| 00:00.09 | abrotman | log log log! |
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| 00:01.40 | Bertram | log log log : The new title of robbie William, am I wrong ? |
| 00:02.38 | blackelf | lol log lol |
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| 00:02.52 | abrotman | it's big it's heavy it's wood |
| 00:02.56 | blackelf | Bertram: paste to cpp.sf.net the Xorg log |
| 00:03.21 | Bertram | ok thanks |
| 00:03.35 | lkthomas | anyone using VHCS on debian ? |
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| 00:04.43 | devicenull | so if I just change my sources for apt, is that the same as going from stable to testing |
| 00:04.52 | abrotman | isn't vhcs like cpanel ? |
| 00:05.09 | lkthomas | abrotman: yes |
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| 00:05.15 | abrotman | no |
| 00:05.19 | lkthomas | abrotman: but I got blank page, I would like to know why |
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| 00:05.51 | abrotman | i don't think there is anything like cpanel or vhcs in debian |
| 00:06.23 | chafe | how do i set up a new apt repository |
| 00:06.28 | chafe | add them |
| 00:06.41 | abrotman | repository for what ? |
| 00:07.05 | lkthomas | abrotman: I mean after I manual install it |
| 00:07.08 | devicenull | how do I go from stable to testing without reinstalling |
| 00:07.17 | devicenull | edit sources in sources.list? |
| 00:07.18 | abrotman | lkthomas: i'd ask them |
| 00:07.22 | SalsaDoom | Hi fellas. make-kpkg seems to have mysteriously broken on me. It doesn't seem to find my kernel version correctly, instead it refereces it as "..-10.00.Custom". Anyone know what the problem is for this symptom? I'm running unstable. |
| 00:07.23 | abrotman | !tell devicenull about sarge->etch |
| 00:07.41 | devicenull | ah, I was right |
| 00:07.43 | devicenull | I love apt. |
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| 00:08.02 | Bertram | blackelf : pasted /var/log/Xorg.0.log in http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=20338 |
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| 00:08.45 | abrotman | Bertram: that's not testing/etch |
| 00:09.12 | Bertram | ? |
| 00:09.23 | devicenull | Okay, I'm going to etch, then I'm going to install xorg |
| 00:09.40 | abrotman | Bertram: etch is still X7.0.0 |
| 00:10.05 | SalsaDoom | Guys, don't bother talking to devicenull, he's just going to ignore everything you say to him. |
| 00:10.06 | Bertram | And I'm in unstable |
| 00:10.19 | devicenull | SalsaDoom, what? |
| 00:10.31 | SalsaDoom | devicenull: lol, get it? dev/null right? :D |
| 00:11.00 | devicenull | yea |
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| 00:11.44 | Bertram | abrotman : deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free. That's what I've got from my sources.list |
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| 00:12.24 | abrotman | Bertram: i thought you said you were running etch/testing |
| 00:12.25 | jcole | anyone here have a *serial* (NOT usb) gps unit and have gotten it to work with gpsd? |
| 00:12.48 | jcole | i've been googling for 2 days and figure this damn thing out |
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| 00:13.11 | jcole | it works with the usb version (which is not mine) |
| 00:13.18 | mooseman447 | hey |
| 00:13.20 | minerale | is there a gui sftp/scp client anyone could recommend me? (or a CLI one that has autocompletion) |
| 00:13.23 | Bertram | abrotman: ok. In fact, it's true I never told it. |
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| 00:13.33 | SalsaDoom | minerale: gftp supports sftp, and its nice |
| 00:13.34 | abrotman | Bertram: anyways .. |
| 00:14.03 | mooseman447 | how do you change the time for debian to put the monitor into standby? |
| 00:14.16 | abrotman | Bertram: (WW) I810(0): xf86AllocateGARTMemory: allocation of 16 pages failed |
| 00:14.16 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.17 | Bertram | abrotman: anyways ? |
| 00:14.26 | abrotman | Bertram: but i'm not really an X expert .. that might be normal |
| 00:14.33 | abrotman | mooseman447: xset is one way |
| 00:14.34 | Bertram | k |
| 00:14.43 | jcole | it's this one -> http://images.google.com/images?q=earthmate%20hyperformance |
| 00:14.56 | shwag_ | how can I force a runlevel at boot time so that Xorg doesn't try to load ? |
| 00:15.07 | abrotman | !tell shwag_ about nodm |
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| 00:15.45 | mooseman447 | abrotman what if i only use text mode? |
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| 00:16.01 | abrotman | !tell mooseman447 about blanking |
| 00:16.05 | abrotman | !tell mooseman447 about blank |
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| 00:16.38 | Bertram | shwag_: imagename init 1 |
| 00:16.57 | mooseman447 | i cant find blank? |
| 00:16.58 | Bertram | imagename is the image name you gave to your kernel image |
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| 00:17.24 | styx | hello |
| 00:17.27 | Presently42 | dpkg returns exit error status 128 when purging linux-image-2.6.17-2-686. I have removed it but can't purge it. Why? |
| 00:17.59 | abrotman | Bertram: i don't see any real reason other than that line above as to why it wouldn't work |
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| 00:18.01 | styx | what is broadcast address for 172.16.31.10/255.255.255.0 ? |
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| 00:18.50 | mrec | hi, can someone help me to test my asterisk voip installation with kphone? |
| 00:18.53 | styx | hello? |
| 00:19.04 | mooseman447 | ok i ran that command so the screen wont turn off? |
| 00:19.15 | Bertram | abrotman: thanks for seeing that |
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| 00:19.22 | mooseman447 | what would i add to the end of bootmisc if i wanted to add it again? |
| 00:19.26 | magnus | anyone running dapper64 here? |
| 00:19.38 | abrotman | Bertram: maybe ask #xorg |
| 00:19.40 | styx | what is broadcast address for 172.16.31.10/255.255.255.0 ? telnet/ssh is acting weird it slows down in logon |
| 00:19.52 | abrotman | mooseman447: just put it in there |
| 00:19.55 | styx | need help |
| 00:20.01 | abrotman | styx: it's a rdns issue most likely |
| 00:20.07 | mooseman447 | abrotman what is "it" ? |
| 00:20.12 | Bertram | abrotman: indeed |
| 00:20.22 | abrotman | mooseman447: it's it! |
| 00:20.22 | dan2 | abrotman: where has Leimy been? I haven't seen him on irc recently |
| 00:20.26 | ZnR | time to sleep |
| 00:20.28 | ZnR | nn |
| 00:20.29 | Presently42 | magnus: This is a debian-only irc. |
| 00:20.32 | xopher | magnus: this is debian, not ubuntu |
| 00:20.33 | abrotman | dan2: i haven't chatted with him recently either :) |
| 00:20.36 | styx | abrotman: what is rdns ? |
| 00:20.44 | abrotman | reverse dns lookups |
| 00:20.50 | magnus | thx, i tried ubuntu first, just trying my luck |
| 00:20.52 | styx | go it |
| 00:21.03 | mooseman447 | just put "it" without quotes? |
| 00:21.15 | abrotman | mooseman447: no . the sam eline |
| 00:21.22 | mooseman447 | oooooo |
| 00:21.28 | mooseman447 | i thought the 0 would turn it off again |
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| 00:22.06 | abrotman | !blank |
| 00:22.06 | dpkg | i heard blank is a budget screensaver for linux. To turn it off, run 'setterm -blank 0'. At the same time, you may want to add that to the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 00:22.11 | abrotman | put that line in that file |
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| 00:23.31 | freeone3000 | I'm trying to configure glibc for SH4, referred here from #gnu. |
| 00:23.34 | freeone3000 | I've got the SH4 bootstrapping (not full) compiler, and I'm configuring glibc with the line: CC=sh4-linux-gcc ../configure --host=$TARGET --prefix=$PREFIX --disable-sanity-checks --disable-debug --disable-profile --with-headers=$PREFIX/$TARGET/include |
| 00:23.50 | abrotman | wtf is SH4 ? |
| 00:23.50 | freeone3000 | However, it errors out on the line: checking size of long double... configure: error: cannot compute sizeof (long double), 77 |
| 00:24.04 | freeone3000 | Super hatachi 4. It's an obscure architecture. |
| 00:24.14 | Presently42 | Any clues? |
| 00:24.16 | abrotman | so you got sent to ... #debian ? |
| 00:24.29 | freeone3000 | I got sent to my host system's maintainer... >.> |
| 00:24.39 | abrotman | i am?! |
| 00:24.53 | freeone3000 | And since the sources from debian, #debian seemed the logical place. |
| 00:24.53 | epsilon | ssl question: I bought an 1year-valid ssl cert. Can I now act like an intermediate and sign other domains, which browsers will auto-accept like my valid ssl cert? |
| 00:25.03 | abrotman | it's the sh port of debian ? |
| 00:25.12 | freeone3000 | There's a SH port of debian? |
| 00:25.32 | abrotman | isn't that what you're using ? |
| 00:25.44 | freeone3000 | Nope, currently on good old x86, just cross-compiling for it. |
| 00:25.58 | abrotman | there used to be |
| 00:26.00 | abrotman | oh |
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| 00:28.02 | freeone3000 | hppa, i386, ia64, mips, powerpc, sparc... no sh. |
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| 00:28.37 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
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| 00:28.53 | tyreth | Hi, I'm running php5 with mysql 4.1 - but phpinfo() reports that I have mysql client api 4.0.x - is there a package I need to update that I haven't? |
| 00:29.15 | freeone3000 | abrotman: THe link's broken and it's in the 'now coming' part. |
| 00:29.17 | abrotman | libmysqlclient ? |
| 00:29.24 | abrotman | freeone3000: i don't maintain the website! |
| 00:29.34 | freeone3000 | abrotman: So... I'd go with a 'no' on that one. :) |
| 00:29.42 | tyreth | abrotman, libmysqlclient14 is already latest. 15 requires mysql 5 which I'm not using |
| 00:29.54 | abrotman | freeone3000: things just don't disappear from the internet! |
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| 00:30.07 | freeone3000 | But anyways. Any tips on how I should configure glibc so that I don't get 'cannot calculate size of long double'? |
| 00:30.13 | abrotman | tyreth: then i think you've done what you can .. you can ask #mysql if it seems wrong |
| 00:30.24 | freeone3000 | I got it through apt-get source glibc. So. |
| 00:30.27 | tyreth | ok |
| 00:31.03 | abrotman | freeone3000: anything in the bts? which glibc ? |
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| 00:31.24 | freeone3000 | abrotman: From the directory, glibc-2.3.6.ds1 |
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| 00:32.08 | cornell | I'm trying to get nvidia graphics card recognized... I'm told I can use install-nvidia-debian.sh, but it wants a driver version... How can I find the version for my GeForce 6600 G |
| 00:32.12 | abrotman | freeone3000: ok .. that's etch/sid .. have you checked the bts at all? |
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| 00:32.29 | simonrvn | "BTS?" |
| 00:32.46 | freeone3000 | Bug trackers. |
| 00:32.59 | freeone3000 | abrotman: I'm trying to. The bug tracker seems to be slow (Yes, I know it's not your problem.) |
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| 00:33.28 | abrotman | no . it's slow here too |
| 00:33.43 | simonrvn | freeone3000: i know, was just imitating people who have been here before and someone tells them about the bts, and they go "BTS?". and sometimes they're running sid (!) |
| 00:34.46 | freeone3000 | abrotman: Doesn't seem to have anything, but then, I'm just ctrl-fing through the list. |
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| 00:35.03 | abrotman | that's what i did :) |
| 00:35.26 | abrotman | freeone3000: which compiler |
| 00:35.31 | abrotman | wtf runs a damn sh cpu |
| 00:35.44 | infernix | epsilon: depends on the cert you've gotten, but most likely no. |
| 00:35.59 | freeone3000 | abrotman: Sega Dreamcasts. |
| 00:36.10 | abrotman | i thought there was an ISO for that |
| 00:36.35 | freeone3000 | Quite probably. |
| 00:37.06 | abrotman | !dreamcast |
| 00:37.08 | abrotman | oh well |
| 00:37.13 | infernix | !dream on |
| 00:37.25 | abrotman | !dreamcast linux |
| 00:37.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dreamcast linux is at http://linuxdc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:37.33 | markrw | I am getting a critical error when I try and run cenon on a kanotix/debian system. anyone seeing the same problem (and possibly have a solution ?) |
| 00:37.35 | infernix | impressive |
| 00:37.37 | infernix | :) |
| 00:37.50 | cornell | Anybody have an idea? |
| 00:38.01 | abrotman | markrw: it's either kanotix or debian |
| 00:38.09 | chafe | how do i install kernel sources via apt |
| 00:38.14 | abrotman | markrw: and you probably want to ask #kanotix |
| 00:38.21 | abrotman | chafe: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 00:38.24 | litage | is the official linux website kernel.org? |
| 00:38.25 | infernix | chafe: apt-cache search kernel-source, then apt-get install one of them |
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| 00:38.36 | epsilon | infernix: how do I check that? |
| 00:38.56 | abrotman | litage: ask #kernel |
| 00:38.56 | chafe | aaah |
| 00:39.05 | litage | thanks |
| 00:39.07 | infernix | epsilon: depends on your request. did you request it for a specific server(e.g. host)name? |
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| 00:39.41 | markrw | tks abrotman |
| 00:39.44 | infernix | epsilon: cause that's most likely for 1 year certs one would request |
| 00:40.08 | epsilon | infernix: yes, for my domain |
| 00:40.22 | chafe | oh god |
| 00:40.30 | chafe | i dont remember a kernel source being like 32 mb |
| 00:40.51 | infernix | epsilon: depending on the cert it can be issued for *.domain.tld, but nothing outside that. i'd do some general reading up on how certs work |
| 00:41.31 | epsilon | infernix: ok |
| 00:44.47 | abrotman | chafe: have you used linux in the last .. four years ? |
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| 00:46.10 | Kyuss | oh, durr, was gonna freak out there for a second |
| 00:46.19 | abrotman | you broke X ? |
| 00:46.40 | Kyuss | No, I thought the USPS delivered that watch I ordered to somebody else |
| 00:46.51 | Kyuss | I broke X yesterday |
| 00:46.54 | abrotman | must be a good watch |
| 00:47.09 | Kyuss | http://ht.bidz.com/ht/prod?lotID=15294640 |
| 00:47.14 | epsilon | infernix: I compared the certs of my domain and of the signing-companies, and found the usage section - sadly I can't sign myself. Anyway, thanks for the hint :) |
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| 00:48.24 | Kyuss | abrotman: the subdials don't work... but I don't know that I would ever use those anyway |
| 00:48.39 | abrotman | sundials ? |
| 00:49.00 | Kyuss | subdials, I think its some sort of altimeter |
| 00:49.10 | abrotman | they don't work? |
| 00:49.14 | Kyuss | Nope |
| 00:49.20 | Kyuss | the watch works though |
| 00:49.41 | abrotman | those are normally dayoftheweek/dayofthemonth/etc |
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| 00:50.25 | Kyuss | not on this watch |
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| 00:50.49 | abrotman | eh .. ok |
| 00:50.54 | grew_ | i accidentally blew away my MBR, I booted off the install cd, mounted my drive, and chrooted to it. How can i have grub reinstall my boot loader? |
| 00:50.59 | grew_ | ??grub |
| 00:51.25 | abrotman | grub-install |
| 00:51.28 | jelly-home | eh, grub-install? |
| 00:51.41 | kepht | i've just done an upgrade and ready'd a dist-upgrade on (testing) ..and yet apt is saying it will remove my both of my email clients: sylpheed/claws ??? |
| 00:51.43 | grew_ | abrotman: the manpage for it gives next to no info, what commands do i pass it? |
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| 00:51.58 | abrotman | grew_: grub-install /dev/hda or whereever you want it |
| 00:52.27 | grew_ | abrotman: that will install based on my /boot/grub/menu.1st ?? |
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| 00:52.40 | abrotman | if you've done your chroot correctly |
| 00:52.50 | grew_ | chroot /mnt /bin/bash |
| 00:52.57 | grew_ | its right |
| 00:52.58 | grew_ | ok thanks |
| 00:53.06 | grew_ | it diddnt seem to do anything when i ran that |
| 00:53.13 | grew_ | wanted to make sure i wasnt going to eat my partition |
| 00:54.32 | Kyuss | Why wouldn't you want to eat your partition? Partitions are tasty! |
| 00:54.44 | Kyuss | Or maybe that was persimmons... |
| 00:56.29 | Kyuss | Ok, how can I take divx files and turn them into a format that can be read by a dvd player? |
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| 00:58.34 | Blissex | Kyuss: yes. |
| 00:58.51 | Blissex | Kyuss: check out Doom9.net for various advice on recoding stuff. |
| 00:59.06 | Blissex | Kyuss: also, many DVD players can play DivX files. |
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| 01:00.55 | stoned | hola |
| 01:01.08 | dvs | stoned: shuddup! |
| 01:01.12 | dvs | ;-) |
| 01:01.18 | stoned | o_O |
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| 01:01.30 | dvs | stoned: we know you ain't Spanish |
| 01:01.50 | grew_ | abrotman: grub-install is just sitting there, no disk i/o nothing |
| 01:01.51 | chafe | Makefile.inc89: *** /lib/modules/2.4..../build is missing, please set KERNELPATH. Stop. |
| 01:02.01 | chafe | how do i set KERNELPATH?> |
| 01:02.28 | stoned | tell that to everyone who says "ciao" as well |
| 01:02.28 | abrotman | grew_: did you tell it where ? |
| 01:02.38 | stoned | I mean seriously if you want to be language nazi, go for it |
| 01:02.41 | stoned | I just meant hi |
| 01:02.43 | stoned | ffs |
| 01:02.44 | grew_ | abrotman: yes |
| 01:02.52 | grew_ | ill try doing it from the grub command line |
| 01:03.30 | chafe | how do I set KERNELPATH? |
| 01:03.37 | dvs | stoned: You aren't the regular stoned that frequents this channel are you? |
| 01:04.02 | nevyn | chafe: export KERNELPATH="/path/to/kernel/source" |
| 01:04.08 | abrotman | dvs: yes he is |
| 01:04.14 | stoned | dude |
| 01:04.22 | stoned | I don't even feel like I'm high anymore, I'm so high |
| 01:04.26 | stoned | it just seems like you're weird |
| 01:04.27 | dvs | abrotman: Oh, I guess he's sober today. ;-) |
| 01:04.34 | chafe | fFFF.. |
| 01:04.39 | dvs | stoned: I won't argue with that. |
| 01:04.41 | chafe | where did apt install my kernel source |
| 01:04.50 | stoned | I mean, you're being weird today |
| 01:04.52 | stoned | of course its me |
| 01:04.58 | chafe | all i see is kernel-source-2.4....tar.bz2 in the /usr/src directory |
| 01:05.00 | dvs | today? |
| 01:05.04 | chafe | thats not right |
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| 01:06.05 | chafe | all i see is this package! |
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| 01:08.09 | chafe | oh my god |
| 01:08.10 | chafe | so |
| 01:08.19 | chafe | apt-get kernel-source-2.4.27 |
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| 01:08.27 | dvs | chafe: why? |
| 01:08.43 | chafe | i did this |
| 01:08.55 | chafe | and all it did was put a .tar.bz2 file in my /usr/src directory |
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| 01:09.13 | dvs | chafe: that's right. so unpack it. |
| 01:09.42 | abrotman | !squish squisher |
| 01:10.15 | chafe | oh jesus |
| 01:10.18 | chafe | this is not what im looking for |
| 01:10.24 | chafe | i just need the source so that i can install a driver |
| 01:10.26 | chafe | compile a driver |
| 01:10.34 | dvs | chafe: then you need the headers package |
| 01:10.39 | chafe | X< |
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| 01:11.01 | grew_ | bah |
| 01:11.03 | grew_ | i hate grub! |
| 01:11.07 | chafe | ok aptitude says i have that already |
| 01:11.13 | chafe | linux-kernel-headers |
| 01:11.18 | bbelt16ag | hehe |
| 01:11.25 | bbelt16ag | can somebody help me with mysql? |
| 01:11.26 | jetscreamer | grew_: grub grows on you ... :) |
| 01:11.28 | dvs | chafe: no, that's not the name of the package |
| 01:11.34 | bbelt16ag | whos good at setting it up? |
| 01:11.35 | dvs | jetscreamer: ewwwwww |
| 01:11.40 | jetscreamer | well it does |
| 01:11.43 | grew_ | jetscreamer: not when i cant get it to write my boot record correctly |
| 01:11.44 | jetscreamer | i didn't like grub either |
| 01:11.45 | bbelt16ag | i am at my wits end nothing works.. |
| 01:11.49 | dvs | jetscreamer: when you're dead! |
| 01:11.53 | jetscreamer | bbelt16ag: #mysql ? |
| 01:11.54 | chafe | dvs, ok what should it be |
| 01:11.57 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 01:12.03 | bbelt16ag | they wont help me |
| 01:12.06 | dvs | chafe: kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 |
| 01:12.10 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
| 01:12.31 | dvs | !info kernel-headers-2.4.27 sarge |
| 01:12.48 | dvs | !info kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 sarge |
| 01:12.49 | abrotman | headers have a -$arch |
| 01:12.50 | grew_ | plus it takes like 5min to guess bios drives |
| 01:12.51 | dpkg | kernel-headers-2.4.27-2: (Header files related to Linux kernel version 2.4.27), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.4.27-10sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1780 kB, Installed size: 10064 kB |
| 01:12.56 | abrotman | i thought ... |
| 01:14.35 | Kyuss | if anybody has messed around in lilypond: how was the midi support? |
| 01:14.50 | abrotman | they do! |
| 01:15.04 | abrotman | Kyuss: i tried it .. a while ago |
| 01:15.20 | Kyuss | and? |
| 01:15.26 | squisher | anyone here that knows how to get nfs4 working? I'm getting a warning about idmapd not running, but it is, and then the mount silently fails |
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| 01:15.40 | jetscreamer | it 'just works' here |
| 01:15.46 | jetscreamer | i did nothing special |
| 01:15.59 | jetscreamer | cept give up on samba and go nfs |
| 01:16.11 | Kyuss | Blissex: doom9.net appears to be down |
| 01:16.32 | squisher | Kyuss: works for me |
| 01:16.34 | Blissex | Kyuss: Doom9.org |
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| 01:16.46 | Kyuss | The page cannot be displayed |
| 01:16.49 | jetscreamer | squisher: all i can tell you is that the only problem i had was the firewall |
| 01:16.56 | Blissex | Kyuss: Doom9.net was the historical address, I always forget it redirects to Doom9.org |
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| 01:17.22 | Kyuss | yea, www.Doom9.org goes to "The page cannot be displayed" |
| 01:17.23 | squisher | jetscreamer: *g* well, and I thought nfs4 was more firewall friendly... |
| 01:17.31 | jetscreamer | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at doom9.org |
| 01:17.35 | magyar | how can i read "/.ssh/known_hosts" ?? it's all jibberish |
| 01:17.39 | squisher | Kyuss: but doom9.net works |
| 01:17.46 | Blissex | Kyuss: seems to work pretty well here. |
| 01:18.00 | abrotman | Kyuss: uhm .. i don't remember :) |
| 01:18.06 | Blissex | magyar: use the certificate utils in OpenSSL. |
| 01:18.06 | Kyuss | Ok |
| 01:18.07 | jetscreamer | http://doom9.net/ works here |
| 01:18.12 | squisher | magyar: why do you need to read it? :-) Just search for the hostname that you need |
| 01:18.12 | stoned | what is doom9 |
| 01:18.17 | stoned | is it like classic doom stuff? |
| 01:18.29 | squisher | stoned: no, a great page for video encoding |
| 01:18.30 | stoned | nevermind |
| 01:18.34 | magyar | squisher: in sid, no longer one can see the hostname |
| 01:18.37 | stoned | its useless to me then |
| 01:18.37 | Blissex | stoned: no, it is a site with a lot of good information and tutorials about video codecs |
| 01:18.42 | jetscreamer | stoned: it's video ripping and stuff... mostly but not all windows related |
| 01:18.47 | magyar | Blissex: which one? |
| 01:18.50 | jetscreamer | good stuff |
| 01:19.14 | Blissex | magyar: do an obvious web search... Can't remember. |
| 01:19.23 | squisher | magyar: what do you mean? known_hosts just has an entry with the hostname/ip address and the public key (or fingerprint, don't know right now) |
| 01:19.46 | magyar | squisher: not in sid |
| 01:19.54 | magyar | squisher: sarge, yes |
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| 01:20.04 | squisher | magyar: ok, still don't have a clue what you mean |
| 01:20.31 | grew_ | ok so i run grub, then do root(hd0,0) and then do setup (hd0) and grub installs it fine |
| 01:20.34 | grew_ | but when i reboot it hangs |
| 01:20.36 | grew_ | what is going on? |
| 01:20.51 | lunaphyte | why would someone choose to put a partition at the end or beginning of a disk? |
| 01:20.53 | grew_ | it would help a LOT if the debian installer disc actually had ide support in the kernel |
| 01:20.59 | squisher | magyar: ok, I know now :-) You're right - and I don't know |
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| 01:21.11 | dvs | grew_: You pressed 'e' to get to the setup? |
| 01:21.51 | grew_ | dvs: if you start grub from the command line, it just drops to the command prompt |
| 01:22.31 | dvs | grew_: But there's a file called /boot/grub/menu.lst which permanently stores your configuration |
| 01:22.39 | grew_ | dvs: yes and it finds it fine |
| 01:22.49 | grew_ | setup says it works fine |
| 01:22.53 | grew_ | but on boot from the drive it hangs |
| 01:22.57 | dvs | grew_: and you ran "grub-update" after that? |
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| 01:23.16 | grew_ | dvs: i was trying to do it from the grub command shell |
| 01:23.21 | dvs | update-grub that is |
| 01:23.28 | grew_ | dvs: my menu.1st is fine, something just blew away my mbr and im trying to put it back |
| 01:23.53 | dvs | grew_: Oh. So you need a grub-install |
| 01:24.32 | grew_ | dvs: grub-install just sits there and does nothing |
| 01:24.53 | dvs | grew_: grub-install /dev/hda |
| 01:26.28 | grew_ | dvs: sits there and does absolutely nothing |
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| 01:27.32 | abrotman | just one ? |
| 01:27.33 | grew_ | dvs: this is from the install disc, its /dev/discs/disc0/part1 |
| 01:27.40 | dvs | huh? |
| 01:27.44 | grew_ | and grub-install /dev/discs/disc0/part1 does not work |
| 01:27.51 | abrotman | /dev/hda ? |
| 01:27.58 | grew_ | abrotman: there is no /dev/hda |
| 01:28.01 | dvs | I have no idea what that device is |
| 01:28.06 | grew_ | the sarge install disc uses devfs |
| 01:28.12 | grew_ | which puts it at /dev/discs/disc0/part1 |
| 01:28.13 | abrotman | grew_: so what? |
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| 01:28.33 | dvs | grew_: you're MBR is /dev/hda |
| 01:28.33 | grew_ | abrotman: grub-install /dev/discs/disc0/part1 does absolutely nothing |
| 01:28.37 | dvs | grew_: your MBR is /dev/hda |
| 01:28.38 | abrotman | grew_: you're using the grub-install from sarge to install to the device the *running* kernel thinks is there |
| 01:29.38 | grew_ | abrotman: ok, well grub-install /dev/hda does absolutely nothing as well |
| 01:29.40 | grew_ | it just sits there |
| 01:30.34 | abrotman | lazy grub! |
| 01:30.48 | simonrvn | it's picking its ass |
| 01:30.53 | dvs | heh |
| 01:31.03 | abrotman | leave it to the canadian to bring up 'ass' |
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| 01:31.09 | simonrvn | *toothy grin* |
| 01:31.19 | simonrvn | canadian? wtf? |
| 01:31.24 | simonrvn | @lart abrotman |
| 01:31.27 | dvs | abrotman: what do you prefer? deriere? |
| 01:31.46 | grew_ | ok fuck this |
| 01:31.56 | squisher | grew: try it with grub-install (hd0) |
| 01:32.01 | biggdoggg | can someone help me when i install debian on the first boot i get Mounting root file system... |
| 01:32.01 | biggdoggg | Running /scripts/local-top...Done. |
| 01:32.01 | biggdoggg | Running /scripts/local-premount...Done. |
| 01:32.01 | biggdoggg | kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds. |
| 01:32.01 | biggdoggg | Running /scripts/log-bottom...Done. |
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| 01:32.08 | simonrvn | um protect those () |
| 01:32.13 | abrotman | or do that for dramatic effect! |
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| 01:32.22 | simonrvn | g-i "(hd0)" |
| 01:32.24 | squisher | ups, sorry, that's true |
| 01:32.28 | biggdoggg | sorry about that |
| 01:32.40 | simonrvn | don't be sorry, don't do it =) |
| 01:32.49 | grew_ | ahhhhh |
| 01:32.53 | grew_ | it cant write to the mbr for some reason! |
| 01:33.03 | biggdoggg | can someone help me when i install debian on the first boot i get this error Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init |
| 01:33.21 | simonrvn | sounds like you set your root= wrong |
| 01:33.33 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 01:33.33 | dpkg | i guess devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
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| 01:33.53 | biggdoggg | how do i fix it simonrvn |
| 01:34.00 | simonrvn | read ^^ |
| 01:34.04 | magyar | how can one unhash the "known_hosts" file? |
| 01:34.18 | abrotman | unhash? it's plaintext |
| 01:34.34 | simonrvn | ssh can hash the known_hosts file now |
| 01:34.35 | magyar | abrotman: no it's not dude, look at it |
| 01:34.48 | simonrvn | i think it's set as default to do so |
| 01:34.50 | squisher | abrotman: at least not in sid anymore, check it |
| 01:35.24 | abrotman | it is in sid .. it's the hostname,IP key-type key |
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| 01:35.40 | avar | I'm trying to configure a RAID1 setup with two 40GB disk in the d-installer (3.1r3). I've set up two hardware RAID deviced and made a virtual RAID1 device from them, but I can only create one partition on that RAID1 device |
| 01:36.11 | magyar | is there a pwunconv type of shiat for "known_hosts" ? |
| 01:36.24 | avar | Is this an inherant limitation or am I doing something stupid? |
| 01:37.05 | abrotman | bets anyone?! |
| 01:37.09 | biggdoggg | im stuck at the busybox prompt with no where to go |
| 01:37.12 | biggdoggg | can someone help |
| 01:37.43 | stew | magyar: you mean to unhash the hostnames? |
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| 01:38.00 | magyar | stew: thats it |
| 01:38.07 | squisher | now I'm getting an 'mount: special device tor:/nfs/home does not exist' error with nfs4... even though /nfs is the pseudo-root for nfs4 |
| 01:38.20 | stew | magyar: no, its a one way function. why do you need to recover the hostnames? |
| 01:38.23 | grew_ | ok |
| 01:38.32 | grew_ | i need a bootable linux disc that has ide support in the kernel |
| 01:38.35 | grew_ | where can i get one? |
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| 01:39.19 | avar | http://dev.jerryweb.org/raid/ <- apperently I have to set up two disks with identical partitions and then raid them |
| 01:39.26 | magyar | stew: i connect with vpn to different networks. If i try to ssh in one network to the same ip in the other network after a disconnect am done |
| 01:40.01 | stew | magyar: if you need to remove an entry, use "ssh-keygen -R ip" or "ssh-keygen -R hostname" |
| 01:40.08 | squisher | grew_: if you just need to boot your system, I'd suggest to get a grub image and burn it to cd... has worked wonders for me |
| 01:40.28 | magyar | stew: you the BOMB, thank you |
| 01:40.54 | sarefo | hi, i just installed debian test, and after the install it boots into what probably should be gnome, instead the screen becomes black. could this have to do something with my graphics card (ati radeon 9800 pro)? |
| 01:41.23 | dvs | sarefo: you didn't install a Desktop Environment during the install |
| 01:41.56 | grew_ | it seems like i cant write to the mbr from a chroot |
| 01:42.00 | grew_ | thats the only logical explanation here |
| 01:42.25 | sarefo | hmmm. i used installgui. so what should i do in order to install the desktop environment? |
| 01:42.41 | squisher | grew_: burn the grub image to cd, boot, use it to boot your regular system, then install grub from there. The easiest way, IMHO |
| 01:43.06 | grew_ | squisher: where can i get a grub image |
| 01:43.10 | sarefo | i don't know how to tell grub to boot into console mode :( |
| 01:43.44 | slidesinger | I have a laptop with a sony crx800e dvd-rom/cdrw combo drive in it. xcdroast correctly identifies the drive as a cdrw as far as the model info is concerned but incorrectly configures it as a cd-rom drive when it comes to type. googling the model # and xcdroast produces no hits. Switch xcdroast for cdrecord in the google search produces the same lack of hits. Any suggestions? |
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| 01:43.46 | dvs | sarefo: do you want gnome or kde? |
| 01:43.52 | sarefo | dvs: kde :) |
| 01:43.56 | squisher | grew_: hmm, they used to have it up on their webpage, but apparently not anymore - google? |
| 01:43.58 | dvs | !install kde |
| 01:43.59 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 01:44.34 | squisher | grew_: Debian to the resuce! http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/grub-disk |
| 01:45.01 | grew_ | squisher: my linux running machine is the one i cant boot |
| 01:45.05 | grew_ | which means i cant burn a cd from it |
| 01:45.11 | grew_ | and i need a cd image |
| 01:45.14 | sarefo | dvs: how do i enter console mode? ctrl+alt+F<num> does not work to switch to a console. |
| 01:45.26 | squisher | grew_: do you have any other machine you can burn a CD from? |
| 01:45.31 | grew_ | squisher: yes, windows |
| 01:45.47 | dvs | sarefo: are you still in the installer? |
| 01:45.57 | grew_ | if i can find an iso somewhere im in business |
| 01:46.17 | sarefo | dvs: i don't think so. the system said get rid of the CD to boot the system. |
| 01:46.40 | dvs | sarefo: so the install is over. all you have to do is reboot and login |
| 01:47.19 | sarefo | dvs: the problem is that it automatically boots to X and freezes there. i don't know how to tell grub to boot into console. |
| 01:47.43 | dvs | sarefo: use recovery mode |
| 01:48.08 | sarefo | iirc, there was only normal and 'single user'. does 'single user' correspond to recovery mode? |
| 01:48.17 | bbelt16ag | hey i am getting a wierd thing happening with apache when i move my files to the /var/www/root of my webpage |
| 01:48.19 | dvs | sarefo: yes, that's what I meant |
| 01:48.30 | squisher | grew_: I'm uploading it to a webserver, just give me a moment... |
| 01:48.30 | bbelt16ag | i set the proper links for my background and images and they still wont show up |
| 01:48.50 | bbelt16ag | i got them in /var/www/images and my index.html is in /var/www |
| 01:49.05 | sarefo | ok. many thanks dvs; i'll try how far i get with this info. maybe till later ;) |
| 01:49.07 | bbelt16ag | i used /image/img.gif |
| 01:49.21 | bbelt16ag | and ./image/img.gif and image/img.gif |
| 01:49.23 | bbelt16ag | nothing |
| 01:49.26 | grew_ | squisher: thanks |
| 01:49.30 | bbelt16ag | i save the file and hit reload on page |
| 01:49.33 | bbelt16ag | what is going on ? |
| 01:49.42 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: got a URL ? |
| 01:50.26 | bbelt16ag | its local atm |
| 01:50.32 | lunaphyte | what is 'label' for when setting up disk partitions? |
| 01:50.46 | bbelt16ag | i can set it up though |
| 01:51.01 | bbelt16ag | afk a min while i do it |
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| 01:52.15 | bbelt16ag | neo.isa-geek.org |
| 01:53.12 | grew_ | what the hell |
| 01:53.23 | grew_ | it still refuses to write to the mbr |
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| 01:53.41 | newbcoder | how can I setup an account with sftp access but no ssh access? |
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| 01:53.58 | slidesinger | !wodim |
| 01:54.10 | bbelt16ag | abrotman: did it work? |
| 01:54.26 | abrotman | oh .. you didn't tell *me* the url :) |
| 01:54.41 | bbelt16ag | http://neo.isa-geek.org |
| 01:54.41 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: no .. not at all |
| 01:54.43 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 01:54.47 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 01:54.48 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.50 | bbelt16ag | should of |
| 01:54.53 | bbelt16ag | ssh works find |
| 01:54.54 | abrotman | server not there |
| 01:54.55 | bbelt16ag | fine |
| 01:55.32 | newbcoder | how can I setup an account with sftp access but no ssh access? |
| 01:55.51 | pipeline | newbcoder: the scponly package. |
| 01:55.54 | squisher | grew_: I'm sorry, something is really screwy with my internet connection... I can neither scp it from the webserver nor to the webserver... crap :-( |
| 01:56.05 | pipeline | newbcoder: it comes with a script that will help you set it up in /usr/share/doc/scponly |
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| 01:56.11 | grew_ | squisher: well it appears something else is screwed up |
| 01:56.13 | bbelt16ag | nmap this ip |
| 01:56.14 | bbelt16ag | 70.121.246.202 |
| 01:56.15 | grew_ | i just cant write to my mbr for some reason |
| 01:56.17 | bbelt16ag | thats mine |
| 01:56.24 | newbcoder | pipeline: awesome |
| 01:56.35 | dendrite | newbcoder: Maybe set shell to /bin/false will work. |
| 01:56.40 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: http://70.121.246.202/screenshots_everquest/dark_on_her_back.jpg |
| 01:56.48 | abrotman | this is getting kinky~! |
| 01:56.53 | bbelt16ag | hey |
| 01:56.56 | bbelt16ag | she is dEAD |
| 01:56.57 | squisher | grew_: http://cs.unm.edu/~dmohr/grub-0.97-i486-pc.iso.gz |
| 01:57.01 | bbelt16ag | even more kinky |
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| 01:57.26 | bbelt16ag | any idea why no background? |
| 01:57.42 | pipeline | people still play everquest? o_0 |
| 01:57.49 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: because that URL is broken ? |
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| 01:57.58 | bbelt16ag | what is a proper one |
| 01:58.00 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: oh wait |
| 01:58.19 | grew_ | squisher: im getting a forbidden |
| 01:58.40 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: you mean this one images/wiback9.gif |
| 01:59.24 | bbelt16ag | yes |
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| 01:59.35 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.46 | bbelt16ag | explain why |
| 02:00.03 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: cd /var/www/ && ls -ld images/ .. what do you get ? |
| 02:00.07 | grew_ | BAH |
| 02:00.08 | sarefo | dvs: well, that didn't work out; single user mode != network -> not possible to install kde from the network :) |
| 02:00.10 | squisher | grew_: Sorry, still am not used to their umask :) |
| 02:00.11 | grew_ | i got it to boot with lilo |
| 02:00.16 | squisher | grew_: fixed now |
| 02:00.30 | bbelt16ag | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-10-02 21:28 images/ |
| 02:00.50 | sarefo | isn't there an easy way to boot debian, but not let it start up the X-server? |
| 02:00.55 | dvs | sarefo: so, uninstall gdm for the time being. |
| 02:01.34 | sarefo | can't i just boot to a console runlevel? |
| 02:01.49 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: is wiback9.gif in th eimages folder ? |
| 02:02.03 | dvs | sarefo: if you remove gdm, yes |
| 02:02.32 | fernet | sarefo, put "single" on your kernel's boot cmd line. |
| 02:02.39 | bbelt16ag | wiback9.gif |
| 02:02.40 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.40 | bbelt16ag | trinityapple:/var/www/images# pwd |
| 02:02.40 | bbelt16ag | /var/www/images |
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| 02:03.08 | squisher | sarefo: just edit /etc/inittab - the default runlevel can be specified there |
