| 00:00.15 | jelly-home | eth1r: 255.255.255.0 is ok. |
| 00:00.21 | _ph00 | suddupe ebru labadon?!? geez! this is a FASCIST channel. guerin was the abusive guy not ebru! |
| 00:00.23 | eth1r | jelly-home:thanks |
| 00:00.26 | _ph00 | you guys suck! |
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| 00:00.39 | Guerin | !customer |
| 00:00.40 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 00:00.53 | Ebru_Labadon | make that 2 |
| 00:00.53 | abrotman | dan2: i was at dinner with my dad .. what's up ? |
| 00:00.56 | enouf | Kicks b0z0 in tha$$ on his way out |
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| 00:03.06 | jelly-home | Guerin: you could show some restaint though, the !customer part was just nasty. |
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| 00:03.35 | Guerin | jelly-home: he called us fascists. That's an insult to everyone who lived through world war 2. |
| 00:03.52 | Guerin | jelly-home: incidentally, it's also what I'm doing my MA on next year. |
| 00:03.53 | jelly-home | Guerin: he called you one. :-P |
| 00:04.15 | Guerin | jelly-home: he said this was a fascist channel. he even used CAPS! |
| 00:04.20 | Guerin | quelle horreur! |
| 00:05.06 | beardy | "nasty" hohoho.. |
| 00:05.09 | jelly-home | well, and you had to prove him right? |
| 00:05.28 | abrotman | no! |
| 00:05.43 | enouf | Guerin: IMO .. you were too kind ... but whatever |
| 00:05.45 | Guerin | jelly-home: yeah ... because any of that was fascist. |
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| 00:09.47 | jelly-home | Guerin: who cares about the particular word? You did imply idiotism on a user's part without a real excuse, and told off another user behind his back. It's not fascist, but it bloody well is elitist and arrogant. |
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| 00:10.08 | libertad0 | saludos denuevo |
| 00:10.14 | libertad0 | he instalado los drivers de nvidia |
| 00:10.23 | libertad0 | pero cuando la x se intenta lanzar |
| 00:10.33 | libertad0 | me dice que nvidia y glx no es un modulo |
| 00:10.38 | libertad0 | alguien tiene alguna idea |
| 00:10.38 | libertad0 | ยก? |
| 00:10.40 | jelly-home | !es |
| 00:10.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:10.44 | Guerin | jelly-home: i provided a perfectly good reason for my charge of idiocy, and I didn't tell anyone off. |
| 00:11.36 | libertad0 | dpkg: I had installed nvidia package but the log show "nvidia and glx is not a module" |
| 00:11.37 | dpkg | libertad0: I think you lost me on that one |
| 00:11.48 | libertad0 | -_ |
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| 00:12.29 | eth1r | libertad0: dpkg is a bot |
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| 00:12.33 | amphi | dpkg: what are you? |
| 00:12.33 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 00:12.42 | libertad0 | lol |
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| 00:13.46 | jelly-home | Guerin: the user was looking for a way to access a flash9 site. He didn't exactly say that he could or couldn't do without it. Still, you called him an idiot just for trying to do it. |
| 00:14.36 | Guerin | jelly-home: really, trying to run complex software like flash in emulation is *stupid*. It's using a knife for a screwdriver: great way to runi your knife and not get your screw undone. |
| 00:15.22 | Guerin | aside from which it's explicitly not supportable in #debian |
| 00:15.23 | jelly-home | Guerin: why not tell that the next time instead of calling an unknown person an idiot. |
| 00:16.04 | Guerin | jelly-home: the very first thing I told him was to use the right tool for the job. |
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| 00:17.34 | rockstar_ | Guerin, emulation is generally a bad idea, unless it's not supported, then you have no choice. |
| 00:17.43 | libertad0 | I cant load the nvidia module and glx |
| 00:17.44 | libertad0 | someone? |
| 00:18.02 | jelly-home | Guerin: in so many words, yes. |
| 00:18.06 | Guerin | yeah, emulation in general is a pain in the arse, and you're usually better off just running the damn thing as it was intended to run |
| 00:18.20 | Guerin | and win'e not even emulation, it's much more half-arsed |
| 00:18.21 | th0ger | Hi. In bash is there some command like 'read' that only checks if there are more lines(peeks) |
| 00:18.33 | abrotman | maybe ask #bash |
| 00:18.40 | jelly-home | Crossover is very smooth though. |
| 00:18.52 | beardy | Wine is not an emulator. |
| 00:19.02 | Guerin | crossover is proprietary, which makes it a waste of time on another level. |
| 00:19.13 | jelly-home | I'm all for making things work. |
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| 00:19.29 | Guerin | I'm all for making things *good*. |
| 00:19.59 | libertad0 | Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
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| 00:20.19 | jelly-home | eh, between theoretically good, and practically working, I'll choose the latter. |
| 00:20.19 | Guerin | libertad0: you didn't do what I told you. Go and do it, or, again, Just Run Windows |
| 00:20.52 | libertad0 | Guerin: ignore me |
| 00:21.30 | Guerin | jkoh, no, I want things to be practically good. I don't support crossover, wine, etc because I would prefer that software vendors make their software available truly cross-platform, instead of thinking 'oh, we don't need to make portable software, since people will just be able to run it in wine' |
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| 00:22.12 | Guerin | jelly-home: effectively they subsidise software developers' dev time with their own. I can see why they want paid for it, hence crossover being payware, but I can't support it. |
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| 00:23.20 | jmd | Can anyone tell me why all of a sudden, xbiff in etch displays a bunk bed instead of the traditional mailbox? |
| 00:23.21 | jelly-home | Guerin: If I have things to do now, I'll choose the tools that let me do it. For some I might bite the bullet and not do at all, and for others I'll use all the proprietary stuff I need, if nothing else to feed myself. |
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| 00:23.30 | amphi | jmd: heh |
| 00:23.46 | Guerin | jelly-home: I suppose that's the distinction: I don't work in computers. |
| 00:24.46 | reanjr | I prefer having a Windows box and a Linux box. Much better than trying to kludge one into the other. Or dual boot. Or having a Windows RDP server and a Linux ssh/X server |
| 00:25.14 | jelly-home | reanjr: heh, I have a single machine. |
| 00:25.18 | Guerin | I just run free software on everything. |
| 00:25.24 | abrotman | reanjr: not everyone is rich like you! |
| 00:26.43 | reanjr | well, that's why I said dual boot |
| 00:26.44 | Guerin | # vrms |
| 00:26.45 | Guerin | No non-free packages installed on vadreas! rms would be proud. |
| 00:27.03 | Guerin | rms, too |
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| 00:30.07 | rockstar_ | Is there a command I can call to show me all the currently set environment variables? |
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| 00:30.54 | ChrisWhite | env |
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| 00:31.41 | rockstar_ | ChrisWhite, thanks. |
| 00:32.07 | abrotman | and/or set |
| 00:32.07 | jmd | How do I report a bug in the bugreport package? |
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| 00:32.38 | andreiutz | Hi ! i installed flash player 7.0 needed to run "LinuxCBT Debian" Cd(debian tutorial) . But the sound is very distorted . I booted with knoppix to see if the problem is present given the same conditions and in knoppix it worked fine . what could be the problem ? |
| 00:33.01 | andreiutz | maybe sound codecs ? libs ?? i am a noob |
| 00:33.40 | abrotman | jmd: email client |
| 00:33.44 | sprink | is it normal to have lots of packages being held back when updating in testing? (I don't know if it's normal cause I've never used anything except stable) |
| 00:33.49 | Guerin | andreiutz: anything which requires flash to run is *nothing whatsoever* to do with debian |
| 00:34.00 | abrotman | jmd: if oyu go to bugs.debian.org ... it lists ways to report a bug |
| 00:34.09 | Guerin | sprink: yes. /msg dpkg kept back |
| 00:34.11 | rockstar_ | andreiutz, it's probably a library || codec problem |
| 00:34.40 | andreiutz | rockstar_, and how do i find what is the problem ? any ideas pls |
| 00:34.49 | andreiutz | Guerin, what do you mean |
| 00:34.49 | andreiutz | ? |
| 00:35.04 | abrotman | he's saying that debian wouldn't create a flash based CBT |
| 00:35.17 | sprink | Guerin, ty |
| 00:35.38 | Guerin | unless it's gnash or something |
| 00:35.57 | abrotman | gnash is new |
| 00:36.03 | rockstar_ | andreiutz, Well, I'm not really sure. You see, just last night I put kubuntu on my laptop (I'm a Debian user), and I'm not sure what packages Ubuntu installs by default yet. |
| 00:36.25 | andreiutz | http://www.linuxcbt.com/products_linuxcbt_debian_edition.php |
| 00:36.46 | Guerin | andreiutz: do other sound programs work normally? |
| 00:36.54 | andreiutz | Guerin, yes |
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| 00:37.02 | Guerin | !nmfp |
| 00:37.03 | dpkg | nmfp is probably Not My Fucking Problem |
| 00:37.14 | rockstar_ | Since I don't have my debian box nearby, I can't really take a look. |
| 00:37.14 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:37.16 | Guerin | Price: $295 |
| 00:37.19 | Guerin | HAHAHA |
| 00:37.27 | Guerin | stricktly for suckas |
| 00:37.34 | reanjr | andreiutz first of all is your sound distorted when playing things like wav/mp3? If both have a problem, its probably sound driver related (or at least somewhat low level), if only mp3 has a problem, it might be a codec issue (not sure how mp3 is decoded on Linux usually), if neither has a problem, it's probably a Flash issue. |
| 00:37.40 | rockstar_ | andreiutz, It might also be a buffer size on your sound card settings |
| 00:37.46 | Guerin | no |
| 00:37.49 | rockstar_ | But changing that depends on the app. |
| 00:37.50 | Guerin | sound card is working fine |
| 00:38.01 | rockstar_ | andreiutz, sarge? |
| 00:38.03 | Guerin | only flash is causing problems, so I'd say it's flash's fault |
| 00:38.07 | andreiutz | reanjr, no . other sound aplications work fine |
| 00:38.14 | andreiutz | rockstar_, yes , sarge |
| 00:38.17 | Guerin | hence, not our problem. Complain to macradobemedia |
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| 00:38.28 | reanjr | andreiutz, k sorry I started typing before I saw that message from you. |
| 00:39.00 | rockstar_ | I'd probably go with what Guerin says. It's probably a flash problem. |
| 00:39.33 | andreiutz | rockstar_, yes but i tried with knoppix and it works |
| 00:39.55 | andreiutz | i booted knoppix , installed flash player 7 and the sound were ok |
| 00:40.07 | andreiutz | the problem is on my sarge |
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| 00:40.49 | reanjr | it's likely the way Flash is configured on your machine |
| 00:40.57 | abrotman | andreiutz: where did you get this CBT ? |
| 00:41.18 | andreiutz | how can i check if the soundcard buffer is set ok , or sound codec lib ? |
| 00:41.21 | rockstar_ | andreiutz, yeah, but that's like saying "This gas doesn't work in my Audi, but it works in a Volkswagen..." It's close to the same thing, but lots of differences under the hood. |
| 00:41.24 | andreiutz | abrotman, what do you mean |
| 00:41.24 | andreiutz | ? |
| 00:41.44 | abrotman | andreiutz: you said you got a Debian CBT .. where'd you get it ? |
| 00:41.57 | Guerin | abrotman: he gave the link |
| 00:42.03 | andreiutz | abrotman, http://www.linuxcbt.com/products_linuxcbt_debian_edition.php |
| 00:42.06 | abrotman | ah |
| 00:42.23 | abrotman | oh .. i missed it .. but now i see why guerin was making fun :) |
| 00:42.25 | andreiutz | Guerin, rockstar_ nut any suggestions to check ? |
| 00:42.26 | Guerin | that cd pack cost more than my computer. |
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| 00:42.40 | Guerin | andreiutz: i suggest you contact the vendor. This is not a debian problem. |
| 00:42.41 | abrotman | did you really pay for that ? |
| 00:42.53 | abrotman | you'd think they'd make it work with flash7 :) |
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| 00:43.28 | andreiutz | abrotman, actually yes |
| 00:44.15 | andreiutz | Guerin, you mean that i should contact macromedia ? |
| 00:44.15 | abrotman | would it be wrong to laugh? :) |
| 00:44.22 | beardy | !pal CBT, and that thing in particular |
| 00:44.26 | abrotman | andreiutz: you should contact the people you bought it from |
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| 00:44.55 | andreiutz | abrotman, you seem not to see things |
| 00:45.22 | andreiutz | i sayd eralier that it works on knoppix |
| 00:45.23 | abrotman | andreiutz: did you say something ? |
| 00:45.29 | andreiutz | and on windows |
| 00:45.33 | reanjr | andreiutz how did you install Flash? |
| 00:45.37 | abrotman | andreiutz: which version of flash does knoppix use? and which is debian using ? |
| 00:46.39 | andreiutz | reanjr, ./flashplayer-installer |
| 00:46.58 | andreiutz | abrotman, i installed the same version on both systems |
| 00:47.21 | reanjr | ok, so you d/led it from Adobe, not from Debian's packages then. |
| 00:47.31 | abrotman | andreiutz: both using FF ? |
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| 00:48.00 | andreiutz | reanjr, yes i downloaded the flashplayer |
| 00:48.03 | reanjr | do you know the CBT requires version 7? |
| 00:48.11 | reanjr | or might you try to use 6? |
| 00:48.33 | andreiutz | reanjr, i do not know if version 7 is a must |
| 00:48.44 | andreiutz | how can i try an eralier version |
| 00:48.44 | andreiutz | ? |
| 00:48.52 | andreiutz | abrotman, what is FF ? |
| 00:48.56 | abrotman | FireFox |
| 00:48.58 | reanjr | I would try installing version 6 through apt-get install ...whatever_the_package_name_is_called... |
| 00:49.04 | andreiutz | abrotman, yes |
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| 00:49.15 | abrotman | !flash |
| 00:49.16 | dpkg | i heard flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 00:50.04 | reanjr | ok, its "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 00:50.32 | andreiutz | reanjr, how doi uninstall the version 7 ? |
| 00:50.50 | reanjr | if there is an uninstaller for the Adobe one, I would try running that first. Otherwise I wouldn't worry too much, try the Debian apt-get and see what happens |
| 00:51.07 | reanjr | if it fails at that point, you can worry about uninstalling version 7 |
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| 00:52.01 | us2 | how can i make my system use gcc-3.4 instead of 3.3? |
| 00:52.14 | abrotman | update the symlink |
| 00:52.25 | us2 | how do i do that? |
| 00:52.28 | stew | us2: export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 |
| 00:52.39 | abrotman | i asusmed he meant permanently |
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| 00:52.58 | us2 | stew: oh yeah, it's me again |
| 00:53.07 | us2 | stew: i just finished compiling my kernel |
| 00:53.13 | stew | us2: its still the same answer as last time :) |
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| 00:53.28 | us2 | stew: now it says 3.3 when i do /proc/version |
| 00:53.32 | stew | abrotman: no, he wants to compile ndiswrapper |
| 00:53.49 | stew | us2: then export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3-3 |
| 00:53.49 | us2 | even though i did: export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 |
| 00:53.52 | hesco | My attempts to use chown g+s <directory> is failing to setgid on the target. What numeric argument sets that setgid bit with the chmod command? |
| 00:53.52 | abrotman | how'd you know that?! |
| 00:53.54 | us2 | before i compile my kernel |
| 00:54.46 | us2 | stew: any clue? |
| 00:54.59 | stew | us2: are you actually running the kernel you compiled? |
| 00:55.07 | stew | are 3.3 and 3.4 not binary compatible? |
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| 00:55.20 | us2 | stew: yes, im running 2.6.18 |
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| 00:55.30 | abrotman | hesco: chmod ? |
| 00:55.47 | us2 | stew: what do you mean not binary compatible |
| 00:55.48 | us2 | ? |
| 00:55.54 | abrotman | the ABI changed |
| 00:55.57 | stew | i just spent 5 hours dealing with house wiring that must have been done by someone with part of their brain missing, i'm probably not in the right mood |
| 00:56.27 | hesco | abrotman: yes, chmod 755 is the same as chmod a+rx,u+w, right? |
| 00:56.32 | abrotman | stew: i blame pseubodot |
| 00:56.45 | SkareCrow | anyone here any good with apache and mod-security? |
| 00:56.46 | abrotman | hesco: i meant use chmod instead of chown |
| 00:56.49 | us2 | anyway, what's the other way to do it abrotman |
| 00:56.49 | hesco | so what would be the equivalent for chmod g+ws? |
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| 00:57.12 | abrotman | us2: what are you trying to do ? |
| 00:57.16 | eth1r | hesco: chmod 4xxx |
| 00:57.25 | hesco | Sorry, that was a typo. I am using chmod. |
| 00:57.25 | eth1r | hesco: or 1xxx i forget |
| 00:57.29 | us2 | abrotman: compile ndiswrapper |
| 00:57.35 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 00:57.36 | dpkg | well, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 00:57.40 | us2 | abrotman: it requires 3.4 gcc |
| 00:57.48 | us2 | lol |
| 00:57.53 | us2 | fuck the one-liner |
| 00:57.55 | hesco | eth1r: thanks, I'll try that |
| 00:57.58 | us2 | i tried that like 3333333333x already |
| 00:57.59 | abrotman | then you're on your own |
| 00:58.02 | abrotman | ask #ndiswrapper |
| 00:58.22 | abrotman | us2: cat /proc/version |
| 00:58.31 | us2 | it says 3.3 compiled |
| 00:58.36 | abrotman | us2: cat /proc/version |
| 00:58.48 | us2 | Linux version 2.6.18 (root@haterproof) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 PREEMPT Sun Oct 1 05:20:05 EDT 2006 |
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| 00:59.08 | abrotman | so you compiled your own kernel .. refuse to use m-a ... and you want us to help you ? |
| 00:59.41 | us2 | i don't know how to use m-a, i read the manual and still don't get it |
| 00:59.48 | abrotman | it just told you above! |
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| 01:00.41 | us2 | that one-liner?? |
| 01:00.45 | hesco | Well, I've tried chmod 1775 (gives me drwxrwxr-t); 2775 (drwxrwxr-x); 4775 (drwsrwxr-x) |
| 01:00.53 | us2 | i didn't work, i just tried it 6 seconds ago |
| 01:00.57 | hesco | I'me running out of ideas here |
| 01:01.24 | abrotman | us2: what's the error ? |
| 01:01.33 | us2 | hold on, let me run it again |
| 01:02.12 | eth1r | hesco: you sure? 2775 gimmes drwxrwsr-x |
| 01:03.03 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 01:03.03 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Permissions |
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| 01:06.17 | andreiutz | reanjr, it didn't want to install it because it already is the newest version |
| 01:06.42 | hesco | eth1r: [02:55:55]<bcsimm@www1:~/mailman> chmod 2775 . |
| 01:06.56 | hesco | yields: drwxrwxr-x 2 bcsimm bcsimm 144 Oct 1 14:37 . |
| 01:07.11 | hesco | Confuses the hell out of me . . . |
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| 01:11.47 | uski | hi, I have a very annoying locale problem. When I run "locale", everything is fine (en_US and UTF-8), but if i do setxkbmap -v 10, i get "locale is C"... how can I match the X server locale and the system locale ? |
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| 01:13.14 | us2 | abrotman: ill be back |
| 01:13.37 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:14.10 | uski | i've done that, and selected the en_US and en_GB (both UTF-8) locales. no error. i rebooted, and still the same :_ |
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| 01:14.20 | uski | i can do it again just to be sure |
| 01:14.54 | abrotman | which did you pick as a default ? |
| 01:15.06 | reanjr | andreiutz: I'm afraid I'm not sure how to go about removing it. You could try apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree, but I don't expect that to work. I would contact the CBT support. They should know exactly what needs to be done to get their software working. |
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| 01:15.19 | uski | abrotman: en_US, and it matches what i get with "locale" |
| 01:15.33 | itguru | I'm having a small problem - I have a spare 30 gig partition on my system, which I was going to use for a diffrent OS, but I'm didn'tget round to it. So, instead, I want to mount that space in one of my users directories, as in /home/$user/videofiles/ to free up space for the other users |
| 01:15.42 | itguru | i mounted the partition mount -t auto /dev/sda4 /home/$user/newdirectory and the mount didn't give any error msgs, it's when I tried to move files over, I don't have access to it, how can I rectify this? |
| 01:15.58 | abrotman | itguru: perms on the mount point ? |
| 01:16.10 | abrotman | uski: that should do it afaik |
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| 01:16.21 | vulture_ | perms on the mount command itself, presumably - the mount point perms don't matter once you've mounted.. so far as I know |
| 01:16.57 | itguru | that's what I thought - i didn't think the mount point permissions mattered, otherwise, how would the home directory work? |
| 01:17.00 | vulture_ | umask/gmask/uid/gid mount parameters are generally what to look for (but it's fs specific, so refer to the mount man page) |
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| 01:17.28 | itguru | the user that is going to need write access, is the user that created the mount point |
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| 01:18.36 | freeone3000 | Does anyone have nVidia binary drivers working with KDE and the latest unstable x that arn't beta? I'm having problems with another app. |
| 01:19.13 | uski | abrotman, if you want to see what I get, check http://ace.pastey.net/1249 |
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| 01:19.26 | beware | hi |
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| 01:19.55 | abrotman | uski: maybe it doesn't understand anything other than C ? which would seem pretty odd |
| 01:20.11 | uski | well yes |
| 01:20.12 | beware | mc doesnt work anymore for me. i start it, and it just hangs doing nothing until i ^C |
| 01:20.25 | beware | no output of any kind |
| 01:20.27 | uski | actually my main problem is that i can't configure my keyboard, and i only suppose that this is related to the locales problem |
| 01:20.34 | uski | but perhaps it's unrelated |
| 01:20.39 | SubSz | Hey how to fix this error? |
| 01:20.40 | SubSz | perl e.txt |
| 01:20.41 | SubSz | Can't locate HTTP/Request.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at e.txt line 33. |
| 01:20.41 | SubSz | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at e.txt line 33. |
| 01:20.53 | abrotman | !tell SubSz about search |
| 01:20.54 | uski | SubSz: install the module |
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| 01:21.11 | SubSz | what module oO |
| 01:21.18 | uski | HTTP/Request.pm |
| 01:21.33 | abrotman | gheq1 |
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| 01:21.46 | abrotman | gqh |
| 01:21.50 | abrotman | chqnge it bqck1 |
| 01:22.18 | abrotman | uski: you suck :: it totqlly zhqcked ,y keyboqrd1 |
| 01:22.27 | uski | abrotman, enter setxkbmap en |
| 01:22.32 | abrotman | tried thqt |
| 01:22.37 | uski | lmao |
| 01:22.39 | uski | sh |
| 01:22.41 | uski | ** |
| 01:22.46 | uski | what did you enter ? |
| 01:22.47 | abrotman | Error loading new keyboard description |
| 01:22.51 | uski | LOL this is what i get |
| 01:22.58 | ArrenLex | Pwned xPP |
| 01:23.12 | uski | there must be a bug ... if i'm not the only one who has an error |
| 01:23.16 | abrotman | ah .. got it |
| 01:23.21 | abrotman | i used 'us' instead |
| 01:23.26 | uski | abrotman, :) |
| 01:23.39 | abrotman | thank goodness i could find the u and the s :) |
| 01:23.51 | uski | they are in the same position ;) |
| 01:23.55 | uski | (fortunately=) |
| 01:23.59 | uski | (next time, try dvorak) |
| 01:24.07 | uski | :) |
| 01:24.29 | abrotman | no freaking way |
| 01:24.38 | abrotman | uski: anyways .. mine does the same C thing |
| 01:24.42 | uski | hmmm ok |
| 01:24.52 | uski | so i think that the problem is not locale-related |
| 01:25.07 | uski | (thanks for the experiment ;)) |
| 01:25.11 | abrotman | 32Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property |
| 01:25.13 | abrotman | what is that? |
| 01:25.21 | SubSz | uski, i dont found this module ;/ |
| 01:25.27 | abrotman | and yours doesn't like fr either |
| 01:25.41 | uski | well, no idea; i have read that "this is an internal X server property, and it is supposed to be set by setxkbmap when it sets the keyboard layout" |
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| 01:26.02 | uski | abrotman, well if i do setxkbmap us it doesn't work any better |
| 01:26.07 | beet0l | how is bluetooth support under linux these days? |
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| 01:26.27 | abrotman | !bluetooth |
| 01:26.27 | dpkg | bluetooth is probably , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
| 01:26.35 | uski | seems like my xkb definitions are fck** up or something, but i don't know how to check; i've tried apt-get --reinstall install xkb but it did not help |
| 01:26.42 | abrotman | uski: maybe you're missing a package ? |
| 01:27.11 | beet0l | abrotman, thanks but that wasnt what i was asking :) |
| 01:27.28 | abrotman | beet0l: i think it depends on the device eh? |
| 01:27.46 | SubSz | !HTTP/Request.pm |
| 01:27.49 | SubSz | oO |
| 01:27.49 | uski | abrotman, hmm i've got an idea, wait |
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| 01:28.01 | beet0l | keyboard/mouse drivers would be my primary concern |
| 01:28.22 | uski | ok, doesn't work (there are two mutually exclusives packages, xkb-data and xkb-data-legacy, i switched from one to another but it didn't help) |
| 01:28.44 | SkareCrow | screw this im jumping on a VPN to get help in #apache |
| 01:29.00 | SkareCrow | banned for using the word "leet" |
| 01:29.05 | abrotman | SubSz: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search Request.pm |
| 01:29.38 | uski | is file descriptor number 3 a standard one ? like stdout, stderr, ... |
| 01:29.47 | uski | i'm stracing setxkbmap (...) |
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| 01:30.45 | sprink | I had compiled my kernel before, just for the experience, but now I want to go back to precompiled kernels so I dont have to recompile it everytime for new kernel versions |
| 01:30.54 | sprink | but aptitude wont exactly let me install a new kernel |
| 01:31.08 | abrotman | why not? |
| 01:31.34 | uski | hmm ok, FD number 3 is a socket, probably the xserver socket. setxkbmap reports the error immediatly after doing a read on this socket so i think that it is the x server that reports the error. i have to find a way to make the xserver generate a lot of logs... |
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| 01:32.59 | SubSz | oO |
| 01:32.59 | SubSz | ok |
| 01:33.29 | SubSz | abrotman, apt-get is taking all from a CD how i change to FTP ? |
| 01:33.36 | abrotman | apt-setup |
| 01:33.50 | uski | (abrotman you're too fast :P) |
| 01:33.54 | abrotman | i am? |
| 01:34.06 | uski | yea i just start typing the answer and you say it |
| 01:34.10 | abrotman | uski: any kind of bug in the BTS ? |
| 01:34.21 | uski | BTS ? |
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| 01:34.39 | uski | google says Bureau of Transportation Statistics, but i think it's something else |
| 01:34.59 | abrotman | !bts |
| 01:34.59 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 01:35.10 | uski | ah, good idea |
| 01:35.50 | uski | but my system is, err, quite modified so perhaps the bug comes from here. Anyway I will not submit a bug report because of this. |
| 01:35.58 | uski | (xgl, ...) |
| 01:36.12 | abrotman | debian doesn't have xgl |
| 01:36.30 | uski | yes i know :P |
| 01:36.35 | uski | thus the "quite modified" :P |
| 01:36.50 | uski | i did things correctly, at least i suppose, but it may come from here |
| 01:37.08 | uski | (may ? must ... o:)) |
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| 01:38.48 | sid | If I'm on sid, and I have the linux-image-2.6.18-1-686 kernel installed on my P4 laptop, and my laptop has hyperthreading... |
| 01:38.53 | sid | Will the hyperthreading be used? |
| 01:39.05 | uski | ...that is the question. |
| 01:39.07 | uski | (sorry) |
| 01:39.31 | uski | (it's late here, i've spent 2 hours trying to solve a problem, i just try to have some fun) |
| 01:39.56 | abrotman | sid: you need the -smp kernel |
| 01:40.19 | abrotman | uski: i'm not sure why it's even a problem |
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| 01:40.58 | uski | well, my keyboard is a 105 keys so some keys doesn't work including meta-alt (alt gr) so I can't enter some chars including the vertical bar (pipe) or the at (for the emails) |
| 01:41.10 | sid | abrotman: There is no kernel for 2.6.18 in sid right now |
| 01:41.11 | uski | no greps, no emails, ... rather annoying :) |
| 01:41.20 | abrotman | sid: yes there is |
| 01:41.31 | abrotman | sid: oh wait .. it failed to build .. |
| 01:41.51 | sid | abrotman: linux-image-2.6-686-smp is the highest one |
| 01:42.01 | abrotman | that's a metapackage |
| 01:42.12 | abrotman | sid: install that |
| 01:42.13 | sid | I've had sid on my laptop for many years. And I've collected some cruft. |
| 01:42.34 | abrotman | it had failed to build last week |
| 01:42.47 | abrotman | sid: install that package |
| 01:42.47 | sid | Has anyone installed sid+gnome lately, and that's about it. And can show me their dpkg -al; so I can compare with mine and purge some old cruft |
| 01:42.49 | abrotman | how does someone run sid and not know about that pacakge ... |
| 01:42.51 | sid | I have lots of packages I've acquired that I don't use anymore. |
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| 01:47.30 | uski | SubSz: you're welcome :) ... |
| 01:47.30 | idealcomet | ่ซๅoctave่ผธๅบ็ๅๅฝขๆชๅฏไปฅ็จไป้บผ็จๅผ้ๅ๏ผ |
| 01:47.42 | uski | idealcomet, what ? |
| 01:47.51 | uski | english please |
| 01:48.27 | idealcomet | how can i see the picture of octave |
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| 01:49.41 | dendrite | idealcomet: octaviz or octplot ? |
| 01:49.58 | idealcomet | gunplot |
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| 01:50.44 | idealcomet | i installed octaviz and octplot |
| 01:51.02 | idealcomet | but i dont hown how to use that |
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| 01:52.15 | dendrite | idealcomet: Look for the documentation, I guess. |
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| 01:53.14 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:53.15 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:53.16 | freeone3000 | Hey, I could read his font! |
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| 01:53.27 | freeone3000 | But not the jap ones. |
| 01:53.51 | idealcomet | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.22 | idealcomet | but i can find a software to read it |
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| 01:54.45 | freeone3000 | That's postscript. |
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| 01:54.55 | amphi | idealcomet: gv for one |
| 01:55.16 | idealcomet | amphi: ? |
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| 01:55.23 | freeone3000 | `gv` |
| 01:55.36 | idealcomet | what is gv? |
| 01:55.58 | freeone3000 | A program to view postscrpit. |
| 01:56.00 | freeone3000 | *script. |
| 01:56.10 | idealcomet | oh |
| 01:56.26 | idealcomet | let me try |
| 01:58.02 | idealcomet | how to use gv to read xxx,ps? |
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| 01:58.44 | dendrite | idealcomet: gv xxx.ps |
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| 02:00.48 | libertad0 | I am trying glxinfo but that show "Segmentation fault", someone help me? |
| 02:00.51 | genioreal | anyone knows a good Hard Drive Data Recovery Software that runs on LINUX? |
| 02:01.00 | amphi | idealcomet: I like the -spartan option |
| 02:01.30 | idealcomet | dendrite: i cannot read nothing |
| 02:01.44 | idealcomet | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.48 | DaveyB` | I want to install Java Eclipse, I am currently using Debian ETCH and when I look at my packages all I have are: docbook-xsl, ecj-bootstrap, ecj-bootstrap-gcj, libgcj6-src, libgcj7-src, openoffice.org-dev, simh and steallarium. So I was wondering if anyone knows what I need to add to my sources.list in order to get the IDE and relevant software? |
| 02:02.11 | techrush | does anyone happen to remember the name of the project thats working on the open source 3d drivers for nvidia cards ? |
| 02:02.27 | abrotman | google ? |
| 02:02.30 | abrotman | #nvidia ? |
| 02:03.16 | abrotman | DaveyB`: apt-get.org might have a source .. or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 02:03.20 | idealcomet | dendrite: error |
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| 02:03.40 | Bart_ | howdy all. |
| 02:03.47 | hesco | Aha! chmod 2775 <directory> does the setgid bit piece IF AND ONLY IF run as root. Problem solved. Thanks for the help folks. Its always the simple things, ain't it. |
| 02:03.50 | idealcomet | it can not show the pic |
| 02:04.07 | Bart_ | some tricky question... my boot process stopp at ... Creating block devices . |
| 02:04.18 | DaveyB` | abrotman: I am using ETCH not SID, Wha would I need to write within my sources.list, I have got a nice easy package manager that does all that for me. |
| 02:04.28 | Bart_ | input : AT Translated Set 2 Key. /class/input/input0 |
| 02:04.31 | abrotman | DaveyB`: i just told you |
| 02:04.36 | Bart_ | where can i start to debug |
| 02:04.37 | Bart_ | ;) |
| 02:04.49 | abrotman | self compiled kernel ? |
| 02:04.56 | Bart_ | can some one look in her dmesg and can say me what is comming after that |
| 02:04.59 | Bart_ | abrotman naw |
| 02:05.01 | Bart_ | default |
| 02:05.07 | abrotman | which default ? |
| 02:05.15 | Bart_ | from netinstall |
| 02:05.23 | abrotman | which netinst? |
| 02:05.24 | Bart_ | i think its some 2.6.17 or so |
| 02:05.25 | Bart_ | hehe |
| 02:05.31 | abrotman | the etch installer ... |
| 02:05.35 | Bart_ | thats not the question.. i mean |
| 02:05.41 | Bart_ | what can be the error |
| 02:05.46 | Bart_ | i have normal x86 ide system |
| 02:06.00 | Bart_ | no hardware what should need special driver.. |
| 02:06.04 | abrotman | that's a mouse/kb error |
| 02:06.11 | Bart_ | i donดt think so |
| 02:06.18 | Bart_ | i can change it sure |
| 02:06.22 | Bart_ | but same i think |
| 02:06.45 | idealcomet | does anynoe kown howto read xxx.ps? |
| 02:06.47 | Bart_ | you realy keyboard mouse error |
| 02:06.51 | Bart_ | ok let me see |
| 02:07.23 | abrotman | idealcomet: gv |
| 02:08.44 | idealcomet | i did |
| 02:09.06 | idealcomet | abrotman: but it show error |
| 02:09.26 | abrotman | golly .. that might be useful |
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| 02:09.36 | Bart_ | hey abrotman like i say with some other keyboard exactly same |
| 02:09.40 | sjr | I'd like to install vlc from unstable to play videos. |
| 02:09.43 | sjr | I'm currently running testing |
| 02:09.46 | Bart_ | so i donดt think is some key/mouse error |
| 02:09.51 | abrotman | !tell sjr about simple sid backport |
| 02:09.54 | sjr | Someone here showed me how I could go forward and then revert |
| 02:10.10 | sjr | thats it |
| 02:10.11 | sjr | thanks |
| 02:10.21 | abrotman | Bart_: it could be the controller .. how old is the machine ? |
| 02:10.34 | libertad0 | I cant access to glx |
| 02:10.38 | libertad0 | my error is that |
| 02:10.38 | Bart_ | hmm a bit .. its a asus k7v 333 mainboard |
| 02:10.39 | libertad0 | # glxinfo |
| 02:10.39 | libertad0 | Segmentation fault |
| 02:10.42 | libertad0 | someone? |
| 02:10.49 | Bart_ | with a athlon xp 1700+ cpu |
| 02:10.51 | idealcomet | abrotman: ERROR : /invalidfont in findfont |
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| 02:11.31 | abrotman | Bart_: seems common .. should work id' think .. |
| 02:12.13 | Bart_ | yes crazy ness |
| 02:12.13 | Bart_ | hehe |
| 02:12.17 | Bart_ | i do more debug |
| 02:12.22 | Bart_ | but thanks fro yaw help. |
| 02:12.39 | abrotman | !sarge uni |
| 02:12.40 | dpkg | sarge unofficial netinstallers see <sarge 2.6.12> <sarge 2.6.14> and/or <sarge 2.6.15>, or use at your own risk and not officially a sarge installation. The 2.6.15 may use yaird, beware. or see <custom netinst>, or see <sarge 2.6.16> also |
| 02:12.40 | dan2 | abrotman: where were you? |
| 02:12.49 | abrotman | dan2: the mariott at the hotel .. |
| 02:12.52 | abrotman | at the airport |
| 02:12.55 | abrotman | dan2: or you mean all weekend |
| 02:12.56 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:13.02 | dan2 | abrotman: this whole week |
| 02:13.10 | abrotman | i was here last week |
| 02:13.13 | dan2 | hmm |
| 02:13.14 | abrotman | i was gone over the weekend |
| 02:13.20 | dan2 | ... ok |
| 02:13.27 | dan2 | abrotman: you see Leimy yet? |
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| 02:13.53 | abrotman | dan2: he's not in PA yet |
| 02:14.12 | dan2 | abrotman: tell him when you see him that I appreciate his great wisdom of C++ |
| 02:14.28 | abrotman | dan2: hehe.. if i see him .. sounds like he has a busy schedule |
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| 02:14.38 | dan2 | abrotman: I don't think I could have learned C++ so fast if it wasn't for him |
| 02:14.59 | abrotman | he may end up in the philly area .. we'll see |
| 02:15.16 | dan2 | abrotman: make sure you get him a cheesesteak and some tastykakes while he's on the east coast |
| 02:15.34 | dan2 | abrotman: you just can't get that kind of goodies on the west coast |
| 02:15.56 | abrotman | dan2: his food is probably better .. he can also get recycled paper TP |
| 02:16.04 | dan2 | heh |
| 02:16.18 | dan2 | abrotman: in Seattle they don't have In-N-Out, I don't see how it could be better than here |
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| 02:17.02 | abrotman | wtf is In-N-Out ? |
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| 02:17.09 | bhavesh | hamburger joint |
| 02:17.11 | dan2 | you don't know what In-N-Out is?????!?!??!?! |
| 02:17.24 | bhavesh | i think |
| 02:17.35 | dan2 | abrotman: completely fresh hamburgers, fresh french fries, fresh milkshakes: No frozen goods. Cooked when you order it |
| 02:17.44 | dan2 | !In-N-Out |
| 02:17.51 | abrotman | dan2: i don't live in a rich neighborhood like you |
| 02:17.57 | Bhavesh | sounds like Sonics in the south east |
| 02:18.00 | dan2 | abrotman: you can't get them here |
| 02:18.04 | dan2 | abrotman: only in California |
| 02:18.14 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:18.29 | bws42 | I really don't think there's anything special about in-n-outs |
| 02:18.45 | dan2 | bws42: there's something wrong with you |
| 02:18.48 | abrotman | Bhavesh: we have a few sonics in philly |
| 02:19.07 | bws42 | it's just another fast food chain |
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| 02:19.18 | dan2 | !in-n-out is a restaurant chain that has developed a die-hard customer base by maintaining a simple menu of high-quality hamburgers and french fries made to order with fresh ingredients. It is one of the few fast-food chains in the United States to pay its employees significantly more than federal and state mandated minimum wages. -- Wikipedia |
| 02:19.19 | dpkg | okay, dan2 |
| 02:19.35 | Bhavesh | wow |
| 02:19.36 | dan2 | abrotman: it's the only hamburger joint that the employees make livable wages |
| 02:19.38 | bws42 | that's true, they do pay well |
| 02:19.51 | dan2 | iirc, the Hamburger dudes make on average 50+K per year |
| 02:19.55 | Bhavesh | i don't think we have those in south east |
| 02:19.55 | Bhavesh | wow |
| 02:20.04 | Bhavesh | i should quit my sys adm job and start working there |
| 02:20.05 | DaveyB` | abrotman: added the file to my source and it still isn't showing it. |
| 02:20.06 | bws42 | nah they're only in california |
| 02:20.11 | abrotman | DaveyB`: apt-get update |
| 02:20.49 | dan2 | Bhavesh: most of it is in Commissions. They're a great example of if you pay your employees well, you can still prosper |
| 02:20.50 | dan2 | ;) |
| 02:21.17 | Bhavesh | dan2: i don't doubt that one bit.. i wish someone would tell that to my company's owner :) |
| 02:21.22 | Bhavesh | no review/rais in 2 yrs |
| 02:21.29 | Bhavesh | s/rais/raise/ |
| 02:21.39 | DaveyB` | abrotman: hve done |
| 02:21.45 | abrotman | and still nothing |
| 02:21.45 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:22.03 | dan2 | Bhavesh: the best business model hasn't changed in the last 100 years: Pay on Production |
| 02:22.18 | DaveyB` | abrotman: nope, I need to d/l eclipse-jdt |
| 02:22.28 | dan2 | Bhavesh: it equally benefits the company owners and the employees |
| 02:22.45 | abrotman | DaveyB`: apt-cache search eclipse |
| 02:23.08 | Bhavesh | dan2: i know.. that's why i gave my employee's some raise even though my store is not making profit.. if employee sticks around saves me time/money on training a new one |
| 02:23.22 | Bhavesh | i work full time as sys adm and i own a sandwich shop on side (FYI) :) |
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| 02:23.56 | sid | How can I get the packages off my dpkg -al list, when they're "rc"; ie packages I did apt-get remove; but I did not do apt-get remove --purge |
| 02:24.02 | sid | I don't want to see packages with "rc" on dpkg -al |
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| 02:24.52 | idealcomet | how to print XXX.ps |
| 02:24.56 | abrotman | gv |
| 02:25.08 | abrotman | sid: grep |
| 02:25.27 | sid | abrotman: I'll know they're there though. I want to remove them completely. |
| 02:25.32 | sid | I don't want to grep them away |
| 02:25.36 | DaveyB` | abrotman: foo:/etc/apt# apt-cache search eclipse, docbook-xsl - stylesheets for processing DocBook XML files to various output formats, ecj-bootstrap - bootstrap version of the Eclipse Java compiler, ecj-bootstrap-gcj - bootstrap version of the Eclipse Java compiler (native version), libgcj6-src - libgcj java sources for use in eclipse, libgcj7-src - libgcj java sources for use in eclipse, openoffice.org-dev - OpenOffice.org SDK |
| 02:25.36 | DaveyB` | All These are installed: |
| 02:25.40 | abrotman | sid: man dpkg |
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| 02:25.54 | abrotman | DaveyB`: what did you add ? |
| 02:27.08 | DaveyB` | abrotman: deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib within the sources.list |
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| 02:27.21 | abrotman | uhm |
| 02:27.28 | abrotman | !tell DaveyB` about simple sid backport |
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| 02:27.53 | DaveyB` | abrotman: did that was well! |
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| 02:28.12 | JonasNZ | i have cleanly installed debian on an ibook, crontabs aren't being executed |
| 02:28.20 | abrotman | DaveyB`: you didn't do it right! |
| 02:28.25 | dan2 | Bhavesh: I changed from billing hourly for my projects to billing by bid... It lets me understand what the projects are worth to the people paying for them. As well, the design specs are set in concrete, and I usually make a whole lot more. |
| 02:29.11 | Pegger | if you use the username/password set up you can have clients have zero certs/keys correct? |
| 02:29.18 | Pegger | for openvpn |
| 02:29.43 | Bhavesh | dan2: i am thinking about leaving my job and concentrating on my business for next copule of months.. it has not made much money but it is getting better |
| 02:30.11 | Bhavesh | dan2: another thing about billing by project is that you can spend little or more time on any problems you may have encounter and yet it does not cost any more or less to the client |
| 02:30.21 | DaveyB` | abrotman: Added to sources.list, deb-src ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib, apt-get update, then apt-cache search eclipse. Nothing happened |
| 02:30.39 | abrotman | you did it wrong |
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| 02:31.02 | dan2 | Bhavesh: the key to billing by project is being good and estimating your own time |
| 02:31.11 | dan2 | good at* |
| 02:31.13 | DaveyB` | abrotman: Then the instructions provided by spkg are seriously lacking. |
| 02:31.36 | abrotman | not really |
| 02:31.38 | Bhavesh | dan2: that's true.. i was just thinking in times when you do run into unexpected problems.. .. i don't have to work on projects. i have a perm job :) |
| 02:31.41 | abrotman | !simple sid backport |
| 02:31.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 02:32.02 | dan2 | Bhavesh: I'm pretty damn good at understanding what my time is worth, and how long it takes to finish a project |
| 02:32.29 | dan2 | Bhavesh: The people keep me with them because I give them really good timelines of when things will be finished |
| 02:32.46 | DaveyB` | abrotman: that is what i have done. The fact remains it can't find eclipse-jdk when it does a search so it won't find it to build :P |
| 02:32.58 | abrotman | where does it say etch ? |
| 02:32.59 | dan2 | Bhavesh: I've never had to change those timelines; they've always been accurate |
| 02:33.11 | Bhavesh | dan2: that's great.. you must have tons of experience |
| 02:33.14 | DaveyB` | abrotman: it doesn't, i added that as my O/S is etch not SID |
| 02:33.19 | dan2 | Bhavesh: just in VoIP |
| 02:33.23 | abrotman | yeah .. you did it wrong :) |
| 02:33.25 | dicon2 | i ve installed debian 10 minuts ago.. but my key / from keyboard doesnt work.. i ve already configured it to model and layout Brazilian ABNT2 |
| 02:33.37 | dicon2 | any ideas? |
| 02:33.39 | dicon2 | ;O |
| 02:33.41 | dan2 | Bhavesh: ask abrotman sometime about how many programming languages I can program fluently in |
| 02:33.47 | DaveyB` | abrotman: Won't it have adverse effects installing software made for on version of Debian onto another? |
| 02:33.53 | Bhavesh | dan2: well it's better to be very good at one thing.. ( provided there is a market for it :) then know little of a lot |
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| 02:34.00 | mynullvoid | it's possible for me to create new cert.pem req.pem and cacert.pem? |
| 02:34.03 | abrotman | DaveyB`: then try to find an etch source at apt-get.org |
| 02:34.34 | abrotman | Bhavesh: i think dan2 is up to .. two |
| 02:34.36 | dan2 | Bhavesh: well VoIP is a tiny market right now. The pay is well, and you need an all around good software engineer to do it. The 450+ pages of RFC documents for SIP are ridiculous. |
| 02:34.38 | dan2 | abrotman: what? |
| 02:34.43 | abrotman | two |
| 02:34.49 | Bhavesh | yikes :) |
| 02:34.50 | dan2 | abrotman: Ocaml, Java, C++, C, Python |
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| 02:34.58 | abrotman | that's it ? |
| 02:35.00 | abrotman | slacker |
| 02:35.02 | Bhavesh | i think he is just joking |
| 02:35.34 | abrotman | DaveyB`: you want a sid deb-src line ... |
| 02:35.37 | dan2 | abrotman: Shell, ASM-x86 |
| 02:35.48 | dan2 | Some perl, but it's iffy |
| 02:35.48 | abrotman | noone is fluent in ASM :) |
| 02:36.05 | dan2 | abrotman: yeah, I use gcc -S and devour it, until I'm totally clueless |
| 02:36.06 | DaveyB` | abrotman: I will use it then :) |
| 02:36.17 | Bhavesh | i had an interview where they want me to know PHP, MySQL, and apache |
| 02:36.22 | abrotman | that's it ? |
| 02:36.35 | dan2 | Bhavesh: I can program in SQL as well |
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| 02:36.55 | dan2 | Bhavesh: I use all three of those you just mentioned for some projects |
| 02:37.02 | Bhavesh | dan2: i know a little bit of sql.. not very fluent |
| 02:37.14 | Bhavesh | bbl.. have to do something |
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| 02:38.13 | DaveyB` | abrotman: done as you said and nothing new has come up |
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| 02:38.36 | Phocion | hey guys.....so I partition my drive in fdisk...'w' to write the partition table...then I remount the drive and the data is STILL THERE!!!!! any ideas why?? |
| 02:38.39 | abrotman | what are your sources ? |
| 02:38.43 | abrotman | !find eclipse sid |
| 02:38.53 | abrotman | Phocion: you didn't format it ? |
| 02:39.00 | abrotman | wait .. no |
| 02:39.07 | Phocion | i deleted the partition |
| 02:39.11 | Phocion | created a new one |
| 02:39.19 | Phocion | set it to Linux FS |
| 02:39.23 | Phocion | write |
| 02:39.32 | Phocion | ....all data is still there |
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| 02:40.35 | Phocion | any idea why? |
| 02:40.47 | abrotman | wrong parttion? |
| 02:41.08 | Phocion | nope this slave HD only has one huge partition |
| 02:41.25 | Phocion | so I cant be partitioning the wrong one :) |
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| 02:53.24 | iLLf8d | huh? |
| 02:53.29 | iLLf8d | oops he gone |
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| 02:56.41 | itguru | I just did 'ps aux' on my system to see what users are logged in etc, and what they are running, and I found a user with the name 100 - does anyone know what that is? |
| 02:57.28 | karsten | itguru: it's a process running with PID=100, but there's no UID=100 in /etc/passwd. |
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| 02:57.52 | eth1r | ituguru: you want who or w |
| 02:57.57 | karsten | itguru: check /etc/passwd to see if there's any such user. pstree may show what initiated that process. What program is it? |
| 02:58.08 | bws42 | 100 is sshd for me |
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| 02:59.42 | itguru | karsten - yeah, ur right |
| 03:00.00 | abrotman | !ur |
| 03:00.01 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 03:00.02 | karsten | itguru: I know ;-) |
| 03:00.56 | itguru | okay, what I'm going to do, is kill my ssh connections to the machine, because this is the first time that I have actually checked it remotly, and then walk my ass downstairs, and check again! |
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| 03:01.23 | fignew | !sound |
| 03:01.24 | dpkg | methinks sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
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| 03:22.14 | karsten | !test |
| 03:22.14 | dpkg | No, karsten, you're not online any more. |
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| 03:22.29 | karsten | Quiet. |
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| 03:24.13 | shadow98 | hey guys i have an old laptop winbook xl |
| 03:24.31 | shadow98 | trying to get mouse to work..and having no luck |
| 03:24.46 | shadow98 | anyone have any suggestions |
| 03:24.47 | karsten | shadow98: What sort of mouse? PS/AUX, serial? |
| 03:24.56 | shadow98 | its a touchpad |
| 03:25.05 | amphi | psaux probably |
| 03:25.07 | karsten | shadow98: should be psaux. |
| 03:25.15 | shadow98 | doesn't wokr |
| 03:25.18 | karsten | !mouse |
| 03:25.19 | dpkg | methinks mouse is if you're having trouble with mice in XFree 4.0.2, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. http://www.jahns-arpke.de/Privat/Bautagebuch_/Bautagebuch_mit_Fotos/15_05_2004/Maus.JPG, or http://www.experiencescompany.com/SentImages/Bless%20This%20Mouse.jpg |
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| 03:25.19 | amphi | shadow98: you might find info at linux-laptop.net |
| 03:25.26 | shadow98 | it was working in win98 |
| 03:25.37 | Kyuss | help me out here, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/iso-cd/ isn't working and I want that net install image |
| 03:25.41 | shadow98 | before i put debian on it |
| 03:25.56 | shadow98 | old laptop that i found at work...going to put some use to it |
| 03:26.02 | pearl | Kyuss: lol |
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| 03:26.06 | pearl | Kyuss: ftp.debian.org |
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| 03:26.14 | Seb | sup yall... |
| 03:26.17 | Seb | how do I find out what packages provide a given package ? |
| 03:26.23 | karsten | shadow98: What CPU does that have? And how many rubber bands. |
| 03:26.31 | telexicon | do you have any documents for setting up vnc with gnome on debian? |
| 03:26.46 | Kyuss | oh, DURR! |
| 03:26.51 | karsten | Seb: One package provides a package, virtual packages excepted (eg: smtp-server) |
| 03:26.57 | pearl | Seb: maybe ure looking for apt-file search? |
| 03:27.00 | shadow98 | its old how do i tell what cpu it has in debian |
| 03:27.09 | karsten | shadow98: 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' |
| 03:27.15 | Seb | I wanna find all packages who provide awk |
| 03:27.25 | karsten | !tell Seb about search. |
| 03:27.30 | Seb | s/who/that/ |
| 03:27.44 | shadow98 | 266mhz intel |
| 03:27.47 | shadow98 | mmx |
| 03:27.57 | Seb | karsten: not in there |
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| 03:28.06 | karsten | Seb: "Provides:" tells you what a package provides. Eg: mawk provides awk. |
| 03:28.20 | karsten | shadow98: OK. PPro? |
| 03:28.31 | Seb | yeah. Now how do I list all packages providing awk ? |
| 03:28.33 | karsten | shadow98: ... or was MMX something different? |
| 03:28.34 | shadow98 | it has 64mb of memor |
| 03:28.56 | shadow98 | cpu family 5 |
| 03:28.59 | Seb | or am I somehow not stating my question correctly ? |
| 03:29.00 | shadow98 | model 8 |
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| 03:29.11 | shadow98 | model name mobile pentium mmx |
| 03:29.13 | Kyuss | what is a businesscard cd? |
| 03:29.16 | karsten | Seb: I understand your question, I'm trying to answer it. |
| 03:29.26 | Seb | karsten: ok |
| 03:29.32 | karsten | Kyuss: Small-format 50 MB CD that's cut to a roughly rectangular shape. |
| 03:29.33 | pearl | Kyuss: i think thats smaller as other images |
| 03:29.42 | karsten | Kyuss: Oddly enough, business-card sized, more-or-less. |
| 03:29.44 | Kyuss | http://ftp.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso 404s |
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| 03:30.01 | pearl | Kyuss: no |
| 03:30.05 | pearl | Kyuss: dont download testing! |
| 03:30.10 | pearl | download a stable netinst cd! |
| 03:30.11 | karsten | Seb: I think you can wrassle that out of dpkg-query |
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| 03:30.22 | Kyuss | there is a stable etch? |
| 03:30.28 | pearl | after installation you can upgrade to testing, or unstable, or universe, whatever you want |
| 03:30.30 | Seb | karsten: heh, I'm sure :> |
| 03:30.33 | pearl | Kyuss: no |
| 03:30.38 | Seb | karsten: i'll go ask in #debian-devel rather ;) |
| 03:30.42 | pearl | etch is the codename for testing |
| 03:30.45 | Kyuss | universe? |
| 03:30.47 | shadow98 | ui guess mouse just must have went bad.. |
| 03:30.50 | pearl | sid is the codename for unstable |
| 03:30.57 | pearl | and sarge is the codename for stable |
| 03:31.03 | pearl | and you wanna download a stable cd image! |
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| 03:31.26 | pearl | because if the testing doesnt work, your burned cd is fucked up |
| 03:31.36 | pearl | and you have to burn a new cd |
| 03:31.40 | pearl | so, got stable, and it works |
| 03:31.46 | karsten | Sememmon: I generally do something like: egrep -h '^(Package|Provides):' *_Packages | grep -B1 '^Provides:.*awk' |
| 03:31.50 | karsten | Seb: ^^ |
| 03:31.58 | karsten | Seb: ... in /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 03:32.06 | Kyuss | sort of, except I broke X11 by installing x11 commons in sarge |
| 03:32.11 | Seb | karsten: ok, lemme try that... |
| 03:32.15 | enouf | Can someone adjust the !ntfs factoid to read http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ .. instead of "linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net" - forget the syntax for changing .. something like dpkg ntfs is ~=s/blah/corrected blah/ |
| 03:32.29 | Kyuss | + if it doesn't work it only takes 20 minutes to reinstall |
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| 03:32.48 | Seb | karsten: that worked, thanks... |
| 03:32.53 | ben_h | hi all |
| 03:32.56 | Kyuss | and cds are 5... I can't find the cents key... I swear it was just here |
| 03:32.59 | pearl | Kyuss: do whatever you want :) |
| 03:33.23 | ben_h | i'm running a netboot install that's failing on 'creating device files' - is there a way to get more information from the installer on the problem? |
| 03:33.30 | pearl | iam out, night |
| 03:33.35 | Kyuss | Still can't find an etch netinstall download that doesn't 404 |
| 03:33.45 | pearl | damn, gui!!! |
| 03:33.47 | pearl | got a stable cd |
| 03:33.50 | Seb | karsten: so egrep -h '^(Package|Provides):' /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages | grep -B1 '^ ;) |
| 03:33.51 | pearl | now!!! |
| 03:33.57 | pearl | stable netinst! |
| 03:34.00 | pearl | look for it |
| 03:34.01 | pearl | install it |
| 03:34.02 | pearl | be happy |
| 03:34.07 | Kyuss | Ok... fine... I'm holding one now |
| 03:34.15 | Kyuss | yeesh |
| 03:34.17 | pearl | in the installation process u can upgrade to testing/etch or unstable/sid, what you want |
| 03:34.34 | karsten | Seb: The first grep lists all packages ("^Package:" line) followed by what it provides. The second looks for whatever it is you want to find out where it's provided. |
| 03:34.38 | Kyuss | which option is that? |
| 03:34.59 | pearl | you will se it in the installation process! |
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| 03:35.03 | pearl | s/se/see/ |
| 03:35.28 | karsten | Seb: The dpkg-query manpage badly wants for examples |
| 03:35.32 | shadow98 | is there anyway to est the mouse from command line |
| 03:35.52 | shadow98 | like in text mode or something |
| 03:36.01 | karsten | shadow98: mouseconfig |
| 03:36.28 | Seb | karsten: heh |
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| 03:39.34 | Seb | karsten: actually apt-cache showpkg awk works ! |
| 03:39.55 | karsten | Seb: Hrm. |
| 03:40.06 | karsten | Seb: Ah, the "reverse provides" results. Nice. Thanks ;-) |
| 03:40.20 | sid | I don't know anything about fonts, but people tell me GNU/Linux has terrible default fonts. |
| 03:40.26 | sid | They seem to look fine to me. |
| 03:40.32 | sid | But how can I get better fonts? |
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| 03:40.52 | karsten | sid: Install msttcorefonts. |
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| 03:41.14 | sid | thanks karsten |
| 03:41.32 | shadow98 | is mouseconfig an addon |
| 03:41.36 | mynullvoid | sid: don't forget to add non-free in your source list |
| 03:41.44 | karsten | sid: There's also a couple of fonts designed specifically for Linux. I forget where. |
| 03:41.48 | karsten | shadow98: It's a package. |
| 03:41.55 | sid | karsten: Do I need to do anything? |
| 03:41.57 | karsten | !mouseocnfig |
| 03:42.00 | karsten | !mouseconfig |
| 03:42.03 | karsten | !info mouseconfig |
| 03:42.05 | sid | I installed that package karsten. Just restart X? |
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| 03:42.56 | sid | karsten: What is this doing downloading non-free fonts from sourceforge, windows fonts. Then using cabextract to grab them? |
| 03:42.59 | stoned | warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory <-- I get this message and when I startx fixed font is not found |
| 03:43.07 | Kyuss | Alright, alright... I've been going down the list in a debian netinstall in expert mode, I haven't seen any option to switch it from stable/sarge to testing/etch |
