40.02 | nvz | ravenbird: forget nvz: That |
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| 11:40.03 | ravenbird | i forgot nvz: that, nvz |
| 11:40.28 | nvz | @botsnack |
| 11:40.28 | ravenbird | thanks, nvz |
| 11:40.34 | liable_ | i'm surprised that made bot sense.. |
| 11:40.41 | cydork | Surma_: check --task-packages option for tasksel |
| 11:40.51 | Surma_ | Thank you :) |
| 11:40.59 | nvz | liable_: yeah he almost made a hit earlier too |
| 11:41.20 | junio | Hi people, which serving IRC is the Debian? |
| 11:41.28 | zamuro | ??? |
| 11:41.28 | nvz | liable_: then he avoided another using theres instead of there is |
| 11:41.29 | blondie | junio: what? |
| 11:41.50 | junio | blondie, where is the actual DEbian IRC serveR? |
| 11:42.00 | cydork | Surma_: for more info read man tasksel or /usr/share/doc/tasksel/README.gz |
| 11:42.02 | nvz | junio: freenode and oftc both have good debian support |
| 11:42.08 | blondie | here |
| 11:42.17 | liable_ | junio: here, official at irc.oftc.net |
| 11:42.18 | blondie | there's some treacherous oftc one too |
| 11:42.22 | nvz | junio: irc.debian.org points to oftc now |
| 11:42.24 | junio | liable_, thanks. |
| 11:42.25 | blondie | which is for traitors |
| 11:42.32 | nvz | haha |
| 11:42.33 | junio | thanks all! |
| 11:42.33 | cydork | blondie: heh |
| 11:42.39 | nvz | blondie: :) |
| 11:43.08 | Surma_ | Well, thanks, cya |
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| 11:43.14 | liable_ | blondie: not traitors, politicions :) |
| 11:43.22 | nvz | same thing |
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| 11:44.13 | nvz | thesuarus: politician: liar, cheater, traitor .. (+40291 more) |
| 11:44.40 | cydork | :) |
| 11:44.44 | liable_ | well, it was dev politics, i dont want to be as labelling as that.. |
| 11:44.51 | zamuro | Never understood why ppl moved to oftc. |
| 11:45.02 | nvz | why not |
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| 11:45.41 | zamuro | Some unhappy customer wanted to make thing different? |
| 11:45.52 | blondie | to be annoying |
| 11:45.55 | liable_ | nvz: people have a choice to do what they want, its up to them, oftc is a debian thing, so they moved there trainset over |
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| 11:46.15 | liable_ | their.. |
| 11:46.30 | liable_ | time for bed anyway |
| 11:46.36 | nvz | liable_: nice thing about trainsets is the link together and you can run more trains on the track |
| 11:47.10 | nvz | and get more places |
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| 11:50.01 | nvz | damn its chilly out and I dont even got anything warm to wear over here :P |
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| 11:50.22 | cydork | nvz: have some brandy?? |
| 11:50.27 | nvz | heh nope |
| 11:50.33 | pngwn | zamuro, /msg dpkg oftc move |
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| 11:51.09 | cydork | nvz: even rum will do i guess ;) |
| 11:51.25 | nvz | oh well I am dry all I got is a little coca cola |
| 11:51.51 | phogg | nvz: Now THAT sounds like a hit pop song waiting to be written. |
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| 11:53.20 | nvz | 0k christina aguilera then.. she grew up not far from me |
| 11:53.47 | cydork | o.0 |
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| 11:54.21 | nvz | they where the last two big pop dorks of the 90s IIRC |
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| 11:55.32 | nvz | yes thats it |
| 11:56.03 | nvz | now lets all forget about it before we go insane |
| 11:56.21 | cydork | thanks ;) |
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| 12:01.59 | zmo | hi |
| 12:02.12 | zmo | how can I know from what repository comes a given package ? |
| 12:02.34 | dendrite | zmo: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 12:02.41 | zmo | dendrite - thanks ) |
| 12:02.42 | zmo | :) |
| 12:02.56 | zmo | + |
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| 12:13.52 | peterrus | good afternoon everyon |
| 12:13.54 | peterrus | e |
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| 12:14.33 | peterrus | someone knows a tool in eth which does alsmost the same as etherconf did in stable? cuz i need an easy way to configure my network on the fly in the console |
| 12:14.55 | saad3000 | Hello, pppoe-discovery Timeout waiting for PADO Packets. Any ideas? |
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| 12:16.12 | peterrus | saad3000, i have no expirience with ppoe, i gotta say |
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| 12:21.19 | saad3000 | ok |
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| 12:22.21 | peterrus | someone knows a tool in eth which does alsmost the same as etherconf did in stable? because i need an easy way to configure my network on the fly in the console |
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| 12:25.32 | nvz | if you can type you can edit /etc/network/interfaces and there is no faster way |
| 12:26.23 | pitillo | nvz, make a little script instead of change it manually (only a opinion) |
| 12:26.52 | KristianLy | s/nvz/peterrus/ ? |
| 12:27.28 | pitillo | KristianLy, that is for me? |
| 12:27.37 | peterrus | nvz, well i dont find it really handy |
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| 12:27.59 | KristianLy | peterrus: all tools you find will be using that file... |
| 12:28.21 | peterrus | KristianLy, i know, well then i am gonna try it once more, hope i am getting the hang oof it :) |
| 12:28.22 | KristianLy | peterrus: depending on what exactly you need to change fast, you can either just hand-edit that file, or make a script to change it like pitillo suggested |
| 12:28.41 | KristianLy | you do yourself a big favor in understanding that file anyway :) |
| 12:28.46 | peterrus | KristianLy, yeah okey, well i need to use dhcp by default |
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| 12:29.25 | peterrus | KristianLy, you are right :) |
| 12:29.38 | Anthro | Anyone know of a way to convert a .dia (Dia file) to a .fig (xfig file)? |
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| 12:36.09 | apophis_ | hi when i try to install something , sometimes i get error such as segment fault why? |
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| 12:39.05 | KristianLy | apophis_: which version of debian ? |
| 12:39.48 | KristianLy | Segmentation fault, to put it plainly, means the program crashed. This should never happen when installing packages... |
| 12:39.52 | stew | apophis_: if you are getting random segfaults, its likely to be a hardware problem |
| 12:39.58 | KristianLy | indeed |
| 12:40.04 | KristianLy | Check your memory... |
| 12:40.35 | apophis_ | ok |
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| 12:40.35 | apophis_ | thx |
| 12:40.35 | tosh| | anyone played with samba-ldap as a pdc yet? |
| 12:40.36 | wols_ | apophis_: memory, CPU (temperature) and voltages |
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| 12:40.58 | stew | apophis_: /msg dpkg memtest86 |
| 12:41.29 | peterrus | hey, i am making some kind of live cd, which is etch based, and in my x logs i find this: Couldn't open RGB_DB '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb'. the problem is no rgb codes can be used, so all fonts will be black, so fluxbox themes render wrong, and aterm doesnt work, etc etc. is there something i can do |
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| 12:43.02 | stew | peterrus: etch wouldn't have a /usr/X11R6 at all, since it uses X R7, you should ask a channel specific to your distribution |
| 12:43.30 | h0bbel|wrk | any particular things i should be aware of before i install debian on a dual xeon ibm xseries 345? |
| 12:43.40 | peterrus | stew, yeah, well noone knows there, so could editing the rgb path help? |
| 12:44.39 | peterrus | in xorg.conf |
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| 12:47.14 | ThomasPorter | Hi, I have a network question. If I have to routers with ADSL modems in them and I connect both routers to the same phone line then I use a cross-over cable to connect both routers together, if I connect a box to one of the routers where would the internet come from? Both routers right? Is that possable? If one router failed, would it come from one router? |
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| 12:49.16 | nvz | what would be the quickest way to rip a movie file down to an mp3 chances are it probably already has an mp3 audio track I would imagine |
| 12:51.40 | ThomasPorter | That would be illegal |
| 12:52.06 | nvz | what? |
| 12:52.36 | nvz | who the hell are you to say taking an mpeg and making it audio only is illegal exactly? |
| 12:52.55 | Kulrak | ThomasPorter: only if the movie is copyrighted.. and you don't own the copyright.. and the copyright owner says you can't do it |
| 12:54.04 | nvz | ahh I figured it out |
| 12:54.19 | nvz | mplayer -vo null -audiodump <file> |
| 12:54.26 | nvz | rename to mp3 |
| 12:54.38 | wols_ | h0bbel|wrk: don't use the default kernel probably (if it's a very new intel chipset) |
| 12:55.16 | h0bbel|wrk | wols_: the server is a few years old |
| 12:55.27 | nvz | damn 127mb though for like 1hr 20min |
| 12:55.27 | wols_ | then you should be fine with sarge |
| 12:55.40 | h0bbel|wrk | wols_: just make sure i use the SMP kernel? |
| 12:55.44 | kristalino | how to debug bind, when the config file has a problem and when there is nothing relevant in /var/log/syslog |
| 12:55.47 | wols_ | ThomasPorter: you won't acommplish anything with this rube goldberg device |
| 12:55.50 | h0bbel|wrk | and Serveraid drivers are included? |
| 12:55.51 | nvz | I used to have this on audio cd, but now all I had was the hbo special in video |
| 12:56.04 | nvz | that didnt take long at all |
| 12:56.25 | wols_ | you'd want to install a kernel for your CPU anyways in the end, so install kernel doesn't matter. just boot with "linux26" |
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| 12:56.52 | h0bbel|wrk | mmkay. First time i'm looking to install on a dual cpu box, thx wols_ |
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| 12:57.14 | apophis_ | so apt source list has deb and deb-src with the same mirror does deb-src important? |
| 12:57.50 | wols_ | apophis_: yes if you want to get sources |
| 12:57.57 | apophis_ | thx u |
| 12:58.18 | nvz | hah I tried that trick with an asf file and it didnt work |
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| 12:58.30 | nvz | works with mpeg and mp3 audio though |
| 12:58.44 | wols_ | cause mpeg is a standard. asf is not |
| 12:59.18 | nvz | yeah well I am using mpeg instead :P |
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| 13:04.35 | perlmonkey | afternoon all |
| 13:05.08 | perlmonkey | I'm trying to locate a debian package for a perl module GD::Colour? which seems to be missing/throwing error "Can't locate GD/Colour.pm" |
| 13:05.43 | abrotman | perlmonkey: apt-file search Colour.pm |
| 13:06.00 | perlmonkey | thanks |
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| 13:06.57 | p3rti | hi.. |
| 13:07.27 | tolecnal | Colour.pm isn't packed with either of the GD packages in Debian, as far as I know |
| 13:07.36 | perlmonkey | damnit |
| 13:07.40 | perlmonkey | any idea why? |
| 13:07.47 | p3rti | i have a little question.. i need space on my hd the directory proc has 516MB used.. how can i reduce and what files are better to delete? |
| 13:08.01 | tolecnal | you'd have to ask the GD package maintainer(s) about that perlmonkey :) |
| 13:08.08 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 13:08.12 | wols_ | p3rti: you cannot delete /proc files since they aren't files |
| 13:08.36 | wols_ | or at least not files on disk |
| 13:08.44 | p3rti | wols_, so the proc directory it's like system directory when all devices are charge? |
| 13:08.58 | wols_ | if the space is only temporarily needed you could delete old logs in /var/log (.gz) |
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| 13:09.12 | wols_ | proc is basically a window into your kernel |
| 13:09.27 | wols_ | e.g if it's 512MB it is likely your amount of memory, right? |
| 13:09.39 | p3rti | wols_, yes.. |
| 13:09.43 | wols_ | look into /tmp |
| 13:09.45 | p3rti | wols_, ohhh.. thanks.. i'm cleaning but i need more and more.. |
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| 13:09.53 | cydork | p3rti: proc is not a real file system :) |
| 13:09.58 | p3rti | wols_, i will aptitude --purge remove some apps.. |
| 13:10.08 | p3rti | cydork, ok. thanks a lot! |
| 13:10.09 | wols_ | look into debfoster and deborphan. use aptitude from now on ínstead of apt |
| 13:10.18 | wols_ | clean your apt archive |
| 13:10.26 | p3rti | wols_, yes.. aptitude its better :) |
| 13:10.33 | wols_ | cydork: it's a filesystem! just not on disk :P |
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| 13:11.09 | wols_ | p3rti: have you cleaned your apt archive? |
| 13:11.25 | p3rti | wols_, yes :) |
| 13:11.38 | cydork | wols_: well it's psuedo file system :) |
| 13:11.47 | p3rti | wols_, i clean a lot of things. like > 30 MB folders on my home directory |
| 13:12.17 | wols_ | hard to say from afar where you could still save some |
| 13:12.40 | p3rti | 3,7G usr |
| 13:12.43 | p3rti | :S |
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| 13:15.33 | stew | hrm, when i run screen inside schroot, i get "Must be connected to a terminal". Does anyone know a workaround? |
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| 13:19.32 | plb | long live the iceweasel? ;] |
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| 13:24.30 | yacc | Just wondering, does anyone where know if DUN needs the provider password or not. |
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| 13:26.06 | wols_ | yacc: reformulate the question |
| 13:26.39 | wols_ | if your provider gave you a password to log on, you must use it. they wouldn't have given it to you otherwise |
| 13:26.48 | wols_ | please also say what type of connection you have |
| 13:26.51 | perlmonkey | I'm getting "connection refused" when attempting to connect to ftp servers (any). Probably a firewall issue? Running shorewall. Any ideas? |
| 13:27.12 | perlmonkey | I can connect to ftp server on my own LAN ok |
| 13:27.51 | cydork | stew: tried mounting devpts ? |
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| 13:28.17 | wols_ | perlmonkey: sounds like it |
| 13:29.05 | stew | cydork: yeah, it's bind mounted at boot |
| 13:29.26 | perlmonkey | aye, I checked the logs and ftp client is trying to accept requests on dynamically assigned ports |
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| 13:31.03 | wols_ | perlmonkey: do a telnet to port 21 of the ftp |
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| 13:33.47 | stew | cydork: ahh. it wasn't |
| 13:33.50 | stew | cydork: thanks |
| 13:34.22 | cydork | stew: great :) |
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| 13:35.53 | Alexismoy | Which basic graphical driver can I use for my laptop? |
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| 13:36.56 | stew | Alexismoy: what video chipset does it have? |
| 13:37.02 | Alexismoy | A driver that is sur it works for everything |
| 13:37.12 | Alexismoy | it's a ATI, but that doesn't work well |
| 13:37.13 | stew | Alexismoy: "vesa" should always work |
| 13:37.17 | Alexismoy | ok |
| 13:37.19 | Alexismoy | thx |
| 13:37.25 | stew | Alexismoy: why doesn't the "ati" driver work? |
| 13:37.54 | Alexismoy | when I switch between screens (alt+f1, alt+f2, etc...), screen freeze |
| 13:38.01 | Alexismoy | "ati" and "fglrx" drivers doesn't work |
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| 13:38.27 | stew | Alexismoy: which specific chipset does it have? |
| 13:39.05 | Alexismoy | RADEON XPRESS 200M |
| 13:39.16 | stew | ahh, something very new |
| 13:39.37 | Alexismoy | on a HP dv5000 -_- <= not well supported I'v read |
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| 13:41.55 | Alexismoy | so I hope that vesa will work |
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| 13:42.05 | daveyb | I am using this kernel 2.6.16-2-686 and trying to install NDISWRAPPER on my kernel using apt-get install module-assistant and then module-assistant auto-install ndiswrapper, I get a bluescreen warning me about my kernel source and then I get a logfile full of stuff I have uploaded it to: http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste. PLEASE can someone help |
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| 13:42.25 | stew | daveyb: have you run m-a prepare? |
| 13:42.59 | stew | daveyb: give us the actual url to the paste (it should end with a number) |
| 13:43.33 | daveyb | Sorry: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3885 |
| 13:43.40 | daveyb | and stew yes I have still errors out |
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| 13:46.13 | h0bbel|wrk | hrm |
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| 13:49.35 | stew | peterrus: please turn that off in here |
| 13:50.02 | daveyb | stew, any ideas: |
| 13:50.11 | stew | daveyb: what version of ndiswrapper-source are you using? |
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| 13:50.33 | stew | daveyb: the version from stable? |
| 13:50.43 | stew | daveyb: you might try getting and installing ndiswrapper-source from testing from http://packages.debian.org/ndiswrapper-source |
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| 13:53.33 | daveyb | stew, I don't know |
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| 13:55.49 | daveyb | stew, just tried installing it from the site, getting the same errors |
| 13:55.57 | daveyb | Sorry: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 13:56.06 | MatBoy | will it still be possible to do a apt-get install mozilla-firefox in the future ? Or will this be totally banned ? |
| 13:56.13 | daveyb | I think I need my kernel source, how do i install that? |
| 13:56.47 | perlmonkey | where the hell is the GD::Graph::colour module gone on CPAN? |
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| 13:57.51 | daveyb | This is the error i get after dpkg -i ndiswrapper-source_1.1-4_all.deb : http://channels.debian.net/paste/3886 |
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| 14:02.25 | ma3x | has anybody heard of the usb resets? |
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| 14:02.44 | ma3x | like you have your externlan hd and it starts reseting after a couple of days |
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| 14:04.15 | Alexismoy | someone has got a good Howto to setup wireless with wpasupplicant? |
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| 14:05.06 | Eclipser | my etch wpa_supplicant started to segfault on its startup... probably a new kernel for which I haven't compiled madwifi which then doesn't load |
| 14:05.13 | Eclipser | shouldn't segfault though... |
| 14:06.00 | Eclipser | it kind of sucked because I didn't have ethernet cable access for a long time and I couldn't get to download the new kernel headers so that I could recompile madwifi |
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| 14:08.33 | Alexismoy | kernel: bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available of load failed. |
| 14:09.10 | Alexismoy | kernel: bcm43xx: set_interfmode allowed parameters are: 0 => None, 1 => Non-WLAN, 2 => WLAN, 3 => Auto-WLAN |
| 14:09.25 | wols_ | Alexismoy: what dbian are you running? |
| 14:09.38 | Alexismoy | testing |
| 14:10.14 | wols_ | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7949 |
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| 14:11.32 | Alexismoy | thx |
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| 14:19.42 | Alexismoy | well, that works for the driver |
| 14:19.52 | Alexismoy | now I need to configure the network :] |
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| 14:24.36 | DanIG | hello all! |
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| 14:25.06 | FernandoMM | Could someone tell me a software to split an avi into little avi (i have a show and want to split all music into separate avi)? |
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| 14:26.50 | amphi | FernandoMM: avisplit(1) perhaps |
| 14:27.50 | FernandoMM | amphi: thanks |
| 14:27.52 | amphi | FernandoMM: it's in the transcode package |
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| 14:28.55 | amee2k | if i have the command.com, io.sys and msdos.sys, how can i create a bootable DOS floppy from linux with these files? |
| 14:28.57 | MatBoy | someone having problems with the last thunderbird upgrade on Etch ? I can't add any addresses anymore to a reply-to email... even the from address is not showed |
| 14:30.10 | MatBoy | mhh, thunderbird needed a restart |
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| 14:31.52 | Yamaraj | Hello World! |
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| 14:33.15 | aubergine | Hi how can i generate a counter for all numbers between 0 and 100 to stdout? 1 2 3 4 .... |
| 14:33.32 | nvz | aubergine: seq 0 100 |
| 14:33.34 | cydork | aubergine: man seq |
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| 14:33.46 | Yamaraj | I'm installing Etch on my laptop with LUKS/LVM disk encryption. HDD is 80GB, of which around 75GB is usable. How should I layout partitions for a development machine? I'm planning to have /boot, /, /home, /tmp, /usr, /var and swap. RAM is 1280MB in total. |
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| 14:34.25 | SlayerXP | Yamaraj: make a nice small / partition of a gig or so, LVM the rest |
| 14:34.46 | Bhavesh | that was dumb |
| 14:34.50 | Bhavesh | me on here twice |
| 14:34.52 | SlayerXP | Yamaraj: then you can dynamically grow, shrink and move your various mount points as your needs chnage |
| 14:35.08 | nvz | Bhavesh: being dumb isnt all that bad |
| 14:35.09 | Yamaraj | SlayerXP: Everything falls under dm-crypt/LVM except /boot. |
| 14:35.22 | phogg | it's damn hard to dynamically shrink /var without going single user |
| 14:35.23 | Bhavesh | nvz: i guess i could call it 'smart' for knowing that i was on twice :) |
| 14:35.50 | Bhavesh | if i can get my hands on another 200G hdd.. i could setup a software raid on my machine :) |
| 14:35.58 | rorr | ½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½¼&½½¼½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½½<¼&P¼¼qw |
| 14:36.02 | cydork | wtf? |
| 14:36.10 | nvz | Bhavesh: for example.. it can get you out of having responsibilities at work.. and playing dumb is also works in relationships |
| 14:36.41 | nvz | then before you know it you both know everything and you can predict each others every move, and it gets old |
| 14:36.54 | cydork | nvz: like how ? you dont have to break up? :P |
| 14:37.11 | nvz | na I am not talking about being downright stupid |
| 14:37.19 | Yamaraj | Any help on partition size allocation, people? |
| 14:37.22 | nvz | just playing around |
| 14:37.34 | SlayerXP | Yamaraj: it's LVM, you can grow it later |
| 14:37.44 | SlayerXP | Yamaraj: just make some sensible estimates to start with |
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| 14:38.05 | Yamaraj | SlayerXP: Sure. But I want to start with ....exactly - sensible sizes. |
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| 14:39.03 | SlayerXP | Yamaraj: well, does 10Mb seem a sensible starting size for /home ? |
| 14:39.09 | Yamaraj | Swap must be x2, since I'll have suspend to RAM. |
| 14:39.16 | Yamaraj | lol 10MB. |
| 14:39.26 | nvz | I can never tell how much pasta is gonna fit in my little sauce pan |
| 14:39.29 | SlayerXP | Yamaraj: okay, so does 75Gb seem a sensible starting size for /home ? |
| 14:39.50 | nvz | before you know its swelled right up on you |
| 14:39.50 | phogg | Yamaraj: only you can know how much space you will need where, and even you can only guess about the future |
| 14:40.03 | cydork | nvz: me neither :P |
| 14:40.04 | elif | hi, Do anybody know if there is a package in debian for the pine mail program, I already look using some obvious name like pine, but didn't find. |
| 14:40.15 | SlayerXP | Yamaraj: in other words, you're pretty sure that there's a suitable size somewhere between 10Mb and 75Gb |
| 14:40.19 | cydork | !pine |
| 14:40.20 | dpkg | pine: a non-DFSG-free (read: evil!) POP3, IMAP, and USENET reader; modified binaries are illegal to distribute. Alternatives include elm, mutt, spruce, sylpheed, balsa, and many other FREE readers. binaries are not included in Debian because of licensing problems. To get pine debs: apt-get -b source pine (or pine4) or if you just want pico, ask about "nano", or there MAY be additional help in #pine |
| 14:40.20 | phogg | elif: no |
| 14:40.23 | cydork | elif: ^^ |
| 14:40.27 | SlayerXP | Yamaraj: the only person who can call that is you |
| 14:40.36 | nvz | cydork: yeah but thats understandable.. cause you never even seen my saucepan ;P |
| 14:40.56 | cydork | nvz: why? wha't different about it? |
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| 14:41.08 | Yamaraj | Correct! But I've no idea what size /var and /tmp should be on a laptop. I surely won't be running a file/web server here. |
| 14:41.15 | E-bola | How do i see what hardware device an eth1 is mapped to? |
| 14:41.17 | cydork | elif: you have to get the deb source |
| 14:41.23 | elif | dpkg: thks. |
| 14:41.26 | nvz | cydork: nothing, you just couldnt guess how much pasta to put in it cause you never seen it before |
| 14:41.38 | cydork | hehe |
| 14:41.59 | wols_ | E-bola: dmesg should show |
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| 14:42.33 | phogg | Yamaraj: if you're compiling large things make /tmp pretty large. If it's a desktop system it can be pretty small. I recommend using LVM and a gig or two for each partition then sizing up as necessary |
| 14:42.47 | elif | cydork: you mean to set the source.list? |
| 14:43.03 | Yamaraj | phogg: That's what I was thinking. 2 or 3GB each for var and tmp. |
| 14:43.16 | cydork | elif: yep |
| 14:43.17 | Bhavesh | oh my machine i keep 1G for Tmp |
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| 14:43.35 | Bhavesh | 2GB for / |
| 14:43.36 | phogg | Bhavesh: try compiling X or Mozilla or something |
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| 14:43.53 | Bhavesh | phogg: i don't that's why i can get away with 1GB |
| 14:43.54 | perlmonkey | i feel so dumb |
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| 14:43.59 | nvz | I stopped using lvm cause I was to simple to figure out how to actually manipulate it and resize my filesystems so it was only providing me theorhetical features |
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| 14:44.29 | nvz | not to mention I wasnt sure how I'd go about breaking down an lvm if I got another machine later and needed one of the hds for it |
| 14:44.52 | Bhavesh | nvz: probably backup - repartition - restore |
| 14:45.22 | Bhavesh | phogg: if i need to i can always use my $HOME/tmp to compile.. i have 64G of space there |
| 14:45.38 | Bhavesh | or use a second hdd as /tmp space temporarily :) |
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| 14:48.27 | Bhavesh | what does "APIC error on CPU1: 40(40)" mean? |
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| 14:48.52 | Yamaraj | 10GB for /usr should be more than enough. |
| 14:48.52 | phogg | Bhavesh: not sure, but when I see that I use the noapic kernel option |
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| 14:49.24 | charminthemoose | how do i remove xdm? |
| 14:49.35 | wols_ | apt-get remove xdm how else? |
| 14:49.36 | phogg | Yamaraj: My /usr/ is > 30G |
| 14:49.41 | Bhavesh | phogg: i don't see anything seriously wrong with the machine.. i see that msg for both CPU's copule of times |
| 14:49.53 | Bhavesh | wols_: may be he means from starting up? |
| 14:49.57 | cydork | phogg: over >30 gb?? any special reason? |
| 14:50.10 | wols_ | Bhavesh: if he removes it via apt-get there is nothing to start... |
| 14:50.21 | Bhavesh | probably b/c he compiles all of his programs and keeps sources uner /usr/src |
| 14:50.26 | Yamaraj | phogg: Do you - apt-get install The_Whole_World? |
| 14:50.29 | Bhavesh | wols_: good point.. i have to remove xdm/gdm too |
| 14:50.36 | amee2k | if i have the command.com, io.sys and msdos.sys, how can i create a bootable DOS floppy from linux with these files? |
| 14:50.38 | phogg | cydork: most of it is /usr/local/ and is game data |
| 14:50.46 | phogg | Yamaraj: yes, that too |
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| 14:52.01 | wols_ | amee2k: dosemu perhaps. or just download freedos http://www.freedos.org/freedos/files/ |
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| 14:52.26 | amee2k | i was hoping for a way to script it |
| 14:52.39 | wols_ | amee2k: the trouble is the bootsector |
| 14:52.57 | amee2k | and i already had a look at freedos but they say it can't run win-3.11 so freedos is out |
| 14:53.04 | wols_ | a bootfloppy is in the following way: first file is io.sys then msdos.sys then command.com |
| 14:53.10 | tarzeau | amee2k: try ms-sys |
| 14:54.08 | tarzeau | wols_: not sure if command.com is REALLY needed |
| 14:54.16 | wols_ | tarzeau: I am |
| 14:54.25 | amee2k | tarzeau: ty |
| 14:54.28 | nvz | it is if you want to do something useful |
| 14:54.33 | nvz | like issue commands |
| 14:54.35 | wols_ | unless you don't want to run any programs... well you maybe could start something via config.sys |
| 14:54.44 | amee2k | how do i get the io.sys and msdos.sys right then? |
| 14:54.46 | phogg | nvz: is it necessary or will any shell work? |
| 14:54.50 | tarzeau | wols_: that's what i meant |
| 14:54.54 | wols_ | amee2k: format floppy. copy io.sys |
| 14:54.57 | wols_ | then copy msdos.sys |
| 14:55.06 | tarzeau | wols_: the order matters? |
| 14:55.15 | amee2k | the boot sector will read the vfat filesystem? |
| 14:55.23 | nvz | phogg: i've never had any other shell that ran on dos |
| 14:55.30 | tarzeau | nvz: they exist |
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| 14:55.34 | wols_ | tarzeau: yes. all the bootrecord does is to load X sectors after the FAT. which happens to be io.sys |