| 02:03.17 | sarefo | really? it's not possible to boot to console with gdm installed ?? :( i really *like* console mode... i've been using suse for a long time now, but always booted to console and started X by hand if i needed it, i guess debian can do this too, no? :) |
| 02:03.23 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: in your apache logs .. what file is it requestinbg ? |
| 02:03.31 | newbcoder | sarefo: alt-ctrl-f1 |
| 02:03.34 | bbelt16ag | just a sec |
| 02:03.54 | squisher | sarefo: you can definately do it :-) don't know if debian has an initmode configured for non-graphical use like suse though |
| 02:03.56 | fernet | sarefo, console only should be an option in a default grub install. |
| 02:04.01 | nevyn | sarefo: of course you can do it. |
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| 02:04.05 | dvs | newbcoder: no, it must be from boot time. X freezes if it shows up |
| 02:04.15 | newbcoder | oh |
| 02:04.17 | nevyn | sarefo: but it's your responcibility to reconfigure the boot process to meet this requirement |
| 02:04.23 | newbcoder | use a live cd |
| 02:04.26 | newbcoder | mount /etc |
| 02:04.31 | newbcoder | and make it to into level 2 |
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| 02:04.54 | bbelt16ag | "GET /images/wibutton3.gif |
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| 02:05.26 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: that's not the right file |
| 02:05.39 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 02:05.42 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.43 | bbelt16ag | right? |
| 02:05.50 | abrotman | no .. i mean |
| 02:05.57 | bbelt16ag | its /usr/share/images/wibutton3.gif |
| 02:06.01 | abrotman | /images/wibutton3.gif isn't the one i'm looking for |
| 02:06.02 | bbelt16ag | i think that problem |
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| 02:06.20 | sarefo | squisher: thx, i'll try that. dvs: thx too, i'll try to install kde now. cu later :) |
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| 02:06.34 | EdLin | !thx |
| 02:06.34 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified) |
| 02:06.35 | sarefo | uh, wait. squisher: which runlevel should i use? |
| 02:06.47 | bbelt16ag | its requesting from /usr/share/images/wiback9.gif |
| 02:06.50 | abrotman | !thx is also just say "Thanks" |
| 02:06.50 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 02:06.51 | bbelt16ag | why??? |
| 02:07.02 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: check your apache config .. look for a dir alias for images |
| 02:07.13 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 02:07.35 | bbelt16ag | in /etc/ or /usr/share/? |
| 02:07.37 | sarefo | it says "2-5 are multi-user", and is configured to "2". i thought 2 is console mode? |
| 02:07.49 | odla | sarefo, runlevels are different in debian |
| 02:07.52 | odla | !runlevels |
| 02:07.52 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf', 'sysv-rc-conf' or 'file-rc' instead - see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 : or ask me about <startup> |
| 02:07.59 | dvs | sarefo: in Debina, runlevels 2 to 5 are the same |
| 02:08.05 | dvs | Debian |
| 02:08.11 | abrotman | the same by default |
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| 02:08.33 | EdLin | which means you can make them into whatever you want without breaking things |
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| 02:09.32 | jetscreamer | so how do i use this compiz |
| 02:09.58 | jetscreamer | oh great another one? |
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| 02:10.22 | jetscreamer | why is it 'nobody knows' when i ask a question... do i like SMELL FUNNY? |
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| 02:10.58 | jetscreamer | i took a shower this morning... :( |
| 02:11.01 | EdLin | jetscreamer: it's because you're too impatient, of course, since compwiz (or compiz) aren't Debian pacakges that could have something to do with it. |
| 02:11.03 | abrotman | jetscreamer: dude .. it's "been in debian" for what .. 10 days ? |
| 02:11.12 | jetscreamer | EdLin: but it is |
| 02:11.19 | jetscreamer | abrotman: try one day in sid |
| 02:11.22 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 02:11.22 | dvs | !seen jetscreamer |
| 02:11.23 | dpkg | jetscreamer is currently on #debian (2m 10s) #debian-bots (2m 10s). Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: 'maybe'. |
| 02:11.24 | odla | jetscreamer, you can probably find helping setting up compiz on the ubuntu forum website |
| 02:11.30 | abrotman | jetscreamer: oh .. i'm thinking aiglx |
| 02:11.32 | EdLin | abrotman: it's in Debian now? Cool, except my TNT2 won't support it well. :-) |
| 02:11.37 | jetscreamer | !info compiz |
| 02:11.40 | bbelt16ag | what should i change it to |
| 02:11.41 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.0.13+git20060928-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 02:11.44 | nevyn | abrotman: that's the one that works ;) |
| 02:11.44 | abrotman | EdLin: get a pentium! |
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| 02:11.56 | odla | compiz hasn't been in sid very long either has it? |
| 02:12.02 | freeone3000 | ftp.debian.org mirror down for anyone else? |
| 02:12.03 | bbelt16ag | abrotman: what should i change it to /var/www/images? |
| 02:12.04 | EdLin | abrotman: I've got a Pentium 4 |
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| 02:12.10 | jetscreamer | i jsut ssaw it now and installed it |
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| 02:12.17 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: comment it out |
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| 02:12.23 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 02:12.39 | Clinton__ | apache2 is putting out .php and .phtml files, and not parsing them as php like it should. Am I missing something here? |
| 02:12.45 | EdLin | abrotman: what's its minimum useful level of video card? |
| 02:12.47 | poopybutt | is picasa available for apt-get sources in sid? |
| 02:12.54 | odla | poopybutt, nope |
| 02:13.01 | odla | !info picasa |
| 02:13.13 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
| 02:13.27 | bbelt16ag | i commented out the alias |
| 02:13.27 | odla | poopybutt, use f-spot or kimdaba |
| 02:13.32 | jetscreamer | there's not a frickin manpage for compiz |
| 02:13.38 | jetscreamer | isn't that like illegal? |
| 02:13.41 | odla | poopybutt, f-spot is great if you're using gnome |
| 02:13.47 | poopybutt | i use kde |
| 02:13.52 | abrotman | EdLin: nfc .. i don't run sid |
| 02:13.53 | EdLin | jetscreamer: how about /usr/share/doc ? |
| 02:13.54 | poopybutt | odla: i saw at googles website there is a deb package for picasa |
| 02:13.55 | odla | poopybutt, use kimdaba |
| 02:13.58 | poopybutt | is it not good to isntall that |
| 02:14.00 | poopybutt | ? |
| 02:14.03 | jetscreamer | oh and it 'seems' to only be for gnome |
| 02:14.03 | abrotman | poopybutt: apt-cache search is broken on your system ? |
| 02:14.10 | jetscreamer | lemme check |
| 02:14.11 | odla | poopybutt, you can install it but you'll need to install the dependencies |
| 02:14.16 | odla | abrotman, he he |
| 02:14.29 | poopybutt | no it works, but i didnt see it there, i figured it would be |
| 02:14.30 | jetscreamer | i installed it, looked around, and figured out it needs gnome too? |
| 02:14.47 | abrotman | poopybutt: iirc .. it's not truly free or some crap |
| 02:14.49 | poopybutt | i heard from somewhere its bad to install stable packages on sid or something like that |
| 02:14.50 | odla | jetscreamer, compiz doesn't need gnome...but gnome 2.16 apparently has some compiz features |
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| 02:15.13 | EdLin | abrotman: I didn't run sid until recently, I'm not sure now that dist-upgrading to sid was a good decision on my part though. |
| 02:15.48 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:15.57 | odla | EdLin, is sid too scary? |
| 02:16.01 | dvs | EdLin: that's the way it usually goes |
| 02:16.06 | jetscreamer | jsut a copyright and a README |
| 02:16.08 | dvs | for newbies |
| 02:16.23 | odla | i like sid |
| 02:16.38 | EdLin | odla: if you don't know what you're doing, forget it. For instance, recently apt was broken. |
| 02:16.41 | jetscreamer | EdLin: once i went sid i found etch like boring and lame or something... i treid to go back... i couldn't stand it |
| 02:16.44 | Clinton__ | !info lamp |
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| 02:17.02 | odla | EdLin, i've used sid for a while...but i like e16 and e17 so i just use elive instead |
| 02:17.02 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:17.06 | jetscreamer | Clinton__: you want a lamp or a program named lamp |
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| 02:17.21 | jetscreamer | ofare you trying to prove your first name really is bill |
| 02:17.31 | jetscreamer | s/ofare/or\ are/ |
| 02:17.40 | jetscreamer | !lamp |
| 02:17.41 | dpkg | methinks lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ |
| 02:17.45 | Clinton__ | jetscreamer: neither :) trying to get apache2 to process .php files, so far it is being ignorant |
| 02:17.46 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: get it working ? |
| 02:18.01 | abrotman | Clinton__: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 02:18.07 | abrotman | or php5 .. whichever you have avaailble |
| 02:18.31 | shadow98 | anybody on that has tested snort-inline on debian |
| 02:18.46 | EdLin | odla: e17 was too distracting for me, I don't need my window borders doing the cha-cha every time I mess with them. :-) |
| 02:18.48 | jetscreamer | oh.. it's got a lot of TODO files.. i wonder if 'manpage' is listed... :) |
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| 02:19.26 | jetscreamer | !gravity++ |
| 02:19.38 | Clinton__ | abrotman: excellent.. now what about .phtml files that phpmyadmin likes to use, apache2 is still spitting those out raw |
| 02:19.50 | abrotman | they should be shot! |
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| 02:19.59 | odla | EdLin, e17's window borders don't do the cha-cha |
| 02:20.00 | freeone3000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.04 | poopybutt | i tried e17, i didnt like it that much |
| 02:20.07 | jetscreamer | bbl |
| 02:20.13 | bbelt16ag | abrotman: nope it not working i even tried chaning the directory to /images/img.gif |
| 02:20.27 | bbelt16ag | its wierd.. maybe something wrong with .gif files? |
| 02:20.33 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: did you restart apache ? |
| 02:20.42 | bbelt16ag | no.. |
| 02:21.04 | EdLin | odla: it does do animation on them, at any rate. |
| 02:21.08 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: you kind of have to |
| 02:21.19 | odla | EdLin, mine don't :) |
| 02:21.27 | bbelt16ag | nope not working |
| 02:21.31 | odla | EdLin, i like e17 cause it's fast...i don't have any bells and whistles with it |
| 02:21.36 | bbelt16ag | i stopeed it and start it with apache stop apache start |
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| 02:21.53 | nevyn | odla: that has to be the most ironic statement EVER |
| 02:21.55 | EdLin | odla: fvwm is fast too, I am running fvwm-crystal now. |
| 02:22.14 | nevyn | twm is a no bells and whistles window manager |
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| 02:22.37 | freeone3000 | TWM is a no management manager... >.> |
| 02:22.40 | pipeline | twm is the standard window manager, much as ed is the standard editor. |
| 02:22.47 | Clinton__ | abrotman: nevermind, it was a Firefox caching issue |
| 02:22.47 | abrotman | thestandard ? |
| 02:22.47 | pipeline | real men use mwm or pmwm |
| 02:22.51 | pipeline | fvwm is weird hippie bullshit |
| 02:22.54 | abrotman | Clinton__: yeah! |
| 02:23.06 | freeone3000 | Weird hippie bullshit is what linux is about! |
| 02:23.12 | freeone3000 | Well, either hippies or communism. |
| 02:23.14 | pipeline | abrotman: Yup. twm comes with MIT X11. Has for decades :P |
| 02:23.17 | freeone3000 | Hard to tell. |
| 02:23.20 | EdLin | pipeline: you can make fvwm look like mwm and use a fraction of the resources easily. |
| 02:23.22 | abrotman | pipeline: no! |
| 02:23.25 | bbelt16ag | abrotman: still not working |
| 02:23.27 | pipeline | freeone3000: I don't think communism is involved in it. No class warfare :P |
| 02:23.35 | odla | nevyn, i fail to see irony |
| 02:23.40 | pipeline | EdLin: More weirdo hippie bullshit. Doesn't even link against motif. *rolleyes* |
| 02:23.42 | odla | nevyn, e17 is fast |
| 02:23.55 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: what file is being requested ? |
| 02:24.05 | EdLin | pipeline: then use lesstif, which is based on fvwm... :-) |
| 02:24.48 | freeone3000 | motif? |
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| 02:25.02 | freeone3000 | I thought motif was like for when your system sucked too much to run GTK. |
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| 02:25.31 | pipeline | EdLin: lesstif is yet more hippie bullshit. You don't learn fast :P |
| 02:25.33 | EdLin | freeone3000: Motif, part of the OSF/Motif standard. (OSF is an acronym for "Opposing Sun Forever") |
| 02:25.37 | pipeline | freeone3000: GTK was developed by hippies too cheap to buy Motif. |
| 02:25.44 | abrotman | no |
| 02:25.46 | freeone3000 | Go hippies. |
| 02:25.57 | poopybutt | is ftp.de.debian.org not working right now? |
| 02:26.03 | freeone3000 | But I think I'll stick to my corporation-developed windowing toolkit. Just because it's so nice. |
| 02:26.10 | poopybutt | i gets stuck when i try apt-get update on that |
| 02:26.11 | freeone3000 | poopybutt: Doesn't look like it, I'm using mirrors.kernel.org |
| 02:26.25 | EdLin | pipeline: you don't have to buy it anymore, you can download Solaris 10. |
| 02:26.40 | freeone3000 | ...They charge for it? |
| 02:26.50 | freeone3000 | It better have gotten a lot nicer looking than the last time I've seen it. |
| 02:26.57 | bbelt16ag | ah ha |
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| 02:27.15 | bbelt16ag | it wasnt restarting mofo |
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| 02:27.16 | bbelt16ag | abrotman: it was not restarting woot |
| 02:27.18 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 02:27.34 | EdLin | freeone3000: it looks the same - and they've been charging for it for a long time, though sometimes your $1000+ brand of propritary Unix included it already. |
| 02:27.37 | bbelt16ag | i did apache stop and start and it would not stop so it could not start |
| 02:27.44 | bbelt16ag | was using old config |
| 02:27.52 | bbelt16ag | so i had to killall -s kill it |
| 02:27.55 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.58 | freeone3000 | EdLin: ..Wow. |
| 02:27.59 | abrotman | working now ? |
| 02:28.05 | bbelt16ag | check itout ur self |
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| 02:28.31 | abrotman | oh .. it's so pretty! |
| 02:28.37 | abrotman | and it's "yourself" :) |
| 02:28.50 | EdLin | freeone3000: I think a big part of Linux's success is that it was a free version of what had become an expensive and fragmented OS. |
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| 02:29.03 | bbelt16ag | hehe |
| 02:29.05 | freeone3000 | Nah, really. |
| 02:29.06 | bbelt16ag | yes |
| 02:29.20 | bbelt16ag | now if mysql were so easy |
| 02:29.25 | freeone3000 | bbelt16ag: Why isn't it? |
| 02:29.30 | abrotman | use pgsql :) |
| 02:29.41 | freeone3000 | Or hsqldb, or sqlite. |
| 02:29.56 | bbelt16ag | ... dont get me started.. i would need a whole pack of smokes to explain why |
| 02:30.12 | abrotman | then use one that works .. like pgsql! |
| 02:30.50 | bbelt16ag | dont think the software i want supports it |
| 02:31.13 | EdLin | bbelt16ag: PHP, Perl, Tcl, and others, support postgresql just fine. |
| 02:31.14 | abrotman | you could change it! |
| 02:31.23 | abrotman | EdLin: you forgot python! |
| 02:31.32 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 02:31.34 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
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| 02:31.38 | bbelt16ag | i am not a coder.. |
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| 02:31.40 | EdLin | abrotman: and Ruby |
| 02:31.48 | bbelt16ag | best i do is bash scripting |
| 02:31.49 | bbelt16ag | atm |
| 02:32.04 | EdLin | bbelt16ag: if you can do bash scripting you can learn Perl |
| 02:32.14 | bbelt16ag | maybe.. |
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| 02:33.33 | abrotman | EdLin: and C#! |
| 02:34.00 | sarefo | hi, it's me again... looks like the network is disabled by default after installing from netinstall? is there an easy way to turn it on? |
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| 02:34.16 | pyxel | sarefo: ifconfig eth0 up |
| 02:34.22 | trelane | is there anything in the default ssh install limiting logins to localhost? |
| 02:34.28 | EdLin | abrotman: speaking of MS technologies, I've found out that WINE supports IE. Now I can develop websites easily with 0 MS operating system installation. |
| 02:34.46 | pyxel | sarefo: this put your network card (eth0) on, if it's disabled, but check with ifconfig |
| 02:35.12 | abrotman | EdLin: C# is .. eh .. some fancy .eu thingie standard |
| 02:35.30 | stew | trelane: edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and set it to only listen to 127.0.0.1 intead of 0.0.0.0 |
| 02:35.32 | EdLin | abrotman: so is ECMAscript |
| 02:35.33 | sarefo | pyxel: ifconfig only showed loopback. this is bad, no? |
| 02:35.45 | abrotman | EdLin: yeah .. see! |
| 02:35.52 | trelane | stew, aah, you misunderstand. I am able to ssh to the box from the box but I can't ssh in remotely. |
| 02:36.03 | pipeline | EdLin: Well, motif3-dev is in debian, now, so no, you don't have to buy it. |
| 02:36.21 | EdLin | pipeline: I know, there's "openmotif" |
| 02:36.23 | stew | trelane: can you connect to ssh at all? |
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| 02:36.47 | stew | trelane: (to answer your question, no, there is no such limitation in the debian package) |
| 02:36.48 | trelane | stew, yes, but I can't authenticate via password (though it's listed as a supported method). I'm not seeing any log output from the machine |
| 02:36.58 | jetscreamer | i think it crashed gdm |
| 02:37.00 | stew | trelane: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 02:37.04 | EdLin | pipeline: I must have been thinking of CDE |
| 02:37.10 | jetscreamer | probably the docs will explain |
| 02:37.22 | jetscreamer | oh. gee go figure. |
| 02:37.28 | amphi | pipeline: there's also lesstif... |
| 02:37.28 | jetscreamer | well anyway |
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| 02:37.50 | sarefo | does it mean that if eth0 does not display in ifconfig that it is not installed? if so, how do i install it? |
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| 02:38.33 | Bradmont | I'm getting some X errors saying it can't find the 'fixed' and 'cursor' fonts |
| 02:38.39 | jetscreamer | sarefo: it's not an installed kinda thing |
| 02:38.45 | Bradmont | anyone have any idea why this might be? |
| 02:38.47 | jetscreamer | sarefo: try ifup eth0 |
| 02:38.49 | jetscreamer | as root |
| 02:38.52 | pyxel | sarefo: yes :) ifconfig -a, and find your device, after what you do ifconfig (device name) up, f.e. iconfig erh0 up |
| 02:39.13 | pipeline | amphi: Hippie. |
| 02:39.48 | sarefo | thx guys, i'll probably be back in about five minutes ;) |
| 02:40.33 | pyxel | friday, i'm in love. |
| 02:40.59 | jetscreamer | but, as i was gonna say, that stupid allow-hotplug crap in /etc/network/interfaces is probably the fkin problem |
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| 02:42.10 | jetscreamer | at least it is every fkin time i reboot a fresh install for the secondtime |
| 02:42.22 | jetscreamer | every |
| 02:42.29 | abrotman | pyxel: it's f'in monday |
| 02:42.43 | jetscreamer | could be 'his' friday |
| 02:42.49 | jetscreamer | end of workweek |
| 02:43.43 | jetscreamer | so ok great i installed compiz.. now what |
| 02:43.48 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 02:43.56 | Bradmont | nobody knows what package might contain those fonts? |
| 02:44.13 | jetscreamer | no icons in gnome, no docs, no clue... :) |
| 02:44.23 | [5D]Silent_Chaos | Hey, I'm planning on installing linux to boot off of my usb drive, how would I install to the drive? |
| 02:45.02 | jetscreamer | Bradmont: they're usually ignorable errors if that helps.. you may be able to just comment them out in xorg.conf |
| 02:45.08 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 02:45.16 | Bradmont | jetscreamer: comment what out? |
| 02:45.28 | jetscreamer | the lines for those fonts... if they are inthere |
| 02:45.30 | Bradmont | jetscreamer: when I try to start X, the server says it's a fatal error |
| 02:45.35 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 02:45.51 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log and paste the results |
| 02:45.53 | jetscreamer | !p[aste |
| 02:45.55 | jetscreamer | err |
| 02:45.58 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 02:45.58 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 02:46.19 | Bradmont | jetscreamer: there are no errors in the xorg log |
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| 02:47.10 | Bradmont | all I get is "Fatal server error:\ncould not open default font 'fixed' |
| 02:47.30 | Guerin | !fixed |
| 02:47.31 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 02:47.33 | jetscreamer | i'm not sure... i 'think' fixed is just an alias |
| 02:47.34 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:47.39 | jetscreamer | !guerin++ |
| 02:47.40 | psychonate | note to self: official nvidia installer = surprisingly working for me |
| 02:48.00 | jetscreamer | psychonate: the freaky thing is i didn't have to tell it where the kernel-headers are |
| 02:48.07 | Bradmont | in /usr/X11r6/libs/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias, I found the font aliased as "fixed", but that font doesn't seem to be specified in any fonts.dir file |
| 02:48.08 | jetscreamer | i just did it again tonight |
| 02:48.19 | jetscreamer | Bradmont: check what the bot said? |
| 02:48.24 | psychonate | jetscreamer, I don't think you normally have to, so long as your /usr/src/linux symlink is good |
| 02:48.34 | jetscreamer | psychonate: i've never had one |
| 02:48.43 | Bradmont | I already tried some of that, but I'll try the others |
| 02:48.49 | psychonate | jetscreamer, in that case, I am impressed heh |
| 02:48.50 | Bradmont | thanks |
| 02:49.11 | jetscreamer | i still don't... |
| 02:49.34 | Bradmont | !fontfix |
| 02:49.34 | dpkg | i guess fontfix is that some people have been having problems with XFree 4.0.x; if you have xfonts-base installed, but it still can't find the "fixed" font, ask me about "install xf4" and make sure /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc is in your font path. ask me about fonts.alias, or don't forget to restart xfs, or ask about fixedfont, or ask about "squares" |
| 02:49.57 | psychonate | jetscreamer, just yesterday I took the time to get the unstable packages for nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source, and build the latter by the book, and install them both. Both seemed to install alright, but they didn't work very well |
| 02:50.07 | Guerin | Bradmont: it says 'purge and reinstall xfonts-base' |
| 02:50.31 | psychonate | jetscreamer, today I use the official installer--peace of cake, and the damn thing actually works |
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| 02:51.25 | Bradmont | Guerin: yeah, just doing that now |
| 02:51.46 | Bradmont | hmm... no luck with that |
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| 02:52.48 | aalex | hi |
| 02:52.59 | aalex | how can i set up properly my clock ? |
| 02:53.00 | jetscreamer | squisher: you really want latex? |
| 02:53.14 | jetscreamer | aalex: easiest is in bios... :) |
| 02:53.17 | jetscreamer | !ntp |
| 02:53.18 | dpkg | ntp is, like, the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 02:53.24 | squisher | jetscreamer: yes, why else would I install it? ;-) |
| 02:53.38 | jetscreamer | squisher: i did once, but didn't know better... |
| 02:53.49 | jetscreamer | i thought 'this sounds cool' |
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| 02:54.22 | squisher | jetscreamer: oh latex is great, I think... of course it is incredibly obscure to use at times, but it's like programming: once you figure it out, it produces just what you want |
| 02:54.31 | jetscreamer | yeh |
| 02:54.46 | jetscreamer | it's the getting there part though... no need. |
| 02:55.03 | jetscreamer | (me) |
| 02:55.05 | squisher | hehe, just wait until you need to typeset some math - that'll give you your need |
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| 02:56.03 | jetscreamer | omfg |
| 02:56.30 | jetscreamer | i just remembered something from like 30 years ago... a secretary with a kinko's pen |
| 02:56.51 | jetscreamer | 28, asi asi |
| 02:57.07 | jetscreamer | the boss made a joke about how she would have a pen named kinko's |
| 02:57.28 | jetscreamer | i was like 17-18 |
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| 02:58.08 | abrotman | remember folks .. jetscreamer is older than nixon |
| 02:58.09 | jetscreamer | i remember the pen |
| 02:58.24 | jetscreamer | no, i remember my grandfatehr wanting to watch watergate though |
| 02:58.27 | Bradmont | ok, no luck purging and reinstalling xfonts-base |
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| 03:00.04 | jetscreamer | maybe i'll go kill some people |
| 03:00.12 | jetscreamer | yeah good idea |
| 03:00.25 | jetscreamer | (online you idiot!) |
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| 03:06.31 | poopybutt | ok so im trying to install google earth im left with the options... |
| 03:06.41 | devicenull | ookay |
| 03:06.44 | poopybutt | there is the install path and the default is /opt/google-earth/ and the binary path is usr/local/bin do i want those? |
| 03:06.46 | devicenull | X still wont start. |
| 03:08.10 | devicenull | no screens found |
| 03:09.00 | squisher | devicenull: paste the whole log, or at least the EE parts - otherwise noone can help you (use pastbin too...) |
| 03:09.03 | nevyn | poopybutt: they'll work fine |
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| 03:10.19 | apfel | Is there a channel about general (theoretical) operating systems stuff? For an assignment, I need to calculate the average response time and I can't find the formula for that. Anyone? |
| 03:10.57 | EdLin | apfel: www.google.com, www.wikipedia.org |
| 03:11.40 | sarefo | hi once more; this time i managed to get network in debian, so there's hope :) i installed kde-core and gdm, and entered startx, and it gives me an error (EE) about 'cannot open device /dev/input/mice' any ideas why that might be? |
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| 03:13.18 | apfel | EdLin: I tried that. Though I couldn't find a formula for it. Like waiting time = turnaround time - cpu burst |
| 03:13.25 | EdLin | sarefo: what kind of mouse are you running? |
| 03:13.34 | sarefo | logitech optical |
| 03:13.36 | sarefo | usb |
| 03:13.47 | EdLin | apfel: at any rate, #debian isn't #find-me-a-channel |
| 03:14.02 | EdLin | sarefo: then it should work. Are there more errors? |
| 03:14.20 | apfel | EdLin: True. |
| 03:14.20 | sarefo | i installed gpm right now, and it also cannot find /dev/input/mice. |
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| 03:15.28 | sarefo | startx only gives three lines of error for the mouse, no other errors yet. |
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| 03:18.20 | squisher | sarefo: did it detect your mouse? (i.e. cat /proc/bus/usb/devices | grep Logitech) |
| 03:18.42 | biggdoggg | can someone help me |
| 03:18.52 | biggdoggg | i keep installing debain etch |
| 03:19.04 | biggdoggg | and it throws me to the busybox prompt |
| 03:19.27 | biggdoggg | says target filesystem doesnt have /sbin/init |
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| 03:20.12 | squisher | biggdoggg: do you know what partition your root should be? |
| 03:20.32 | sarefo | squisher: no it only shows UHCI and EHCI host controllers |
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| 03:20.47 | devicenull | squisher, http://devicenull.org/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:20.57 | jetscreamer | that was no fun |
| 03:21.01 | devicenull | http://devicenull.org/lspci.log <-- lspci output |
| 03:21.12 | biggdoggg | can someone please help me |
| 03:21.15 | squisher | sarefo: well - there you have it ;-) No idea why it wouldn't detect it though... unplug it, do a 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' plug it back in and check if you see a message detecting it |
| 03:21.37 | jetscreamer | squisher: how many ide, pata or sata, controllers |
| 03:21.43 | detwa | has anyone here ever installed debian from a usb pen drive - i've read the manual on the topic and followed it but it's still failing to boot - it tries and dies |
| 03:22.03 | squisher | jetscreamer: ?? |
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| 03:22.13 | squisher | devicenull: this is the interesting line: (EE) I810(0): No Video BIOS modes for chosen depth. |
| 03:22.25 | devicenull | yes, it is interesting |
| 03:22.28 | jetscreamer | err i meant biggdoggg |
| 03:22.30 | squisher | devicenull: you configured a wrong resolution, I'm guessing. |
| 03:22.31 | devicenull | its been my enemy all of today. |
| 03:22.34 | devicenull | nope |
| 03:22.40 | devicenull | tried every valid resolution earlier |
| 03:22.47 | jetscreamer | squisher: you need 16 bit not 24 |
| 03:22.56 | jetscreamer | i810' |
| 03:23.03 | jetscreamer | s don't do 24 |
| 03:23.06 | jetscreamer | or some dont |
| 03:23.06 | biggdoggg | i have one ide drive |
| 03:23.14 | biggdoggg | one ide dvdr |
| 03:23.16 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:23.19 | jetscreamer | yeah that |
| 03:23.19 | biggdoggg | one sata drive |
| 03:23.26 | biggdoggg | and a adaptec radi controller |
| 03:23.33 | squisher | devicenull: is this a laptop? |
| 03:23.33 | devicenull | went to 16, no change |
| 03:23.35 | devicenull | yes |
| 03:23.36 | jetscreamer | i think you hate greg also |
| 03:23.41 | jetscreamer | biggdoggg: |
| 03:23.48 | poopybutt | im so glad youtube doesnt use flash8 otherwise my life would be over |
| 03:23.49 | squisher | devicenull: check, I think there is a package that fixes something with the bios... |
| 03:23.51 | devicenull | went down to 8, no change |
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| 03:24.23 | squisher | devicenull: or maybe it was just ubuntu? Let me google, only needed this once... |
| 03:24.30 | devicenull | i8kutils |
| 03:24.31 | jetscreamer | devicenull: that's a semi common problem with those, i've seen a couple other ppl complain about it... not sure what the fix is |
| 03:24.31 | devicenull | maybe |
| 03:25.33 | biggdoggg | jetscreamer what else do you need? |
| 03:26.26 | squisher | devicenull: what chipset is it? |
| 03:26.31 | devicenull | i830 |
| 03:27.04 | jetscreamer | biggdoggg: i think you have a problem with the debian implementation of udev but i'm not certain. i believe booting a -486 kernel will fix that |
| 03:27.13 | squisher | devicenull: hmm, the page I have doesn't mention that one, but check the package anyways: 915resolution |
| 03:27.22 | squisher | just a shot in the blue though |
| 03:28.20 | biggdoggg | ive tried that |
| 03:28.25 | biggdoggg | and it doesnt fix it |
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| 03:29.44 | devicenull | I'll give it a shot |
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| 03:31.04 | Led_Zeppelin | for NFS, is it preferred to use the kernel or user version? |
| 03:31.40 | squisher | Led_Zeppelin: The README says that user is a little slower and is a little easier to debug |
| 03:31.59 | squisher | Led_Zeppelin: so unless you want ultra-security/stability, I'd go with kernel |
| 03:32.01 | Led_Zeppelin | getting a little confused why there are 2 versions. |
| 03:32.12 | Led_Zeppelin | no secuity needed. |
| 03:32.15 | Led_Zeppelin | just for my LAN |
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| 03:32.36 | devicenull | squisher, nope, doesnt help |
| 03:32.40 | devicenull | doesnt even work with my card |
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| 03:32.47 | krenin | Hello. |
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| 03:33.11 | squisher | devicenull: sorry, that sucks... have you googled for your chipset? Seems like everyone should have that problem... |
| 03:33.30 | sarefo_ | well, i fixed the mouse problem, but now X freezes again when invoked with startx :( |
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| 03:33.51 | krenin | I'm setting up a new personal file server tonight. :) |
| 03:34.05 | Led_Zeppelin | krenin: same here :-0 |
| 03:34.07 | krenin | ...on a Pentium 133 mHz system... debian testing |
| 03:34.39 | krenin | I've got some spare hardware from eBay lately to use for Linux boxes... |
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| 03:35.23 | sarefo_ | where does X store its logfile? |
| 03:35.26 | krenin | It's taking a long time to copy the contents of one HDD to another so that I can get started setting up Debian testing |
| 03:35.42 | devicenull | supposedly, the patches to fix this have been in xorg since '03 |
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| 03:36.31 | sarefo_ | btw, is 'gdm' used to invoke any desktop environment, or just gnome? |
| 03:36.34 | jetscreamer | it's not a dell is it devicenull ? |
| 03:36.34 | squisher | devicenull: hmm, that is strange then. Need to get something done, afterwards maybe I'll help to look into it |
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| 03:36.36 | pipeline | sarefo_: any environment. |
| 03:36.37 | devicenull | jetscreamer, it is |
| 03:36.38 | sarefo_ | (found the logfile) |
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| 03:37.00 | jetscreamer | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=118623 |
| 03:37.07 | jetscreamer | it says downgrade your bios |
| 03:37.11 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 03:37.35 | jetscreamer | i865 chipset? |
| 03:37.45 | devicenull | nope |
| 03:37.47 | devicenull | i830 |
| 03:37.48 | sarefo_ | pipeline: ok, then what should i do if i have gdm and kde-core installed, and X freezes after 'startx'? Xorg.0.log does not give any (EE) errors |
| 03:37.53 | jetscreamer | might be related |
| 03:37.55 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 03:37.56 | pipeline | sarefo_: Don't use startx. |
| 03:38.03 | devicenull | their patch is to downgrade the bios |
| 03:38.09 | FernandoMM | Hello, i have a working debian system. I have been using this for about 2 years (now i'm using Etch). I would like to compile everything using apt-build, is it possible without reinstalling? |
| 03:38.12 | jetscreamer | sarefo_: do you have gpm running? |
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| 03:38.36 | sarefo_ | jetscreamer: as a matter of fact, i do :) why? |
| 03:38.48 | jetscreamer | just a thought |
| 03:39.03 | Led_Zeppelin | how do I reconfigure debconf? I want it to use text instead of GNOME |
| 03:39.20 | devicenull | Mode: 34 (1024x768) |
| 03:39.22 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure debconf maybe not sure never tried |
| 03:39.24 | devicenull | is exactly what I want |
| 03:39.30 | devicenull | so it is a supported mode |
| 03:39.30 | pyxel | Led_Zeppelin: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 03:39.32 | sarefo_ | jetscreamer: so what gave you this thought? :) |
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| 03:39.44 | pyxel | jetscreamer: yes, it is =) |
| 03:39.52 | jetscreamer | sarefo_: just wondering about stuff |
| 03:39.56 | Led_Zeppelin | pyxel: no, that won't work because I am in CLI now. Its looking for GNOME |
| 03:40.07 | Led_Zeppelin | pyxel: i need to set it to dialog again. |
| 03:40.27 | psychonate | Seems I had forgotten about 'apt-get clean' for quite some time; freed up... 5.6 gigs heh |
| 03:41.01 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.08 | sarefo_ | pipeline: why shouldn't i use startx, and what should i use instead? |
| 03:41.09 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 03:41.11 | pyxel | Led_Zeppelin: /etc/debconf.conf :) |
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| 03:41.22 | jetscreamer | sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf is what you want Led_Zeppelin |
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| 03:41.28 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 03:41.30 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 03:41.31 | jetscreamer | doh |
| 03:41.45 | jetscreamer | well you could try it |
| 03:41.56 | jetscreamer | it would do a fallback i would think |
| 03:42.44 | jetscreamer | ahhhh /usr/bin/compiz.real: No composite extension |
| 03:43.40 | sarefo_ | can mysql be installed via apt-get? |
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| 03:44.39 | amphi | sarefo_: yes |
| 03:45.04 | sarefo_ | amphi: how so? :) apt-get install mysql won't work. |
| 03:45.25 | amphi | sarefo_: apt-cache search mysql |
| 03:45.32 | sarefo_ | i'm a newbie to debian btw. thx :) |
| 03:45.43 | pyxel | amphi: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/64 |
| 03:45.47 | pyxel | houps |
| 03:45.50 | pyxel | sarefo_: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/64 |
| 03:45.52 | pyxel | sorry :) |
| 03:45.57 | amphi | pyxel: thanks ;) |
| 03:46.05 | pyxel | amphi: :P |
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| 03:48.20 | joeljkp | is there anywhere that gives an explanation of the letters next to the package names when you do an `aptitude search`? |
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| 03:48.35 | samuel | sup all |
| 03:48.51 | samuel | anyone know what can convert to 3gp (mobile) formats? |
| 03:49.01 | joeljkp | specifically, some packages have an 'A' next to them; what does that mean? |
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| 03:50.44 | devicenull | "This limits the video modes that can be used to those provided by the video BIOS, and to those that will fit into the amount of video memory that the video BIOS is aware of." |
| 03:50.48 | devicenull | from xorg. |
| 03:51.02 | devicenull | looks like there's no way to do this with the xorg driver |
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| 03:51.44 | squisher | devicenull: what are you talking about? |
| 03:51.58 | squisher | devicenull: the dump of the bios modes shows the one you want to use |
| 03:52.05 | devicenull | I realize that |
| 03:52.15 | devicenull | the problem is, the BIOS only thinks it has 1MB of memory. |
| 03:52.19 | squisher | devicenull: and I think it says initially 8mb, but then ups it to 60mb or something |
| 03:52.40 | devicenull | oh yea |
| 03:52.41 | devicenull | it does |
| 03:52.58 | squisher | devicenull: (==) I810(0): VideoRAM: 65536 kByte |
| 03:56.52 | chafe | ok so |
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| 03:57.32 | chafe | im running an ./autogen.sh |
| 03:57.38 | chafe | on this package im trying to configure |
| 03:57.43 | chafe | and i get Copying file blah blah |
| 03:57.47 | chafe | and then suddenly |
| 03:57.54 | joeljkp | i can't seem to get the mysql extension for apache2-php4; what do i need to install? |
| 03:57.56 | chafe | + aclocal --force -I config.m4 |
| 03:57.56 | chafe | ./autogen.sh: line31: aclocal: command not found |