| 03:43.11 | karsten | sid: Apparently I'm full of sh*t. I swear that was a package or executable. |
| 03:43.17 | stoned | how do I manually update the font aliases |
| 03:43.25 | sid | karsten: It is a package. It's installing. |
| 03:43.26 | pinky | I can't switch resolutions after a failed attempt at running a fullscreen OpenGL application: ""The X Server does not support the XRandR extension. Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available."" |
| 03:43.28 | karsten | sid: dpkg-reconfigure <your x xserver: xorg or xfree86) |
| 03:43.33 | shadow98 | how do i get it installed |
| 03:43.37 | karsten | !defoma |
| 03:43.37 | dpkg | methinks defoma is Debian Font Manager, and automatic configuration framework for fonts. |
| 03:43.38 | mynullvoid | I am getting this when I try to AUTH PLAIN to my smtpd: 535 5.7.0 Error: authentication failed: bad protocol / cancel |
| 03:43.42 | karsten | stoned: ^^ |
| 03:43.45 | sid | karsten: This package is a script, that's downloading non-free windows cab(.exe) files, then extracting fonts and adding them somewhere. |
| 03:43.47 | shadow98 | i tried apt-get install mouseconfig |
| 03:43.49 | sid | karsten: But I don't know what to do next. |
| 03:44.04 | karsten | sid: Right, msttcorefonts. Should automatically Just Be There. No X restart required. |
| 03:44.05 | sid | karsten: What font to choose? |
| 03:44.12 | karsten | sid: One you like ;-) |
| 03:44.21 | sid | heh, That's too much work picking one out. |
| 03:44.27 | sid | karsten: If you know about fonts, just tell me a good one. |
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| 03:44.33 | Kyuss | Does anybody know how to upgrade from stable/sarge to testing/etch in a debian net install? |
| 03:44.34 | sid | Something that is easy to read, and doesn't look hideous. |
| 03:44.37 | karsten | sid: standard 'serif' and 'non-serif' should be good. |
| 03:44.42 | stoned | karsten: what? |
| 03:44.49 | sid | Kyuss: You get the etch net install disc. |
| 03:45.10 | sid | !tell Kyuss about d-i |
| 03:45.10 | stoned | running defoma reconfigure |
| 03:45.10 | stoned | lets see |
| 03:45.11 | sid | Kyuss: Or if you already installed sarge, do a dist-upgrade. |
| 03:45.11 | karsten | stoned: Me worry? |
| 03:45.12 | sid | !tell Kyuss about sarge->etch |
| 03:45.17 | dicon2 | i ve installed debian 10 minuts ago.. but my key / from keyboard doesnt work.. i ve already configured it to model and layout Brazilian ABNT2.. any ideas? |
| 03:45.31 | stoned | huh? |
| 03:45.35 | stoned | I'm confused |
| 03:45.56 | karsten | stoned: It's working. |
| 03:46.04 | stoned | karsten: I ran defoma-reconfigure thinking to update the font aliases |
| 03:46.12 | shadow98 | karsten: how do i get mouseconfig installed |
| 03:46.14 | stoned | still get the same message |
| 03:46.35 | Kyuss | Ok, ok, so I've tried downloading the i386 image from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and it 404s, and all I see on the mirror sites is the tarballs for etch. |
| 03:46.35 | karsten | shadow98: I'm not sure. I think I may be leading you astray. |
| 03:46.38 | stoned | could not open default font fixed |
| 03:46.46 | shadow98 | ok |
| 03:46.51 | karsten | stoned: If you have everything set up right, just installing the fonts makes them available. |
| 03:47.01 | shadow98 | im going to try and boot damn small linux and see what i get with that |
| 03:47.01 | psychonate | I'm having an issue installing nvidia-glx. I've posted the error in #flood, and I would be obliged if someone could have a look. I can post again if need be. |
| 03:47.16 | stoned | i've got em all, I'm guessing xfonts-base has a problem |
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| 03:47.25 | stoned | it happened after my latest sid upgrade today |
| 03:47.30 | Kyuss | am I missing something? |
| 03:47.34 | khanfused | anyone alive over here ... to help someone who'se geb0rkened his Xwindows setup? I was starting out trying to install a single package ... the install told me it had to update a series of xwindows packages (it looked like a full scale xorg update). When I looked through the packages, it seemed like anything that was to be removed would be replaced by something comparable. Unfortunately, after it was done, I'm having problem |
| 03:47.40 | khanfused | stopping everything else from installing |
| 03:47.47 | karsten | shadow98: It's 'mdetect' |
| 03:47.50 | karsten | !info mdetect |
| 03:47.53 | psychonate | nvidia-glx seems to have some problem with nvidia-glx-legacy, though I have uninstalled the latter |
| 03:47.55 | dpkg | mdetect: (mouse device autodetection tool), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.5.2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 03:47.56 | khanfused | (ooops) ... there was something from a previous channel in that text) |
| 03:48.19 | karsten | !set up x |
| 03:48.19 | dpkg | it has been said that set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 03:48.20 | khanfused | the question (and the embarrasment) remains |
| 03:48.30 | karsten | Sememmon: Thanks, I needed that' |
| 03:48.39 | psychonate | Anyone have any ideas about it? |
| 03:48.41 | stoned | karsten: any ideas |
| 03:48.41 | sid | karsten: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg said nothing about fonts. |
| 03:48.56 | karsten | stoned: Sip slowly and breath deeply. |
| 03:49.09 | stoned | karsten: any ideas about my problem> |
| 03:49.20 | karsten | stoned: Oh, *good* ideas. No. |
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| 03:50.55 | karsten | !tell sid about fonts |
| 03:51.24 | karsten | sid: start there. Sorry, it's a confusing topic and I know about 4 generations of how to do this, only one of which may be right. |
| 03:51.31 | psychonate | Should I just use dpkg-divert to remove all of nvidia-glx-legacy's diversions, since it is no longer installed, and its diversions conflict with those of nvidia-glx? |
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| 03:54.24 | psychonate | well, I guess I'll just start with dubious commands and see what happens |
| 03:56.03 | Kyuss | sid: Got it, the sarge netinstall works for etch as well, just have to tinker a bit |
| 03:57.18 | sid | karsten: yea I did that first when i joined here(/msg dpkg fonts) |
| 03:57.25 | sid | The guides on there are from 1996 karsten |
| 03:57.53 | karsten | sid: There's one that's more recent written by Bob, um, "bob2'. |
| 03:58.28 | karsten | sid: This one: http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
| 03:58.41 | karsten | sid: Shit. Expired domain. |
| 03:59.38 | karsten | sid: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
| 03:59.51 | karsten | sid: Rob Weir |
| 04:00.15 | shadow98 | karsten: after installing all that now the keyboard won't work |
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| 04:00.34 | karsten | sid: Now at http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/rants/font_guide.txt |
| 04:00.41 | karsten | shadow98: ?? |
| 04:00.47 | karsten | shadow98: Mouse stuff/ |
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| 04:00.51 | shadow98 | yes |
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| 04:01.01 | shadow98 | the above dpkg information |
| 04:01.05 | karsten | shadow98: I'm sorry :-\ |
| 04:01.12 | shadow98 | thats alright |
| 04:01.13 | sid | karsten: That last link is dead. |
| 04:01.14 | shadow98 | just reinstall |
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| 04:02.20 | karsten | sid: Sec. |
| 04:02.54 | dan2 | ~gta |
| 04:02.58 | karsten | sid: Now. |
| 04:03.09 | dan2 | ~gta is <jcm> would having a woman as the main character change anything? <jcm> it would still be GTA <gwizz> yeah <gwizz> grand theft alimony |
| 04:03.11 | apt | okay, dan2 |
| 04:03.11 | karsten | sid: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Rants/font_guide.txt |
| 04:04.08 | ben_h | is there an easy way to specify the order my disk controllers are loaded in? |
| 04:04.35 | karsten | ben_h: /etc/modules |
| 04:05.00 | ben_h | karsten: i'll dig around, thanks |
| 04:05.15 | psychonate | hells yes; thank mosey for dpkg-divert --rename --remove |
| 04:08.21 | shadow98 | anybody every setup snort-inline on debian |
| 04:08.43 | Kyuss | is there any way to make a recovery cd for linux? |
| 04:09.04 | Kevin` | you mean like knoppix? |
| 04:09.51 | karsten | Kyuss: Download Knoppix or DSL. |
| 04:10.01 | sid | Kyuss: Do do dpkg -al|awk '{ print $2 }' &> $HOME/applications.txt; tar -c `echo $HOME`|gzip -9 &> backup.tar.gz; |
| 04:10.19 | sid | Kyuss: There is your recovery. |
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| 04:13.57 | ben_h | karsten: so i suppose the contents of /etc/modules are loaded in the listed order before detection happens? |
| 04:14.10 | ben_h | (rebooting now to see what happens) |
| 04:14.59 | karsten | ben_h: That's the theory. |
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| 04:15.40 | ben_h | karsten: doesn't seem to work that way in practice :) |
| 04:15.50 | ben_h | the disk modules seem to be loaded before /etc/modules is arsed. |
| 04:16.18 | karsten | ben_h: Feh. |
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| 04:21.34 | ben_h | s/arsed/parsed |
| 04:21.48 | ben_h | bloody. of course it is, /etc/modules is ON the disk |
| 04:21.52 | ben_h | gg ben :) |
| 04:22.25 | karsten | ben_h: Um. Your initrd then? |
| 04:22.37 | ben_h | ya, standard debian initrd |
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| 04:25.36 | uwe1 | hi there |
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| 04:26.15 | karsten | Ossian: You could have a steam train. |
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| 04:26.47 | Ossian | some help with my happy debian box please. First of all, how do I delete a mailbox from my postfix installaetion without removving the user from the system? |
| 04:26.57 | Ossian | karsten: I could |
| 04:27.09 | Ossian | if I could and should, I would |
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| 04:28.15 | karsten | Ossian: Mailbox might be /var/spool/mail/<username> |
| 04:28.39 | rxed | Can xmms play mp3's by default? |
| 04:29.08 | ben_h | iirc, there's a separate plugin |
| 04:29.16 | ben_h | haven't used it for years though.. not sure |
| 04:29.20 | karsten | rxed: IIRC yes. |
| 04:29.29 | rxed | ok. ty. |
| 04:29.30 | Ossian | karsten: yes, they are there |
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| 04:30.01 | Ossian | karsten: surely I can't just delete the mailbox file? |
| 04:30.09 | karsten | rxed: activate the mpeg layer 1/2/3 pluging (libmpg123.so) |
| 04:30.25 | karsten | Ossian: Why not? |
| 04:30.30 | karsten | Ossian: What are you trying to do? |
| 04:30.48 | karsten | Ossian: disable the user? |
| 04:31.08 | rxed | karsten: ty |
| 04:31.48 | Ossian | karsten: I have already disabled the user, now I want to shut the mailbox down. |
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| 04:32.07 | karsten | Ossian: Um. Define "shut the mailbox down". |
| 04:32.31 | Ossian | karsten: the only admin tool I can find on the box is webmin, and there is nothng in webmin that allows me to do that |
| 04:33.04 | Ossian | karsten: I'd like the postfix to not accept incoming mail for that email address |
| 04:33.16 | karsten | Ossian: there's a few concepts involved here: 1. not handling incoming mail for the user (your postfix config), 2. ridding yourself of any existing mail (deleting the mail spool file), 3. blocking login attempts by the user to fetch mail (POP3, IMAP, etc., again, postfix or other daemon). |
| 04:33.23 | karsten | !webmin |
| 04:33.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 04:33.45 | Ossian | karsten: 1. is the one I want... the others I have done |
| 04:33.56 | karsten | Ossian: I'd suggest you read the postfix docs. I don't use it so I'm not familiar with it, but you should be able to define a user for whom you don't accept delivery. |
| 04:34.20 | Ossian | karsten: yep, that's where I am now :)) |
| 04:34.25 | karsten | Ossian: Local recipients table would be where you want to look. |
| 04:34.25 | Ossian | thanks for your trouble |
| 04:34.38 | Ossian | ok, will do |
| 04:34.50 | karsten | Ossian: might ask on #postfix |
| 04:34.53 | Ossian | !postfix |
| 04:34.53 | dpkg | i guess postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org/ or #postfix |
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| 04:36.41 | Ossian | karsten: yep, posted a question at #postfix :)) |
| 04:36.48 | karsten | Ossian: Good luck. |
| 04:36.56 | tarzeau | wow http://popcon.debian.org/ 17000 debian users! |
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| 04:37.40 | dicon2 | anyone has installed debian etch on vmware? |
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| 04:46.14 | tuv | is aDesklets broken in etch or am i missing something? |
| 04:47.07 | tuv | tarzeau, is that a too big number or a too small one? |
| 04:47.22 | tarzeau | tuv: it's the largest one i've seen |
| 04:47.56 | tuv | tarzeau, i bet there are at least twice as many people with popcon disabled |
| 04:48.29 | tarzeau | tuv: there's many more debian users for sure |
| 04:48.44 | stoned | well |
| 04:48.48 | stoned | I figured out the problem |
| 04:48.55 | stoned | took me a minute |
| 04:49.17 | tuv | tarzeau, any estimates on the number of all debian users? or a website providing estimates? |
| 04:49.23 | stoned | latest xfonts-base in sid is broken kinda, it changes the font paths yet doesn't update xorg.conf |
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| 04:49.32 | tarzeau | !linuxcounter |
| 04:49.32 | dpkg | from memory, linuxcounter is at http://counter.li.org/ Go register your linux boxes! |
| 04:49.43 | tarzeau | tuv: and don't forget the gnu/kfreebsd people at www.bsdstats.org |
| 04:49.53 | Ossian | how do I setup that apache starts when my machine boots? |
| 04:49.55 | tarzeau | tuv: there's also popcon.ubuntu.com |
| 04:50.05 | stoned | changed path from /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc to /usr/share/X11/fonts/misc |
| 04:50.15 | tarzeau | Ossian: in /etc/rc2.d/ it usually does if you use the debian package |
| 04:50.21 | tuv | Ossian, default apache install should do that |
| 04:50.28 | Ossian | thanks |
| 04:50.39 | Ossian | I can see the apache script in /etc/init.d |
| 04:50.57 | Ossian | but /etc/init.d/apache status gives no response |
| 04:50.58 | karsten | Ossian: Sorted on apache? |
| 04:51.04 | sanmarcos | do the files in /etc/cron.d get executed, if so, when? |
| 04:51.06 | Ossian | karsten: :)) working on it |
| 04:51.11 | karsten | Ossian: Cool |
| 04:51.26 | karsten | Ossian: I'm *way* beat ATM, been pulling ivy in a friend's yard all day. |
| 04:51.36 | stoned | karsten, your advice wouldn't have helped me, since you didn't explain the reason |
| 04:51.37 | Ossian | karsten: I'll get apache running and install a web management front-end for postfix (hopefully) |
| 04:51.45 | Ossian | karsten: eeek! |
| 04:51.47 | karsten | stoned: What advice? I wasn't listening. |
| 04:51.56 | stoned | karsten, reason being, I use a custom xrog.conf for dual monitor |
| 04:51.56 | tuv | sanmarcos, yes. at the time they are set to |
| 04:52.02 | karsten | stoned: xrog? |
| 04:52.08 | Ossian | xorg |
| 04:52.09 | stoned | plus I'm not sure if !drxx updates font paths |
| 04:52.09 | sanmarcos | tuv: where are they set ? |
| 04:52.11 | tuv | sanmarcos, every file in /etc/cron.d/ follows crontab syntax |
| 04:52.25 | sanmarcos | tuv: oh ok, so all of them are executed, each one of them is like acrontab |
| 04:52.31 | sanmarcos | tuv: to not clutter up /etc/crontab, right? |
| 04:52.35 | karsten | stoned: How about xgrog. |
| 04:52.39 | tuv | sanmarcos, exactly |
| 04:52.42 | stoned | huh |
| 04:52.52 | karsten | sanmarcos: Also to allow atomic adds/deletes to crontab entries w/o having to edit a single file. |
| 04:53.14 | karsten | stoned: I'd take up confusing you as a hobby, but I need a challenge. |
| 04:53.28 | Ossian | tarzeau: yes, in /etc/rc2.d there is a symlink to apache. But apache isn't running |
| 04:53.59 | Ossian | tarzeau: and I can't get it going |
| 04:54.11 | tuv | Ossian, '/etc/init.d/apache start' to start it manually |
| 04:54.14 | stoned | lol |
| 04:54.29 | Ossian | tuv: it doesn't |
| 04:54.30 | tarzeau | Ossian: the interface is there? |
| 04:54.36 | tarzeau | Ossian: you have no other httpd ? |
| 04:54.45 | Ossian | tarzeau: interface? I don't understand |
| 04:54.48 | tarzeau | Ossian: error msgs? /var/log and manual start |
| 04:54.51 | tarzeau | Ossian: network interface |
| 04:55.04 | tuv | Ossian, what does it output? what does the log say? |
| 04:55.08 | Ossian | tarzeau: oh, yes. The interface works, no prob |
| 04:55.14 | Ossian | I'll check the logs |
| 04:55.26 | Ossian | brb |
| 04:55.33 | Xorm | In Soviet Russia, logs check YOU!!! |
| 04:55.46 | Xorm | sry. |
| 04:56.04 | tarzeau | Xorm: heh :) |
| 04:56.14 | Ossian | tuv: nothing in /var/log/apache/error.log |
| 04:56.30 | Ossian | lol Xorm .. and in Soviet US? |
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| 04:58.34 | Ossian | tarzeau: nothing in the logs |
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| 04:59.02 | Kyuss | Is there a task oriented debian manual floating around anywhere? |
| 04:59.29 | tuv | Ossian, how did you tell apache is not running? |
| 04:59.38 | Ossian | I'm wondering if apache is even installed |
| 04:59.42 | tuv | Ossian, what does 'ps aux | grep apache' return? |
| 04:59.42 | wols_ | !rwll k<uss about newbiedoc |
| 04:59.55 | Ossian | tuv: ps -ef | grep httpd |
| 05:00.01 | Ossian | or grep apache |
| 05:00.04 | Ossian | give me nothing |
| 05:00.13 | wols_ | Ossian: dpkg -l apache |
| 05:00.15 | tuv | Ossian, dpkg -l | grep apache |
| 05:00.20 | Ossian | thanks |
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| 05:00.40 | Kyuss | Anybody? |
| 05:00.45 | Ossian | apache 1.3.26. woody |
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| 05:00.52 | wols_ | !rwll kyuss about newbiedoc |
| 05:01.05 | tuv | Ossian, what are the first two letters in that row? |
| 05:01.06 | wols_ | damn, I'm still asleep |
| 05:01.08 | Kyuss | you mean !tell? |
| 05:01.09 | wols_ | !tell kyuss about newbiedoc |
| 05:01.23 | Ossian | rc |
| 05:01.31 | tuv | Ossian, then it's not installed |
| 05:01.44 | Kyuss | but is it task oriented? ... is it even alive? |
| 05:01.47 | Ossian | ahhh. How to install> |
| 05:01.50 | Ossian | ? |
| 05:01.55 | wols_ | apt-get install apache2 |
| 05:01.57 | tuv | Ossian, c means it was removed but its conffiles are still on the system, which include /etc/init.d/apache |
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| 05:02.16 | Ossian | tuv: yep, THAT is there :)) |
| 05:02.22 | Ossian | ok, i'll reintall |
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| 05:03.12 | Ossian | ok, got apache2 Sarge now |
| 05:03.15 | Kyuss | http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ appears to be dead |
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| 05:03.20 | x544d4e | I'm trying to follow the instructions to make a bootable usb drive... I keep getting a MBR FA: when my system tries to boot from the pendrive |
| 05:03.25 | tuv | Ossian, if you want to remove a package with its conffiles, then purge it instead of remove it |
| 05:03.34 | x544d4e | heres my script.... |
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| 05:03.42 | rohan | which is the site where old debian packages are available ? i forget the url .. |
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| 05:03.45 | x544d4e | install-mbr /dev/sda |
| 05:03.45 | x544d4e | mkdosfs /dev/sda1 |
| 05:03.45 | x544d4e | syslinux /dev/sda1 |
| 05:03.45 | x544d4e | mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 05:03.45 | x544d4e | cd /mnt |
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| 05:04.28 | Ossian | tuv: I inherited the machine :)) my first debian box; I feel like a virgin |
| 05:04.29 | x544d4e | oops |
| 05:05.10 | Ossian | tuv: this irssi that I'm using is on my mandriva box at home... can we have a go at installing irssi on the debian box? |
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| 05:05.21 | rohan | Ossian: yes, its quite simple |
| 05:05.29 | tuv | Ossian, sure.. |
| 05:05.51 | rohan | wasn't there some site where all debian packages since some 2004 are available ? |
| 05:05.55 | Ossian | ok, I try apt-get install irssi, and here is the error message: |
| 05:06.11 | tuv | Ossian, if you have X running, start synaptic package manager and install whatever you like, or better yet start aptitude (a console package manager) |
| 05:06.35 | Ossian | packege irssi has no installation candidate |
| 05:06.44 | Ossian | tuv: no X running, sorry |
| 05:06.50 | tuv | Ossian, is your debian box connected to the internet? |
| 05:06.55 | Ossian | tuv: yes |
| 05:07.00 | tuv | Ossian, then aptitude is your friend |
| 05:07.11 | tuv | Ossian, can you do apt-get udpate? |
| 05:07.14 | Ossian | tuv: I have little aptitude for this :)) |
| 05:07.23 | Ossian | tuv: I'll try |
| 05:07.48 | Ossian | tuv it returns a list of urls |
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| 05:07.55 | tuv | Ossian, aptitude lets you browse all available packages interactively |
| 05:08.04 | tuv | Ossian, any errors? |
| 05:08.05 | Ossian | tuv: ahhh |
| 05:08.12 | Ossian | nope, no errors |
| 05:08.32 | rohan | Ossian: i think it is apt-get install irssi-text |
| 05:08.45 | rohan | iirc .. |
| 05:08.45 | Ossian | ahhhh |
| 05:08.45 | tuv | Ossian, try 'aptitude install irssi' then |
| 05:08.45 | Ossian | apt-get install irssi-text |
| 05:08.48 | Ossian | oops |
| 05:08.55 | Ossian | lol, worng window |
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| 05:09.24 | Ossian | it's installing.... |
| 05:09.38 | tuv | nice |
| 05:09.41 | wols_ | rohan: archive.debian.org ? |
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| 05:09.45 | Ossian | tuv: brb from the debian box :)) |
| 05:09.53 | rohan | wols_: that holds all the older packages too ? |
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| 05:10.17 | rohan | wols_: i mean, i want older packages for sarge, sid, etc |
| 05:10.20 | rohan | *etch |
| 05:10.39 | tuv | rohan, or maybe snapshot.debian.net |
| 05:10.42 | rohan | not debian 2.* 1.* |
| 05:10.53 | valdyn | !sdn |
| 05:10.54 | dpkg | sdn is, like, go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 05:11.10 | rohan | tuv, valdyn : ah, that was what i wanted :) thanks a lot ! |
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| 05:13.10 | rohan | what is the difference between package versions "1:7.1.0-1" and "1:7.1.0~1" .. i mean, what difference does the ~ in place of - make ? |
| 05:14.21 | peterS | rohan: ~ has a negative effect on the version number |
| 05:14.21 | peterS | rohan: 1.0~beta2 is less than 1.0 |
| 05:14.22 | rohan | ah, thanks :) |
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| 05:14.22 | peterS | where as 1.0-beta2 would be seen as _newer_ than 1.0, which is not desirable |
| 05:14.22 | phorce1 | normally I can beat a bash script into submission after staring at it for a while. In the following one-liner however all the pipes are screwing with my head. I would like to be able to replace the '($7 == "MAILER-DAEMON")' part with a command line variable pair (something to tell it to use $7, $8, or $9 and the email address in quotes). Ideas? |
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| 05:14.25 | phorce1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.20 | phorce1 | This is a one line bash script to list the message IDs from a mailq command of a specific sender ($7) recipient #1 (#8) or recipient #2 ($9) |
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| 05:17.30 | phorce1 | right now I have to edit the script and replace the $x and email-address ("MAILER-DAEMON" in this case) each time I want to search for something different |
| 05:17.58 | tuv | phorce1, if you get no help here, you may want to try #bash |
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| 05:18.36 | Ossian | ahhh, that's good |
| 05:18.38 | tuv | phorce1, or maybe #awk |
| 05:18.38 | Kevin` | didn't catch all of this, but couldn't you just use $1 $2 $3 etc? |
| 05:18.41 | phorce1 | tuv: duh! |
| 05:19.31 | phorce1 | kevin: the pipes break everything I try. The substitution needs to be done in the third piped command |
| 05:19.59 | Ossian | tuv: ahh, how is this for a happy debian box, eh? |
| 05:20.09 | phorce1 | tuv: #debian is my "autojoin" seldom go anywhere else. |
| 05:20.20 | rohan | Ossian: i suppose you are using debian sarge ? |
| 05:20.21 | tuv | phorce1, me too :) |
| 05:20.47 | tuv | Ossian, are you on your debian now? |
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| 05:21.20 | karsten | phorce1: ?? |
| 05:21.57 | karsten | phorce1: Spammer happens to be a customer of yours? |
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| 05:22.22 | phorce1 | karsten: Set up an account with us on 9/26 -- started sending spam late on 9/28. I noticed it in my logs tonight and have been clearing queued messages. |
| 05:22.52 | karsten | phorce1: can you kill the daemon for now or are other clients using it? |
| 05:23.11 | karsten | phorce1: ... and/or is there an additional charge/penalty to enforce? $300 seems low IMO. |
| 05:23.26 | karsten | phorce1: Might also check that they're not paying with a stolen / ID-thefted card. |
| 05:23.31 | phorce1 | karsten: Need to look at my postfix setup too because setting the "disabled" flag in his account entry in the database didn't stop him from sending. Had to delete the account (wanted it left for recordkeeping) |
| 05:24.50 | phorce1 | karsten: If they stole it they 1) stole it locally (address matches their connection location) and 2) did a GOOD job stealing it because they had the CVV2 from the actual card (required by our signu up pages). |
| 05:25.04 | karsten | phorce1: cvv2? |
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| 05:25.33 | karsten | phorce1: NM, google found it. |
| 05:25.44 | phorce1 | karsten: And we've learned not to try to hit TOO hard on the cleanup fee. Easier to make the CC company agree with us when the customer submits a chargeback. |
| 05:26.13 | Ossian | tuv: yes, debian now :)) |
| 05:26.47 | karsten | phorce1: I'd suggest a terms-of-service / appropriate use agreement specifying penalties for spamming, etc., $1k minimum. |
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| 05:26.54 | tuv | Ossian, good work.. and a valuable inheritance you got there ;) |
| 05:27.12 | phorce1 | karsten: but yes, it IS low. I'll spend 3 or 4 hours cleaning up here then have to watch the DNSBLs for our IP to get listed over the next week then probably have to fight a chargeback. |
| 05:27.13 | karsten | phorce1: Covers your dealing with SpamCop, SpamHaus, SPEWS, etc., as well, goodwill losses, etc. |
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| 05:27.39 | karsten | phorce1: Right. So figure your time alone at $150/hr = $700, initial. Even $1k is a low penalty. |
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| 05:28.20 | karsten | phorce1: Just pass this on to the boss from a guy who's nailed a few spammers. |
| 05:28.25 | Ossian | tuv: I like it :) |
| 05:28.28 | phorce1 | I'll probably get the owner to adjust the wording -- right now it just says "reasonable fees" so I could charge a LOT more. |
| 05:28.34 | Ossian | then again, I like all distros |
| 05:28.49 | karsten | Ossian: All distros are equal. |
| 05:28.54 | tuv | Ossian, you should :) |
| 05:28.56 | karsten | Ossian: ... but some distros are more equal than others. |
| 05:29.36 | tuv | Ossian, you should :).. i meant you should like it, not like all distros.. |
| 05:30.19 | karsten | phorce1: Tally your actual time on task and any incidental costs / lossage / goodwill. I'd think a $5-$10k penalty would be justifiable and would help discourage spammers in the first place. |
| 05:30.21 | Ossian | karsten: tuv : lol, they all have their place. Except Deadrat, of course |
| 05:30.24 | tuv | phorce1, i installed azureus manually (no apt) so that it updates itself without problems |
| 05:30.37 | karsten | Ossian: No comment. |
| 05:31.08 | phorce1 | karsten: I'll probably figure out a minimum figure to put in the wording along with a statement that we may hit the card multiple times over an XX day period to collect our fees. |
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| 05:31.29 | karsten | phorce1: Plus court costs and collection expenses. |
| 05:32.12 | phorce1 | tuv: I like azureus for the total torrent control but torrentflux is working for me now (I use the web interface to start torrents at home while I'm at work -- BT is my "TV") |
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| 05:34.46 | NaufraGo | what command do I have to type to configure xfree86 ? |
| 05:34.53 | amphi | !drxx NaufraGo |
| 05:34.53 | dpkg | NaufraGo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 05:35.35 | phorce1 | tuv: right now there's some sort of dependency failure for a library that azureus wants. And it's 2 or 3 levels deep (ie. lib1 wont install because lib2 wont install because lib3 currently has no valid installation candidate) |
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| 05:36.13 | oomph | hello everyone |
| 05:36.18 | psychonate | jesus, nvidia-glx-legacy came back to bite me in the ass twice |
| 05:36.52 | phorce1 | oh, dpkg-reconfigure for xorg.conf is broken in Etch too. It always thinks the file has been modified by hand and refuses to change it even if you correct the MD5SUM |
| 05:37.00 | psychonate | first with some dpkg-divert nonsense, then with /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx-legacy |
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| 05:39.23 | karsten | phorce1: Intel's got a new line of Linux-supported video cards. |
| 05:39.46 | karsten | phorce1: That or radeon seems to be the way to fly. nvidia and ATI are both binary-only. |
| 05:39.56 | psychonate | phorce1, what sort of "goofiness"? |
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| 05:41.09 | phorce1 | psychonate: nVidia just seems to get harder to install cleanly with each iteration. |
| 05:41.29 | psychonate | oh, I see |
| 05:41.31 | wols_ | phorce1: do you want to play with that card? |
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| 05:42.02 | wols_ | then you need to stick to what karsten told you. and no real gaming for you |
| 05:42.15 | linuxNoob | umm hello. |
| 05:42.44 | phorce1 | wols_: see above. This round I want "plug and play" on the video card (hopefully with support for a TV out (SVID) port) |
| 05:43.09 | linuxNoob | gots the smart ones in this room? or at least alive |
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| 05:43.29 | wols_ | btw, intel is at least currently unvavailable to you too: no discrete cards |
| 05:43.33 | karsten | !tell linuxNoob about ask |
| 05:43.35 | phorce1 | wols_: I quit high refresh rate gaming a while back -- if I decide to get back in I'll uild a box just for that -- no other apps. |
| 05:44.09 | Kyuss | Ok, so I'm going a (WW) no core pointer registered when I try to start X in sarge |
| 05:44.10 | wols_ | phorce1: any radeon with the number 9250 or lower is basically what you can get |
| 05:44.11 | oomph | what do most people here run? stable or testing? |
| 05:44.22 | karsten | oomph: What's appropriate. |
| 05:44.23 | jetscreamer | no mouse, Kyuss |
| 05:44.37 | Kyuss | OH! That kind of pointer |
| 05:44.40 | jetscreamer | Kyuss: usually modprobe mousedev fixes |
| 05:44.47 | karsten | !tell oomph about releases |
| 05:44.47 | linuxNoob | so i am having install problems, plus terminal dont work on live CD, cant create child or somthing? |
| 05:45.08 | wols_ | linuxNoob: there is no debian liveCD, you can't be running debian |
| 05:45.14 | jetscreamer | Kyuss: then if it does fix it, edit /etc/modules and put the word mousedev in it |
| 05:45.18 | karsten | linuxNoob: What are you installing. How. Describe your problem in detail. Where in the install it occurs. What you did, commands, etc. |
| 05:45.34 | eviltux | gnite all |
| 05:45.38 | Kyuss | just dpkg-reconfigure Xs-xf and swith the mouse to that top option, it will work fine, great, thanks for the help |
| 05:45.41 | karsten | wols_: The debian install disks run a shell at VC2 |
| 05:45.54 | phorce1 | wols_: this box I just want SVID out and "decent" performance in X. Will be plugging in a vid capture card to grab video from my X-10 security cameras and playing with X-10 automation on this system. Be nice to be able to watch my TV shows without switching computers. |
| 05:45.54 | wols_ | karsten: this is not a liveCD |
| 05:45.58 | linuxNoob | i have GNOME version of morphix? ever heard of it? the wiki is so small |
| 05:46.13 | karsten | wols_: Arguably it is. Noob's probably confused as it is, don't make it worse. |
| 05:46.14 | jetscreamer | linuxNoob: #morphix |
| 05:46.16 | wols_ | !morphix |
| 05:46.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, morphix is a modular linux distribution that provides tools for building your own custom cd live using standard debian tools like apt-get. The prebuilt cds are made from sid (unstable) and can be installed to create a pure sid system using the installer, or http://morphix.sourceforge.net |
| 05:46.30 | Kyuss | I looked through the man files for a good 10 minutes trying to figure out what a core pointer is, I figured the kernel was having trouble processing pointers |
| 05:46.30 | karsten | wols_: You win ;-) |
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| 05:46.45 | wols_ | linuxNoob: we're the wrong place to ask. Ask morphix developers, it's their distro |
| 05:46.47 | wols_ | have a good day |
| 05:46.48 | Ossian | karsten: now I'd like to install mysql... but apt-get install mysql doesn't fnd what it needs. How do I query the APT database? |
| 05:46.52 | karsten | linuxNoob: What are you trying to do? |
| 05:46.57 | karsten | !tell Ossian about search |
| 05:46.59 | jetscreamer | Kyuss: it's what x, (xorg or xfree) call it |
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| 05:47.02 | karsten | Ossian: apt-cache search <term> |
| 05:47.06 | linuxNoob | right, so i go to that channel, in fact i see you in that channel, but no response.. so i ask for help in a more populated area |
| 05:47.10 | jetscreamer | you can have >1 |
| 05:47.12 | wols_ | Ossian: apt-cache search <stuff>... apt-get install mysql-server |
| 05:47.21 | Kyuss | and we have ignition |
| 05:47.23 | karsten | linuxNoob: morphix is off-topic here. Period. Full stop. End story. |
| 05:47.33 | wols_ | !tell linuxNoob about based on debian |
| 05:47.40 | Ossian | thanks karsten and wols_ |
| 05:47.44 | wols_ | linuxNoob: you will NOT get any help here for your morphix distro |
| 05:47.46 | karsten | Ossian: NP. |
| 05:48.36 | linuxNoob | ok, so can you help me get a basic installation of linux? |
| 05:48.43 | karsten | !debian install |
| 05:48.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian install is see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 05:48.58 | Kyuss | What sort of weird language is that... core pointer... its a mouse dangit |
| 05:48.59 | karsten | linuxNoob: Do a netinst (network install) |
| 05:49.00 | karsten | !netinst |
| 05:49.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
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| 05:49.06 | jetscreamer | linuxNoob: actually |
| 05:49.08 | jetscreamer | err |
| 05:49.19 | jetscreamer | actually, if he's got a pur sid install... |
| 05:49.21 | karsten | jetscreamer: Yes? |
| 05:49.39 | karsten | jetscreamer: AFAICT he's running morphix livecd ATM. |
| 05:49.40 | Kyuss | I mean... call it a shovel if you want, but I call a spade a spade |
| 05:49.48 | Ossian | karsten: and another... install PHP with apache support for it? |
| 05:49.53 | wols_ | karsten: I'm always loath to tell people who are obviously new with linux to install debian |
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| 05:49.57 | karsten | Kyuss: I believe that there are times when you've just got to call a spade a trenching tool. |
| 05:50.06 | karsten | Ossian: I don't go there ;-) |
| 05:50.15 | jetscreamer | well i've had to boot a kanotix cd to fix debian before |
| 05:50.17 | Kyuss | karsten, not since world war 1 |
| 05:50.19 | kinection | hello, does anybody know how to setup hplip to work with cups? |
| 05:50.25 | wols_ | Ossian: apt-cache search mod-php |grep apache |
| 05:50.26 | Ossian | karsten: lol |
| 05:50.34 | Ossian | wols_: danke! |
| 05:50.42 | karsten | Ossian: ... and /msg dpkg php5 if that's what you want. |
| 05:50.47 | streuner_ | kinection: http://localhost:631 |
| 05:50.55 | wols_ | jetscreamer: and we DO help such people |
| 05:51.04 | kinection | streuner_: it's not showing any hplips.. just gutenprints.. and my printer isn't listed |
| 05:51.10 | linuxNoob | thank you i suppose |
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| 05:51.14 | jetscreamer | kinection: if you check dmesg you might find that it refers to the printer with some mc:par nomenclature. i found that for myself it was best to instruct cups to use this, and not lp0 or whatever |
| 05:51.16 | wols_ | jetscreamer: but then there usually aren't any questions about the liveCD stuff, only about how to edit menu.lst and such |
| 05:51.16 | Kyuss | Quick question for all of you guys... |
| 05:51.22 | kinection | streuner_: although it is listed on hplip.sourceforge.net as beings upported by hplip |
| 05:51.25 | Kyuss | How many mugen characters do YOU have? |
| 05:51.28 | Kyuss | !mugen |
| 05:51.40 | Kyuss | Wot wot wot! no entry for mugen? |
| 05:51.40 | streuner_ | kinection: go to linux-printing.org and search for your printer |
| 05:51.42 | jetscreamer | i had to bitch and moan because the username knoppix was banned once |
| 05:51.55 | jetscreamer | but it got fixed right away |
| 05:51.56 | linuxNoob | so is debain easy to install? |
| 05:51.59 | karsten | linuxNoob: If you want a good, basic, getting-started distro, I'd point you at Ubuntu. Debian's very similar but you need to know a bit more to get up and running. |
| 05:52.05 | Ossian | wols_: good! done |
| 05:52.06 | zeeble | linuxNoob: easy enough. |
| 05:52.08 | jetscreamer | linuxNoob: i find it so, but i've done it a lot. |
| 05:52.12 | jetscreamer | but yeah |
| 05:52.19 | streuner_ | linuxNoob: if you able to read and to learn, yes. |
| 05:52.26 | karsten | linuxNoob: Both Debian and Ubuntu are easy to install (they use the same installer), but Ubuntu's default installation is likely going to be easier to use off the bat. |
| 05:52.36 | wols_ | linuxNoob: people new at debian find debian usually intimidating. But it varies from person to person |
| 05:53.02 | linuxNoob | ok so ubuntu have good insallation manuals? |
| 05:53.10 | Kyuss | linuxnoob: yes, I've found it quite easy to install |
| 05:53.11 | jetscreamer | Kyuss: i saw mungen in a centos /etc/bashrc or profile ... never saw the word before |
| 05:53.15 | karsten | linuxNoob: One question would be what your goals in installing Linux are. Personal use. Learning for a job? Specific distro in use at work or desired workplace, etc. |
| 05:53.21 | jetscreamer | linuxNoob: yes. oh and it's #ubuntu |
| 05:53.35 | karsten | linuxNoob: Pretty bone-simple installation process. Just follow the prompts. |
| 05:53.47 | linuxNoob | my goal is to learn to use linux |
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| 05:54.02 | Kyuss | gotta know a little lingo though, like understanding to select ftp when configuring apt |
| 05:54.09 | linuxNoob | i used to run a linux command promt emulator in WinXP |
| 05:54.34 | linuxNoob | but just to compile simple telnet servers |
| 05:54.34 | phorce1 | am I new at Debian if I started with Bo? |
| 05:54.41 | wols_ | wth is a linux command promt emulator ? |
| 05:54.47 | karsten | linuxNoob: Take your pick. Ubuntu or Debian. I'd recommend netinst for Debian, read the installation manual. Good docs at http://www.debian.org/docs/ |
| 05:54.51 | Kyuss | like dosbox... only in reverse? |
| 05:55.00 | karsten | phorce1: Yes. ;-) |
| 05:55.07 | streuner_ | wols_: he prolly talking about qemu or such :-) |
| 05:55.16 | karsten | wols_: ... or cygwin. |
| 05:55.26 | wols_ | thinking about it, maybe a bash ro gnutools thingie |
| 05:55.27 | karsten | ... or SFU |
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| 05:55.33 | Kyuss | I've had the distinct pleasure of working on an AX system and using fortran |
| 05:55.43 | karsten | Kyuss: AX? |
| 05:55.52 | karsten | wols_: AXI? |
| 05:55.59 | Kyuss | AIX, thank you |
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| 05:56.02 | wols_ | karsten: what he wanted to apply to the system. freudian slip |
| 05:56.03 | jzu | Hi. |
| 05:56.03 | jetscreamer | i almost started learning fortran once :) |
| 05:56.11 | jetscreamer | dear old dad |
| 05:56.13 | karsten | wols_: Truth will out. |
| 05:56.17 | jzu | Should I run kernel 2.4 or 2.6 on sparc64? |
| 05:56.22 | Kyuss | lol, I got the book from my dad as well |
| 05:56.26 | jzu | I'm running Sun Ultra 2, 2x 300MHz UltraSPARC2 with debian |
| 05:56.37 | karsten | jzu: 2.6 unless you've got specific reasons not to. Easy enough to try either. |
| 05:56.49 | kinection | streuner_: my printer is being detected as a 3840 (it's a 3847) http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/inkjet.html lists the 3847 as working with hplip 0.9.5. linux-printer .org only lists 3840 and 3845. |
| 05:56.52 | jzu | karsten: yeah, I just thought, that does sparc64 have issues with 2.6 or so. |
| 05:57.07 | karsten | jzu: /msg dpgk bts |
| 05:57.08 | Kyuss | 2x... 300 mhz? |
| 05:57.15 | jzu | karsten: is there any "major" difference between 2.4 and 2.6? |
| 05:57.23 | jzu | Kyuss: yes, 2x 300MHz UltraSPARC2 |
| 05:57.25 | karsten | jzu: Read the changelog ;-) |
| 05:57.32 | jzu | karsten: yeah ;) |
| 05:57.32 | jetscreamer | heh i just started realizing lately he was a coder... is. and apparently not a bad one. i always just though of it as the job he had. |
| 05:57.37 | karsten | jzu: udev for starters. Bunch of devices. Hotplug. |
| 05:57.48 | phorce1 | bah #bash is dead. |
| 05:57.49 | jetscreamer | thought* |
| 05:57.52 | wols_ | jzu: new scheduler |
| 05:57.56 | linuxNoob | ok so witch debain do i install? |
| 05:57.59 | jetscreamer | die udev! |
| 05:58.02 | jzu | karsten: is /proc useless, should I disable it?-) |
| 05:58.03 | karsten | linuxNoob: sarge |
| 05:58.09 | jzu | karsten: I'm going to harden my debian |
| 05:58.09 | karsten | jzu: No, it's not useless. |
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| 05:58.13 | karsten | jzu: Quite the contrary. |
| 05:58.14 | wols_ | jetscreamer: it's still young. give it time to mature |
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| 05:58.23 | wols_ | right now, it should not be in etch tho, I agree |
| 05:58.24 | streuner_ | kinection: http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/install.php |
| 05:58.28 | karsten | jzu: Might opt to mount it nosuid though. Vuln exploited that. |
| 05:58.33 | jetscreamer | linux.hp.com |
| 05:58.51 | Kyuss | I'm confused... why does debian default to the mail server configuration in tasksel when nothing is selected? |
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| 05:59.05 | jetscreamer | you need one for system mail |
| 05:59.12 | jzu | Kyuss: my sparc rules, I just ordered 1GB ram for it <3 |
| 05:59.16 | wols_ | karsten: define "ntohing". besides: a proper linux needs a MTA |
| 05:59.17 | karsten | Kyuss: system mail is useful for numerous things & notifications. |
| 05:59.20 | jetscreamer | like when something gets fuxored, it emails you localy |
| 05:59.20 | linuxNoob | ok the network install one |
| 05:59.21 | Kyuss | 300mhz is fast? |
| 05:59.23 | jzu | Kyuss: 2GB is maximum, I thought 1GB is enough,. |
| 05:59.26 | karsten | wols_: ?? |
| 05:59.30 | phorce1 | Kyuss: because you need a mail server for local mail |
| 05:59.32 | karsten | wols_: Misfire. |
| 05:59.34 | jzu | Kyuss: nah, not that, it's back from 96 :) |
| 05:59.38 | wols_ | karsten: as usual :( |
| 05:59.40 | linuxNoob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:59.49 | linuxNoob | what do i download? |
| 05:59.50 | wols_ | linuxNoob: i386 |
| 05:59.52 | Kyuss | you're running an intel chip? |
| 05:59.53 | jetscreamer | the one you have |
| 05:59.54 | karsten | linuxNoob: What's your system? |
| 06:00.08 | jetscreamer | (intel, amd) i386 |
| 06:00.10 | jzu | Kyuss: but I think it's enough for apache and 10x irssi + 2 icecasts |
| 06:00.22 | karsten | linuxNoob: likely i386, possibly ia64 if you've got an Intel-based 64 bit CPU. |
| 06:00.24 | linuxNoob | i have an AMD, onboard graphics.. a DVD player and a crappy HD |
| 06:00.32 | phorce1 | jzu: standard sparc RAM? 128Meg sticks? What did you pay? I would like to upgrade al of the Ultra1s I have to 1G each |
| 06:00.35 | jetscreamer | i386 |
| 06:00.36 | wols_ | karsten: wrong thing to say |
| 06:00.40 | linuxNoob | plus highspeed through cable router |
| 06:00.42 | karsten | linuxNoob: i386. amd64 is only supported in etch. |
| 06:00.43 | karsten | wols_: ?? |
| 06:00.47 | jzu | phorce1: check the querty ;> |
| 06:00.50 | karsten | wols_: Too detailed? |
| 06:01.00 | wols_ | karsten: anyone then assumes their cool new pentium 64bit capable CPU is IA64 |
| 06:01.17 | Kyuss | they aren't? |
| 06:01.18 | linuxNoob | AMD Athlon 900Mhz, 300somthing megs of ram |
| 06:01.21 | karsten | wols_: He'll find out soon enough if he doesn't ;-) |
| 06:01.22 | wols_ | people who run a Itanic usually know their hardware and what they need |
| 06:01.29 | Kyuss | Yes, i386 definately |
| 06:01.37 | karsten | wols_: The icebergs are a dead giveaway. |
| 06:01.47 | streuner_ | dpkg, no hpinkjet install is <reply> http://hplip.sourceforge.net/install/index.html |
| 06:01.47 | dpkg | streuner_: okay |
| 06:02.07 | jzu | phorce1: *query |
| 06:02.16 | wols_ | karsten: more like the 1000$ per CPU with the 150W thermal dissipation: fanblowers stick out |
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| 06:02.28 | linuxNoob | I'm not going to be able to get through this install am i? dose it autodetect hardware? where do i get drivers? |
| 06:02.28 | karsten | wols_: Damned fanboys again. |
| 06:02.54 | karsten | linuxNoob: drivers are with the kernel. Most of your HW (cpu, disk, ram, network, sound, video) are detected. |
| 06:02.59 | Kyuss | What archetecture are those 150ghz chips? |
| 06:03.08 | streuner_ | linuxNoob: read install guide (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 06:03.14 | linuxNoob | thank you. |
| 06:03.19 | karsten | linuxNoob: Some stuff may need postinstallation configuration, but you'll have a usable system. |
| 06:03.20 | wols_ | Kyuss: W != Megahurtz |
| 06:03.28 | jzu | phorce1: did you checked the query?:D |
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| 06:03.37 | karsten | Kyuss: 150GHz is classified ;-) |
| 06:03.45 | Kyuss | wols_: that was an unrelated question |
| 06:03.54 | Kyuss | and no, 150ghz is not classified |
| 06:04.04 | linuxNoob | what is jigdo? will that help me? |
| 06:04.06 | Kyuss | they have 500ghz chips |
| 06:04.13 | karsten | linuxNoob: No. |
| 06:04.17 | karsten | linuxNoob: Netinst. |
| 06:04.25 | Kyuss | !jigdo |
| 06:04.25 | dpkg | jigdo is probably *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 06:04.26 | wols_ | Kyuss: they have 500GHz _transistors_ not really usable chips |
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| 06:04.46 | Kyuss | the article said chip |
| 06:05.14 | karsten | linuxNoob: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 06:05.17 | Kyuss | you're probably right, but the article said chip |
| 06:05.23 | karsten | linuxNoob: download and burn that. Boot it. Follow the prompts. |
| 06:05.36 | karsten | linuxNoob: Assuming you're doing single-boot, not dual-boot (eg: Linux + XP). |
| 06:05.57 | karsten | Kyuss: Don't confuse him with that. |
| 06:06.00 | jetscreamer | but it was woody |
| 06:06.17 | Kyuss | lol, I haven't used jigdo, actually have no idea what it is |
| 06:06.23 | jetscreamer | just d/l either the netinst or the businesscard |
| 06:06.26 | wols_ | jetscreamer: i think only the jigdo devs could love jugdo :) |
| 06:06.30 | wols_ | *i |
| 06:06.31 | jetscreamer | and burn it |
| 06:06.32 | Kyuss | but I do know that they do have 150ghz chips |
| 06:06.33 | jetscreamer | boot it |
| 06:06.39 | PumpkinPie | who does? |
| 06:06.43 | jetscreamer | and you'll be done and up in about 30 minutes |
| 06:07.00 | karsten | Kyuss: it assembles a disk using the standard Debian archives rather than a dedicated ISO image server. Distributed bandwidth and makes d/l much more efficient, *if* you are trying to build a full set of installation disks. |
| 06:07.07 | linuxNoob | wait.. 8 megs shared.. dose that affect installing and/or booting? do i need a better board? |
| 06:07.09 | Kyuss | jzu, are you on dial-up? |
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| 06:07.21 | jetscreamer | it's kinda like bittorrent but somehow different |
| 06:07.23 | karsten | Kyuss: Since netinst already bypasses that by just packing an installer + boot environment on a minimal CD, it's inappropriate here. |
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| 06:07.27 | jetscreamer | i guess |
| 06:07.33 | karsten | linuxNoob: 8 MB shared what? |
| 06:07.53 | linuxNoob | somone asked my memory? |
| 06:07.54 | PumpkinPie | 150 GHZ of what? microwave signal? |
| 06:07.55 | jetscreamer | video memory? nah it's ok |
| 06:07.56 | wols_ | karsten: video |
| 06:08.11 | karsten | linuxNoob: ... and I would *strongly* recommend you d/l the netinst image and try it rather than preempt a bunch of issues. |
| 06:08.13 | jetscreamer | how much ram total is what he probably asked you |
| 06:08.24 | wols_ | linuxNoob: do you only have a shared memory videocard? since your PC should have at least 128MB, better 256MB RAM |
| 06:08.29 | PumpkinPie | 150 GHZ means as much as my dog eating his own throw up means |
| 06:08.53 | linuxNoob | no card |
| 06:08.54 | Kyuss | 150ghz chips, for a computer, and they run linux on it |
| 06:08.57 | linuxNoob | onboard |
| 06:08.59 | Kyuss | unix, my bad |
| 06:09.03 | Kyuss | at some university |
| 06:09.12 | karsten | linuxNoob: 4 GB disk + 96MB RAM + 100 MHz system is a relatively low-end configuration for a Linux box. Anything better than that is not going to be an issue. |
| 06:09.15 | jetscreamer | linuxNoob: what kind just to be curious |
| 06:09.23 | karsten | linuxNoob: You can actually go below that but you're going to be pretty constrained. |
| 06:10.01 | nvz | karsten: low-end for an X system you can run on a lot less |
| 06:10.09 | linuxNoob | can i adjust the amount of memory shared, like a bios feature or somthing? |
| 06:10.15 | jetscreamer | usually yes |
| 06:10.15 | jzu | Kyuss: nope, how come? |
| 06:10.21 | karsten | nvz: I know. I have. |
| 06:10.23 | jetscreamer | but 8 is fine |
| 06:10.25 | wols_ | nvz: not newbies. even 96MB is too low )kde, gnome won't run) |
| 06:10.26 | nvz | I had a hell of a time playing mp3s though with 8mb, but even thats possible |
| 06:10.30 | jetscreamer | you can make it more if you want |
| 06:10.38 | phorce1 | jzu: sorry -- got involved in another channel. Checked the query? |
| 06:10.38 | Kyuss | because net install on a dial up system... = ew |
| 06:10.43 | jetscreamer | linuxNoob: do you know how much memory you have total? |
| 06:11.05 | karsten | nvz: Just pointing out that if he's got anything more than that (and we're talking ~1997 vintage here), he doesn't need to worry about runnability. |
| 06:11.06 | wols_ | linuxNoob: those 8MB are your VIDEO memory. it's not what you have for main memory |
| 06:11.15 | karsten | nvz: Of course, reasonable performance is another thing. |
| 06:11.27 | jetscreamer | 8 is usually the low end of what you can set it to btw |
| 06:11.31 | wols_ | linuxNoob: and while you can change that in BIOS normally, 8MB is enough for your system |
| 06:11.36 | linuxNoob | 379.3 megs of memory is what this LiveCD says in sys monitor |
| 06:11.41 | jzu | Kyuss: I'm ircing from my shell. |
| 06:11.42 | jetscreamer | you're fine |
| 06:11.44 | nvz | karsten: yeah I got an HP vectra here I was using fine for a while with less ram than that.. but it has an MMX 233 in it |
| 06:11.48 | karsten | linuxNoob: If you've got Morphix on the box now, terminal, and run 'free' |
| 06:11.52 | jzu | Kyuss: I'm putting up unikko.org in few weeks, running on my SPARC :) |
| 06:12.03 | jzu | Kyuss: getting it to 10Mbps symmetric DSL |
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| 06:12.09 | Xorm | O_O |
| 06:12.21 | karsten | nvz: 486-33, 32MB, 512 MB |
| 06:12.33 | jzu | phorce1: check your query with me. |
| 06:12.35 | linuxNoob | i cannot terminal in morphix |
| 06:12.35 | Xorm | 10 |
| 06:12.41 | jzu | 09:00 <jzu> how many SPARCs do you have? |
| 06:12.41 | jzu | 09:03 <jzu> it was 30$ + 25$ P&P from ebay, so 55$ off ebay. |
| 06:12.41 | linuxNoob | EVERYTHING else works |
| 06:12.47 | Kyuss | O.o they... found... a snake... with two feet? |
| 06:12.48 | jzu | phorce1: there you go |
| 06:12.48 | linuxNoob | just not that |
| 06:13.01 | jetscreamer | linuxNoob: is that a console, or an xterm |
| 06:13.14 | karsten | jetscreamer: Irrelevant |
| 06:13.21 | karsten | jetscreamer: let's avoid confusion, eh? |
| 06:13.30 | amphi | Kyuss: you're not a follower of David Icke? |
| 06:13.38 | Kyuss | Who? |
| 06:13.46 | karsten | linuxNoob: 380MB is plenty of RAM. |
| 06:13.50 | linuxNoob | ok |
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| 06:14.00 | amphi | Kyuss: http://www.davidicke.com/index.php/ |
| 06:14.10 | nvz | ever smelled a roasted/smoked watermellon before? |
| 06:14.15 | linuxNoob | this is not console, this is some sort of windowsy thing |
| 06:14.33 | Kyuss | I was just looking at scienceblog.com |
| 06:14.37 | karsten | linuxNoob: If you don't mind my asking, how old are you? |
| 06:14.58 | linuxNoob | too old, and too stoned. thank you for your help |
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| 06:15.07 | Kyuss | Amphi: Lam? |
| 06:15.09 | tuv | why are most php web application depend on apache in debian? they can work with other httpd's with php support! |
| 06:15.13 | karsten | stoned: A friend of yours? |
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| 06:15.21 | tuv | *applications |
| 06:15.22 | ernstp | what's the command and package do create a repository structure? |
| 06:15.22 | karsten | tuv: Lazy devs. |
| 06:15.22 | amphi | Kyuss: Lam? |
| 06:15.37 | karsten | ernstp: repository of what? |
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| 06:15.48 | Kyuss | amphi: laaaaaaaaaaam |
| 06:15.51 | ernstp | karsten: debian packages! |
| 06:16.03 | Kyuss | lol, do you not know of the lam statement? |
| 06:16.08 | karsten | ernstp: apt-proxy? |
| 06:16.09 | windowmaker | i'm making a counter-strike server for my friends and i out of old parts, and i plan on using debian but i can't use a net-inst CD... how many of the regular CDs would i need just for a server? |
| 06:16.18 | karsten | windowmaker: 1 |
| 06:16.31 | ernstp | karsten: no, not a clone of another repo |
| 06:16.32 | windowmaker | karsten: awesome, thanks |
| 06:16.36 | tarzeau | ernstp: see the update script in www.linuks.mine.nu/debian/ |
| 06:16.41 | tuv | karsten, maybe a new virtual package need to be created.. something like httpd-php (httpd with php support) to distinguish httpds suitable for such dependencies |
| 06:16.43 | amphi | Kyuss: I was recently (in another channel) accused of lacking 'reptilian awareness'... |
| 06:16.54 | karsten | windowmaker: assuming that you _are_ planning on getting that box networked at some point. |
| 06:17.05 | Kyuss | amphi: http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/snake-with-two-feet-appears-in-shandong-china-11552.html |
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| 06:17.09 | karsten | tuv: Perhaps. Might discuss on debian-devel, or file a wishlist bug. |
| 06:17.13 | amphi | Kyuss: ta |
| 06:17.27 | Kyuss | atavism? |
| 06:17.28 | tuv | karsten, wishlist bug against which package? |
| 06:17.36 | windowmaker | karsten: well, it's gonna be a server so of course it's gonna be networked |
| 06:17.40 | karsten | windowmaker: Debian install disks are ordered by package popularity. A standard base install only requires the first disk. |
| 06:17.47 | karsten | windowmaker: ... and as I though WRT net. |
| 06:17.49 | tuv | karsten, btw, do you know of any httpd with no php support? |
| 06:17.54 | amphi | a case of atavism, eh? |
| 06:17.56 | gilead | hello |
| 06:18.05 | karsten | tuv: php, possibly any compatible webserver. |
| 06:18.05 | ernstp | there's a debian tool to build a package repository, create Packages.gz files etc |
| 06:18.06 | wols_ | tuv: lighttpd |
| 06:18.12 | karsten | tuv: Nope. |
| 06:18.12 | windowmaker | karsten: is there a cost for ordering them? |
| 06:18.15 | tuv | wols_, it does support php |
| 06:18.16 | karsten | tuv: Not my baliwick. |
| 06:18.19 | karsten | windowmaker: popcon |
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| 06:18.23 | karsten | !tell windowmaker about popcon |
| 06:18.33 | wols_ | tuv: you'd be hard pressed to find a webserver without cgi support |
| 06:18.39 | karsten | windowmaker: Erm. Sorry, wrong question. Freely downloadable. |
| 06:18.59 | karsten | windowmaker: /msg dpkg di |
| 06:18.59 | Kyuss | Yes, indeed. That is an interesting concept, I wonder if one could manufacture a chemical that would trigger atavism to a certain descendant over the course of a few generations |
| 06:19.03 | windowmaker | karsten: ah, thankyou |
| 06:19.12 | tuv | wols_, then it makes sense for php web application packages to depend on httpd rather than apache, doesn't it? |
| 06:19.16 | Kyuss | like morphing chickens into a raptor over 20 generations or something |
| 06:19.29 | karsten | tuv: a PHP-compatible httpd, ideally. |
| 06:19.33 | wols_ | tuv: which php package to you mean? |
| 06:19.38 | amphi | Kyuss: the human would benefit from a chemical that would do the reverse... |
| 06:19.42 | gilead | I have machine A behind NAT and machine B on the internet. I need to connect to B from A but it's impossible (there's no port forwarding). I heard it's possible to open ssh connection from A to B and then use it from B to work on A. How do I do it / how is it called (what should I google for)? |
| 06:19.46 | karsten | Kyuss: well, spotted owl _does_ taste just like chicken.... |
| 06:19.58 | karsten | gilead: ssh port forwarding. |
| 06:20.10 | tuv | wols_, i filed a wishlist bug against cacti before and it got fixed (depends on httpd now). and just came across torrentflux to find the same issue |
| 06:20.13 | Kyuss | amphi: all our evolution has done thus far is make us find better, faster, bigger ways to kill eachother. |
| 06:20.22 | gilead | karsten: yep, but I have no control over the router behind which A is so it's not an option |
| 06:20.25 | karsten | Kyuss: red queen. |
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| 06:20.33 | Kyuss | Not saying other nice things haven't spawned from that endevor... |
| 06:20.38 | Kyuss | red... queen? |
| 06:20.40 | fhuussd | is there a good virus scanner for debian? |
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| 06:20.46 | karsten | gilead: Then forward from a public box you *do* have control over |
| 06:20.47 | gilead | it must be done through connection originating from the machine behind NAT |
| 06:20.49 | karsten | fhuussd: clamav |
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| 06:21.04 | karsten | gilead: You're going to have to start behind the NAT *anyhow*. |
| 06:21.06 | amphi | Kyuss: not really - most technical development has taken place in an eye blink compared to the timescales evolution works at |
