| 00:00.04 | enouf | alright - that's halfway there .. not really though |
| 00:00.16 | stoned | time to update my sid system today |
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| 00:00.24 | jetscreamer | where's that spanish |
| 00:00.32 | stoned | up your bum |
| 00:00.36 | stoned | to the left, around the corner :D |
| 00:00.40 | enouf | waits to hear stoned start crying after the onsuing breakage |
| 00:00.45 | stoned | ahaha, I haven't said that since like 4th grade |
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| 00:01.11 | jetscreamer | i updated last night... did something break inbetween? |
| 00:01.13 | enouf | ensuing even |
| 00:01.23 | stoned | nothing I can't fix |
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| 00:05.06 | me_here | paveq: yes but some ubuntu builds work even on debian |
| 00:05.08 | jetscreamer | notes that stoned is a wimpy wussie who doesn't run experimental.... :) |
| 00:05.08 | me_here | ups |
| 00:05.31 | stoned | lolI |
| 00:05.38 | stoned | you just had to go there huh |
| 00:05.43 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:05.44 | craigevil | how do you get the /weather command to work in konversation |
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| 00:06.00 | stoned | #konversation |
| 00:06.09 | jetscreamer | --- weather :Unknown command |
| 00:06.21 | stoned | ask Sho_ |
| 00:06.22 | jetscreamer | you sure you aren't looking for a bot interface? |
| 00:06.25 | stoned | hes the developer of that app |
| 00:06.28 | stoned | or read the docs |
| 00:06.32 | stoned | either one should help |
| 00:07.01 | jetscreamer | ah it's a konversation thing nm |
| 00:07.02 | jetscreamer | craigevil: you could always just run yourself a supybot |
| 00:07.07 | stoned | ahah, so gramps is also a kde user |
| 00:07.09 | jetscreamer | more 1337 |
| 00:07.22 | jetscreamer | me? nah but i have it installed |
| 00:07.28 | jetscreamer | icewm |
| 00:07.31 | stoned | word |
| 00:07.34 | jetscreamer | i have gnomealso |
| 00:07.42 | Xorm | I use fluxbox now =| |
| 00:07.55 | jetscreamer | shit power fuux bbl |
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| 00:09.02 | stoned | !popcon |
| 00:09.03 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 00:09.25 | daveyb | how do i find out if i have kernel header files and kernel source installed? Also how do i install them if i don't? |
| 00:09.53 | dvs | daveyb: uname -r |
| 00:10.21 | stoned | apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare |
| 00:10.27 | stoned | that should take care of it |
| 00:10.47 | Xorm | heh |
| 00:10.54 | Xorm | I just installed package "bl" |
| 00:10.59 | stoned | !bl |
| 00:10.59 | dpkg | bl is, like, a program for Blink Keyboard LEDs |
| 00:11.04 | stoned | word |
| 00:11.46 | evilbulgarian | hi, im trying to troubleshoot a connection problem to my ssh server no matter what i do it just hangs when i try to connect to it! I tried changing ports and still nothing can someone please help!? |
| 00:11.47 | stew | bb is an even better package |
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| 00:12.07 | daveyb | dvs, that doesn't specify if the source annd headers is installed it just tells me what kernel i upgraded to, i may of done it worng |
| 00:12.28 | dvs | daveyb: it would help us to determine which packages you need |
| 00:12.31 | Duelist | evilbulgarian: are you sure the ISP does not block port 22? |
| 00:12.31 | Duelist | some (stupid!) ISPs do. |
| 00:12.51 | evilbulgarian | Duelist: i hope not i use covad |
| 00:12.53 | daveyb | dvs, sorry mate, Linux foo 2.6.16-2-686 #1 Mon Aug 21 11:33:09 CEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux. Hope that helps |
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| 00:13.07 | stoned | evilbulgarian, connect to localhost 22 and see what happens |
| 00:13.13 | dvs | Dave123: linux-source-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 00:13.21 | evilbulgarian | stoned: did that works |
| 00:13.32 | stoned | evilbulgarian, oh the ssh server, also connect to it on your internal network ip, instead of isp ip first |
| 00:13.34 | stoned | does that work too? |
| 00:13.40 | stoned | s/oh/on |
| 00:13.40 | wckd_ | evilbulgarian, set some random port in sshd_config, then try connect to that |
| 00:13.54 | evilbulgarian | wckd_: tried all sorts of ports nothing |
| 00:14.01 | daveyb | dvs, E: Couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.16-2-686. |
| 00:14.06 | wckd_ | uhm, thats strange |
| 00:14.35 | stew | no its not |
| 00:14.41 | stoned | lol |
| 00:14.44 | dvs | Dave123: linux-source-2.6.16 |
| 00:14.45 | daveyb | dvs, foo:/home/daveyb/ndiswrapper-1.23# apt-get install linux-source-2.6.16-2-686 NEWLINE Reading Package Lists... Done NEWLINE Building Dependency Tree... Done NEWLINE E: Couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 00:14.52 | stew | daveyb: it would be linux-source-2.6.16, why do you want to compile a kernel? |
| 00:15.11 | daveyb | stew, in order to get ndiswrapper to work. |
| 00:15.19 | stew | daveyb: as i've told you a few times already, you don't need source, you need headers |
| 00:15.38 | daveyb | stew, then how do i get my headers installed? Still no ansewr |
| 00:15.39 | Alexismoy | Hi |
| 00:15.44 | Alexismoy | I haven't got this file: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 00:15.49 | Alexismoy | How to get it? |
| 00:15.49 | evilbulgarian | wckd_: yeah thats why i dont think its the isp |
| 00:15.50 | stew | daveyb: m-a prepare |
| 00:16.48 | stoned | stew, I said that about 5 mins ago |
| 00:16.56 | stoned | no one listens to the stoner guy |
| 00:16.58 | stoned | :( |
| 00:17.00 | daveyb | stew, brings up a blue error box, saying unconfigured headers |
| 00:17.01 | nvz | heh |
| 00:17.36 | nvz | stoned: try the mobster aproach. m-a prepare or i'll break your legs |
| 00:17.42 | stoned | lol |
| 00:17.45 | stew | stoned: i know, i also said it 11 hours ago and twice yesterday, |
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| 00:18.05 | stoned | he was here for the same thing 11 hours ago and yesterday |
| 00:18.16 | stoned | damn |
| 00:18.20 | stew | daveyb: its just a warning |
| 00:18.23 | stew | daveyb: you can ignore it |
| 00:19.19 | stew | daveyb: its ok to have some unconfigured headers, as long as /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include exists |
| 00:19.26 | daveyb | stew, but when I come to install it, it errors out. |
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| 00:19.36 | Seb | is there a way to have the system beep of my system go through the regular sound system ? |
| 00:19.37 | stew | daveyb: did you ever check the bts? |
| 00:19.42 | Seb | so I could adjust its volume and all |
| 00:20.07 | Quintin | Has anyone here seen the CBT Debian Linux videos?? Any thoughts? |
| 00:20.19 | daveyb | stew, what are the bts? |
| 00:20.36 | stoned | !bts |
| 00:20.36 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 00:21.13 | Seb | "the system beep of my system", heh, nice |
| 00:21.20 | stoned | lol |
| 00:21.21 | Seb | i haven't started to drink for the day, though :> |
| 00:21.28 | stew | oftc/#debian.log:10:13 < stew> daveyb: check the bts about your compilation problems: /msg dpkg bts |
| 00:21.32 | Seb | stoned: and no, I haven't smoked yet either :> |
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| 00:21.51 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:22.05 | Seb | although that is imminent now |
| 00:22.14 | jelly | keeping a straight edge, huh |
| 00:22.15 | daveyb | stew, i am such a twat |
| 00:22.20 | Seb | *trying to* |
| 00:22.25 | daveyb | stew, it's because my GCC is out of date. |
| 00:22.33 | Seb | so, system beeps to /dev/dsp anyone ? |
| 00:23.22 | daveyb | stew, do you know how i can upgrade to gcc 4 ? |
| 00:23.51 | stoned | apt-get install gcc-4.0 |
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| 00:24.12 | stoned | then export CC=/path/to/gcc4binary |
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| 00:24.43 | daveyb | stoned, tried that already, it can't find the package. |
| 00:24.43 | jetx | i want a backup generator... not a ups |
| 00:24.51 | stew | daveyb: you can't on sarge. |
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| 00:25.09 | stew | daveyb: what version of ndiswrapper-source is installed? |
| 00:25.15 | stoned | I want a backup wife |
| 00:25.17 | stoned | :D |
| 00:25.27 | jetx | somebody donate 100k to my generator fund |
| 00:25.34 | stoned | luckily in my faith, I can have 3 backup wives :D |
| 00:25.38 | daveyb | stew, ndiswrapper-1.23 |
| 00:25.53 | jetx | but not in america |
| 00:25.55 | jetx | :p |
| 00:26.01 | stew | daveyb: what happens when you try the sarge version of ndiswrapper-source? |
| 00:26.17 | stew | daveyb: the sarge version will compile with sarge's gcc |
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| 00:27.09 | daveyb | stew, how do i go about doing that, look at the text output about line 6-7 http://channels.debian.net/paste/3888 |
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| 00:27.58 | stew | daveyb: apt-get install ndiswrapper-source=1.1-4 |
| 00:28.11 | Alexismoy | which package is good for power management on a laptop? |
| 00:28.38 | daveyb | stew, ndiswrapper-source is already the newest version. |
| 00:28.53 | stoned | Alexismoy, apt-get install good-package-for-power-management-on-a-laptop |
| 00:28.58 | daveyb | stew, then how do i go about installing this source? Where is loacated. |
| 00:29.07 | daveyb | s/is/is it |
| 00:29.50 | stew | daveyb: "apt-get install ndiswrapper-source=1.1-4" |
| 00:30.37 | daveyb | stew, ndiswrapper-source is already the newest version. <-- same message |
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| 00:31.42 | stew | daveyb: and now "dpkg -l ndiswrapper-source" shows 1.1-4, not 1.2-3 ? |
| 00:31.42 | Alexismoy | Is default kernels from debian suppoting power management? |
| 00:31.51 | stew | Alexismoy: yes |
| 00:32.01 | Alexismoy | hm |
| 00:32.17 | Alexismoy | ok, thx |
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| 00:33.04 | daveyb | stew, can I PM you the output? |
| 00:33.21 | stew | daveyb: put it in a pasetbin |
| 00:33.27 | DJ747 | Does anyone know how to make a DVD with menus on Debian? |
| 00:33.45 | daveyb | stew, here it is: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3889 |
| 00:33.47 | enouf | Seb: are you talking about the mobo piezo spkr that beeps? |
| 00:33.56 | Seb | enouf: yeah |
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| 00:34.10 | enouf | Seb: why is it beeping so much? |
| 00:34.17 | Seb | enouf: i think i found what i needed -> http://www.kevinboone.com/README_beep.html |
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| 00:34.33 | stew | daveyb: "m-a a-i ndiswrapper" |
| 00:34.42 | Seb | enouf: because i use a lot of CL apps, and guess what, i actually find the beep is *not loud enough*, i.e. i don't want to suppress it as you might think :) |
| 00:34.48 | enouf | Seb: ok - mine beeps once at BIOS POST - others will beep if there's RAM or VC error ususally as well as other erros |
| 00:34.52 | enouf | +r |
| 00:35.03 | jetx | man i always thought m-a was like an abbreviation |
| 00:35.06 | jetx | till today |
| 00:35.11 | Seb | heh |
| 00:35.15 | daveyb | No packages found matching ndiswrapper-sourcem-a. No packages found matching a-i. No packages found matching ndiswrapper. |
| 00:35.20 | jetx | nonono |
| 00:35.24 | daveyb | stew, No packages found matching ndiswrapper-sourcem-a. No packages found matching a-i. No packages found matching ndiswrapper. |
| 00:35.25 | enouf | Seb: CLI apps? |
| 00:35.38 | jetx | daveyb: that's not right |
| 00:35.45 | jetx | your command was a little funny |
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| 00:35.59 | jetx | put spaces |
| 00:36.10 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.14 | jetx | no quotes |
| 00:36.15 | daveyb | let me do it again, one second. Same error as before |
| 00:36.24 | enouf | Seb: oh - yeah -- I guess that might do that .. heh , if mine did that, I'd rip that lil' POS right off the mobo, no questions |
| 00:36.30 | Seb | enouf: command line apps |
| 00:36.46 | enouf | Seb: see my last comment :-) |
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| 00:36.49 | jetx | daveyb: you can just do m-a , then figure it out in the menu |
| 00:36.53 | jetx | also |
| 00:36.57 | jetx | either/or |
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| 00:37.42 | jetx | or is a-i inside m-a |
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| 00:39.20 | DJ747 | Does anyone know how to make a DVD with menus on Debian? |
| 00:39.27 | jetx | i do |
| 00:39.47 | DJ747 | jetx can you explain the steps that I need to take? |
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| 00:40.29 | jetx | DJ747: apt-get install dvdstyler after you add marillat to repos... if you want commandline, i have some links but that box is off atm.... thunderstorm |
| 00:40.41 | owh | Greetings, I'm in need of some peer comment. I have a workstation with three SATA drives, one in a cradle. Kernel 2.6.15 - no hotswap support. I just suffered a fatal crash on the system when one of the drives failed. Drive A&B were mirrored, drive C was intended as a live daily backup. I'm now reluctant to continue down the RAID/LVM/XFS path, having used plain vanilla EXT3 partitions for some years in other machines. How can I continue to support this machine re |
| 00:41.24 | Alexismoy | I can't see this file: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 00:41.42 | owh | I'm reluctant to compile a new kernel, because when a new package becomes available, it won't be updated automatically. |
| 00:42.11 | daveyb | jetx, stew: When i m-a select the ndiswrapper package and try to build it i get this error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3890 |
| 00:44.24 | daveyb | for some reason it keep displaying this when I goto LIST: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3891 any ideas |
| 00:44.27 | DJ747 | jetx: What format do the files need to be in? |
| 00:44.35 | DJ747 | and how do I get them to that format |
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| 00:46.21 | Alexismoy | which module I need to load for power management with an amd processor? |
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| 00:48.37 | DJ747 | SinnerG: search that partition for files owned by the new group |
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| 00:48.51 | Duelist | SinnerG: and learn to spell |
| 00:49.18 | DJ747 | SinnerG: that gid must be recycled |
| 00:49.26 | SinnerG | yeah DJ, found it out just now :) |
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| 00:53.01 | andreiutz | hy ! i am a noob and i've just installed debian(netinstall, 2.6). When i tried to open the open the volume control i get this message "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found" . I have a "maudio 24/96 Khz audiophile" sound card . I did lspci and this is the output for sound card : "0000:03:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02)" . What is wrong with the sound ? |
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| 00:53.20 | LunarCrisis | What software is available for annotating things graphically? Drawing things on top of PDFs or a series of images for example. |
| 00:53.52 | Alexismoy | How to change cpu frequency? |
| 00:55.20 | dondelelcaro | Alexismoy: cpufreq-set |
| 00:55.31 | dondelelcaro | LunarCrisis: sodipodi, inkscape, skencil, etc. |
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| 00:55.51 | Alexismoy | dondelelcaro, that's what I done but that doesn't change |
| 00:56.01 | Alexismoy | alexport:/home/alex# cpufreq-set --freq 800000 |
| 00:56.01 | Alexismoy | alexport:/home/alex# |
| 00:56.27 | CHodapp | LunarCrisis, I don't know of any free tools that will let you handle a PDF like that and save them in PDF, losslessly |
| 00:56.28 | dondelelcaro | Alexismoy: that may not be a valid frequency then; cpufreq-info; will tell you what the valid frequencies are. |
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| 00:56.41 | Alexismoy | that's a good one |
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| 00:57.00 | LunarCrisis | dondelelcaro, I was more thinking a program that would let me easily switch between a series of images without manually opening each one when I need to, ex. every time my teacher changes slides >.< |
| 00:57.01 | tolecnal | Alexismoy: have you loaded the appropriate kernel modules? |
| 00:57.02 | owh | Did my question make any sense, or do I need to provide more detail? |
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| 00:57.17 | Alexismoy | tolecnal, yes |
| 00:57.22 | andreiutz | hy ! i am a noob and i've just installed debian(netinstall, 2.6). When i tried to open the open the volume control i get this message "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found" . I have a "maudio 24/96 Khz audiophile" sound card . I did lspci and this is the output for sound card : "0000:03:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02)" . What is wrong with the sound ? |
| 00:57.40 | LunarCrisis | CHodapp, the file format isn't what's important, convenient switching between files is more so |
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| 00:57.52 | LunarCrisis | I can always render pdf files to images |
| 00:57.55 | tolecnal | Alexismoy: and cpufreq-info returns valid info? |
| 00:57.56 | dondelelcaro | LunarCrisis: you can cut the slides apart into separate bits, then open them all up, and switch to the next page when you're done. |
| 00:58.01 | dvs | !tell andreiutz about alsa |
| 00:58.01 | msn | I have a Sony Vaio VGX-RA830G. I am not able to get alsa to start sound on it even though alsaconf is able to detect the card as sdn-hda-intel and load the drivers |
| 00:58.04 | Alexismoy | tolecnal, yes |
| 00:58.14 | dondelelcaro | LunarCrisis: this is fairly trivial if you're using a good window manager, like ion3. |
| 00:58.15 | h3sp4wn | andreiutz: I just use alsamixer (or envy24control) for a card based on the same chipset (on testing/unstable) |
| 00:58.25 | LunarCrisis | dondelelcaro, what about ion3 makes that better? |
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| 00:58.33 | tolecnal | Alexismoy: and you've installed the right cpufreq governers? |
| 00:58.49 | CHodapp | LunarCrisis, so you need the ability to edit images but rapidly switch between them too? Like for a tablet? |
| 00:58.53 | dondelelcaro | LunarCrisis: the fact that everything is controlled via the keyboard and it's quite trivial to have split windows and switch between windows. |
| 00:58.57 | LunarCrisis | CHodapp, yes |
| 00:59.05 | LunarCrisis | dondelelcaro, ah |
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| 00:59.24 | Alexismoy | tolecnal, governers? |
| 00:59.26 | h3sp4wn | andreiutz: you need alsa-utils alsa-tools-gui |
| 00:59.27 | Alexismoy | régulateurs disponibles : ondemand, powersave, userspace, performance |
| 00:59.30 | LunarCrisis | hmm, I suppose I could use tabs in fluxbox for that |
| 00:59.30 | Alexismoy | one of this? |
| 00:59.46 | tolecnal | Alexismoy: available cpufreq governors: ondemand, userspace, powersave, performance |
| 00:59.54 | tolecnal | Alexismoy: exactly |
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| 01:00.31 | Alexismoy | tolecnal, there are packages? |
| 01:00.41 | Alexismoy | they* |
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| 01:01.06 | tolecnal | Alexismoy: and given that you get all this info, i also reckcon that you have the right kernel driver loaded.. or else you wouldn't see this info through cpufreq-info |
| 01:01.09 | tolecnal | hmmm |
| 01:01.28 | tolecnal | and cpufreqd starts without problems? |
| 01:01.29 | andreiutz | h3sp4wn, should i install alsa-utils alsa-tools-gui with apt-get ? |
| 01:01.46 | Alexismoy | tolecnal, yes |
| 01:01.49 | Alexismoy | without problem |
| 01:02.02 | tolecnal | very strange.. and syslog tells you nothing |
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| 01:02.42 | edju | I now have gentoo, but am looking for something else. For one thing, I upgraded gnutls and broke cups and others. No warnings. A sort of "reverse dependency hell". Could such a thing happen in debian ? |
| 01:02.55 | owh | Anyone around with HDD redundancy experience? |
| 01:03.14 | Unryu | Can I get some assistance with PHP + Apache? I've been at it for about an hour now, trying to get my apache server to recognize the php modules, and yet no matter what, its still trying to open the files. I've done everything I know of |
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| 01:03.37 | owh | Unryu: You need to edit the apache conf file to load the php module. |
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| 01:03.53 | Alexismoy | tolecnal, governors are packages? |
| 01:03.58 | owh | Unryu: cd /etc/apache ; grep -ri php * |
| 01:04.15 | dondelelcaro | Unryu: wget -S localhost; and report to us the Server header. |
| 01:04.48 | Alexismoy | tolecnal, that works |
| 01:04.50 | tolecnal | Alexismoy: no, they come with cpufreqd.. in your case they are called 'régulateurs disponibles' |
| 01:04.55 | owh | dondelelcaro: True, but my experience is that installing PHP doesn't uncomment the module line :-) |
| 01:04.57 | Unryu | owh: I've already uncommented the apache2.ini and uncommented those 2 lines |
| 01:04.58 | andreiutz | should i install alsa-utils alsa-tools-gui with apt-get ? |
| 01:05.07 | dondelelcaro | owh: that's not what I'm trying to find out. |
| 01:05.19 | g333k_laptop | offtopic, hi is there a way to turn down remotely a PC using acpi?\ |
| 01:05.20 | dvs | andreiutz: if you want sound, yes |
| 01:05.20 | owh | dondelelcaro: Cool, /me stands back. |
| 01:05.23 | Unryu | er, apache2.conf, that is |
| 01:05.34 | Alexismoy | tolecnal, thx a lot |
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| 01:06.21 | dondelelcaro | edju: it's possible if you run unstable that things break, but it happens rarely. It almost never happens in testing (and never in stable) |
| 01:06.42 | owh | dondelelcaro: Never? That's a big call ;-) |
| 01:06.50 | Unryu | dondelecaro: Server: Apache/2.0.55 (Debian) PHP/5.1.6-1 |
| 01:06.57 | tolecnal | Alexismoy: what is your current régulateurs disponibles? according to cpufreq-info? |
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| 01:07.08 | omne | mdadm question on 3.1: Currently, I have a raid0 set up as md0. The partitions in both the disks are set to linux raid autodetect. Issuing 'mdadm -As' starts it successfully. However, it will not autostart at boot. Is there anything i need to explicitly change in /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid to make it autostar |
| 01:07.21 | dondelelcaro | Unryu: you've got the PHP module loaded; you now need to make sure that the php module is handling documents that you think are php documents. |
| 01:07.38 | Alexismoy | tolecnal, |
| 01:07.42 | Unryu | dondelecaro: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml |
| 01:07.51 | Unryu | dondelecaro: there is also one for phps |
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| 01:08.06 | Alexismoy | tolecnal, it's "userspace" |
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| 01:08.11 | dondelelcaro | Unryu: and you've reloaded apache since changing that? |
| 01:08.20 | Unryu | dondelecaro: About 5 times |
| 01:08.25 | dondelelcaro | Unryu: and that directive is applicable to the virtualhost you're using? |
| 01:08.34 | cafuego | Unryu: Whilst you're there, add .inc to the x-httpd-php one. |
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| 01:08.52 | cafuego | Unryu: Are you testing with firefox? |
| 01:09.07 | Unryu | cafuego: Yes, its what i've always used |
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| 01:09.19 | cafuego | Unryu: Empty the cache and restart firefox. |
| 01:09.22 | Unryu | dondelecaro: AFAIK |
| 01:09.24 | tolecnal | Alexismoy: the only thing I can suggest, is that you take a look at your /etc/default/cpufrequtils config file |
| 01:09.31 | Unryu | cafuego: Sec, I will open it up in epiphany |
| 01:09.32 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: yeh |
| 01:09.37 | tolecnal | Alexismoy: that's what might be interfering with your manual setting |
| 01:09.47 | tolecnal | Alexismoy: if that doesn't help, i really don't know what else it might be |
| 01:09.49 | dondelelcaro | shift-reload also should do it, iirc. |
| 01:09.53 | Unryu | cafuego: I am stupid, you were right |
| 01:09.57 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Should yes. Does no. |
| 01:09.59 | Unryu | Thank you, cafuego and dondelecaro |
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| 01:10.20 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: it usually does it here... |
| 01:10.38 | Alexismoy | tolecnal, that works now :) |
| 01:10.54 | tolecnal | Alexismoy: exellent :) |
| 01:10.57 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Mine caches (and refuses to refresh) content-type headers and Location headers. |
| 01:11.08 | Alexismoy | tolecnal, thx for your help ;) |
| 01:11.20 | tolecnal | Alexismoy: you're more than welcome :) |
| 01:11.32 | edju | dondelelcaro, So, if, say, that gnutls is upgraded, and prog x depended on a lower version's library, is x reinstalled against the new version? Am I making sense? |
| 01:11.33 | Alexismoy | :] |
| 01:11.34 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: If I change a name based vhost, I cannot mae Firefox go to the new one without emptying the cache *and* restarting. |
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| 01:12.58 | pickcoder | cafuego: define "change a name based vhost" |
| 01:13.16 | dondelelcaro | edju: no; FE, if we upgrade to libgnutls11 from 10, things that were linked against libgnutls10 depend on libgnutls10; we keep distributing libgnutls10 in the archives too. Anything that gets rebuilt gets built against libgnutls11. |
| 01:13.17 | omne | e |
| 01:13.36 | dondelelcaro | edju: we only stop distributing libgnutls10 when nothing depends upon it anymore |
| 01:14.30 | vuud | Is there a good guide on how to live with aptitude? i've read the stock stuff and for the most part it works - but sometimes, like a little while ago it removed mysql for me, and I spent an hour trying to get it back... |
| 01:14.46 | cafuego | pickcoder: Add a new dns entry for the IP I use for vhosting. Reload bind. Add a new vhost to apache2; check vhost with firefox. Argh, forgot to reload apache2! FF goes to default host for said IP. Reload apache2. try to make firefox go to (now) correct vhost. |
| 01:14.51 | vuud | all I wanted was mysql-query-browser... thats all |
| 01:15.42 | dondelelcaro | vuud: the main trick with aptitude is to make sure that everything you actually want isntalled isn't marked as automatically installed. |
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| 01:15.42 | craigevil | you just have to pay attention what it wants to remove/install |
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| 01:15.49 | cafuego | pickcoder: Firefox refuses to access the correct vhost unless I trash the cache *and* restart it. |
| 01:15.49 | dondelelcaro | using the curses interface also makes resolving and seeing what it wants to do much easier. |
| 01:15.56 | edju | dondelelcaro, OK. Thanks. So the situation's the same as in gentoo. |
| 01:16.12 | cafuego | pickcoder: Until I do, it keeps bumping me to the default vhost it originally did. |
| 01:16.26 | vuud | craigevil: I noticed that... for some reason I though letting it re resolve all the mysql stuff would be a good thing... apparently you can never go back... |
| 01:16.48 | edju | Although working w/ a binary distro's less trouble than recompiling. |
| 01:16.55 | craigevil | Thats why on my desktop I use Synaptic |
| 01:17.04 | dondelelcaro | edju: well, kind of; save you don't actually have to recompile anything. |
| 01:17.10 | dondelelcaro | edju: (nor does Debian) |
| 01:17.22 | pickcoder | cafuego: try the same scenario with Lynx and see what it does. If Lynx behaves as you expect, then the problem is in FF. Otherwise, it's Apache2 or a DNS resolution issue. |
| 01:17.26 | dondelelcaro | it's only new packages and new versions that build against libgnutls11. |
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| 01:17.53 | dondelelcaro | (and the transition can occur gradually, instead of suddenly requiring a rebuild of everything on your system) |
| 01:17.59 | edju | dondelelcaro, Yes, gentoo installs from source. |
| 01:19.30 | cafuego | pickcoder: It's firefox. |
| 01:19.52 | cafuego | pickcoder: DNS returns the same IP regardless. |
| 01:20.03 | cafuego | pickcoder: and Lynx behaves. |
| 01:20.10 | pickcoder | ok |
| 01:20.22 | dondelelcaro | yeah, FF has some strange caching issues, although, I've never seen that one. |
| 01:20.34 | pickcoder | I've seen the same thing happen in other browsers when using name-based vhosts. |
| 01:20.46 | pickcoder | typically, you don't use name based vhosts because of issues like that |
| 01:20.50 | dondelelcaro | my personal pet peve is the copy buffer |
| 01:21.00 | pickcoder | it's all up to the browser to tell the server which hostname it's looking for |
| 01:21.04 | pickcoder | instead of DNS |
| 01:21.38 | dondelelcaro | eh, that's not a valid reason not to use name based vhosts |
| 01:21.43 | edju | Does debian have "slots" - I mean, having both libgnutls10 _and_ 11 at the same time? |
| 01:21.54 | dondelelcaro | edju: that's the point |
| 01:22.00 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: no, but it's one of several |
| 01:22.17 | dondelelcaro | the only reason I've found not to use them is ssl |
| 01:22.32 | dondelelcaro | edju: it's the reason why they have different names. |
| 01:23.04 | dondelelcaro | (and also why we tend to care much, much more about sonames than the average upstream) |
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| 01:23.36 | edju | dondelelcaro, I see. So, if I install 11, 10 stays on my system. |
| 01:23.50 | dondelelcaro | edju: until it is no longer depended upon. |
| 01:23.59 | dondelelcaro | (well, assuming you're using aptitude or deborphan) |
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| 01:24.42 | edju | dondelelcaro, Whatever they are, but I suppose I'll find out :) |
| 01:26.20 | vuud | Thank the maker, I got it back. Has anyone gotten mysql-query-browser to run without segfaulting at startup? |
| 01:27.08 | dondelelcaro | vuud: apparently; there's not a RC bug against it currently. |
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| 01:27.34 | edju | Another question. When debian is installed, I assume it installs a binary kernel. Does the source come down as well? |
| 01:27.44 | dondelelcaro | vuud: if it's segfaulting at startup, you should report a bug. [unless this is an amd64, in which case, it's #316285] |
| 01:27.51 | vuud | dondelelcaro: maybe I should rephrase it to "has anyone used..." :) |
| 01:28.07 | dondelelcaro | edju: you can install source if you want |
| 01:28.46 | dondelelcaro | edju: the package that Debian uses to create the kernels is also available (kernel-package and make-kpkg); so you can make your own debian kernel packages from upstream sources. |
| 01:28.57 | vuud | dondelelcaro: I would not be surprised if I somehow "aptitudized" it into a strange state. |
| 01:29.26 | dondelelcaro | vuud: you basically can't. |
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| 01:29.42 | edju | dondelelcaro, Possible to install a vanilla kernel from kernel.org, or are there necessary debian patches? |
| 01:30.31 | vuud | dondelelcaro: hah! Yea hath not seen the power of a mine fingers combined with mine frusteration unto thine keyboard! |
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| 01:30.43 | dondelelcaro | edju: yeah, you can run vanilla kernels from kernel.org; I suggest using make-kpkg to build them though. |
| 01:30.49 | dondelelcaro | (that's just so you can easily remove them) |
| 01:31.03 | pickcoder | and build modules |
| 01:31.05 | pickcoder | :P |
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| 01:32.20 | edju | OK. One last - a friend runs ubuntu, and the install brings down the kitchen sink - total bloat. Will a debian install provide choices on what to install? |
| 01:32.39 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 01:34.02 | pickcoder | edju: if you get the netinstall CD, you can install what you want off the 'net. It's a base system only. |
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| 01:35.06 | dondelelcaro | edju: you can have an install that ranges from "city block" to "washer"... |
| 01:36.33 | dondelelcaro | (course, the fact that we don't install everything is often a critique of Debian... if you want that, you can use the Desktop tasks) |
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| 01:38.40 | edju | Well, my cd drive will not read cd-r's or cd-rw's - gotta install from the hard drive, or via nfs. |
| 01:39.02 | dondelelcaro | edju: if you've got a running unix system, you can install using debootstrap or debtakeover |
| 01:39.12 | dondelelcaro | (the later uses debootstrap) |
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| 01:39.47 | dondelelcaro | vuud: anyway, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=mysql-query-browser;dist=unstable; that's where you'll find your bug (or where you should file it if it's not there) |
| 01:40.57 | edju | Yes, I read that - I have a spare partition in which to install it w/o trashing the gentoo system until debian is up and running. |
| 01:41.57 | edju | Thanks much for the answers. Appreciate it. |
| 01:42.12 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 01:42.37 | vuud | dondelelcaro: thanks, if you say I can not mess it up, i will try it |
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| 01:51.26 | Cooner750 | How would I go about deleting a folder called "gallery2" from /var/www/html? I've tried rmdir and rm and I dont know how to use them |
| 01:51.46 | Cooner750 | over FTP it takes way too long |
| 01:52.23 | Maxist | rm -r <directory> |
| 01:52.41 | Maxist | then try it as root |
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| 01:53.29 | Cooner750 | I get a bunch of "descend into?" messages |
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| 01:53.43 | pickcoder | Cooner750: rm -r -f /var/www/html/gallery2 |
| 01:53.56 | pickcoder | just make sure you want _everything_ under it gone |
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| 01:55.58 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.09 | pickcoder | recursive with force |
| 01:56.10 | petemc | i would tolerate -fr |
| 01:56.22 | petemc | but that takes the biscuit |
| 01:56.50 | pickcoder | why? because I'm not used to combining switches on rm? |
| 01:56.51 | khaije1 | hello |
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| 01:56.56 | pickcoder | gimme a break |
| 01:56.59 | petemc | absolutely |
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| 01:57.31 | petemc | ok, what you do is your business |
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| 01:57.44 | petemc | but dont pass on your bad habits to other people |
| 01:57.50 | khaije1 | i'm looking to build a file server using evms volumes and snapshotting, does anyone know ifi am restricted in my filesystem choices, or what the best (and why) choice is for this? |
| 01:57.53 | pickcoder | it works doesn't it? |
| 01:58.02 | pickcoder | it's valid syntax as well |
| 01:58.31 | petemc | see above |
| 01:58.48 | pickcoder | yes master |
| 02:02.08 | khaije1 | no input on my question? I would think this is a common question.... maybe... *too* common? |
| 02:02.28 | khaije1 | ;-) |
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| 02:06.10 | Mr_arda | hi |
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| 02:10.50 | aredhel | khaije1, try reading: http://evms.sf.net/ |
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| 02:11.39 | khaije1 | aredhel: ya, i'm there, i guess my question is pretty basic |
| 02:12.04 | khaije1 | aredhel: have you done this a/o have a personal preference/reccomendation? |
| 02:12.31 | aredhel | khaije1, no I had ignored evms up till now. |
| 02:12.51 | khaije1 | aredhel: y'z that? |
| 02:12.55 | Mr_arda | is usb2 compatible with usb1 ? |
| 02:13.17 | petemc | yes |
| 02:14.15 | aredhel | khaije1, I am the only one on my computer and it sounded more complicated. Now that I went ahead and am reading the docs it sounds like it solves some problems I have had in the past. |
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| 02:15.53 | khaije1 | aredhel: ya it's neat, I've been using lvm2, but it seems that for evms has some nice features that lvm2 lacks, if you're interested i can show you my preliminary research :-) |
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| 02:18.01 | khaije1 | ultimately i wanna set my box as fully xen-based with filesystem and virtual machine snapshotting, this will let me have specialist vm's for purposes that should be independent from each other |
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| 02:32.57 | Serial | Hi , :( |
| 02:33.00 | Serial | emm. |
| 02:33.05 | Serial | debian hehehehe rules |
| 02:33.10 | Serial | ubuntu is debian esay |
| 02:33.17 | Serial | i because desktop workstation |
| 02:33.23 | Serial | sypnatic etc |
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| 02:36.20 | Cooner750 | where can I download ffmpeg? |
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| 02:37.26 | Serial | sources.. |
| 02:37.27 | Serial | :P |
| 02:37.32 | Serial | apt POWER! |
| 02:37.42 | apt | i guess power is for newer opie releases you need to have apmd installed to have a working power button. or see external power |
| 02:37.42 | Serial | the best utility |
| 02:37.48 | Serial | xd |
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| 02:42.24 | SubStack | apt moo |
| 02:42.25 | apt | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 02:42.37 | SubStack | no more apt-get moo? |
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| 02:43.35 | `rand | Anyone know if debian unstable broke nvidia binary stuff? |
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| 02:50.27 | craigevil | apt-get moo still shows the silly cow |
| 02:50.40 | craigevil | nvidia isnt broke in Sid |
| 02:53.07 | `rand | craigevil: really? sure seems like it here, wanted to remove nvidia-glx, and when it did, now it complains because it can't find nvidia-kernel-1.blah |
| 02:53.31 | craigevil | i dont use the nvidia-glx, so it may be messed up |
| 02:53.41 | craigevil | i am using the nvidia beta driver |
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| 03:01.16 | khaije1 | craigevil: what is the beta driver? does that have iommu support? |
| 03:01.44 | craigevil | idk it works with compiz |
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| 03:04.30 | khaije1 | craigevil: know where i can find it? i'd like to check it out |
| 03:04.44 | jacob | is there a way I can install a package without runing the post-install scripts? |
| 03:05.45 | khaije1 | jacob: in soviet russia the post-install script runs you! |
| 03:05.57 | jacob | it's ruining me |
| 03:06.10 | jikuty | umm.. Debian owns. |
| 03:06.11 | jikuty | :) |
| 03:06.20 | jikuty | just wanted to let that out. sorry. |
| 03:06.25 | khaije1 | jacob: need better preservatives? |
| 03:07.18 | jacob | khaije1: I need my initscripts package to install |
| 03:07.38 | jacob | but it won't install because it requires tmpfs which I don't have |
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| 03:07.57 | jacob | and I can't install tmpfs without rebooting |
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| 03:08.03 | jacob | and I can't reboot without initscripts |
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| 03:10.27 | azta | packages are signed? |
| 03:10.43 | khaije1 | jacob: why does initscripts require tmpfs? |
| 03:10.58 | jacob | khaije1: I have no idea, but I know the old version I had didn't |
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| 03:13.08 | khaije1 | jacob: yr upgrading yr initscripts from a package? |
| 03:13.40 | jacob | it looks like it's coming from /etc/init.d/mtab.sh |
| 03:14.23 | jacob | khaije1: yeah my initscripts was out of date so it kept trying to upgrade and failed everytime I didn an "aptitude upgrade" |
| 03:14.36 | azta | 04:14 -!- greycat There was no such nickname |
| 03:14.38 | azta | ? |
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| 03:15.06 | khaije1 | jacob: what was the verbose error output? if it's a lot post to paster |
| 03:15.28 | jacob | what's paster? |
| 03:16.04 | azta | /join #paste ? |
| 03:17.31 | azta | sooo, when is potato gonna be stable? |
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| 03:17.54 | khaije1 | jacob: also, you can use http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 03:18.28 | azta | !moo |
| 03:18.29 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:19.35 | jacob | moo? |
| 03:19.45 | jacob | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3892 |
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| 03:20.54 | azta | so, dpkg talks to gpg? |
| 03:22.02 | jacob | dpkg talks to gpg? |
| 03:22.21 | azta | I'm looking at the /topic |
| 03:22.35 | jacob | oh |
| 03:22.45 | jacob | I thought you were asking me |
| 03:22.46 | azta | and, this is whacky. 642 idleres here? |
| 03:22.56 | azta | jacob: yes. I was. You :) |
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| 03:23.21 | jacob | yeah this channel is to overwhelming |
| 03:23.38 | azta | very strange |
| 03:24.12 | azta | <dpkg> greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 7d 12h 34m 30s ago, saying: 'haha'. |
| 03:24.20 | azta | also, strange. |
| 03:24.21 | jacob | 642 idlers, but it's a low probability that anyone can help me fix the problem I have |
| 03:24.24 | khaije1 | jacob: i can't really tell what the problem is from that, but it may be worthwhile to check for package errors, I believe this is 'dpkg -a' |
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| 03:24.34 | azta | jacob: lets here it |
| 03:24.47 | azta | cafuego_: will fix it for ya |
| 03:26.08 | khaije1 | jacob: oops 'dpkg --configure -a' try that... |
| 03:26.55 | azta | jacob: your problem? |
| 03:28.07 | jacob | khaije1: that gives me the same error |
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| 03:29.23 | jacob | hmm dpkg-reconfigure won't let me reconfigure it... I guess because it's not installed yet |
| 03:29.24 | azta | I remember when #debian had <200 idlers. now 600+ |
| 03:29.36 | azta | bet other channels have more, now, though.... |
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| 03:30.18 | leitooo | hello |
| 03:30.25 | azta | EHLO leitooo |
| 03:30.30 | Xorm | !sudo |
| 03:30.30 | dpkg | hmm... sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 03:31.00 | azta | !woody poll |
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| 03:31.57 | en1gma | sup al |
| 03:32.34 | azta | shhh, we were meditating |
| 03:32.38 | en1gma | i got a Q about "debootstrap" what is the other half of the statement? is it looking for a distro or how do i get a list of what i put in there |
| 03:32.57 | jacob | hmm.. maybe I should try to install an older version of initscripts and put a hold on it? |
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| 03:34.01 | leitooo | azta mmm happening to me .. when i do a mount --bind and latar do a df -h ... it does not appear but in the mtab exist! what happen?? |
| 03:34.27 | leitooo | sorry my inglish is horrible |
| 03:34.31 | jacob | what was the url of the debian package archive? |
| 03:34.45 | azta | leitooo: what kind of driver? |
| 03:34.53 | nocti | jacob, packages.debian.org? |
| 03:35.00 | azta | s/driver/drive/? |
| 03:35.13 | leitooo | sda and hdb |
| 03:35.29 | jacob | nocti: no, that page only has current packages |
| 03:35.35 | azta | leitooo: it's a real HD? not some USB external thingy? |
| 03:35.47 | leitooo | nono real !!! |
| 03:35.57 | leitooo | sda = 250gb and hdb 250 gb |
| 03:36.28 | azta | shows in "mount? |
| 03:36.32 | azta | shows in "mount"? |
| 03:36.50 | leitooo | pastbin??? |
| 03:37.07 | nocti | jacob, well you asked for "debian package archive", i didnt read anything about "not only current packages" |
| 03:37.09 | azta | leitooo: "mount", do you see it? |
| 03:37.40 | leitooo | no |
| 03:37.46 | jacob | nocti: do you happen to remember the archive that has all the packages? |
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| 03:38.17 | azta | leitooo: well, is it mounted? Do you know where it lives "/dev/moo" ? |
| 03:38.18 | nocti | jacob, i think i have it somewhere, the long list.. |
| 03:38.19 | leitooo | http://paste.uni.cc/10463 look |
| 03:38.24 | azta | oke |
| 03:38.45 | jacob | I have it bookmarked somewhere... I think on my debian laptop at work which doesn't help me now |
| 03:38.57 | azta | I see some php crud |
| 03:39.01 | en1gma | debootstrap help please |
| 03:39.50 | azta | missed the 3 off the end... |
| 03:40.08 | azta | leitooo: all looks good man. |
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| 03:41.29 | telexicon | is there a way to replace /etc/passwd with an sql database? |
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| 03:41.40 | azta | yep |
| 03:41.53 | telexicon | what is that called |
| 03:42.08 | ton | how can i create one tiny distribution to be run qemu? |
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| 03:42.10 | nocti | jacob, http://www.apt-get.org/main.php |
| 03:42.18 | Gnea | en1gma: no. you'll need to explain your problem in detail first. |
| 03:42.20 | Kage | nvz, yo. |
| 03:42.28 | sanxiyn | Is it only me, or OOo GTK plugin is broken in Sid? |
| 03:42.29 | jacob | nocti: wahoo! thanks |
| 03:42.29 | jelly | libpam-mysql? |
| 03:42.39 | telexicon | yea i looked at that one |
| 03:42.43 | nocti | jacob, is that it? |
| 03:42.47 | CHodapp | ton, statically build it and make a minimal environment? |
| 03:42.51 | jacob | nocti: not sure yet |
| 03:42.56 | telexicon | but it doesnt allow users to change their own password |
| 03:43.02 | nocti | jacob, well it's a long list... |
| 03:43.05 | telexicon | and how would file ownership work? |
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| 03:43.43 | jelly | just guessing... how about a ldap server with a mysql backend? |
| 03:43.52 | sanxiyn | Even if I install openoffice.org-gtk, OOo still uses its old UI. |
| 03:43.59 | azta | telexicon: yeah, you probably want ldap |
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| 03:44.06 | telexicon | ok |
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| 03:44.10 | ton | which is the web official debian ? |
| 03:44.19 | azta | ton: debian.org? |
| 03:44.22 | Gnea | http://www.debian.org |
| 03:45.22 | azta | jelly: why have a backend to (even) openldap ? |
| 03:45.51 | fhuussd | my sound keeps shutting off, I have to keep running alsconf to get it going again |
| 03:46.02 | fhuussd | does anyone have a better fix? |
| 03:46.11 | jelly | azta: well he asked for the information to be stored in mysql. |
| 03:46.22 | jelly | there's libnss-mysql too. |
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| 03:47.24 | sanxiyn | Okay, I got the bug. #376597. |
| 03:47.29 | sanxiyn | Strange, strange. |
| 03:47.33 | azta | shame "Mysql"'s marketing team are so good |
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| 03:48.02 | azta | ldap makes much more sense for all these websites that have catalogue thingies |
| 03:48.15 | azta | (optimized for reading etc) |
| 03:48.21 | myesterious | hi |
| 03:48.29 | sanxiyn | azta: More people know SQL than LDAP schema... |
| 03:49.10 | azta | sanxiyn: lots of people are taught sql to make website, online, product catalogues |
| 03:49.20 | sanxiyn | azta: Your point? |
| 03:49.37 | azta | sanxiyn: ldap is the better choise. |
| 03:49.44 | azta | choice. |
| 03:49.47 | azta | also... |
| 03:50.12 | sanxiyn | Maybe it is, when all other things are equal. They aren't. (As I pointed out, more people know... etc.) |
| 03:50.33 | azta | look at ldap vs rdms. Which is more suited to an online product catalogue? |
| 03:50.40 | azta | no brainer... |
| 03:50.42 | en1gma | Gnea i just did a "debootstrap edgy /target" but i dont think that is correct i think it needs a special edgy (my computer is amd64 x2) so what would i tell it |
| 03:51.05 | telexicon | who is doing a product catalogue? |
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| 03:51.56 | azta | sanxiyn: personally, I think mysql is fantastic. To beat postgres on popularity (not features) is well done. |
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| 03:52.05 | LunarCrisis | does anyone have any recommendations for reliable (preferably cheap) DVD burners? My LG drive just conked out =( |
| 03:52.15 | azta | but our kids aren't taught anything else, I agree. |
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| 03:53.01 | sanxiyn | azta: Hm, I learned MySQL first, but I found PostgreSQL easy to use and understand when I tried. |
| 03:53.21 | telexicon | uh |
| 03:53.29 | telexicon | why does it matter that much? |
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| 03:53.50 | azta | it doesn't :) |
| 03:53.53 | telexicon | its not like the SQL changes that much |
| 03:53.59 | telexicon | between database software |
| 03:54.02 | sanxiyn | telexicon: Well, actually it does, but... |
| 03:54.15 | telexicon | not the standard stuff |
| 03:54.21 | azta | It's just, well... |