| 03:57.56 | chafe | + set +x |
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| 03:58.03 | chafe | and i get an exit |
| 03:58.33 | squisher | joeljkp: php4-mysql |
| 03:58.44 | joeljkp | squisher: yeah, i have that installed |
| 03:58.57 | joeljkp | squisher: but there's still no mysql in phpinfo |
| 03:59.48 | squisher | joeljkp: check your /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini and see if it has the right extension=mysql.so line |
| 03:59.51 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 03:59.51 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 04:00.00 | joeljkp | squisher: hmm, ok |
| 04:00.52 | exobyte | I want to |
| 04:00.55 | exobyte | heh |
| 04:01.20 | exobyte | how can I do substring match in dhchpd for a mac addresS? |
| 04:02.06 | joeljkp | squisher: hmm, it didn't, odd |
| 04:03.51 | squisher | joeljkp: yup, weird - add it yourself, or do a --purge and reinstall |
| 04:04.00 | psychonate | When running twinview, how can one specify which display mplayer should start on? |
| 04:04.06 | chafe | TITS |
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| 04:04.34 | techrush | it sure is nice not having to screw with any proprietary driver to get openGL working on my intel 950gma |
| 04:04.59 | squisher | chafe: you're missing some dev package I think - check packages.debian.org for which provides aclocal |
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| 04:08.37 | joeljkp | techrush: you seen any benchmarks of the 965? |
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| 04:10.13 | techrush | joeljkp, no i havent but im interested in it as well....these intel cards are astarting not to suck so badly |
| 04:10.36 | joeljkp | techrush: yeah, i might consider intentionally getting one, just for the open-sourceness |
| 04:10.45 | techrush | for someone with my needs(not much intense 3d) i think its the perfect solution |
| 04:10.47 | joeljkp | techrush: no proprietary modules or firmware blobs or anything? |
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| 04:10.51 | techrush | nope |
| 04:10.57 | joeljkp | techrush: wonderful |
| 04:11.01 | techrush | works out of the box too |
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| 04:12.33 | ajchace | anyone know of a _stable_ LDAP client for GTK? |
| 04:12.51 | ajchace | gq == crash |
| 04:12.54 | ajchace | lat == crash |
| 04:13.00 | ajchace | == frustration |
| 04:13.21 | squisher | ajchace: might not be what you are looking for, but phpldapadmin is pretty neat |
| 04:13.32 | ajchace | cool |
| 04:13.38 | ajchace | i'll have to check that out |
| 04:13.40 | devicenull | whats the default wireless card called? |
| 04:13.57 | ajchace | rather have a GTK app, but I may end up having to write it |
| 04:13.58 | ajchace | :-) |
| 04:14.03 | squisher | devicenull: under debian, I think it's just ethX |
| 04:14.04 | psychonate | well, I'll answer my own question in case anyone runs into the same problem: -xineramascreen |
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| 04:17.22 | anarcat | erm... hello |
| 04:17.34 | anarcat | i'm looking for glib-config in libglib2.0-dev |
| 04:17.35 | squisher | ajchace: I think there are some decent java apps out there too |
| 04:17.41 | anarcat | why isn't it packaged like in 1.2? |
| 04:18.10 | devicenull | okay, so that means my wireless card isnt being detected |
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| 04:18.39 | ajchace | that's cool |
| 04:19.01 | ajchace | guess I'm just frustrated because I found several apps that I liked |
| 04:19.17 | ajchace | but they seem to crash at the drop of a hat |
| 04:19.23 | squisher | devicenull: do an 'lsmod' and check if you have the correct module loaded... if not, then apparently not :-). 'iwlist' by default should check all your nics for wireless extension, if I recall correctly |
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| 04:20.16 | squisher | ajchace: hehe, yeah, that can be frustrating, definitely. Don't know why they are so shacky |
| 04:20.16 | ajchace | not to but in, but why not just 'ifconfig -a'? |
| 04:20.31 | devicenull | not detected |
| 04:20.33 | devicenull | no module |
| 04:20.46 | devicenull | gotta recompile my kernel anyway |
| 04:20.50 | squisher | devicenull: what kind of card is it? |
| 04:20.59 | devicenull | realtek rtl8180 |
| 04:21.08 | squisher | my iw2100 needed extra kernel modules that I had to dl manually |
| 04:21.14 | squisher | sorry, don't know about that one |
| 04:21.41 | devicenull | I can probably figure it out |
| 04:22.52 | detwa | i'm attempting to install debian from a usb pen drive - i did the zcat method and stuck the businesscard iso on it - i keep getting to the load installer components from iso - it says its failing to copy from cdrom - any idea what I should do? |
| 04:23.22 | chafe | im running an ./autogen.sh |
| 04:23.33 | devicenull | lol |
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| 04:23.37 | chafe | and then i suddenly get |
| 04:23.38 | chafe | + aclocal --force -I config.m4 |
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| 04:23.39 | chafe | ./autogen.sh: line31: aclocal: command not found |
| 04:23.39 | chafe | + set +x |
| 04:23.39 | devicenull | make menuconfig is failing |
| 04:24.25 | squisher | chafe: did you listen to my suggestion? |
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| 04:25.16 | chafe | squisher, yes i did |
| 04:25.25 | chafe | squisher, nothing found on packages.debian.org for the term aclocal |
| 04:25.46 | chafe | ok this helps, from the other channel |
| 04:25.47 | chafe | infi chafe: you need to install the automake package |
| 04:25.48 | devicenull | "scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declartion |
| 04:26.14 | sarefo_ | what's the best way to start kde from the command line? |
| 04:26.22 | avar | startkde |
| 04:26.43 | sarefo_ | avar: is there any chance that it won't freeze my system if 'startx' did so? |
| 04:26.54 | sarefo_ | it's a newly installed testing debian. |
| 04:27.03 | avar | that depends on why your system froze |
| 04:27.23 | sarefo_ | i have 'kde-core' and 'gdm' installed, no errors in the Xorg-log, and no idea why the system freezes :( |
| 04:27.25 | devicenull | fixed it myself ;) |
| 04:27.39 | chafe | aha |
| 04:27.45 | avar | try a different video driver |
| 04:27.49 | avar | vesa or vga |
| 04:31.04 | devicenull | how do I compile my kernel for i686 instead of i686 |
| 04:31.10 | devicenull | I cant find the option |
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| 04:31.39 | squisher | devicenull: it's right in the beginning... two levels deep into the menu |
| 04:31.53 | elik_debian | Hello, I'm looking for someone to refresh my memory on how to reload the groups a user is subscribed to (without restarting) |
| 04:32.09 | avar | log in and out |
| 04:32.22 | elik_debian | arg |
| 04:32.33 | elik_debian | there is a command |
| 04:32.35 | Guerin | elik_debian: newgrp |
| 04:32.38 | elik_debian | I can't remember it :( |
| 04:32.40 | elik_debian | Yah |
| 04:32.41 | devicenull | yea, seems to be in processor type and features |
| 04:32.46 | avar | hmm |
| 04:32.50 | devicenull | but that was set right last time |
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| 04:33.31 | Guerin | devicenull: it's impossible to compile a kernel for i686 instead of i686 |
| 04:33.36 | devicenull | I got it |
| 04:33.45 | devicenull | I copied the doc's too literally |
| 04:33.49 | elik_debian | Guerin, oh yeah, thx very much |
| 04:33.50 | devicenull | put -486 on the command line |
| 04:33.59 | elik_debian | !Guerin++ |
| 04:34.06 | KyussWren | How do I force X to go to a login window when it starts? |
| 04:34.12 | KyussWren | like... permanently |
| 04:34.20 | Guerin | KyussWren: install ?dm |
| 04:34.51 | KyussWren | methinks ?dm is x,g,k,s,w |
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| 04:35.49 | elik_debian | gdm |
| 04:35.55 | elik_debian | for gnome desktop manager |
| 04:36.03 | elik_debian | or kdm for kde destop manager |
| 04:36.13 | elik_debian | KyussWren, |
| 04:36.14 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:36.22 | Guerin | i thought they stood for 'dungeon master' |
| 04:36.26 | Guerin | that would be much cooler |
| 04:36.32 | KyussWren | I have them both installed |
| 04:36.55 | elik_debian | Guerin, sorry for poping your bubble |
| 04:36.57 | KyussWren | and, thank you |
| 04:37.17 | Guerin | elik_debian: next you're going to tell me the christmas fairy doesn't bring me beer at labour weekend |
| 04:37.17 | enouf | !rcconf |
| 04:37.17 | dpkg | "rcconf" is, like, a frontend to the update-rc.d, or check out "sysv-rc-conf" - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 04:37.22 | KyussWren | Um, another quick question. I installed Kdevelop, and I can't access it from gnome for some reason |
| 04:37.25 | SkareCrow | is it possible to do like an autologin for SSH from a certain ip on the network |
| 04:37.36 | Guerin | KyussWren: that would probably be because gnome is stupid |
| 04:37.40 | Guerin | KyussWren: try update-menus |
| 04:37.40 | enouf | KyussWren: use that to kill one of them |
| 04:37.51 | Guerin | SkareCrow: yes. |
| 04:37.56 | elik_debian | Guerin, but Santa Clauss is bringing you presents at christmas... |
| 04:38.03 | elik_debian | isnt that enought? |
| 04:38.06 | Guerin | SkareCrow: you don't want to do it unless both machines are extremely well secured, though |
| 04:38.10 | squisher | devicenull: I was looking into your xorg problem for a moment... did you do a bios update? Did you check the bios settings regarding video memory? |
| 04:38.17 | SkareCrow | Guerin, why is that? |
| 04:38.20 | devicenull | squisher, there is no available bios update |
| 04:38.25 | devicenull | nor is there a bios setting for it |
| 04:38.32 | Guerin | SkareCrow: because automatic logins are inherently insecure. |
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| 04:38.40 | elik_debian | once a year to everyone in the world... that takes good management not to forget someone |
| 04:38.44 | Varange | hi all |
| 04:38.57 | KyussWren | how long does update menus take to run? |
| 04:38.57 | squisher | devicenull: what's the laptop model? |
| 04:39.02 | SkareCrow | but if i have a static internal ip the only way to get it is to login to the router and knock me out and steal my ip |
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| 04:39.04 | devicenull | inspiron 2600 |
| 04:39.15 | SkareCrow | or do a local dos on me or something and drop my connection |
| 04:39.16 | devicenull | okay, why cant I find a kernel-source package for etch? |
| 04:39.35 | Guerin | SkareCrow: google ssh unattended |
| 04:39.42 | KyussWren | You can't? Thats the only thing I could find for etch |
| 04:39.43 | SkareCrow | thx |
| 04:39.50 | Varange | I've just done my first debian installation, which went real easy. Now the X Server doesn't start. Please help me. Is there any tool I can use to configure like XFdrake on my mandriva box? |
| 04:39.53 | devicenull | apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 04:39.55 | devicenull | nothing. |
| 04:40.09 | KyussWren | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:40.13 | KyussWren | Varange |
| 04:40.18 | Guerin | devicenull: linux-source |
| 04:40.26 | Varange | KyussWren: ahh, thanks, brb |
| 04:40.30 | enouf | !tell Varange about drxx |
| 04:40.35 | devicenull | oh sure, change the name on me :P |
| 04:40.45 | KyussWren | !jokes |
| 04:40.57 | Guerin | !qotd0 |
| 04:40.57 | KyussWren | dpkg doesn't know any jokes |
| 04:40.57 | dpkg | <rich_> Thats really the reason you have so much trouble. Linux is just a kernel to you. Without the apps yould be lost. For me, the kernel is the os, and if thats all I had, Id write my own apps |
| 04:41.18 | EdLin | wow, that's an oldie but goodie. :-) |
| 04:41.24 | Guerin | he was amazing |
| 04:41.28 | EdLin | !last rich_ |
| 04:41.41 | squisher | devicenull: someone suggests (not a bad idea) to load up knoppix and if that works, just copy their xorg config file |
| 04:41.47 | Guerin | had a motorbike accident and was constantly on painkillers, which warped his reality somewhat |
| 04:41.52 | Guerin | !seen rich_ |
| 04:41.53 | dpkg | rich_ <~rich@c-67-166-91-96.client.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 652d 7h 39m 30s ago, saying: 'directhex Fiuck you, your just spreading lies about me. The logs show clearly that the only thing that provokes your lies is when I mention the space shuttle. Why I do not know or particulliarly care.'. |
| 04:42.02 | Guerin | awesome |
| 04:42.13 | devicenull | squisher, the problem with that would be I'd have to find knoppix pxe stuff |
| 04:42.14 | enouf | wow .. almost two years |
| 04:42.22 | devicenull | not sure how easy that would be.. but it's worth a shot |
| 04:42.27 | sarefo_ | i used vesa as a driver, that worked fine. so, the freezing was probably due to the ati driver that comes with debian etch? any idea if there's a better driver for a ati radeon 9800pro (ie., one that doesn't freeze X ;)? |
| 04:42.38 | squisher | devicenull: no cd? |
| 04:42.41 | KyussWren | the update-menus, it does nothing! |
| 04:42.41 | devicenull | np[e |
| 04:42.44 | devicenull | *nope |
| 04:42.54 | squisher | oh that can be a pain in those cases... |
| 04:43.20 | KyussWren | That is good advice though, copying the xorg config from knoppix |
| 04:43.21 | devicenull | pxe isnt bad if I can find the images for it |
| 04:43.31 | KyussWren | How come nobody told me about that, sheesh |
| 04:43.57 | squisher | devicenull: yeah, I've used it too - can work pretty nicely |
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| 04:44.07 | Varange | KyussWren: fatal error - screens found. Huh? |
| 04:44.14 | KyussWren | But yea, I need to open up kdevelop and it isn't in the menus, and the .... |
| 04:44.17 | EdLin | KyussWren: because it's not a good idea. |
| 04:44.24 | KyussWren | You're joking... right? |
| 04:44.37 | sarefo_ | how do i install .deb files in the current directory? 'apt-get install <file>' won't work. |
| 04:44.47 | EdLin | KyussWren: I'm not joking, it's not a good idea to avoid using drxx. |
| 04:45.13 | Guerin | SkareCrow: dpkg -i |
| 04:45.16 | Guerin | sarefo_: |
| 04:45.21 | sarefo_ | thx |
| 04:45.26 | Varange | Kyuss: will you help me some more with my X server probs? |
| 04:45.42 | Kyuss | Sure, tell me more |
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| 04:46.14 | Kyuss | at what point did it give you the : fatal error - screens found. Huh? error |
| 04:46.16 | coach1988 | hi@all |
| 04:46.32 | Kyuss | which folder would I be able to start Kdevelop from? |
| 04:46.48 | EdLin | !folder |
| 04:46.49 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 04:47.00 | EdLin | Kyuss: it should be in your path |
| 04:47.10 | Varange | is there any way to autodetect a video card? |
| 04:47.12 | coach1988 | i've got 2 problems: 1st i want to use the nvidia agp driver instead of agpgart and 2nd i want to enable fast writes... |
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| 04:47.36 | coach1988 | i dunno y, but sda is already enabled^^ |
| 04:47.42 | EdLin | !y |
| 04:47.42 | dpkg | methinks y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 04:47.44 | coach1988 | *sba, sry |
| 04:47.49 | Varange | Kyuss: when trying to startx, the Fatal Error - no screens found came up |
| 04:47.54 | Kyuss | Not sure if there is a switch to turn autodetection on dpkg-reconfigure xserver |
| 04:48.14 | Kyuss | What sort of video card do you have? Integrated? Nvidia? ATI? |
| 04:48.17 | Varange | Kyuss: I went through the setup again, and entered some bogus info into the monitor setting |
| 04:48.34 | Varange | Kyuss: now it informs me that it found a screen but the config was wrong |
| 04:48.36 | Kyuss | Did you set the refresh rate to 300hz? |
| 04:48.47 | Kyuss | don't do that |
| 04:48.59 | Varange | Kyuss: no idea, the box is shut. |
| 04:49.28 | Varange | which is why I'm asking about auto-detect |
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| 04:49.40 | Kyuss | Is it welded shut? Go grab a screwdriver |
| 04:49.47 | coach1988 | tarzeau, don't you need any sleep? you're always here^^ |
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| 04:50.11 | elik_debian | !uptime tarzeau |
| 04:50.14 | Varange | Kyuss: hmmm |
| 04:50.22 | elik_debian | there is a command to get uptime.. |
| 04:50.25 | elik_debian | !help |
| 04:50.29 | Varange | brb Kyuss - lemme see if I can find one |
| 04:50.30 | Kyuss | An integrated card would be directory on the mother boardx |
| 04:51.13 | squisher | can anyone recommend me a good wm for gnome, I'm tired of metacity |
| 04:51.18 | elik_debian | directly* |
| 04:51.48 | EdLin | squisher: sawfish is one popular choice |
| 04:51.52 | elik_debian | squisher, wm? windows manager, isnt gnome a window manager in itself? |
| 04:51.54 | coach1988 | squisher, i use openbox |
| 04:52.15 | EdLin | squisher: many popular window managers have GNOME support though. |
| 04:52.24 | Kyuss | Varange, when you get back, what type of computer is it? Dell, HP, Homebrew? |
| 04:52.33 | EdLin | elik_debian: most GNOME setups have metacity, but they can use others. |
| 04:52.48 | squisher | EdLin: I used to use sawfish, it's very nice, but it used to crash a lot under amd64... now I'm back under x86, so maybe I'll give it another shot. It's not update anymore, though, is it? |
| 04:53.10 | EdLin | squisher: I don't know... |
| 04:53.25 | elik_debian | EdLin, ok... but what is gnome then? |
| 04:53.28 | EdLin | squisher: it's on sourceforge (sawmill.sf.net), check it and see. |
| 04:53.33 | squisher | elik_debian: no, gnome is a desktop environment, the actual windows are drawn by another program - by default metacity |
| 04:53.34 | elik_debian | EdLin, and where does metacity stands in there? |
| 04:53.53 | Varange | Kyuss: ok, it's an integrated video card on an Intel D845GLAD mainboard |
| 04:54.10 | Varange | Kyuss: I can't see the model of the chip as there's a heatr sink on it |
| 04:54.12 | EdLin | elik_debian: GNOME is a twisty maze of libraries, all of them broken. |
| 04:54.25 | Kyuss | Thats your CPU |
| 04:54.35 | Kyuss | and I believe D845 uses i810 |
| 04:54.45 | Varange | Oh, ok |
| 04:54.57 | Varange | so the video card is Intel i810? |
| 04:55.09 | Kyuss | that is the chipset driver you would be using |
| 04:55.17 | Varange | thanks, I'll try that, brb |
| 04:55.22 | squisher | Edlin: well, last official release is from '03, but the debian package has a cvs-date of 2006-05 ... |
| 04:55.25 | devicenull | Varange, RUN FAR AWAY |
| 04:55.26 | coach1988 | does anyone know how i can change the agp-driver from agpgart to nvidia? |
| 04:55.29 | elik_debian | EdLin <- KDE user I guess |
| 04:55.33 | Varange | devicenull: lol |
| 04:55.44 | Kyuss | devicenull, why you say that? |
| 04:55.45 | devicenull | I've been fighting with the i810 driver all ady. |
| 04:55.49 | EdLin | elik_debian: I don't use KDE or GNOME |
| 04:55.52 | devicenull | *day |
| 04:56.10 | elik_debian | EdLin, ok let me see, enlightment, or something more basic? |
| 04:56.11 | Kyuss | devicenull: I did that last week... it was worth the $50 for a new video card after that |
| 04:56.19 | devicenull | laptop |
| 04:56.20 | SkareCrow | what are the passwords in /etc/shadow encrypted in? |
| 04:56.22 | devicenull | not a desktop |
| 04:56.25 | EdLin | elik_debian: fvwm-crystal |
| 04:56.34 | devicenull | I have plenty of normal video cards |
| 04:56.36 | EdLin | elik_debian: but I'm currently in GNU screen. :-) |
| 04:56.37 | elik_debian | EdLin, fvwm, the one I was searching for |
| 04:56.41 | devicenull | trident.. 3? iirc |
| 04:56.43 | devicenull | voodoo 3 |
| 04:56.49 | devicenull | etc :P |
| 04:56.56 | elik_debian | EdLin, the most configurable eh? |
| 04:56.57 | Kyuss | get one that isn't normal... like that external video card I saw at the compy store |
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| 04:56.58 | EdLin | elik_debian: not plain fvwm, fvwm-crystal |
| 04:57.08 | devicenull | Kyuss, not worth it for this laptop |
| 04:57.09 | elik_debian | EdLin, I see |
| 04:57.14 | EdLin | elik_debian: perhaps |
| 04:57.19 | elik_debian | EdLin, actually, no... but maybe someday |
| 04:57.24 | elik_debian | :D |
| 04:57.31 | Kyuss | knoppix works fine on my laptop |
| 04:57.41 | devicenull | its a 5 year old laptop, case is held together in parts with duct tape, battery is gone, CDR is gone, bottom right corner of LCD is messed up |
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| 04:57.45 | coach1988 | EdLin, btw, whats the difference between plain and crystal? |
| 04:57.45 | Kyuss | anyway, still can't find the path for kdevelop |
| 04:57.55 | devicenull | but it runs fine, and the HD/NIC/PCMIA slot work fine |
| 04:58.23 | EdLin | coach1988: crystal has very nice defaults and has a bit of transparency, though the latter is not why I'm using it. |
| 04:58.27 | Kyuss | Happy for you. I've been running debian 2 weeks now... windows is dead to me |
| 04:58.38 | Kyuss | except for the fact that I have to work with it EVERY day |
| 04:58.39 | devicenull | and having an external video card defeats the purpose of a laptop :P |
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| 04:59.09 | Kyuss | So call the manufacturer and complain |
| 04:59.12 | Kyuss | a lot |
| 04:59.16 | devicenull | its 5 years old |
| 04:59.20 | devicenull | no longer supported |
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| 04:59.37 | Kyuss | so... find a sugar mama to buy you a new one |
| 04:59.43 | devicenull | its been through a ton of shit |
| 04:59.54 | Kyuss | I hope you don't mean literaly |
| 04:59.57 | devicenull | no |
| 05:00.06 | devicenull | but, it's seen a lot of use |
| 05:00.12 | coach1988 | again...does anyone know how to change the agp-driver from agpgart to nvidia? |
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| 05:00.58 | jzu_ | Hmm |
| 05:01.12 | jzu_ | how do I set sh script to wait for the key-press? |
| 05:01.18 | EdLin | coach1988: it's documented in nvidia's documents in the /usr/share/doc tree. |
| 05:01.22 | devicenull | actually, all I'd need to do is fix the case, new battery, more RAM, and I'd be good |
| 05:01.49 | jzu_ | QUOTE |
| 05:01.49 | jzu_ | fi |
| 05:01.49 | jzu_ | exit 0 |
| 05:01.53 | jzu_ | thats the end of the script |
| 05:02.08 | jzu_ | I want it to wait for the key-press before terminating |
| 05:02.31 | squisher | read X |
| 05:02.40 | squisher | that'd wait for enter though |
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| 05:03.15 | devicenull | you could write a simple c program to wait for the end |
| 05:03.20 | devicenull | *keystroke |
| 05:03.26 | jzu_ | squisher: hmm, I placed it after "fi", but it didn't wait |
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| 05:03.51 | Kyuss | devicenull, have you tried the i740 driver? |
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| 05:04.01 | devicenull | Kyuss, no.. I have a 830 chipset |
| 05:04.04 | coach1988 | EdLin, i don't have an nvidia-dir in /usr/share/docs |
| 05:04.11 | coach1988 | only nvclock |
| 05:04.16 | jzu_ | I'm replacing users bash with wargames, and I want it to wait for the keypress before terminating wargames (=his ssh-session dies and he logs out) |
| 05:04.29 | coach1988 | EdLin, i'm sry |
| 05:04.31 | squisher | jzu_: that really should work, otherwise google for the advanced bash scripting guide (abs-guide package) and check there |
| 05:04.34 | Kyuss | brb |
| 05:04.39 | jzu_ | squisher: ok |
| 05:04.41 | EdLin | !sry |
| 05:04.41 | dpkg | i heard sry is Sorry, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRY |
| 05:04.47 | coach1988 | it was just at the beginning of the dir (capital letters~.~) |
| 05:05.16 | yggdrasi1 | hi , im trying to perform i guesse a hd install . basicly this is a 32mb of ram laptop currently has.dam small lin on it. got initrd.gz and linux on the hard drive and pointing grub over to it but wont boot. an somone help |
| 05:06.02 | EdLin | yggdrasi1: you can't install Linux by copying over a kernel file. |
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| 05:06.14 | kyuss | OH DANGIT |
| 05:06.39 | EdLin | yggdrasi1: are you trying to install Debian or Damn Small Linux? |
| 05:06.39 | kyuss | I have gdm, kdm and xdm installed and it won't bring up any of them when I startx |
| 05:06.42 | yggdrasi1 | edlin. if it s the netboot image i can |
| 05:06.50 | yggdrasi1 | debain |
| 05:06.54 | yggdrasi1 | trying to kill dam small |
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| 05:07.01 | EdLin | !d-i yggdrasi1 |
| 05:07.02 | dpkg | yggdrasi1, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 05:08.24 | yggdrasi1 | thank you |
| 05:08.44 | EdLin | yggdrasi1: np |
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| 05:09.03 | kyuss | Help, my desktop keeps defaulting to gnome |
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| 05:09.37 | tarzeau | coach1988: i'm not |
| 05:09.46 | tarzeau | coach1988: i'm not always here, but my irc client is |
| 05:09.58 | coach1988 | ^^ |
| 05:10.01 | tarzeau | elik_debian: i forgot how to check irssi uptime.. but it runs inside a screen |
| 05:10.23 | coach1988 | tarzeau, do you know how to replace agpgart with the nvidia-driver or how to enable fast writes? |
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| 05:10.38 | tarzeau | coach1988: no idea i use www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
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| 05:10.42 | elik_debian | tarzeau, hum, let me see |
| 05:11.30 | coach1988 | tarzeau, so, do you use agpgart and do you have fs? |
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| 05:11.34 | elik_debian | !ircstats tarzeau |
| 05:11.58 | tarzeau | coach1988: i can play bloboats very fast |
| 05:12.00 | elik_debian | bah, too bad... |
| 05:12.07 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 05:12.08 | dpkg | hmm... debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 05:12.10 | tarzeau | elik_debian: you mean these? |
| 05:12.16 | coach1988 | tarzeau, wtf is bloboats? |
| 05:12.24 | tarzeau | coach1988: a game that needs fast 3d |
| 05:12.35 | tarzeau | coach1988: i can also play brutalchess or briquolo, pathogen |
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| 05:12.54 | coach1988 | tarzeau, 'cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status' |
| 05:13.17 | tarzeau | coach1988: cat: /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status: No such file or directory |
| 05:13.25 | coach1988 | lol? |
| 05:13.32 | tarzeau | coach1988: i have nvidia 4219040 6 |
| 05:13.39 | tarzeau | coach1988: this module. and a 2.4 kernel |
| 05:13.46 | elik_debian | tarzeau, uh, which? |
| 05:13.48 | coach1988 | i use an 2.6 |
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| 05:13.58 | tarzeau | elik_debian, coach1988 2.4.33.2 |
| 05:14.03 | tarzeau | coach1988: at home i have 2.6 also |
| 05:14.06 | tarzeau | coach1988: but i'm not home now |
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| 05:14.17 | squisher | why the heck would the idmapd work for one of my nfs4 shares, but not for the other? |
| 05:14.18 | kyuss | gnome is dumb |
| 05:14.25 | tarzeau | ask me in 13 hours again, when i'm home |
| 05:14.33 | tarzeau | kyuss: indeed |
| 05:14.45 | Varange | here's how to get the X server working: dick around with the config until it all freezes up, then hit the reset button, wait till debian reboots, and Bingo! it all works ;)) |
| 05:14.59 | Varange | hi again kyuss |
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| 05:15.34 | Varange | I see a lot of services running that I don't want... which tool do I use to manage the daemons? |
| 05:15.44 | kyuss | Did that work for you Varange? |
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| 05:16.28 | Varange | kyuss, lol, sure did. A good old restart ;)) |
| 05:16.35 | elik_debian | tarzeau, uh, are you a bot? |
| 05:16.56 | tarzeau | elik_debian: YES I AM A RO-BOT |
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| 05:17.21 | Varange | kyuss, how to administrate the daemons? |
| 05:17.38 | elik_debian | tarzeau, ok, pfew.... I was starting to wonder |
| 05:17.46 | kyuss | ancient black sorcery? |
| 05:17.54 | zenwryly | Since a recent dist-upgrade, "aciptool -s" will put my laptop to sleep but it doesn't wake up fullly from it. It seems to wake up at least somewhat because I can wake it up, hit the up cursor key and hit enter to re-enter the "acpitool -s" command in the shell and it goes back to sleep, but I see nothign on the screen while doing that. Does anyone have any ideas? |
| 05:18.38 | elik_debian | tarzeau, did you pass Turing test? |
| 05:18.39 | Varange | kyuss, lol, yes. |
| 05:18.58 | tarzeau | elik_debian: feel free to test me right now |
| 05:19.07 | Varange | elik_debian, what about people who failed their IQ test? |
| 05:19.09 | kyuss | I don't know for certain, I'm not sure how to check the which ones are running |
| 05:19.17 | Guerin | Varange: they become red hat developers |
| 05:19.17 | Varange | kyuss, thanks :) |
| 05:19.23 | elik_debian | tarzeau, are you insinuating I'm one of those? |
| 05:19.31 | Varange | Guerin, aww gee, good old Deadrat |
| 05:19.46 | argonel | how does one configure the dpms off time for xorg? |
| 05:19.48 | enouf | kyuss: sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 05:19.56 | tarzeau | elik_debian: did you pass the elk test? |
| 05:20.13 | Guerin | tarzeau: itym the møøse test |
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| 05:20.28 | tarzeau | !itym |
| 05:20.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, itym is I Think You Mean |
| 05:20.58 | Varange | Guerin, is there a debian tool to administer services (daemons)? |
| 05:20.59 | elik_debian | tarzeau, I'm still around |
| 05:21.07 | elik_debian | tarzeau, thus, I did pass the test |
| 05:21.12 | Guerin | Varange: /msg dpkg services |
| 05:21.29 | Varange | Guerin, thanks |
| 05:21.52 | elik_debian | tarzeau, Guerin is right on this one |
| 05:22.06 | elik_debian | it's moose test... but elk test redirect to the same page... |
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| 05:22.09 | kyuss | O.O I can analyze compiler options via evolutionary programs? |
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| 05:23.23 | kyuss | And I can write C++ in english! WTF! |
| 05:23.43 | elik_debian | wow... And I can write Basic in french, w00t |
| 05:24.27 | kyuss | no, its a package called cdecl |
| 05:24.52 | kyuss | basic in french, lol |
| 05:24.59 | elik_debian | man, it's true |
| 05:25.06 | elik_debian | freaky eh? |
| 05:25.33 | elik_debian | If you have Excel in french, you can type in non portable formulas in French!!! |
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| 05:25.34 | elik_debian | Fantastic |
| 05:25.59 | kyuss | yet I still can't find a working C++ compiler and I have to write 2 programs in 35 minutes |
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| 05:26.15 | elik_debian | hum... |
| 05:26.18 | elik_debian | g++??? |
| 05:26.28 | nprice | How can I make ssh connections not timeout after inactivity? |
| 05:26.47 | tarzeau | !build-essential |
| 05:26.47 | dpkg | somebody said build-essential was If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't need this package. This package contains an informational list of packages which are considered essential for building Debian packages. or apt-get install build-essential; to be able to compile shit |
| 05:26.48 | kyuss | ok, fine, a gui implementation so I can type and be comfortable |
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| 05:27.09 | wols | kyuss: do you know what a compiler is? |
| 05:27.21 | elik_debian | kyrus, kile |
| 05:27.24 | wols | there are no "GUI implementations" of compilers. IDEs maybe |
| 05:27.26 | elik_debian | I heard it was nice.... |
| 05:27.31 | wols | anjutah |
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| 05:27.37 | elik_debian | yeah, anjutah is cool |
| 05:27.37 | Varange | ok, thanks all, bye |
| 05:27.43 | elik_debian | or a plugin for Eclipse |
| 05:27.43 | wols | kdevelop |
| 05:27.53 | kyuss | I heard eclipse was nice, and kdevelop won't load for some reason |
| 05:27.54 | wakejagr_ | nprice: search the ssh man page for keepalive |
| 05:27.54 | wols | Those are all IDEs btw |
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| 05:28.14 | CruX- | hi! i'm having a hard time with rebuilding a package from source :( |
| 05:28.19 | elik_debian | Eclipse requires a plugin for C++ which I never tried |
| 05:28.21 | kyuss | wols: yes, I know the difference and am not here to argue semantics |
| 05:28.48 | CruX- | wanna get nvidia-settings to provide a libXNVCtrl.a but no luck so far |
| 05:28.53 | wols | well, neiother of the things just mentioned is a compiler. at all |
| 05:29.10 | kyuss | Do you want me to write you a freaking compiler? |
| 05:29.38 | wols | no, all I want is you to call tools with their right names, otherwise it's hard for others to know what you actually mean |
| 05:29.41 | elik_debian | ah, cmon,... |
| 05:29.53 | elik_debian | it's not as if it mattered so much... |
| 05:30.13 | CruX- | apparently it's building the lib but not putting it in the .deb |
| 05:30.24 | kyuss | wols: the common layman won't know the difference, and the educated person will be able to reason that IDE is what I mean |
| 05:30.49 | jetscreamer | i have an ide ... not scsi... |
| 05:31.00 | wols | elik_debian: it's probably linking it in the finished executable since it's a static lib. wouldn't oyu be better off with a dynamic version of it? |
| 05:31.02 | kyuss | its PATA... |
| 05:31.28 | jetscreamer | rll |
| 05:31.47 | amphi | heh |
| 05:32.05 | amphi | jetscreamer: you pushed him over the edge |
| 05:32.16 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 05:32.23 | CruX- | anyone knows the "very easy, very quick, very lazy" way of doing that? |
| 05:32.40 | wols | people who wanna do write pograms but don't know how the compiler is called? |
| 05:32.51 | jetscreamer | CruX-: that would be against debian policy... |
| 05:32.58 | wols | CruX-: edit /debian/ file somewhere |
| 05:32.59 | Nethox | Every programmer should know the difference |
| 05:33.00 | jetscreamer | (no idea) |
| 05:33.16 | Guerin | CruX-: use checkinstall or something |
| 05:33.29 | CruX- | CruX-: against wich debian policy? |
| 05:33.43 | wols | CruX-: talking to yourself? |
| 05:33.47 | Guerin | CruX-: if you can answer yourself, why are you asking? |
| 05:33.49 | CruX- | sorry jeje |
| 05:34.01 | CruX- | i meant jetscreamer |
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| 05:34.29 | wols | CruX-: for starters it would be a "wrong" package |
| 05:34.37 | k-man_ | what should i search for to find out how to configure exim so it asks me for a password to send emails? |
| 05:34.40 | wols | but is there as nvidia-settings -dev package? |
| 05:34.41 | SpeedyG | hey guys, does /proc somewhere hide the socket-type used on the box? |
| 05:34.53 | sarefo_ | i have kde installed, but when i type 'startx', gnome is started. how can i change this? |
| 05:35.01 | jetscreamer | CruX-: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
| 05:35.02 | Guerin | sarefo_: man xsession |
| 05:35.07 | wols | k-man_: there is no way to do that. you can use smtp-auth (if you use a smarthost e.g.) |
| 05:35.13 | jetscreamer | startkde i think |
| 05:35.21 | sarefo_ | thx Guerin |
| 05:35.25 | jetscreamer | try it |
| 05:35.25 | k-man_ | wols... smtp-auth? |
| 05:35.26 | wols | but the passw is usually written on disk, no need for exim to ask ( and no way) |
| 05:35.47 | CruX- | jetscreamer: i asked which subitem of those were you referring to? |
| 05:35.48 | sarefo_ | jetscreamer: i tried startkde before, it complains that X is not running. |
| 05:35.52 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:35.56 | k-man_ | wols, i want to set up a system where my road warrier users can use my smtp server, securely from any remote location |
| 05:36.05 | wols | ah, you mean when your MUA connects to exim and wants to send a mail it needs a password? that's smtod-auth |
| 05:36.12 | jetscreamer | CruX-: i'll have to get back to you on that, i don't have my notes handy... |
| 05:36.28 | wols | *smptd-auth |
| 05:36.39 | elik_debian | wols, uh |
| 05:36.39 | jetscreamer | sarefo_: you could apt-get install kdm |
| 05:36.40 | Nethox | sarefo_: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager and x-window-manager |
| 05:36.42 | jetscreamer | if you wanted |
| 05:36.53 | Guerin | k-man_: /msg dpkg postfix tutorial |
| 05:37.10 | wols | elik_debian: hm? |
| 05:37.15 | CruX- | Guerin: i'm not trying to install from an external source, i'm trying to build from deb-src so no checkisntall |
| 05:37.17 | k-man_ | Guerin, can't it be done with exim? |
| 05:37.27 | SpeedyG | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.29 | elik_debian | wols, it's probably linking it in the finished executable since it's a static lib. wouldn't oyu be better off with a dynamic version of it? |
| 05:37.32 | wols | k-man_: it certainly can but neither Guerin nor me knows how |
| 05:37.37 | Guerin | k-man_: of course. I just don't know how, since I use postfix. |
| 05:37.42 | k-man_ | ooh |
| 05:37.44 | Nethox | sarefo_: thats for global configuration, if you want per-user settings, use ~/.xsession or .xinitrc as someone told you |
| 05:37.45 | k-man_ | i see.. ok, thanks |
| 05:37.46 | wols | elik_debian: I already asked him that. he didn't answer |
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| 05:38.29 | jetscreamer | ah. all of them |
| 05:38.33 | wols | CruX-: WHY do you need that lib? way can't you use a static lib? |
| 05:38.34 | jetscreamer | duh |
| 05:38.48 | apfel | I have a fairly old bootable debian CD (kernel 2.2.something). When I boot the system and try chroot it says "FATAL: kernel too old". Any ideas? |
| 05:38.49 | wols | CruX-: oops. why not a SHARED lib |
| 05:39.04 | Guerin | apfel: use a newer bootcd. Duh. |
| 05:39.05 | elik_debian | wols, I see |
| 05:39.13 | jetscreamer | CruX-: i meant somebody telling you a fast easy way btw, not what you're trying to do |
| 05:39.32 | CruX- | wols: cause i wanna get support for temperature reading in gnome-sensors panel applet for my nvidia card |
| 05:39.48 | wols | CruX-: That's not what I asked |
| 05:39.48 | Guerin | CruX-: bah, that's a frivolous waste of our time |
| 05:39.50 | yggdrasi1 | edlin got it ! ;0) thanks |
| 05:39.56 | apfel | Guerin: Seriously. I can't get a new CD. Can I choose another kernel image at the prompt, for example? |
| 05:40.15 | wols | Guerin: this is IRC. and today is a holiday, a sort of sunday here in .de |
| 05:40.22 | Guerin | apfel: how should I know? It's your cd. You haven't even said which it is. |
| 05:40.27 | Guerin | wols: oh. |
| 05:40.29 | Nethox | apfel: check F<n> screens before booting the kernel image |
| 05:41.07 | apfel | Nethox: I couldn't find anything useful there |
| 05:41.19 | CruX- | wols: i don't understand what's the relevance of a shared (or static) library in my question... |
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| 05:41.31 | CruX- | Guerin: sorry, is this the wrong channel to ask that? |
| 05:41.46 | EdLin | yggdrasi1: great! |
| 05:41.54 | wols | CruX-: shared libs are just that. shared between the several programs that use it. |
| 05:42.00 | apfel | Guerin: Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 r0 "Potato" - Official i386 Binary-1 (20000814) |
| 05:42.07 | Guerin | CruX-: tricky to say. Nvidia isn't supportable, since it's proprietary, but there's no other place to ask about .deb building. |