| 14:55.36 | phogg | nvz: 4dos was one, there were a bunch in the 80s |
| 14:55.46 | amee2k | nvz: wikipedia has a list of some that were popular |
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| 14:55.49 | tarzeau | wols_: funny |
| 14:56.07 | phogg | wols_: please tell me you're joking |
| 14:56.14 | wols_ | phogg: why? |
| 14:56.34 | phogg | wols_: because that's horrifying |
| 14:56.47 | wols_ | at least older DOS versions worked that way. not much you can do in a 512bytes bootsector |
| 14:56.49 | DanIG | Hi I have a problem with the power down, my box doesn't switch off anymore I just get the message power down. |
| 14:56.50 | amee2k | wols_: which is only true if i copy io.sys as the first file right after formatting it? |
| 14:56.56 | wols_ | amee2k: yes |
| 14:57.09 | amee2k | ty. i'll try |
| 14:57.11 | wols_ | phogg: how do you think lilo and grub work? |
| 14:57.18 | tarzeau | wols_: well GRUB is special |
| 14:57.25 | phogg | wols_: grub is smarter than that |
| 14:57.36 | wols_ | maybe grub is, but my BIOS and bootsectors are not |
| 14:57.37 | amee2k | grub only chainloads DOS iirc |
| 14:57.39 | tarzeau | phogg: depends which part of GRUB we're talking about |
| 14:57.52 | amee2k | i need a working DOS boot sector and stuff anyway |
| 14:57.53 | wols_ | and they're loading grub |
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| 14:58.08 | phogg | tarzeau: true. I guess up until the boot menu it's all pretty dumb. |
| 14:58.10 | wols_ | phogg: how do you propose grub loades from the initial MBR? |
| 14:58.45 | phogg | wols_: I really hadn't thought about it. |
| 14:58.51 | DanIG | I have purged apmd and reinstalled it because I thought I just messed up the standard configuration, but it still doesn't work. |
| 14:58.59 | amee2k | grub-install hardcodes a blocklist into the bootsector iirc |
| 14:59.25 | amee2k | you can see it in the output when installing grub manually |
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| 15:01.01 | DanIG | okay, I forgot to put it in the modules... sorry for the stupid question |
| 15:01.47 | charminthemoose | i have my xfree86 configuration file to use 1024x786 but it defaults to 640x740.why? |
| 15:02.33 | Bhavesh | charminthemoose: in your XF86Config-4 file make sure you have 'DefaultDepth' section that matches with the 1024x768 resolution depth |
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| 15:02.59 | Bhavesh | meaning if you have 1024x768 set for 16 bit color depth, make sure you have a DefaultDepth 16 in XF86config file |
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| 15:03.28 | wols | can anyone tell me if bug http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?11610 is fixed in screen? or: how to recover when accidentally pressing ctrl+s in it? |
| 15:04.00 | blondie | press ctrl-q |
| 15:04.09 | brownie17 | how can i fix the following error when i try to open a video file in MPLAYER = "error initialising the selected video_out (-vo) device." |
| 15:04.20 | wols | brownie17: thanks |
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| 15:05.48 | Bhavesh | on ctrl-s/q software flow control |
| 15:06.53 | stew | wols: you can disable flow control in a normal shell bu running "stty -ixon" (or putting that in .bashrc) or in screen by putting "bind s" and "bind ^s" in .screenrc |
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| 15:07.09 | elif | Hi all again, another question now, I'm trying to install a latex package, the readme instruct me to modify the makefile putting the TDS (Tex directory struture) into a variable, but I don't know exactly What directory is this TDS in my Tetex installation, could anybody help me with this again? thks |
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| 15:08.24 | linlin | how do i reconfigure exim4 on my debian system? |
| 15:08.34 | blondie | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 15:08.37 | blondie | iirc |
| 15:08.47 | linlin | thankyou |
| 15:09.10 | charminthemoose | still no joy.... |
| 15:09.25 | Yamaraj | Which of the two is better with dm-crypt - yaird or initramfs-tools? Beta3 installer has both as options. |
| 15:09.25 | brownie17 | wols, thanks? did you meed to say that to me!? |
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| 15:09.55 | elif | besides, I installed my tetex just normal, with the apt tools. |
| 15:10.27 | stew | Yamaraj: yaird appears to be dead upstream. initrafs-tools is preferred but it requires udev and somepeople are against udev |
| 15:10.29 | mortal5 | hi all, I was wondering if anyone knows of a good c++ bittorrent program for linux? |
| 15:10.40 | stew | mortal5: rtorrent |
| 15:11.13 | mortal5 | k, jotting that down, any others? |
| 15:11.21 | Yamaraj | stew: Well, if yaird is dead I'll avoid it. |
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| 15:11.38 | elif | mortal5: I tryied this one ctorrent, but it still a bit unstable. |
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| 15:13.40 | Yamaraj | Not many distributions offer disk encryption at install time. Beta3 installer is great. |
| 15:14.04 | r3m | why on windows my clock have always the right time but not on debian gnu linux, i need to ntpdate once a week |
| 15:14.29 | stew | Yamaraj: oh if you are running the etch installer, i don't know if there is a way to avoid udev anyway |
| 15:14.36 | Bhavesh | r3m: may be you should setup ntpd to automatically correct itself once a week like windows does |
| 15:14.50 | stew | r3m: /msg dpkg ntp |
| 15:14.58 | r3m | thx |
| 15:14.58 | Yamaraj | stew: I'm not avoiding udev anyway. It's the future. |
| 15:15.07 | stew | word |
| 15:15.25 | Bhavesh | i saw 'steward' when stew said 'word' ;) |
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| 15:15.43 | stew | pid |
| 15:15.51 | nvz | Bhavesh: yeah I typed stew the other night when I was trying to type stfu |
| 15:15.57 | Bhavesh | hahaha |
| 15:16.02 | r3m | Bhavesh oh yes? i can setup ntpd to automatically correct it? or i need to use a crontab |
| 15:16.12 | Bhavesh | r3m: it should work automatically |
| 15:16.20 | nvz | Bhavesh: must have fat-fingered the tab-key and after so many years of speed reading classes I looked and seen the right number of chars and kept going |
| 15:16.38 | r3m | Bhavesh how please, i need to correct it my self |
| 15:16.41 | Bhavesh | !tell r3m about ntp |
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| 15:17.25 | mortal5 | so stew this rtorrent, it's the best lightwieght bt client you've found? |
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| 15:17.37 | Bhavesh | nvz: someone sent me an email with bunch of gibberish but it funny that you can actually read the sentense even though the letters of the worlds are out of order only the first and last letters are correct |
| 15:17.43 | nvz | the most effective technique is pace, but recognizing words by size and eliminiating small words when you read helps a lot too but it sacrifices comprehension if your brain fills in the wrong word for one your eyes skip over |
| 15:17.44 | ChrisW | anyone ever heard of spam gateways which block domains which have 4 nameservers? |
| 15:18.07 | stew | mortal5: yes |
| 15:18.32 | ma3x | hey what's the type name of the dvd/cd combo reader/writer for laptop |
| 15:18.37 | debianos | Hello everybody...i am a member of greek comunity Debian NP(non-profit) |
| 15:18.46 | ma3x | for eg. for HD it's 2,5" |
| 15:18.51 | ma3x | what is it for cd/dvd roms? |
| 15:18.52 | nvz | I found after taking speed reading classes a commercial app called EyeQ which is very effective at pace training and works out your eye mucles.. my reading speed nearly doubled each time I used it |
| 15:18.52 | mortal5 | stew ty, I've been using azureus because it has safepeer, but I found this peerguardian like program called mo-something |
| 15:19.07 | Anarka | moblock |
| 15:19.07 | nvz | I'd like to make a free version of EyeQ some day.. |
| 15:19.17 | nvz | I'm a believer |
| 15:19.19 | Yamaraj | Great! LUKS dm-crypt is working alright. |
| 15:19.31 | cydork | !prize Yamaraj |
| 15:19.36 | Yamaraj | I now have a fully encrypted and secure system. |
| 15:19.38 | Bhavesh | nvz: that sounds like a great software |
| 15:19.54 | Bhavesh | Yamaraj: what type of server/ws are you running? is it personal computer or publicly availble? |
| 15:20.10 | nvz | Bhavesh: its a very simple program you just watch objects move across the screen like a screen saver. it trains your eyes to keep pace |
| 15:20.11 | Yamaraj | Bhavesh: It's my lovely ThinkPad. ;-) |
| 15:20.22 | mortal5 | Yamaraj, so you encrypted all your partitions? |
| 15:20.31 | Bhavesh | Yamaraj: sounds like a good idea to have encrypted file system then :) |
| 15:20.45 | Bhavesh | Yamaraj: so there *IS* usage for encrypted file system :) |
| 15:20.48 | nvz | Bhavesh: I'd imagine for other languages with different reading patterns you may have to make some adjustments.. |
| 15:21.20 | Bhavesh | nvz: like arabic which reads from right to left |
| 15:21.39 | Yamaraj | mortal5: Yes, except /boot. |
| 15:21.51 | nvz | Bhavesh: the program trains your eye movement so I would imagine it would be counter-productive for a language like that |
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| 15:22.17 | Yamaraj | Disk encryption is good for laptops with sensitive data (or pr0n). :-P |
| 15:22.25 | Bhavesh | nvz: exactly for that you would need to train your eye from different direciton .. you would probably slow down if you trained yourself for english and read arabic :) |
| 15:22.33 | Bhavesh | Yamaraj: mostly Pr0n :) |
| 15:22.40 | mortal5 | Yamaraj, I have my home dir encrypted |
| 15:22.55 | ChrisW | is there any way to check how long the TTL for a DNS record has been set to? |
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| 15:23.28 | mortal5 | Do you think that posses a risk? Just encrypting /home? |
| 15:23.43 | abrotman | ChrisW: dig sohuld do it |
| 15:23.50 | Bhavesh | hola abrotman |
| 15:23.53 | abrotman | hi |
| 15:24.19 | ChrisW | abrotman: hurm, where in dig's output? |
| 15:24.38 | abrotman | man dig .. i think you have to use an option |
| 15:24.41 | abrotman | (or ask #dns) |
| 15:25.09 | wols | google.com. 142 IN A 64.233.167.99 |
| 15:25.11 | Yamaraj | mortal5: Encrypted /home should be enough for most. Full disk encryption is for paranoids. |
| 15:25.11 | wols | 142 is their TTL |
| 15:25.22 | wols | Yamaraj: /var/mail... |
| 15:25.37 | wols | swap too |
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| 15:25.47 | Yamaraj | Yup. |
| 15:25.56 | Skrot | Hi. Anyone know what do if I'm going to reinstall distrubution, but keep LVM-setup? |
| 15:26.02 | abrotman | wols: i thought there was an option to get a more complete record .. oh well |
| 15:26.42 | mortal5 | I didn't think about swap |
| 15:26.45 | wols | abrotman: there probably is. dig has a metric ton of options. but this is the TTL |
| 15:26.51 | mortal5 | that's rarely used though |
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| 15:27.01 | Daveman | abrotman, enjoying your mortality today? |
| 15:27.08 | ChrisW | cool, didn't know that channel existed, thanks |
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| 15:27.15 | abrotman | Daveman: too much beer! |
| 15:27.27 | Daveman | :\ |
| 15:27.33 | Daveman | I'll take that as a yes |
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| 15:30.05 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 15:30.07 | Bhavesh | hi |
| 15:30.20 | DaBlade | Does anyone know if the kernel has support for this webcam?: |
| 15:30.25 | Bhavesh | abrotman: mind if i ask what do you do ? or you are retired? :) |
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| 15:30.52 | mortal5 | stew, have you ever ran moblock? |
| 15:31.01 | stew | mortal5: never heard of it |
| 15:31.05 | abrotman | Bhavesh: i sell puppies to local chinese restaurants |
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| 15:31.17 | mortal5 | it's basically peerguardian for linux |
| 15:31.28 | DaBlade | eMPIA Technology, Inc. 2710 SilverCrest WebCam |
| 15:31.29 | pickcoder | abrotman: that's korean |
| 15:31.30 | stew | mortal5: i don't know what peerguardian is |
| 15:31.38 | Bhavesh | abrotman: that's a booming business now a days isn't it? |
| 15:31.39 | abrotman | Bhavesh: i'm an admin/developer |
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| 15:32.02 | abrotman | i'm the developer when there's too much work for the rest to handle |
| 15:32.05 | mortal5 | :) it blocks ips of unsavory people |
| 15:32.08 | abrotman | erm .. im a developer :) |
| 15:32.18 | mortal5 | abrotman, what do you develop? |
| 15:32.25 | abrotman | and today .. since everyone is on vacation or at a client .. i'm *the* developer :) |
| 15:32.26 | Bhavesh | abrotman: i am trying to get a job as sys admin, but since i do not have experience with some things i may have to take a JR sys adm position |
| 15:32.28 | anabain | where must I place the flash-plugin for mozilla-firefox? |
| 15:32.33 | Bhavesh | abrotman: congrats :) |
| 15:32.43 | abrotman | mortal5: the most ridiculous language you can possibly imagine |
| 15:32.48 | Yamaraj | abrotman: Yeah. We all know you're not James Bond. ;-) |
| 15:32.52 | abrotman | Bhavesh: good place to start |
| 15:32.57 | stew | mortal5: what makes them unsavory? |
| 15:33.05 | abrotman | no pepper? |
| 15:33.07 | Bhavesh | anabain: how about firefox/plugin directory? |
| 15:33.21 | Bhavesh | abrotman: had an interview tuesday for that position |
| 15:33.26 | abrotman | anabain: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ or something like that |
| 15:33.30 | abrotman | Bhavesh: good luck! |
| 15:33.30 | mortal5 | stew, their tendency to pursue civil action :p |
| 15:33.34 | pickcoder | abrotman: don't lie.. You telecommute and watch TV while the meter is running. |
| 15:33.34 | piper69_ | good morning guys |
| 15:33.37 | pickcoder | :P |
| 15:33.47 | abrotman | pickcoder: i'd love to be a telecommuting admin ... |
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| 15:33.59 | mortal5 | no, he chat's on irc |
| 15:34.04 | mortal5 | *chats |
| 15:34.04 | Bhavesh | abrotman: thank you.. that was one of the first reponse i got for throwing out like not so professional resume |
| 15:34.06 | pickcoder | that's an oxy-moron tho |
| 15:34.13 | abrotman | Bhavesh: hehe |
| 15:34.14 | piper69_ | abrotman: how are you buddy i hope everything is going well with u |
| 15:34.23 | abrotman | hi |
| 15:34.38 | Bhavesh | abrotman: sent out like 6 resumes in hurry because wife was nagging me |
| 15:34.41 | abrotman | nice intentional 'u' :) |
| 15:34.47 | abrotman | Bhavesh: with good reason! |
| 15:35.05 | Bhavesh | wonder what would happend if i actually made the resume more professional and try harder to find a job |
| 15:35.34 | piper69_ | so guys they told me at work that they have setup an internet monitoring to see who logs where, well they be able to see this linux box? and monitor my activites? |
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| 15:36.19 | abrotman | piper69_: yes |
| 15:36.23 | cydork | piper69_: yes |
| 15:36.34 | abrotman | Bhavesh: it would make the wife happy |
| 15:36.44 | piper69_ | is there is a way to bypass that |
| 15:36.53 | Ronin | ya dont surf from a work machine |
| 15:37.26 | piper69_ | what is i have my personal |
| 15:37.29 | Bhavesh | i am torn between leaving this job to run my own business for a couple of months AND then finding a job, or just find another job |
| 15:37.33 | Ronin | not on the work netowrk its not |
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| 15:38.33 | piper69_ | oh thats sad i will not be able to talk to you guys then |
| 15:39.03 | Ronin | piper69_: remember its the companies network, doesnt matter if you have your personel laptop on it, what you do on the network is thier concern |
| 15:39.37 | piper69_ | good bye will talk to from home |
| 15:39.43 | piper69_ | later |
| 15:39.56 | cydork | huh? |
| 15:40.29 | anabain | I've copied the flash files to firefox/plugins but the browser keeps asking for installing this new version of flash... any ideas? |
| 15:41.05 | Bhavesh | anabain: it is possible that the version of linux flash player is not as uptodate as windows side |
| 15:41.06 | cydork | anabain: coz it's asking for flash 8?? |
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| 15:41.21 | anabain | there is any updating registry or so needed? In that case, how can I force it? |
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| 15:42.01 | anabain | cydork, maybe this, then. The version required info is not shown... |
| 15:42.10 | anabain | thanx anyway |
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| 15:43.02 | wols | anabain: is your flash plugin shown in about:plugins? |
| 15:45.11 | anabain | wols, is this in the help menu, or where? |
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| 15:45.32 | cydork | anabain: type about:config in the address bar |
| 15:45.49 | cydork | s/config/plugins/ |
| 15:45.52 | cydork | damn |
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| 15:47.07 | anabain | what must I seek? I'm in about:config |
| 15:47.44 | Bhavesh | no about:plugin |
| 15:47.47 | Bhavesh | no about:plugins |
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| 15:49.57 | mortal5 | guys, how big is a minimal debian install? |
| 15:50.03 | anabain | Bhavesh, it seems I have two shockwave flashes, one 7.0 r25 and the other 7.0 r68 |
| 15:50.04 | mortal5 | like, the default min install |
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| 15:50.47 | abrotman | mortal5: 250MB-ish |
| 15:51.04 | mortal5 | abrotman, thx |
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| 15:51.16 | abrotman | mortal5: you might be able to make it smaller after install |
| 15:51.32 | mortal5 | also, I need to get it "real time" though i dunno if yall can help w that |
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| 15:52.19 | Bhavesh | abrotman: on my firewall without any compilers, and just base system it USED to be 75MB ( no X, no KDE/gnome0 |
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| 15:52.33 | abrotman | Bhavesh: but you had to remove packages? |
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| 15:53.09 | Bhavesh | abrotman: nope.. i didn't remove anything.. i stopped as soon as the base install was done. and did not add any more packages ( except less, hdparm) |
| 15:53.17 | Aque0s | hey everyone |
| 15:54.05 | abrotman | Bhavesh: eh .. i thought it was more .. oh well |
| 15:54.09 | Vasistha | g'day all. I'm trying to figure out how I should be properly compiling my kernel here. I previously did it with a --revision flag, but now, if I don't do a "clean", I have to keep feeding it the same revision flag! Thus a couple questions... |
| 15:54.21 | Anarka | install localpurge so it removes unnecessary locales |
| 15:54.45 | Vasistha | ...what's the difference between make-kpkg clean, and make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot clean ? |
| 15:54.45 | Bhavesh | abrotman: it may have gotten bigger since then.. i haven't done that in about 2-3 years |
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| 15:55.43 | kakarot | hi, can anybody say me where can i find the official apt repositories list in www.debian.org |
| 15:55.47 | kakarot | ?? |
| 15:55.55 | Vasistha | !mirrors |
| 15:55.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 15:55.58 | mortal5 | I guess dsl would be ideal if you're worried about size |
| 15:56.02 | Bhavesh | slackware was the first distro i installed on like 15 floppies downloaded from the internet, on 386/25 with 8MB ram |
| 15:56.21 | Bhavesh | of course as soon as i installed it, and tried to reboot, corrupted the fs and i had to reinstall it |
| 15:56.25 | Vasistha | kakarot: you probably want debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 15:56.36 | mortal5 | i love slackware, but I gota say, apt-get is pulling me away... |
| 15:56.38 | stew | mortal5: i was recently able to make a working x install on a 512 mb usb key, but it was very minimal and very tight on space |
| 15:56.46 | maddog75 | hi. a mate has corrupted his partition table. it had a single ext2 partition across the whole drive. is it possible to rebuild the partition table and restore the partiton? |
| 15:57.15 | Vasistha | maddog75: parted might be of help ... it has a rescue/recover operation |
| 15:57.36 | Heston | maddog75, yes, just remake the partition but dont format it |
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| 15:57.55 | maddog75 | HESTON: thx, i think i need to get the laptop and play with parted etc. |
| 15:58.01 | Anarka | testdisk is also nice to revoer partitions |
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| 15:58.06 | Anarka | recover |
| 15:58.06 | kakarot | Vasistha thanks |
| 15:58.10 | maddog75 | Vasistha: thx |
| 15:58.14 | Heston | maddog75, fdisk works fine |
| 15:58.23 | maddog75 | k |
| 15:59.17 | amee2k | okay,i wrote this script follwing an example on the ms-sys man page: http://h0x.net/p/?x=142 - however the resulting BOOT2.IMG does not boot (locks up with black screen when "starting MS-DOS..." should appear) what did i do wrong? |
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| 16:00.51 | daveyb | I am trying install a bin file using fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin for some reason my debian box doesn't know the commands "fakeroot" "make-jpkg" how do i sort this out? |
| 16:00.53 | Bhavesh | amee2k: how did you copy the image to disk? |
| 16:01.08 | Bhavesh | daveyb: install fakeroot |
| 16:01.12 | debianos | hyyy..i need help to open a private chat room please |
| 16:01.30 | amee2k | i used vmware and a virtual floppy drive |
| 16:01.50 | debianos | what can i do? |
| 16:01.51 | pipeline | daveyb: install fakeroot and java-package |
| 16:01.55 | Vasistha | debianos: this isn't exactly the freenode support channel ... ask in #freenode-social |
| 16:01.57 | pipeline | daveyb: However, you don't need to do that anymore. |
| 16:02.01 | amee2k | debianos: on IRCß just "join /whatever" |
| 16:02.03 | pipeline | daveyb: Sun java is packaged for unstable. |
| 16:02.24 | daveyb | java-packages doesn't work come back saying not known :/ |
| 16:02.24 | pipeline | daveyb: use http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html to mix unstable packages into an etch system |
| 16:02.32 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 16:02.41 | amee2k | erm, lol "/join #whatever" |
| 16:02.54 | amee2k | braino |
| 16:03.16 | amee2k | any ideas why it doesn't boot? |
| 16:03.37 | Aque0s | help plz |
| 16:03.39 | Aque0s | ok |
| 16:03.43 | Bhavesh | amee2k: when it created *.img file.. what did you do with it? |
| 16:04.13 | Vasistha | Aque0s: as far as I can tell, you haven't even asked a question ... thus how can we help? |
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| 16:04.27 | Aque0s | ok Vasistha |
| 16:04.36 | Aque0s | when it asks for what u wana install |
| 16:04.42 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 16:04.43 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 16:04.43 | Aque0s | it say webserver |
| 16:04.47 | amee2k | create new vmware machine only with a floppy drive, use BOOT2.IMG as image, boot it, press ESC for boot menu, select floppy drive, enter, lockup |
| 16:04.50 | Aque0s | what does that mean? |
| 16:05.03 | daveyb | pipeline, Package java-package is not available, but is referred to by another package. his may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, oris only available from another source <-- thats the error i get when installing java=package |
| 16:05.06 | amee2k | i can screenshot the config if that helps |
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| 16:05.43 | cydork | daveyb: do you have contrib in your sources.list? |
| 16:05.44 | Vasistha | amee2k: honestly, you might get better help in, e.g. #vmware |
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| 16:05.48 | pipeline | daveyb: Like I said, USE THE PACKAGES FROM UNSTABLE |
| 16:05.56 | pipeline | amee2k: What the hell are you doing with floppies? |
| 16:05.59 | Aque0s | ok... what doesd webserver mean... i was planning on using apache.... but anyhow is there better? |
| 16:05.59 | sonofapreacher | where is the best place to stick a iptables.sh type of file on startup? |
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| 16:06.21 | pipeline | sonofapreacher: /etc/init.d, then use sysv-rc-conf to create the appropriate symlinks in your desired runlevels. |
| 16:06.29 | amee2k | well, an image ripped from a DOS SYS made floppy works so its not really a vmware issue |
| 16:06.32 | Vasistha | Aque0s: I believe apache is the default webserver, so if you say yes to that, I believe it will install apache for you. Not sure if it's apache 1 or 2, though. |
| 16:06.36 | daveyb | cydork, how do i add contrib to the source.list? |
| 16:06.40 | pipeline | Aque0s: Apache 2.0 is the standard web server for the whole fucking planet. |
| 16:06.43 | abrotman | !contrib |
| 16:06.43 | dpkg | i guess contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'non-free contrib' on the end. |
| 16:06.54 | pipeline | Aque0s: When in doubt, apache 2.0 with the "prefork" mpm is rarely a bad choice. |
| 16:06.58 | Aque0s | thx alot |
| 16:07.05 | amee2k | sonofapreacher: i keep mine in /etc/iptab.sh |
| 16:07.22 | pipeline | amee2k: That's not LSB compliant. |
| 16:07.52 | amee2k | pipeline: what isn't? and what the f* is LSB? |
| 16:07.54 | abrotman | sonofapreacher: how about in /etc/init.d/ .. then use a softlink from the correct runlevel ? |
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| 16:08.37 | amee2k | well, i use a custom format that is parsed by a perl script and that is called from a script in /etc/init.d |
| 16:08.55 | pipeline | amee2k: If you don't know, I'm just going to place you on /ignore and not fucking deal with it. |
| 16:09.07 | cydork | !lsb |
| 16:09.07 | dpkg | [lsb] The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/, or very incomplete |
| 16:09.15 | Spec | I've got the package: libpq4 8.1.4-6 installed on my debian-testing machine. I was wondering how I could tell if it was compiled with a certain option ("--with-thread-safety") |
| 16:09.36 | cydork | Spec: get the source check the debian/rules :P |
| 16:09.41 | amee2k | sry |
| 16:09.42 | Spec | yeah, i was about to |
| 16:09.48 | Spec | was wondering if there was any other way |
| 16:09.49 | limpio | hi all i did a 'apt-cache show gdm' and gave the following numbers: 'Installed-Size: 9592' is that in bytes? down below it gives me another number: 'Size: 3144008' is that in bytes? why the discrepancy in numbers? is the second figure 3 MB?? |
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| 16:09.58 | amee2k | but i'm quite on 180 now |
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| 16:12.17 | mith | are there any rsync mirrors for security.debian.org? |
| 16:12.21 | stew | limpio: the download size is ~ 3MB and the installed size is ~ 9mb |
| 16:12.37 | Vasistha | what's the difference between make-kpkg clean, and make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot clean ? |
| 16:12.37 | stew | mith: i think ftp.de.debian.org |
| 16:12.54 | limpio | stew, thanks bud! |
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| 16:13.08 | stew | !info gdm sarge |
| 16:13.12 | dpkg | gdm: (GNOME Display Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.6.0.8-1sarge2 (sarge), Packaged size: 3070 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
| 16:13.24 | stew | yeah ^^ |
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| 16:17.05 | ^Timo^ | Hi |
| 16:17.19 | ^Timo^ | how are you guys |
| 16:17.31 | ^Timo^ | does someone have a'n howto for qmail on debian |
| 16:17.32 | stew | we are all ecstatic |
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| 16:18.05 | wols | ^Timo^: any reason why you won't use postfix or exim? |
| 16:18.18 | ^Timo^ | is saw on www.gmailrocks.org that's hard for newbies to install qmail |
| 16:18.32 | ^Timo^ | does somebody got a'n good howto for qmail on debian |
| 16:18.32 | ^Timo^ | ? |
| 16:18.35 | Bhavesh | i am so happy i can't wait |
| 16:18.38 | Bhavesh | hmm for whatever :) |
| 16:18.38 | Ronin | ^Timo^: its harder then apt-get but you will learn how to install and run it thats for sure |
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| 16:19.21 | Bhavesh | Ronin: how many hours/mins/sec to go? |
| 16:19.22 | Bhavesh | :) |
| 16:19.36 | Ronin | 3 hours, 10 minutes |
| 16:19.38 | wols | if Gmailrocks.org which do you want to install Qmail again? |
| 16:19.49 | wols | Ronin: idling quitter then? |
| 16:19.58 | Ronin | wols: good govt employee after all |
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| 16:20.27 | Ronin | ^Timo^: if you want qmail and i think thats an excellent choice :) search on shupp and qmailtoaster as well as life with qmail |
| 16:20.29 | ^Timo^ | ok ronin |
| 16:20.38 | ^Timo^ | is the howto on www.qmailrocks.org oke? |
| 16:20.39 | stew | Ronin: you woork for a good govt? |
| 16:20.52 | ^Timo^ | i'm quiet a newbie |
| 16:20.53 | ^Timo^ | ;p |
| 16:20.57 | Ronin | however that being said postfix and exim also have excellent reps as a mtas |
| 16:21.11 | Ronin | stew: heh there such a thing anywhere? |
| 16:21.21 | stew | ^Timo^: why do you want qmail? You might have an easier time if you use a MTA that is actually in debian? |
| 16:21.45 | pipeline | ^Timo^: Christ. DJB is a shithead, and his software reflects this design methodology. |
| 16:21.58 | pipeline | ^Timo^: Use an MTA not written by mountain trolls, and you'll be better off for it. |
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| 16:22.00 | stew | pipeline: no reason for namecalling |
| 16:22.09 | ^Timo^ | which one do i suppose to use on debian |
| 16:22.11 | ^Timo^ | exim4 |
| 16:22.11 | ^Timo^ | ? |
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| 16:22.16 | Ronin | pipeline: djb is diffuctult but its still good software |