| 06:21.09 | wols_ | karsten: ssh portforwarding usually means "tunnel via ssh". that's not what he needs |
| 06:21.12 | gilead | karsten: I can do it |
| 06:21.14 | ernstp | tarzeau: there should be a debian tool to update a repo |
| 06:21.15 | karsten | wols_: It isn't? |
| 06:21.17 | wols_ | gilead: simply portforward port 22 on your router |
| 06:21.26 | karsten | wols_: Hrm... |
| 06:21.30 | gilead | wols_: it's not my machine and I can't do it :( |
| 06:21.38 | tarzeau | ernstp: did you read the script? |
| 06:21.42 | wols_ | gilead: then you are out of luck mostly |
| 06:21.48 | karsten | gilead: Is 'B' publicly accessible? |
| 06:21.53 | wols_ | gilead: you could tunnel |
| 06:21.56 | gilead | bam: yes |
| 06:21.59 | karsten | gilead: ...and/or is port 22 being blocked at the router / gateway? |
| 06:22.19 | gilead | I can phone to someone sitting at the A's keyboard but they're skilled enough to enter some single magical command but not enough to do the work I need to do :) |
| 06:22.21 | Kyuss | I understand that it is a scale issue, but since man's inception... his sole purpose has been mainly to kill things |
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| 06:22.23 | karsten | wols_: The way I read this is A => <router> => B |
| 06:22.29 | wols_ | gilead: how can B be poublically accessibly when it's behind a NAT? |
| 06:22.33 | ernstp | tarzeau: now I found the script! |
| 06:22.34 | karsten | wols_: ... which should be straightforward unless router blocks traffic. |
| 06:22.39 | gilead | wols_: A is behind NAT, B is on the net |
| 06:22.40 | karsten | wols_: A is behind NAT. |
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| 06:22.53 | linuxNoob | ok so i decided to make network install floopies instead of CD image, is this a hopless pursuit for a newb? |
| 06:22.59 | karsten | gilead: Why can't you ssh directly from A to B? |
| 06:23.05 | karsten | linuxNoob: Nope. |
| 06:23.09 | tuv | wols_, so i get the feeling it's a common problem |
| 06:23.29 | karsten | linuxNoob: Make sure you get the full set: boot.img cd-drivers.img net-drivers.img root.img |
| 06:23.35 | Kyuss | linuxnoob: I haven't tried the floppies, but I don't suppose it will be much different. How many floppies does it require? |
| 06:23.38 | gilead | karsten: I can, but I'm far away from A and I need to do something on it |
| 06:23.53 | gilead | karsten: well, not 'I' but someone I can tell to do it |
| 06:23.54 | wols_ | linuxNoob: any special reason you don't want to download a CD? |
| 06:23.56 | karsten | gilead: OK, then what's this 'C' you haven't mentioned and how does it fit in? |
| 06:24.13 | Kyuss | gilead: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:24.15 | gilead | karsten: heh, "C" is the machine I'm sitting at right now. |
| 06:24.20 | karsten | linuxNoob: I've done basic bootfloppies install recently. |
| 06:24.28 | karsten | gilead: And where is it network-topology wise? |
| 06:24.41 | karsten | gilead: Adjacent to A? Different NAT? Subnet? |
| 06:24.50 | karsten | gilead: .. and what needs to be shared? A or B? |
| 06:24.57 | gilead | ok, A is at my home. B is my server I have control over and which I'm using right now. I need to connect to home machine and do stuff on it. |
| 06:25.09 | karsten | gilead: C? |
| 06:25.15 | gilead | karsten: no C |
| 06:25.25 | iLLf8d | apt-get install abconnector |
| 06:25.38 | karsten | gilead: come back when you've got your story straight. |
| 06:25.46 | gilead | there are only two machines. A is inaccessible from outside but it can freely connect to the net. B is available both ways. |
| 06:25.48 | Kyuss | gilead: Not sure what OS you run at home |
| 06:25.58 | gilead | Kyuss: Debian all the way! :) |
| 06:26.21 | wols_ | gilead: imho what you need is a VPN |
| 06:26.24 | Kyuss | I'm no help then, but configuring your router to accept RDC connections with windows is freaking cake |
| 06:27.10 | Kyuss | wols_: he could do it with client software like PC Anywhere, or he could do some port config on the router and use TightVNC |
| 06:27.13 | Ossian | bye |
| 06:27.14 | gilead | Kyuss: I don't have windows at all, and, unfortunately, router is at my ISP and they're... problematic. No public ports. :/ |
| 06:27.16 | iLLf8d | Kyuss, actually in this case it'd be a problem still since it sounds like he can't get back through his fw from the outside |
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| 06:27.34 | karsten | linuxNoob: How goes? |
| 06:28.06 | Kyuss | my ISP freaking rocks then, because I have free reign over any port I want |
| 06:28.26 | gilead | I read somewhere long time ago that I can connect with ssh from machine A to B and then use that connection to talk to A from B. Is that true? |
| 06:28.28 | karsten | gilead: Run sshd on an alternate port then. |
| 06:28.35 | iLLf8d | gilead, just ssh through or setup an ssh tunnel and vnc |
| 06:28.40 | karsten | gilead: Yes. ssh port forward. Told you that already. |
| 06:29.20 | gilead | hm. When I google about 'ssh tunnelin' I get tutorials about setting one-way connection only (for WiFi security for example). |
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| 06:29.38 | linuxNoob | actually, is it easier to download then entire thing at once and make a bootable DVD? |
| 06:29.48 | iLLf8d | gilead, you're missing something conceptually |
| 06:29.48 | Kyuss | No, no its not. |
| 06:29.58 | gilead | iLLf8d: ? |
| 06:29.59 | Kyuss | I've had nothing but trouble with the dvd |
| 06:30.21 | Kyuss | but the net installer cd makes me feel all warm and fuzzy whenever I run it |
| 06:30.24 | karsten | gilead: http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1816 |
| 06:31.17 | sep | gilead, yes a argument like -L localport:host_to_talk_to:port_to_talk_to will do that. then you can talk to 127.0.0.1:localport and it will go thru tunnel and towards host_to_talk_to from the host you are ssh 'd into |
| 06:31.20 | karsten | gilead: ssh -L 22:remoteserver:4022 remoteserver |
| 06:31.34 | karsten | gilead: Connections to remoteserver port 4022 will forward to your local SSH server. |
| 06:32.05 | karsten | gilead: The forwarding is happening over your _existing_ outbound connection to the remote server (its port 22). |
| 06:32.14 | gilead | ok, reading, thanks guys, will be back with questions or more thanks :) |
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| 06:32.25 | wols_ | linuxNoob: it is easier to download a CD ISO for the netinst and burn that |
| 06:32.34 | gilead | karsten: why do I need to specify localport? |
| 06:32.45 | iLLf8d | karsten, that first ones supposed to be localhost isn't it? |
| 06:32.48 | karsten | gilead: You need to specify ports at both ends. |
| 06:32.50 | gilead | karsten: is it local incoming or outgoing port? |
| 06:32.56 | sshock | Anyone know where I can find a good tutorial on netfilter (iptables) and 26sec (kernel 2.6 ipsec)? |
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| 06:33.09 | Kyuss | :me wonders which Kyuss Karsten is talking about. |
| 06:33.10 | karsten | gilead: Locally, the port you want to connect to on the local machine when forwarding. Remotely, the port which is to be forwarded. |
| 06:33.23 | Kyuss | I've met 83 others, I'd be interested to know which one you've met |
| 06:33.26 | karsten | gilead: As specified, you're forwarding to a local port from the remote host. |
| 06:33.30 | Kyuss | and I'm a young one |
| 06:33.35 | sshock | I think it has something to do with the mangle table, but I don't know exactly what rules to add |
| 06:33.46 | gilead | ok |
| 06:33.47 | karsten | Kyuss: viz: old cuss, young cuss. |
| 06:33.54 | Kyuss | was it the DJ that lives in the UK? Because I've been trying to track him down for 3 years |
| 06:34.13 | karsten | gilead: This is happening at the application layer, rather than, say, kernel IP tables, etc. Very flexible, a bit more overhead. |
| 06:34.18 | karsten | Kyuss: US slang. |
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| 06:35.08 | Kyuss | dude, I'm from the US and I still don't know what the heck you just said |
| 06:35.23 | karsten | Kyuss: And you think that makes *you* special? ;-) |
| 06:35.32 | rohan | what utility can i use, to find out which package has the "xorgconfig" file ? |
| 06:35.36 | Kyuss | No, I think that makes me curious |
| 06:35.41 | karsten | rohan: xserver-xorg |
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| 06:35.46 | streuner_ | rohan: /msg dpkg search |
| 06:35.46 | rohan | since dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is making a LOT of mistakes :( |
| 06:35.54 | karsten | Kyuss: old cuss == old codger == old fart |
| 06:36.17 | streuner_ | rohan: sounds like a bug then |
| 06:36.24 | Kyuss | Ah, thank you for elaborating |
| 06:36.26 | sshock | KLIPS seemed a lot easier with the whole ipsec0 virtual interface, but it looks like 26sec is the new standard |
| 06:36.31 | karsten | rohan: Presuming you're misspelling /etc/X11/xorg.conf as "xorgconfig" |
| 06:36.31 | streuner_ | rohan: did you read BTS? |
| 06:36.47 | wols_ | !tell rohan about pdo |
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| 06:37.16 | wols_ | !tell rohan about pdo |
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| 06:37.58 | wols_ | Kyuss: your name is/was a band |
| 06:38.05 | rohan | bah, disconnected |
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| 06:38.21 | rohan | well, apt-file consumes a lot of bandwidth, and i don't have gui running |
| 06:38.30 | rohan | which package contains the xorgconfig utility ? |
| 06:38.43 | wols_ | rohan: pay attention |
| 06:38.50 | rohan | wols_: i was disconnected |
| 06:38.59 | karsten | !tell rohan about pdo |
| 06:39.03 | wols_ | dpkg msged you AFTER you reconnected |
| 06:39.04 | tuv | rohan, to search in installed packages only, use 'dpkg -S <correct-filename>' |
| 06:39.04 | karsten | !tell rohan about search |
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| 06:39.15 | rohan | thanks :) |
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| 06:39.25 | rohan | but still, i don't have any gui .. probably gotta use elinks :D |
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| 06:39.33 | wols_ | rohan: but I doubt you will find what you search |
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| 06:39.38 | rohan | wols_: why so ? |
| 06:39.49 | tuv | rohan, besides, apt-file searches in a local cache. it only uses bandwidth when doing 'apt-file update' |
| 06:39.52 | wols_ | cause it's not there? |
| 06:40.17 | rohan | wols_: oh, debian does not include the xorgconfig utility ? |
| 06:40.39 | tuv | debian has dpkg-reconfigure :) |
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| 06:40.47 | rohan | tuv: which isnt working :) |
| 06:40.48 | wols_ | tuv: which IS shit for xorg |
| 06:40.58 | wols_ | the one for xfree86 was better |
| 06:41.04 | tuv | rohan, wols_: that is a temporary situation |
| 06:41.06 | linuxNoob | burning burning burning |
| 06:41.17 | rohan | even though i selected imps2 as my mouse protocol, it is still using explorerps2 ! |
| 06:41.23 | rohan | which is damned strange ! |
| 06:41.38 | tuv | rohan, did you restart X after the changes |
| 06:41.38 | tuv | ? |
| 06:41.46 | rohan | X wasnt starting at all |
| 06:41.49 | rohan | the mouse problem is just one |
| 06:41.53 | linuxNoob | hhey, is there a nero type program available for linux? |
| 06:42.00 | wols_ | tuv: considering xorg was only a fork of xfree86 I'm puzzled why it became crap. my guess is the "gnome disease" |
| 06:42.00 | rohan | keep it aside .. then see -- when i do startx - |
| 06:42.00 | rohan | (EE) I810(0): No valid modes found |
| 06:42.01 | rohan | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 06:42.06 | pihhan | linuxNoob, k3b |
| 06:42.09 | karsten | !setup x |
| 06:42.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 06:42.09 | linuxNoob | with uber options |
| 06:42.15 | Malagmyr_ | I thought Nero WAS available for linux. |
| 06:42.24 | wols_ | linuxNoob: if you own Nero, you can download a Linux version from their website |
| 06:42.26 | tuv | wols_, it's a well known problem of md5 checksums |
| 06:42.35 | karsten | Malagmyr_: IIRC there _is_ a port, but it's crap. |
| 06:42.41 | rohan | karsten: yes, i have said no to framebuffer |
| 06:42.42 | karsten | Malagmyr_: k3b or cdrecord. |
| 06:42.47 | gilead | do I need to set up port forwarding on NAT-ed machine as well? I get 'bind: address already in use'/' cannot listen to port 22'/'could not request local forwarding' |
| 06:42.53 | karsten | gilead: No. |
| 06:43.01 | tuv | !tell wols_ about xorgmd5 |
| 06:43.08 | karsten | gilead: Presuming you *can* ssh from A to B, you can set up the forward as described. |
| 06:43.13 | rohan | karsten: and the required packages are installed too ! |
| 06:43.18 | karsten | gilead: If you *can't* ssh from A to B, you've got other issues. |
| 06:43.19 | linuxNoob | i own like seven differant copys, but they all ask for more money. |
| 06:43.28 | wols_ | tuv: what is a md5 checksum problem? |
| 06:43.40 | tuv | !tell wols_ about xorgmd5 |
| 06:43.42 | karsten | wols_: A problem with an md5 checksum. |
| 06:43.45 | linuxNoob | damn bundled consumer software |
| 06:43.50 | wols_ | linuxNoob: then you don't own but downloaded the trial |
| 06:43.53 | tuv | wols_, read what dpkg told you |
| 06:43.53 | gilead | karsten: I can, I'm testing it currently on two fully connected machines and, after displaying errors above, it connects using plain ssh |
| 06:44.02 | karsten | linuxNoob: Yeah, those bundled consumers do it to me every time. |
| 06:44.05 | wols_ | tuv: read what I typed |
| 06:44.17 | rohan | tuv: can you please help me solve this problem ? |
| 06:44.17 | karsten | gilead: When you set up the forward, you want that connection to persist. |
| 06:44.22 | wols_ | I was just puzzled why you assumed I had a md5sum problem with xorg.conf |
| 06:44.29 | wols_ | karsten: I KNOW what that prioblem is |
| 06:44.34 | karsten | gilead: Then try connecting to the forwarded remote port. |
| 06:44.48 | karsten | gilead: Should give you a login on your *local* system (A). |
| 06:45.01 | karsten | gilead: Forwarded remote is 9022 or whatever I said earlier. |
| 06:45.06 | gilead | karsten: connection refused (but no surprise as it said no local forwarding) |
| 06:45.24 | karsten | gilead: Enable and rehup sshd (/etc/init.d/ssh reload) |
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| 06:46.19 | tuv | wols_, your question implied otherwise! |
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| 06:46.49 | wols_ | tuv: xorg started as a xfree86 fork, so they could have used the debconf xfree86 scripts. however they wanted to make it "simpler" and not confuse users about refresh rates and such. And in the process made it totally crap. -> gnome disease |
| 06:46.52 | tuv | rohan, did you do a lot of changes in your xorg.conf? |
| 06:47.01 | rohan | tuv: i haven't touched that file |
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| 06:47.07 | rohan | i mean, i've just read it, not edited it ! |
| 06:47.19 | pihhan | anyway |
| 06:47.38 | pihhan | how many monitors can you parse using parse-edid? |
| 06:47.39 | tuv | rohan, so why X doesn't start? what exactly are the errors you see in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 06:47.50 | tuv | <wols_> tuv: what is a md5 checksum problem? |
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| 06:47.52 | poige | Hello, guys! I wonder whether is it possible to merge to static libraries into a single one? |
| 06:47.52 | pihhan | on my machines it is highly unreliable method |
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| 06:48.03 | poige | Hello, guys! I wonder whether is it possible to merge tWo static libraries into a single one? |
| 06:48.09 | linuxNoob | ok, so is there a DVD cloner type program? |
| 06:48.18 | iLLf8d | rohan if you tried to build up x instead of installing the full system there can be any number of problems with it |
| 06:48.21 | wols_ | tuv: that was AFTER you already wrote 08:43 < tuv> !tell wols_ about xorgmd5 |
| 06:48.23 | karsten | linuxNoob: k3b / cdrecord IIRC. |
| 06:48.26 | tuv | wols_, well things break.. |
| 06:48.31 | exobyte | how can I renew my ip address with the dhcp server without taking down the interface? |
| 06:48.45 | rohan | tuv: (EE) I810(0): No valid modes found and (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 06:48.48 | tuv | wols_, that's why i repeated it |
| 06:49.00 | rohan | iLLf8d: well, i installed using the etch snapshot installer |
| 06:49.15 | tuv | rohan, can you paste your xorg.conf somewhere? |
| 06:49.17 | wols_ | tuv: the question remains why you said it in the first place |
| 06:49.20 | iLLf8d | which means nothing too me since I've never used the etch snapshot installer |
| 06:49.25 | wols_ | exobyte: man dhclient |
| 06:49.32 | rohan | tuv: sure |
| 06:49.37 | exobyte | oh |
| 06:49.46 | exobyte | wols_: ok, easy |
| 06:49.52 | rohan | tuv: oh, but how ? i have no gui :( |
| 06:49.53 | iLLf8d | rohan, I just configured my deb for that same chip |
| 06:50.04 | rohan | and hence no scroll back console, tuv |
| 06:50.05 | wols_ | rohan: links, lynx, elinks |
| 06:50.10 | iLLf8d | if you use dpkg-reconfigure it works out fine |
| 06:50.25 | exobyte | wols_: thank you, now I have to quit because I don't know the ip address of the, long story, but I need to register with the dhcp server.. |
| 06:50.32 | wols_ | rohan: cat xorg.conf > log |
| 06:50.32 | linuxNoob | ok 3kb.. logging off to try this netboot.. should i partition with the tools i have on this liveCD? |
| 06:50.37 | iLLf8d | if you run into alot of trouble install the 915resolution package if you have a nonstd lcd res |
| 06:50.50 | rohan | wols_: how would that help ? can any paster utility paste from file ? |
| 06:50.55 | wols_ | linuxNoob: no. you can partition from inside the debian installer |
| 06:51.00 | tuv | wols_, because i though you were complaining about dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg without knowing what the problem exactly is.. obviously i was wrong and you meant something else |
| 06:51.03 | linuxNoob | ok thank you |
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| 06:51.06 | igraltist | is it avaible a patched sasl package to use a crypt passwort from the mysql-db? |
| 06:51.16 | rohan | iLLf8d: which debian version ? |
| 06:51.26 | iLLf8d | etch and unstable |
| 06:51.27 | wols_ | rohan: http://de.pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 06:51.35 | iLLf8d | I configured it then rolled it |
| 06:51.37 | tuv | rohan, you can use e.g. less and scroll your text file back and forth |
| 06:52.02 | gilead | YES! It works :) The command on the originating host was: ssh -R 7777:localhost:22 login@myserver.org |
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| 06:52.18 | gilead | BIG thanks karsten and all!! |
| 06:53.02 | PumpkinPie | YES I got to name some newborns name after an online chat.. I only got to pick the middle name and I picked "Space" |
| 06:53.07 | PumpkinPie | score |
| 06:53.47 | wols_ | PumpkinPie: what is this poor toddler's name now? |
| 06:53.58 | PumpkinPie | its not born yet... |
| 06:54.07 | wols_ | then what will it be? |
| 06:54.08 | PumpkinPie | if its a girl I get to pick the middle name |
| 06:54.11 | PumpkinPie | 50/50 chance |
| 06:54.31 | PumpkinPie | Laurel Space |
| 06:54.33 | rohan | well, it says uploaded file accepted |
| 06:55.38 | iLLf8d | PumpkinPie, apple, or moxie crimefighter would've been a better choice |
| 06:55.49 | rohan | wols_: does it even print the url of the file i just uploaded? |
| 06:56.19 | rohan | can i use the paster bot to paste a file ? |
| 06:56.43 | PumpkinPie | yeah but Space is funny lol... I want her to be 16 and go.. "maybe I should do drugs because my middle name is space, someone in the internet picked my name" |
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| 06:57.01 | PumpkinPie | but if its a boy the husband picks the middle name |
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| 06:57.32 | wols_ | rohan: it did work for me. when you're in the accepted screen you need to press "submit" |
| 06:57.54 | rohan | well, anyway |
| 06:57.55 | wols_ | rohan: and yes debian paster allows uploads too |
| 06:57.56 | tuv | rohan, can't you find your paste in the "Recent Posts" column to the left |
| 06:57.57 | tuv | ? |
| 06:58.23 | wols_ | tuv: he hasn't pasted yet: no submit pressed |
| 06:58.27 | rohan | tuv: well, here it is - one09.net/~rohan/files/log |
| 06:58.57 | wols_ | rohan: did you choose bus id or was it automatic? |
| 06:59.09 | rohan | automatic |
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| 06:59.51 | optraz | hi, anybody have experience in tape drive? |
| 07:00.01 | rohan | wols_: is the bus id the problem ? |
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| 07:00.42 | tuv | rohan, what's your video chip? |
| 07:01.04 | wols_ | rohan: doubtful. but just checking |
| 07:01.09 | tuv | rohan, note that you still have "ExplorerPS/2" in your xorg.conf |
| 07:01.33 | tuv | rohan, what's your video chip? consult lspci |
| 07:01.33 | wols_ | rohan: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Check if it gives you an error message when you exit it |
| 07:01.40 | wols_ | if so paste that message |
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| 07:02.24 | rohan | tuv: the explorer ps2 is dpkg problem |
| 07:02.30 | mbuf | what should i apt-get for getting different language menus in gnome? |
| 07:02.33 | rohan | i tried 5 times, selecting imp2 |
| 07:02.37 | rohan | *imps2 |
| 07:03.19 | tuv | rohan, if you know what you want then you can edit it manually |
| 07:03.39 | rohan | yes, but that'll cause the xorgmd5 problem, right ? |
| 07:03.48 | wols_ | yes, but the problem is fixable |
| 07:03.56 | wols_ | do you get any message when exiting the debconf? |
| 07:04.06 | rohan | what i really want is xorgconfig .. but debian doesnt have it :| |
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| 07:04.24 | rohan | wols_: yes, some message about saving the current xorg.conf to xorg.conf.foo |
| 07:04.51 | wols_ | 09:01 < wols_> if so paste that message |
| 07:05.34 | rohan | and and i also edited the xserver-xorg.postint file - since i was facing bug #389822 |
| 07:05.35 | optraz | hi, anybody have experience in tape drive? |
| 07:05.51 | rohan | wols_: well, do i dpkg-reconfigure it again |
| 07:06.02 | rohan | for that message ? |
| 07:06.23 | rohan | well, this bug 389822 is a real killer |
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| 07:07.08 | rohan | ok, i set the mouse thing to imps2 |
| 07:07.13 | rohan | wols_: me too :-S |
| 07:07.38 | rohan | again, the same problem - |
| 07:07.38 | rohan | (EE) I810(0): No valid modes found |
| 07:07.38 | rohan | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
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| 07:09.02 | liable | look further up the file for the resolution section |
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| 07:10.34 | rohan | wtf .. now this xorg.conf on debian is the same as the one that's known working for frugalware .. yet .. |
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| 07:12.28 | rohan | hmm.. what do i do now |
| 07:12.33 | rohan | any ideas, please? |
| 07:12.39 | tuv | rohan, what's your video chip? consult lspci |
| 07:12.59 | tuv | rohan, lspci | grep -i vga |
| 07:13.20 | rohan | 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 03) |
| 07:13.33 | SirakoS | what is debian ? |
| 07:13.45 | tuv | SirakoS, www.debian.org |
| 07:13.49 | rohan | !tell SirakoS about debian |
| 07:13.55 | tuv | SirakoS, short answer: an operating system |
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| 07:14.24 | rohan | is the BusID absolutely essential, if i have only one card ? |
| 07:14.35 | liable | no, unless its ppc |
| 07:15.07 | rohan | ah, commenting out the BusID didn't help either |
| 07:15.24 | tuv | liable, rohan's xorg.conf is at http://one09.net/~rohan/files/log, if you see anything wrong there |
| 07:15.46 | liable | dont comment it... just dont enter it during reconfigure, debconf will fill it in |
| 07:16.19 | liable | rohan: can we have the log as well? |
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| 07:16.40 | liable | tuv: looks fine to me |
| 07:16.48 | rohan | something's seriously messed up with this postinst script .. why the f*** is it selecting explorerps2 even though i set it to imps2 ! |
| 07:16.50 | tuv | liable, me too! |
| 07:16.51 | rohan | liable: sure |
| 07:17.19 | tuv | rohan, most likely it's not doing anything to your xorg.conf |
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| 07:18.03 | keram | how do i get xine to play wmvs? |
| 07:18.05 | rohan | one09.net/~rohan/files/Xorg.0.log |
| 07:18.10 | rohan | liable, tuv : the log ^^ |
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| 07:19.35 | liable | rohan: your refresh rates are wrong |
| 07:20.02 | liable | rohan: did you enter that ram entry during configure? |
| 07:20.04 | tuv | rohan, comment out the videoram option in your xorg.conf |
| 07:20.09 | rohan | liable: they were taken from my monitor manual, and work on frugalware |
| 07:20.22 | rohan | liable: yes, i did enter 1024 |
| 07:20.35 | liable | rohan: dont enter anything |
| 07:20.41 | tuv | rohan, you should have noticed this: (II) I810(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (insufficient memory for mode) |
| 07:20.51 | rohan | oh my god :( |
| 07:20.53 | rohan | thanks a lot |
| 07:20.55 | rohan | that worked |
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| 07:21.21 | rohan | and about this imps2 issue, do i file a bug on b.d.o ? |
| 07:21.37 | liable | rohan: what card has a GB of VR anyway? :) |
| 07:22.10 | rohan | lol, i thought it was in mb's :( |
| 07:22.28 | rohan | thanks a lot for the help, liable , tuv , wols_ , iLLf8d :) |
| 07:22.43 | tuv | rohan, you're welcome |
| 07:22.58 | rohan | ok, then i'll redo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 07:23.09 | tuv | liable, it's 1024k |
| 07:23.37 | rohan | Mouse protocol: --> gives me 2 options, imps/2 and explorerps/2 .. what do i choose ? :-s |
| 07:24.13 | liable | tuv: i seem to remember it mentioning MB during configure |
| 07:24.32 | liable | tuv: as i used to enter a whopping 32! |
| 07:24.37 | tuv | liable, (**) I810(0): Will alloc AGP framebuffer: 1024 kByte |
| 07:24.50 | rohan | and previously it used to autodetect my scroll wheel .. now it isn't |
| 07:25.11 | tuv | liable, looks like it's driver-dependent, did you used to do that with i810 too? |
| 07:25.25 | liable | no, it was ati driver |
| 07:25.56 | tuv | liable, this 1024kByte was reported by I810 driver.. so that could be it |
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| 07:27.52 | rohan | oh well, i everything works _great_ now, i just have to edit the explorerps2 to imps2 and add the zaxismapping line |
| 07:28.29 | liable | tuv: yeah, dunno about that one |
| 07:30.16 | rohan | bbl .. |
| 07:31.09 | liable | hrm, interestingly, my xorg.conf doesnt mention VM at all.. |
| 07:31.46 | liable | on this box anyway |
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| 07:35.28 | liable | its horrendous trying to find a place to live across the other side of the country |
| 07:37.17 | tuv | liable, neither does mine. my device section is two lines only: id and driver :) |
| 07:38.32 | liable | tuv: ya, i cant be arsed firing up my other laptop, but i am positive it had a VM entry |
| 07:38.50 | liable | at some point in time anyway :) |
| 07:40.06 | afrosheen | liable: other side of what country |
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| 07:40.23 | liable | afrosheen: .au |
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| 07:40.54 | kristalino | does /etc/network/interface work with ipv6 ? |
| 07:41.00 | deadcat | liable: you using compiz from unstable? |
| 07:41.23 | liable | deadcat: i am still using my own compiled one, it made it into unstable? |
| 07:41.28 | deadcat | ya |
| 07:41.40 | deadcat | compiz-core compiz compiz-plugins and so on. |
| 07:41.44 | liable | deadcat: i have xgl, and I asked on #debian-x and it dont work with xgl |
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| 07:41.55 | liable | so they reckon |
| 07:42.00 | deadcat | ah.. and aiglx doesnt work with nvidia right? |
| 07:42.02 | linuxNoob | ok I'm back |
| 07:42.16 | liable | deadcat: older ones, as long as driver is oss |
| 07:42.35 | liable | deadcat: otherwise you have to use xgl |
| 07:42.35 | deadcat | liable: oss = the nvidia packge from debian? |
| 07:42.49 | liable | deadcat: yeah, the xorg driver |
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| 07:43.05 | liable | deadcat: not the proprietry package |
| 07:43.13 | deadcat | liable: xorg driver has nvidia? it only have nv though right? |
| 07:43.34 | linuxNoob | i dont know how to do anything now that i have the OS installed |
| 07:43.38 | liable | deadcat: that nvidia driver is just a wrapper script for installing the proprietry driver |
| 07:44.08 | deadcat | liable: so what do i really need? i am confused... |
| 07:44.10 | liable | deadcat: so ya, if you use that, i dont think aiglx will work |
| 07:44.33 | linuxNoob | is there a GUI available for debian? |
| 07:44.34 | deadcat | i have nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` |
| 07:44.39 | liable | deadcat: i dont know so much about the nvidia stuff, cause i dont have a nvidia card |
| 07:44.45 | deadcat | ah |
| 07:44.59 | deadcat | guess i will have to ask gravity when hes in or something. |
| 07:45.00 | liable | deadcat: but i dont think aiglx would work with that driver |
| 07:45.07 | deadcat | k |
| 07:45.18 | linuxNoob | cuz i just get console and uhh, I'm really noobish |
| 07:45.19 | liable | sec |
| 07:45.20 | cydork | deadcat: check http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx#head-df1959e565dbcf41eba56dc070062e7af60e8a63 |
| 07:45.35 | deadcat | cydork: thanks |
| 07:45.38 | liable | deadcat: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_AIGLX#Cards_found_to_be_supported |
| 07:46.08 | liable | linuxNoob: fire up 'tasksel' and pick 'desktop environment' |
| 07:46.31 | linuxNoob | ok.. how do i do that? |
| 07:46.40 | liable | by typing tasksel |
| 07:46.42 | kristalino | can i configure /etc/network/interface to support ipv6 ? |
| 07:46.47 | linuxNoob | i am in liveCD now |
| 07:46.49 | liable | kristalino: yes |
| 07:46.55 | linuxNoob | cuz its easy |
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| 07:47.12 | kristalino | liable, i found no examples in man / interfaces examples. Do you have any ? |
| 07:47.28 | linuxNoob | ok, so i can log in as user or root, from there i know nothing |
| 07:48.05 | linuxNoob | in fact, i can't even use the help command because it scrolls past my screen |
| 07:48.13 | liable | kristalino: ipv6 is in.. hosts file, but no, i dunno how to set it in interfaces. check /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 07:48.41 | wols_ | linuxNoob: when you were installing, it created a user for you. you entered name and password |
| 07:48.42 | liable | linuxNoob: so, log in as root, and type, tasksel |
| 07:48.44 | deadcat | cydork: guess i will have to wait for nvidia 1.0.9, unstable only has 1.0.8 |
| 07:48.44 | wols_ | you can log in with that |
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| 07:50.11 | cydork | deadcat: i guess so :) |
| 07:50.17 | linuxNoob | cool and tasksel will start a GUI? i downloaded the desktop configuration |
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| 07:50.33 | wols_ | no. it will install a gui if you tell it to |
| 07:50.41 | linuxNoob | i see |
| 07:50.52 | wols_ | you can also "apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome gdm" to do that manually if you want to |
| 07:51.23 | liable | keep it simple :) |
| 07:51.37 | wols_ | but yes, use tasksel first |
| 07:51.38 | linuxNoob | i read about apt-get |
| 07:51.42 | DaBlade | wols_: You mean xserver-xorg kde kdm? :P |
| 07:51.44 | cydork | kristalino: check http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/setup.html |
| 07:51.49 | wols_ | DaBlade: no |
| 07:52.00 | wols_ | DaBlade: there is no xserver-xorg |
| 07:52.25 | DaBlade | :/ |
| 07:52.29 | liable | eh? |
| 07:52.35 | simonrvn | not in sarge anyway =;) |
| 07:52.41 | DaBlade | Ah..sarge. |
| 07:52.44 | DaBlade | I use Etch.. |
| 07:53.28 | linuxNoob | i dont know what i use |
| 07:53.30 | liable | oh, i missed the reference to sarge |
| 07:53.37 | linuxNoob | nothing yet i think |
| 07:54.27 | linuxNoob | ok, will i need to adjust the apt-get file? or will the domain be set correctly? |
| 07:54.32 | liable | linuxNoob: it prolly would have been a good idea to read the install guide.. :) |
| 07:54.50 | liable | linuxNoob: also the 'debian reference' |
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| 07:54.54 | liable | !reference |
| 07:54.54 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 07:54.57 | liable | linuxNoob: ^^^^ |
| 07:55.10 | liable | its a very good, fairly simple doc |
| 07:55.16 | wols_ | linuxNoob: from what ISO did you install? |
| 07:55.17 | linuxNoob | err, yeah i thought it was going to automate further than that |
| 07:56.05 | linuxNoob | i booted from a 180meg CD and networkinstalled whatever was set for the desktop option |
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| 07:56.45 | linuxNoob | yeah, the networkinstall |
| 07:56.49 | liable | linuxNoob: debian doesnt have so much automation stuffs, but the new etch installer has a gui installer, but i dunno how simple it makes stuff |
| 07:57.18 | liable | linuxNoob: but even the old installers give you a choose to install desktop stuff (even enabled by default iirc) |
| 07:57.23 | cydork | liable: it has the same options as the d-i , just a better interface :) |
| 07:57.29 | liable | s/choose/choice/ |
| 07:57.51 | liable | cydork: did you use the graphical thing? |
| 07:57.56 | cydork | liable: yes :P |
| 07:58.03 | liable | cydork: is it perty? |
| 07:58.11 | linuxNoob | ok so i take it x window is hard to install? |
| 07:58.15 | liable | no |
| 07:58.28 | wols_ | linuxNoob: apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome |
| 07:58.37 | liable | linuxNoob: did you do as i suggested and run tasksel? |
| 07:58.37 | wols_ | that's it. if you want to start it then: "startx" |
| 07:58.49 | cydork | liable: yep, it's pretty. and people think it will be one of the plus points of etch :) |
| 07:59.15 | liable | cydork: can you click on desktop shits to install? |
| 07:59.32 | june | How can i use the graphical install,, Should I use something like boot parameter? |
| 07:59.42 | linuxNoob | i cant run anything, im reading |
| 07:59.55 | cydork | liable: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 08:00.01 | SlayerXP | aptitude wants to remove KDE. and "aptitude install" operation results in it requesting that I allow it to remove 400-ish packages. apt-get has no such desires. how can I explain to aptitude that I'd rather keep KDE? |
| 08:00.02 | cydork | :) |
| 08:00.04 | liable | ooh, screenshots |
| 08:00.13 | june | cydork : Thank you~! |
| 08:00.19 | linuxNoob | the only thing i can do in shell is login, so i had to load this LiveCD for internet |
| 08:00.25 | liable | SlayerXP: purge and reinstall aptitude |
| 08:00.47 | SlayerXP | liable: worth a try... |
| 08:01.10 | liable | tuv: is it beer? |
| 08:01.14 | SlayerXP | tuv: of course. |
| 08:01.19 | tuv | liable, not at all |
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| 08:01.33 | liable | does it taste like beer? |
| 08:01.45 | wols_ | june: there is no graphical installer unless you download the d-i ISO for etch |
| 08:01.51 | SlayerXP | liable: yes, that works. thanks. |
| 08:01.55 | tuv | liable, concentrated fruit drink (strawberry, raspberry and the likes) |
| 08:02.09 | liable | tuv: so its not even booze? |
| 08:02.19 | tuv | liable, 0% |
| 08:02.24 | liable | bah |
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| 08:02.31 | cydork | who cares then :P |
| 08:02.32 | wols_ | concentrated? like syrup? |
| 08:02.54 | tuv | liable, SlayerXP seems to do |
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| 08:03.19 | SlayerXP | vimto is lovely |
| 08:03.21 | tuv | wols_, you add some water whenever you want to drink it |
| 08:03.34 | SlayerXP | you forgot the blueberries |
| 08:03.54 | tuv | yeah.. the *berry family |
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| 08:04.45 | liable | i prefer to dilute my fruit stuffs with booze |
| 08:05.02 | cydork | s/you/you can/ |
| 08:05.09 | june | wols: Yes i'm using Etch now, but, I used text install |
| 08:05.17 | SlayerXP | tuv: cheers |
| 08:05.43 | liable | chink |
| 08:05.57 | wols_ | june: do you want something to install packages now graphically? synaptic or aptitude. I suggest aptitude even if it's curses based |
| 08:05.58 | tuv | cydork, i wouldn't know about that.. i don't drink alcohol |
| 08:06.12 | liable | tuv: pothead? |
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| 08:06.32 | tuv | cydork, but i don't see why it wouldn't work! |
| 08:06.36 | liable | there seems to be a fairly high proportion of pot smokers here |
| 08:06.39 | wols_ | cydork: gummi bear juice mixes with everything very well. vodka too :) |
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| 08:06.49 | wols_ | liable: this is irc... |
| 08:06.50 | cydork | wols_: hmm then i might like it :P |
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| 08:07.02 | june | wols: ^^ no no I'm talking about O/S install,, I used text-based install |
| 08:07.12 | liable | wols_: oh, is irc related to pot smoking? |
| 08:07.14 | wols_ | june: then follow the link cydork gave you |
| 08:07.24 | tuv | june, hey.. it's oct. already |
| 08:07.25 | wols_ | liable: or vice versa I guess |
| 08:07.30 | liable | heh |
| 08:07.43 | tuv | june, install ntpdate ;) |
| 08:07.56 | june | wols: yes i'm reading now,, It's very simple, "installgui",,, Thank You~ |
| 08:07.59 | wols_ | personally I guess it's cause the numnber of young males on irc which skews the results |
| 08:08.27 | wols_ | june: current normal debian installers don't have a gui. you will need that etch/testing installer |
| 08:08.28 | liable | hrm, i aint so young anymore |
| 08:08.40 | wols_ | liable: you once were :P |
| 08:08.55 | liable | wols_: indeed, and i still act like a child :) |
| 08:09.09 | wols_ | liable: you're male. that's a given with them |
| 08:09.28 | liable | wols_: your a girl? |
| 08:09.32 | wols_ | no |
| 08:09.48 | wols_ | of course I NEVER act like a child! |
| 08:09.49 | tuv | hmm.. with them sounded like you are! |
| 08:10.01 | cydork | wols_: never?? |
| 08:10.01 | liable | thats what i thought |
| 08:10.12 | wols_ | tuv: cazse อ'm an alien without proper grasp of the english language |
| 08:10.22 | wols_ | cydork: never ever of course. just can't be |
| 08:10.43 | wols_ | cydork: have you ever seen a male who really admits to childish behaviour? |
| 08:10.48 | tuv | wols_, your english is better than mine |
| 08:10.48 | cydork | wols_: your parents divorced when you were a child? |
| 08:11.01 | june | "http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso" is right? is this have graphic? |
| 08:11.04 | liable | wols_: i admit it :) |
| 08:11.05 | afrosheen | what kind of alien |
| 08:11.05 | wols_ | cydork: my parents were never married :P |
| 08:11.14 | wols_ | afrosheen: an alien kind |
| 08:11.20 | afrosheen | there are many kinds |
| 08:11.26 | afrosheen | klingons, vulcans |
| 08:11.55 | cydork | wols_: hehe that might the reason :P |
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| 08:12.26 | wols_ | !d-i |
| 08:12.26 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 08:12.27 | liable | june: yup |
| 08:12.47 | june | ^^ Thanks very much to all |
| 08:12.54 | wols_ | june: what's wrong with a text installer? |
| 08:13.12 | wols_ | I like them. the package selection was crap with them, but you don't use it anyways, so it'S all good |
| 08:13.16 | june | ah~ ^^ I just want to see the graphic ^^ |
| 08:13.28 | tuv | debian's text installer is great.. i used it to install debian on my nslu2 over ssh! |
| 08:13.31 | liable | nothing, but why not use what our hard working d-i team have been sweating over |
| 08:13.36 | afrosheen | june, I'll draw some pictures for you that says 'installing please wait' |
| 08:13.44 | telexicon | what is the command to list partitions? |
| 08:14.00 | june | ^^ |
| 08:14.06 | wols_ | liable: I'll leave that too all those strange people who shouted for gui installers for several years now |
| 08:14.07 | cydork | wols_: actully gui installer doesn't differ much from text installer. |
| 08:14.08 | tuv | telexicon, fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 08:14.20 | wols_ | cydork: it does. it needs X! |
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| 08:14.27 | afrosheen | telexicon, or mount, depending on what you want to see :) |
| 08:14.28 | wols_ | that's different enough for me |
| 08:14.38 | oxyride | your hand is the best installer |
| 08:14.42 | cydork | liable: now people can install in there native languages. |
| 08:14.46 | wols_ | it _looks_ the same but isn't |
| 08:14.56 | telexicon | no those arent what i want |
| 08:14.57 | cydork | wols_: i meant the options. |
| 08:15.04 | wols_ | I know |
| 08:15.06 | june | I'm Korean,,, English to difficult to me,,,Uuuuu~~~!,, Oh My Headache~! |
| 08:15.06 | afrosheen | I call people that push for progress 'whiners' or 'conformists' |
| 08:15.10 | liable | cydork: thats certainly one good point of the new installer |
| 08:15.11 | wols_ | btw: i installed it in german just fine |
| 08:15.16 | afrosheen | ;) |
| 08:15.22 | oxyride | Korean? lol |
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| 08:15.34 | june | oxyride: Yes i'm |
| 08:15.53 | afrosheen | mmmmm kimchee |
| 08:16.00 | liable | yes, I am :) |
| 08:16.03 | wols_ | june: isn't a there a text environment which can display korean? or is that not possible due to the pictograms? |
| 08:16.05 | june | Hahahahah~ |
| 08:16.06 | cydork | wols_: some languages are difficult so text installers are out of questions. |
| 08:16.14 | oxyride | @.@ |
| 08:16.15 | tuv | cydork, the text installer presents the same set of languages |
| 08:16.27 | wols_ | cydork: as long as I can have a text isntaller, I won't complain. too much |
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| 08:16.34 | cydork | tuv: nope |
| 08:16.43 | wols_ | I'm still kinda pissed about all that hotplug nonsense by default in sarge :) |
| 08:16.49 | liable | tuv: i believe the gui one presents way more, there was something mentioned about this in dwn iirc |
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| 08:17.02 | june | Korean System Locale is, I mean this chatting~ ^^ |
| 08:17.10 | cydork | wols_: hehe, i like it too :P |
| 08:17.13 | afrosheen | june, what's with all the ^^ ^^ marks |
| 08:17.31 | june | ^^ is Korean smile imoticon |
| 08:17.32 | afrosheen | are you typing linefeeds into an old unix terminal |
| 08:17.36 | afrosheen | oh ok |
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| 08:17.51 | bigh25 | Does anyone know what package gives me the man pages for gcc? |
| 08:17.52 | tuv | anyway.. variety is good, although it's enlarging the netinstall iso :( |
| 08:17.53 | metrics | Does anyone know the command to trigger that ncurses reconfiguration thing for font hinting and stuff? |
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| 08:18.01 | cydork | june: why dont they use mouth to smile?? :P |
| 08:18.05 | oxyride | is ^^ patented? |
| 08:18.06 | bigh25 | I tried gcc-4.0-doc but that only gave me the info pages? |
| 08:18.22 | afrosheen | I would imagine it'd look more like -_- |
| 08:18.28 | wols_ | bigh25: gcc is a gnu program. it's real docs are info pages |
| 08:18.47 | wols_ | bigh25: manpages for gnu stull is always only a stub |
| 08:18.48 | june | um,,, maybe that is cultural difference,,, i thing so,,but,,, ^^ i dont know exactly |
| 08:19.09 | bigh25 | wols_: Yes but I do want that stub :-), is there a way to get it on debian? |
| 08:19.12 | afrosheen | june, is it cold there now |
| 08:19.24 | afrosheen | every korean drama on azn tv here, it's snowing or cold |
| 08:19.33 | june | afrosheen: it's fall now |
| 08:19.34 | cydork | bigh25: which version of debian and gcc are you using? |
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| 08:19.47 | bigh25 | cydork: debian testing with gcc 4.1 |
| 08:19.53 | wols_ | bigh25: gcc-4.0 installs the manpage |
| 08:19.54 | afrosheen | I thought it was winter year round |
| 08:20.02 | cydork | bigh25: man gcc-4.0 |
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| 08:20.28 | rohan | i want to have the google search bar in konqueror, which is a part of kde-extras .. how do i do that ? previously, apt-get install kde-extras did it .. now the system has changed it seems |
| 08:20.44 | metrics | rohan: It's under extensions. |
| 08:20.48 | cydork | bigh25: gcc-4.1-docs are not in testing yet, i dont know why.. |
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| 08:20.56 | debmonkey | hi guys |
| 08:20.57 | metrics | rohan: But it only comes up if wou're in web browser mode. |
| 08:21.08 | rohan | metrics: yes, i am in the browser mode |
| 08:21.18 | metrics | rohan: You can always just use the gg:your search in the normal location text box. |
| 08:21.32 | debmonkey | how is cdrw support in debian at moment (stable/6.8.) ? |
| 08:21.33 | tuv | hmm.. gcc-4.1-doc is non-free!! |
| 08:21.34 | bigh25 | cydork: wols: OK, I'll wait till its updated, not really critical at the moment |
| 08:21.34 | rohan | metrics: true .. but i am used to seeing the google search bar :D |
| 08:21.55 | metrics | rohan: Well its enabled under Settings->Configure Extensions |
| 08:21.56 | june | afrosheen: winter begins from November,,and untill Februry |
| 08:22.09 | cydork | tuv: huh? |
| 08:22.09 | afrosheen | june, I guess that's when they film all the korean drama shows |
| 08:22.29 | debmonkey | can debian write onto rewriteable cds, and can these be read by windows systems? |
| 08:22.33 | rohan | metrics: no, it is not listed there |
| 08:22.38 | tuv | cydork, wasn't that loud enough? |
| 08:22.53 | bigh25 | cydork: I think there is bug#388246 on this, just found on google |
| 08:22.53 | rohan | metrics: i have a feeling that the extension is not installed |
| 08:23.06 | tuv | debmonkey, sure |
| 08:23.11 | cydork | tuv: sorry i am slow in the mornings :P i was just surprized |
| 08:23.13 | debmonkey | tuv: cool thanks |
| 08:23.23 | metrics | rohan: Hmmm...don't have any other info. Might have to restart all konquerors. |
| 08:23.33 | tuv | cydork, it IS surprising! |
| 08:23.54 | rohan | metrics: i have not installed the package which contains the search bar ! |
| 08:23.57 | metrics | rohan: Might be something to do with konqi's being kept open even when closed. |
| 08:23.59 | rohan | since i dont know which package does |
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| 08:24.07 | jpa | hi all |
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| 08:24.39 | jpa | please someone has any info on the OOo v.2.0.4~rc2-2 package ? its all broken (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390133) |
| 08:24.52 | metrics | rohan: konq-plugins? |
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| 08:25.10 | june | Uuuuuu,,, talking is too fast,, i can't follow,, |
| 08:25.17 | rohan | metrics: no such package |
| 08:25.21 | liable | jpa: if theres no fix in the report, then you have to wait |
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| 08:25.45 | jpa | liable, thank you |
| 08:25.51 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 390133 |
| 08:25.54 | dpkg | #390133:G[openoffice.org] openoffice.org: openoffice crashes when trying to open a file; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:49:26 UTC |
| 08:25.59 | rohan | metrics: lol, sorry, i was trying "konqueror-plugins" :D |
| 08:26.10 | metrics | rohan: :) |
| 08:26.23 | dondelelcaro | jpa: that bug report will have all the publicly known information about it. |
| 08:27.09 | dondelelcaro | jpa: just downgrade to the previous version. |
| 08:27.21 | jpa | I subscribed to the bug |
| 08:27.31 | jpa | I hope to get info automatically that way ? |
| 08:27.41 | dondelelcaro | jpa: you'll be mailed every new message to the bug, yes. |
| 08:27.47 | june | dpkg:I experienced openoffice & firefox crashing when Xim=SCIM & GTK_IM_MODULE=SCIM |
| 08:28.07 | jpa | dondelelcaro, debian is wonderfull :) |
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| 08:29.11 | june | Yeh~ Debian is the Best, wonerful |
| 08:29.44 | jpa | ok |
| 08:29.48 | jpa | Im in sid |
| 08:29.56 | tuv | i though ubuntu will attract all the linux desktop new comers |
| 08:30.20 | jpa | how man page to read to know how to "downgrade to the previous version" of OOo ? |
| 08:30.22 | liable | jpa: dpkg is a bot |
| 08:30.34 | cydork | june: ^^ |
| 08:30.52 | jpa | I think I have to had testing in sources.list |
| 08:30.56 | jpa | comment out sid lines |
| 08:30.59 | jpa | apt-get update |
| 08:31.02 | tuv | jpa, apt-get install <package-name>=<required-version> |
| 08:31.02 | jpa | and install Ooo ? |
| 08:31.09 | jpa | wow |
| 08:31.13 | liable | jpa: you have to do it manually with, um, dpkg.. (the real one on your system) :) or if you use aptitude |
| 08:31.16 | jpa | apt-get options I dont know :) |
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| 08:31.42 | june | I dont recomend Ubuntu,,, Ubuntu multibus & universe sourcelist is too buggy,,, |
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| 08:33.18 | june | cydork: ^^~v (victory) |
| 08:33.55 | wols_ | jpa: uninstall OOorg and reinstall the older version |
| 08:34.10 | cydork | !pony june |
| 08:34.27 | wols_ | dpkg: are your ponies pink? |
| 08:34.36 | june | cydork: ^^ hahaha |
| 08:35.06 | cydork | wols_: pink ponies? are you sure that you are male :P |
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| 08:35.31 | wols_ | cydork: did I tell you what I wanted to do with the pony? |
| 08:35.44 | cydork | wols_: please do ! |
| 08:35.54 | tralala | cydork: pink is the gentlements colour as my english teacher used to say |
| 08:36.05 | Eclipser | hahya |
| 08:36.28 | cydork | tralala: gentlements means gay?? :P |
| 08:36.43 | tralala | make that *gentlemen's |
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| 08:36.50 | june | Pink is Gengle,,,? |
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| 08:37.00 | june | gentle,,sorry |
| 08:37.21 | cydork | wols_: look what you have started :P |
| 08:37.38 | cydork | !blame wols_ |
| 08:38.04 | wols_ | cydork: do you remember the liquid horse talk we had yesterday in here? |
| 08:38.42 | cydork | wols_: i wasn't on irc yesterday. |
| 08:38.45 | liable | yeah, weird it was i tells ya! |
| 08:38.48 | tralala | !fix june's , key |
| 08:39.20 | cydork | liable: huh? why? what happened? |
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| 08:39.46 | june | time to go,,, Glad to talk with everybody, Have a nice day~! |
| 08:40.18 | liable | cydork: dunno, i couldnt understand it myself |
| 08:40.28 | jzu | Hmm |
| 08:40.29 | tuv | did debian get into ipods yet? |
| 08:40.33 | wols_ | cydork: just be afraid if karsten ever visits you. be very afraid |
| 08:40.35 | liable | cydork: check your lastlog i guess |
| 08:40.45 | liable | wols_: thats a given :P |
| 08:40.51 | jzu | should I run apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade my packages to latest stable, current packages are from install cd |
| 08:41.14 | cydork | wols_: heheh |
| 08:41.21 | jzu | it's been years since I last time used debian, can't remember anymore :) |
| 08:41.30 | liable | jpa: either, upgrade should suffice though |
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| 08:43.52 | linuxNoob | yeah |
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| 08:44.10 | wols_ | linuxNoob: you in debian now? |
| 08:44.14 | linuxNoob | so uhh.. i think it installed OK |
| 08:44.16 | linuxNoob | no |
| 08:44.20 | linuxNoob | back in CD |
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| 08:44.28 | telexicon | ok so im running debian on ppc, this uses ext2 by default right? |
| 08:44.40 | linuxNoob | it put me back into command promt |
| 08:44.50 | SlayerXP | telexicon: it uses whatever filesystem(s) you chose by default, probably ext3 |
| 08:45.03 | linuxNoob | and i forgot the command you told me |
| 08:45.06 | wols_ | linuxNoob: startx |
| 08:45.12 | telexicon | so i cant read it from mac os x |
| 08:45.20 | wols_ | linuxNoob: but you ocnfigured X? video card and the like? |
| 08:45.23 | linuxNoob | grrr... i typed xstart |
| 08:45.40 | linuxNoob | what was the apt-get command? |
| 08:45.49 | wols_ | apt-get command for what? |
| 08:46.01 | wols_ | telexicon: ext3 can be mounted as ext2 |
| 08:46.10 | linuxNoob | the apt-get command you gave me befor. |
| 08:46.11 | telexicon | oh ok thank you |
| 08:46.21 | wols_ | linuxNoob: to do what? |
| 08:46.24 | telexicon | do i lose something when doing that? |
| 08:46.31 | linuxNoob | to install the GUI |
| 08:47.17 | telexicon | oh no journal |
| 08:47.20 | telexicon | thanks |
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| 08:47.54 | wols_ | linuxNoob: but you ocnfigured X? video card and the like? |
| 08:48.14 | linuxNoob | you gave me two commands, one to install and one to start |
| 08:48.20 | linuxNoob | yeah |
| 08:48.38 | linuxNoob | but i wanted to write that apt-get one down |
| 08:48.40 | wols_ | then you already have installed it |
| 08:48.52 | wols_ | apt-get install <packagename> |
| 08:49.04 | linuxNoob | right.. what were the package names? |
| 08:49.20 | wols_ | and if your startx doesn't work directly. use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" until it does work |
| 08:49.37 | wols_ | x-window-system-core gnome gdm |
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| 08:49.44 | linuxNoob | shit |
| 08:49.48 | linuxNoob | i forgot gdm |
| 08:49.54 | linuxNoob | what dose gdm do? |
| 08:49.59 | wols_ | write down the dpkg-reconfigure line. that's the important one. you already installed X and gnome and stuff |
| 08:50.10 | wols_ | it gives you a graphical login |
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| 08:50.34 | linuxNoob | ohhh.. so can i just apt-get install gdm |
| 08:50.41 | wols_ | yes |
| 08:50.42 | linuxNoob | scince i forgot it? |
| 08:50.49 | linuxNoob | awesome |
| 08:51.01 | linuxNoob | i dont think i set my video card correctly |
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| 08:51.50 | wols_ | ypi can then start it for the first time with /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 08:51.50 | wols_ | *you |
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| 08:52.49 | wols_ | what videocard do you have? |
| 08:53.03 | linuxNoob | ok so do i need gdm? |
| 08:53.12 | wols_ | no you don't need it |
| 08:53.15 | wols_ | it's just prettier |
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| 08:55.31 | linuxNoob | ok then I'm going to give it another shot before bed, i will be back once more if it works and has gaim. Otherwise, Thank you for your help |
| 08:55.55 | linuxNoob | oh i dont think i configured my video card correctly |
| 08:56.36 | linuxNoob | it was saying how it could not auto detect because there are two cards and all that. |
| 08:56.42 | linuxNoob | but it dont |
| 08:56.51 | linuxNoob | just on board video |
| 08:57.03 | CAiRO | when mountkernfs.sh mounts proc and sysfs file system, do i still need my fstab entries for those? |
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| 09:03.55 | Hadaka | any fix to the recent openoffice problem? |
| 09:05.11 | debmonkey | anyone managed to get a D-Link 650+ working on madwifi? |
| 09:05.34 | enouf | CAiRO: only /proc as far as I know |
| 09:05.46 | debmonkey | I'm wondering whether it's worth tackling or just replacing hardware |
| 09:06.21 | enouf | CAiRO: only a cat /etc/mtab shows both |
| 09:06.54 | wols_ | debmonkey: well, it's a dlink... |
| 09:06.59 | CAiRO | enouf: yes, but did you look at the script in /etc/init.d/itself? it doesn't look like it reads fstab, so i wonder if i can remove the entries there |
| 09:07.03 | debmonkey | wols_ ? |
| 09:07.35 | enouf | CAiRO: I have but not lately .. but I still ahve the /proc in mt fstab ..so |
| 09:07.38 | enouf | my* |
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| 09:08.03 | CAiRO | hmm, ok |
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| 09:08.10 | debmonkey | wols_ whats up? |
| 09:09.30 | enouf | CAiRO: btw -- that script is in /etc/rcS.d |
| 09:09.54 | enouf | specifically /etc/rcS.d/S02mountkernfs.sh |
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| 09:10.37 | CAiRO | that should be a symlink, shouldn't it? |
| 09:10.50 | CAiRO | the script is in /etc/init.d/ |
| 09:10.50 | CAiRO | and i use file-rc, so i have a runlevel.conf :) |
| 09:11.21 | CAiRO | i don't even have an rcS.d directory |
| 09:11.35 | enouf | CAiRO: apologies .. the rcS.d are symlinks .. I knew that |
| 09:11.47 | enouf | to /etc/init.d |
| 09:11.49 | CAiRO | no problem |
| 09:13.16 | tarzeau | is the debian packages affected by http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2006-September/049742.html |
| 09:13.16 | tarzeau | and http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2006-September/049444.html |
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| 09:21.14 | tziku | hello, how can i create mail adress ? ( to can recive) I installed squirrelmail but i can't login. |
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| 09:25.13 | MatBoy | Are security Patches for FireFox still comming out for Debian, or is that already stopped ? |
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| 09:26.10 | MatBoy | cydork, :D |
| 09:26.52 | cydork | MatBoy: hello :) |
| 09:27.02 | MatBoy | cydork, not drunk today ? |
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| 09:27.09 | cydork | MatBoy: not yet :P |
| 09:27.17 | MatBoy | cydork, get a job :P |
| 09:27.29 | cydork | cydork: i have one :) |
| 09:27.43 | MatBoy | cydork, drinking beer is NOT a job |
| 09:27.51 | cydork | MatBoy: says who? |
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| 09:28.12 | andreiutz | it would be ok to install alien ? |
| 09:28.20 | MatBoy | andreiutz, yep ! |
| 09:28.20 | cydork | andreiutz: it's evil :) |
| 09:28.33 | MatBoy | It's from Mars |
| 09:29.03 | enouf | tarzeau: the link from within to CVE http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2006-4800 says it's under review? .. and there'sa already a patch for it out ... hmm - does Debian (Security) even concern itself about unofficial (non-free) stuff? |
| 09:29.08 | andreiutz | cydork, :))) |
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| 09:29.54 | lkthomas | heyall |
| 09:30.07 | lkthomas | if I am using Athlon X2, which boot image should I use ? |
| 09:30.14 | moshii | What tools do I need from debian to convert mkv and ogm to avi? |
| 09:30.31 | tarzeau | enouf: non-free stuff? |
| 09:30.36 | tarzeau | enouf: xine is in main, isn't it? |
| 09:30.49 | enouf | tarzeau: I quickly perused the lists (deb-devel) but didn't see anything relevant |
| 09:31.08 | lkthomas | so does athlon X2 use IA64 boot image ? |
| 09:31.14 | enouf | tarzeau: yeah .. but what's with ffmpeg and mplayer listed there ? I have to look again |
| 09:31.22 | tarzeau | enouf: ffmpeg is in main too |
| 09:31.25 | tarzeau | enouf: mplayer is not |
| 09:31.48 | lkthomas | anyone hear me ? |
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| 09:32.15 | MatBoy | cydork, you were also an alien wasn't it ? |
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| 09:33.04 | lkthomas | hello ? |
| 09:33.04 | Anarka | lkthomas amd64 |