| 05:42.22 | Guerin | apfel: ok, now we're getting somewhere. |
| 05:42.27 | CruX- | wols: I know the diff between that, i just don't know what that has to do with getting it in a .deb... |
| 05:42.29 | sarefo_ | does anybody here run bash completions on debian? i used it on suse, it's really nice. can't find a package though. |
| 05:42.50 | Guerin | sarefo_: bash completion is on by default in debian |
| 05:43.00 | vulture | sarefo_: it's there by default, just got to modify your /etc/bash.bashrc I think.. |
| 05:43.06 | wols | CruX-: well you ignoring the other stuff I mentioened, so other avenues had to be explorerd |
| 05:43.30 | Guerin | vulture: long time no see |
| 05:44.38 | sarefo_ | vulture: thx a lot :) |
| 05:44.40 | CruX- | wols: you mean the Q about an nvidia-settings-dev? |
| 05:45.05 | wols | No I meant the sueggestion of editing a /devbian/ file |
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| 05:45.42 | wols | the -dev thing was in response to debian policy |
| 05:46.02 | CruX- | wols: ok then |
| 05:46.24 | Nethox | apfel: Potato uses 2.2.19, there's no more kernel images, you need a newer install CD |
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| 05:46.30 | CruX- | wols: wich debian/file are you suggesting i edit? rules? |
| 05:46.57 | wols | the one that determines which files go in the deb |
| 05:47.18 | wols | I'd start with looking at which files are actually in and where they are mentioned in the debian files |
| 05:48.49 | wols | apfel: download a netinstall CD for sarge and mount the file. use that instead of your potatoe CD |
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| 05:50.00 | vulture | Guerin: g'day g'day. I'm always here, just lurking in the shadows.. |
| 05:50.18 | CruX- | wols: done that, and afaik it just puts anything is finds under debian/nvidia-settings, wich isn't much anyway |
| 05:50.37 | CruX- | wols: debian/nvidia-settings/usr/bin/nvidia-settings |
| 05:50.43 | wols | sure, but you can add your own stuff there, no? |
| 05:51.00 | CruX- | wols: I think |
| 05:51.42 | CruX- | wols: gonna try, brb |
| 05:51.55 | wols | But you DO know doing it in that quick+dirty way means you will have troubles with the package when you update one day? |
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| 05:56.40 | yggdrasi1 | hey guys just out of curiosity is there a grub installer you can do from windows ? |
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| 05:56.56 | wols | yggdrasi1: you can make a grub bootfloppy |
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| 05:57.10 | wols | no other way afaik |
| 05:57.15 | yggdrasi1 | ahh intersting |
| 05:57.21 | yggdrasi1 | thanks just wondering. |
| 05:58.05 | gpm | hey everyone. i'm trying to change my bootsplash theme. i've moved the "current" symlink to point to the new theme and ran update-initramfs -u -k all....but it still shows the same old theme...what am i missing? |
| 05:58.55 | wols | gpm: sense? |
| 05:58.59 | yggdrasi1 | ha |
| 05:59.20 | gpm | wols: wow, what a welcoming, friendly environment you're creating. |
| 05:59.34 | amphi | gpm: what is the purpose of bootsplat? |
| 05:59.44 | wols | amphi: annoy :P |
| 05:59.53 | gpm | there isn't a practical purpose, i'm just doing this for fun |
| 05:59.55 | yggdrasi1 | look cool . cuz we all reboot so dam often. |
| 06:00.11 | amphi | wols: I don't think I've ever seen it |
| 06:00.12 | gpm | yeah, i don't leave my box on overnight |
| 06:00.23 | wols | and when we do, we don't want to be alerted by the kernel of any possible problems either |
| 06:00.45 | gpm | i didn't say i was using silent, there is a verbose option as well |
| 06:00.46 | wols | amphi: it hides messages at bootup and gives out a fancy image or whatever instead |
| 06:01.23 | amphi | wols: how incredibly useful |
| 06:01.24 | wols | gpm: I have a hard time to read the relevant stuff when I have the full screen available. |
| 06:01.26 | Agrajag- | gday, im having a problem with my mail. I use fetchmail to deliver mail locally, then exim4 + courier-imap, using Maildir format. Sometimes somewhere along the line something screws up and i end up with malformed email files in my Maildir, and upon inspection it appears that the last line or two from one email has somehow made it to the top line in the next, therefore it screws up the headers of the 2nd one and mail clients get con |
| 06:01.58 | Agrajag- | has anyone come across this problem before, or have any idea which part of my mail setup would be causing it (something tells me exim4 must be, since it writes the maildir files right?) |
| 06:01.59 | gpm | i don't |
| 06:02.02 | amphi | gpm: suspend to disk is handy |
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| 06:02.42 | Kyuss | looking for a linux console emulator with C++ compiler for windows |
| 06:02.59 | wols | what is a console emulator? |
| 06:02.59 | Agrajag- | Kyuss: msys/mingw |
| 06:03.01 | wols | qemu? |
| 06:03.04 | gpm | amphi: i have a separate box for server-ish stuff which i leave on all the time. this is just a desktop which i don't mind turning off/on every day since i mainly use it for browsing and such...it'd be a waste of energy to leave it on |
| 06:03.12 | wols | ah, a windows question |
| 06:03.20 | wols | Kyuss: good place to ask :) |
| 06:03.39 | Kyuss | sort of, yea... got a response fast didn't I |
| 06:03.42 | amphi | gpm: that's why I suggested suspend to disk; full power off, and restore the state on next boot |
| 06:03.55 | Kyuss | as opposed to the windows room where I got asked "whats linux?" |
| 06:04.01 | wols | Kyuss: are you writing networking enabled programs? |
| 06:04.04 | gpm | amphi: cool, i'll check it out |
| 06:04.26 | Kyuss | haven't gotten to the tty yet, but I will be in about a week |
| 06:04.26 | amphi | gpm: you need swap > ram |
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| 06:05.04 | wols | what has a tty to do with networking? well maybe in a very primitive way, but still? |
| 06:05.29 | Kyuss | I'm working out of a 20 year old book... the book says tty |
| 06:06.15 | wols | and it does say tty for networking, are you really sure? |
| 06:06.29 | wols | cause even back then they had ethernet, framerelay, OSI and all that |
| 06:06.38 | wols | not to mention AX.25 |
| 06:06.44 | Nethox | amphi: you mean software suspend kernel option? |
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| 06:06.51 | amphi | Nethox: yup |
| 06:07.27 | red | hey, how is it easy to exit a .deb file? |
| 06:07.28 | Kyuss | I've written a few asp apps that access a database |
| 06:07.34 | Nethox | amphi: Has it some kind of problem with devices at resume or is it perfectly stable? I am considering it.. |
| 06:08.05 | elik_debian | wb Kyuss |
| 06:08.05 | Kyuss | so in short, no, not yet, give me a couple weeks |
| 06:08.08 | red | I want to change the details of the ./configure script. For some reason the php4-cli version that I'm getting via apt-get is compiled --without-mysql |
| 06:08.11 | Kyuss | hehehe, good to be here |
| 06:08.14 | wols | red: a .deb file is data. you can't "exit" it since you never run it |
| 06:08.15 | red | Which is really average |
| 06:08.33 | red | s/exit/edit/ |
| 06:08.35 | red | sorry |
| 06:08.41 | amphi | Nethox: it seems to work ok here - what devices were you considering? |
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| 06:09.00 | wols | red: get the source, and edit some /debian/ file, probably control or rules. forgot which |
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| 06:09.08 | wols | one where it runs configure and gives options |
| 06:09.19 | amphi | Nethox: I have to stop and start the stupid winmodem driver in the script |
| 06:09.45 | wols | red: but there is a php4-mysql. You do know that, right? |
| 06:10.17 | wols | and that php4-cli is only the bin/php4 program IIRC, you know that too? that it depens on the "real" php4 compiled as a shared lib which does all the work? |
| 06:11.02 | Kyuss | but yea, those programs weren't exactly what I was looking for |
| 06:11.28 | Kyuss | I'm in a class, and the teacher cannot get the linux system working, and all he would be doing in linux is the console anyway |
| 06:11.33 | wols | Kyuss: when u you named stuff wrong, it's kinda hard to help you |
| 06:11.43 | wols | s/u you/you always |
| 06:12.07 | wols | shouldn't the teacher KNOW? he's getting paid for it after all? |
| 06:12.18 | red | wols: yep, I know this. I have mysql working via apache, I have added it to /etc/php4/cli/php.ini , works on my kubunu dev box but debian uses another package. |
| 06:12.31 | Kyuss | so what I'm looking for is a windows app which emulates a linux console somewhat similar to the windows telnet emulator |
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| 06:12.45 | red | wols: by 'source' you mean the tarball ... |
| 06:12.51 | Kyuss | and wols... ... ... he should. he doesn't. |
| 06:12.54 | wols | red: I mean man apt-get |
| 06:13.01 | Kyuss | its a community college |
| 06:13.01 | Nethox | amphi: I don't know what device drivers could be a problem at resume time, maybe It just happens with ACPI_SLEEP. Thank for the info. |
| 06:13.07 | wols | Kyuss: you should ask #windows too but you don't |
| 06:13.10 | amphi | Kyuss: what can't he get working? |
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| 06:13.27 | red | wols: apt-get install php4-cli ? |
| 06:13.38 | Kyuss | linux on the computer that is in the lecture room, he has 9 running in the lab. |
| 06:13.41 | yggdrasi1 | i heard that the windows virtual pc is free now ? |
| 06:13.42 | wols | red: I thought you already had that installed? |
| 06:13.44 | red | wols: got ya man apt-get |
| 06:13.46 | Agrajag- | Kyuss: mingw/msys will give you a bash prompt and g++ if that's what you're after |
| 06:13.47 | amphi | Nethox: try it and see what gives probs, if anything - you can always modprobe -r/modprobe modules, restart hotplug, etc. in the acpi script |
| 06:14.02 | wols | yggdrasi1: ask #windows? or does it run under debian know too? |
| 06:14.09 | Kyuss | its a problem with the ide setup and the fact that it is running on a removable hard drive, that and the machine doesn't have any ram in slot 0 |
| 06:14.20 | yggdrasi1 | hah |
| 06:14.23 | yggdrasi1 | move the ram over |
| 06:14.27 | Nethox | amphi: ok, I'll try it just after resizing the swap partition :) |
| 06:14.44 | Kyuss | thats what I said, I even handed him a screwdriver since I can get expelled for doing that |
| 06:14.45 | yggdrasi1 | does it have a cdrom drive ? just run a live cd |
| 06:15.13 | amphi | Kyuss: sounds like getting expelled would be a relief |
| 06:15.19 | apfel | wols: I downloaded the netinstall iso. So now I boot my system with the old boot-CD, then mount the netinstall iso? |
| 06:15.24 | yggdrasi1 | ahh the humanity of getting expelled for fixing something. |
| 06:15.38 | yggdrasi1 | amphi im with you |
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| 06:15.43 | Kyuss | I've been going for 3 years... last year there |
| 06:16.17 | yggdrasi1 | id say go to the goodwil , buy a junk laptop for 10 bucks and put a linux on it. |
| 06:16.55 | wols | apfel: I thought you were mounting the potato CD locally already, sorry. The easiest way would be burning it then |
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| 06:17.19 | apfel | wols: that's currently my problem :( anyways, thanks |
| 06:17.33 | wols | apfel: what _can_ you do then right now |
| 06:17.55 | yggdrasi1 | apfel what are you tryin to do ? |
| 06:18.19 | apfel | I have to install windows and afterwards I want to install grub in the MBR again |
| 06:18.27 | apfel | any better way of doing this with chroot'ing? |
| 06:18.28 | wols | apfel: do you have network access? maybe you could sorta dist upgrade? Or: compile a new kernel (2.4 based at least) and then run that upon which your chroot would work, etc? |
| 06:18.54 | wols | popato comes with lilo. use that |
| 06:19.21 | wols | *potato |
| 06:19.46 | yggdrasi1 | what does chroot do ? |
| 06:19.50 | wols | apfel: what is currently installed on disk? |
| 06:19.53 | wols | yggdrasi1: man chroot |
| 06:20.05 | red | where is a open-source repository in the UK? |
| 06:20.17 | apfel | wols: currently there's debian etch installed |
| 06:20.19 | red | I need to apt-get source for debian packages |
| 06:20.27 | yggdrasi1 | yar |
| 06:20.27 | wols | red: ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 06:20.49 | wols | red: I hope you aren't downloading the original tarballs? I said download DEBIAN source, not UPSTREAM source |
| 06:21.18 | red | wols: yep, the debian packages |
| 06:21.25 | wols | apfel: and can you, when starting from your old potato CD run the etch userland? |
| 06:21.35 | wols | !mirrors |
| 06:21.35 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 06:21.53 | wols | red: there are debian mirrors listed there |
| 06:22.01 | apfel | wols: what exactly do you mean? I can mount the partitions |
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| 06:22.31 | wols | apfel: if you start from a potato CD, all you can do is load the kernel in rescue mode. potato is no LiveCD |
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| 06:22.43 | NaufraGo | can I intall mplayer by apt-get ? |
| 06:22.53 | wols | !tell NaufraGo about marillat |
| 06:23.07 | NaufraGo | I want mplayer |
| 06:23.19 | apfel | wols: I tried to boot it with the rescue command and got "FATAL: kernel too old" as well |
| 06:23.24 | wols | and dpkg just told you how to get |
| 06:23.41 | wols | apfel: so you'r now in the install on 2nd terminal? |
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| 06:24.11 | apfel | wols: no, I have to reboot |
| 06:24.27 | apfel | wols: but if the lilo solution should work I can try this |
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| 06:24.32 | wols | so how did you mount the partitions then? |
| 06:24.40 | apfel | wols: it's just that I have only one attempt |
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| 06:24.56 | karsten_ | Um. Any known command to toggle a screen backlight? |
| 06:24.56 | apfel | wols: I can't burn a CD in the next days |
| 06:25.01 | wols | why only one? |
| 06:25.13 | wols | you could always reboot from the debian CD no? |
| 06:25.45 | Nethox | karsten_: With an ATI card, install radeontool and: radeontool light off|on |
| 06:25.55 | karsten_ | Nethox: Thinkpad. |
| 06:25.55 | amphi | karsten_: radeontool for the eponymous cards |
| 06:25.57 | apfel | wols: you mean booting my current (sarge) kernel? |
| 06:26.05 | karsten_ | S3/Savage card. |
| 06:26.13 | apfel | wols: I mean what if lilo screws the MBR up |
| 06:26.17 | wols | apfel: i don't understand if you can boot right now, why can't you boot in the future? |
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| 06:26.27 | apfel | wols: I can boot |
| 06:26.30 | karsten_ | wols: now isn't the future? |
| 06:26.48 | wols | now is now and the past is gone |
| 06:26.55 | wols | the future is in a totally different place |
| 06:27.00 | apfel | wols: but when I installed windows I can't start my linux system anymore. I only have the boot CD then |
| 06:27.04 | karsten_ | wols: seems like just yesterday we were calling today tomorrow. |
| 06:27.09 | amphi | karsten_: /proc/acpi/ibm/video if you use the ibm-acpi module, perhaps - or is that machine too old? |
| 06:27.18 | wols | apfel: that's wrong. windows can boot linux |
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| 06:27.25 | karsten_ | amphi: No /proc/ibm |
| 06:27.29 | wols | it doesn't want to, but it can |
| 06:27.38 | wols | karsten_: ibm doesn't make videocards |
| 06:27.53 | karsten_ | wols: S3/savage |
| 06:28.00 | wols | karsten_: poor you |
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| 06:28.01 | amphi | karsten_: T22? |
| 06:28.06 | karsten_ | amphi: T21 |
| 06:28.09 | Nethox | karsten_:There are backlight & LCD options in the kernel config, but I have never used them (section devices/graphics) |
| 06:28.29 | karsten_ | Nethox: Every once in a while it seems to just shut off. |
| 06:28.40 | wols | apfel: you will need a debian bootsector but then it can |
| 06:29.02 | yggdrasil | cant he just make a grub bootflopyy ? |
| 06:29.04 | apfel | wols: do you think the lilo approach is the easiest? |
| 06:29.12 | apfel | yggdrasil: no floppy drive |
| 06:29.16 | yggdrasil | ahh.... |
| 06:29.16 | amphi | karsten_: switching vt to/from X and back again doesn't revive it? |
| 06:29.25 | yggdrasil | grub usb stick ? |
| 06:29.31 | amphi | karsten_: ISTR something similar on my T22 |
| 06:29.33 | Nethox | karsten_: with those options or X DPMS config? |
| 06:29.34 | apfel | yggdrasil: no usb stick ;) |
| 06:29.34 | karsten_ | apfel: lilo's pretty straightforward. Lacks some flexibility of grub, but also its pitfalls. |
| 06:29.37 | yggdrasil | hehe |
| 06:29.38 | karsten_ | amphi: Nope. |
| 06:29.41 | wols | apfel: the force windows to boot linux one is the safest if you want to retain a bootable machine I guess |
| 06:29.56 | yggdrasil | iv done a ton of dual boot debans and grub has yet to mess up a box |
| 06:30.00 | karsten_ | amphi: Not that, not tset -a, not xset dpms force (on|off). Not rebooting. Not cold booting. Not warm booting. |
| 06:30.25 | karsten_ | yggdrasil: Had a problem last weekend with someone who'd swapped out HDs. |
| 06:30.35 | apfel | OK, I'll think about it and read necessary stuff in advance :) Thanks a lot! |
| 06:30.40 | karsten_ | yggdrasil: Did hdd => hda, grub got confused. |
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| 06:30.51 | yggdrasil | cant blame it |
| 06:31.14 | karsten_ | yggdrasil: LILO didn't. |
| 06:31.15 | yggdrasil | solution: switch them back edit it and then switch them back again |
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| 06:32.18 | yggdrasil | ive got an awesome windows pxe cd its got like a live windows, and like 5 linux boots runs off a cd its awesome for troubleshoooting and fixing mistakes |
| 06:32.58 | red | wols: what do I need to add to my /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 06:33.13 | yggdrasil | i would trust grub over lilo |
| 06:33.13 | wols | red: a deb-src line |
| 06:33.30 | karsten_ | yggdrasil: Build it yourself or get it somewhere? |
| 06:33.30 | yggdrasil | karsten areyou saying lilos didnt get confused ? |
| 06:33.49 | yggdrasil | karsten got it somwhere |
| 06:33.51 | yggdrasil | had it for years |
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| 06:34.29 | karsten_ | whoever mentioned radeontool: you mgith be right. |
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| 06:34.37 | yggdrasil | its truly a work of art i was searchign for an upgraded one the other day and no luck. |
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| 06:34.59 | karsten_ | yggdrasil: So it's a Windows PXE boot environment? Not Bart's PE, is it? |
| 06:35.07 | yggdrasil | yes i think so |
| 06:35.16 | yggdrasil | or somwhere along those lines |
| 06:35.27 | wols | yggdrasil: PXE means "boot over ethernet" |
| 06:35.45 | karsten_ | wols: Technically: pre-execution environment |
| 06:35.46 | Presently42 | Something keeps writing to the disk every second. How can I figure out what it is? |
| 06:35.49 | yggdrasil | sorry its 1 am here ;( |
| 06:35.53 | yggdrasil | im with wols |
| 06:36.06 | Presently42 | Top doesn't really say. that I can tell. |
| 06:36.08 | wols | Presently42: syslog? |
| 06:36.17 | red | wols: deb-src http://debian.hands.com/debian |
| 06:36.34 | red | wols: but no joy after apt-get update |
| 06:36.48 | wols | cause the line is very wrong |
| 06:36.50 | Nethox | Presently42: lsof and fuser should help |
| 06:36.50 | hacosta | is there a way to know when was a file created? |
| 06:36.53 | wols | what is your current deb line? |
| 06:37.04 | wols | hacosta: man ls. creation time |
| 06:37.15 | liable | Presently42: iirc, there was a neat little app in ibm-acpi that you could compile and run and it would tell ya. you might want to try mounting with noatime option too, and if its a laptop, check out laptop-mode-tools |
| 06:37.24 | hacosta | wols, i only find last modification time |
| 06:37.53 | wols | hacosta: ctime then |
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| 06:38.12 | ViperXL75 | test |
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| 06:38.19 | karsten_ | ViperXL75: Failed. |
| 06:38.35 | hacosta | ctime? |
| 06:38.39 | wols | hacosta: I was talking crap: http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/ctime_atime_mtime.html |
| 06:38.40 | ViperXL75 | lol.. just checking if this is not a m or *registered nick only* channel |
| 06:38.48 | wols | hacosta: answer: you can't |
| 06:39.04 | ViperXL75 | I just finished with my first debian installation. Trying to get an ssh server going |
| 06:39.17 | hacosta | wols just wanted a confirmation thanks |
| 06:39.18 | ViperXL75 | anyone has suggestions of server names? |
| 06:39.27 | Nethox | ViperXL75: openssh-server |
| 06:39.41 | ViperXL75 | openssh-server |
| 06:39.42 | wols | ViperXL75: ssh |
| 06:39.58 | ViperXL75 | so i go do "apt-get install openssh-server" right? |
| 06:40.01 | red | wols: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 06:40.04 | wols | ViperXL75: yes |
| 06:40.18 | Presently42 | wols, et al: syslog tells me only that dhclient is constantly running. Perhaps that is the culprit? |
| 06:40.30 | liable | no |
| 06:40.32 | wols | red: how did you install stuff? like your php4? cause that's only the security repo |
| 06:41.15 | Presently42 | It is also runnig for eth0. I'm using a laptop (indeed) with wifi; the ethernet isn't plugged in. |
| 06:41.16 | ViperXL75 | that's one... |
| 06:41.21 | wols | Presently42: "constantly running" ? what does it do? And I meant that syslog might be the process which is constantly writing |
| 06:41.42 | yggdrasil | painfull to watch a p166 with 32mb of ram install debian |
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| 06:41.49 | ViperXL75 | Second... Apache2 with PHP going... |
| 06:41.57 | ViperXL75 | apt-get install apache2 ??? |
| 06:41.59 | wols | !tell ViperXL75 about grounding |
| 06:42.44 | wols | !tell ViperXL75 about refcard |
| 06:43.04 | ViperXL75 | lol... ok... |
| 06:43.14 | Presently42 | wols: syslog running, eh? I'll look in to that. dhclient is constantly sending out "dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval [x]". Actually, it goes to sleep then wakes up every six minutes. |
| 06:43.29 | streuner_ | yggdrasil: try dos 5 ;-) |
| 06:43.48 | yggdrasil | uh no thanks |
| 06:43.54 | red | wol: sorry, and deb http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/debian stable main non-free contrib |
| 06:44.01 | wols | debian runs (and installs) fine on lower hardware than tat |
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| 06:44.19 | streuner_ | yggdrasil: or install more RAM, but you cannot expect wonder things with 32 MB nowadays... |
| 06:44.25 | wols | red: copy that line, replace "deb" with "deb-src" in the front |
| 06:44.33 | yggdrasil | streuner im trying to make it into a wireless ap |
| 06:44.37 | yggdrasil | trying.. |
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| 06:44.53 | yggdrasil | old laptop i found and my ap is dead .. broke fro 4 more weeks. |
| 06:45.01 | streuner_ | yggdrasil: hm, there are other distros which might be better for that... |
| 06:45.25 | liable | isnt sarges min 32M for install? |
| 06:45.32 | liable | its close if not |
| 06:45.48 | yggdrasil | welll.. only boots from a floppy ,no computers in the house with a floppy. so i sort of bootstrapped it. |
| 06:45.51 | yggdrasil | ittl work. |
| 06:45.53 | streuner_ | liable: it runs fine with 64 MB without X |
| 06:45.57 | yggdrasil | and its what i know. |
| 06:46.23 | karsten_ | liable: 32-64, and that's *very* minimal. |
| 06:46.35 | yggdrasil | its runnin. |
| 06:46.36 | red | wol: I get Unpack command 'dpkg-source -x php4_4.3.10-16.dsc' failed. |
| 06:46.58 | liable | streuner_: yes, but there is a minimum (for install) and iirc its close to if not 32 |
| 06:47.18 | streuner_ | liable: we are talking about *painless* install :-) |
| 06:47.25 | streuner_ | s/install/installs/ |
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| 06:48.03 | apfel | wols: I just replace grub with lilo on my actual system. that works. can I now boot with the potato CD and just execute 'lilo -C my_mounted_sarge_lilo.conf' with the lilo from the potato CD? |
| 06:48.13 | yggdrasil | well i can confirm i just ogt it to install on 32mb |
| 06:48.20 | Presently42 | Any ideas why dhclien is running so much? |
| 06:48.27 | apfel | apfel: ... in order to restore the MBR after the win installation |
| 06:48.47 | apfel | wols: ... in order to restore the MBR after the win installation |
| 06:49.02 | streuner_ | yggdrasil: get some add. 32 MB RAM |
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| 06:49.24 | streuner_ | yggdrasil: shouldn't be that expensive second hand |
| 06:49.25 | yggdrasil | haha |
| 06:49.25 | wols | apfel: imho |
| 06:49.28 | wols | apfel: imho no |
| 06:49.30 | yggdrasil | hmm.. |
| 06:49.34 | dan2 | karsten_: what happened to that beauty sleep? |
| 06:49.36 | yggdrasil | id rather save for anew router ;) |
| 06:49.50 | wols | apfel: your etch lilo and potato lilo are quite different versions |
| 06:49.56 | streuner_ | yeah, that's the better idea |
| 06:50.30 | wols | and you still cannot boot from CD and using the etch userland |
| 06:50.39 | streuner_ | yggdrasil: you'll get x86 boxes second hand very cheap |
| 06:50.39 | yggdrasil | this should get me thru my rough time here.. i was amazed at .. how i used to doo it before wireless.. |
| 06:50.56 | yggdrasil | streuner.. prob was that i only had a pcmcia wireless adapter |
| 06:51.03 | apfel | wols: but if I just use the basic commands like boot=... root=... image=...? |
| 06:51.13 | yggdrasil | and that was one of the more expensive parts.. |
| 06:51.48 | apfel | wols: what exactly do you mean with using the etch userland? booting with rescue=...? |
| 06:51.49 | wols | apfel: you already did that with the rescue mode |
| 06:52.20 | streuner_ | yggdrasil: main issue is the kernel itself |
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| 06:52.30 | wols | apfel: install your bootloader in /dev/hdaX (and not the MBR) |
| 06:52.57 | wols | then get a copy of that sector with dd. and read up on boot.ini from windows to allow windows bootmanager to boot linux |
| 06:53.03 | streuner_ | yggdrasil: best thing would be if those drivers would be in 2.2.x kernels, but i doubt that :-) |
| 06:53.04 | wols | at least as a backup |
| 06:53.12 | apfel | wols: ok |
| 06:53.38 | yggdrasil | atheros and orinoco chipset is well supported. |
| 06:53.43 | yggdrasil | it will work fine. |
| 06:53.55 | yggdrasil | well should .. hahah |
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| 06:54.19 | yggdrasil | theoreticly |
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| 06:54.46 | yggdrasil | and then ill have atricked out ap ;) |
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| 06:58.11 | karsten_ | Weird. Backlight just recovered. |
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| 06:58.43 | ma3x | when I try to uninstall apache, why is it god damn trying to stop it first when it is not running |
| 06:58.47 | ma3x | so I can't fscking remove it |
| 06:59.36 | emp__ | is accepting udp port 53 sufficient to allow a name server to work? |
| 06:59.56 | karsten_ | ma3x: Because that's in the prerm script. |
| 07:00.01 | streuner_ | ma3x: its hard for the system to remove a service when the packages aren't installed ;-) |
| 07:00.08 | karsten_ | emp__: necessary, not sufficient. |
| 07:00.22 | karsten_ | emp__: But should get past most possible firewall issues. |
| 07:00.38 | Dewi | if I build an app from source, is there some way I can do the "make install" step without the uncertainty of what this will do to my system? |
| 07:00.52 | streuner_ | ma3x: show us the error (message) in paster bot |
| 07:00.53 | ma3x | streuner_, so what the hell should I do now? |
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| 07:00.57 | Dewi | I don't really want to do anything I can't roll back |
| 07:00.58 | ma3x | well there was some stupid error |
| 07:01.02 | ma3x | and I removed /etc/apache2 |
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| 07:01.09 | karsten_ | dan2: what beauty sleep? |
| 07:01.14 | ma3x | so now you can imagine the other error |
| 07:01.22 | dan2 | karsten_: you don't = karstensrage? |
| 07:01.28 | karsten_ | dan2: Nope. |
| 07:01.35 | dan2 | wgot me |
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| 07:03.02 | karsten_ | y'know, I'd like to say iBooks aren't bad, so long as they're running Linux ... |
| 07:03.25 | karsten_ | ... but the !@#$%^&*() keyboard, !@#$%^&*() trackpad, and !@#$%^&*() *SINGLE* mouse button are driving me apeshit. |
| 07:04.06 | yggdrasil | id love to have a mac so i could pu linux on it |
| 07:04.10 | liable | the nipple is prolly the main reason i like stinkpads |
| 07:04.27 | karsten_ | Any ideas why acpi and wmbattery would have different opinions about battery charge state? 96% and 85% respectively. |
| 07:04.33 | karsten_ | liable: "clit", thanks ;-) |
| 07:04.48 | karsten_ | yggdrasil: I'd offer you mine but it's not. |
| 07:05.01 | liable | karsten_: many names and comparisons to females for something initially hard to master :) |
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| 07:05.04 | yggdrasil | uh ok. |
| 07:05.29 | karsten_ | liable: but wonderfully responsive for those with fine motor control. |
| 07:05.36 | liable | indeed :) |
| 07:06.10 | ma3x | how do I remove apache2? |
| 07:06.48 | liable | ma3x: you have frequented this chanell for well over six months, and you still dont know how to use apt? |
| 07:07.05 | apfel | One more question: Can lilo only work up to a specific kernel version or does it not matter what version the kernel is and it just puts "the right things in the right place"? |
| 07:07.05 | streuner_ | sure :-) |
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| 07:07.34 | streuner_ | liable: the question should be rather "How can i remove the entry in db".. |
| 07:07.56 | liable | apfel: lilo can use all of em. from the oldest to the newest, but it requires you to edit its conf manually |
| 07:08.22 | liable | streuner_: i have no idea what he really means, so i assumed the worse :P |
| 07:08.50 | ma3x | liable, it's not able to remove it |
| 07:09.02 | apfel | liable: what do you need to edit? |
| 07:09.16 | streuner_ | well, he want remove apache2 entry and his debian packagement system is fucked now |
| 07:09.19 | Dewi | How do I do a build from source without trusting the evil magic of "make install"? |
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| 07:09.29 | Dewi | (or using a source package) |
| 07:09.30 | liable | ma3x: so mention that, and the reason why.. or better yet, paste the errors |
| 07:09.48 | streuner_ | he can't |
| 07:09.59 | liable | Dewi: you can manually copy stuff if you are really keen i guess |
| 07:10.28 | Dewi | liable: I don't know what to manually copy |
| 07:10.28 | ma3x | liable, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3911 |
| 07:10.28 | cydork | Dewi: take a look at stow |
| 07:10.28 | liable | Dewi: the stuff that make made :) |
| 07:10.38 | Dewi | liable: do people really just trust 'make install', which was probably rigged up for SUSE or RH... ? |
| 07:10.39 | aeroSoul | you can use "checkinstall" in the root dir of the source... if it has a configure script |
| 07:10.52 | Dewi | liable: make made a lot of stuff, and it's all mixed in with the source |
| 07:10.53 | aeroSoul | it will make install but you will be able to uninstall the package |
| 07:10.58 | Dewi | liable: and the intermediate files |
| 07:10.59 | valdyn | Dewi: you can use checkinstall |
| 07:11.06 | liable | Dewi: most sane make files will put stuff in /usr/local |
| 07:11.14 | Dewi | liable: this is php |
| 07:11.18 | Dewi | :) |
| 07:11.18 | liable | Dewi: and its usually a compile time option also |
| 07:11.26 | cydork | Dewi: /msg dpkg stow |
| 07:11.32 | streuner_ | ma3x: so what stops you to make those entries? |
| 07:11.39 | ma3x | streuner_, what entries? |
| 07:11.51 | liable | ma3x: did you delete that file? |
| 07:11.53 | ma3x | yes |
| 07:12.02 | streuner_ | ma3x: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 07:12.11 | ma3x | I rm -rf /etc/apache2 |
| 07:12.11 | liable | ma3x: tsk tsk, you havent learnt that trick yet? |
| 07:12.21 | ma3x | liable, no what is it? |
| 07:12.31 | liable | ma3x: touch /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 07:13.04 | liable | ma3x: the trick is *dont* delete conf files. dpkg knows when you have been bad and subsequently punishes you :P |
| 07:13.18 | streuner_ | ma3x: there is a "dirty" hack too :-) |
| 07:13.46 | streuner_ | ma3x: mv all *apache2* entries of /var/lib/dpkg/info to /tmp |
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| 07:13.49 | liable | !confmiss |
| 07:13.50 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 07:14.14 | liable | ma3x: either touch the file and remove, or reinstall with --confmiss and remove |
| 07:14.58 | ma3x | did it with touch |
| 07:15.21 | liable | ma3x: write this little perl of wisdom down "no matter how much i have fucked the conf file, i will not rm it" |
| 07:15.49 | liable | s/perl/pearl/ |
| 07:15.55 | liable | hehe |
| 07:16.06 | liable | i am indeed becoming a geek.. |
| 07:16.18 | Dewi | liable: basically all I want to do is copy the PHP I just built from '~/packages/php' to '/opt/php' |
| 07:16.30 | Dewi | liable: but with source and intermediates and final files all mixed in together this seems very nasty |
| 07:16.57 | ma3x | liable, if you fucked up the .conf, it's easier to delete it |
| 07:16.58 | Dewi | but I am 90% sure 'make install' with break stuff because there are a couple of PHP instances on here already |
| 07:17.14 | liable | Dewi: installing into opt should be a compile option, make --prefix=/opt/foo |
| 07:17.35 | liable | ma3x: so why are you asking here about such an easy thing :P |
| 07:17.36 | Dewi | liable: yep, but 'make install' looks like it does stuff to /usr and /etc |
| 07:17.43 | Dewi | liable: which doesn't please me |
| 07:18.12 | liable | Dewi: looks or does? does it cp to it or not? |
| 07:18.17 | Dewi | is there some relatively easy way to get 'make install' running in some kind of chroot jail? |
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| 07:18.32 | liable | Dewi: try 'checkinstall' |
| 07:18.39 | Dewi | liable: it really looks like it does. I'm no shell script expert |
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| 07:18.47 | ma3x | liable, just to test your skills |
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| 07:19.13 | liable | ma3x: my 5k177z are l337 and need not to be tested! |
| 07:19.29 | ma3x | muahaha, f1n3 |
| 07:19.40 | liable | ma3x: yours however, 'suketh ass' :P |
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| 07:20.24 | reilithion | Hello everyone. |
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| 07:21.17 | aeroSoul | Dewi: it's probably a good idea to use the tool checkinstall to create a debian package from the compiled stuff... so you can uninstall it again... it also accepts --prefix option i think |
| 07:21.21 | Dewi | liable: make -n seems to still *do* things |
| 07:21.29 | Dewi | liable: I am getting "cannot create directory" errors from it |
| 07:21.36 | ma3x | liable, i'll crack ur azz |
| 07:21.42 | liable | Dewi: paste it (out of interest) |
| 07:21.46 | liable | ma3x: heh |
| 07:22.32 | Dewi | liable: http://pastebin.ca/189585 |
| 07:23.06 | Dewi | liable: I should at this point be honest; that is fedora core make |
| 07:23.18 | liable | Dewi: even /opt is owned by root, you need sudo |
| 07:23.26 | Dewi | liable: but my question does equally apply to the debian systems I run |
| 07:23.52 | Dewi | liable: the point is make -n isn't supposed to do anything but echo what it *would* do |
| 07:24.11 | Dewi | "-n Print the commands that would be executed, but do not execute them. |
| 07:24.12 | Dewi | " |
| 07:24.13 | jzu_ | Anyone into bash scripts? |
| 07:24.21 | jzu_ | I need little help with my bofh script, haha. |
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| 07:24.35 | liable | Dewi: and it *would* make in /opt, but it cant, because it doesnt have perms, anyway, it clearly says it wants to get jiggy with opt |
| 07:24.47 | karsten | !tell jzu_ about ask |
| 07:25.06 | jzu_ | http://low.fi/~jussi/bar |
| 07:25.18 | jzu_ | how that would work, that if user answer n it deletes all files |
| 07:25.29 | jzu_ | but if he answers y it wouldnt do anything |
| 07:25.49 | jzu_ | I'm going to replace lusers .bashrc with that script |
| 07:25.54 | cydork | jzu_: /msg dpkg abs-guide |
| 07:26.03 | jzu_ | now it just does rm -rf * no matter what the answer is |
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| 07:26.41 | NaufraGo | how can I read a pendrive? |
| 07:26.50 | Dewi | liable: if I can't trust it to echo commands without running them, why would I ever trust make to install an app on my system? |
| 07:26.54 | karsten | jzu_: if [ $x = n ]; then |
| 07:26.57 | NaufraGo | from usb device |
| 07:27.14 | jzu_ | karsten: ah, thanks :) |
| 07:27.24 | karsten | jzu_: better: case $x in / [Nn]*) tput clear; rm -rf *;; / esac |
| 07:27.42 | karsten | jzu_: You're executing the command "x=n", which should fail. |
| 07:27.46 | tralala | NaufraGo: plug it in, see the drive name it gets in the output of dmesg, mount it, use it, unmount it, plug it out. |
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| 07:28.10 | karsten | jzu_: ... No. You're *assigning* "x=n". Which succeeds. |
| 07:28.12 | liable | Dewi: make -n runs through the commands without actually copying, so, if it sees that the dir isnt writable, then it will fail. make -n doesnt say that you can defy the unix law of permissions |
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| 07:28.31 | karsten | jzu_: Of course, since that's the value you're testing, you wouldn't see this by say: echo $x. |
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| 07:28.49 | karsten | jzu_: However if you changed your original test to "if x=z", you'd find that $x = z afterwards. |
| 07:28.55 | stumbles | hi i'm having trouble writing a regexp to match the text between two words over multiple lines. I'm trying this: firstword\(.\|\n\)*secondword |
| 07:29.02 | liable | Dewi: and seeing as checking perms is a condition in the make file, then you lose :) |
| 07:29.03 | Dewi | liable: if it's not actually copying why is it making directories? why is there any test against unix perms, when I asked it to do nothing but echo? |
| 07:29.10 | liable | see above |
| 07:29.41 | liable | Dewi: make files will check before doing, to save doing without being able to making |
| 07:29.58 | liable | if that makes sense :) |
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| 07:30.07 | Dewi | hehe |
| 07:31.14 | liable | Dewi: most scripts will check that sort of thing very early in the piece, for whatever condition |
| 07:31.22 | red | wols: is there a way of unpacking a .deb file? |
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| 07:31.33 | liable | and fail if those simple conditions arent met |
| 07:31.46 | tralala | red: yes, man deb |
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| 07:32.02 | red | tralala: cheers |
| 07:32.08 | liable | or man dpkg, or man ar :) |
| 07:32.08 | Dewi | liable: okay... I guess that kind of makes sense. I wish the docs would point that out though if that is going to happen |