| 16:22.21 | pipeline | stew: It's more a statement of fact. DJB is human. DJB speaks and writes english well. DJB is a collosal ass. |
| 16:22.23 | Ronin | damn that wasn't even close to correct spelling |
| 16:22.29 | deadcat | isnt this how you merge dvd data? groisofs -M /dev/dvd -R -J blah.iso blah2.iso ? i get this error: mkisofs: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/fd/3'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 16:22.44 | hoarycripple | i'm getting repeated kernel panics with sarge (linux 2.6.8-3) and growisofs when trying to burn a dvd. i am not using ide-scsi and I searched for references to this problem without any luck. would dvdrecord fare any better? any ideas? |
| 16:22.46 | wols | pipeline: while I agree about the presonality of djb and his license is onerous, qmail is a perfectly fine (if no need anymore) MTA |
| 16:24.36 | stew | DiamonD: postfix and exim4 are the more popular choices, there is also courier and sendmail. if you do decide to use qmail, you should probably start with the qmail-src package which is in non-free (/msg dpkg non-free) which should help you build qmail, (/usr/share/doc/qmail-src/README.Debian should contain further instructions on that) |
| 16:24.50 | stew | pipeline: whether you think it is a fact or not, its not necessary here |
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| 16:24.53 | iter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:25.12 | iter | this product sucks the peanuts out of my shit |
| 16:25.18 | ratatosk | When running an athlon, should i use the 686 or k7 kernel? |
| 16:25.32 | stew | ratatosk: k7 |
| 16:25.37 | ratatosk | stew: thanks |
| 16:25.41 | Ronin | DiamonD: if you do go qmail check out those 2 urls i posted, its not using apt-get but they are certainly good reading |
| 16:26.03 | Ronin | beer and money |
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| 16:26.49 | stew | Ronin: at my last actual job before i started consulting, i had an agreement with my bosses that anytime i had to install windows, i would be drinking company supplied beer |
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| 16:26.59 | Anarka | lol |
| 16:27.07 | wols | how much money and what more than indows base install? |
| 16:27.21 | Anarka | so when the windows box had problems "well... he was drunk when he installed it" |
| 16:27.37 | Ronin | wols: how much will it take? ;) one ghost dvd and entrust (encryption) software |
| 16:27.42 | stew | nah, when the windows box had problems, "see, we should have installed linux" :) |
| 16:27.43 | Ronin | im just to damn lazy today to do it |
| 16:27.57 | wols | it's windows, so LOTS of money :) |
| 16:28.02 | DiamonD | ok which one is good for more then 2 domains so a multi mail server |
| 16:28.09 | Ronin | DiamonD: any of them |
| 16:28.17 | DiamonD | ok |
| 16:28.17 | iter | qmail |
| 16:28.18 | DiamonD | :) |
| 16:28.23 | wols | while it installs you can mostly do something else tho. and just sometimes look and press a button |
| 16:28.32 | Ronin | on the bright side this user cant tell the difference between log off and lock the computer |
| 16:28.45 | wols | DiamonD: workaround.org, ISPmail for sarge |
| 16:29.18 | wols | Ronin: then don't install outlook or IE, for your own sanity |
| 16:29.41 | Ronin | wols: i wish, guess what our standard is for email client? ack |
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| 16:30.17 | quintin | hm |
| 16:30.20 | Ronin | and it defaults to html mail as well |
| 16:30.22 | quintin | where is my c drive on linux?!?! |
| 16:31.11 | wols | quintin: exact same place as in your MSDOS setup |
| 16:31.29 | Anarka | almost |
| 16:31.29 | quintin | ooooh I FIND IT |
| 16:31.32 | quintin | .wine |
| 16:31.35 | quintin | instead of ~/c |
| 16:31.45 | quintin | crazy bastards keep changing stuff |
| 16:32.09 | obseleron | lol @ quintin |
| 16:32.15 | pwned | hi, I have nvidia-glx-dev installed and this provides libgl-dev. There's an opengl based development library package and it depends on mesa-common-dev because it provides libgl-dev, but that removes my nvidia-glx-dev and I don't want that, what shall I do? |
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| 16:32.53 | valdyn | pwned: does not make sense what you are saying |
| 16:33.16 | pwned | well if nothing I said makes sense, I give up. |
| 16:33.18 | valdyn | pwned: which debian release, which error exactly |
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| 16:33.39 | quintin | #ubuntu sux |
| 16:33.44 | valdyn | pwned: and which opengl based development library exactly? |
| 16:34.18 | pwned | sid, libguichan0-dev is the package, it removes nvidia-glx-dev while it doesn't iis the unwanted behavior. |
| 16:34.30 | pipeline | iter: Take photos. |
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| 16:34.39 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 16:35.08 | pwned | removes nvidia-glx-dev while it doesn't *have to* |
| 16:35.24 | pwned | because it prefers mesa packages |
| 16:35.46 | valdyn | pwned: why do you think it doesnt have to? |
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| 16:36.07 | pwned | valdyn: it just needs the virtual libgl-dev which is provided by both |
| 16:36.14 | valdyn | pwned: umm no |
| 16:36.27 | valdyn | pwned: depends on xlibmesa-gl-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10) |
| 16:36.46 | quintin | Has anyone here watched the Debian Linux CBT videos? and if so what do you think of them? |
| 16:36.54 | pwned | okay. I think that's not neccessary. Because I can get it to work with nvidia-glx-dev just fine. |
| 16:37.06 | valdyn | pwned: file a bug report |
| 16:37.34 | valdyn | pwned: but the dev might disagree still, if he can. Or why must you link against nvidia-glx specifically? |
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| 16:38.35 | niruana | hi all |
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| 16:38.47 | niruana | i cant get my samba configured... |
| 16:38.57 | niruana | i followed this tut: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/samba.htm |
| 16:39.04 | DiamonD | so the best mail server for linux should be exim4 |
| 16:39.07 | valdyn | pwned: resulting binary would be identical or only run on nvidia-glx, which wouldn't be ideal i guess |
| 16:39.20 | DiamonD | i saw that's exim4 included default in debian |
| 16:39.31 | niruana | when i try to browse to the server it asks a pasw |
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| 16:39.45 | cureless | DiamonD: the MTA you use is a personal choice |
| 16:39.45 | niruana | i enter a username and pasw i made in the smb.conf file |
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| 16:40.05 | pwned | valdyn: I don't want it to be removed unneccessarily when developing. I use nvidia's specific shader language for other projects. It would just add to the headache to create another bootstrap system |
| 16:40.08 | niruana | but I cant get in |
| 16:40.21 | valdyn | pwned: i see |
| 16:40.28 | pwned | valdyn: I think I'm just going to get it as source, change the dependency and compile and install |
| 16:40.57 | valdyn | pwned: grab the source for your library debian package and modify the depends manually before you build it, and file a bug.. |
| 16:40.59 | wols | niruana: there is no password in smb.conf |
| 16:41.15 | pwned | valdyn: wow great idea. I should have come up with that. |
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| 16:41.39 | wols | niruana: man smbpasswd |
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| 16:43.51 | Detox_at_Work | hello I can isntall the new kernel *(.18) from a deb file by dpkg -i right? |
| 16:44.04 | Detox_at_Work | then edit menu.lst? |
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| 16:44.31 | Bhavesh | it you install from *.deb it may have put it there already |
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| 16:44.58 | niruana | so it must work when i just type no pasw wols ? |
| 16:45.13 | Detox_at_Work | ok so I have the right idea then? if it does not place in menu.lst I jsut edit it and it should work |
| 16:46.55 | Bhavesh | Detox_at_Work: look at the menu.lst it may already be there |
| 16:47.15 | Detox_at_Work | thanks |
| 16:48.15 | Bhavesh | you are welcome |
| 16:49.33 | pwned | well this works. For now. But iirc there are more libraries out there which don't look for "provides", instead set mesa gl dev as hard dependency |
| 16:49.49 | pwned | sets* |
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| 16:52.00 | sonofapreacher | i have 283 days uptime on one of my debian servers |
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| 16:53.56 | Anarka | sonofapreacher ups ? |
| 16:54.16 | sonofapreacher | it's in a datacenter |
| 16:54.24 | Anarka | ahhh |
| 16:54.40 | Anarka | i had 403(or something) days without UPS ;) |
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| 16:55.32 | sonofapreacher | heh |
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| 16:56.47 | Anarka | http://anarka.org/mrtg/uptime-yearly.png |
| 16:56.58 | Anarka | power eventually failed |
| 16:57.46 | Bhavesh | dang :) |
| 16:57.50 | Bhavesh | very nice :) |
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| 16:58.36 | Anarka | but it was interesting to see that sometimes there were a glitch in power supply that could turn off recent boxes |
| 16:58.43 | Anarka | but it didnt affect that old one |
| 16:58.53 | Anarka | a pentium@200 |
| 16:59.27 | jelly | Anarka: that's where redundant power supplies (on separate power lines and ups) come into play. |
| 16:59.44 | Anarka | jelly yeah i know |
| 17:00.01 | stew | i kept losing drives off raid arrays until i replaced my ups with a newer one |
| 17:00.05 | Anarka | but... the older box was more resistent to power glitches than newer ones |
| 17:00.18 | niruana | crap how do i give a user permision to write, edit on a samba server? |
| 17:00.29 | Bhavesh | the older machines couldn't tell power went out for longer time then newer machines |
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| 17:00.43 | niruana | writeable=yes is in the config, but doenst do mush |
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| 17:01.11 | Anarka | that p@200 had a lot of problems with drives at one time, after 3 drives i realized that i laid my mobile phone to close to the box |
| 17:01.38 | Anarka | i started laying the phone on the opposite side of the desk and... no more dead drives |
| 17:01.58 | Bhavesh | Anarka: that is very strange.. i have laied two cell phones close to my computers and never had problems |
| 17:02.17 | Anarka | Bhavesh welll they were older drives |
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| 17:02.32 | Anarka | maybe the newer ones have better protection |
| 17:03.46 | Bhavesh | Anarka: it is possible.. but i never did have problemwith older hard drives.. there is a 6GB hdd that i still use, and i have seen a 40GB hdd go bad twice |
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| 17:04.21 | roberts | <3 Debian |
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| 17:07.11 | quintin | wtf |
| 17:07.24 | quintin | my wifi just quit working after switching to static ip then back to DHCP |
| 17:07.26 | quintin | wtf? :( |
| 17:07.45 | quintin | omg and now it works |
| 17:07.46 | quintin | crazy |
| 17:08.15 | MatBoy | Can someone tell me what the name will be of the "new" Debian-FF ? |
| 17:08.34 | Anarka | FF ? |
| 17:09.11 | MatBoy | Anarka, FireFox |
| 17:09.33 | Anarka | humm dont understand your question then |
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| 17:09.44 | DaBlade | quintin: Watched that video last night? |
| 17:09.59 | Anarka | you are talking about onde upon a time ff was called phoenix ? |
| 17:10.03 | quintin | DaBlade: yesh |
| 17:10.14 | DaBlade | quintin: And what do you think |
| 17:10.15 | DaBlade | ? |
| 17:10.32 | quintin | DaBlade: it was very professionally done |
| 17:10.42 | quintin | didn't realy tell you anything. just a fancy video |
| 17:10.43 | DaBlade | quintin: Yeah, I know, but about the content. |
| 17:10.46 | cahoot | MatBoy: firechicken? |
| 17:10.57 | DaBlade | quintin: It explained the concept of TC |
| 17:11.09 | quintin | yea a little |
| 17:11.15 | MatBoy | cahoot, FireCatWithDogLooking is better I think |
| 17:11.20 | quintin | what was with that guy's accent? where was he from? |
| 17:11.41 | MatBoy | *Lookigin=Looks |
| 17:11.56 | DaBlade | quintin: How should I know? :P |
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| 17:18.25 | MatBoy | Bu I point to the discussion that FF can not be implemented into Debian without the logo... what application is FF at this moment than without the FF logo ? |
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| 17:19.17 | blondie | MatBoy: Firefox. |
| 17:19.36 | MatBoy | blondie, huh ? but what is wrong with that than ? |
| 17:19.39 | blondie | it's all a load of bloodyminded nonsene |
| 17:19.44 | blondie | +s |
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| 17:19.57 | blondie | MatBoy: stubborn people and lawyers are the problme ;) |
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| 17:20.04 | MatBoy | blondie, so, FF should also not be installed on Windows-Machines ? |
| 17:20.13 | blondie | what? |
| 17:20.16 | MatBoy | blondie, blow them away :) |
| 17:20.36 | zinx | MatBoy: the logo isn't redistributable |
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| 17:20.43 | zinx | MatBoy: the application itself is |
| 17:20.44 | MatBoy | But what about Thunderbird ? there not spoken about that... I'm confused |
| 17:20.59 | zinx | MatBoy: i don't know about thunderbird's logo |
| 17:21.00 | MatBoy | zinx, but Debain didn;t like that |
| 17:21.24 | zinx | ya well, debian people are nutter |
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| 17:21.36 | MatBoy | zinx, but it's all marketing for free !!! dub guys there |
| 17:21.40 | MatBoy | dumb |
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| 17:23.00 | abrotman | MatBoy: there are plenty of threads about this issue |
| 17:23.22 | MatBoy | abrotman, yeah I just read one, I thought.. it's better to ask here :) |
| 17:23.56 | abrotman | probably not really |
| 17:24.02 | MatBoy | abrotman, I never knew that and OpenSource project would be doing that difficult about their product in anotherOS |
| 17:24.20 | MatBoy | abrotman, that is your opinion ;) |
| 17:24.25 | abrotman | !dfsg |
| 17:24.25 | dpkg | it has been said that dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 17:24.41 | abrotman | MatBoy: there aren't that many people here with intimate knowledge of the issue |
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| 17:24.54 | MatBoy | abrotman, this are not guidlines, this is madness |
| 17:24.59 | MatBoy | guidelines |
| 17:25.16 | MatBoy | abrotman, I hoped there were some |
| 17:26.03 | abrotman | MatBoy: those 'guidelines' govern what debian can and cannot distribute (along with the author's license) |
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| 17:26.50 | MatBoy | abrotman, ah OK, bit that is going out from Debian, but Mozilla is complaining now. So that's confusing me. I will read there some things |
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| 17:27.01 | sineer | hi! |
| 17:27.01 | MatBoy | bit/but |
| 17:27.04 | quintin | what do I do to setup sshd and have it start on boot? |
| 17:27.26 | sineer | I'm running apt-mirror package and I mirror the entire etch i386 dist (25G!) |
| 17:27.33 | abrotman | MatBoy: they don't like that we ship FF without the FF logo .. but we can't ship the FF logo because of the restrictive license on the logo |
| 17:27.35 | MatBoy | quintin, just install ssh |
| 17:27.40 | Braindead | quintin: aptitude install ssh ,that's it |
| 17:27.46 | quintin | yea sure |
| 17:27.51 | sineer | I'd like to remove some unused packages and add new one in my local debian mirror... |
| 17:27.51 | quintin | but the daemon is not running |
| 17:27.54 | abrotman | or openssh-server |
| 17:27.58 | abrotman | quintin: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
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| 17:28.03 | quintin | ahh yes |
| 17:28.07 | quintin | I was doing dpk --reconfigure |
| 17:28.08 | quintin | thnx |
| 17:28.15 | sineer | Anyone knows how an app/script that will let me manage a local mirror (the Packages files...) ? |
| 17:28.28 | MatBoy | abrotman, but that is with a default install ? or when you apt-get install it after the installation of Debian ? |
| 17:29.12 | quintin | sshd should really be on by default :P |
| 17:29.23 | MatBoy | quintin, it is normally |
| 17:29.24 | Braindead | quintin: it is indeed |
| 17:29.45 | quintin | when did that happen? |
| 17:29.50 | quintin | blah balh no open ports debian is super etc |
| 17:29.53 | quintin | what happened to that? ^^ |
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| 17:30.13 | MatBoy | quintin, huh ? |
| 17:30.16 | Braindead | quintin: there's a nice update-rc-d ssh defaults in postinst. dunno what you screwed up after the install |
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| 17:30.35 | MatBoy | quintin, just reinstall ssh |
| 17:30.40 | quintin | it's going now |
| 17:30.53 | MatBoy | ok ! |
| 17:31.23 | sineer | anyone knows an How to manage a debian mirror (the content of the Packages.gz file) ? |
| 17:31.30 | stew | sineer: /msg dpkg repository |
| 17:31.59 | quintin | anyone here use skype on debian? |
| 17:32.06 | MatBoy | quintin, I do ! |
| 17:32.22 | sineer | stew Thanks! |
| 17:32.51 | stew | sineer: also look at the apt-ftparchive package (don't know if that howto covers it) |
| 17:33.02 | MatBoy | quintin, deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free |
| 17:33.05 | quintin | MatBoy: does it work? I get "call failed" whenever I try to answer ....... |
| 17:33.16 | quintin | MatBoy: I installed the version from skype.com any difference ? |
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| 17:33.19 | MatBoy | quintin, works perfectly here ! |
| 17:33.33 | quintin | MatBoy: :\ |
| 17:33.36 | abrotman | quintin: not really |
| 17:33.59 | abrotman | quintin: which version of debian ? |
| 17:34.03 | quintin | the one I downloaded yesterday |
| 17:34.06 | quintin | :) |
| 17:34.07 | MatBoy | quintin, I had that too once... I never call with it |
| 17:34.14 | abrotman | quintin: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 17:34.19 | quintin | MatBoy: happens when I try to answer cals |
| 17:34.21 | MatBoy | quintin, My Soundcard is not in the preferences there |
| 17:34.38 | jelly | MatBoy: the 1.3.0.37 beta has support for alsa, last time I tried the one in the repository worked only if you had OSS (or OSS emulation) and wanted exclusive access to the sound device. |
| 17:34.42 | MatBoy | quintin, yes, I had that on my laptop... it was only for me possible to call I thought... was 1 year ago |
| 17:34.54 | abrotman | quintin: what does that say when you run it ? |
| 17:34.56 | MatBoy | jelly, thanks ! |
| 17:35.18 | MatBoy | jelly, is there a source for it ? |
| 17:35.54 | MatBoy | quintin, but it was annoying indeed... I alsways had to discard a call and call them back... |
| 17:36.35 | jelly | MatBoy: no. www.skype.com -> download -> skype for linux -> skype for linux 1.3 beta is somewhere in the middle of the screen. |
| 17:36.44 | abrotman | quintin: ? |
| 17:36.57 | MatBoy | jelly, indeed I see it.. I like apt-get install too much I think :) |
| 17:37.17 | jelly | MatBoy: make your own repo. if you like it that much. :-P |
| 17:37.24 | MatBoy | jelly, hehe |
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| 17:38.18 | jelly | MatBoy: it's really easy to create a local repository in a directory. |
| 17:38.39 | MatBoy | huhu, does the downloadmanager of Firefox already cache the package when you have not said that you want to save it somewhere... 9,8 MB in 1 sec |
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| 17:38.56 | MatBoy | jelly, I think I will read about that... a very good idea !! |
| 17:39.08 | MatBoy | jelly, alsmost the same a the cdrom-drive |
| 17:39.11 | MatBoy | -s |
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| 17:39.32 | tam | whats a good opensource calendar sharing web app? i'm not wanting to go groupware.. |
| 17:39.38 | Trewas | MatBoy: it starts the download while it displays the save-dialog |
| 17:39.50 | MatBoy | Trewas, aha :) |
| 17:40.01 | MatBoy | Trewas, never saw it before |
| 17:40.10 | Trewas | so for a small file it can say quite ridiculous speeds :) |
| 17:40.11 | MatBoy | or noticed it |
| 17:40.17 | stew | !due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. iceweasel is a likely candidate: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ |
| 17:40.17 | dpkg | stew: what are you talking about? |
| 17:40.25 | stew | !iceweasel is due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. iceweasel is a likely candidate: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ |
| 17:40.26 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 17:40.37 | abrotman | MatBoy: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 |
| 17:41.12 | MatBoy | abrotman, thanks !! |
| 17:41.13 | abrotman | stew: that URL might apply to what you just created |
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| 17:41.16 | MatBoy | stew, you too :) |
| 17:41.34 | Trewas | and all that firefox fumbling happens because dfsg interpreters can't accept one small icon with non-free license, sheesh |
| 17:42.25 | stew | Trewas: no, its a problem with security patches as well |
| 17:42.37 | stew | !iceweasel is also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 |
| 17:42.37 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 17:42.54 | stoffell | hm, anyone able to install paramiko 1.6.2 on etch? i can't get it compiled.. |
| 17:43.32 | stew | Trewas: they want us to not ship any security patches for firefox until they have reviewed them, but they also aren't interested in reviewing patches against the version of firefox in stable, and debian doesn't want to have to wait for them to have time to do that in order to ship security patches to debian stable users |
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| 17:44.26 | MatBoy | stew, may I say that I think they are cutting themself in their own fingers ? |
| 17:45.01 | stew | abrotman: and also non-free! |
| 17:45.13 | stew | MatBoy: i dunno that they really care |
| 17:45.42 | MatBoy | stew, that is stupid ! the way they came... the way they go in this case ? |
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| 17:46.12 | abrotman | stew: just like FF(with the logo) |
| 17:46.24 | abrotman | the whole thing stinks .. |
| 17:46.35 | stew | w3m! |
| 17:46.39 | MatBoy | abrotman, the placed Debian against the wall |
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| 17:46.41 | MatBoy | they |
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| 17:47.02 | abrotman | MatBoy: not really .. they just said we can't use it .. that's fine .. there are other gecko based browsers available ... |
| 17:47.03 | Trewas | stew: I would assume that they are quite responsive when security related patches are a concern. the old firefox shipped with stable is a problem and I think that debian should just follow every other linux distro and upgrade even the version in stable, it's IMO very wasted effort of fix the old 1.0x firefox nobody else cares about anymore |
| 17:47.10 | quintin | how do I make my panel in gnome two "rows" high? |
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| 17:47.26 | MatBoy | abrotman, yeah OK, but the way they do... I don;t think they have an profit of it.. |
| 17:47.29 | quintin | oh wtf. have to size it by pixels? screyw |
| 17:47.32 | MatBoy | any |
| 17:47.34 | stew | Trewas: no. they are not responsive when it comes to security related patches |
| 17:47.43 | abrotman | the patches don't really .. patch :) |
| 17:47.49 | Coweater | i thought firefox was still distributable, just not with the official name/logos? |
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| 17:47.53 | abrotman | AFAIK .. they don't apply cleanly |
| 17:47.58 | abrotman | Coweater: that's the point |
| 17:48.14 | stew | Trewas: which is why debian did, in fact ship a newer version of firefox in sarge than the one it originally shipped with |
| 17:48.28 | Coweater | ok, "other gecko based browsers" was a bit confusing |
| 17:48.40 | stew | Coweater: not anymore, they are not allowing debian to call the product "firefox" if it doesn't contain the non-free icons |
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| 17:49.06 | stew | Coweater: nor are they wanting debian to provide its own security patches for firefox and still call it firefox |
| 17:49.23 | abrotman | stew: and it seems they don't want it called FF if the patches aren't vetted by mozilla corp |
| 17:49.24 | stew | Coweater: oh, you said name/logos, which is correct. |
| 17:49.28 | stew | right |
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| 17:49.50 | fs-a | hi, does openoffice on - current - sid crash for anyone else? |
| 17:50.02 | stew | but this is all fine compared to the wrath which Schilly is likely to unleash once cdrkit starts getting more agressively changed |
| 17:50.03 | abrotman | checked the bts ? |
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| 17:50.22 | abrotman | stew: i don't see how he has any recourse ... |
| 17:50.26 | Trewas | stew: I thought so, so why not keeping the version in stable up-to-date, wasn't there volatile repository for that I kind of stuff? |
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| 17:50.34 | abrotman | !volatile |
| 17:50.34 | dpkg | methinks volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 17:50.35 | Trewas | or talk about such repository |
| 17:50.41 | ma3x | hey |
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| 17:50.45 | ma3x | this KDE has become like windows |
| 17:50.56 | ma3x | if I put a CD inside, it pops up a dialog and asks me what to do |
| 17:51.03 | ma3x | why kde imitates windows? |
| 17:51.11 | stew | abrotman: becuase getting rid of the sections that say "you may not change this section" might be a violation of the license he granted us to use the code |
| 17:51.30 | fs-a | oh yes, segfault on sid's ooffice |
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| 17:51.35 | fs-a | anyway |
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| 17:52.01 | stew | Trewas: no, volitale was not for providing security updates. even forpackages which exist in volatile the packages in stable will still be patched with security fixes |
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| 17:52.27 | sanabriamusic | hey |
| 17:52.45 | saad3000 | hello, who has a Broadcome b44 Network card? |
| 17:52.53 | saad3000 | com* |
| 17:53.02 | nvz | you do |
| 17:53.12 | saad3000 | yes and? |
| 17:53.16 | stew | Trewas: for instance, even though clamav is maintained in volatile (which was the insentive for creating it in the first place), the older stable package has been updated with security fixes |
| 17:53.20 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 17:53.23 | valdyn | !tell saad3000 -about ask |
| 17:53.41 | nvz | I don't know take off your tin foil hat so I can read your mind |
| 17:53.48 | abrotman | stew: bah .. isn't it mostly GPLed ? |
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| 17:53.56 | Trewas | stew: from the volatile.debian.net "Some packages aim at fast moving targets" and firefox may indeed be too fast for stable (when it is taken into account that nobody else cares to fix the versions debian stable has) |
| 17:54.06 | sanabriamusic | i just installed debian for first time...it kicks ass...the best dist i have tried so far. |
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| 17:54.28 | stew | abrotman: maybe? that's why debian will be talking with lawyers. german laws in this area are tricker than much of the rest of the world as well |
| 17:54.36 | MatBoy | jelly, the logo looks better now :) |
| 17:54.38 | fhuussd | I don't know any other dists, debian is all I know |
| 17:54.40 | sineer | sanabriamusic, and it has been for the past 12+ years imho :) |
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| 17:55.03 | fhuussd | people are telling me that GENTOO is pretty good though |
| 17:55.16 | fhuussd | and all of our customers swear by (cough cough) SUSE |
| 17:55.18 | sanabriamusic | yeah but my pc is a slow one |
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| 17:55.21 | stew | Trewas: i don't think we should take into account that nobody cares to fix the version of firefox in stable, especially since people have done that, and it required much effort. |
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| 17:55.47 | stew | Trewas: i dont' think that it would be a service to debian users to either A) leave a vulnerable firefox in stable, or B) remove firefox from stable |
| 17:55.51 | sanabriamusic | debian is best for me cause it also has all the software i need |
| 17:56.00 | sineer | fhuussd, SUSE sucks. I've convienced my comp to switch from suse to debian and man are we happy now |
| 17:56.20 | luke-jr_work | Gentoo would be better than Debian if you totally disregard CPU time ;p |
| 17:56.21 | sanabriamusic | am happy with debian |
| 17:56.30 | luke-jr_work | and don't need security updates on old versions |
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| 17:56.43 | sanabriamusic | i tried gentoo |
| 17:56.45 | sanabriamusic | is ok but |
| 17:56.46 | fhuussd | luke: CPU time??? What's the issue exactly??? |
| 17:56.49 | fhuussd | with GENTOO? |
| 17:56.50 | sanabriamusic | like debian better |
| 17:56.55 | Yamaraj | Both Debian and SUSE target different types of users. |
| 17:56.57 | Trewas | stew: that's the point, it requires too much effort so it would be better for both users and developers to update the version of firefox in stable to a version which is supported by upstream |
| 17:56.59 | luke-jr_work | fhuussd: everything is compiled |
| 17:57.32 | stew | Trewas: so you want to throw out the concept of debian stable altogether? |