| 03:54.22 | telexicon | and id rather not lock myself into something |
| 03:54.23 | sanxiyn | Nobody implements ANSI SQL. |
| 03:54.45 | azta | databases try to optimize for reads and writes |
| 03:54.45 | telexicon | im referring to the commonly accepted standard stuff |
| 03:54.53 | azta | LDAP was optimized for reads |
| 03:55.00 | sanxiyn | Datetime, offset/limit, BLOB, etc. all vary. |
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| 03:55.16 | azta | how many "database driven websites" do you know, that have more writes, than reads? |
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| 03:55.32 | myesterious | the type of Debian linux is similar with Gentoo,Arch,Lunar ? (source based) |
| 03:55.33 | brownie17 | my sound is jumping in XMMS and it never used to. i don't know why this has happened. does anyone have an ideas? |
| 03:55.41 | telexicon | none |
| 03:55.50 | azta | exactly |
| 03:55.55 | sanxiyn | azta: I am not aware of any. |
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| 03:56.14 | telexicon | except perhaps some random archive site that nobody visits... but still proceeds to scan the internet and archive it in a database |
| 03:56.21 | hobophobe | is that to say getting louder and softer, if so randomly or with regularity? Or is it cutting in and out? again, with regularity or not? |
| 03:56.25 | azta | ldap made perfect sense. Mysql have fantastic marketing, and we all know "SQL". |
| 03:56.42 | azta | hmmm |
| 03:56.49 | mynullvoid | why is that when I use visudo I got Warning: undeclared Cmnd_Alias `USERADD' referenced near line 11 ? |
| 03:56.53 | sanxiyn | azta: So, how do you JOIN with LDAP? :-) |
| 03:56.56 | azta | telexicon: you know what I mean though |
| 03:56.56 | sanxiyn | Maybe that is a wrong question. |
| 03:57.16 | mynullvoid | I had followed as http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/sudo.htm |
| 03:57.28 | telexicon | the directory isnt designed that way |
| 03:57.31 | azta | sanxiyn: Just saying. What we do, What we think is best, isn't always the best. :) |
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| 03:58.16 | telexicon | so i can completely replace the standard /etc/passwd stuff with ldap? |
| 03:58.23 | sanxiyn | telexicon: Yes. |
| 03:58.25 | azta | Yep. |
| 03:58.35 | telexicon | then people in the directory can own files and have permissions.. and i can add groups |
| 03:58.35 | sanxiyn | (I am using that, right now.) |
| 03:58.39 | azta | telexicon: good look finding help though :/ |
| 03:58.39 | ton | is there one way to have a light distribution in debian |
| 03:58.48 | telexicon | well ill read some |
| 03:58.50 | telexicon | it couldnt be that hard |
| 03:58.51 | azta | then again, see sanxiyn |
| 03:58.53 | sanxiyn | azta: Eh, it's not *that* difficult once you know how. |
| 03:59.01 | azta | agreed :) |
| 03:59.38 | hobophobe | ton, don't install a lot of stuff? Did you have a specific need in mind (ie, are you running on slow hardware, or what is the need you have?) |
| 03:59.57 | sanxiyn | telexicon: Basically, you install libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap and edit configuration files and edit configuration files and edit configuration files and after some time it's done. |
| 03:59.59 | enouf | mynullvoid: perhaps you have a tmp file opened still - that's occured to me before, but the error sounds very informative |
| 04:00.22 | telexicon | dont i need to install an ldap server? |
| 04:00.33 | sanxiyn | telexicon: Oh, yes you need it somewhere. |
| 04:00.46 | telexicon | what would you recommend? |
| 04:00.52 | sanxiyn | telexicon: OpenLDAP is fine. |
| 04:00.54 | telexicon | openLDAP? |
| 04:01.02 | azta | apt-get install openldap ? (then see sanxiyn) |
| 04:01.54 | telexicon | uh ok |
| 04:01.56 | sanxiyn | telexicon: Preferrably, server should be near its client (or localhost), or things will slow down (but you should install nscd anyway). |
| 04:02.08 | telexicon | the client will be localhost |
| 04:02.17 | ton | i would like to install debian on pocket pc |
| 04:02.18 | sanxiyn | telexicon: And make very sure server doesn't go down. Also make very sure you can login even if LDAP is down. |
| 04:02.20 | telexicon | because the webserver is on here... and this is where people will ssh into |
| 04:03.35 | telexicon | what happens if the server goes down? |
| 04:03.44 | telexicon | people cant get in... |
| 04:03.47 | telexicon | oh well |
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| 04:04.32 | junmin | hi, can somebody recommend me some tutorial/books/web sites about the server administration(web server, web hosting)?? please |
| 04:05.00 | sanxiyn | telexicon: files ldap [unavail=return] |
| 04:05.05 | sanxiyn | In nsswitch.conf |
| 04:05.10 | sanxiyn | unavail=return is crucial. |
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| 04:05.24 | azta | junmin: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=administering+apache&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
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| 04:06.16 | azta | client=safari... oops |
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| 04:06.51 | junmin | azta, just need to learn apache??? |
| 04:07.11 | azta | junmin: web server <--- apache |
| 04:07.23 | azta | web hosting, linux + apache |
| 04:07.51 | azta | junmin: so, really. Yeah. Get a good apache book, it will cover both. |
| 04:08.54 | junmin | azta, ic, if i want to run a web hosting business?! can you give me some tips??? :P |
| 04:09.08 | azta | Yeah man |
| 04:09.31 | brownie17 | sudo apt-get upgrade is telling me it needs to download 246 meg of packages but afterwards it will free 5 meg. coolies. |
| 04:10.05 | azta | be dedicated. Don't sleep. Make scripts to wake you up if anything goes wrong. If you servers go down, email people, tell em you know. |
| 04:10.37 | azta | junmin: if your gonna bother, be good. |
| 04:10.58 | azta | lots of lame web hosters, but not many good ones. |
| 04:11.20 | befana | hi, i just buy an acer aspire 5102 with a amd turion 64 x2 and an ati radeon xpress 1100, i'm trying to install debian, but i have some problems with the gnome desktop. Can someone help me? |
| 04:11.38 | azta | befana: what problems ? |
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| 04:12.06 | mynullvoid | I had allowed sysadmin to create user in sudoer; but I am getting Sorry, user sysadmin is not allowed to execute '/usr/sbin/useradd' as root on localhost.localdomain |
| 04:12.08 | azta | !specific |
| 04:12.09 | dpkg | specific is probably specifics is probably just saying 'it doesn't work' or 'what is wrong' will get you nowhere. be specific. |
| 04:13.22 | junmin | azta, some moer? :D :P please |
| 04:13.31 | junmin | azta, more |
| 04:14.39 | azta | junmin: I've payed for at least 15 hosting 'packages' with my current host, because they are always there. |
| 04:14.47 | mynullvoid | I had followed as http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/33 ; the only thing is that I want to allow sysadmin to be able tu useradd |
| 04:14.49 | azta | junmin: always |
| 04:15.06 | befana | when i try to install gnome, it say me that packeges are break |
| 04:15.13 | azta | mynullvoid: seems reasonable. |
| 04:16.03 | azta | mynullvoid: show use the line in your sudoers |
| 04:16.14 | azta | s/use/us/ |
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| 04:17.04 | junmin | azta, which is the provider? |
| 04:17.32 | azta | junmin: I'm not advertising, I'll /msg you |
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| 04:17.53 | mynullvoid | asza: I have a few line : sysadmin ALL=NOPASSWD: USERADD : Cmnd_Alias USERADD=/usr/sbin/useradd |
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| 04:19.01 | junmin | azta, hehe ... no problem |
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| 04:21.17 | silly_girl22 | is there a way to get firefox 2 beta as a deb package? |
| 04:21.52 | brownie17 | some help befana. |
| 04:22.02 | brownie17 | befana, you're probably better off specifying the exact error |
| 04:22.16 | befana | azta: i'm sorry. I have not experience in this channel, when i try to install gnome, it say me that packages are break. I just install gnome-desktop-invironment but i can't use gnome |
| 04:23.06 | azta | Cmd_Alials? |
| 04:23.22 | azta | befana: apt-get update? then try? |
| 04:23.39 | wide-eye | befana: did you install gnome and gnome-extras? |
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| 04:23.46 | azta | befana: if your tracking unstable, then, well, that happens. |
| 04:23.57 | wide-eye | i think the forums said you need that for .16 |
| 04:24.23 | wide-eye | of course that was before it hit testing |
| 04:24.32 | befana | azta, i did it, but it didn't work |
| 04:24.49 | azta | befana: unstable right? |
| 04:25.07 | befana | azta, yes |
| 04:25.28 | azta | befana: thats why they call it that :) |
| 04:25.31 | mynullvoid | azta: what you mean by show use the line in the sudoers |
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| 04:26.41 | azta | mynullvoid: I've never used that Cmnd_Alias bit |
| 04:26.55 | wide-eye | oops wrong tab |
| 04:27.40 | befana | azta, i know that, but i hoped that someone could help me |
| 04:27.47 | azta | mynullvoid: it looks fine though |
| 04:27.58 | azta | mynullvoid: did "sysadmin" log out and back in? |
| 04:28.09 | mynullvoid | azta: yes |
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| 04:30.18 | azta | Cmnd_Alias USERADD=/usr/sbin/useradd |
| 04:30.42 | azta | is that on a line by itself before the line starting sysadmin ? |
| 04:30.58 | mynullvoid | yes |
| 04:31.03 | silly_girl22 | i have scripts in my /etc/cron.{hour,dai,week,month}ly/ already. i guess those are premade for cron. are they getting used and what are they doing? |
| 04:31.04 | mynullvoid | azta: it's in one line |
| 04:31.24 | mynullvoid | azta: Cmnd_Alias USERADD=/usr/sbin/useradd |
| 04:31.35 | mynullvoid | azta: sysadmin ALL=NOPASSWD: USERADD |
| 04:31.39 | azta | useradd or adduser ? |
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| 04:31.41 | befana | azta, sorry, my system is testing not unstable. Something is different |
| 04:31.50 | azta | debian has both, right? |
| 04:31.53 | hobophobe | silly_girl22, the tar that they distribute of firefox 2 beta for linux is binary, you should just extract it and run it?? |
| 04:31.56 | azta | does one just call the other? |
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| 04:32.24 | Nopalin | what can i do for keep the time when i restart my system? it have to run ntp-client u correct my date |
| 04:32.53 | Nopalin | to* |
| 04:33.08 | brownie17 | Nopalin, that should happen at startup. i guess you could add it into your init script?? |
| 04:33.18 | azta | Nopalin: get a new battery ? :) |
| 04:33.24 | silly_girl22 | hobophobe: yes, but i dont want the firefox2 to conflict with apt, so i should make it into a package |
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| 04:36.19 | Nopalin | brownie17: not, cuz i dont be online when i startup my system |
| 04:36.47 | azta | mynullvoid: does sysadmin ALL=(ALL) ALL, let him do it ? |
| 04:36.55 | brownie17 | Nopalin, dial-up? |
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| 04:37.32 | hobophobe | Nopalin, like azta said, your motherboard should keep the time, if it doesn't you need a new battery so it will. |
| 04:37.33 | Nopalin | brownie17: i change my /etc/conf.d/clock and set clock to LOCAL, but it doesnt work |
| 04:37.40 | Nopalin | brownie17: not, dsl |
| 04:37.42 | brownie17 | Nopalin, your bios should keep the time while the computer is off if you don't unplug it frm the wall, and maybe even if you do. so maybe you need to make the computer set the system time from the bios clock on startup? |
| 04:38.00 | brownie17 | Nopalin, then why isn't your comp connected as you startup? |
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| 04:38.37 | brownie17 | i'm listening to "beat it" |
| 04:38.58 | OLLLY | . |
| 04:38.59 | OLLLY | Nopalinbrownie17: i change my /etc/conf.d/clock and set clock to LOCAL, but it doesnt work |
| 04:38.59 | OLLLY | Nopalinbrownie17: not, dsl |
| 04:38.59 | OLLLY | brownie17Nopalin, your bios should keep the time while the computer is off if you don't unplug it frm the wall, and maybe even if you do. so maybe you need to make the computer set the system time from the bios clock on startup? |
| 04:38.59 | OLLLY | 11:38brownie17Nopalin, then why isn't your comp connecte |
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| 04:39.01 | Nopalin | brownie17: because it is a laptop, and i move it to various places.. for that reason, i dont have enth0 up by default |
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| 04:40.23 | hobophobe | Nopalin, can you confirm if your BIOS is keeping the time or not? |
| 04:40.53 | Nopalin | hobophobe: i can... |
| 04:41.03 | Nopalin | so. let me check it out |
| 04:41.08 | Nopalin | check it |
| 04:41.15 | Nopalin | be right back |
| 04:43.11 | brownie17 | what's "olly"'s problem? |
| 04:43.34 | hobophobe | My guess is it was an accident, but not sure. |
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| 04:47.54 | befana | azta, after upgrade and install gnome-desktop-enviroment, I rebot. There are not any error warning. but, when i try gnome it return to initial window, and i only can use kde |
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| 04:50.04 | hobophobe | befana, well if it was due to an update your options are pretty much to wait it out or downgrade the package that is the trouble back to what it was before you upgraded it |
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| 04:51.57 | Nopalin | thanks.. my bios clocks was rong |
| 04:52.39 | hobophobe | Good to know you got it fixed, I hate when machines tell me wrong time :o) |
| 04:53.49 | Nopalin | hobophobe: yes.. but happend some weird.. i have to change clock conf to sync when the system goes down |
| 04:54.08 | Nopalin | hobophobe: only once, after that, the clocks works perfectly |
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| 04:58.32 | Mike_- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:00.53 | Mike_- | i see ,,Its history |
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| 05:14.05 | alantop01 | get list |
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| 05:15.56 | Mike_- | ok the big Q,Is the projected release month "Dec",for debian 4.0 going to be on time? |
| 05:17.42 | mynullvoid | my mail.log shows SSL_accept:error in SSLv3 read certificate verify A |
| 05:18.01 | mynullvoid | I can't auth - send outgoing mail |
| 05:19.04 | mynullvoid | SASL LOGIN authentication failed: generic failure |
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| 05:29.13 | simonrvn | mynullvoid: check your auth.log too |
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| 05:31.18 | Mike_- | Is there a wand ext available for firefox? |
| 05:31.45 | Mike_- | Have found mouse gestures |
| 05:32.12 | simonrvn | a who? how about you see addons.mozilla.org ... |
| 05:32.28 | Mike_- | ok |
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| 05:33.45 | simonrvn | this place is dead for a friday |
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| 05:36.06 | littleball | hello, i have lots of text files, i want to use sed to replace some words to others. i know sed can output the changed text to output, but how to save the changed file as the original file automatically? |
| 05:36.27 | ArrenLex | What's the status of nuvola? Is there any working open source 3d-capable nvidia yet? |
| 05:36.35 | ArrenLex | *driver? |
| 05:36.46 | simonrvn | ArrenLex: see their web site maybe? |
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| 05:37.23 | ArrenLex | simon: I did. But it looks the same as it did a year ago. I was wondering that maybe they, like the mplayer guys and the gnash guys, don't actually update their site, despite making progress with code. |
| 05:37.31 | simonrvn | littleball: something to do with shell redirection. man page has more |
| 05:37.42 | simonrvn | ArrenLex: i don't know |
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| 05:37.58 | sanabriamusic | anyone knows how can i update my debian system? |
| 05:38.09 | ArrenLex | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 05:38.35 | simonrvn | install aptitude, set the options you like from the menu (F10) |
| 05:38.37 | sanabriamusic | thanks |
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| 05:39.01 | CcSsNET | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:39.16 | CcSsNET | and apt-cache search program-name |
| 05:39.19 | simonrvn | be careful with that |
| 05:39.24 | CcSsNET | s usefull as well |
| 05:39.30 | CcSsNET | is* |
| 05:40.21 | CcSsNET | whats to be carefull with dist-upgrade? |
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| 05:42.38 | sanabriamusic | when i put a music cd it sounds ok but if its some other type like a webpage it makes a rumbling noise |
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| 05:44.30 | sanabriamusic | brb my pc wants to freeze with the apt |
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| 05:46.53 | insmod | everytime i list a page with dmoz.org google is the last to add it -- if they even do -- google sucks --google if you want to see half the web --- anyone like another search engine i am siding with webcrawler |
| 05:47.59 | mynullvoid | simonrvn: i think it's because I upgrade my openssl yesterday |
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| 05:52.52 | Nopalin | i need help.. i installed apache, but when i start it and go to localhot, it shows me html source, not page |
| 05:53.06 | simonrvn | mynullvoid: eh, mine's behaving |
| 05:53.09 | mynullvoid | simonrvn: certificate has expired |
| 05:53.19 | simonrvn | that would do it ;) |
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| 05:53.48 | mynullvoid | simonrvn: openssl verify -purpose sslclient -CAfile cacert.pem newcert.pem newreq.pem |
| 05:54.03 | mynullvoid | simonrvn how do I create a new cert? |
| 05:54.34 | simonrvn | i use a shell script using /usr/lib/openssl/CA.pl and some other openssl commands |
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| 05:55.20 | Xorm | If anyone knows offhand, how/can you make a separator in a fluxbox menu? |
| 05:55.21 | Guerin | Nopalin: fgi. There's a good stepthrough on myrddin.net or someplace lilke |
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| 05:56.14 | Xorm | [separator] |
| 05:56.14 | simonrvn | mynullvoid: mind if i /query you? i'll paste you the script |
| 05:57.25 | mynullvoid | simonrvn: ./CA.pl –newca |
| 05:58.31 | simonrvn | yeh, but i prefer a bit of customisation |
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| 06:01.10 | mynullvoid | simonrvn: that's all? |
| 06:01.39 | simonrvn | also, when it asks for a certificate password, DO NOT set one |
| 06:02.04 | simonrvn | yup. all based on the CA cert and the CA key |
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| 06:05.02 | mortal5 | howdy folks, |
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| 06:05.10 | ArrenLex | !hi |
| 06:05.11 | dpkg | hello, arrenlex |
| 06:05.14 | ArrenLex | Hee. xD |
| 06:05.43 | mortal5 | I just set up a program that loads an aweful lot of ips into iptables, (kinda like peerguardian for linux) |
| 06:06.27 | mortal5 | I don't really know how iptables works though, and I'm kinda worried that if I don't like it, I won't be able to remove them |
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| 06:09.45 | wols_ | man iptables, especiall look for "flush" |
| 06:09.55 | wols_ | or somply reboot and run the program anymore |
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| 06:10.05 | wols_ | *don't run |
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| 06:10.31 | Kevin` | I like to use iptables-save and iptables-restore to change things after initially setting up the rules |
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| 06:11.47 | mortal5 | wols_, I was just wondering if this would be a light wieght way to replace Azureus and safepeer |
| 06:12.10 | mortal5 | I was gona go with rtorrent and moblock |
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| 06:13.52 | Guerin | well |
| 06:14.04 | Guerin | rtorrent is the best client out there, bar none |
| 06:14.16 | Guerin | unless you need specialist stuff like superseeding, which I don't think it does |
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| 06:14.26 | Guerin | no idea what safepeer is |
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| 06:15.51 | mynullvoid | simonrvn: what about PEM password? |
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| 06:16.13 | mortal5 | Guerin, safepeer is a plugin for azureus that basically blocks connection attempts by unmentionible mega-corps :p |
| 06:16.16 | sanabriamusic | it said something about the sound server not responding right |
| 06:16.23 | Guerin | mortal5: oh. |
| 06:16.33 | sanabriamusic | and i cant still change my display from 640 res |
| 06:16.40 | Guerin | mortal5: like a rbl for bittorrent, scary. |
| 06:16.50 | mortal5 | rbl? |
| 06:16.57 | Guerin | mortal5: real-time blacklist |
| 06:17.03 | Guerin | mortal5: like for email server |
| 06:17.03 | mortal5 | yes |
| 06:17.04 | Guerin | s |
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| 06:17.46 | mortal5 | and believe me, these guys are paranoid, I believe safepeer blocks about 60% of the net right now, lol |
| 06:17.55 | Guerin | really? |
| 06:17.59 | mortal5 | i forget |
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| 06:18.02 | Guerin | that makes it fucking worthless, then |
| 06:18.08 | sanabriamusic | whos's safepeer |
| 06:18.11 | mortal5 | it's quite a large percentage though |
| 06:18.20 | Guerin | sanabriamusic: read up |
| 06:18.25 | mortal5 | :) |
| 06:18.34 | sanabriamusic | hm never heard of it |
| 06:18.45 | mortal5 | cause you don't use azureus |
| 06:18.46 | sanabriamusic | is it a security server? |
| 06:18.54 | sanabriamusic | oh ok |
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| 06:18.58 | Guerin | sanabriamusic: read the damn explanation above |
| 06:19.13 | sanabriamusic | i just logged in |
| 06:19.23 | mortal5 | Guerin, shame on you, some folks are slow readers :p |
| 06:19.36 | sanabriamusic | thts ok fuck safepeer |
| 06:19.42 | Guerin | i agree |
| 06:19.42 | sanabriamusic | and fuck osama and bush |
| 06:19.43 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 06:19.57 | mortal5 | ._. |
| 06:20.19 | sanabriamusic | o k i read it |
| 06:20.20 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 06:20.22 | sanabriamusic | hahaha |
| 06:20.28 | mortal5 | Guerin, I'll bet you don't even own a tinfoil hat |
| 06:20.38 | sanabriamusic | i was like duh thinking about my pc being messed up |
| 06:20.54 | Guerin | mortal5: I don't but I bet I could make one in under a minute |
| 06:20.57 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 06:20.58 | sanabriamusic | is that like a metal condom? |
| 06:20.59 | sanabriamusic | jk |
| 06:21.01 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 06:21.12 | simonrvn | i really dislike that. someone asks a question and they leave |
| 06:21.33 | simonrvn | sanabriamusic: was that supposed to be funny? |
| 06:21.38 | sanabriamusic | no |
| 06:21.43 | sanabriamusic | rough and cold |
| 06:21.44 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 06:21.51 | Guerin | ... |
| 06:21.56 | simonrvn | metal condom would be really comfortable |
| 06:22.04 | simonrvn | uncomfortable even |
| 06:22.09 | sanabriamusic | yeah on that pussy right? |
| 06:22.10 | mortal5 | 0_o |
| 06:22.11 | sanabriamusic | aha |
| 06:22.19 | mortal5 | o_0 |
| 06:22.20 | simonrvn | wth |
| 06:22.22 | sanabriamusic | oops the |
| 06:22.29 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 06:22.42 | Guerin | sanabriamusic: ok, you can stop pretending your a nine year-old now |
| 06:22.45 | Guerin | we believe you |
| 06:22.45 | sanabriamusic | get over hereee |
| 06:22.49 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 06:23.14 | sanabriamusic | good i can type with both hands now ..i took my tumb of my mouth |
| 06:23.16 | sanabriamusic | thanks |
| 06:23.27 | mortal5 | simonrvn, I haven't had the heart to tell him they're not balloon animals |
| 06:23.30 | Guerin | sanabriamusic: if only h{is,er} father had ... |
| 06:23.33 | sanabriamusic | nah |
| 06:23.33 | Guerin | simonrvn: |
| 06:23.40 | sanabriamusic | whats a condom |
| 06:24.01 | sanabriamusic | lol good one |
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| 06:24.10 | sanabriamusic | yeah that would have been good for humanity |
| 06:24.18 | hobophobe | What does "FTFBS" stand for? Is there a list of all these acronyms somewhere (NMU, ITP, etc.)? |
| 06:24.38 | sanabriamusic | i woudlnt had to endure bill gates and his microsoft windows |
| 06:24.49 | sanabriamusic | and now linux with no sound and low resolution |
| 06:25.28 | CHodapp | Anyone have any idea what's going on here? Any OpenGL apps that I run are trying to basically render off-screen... everything in the window is shifted to the left by about 50% |
| 06:25.41 | hobophobe | ah, fails to build from source |
| 06:25.56 | sanabriamusic | dam |
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| 06:26.04 | sanabriamusic | is almost on your television |
| 06:26.21 | sanabriamusic | i thought i had it bad |
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| 06:27.04 | sanabriamusic | am out of here am gonna go read about safepeer |
| 06:27.11 | sanabriamusic | just kidding numbnuts |
| 06:27.13 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 06:27.15 | sanabriamusic | laters |
| 06:27.54 | hobophobe | CHodapp, it depends on the driver/card/etc. What if you go fullscreen? Same? |
| 06:29.51 | CHodapp | hobophobe, fullscreen is unaffected... it's Radeon 9250 with open source DRI |
| 06:30.12 | CHodapp | sometimes it seems to relate to moving the window |
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| 06:33.52 | hobophobe | Very odd bug, does resizing do anything? What about putting two of the same app (ie, glxgears) next to each other? What window manager, X server, etc.? |
| 06:36.19 | hobophobe | It almost sounds like it's something where the opengl thinks you're running a different width or something along those lines. It's all opengl (ie, an opengl game, a video player that uses opengl overlay, etc.)? |
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| 06:50.10 | wols_ | CHodapp: fglrx or radeon driver? |
| 06:50.24 | hobophobe | radeon |
| 06:50.58 | ^Lem^ | hi all, i'm having an issue with fonts. i get the following message when I try to install openoffice, and anything font related: Updating fontconfig cache... <insert font directory here> failed to write cache |
| 06:52.10 | jelly | where is "hald" started from? |
| 06:52.57 | jelly | I've killed the process since it was run under a nonexistent user, and now I can't find how to restart it. |
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| 06:53.27 | Makro2 | hello |
| 06:53.46 | Makro2 | i need to install gtk+, so what files should i looking for |
| 06:54.12 | jelly | brb |
| 06:54.51 | cafuego | Fine then, leave. |
| 06:56.00 | wols_ | Makro2: libgtk |
| 06:56.10 | Guerin | !hr |
| 06:56.11 | dpkg | methinks hr is Croatia |
| 06:56.21 | Makro2 | wols: ok thanks |
| 06:56.40 | Guerin | Hroatia? |
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| 06:57.19 | Aque0s | lo |
| 06:57.42 | Aque0s | can sum1 please explain what the commands for del/copy etc are, or where i can find them |
| 06:59.15 | wols_ | Republic of Croatia = Republika Hrvatska |
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| 06:59.58 | mike | hi, how is it possible to list all the active connections to a particular program? |
| 07:00.03 | wols_ | !tell Aque0s about refcard |
| 07:00.12 | wols_ | mike: netstat |
| 07:00.23 | mike | i would normally do a netstat, but there is too many connections |
| 07:00.44 | wols_ | netstat |grep then |
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| 07:00.58 | jelly | lsof would work |
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| 07:02.22 | jelly | lsof -n -p some-pid |grep TCP for example |
| 07:02.51 | SkareCrow | is there like a file that shows what is mounted |
| 07:02.53 | mike | thanks jelly :D |
| 07:02.59 | SkareCrow | instead of typing mount - can i just go to a file |
| 07:03.30 | wols_ | SkareCrow: /etc/mtab |
| 07:03.36 | SkareCrow | thx |
| 07:03.53 | wols_ | netstat -anp |grep <name of process> |
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| 07:17.42 | Aque0s | how do u install a .deb pakage? |
| 07:17.57 | Yamaraj | dpkg -i <deb-pkg-name> |
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| 07:18.11 | Aque0s | thx :) |
| 07:18.18 | Yamaraj | np |
| 07:18.21 | Aque0s | and |
| 07:18.23 | wols_ | !tell Aque0s about refcard |
| 07:18.41 | PumpkinPie | !tell pumpkinpie about refcard |
| 07:18.50 | Aque0s | i have been having a serious problem with compiling targz |
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| 07:19.04 | Aque0s | its tar fx ./<tarhere> |
| 07:19.21 | Aque0s | rite? |
| 07:19.46 | Yamaraj | tar -zxvf <gzipped-tarball> |
| 07:19.54 | Aque0s | cause it keeps giving me an error saying that the archive does not look like a tar archive |
| 07:20.17 | Yamaraj | tar, tar.gz and tar.bz2 are different. |
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| 07:20.38 | Guerin | compiling? |
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| 07:23.48 | wols | Guerin: isn't that what one does under linux? compile all day and night? |
| 07:24.30 | Yamaraj | More so, if it's Slackware or Gentoo. |
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| 07:27.18 | b0nk3r | i just installed current version of debian, i did a 'startx' and get a black/white snowy screen with an X in the middle. |
| 07:27.20 | b0nk3r | whats this mean? |
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| 07:28.53 | karsten | What are the VOIP options for Debian these days? |
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| 07:29.30 | roxy_ | I am studying for lpi and got some trouble with ppp connection and this chat script: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ir57FV30.html . Anyone knowlegeable about it ? |
| 07:29.37 | roxy_ | karsten: what about asterisk ? |
| 07:29.47 | karsten | roxy_: Isn't that more a local PBX replacement? |
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| 07:30.25 | roxy_ | karsten: yes it is. I thought it was what you were looking for. |
| 07:31.15 | Yamaraj | karsten: Are you Karsten Hahn by any chance? |
| 07:31.34 | jelly | roxy_: looks reasonable. Good luck finding an actual modem server that will give a prompt and not get straight into ppp mode. |
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| 07:32.57 | karsten | Yamaraj: No. Self. |
| 07:33.21 | roxy_ | jelly: the script is from my book. I don't understand it. It says, first word is expected response from modem, then send string. Is that correct ? |
| 07:33.30 | jelly | roxy_: yes. |
| 07:33.43 | karsten | roxy_: This is asked on behalf of a somewhat confused friend. I guess the question is: a VOIP client that interacts with the rest of the world. For POTS interconnectivity you'd have to do Skype or something, right? |
| 07:34.03 | roxy_ | jelly: the first '' comes from the modem, ATZ is from the server asking the modem to reset. |
| 07:34.06 | Yamaraj | karsten: Alright. If you were, I would have thanked you for a script I got from Hahn. |
| 07:34.18 | karsten | Yamaraj: Thanks accepted ;-) |
| 07:34.19 | jelly | roxy_: at start you don't expect modem to tell you anything by itself, so left side is and empty string. |
| 07:34.27 | Yamaraj | Haha |
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| 07:34.39 | jelly | roxy_: *an empty string. |
| 07:35.20 | Aque0s | should i use gnome or kde? |
| 07:35.21 | roxy_ | jelly: so the modem is giving the ogin promt and the server is giving the login name and password ??? shouldn't it be the server asking for login and password and modem giving it |
| 07:35.44 | roxy_ | Aque0s: if you use emacs use gnome if you use vi use kde |
| 07:35.53 | jelly | roxy_: you are seeing the conversation between your modem and your computer. |
| 07:36.02 | Aque0s | emacs?? vi?? |
| 07:36.32 | roxy_ | jelly: duh. thanks. I thought it was between the modem and the other side of the link. |
| 07:36.44 | jelly | roxy_: np |
| 07:36.52 | roxy_ | Aque0s: just joking. your question makes no sense. |
| 07:37.06 | wols | karsten: you need a VoIP gateway to POTS of sorts. could be skype but could also be a digium (sp?) card |
| 07:37.27 | roxy_ | Aque0s: try both and see for yourself. |
| 07:37.30 | jelly | Aque0s: do you like it simple or do you like to tinker a lot? |
| 07:37.36 | wols | Aque0s: use whatever you like best |
| 07:37.38 | Yamaraj | Aque0s: Gnome and KDE aren't the only available choices. There is XFce and tons of window managers as well. |
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| 07:37.46 | benluo | hi |
| 07:38.05 | Aque0s | which is the least resource intensive? |
| 07:38.21 | karsten | wols: What's a digium card? |
| 07:38.28 | wols | roxy_: it's very easy. first word is what the modem gives back to expect (or any other prorgam managing the login) and the 2nd string is what expect answers |
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| 07:39.09 | wols | karsten:http://www.digium.com/en/products/hardware/analogcards.php something like that |
| 07:39.24 | Yamaraj | Aque0s: You may want to look for twm, fluxbox, blackbox, openbox, ratpoison, wmii, fvwm, dtm, ion, ion3 and other low resource WMs. |
| 07:39.45 | wols | you either need to do your own conversion to POTS from VoIP with those cards or other hardware, OR you need a service provider to do it for you like a VoIP company or skype |
| 07:40.14 | wols | Aque0s: xfce probably uses least ressources and is still fairly easy to use |
| 07:40.18 | Aque0s | but out of kde and gnome which is the least resource intensive? |
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| 07:40.27 | wols | Aque0s: none. they're the same |
| 07:40.35 | Aque0s | hmm, kk thx |
| 07:41.06 | Yamaraj | Neither is suitable for a RAM deficient system. |
| 07:41.27 | wols | Aque0s: may I ask why you chose debian for your linux system? |
| 07:41.43 | karsten | wols: Thanks. |
| 07:42.15 | Aque0s | because people say its the best for a new user |
| 07:42.22 | wols | which people? |
| 07:42.32 | Aque0s | and... i need to run a few server apps on it.. |
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| 07:42.34 | Aque0s | umm |
| 07:42.45 | wols | maybe you should look to something like ubuntu first: seems it's more at your level ef expertise? |
| 07:42.50 | Aque0s | Phate and his linux channel from the atrum irc network |
| 07:43.05 | wols | if you run server apps on it, why are you asking about X environments? |
| 07:43.09 | craigevil | yuck ubuntu |
| 07:43.17 | wols | craigevil: it has its place |
| 07:43.19 | Aque0s | cause i am a n00b lol |
| 07:43.29 | wols | Aque0s: that's not a reason |
| 07:43.37 | Yamaraj | I wouldn't recommend Ubuntu to someone with even a day worth of experience with Debian. |
| 07:43.40 | craigevil | not any easier to config or install apps in ubuntu |
| 07:43.41 | wols | what servers do you want to run |
| 07:44.09 | Aque0s | IRC, WoW, PvPGN |
| 07:44.10 | wols | craigevil: the install itself is easier for people who are new and the whole distro is geared towards them |
| 07:44.30 | jelly | craigevil: it's easy to install and provides a polished ui by default. everything works. |
| 07:44.44 | wols | there is a reason it's called "debian with trainingwheels" |
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| 07:44.51 | wols | it's a bit derogatory, but true |
| 07:45.02 | Aque0s | well, i want to learn anyway.. |
| 07:45.08 | wols | and trainingwheels are good. whoe else to learn to ride a bike |
| 07:45.09 | Yamaraj | I would call it - "Debian in shackles". |
| 07:45.15 | craigevil | if you say so, ive messed with installing it like 5 times had problems everytime |
| 07:45.32 | wols | Aque0s: asking us everything and typing what we tell you is not learning. it's rote memorization or being a typist |
| 07:45.51 | craigevil | I would recommend Kanotix,Knoppix or even Xandros, Linspire before Ubuntu |
| 07:46.10 | wols | Aque0s: I don't say you shouldn't use debian, just saying there are alternatives which might be better suited to your current experience |
| 07:46.18 | Aque0s | FFS PPL.... i am goung with debian... i like the name |
| 07:46.22 | Yamaraj | I say, stay with Debian and do some reading. |
| 07:46.23 | Aque0s | :P |
| 07:46.33 | Aque0s | Debian FTW |
| 07:46.37 | wols | Yamaraj: that's the problem. he doesn't seem to do much reading |
| 07:46.47 | Aque0s | i HATE reading! |
| 07:46.54 | wols | then debian is NOT for you |
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| 07:46.54 | craigevil | Stay with Debian but read the documentation before akisn questions |
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| 07:47.03 | craigevil | and learn to use Google |
| 07:47.14 | Aque0s | lol |
| 07:47.21 | wols | debian assumes and requires by default to do reading |
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| 07:47.25 | Aque0s | so where must i read? |
| 07:47.32 | jelly | Aque0s: you're not going to like Debian very much then, it demands reading abilities. ;-) |
| 07:47.36 | karsten | Aque0s: http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 07:47.42 | karsten | Aque0s: Start with the install guide and FAQ. |
| 07:47.47 | Aque0s | ROFLMAO jelly |
| 07:47.59 | wols | Aque0s: depends a bit what you do. but googling for it and then reading (things like howtos, documentation,etc) is a must |
| 07:47.59 | karsten | Aque0s: We're not laughing. |
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| 07:48.21 | Yamaraj | Aque0s: And keep a 1000 pages UNIX manual handy. ;-) |
| 07:48.51 | jelly | maybe other stuff from !grounding |
| 07:49.02 | wols | !tell Aque0s about grounding |
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| 07:49.30 | craigevil | a lot of the debian docs can either be installed or downloaded |
| 07:49.47 | wols | Aque0s: most problems you have and ask about here, we will simply point you to the correct docs, manuals and howtso. and We do expect you to read them |
| 07:49.54 | wols | and we can tell if you have read them or nto |
| 07:49.56 | craigevil | this is a good site for quick ref info> http://www.digilife.be/quickreferences/quickrefs.htm |
| 07:52.05 | Aque0s | OMG |
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| 07:52.10 | Aque0s | its like 5000 pges long |
| 07:52.20 | wols | welcome to linux |
| 07:52.23 | Aque0s | aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! |
| 07:52.34 | Aque0s | thats like a year of reading |
| 07:52.41 | wols | you don't have to read it all and understand it all. mostly it's only needed to know where to look when a problem arises |
| 07:52.50 | Aque0s | and i need this server working by monday :( |
| 07:52.55 | Yamaraj | Aque0s: It's a 'reference' for a reason. |
| 07:53.05 | wols | again: what kind of server? what's it supposed to do? |
| 07:53.11 | karsten | Aque0s: Sounds like a personal problem. |
| 07:53.12 | Aque0s | cmon guys..... help me on this 1 |
| 07:53.15 | wols | and don't tell me "mail", cause then you got a problem |
| 07:53.15 | Aque0s | no |
| 07:53.24 | Aque0s | ok: |
| 07:53.29 | Aque0s | WoWEmu |
| 07:53.32 | wols | no we won't do your work for you. we will help you, but won#t do your work |
| 07:53.34 | Aque0s | UnrealIRCd |
| 07:53.39 | karsten | !clues for the clueful |
| 07:53.40 | dpkg | hmm... clues for the clueful is well, I'm not God. I'm a helpful bloke with Debian experience. I provide clues for the clueful. Brains for the brainless are far beyond my meager powers. |
| 07:53.41 | Aque0s | PvPGN |
| 07:54.07 | Aque0s | umm... Apache |
| 07:54.13 | Aque0s | yeah.... |
| 07:54.20 | wols | WoWEmu really sounds like something violating DMCA and getting sued to the ground by blizzard |
| 07:54.27 | Aque0s | but WoWEmu requires WINE |
| 07:54.36 | wols | then install wine |
| 07:54.41 | Aque0s | i hav |
| 07:54.59 | Aque0s | and i have started reading the faq |
| 07:55.10 | Aque0s | just cant fnd the f'ing command to start a prog |
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| 07:55.34 | craigevil | you have to associated the file type with wine |
| 07:55.35 | wols | just like under any other os "progname executable" in a shell. that's all |
| 07:55.47 | craigevil | actually you have to configure wine not just install it |
| 07:55.52 | brownie17 | i need help mounting an image. can someone tell me why i got this error: "ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy - mount: you must specify the filesystem type" |
| 07:56.06 | wols | bobwhoops: -t iso9660 |
| 07:56.22 | wols | brownie17: |
| 07:56.42 | Aque0s | hmmm |
| 07:56.43 | Aque0s | ok |
| 07:56.52 | karsten | brownie17: paste your command. |
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| 07:57.05 | Aque0s | i installed wine via the apt... will that have done the assosiation |
| 07:57.20 | wols | afaik no. it still needs some manual config |
| 07:57.29 | Aque0s | i see... |
| 07:57.41 | Aque0s | and under which F'ing long guide can i find that? |
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| 07:57.44 | brownie17 | karsten, sudo mount -t iso9660 "Battle Royale II (2003) DVDRiP KVCD (TUS release).iso" /media/battle -o loop |
| 07:57.52 | Aque0s | cause i need this done by monday :))))))) |
| 07:58.25 | karsten | Aque0s: When you need this by has *no* relevance to us. What you need done, what resources you have, and your ability to learn and follow instructions does. |
| 07:58.33 | karsten | Aque0s: Get over yourself already. |
| 07:58.42 | Aque0s | ok ok |
| 07:58.53 | brownie17 | karsten, don't be a dick |
| 07:59.02 | Aque0s | if i had ops.... |
| 07:59.13 | karsten | brownie17: Do you want help or what? |
| 07:59.14 | brownie17 | Aque0s, we'd all be the worse for it |
| 07:59.34 | craigevil | Aqueos run winesetup |
| 07:59.40 | karsten | Aque0s: all packages have some docs under /usr/share/doc/<packagename> |
| 07:59.45 | brownie17 | karsten, i'd prefer it from someone who was impartial and polite. but if i can't have that i guess i'll work it out myself |
| 08:00.02 | wols | brownie17: good luck |
| 08:00.04 | karsten | Aque0s: There are also frequently additional packages with a "<name>-doc" extension. |
| 08:00.09 | karsten | brownie17: Any dmesg output? |
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| 08:00.35 | wols | karsten: you're not impartial or polite, so stop already. didn't you hear the man? |
| 08:00.37 | karsten | brownie17: and any chance you could rename that ISO to something sane under Linux conventions? Spaces and parentheses are special under shell. |
| 08:00.43 | karsten | wols: Point. |
| 08:00.47 | brownie17 | karsten, /join #flood? |
| 08:00.59 | karsten | brownie17: Thanks, I'm out. Good luck. |
| 08:00.59 | brownie17 | karsten, sure i can rename it |
| 08:01.34 | karsten | wols: Thanks for the sanity check. |
| 08:01.43 | Khellendros | night |
| 08:02.23 | brownie17 | wols, look all i'm saying is that it was extremely unfair to have a go at the poor guy when all he's looking for is a bit of help. he wasn't be forceful when he stated the deadline just make conversation. |
| 08:03.14 | brownie17 | wols, karsten, I reckon it is *GREAT* that you're on here giving up your time to help n00bs, but there's no need to get narky. if you don't have people skills maybe you're not suited to doing tyhis. |
| 08:03.19 | jelly | Aque0s: to run a windows command, first set up a windows environment with winesetup like craigevil suggests. after that you should be able to do "wine foo.exe". |
| 08:03.46 | karsten | jelly: Isn't there a way to get the kernel to invoke wine directly? |
| 08:03.51 | Guerin | brownie17: why get narky yourself? |
| 08:04.37 | jelly | karsten: yes there is, but a) I didn't ever set it up, b) I don't see the point. |
| 08:04.53 | Guerin | i have a simpler plan |
| 08:04.59 | karsten | Guerin: Is it cunning? |
| 08:05.05 | Guerin | if you really need to be running windows commands by monday, install windows |
| 08:05.07 | karsten | jelly: The point is the sharp bit at the end ;-) |
| 08:05.10 | Guerin | karsten: not really. |
| 08:05.24 | brownie17 | Guerin, i wasn't sure i was getting narku |
| 08:05.35 | jelly | Guerin: that's a more reasonable suggestion. |
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| 08:06.05 | karsten | Guerin: Stop being reasonable! |
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| 08:06.28 | Guerin | brownie17: you are. You're making judgments based on virtually no evidence, in a situation you don't have any clear experience with. |
| 08:06.40 | Guerin | Or if you do, it appears to be under more benign conditions. |
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| 08:07.16 | Guerin | karsten: it ain't easy. |
| 08:07.20 | brownie17 | Guerin, are you serious? whatever, you guys seriously need to learn to be polite. goodbye |
| 08:07.38 | Guerin | !customer |
| 08:07.38 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 08:08.18 | wols | Aque0s: I don't think anyone here exeperienced with linux thinks you will manage to install and run those 3-4 servers your mentioned until monday. But if you still wanna try, start with apache2 first. It's probably the easiest. keep WoWEmu as last |
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| 08:11.04 | dn4 | Ok I just installed alsa for sarge and alsa doesn't have emu10k1 drivers with it so now I cannot use my soundcard b/c everything got messed up when I tried to install alsa. |
| 08:11.32 | wols | dn4: kinda strange since every kernel since forever has emu10k1 alsa support |
| 08:11.42 | Guerin | dn4: wtf |
| 08:11.49 | Guerin | dn4: alsa is in sarge by default |
| 08:11.55 | karsten | dn4: How's alsa mess your soundcard? Check mixer levels? alsamixer & aumix recommended. |
| 08:12.08 | Guerin | oh, wait - by default with 2.6 kernels |
| 08:12.09 | dn4 | Guerin, I did the net install |
| 08:12.24 | Guerin | dn4: install a 2.6 kernel and alsa-base and alsa-utils |
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| 08:12.32 | Guerin | dn4: then run alsaconf |
| 08:12.35 | karsten | Guerin: ... and awesfx? |
| 08:12.35 | wols | dn4: that doesn't matter. it's still in sarge. explain more what you did exactly.and what kernel you have |
| 08:13.02 | Guerin | wtf is awesfx? |
| 08:13.16 | wols | Guerin: it's awe-some evidently |
| 08:13.16 | karsten | !info awesfx |
| 08:13.23 | dpkg | awesfx: (utility programs for AWE32/64 and Emu10k1 driver), section sound, is extra. Version: 0.5.0b-2 (sid), Packaged size: 147 kB, Installed size: 484 kB |
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| 08:13.33 | Guerin | oo |
| 08:13.34 | wols | AWE was a type of creative soundcard |
| 08:13.51 | Guerin | wols: i realise that, I just didn't realise they bothered to write special shit for it |
| 08:14.55 | karsten | Aque0s: Read Russian? |
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| 08:15.43 | wols | karsten: someone with tld .za and russian? |
| 08:15.53 | dn4 | I did the net install of Sarge kernel 2.4.27-3-386. From there the sound card worked find with OSS drivers, but I needed alsa for sequencing purposes. I do apt-get install alsa-base && alsa-utils . . I do alsaconf and it says modinfo: snd: no module found by that name and none was found |
| 08:16.10 | karsten | wols: Stranger things have happened. |
| 08:16.16 | karsten | wols: Someone with .com TLD and a clue? |
| 08:16.25 | wols | dn4: do what Guerin said. kernel 2.6 is good for you |
| 08:16.32 | roxy_ | when/why use the persist option with pppd ? |
| 08:16.35 | wols | karsten: now you're making shit up |
| 08:16.41 | karsten | wols: ;-) |
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| 08:17.37 | dn4 | wols, I think the alsa package for sarge needs to be recompiled, as for now time to install a 2.6 kernel |
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| 08:18.27 | cahoot | dn4: a 2.6 kernelshould inlculde all necessary modules for a emu10k1 card |
| 08:18.34 | wols | dn4: what I wonder is what a "snd" moudle is supposed to be. since there is none. most alsa modules begin with snd_ tho |
| 08:18.39 | karsten | Aque0s: This *may* be useful for your WOWemu issue: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bboard.de%2Fforen-archiv%2F2%2F116800%2F116800%2Fwowemu-amp-linux-44474071-6420-86.html&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&prev=%2Flanguage_tools |
| 08:18.43 | karsten | Aque0s: Bookmark that. |
| 08:18.46 | ma3x | what is this tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755) |
| 08:18.49 | ma3x | how do I remove that? |
| 08:18.58 | ma3x | its taking me 475M |
| 08:19.02 | wols | ma3x: you don't |
| 08:19.10 | dn4 | where is that debian paste bin? I'll sohw you exactly what alsaconf says |
| 08:19.13 | dn4 | !dpkg paste |
| 08:19.20 | ma3x | wols why not |
| 08:19.24 | wols | and it's not taking up anything unless you actually use it |
| 08:19.44 | dn4 | brb |
| 08:19.45 | wols | ma3x: it's a ramdisk |
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| 08:20.03 | ma3x | wols you mean reserving 475M of my ram memory for disk usage? |
| 08:20.15 | wols | not reserving |