| 07:32.25 | liable | Dewi: run it with sudo and see what it says |
| 07:33.09 | ma3x | hey , why does querybts start with ncurses interface when I run it with normal user, instead of using the root normal interface? |
| 07:33.14 | wols | red: I use alien to make it into a .tar.gz. but why would you unpack it? |
| 07:33.26 | tuv | stumbles, you might get more lucky in #regex |
| 07:33.53 | tuv | stumbles, sorry i can't help you, although i'm interested in the answer to your question |
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| 07:35.09 | liable | err, greycat |
| 07:35.22 | EdLin | liable: what happened? |
| 07:35.34 | liable | EdLin: politics of course :) |
| 07:35.43 | liable | EdLin: /msg dpkg fable |
| 07:36.11 | wols | liable: when where why who? |
| 07:37.02 | liable | wols: what do you mean? |
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| 07:38.05 | wols | when did those politics happen, where did those politics happen, why did those politics happen, and who made those politics happen? |
| 07:38.07 | `ns` | !iceweasel |
| 07:38.07 | dpkg | i guess iceweasel is due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. iceweasel is a likely candidate: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/, or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 |
| 07:38.13 | liable | wols: simple answer to what i think you are asking, is that quite a few prominant and very skilled #debian helpers have left due to channel politics |
| 07:38.27 | wols | place to read up on it? |
| 07:38.48 | liable | wols: the fable is a good read, other than that, there isnt one.. |
| 07:38.53 | wols | :/ |
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| 07:39.34 | red | wols: I just want to get at the `configure` bit |
| 07:39.39 | red | wols: alien is a good idea. |
| 07:39.48 | wols | roxy_: no it is not |
| 07:39.49 | liable | wols: that being said, #debian is a much more tolerant place than it was, but, at a price |
| 07:40.14 | wols | red: man apt-get. especially the part about "source" |
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| 07:40.48 | wols | red: for what you want to do, alien is a shitty idea, very shitty |
| 07:40.50 | red | wols: I've had it. Just no luck with deb-src repository that will give me php4-cli |
| 07:41.00 | red | s/had/read/ |
| 07:41.17 | wols | then you did something wrong |
| 07:41.24 | wols | and making more errors won't fix that |
| 07:42.22 | wols | red: getting the source from the deb-src is the ONLY waqy to do it |
| 07:43.04 | liable | EdLin: if you invoke ops, you might notice the :(, which i believe was greycats nick (though i dunno who did it, or whether it really is, but it occured about the time he left) |
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| 07:43.51 | gallus | hi boys |
| 07:43.59 | liable | and girls |
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| 07:44.24 | liable | not that i am, but i am sure theres at least 2 amongst us :) |
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| 07:44.44 | gallus | this moorning I have updated my sid and apache has been removed may you remember me how to bring my system back to previous version? |
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| 07:46.09 | MZM | Hi, I have problem with gpg key: ?: subkeys.pgp.net: Connection refused |
| 07:46.11 | wols | liable. cydork: silenzio on the peanut gallery |
| 07:46.23 | wols | gallus: have you tried apt-get install apache? |
| 07:46.36 | liable | MZM: sounds like you have a wrong address |
| 07:46.42 | gallus | wols: Of course but I get an error |
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| 07:46.57 | Guerin | gallus: sid is errors |
| 07:47.08 | gallus | wols: Can I paste it in flood? |
| 07:47.27 | MZM | liable: copy/paste from /mdg dpkg 2006 key |
| 07:47.27 | wols | you can. maybe someone will even see it. I won't |
| 07:47.30 | gallus | Guerin: what you mean... is it a joke |
| 07:47.38 | wols | gallus: no. you running sid is |
| 07:47.39 | MZM | s/mdg/msg |
| 07:47.49 | liable | MZM: paste the entire output somehwre |
| 07:47.52 | Guerin | gallus: wols speaks wisdom |
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| 07:48.04 | liable | wow, slightly dyslexic tonight |
| 07:48.19 | gallus | Guerin: How can I bring back my configuration? |
| 07:48.23 | liable | and i seem to be missing a key here or there |
| 07:48.30 | gallus | Guerin: I don't remember how to do it |
| 07:48.33 | Guerin | gallus: restore your backup |
| 07:48.51 | wols | cydork: I _am_ not wise. I just blabber something I heard somewhere that _sounds_ wise. big difference |
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| 07:49.00 | gallus | Guerin: that's not what I mean :) |
| 07:49.36 | gallus | the problem is concerning with netbase and openbsd-inetd |
| 07:49.43 | wols | gallus: your configuration is still there. look in /etc. you will see it |
| 07:49.50 | cydork | wols: heh. no that is though is wise. no matter how you know it :) |
| 07:50.00 | cydork | s/though/thought/ |
| 07:50.10 | wols | !tell gallus about smart questions |
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| 07:50.41 | wols | gallus: basically you're very good at wasting our time and yours. but very bad at asking a smart question. you need to remedy this if you want help successfully |
| 07:50.44 | liable | gallus: i will make the point that we are not really supposed to do these days. *dont* *run* *sid* *and* *especially* *a* *webserver* *if* *you* *have* *no* *clue* |
| 07:50.55 | gallus | wols: I mean: I did an apt-get udpate is it possible to "downgrade"? |
| 07:51.05 | wols | no it is NOT |
| 07:51.23 | wols | and an apt-get update does NOTHING to your "configuration" |
| 07:51.38 | MZM | liable: gpg key problem: http://pastebin.com/799189 |
| 07:51.43 | gallus | liable: ok |
| 07:51.51 | gallus | liable: but i did |
| 07:51.51 | liable | gallus: really, without being an asshole, running sid, and then using it to run apache is quite a bad idea |
| 07:51.56 | wols | you're still not capable of telling us the error properly. you're not capable of tell us properly what you want to do, you're basically totally incapable of anything |
| 07:53.01 | wols | so read that url dpkg gave you and think again what to ask and what information to give out |
| 07:53.05 | liable | gallus: you best bet, is to back up your data and conf files, and install stable. etch will be released very soon, with most of the new stuff people are needing nowadays |
| 07:53.38 | gallus | wols: the problem is that if I try to reinstall apache I get an error with update-inetd |
| 07:54.15 | cydork | gallus: paste it on paster |
| 07:54.18 | cydork | !paster |
| 07:54.18 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 07:54.21 | liable | eww, you are running it from inetd too? |
| 07:54.49 | liable | MZM: waiting for pastebin.. (the site is slooow) |
| 07:54.49 | wols | liable: if you do it badly, do it badly the right way, you know? |
| 07:55.00 | gallus | wols: why are you offending me |
| 07:55.04 | MZM | yeah, it is. |
| 07:55.05 | liable | wols: heh, hes on a roll! |
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| 07:55.51 | wols | gallus: cause you have no reason to run sid and you have not the requisite knowledge or experience and you are not even capable of asking for help properly or doing what you've been told. any more questions? |
| 07:56.38 | liable | MZM: try again, i can ping it |
| 07:56.54 | MZM | liable: same for any pgp server |
| 07:56.59 | gallus | wols: but I did not offend you |
| 07:57.02 | liable | wtf is with pastebin, it keeps redirecting me.. |
| 07:57.24 | gallus | cydork: I paste in flood |
| 07:57.32 | liable | MZM: then you have a firewall problem |
| 07:57.51 | wols | MZM: can you ping the site or resolve it from your end? |
| 07:57.59 | kintaro0e | hi guys..need advice..i have a mail server: mail01 went down..and i up another one: mail02...how can i sync the mails of mail01 and mail02 if mail02 has mails for the users? |
| 07:58.00 | gallus | wols: You don't know anything of me so I think you should not offend me as I don't offend you |
| 07:58.07 | cydork | gallus: why not that site which dpkg said? |
| 07:58.19 | wols | I do know quite a lot about you and sid |
| 07:58.25 | MZM | ping and resolve (dig) OK |
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| 07:58.43 | gallus | !paster |
| 07:58.43 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 07:58.55 | liable | gallus: we arent really trying to be offensive, but its hard to get the point across where people will listen, that running sid is silly if you cant deal with the issues, and even sillier for a server. |
| 07:59.10 | MZM | how gpg works - I mean - how to find is this mine firewall or ISP to blame? |
| 07:59.12 | gallus | cydork: ok I paste there |
| 07:59.27 | tralala | gallus: just ignore whoever is offending you and get back on-topic, please |
| 07:59.28 | gallus | gallus: I don't think so |
| 07:59.45 | gallus | tralala: I agree with you |
| 07:59.58 | cydork | gallus: give us the link :| |
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| 08:00.16 | tralala | and... uhm... stop talking to yourself ;) |
| 08:00.17 | gallus | cydork: I'm doing :) |
| 08:00.42 | wols | gallus: even if you DO manage to help you with this problem, you WILL have another simple one you can't solve on your own at all in another two weeks or whatever. |
| 08:00.54 | liable | exactly |
| 08:00.56 | wols | *we do |
| 08:01.01 | cydork | gallus: they are not offending you. they are just giving a practical advice. Dont run sid unless you know how to solve things. |
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| 08:01.26 | gallus | cydork: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3912 |
| 08:01.30 | wols | gallus: and liable gave you very smart advice to run stable or maybe even testing |
| 08:01.30 | cydork | !qotd199 |
| 08:01.31 | dpkg | i guess qotd199 is Dabian: This is a support channel - not a help channel - which means we try to humiliate the users by exposing their lack of knowledge and netiqette, in a way subtle enough to not add to their knowledge. :-) |
| 08:01.43 | gallus | cydork: I'm not refering to that thing |
| 08:01.47 | liable | wols: just dont help, you are banging your head, and it wont matter. he will do it anyway |
| 08:02.13 | wols | cydork: this is clearly you area here :) |
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| 08:02.27 | gallus | cydork: have you see? |
| 08:02.34 | liable | MZM: i cant think of why it doesnt work for you :/ |
| 08:02.37 | cydork | gallus: which language is that? :P |
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| 08:03.02 | gallus | cydork: italian :) |
| 08:03.10 | wols | cydork: you should know :P |
| 08:03.17 | NaufraGo | what application do you recommend for downloading musics, videos, etc. ? |
| 08:03.23 | MZM | liable: looks like some lame ISP conf - I enabled all traffic in iptables ans still no result... |
| 08:03.26 | wols | NaufraGo: wget |
| 08:03.30 | cydork | NaufraGo: wget |
| 08:03.31 | cydork | bah |
| 08:03.41 | gallus | cydork: if you want I can traslate it |
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| 08:03.46 | liable | MZM: connection refused is usually firewall related |
| 08:03.48 | NaufraGo | is graphic? |
| 08:04.06 | Nethox | It has a nice progress bar :D |
| 08:04.10 | wols | NaufraGo: if you want it graphically, use firefox/iceweasel |
| 08:04.10 | NaufraGo | or text mode? |
| 08:04.14 | liable | MZM: either from them or you, it basically means no packets are getting through |
| 08:04.27 | MZM | liable: but which port gpg uses? |
| 08:04.27 | wols | ...the more I hear that name, the more I like it. I think I rename all my copies to it |
| 08:04.34 | NaufraGo | I want something like amule, how is it? |
| 08:04.39 | liable | MZM: i dont know to tell the truth |
| 08:04.41 | wols | MZM: I _think_ 80, but not totally sure |
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| 08:04.57 | wols | NaufraGo: copyright violations are in a channel next door |
| 08:05.16 | NaufraGo | what do you mean? |
| 08:05.51 | wols | Bushmills: you start out with testing |
| 08:05.57 | MZM | liable: tnx for help anyway |
| 08:06.07 | cydork | NaufraGo: amule is not a downloader. it's p2p :P |
| 08:06.11 | wols | or get a backport here and there or a outside repository. That will bring problems, trust me :) |
| 08:06.28 | NaufraGo | you mean, files sharing? |
| 08:07.06 | wols | tralala: shiny new things :) |
| 08:07.18 | tralala | s/shiny/broken/ |
| 08:07.22 | NaufraGo | don't you? |
| 08:07.24 | cydork | tralala: i used to use sid. but i knew how to fix things :P |
| 08:07.33 | cydork | NaufraGo: yes i do |
| 08:07.37 | wols | it's the "newest" than kids can't resist that. And then they come crying when it breaks |
| 08:07.40 | wols | see gallus |
| 08:07.41 | Bushmills | tralala: staying ahead of exploits? those are often not based on versions which are on the move |
| 08:07.55 | wols | Bushmills: this is wrong |
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| 08:08.16 | NaufraGo | what do you think is better? p2p or downloaders like wget? |
| 08:08.40 | wols | !better |
| 08:08.40 | dpkg | [better] a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 08:08.42 | tralala | cydork: me too. I couldn't be bothered to even try to fix things though so after a few small annoyances I switched to sarge. The question is where's the benefit of using sid given how broken it really is? |
| 08:08.42 | cydork | NaufraGo: they both are fcuking different things |
| 08:09.19 | cydork | tralala: i used to get kicks out using sid, but now days i use testing :P |
| 08:09.19 | gallus | cydork: did you have a look? |
| 08:09.24 | karsten | tralala: If you like really current stuff, sid. If you prefer working stuff, sarge. Splitting the difference a bit: testing. |
| 08:09.35 | wols | tralala: I can't stand the outdatedness of stable after a while. testing is usually a happy middleground for me |
| 08:09.55 | karsten | tralala: There's also Ubuntu, which though I use it periodically, doesn't quite float my boat. |
| 08:10.01 | tralala | Bushmills: private exploits (the most dangerous kind) usually hit bugs that are carried over from old to new versions of the software so running sid doesn't help at all |
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| 08:10.14 | NaufraGo | alright, so.. what pdp app. do you recommend? |
| 08:10.21 | karsten | NaufraGo: pdb? |
| 08:10.33 | wols | karsten: pdP. |
| 08:10.45 | wols | I dunno, both pdp10 and pdp11 have their charms, don't you think? |
| 08:10.56 | NaufraGo | p2p, sorry |
| 08:11.02 | karsten | wols: I've always been partial to the 7. |
| 08:11.04 | tralala | wols: I use backports in the few areas that matter to me (and I'm speaking about home multimedia pc) and I'm fine with it. |
| 08:11.09 | karsten | NaufraGo: Too late. It's pdp. |
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| 08:11.19 | wols | karsten: wow you're outdated |
| 08:11.33 | karsten | wols: I'm *un*dated. |
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| 08:11.36 | NaufraGo | what're you talking about, pdp is a p2p app? |
| 08:11.38 | karsten | wols: ... and therein lies the problem. |
| 08:11.40 | wols | tralala: I had bad experiences with backport. I rather use testing instead |
| 08:11.50 | karsten | NaufraGo: Yes, in fact, the original. |
| 08:11.55 | tralala | karsten: you mean if you like current stuff and you don't mind it not working, perhaps? |
| 08:12.00 | karsten | NaufraGo: A uniplexing peer-to-peer solution. |
| 08:12.29 | wols | NaufraGo: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Pdp-11-40.jpg/180px-Pdp-11-40.jpg is a very cool PDP |
| 08:12.32 | wols | and a big one too |
| 08:12.33 | karsten | tralala: I've had *very* few problems with significant breakage in testing since 2000/2001, when I started using it. |
| 08:13.02 | NaufraGo | mm, what do you think about amule? |
| 08:13.13 | gallus | cydork: Have you look my error message? |
| 08:13.18 | tralala | wols: again I just need a few things out of there. A kernel with the realted packages pretty much covers it. |
| 08:13.26 | karsten | NaufraGo: Stubborn bastards with a mean kick |
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| 08:13.39 | wols | tralala: last backport I used was postfix2. since then I stay away from them usually :) |
| 08:13.51 | karsten | wols: http://artematrix.org/archive/computer/restoration.simulation.htm |
| 08:13.54 | tralala | karsten: like the X being broken during the transition to x.org? How about python stuff now that python is in transition as well? |
| 08:13.57 | wols | and kernels I prefer vanilla with kernel-package, no matter what branch I run :) |
| 08:14.04 | cydork | gallus: yes check bpo if there is anything regarding netbase |
| 08:14.05 | karsten | tralala: In testing? Not. |
| 08:14.20 | karsten | tralala: Mind, I *don't* run unstable. |
| 08:14.49 | cydork | s/bpo/bts/ :P |
| 08:14.51 | karsten | tralala: I'll grant you that GNOME is pretty fucking unusable on anything but stable or Ubuntu. I really don't consider that to be Debian's fault. Tangled deps, poor design. |
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| 08:15.00 | wols | cydork: I don't really understand italian, but isn't there something about apt-get -f install in there heshould run? |
| 08:15.05 | NaufraGo | my gosh... I just want to download or just have music, I'm just telling you which is the b est way and the best application for that, do you see? |
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| 08:15.14 | karsten | tralala: ... GNOME requires a very stable package configuration to work properly. |
| 08:15.16 | wols | !best |
| 08:15.16 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 08:15.17 | NaufraGo | I mean, asking you... |
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| 08:15.36 | cydork | wols: i assumed he tried that |
| 08:15.46 | wols | cydork: náive optimist |
| 08:15.50 | karsten | NaufraGo: gnutella, several podcasting clients. I don't mess with that stuff much though. |
| 08:15.56 | cydork | wols: :P |
| 08:16.08 | karsten | wols: optimistic naif |
| 08:16.12 | NaufraGo | incredible, do I have to explain every simple word I use, like 'best', 'works' etc. |
| 08:16.35 | karsten | NaufraGo: Hate to break it to you but some of us are being a bit loose on our grasp of serious discourse. |
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| 08:16.43 | tralala | NaufraGo: alternatively you might want to boost your asking skills a bit |
| 08:16.56 | karsten | NaufraGo: And "best" _is_ pretty subjective. /msg dpkg popcon for popularity. |
| 08:17.22 | tralala | karsten: I don't really care about gnome. The only user it has is my 3-year old dauther |
| 08:17.23 | Guerin | !opinions |
| 08:17.23 | dpkg | opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one, they all stink, and it's really not polite to air yours in public, or be prepared to defend yours if you do show it in #debian. Your opinion, not your asshole. Well, maybe both. |
| 08:17.23 | Bushmills | NaufraGo: best way is cat *.wav > /dev/audio |
| 08:17.40 | NaufraGo | alright, alright |
| 08:17.44 | cydork | Bushmills: he wants to download :P |
| 08:17.52 | Guerin | i recommend wget |
| 08:17.53 | Bushmills | best, because no need to install anything extra |
| 08:18.10 | karsten | tralala: Just mentioning as one of the things that typically *is* really borken on sid. |
| 08:18.20 | cydork | Guerin: we said that long time back :) |
| 08:18.28 | Guerin | cydork: i thought it bore repeating |
| 08:18.37 | NaufraGo | thanks everyone |
| 08:18.44 | karsten | NaufraGo: Pleasure's ours. |
| 08:19.04 | craigevil | kasrten whats borked in sid? only thing i know of is apt and OO |
| 08:19.04 | tralala | wols: the only thing I had broken from backports was firefox 1.5 a couple of weeks ago. |
| 08:19.17 | tralala | !customer |
| 08:19.17 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 08:19.19 | karsten | craigevil: Wait for the next Gnome upgrade. |
| 08:19.37 | craigevil | ah wouldnt know about Gnome I use KDE and icewm |
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| 08:19.46 | wols | ffox and debian is another story altogether. ffox and the release model of debian (or linux distros in general) just don't seem to mix very well for m |
| 08:19.49 | wols | me |
| 08:20.25 | craigevil | speaking of firefox anyone know whne iceweasel is going to be released? |
| 08:20.25 | wols | could also be cause it's such an awful big mass of code in one place |
| 08:20.38 | tralala | karsten: I was running testing on my laptop - just for testing you know and I was having plenty of minor annoyances over the last year or so. Things like libpng or something not working which was making links -g crash, etc. |
| 08:20.41 | craigevil | gnu.org has a info page but the download link is broken |
| 08:20.44 | wols | cydork: I think everyone does |
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| 08:20.55 | wols | it's just too cool |
| 08:21.04 | karsten | tralala: ha'n't seen taht one. |
| 08:21.17 | karsten | craigevil: iceweasels aren't released. |
| 08:21.20 | karsten | craigevil: ... they escape. |
| 08:21.27 | reilithion | lol |
| 08:21.28 | cydork | wols: :) |
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| 08:21.39 | karsten | craigevil: ... with fearsome consequences. |
| 08:21.55 | craigevil | why are they changing the name of Seamonkey? isnt it open source now |
| 08:22.14 | karsten | craigevil: AFAIK they aren't. iceweasel == firefox |
| 08:22.22 | karsten | craigevil: ... or != as it were |
| 08:22.49 | karsten | craigevil: Issue is trademarks (the FF logo and name), and usage as dictated by The Mozilla Foundation. |
| 08:22.54 | craigevil | Gnuzilla is the GNU version of the Mozilla suite, and IceWeasel is the GNU version of the Firefox browser. |
| 08:22.56 | cydork | seamonkey is mozilla suite right? then it's Gnuzilla now |
| 08:23.03 | craigevil | yeah i know about firefox |
| 08:23.26 | craigevil | http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ |
| 08:23.27 | karsten | cydork: News to me. |
| 08:24.04 | cydork | karsten: nm me. i still haven't had coffee :) |
| 08:24.34 | karsten | cydork: You're right though WRT gnuzilla, per link. |
| 08:25.18 | Guerin | gnuzilla isn't on the gnu.org ftp |
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| 08:25.31 | Guerin | so I rather wondrr if it's yet another dead savannah project |
| 08:25.32 | karsten | Guerin: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ |
| 08:25.37 | cydork | Guerin: http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnuzilla/ |
| 08:25.43 | gallus | !paster |
| 08:25.43 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 08:25.44 | craigevil | No but there is a readme on how to compile it> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org/fulltree/iceweasel-1.5.0.7-g1/README.ICEWEASEL |
| 08:26.12 | Guerin | karsten: follow the link to the ftp://gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla |
| 08:26.31 | craigevil | the ftp link goves an error |
| 08:26.35 | craigevil | gives* |
| 08:26.40 | Guerin | http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/ # 404 |
| 08:26.55 | karsten | ftp via lftp: connecting... |
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| 08:27.16 | Guerin | karsten: the second link is the one on the page |
| 08:27.39 | karsten | Guerin: Tell you what, I'll believe you for now |
| 08:27.47 | Guerin | tis TROO |
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| 08:33.17 | _linuxAS_ | morning |
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| 08:34.35 | karsten | _linuxAS_: Speak for yourself. |
| 08:34.39 | reilithion | lol |
| 08:35.12 | reilithion | Hey, any bored C++ programmers here (any experience level) interested in maybe joining a project of mine? |
| 08:36.48 | DaBlade | reilithion: If you're willing to teach me C++ :) |
| 08:37.07 | DaBlade | (My experience level is 0) |
| 08:37.47 | reilithion | DaBlade: Interesting. Any programming experience at all? |
| 08:38.00 | DaBlade | reilithion: I tried learning Python once, but got bored. |
| 08:38.06 | DaBlade | Aside from basic HTML, no. |
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| 08:38.25 | suppaman | hello |
| 08:38.36 | DaBlade | Well.. I rewrote a couple SuperKaramba applets, and some very basic shell scripts, but that I guess doesn't count. |
| 08:38.44 | igraltist | reilithion, what will you doing? |
| 08:38.46 | suppaman | where should wifi key be stored ? |
| 08:38.49 | cydork | DaBlade: how dare you? HTML is not programming :P |
| 08:39.03 | DaBlade | cydork: :( |
| 08:39.09 | reilithion | DaBlade: I was hoping for someone who had at least taken a CS class or two, but I'm willing to give it a try if you are willing to learn a bit on your own at first. |
| 08:39.22 | suppaman | I mean actually I'm doing a iwconfig ra0 key mykey by hand, where could I store it ? somehting like /etc/network/interfaces for ethernet cards |
| 08:39.31 | reilithion | igraltist: I'm making a game that teaches people to program. http://gridrover.sourceforge.net |
| 08:39.34 | DaBlade | reilithion: What kind of project is this? |
| 08:39.41 | DaBlade | reilithion: Hey! That's perfect! |
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| 08:39.55 | DaBlade | Learn to code writing an app that teaches to code. lol |
| 08:39.58 | reilithion | DaBlade: Yeah. Too bad it isn't even working yet. lol |
| 08:40.03 | cydork | suppaman: yes you can use pre-up for that. man interfaces for that |
| 08:40.04 | DaBlade | Damn |
| 08:40.09 | suppaman | cydork: thanks |
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| 08:41.07 | red | wols: thanks. all is good. |
| 08:41.13 | red | wols: cheers for your help. |
| 08:41.42 | suppaman | cydork: if-pre-up.d ? |
| 08:42.11 | suppaman | cydork: no I'm reading the man, pre-up option |
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| 08:42.39 | cydork | suppaman: zless /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 08:43.01 | cydork | s/zless/less |
| 08:43.04 | liable | suppaman: what version of debian? |
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| 08:45.41 | liable | suppaman: if you have => etch then use wpasupp to store all your keys and wireless configs |
| 08:46.07 | liable | s/=>/>=/ |
| 08:46.09 | reilithion | Anyway, anyone who's interested can post on our forums or send an e-mail to our mailing list gridrover-devs@lists.sourceforge.net . We're dying for help. |
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| 08:47.34 | suppaman | liable: not sure what version |
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| 08:48.07 | suppaman | liable: unstable |
| 08:48.13 | liable | suppaman: you have no idea wether you are running stable or testing or sid? |
| 08:48.49 | liable | suppaman: right, install wpa-supplicant and have a read of the docs, its become a really good wireles tool |
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| 08:49.20 | suppaman | liable: I installed this debian maybe 4 years ago |
| 08:49.35 | suppaman | liable: I upgraded but I cannot remember when |
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| 08:50.04 | liable | suppaman: that means nothing |
| 08:50.08 | Nethox | suppaman: less /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 08:50.30 | suppaman | liable: btw I cannot remember codename for releases |
| 08:50.40 | liable | suppaman: learn to read changelogs. things have changed massively in 4 years |
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| 08:51.17 | liable | suppaman: codenames matter not, understanding how the apps you have work, does |
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| 08:52.03 | liable | suppaman: if you dont make the effert, why should we do it for you? |
| 08:52.32 | liable | effort |
| 08:52.46 | ajdlinux | is there a program that can make a partition backup direct to CD? (like a Linux one) |
| 08:52.58 | suppaman | liable: I didn't asked for that |
| 08:53.16 | Nethox | ajdlinux: partimage |
| 08:53.17 | liable | ajdlinux: partimage |
| 08:53.30 | ajdlinux | ok thx |
| 08:53.38 | liable | suppaman: ok |
| 08:53.42 | ajdlinux | is there any documentation about how to use partimage in that way? |
| 08:53.44 | suppaman | liable: but I'm not sure to understand what you are talking about, what app behaviour should I understand ? |
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| 08:56.04 | Nethox | ajdlinux: the included in the package, as usual: man and /usr/share/doc/ |
| 08:56.46 | ajdlinux | Nethox:sorry, i mean is there any particular paragraph documenting how to backup direct to /dev/cdrom? |
| 08:56.47 | Nethox | ajdlinux: and, in this case, partimage-doc |
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| 08:57.14 | ajdlinux | Nethox: i'm searching :) |
| 08:57.14 | liable | suppaman: the fact that you have a 4 year old debian box means absolutely fuck all to me, and you should make the effert to learn about the tools you need to make your box work. in this instance, it means learning about wireless. and the wpa-supp in sid is a great tool that covers wireless configurations from no security, to wep, to wpa, seemlessly |
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| 08:58.10 | aredhel | ajdlinux, mondo may be better suited for what you want, or it may not it's hard to tell from here. |
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| 08:58.46 | wols | liable: first he should learn how to either see what version he is running exactly or better yet, how to upgrade it properly to make it use current packages, so he can then use wpa_supplicant |
| 08:58.56 | ajdlinux | aredhel: i'm going over to a friends place to install debian. i need to do it *properly* (i usually don't :) but yeah that involves a full backup |
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| 08:59.50 | lamaunp | Hey guys how can I make a new initrd using a module that was not loaded at boot (megaraid_sas.ko) I need that to be included in the initrd so it will be loaded on boot? |
| 08:59.55 | ajdlinux | if theres no linux tool available then a windows tool (preferably DFSG) would be ok |
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| 09:00.25 | ajdlinux | lamaunp: i believe there is a cmdline option for yaird or similar to do that, i'll check |
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| 09:01.15 | Ogedei | which apt-get incantation should one use to upgrade a major version for a package? -- i'm trying to move from postgres 7.4 to 8.2 |
| 09:01.47 | wols | Ogedei: upgrade or install usually |
| 09:01.49 | ajdlinux | Ogedei: with postgres each major rev is a separate package |
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| 09:01.55 | wols | if the packagename changed, install |
| 09:01.59 | ajdlinux | Ogedei: e.g. apt-get install postgresql-8.2 |
| 09:02.14 | suppaman | the point isn't "it's 4 years old and I don't want to learn anything new", the point is "it was unstable but packages I have got could have turned belonging to a stable release since then". Your misuse of the "fuck" word is useless. I didn't knew of wpa-supp, now I do. Thanks |
| 09:02.29 | Ogedei | ajdlinux: can the two versions coexist? and are there maybe helper scripts to move a database from one version to another? |
| 09:02.39 | ajdlinux | Ogedei: i believe they can |
| 09:02.44 | Ogedei | great, thanks |
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| 09:02.55 | karsten | Ogedei: might ask at #postgresql, quiet this time of day. |
| 09:02.58 | ajdlinux | lamaunp: yeah i believe yaird can do it |
| 09:03.14 | ajdlinux | lamaunp: look at the yaird manpage or its docs |
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| 09:04.27 | karsten | suppaman: You might want to try updating the box before attacking the wireless problem, assuming you've got net. |
| 09:04.37 | Ogedei | hmm, is postgresql-8.2 even considered stable yet by the package system? my system doesn't seem to know about it |
| 09:05.22 | ajdlinux | Ogedei: 8.4 is iirc |
| 09:05.26 | karsten | Ogedei: I'm seeing 8.1. I think 8.2 is very recent. |
| 09:05.34 | ajdlinux | Ogedei:no sorry 7.4 |
| 09:05.37 | Nethox | Ogedei: 8.2 just in experimental... |
| 09:06.01 | ajdlinux | Ogedei: 7.4 and 8.1 are available in etch |
| 09:06.15 | insomniac_cro | hello, do someone know how to change regional settings to some language in KDE, in CONFIG files, not in KDE Control Center |
| 09:06.24 | liable | suppaman: dude, before you ask for help, you *need* to be able to tell us what you are using, your laziness and inabitlty in being able to do this means that *effectively* we cannot do this. so get your box up to date, or learn on your own. how the hell should we be able to magically supply answers for software that may be anywhwre in between 0-4 years old? |
| 09:06.26 | karsten | Ogedei: per postgresql.org, there is no 8.4. 8.1.4 is latest release. |
| 09:06.33 | insomniac_cro | e.g. whrere is corresponding config file? |
| 09:06.37 | Ogedei | karsten: no 8.1 here either -- i'm somewhat ignorant about apt-get though - i just did an 'apt-get update' and then 'apt-get install postgresql-8.1' |
| 09:06.43 | karsten | insomniac_cro: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:06.49 | karsten | Ogedei: http://www.postgresql.org/ |
| 09:06.57 | ajdlinux | Ogedei: sarge or etch> |
| 09:06.58 | ajdlinux | ? |
| 09:07.15 | insomniac_cro | karsten: i will try, thanks |
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| 09:07.27 | karsten | Ogedei: in testing/unstable, I see postgresql-8.1 |
| 09:07.37 | liable | suppaman: and using the 'you swear and you must be a moron' argument is childish, if you dont like it, then fuck off |
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| 09:07.39 | karsten | Ogedei: ... and learn aptitude. /msg dpkg aptitude. |
| 09:07.46 | karsten | liable: Stop the abuse. |
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| 09:07.51 | suppaman | liable: I didn't want magical help, man interfaces was an helpful (though obvious) answer |
| 09:07.57 | karsten | liable: If you don't want to help him, don't |
| 09:08.20 | Ogedei | ajdlinux: good question, how do i tell? (this is some crummy old server that I didn't install) |
| 09:08.23 | ajdlinux | liable: and why exactly does the debian irc channel have such a bad reputation? |
| 09:08.31 | ajdlinux | Ogedei: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:08.36 | liable | karsten: no i will not, i swore once, dont you get on your high horse |
| 09:08.40 | karsten | ajdlinux: Because we can. |
| 09:08.48 | Ogedei | ajdlinux: 3.1 |
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| 09:08.58 | ajdlinux | Ogedei: its sarge/stable |
| 09:09.02 | karsten | liable: Seriously. Take a breather. |
| 09:09.05 | sarah | hi |
| 09:09.08 | sarah | what line do I need in /etc/fstab to automatically mount /dev/hda4 to /home/mydir/foobar/ ? It should be WRITEABLE mounted also for me as user(!) - /dev/hda4 is FAT32 |
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| 09:09.22 | ajdlinux | Ogedei: you may be able to find a newer version on http://backports.org or http://dotdeb.org or similar |
| 09:09.22 | karsten | sarah: Sec. |
| 09:09.31 | sarah | karsten: thank you |
| 09:09.35 | liable | ajdlinux: if you actually read my responses, you would have seen that i supplied a perfectly reasonable answer, seeing as my help is supplied as is, you can take it or leave it |
| 09:09.38 | karsten | !rwvfat |
| 09:09.38 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 09:09.41 | karsten | sarah: ^^ |
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| 09:09.44 | Ogedei | ajdlinux: thanks |
| 09:09.58 | liable | karsten: what exactly was unreasonable in my first response? |
| 09:10.40 | ajdlinux | Ogedei: you can upgrade to etch if you want but for a server its not advisable |
| 09:10.41 | sarah | karsten: what is my USERID and GROUPID ? |
| 09:10.41 | ajdlinux | Ogedei: there can be upgrade issues and you would want to read the release notes |
| 09:10.41 | insomniac_cro | karsten: dpkg-reconfigure locales is OK, but I need to know where KDE stores information about default language |
| 09:10.41 | liable | karsten: i *do* take offence at morons (as i have seen you do many times) that twist my words |
| 09:10.41 | ajdlinux | sarah: its in /etc/passwd |
| 09:10.41 | wols | sarah: depends on your user. look in /etc/passwd |
| 09:10.43 | karsten | sarah: omit userid. Create a group "vfat" and add yourself to it. |
| 09:10.45 | ajdlinux | sarah: and /etc/group for group ids |
| 09:10.58 | wols | sarah: starts with either 500 or 1000 IIRC (depends on debian version) |
| 09:11.12 | suppaman | liable: that behaviour fully qualifies you then |
| 09:11.14 | karsten | sarah: set umask 002 rather than 022. 'newgrp vfat' or log out and back in to access the mounted partition. |
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| 09:11.41 | karsten | liable: I really try not to swear *at* them. I will swear _near_ them. I generally /ignore hopeless cases. |
| 09:11.49 | wols | liable: the strange thing is people still come into #debian, even the morons since they know there are often more clueful people than in their own distros. even with the bad rep |
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| 09:12.05 | liable | suppaman: i tried, good luck. |
| 09:12.25 | suppaman | indeed I'm not intersted in sterile debate, g'bye and thanks |
| 09:12.25 | ajdlinux | wols: that's why i recommend people to http://forums.debian.net |
| 09:12.29 | ajdlinux | more friendly |
| 09:12.30 | karsten | sarah: so: /dev/hda4 /home/mydir/foobar vfat gid=vfat,umask=002 0 0 |
| 09:12.33 | karsten | sarah: ... for /etc/fstab |
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| 09:12.56 | liable | wols: yeah, and we still are assholes |
| 09:13.01 | karsten | liable: Try not to let it get personal. |
| 09:13.22 | karsten | liable: OTOH, if you feel someone isn't qualified to use Debian, just tell 'em that flat. |
| 09:13.24 | wols | cydork: more of the same. nothing to see here. move along |
| 09:13.28 | karsten | sarah: Got it? |
| 09:13.46 | sarah | hum |
| 09:13.50 | cydork | wols: heh :P |
| 09:13.50 | sarah | I did it wrong |
| 09:13.55 | sarah | it did it like this: |
| 09:14.07 | sarah | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.11 | liable | karsten: i dont, and it isnt, i swore, the fact that someone uses the fact that i swore, as an excuse for there ignorance, is what pisses me off. |
| 09:14.17 | karsten | sarah: No spaces on the options. |
| 09:14.36 | karsten | sarah: The bits between the first 'vfat' and '0 0' should be comma seperated, no spaces. |
| 09:14.56 | karsten | sarah: /etc/fstab is whitespace delimited. |
| 09:15.13 | karsten | liable: "there" ignorance? ;-) |
| 09:15.13 | sarah | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.17 | sarah | whats about this? |
| 09:15.18 | karsten | sarah: Right. |
| 09:15.20 | wols | yes |
| 09:15.27 | karsten | sarah: ... oder richtig |
| 09:15.32 | sarah | what is defaults for? |
| 09:15.41 | sarah | heh :) |
| 09:15.43 | karsten | sarah: man mount. |
| 09:15.45 | wols | karsten: stop pretending you dane |
| 09:15.45 | sarah | germans |
| 09:15.48 | sarah | ok |
| 09:15.56 | sarah | Thank you for your help |
| 09:15.57 | wols | sarah: he isn't. he's an imposter |
| 09:16.00 | karsten | sarah: ... IIRC it's 'user nodev nosuid auto' |
| 09:16.11 | karsten | wols: german descent. |
| 09:16.16 | sarah | one last thing: Do I have to restart linux now? |