| 09:33.09 | enouf | tarzeau: I see - just read this http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2006-September/049741.html "[Full-disclosure] [ MDKSA-2006:175 ] - Updated mplayer packages fix buffer overflow vulnerabilities" |
| 09:33.28 | cydork | MatBoy: i am one! |
| 09:33.30 | lkthomas | Anarka: Thanks, but AMD64 netinstall image seems not there ? |
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| 09:33.32 | enouf | meaning I just finally read that |
| 09:33.38 | tarzeau | enouf: ah ok, i just heard it's xine stuff. |
| 09:33.57 | CAiRO | when i boot i get /etc/network/options is deprecated. but that message has no hint what to use now |
| 09:34.06 | enouf | tarzeau: following it to wherever .. for more info .. |
| 09:34.17 | tarzeau | enouf: thanks |
| 09:34.42 | enouf | tarzeau: hey .. no prob :-) |
| 09:35.18 | Anarka | lkthomas http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 09:35.50 | lkthomas | thanks |
| 09:36.26 | cydork | CAiRO: what options are you looking for? |
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| 09:36.34 | derek[] | Hi |
| 09:36.50 | CAiRO | cydork: i mean where do i put the options that have been in /etc/network/options before? |
| 09:36.50 | derek[] | which partitions should i create for different directories? |
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| 09:37.06 | derek[] | a separate boot partition is a good idea? |
| 09:37.15 | CAiRO | cydork: when the file /etc/network/options is deprecated, there must be some different way to set the same options that have been set in that file in the past |
| 09:37.19 | cydork | derek[]: yes.. |
| 09:37.39 | cydork | derek[]: in most cases :) |
| 09:37.40 | derek[] | and which other partitions should I create? |
| 09:37.44 | enouf | tarzeau: yeah .. it seems it starts in ffmpeg and branches out to the other pkgs that may use it as well (mplayer, Xine-lib, gtreamer-ffmpeg, etc) |
| 09:37.52 | enouf | gstreamer |
| 09:38.25 | cydork | CAiRO: most of the options can be given in interfaces nowdays. can you tell me which option are you looking for exactly? |
| 09:38.40 | CAiRO | ip_forward=yes |
| 09:38.40 | CAiRO | spoofprotect=yes |
| 09:38.40 | CAiRO | syncookies=no |
| 09:38.44 | CAiRO | that's the ones i have |
| 09:38.49 | ma3x | what's the cache of a disk used for? |
| 09:38.49 | CAiRO | that're |
| 09:38.50 | linuxNoob | what help is available on keyboard and mouse settings in when i use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 09:38.59 | enouf | hehehe .. I'd like to just get rid of that stinkin message ... no biggy though |
| 09:39.04 | ma3x | what's so important if it is 2 or 16MB? |
| 09:39.32 | derek[] | how much size of the swap partition is enough? |
| 09:40.04 | enouf | ma3x: for an App like a DE ?? or for swap? ...for a browser? |
| 09:40.04 | linuxNoob | mine was auto selected at something like 1.3gigs |
| 09:40.32 | cydork | CAiRO: check /etc/sysctl.conf for that |
| 09:40.46 | CAiRO | ah, ok, thanks for the hint |
| 09:40.49 | ma3x | enouf, what the hell are you talking about? |
| 09:41.06 | enouf | ma3x: wtf are you talking about? |
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| 09:41.28 | lkthomas | Anarka: only devel version for amd64 image ? |
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| 09:41.47 | enouf | ma3x: --> [05:31:43] <ma3x> what's the cache of a disk used for? |
| 09:41.50 | derek[] | would anyone answer? |
| 09:41.51 | Anarka | yep |
| 09:41.55 | lkthomas | hmmm, ok |
| 09:41.56 | ma3x | enouf, of a hard disk! |
| 09:42.16 | enouf | ma3x: why are you concerned about it? |
| 09:42.20 | cydork | derek[]: most people have /var /usr /tmp on different partitions but it's up to your need |
| 09:42.22 | linuxNoob | its like preloaded RAM |
| 09:42.22 | Anarka | lkthomas dl etch beta 3 version |
| 09:42.27 | linuxNoob | right? |
| 09:42.34 | liable | ma3x: it stores shit off the bus untill it can be written to disk |
| 09:42.39 | derek[] | cydork, and the swap partition? |
| 09:42.40 | ma3x | enouf, I want to know what's the difference if I have a hard disk with cache size of 2 or 16 mb |
| 09:42.49 | enouf | ma3x: oh .. you mean the Onboard Cache of a HDD |
| 09:42.49 | ma3x | liable, but that's not fucking important |
| 09:43.11 | enouf | ma3x: everyone thinks you mean VM ... swap file stuff |
| 09:43.14 | cydork | derek[]: that's goes without saying :0 |
| 09:43.25 | linuxNoob | 16 is faster? |
| 09:43.28 | derek[] | cydork, what size of it? |
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| 09:43.43 | liable | ma3x: you asked about disk cache, thats what it does.. what not fucking important about it? |
| 09:43.43 | ma3x | enouf, yeah |
| 09:43.57 | ma3x | liable, I mean its not so important if its 2 or 16 mb? |
| 09:44.02 | ma3x | will that make it faster? |
| 09:44.09 | enouf | ma3x: it CAN matter depending upon what you use it for ..is it wirth the extra money ?? in most times no .. but it can and does show improved performance under certain sttings |
| 09:44.29 | cydork | derek[]: 1.5 x i guess but if you have 1 gb ram or more (like me) then you rarely hit swap |
| 09:44.43 | ma3x | okay, and what's the difference if the hard disk has 4200 or 5400 rpm? |
| 09:44.51 | lkthomas | Anarka: any problem reported from amd64 version so far ? |
| 09:44.55 | enouf | ma3x: think of it as basically like the HDDs onboard RAM |
| 09:44.58 | cydork | ma3x: speed :) |
| 09:45.20 | enouf | ma3x: not as much as between 5400 and 7200 |
| 09:45.22 | liable | ask #hardware |
| 09:45.25 | Anarka | lkthomas probably ;) but ppl have been using etch to install for a long time now |
| 09:45.37 | enouf | ma3x: see storagereview.com please |
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| 09:45.57 | derek[] | cydork, can extra swap be harmful? |
| 09:46.10 | liable | no |
| 09:46.19 | wols_ | derek[]: only wasteful |
| 09:46.31 | derek[] | ok |
| 09:46.57 | derek[] | because currently I have 256MB of RAM , and later I expect to have 768MB |
| 09:46.59 | enouf | ma3x: all of your answers can be found through googling too .. search usinjg the Make/Model of the HDD you're thinking about . the WD Raptor Sata 10k drives are enteprise class and have a 5yr warranty and the speed of 10k relally helps see/access times |
| 09:47.07 | enouf | seek*/access |
| 09:47.35 | lkthomas | ok :) |
| 09:48.39 | jzu | I have sun ultrasparc2 2x 300MHz, and I have 256mb ram, 768mb swap, I'm soon adding 1gb ram |
| 09:48.46 | jzu | I don't think extra swap will be harmful :) |
| 09:49.24 | wols_ | jzu: it will if you only have a 4GB disk :P |
| 09:49.31 | andreiutz | MatBoy, cydork an another channel sombody told me that they would rather dye than installin alien and converting .rpm packages |
| 09:49.34 | andreiutz | is that bad ? |
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| 09:49.51 | cydork | andreiutz: i told you alien is evil! |
| 09:50.00 | andreiutz | cydork, why ? |
| 09:50.16 | MDCore | hey guys. I want to let my non-admin user make changes to /var/www. How do I setup my rights like that? |
| 09:50.20 | wols_ | andreiutz: cause it WILL break your system |
| 09:50.36 | jzu | wols_: Haha |
| 09:50.46 | cydork | :) |
| 09:50.48 | jzu | wols_: I have now 18GB SCSI disk, and soon adding another 18GB disk |
| 09:50.50 | andreiutz | wols_, i have stable |
| 09:50.55 | jzu | wols_: so it's not a problem is I have 768MB swap ;) |
| 09:51.10 | jzu | s/is/if |
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| 09:51.17 | wols_ | andreiutz: and that is relevant how? as soon as you install a single package converted with alien you don't have stable anymore |
| 09:51.27 | cydork | andreiutz: if you want it to stay stable then dont use alien! |
| 09:51.35 | liable | MDCore: you cant really, its owned by root, thats why its a fairly good idea to put document root in there home, otherwise you can set /var/www to owner or group www-data and make them a member |
| 09:51.38 | andreiutz | ok . i won't use it |
| 09:51.56 | wols_ | andreiutz: stable is only stable as long as you stay with debian stable repositories only. if you want newer software than what stable provides, use backports. |
| 09:52.01 | wols_ | but never ever use alien |
| 09:52.14 | jzu | alien seems like shitty solution :D |
| 09:52.14 | MDCore | liable: I'm cool with organizing things properly. I just presumed hey, apache uses /var/www I gotta use that... |
| 09:52.17 | cydork | MDCore: you can install it but dont use it :P |
| 09:52.25 | andreiutz | wols_, aha . i understand now |
| 09:52.27 | MDCore | cydork: I won't, I promise :) |
| 09:52.41 | MDCore | liable: what I"m trying to achieve is to keep my web projects in my home dir, but to serve them with apache (for local development) |
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| 09:52.52 | jzu | Hmm, Debian stable doesen't provide irssi 0.8.10, only irssi 0.8.9 |
| 09:52.54 | dn4 | back |
| 09:53.03 | wols_ | alien is the quickest way for me to make a tar.gz out of rpm and .deb alike. it's good for that. apart from that, it's only dangerous |
| 09:53.04 | jzu | I think I'll install 0.8.10 from sources, fuck apt |
| 09:53.17 | cydork | jzu: try backports |
| 09:53.18 | liable | MDCore: sure, just change document root in httpd.conf (or whatever it is for apache2) |
| 09:53.24 | MDCore | cool! |
| 09:53.24 | jzu | cydork: Hmm, backports? |
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| 09:53.30 | Ronin | !backports |
| 09:53.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 09:53.35 | MDCore | that sounds a lot simpler than messing with rights. |
| 09:53.37 | cydork | jzu: ^ |
| 09:53.55 | Anarka | MDCore but have you tried ~/public_html ? |
| 09:54.02 | jzu | cydork: Only way I thought would be that I'd update sources.list to testing, install latest irssi and move back to stable sources.list |
| 09:54.09 | wdamn | Hi, when I try to download anything with firefox or mozilla-suite, the browser frezze - any idea of what do I need? |
| 09:54.16 | jzu | cydork: would that be STUPID?-) |
| 09:54.17 | cydork | jzu: NO |
| 09:54.22 | jzu | cydork: Ok :D |
| 09:54.23 | cydork | jzu: i mean yes |
| 09:54.27 | Ronin | jzu: very very bad |
| 09:54.28 | MDCore | Anarka: no?? hmm. I've been running kubuntu as my desktop for a week and a half. Every day is a new world of discoveries :) |
| 09:54.30 | derek[] | lol |
| 09:54.32 | jzu | Ronin: ok |
| 09:54.38 | jzu | that would fuck up my debian stable, rite? |
| 09:54.40 | cydork | jzu: dont mix stable and testing |
| 09:54.54 | linuxNoob | can anyone tell me how to get my mouse and keyboard working? |
| 09:55.04 | wols_ | linuxNoob: in? |
| 09:55.05 | cydork | jzu: yes. in way you can never imagine |
| 09:55.09 | Anarka | MDCore just mkdir ~/public_html and access as http://myserver/~user/ |
| 09:55.10 | derek[] | plug it in |
| 09:55.11 | MDCore | Anarka: do I need to create a public_html dir for that ? am I asking this in the right channel? |
| 09:55.17 | liable | MDCore: please ask in #ubuntu/#kubuntu if you use those distros. this channel is for debian only |
| 09:55.18 | MDCore | Anarka: aaaaaah |
| 09:55.21 | wols_ | linuxNoob: did X start? |
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| 09:55.36 | enouf | linuxNoob: /msg dpkg usbmouse for a usb mouse |
| 09:55.57 | linuxNoob | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:56.11 | MDCore | liable: ok cool. I ask in here when I;m sure the questions are not ubuntu specifc, but I want sufficiently technical answers. Sometimes #ubuntu is flooded with "How do I install the p2p appz?" |
| 09:56.21 | linuxNoob | it starts, un responsive to mouse and keyboard |
| 09:56.46 | Anarka | MDCore and of course you need module userdir activated in apache |
| 09:56.54 | linuxNoob | i did not know what to pick when it asked for my mouse |
| 09:57.06 | enouf | linuxNoob: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log and post to a pastebin |
| 09:57.14 | wols_ | linuxNoob: how does it look? what is on screen? |
| 09:57.15 | linuxNoob | it has like seven cryptic choices |
| 09:57.18 | liable | it starts.. |
| 09:57.21 | enouf | linuxNoob: wait@! |
| 09:57.32 | cydork | MDCore: still that is not the reason to ask ubuntu questions here. |
| 09:57.33 | wols_ | linuxNoob: and which choices? |
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| 09:57.41 | Anarka | MDCore then just switch to debian and be happy :P |
| 09:57.46 | MDCore | :) |
| 09:57.49 | derek[] | :) |
| 09:57.58 | wols_ | MDCore: you NEVER ask question occuring on a ubuntu machine here |
| 09:58.00 | enouf | linuxNoob: you;re using Xfree86 ?? then it's /var/log/XFree86.0.log - I think |
| 09:58.12 | MDCore | Yeah, things got off topic. I really appreciate the help though. I'm learning about debian-based linux constantly. |
| 09:58.17 | MDCore | wols_: okay. |
| 09:58.28 | linuxNoob | ok it tells me about the differant types of mouses right, then hit OK and it asks like what file to load mouse with or somthing |
| 09:58.50 | liable | linuxNoob: you want /dev/input/mice and explorer/ps2 |
| 09:58.57 | wols_ | linuxNoob: what mouse do you have? how is it connected? |
| 09:59.13 | linuxNoob | its the standard PC mouse |
| 09:59.18 | linuxNoob | six pins |
| 09:59.23 | linuxNoob | ps/2 |
| 09:59.34 | wols_ | do what liable said |
| 09:59.50 | MDCore | I got it working besides. Thanks again for all your help guys. I'll call again when I'm hacking on a debian box :) |
| 10:00.05 | linuxNoob | with /dev/imput/mice it gave an error befor it finished loading |
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| 10:00.35 | wols_ | liable: wouldn't /dev/psaux work too? |
| 10:00.37 | liable | what error? |
| 10:00.41 | liable | wols_: yeah |
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| 10:00.54 | wols_ | linuxNoob: try /dev/psaux then |
| 10:01.10 | cydork | linuxNoob: or cat /dev/psaux before |
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| 10:01.13 | linuxNoob | er.. something about there being no value in a but of settings or files having to do with mice... i think |
| 10:01.21 | linuxNoob | i have logs no? |
| 10:01.46 | wols_ | linuxNoob: to make it all easier for you, next time you're in debian: |
| 10:01.50 | wols_ | apt-get install irssi-text |
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| 10:01.58 | wols_ | then run "irssi" |
| 10:02.01 | linuxNoob | what is that? |
| 10:02.04 | leOn | howdy |
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| 10:02.11 | wols_ | inside the program: /connect irc.freenode.net |
| 10:02.15 | wols_ | and then /join debian |
| 10:02.20 | wols_ | linuxNoob: it's an irc client |
| 10:02.27 | wols_ | so you can ask stuff right when it happens |
| 10:02.47 | linuxNoob | ohhh, but dose it have to have xwindow? |
| 10:02.48 | liable | not as root though |
| 10:02.56 | liable | no |
| 10:03.00 | wols_ | linuxNoob: no it does not need X |
| 10:03.16 | wols_ | linuxNoob: write it down. but as liable said: don't use it as root |
| 10:03.27 | linuxNoob | ok thank youi guys again, i need more coffie, and another bowl |
| 10:03.31 | liable | plus its l33t and the best client evar! |
| 10:03.38 | wols_ | liable: amen |
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| 10:03.59 | wols_ | dunno about the "l33t" tho |
| 10:04.09 | ma3x | enouf I need drives for my laptop, to connect them via firewire, but they're so expensive (2,5") |
| 10:04.11 | leOn | i'm having trouble mounting some multipath devices i have attached from a SAN box... the devices are getting created properly but seems like the mountall init script gets run before the devices are properly set by udev and multipath-tools. Any ideas? |
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| 10:04.49 | enouf | ma3x: yeah .. that they are indeed! |
| 10:04.54 | cydork | wols_: it is "1337" :) |
| 10:05.09 | wols_ | ma3x: what do you want to use the drivespace for? |
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| 10:05.38 | enouf | ma3x: there ARE certain place to look for sales though .. are you in the USA? |
| 10:05.47 | linuxNoob | what dir is the logfile to starx in? |
| 10:06.11 | ma3x | enouf, france |
| 10:06.12 | leOn | i'm using a sarge system to do this, with kernel/multipath-tools and udev from sid |
| 10:06.17 | enouf | linuxNoob: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log and post to a pastebin |
| 10:06.23 | enouf | !Paster |
| 10:06.23 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 10:06.29 | cydork | leOn: sarge and sid ? |
| 10:06.31 | enouf | linuxNoob: ^^ |
| 10:06.48 | enouf | ma3x: okie ... hmmm |
| 10:06.56 | pngwn | linuxNoob, /msg dpkg install manual |
| 10:06.56 | leOn | cydork: using backports packages for those |
| 10:07.12 | enouf | ma3x: what's the overeas shipping rates these days /.... lol |
| 10:07.21 | enouf | overseas* |
| 10:07.24 | ma3x | enouf, $30-40 I guess |
| 10:07.30 | wols_ | !tell leOn about bobbitt |
| 10:07.32 | leOn | apparently multipath support (not from raidtools) in sarge is not working properly |
| 10:07.56 | wols_ | when you do what you are doing, use at least etch |
| 10:07.56 | cydork | leOn: hmm i have no idea about that. but backports are fine |
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| 10:08.00 | enouf | ma3x: what do you need these drives for wols_ asked you .. perhaps there's an alternate solution |
| 10:08.29 | wols_ | ma3x: intended usage decides what drives to buy and where you might be able to save money |
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| 10:08.40 | [NiNmS]Knut_mit_ | hello |
| 10:08.44 | wols_ | e.g. if all you want is storing your pr0n collection, 4200 is fine |
| 10:08.45 | leOn | wols_: i'm well aware of the problems of mixing realeases, happens that the versions from sarge don't do what they're supposed to |
| 10:08.58 | ma3x | enouf, to backup my cds and to throw them away |
| 10:08.59 | wols_ | leOn: there is no udev in sarge, period |
| 10:09.06 | linuxNoob | ok so how do i use pasterbin? |
| 10:09.20 | wols_ | so you can't use sarge for what you do, and etch would be the better choice |
| 10:09.21 | [NiNmS]Knut_mit_ | i use xubuntu since yesterday, i have never worked with apt or synoptic before.. can anyone tell me how to install new software? |
| 10:09.35 | wols_ | [NiNmS]Knut_mit_: #ubuntu |
| 10:09.37 | cydork | [NiNmS]Knut_mit_: go to #ubnut |
| 10:09.48 | enouf | ma3x: ahhh ... so a medium range drive should do .. it's not like you need it/them for Video editing and such |
| 10:09.50 | leOn | wols_: you should consider looking at the sarge repository closely |
| 10:09.53 | leOn | wols_: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/udev |
| 10:10.09 | cydork | wols_: yes it has udev :) |
| 10:10.10 | ma3x | enouf, no no, don't need them for video editing |
| 10:10.24 | wols_ | leOn: how would that work with a kernel that's not made for it? |
| 10:10.30 | enouf | ma3x: so .. would 1 drive at say 160/200GB suffice? |
| 10:10.31 | linuxNoob | errr ok |
| 10:10.38 | enouf | ma3x: for enough space? |
| 10:10.43 | linuxNoob | <patebin> |
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| 10:10.53 | wols_ | ma3x: use the cheapest, slowest but biggest drive you can still afford |
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| 10:10.59 | enouf | !tell linuxNoob about paster |
| 10:11.02 | ma3x | enouf, yeah yeah that's enough |
| 10:11.04 | leOn | wols_: have you ever wondered about using your own kernel when you need support for specific hardware? |
| 10:11.30 | leOn | being a qlogic fc card in this case |
| 10:11.33 | wols_ | leOn: I did. but when something is in sarge I expect the debian sarge kernel to support it. otherwise it would be a broken package |
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| 10:11.34 | enouf | ma3x: for whatever it's worth - I'll throw you some sites... not sure about international shipping and such |
| 10:12.29 | ma3x | enouf, ok....... |
| 10:12.36 | enouf | ma3x: numero uno http://www.cheapstingybargains.com/cheapster/hard-drives/ |
| 10:12.46 | leOn | wols_: in that case, also take a look at the kernel-package package ... |
| 10:12.54 | enouf | ma3x: numero duo bensbargains.net |
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| 10:13.00 | tarzeau | this sounds like fun: http://www.bash.org/?685293 |
| 10:13.04 | enouf | www.bensbargains.net |
| 10:13.15 | linuxNoob | oh shit |
| 10:13.15 | enouf | ma3x: ^^ |
| 10:13.25 | Braindead | enouf: it's "numero due" actually ;) |
| 10:13.26 | linuxNoob | my DVD drive is going out |
| 10:13.39 | wols_ | tarzeau: add the quarters slowly over time |
| 10:13.42 | enouf | ma3x: numero tre .. www.slickdeals.net |
| 10:13.55 | usn_work | hi tehre |
| 10:14.00 | linuxNoob | when it starts clicking and jumping, that aint good Eh? |
| 10:14.04 | wols_ | and pray you can open the part. most of them are molded out of a single piece of plastic |
| 10:14.25 | wols_ | linuxNoob: could be a bad/scratched disk too |
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| 10:14.39 | wols_ | but: drives are fairly cheap. 15-20$ |
| 10:14.50 | linuxNoob | ok so i just lost browser |
| 10:15.07 | ma3x | enouf, hehe thanks. you speak italian? |
| 10:15.37 | Braindead | ma3x: sure not,he mispelled "due" ;) |
| 10:15.45 | enouf | ma3x: if you have any questions about ANY retailer's reliability .. see www.resellerratings.com and enter their name to find out the dealio on them |
| 10:16.00 | enouf | ma3x: a very very little .. hehe |
| 10:16.03 | Braindead | cyzie: davvero? |
| 10:16.15 | enouf | smacks cydork with a bit of halibut |
| 10:16.20 | Braindead | cydork: perche` odi l'italiano? |
| 10:16.44 | cydork | Braindead: i have no idea what means :P |
| 10:16.44 | enouf | cydork: you like Opera? |
| 10:16.54 | cydork | enouf: no freekin way |
| 10:17.02 | Guerin | thank gods for that |
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| 10:17.08 | enouf | !fishsmite cydork |
| 10:17.14 | Guerin | opera just ain't right |
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| 10:17.15 | leOn | hi Guerin |
| 10:17.18 | Braindead | cydork: it means "my hovercraft is full of eels" |
| 10:17.25 | Guerin | leOn: g'day mite |
| 10:17.39 | enouf | cydork: you mean you hav no appreciation for that at all?? .. the beauty of it (some only) |
| 10:17.40 | ma3x | enouf, okay thanks, I'll look at that later |
| 10:17.52 | ma3x | enouf, you usually on irc? |
| 10:17.54 | leOn | Guerin: would be if started getting lucky with this multipath thing ... |
| 10:17.55 | enouf | ma3x: no prob :-) |
| 10:17.57 | leOn | *sigh* |
| 10:18.02 | cydork | enouf: what beauty?? |
| 10:18.03 | leOn | brb |
| 10:18.25 | enouf | sometimes I'm around .. I'm always doing diff things though -- sometimes I'm logged but no near the keyboard |
| 10:18.32 | enouf | ma3x: ^^ |
| 10:18.57 | enouf | cydork: ever see the movie called Shawshank Redemption? |
| 10:19.12 | ma3x | okie, i'll see you around then |
| 10:19.17 | ma3x | thanks |
| 10:19.20 | enouf | ma3x: ok |
| 10:19.27 | enouf | ;-_) |
| 10:19.31 | cydork | enouf: nope |
| 10:20.05 | enouf | cydork: dammit .. subscribe to netflix! .. where do you get your pr0n from then -- hehe |
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| 10:20.30 | enouf | cydork: it's actually a great movie .. rent it if you can |
| 10:21.06 | ThUndefined | i'm looking for a command line tool like top but then to monitor network connections |
| 10:21.14 | cydork | enouf: hmm looking at review The life of Andy Dufresne changes when he is convicted and jailed for the murder of his wife |
| 10:21.27 | cydork | ThUndefined: iftop |
| 10:21.32 | ThUndefined | thx cy |
| 10:21.37 | Braindead | ThUndefined: iptraf too |
| 10:22.04 | enouf | cydork: anyway - there's lovely italian opera in there at one point .. then you'll know what you've been missing -- see i wouldn't tell you to go out and buy Figaro or anythin - figure you need some other way of introduction |
| 10:22.19 | cydork | ThUndefined: or jnettop |
| 10:22.51 | Braindead | enouf: I have to remind you though that opera isn't fully intelligible even for native italian speakers... |
| 10:22.57 | enouf | cydork: it's got Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman - and it's based on a true story .. along the lines of the Green Mile (tom hanks) |
| 10:23.02 | ThUndefined | more then choice enough as usual :) i'll see what fits my purpose best |
| 10:23.08 | enouf | Braindead: no need for it to be.. :-) |
| 10:23.26 | Braindead | "I just like the sound of it" |
| 10:23.40 | enouf | Braindead: me too .. I have NO Clue what they're saying .. hehe |
| 10:24.28 | Braindead | enouf: I'm italian and I actually have to read the booklet to fully understand what the fat man is singing... |
| 10:25.06 | enouf | Braindead: likewise .. but yeah .. there are many dialects and then there's always 'high' italian |
| 10:25.27 | enouf | or the fat lady :-) |
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| 10:25.41 | enouf | she's pleasantly plump though |
| 10:25.55 | Braindead | enouf: it's not a matter of understanding the language,it's a matter of understanding what the hell they're saying. yes it's not over 'till the fat lady sings |
| 10:27.13 | enouf | Braindead: I have that problem with lyrics sung in English - and that's my native language .. they skew the vowels so much sometimes .. it's an issue throughout all kinds of music and languages |
| 10:27.27 | Braindead | yeah,misheard lyrics... |
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| 10:27.32 | enouf | But engrish stinks for opera :-P |
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| 10:29.11 | enouf | gives cydork the third eye look for not being adventurous |
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| 10:29.35 | cydork | enouf: since when opera is adventurous. |
| 10:29.44 | cydork | enouf: making out while it's playing is :P |
| 10:29.57 | enouf | cydork: when you haven't tried it completely :-] |
| 10:30.17 | enouf | cydork: precisely .. now you're getting it |
| 10:30.31 | th0ger | How do i get the first character of a string in bash? |
| 10:31.06 | enouf | cydork: try not to do that at the theatre though -- yes , that certainly would be adventuresome, but you may get thrown out too >_> |
| 10:31.15 | Braindead | th0ger: cut |
| 10:31.35 | th0ger | Braindead: thanks |
| 10:31.42 | cydork | enouf: now that's adventurous :) |
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| 10:33.36 | enouf | cydork: ! o ! |
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| 10:33.46 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 10:33.50 | lkthomas | I got nforce chipset |
| 10:33.57 | lkthomas | when I bootup to debian install CD |
| 10:34.03 | lkthomas | it said that my LAN card can not be found |
| 10:34.14 | lkthomas | I think it's due to nforce problem |
| 10:34.19 | lkthomas | anyone got solution about this ? |
| 10:34.53 | enouf | lkthomas: tried the etch beta3 installer ? tried 'linux26' at the boot prompt? |
| 10:35.32 | cydork | lkthomas: which version of debian are you trying to install? |
| 10:35.44 | lkthomas | I am using etch beta 3 |
| 10:35.48 | enouf | Which Mobo ?? which nForce .. 2/3/4 ?? Pro? |
| 10:35.48 | lkthomas | hmm, no |
| 10:35.54 | lkthomas | I think 4 |
| 10:36.08 | lkthomas | NF-6100-405 |
| 10:36.18 | lkthomas | let me try linux26 |
| 10:36.21 | lkthomas | enouf |
| 10:36.26 | lkthomas | does linux26 solve the problem ? |
| 10:36.39 | wols_ | lkthomas: both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels should have forcedeth in debian (the driver for your LAN) |
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| 10:36.48 | cydork | lkthomas: etch has linux26 by default |
| 10:36.49 | lkthomas | I am using netinst image |
| 10:37.30 | enouf | lkthomas: yeah unfortunately it already uses 2.6.8 kernel |
| 10:37.54 | lkthomas | what should I do now |
| 10:39.00 | cydork | enouf: he is on etch installer which has 2.6.16 |
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| 10:39.18 | enouf | cydork: doh .. |
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| 10:40.20 | enouf | cydork: that kernel definitely has this /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/forcedeth.ko |
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| 10:40.32 | anisfarhana | hello guys! :D |
| 10:40.42 | wols_ | which part does it error? where it tries to acquire a IP via DHCP? |
| 10:40.46 | enouf | as wols_ said |
| 10:40.53 | lkthomas | it said no Eth card found |
| 10:41.10 | anisfarhana | im using mandrake , fedora , redhat , suse , ubuntu and knoppix before this..now i wanna try debian sarge 3.1 , that is a good idea ? |
| 10:41.11 | lkthomas | obviously that NV driver didn't initiate first |
| 10:41.14 | wols_ | answer my question |
| 10:41.38 | lkthomas | wols_: you talking to me ? |
| 10:41.42 | wols_ | yes |
| 10:41.57 | lkthomas | it doesn't even get into ip level |
| 10:42.05 | lkthomas | it just say that no eth card found |
| 10:42.05 | wols_ | anisfarhana: look at the channel name then rethink your question |
| 10:42.12 | lkthomas | as I am using net install |
| 10:42.15 | wols_ | lkthomas: answer my question |
| 10:42.19 | anisfarhana | im little bit confused at http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/ , what is different between 3.1_r0A and just 3.1_r0 ? |
| 10:42.36 | wols_ | anisfarhana: a fuckup on release |
| 10:42.39 | lkthomas | wols_: I don't understand please |
| 10:42.40 | enouf | anisfarhana: type this into your irc client --> /topic |
| 10:42.51 | wols_ | lkthomas: what does it try to do when the error appears? |
| 10:42.59 | cydork | anisfarhana: and get images from http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
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| 10:43.16 | enouf | anisfarhana: then this --> /msg dpkg sarge 3.1r3 |
| 10:43.21 | wols_ | lkthomas: cause if it tries to get a dhcp address, you could switch to terminal 2 right before it and manually load forcedeth if it doesn't recognize it |
| 10:43.25 | anisfarhana | aha guys slow down |
| 10:43.35 | lkthomas | wols_: interesting, hmmm |
| 10:43.42 | lkthomas | wols_: hey, let me try that first |
| 10:43.43 | cydork | her? |
| 10:43.53 | lkthomas | 1sec please, brgb |
| 10:43.54 | lkthomas | brb |
| 10:44.02 | wols_ | cydork: yes sometimes there are women on this world. and a few of them even visit #debian |
| 10:44.04 | cydork | !prize anisfarhana |
| 10:44.27 | wols_ | personally I tjhink it's a mistake but they're women. they're enigmatic :) |
| 10:44.38 | cydork | wols_: i haven't seen many here. i thought they hang out at #debian-women |
| 10:44.42 | enouf | anisfarhana: ok - no problem at all |
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| 10:45.08 | anisfarhana | oh my god , debian got 16 cds ??? |
| 10:45.10 | wols_ | anisfarhana: do you want a desktop system or a server under debian? If a desktop, you might be interested in etch (debian testing). It's more up to date |
| 10:45.17 | anisfarhana | http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/?fl= |
| 10:45.25 | cydork | anisfarhana: if you have good net connection get a netinstall |
| 10:45.30 | enouf | anisfarhana: you only need 1 to start :-) |
| 10:45.35 | wols_ | anisfarhana: stable is now one and a half year old, giving a bit of an outdated impression I'd think |
| 10:45.39 | anisfarhana | wols_: desktop system , and some of application for server |
| 10:46.01 | enouf | looks at wols_: .. older than that IIRC |
| 10:46.21 | anisfarhana | ok ok , i want debian with kde , does i need to download all binaries ? |
| 10:46.23 | wols_ | enouf: june 2005 was release or so. freeze was before of course |
| 10:46.24 | enouf | August 2004 IIRC |
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| 10:46.36 | cydork | !release |
| 10:46.37 | dpkg | Sarge has been released (2005-06-06). Sarge is Debian 3.1, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <woody->sarge>. |
| 10:46.37 | enouf | oh ... |
| 10:46.39 | cydork | !releases |
| 10:46.40 | dpkg | i guess releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 10:46.44 | cydork | :) |
| 10:46.58 | enouf | wols_: doh again .. apologies |
| 10:47.22 | enouf | wols_: for looking at you funny :-p |
| 10:47.36 | enouf | !gothsmite anisfarhana |
| 10:47.44 | anisfarhana | stupid question from stupid newbies , i need to download all 16 cds ? |
| 10:47.50 | cydork | anisfarhana: nooooo |
| 10:48.03 | liable | yes, and the dvd's as well |
| 10:48.14 | cydork | anisfarhana: like i said if you have a good net connection get the netisntall cd! |
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| 10:48.20 | anisfarhana | cydork: i just want package kde and debian only , no gnome etc etc |
| 10:48.31 | cydork | liable: heh and mini iso and buissness card image :P |
| 10:48.33 | wols_ | anisfarhana: get the netinstalla nd then install kde |
| 10:48.51 | cydork | anisfarhana: install the base system then |
| 10:48.53 | cydork | !install kde |
| 10:48.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 10:49.07 | anisfarhana | i guess i need to learn a lot then |
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| 10:50.22 | Janchi | !xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 10:50.22 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 10:50.29 | lkthomas | wols_: interesting, forcedeth not found |
| 10:50.29 | wols_ | anisfarhana: debian is VERY customisable :) No "on shoe fits all" |
| 10:50.37 | wols_ | lkthomas: what kernel version? |
| 10:50.51 | jariep1_ | how do I set JAVA_HOME for sun Java 1.5 SDK |
| 10:51.01 | Janchi | !install xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 10:51.06 | anisfarhana | wols_: what a bad day sir , i just confused what iso image should i download |
| 10:51.12 | wols_ | !tell Janchi about ati |
| 10:51.15 | wols_ | !tell Janchi about msg |
| 10:51.16 | lkthomas | I am using this : http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 10:51.27 | wols_ | !d-i |
| 10:51.28 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 10:51.41 | anisfarhana | cydork: i don thave a good connection , sir , net install will be bad for me |
| 10:51.50 | cydork | anisfarhana: sir??? |
| 10:51.58 | wols_ | anisfarhana: one way or the other you have to download it all |
| 10:52.10 | wols_ | with netinstall you need less cause then it's only the needed stuff |
| 10:52.14 | anisfarhana | wols_: one way , i guess from net install ? |
| 10:52.16 | Janchi | thanks wols |
| 10:52.20 | wols_ | with full 700MB CDs it will be more |
| 10:52.36 | liable | cd1 will give you kde |
| 10:52.36 | wols_ | yes netinstall is best |
| 10:52.38 | lkthomas | wols_: I am using devel debian installer then |
| 10:52.44 | cydork | anisfarhana: still then go for netinstall and install kdebase to download less stuff |
| 10:52.52 | wols_ | lkthomas: please read my questions more carefully |
| 10:52.56 | anisfarhana | wols_: Official netinst images for the stable release <-- this one ? |
| 10:53.12 | wols_ | lkthomas: and what command did you enter to load forcedeth? |
| 10:53.20 | lkthomas | modprobe forcedeth |
| 10:53.30 | anisfarhana | wols_ / cydork : by using net install , i will haunting you everyday , scary |
| 10:53.31 | wols_ | anisfarhana: I would. but as always: personal choice. what hardware do you have? |
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| 10:53.52 | wols_ | anisfarhana: no you won't. besides, cydork likes more women here as you could see :) |
| 10:53.56 | cydork | anisfarhana: bring it on! :P |
| 10:54.01 | anisfarhana | wols_: pentium 3.0 1.7 GB DDR2 |
| 10:54.02 | lkthomas | wols_: I forget which kernel version is it |
| 10:54.06 | wols_ | anisfarhana: installing kde after the netinstall is easy: apt-get install <package>. done |
| 10:54.18 | wols_ | anisfarhana: what chipset? |
| 10:54.26 | anisfarhana | wols_: netinstall means i need internet connection while installing ? |
| 10:54.33 | anisfarhana | wols_: Intel OEM |
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| 10:54.52 | wols_ | anisfarhana: means after the intall. install gives you a basic system without X. rest comes later for which you will need a net connection |
| 10:54.56 | lkthomas | wols_: what's the module name for forcedeth ? |
| 10:55.09 | wols_ | anisfarhana: that is not a chipset. it's a mainboard. chipset might be i865 or i915 |
| 10:55.24 | anisfarhana | wols_: i can take a risk doing that , but don't mad at me if i keep asking u stupid question later |
| 10:55.27 | wols_ | lkthomas: answer my questions. frcedeth IS a module name |
| 10:55.56 | wols_ | anisfarhana: how do you connect to the internet? DSL? cable? dial up? |
| 10:55.58 | anisfarhana | wols_: hoho sorry , i686 |
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| 10:56.02 | lkthomas | wols_: I use modprobe forcedeth |
| 10:56.02 | anisfarhana | shame on me |
| 10:56.05 | cydork | anisfarhana: wols_ can handle stupid questions as you can see :P |
| 10:56.11 | anisfarhana | wols_: DSL via pppoe |
| 10:56.28 | wols_ | anisfarhana: pppoeconf after the netinstall is done then |
| 10:57.05 | anisfarhana | ok wols_ / cydork , i will start downloading net install , then this little girl will haunt you everyday after this |
| 10:57.45 | anisfarhana | wols_: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r3-i386-netinst.iso , correct ? |
| 10:57.47 | enouf | anisfarhana: could also see http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
| 10:57.48 | liable | dont tell people on irc you are a little girl.. |
| 10:58.01 | anisfarhana | liable: ah ok sorry |
| 10:58.07 | wols_ | anisfarhana: this is a sarge(stable) netinst |
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| 10:58.19 | liable | anisfarhana: tongue in cheek |
| 10:58.32 | anisfarhana | liable: tongue in cheek ? |
| 10:58.34 | tralala | does the sarge netinstall come with dsl modem support? |
| 10:58.37 | anisfarhana | wols_: that is ok with me ? |
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| 10:58.46 | wols_ | liable: it helps her to get what she wants from the opposite sex. of course it's cynical and scheming |
| 10:59.02 | cydork | wols_: does netinstall come wiht pppoe pppoeconf?? |
| 10:59.04 | wols_ | anisfarhana: depends if you want testing or stable and depends a bit on your hardware |
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| 10:59.20 | anisfarhana | wols_: i will shoot on stable first k |
| 10:59.26 | wols_ | cydork: did for me yes. at last my woody netinsts definitely had them |
| 10:59.30 | anisfarhana | dinner time , so tired |
| 10:59.43 | anisfarhana | see ya soon |
| 10:59.45 | wols_ | anisfarhana: start with "linux26" on the bootprompt |
| 10:59.58 | tralala | and don't panic ;) |
| 11:00.04 | JimPanic | Huh. |
| 11:00.14 | liable | you can |
| 11:00.17 | JimPanic | You do that on purpose, don't ya? |
| 11:00.17 | tralala | ops ;))) |
| 11:00.24 | JimPanic | ;> |
| 11:00.26 | wols_ | JimPanic: reacting on "pnaic" with a highlight is bad ;) |
| 11:00.27 | anisfarhana | wols_: wait until i finish download first , then i need you to kick out fedora from my machine! |
| 11:00.28 | cydork | hehe |
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| 11:00.40 | JimPanic | It's just a "there's panic in the screen buffer" highlight |
| 11:01.08 | liable | so disable nick highlight.. |
| 11:01.09 | anisfarhana | later guys , thanks for helping me , no one can beat #debian ( they have a lots of helper here ) |
| 11:01.11 | anisfarhana | thanks again |
| 11:01.16 | wols_ | anisfarhana: overwrite the partition, install grub to the MBR and it's done |
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| 11:01.42 | wols_ | ... wait until she sees how bitchy we can get at her if we want to... |
| 11:02.41 | blondie | o/~ I'm a barbie girl, in the barbie world... |
| 11:02.42 | JimPanic | liable: Not a nick highlight..I was just zapping through the channels and saw "don't panic" |
| 11:02.51 | blondie | DONT PANICK |
| 11:03.08 | wols_ | blondie: do you feel neglected as our resident token female? *g* |
| 11:03.18 | blondie | I'm not a female *slap* |
| 11:03.29 | tralala | JimPanic: perhaps it's a sign from above that it's time to stop panicing ;) |
| 11:03.30 | wols_ | awwww! but you're so *cute* |
| 11:03.31 | liable | haha, so puch, not slap! |
| 11:03.37 | liable | punch.. |
| 11:03.41 | cydork | hehe |
| 11:03.43 | clso | hi and lol |
| 11:03.44 | wols_ | and a pretty adorable little girl |
| 11:03.48 | JimPanic | tralala: la la la |
| 11:04.19 | liable | one banana two? |
| 11:05.17 | liable | must be 9pm again |
| 11:05.20 | tralala | wait dpkg! don't go |
| 11:05.22 | cydork | dpkg got tired of this crap? |
| 11:05.31 | liable | he quits same time every night |
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| 11:05.39 | wols_ | what does he do? |
| 11:05.49 | cydork | wols_: no body knows :P |
| 11:05.52 | tralala | wols_: you don't want to know, believe me |
| 11:05.55 | liable | i guess hes got bugs and is restarted? |
| 11:06.52 | tralala | goes to the vet for a "special" visit? |
| 11:06.59 | liable | hes early by 2 mins tonight though |
| 11:07.14 | liable | oh, maybe my clock is slowing actually.. |
| 11:07.35 | wols_ | tralala: I have an idea using duct tape, vaseline ... and keep the NSA|FBI|CIA off my back for... |
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| 11:08.49 | tralala | dpkg: wb |
| 11:08.49 | dpkg | thanks, tralala. It's good to be back. |
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| 11:09.24 | tralala | dpkg: I hope you had fun as much as we did while you were missing |
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| 11:15.48 | cydork | !say tralala: you have no idea ;) |
| 11:15.48 | dpkg | tralala: you have no idea ;) |
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| 11:16.39 | tralala | hehe :) |
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| 11:19.04 | pngwn | /c/c |
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| 11:39.31 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 11:39.34 | lkthomas | anyone using nforce chipset ? |
| 11:39.54 | Skiver | yes. |
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| 11:40.19 | wols_ | lkthomas: you still haven't said WHICH nforce chipset |
| 11:40.22 | wols_ | there are several |
| 11:40.36 | lkthomas | skidj: I am using nforce chipset, and I did modprobe forcedeth, what else should I do ? I am using NF-6100-405 |
| 11:40.39 | wols_ | and you still haven't said WHICH kernel version |
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| 11:40.59 | lkthomas | wols_: it should be 2.6.xx |
| 11:41.12 | m0dY | is there a way to know how a .deb pkg was built ? like the configuration build parameters and so.. |
| 11:41.14 | lkthomas | I forget what version is it as I shutdown the box and back to here |
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| 11:41.29 | wols_ | m0dY: get the source, look into /debian/ |
| 11:41.35 | CAiRO | hmm, what can be the reason when i can't turn on smart for my sata devices? |
| 11:41.36 | wols_ | *source package |
| 11:41.45 | CAiRO | i've tried smartctl -s on /dev/sda |
| 11:41.46 | wols_ | CAiRO: reason for what? |
| 11:41.56 | wols_ | a can't. sorry |
| 11:42.01 | m0dY | wols_: thanks :) |
| 11:42.09 | CAiRO | but i get an error: unable to fetch IEC (SMART) mode page [unsupported field in scsi command] |
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| 11:42.53 | wols_ | CAiRO: is it a USB connected disk? |
| 11:43.01 | CAiRO | no, SATA |
| 11:43.31 | lkthomas | so NF-6100-405 = Nforce4 ? |
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| 11:43.51 | CAiRO | the strange thing is that i own 2 ATA disks of the same model and smart works for them |
| 11:43.58 | enouf | CAiRO: i think it's not supported - like usb drives aren't |
| 11:44.24 | Skiver | lkthomas, it's a mobo with GPU ? |
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| 11:44.56 | lkthomas | Skiver: graphic card with MCP |
| 11:45.40 | CAiRO | enouf: but why? sata is the ata replacement? it's a bit strange when you can't use smart for sata drives to detect errors before you lose data |
| 11:45.49 | Skiver | lkthomas, hold on. |
| 11:47.09 | enouf | lkthomas: i think that AM2 CPU socket uses nForce5 |
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| 11:47.23 | lkthomas | enouf: it's nforce410 |
| 11:47.24 | enouf | CAiRO: totally different protocol |
| 11:47.38 | lkthomas | brb |
| 11:47.51 | CAiRO | lol, another strange thing: when i've last rebooted my computer 140 days ago, those /dev/sda disks were /dev/hde.. i can see that in my raidtab |
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| 11:48.01 | CAiRO | how could that happen? |
| 11:48.14 | cydork | CAiRO: switched kernel to 2.4? |
| 11:48.17 | wols_ | CAiRO: kernel change |
| 11:48.31 | CAiRO | no, i haven't rebooted |
| 11:48.37 | lc0817408 | hello, I uninstalled dovecot somehow upgrading my mysql packages, I've reinstalled it, but I can't get mail. What can I try to solve this? |
| 11:48.37 | enouf | CAiRO: Serial - like Usb - uses 8/10b encoding .. there are adapteres built in to make them work on the ATA Bus .. as you can see from the SCSI error messgae |
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| 11:50.17 | cydork | hey who's native langauge is english? |
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| 11:50.29 | aidan | mine, cydork |
| 11:50.42 | cydork | i have some OT question if you dont mind? |
| 11:50.49 | petemc | i is native englishes speaker |
| 11:51.18 | cydork | petemc, aidan: what does "obligation to hold a visa" mean? |
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| 11:51.43 | wols_ | cydork: "Your papers, scum!" |
| 11:51.53 | petemc | alien scum |
| 11:51.55 | Braindead | ohia! la migra! |
| 11:52.14 | wols_ | cydork: you need a valid visa to enter and stay in that country |
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| 11:52.27 | xopher | What would be the correct way to name 0.32.0 RC 2, for a deb? |
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| 11:54.30 | CAiRO | lol, i'm afraid to reboot my server and see everything fucked up after 140 days |
| 11:54.40 | CAiRO | right now everything is working so nice |
| 11:54.50 | db233 | hello, I have 172.16.31.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 11:54.53 | db233 | what is broadcast address 172.16.31.255? |
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| 11:55.30 | tralala | !qotd57 |
| 11:55.30 | dpkg | <yazid> "dumb client with the fewest moving parts" .. a phrase dangerous when overheard by strangers out of the IT office ;) |
| 11:55.58 | chemaja | heh |
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| 11:56.28 | Maulkin | 0.32.0~rc2 I think |
| 11:56.34 | Maulkin | I'll need to check though |
| 11:56.34 | db233 | anyone capable answering it? I am getting frustrated something going wrong with my printers |
| 11:56.41 | db233 | hello, I have 172.16.31.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 11:56.44 | db233 | what is broadcast address 172.16.31.255? |
| 11:56.55 | petemc | db233: that should be fine |
| 11:57.02 | Braindead | db233: it should be .255. anyway install ipcalc,it's useful |
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| 11:57.33 | db233 | Braindead have no ipcalc here, |
| 11:57.47 | Braindead | which part of *install* isn't clear? |
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| 11:59.13 | tralala | !qotd67 |
| 11:59.14 | dpkg | <TheCrazedLog> So anyone got any pearls of wisdom they care to pass on? <TheCrazedLog> that are relevant to my problem =P <sussudio> don't eat the yellow snow |
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| 12:01.27 | sussudio | :-| |
| 12:02.08 | cydork | sussudio: so how was that related to his problem? :P |
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| 12:03.37 | tralala | perhaps his problem was that he ate too much of that yellow snow... |
| 12:04.08 | cydork | tralala: i thought so :) |
| 12:04.37 | singeon | hi, I've just fitted a cd rewriter to my machine and its not been detected I think. mount: special device /dev/hdc does not exist. Any suggestions? |
| 12:05.21 | wols_ | singeon: udev or no? ls -al /dev/hdc |
| 12:05.40 | tralala | singeon: review the output of dmesg carefully. If it's not there then perhaps it's not connected properly. |
| 12:05.45 | singeon | ls: /dev/hdc: No such file or directory |
| 12:05.53 | singeon | okay thanks |
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| 12:08.41 | aidan | I accidently uninstalled dovecot, I've reinstalled but I can't get it working. Trying to fetch my mail just pings out. What can I try? |
| 12:09.22 | telexicon | is the daemon running? |
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| 12:12.15 | sussudio | !qotd98 |
| 12:12.16 | dpkg | <feerf> ok, the main think that does not work in Woody is that Woody is way too old (like museum now) |
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| 12:13.38 | tralala | !qotd124 |
| 12:13.38 | dpkg | < RichiH> stable is for masochist fetishists with serverphobia ;) |
| 12:14.04 | th0ger | Inside a (bash) while-loop i have a 'read line'. How can i save the return code of read, (and put in into the while condition)? |
| 12:14.44 | aidan | telexicon: yes |
| 12:14.57 | telexicon | one which port? |
| 12:15.00 | telexicon | on* |
| 12:15.04 | aidan | telexicon: /usr/sbin/dovecot is running, as is pop3-login |
| 12:15.15 | aidan | I assume 110, how can I check? ifconfig? |
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| 12:15.22 | telexicon | netstat |
| 12:15.34 | tralala | th0ger: there is #bash, you know... |
| 12:16.01 | macsim | hi, anybody can tell me what the "Reading extended state information" form aptitude update really means ? thx |
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| 12:17.09 | aidan | netstat -l shows a /var/run/dovecot/login/default running on 2154368 ? |
| 12:17.25 | telexicon | netstat -tua |
| 12:17.37 | th0ger | tralala: okay |
| 12:18.37 | aidan | *:pop3 is listening on *:* |
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| 12:19.35 | wols_ | aidan: are you running imap too? |
| 12:20.06 | telexicon | is your firewall configured to allow incoming connections on that port |
| 12:20.54 | aidan | telexicon: how do I check? ipchains ? |
| 12:21.04 | wols_ | iptables -L usually |
| 12:21.04 | telexicon | which version of linux? |
| 12:21.10 | telexicon | yes that should work |
| 12:21.11 | wols_ | or simply telnet to port 110 |
| 12:21.12 | aidan | sarge |
| 12:21.21 | telexicon | disable telnet |
| 12:21.32 | wols_ | telexicon: you cannot disable telnet |
| 12:21.38 | wols_ | telnet is a client |
| 12:21.50 | andreiutz | Hi! yesterday i installed flash to watch a debianCBT video tutorial but the sound were very distorted(only flash presentations) . after consulting the web i have seen that other people face the same problem . i follow some guide lines and i installed: alsa-oss , modified mozilla-firefoxrc and still the sound were distorted . i reinstaled flash several times the same problem . this morning i ran alsaconf and tried again . surprise it worked . after a re |
| 12:21.50 | telexicon | and? |
| 12:21.50 | andreiutz | start the sound was still distorted . it only works when i run alsaconf but i don't have to restart the computer . WHY |
| 12:22.11 | wols_ | and it's about the best thing to connect to a server to check what the server is doing |
| 12:22.15 | aidan | iptables -L doesn't tell me anything useful |
| 12:22.16 | wols_ | easy quick, always available |
| 12:22.26 | telexicon | and completely in cleartext |
| 12:22.30 | aidan | it doesn't look like I have any rules there |
| 12:22.50 | wols_ | telexicon: pop3 is cleartext duh! |
| 12:22.59 | telexicon | i wouldnt use pop3 |
| 12:23.08 | telexicon | unless it was over TLS or something |
| 12:23.09 | wols_ | ever seen a pop3 server give you encryption? (pop3s is however) |
| 12:23.19 | telexicon | yea gmail does |
| 12:23.36 | tralala | gmail doesn't use pop3 |
| 12:23.38 | wols_ | that is not pop3 |
| 12:23.51 | telexicon | oh? what is it then? |
| 12:23.59 | wols_ | pop3s on port 995 |
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| 12:24.22 | wols_ | and you still miss that speak of telnet and NOT in.telnetd. telnet is great for debugging network problems like aidan has |
| 12:24.36 | aidan | connecting via telnet gives : +OK dovecot ready |
| 12:24.44 | telexicon | splendid |
| 12:24.51 | wols_ | aidan: then the problem lies with auth I guess |
| 12:25.01 | wols_ | doesn't your mail client say something? |
| 12:25.07 | wols_ | like "failed to auth" or whatever? |
| 12:25.26 | wols_ | or dovecot maybe something writing into its logs? |
| 12:25.46 | aidan | where can I see the dovecot logs? they're not in /var/log |
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| 12:25.58 | wols_ | looked in syslog? mail.log? |
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| 12:26.10 | Coke | Is there a way to save/restore file permissions in a tree structure? |
| 12:26.24 | Coke | Like, under /etc |
| 12:28.20 | blondie | Coke: you could write a script |
| 12:28.30 | Coke | blondie: so, no such tool exists? |
| 12:28.40 | blondie | well maybe, but I've never seen one :) |
| 12:28.53 | Coke | do you know of some exploit detection tool that helps scan /etc for weaknesses? |
| 12:29.04 | SpComb | tiger? |
| 12:29.22 | blondie | tiger says "GROWL!" |
| 12:29.29 | aidan | man that's odd |
| 12:29.31 | SpComb | tiger spams me :( |
| 12:30.03 | aidan | I apt-get uninstalled spamc, spamassasin, amavisd-new, and restarted dovecot and pow, it works |
| 12:30.16 | aidan | the error messages in syslog are: |
| 12:30.28 | aidan | pop3-login: Disconnected: Inactivity |
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| 12:30.54 | aidan | Odd when on my side the mail client is desperately trying to authenticate |
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| 12:36.07 | Kuto | hey |
| 12:36.11 | Kuto | anyone here |
| 12:36.14 | aidan | yep, the client with the problem is saying it's working now, I'll leave it at that |
| 12:36.30 | aidan | thanks very much for the support wols_ and telexicon! |
| 12:36.30 | tralala | Kuto: I'm here |
| 12:38.49 | Kuto | can you turn on and turn off ide devices? |
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| 12:40.43 | tralala | Kuto: I think hdparm can do this but it's considered dangerous |
| 12:41.39 | Kuto | hmm ok |
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| 12:45.34 | freespace | don't mess with the io mode when a disk is running with hdparam, it corrupts the fs horribly as i found out a few years ago... |
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| 12:51.27 | singeon | sheesh |
| 12:51.42 | singeon | still no luck with my cd rewriter :-/ |
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| 12:52.48 | singeon | mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist |
| 12:53.18 | stew | singeon: do you run udev? devfs? |
| 12:53.34 | tralala | singeon: paste the output of dmes to rafb.net/paste |
| 12:53.40 | singeon | no |
| 12:53.49 | singeon | ok |
| 12:54.10 | stew | singeon: how is your cdrom attached? ide? scsi? sata? |
| 12:54.43 | singeon | ide, i checked all the connections carefully, the switch is set to CS (primary slave?) |
| 12:55.34 | stew | singeon: if its primary slave, then its /dev/hdb, if you want to use /dev/cdrom: "ln -s /dev/hdb /dev/cdrom" |
| 12:55.48 | stew | singeon: "dmesg | grep hdb" should say stuff about your cdrom |
| 12:56.29 | tralala | singeon: CS means cable select |
| 12:56.39 | singeon | http://rafb.net/paste/results/apVhBE84.html |
| 12:56.46 | singeon | output from dmesg |
| 12:56.55 | singeon | oh |
| 12:57.42 | stew | singeon: make sure the ide-cd module is loaded |
| 12:57.43 | singeon | nothing for hdb :-/ |
| 12:57.49 | singeon | ok |
| 12:58.11 | singeon | modprobe ide-cd? |
| 12:58.22 | tralala | yes |
| 12:58.35 | singeon | nothing returned, just command line |
| 12:58.44 | wols_ | "no news is good news" |
| 12:58.47 | singeon | heh |
| 12:59.01 | tralala | singeon: dmesg | tail |
| 12:59.03 | wols_ | singeon: does your BIOS recognize the drive? |
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| 12:59.46 | singeon | when I boot it says detected Sec Master fdisk 1: T100 samsung SM-308 |
| 13:00.03 | Bklyn | ok, I can't install the latest unstable initscripts |
| 13:00.05 | Bklyn | Setting up initscripts (2.86.ds1-30) ... |
| 13:00.05 | Bklyn | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on tmpfs, |
| 13:00.11 | Bklyn | I don't have a tmpfs |
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| 13:00.27 | Bklyn | What would be the fstab entry for one? |
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| 13:00.46 | singeon | I cant access the BIOS :-/ |
| 13:00.56 | singeon | but the cdwriter is definitely being detected by it |
| 13:01.06 | wols_ | singeon: a) why not and b) usually the BIOS shows the drives connection while POSTing |
| 13:01.15 | tralala | singeon: although I think that not being autodetected means it's not properly connected. Perhaps you want to change this jumper to "master" and connect it to ide0 (I can see that you don't have anything connected there) |
| 13:01.17 | wols_ | including the opticals |
| 13:01.51 | singeon | wols_: my workstation keeps reporting "chasis intrusion" I have tried closing up the case, no difference...the microswitch on side must be defective |
| 13:02.13 | singeon | I think maybe its a security measure to deny access to BIOS while theres an intrusion? |
| 13:03.27 | Bklyn | hm, can someone /msg me any/all lines from their /etc/fstab containing "tmpfs"? |
| 13:04.22 | wols_ | blondie: there is no entry for that |
| 13:04.48 | wols_ | Bklyn: |
| 13:04.54 | Fox | wols_: I have one :) |
| 13:04.54 | singeon | tralala: thanks I will try it |
| 13:04.55 | wols_ | what kernel do you use? |
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| 13:05.05 | Fox | 2.6.18 |
| 13:05.06 | Fox | none /dev/shm tmpfs size=660m 0 0 |
| 13:05.13 | wols_ | Fox: I don't |
| 13:05.21 | Bklyn | wols_: me? |
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| 13:05.29 | Fox | I have one but you don't need it |
| 13:05.36 | Bklyn | wols_: 2.6.17.3 |
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| 13:05.49 | Bklyn | Fox: apparently you do if you want the latest unstable initscripts package to install |
| 13:05.52 | wols_ | Bklyn: use a debian kernel then |
| 13:06.07 | Bklyn | wols_: no thanks, I tweak my own |
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| 13:06.13 | Fox | Bklyn: I have it since ages, I'm luchy then ;) |
| 13:06.13 | Bklyn | byut that wouldn't change my /etc/fstab anyway |
| 13:06.14 | wols_ | Bklyn: no. you just need a tmpfs. not the tmpfs line in fstab |
| 13:06.22 | Bklyn | I have the tmpfs module |
| 13:06.25 | Bklyn | its enabled |
| 13:06.27 | Bklyn | I believe |
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| 13:06.41 | Bklyn | yep |
| 13:06.42 | Bklyn | its there |
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| 13:06.46 | Bklyn | I am just not using it |
| 13:06.53 | Bklyn | so the package is still buggy |
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| 13:07.16 | tralala | Bklyn: this is the usual state of sid - broken |
| 13:07.24 | cahoot | Bklyn: look to me it's mounted by mountdevsubfs.sh in /etc/init.d |
| 13:08.16 | Bklyn | perhaps thats part of this package thats failing to install |
| 13:08.29 | Bklyn | I don't reboot very often |
| 13:09.11 | Bklyn | actually that script spits out the error I see when trying to install initsciprts |
| 13:09.50 | wols_ | Bklyn: have you tired to mount tmpfs manually |
| 13:09.51 | wols_ | ? |
| 13:10.10 | cahoot | Bklyn: btw that's an etch system |
| 13:10.23 | Bklyn | yeah, something does appear wrong here |
| 13:10.27 | Bklyn | I can't mount /dev/shm by hand |