| 08:20.25 | ma3x | but what? using? |
| 08:20.30 | karsten | wols: What would a ramdisk mount be doing there? |
| 08:20.51 | ma3x | that's what I'm wondering too |
| 08:20.51 | wols | karsten: where? |
| 08:20.54 | ma3x | here |
| 08:21.01 | karsten | wols: /lib/init/rw |
| 08:21.05 | wols | ah yes. strange location |
| 08:21.11 | ma3x | devshm 475M 0 475M 0% /dev/shm |
| 08:21.11 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.30 | karsten | ma3x: 'umount' should get rid of that. Might run 'fuser -mv /lib/init/rw' first to see what's using it. |
| 08:21.50 | karsten | ma3x: That's a very odd location for a mountpoint IME. |
| 08:22.01 | ma3x | karsten, it doesn't show anything |
| 08:22.08 | karsten | ma3x: If you can sort out where it came from ... |
| 08:22.27 | karsten | ma3x: Good news: no open files on the filesystem. So umount /lib/init/rw should work. |
| 08:22.36 | wols | ma3x: are you running websvn? |
| 08:22.37 | karsten | ma3x: ... where it came from, that would be useful info. |
| 08:22.43 | ma3x | wols, no |
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| 08:22.57 | ma3x | karsten, I typed the fuser command, but it didn't show anything |
| 08:23.04 | ma3x | what else should I type so that I can get the info? |
| 08:23.19 | usn_work | hi folx |
| 08:23.31 | karsten | ma3x: Right. 'fuser' shows the user (and processes) using a file. With the '-mv' options, "file" |
| 08:23.31 | ma3x | and btw what is this devshm 475M 0 475M 0% /dev/shm |
| 08:23.57 | ma3x | karsten, so then no process is using that directory |
| 08:24.01 | karsten | ma3x: ... "file" == mountpoint and '-v' == verbose. Run "fuser -mv /var" for typical output. |
| 08:24.07 | karsten | ma3x: My point exactly. |
| 08:24.11 | ma3x | I typed what you told me to: fuser -mv /lib/init/rw |
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| 08:24.24 | wols | ma3x: I googled /lib/init/rw |
| 08:24.29 | ma3x | and? |
| 08:24.34 | wols | there are a few hits but nothing definitive |
| 08:24.40 | wols | pretty much all debian related tho |
| 08:25.04 | ma3x | yes ok |
| 08:25.15 | ma3x | and devshm, should I umount that too |
| 08:25.26 | karsten | wols: Did you search groups? |
| 08:25.34 | karsten | wols: Looks like sysvinit |
| 08:25.38 | ma3x | I mean I've got 1G ram and I don't need additional disk space |
| 08:26.10 | ma3x | karsten, you know some good and cheap hardware store in germany? |
| 08:26.23 | karsten | ma3x: Why should I? |
| 08:26.35 | wols | karsten: cause you have a genuine german name |
| 08:26.40 | cahoot | omniscient? |
| 08:26.51 | ma3x | karsten, I don't know |
| 08:26.54 | ma3x | i'm just asking |
| 08:27.05 | wols | ma3x: wouldn't the store you can go to depend on where you exactly live? |
| 08:27.06 | ma3x | ah, yes of course karsten |
| 08:27.15 | karsten | wols: Yes I do. I don't have a German passport. |
| 08:27.17 | wols | do you want to drive all the way from hamburg to munich for example? |
| 08:27.21 | ma3x | wols, france, but it's all so expensive here |
| 08:27.26 | wols | karsten: your loss :P |
| 08:27.32 | ma3x | and I didn't find any decent online hardware stores |
| 08:27.34 | karsten | wols: Richtig. |
| 08:28.02 | wols | ma3x: what's your nearest german bigger town? or do you want a webship? |
| 08:28.15 | wols | s/town/city |
| 08:28.20 | ma3x | wols, paris |
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| 08:28.48 | ma3x | well online store, or somewhere in paris |
| 08:28.49 | dn4 | yep there seems to be a problem with kernel 2.4.27 |
| 08:28.52 | dn4 | 2.6 worked |
| 08:29.08 | ma3x | I found this big store surcouf.com, went there but its all so expensive |
| 08:29.09 | wols | paris isn't a "german bigger city" anymore since 1944 or soo... but imho paris is a bit too far to drive to germany |
| 08:29.25 | dn4 | thx for the help |
| 08:29.26 | dn4 | peace |
| 08:29.28 | wols | maybe look at geizhals.at/detuschland |
| 08:29.29 | ma3x | wols, I have no idea what the nearest german city to paris is |
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| 08:30.08 | wols | ma3x: whatever it is /Aachen?) it's quite a way away. the fuel costs wouldn't exceed the money saved |
| 08:30.20 | wols | geizhals.at/deutschland |
| 08:30.27 | wols | alternate is a farily OK shop |
| 08:30.36 | wols | alternate.de that is |
| 08:30.43 | ma3x | wols, well I mean I wouldn't go there |
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| 08:30.56 | ma3x | okay, geizhals.at is a comparing site, right? |
| 08:31.06 | wols | yes it is |
| 08:31.18 | wols | like pricegrabber |
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| 08:31.46 | ma3x | what do I type in for hdd enclosure |
| 08:31.53 | cahoot | this is becoming a Monty Python episode |
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| 08:32.42 | ma3x | wols, what do you say in german 'enclosure' ? |
| 08:32.43 | wols | cahoot: what would you suggest for a german webshop for hardware? |
| 08:33.06 | wols | ma3x: if you don't know any german, go and buy in belgium |
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| 08:33.44 | ma3x | wols, no no, I wouldn't go all the way to belgium or germany |
| 08:33.49 | cahoot | wols: no idea - the last 5 mins input is just absurd |
| 08:33.50 | ma3x | would probably order |
| 08:34.25 | wols | but in belgium you'd understand the language (mostly) |
| 08:34.48 | wols | btw: http://dict.leo.org/frde?lp=frde&search= |
| 08:34.48 | aeroSoul | alternate.de computeruniverse.net mindfactory.de |
| 08:34.55 | aeroSoul | dont know if they deliver to france |
| 08:35.01 | ma3x | okay thanks |
| 08:35.02 | wols | alternate does |
| 08:35.11 | aeroSoul | yes alternate is the best |
| 08:35.20 | wols | but pricy sometimes |
| 08:35.38 | ma3x | wols, etui = etui |
| 08:35.48 | ma3x | but it finds only 1 result on geizhals |
| 08:36.05 | aeroSoul | whats the purpose of "hdd enclosure"? |
| 08:36.15 | aeroSoul | you mean a case? usb? |
| 08:36.15 | wols | aeroSoul: external hdd case |
| 08:36.19 | ma3x | case, righ! |
| 08:36.23 | ma3x | firewire/usb |
| 08:36.39 | ma3x | I mean it's 40 euro here |
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| 08:36.48 | ma3x | for a little 2,5" case |
| 08:36.49 | wols | ma3x: that costs aorund ~30 euro around here. the shipping alone from .de will cost you more than it'S worth. why do you want to shop in .de? |
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| 08:37.01 | wols | if it'S for 2.5" probably more |
| 08:37.23 | ma3x | oh damn then |
| 08:37.40 | ma3x | I thought I would buy the case with a 40GB hdd, and it would come cheaper |
| 08:37.41 | aeroSoul | i ordered one from alternate for 29 €-... good one from coolermaster |
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| 08:38.12 | aeroSoul | http://www.alternate.de/html/shop/productListing4C.html?cat1=021&cat2=006&cat3=000&treeName=HARDWARE&Level1=Laufwerke&Level2=Geh%E4use&Level3=USB& |
| 08:38.46 | Aque0s | lo |
| 08:39.10 | ma3x | ok thats not bad |
| 08:39.35 | karsten | wols: ... and actually, the name's danish in origin ;-) |
| 08:39.40 | anapivirtua | Pom Pom Pom² all |
| 08:40.02 | ma3x | i would probably get a 2,5" cause I hate power adapters |
| 08:40.32 | Aque0s | umm |
| 08:40.43 | ma3x | aeroSoul, do you have external hd? |
| 08:41.01 | Aque0s | haxingsux |
| 08:41.45 | aeroSoul | yes usb |
| 08:42.16 | aeroSoul | with power adapter :\ |
| 08:42.58 | Yamaraj | External 3.5" are good, as you can't have 250GB or 500GB drives in 2'5" yet. |
| 08:43.14 | jelly | hm, cheapo usb(only) 2.5" cases here start from 10EUR. |
| 08:43.19 | Guerin | external 2.5 are dicey |
| 08:43.28 | ma3x | aeroSoul, and you don't get any resets every few days? I had external USB maxtor drive, and it always used to stale after being online active for 3-4 days. I had always to reset it |
| 08:43.36 | Guerin | many of them actually require a bit more powert than some usb ports can output |
| 08:43.47 | Yamaraj | Yes |
| 08:43.51 | Guerin | at least the 3.5s always come with an additional power input |
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| 08:44.00 | ma3x | aeroSoul, then I was told that usb is not yet that good and that the resets are normal. so I was wondering if firewire is more stable? |
| 08:44.00 | Yamaraj | And, that may have an adverse effect on the board. |
| 08:44.01 | aeroSoul | ma3x: i dont leave it on that long... |
| 08:44.25 | jelly | Guerin: yeah, I got that problem. the PS/2 connector to steal additional power helps sometimes. |
| 08:44.29 | wols | ma3x: if you want to use the hdd constantly, use firewire |
| 08:44.29 | Guerin | ma3x: firewire is generally better for transmitting data, but usb is much more versatile and supported |
| 08:44.38 | wols | it dunno about the reconnects, but it's cetainly faster |
| 08:45.01 | jelly | I hate both usb and firewire since no current chips seem to support ata passthru -- no SMART. |
| 08:45.22 | ma3x | Guerin, in which way do you mean? I meant which one is more stable, so that you don't get stales, resets, etc... |
| 08:45.26 | Yamaraj | Guerin: What if I connect 2.5" external to a USB hub that comes with its own power adapter? I don't want to hurt my ThinkPad. |
| 08:45.32 | aeroSoul | get a case with LAN access and own little OS then =) |
| 08:45.41 | ma3x | wols, thats what I thought too, firewire could be more stable |
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| 08:46.05 | Yamaraj | Firewire has no significant advantages over USB 2.0 |
| 08:46.10 | ma3x | and I don't know if it's true, but I think hard drives bigger than 100GB die more quickly |
| 08:46.14 | Guerin | Yamaraj: thinkpads always give enough power, and I've never heard of an extrenal drive causing damage by drawing power |
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| 08:46.29 | aeroSoul | ma3x: not really... |
| 08:46.37 | Guerin | Yamaraj: it's usable for ethernet and isn't host-client based |
| 08:47.08 | Guerin | ma3x: i don't know which is more stable. I'd guess firewire just because it's purpose-built. |
| 08:47.19 | ma3x | aeroSoul, I had this maxtor 250GB external drive and it died in 5-6 months. and I saw so many persons with the similar drive that didn't work anymore. |
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| 08:47.39 | aeroSoul | ma3x: maybe wrong producer,.. try seagate or western digital next time =) |
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| 08:47.55 | Yamaraj | Guerin: Also, firewire has better throughput and doesn't rely on data bursts, USB is common and cheaper. |
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| 08:48.10 | Yamaraj | *but |
| 08:48.11 | roxy_ | on a system with inetd, do all services have to use it or is it possible to start a service without using it ? |
| 08:48.16 | Guerin | Yamaraj: essentially because it's more versatile |
| 08:48.19 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:48.23 | Guerin | pros/cons |
| 08:48.29 | ma3x | Guerin, I especially hate the usb resets, no matter what brand of HD you have, your hard drive always stales. and if you're under linux you have to repower it, it doesn't restart just by itself |
| 08:48.30 | Guerin | both are pretty adequate, though |
| 08:48.30 | karsten | roxy_: Only as configured. /etc/inetd.conf |
| 08:48.41 | roxy_ | karsten: thanks |
| 08:48.44 | Guerin | ma3x: i've seen that happen about once ever |
| 08:49.01 | Guerin | ma3x: and I use usb drives a lot - 2.5 and 1.8 |
| 08:49.16 | ma3x | Guerin, do you leave them just for short time ON? |
| 08:49.20 | Aque0s | Yamaraj |
| 08:49.27 | Guerin | ma3x: no. |
| 08:49.33 | Aque0s | how do i assosiate .exe with wine? |
| 08:49.51 | Guerin | ma3x: i commonly have to leave them on overnight to transmit 20+ gigs |
| 08:49.57 | Guerin | Aque0s: no idea |
| 08:50.03 | Guerin | Aque0s: ##winehq |
| 08:50.03 | karsten | roxy_: Most startup scripts will check for an inetd startup, and not start a service if it's configured there. |
| 08:50.09 | Aque0s | th alot |
| 08:50.14 | Guerin | !alot |
| 08:50.14 | karsten | Aque0s: Don't worry about that right now. |
| 08:50.14 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 08:50.44 | ma3x | Guerin, what's 1,8? I've never seen that. isn't 2,5" the smallest? |
| 08:50.45 | karsten | Aque0s: You can write a wrapper script if you want. Just invokes wine + executable. |
| 08:51.01 | ttl- | Aque0s: wine blabla.exe |
| 08:51.05 | ma3x | Guerin, oh is that for mp3's, mac ... |
| 08:51.10 | Aque0s | HUH |
| 08:51.10 | Guerin | ma3x: nope. 1.8 is what's in mp3 players and such. Also some laptops. Made by toshiba, I think. |
| 08:51.26 | karsten | ma3x: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/04/28/small_is_beautiful/ |
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| 08:51.43 | Aque0s | and.... i have complied anope... now what file is the linux ".exe" the linux executalble |
| 08:51.43 | Guerin | karsten: don't tease him with writing wrapper scripts. Poor lad can't even spell 'a lot' |
| 08:51.57 | Guerin | !confuse Aque0s |
| 08:51.58 | dpkg | No, those was their mushroom yesterday, Aque0s? shirts of the republic of swaziland with extra herring |
| 08:52.04 | karsten | Aque0s: Enter "wine <winprogram.exe>" to run a win app under wine. |
| 08:52.06 | roxy_ | karsten: so if the startup script is badly written, then I could start a service not using inetd ? The service has to use inetd, it is not inetd that forces the service . |
| 08:52.18 | karsten | roxy_: What service? |
| 08:52.35 | roxy_ | karsten: httpd |
| 08:52.53 | Aque0s | umm |
| 08:52.54 | Guerin | running httpd from inetd is stupid |
| 08:52.55 | karsten | roxy_: man update-rc.d |
| 08:52.58 | liable_ | what httpd starts from inetd? |
| 08:53.12 | Aque0s | karsten... must i go to termianl and be in that dir/ |
| 08:53.14 | Guerin | liable_: apache can |
| 08:53.14 | karsten | roxy_: ... and what Guerin said. You're going to have hella latency on startup. |
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| 08:53.33 | b0nk3r | D-link DE-220P Driver For SCO OPENSERVER5.0.x --should this work on debian? |
| 08:53.35 | karsten | Aque0s: You can give full path to executable. That's the Linux path, not the Windows path. |
| 08:53.43 | roxy_ | Guerin, karsten: I am not using inetd, just studying for lpi and trying to understand how it is used. |
| 08:53.43 | ma3x | karsten, hehe that's funny, the 3,5" one is like with teeth and wants to eat the smaller hd |
| 08:53.45 | Guerin | b0nk3r: /msg dpkg HCL |
| 08:54.16 | liable_ | Guerin: take your word, cant ever remember reading it |
| 08:54.31 | Guerin | roxy_: oh. It just listens on a particular port and runs a particular command when it gets input on that port |
| 08:54.47 | Guerin | roxy_: you can run anything, even echo "this is inetd" on it |
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| 08:55.51 | ma3x | Guerin, is bigger size hard drives okay, or do you suggest the smaller hard drives, ie 40-80 GB? |
| 08:55.57 | roxy_ | Guerin: but if inetd is running, can I start httpd without using inetd ? (or do all service on the machine have to use inetd) |
| 08:56.19 | Guerin | roxy_: you can run anything, as long as you don't try to run two things on the same port |
| 08:56.35 | Guerin | ma3x: no experience with drives bigger than 120G |
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| 08:57.55 | Aque0s | wols |
| 08:57.57 | Aque0s | whats the apt command to find |
| 08:58.00 | Aque0s | i 4got |
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| 08:58.13 | wols | for the 3rd time now |
| 08:58.15 | Aque0s | apt-get find <term> ? |
| 08:58.16 | dutchfish | Aque0s, apt-cache search |
| 08:58.18 | wols | !tell Aque0s about refcard |
| 08:58.23 | Aque0s | OH |
| 08:58.35 | wols | Aque0s: read that recrard. NOW |
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| 09:05.22 | Aque0s | ok |
| 09:05.32 | Aque0s | what is the linux exe? |
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| 09:07.44 | Aque0s | wakejagr |
| 09:07.52 | Aque0s | wols |
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| 09:07.56 | cahoot | Aque0s: you really really want to read some basic linux docs |
| 09:08.04 | Guerin | cahoot: futile |
| 09:08.05 | Aque0s | i have been |
| 09:08.24 | Aque0s | ARGH |
| 09:08.25 | cahoot | Guerin: I see |
| 09:08.39 | Guerin | yesh |
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| 09:09.29 | Aque0s | how the hell do i start anope???? |
| 09:09.50 | Aque0s | how do i change the permissions to a folder? |
| 09:09.57 | Aque0s | if the owner is root? |
| 09:10.00 | cahoot | Guerin: Becket couldn't have produced a more absurd experience than the last hour on #debian |
| 09:10.19 | craigevil | lol |
| 09:10.27 | Aque0s | craigevil |
| 09:10.31 | ma3x | what's the point of blueray burners, such large disks and you can burn just at 2x. that's nothing |
| 09:10.43 | ma3x | except that you can watch those high definition movies |
| 09:10.44 | Godot | here I am,lads! |
| 09:10.52 | Godot | anybody waiting for me? |
| 09:11.47 | Aque0s | craigevil: how do i change the permission to a folder? |
| 09:12.02 | craigevil | read the docs |
| 09:12.50 | emitai | lol |
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| 09:13.47 | emitai | how do you not know how to change permissions |
| 09:14.20 | Aque0s | can u tell me? |
| 09:14.23 | azeem | emitai: if you never had to do it |
| 09:14.50 | emitai | my point is even if your a newb... |
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| 09:15.10 | emitai | konqueror can do it easily |
| 09:15.20 | craigevil | Aqueso>http://www.tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/x9543.htm |
| 09:15.25 | emitai | if your afraid of the shell |
| 09:15.40 | Aque0s | i am i am |
| 09:15.58 | emitai | afraid of the shell?? |
| 09:16.11 | Aque0s | yeah |
| 09:16.13 | craigevil | open konqueror as root then navigate to the file |
| 09:16.15 | Aque0s | very |
| 09:16.19 | emitai | thats weakkkkk |
| 09:16.20 | Aque0s | erm... |
| 09:16.24 | Aque0s | how do i login with root? |
| 09:16.34 | Aque0s | if i try it says im not allowed to |
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| 09:17.04 | emitai | open the terminal |
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| 09:17.22 | Aque0s | yeah... |
| 09:17.43 | emitai | after this your going to google everything you ever need |
| 09:17.47 | emitai | su |
| 09:17.53 | emitai | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.10 | emitai | you better be in kde, are you? |
| 09:18.20 | Aque0s | nope |
| 09:18.21 | Aque0s | gnome |
| 09:18.42 | emitai | lol then it sucks to be you |
| 09:18.53 | emitai | cause im not teaching you it on the shell, do a google search |
| 09:19.06 | emitai | actually, you dopnt need to craigevil did it for you |
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| 09:19.28 | craigevil | nautilus doesnt give the permissions option? |
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| 09:19.47 | emitai | it might im just not familiar |
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| 09:20.08 | craigevil | same i run kde and icewm |
| 09:20.09 | emitai | holding a newbs hand can be a process |
| 09:20.30 | craigevil | i gave him the link for setting permissions using a terminal |
| 09:20.32 | emitai | ill have to check out icewm, you like it? |
| 09:20.44 | emitai | I know I told him you did his googling for him already |
| 09:20.47 | craigevil | i use it with Rox-filier on my crappy laptop |
| 09:21.01 | ma3x | I never understood this: why if you buy for example a 80GB disk, you get only 74,5 GB after you partition it |
| 09:21.11 | emitai | hahaha |
| 09:21.23 | ma3x | I mean then why the hell they are naming it 80GB disk |
| 09:21.29 | Yamaraj | Aque0s: Get a "UNIX for Dummies". |
| 09:21.39 | cusco | ma3x: not that little, but a bit of the disk keeps the partition information (normally a couple of bytes only) |
| 09:21.39 | ma3x | they could just tell you the truth and say 74 GB disk |
| 09:21.52 | dutchfish | ma3x, because manufactors think that 1000 = 1024? |
| 09:21.58 | Yamaraj | Yes |
| 09:22.12 | ma3x | they are lying |
| 09:22.57 | emitai | thats debatable |
| 09:23.07 | emitai | the fact that your still wondering about it to this day amazes me |
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| 09:25.19 | dutchfish | ma3x, and you also loose bytes for your filesystem partition tables |
| 09:25.37 | Yamaraj | According to HP, "Microsoft usually defines a gigabyte as 1024*1024*1024 (or 1,073,741,824) bytes.", "Maxtor, Iomega, and Western Digital define a gigabyte as 1000*1000*1000 (or 1,000,000,000) bytes.", and "Seagate defines a gigabyte as 1024*1000*1000 (or 1,024,000,000) bytes." |
| 09:26.17 | cusco | but really microsoft is right in there... |
| 09:26.38 | ma3x | yeah for one time |
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| 09:26.48 | Yamaraj | Microsoft doesn't have to save on bits and bytes for business. ;-) |
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| 09:27.55 | emitai | yeah exactly |
| 09:28.27 | emitai | microsoft is just reporting the bytes as most other OSs do... thankfully, because think how bad it would be if they didnt |
| 09:30.32 | Yamaraj | Wikipedia - "The decimal-based capacity in hard disk drives follows the method used for serially accessed storage media which predated direct access storage media like hard disk drives. When a stream of data is stored, it's more logical to indicate how many thousands, millions, or billions of bytes have been stored versus how many multiples of 1024, 1,048,576, or 1,073,741,824 bytes have been. When the first hard disk drives were developed, the decimal m |
| 09:30.41 | Yamaraj | Sorry for the spam. |
| 09:32.18 | b0nk3r | how do i get to the driver select screen for the available drivers that came with debian? |
| 09:32.40 | liable_ | b0nk3r: driver for what? |
| 09:32.57 | b0nk3r | nic card |
| 09:32.59 | roxy_ | why isn't xinetd on debian by default ? |
| 09:33.24 | liable_ | b0nk3r: there isnt a driver select screen, you just modprobe the module.. |
| 09:33.32 | dutchfish | roxy_, wich kernel you are running? |
| 09:33.48 | roxy_ | dutchfish: unstable, 2.6.17 |
| 09:34.26 | b0nk3r | liable_ tnx will try that |
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| 09:38.32 | dutchfish | roxy_, if you delv into it inetd is much more secure |
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| 09:39.27 | m`kay | hi guys. can i mirror a server on my hdd to install via apt from hdd, because i have not a broadband internet |
| 09:40.11 | roxy_ | dutchfish: I am not interested in installing neither inetd nor xinetd. I am just studying for lpi and wander why neither are on my system. |
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| 09:41.12 | dutchfish | roxy_, you can install them with apt easely, also look at: http://archiv.debianhowto.de/en/xinetd/c_xinetd.html |
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| 09:41.59 | roxy_ | dutchfish: I am not interested in installing neither inetd nor xinetd. I am just studying for lpi and wander why neither are on my system. :-) |
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| 09:42.24 | dutchfish | roxy_, you have to ask the one that installed your system |
| 09:43.50 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:43.50 | dpkg | <yevgeniy2> !sest <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test -!- yevgeniy2 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood] <dpkg> No, yevgeniy2, you're not online any more. |
| 09:43.57 | b0nk3r | what linux kernel for current debian? |
| 09:44.24 | liable | b0nk3r: what version of debian? stable, testing or unstable? |
| 09:44.44 | b0nk3r | stable |
| 09:45.09 | liable | 2,4,27 or 2.6.8 |
| 09:46.18 | wols | m`kay: apt-zip |
| 09:46.29 | b0nk3r | should work with this nic then right? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833156139 |
| 09:46.56 | m`kay | wois have aou a howto via link? |
| 09:47.42 | wols | no |
| 09:47.44 | wols | manpage |
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| 09:48.13 | b0nk3r | ? |
| 09:48.14 | wols | b0nk3r: tell us what chip this NIC uses and we can tell you. not before |
| 09:48.45 | Tallu | Uhm, my friend has a wireless-usb card that is said to work well on debian, however, he said that the product id should be changed before it's recognized. has anyone here changed the product id of a usb device, if so, how to go about doing it? |
| 09:49.23 | b0nk3r | wols: i dont know what chip it uses. will you recommend a specific nic for me? |
| 09:49.28 | b0nk3r | something cheap |
| 09:49.35 | liable | b0nk3r: hrm, dunno if thats in 2.6.8, you may need to compile a module for it |
| 09:50.03 | liable | b0nk3r: but its certainly supported in latter kernels |
| 09:50.17 | liable | wols: rtl-8169 |
| 09:50.34 | wols | liable: I don't wanna gbit nic |
| 09:50.38 | wols | especially not on PCI |
| 09:51.15 | liable | wols: you wanted the chipset, thats what it is, i didnt ask if you wanted a GB ethernet :P |
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| 09:52.05 | wols | 2.6.8 supports 8169 |
| 09:53.00 | liable | mine only show rtl8150 driver, that supports the chipset? |
| 09:53.30 | liable | i am too lazy to help properly, i should just give up.. |
| 09:54.45 | wols | adlatus:/boot# grep 8169 config-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 09:54.46 | wols | CONFIG_R8169=m |
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| 10:19.01 | Charminthemoose | why has the command 'time' stopped working for me?i get 'bash: syntax error near unexpected token 'newline''? |
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| 10:20.04 | blondie | typing what? |
| 10:20.22 | RichiH_fallback | Charminthemoose: that does not sound as if time was to fault for that |
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| 10:20.40 | RichiH_fallback | oh, i know |
| 10:20.51 | RichiH_fallback | did you just type time or time someprogram? |
| 10:20.59 | Charminthemoose | just time. |
| 10:21.02 | RichiH_fallback | you probably want date, not time |
| 10:21.12 | RichiH_fallback | time will time how long a program takes to execute |
| 10:21.14 | RichiH_fallback | try date |
| 10:21.27 | blondie | time on it's own doesn't complain |
| 10:21.46 | blondie | it has real/user/sys with each being 0 |
| 10:21.56 | RichiH_fallback | blondie: true |
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| 10:29.09 | Charminthemoose | arg,why doesn't xfce update the clock after i've set the time? |
| 10:29.13 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 10:29.13 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 10:29.38 | valdyn | !date |
| 10:29.39 | dpkg | The current date is 2006.09.30 10:29:39 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 10:29.43 | valdyn | !set the time |
| 10:29.43 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 10:40.16 | NiCeBoY | lut |
| 10:40.24 | NiCeBoY | quelqu'un peut me dire |
| 10:40.24 | NiCeBoY | comment je coupe complement apache? |
| 10:40.27 | NiCeBoY | hello |
| 10:40.33 | NiCeBoY | anyone can help me plz |
| 10:40.36 | wols | !fr |
| 10:40.37 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:40.40 | NiCeBoY | i want to know how to stop apache complement? |
| 10:40.49 | wols | what is "apache complement" |
| 10:40.57 | NiCeBoY | complely |
| 10:40.57 | wols | to stop apache: man apachectl |
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| 10:41.06 | NiCeBoY | complement = completely |
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| 10:41.16 | NiCeBoY | how? |
| 10:41.22 | wols | to stop apache: man apachectl |
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| 10:41.41 | NiCeBoY | and i will have to restart it |
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| 10:41.55 | wols | have you done what I told you twice now? |
| 10:41.57 | danIG | niceboy: info apachectl |
| 10:42.12 | NiCeBoY | No manual entry for apachectl |
| 10:42.19 | NiCeBoY | wols thats what am having |
| 10:42.29 | danIG | then you are not using Debian... |
| 10:42.32 | wols | then there is no apache installed |
| 10:42.38 | danIG | or that... |
| 10:42.39 | cahoot | NiCeBoY: invoke-rc.d apache stop| start? |
| 10:42.45 | NiCeBoY | there is apache2 installer |
| 10:42.54 | wols | man apache2ctl then |
| 10:42.59 | danIG | oh boy... |
| 10:43.01 | NiCeBoY | ok |
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| 10:47.30 | NiCeBoY | wols if i want to kill all process like 24375 ? S 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL |
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| 10:47.38 | NiCeBoY | how i do it |
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| 10:48.24 | cahoot | NiCeBoY: invoke-rc.d apache2 stop |
| 10:48.47 | NiCeBoY | cahoot its not workinf the on u gave me |
| 10:49.01 | NiCeBoY | cahoot Stopping web server: Apache2 ... no pidfile found! not running?. |
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| 10:49.13 | NiCeBoY | its all because i make a kill -9 pid-number |
| 10:49.44 | cahoot | NiCeBoY: pkill apache2? |
| 10:49.59 | NiCeBoY | ok i try it |
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| 10:51.08 | NiCeBoY | cahoot thanks man working ;) |
| 10:51.10 | NiCeBoY | Starting web server: Apache2. |
| 10:51.24 | NiCeBoY | what i was trying to solve is that my machine got many ip's |
| 10:51.32 | NiCeBoY | the problem is that apache uses all the ip's on port 80 |
| 10:51.41 | NiCeBoY | was trying to make unrealircd listen on port 80 |
| 10:51.46 | NiCeBoY | was not able to do it :( |
| 10:52.11 | NiCeBoY | what am getting is Error binding stream socket to IP 208.53.135.194 port 80 - Permission denied |
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| 10:53.22 | danIG | Niceboy. check out the virtualhosting in google there is a lot of info for this... |
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| 10:54.02 | wilcox | or check the guide on http.apache.org |
| 10:54.09 | NiCeBoY | oki |
| 10:54.10 | NiCeBoY | thx |
| 10:54.25 | wilcox | httpd.apache.org <- |
| 10:54.45 | NiCeBoY | :) |
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| 10:54.51 | Azoff | hello |
| 10:55.32 | danIG | I azoff |
| 10:55.43 | Azoff | I have moved a sarge system to an radi1 (software), but after that, I can not remove the i from 'chattr' on a file |
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| 10:56.08 | wilcox | danIG: you != azeem |
| 10:56.10 | wilcox | err |
| 10:56.10 | Azoff | I am using ext3 on the partition |
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| 10:56.16 | wilcox | danIG: you != azoff |
| 10:56.17 | danIG | no |
| 10:56.48 | danIG | what do you mean wilcox? |
| 10:57.00 | wilcox | <danIG> I azoff |
| 10:57.17 | wilcox | like you said: i'm azoff |
| 10:57.21 | wilcox | oh well.. nevermind |
| 10:57.23 | wilcox | :P |
| 10:57.24 | danIG | ehm, s/I azoff/hi azoff |
| 10:57.55 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | I just installed Debian on my server, bu X server won't start. How do I go about fixing this? |
| 10:57.57 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | *but |
| 10:58.06 | Gnea | Inf3rn0_Laptop: by configuring it |
| 10:58.15 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Yeah, how? :P |
| 10:58.20 | Gnea | !drxx |
| 10:58.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 10:58.50 | foresth | hi |
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| 10:59.04 | wilcox | hehe |
| 10:59.09 | stainlessmice | haha |
| 10:59.11 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | ?? |
| 10:59.16 | stainlessmice | how is going? |
| 10:59.17 | danIG | aa |
| 10:59.20 | Azoff | lol |
| 10:59.28 | Azoff | nevermind... user error ;-) |
| 10:59.33 | wilcox | :P |
| 10:59.34 | danIG | no I have h's en masse.. |
| 10:59.38 | Azoff | sorry for the overhead ;-) |
| 10:59.41 | foresth | I have some problem with packages and I need your help... |
| 10:59.44 | stainlessmice | never mind |
| 10:59.45 | danIG | just the fingers type too fast sometimes |
| 10:59.49 | danIG | sorry. |
| 10:59.55 | wilcox | ll |
| 10:59.57 | foresth | I recently installed php5 form dotdeb and I'm not able to install php5-cli |
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| 11:00.16 | foresth | becauseof libreadline4 |
| 11:00.22 | danIG | foresth, you might have been better off using backports... |
| 11:00.33 | foresth | yes |
| 11:00.42 | foresth | but i needed php5-mysqli |
| 11:00.59 | stainlessmice | is mysql still alive? |
| 11:01.00 | Gnea | !dotdeb |
| 11:01.00 | dpkg | from memory, dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN, or there is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of php and mysql are available from backports.org. ask me about <backports> and <backports.org> |
| 11:01.04 | danIG | is there a #dotdeb channel? |
| 11:01.08 | stainlessmice | s/alive/free |
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| 11:01.19 | wilcox | stainlessmice: eeh.. yes |
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| 11:01.27 | IndyBC | When Python 2.5 will be put on the official repository? |
| 11:01.39 | stainlessmice | is db still free? |
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| 11:01.43 | Gnea | IndyBC: when it's ready |
| 11:01.55 | IndyBC | Gnea: When will it be ready? |
| 11:02.00 | Gnea | IndyBC: when it's ready. |
| 11:02.04 | IndyBC | Gnea: ( very funny :| ) |
| 11:02.06 | wilcox | O RLY |
| 11:02.40 | Gnea | IndyBC: that's how it works, there are no deadlines, just functioning software (for the most part) |
| 11:02.50 | IndyBC | Gnea: I asked a question. If you cannot answer, then please don't spam with useless stuff. |
| 11:02.54 | NiCeBoY | anyone knows how to use the limit.conf in debian plz? |
| 11:02.56 | dondelelcaro | !+info python2.5 |
| 11:03.02 | dondelelcaro | !tell IndyBC -about pdo |
| 11:03.03 | dpkg | python2.5: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.5)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3356 kB, Installed size: 11884 kB |
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| 11:03.30 | Gnea | ... |
| 11:03.48 | Gnea | so i'm a spammer now? *boggle* |
| 11:04.13 | wilcox | Gnea: no you aren't |
| 11:04.20 | wilcox | (at least untill now) |
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| 11:04.22 | wilcox | :P |
| 11:04.24 | Gnea | wilcox: i know, i was being sarcastic ;) |
| 11:04.25 | dondelelcaro | NiCeBoY: you edit it, and pam sets the limits appropriately when it spawns a login shell. |
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| 11:04.35 | dondelelcaro | NiCeBoY: what in particular did you want to do? |
| 11:04.40 | wilcox | Gnea: O RLY? |
| 11:04.42 | wilcox | :P |
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| 11:04.57 | NiCeBoY | dondelelcaro i want t o limit user accounts |
| 11:05.00 | stainlessmice | all php/mysql "programmers" in here are suspected, the spammer |
| 11:05.07 | Gnea | i should really be packing boxes right now |
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| 11:05.17 | NiCeBoY | dondelelcaro when i do adduser .. it creates an account and i want to limit it in disk space.. |
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| 11:05.39 | wilcox | niceboy: you need to set the quota |
| 11:05.44 | wilcox | (another process) |
| 11:05.45 | dondelelcaro | NiCeBoY: that's quotas, not limits. |
| 11:05.49 | Charminthemoose | do i have to in sources.list set whether or not i get the packages from testing/unstable etc etc? |
| 11:06.02 | Gnea | Charminthemoose: yes |
| 11:06.04 | NiCeBoY | wilcox ah ok and how do i start wiz? |
| 11:06.07 | dondelelcaro | NiCeBoY: install quotatool and use edquota |
| 11:06.08 | NiCeBoY | any tuto ? |
| 11:06.22 | wilcox | voila! |
| 11:06.24 | wilcox | :) |
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| 11:06.49 | wilcox | niceboy: dondelelcaro gave an usefull answer |
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| 11:07.03 | wilcox | also.. google on linux quota |
| 11:07.06 | wilcox | etc |
| 11:07.07 | wilcox | :) |
| 11:07.13 | stainlessmice | or coda |
| 11:07.14 | wilcox | many tips, tricks, examples |
| 11:07.18 | NiCeBoY | ok thx |
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| 11:09.37 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | What is the video card's bus identifier? |
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| 11:09.54 | dondelelcaro | Inf3rn0_Laptop: you almost definetly don't need to specify it |
| 11:10.09 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | ok |
| 11:10.12 | dondelelcaro | (but use lspci to figure it out if you don't know) |
| 11:10.16 | Charminthemoose | why when i attempt to update libc6 it threatens to remove my kernel? |
| 11:10.39 | wilcox | Charminthemoose: threaten him back! |
| 11:10.39 | stainlessmice | ah |
| 11:10.40 | wilcox | :) |
| 11:10.52 | stainlessmice | weird |
| 11:11.07 | Charminthemoose | The following packages will be REMOVED: base-config initrd-tools kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 |
| 11:11.18 | Gnea | Charminthemoose: are you running 2.4.27? |
| 11:11.27 | Charminthemoose | gnea:yeah |
| 11:11.29 | wilcox | gnea: looks like it |
| 11:11.41 | Gnea | i wouldn't sorry about it, you should install 2.6 anyway |
| 11:11.43 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Did you just install a 2.6 kernel? |
| 11:11.48 | wols | Charminthemoose: you were told to run 2.6 hours ago |
| 11:11.53 | Charminthemoose | karsten:nay |
| 11:11.54 | karsten | Charminthemoose: And did your chroot install ever get going? |
| 11:11.59 | karsten | wols: 2.0.14 ;-) |
| 11:12.11 | Gnea | karsten: kekekeke |
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| 11:12.23 | wols | karsten: what about it? |
| 11:12.41 | karsten | wols: tab complete missfire. |
| 11:12.45 | karsten | wilcox: ^^ |
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| 11:13.10 | wilcox | lol |
| 11:13.15 | karsten | Charminthemoose: We walked through a chroot install a week or two back, how'd that go? |
| 11:13.24 | Charminthemoose | karsten:it fucked up. |
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| 11:13.35 | Charminthemoose | karsten:badly.:( |
| 11:13.46 | karsten | Charminthemoose: tomsrtbt should have worked to recover, FYI, but that's water over the bridge. |
| 11:13.47 | wilcox | Charminthemoose: ooh so all is dandy then |
| 11:13.48 | wilcox | :P |
| 11:13.50 | stainlessmice | ??? |
| 11:14.23 | stainlessmice | are you speaking chinese? |
| 11:14.27 | wilcox | ¿¿¿ |
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| 11:21.24 | coach | hi@all |
| 11:21.31 | coach | tarzeau, i'm back^^ |
| 11:21.58 | coach | i've got a problem with my gdesklets, all of them have thin black borders... |
| 11:22.07 | coach | how can i get rid of them? |
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| 11:22.49 | Charminthemoose | tsk,how lame is that,my partitions aren't in frickin' fstab.*cries* |
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| 11:23.03 | sh_kaio_shin | bug in apt |
| 11:23.13 | sh_kaio_shin | Get:83 [2797B] |
| 11:23.17 | sh_kaio_shin | Get:84 2006-09-25-1317.20.pdiff [261B] |
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| 11:23.44 | tarzeau | Charminthemoose: what did you expect? |
| 11:23.54 | coach | tarzeau, do you how i can remove those thin black borders around my gdesklets? |
| 11:24.30 | tarzeau | coach: no , i don't use gtk, gnome, gdesklets |
| 11:24.39 | Charminthemoose | tarzeau:one would normally expect that when the debian installer scans the partiitions,it would automaticlly add the found partitions to /etc/fstab when you go to install it. |
| 11:24.50 | tarzeau | Charminthemoose: aha |
| 11:25.09 | wols | Charminthemoose: if you know how debian installer should behave: add the feature |
| 11:25.11 | tarzeau | Charminthemoose: but you know it can't even make your bsd systems boot? the installer? |
| 11:25.27 | foresth | ok, now I have php installed pro backports |
| 11:25.27 | wols | tarzeau: not eeven debian/bsd? |
| 11:25.28 | tarzeau | wols: he doesn't know, but he can get mad to others |
| 11:25.33 | foresth | and I still need mysqli |
| 11:25.33 | foresth | :) |
| 11:25.40 | tarzeau | wols: no. well the gnu/kfreebsd installer yes |
| 11:25.42 | foresth | at least pear is working.. |
| 11:25.47 | tarzeau | wols: but they don't generally know about ufs |
| 11:25.51 | Charminthemoose | i'm just saying...... |
| 11:26.00 | tarzeau | Charminthemoose: that's nice, but if you say it here, it'll not get fixed |
| 11:26.05 | wols | we're just saying too |
| 11:26.07 | tarzeau | Charminthemoose: you should say it in the BTS with a patch |
| 11:26.10 | tarzeau | wols: heh :) |
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| 11:26.36 | tarzeau | Charminthemoose: besides adding random partitions to fdisk doesn't make the system better |
| 11:26.44 | tarzeau | Charminthemoose: i'd not want that, nor stuff automounted |
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| 11:26.54 | tarzeau | Charminthemoose: it's good it's not like you think it should be |
| 11:27.13 | tarzeau | Charminthemoose: if you believe otherwise, create an autoscanner for init.d and run mount -a in it, very late |
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| 11:27.25 | wols | tarzeau: I dunno. sometimes automount for removeable media would be nice |
| 11:27.26 | tarzeau | Charminthemoose: but if you do, do it right (support ufs partitions as well) |
| 11:27.37 | tarzeau | and if you don't care about doing it right, better don't do it at all |
| 11:27.40 | tarzeau | than half hearted |
| 11:27.49 | tarzeau | because if you just do it half hearted i'll get mad to you |
| 11:28.06 | wols | confess: you'll get mad at him either way :P |
| 11:28.10 | foresth | how do u people solve this? |
| 11:28.13 | tarzeau | wols: you know when unix was born, tehre was no removable media |
| 11:28.16 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | The card in my server is a Matrox MGA. I chose MGA in the xserver config thing, but it still complains... |
| 11:28.22 | foresth | I mean php5-mysqli... |
| 11:28.26 | wols | tarzeau: when linux was born, there was |
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| 11:28.28 | tarzeau | wols: there was storage, the computer somewhere and the admins accessed that locally |
| 11:28.34 | foresth | i cannot find any official package |
| 11:28.36 | tarzeau | wols: and others were far away with a terminal |
| 11:28.39 | wols | when unix was born there was no 3D videocard either, there is now |
| 11:28.47 | tarzeau | wols: the removable crap came with pcs |
| 11:28.48 | wols | was there SCSI back then? |
| 11:28.52 | foresth | but there is huge need of this package.. |
| 11:28.52 | tarzeau | wols: man that's different |
| 11:29.04 | tarzeau | wols: i'm talking about how linux wrongly/badly implements floppy/optical media support |
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| 11:29.19 | tarzeau | wols: oh well, why do i even care discussing with you when you entirely miss my point |
| 11:29.21 | wols | foresth: you are on stable? if you are, then you should reread what "stable" means. there can't be |
| 11:29.35 | tarzeau | wols: scsi or not, that's NOT THE POINT |
| 11:29.35 | wols | you have a point? |
| 11:29.41 | tarzeau | wols: you are a dick! |
| 11:30.01 | wols | it just means: there wasn't stuff then when there is now. and that new stuff is perfectly supported by linux (or unix) |
| 11:30.05 | wols | so why not optical media? |
| 11:30.10 | tarzeau | wols: no you didn't listen to me |
| 11:30.17 | tarzeau | wols: it's about where the stuff is |
| 11:30.28 | stainlessmice | tarzeau, did they remove some SCSI code from the kernel? |
| 11:30.32 | tarzeau | wols: and how the needs were, to administer the machine, about who can run mount and who not |
| 11:30.43 | wols | there is removeable usb wifi adapters for linux. works fine. mounting does not. wthf? |
| 11:30.45 | tarzeau | stainlessmice: i have no idea why you ask me? i don't care. afaik they didn't |
| 11:30.56 | tarzeau | wols: i'm talking about 1969 and 10 years later |
| 11:31.00 | stainlessmice | tarzeau, oh... |
| 11:31.04 | tarzeau | wols: but if you don't care, that's fine |
| 11:31.22 | wols | tarzeau: there were no removeable network adapters in 1969 either. but now there are and linux now supports it well |
| 11:31.25 | wols | sorta at least.. |
| 11:31.36 | MoDaX | foresth: backport the package yourself or just upgrade to testing |
| 11:31.47 | stainlessmice | tarzeau, in 2.4.x, SCSI worked fine... |
| 11:32.36 | Charminthemoose | is it humanely possible to install the 2.6 kernel from the first debian install cd without breaking my 2.4 kernel? |
| 11:33.01 | wols | paste what happens if you try to apt-get or dpkg -i it |
| 11:33.41 | tarzeau | stainlessmice: still does for me with 2.6 |
| 11:33.49 | tarzeau | wols: that's not the point |
| 11:33.59 | tarzeau | wols: it's about removable MEDIA that the user can exchange |
| 11:34.09 | wols | users can |
| 11:34.15 | tarzeau | wols: computer/storage used to be far away, and terminal/output/input device was at the user |
| 11:34.17 | wols | users can't add or remove their usb devices? |
| 11:34.24 | tarzeau | wols: not when unix was designed |
| 11:34.31 | tarzeau | wols: THEY CAN NOW |
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| 11:34.42 | tarzeau | i'm telling about THE DESIGN when that wasn't like that |
| 11:34.44 | wols | yes, but they can NOW. so why can't linux do the same with media NOW too? |
| 11:34.45 | tarzeau | can you fucking READ? |
| 11:34.54 | tarzeau | yes but LINUX STILL DOESN'T DO IT RIGHT |
| 11:34.56 | tarzeau | FUCKING GOSH |
| 11:35.19 | wols | the design back then didn't allow for adding and removing network cards either. but that changed cause the need arose. the need for media is there, so why hasn#t it happened yet? |
| 11:35.25 | DaBlade | tarzeau: Calm down |
| 11:35.28 | DaBlade | tarzeau: What doesn't work? |
| 11:35.42 | foresth | MoDaX, i'd love to, but there is no php5-mysqli on testing or unstable either |
| 11:36.03 | wols | foresth: what does the "i" in mysqli mean? |
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| 11:37.06 | foresth | wols, it's the new library for mysql5 |
| 11:37.32 | Charminthemoose | wols http://pastebin.ca/186723 |
| 11:37.33 | foresth | it contains new tools for php5 |
| 11:37.42 | MoDaX | !info php5-mysqli unstable |
| 11:38.07 | wols | foresth: I run mysql5 and php5 here (sid). works fine together |
| 11:38.22 | foresth | yes, with php5-mysql |
| 11:38.35 | foresth | but it's old ugly library |
| 11:38.46 | foresth | u cannot use new functions of mysql5 |
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| 11:38.49 | foresth | with this old library |
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| 11:39.44 | MoDaX | foresth: there is |
| 11:40.39 | MoDaX | foresth: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/php5/php5-mysqli_5.1.6-2_i386.deb |
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| 11:41.01 | MoDaX | foresth: don't ask me why it does not show up via packages.d.o |
| 11:41.15 | wols | there is also php5-maxdb which says it supports mysqli |
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| 11:41.42 | Charminthemoose | wols: http://pastebin.ca/186723 |
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| 11:42.34 | wols | Charminthemoose: try to install dependencies of the ner kernel one by one |
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| 11:45.54 | set | I am looking for repositories that will give me jre, shockwave flash, and such web surfing things we use in the modern www. can anyone help me? |
| 11:45.59 | MoDaX | foresth: oh well, mysqli was enabled in 5.1.6-2 |
| 11:46.24 | MoDaX | foresth: i.e. current version in unstable. backport that |
| 11:46.36 | foresth | oh i see |
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| 11:47.03 | shawn__ | How do I stop all this wifi0: access point in range, wifi0: access point out of range stuff |
| 11:47.30 | MoDaX | shawn__: where is it showing up? |
| 11:47.45 | Gnea | shawn__: unplug the card |
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| 11:48.01 | shawn__ | Gnea, Then what |
| 11:48.10 | Gnea | shawn__: do you have some sort of wifi scanner running? |
| 11:48.32 | shawn__ | Gnea: I have my prism2 wireless card |
| 11:48.38 | blackelf | help |
| 11:48.44 | shawn__ | MoDaX: Its showing up on my console |
| 11:48.45 | blackelf | my friend have i915 video card based laptp |
| 11:48.51 | MoDaX | !tell set about flash |
| 11:48.51 | blackelf | and he can't run xorg there |
| 11:49.00 | Gnea | shawn__: no, do you have a wireless *scanner* running... a piece of software that scans for aps? |
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| 11:49.08 | blackelf | which video driver for i915 laptops is the most default / must work one? not vesa? |
| 11:49.21 | Gnea | blackelf: what laptop? |
| 11:49.28 | shawn__ | Gnea: Maybe, I have kismet but its not running |
| 11:49.30 | foresth | MoDaX, just one more question.. how can I add this repository into my sources.list? I need to upgrade php to ...-2 |
| 11:49.59 | shawn__ | Gnea: Is there a way to check? |
| 11:50.04 | Gnea | shawn__: ps axf |
| 11:50.40 | shawn__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.19 | Gnea | shawn__: is there a /etc/init.d/ifplug[d?]? |
| 11:51.44 | MoDaX | shawn__: put kernel/printk=<number> to /etc/sysctl.conf with <number> being in range of 0..7 (7 is default). don't forget to run /etc/init.d/procps.sh restart after editing the .conf file |