| 09:16.21 | karsten | wols: ... or ascent, as I prefer to think of it. |
| 09:16.22 | wols | sarah: no! |
| 09:16.22 | sarah | or can I apply it? |
| 09:16.22 | karsten | sarah: No. |
| 09:16.40 | wols | !thwap karsten |
| 09:16.42 | karsten | sarah: Once the file's saved, you can mount by either partition or mountpoint. Eg: mount /home/sarah/daten |
| 09:17.02 | sarah | ok |
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| 09:17.24 | karsten | sarah: Um. 'newgrp' may help. Did you add the group 'vfat' and yourself to it? |
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| 09:17.30 | wols | *sigh* another ubuntu user |
| 09:17.36 | karsten | sarah: "addgroup vfat; adduser sarah vfat" |
| 09:17.54 | karsten | wols: I'm getting to the point that if they don't mention the word I don't bite their heads off. |
| 09:17.56 | wols | sarah: kubuntu, right? |
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| 09:18.02 | liable | perception of ones thoughts is what has fucked this channel.. its funny, you can be helping and still be called an asshole |
| 09:18.16 | karsten | wols: And she's got the sense to run KDE over GNOME. |
| 09:18.21 | liable | or maybe i just really suck at english |
| 09:18.25 | wols | karsten: trouble is, it often leads to puzzling errors when you least expect it |
| 09:18.26 | karsten | liable: That's right, asshole ;-) |
| 09:18.48 | wols | not in this case of course |
| 09:18.49 | karsten | wols: I *did* whois her, saw that. |
| 09:19.01 | wols | your choice :) |
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| 09:19.13 | sarah | yes |
| 09:19.15 | cydork | karsten: are you ok? :P |
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| 09:19.29 | sarah | I cannot get it mounted |
| 09:19.44 | wols | liable: it's your attitude. you have that attitude (I do too), so accept the consquential reactions or stop having it |
| 09:20.12 | karsten | cydork: Pretty damned good from what they tell me. |
| 09:20.22 | karsten | sarah: What's the error? |
| 09:20.34 | wols | karsten: terminal cases rarely get told the truth |
| 09:20.57 | sarah | http://sial.org/pbot/20135 |
| 09:20.58 | karsten | sarah: Lose the "uid=0". Redudant as mounts are done by root. |
| 09:21.01 | sarah | karsten |
| 09:21.04 | wols | cydork: he's a semi-defector anaywys, already running *ubuntu sometimes. He so admitted earlier |
| 09:21.09 | SkareCrow | woot: nessus report for my site - 3 Open Ports, 19 Notes, 55 Warnings, 93 Holes. |
| 09:21.16 | liable | wols: its quite ironic that i was telling you that not long ago, now you are telling me. i need diplomacy skills, i very rarely purposely try to be abusive (if ever) yet the perception is otherwise |
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| 09:21.43 | SkareCrow | cydork: http://www.warpedcoders.org/report/ |
| 09:21.50 | SkareCrow | they are all honeypots i have been working on |
| 09:21.56 | karsten | sarah: What partition is it? hda, hda2, hda4? |
| 09:22.01 | wols | cydork: nessus is not your typical Ubuntu app. so you have to give the benefit of the doubt here |
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| 09:22.18 | sarah | I have a ext3, swap for linux, an empty FAT32 and an NTFS also empty |
| 09:22.25 | sarah | dunno what is where |
| 09:22.25 | SkareCrow | all these holes that nessus has given me are intentional |
| 09:22.28 | cydork | wols: na i was talking about the holes ;) |
| 09:22.31 | sarah | I want to mount the FAT32 one |
| 09:22.34 | solemnwarning | I'be installed nvidia-glx-dev but I don't see any headers for it in /usr/include, are the gl headers in another package? |
| 09:22.47 | wols | cydork: I don't have such an evil mind as yours :P |
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| 09:23.01 | wols | sarah: you need to know which one it is or you can't |
| 09:23.06 | karsten | sarah: OK. Try as root: mount -t /dev/hda<number> eins |
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| 09:23.24 | karsten | sarah: ... for each of the partitions. If it succeeds, you've got the right partition. |
| 09:23.29 | wols | solemnwarning: dpkg -L nvidia-glx-dev |grep ".h" |
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| 09:23.37 | karsten | sarah: cat /proc/partitions for a list of known partitions. |
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| 09:24.02 | sarah | will you still be here in 20 mins? |
| 09:24.05 | sarah | karsten: |
| 09:24.16 | sarah | I have the problem that I must leave for 20 minutes or so |
| 09:24.30 | azeem | sarah: just ask again, maybe somebody else knows |
| 09:24.35 | solemnwarning | Why are they in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx-dev/include/GL/?! |
| 09:24.42 | azeem | don't rely on the presence of individuals |
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| 09:24.59 | sarah | http://sial.org/pbot/20136 |
| 09:25.12 | karsten | sarah: And I've got to sleep. 2:20 am |
| 09:25.13 | CAiRO | whm: GPG error: http://www.backports.org sarge-backports Release: The following signatures coul dn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 09:25.21 | karsten | CAiRO: /topic |
| 09:25.22 | solemnwarning | What package has all the gl/ headers and puts them in /usr/include? |
| 09:25.32 | solemnwarning | This lacks glu.h |
| 09:25.39 | wols | solemnwarning: packages.debian.org knows. it's wise |
| 09:25.41 | karsten | sarah: mount issues are pretty straightforward. Just ask when you're back. |
| 09:25.54 | karsten | !tell solemnwarning about search |
| 09:25.58 | ajdlinux | solemnwarning: apt-cache search mesa gl dev |
| 09:26.07 | ajdlinux | solemnwarning: something along those lines |
| 09:26.16 | cydork | SkareCrow: do you know that that nessus report contains root:$* line |
| 09:26.28 | SkareCrow | yes |
| 09:26.29 | SkareCrow | its fake |
| 09:26.36 | sarah | ok |
| 09:26.41 | sarah | Thank you very much all |
| 09:26.43 | sarah | will be back soon! |
| 09:26.44 | SkareCrow | http://www.warpedcoders.org/bluh?a=/etc/passwd |
| 09:26.44 | cydork | SkareCrow: hmm |
| 09:26.49 | karsten | sarah: NP |
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| 09:27.08 | wols | SkareCrow: why do you tell us about that honeypot? |
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| 09:27.11 | cydork | SkareCrow: heh. |
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| 09:27.22 | SkareCrow | http://www.warpedcoders.org/bluh?a=/home/skarecrow/public_html/index.php |
| 09:27.24 | SkareCrow | :P |
| 09:27.40 | SkareCrow | everyone will know about the honey pot |
| 09:27.46 | wols | you hope someone from debian will be trapped? |
| 09:27.47 | SkareCrow | i want people to know its there to stop them from scanning |
| 09:28.03 | SkareCrow | i hate people running scanners on my site |
| 09:28.16 | SkareCrow | me giving them this information will hopefully stop alot of it |
| 09:28.22 | karsten | sarah: Let me know if you want my governor back ;-) |
| 09:28.27 | Ronin | SkareCrow: heh dreamer |
| 09:28.42 | wols | so you think #debian is constantly scanning your site? |
| 09:28.45 | karsten | SkareCrow: Fat. Chance. |
| 09:28.48 | SkareCrow | i have been hacking for 4 years, alot of people out there that do not like me |
| 09:28.52 | SkareCrow | and i know it will stop alot of people |
| 09:29.02 | SkareCrow | cause the people that do it i use to hang around |
| 09:29.14 | SkareCrow | not intentionally |
| 09:29.23 | SkareCrow | but in groups such as HBH / HTS / EG and what not |
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| 09:29.39 | SkareCrow | i dont do that stuff any more but they persist and i know they will stop if they have the information |
| 09:29.52 | SkareCrow | might not stop everyone but it will stop a majority of the 20 scanners hitting my site up a day |
| 09:29.56 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.27 | CAiRO | hmm, i can't import the gpg key.. nothing changes when i follow the suggested changed from the "dpkg" bot |
| 09:30.36 | CAiRO | gpg: Total number processed: 1 |
| 09:30.37 | CAiRO | gpg: unchanged: 1 |
| 09:30.48 | CAiRO | apt-get update still gives the gpg error |
| 09:30.55 | karsten | CAiRO: Feed it to apt. |
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| 09:31.40 | CAiRO | karsten: how? i've already been running apt-key as in the command line described by the dpkg bot |
| 09:31.51 | azeem | CAiRO: maybe a second key missing? |
| 09:31.55 | azeem | compare the ids |
| 09:31.58 | karsten | !import gpg key |
| 09:31.58 | dpkg | import gpg key is probably gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv [ID] && gpg --armor --export [ID] | apt-key add - |
| 09:32.09 | karsten | CAiRO: Different archive? |
| 09:32.19 | ajdlinux | i'll repeat my original question: does anyone know of a DFSG backup program, linux or windows, that can do a whole partition backup directly to a CD-R? |
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| 09:32.24 | CAiRO | hmm, can i tell apt-get to ignore the keys for now? |
| 09:32.31 | ajdlinux | CAiRO: yes |
| 09:32.45 | ajdlinux | use --allow-unauthenticated (i think) |
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| 09:33.07 | ajdlinux | you can write it in apt.conf as well to do it permanently, but the best way is to actually get the key :) |
| 09:33.10 | karsten | ajdlinux: Given that you've got to create an iso9660 fs first, no. |
| 09:33.13 | reZo | SkareCrow: I hacked your website. |
| 09:33.14 | CAiRO | ajdlinux: aha, thanks a lot |
| 09:33.23 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 09:33.30 | CAiRO | i can't verfy the key anyway, so what does it help? |
| 09:33.36 | ajdlinux | karsten: strange... drive image can do it |
| 09:33.49 | karsten | ajdlinux: Sure it's not caching somewhere? |
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| 09:34.08 | ajdlinux | karsten: it's proprietary, so no i don't :) |
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| 09:34.18 | ajdlinux | i *would* read its source code :) |
| 09:36.11 | maxb_at_work | Is there such a thing as a dedicated channel for apt? I'm seeing a weirdness... it's actually on Ubuntu this time, but I promise I've seen the same thing on Debian machines,... and I'm looking for where I might find apt experts. |
| 09:36.43 | ajdlinux | maxb_at_work: channel meaning repo? |
| 09:37.08 | karsten | ajdlinux: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8680 sort of supports my statement. |
| 09:37.19 | maxb_at_work | ajdlinux: No, channel as in best place on IRC to ask questions about obscure apt behaviour. |
| 09:37.36 | ajdlinux | maxb_at_work: afaik no |
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| 09:37.44 | tuv | :D |
| 09:37.46 | cunzhang | my konsole breakdown so many time when I upgrade sid yesterday, is there a bug?? |
| 09:38.03 | Ronin | cunzhang: in sid? how odd :) |
| 09:38.21 | maxb_at_work | Ah well. Anyone know under what circumstances apt will try to upgrade a package, when the version on the local system and the version in the repository are *the same* ? |
| 09:38.25 | cunzhang | Ronin,in sid |
| 09:38.26 | ajdlinux | cunzhang: konsole referring to KDE konsole? |
| 09:38.40 | ajdlinux | maxb_at_work: if the local version is broken i guess? |
| 09:38.41 | porkpie | Hi guy's I want to install debian on my Dell 1950 is it support ? |
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| 09:38.52 | cunzhang | ajdlinux,yes KDE konsole |
| 09:39.00 | Fatal | *twitch* |
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| 09:39.01 | azeem | porkpie: probably, is this a notebook? |
| 09:39.02 | ajdlinux | cunzhang: in what ways does it break? |
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| 09:39.18 | maxb_at_work | ajdlinux: Neither 'apt-get check' not 'dpkg --audit' complain at all. |
| 09:39.20 | ajdlinux | cunzhang: also if it has upgraded KDE libraries you need to logout and log back in |
| 09:39.30 | ajdlinux | maxb_at_work: whats it trying to upgrade? |
| 09:39.38 | cunzhang | ajdlinux,today when I run apt-get upgrade then it break down |
| 09:39.42 | tuv | maxb_at_work, that's a good riddle :) |
| 09:39.59 | cunzhang | ajdlinux, thank you! |
| 09:40.10 | maxb_at_work | It *is* a package that I rebuilt locally, because the source was present on the ubuntu mirrors, but the binaries were missing. |
| 09:40.22 | ajdlinux | maxb_at_work: thats probably why |
| 09:40.33 | ajdlinux | maxb_at_work: perhaps it checks MD5s or something |
| 09:40.39 | tralala | oh, no! he said the u-word! |
| 09:40.45 | cunzhang | ajdlinux, maybe because of it. :) |
| 09:40.51 | porkpie | No ..it a poweredge server running 2 Dual core 3.0Ghz with 4GB of Ram and a PERC Raid controller running raid1 ....... |
| 09:40.55 | maxb_at_work | Yes... but where are these MD5sums! That's what I want to know. |
| 09:41.12 | ajdlinux | maxb_at_work: in debian/control of the built package |
| 09:41.14 | tuv | maxb_at_work, how is it trying to upgrade it if there is no binary for it in the repo? |
| 09:41.18 | ajdlinux | and in Packages |
| 09:41.19 | porkpie | Does debian support xfs and lvm |
| 09:41.28 | ajdlinux | tuv: perhaps there is now |
| 09:41.29 | speeves | porkpie: yes |
| 09:41.35 | maxb_at_work | tralala: I know, but I *did* point out that the same had happened to me on pure debian machines. |
| 09:41.53 | porkpie | speeves:thanks .....is there a server build |
| 09:41.54 | maxb_at_work | tuv: Yes, it is now. |
| 09:41.56 | tuv | maxb_at_work, if it is in the repo then then the repo's version takes precedence |
| 09:41.57 | tralala | porkpie: linux supports them both and debian has the userspace tools for lvm at least |
| 09:42.08 | speeves | porkpie: what poweredge are you trying to install on? |
| 09:42.12 | speeves | 1950? |
| 09:42.14 | tuv | maxb_at_work, if they have the same version that is |
| 09:42.16 | ajdlinux | porkpie: what do you mean by server build? |
| 09:42.24 | maxb_at_work | tuv: I'm just curious how it knows that my local version is different, when the version numbers are the same. |
| 09:42.35 | porkpie | speeves:yes a 1959 |
| 09:42.38 | porkpie | 1950 |
| 09:42.40 | ajdlinux | maxb_at_work: compare the generated package |
| 09:42.51 | ajdlinux | use ar to extract control.tar.gz from both, then compare them |
| 09:42.58 | speeves | porkpie: just a sec and I will give you the location of a sarge install that will work on a 1950 |
| 09:43.01 | ajdlinux | you'll probably find different sums and so on |
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| 09:43.09 | tuv | maxb_at_work, if packages are signed then it will know |
| 09:43.16 | porkpie | ajdlinux:Like ubuntu has a server ISO |
| 09:43.22 | maxb_at_work | ajdlinux: But.... apt doesn't have access to the currently installed .deb... |
| 09:43.22 | basix | hi room :) |
| 09:43.24 | speeves | porkpie: it is the perc5 controller that the install is barfing on |
| 09:43.35 | ajdlinux | maxb_at_work: /var/lib/dpkg/info i believ |
| 09:43.45 | porkpie | speeves:Hmm! |
| 09:43.49 | Nethox | porkpie: just install debian stable for production servers |
| 09:43.57 | speeves | porkpie: http://speeves.unt.edu/newindex/?p=128 |
| 09:44.06 | basix | how does Linux handle badsectors on harddisks? Is it possible to mark them as bad and continue using the rest of the disk? |
| 09:44.09 | basix | i am using xfs |
| 09:44.11 | maxb_at_work | ajdlinux: Yep. I'm mainly curious just what it is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/status (or something else?) that's enabling it to work out my package is different? |
| 09:44.11 | speeves | porkpie: that has a link to the ISO that we use |
| 09:44.20 | Guerin | basix: anything's possible, but it's an amazingly stupid thing to do |
| 09:44.24 | ajdlinux | maxb_at_work: look in <pkgname>.md5sums |
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| 09:44.27 | tuv | basix, yes.. fsck -c |
| 09:44.37 | porkpie | speeves:is a 64bit distro |
| 09:44.45 | Guerin | basix: back the disk up, hit it with a sledge hammer, and install another one, pronto |
| 09:44.46 | speeves | porkpie: this documents an issue with the etch installer: http://speeves.unt.edu/newindex/?p=125 |
| 09:44.48 | ajdlinux | maxb_at_work: md5s for EVERY SINGLE FILE... |
| 09:44.59 | speeves | porkpie: ?? |
| 09:45.14 | maxb_at_work | ajdlinux: That can't be... apt doesn't have the remote package's md5sums file to compare with. |
| 09:45.24 | tuv | basix, sorry.. e2fsck -c if it's ext2 or ext3.. man e2fsck for details and have a look at man badblocks |
| 09:45.38 | basix | Guerin: a new disk is not an option atm |
| 09:45.51 | porkpie | speeves:does it support the intel xeon dual core 64bit processors |
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| 09:45.57 | Guerin | basix: then you are extremely likely to lose any data you have/put on the drive. |
| 09:45.59 | ajdlinux | maxb_at_work: theres more than that! |
| 09:46.04 | basix | tuv: ok...but i am using xfs |
| 09:46.08 | speeves | porkpie: that is what we are running :) |
| 09:46.13 | basix | Guerin: i know. but i cant help it right now |
| 09:46.35 | porkpie | Cool |
| 09:46.48 | porkpie | I want to run xen on this box |
| 09:46.48 | speeves | porkpie: good luck :) |
| 09:47.08 | speeves | porkpie: we have been running debian on dell's since the 1750's and have had no problems. |
| 09:47.09 | ajdlinux | maxb_at_work: you may want to look at the uploaders and changelog etc. |
| 09:47.14 | tuv | basix, i think it's called xfs_check, but then again i never used xfs myself |
| 09:47.47 | porkpie | speeves:are you using the amd64 iso |
| 09:47.59 | porkpie | speeves:are you using the amd64 iso for the dual cores |
| 09:48.21 | tuv | maxb_at_work, it might be easier for you to create your local package with a slightly higher version than the current one.. e.g. with an appendix |
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| 09:49.00 | speeves | porkpie: yes, but remember that you probably need to install the smp kernel after the installation completes |
| 09:49.09 | maxb_at_work | tuv: I actually don't mind if my local package gets replaced. My issue is purely one of curiosity, wanting to know what on earth is going on. |
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| 09:49.30 | speeves | porkpie: simply run cat /proc/cpuinfo to see if the initial install picked up both cpus |
| 09:50.33 | porkpie | speeves:Have you got a how to doc on the smp kernel I am a freebsd person ..I can build a kernel using that :) |
| 09:51.15 | Nethox | porkpie: debian has precompiled kernel-image-*-smp kernels |
| 09:51.45 | basix | tuv: yeah i used that but i didnt find the right options to mark badblocks |
| 09:52.14 | tuv | basix, then use badblocks itself |
| 09:52.24 | speeves | porkpie: try apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4-smp |
| 09:52.36 | speeves | porkpie: that is the beauty of Debian |
| 09:53.54 | tuv | maxb_at_work, i think it has to do with apt preferences, like when you make testing preferred over unstable. looks like everything is preferred over local packages |
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| 09:56.01 | porkpie | speeves:can I setup LVM and XFS from the install ....I want to create one 4gb ext3 /root partion and one 4gb swap the rest I want to use LVM and XFS so I can use xen |
| 09:56.34 | savels | #flood |
| 09:57.25 | porkpie | speeves:also I just want the base system installed ....for a server ...what do I need to select ..just downloading the iso now |
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| 09:57.38 | liable | a /j even |
| 09:57.47 | liable | meh what a tosser.. |
| 09:58.00 | woodrag | how can i tell my system to use utf character encoding? |
| 09:58.08 | woodrag | how can i tell my system to use utf8 character encoding? |
| 09:58.22 | speeves | porkpie: I'm sure you can, but you might have to ask another knowledgeable person about XFS and LVM (it would be in the partitioning portion of the install) |
| 09:59.02 | maxb_at_work | For the record, looks like it was comparing *all* the fields in the packages file, since it was finding a difference in the Depends field |
| 09:59.09 | speeves | porkpie: on the install, I don't select anything when it asks me to choose desktop/web server, etc |
| 09:59.17 | speeves | porkpie: then you can build up from there |
| 09:59.41 | liable | woodrag: reconfigure locales and select utf8 |
| 10:00.11 | porkpie | speeves:I am going to use this one sarge-custom-0801.iso is that correct |
| 10:00.11 | tuv | maxb_at_work, according to man apt_preferences, 'Pin: origin ""' assigns a high priority to all package versions available from the local site |
| 10:00.16 | woodrag | liable: using dpkg reconfigure-locales? |
| 10:00.16 | savels | very polite of u liable |
| 10:00.20 | savels | ty |
| 10:00.34 | woodrag | -liable-: using dpkg reconfigure-locales? |
| 10:00.38 | liable | woodrag: yes, but move the - back a word |
| 10:00.58 | liable | savels: what was polite of me? |
| 10:01.02 | woodrag | -liable-: i already did that... Do i have to reboot? |
| 10:01.16 | tuv | maxb_at_work, this is why it is upgrading.. how does it distinguish them is another story.. but i guess apt cache has this kind of information which gets stored when you do apt-get update |
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| 10:01.22 | liable | woodrag: nope, what debian version? |
| 10:01.34 | woodrag | -liable-: sarge |
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| 10:01.53 | speeves | porkpie: right, under the amd64 heading |
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| 10:02.10 | porkpie | speeves:yes |
| 10:02.18 | liable | woodrag: my current box is an etch install wgich looks after it for you, buts it a simple matter of a file edit for sarge, sec and i'll try and find out |
| 10:02.22 | speeves | porkpie: dell claims that they support linux, but they really only support red hat and suse |
| 10:02.37 | tuv | looks like maxb_at_work wasn't interested in an answer as much as i though :| |
| 10:02.44 | speeves | porkpie: therefore, us Debian folk have had to rely on these custom installs |
| 10:02.44 | tuv | *thought |
| 10:02.53 | woodrag | -liable-: i am trying to create a document with RTF::Document where i use some special characters... unfortunately it shows some cr.pp ;-( |
| 10:03.14 | porkpie | speeves:I know ..I have just spent 3 days trying to get ubuntu installed ....:( |
| 10:03.16 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:03.17 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 10:03.21 | speeves | porkpie: the 1950 install has been spearheaded by kenshi (thankfully :) ) |
| 10:03.50 | liable | woodrag: tell your irc client to not use the - around nicks, it doesnt highlight for me, so i might miss your comments |
| 10:03.55 | porkpie | speeves:cool ....ubuntu was giving me grub error 21 |
| 10:04.22 | woodrag | liable: like this? |
| 10:04.38 | liable | woodrag: yep :) |
| 10:04.54 | liable | woodrag: http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html |
| 10:05.34 | woodrag | liable: thanx... i will read this and hope it works for me...! |
| 10:05.43 | speeves | porkpie: i believe that ubuntu probably suffers from the second link that I sent you |
| 10:05.54 | streuner | speeves: ubuntu is OT here - see /topic |
| 10:06.01 | speeves | porkpie: it is a flaw in the Debian installer, which should effect ubuntu as well |
| 10:06.03 | liable | woodrag: its a simple matter of exporting, but i cant remember what file it is that makes it permanent |
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| 10:06.45 | speeves | streuner: please be patient, we are installing debian on a 1950 (dell), the ubuntu stuff came in a side note |
| 10:07.09 | liable | woodrag: theres a few links in that page though, should point in the right direction.. |
| 10:07.17 | Guerin | utf8 is easy |
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| 10:07.23 | Guerin | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:07.25 | porkpie | speeves:It seems that the kernel is detecting the scsi drives before the raid controlller ...this screws up the install as it show 3 drives 2 physical and one logical ...you install the distro on the logical and run the mkinitramfs but you still get the grub error 21 on reboot ,,,,the dmesg shows the kernel detecting the hard drives before the raid contoller and falls over |
| 10:07.35 | woodrag | liable: thanx dude! |
| 10:07.35 | Guerin | s/s// |
| 10:07.37 | liable | Guerin: ya, but set as defualt? |
| 10:07.48 | liable | its a file edit |
| 10:08.03 | liable | that i cant remeber |
| 10:08.08 | Guerin | liable: if you set your default locale to foo.bar_UTF-8 |
| 10:08.18 | Guerin | no file to edit, just use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:08.18 | bionoid | Hello. I'm getting a weird error when attempting to mount an ISO image through loopback (mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso target_folder/): "mount: no permission to look at /dev/loop#" -- Never seen that one before. Running testing/unstable. Any hints? |
| 10:08.23 | speeves | porkpie: check out my link here: http://speeves.unt.edu/newindex/?p=125 |
| 10:08.40 | speeves | that shows how to fix the boot problem |
| 10:08.41 | liable | hrm, i remeber editing something.. |
| 10:09.02 | Guerin | woodrag: also /msg dpkg extended chars |
| 10:09.06 | liable | you can have 50 locales made, but what sets it??? |
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| 10:09.09 | streuner | speeves: well, that sounds different to me :-) porkpie> speeves:I know ..I have just spent 3 days trying to get ubuntu installed ....:( |
| 10:09.09 | streuner | <porkpie> speeves:cool ....ubuntu was giving me grub error 21 |
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| 10:09.29 | fanta | hi |
| 10:09.34 | Nethox | liable: /etc/environment |
| 10:09.35 | streuner | speeves: so you are saying he tries debian, right? |
| 10:09.36 | speeves | porkpie: the debian installer doesn't add the megaraid_sas to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules, so it fails to see the perc5 controller |
| 10:10.16 | speeves | streuner: we are dealing with a debian installer issue |
| 10:10.18 | tuv | liable, dpkg-reconfigure generates all selected locales AND sets the default one that you choose |
| 10:10.19 | porkpie | streuner:I AM JUST DOWNLOADING DEBIAN TO INSTALL IT ...... |
| 10:10.22 | liable | Guerin: and how do you set that, thats what i cant remember |
| 10:10.28 | Nethox | woodrag: that was for you, edit /etc/environment once you have reconfigured locales |
| 10:10.29 | Guerin | liable: set what? |
| 10:10.34 | speeves | streuner: that probably relates to debian as well, no? ;) |
| 10:10.47 | liable | tuv: does it, i dont remeber it asking for default locale |
| 10:10.56 | liable | Guerin: the default locale |
| 10:11.03 | tuv | liable, maybe you chose one only |
| 10:11.08 | Guerin | liable: dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 10:11.15 | Guerin | should ask fopr default |
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| 10:11.30 | liable | ok, my memory sucks ass then, i thought it didnt |
| 10:11.32 | woodrag | Nethox: /etc/environment contains:LANG=nl_NL.UTF-8@euro |
| 10:11.55 | porkpie | streuner:I will not mention ubuntu again if it make you happy .....speeves I will call it utnubu :) |
| 10:12.03 | Guerin | foul play |
| 10:12.03 | speeves | lol |
| 10:12.05 | speeves | :) |
| 10:12.06 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 10:12.09 | Guerin | ECHAN |
| 10:12.10 | streuner | porkpie: You should fix your CAPS-LOCK first, before trying to install debian ;-) |
| 10:12.13 | Nethox | woodrag: you can add LC_ALL=nl_NL.UTF-8@euro and LANGUAGE=nl_NL.UTF-8@euro to complete the set |
| 10:13.09 | woodrag | Nethox: and then reboot? |
| 10:13.16 | porkpie | streuner: :-) |
| 10:13.38 | tuv | woodrag, just re-login |
| 10:13.46 | Nethox | woodrag: no, just log into a new shell. If you are using X, I think you should restart them |
| 10:13.58 | woodrag | Nethox: its a server... |
| 10:14.24 | porkpie | speeves:lets see what happens ....It's a slow download 77% so far ....I am on a 10MB connection as well |
| 10:14.27 | woodrag | Nethox: I am trying to generate documents with RTF::Document using Apache::ModPerl |
| 10:14.35 | speeves | porkpie: good luck |
| 10:14.45 | Nethox | woodrag: relogin and check $ locale |
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| 10:15.06 | woodrag | Nethox: Ok i will brb! |
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| 10:15.10 | speeves | porkpie: I really enjoy debian as a server os, and partially enjoy it as a laptop os, so hope that it meets your needs :) |
| 10:15.40 | liable | it sucks for laptops unless you dont mind tinkering |
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| 10:15.55 | woodrag | Nethox: Its working for my shell! |
| 10:15.58 | speeves | liable: yeah, it can be a pooter... |
| 10:16.04 | speeves | lol |
| 10:16.06 | woodrag | Nethox: Now restart apache? |
| 10:16.07 | tuv | not testing |
| 10:16.32 | Nethox | woodrag: i don't know if apache needs to know your LOCALE config |
| 10:16.56 | liable | which, btw, if you dont like tinkering, it prolly sucks anyway for whatever |
| 10:17.04 | speeves | porkpie: lol |
| 10:17.16 | liable | speeves: pooter? |
| 10:17.26 | liable | poofter? |
| 10:17.38 | tuv | well testing works great on laptops |
| 10:17.41 | woodrag | Nethox: When i login as a "normal" user locales are set to UTF but as root locales are set as POSIX! |
| 10:17.51 | liable | that word takes me back a decade or so :) |
| 10:17.54 | porkpie | speeves:the syslog was detecting 8 CPU's |
| 10:17.58 | speeves | liable: yeah, I prefer to give my patches to debian, so am running unstable on an acer ... it's great |
| 10:18.01 | liable | tuv: sid still sucks on mine :) |
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| 10:18.19 | tuv | liable, what is it missing? |
| 10:18.26 | speeves | tuv: i wish I could have gone with testing |
| 10:18.50 | tuv | speeves, what are you running? |
| 10:19.03 | speeves | tuv: but this new acer needed unstable for now... I will probably following sid into the next testing though |
| 10:19.03 | porkpie | speeves:here goes ... |
| 10:19.04 | Nethox | woodrag: are you using su or a new login shell? |
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| 10:19.22 | woodrag | Nethox: su |
| 10:19.30 | woodrag | Nethox: su - |
| 10:19.31 | liable | tuv: sleep/suspend, wireless drivers, hdaps for my drive, fingerprint reader, and thats all i can think of atm :) |
| 10:19.55 | liable | tuv: oh, and it wont screen blank |
| 10:20.31 | liable | tuv: but most i have fixed, i am just saying that pretty much nothing works out of the box |
| 10:20.39 | speeves | tuv: amd64 needs some work on some of the sleepy stuff, but that is why I'm running it :) So I can help fix the issues |
| 10:20.45 | tuv | liable, mine used to blank the screen but i didn't like it so i made not to (forgot how actually!) |
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| 10:20.53 | speeves | tuv: in Debian' |
| 10:20.59 | tuv | yup |
| 10:21.06 | Nethox | woodrag: it will work in a new shell |
| 10:21.09 | tuv | recent installs do |
| 10:21.09 | speeves | s defence, ubuntu had the same issues with this laptop :P |
| 10:21.18 | speeves | streuner: sorry :) |
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| 10:21.45 | tuv | liable, wireless works great, not out-of-the-box though as you pointed |
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| 10:22.33 | Guerin | sport |
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| 10:22.39 | tuv | liable, and i never do sleep or suspend :) but Fn suspend/sleep shortcuts work although i cannot boot back to resume.. it always boots afresh :( |
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| 10:23.09 | speeves | tuv: I always get a kick out of that, (the irony) :)) |
| 10:23.26 | liable | tuv: yeah, my other one didnt either, all is i am saying, is debian sucks on lappies unless you like playing (which obviously i do) just playing devils advocate. not that theres much that debian can do, due to a couple of things being non free, |
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| 10:24.26 | speeves | liable: but I think we can be better. as long as we keep polishing, we can really create a kick butt experience on the laptop as well |
| 10:24.29 | liable | tuv: once i get suspend to work, thats the last i think of it. i usually leave my laptop on 24/7 anyway |
| 10:24.31 | speeves | charge!! |
| 10:24.48 | liable | speeves: problem is kernel modules really |
| 10:24.59 | tuv | liable, as long as linux is not the original OS shipped with the laptop, it will require some fine tuning |
| 10:25.14 | liable | speeves: like propritry graphics and wireless |
| 10:25.17 | tuv | liable, same here :) |
| 10:25.53 | liable | tuv: but i still want it to work, and spend way to much time making sure it does, just because, it should :) |
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| 10:28.20 | woodrag | Nethox: Its working in the shells but in the documents i still get cr.pp.... ;-( Is there a way to tell OOo that the sheet is in UTF8 encoding???? |
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| 10:29.18 | tuv | woodrag, doesn't the 'open file' dialog have an encoding option? |
| 10:30.52 | Nethox | woodrag: I don't use OO, but make sure you have fonts with UTF8 support |
| 10:30.52 | woodrag | tuv: which 'open file' dialog?? I write a spreadsheet using Spreadsheet::WriteExcel.... and RTF documents using RTF::Document... In either i get some cr.pp instead of the desired character.... ;-( |
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| 10:31.19 | tuv | woodrag, didn't you say OOo? |
| 10:31.20 | woodrag | Nethox: When i type in the character or copy/paste it... its working |
| 10:31.41 | woodrag | tuv: As in OpenOffice! |
| 10:31.50 | tuv | woodrag, OOo's open dialog that is |
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| 10:32.23 | woodrag | tuv: OpenOffice just opens the document without any dialog! |
| 10:32.23 | ViperXL75 | sup? |
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| 10:32.37 | Nethox | woodrag: do you have the correct keymap in Xorg.conf? |
| 10:32.40 | liable | ViperXL75: nuffin |
| 10:32.47 | tuv | woodrag, File -> Open will open a dialog |
| 10:32.54 | ViperXL75 | liable: u got about 5 minutes to save me 5 days? |
| 10:32.56 | ViperXL75 | lol |
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| 10:33.06 | woodrag | Nethox: The server does not run X! |
| 10:33.26 | woodrag | tuv: the document is parsed from the browser! |
| 10:33.34 | liable | ViperXL75: we can try.. i guess |
| 10:33.48 | tuv | woodrag, so how is OOo related to this whole thing? |
| 10:33.50 | woodrag | tuv: i just send the file over http to the client |
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| 10:34.01 | ViperXL75 | may i send you a private message? |
| 10:34.09 | liable | no, ask the channel |
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| 10:34.28 | Nethox | woodrag: the X server you were using to open OOo |
| 10:34.32 | woodrag | tuv: when Firefox asks with which program i should open the rtf or xls document i tell it to use Oo! |
| 10:34.33 | ViperXL75 | i was wondering if you would mind loggin into my server. Problem is i don't wanna post my serverIP into the channel |
| 10:34.57 | tuv | woodrag, then the problem could be entirely client-side |
| 10:35.48 | liable | ViperXL75: really, thats a terrible idea. as desperate as you may ever get, dont trust a single soul on irc. (even though, yes most of us wouldnt do anything nefarious, but you dont know who is who) |
| 10:36.08 | ViperXL75 | ok.... i understand...... :$ |
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| 10:38.02 | woodrag | Thx guys..! |
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| 10:38.55 | ViperXL75 | lol.. |
| 10:39.12 | ViperXL75 | actually i'm trying to get the "apt-get" package name to install for apache2 |
| 10:39.29 | ViperXL75 | just: apt-get install apache2 ? |
| 10:39.29 | wols | apt-cache search apache |
| 10:39.33 | wols | but yes your line above is correct |
| 10:39.36 | ViperXL75 | ah |
| 10:39.50 | wols | but use aptitude in the future |
| 10:40.22 | ViperXL75 | wtf?!?!... now the damn command works |
| 10:40.32 | ViperXL75 | i tried it before on another debian installation..... nuffin.... |
| 10:40.36 | liable | has for years :P |
| 10:40.53 | liable | well, mebbe not apache2.. |
| 10:40.54 | wols | it didn't do "nuffin". Either it works or it gives an error message |
| 10:40.59 | ViperXL75 | Now i re-installed debian with the net-install and used FTP installation and it works... it works!!! |
| 10:41.11 | wols | anapivirtua: please stop that, I'm ticklish |
| 10:41.13 | ViperXL75 | next step is getting FTP running and then i'm happy |
| 10:41.17 | liable | praise the lord! |
| 10:41.22 | wols | ViperXL75: use vsftpd |
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| 10:42.25 | liable | ViperXL75: are you going to host files on ftp, or can we pursuade you to use a better protocol? |
| 10:42.42 | asdzxc | hi, is it possible to configure logrotate like this: /var/log/apache2/*/*.log { .... } |
| 10:42.44 | asdzxc | ? |
| 10:43.04 | asdzxc | so it will rotate file *.log in all subdirs of /var/log/apache2 |
| 10:43.07 | asdzxc | files |
| 10:43.37 | asdzxc | will it work correctly ? |
| 10:43.51 | Lamperi | Day changed to 09 Sep 2006 |
| 10:44.30 | liable | Lamperi: you seem to be 24 days behing the rst of the world |
| 10:44.45 | wols | Lamperi:'s that is |
| 10:44.54 | Lamperi | nothing, just a misspaste |
| 10:45.43 | liable | for no other reason than that he is nosy |
| 10:46.01 | porkpie | speeves:it seems to be hanging on installing the kernel ....82 percent |
| 10:46.26 | Nethox | asdzxc: you can 1) read the doc, 2) trial&error |
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| 10:47.14 | ViperXL75 | liable: use a better protocol? |
| 10:47.19 | ViperXL75 | would u mean sftp? |
| 10:47.26 | wols | yes |
| 10:47.48 | asdzxc | Nethox i'm reading the docs but i can't find any example like this, 2) if it will not rotate it like i want then i will have to rotate 1000s of logs by hand :) |
| 10:47.50 | liable | ViperXL75: scp |
| 10:47.51 | ViperXL75 | never did it yet... What kinda FTP client should i use then? Any names? |
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| 10:48.03 | cydork | !sftp |
| 10:48.03 | dpkg | somebody said sftp was a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. "apt-get install ssh". see http://winscp.net/ for a windows sftp client |
| 10:48.06 | simonrvn | sftp != ftp |
| 10:48.06 | wols | ViperXL75: depends on platform |
| 10:48.10 | asdzxc | Nethox cos i need it rotated every day |
| 10:48.18 | liable | ViperXL75: if its for file swapping/backup sorta stuff, use scp/rsync |
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| 10:49.58 | Nethox | asdzxc: "Normal shell quoting rules apply, with ', ", and \ characters supported |
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| 10:50.09 | Oliver | does somebody useing asfxload to load sound fonts for midi ? |
| 10:50.55 | Nethox | asdzxc: so I think wildcards like * will have the same rules, but not sure because I use the default conf |
| 10:51.24 | phillip | Good morning. |
| 10:51.34 | simonrvn | asdzxc: yes it will |
| 10:51.55 | liable | wtf do you guys count as sftp? |
| 10:51.59 | simonrvn | example from mine: /var/log/apache2/*.log |
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| 10:52.17 | simonrvn | the ssh based one |
| 10:52.18 | asdzxc | Nethox ok then, thnx |
| 10:52.48 | simonrvn | and ^^ that has worked for a few years ;) |