| 17:57.37 | Trewas | stew: that's of couse against what debian stable is meant to be, but firefox is unfortunately quite unsuitable for that... |
| 17:57.43 | hans0lo | Hello. I have an internal USB memory card reader. When I insert a card, I have to type: fdisk /dev/sda, and then quit, before the /dev/sda1 device file is created. Is there a way to make this device file show up without messing with fdisk? |
| 17:57.46 | stew | Trewas: or "stable never gets new versions... except buggy browsers" |
| 17:58.12 | abrotman | just get rid of FF .. who really uses it anyways .... |
| 17:58.18 | eraker | I do. |
| 17:58.22 | abrotman | probably like .. 1% of users! |
| 17:58.26 | Trewas | stew: I guess I have too utilitarian view :) |
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| 17:58.59 | stew | Trewas: firefox IS in backports.org btw |
| 17:59.06 | luke-jr_work | fhuussd: benefits include the ability to micromanage compile-time options, do some minor optimizations, and mix stable/unstable |
| 17:59.39 | MatBoy | jelly, I'm not able to select a "Audio Device to use" |
| 17:59.47 | stew | abrotman: popcon! |
| 17:59.55 | fhuussd | cool, thanks for that |
| 17:59.56 | abrotman | stew: that was tarzeau's job! |
| 17:59.56 | MatBoy | jelly, Audiosystem btw |
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| 17:59.58 | sanabriamusic | this old pc came with win me and it used to run fairly good...the only other dist that worked with it was pcbsd but it was very slo |
| 18:00.00 | stew | abrotman: its #231, btw |
| 18:00.11 | sanabriamusic | with debian it seems to have recovered |
| 18:00.14 | sanabriamusic | the speed |
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| 18:00.39 | valdyn | sanabriamusic: debian isnt particularily fast, it just doesnt instal much by default that could slow down |
| 18:00.43 | sanabriamusic | the only thing is that it only wants to run in 640 resolution but thats ok |
| 18:00.51 | jelly | MatBoy: in new skype? |
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| 18:01.09 | stew | !drxx sanabriamusic |
| 18:01.10 | dpkg | sanabriamusic: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:01.22 | sanabriamusic | for once i dont have too look at little letters and little icons |
| 18:01.23 | porkpie1 | hi guy's I am trying to find a driver for this Dual Embedded Broadcom® NetXtreme II 5708 Gigabit Ethernet NIC |
| 18:01.23 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 18:01.24 | MatBoy | jelly, indeed I see my devices under it so that's OK... |
| 18:01.41 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 18:01.42 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 18:01.45 | valdyn | porkpie1: ^^^ |
| 18:01.51 | sanabriamusic | i was looking for a distro also that i can use blender and mostly multimedia |
| 18:01.54 | sanabriamusic | this has it |
| 18:02.02 | sanabriamusic | thanks kpkg |
| 18:02.06 | sanabriamusic | oops |
| 18:02.09 | sanabriamusic | dpkg |
| 18:02.14 | porkpie1 | dpkg thanks |
| 18:02.14 | dpkg | porkpie1: no worries |
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| 18:03.11 | sanabriamusic | i tried dyne:abolic and its pretty cool but a bit slow too |
| 18:03.21 | sanabriamusic | and the irc room nobody ever talks |
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| 18:03.56 | ma3x | what's the best thing to store a big amount of data? external hdd? |
| 18:03.58 | sanabriamusic | i installed debian last night and coudlnt wait to wake up to play with it |
| 18:03.59 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 18:04.05 | abrotman | stew: not as high as i'd have thought |
| 18:04.12 | MatBoy | jelly, I hear everything... I think it's a 6channel setting |
| 18:04.27 | porkpie1 | 14e4164c Yes Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5708 Gigabit Ethernet bnx2 |
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| 18:04.29 | stew | abrotman: its beat out by all of the gnome libs |
| 18:04.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:04.47 | Bhavesh | hahahaha |
| 18:04.56 | abrotman | stew: but that's vote .. not inst |
| 18:04.59 | stew | abrotman: it looks to be the highest browser though. beats epiphany and galeon |
| 18:05.01 | valdyn | porkpie1: and.. ? |
| 18:05.06 | Bhavesh | nvz: i am not into it, but this has been that kinda week that i will try it! |
| 18:05.11 | nvz | heh |
| 18:05.12 | hans0lo | Hello. I have an internal USB memory card reader. When I insert a card, I have to type: fdisk /dev/sda, and then quit, before the /dev/sda1 device file is created. Is there a way to make this device file show up without messing with fdisk? |
| 18:05.12 | sanabriamusic | i think debian is gonna help me learn blender since it lets me use programs |
| 18:05.14 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 18:05.20 | stew | abrotman: yeah, because you started this by saying "people use it" and not "people install it" |
| 18:05.52 | jelly | MatBoy: sorry, I don't understand you. Does it work or not? |
| 18:06.09 | MatBoy | jelly, half, but almost 100% |
| 18:06.29 | sanabriamusic | am gonna go play with debian a bit and check it out |
| 18:06.33 | sanabriamusic | i'll be back later |
| 18:06.35 | sanabriamusic | thanks guys |
| 18:06.36 | MatBoy | jelly, Something with the mic and front or rear connection |
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| 18:07.33 | jelly | MatBoy: I suggest asking on their forums. I don't have a mic here and can't test anything. |
| 18:07.46 | linuxboyfriend | hi all |
| 18:07.54 | abrotman | stew: i suppose |
| 18:07.54 | MatBoy | jelly, thanks ! first try it myself :) |
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| 18:07.58 | linuxboyfriend | is it possible to install ichat in debian? |
| 18:08.30 | nvz | its possible I won't tell anyone if you do |
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| 18:08.46 | nvz | which would be easy since I dont know what you are talking about anyway |
| 18:09.19 | me_here | !ping pong! |
| 18:10.04 | stew | how is it possible that popularity-contest is not at the top of popcon either by vote or by inst? |
| 18:10.12 | stew | there is a riddle for you |
| 18:10.22 | nvz | heh |
| 18:10.51 | stew | the egg came first btw |
| 18:11.09 | ma3x | stew, why? |
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| 18:12.04 | jelly | stew: is it in the list at all? |
| 18:12.31 | stew | jelly: it is number 22 in the vote list |
| 18:13.20 | jelly | stew: well, I bet it's excluded from the install list for obvious raisins. |
| 18:14.01 | stew | i guess it not being at the top of the vote list is easy to explain by noatime |
| 18:14.36 | kozmic | hm, fakeroot make-jpkg jdk_1_5_09.bin says no matching plugin found. How shuold I go about and install java in debian? |
| 18:14.38 | stew | except then dpkg would be in the same directory |
| 18:15.15 | stew | kozmic: the name of the .bin need to match one of the expressions in /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED it appears you renamed the file |
| 18:15.29 | valdyn | kozmic: that jdk_1_5_09.bin doesnt look like a regular name for a jdk |
| 18:15.45 | kozmic | stew: i didnt rename the file (didnt write it all out), but there has been a java update today. thanks, ill just go in there and add my name |
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| 18:16.01 | kozmic | jdk-1_5_0_09-linux-i586.bin <- the file i got |
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| 18:16.49 | jelly | which Berkeley DB version is the default in sarge? |
| 18:17.26 | kozmic | hm, i added my file to the list, didnt work. |
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| 18:17.27 | stew | kozmic: no, i don't think editing that doc would do anything |
| 18:18.00 | stew | jelly: there are many |
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| 18:18.18 | jelly | stew: that's why I'm asking. |
| 18:18.19 | kozmic | stew: hehe.. ops. didnt notice the path. So how would i go about to install it? |
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| 18:18.23 | stew | 1, 2, 3, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3... |
| 18:18.28 | stew | jelly: what does default mean than? |
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| 18:18.33 | stew | then* |
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| 18:18.52 | jelly | stew: I have a .tar.gz and don't know which -dev to use. |
| 18:18.53 | g333k_laptop | hello I have a curious question: If i have installed thunderbird in my desktop and laptop, when I download my mails to any of them... will my another thunderbird download the new messager even if they were read in the another pc ? |
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| 18:19.15 | stew | kozmic: fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0_09-linux-i586.bin |
| 18:19.38 | petemc | g333k_laptop: the default behaviour for collecting pop mail is to delete the message when you get it from the server, so the other client wouldnt get it |
| 18:19.42 | stew | jelly: look for libdb in the makefile |
| 18:19.50 | kozmic | g333k_laptop: you can configure thunderbird to let the mail stay on the mailserver in both clients. that way both your computers will recive the mail |
| 18:19.56 | jelly | stew: default: what to most source packages build-depend on, if they can work with eg. any 4.x version? |
| 18:20.23 | stew | jelly: look to see if the makefile is referring to libdb.so.2 or libdb.so.3 or what |
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| 18:20.32 | kozmic | stew: thats what i first tired. I get no matching plugin found. |
| 18:20.41 | kozmic | tried* |
| 18:20.54 | g333k_laptop | kozmic, I have it set up like you say, but it will recognize the new messages even if the another thunderbird had opened the messages? |
| 18:20.56 | stew | jelly: that doens't really matter. 4.1 and 4.2 aren't compatible so, whatever other packages user doesn't really matter to you |
| 18:21.05 | krypto | a |
| 18:21.14 | kozmic | g333k_laptop: yes |
| 18:21.27 | stew | kozmic: both give you no matching plugin? |
| 18:21.33 | kozmic | stew: yeah |
| 18:21.47 | kozmic | also tried to rename it to _08, but that didnt work either |
| 18:21.51 | stew | kozmic: anyway, try downloding the testing java-package from http://packages.debian.org/java-package |
| 18:22.56 | jelly | stew: it's not referring to anything, I only see things like DB_LIB=-ldb and #include <db.h> in the source. |
| 18:22.56 | g333k_laptop | kozmic, thanks.... I thought that the pop mail readers just download the new messages |
| 18:24.04 | jelly | stew: meh, I'll use libdb4.2-dev and see if it works. |
| 18:24.14 | kozmic | stew: thanks, that worked :) |
| 18:24.39 | kozmic | g333k_laptop: yes it does. but it can let the mail be on server, marked as read on unread. |
| 18:24.42 | quintin | I thought kopete did webcams? |
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| 18:25.43 | g333k_laptop | kozmic, if it in the server is "read" will the another pop reader recognize it as new? |
| 18:25.54 | g333k_laptop | as a new message? |
| 18:26.50 | DiamonD | Hi |
| 18:27.01 | DiamonD | how must i install *.deb file |
| 18:27.02 | DiamonD | s |
| 18:27.09 | jelly | stew: also, there was a package in unstable for my source (open-iscsi), a trivial backport worked with db4.2-dev installed. |
| 18:27.41 | DiamonD | does someone know |
| 18:27.58 | me_here | DiamonD: dpkg -i *.deb |
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| 18:29.41 | g333k_laptop | Hi, My laptop has some extra buttons for play, stop, rewind and forward, and to play a cd.... how can I take advantage of these buttons? ie. I want one of them to be the turn down volume button, another the opposite, etc ?? |
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| 18:31.59 | stew | g333k_laptop: use xev to see if they output meaningful scancodes, if they do, use xmodmap to map map them to real keys, and xbindkeys to mapthe keys to shel scripts |
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| 18:32.12 | cahoot | g333k_laptop: http://linuxgazette.net/104/brown.html may be of use |
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| 18:32.48 | shwag | how do I get more info on a package that is not yet installed ? |
| 18:33.24 | _ph00 | google the package name? |
| 18:33.38 | shwag | cant i do a show info command on the pacakge ? |
| 18:33.44 | stew | shwag: "apt-cache {show,showpkg,policy} packagename " |
| 18:33.52 | shwag | bingo |
| 18:34.23 | stew | shwag: if you need more than that, look at the grep-dctrl package |
| 18:35.34 | g333k_laptop | cahoot, does it work for gnome too? |
| 18:36.18 | cahoot | g333k_laptop: seems rathe kdecentric |
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| 18:37.25 | smax | hi guys |
| 18:37.57 | smax | i just inserted a slave hard drive, how can i find the device name in /dev so i can mount it? i only see the master under df -h |
| 18:38.22 | stew | smax: IDE? |
| 18:38.26 | sussudio | smax: you _inserted_ a slave drive? |
| 18:38.28 | smax | yes |
| 18:38.32 | smax | yes |
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| 18:38.47 | sussudio | hdb? |
| 18:38.50 | smax | hard drive in the slave slot |
| 18:38.52 | stew | smax: "dmesg | grep hd" or maybe "fdisk -l" if its partitioned |
| 18:38.59 | stew | smax: slave slot of the first ide bus? |
| 18:39.00 | sussudio | slave slot? |
| 18:39.03 | smax | yes it is partitioned. thax |
| 18:39.11 | Bhavesh | smax: type dmesg | grep hd |
| 18:39.15 | Bhavesh | how many lines do you get back? |
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| 18:40.26 | smax | ok i found it. it's hdb. thanx stew and and Bhavesh but not sussudio since he's they type people have to explain *shrug* EVERYTHING rather than simply deciphering context |
| 18:40.40 | DiamonD | Hi |
| 18:40.44 | DiamonD | i have problem |
| 18:40.51 | DiamonD | install libssl-dev |
| 18:40.52 | abrotman | smax: be nice .. we each help in our own way :) |
| 18:40.56 | DiamonD | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libssl0.9.8-dbg: |
| 18:40.56 | DiamonD | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.01 | Bhavesh | you are welcome |
| 18:41.02 | smax | ok |
| 18:41.04 | Bhavesh | i tguess |
| 18:41.06 | DiamonD | sorry for paste |
| 18:41.16 | DiamonD | but don't know how dpkg works |
| 18:41.38 | smax | try to apt that package |
| 18:41.48 | DiamonD | where can i find libssl0.9.8? |
| 18:41.52 | smax | apt will install dependancies for you. |
| 18:41.57 | DiamonD | yes i'v tryed |
| 18:41.59 | stew | DiamonD: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:42.04 | stew | DiamonD: that is only in testing |
| 18:42.07 | DiamonD | latest stew |
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| 18:42.19 | Ronin | DiamonD: which one DiamonD? sarge? etch? sid? |
| 18:42.20 | stew | DiamonD: what version of debian did you install? |
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| 18:42.42 | cahoot | g333k_laptop: lineakd is another option |
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| 18:43.55 | DiamonD | 3.1_r3 |
| 18:44.03 | DiamonD | that's the version i am runnig |
| 18:44.12 | DiamonD | i have used only cd one |
| 18:44.22 | stew | DiamonD: you shouldn't be trying to install testing packages onto stable. |
| 18:44.27 | Ronin | DiamonD: then i suspect you havent set up your apt sources? |
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| 18:44.41 | stew | no, he's setup testing in his sources |
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| 18:45.11 | fbred | what does it mean when packages.debian.org says: "Package: xserver-xorg-core (2:1.1.1-7, 1:1.0.2-9)". Why is it two versions? |
| 18:45.40 | DiamonD | Package libssl0.9.8 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 18:45.40 | DiamonD | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 18:45.40 | DiamonD | is only available from another source |
| 18:46.02 | DiamonD | that's bad |
| 18:46.04 | stew | DiamonD: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 libssl0.9.8-dbg" into a pastebin? /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:46.09 | DiamonD | how can i setup more sources |
| 18:46.24 | pearl | DiamonD: /ets/apt/sources.list? |
| 18:46.35 | pearl | DiamonD: /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 18:46.43 | abrotman | wait .. we should see what he's doing before he adds more crap |
| 18:46.47 | pearl | there you can paste your URI's |
| 18:47.03 | stew | DiamonD: you don't watn to setup more sources. you likely want to setup less |
| 18:47.19 | abrotman | fbred: might not be there for all architectures |
| 18:47.21 | pearl | =) |
| 18:47.39 | abrotman | fbred: notice m68k is at a different version |
| 18:47.52 | jelly | DiamonD: what are you really trying to do; that is, why do you need libssl-dev? |
| 18:48.11 | fbred | abrotman, aha, thanks! But i have i386.. and i really need the newest one, why don't i get it when I apt-get update && apt-get insall xserver-xorg-core? |
| 18:48.19 | sussudio | smax: i told you hdb twat |
| 18:48.42 | DiamonD | i need it for qmail |
| 18:48.44 | DiamonD | jelly |
| 18:48.52 | Ronin | well its certainly in testing |
| 18:48.52 | DiamonD | how can i setup more sources |
| 18:49.09 | Ronin | DiamonD: you may not need more, plese post your sources list to a pastebin site |
| 18:49.29 | jelly | DiamonD: you should use libssl-dev (and other -dev) from the release you installed. |
| 18:50.16 | qbit_wrk | anyone know how to list the frontside bus speed? |
| 18:50.35 | DiamonD | ok jelly |
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| 18:50.45 | DiamonD | i have only installed cd 1 |
| 18:51.01 | Ronin | so then my original idea may be correct for a change :) |
| 18:51.03 | DiamonD | but i can download it from apt-get right or manual install |
| 18:51.03 | DiamonD | ? |
| 18:51.14 | Ronin | DiamonD: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin.ca |
| 18:51.30 | DiamonD | Ronin |
| 18:51.39 | DiamonD | i have only two sources |
| 18:51.59 | DiamonD | xs4all.nl and http://security.debian.org |
| 18:52.16 | Ronin | xs4all.nl |
| 18:52.18 | Ronin | ? |
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| 18:52.27 | jelly | DiamonD: don't second guess, paste the complete file to a paster and let people help you. |
| 18:52.40 | jelly | Ronin: probably a mirror. |
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| 18:53.04 | DiamonD | http://pastebin.ca/186256 |
| 18:53.38 | Ronin | may want to add contrib an dnon free |
| 18:53.47 | stew | why? |
| 18:54.01 | stew | DiamonD: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 libssl0.9.8-dbg" into a pastebin? |
| 18:54.06 | DiamonD | that's my source list |
| 18:54.09 | DiamonD | Ronin |
| 18:54.13 | qbit_wrk | anyone know a command to list the front side bus speed? |
| 18:54.24 | stew | DiamonD: actually you can skip the first apt-cache policy now that we have seen your sources.list |
| 18:54.30 | enouf | DiamonD: cooperate or go away please |
| 18:54.48 | DiamonD | http://pastebin.ca/186256 |
| 18:54.49 | stew | enouf: ? is he really not cooperating? |
| 18:54.58 | DiamonD | ok sorry enouf |
| 18:54.59 | stew | qbit_wrk: if there is any command that could, it would be dmidecode |
| 18:55.00 | enouf | just nudging a tad |
| 18:55.05 | Ronin | yes we saw them DiamonD |
| 18:55.07 | Braindead | all his base are belong to us |
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| 18:55.28 | Ronin | anyhone else think he needs to add contrib and maybe non-free as he only has main |
| 18:55.36 | stew | Ronin: definately not |
| 18:55.49 | Ronin | stew: why not |
| 18:55.49 | Braindead | non-free makes baby jesus cry |
| 18:55.53 | Ronin | bah |
| 18:56.02 | stew | Ronin: libssl0.9.8 isn't in contrib or non-free, its in testing |
| 18:56.07 | Ronin | nothing wrong with non-free, you ar debian type you Braindead :) |
| 18:56.10 | DiamonD | http://pastebin.ca/186261 |
| 18:56.19 | Ronin | me rereads DiamonD original error |
| 18:56.20 | stew | Ronin: he installed some pacakge from testing that now wants it's dependencies |
| 18:56.25 | Braindead | Ronin: I was sarcastic |
| 18:56.40 | Ronin | Braindead: figured as much but i know folks who do feel that way :) |
| 18:56.42 | Ronin | stew: ack |
| 18:56.52 | DiamonD | ok... |
| 18:57.12 | stew | DiamonD: so the problem is that you installed libssl0.9.8-dbg from testing, but you arent' running testing and you dont' have any testing sources. you should not do this |
| 18:57.12 | DiamonD | how do i setup more sources |
| 18:57.20 | stew | DiamonD: why do you want more sources? |
| 18:57.22 | Braindead | Ronin: install vrms then ;) |
| 18:57.27 | stew | DiamonD: you should remove libssl0.9.8-dbg |
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| 18:57.37 | stew | DiamonD: why did you install that package in the first place? |
| 18:57.39 | jelly | DiamonD: you don't _need_ more sources. |
| 18:57.51 | sanabriamusic | how do i install flash in debian so that i may see flash content |
| 18:57.59 | Echtor2oo3 | re |
| 18:58.03 | DiamonD | done |
| 18:58.14 | DiamonD | what must i install now |
| 18:58.26 | DiamonD | libssl0.9.8 ? |
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| 18:58.37 | DiamonD | from apt-get install libssl0.9.8? |
| 18:58.42 | enouf | DiamonD: which pkg are you having treouble with ..qmail? |
| 18:58.47 | Braindead | sanabriamusic: you should now be able to search for packages.... like aptitude search ~nflash |
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| 18:59.01 | jelly | stew: he's trying to build qmail. One of the build dependencies is libssl-dev. How could he have installed libssl098-* with those sources.list is beyond me, unless he changed it back to stable recently. |
| 18:59.25 | DiamonD | enouf i need this packages for qmail http://www.qmailrocks.org/checklist.php |
| 18:59.38 | Braindead | zomg is he really gonna try and compile && configure qmail? |
| 18:59.38 | sanabriamusic | is flash in the synaptic packages? |
| 18:59.43 | enouf | DiamonD: ok - others can now help you further |
| 18:59.48 | Ronin | DiamonD: apt-get install libssl-dev |
| 18:59.56 | DiamonD | now i want to install those packages |
| 19:00.05 | Ronin | may i also suggest #qmr for install specific problems |
| 19:00.10 | Braindead | sanabriamusic: flashplugin-nonfree (as the name suggests,you should add non-free sources) |
| 19:00.16 | fbred | Hey, does anyone know where I can obtain xserver-xorg-core 2:1.1.1-7 for i386? I can only find 1:1.0.2-9 |
| 19:00.18 | dman | ive got a little problem after a kernel upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4. my network card is not being recognized/cant be configured... SIOCSIFADDR: no such device |
| 19:00.30 | enouf | jelly: my guess he likely added testing then removed it from sources.list |
| 19:00.55 | Braindead | dman: wait,I gotta set my time machine to 2001 |
| 19:01.02 | DiamonD | ok should try it agian |
| 19:01.04 | DiamonD | :) |
| 19:01.12 | jelly | Ronin: Do people at #qmr know about Debian's qmail-src peculiarities? |
| 19:01.18 | sanabriamusic | how do i do it |
| 19:01.23 | sanabriamusic | i am new to debian |
| 19:01.32 | Braindead | sanabriamusic: http://qref.sf.net (RTFM) |
| 19:01.33 | Ronin | jelly: yes but he's not or shouldnt be using the .src if he's folloing the qmr install |
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| 19:01.40 | dman | Braindead, ;-) |
| 19:01.55 | DiamonD | ok thnx |
| 19:01.56 | DiamonD | :) |
| 19:02.13 | DiamonD | what should i install first apacha php or mysql |
| 19:02.13 | DiamonD | ? |
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| 19:02.27 | Ronin | DiamonD: do you NEED mysql? |
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| 19:02.29 | DiamonD | does it makes a diffrence |
| 19:02.37 | DiamonD | no i don't need it |
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| 19:02.42 | Ronin | then dont install it |
| 19:02.49 | Braindead | DiamonD: you're not asking all of this because it's your job to install such a server,isn't it? |
| 19:02.55 | Ronin | oh Braindead i hope not |
| 19:02.59 | Braindead | tell me your machine isn't going on the internet. |
| 19:03.09 | DiamonD | no braindead |
| 19:03.10 | DiamonD | ;p |
| 19:03.21 | DiamonD | but i want to setup a webserver as wel |
| 19:03.22 | DiamonD | ;) |
| 19:03.29 | sanabriamusic | so just by doing the cvsup thingy i get flash compatibility? |
| 19:03.30 | Braindead | but you're a NOOB |
| 19:03.31 | Braindead | ;) |
| 19:03.37 | DiamonD | a little |
| 19:03.41 | Braindead | A LOT |
| 19:03.42 | DiamonD | i am learning |
| 19:03.44 | DiamonD | ;) |
| 19:03.48 | Ronin | DiamonD: just follow teh directions on the qmr webpage and read read read |
| 19:03.48 | Braindead | sanabriamusic: cvsup WHAT? |
| 19:03.58 | DiamonD | ok thnx ronin |
| 19:03.59 | DiamonD | :) |
| 19:05.32 | g333k_laptop | hi, how to count how many files/directories are inside of a directory? I want to see the result of each directory |
| 19:05.37 | sanabriamusic | am confused |
| 19:05.47 | sanabriamusic | dont know what to do with the link u gave me to install flash |
| 19:06.00 | Braindead | sanabriamusic: maybe READ IT |
| 19:06.04 | sanabriamusic | ok |
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| 19:09.21 | sanabriamusic | www.google.com........is the link to use....without having to "READ" a whole manual |
| 19:09.25 | sanabriamusic | :) |
| 19:09.57 | Braindead | yeah, www.justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| 19:10.13 | sanabriamusic | lol lazy. |
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| 19:11.36 | Ronin | ahh t-20 minutes and counting |
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| 19:14.24 | abrotman | Ronin: gotta take a dump? |
| 19:14.51 | Ronin | abrotman: naw im a govt employee i try to do that on work hours, im counting down till beer o'clock |
| 19:15.01 | abrotman | POETS huh ... |
| 19:15.08 | abrotman | !moo |
| 19:15.09 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 19:16.34 | abrotman | in a terminal |
| 19:16.35 | smax | lmao |
| 19:16.40 | ma3x | NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1: transmit timed out |
| 19:16.41 | ma3x | eth1: Transmit timed out, status 0x000000, resetting... |
| 19:16.43 | ma3x | what's that |
| 19:16.44 | smax | it's the gnu |
| 19:16.46 | ma3x | what's watchdog?? |
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| 19:17.18 | DiamonD | Hi |
| 19:17.30 | ma3x | is anybody here? |
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| 19:18.13 | DiamonD | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.13 | DiamonD | ? |
| 19:18.16 | Braindead | also try aptitude moo ,then add increasing verbosity (-v ; -vv ; -vvv ...) |
| 19:18.38 | Braindead | DiamonD: ./configure ??? aptitude install apache |
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| 19:18.55 | Ronin | DiamonD: what are you configuring now? |
| 19:19.11 | DiamonD | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/install.html |
| 19:19.12 | smax | what command can i change the group for a particular file ? |
| 19:19.17 | Bhavesh | it should be full path |
| 19:19.22 | Bhavesh | so /home/blah/ |
| 19:19.23 | Braindead | DiamonD: #slackware is that way -> |
| 19:19.24 | Ronin | DiamonD: apt-get install apache |
| 19:19.24 | smax | or dir |
| 19:19.31 | DiamonD | ok |
| 19:19.32 | DiamonD | :) |
| 19:19.37 | Braindead | (NOOB) |
| 19:19.39 | Ronin | you are running debian right? ;) |
| 19:19.49 | DiamonD | yes |
| 19:19.58 | DiamonD | but i can configure it manualy |
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| 19:19.59 | DiamonD | right |
| 19:20.00 | DiamonD | ;/ |
| 19:20.00 | DiamonD | ? |
| 19:20.01 | Bhavesh | smax: chgrp |
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| 19:20.03 | stew | DiamonD: why do you need apache2.2, what is wrong with the apache in debian? |
| 19:20.07 | Ronin | thank you dpkg |
| 19:20.07 | dpkg | Ronin: de nada |
| 19:20.11 | smax | thanx pal |
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| 19:20.14 | Braindead | yay! \o/ he got kicked! |
| 19:20.17 | Braindead | d'oh! |
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| 19:20.19 | stew | DiamonD: why do you need apache2.2, what is wrong with the apache in debian? |
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| 19:20.27 | starling | I just found a bug in /usr/include/stdint.h How... should I report that? |
| 19:20.29 | Braindead | DiamonD: write on ONE line,please |
| 19:20.43 | stew | starling: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 19:20.43 | DiamonD | should i get always get things from apt-get |
| 19:20.43 | DiamonD | ;/ |
| 19:20.48 | DiamonD | i must learn right |
| 19:20.48 | DiamonD | :P |
| 19:20.57 | Ronin | DiamonD: yes, if at all possible |
| 19:20.58 | Braindead | DiamonD: ALL IN ONE FUCKING LINE |
| 19:21.10 | stew | Braindead: calm down. turn off your caps |
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| 19:21.21 | starling | :emoticon |
| 19:21.21 | DiamonD | ok sorry |
| 19:21.26 | Ronin | DiamonD: but if you are indeed following the qmr install just read and do what they say |
| 19:21.34 | Braindead | stew: he's so dumb he got kicked for his flood ;) ;P ;| 8======> |
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| 19:21.48 | jikuty | I'm having a problem in which all of my multimedia apps EXCEPT Totem movie player give me errors/warnings when I attempt to play a sound file. The error goes something like "Couldn't open audio: Please check that your sound card is configured properly, that no other program is blocking the soundcard, and that you havet the current output plugin selected." |
| 19:22.01 | jikuty | anyone know how I might be able to fix this? |
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| 19:22.13 | Braindead | DiamonD: are you following the qmr tutorial because you wanna worship the devil? is this some kind of inertiatic trial? |
| 19:22.18 | stew | Braindead: if you get to the point where you are name calling and shouting, you should have already used /ignore |
| 19:22.28 | DiamonD | yes i have asked the question before i must fill in ./configre --prefix=PREFIX but how must i start PREFIX /dir/ ? |