| 11:51.49 | shawn__ | Gnea: I just removed ifplugd |
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| 11:52.07 | Gnea | shawn__: do you know what that does? |
| 11:52.29 | blackelf | Gnea: i915 video card based, acer travelmate 4060 |
| 11:52.31 | chino[dev] | how do i remove entire "type" of apps like lets say i want no imap support so lets get rid of anything that came with it |
| 11:52.32 | shawn__ | Gnea: I think, checks for connections or something |
| 11:52.45 | Gnea | Description: A configuration daemon for ethernet devices |
| 11:52.51 | shawn__ | Well I didn't delete it yet, I have a prompt for yes/no, should I delete it? |
| 11:52.54 | Gnea | shawn__: apt-cache show ifplugd |
| 11:52.56 | wols | chino[dev]: "imap support"? |
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| 11:53.07 | strike | anybody up here? |
| 11:53.09 | Gnea | shawn__: no, just stop the daemon from running without removing it |
| 11:53.18 | wols | chino[dev]: this is no gentoo, there are not USE flags |
| 11:53.19 | blackelf | what driver should I setup in xorg to have any video mode working with acer travelmate 4060 laptop with i915 like card |
| 11:53.28 | wols | blackelf: i915 |
| 11:53.29 | shawn__ | chmod -x ifplugd? |
| 11:53.29 | Gnea | !laptop |
| 11:53.29 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 11:53.30 | chino[dev] | i mean i have a imap server running and i really dont want it but i dont wnat to just remove what i got from "dpkg -l | grep imap" cause i know there is probably more |
| 11:53.38 | Gnea | blackelf: check that webpage ^^^ |
| 11:53.47 | wols | chino[dev]: which imap server? |
| 11:53.47 | strike | did anyone run debian on intel D101GGC with sata hard disk? |
| 11:53.56 | wols | !anyone |
| 11:53.57 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:54.00 | strike | if yes, which version? |
| 11:54.01 | chino[dev] | uw-imapd |
| 11:54.14 | wols | chino[dev]: apt-cache show uw-imapd |
| 11:54.21 | wols | and you see its depends |
| 11:54.36 | blackelf | wols: I though VGA / vesa xorg driver will work on ALL video cards/ |
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| 11:54.49 | wols | blackelf: yes it will. but do you really want vesa? |
| 11:55.04 | wols | not all btw. there are still some without vesa support (really old) |
| 11:55.04 | blackelf | wols: even vesa doesnt work - this troubles me |
| 11:55.18 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 11:55.19 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 11:55.20 | chino[dev] | so how do i remove i t? |
| 11:55.29 | wols | !tell chino[dev] about refcard |
| 11:55.39 | shawn__ | Im deleting ifplugd, I remember downloading it for no real reason |
| 11:55.46 | Gnea | blackelf: http://tuxmobil.org/ go there. they don't have the 4060 specifically, but the 4050 and 4062 are there, they ought to be close enough |
| 11:55.54 | blackelf | how to stat the X manually? using startx as root? |
| 11:56.01 | blackelf | Gnea: thanks |
| 11:56.03 | wols | not as root |
| 11:56.09 | shawn__ | K thanks, I think that should fix it |
| 11:56.16 | Gnea | blackelf: even if not specifically debian, they will tell you how to get X to work right |
| 11:56.30 | blackelf | Gnea: quick, to the tuxmobile! |
| 11:57.12 | Gnea | http://tinyurl.com/z8j9p <-- there's a full X config file there |
| 11:57.22 | blackelf | ok |
| 11:58.37 | chino[dev] | what normally runs on 111 ? |
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| 11:59.21 | Gnea | chino[dev]: what does /etc/services say"? |
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| 11:59.24 | wols | grep 111 /etc/services |
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| 11:59.32 | chino[dev] | rpcbind |
| 11:59.33 | GreatLord | Hi |
| 11:59.35 | chino[dev] | but i think its pop3s |
| 11:59.45 | Gnea | uh |
| 11:59.48 | wols | chino[dev]: wrong port for that |
| 11:59.52 | Gnea | sunrpc 111/tcp portmapper # RPC 4.0 portmapper |
| 12:00.14 | GreatLord | I am bit new on linux and using debian, my question is which imap server is best of these |
| 12:00.14 | GreatLord | http://packages.debian.org/stable/virtual/imap-server |
| 12:00.23 | Braindead | GreatLord: dovecot |
| 12:00.30 | wols | GreatLord: or courier |
| 12:00.38 | Gnea | GreatLord: dovecot |
| 12:00.42 | GreatLord | what diffent betwin them |
| 12:01.01 | Gnea | google them and find out |
| 12:01.41 | chino[dev] | looks like its probably qpopper |
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| 12:01.44 | chino[dev] | running through inetd |
| 12:02.08 | Gnea | chino[dev]: how did you arrive at that conclusion? |
| 12:02.29 | chino[dev] | lsof -i tcp:110 |
| 12:02.29 | chino[dev] | inetd 1359 root 4u IPv4 110115 TCP *:pop3 (LISTEN) |
| 12:02.44 | Gnea | oh, well you said 111 not 110 |
| 12:02.58 | wols | chino[dev]: in what universe is 110 equal to 111? |
| 12:02.58 | Gnea | and no, that's not close enough |
| 12:02.59 | chino[dev] | pop-3 stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.qpopper -f /etc/qpopper.conf |
| 12:03.06 | Gnea | it has to be right on the money or it's 100% wrong. |
| 12:03.14 | chino[dev] | oh im sorry |
| 12:03.20 | wols | yes we're too |
| 12:03.22 | chino[dev] | brain lapse i typed 110 |
| 12:03.23 | Gnea | no problem, but qpopper sucks :) |
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| 12:03.44 | chino[dev] | yea so it is some sunrpc portmap thing thats only for nfs support right ? |
| 12:03.47 | wols | pop3 sucks |
| 12:03.51 | Gnea | yup |
| 12:04.00 | chino[dev] | pop3 the daemon or hte protocol ? |
| 12:04.06 | wols | protocol |
| 12:04.20 | chino[dev] | so what do you recogment ? |
| 12:04.27 | wols | imap |
| 12:04.29 | chino[dev] | i hate imap |
| 12:04.34 | Gnea | well, dovecot is pretty snazzy |
| 12:04.37 | chino[dev] | id want all my email on my desktop downloaded |
| 12:04.40 | Gnea | it does both pop3 and imap |
| 12:04.46 | Gnea | as well as pop3s and imaps |
| 12:05.10 | Gnea | works great with thunderbird |
| 12:05.16 | GreatLord | question : does both have a webgui to config from like adding new user |
| 12:05.45 | wols | GreatLord: afaik neither has |
| 12:06.01 | Gnea | GreatLord: nope, thankfully |
| 12:06.29 | wols | GreatLord: in fact, at least by default there is NO webgui for that on any imap server |
| 12:06.34 | chino[dev] | i stopped portmap but i still have a rpc.statd running on port 721 what service is running that ? |
| 12:06.51 | robin_sz | you should try vpopmail |
| 12:06.53 | Gnea | chino[dev]: that's for nfs too, you can safely remove it if you like |
| 12:07.03 | robin_sz | that has a webgui to add and configure userness |
| 12:07.07 | jelly-home | chino[dev]: nfs-common I think |
| 12:07.10 | chino[dev] | yes i know but i dont know what file it is in /etc/init.d |
| 12:07.21 | chino[dev] | omg i cant believe i didn't notice that |
| 12:07.31 | chino[dev] | the ammount of files in /etc/init.d on debian is blinding |
| 12:08.25 | robin_sz | delete the ones you dont like |
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| 12:08.55 | chino[dev] | ok besides using a firewall to detect attacks purespeaking if you only have say 5 ports open on your whole server and basically your firewall would allow traffic to them then... do you really believe a firewall is needed? (ignoring attack detections and prevention stuff) |
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| 12:10.14 | shawn__ | Okay I stopped the beeping from deleting ifplugd, but im still getting the wifi0: access point... messages in my console and in dmesg |
| 12:10.34 | blondie | chino[dev]: yes |
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| 12:11.02 | shawn__ | Maybe its hotplug? |
| 12:11.08 | GreatLord | Okay : wich one is most easy to config for some have basic knowlgews of linux |
| 12:11.13 | nvz | maybe its wifi0 |
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| 12:11.49 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | GreatLord, Install ivman, Install Gnome or KDE. |
| 12:12.01 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Fatal server error: Failed to initialize core divices |
| 12:12.02 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | ?? |
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| 12:12.32 | nvz | Inf3rn0_Laptop: ?? what kind of mouse do you have? |
| 12:12.33 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | GreatLord, Linux is just the kernel by the way, the majority of the system is GNU. Refer to the system as GNU/Linux. & if you'll only use one word to name it, call it GNU. |
| 12:12.38 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | No mouse |
| 12:12.48 | dutchfish | i am using etch xen-hypervisor-3.0-unstable-1-i386 3.0-unstable+hg11292-2, frshly installed with daily dis, however i cant get bridge up it seams that 1 of the scripts is not creating vifs nor xenbr0, can ayone help me with this? |
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| 12:12.58 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 12:13.07 | GreatLord | Alex_Jones_Rocks : true |
| 12:13.16 | Gnea | !xen |
| 12:13.16 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | nvz: I don't have a mouse |
| 12:13.17 | dpkg | it has been said that xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
| 12:13.28 | nvz | Inf3rn0_Laptop: but you want to use X anyways? |
| 12:13.28 | GreatLord | I am installing everthing in putty |
| 12:13.37 | Gnea | !oftc |
| 12:13.37 | dpkg | hmm... oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 12:13.39 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Yeah |
| 12:13.48 | nvz | Inf3rn0_Laptop: set the mouse device to /dev/null then |
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| 12:13.59 | nvz | Inf3rn0_Laptop: to avoid the error |
| 12:14.01 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | ok |
| 12:14.11 | mynullvoid | I just load debian into my box; which have 3 nic; I had set all the IP; and able to access the internet if I enable eth0; but why when I enable all the 3 nic; I am not able to browse the net? |
| 12:14.13 | simonrvn | or run it with the correct switch ;) |
| 12:14.21 | nvz | simonrvn: meh? |
| 12:14.24 | simonrvn | -nomouse or such |
| 12:14.40 | blondie | mynullvoid: you probably need to play with "route" |
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| 12:14.52 | blondie | mynullvoid: what are the other NICs for? |
| 12:14.56 | simonrvn | -allowMouseOpenFail |
| 12:15.10 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | I can't choose /dev/null |
| 12:15.14 | mynullvoid | blondie: I am trying to install shorewall to get it as firewall |
| 12:15.25 | blondie | I see |
| 12:15.38 | nvz | Inf3rn0_Laptop: I meant manually, but see simonrvn's solution as well |
| 12:15.39 | blondie | I expect it's a routing issue |
| 12:15.39 | simonrvn | Inf3rn0_Laptop: run X with that ^^ option |
| 12:15.54 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | How do I add that switch to it? |
| 12:15.59 | blackelf | the i810 drivers are in stable, arent they? |
| 12:16.06 | simonrvn | edit the main xsession file |
| 12:16.13 | mynullvoid | blondie: if I disable the other 2 should I be able to access it? |
| 12:16.17 | simonrvn | sec |
| 12:16.22 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Witch I don't know of -.- |
| 12:16.45 | simonrvn | /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 12:16.50 | blackelf | my friend, on debian testing, says that apt-cache search i810 do not show any xorg drivers |
| 12:17.06 | simonrvn | add it after the '-nolisten tcp' |
| 12:17.20 | mynullvoid | blackelf: did you friend apt-get update first ;) |
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| 12:17.48 | simonrvn | Inf3rn0_Laptop: and it's "which", not "witch"; "witch" is something else |
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| 12:18.22 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | I know :p |
| 12:18.55 | nvz | blackelf: you shouldnt let your friend smoke crack :P |
| 12:19.12 | nvz | !info xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 12:19.20 | nvz | er |
| 12:19.20 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-video-i810: (X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 2:1.6.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 157 kB, Installed size: 412 kB |
| 12:19.27 | nvz | !info xserver-xorg-video-i810 testing |
| 12:19.36 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-video-i810: (X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.5.1.0-2 (etch), Packaged size: 133 kB, Installed size: 348 kB |
| 12:19.45 | simonrvn | you were saying? |
| 12:20.00 | nvz | what was I saying? |
| 12:20.05 | simonrvn | not you :) |
| 12:20.15 | nvz | simonrvn: oh cracky over there? |
| 12:20.22 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 12:20.30 | nvz | crack kills, this isnt a joking matter ;) |
| 12:20.45 | simonrvn | even worse is meth *shudder* |
| 12:21.01 | blackelf | nvz: ok |
| 12:21.17 | blackelf | he is on STABLE, not testing |
| 12:21.36 | simonrvn | then he doesn't get that... |
| 12:21.39 | blackelf | !info xserver-xorg-video-i810 stable |
| 12:21.42 | nvz | blackelf: stable or not, take the crack pipe.. stable doesnt have xorg at all |
| 12:21.50 | simonrvn | it doesn't exist in sarge |
| 12:21.53 | blackelf | nvz: what |
| 12:21.56 | nvz | blackelf: therefore has no use for xorg drivers |
| 12:22.06 | blackelf | nvz: what the hell, stable doesnt have xorg? |
| 12:22.11 | h3sp4wn | simonrvn: meth is ok (adderall) or dexedrine (less harmful) increases productivity |
| 12:22.12 | blondie | it has xfree86 |
| 12:22.16 | nvz | blackelf: nope, it has xfree86 |
| 12:22.16 | blackelf | debian stable is "a bit" outdated then |
| 12:22.25 | blackelf | ok, how to use i915 card in xfree |
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| 12:22.46 | blondie | oh, blackelf is raf256 |
| 12:22.52 | blackelf | blondie: yes |
| 12:22.55 | nvz | blackelf: xfree86 and xorg are seperate projects following seperate development paths |
| 12:22.57 | simonrvn | h3sp4wn: yeh? then come down here and i'll show you if crystal meth is ok (...) |
| 12:23.15 | blackelf | nvz: yeah I know. and? how to use i915 video card in xfree86 / debian stable |
| 12:23.29 | Eulex | blackelf, try the i810 driver. if it works; good. if it doesn't, try vesa. |
| 12:23.37 | blondie | blackelf: is that a question? |
| 12:23.42 | blackelf | blondie: yes |
| 12:23.45 | blackelf | Eulex: vesa failed |
| 12:23.53 | Eulex | blackelf, odd |
| 12:23.53 | blondie | "how to..." doesn't make sense |
| 12:24.00 | nvz | blackelf: and stable is dated like Jun 15, 2005 and hasnt been updated other than security fixes since |
| 12:24.08 | blackelf | Eulex: just chnage driver name to "i810" in XFree 86 config (what was the exact name?) |
| 12:24.19 | Eulex | !drxx blaamann |
| 12:24.19 | dpkg | blaamann: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:24.24 | blackelf | nvz: so for a desktop perhaps I should switch to testing? |
| 12:24.25 | Eulex | eh |
| 12:24.28 | Eulex | blackelf, ^^ |
| 12:24.41 | Eulex | blackelf, don't edit the X config directly if you don't have to |
| 12:24.41 | nvz | blackelf: sure mine are half testing |
| 12:24.58 | nvz | blackelf: get xorg and some slightly newer desktop apps |
| 12:25.07 | Eulex | nvz, hmm, half testing? as in half sarge, half etch or half etch, half sid? |
| 12:25.15 | blackelf | nvz: in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 he will ask me to select the driver and I should input "i810" ? |
| 12:25.41 | Eulex | blackelf, if that driver existed back then; yes. |
| 12:25.45 | blackelf | nvz: "half testing"? so he should s/stable/testing/g in sources.list and then update dist-upgrade? |
| 12:25.47 | nvz | Eulex: well I got two etch and a sarge |
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| 12:25.58 | nvz | blackelf: change stable to etch |
| 12:26.07 | nvz | blackelf: that way you follow etch when it goes stable |
| 12:26.16 | blackelf | but I was told that only stable is "good" and testing is not even supported on this channel, did that changed |
| 12:26.31 | nvz | blackelf: thats b.s. |
| 12:26.48 | nvz | blackelf: you are expected to know a few things if you are going to use a testing/unstable branch |
| 12:26.49 | Eulex | well, at least you're supposed to not be a complete newbie if you try running testing |
| 12:27.23 | h3sp4wn | simonrvn: Its fine as long as you make sure you sleep (nitrazepam at night or something) - adderall /is/ pure meth (and it makes me chill out) |
| 12:27.34 | nvz | blackelf: install apt-listbugs, learn to use the bts and mailing lists. |
| 12:27.47 | nvz | blackelf: you should also know how to deal with broken packages should the problem arise |
| 12:27.49 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Eh... I chose PS2 as my mouse input, and now the screen is black -.- |
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| 12:28.26 | Eulex | Inf3rn0_Laptop, whether your screen is black or not has very likely nothing to do with what type of mouse you chose. |
| 12:28.32 | blackelf | nvz: btw, is there a way to confiure apt-get (or aptituded?) to do the following: upgrade packages via dist-upgrade ONLY if the package is in testing for at least 1 week |
| 12:28.39 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Well.. It wasn't bacl before |
| 12:28.49 | Eulex | Inf3rn0_Laptop, then something else changed |
| 12:28.57 | nvz | blackelf: the testing branch should be more widely supported and encouraged because any bugs you find in sarge we dont care about.. testing is still able to be fixed.. we'd rather have our users helping out there |
| 12:29.19 | Eulex | blackelf, nope. |
| 12:29.26 | nvz | blackelf: just use apt-listbugs it will help |
| 12:29.44 | nvz | blackelf: it will warn you of known bugs on the BTS before installing any etch packages |
| 12:29.46 | blackelf | wouldnt it be cool to create another sub distro like testing-stable - it would contain packages that where in testing for 2 weeks and have no normal or higher bugs |
| 12:29.50 | nvz | blackelf: install it before you touch anything |
| 12:30.19 | blackelf | nvz: INSTALL bts? like there is some program to access bts more comfortably then via www? |
| 12:30.34 | wols | testing already is a distro with packages that had 2 weeks in sid before moving to testing... |
| 12:31.04 | blackelf | wols: yes sometimes there are things that still do not work |
| 12:31.13 | blackelf | I want something more stable, but not *as* old/stable as "stable" |
| 12:31.37 | wols | blackelf: and when there are thing ins in your testing-stable that do not work we create testing-REALLY-stable or what? |
| 12:31.41 | blackelf | I suppose meany users want that too - is 1 year old is too old, and they dont have time to play with BTS and stuff |
| 12:31.42 | dendrite | blackelf: the 'reportbug' package contains a tool called "querybts" that accesses BTS. |
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| 12:32.09 | blackelf | wols: I think one repo between "1 year museum old" and "2 weeks but buggy" is enought |
| 12:32.29 | blackelf | dendrite: thanks, will check |
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| 12:33.26 | blackelf | "1 month old and almost no bugs ever" sounds like good chocie for meany users. Like newbies can not use testing sometimes, but 1 year old is unacceptable to them (like missing drivers) |
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| 12:36.29 | blackelf | so I should have in surces.list "etch" instead "stable" and then install i810? |
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| 12:45.50 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | How can I edit a file? |
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| 12:46.22 | stoned | probably with a text editor |
| 12:46.33 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | I'm not running x server |
| 12:46.35 | stoned | I like nano |
| 12:46.38 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | or anything |
| 12:46.41 | roxy_ | I don't have a /etc/resolv.donf file. Where is the nameserver list ? |
| 12:46.54 | stoned | resolve.conf |
| 12:46.58 | stoned | not donf. |
| 12:47.10 | stoned | if you're online, trust me, its there |
| 12:47.16 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | How can I edit a file through the command prompt then? |
| 12:47.23 | stoned | nano blah.txt |
| 12:47.26 | stoned | man nano |
| 12:47.28 | stoned | Inf3rn0_Laptop, ^^ |
| 12:47.38 | stoned | use nano, vi, pico, emacs, etc. |
| 12:47.41 | stoned | I like nano |
| 12:47.52 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | :/ |
| 12:47.58 | roxy_ | stoned: you're right :-) |
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| 12:48.31 | roxy_ | Inf3rn0_Laptop: ex |
| 12:48.32 | stoned | !nano |
| 12:48.32 | dpkg | nano is probably at http://www.nano-editor.org/, or a DFSG-free alternative to pico, or 10^-9, or for old koreans |
| 12:48.40 | h3sp4wn | Inf3rn0_Laptop: run ``vimtutor'' (learn vim will be worth your while) |
| 12:48.50 | stoned | NP: Lamb of God -|- Sacrament -|- " Walk with Me In Hell " -|- (Rock) -|- (rating: 0/83) |
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| 12:49.38 | blaamann | nano is probably easier for novices |
| 12:49.54 | Hoxzer | !kedit |
| 12:50.32 | roxy_ | Hoxzer: kedit without X ? |
| 12:50.40 | blaamann | Has Mozilla-Firefox been renamed in Etch ? |
| 12:50.49 | Hoxzer | roxy_: actually I just wanted to know about it |
| 12:50.57 | roxy_ | sorry :-) |
| 12:51.37 | tolecnal | blaamann: no.. the symlink is 'firefox', the executable is named 'firefox-bin' |
| 12:51.40 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 12:51.41 | dpkg | [dpkgbot] Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
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| 12:55.35 | stoned | man |
| 12:55.38 | stoned | im on my last joint |
| 12:55.39 | stoned | :( |
| 12:56.03 | Hoxzer | ... |
| 12:56.13 | stoned | I know it sucks |
| 12:56.15 | stoned | elipses |
| 12:56.17 | stoned | ... |
| 12:56.41 | Hoxzer | k |
| 12:57.18 | Hoxzer | I personally have fysics test on tuesday |
| 12:58.08 | stoned | I am through with school |
| 12:58.17 | stoned | I now work for a computer company and make a lot of money |
| 12:58.20 | Hoxzer | it's about bullets and gravitation and .... forces and ... levitation |
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| 12:58.37 | Hoxzer | *levitation = buoyancy |
| 12:58.38 | stoned | if you can unite the 4 fundamental forces into one theory |
| 12:58.42 | stoned | you'd be the shit |
| 12:58.54 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | What does "no core pointer" mean? |
| 12:59.01 | Hoxzer | :) |
| 12:59.02 | stoned | no mouse found |
| 12:59.07 | stoned | modprobe mousedev |
| 12:59.14 | stoned | and try again |
| 12:59.48 | stoned | make sure your /etc/X11/xorg.conf is good too |
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| 13:01.25 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | i don't have a xorg.conf |
| 13:01.38 | stoned | XF86Config-4? |
| 13:01.49 | stoned | you on sarge? |
| 13:01.55 | stoned | have you ever used debian before? |
| 13:02.03 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | no -.- |
| 13:02.08 | Braindead | stoned: he cannot even use an editor... |
| 13:02.09 | stoned | ahh, now I know where you stand |
| 13:02.29 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | :p |
| 13:02.30 | stoned | Inf3rn0_Laptop, so you installed debian? which flavor of debian did you install? |
| 13:02.45 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Dunno. I used the net install iso |
| 13:02.50 | Braindead | editing xf86/xorg.conf is a bad thing to do anyway,read the instructions which are commented at the beginning of the file |
| 13:02.59 | stoned | Inf3rn0_Laptop, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:03.04 | Braindead | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86|xorg is the thing to do |
| 13:03.06 | stoned | what does that say? |
| 13:03.21 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | 3.1 |
| 13:04.06 | stoned | Inf3rn0_Laptop, apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 13:04.35 | stoned | Braindead, no it isn't |
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| 13:05.15 | jsn | I think I have stored passwords that I can't remember, are valid, and want to see. Is there a tool? This is in firefox. |
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| 13:06.27 | MoDaXaS | jsn: edit -> preferences -> privacy -> passwords -> view saved passwords |
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| 13:06.44 | jsn | MoDaX, gee, I feel dumb. THANKS! |
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| 13:07.23 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | "Select the disired default display manager:" Which on should I choose? |
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| 13:07.29 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | *one |
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| 13:08.39 | MoDaX | Inf3rn0_Laptop: if you're using kde, then kdm is better, if gnome, then gdm is better |
| 13:08.41 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | xdm or gdm? |
| 13:08.56 | MoDaX | Inf3rn0_Laptop: xdm is too basic |
| 13:09.30 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Default printer resolution, wtf? |
| 13:10.29 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | I'll leave that at 600 |
| 13:10.35 | MoDaX | Inf3rn0_Laptop: 600dpi for later, 300dpi for inkjet |
| 13:10.41 | MoDaX | s/later/laser/ |
| 13:10.58 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | I don't have a printer, so I don't care |
| 13:11.41 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Ok. Install done |
| 13:11.41 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Now what? |
| 13:11.41 | stoned | lol |
| 13:11.47 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | :/ |
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| 13:22.08 | octan | what runlevel should i make my initscript i have made? 2 or 3 ? |
| 13:22.16 | octan | erm in what! |
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| 13:22.34 | Rizzo | anybody know much bout gl ? |
| 13:23.18 | dendrite | octan: Default runlevel in Debian is 2, but there are reasons why one might use another level, depending on what exactly you're trying to do. If you just want your script to run with "start" as it's argument, then use 2. |
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| 13:24.15 | dendrite | octan: Note that the usual way is to put the actual script in /etc/init.d/ and then use symlinks to tie it to specific runlevels. |
| 13:24.16 | asg | octan: the default for Debian is 2. 3, 4, and 5 are unused by default and left for the use of the admin. |
| 13:25.20 | Rizzo | gl is alittle jumpy guys plz help |
| 13:25.27 | Rizzo | im in debian |
| 13:25.45 | Rizzo | erm |
| 13:25.48 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | I have a USB mouse. What input dev should I use? |
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| 13:27.38 | JohnRobert | Inf3rn0_Laptop, /dev/input/mice |
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| 13:30.02 | octan | whats the ppp servise i see in my runlevels |
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| 13:31.21 | wols | ppp = point to point protocol |
| 13:31.36 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Each time I manage to noe get an error from GDM, the screen turns black on me :/ |
| 13:31.39 | octan | i dont need that do i? |
| 13:31.40 | wols | lets you go on the InterTUBE when using dialup or a PPPoE DSL |
| 13:31.42 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | *not |
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| 13:32.05 | wols | depends on your ISP |
| 13:32.07 | JohnRobert | when I log in through gdm on my media pc, I get the 'your session lasted less than ten seconds' error: |
| 13:32.09 | JohnRobert | john@mediapc:~$ cat .xsession-errors |
| 13:32.09 | JohnRobert | /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp |
| 13:32.09 | JohnRobert | /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/X11R6/bin/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "john" |
| 13:32.09 | JohnRobert | /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... |
| 13:32.20 | octan | wojci, im connected to my nic with a cable modem |
| 13:32.31 | JohnRobert | however, I click ok and it goes back to gdm... anyone got any ideas what that could be? |
| 13:32.43 | octan | i guess i dont need it |
| 13:32.47 | wojci | octan, How nice for you. |
| 13:33.04 | wols | octan: where do you look in you "runlevels"? |
| 13:33.17 | octan | im using ksysv atm |
| 13:33.36 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | wols |
| 13:33.38 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | You could use the init command... |
| 13:33.53 | octan | ? |
| 13:33.53 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Or ctrl+alt+f[number] |
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| 13:34.12 | wols | Inf3rn0_Laptop: what have virtual terminals to do with runlevels again? |
| 13:34.25 | wols | and what about the init command? it's a great one, but anything else interesting? |
| 13:34.28 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | :p |
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| 13:35.57 | windowmaker | i'm trying to make a dedicated counter-strike server for my friends and i. i want it to run on debian but i'm not sure of what version to use, the server is using a cyrix m2 333mhz so it's about socket 7 generation. any help? |
| 13:36.52 | wols | windowmaker: any would work. just get a netinst, don't install X |
| 13:36.55 | wols | if you can help it |
| 13:38.08 | windowmaker | i don't want to do a netinst because i use wireless but the server is going to be wired (the router supports both).... so to connect the server to the internet i have to go downstairs, which means i can't use my primary monitor/keyboard and such to set it up |
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| 13:38.55 | jetx | what's wrong with wireless.. but you 'probably' want it hooked up like it will be when you install |
| 13:39.38 | windowmaker | i don't have a wireless card for my server. plus i aim on it being VERY low budget (so far every single peice has been free, and i aim to keep it that way) |
| 13:39.39 | nightfreak | how can i check if all cronjobs work properly? |
| 13:40.04 | wols | nightfreak: you will get mails if they don't |
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| 13:40.44 | nightfreak | wols: that depend son the jobs |
| 13:41.02 | wols | for me it depends on cron, since it's cron that mails me |
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| 13:41.56 | nightfreak | well, i know they don't run, but i don't know why |
| 13:42.24 | wols | looked in your logs? |
| 13:42.37 | nightfreak | syslog? |
| 13:44.09 | roxy_ | does inetd check host.allow and host.deny ? |
| 13:44.32 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | When I have the mouse connected and set up on my system,. the screen turns black when gdm loads. If I unplug the mouse and restart, kdm reports and error. |
| 13:44.35 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | ?= |
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| 13:44.49 | nightfreak | wols: Sep 30 15:21:32 h562445 cron[10159]: (CRON) DEATH (can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 1357: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 13:45.19 | wols | that's not a cronjob error it's a cron error... |
| 13:46.37 | Rizzo | i really need help sorting out gl drivers for the ati radeon x600 for debian 2.4 |
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| 13:47.01 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Anyone? |
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| 13:48.12 | roxy_ | Inf3rn0_Laptop: what X error when the mouse is connected ? |
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| 13:49.43 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | No error when the mouse is connected, just black screen. |
| 13:49.49 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | No pointing device when its out |
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| 13:52.53 | Rizzo | i really need help sorting out gl drivers for the ati radeon x600 for debian 2.4 |
| 13:53.41 | Sebulba02 | Hey, for some reason, sudo isn't expiring the password and has stopped asking for it. Anyone know what could cause this? It's not the clock, I'm not running as root, and a chkrootkit didn't find anything. |
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| 13:56.09 | wols | Rizzo: I doubt ati supports kernel 2.4 (btw, there is no debian 2.4) |
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| 13:56.14 | wols | instead upgrade to 2.6 first |
| 13:56.35 | wols | in fact, knowing ati I'd probably upgrade to testing |
| 13:56.46 | wols | Rizzo: where did you get your ati drivers? |
| 13:56.54 | Rizzo | binary cd 1 |
| 13:56.59 | Rizzo | but rejects them |
| 13:57.01 | Rizzo | saying wrong ones |
| 13:57.17 | wols | you can't have gotten it there: debian doesn't ship ati drivers on CDs. non free software -> can't |
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| 13:57.22 | zinx | pretty sure sarge has a 2.6 kernel |
| 13:57.28 | Rizzo | yeh |
| 13:57.32 | Rizzo | ive jsut installed 2.6 |
| 13:57.32 | Rizzo | brb |
| 13:57.34 | Rizzo | gotta restart |
| 13:58.18 | wols | and if the drivers are from before jan 2006 or so (which they are if they have anything to do with sarge), you can't use them: ati didn't support x??? cards before that in linux |
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| 13:58.39 | wols | hmm... maybe only x1?? cards |
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| 14:05.30 | SinnerG | is there a way to browse all folder and search for files owned by a certain group? |
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| 14:08.24 | wols | SinnerG: find can do it |
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| 14:10.22 | SinnerG | thx got it :) |
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| 14:20.21 | chris_ | how can I start multiple X sessions at the same time? I used X :1 , but x server complained my busid |
| 14:20.30 | asg | chris_: startx -- :1 |
| 14:22.01 | chris_ | asg: I did that but the error came up saying no match device for busid(pci:0:2:1) |
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| 14:23.12 | chris_ | asg: I have pci:0:2:0 in my xorg.conf, and it is being used, once i change it to 0:2:1, the error will again say something like no match for 0:2:0 |
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| 14:23.30 | asg | chris_: are you trying to use two monitors? |
| 14:24.01 | chris_ | asg: just one, but using ctrl+alt+f? to switch between them |
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| 14:24.20 | FromTO | ssh freezes after a couple of minutes of inactivity, more /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time says it is 2hours. Is there anywhere else I should be checking for? |
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| 14:25.06 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | When GDm starts, the monitor goes to sleep. What might be wrong? |
| 14:25.35 | asg | chris_: if you have an x86 base system, there should be no need to enter a bus id. |
| 14:25.56 | asg | FromTO: are you accessing a system behind a SOHO Netgear or other cheapo router? |
| 14:26.46 | helmut | Hi. Is compiz usable with debian without installing extra (non-debian) software? (compiz just came into my unstable) |
| 14:27.06 | chris_ | asg: I have xorg installed, everything is pretty much default, it is just the error keeps coming up |
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| 14:27.38 | asg | chris_: try removing the busid from your config and see if that helps. Otherwise, I don't know what the problem might be. |
| 14:28.04 | garo | Will the kernel automaticly mount swap if the system is in memory troubles and there is a line about swap in /etc/fstab and the swap partition mentioned in that line isn't already mounted ? |
| 14:28.13 | asg | garo: no |
| 14:28.58 | chris_ | asg: ok, give that a go |
| 14:29.11 | FromTO | asg: I honestly do not know . It is a dedicated IP address from a university server. So I do not think it would be |
| 14:30.13 | dhp | hello; using etch: when I press any key (letter, space, entre, backspace), it happens (randomly, about once every 3 times ) that machine acts like key was kept pressed; not keyboard problem, since does not happen under console; happens only under X, on 3 box (Etch/Debian, Gentoo, Ubuntu), with all applications. Does it sound like an X problem ? maybe kernel ? could it be related to graphical driver ? |
| 14:30.14 | asg | FromTO: oh, okay. You might check your sshd config to see if its keepalive settings are also enabled. Also, some high-end firewalls will have timeouts for tcp sessions lower than the 2hour limit in your kernel. |
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| 14:32.44 | FromTO | asg: Keepalive is set to yes. I will check with the university for the other thing |
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| 14:37.59 | yargo | hello, there was a fellow here yesterday who was trying to compile ltmodem on the latest 2.6 kernel. Well, if your here, I figured out how to do it. |
| 14:39.26 | jetx | that would be me |
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| 14:39.44 | tarzeau | why do such idiots exist? bugs.debian.org/149917 ? |
| 14:40.49 | Fossilet | LOL |
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| 14:41.16 | dhp | tarzeau: God created them ? Bible says: there are as much idiots on earth than sand bits on a beach |
| 14:41.24 | jetx | yargo: that would be me |
| 14:42.24 | yargo | jetx: oh hey, they stopped using MODEM_PARM as a macro and made it a function called modem_param |
| 14:42.35 | yargo | jetx: I'll find you a link for the patch |
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| 14:42.57 | jetx | so just find&replace should work maybe |
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| 14:43.29 | jetx | but i don't know the diff between a macro and a function :/ |
| 14:43.36 | tarzeau | dhp: so if i remove some sand bits, the idiots will disappear too? |
| 14:44.02 | jetx | no the sand will turn into more idiots |
| 14:44.03 | wols | computer chips are mad of sand right? |
| 14:44.06 | jetx | yes |
| 14:44.13 | jetx | melted sand i think |
| 14:44.18 | jetx | is that the sinners? |
| 14:44.20 | tarzeau | i think we should remove the shift keys |
| 14:44.24 | wols | tarzeau: there you have it. buying computers reduces idiocy in the world |
| 14:44.25 | tarzeau | and all capital letters |
| 14:44.29 | tarzeau | and the caps lock one too |
| 14:44.31 | yargo | jetx: just a sec. |
| 14:44.35 | jetx | np yargo |
| 14:44.48 | Fossilet | why compose key do not work in testing? |
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| 14:44.51 | Fossilet | gnome |
| 14:44.53 | tarzeau | Fossilet: german? |
| 14:45.25 | tarzeau | jetx: an important key |
| 14:45.35 | Fossilet | tarzeau: no. It havn't work for long in testing. |
| 14:45.41 | tarzeau | Fossilet: because the X maintainers suck? those from .pl? |
| 14:45.48 | tarzeau | Fossilet: really it's a bug that debian creates |
| 14:46.00 | tarzeau | Fossilet: it works if you use X, the source. not what debian broke |
| 14:46.10 | tarzeau | Fossilet: i think there's something in BTS |
| 14:46.15 | tarzeau | Fossilet: and we suffer too of this |
| 14:46.31 | tarzeau | Fossilet: but the debian maintainer doesn't suffer and is selfish |
| 14:47.08 | yargo | jetx: here's the patch: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/gentoo-..em/files/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8-kernel-changes.patch?rev=1.1 |
| 14:47.26 | Fossilet | tarzeau: is it a bug of debian X? |
| 14:47.42 | tarzeau | Fossilet: yes |
| 14:47.52 | tarzeau | Fossilet: and it's intended |
| 14:48.05 | jetx | thanks a lot yargo |
| 14:48.18 | Fossilet | tarzeau: why? how can work around it? I have enabled it in gnome. |
| 14:48.31 | tarzeau | Fossilet: no idea about gnome. but set it yourself and it'll work |
| 14:48.36 | tarzeau | Fossilet: it's just broken by default |
| 14:49.20 | jetx | yargo: bad link :/ but i'll find it. thanks again. |
| 14:49.38 | Fossilet | tarzeau: why is it intended? I do not know how to enable compse key in command line. |
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| 14:49.54 | Mammuth | hi |
| 14:49.58 | yargo | jetx: argg. the ".." dread |
| 14:50.02 | tarzeau | Fossilet: ask the maintainers. they know about the bug reports but don't fix it |
| 14:50.16 | jetx | ya |
| 14:50.22 | tarzeau | Fossilet: i think it's wrong if the user has to set it, if upstream has it non-buggy, and debian makes the bug |
| 14:50.27 | tarzeau | Fossilet: bug the maintainer enough |
| 14:51.41 | Fossilet | tarzeau: how can i enable it in command line? do you use it? Thank you.! |
| 14:51.57 | tarzeau | Fossilet: no i'm so lazy i leave the umlauts away that i need |
| 14:52.01 | yargo | jetx: let's try again, http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/gentoo-x86/net-dialup/ltmodem/files/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8-kernel-changes.patch?rev=1.1 |
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| 14:52.11 | tarzeau | Fossilet: since other programs of debian don't handle them, and i have no choice |
| 14:52.19 | tarzeau | Fossilet: to use correct real names |
| 14:52.45 | Fossilet | tarzeau: you mean it's impossible to use in now? |
| 14:52.55 | tarzeau | Fossilet: no. it's possible , possibly for your needs |
| 14:53.05 | jetx | yargo: \o/ |
| 14:53.11 | tarzeau | Fossilet: but my needs are to type/use my name also at places where it's not possible, thus i don't care |
| 14:53.52 | Fossilet | tarzeau: I do not very understand you. sorry. |
| 14:54.13 | tarzeau | Fossilet: it's ok. basically, i can not help you. consult the BTS |
| 14:54.30 | Mammuth | can anyone help me by configuring iptables? i have to send out one packet to multiple destination, without broadcast. |
| 14:54.34 | Fossilet | tarzeau: thank you! |
| 14:54.45 | Fossilet | tarzeau: you're very helpful. |
| 14:55.01 | tarzeau | Fossilet: really it's documented |
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| 14:55.15 | tarzeau | Fossilet: if you're too lazy to read it yourself, you can pay a consultant to do it for you |
| 14:55.23 | tarzeau | Fossilet: but that's just a work around |
| 14:55.31 | tarzeau | Fossilet: the real thing to do would be to fix it in the debian package |
| 14:55.52 | tarzeau | Fossilet: calling me very helpful while i'm not, doesn't get you anywhere |
| 14:56.07 | dvs | tarzeau: you're good looking. :-) |
| 14:56.10 | Taube | Mammuth: No idea how to send a packet AND dont loose the rules-chain-processing - but i help in #iptables too ;) |
| 14:56.17 | tarzeau | dvs: a/s/l? |
| 14:56.18 | jetx | tarzeau: has been on the rag imo for a month :) |
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| 14:56.33 | dvs | huh? |
| 14:56.46 | jetx | age/sex/something, i think |
| 14:57.00 | tarzeau | jetx: i don't think i'm raggy |
| 14:57.21 | tarzeau | jetx: but i think there's a lot of people even more lazy than myself |
| 14:57.36 | Taube | hungry, afk - eating stuff |
| 14:57.38 | Mammuth | Taube : i was there :) |
| 14:58.01 | tarzeau | jetx: i've got positive karma, and it's not even small: http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/?gurkan |
| 14:58.03 | Fossilet | tarzeau: I set it, but wont't work. |
| 14:58.12 | tarzeau | !doesn't work |
| 14:58.12 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 14:58.30 | tarzeau | Fossilet: really i told you i don't care about this minorly annoying bug |
| 14:58.35 | Fossilet | tarzeau: i'll just wait for the updates utill it works. |
| 14:58.46 | tarzeau | Fossilet: haha, you're quite optimistic |
| 14:58.56 | tarzeau | Fossilet: do you think someone will fix it if you don't tell them to do it? |
| 14:59.02 | jetx | Fossilet: ithink he said they dont seem to care about fixing it |
| 14:59.09 | jetx | yargo: thanks agian dude |
| 15:00.12 | Fossilet | tarzeau: I filled a bug last year over it, but i think they made a mistake |
| 15:00.27 | tarzeau | Fossilet: i'm not "they" |
| 15:00.36 | Fossilet | tarzeau: they confuse it with another one, and thougght my report is duplicated |
| 15:00.40 | tarzeau | Fossilet: debian has 1798 persons working on it |
| 15:00.48 | tarzeau | Fossilet: and i'm really not the one to talk about your problem |
| 15:00.53 | Fossilet | tarzeau: I really _told_ them. |
| 15:01.02 | tarzeau | Fossilet: tell them again |
| 15:01.03 | yargo | jetx: no prob. |
| 15:01.06 | tarzeau | Fossilet: tell them better |
| 15:01.17 | tarzeau | Fossilet: really talking to me, just won't get you lucky |
| 15:01.25 | tarzeau | Fossilet: or go out for a walk, visit friends |
| 15:01.38 | tarzeau | Fossilet: or fix it yourself. for your own, and maybe for others (submit a patch?) |
| 15:01.59 | Mammuth | Taube: in iptables can anyone help me? :) |
| 15:02.10 | Fossilet | tarzeau: they ignorde it |
| 15:02.12 | asg | Mammuth: #iptables can |
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| 15:02.30 | tarzeau | Fossilet: so, what can i do to help you, my friend? |
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| 15:02.59 | tarzeau | Fossilet: you can try to submit your problems to www.slashdot.org |
| 15:03.04 | Taube | Mammuth: if have an idea - not sure |
| 15:03.11 | Fossilet | tarzeau: are you a joker? |
| 15:03.15 | tarzeau | Fossilet: no |
| 15:03.17 | phanter | hi there. I need to remove vmware-player (since it is blocking my dpkg asking for a reinstall that always fails). I tried: sudo dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq vmware-player |
| 15:03.17 | phanter | this does not work, what do I do wrong? |
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| 15:03.23 | Fossilet | tarzeau: OK> |
| 15:03.41 | tarzeau | Fossilet: i'm just in no position to kick the right person in the ass |
| 15:03.46 | tarzeau | Fossilet: neither are you |
| 15:03.58 | tarzeau | i think i told you what your possibilities are |
| 15:04.11 | craigevil | phanter you have to use the uninstall script vmware comes with |
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| 15:04.38 | Mammuth | thx for all |
| 15:04.40 | Mammuth | bye |
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| 15:05.20 | Fossilet | Your search - compose key site:bugs.debian.org - did not match any documents. |
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| 15:05.50 | tarzeau | Fossilet: this place #debian is full of debian *users* |
| 15:06.11 | tarzeau | Fossilet: it's not likely to be read by the people who don't care about the bug you are concerned about |
| 15:06.17 | blackelf | how to use LVM2? Like, if I create partitions on LVM then I can easly resize them? which file systems allow to be growed? what about JFS |
| 15:06.32 | tarzeau | Fossilet: you could use FreeBSD |
| 15:06.32 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 15:06.42 | tarzeau | Fossilet: they don't change upstream software as much as Debian does |
| 15:06.47 | Shadowcat | LVM sucks |
| 15:06.48 | Shadowcat | seriously |
| 15:06.53 | blackelf | why |
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| 15:07.00 | tarzeau | because it's LinuxVM |
| 15:07.10 | tarzeau | LinuxLargeVM |
| 15:07.12 | Shadowcat | because if you're asking about LVM, you'll most likely break something |
| 15:07.21 | phanter | oke thanks, I will try that option indeed |
| 15:07.35 | blackelf | .... |
| 15:07.37 | Shadowcat | it's like Dynamic Disks in Windows |
| 15:07.43 | Shadowcat | if you're asking about it, you shouldn't be using one |
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| 15:07.57 | blackelf | stop beeing smartass |
| 15:08.13 | blackelf | I was asking because I wonder is it worthy to learn it |
| 15:08.31 | tarzeau | if you don't need it, don't learn it |
| 15:08.39 | Shadowcat | and if you do need it, you'd already know |
| 15:08.46 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: exactly |
| 15:08.59 | blackelf | I know that I have problems with sizing partitions |
| 15:09.22 | tarzeau | delegate problems like that |
| 15:09.24 | blackelf | like - after 3 months I need to resize /srv/svn and so on |
| 15:09.32 | blackelf | delegate? like to who |
| 15:09.37 | Shadowcat | ..... |
| 15:09.39 | wols | blackelf: why do create several partitions in the first place? |
| 15:09.40 | tarzeau | anyone but you :) |
| 15:09.57 | Shadowcat | if you have to resize /srv/svn after only three months you need to take a class in server planning |
| 15:10.06 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: :) how true |
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| 15:10.26 | blackelf | wols: security, different types of raid, easier maintaince |
| 15:10.49 | Shadowcat | different types of raid? |
| 15:10.53 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: yes |
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| 15:11.02 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: www.linuks.mine.nu/raid.jpg |
| 15:11.04 | blackelf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.06 | Shadowcat | oh ya mixing software and hardware raid is such a good idea |
| 15:11.14 | blackelf | software only |
| 15:11.26 | Shadowcat | you DO realize that LVM IS software raid right? |