| 13:11.31 | tralala | Bklyn: perhpas because of the custom kernel and the fact that tmpfs is not loaded? |
| 13:11.31 | Bklyn | nothing interesting in dmesg output |
| 13:11.31 | Bklyn | well its built into my kernel |
| 13:11.31 | wols_ | Bklyn: then it's not a bug in sid but your kernel I'd say |
| 13:11.31 | Bklyn | according to /proc/filesystems |
| 13:11.37 | herbi | man firefox in unstable is FSCKED |
| 13:11.42 | herbi | lol |
| 13:11.59 | Bklyn | hrm, actually .config in the linux suorce dir says it is not enabled |
| 13:12.05 | Bklyn | but it is listed in /proc/filesystems |
| 13:12.11 | Bklyn | sounds like a bug in the kernel |
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| 13:12.58 | Bklyn | whats the point of /dev/shm anyway? What uses it? |
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| 13:13.09 | wols_ | it's a ramdisk |
| 13:13.10 | Bklyn | does one mmap it instead of using SysV IPC calls? |
| 13:13.16 | tralala | Bklyn: I can notice that /dev/shm is mounted here (sarge) although it's not in fstab so I guess the initrd image is doing it |
| 13:13.59 | Bklyn | I think I'll enable it in this next kernel I build just to get past this error |
| 13:13.59 | Bklyn | the /proc/filesystems vs. kernel config mismatch is puzzling |
| 13:14.34 | macsim | what the Score means on aptitude ? -14 is bad +14 is good ? |
| 13:14.53 | tralala | Bklyn: imho you've got to find better things to do with your free time than (mis)compiling kernels |
| 13:15.12 | Bklyn | tralala: I've been building kernels since you were knee high to a high nee, son |
| 13:15.19 | Bklyn | this is not MY fault |
| 13:15.54 | tralala | Bklyn: that's rather sad given that you still can't do it properly |
| 13:15.59 | Bklyn | oh fuck off |
| 13:16.07 | Bklyn | a bug in the kernel is not my doing |
| 13:16.37 | Bklyn | how should it be possible for there to be a filesystem entry in /proc/filesystems without that filesystem being enabled in the kernel config? |
| 13:16.39 | azeem | Bklyn: /dev/shm is for SysvIPC |
| 13:16.40 | Bklyn | its not my doing |
| 13:16.42 | wols_ | Bklyn: how did you look for the tmpfs option in kernel? |
| 13:16.46 | azeem | or rather SysvSHM |
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| 13:17.36 | Bklyn | wols_: grepped it in my /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 13:18.19 | wols_ | grepped for what? |
| 13:18.22 | Bklyn | TMP |
| 13:18.27 | wols_ | and what did you find? |
| 13:18.48 | Bklyn | that it was not enabled |
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| 13:20.33 | Bklyn | precisely: |
| 13:20.34 | Bklyn | # CONFIG_TMPFS is not set |
| 13:20.38 | Bklyn | was what I had |
| 13:20.45 | wols_ | aj |
| 13:20.47 | wols_ | ah |
| 13:20.50 | Bklyn | but /proc/filesystems lists tmpfs |
| 13:21.22 | Bklyn | I'm now building 2.6.18 w/CONFIG_TMPFS=y |
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| 13:23.43 | Vme | hello, i have a web server that I'm running Debian linux on and for some reason my wireless card keeps disconnecting at random intervals?? Is there a way to setup a cron job or something that will check to make sure its connected and if not reconnect?? |
| 13:24.09 | sep | Vme, webserver on a wireless ????? |
| 13:24.13 | Vme | yea |
| 13:24.14 | Vme | i know |
| 13:24.17 | Vme | its just for my house |
| 13:24.27 | Vme | not business :) |
| 13:24.42 | sep | cable it anyway |
| 13:24.48 | sep | should be easy in your own house |
| 13:25.07 | cahoot | not really what he asked for |
| 13:25.28 | Vme | not really looking to cable it |
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| 13:25.39 | Vme | want to figure out an alternative |
| 13:25.56 | Bklyn | Vme: whatever you do to fix it manually, write those commands in a little shell script and run it from cron every <X> minutes/hours/days |
| 13:26.04 | wols_ | you can use a cronjob of course: just write a script taking appropriate actions |
| 13:26.09 | prsr | so, i'm trying to get a 64 bit kernel going but the one in backports is playing hard to get, it stops booting at pivot_root and tells me it can't find /dev/console either any ideas? |
| 13:26.13 | wols_ | it's just not a good way to "solve" this problem |
| 13:26.23 | Vme | i just do a '/etc/init.d/networking restart' |
| 13:26.29 | wols_ | prsr: are you loading it's initrd too? |
| 13:26.31 | Bklyn | ok, so call that from cron |
| 13:26.36 | cydork | Vme: what about ifplugd? |
| 13:26.36 | Bklyn | every <however often> |
| 13:26.43 | prsr | hmm, i think so wols_ lemme see |
| 13:27.27 | wols_ | or have you built an initrd? |
| 13:27.44 | cydork | Vme: nm |
| 13:28.02 | prsr | wols_, it has an initrd image specified in lilo |
| 13:28.03 | wols_ | Vme: before blindly restarting the network you need to first figure out if the network is up or down |
| 13:28.12 | prsr | the one that came with the backports kernel |
| 13:28.14 | wols_ | prsr: is it the proper initrd? |
| 13:28.16 | Vme | wols_: i agree |
| 13:28.18 | wols_ | ah k |
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| 13:30.01 | prsr | k, i'm waiting to give a link to pastebin, but they are kinda slow :( |
| 13:30.15 | wols_ | !paster |
| 13:30.15 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 13:30.18 | wols_ | this one is fast |
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| 13:31.25 | prsr | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3907 |
| 13:31.37 | onweald_tim | I am installing etch using debootstrap. Root is on /dev/sda3, everything else are on logical volumes. |
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| 13:31.39 | onweald_tim | Root gets mounted when I boot but none of the logical volumes are mounted. /dev/ contains no hd/sd devices. |
| 13:31.50 | onweald_tim | Also, /dev contains no volume groups |
| 13:32.11 | onweald_tim | This kernel was compiled so I figure I am missing something. |
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| 13:32.34 | wols_ | onweald_tim: you were using udev before and not anymore perhaps? |
| 13:32.44 | prsr | the initrd referenced in the paste exists too btw... |
| 13:33.16 | onweald_tim | I believe I am using udev now. I did install the package. How can I tell if it is running? ps -a doesn't list anything that looks like it. |
| 13:33.34 | onweald_tim | lsmod shows nothing loaded |
| 13:34.13 | tralala | onweald_tim: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 13:35.06 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 13:35.10 | onweald_tim | tralala: ro console=tty0 max_loop=128 noapic acpi=off |
| 13:35.15 | lkthomas | how could I know if kernel are using dual core resource ? |
| 13:35.29 | tralala | onweald_tim: no root=/dev/sda3? |
| 13:35.40 | wols_ | lkthomas: cat /proc/cpuinfo. if 2 cpus are listed it'S dualcore |
| 13:35.47 | wols_ | lkthomas: just install a smp kernel |
| 13:35.54 | onweald_tim | Ooops... typo... yes: root=/dev/sda3 at the start of it. |
| 13:35.56 | cydork | lkthomas: even top can tell you |
| 13:36.02 | abrotman | it won't show them both if you odn't have the smp |
| 13:36.45 | lkthomas | LOL |
| 13:36.47 | tralala | onweald_tim: paste the output of cat /etc/fstab; df to rafb.net/paste |
| 13:36.48 | lkthomas | processor = 0 |
| 13:36.56 | lkthomas | does it means that it is using signal core only ? |
| 13:37.21 | wols_ | lkthomas: depends on your kernel. I told you to use a SMP kernel |
| 13:37.23 | cydork | lkthomas: which kernel are you using? |
| 13:37.25 | tralala | lkthomas: do you have a dual-core cpu or not? |
| 13:37.29 | lkthomas | I do |
| 13:37.35 | lkthomas | cydork: default install kernel :) |
| 13:37.35 | tralala | then install -smp kernel |
| 13:37.38 | wols_ | you have to install one if you still use the kernel you installed from the install CD |
| 13:37.42 | lkthomas | yep, ok |
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| 13:37.53 | wols_ | lkthomas: and install the proper one for your architecture |
| 13:37.53 | cydork | lkthomas: install smp or if you are on etch install 2.6.17 |
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| 13:38.01 | wols_ | K8 or 686 or whatever |
| 13:38.07 | lkthomas | :) |
| 13:38.10 | lkthomas | ok |
| 13:38.23 | lkthomas | wols_: I realize that forcedeth default install version might be outdated |
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| 13:38.44 | wols_ | lkthomas: I asked you a gazillion times about your kernel version, but you never answered |
| 13:38.59 | lkthomas | wols_: I don't really know |
| 13:39.05 | lkthomas | wols_: I told you 5times already |
| 13:39.25 | wols_ | if you can't provide enough info, we can't help you. sinple as that |
| 13:39.26 | tralala | lkthomas: cat /proc/version |
| 13:39.49 | onweald_tim | tralala: fstab here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/3hAxD924.html |
| 13:40.16 | wols_ | or uname -a |
| 13:40.23 | onweald_tim | tralala: Since I cannot mount /dev/sda2, I assume that it doesn't matter what I put in fstab. |
| 13:41.36 | prsr | wols_ any other ideas besides initrd ? |
| 13:41.45 | onweald_tim | tralala: Of course... maybe the proc, sysfs or devpts mean something I am not aware of. :-) |
| 13:41.55 | prsr | i just threw udev on the machine, didn't help much :( |
| 13:41.59 | wols_ | prsr: not really. pivot_root is a initrd operation, that's why |
| 13:41.59 | tralala | onweald_tim: which one is mainboot? I suspect it is sda3 which means that you're passing wrong root to the kernel. |
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| 13:43.21 | onweald_tim | tralala: It is sda3... should I switch "label=mainroot" to /dev/sda3 in fstab? Or can I change the kernel parameter to root=LABEL=mainroot? |
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| 13:44.02 | Ox0F0-0FF | may anyone please try to telnet 201.38.238.66 port 25 and tell me if it connects please ? |
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| 13:44.19 | tralala | onweald_tim: find out the actual device with label mainroot and use it as a root parameter |
| 13:44.28 | Maulkin | Ox0F0-0FF: nope |
| 13:44.34 | Ox0F0-0FF | thanks |
| 13:45.04 | onweald_tim | tralala: Device is /dev/sda3. So use that for the root parameter and in fstab? |
| 13:45.04 | Ox0F0-0FF | Thanks Maulkin |
| 13:46.05 | tralala | onweald_tim: you can't have sda3 with two labels. Check again what's mainroot and what's mainboot |
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| 13:47.00 | onweald_tim | tralala: Shite. I need to rename mainboot. I thought you typed mainRoot. Sorry about that. <crap> |
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| 13:47.17 | onweald_tim | tralala: mainboot is /dev/sda1, mainroot is /dev/sda3 |
| 13:47.34 | onweald_tim | emergencydeb is /dev/sda2 (emergency backup debian install) |
| 13:48.06 | onweald_tim | tralala: Apologies for that. |
| 13:48.38 | tralala | onweald_tim: okay, do you have initrd image? |
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| 13:49.04 | onweald_tim | tralala: No, I compiled everything into the kernel. That is my hope at least. :-) |
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| 13:50.12 | onweald_tim | tralala: The main symptoms: I compiled the kernel, no drives in /dev, root gets mounted but no other partitions, mount won't mount /dev/sda2 |
| 13:50.21 | tralala | onweald_tim: I have my doubts about the benefits of self-compiled kernels but that aside you should add an apropriate /dev line in fstab in this case |
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| 13:51.08 | onweald_tim | tralala: I'm not sure what line in fstab would be required. Does udev require a line in fstab? |
| 13:51.38 | tralala | it requires dev to be mounted as devfs or something |
| 13:52.04 | tralala | I'm not exactly sure what because my initrd image is doing it for me so I don't have to bother |
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| 13:53.37 | onweald_tim | tralala: googling... |
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| 13:58.09 | singeon | :-/ |
| 13:58.38 | cydork | !:( |
| 13:58.39 | dpkg | awwwww, whats the matter?? |
| 13:58.57 | singeon | 3 hrs and no cdrom drive support still |
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| 13:59.22 | cydork | singeon: with etch? sata cdrom? |
| 13:59.47 | singeon | even tried putting the original cdrom drive back in and even that doesnt work anymore (worked earlier before I decided to replace it with cdrw) |
| 14:00.05 | singeon | cydork: with stable & ide cdrom |
| 14:00.23 | tralala | singeon: did you put the switch to master? |
| 14:00.54 | singeon | tralala: did yes, but it didnt work..the bios no longer detected it |
| 14:01.14 | singeon | I noticed in dmesg theres a warning "ide_detect" not found/loaded |
| 14:01.20 | cydork | singeon: if bios doesn't detect it, i dont think we can help you |
| 14:01.41 | lkthomas | LOL |
| 14:01.43 | singeon | cydork: I have switched back to CS and bios now detects the cdrom |
| 14:01.43 | lkthomas | funny |
| 14:01.51 | lkthomas | after compile and install my own kernel |
| 14:02.02 | lkthomas | I can't boot up as kernel said root=hda1 can not found |
| 14:02.18 | lkthomas | what option did I miss to select ? |
| 14:02.19 | tralala | lkthomas: why don't you try /dev/hda1 instead |
| 14:02.24 | jzu_ | Hmm |
| 14:02.25 | singeon | who would of thought it would be so much hassle to change over a cd drive |
| 14:02.29 | onweald_tim | tralala: Okay, I think I found the problem. My /lib/modules is missing my kernel's modules. They must not have gotten copied over. |
| 14:02.38 | onweald_tim | tralala: I'll continue to look. Thanks for the help. |
| 14:02.39 | jzu_ | is it okay to remove exim4* using --force-depends? |
| 14:02.45 | lkthomas | tralala: hold on, let me check |
| 14:02.48 | tralala | onweald_tim: you're welcome |
| 14:02.53 | jzu_ | does it brake something? |
| 14:03.12 | jzu_ | it does remove /etc/init.d/exim etc etd.. |
| 14:03.16 | jzu_ | or ? |
| 14:03.29 | lkthomas | tralala: I did use root=/dev/hda1 |
| 14:03.39 | lkthomas | tralala: I remember that I have to select some option to turn it on |
| 14:04.00 | Braindead | jzu_: why do you wanna remove exim with an axe? just install another,lighter,mta like nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 14:04.15 | jzu_ | Braindead: I dont need it all |
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| 14:04.21 | jzu_ | atleast not at the moment |
| 14:04.26 | tralala | lkthomas: you need to ask a kernel compiling expert. There was one around here not long ago although his kernel wasn't working either... |
| 14:04.35 | roby | I can't find ls flag to display number of hard links to a file? |
| 14:04.41 | Braindead | jzu_: your system needs a MTA. cron at least. a mta is required by POSIX standards |
| 14:04.41 | petemc | jzu_: debian needs something to provide mail-transport-agent |
| 14:04.41 | jzu_ | Braindead: How I can stop being started with debian during oot? |
| 14:04.44 | jzu_ | *boot |
| 14:04.46 | singeon | could this be the cause of my cd drive woes: |
| 14:04.48 | singeon | kayak:/home/paul# modprobe ide |
| 14:04.48 | singeon | FATAL: Module ide not found. |
| 14:04.58 | jzu_ | Braindead: Ok |
| 14:05.11 | jzu_ | can I just shut it down? |
| 14:05.14 | cydork | singeon: it is ide_cd |
| 14:05.24 | jzu_ | I dont want smtp port to be open |
| 14:05.28 | Braindead | jzu_: which part of "install nullmailer or ssmtp or FOO" isn't clear? |
| 14:05.39 | singeon | cydork: what should that do? when I try it, nothing is shown just returns to a new command line |
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| 14:06.02 | abrotman | singeon: which means it worked |
| 14:06.07 | singeon | oh |
| 14:06.21 | clsoX | hi |
| 14:06.21 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 14:06.23 | jzu_ | Braindead: got it :) |
| 14:07.17 | singeon | is it possible that, in order to get system to work with the cd drive, it requires intervention/setting up the BIOS? |
| 14:07.22 | clsoX | anybody can help me with an audio driver_ |
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| 14:08.01 | tralala | clsoX: /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
| 14:08.18 | clsoX | tralala, when i install alsa |
| 14:08.35 | clsoX | in boot get freeze the system charge :s |
| 14:09.00 | singeon | does this sound ok? BIOS reported: Autodetected - Sec Master CDROM/DVD |
| 14:09.00 | tralala | clsoX: what would that system be? |
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| 14:09.29 | clsoX | the kernel i mean... |
| 14:10.35 | singeon | cdrom drive isnt working anymore :-/ |
| 14:10.51 | tralala | clsoX: so what would that kernel be? |
| 14:11.10 | clsoX | Linux minvelst 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Tue Aug 16 13:22:48 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:11.15 | junix | i seem to be having a didsplay issue with my nvidia card and the latest Xorg, could someone help, nothign is being drawn correctly. |
| 14:11.39 | singeon | what modules are needed to be loaded for cd drive operation? |
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| 14:11.54 | d0uglas | how can i force an upgrade with apt? |
| 14:11.57 | clsoX | Multimedia audio controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2200 [MagicMedia 256AV Audio] |
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| 14:12.43 | clsoX | booting it gets freeze in nm256 lline tralala |
| 14:12.53 | singeon | hi |
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| 14:13.11 | clsoX | hi singeon |
| 14:13.36 | singeon | :-/ |
| 14:13.47 | tralala | clsoX: hmm, can you try with 2.6.16 or .17 from backports.org? |
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| 14:14.22 | clsoX | i think it is not the problem |
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| 14:15.19 | tralala | I'm out of ideas then. Alsa has always worked fine with me and has never caused my kernel to freeze. |
| 14:15.20 | clsoX | its of this chip audio, is very old |
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| 14:16.18 | abrotman | lspci .. show us what it is |
| 14:16.26 | clsoX | tralala, you know a good manual to uninstall and install drivers? something easy and general? |
| 14:16.30 | clsoX | Multimedia audio controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2200 [MagicMedia 256AV Audio] |
| 14:16.30 | abrotman | d0uglas: force an upgrade of what? |
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| 14:16.56 | d0uglas | gaim |
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| 14:17.03 | abrotman | why won't it upgrade? |
| 14:17.29 | d0uglas | apt just lists it in the packages it has kept back |
| 14:17.34 | clsoX | i am trying with 3 or 3 drivers i found in the net but its readmes dont help me |
| 14:18.06 | tralala | clsoX: does alsaconf detect it? |
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| 14:18.16 | clsoX | yes |
| 14:18.22 | clsoX | it runs at first |
| 14:18.27 | abrotman | d0uglas: apt-get install gaim |
| 14:18.35 | clsoX | but when i boot next time get frozen |
| 14:18.37 | tralala | clsoX: do you have sound after that? |
| 14:18.46 | clsoX | yes tralala |
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| 14:19.06 | d0uglas | thanks abrotman |
| 14:19.09 | tralala | clsoX: can you make sure that no oss drivers are loaded on boot? |
| 14:19.14 | abrotman | !tell d0uglas about held back |
| 14:19.23 | clsoX | oss drivers? |
| 14:19.41 | clsoX | i have installed manualy one for the pcmcia |
| 14:19.48 | clsoX | nothing more |
| 14:20.21 | tralala | clsoX: what do you mean manually? OSS is an older sound system that might interfere with alsa |
| 14:20.41 | clsoX | sorry i didnt understood |
| 14:20.52 | singeon | I'm so fucked off. my kernel-image didnt compile drivers for cdrom |
| 14:21.02 | clsoX | mm how can i see if is it? |
| 14:21.29 | tralala | clsoX: how exactly did you install those pcmcia drivers? |
| 14:21.46 | clsoX | one sec i show you how |
| 14:22.23 | abrotman | wtf kernel doesn't have CD drivers? |
| 14:22.40 | clsoX | http://minvelst.dyndns.org/documentacion/doc_debian_sarge/troublesolved_sarge/c54rc_drivers_cls/c54rc_drivers_cls.htm |
| 14:22.55 | clsoX | tralala, its in spanish but command lines are in english :D |
| 14:23.15 | abrotman | ralink isn't a sound card |
| 14:23.16 | clsoX | lol |
| 14:23.25 | clsoX | abrotman, i know |
| 14:23.40 | clsoX | abrotman, tralala clsoX: how exactly did you install those pcmcia drivers? |
| 14:23.56 | abrotman | i didn't |
| 14:24.02 | clsoX | :) |
| 14:24.22 | tralala | clsoX: okay, I don't think they are causing any trouble |
| 14:24.53 | clsoX | maybe are this oss you commented |
| 14:25.09 | clsoX | can i check it? |
| 14:25.14 | tralala | clsoX: give me the pciid of your sound card |
| 14:25.20 | abrotman | hwich kernel is he using ? |
| 14:25.26 | tralala | 2.6.8-2 |
| 14:25.51 | clsoX | this ? 0000:00:08.1 |
| 14:25.54 | abrotman | why not -3 |
| 14:26.02 | abrotman | guess it really doesn't matter at this point |
| 14:26.08 | clsoX | i think not lol... |
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| 14:26.31 | clsoX | which command is it...? |
| 14:26.52 | saad3000 | hello. ./autogen.sh: line 8: aclocal: command not found what do I need? |
| 14:27.02 | clsoX | hi saad3000 |
| 14:27.03 | abrotman | build-essential |
| 14:27.14 | tralala | clsoX: lspci -n -s 00:1f.5 |
| 14:27.14 | saad3000 | hy clsoX . |
| 14:27.15 | tralala | 0000:00:1f.5 0401: 8086:24c5 (rev 01) |
| 14:27.17 | saad3000 | kthanx |
| 14:27.28 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 14:27.28 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 14:27.30 | tralala | this is the pciid ^^^^^^ |
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| 14:28.02 | abrotman | 808624c5YesIntel Corporation82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC97 Audio Controller97 Audio Controllersnd-intel8x0,i810_audio |
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| 14:28.18 | clsoX | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.31 | abrotman | oh .. that was his .. not his! |
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| 14:29.28 | clsoX | i get lost |
| 14:30.09 | clsoX | now |
| 14:30.16 | clsoX | i see in this site tralala |
| 14:30.34 | AnyFile | For a net-install shall I use the 180 MB cited in http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ or is there a way to download the full 1st CD? |
| 14:30.41 | clsoX | the driver is in the kernel modules but fail |
| 14:30.48 | tralala | clsoX: this is the oss driver: nm256_audio. Make sure it's blacklisted, configure alsa and restart |
| 14:31.16 | clsoX | sorry blacklisted? you mean old |
| 14:31.44 | clsoX | ? |
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| 14:31.58 | abrotman | AnyFile: if you have broadband .. the netinst is better |
| 14:32.03 | abrotman | in most cases |
| 14:32.36 | tralala | clsoX: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 14:32.44 | tralala | I've got to go now. Good luck. |
| 14:33.49 | clsoX | thx tralala :D |
| 14:34.02 | AnyFile | and do you know an update mirror in Europe (from where to do the netinst)? All mirror in Italy are very out of date! |
| 14:34.25 | cydork | AnyFile: i dont think so. |
| 14:35.11 | cydork | AnyFile: i mean i dont think they are very out of date! |
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| 14:35.13 | lkthomas | hmm |
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| 14:35.29 | abrotman | !tell AnyFile about mirrors |
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| 14:36.23 | lkthomas | wols_: you there ? |
| 14:36.41 | saad3000 | I installed build-essential and yet I still have this error: ./autogen.sh: line 8: aclocal: command not found |
| 14:36.54 | lkthomas | after compile new kernel |
| 14:36.57 | lkthomas | my NIC finally appear |
| 14:37.15 | lkthomas | but I would like to know why it can't ping WAN address |
| 14:37.24 | eyeris | I ran dist-upgrade about a week ago. Afterward, fonts in most programs failed to appear. Someone here suggested a command to delete /etc/fonts and then reinstall fontconfig with a fresh config set. That worked for my user, but the other user on this computer still suffers from the same problem. Furthermore, some fonts fail to appear on websites, no matter which browser I use. Any ideas what to try next? |
| 14:37.24 | lkthomas | it could ping internal LAN address |
| 14:37.36 | abrotman | bad route? |
| 14:37.43 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 14:37.49 | abrotman | bad netmask ? |
| 14:37.57 | lkthomas | YEAH! |
| 14:37.59 | lkthomas | bad netmask |
| 14:38.01 | lkthomas | didn't notice it |
| 14:38.02 | lkthomas | thanks man |
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| 14:38.27 | abrotman | !prize me |
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| 14:39.02 | lkthomas | OH NO |
| 14:39.03 | lkthomas | wait |
| 14:39.04 | AnyFile | I was looking at the debian-cd directory (from http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ ) and they were actually out of date (somewhere the 3.1_r0a/ is the most uptodate), but the debian directory seems update |
| 14:39.06 | lkthomas | netmask should be correct |
| 14:39.19 | lkthomas | abrotman: is that possible to set gateway ? how ? |
| 14:39.33 | abrotman | lkthomas: man 5 interfaces |
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| 14:41.56 | cydork | saad3000: check if you have automake installed |
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| 14:42.55 | singeon | w0000t! I solved my cdrom prob, kinda. |
| 14:43.02 | AnyFile | Is there a way to get a MD5 checksum (or a signuture) to be sure to have download correctly the netinst cd image? |
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| 14:43.33 | cydork | singeon: kinda? |
| 14:43.51 | singeon | cydork: it's working fine now, the new cdrw, but under 2.4 kernel heh |
| 14:44.06 | singeon | i dont have any modules built/installed under 2.6 kernel it seems |
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| 14:44.33 | cydork | signuts: that's weird! |
| 14:44.33 | singeon | is it ok to continue using 2.4 kernel? |
| 14:44.40 | Mr_Molez | hi does anyone know what package provides libdpstk.so.1 ? |
| 14:44.41 | eyeris | singeon, Linux kernels past a certain version (2.6.7, I think) require cdrecord to be run as root. |
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| 14:44.57 | singeon | cydork: yes, I used kernel-image tho for 2.6 upgrade |
| 14:45.33 | cydork | !tell Mr_Molez about search |
| 14:45.57 | singeon | would I need to compile my own kernel from source to get a 2.6 kernel with ide cd modules built in? |
| 14:46.05 | singeon | or is there a workaround? |
| 14:46.18 | cydork | singeon: if you use a debian stock kernel that module should be there. |
| 14:46.36 | singeon | cydork: I dont understand it then, I used a stock kernel and its not there :-/ |
| 14:46.58 | Mr_Molez | cydork: thnx |
| 14:47.31 | singeon | cat /proc/devices shows no ide, just fd and hdd (under 2.6) |
| 14:47.50 | cydork | singeon: and lsmod shows ide_cd ? |
| 14:48.11 | singeon | cydork: i didnt try that, but modprobe was ok on it |
| 14:48.15 | abrotman | AnyFile: there are MD5 files in the direrctory where you downloaded it from .. do oyu need md5 for win32? |
| 14:48.16 | eyeris | singeon, run this: cat /boot/config-`uname -r`| grep IDE and see if it is =y |
| 14:48.22 | singeon | ok |
| 14:48.30 | singeon | i will need to reboot into 2.6 |
| 14:48.33 | AnyFile | I have already a very old linux system |
| 14:48.35 | singeon | running on 2.4 now |
| 14:48.51 | abrotman | AnyFile: it hsuld still have md5 |
| 14:49.20 | singeon | brb |
| 14:49.30 | disasm | how can I build a custom nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common package? |
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| 14:49.46 | cydork | disasm: why? :P |
| 14:50.07 | disasm | cydork: running 2.6.18 kernel ;-) |
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| 14:50.40 | disasm | cydork: i need 8774 for it to compile right, from what I've been reading on-line |
| 14:51.58 | cydork | disasm: i really dont know how to do that. :P |
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| 14:52.45 | disasm | cydork: ok |
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| 14:53.34 | cydork | disasm: i use nv :) |
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| 14:53.55 | disasm | cydork: yeah, that's what this computer is using currently ;-) |
| 14:53.57 | wols_ | disasm: 2 way either if you use the nvidia installer with your version (not recommended by the channel but possible) |
| 14:54.30 | wols_ | or you get nvidia packages source and change their version strings/urls for the drivers they fetch from nvidia.com and make them packages again which you install |
| 14:54.30 | cydork | wols_: he wants to build a custom nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common |
| 14:54.56 | singeon | im back |
| 14:55.01 | disasm | wols_: i got the nvidia source package built into a deb, problem is it's not compatible with nvidia-glx in sarge |
| 14:55.12 | singeon | I have NO ENTRY for IDE/ide in my kernel config :-| |
| 14:55.13 | cydork | singeon: so what's status |
| 14:55.22 | wols_ | disasm: then get the nvidia-glx source too |
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| 14:55.40 | wols_ | singeon: use a debian kernel. or compile a new kernel |
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| 14:56.11 | singeon | I made an error :-/ |
| 14:56.29 | AnyFile | Is it better to make an installation with the 2.4 or with the 2.6 ? |
| 14:56.30 | singeon | CONFIG_IDE=m |
| 14:56.42 | wols_ | AnyFile: 2.6 imho |
| 14:57.03 | singeon | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=m |
| 14:57.04 | disasm | wols_: I can't find an nvidia-glx source deb based on 8774 ;-) |
| 14:57.13 | wols_ | disasm: there is NONE |
| 14:57.20 | wols_ | disasm: I told you you need to edit that source |
| 14:57.33 | disasm | anyways, off to class, I'll mess with it later today ;-) |
| 14:57.33 | singeon | CONFIG_CD_NO_IDESCSI=y |
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| 14:57.50 | singeon | CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y |
| 14:57.55 | cydork | singeon: then it should work |
| 14:57.59 | singeon | oh |
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| 14:58.03 | singeon | how strange eh? |
| 14:58.04 | wols_ | singeon: stop that fucking paste already |
| 14:59.13 | singeon | if I edit the config for the kernel that will apply changes when I reboot? |
| 14:59.17 | wols_ | singeon: have you modrpobed first ide then ide_cd? |
| 14:59.30 | wols_ | singeon: no. are you using a debian kernel= |
| 14:59.32 | wols_ | ? |
| 14:59.47 | singeon | wols_ I did do modprobe ide and modprobe ide_cd, nothing happened just returned a new command line |
| 14:59.58 | cydork | singeon: that's fine |
| 15:00.02 | wols_ | singeon: did your dmesg output change? |
| 15:00.13 | singeon | wols_ 2.6.8.3 stable stock kernel |
| 15:00.13 | wols_ | and that "nothing happened" is the intended outcome there |
| 15:00.26 | singeon | ok |
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| 15:00.49 | AnyFile | thanks all |
| 15:00.51 | singeon | wols_ no change, still getting "ide_detect" not found/not loaded FATAL error |
| 15:01.17 | singeon | I noticed that doesnt appear on 2.4 kernel boot |
| 15:01.48 | singeon | maybe I should compare the 2.4 config and the 2.6 config and make adjustments to 2.6? |
| 15:02.22 | singeon | or perhaps I should forget 2.6 and continue using 2.4? |
| 15:02.23 | cydork | singeon: config file is there for referance or if you want to compile a new kernel. |
| 15:02.24 | abrotman | what kind of CD is this ? |
| 15:02.30 | singeon | oh i see |
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| 15:02.45 | singeon | abrotman: a standard ide cdrom drive |
| 15:03.00 | singeon | make is mitsumi |
| 15:03.09 | Sirius_Black | can someone point me to a nvidia debian howto please - i use unstable |
| 15:03.22 | Maulkin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.25 | Sirius_Black | cheers |
| 15:03.26 | cydork | !tell Sirius_Black about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:03.30 | singeon | it works fine in the 2.4 kernel I got from my cd installation, thats what I dont get |
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| 15:04.44 | abrotman | singeon: what is the error ? |
| 15:05.35 | singeon | abrotman: the only error I have noticed on dmesg is "ide_detect" not found |
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| 15:06.04 | abrotman | singeon: boot the 2.6 kernel .. and paste the contents of dmesg somewhere |
| 15:06.16 | singeon | ok im in 2.6 now |
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| 15:09.34 | singeon | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3908 |
| 15:09.42 | singeon | dmesg |
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| 15:10.38 | S4nD3r | I was looking for new version of gaim to debian, but I didnt find |
| 15:10.41 | singeon | strangely the msg I saw on the boot screen re ide_detect does not appear in dmesg |
| 15:10.44 | S4nD3r | I will install the source !!!!! |
| 15:10.48 | S4nD3r | see you |
| 15:11.00 | znr | hi |
| 15:11.06 | znr | problem: |
| 15:11.08 | znr | Cannot load /etc/apache2/modules/libphp4.so into server: /etc/apache2/modules/libphp4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:11.37 | abrotman | did you install libapache2-mod-php4 ? |
| 15:11.41 | znr | ive installed all packages for php4 |
| 15:11.56 | znr | ill check |
| 15:12.06 | singeon | abrotman can you make any sense of it? |
| 15:12.18 | abrotman | singeon: if you modprobe ide-cd .. what does it say ? |
| 15:12.28 | Sirius_Black | it's been a while since I last had to install debian on a new machine. if download etch CD, will I be able to install unstable? |
| 15:12.42 | singeon | abrotman: nothing |
| 15:13.05 | Ronin | Sirius_Black: yep if your that daring |
| 15:13.06 | cydork | Sirius_Black: you can upgrade to unstable. on your own risk of cource :) |
| 15:13.11 | Sirius_Black | Ronin: cheers mate. been using unstable for the last 3 yrs me :-) |
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| 15:14.03 | cydork | singeon: paste the output of lsmod|grep ide |
| 15:14.10 | singeon | ok |
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| 15:15.06 | abrotman | singeon: run dmesg again .. see anything at the bottom ? |
| 15:15.34 | znr | abrotman, I thank you with my life |
| 15:15.39 | znr | :-P |
| 15:16.14 | singeon | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3909 |
| 15:16.26 | abrotman | znr: ? |
| 15:16.35 | abrotman | znr: oh .. you're welcome :) |
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| 15:16.37 | singeon | abrotman: yes, cmpci: write: chip lockup? dmasz 65536 fragsz 1024 count -704 hwptr 51200 swptr 50496 |
| 15:16.38 | cydork | singeon: check what abrotman said |
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| 15:16.56 | Bhavesh | i upgraded to unstable last night.. day before |
| 15:16.59 | Bhavesh | and it seems to be ok so far |
| 15:17.12 | abrotman | not again! |
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| 15:17.18 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:17.19 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 15:18.25 | Bhavesh | brb |
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| 15:19.01 | blondie | CHEESE |
| 15:19.16 | singeon | I really dont like this 2.6 kernel |
| 15:19.20 | singeon | even my soundcard isnt right |
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| 15:21.12 | singeon | dont like this |
| 15:22.00 | singeon | I may have to accept the fact im destined to remain on 2.4 kernel |
| 15:22.31 | cydork | signuts: frankly i dont see anything wrong with the module. what happens when you try to access cdrom? |
| 15:22.46 | abrotman | singeon: in dmesg .. anything about the CD ? |
| 15:23.14 | singeon | cydork: it says, mount special device /dev/hdc does not exist |
| 15:23.26 | singeon | nothing |
| 15:24.03 | singeon | is it so bad to run 2.4 kernel anyways? |
| 15:24.08 | singeon | I'm behind a firewall eh |
| 15:24.15 | singeon | no services running here |
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| 15:25.31 | singeon | fuk it |
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| 15:30.32 | singeon | guys |
| 15:30.40 | singeon | am i endangered if i continue to run 2.4? |
| 15:30.47 | petemc | no |
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| 15:31.15 | singeon | cool |
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| 15:31.41 | singeon | just archiac? |
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| 15:33.01 | h3sp4wn | arguably more stable |
| 15:33.17 | singeon | 2.4 is more stable? |
| 15:33.32 | Ronin | wouldnt call 2.6 unstable |
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| 15:34.29 | h3sp4wn | neither would I but it depends on what you need - there are far less sweeping changes to 2.4 |
| 15:34.30 | factorx | hi |
| 15:34.46 | prsr | 2.6 is just better for performance, although you can get a lot with 2.4 backports now too |
| 15:35.03 | exobyte | I'm setting up a dhcp server. I want to have machines with mac addresses in dhcpd.conf to get one range of IP addresses, other machines to get another range. How can I do this? |
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| 15:35.08 | Storker | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 15:35.15 | Storker | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.22 | Storker | any ideas :( ? |
| 15:35.30 | singeon | well thanks for all your help guys, I dont think we can resolve this one. I will continue using 2.4 |
| 15:36.31 | petemc | exobyte: check the documentation for your dhcpd |
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| 15:36.59 | Storker | help someone. |
| 15:37.15 | exobyte | petemc: I did man dhcpd.conf (I'm using isc-dhcp) |
| 15:37.25 | exobyte | petemc: some things aren't explained well |
| 15:37.47 | petemc | im using dhcpd3 and have it divided into many subnets |
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| 15:38.33 | dye_ | hi i have just one small question how to install links with ssl/tls support via apt-get ? |
| 15:38.46 | wols_ | orafu: use another dhcp server with different docs then |
| 15:39.01 | exobyte | petemc: I know how to do that, I just don't know how to tell it that one subnet is only for a list of mac addresses |
| 15:39.03 | Braindead | dye_: links-ssl is the package name |
| 15:39.12 | dye_ | thx :) |
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| 15:39.44 | junix | i seem to be having a didsplay issue with my nvidia card and the latest Xorg, could someone help, nothign is being drawn correctly. |
| 15:40.28 | petemc | exobyte: hardware ethernet <mac address> \n fixed-address <ipaddr> |
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| 15:41.46 | exobyte | petemc: here's the thing: I want to have the ip address come from a pool, not manually assigned |
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| 15:42.13 | petemc | time to do some more reading then i guess |
| 15:42.22 | Storker | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 15:42.23 | Storker | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.25 | boeff | Hello, I did set a domainname while installing my PC (I installed Sarge) but the domainname is overwritten (at least I think so) while booting my PC (it gets its network address from a Netgear router with a DHCP server in it). How can I set the domainname while getting the network address from the router, please? |
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| 15:48.33 | kps | any idea why fonts don't render in all places in gnome (and firefox) in unstable? |
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| 15:50.17 | boeff | While the installation I did set the domainname to "localnet.net" but the "hostname" command shows "localdomain" now. I am using dhclient with the default dhclient.conf to get the network address of my PC from my router. How can I set the domain to "localnet.net" ? |
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| 15:51.17 | h3sp4wn | boeff: the dhcp server should provide it |
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| 15:51.33 | dpro | hi .. I just did an upgrade that installed xorg 7.1.1 and now /usr/X11R6/lib is missing the modules directory ... any hints ? |
| 15:51.42 | wols_ | boeff: set /etc/hostname to immutable perhaps |
| 15:51.45 | cydork | boeff: check /etc/dhclient.conf dont request hostname |
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| 15:52.28 | dpro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:52.47 | dpro | oops sorry pasted a ' ' ;) |
| 15:53.49 | kps | dpro: /usr/lib/xorg/modules might be what you are looking for? |
| 15:54.07 | boeff | h3sp4wn, wols_ , cydork Thank you. |
| 15:55.19 | dpro | kps: cheers ... apt could have told me though ;) |
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| 15:56.33 | ag` | How do I remove a package without everything that depends on it? |
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| 15:57.19 | wols_ | ag`: that's usually a bad idea |
| 15:57.23 | cydork | ag`: believe me you dont wanna do that |
| 15:57.26 | wols_ | you can do it with dpkg and forcing it |
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| 15:57.57 | ag` | cydork: wols_, I know, but it is because there is a custom install package there, and I need to replace it with the one from the repo |
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| 15:58.18 | wols_ | ag`: dpkg --force-help |
| 15:58.44 | jelly | ag`: if your custom package has decent installation scripts, you can just do apt-get install package=version-from-the-repo |
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| 15:59.31 | ag` | jelly, I'll try that |
| 15:59.57 | hackmiker | hi how do i install java? |
| 15:59.58 | Blastur | which of the free java jvms is the closest to Sun JVM in functionality/support? (jamvm, gij, sablevm)? |
| 16:00.11 | cydork | !install java |
| 16:00.12 | dpkg | [install java] First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using unstable. |
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| 16:00.29 | jelly | ag`: "apt-cache policy package" to see all the available versions. |
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| 16:01.00 | hackmiker | :) |
| 16:01.40 | jzu_ | Can I close smtp incoming/outcoming port, and how? |
| 16:01.42 | jzu_ | I'm running exim4 |
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| 16:02.03 | jzu_ | I don't smtp to be open inside or outside, I dont need to offer SMTP to the outer world |
| 16:02.15 | jzu_ | +want |
| 16:02.26 | Braindead | jzu_: INSTALL NULLMAILER FFS |
| 16:02.27 | petemc | jzu_: tell it to listen on localhost only |
| 16:02.31 | Braindead | I already told you that |
| 16:02.39 | jzu_ | Braindead: ok :> |
| 16:02.40 | Braindead | at least 3 times |
| 16:02.49 | jzu_ | Braindead: yeah ;) |
| 16:03.00 | Braindead | so do it,will ya? |
| 16:03.01 | jelly | Does nullmailer get the local mail delivered? |
| 16:03.23 | Braindead | that's his job |
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| 16:03.52 | jelly | I mean, mail from a local user to another local user. |
| 16:03.53 | jzu_ | is exim4 turned off by default when I apt-get install nullmailer? |
| 16:04.02 | Braindead | the "null" part is kinda misleading |
| 16:04.17 | petemc | jzu_: one should remove the other, yes |
| 16:04.26 | Braindead | jzu_: just do it. at least try with -s : aptitude -s install nullmailer |
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| 16:04.54 | grendelson | Bash question - I am using a for i in `ls *.file` ; do foo; done -- However the files have spaces taht seem to be messing up the do foo. How can I pass filenames with spaces? I'm assumign some form of '' or "" or the like but can't get syntax right... |
| 16:04.55 | _Lisa_ | Digg: http://digg.com/tech_news/Pagerank_update_now_Visible |
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| 16:05.57 | sparr | How can I change the on-disk (in the FAT, i guess) order of files? |
| 16:06.12 | Braindead | grendelson: foo "$i" |
| 16:06.50 | wols_ | sparr: defraggers do this usually |
| 16:06.59 | grendelson | Braindead, Sure I tried that but I'll give it another whirl - I thought it was keeping $ as actual $ instead of as a variable |
| 16:07.00 | jzu_ | Braindead: did you knew that foo and bar originated from finland, haha |
| 16:07.08 | Braindead | jzu_: perkele! |
| 16:07.25 | jzu_ | Braindead: haha :D |
| 16:07.47 | cydork | Braindead: perkele? |
| 16:07.59 | abrotman | htf is that a Debian question? |
| 16:08.06 | DiamonD | Hi |
| 16:08.10 | DiamonD | i have a problem |
| 16:08.18 | Braindead | cydork: http://www.notam02.no/~hcholm/altlang/ht/Finnish.html |
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| 16:08.28 | DiamonD | when i login with putty on my debian server it keep saying that i must change my password |
| 16:08.32 | DiamonD | how can i get it off |
| 16:08.42 | DiamonD | i don't want to change my password |
| 16:08.43 | DiamonD | ! |
| 16:08.44 | DiamonD | :) |
| 16:08.50 | Braindead | DiamonD: what's the exact message? |
| 16:09.06 | jetx | change it to your current pw |
| 16:09.19 | abrotman | and then fix your password aging |
| 16:09.26 | Braindead | DiamonD: by the way remember that thing about writing down whole paragraphs on ONE line? do it please |
| 16:09.44 | DiamonD | changing password for mainuser |
| 16:09.55 | DiamonD | (current UNIX password : |
| 16:09.59 | cydork | Braindead: :) |
| 16:10.19 | jetx | we know what it says DiamonD :) just the errors are needed |
| 16:10.46 | jetx | ah cydork somebody showed me a patch to that modem source |
| 16:10.47 | DiamonD | but when i do that it closing putty automaticly and when i restart putty it keeps asking change your password |
| 16:10.49 | DiamonD | why ? |
| 16:10.55 | DiamonD | ok braindead |
| 16:11.02 | cydork | jetx: oh ok for 2.6.17? |
| 16:11.05 | jetx | yeah |
| 16:11.17 | jetx | lemme see if i can find it... diff comp |
| 16:11.18 | DiamonD | there is no error |
| 16:11.23 | cydork | jetx: so it has module_param right? |
| 16:11.28 | jetx | yeah |
| 16:11.32 | jetx | iirc |
| 16:11.59 | hoarycripple | On Debian Sarge (kernel 2.6.8-3), i keep getting a kernel panic when trying to burn a dvd with growisofs. I can't find any references to this problem online. could it be a problem with dma? unmaskirq? I don't know how to proceed with this problem.... |
| 16:12.09 | DiamonD | it keeps saying change your password but i don't know why i installed yesterday mysql and then he keeps asking for to change myusers password |
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| 16:13.19 | wols_ | hoarycripple: what does the kernel panic say? maybe you could get some answers there |
| 16:13.28 | DiamonD | why ? |
| 16:14.02 | wols_ | DiamonD: google for the exact message |
| 16:14.10 | DiamonD | yes but there is no msg |
| 16:14.32 | wols_ | then nothing says you should change your password either. QED. case closed next |
| 16:14.42 | hoarycripple | wols_, i wasn't able to capture the kernel panic output, but it said something like "fatal exception in interrupt" how can I capture the full output? |
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| 16:15.00 | DiamonD | just the msg that i must change my password but i don't know why where could i set that off could i pico a passwd file and search in that |
| 16:15.00 | DiamonD | ? |
| 16:15.47 | wols_ | DiamonD: 18:14 < DiamonD> yes but there is no msg So there can't be an error |
| 16:16.13 | DiamonD | yes the error is changing password but he keeps asking it neverstops |
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| 16:16.48 | DiamonD | how can i turn it off |
| 16:16.52 | wols_ | DiamonD: since you are uncapable of following directions and providing useful info we are unable to help you. now stop the whining about this non error |
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| 16:17.24 | simonrvn | DiamonD: turn what off? what's the context? |
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| 16:19.18 | wols_ | simonrvn: he won't speak about his errors to anyone. All he wants is a psychic fix |
| 16:20.03 | simonrvn | DiamonD: how can we help if you won't tell us what's going on? |
| 16:20.58 | Ronin | doesnt look good cydork |
| 16:21.22 | wols_ | cydork: why do you care what Ronin's future holds? |
| 16:21.47 | cydork | wols_: ohh actully i was interested in mine :P |
| 16:21.51 | Ronin | heh |
| 16:22.02 | wols_ | Ronin: sorry about your future btw |
| 16:22.17 | wols_ | cydork: then as about yours and not his |
| 16:22.20 | Ronin | wols_: ehh, its not that bad, least i get paid on a regular basis |
| 16:23.02 | wols_ | you just sais "doesnt look so good" |
| 16:26.26 | DiamonD | ok.. |
| 16:26.38 | De_Mon | I think thats working, let me try a subsititution that exists this time |
| 16:26.51 | De_Mon | to nuke the bakup file I use unlink? |
| 16:27.04 | Ronin | wols_: well i do work for the govt on windows machines |
| 16:27.40 | wols_ | double hell? damn you must have accumulated a shitload of bad karma in your former life |
| 16:28.00 | DiamonD | now the problem is that when i login with putty!! the system tells me to change the password for the account where i am trying to login with when i try to change the password the putty closes and doesn't do anything |
| 16:28.03 | DiamonD | why is that |
| 16:28.04 | DiamonD | ? |
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| 16:28.26 | toad_ | is there a debian package for a simple graphical hit counter? |
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| 16:28.52 | De_Mon | oops wrong channel |
| 16:31.13 | DiamonD | someone knows how to set the auto password changer off in my passwd file |
| 16:31.26 | Bhavesh | am i alive? |
| 16:31.27 | Bhavesh | yes |
| 16:32.17 | wols_ | someone knows what message DiamonD is seeing? |
| 16:32.22 | jetx | DiamonD: man passwd |
| 16:32.27 | jetx | it tells you how |
| 16:32.36 | jetx | i jsut read it last night iirc |
| 16:32.47 | jetx | or was that useradd |
| 16:32.50 | jetx | one of the two |
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| 16:33.01 | kintaro0e | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.05 | jetx | or was it usermod... one of the 3 |
| 16:33.10 | Bhavesh | oops |
| 16:33.12 | jetx | kintaro0e: thanks |
| 16:33.14 | wols_ | kintaro0e: now you better change it |
| 16:33.21 | kintaro0e | heheh.. |
| 16:33.23 | kintaro0e | yah |
| 16:33.25 | Bhavesh | i was about to go identify myself with tha tpassword :) |
| 16:33.30 | DiamonD | when i type passwd it change nothing and it keeps asking with putty to change |
| 16:33.31 | cydork | kintaro0e: your nick is mine :) |
| 16:33.32 | DiamonD | :S |
| 16:33.38 | kintaro0e | hehee.. |
| 16:33.45 | toad_ | is there a debian package for a simple graphical hit counter? |
| 16:33.47 | jetx | cydork: you can have it... |
| 16:33.49 | kintaro0e | will its the password is incorrect.. |
| 16:34.05 | jetx | ! might be reserved |
| 16:34.06 | kintaro0e | i was trying to recover it...but i forgot |
| 16:34.07 | kintaro0e | :) |
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| 16:34.26 | sparr | wols_: how can i do it manually, to the order i want? |
| 16:34.28 | Bhavesh | toad_: something like webalizer? |
| 16:34.45 | jetx | you could /join #freenode and they can maybe help you... you usually have to wait a while to get voiced though |
| 16:34.48 | Bhavesh | nevermind |
| 16:34.52 | wols_ | sparr: hex editing directories |
| 16:34.52 | jetx | or you can just /msg an op |
| 16:34.53 | Bhavesh | that's just a log analizer |
| 16:35.14 | jetx | an op in there i mean |
| 16:35.23 | jetx | anal y zer |
| 16:35.28 | DiamonD | wtf is happing here i can't change my password how tha hell do i shut it off :(( |
| 16:35.30 | jetx | who is zer |
| 16:35.37 | toad_ | Bhavesh: just a graphical counter like you get on all those sites ... |
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| 16:35.47 | toad_ | the client requires one, and i'd like to run it locally |
| 16:36.02 | wols_ | toad_: write one in php then |
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| 16:36.08 | neko_ | hi |
| 16:36.10 | wols_ | or look at hotscripts and get one there |
| 16:36.26 | wols_ | probably the equvalent of "hello world" in php |
| 16:36.38 | neko_ | is someone succeed to have good 2D performance with a nvidia card ??? |
| 16:36.49 | DiamonD | it's say's "you have mail." "changing password for user" " (current) UNIX password" |
| 16:36.49 | wols_ | neko_: use nv or nvidia driver |
| 16:36.53 | DiamonD | :/ |
| 16:36.56 | neko_ | yes |
| 16:37.04 | neko_ | it is what i do |
| 16:37.17 | wols_ | then you have good 2D performance |
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| 16:37.36 | esters | how can i change the locale from "POSIX" to "en_US.UTF.8" ? |
| 16:37.46 | wols_ | esters: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:37.51 | esters | i did that |
| 16:37.53 | esters | wols_: |
| 16:37.55 | esters | but still |
| 16:38.06 | neko_ | i have install the nvidia driver from nvidia, have try bunch of parameters with xorg.conf but it keep slow in comparison of my old g400 that was on my box before this one |
| 16:38.07 | esters | the default charset is ANSI_X3.4-1968 |
| 16:38.24 | neko_ | 3D is ok but common desktop is slow as hell |
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| 16:39.20 | [Pitcher] | [Pitcher] New Server of IRC, type: /server -m irc.ubuntuzone.org:6668 Tu nuevo servidor de Ubuntu: /server -m irc.ubuntuzone.org:6668} |
| 16:39.28 | neko_ | or maybe it is the maximum i could expect from xorg.conf |
| 16:39.50 | Ronin | flogging your server [Pitcher] ? |
| 16:39.56 | cydork | spam? |
| 16:40.08 | jetx | won't that disconnect you from freenode? |
| 16:40.25 | jetx | doesn't it have to be /newserver or something |
| 16:40.32 | jelly | It could if someone bothered to report it. |
| 16:40.41 | neko_ | wols_: you run a nvidia on your box ? |
| 16:40.42 | jetx | speaking of new irc servers... |
| 16:40.58 | esters | is this normal that when i enter "locale" as default user all locales ar set to "" |
| 16:41.02 | esters | POSIX |
| 16:41.03 | jetx | www.ncdrink.com/6667 |
| 16:41.08 | wols_ | neko_: yes. 6600 |
| 16:41.10 | jetx | please join :) |
| 16:41.12 | wols_ | and it's find imho |
| 16:41.16 | Bhavesh | neko_: i use 6600GT 8X AGP and use nvidia drivers, i can see the speed incase with the new drivers |
| 16:41.24 | Bhavesh | and i am on xserver 7.0.1 i think |
| 16:41.34 | neko_ | okey maybe it is this |
| 16:41.35 | anisfarhana | wols_ are still here ? can't believe it |
| 16:41.39 | jetx | Bhavesh: the betas? yeah i see new special effects in my favorite game too |
| 16:41.42 | neko_ | i am on the stable version of xorg |
| 16:41.50 | wols_ | anisfarhana: lots of people live here |
| 16:41.58 | neko_ | and a g400 run faster for 2D than my 5600XT |
| 16:41.59 | Bhavesh | jetx: nope i have not tried beta, i can tell ya which one it is though :) |
| 16:42.00 | cydork | anisfarhana: he sleeps here too ! |
| 16:42.10 | anisfarhana | ah cydork too , hoho |
| 16:42.11 | jetx | 8774 is latest stable |
| 16:42.14 | Bhavesh | it's 8774 |
| 16:42.15 | anisfarhana | people never sleep here |
| 16:42.18 | Bhavesh | the latest stable |
| 16:42.18 | jetx | :) |
| 16:42.26 | toad_ | neko_: how are you measuring 2d speed? |
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| 16:42.35 | Bhavesh | bbl.. lunch time |
| 16:42.36 | jelly | anisfarhana: it's always day somewhere in the world. |
| 16:42.47 | neko_ | i have two linux box @ work |
| 16:42.52 | anisfarhana | jelly: ah i wonder where is it |
| 16:43.10 | neko_ | a ubuntu with a g400 inside and my debian with the 5600XT |
| 16:43.27 | anisfarhana | wols_: i just finished download netinstall |
| 16:43.29 | neko_ | with simple comparison |
| 16:43.33 | jelly | anisfarhana: well, it's about lunchtime for East Coast North America. |
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| 16:43.46 | neko_ | and before i have a g400 on this box too |
| 16:43.58 | anisfarhana | jelly: it's 1.00 am here with storm outside |
| 16:44.08 | wols_ | and dinnertime for europe |
| 16:44.12 | Blastur | is unstable more bleeding edge than testing? |
| 16:44.13 | neko_ | it looks like a backingstore issue thing as windows get some seconds to redraw |
| 16:44.13 | jelly | anisfarhana: India? |
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| 16:44.15 | [Pitcher] | [Pitcher] New Server of IRC, type: /server -m irc.ubuntuzone.org:6668 Tu nuevo servidor de Ubuntu: /server -m irc.ubuntuzone.org:6668} |
| 16:44.16 | cydork | wols_: not yet :P |
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| 16:44.22 | wols_ | Blastur: yes |
| 16:44.26 | jetx | Blastur: it is, but not enough to care aobut |
| 16:44.30 | wols_ | cydork: depends when you eat dinner |
| 16:44.30 | anisfarhana | jelly: no somewhere in tsunamis country |
| 16:44.33 | cydork | !ops [Pitcher] is spamming |
| 16:44.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: cydork complains about: [Pitcher] is spamming |
| 16:44.35 | jetx | etch is very close to sid |
| 16:44.45 | jetx | he left cydork |
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| 16:44.55 | cydork | jetx: bah :( |
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| 16:45.14 | jetx | feel free to join our cool new irc server though |
| 16:45.16 | jetx | :) |
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| 16:45.42 | neko_ | toad_ : the thing that i don't understand it is the renderAccel thing, i set this thing on but it doesn't change anything, i was expecting better result than with my old g400 but it is worse |
| 16:45.47 | Blastur | okay.. so, what do you guys recommend for a typical server system on debian? sarge? i want to run a decent version of MySQL (4.1 or later), Apache2, PHP5, Java 1.5 etc |
| 16:45.50 | anisfarhana | jetx: still open for routing to your ircd server ? ;p |
| 16:46.10 | jetx | Blastur: stable for a server |
| 16:46.15 | jetx | aka sarge |
| 16:46.43 | wols_ | Blastur: but you will need backports for stuff like php5 etc then |
| 16:46.51 | jetx | anisfarhana: the details can be found on ##noisecontrol here on freenode if you're interested |
| 16:46.54 | wols_ | java 1.5 is only via sun and unfree anyways |
| 16:47.23 | jetx | in sid... iirc it's not in etch? (the sun java) |
| 16:47.33 | pipeline | Blastur: Java 1.5, Apache 2, and MySQL are easy on Sarge. For PHP5, you'll have to use ghetto-ass third-party packages. |
| 16:47.54 | Blastur | okay |
| 16:47.57 | Blastur | cool |
| 16:47.59 | jelly | pipeline: ghetto-ass? |
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| 16:48.08 | Blastur | i'm getting sarge from bittorrent now |
| 16:48.08 | pipeline | jelly: busted-fugly. |
| 16:48.21 | jelly | pipeline: no schweet backports.org? |
| 16:48.22 | pipeline | Blastur: Pointless. You only need the "netinstall" disc. Despite the name, it doesn't require the net. |
| 16:48.32 | jetx | you don't know the adjective 'ghetto' ? zomg! |
| 16:48.32 | pipeline | jelly: Backports.org qualifies as ghetto-ass, busted-fugly. |
| 16:48.33 | ChrisWhite|Work | jelly: please see "Snoop Dog" music videos for reference |
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| 16:49.36 | jelly | ChrisWhite|Work: riight. /me backs away slowly. |
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| 16:49.54 | neko_ | hum so about this nvidia issue, what driver did you install ? |
| 16:50.04 | neko_ | the latest or the stable ? |
| 16:50.15 | neko_ | (i mean from the nvidia website) |
| 16:50.52 | Blastur | what kind of features does the standard sarge kernel include? can I run iptables without reconfiguring the kernel? also, i have some usb-stuff, a printer (via parallellport) and some serial port stuff i want to work |