| 19:22.30 | starling | jikuty: That usually means the program is using the old /dev/dsp interface, which can only be opened by one process at a time. |
| 19:22.41 | Ronin | DiamonD: you dont have to configur apache, just apt-get install |
| 19:22.41 | stew | Braindead: stop. if you dont' want to help. don't. |
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| 19:23.10 | Braindead | stew: this isn't debian-related anyway... qmr and ./configure shit... |
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| 19:23.16 | DiamonD | allrighty then |
| 19:23.17 | Ronin | DiamonD: if you have questions about the install why not /join #qmr, but if they debian questions by all means ask here |
| 19:23.24 | jikuty | starling, well, I do only have one process at at ime |
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| 19:23.34 | stew | Braindead: it is debian related. he's asking how to install apache on debian |
| 19:23.37 | jikuty | even if I turn off Totem, etc.. it still gives the same error. |
| 19:23.48 | starling | jikuty: On your entire computer? Some sneaky stuff, like window managers for instance, like to grab /dev/dsp. |
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| 19:23.58 | jikuty | interesting |
| 19:24.08 | starling | jikuty: Try lsof /dev/dsp and if you're lucky the culprit'll be there. |
| 19:24.18 | jikuty | alrighty, one sec. |
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| 19:24.24 | stew | DiamonD: you seem to be following a tutorial that assumes you will be installing apache by compiling it, which isn't apropriate in debian. you should try to find a debian specific tutorial |
| 19:24.27 | Braindead | stew: running ./configure because he read so on some apache.org page isn't the way to install it on debian. perservering on it after being pointed out to the correct way is quite annoying |
| 19:24.28 | starling | If you're not lucky, you have a different problem than I'm familiar with. |
| 19:24.59 | stew | Braindead: in that case the proper way for you to handle it is to use ignore, not to accuse them of worshiping the devil |
| 19:25.05 | jikuty | starling: when I do that, I'm getting a device |
| 19:25.11 | Braindead | stew: qmail IS *teh debbil* |
| 19:25.14 | stew | Braindead: please drop it |
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| 19:25.22 | stew | Braindead: and try to keep things constructive |
| 19:25.31 | starling | jikuty: It should show you which process is using it. |
| 19:25.45 | Nwallins | I have a handwritten daemon and I'd like to see its resource usage. is there a better way than scanning `top` ? |
| 19:25.52 | jikuty | it gives me a PID, is that enough info? |
| 19:25.59 | Nwallins | hmm.. i guess it's not 'handwritten' ;) |
| 19:26.11 | starling | kill -15 <PID> ? =) The process's name should be the left-most column. |
| 19:26.39 | jikuty | i see, under the COMMAND column it says "esd" |
| 19:26.53 | starling | Enlightenment Sound Daemon. Yes that one uses /dev/dsp. |
| 19:27.02 | jikuty | alright - I killed it using 'kill' |
| 19:27.08 | starling | Either only use apps that support esd output, or don't use esd. |
| 19:27.23 | jikuty | alright, sweet... everything is working now |
| 19:27.29 | starling | wpc |
| 19:27.32 | jikuty | is there a way I can make it NOT boot with ESD on ? |
| 19:28.02 | starling | jikuty: Check /etc/rc*.d/ for init scripts. |
| 19:28.15 | starling | Unless you're like me and you use runit. |
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| 19:28.49 | jikuty | starling, alright.. im in the folder.. and theres a bunch of scripts here. |
| 19:28.53 | jikuty | which one should i be looking for? |
| 19:29.00 | starling | The one that says esd... |
| 19:29.11 | jikuty | hmm, there's none here that are 'esd' |
| 19:29.20 | cydork | starling, you use runit? |
| 19:29.27 | starling | Yep. |
| 19:29.36 | cydork | starling, hmm sid? |
| 19:29.41 | starling | jikuty: You could try grepping through them for esd. |
| 19:29.48 | Charminthemoose | how do i make xfree86 go to my prefered resolution? |
| 19:29.49 | starling | cydork: unstable |
| 19:30.10 | stew | !drxx Charminthemoose |
| 19:30.10 | jikuty | sorry for my ignorance, but I don't even know what grepping is :p |
| 19:30.10 | dpkg | Charminthemoose: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:30.59 | Braindead | jikuty: what are all those "multimedia apps" other than totem you were asking about? |
| 19:30.59 | Charminthemoose | i have defaultdepth 16 in my xfree config a/msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 19:31.05 | jikuty | Braindead: apps such as XMMS |
| 19:31.11 | Braindead | jikuty: because you could just tell those "multimedia apps" to use ESD |
| 19:31.14 | starling | jikuty: grep is a program that can search through the contents of files. Try grep -e esd /etc/rc*.d/S* |
| 19:31.41 | smax | can someone get the bot to point me to fglrx ? |
| 19:31.42 | Braindead | anyway esd isn't started by init scripts,it's a gnome's affair |
| 19:31.46 | smax | the ati drivers? |
| 19:31.52 | jikuty | starling, it didn't come up with anything |
| 19:31.53 | starling | Braindead: Like I said, either use esd for everything or don't use it. alsa really performs esd's task nowadays with their software mixers. |
| 19:31.59 | smax | !ati |
| 19:32.00 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for sid see <fglrx>, or http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/share/kernel/fglrx-driver, or for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz |
| 19:32.00 | starling | Oh oops. |
| 19:32.02 | smax | ahh |
| 19:32.03 | smax | cool |
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| 19:32.25 | starling | jikuty: Braindead's right. It's something to do with Gnome's startup. I dunno that. |
| 19:32.33 | jikuty | oh, ok |
| 19:32.45 | Braindead | btw Alan Cox's opinion on XMMS.org homepage always make me laugh |
| 19:33.23 | jikuty | well, at least I know how to kill the process now. |
| 19:33.31 | dman | ive got a little problem after a kernel upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4. my network card is not being recognized/cant be configured... SIOCSIFADDR: no such device |
| 19:33.31 | starling | True... |
| 19:33.51 | dman | answer for some looking at the chat logs: http://ask.metafilter.com/mefi/18383 |
| 19:33.51 | stew | dman: which card? |
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| 19:34.05 | dman | conceptronic realtec |
| 19:34.06 | stew | dman: and what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 19:34.33 | dman | dont know why it did not got recognised under 2.4, when it was under 2.2, stew |
| 19:34.39 | jelly | dman: the driver name might have changed. try modprobing 8139too |
| 19:34.49 | Yamaraj | Which of the three boxen - BlackBox, FluxBox and OpenBox and lightest and most suitable for a laptop? Or should I take the fvwm route? |
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| 19:35.02 | jelly | dman: oh, is it a PCI or an ISA card? |
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| 19:35.12 | dman | jelly, thats the one i just go working |
| 19:35.18 | Braindead | Yamaraj: it isn't only a matter of "lightness". give them a try and find out what suits you |
| 19:35.27 | jikuty | thanks for the help starling, Braindead. |
| 19:35.28 | dman | jelly, tried 8139cp, but no go |
| 19:35.32 | jikuty | :) |
| 19:35.44 | h3sp4wn | Yamaraj: fluxbox looks ok and I can't think of anything less than 6 years old that wouldn't run it very fast |
| 19:35.52 | Yamaraj | Braindead: I've used all three over past 3 years, but never benchmarked for lightness. |
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| 19:36.12 | stew | !tell root___ about root |
| 19:36.15 | starling | I've never used any of those boxen. My friend swears by Flux though. |
| 19:36.27 | Braindead | Yamaraj: you'll never notice it anyway,if you can't tell it with your own eyes it's not even worth measuring |
| 19:36.36 | dman | jelly, at least can work with big files, >128RAM and ext3... :-) THANKS |
| 19:36.46 | Yamaraj | Flux is surely the foxiest and flashiest of all. |
| 19:36.55 | h3sp4wn | Yamaraj: ratpoison is really really light |
| 19:36.58 | dman | thx stew |
| 19:37.05 | jelly | dman: well, there are different cards under the same pci-id. Some work with 8139cp, some with 8139too. I think 2.6 kernel images in sarge try using both, i don't know about 2.4. |
| 19:37.07 | stew | dman: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:37.10 | Yamaraj | h3sp4wn: As is ion3. ;-) |
| 19:37.38 | Braindead | back in my days we only had twm. and we liked it! |
| 19:37.43 | Braindead | sheesh,whippersnappers.... |
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| 19:38.38 | jelly | Braindead: fvwm1 was the first thing compiles on a Solaris 2.4 box. Die twm die! (also, CDE was a hog). |
| 19:38.39 | dman | stew: 2.4.27-3-586tsc (its a P1 166mhz) |
| 19:39.30 | stew | !which module for 0200 |
| 19:39.30 | dpkg | to find which modules supports 0200, run this command: grep `lspci -n |awk '/0200/{sub(":",".*",$3);print $3}'` /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.pcimap |
| 19:39.36 | h3sp4wn | jelly: openwindows or whatever it was called was alot lighter than cde (I just used that - until I got an SGI) |
| 19:39.38 | stew | dman: run that ^^ |
| 19:39.51 | stew | dman: it will tell you which modules support your ethernet cards |
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| 19:40.43 | jelly | h3sp4wn: yeah, but it was fugly. |
| 19:40.44 | starling | One of my favorite things about xfce is how it starts with everything you need: a system tray, a close button, a taskbar, then leaves you the heck alone. |
| 19:41.11 | stew | dman: actually that probably breaks if you have more than one ethernet card |
| 19:41.15 | dman | stew: whats 0200? |
| 19:41.19 | starling | I've been curious about flux though since it has so many nice hooks. I had a bad experience with fvwm though... |
| 19:41.27 | stew | dman: the pci class for ethernet cards |
| 19:41.35 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 19:41.51 | stew | dman: just run "lspci -n | grep 0200" and tell us what is in hte third column |
| 19:41.53 | DaBlade | Could anyone help me out with this? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2442861#post2442861 |
| 19:41.59 | stew | dman: something like 8086:1062 |
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| 19:43.05 | dman | stew: 0000:00:09.0 0200: 10ec:8139 (rev 10) |
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| 19:43.31 | Braindead | DaBlade: lesson number one: check google for HW support,THEN buy the hardware. http://www.leenooks.com/Silvercrest%252fLidl+50946SC |
| 19:43.45 | DaBlade | Braindead: I did, but I thought maybe that was old.. |
| 19:43.49 | stew | dman: yeah, that is an 8139too or an 8139cp |
| 19:44.01 | DaBlade | Braindead: Linky no worky |
| 19:44.19 | Braindead | DaBlade: long story short: it doesn't work |
| 19:44.26 | yargo | starling: I find myself contiually returning to IceWM. It gives you complete keyboard control. The default theme isn't pretty, but the blue crux theme is nice. The menu/toolbars/winoptions are fairly straight forward editable text files. The taskbar CPU monitor is now something I don't feel comfortable without. |
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| 19:44.33 | DaBlade | Braindead: And as I said, maybe that page was outdated |
| 19:44.36 | vert | hi folk |
| 19:44.45 | vert | how can i confirm im using sarge ? |
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| 19:44.53 | dman | stew, yep.. but somehow *cp could not be loaded, *too is wprking fine.. thanks very much! |
| 19:44.53 | vert | uname -a doesent mention |
| 19:45.05 | DaBlade | Braindead: Or perhaps inaccurate |
| 19:45.19 | starling | yargo: But does it have a system tray? Does it allow applications to save sessions? |
| 19:45.29 | Braindead | DaBlade: or perhaps if you wanna *buy* new hardware check for hardware that *works*. not hw that *may* work |
| 19:46.01 | DaBlade | Braindead: Well, actually it was my dad that bought it. I personally don't even need a webcam. |
| 19:46.18 | Braindead | DaBlade: tell your dad to ask you before buying,then |
| 19:46.25 | the_mug | vert: cat /etc/issue |
| 19:46.28 | Braindead | (if he intends to use it under linux) |
| 19:46.37 | DaBlade | Braindead: Yeah. |
| 19:46.37 | yargo | starling: it has a tray, and you can have any window "tray icon". It doesn't have a session manager, but I think most progs handle their own sessions don't they. |
| 19:46.57 | jelly | DaBlade: write a wrapper for windows webcam drivers, instant glory! |
| 19:47.11 | DaBlade | jelly: I can't code.. |
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| 19:47.26 | DaBlade | Anyway, I've got another problem while we're at it. |
| 19:47.37 | starling | yargo: Well, there's a X protocol for reloading onesself when X restarts, but not every wm supports it. xfce will bring gaim back up without me having to run it, if it was running when X quit last. |
| 19:47.37 | DaBlade | When I do make menuconfig (or xconfig) in the kernel source tree |
| 19:47.39 | DaBlade | I get this: |
| 19:47.39 | DaBlade | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `scripts/basic/fixdep.c', needed by `scripts/basic/fixdep'. Stop. |
| 19:47.40 | DaBlade | make: *** [scripts_basic] Error 2 |
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| 19:47.49 | DaBlade | Two friggin lines |
| 19:47.55 | DaBlade | The bot kicked me for two lines |
| 19:48.00 | Braindead | 4 |
| 19:48.12 | DaBlade | Two paste lines |
| 19:48.20 | Braindead | 2+2=4 |
| 19:48.28 | cydork | DaBlade, ya but you typed fast before that |
| 19:48.35 | DaBlade | cydork: Eh.. ok. |
| 19:48.40 | DaBlade | Anyway, can someone help me out? |
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| 19:48.44 | jelly | DaBlade: it doesn't know those are 2 pasted lines, but it does know about 4 lines in a small period of time. |
| 19:48.48 | Braindead | DaBlade: libncurses5-dev,it's a FAQ |
| 19:48.50 | yargo | starling: oh, I see. No it doesn't do that. I just have the apps I want started listed in my ~/.xsession |
| 19:49.13 | starling | yargo: Yeah, that works too, but it's manually specified instead of just "Where you were last." |
| 19:49.23 | Braindead | DaBlade: the build-essential metapackage could help too |
| 19:49.27 | DaBlade | Braindead: apt must've done something really wrong cause I have ncurses |
| 19:49.36 | DaBlade | Braindead: Or at least a month ago I built a kernel |
| 19:49.41 | DaBlade | Now it doesn't work. |
| 19:49.43 | DaBlade | I blame apt. |
| 19:49.46 | jelly | Braindead: funny, ncurses-dev could really be in build-essential too. |
| 19:49.59 | DaBlade | libncurses5-dev is already the newest version. |
| 19:50.22 | starling | yargo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_session_manager |
| 19:50.22 | DaBlade | as for build essential: I built wine an hour ago, I'm fairly sure I have that. |
| 19:50.23 | yargo | starling: most things in IceWM are just that, manually specified. It's what I like about. |
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| 19:50.41 | starling | Hmm, perhaps. |
| 19:50.45 | Persilon | Hi, I need some help installing php4-dbase |
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| 19:51.51 | starling | Apparantly there's a bare bones session manager xsm. That'd probably work with any wm. |
| 19:51.51 | DaBlade | Braindead: Any other ideas? |
| 19:51.57 | aquafina | hello. i just did a debian netinstall into etch. and when i startx, i get an error like "error opening security policy file" and could not init font path element.. how do i work around these and get X going? |
| 19:52.30 | starling | DaBlade: find scripts/basic/fixdep.c. Sounds like you have some lost source files. |
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| 19:52.58 | yargo | starling: ya it comes with X. I depends on the app being xsm compliant. I'm not sure home many are though. |
| 19:53.04 | Yamaraj | DaBlade: Try it again as root, or sudo -c |
| 19:53.31 | DaBlade | I copied one from a different source tree. |
| 19:53.37 | DaBlade | Now it complains about this: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `scripts/basic/split-include.c', needed by `scripts/basic/split-include'. Stop. |
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| 19:53.53 | starling | yargo: Anything xsm compliant is what I'm talking about, should be able to recover that way. Maybe not though... I dunno. |
| 19:54.46 | aquafina | Anyone have any pointers for me starting X? the issue as stated above. |
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| 19:55.11 | yargo | I need opinions with the online help systems in debian. I've never used them, but I'm installing for a friend and I think they'ld be helpful for them. |
| 19:55.33 | yargo | so, dwww or dhelp or doc-central. What's the diff? |
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| 19:57.02 | lepton | yargo: dwww is not bad. why not install them and take a test-drive? |
| 19:57.54 | starling | xsm is nice, except it leaves a cluttery window to trip over that can't be customized. |
| 19:58.34 | yargo | lepton: I was wondering of others had used them and had preferences. My test drive would be brief, and I'ld prefer the opinion of someone who uses these things. |
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| 20:01.44 | Bhavesh | yay we are the 700 club |
| 20:01.47 | Bhavesh | with 700 people |
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| 20:04.27 | yargo | Ok, so I installed dwww, and it in stalled Apache for it's web server. Bit of an overkill for a help system, no... |
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| 20:05.27 | vert | my pci list is up to date, but i get a package build faild when i run sh ati-*.run --buildpkg Debian/sarge according to the links ! ati provides. |
| 20:05.35 | vert | http://rafb.net/paste/results/oDprgr34.html' |
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| 20:05.44 | vert | err http://rafb.net/paste/results/oDprgr34.html |
| 20:06.07 | starling | Whee I just learned something! |
| 20:06.09 | endia314 | When I try to print anything, the job is "processed" for a few seconds and then disappears; the printer never turns on. |
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| 20:06.20 | starling | xwit -unmap -id <windowid> --> bye bye |
| 20:06.44 | [Aque0s] | ok |
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| 20:07.09 | [Aque0s] | i have just installed my new debian system :).... now i am a complete n00b.... how do i install WINE? |
| 20:07.20 | vert | does anyone use ATI card? |
| 20:07.26 | vert | a Radeon |
| 20:07.31 | yargo | starling "xwit", I don't have that. |
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| 20:07.46 | endia314 | [Aque0s]: Log in as root and type "apt-get install wine". |
| 20:07.49 | starling | It's in apt |
| 20:08.15 | starling | The only trouble is how to automatically get the xsm window's ID... |
| 20:08.20 | [Aque0s] | will try thx endia314 |
| 20:09.09 | vert | tarzeau: hi can you help me with my ati card? |
| 20:09.12 | vert | my pci list is up to date, but i get a package build faild when i run sh ati-*.run --buildpkg Debian/sarge http://rafb.net/paste/results/oDprgr34.html |
| 20:09.27 | yargo | starling: it looks like you can use the window name from xprop |
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| 20:09.50 | starling | yargo: The window name being "xsm: randomsessionnamethatcan'tbepredicted" yes. |
| 20:10.06 | deadcat | isnt this how you merge dvd data? groisofs -M /dev/dvd -R -J blah.iso blah2.iso ? i get this error: mkisofs: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/fd/3'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 20:10.51 | [Aque0s] | ok endia314 |
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| 20:11.04 | endia314 | [Aque0s]: Did it work? |
| 20:11.11 | [Aque0s] | thx alot.. it works, but now how do install the MONO mod |
| 20:11.31 | elkid | somebody can recommend me any good tool for ntfs(read/write)? |
| 20:11.55 | [Aque0s] | and... also.... i am a complete newb so how do install unrealircd linux build... i know it perfectly on win32 but on linux... eish |
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| 20:12.25 | starling | "how do you install" |
| 20:12.26 | [Aque0s] | and once i have mono installed... how do i start a win32 app? |
| 20:12.39 | starling | I've never used mono before. |
| 20:12.46 | yargo | starling: mine says "xsm: Default" |
| 20:12.48 | starling | unrealircd might be in apt though. |
| 20:12.49 | Charminthemoose | anyone know what i need for a basic compling environment? |
| 20:12.51 | jackito | from a hosts file, how can i call another hosts file? |
| 20:12.57 | cydork | [Aque0s], win32 app? |
| 20:13.00 | Charminthemoose | *compiling |
| 20:13.06 | starling | yargo: Yeah, it's the session name. One could just make sure never to change it. |
| 20:14.07 | [Aque0s] | cydork |
| 20:14.07 | [Aque0s] | pvt? |
| 20:14.09 | cydork | !b-e Charminthemoose |
| 20:14.09 | dpkg | Charminthemoose: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 20:14.09 | endia314 | [Aque0s]: I've never used Mono, but you can search for all the Mono components with "apt-get search mono", and then "apt-get install xyz". |
| 20:15.01 | endia314 | [Aque0s]: Here are all the mono packages available on etch: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Gwa7Zt46.html |
| 20:15.04 | abrotman | [Aque0s]: you might want to ask on #mono on irc.gnome.org (at least i think that's where it lives) |
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| 20:15.34 | cydork | [Aque0s], mono is for .net envirment afaik you might want wine. but why do you want that app? |
| 20:15.44 | yargo | starling: ok, xwit is pretty freaking cool |
| 20:15.46 | endia314 | Aque0s: You run wine with the command "wine /windows/exe/here.exe". |
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| 20:15.51 | starling | yargo: Innit though! |
| 20:16.18 | jackito | is there a way to call another hosts file from within a hosts file? something like "@import /.../file" or something |
| 20:16.34 | abrotman | you could use NIS :) |
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| 20:16.59 | abrotman | !tell root___ about root |
| 20:17.08 | Aque0s | umm.... my grahpics looks like f*ing dog shit...... |
| 20:17.58 | Yamaraj | I take it 2.6.18 -mm patches won't do much harm to a non-critical laptop install? |
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| 20:18.27 | karsten | jackito: You could write something which created a hosts file from various templates. Which may be what's happening anyhow. |
| 20:18.32 | cydork | Yamaraj, you never know :P |
| 20:18.59 | Aque0s | cydork |
| 20:19.17 | cydork | Aque0s, what? |
| 20:19.20 | Aque0s | wer can i get to my graphics properties? |
| 20:19.23 | jackito | karsten: i believe there is a keyword in the hosts file to import another file into it |
| 20:19.30 | abrotman | man 5 hostsw |
| 20:19.32 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:19.33 | Aque0s | my screen has liek 5 colours and looks SHIT |
| 20:19.35 | cydork | Aque0s, can you elaborate? |
| 20:19.55 | cydork | Aque0s, for the xorg? or xfree86 |
| 20:20.13 | abrotman | which video card? |
| 20:20.26 | cydork | Aque0s, ^^ |
| 20:20.34 | Aque0s | xorg xfree68 WTF???????????? |
| 20:20.51 | Yamaraj | cydork: Yep. BTW, what's the difference between -mm and -mm-broken-out? |
| 20:20.57 | Aque0s | im a n0000b... u lost me :( |
| 20:21.11 | cydork | !noob |
| 20:21.12 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 20:21.14 | stew | Aque0s: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:21.22 | Aque0s | :( soz |
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| 20:21.38 | Aque0s | umm... how do i check? |
| 20:21.51 | stew | Aque0s: how did you install it? |
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| 20:22.08 | stew | Aque0s: did you use the released 3.1r3 installer or the beta installer for 4.0? |
| 20:22.20 | Aque0s | cd, i downloaded the first cd image off the web yesterday and did the rest IN the setup via http |
| 20:22.29 | tziku | hello, how can i save my "ifconfig" interfaces and "route -n" settings ? |
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| 20:23.01 | stew | Aque0s: and "X -version" returns a version that is something like 4.xxxx not 7.xxxxx, right? |
| 20:23.05 | sanabriamusic | anyone knows why would my sound make a weird noise |
| 20:23.13 | sanabriamusic | how can i resetup my sound |
| 20:23.18 | starling | Aque0s: The config file is in /etc/X11/xorg.config and you probably have the generic (crappy) display driver. You might have to find out what video card you have, then the driver that uses it. |
| 20:23.29 | stew | starling: no it isn't |
| 20:23.36 | starling | Sorry. |
| 20:23.38 | starling | xorg.conf |
| 20:23.41 | stew | nope |
| 20:23.49 | starling | Or xfree86.conf if your X is old. |
| 20:23.59 | stew | not that either |
| 20:24.08 | stew | nor should he be touching the config by hand anyway |
| 20:24.08 | starling | wtf? Where is it? |
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| 20:24.16 | starling | How else do you configure it? |
| 20:24.24 | stew | !drxx Aque0s |
| 20:24.25 | dpkg | Aque0s: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:24.27 | glj12 | hi, do you guys know how to make sshd begin on the reboot each time? |
| 20:24.30 | starling | Oh yeah. |
| 20:24.40 | stew | glj12: what version of debian are you running |
| 20:24.54 | tziku | hello, how can i save my "ifconfig" interfaces and "route -n" settings ? I don't want to set settings at every reboot. |
| 20:24.54 | glj12 | erm, well, i ahve the latest knoppix, but idk |
| 20:25.23 | glj12 | w/e the latest knoppix uses |
| 20:25.23 | stew | glj12: ask #knoppix about knoppix questions, please |
| 20:25.28 | stew | tziku: man interfaces |
| 20:25.35 | glj12 | erm... isnt knoppix debian basically |
| 20:25.42 | cydork | Yamaraj, mm are mortan patches but i dont know what mm-broken-patches are.. |
| 20:25.47 | glj12 | and i did, but no one responded.. |
| 20:25.49 | azeem | glj12: no, it's different |
| 20:25.53 | azeem | glj12: wait |
| 20:26.06 | yargo | glj12: you'll want to ask knoppix about how they handle run level controls |
| 20:26.08 | h3sp4wn | glj12: kanotix is closer to pure debian |
| 20:26.19 | glj12 | ok |
| 20:26.32 | glj12 | i thought that the commands would be pretty much the same |
| 20:26.52 | glj12 | ok then, i guess i'll sit and wait for no response from #knoppix |
| 20:27.01 | yargo | glj12: they might be, but they might have their own progs to handle that stuff |
| 20:27.19 | glj12 | ok |
| 20:27.27 | Yamaraj | cydork: Yup, I know they are Andrew Morton's. Would you like to take a look - http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.18/ ? There are mm1, mm2 and -broken-patches for both mm1 and mm2. It's confusing. |
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| 20:27.48 | starling | glj12: What runlevel are you in? |
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| 20:28.04 | glj12 | i really have no idea what that even means to be honest with you. |
| 20:28.08 | glj12 | runlevel? |
| 20:28.17 | starling | It should say during boot... maybe echo $RUNLEVEL? |
| 20:28.35 | glj12 | are you asking about a version of what i am using? |
| 20:28.49 | starling | No, it's a level of um... running. Usually 2, or 5. |
| 20:28.55 | glj12 | oh, ok |
| 20:29.01 | glj12 | can i type it into console to see |
| 20:29.16 | starling | not sure, does echo $RUNLEVEL say anything? |
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| 20:29.28 | karsten | starling: 'runlevel' shows runlevel |
| 20:29.32 | starling | oh. |
| 20:29.40 | karsten | starling: ... and /etc/inittab shows the default. |
| 20:29.42 | glj12 | its 5 |
| 20:29.47 | starling | Sorry, I haven't used rc style init for just ages. |
| 20:29.57 | karsten | starling: What are you using? |
| 20:30.15 | karsten | starling: initdefault, FYI. |
| 20:30.34 | starling | glj12: This should work on nearly every distribution: ln -s /etc/init.d/ssh /etc/rc5.d/S20ssh |
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| 20:30.39 | cydork | Yamaraj, heh broken out means literally broken out get the both the files and extact them and you will see what i mean :P |
| 20:30.50 | starling | karsten: I'm using runit. It's a different system. |
| 20:30.56 | glj12 | that will make sshd start up on the reboot? |
| 20:31.05 | yargo | glj12: you could use sysv-rc-conf as well |
| 20:31.06 | starling | Maybe? |
| 20:31.16 | karsten | starling: OSX? |
| 20:31.18 | glj12 | hmmm |
| 20:31.25 | karsten | starling: ... or Debian? |
| 20:31.28 | glj12 | i wonder how you make webmin startup on its own |
| 20:31.29 | starling | glj12: Make sure that /etc/init.d/ssh exists, and is set up right. |
| 20:31.31 | glj12 | i'll go look |
| 20:31.35 | glj12 | ok |
| 20:31.45 | starling | karsten: Debian, they've got good runit support. |
| 20:31.46 | karsten | starling: OK, gotchya... |
| 20:31.49 | starling | In unstable at least. |
| 20:32.04 | karsten | starling: What's the new Ubuntu init called? And is it in Debian? |
| 20:32.11 | glj12 | it exists |
| 20:32.20 | starling | ? Neva hoid of it. Ubuntu has a new init? |
| 20:32.33 | cafuego | karsten: upstart |
| 20:32.45 | karsten | cafuego: Right. Not in Debian AFAICT. |
| 20:32.49 | starling | Those dangnabit upstarts! |
| 20:32.49 | Yamaraj | cydork: I thought so. But why does he provide tar'ed packages of broken patches? |
| 20:32.52 | stew | karsten: it was uploaded today afaik |
| 20:33.06 | stew | oh, maybe only to experimental |
| 20:33.16 | stew | !info upstart experimental |
| 20:33.17 | starling | glj12: You should be fine then. |
| 20:33.17 | MatBoy | cydork, vmware 5.5.1 is here solid as a rock again |
| 20:33.22 | glj12 | ok, awesome |
| 20:33.29 | glj12 | is it the same sort of thing with webmin? |