| 15:11.30 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 15:11.37 | Shadowcat | you might even be running the darn thing without realizing it |
| 15:11.46 | dvs | heh |
| 15:12.03 | Shadowcat | specifically LVM in it's simplest form is JBOD |
| 15:12.11 | Shadowcat | and we can go on from there |
| 15:12.20 | blackelf | well that was "helpfull" thanks |
| 15:12.47 | tarzeau | blackelf: just one l at the end |
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| 15:13.09 | tarzeau | at least you can improve your english language in #debian |
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| 15:14.07 | katz123 | hello |
| 15:14.08 | katz123 | i have been given a nr. of 20 external (routable) ip's that i need to route in my lan. i am a bit lost, however. how do i route them, since i tried to route it the same way as a normal class c, but it doesn't work. thanks |
| 15:14.09 | Fossilet | tarzeau: thanks. |
| 15:14.11 | blackelf | mirrored raid is about x2 faster in reading but x2 slower in writting? |
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| 15:14.23 | tarzeau | blackelf: writing. says who? |
| 15:14.29 | minerale | How can I increase the resolution of the frame buffer ? |
| 15:14.40 | blackelf | tarzeau: I was asking, is that information not correct? |
| 15:14.58 | wols | blackelf: and it's not 2x faster in reading either. seek times don't change |
| 15:14.59 | yargo | minerale: fbset |
| 15:15.12 | Shadowcat | blackelf: do you even know about how raid works? |
| 15:15.23 | blackelf | wols: hmm but you can seek on the disc which is not bussy with other queries right? |
| 15:15.29 | tarzeau | blackelf: it's a question where you can't say yes or no |
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| 15:15.37 | tarzeau | busy! |
| 15:15.39 | wols | blackelf: do you know what a seek is? |
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| 15:15.49 | dn4 | does USPS delievery mon-sun? |
| 15:15.51 | minerale | yargo: I thought it was something I called when launching the kernel |
| 15:15.52 | blackelf | wols: moving reading head into correct position? |
| 15:16.02 | blackelf | *header |
| 15:16.12 | blackelf | erm.. you know what I ment |
| 15:16.27 | wols | I know, but you apparently don't what it entails |
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| 15:16.57 | whirm | hi |
| 15:16.58 | yargo | minerale: when loading the module, say atyfb, in /etc/modules, you could use "atyfb mode=800x600-16" or so. |
| 15:17.14 | whirm | anyone knows where to find debian packages for jahshaka? |
| 15:17.25 | tarzeau | whirm: on google/ |
| 15:17.25 | blackelf | wols: if I have hda and hdb in mirror, and hda is bussy reading some data from not-raid partition, then the data which is on raid mirror can be read from hdb without waitig for hda right? |
| 15:17.39 | Shadowcat | blackelf: first off |
| 15:17.55 | Shadowcat | why the hell are you mixing raid modes on the same physical media? |
| 15:18.13 | blackelf | Shadowcat: well I am following gentoo handbook on raid+lvm setup |
| 15:18.18 | Shadowcat | if you want raid one you dedicate two whole drives to the task and leave it alone |
| 15:18.28 | Shadowcat | blackelf: and this is #debian |
| 15:18.31 | wols | blackelf: except maybe for /boot |
| 15:18.31 | tarzeau | !ricers |
| 15:18.32 | Shadowcat | which means, bug #gentoo |
| 15:18.37 | tarzeau | !ricer |
| 15:18.37 | dpkg | from memory, ricer is at gentoo |
| 15:18.41 | blackelf | Shadowcat: and LVM is not gentoo only it is same on debian |
| 15:18.46 | whirm | tarzeau: I can only find the marillat ones, jahshaka is now on version 2.0 rc3 and I cannot find them :-/ |
| 15:19.02 | tarzeau | whirm: maybe ask marillat? or make your own? |
| 15:19.04 | Shadowcat | blackelf: that's totally beside the point; if you're NOT running debian, why should we help you? |
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| 15:19.15 | Shadowcat | we have enough trouble with the debian users |
| 15:19.16 | wols | Shadowcat: cause he's special |
| 15:19.25 | Shadowcat | wols: and special means dumb |
| 15:19.27 | blackelf | Shadowcat: are you paid to be unfriendly smartass here? and I do run debian |
| 15:19.30 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: trouble with users? |
| 15:19.39 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: pebkac mostly :) |
| 15:19.40 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: it's not like maintainers are not troublesome |
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| 15:19.51 | wols | blackelf: |
| 15:19.54 | blackelf | wols: wow I see channel quality degrading, too bad |
| 15:19.58 | Shadowcat | ya well apt's still broken in unstable :( |
| 15:20.05 | wols | if you want to follow the gentoo books, ask gentoo |
| 15:20.14 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: there's a reason why i don't blindly upgrade apt in sid :) |
| 15:20.27 | blackelf | wols: this stuff is not gentoo specyfic is it? |
| 15:20.36 | whirm | tarzeau: yup, if no one knows anything I will have to ask him. thanks |
| 15:20.40 | Shadowcat | blackelf: the bloody implementation might very well be |
| 15:20.41 | wols | degrading? I guess you're right. we were too friendly way too long with your "specialness". but we will improve in the future. after all we have a reputation to uphold |
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| 15:21.02 | Shadowcat | for once thing, all the binaries are PROBABLY NOT in the same place |
| 15:21.03 | blackelf | Shadowcat: yes, therefor I am asking here about debian's implementation. |
| 15:21.06 | wols | blackelf: it is not. but there needs some intelligence to translate it to apply to debian |
| 15:21.21 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: but are the binaries all lowercase? |
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| 15:21.30 | blackelf | wols: well I will ask about the debian only details later |
| 15:21.36 | wols | tarzeau: only if you don't install X |
| 15:21.41 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: I know for a fact gentoo likes /usr/local/bin a lot more than debian does |
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| 15:21.44 | Shadowcat | among other things |
| 15:21.45 | tarzeau | wols: and some other software |
| 15:22.15 | Shadowcat | as most of the ebuilds are install from source, it'll compile to default locations |
| 15:22.16 | blackelf | wols: and I think your attitude "if you are reading info from GENTOO handbook then I will not help" is foolish. WIll ou help me if I am using debian but sitting in a t-shirt with gentoo logo? |
| 15:22.34 | Shadowcat | blackelf: actually even if you were using debian |
| 15:22.40 | Shadowcat | I'd probably point you to a how-to |
| 15:22.45 | wols | I think you are foolish too. and that has NOTHING to do with any reading you do. gentoo or debian books |
| 15:22.46 | Shadowcat | you're asking us to teach you LVM |
| 15:22.58 | Shadowcat | and last time I checked, that carried a €500 an hour pricetag |
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| 15:23.15 | Shadowcat | we're not your personal tutors |
| 15:23.19 | blackelf | no, I was asking a quick opinion is lvm2 a good solution for growing partitons. |
| 15:23.32 | Shadowcat | there's no such thing as a quick question |
| 15:23.35 | blackelf | Shadowcat: if you dont want to share knowlage then just dont |
| 15:23.38 | wols | blackelf: in short, right now, you have burned your bridges here. acknowledge it and move on |
| 15:24.03 | Shadowcat | Linux is by its very nature complicated |
| 15:24.14 | Shadowcat | and LVM is pretty much as complicated as you can go with space management |
| 15:24.34 | blackelf | wols: jsut because of 2 smartasses users I hope the rest of channel is more helpfull. Or did Lilo's prioject failed such faslty without supervision. |
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| 15:24.35 | Shadowcat | there's NOTHING simple about it |
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| 15:24.49 | minerale | yargo: how do I find/list/read about the frame buffer drivers ? |
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| 15:24.57 | wols | blackelf: the trouble is, those are two of the knowledgeable users in here right now... and personally it's open who the smartass is |
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| 15:25.33 | blackelf | wols: I asked about is LVM2 good for growing partitions. And the resonsde "look we are so smart" is not very helpfull actually |
| 15:25.34 | wols | blackelf: but if you want to continue the flamefest, stay here by all means |
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| 15:25.38 | mentor | Shadowcat: Calm down |
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| 15:26.13 | RobHu | If I have chroot to a directory and do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade am I updating the system I have chrooted into or the system I'm booted in to? |
| 15:26.15 | wols | blackelf: he didn't say that in the beginning. and what he did say was rigjht |
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| 15:26.39 | blackelf | wols: noone responded yet, is LVM2 a good solution for growing partitions |
| 15:26.53 | blackelf | perhaps #gentoo users are less smartasses and more helpfull, lets check. |
| 15:26.53 | wols | he said so: no it's not since it sucks |
| 15:26.59 | Shadowcat | blackelf: ever consider that the question is fundamentally flawed? |
| 15:27.00 | wols | doesn't mean there is any better solution |
| 15:27.12 | mentor | blackelf: With a logical bolume manager it is easy to make logical volumes bigger and smaller, yes. You also need a filesystem that can dynamically resize too. |
| 15:27.17 | wols | blackelf: and also read the factoid about "best" |
| 15:27.22 | blackelf | mentor: thanks |
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| 15:27.32 | blackelf | mentor: which filesytems are easly growable? what about JFS? |
| 15:27.38 | mentor | blackelf: I'm not sure. |
| 15:27.54 | Shadowcat | I knew that would be the next question |
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| 15:27.56 | blackelf | wow, just 2 seconds and I got response on #gentoo "yes - growable, not good for shrinking' |
| 15:27.59 | wols | blackelf: you are changing questions |
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| 15:28.09 | Shadowcat | you should be reading the LVM How-To |
| 15:28.18 | wols | blackelf: then what are you doing here again? if gentoo is so good? |
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| 15:28.23 | blackelf | [17:06] <blackelf> how to use LVM2? Like, if I create partitions on LVM then I can easly resize them? which file systems allow to be growed? what about JFS |
| 15:28.36 | mentor | Shadowcat, wols: OK, You're not really being very helpful here. |
| 15:28.58 | blackelf | wols: debian is also good. So is big part of it's community, excluding some users here. |
| 15:29.14 | mentor | blackelf: Of course, you can pretty much resize any filesystem offline with enough effort. |
| 15:29.18 | goldsmurf | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/extendlv.html ? |
| 15:29.31 | Shadowcat | mentor: you want that fs to be usable too :P |
| 15:29.42 | Shadowcat | copying the data off and then nuking/recreating doesn't count :P |
| 15:29.45 | blackelf | I was thinking about JFS. is it eaasy to resize in place |
| 15:29.50 | RobHu | blackelf: Reiserfs is |
| 15:29.52 | blackelf | without coping data to other partitoon and back |
| 15:29.59 | blackelf | I dont quite like reiserfs |
| 15:30.01 | RobHu | blackelf: It can be resized live too |
| 15:30.06 | Shadowcat | shrugs |
| 15:30.11 | mentor | blac |
| 15:30.12 | mentor | blackelf: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/extendlv.html |
| 15:30.13 | Shadowcat | I'm the only one in here who uses Reiser4 |
| 15:30.18 | blackelf | mentor: reading it |
| 15:30.23 | mentor | spiffy |
| 15:30.37 | blackelf | it was told that reiserfs contains a huge WTF |
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| 15:30.43 | mentor | Shadowcat: How do you know? |
| 15:30.44 | blackelf | it have a code that allows collisions |
| 15:30.54 | Shadowcat | mentor: at least last time I checked |
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| 15:31.01 | blackelf | and causes data corruption, but dunno is it just an urban legend from kernletrap |
| 15:31.02 | wols | blackelf: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php |
| 15:31.03 | Yamaraj | Shadowcat: Any instability or crashes yet with ReiserFS 4? |
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| 15:31.14 | Shadowcat | Yamaraj: it's fine here |
| 15:31.15 | cds | Is it possible to make X use ttf, etc fonts stored on the hdd? |
| 15:31.19 | wols | and you know that the old fs proverb applies: if you have to ask: use ext3 |
| 15:31.22 | blackelf | cds: yes |
| 15:31.25 | Shadowcat | but I know stew would argue that with me until the end of time |
| 15:31.33 | Shadowcat | so would abrotman |
| 15:31.37 | blackelf | cds: I did it simply in KDE manager but there are probably more professional ways |
| 15:31.43 | mentor | blackelf: Reiser3 and Reiser4 both started out being quite buggy...but as with the nature of development they get better |
| 15:31.53 | cds | blackelf: Will KDE manager affect apps like gimp and firefox? |
| 15:32.03 | blackelf | cds: afair YES but I am not 100% shure |
| 15:32.04 | Shadowcat | why would KDE affect GTK? |
| 15:32.08 | mentor | IIRC, Yahoo uses reiser3 across its production environment |
| 15:32.09 | Shadowcat | no |
| 15:32.19 | wols | Shadowcat: the fonts. kde manager is some font thing in kde |
| 15:32.38 | blackelf | mentor: but the WTF is that the reiserfs code is told to deliberetly accept the fact that collision of file names will lead to data corruption and does nothing to prevent it |
| 15:32.43 | Shadowcat | wols: granted GTK apps look down right ugly (because they're without skins) in KDE |
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| 15:32.50 | wols | Shadowcat: what does reiser4 give you? except a bleeding edge |
| 15:32.54 | Shadowcat | but otherwise KDE leaves them alone unless you tell them otherwise |
| 15:33.01 | mentor | blackelf: Ah. I've not heard that. Yes, that would be a WTF. |
| 15:33.02 | Shadowcat | wols: around 15 min off a kernel compile |
| 15:33.13 | Shadowcat | shaves it down from 45 to 30 min |
| 15:33.25 | Shadowcat | mind you that's the worst case scenario |
| 15:33.31 | Shadowcat | usually it's 5-7 min |
| 15:33.31 | dvs | What kind of CPU? |
| 15:33.38 | Yamaraj | Shadowcat: Did you compare it with XFS and JFS in speed? |
| 15:33.49 | Shadowcat | Pentium-M 1.4 1280mb ram, 120gb 5400rpm hd |
| 15:33.50 | blackelf | mentor: I read it on kerneltrap some time ago ; it is so because the solving of collision would decrease performance... therfore some people say that only thing reiserfs is good for are things like squid cache |
| 15:34.03 | Shadowcat | Yamaraj: they're neck and neck |
| 15:34.05 | cds | How do I run kdemanager (bearing in mind I use icewm) |
| 15:34.07 | cds | ? |
| 15:34.08 | Shadowcat | all I know is that ext3 is way back there |
| 15:34.24 | blackelf | cds: never mind taht, use some other way to get the fonts usable |
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| 15:34.36 | cds | Hm, ok |
| 15:34.39 | Shadowcat | wols: basically, reiserfs is simply faster |
| 15:34.46 | Shadowcat | there's no way around it |
| 15:34.49 | cds | I tried the X config, but that seems to not want to do it |
| 15:34.53 | blackelf | Shadowcat: for lots of access to small files... |
| 15:35.21 | Shadowcat | when I transitioned to an ext3 machine after months on resier4, I thought the HD was running in PIO4 mode |
| 15:35.31 | Shadowcat | that's the kind of difference we're talking about |
| 15:35.38 | Shadowcat | reiser4* |
| 15:36.08 | sphenxes | what is PI04 mode |
| 15:36.11 | cahoot | Shadowcat: got any harder data than that kind of subjective feel? |
| 15:36.16 | Shadowcat | takes around twice as long to unpack a kernel tarball in ext3 for example |
| 15:36.22 | Shadowcat | cahoot: the kernel compile times |
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| 15:36.33 | Shadowcat | I type time make-kpkg .... everytime |
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| 15:37.30 | blackelf | is there a project that monitors which files are touched often and keeps them precache in some way? |
| 15:37.51 | Shadowcat | I believe that's called disk cache |
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| 15:38.17 | blackelf | disk cache keeps statistics of which pages will pobbly be needed again? |
| 15:38.46 | Shadowcat | well it's probably not a blind cacher |
| 15:39.03 | blackelf | I am affraid it rather is |
| 15:39.06 | blackelf | or almost |
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| 15:39.20 | blackelf | in general linux kernel sucks - like no swap prefetching by default |
| 15:39.33 | mentor | haha |
| 15:39.43 | blackelf | only in -CK patches |
| 15:39.50 | Yamaraj | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 compares ext3, reiserfs, xfs and jfs. Both XFS and JFS are faster than reiser in most cases. Reiser performed bad in case of large file copying. |
| 15:40.05 | Shadowcat | yet it still manages to outperform this windows install by being around six times smaller and twice as fast |
| 15:40.09 | Shadowcat | so if the Linux kernel sucks |
| 15:40.18 | Shadowcat | I'd hate to see how ntskrnl.exe's written |
| 15:40.20 | blackelf | then windows kernel is horrbile, yes I know |
| 15:40.28 | Shadowcat | so choose your words carefully |
| 15:40.52 | blackelf | still it is imho very bad that kernel (vanilla) doesnt prefatch swap pages to memory in idle time (nor mirror some mem to swap) |
| 15:41.00 | mentor | blackelf: The disk cache uses a LRU implementation, yes. Which is the least worst implementation |
| 15:41.37 | blackelf | mentor: so it is good? neat. but I was in addition speaking about SWAP (not cache) which is not too good |
| 15:41.40 | Shadowcat | there are no smart caching implementations short of a slave sitting next to you reading your face expressions and then caching manually |
| 15:41.42 | mentor | blackelf: Linux aggresively swaps pages out, so that it can use physical memory for other cached data |
| 15:41.54 | Yamaraj | Which patchset is good for a noncritical laptop? |
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| 15:42.07 | mentor | blackelf: If Linux has swapped a page out, it's because it doesn't thinkit is needed, shirley? |
| 15:42.21 | blackelf | Yamaraj: none, vanila is good just be shure to compile in all ACPI stuff and get laptop mode tools |
| 15:42.30 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: so does FreeBSD |
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| 15:42.42 | blackelf | mentor: but as the RAM is again free, it should mirror back tha page , in IDLE time |
| 15:42.46 | tarzeau | wols: X is not the only one having capital letters in their binaries |
| 15:42.52 | mentor | blackelf: RAM should never be free. |
| 15:43.00 | tarzeau | wols: and there's nothing wrong with capital letters in binary programs |
| 15:43.01 | blackelf | mentor: exacly my point |
| 15:43.07 | Shadowcat | ram IS never free |
| 15:43.08 | mentor | blackelf: ... |
| 15:43.20 | Shadowcat | there's like a minute amount of ram that's not used in Linux |
| 15:43.21 | blackelf | mentor: take a while to read carefully and understand. |
| 15:43.24 | Shadowcat | and Windows for that matter |
| 15:43.31 | Shadowcat | they're both very efficient at making use of memory |
| 15:43.38 | Shadowcat | blackelf: looks to me like you're just whining |
| 15:43.46 | Shadowcat | if you think the implementation sucks, write a better one |
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| 15:43.49 | blackelf | mentor: you have 100 MB of real RAM and 100 swap partition |
| 15:43.55 | mentor | blackelf: The reason the page is evicted is because Linux has decided that physical memory would be more useful for something else. |
| 15:43.59 | blackelf | Shadowcat: -CK patch is the better implementation |
| 15:44.04 | Spark | i keep getting dmesg output: fh_verify: no root_squashed access at 6/D5133206 |
| 15:44.12 | Shadowcat | blackelf: did you write it? |
| 15:44.25 | blackelf | Shadowcat: no, but I think I will write one |
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| 15:44.37 | Shadowcat | great, do that instead of whining |
| 15:44.43 | blackelf | not a real patch since I dont know kernel internals enought, but an emulation |
| 15:44.49 | blackelf | anyway; mentor: true |
| 15:44.55 | Shadowcat | ... |
| 15:45.02 | Shadowcat | blackelf: do you even know C/C++? |
| 15:45.05 | mentor | blackelf: So, the only problem is that the decision that the evicted page would be more useful back in RAM is never made? |
| 15:45.05 | stainlessmice | if we had two kinds of ram on our board, we could run anything with memory |
| 15:45.17 | blackelf | Shadowcat: yes I develop in c++ |
| 15:45.26 | Shadowcat | do you know C? |
| 15:45.32 | Shadowcat | as in the C libraries |
| 15:45.32 | stainlessmice | no |
| 15:45.39 | blackelf | Shadowcat: not too much, therefore I dont hack kernel |
| 15:45.48 | blackelf | mentor: the problem is when the ram is again free |
| 15:45.56 | mentor | blackelf: It never becomes free. |
| 15:45.58 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 15:46.04 | blackelf | mentor: it do |
| 15:46.39 | mentor | Yes, it is starting to wander off.... |
| 15:46.39 | blackelf | mentor: lunch 3d renderer or modeller (3d wings), make some thing that uses 500 MB od ram - you have 1000/1000 MB ram used |
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| 15:47.08 | blackelf | mentor: then close that application, you have 500 MB ram free, and yet 300 MB in swap |
| 15:47.41 | blackelf | 500 mb will be free for hours if you dont use computer. the kernel should move or copy(mirror) the 300 mb swap to ram so that swapped data will be faster accessed when needed |
| 15:47.49 | mentor | blackelf: Bah, I've forgotten how the heap works. |
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| 15:48.08 | stainlessmice | my linux/bsd didn't touch the swap space, weired |
| 15:48.10 | blackelf | mentor: so you see my point then? |
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| 15:48.26 | mentor | blackelf: Yes, I can see a point. |
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| 15:48.31 | blackelf | cool |
| 15:48.41 | blackelf | CK patch allows to mirror back the swap into ram in IDLE time |
| 15:48.50 | Shadowcat | it's not something I have time to fix anyway |
| 15:48.58 | Shadowcat | I have enough exams to worry about without having to fix the Linux kernel |
| 15:48.59 | avorain | hello everybody |
| 15:49.02 | Shadowcat | that's Torvald's job |
| 15:49.07 | Shadowcat | Torvalds' even |
| 15:49.08 | hackel_ | It seems like aptitude is trying to install packages off some kind of pre-defined list someplace. How can I reset this so that it only does what I tell it? |
| 15:49.19 | mentor | blackelf: Anyway, this conversation has wandered readily off the point... we should probably get back to talking about Debian. |
| 15:49.21 | Yamaraj | Linux kernel developers are not exactly idiots anyway. They know their stuff, and they know well. |
| 15:49.26 | Shadowcat | hackel_: are you talking about tasksel? |
| 15:49.39 | Shadowcat | Yamaraj: actually in my view |
| 15:49.44 | yargo | mineral: find out what kinda video card you have then look up the frame buffer info for it. |
| 15:49.49 | Shadowcat | you really gotta be an insane person to deal with pointers all day |
| 15:49.54 | Shadowcat | but I'm in that group so |
| 15:50.06 | hackel_ | Shadowcat: it's possible. When I try to dist-upgrade on this machine, it wants to install all these packages I never told it to. |
| 15:50.18 | Shadowcat | those are called dependencies |
| 15:50.20 | Shadowcat | leave them alone |
| 15:50.21 | blackelf | mentor: I was thinking about writting small emulation of kernel (in terms of resource usage) to test and excercide new kernel ideas. Perhpas I should make a debian package out of it when it start to work? |
| 15:50.23 | hackel_ | Shadowcat: these are *not* dependencies of upgraded packages or anything. |
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| 15:50.29 | mentor | hackel_: It might be satisying recommend outmatically? |
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| 15:50.38 | Shadowcat | or what mentor said |
| 15:50.43 | Yamaraj | Pointers cannot be avoided, not until someone rewrites the kernel in Java. And even Java has pointers in hiding. |
| 15:50.47 | fas3r | hi all |
| 15:50.52 | Shadowcat | ya btw WHO's idea was it to turn on --with-recommends by default? |
| 15:50.54 | stainlessmice | hi |
| 15:50.56 | blackelf | POINTERS IN SHADOW |
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| 15:51.01 | blackelf | ninja-pointers |
| 15:51.02 | av16ar | hi |
| 15:51.03 | fas3r | it's possible to configure sshd for it listen on two ports ? |
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| 15:51.11 | stainlessmice | o.o |
| 15:51.13 | Shadowcat | fas3r: start another sshd |
| 15:51.22 | Shadowcat | feed it a different config file |
| 15:51.23 | fas3r | ? |
| 15:51.26 | blackelf | fas3r: yeah start seconds sshd |
| 15:51.38 | Vitux | I dont suppose theres an apt for wolfet eh :P |
| 15:51.52 | hackel_ | mentor: I know there's a setting for this, but I don't see it set anywhere... apt-get dist-upgrade wants to do nothing, only aptitude has this problem. |
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| 15:51.57 | blackelf | fas3r: make a copy of /etc/ssh to /etc/ssh.2 configure it and probably double the /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 15:52.10 | cahoot | fas3r: Multiple port options are permitted. |
| 15:52.19 | hackel_ | I thought maybe aptitude maintained it's own lsit of packages to install (e.g. from it's GUI mode, which I never use). |
| 15:52.23 | mentor | hackel_: run aptitude in curses mode and go look in the options |
| 15:52.26 | blackelf | heh cahoot's solution is easier :P |
| 15:52.28 | fas3r | cahoot, with a , in the |
| 15:52.37 | fas3r | /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 15:52.49 | Shadowcat | ok or what cahoot suggested |
| 15:52.50 | mentor | blackelf: Just use Xen or qemu? |
| 15:52.57 | yargo | hackel_: I think it's under misc options (install recommends) |
| 15:53.03 | fas3r | blackelf, Shadowcat , but i need to modify the /etc/services no ? |
| 15:53.27 | blackelf | fas3r: I dont think so |
| 15:53.31 | fas3r | i add another line with the other port ? |
| 15:53.37 | av16ar | I have installed linux-image-2.6.18-1-686. Do i need to do something to make my intel pro wireless 2200 work ? |
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| 15:53.49 | Shadowcat | umm /etc/services is only so that the thing can be identified |
| 15:53.56 | Shadowcat | you can bind ports without adding it there |
| 15:54.02 | cahoot | fas3r: I'd try with just space |
| 15:54.12 | fas3r | maybe it's possible to make an iptalbe rules no ? |
| 15:54.21 | fas3r | it's not more easy ? |
| 15:54.33 | hackel_ | mentor: It -was- set in the GUI, but changing it seemed to have no effect. |
| 15:54.37 | stainlessmice | port forwarding? |
| 15:55.04 | fas3r | stainlessmice, maybeyes |
| 15:55.16 | blondie | mice |
| 15:55.20 | blondie | are for eating |
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| 15:55.39 | stainlessmice | use a hareware SUA + many sshd bixes |
| 15:55.42 | yargo | av16ar: try googling intel pro wireless linux |
| 15:56.04 | blondie | Shadowcat: you being a cat should appreciate it! |
| 15:56.06 | mentor | hackel_: hmm |
| 15:56.14 | cahoot | fas3r: err - one Portline/port |
| 15:56.16 | mentor | hackel_: hit 'U' to prepare another upgrade |
| 15:56.17 | Shadowcat | I don't eat plastic mice |
| 15:56.37 | stainlessmice | fas3r, use a hareware SUA/port mapping on the router + many sshd bixes |
| 15:56.37 | blondie | what about stainless ones? |
| 15:56.38 | fas3r | cahoot, what ? |
| 15:56.41 | av16ar | yes i did it but i didn't find clearly if i have to rebuild a new kernel or not |
| 15:56.47 | hackel_ | mentor: for example, it's trying to install exim4, when the machine is already running postfix just fine. That seems like a leftover remnant from installation? |
| 15:57.11 | av16ar | maybe it is possible to make it work without rebuild a new kernel ? |
| 15:57.19 | Yamaraj | Why userspace sucks, and more - http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/07/21/192241&from=rss |
| 15:57.25 | mentor | hackel_: Try telling it not to and see what it says |
| 15:57.27 | Yamaraj | Not new, but worth a read again. |
| 15:58.20 | hackel_ | mentor: I did, it doesn't show any errors or anything. It doesn't break any dependency. It just acts like I told it to install exim, which of course I did not. |
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| 15:59.08 | mentor | hackel_: weird |
| 15:59.49 | yargo | av16ar: you could try to use the driver that comes with the kernel "modprobe ipw2200", or you could recomplie with the driver from sourceforge. |
| 15:59.55 | HYPOCRISY | hey |
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| 16:00.48 | mentor | PySCo: Hi |
| 16:01.00 | av16ar | what do you mean by « with the kernel "modprobe ipw2200" » ? |
| 16:01.02 | HYPOCRISY | confidential |
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| 16:02.54 | yargo | av16ar: the 2.6.14 (or greater) kernel comes with the ipw2200 module (driver) for your card. As root: modprobe ipw2200 to install it |
| 16:04.10 | av16ar | and to do it, have I to install "ipw2200-source" package ? no, I assume |
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| 16:04.47 | Yamaraj | av16ar: Did you install ipw2200 firmware? |
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| 16:05.03 | av16ar | hmm, no |
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| 16:05.10 | av16ar | just Debian unstable |
| 16:05.13 | stainlessmice | fas3r, ipw on linux? lol |
| 16:05.15 | czr | quick question. where can I find iso images for older debians? |
| 16:05.20 | czr | ones that use 2.0 kernel |
| 16:05.21 | yargo | av16ar: the module came with my kernel |
| 16:05.27 | Shadowcat | ....... |
| 16:05.34 | Shadowcat | you can't run ipw2xxx without firmware |
| 16:05.39 | stainlessmice | ... |
| 16:05.44 | Shadowcat | in fact if you don't install it the kernel can panic in some situations |
| 16:05.46 | Yamaraj | av16ar: You need the firmware, not the module. |
| 16:05.51 | Shadowcat | he needs both |
| 16:05.53 | fas3r | stainlessmice, ipw ? |
| 16:06.07 | Yamaraj | Shadowcat: Default Debian kernel comes with the module. |
| 16:06.17 | stainlessmice | it's not to you, nothing, sorry |
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| 16:06.35 | av16ar | i remember that with the same laptop and with Ubuntu, it works directly |
| 16:06.36 | Shadowcat | Yamaraj: which won't do you a shred of good unless you visit ipw2xxxx.sf.net |
| 16:06.51 | Shadowcat | because Ubuntu ships with the firmware, debian doesn't |
| 16:07.02 | Yamaraj | Shadowcat: Agreed. and ieee80211.sf.net too. |
| 16:07.09 | Shadowcat | debian is Linux without training wheels |
| 16:07.14 | av16ar | so I have to install the firmware you think ? |
| 16:07.22 | Shadowcat | while Ubuntu is Linux with like 10 tons of padding to break your fall |
| 16:07.25 | czr | old debian install isos, anyone? |
| 16:07.31 | Yamaraj | av16ar: Which kernel? |
| 16:07.36 | yargo | av16ar: listen to shadowcat, read the web. |
| 16:08.10 | av16ar | linux-image-2.6.18-1-686 |
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| 16:08.24 | Yamaraj | av16ar: You need the firmware version 3.0 |
| 16:08.30 | Shadowcat | ..... and he's using unstable? |
| 16:08.31 | Shadowcat | WTF |
| 16:08.38 | Shadowcat | av16ar is gonna hurt himself badly |
| 16:08.44 | av16ar | ouch |
| 16:08.58 | av16ar | so what do I have to do ? xD |
| 16:09.04 | clownish | hey folks, im trying to build a kernel on my own, but i cant get it to work. the kernel is freezing complete after this message: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/4231 |
| 16:09.06 | hackel_ | I just removed /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates and things seem to be working fine now. |
| 16:09.22 | Shadowcat | av16ar: how about installing Stable until you learn how to operate debian? |
| 16:09.36 | Shadowcat | because if you wait until you screw up in sid (and you will) no one in here will help you |
| 16:09.43 | av16ar | no, even I think I'm able at this point |
| 16:10.13 | Shadowcat | suit yourself |
| 16:10.21 | Shadowcat | I'm tired of telling people not to hurt themselves |
| 16:10.21 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:10.22 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:10.24 | gravity | It's a fun learning experience |
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| 16:10.39 | Shadowcat | gravity: also known as getting ignored by most of us due to whining |
| 16:10.45 | Shadowcat | but oh well each to his/her own |
| 16:11.10 | gravity | Shadowcat: That's fine too |
| 16:11.11 | Shadowcat | this building I'm living in is so new it doesn't even show up on Google Earth |
| 16:11.14 | nvz | what are we having :P |
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| 16:11.17 | Shadowcat | so good luck nvz :P |
| 16:11.29 | Shadowcat | anyhow, gone |
| 16:11.36 | sphenxes | i am debian&linux newbie, my question, what is the library dependency hell that everyone keep speaking about. and why it is not solved. I would like to stay by linux but a some friends are telling me that BSD is better because there is no library dependancy problem. can anyone explain to me please |
| 16:12.10 | gravity | heh |
| 16:12.13 | av16ar | ok thank you for your help i will try the firmware :) |
| 16:12.22 | yargo | sphenxes: when you have libraries, you have dependancies. Such is life. |
| 16:12.53 | sphenxes | yargo, is it really only a problem in linux |
| 16:12.59 | gravity | sphenxes: Programs require certain versions of libraries because they expect certain features |
| 16:13.10 | gravity | sphenxes: BSD's get around this by making you build everything from scratch |
| 16:13.16 | gravity | sphenxes: Gentoo linux does the same thing |
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| 16:13.35 | gravity | sphenxes: Debian does it by having all the packages in a central repository where they're all known to work properly together |
| 16:13.42 | yargo | sphenxes: nope, all the os's (even windows, arggg mine eyes) shares libraries |
| 16:13.49 | av16ar | good bye |
| 16:13.54 | gravity | sphenxes: This becomes a problem when you have packages outside the repository, but in theory you can build those yourself anyway the same way BSD does |
| 16:14.04 | gravity | sphenxes: But saying BSD has solved this is an outright fallacy |
| 16:14.37 | sphenxes | gravity, yargo thanks |
| 16:15.00 | yargo | sphenxes: Debian's apt does a good job of handling the dependancies for you. Which is nice. |
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| 16:15.39 | Yamaraj | Also, some despise automatic dependency resolution and prefer compiling everything on their own. |
| 16:15.57 | yargo | Yamaraj: your a gentoo spy |
| 16:16.07 | Heston | is there an easy way to verify a burnt dvd or cd against the original iso? I could probably dd the cd/dvd into an iso and then check md5 checksums but that seems like a lot of work. |
| 16:16.10 | Yamaraj | Lol, nope. |
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| 16:17.41 | sphenxes | yargo, last stupid question, why don't i notice this problem in windows (library sharing) |
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| 16:18.21 | Yamaraj | Then you've not heard of "DLL hell", have you? |
| 16:18.25 | Heston | anyone? |
| 16:18.30 | sstainlesmice | no |
| 16:18.38 | yargo | sphenxes: when it goes wrong, things stop working. You'll notice. |
| 16:18.39 | sstainlesmice | no one |
| 16:18.46 | Heston | sstainlesmice, stfu please |
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| 16:18.55 | sstainlesmice | x_x |
| 16:18.58 | sphenxes | Yamaraj, i have only heard about dll but don't know how it works |
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| 16:19.26 | Yamaraj | sphenxes: Google is your friend. |
| 16:19.46 | Bhavesh | dll hell.. been there done that.. sux :) |
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| 16:20.03 | sphenxes | thanks |
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| 16:21.54 | sphenxes | thanks guys i am googling right now, find something in wiki, thanks once more |
| 16:22.53 | sstainlesmice | google+wikipedia is the goldren sheet |
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| 16:23.47 | Eulex | Heston, first run md5sum on the cd/dvd device file, the on the iso file. if the md5 sums match, it was burned correctly. |
| 16:23.47 | The_Exorcist | i google it on yahoo |
| 16:23.51 | The_Exorcist | googled |
| 16:24.25 | sstainlesmice | yahooed |
| 16:24.51 | Heston | Eulex, interesting idea, ill try it, thanks |
| 16:24.51 | yargo | Heston: md5sum myiso.iso; rawread /dev/cdrom | md5sum, compare, from google |
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| 16:25.45 | philth | Okay, Should be an easy question if i installed a package (ircd-hybrid) with dpkg and wish to enable a configure command, is there any way to do that without compiling? |
| 16:26.08 | Eulex | yargo, rawread? you mean cat? anyway, a simple md5sum /dev/cdrom should suffice |
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| 16:26.42 | yargo | Eulex: hey, I just copied it from: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm |
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| 16:27.14 | rbellamy | someone created a /boot partition with only 10MB... is this a safe size if I want to upgrade my kernel? My thinking is: no. So, what are my options for expanding it? |
| 16:27.20 | Heston | i thought hashing a 2.6 gig iso off a harddrive was long... |
| 16:27.20 | Yamaraj | You can also dd in cdrom and out an ISO and then md5sum. |
| 16:27.22 | Eulex | yargo, well, anyway, there's no command named rawread in debian |
| 16:27.40 | Eulex | Heston, yes, it will take some time. |
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| 16:28.18 | Heston | oh, it just finished actually |
| 16:28.24 | Heston | not bad for a dvd read |
| 16:28.46 | Heston | worked too, thanks, i doubt i would of thought of that |
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| 16:29.28 | EvilGuru | how would I install LaTeX on etch, I have tried apt-get install latex but with no success |
| 16:29.57 | Yamaraj | apt-cache search LaTeX |
| 16:30.01 | Eulex | !tell EvilGuru about search |
| 16:30.16 | czr | anyone here with 2.2 or 2.4 kernels? |
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| 16:31.12 | EvilGuru | Eulex: It is not so much that i do not know how to search for it but more so that I do not know what I want/need |
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| 16:31.26 | yargo | Eulex: oh, rawread is the name of the bash script dude has on the site. It seems to do a bunch of error checking and stuff. |
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| 16:31.45 | czr | rawread> |
| 16:31.46 | czr | ? |
| 16:31.55 | yargo | Eulex: tetex |
| 16:32.18 | yargo | oops that was meant for EvilGuru: tetex |
| 16:33.25 | ak70 | is the compiz package complete in sid? |
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| 16:34.03 | nvz | rbellamy: i'd say unmount it and leave boot on your rootfs. 10mb is a bit too small |
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| 16:34.52 | rbellamy | yeah... so just move boot to the rootfs and call it good? |
| 16:34.53 | scud | what is a dir called .reiserfs_priv for? |
| 16:35.08 | rbellamy | nvz: thanks. |
| 16:35.21 | wols | rbellamy: depends if your kernel(s) need an initd. custom kernels usually don't |
| 16:35.31 | rbellamy | not custom |
| 16:35.33 | nvz | rbellamy: you will have to adjust your bootloader and move your kernels |
| 16:35.38 | rbellamy | they're standard... |
| 16:35.40 | rbellamy | ic |
| 16:35.45 | rbellamy | that being grub or lilo |
| 16:35.47 | rbellamy | ? |
| 16:35.59 | wols | grub in sarge by default |
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| 16:36.29 | rbellamy | so it's not quite the rocket science i was afraid of |
| 16:37.04 | owh | Greetings all. How would I go about configuring three identical drives so I can boot of any of them using the BIOS boot selector? |
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| 16:38.05 | sstainlesmice | grub in the BIOS? o.o |
| 16:38.05 | wols | owh: a bootloader which you have to use anyways, would be a better solution |
| 16:38.10 | owh | Some more information may help. I've updated lilo.conf on each of the three drives to make it point to itself. I've updated the fstab in the same way. |
| 16:38.24 | owh | wols: Yeah, but I'm trying to make it continue to work even if the drive is hosed. |
| 16:38.29 | blackelf | where are raid settings saved? is there soemthing like fstab but for raid |
| 16:38.44 | blackelf | what programs to use in debian (stable, testing) to manage raid, mdadm? |
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| 16:39.24 | owh | What I'm seeing is that no matter which drive I boot with, I still end up seeing drive number 1. |
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| 16:39.40 | wols | owh: can the BIOS boot from a slave drive or a 2nd channel harddisk? |
| 16:39.42 | owh | That is, it boots off the correct drive, but mounts the wrong one. |
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| 16:39.52 | Storkme | how can i change the mirrors aptitude uses? (from the command line) |
| 16:39.53 | owh | wols: It tells me that it can. |
| 16:39.54 | wols | you will see any drive |
| 16:40.08 | owh | wols: Huh? |
| 16:40.11 | twobitsprite | mplayer says it is uninstallable... I am running testing with contrib and non-free and I have just done and update... what gives? |
| 16:40.21 | wols | install linux in drive 1. disable it, install it on drive2. disable drive 2 too, install it on drive 3 |
| 16:40.33 | wols | if the BIOS sees a drive, so will your bootloader |
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| 16:40.58 | wols | !tell twobitsprite about marrilat |
| 16:41.18 | wols | with "disable" i mean "disconnect physically |
| 16:41.26 | owh | wols: Well, I've mounted drive 2 whilst running instance 1, chrooted to it, updated lilo.conf and fstab and run lilo, then did the same for drive 3. |
| 16:41.28 | twobitsprite | !marrilat |
| 16:41.34 | wols | !tell twobitsprite about marillat |
| 16:41.36 | wols | twobitsprite: sry |
| 16:41.41 | twobitsprite | heh, thanks :) |
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| 16:41.49 | owh | wols: If I "disable" the drive, by unplugging it, then the drive names change :-( |
| 16:42.05 | yoo | i have a preoblem with xcdroast |
| 16:42.15 | yoo | WARNING **: Failed to access cdrecord. Please check the permissions and ownership of /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 16:42.17 | twobitsprite | testing = sarge, right? |
| 16:42.18 | wols | owh: but that's the only true way. since you can't do it otherwise. in case drive 1 is dead, it is dead |
| 16:42.25 | yoo | i launch xcdroast in root |
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| 16:42.32 | yoo | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2006-09-30 16:59 /usr/bin/cdrecord -> wodim |
| 16:42.38 | Yamaraj | Testing == Etch (currently) |
| 16:42.39 | yoo | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 363924 2006-09-21 14:07 /usr/bin/wodim |
| 16:42.39 | wols | twobitsprite: no. sarge=stable |
| 16:42.41 | owh | wols: So, lilo won't run, because if I disable drive 1, then boot off drive 2, lilo won't see drive 2. |
| 16:42.46 | twobitsprite | ahh |
| 16:42.50 | yoo | What's the problem , |
| 16:42.55 | wols | yoo: what is wodim? |
| 16:42.58 | nvz | wtf is a wodim |
| 16:43.06 | Yamaraj | wodim is cdrecord fork. |
| 16:43.08 | yoo | wols, i don't know |
| 16:43.28 | nvz | someone needs stabbed for that |
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| 16:43.51 | nvz | not even a yinzer would name something like that |
| 16:44.13 | Yamaraj | nvz: Tell Debisn devs thats. They forked cdrecord and yelled at the author for not converting to GPL religion. |
| 16:44.16 | Yamaraj | *Debian |
| 16:44.42 | wols | Yamaraj: do you know schily? the author of cdrecord? |
| 16:44.42 | gravity | Wow... you're a fucktard |
| 16:44.54 | wols | what you says pretty clearly shows you don't |
| 16:44.56 | wols | gravity: ? |
| 16:45.01 | Wyzard | Yamaraj: actually, for refusing to fix certain bugs that occurred with cdrecord on Linux |
| 16:45.18 | owh | wols: Well, I started this whole caper with a raid 1 array on vol 1 & 2, the system died after a month. There was a read error on disk 1 - which did not show up. SMART reports no errors. dd works just fine. System is back up. It made me realise that I still don't trust software RAID. So now I'm attempting to make a "live" backup by keeping clones of the drive around that the user can boot from by pressing F11 during boot and selec |
| 16:45.23 | Yamaraj | gravity: Who's a fucktard? |
| 16:45.26 | gravity | Yamaraj: You are |
| 16:45.32 | gravity | Yamaraj: You clearly have no idea what you're talking about |
| 16:45.46 | Yamaraj | gravity: Just shut up, and mind your tongue. |
| 16:45.53 | nvz | heh |
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| 16:46.03 | gravity | Yamaraj: Forking cdrecord has everything to do with having Debian not distribute illegal code |
| 16:46.16 | Wyzard | Hey, look, a secondary flamewar spun off by the one with schily on the mailing list :-) |
| 16:46.39 | gravity | Yamaraj: Schilling is distributing code that has both CDDL and GPL mixed together. This violates the copyright of those people aside from Schilling who have code under the GPL in cdrrecord |
| 16:46.47 | Storkme | help! i have a broken mirror in aptitude.. what do i do? |
| 16:46.51 | gravity | Yamaraj: So if debian distributes this, it's violating people's copyright |
| 16:46.54 | twobitsprite | wols: alright, thanks :) |
| 16:46.55 | gravity | Yamaraj: This is very bad |
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| 16:47.02 | gravity | Yamaraj: So Debian is forced to fork on this account |
| 16:47.06 | Yamaraj | gravity: I'm not listening to you until you apologize for that rude comment. |
| 16:47.18 | twobitsprite | btw, what is a video format that is not patent encombered? |
| 16:47.20 | owh | Storkme: Have a look at /etc/apt/sources.list, change at your pleasure. |
| 16:47.22 | gravity | Yamaraj: Fine. Remain ignorant. |
| 16:47.24 | twobitsprite | encumbered? |
| 16:47.29 | Storkme | owh, err ok.. |
| 16:47.35 | Storkme | owh, to what? |
| 16:47.37 | Wyzard | twobitsprite: Theora |
| 16:47.45 | Wyzard | twobitsprite: at xiph.org |
| 16:47.47 | owh | Storkme: Another mirror. |
| 16:47.50 | Yamaraj | I'm not playing apologist for Schilling, but throwing flames at me because of that is ridiculous. |
| 16:48.04 | owh | Storkme: It's a text file with URLs in it, pretty straight forward :-) |
| 16:48.10 | gravity | Yamaraj: But accusing the Debian developers the way you did (in #debian no less!) is asinine |
| 16:48.28 | owh | wols? |
| 16:48.30 | gravity | Yamaraj: If you want to act hurt like you've done nothing wrong, then be my guest. |
| 16:48.36 | Storkme | owh, what to? |
| 16:48.37 | Yamaraj | gravity: I was accusing Debian devs for a bad fork "name", not for forking the cdrecord. Read my post again. |
| 16:48.41 | twobitsprite | Wyzard: right on... what do you think the chances are of it catching on? is it as efficient as other formats? |
| 16:48.59 | gravity | Yamaraj: < Yamaraj> nvz: Tell Debisn devs thats. They forked cdrecord and yelled |
| 16:49.03 | gravity | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.15 | gravity | "not converting to GPL religion" is obviously a dig at the DD's |
| 16:49.20 | gravity | And clearly wrong |
| 16:49.21 | tarzeau | GPL is not a religion |
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| 16:49.34 | Yamaraj | gravity: "nvz: not even a yinzer would name something like that" < That was before my post. |
| 16:49.38 | owh | Storkme: Hey, you came here telling us that you have a broken mirror. I'm telling you how to fix it. If you don't understand that, then the error you're reporting here is possibly not what you think it is. Try again. What are you doing and what is going wrong? |
| 16:49.43 | Yamaraj | You're misquoting me. |
| 16:49.53 | gravity | Dude, I pasted your exact words |
| 16:49.57 | gravity | How can I misquote you? |
| 16:49.57 | Wyzard | twobitsprite: It's unlikely to become mainstream... most likely it'll be about as well-supported as the Vorbis audio codec (which is developed by the same organization) |
| 16:50.05 | Bhavesh | nvz: is it working? :) i didn't think so :) |
| 16:50.20 | Yamaraj | gravity: Because you ignored the post to which I replied. |
| 16:50.24 | grzyw | There's problem in sid with some x packages, xserver is unable to find 'fixed' font and fails to start. |
| 16:50.25 | Storkme | owh, well i'm using netselect-apt to get net mirrors.. but it didn't seem to remove the old ones |
| 16:50.26 | Yamaraj | You ignored the "context". |