| 16:51.17 | blondie | of course that works. |
| 16:51.25 | blondie | probably want to use the 2.6 option |
| 16:51.33 | blondie | (it comes with 2.4.27? and 2.6.8) |
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| 16:52.43 | jetx | yeah when the cd boots hit F2 and F3 et al |
| 16:52.56 | jetx | type linux26 at the boot: prompt |
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| 16:54.49 | jeroenimo | hello guys/girls I have this problem : I have no idea how to fix this, I have installed fuse-utils but it fails and now my apt-get doesnt work anymore see here: http://hetgilde.net/debian.txt |
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| 16:55.56 | Blastur | i also have some temperature sensors on my motherboard, which i usually have to recompile the kernel to get working (at least on other linux dists),.. can i add support for those aswell without recompiling? the kernel modules i need is i2c and one specific for my board called it87, sis5595 etc |
| 16:56.00 | valdyn | jeroenimo: try 'dpkg --purge fuse-utils' before anything else |
| 16:56.23 | jeroenimo | valdyn: tried that allready, doesn't work same error |
| 16:56.29 | bbelt16ag | hey |
| 16:56.46 | bbelt16ag | i am learning... |
| 16:56.48 | tarzeau | what's a good yahoo messenger client? ayttm isn't |
| 16:56.53 | tarzeau | (oh and please no gaim) |
| 16:57.09 | Ronin | tarzeau: whats wrong with gaim? |
| 16:57.14 | Ronin | licq perhaps |
| 16:57.18 | tarzeau | Ronin: it needs gtk |
| 16:57.19 | Ronin | if it still exists |
| 16:57.23 | Ronin | tarzeau: so? |
| 16:57.34 | tarzeau | Ronin: really it always crashes for me |
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| 16:57.38 | Ronin | ahh |
| 16:57.50 | valdyn | jeroenimo: there's a verious scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/methods/, fuse-utils.postrm and fuse-utils.prerm may be of interest. Try first cutting the .postrm script short by putting 'exit' in like the second line |
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| 16:58.23 | jeroenimo | valdyn: I'll give that a try |
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| 16:58.36 | bbelt16ag | what packages do i got to install to play a store bought dvd movie |
| 16:58.44 | valdyn | johns^: opss, its /var/lib/dpkg/info ! |
| 16:58.44 | bbelt16ag | i got libdvdcss |
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| 16:58.49 | bbelt16ag | i tried dpkg he didnt know |
| 16:58.51 | valdyn | jeroenimo: opss, its /var/lib/dpkg/info ! |
| 16:59.24 | jeroenimo | cheers valdyn |
| 16:59.34 | amphi | bbelt16ag: I use mplayer |
| 16:59.43 | bbelt16ag | i am trying mplayer it says it cant read the dvd |
| 17:00.11 | amphi | bbelt16ag: what is the error? |
| 17:00.25 | valdyn | bbelt16ag: the package should be 'libdvdcss2'.. |
| 17:00.34 | bbelt16ag | it says faild to open dvd://1 |
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| 17:00.40 | valdyn | bbelt16ag: and thats just the part the decodes the css encryption |
| 17:00.41 | bbelt16ag | i installed it |
| 17:01.00 | amphi | bbelt16ag: anything before that? |
| 17:01.08 | valdyn | bbelt16ag: 'mplayer -dvd-device /dev/whatever dvd://' |
| 17:01.15 | jeroenimo | valdyn: seems to work ! |
| 17:01.19 | jeroenimo | cheers mate ! |
| 17:01.29 | ezerhoden | hmm, mplayer dvd:// works for me |
| 17:02.04 | valdyn | jeroenimo: that was really hope tht that postrm wasnt supposed to do something important ( though there's not much chance at all that it really had to do something important ) |
| 17:02.16 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 17:02.21 | bbelt16ag | nope |
| 17:02.26 | bbelt16ag | vlc says nothing to play |
| 17:02.28 | amphi | bbelt16ag: it's not a region coding issue? |
| 17:02.32 | valdyn | jeroenimo: ugly hack worked for that i suppose, generally that's dangerous |
| 17:02.45 | bbelt16ag | nope |
| 17:02.53 | jeroenimo | lets hope for that :P |
| 17:02.54 | cydork | jeroenimo: are you using sid? |
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| 17:03.19 | bbelt16ag | i am using libdvdcss 1.2.9 |
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| 17:03.51 | jeroenimo | cydork: sid ? |
| 17:04.03 | amphi | bbelt16ag: that's what I have |
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| 17:04.06 | cydork | jeroenimo: unstable. |
| 17:04.09 | valdyn | bbelt16ag: your error has nothing to with libdvdcss, most probably, but since you didnt give us the real output of mplayer... |
| 17:04.11 | bbelt16ag | hmmm |
| 17:04.25 | jeroenimo | nope I'm not |
| 17:04.42 | lukeholt | quick question: where can I find repositories (ie: deb http://.../.../ unstable) for unstable packages? Is there a central place I can find these urls? |
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| 17:05.26 | bbelt16ag | it says cant open dvd device, |
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| 17:05.42 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.44 | valdyn | bbelt16ag: mplayer is quite alot more verbose |
| 17:05.50 | valdyn | bbelt16ag: why cant it? |
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| 17:06.02 | ^Timo^ | Here i am again |
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| 17:06.06 | bbelt16ag | file. no file name.. |
| 17:06.07 | ^Timo^ | still don't work |
| 17:06.11 | valdyn | !wikifaq bbelt16ag Permissions |
| 17:06.12 | dpkg | bbelt16ag: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 17:06.30 | ^Timo^ | why is debian keeping asking to change my password |
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| 17:06.57 | valdyn | ^Timo^: because you set i tup that way? or whoever is the admin did.. |
| 17:07.20 | ^Timo^ | i am the admin |
| 17:07.36 | ^Timo^ | and i have only installed cpan and mysql should the problem be there |
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| 17:08.31 | ^Timo^ | valdyn: could i reset the password |
| 17:08.31 | ^Timo^ | ? |
| 17:09.29 | Ronin | ^Timo^: didnt someoen allready tell you to change it to the current one then fix your expiry time? |
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| 17:09.29 | lukeholt | where can I find repositories (ie: deb http://.../.../ unstable) for unstable packages? Is there a central place I can find these urls? |
| 17:09.29 | valdyn | ^Timo^: usermod could do all you want |
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| 17:09.43 | Inf3rn0 | Name a good socks4 proxy for Debian... |
| 17:09.49 | valdyn | lukeholt: what kind of repositories are you looking for? |
| 17:10.09 | ^Timo^ | no i didn't see someone explaining to me can someone give me the solution again |
| 17:10.09 | ^Timo^ | ? |
| 17:10.14 | stew | Inf3rn0: apt-cache search socks4 |
| 17:10.20 | Inf3rn0 | :p |
| 17:10.40 | LeafWiz | Hi, Im new to debian. Been googling a bit, but i'm a bit unsure. I'm running sarge stable, but I want to install a package from the testing repository. Whats the best way to do it? |
| 17:10.41 | lukeholt | valdyn, I'm probably after unstable packages - I'm using sarge and attempting to install latest version of XFCE, except it requires some more recent packages that are 'unavailable' |
| 17:10.41 | valdyn | ^Timo^: nm, look at /etc/login.defs, the variables starting with PASS |
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| 17:11.13 | abrotman | mixing is bad |
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| 17:11.24 | valdyn | lukeholt: unstable deb lines look just like sarge/stable linus, just with unstable in the line instead of sarge or stable |
| 17:11.25 | Ronin | lukeholt: not a good idea then to be looking into unstable pacakges unless you want to break your system |
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| 17:12.06 | Charminthemoose | what'd be better to use unstable or testing? |
| 17:12.17 | valdyn | !better |
| 17:12.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 17:12.22 | jelly | Charminthemoose: both have + and - |
| 17:12.29 | lukeholt | hrm - the decision becomes: do I want to settle for a version less than the bleeding edge? |
| 17:12.29 | abrotman | Charminthemoose: do you know how to lie to the packing manager? |
| 17:12.30 | neko_ | could someone that have good 2D performance with a nvidia 5600XT could send me his xorg.conf ? |
| 17:13.03 | valdyn | lukeholt: what's the point in a system being bleeding edge? |
| 17:13.03 | valdyn | lukeholt: you want to get work done? |
| 17:13.03 | Charminthemoose | abrotman:no |
| 17:13.16 | lukeholt | valdyn - not a system, just the desktop |
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| 17:13.30 | abrotman | Charminthemoose: sid can break badly sometimes .. |
| 17:13.32 | valdyn | lukeholt: that doesnt make the issue different by much |
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| 17:13.44 | jelly | Charminthemoose: testing is a bit more stable, but is the worst choice of (stable, testing, unstable) when it comes to security patches. |
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| 17:14.11 | Charminthemoose | ok valdyn:What i mean by 'better' is that it doesn't break as much |
| 17:14.25 | Ronin | Charminthemoose: sarge/stable then |
| 17:14.29 | lukeholt | valdyn, not really. I think I'll stick with stable 4.3 and skip 4.4 <bigsigh> |
| 17:14.37 | lukeholt | ;) |
| 17:14.39 | bbelt16ag | ok that was totally stupid of them to do that |
| 17:14.50 | dan2 | abrotman: you see the news in the past half hour? There was a shooting at an amish school single room school house |
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| 17:15.19 | dan2 | abrotman: I've noticed in the past 2 weeks there have been 2 school shootings... epidemic? |
| 17:15.23 | Charminthemoose | the gunman was among the killed |
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| 17:15.28 | bbelt16ag | somebody forgot to make a chek for my etc/fstab to what device to map the default preferences are set to |
| 17:15.34 | bbelt16ag | nothing wrong with dvd... |
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| 17:15.51 | Ronin | must be somethign in the water lately to have all these looser doing shootings |
| 17:15.53 | jelly | lukeholt: eh, the only way to use 4.4 would be to create backported packages for xfce. I've tried backporting from unstable to testing and while possible, it wasn't really easy. |
| 17:15.54 | bbelt16ag | nor mplayer or vlc.. it was telling me the truth there is no /dev/dvd |
| 17:15.57 | dan2 | Charminthemoose: yeah, and so he was with the last shooting |
| 17:16.04 | lukeholt | that makes 3 shootings in ... what? the last month ??? |
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| 17:16.12 | dan2 | Charminthemoose: common theme here: kill a whole bunch of people and kill yourself |
| 17:16.15 | dan2 | lukeholt: yeah |
| 17:16.31 | Charminthemoose | dan2:Good point |
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| 17:16.37 | valdyn | bbelt16ag: your fstab has nothing to do with dvd playback |
| 17:16.51 | dan2 | lukeholt: all the more reason everybody needs self protection |
| 17:16.52 | bbelt16ag | well, of course not |
| 17:16.58 | bbelt16ag | the default setting were fcked.. |
| 17:17.02 | lukeholt | jelly - yeah it sounds like a real hassle. I don't think I'm missing out on too much though |
| 17:17.05 | dan2 | lukeholt: everybody should learn and know how to use a gun |
| 17:17.21 | abrotman | dan2: or they just haven't caught you yet |
| 17:17.24 | bbelt16ag | vlc and mplayer were set to /dev/dvd and that is not a device my dvd player maps to |
| 17:17.25 | valdyn | dan2: most of the world lives fine w/o that |
| 17:17.26 | abrotman | and there's been more than two |
| 17:17.26 | karsten | dan2: I can think of a few folks I'd rather not. |
| 17:17.28 | bbelt16ag | er mounts to |
| 17:17.34 | Charminthemoose | where'd you guys live?you guys=people who are here |
| 17:17.36 | bbelt16ag | so it wouldnt work. i had to use /dev/hdd |
| 17:17.46 | jelly | Charminthemoose: at home! |
| 17:17.54 | bbelt16ag | to get vlc to work, i know mplayer is gimped.. wouldnt do it |
| 17:17.55 | Charminthemoose | lol jelly |
| 17:17.58 | Charminthemoose | country i mean |
| 17:18.12 | dan2 | valdyn: the US has the highest homicide rate in the world among the industrialized nations iirc |
| 17:18.29 | valdyn | dan2: yea, that is true |
| 17:18.32 | Ronin | ya dan2 thats just what we need more idiots carrying guns, hell they cant even stop the vcr from flashign 12 but lets give them guns ;) |
| 17:18.36 | dan2 | valdyn: Canada has the highest amount of guns per capita, and the lowest homicide rate among the industrialized nations |
| 17:18.48 | abrotman | #politics |
| 17:18.50 | Charminthemoose | thank god i don't live in america! |
| 17:18.53 | valdyn | dan2: low anyway |
| 17:18.54 | Ronin | abrotman: true |
| 17:18.58 | bbelt16ag | i wanna live in canada |
| 17:18.58 | valdyn | dan2: true |
| 17:19.21 | abrotman | and just so you're aware . the people in canada don't live close enough to one another to get on their nerves |
| 17:19.27 | dan2 | Ronin: "Zero Tolerance" policies don't let people even keep pocket knifes on themselves |
| 17:19.28 | karsten | dan2: Obvious conclusion: canadians have lousy aim? |
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| 17:19.46 | valdyn | abrotman: hmm, most canadians do live in cities i'd think |
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| 17:19.51 | dan2 | karsten: no, I think they all just have 10 acres in between the shooter and the victim |
| 17:19.52 | abrotman | lies! |
| 17:19.59 | abrotman | Red Green Show says that's a lie! |
| 17:20.05 | karsten | abrotman: damned lies! |
| 17:20.13 | jelly | Charminthemoose: generic answer: use /whois nick to find out somebody's hostname/ip, then look it up with whois xx.xx.xx.xx in the command line. |
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| 17:20.29 | Greg^lM | hello |
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| 17:21.20 | Charminthemoose | jelly:tsk,how generic |
| 17:21.28 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:21.28 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:21.30 | Supaplex | ouu look, a null modem! lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2006-10-02 11:20 modem -> null |
| 17:22.06 | amphi | Supaplex: ;) |
| 17:22.17 | Greg^lM | can somebody help me? I have old debian woody, but something went wrong and now fscheck is running on every boot, running and hangin up...can I turn it off? |
| 17:22.38 | karsten | Greg^lM: Sounds like possible filesystem corruption. |
| 17:22.40 | valdyn | Greg^lM: no, you need to fix that filesystem that is being checked |
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| 17:22.48 | jelly | Charminthemoose: now you don't have to ask a particular person for their country - it works on most, so it's generic. ;-) |
| 17:22.50 | karsten | Greg^lM: Are you shutting down cleanly? |
| 17:23.30 | jelly | Charminthemoose: eg. whois says you're from Ireland. |
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| 17:23.33 | SpComb | hmm, I guess the sarge installer doesn't know how to resize ntfs partitions? |
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| 17:23.47 | karsten | Charminthemoose: cloaked users (like me) won't reveal an IP. You can also use mtr (matt's/my traceroute) to show hops between you and a particular node. That's how I figured you were irish. |
| 17:23.58 | karsten | SpComb: Try gparted. |
| 17:24.07 | karsten | SpComb: erm. qtparted. |
| 17:24.13 | karsten | SpComb: Boot knoppix for that. |
| 17:24.19 | Charminthemoose | gparted FTW! |
| 17:24.23 | Charminthemoose | sorry... |
| 17:24.28 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ?? |
| 17:24.35 | Greg^lM | karsten: I mean, I can't boot now...Mozilla hang up system, I had few situations like this but after checking filesys everything was ok...now I can't boot |
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| 17:25.06 | karsten | Greg^lM: If all you've got is an unclean FS, fsck should run, fix errors, complete, and boot continues. What actually happens? |
| 17:25.16 | valdyn | Greg^lM: there's no automatic fix for that, you'd best verify that the disk is ok and restore from backup |
| 17:25.18 | karsten | Greg^lM: Have you tried booting single-user? |
| 17:26.29 | Greg^lM | karsten: It runs, says that there are duplicate blocks (hd is working very loud;) and hangs up |
| 17:26.45 | karsten | Greg^lM: "hangs up"? |
| 17:27.07 | karsten | Greg^lM: any indication of disk errors? CRC or read/seek complete errors? |
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| 17:27.44 | Charminthemoose | karsten:FTW stands for For The WIn which means to display preference over something |
| 17:28.09 | karsten | Charminthemoose: FTW! |
| 17:28.12 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Thanks. |
| 17:28.28 | woodrag | can anybody tell me how to export โด to openoffice? |
| 17:28.46 | Greg^lM | karsten: I will check it |
| 17:28.47 | karsten | woodrag: Contact your local import/export office and ship the goods. |
| 17:28.50 | Greg^lM | brb |
| 17:28.51 | karsten | woodrag: export what? |
| 17:28.51 | Charminthemoose | karsten:IE: Gnome FTW!would mean Gnome rocks! |
| 17:28.52 | sparr | What is that 'other' novelty store chain with similar merchandise to Spencer's Gifts? |
| 17:29.02 | woodrag | it comes out as รขยยด |
| 17:29.05 | karsten | Charminthemoose: And you'd be a liar ;-) |
| 17:29.10 | woodrag | โด |
| 17:29.18 | woodrag | character โด |
| 17:29.25 | karsten | !tell woodrag about smart questions |
| 17:29.38 | woodrag | it is a utf8 character |
| 17:29.51 | woodrag | i don't asl smart questions |
| 17:29.59 | woodrag | i am lookin for an answer |
| 17:30.06 | Charminthemoose | karsten:Gnome does rock,compared to kde. :) |
| 17:30.25 | Charminthemoose | do you use kde karsten? |
| 17:30.25 | Ronin | Charminthemoose: heh its a matter of choice |
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| 17:30.29 | Ronin | they all rock or suck depending on who you ask |
| 17:30.40 | esters | fluxbox rocks :> |
| 17:30.42 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Neither, most of the time. Windowmaker as desktop. General preference for KDE over gnome though. |
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| 17:31.08 | woodrag | โด is also a math symbol |
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| 17:32.08 | karsten | woodrag: What are you trying to export? Text? A document? An image? What's the source? What are you exporting from/to? |
| 17:32.18 | woodrag | i stored โด in the database |
| 17:32.35 | woodrag | i retrieve it with a query |
| 17:32.49 | woodrag | printing it in html works! |
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| 17:33.03 | woodrag | with utf8 characterset |
| 17:33.05 | karsten | !tell woodrag about entre |
| 17:33.08 | karsten | !tell woodrag about enter |
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| 17:33.33 | Charminthemoose | heh and for some reason i have this idea in my head that kde is bloatier than gnome. |
| 17:33.44 | woodrag | when i write it to a spreadsheet things go wrong ;-( |
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| 17:34.36 | Greg^lM | re |
| 17:34.45 | abrotman | Charminthemoose: it is |
| 17:35.27 | Charminthemoose | abrotman:heh,so i'm correct.. |
| 17:35.33 | abrotman | IMO anyways .. |
| 17:35.45 | woodrag | do you understand what i mean karsten? |
| 17:35.57 | karsten | woodrag: Not in the least. Rapidly approaching not caring either. |
| 17:36.12 | karsten | woodrag: State your question clearly and accurately, you might get some help. Have a nice day. |
| 17:36.15 | abrotman | and you know what they say about opinions ... they smell like puss .. wait .. tha'ts not it |
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| 17:37.56 | Greg^lM | karsten: last thing fsck is doing is "Pass 1C Scan directories for Inodes with dup blocks" maybe it's just hardware problem... |
| 17:38.14 | karsten | Greg^lM: How long do you let it run? |
| 17:38.27 | karsten | Greg^lM: fsck _can_ take a while to do its thing. Many minutes. |
| 17:38.41 | karsten | Greg^lM: Longer on a bad disk (read/write retries, resets, etc.). |
| 17:38.46 | woodrag | i have stored the โด character in a posgresdatabase and i am trying to write it to a spreadsheet for reporting. When i do this i get garbage instead off the โด character. Printing it in HTML works fine using the UTF8 characterset.. What am i doing wrong? |
| 17:39.02 | karsten | Greg^lM: Any audible disk activity? |
| 17:39.10 | Greg^lM | karsten: didn't check that long |
| 17:39.26 | Greg^lM | karsten: for a minute maybe, and hd stops :/ |
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| 17:39.40 | Charminthemoose | hey karsten: mind if you went through with me the mind-numbingly boring process of installing a 2.6 kernel on my debian box. ;) |
| 17:39.45 | karsten | Greg^lM: And a prompt returns or not? |
| 17:39.56 | karsten | Charminthemoose: aptitude install <kernel> |
| 17:40.00 | Gathond | woodrag: I would guess that your spreadsheet does not support utf-8 |
| 17:40.02 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ... that's the long and short of it. |
| 17:40.06 | Charminthemoose | karsten:I'm just messing with you |
| 17:40.09 | Charminthemoose | :) |
| 17:40.15 | dan2 | abrotman: who do you think wins tonight? Cheeseturds or the Birdshits? |
| 17:40.16 | Greg^lM | karsten: no, do not return :( |
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| 17:40.22 | karsten | Charminthemoose: If it's any longer than that, yes, I'd mind ;-) |
| 17:40.30 | abrotman | dan2: 50/50 |
| 17:40.30 | karsten | Greg^lM: Then let it continue. |
| 17:40.48 | abrotman | dan2: you know who should win .. but green bay seems to pull wins out of thier ass |
| 17:41.01 | woodrag | Gathond: OpenOffice does not support UTF8?? I dont think so. When i type the โด character directly into the spreadsheet it works... |
| 17:41.05 | dan2 | abrotman: tradesports.com has an 86% odds of eagles winning |
| 17:41.12 | Gathond | woodrag: or perhaps just whatever DB connectivity thingy you use |
| 17:41.13 | Greg^lM | karsten: ok, I need to think of installing new distro on my Pegasos, hope there is any ;) |
| 17:41.15 | karsten | Greg^lM: Either that or boot alternate media (eg: rescue disk, Knoppix / Damn Small Linux). I'd suggest backing up data / getting new HD. |
| 17:41.31 | Gathond | woodrag: note that I have no idea about what OOo supports or not:) |
| 17:41.43 | woodrag | Gathond: Perl DBI! |
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| 17:41.55 | karsten | Greg^lM: Pegasos? |
| 17:42.01 | abrotman | dan2: i know .. and they're +11 or so |
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| 17:42.32 | Gathond | woodrag: and that magivally means it runs in UTF-8 mode? you do know that you can select whatever codepage you want and postgres will convert it from unicode on the fly? |
| 17:42.43 | Greg^lM | karsten: Pegasos PPC, ---> http://www.pegasosppc.com/ |
| 17:43.05 | woodrag | Gathond: When i retrieve data from the database everything is fine. Problems start with the sheet |
| 17:43.44 | dan2 | abrotman: can you teach me how to read those point spreads? |
| 17:43.56 | Gathond | woodrag: in that case I would still claim the interface between DB and sheet somewhere |
| 17:44.07 | Charminthemoose | question: shouldn't London time in the tzconfig be gmt? |
| 17:44.12 | karsten | Greg^lM: Interesting. |
| 17:44.25 | abrotman | dan2: ask your dad :) |
| 17:44.31 | karsten | Charminthemoose: No. |
| 17:44.31 | dan2 | he doesn't gamble |
| 17:44.40 | abrotman | dan2: i don't really get it .. one of the guys in my office is into gambling .. but he's not here today |
| 17:44.44 | karsten | Charminthemoose: GMT doesn't have BST. |
| 17:44.51 | abrotman | dan2: i bet karsten knows! |
| 17:44.59 | dan2 | abrotman: http://tradesports.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp?evID=60821&eventSelect=60821&updateList=true&showExpired=false |
| 17:45.00 | karsten | abrotman: left to right. |
| 17:45.25 | dan2 | abrotman: bid/ask percentage 0-100 odds |
| 17:45.27 | almir | testing (etch) printing (printk 12: messages suppressed, azx_get_response timeout) help please |
| 17:46.30 | abrotman | dan2: that's a weird one ... |
| 17:46.46 | dan2 | abrotman: well, it's a futures exchange that lets you put your money where your mouth is |
| 17:46.49 | abrotman | dan2: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/odds |
| 17:47.12 | Greg^lM | karsten: mainly running MorphoOS on it, that is based on AmigaOS. |
| 17:47.27 | karsten | Greg^lM: The OS That Won't Die.... |
| 17:47.58 | SpComb | is there a version of the debian (sarge? etch?) installer out there that is able to resize ntfs partitions? |
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| 17:48.20 | dan2 | SpComb: system rescue cd can do that |
| 17:48.33 | dan2 | SpComb: download that first, and the use the etch installer |
| 17:48.35 | karsten | SpComb: Not sure. But Knoppix + gparted will do that. |
| 17:48.41 | abrotman | dan2: does that page make more sense ? |
| 17:48.45 | karsten | SpComb: ... and/or read the install manual. |
| 17:48.47 | dan2 | abrotman: not really |
| 17:48.48 | yuran | hi. how can i configure an interface in /etc/network/interfaces which gets its ip from dhcp, but doesn't overwrite resolv.conf ? |
| 17:48.53 | SpComb | thing is that I don't have a CD drive in this laptop, I only have a USB key |
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| 17:49.02 | SpComb | I got the srage installer onto that and I was able to boot off it though |
| 17:49.13 | yuran | (without ugly hacks like making resolv.conf read only) |
| 17:49.18 | abrotman | dan2: i think .. the +2 - 110 means the team has a 2pt advantage .. pays 110 for each 100 you buy in |
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| 17:49.26 | abrotman | or rather .. youll win $10 |
| 17:49.41 | SpComb | the way I see it, I have to boot knoppix, resize the ntfs partition, install debian, and then turn that into ubuntu |
| 17:49.43 | Greg^lM | karsten: hope not, Amiga os 4.0 is being developed...but it's "other side" I mean they're using hardware called AmigaOne, that cost horrible money;) (done by Eyetech) |
| 17:49.49 | abrotman | dan2: and there's the over/under there alos |
| 17:49.58 | dan2 | abrotman: hmm, ok |
| 17:50.00 | Xteven | hello, what is some good mailinglist software with a web admin interface that doesn't have to run as root ? |
| 17:50.05 | Xteven | but not mailman |
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| 17:50.43 | Greg^lM | karsten: quite complicated as you can see;) |
| 17:51.04 | karsten | Xteven: mailman. |
| 17:51.21 | Xteven | karsten : I don't like mailman :( |
| 17:51.33 | Xteven | is there no mysql+php alternative ? |
| 17:51.35 | dan2 | abrotman: how come debian doesn't have a program that explains all this information after it downloads it from yahoo? |
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| 17:52.00 | Greg^lM | ok, need to go |
| 17:52.02 | abrotman | dan2: because i'd think most people think betting on sports is stupid :) |
| 17:52.03 | karsten | !tell Xteven about search |
| 17:52.06 | Greg^lM | karsten: thx for help! |
| 17:52.07 | karsten | !tell Xteven about popcon |
| 17:52.12 | karsten | Xteven: Have at it. |
| 17:52.13 | karsten | Greg^lM: NP. |
| 17:52.25 | mooseman447 | hey |
| 17:52.27 | dan2 | abrotman: it is stupid, but tradesports.com has the best odds calculations |
| 17:52.27 | Greg^lM | c'ya guys |
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| 17:52.32 | mooseman447 | does debian have a text only mode? |
| 17:52.38 | Charminthemoose | tsk,where are the downloaded archives that you download after configuring apt? |
| 17:52.46 | karsten | mooseman447: Yes. |
| 17:52.47 | Ronin | mooseman447: yes |
| 17:52.57 | abrotman | dan2: but you don't understand it .. so what's the difference |
| 17:53.01 | karsten | Charminthemoose: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 17:53.05 | dan2 | abrotman: I only understand one part |
| 17:53.06 | mooseman447 | im installing debian with floppies over network now but its a old box and a gui would be tooo much for it |
| 17:53.08 | abrotman | where did all the moose come from ? |
| 17:53.29 | karsten | abrotman: a mooserie, duh. |
| 17:53.30 | mooseman447 | wtf lol yea im not the only moose here |
| 17:53.38 | dan2 | that's NFL.GBP@PHI.PHI <-- Odds of Philly expected to win |
| 17:53.48 | dan2 | currently 86% |
| 17:53.50 | mooseman447 | well i think we know which one is cooler.... |
| 17:53.57 | Charminthemoose | urm,karsten:I downloaded alot more than just 55 files,are the rest deleted? |
| 17:53.59 | madclicker | fglrx drives from non-free, how can i make 3d working? |
| 17:54.11 | valdyn | !ati one-liner |
| 17:54.12 | dpkg | [fglrx] add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), but it's in sid only, not in etch, or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 17:54.29 | Charminthemoose | karsten:could it be that i did a apt-get remove old? |
| 17:54.42 | Charminthemoose | i forget the exact command |
| 17:54.42 | mooseman447 | does debian have wget built in? |
| 17:54.47 | abrotman | dan2: yeah .. but the rest is easy too .. |
| 17:54.48 | Charminthemoose | to delete old archives |
| 17:54.58 | abrotman | why am i discussing betting ... |
| 17:54.58 | valdyn | mooseman447: eh? |
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| 17:55.10 | madclicker | valdyn, ok, i just did that, build the module and load it, but it still works in 2D, as matter of fact "radeon" from Xorg works better |
| 17:55.11 | karsten | Charminthemoose: 'aptitude autoclean' and 'aptitude clean' will delete stale (obsoleted) and all packages, respectively. |
| 17:55.19 | dan2 | abrotman: all I care is that the Cowboys you saw last night, and two weeks before are delivering ass whoopings |
| 17:55.20 | madclicker | i tought it's 3D enabled |
| 17:55.27 | dan2 | abrotman: second highest scoring game in cowboys history yesterday |
| 17:55.28 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:55.34 | karsten | mooseman447: You can install it. I believe it's typically installed. |
| 17:55.40 | karsten | mooseman447: You've read the Debian faq? |
| 17:55.49 | mooseman447 | ummm maybe i read it.... |
| 17:55.52 | karsten | !tell mooseman447 about pdo |
| 17:55.55 | valdyn | madclicker: /var/log/Xorg.0.log read yet? |
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| 17:56.00 | Ronin | that would be a no then mooseman447 :) |
| 17:56.24 | dan2 | abrotman: and remember, "In the Sky, there are the Eagles, but the Stars always fly higher and deep into the night" |
| 17:56.31 | mooseman447 | i usually use ubuntu but they dont have a floppy network install like debain |
| 17:56.45 | abrotman | dan2: no more drugs for you .. get ready to go to services! |
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| 17:58.18 | dan2 | abrotman: the holy ceremony of "Cheez-its" |
| 17:58.29 | madclicker | valdyn, "driver needs X.org 6.8.x.y with x.y >= 99.8" am on etch, how sad is that? |
| 17:58.35 | eml | Hi, I just installed Debian Sarge on my router pc, and I'd want to get this baby giving all other computers IPs. Is there any manual I could confront about setting up a DHCP-server? |
| 17:58.37 | madclicker | detected X.org 7.0.0.0 |
| 17:58.39 | abrotman | dan2: no services for you tonight or last night ? |
| 17:58.43 | dan2 | nope |
| 17:58.58 | valdyn | madclicker: where did you get the driver you used from? |
| 17:59.16 | madclicker | valdyn, debian repos for etch |
| 17:59.17 | dan2 | abrotman: time to go get a Coke, I'll brb |
| 17:59.57 | eml | !tell me about dhcp |
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| 17:59.58 | valdyn | madclicker: maybe that issue is already on bugs.debian.org. You can generate debs with atis installer at ati.com |
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| 18:00.10 | valdyn | madclicker: those should support xorg >=7.0 i bet |
| 18:00.12 | mooseman447 | the text mode of debian would run on a 75mhz packard bell right? |
| 18:00.21 | Charminthemoose | mmm 2.6 kernel goodness |
| 18:00.29 | Blissex | mooseman447: yes... |
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| 18:00.39 | valdyn | mooseman447: no, probably not, depends on the cpu |
| 18:00.45 | eml | Hmm, is there even a dhcp-server available in the sources? :P |
| 18:00.54 | Blissex | mooseman447: there are however severe restrictions as to the amount of RAM. |
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| 18:01.07 | mooseman447 | lol i cant think of anything else for the old box besides linux |
| 18:01.08 | laurence_ | eml: try apt-cache search dpkg |
| 18:01.11 | Blissex | mooseman447: the installer needs quite a bit of RAM to do its work. |
| 18:01.28 | Blissex | mooseman447: there are a few distros specifically designed for old PCs. |
| 18:01.40 | mooseman447 | its in low memory according to what it said before |
| 18:01.41 | Blissex | mooseman447: some are Debian derived. Wait a sec for a link. |
| 18:01.58 | mooseman447 | its 78% with installing debian base system |
| 18:02.04 | mooseman447 | my $1 nic somehow worked |
| 18:02.09 | madclicker | valdyn, thanks |
| 18:02.13 | Blissex | mooseman447: http://polishlinux.org/choose/linux-on-old-hardware/ |
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| 18:02.51 | eml | laurence_, Didn't find anything interesting there either |
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| 18:03.04 | pipeline | mooseman447: Why use a 1$ NIC when you can get a 3com or Intel for 4-5$ on ebay |
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| 18:03.23 | jelly | mooseman447: if you're trying to install with 64MB RAM or less, you're going to experience lots of swapping and dpkg (installer) working very slow. |
| 18:03.38 | mooseman447 | its a realtek i got from a hamfest |
| 18:04.07 | pipeline | mooseman447: throw it away and buy a real NIC on ebay :P |
| 18:04.19 | jelly | pipeline: why? if it works, it works |
| 18:04.24 | mooseman447 | lol and im going to try to run boinc on the old box |
| 18:04.28 | pipeline | jelly: Because it doesn't work. |
| 18:04.39 | dan2 | abrotman: 2 shootings in the same day!??!?!?!?: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/02/lasvegas.schools.ap/index.html |
| 18:04.53 | jelly | pipeline: [s]he just said it worked. |
| 18:04.55 | abrotman | i blame canada |
| 18:05.06 | dererk[w] | if I run "aptitude install" just like that, and it tries to remove some packages, what could that be? |
| 18:05.19 | abrotman | dan2: see .. if there were more jewish kids in nevada .. wouldn't be an issue |
| 18:05.20 | mooseman447 | pipeline its working right now |
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| 18:05.33 | dan2 | abrotman: uhh? |
| 18:05.41 | abrotman | what's today? |
| 18:05.45 | dan2 | yom kippur |
| 18:05.51 | jelly | pipeline: I know that rtl8139 is junk and doesn't work well on high load, but is ok for a machine that's slow anyway. |
| 18:05.55 | dan2 | abrotman: good point |
| 18:06.05 | dan2 | abrotman: they'd attack the synagogues then |
| 18:06.07 | abrotman | dan2: why do you have off school? "In-service" is a nice coverup :) |
| 18:06.12 | tarzeau | !monday |
| 18:06.13 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 18:06.16 | dan2 | abrotman: actually this year it's declared as a holiday |
| 18:06.18 | mooseman447 | yea im off school today |
| 18:06.19 | dererk[w] | jetscreamer, any idea? |
| 18:06.24 | dan2 | abrotman: tomorrow is inservice day |
| 18:06.57 | jelly | !tuesday |
| 18:06.58 | dpkg | [tuesday] soylent green day |
| 18:07.01 | jelly | wtf? |
| 18:07.05 | jelly | why? |
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| 18:07.57 | mooseman447 | hmmmm i found air soft bullets in one of my cases from my brothers gun.... |
| 18:08.00 | eml | Anyone? I need some guidance on how to set up this router properly. :P |
| 18:08.03 | madclicker | valdyn, ati.com is also 6.8 Xorg |
| 18:08.37 | valdyn | madclicker: their website is misleading, let me look... |
| 18:08.40 | eml | Could squid perhaps be a dhcp-server? |
| 18:09.04 | valdyn | madclicker: 6.8 is just for the rpms, but im looking .. |
| 18:09.13 | madclicker | valdyn, bonus, ati is consistant as usual |
| 18:09.24 | madclicker | bah |
| 18:10.23 | valdyn | madclicker: you want the "ATI Driver Installer", the stuf with the X Version in front is rpms that are of no use for you |
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| 18:10.38 | random | Hey. |
| 18:10.42 | random | How do I change the domain name of my system? |
| 18:10.47 | valdyn | madclicker: that installer can generate debs |
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| 18:11.30 | madclicker | valdyn, oh, thanks for your input |
| 18:11.45 | abrotman | random: /etc/mailname or something like that |
| 18:11.48 | abrotman | !mailname |
| 18:11.52 | abrotman | !domain name |
| 18:11.52 | dpkg | Edit /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf to set your DNS domain name. Edit /etc/defaultdomain to set your NIS domain name (and see "man domainname" and /usr/share/doc/nis/nis.debian.howto.gz). |
| 18:11.56 | random | Thanks. |
| 18:11.56 | abrotman | !domainname |
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| 18:12.38 | random | hmm, abrotman, mailname just shows localhost at local domain |
| 18:12.41 | random | *localdomain |
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| 18:12.58 | random | oh, Ididn't see that second part, thanks. |
| 18:13.01 | cr3 | is there a way to have the system clock always sync'ed with the hardware clock? |
| 18:13.56 | dererk[w] | :-( |
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| 18:16.33 | karsten | cr3: man hwclock |
| 18:16.42 | karsten | cr3: Generally you sync it on boot. |
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| 18:17.48 | dye_ | which package contains "ipconfig" ? |
| 18:17.57 | karsten | !tell dye_ about search |
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| 18:18.15 | karsten | dye_: ... and IIRC it's Windows XP. |
| 18:18.18 | karsten | dye_: You're looking for ifconfig |
| 18:18.26 | dwu | ctrl + alt + f1 stop working for me in X |
| 18:18.34 | dwu | how can i fix it? |
| 18:18.39 | karsten | dwu: can you chvt (as root)? |
| 18:18.47 | karsten | dwu: ... and/or did you remap any keyboard keys? |
| 18:18.58 | dwu | karsten: i think something remapped the keyboard keys |
| 18:18.59 | dye_ | ohh im sorry oO |
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| 18:19.03 | mhall | Where can I get the grammar used to specify command line options in manual pages? I need to make a proper usage message for a CLI utility. |
| 18:19.04 | dye_ | you are right :) |
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| 18:19.21 | karsten | dye_: I'm used to it ;-) |
| 18:19.35 | karsten | mhall: coffee. |
| 18:19.49 | amphi | mhall: basically, <foo> is required, [foo] is optional |
| 18:19.59 | eml | Well, I've finally installed a DHCP-server, but have absolutely NO idea on how to set it up :) |
| 18:20.03 | karsten | mhall: Not sure there's a standard. |
| 18:20.19 | mhall | amphi: but what about when you have to have either foo or bar but not foo and bar |
| 18:20.25 | karsten | mhall: See tar for a decent synopsis |
| 18:20.36 | mhall | amphi: like if i have this snmp utility with a get mode and a set mode and you can't do both at once |
| 18:20.38 | karsten | mhall: cmd foo | bar |
| 18:21.03 | Bhavesh | coffee sounds good to me |
| 18:21.06 | amphi | mhall: <foo | bar> I guess |
| 18:21.06 | Bhavesh | lemme go get some |
| 18:21.28 | mhall | k cool |
| 18:21.32 | karsten | mhall: cmd --mandatory-exlusive-a | --mandatory-exclusive-b < --optional-arg > |
| 18:21.43 | cr3 | karsten: thanks, but I was looking for a way to permanently link the system clock to the hardware clock. it seems that the system clock is going too fast when run within vmware, but the hardware clock looks fine |
| 18:21.45 | karsten | mhall: cmd --mandatory-exlusive-a | --mandatory-exclusive-b [ --optional-arg ] |
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| 18:21.51 | karsten | mhall: square braces, not angles. |
| 18:22.00 | amphi | mhall: you can also have stuff like [foo [bar]] , [foo <bar>] and so on |
| 18:22.09 | karsten | cr3: what's the vmware host? |
| 18:22.17 | mooseman447 | is the default debian install text or gui? |
| 18:22.27 | esters | text |
| 18:22.34 | mooseman447 | good |
| 18:22.35 | karsten | mooseman447: You don't get a GUI unless you install an X server and environment. |
| 18:22.54 | karsten | mooseman447: So default == text. Mind, you can install a full X environment at install if you wish. |
| 18:23.07 | cr3 | karsten: ubuntu |
| 18:23.09 | karsten | cr3: Is this vmware under Linux or Windows? |
| 18:23.10 | mooseman447 | no i dont want a gui because its a 75mhz box |
| 18:23.30 | karsten | cr3: OK. There's issues with vmware's timekeeping on 'Doze. Not enough clock ticks. |
| 18:23.38 | cr3 | karsten: I've read plenty of documentation from vmware about solving this problem, but none if it works. the system clock on the guests are always gaining time :( |
| 18:23.57 | abrotman | blackbox! |
| 18:24.10 | karsten | cr3: Run ntpd |
| 18:24.16 | random | !domainname |
| 18:24.16 | amphi | cr3: I had that problem with qemu - I just run ntpd on the host, and have the guest sync frequently |
| 18:24.22 | random | !domain name |
| 18:24.22 | dpkg | Edit /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf to set your DNS domain name. Edit /etc/defaultdomain to set your NIS domain name (and see "man domainname" and /usr/share/doc/nis/nis.debian.howto.gz). |
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| 18:24.31 | mhall | amphi: now, if get and set (-g and -s) are non-argument, where do i put the word which says what they do |
| 18:24.40 | cr3 | karsten: for example, I have clock=pit as a kernel option and timeSync set to true in my vmx file. I am also running ntpd but the darn thing is gaining time quicker than ntp can sync it |
| 18:24.44 | karsten | cr3: ... or if the clock skew is too fast, one of the other ntp daemons. ntp itself assumes a relatively accurate clock. |
| 18:24.48 | mhall | amphi: normally this would be something like -f FILE... but that only works if you have an arg |
| 18:24.49 | karsten | cr3: Right. |
| 18:24.55 | random | !host name |
| 18:25.18 | karsten | cr3: chrony |
| 18:25.21 | amphi | mhall: you explain it in the man page ;) |
| 18:25.30 | cr3 | karsten: cool, I'll try chrony. thanks for the suggestion, much appreciated! |
| 18:25.55 | mhall | amphi: this is a usage message though |
| 18:25.56 | karsten | cr3: I *think* that allows more drastic clock slew than pure ntpd. |
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| 18:26.21 | karsten | mhall: This is also where a *good* "EXAMPLES" section is *crucial*. |
| 18:26.50 | amphi | mhall: use long options --get --set ;) |
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| 18:27.27 | cr3 | karsten: well, it's certainly worth a try, I suspect it only takes a minute to install and configure :) |
| 18:27.46 | karsten | cr3: Right. |
| 18:28.04 | mooseman447 | wow if you call the ny public library they will research questions for you |
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| 18:28.45 | SpComb | whee, the GParted USB thingie works perfectly, I now have 20GB of space for linux |
| 18:29.05 | karsten | mooseman447: Yep. Done that for years. |
| 18:29.05 | mhall | karsten: yeah my usages are so verbose you have to scroll |
| 18:29.10 | karsten | mooseman447: ... erm, they, not me. |
| 18:29.12 | mhall | karsten: so don't worry *too* much |
| 18:29.25 | karsten | mhall: Good ;-) |
| 18:29.39 | mhall | amphi: i'm going with '<-g (get) | -s (set)>' for now, does that seem OK |
| 18:29.52 | mhall | amphi: btw it's java so i don't really want to have to mess with getopt_long type stuff |
| 18:30.02 | mhall | amphi: getting plaing gnu.getopt to work was hard enough |
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| 18:30.34 | amphi | mhall: it's comprehensible, I think |
| 18:31.05 | Charminthemoose | i have a number of swap files in /mnt/hda1/swap can i activate them all by issuing the command 'swapon /mnt/hda1/swap/*'? |
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| 18:31.32 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Yes. |
| 18:31.34 | amphi | mhall: you could look at ls --help for a different idea |
| 18:32.13 | karsten | Charminthemoose: The glob expands in the shell before being passed on to the command, so what you're actually issuing is "swapon /mnt/hda1/swap/<file1> /mnt/hda/swap/<file2> ..." |
| 18:32.21 | karsten | Charminthemoose: ... a list of swapfiles. |
| 18:32.47 | eml | Doesn't anyone have a clue on how to set up a dhcp-server? |
| 18:33.00 | amphi | eml: no, no one does |
| 18:33.12 | eml | :p |
| 18:34.17 | disasm | hey all, I have a basic tarball currently that can be extracted into / to get all the files I need onto a system. I'd like to make this tarball a deb file, so it's easy to "undo" if I want to remove these config files, etc... all the stuff I'm reading about dpkg-deb refers to something that has a Makefile to generate, anyone got a link to point me at? |
| 18:34.30 | amphi | eml: install dhcp or dhcp3-server |
| 18:34.55 | eml | amphi, I have done that, the problem is configuring it |
| 18:35.06 | cydork | disasm, i think stow is a better option than creating a deb file |
| 18:35.30 | disasm | cydork: stow? |
| 18:35.40 | amphi | eml: dhcpd has good man pages IIRC |
| 18:35.55 | cydork | !stow |
| 18:35.56 | dpkg | from memory, stow is a nifty program used to manage /usr/local/ hierarchy -- it keeps all programs seperate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game |
| 18:36.00 | disasm | cydork: no, i don't think thats what I want |
| 18:36.03 | eml | amphi, Well sure, but I don't understand half of it |
| 18:36.55 | abrotman | !checkinstall |
| 18:36.55 | dpkg | hmm... checkinstall is a program that keeps track of all files installed by a "make install" or equivalent, creates a Slackware, RPM, or Debian package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ |
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| 18:38.04 | bigh25 | Is there a way to know with what version of gcc was my debian kernel compiled? |
| 18:38.26 | stew | bigh25: cat /proc/version |
| 18:38.38 | stew | (for the currently running kernel) |
| 18:38.44 | bigh25 | stew: you're the man :-) |
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| 18:41.07 | abrotman | stew: you're responsible for every child on the face of the planet! |
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| 18:42.37 | stew | o/~ ...but the kid is not my son o/~ |
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| 18:43.16 | Bertram | stew : Mickael jacks* ? |
| 18:43.34 | Skrylar | "hey guyz i just dled mandrake 9 from kazaa n i cant install it like i burned it and theirs no setup.exe or somethin on the cd" -- GregorR-W |
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| 18:44.31 | stew | Skrylar: please keep it on topic |
| 18:44.48 | Skrylar | stew: lol |
| 18:44.54 | Skrylar | Gregor told me to say that |
| 18:45.00 | stew | Skrylar: do you have a debian related question? |
| 18:45.06 | Skrylar | Nah, I'ma go actually |
| 18:45.10 | GregorR-W | Pff. |
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| 18:45.23 | stew | GregorR-W: do you have a debian related question? |
| 18:45.31 | GregorR-W | Nope 8-D |
| 18:45.38 | GregorR-W | I'm just going to idle though ;) |
| 18:46.28 | Bertram | At least, he's right. There's no setup.exe in the mandrake cd ... |
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| 18:48.38 | porkpie1 | Can anyone tell me where I can find a PERC 5/i raid controller driver please |
| 18:48.38 | dan2 | abrotman: do you know anything like quickbooks for linux |
| 18:49.00 | abrotman | sql-ledger or gnucash |
| 18:49.50 | xopher | anyone know how I can generate a sha1 password for myself? |
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| 18:51.55 | itchi | Can we not download the movies of the debconf6? I not find these on http://debconf6.debconf.org/ |
| 18:51.57 | karsten | dan2: gnucash |
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| 18:52.25 | Bhavesh | how does it compare to quickbooks? i have not used either |
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| 18:53.05 | dan2 | karsten: is there any easy way to create billing invoices in this thing? |
| 18:53.13 | karsten | dan2: nfc |
| 18:53.18 | dan2 | huh? |
| 18:53.21 | karsten | dan2: ... but I'd hope so. |
| 18:53.24 | karsten | !nfc |
| 18:53.24 | dpkg | it has been said that nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
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| 18:56.31 | neko_ | i will switch from debian to ubuntu (mainly because i just broke my debian) will i encounter problems , |
| 18:56.51 | karsten | neko_: /join #ubuntu |
| 18:56.51 | valdyn | !tell neko_ -about smart questions |
| 18:56.55 | aeroSoul | lol |
| 18:57.00 | [Hazard] | :') |
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| 18:57.07 | stew | neko_: we dont' have a way to predict what problems you may encounter |
| 18:57.12 | Charminthemoose | is it possible to convert .sxw file formats into windows readable formats? |
| 18:57.29 | karsten | Charminthemoose: What's .swx? OO? |
| 18:57.36 | valdyn | Charminthemoose: openoffice exists for windows too |
| 18:57.45 | cydork | Charminthemoose, save it as xls ? |
| 18:57.46 | Charminthemoose | 'tis open office |
| 18:57.48 | karsten | Charminthemoose: "save as" feature, or what valdyn said. |
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| 18:58.17 | abrotman | MOOSE! |
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| 18:58.46 | Charminthemoose | i like mooses |
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| 18:59.10 | karsten | Charminthemoose: mooses in spruces? |
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| 19:00.03 | Charminthemoose | I dunno where i came up with it,but meh |
| 19:00.13 | karsten | Hrm.... |
| 19:00.23 | karsten | What Mac has that Debian doesn't: http://macenstein.com/default/archives/397 |
| 19:00.42 | wols_ | karsten: a steve jobs? |
| 19:00.51 | karsten | wols_: Follow the link. |
| 19:00.59 | karsten | wols_: ... and we've got, um. Ian Murdoch! |
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| 19:01.34 | wols_ | nobody can standa against a RDF in a turtleneck. NO one |
| 19:01.45 | karsten | wols_: RDF? |
| 19:01.46 | wols_ | not even Ian. Well maybe debbie could :) |
| 19:01.56 | wols_ | reality distortion field |
| 19:01.59 | karsten | Dig. |
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| 19:02.09 | Amarande | Dammit |
| 19:02.18 | Amarande | The DNS servers I was using must have closed up shop or something |
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| 19:02.40 | stew | Amarande: your isp should be providing you with DNS servers to use |
| 19:03.16 | Amarande | stew: I had been using 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 since Charter's tended to be plagued with timeouts |
| 19:03.22 | Amarande | of course, now these ones are plagued with timeouts instead :P |
| 19:03.28 | Amarande | This is why I miss my Debian box with its own BIND :P |
| 19:03.40 | devicenull | I get a flickering screen with diagnol lines when the installer starts? |
| 19:04.41 | karsten | devicenull: graphical or text install? Where during the install process? |
| 19:04.47 | karsten | devicenull: If possible, select text mode. |
| 19:05.02 | devicenull | first menu, the splash screen is fine |
| 19:05.02 | stew | Amarande: those name servers used to have PTRs to "get.your.own.dns.server.gtei.net" or something |
| 19:05.15 | devicenull | when it asks me to select country, it starts flickering |
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| 19:05.44 | devicenull | how do I do a text mode install? |
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| 19:06.37 | stew | devicenull: can you do it via serial? |
| 19:06.39 | karsten | devicenull: Is that screen text or GUI? Text on a blue field, no gui elements, would be "text". |
| 19:06.40 | stew | devicenull: or use debootstrap? |
| 19:07.09 | devicenull | okay, it's text |
| 19:07.14 | devicenull | stew, no serial port |
| 19:07.28 | karsten | devicenull: I'd suspect HW issues. |
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| 19:08.34 | devicenull | karsten, in a way, it has HW issues |
| 19:08.42 | karsten | devicenull: ?? |
| 19:09.17 | seto | hi all, I have do some mistake with my debian system, now I want to reinstall all my package (because I remove /usr/share/doc/ .. ), so I think the best way is to get a list of all package, purge all this package, and reinstall .. do you know a best way to reinstall alll /usr/share/doc ? |
| 19:09.17 | devicenull | er, its drivers |
| 19:09.18 | devicenull | the drivers for my video card suck |
| 19:09.23 | devicenull | the HW is fine. |
| 19:09.25 | devicenull | windows ran fine |
| 19:09.52 | karsten | seto: If you're going to do stupid shit like blowing away major parts of your filesystem please reinstall Windows and leave us in peace. |
| 19:10.21 | sepski | !reinstall |
| 19:10.21 | dpkg | somebody said reinstall was COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 19:10.28 | devicenull | there we go, debian-installer/framebuffer=false |
| 19:10.32 | devicenull | flickering is gone |
| 19:10.43 | karsten | devicenull: ah, yeah, no fb should help. |
| 19:10.47 | seto | sepski: thanks |
| 19:11.17 | karsten | devicenull: 'vga=6' may give you a bit more real estate on the install w/o getting into framebuffer crud. |
| 19:11.24 | Amarande | karsten, that sort of talk does not encourage Linux newbies to choose Debian |
| 19:11.35 | karsten | Amarande: Some people shouldn't be encouraged. |
| 19:11.42 | Amarande | karsten: next thing he'll choose Ubuntu and come here for help :P |
| 19:11.43 | devicenull | the screen I'm using is limited to 1024x786 |
| 19:11.46 | karsten | Amarande: Look at what he did. |
| 19:12.01 | karsten | devicenull: vga=6 == 60 rows x 80 cols, VGA. |
| 19:12.03 | Amarande | At least he actually HAS a Debian box. :) |
| 19:12.07 | Ronin | Amarande: some shouldn't even have a computer :) |
| 19:12.10 | karsten | Amarande: This may not be a good thing. |
| 19:12.14 | wols_ | http://macenstein.com/default/archives/397 |
| 19:12.33 | devicenull | meh, this works, I'd rather not restart |
| 19:12.40 | devicenull | tired of switching the nextwork cable around |
| 19:12.41 | cydork | wols_, huh? not bad pic btw :P |
| 19:12.48 | karsten | devicenull: NP, just a suggestion. |
| 19:12.49 | seto | !clean |
| 19:12.49 | dpkg | clean is, like, a programming language and is at http://www.cs.kun.nl/~clean |
| 19:12.53 | devicenull | I have to boot the debian installer via PXE |
| 19:13.00 | devicenull | which is awesome, now that I got it working |
| 19:13.09 | karsten | devicenull: pxe is pretty sweet. |
| 19:13.11 | Amarande | Video card works fine in Linux but freezes the system at varying intervals in Windows during certain activity. Drivers in both OSes are OK. BIOS? |
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| 19:13.49 | devicenull | Amarande, you sure its the video card? |
| 19:13.58 | devicenull | I had similar issues with an IDE controler until I updated my bios |
| 19:14.07 | Amarande | devicenull, replacing the original video card made it OK again |
| 19:14.20 | Amarande | and the video card itself works OK in things like 3D stress tests |
| 19:14.37 | devicenull | .. |
| 19:14.38 | karsten | Amarande: are both cards identical? |
| 19:14.50 | Amarande | karsten: old was a GeForce 6600, new is a GeForce 7900 |
| 19:14.52 | karsten | Amarande: ... other than functioning? |
| 19:14.54 | Amarande | 7900 GT, to be specific |
| 19:14.59 | devicenull | install stopped at "Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386-Packages.." |
| 19:15.02 | devicenull | er nm |
| 19:15.03 | devicenull | just slow |
| 19:15.07 | Amarande | also, I have a Radeon X1600 that also worked only outside of Windows |
| 19:15.08 | karsten | Amarande: Well, I'd suggest that it might be a driver mismatch. |
| 19:15.13 | karsten | devicenull: Patience, son. |
| 19:15.15 | devicenull | I keep forgetting this is an old laptop |
| 19:15.17 | kristalino | i asked dpkg, when upgrading from sarge to etch, is it mandatory to remove all sarge lines in sources.list ? |
| 19:15.29 | karsten | devicenull: ... and you're going to be snarfing a lot of data off teh Intarweb. |
| 19:15.37 | karsten | kristalino: no. |
| 19:15.40 | devicenull | <-- university connection. |
| 19:15.49 | devicenull | lots of bandwidth |
| 19:15.53 | karsten | kristalino: Absent pinning, the most recent archive wins. |
| 19:15.54 | Amarande | Fact that the 3D tests pass and Linux hasn't got problems suggests the CARDS are ok |
| 19:15.58 | Amarande | No bad driver files either |
| 19:15.59 | karsten | devicenull: Lots of use, too. |
| 19:16.05 | Amarande | Gotta be BIOS, this motherboard should fix it then |
| 19:16.07 | karsten | devicenull: ... unless it's 6pm Friday night. |
| 19:16.25 | devicenull | or during the weekend at my school |
| 19:16.44 | kristalino | karsten, thanks. Is it usefull to keep old sarge lines > |
| 19:16.45 | kristalino | ? |
| 19:17.11 | karsten | kristalino: occasionally you may find packages only available in sarge. In general, no, you don't need them. |
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| 19:17.25 | karsten | kristalino: Odds are that the old stuff won't be installable anyway (libc6 changes). |
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| 19:25.15 | trelane_ | are there any test/beta releases of 4.0 yet? |
| 19:25.28 | karsten | trelane_: testing/unstable |
| 19:25.33 | trelane_ | karsten, installation media |
| 19:25.42 | karsten | trelane_: ^^ |
| 19:25.52 | trelane_ | fair enough |
| 19:26.06 | simonrvn | etch d-i stuff; there's a gtk d-i if you wanna test it |
| 19:26.20 | stew | trelane_: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 19:26.55 | Malagmyr | Bash on my SID box doesn't seem to listen to \W in $PS1. It still replaces the home directory with a tilde, as if it was \w |
| 19:27.01 | trelane_ | actually I'm more interested in starting with a 2.6 kerenl |
| 19:27.01 | Malagmyr | What can I do about that? |
| 19:27.24 | Amarande | karsten: so it's definite then that Sarge will be 4.0 and not 3.2? |
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| 19:27.42 | disasm | Amarande: you mean etch? |
| 19:27.47 | Amarande | yeah, I mean etch |
| 19:27.48 | Amarande | heh |
| 19:27.53 | simonrvn | trelane_: linux26 or expert26 |
| 19:27.55 | trelane_ | Amarande, I've seen etch solely referred to as 4.0 because of the new kernel I guess |
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| 19:28.22 | disasm | trelane_: is etch defaulting 2.6? |
| 19:28.29 | karsten | Malagmyr: export PS1 |
| 19:28.31 | h3sp4wn | trelane_: There is a backported installer for sarge with 2.6.16 |
| 19:28.48 | karsten | Amarande: Dunno, haven't been following it closely. |
| 19:29.13 | cydork | !etch |
| 19:29.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 19:29.30 | karsten | Amarande: My understanding is that major version changes indicate significant under-the-hood changes, generally libc6. Kernel wouldn't do it. |
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| 19:29.51 | Malagmyr | karsten: I've done so. I'm setting it in my .bashrc. I can clearly see the prompt reacting to changes, it just wont separate W from w. Removing w, for instance, gives the expected result. |
| 19:30.22 | karsten | Malagmyr: Odd. |