| 20:33.37 | glj12 | or when webmin is installed, it does that for you? |
| 20:33.49 | cydork | Yamaraj, to see it clearly i guess :) |
| 20:33.57 | cydork | MatBoy, nice :P |
| 20:34.02 | Yamaraj | Hmm. |
| 20:34.10 | starling | glj12: It runs /etc/rc<yourrunlevel>.d/S.... stuff every time you start, and runs the ones that start with K when you leave that runlevel. |
| 20:34.10 | MatBoy | cydork, still the same there ? |
| 20:34.26 | cydork | MatBoy, na i removed it :) |
| 20:34.28 | vin` | Yamaraj: try ketchup, will patch automatically and keep the bandwidth to a minimum. |
| 20:34.32 | MatBoy | cydork, why that ? |
| 20:34.39 | starling | glj12: The number is the priority, 99 is last. |
| 20:34.48 | cydork | MatBoy, i am just trying out xen :) |
| 20:35.02 | stew | karsten: 0.2.7-1 is in NEW |
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| 20:35.17 | MatBoy | cydork, Xen is kewl ! but not for windows ;) |
| 20:35.19 | glj12 | so for example, for webmin, I would do this?: /etc/init.d# ln -s /etc/webmindirhere /etc/rc5.d/make_up_webmin_name_here |
| 20:35.30 | Yamaraj | vin`: Thanks! |
| 20:35.35 | glj12 | erm, - /etc/init.d# |
| 20:35.39 | karsten | stew: Not in testing/unstable. |
| 20:35.43 | karsten | MatBoy: Wrong. |
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| 20:36.01 | cydork | MatBoy, i dont need windows anyways.. |
| 20:36.08 | karsten | MatBoy: Xen boots Windows, and should get better. |
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| 20:36.10 | stew | karsten: right, it wil be in unstable, after it passes NEW |
| 20:36.24 | glj12 | nvm |
| 20:36.26 | karsten | MatBoy: ... XenSource's new redmond offices are 3 miles (7 minutes) from One Microsoft Way. |
| 20:36.27 | cafuego | Xen was running XP just fine last time I saw it demoed (by a xen developer :-) |
| 20:36.28 | glj12 | i got it, thats cool |
| 20:36.34 | MatBoy | karsten, does it ? I never went that deep into it becausde i only tried the liveCD :) |
| 20:36.39 | starling | glj12: Most init scripts are kept in /etc/init.d/. Then you put a link in your runlevel directory that leads to a script in there. |
| 20:36.48 | glj12 | yeah, i got it now |
| 20:36.49 | glj12 | thanks |
| 20:37.04 | glj12 | and to kill kdm on startup would be uh... |
| 20:37.06 | glj12 | a script? |
| 20:37.17 | starling | kill...? |
| 20:37.22 | glj12 | i mean, every time |
| 20:37.24 | Presently42 | Hello, debianers. My laptop just froze. I had to eventually do a hard reset. What log files (or other methods) can I use to determine what made it freeze? Thanks much. |
| 20:37.26 | starling | How do you want to startup? |
| 20:37.29 | MatBoy | karsten, that is because the ground is so cheap there.. nobody wants to live next to Microsoft :P |
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| 20:37.31 | glj12 | kill the x server eevry time |
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| 20:37.39 | starling | So you'll just have a console? |
| 20:37.39 | glj12 | kdm, or w/e its called |
| 20:37.41 | Presently42 | I use sid. |
| 20:37.43 | glj12 | yeah |
| 20:37.43 | MatBoy | karsten, I will look into it when I have time |
| 20:37.48 | glj12 | its an srcds server |
| 20:37.48 | karsten | MatBoy: Um. XS is getting very, very close to MSFT. |
| 20:37.54 | cydork | glj12, man update-rc.d |
| 20:38.07 | glj12 | what will that do |
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| 20:38.17 | starling | Runlevel 5 is using GUI stuff, so if you change your default runlevel to 2, it won't run kdm or xdm or any of that stuff. |
| 20:38.29 | Charminthemoose | would xfce4 be less bloaty than gnome or kde? |
| 20:38.32 | Spec | Presently42: /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog and /var/log/auth.log are good places to start |
| 20:38.36 | cydork | Charminthemoose, yes |
| 20:38.43 | glj12 | oh cool starling |
| 20:38.47 | MatBoy | karsten, what company was going to work with Xen ? |
| 20:38.51 | starling | Of course... you have to make sure all the apps you do want to run are in /etc/rc2.d |
| 20:38.53 | Spec | microsoft |
| 20:38.57 | starling | Like ssh for instance. :p |
| 20:39.06 | glj12 | ah, yeah |
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| 20:39.07 | Presently42 | Spec: I'll look. Thanks. |
| 20:39.12 | glj12 | so i can just copy that over, right? |
| 20:39.15 | Spec | MatBoy: not sure if it's xen specifically, but i heard rumours that microsoft is going to support an open-standards hypervising thingy |
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| 20:39.26 | yargo | I'm getting alot of .serverauth.??? files in my home directory? |
| 20:39.28 | glj12 | what do i actually need to startup for my server to run, other than webmin and ssh? |
| 20:39.30 | starling | Said above: default runlevel is in /etc/inittab. Change the number in the second column. |
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| 20:39.56 | starling | glj12: Depends on what programs... you want to run? |
| 20:39.59 | MatBoy | Spec, I thought something like the same.. there was some news about Xen working with a big company last weeks |
| 20:40.04 | glj12 | ln -s /etc/init.d/ssh /etc/rc2.d/S20ssh |
| 20:40.06 | glj12 | right? |
| 20:40.10 | starling | Yes. |
| 20:40.21 | Spec | MatBoy: that'd be cool if it's actually xen that microsoft is supporting (as long as it remains open!) |
| 20:40.23 | jet` | hey what do i change? i get: error: expected ')' before string constant this is the line --> MODULE_PARM(vendor_id, "i"); |
| 20:40.27 | glj12 | i need to run my counterstrike:source server, ssh, and webmin |
| 20:40.30 | cydork | MatBoy, i also heard m$ will support xen |
| 20:40.31 | jelly | glj12: better use update-rc.d instead |
| 20:41.05 | glj12 | but what does that do exactly |
| 20:41.05 | starling | Yes, well I don't know if knoppix has update-rc.d |
| 20:41.06 | lincsie | hi, I need AGP support for an nvidia nforce3 chipset. there seems to be no support in the kernel. |
| 20:41.06 | MatBoy | cydork, than my brains are still working :P |
| 20:41.06 | starling | glj12: It does what I've been telling you to do, but behind the scenes more. |
| 20:41.06 | jelly | glj12: it just makes a relative link instead of an absolute one. |
| 20:41.08 | glj12 | ok |
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| 20:41.10 | cydork | MatBoy, i havn't started beer yet :P |
| 20:41.15 | yargo | glj12: update-rc.d handles the creation and removal of links in the rc?.d directories |
| 20:41.23 | glj12 | how do i make knoppix run as level 2? with that command? |
| 20:41.27 | jelly | glj12: and it's TEH Debian way to do it ;-) |
| 20:41.29 | starling | Eh, relative absolute, both have advantages and disadvantages. |
| 20:41.31 | MatBoy | cydork, hehe, no you didn't start the overusage yet :P |
| 20:41.39 | starling | glj12: See 'man update-rc.d' for the manual on it. |
| 20:41.43 | glj12 | k |
| 20:41.45 | jet` | quit yer windows bashing and assit me |
| 20:41.45 | cydork | MatBoy, heh |
| 20:41.46 | yargo | glj12: sysv-rc-conf is another program that does the same |
| 20:41.51 | glj12 | alright |
| 20:41.59 | glj12 | cool beans, thanks |
| 20:42.10 | jet` | *assist |
| 20:42.12 | jelly | starling: well, take a peek in /etc/rc?.d/ and see what's being used. |
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| 20:42.48 | starling | ? |
| 20:43.12 | starling | I'm using runit. All my daemons are in /var/service |
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| 20:43.19 | jelly | starling: ... it's just that Debian's tools consistently use relative symlinks. |
| 20:43.25 | cydork | jet`, paste your error on a paster or something |
| 20:43.29 | cydork | !paster |
| 20:43.29 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:43.52 | starling | jelly: I'm just too lazy to type out all those dots. |
| 20:43.52 | jet` | hey what do i change? i get: error: expected ')' before string constant this is the line --> MODULE_PARM(vendor_id, "i"); |
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| 20:44.19 | jelly | starling: ../init.d/foo is shorter than /etc/init.d/foo :-P |
| 20:44.26 | stew | cydork: becuse in other channels the bot named "paster" wouold announce when someone pastes. currently disabled in here becuase it was being abused by GNAA trolls |
| 20:44.26 | starling | cydork: Maybe it has a bot in the channel that anounces pastes. |
| 20:44.28 | jet` | there's one paste site or more that links to a bot and the bot pastes the url |
| 20:44.40 | Aque0s | is there sumthin like add remove programs.. |
| 20:44.41 | jet` | heh |
| 20:44.47 | starling | jelly: Do not question my superior laziness! |
| 20:44.56 | jet` | Aque0s: yeah dselect or aptitude... |
| 20:45.03 | jet` | aptitude is the default |
| 20:45.07 | ajchace | <--- new to Debian, not to *nix. would like to add a feature to apt-get. who should I talk to? |
| 20:45.11 | jet` | or you could apt-get install synaptics |
| 20:45.19 | cydork | stew, oh ok |
| 20:45.27 | Presently42 | Spec: What's this? Sep 29 16:21:51 localhost -- MARK -- I've seen the mark before, also ascosiated with a freeze, I thought. It is followed by my atteompts to halt, it seems, by pushing the boot button. |
| 20:45.39 | sepski | ajchace, if you dont want to do it yourself justfile a wishlist bug against it |
| 20:45.42 | jelly | Aque0s: deselect's keybindings will make your hair fall out, so use the other one. |
| 20:45.47 | ajchace | no, I would like to |
| 20:45.49 | starling | ajchace: Most of that stuff happens through mailing lists. Most I've ever done is submit bug fixes though. |
| 20:45.56 | ajchace | ok |
| 20:45.58 | Spec | Presently42: no, i think the MARK's are normal |
| 20:46.01 | sepski | if you want to do it yourself , file a wishlist bug, then reply to that bug with the patch :) |
| 20:46.04 | ajchace | that seems like a place to start |
| 20:46.05 | Spec | Presently42: not 100% positive though |
| 20:46.15 | ajchace | sepski: I think I can do that |
| 20:46.23 | jelly | ajchace: what feature? |
| 20:46.24 | Presently42 | Spec: Do you know what theymight be? |
| 20:46.27 | starling | What feature is it? Is it worthwhile for all of us? |
| 20:46.33 | ajchace | I wasn't sure if I needed to ask -devs permission to submit a patch |
| 20:46.41 | ajchace | starling: I think so |
| 20:46.47 | sepski | ajchace, you can submit all you want,. but they decide if they accept it or not |
| 20:46.48 | ajchace | using Nexenta |
| 20:46.49 | vin` | Presently42: MARK is a periodic marker when there's nothing else to be written. |
| 20:46.50 | cydork | jet`, frankly i dont see anything wrong can you paste the whole thing on the http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 20:47.11 | jet` | cydork: that was the whole thing |
| 20:47.13 | Spec | Presently42: yeah, i think it's just output the kernel does to let you know it's not not doing anything |
| 20:47.15 | ajchace | and it doesn't use the same directory structure for install CD's as Debian |
| 20:47.21 | jet` | basically... there were 3 lines, all the same |
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| 20:47.31 | ajchace | so you cannot add the install CD to local repository |
| 20:47.41 | starling | You don't need the dev's permission to submit a patch. You need their permission to apply it. |
| 20:47.49 | jet` | ajchace: you have to use apt-cd |
| 20:47.54 | ajchace | so I would like to add a flag to apt-get so specify a full path to the Packages.gz file |
| 20:48.03 | jet` | to add a cd to sources |
| 20:48.03 | ajchace | jet: right, it fails |
| 20:48.06 | jet` | ah |
| 20:48.30 | ajchace | starling: thanks for clearing that up |
| 20:48.30 | cydork | jet`, i mean more of the source code and you should also ask in #kernel i gues |
| 20:48.43 | ajchace | think I'll write some code, and see how it goes |
| 20:48.43 | Presently42 | Spec, vin`: Fair enough. There goes that theory. |
| 20:48.43 | starling | ajchace: No, thank you for helping out. ^.^ |
| 20:48.45 | jet` | ah |
| 20:48.50 | ajchace | it would be useful to me at least :-) |
| 20:49.11 | ajchace | alright... catch you later... |
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| 20:49.35 | profoX` | Carnage: is sending me spam |
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| 20:50.33 | cydork | profoX`, use !ops |
| 20:50.44 | profoX` | !ops |
| 20:50.45 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 20:50.51 | stew | profoX`: wait |
| 20:50.53 | profoX` | !ops carnage -> spam |
| 20:50.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: profox` complains about: carnage -> spam |
| 20:50.55 | streuner | hm, Girl as user and 85.x.x.x ... |
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| 20:51.42 | stew | i don't know why onjoin flooders never actually spam me |
| 20:51.42 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 20:51.42 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.108.145.40] by peterS |
| 20:51.42 | *** kick/#debian [Carnage!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-69-148-26-171.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net] by peterS (bleh, go away.) |
| 20:51.42 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 20:51.53 | vin` | stew: maybe just random users. |
| 20:51.55 | stew | like i've never gotten one, like ever |
| 20:51.56 | azeem | stew: you're whitelisted |
| 20:52.00 | streuner | stew: well, they like you ;-) |
| 20:52.07 | profoX` | no I was in ##please_register by accident |
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| 20:52.09 | streuner | hehe, azeem |
| 20:52.10 | profoX` | i think he sends spam from there |
| 20:52.19 | Presently42 | Spec: /var/log/syslog is noting a lot of dhclient attempts and failures for the eth0 ethernet device; which isn't plugged in. |
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| 20:52.24 | cydork | stew, me neither :) |
| 20:52.33 | cydork | and i am happy that way :P |
| 20:52.43 | abrotman | !tell chema10 about root |
| 20:52.48 | abrotman | i feel left out |
| 20:52.52 | stew | even back when we had anti-flodding irssi scripts in the /topic for months i never once got one |
| 20:53.03 | Presently42 | Spec: Just about every six minutes. |
| 20:53.25 | wols_ | stew: they know you, they fear you |
| 20:53.32 | abrotman | why don't i get one? |
| 20:53.32 | tarzeau | vert: i can try? |
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| 20:53.41 | tarzeau | vert: www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ the fglrx-driver ? |
| 20:53.54 | cydork | !fear stew |
| 20:53.57 | streuner | abrotman: wanna spam? ;-) |
| 20:54.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've been at a friend, but i read my backlogs... |
| 20:54.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: good for you .. what's your point ? |
| 20:54.12 | wols_ | streuner: isn't he doing that all day? |
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| 20:54.22 | streuner | wols_: haha |
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| 20:54.55 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:54.55 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:55.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: you've been waiting for me to chime in |
| 20:55.03 | jet` | cydork , or anybody who cares, lines 123,125, and 130 : http://linux.hfds.com/files/lt_modem.c.txt |
| 20:55.25 | streuner | !beer peterS |
| 20:55.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. i could do without :) |
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| 20:57.05 | jet` | gah help me or the only internet will be supplied by windows98! don't do that to my poor nephew!!!! |
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| 20:57.29 | jet` | :) |
| 20:57.37 | streuner | heh |
| 20:57.52 | streuner | its your own fault, run a *real* OS |
| 20:57.57 | starling | o.O Heaven help you Jet! |
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| 20:58.03 | jet` | i am.. atm |
| 20:58.03 | streuner | 98 is the crap |
| 20:58.12 | starling | Because we're totally not Heaven here. |
| 20:58.12 | jet` | 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 20:58.16 | Heston | funny you should mention that. Win98 seems to run just fine unpatched on the internet, compared to say Xp which is compromised in a matter of minutes |
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| 20:58.37 | abrotman | jet`: you have a real name? |
| 20:58.46 | starling | Oh no... |
| 20:58.56 | streuner | keep in mind, 98 is more than 8 years old vs. other modern OS's... |
| 20:58.59 | starling | jet`: You have a WinModem, don't you. |
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| 20:59.00 | jet` | but atm all i have is dsl. my nephew will only have dialup. the modem needs to work under debian. |
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| 20:59.09 | abrotman | jet`: which line is 123 ? |
| 20:59.12 | jet` | <S>treuner!!! |
| 20:59.21 | junix | how do i force a debian pkg to isntall??? |
| 20:59.25 | streuner | jetscreamer: ! |
| 20:59.28 | tarzeau | junix: --force-all |
| 20:59.30 | jet` | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.30 | tarzeau | and -i |
| 20:59.31 | azeem | junix: you don't!! |
| 20:59.34 | jet` | tha tis line 123 |
| 20:59.38 | junix | azeem: :-P |
| 20:59.51 | cydork | jet`, that paste is not numbered i am looking at it in emacs :p |
| 20:59.51 | jet` | starling: it's dps, lucent... winmodem i guess |
| 21:00.06 | jet` | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.21 | wols_ | junix: be really careful if you force it. you can do real damage to the packaging system |
| 21:00.21 | stew | jet`: what are you trying to do? |
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| 21:00.21 | starling | Yes... lucent... |
| 21:00.23 | junix | wols_: its mysql |
| 21:00.24 | jet` | abrotman: i have plenty |
| 21:00.28 | abrotman | so put one in! |
| 21:00.34 | baldr | nye |
| 21:00.35 | streuner | abrotman: better buy an extern modem... |
| 21:00.36 | jet` | stew: compile lucent source |
| 21:00.37 | starling | Lucent was the first company to conspire with Microsoft to make hardware that only works with Microsoft. |
| 21:00.44 | abrotman | streuner: no shit .. but they cost more than $5 |
| 21:00.55 | streuner | 10 bucks, well... |
| 21:00.59 | d0uglas | hi. I installed python-gpod so I can hook up my ipod (having no luck with gtkpod), but i'm not sure what to do now that i have the python module installed, can't find docs.. |
| 21:01.04 | jet` | abrotman: i'd have to buy a new pcmcia card for it |
| 21:01.14 | starling | jet`: Is it a laptop? |
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| 21:01.27 | jet` | i don't really want to if i can get that lucent to work.. yes a toshiba tecra 8000 laptop] |
| 21:01.41 | jet` | p2-366 oh boy! |
| 21:02.00 | tarzeau | wow demoscene is alive and kicking: http://bronxwhq.org/bronx/photos/?g=bp06 |
| 21:02.01 | wols_ | the memory is more important, the more the better |
| 21:02.15 | starling | I've never in my life managed to get a Winmodem to work. Couple months of trying, no luck. |
| 21:02.17 | jet` | 256... it's a very tricked out old laptop |
| 21:02.21 | jet` | even has a dvd |
| 21:02.21 | wintix | When switching to AMD64 capable CPU, is it better to leave the 32bit system and just compile the kernel ait 64bit stuff, or does one get way better performance with a whole 64bit system + 64bit kernel? |
| 21:02.46 | Heston | wintix, you cant mix and match |
| 21:02.53 | wols_ | wintix: stay with x86-32 |
| 21:03.01 | abrotman | jet`: oh .. one of those |
| 21:03.08 | jet` | yeh |
| 21:03.08 | abrotman | !laptpo |
| 21:03.10 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 21:03.10 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 21:03.42 | jet` | i've got everything working cept the modem... even the hibernation. i need to bind a key to hibernate though |
| 21:03.50 | wintix | Heston: I meant the cpu optimization for AMD64, not a whole 64bit kernel, sorry. |
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| 21:04.09 | starling | Wow, even hibernation? |
| 21:04.18 | wols_ | wintix: amd64 is not really worth it right now |
| 21:04.34 | jet` | the damn source is borked, or made only for sarge... not sure. |
| 21:04.35 | Heston | wintix, i wouldnt bother |
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| 21:04.56 | yargo | jet`: I used ltmodem-2.6-8alk to get my winmodem working. |
| 21:04.59 | cydork | jet`, works on sarge? |
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| 21:05.07 | wintix | Thanks for the advice, wols_ and Heston. |
| 21:05.08 | jet` | yargo: this is that source |
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| 21:06.29 | vert | tarzeau: the script you provided concluded with http://rafb.net/paste/results/rJbVbY25.html |
| 21:06.38 | vert | hmm |
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| 21:06.58 | tarzeau | vert: run it with bash -x |
| 21:09.12 | me_here | what packager is able to unpack .sit format files in debian ? |
| 21:09.25 | vert | are you sure it's -x ? i get a usage clause |
| 21:09.31 | abrotman | me_here: that's a mac format |
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| 21:09.50 | jet` | cydork: it 'says' it works for 2.6.8 'i believe' |
| 21:09.55 | jet` | yargo said it works |
| 21:10.02 | jet` | so it might be the kernel |
| 21:10.05 | jet` | my kernel |
| 21:10.10 | jet` | 2.6.17 |
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| 21:10.38 | me_here | abrotman: i know, stuffit not available in debian, so what other possibilities do i have to extract ? |
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| 21:11.26 | JoyFM | hi |
| 21:11.28 | starling | stuffit is proprietary, patent protected, and secret, so you probably won't have much luck. Use Gzip or 7z and berate the person who sent you a package ruined by that corrupt company. |
| 21:12.01 | abrotman | my .. got a grudge? |
| 21:12.06 | vert | tarzeau: + echo 'Usage: /etc/init.d/fglrx-driver start' which is what i originally did when i got http://rafb.net/paste/results/rJbVbY25.html |
| 21:12.17 | vert | hrmmm |
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| 21:12.24 | tarzeau | vert: say bash -x fglrx-driver start |
| 21:12.24 | JoyFM | i've installed a rpm package via alien and know i'm not able to remove it becouse i get the following error ERROR: SuSEconfig or requested SuSEconfig module not present! |
| 21:12.24 | JoyFM | "ERROR: SuSEconfig or requested SuSEconfig module not present!" what shall i do? |
| 21:12.29 | vert | ahh |
| 21:12.31 | vert | lets see now |
| 21:12.39 | tarzeau | vert: you didn't read the script right? |
| 21:12.44 | sshock | Where is a good channel to ask about networking and firewalls in linux? |
| 21:12.46 | tarzeau | i mean the first few lines say how to use it |
| 21:12.59 | tarzeau | vert: i'd not run foreign scripts, especially not as root |
| 21:13.07 | starling | hehe... |
| 21:13.07 | tarzeau | sshock: here. if you got debian |
| 21:13.24 | sshock | Yeah, I'm using debian |
| 21:13.31 | starling | Maybe a bit of a grudge... I had to work in a Mac lab once, a few years ago. Mostly it's just plain fact though. |
| 21:13.33 | tarzeau | sshock: that's what they all say |
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| 21:13.43 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 21:13.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read ... |
| 21:14.00 | jet` | what if you are a virgin |
| 21:14.01 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 21:14.02 | dpkg | hmm... harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 21:14.15 | sshock | Well, here's the deal. I got my iptables all set up and working great, except for one problem |
| 21:14.16 | JoyFM | nobody who has an ideaß |
| 21:14.16 | JoyFM | ? |
| 21:14.19 | starling | jet`: See 'man sex' |
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| 21:14.38 | sshock | Downloads were going really slow (like 10 times slower than if I plug a computer directly into the cable modem) |
| 21:14.38 | Taube | sshock: iptables? :) |
| 21:14.47 | sshock | Yes, iptables |
| 21:15.01 | starling | iptables?? |
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| 21:15.15 | sshock | Also, I can download fast from the firewall itself, just not from any computers behind the firewall |
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| 21:15.18 | Taube | sshock: strange |
| 21:15.28 | sepski | sshock, not strage, since all p2p programs require a portforward tru your firewall to work properly |
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| 21:15.34 | Taube | sshock: do you drop packages? |
| 21:15.45 | sepski | or is this http:/ ftp :/ |
| 21:16.30 | Taube | sepski: http / ftp etc. should work without problems |
| 21:16.30 | sshock | Taube: yes |
| 21:16.31 | yargo | me_here: there is an unsit prog for linux |
| 21:16.31 | sshock | sepski: I'm not using P2P, just regular HTTP download is slow |
| 21:16.36 | sshock | Anyway, yeah I monitored the number of dropped packets, and there were a few, so I switched MTU on all my devices from 1500 to 1412 |
| 21:16.41 | yargo | me_here: http://www.stuffit.com/stuffit/linux ? |
| 21:16.52 | sepski | sshock, check your internal interface for duplex speed issues to |
| 21:16.53 | sshock | And that helped _a lot_ |
| 21:16.55 | Taube | sshock: possibly a "bad" idea - did you try i simply ping wihtout losing any packages? |
| 21:17.09 | starling | s/packages/packets/g |
| 21:17.10 | sshock | sepski: how can I find out what duplex my cards are using? |
| 21:17.20 | sshock | Taube: that is a good idea; I will try that |
| 21:17.26 | sepski | mmi-tool or ethtool iirc. |
| 21:17.43 | sepski | or some proc entry |
| 21:17.43 | Taube | starling: sorry - not a native speaker |
| 21:17.43 | sepski | and it varies with the drivers the card use |
| 21:17.45 | starling | s'ok. I'm a compulsive speller, so it all works out. |
| 21:17.49 | Taube | sshock: ethtool |
| 21:18.06 | sshock | Well, I looked at output of dmesg, and I see this eth1: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 |
| 21:18.19 | sshock | but eth0 doesn't showing duplex anything |
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| 21:18.43 | sshock | ok, I'm trying ethtool now... |
| 21:18.50 | yargo | jet`: my winmodem showed up as supported when I ran the test prog, yours might not be. |
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| 21:19.40 | jjazz_ | Does Debian empty the /tmp dir on boot? |
| 21:19.50 | starling | By default, yes. |
| 21:20.01 | jjazz_ | Thanks. |
| 21:20.05 | yargo | jjazz_: take a look at tmpreaper |
| 21:20.58 | jjazz_ | yargo: Will do. Thanks. |
| 21:21.15 | starling | I'm off to play with flux and ice until I get sick of it. Ta! |
| 21:21.23 | sshock | d'oh ethtool prints out all kinds of stuff for eth1, but nothing for eth0 (No data available) |
| 21:21.27 | stew | jjazz_: you can also make it only delete stuff that hasn't been accessed in X days with /etc/default/rcS: tmptime |
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| 21:22.14 | jjazz_ | stew: Ya, I see that in the documentation. Looks useful. |
| 21:22.21 | sshock | My eth0 is a dumb $14 cnet pro 200 (davicom 9102 chipset). Maybe that is my problem? This card sucks? |
| 21:22.23 | Taube | sshock: did you try a direct download between gateway and client? |
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| 21:22.44 | sshock | Taube: Yes download from the firewall server itself is fast (6Mbps) |
| 21:22.52 | stew | jjazz_: do you think it is going to be a subway series? |
| 21:23.02 | Taube | sshock: no - not internet-gateway - i mean gateway-client |
| 21:23.07 | sshock | oh |
| 21:23.27 | sshock | no, but I'm positive that will be a lot slower; comcast upload speeds here are like 380Kbps |
| 21:23.28 | Taube | sshock: i that is ok, you know its a software problem |
| 21:23.28 | jjazz_ | stew: No. I actually just made a bet that the Yanks get further than the Mets. The Yanks have to win in a round the Mets lose for me to win it. I'm guessing the Mets go in round one. |
| 21:23.34 | lex | Im a php developer (an old one), and an elder linux user ... im here to vent. The only decent fucking way to upload an asp.net site to a remote windows iis server without going through a ton of stupidly insecure "security" "features" is ... SSH ... ill be fucking damned |
| 21:23.46 | lex | You people are on the bright side of the force |
| 21:23.50 | lex | I hereby congratulate thee |
| 21:24.13 | tziku | hello, how can i save my "ifconfig" interfaces and "route -n" settings ? I don't want to set settings at every reboot. |
| 21:24.18 | sshock | Ok, I just rebooted one of my desktop into linux, and it's fast in linux! But not windows. STUPID WINDOWZ |
| 21:24.26 | jjazz_ | tziku: man interfaces |
| 21:24.30 | vert | tziku: man interfaces |
| 21:24.38 | tziku | ok |
| 21:24.40 | tziku | ok |
| 21:24.42 | tarzeau | sshock: windows is nice |
| 21:24.43 | Taube | sshock: did you set your windows setting to half duplex or 10mbit? :D |
| 21:24.47 | tziku | thanks for both :D |
| 21:24.48 | sshock | Hmm, why would windoze be slower when going through my linux firewall? |
| 21:24.51 | Taube | tarzeau: o_O |
| 21:25.12 | sshock | Taube: well, if I plug my laptop running XP directly into the cable modem, it gets 6Mbps |
| 21:25.13 | tarzeau | Taube: because he is incomptent, doesn't give him the right to call windows stupid |
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| 21:25.24 | vert | tarzeau: i still get that error with bash -x and when i executed it as non root, it says i have to be root. |
| 21:25.33 | tarzeau | Taube: besides some free software projects could learn a few things from it |
| 21:25.54 | sshock | but behind my firewall, it gets like 2Mbps |
| 21:26.13 | sshock | I probably shouldn't complain, since that's still better than what it was doing before I switched MTU. It was only getting 300Kbps |
| 21:26.15 | Taube | tarzeau: yes |
| 21:26.16 | tarzeau | vert: are you root? |
| 21:26.27 | CAiRO | how can i find out which program takes my network bandwidth? |
| 21:26.32 | vert | yes |