| 16:50.29 | grzyw | Any clues how to solve this? |
| 16:50.30 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: but GPL is not a religion |
| 16:50.36 | gravity | Whatever |
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| 16:50.45 | Yamaraj | tarzeau: RMS thinks it is. |
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| 16:50.51 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: no he doesn't |
| 16:50.58 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: stop telling bullshit |
| 16:51.02 | owh | Storkme: Well, open the file I indicated, add a "#" in front of the one you don't want and it will go away :-) |
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| 16:51.05 | Bhavesh | grzyw: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 16:51.07 | Yamaraj | gravity: Not so easy. You can politely say "sorry" for calling me that. |
| 16:51.14 | grzyw | Hm. |
| 16:51.15 | gravity | Yamaraj: I can also tell you "fuck off" |
| 16:51.19 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | Yamaraj is full of shit. |
| 16:51.31 | Yamaraj | Wow! Band of brothers. |
| 16:51.32 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | Fuck off Yamaraj. |
| 16:51.42 | nvz | Alex_Jones_Rocks: cool it cheese wiz |
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| 16:52.11 | Yamaraj | If GNU/GPL is not a religion, why the followers get so agitated and arrogant? |
| 16:52.15 | twobitsprite | Wyzard: what a shame |
| 16:52.27 | sep | Yamaraj, well what do you expect when you come in with that holier then thay attitude and speacks FUD about a case it's very obvious you havent thought thru |
| 16:52.27 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: look it's not a religion |
| 16:52.41 | Yamaraj | It's not that I don't praise RMS and GNU/GPL, but I'm not blind enough to accept whatever thrown at me. |
| 16:52.46 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: if there's a lot of people, there's always some being agitated, or/and arrogant |
| 16:52.49 | owh | s/calamity/clamour/ |
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| 16:52.54 | twobitsprite | Yamaraj: for the same reason Ford people always ridicule Chevy people, and vice versa... that doesn't make it a "religion"... |
| 16:52.54 | Yamaraj | By that definition, Linus is "full of shit" too? |
| 16:52.55 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: no matter what group of people you take |
| 16:53.10 | grzyw | Bhavesh: nope, to solution proposed there doesn't work. |
| 16:53.30 | Bhavesh | grzyw: you mean forced removal of base fonts package and reinstalling it? |
| 16:53.34 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | Linus is interested in popularity. Many people don't respect him for that. |
| 16:53.36 | EvilGuru | on debian where do the teTex packages 'live'/reside |
| 16:53.37 | grzyw | Bhavesh: yes. |
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| 16:53.51 | grzyw | Bhavesh: I do updates fairly often and it's broken recently. |
| 16:53.54 | tarzeau | EvilGuru: on debian you can check with dpkg -L packagename |
| 16:54.04 | Yamaraj | Alex_Jones_Rocks: Linus need popularity? You're on cracks or what? |
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| 16:54.11 | Bhavesh | grzyw: sorry i don't know how to fix it then.. i had the same problem but that was small compare to other so i reinstalled debian |
| 16:54.21 | grzyw | lol, ok ;) |
| 16:54.35 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | Yamaraj Are _you_ on crack? Linus said he wouldn't embrace the current draft of GPLv3 because hardware venders couldn't enforce DRM. |
| 16:54.38 | nvz | Layla, get back in your cell! dont make me get the hose! |
| 16:54.41 | EvilGuru | tarzeau: I wish to install a package I downloaded (load of Tex files) and want to know where to dump it do that texhash will find it |
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| 16:55.01 | twobitsprite | Alex_Jones_Rocks: where did you read that? ther's very interesting |
| 16:55.03 | Yamaraj | Alex_Jones_Rocks: He is free not to accept GPLv3. |
| 16:55.04 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | Such as Tivo. |
| 16:55.10 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | He is free not to accept it. |
| 16:55.15 | Yamaraj | Yes |
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| 16:55.19 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | & he is free to be more interested in popularity. |
| 16:55.30 | Yamaraj | You don't say that. |
| 16:55.34 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | I just did? |
| 16:55.44 | Bhavesh | grzyw: sorry i can't help you |
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| 16:56.17 | Wyzard | hmm, this is weird... the "up" on my mouse's scrollwheel generates a ButtonPress of button 2, a ButtonPress of button 3, ButtonPress of button 4, and a ButtonRelease of button 4 |
| 16:56.25 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | twobitsprite, Google Linux kernel developers gplv3 etc look for quotes by Linus. |
| 16:56.39 | grzyw | Anyone else with up to date sid willing to help me? ;-) |
| 16:56.42 | Bhavesh | Wyzard: congrats.. how'd you manager to dhtat? :) |
| 16:56.43 | Yamaraj | Why does it irate you if Linus isn't ready for GPL3? |
| 16:56.47 | tarzeau | grzyw: about what? |
| 16:57.05 | grzyw | tarzeau: X fails to start. "unable to find default font 'fixed'" |
| 16:57.08 | twobitsprite | hmm... so I apt-got mozilla-mplayer, but firefox is still using kaffeine... how do I fix this? |
| 16:57.11 | tarzeau | !fixed |
| 16:57.11 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 16:57.13 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | Yamaraj, Are you a neocon by chance? |
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| 16:57.48 | Wyzard | Bhavesh: I'm not really sure... I built a new kernel last night and rebooted to use it, but there weren't any significant changes in that |
| 16:57.49 | grzyw | fontfix? |
| 16:57.56 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | Yamaraj, Scroll up and see where you brought up Linus. |
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| 16:58.04 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | Then you'll know why I mentioned that. |
| 16:58.12 | twobitsprite | Alex_Jones_Rocks: lol... sounds like you watch to much alex jones |
| 16:58.20 | Yamaraj | Heh! |
| 16:58.39 | grzyw | tarzeau: the problem is I can't find the root of the problem. I have font.alias files, tried regenerating them, font paths are OK, tried reinstalling xfonts-base... |
| 16:58.48 | Wyzard | Let's see if an X restart fixes this |
| 16:58.53 | grzyw | And it worked a few days ago. 8) |
| 16:58.55 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 16:58.55 | dpkg | sid faq is, like, http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 16:59.18 | twobitsprite | anyone know how I can get firefox to use the mplayer plugin? |
| 16:59.30 | Yamaraj | Why are people so defensive and protective when it comes to RMS and GNU/GPL? This behaviour alone proves my point of its being a religion, and RMS a prophet. |
| 16:59.37 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | twobitsprite, Do you even know who that is? |
| 16:59.44 | twobitsprite | Alex_Jones_Rocks: yes |
| 17:00.11 | twobitsprite | Alex_Jones_Rocks: runs prisonplanet and infowars, etc |
| 17:00.14 | Yamaraj | GPL3 isn't going to be as successful as v2. A *lot* of developers and almost all kernel developers disagree with v3 draft. |
| 17:00.18 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: bullshit |
| 17:00.18 | twobitsprite | real wacko |
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| 17:00.35 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: and it's GNU GPL not GNU/GPL |
| 17:00.35 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | twobitsprite, Yeup. How'd you come to that though? |
| 17:00.35 | grzyw | Ok, I'm going to report it, then. :P |
| 17:00.35 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: it's NOT a religion. go look religion up in dict |
| 17:00.46 | Wyzard | no luck... this is pretty weird |
| 17:00.52 | twobitsprite | Alex_Jones_Rocks: that he's a wacko? two words: floride obsession |
| 17:00.54 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: because people like it and you critizise it without arguments? |
| 17:00.56 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | Yamaraj, Because when someone says something so stupid I guess people feel they need to address it. |
| 17:01.28 | Yamaraj | tarzeau: No, because people feel insecure being attacked. |
| 17:01.33 | twobitsprite | Alex_Jones_Rocks: he's got this whole thing about how the "mega-elite" are searching for the fountain of youth and are using floride as some kind of social control experiment, etc... really off the wall stuff |
| 17:01.35 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | twobitsprite, He is over the top but almost everything he says he cites in mainstream news articles and government documents. Which I took the time to read.. |
| 17:01.37 | blackelf | how to set the xorg driver |
| 17:01.54 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | twobitsprite, That's news to me. |
| 17:02.05 | stoned | eh |
| 17:02.11 | stoned | is YaamRaaj |
| 17:02.18 | stoned | not Yamaraj |
| 17:02.18 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | twobitsprite, That sounds like disinformation but if you have something to show me I will look at it. |
| 17:02.22 | Yamaraj | tarzeau: Religion - "4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith." |
| 17:02.27 | blackelf | what to reconfigure t os4t drivewr for xorg? |
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| 17:02.41 | xingu | tarzeau: he'd be better off looking up 'strawman' than religion |
| 17:02.43 | twobitsprite | Alex_Jones_Rocks: well... he spins them way out of proportions... i.e. he adheres to the no-planes theory of the 9/11 pentagon strike... now don't get me wrong, I believe 9/11 was an inside job, the Alex Jones is a straw man for the neocons who set him up to make a bad name for the rest of the 9/11 truth movement |
| 17:03.00 | Yamaraj | stoned: "Your" language? |
| 17:03.08 | twobitsprite | Alex_Jones_Rocks: I saw him talking about the floride thing on one of this movies |
| 17:03.09 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | twobitsprite, I've seen what he's done and he's done good for them. |
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| 17:03.22 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | twobitsprite, I'll look into it. |
| 17:04.11 | twobitsprite | Alex_Jones_Rocks: no way... the majority of people see Alex Jones as the leader of the truth movement, and find him to be some cook that needs to be on meds or locked up, so most people think the rest of the truth movement is like him and disregard it altogether |
| 17:04.26 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | twobitsprite, I doubt that. |
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| 17:04.58 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | twobitsprite, I've seen him on CSPAN, his film terrorstorm, his radio show, he does too much bad to them to be helping the neocons. |
| 17:05.00 | Yamaraj | Whoa! Taking stance against a unilateral decision is now labeled as "Debian bashing". Mind you, I'm a Debian user myself. |
| 17:05.03 | xingu | gravity: troll school part one, continue making baseless assertions over emotive issues until someone bites |
| 17:05.22 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: i'm not feeling insecure |
| 17:05.46 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | Yamaraj, If you did make the point that Stallman is leading a religion and that the GNU project and GPL are it, what would you be accomplishing? |
| 17:05.50 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: you were bashing GNU GPL, not Debian, weren't you? |
| 17:05.51 | Yamaraj | cydork: Bashing an alleged Debian basher. |
| 17:06.00 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: you'd be better in #gnu for the gnu gpl bashing |
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| 17:06.13 | Yamaraj | I'm not bashing anything. |
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| 17:06.49 | Yamaraj | Alex_Jones_Rocks: That the followers are stupid enough to not have an ounce of brain. |
| 17:06.58 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: you're telling GNU GPL is a religion |
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| 17:07.11 | tarzeau | i'd call that trolling |
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| 17:07.17 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | Yamaraj, If that were true, then explain to me how the Debian project, the GNU project, Ubuntu, Gentoo, are so good? |
| 17:07.24 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | Yamaraj, You just bashed Debian. |
| 17:07.36 | Yamaraj | tarzeau: You told me to look up in a dict and I posted the results. You probably missed it - "tarzeau: Religion - "4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith."" |
| 17:07.40 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: wait wait, who says the Ubuntu and Gentoo projects are so good? they are NOT |
| 17:07.53 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: no i've seen that, and i ignored it |
| 17:08.09 | Yamaraj | Because it wasn't in accordance with you? |
| 17:08.11 | syrion | Hey guys. I'm trying to install debian-multimedia and I am getting errors from aptitude using their provided sources.list entries. Is anyone else having this problem, and, if not, what can I do to fix it? |
| 17:08.12 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | tarzeau, Ubuntu is good. It has Debian to thank for it. You can't expect your average idiot to use Debian. |
| 17:08.21 | twobitsprite | Alex_Jones_Rocks: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_911.html |
| 17:08.24 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | tarzeau, Gentoo is good, if used properly. |
| 17:08.34 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: i can't expect my average idiot to use Ubuntu either |
| 17:08.34 | cydork | Alex_Jones_Rocks, define good |
| 17:08.40 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: i swear! |
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| 17:08.47 | twobitsprite | Alex_Jones_Rocks: whatreallyhappened.com has a lot of good articles on 9/11, especially on the silly "no-planes" theories |
| 17:08.52 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: gentoo is not good. it lacks quality |
| 17:08.54 | syrion | Actually, tarzeau, Ubuntu is designed to be an install-and-leave-it-alone OS |
| 17:09.00 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | tarzeau, Much easier for them than Debian though. What do you have against Ubuntu? |
| 17:09.01 | tarzeau | syrion: well it doesn't work |
| 17:09.06 | tarzeau | syrion: it's very buggy |
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| 17:09.12 | syrion | Heh, no debate here: I don't use ubuntu, I use debian :) |
| 17:09.31 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks, syrion really go say in #ubuntu that it's so good |
| 17:09.37 | tarzeau | it's very annoying here |
| 17:09.59 | sussudio | Sep 30 19:08:03 router proftpd[30871]: router (10.10.10.3[10.10.10.3]) - mod_delay/0.4: delaying for 148818550 usecs |
| 17:10.02 | sussudio | ... |
| 17:10.15 | sussudio | %fist proftpd |
| 17:10.16 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | tarzeau, For those that want the "bleeding edge" Gentoo's portage is very useful. |
| 17:10.19 | syrion | So, debian-multimedia. Is its failure to work my fault, or theirs? |
| 17:10.30 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | Would I use Gentoo on a production server? Hell no. |
| 17:10.30 | odla | Alex_Jones_Rocks, so is sid :p |
| 17:10.32 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: bullshit |
| 17:10.33 | Yamaraj | A religion, IMHO, is a mindless following and blind faith in a finite set of ideas and rules. By this definition, GNU is not an exception. That was my point. If RMS is godlike to you, and whatever he says or does is to be followed and defended, then he is a prophet as well. |
| 17:10.36 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: that's not even half the truth |
| 17:10.59 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: for one they lack alot of software, see io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ for stats and bring me numbers about gentoo |
| 17:11.02 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | Yamaraj Maybe RMS just happens to be so right? |
| 17:11.17 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: then, how can debian not provide bleeding edge? or freebsd? |
| 17:11.24 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: much better so than gentoo |
| 17:11.31 | syrion | seems that way, RobHu |
| 17:11.33 | sussudio | %test |
| 17:11.41 | badgers | No, sussudio, you're not online any more. |
| 17:11.41 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | tarzeau, Dude you include the overlays? |
| 17:11.41 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: all that makes gentoo just so medium |
| 17:11.41 | syrion | we came at the wrong time. |
| 17:11.42 | Yamaraj | Alex_Jones_Rocks: I don't think so. Though, I do respect him a lot for whatever "positive" he has done. |
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| 17:11.46 | odla | RobHu, what's you question? |
| 17:11.50 | RobHu | odla: :-) |
| 17:11.52 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: dude, don't call me dude, and be more verbose. i'm not a mind reader. what overlays are you babbling about? |
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| 17:11.54 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | Yamaraj "whatever"? |
| 17:12.07 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | tarzeau, Did* |
| 17:12.11 | Yamaraj | Alex_Jones_Rocks: Emacs, GCC etc. |
| 17:12.24 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | tarzeau, Ah. So you don't even know about the overlays and you say Gentoo provides less. |
| 17:12.29 | Yamaraj | And Linux flourished because of GNU, no doubt about it. |
| 17:12.30 | RobHu | odla: If I have a new debian system in /mnt/foo how can I apt-get update it? I want to do this in one line (e.g. I could chroot /mnt/foo then apt-get update) because I'll be running this as a command from a ruby script |
| 17:12.44 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: explain me. not my problem when gentoo invents new names for things that existed long before them |
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| 17:13.00 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: i will not learn some language created by kids |
| 17:13.07 | odla | RobHu, could you chroot /mnt/foo && apt-get update ? |
| 17:13.49 | RobHu | odla: Tried that :-) It just resulted in taking me to a bash shell (rather than running the apt-get update) |
| 17:13.50 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | tarzeau, Same as extra repositories for Debian, works differently though, so it has a different name. |
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| 17:14.07 | odla | i don't know :/ |
| 17:14.23 | RobHu | odla: It does than from the CLI too - gives you a bash shell, then when you exit it it runs the apt-get update when you're not chrooted |
| 17:14.28 | RobHu | Help plz :-) |
| 17:14.47 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: YUCK |
| 17:14.52 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: ARE YOU ON FUCKING DRUGS? |
| 17:14.54 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | tarzeau, Are you saying that those behind the Gentoo and Ubuntu projects have no brains? |
| 17:14.59 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: yes |
| 17:15.07 | tarzeau | basically i'm saying exactly that |
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| 17:15.10 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | tarzeau, Are you a Debian dev? |
| 17:15.17 | NN2 | hi |
| 17:15.20 | Yamaraj | Haha |
| 17:15.25 | tarzeau | because i'm too lazy to discuss with you about something you absolutely miss the point for |
| 17:15.29 | syrion | hi, NN2, and welcome to Debian-flamewar |
| 17:15.32 | RobHu | Alex_Jones_Rocks: If you think Gentoo > Debian why not go to #gentoo and get out of here? |
| 17:15.33 | tarzeau | DaBlade: weekend :) |
| 17:15.37 | DaBlade | tarzeau: Haha |
| 17:15.39 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: no i'm not a debian dev |
| 17:15.41 | odla | RobHu, so you chroot into /mnt/foo and can't run apt-get update? are you root after you chroot? |
| 17:15.44 | DaBlade | tarzeau: What, specifically, is going on? :P |
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| 17:15.47 | NN2 | what is the latest subject |
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| 17:15.54 | gravity | Dude, gentoo is fine |
| 17:15.55 | tarzeau | DaBlade: someone calls GNU GPL a religion |
| 17:15.56 | benjamindees | where can I find the module options for the pm2fb module? |
| 17:16.01 | gravity | I don't use it, but it's fine. |
| 17:16.04 | tarzeau | DaBlade: someone else says gentoo and ubuntu are SO GOOD. in #debian |
| 17:16.07 | tarzeau | DaBlade: HILARIOUS |
| 17:16.14 | RobHu | odla: oh no, thats fine. chroot /mnt/foo && apt-get upgrade does the chroot and gives you a prompt - it doesnt run the apt-get update until you exit out of the chroot |
| 17:16.17 | DaBlade | And I say this: |
| 17:16.18 | syrion | Can anyone answer my question about debian-multimedia, or tell me somewhere to go where they might? |
| 17:16.19 | NN2 | lol |
| 17:16.19 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | tarzeau, then, shut the hell up. |
| 17:16.23 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: fuck off |
| 17:16.32 | odla | RobHu, that's wierd |
| 17:16.34 | DaBlade | Everyone needs to calm down. Now. Or else I'll eShoot you. :) |
| 17:16.39 | goldsmurf | arm wrestle! |
| 17:16.41 | NN2 | ubunto is to gui mixed up |
| 17:16.42 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | tarzeau, Make me. |
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| 17:16.54 | gravity | Yeah, this has gotten way out of hand. I shouldn't speak up any more. |
| 17:17.02 | Bhavesh | DaBlade: lemme know so i duck! :) |
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| 17:17.06 | odla | gravity, aren't you an op :D |
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| 17:17.10 | Yamaraj | Everybody just fucks everybody else in here. I'll just step aside and stay away from the orgy. |
| 17:17.13 | gravity | I am |
| 17:17.18 | NN2 | it is literally inposable to config anything |
| 17:17.36 | NN2 | i prefer debian |
| 17:17.37 | benjamindees | !weekend |
| 17:17.38 | dpkg | i heard weekend is the time you can actually code without feeling remorses :) |
| 17:17.46 | RobHu | I don't mind heated discussions but I think this kind of stuff will scare people away from the Debian project, and perhaps should be in a different channel #flame or something |
| 17:17.46 | benjamindees | !saturday |
| 17:17.46 | dpkg | from memory, saturday is Tardsday Eve |
| 17:18.25 | tarzeau | RobHu: usually trolls get removed in here, and it wouldn't get this far |
| 17:18.32 | enraged | what was the discussion 'bout? |
| 17:18.34 | tarzeau | RobHu: but that changed when gerycat left |
| 17:18.46 | tarzeau | enraged: GPL being a religion and Ubuntu/Gentoo being so good |
| 17:18.54 | tarzeau | greycat, even |
| 17:18.58 | enraged | i see |
| 17:19.09 | enraged | usual topics |
| 17:19.13 | odla | enraged, same stuff different day |
| 17:19.13 | RobHu | tarzeau: Are there not other ops? |
| 17:19.18 | tarzeau | RobHu: do i care? |
| 17:19.21 | benjamindees | how about how to set RGB weight manually in XFree86? |
| 17:19.39 | tarzeau | benjamindees: the gamma setting? |
| 17:19.54 | tarzeau | RobHu: there's the !ops command |
| 17:19.55 | benjamindees | tarzeau, is that the same thing? |
| 17:20.04 | tarzeau | benjamindees: i'm not sure what weight you mean |
| 17:20.15 | syrion | I think he means color correction curves |
| 17:20.26 | tarzeau | benjamindees: i don't know of such thing, but i know you can calibrate gamma (using most x video drivers, not all) |
| 17:20.36 | benjamindees | whatever it means when it says "RGB weight" in the log output |
| 17:20.45 | benjamindees | or "RGB weight is invalid" |
| 17:20.55 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | tarzeau, What's your opinion on OpenBSD? |
| 17:21.13 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: none of your business, and off topic here |
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| 17:21.33 | syrion | benjamindees: if it's color curves you can set individual color gamma with the -rgamma, -ggamma, and -bgamma arguments to xorg |
| 17:21.41 | Assid | hey |
| 17:21.47 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | tarzeau, What's your opinion on Debian/ |
| 17:21.51 | Assid | man, im having some weird synching issues |
| 17:21.55 | syrion | hi, Assid |
| 17:22.00 | benjamindees | something tells me xorg is going to have even less support for my video card |
| 17:22.06 | gravity | Alex_Jones_Rocks: If you want to have distro fights, please take them elsewhere. Advocacy is off-topic here. |
| 17:22.09 | tarzeau | Alex_Jones_Rocks: i don't feel like talking about my personal opinion on Debian with you |
| 17:22.12 | Assid | all of a sudden it says files arent found (when im compiling certain things from source) and then all of a sudden it works |
| 17:22.30 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | gravity, No fighting. |
| 17:22.30 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 17:22.30 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 17:22.30 | syrion | Oh, here we go, benjamindees---you can do "-weight" as an argument to xorg |
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| 17:22.45 | Assid | any clue whats happening |
| 17:22.58 | Assid | and now i cant compile php on this box |
| 17:23.15 | nvz | syrion: he's using xfree86 |
| 17:23.23 | syrion | yeah yeah I don't need no stinking logic |
| 17:23.32 | syrion | logic is for losers |
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| 17:23.45 | nvz | flw? |
| 17:23.55 | NNaway | ug the other java thing nocked me out |
| 17:24.32 | NNaway | ok |
| 17:24.53 | Assid | this is weird |
| 17:25.05 | Assid | i cant install compiled stuff here |
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| 17:25.42 | NNaway | how do i fix exim to ACTALLY alow me to send email from mutt or any other server. |
| 17:25.59 | NNaway | ** not server but computer |
| 17:26.26 | Assid | okay any clue why this is losing data ? |
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| 17:26.48 | benjamindees | syrion, tarzeau, thank you for your help |
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| 17:27.03 | syrion | My apologies if it's not applicable benjamindees |
| 17:27.20 | benjamindees | no actually it's helpful |
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| 17:27.34 | syrion | NOw, I wonder if anyone can answer my debian-multimedia question ;) |
| 17:29.42 | benjamindees | can you repeat it? |
| 17:29.56 | NNaway | what is the remix channel |
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| 17:30.03 | NNaway | called |
| 17:30.07 | qamar | Will firefox be renamed to FoxFire lol? |
| 17:30.22 | gravity | It's looking more like we'll be calling it iceweasel |
| 17:30.44 | qamar | why iceweasel |
| 17:30.46 | benjamindees | are they still on that trademark bullshit? |
| 17:30.50 | syrion | Well, I was trying to install d-m, and I used their sources.list entry |
| 17:30.56 | gravity | It's a valid concern |
| 17:30.56 | tarzeau | qamar: or get removed completely? |
| 17:30.57 | syrion | but no matter how I modify it it gives me sourcing errors |
| 17:31.07 | syrion | I have tried four or five mirrors as well as the main repository. |
| 17:31.17 | gravity | I wish mozilla was looser about it, but if they want to protect their mark it's their decision and I don't think they can really be faulted for it |
| 17:31.25 | qamar | tarzeau: and ship lynx as default browser? |
| 17:31.38 | NNaway | My server case is abslootly mini and I cant wate to get a newone |
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| 17:31.40 | tarzeau | qamar: or links2 |
| 17:31.46 | qamar | tarzeau: ok |
| 17:31.54 | qamar | |-: |
| 17:32.47 | nvz | iceweasel.. heh |
| 17:32.52 | nvz | that would be amusing |
| 17:32.53 | Yamaraj | Mozilla has the right to protect their trademark, and Debian has the right to rename and not call it Firefox, which they're exercising as well. |
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| 17:33.03 | Yamaraj | What will Thunderbird be called? |
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| 17:33.15 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: Turdbird |
| 17:33.29 | rohan | hi all |
| 17:33.32 | rohan | tarzeau: LOL |
| 17:33.34 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.54 | Yamaraj | tarzeau: Got a turd fetish? Get over it! |
| 17:34.14 | Yamaraj | Alex_Jones_Rocks: It's because of the patches that this problem exists. |
| 17:34.18 | nvz | got feces? |
| 17:34.26 | Yamaraj | Eww! |
| 17:34.32 | syrion | rename them "Web Browser" and "Newsfeed Mangler" |
| 17:34.36 | twobitsprite | I have a program trying to compile something, and it complains that version.h is not in my kernel sources... says I need to compile my kernel... well, I don't need to completely compile it, what are the minimum steps to get my version.h? |
| 17:34.45 | tarzeau | syrion: these names are too generic |
| 17:34.47 | nvz | and cheney bent over |
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| 17:35.06 | simonrvn | that would definitely be a wmd |
| 17:35.10 | zOrK | what are the differences between Etch and Sarge? |
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| 17:35.21 | tarzeau | zOrK: alot of software updates |
| 17:35.21 | benjamindees | so what's wrong with "firefox community edition" or "debian-firefox" ? |
| 17:35.25 | syrion | okay, how about "Definitely not FireFox" and "The Penultimate Boss of Zelda 2"? |
| 17:35.30 | Yamaraj | Alex_Jones_Rocks: Google for more info. Mozilla wants everyone to submit any patches to them. |
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| 17:36.04 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: even if not published but only used for personal use? |
| 17:36.05 | zOrK | ok |
| 17:36.09 | benjamindees | the patches are available; fucking whiners |
| 17:36.13 | zOrK | ?? sources |
| 17:36.21 | tarzeau | benjamindees: but they want them sent to them |
| 17:36.27 | benjamindees | tarzeau, fuck them |
| 17:36.27 | Yamaraj | tarzeau: Yes, otherwise you cannot call it Firefox. |
| 17:36.28 | tarzeau | benjamindees: like graphviz used to want it |
| 17:36.32 | zOrK | tarzeau, what's the lastest? |
| 17:36.42 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: i see, but i don't think that's free software anymore |
| 17:36.52 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: but they've always had a hang for a strange own license |
| 17:36.57 | Yamaraj | tarzeau: There is a reason Mozilla has their own license. |
| 17:37.04 | tarzeau | !lastest |
| 17:37.05 | Yamaraj | Exactly. |
| 17:37.05 | blackelf | lol |
| 17:37.09 | syrion | actually, you know |
| 17:37.15 | syrion | you could just go back to calling it Phoenix and Quetzacoatl |
| 17:37.16 | tarzeau | zOrK: i don't know, last or latest? |
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| 17:37.45 | zOrK | which one have the lastest software |
| 17:37.49 | zOrK | the lastest releases |
| 17:37.52 | tarzeau | zOrK: sid |
| 17:37.56 | zOrK | nono |
| 17:37.57 | tarzeau | and experimental |
| 17:37.58 | zOrK | besides sid |
| 17:38.02 | tarzeau | testing |
| 17:38.03 | rohan | zOrK: etch |
| 17:38.05 | simonrvn | etch |
| 17:38.11 | zOrK | between Etch , sarge, and testing |
| 17:38.12 | tarzeau | i'd never run testing |
| 17:38.20 | twobitsprite | tarzeau: why not? |
| 17:38.20 | gravity | zOrK: Etch is testing |
| 17:38.22 | tarzeau | zOrK: etch is currently testing |
| 17:38.23 | zOrK | it is for a server :P |
| 17:38.24 | gravity | Right now anyway |
| 17:38.25 | zOrK | ok |
| 17:38.25 | benjamindees | "The Firefox logo is trademarked, so Debian doesn't consider it to be Free and will not include it as part of its distribution. Mozilla claims that using the Firefox name without the official branding is a trademark violation." |
| 17:38.30 | benjamindees | what a tard fight |
| 17:38.31 | zOrK | thanks you! |
| 17:38.38 | tarzeau | twobitsprite: why not what? |
| 17:38.53 | zOrK | lool |
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| 17:39.01 | twobitsprite | tarzeau: why not use testing? |
| 17:39.01 | simonrvn | picky are they... |
| 17:39.01 | tarzeau | benjamindees: i find this correct |
| 17:39.09 | nvz | meh, tards fight too I guess |
| 17:39.17 | zOrK | yeah, to keep the free software rights |
| 17:39.18 | tarzeau | benjamindees: but i'm sure debian will back off |
| 17:39.24 | nvz | would make a good pay per view |
| 17:39.27 | tarzeau | benjamindees: and do everything to not drop firefox |
| 17:39.34 | tarzeau | twobitsprite: because it's too buggy |
| 17:39.35 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | When GDM loads, my screen puts itself in sleep mode. |
| 17:39.39 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Help |
| 17:39.42 | qamar | who can they sue anyway :p? |
| 17:39.44 | twobitsprite | simonrvn: yeah... that is one of the irritating things about debian... the tend to use their OS as a sort of mini-protest/boycott of anything that is copyrighted or patented |
| 17:39.44 | tarzeau | twobitsprite: i've only had problems with it |
| 17:39.59 | twobitsprite | tarzeau: I've been running it for about a month now, and it seems to work great |
| 17:39.59 | tarzeau | twobitsprite: bullshit |
| 17:40.16 | tarzeau | twobitsprite: it's nothing about mini protests or boycotts |
| 17:40.21 | benjamindees | twobitsprite, welcome to free software; go read the GPL |
| 17:40.23 | tarzeau | twobitsprite: it's just all about being nitpicking about DFSG |
| 17:40.25 | gravity | twobitsprite: Debian tends to ignore patents unless they're being actively enforced actually |
| 17:40.34 | twobitsprite | gravity: really? |
| 17:40.35 | gravity | twobitsprite: As for copyrights... everything in Debian *is* copyrighted |
| 17:40.38 | tarzeau | gravity: wrong |
| 17:40.43 | gravity | twobitsprite: Really. Why do you think you can play mp3's out of the box? |
| 17:40.47 | tarzeau | gravity: there's no clear line what they do |
| 17:40.48 | gravity | tarzeau: Example? |
| 17:40.50 | twobitsprite | gravity: well... copyrighted and not "open" |
| 17:40.51 | gravity | tarzeau: "tends to" |
| 17:40.58 | gravity | tarzeau: As in, most frequently this is the accepted case |
| 17:41.05 | tarzeau | gravity: no it's not |
| 17:41.10 | Yamaraj | "Debian" itself is a trademark, and they do protect it. |
| 17:41.14 | tarzeau | gravity: there's exceptions and it's very very inconsistent |
| 17:41.15 | gravity | twobitsprite: If it's copyrighted and Debian can't use it, then it can't be legally used |
| 17:41.18 | gravity | tarzeau: example? |
| 17:41.23 | tarzeau | twobitsprite: haha, a month |
| 17:41.33 | tarzeau | gravity: ffmpeg ? firefox/mozilla (see their license)? |
| 17:41.40 | tarzeau | gravity: see the gif, mp3 things |
| 17:42.00 | gravity | Most of the time, patents are ignored. In some cases they're not. |
| 17:42.10 | twobitsprite | I seem to remember having to do something funny to get mp3's to play |
| 17:42.12 | gravity | This is how people talk about it on -legal, and how the ftpmasters talk about it publicly. |
| 17:42.20 | gravity | twobitsprite: That would be some other distro |
| 17:42.24 | rohan | twobitsprite: not on debian ! |
| 17:42.29 | twobitsprite | maybe not |
| 17:42.34 | Yamaraj | If I cannot fork Debian, change a few things here and there and still be able to call it "Debian", Mozilla doesn't deserve the bashing. |
| 17:42.35 | twobitsprite | I might be thinking of mpeg |
| 17:42.37 | gravity | Unless you had a generic sound problem |
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| 17:43.00 | syrion_ | stupid internet problems. |
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| 17:43.12 | syrion_ | so, as I said: why include thunderbird? |
| 17:43.16 | nvz | syrion_: fire the ISP? |
| 17:43.35 | syrion_ | I would, but I live in the boonies and have few options for DSL. |
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| 17:43.58 | nvz | my isp is good to me. I only had one incident so far and power was out to most of the town so I let that one slide their hands were tied |
| 17:44.44 | nvz | they would pull up generators and isolate a problem if they could |
| 17:45.58 | Bhavesh | nvz: i heard bad things about adelphia in this area |
| 17:46.02 | nvz | gotta love it when the power is out to half your neighbors and you got your ISP truck outside running your node off their power supply and you are online while your neighbors are in the dark |
| 17:46.36 | benjamindees | "The way this works (and the way Red Hat and Novell have already gone through the process for 1.0 and 1.5) is that you have to submit patches that deviate from the source tarballs in order to continue to use the trademark," Connor wrote. |
| 17:46.41 | NNaway | my frend has never heard of irc! |
| 17:46.44 | nvz | didnt happen that way last time cause the disruption of power was too widespread my street was like the only one that didnt loose power |
| 17:46.46 | jetscreamer | what is irc |
| 17:47.04 | rohan | !tell jetscreamer about irc |
| 17:47.04 | pipeline | jetscreamer: A haven for sociopaths and nerds. |
| 17:47.16 | benjamindees | and those exist; I'll setup a cron job to e-mail them to Mozilla |
| 17:47.18 | pipeline | The way I see it, losing the firefox trademark use is no great sacrifice. |
| 17:47.22 | pipeline | "iceweasel" is a much better name. |
| 17:47.25 | NNaway | and a nother had never heard of tarball! |
| 17:47.35 | pipeline | Not to mention, firefox blows donkey schlong. Better off with the Mozilla suite to begin with :) |
| 17:47.37 | jetscreamer | oh i thought it mean i'm really cool |
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| 17:47.52 | Yamaraj | Or, SeaMonkey. |
| 17:47.54 | rohan | jetscreamer: lol |
| 17:47.59 | nvz | Bhavesh: they are faster and more reliable than comcast I had it Pittsburgh or that other cable company that begins with a C in the midwest.. I cant for the life of me think of right now |
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| 17:48.12 | nvz | Bhavesh: comcast is taking over though |
| 17:48.19 | jetscreamer | actually i held that opinion, about ff and moz... but i like the latest in sid better than moz |
| 17:48.22 | amphi | NNaway: most people haven't heard of irc or tarballs |
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| 17:48.25 | NNaway | i think they would have run in to one some time or another considering there are somany of them |
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| 17:48.37 | pipeline | nvz: There are only two cable companies in the midwest, comcast and timewarner. There are, however, lots of local timewarner resellers. |
| 17:48.44 | jetscreamer | and i got pissed at seamonkey for some reason, i forget why... but i removed it from all my boxes |
| 17:48.52 | NNaway | y it really gets anoying |
| 17:48.55 | nvz | pipeline: I wanna say Charter or something but I know thats not it |
| 17:48.55 | goldsmurf | charter? |
| 17:49.02 | nvz | maybe it is |
| 17:49.04 | nvz | *shrug* |
| 17:49.07 | pipeline | jetscreamer: "seamonkey" is the new suite, which includes firefox bugs and regressions. |
| 17:49.19 | nvz | I still have an email address there and cant remember it |
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| 17:49.20 | jetscreamer | pipeline: yeah i --purged it |
| 17:49.24 | pipeline | jetscreamer: My problem with firefox is that everyone with any talent or deep understanding of gecko left the project when they shitcanned the suite. |
| 17:49.25 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 17:49.25 | NNaway | does kermit workj in dos? |
| 17:49.30 | pipeline | jetscreamer: There's no one left who understands it. |
| 17:49.33 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:49.34 | pipeline | NNaway: Yes, but this isn't the channel to ask about it. |
| 17:49.42 | pipeline | jetscreamer: Hence their inability to fix years-old bugs. |
| 17:49.45 | NNaway | sory |
| 17:49.48 | jetscreamer | i really like/liked moz better |
| 17:49.52 | NNaway | thanks though |
| 17:50.06 | jetscreamer | but ff 'seems' to work a tad faster or something |
| 17:50.08 | benjamindees | pipeline, that fucking sucks |
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| 17:50.38 | jetscreamer | i heard the ff license isn't like gpl or something.. dunno didn't do the research |
| 17:50.45 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Where is Apache's public directory? |
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| 17:51.20 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: yes it's not GNU GPL. it's Mozilla Public License |
| 17:51.29 | JohnRobert | how can I stop a process just knowing it's pid? |
| 17:51.34 | tarzeau | Inf3rn0_Laptop: it's defined in the config file? |
| 17:51.34 | jetscreamer | kill |
| 17:51.36 | Bhavesh | nvz comcast has been good to m since i got it a few yrs a go.. it was a packaged deal, local phone + digital cable + internet for $99/month |
| 17:51.44 | JohnRobert | jetscreamer, stop a process, not kill it |
| 17:51.48 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 17:51.53 | Bhavesh | but since the price has gone up but overall i hardly ever had more than a handful of problems |
| 17:51.59 | tarzeau | pipeline: i've tried to sum up a few big faults of it |
| 17:52.04 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | I don't even know the location of Apache itself -.- |
| 17:52.12 | tarzeau | pipeline: www.linuks.mine.nu/firefox/ i should make screenshots and be more verbose |
| 17:52.15 | jetscreamer | comcast is the aol provider blegh |
| 17:52.24 | tarzeau | pipeline: but then that'll not get us a better browser at all |
| 17:52.37 | nvz | Bhavesh: yeah thats what my parents have. my utilities here belong to the landlord, I just pay rent, cell, and internet. basic cable is included |
| 17:53.21 | amphi | JohnRobert: send it a SIGSTOP? |
| 17:53.22 | roxy_ | JohnRobert: kill can be used to stop a process. SIG is 18 or 20 |
| 17:53.45 | JohnRobert | ta |
| 17:54.01 | Bhavesh | nvz: nice.. i live in a house, got to pay for EVERYTHING and then some :) |
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| 17:54.23 | Bhavesh | nvz: and funny thing is comcast is advertising the same $99 deal now but only for 12 months |
| 17:54.23 | benjamindees | port gecko to konqueror; make build of konqueror for windows; rule the world |
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| 17:54.31 | rohan | i have the output of dpkg -l of a debian install saved to a file. can i have this install somehow use that file and install all the packages of the previous install ? |
| 17:54.39 | tarzeau | benjamindees: port webkit :) |
| 17:54.48 | nvz | Bhavesh: mine is like 24.95 for the first 3 months then it goes up to the 45-50 whatever it normally is |
| 17:55.09 | syrion__ | rohan, if it's plain-text and the names of the packages, why not just have a perl script read each line and put "apt-get install " in front of them? |
| 17:55.14 | benjamindees | tarzeau, meh, khtml sucks |
| 17:55.25 | tarzeau | benjamindees: much better than gecko imho |
| 17:55.33 | nvz | Bhavesh: the landlord wanted me to hook my phone line up and get dialup I wasnt going for paying for a phone line and dialup probably totaling more than the additional cable fees for high speed |
| 17:55.42 | benjamindees | not if you actually want sites to work |
| 17:55.42 | tarzeau | benjamindees: besides webkit is improved, and not just khtml |
| 17:55.51 | rohan | syrion: no, it has the exact same output of dpkg -l to a text file, and besides, i dont know perl :) |
| 17:56.13 | benjamindees | tarzeau, whatever, add them both; it would be easy |
| 17:56.31 | blackelf | my friends is behind a NAT. I have public IP 10.20.30.40. How can he give me ssh liike access to his machine now? |
| 17:56.33 | tarzeau | benjamindees: then i'd want a gnustep user interfaced browser |
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| 17:56.48 | tarzeau | benjamindees: have you hear of cocoafox? |
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| 17:56.57 | syrion | rohan, having just run dpkg -l |
| 17:57.11 | syrion | I notice that some of the names are truncated. This is a problem. |
| 17:57.14 | benjamindees | tarzeau, gbt#mac |
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| 17:57.17 | nvz | Bhavesh: I should point a cantenna down toward that new college housing development at the end of the road and sell access :P |
| 17:57.26 | syrion | Is there a way to get non-truncated package names out of it? |
| 17:57.28 | rohan | syrion: ah, damn :( |
| 17:57.38 | tarzeau | syrion: COLUMNS=2000 before the command |
| 17:57.55 | h3sp4wn | rohan: something like ``cat file| awk '{print $2}' | xargs apt-get install'' |
| 17:57.56 | benjamindees | tarzeau, nope |
| 17:58.02 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: fails |
| 17:58.10 | rohan | h3sp4wn: great, thanks a lot :) |
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| 17:58.25 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: Would be best do use dpkg ? |
| 17:58.34 | syrion | rohan, don't forget the columns=2000 :p |
| 17:58.50 | tarzeau | syrion: it's case sensitive |
| 17:58.52 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:58.52 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:59.01 | syrion | i know, tarzeau, but my caps-lock is unbound and I'm lazy. |
| 17:59.01 | rohan | syrion: :P |
| 17:59.01 | DaBlade | Is there a way to prevent alsamixer's volume levels from changing after a reboot? |
| 17:59.02 | rohan | ok |
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| 17:59.06 | DaBlade | alsactl store doesn't seem to do it. |
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| 17:59.23 | syrion | rohan: also, learn perl. it's the One True Way. |
| 17:59.32 | rohan | DaBlade: add the alsa script to run on startup |
| 17:59.36 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: Why would it fail I am confused |
| 17:59.37 | syrion | rohan: It brings spiritual tranquility and also lots of women. |
| 17:59.42 | DaBlade | rohan: It does |
| 17:59.49 | rohan | DaBlade: strange, then |
| 17:59.51 | DaBlade | rohan: But I want it to save the volumes I set |
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| 17:59.59 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: try it |
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| 18:00.06 | syrion | "Hey baby. I would like to submit your module to CPAN." "Oh, Japh!" |
| 18:00.08 | DaBlade | After a reboot, it pumps the PCM volume to 100 |
| 18:00.08 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: actually i'm not sure if it got fixed for the latest dpkg versions |
| 18:00.15 | DaBlade | I want it to stay on 84 |
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| 18:00.26 | nvz | rohan: what they arent telling you is it takes more diamond than perl to keep them around |
| 18:00.26 | syrion | "Japh, you can run a regexp replace on my last-modified-string any time you want!" |
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| 18:00.37 | blackelf | i810 driver doesnt work |
| 18:00.39 | blackelf | (WW)I810: no matching device section for instance (busID PCI:0:2:1: found |
| 18:00.50 | tarzeau | blackelf: which x version do you have? |
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| 18:01.03 | amphi | blackelf: how many cards do you have? |
| 18:01.06 | rohan | well, i tried to learn perl, but it isnt for me |
| 18:01.06 | tarzeau | blackelf: maybe your hardware is too new and/or your software too old |
| 18:01.17 | rohan | i'd rather just stick to the ubiquituous C++ |
| 18:01.18 | rohan | :P |
| 18:01.21 | DaBlade | Hello? |
| 18:01.25 | syrion | Entirely different beasts, rohan |
| 18:01.26 | tarzeau | rohan: tried Objective-C ? |
| 18:01.31 | rohan | tarzeau: no |
| 18:01.36 | blackelf | testing Xorg |
| 18:01.37 | blackelf | i915 |
| 18:01.44 | syrion | perl is for getting things done quick and easy; C++ is for applications. |
| 18:01.45 | rohan | why should i ? if its just C with classes, tarzeau , why not C++ ? |
| 18:01.55 | Shadowcat | sigh is blackelf still here |
| 18:01.58 | tarzeau | rohan: no it's not just C with classes... man |
| 18:01.58 | Shadowcat | he was here this afternoon |
| 18:02.03 | Shadowcat | and it's 20:00 |
| 18:02.08 | rohan | DaBlade: update-rc.d alsa defaults is meant to save and restore volumes ! |
| 18:02.12 | tarzeau | rohan: because C++ is not just an extension of C. it's a raped C |
| 18:02.13 | rohan | tarzeau: hmm |
| 18:02.17 | blackelf | (EE) GART init: Unable to open dev/agpgart (no such device) |
| 18:02.17 | blackelf | (EE) xf860 open serial: cannoit open device /dev/input |
| 18:02.19 | Shadowcat | C++ != C with classes |