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| 19:30.29 | karsten | Malagmyr: 'echo $PS1' |
| 19:30.30 | Malagmyr | karsten: yep |
| 19:30.58 | Malagmyr | karsten: \[\033[0;31m\]\u\[\033[0;37m\]@\[\033[0;31m\]\h\[\033[0;37m\]:\[\033[0;31m\]\W\[\033[0;37m\]\$\[\033[0;37m\] |
| 19:31.01 | eml | Looks like I need some more help, after finally finding how to tell dhcpd3-server to use eth1, I noticed that eth1 doesn't show up when I do ifconfig... I guess it should? |
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| 19:31.21 | trelane_ | karsten, new compiler (3.4) new glibc (2.4) new kernel (as default (2.6) |
| 19:31.25 | Malagmyr | karsten: yes, I like red. I tried putting W in the standard prompt too, but with the same result, I'm afraid. |
| 19:31.31 | trelane_ | err compiler is 3.1 |
| 19:31.53 | Amarande | eml: dead ethernet card? |
| 19:32.03 | simonrvn | er, probably 4.1 ;) |
| 19:32.06 | Amarande | kernel modules not loaded? |
| 19:32.07 | karsten | Malagmyr: FYI, my \W == ~ for $HOME |
| 19:32.16 | Amarande | Whatever happened to GCC 3, anyway? |
| 19:32.26 | Amarande | When I was last majorly into Linux it was all about 2.7.2.3 and 2.95 |
| 19:32.30 | Amarande | Now it's all about GCC 4 |
| 19:32.36 | karsten | Malagmyr: ... which per bash(1) is specified behavior. |
| 19:32.38 | Amarande | did GCC 3 stink to high heaven like MS-DOS 5? :P |
| 19:32.45 | eml | Amarande, Nope, I'm sure it works |
| 19:32.53 | Amarande | or was that DOS 4 everyone hated ... heh |
| 19:33.13 | karsten | Malagmyr: both \w and \W give ~ for $HOME. |
| 19:33.32 | myren | post the gcc egcs 2.95 era, everything got much closer to just working |
| 19:34.06 | Malagmyr | karsten: gah. they don't on any of my sarge boxes. i hate it when they change such things |
| 19:34.14 | mooseman447 | i know this isnt the best place to ask but does anybody know a boinc type project for very old computers |
| 19:34.17 | Amarande | Yeah, but it seems like GCC 3 hardly got used at all before 4 came out |
| 19:34.46 | Amarande | I think 3 and EGCS introduced Pentium optimizations |
| 19:34.51 | Amarande | what was 4's special new thing? |
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| 19:35.18 | karsten | mooseman447: boinc? |
| 19:35.18 | myren | gc 3 is very heavily used. |
| 19:35.20 | cydork | mooseman447, frankly very old comps are not used for that kind of thing :) |
| 19:35.29 | myren | gcc3 is still the only gcc which will build many embedded systems |
| 19:35.43 | cydork | karsten, it's framework for something like seti@home, lhc@home |
| 19:35.44 | mooseman447 | hmmm what i should use a 75mhz box for then? |
| 19:35.52 | myren | gcc4 was a rebuild to me more modular. but its not very heavily optimized yet. |
| 19:35.56 | asg | stew: one woody down, 2 to go |
| 19:35.56 | abrotman | streaming ascii porn |
| 19:35.58 | knoxy | how to install qt3 without remove kde? |
| 19:36.09 | cydork | mooseman447, natbox :) |
| 19:36.11 | knoxy | I need a 'qmake' |
| 19:36.14 | asg | abrotman: he could run a mud server |
| 19:36.28 | mooseman447 | what is natbox? |
| 19:36.33 | karsten | mooseman447: what cydork said. A very small number of current fast boxes stands in for a lot of old crud. |
| 19:36.39 | karsten | mooseman447: Doorstop. |
| 19:36.52 | stew | asg: i don't need to know if your woody is down or not, thanks :P |
| 19:36.56 | CHodapp | mooseman447, x86? |
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| 19:36.56 | karsten | mooseman447: ... or gw/firewall. |
| 19:36.58 | Charminthemoose | question knoxy:why would you want to install qt3? |
| 19:37.27 | asg | stew: hehe, true |
| 19:37.27 | knoxy | Charminthemoose, to compiling motorola tools for linux (moto4lin) |
| 19:38.01 | Charminthemoose | cool |
| 19:38.03 | knoxy | Charminthemoose, I need a qmake |
| 19:38.48 | mooseman447 | karsten i already have a smoothwall box running |
| 19:38.49 | abrotman | asg: router? wifi AP, fileserver .. all kinds of stuff! |
| 19:39.01 | asg | abrotman: indeed |
| 19:39.06 | abrotman | asg: fax server! |
| 19:39.10 | abrotman | asg: dns server! |
| 19:39.18 | asg | abrotman: all of the above in one |
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| 19:39.21 | abrotman | asg: cracking md5s! |
| 19:39.27 | Malagmyr | karsten: according to this http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#SEC83 \W is supposed to produce the basename of $PWD. How can I get this in the new version or whatever? |
| 19:39.42 | madclicker | does anyone know how i can install ati's radeon drivers after build? |
| 19:39.50 | Charminthemoose | <dr evil>THrow me a frickin' qmake here,i'm the boss,need the info</dr evil> |
| 19:40.08 | knoxy | how can I do to install qmake? |
| 19:40.11 | Malagmyr | karsten: it seems very illogical to have two special characters that do exactly the same |
| 19:40.24 | cydork | !tell knoxy about search |
| 19:40.32 | abrotman | wtf do you need qmake for? |
| 19:40.34 | eyeris | make-kpkg complains that UTS release version = 2.6.18-dv1 while "the current version" = ..-dv1. It tells me to fix this, but I don't know how to fix it. I invoked it with this command: "make-kpkg --bzimage --initrd --append_to_version=-dv1 kernel_image". |
| 19:40.45 | eyeris | How do I fix "the current version" |
| 19:40.45 | abrotman | fix it! |
| 19:40.46 | eyeris | ? |
| 19:40.59 | zinx | Mal: pretty sure they're not exactly the same |
| 19:41.11 | simonrvn | !fix current version |
| 19:41.14 | zinx | Malagmyr: one may expand other users' home or something |
| 19:41.17 | cydork | eyeris, coz it's a no i guess! |
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| 19:41.37 | Malagmyr | zinx: huh? |
| 19:41.52 | mooseman447 | how could i download and install apache2 with debian? |
| 19:41.53 | zinx | Malagmyr: \w vs. \W |
| 19:42.03 | simonrvn | with apt-get |
| 19:42.13 | zinx | Malagmyr: oh, one only shows the basename |
| 19:42.18 | mooseman447 | apt-get what? |
| 19:42.35 | asg | mooseman447: apt-cache search apache2 |
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| 19:42.40 | eyeris | Also, how do I run make-kpkg without recompiling the entire kenel? i.e. I just want it to pick up where it left off, like make does. |
| 19:42.44 | abrotman | eyeris: give it a different append to version |
| 19:42.52 | Malagmyr | zinx: well, it's SUPPOSED TO... or, rather, WAS supposed to. according to karsten, they now do exactly the same, which I find very confusing. I want the basename |
| 19:43.22 | mooseman447 | what about ssh server? |
| 19:43.32 | asg | mooseman447: apt-cache search ssh |
| 19:43.35 | eyeris | abrotman, I've tried that. same thing with "myversion" |
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| 19:43.39 | asg | mooseman447: do you see a pattern here? |
| 19:43.51 | Malagmyr | mooseman447: give "apt-get install apache2 ssh" a try |
| 19:44.05 | mooseman447 | yea but the problem is when i search it scrolls to fast and i cant scroll up |
| 19:44.11 | asg | mooseman447: man less |
| 19:44.21 | Malagmyr | mooseman447: or shift+pageup |
| 19:44.21 | cydork | eyeris, did you try with some no? |
| 19:44.22 | asg | mooseman447: you should go buy a book on unix basics also |
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| 19:44.46 | eyeris | cydork, do, but I'm abouit to try with the dpkg <kp mantra> command |
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| 19:45.47 | eyeris | ttyl, going to run some errands while this compiles... again |
| 19:45.55 | laudatus | hi I`m using windows and I?m a complete newbie on linux I don?t want to have this silly kde is there a debian with luna enviroment |
| 19:46.20 | cydork | luna? |
| 19:46.26 | karsten | cydork: Vista deskotp |
| 19:46.30 | karsten | desktop even. |
| 19:46.34 | cydork | eww |
| 19:46.38 | cydork | :P |
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| 19:46.49 | laudatus | ;) |
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| 19:46.59 | karsten | laudatus: Linux desktop environments are themeable. There may well be a Luna theme out there. |
| 19:47.03 | asg | cydork: vista is aero, luna is the XP thingy |
| 19:47.23 | cydork | asg, oh ok |
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| 19:47.41 | karsten | laudatus: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=155 |
| 19:47.55 | Malagmyr | karsten: according to this http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#SEC83 \W is supposed to produce the basename of $PWD. How can I get this in the new version or whatever? |
| 19:47.57 | Malagmyr | oops. |
| 19:48.12 | Malagmyr | I already said that :) |
| 19:48.17 | amphi | asg: the 'fischer-price iterface'? |
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| 19:48.19 | karsten | Malagmyr: NFC. |
| 19:48.30 | karsten | amphi: No accounting for taste. |
| 19:48.32 | asg | amphi: the cow says ... moooooo |
| 19:48.32 | streuner | asg: look ugly ;-) |
| 19:48.34 | mne | hi. I want to configure my apache2 so text files with a non .txt extention (e.g. .sh) can be viewed with a browser. I guess there is a file that defines all text-file types |
| 19:48.40 | madclicker | does anyone know how i can install ati's radeon drivers after building deb's? |
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| 19:48.45 | mooseman447 | how historical are 75mhz packard bells? |
| 19:48.47 | asg | streuner: haven't seen it myself. |
| 19:48.53 | amphi | karsten: indeed |
| 19:48.56 | karsten | laudatus: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=35897 (GNOME) |
| 19:49.06 | karsten | mooseman447: Very. |
| 19:49.13 | karsten | mooseman447: Figure 1995 or so. |
| 19:49.14 | asg | mooseman447: the fact that you mentioned 'packard bell' should show you how historic they are |
| 19:49.16 | streuner | asg: did you ever see XP ? ;-) |
| 19:49.20 | mooseman447 | well im using one |
| 19:49.36 | mooseman447 | im going to try to run a web server on it |
| 19:49.41 | Malagmyr | mooseman447: You can run DooM on that! |
| 19:49.44 | Malagmyr | almost.. |
| 19:49.48 | abrotman | no .. you can |
| 19:49.53 | abrotman | i ran doom on a 486 |
| 19:49.54 | cydork | mooseman447, or pacman :P |
| 19:50.05 | abrotman | and i bet it can still play a great game of ROTT! |
| 19:50.07 | mooseman447 | lol i want to run pacman that would rock |
| 19:50.10 | karsten | mooseman447: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packard_Bell |
| 19:50.17 | karsten | mooseman447: ... 1930s radio manufacturer. |
| 19:50.17 | mooseman447 | i just went to that wiki article |
| 19:50.28 | Malagmyr | abrotman: I'll hand-of-god you! |
| 19:50.28 | mooseman447 | it still works..... |
| 19:50.37 | abrotman | Malagmyr: i got drunk missles! |
| 19:50.43 | abrotman | and i'm going johnny woo style! |
| 19:50.50 | cydork | abrotman, can you hit me with one. |
| 19:50.58 | asg | streuner: I have it running in a vm so I can do calendary things at work. It's the old 95 compatibility visual though, not the blue horror. |
| 19:51.00 | abrotman | cydork: have you ever played RoTT ? |
| 19:51.03 | Malagmyr | !beer cydork |
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| 19:51.23 | rgl | hi |
| 19:51.26 | abrotman | cydork: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_of_the_Triad |
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| 19:51.47 | cydork | abrotman, oh ok. |
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| 19:52.38 | knoxy | how can I do to install qmake?? |
| 19:52.56 | asg | knoxy: apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search bin/qmake |
| 19:53.03 | cydork | mooseman447, hmm i think it can play duke3d too :P |
| 19:53.09 | karsten | !tell knoxy about package basics |
| 19:53.41 | mooseman447 | is there a port of duke3d to debian? |
| 19:53.41 | esters | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Bsod2.jpg |
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| 19:54.09 | Malagmyr | wooo... PS1=`ls` |
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| 19:54.43 | mooseman447 | lol im going to try to get all my old computers up and running again |
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| 19:55.28 | mooseman447 | hmmm i have an i486 but no pci slots and i dont know if my 1 isa nic will work |
| 19:55.44 | abrotman | it's either ISAPnP .. or jumpered .. |
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| 19:56.04 | Malagmyr | How can I get just the basename of the current directory? pwd doesn't seem to take any options, and always prints the entire path |
| 19:56.09 | karsten | mooseman447: PLIP! |
| 19:56.17 | karsten | mooseman447: $( basename pwd ) |
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| 19:56.52 | karsten | mooseman447: Erm: basename $( pwd ) |
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| 19:57.05 | karsten | mooseman447: ... or $( basename $PWD ) |
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| 19:57.10 | karsten | mooseman447: ... take your pick. |
| 19:57.14 | mooseman447 | ? |
| 19:57.19 | Malagmyr | I take it that was for me :) |
| 19:57.20 | Malagmyr | thanks |
| 19:57.21 | karsten | try it |
| 19:57.35 | karsten | mooseman447: Erm, missfire. Malagmyr ^^ |
| 19:57.48 | mooseman447 | lol i thought you were hacking me or something |
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| 19:58.28 | seto | where to post error about the dpkg bot ? |
| 19:58.35 | cydork | !shoot karsten |
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| 19:58.42 | karsten | seto: Such as? |
| 19:58.56 | abrotman | the bot has an error ? |
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| 19:59.25 | karsten | abrotman: The solution is clear. |
| 19:59.30 | karsten | abrotman: Redefine reality. |
| 19:59.41 | karsten | seto: dpkg *is* the Ultimate Authority. |
| 20:00.01 | mooseman447 | debian doesnt have any firewall built in right? |
| 20:00.06 | cydork | karsten, reality is an illusion created by lack of alcohol :P |
| 20:00.24 | karsten | mooseman447: Not in a default install. OTOH, the only services you run are those you install. Several firewall packages. |
| 20:00.34 | karsten | cydork: ... is for people who can't handle drugs. |
| 20:00.50 | mooseman447 | oops nvm it works |
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| 20:00.54 | cydork | karsten, i dont do no drugs! |
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| 20:01.13 | JB[away] | any apache developer online? |
| 20:01.21 | mooseman447 | http://moose.homelinux.org;8080 |
| 20:01.23 | bob_ | love those double negatives |
| 20:01.24 | seto | not sure it's the bot |
| 20:01.25 | mooseman447 | oops thats a : |
| 20:01.27 | asg | JB[away]: probably in #apache |
| 20:01.28 | seto | !purge |
| 20:01.28 | dpkg | purge is, like, to complete wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package]..or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge $(aptitude search '~c') |
| 20:01.34 | mooseman447 | thats a web server on a 75mhz packard bell woot |
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| 20:01.44 | seto | aptitude purge $(aptitude search '~c') |
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| 20:02.00 | JB[away] | asg: no iดm in #apache, but the distro must fix the bug :) |
| 20:02.04 | karsten | mooseman447: Check out gumstix. |
| 20:02.04 | seto | dont work we need to use aptitude purge $(aptitude search '~c'|cut -f 4 -d ' ') |
| 20:02.10 | asg | JB[away]: then /msg dpkg bts |
| 20:02.17 | karsten | mooseman447: Gumstick-sized computers, running web services. |
| 20:02.26 | mooseman447 | ok |
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| 20:02.32 | mooseman447 | does that page load for you guys? |
| 20:02.32 | seto | or something like that |
| 20:02.42 | abrotman | or something like that ... :) |
| 20:02.47 | bob_ | I am running testing (just upgraded) and want to put in a 586 2.6.17 kernel, but there's no kernel-image -- any idea why? |
| 20:02.52 | bob_ | or where to find one? |
| 20:03.11 | karsten | bob_: i386 |
| 20:03.11 | seto | abrotman: the cut method works fine |
| 20:03.28 | karsten | bob_: 2.6 kernels aren't built for 486/586 arch any more. |
| 20:03.28 | madclicker | hi, is any ati based drivers support xorg 7? |
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| 20:03.37 | karsten | bob_: So build your own or install i386. |
| 20:03.39 | bob_ | oh...how horrible |
| 20:04.04 | bob_ | hrm that's not present either...perhaps the MIT archives don't have it |
| 20:04.24 | Braindead | bob_: linux-image-2.6-486 to be precise |
| 20:04.41 | bob_ | 486....ok |
| 20:04.41 | h3sp4wn | madclicker: fglrx (only in sid) or ati |
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| 20:05.25 | madclicker | h3sp4wn, i downloaded the latest driver from ati, build it installed it and get "driver needs X.org 6.8.x.y with x.y >= 99.8" |
| 20:05.37 | madclicker | wtf? |
| 20:07.10 | Braindead | madclicker: wave your fists toward ATI's HQs general direction. that will help |
| 20:07.11 | h3sp4wn | madclicker: you can either use the fglrx script from kanotix or generate ubuntu/dapper packages (and build the module with module assistant) - or get it from sid |
| 20:07.48 | h3sp4wn | madclicker: are you using etch ? |
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| 20:09.08 | robin__ | Hi there, i've got a question. |
| 20:09.24 | Braindead | robin__: 42 is the answer |
| 20:09.24 | Bhavesh | robin__: ask someone may have an answer |
| 20:09.28 | Bhavesh | hahah |
| 20:09.33 | robin__ | 21 is half the truth! |
| 20:09.36 | abrotman | oh .. questions! |
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| 20:09.50 | Bhavesh | life is like a box of chocolat |
| 20:09.53 | Bhavesh | next question |
| 20:09.55 | Bhavesh | :) |
| 20:10.12 | robin__ | i want to download an iso-image of debian-sid. |
| 20:10.15 | robin__ | how to? |
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| 20:10.35 | Bhavesh | may i ask why do you want to download an iso image of sid? |
| 20:10.45 | karsten | !tell robin__ about di |
| 20:10.45 | robin__ | i didn't see them on the offical site. |
| 20:10.48 | robin__ | oh |
| 20:10.53 | abrotman | you can't |
| 20:10.56 | cydork | robin__, if you have to ask you should not install sid :) |
| 20:10.57 | stew | !sid iso |
| 20:10.57 | abrotman | no such thing exists |
| 20:10.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid iso is a BAD idea. Taking an unsupported snapshot of an unstable system and expecting it to work? Well, hell. You pays your $0 and you takes your chances. You get to keep the pieces and we get to laugh at you. |
| 20:11.00 | seto | I have 372131 file and rep in the database of install package .. how can I reduce this .. |
| 20:11.13 | karsten | robin__: If you're looking for an installer, read what dpkg told you. |
| 20:11.17 | seto | I think I don't use all this files.. |
| 20:11.49 | madclicker | h3sp4wn, i am, but the latest driver from ati only supports xorg 6.9 |
| 20:11.50 | stew | seto: use deborphan or debfoster or the aptitude frontend to help you find packages to uninstall |
| 20:11.53 | madclicker | 6.8 |
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| 20:11.59 | robin__ | kk |
| 20:12.01 | earthian | hello |
| 20:12.24 | robin__ | but i've got a second question. |
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| 20:12.44 | seto | stew: I use deorphan .. and remove all old lib.. but .. toomany file ? how about you ? what is the average of a desktop system ? |
| 20:12.50 | madclicker | Braindead, no fuckin' use, they are pretty useless there. I just called them and the reseller support guy is in the fuckin sky |
| 20:12.52 | karsten | robin__: Sorry, you've used up your quota. |
| 20:12.59 | earthian | how do i make 2 computers connected to my system and a dsl modem interact with each others. so all computers on the network would see each other and all computers would have an internet access? Could someone please guide me throu this? |
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| 20:13.14 | h3sp4wn | madclicker: Latest ati driver supports xorg 7.1 |
| 20:13.24 | karsten | earthian: LAN + NAT |
| 20:13.37 | madclicker | h3sp4wn, where di you get that driver? |
| 20:14.10 | h3sp4wn | madclicker: its the same one you get from ati.com - but its in sid |
| 20:14.16 | karsten | earthian: If your DSL modem is of the standard 4/5 port variety, you should be able to plug everything into it. If not, buy a switch, plug it into the modem (upstream port of switch), and everything else into the switch. |
| 20:14.23 | robin__ | i used ubuntu and there was a package called "nvidia-glx". could i download such a package from the debian-repositorys too? |
| 20:14.23 | enveezee | earthian: so you got one box that is connected to the DSL modem and has two other nics to connect to the other pcs? |
| 20:14.36 | karsten | earthian: Your ISP should provide you additional info on their services/hw |
| 20:15.04 | stew | robin__: yes, but it might be missing from testing at the moment |
| 20:15.19 | robin__ | oh, that's very bad. |
| 20:15.27 | mooseman447 | does apache2 have system requirments? |
| 20:15.35 | stew | seto: try debfoster or aptitude. why do you think it is too many files? |
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| 20:15.38 | karsten | !nvidia one liner |
| 20:15.39 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 20:15.39 | enveezee | mooseman447: yeah it requires a system |
| 20:15.48 | mooseman447 | even a i486 will work? |
| 20:15.49 | karsten | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:15.49 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 20:15.58 | earthian | i do not have a swith neither a router. only a modem. I have 3 network cards which are connected: eth0/1 to 2 computers and eth2 to modem (p.s. that usually changes after a reboot) |
| 20:16.03 | enveezee | mooseman447: keep in mind it all depends on your load average and available memory |
| 20:16.13 | mooseman447 | lol 640k enough ram/ |
| 20:16.14 | robin__ | could i use the glx-package from the ubuntu-repository with debian too? |
| 20:16.33 | enveezee | earthian: so you want to bridge eth0/1 and setup ipmasq |
| 20:16.42 | karsten | Feh. |
| 20:16.52 | madclicker | h3sp4wn, i just dowloaded from ati and build it |
| 20:16.53 | robin__ | it would be very nice to use my graphics-card with debian :( |
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| 20:17.01 | earthian | i have dhcp3 and i know the right dns servers which are outside my pppoe |
| 20:17.08 | earthian | my isp dns |
| 20:17.24 | earthian | i have them in subnet configuration of dhcp |
| 20:17.29 | karsten | earthian: Then *buy* a switch |
| 20:17.35 | robin__ | i want to play neverwinter nights now ;( *sniff* |
| 20:17.37 | enveezee | karsten: ;) |
| 20:17.56 | madclicker | h3sp4wn, ver 8.29.6 |
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| 20:18.15 | karsten | enveezee: ?? |
| 20:18.40 | enveezee | karsten: good call |
| 20:18.52 | karsten | earthian: ... that's the easy solution. Otherwise, read the NAT howto and configure one dual-homed system to bridge your lan and modem/router |
| 20:18.53 | enveezee | karsten: that whole scenario was getting scary |
| 20:18.57 | karsten | enveezee: Yep. |
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| 20:19.58 | h3sp4wn | madclicker: http://kanotix.com/files/install-fglrx-debian.sh (use that) or generate packages for ubuntu/dapper (and build the kernel module with module assistant) or add sid to sources.list and use it straight from there or add sid deb-src and build your own (there is a million ways to sort it out) |
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| 20:21.17 | smacnay | Hi, is there a reasonable method for creating tables/spreadsheet data in something like sc and having that data imported and updated in a latex doc? |
| 20:21.25 | robin__ | I'll try to talk with you again. On the Ubuntu-Repository for "Dapper Drake", there is a package called 'nvidia-glx'. I can run my graphics-card with it very easyly. Could I use this Ubuntu-Package with my Debian Etch too? Would it work? Or will my PC be killed? Please answer! I'm sad 8( |
| 20:21.39 | earthian | karsten, thing is that when i had a configuration of smth like: 3 different dhcp controlled networks, i was able to connect to internet with all my computers however i was not able to share files with the two computers that are not connected directly but throu my box.. is there any way to make them talk even on different networks? (the nics had these addresses: 192.168.0.1 10.0.0.1 192.168.12.1 |
| 20:21.40 | h3sp4wn | robin__: bad idea |
| 20:21.42 | sepski | robin__, no |
| 20:21.43 | cydork | robin__, nope |
| 20:21.48 | smacnay | I am not really willing to jump into an OpenOffice solution as I want to avoid gui if possible. |
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| 20:22.01 | karsten | smacnay: Nothing I'm specifically aware of, but tab/comma delimited export and massage might do it. |
| 20:22.06 | robin__ | humm, i that's bad. |
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| 20:22.11 | smacnay | karsten: massage? |
| 20:22.18 | robin__ | -i |
| 20:22.19 | karsten | earthian: With appropriate routing tables, yes. |
| 20:22.20 | robin__ | fakk |
| 20:22.22 | sepski | robin__, use the nvidia/kernel 2.6.16 thats in etch or build the nvidia using m-a from the sources in sid. |
| 20:22.31 | earthian | ok |
| 20:22.32 | karsten | smacnay: manipulate data to suit needs. "Massaging the data". |
| 20:22.43 | smacnay | karsten: thanks - got it. |
| 20:22.49 | madclicker | h3sp4wn, sweet, thanks |
| 20:22.54 | earthian | maybe you know where i could get more noob-friendly info on iptables? |
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| 20:23.14 | smacnay | karsten: I can always 'read' the table (tab delimited) into the latex file. Not sure if I can do more than that, though. |
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| 20:23.25 | bobmaster | hi someone can tel lme hwo to kill a user session on debian? |
| 20:23.29 | bobmaster | kill command doesnt work for tat ;/ |
| 20:23.42 | h3sp4wn | robin__: /msg dpkg etch nvidia (tells you where to get the packages from the package maintainers site) |
| 20:23.54 | Taube | earthian: yes, you have to enable forwarding |
| 20:23.57 | robin__ | Yes, i've tried it already with the source from the nvidia-website. But I didn't got the right kernel. |
| 20:24.00 | robin__ | ? |
| 20:24.06 | robin__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:24.22 | robin__ | ah! |
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| 20:24.37 | Taube | earthian: # echo 1>/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 20:24.54 | dendrite | bobmaster: pkill -U <uid_of_user> should kill all processes owned by the user, which would end their "session." |
| 20:24.57 | bobmaster | thanks you |
| 20:25.13 | eml | robin__, You want to install something like linux-image-2.6-k7 or whatever you have, then install gcc 4.0 and do CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 sh YOUR-NVIDIA-FILE.run |
| 20:25.18 | dendrite | bobmaster: man pkill before you use that command. |
| 20:25.19 | abrotman | bobmaster: or kill his shell |
| 20:25.25 | abrotman | or sshd |
| 20:25.32 | abrotman | erm .. nto sshd .. just his sshd |
| 20:25.39 | robin__ | oh. |
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| 20:26.05 | robin__ | i'll try it. |
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| 20:26.26 | ton | how can i change my ip address in debian , is there a wizard that could help me ? |
| 20:26.38 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 20:27.11 | earthian | Taube, ip_forward in there is already equal to 1 |
| 20:27.43 | Taube | earthian: every client knows your system as a gateway? |
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| 20:27.55 | earthian | well thats the problem |
| 20:28.00 | chafe | ok so the partition editor in the install cd |
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| 20:28.09 | chafe | how do i combine two free space partitions? |
| 20:28.09 | earthian | as evey client connects with different NIC |
| 20:28.22 | earthian | which one is the gateway? :) |
| 20:28.48 | Taube | earthian: your linux router which connects both networks is your gateway between both networks |
| 20:28.57 | dendrite | ton: Is your IP address static? |
| 20:29.09 | knoxy | how can I do to install qmake?? with apt the QT3 removes my kde.. why? I need a qmake to compile the moto4lin (motorola access tool) |
| 20:29.11 | Taube | earthian: every client has to know its ip as gateway adress |
| 20:29.12 | ton | yeah dendrite |
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| 20:29.20 | Gnewf | seems like i don't have man pages for common unix programming functions like, for example, wait(). what package do i have to get for those man pages? |
| 20:29.56 | stew | Gnewf: manpages-dev |
| 20:29.59 | earthian | Taube, the linux router is then my box |
| 20:30.11 | dendrite | ton: Then just do "/etc/init.d/networking stop" then edit /etc/network/interfaces to put in the new address and so on, then do "/etc/init.d/networking start" to restart networking with new IP address. |
| 20:30.24 | earthian | which i believe is not configured properly to forward IPs or smth? |
| 20:30.32 | Taube | earthian: NET1 (10.0.0.*) -- LINUX/BOX -- NET2(192.168.0.*) ? |
| 20:30.48 | beardy | Gnewf: what stew said |
| 20:30.54 | ton | dendrite but it is temporary how can i do i forevery when i turn on my computer ? |
| 20:30.57 | ton | dendrite |
| 20:31.17 | rogier | How can I bypass some scripts when installing a package ? I installed mythtv and it pulled in mythtv-database with it, but it's installation fails because I have already set it up. Now it tries to reinstall every time I do something with apt and friends. |
| 20:31.18 | dendrite | ton: That would be permanent, if you edit /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 20:31.30 | Eclipser | how can I find a package which contains a certain file? |
| 20:31.39 | earthian | mh |
| 20:31.44 | dendrite | ton: This assumes your IP address is static, and is configured statically in /etc/network/interfaces . |
| 20:31.54 | ton | ok thak you |
| 20:31.58 | stew | Eclipser: "dpkg -S file" if its installed, "apt-file search file" otherwise (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
| 20:32.02 | chafe | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.07 | chafe | so that i can make them one partitino |
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| 20:32.45 | dendrite | chafe: Are the two free space sections physically next to each other on the disk? |
| 20:33.07 | Eclipser | stew, thanks |
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| 20:33.14 | chafe | i havent even written any changes yet |
| 20:33.17 | chafe | or formattted anything |
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| 20:33.27 | chafe | i just made something and then resized something else |
| 20:33.30 | chafe | so now i have two free space parts |
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| 20:33.46 | chafe | maybe i should restart the installer? this is silly |
| 20:33.57 | stew | chafe: are the free space partitions physically next to eachother on the disk? |
| 20:34.04 | dendrite | chafe: That might be as easy as any way, at this point. |
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| 20:34.08 | chafe | oh here we go undo changes |
| 20:34.30 | earthian | well.. here is what i have: PC-1 (10.0.0.20) -- (10.0.0.1) PC-0 (192.168.0.1) -- (192.168.0.20) PC-2 ..... and PC-0 (192.168.12.1) -- (192.168.12.20) DSL modem |
| 20:34.33 | chafe | thats stupid |
| 20:34.37 | abrotman | no ffs .. not again |
| 20:35.05 | abrotman | earthian: fix your network .. that's just silly |
| 20:35.08 | seto | nobody answer .. I think about a way to remove all file from the system, wich is'nt in any package installed .. I think about a big purge, but don't know how to do this, not sure the aptitude way do this |
| 20:35.29 | abrotman | if they don't belong to a package .. then you can't use aptitude to remove them |
| 20:35.45 | chafe | oh my god |
| 20:35.48 | chafe | so it did write changes |
| 20:36.01 | chafe | now i HAVE to figure out how to join these two free space sections |
| 20:36.05 | chafe | this is so stupid |
| 20:36.13 | abrotman | you did it! |
| 20:36.22 | earthian | is there any good source that would let me understand the basics of the networking better? |
| 20:36.31 | earthian | as i believe i am too noob right now :( |
| 20:36.35 | dendrite | chafe: Is this a new disk, or is there important data already on it? |
| 20:36.36 | chafe | how do i join two free space sections in the partition editor in debian |
| 20:36.38 | seto | abrotman: so.. must I use the dpkg -L | grep all , and remove all in /etc /usr/share/.. ? |
| 20:36.46 | abrotman | earthian: ask #networking |
| 20:36.50 | chafe | dendrite there is a windows partition that i have just resized |
| 20:36.51 | earthian | ok |
| 20:37.02 | abrotman | seto: uhm .. what the hell are you trying to do .. |
| 20:37.06 | dendrite | chafe: Are the two free space sections physically next to each other on the disk? |
| 20:37.22 | abrotman | seto: because .. more than likely .. you're going to end up with a totally fucked machine that won't boot |
| 20:37.39 | chafe | dendrite, i have NO idea? they are not next to eachother in the editor |
| 20:38.06 | chafe | ok im setting it as /home |
| 20:38.11 | chafe | i give sorry |
| 20:38.23 | dendrite | chafe: Well, if they're adjacent, you can put them together, otherwise not. |
| 20:38.30 | seto | abrotman: my debian system has 8 years old, I have do many bad mistakes with this machine, but it's working fine, for now I just want to clean all, I think I have many old files that I don't need.. and I don't want to reinstall my debian system, only clean it |
| 20:38.50 | dendrite | seto: Check out cruft. |
| 20:38.52 | Braindead | seto: debfoster and deborphan |
| 20:39.02 | abrotman | seto: ok .. but i'd be careful if i were you .. sounds like you're about to mess the whole thing up .. some files are generated and not actually part of a package |
| 20:39.08 | abrotman | Braindead: he's going after files |
| 20:39.12 | abrotman | not packages |
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| 20:39.33 | Braindead | abrotman: if a package is purged it shouldn't leave files behind |
| 20:39.35 | chafe | dendrite.. how? |
| 20:39.42 | abrotman | dendrite: does cruft work on planet-earth ? |
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| 20:39.58 | abrotman | Braindead: some packages generate files .. like conf files .. they aren't included in the package contents |
| 20:40.15 | abrotman | there are also runtime creations |
| 20:40.19 | seto | ok thx, I will try cruft |
| 20:40.33 | seto | abrotman: but be particulary careful |
| 20:40.39 | Braindead | abrotman: yeah but this guy wants to reap files with an axe. let's keep him busy |
| 20:40.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:41.28 | iLLf8d | axe isn't very good and its frontend is pretty crude |
| 20:41.55 | iLLf8d | although I heard that theres a kde version now which is supposed to be pretty slick looking |
| 20:42.14 | Braindead | iLLf8d: and with lots of options |
| 20:42.47 | iLLf8d | yeah its setup so you can make it look like just about anything but it no longer runs axe anymore its just eyecandy |
| 20:43.28 | iLLf8d | i'm still waiting for the kde option checkbox to have more options |
| 20:43.34 | iLLf8d | I figure its just around the corner |
| 20:43.44 | cydork | iLLf8d, dont worry i am working on it :P |
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| 20:45.08 | seto | abrotman: but I think there isn't any good way to do what I want, in debian we don't have anything to clean all after a bad-administrator (like me), another good solution is to reinstall all the system (saving the conf file before, and the package list), but a tools to do a "software reiinstall" would be good (for me..) |
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| 20:45.41 | abrotman | seto: you should have used stow or checkinstall |
| 20:45.42 | Braindead | seto: could you please make us an example of some things you want to reap out? |
| 20:46.10 | abrotman | Braindead: big files .. like /etc/hosts! |
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| 20:47.06 | iLLf8d | heh |
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| 20:48.44 | iLLf8d | hows checkinstall work? worth a look? |
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| 20:49.38 | Supaplex | !bite Piggy |
| 20:50.07 | Piggy | %bear abrotman |
| 20:50.36 | abrotman | !prise Piggy |
| 20:51.16 | seto | Braindead: good question.. I don't know wich files for now, I just suspect there is file like that |
| 20:51.23 | Supaplex | heh bot abuse at its best :-x |
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| 20:51.42 | abrotman | Supaplex: i think Piggy is allowed to abuse his own bot |
| 20:51.51 | abrotman | i think ... |
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| 20:52.33 | endia314 | When I try to print anything, the job is "processed" for a few seconds and then vanishes- the printer never turns on. |
| 20:52.53 | abrotman | have you checked to make sure the printer is on and there is paper in the tray? |
| 20:53.16 | endia314 | Yes. |
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| 20:54.01 | abrotman | endia314: anything in the logs ? |
| 20:54.10 | endia314 | Which log? |
| 20:54.49 | iLLf8d | the logs that tell you if your internet connection is up or if this conversation is a figment of your imagination |
| 20:55.11 | iLLf8d | I think its really printing but your mind is playing tricks on you |
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| 20:55.40 | endia314 | Yes; you see, the printer is really printing, and I'm just DREAMING that there's no paper coming out. |
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| 20:55.56 | endia314 | Strange, how I can talk to people online in my dreams? |
| 20:55.56 | iLLf8d | yeah see those logs do helpout |
| 20:56.44 | endia314 | There are probably hundreds of logs in my computer and I'm not familiar with CUPS's logging system. |
| 20:56.50 | Supaplex | how do I modify trust on a key I'm imported into my gpg keyring? |
| 20:57.04 | streuner | endia314: you don't it |
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| 20:57.20 | streuner | CUPS logs are useless... |
| 20:57.31 | endia314 | So, uh, why is my printer not printing? |
| 20:57.42 | endia314 | There's no error printed on the shell... |
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| 20:57.51 | iLLf8d | endia314, did you check the jobs queue? see if its even listed |
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| 20:58.11 | bbelt16ag | well,, |
| 20:58.19 | streuner | endia314: make sure you running an official kernel, install *ALL* CUPS packages and pray :-) |
| 20:58.21 | endia314 | It's listed for a few seconds as "processing", but then it vanished. The printer never turns on. |
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| 20:58.30 | bbelt16ag | my hardheaded brain finally figured out.. i can put my bookmarks on somebody else's server.. for now.. |
| 20:58.40 | bbelt16ag | and just export them occasionaly |
| 20:58.44 | streuner | endia314: what does linux-printing.org say about your printer? |
| 20:58.48 | endia314 | streuner: I'm running Linux 2.6.17 from the Debian package and I installed anything to do with CUPS. |
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| 20:59.05 | k31th | #guys how do i change my mirrors in apt... |
| 20:59.05 | iLLf8d | endia314, sounds like you didn't setup the printer properly and if its a network printer you'll need to determine the queue name |
| 20:59.16 | endia314 | It's a local printer. |
| 20:59.25 | streuner | endia314: did you install the *right* ppd packages (files) as well? |
| 20:59.26 | k31th | when it installs debian it askes for which mirrors.. od rather do that that configure them by hand all over again |
| 20:59.29 | endia314 | And that website has nothing relevant on it. |
| 20:59.37 | endia314 | Which one is "right"? |
| 20:59.39 | Supaplex | k31th: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:59.46 | Braindead | k31th: netselect-apt or apt-spy |
| 20:59.48 | k31th | Supaplex: ill have to do it by hand there. |
| 20:59.52 | streuner | but the printer is supported, it should be an configure issue then... |
| 20:59.53 | k31th | Braindead: thanks |
| 21:00.20 | k31th | apt-setup works :D |
| 21:00.22 | streuner | endia314: those which mentioned at linux-printing.org ;-) |
| 21:00.47 | endia314 | That url is a link farm! |
| 21:01.21 | streuner | yeah :-) |
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| 21:01.29 | streuner | use linuxprinting.org instead ;-) |
| 21:01.44 | endia314 | Ah, I see. Downloading their PPD. |
| 21:01.58 | seto | hmm .. so finaly I think I will use aptitude to delete package that I don't use.. and only do this |
| 21:01.59 | streuner | most of them are in debian packaged |
| 21:02.34 | endia314 | I didn't see one.... |
| 21:02.47 | streuner | !tell endia314 about search |
| 21:02.50 | endia314 | Nope, it didn't print, even with linuxprinting's ppd. |
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| 21:03.21 | streuner | change the configuration via http://localhost:631 then |
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| 21:03.53 | endia314 | What should I change? |
| 21:03.53 | streuner | endia314: you see some examples here: (/msg dpkg hpinkjet install) |
| 21:04.20 | endia314 | I installed Debian's hplip. |
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| 21:04.31 | streuner | install everything |
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| 21:05.15 | streuner | !hpinkjet install |
| 21:05.15 | dpkg | http://hplip.sourceforge.net/install/index.html |
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| 21:05.41 | endia314 | I followed those instructions for setting up my printer! |
| 21:05.43 | streuner | endia314: go to that URL and look for "Installation (Debian)" |
| 21:05.48 | streuner | good |
| 21:05.50 | streuner | :-) |
| 21:06.44 | endia314 | I already installed those packages. |
| 21:07.20 | endia314 | And I set up my printer according to the instructions at http://hplip.sourceforge.net/install/step4/setup/local.html. |
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| 21:08.05 | streuner | you don't need that |
| 21:08.16 | streuner | no 'hp-setup' or similar |
| 21:08.42 | endia314 | I also tried to set it up at localhost:631 and using the KDE "control center". |
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| 21:09.06 | streuner | endia314: what's the model? |
| 21:09.22 | fando | hi, I modified my /etc/hosts but my firefox doesn't recognize the changes... is there a cache I have to clear? |
| 21:09.25 | endia314 | HP Deskjet 3845. |
| 21:09.29 | mooseman447 | change you change a debian system's hostname? |
| 21:09.46 | mooseman447 | and why doesnt debian send the host name to the dhcp server by default? |
| 21:10.00 | fando | just wanted to change a static IP to some.domain.com |
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| 21:10.18 | kingsley | fando: Have you restarted firefox? |
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| 21:10.27 | fando | yes I shut the browser down and restarted |
| 21:11.46 | streuner | endia314: install hpijs |
| 21:11.46 | kingsley | fando: Can firefox access the IP address, but not the corresponding domain name? |
| 21:11.46 | fando | yes |
| 21:11.46 | fando | just a sec, I'll try ssh |
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| 21:12.16 | streuner | endia314: i guess you are using etch, debian changed to hpijs... |
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| 21:12.46 | xuser | Hi, being searching for a ftp client that can dowloand a whole directory tree but no luck, any good ones? |
| 21:12.50 | streuner | !nickometer b0xy|MacPro |
| 21:12.51 | dpkg | 'b0xy|MacPro' is 98.330% lame, streuner |
| 21:13.06 | streuner | xuser: ncftp |
| 21:13.09 | fando | hm, I can ssh into the some.domain.com from my hosts, but firefox doesn't see it |
| 21:13.09 | b0xy|MacPro | eh? |
| 21:13.15 | epsilon | lftp |
| 21:13.17 | xuser | !nickometer xuser |
| 21:13.18 | streuner | your nick sucks |
| 21:13.19 | dpkg | 'xuser' is 0.000% lame, xuser |
| 21:13.25 | b0xy|MacPro | how does it suck? |
| 21:13.29 | abrotman | endia314: i just read the backscroll .. and i'm going to share a very sad story .. one night i had a dream that greycat( an old regular here) was chatting on IRC .. but it was like KDE had taken over .. all his words were in balloon font and crap .. it was .. weird |
| 21:13.31 | xuser | streuner: thx. |
| 21:13.47 | epsilon | .oO (can wget -r also recursive download of ftp?) |
| 21:13.54 | Braindead | abrotman: microsoft chat could be even worse... |
| 21:14.03 | b0xy | !nickometer b0xy |
| 21:14.05 | dpkg | 'b0xy' is 97.280% lame, b0xy |
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| 21:14.13 | b0xy | bastards, the lot of you |
| 21:14.20 | fando | is there a user-level hosts file like ~/.hosts? |
| 21:14.36 | epsilon | doing what? |
| 21:14.44 | dondelelcaro | fando: no |
| 21:14.47 | streuner | bOxy: that sucks too :-) - all nicks sucks if they have CAPS or weird nicks into... |
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| 21:15.00 | beardy | !nickometer b0xy|MacPro |
| 21:15.01 | kingsley | fando: Perhaps firefox doesn't look in /etc/hosts. It seems to me that it would be interesting to a.) google for firefox and /etc/hosts, and b.) see if you're running a domain name service on the same system as firefox. |
| 21:15.01 | b0xy|MacPro | it's a zero |
| 21:15.02 | dpkg | 'b0xy|MacPro' is 98.330% lame, beardy |
| 21:15.05 | streuner | s/nicks/chars/ |
| 21:15.14 | fando | kingsley, ok taking a look |
| 21:15.15 | beardy | See, you're even lamer now. |
| 21:15.19 | fando | no dns for sure though |
| 21:15.20 | b0xy|MacPro | heh |
| 21:15.24 | b0xy|MacPro | lame I shall be then |
| 21:15.35 | epsilon | !nickometer user00265 |
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| 21:15.37 | dpkg | 'user00265' is 99.220% lame, epsilon |
| 21:15.45 | seto | thx for the man who say to me use cruft .. I find many old files .. it would help me |
| 21:15.52 | kingsley | fando: I suppose you could also run firefox with strace to see if it looks in e/tc/hosts. |
| 21:15.57 | user00265 | what the |
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| 21:16.40 | fando | hm good idea if google doesn't help |
| 21:17.13 | beware | can i do a gzip compression level with tar? |
| 21:17.16 | dendrite | abrotman: Good question. Not sure if there is/was a better approach for chafe though... [16:39 < abrotman> dendrite: does cruft work on planet-earth ?] |
| 21:17.16 | beware | like -3 or something |
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| 21:17.47 | navaburo | hullo |
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| 21:17.57 | fando | I ran strace firefox > /tmp/foo 2>&1 |
| 21:18.05 | kingsley | beware: http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/8051/print |
| 21:18.07 | navaburo | I compiled and installed openssl, and am trying to build wpa_supplicant. But it says it cant find libssl.??!?! |
| 21:18.08 | fando | no trace of /etc/hosts or hosts or anything that looks like a hosts file |
| 21:18.33 | navaburo | any ideas on how to get make to see ssl (its clearly installed to /usr/lib/) |
| 21:19.03 | beware | does tar default to 6? |
| 21:19.10 | hjubal | hi, I ran chkrootkit just for a look.. "Searching for Showtee... Warning: Possible Showtee Rootkit installed" |
| 21:19.14 | h3sp4wn | navaburo: install the -dev package |
| 21:19.49 | Yperite | hjubal, try www.zeppoo.net |
| 21:19.50 | navaburo | ahhhh right, thats probly it |
| 21:20.36 | devicenull` | what should I use to configre X? |
| 21:20.52 | streuner | !drxx foo |
| 21:20.52 | dpkg | foo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:21.30 | devicenull | thx |
| 21:21.43 | xuser | streuner: ncftp looks good, one problem, its downloading all the files but not the subdirectorys, any ideas? |
| 21:22.27 | Braindead | xuser: use lftp |
| 21:22.45 | stew | xuser: what are you doing? "mget *"? try "mget -r *" |
| 21:22.53 | raf256 | how to print a foo.pdf from the command line |
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| 21:23.11 | hjubal | Yperite, looking at zeppoo.. so my debian could be broken? :( |
| 21:23.29 | karsten | raf256: sometimes your cupsfilter will handle it as a straight "lpr foo.pdf" |
| 21:23.38 | raf256 | karsten: will check |
| 21:23.40 | karsten | raf256: Otherwise, xpdf or pdf2ps; lpr ps. |
| 21:23.53 | raf256 | xpdf is command line? /me checks man |
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| 21:24.15 | streuner | no |
| 21:24.16 | xuser | stew: |
| 21:24.26 | xuser | mget -r * did the job, thx. |
| 21:24.32 | endia314 | streuner: I did install hpijs! |
| 21:24.43 | devicenull | VESA(0): No matching modes -- Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration? |
| 21:24.43 | xuser | Braindead: Looks similar. |
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| 21:24.46 | streuner | endia314: /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
| 21:24.52 | jariep1_ | how do I setup JAVA_HOME environment variable permanently, system wide including for root and any users? |
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| 21:24.58 | devicenull | I've run through the config twice, it should be fine |
| 21:25.01 | Pike | hi |
| 21:25.02 | Yperite | hjubal, no zeppoo is better than chkrootkit |
| 21:25.05 | karsten | raf256: No, it's not. But it's an alternative. |
| 21:25.16 | endia314 | streuner: I works now! Thank you! |
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| 21:25.24 | karsten | jariep1_: /etc/environment |
| 21:25.26 | streuner | endia: you're welcome. |
| 21:25.29 | eyeris | Using dpkg's <kp mantra> command, I get the error "The UTS Release version in include/linux/utsrelease.h does not match the current version" With the UTS Release version = "2.6.18-lukahn" and the "current version" = "..-lukahn". How can I fix this? |
| 21:26.00 | stew | eyeris: make-kpkg clean |
| 21:26.10 | Pike | I am currently setting up zope and have to bekome user zope. I am root and "su zope" but it doesn't work. How can I become user zope? |
| 21:26.10 | hjubal | Yperite, can I post 4 lines about the problem? |
| 21:26.10 | fando | something's not right, none of my browser programs (epiphany, links, firefox) can see the line in my /etc/hosts |
| 21:26.15 | fando | but ssh can handle it fine |
| 21:26.18 | karsten | Pike: su -c 'bash' zope |
| 21:26.22 | chafe | what |
| 21:26.27 | Pike | karsten, thanks |
| 21:26.28 | karsten | Pike: user zope probably doesn't have a valid shell. |
| 21:26.53 | kingsley | fando: I suggest considering running a local DNS. |
| 21:27.00 | karsten | Pike: This prevents you from just su'ing user, as you invoke its shell, likely /bin/false (check /etc/passwd). |
| 21:27.06 | Yperite | hjubal, not necessary, if you use Zeppoo, he can detect rootkit and give you confirmation |
| 21:27.10 | Pike | karsten, nope, doesn't work ether |
| 21:27.13 | fando | a local dns, ok |
| 21:27.17 | eyeris | stew: I did that first |
| 21:27.20 | fando | thanks for the tip, I'll see how to set that up |
| 21:27.38 | eyeris | stew: like I said, I used dpkg's <kp mantra> |
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| 21:28.44 | Pike | karsten, thank you very much. /bin/false was the critical hint :) |
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| 21:29.13 | stew | eyeris: dunno then |
| 21:29.15 | karsten | Pike: What I suspected. Do you have to become shell zope or can you just run commands as zope? |
| 21:29.32 | eyeris | Although, I did add --bzimage. I can't see how that affects the version strings though. Where does make-kpkg get "the current version" from? It's a horrible error message. |
| 21:29.33 | hjubal | Yperite, built it statically.. "# zeppoo -c -p" returns "[-] Unable to resolve proc_root !!" |
| 21:30.03 | Pike | karsten, i have to become shell zope and change bin/false to bin/bash and now works fine :) |
| 21:30.05 | karsten | Pike: 'su -s <shell> user' |
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| 21:30.20 | karsten | Pike: .. and restore /etc/passwd to how it was, that's a security feature. |
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| 21:30.31 | karsten | Pike: Prevents people from shelling out of zope. |
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| 21:30.58 | Pike | ah, ok, i will change it back |
| 21:31.01 | karsten | Pike: 'su -ls <shell> zope' may be what you really wanted. |
| 21:31.16 | Pike | karsten, ha, perfekt |
| 21:31.51 | karsten | Pike: FYI, /etc/shells lists valid user login shells. Any shell not listed can't be used to login. |
| 21:31.55 | wberrier | any arm users here? |
| 21:32.03 | karsten | !tell wberrier about ask |
| 21:32.12 | karsten | !tell wberrier about polls |
| 21:32.41 | wberrier | heh, ok |
| 21:33.00 | wberrier | anyone know how to install debian on arm when risc os is not installed on the machine already? |
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| 21:34.02 | raf256 | linux software sucks huge coc |
| 21:34.04 | raf256 | * cock |
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| 21:34.17 | karsten | wberrier: Looks like tftp or boot CDROM |
| 21:34.35 | eyeris | stew: do you have any idea how to make make-kpkg pick up where it left off instead of recompiling each time it is invoked? |
| 21:34.44 | karsten | !beer stew |
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| 21:35.19 | karsten | wberrier: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/arm/ch05.html.en |
| 21:35.19 | Akoon | anyone knows the reason why bios cant detect hdd? |
| 21:35.19 | stew | eyeris: not sure, check the manpage for maybe a -nc? |
| 21:35.25 | abrotman | !prize stew |
| 21:35.28 | eyeris | stew: nothing in the man page |
| 21:35.31 | karsten | Akoon: controller, cabling, drive. |
| 21:35.34 | streuner | Akoon: uhm, did you set it right? (master, slave, CS)? |
| 21:35.49 | karsten | Akoon: You're in BIOS itself? BIOS settings, autodetect, incorrect drive config. |
| 21:36.09 | streuner | !win stew |
| 21:36.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 21:36.12 | karsten | wberrier: What's the ARM device itself? |
| 21:36.14 | wberrier | karsten: I've tried the boot cd on my machine with no luck. After reading the debian install manuals on the various types of arm machines, looks like the installer must be invoked from RISCos, but I don't have risc os installed (harddrive died...) I'm wondering if there's another way |
| 21:36.31 | karsten | wberrier: tftp / PXE boot. Set yourself up a TFTP server |
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| 21:36.45 | karsten | wberrier: ... or find a riscos install. |
| 21:37.07 | karsten | wberrier: again: what's the kit? |
| 21:37.40 | karsten | wberrier: http://support.riscos.com/Support/index.htm |
| 21:37.46 | karsten | wberrier: ... iso image 2 |
| 21:37.52 | Akoon | karsten & streuner it's laptop of HP, and bios is some of hP's bios and there is not any stuff there about it |
| 21:38.04 | karsten | Akoon: Find a manual. |
| 21:38.15 | devicenull | tftp/PXE is not really that hard to set up |
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| 21:38.31 | devicenull | provided you have a preexisting linux machine |
| 21:38.50 | wberrier | you know, it's a no name box only stating, "X100" |
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| 21:38.51 | karsten | devicenull: Ever used Knoppix for tftpboot? |
| 21:38.59 | devicenull | no, I havent |
| 21:39.01 | hjubal | why does zeppoo return "[-] Unable to resolve proc_root !!"? |
| 21:39.04 | karsten | wberrier: Any boot messages? |
| 21:39.07 | Akoon | karsten is there some jumpers on laptop hdd's?? |
| 21:39.09 | devicenull | I've used the debian package for it |
| 21:39.16 | wberrier | I've booted the iso (or tried to) from http://support.riscos.com/Support/index.htm without any luck |
| 21:39.20 | helo | is there some way to disable a core on a processor if there is no bios option... maybe with a boot parameter to linux? |
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| 21:39.32 | karsten | Akoon: Could be. If you've got a single/master drive in the slave spot, it won't work. |
| 21:39.35 | helo | i tried "nosmp" but it hangs wi9th some interrupt problem |
| 21:39.46 | karsten | helo: That should do it. |
| 21:39.55 | karsten | helo: nosmp == single core |
| 21:40.29 | karsten | wberrier: Sorry, I'm tapped out. Might try a mailing list for this. |
| 21:40.48 | Akoon | <karsten> nut on that hitachi hdd i didn't see any jumper or that |
| 21:41.00 | karsten | Akoon: ?? |
| 21:41.11 | karsten | wberrier: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/list/debian-arm.en.html |
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| 21:41.21 | wberrier | karsten: RiscOS 512 MB |
| 21:41.21 | wberrier | 80321 Processor |
| 21:41.21 | wberrier | Acorn ADFS |
| 21:41.34 | wberrier | that's what the machine shows at start, and then just hangs |
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| 21:42.01 | Akoon | karsten i mean where is those jumpers ? |
| 21:42.15 | wberrier | karsten: thanks for the time, info, I"ll try a list |
| 21:42.19 | karsten | Akoon: Somewhere on the drive case surface. |
| 21:42.35 | Akoon | karsten on hitaschi hdd you mean? |
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| 21:43.00 | karsten | Akoon: Y'know, I don't have every drive surface topologically memorized. |
| 21:43.08 | karsten | Akoon: 3.5" or 2.5"? |
| 21:43.31 | Akoon | karsten i dont know..i cant much about laptops |
| 21:43.31 | karsten | Akoon: Google model number for mfr's manual. |
| 21:43.42 | karsten | Akoon: Then measure the damned thing. |
| 21:43.47 | devicenull | PCI hotplug is not related to PCMIA, correct? |
| 21:44.03 | karsten | Akoon: Is it a standard 1/4 height PC drive, or a small, thin little laptop dealie. |
| 21:44.23 | Akoon | ok |
| 21:44.27 | Akoon | thanks |
| 21:44.42 | abrotman | devicenull: no it's not |
| 21:44.46 | devicenull | ok, thx |
| 21:44.47 | helo | karsten: it hangs when i pass it "nosmp" with an interrupt problem... could i install a non-smp kernel with apt? |
| 21:44.57 | helo | or are the prebuilt kernels all built with smp? |
| 21:45.12 | karsten | helo: No, there are UP kernels as well. |
| 21:45.21 | karsten | helo: Default is UP, FYI. |
| 21:45.45 | karsten | helo: Might find out what interrupt that is and avoid it. Might also try "noacpi", "nodma" as boot options. |
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| 21:45.51 | karsten | helo: ... at least for installer. |
| 21:46.11 | karsten | helo: because it's an SMP kernel and it's so-named. |
| 21:46.20 | karsten | helo: What's /proc/cpuinfo tell you? |
| 21:46.31 | karsten | helo: YOu can also install dmidecode and see how many cores you've got. |
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| 21:47.29 | jetx | how do you use m-a with a patched source |
| 21:48.10 | helo | karsten: it says i have 1 core on this UP box... the box in question is a dual core box that i'm trying to get to run in single-core mode for some benchmarking |
| 21:48.29 | jetx | or, i compiled that modem source, wheretf do i put the modules... and which ones where |
| 21:48.38 | karsten | helo: OK. Modulo being able to boot, you're on one core then. |
| 21:48.44 | helo | i suspect that the cost of using mutexes on a multiprocessor system is negating the advantages |
| 21:49.04 | jetx | there is no target for install |
| 21:49.44 | helo | karsten: this box i'm on one core... i mentioned this box because i never installed an SMP kernel on it, yet uname says SMP... so i think SMP is the default |