| 21:26.34 | tarzeau | vert: man READ the fucking script, it's no 100 lines. of course you have to be root.... o_O |
| 21:26.40 | Taube | sshock: had never to change MTU |
| 21:26.48 | tarzeau | vert: read it, understand it, make it work, send patch |
| 21:26.55 | tarzeau | CAiRO: using iptraf/lsof |
| 21:26.57 | sshock | Taube: what? |
| 21:27.18 | Taube | sshock: running a gentoo-router - no client had ever to change the MTU setting |
| 21:27.38 | sshock | Oh, I never changed MTU on any clients; I changed MTU on eth0 and eth1 on my firewall |
| 21:27.39 | CAiRO | tarzeau: ah, yes, thanks a lot, iptraf :) |
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| 21:28.09 | Taube | sshock: well, never changed it anywhere :p |
| 21:28.16 | sshock | oh |
| 21:28.43 | sshock | Hmm, so I wonder why lowernig the MTU helped so much; I tried lowering it even more, but when I get too low nothing works |
| 21:28.58 | Taube | sshock: a download between your gateway and the windows is slow too? (without internet) |
| 21:29.24 | sshock | Taube: no, that goes really fast |
| 21:29.42 | sshock | That gets like 30Mbps |
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| 21:30.33 | toubsu | is there a hdparm type command for sata drives? |
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| 21:31.09 | pickcoder | sshock: it depends on the connection layer |
| 21:31.19 | sshock | pickcoder: what do you mean? |
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| 21:31.34 | pickcoder | sshock: PPPoE uses ethernet over ATM |
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| 21:31.54 | sshock | pickcoder: I don't think I'm connecting to PPPoE; is Comcast PPPoE? |
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| 21:32.15 | quintin | HI2U FRENDZ |
| 21:32.19 | sshock | Comcast should work fine with 1500MTU, no? |
| 21:32.25 | pickcoder | sshock: 1500 wastes a few packets, so if you trim the MTU down it won't was bandwidth with padded data blocks |
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| 21:32.33 | pickcoder | s/packets/bytes |
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| 21:32.54 | quintin | How do I grow a 6g partition to like 9g takin gover the empty space it is next to? |
| 21:32.54 | pickcoder | s/was/waste.. |
| 21:32.59 | pickcoder | I'm doing poorly today |
| 21:33.06 | abrotman | wasted ? |
| 21:33.13 | jelly | pickcoder: what do you mean, wastes a few bytes? |
| 21:33.23 | sshock | pickcoder: ok, trimming it down to 1412 helped a lot, as I mentioned earlier. Currently my linux desktops get the full 6Mbps download speed from the Internet, but windows clients only get 2Mbps |
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| 21:33.42 | Taube | quintin: gparted? |
| 21:33.47 | CAiRO | tarzeau: hmm, what do i do when netstat doesn't list the connection that iptraf shows? |
| 21:33.55 | sshock | Maybe I should just wipe windows and load linux onto all my desktops; but I won't have time for that right now |
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| 21:34.05 | tarzeau | CAiRO: run netstat with the right parameter at the right time? |
| 21:34.06 | jelly | pickcoder: explaining the encapsulation and packet fragmentation might help, your explanation sounds strange. |
| 21:34.28 | sshock | But I'm still curious why my laptop can get the full 6Mbps when I plug it directly into the cable modem, but not when it goes through my debian firewall |
| 21:34.31 | quintin | Taube: can I use that while the system is up? |
| 21:34.34 | pickcoder | jelly: I'm a bit strange |
| 21:34.35 | xst | I don't understand this: I've logged into a remote box through ssh with X-forwarding. In the ssh-window I write "firefox" and firefox correctly shows up on my local box. But the firefox settings belong, for some strange reason, to the user on the local box. Not the remote box from which it was launched. Can anyone explain this? |
| 21:34.44 | CAiRO | tarzeau: i've tried netstat -a -p and i've been looking for the remote host that iptraf shows but i can't find it |
| 21:34.47 | tarzeau | sshock: can you run a sniffer? |
| 21:35.03 | sshock | tarzeau: yes I can run ethereal; is that what you mean? |
| 21:35.04 | Taube | quintin: i didn't change any partitions for a long time - i think you have to unmount the disk |
| 21:35.09 | tarzeau | sshock: no |
| 21:35.09 | sshock | oh sorry, I mean wireshark |
| 21:35.16 | Aque0s | i have just plugged in a usb flashdrive ... how do i access it? |
| 21:35.28 | Taube | sshock: ethereal! :) |
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| 21:35.48 | tarzeau | CAiRO: well is it tcp or udp? what port? |
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| 21:35.58 | pickcoder | jelly: more correctly would be to say that space is used for protocol headers instead of data |
| 21:36.05 | tarzeau | CAiRO: check your process list, you have no idea which is doing this traffic? |
| 21:36.08 | Aque0s | i have just plugged in a usb flashdrive ... how do i access it? |
| 21:36.10 | sshock | CAiRO: netstat might be showing ports as names instead of numbers |
| 21:36.12 | cydork | !tell Aque0s about usb storage |
| 21:36.19 | tarzeau | Aque0s: mounted it already? |
| 21:36.26 | novalis_ | Hi, i have a server here which broke the aptitude upgrade process because the drive went full :-( what's the best action to take? aptitude -f dist-upgrade would be my next choice... |
| 21:36.36 | CAiRO | tcp and the remote port is "www", so i've been looking for www or 80 in netstats output |
| 21:36.38 | sshock | So how exactly would I debug this by using a sniffer? |
| 21:36.41 | dserban | novalis_: rm -rf / |
| 21:36.45 | CAiRO | and as the remote port is www, i assume its tcp traffic |
| 21:36.48 | tarzeau | CAiRO: it's not www |
| 21:36.50 | cydork | whtf? |
| 21:36.51 | tarzeau | CAiRO: it's http |
| 21:36.53 | Aque0s | ummm... how do i install themodules |
| 21:37.02 | Taube | sshock: i would look if some packets get lost/dropped/unreplied |
| 21:37.04 | novalis_ | dserban, fu |
| 21:37.11 | dserban | novalis_: indeed :) |
| 21:37.12 | CAiRO | but iptraf shows "145.253.66.10:www" |
| 21:37.14 | jelly | pickcoder: well, it's being used - it's not wasted. |
| 21:37.16 | CAiRO | as remote address |
| 21:37.22 | sshock | Taube: you mean run a sniffer on my debian firewall, right? |
| 21:37.29 | pickcoder | jelly: if it's not used for data xfer then I consider it wasted |
| 21:37.30 | pickcoder | :P |
| 21:37.35 | dserban | novalis_: i'd aptitude clean first |
| 21:37.36 | cydork | Aque0s, they might be loaded just check /proc/partitions if you see anything new |
| 21:37.40 | tarzeau | CAiRO: oh right |
| 21:37.46 | novalis_ | dserban, yeah, did that |
| 21:37.50 | Aque0s | cydork |
| 21:37.52 | novalis_ | dserban, cleaned the drive |
| 21:37.55 | dserban | novalis_: so you have enough space? |
| 21:37.59 | dserban | oh just dist-upgrade again |
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| 21:38.01 | novalis_ | dserban, yes |
| 21:38.09 | Taube | sshock: i dont think you have a running X there and tethereal (twireshark?) isnt a good possibility to debug |
| 21:38.37 | pickcoder | sshock: find out what protocol your modem is using: pppoe or pppoa. If you have a modem with web config, it should be easy to spot. |
| 21:38.38 | novalis_ | dserban, will it fix the two unconfigured packages sitting around? |
| 21:38.41 | sshock | Taube: I do have X on there, but I would have to plug a mouse in |
| 21:39.00 | Taube | sshock: didnt install a vnc-module? |
| 21:39.00 | dserban | novalis_: from my experience, yep |
| 21:39.01 | pickcoder | sshock: if it's pppoe, then use DRTCP for windows to set your MTU to 1492 |
| 21:39.07 | pickcoder | pppoa should be fine @ 1500 |
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| 21:39.21 | sshock | pickcoder: ok, let me find that out; I think I can talk to my cable modem on 192.168.100.1 |
| 21:39.41 | owh | I'm running 'debsums -s' after a system crash. I get an error: "Reading from filehandle failed at /usr/bin/debsums line 266, <SUMS> line 17." - an strace reveals that it fails when opening /lib/udev/devices/net/tun -- any ideas? |
| 21:39.44 | sshock | pickcoder: what's DRTCP? |
| 21:39.51 | novalis_ | dserban, i will try... just wondered why a normal upgrade won't pick up the upgrade process again... when it broke, there were several packages to be upgraded |
| 21:39.53 | tarzeau | sshock: doctor TCP |
| 21:40.11 | JoyFM | is here anybody who an opengl desktop with nvidia and debian (sid) ? |
| 21:40.17 | tarzeau | JoyFM: yes |
| 21:40.20 | pickcoder | tarzeau: yeah.. that too.. :) |
| 21:40.28 | Taube | pickcoder, tarzeau: isn't that a workaround? |
| 21:40.33 | tarzeau | Taube: no |
| 21:40.46 | pickcoder | Taube: most things on windows are work-arounds |
| 21:40.48 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 21:40.55 | Taube | x-D |
| 21:40.57 | JoyFM | tarzeau, i'm dream is it that one day (or a lot of years :D) it will work for me too |
| 21:41.08 | JoyFM | so i'm searching for a working(!) howto |
| 21:41.13 | tarzeau | JoyFM: i use www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 21:41.21 | Taube | JoyFM: Gentoo + nvidia/glx/opengl |
| 21:41.35 | tarzeau | JoyFM: i run this for like 50 or so computers with nvidia cards, where they often get new kernels |
| 21:41.42 | pickcoder | you can edit your MTU and window sizes in the registry for each interface. Doctor TCP is a GUI tool that helps you do it. |
| 21:41.42 | JoyFM | Taube, i've spoken about debian |
| 21:41.59 | tarzeau | JoyFM: what's your lspci line for your nvidia card? |
| 21:42.06 | sshock | pickcoder: I don't see anything on my router web page that would indicate whether it's pppoe or pppoa |
| 21:42.11 | h3sp4wn | JoyFM: if you want aiglx working then you need nvidia-glx from experimental |
| 21:42.27 | JoyFM | <tarzeau> JoyFM: i run this for like 50 or so computers with nvidia cards, where they often get new kernels <- there some more peoble who told me "i had done this on a few systems" but it nerver worked for me |
| 21:42.29 | pickcoder | sshock: is it a cable modem or DSL? |
| 21:42.33 | sshock | cable modem |
| 21:42.44 | tarzeau | JoyFM: did you try my script? which kernel do you have? |
| 21:42.50 | pickcoder | the default 1500 should be fine |
| 21:43.00 | tarzeau | JoyFM: but what is the lspci line? |
| 21:43.09 | JoyFM | tarzeau, mom |
| 21:43.11 | sshock | yeah, I figure it should be fine, especially since I can plug my XP laptop directly into the cable modem and get full speed |
| 21:43.17 | tarzeau | JoyFM: you can use the script, replace kernel-source with linux-source |
| 21:43.24 | novalis_ | dserban, ok that worked ;) just wanted to make sure... this is a productive server, and it never happened to me before this way... |
| 21:43.34 | tarzeau | JoyFM: AND fix the 3 dots vs 4 dots in linux kernel version ... |
| 21:43.43 | JoyFM | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV25 [GeForce4 Ti 4200] (rev a3) |
| 21:43.52 | tarzeau | JoyFM: i've been too lazy to fix it. since we still run 2.4 kernels (but the morons added another dot lately) |
| 21:43.59 | tarzeau | JoyFM: wow NV25 only? |
| 21:44.09 | tarzeau | JoyFM: that's some older stuff? can you run bloboats really fast? |
| 21:44.28 | JoyFM | bloboats? |
| 21:44.29 | pickcoder | sshock: http://www.dslreports.com/tweaks |
| 21:44.31 | tarzeau | i've had 31, 33, 34 (or was that 44/43?) and G70 |
| 21:44.35 | JoyFM | i can run xgl very fast |
| 21:44.36 | tarzeau | JoyFM: try google |
| 21:44.47 | JoyFM | (via kororaa) |
| 21:44.51 | tarzeau | i can drink milk very fast |
| 21:45.02 | sshock | pickcoder: thanks, I'll try that |
| 21:45.15 | JoyFM | it's a Geforce 4 Ti 4200 |
| 21:45.15 | pickcoder | tarzeau: whole or 2% |
| 21:45.17 | cydork | not so sure about milk though |
| 21:45.21 | wckd_ | cydork: that was mine! |
| 21:45.30 | tarzeau | pickcoder: vollmilch? |
| 21:45.34 | JoyFM | my hardware is good enough to run that 3d thing smooth ;) |
| 21:45.34 | cydork | wckd_, :) |
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| 21:45.39 | wckd_ | <3 beer |
| 21:45.57 | quintin | all my disk space is gone =((( whyz?! :( |
| 21:46.07 | jelly | novalis_: if some package upgrades fail, do a "dpkg --configure -a" to configure the unpacked but not configured packages, and then a "apt-get -f install" to fix dependencies. After that, run apt-get upgrade again. If you used "aptitude upgrade" instead of "apt-get upgrade" it would do these things automagically, stopping short of rerunning the upgrade. |
| 21:46.16 | wckd_ | empty /var/log quintin_ |
| 21:46.17 | wckd_ | ? |
| 21:46.36 | quintin | wckd_: I can do that safely? Okie! |
| 21:46.36 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:46.36 | dpkg | -dmwaters- {global notice} Hi all! One of our staffer used brackets in a kline, and this caused the servers to crash. We're working on an immediate fix for this problem, and hopefully will have something as soon as possible. I'm very sorry for the interuptions that this has caused, and thank you all for your patience. |
| 21:46.51 | JoyFM | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver <- thats only a script to install the nvidia driver |
| 21:46.58 | tarzeau | JoyFM: yes that's right |
| 21:47.03 | tarzeau | JoyFM: did i claim anything else? |
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| 21:47.07 | chris_abyi | hi! |
| 21:47.15 | JoyFM | my drivers runs very well |
| 21:47.23 | tarzeau | JoyFM: so ? |
| 21:47.25 | chris_abyi | could anyone probably tell me how-to get the version number of my nvidia driver? |
| 21:47.30 | JoyFM | yes, of course |
| 21:47.41 | tarzeau | chris_abyi: strings the kernel module? |
| 21:47.44 | JoyFM | tarzeau, the normal nvidia script is so easy |
| 21:47.54 | tarzeau | JoyFM: i don't get your point/ |
| 21:47.56 | JoyFM | there is no problem in installing |
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| 21:48.02 | tarzeau | JoyFM: so? |
| 21:48.07 | JoyFM | tarzeau, do you ever heard about xgl or aiglx? |
| 21:48.10 | JoyFM | and compiz |
| 21:48.15 | tarzeau | JoyFM: yes? |
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| 21:48.33 | JoyFM | so i want to use aiglx/xgl with compiz |
| 21:48.38 | JoyFM | so the problem is installing that |
| 21:48.39 | tarzeau | JoyFM: so? |
| 21:48.41 | JoyFM | not the driver |
| 21:48.48 | chris_abyi | tarzeau: pardon? |
| 21:48.58 | tarzeau | 23:40 < JoyFM> is here anybody who an opengl desktop with nvidia and debian (sid) ? |
| 21:48.59 | novalis_ | jelly, ok thanks for the advice. That was my first broken package in an update-process on Sarge... and it was my fault :P I like Debian |
| 21:49.04 | chris_abyi | tarzeau: I used the native nvidia glx driver |
| 21:49.05 | tarzeau | JoyFM: your original question wasn't like that |
| 21:49.13 | chris_abyi | and want to get the actual version which is installed |
| 21:49.18 | tarzeau | JoyFM: but ok, i don't care for aiglx/xgl with compiz |
| 21:49.30 | jelly | novalis_: yeah, things like that shouldn't happen in stable. |
| 21:49.38 | JoyFM | is here anybody who an opengl [accelated] desktop with nvidia and debian (sid) ? |
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| 21:49.48 | quintin | Ok, my bittorrent client is supposed to write things to /share , but I am thinking it is writing temporary stuff somewhere, cuase all my disk space is gone, and I had 2G free earlier today ... |
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| 21:50.25 | raf256 | oh my god |
| 21:50.27 | JoyFM | sorry i didn't said in the right way :D |
| 21:50.38 | raf256 | aliens opened a trans-warp gate to our dimension! |
| 21:50.40 | sshock | thanks everyone for your help; I'll try some more stuff and then I may be back for more questions |
| 21:50.41 | raf256 | http://googlesightseeing.com/maps?p=1080&c=&t=k&hl=en&ll=52.521653,5.732932&z=19 |
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| 21:50.47 | novalis_ | jelly, right ;) well, thanks again and good night from berlin |
| 21:50.56 | sshock | I have a feeling if I can get my firewall to work right with 1500 MTU, then windows clients will start working |
| 21:51.02 | tarzeau | raf256: wasn't that on /. like 8 hours ago? |
| 21:51.10 | jelly | novalis_: sleep well! |
| 21:51.14 | raf256 | tarzeau: was it? damn |
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| 21:51.47 | Taube | raf256: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&t=k&q=Germany&ie=UTF8&z=18&ll=48.857699,10.205451&spn=0.002404,0.006738&om=1 |
| 21:51.53 | quintin | pfft /. is for idiots |
| 21:51.58 | tarzeau | raf256: but this is nice: The GIF Format is Finally Patent-Free |
| 21:52.00 | tarzeau | quintin: bullshit |
| 21:52.05 | tarzeau | quintin: you are the idiot |
| 21:52.09 | raf256 | tarzeau: cool |
| 21:52.20 | raf256 | Taube: what the fuck is that? |
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| 21:52.34 | Yahovah | raf256, A bug. |
| 21:52.38 | pickcoder | GIF is patent free?? |
| 21:52.43 | raf256 | no shit, lol |
| 21:52.44 | Taube | raf256: a killer bug ;) |
| 21:52.44 | tarzeau | pickcoder: yes |
| 21:52.50 | raf256 | ok, but what is it SERIOUSLY |
| 21:53.00 | pickcoder | that means it's been around for what.. 3000 years? |
| 21:53.07 | JoyFM | so no one uses a opengl accelated desktop? |
| 21:53.11 | Taube | raf256: its a bug scanned between foto and scanner-hardware |
| 21:53.12 | tarzeau | pickcoder: actually only one compression of it was, not the format uncompressed |
| 21:53.23 | pickcoder | oh |
| 21:53.24 | tarzeau | pickcoder: and unlike most people think, it can do more than 256 colors |
| 21:53.26 | raf256 | hardware bug you might say |
| 21:53.40 | tarzeau | pickcoder: and there was no great other format to replace animations |
| 21:53.41 | Taube | raf256: yes, a real old good-old-times hardware bug |
| 21:53.45 | raf256 | and that warp gate was... reflection of windows/roof-window/solar-batery? |
| 21:53.51 | tarzeau | pickcoder: that's why there's gimp and gifsicle and some other tools |
| 21:54.06 | tarzeau | raf256: remember the brown paper bag device? |
| 21:54.16 | jelly | Taube: nice touch, who found it? |
| 21:54.16 | raf256 | tarzeau: hmm.. no |
| 21:54.20 | tarzeau | raf256: www.linuks.mine.nu/timetravel.txt |
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| 21:54.30 | Taube | jelly: got it from a friend |
| 21:54.36 | raf256 | ok seriously what is up with the "portla" :P |
| 21:55.03 | cydork | jelly, it was on digg today or was that reddit |
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| 21:57.50 | quintin | so, /home/quintin /var and /tmp are not taking up a lot of space .... any idea what is? :(9 |
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| 22:00.57 | vin` | quintin: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ShellTricks#head-76c8c679a9818fcf17d94c9401634020519116bd |
| 22:01.26 | Taube | Someone knows how i can tell my KDE to standby my monitor after locking the session? |
| 22:01.36 | tarzeau | maybe #debian-kde |
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| 22:01.55 | dondelelcaro | Taube: xscreesaver will do that for you, FE; if you have dpms it'll do it too |
| 22:02.17 | tarzeau | and if the video driver supports it |
| 22:02.21 | tarzeau | (vesa doesn't) |
| 22:02.25 | Taube | dondelelcaro: i found a bash-command, but how to tell KDE to do that - where is the docking station for my command? |
| 22:02.27 | dondelelcaro | Taube: you could also change the locking command to run xset dpms force off; |
| 22:02.30 | quintin | vin`: *steeples fingers* Excellent. |
| 22:02.49 | Taube | dondelelcaro: where can i find the current locking-command-setting? |
| 22:02.55 | dondelelcaro | Taube: dunno; I don't use kde. |
| 22:03.23 | chris_alt | hey..anyone here ever tried to play doom 3 and got such an error? (nvidia geforce 7800gt) WARNING: vertex array range in virtual memory (SLOW) |
| 22:03.23 | chris_alt | signal caught: Segmentation fault |
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| 22:05.44 | sanabriamusic | how do i update my hardware drivers |
| 22:06.00 | quintin | Ok, my torrent client was not really saving things on a different partition... . screwy |
| 22:06.07 | quintin | 2.9G free now hm |
| 22:06.29 | sanabriamusic | wow that suck |
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| 22:06.44 | quintin | what sucks |
| 22:06.46 | quintin | you suck! |
| 22:06.49 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 22:07.00 | sanabriamusic | to think ur saving things and are not |
| 22:07.07 | pickcoder | chris_alt: what is your X color depth? |
| 22:07.43 | sanabriamusic | tarantino, how do i update my hardware drivers |
| 22:07.46 | quintin | oh yea |
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| 22:08.13 | tziku | what is the last version of kernel ? |
| 22:08.17 | Aque0s | can sum1 please tell me how i can access my usb flashstick i have debian 3.1 |
| 22:08.20 | jetx | !cydork++ |
| 22:08.23 | quintin | the client kept saying it was downloading... weird... have to mount the share properly. not an issue though, have 12mBp/s take no time to get it back |
| 22:08.23 | evilbulgarian | hi, how do i ssh to a ssh server on a different port |
| 22:08.33 | evilbulgarian | ssh -pXXX server.com ? |
| 22:08.35 | quintin | Aque0s: plug it in? |
| 22:08.41 | sanabriamusic | my cds play music fine...but if i hear sound from a webpage it just makes noise |
| 22:08.49 | Aque0s | and then quintin? |
| 22:08.49 | quintin | evilbulgarian: man ssh |
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| 22:09.09 | quintin | Aque0s: duh.... hell I don't know. mount /dev/usb ~/usb or osmething =) |
| 22:09.10 | sanabriamusic | and also my display is only 640 res |
| 22:09.43 | Aque0s | how tyhe fuck do i do that |
| 22:09.53 | chris_alt | pickcoder: wait a second, ILl see (but in glxinfo, i got 24bpp available) |
| 22:10.43 | quintin | Anyone know off the top of their head what ext3 is in cfdisk? what number ..? |
| 22:10.49 | pickcoder | Aque0s: dmesg | grep usb |
| 22:10.58 | Aque0s | HUH?!?!? |
| 22:10.59 | pickcoder | Aque0s: find out what SCSI device it's taking |
| 22:11.10 | pickcoder | Aque0s: then mount it, based on the file system that's on it |
| 22:11.13 | Aque0s | how?!?!?!?!"!?!?! :'( |
| 22:11.22 | Aque0s | i know its fat32 |
| 22:11.25 | quintin | Aque0s: Dude search google it's not hard |
| 22:11.41 | bwlang | Aque0s:There's not call to get beligerant... pickcoder just told you exactly what to do ... |
| 22:11.58 | chris_alt | pickcoder: any clue how-to change my color depth in gnome? |
| 22:12.04 | quintin | bwlang: belligerent means warlike. he's not being belligerent, he's being a baby :P |
| 22:12.04 | Aque0s | i didnt understand i word he said |
| 22:12.07 | me_here | quintin: you mean 083=ext3 082=ext2 for partition type ? |
| 22:12.20 | pickcoder | chris_alt: you should be able to go into desktop settings and change it |
| 22:12.25 | quintin | me_here: yea sure. but 82 is linux swap.. |
| 22:12.44 | pickcoder | chris_alt: if 24 isn't listed, then you'll need to reconfigure X to support the 24-bit resolutions |
| 22:12.57 | cydork | jetx, huh? it worked? |
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| 22:13.06 | bwlang | quintin: now you're being beligerant... the how to fuck do i do that in combination with the hyperbolic use of punctuation qualifies as belligerant in my book |
| 22:13.29 | quintin | bwlang: it doesn't in mine. So fuck you!! Buy a dictionary. |
| 22:14.19 | pickcoder | Aque0s: stop flooding me in /msg |
| 22:14.29 | pickcoder | Aque0s: apt-get install usbmount |
| 22:14.37 | Aque0s | THANK YOU |
| 22:14.49 | quintin | Aque0s: If you search google for something like "mount usb linux" without quotes you should be able to figure it out. type "dmesg | grep" like you were told to see if the kernel is seeing your usb thingie |
| 22:14.50 | jetx | cydork: no idea |
| 22:15.05 | jetx | :) |
| 22:15.11 | cydork | heh :P |
| 22:15.12 | jetx | ahlunch |
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| 22:15.46 | ogu | hi |
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| 22:15.56 | exalted | Could i know when is the GNOME 2.16 transation is planned for Unstable? |
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| 22:16.30 | Aque0s | pickcoder |
| 22:16.30 | ogu | i have a server, when restarting the network via init.d/networking i get followig error, but the network is working |
| 22:16.31 | ogu | SIOCDELRT: No such process |
| 22:16.43 | chris_alt | pickcoder...I got several lines like this by glxinfo: 0x6a 24 dc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 4 16 0 16 16 16 16 2 1 Ncon... so 24bpp shouldn't be the problem I guess. |
| 22:16.53 | Aque0s | i have gotten the stuff... now from what dir can i access the drive? |
| 22:17.01 | ogu | has anyone a solution to fix "SIOCDELRT: No such process" |
| 22:17.14 | ogu | i think he cannot remove "old" routes, correct ? |
| 22:17.48 | pickcoder | chris_alt: all I've read about points to not being in 24 bit depth |
| 22:17.51 | Aque0s | pickcoder: i have gotten the stuff... now from what dir can i access the drive? |
| 22:18.04 | pickcoder | chris_alt: it could be a driver error too, but I don't run 3D games on Linux |
| 22:18.17 | chris_alt | pickcoder: ok :) thanks, anyway. |
| 22:18.17 | chris_alt | :) |
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| 22:18.42 | jetx | exalted: nobody knows |
| 22:19.01 | jetx | !wir |
| 22:19.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 22:19.13 | exalted | jetx, No plans about it; maybe to track what packages are ready to get into and so on? |
| 22:19.16 | pickcoder | Aque0s: /media/usb/ |
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| 22:19.32 | pickcoder | Aque0s: mount will tell you what's mounted |
| 22:19.44 | jetx | exalted: yeah i believe there is such a page/place... |
| 22:19.51 | exalted | jetx, but dunno where? |
| 22:19.57 | exalted | jetx, hmmm |
| 22:20.05 | Trewas | exalted: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.16-status.html |
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| 22:20.19 | exalted | Trewas, ty |
| 22:20.28 | jetx | thar you go... i knew somebody was smarter than me |
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| 22:21.10 | Kassah | what software generates /dev/random? and is there a way to specify a second location to output to? |
| 22:21.25 | pickcoder | Kassah: the kernel does, if I'm not mistaken |
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| 22:21.42 | Kassah | is there a way to tell it to output it to a second location for a chroot? |
| 22:22.34 | Aque0s | pickcodde |
| 22:22.37 | Aque0s | pickcoder |
| 22:22.52 | exalted | Trewas, jetx; well doesn't seems really bad; i'd give it a couple of months! :D |
| 22:22.58 | Aque0s | my graphics is like in 5 colors..... what can i do to fix it? |
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| 22:23.44 | ogu | somebody any idea to fix "SIOCDELRT: No such process" |
| 22:23.45 | Trewas | exalted: a couple of weeks might be enough :) |
| 22:23.55 | ogu | this comes when restarting the network |
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| 22:23.59 | ogu | but network is working |
| 22:24.00 | exalted | Trewas, i desperately hope so! :D |
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| 22:24.38 | pickcoder | Kassah: I dunno. I've never needed /dev/random in a chroot |
| 22:25.01 | pickcoder | Aque0s: CTRL-ALT and hit the + on the number pad |
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| 22:26.51 | anykey | Hi. I still got that nfs problem (program/version mismatch). I tried to google this out, to no avail. is there anything more I can do? |
| 22:27.33 | Kassah | if only scp worked without it *grumbles* |
| 22:27.54 | anykey | this is not really an option... |
| 22:28.02 | pickcoder | Kassah: sftp? |
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| 22:29.41 | pickcoder | Kassah: mknod /chroot/<mydir>/dev/random c 1 8 |
| 22:29.55 | PenguinOfDoom | How come downloading pdiffs is still the default for apt-get in testing? |
| 22:29.59 | Taube | anykey: "that problem"? |
| 22:30.05 | Trewas | Kassah: does it need it for anything except for key generation? and is that a problem for some reason |
| 22:30.07 | pickcoder | Kassah: c 1 3 for null |
| 22:30.45 | Trewas | Kassah: sorry, I should have read the previous lines :) |
| 22:31.05 | anykey | Taube: I try to mount an nfs share exported by my Fileserver using mount... it gives me an RPC Error 9 (Program/Version Mismatch) everytime. Well, both machine run 2.6 and NFS4 |
| 22:31.14 | Aque0s | pickcoder |
| 22:31.29 | Aque0s | pickcoder: the usbmount thing doesnt make a difference |
| 22:31.59 | anykey | Taube: The one is an SGI Indy with Debian Etch, the other is a regular x86 with Arch on it. I dont know where that problem comes from. |
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| 22:32.20 | Taube | anykey: well - no idea :( my nfs works - my only thought is to look at kernel messages /dmesg/logfiles |
| 22:32.25 | pickcoder | Aque0s: be specific in your questions if you want someone to help |
| 22:32.29 | Aque0s | pickcoder: and Ctrl+Alt++ doesnt work either |
| 22:32.42 | evilbulgarian | hi, im trying to setup a telnet server what packages do i need and where is to configs to enable logins using telnet ( i know its insecure) |
| 22:32.52 | anykey | Taube: I did. absolutely nothing aside that message about a version mismatch. |
| 22:33.05 | pickcoder | Aque0s: which version of debian are you running? |
| 22:33.10 | Aque0s | 3.1 |
| 22:33.16 | anykey | Taube: Well it *doesnt* tell me *what* exactly mismatches |
| 22:33.19 | pickcoder | Aque0s: do you have X.org? |
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| 22:33.29 | Aque0s | what does that mean? |
| 22:33.34 | Taube | anykey: looks like a windows error message :p |
| 22:33.57 | anykey | Taube: No, that'd be "It doesnt work [OK] [Cancel] [Reboot]" |
| 22:34.12 | Gnea | Aque0s: what version of X are you running? |
| 22:34.23 | Aque0s | umm.. whats X? |
| 22:35.09 | Gnea | Oh, you're running debian in console mode? |
| 22:35.18 | Aque0s | no... gui |
| 22:35.25 | Aque0s | gnome |