| 18:02.24 | tarzeau | rohan: and Objective-C is a perfect C with object orientation added |
| 18:02.29 | DaBlade | rohan: And it does a good job of it, except that it fails to store the PCM volume |
| 18:02.29 | Shadowcat | C and C++ have completely different library structures |
| 18:02.30 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: exactly. beat him :) |
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| 18:02.38 | rohan | tarzeau: thats your view of it .. i believe C++ is improved and more logical C |
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| 18:02.45 | tarzeau | rohan: no it's not *my* view of it |
| 18:02.47 | rohan | Shadowcat: true ! |
| 18:02.48 | tarzeau | rohan: it's fact |
| 18:02.50 | h3sp4wn | rohan: ``cat file| awk '{print $2}' | xargs aptitude install'' (works with aptitude) |
| 18:02.51 | tarzeau | rohan: BULLSHIT |
| 18:02.53 | Shadowcat | rohan: if ytou gave that view in #C++ |
| 18:02.58 | Shadowcat | they'd beat the hell out of you |
| 18:03.00 | Shadowcat | in #C too |
| 18:03.05 | Shadowcat | C != C++ |
| 18:03.06 | tarzeau | rohan: C++ is not improved and it's not more logical C |
| 18:03.09 | rohan | Shadowcat: i know that |
| 18:03.10 | tarzeau | rohan: it's just not C at all |
| 18:03.14 | Shadowcat | two totally different cultures |
| 18:03.18 | tarzeau | rohan: then why do you claim it's logical C? |
| 18:03.21 | rohan | tarzeau: lol .. guess maybe you are right |
| 18:03.24 | Shadowcat | in fact if you use C nomenclature in C++ |
| 18:03.29 | Shadowcat | you'd get thrown out of the class |
| 18:03.45 | tarzeau | rohan: i'd like to bring you some fact urls. i got them at work, remind me on monday? |
| 18:03.53 | rohan | tarzeau: sure :) |
| 18:03.57 | tarzeau | rohan: great ;) |
| 18:03.58 | Yamaraj | C++ has evolved to be completely different from C. You cannot just mix and match libs. |
| 18:04.07 | Fvioz | I'm new, I want help with debian, but I don't know a Latinoamerican irc chanel, can help me ?? |
| 18:04.12 | Shadowcat | in other words rohan, if you were in C++ class and I saw you using structures instead of classes |
| 18:04.15 | Shadowcat | I'd fail you on the spot |
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| 18:04.17 | syrion | this is hilarious; a perl joke sparked a C vs. C++ flame war |
| 18:04.18 | Shadowcat | you just DON'T |
| 18:04.20 | syrion | I'm sorry, rohan |
| 18:04.27 | rohan | well, actually its just that i've learnt C++ before C, so cin and cout is easier than scanf and printf |
| 18:04.41 | Shadowcat | rohan: then you're a C++ coder, not a C one |
| 18:04.46 | tarzeau | rohan: they don't belong to the language |
| 18:04.47 | roxy_ | Fvioz: why a latinoamerican channel ? |
| 18:04.55 | syrion | Shadowcat, do you play roguelikes? |
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| 18:05.13 | rohan | tarzeau: well, yes :-S |
| 18:05.23 | rohan | Shadowcat: probably .. |
| 18:05.26 | Shadowcat | and don't ever let me catch you typing #include <iostream.h> in a C app either |
| 18:05.32 | Shadowcat | or I'd also fail you |
| 18:05.34 | tarzeau | rohan: yes they are not the language |
| 18:05.36 | syrion | If you do (or even if you don't) you should download the Crawl source code and look at their horrible code |
| 18:05.46 | rohan | tarzeau: i know .. they are a part of the standard lib |
| 18:05.46 | Yamaraj | #include <iostream.h> is outdated. |
| 18:05.49 | rohan | yes |
| 18:05.51 | Shadowcat | syrion: I have enough fun debugging goto loop |
| 18:05.55 | rohan | #include <iostream> |
| 18:05.58 | Shadowcat | Yamaraj: or #include <iostream> |
| 18:06.00 | Shadowcat | whatever |
| 18:06.02 | Shadowcat | you get the point |
| 18:06.04 | Yamaraj | Yes |
| 18:06.11 | rohan | Shadowcat: if you type #include <iostream.h> in ANY program, i'll fail you ;) |
| 18:06.12 | syrion | Crawl was the first time I had ever seen an #if 0 "comment" in C++ |
| 18:06.13 | roxy_ | ruby rules |
| 18:06.19 | Shadowcat | rohan: no |
| 18:06.27 | Yamaraj | Shadowcat: I would have failed you for importing C style to C++. ;-) |
| 18:06.34 | rohan | Shadowcat: i know i know .. its obsolete not wrong .. |
| 18:06.36 | Shadowcat | rohan: because there are MANY compilers that don't understand #include <iostream> |
| 18:06.47 | rohan | Shadowcat: those compilers are PURE SHIT then |
| 18:06.49 | Yamaraj | Many "outdated" compilers. |
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| 18:07.00 | Shadowcat | rohan: I wouldn't call Borland shit |
| 18:07.06 | Fvioz | because I'm colombian, and can't speak o write english as well as i want |
| 18:07.14 | rohan | Shadowcat: i would, if it doesnt comply to the standards |
| 18:07.24 | Shadowcat | says the C coder wannbie |
| 18:07.25 | roxy_ | Fvioz: and Spanish are not good enough for you ? |
| 18:07.27 | Shadowcat | how ironic |
| 18:07.31 | tarzeau | Fvioz: columbia? communist? |
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| 18:07.59 | rohan | Shadowcat: me, and a C coder wannabe ? no way :P |
| 18:07.59 | Yamaraj | Shadowcat: Borland compilers are not outdated, only some ancient versions are. |
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| 18:08.27 | syrion | I think I'm going to rewrite the linux kernel in Inform |
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| 18:08.43 | roxy_ | syrion: ADA would be the best |
| 18:08.44 | Yamaraj | syrion: How about BrainFUCK? |
| 18:09.03 | syrion | "You are standing before a login prompt. There is a light breeze from the east. A white mailbox stands open at the side of the road." |
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| 18:09.06 | rohan | syrion: python would do the job better :P |
| 18:09.11 | rohan | syrion: LOL |
| 18:09.12 | rohan | :D |
| 18:09.19 | roxy_ | VB would do it easy |
| 18:09.34 | tarzeau | rohan, roxy_, Yamaraj: what about http://www.iolanguage.com/about/ |
| 18:09.37 | tapple | !alsa |
| 18:09.37 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://wiki.debian.org/?ALSA , or see <alsa one-liner> |
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| 18:09.40 | syrion | If you don't know what Inform is, by the way, it's an Interactive Fiction programming language. :P |
| 18:10.26 | rohan | tarzeau: rewriting the linux kernel in ... |
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| 18:10.38 | Yamaraj | tarzeau: That's nothing. You should check Whitespace. ;-) |
| 18:10.42 | tarzeau | btw ever used tcc ? |
| 18:10.48 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: i'm not for most curious languages |
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| 18:11.05 | Yamaraj | Haha. "Toy" languages. |
| 18:11.09 | Fvioz | yes a spanish community is enough for me |
| 18:11.12 | Yamaraj | tcc == Tiny C Compiler? |
| 18:11.15 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: i wouldn't call Objective-C a toy language |
| 18:11.18 | roxy_ | tarzeau: wtf is: differential inheritance |
| 18:11.22 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: yep it can even build the linux kernel |
| 18:11.24 | roxy_ | !es |
| 18:11.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:11.27 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: before it boots it |
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| 18:11.36 | tarzeau | roxy_: there's #Io |
| 18:11.53 | Yamaraj | Yes, it can. How good is the optimization? |
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| 18:12.00 | roxy_ | tarzeau: man, I am a java programer, that sounds too scary :-) |
| 18:12.18 | tarzeau | roxy_: man JAVA. IS. SCARY. |
| 18:12.22 | syrion | Actually, looking back at Inform for the first time in years, it seems that they have changed the language from a C-style, flexible language to... some sort of plain-english abomination. |
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| 18:12.38 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: i use it for scripting :) |
| 18:12.45 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: it's quite ok fast |
| 18:12.52 | tarzeau | Yamaraj: not sure for optimization |
| 18:12.56 | Yamaraj | Hmm. I should try it again. |
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| 18:13.21 | Yamaraj | I did play with it for while, but never got too serious to bother with optimization etc. |
| 18:13.31 | roxy_ | tarzeau: well using ruby more and more. |
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| 18:14.32 | rohan | well, i've gotta run ... bbl .. tarzeau, dont forget the fact url's you told me about :) |
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| 18:17.22 | roxy_ | btw, anyone using puppet ? |
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| 18:22.30 | benjamindees | ah, chvt to the rescue |
| 18:22.46 | benjamindees | all problems in XFree86 can be solved with chvt |
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| 18:26.09 | silly_girl22 | would anyone like to see my script? |
| 18:26.31 | benjamindees | don't paste here |
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| 18:29.00 | bonez39 | are there any tools I can run to check the health of my SATA hard drive? |
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| 18:30.44 | benjamindees | bonez39, badblocks |
| 18:30.50 | xingu | bonez39: try your luck with a recent 2.6 kernel and smartmontools |
| 18:31.54 | bonez39 | benjamindees, badblocks is the name of the tool, eh? |
| 18:33.06 | benjamindees | bonez39, yep, write test on a blank hard drive will detect the most errors |
| 18:33.39 | bonez39 | benjamindees, ok, I hav emy system booted up with knoppix cd...and I appear to have latest smartmontools installed.... |
| 18:33.46 | bonez39 | just trying to figure out how torun it now |
| 18:34.35 | bonez39 | benjamindees, I don't have 'badblocks' installed though...so that's out...for the moment... |
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| 18:35.00 | wols | run a long test in smartmontools |
| 18:35.02 | wols | does the same |
| 18:35.04 | simonrvn | bonez39: um, it should be, it's in e2fsprogs |
| 18:35.18 | bonez39 | how do I laucnh each? |
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| 18:38.24 | simonrvn | read the --help and/or man page for each |
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| 18:42.48 | cynthia | I an having a problem setting up cenon. Anyone have experience with it? |
| 18:42.54 | Medmerd | Hello i was wondering if any one can tell me what i need to to get startx to work? |
| 18:43.19 | Yamaraj | Medmerd: xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg? |
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| 18:44.19 | Medmerd | um, eather im trying to start gnome. I found on google that i needed startx to run it |
| 18:44.57 | enouf | Medmerd: wrong answer :-) cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:45.25 | Medmerd | 3.1 |
| 18:45.33 | enouf | Ahh .. Sarge then |
| 18:45.45 | Medmerd | Im a little new, if you didnt know :P |
| 18:45.48 | enouf | so Xfree86 |
| 18:45.56 | enouf | I couldn't tell :-p |
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| 18:46.14 | bonez39 | what might this portend from fdisk /dev/sda ??? Command (m for help): v |
| 18:46.14 | bonez39 | Total allocated sectors -606348327 greater than the maximum 156301488 |
| 18:46.19 | enouf | !tell Medmerd about drxx |
| 18:46.20 | Medmerd | Was starge a bad choice still? |
| 18:46.33 | enouf | Medmerd: not at all |
| 18:46.41 | amphi | Medmerd: indeed not ;) |
| 18:46.56 | gravity | If you choose to install it as a desktop machine it will |
| 18:47.09 | bonez39 | Expert command (m for help): e |
| 18:47.10 | bonez39 | Disk /dev/sda: 247 heads, 54 sectors, 11718 cylinders |
| 18:47.10 | bonez39 | Nr AF Hd Sec Cyl Hd Sec Cyl Start Size ID |
| 18:47.11 | Medmerd | Okay thats what i had read that it was pretty good |
| 18:47.27 | bonez39 | simonrvn, does this info mean anything? show any potential problem? |
| 18:47.34 | enouf | !tell Medmerd about set up x |
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| 18:48.00 | Medmerd | Whats this set up thinger? |
| 18:48.19 | enouf | Medmerd: must make sure you have the required pkgs installed first |
| 18:48.20 | amphi | !drxx Medmerd |
| 18:48.21 | dpkg | Medmerd: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:48.36 | enouf | amphi : already did that .. :-) |
| 18:48.48 | amphi | enouf: oh well ;) |
| 18:49.00 | enouf | reading twice won't hurt .. hehe |
| 18:50.02 | Medmerd | dpkg: I got this "dpkg-reconfigure: command not found" |
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| 18:50.12 | enouf | Medmerd: as root |
| 18:50.18 | Medmerd | DAM |
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| 18:50.28 | enouf | Medmerd: or as sudo, or su - |
| 18:50.58 | Medmerd | ya i though i was already lol |
| 18:51.18 | enouf | Medmerd: what's id -u say |
| 18:51.28 | kingsley | Medmerd: It's in the debconf package. You may need to do "apt-get install debconf". |
| 18:51.50 | Medmerd | it says x-server_xfree86 is not installed... should i install it? |
| 18:51.58 | enouf | Medmerd: as kingsley said - again as root |
| 18:52.09 | Medmerd | i am root |
| 18:52.13 | enouf | Medmerd: run the command as dpkg told you |
| 18:52.20 | enouf | Medmerd: for set up x |
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| 18:52.53 | enouf | Medmerd: --> no quotes - all one line "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" |
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| 18:56.11 | sharket | hi |
| 18:56.30 | sharket | there is any new stable debian with the chance to install 2.4 kernel ? |
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| 18:56.52 | dvs | sharket: yeah, the current one. |
| 18:57.01 | sharket | oh, i |
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| 18:58.32 | sharket | is debian sarge ?right ? |
| 18:58.44 | Medmerd | enouf: Thanks, its installing |
| 18:58.45 | dvs | sharket: Yup, Debian 3.1 |
| 18:59.46 | enouf | Medmerd: cool - if you want any Gnome or KDE stuff? use this to find out --> /msg dpkg install gnome (replace with kde for KDE) |
| 19:00.02 | sharket | thanks |
| 19:00.38 | enouf | sharket /msg dpkg sarge 3.1r3 as the topic says :-) |
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| 19:01.16 | helo | anyone know how to burn m4a files as audio format? |
| 19:01.34 | sharket | uh |
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| 19:01.44 | sharket | is too long |
| 19:01.55 | sharket | sorry enouf i didn't see it |
| 19:02.10 | sharket | and at book i have to put bf24 also |
| 19:02.20 | sharket | like old releases ? |
| 19:02.33 | enouf | sharket: no worries |
| 19:03.25 | enouf | Medmerd: if you don't want a full blown Desktop (gnome and kde) look at WMs (Window Managers) use --> /msg dpkg window managers |
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| 19:04.16 | enouf | Medmerd: whoops - it's singular , so use window manager, or wm |
| 19:04.30 | sharket | mmmm |
| 19:04.46 | sharket | and at book i have to put bf24 for install 2.4 kernel like the older releases ? |
| 19:05.19 | enouf | sharket: I don't understand your question(s |
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| 19:05.37 | sharket | yes, i wwant to install 2.4 kernel with the 3.1 debian verion |
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| 19:05.57 | dvs | sharket: that is the default kernel |
| 19:06.02 | enouf | sharket: so use the installer from the CD ISO and just don't type linux26 |
| 19:06.04 | sharket | then i'm asking if what i have to do is at boot of the debian install, i should use the bf24 argument |
| 19:06.12 | sharket | ah |
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| 19:06.20 | linlin | how do i install 2.2.20-idepci sources |
| 19:06.29 | dvs | sharket: you don't have to type anything at the boot prompt |
| 19:06.31 | sharket | by default the 2.4 ? like slack ? pefect |
| 19:06.33 | sharket | thanks guys |
| 19:06.35 | sharket | :D |
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| 19:07.17 | havoc_ | is there a administration tool out there like sys-cp that is properly working with apache2 php5-fcgi ? |
| 19:07.27 | enouf | linlin: what the heck is that? |
| 19:08.04 | enouf | linlin: do you have a .deb pkg? |
| 19:09.37 | helo | xine will play m4a files... is there some way to burn them as audio? |
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| 19:09.46 | linlin | its the kernel sources for my machine |
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| 19:12.45 | benjamindees | helo, what burning program do you use? |
| 19:13.02 | dvs | benjamindees: k3b. Is there any other? ;-) |
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| 19:13.35 | benjamindees | dvs, there are a few people out there who refuse to use it |
| 19:14.28 | dvs | their loss. |
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| 19:17.47 | christos | helo I have installed the package fglrx-sources now how I can build the sources in order to have the driver for my graphic card?????? |
| 19:18.12 | sussudio | %nvidia-one-liner |
| 19:18.21 | sussudio | :-| |
| 19:18.29 | christos | but I have ati |
| 19:18.33 | h3sp4wn | module-assistant prepare,update && module-assistant build,install fglrx (iirc) |
| 19:19.35 | Medmerd | enouf: i ran that command , and i dont have a /msg folder |
| 19:19.57 | enouf | Medmerd: that's meant to type here in the IRC channel :-) |
| 19:20.07 | Medmerd | Ha good work ed |
| 19:20.15 | linlin | configure: error: Linux kernel source not found in /usr/src/linux |
| 19:20.15 | linlin | configure: error: ./configure failed for linux |
| 19:20.21 | linlin | how do i fix this? |
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| 19:22.50 | Eulex | linlin, install your kernel source? |
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| 19:23.20 | linlin | is there a way to get a list of all the packages installed? |
| 19:23.49 | h3sp4wn | aptitude search ~i |
| 19:23.54 | tremor | linlin: dpkg --get-selections > listfile |
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| 19:24.15 | ogu | hi |
| 19:24.27 | linlin | im just trying to install the tun module |
| 19:24.37 | linlin | i have it on my one debian server, but cant get it to work on m home pc |
| 19:24.44 | linlin | i dunno how i got it loaded on my server |
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| 19:26.10 | linlin | is it a package that comes with a 2.6 system and not a 2.2 one? |
| 19:26.18 | A310 | Hello all |
| 19:26.27 | ogu | ive added into my /etc/network/interface a eth0:x. after that i restart it, and eth0:x is available for use. but when REMOVING eth0:x form /etc/network/interfaces and then restarting network i geht following error: Ignoring unknown interface eth0:x=eth0:x |
| 19:26.55 | A310 | Can anyone explain what/why a I/O error on a HD is when atempting to cd to a directory? |
| 19:27.28 | A310 | there is nothing wrong with the hardware, passes all tests, and its only this one directory it happens on |
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| 19:27.43 | tarzeau | does @bugs.debian.org have a problem? |
| 19:27.49 | cusco | q dpkg |
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| 19:30.31 | benjamindees | A310, corrupt filesystem? you ran fsck? |
| 19:31.26 | A310 | I have not ran fsck, could be corrupted, passed boot inspection tho |
| 19:31.55 | Eulex | A310, what file system? |
| 19:32.01 | A310 | ext3 |
| 19:32.12 | Eulex | hmm, ok |
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| 19:32.35 | Eulex | and you're sure that the hardware is ok? |
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| 19:33.05 | tonyb2006 | tell me about doesn't work |
| 19:33.16 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 19:33.17 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 19:33.20 | tonyb2006 | thank you |
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| 19:34.01 | A310 | very sure the hardware is fine, tho the upper FS (NTFS) might have had some issue (passes chkdsk fine) and the lower fs passed bootup |
| 19:34.02 | Eulex | tonyb2006, /msg the bot next time. if you want to tell something about a factoid, do !tell foo about foo, but never make it tell yourself. |
| 19:34.06 | Medmerd | enouf: It still says that xsever is not installed? |
| 19:34.13 | Medmerd | xserver** |
| 19:34.18 | enouf | Medmerd: ok |
| 19:34.41 | enouf | Medmerd: dpkg -l x-window-system |
| 19:34.47 | Eulex | A310, you're 100% sure that the sector(s) where that directory is stored are not bad? |
| 19:34.52 | tonyb2006 | Eulex: tis someone in #debian-amd64 |
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| 19:35.15 | Eulex | tonsofpcs, heh, ok |
| 19:35.17 | enouf | Medmerd: and if it says 'ii' then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:35.19 | A310 | Eulex, short of running the manufs very fs corrupting hd checks, yes |
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| 19:35.38 | moebius | hello |
| 19:35.41 | tonyb2006 | or somthing else |
| 19:35.42 | tonyb2006 | meh |
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| 19:35.52 | Eulex | A310, eh? sorry, that sentence didnt make any sense for me |
| 19:35.57 | moebius | i'm getting these errors when I issue a "fc-cache" command: |
| 19:36.01 | moebius | fc-cache |
| 19:36.02 | moebius | Fontconfig warning: line 32: unknown element "cachedir" |
| 19:36.02 | moebius | Fontconfig warning: line 33: unknown element "cachedir" |
| 19:36.02 | moebius | Fontconfig error: "conf.d", line 1: no element found |
| 19:36.02 | moebius | fc-cache: symbol lookup error: fc-cache: undefined symbol: FcDirCacheLoad |
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| 19:36.15 | Eulex | !tell moebius about pastebin |
| 19:36.24 | A310 | Eulex, short of doing a manufactures drive integrity check, yes im very sure the hd is fine |
| 19:36.26 | moebius | sorry |
| 19:36.28 | moebius | i thougth it was a single line |
| 19:37.05 | Eulex | A310, anyway, I'd go for an fsck and see what happens |
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| 19:38.10 | moebius | ok, here is the pastebin: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3897 |
| 19:38.28 | moebius | i can't get out of it, it's a problem that i have since some months |
| 19:40.22 | Medmerd | enouf: it say no package found |
| 19:40.52 | enouf | Medmerd: dpkg -l x-window-system says that? |
| 19:40.56 | Medmerd | yea |
| 19:41.23 | Medmerd | I probably broke it LOL |
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| 19:43.32 | iLLf8d | lo all |
| 19:44.48 | pyxel | hello |
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| 19:49.14 | Klowner | so, anyone know if they've decided on a firefox replacement name?> |
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| 19:49.57 | enouf | Medmerd: still here? |
| 19:50.05 | Medmerd | enouf:Yes :) |
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| 19:50.31 | enouf | Medmerd: as root apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 19:50.54 | enouf | Medmerd: then apt-get install x11-common |
| 19:51.33 | Medmerd | enouf: x-windows-system isnt on the debian cd's so i dont have it :S |
| 19:51.53 | enouf | Medmerd: oh ?? you need to get it off the web |
| 19:52.19 | enouf | !tell Medmerd about repos |
| 19:52.26 | enouf | !tell Medmerd about repository |
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| 19:52.36 | enouf | aww crap |
| 19:53.06 | Medmerd | Yea and i have an sis900 which many people are having problems with and i have yet to find a sucessfull solution. |
| 19:53.09 | enouf | !tell Medmerd about sources |
| 19:53.20 | enouf | Medmerd: that one ^^ |
| 19:53.31 | enouf | !mirrors |
| 19:53.31 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 19:53.38 | enouf | Medmerd: that too ^^ |
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| 19:56.06 | Medmerd | enouf: Okay i got all that but it couldnt connect |
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| 19:57.40 | enouf | Medmerd: network is not wiorking ? |
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| 19:57.57 | Medmerd | enouf: no my card isnt im having troubles with it |
| 19:58.43 | enouf | Medmerd: Modem (Dialup), or DSL, or Cable .. ? and do you use a Router? |
| 19:58.51 | Medmerd | enouf: Its an sis900 or someother and they dont like to load correctly , found lost of people having problems with the same thing, but none of the solutions seamed to work |
| 19:59.14 | enouf | Medmerd: can gyou use another machine to d/l CD ISOs |
| 19:59.22 | linlin | where are the iptables config files kept? |
| 19:59.42 | zOrK | why my etch does not have the option to apt-get gmake? |
| 19:59.44 | zOrK | I mean |
| 19:59.53 | Taube | linlin: there are no config files - you write a script which adds the rules |
| 19:59.56 | zOrK | E: Couldn't find package gmake |
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| 20:00.12 | enouf | Medmerd: do this lspci -n andpaste the ONE line ONLY that refers to your NIC |
| 20:00.18 | Medmerd | i have all 15 of them added to my list already |
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| 20:00.34 | enouf | Medmerd: you have all 15 CD ISOs ? |
| 20:00.59 | enouf | Medmerd: available to you ? |
| 20:01.35 | enouf | Medmerd: and please try to answet the questions I'm asking - stop being elusive |
| 20:01.42 | enouf | answer* |
| 20:01.48 | linlin | Taube: how would i do this then? : http://pastebin.ca/187081 |
| 20:02.27 | Taube | linlin: What or where or who is that? |
| 20:02.27 | Medmerd | enouf: no i apt-cdrom add all 15 of the debain cds and there in my binder on my desk now |
| 20:03.28 | Medmerd | I have the results back fromt he lspci -n theres 2 nic right now |
| 20:03.40 | enouf | Medmerd: well ifd you have all 15 CD ISOs avaialble - trust me x-window-system is on there (one of them), as well as almost all 15000+ pkgs |
| 20:03.45 | linlin | Taube: http://thomer.com/howtos/nstx.html |
| 20:04.14 | linlin | Taube: little past half way down |
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| 20:05.00 | enouf | Medmerd: perhaps apt-cdrom is not setup properly - or you have your /etc/apt/sources.list messed up? |
| 20:05.10 | Taube | linlin: whats the problem - as far as i see all is explained |
| 20:05.21 | Medmerd | nic1: 0000:00:03.0 0200: 1039:0900 (rev 90) and nic2: 0000:00:09.0 0200 10b7:9200 (rev 78) |
| 20:05.40 | linlin | Taube: i dont understand what hes saying to do, he says to put that code in red in that file, but it doesnt exist |
| 20:05.41 | enouf | Medmerd: ok .. great .. one moment |
| 20:05.48 | Medmerd | enouf: I never touched it, so unless it messed itself up? |
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| 20:06.10 | Taube | linlin: try to create that file (dont know what that file does) |
| 20:06.13 | enouf | Medmerd: Yes you must revciew it and remove the # in front of the CDROM entry line |
| 20:06.56 | linlin | how do i tell if masquerading is already enabled? |
| 20:07.09 | sphenxes | . |
| 20:07.10 | Medmerd | enouf: there is only one # just remove that? |
| 20:07.15 | enouf | Medmerd: lspci -n is not outputting correctly -- there's more info needed .. so you need a web connection to run 'update-pciids' |
| 20:07.31 | enouf | Medmerd: yes .. paste the Line for Cdrom ONLY |
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| 20:08.33 | Medmerd | enouf: the line in the file or the line from lspci about the cdrom? |
| 20:09.28 | enouf | Medmerd: if the # in /etc/apt/sources.list is in front of the CDROM line - yes remove it .. but paste the info here (CDROM line ONLY) first too |
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| 20:09.40 | enouf | Medmerd: you'll likely need a web connection to run an 'apt-get update' |
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| 20:10.04 | enouf | Medmerd: but lets see how far we can get wirth the 15 CD ISOs first :-) |
| 20:10.43 | Medmerd | it showed them all listed in the sources list |
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| 20:11.33 | enouf | Medmerd: then just paste the line the has the # |
| 20:11.53 | Medmerd | enouf "deb file://cdrom/sarge main" thats the line |
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| 20:12.51 | enouf | Medmerd: ok .. remove the # and then change to ' deb file:/cdrom/sarge main ' <-- like that - no quotes |
| 20:13.08 | tapple | why does /dev/sda1 not appear when I plug in my usb drive? |
| 20:13.19 | Xormic | mount it? |
| 20:13.28 | enouf | tapple: does lsusb show anything about it? |
| 20:13.38 | Xormic | oh wait |
| 20:13.43 | Xormic | nevermind. |
| 20:13.43 | Taube | tapple: did you try dmesg to see what the kernel wants to tell you? |
| 20:13.47 | tapple | it appears in dmesg |
| 20:13.56 | Medmerd | enouf: okay done |
| 20:13.57 | tapple | as sda1, but not in /dev |
| 20:14.07 | benjamindees | oh there's no device node |
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| 20:14.38 | enouf | Medmerd: now try the X stuff again -- try installing anything necessary - see how it goes - and if any errors - pastebin them into a paster |
| 20:14.49 | enouf | !tell Medmerd about paste |
| 20:14.53 | DPackrat | Can anyone tell me how to restore logging? My auth.log and some other logging functions are no longer outputting |
| 20:15.27 | enouf | DPackrat: have you messed with sysctrl.conf? |
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| 20:15.45 | tapple | is there a problem with my udev? it is running, but it could not create a MAKEDEV symlink at startup |
| 20:15.53 | DPackrat | enouf: I did play with Webmin changing some log stuff, and I think that might have broken it |
| 20:16.03 | enouf | DPackrat: doh :-p |
| 20:16.13 | enouf | !webmin |
| 20:16.13 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 20:17.14 | benjamindees | I had a hoster one time tell me she didn't run ssh because "hackers like SSH" |
| 20:17.26 | benjamindees | she ran webmin instead |
| 20:17.27 | DPackrat | enouf: Well, I uninstalled it a while ago :P |
| 20:17.35 | enouf | tapple: do you have all the necessary usb modules loaded? |
| 20:17.47 | enouf | DPackrat: your excused then ... not! haha |
| 20:17.53 | DPackrat | heh |
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| 20:18.26 | tapple | enouf: It works now. I had to start up udev manually. How do I get udev to load on boot? |
| 20:18.46 | enouf | benjamindees: yes and many professional sales ppl say things like "you need our 50,000 Servers to do instant messaging" |
| 20:18.55 | enouf | ad $ |
| 20:18.57 | enouf | add $ |
| 20:19.13 | enouf | tapple: it works now .. how come ? |
| 20:19.19 | enouf | oh..I see |
| 20:19.23 | benjamindees | it was hilarious because she was in my office trying to log into her server to see why it was down |
| 20:19.36 | enouf | tapple: add a line in /etc/fstab for the device |
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| 20:19.55 | enouf | tapple: udev should start auto if installed properly |
| 20:20.30 | DPackrat | So, anyone know how I can reset the logging? |
| 20:20.36 | enouf | tapple: do you have this file? /etc/rcS.d/S03udev |
| 20:21.01 | enouf | DPackrat: I doubt you'll get much help with webmin - but man sysctrl.conf |
| 20:21.13 | enouf | DPackrat: and syslog and syslogd |
| 20:21.14 | Taube | To gzip a logfile from 428M to 21M - greate! :D |
| 20:21.18 | DPackrat | no, I don't need webmin help, just that I think webmin caused the problem |
| 20:21.27 | tapple | enouf: no, no rc symling |
| 20:21.47 | enouf | tapple: ok -- then dpkg -l udev |
| 20:22.23 | DPackrat | enouf: could I pastebin the contents of those and could you tell me if anything looks amiss? |
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| 20:22.30 | enouf | benjamindees: I love a good laugh .. hehe |
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| 20:23.12 | enouf | DPackrat: .. sure - won't hurt - can't guarantee anything - but others may be able to help as well |
| 20:23.22 | DPackrat | Sure |
| 20:23.46 | dererk | Hi again |
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| 20:23.57 | tapple | enouf: that did not create a symlink |
| 20:24.12 | enouf | tapple: dpkg -l udev | grep tail -1 |
| 20:24.35 | enouf | tapple: thats a lowercase L |
| 20:24.40 | DPackrat | http://pastebin.ca/187109 |
| 20:24.45 | dererk | I'm in doubt with some stuff. I saw that openssh has a big bug around in 4.3 version, and that affects us too |
| 20:25.03 | DPackrat | http://pastebin.ca/187110 |
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| 20:25.33 | enouf | DPackrat: How about Cron jobs/tabs.. have you messed with that as well |
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| 20:25.41 | tapple | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/187111 |
| 20:25.43 | dererk | It has been realised three days before a new version which solves this issues, how many time do you think it would take to apply it? |
| 20:25.50 | DPackrat | enouf: I *think* I tried using cron once |
| 20:26.29 | Dasani | i deleted my /usr/X11R6 because I don't use X and I wanted to free up space, but apparently vi wants /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 ... was I wrong in assuming that /usr/X11R6 only held libraries for X? Why does my vi need a shared object from there? |
| 20:26.31 | enouf | DPackrat: ok .. that's sincere .. I'm not that versed in sysadmin though - so maybe others will chime in |
| 20:26.34 | hesco | Is there a .deb package that would provide cyrus sasl support to the debian package for postfix? Or will I need to head upstream and build from source? |
| 20:26.46 | DPackrat | k |
| 20:27.02 | enouf | DPackrat: apt-rdepends vi |
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| 20:27.23 | DPackrat | ? |
| 20:27.54 | enouf | DPackrat: sorry ... not for you |
| 20:27.59 | DPackrat | ah |
| 20:28.15 | enouf | Dasani: apt-rdepends <packagname> maybe |
| 20:28.35 | magyar | is there a way to convert wma format to any other? |
| 20:28.47 | Dasani | i don't have an apt-rdepends |
| 20:28.52 | enouf | magyar: sure there is .. |
| 20:28.58 | magyar | how? |
| 20:28.59 | enouf | Dasani: install it ? |
| 20:29.15 | enouf | magyar: is this WMP 10 stuff? |
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| 20:29.38 | enouf | magyar: that's highly Copy-protected crap .. burn it |
| 20:29.53 | magyar | enouf: nope, amd64 port amarok will not play wma format (uknown cidec) |
| 20:29.56 | magyar | codec |
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| 20:30.09 | enouf | magyar: butI'm sure there must be a way .. try mplayer and VLC |
| 20:30.31 | magyar | wma is 32 bit? |
| 20:30.32 | enouf | magyar: you need the win32 codecs |
| 20:30.45 | craigevil | mplayer with the essential codecs package will play almost anything |
| 20:30.47 | magyar | i am on 64 bit platform |
| 20:31.01 | enouf | magyar: run it in a chroot env then |
| 20:31.18 | Charminthemoose | question:what's the difference between a 32 bit platform and a 64 bit platform? |
| 20:31.25 | enouf | about 32 bits |
| 20:31.30 | enouf | :-p |
| 20:31.34 | magyar | enouf: other than that i can't convert them i guess |
| 20:31.47 | enouf | magyar: not sure...never tried |
| 20:31.54 | magyar | thanks |
| 20:32.06 | craigevil | audacity can convert media formats |
| 20:32.15 | enouf | magyar: I wouldn't think so - otherwise we'd have many more proprietary 64bit apps |
| 20:32.24 | enouf | already.. |
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| 20:32.54 | enouf | craigevil: it can encode a 32bit file to 64bit ..wow |
| 20:33.40 | enouf | magyar: actually - you should be able to run MANY 32 bit apps alreay -so that shouldn't be an issue ... I think |
| 20:34.39 | magyar | in 32bit jail you mean? |
| 20:34.49 | enouf | magyar: you should look for the win32 codecs in mplayer or whatever XMMS, VLC, etc .. and try that avanue |
| 20:34.52 | magyar | enouf: ^ |
| 20:35.15 | nvz | reminds me of that RCA Digital Voice recorder my cousin brought me the other day because he couldnt figure out any way to use the audio short of doing a full playback through a patch cable.. records to some strange VOB encoding only sox and mplayer would play it but it was only a few seconds of static |
| 20:35.26 | enouf | magyar: not necessarily ... |
| 20:35.44 | nvz | that thing is too small to even be effective as a doorstop |
| 20:36.02 | enouf | nvz : heh |
| 20:36.15 | magyar | enouf: wincodec emulated on 64-bit? am not grassping it :( |
| 20:36.22 | tapple | enouf: thanks for your help. The problem was that I had not purged hotplug from the system |
| 20:36.37 | enouf | magyar: I'm not certain .. sorry |
| 20:36.42 | magyar | k |
| 20:36.48 | enouf | tapple: no prob . and yep that'll do it :-) |
| 20:36.55 | EvilGuru | is there any reason why the newest version of dvipng is 1.5, even in testing while 1.8 is out and not being 'tested' |
| 20:37.46 | enouf | magyar: even though it's mostly winluser oriented you can browse hydrogenaudio.org forums for info about wma and all other formats |
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| 20:41.01 | magyar | enouf: roger |
| 20:41.19 | enouf | magyar: bravo tango charlie :-P |
| 20:41.32 | magyar | ten-four |
| 20:41.38 | enouf | haha |
| 20:41.46 | magyar | eheheeh |
| 20:41.51 | nvz | o.O |
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| 20:42.29 | amphi | whiskey tango foxtrot? |
| 20:43.02 | enouf | magyar: I've been told it's more of a apt and dpkg issue when trying to both install and use 32bit and 64bitversions side-by-side .. lemmee see if I can find the info |
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| 20:43.14 | enouf | amphi: I'll take a double |
| 20:43.20 | enouf | of each |
| 20:43.36 | amphi | heh |
| 20:44.43 | EvilGuru | what does 'sponsor' mean it terms of a package maintainer |
| 20:45.03 | benjamindees | EvilGuru, it's another maintainer that vouches for you |
| 20:45.05 | gravity | EvilGuru: The Debian Developer who uploads the package to the archive. |
| 20:45.09 | nvz | EvilGuru: a new maintainer cannot upload needs someone to sign off |
| 20:45.13 | streuner | EvilGuru: you need a DD in order upload packages... |
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| 20:46.22 | Inf3rn0 | Is there a FTP server included with Debian, or one that I can download via the package installer? |
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| 20:46.34 | voLvo | BrB |
| 20:46.52 | enouf | magyar: sorry - I'll never find it .. but IIRC - I think maybe it was "blissex" or someone with a B here in irc .. but maybe I'm brainfarting |
| 20:46.59 | EvilGuru | so in the context of 'getting rid of' or becoming a co-maintainer of a package whos developer is dormant sponsoring someone else is getting them added to the co-maintainers list |
| 20:47.26 | streuner | no |
| 20:48.08 | magyar | enouf: np |
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| 20:50.17 | enouf | DPackrat: do all the logfiles listed in syslog.conf appear to be correct and functioning ? |
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| 20:52.30 | sharket | if i make images from a instalation, which is only different the hd, will be ok ? |
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| 20:53.38 | enouf | DPackrat: I have these 2 lines in my /etc/syslog.conf [1] auth,authpriv.* /var/log/auth.log [2] *.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog |
| 20:54.09 | enouf | DPackrat: line [2] was --> *.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog |
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| 20:55.09 | m83 | hello. can anyone tell me how can I execute a command in gnome-terminal and then make gnome-terminal stay open? |
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| 20:55.29 | m83 | something like: gnome-terminal -e 'ls -l'. when I do this, it runs the ls and then quickly close |
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| 20:55.58 | enouf | DPackrat: it appears you're missing the first line auth,authpriv.* /var/log/auth.log |
| 20:57.57 | enouf | DPackrat: and I don;t have any of the stuff below and including you lihes at the end of file ### Send kern.info messages to psadfifo for analysis by kmsgsd |
| 20:57.57 | Klowner | m83: try gnome-terminal -e 'ls -l; read' |
| 20:58.05 | enouf | lines* |
| 20:58.09 | Klowner | m83: and it should wait for a keypress before it closes |
| 20:58.26 | enouf | gotta go for a while folks .. |
| 20:58.33 | amphi | m83: the xterm arg for that is -hold, dunno if it works with your term |
| 21:00.17 | g333k | Hi, Do I have to add something to my /etc/fstab to see the non-ASCII characters in the name of my files from ntfs partitions? |
| 21:01.22 | jelly-home | g333k: man mount, look for ntfs mount options and iocharset specifically |
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| 21:02.23 | DPackrat | enouf: Could you post that to pastebin? |
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| 21:05.01 | Charminthemoose | when kde unpacks a tar.gz in konqueror,where does it store the files that are unpacked? |
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| 21:05.35 | m83 | Klowner: yes... it works. but It's not quite what I had in mind. You give me some ideas tho. what I wanted was something like this: gnome-terminal -e 'bash -c "ls -l; exec bash"' |
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| 21:06.24 | m83 | it's kinda ugly, but it's the only thing I could came up right now |
| 21:06.26 | amphi | m83: gnome-terminal -hold -e '/bin/ls -l' doesn't work? |
| 21:07.33 | m83 | amphi: no. gnome-terminal doesn't have the -hold option |
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| 21:07.49 | amphi | m83: ugh - use a decent terminal emulator ;) |
| 21:07.59 | m83 | :)) |
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| 21:08.58 | sharket | if i make images from a instalation, which is only different the hd, will be ok ? |
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| 21:09.37 | amphi | m83: mrxvt has tabs, if that's your thing |
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| 21:15.55 | clojster | hi, which package includes binary "cc"? i need it to compile something, but make exits whit error that it cannot find "cc" |
| 21:15.55 | zinx | build-essential |
| 21:15.55 | dvs | clojster: gcc |
| 21:15.59 | pyxel | clojster: or you can use apt-file for find it |
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| 21:16.38 | clojster | i tried both, but I dont have no program "cc" in my system. would symlink to gcc help? |
| 21:16.55 | pyxel | why not ;P |
| 21:17.26 | dvs | clojster: ls -l /etc/alternatives/cc |
| 21:17.42 | macOnki | guys/girls, is there any debian-like distro that has sakai packeges? |
| 21:17.45 | pyxel | clojster: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=cc&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 21:18.10 | clojster | ls: /etc/alternatives/cc: No such file or directory |
| 21:18.12 | enouf | DPackrat: I have one more minute only .. you still here? |
| 21:18.41 | dvs | clojster: install build-essentail first |
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| 21:19.38 | clojster | thanks |
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| 21:20.57 | DPackrat | enouf: yes, are you? |
| 21:21.13 | enouf | DPackrat: actually both ayth lines are messed up - here's that section of mine http://pastebin.ca/187165 - gone for a while now though (all showered and clean :-)) |
| 21:21.15 | RobHu | Hi - I just updated my dapper install and now when I login to Gnome I just get a coloured background - in safe mode it says "Unable to determine the address of the message bus" |
| 21:21.29 | niruana | hi all, is there any way to get a 250gb USB disk (NTFS) running on a debian? |
| 21:21.32 | enouf | DPackrat: auth* lines are messed up |
| 21:21.42 | dvs | RobHu: We don't know about Ubuntu in here |
| 21:21.51 | DPackrat | enouf: Thanks, I will check those out :D |
| 21:22.00 | RobHu | oh |
| 21:22.02 | RobHu | so terribly sorry |
| 21:22.08 | RobHu | I meant to go to #ubuntu! |
| 21:22.11 | RobHu | Thanks all :P |
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| 21:23.12 | robin_sz | hmmm |
| 21:23.33 | robin_sz | i cant help thinking we let him get off far too easily ;) |
| 21:23.48 | DPackrat | enouf: reload sysklogd after editing? |
| 21:23.57 | dvs | robin_sz: pick your battles. ;-) |
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| 21:26.11 | niruana | hi all, is there any way to get a 250gb USB disk (NTFS) running on a debian? |
| 21:26.29 | tarzeau | niruana: sure |
| 21:26.35 | dvs | read only |
| 21:26.41 | niruana | crap |
| 21:26.53 | tarzeau | dvs: you can also write to it |
| 21:27.01 | niruana | cool, how tarzeau ? |
| 21:27.04 | dvs | tarzeau: safely? |
| 21:27.09 | tarzeau | niruana: just mount it rw :) |
| 21:27.11 | tarzeau | dvs: of course not |
| 21:27.18 | dvs | ... |
| 21:27.23 | tarzeau | dvs: well depends on whose ntfs implementation you use |
| 21:27.30 | niruana | ? |
| 21:28.00 | tarzeau | niruana: who and if it'll be readable again, is another question |
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| 21:28.21 | DPackrat | enouf: Thanks! Works like a charm now that I've reloaded sysklogd. :-) |
| 21:28.21 | niruana | hmmm ok :( |
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| 21:33.00 | h3sp4wn | Has anyone got a sane way of restoring /etc/rc0.d to defaults ? (I can still init 6 to shutdown but I want to avoid just manually recreating all the symlinks if I can) |
| 21:33.25 | dvs | h3sp4wn: man update-rc.d |
| 21:33.56 | h3sp4wn | dvs: I know how to restore them one by one |
| 21:34.14 | MatBoy | Someone seen Cydork here today ? |
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| 21:34.23 | dvs | !seen cydork |
| 21:34.23 | dpkg | cydork <n=vihang@213-140-21-233.fastres.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4h 25m 49s ago, saying: 'Alex_Jones_Rocks, define good'. |
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| 21:34.33 | h3sp4wn | dvs: I just thought there may be a package that has some of the default ones in it that I could just reinstall |
| 21:34.46 | terib | hi all |
| 21:34.50 | MatBoy | he, that's kewl ! |
| 21:34.55 | terib | i have a problem with apache2 |
| 21:35.04 | dvs | h3sp4wn: I thought that was it but it works on a package-by-package basis |
| 21:35.08 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:35.08 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:35.18 | MatBoy | just once :) |
| 21:35.20 | tarzeau | terib: i can't read mind |
| 21:35.25 | MatBoy | !seen MatBoy |
| 21:35.25 | dpkg | matboy is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen MatBoy'. |
| 21:35.37 | dvs | pfffffft |
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| 21:35.41 | MatBoy | wow, the bot must be a very busy box ! |
| 21:35.45 | terib | the variable phpinfo and other $_http["HTTP_USER_AGENT"]" don't work .. |
| 21:36.00 | terib | nobody have ideaplease ..:s |
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| 21:36.08 | sanabriamusic | u guys made out ok with screen resolution and sound when u installed debian? |
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| 21:36.48 | dvs | sanabriamusic: No, I had to do most if it after I installed Debian |
| 21:36.53 | robin_sz | terib, you are lookign at a <? phpinfo() /> page? |
| 21:36.56 | HYPOCRISY | hello |
| 21:36.58 | MatBoy | can dpkg also tell the specs of the system where he is running on ? |
| 21:37.00 | sanabriamusic | wow |
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| 21:37.15 | sanabriamusic | i did the xf86config-4 thing and didnt change my screen |
| 21:37.22 | sanabriamusic | and the sound makes a rumbling noise |
| 21:37.34 | robin_sz | terib, or is this in some shonky php application? |
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| 21:38.48 | iLLucionist | Hi y'all |
| 21:38.58 | terib | robin_sz, what ? |
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| 21:41.59 | iLLucionist | Who in here's married with Debian? |
| 21:42.17 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: huh? |
| 21:42.18 | Hoxzer_ | hmmm |
| 21:42.21 | Hoxzer_ | can I marry it?! |
| 21:42.24 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: deborah and ian are married |
| 21:42.24 | dvs | iLLucionist: divorced. ;-) |
| 21:42.26 | taylor | Can the stable 2.4.27-2-386 kernel use USB thumb drives? If so, how? |
| 21:42.29 | iLLucionist | ^_^ just curious; i know |
| 21:42.31 | Hoxzer_ | geez, why didn't anybody tell me!? |
| 21:42.34 | streuner | we love debian, but you don't need to be married to love something ;-) |
| 21:42.43 | iLLucionist | streuner: you get it |
| 21:42.53 | tarzeau | streuner: ahhhhh |
| 21:43.05 | iLLucionist | last day i cheated on debian and was on irc of some other distro and they were like engaging with it o_O |
| 21:43.05 | sanabriamusic | am not married to debian yet but am in love |
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| 21:43.26 | tarzeau | sanabriamusic: nothing you hate about it? |
| 21:43.32 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: nothing you hate about it? |
| 21:43.56 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: nope. grew up with it, stick with it, die with it |
| 21:44.02 | sanabriamusic | the huge letters |
| 21:44.16 | sanabriamusic | i cant change resolution from 640 and the sound rumbles |
| 21:44.25 | tarzeau | sanabriamusic: what sound card? |
| 21:44.25 | iLLucionist | hehe |
| 21:44.32 | sanabriamusic | i have no idea |
| 21:44.38 | sanabriamusic | intel something |
| 21:44.45 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: wow your needs are low, but nice |
| 21:44.55 | tarzeau | sanabriamusic: too new i guess, tried the latest ALSA? |