| 10:52.49 | liable | i liken it to that silly ftp server that says its secure, but scp or rsync is proper secure copying |
| 10:53.30 | simonrvn | the ftp one i call ftps, ftp + ssl/tls |
| 10:54.14 | liable | so what do you install for sftp? |
| 10:54.19 | simonrvn | a la https, smtps, etc. |
| 10:54.23 | phillip | Is there a web based program that runs on Debian that keeps notes and images that can sort by tags? |
| 10:54.25 | simonrvn | (open-)ssh |
| 10:54.29 | liable | right.. |
| 10:54.51 | liable | so really, you actually mean.. scp/rsync?? |
| 10:54.55 | phillip | Or would I do better with a service I'm not aware of? |
| 10:55.13 | simonrvn | without the rsync |
| 10:55.24 | liable | well, the protocol, sure |
| 10:55.53 | simonrvn | i got to sleep. nice talking with you. g'night/g'day |
| 10:55.57 | wols | phillip: a wiki? |
| 10:56.14 | bonez39 | ~seen dpkg |
| 10:56.21 | apt | dpkg is currently on #debian (23h 47m 32s) #debian-bots (23h 47m 32s). Has said a total of 88 messages. Is idling for 8m 18s, last said: 'somebody said sftp was a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. "apt-get install ssh". see http://winscp.net/ for a windows sftp client'. |
| 10:56.21 | liable | good night |
| 10:56.48 | Kerr | i'm about to upgrade kernel-image-2.6-k7, i use nvidia's drivers. Will that just mean doing the nvidia one liner again after reboot? |
| 10:57.18 | phillip | wols: Is there one that works well with tags now? |
| 10:57.28 | sep | Kerr, if you use etch then the nvidia is not in etch yet |
| 10:57.39 | sep | i had to use the kernel+nvidia fom sid on my etch earlier this week |
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| 10:58.06 | sep | Kerr, if it's sarge, then "yes" |
| 10:58.13 | sep | if it's sid then "yes" |
| 10:58.15 | Kerr | sarge |
| 10:58.36 | Kerr | my etch install imploded about six months ago after a brownout |
| 10:58.37 | Kerr | lol |
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| 10:59.46 | bonez39 | liable, scp works great..... |
| 11:00.34 | liable | bonez39: i know, i was just a little confused as to what people call sftp, i just call it scp or rsync, depending which i use |
| 11:00.59 | bonez39 | well, they are two unique items..... |
| 11:01.04 | liable | seeing as it doesnt even use ftp ports |
| 11:01.18 | liable | bonez39: not really, they both use ssh |
| 11:01.26 | bonez39 | oh, I stand corrected then |
| 11:01.29 | Nethox | liable: It's because scp can be SSHv1 but sftp was introduced in v2, i think |
| 11:01.35 | liable | bonez39: unless you talk about rsync protocol |
| 11:01.48 | liable | Nethox: oh |
| 11:02.17 | liable | Nethox: but what exactly is sftp? whats the client, what defines it? |
| 11:03.21 | Nethox | liable: anyways, sftp also supports sshv1. It is just a ftp-like client using SSH, not FTP protocol |
| 11:04.00 | liable | whats the clients name though? |
| 11:04.05 | valdyn | liable: sftp ( the client ) is part of ssh |
| 11:04.20 | liable | valdyn: thank you |
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| 11:05.28 | liable | hrm, so its same as rsync but sshv2? |
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| 11:06.22 | valdyn | liable: its just a client for ssh file transfer that feels like the 'ftp' client.. |
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| 11:08.00 | liable | well, i guess that shows some ignorance on my part, never used it, or acknowledged its existence |
| 11:08.22 | valdyn | liable: i dont use it either, not much point |
| 11:08.41 | cydork | liable: it's not that great actully. scp or rsync is way better |
| 11:08.45 | valdyn | liable: it might be useful on scponly sites |
| 11:09.12 | cydork | valdyn: then rsync will be better option. right? |
| 11:09.28 | porkpie | speeves:trying to run this command echo "megaraid_sas" >> /etc/mkinitramfs/modules but I am getting no such file or dir |
| 11:09.39 | valdyn | cydork: depends on what you want to do, traversing directories manually and picking individual files isnt what rsync is made for |
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| 11:10.46 | cydork | valdyn: hmm that's true. |
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| 11:11.43 | Nethox | rsync through a ssh tunel, just alone it is not secure |
| 11:12.07 | liable | why so? |
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| 11:12.24 | Guerin | Nethox: bullshit |
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| 11:12.35 | Guerin | Nethox: it's as inherently secure as ssh |
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| 11:12.49 | mAIJK | Hey, I want an easyway to backup my server? Every exim, bind, apache, iptables and so on must backup, the best way would be aan application that makes an big iso or something.. Any ideas? |
| 11:12.57 | Nethox | sorry if i was wrong... |
| 11:13.03 | valdyn | mAIJK: mondo |
| 11:13.24 | cyzie | hello, i have a debian box and a lot of users have a their home directory. Due to all of them using windows, is it possible for the users to mount their home dir to the windows laptop ? |
| 11:13.26 | mAIJK | valdyn ok? Is it good? |
| 11:13.31 | valdyn | mAIJK: read the documentation especially carefully if you dont use a debian kenel |
| 11:13.39 | valdyn | mAIJK: yes, very |
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| 11:14.39 | Nethox | Guerin: I tought you must select the ssh shell to cipher the transmission |
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| 11:14.53 | Guerin | Nethox: eh? |
| 11:15.13 | Guerin | Nethox: debian's rsync uses ssh by default. You can make it ultra-secure using rsh or such |
| 11:15.24 | porkpie | guys trying to run this command echo "megaraid_sas" >> /etc/mkinitramfs/modules but I am getting no such file or dir I have checked in the etc dir and there isn't a mkinitramfs ??? |
| 11:15.57 | valdyn | porkpie: so? you dont have a mkinitramfs dir in /etc. What's the issue? |
| 11:16.31 | liable | porkpie: you prolly missed a step /etc/mkinitramfs/mkinitramfs.conf? |
| 11:16.51 | liable | or maybe not.. |
| 11:16.53 | valdyn | liable: he does not have a package installed that creates that directory |
| 11:17.06 | liable | i might just have another beer and shut up |
| 11:17.19 | anisfarhana | what command to install mysql via apt-get ? |
| 11:17.22 | petemc | porkpie: you sure you're not following an ubuntu guide? |
| 11:17.47 | porkpie | valdyn:this is what I am using http://speeves.unt.edu/newindex/?p=125 |
| 11:18.33 | valdyn | porkpie: theres at least 3 packages in debian that can maintain/create your initramfs, only one uses /etc/mkinitramfs for its configuration |
| 11:18.35 | petemc | porkpie: for me, the only thing that could build an initrd for my 1950s was yaird - nothing else worked |
| 11:18.39 | Yamaraj | anisfarhana: apt-cache search mysql will find the package to install. Maybe, apt-get install mysql-server? |
| 11:19.07 | valdyn | porkpie: while all 3 do in fact have/use a modules file in their respective directory iirc |
| 11:19.45 | anisfarhana | Yamaraj: yeah tq |
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| 11:20.02 | porkpie | valdyn:what would the syntax be |
| 11:20.11 | Yamaraj | anisfarhana: No problem. |
| 11:20.12 | valdyn | porkpie: do yo not understand what im saying? |
| 11:20.18 | petemc | porkpie: that blog post is a bum steer |
| 11:20.27 | petemc | even tho you're ignoring me.. |
| 11:20.51 | porkpie | petemc:IC sorry ....how did you get the1950 working |
| 11:21.21 | petemc | porkpie: http://www.mail-archive.com/yoper-dev@lists.yoper.com/msg00492.html |
| 11:21.27 | porkpie | Could you point me in the right direction ....I have been trying to build this for 4 days now |
| 11:22.27 | valdyn | porkpie: dpkg -S /usr/bin/mkinitramfs |
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| 11:23.13 | valdyn | porkpie: you shouldnt follow HOWTOS without understanding what you are doing... |
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| 11:23.57 | valdyn | porkpie: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs |
| 11:24.12 | petemc | valdyn: i dont believe he has a full install on the machine yet |
| 11:24.23 | valdyn | petemc: oh |
| 11:25.06 | petemc | poweredge 1950 and 2950s make you jump through all sorts of hoops |
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| 11:26.00 | speeves | porkpie: you shouldn't have to use mkinitramfs fix with the ISO from Kenji's site |
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| 11:26.14 | speeves | those are only for straight etch installs |
| 11:26.23 | tralala | !lart poweredge 1950 |
| 11:26.25 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.17 |
| 11:26.26 | ArtVandalae | Hi, I've plugged in a portable HDD (via USB), will this be under /dev/sd*? |
| 11:26.29 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 11:26.30 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 11:26.30 | porkpie | speeves:ah OK |
| 11:27.02 | porkpie | speeves:thanks |
| 11:27.04 | speeves | porkpie: i believe that mkinitramfs is not installed on sarge... (is this right?) |
| 11:27.06 | cyzie | hello, i have a debian box and a lot of users have a their home directory. Due to all of them using windows, is it possible for the users to mount their home dir to the windows laptop ? |
| 11:27.26 | speeves | porkpie: did you reboot and get the kernel panic unable to mount fs? |
| 11:27.34 | porkpie | not yet |
| 11:27.40 | tralala | cyzie: yes, if you install and configure samba |
| 11:27.40 | speeves | k |
| 11:27.41 | porkpie | just rebooting |
| 11:27.48 | speeves | let us know if you do |
| 11:27.57 | porkpie | ok |
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| 11:28.00 | cyzie | tralala, is there any quick howto or step by step ?? |
| 11:28.31 | tralala | cyzie: /msg dpkg samba |
| 11:28.35 | porkpie | sucess |
| 11:28.53 | onurx | onurx:/msg dpkg samba |
| 11:29.06 | porkpie | speeves:speeve with the 64t kernel |
| 11:29.16 | tralala | onurx: talking to yourself makes you look weird |
| 11:29.51 | onurx | tralala:I just try bot:) |
| 11:30.20 | tralala | onurx: then you nave to type /msg at the _very_ beginning of the line |
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| 11:30.33 | ArtVandalae | How can I tell which device my external SB hard drive enclosure is? |
| 11:30.46 | ArtVandalae | I've done lsusb and it seems to have detected it, I just need to find where under /dev it is |
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| 11:30.58 | tralala | ArtVandalae: check the output of dmsg |
| 11:31.05 | onurx | tralala:I wonder what would happen , if I put my name at the beginning... |
| 11:31.08 | tralala | dmesg that is |
| 11:31.48 | tralala | onurx: you will end up talking to yourself and looking weird |
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| 11:32.00 | tralala | oh, wait - you already did it |
| 11:32.07 | dererk[w]_away | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.54 | onurx | tralala:I am talking to you right now , I dont want to seem weird:( |
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| 11:33.30 | tralala | onurx: okay, don't panic - I was just joking |
| 11:33.46 | tralala | JimPanic: not you, mmmkay? |
| 11:34.08 | onurx | tralala:okey |
| 11:34.11 | porkpie | speeves:OK ...there are some issues .... |
| 11:34.14 | JimPanic | D: |
| 11:34.24 | JimPanic | la la la |
| 11:36.19 | porkpie | speeves:the nic it not operating correctly ...i.e I can't connect to an ftp site |
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| 11:37.29 | enouf | speeves: /msg dpkg info initramfs-tools |
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| 11:39.55 | leOn | hello |
| 11:40.54 | cydork | !greet leOn |
| 11:40.55 | dpkg | Tag, leOn |
| 11:41.13 | tralala | dpkg: wb |
| 11:41.13 | dpkg | thanks, tralala. It's good to be back. |
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| 11:43.46 | mynullvoid | I got bind9 running on my machine which have 3 NIC, I can't get it listen to eth0 |
| 11:43.46 | cydork | ls |
| 11:43.55 | cydork | damn |
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| 11:44.42 | Guerin | !ls |
| 11:44.43 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
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| 11:46.03 | eml | !ls C: |
| 11:46.06 | eml | Hrr :P |
| 11:46.07 | petemc | mynullvoid: bind should listen on all interfaces by default - have you changed anything? |
| 11:46.32 | sarefo | hi, i have an ati radeon 9800pro card which i would like to configure with two monitors. is there an easy way to do this in etch (eg, graphical frontend)? |
| 11:46.53 | Guerin | debian doesn't do graphical frontends |
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| 11:47.22 | sarefo | didn't know that this rule was set in stone ;) |
| 11:47.28 | Guerin | well |
| 11:47.32 | Guerin | it's not |
| 11:47.33 | mynullvoid | petemc: no I just add view param inside |
| 11:47.38 | sarefo | so, is there an easy way to do it without a graphical frontend? |
| 11:47.47 | Guerin | it's just that none of them tend to get packaged, because they're all generally shit |
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| 11:48.04 | Guerin | sarefo: i think you might want to google xinerama |
| 11:48.18 | mynullvoid | petemc: when I nslookup, I use the eth0 IP and still it can't resolve |
| 11:48.23 | jzu_ | http://low.fi/~jussi/menuconfig.txt - I tryed to enter manuconfig to setup kernel, does anyone know what is wrong? |
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| 11:48.36 | sarefo | well, the reason why i have a working debian for the first time in six years is that it configures the hardware by itself now. |
| 11:49.09 | sarefo | so i thought maybe it even got that far :) i'll check xinerama, thx. i had it working on suse 9.1, but it was a really *bad* hack. |
| 11:49.24 | leOn | sarefo: better late than never ... |
| 11:49.33 | petemc | mynullvoid: you're trying from another machine? did you allow recursion? |
| 11:49.42 | sarefo | apt-get is so cool :) |
| 11:49.50 | liable | gnome and kde have tons of shit graphical front ends |
| 11:50.09 | leOn | mynullvoid: i'd say you're lacking of some development packages |
| 11:50.15 | leOn | such as glibc-dev ? |
| 11:50.18 | leOn | =P |
| 11:50.48 | leOn | or should i say libc6-dev |
| 11:51.14 | liable | sarefo: ouch, six years of trying? |
| 11:51.52 | mynullvoid | please have a look: http://paste.debian.net/14162 |
| 11:52.26 | leOn | ops |
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| 11:52.38 | leOn | went to the wrong guy |
| 11:52.54 | leOn | jzu_: try installing libc6-dev |
| 11:53.28 | petemc | mynullvoid: you have a listen-on directive, that isnt default, and you said all you changed was a view |
| 11:53.50 | mynullvoid | petemc: I follow from a sample |
| 11:53.59 | jzu_ | leOn: done, now it gives this: http://low.fi/~jussi/menuconfig2.txt |
| 11:54.12 | jzu_ | leOn: installing libc6-dev solved first errors but not it gives that |
| 11:54.17 | petemc | mynullvoid: my advice would be to try to understand what you're using, do a little research before implementing it |
| 11:54.17 | mynullvoid | petemc: I am running shorewall in the machine, as well as bind |
| 11:54.24 | petemc | thats great.. |
| 11:54.25 | jzu_ | leOn: so, what package I miss now =) |
| 11:54.30 | cydork | !b-e jzu_ |
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| 11:54.30 | dpkg | jzu_: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 11:54.48 | mynullvoid | petemc: it's bind9 - please enlighten which part I should look into |
| 11:55.01 | petemc | mynullvoid: cant you read what i said? |
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| 11:55.37 | petemc | mynullvoid: listen-on { 127.0.0.1 ; 192.168.2.1; }; - what do you think this does? |
| 11:55.44 | jzu_ | ah, it needed libncurses5-dev |
| 11:55.47 | jzu_ | now I'm in menuconfig :) |
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| 11:56.19 | mynullvoid | petemc: only running on that IP? |
| 11:56.29 | tralala | jzu_: are you sure you really want to compile your own kernel? |
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| 11:57.00 | tralala | mynullvoid: software runs on computers, not on IPs |
| 11:57.08 | mynullvoid | ok |
| 11:57.20 | tralala | why do you want bind9? |
| 11:57.24 | Braindead | tralala: you have to compile your own kernel if you wanna be a MAN |
| 11:57.24 | sarefo | liable: no ;) i used suse for six years or more now, and tried debian twice, but could not get it to run properly. |
| 11:57.31 | jzu_ | tralala: hahah =) |
| 11:57.36 | jzu_ | tralala: that was good joke ;> |
| 11:57.39 | jzu_ | tralala: yeah, I'm sure |
| 11:57.43 | Braindead | tralala: real men roll up their kernels. debian images are for wussies |
| 11:57.45 | jzu_ | tralala: I'm running sparc64 |
| 11:58.03 | jzu_ | I don't wanna use stock kernel cause it has PCI, ISA and other shit |
| 11:58.12 | jzu_ | my Sun doesent have such things |
| 11:58.13 | tralala | jzu_: and debian doesn't have sparc64 kernels? |
| 11:58.20 | liable | sarefo: its pretty friendly now, give it another shot |
| 11:58.26 | jzu_ | tralala: has, but I dont need PCI/IDE support since my machine doesent have such things |
| 11:58.28 | tralala | Braindead: this has to go to qotd |
| 11:58.31 | wols | Braindead: and they then come in here like little kids and ask "the damn thing doesn't work. it's crap" when they made the inevitable errors |
| 11:58.37 | Braindead | yeah it's gonna slow you down...put some rear wings to the case it will make your machine go faster |
| 11:59.07 | Braindead | jzu_: a blue neon inside the case should help |
| 11:59.08 | liable | wols: be nice or go chill dude :) |
| 11:59.39 | tralala | as someone here said "compiling kernels is soooo 20th century" |
| 11:59.40 | wols | liable: have you said something you good for nothing do gooder with nothing better to do than to tell others how to life their life???!!!?? |
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| 12:00.05 | liable | wols: you just made my head explode :( |
| 12:00.18 | tralala | !confuse liable |
| 12:00.18 | dpkg | No, them are our weasel tomorrow, liable? trousers of the dictatorship of swaziland with extra cheese |
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| 12:00.35 | alexdimes | !seen Dominicano |
| 12:00.36 | dpkg | dominicano <n=knoppix@201.229.131.59> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 21d 6h 2m 33s ago, saying: 'teardrop-afk ok, thanks'. |
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| 12:00.50 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 12:00.51 | Braindead | weasels ripped my flesh! I don't think firefox should be renamed after weasels,they're evil little creatures |
| 12:01.12 | mynullvoid | petemc: thank you |
| 12:01.14 | cydork | Braindead: that's why we like them :P |
| 12:01.15 | h3sp4wn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.28 | tralala | Braindead: they will be well frozen, don't worry |
| 12:01.47 | Braindead | mmm frozen weasels on a stick. yummy |
| 12:01.55 | Guerin | !love |
| 12:01.55 | sarefo | erm, did i miss something? i thought XFree 4.0 was new, etch gives me version number 7? |
| 12:01.55 | dpkg | Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. |
| 12:02.13 | Guerin | I *think* that's the origin of iceweasel |
| 12:02.17 | perlmonkey | anyone else noticed bugs/probs with Gaim (crashing on file transfers)? |
| 12:02.23 | liable | ah, you cant go wrong with a quote from homer |
| 12:02.27 | Guerin | perlmonkey: yeah, gaim is shit. Noticed years ago. |
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| 12:02.41 | perlmonkey | whats the alternative? |
| 12:02.47 | eml | IRC! |
| 12:02.49 | Guerin | perlmonkey: http? |
| 12:02.50 | perlmonkey | heh |
| 12:03.01 | Guerin | perlmonkey: not transmitting files over IM clients is the alternative. |
| 12:03.05 | tralala | perlmonkey: I was about to say that I've notice problems with it long ago thus I'm not using it, but I guess Guerin got me on this one |
| 12:03.18 | cydork | leOn: no need. debian has modules |
| 12:03.24 | Guerin | perlmonkey: it's part of the windows philosophy of making perfectly good tools do things they're not supposed to. |
| 12:03.29 | h3sp4wn | perlmonkey: use an irc to im gateway and then just an irc client |
| 12:03.31 | perlmonkey | how do you guys communicate with MSN users? |
| 12:03.35 | Guerin | file transfers over im |
| 12:03.37 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 12:03.41 | Guerin | playing media in a web browser |
| 12:03.41 | speeves | porkpie: did you get the nic fixed? |
| 12:03.44 | Guerin | html email |
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| 12:03.49 | pia | hi |
| 12:03.52 | liable | perlmonkey: with our botnets :) |
| 12:03.53 | Guerin | i can list dozens of such abominations |
| 12:03.59 | liable | lolz |
| 12:04.01 | leOn | cydork: that was in the days of kernel 1.2.13, where i had a 386 with only 2 megs of ram |
| 12:04.07 | leOn | =) |
| 12:04.12 | cydork | leOn: :P |
| 12:04.15 | Guerin | perlmonkey: i use irssi to run all my communications |
| 12:04.20 | pia | my xorg server complains about missing modules: "Bitmap, pcidata". What can I do? |
| 12:04.27 | Guerin | perlmonkey: does it work? |
| 12:04.30 | perlmonkey | i want irssi too |
| 12:04.34 | Guerin | pia: does it work? |
| 12:04.44 | Guerin | perlmonkey: you, too, can have irssiness! |
| 12:04.49 | perlmonkey | :-} |
| 12:04.50 | liable | eww |
| 12:04.56 | liable | sounds messy |
| 12:05.00 | Braindead | is it like irsuteness? |
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| 12:05.05 | Guerin | heh |
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| 12:05.16 | Guerin | irssitis is what you're thinking of |
| 12:05.17 | perlmonkey | i cant have it :-/ its not available as a package in stable ;-( |
| 12:05.28 | wols | perlmonkey: look harder |
| 12:05.30 | liable | perlmonkey: irssi-text |
| 12:05.30 | Braindead | perlmonkey: irssi-text ? |
| 12:05.33 | perlmonkey | aha |
| 12:05.36 | Guerin | a condition marked by short-sightedness, a permanent hunch and crab-like fingers |
| 12:05.44 | perlmonkey | woohoo |
| 12:06.01 | Braindead | he's already shor sighted,he couldn't find irssi |
| 12:06.02 | wols | Guerin: stop describing me |
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| 12:06.16 | Guerin | wols: heh |
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| 12:06.26 | Guerin | wols: ring that bell, quasi! |
| 12:06.27 | tralala | perlmonkey: not tell all those msn lovers that you can only be contacted through irc |
| 12:06.30 | leOn | Guerin: irssitits? |
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| 12:06.46 | Guerin | leOn: n(.)(.) |
| 12:06.48 | jmd | Is there a way to configure apt to ignore dependencies for selected packages (I mean permanently. Not in the cmd line). |
| 12:06.48 | wols | leOn: being dyslexic is a BAD thing indeed |
| 12:06.49 | perlmonkey | :-] |
| 12:07.07 | wols | jmd: give apt a fake package |
| 12:07.19 | wols | jmd: or stop messing up the package system in the first place |
| 12:07.19 | liable | Guerin: is that a tumor? |
| 12:07.23 | leOn | jmd: that would be a bad thing (tm) |
| 12:07.29 | Guerin | jmd: no. Making apt ifgnore dependencies isn't possible.. They're dependencies because they're NEEDED |
| 12:07.29 | stew | jmd: "/msg dpkg equivs" but you should only do this when you are actually providing the missing packages functionality some other way |
| 12:07.47 | pia | Guerin : any idea what I can do? |
| 12:08.07 | tralala | jmd: all in all - it's a bad idea. Find another way to solve your problem. |
| 12:08.09 | Guerin | pia: you could start by answering my question: does x actually start? |
| 12:08.17 | pia | no, it does not |
| 12:08.29 | pia | it complains about missing modulkes: bitmap and pcidata |
| 12:08.40 | Guerin | pia: grep EE /var/log/X*0.log |
| 12:08.44 | tralala | grep: paste the output of EE /var/log/xorg.log to rafb.net/paste |
| 12:08.55 | tralala | bah |
| 12:08.55 | leOn | i hate xorg ... all it does is complain ... lazy bastard |
| 12:09.01 | jmd | Guerin, Not always. Maintainers are rather cavalier about insisting on recent versions, even when they're not needed. |
| 12:09.03 | leOn | =P |
| 12:09.08 | tralala | pia: paste the output of grep EE /var/log/xorg.log to rafb.net/paste |
| 12:09.24 | pia | I have no webbrowser - just console |
| 12:09.31 | tralala | my alias using skills need improvement |
| 12:09.35 | Guerin | jmd: if you discover such a case, file a bug against it. In my experience it doesn't happen often, though. |
| 12:09.40 | liable | tralala: still wrong, ding ding ding :P |
| 12:09.40 | leOn | pia: use lynx or links |
| 12:09.53 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:09.53 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 12:09.58 | tralala | pia: /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
| 12:10.18 | pia | (EE) failed to load module "bitmap", module does not exist |
| 12:10.24 | pia | same for "pcidata" |
| 12:10.37 | pia | just these 2 lines |
| 12:10.45 | tralala | liable: if it's still wrong it's another set/lack of skills to blame this time |
| 12:11.00 | eml | pia, You could always comment them out in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 12:11.08 | eml | LoadModule "bitmap" and the same with "pcidate" |
| 12:11.10 | pia | will it run? |
| 12:11.24 | leOn | pia: well ... try it and then tell us |
| 12:11.26 | tralala | pia: future will tell, I suppose |
| 12:11.30 | jmd | Guerin, You're joking! Most packages are made with dh_make (or whatever it's called now) and that just looks at whatever version the package maintainer happens to have installed and declares that this package depends upon version X --- even if version 0.001 would have done find. |
| 12:11.36 | jmd | s/find/fine/ |
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| 12:11.40 | eml | !tias |
| 12:11.41 | dpkg | i heard tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 12:11.55 | liable | tralala: dont worry, I lack in many respects, as do prolly most of us, but on the whole, we are unbeatable |
| 12:12.08 | liable | how was that for team spriti! |
| 12:12.17 | liable | i sicken myself at times |
| 12:12.18 | Guerin | jmd: dep versions are USUALLY optional |
| 12:12.22 | liable | time for bed |
| 12:12.22 | tralala | !prize liable |
| 12:12.24 | Guerin | or at least should be |
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| 12:12.49 | tralala | liable: you didn't say what was wrong with it though |
| 12:13.02 | markc | is there a dedicated channel for etch ? |
| 12:13.02 | liable | tralala: a .0 mostly |
| 12:13.29 | liable | tralala: or entirely.. |
| 12:13.50 | tralala | hrm, right - in my defence I may say that I don't use xorg so the log file was a blind guess |
| 12:14.16 | liable | tralala: no excuses, xfree has the .0 :P |
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| 12:14.33 | pia | pcidata and bitmap are not existent in my xorg.conf |
| 12:14.39 | pia | I used grep... |
| 12:14.50 | tralala | pia: use grep -i |
| 12:14.50 | leOn | pia: grep -i ? |
| 12:15.02 | pia | nothing |
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| 12:15.19 | pia | grep -i pcidata /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 12:15.21 | tralala | pia: which debian are you running? |
| 12:15.32 | pia | it's called "Kanotix" |
| 12:15.42 | liable | oh dear |
| 12:15.45 | tarzeau | it's not debian |
| 12:15.50 | Guerin | !kanotix |
| 12:15.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian>, or go to #kanotix |
| 12:15.52 | pia | isn't it? |
| 12:15.56 | Braindead | death to the infidels! |
| 12:15.57 | tarzeau | pia: no |
| 12:15.58 | wols | liable: didn't say anything! ANYTHING! |
| 12:16.06 | tralala | liable: I might miss some 0s but I ask the right questions at the right time ;))) |
| 12:16.07 | alexdimes | kanotix is Debian |
| 12:16.12 | liable | wols: nevar! |
| 12:16.12 | tarzeau | alexdimes: no it's NOT |
| 12:16.13 | Guerin | alexdimes: no. |
| 12:16.20 | wols | alexdimes: please don't speak when you don't have a clue |
| 12:16.22 | Guerin | !notdebian kanotix |
| 12:16.22 | tralala | alexdimes: good, fix it for him |
| 12:16.22 | dpkg | Debian is all about policy. Policy guides everything. kanotix does not have Debian policy, ergo it is not Debian. |
| 12:16.24 | tarzeau | alexdimes: and GAIM is not an IRC CLIENT |
| 12:16.28 | pia | I thought it's 100% compatible |
| 12:16.28 | alexdimes | Ubuntu, knoppix, are Debian,,, |
| 12:16.29 | azeem | wols: that was uncalled for |
| 12:16.34 | tarzeau | wols: oh that was mean |
| 12:16.34 | azeem | wols: educate people, ratehr |
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| 12:16.45 | liable | well, its all well and good, but what is the problem eh? |
| 12:16.47 | Braindead | alexdimes: which part of "STFU n00b!" you didn't understand properly? |
| 12:16.53 | pia | so... what can I do? |
| 12:16.57 | stew | Braindead: stop |
| 12:16.59 | alexdimes | GAIM is not a irc client, but i can connect to the servers trhought it |
| 12:17.00 | Guerin | platitude(volkswagen,porsche) |
| 12:17.01 | Braindead | pia: /j #kanotix |
| 12:17.05 | wols | pia: ask the friendly kanotix people |
| 12:17.08 | Guerin | alexdimes: gaim IS an irc client. |
| 12:17.08 | pia | they have no clue |
| 12:17.14 | tarzeau | Guerin: you mean me :) |
| 12:17.18 | Guerin | alexdimes: otherwise it wouldn't be able to do irc, now would it? |
| 12:17.23 | Braindead | ah so you go asking for help to "the smart debian guys" |
| 12:17.26 | tarzeau | pia: and the contacts on the webpage? |
| 12:17.30 | wols | pia: but they should since they released that software |
| 12:17.34 | pia | no webbrowser |
| 12:17.34 | alexdimes | Guerin: we are right so... |
| 12:17.35 | tarzeau | pia: their developers neither? |
| 12:17.49 | wols | pia: links, lynx, elinks, ... |
| 12:17.59 | h3sp4wn | What is the difference between a debootstrapped sid with the kanotix repo added - and an installed kanotix (the difference technically is almost zero) politically well that is not important |
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| 12:18.01 | stew | pia: we don't have a clue about kanotix either. if it were debian it would be, "aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg-core ; which should ensure you have /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libpcidata.so" if that doesn't work, you are on your own |
| 12:18.06 | tralala | pia: I'll be happy to help you install debian and have a nice working X |
| 12:18.22 | liable | pia: for shits and giggles, do you have xserver-xorg-core installed? |
| 12:18.49 | pseubodot | alexdimes: you can't expect people who don't work on <insert debian derivative system here> to know everything about <insert debian derivative system here>, can you? |
| 12:18.57 | Guerin | h3sp4wn: the difference isn't 'almost zero', as a look at dpkg -l |grep -i {knoppix,kanotix} will show you |
| 12:19.04 | pia | liable, yes |
| 12:19.15 | Guerin | h3sp4wn: trivial stuff like 'init' in there, for a start. |
| 12:19.16 | wols | h3sp4wn: strangely enough pia has "debian" but has missing files which under real debian can't be missing, now what? |
| 12:19.34 | liable | pia: then you need to seek kanotix help :) |
| 12:19.39 | alexdimes | pseubodot: i am sure, that an answer to debian gonna work in kanotix |
| 12:19.39 | tralala | or better yet, install debian |
| 12:19.50 | azeem | running kanotix is totally fine |
| 12:19.51 | pia | the aptitude line does something... |
| 12:19.59 | azeem | you just cannot expect support here |
| 12:20.10 | liable | exactly |
| 12:20.16 | h3sp4wn | Guerin: An installed kanotix /is/ debian unstable (with a few extra packages) |
| 12:20.18 | stew | pia: do you now have a /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libpcidata.so? |
| 12:20.20 | alexdimes | the answer from stew gonna work, in kanotix... |
| 12:20.23 | pseubodot | alexdimes: this isn't the kanotix support channel. period. |
| 12:20.35 | Guerin | h3sp4wn: that certainly wasn't true last time I installed it. |
| 12:20.46 | wols | alexdimes: should mandriva users and even suse users ask for support in #fedora? |
| 12:20.48 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: nonsense |
| 12:20.50 | alexdimes | pseubodot: you are right, she is not in the correct channel, i respect it |
| 12:20.51 | Guerin | h3sp4wn: as per the line I just gave you. |
| 12:20.52 | pseubodot | alexdimes: there are only so many hours in a day, and people here want to work on DEBIAN, not other distros. |
| 12:20.57 | h3sp4wn | Guerin: After dist-upgrading to current |
| 12:20.59 | tralala | alexdimes: instead of arguing what kanotix is and what it isn't you could have helped pia |
| 12:21.08 | pseubodot | alexdimes: alright. |
| 12:21.11 | pia | stew - I'm missing the .s |
| 12:21.12 | alexdimes | wols: I thinl, no |
| 12:21.29 | wols | alexdimes: then whey should debian based distros come here for support? |
| 12:21.31 | alexdimes | wols: sorry, i misspelled, i mean "I think no" |
| 12:21.39 | leOn | pia: does that have xserver-xorg-core ? |
| 12:21.41 | wols | alexdimes: mandrake was a fork of redhat you know |
| 12:21.47 | stew | can we all please drop this discussion, its not going to go anywhere productive |
| 12:21.47 | Guerin | h3sp4wn: not likely, since there are no -KANOTIX versions in debian, so it's dicey whether they get replaced. |
| 12:22.04 | alexdimes | wols: this is the debian support channel. I know that |
| 12:22.18 | pia | OK. I'll leave |
| 12:22.32 | stew | pia: it appears that kanotix's xorg was packaged differently than debian. i suggest you try #kanotix or a mailing list |
| 12:22.50 | Braindead | we could also suggest trying debian |
| 12:23.04 | azeem | we did |
| 12:23.10 | pseubodot | what happened?> |
| 12:23.13 | markc | does debian have a livecd installer yet ? |
| 12:23.22 | tralala | pia: just install debian and if you have any problems you're welcome to ask here |
| 12:23.24 | azeem | markc: no, it doesn't have an official livecd either |
| 12:23.25 | stew | markc: a beta at live.debian.net |
| 12:23.32 | tarzeau | wols: so was suse, wasn't it? |
| 12:23.34 | stew | markc: and yes, unofficial at this point |
| 12:23.45 | tarzeau | alexdimes: not "the" but one |
| 12:23.54 | markc | stew: thanks, just interested to know if there is something on the horizon |
| 12:23.55 | wols | tarzeau: no, not as clear cut as mandrake iirc |
| 12:24.20 | wols | tarzeau: they adopted the RH packaging of course but they did a lot of stuff themselves coming from LST I believe |
| 12:24.23 | tarzeau | wols: there's no linux distribution map of who forked/based their work on others. still is there? |
| 12:24.57 | tarzeau | wols: now that i have a mac and omnigraffle. i've started one in a ascii file... i could try to make one... do you know the windows and unix history maps of levenez.com ? |
| 12:25.05 | Guerin | stew: does the livecd install Real Debian? |
| 12:25.12 | tarzeau | wols: true... rpm was the only thing they took, or was it more? |
| 12:25.44 | wols | tarzeau: hard to tell. it's as usual in the free software world: it's a give and take all the time |
| 12:25.47 | stew | Guerin: actually i dont' think it installs at all, unless you run debootstrap from it, but it is pure debian |
| 12:26.00 | tarzeau | wols: yeah i know |
| 12:26.07 | Guerin | stew: oh, ok. |
| 12:26.09 | tarzeau | wols: it's also the same with the nonfree software world |
| 12:26.15 | tarzeau | wols: a take and maybe give |
| 12:26.30 | tarzeau | wols: there's many vendors i know that use free software (and partly give stuff back) |
| 12:26.31 | stew | Guerin: yeah, read the top of http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 12:26.33 | wols | but I think they made most of their mistakes themselves :) |
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| 12:32.21 | liable | poor bugger |
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| 12:33.21 | Niklas- | Hi. Is there a way to build your own kernel-headers package when compiled your own kerenl? |
| 12:33.48 | liable | Niklas-: if you have compiled a kernel, then you have the headers |
| 12:34.00 | stew | Niklas-: yes, /msg dpkg kp |
| 12:34.05 | leOn | Niklas-: check the kernel-package package |
| 12:34.09 | Braindead | Niklas-: man make-kpkg anyway if you wanna make a package out of it |
| 12:34.19 | Niklas- | yeah i suppose to, but when i install like libncurses5-dev it wants to install the linux-kernel-headers package |
| 12:34.22 | Eulex | Niklas-, the kernel_headers target for make-kpkg produces a package of the kernel headers |
| 12:34.29 | Niklas- | okay thanks :) |
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| 12:34.51 | IndyBC | How can I change the song information (artist, album etc) about a .mp3 file? |
| 12:34.56 | liable | if you used mak without kpkg, then a symlink would prolly suffice to the source |
| 12:35.13 | Guerin | IndyBC: aptitude search id3 |
| 12:35.15 | Eulex | Niklas-, also, if you've got them, but not as a package, you might want to check out /msg dpkg equivs |
| 12:35.30 | Niklas- | okay thanks everyone :) |
| 12:35.45 | IndyBC | Guerin: k, thx |
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| 12:36.24 | valdyn | Niklas-: the linux-kernel-headers package is something else.. |
| 12:38.12 | Niklas- | oh |
| 12:39.02 | valdyn | Niklas-: linux-headers are the interface to kernel features usable by kernel components / kernel modules, linux-kernel-headers defines the interface to kernel features by userspace |
| 12:39.25 | Niklas- | ah okay |
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| 12:39.44 | Niklas- | so it doesn't matter that the linux-kernel-headers kernel version differs from the actualkernel? |
| 12:39.51 | valdyn | Niklas-: right |
| 12:40.00 | Niklas- | cool :D thanks |
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| 12:40.53 | dolly2 | hello |
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| 12:43.25 | Bhavesh | why would system show details for command 'w' first time after logged in but not show any user logged in from second time on? |
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| 12:44.58 | DaBlade | Bhavesh: It's been put under a spell. |
| 12:45.03 | DaBlade | Bhavesh: (Sorry, I don't know :P) |
| 12:45.05 | Bhavesh | hahahah |
| 12:45.17 | Bhavesh | and this is login shell so it should show everything |
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| 12:45.39 | Bhavesh | it does show the right user count but no details of the currently logged on users |
| 12:47.24 | dolly2 | I need a little help with ussdump |
| 12:48.17 | SpamMonkey | :!aptitude search ussdump |
| 12:48.20 | SpamMonkey | oops |
| 12:48.22 | SpamMonkey | not vi! |
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| 12:48.45 | valdyn | dolly2: ussdump is in deba |
| 12:48.48 | valdyn | dolly2: ussdump is in debian? |
| 12:49.17 | SpamMonkey | valdyn: not in the stable tree (just checked) |
| 12:49.28 | valdyn | SpamMonkey: nowhere |
| 12:49.38 | wols | ussdump? dumping us ships not good |
| 12:50.07 | dolly2 | no on son sularis |
| 12:50.25 | valdyn | dolly2: does this channel look like a solaris support channel? |
| 12:51.03 | SpamMonkey | what does a solaris support channel look like? fat blokes with beards and glasses? |
| 12:51.11 | dolly2 | yes the command I us to backup |
| 12:51.20 | dolly2 | I put the command : |
| 12:51.21 | wols | SpamMonkey: that's the op |
| 12:51.51 | dolly2 | ussdump 0uf -/source directory | ussrestore rf - |
| 12:51.53 | wols | dolly2: there are a shitton of people in #solaris. maybe ask them? |