| 22:35.40 | Gnea | ok, X is the underlying daemon that provides the gui/gnome |
| 22:35.55 | Aque0s | ok... how do i check my version? |
| 22:36.29 | DarkCow | I know it's going to be "when it's ready", but does anyone know on what sort of timescale we're looking at for debian etch to be declared stable? |
| 22:36.47 | Aque0s | and could sum1 please explain how to get a nromal usb flashdisk working on debian 3.1 and how to access it |
| 22:36.52 | pickcoder | DarkCow: last I read it was Dec 2006 |
| 22:36.55 | DarkCow | okay |
| 22:37.00 | DarkCow | wonderful |
| 22:37.01 | stew | !wwer |
| 22:37.02 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html |
| 22:37.17 | stew | DarkCow: you are looking for that last url |
| 22:37.19 | pickcoder | stew: then they need to remove the release notice from news |
| 22:37.21 | pickcoder | :P |
| 22:37.26 | DarkCow | okay |
| 22:37.34 | stew | pickcoder: which news? |
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| 22:37.42 | pickcoder | hrm |
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| 22:37.51 | Aque0s | and could sum1 please explain how to get a nromal usb flashdisk working on debian 3.1 and how to access it |
| 22:37.58 | stew | Aque0s: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 22:38.05 | Gnea | Aque0s: please do not repeat. |
| 22:38.15 | Aque0s | soz |
| 22:38.16 | Gnea | Aque0s: what is the result of ls -al /etc/X11/*.conf |
| 22:38.26 | stew | ? |
| 22:38.29 | MtJB | anybody know how to send a fax using the hplip driver for an hp officejet? i can't find hp-toolkit for debian, and i think it is needed to run a program before fax will work |
| 22:38.39 | pickcoder | http://www.debian.org/News/2006/ |
| 22:38.43 | Aque0s | stew |
| 22:38.46 | pickcoder | there's no mention of a freeze on Etch there |
| 22:38.59 | Aque0s | u know the /msg dpkg usb-storage thing.... i dont have any idea how to do any of that |
| 22:39.23 | stew | pickcoder: there isn't a freeze date set yet |
| 22:39.34 | Gnea | !usb mount |
| 22:39.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usb mount is script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00308.html, or apt-get install usbmount |
| 22:39.37 | stew | dpkg: tell Aque0s about usb storage |
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| 22:40.08 | Aque0s | Gnea |
| 22:40.17 | pickcoder | ok |
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| 22:40.25 | Aque0s | Gnea: i have installed usbmount |
| 22:40.38 | Gnea | and? |
| 22:40.40 | pickcoder | Aque0s: your USB stick is in /media/usb/ |
| 22:40.45 | Aque0s | nope |
| 22:40.51 | stew | Aque0s: are you a gnome user? |
| 22:40.51 | pickcoder | Aque0s: then it's not formatted for Linux |
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| 22:40.59 | Gnea | stew: yes, he said he is |
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| 22:41.07 | pickcoder | Aque0s: or it can't figure out what filesystem is on it |
| 22:41.17 | stew | Aque0s: if you are a gnome user, install gnome-volume-manager and it should be automounted for you |
| 22:41.24 | Aque0s | its fat32...... |
| 22:41.26 | Gnea | pickcoder: either it's not formatted or usbmount isn't setup right |
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| 22:41.44 | pickcoder | Gnea: I have an ext2 stick and it worked just fine without any tinkering |
| 22:41.46 | Aque0s | is it apt-get install gnome-volume-manager |
| 22:41.51 | stew | Gnea: if he is a gnome user, why usbmount instead of gnome-volume-manager? |
| 22:41.56 | stew | Aque0s: it is |
| 22:42.02 | Gnea | pickcoder: ext2 on a usb stick? dumb, but whatever |
| 22:42.03 | Aque0s | kk, THX :) |
| 22:42.15 | n3kl | anyone know how to get rid of the --MARK-- in my syslogs |
| 22:42.19 | stew | Gnea: why is that dumb? |
| 22:42.26 | n3kl | I thought it was -m0 |
| 22:42.29 | n3kl | or simething like that |
| 22:42.35 | stew | n3kl: /msg dpkg MARK |
| 22:42.37 | Gnea | stew: lack of speed |
| 22:42.43 | n3kl | but where do I put ut |
| 22:42.49 | stew | Gnea: what do you recommend instead? |
| 22:42.52 | pickcoder | Gnea: it's a USB stick.. not a hard drive |
| 22:42.55 | pickcoder | I don't care about speed |
| 22:43.01 | Gnea | oh, fat16 or fat32 works just fine here |
| 22:43.01 | pickcoder | thus ext2 |
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| 22:43.09 | stew | Gnea: lack of permissions |
| 22:43.23 | Gnea | pickcoder: would you put ext2 on a floppy disk instead of fat? |
| 22:43.33 | Gnea | stew: granted |
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| 22:43.50 | pickcoder | Gnea: if it was only for Linux, yes |
| 22:44.03 | Aque0s | Gnea: it says i already have the lastest version |
| 22:44.04 | Gnea | pickcoder: have you ever put ext2 on a floppy disk? |
| 22:44.16 | Gnea | Aque0s: try what stew suggested with the gnome-volume-manager |
| 22:44.19 | pickcoder | Gnea: no, I have no need for floppies |
| 22:44.30 | stew | Aque0s: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:44.30 | karsten | Any ideas why cramfstools and initrd-tools would be removed on a system update? |
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| 22:44.41 | karsten | ... and how do I show what's depending on them? |
| 22:44.41 | Aque0s | Gnea: it says i already have the lastest version of gnome-volume-manager |
| 22:44.47 | h3sp4wn | I would never use fat / fat32 - doesn't handle case properly (floppy / usbdisk / usb harddrive) |
| 22:44.48 | Gnea | pickcoder: :) |
| 22:45.43 | Gnea | h3sp4wn: i would prefer not to either, but unfortunately it's more of a compatibility issue |
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| 22:46.18 | karsten | erm. cramfsprogs. |
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| 22:46.53 | Aque0s | stew: uname -r says 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 22:46.57 | stew | karsten: what version of debian? how are you upgrading |
| 22:47.18 | karsten | stew: testing/unstable, aptitude, interactive. |
| 22:47.19 | stew | Aque0s: oh, gnomme-volume-manager depends on udev, which (i believe) requires a 2.6 kernel |
| 22:47.38 | Aque0s | stew: how do i upgrade? |
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| 22:47.53 | pickcoder | bbl |
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| 22:48.10 | stew | karsten: they might be automatically installed and now they are being removed becuase nothing uses them anymore? in testingn/unstable, yaird, or initramfs-tools is used instead of mkinitrd |
| 22:48.16 | stew | Aque0s: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 22:48.16 | boodie | aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 22:48.44 | karsten | stew: yaird's not installed ... |
| 22:48.52 | stew | karsten: initramfs-tools probably is then |
| 22:48.56 | karsten | stew: ... and isn't going to be installed. |
| 22:49.09 | karsten | stew: Requires seems to be initrd-tools. |
| 22:49.26 | karsten | stew: Bingo! Thanks. |
| 22:49.30 | stew | karsten: debian kernel images no longer uses cramfs, they use gzipped cpio ramdisks instead |
| 22:49.40 | stew | (in testing/unstable) |
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| 22:49.59 | karsten | stew: Yeah. I've noticed. |
| 22:50.10 | karsten | stew: I don't particularly care for that change. Any ideas why? |
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| 22:51.38 | jelly | karsten: who cares really, as long as they work...? |
| 22:51.56 | karsten | jelly: It's easier to troubleshoot a filesystem-based approach. |
| 22:52.02 | karsten | jelly: Mount, examine. |
| 22:52.08 | Aque0s | im off |
| 22:52.16 | Aque0s | c ya all 2moz |
| 22:52.17 | jelly | karsten: unpack, examine? |
| 22:52.18 | karsten | jelly: With CPIO I've got to unarchive the thing, remember the !@#$%^&*() syntax, etc. |
| 22:52.32 | karsten | Aque0s: You're not off, you always smell like that. |
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| 22:52.42 | jelly | karsten: I mean it's pretty much the same. |
| 22:52.43 | stew | karsten: its cpio -i and cpio -o, its not too hard |
| 22:52.56 | karsten | stew: Do you know how often I use cpio? |
| 22:53.13 | karsten | stew: Maybe I'm just old and crotchety. |
| 22:53.14 | stew | 42? |
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| 22:53.20 | karsten | stew: Bingo! |
| 22:53.40 | karsten | stew: Oh no, not again. |
| 22:53.43 | n3kl | is there a better nvidia benchmark than glxgears? |
| 22:53.57 | karsten | n3kl: That's pretty much the standard. |
| 22:54.12 | stew | n3kl: you can make glxgears go faster by making the window smaller |
| 22:54.32 | karsten | n3kl: ... at least for informal tests. There's probably a whole slew of graphics benchmarking, check Tom's Hardware for articles. |
| 22:54.40 | stew | !glxgears |
| 22:54.41 | karsten | stew: Use default res. |
| 22:54.41 | dpkg | i heard glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
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| 22:54.52 | stew | karsten: how do i know what that is :) |
| 22:54.59 | karsten | stew: No args. |
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| 22:55.08 | jelly | glxgears is about as useful as bogomips |
| 22:55.08 | stew | karsten: my window manager will make it full screen |
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| 22:55.33 | n3kl | jelly: it tells me weather my graphics driver is working properly |
| 22:55.36 | n3kl | thats all |
| 22:55.56 | jelly | n3kl: I agree |
| 22:55.58 | n3kl | anyone have any idea why sometimes when I restart the machine I have to reinstall my nvidia drivers? |
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| 22:56.09 | karsten | stew: What WM? |
| 22:56.13 | stew | ion3 |
| 22:56.22 | levander | Anybody here is using emacs' tramp mode to open files via sudo? I can't figure out how to get it to work. |
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| 22:56.24 | stew | oh i could put it on a floating desktop |
| 22:56.24 | karsten | stew: Try twm or somewot. |
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| 22:56.55 | stew | karsten: i tried twm in college, it was lacking in features |
| 22:56.56 | stew | :P |
| 22:57.17 | n3kl | stew: fvwm |
| 22:57.30 | stew | i tried that, it reminded me of twm |
| 22:57.38 | n3kl | fluxbox |
| 22:57.43 | stew | i'm pretty happy with ion3 |
| 22:57.55 | kozmic | Windows Vista ftw |
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| 22:58.05 | jelly | ratpoison! |
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| 22:58.29 | n3kl | stew: talk about lacking in features |
| 22:58.42 | HELPDEB | hi, i by mistake change the CHMOD of /home. how can i turn it back, no one of my user can log anymore |
| 22:59.08 | karsten | stew: It's useful for quick WM/X11 tests. Light and minimal. |
| 22:59.30 | karsten | stew: ... it's also been markedly extended. I know people who use it in pretty boggling ways. Not that I'm one of them. |
| 22:59.43 | karsten | stew: Not telling you to switch, just that it's a decent testbed. |
| 22:59.55 | stew | yeah, i know |
| 23:00.30 | jelly | HELPDEB: log in as root from the text console, then do "chmod 755 /home" |
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| 23:04.46 | deadcat | isnt this how you merge dvd data? groisofs -M /dev/dvd -R -J blah.iso blah2.iso ? i get this error: mkisofs: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/fd/3'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 23:04.48 | slacktyro | i need to have the snd-hda-intel module to install the driver of my audio card, how can i do that? |
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| 23:07.22 | jetscreamer | modprobe it slacktyro |
| 23:07.33 | jetscreamer | modpromg snd-blahblah |
| 23:07.38 | jetscreamer | err modprobe |
| 23:07.58 | slacktyro | jetscreamer: it say i don't have this module |
| 23:08.05 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:08.11 | jetscreamer | slacktyro: newer kernel then |
| 23:08.18 | jetscreamer | sarge? |
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| 23:09.19 | slacktyro | jetscreamer: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 23:09.26 | slacktyro | i don't know if it's sarge |
| 23:09.29 | jetscreamer | slacktyro: yeah it's probably not in that |
| 23:09.38 | woodgrain | nautilus takes about 1-1/2 minutes to open this directory I just chmodded. what could be happening? |
| 23:09.46 | jetscreamer | and it 'probably is unless you upgraded to etch and didn't install a new kernel |
| 23:09.51 | jetscreamer | ' |
| 23:10.06 | slacktyro | jetscreamer: what shoud i do? |
| 23:10.39 | jetscreamer | slacktyro: there's backports, and/or there's upgrading to etch (which imo every desktop might wanna be on instead of sarge but i didn't say that) |
| 23:11.06 | jelly | jetscreamer: you didn't just say that |
| 23:11.34 | jetscreamer | say what |
| 23:11.34 | slacktyro | jetscreamer: i really don't know what do do |
| 23:11.36 | jelly | exactly |
| 23:11.51 | jetscreamer | slacktyro: if it was me, i would upgrade to etch. but that's me. |
| 23:12.17 | jetscreamer | slacktyro: or you could do the backport thing maybe |
| 23:12.20 | jetscreamer | if they do kernels |
| 23:12.29 | jelly | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 23:12.30 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
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| 23:12.59 | jetscreamer | well there's a sarge installer backport so i guess they do |
| 23:13.42 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
| 23:13.49 | MatBoy | strange question for here maybe, but we can't figure it out in #thunderbird.... does someone know if you can use the Automatic Download option for specific files in Options => Attachements ? It seems to be half working |
| 23:14.52 | jetscreamer | !sarge->etch |
| 23:15.03 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
| 23:20.39 | stew | oooh did that blootbot bug get fixed \*/ |
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| 23:20.40 | slacktyro | jetscreamer: i tried to do that but when i try apt-get 2.6.16-2-386 it give error |
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| 23:20.42 | jelly | slacktyro: it didn't say 386, it said "one of 486 686 k7". |
| 23:20.42 | jetscreamer | uh |
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| 23:20.43 | jetscreamer | slacktyro: what kind of processor is in your computer btw |
| 23:20.44 | slacktyro | jelly i know, i'm just put that in short sentence |
| 23:20.44 | slacktyro | pentium 3.0ghz |
| 23:20.46 | jelly | I tried to do just apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 yesterday and it was nontrivial, but I didn't follow the above and just tried to install the kernel package. |
| 23:20.46 | jetscreamer | slacktyro: but you typed -386 and 386 wasn't an option... you want a -686 btw |
| 23:20.46 | jelly | slacktyro: choose -686. |
| 23:20.47 | slacktyro | i receive this msg "Some packages could not be installed.... |
| 23:20.48 | jelly | slacktyro: paste the complete output into a paster. |
| 23:20.48 | slacktyro | ok |
| 23:20.48 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 23:20.48 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 23:20.48 | jelly | jetscreamer: you think a dist-upgrade would "just work"? :-) |
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| 23:20.49 | jetscreamer | moi? i'd never consider suggesting such a thing |
| 23:20.49 | jetscreamer | winkwink |
| 23:20.49 | jetscreamer | nudgenudge |
| 23:20.49 | jelly | jetscreamer: I guess it would amount to at least the same amount of work as installing the (slightly broken) backport packages. |
| 23:20.49 | slacktyro | http://paste.lisp.org/display/27058 |
| 23:20.49 | jelly | uuhh |
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| 23:21.08 | jetscreamer | slacktyro: add the word busybox to your apt-get line perhaps |
| 23:21.15 | jelly | slacktyro: try this: instead of "udev initramfs-tools" put "yaird" into that command line. |
| 23:21.22 | jetscreamer | yeah yaird is better |
| 23:21.30 | jetscreamer | and doesn't require udev |
| 23:21.34 | jetscreamer | which is a plus |
| 23:22.04 | jetscreamer | you can still add busybox though |
| 23:22.12 | jetscreamer | if you'd like |
| 23:22.40 | jelly | jetscreamer: it just that stupid linux-image-* depend on initramfs-tools | yaird, instead of the other way round, and this brings udev along. |
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| 23:22.54 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 23:23.02 | jetscreamer | i had to find out by trial and error |
| 23:23.04 | slacktyro | Package busybox has no installation candidate |
| 23:23.15 | MatBoy | jelly, what's the problem ? |
| 23:23.17 | jetscreamer | ok just change udev and that other to yaird |
| 23:23.22 | stew | jetscreamer: yaird is better? why? |
| 23:23.26 | jelly | MatBoy: I hate udev. |
| 23:23.34 | jetscreamer | because it doesn't depend on udev |
| 23:23.39 | MatBoy | jelly, yeah, it cost me a reinstall :P |
| 23:23.52 | stew | jetscreamer: its no longer being developed and is likely to stagnate, however |
| 23:24.10 | jetscreamer | by that time etch will be stable i would guess |
| 23:24.18 | MatBoy | jelly, or it was mdadm... but I got messages that it could have been both :P |
| 23:24.38 | jelly | stew: still, forcing udev on an unsuspecting user is just nasty. I'd rather have an obsolete mkinitrd. |
| 23:24.59 | jetscreamer | stew let me try to explain just how much udev/initramfs-tools fuxored me... ok i won't go into that AGAIN |
| 23:25.07 | stew | jelly: well, get used to it, the etch installer will be leaving lots of users in here with udev |
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| 23:25.20 | floundering | Hi, in a sarge console, the standard emacs keybindings (such as C-M-%) do not all work. everything works fine under X however, is there a way to achieve a more consistent interface? |
| 23:25.44 | jetscreamer | stew let me rephrase |
| 23:25.57 | jelly | stew: imo udev isn't suitable for production. |
| 23:25.59 | jetscreamer | stew let me try to explain just how much the DEBIAN IMPLEMENTATION ofudev/initramfs-tools fuxored me... ok i won't go into that AGAIN |
| 23:26.10 | jetscreamer | seriously |
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| 23:26.17 | jetscreamer | suse and kanotix had no problem |
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| 23:27.09 | enouf | jetscreamer: were you running etch or sarge at that time? |
| 23:27.11 | stew | enouf: he was running etch |
| 23:27.17 | stew | (or sid) |
| 23:27.18 | Kurt | On the field, from Lexington, Kentucky, performing their 2004 program "Journey through the Sands: Music from 'The Mummy'", Drum Corps International is proud to present...SOUTHWIND! |
| 23:27.22 | jetscreamer | enouf: it was sid... i'd been compiling my own kernels for a while... decided to try a stock one |
| 23:27.22 | stew | initramfs-tools isn't in sarge |
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| 23:28.14 | stew | floundering: try "loadkeys -q /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/emacs.kmap.gz" or maybe emacs2.kmap.gz |
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| 23:28.47 | stew | floundering: if that doens't make things better, "/etc/init.d/keymap.sh restart" will revert the keymap. if that does work, update /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz to point to that emacs.kmap.gz |
| 23:28.56 | jetscreamer | this was back around 2.6.13 or so , new insid |
| 23:28.58 | enouf | ok guys - I was thinking perhaps it reared it's ugliness during a transitional upgrade from sarge->etch or etch->sid .. but whatever - and thanks for the initramfs-tools info stew |
| 23:29.03 | jetscreamer | in sid |
| 23:29.21 | jetscreamer | maybe .15 |
| 23:29.42 | floundering | stew: thanks, I will get right on it. |
| 23:29.49 | jetscreamer | hey it works great as long as you only have one ide controller, don't use a joystick... |
| 23:29.52 | enouf | jetscreamer: ahh .. I see |
| 23:29.55 | jetscreamer | hmm there was one more ... |
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| 23:30.13 | stew | jetscreamer: there are of course obvious statements to be made about packages in sid being broken from time to time |
| 23:30.14 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 23:30.36 | jetscreamer | stew: it even did it with the etch installer |
| 23:30.39 | jelly | jetscreamer: don't forget losing all the custom /dev/ chmod/chown/dpkg-statoverride settings. |
| 23:31.12 | jetscreamer | too big. |
| 23:31.32 | enouf | tries to figure out a reason to test and use his one onboard midi/joystck port - see if it actually works .. hmm - need a joystick or midi controller |
| 23:32.08 | jetscreamer | the /dev/js nodes aren't created in the place where programs look for them |
| 23:32.28 | jetscreamer | i actually got it working after i edit the udev rules/rule |
| 23:32.47 | jetscreamer | it created them in /dev/input i 'think' |
| 23:33.08 | enouf | well the darn /dev/.static dir gets created and used - that's all different than in devfs afaik |
| 23:33.26 | jetscreamer | i have no problem with the stock /dev |
| 23:33.45 | jetscreamer | i don't get/understand the need to clean it up |
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| 23:33.51 | enouf | nither do many others - unfortunately, it's not in accordance with te FHS |
| 23:33.53 | jetscreamer | i can see why it might be desirable |
| 23:34.00 | jetscreamer | ah the fhs |
| 23:34.04 | enouf | neither* |
| 23:34.09 | jetscreamer | and that's another thing! :) |
| 23:34.10 | joeljkp | in apache2, is there a file that loads all the generic modules? |
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| 23:34.30 | jetscreamer | why must they pile everything in waht kinda looks like 4 basic directories |
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| 23:34.52 | enouf | jetscreamer: i know i know - it's like bad medicine - either fix it now - or kep deviating from the standards that we promote and look like hypocrites |
| 23:34.54 | dondelelcaro | joeljkp: they're loaded by symlinks in modules_enabled |
| 23:34.55 | jetscreamer | i like to be able to figure out what goes with what |
| 23:34.58 | enouf | keep* |
| 23:35.24 | enouf | the million dollar question |
| 23:35.32 | joeljkp | dondelelcaro: yeah, there was a few there, like cgi and mod_perl, but usually there's a bunch of small generic ones, right? |
| 23:35.45 | joeljkp | dondelelcaro: directory indexes, etc? |
| 23:35.57 | dondelelcaro | joeljkp: there are some which are built into apache |
| 23:36.18 | enouf | jetscreamer: actually IINM, it's much like the rc?.d / init.d / sysv system |
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| 23:36.26 | dondelelcaro | joeljkp: but all of the loadable ones have symlinks there. dpkg -L apache2-common; to see what they are and use a2enmod to enable then/disable them. |
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| 23:36.44 | joeljkp | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks |
| 23:36.51 | Rusty1 | i would like to keep hal from hitting on my hard drive even though i have noatime in the stanza for the drive in fstab |
| 23:37.39 | dondelelcaro | take out a restraining order? |
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| 23:38.46 | |-Johnny-| | I've got a cgwd theme, how do I implement it? |
| 23:38.47 | enouf | Rusty1: hm.. how's it "hitting" the HD ? you sure it's not your swap you hear? or even something else like famd perhaps? |
| 23:39.19 | enouf | nods at dondelelcaro's suggestion |
| 23:39.43 | Rusty1 | enouf, only happens with hald, udev installed - remove it , kill it , it stops |
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| 23:41.03 | Rusty1 | there are configs for hal, but would think it would respect fstab |
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| 23:41.19 | |-Johnny-| | I've got a cgwd theme, how do I implement it? |
| 23:42.15 | enouf | Rusty1: just a hunch from my observations ..do you have fam running? if not - try it -> /etc/init.d/fam start |
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| 23:44.03 | Cooner750 | What is the port for SFTP? |
| 23:44.06 | Cooner750 | over SSH? |
| 23:44.27 | Rusty1 | enouf: bash: /etc/init.d/fam: No such file or directory |
| 23:44.30 | jelly | Cooner750: it works over that same connection, so tcp/22. |
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| 23:44.35 | enouf | Rusty1: my Debian HDD is an old noisy WD 9.1GB, and it sucks to listen to it all the time -- I noticed when fam is not running it constantly writes every 3-5 sec or so .. very little, but writes - anyway tried involking thte noatime option to the /var dir which didn't really help - but when famd is running it stpos the nonsense - I also have udev and hal |
| 23:44.56 | Cooner750 | Thanks. Installing ClarkConnect (works really well!) and I figured I'd pop in here really quick and ask |
| 23:45.07 | |-Johnny-| | How do I implement a compiz theme? |
| 23:45.11 | enouf | Rusty1: you do allow the daily Cron to run .. atleast once a day ? |
| 23:45.45 | enouf | Rusty1: oh .. hmm may have tio install it - hold a sec |
| 23:46.22 | Cooner750 | Anyone heard of ClarkConnect? |
| 23:46.27 | |-Johnny-| | How do I implement a compiz theme? |
| 23:46.43 | enouf | Rusty1: if 'dpkg -l fam' returns anything but 'ii' then apt-get -s install fam |
| 23:47.05 | enouf | Rusty1: the -s is a simulation - so nothing will be actually i9nstalled |
| 23:47.33 | enouf | Rusty1: just so you would see what it wants to add/remove if anything .. beforehand |
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| 23:47.42 | Rusty1 | enouf: just did the apt-s, wants to remove a bunch of stuff |
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| 23:48.12 | enouf | Rusty1: hmm .. wow - lemmee check dependencies ... do you still have hotplug installed ? |
| 23:48.44 | aubergine | Hi i have a Bash Script and want a Delay of 10s between 2 Commands, whats the command for that? |
| 23:48.46 | Rusty1 | no , apt removed it when installing udev |
| 23:48.55 | webfreak | !tell |-Johnny-| about xgl |
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| 23:49.09 | enouf | Rusty1: right .. okie |
| 23:49.34 | enouf | Rusty1: I only got a BIG Warning when upgrading hehe .. naturally I heeded it |
| 23:49.59 | jetscreamer | aubergine: #bash |
| 23:50.07 | RichiH_fallback | where do i put stuff that gets written into files in /sys, again? |
| 23:50.10 | enouf | Rusty1: But if you 'apt rdepends fam' - perhaps you can see if something you wouldn't like will be added |
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| 23:50.21 | kmilo | aubergine, sleep 10 |
| 23:50.24 | |-Johnny-| | webfreak, I'd appreciate some human help |
| 23:50.31 | webfreak | |-Johnny-|: i can't stick around, sorry :) |
| 23:50.33 | |-Johnny-| | I apt-get install'd Xserver-xgl |
| 23:50.36 | |-Johnny-| | Okay |
| 23:50.36 | webfreak | gotta run |
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| 23:51.01 | enouf | Rusty1: I don't know that much about it .. save to say it seems to stop my HDD from thrashing ... unfortunately - it may also make umounting devices a bit of a PITA too |
| 23:51.25 | jelly | RichiH_fallback: something like /etc/sysctl.conf but for /sys ? |
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| 23:51.50 | enouf | Rusty1: it's your call -- can only suggest to try it ... are you on Sid? ..or etch? which kernel? (uname -r) |
| 23:52.08 | RichiH_fallback | jelly: yes, there is one |
| 23:52.33 | jelly | RichiH_fallback: apt-cache search /sys says it's in ... sysfsutils package |
| 23:52.40 | Rusty1 | enouf, the install would basically trash kde |
| 23:52.48 | RichiH_fallback | jelly: makes sense |
| 23:52.49 | RichiH_fallback | thanks |
| 23:53.16 | Rusty1 | enouf, 2.6.16-1-686 |
| 23:53.25 | enouf | Rusty1: unless it wants to update your gcc and libc6 (which is huge, but you should likely have a newer one anyway) ... hmm I have a lot of kde stuff installed and use konsole and konqi .. thats weird |
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| 23:53.32 | jelly | RichiH_fallback: /etc/sysfs.conf |
| 23:53.58 | enouf | Rusty1: same kernel here -- actually 2.6.16-2-686 for me |
| 23:54.25 | Rusty1 | enouf, additional package to install is portmap |
| 23:55.28 | jetscreamer | sysctl ! |
| 23:55.36 | Rusty1 | enouf , hald does the same thing on my ubuntu boxes, though i haven't noatime'd the fstab entries |
| 23:55.40 | enouf | Rusty1: well if you do try it - unless it wants to majorly bork other stuff too - you can likely apt-get --purge remove fam to get rid of it... Portmap isn't bad or anything to worry about afaik.. do this apt-cache show portmap |
| 23:55.53 | dvs | cattle |
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| 23:55.58 | dvs | (at least around here) |
| 23:55.58 | jetscreamer | that's another thing |
| 23:56.01 | jetscreamer | gamin vs fam |
| 23:56.11 | jetscreamer | gamin works for both gnomeand kde |
| 23:56.19 | jetscreamer | but gnomewats to replace gamin |
| 23:56.22 | jetscreamer | wants |
| 23:56.29 | jetscreamer | or some gnomeproggie does |
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| 23:57.52 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.03 | Rusty1 | enouf, ty i'll play around with things a bit |
| 23:58.18 | stoned | man |
| 23:58.25 | stoned | this half pound burgur is KICKING my ass |
| 23:58.37 | enouf | Rusty1: okie :-) let us know how it goes -- I'll be in and out over the next few hours.. |
| 23:58.45 | dvs | stoned: stop eating McDonalds! |
| 23:58.47 | kmilo | stoned, if you want to talk in spanish please go to #debian-es |
| 23:58.50 | Rusty1 | enouf: k, same here |
| 23:59.18 | enouf | goes out for a real burger |
| 23:59.20 | stoned | kmilo, you're a tool. Thank you, I'll keep that in mind |
| 23:59.32 | stoned | dude, when did MCD's start having half pound burgurs |
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| 23:59.42 | stoned | this is a real resturant hamburgur, from Applebees |
| 23:59.47 | dvs | stoned: If you roll 10 of them together. |
| 23:59.51 | stoned | lol |