| 21:45.05 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: i've been distro-hopping for quite some time, but only debian proves to be stable during a world war |
| 21:45.06 | sanabriamusic | how do i do that |
| 21:45.16 | tarzeau | sanabriamusic: www.alsa-project.org |
| 21:45.31 | sanabriamusic | can it be put with the synptic package thing |
| 21:45.45 | dvs | sanabriamusic: which kernel? |
| 21:46.04 | sanabriamusic | i am so new to this dont even know where to start |
| 21:46.12 | dvs | sanabriamusic: uname -r |
| 21:46.20 | sanabriamusic | what is the command lpci something |
| 21:46.22 | terib | robin_sz, but i don't understand i have install all necessary package .. :s |
| 21:46.24 | sanabriamusic | this way i can tell u |
| 21:46.30 | streuner | iLLf8d: its could that *some* people see pros about it ;-) |
| 21:46.37 | dvs | sanabriamusic: lspci | grep audio |
| 21:46.42 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 21:46.43 | sanabriamusic | ok hold on |
| 21:46.47 | terib | and apache2 work .. |
| 21:47.03 | tarzeau | dvs: try just udio |
| 21:47.05 | oldsam | hi, I have a question about apt-get: due to a bug in current versions of libfreetype I must down-date this library to an older version. -- if I do "apt-get -s install libfreetype6=x.y.z-version" it shows me that this would remove a lot of packages that I need... I'm almost sure that the down-grade would be no problem for the depending-packets so how can I avoid the package-removing? |
| 21:47.10 | tarzeau | dvs: since some are case sensitive |
| 21:47.12 | streuner | iLLf8d: sorry that was for iLLucionist |
| 21:47.21 | dvs | tarzeau: works for me |
| 21:47.32 | tarzeau | dvs: i think we discussed this already once, not for me |
| 21:47.35 | dvs | tarzeau: that one isn't one of them |
| 21:47.44 | dvs | tarzeau: Ethernet is though |
| 21:47.53 | sanabriamusic | intel corp 82801AA AC audio (rev02) |
| 21:47.54 | tarzeau | 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 21:47.58 | iLLucionist | streuner: debian only has pros :P |
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| 21:48.11 | dvs | 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 21:48.11 | tarzeau | dvs: indeed it is |
| 21:48.26 | tarzeau | dvs: 01:07.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) |
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| 21:48.40 | tarzeau | dvs: besides you can get other things that are NOT a sound card |
| 21:48.47 | dvs | sanabriamusic: what does "uname -r" says? |
| 21:48.51 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: that's not true |
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| 21:49.16 | sanabriamusic | uname r gave me 2.4.27-3-386 |
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| 21:49.37 | dvs | sanabriamusic: apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
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| 21:49.50 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: i know, but the cons are not really ignorant except for unstable being broke and some pkgs now and then for as far as i can judge...and some people complaining about a release schedule |
| 21:50.07 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: unstable is not always broke |
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| 21:50.14 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: and for sure not entirely |
| 21:50.14 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: now and then i said |
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| 21:50.26 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: it's never broke for me |
| 21:50.31 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: it's just not broke |
| 21:50.36 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: not the parts i use |
| 21:50.43 | DingoK | is there some sort of way to tell apt or dpkg to just remove everythign with a package (conf, etc) so I can start over? |
| 21:50.52 | streuner | tarzeau: you don't run unstable for a long time then |
| 21:50.55 | sanabriamusic | bash syntax erro |
| 21:50.55 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: so it entirely depends which packages of it you use, and how many of them |
| 21:50.58 | sanabriamusic | let me do it again |
| 21:51.07 | tarzeau | streuner: like 6 years? |
| 21:51.15 | tarzeau | streuner: what's long for you then? |
| 21:51.25 | streuner | hm, what's about the libc6 breakage 2 years ago? |
| 21:51.29 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: i know. sometimes it broke for me when reinstalling my pc. as if i was installing during a pkg transition |
| 21:51.33 | tarzeau | streuner: that's seldom. not now and then |
| 21:51.39 | iLLucionist | were* |
| 21:51.39 | streuner | nothing worked at that time then |
| 21:51.43 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: that's rare and seldom |
| 21:51.51 | sanabriamusic | could not open lock file |
| 21:51.52 | tarzeau | streuner: can be avoided |
| 21:51.59 | dvs | ....unless you use ubuntu. ;-) |
| 21:52.06 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: i know; most of the time unstable is great i'm not blaming |
| 21:52.08 | tarzeau | streuner: running sid doesn't mean you blindly update each and every package daily |
| 21:52.14 | streuner | tarzeau: you shouldn't speak about unstable its painless here... |
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| 21:52.20 | tarzeau | streuner: running sid means, not running into the shit other people run into |
| 21:52.30 | tarzeau | streuner: HUH? |
| 21:52.42 | tarzeau | streuner: why shouldn't i speak? and if it's painless there. that's great |
| 21:52.47 | tarzeau | streuner: it's painless here too |
| 21:52.50 | streuner | unstable is unstable and it could always broke very soon |
| 21:53.13 | tarzeau | streuner: actually it breaks yeah, that doesn't mean everybody runs into the breakage |
| 21:53.22 | tarzeau | streuner: if you're not a lemming you can perfectly avoid all those problems |
| 21:53.38 | tarzeau | streuner: actually you must be very very stupid to run into really bad problems |
| 21:53.48 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: yes you are |
| 21:53.52 | sanabriamusic | dvs is doing it |
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| 21:54.04 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: what am i? stupid? |
| 21:54.08 | dvs | I'm not doing anything. ;-) |
| 21:54.12 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: blaming |
| 21:54.27 | taylor | How does one translate an address reported by dmesg for a USB device, like "00:10.3-3, assigned address 4" to a device that can be mounted? |
| 21:54.32 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: if you don't like sid, don't use it |
| 21:54.35 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: but don't blame it |
| 21:54.40 | sanabriamusic | is doing the apt |
| 21:54.41 | sanabriamusic | hold on |
| 21:54.44 | dvs | taylor: look in the /var/log/messages file |
| 21:54.47 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: you can't blame a knife for cutting yourself |
| 21:54.52 | Xenguy | DingoK: apt-get remove --purge packagename OR dpkg -r packagename |
| 21:54.54 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: it's a nice tool, if you can use it right |
| 21:54.55 | Xenguy | ww |
| 21:55.00 | streuner | tarzeau: you should read "sid faq" |
| 21:55.01 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: obviously you can't |
| 21:55.05 | tarzeau | streuner: I DID! |
| 21:55.07 | tarzeau | streuner: YOU SHOULD |
| 21:55.13 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: i DID NOT blame it. and for as far as you thought i were |
| 21:55.23 | dvs | !blame sid |
| 21:55.25 | tarzeau | streuner: heck why are you talking like that with me? i think you should know me after all these years |
| 21:55.25 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: and i'm using sid perfectly right, it broke two years ago three times thats all |
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| 21:55.33 | tarzeau | dvs: you're an idiot |
| 21:55.41 | dvs | that's nice |
| 21:55.48 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: and that gives you the right to call it breaks now and then? |
| 21:55.56 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: of course you blamed it |
| 21:55.58 | streuner | yes, but i didn't regonise that you speaking about unstable its ok for newbies .... |
| 21:56.00 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: oh, in that way |
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| 21:56.08 | DingoK | xenguy: Thanks a ton. |
| 21:56.11 | taylor | dvs: Yes, I did, but didn't find a device. |
| 21:56.22 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: well, sorry for that if you meant that with *blaming* |
| 21:56.26 | dvs | taylor: did you run "alsaconf"? |
| 21:57.02 | taylor | dvs: Not recently. (The USB device is a thumb drive.) |
| 21:57.05 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: why are you being so hard on unstable? with all do respect, why by god are you defendig it so hard? |
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| 21:57.16 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: because i like it so hard? |
| 21:57.29 | dvs | taylor: Oh. sorry. wrong person. |
| 21:57.30 | sanabriamusic | it finished the apt alsa modules thing |
| 21:57.31 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: and i dislike it people blaming things for their incompetency |
| 21:57.47 | streuner | unstable is a bitch, it could break you very soon and very easily |
| 21:57.49 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: because many things are great, just many people can not use it right |
| 21:57.52 | dvs | taylor: modprobe usb-storage |
| 21:57.59 | tarzeau | streuner: could and does are entirely different things |
| 21:58.06 | tarzeau | streuner: and no, unstable is not a bitch |
| 21:58.07 | streuner | haha |
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| 21:58.23 | tarzeau | streuner: and no, it can't easily break |
| 21:58.33 | tarzeau | streuner: it's just people can easily do wrong things with it |
| 21:58.40 | tarzeau | streuner: by not reading the sid faq for example |
| 21:58.47 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -> fuck my system is broke |
| 21:58.48 | sanabriamusic | dv it finished |
| 21:58.52 | tarzeau | streuner: after all many people run sid |
| 21:58.53 | iLLucionist | how can i avoid that then? |
| 21:58.54 | sanabriamusic | do i have to reboot? |
| 21:59.03 | tarzeau | streuner: if you check the popcon stats on the popcon version |
| 21:59.05 | dvs | sanabriamusic: no, just run "alsaconf" |
| 21:59.18 | sanabriamusic | can u guide me through? |
| 21:59.20 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: huh? i do that too, and MY SYSTEM is not broke |
| 21:59.25 | taylor | dvs: usb-storage is already loaded, but not used. |
| 21:59.30 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: did you do that just now? |
| 21:59.37 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: but it could be, and with unstable sometimes it happen; no, not now |
| 21:59.39 | hackmiker | hi how do i switch to console-only mode? i've tried telinit 3 but X still continues to run, and rerun if i kill it |
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| 21:59.44 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: you can avoid , yes |
| 21:59.50 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: but you say that people are stupid if they get a broken system with unstable |
| 21:59.50 | dvs | taylor: is sd_mod loaded too? |
| 21:59.58 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: exactly |
| 22:00.03 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: so my question is: how can you completely avoid that |
| 22:00.09 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: because it means they didn't follow it carefully |
| 22:00.10 | sanabriamusic | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.13 | taylor | dvs: No. |
| 22:00.13 | Xenguy | hackmiker: what about telinit 2 ? |
| 22:00.15 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: true |
| 22:00.16 | sanabriamusic | hold on whats that |
| 22:00.18 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: don't blindly upgrade |
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| 22:00.20 | dvs | taylor: then load it |
| 22:00.23 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: true |
| 22:00.28 | hackmiker | Xenguy: ok, i'll try |
| 22:00.34 | sanabriamusic | building card database |
| 22:00.36 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: it should be stated though that few people follow unstable that close |
| 22:00.36 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: i've got a small selection of software that i track and use |
| 22:00.44 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: some do |
| 22:00.50 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: same here |
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| 22:00.53 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: if they don't, isn't that their problem? |
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| 22:00.59 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: true |
| 22:01.01 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: gives that them the right to blame others? |
| 22:01.03 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: no |
| 22:01.15 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: it means they've not done their homework |
| 22:01.27 | tarzeau | and it's entirly their fault, they broke it |
| 22:02.04 | taylor | dvs: Do you happen to remember the name of the file which lists modules to be loaded when booting? |
| 22:02.15 | odla | /etc/modules? |
| 22:02.23 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: not true |
| 22:02.23 | hackmiker | how do i install a .deb ? |
| 22:02.28 | dvs | taylor: it's /etc/modules |
| 22:02.31 | odla | hackmiker, dpkg -i *.deb |
| 22:02.37 | hackmiker | ok thanks |
| 22:02.40 | sanabriamusic | it ran the setup and said have fun at the end |
| 22:02.43 | sanabriamusic | do i reboot now? |
| 22:02.55 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: if package a requires thingie0.6.deb and package tree says there only is thingie0.7.deb it's NOT the fault of the user |
| 22:02.55 | taylor | odla & dvs: Thanks. |
| 22:02.56 | dvs | sanabriamusic: no, |
| 22:03.03 | dvs | taylor: you're welcome |
| 22:03.17 | sanabriamusic | its still rumbling |
| 22:03.18 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: in that case, often you have to download 0.6 yourself. that's ridicilous and should not occur. |
| 22:03.33 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: and that's what happens now and then |
| 22:03.46 | dvs | sanabriamusic: how many sound cards do you have? |
| 22:03.49 | odla | iLLucionist, are you using sid? |
| 22:03.49 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: huh? with which software? |
| 22:03.50 | sanabriamusic | one |
| 22:03.53 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: apart from the fact whether you follow it or not |
| 22:03.54 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: that's NOT a breakage of sid |
| 22:03.55 | sanabriamusic | but |
| 22:03.56 | iLLucionist | odla: yes |
| 22:03.57 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | is ftp.no.debian.org down? |
| 22:04.07 | minerale | Bah, gmail no longer works from elinks... does anyone know any command line-friendly way to access gmail ? |
| 22:04.07 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: no, that's true |
| 22:04.12 | odla | iLLucionist, it happens...you can't complain about sid and if you can't fix problems you shouldn't be running unstable software |
| 22:04.20 | iLLucionist | odla: true |
| 22:04.21 | sanabriamusic | i did changed some card:0 thingy to card:1 somewhere on something i read last night |
| 22:04.32 | amphi | minerale: fetchmail ;) |
| 22:04.47 | minerale | amphi: will that download the mail locally ? |
| 22:04.50 | iLLucionist | odla: the only point i'm trying to make is that sometimes there is an inconsistency in unstable that might get your system broke. that's all |
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| 22:05.00 | amphi | minerale: yeah |
| 22:05.02 | iLLucionist | odla: and that itself happens, apart from being able to fix or follow packages |
| 22:05.19 | odla | iLLucionist, then you wait a few days and upgrade again...that's all you have to do |
| 22:05.23 | iLLucionist | odla: it's not a daily issue; it happens seldomnly. but it does happen |
| 22:05.24 | iLLucionist | odla: true |
| 22:05.32 | crn | aptitude can be told to forget new packages. how can it be told to remember them? |
| 22:05.41 | iLLucionist | odla: i'm not complaining. but tarzeau says it does not happen. that's rubbish cause it does. that's all |
| 22:05.44 | minerale | amphi: I don't want to download it, gmail serves me very well as the central repository, I just want to access it from far away |
| 22:05.56 | odla | iLLucionist, you can't expect to run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade every day without problems |
| 22:06.07 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: stop lying |
| 22:06.09 | odla | iLLucionist, well of course it happens...it's unstable software :D |
| 22:06.13 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: i said it doesn't happen FOR ME |
| 22:06.19 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: and it can be avoided |
| 22:06.27 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: ok sorry for the misunderstanding |
| 22:06.37 | sanabriamusic | i just seen tom the test friend from myspace on tv that shit was funn |
| 22:06.38 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: that was not my point |
| 22:06.45 | amphi | minerale: w3m doesn't seem to work ATM |
| 22:06.48 | odla | if you have apt-listbugs installed and don't forced updates then you'll be ok |
| 22:06.51 | sanabriamusic | he said to everyone stop calling him he cant help with the page |
| 22:06.52 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 22:06.55 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: i'm not a moron. it's been two/three years ago that i had a broke unstable |
| 22:07.14 | iLLucionist | odla: indeed |
| 22:07.22 | sanabriamusic | i'll be right back am gonna reboot |
| 22:07.25 | sanabriamusic | just in case |
| 22:07.26 | taylor | dvs: After loading sd_mod, removing the USB thumb drive, and re-inserting it, neither the end of dmesg or /var/log/messages reports a device that I recognize as mountable, only "new USB device 00:10.3-3, assigned address 5". |
| 22:07.27 | sanabriamusic | ok dv? |
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| 22:07.34 | dvs | sanabriamusic: nope |
| 22:07.35 | odla | iLLucionist, and don't upgrade during big changes |
| 22:07.39 | sanabriamusic | ok i'll stay here |
| 22:07.46 | dvs | sanabriamusic: you have to add the two modules that alsaconf added to /etc/modules |
| 22:07.47 | iLLucionist | odla: I know...i'm no noob damnit :P |
| 22:07.50 | taylor | dvs: I find myself wondering if 2.4 kernels support USB thumb drives. |
| 22:07.57 | iLLucionist | odla: i use unstable for four years now |
| 22:08.02 | dvs | taylor: I'd upgrade to 2.6 |
| 22:08.03 | iLLucionist | odla: except on servers |
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| 22:08.09 | odla | ok |
| 22:08.14 | sanabriamusic | let me know when ur ready |
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| 22:08.28 | iLLucionist | odla: on servers i have stable with backport for apache2 and php5 since my software requires that |
| 22:08.30 | dvs | sanabriamusic: i already told you what you had to do |
| 22:08.43 | sanabriamusic | how do i add them |
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| 22:08.54 | iLLucionist | odla: i work on a professional basis with deb...that's why i still stick with deb. it never dies, and when it does you'll get it fixed easily |
| 22:08.54 | taylor | dvs: I would, but another application depends on 2.4. |
| 22:08.57 | dvs | sanabriamusic: use a text editor |
| 22:09.03 | minerale | Ok, i'm on a school computer, someone's locked the main screen. I want to start a second x server, and it works fine (by ding X :2) but I can't start any programs, how can I start a second x server and launch firefox in it ? |
| 22:09.07 | dvs | taylor: Oh. ok. |
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| 22:09.15 | iLLucionist | odla: for as far as i've experience with it |
| 22:09.20 | sanabriamusic | i am new at this |
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| 22:09.40 | odla | iLLucionist, yeah i enjoy debian and it's derivates (not Ubuntu :D) |
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| 22:09.57 | iLLucionist | odla: No, indeed. what you think's wrong with ubu? |
| 22:10.08 | odla | iLLucionist, nothing is wrong with it...i just don't like it :D |
| 22:10.20 | iLLucionist | odla: ok, and why ya donna like it? |
| 22:10.31 | iLLucionist | odla: capriche |
| 22:10.34 | Hoxzer_ | !jfs |
| 22:10.34 | dpkg | methinks jfs is Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Check http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ It improved a lot performance-wise since 2003! Give it another try... Maybe worth it! |
| 22:10.34 | Hoxzer_ | oops |
| 22:10.40 | odla | iLLucionist, it has been disagreeable with my hardware in the past |
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| 22:10.54 | Hoxzer_ | is there any fs that would make one big drive out of multiple ide drives? |
| 22:11.02 | h3sp4wn | minerale: /usr/bin/X :1; DISPLAY=:1; /opt/e17/bin/enlightenment (try something like that) |
| 22:11.06 | iLLucionist | odla: it happens to be slow on my systems for no good reason |
| 22:11.15 | odla | iLLucionist, i like to use elive as my primarily desktop, cause i enjoy enlightenment |
| 22:11.25 | iLLucionist | odla: elive is sexy |
| 22:11.28 | iLLucionist | odla: i use evilwm |
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| 22:11.30 | dvs | sanabriamusic: lsmod | grep "snd.* 0 $" |
| 22:11.41 | iLLucionist | odla: since i am a sick pervert and like to get things as minimalistic as possible |
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| 22:12.01 | odla | iLLucionist, best thing about elive is that it's 100% compatible with debian and i can pull things in from testing with no worries |
| 22:12.02 | iLLucionist | odla: i use asm and not cp for copying files, if you catch my drift :P |
| 22:12.08 | iLLucionist | odla: cool |
| 22:12.25 | [cpio] | im using etch, trying to play .flv movie using totem-xine, but has no sound. then i install totem-gstreamer (and the -ffmpeg) but still no luck. can someone point me to the right direction, please.. |
| 22:12.50 | iLLucionist | .flv =? |
| 22:12.57 | [cpio] | flash movie |
| 22:12.59 | odla | [cpio], do you maybe need the ugly plugins in the marillat repositories? |
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| 22:13.16 | odla | [cpio], do you have flash installed :D |
| 22:13.27 | [cpio] | i've installed the ugly |
| 22:13.28 | [cpio] | oh |
| 22:13.41 | [cpio] | i think not :/ |
| 22:13.49 | [cpio] | ok brb |
| 22:13.50 | [cpio] | thx |
| 22:14.11 | sanabriamusic | ok i did that command |
| 22:14.11 | iLLucionist | anyone good ncurses/text based musplayer? |
| 22:14.23 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: opencubicplayer |
| 22:14.32 | odla | opencubicplayer is nice :D |
| 22:14.32 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: =in apt? |
| 22:14.33 | dvs | sanabriamusic: those are the modules that have to be added to your /etc/modules file |
| 22:14.36 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: yes |
| 22:14.38 | odla | ocp |
| 22:14.38 | h3sp4wn | iLLucionist: moc |
| 22:14.44 | odla | iLLucionist, it's ocp |
| 22:14.52 | xingu | Hoxzer: devicemapper or lvm; you're after one of the raid levels, or a straight concat, or some mixture. |
| 22:14.54 | sanabriamusic | ok |
| 22:15.02 | iLLucionist | oh moc, right |
| 22:15.03 | tarzeau | odla: ocp is the source package name and the binary program name |
| 22:15.08 | iLLucionist | know that one |
| 22:15.17 | minerale | h3sp4wn: thank you very much for that |
| 22:15.19 | odla | ah |
| 22:15.26 | iLLucionist | didn't knew what it stand for *_* |
| 22:15.29 | iLLucionist | stands |
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| 22:16.47 | novoe | how should I figure out what's wrong with my system when sounds are not working and I have no idea what I should do? |
| 22:16.51 | sanabriamusic | cd /etc/modules tells me is not a dir |
| 22:16.53 | sanabriamusic | uff |
| 22:17.01 | sanabriamusic | and its there listed |
| 22:17.02 | dvs | sanabriamusic: it's a file |
| 22:17.06 | odla | sanabriamusic, it isn't |
| 22:17.09 | sanabriamusic | oh ok duh |
| 22:17.12 | sanabriamusic | hol don |
| 22:18.24 | sanabriamusic | ok i added the lsmod | grep "snd.0 $" with the nano in the last line of modules file |
| 22:18.53 | dvs | sanabriamusic: there should be at least two of them: snd_pcm_oss and another one. |
| 22:19.03 | dvs | sanabriamusic: must snd_pcm_oss the last one |
| 22:19.11 | dvs | *make |
| 22:19.31 | sanabriamusic | so i put those as well? |
| 22:19.50 | dvs | sanabriamusic: No, there should be snd_pcm_oss and another one. What did you add? |
| 22:20.01 | sanabriamusic | none of those are there |
| 22:20.16 | dvs | when you did the lsmod | grep... ? |
| 22:20.19 | sanabriamusic | i added ismod |grep "snd.0 $" in the last line |
| 22:20.28 | dvs | nO |
| 22:20.32 | sanabriamusic | ok let me get it out |
| 22:20.38 | dvs | sanabriamusic: add the OUTPUT of lsmod | grep... |
| 22:20.49 | dvs | just the first word of each line |
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| 22:22.36 | sanabriamusic | i typed that and just went back to the prompt |
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| 22:23.06 | apfel | What program can I use to compress a movie file recorded with a webcam? |
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| 22:23.38 | iLLucionist | how do i disable module from boot? |
| 22:23.40 | odla | apfel, bunzip, gzip, zip, rar, xvid? |
| 22:24.41 | dvs | sanabriamusic: if lsmod | grep "snd.* 0 $" didn't output anything then alsaconf didn't work. You need a 2.6 kernel. |
| 22:24.46 | Kempston_ | when i copy file with cp or mv i get 100% cpu load and very slow speed |
| 22:24.46 | Kempston_ | whe i copy file with dd i get 2% cpu load and multiple times faster speed |
| 22:24.46 | Kempston_ | how can i fix my cp ? |
| 22:24.55 | sanabriamusic | ah |
| 22:25.13 | sanabriamusic | how do i go about to getting that |
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| 22:25.26 | dvs | sanabriamusic: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 22:25.57 | iLLucionist | apfel: how do you mean compress? |
| 22:26.03 | iLLucionist | apfel: as in reduce size? |
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| 22:26.20 | sanabriamusic | ok its getting it now |
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| 22:28.02 | apfel | iLLucionist: yes, exactly. but without using gzip/bzip2 etc. something like encoding with .avi .mpg or whatever. I don't know much about this |
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| 22:28.38 | xingu | apfel: if you can stomache non-dfsg-free and grotty user interfaces, "transcode" |
| 22:29.24 | xingu | apfel: in any case, the keyword for your further searching is transcoding which is what the video boyos call the process of foo to bar conversion |
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| 22:29.54 | sanabriamusic | ok i got the kernel |
| 22:29.59 | sanabriamusic | want me to repeat the steps? |
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| 22:30.04 | xingu | apfel: gstreamer can do a certain amount of it too if asked nicely |
| 22:30.05 | sanabriamusic | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.15 | iLLucionist | mocp is a sexy bitch |
| 22:30.17 | sanabriamusic | i can tell u as i do them |
| 22:30.25 | fs-a | any idea why xmms equializer in sid is doing nothing at all? |
| 22:30.28 | apfel | xingu: ok, thanks |
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| 22:31.09 | sanabriamusic | dvs: i will start by apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname r-) ok? |
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| 22:31.28 | dvs | sanabriamusic: nope, reboot |
| 22:31.33 | sanabriamusic | ok |
| 22:31.35 | sanabriamusic | brb |
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| 22:36.17 | fs-a | the xmms front page goes against debian users http://www.xmms.org/ |
| 22:36.23 | fs-a | who do they think they are |
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| 22:36.56 | fs-a | just because some debian policy exists, doesn't mean all debian users deserve humiliation |
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| 22:37.21 | sanabriamusic | sound server message error while initializing the sound driver device: default cant be opened |
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| 22:37.37 | sanabriamusic | will continue using null |
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| 22:38.41 | sanabriamusic | still no output with lsmod |
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| 22:38.46 | zombi | hi |
| 22:39.05 | zombi | anyone know if its possible to use a .bin/.cue file without burning it to a cd? |
| 22:39.19 | iLLucionist | mount <file> <location> perhaps? |
| 22:39.37 | [cpio] | oh, the audio stream not yet implemented in xine :/ |
| 22:39.39 | zombi | ummm no |
| 22:39.40 | Braindead | zombi: convert it to iso with bchunk,mount -o loop |
| 22:39.54 | zombi | how would i do it with bchunk? |
| 22:39.56 | sanabriamusic | dvs u here |
| 22:40.02 | iLLucionist | Braindead: thx, been looking for that also |
| 22:40.09 | Braindead | zombi: install it,rtfm,use bchunk |
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| 22:40.13 | Klowner | http://dugnet.com/klown/pics/iceweasel2.png huzzah for iceweasel |
| 22:40.21 | griff | hey guys...anyone here do a smbfs mount through fstab? |
| 22:40.32 | sanabriamusic | did dvs leave? |
| 22:40.35 | griff | for some reason, when I boot up, it doesn't mount the specified network path I setup |
| 22:40.50 | griff | I was able to move the network init script so that it loaded before the mounting script |
| 22:41.06 | sanabriamusic | ouch he left me halfway |
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| 22:42.46 | oldsam | hi, does anybody know where the $HOME-variable is defined? |
| 22:42.52 | Makenai | So.. iceweasel, huh? |
| 22:43.22 | xingu | oldsam: usually directly by your shell |
| 22:43.31 | Klowner | Makenai: not sure, but I saw iceweasel and thought it sounded cute, so I made an ice weasel.. |
| 22:44.04 | Makenai | Klowner: I haven't seen that - did you post it somewhere as a prospective branding? |
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| 22:44.14 | Klowner | Makenai: I just made it |
| 22:44.22 | Makenai | Ah ok, cool. |
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| 22:44.33 | oldsam | xingu: I mean there should be a config-file in /etc or something, right...? |
| 22:44.37 | crazy_penguin | Good night to everyone! |
| 22:44.44 | Klowner | not done yet though, if they wanted to use it they'd certainly be more than welcome |
| 22:44.59 | fs-a | after xmms going against all debian users on its front page i think it's time for some purging it and using kaffeine or sth |
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| 22:45.14 | zombi | well im doing bchunk <.bin> <.cue> <basename> and its doing nothing |
| 22:45.21 | sanabriamusic | does speaker-test stops on its own? |
| 22:45.23 | sanabriamusic | ouchie |
| 22:45.25 | sanabriamusic | :P |
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| 22:45.39 | xingu | oldsam: probably for consistancy, but $HOME is a fairly ancient construct |
| 22:45.42 | Makenai | There's always Red Panda too - which is a different name for a Firefox (animal). Maybe a bit wordy though. :) |
| 22:45.56 | Braindead | zombi: of course you're not using <.bin> and such,isn't it? |
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| 22:46.23 | zombi | im using "bchunk file.bin file.cue file.iso" |
| 22:46.31 | zombi | like the man page describes |
| 22:46.50 | Braindead | it just quits? |
| 22:47.00 | zombi | says "writing tracks" and quits |
| 22:47.04 | zombi | nothing is output |
| 22:47.19 | oldsam | xingu: ? ...the problem is that in my installation $HOME of root is "/" and I want it to be "/root" |
| 22:47.29 | zombi | the cue file is actually empty |
| 22:47.33 | zombi | maybe thats something to do with it? |
| 22:47.35 | Braindead | zombi: paste the content of the .cue file to ...ah |
| 22:47.45 | xingu | oldsam: change /etc/passwd then |
| 22:47.47 | zombi | so i dunno what to put in there now :/ |
| 22:47.48 | triptec | to change LANG, "set LANG = en_US"? |
| 22:48.04 | oldsam | xingu: already checked this in passwd it is correct |
| 22:48.05 | Xenguy | zombi: For annoying VCD/.bin/.cue image thingies, extract to .mpg with vcdxrip |
| 22:48.20 | iLLucionist | is there an alternative for ncurses to dev console software with gui? |
| 22:48.20 | Xenguy | zombi: I dunno if that helps, I just had this note to myself |
| 22:48.31 | xingu | oldsam: in that case there's something peculiar to your userspace that's doing it |
| 22:48.48 | xingu | oldsam: or, you didn't log out and back in again after changing it |
| 22:49.09 | zombi | Xenguy: doesnt come with debian? |
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| 22:49.47 | oldsam | xingu: yes, I think it is probably something peculiar, but I hoped there would be a generic conf-file for this |
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| 22:50.06 | _deepfire | are there etch packages for mips? |
| 22:50.32 | Braindead | zombi: if it's a (s)vcd image you could also try playing it with mplayer...it surely worked with some isos,dunno if mplayer eats .bin files |
| 22:50.45 | Xenguy | zombi: I'm looking - having trouble finding where it originates... |
| 22:50.52 | _deepfire | the ftp seems to only have i386 and amd64 |
| 22:51.04 | h3sp4wn | _deepfire: there are which mirror are you using |
| 22:51.14 | Xenguy | zombi: ahh, vcdimager is the package with that command |
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| 22:51.48 | _deepfire | h3sp4wn, ftp.XX.debian.org, where XX is a country code |
| 22:52.06 | _deepfire | ru, in this case |
| 22:52.28 | h3sp4wn | ftp.de.debian.org definately has all architectures |
| 22:52.36 | Xenguy | zombi: sample command/syntax: $ vcdxrip -vp -b ____.bin |
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| 22:53.01 | _deepfire | h3sp4wn, wow, weird |
| 22:53.13 | _deepfire | h3sp4wn, i just checked ftp.debian.org, and it doesn`t have them |
| 22:53.23 | _deepfire | h3sp4wn, but the DE does |
| 22:54.07 | h3sp4wn | I use either de or ftp.us.debian.org (the uk mirror seems pants at the moment) |
| 22:54.29 | _deepfire | how come the master ftp does not have all arches? |
| 22:55.16 | h3sp4wn | seems strange but it doesn't seem to |
| 22:55.58 | taylor | What's a good way to automount a USB drive with a 2.4 kernel? |
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| 22:56.57 | h0bbel | anyone know the name of a php5-mysqli package for etch? Can't find it. :/ |
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| 23:06.31 | mrzoom | Can i in someway tell apt-get to not use debsign... It gives me a lot of "Origin Signature check failed". (It under baseconfig) |
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| 23:11.00 | jadrifter | Hello, I'm looking for a how-to on setting up a laptop to use an external monitor when it's connected. Running Ubuntu Breezy on a Dell Inspiron 6000. ATI mobility R card. |
| 23:11.45 | odla | jadrifter, you'll need to ask #ubuntu for support |
| 23:11.46 | amphi | jadrifter: linux-laptop.net and/or tuxmobil.org, and or #ubuntu ;) |
| 23:12.05 | jadrifter | Thanks amphi. |
| 23:12.33 | jadrifter | odla, I went there first. No response. I've run debian a lot longer than Ubuntu (so to speak) so this was my next logical stop. |
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| 23:13.27 | xingu | jadrifter: surprised it doesn't just plug in and work |
| 23:13.34 | odla | jadrifter, you can also try a function key...that's all it takes with my lappy |
| 23:13.36 | Xenguy | jadrifter: some folks aren't too comfortable with Ubuntu questions here |
| 23:14.46 | jadrifter | xingu - I can do either or, but different resolutions means I have to reconfigure. I'm sure there's a way to set this up to switch back and forth but all I find on google are people having trouble with it. Not too experience with X. I'm just ignorant of that critical piece. |
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| 23:15.15 | xingu | jadrifter: are you using the ati drivers, and doesn't the control panel for deal? |
| 23:15.18 | jadrifter | Xenguy, yeah, debian was pretty comfy with the ivory tower position. Having the unwashed hordes show up for lunch was a shock. |
| 23:16.17 | jadrifter | xingu - I can change screen resolutions but not things like which monitor is active and refresh rates, etc. I've started modifying my xorg.conf file. Looks like a learning weekend. |
| 23:16.46 | jadrifter | odla - what function key? And can I get a copy of your xorg.conf file? |
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| 23:20.11 | n0rus | Help. Needed. I have a NAT. I can ping for example google.com but when I'm trying "telnet google.com 80", I get no reply on the client machine. How to allow this in iptables? |
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| 23:20.53 | Taube | n0rus: can you google with a browser? |
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| 23:21.05 | n0rus | there's no X on that machine |
| 23:21.16 | n0rus | I can try with links |
| 23:21.30 | n0rus | nope |
| 23:21.35 | n0rus | it hangs on "making connection" |
| 23:21.51 | Taube | n0rus: that you can ping google means, that your masquerade works - possibly a DROP/REJECT rule ? |
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| 23:22.09 | n0rus | Yeah, I need to allow this in iptables |
| 23:22.21 | n0rus | But I don't know how |
| 23:22.39 | Taube | n0rus: how did you allow the ping / ICMP? |
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| 23:22.54 | n0rus | No, I have nothing in "iptables -L" |
| 23:23.15 | Taube | n0rus: but you use iptables -L on your gateway? |
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| 23:23.37 | n0rus | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.100 |
| 23:23.43 | n0rus | that's all I entered in iptabes |
| 23:23.59 | Taube | n0rus: where? |
| 23:24.09 | n0rus | what where? |
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| 23:24.18 | n0rus | the IP masquerading works |
| 23:24.35 | n0rus | Now I need to allow incoming/outgoing traffic on tcp 80 |
| 23:24.40 | n0rus | on the client |
| 23:24.42 | Taube | n0rus: you are on your gateway directly connected to the internet? or do you use a gatweay? |
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| 23:24.59 | Taube | on the client? not on the firewall/gateway? |
| 23:25.11 | n0rus | The gateway has no problem to "telnet google.com 80" but the client gets no response |
| 23:25.18 | n0rus | on the client, yes |
| 23:25.21 | n0rus | the gw works fine |
| 23:25.29 | Taube | n0rus: i think your gateway blocks those packets |
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| 23:25.49 | n0rus | I know that it blocks the packets:P |
| 23:26.00 | n0rus | I'm asking you how to allow |
| 23:26.02 | twobitsprite | has anyone successfully run VMware workstation in debian? I'm having some problems... the setup script wants to compile a kernel module, but it says my kernel headers (2.6.16) don't match my running kernel (2.6.16-2-686)... any ideas? |
| 23:26.03 | Taube | n0rus: there are no rules? |
| 23:26.11 | n0rus | Taube: no rules yet |
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| 23:26.22 | Taube | n0rus: i dont believe you :p |
| 23:26.44 | n0rus | root@optiplex:~# iptables -L |
| 23:26.44 | n0rus | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 23:26.44 | n0rus | target prot opt source destination |
| 23:26.44 | n0rus | Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) |
| 23:26.44 | n0rus | target prot opt source destination |
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| 23:27.09 | n0rus | crap |
| 23:27.17 | Shadowcat | DON'T do that |
| 23:27.27 | n0rus | I won't |
| 23:27.29 | n0rus | sorry |
| 23:27.32 | Taube | n0rus: every message you type is sent to 654 other users |
| 23:27.37 | n0rus | Sorry |
| 23:28.14 | pinky | Hi, I want to statically assign my wireless card's IP address/subnet etc. but I only know the ESSID and MAC address of the wireless access point (DHCP is disabled on it). How should I go about finding the necessary configuration info to connect to this WAP? |
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| 23:28.34 | Taube | n0rus: well, try iptables -A FOWARD -j ACCEPT |
| 23:28.36 | n0rus | pinky: use rarp to find the IP |
| 23:28.55 | kingsley_ | Why wouldn't a USB drive mount when the hotplug package is installed? |
| 23:29.11 | n0rus | Taube: didn't help |
| 23:29.50 | pinky | n0rus: "rarp *MAC address*"? |
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| 23:30.12 | n0rus | pinky: you need to find the IP of the AP? |
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| 23:30.44 | pinky | n0rus: Yes. |
| 23:30.54 | urz | i would like to let a user use sudo to run any command, but for one certain command, i want to exempt him from supplying a password |
| 23:30.58 | pinky | The rarp command does work though. |
| 23:31.13 | n0rus | Taube: any other ideas? |
| 23:31.17 | Taube | n0rus: |
| 23:31.19 | Taube | n0rus: yess |
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| 23:31.33 | Taube | n0rus: moment |
| 23:31.37 | nynhjan | teststring |
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| 23:37.46 | twobitsprite | if I need the headers for the kernel I am currently running, what package should I install? |
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| 23:38.01 | dvs | twobitsprite: is it a debian kernel? |
| 23:38.04 | twobitsprite | yes |
| 23:38.06 | twobitsprite | from etch |
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| 23:38.18 | dvs | twobitsprite: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 23:38.24 | dvs | oops etch |
| 23:38.28 | dvs | twobitsprite: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 23:39.32 | twobitsprite | dvs: ahh... I was searching for "linux-source" not "linux-headers"... thanks |
| 23:39.41 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | How do I install RPM files? |
| 23:39.43 | dvs | you're welcome |
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| 23:40.49 | twobitsprite | dvs: yep, that did it, thanks again |
| 23:40.55 | dvs | no prob |
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| 23:41.29 | h3sp4wn | Inf3rn0_Laptop: alien (high probability of causing problems) - get a tar.gz or ideally a .deb |
| 23:42.10 | sanabriamusic | dvs when i finished setting up debian the first time i installed it told me that i can always go back to the configuration...do u know what is the command for this |
| 23:42.25 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | I know how. Thanks anyways |
| 23:42.26 | dvs | sanabriamusic: what configuration? |
| 23:42.35 | sanabriamusic | the main system configuration |
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| 23:42.46 | sanabriamusic | or setup |
| 23:42.49 | dvs | tasksel? |
| 23:43.00 | sanabriamusic | is that it |
| 23:43.09 | sanabriamusic | the sound didnt work |
| 23:43.11 | sanabriamusic | btw |
| 23:43.21 | dvs | I think that's it. |
| 23:43.36 | dvs | sanabriamusic: I bet the motherboard is too new for the kernel |
| 23:43.53 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Ok.. I don't know how -.- |
| 23:44.00 | sanabriamusic | hm a sony vaio pentium III? |
| 23:44.16 | dvs | sanabriamusic: Ok. That's not brand new |
| 23:44.20 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | I thought "rpm --install" but that is a non existant command :/ |
| 23:44.31 | tuv | i have two machines on two sites both running sshd (both behind wireless routers with port-forwarding setup). i can ssh from site 1 to site 2, but not the other way around. similarly, traceroute works from site 1, but not from site 2! i'm puzzled! |
| 23:44.31 | dvs | sanabriamusic: Are you using the new kernel at least? |
| 23:44.55 | sanabriamusic | i adquire the one u told me to the..... |
| 23:45.06 | dvs | sanabriamusic: and you ran alsaconf? |
| 23:45.06 | sanabriamusic | 2.6-686 |
| 23:45.12 | sanabriamusic | yeah |
| 23:45.19 | sanabriamusic | it said it was all ready |
| 23:45.20 | dvs | sanabriamusic: what does uname -r say? |
| 23:45.42 | sanabriamusic | hold on |
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| 23:47.08 | sanabriamusic | says linux thats it |
| 23:47.20 | dvs | sanabriamusic: you typed something wrong. |
| 23:47.27 | sanabriamusic | uname r- |
| 23:47.30 | sanabriamusic | yes |
| 23:47.34 | A300 | hello all |
| 23:47.35 | dvs | sanabriamusic: uname -r |
| 23:47.56 | Phuzion | Hey, I'm looking to make a webserver with Linux MySQL PHP and Apache, are there any preconfigured packages I can install for this on Debian? |
| 23:48.11 | sanabriamusic | it used to give a number but since u told me to get the other kernel now it says that |
| 23:48.16 | mrzoom | Hi i'm trying to install debian with ftp.de.debian.org amd64 mirror, but i have problem with debsign. I think base-config installs debsign-verify, but the packages on the mirror is not signed so apt will not install them. what shall i do? |
| 23:48.40 | dvs | sanabriamusic: what does it say exactly |
| 23:48.45 | A300 | I really borked my deb box this time, the login no longer shows the boxes hostname and it never gets past (none) login: ,never goes to a password entry, jsut returns to (none) Login: |
| 23:49.06 | Phuzion | A300: What did you do to make this happen? |
| 23:49.10 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | How do I change the server being connected to when installing packages? |
| 23:49.12 | sanabriamusic | when i type uname r- it says "linux" |
| 23:49.19 | sanabriamusic | without quotes |
| 23:49.40 | sanabriamusic | want me to get the kernel again? |
| 23:49.48 | dvs | that's not what I typed |
| 23:50.05 | sanabriamusic | u typed: uname r- |
| 23:50.06 | sanabriamusic | no? |
| 23:50.17 | dvs | sanabriamusic: uname -r |
| 23:50.22 | A300 | Phuzion, I am not 100% sure, I had just installed some packages for a compile i was doing |
| 23:50.28 | sanabriamusic | ah |
| 23:50.29 | sanabriamusic | duh |
| 23:50.32 | sanabriamusic | old age |
| 23:50.32 | twobitsprite | sanabriamusic: the vast majority of linux programs use a - _before_ the flag letter... thus "uname -r" is what you want |
| 23:50.33 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 23:50.58 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | I've never seen any program with the dash after the letter :/ |
| 23:51.00 | sanabriamusic | 2.6.8-686 |
| 23:51.18 | dvs | and you ran alsaconf after you rebooted? |
| 23:51.36 | sanabriamusic | yeah and it said it was ready to be used and said have lots of fun |
| 23:51.56 | dvs | sanabriamusic: lspci | grep snd_ |
| 23:52.01 | dvs | oops |
| 23:52.04 | dvs | sanabriamusic: lsmod | grep snd_ |
| 23:52.06 | twobitsprite | sanabriamusic: did you skip the "lots of fun" step? That's a very important one... :P |
| 23:52.43 | sanabriamusic | has alot of output |
| 23:52.56 | tuv | i have two machines on two sites both running sshd (both behind wireless routers with port-forwarding setup). i can ssh from site 1 to site 2, but not the other way around. similarly, traceroute site 2 works from site 1, but traceroute site 1 from site 2 doesn't! i'm puzzled! |
| 23:53.00 | dvs | sanabriamusic: just the ones with a 0 after them |
| 23:53.27 | sanabriamusic | ok |
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| 23:54.11 | sanabriamusic | debian:/home/sanabriamusic# lsmod | grep snd_ |
| 23:54.11 | sanabriamusic | snd_intel8x0 36460 0 |
| 23:54.12 | sanabriamusic | snd_ac97_codec 69988 1 snd_intel8x0 |
| 23:54.12 | sanabriamusic | snd_pcm_oss 55080 0 |
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| 23:54.36 | Shadowcat | Sunday lamathon in session |
| 23:54.39 | sanabriamusic | ouch |
| 23:54.58 | dvs | sanabriamusic: and you added "snd_intex8x0" and "snd_pcm_oss" at the end of the /etc/modules file? |
| 23:55.08 | sanabriamusic | no |
| 23:55.14 | sanabriamusic | i'll do that now |
| 23:55.15 | dvs | sanabriamusic: do it |
| 23:55.28 | tuv | hmm.. actually traceroute doesn't complete from either site! |
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| 23:58.22 | sanabriamusic | ok |
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| 23:59.09 | dvs | sanabriamusic: type "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" and hit enter |
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| 23:59.34 | ajt | what is the dpkg command to restore config files to their orginal state |
| 23:59.37 | ajt | IIRC this can be done |
| 23:59.44 | iLLucionist | Sicksy. |