| 21:49.57 | karsten | helo: Could be. I worked with Xen for a while where emulating multiple UP guests on an SMP system provided better performance than single SMP native. |
| 21:50.01 | jetx | afaict sid is all smp now |
| 21:50.07 | karsten | helo: You're wrong. |
| 21:50.20 | jetx | and i'm not |
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| 21:50.27 | karsten | helo: uname gets its name from the compiled kernel file name, which has "smp" in it to tell you it's an SMP kernel. |
| 21:50.43 | karsten | helo: If /proc/cpuinfo sees one CPU, then you've *GOT* one CPU. No more, no less. |
| 21:50.46 | karsten | helo: Kapiche? |
| 21:51.05 | jetx | i see nobody knows how to compile modules.. dang. |
| 21:51.12 | karsten | helo: You can boot an SMP kernel either SMP (standard) or UP (with nosmp bootparam) |
| 21:51.15 | jetx | or what to do with them after they compile |
| 21:51.23 | karsten | !tell jetx about repeat |
| 21:51.23 | helo | karsten: i installed linux-image-2.6.17-2-k7 is already the newest version. |
| 21:51.27 | beardy | jetx: Where do you see that? |
| 21:51.30 | karsten | jetx: Try a mailing list. |
| 21:51.31 | jetx | i've seen it |
| 21:51.35 | jetx | beardy: see what |
| 21:51.43 | jetx | karsten: try getting a life |
| 21:51.47 | karsten | helo: OK, then boot it. |
| 21:51.53 | beardy | jetx: "nobody knows how to compile modules" |
| 21:51.54 | jetx | ah beardy |
| 21:51.57 | helo | karsten: and it, by default, says "SMP" from uname -a |
| 21:51.59 | karsten | jetx: It' sinstalled but won't boot. |
| 21:52.07 | karsten | helo: Interesting. |
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| 21:52.22 | jetx | i should have said knows what to do with them after they get compiled, sorry |
| 21:52.41 | helo | this is on a single processor box... i bet they enable SMP by default because it doesn't degrade UP performance, while automatically supporting MP systems |
| 21:52.44 | jetx | i have a pickle though |
| 21:52.50 | jetx | many pickles |
| 21:53.13 | karsten | jetx: Have you picked a peck? |
| 21:53.29 | helo | i noticed the "transitional packages" named kernel-image-blahblah have UP and SMP versions, but the ones in testing don't |
| 21:53.34 | jetx | no my wife brought me a jar for some reason.. and i'm at work |
| 21:53.47 | jetx | helo: yeah neither does sid... it's changed/changing |
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| 21:55.34 | karsten | jetx: Chew toys! |
| 21:55.49 | jetx | i don't have a tamagouchi |
| 21:56.04 | jetx | thank god |
| 21:56.36 | beardy | jetx: There is a tamagochi/tamagochi-like server, if it hasn't been removed. |
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| 21:56.52 | jetx | it must need nuking |
| 21:57.09 | beardy | !+info tama sarge |
| 21:57.10 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 21:57.17 | cydork | !m-a jetx module |
| 21:57.18 | dpkg | jetx: to compile and install module for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i module && modprobe module ; if this works echo module >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 21:57.21 | dpkg | tama: (Net Tamagotchi server), section games, is extra. Version: 1.2.0-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 140 kB |
| 21:57.50 | karsten | !nuke jetx |
| 21:57.51 | jetx | m-a wants to use the pristine source... i need to use a patch |
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| 21:58.34 | jetx | it borks w/o the patch |
| 21:58.56 | jetx | but m-a seems to not give a shit and wants to use what it gets from sources |
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| 22:00.24 | jetx | and wtf is this modass shit |
| 22:00.28 | jetx | :/ |
| 22:00.54 | jetx | oh look it failed again |
| 22:01.15 | devicenull | do I need initrd on a standard install? |
| 22:01.27 | devicenull | it's present in /boot, so I'm thinking I need it |
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| 22:01.43 | karsten | devicenull: Generally, yes, it makes your life easier (believe it or not). |
| 22:01.53 | cydork | jetx, check man page :P |
| 22:02.01 | devicenull | kernels compiling. |
| 22:02.02 | devicenull | yay |
| 22:02.17 | jetx | !initrd |
| 22:02.17 | dpkg | well, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
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| 22:02.57 | hjubal | zeppoo seems not to work on my etch.. is there any other way to detect rootkits? |
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| 22:03.36 | dondelelcaro | hjubal: there's no complete method. chkrootkit may help. |
| 22:03.37 | karsten | jetx: That's a pretty biased factoid. initrd is a nice way of encapsulating the bootstrapping process in such a way that anything required (module-wise) to boot is actually available to the kernel, at boot. |
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| 22:04.04 | streuner | hjubal: there is rkhunter too |
| 22:04.12 | karsten | hjubal: chkrootkit, clamav, correspondence checking local vs. remote open ports. |
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| 22:04.31 | dondelelcaro | hjubal: just remember that no rootkit checker can possibly be complete unless you actually boot from known good media and don't execute anything on the offending disk. |
| 22:04.35 | karsten | hjubal: If remote analysis shows something different (esp: additional) to what local analysis shows, you may very well have a problem. |
| 22:05.19 | jaye | does anyone know what it means when hotspares flash red on a raid array? |
| 22:05.19 | karsten | jetx: Current to the LED> |
| 22:05.38 | hjubal | chkrootkit alerts me with infection on port 600 but lsof -i :600 returns 'famd' |
| 22:06.04 | karsten | hjubal: There are some common false alarms. |
| 22:06.12 | jetx | ? |
| 22:06.13 | hjubal | but chkrootkit says "bindshell" |
| 22:06.15 | jetx | ah |
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| 22:06.29 | jetx | we R funny |
| 22:06.38 | karsten | jetx: I'll be here all week. |
| 22:06.39 | Yperite | chkrootkit can returns false true ... |
| 22:06.46 | jetx | like i care if the wires are hooked up to HIS led |
| 22:06.49 | hjubal | then "lkm'... You have 2 process hidden for readdir command" and "Showtee... Warning: Possible Showtee Rootkit installed" |
| 22:06.53 | phogg | hjubal: telnet to port 600 and see what it looks like |
| 22:06.54 | karsten | jetx: Your HW manual likely defines indicator light conditions. |
| 22:07.04 | jetx | uh... |
| 22:07.09 | jetx | what part of HIS |
| 22:07.19 | phogg | karsten: s/jetx/jaye/ |
| 22:07.20 | karsten | hjubal: ... or kill the famd process and re-scan. |
| 22:07.35 | karsten | jetx: Ah. Wups. |
| 22:07.43 | jetx | yeah |
| 22:07.53 | g333k | theres no linux-image 2.6.17 smp right? |
| 22:07.57 | hjubal | phogg, damn! telnet localhost 600 "Connected to localhost.localdomain." "Escape character is '^]'." |
| 22:08.03 | hjubal | so I am fucked |
| 22:08.06 | phogg | hjubal: owned |
| 22:08.06 | karsten | hjubal: <enter> |
| 22:08.07 | jetx | g333k: they're all smp enabled now |
| 22:08.07 | g333k | any other option for HT processors? |
| 22:08.19 | jetx | there are no single proc oes |
| 22:08.21 | jetx | ones |
| 22:08.23 | karsten | hjubal: That's all telnet client messages, not daemon |
| 22:08.54 | g333k | jetx, I dont see the linux-image-2.6.17-smp in my repos |
| 22:09.04 | hjubal | karsten, would you mind explain that? |
| 22:09.14 | jetx | g333k: what part of 'THEY'RE ALL SMP NOW' did you not understand |
| 22:09.16 | stew | g333k: what cpu do you have? |
| 22:09.29 | g333k | jetx, ooohhh I understand..... |
| 22:09.47 | karsten | hjubal: The messages you jost posted are all generated by your telnet client. They are *NOT* indicative of running a telnet daemon at that port. |
| 22:09.48 | jetx | sorry |
| 22:09.55 | g333k | stew, Intel p4 3Ghz hyperthreading |
| 22:10.02 | karsten | hjubal: If you had a daemon you'd see a login prompt/banner |
| 22:10.26 | jetx | so... what do i do with these kernel modules i just compiled and that m-a can't compile or install |
| 22:10.43 | karsten | hjubal: Many services (not sure about famd) will echo a banner in response to an <enter> or "HELO" or similar client-supplied input. |
| 22:10.45 | hjubal | karsten, you're right.. I knew that.. but right now I'm a little bit anxious |
| 22:10.50 | stew | g333k: you want linux-image-2.6.17-686 it is smp enabled (and will support ht) |
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| 22:10.57 | karsten | hjubal: You've proven nothing yet. |
| 22:11.06 | phogg | hjubal: I'm not seeing an option for famd to listen on a port... |
| 22:11.11 | stew | g333k: or 2.6.17-2-686 whichever specific version is current |
| 22:11.11 | karsten | stew: His point is that he wants to boot UP afaict. |
| 22:11.16 | g333k | stew, yeah jetx have told me that |
| 22:11.24 | karsten | stew: I sort of gave up on him a while ago. |
| 22:11.31 | jetx | the boot option is nosmp ? |
| 22:11.40 | hjubal | ok, I'm going to stop famd and rescan |
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| 22:12.01 | karsten | hjubal: Right. |
| 22:12.04 | g333k | stew, jetx: how did you know that? is there some list or weekly report about the changes in the pkgs? |
| 22:12.21 | karsten | g333k: likely contextual domian knowledge. |
| 22:12.32 | karsten | g333k: a/k/a keeping up with the changes. |
| 22:12.51 | phogg | jetx: you've compiled your own kernel module and want to load it into the kernel? |
| 22:12.57 | jetx | g333k: i'm sure there is, but i went looking |
| 22:13.04 | stew | g333k: i found out here |
| 22:13.24 | jetx | phogg: i have the compiled modules in /usr/src/modules/blah, but i don't know what to do with them now |
| 22:13.37 | karsten | jetx: install 'em. |
| 22:13.48 | jetx | make install: no target for install |
| 22:13.49 | karsten | jetx: ... and/or copy / link to /lib/modules/<kernel-version> |
| 22:14.02 | karsten | jetx: ... appropriate subtree thereof. |
| 22:14.08 | phogg | jetx: insmod them, or better yet put them in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ somewhere and use modprobe |
| 22:14.20 | karsten | jetx: Where'd these modules come from? No installation instructions? |
| 22:14.23 | jetx | ah-kay |
| 22:14.43 | jetx | karsten: nah, it's some binary source i'm stuck with for this old laptop |
| 22:14.47 | h3sp4wn | is depmod -a involved in this procedure ? (I always did that but never understood why) |
| 22:14.47 | jetx | for the modem |
| 22:15.03 | karsten | jetx: crap mysterware? |
| 22:15.11 | jetx | ltmodem |
| 22:15.19 | jetx | lucent dsp |
| 22:15.20 | karsten | h3sp4wn: Likely. Rebuilds the module dependency tree. |
| 22:15.30 | karsten | jetx: lucent winmodem? |
| 22:15.36 | jetx | think so |
| 22:15.39 | Mazingaro | please, I've got a problem with g77: ATHLON800:/usr/share/man/man1# dpkg --configure -a |
| 22:15.39 | Mazingaro | Setting up g77 (3.4.6-13) ... |
| 22:15.39 | Mazingaro | /var/lib/dpkg/info/g77.postinst: line 12: /usr/share/man/man1/g77.1.gz: No such file or directory |
| 22:15.39 | Mazingaro | dpkg: error processing g77 (--configure): |
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| 22:15.58 | jetx | yeah it's not hardware modem |
| 22:16.19 | jetx | and i'm not spending $ on it, it's for my nephew.. he can. |
| 22:16.27 | karsten | jetx: Y'know, pcmcia modems are out cheap now. |
| 22:16.40 | phogg | Mazingaro: you could edit the post install script and make it work. |
| 22:16.51 | Mazingaro | phogg: how? |
| 22:17.15 | chafe | ok so aptitude |
| 22:17.21 | chafe | when i hit enter to display details on a package |
| 22:17.22 | Mazingaro | phogg: I tried to link the missing .gz man without success |
| 22:17.23 | chafe | how do i get back to the list? |
| 22:17.34 | chafe | enter again just collapses the tree but it doesnt bring me back to the list |
| 22:17.36 | karsten | chafe: 'q' |
| 22:17.37 | jetx | Mazingaro: if it was me i'd try touch /usr/share/man/man1/g77.1.gz |
| 22:17.39 | phogg | Mazingaro: look at the script and see what it's really trying to do, first. |
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| 22:17.58 | karsten | chafe: Mind 'q' is overloaded. If you're prompted to quit aptitude Just Say No[tm] |
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| 22:18.02 | chafe | karsten, that quits aptitude |
| 22:18.11 | chafe | that doesnt help me |
| 22:18.14 | karsten | chafe: q is an overloaded function. |
| 22:18.19 | chafe | q "quit? -> no" i am back where i started |
| 22:18.39 | chafe | what does that mean |
| 22:18.42 | Mazingaro | phogg: look, please |
| 22:18.50 | karsten | chafe: It does more than one thing, depending on context. |
| 22:18.56 | karsten | chafe: Otherwise, try up/down arrow. |
| 22:18.57 | Mazingaro | update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/f77 f77 /usr/bin/g77 20 \ |
| 22:18.57 | Mazingaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.58 | Mazingaro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:19.12 | phogg | Mazingaro: use #flood, do not paste here |
| 22:19.14 | chafe | the up/down arrow moves me between lines |
| 22:19.16 | karsten | chafe: Or walk me through what you're doing starting with a fresh aptitude session. |
| 22:19.17 | chafe | it does not help me either |
| 22:19.21 | Mazingaro | phogg: ok, sorry :) |
| 22:19.23 | chafe | ok starting aptitude |
| 22:19.30 | chafe | moving over a package with up/down |
| 22:19.31 | karsten | chafe: Dig. |
| 22:19.38 | chafe | press ENTER to expand and show info |
| 22:19.38 | karsten | chafe: Which package. |
| 22:19.40 | sime | fc-cache is failing on me: Fontconfig warning: line 32: unknown element "cachedir", thus providing: |
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| 22:19.41 | Mazingaro | phogg: there's no g77.1.gz |
| 22:19.42 | sime | fc-cache: symbol lookup error: fc-cache: undefined symbol: FcDirCacheLoad |
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| 22:19.58 | karsten | chafe: Now hit 'q' |
| 22:19.58 | chafe | now i have detailed info on this package, but i am no longer seeing the list of packages |
| 22:20.00 | chafe | i need to get back |
| 22:20.02 | moparisthebest | is the debian stable kernel compiled with SYN_COOKIES ? |
| 22:20.04 | chafe | q asks me if i want to quit |
| 22:20.08 | chafe | quit aptitude |
| 22:20.19 | zinx | chafe: what package? |
| 22:20.22 | karsten | chafe: What version of aptitude? |
| 22:20.27 | chafe | what does it matter what package? |
| 22:20.28 | helo | is it possible to use zsnes as a xscreensaver? |
| 22:20.32 | Braindead | moparisthebest: grep -i cookies /boot/config-`uname-r` |
| 22:20.34 | karsten | chafe: Should be 3rd line from top in blue banner. |
| 22:20.40 | chafe | i dont know the one after a netinstall of debian |
| 22:20.44 | karsten | chafe: eg: aptitude 0.4.2 |
| 22:20.49 | chafe | escape doesnt do it |
| 22:20.57 | PDani | hi |
| 22:21.02 | karsten | chafe: '?' for online help |
| 22:21.19 | chafe | fuck |
| 22:21.24 | jelly-home | moparisthebest: also, if you're running it, you can check if /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies exists |
| 22:21.24 | chafe | yea ? doesnt tell me how to do this |
| 22:21.28 | chafe | from what i can read |
| 22:21.29 | PDani | when i try to losetup my aes cryptoimage with losetup -e aes -k 256 /dev/loop0 ./test, i got this: ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument |
| 22:21.31 | Mazingaro | phogg: ??? |
| 22:21.36 | chafe | i just did a quit -> yes and i was exited out of aptitude |
| 22:21.39 | Blastur | hi! i'm having some difficulties installing PHP4 on my Apache2 (Sarge).. i simply did apt-get install php4, and it returned without any errors.. still, I cannot open any php files, they just return as source code (with type "application/x-httpd-php"). According to the docs (README.Debian), everything is suppose to " which will configure |
| 22:21.39 | Blastur | themselves on installation and Just Work(tm). |
| 22:21.40 | chafe | this has to be really easy |
| 22:21.45 | phogg | Mazingaro: peculiar. Could be a bug in the package. To fix it for yourself try: touch /usr/share/man/man1/g77.1.gz |
| 22:21.47 | karsten | chafe: Here it's 'q'. |
| 22:21.54 | karsten | chafe: Have you *tried* hitting 'q'? |
| 22:21.56 | Blastur | any hints? |
| 22:21.58 | PDani | any idea? |
| 22:22.04 | chafe | karsten, yes |
| 22:22.06 | chafe | yes yes |
| 22:22.09 | Mazingaro | phogg: done, no success :) |
| 22:22.10 | chafe | it asks me if i want to quit aptitude |
| 22:22.18 | karsten | chafe: Again: *WHAT* *VERSION* *OF* *APTITUDE* |
| 22:22.19 | phogg | Mazingaro: still complains about no such file? |
| 22:22.24 | Mazingaro | yes |
| 22:22.30 | chafe | karsten, i dont know im about to find out, sorry |
| 22:22.31 | Mazingaro | /usr/share/man/man1/g77.1.gz: Permission denied |
| 22:22.36 | Mazingaro | phogg |
| 22:22.39 | jetx | as root |
| 22:22.40 | chafe | im going to update it either way |
| 22:22.42 | karsten | chafe: Should be visible in the screen now. |
| 22:22.42 | chafe | this is a fresh install |
| 22:22.43 | phogg | Mazingaro: aha. What are the permissions on that file? |
| 22:22.53 | karsten | Mazingaro: You don't execute archives, you unpack them. |
| 22:22.54 | Mazingaro | phogg: -rw-r--r-- |
| 22:23.09 | phogg | Mazingaro: in the postinst snippet you pasted, remove the # |
| 22:23.11 | jetx | btw do i just cp the .ko 's? |
| 22:23.17 | karsten | jetx: Yes. |
| 22:23.24 | chafe | karsten, aptitude 0.2.15.9 |
| 22:23.33 | karsten | chafe: What version of Debian? |
| 22:23.34 | jetx | thanks |
| 22:23.42 | Mazingaro | phogg: it worked :) |
| 22:23.42 | karsten | chafe: ... that's *really* old. 0.4.2 is current |
| 22:23.50 | Mazingaro | phogg: thanks |
| 22:23.52 | phogg | Mazingaro: file a bug against the package. |
| 22:23.56 | Mazingaro | phogg: what was the problem? |
| 22:24.01 | chafe | im updating it now |
| 22:24.19 | Mazingaro | phogg: even gfortran complains about that |
| 22:24.23 | karsten | chafe: BTW, 'q' or 'Q'? |
| 22:24.26 | chafe | shit its not updating |
| 22:24.29 | chafe | q karsten |
| 22:24.38 | phogg | Mazingaro: the # was a comment and commented out among other things the escape at the end of the line. This made the next line a new command rather than a param to update-alternatives |
| 22:24.43 | karsten | chafe: OK, just checking. |
| 22:24.56 | Blastur | sigh.. i see the problem, why has APT installed libapache-mod-php4 when it's suppose to install libapache2-mod-php4? Can it not tell that I'm using Apache2? I don't even have apache 1 installed |
| 22:25.09 | karsten | chafe: Double-check that. 'Q' quits aptitude, 'q' exits to prior level. |
| 22:25.21 | Mazingaro | phogg: I know tha '#' it's a comment in bash script, but it's very strange... |
| 22:25.33 | chafe | karsten, i am sure it is q |
| 22:25.45 | karsten | chafe: Humor me. |
| 22:25.47 | chafe | also the help and blue menu at the top specifies as q |
| 22:25.47 | Mazingaro | phogg: I'm installing gfortran too |
| 22:26.09 | chafe | sorry thats not helping |
| 22:26.10 | karsten | Ooohhh! |
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| 22:26.12 | karsten | ;-) |
| 22:26.43 | chafe | lol aptitude is way cooler than yum |
| 22:26.47 | chafe | srsly |
| 22:26.54 | phogg | chafe: also much smarter |
| 22:26.54 | karsten | chafe: Yep. |
| 22:26.56 | chafe | i barely know it but its cooler so far |
| 22:27.08 | Mazingaro | phogg: same problem |
| 22:27.11 | karsten | chafe: Don't get us started on rpm (command, not format). |
| 22:27.13 | Mazingaro | phogg: same problem for gfortran |
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| 22:27.30 | phogg | Mazingaro: ouch. See if there's another comment in there |
| 22:27.37 | Mazingaro | phogg: yes |
| 22:27.47 | Mazingaro | phogg: gotta problem with prelink too |
| 22:27.49 | chafe | ok karsten after getting out of the debian installer and running aptitude in a terminal window, the q button does what i need it to |
| 22:28.12 | Mazingaro | phogg: there is a big '#' in the .postinst script |
| 22:28.12 | karsten | chafe: OK, chalk it up to version. That's a 2004 release of aptitude, FYI. |
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| 22:29.01 | jetx | hmmm |
| 22:29.08 | jetx | 'seems' to have worked |
| 22:29.10 | chafe | yea i set it to update |
| 22:29.25 | chafe | im not sure why it wasnt updated when i installed |
| 22:29.56 | karsten | chafe: If you're running it from the installer you've got the static on-CD version. Post-boot you should have what you've installed. |
| 22:30.21 | phogg | Mazingaro: do an apt-get update and grab g77 3.4.6-14 from sid. It installs cleanly for me, where 3.4.6-13 did not for you |
| 22:30.21 | karsten | chafe: This is one reason why I tend to whip through the installer as fast as possible, then work off my (now updated) system to do actual package selection. |
| 22:31.23 | hjubal | karsten, you mentioned remote analysis.. did you mean port scanning, looking for services, etc? |
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| 22:31.36 | karsten | hjubal: rihgt. |
| 22:31.43 | phogg | Mazingaro: latest gfortran also works for me. |
| 22:31.45 | hjubal | thx |
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| 22:32.10 | karsten | hjubal: Mind that this only works for stuff that's persistant or at least relatively noisy network-wise. But if you find a listener socket remotely but don't see it locally, you've got an issue. |
| 22:32.29 | karsten | hjubal: Stuff that's quiet and only transmits periodically (say a keylogger) may be harder to find. |
| 22:32.34 | Mazingaro | phogg: what? |
| 22:32.51 | Mazingaro | phogg: I got unstable :) |
| 22:32.57 | g333k | if I want to install xsane for mi scanner... do I need to install sane too? |
| 22:33.14 | Guerin | g333k: sane comes in automatically |
| 22:33.14 | cydork | !xsane |
| 22:33.14 | dpkg | somebody said xsane was graphical gtk frontend to sane. see sane. |
| 22:33.15 | phogg | Mazingaro: what what? THere's a slightly newer revision of g77 in unstable now |
| 22:33.17 | karsten | g333k: dependencies will work that out for you. |
| 22:33.27 | karsten | g333k: If you need it, it'll be automatically selected and installed. |
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| 22:33.46 | Mazingaro | phogg: ok, just reinstall it? |
| 22:33.57 | hjubal | karsten, I agree with you.. but this is the right time to begin to go deeper in this kind of problem |
| 22:34.14 | phogg | Mazingaro: Do an apt-get update and then install. The new one does not exhibit the problem you have, so I'd say it's been fixed, |
| 22:34.32 | g333k | karsten, synaptic didnt select sane... just some libs |
| 22:34.38 | phogg | hjubal: if you find something bad listening try replacing it with netcat and see what turns up. |
| 22:34.52 | Mazingaro | phogg: g77 is already the newest version. |
| 22:34.52 | karsten | hjubal: booting known good media (say a recent Knoppix) and doing a package validation check, identifying any unknown executables or suid files, would be a next step. |
| 22:34.58 | karsten | g333k: Then it's no tnecessary. |
| 22:35.07 | karsten | g333k: ... or you've already got it installed. |
| 22:35.19 | Mazingaro | phogg: this is the package with the problem :) |
| 22:35.19 | hjubal | karsten, at first I would have re-installed my etch.. but i think it's better to isolate this computer to monitor it |
| 22:35.23 | karsten | g333k: 'apt-cache show xsane' and read the "Requires:" line |
| 22:35.41 | karsten | g333k: erm: "Depends" |
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| 22:35.56 | hjubal | karsten, yes, i read that approach in "securing debian manual" |
| 22:36.14 | phogg | it's time for another good idea bad idea. Good idea: running fcheck on your server. Bad idea: Running it during a dist-upgrade. |
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| 22:37.02 | phogg | Mazingaro: the version of g77 you reported above is one revision lower than the version available to me in unstable |
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| 22:37.11 | g333k | have you found some app like ACDsee for linux? |
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| 22:37.23 | phogg | g333k: and what does that do? |
| 22:37.52 | phogg | g333k: apt-cache search acdsee |
| 22:38.12 | Mazingaro | phogg: 3.4 |
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| 22:38.43 | phogg | Mazingaro: the version of g77 available in sid is 4:3.4.6-14 |
| 22:38.58 | Mazingaro | phogg: ok |
| 22:39.39 | phogg | Mazingaro: apt-show-versions g77 or apt-cache policy g77 |
| 22:39.54 | Mazingaro | apt-show-versions: command not found |
| 22:40.16 | phogg | Mazingaro: use apt-cache policy, then |
| 22:40.30 | g333k | phogg, its a picture's viewer, and it has the possibility to see many pictures of a directory as a small previews |
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| 22:41.02 | Mazingaro | phogg: please I posted on #flood |
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| 22:41.31 | phogg | g333k: there are many good image viewers for Linux. In my experience they are mostly QT-based. If you try apt-cache search acdsee you will find one: gtksee. Try it |
| 22:41.50 | phogg | Mazingaro: maybe your mirror is out of date? |
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| 22:42.00 | dim | hi people |
| 22:42.04 | Mazingaro | phogg: dunno |
| 22:42.16 | g333k | phogg, ok |
| 22:42.26 | Mazingaro | phogg: shall I use ftp.debian.org? |
| 22:42.29 | dim | should i do sth with related to initrd when trying to upgrade kernel, using lvm2 ? |
| 22:42.37 | phogg | Mazingaro: see #flood |
| 22:42.41 | dim | seems i need to recreate the initrd? |
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| 22:43.00 | Mazingaro | phogg: sig |
| 22:43.31 | rhsanborn | clear |
| 22:43.33 | rhsanborn | Sorry |
| 22:43.57 | rhsanborn | I'm having a problem with my CD-ROM, it doesn't appear to be reading at the porper speed, and I was wondering someone might be able to help me |
| 22:44.06 | Mazingaro | phogg: gonna use ftp.debian.org directly |
| 22:44.08 | CHodapp | DMA enabled? |
| 22:44.20 | CHodapp | And what application are you using? |
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| 22:44.27 | rhsanborn | CHodapp, I don't remember the command to check, but I'm pretty sure that it is |
| 22:44.41 | rhsanborn | CHodapp, using CD Player |
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| 22:44.42 | Mazingaro | phogg: is it ok? |
| 22:44.56 | CHodapp | rhsanborn, hdparm |
| 22:45.04 | CHodapp | hdparm -i /dev/hdwhatever . . . I think |
| 22:45.14 | rhsanborn | It's an IBM thinkpad DVD ROM, and sound juicer is currently showing that it is ripping at about 2x...I would think it should be much faster |
| 22:45.18 | phogg | Mazingaro: yes |
| 22:45.34 | CHodapp | Is it a particularly scratchy CD? Or does your CPU seem to be pegged? |
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| 22:45.58 | rhsanborn | Not scratchy CD, haven't noticed the CPU, but that doesn't mean it isn't, let me check DMA real quick here |
| 22:46.20 | peterS | rhsanborn: digital audio extraction is not as fast as reading data. the processes are fairly different. reading an audio CD is meant to, you know, happen at 1x. |
| 22:46.50 | rhsanborn | peterS, When listening, it skips often, whihc is why I'm ripping it atm |
| 22:46.57 | CHodapp | peterS, ripping can sitll happen much faster |
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| 22:47.11 | peterS | CHodapp: not all that much faster |
| 22:47.23 | rhsanborn | I mention it only as a possible indicator of a possible problem |
| 22:47.24 | peterS | rhsanborn: may be something about the drive, then, if regular CD audio playback isn't reliable |
| 22:47.37 | peterS | I mean, if you can't attribute that to simple scratches on the CDs |
| 22:47.39 | CHodapp | All I know is, I can rip CDs in about 10-15 minutes on a 48X drive |
| 22:47.51 | rhsanborn | UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2 |
| 22:47.54 | CHodapp | Ok |
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| 22:48.14 | peterS | CHodapp: yeah and most CDs have less than an hour of audio. so 15 minutes is like 3x or 4x. nothing even close to 48x. |
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| 22:48.25 | Guerin | CHodapp: 10-15 minutes is still only about 6x |
| 22:48.41 | Guerin | peterS: you stole my idea again! |
| 22:48.49 | rhsanborn | Interesting...perhaps it's a flaw with the drive then |
| 22:48.52 | CHodapp | this is with cdparanoia doing correction, usually, which slows things down |
| 22:49.03 | rhsanborn | Like I said, skips when playing |
| 22:49.23 | peterS | rhsanborn: yeah could be a dirty lens or whatever, I don't know |
| 22:49.48 | rhsanborn | Thanks for the help guys, always appreciate it |
| 22:49.50 | peterS | data CDs have a lot more redundancy in them so you don't notice problems reading data CDs nearly as quickly. except that sometimes it's slower. |
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| 22:50.20 | rhsanborn | One thing though |
| 22:50.30 | rhsanborn | A windows build plays CD's without a hitch, even under moderate CPU load... |
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| 22:51.22 | rhsanborn | If I understand this correctly, many CDROM's are capable of handling most of the tasks of playing audio CD's and can output directly to the sound card |
| 22:51.28 | peterS | rhsanborn: there are two ways to play a CD. one is to tell the drive "just do the audio decoding yourself and send tha analog audio out through your analog cable straight to the sound card". the other is digital audio extraction, and effectively playing a .wav file generated in real time |
| 22:52.01 | rhsanborn | I wonder if "CD Player" is doing exactly that, and trying to do digital... |
| 22:52.03 | peterS | rhsanborn: the latter is faster than 1x (as you noticed, you're getting 2x) so the audio app has time to correct for skips |
| 22:52.14 | peterS | rhsanborn: the former plays at exactly 1x and has no time to correct for that sort of thing |
| 22:52.24 | Mazingaro | phogg: what is your apt repositories server? |
| 22:52.25 | shadow98 | how do you connect to a proxy from cli in debian |
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| 22:52.30 | helo | anyone know of a program that can be used to allow dynamic dns with a domain you control? |
| 22:52.36 | peterS | traditional Windows "CD Player" does the first one (CD plays directly to sound card) |
| 22:52.40 | CHodapp | if you play analog, the CD-ROM electronics correct for it like a normal CD player would |
| 22:52.45 | peterS | helo: yeah, ddclient |
| 22:53.15 | rhsanborn | peterS, I guess I'll see what CD Player in debian does and see if I can find a client that does the opposite |
| 22:53.19 | Mazingaro | phogg: problem is still there |
| 22:53.22 | Guerin | shadow98: your question makes no sense |
| 22:53.27 | rhsanborn | This Cd plays fine in regular Cd players |
| 22:53.28 | peterS | rhsanborn: heh. xmms has plugins for both modes, I believe |
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| 22:53.39 | CHodapp | does your CD-ROM have a play button on front like some do? |
| 22:53.43 | helo | peterS: i don't wnat to do it through dyndns.org... i have a domain that i want my dynamic ip box to upload its up to |
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| 22:53.59 | shadow98 | Guerin: i need a way to connect to proxy from command line |
| 22:54.04 | rhsanborn | CHodapp, nah, laptop DVDROM, only has an eject button |
| 22:54.05 | peterS | helo: you didn't read about ddclient, did you? it supports more than just dyndns |
| 22:54.10 | CHodapp | ah |
| 22:54.19 | Guerin | shadow98: what you need to do is not what you're saying |
| 22:54.23 | Mazingaro | phogg: apt-get policy given me same version |
| 22:54.34 | rhsanborn | peterS, know where I might find these plugins? |
| 22:54.37 | helo | peterS: the project description mentioned "through dyndns.org"... my bad |
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| 22:54.49 | Guerin | shadow98: a proxy sits between you and another server. What other server do you want to access? a web server? or what? |
| 22:54.55 | shadow98 | ok say i want to connect to ftp server |
| 22:54.59 | Guerin | ok |
| 22:55.17 | Guerin | so you need to define a ftp proxy in your ftp client or environment |
| 22:55.20 | helo | peterS: so what about the ddserver? |
| 22:55.26 | peterS | rhsanborn: if your cd player app shows you pretty waveform pictures or just blinky volume distribution indicators - it's doing digital audio extraction. otherwise it doesn't have access to that data, if the CDROM drive is sending analog straight to the sound card |
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| 22:55.53 | helo | i suppose i could use some bash scripts and scp to do it... |
| 22:55.55 | peterS | helo: oh you also want a server which can serve ddclient-like entities? I do not know if such a thing exists in debian |
| 22:56.00 | Guerin | shadow98: i don't know if ftp is the same, but to se a http proxy, export http_proxy=http://server:port/ |
| 22:56.04 | rhsanborn | peterS, great thanks, will try that |
| 22:56.09 | shadow98 | so ftp command has a way to connect to proxy |
| 22:56.10 | helo | peterS: ahh, ok |
| 22:56.15 | peterS | helo: dynamic DNS updates are available in the 'bind9' package, but not the glue to tie this to client accounts and such |
| 22:56.24 | Guerin | shadow98: i know nothing specific about ftp proxying |
| 22:56.46 | g333k | How to set up two soundcards? |
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| 22:58.19 | shadow98 | well i guess the only way to try is connect |
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| 23:00.03 | g333k | phogg, I'm trying gtksee... and when I clic the option "small thumbnails view" it just closes suddenly |
| 23:00.13 | shadow98 | Guerin: check this out: http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorifyHOWTO#head-cb2e589c39f36696618bfe32bdd422a17dca8fa5 |
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| 23:00.25 | Guerin | shadow98: i know about tor |
| 23:01.23 | shadow98 | im talking about the proxychains |
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| 23:03.19 | fluvvell | does anyone know how to change the maximum number of open files from 1024 to a higher number? |
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| 23:03.39 | Guerin | fluvvell: there's a howto on freenode.net |
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| 23:04.33 | fluvvell | Guerin, a debian howto? |
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| 23:04.50 | abrotman | limits.conf |
| 23:04.56 | fluvvell | thx abrotman |
| 23:05.08 | streuner | if it works for your distro :-) |
| 23:05.43 | mooseman447 | how do you change the time before debian shuts off a monitor for power? |
| 23:05.59 | shadow98 | anybody here in the central ohiio lug |
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| 23:11.18 | CHodapp | nope, Cincinnati here |
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| 23:12.28 | argonel | i've just issued apt-get update, and its chugging along outputting lines like "Get:149 2006-09-20-1320.11.pdiff [13.9kB]" - its never done anything like this before. what is it up to? |
| 23:13.21 | helo | i think it is a security thing |
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| 23:13.57 | argonel | it finally stopped at 259 |
| 23:13.59 | helo | like public keys to verify package integrity |
| 23:14.05 | helo | or something like that |
| 23:14.13 | RetroJ` | I was reading about gcc, and I noticed that my debian box has no LD_LIBRARY_PATH var in the environment, but that it does have an /etc/ld.so.conf file. why is this? |
| 23:14.19 | khermans | can anyone recommend a way to combine several machines into a cluster? i want to virtualize 32 machine's resources into one |
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| 23:15.04 | karsten | khermans: three answers. |
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| 23:15.16 | karsten | khermans: beowulf, mosix, and scalable internet architectures. |
| 23:15.45 | karsten | khermans: I'd suggest you read the third, it's a book. The first two are the general unified architecture clustering solutions for Linux |
| 23:16.05 | khermans | karsten, k thx |
| 23:16.23 | karsten | !tell helo about pdiff |
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| 23:16.33 | hjubal | karsten, (local) "netstat -tupan" reports the same as remote scan with nmap, I closed unused services/sw and now chkrootkit doesn't complains.. ..perhaps it was a false positive but a test with knoppix would be a good idea |
| 23:16.40 | karsten | !tell RetroJ` about pdiff |
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| 23:16.52 | karsten | hjubal: Any particular reason you suspect a rootkit? |
| 23:17.02 | mfrisch | Has anyone gotten the debian debs of java to have a working plugin? I am using amd-64 and have tried both the ia32 and amd64 and I am linking /usr/lib/jvm/... to mozilla |
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| 23:17.24 | nvz | mfrisch: I have, but never tried on amd64 |
| 23:17.32 | hjubal | karsten, no, just reading securing debian.. ;) |
| 23:17.46 | karsten | hjubal: Enjoy! |
| 23:17.52 | hjubal | :) |
| 23:18.09 | nvz | mfrisch: I just use java-package couldnt tell you if it would/wouldnt work on amd64 though |
| 23:18.15 | tuv | mfrisch, works here on x86 (32-bit) |
| 23:18.19 | argonel | helo: ahhh. see bug 376158 |
| 23:18.19 | mfrisch | nvz: let me pass some names along...I can't figure out if one of these is the plugin |
| 23:18.28 | Guerin | java is one of those whings which needs a chroot, I think |
| 23:18.34 | tuv | mfrisch, the debian java5 packages from unstable |
| 23:18.55 | devicenull | can anyone help me with X? I'm having trouble getting it started... "Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration." |
| 23:19.11 | argonel | karsten: could have used that about pdiff myself :p |
| 23:19.13 | Guerin | devicenull: configure resolution/refresh rates |
| 23:19.25 | mfrisch | tuv: it works I just thought the debian one would include the plugin, its a craps shoot with java |
| 23:19.26 | argonel | (got it now) |
| 23:19.51 | nvz | devicenull: /msg dpkg sync |
| 23:19.54 | tuv | mfrisch, it does include the plugin.. and the plugin is working |
| 23:20.15 | devicenull | the problem with that |
| 23:20.19 | devicenull | is this is the LCD in my laptop |
| 23:20.25 | devicenull | I don't have any information on it |
| 23:20.32 | psychonate | Does anyone who installed the nvidia drivers via debs actually get "direct rendering: Yes" in glxinfo? I even get the nvidia screen before xlogin, and I still don't |
| 23:20.35 | mfrisch | tuv: on amd-64 what am I supposed to link mozilla doesn't see it |
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| 23:20.41 | nvz | devicenull: make/model? |
| 23:20.46 | devicenull | inspiron 2600 |
| 23:20.51 | nvz | devicenull: make/model? |
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| 23:21.00 | nvz | devicenull: xfree86 or xorg |
| 23:21.01 | helo | haha its cafuego! |
| 23:21.02 | fiendskull9 | hey guys |
| 23:21.03 | devicenull | xfree |
| 23:21.11 | fiendskull9 | anyone wanna help beta-test something? |
| 23:21.18 | nvz | devicenull: 2600 would be a series and dell makes computers for _you_ you can generally put anything in them |
| 23:21.21 | tuv | mfrisch, i have no idea how it is supposed to work on amd64.. on x86 32-bit here |
| 23:21.28 | helo | fiendskull9: ask me when you're ready for omega-testing... |
| 23:21.51 | devicenull | nvz, I dont think dell lets you customize the screen |
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| 23:21.59 | nvz | devicenull: most all laptops have something written on the screen or something but the real model number is on the bottom |
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| 23:22.16 | nvz | devicenull: there were probably 20 or more in that series I cant try look it up by that |
| 23:22.16 | cafuego | helo: Hostname required |
| 23:22.22 | mfrisch | tuv: OK there is 32 and 64 bit java and some versions actually have plugins. ;-) |
| 23:22.35 | nvz | devicenull: did you tell debconf you were using an lcd? |
| 23:22.43 | devicenull | yes |
| 23:22.55 | nvz | devicenull: and what options did you use? |
| 23:23.06 | cree | is someone here that might help me with some pcmcia issues? |
| 23:23.12 | nvz | simple, medium, advanced |
| 23:23.19 | devicenull | medium |
| 23:23.22 | tuv | cree, just state your problem |
| 23:23.25 | devicenull | 1024x896 @ 60hz |
| 23:23.30 | devicenull | *786 |
| 23:23.32 | nvz | o.O |
| 23:23.33 | helo | :) |
| 23:23.52 | nvz | devicenull: try a different refresh rate maybe? |
| 23:24.04 | nvz | since I have no idea what the hardware is |
| 23:24.38 | tuv | devicenull, did you mean 768? |
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| 23:24.43 | devicenull | yea |
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| 23:25.11 | tuv | devicenull, i once had X trouble because i had 786 instead of 768, so make sure that's not your problem |
| 23:25.19 | nvz | hmm #220461 may be slightly related to the issues I am seeing |
| 23:25.30 | devicenull | tuv, I went through the configure program, I didn't hand configure it |
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| 23:25.51 | tuv | devicenull, paste your X log |
| 23:25.58 | devicenull | sec |
| 23:26.02 | tuv | devicenull, not here |
| 23:26.04 | devicenull | I know |
| 23:26.39 | tuv | devicenull, good.. just being cautious |
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| 23:27.07 | karsten | argonel: Yeah, confused me first time I ran into it too. |
| 23:27.41 | devicenull | nvz, from the doc's I can get from dell, 1024x768 @60hz is correct |
| 23:27.46 | devicenull | and there are only two possible lcd's |
| 23:29.01 | nvz | devicenull: ok heres how it is. xfree86 will calculate "screens" to use if the screens dont work either the monitor specs are wrong, the driver is wrong, or you didnt choose compatible resolution options, or perhaps not enough vram |
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| 23:29.13 | nvz | devicenull: you need to be specific about your hardware and configuration options |
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| 23:29.29 | cree | its about the yenta_socket problem. lsmod tells me that pcmcia_core is used by yenta_socket. i used the pcmcia-cs.deb package before that i think uses the i82535 (dont know the excact word) socket. i purged the pcmcia-cs.deb and now i dont have any pcmcia scripts anymore eg. /etc/init.d/pcmcia and cardmgr. i read about pcmciautils but those seem to be for 2.6.13 kernel , while i use 2.6.8. How may i be able to let my pcmcia be recogniz |
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| 23:29.42 | nvz | devicenull: what driver you are using, what video hardware you have.. if said yes or no to framebuffer.. |
| 23:30.06 | blackelf | is it easy to make a .deb out of own program in binary format, sign it and make a repo? |
| 23:30.17 | abrotman | !tell blackelf about nm |
| 23:30.21 | abrotman | !tell blackelf about repository |
| 23:30.34 | devicenull | okay: i810 X driver, i830 kernel driver, i830M chipset,.. I don't ever recall being asked about a framebuffer |
| 23:30.36 | blackelf | neat |
| 23:31.02 | peterS | blackelf: I wouldn't say it's _easy_, but the process is documented and it's knowledge you're likely to use more than once if you're into this sort of thing |
| 23:31.12 | nvz | devicenull: could you paste the full log into a pastebin? |
| 23:31.19 | devicenull | I'm working on it |
| 23:31.25 | nvz | devicenull: lspci ingo wouldnt hurt in with it |
| 23:31.36 | magyar | anyone using sid and fglrx drivers from repos? |
| 23:32.26 | devicenull | http://devicenull.org/XFree86.0.log and http://devicenull.org/lspci.log |
| 23:32.28 | hjubal | bye (goodnight) |
| 23:32.41 | peterS | <vorlon> fglrx is short for "fireglorx", a web browser |
| 23:33.23 | magyar | ati video drivers |
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| 23:34.00 | nvz | devicenull: OS Kernel: Linux version 2.6.8-486 (root@debian) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) o.O |
| 23:34.11 | devicenull | wha? |
| 23:34.32 | nvz | looks weird. -486 kernel on that thing? |
| 23:34.43 | devicenull | I just finished recompiling it |
| 23:34.48 | devicenull | dunno why it says 486 |
| 23:35.01 | devicenull | I'll have to do it again when I get a chance |
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| 23:35.11 | devicenull | unless thats causing problems? |
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| 23:35.49 | devicenull | I am certain 1024x768@60 is right |
| 23:35.56 | devicenull | that is what I used in windows with no problems. |
| 23:35.58 | abrotman | not 59 ? |
| 23:36.16 | devicenull | the doc's from dell agree with me too |
| 23:36.19 | devicenull | yea, its 60 |
| 23:36.19 | tuv | devicenull, could you paste your X config file? |
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| 23:36.48 | devicenull | sec |
| 23:37.28 | devicenull | http://devicenull.org/XF86Config-4 |
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| 23:37.45 | nvz | seems strange its only seeing 8mb video memory |
| 23:37.56 | abrotman | and 8mb should work for 1024 |
| 23:37.57 | blackelf | devicenull: are you comming soon? |
| 23:38.03 | devicenull | yes, I am :P |
| 23:38.03 | nvz | I am not surprised to see the checksum errors on the vbios either |
| 23:38.08 | nvz | damn laptops |
| 23:38.08 | abrotman | coming soon ? |
| 23:38.17 | blackelf | I suppose hes watching pr0n |
| 23:38.19 | thejnaitor | how do I allow two groups access to the same directory? |
| 23:38.21 | tuv | devicenull, change default depth to 24 (it's 8 now) |
| 23:38.22 | devicenull | devicenull.org has said coming soon since I put the site up |
| 23:38.35 | abrotman | might need a kernel option to reserve some shared RAM for X |
| 23:38.37 | blackelf | thejnaitor: hmm perhaps ACL? |
| 23:38.37 | tuv | devicenull, (**) I810(0): Depth 8, (--) framebuffer bpp 8 |
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| 23:38.50 | tuv | devicenull, (**) I810(0): DRI is disabled because it runs only at depths 16 and 24. |
| 23:39.02 | devicenull | can I do 16 instead? |
| 23:39.04 | tuv | devicenull, (EE) I810(0): No Video BIOS modes for chosen depth. |
| 23:39.06 | blackelf | tuv: change color depth to 16 or 24 |
| 23:39.07 | devicenull | I am low on video memory. |
| 23:39.09 | nvz | devicenull: gotta chage your depth |
| 23:39.09 | abrotman | devicenull: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 .. pick ONE resolution and ONE bit depth .. try again |
| 23:39.15 | blackelf | I am hogh on weed |
| 23:39.16 | thejnaitor | blackelf: what is ACL? |
| 23:39.18 | blackelf | *high |
| 23:39.21 | nvz | tuv: bah no scroll wheel I just got to the end of the log |
| 23:39.28 | blackelf | thejnaitor: access controll list, but I never used it actually. |
| 23:39.38 | nvz | tuv: well I got a scroll wheel it just doesnt work on this mouse |
| 23:39.42 | ugly | are most modern portable hardware mp3 players usable as USB Mass Storage devices? |
| 23:39.45 | blackelf | thejnaitor: google ACL linux howto, and search apt-cache for tools |
| 23:39.54 | blackelf | ugly: yes, but some are buggy. |
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| 23:40.00 | ugly | blackelf: ok |
| 23:40.03 | thejnaitor | blackelf: thanks |
| 23:40.04 | blackelf | ugly: also, I dont reccomend iShit |
| 23:40.14 | ugly | heh I can't afford their decent players anyway |
| 23:40.17 | blackelf | ugly: buy a real mp3/ogg player, not iPod |
| 23:40.29 | Guerin | buy an iAudio |
| 23:40.32 | blackelf | ugly: most decent mp3 players are *cheaper* then iPods |
| 23:40.32 | Guerin | they kick arse |
| 23:40.34 | ugly | I was looking at Samsung's YP-7T, but information is scant |
| 23:40.35 | shwag | if I boot into windows I see pull up this site just fine, but if I am in linux I am unable to view the site. Says "Making connection..." and can't connect. |
| 23:40.50 | ugly | (relating to linux) |
| 23:40.53 | blackelf | ugly: google for info, are better yet - email vendor/producent with question |
| 23:41.01 | peterS | how many legs does an ipod have? |
| 23:41.02 | blackelf | ugly: let them now we demand quality support in linux |
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| 23:41.23 | nvz | peterS: none they are incapacitated pods |
| 23:41.30 | ugly | heh |
| 23:41.34 | blackelf | as are they users |
| 23:41.37 | Guerin | peterS: depends if it's a ceniPod or a milliPod |
| 23:41.39 | peterS | I guess I should have asked how many _feet_, since that's what pod actually means |
| 23:41.41 | devicenull | I chose 1024x768 16bit, @60hz |
| 23:41.44 | devicenull | same error. |
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| 23:41.55 | blackelf | devicenull: < 80hz is bad for eyes unlss LCD |
| 23:42.00 | devicenull | it is lcd |
| 23:42.01 | nvz | peterS: they expect you to carry them around everywhere |
| 23:42.03 | blackelf | devicenull: do you have a recent kernel? |
| 23:42.05 | ugly | Guerin: and how do you use the iaudio with linux? just mounted as a USB storage device or? |
| 23:42.07 | devicenull | blackelf, yes |
| 23:42.08 | blackelf | devicenull: you are using i810 driver? |
| 23:42.14 | blackelf | devicenull: upgrae kernel to 2.6 |
| 23:42.15 | abrotman | LOG LOG LOG |
| 23:42.15 | nvz | peterS: ipod, means you are the pod |
| 23:42.16 | devicenull | the i830 kernel driver |
| 23:42.21 | blackelf | devicenull: i810 fails on 2.4 |
| 23:42.22 | devicenull | blackelf, I did |
| 23:42.23 | Guerin | devicenull: specify a refresh range of something like 55-75 in the x config |
| 23:42.29 | devicenull | blackelf, I'm already at 2.6 |
| 23:42.33 | blackelf | devicenull: which model? paste lspci related |
| 23:42.43 | nvz | peterS: so there's your answer all you have to do is say it to figure that one out |
| 23:42.45 | devicenull | http://devicenull.org/lspci.log |
| 23:42.46 | Guerin | ugly: yeah, just UMS. Plays ogg and flac, too |
| 23:42.51 | devicenull | is the output from lspci |
| 23:43.03 | blackelf | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 23:43.03 | blackelf | 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 23:43.07 | Guerin | devicenull: also see the output of hwinfo --monitor |
| 23:43.11 | blackelf | and it works here on i810 xorg |
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| 23:44.04 | abrotman | X4 doesn't work with intel 9xx |
| 23:44.06 | blackelf | devicenull: well I have i915 and i945 exacly |
| 23:44.12 | blackelf | abrotman: whats X4? |
| 23:44.15 | devicenull | I have i830 for hardware |
| 23:44.21 | abrotman | it's what devicenull is using afaict |
| 23:44.23 | devicenull | i810 for X driver, i830 for kernel driver |
| 23:44.35 | devicenull | 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82830 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 04) |
| 23:44.40 | devicenull | that is my video card |
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| 23:44.47 | blackelf | devicenull: hmm.. I use just i810 as xorg driver and normal stock 2.6 kernel |
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| 23:45.08 | abrotman | the 8xx work with X4 |
| 23:45.09 | devicenull | Guerin, vertical or horizontal range |
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| 23:45.12 | abrotman | where's the log ? |
| 23:45.12 | mfrisch | tuv: got java plugin to work.....used blackdown |
| 23:45.14 | blackelf | what in the hell is X4 O_o |
| 23:45.23 | blackelf | is it other the xorg X server or what |
| 23:45.35 | devicenull | Guerin, I don't have a hwinfo command |
| 23:45.42 | blackelf | devicenull: apt-get install |
| 23:45.45 | devicenull | yea |
| 23:45.48 | devicenull | I figured as much |
| 23:45.50 | Guerin | !installit |
| 23:45.50 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 23:45.54 | Guerin | devicenull: vertical |
| 23:45.59 | blackelf | it doesnt? OH NOES |
| 23:46.22 | jelly-home | X-Men 4? |
| 23:46.24 | blackelf | !dpkg search corel_draw |
| 23:46.25 | devicenull | I get no output from hwinfo --monitor |
| 23:46.41 | Supaplex | you have to have hardware first. ;) |
| 23:46.44 | Supaplex | hehe jk |
| 23:47.03 | Guerin | then you have no monitor |
| 23:47.22 | devicenull | 55-75, no change |
| 23:47.25 | blackelf | devicenull: there is the LCD panel in your laptop actually? |
| 23:47.31 | devicenull | yes |
| 23:47.32 | blackelf | devicenull: are you shure? |
| 23:47.39 | devicenull | I'm using it to see the console |
| 23:47.40 | blackelf | devicenull: positivly? |
| 23:47.43 | devicenull | yes. |
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| 23:47.47 | blackelf | rly? |
| 23:47.58 | devicenull | I'd take a picture of it, but I lack a camera |
| 23:48.00 | blackelf | heh :P |
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| 23:48.06 | Xorm | hmm |
| 23:48.23 | Xorm | I get a lot better FPS in WolfET in debian than in windows XP |
| 23:48.23 | devicenull | well, either I have a LCD or I've developed some type of psyhic interface with my laptop |
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| 23:48.30 | blackelf | devicenull: email the laptop shop in which you biught it and yield at CEO |
| 23:48.35 | devicenull | if so, I need somone to write a driver for my psyhic interface. |
| 23:48.38 | blackelf | "wtf this doesnt work on my debian mon?!" |
| 23:48.44 | devicenull | blackelf, bought this off ebay four years ago |
| 23:48.55 | blackelf | well, then go for ebay CEO, of course |
| 23:49.14 | devicenull | 6P662 LIQUID CRYSTAL DISPLAY, EXTENDED GRAPHICS ARRAY, STANDARD PANELS WORKING GROUP, 14.1, BURST MODE INVERTER, SAMSUNG |
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| 23:49.20 | devicenull | is the LCD, according to dell |
| 23:49.23 | devicenull | thats all they give me |
| 23:49.40 | blackelf | devicenull: I would in addition to try if it works in knoppix |
| 23:49.45 | mooseman447 | what does it mean mplayer doesnt need x? |
| 23:49.51 | devicenull | I tried ubuntu, it didnt work |
| 23:49.54 | peterS | devicenull: so, you're sure it's an LCD? |
| 23:49.54 | Xorm | It runs in CLI mode? |
| 23:49.56 | blackelf | also, how about using some fall-back driver like VESA? will that work |
| 23:50.13 | peterS | devicenull: 'cause, you know, it could be a really really thin CRT |
| 23:50.15 | devicenull | wow, my battery is 5 years old, no wonder its dead |
| 23:50.22 | devicenull | [19:49] [devicenull] 6P662 LIQUID CRYSTAL DISPLAY, EXTENDED GRAPHICS ARRAY, STANDARD PANELS WORKING GROUP, 14.1, BURST MODE INVERTER, SAMSUNG |
| 23:50.23 | blackelf | peterS: heh |
| 23:50.24 | chafe | what repositories should i be using if i want software that isnt on the debian repositories and is probably non-free |
| 23:50.31 | devicenull | a really thin CRT labeled as an LCD from dell? |
| 23:50.34 | paras | channel, my laptop touchpad not functioning well. automiatically dbl clicks |
| 23:50.35 | devicenull | somehow, it wouldnt surprise me |
| 23:50.37 | Bertram | I just saw i810 here and there. Has someone managed to make the 3D acceleration work in sid ? |
| 23:50.42 | peterS | devicenull: tricksy dells, yesssss |
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| 23:50.50 | devicenull | Bertram, no I can't even get into X |
| 23:50.59 | blackelf | Bertram: I have 3d working nicelly on i915 in my nx6110 |
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| 23:51.22 | blackelf | Bertram: I got the binary X org driver from X.org site |
| 23:51.26 | blackelf | devicenull: thry this as well |
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| 23:51.31 | blackelf | there was a wiki entry... |
| 23:51.32 | peterS | devicenull: wait are you on sarge or sid here? I thought I heard you say sid earlier, but that could be my imagination |
| 23:51.34 | blackelf | anyone? abrotman? |
| 23:51.36 | devicenull | okay |
| 23:51.37 | blackelf | !xorg |
| 23:51.37 | dpkg | xorg is probably X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 23:51.41 | blackelf | !i810 |
| 23:51.42 | Bertram | blackelf: Which binaries did you get ? |
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| 23:51.50 | devicenull | hwinfo | less, I managed to find stuff about the display controller |
| 23:51.51 | blackelf | I am searching 4 factoid |
| 23:51.52 | peterS | !xorg =~ s/R7.0/R7.1/ |
| 23:51.52 | dpkg | peterS: OK |
| 23:52.01 | devicenull | hwinfo identifies it as an ATI i830 |
| 23:52.09 | devicenull | with a vendor of "Intel" |
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| 23:52.30 | peterS | devicenull: I can guarantee you ATI does not make Intel 830 chips |
| 23:52.31 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 23:52.36 | devicenull | I realize that |
| 23:52.41 | blackelf | devicenull: google for binary xorg driver for i810 debian. give result to Bertram as well |
| 23:52.45 | chafe | what repositories should i use if i want /everything/ |
| 23:52.59 | lkthomas | I got a file which have tons of ^M, how could I change it back to normal ? |
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| 23:53.22 | peterS | lkthomas: tr -d '\r' < file > file.new should do it |
| 23:53.29 | lkthomas | thanks |
| 23:53.32 | blackelf | chafe: lkthomas dos2unix |
| 23:53.42 | peterS | I think tr supports \r, if not, try tr -d '\015' |
| 23:53.56 | abrotman | blackelf: for what ? |
| 23:53.59 | devicenull | blackelf, I'm using xfree though |
| 23:54.03 | devicenull | so I'll search for that |
| 23:54.04 | SubStack | or sed 's/\r//g' |
| 23:54.19 | abrotman | blackelf: yes .. wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 or something like that |
| 23:54.20 | peterS | SubStack: well, yeah, if you don't like tr |
| 23:54.22 | blackelf | abrotman: whers wiki about i810 x.org on testring |
| 23:54.24 | abrotman | blackelf: but i think it's fixed now |
| 23:54.29 | lkthomas | tr: too many arguments |
| 23:54.34 | blackelf | devicenull: install xorg |
| 23:54.37 | Bertram | blackelf: I saw in debian.org XFreeToXorg or something like that (in the wiki) that you ahd to copy *_dri.so to something like /usr/X11/module. I tried it but never worked... I must do something wrong. |
| 23:54.50 | blackelf | Bertram: use xorg and 2.6 kernel |
| 23:54.56 | devicenull | apt-get remove --purge xserver-xfree? |
| 23:54.59 | devicenull | then install xorg? |
| 23:55.04 | abrotman | Bertram: when was the last time you updated? mine just magically fixed itself one day |
| 23:55.28 | Bertram | abrotman: In fact, I update almost everyday |
| 23:55.40 | devicenull | xfree uninstalling |
| 23:55.55 | Bertram | blackelf: xorg and 2.6.17 kernel installed |
| 23:56.04 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:56.08 | devicenull | is xorg not in apt? |
| 23:56.20 | devicenull | !dpkg search xorg |
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| 23:57.07 | danieldg | I think I've been able to use 3d for a while on 915GM Intel card using i810, with sid... |
| 23:57.09 | lkthomas | where could I download dos2unix ? |
| 23:57.37 | danieldg | to my knowledge, I don't have a binary driver either |
| 23:57.38 | devicenull | I need to do a normal install of xorg, no package for it? |
| 23:57.53 | danieldg | xserver-xorg? |
| 23:58.02 | devicenull | isnt being recognized |
| 23:58.07 | devicenull | nor can I find it on the website |
| 23:58.17 | abrotman | where's the log ? |
| 23:58.25 | devicenull | oh |
| 23:58.27 | danieldg | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/xserver-xorg ? |
| 23:58.28 | devicenull | I cant read the topic |
| 23:58.33 | devicenull | I'm on stable atm |
| 23:58.46 | danieldg | ah, I saw sid there... |
| 23:58.50 | danieldg | sorry |
| 23:58.55 | devicenull | theres a backport for it though |