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| 12:52.11 | lukeholt | with the command 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' where exactly does it write this config? It doesn't seem to be going anywhere |
| 12:52.30 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.45 | wols | XF86Config-4 or such |
| 12:52.52 | lukeholt | it should but it doesnt |
| 12:52.59 | stew | !xmd5 |
| 12:53.00 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. See <Xorgmd5> if you are running <Xorg> |
| 12:53.02 | wols | do you get a message at the end? |
| 12:53.39 | lukeholt | dpkg, are you a bot? |
| 12:53.53 | azeem | lukeholt: it is |
| 12:54.20 | Bhavesh | no he is not.. there is a person who types out all that when someone commands him |
| 12:54.22 | Bhavesh | :) |
| 12:54.30 | Guerin | really really fast |
| 12:54.37 | wols | Bhavesh: so how do you like that job? |
| 12:54.39 | Bhavesh | yeah like 1000wpm ;) |
| 12:54.43 | Braindead | chinese boy come cheap these days |
| 12:55.01 | Guerin | Braindead: Garry Glitter, is that you? |
| 12:55.01 | wols | Braindead: "type for your loooong time!" ? |
| 12:55.01 | Braindead | and they can sew football balls while they idle |
| 12:55.01 | Bhavesh | wols: i would love it, if the pay is good and health insurance is included :) |
| 12:55.19 | wols | on itc? for a Free software project? are you kidding? |
| 12:55.22 | Bhavesh | Braindead: or make tshirts |
| 12:55.22 | Braindead | 5 dolla typy typy |
| 12:55.23 | wols | *irc |
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| 12:55.54 | Bhavesh | where do you think all those tshirts with mozilla/debian/GNU/linux advertisements come from? |
| 12:55.59 | Bhavesh | now you know! |
| 12:56.44 | Bhavesh | wols: got any ideas about my question? |
| 12:57.02 | Bhavesh | when i login at console and type 'w' it lists users |
| 12:57.11 | Bhavesh | but only when i do it first time, after that no user listed |
| 12:57.21 | Bhavesh | but it only prints header |
| 12:57.35 | SpamMonkey | Bhavesh: what if you type 'who' rather than w |
| 12:57.50 | wols | does /var/run/utmp changed between the commands? |
| 12:57.52 | SpamMonkey | also, what if you do 'who /var/log/wtmp | head" |
| 12:57.58 | Bhavesh | lemme try |
| 12:58.04 | SpamMonkey | wols: I dont think so but his 'w' command could be borked |
| 12:58.20 | Braindead | maybe he got owned |
| 12:58.36 | Bhavesh | wols nope i typed commands back to back |
| 12:58.48 | Bhavesh | Braindead: it's behind a linksys router with NAT/firewall |
| 12:59.14 | Bhavesh | can i paste three/four lines? |
| 12:59.21 | Guerin | no |
| 12:59.25 | wols | Bhavesh: you know the drill |
| 12:59.27 | SpamMonkey | Bhavesh: run chkrootkit anyway and then just do a "ps -auxxf | awk '{ print $1 }' | sort | uniq" |
| 12:59.31 | Braindead | Bhavesh: arbitrary code execution r0xx0rz your b0xx0rz? |
| 12:59.47 | SpamMonkey | Bhavesh: that should show you the accounts on the system |
| 13:00.05 | Bhavesh | it's getting complicated isn't it? |
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| 13:01.17 | wols | SpamMonkey: here w and who are totally different commands. one is /usr/bin/who, the other is after /etc/alternatives/ /usr/bin/w.procps |
| 13:01.42 | Bhavesh | interesting |
| 13:01.57 | Bhavesh | got three listing, root, bhavesh and "USER" |
| 13:02.02 | SpamMonkey | wols: I'm aware they are different but they should show the same information |
| 13:02.09 | Bhavesh | wait that's the header |
| 13:02.36 | SpamMonkey | wols: you got any ideas on this one? |
| 13:02.41 | wols | SpamMonkey: I thought they were all the same |
| 13:02.50 | wols | nope, sorry |
| 13:03.20 | SpamMonkey | wols: man w ; info coreutils who |
| 13:04.37 | SpamMonkey | Bhavesh: when you run w the first time around who is it showing as being logged on? also, if it does show a username why not check /etc/passwd to see where their home directory is and go from there? |
| 13:04.58 | Bhavesh | SpamMonkey: well i am logged on to that machine at console and i am going throu ssh |
| 13:05.05 | Bhavesh | so right now it would show me listed twice |
| 13:05.33 | Bhavesh | i take that back.. it only shows me listed once |
| 13:05.41 | Bhavesh | the header shows correct user count |
| 13:05.50 | Bhavesh | bhavesh@wolverine:~$ w 09:17:56 up 8 days, 19:32, 2 users, load average: 0.53, 0.20, 0.07 |
| 13:05.54 | Bhavesh | USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT |
| 13:05.56 | Bhavesh | bhavesh pts/1 rogue.rathod.net 09:17 0.00s 0.00s 0.00s w |
| 13:06.24 | terraces | is there another way that -f to force apt-get install ? My apache package is broken so it doesn't want to be removed and I'd like it to be removed |
| 13:06.24 | Bhavesh | and when i type w next time, it will only show me the header, with 2 users |
| 13:06.40 | SpamMonkey | terraces: aptitude remove apache ; aptitude purge -y apache |
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| 13:07.34 | Bhavesh | i think i messed up some kernel option when i recompiled |
| 13:07.46 | SpamMonkey | Bhavesh: I'm stuck on this one I'm afraid |
| 13:07.59 | terraces | thanks SpamMonkey |
| 13:08.06 | wols | terraces: there are errors. show them to us please |
| 13:08.29 | Bhavesh | SpamMonkey: that's alright.. at first i thought it was because i was doing w from a xterm, but it does it even from login shell |
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| 13:15.35 | abrotman | !moo |
| 13:15.36 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 13:15.58 | szaszka | Hi! |
| 13:16.04 | Bhavesh | abrotman: good moorning |
| 13:16.35 | esters | how can i remove gnome completley ? |
| 13:16.46 | stew | !remove gnome |
| 13:16.47 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 13:17.07 | esters | ok thanks :> |
| 13:17.23 | szaszka | I need a file server that is accessible from the Internet just as a samba share on the local network |
| 13:17.31 | tarzeau | esters: why are you removing it? |
| 13:17.36 | szaszka | Can someone suggest me a software to accomplish that? |
| 13:17.43 | esters | tarzeau: going to fluxbox |
| 13:17.45 | tarzeau | szaszka: samba |
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| 13:18.25 | szaszka | tarzeau: I will be able to mount a samba share even is I am not on the local network? |
| 13:18.32 | tarzeau | szaszka: yes |
| 13:19.23 | szaszka | tarzeau: So just browsing a share are not working trough the Internet, the mounting yes, or the browsing is working too? |
| 13:19.49 | Bhavesh | question is why would you want to expose something to the internet? |
| 13:19.55 | tarzeau | szaszka: i don't know, i never use the browsing |
| 13:20.12 | tarzeau | Bhavesh: like what? |
| 13:20.18 | tarzeau | Bhavesh: if you want to share information? |
| 13:20.20 | tralala | how do you backup the partition table? |
| 13:20.28 | tarzeau | tralala: using dd |
| 13:20.29 | szaszka | Bhavesh: Someone from our company wants to work from home |
| 13:20.38 | tarzeau | tralala: but really you'll want more than the partition table |
| 13:21.03 | tarzeau | tralala: an accidental mkfs on ext2/3 partitions removes some stuff you can't restore easily |
| 13:21.14 | tarzeau | tralala: a lost partitiontable can eventually be recovered using gpart |
| 13:21.17 | Bhavesh | szaszka: and they need access to the samba share over the internet? make sure it's all good password protected and secured so not just anyone can see/download it |
| 13:21.21 | tarzeau | (i've used it twice and it worked twice) |
| 13:21.30 | Braindead | szaszka: the answer isn't samba on the internet. the answer is openvpn |
| 13:21.38 | tralala | tarzeau: how long is it? |
| 13:21.43 | tarzeau | Braindead: we have samba on the internet, and it works fine |
| 13:21.43 | abrotman | Bhavesh: you should get a job :) |
| 13:21.55 | Bhavesh | abrotman: i know.. u got one available? :) |
| 13:21.59 | abrotman | !u |
| 13:21.59 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 13:22.06 | Bhavesh | dang it!!! |
| 13:22.08 | abrotman | for someone that can't say "you" .. no :) |
| 13:22.09 | h3sp4wn | szaszka: I would use ipsec instead of openvpn (with the openbsd ikedaemon) |
| 13:22.14 | Bhavesh | hahaha |
| 13:22.21 | Bhavesh | ok s/u/you |
| 13:22.22 | Bhavesh | :) |
| 13:22.30 | szaszka | Thanks for the suggestions for all! |
| 13:22.32 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: and the mac users and the windows users can use it too? |
| 13:22.48 | Bhavesh | i am so sleepy |
| 13:22.54 | Braindead | tarzeau: "it works" is it secure enough? |
| 13:22.55 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: They can pay for a client (they are used to paying for software) |
| 13:23.00 | tarzeau | Braindead: for us, yes it is |
| 13:23.03 | Bhavesh | Braindead: that's where I was headed |
| 13:23.09 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: no they are not used to paying for software |
| 13:23.16 | Bhavesh | can we add defination of !secure to the bot? :) |
| 13:23.18 | Bhavesh | !secure |
| 13:23.18 | dpkg | Linux is secure, at least up to the administrator, heh. |
| 13:23.18 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: and no they don't have to, when it's possible without |
| 13:23.23 | Bhavesh | hahah |
| 13:23.29 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 13:23.29 | dpkg | i heard harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 13:24.09 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: In business - mac users / windows users - should use ipsec - ipsec is the standard |
| 13:24.16 | szaszka | I have to chose a way that offers a simplest mode of use |
| 13:24.22 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: nice. we use ssh |
| 13:24.38 | Braindead | ah *tunneled* SAMBA |
| 13:24.41 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: doesn't work for udp |
| 13:24.49 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: we don't need udp? |
| 13:25.02 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: not everyone has the same needs as "In business" whatever you mean by that |
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| 13:25.23 | tarzeau | Braindead: that's sick, really |
| 13:25.34 | tarzeau | Braindead: most of the people, and most internet connections are very poor |
| 13:25.45 | tarzeau | Braindead: so people work remotely, without downloading/uploading large files |
| 13:25.45 | Bhavesh | what's sick? |
| 13:25.53 | Braindead | tunneling samba over ssh? |
| 13:25.58 | tarzeau | yes |
| 13:26.00 | Bhavesh | i think that's a great idea |
| 13:26.10 | tarzeau | yeah fantastic, when you need 2 gb files |
| 13:26.10 | Bhavesh | or stunnel even |
| 13:26.13 | tarzeau | in istanbul |
| 13:26.21 | tarzeau | really, it's not real life scenario |
| 13:26.33 | Bhavesh | tarzeau: downloading the file would depend how fast is your internet connection |
| 13:26.34 | Braindead | so the fastest way to *work* from home turns out to be VNC/remote desktop |
| 13:26.36 | tarzeau | you can just use scp or rsync |
| 13:26.39 | tarzeau | why smb??? |
| 13:26.40 | Bhavesh | not the transport you are using |
| 13:26.48 | tarzeau | Bhavesh: that's what i've said above, haven't i? |
| 13:26.56 | tarzeau | Bhavesh: true |
| 13:27.12 | tarzeau | but as you know samba has a filesize limit, and cifs doesn't |
| 13:27.14 | wols | Bhavesh: no company would ever want their files on your PC. even if you work for them if they can help it |
| 13:27.16 | Bhavesh | tralala: so tunneling samba over ssh is not so bad, provide scureity |
| 13:27.18 | tarzeau | and you'd rather use cifs and not smb |
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| 13:27.30 | tarzeau | wols: that also. well our company is different |
| 13:27.43 | Bhavesh | wols: i agree.. hack i am trying to make it so all the files even in the OFFICE are stored on a central server rather then each workstation |
| 13:27.45 | wols | tarzeau: aren't you at a uni? |
| 13:27.47 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 13:27.50 | tarzeau | wols: yes |
| 13:28.00 | wols | that's no company :P |
| 13:28.10 | tarzeau | wols: we are a company, and we have customers |
| 13:28.32 | tarzeau | wols: a company of 7 people, and about 500 regular customers and 4000 users |
| 13:28.36 | Braindead | you are a bunch of long haired greasy hippies! ;) |
| 13:28.39 | tarzeau | wols: we have our own finances |
| 13:28.47 | tarzeau | Braindead: yeah right |
| 13:28.52 | wols | ah, you're an outsourced department? |
| 13:29.09 | tarzeau | wols: no we are not outsourced |
| 13:29.19 | tarzeau | wols: but true, it's not exaclty a company |
| 13:29.24 | tarzeau | wols: www.ethz.ch |
| 13:29.26 | Braindead | they're a commune of hippies. they also lick toads |
| 13:29.36 | abrotman | a uni is not a company |
| 13:29.44 | wols | I thought the ethz is owned by zuerich or some gov agency? |
| 13:30.07 | cydork | tarzeau: hey i am testing new monitoring system.. wanna check it out? |
| 13:30.40 | tarzeau | wols: it's switerland wide (bundesbetrieb, see www.admin.ch ) |
| 13:31.00 | tarzeau | wols: it's NOT owned by zurich. the uni zuirch is a regional betrieb (kantonal, zurich) |
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| 13:31.08 | wols | well, the uni is not exactly on 7 people either :) |
| 13:31.20 | tarzeau | wols: we are not the only ones making informatics here, you know |
| 13:31.28 | tarzeau | wols: we just do it for the department of physics and some others |
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| 13:32.43 | bk_ankur | hello friends.. It takes a long time to display the output of 'route' command why it is so after starting ipsec service ? and opposite to that my friends machine gives quick.. ? any suggestion please. |
| 13:32.53 | tarzeau | bk_ankur: try -n |
| 13:33.01 | tarzeau | bk_ankur: if it's alot faster. your dns is slow or borked |
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| 13:35.56 | bk_ankur | tarzeau : thanx friend... my machine trys to get the domain name and thus it takes a lot time |
| 13:36.00 | bk_ankur | thanx to all |
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| 13:36.42 | puzo | hi everyone |
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| 13:40.15 | AnAnt | anyone knows how to hide the menu frame of grub ? |
| 13:41.01 | abrotman | maybe ask #grub |
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| 13:41.56 | AnAnt | well, I noticed that debian made a change to grub (support for splashimage) so, I thought maybe they did something about menu frames |
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| 13:43.19 | jrr | omg imapsync rocks my socks off |
| 13:43.35 | disasm | AnAnt: support for splash image? hasn't that existed for years in debian? |
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| 13:44.23 | AnAnt | disasm: dunno, all I understand is that it is not in the original grub, the official manual says nothing about it |
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| 13:45.17 | Bhavesh | brb |
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| 13:48.33 | cydork | AnAnt: which menu are you talking about? |
| 13:48.41 | AnAnt | cydork: grub menu |
| 13:48.52 | cydork | AnAnt: check the hiddenmenu |
| 13:49.18 | AnAnt | k |
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| 13:53.25 | ViperXL75 | boys |
| 13:53.34 | ViperXL75 | kinda having a hard-time locating the Apache files |
| 13:53.44 | ViperXL75 | it seems to point at /var/www in Debian |
| 13:54.11 | prsr | documentroot points there usually yea |
| 13:54.36 | ViperXL75 | but i created a index.html file in it... but the thing still keeps giving me "Welcome to Apache" |
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| 13:54.41 | ViperXL75 | weird. |
| 13:55.06 | prsr | is it apache 1 or 2? |
| 13:55.08 | spybsd | Hi all |
| 13:55.16 | ViperXL75 | apache2 |
| 13:55.23 | abrotman | ViperXL75: there's a redirect by default |
| 13:55.26 | prsr | i thought apache2 points documentroot to /var/www/apache2 or something like that |
| 13:55.46 | ViperXL75 | lol... ok |
| 13:55.50 | abrotman | it points to /var/www/ .. but the default config has a redirect to the apache2/ dir |
| 13:55.56 | cydork | prsr: to /var/www/apache2-default |
| 13:55.58 | abrotman | so he needs to remove that redirect |
| 13:56.11 | prsr | ah, indeed, don't have a new apache2 install at hand :( |
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| 13:56.41 | ViperXL75 | remove redirect? |
| 13:56.56 | abrotman | look in the apache config .. there's a redirect match or something |
| 13:57.05 | spybsd | i'm trying to have a working configuration of XGL on my etch but i encounter a dbus error |
| 13:57.07 | abrotman | if you make me go look .. i'll be mad .. grrr! |
| 13:57.13 | spybsd | does anyone have an idea? |
| 13:57.16 | abrotman | spybsd: debian is going to use aiglx |
| 13:57.26 | spybsd | yes i knew that |
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| 13:57.29 | abrotman | and there are aiglx packages in sid |
| 13:57.58 | spybsd | really? |
| 13:58.04 | abrotman | really! |
| 13:58.07 | abrotman | and compiz too! |
| 13:58.07 | spybsd | :D |
| 13:58.12 | spybsd | wonderful |
| 13:58.16 | Nethox | Its part of xorg 7.1 |
| 13:58.24 | abrotman | and .. i don't think any single WM is compiled to use them! .. but they're there! |
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| 13:58.38 | spybsd | do i need to update my gnome to ? |
| 13:58.49 | craigevil | compiz seems to play a little nice with gnome than it does with kde |
| 13:58.50 | h3sp4wn | xfce can use aiglx if you turn on the compositor |
| 13:58.50 | abrotman | too |
| 13:58.55 | spybsd | :) |
| 13:59.02 | abrotman | and i don't know .. cutsey stuff should die! |
| 13:59.24 | jetscreamer | i did compiz --replace , and i 'guess' it worked, but i don't know where to go from here |
| 13:59.33 | spybsd | ok thanks i'll have a look |
| 13:59.34 | jetscreamer | something about plugin |
| 14:00.07 | Nethox | Apart from xcompmgr, are there any other composition managers? (not window compositing manager like compiz) |
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| 14:02.13 | enouf | spybsd: what's the dbus error? do this dpkg -l dbus |
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| 14:03.13 | valdyn | Nethox: why should there be one more 'like xcompmgr' ? |
| 14:03.14 | biz | is there any organizer software available that can draw an interactive calendar onto the x11 root window (like a wallpaper) or anything like this? |
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| 14:03.50 | zOrK | how can I nohup or screeing a bittornado term client? |
| 14:03.51 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
| 14:03.52 | Bradmont | anyone know why X would be giving me the fatal error "could not open default font 'fixed'"? |
| 14:03.56 | zOrK | nohup and screen doesn't work! |
| 14:04.01 | valdyn | !fixed |
| 14:04.01 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 14:04.03 | bbelt16ag | yes it does zork |
| 14:04.13 | zOrK | ok |
| 14:04.14 | zOrK | so |
| 14:04.15 | spybsd | enouf: that's Not enough memory to set DbusConnection for use with GLib |
| 14:04.16 | bbelt16ag | zOrK: what client you using for bittorrent |
| 14:04.17 | zOrK | it shud work with: |
| 14:04.21 | Bradmont | valdyn: I've tried that... |
| 14:04.24 | bbelt16ag | i wil link you my setup ok |
| 14:04.26 | Nethox | valdyn: with xcompmgr i get strange visual effects |
| 14:04.45 | zOrK | btdownloadcurses.bittornad |
| 14:04.47 | zOrK | btdownloadcurses.bittornado |
| 14:04.55 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 14:04.55 | zOrK | I've tried with nohup btdownloadcurses.bittornado torrent.torrent & |
| 14:04.58 | zOrK | and it does not worsk |
| 14:05.00 | zOrK | works |
| 14:05.01 | bbelt16ag | dont use that one |
| 14:05.04 | zOrK | ok |
| 14:05.05 | enouf | spybsd: hmmm .. |
| 14:05.05 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 14:05.12 | zOrK | which one shud I use |
| 14:05.15 | bbelt16ag | go to another channel |
| 14:05.18 | valdyn | Nethox: you could try kde's integrated compositing |
| 14:05.18 | jetscreamer | i've heard rtorrent is ok but i dunno |
| 14:05.34 | bbelt16ag | join #bbelt16ag |
| 14:05.37 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.44 | zOrK | cool |
| 14:05.47 | zOrK | I am already in |
| 14:06.00 | Nethox | valdyn: I don't want to change my window manager (icewm), just want composition instead of repainting of windows |
| 14:06.09 | jetscreamer | !icewm++ |
| 14:06.28 | stew | !karma icewm |
| 14:06.28 | dpkg | icewm has karma of 1 |
| 14:06.36 | spybsd | enouf: yep :) |
| 14:06.39 | jetscreamer | but, i was using metacity with icewm |
| 14:06.41 | stew | jetscreamer: looks lie you are the first |
| 14:06.45 | spybsd | it's a kind of nightmare to make it works |
| 14:06.46 | stew | like* |
| 14:07.14 | Nethox | jetscreamer: Is It possible to configure metacity just as composition manager? |
| 14:07.19 | enouf | spybsd: have you googled that error? |
| 14:07.20 | valdyn | Nethox: just to see that the error is not the composite manager |
| 14:07.25 | jetscreamer | and just did a compiz --replace anybody know where i go from here? i want to get there today... |
| 14:07.27 | valdyn | Nethox: no |
| 14:07.33 | mAIJK- | How do I do to autostart an service when I restart my server? |
| 14:07.45 | jetscreamer | Nethox: i dunno |
| 14:07.56 | spybsd | enouf: yes, i even tried few solution that comes up on google but nothing works :'( |
| 14:07.59 | petemc | mAIJK-: the debian default should be to have a daemon autostart when you install it |
| 14:08.38 | valdyn | Nethox: jetscreamer gtk-window-decorator & ; compiz --replace gconf |
| 14:08.46 | valdyn | jetscreamer: gtk-window-decorator & ; compiz --replace gconf |
| 14:09.08 | jetscreamer | is the ; supposed to be there? |
| 14:09.31 | valdyn | jetscreamer: well, it was, i think its not required though |
| 14:10.19 | jetscreamer | E: Couldn't find package gtk-window-decorator |
| 14:10.30 | valdyn | jetscreamer: that isnt a package |
| 14:10.33 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 14:10.53 | jetscreamer | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;' |
| 14:10.53 | h3sp4wn | mAIJK-: sometimes a daemon may have to be enabled from /etc/defaults/packagname - or it won't start |
| 14:10.54 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 14:11.01 | Bradmont | so there are no other ideas about my 'fixed' font problem? |
| 14:11.10 | valdyn | !fixed |
| 14:11.11 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 14:11.23 | Bradmont | valdyn: I've tried all that already |
| 14:11.31 | valdyn | Bradmont: that factoid is good, you should tell us which X you run and which error shows in your log |
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| 14:11.50 | Bradmont | valdyn: I'm running the current xorg in unstable |
| 14:12.07 | Bradmont | there are no errors in my xorg log |
| 14:12.09 | jetscreamer | well it didn't error out ... doesn't look decorative though |
| 14:12.18 | Bradmont | except "Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'" |
| 14:12.39 | Nethox | valdyn: the line you typed is for using compiz with metacity look? |
| 14:12.47 | valdyn | Bradmont: grep -i font /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 14:12.47 | Bradmont | that's xorg 7.1.0-1 |
| 14:13.03 | valdyn | Nethox: nope, its for using compiz |
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| 14:13.36 | enouf | spybsd: maybe recompile Glib and try again ... see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Glibc2-HOWTO.gz ... good luck with that :-p |
| 14:13.46 | kantlivelong | anyone here have a good proxy server they can suggest for simple http(s)? remote too |
| 14:13.51 | valdyn | enouf: glib isnt glibc |
| 14:13.52 | spybsd | enouf: i'll try |
| 14:14.03 | enouf | valdyn: whoops |
| 14:14.06 | Bradmont | valdyn: hmm... should /usr/share/fonts/X11/* be in there? |
| 14:14.15 | enouf | crap |
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| 14:14.20 | Bradmont | right now only stuff in /usr/X11R6/... are there |
| 14:14.24 | enouf | spybsd: apologies |
| 14:14.27 | valdyn | Bradmont: i dont know if you can use * there |
| 14:14.32 | zOrK | bbelt16ag, sorry, how was the screen command to re-open it? |
| 14:14.34 | Nethox | valdyn: thanks but It's not what i am looking for. Anyways I'll try compiz to see if the error is the comp manager or the fglrx driver (radeon (DRI) doesn't have 3D aceleration support for my card at the moment). |
| 14:14.43 | spybsd | enouf : no p |
| 14:14.45 | Bradmont | valdyn: sorry, I didn't mean that literally, I just didn't want to type out the subdirs |
| 14:14.46 | valdyn | Bradmont: the line that must be there is /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc |
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| 14:16.15 | Bradmont | valdyn: sweet, that fixed it; thanks a lot :) |
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| 14:18.42 | valdyn | kantlivelong: you should use your isps proxy |
| 14:18.52 | valdyn | kantlivelong: or none at all really |
| 14:19.05 | kantlivelong | valdyn: its so my cellphone can bypass the "charged" proxy... |
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| 14:22.06 | esteel | hi.. can someone tell me if there are netinstaller with kernel 2.6.18 available? i can't find anyone.. |
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| 14:22.51 | spybsd | esteel: i fi remember well the last kernel for netinst is 2.6.17 |
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| 14:23.35 | cydork | esteel: there is none with 2.6.18 |
| 14:24.38 | enouf | spybsd: wel . this file /etc/dbus-1/session.conf seems to indicate the use of /tmp - which may have limited resources allocated .. and dbus resources can also be adjusted .. if you type 'mount' you may notice something like this "tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=10M,mode=0755)" - maybe can increase the 10M to something larger |
| 14:25.00 | esteel | cydork: hmm too bad, my laptop seems to have problems with 2.6.17 and older kernels.. |
| 14:25.11 | cydork | esteel: what problem? |
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| 14:25.38 | esteel | eht0/1 are there but i can't use them.. "network unreachable" |
| 14:26.27 | craigevil | esteel how do you connect? |
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| 14:27.11 | Bhavesh | are eth0/1 configured correctly? |
| 14:27.40 | esteel | cydork, craigevil: 100mbit lan.. when i use a livecd with 2.6.18 everything just works fine.. |
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| 14:27.53 | craigevil | what livecd? |
| 14:27.55 | esteel | Bhavesh: it looks like everything is fine.. |
| 14:27.56 | spybsd | enouf: i don't have size set by default to my tmpfs |
| 14:28.02 | esteel | sabayon.. |
| 14:28.10 | esteel | it was the first livecd i found with 2.6.18 :) |
| 14:28.19 | enouf | spybsd: hmm .. back to square 1 for me :-0 |
| 14:28.20 | ViperXL75 | lol |
| 14:28.24 | craigevil | the newest Kanotix comes with 2.6.18 |
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| 14:28.36 | Eulex | esteel, what network card and what driver? |
| 14:28.43 | cydork | esteel: which card is it? |
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| 14:28.46 | ViperXL75 | during my noobish quest through FTP/Apache2 server |
| 14:29.09 | esteel | a e100 card.. and e100 driver |
| 14:29.25 | ViperXL75 | I came to realize that i bumped into an annoying issue... I can't FTP using the "root" account..... but only the "root" account can create files that i can see in my Apache Website |
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| 14:29.58 | Nethox | esteel: do you configure the network manually or with /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 14:30.09 | ViperXL75 | so i either need to create files using other accounts that root/Apache2 can see, or i should fix a way so that Apache can read other files too made by other users |
| 14:30.11 | Eulex | ViperXL75, your ftp server software is set up to not allow logins from root... which is a good thing (tm) |
| 14:30.14 | ViperXL75 | which is easier? |
| 14:30.30 | enouf | spybsd: how much system RAM do you have .. and how much if any is allocated to the Video? is it Onboard Video? |
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| 14:30.42 | esteel | Nethox: netinstaller + dhcp |
| 14:30.47 | ViperXL75 | Eulex: indeed... but... how do i tell Apache2 read files uploaded in that directory? |
| 14:31.01 | Eulex | ViperXL75, uploaded in what directory? |
| 14:31.22 | spybsd | enouf: i have 1Gb of RAM with a TI4200 |
| 14:31.44 | spybsd | and i think almost 64Mb are allocated to video |
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| 14:32.01 | Eulex | esteel, pastebin your /etc/networking/interfaces file |
| 14:32.04 | enouf | spybsd: ahh .. ok .. when you drxx-ed di you set aside an amount of VRAM? .. 128MB perhaps |
| 14:32.05 | roberts | I really hope it gets renamed "FreerFox", even though similarities to Mozilla Corporation's trademark will likely prohibit that name. FreeFox or FreerFox let's people know it's basically FireFox while emphasizing the fact that no copywritten material is contained within the package (in addition to complying with Mozilla Corp's understandable trademark protection). |
| 14:32.22 | enouf | spybsd: I see |
| 14:32.25 | cydork | !iceweasel |
| 14:32.25 | Nethox | esteel: have you check route -n for the destination host/network you try to connect to? |
| 14:32.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, iceweasel is due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. iceweasel is a likely candidate: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/, or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 |
| 14:32.58 | enouf | spybsd: are you using the kernel's frame buffer? I hope not |
| 14:33.20 | spybsd | no i'm using the nvidia module compiled into my 2.6.18 kernel from nvidia |
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| 14:33.42 | esteel | Eulex: moment, have to boot the laptop and take a look at it.. |
| 14:33.49 | enouf | spybsd: ok .. I see -- ahh . 2.6.18 ? hmm |
| 14:34.17 | lacostej | Hi. I've changed the locales in /etc/environment, but it seems that some accounts (including root) are not affected. If I do su - root and locale, LANG is POSIX |
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| 14:35.09 | enouf | spybsd: oh well .. that's all I got .. sorry - I got a cheap old tnt2 lol .. whopping 32MB |
| 14:35.25 | Eulex | lacostej, tried selecting your locale with dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
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| 14:35.37 | enouf | spybsd: though that ti4200 ain't too far ahead :-p |
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| 14:36.43 | spybsd | enouf: don't worry i'll try aiglx :p |
| 14:37.00 | enouf | spybsd: and there ya go.. |
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| 14:40.07 | lacostej | Eulex: I did dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales. But my jboss service seems to keep using POSIX LANG. I've solved the issue by adding export LANG=... to the /home/jboss/.bash_profile, but that feels like hackish |
| 14:40.25 | abrotman | are oyu trying to set the default for everyone? |
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| 14:41.24 | lacostej | abrotman I want everyone, including the daemon, to have the same locale settings |
| 14:41.36 | abrotman | so pick the default to be what you want |
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| 14:42.10 | lacostej | I did using dpkg-reconfigure. But my jboss service keeps using POSIX |
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| 14:43.11 | abrotman | lacostej: what did you pick for your default locale ? |
| 14:43.23 | esteel | Eulex: allow-hotplug eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 14:43.50 | Kernel_Core | hi all |
| 14:43.52 | Kernel_Core | I remotely manage some linux boxes , sometimes I have to upgrade Kernel , if kernel fails , I have to go the site and reboot machines manually and boot the machine with last working kernel , is there any way in grub that reboot machine if kernel failed , and boot with the kast working kernel ? |
| 14:44.07 | esteel | the strange thing is that neigher debian netinstaller not knoppix work with the network card.. but this sabayon live cd with kernel 2.6.18 does.. |
| 14:44.10 | lacostej | abrotman: no_NO.UTF-8 |
| 14:44.13 | ph- | Debian unstable - apache2 is at version 2.3 yet libapache2-mod-php4/libapache2-mod-php5 are "apache 2.0 modules". Also, apache 2.3 wants apache2-mpm-worker yet libapache2-mod-php5 wants apache2-mpm-prefork. How exactly are you supposed to get apache2 + mod_php working in Unstable? |
| 14:44.16 | bonez39 | I can boot my debian 3.1 system....to a point, where it says Freeing unused kernel memory: 132k freed after this point it just hangs...proceeding NO FURTHER |
| 14:44.26 | Eulex | esteel, that's the only contents? |
| 14:44.27 | bonez39 | what might cause it to hang? |
| 14:44.29 | esteel | either it does something better then knoppix and the debian installer or its the kernel after all |
| 14:44.48 | abrotman | lacostej: but jboss is using C ? |
| 14:44.52 | esteel | Eulex: no.. the typical auto lo and iface lo inet lookback is there too |
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| 14:45.10 | esteel | Eulex: that the /etc/network/interfaces the debian installer produced.. |
| 14:45.10 | Eulex | esteel, auth eth0 too? |
| 14:45.16 | esteel | nope |
| 14:45.22 | lacostej | abrotman: if I log into root using su -, locale will show LANG="POSIX" |
| 14:45.35 | Eulex | esteel, well, no wonder it doesn't bring upi your network card |
| 14:45.39 | Eulex | *up |
| 14:45.40 | ton | how can i change my ip address in debian ? |
| 14:45.42 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 14:45.46 | abrotman | !tell ton about interfaces |
| 14:45.47 | lacostej | abrotman: and jboss as well as the jboss daemon is started using su - jboss -c ... |
| 14:46.23 | esteel | Eulex: hmm just line 'auth eth0' ? i'll try it.. |
| 14:46.38 | Eulex | esteel, yes. then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 14:46.45 | ton | what file should i edit to change my ip static ? |
| 14:46.50 | Nethox | esteel: check ifconfig and route -n... |
| 14:46.52 | spybsd | ton: man interfaces |
| 14:47.01 | Eulex | ton, dpkg just told you about it |
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| 14:48.01 | kml | hi, whats the name of the package contains the "make" program? |
| 14:48.05 | daveyb | For some reason if i leave my laptop for a couple of minutes my wifi card turns off and loses signal. :/ anyideas why, I am using the ndiswrapper. |
| 14:48.08 | Bhavesh | kml: make |
| 14:48.18 | cydork | !b-e kml |
| 14:48.18 | dpkg | kml: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 14:48.28 | esteel | Nethox: moment.. i'll try it |
| 14:49.07 | daveyb | Well actually it doesn't turn of but the settings seem to be lost when I do iwconfig, but as soon as i do iwlist scan wlan0 it connects again :P |
| 14:49.08 | kml | whats is build-essential? |
| 14:49.30 | kml | do i need it? |
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| 14:49.52 | Nethox | daveyb: try iwconfig <interface> power off |
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| 14:50.52 | daveyb | kml, do you plan on building packages within debian if so then it is important. |
| 14:50.57 | Nethox | daveyb: are you sure you have good signal or It's just what your driver shows? |
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| 14:51.07 | daveyb | Nethox, power management was already off. |
| 14:51.09 | kml | i did the base install so i need to apt-get some dev packages for compiling things |
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| 14:51.19 | kml | i see |
| 14:51.40 | daveyb | Nethox, don't know how to check my signal but it should be good, the wifi router is just downstairs |
| 14:51.41 | Braindead | kml: define "things" |
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| 14:51.59 | Braindead | "something like things and stuff" isn't an answer |
| 14:52.17 | Nethox | daveyb: is it a laptop? |
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| 14:53.06 | daveyb | Nethox, yer it is. |
| 14:53.54 | Nethox | daveyb: get near the router and repeat the test, some drivers don't meassure the signal levels correctly |
| 14:54.29 | kml | kernel and source programs like vmware, apache and etc... |
| 14:54.33 | daveyb | Nethox, how do i check my signal strength? |
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| 14:55.23 | Nethox | daveyb: with a spectrum analizer... or trusting your driver |
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| 14:57.26 | Bhavesh | Nethox: and one is cheaper then other i am guessing :) |
| 14:57.40 | daveyb | Nethox, I will leave it to cutt out, can't see what could be doing this. |
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| 14:58.25 | kml | what is kernel-tree is use for and do i need it for compiling the kernel? |
| 14:59.09 | daveyb | Nethox, the strange thing is that it seems to lose the essid in iwconfig i assigned to it as well when it pings out, but when I scan using iwlist scanning, it instantly finds it :P |
| 14:59.18 | Nethox | daveyb: if the windows driver is bad, ndiswrapper won't make it work better, I don't know what driver are you using, but getting near the router removes a potencial cause |
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| 14:59.39 | daveyb | Nethox, if i still experience problems i might try a different driver |
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| 14:59.46 | esteel | Eulex, Nethox: hmm during the installation phase i can not edit /etc/networkinterfaces and i can't complete it without network.. guess i need the whole cd set.. route -n only has '192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 14:59.53 | esteel | when i add the default route its no help.. |
| 14:59.55 | Nethox | daveyb: what you say about SSID is the indication of disassociation |
| 14:59.59 | esteel | i just get network not reachable.. |
| 15:00.09 | dimitri | question, if 'mail -s subject rcp' stucks the prompt knowing that yesterday it was fine, what can it be ? |
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| 15:01.01 | daveyb | Kml: yes it is needed |
| 15:01.23 | daveyb | kml, it is used to stop discrepencys between the kernel modules and sources etc, it is very useful indeed |
| 15:01.31 | Nethox | esteel: your route -n output doesn't have a default gateway route |
| 15:01.45 | esteel | <esteel> when i add the default route its no help.. |
| 15:01.45 | esteel | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.56 | esteel | ohh.. |
| 15:02.02 | esteel | sorry misunderstood you :) |
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| 15:02.16 | godzirra | Does debian have issues detecting SATA drives on install? |
| 15:02.21 | godzirra | I'm trying to install it now and it doesnt see my raid. |
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| 15:02.38 | esteel | hmm no i did not.. route add default eth0 does not help either |
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| 15:02.46 | Braindead | godzirra: I suppose you're already using kernel 2.6 to install |
| 15:03.07 | godzirra | Braindead: I'm using the newest net install disk (downloaded about... I dunno.. 4 days ago?) |
| 15:03.11 | godzirra | Does that come with 2.6 by default? |
| 15:03.15 | godzirra | or do I have to boot it in a special awy? |
| 15:03.16 | godzirra | way |
| 15:03.17 | daveyb | godzirra, most of the new versions of debian support SATA |
| 15:03.57 | dolly2 | I need a little help with NTFS support |
| 15:04.03 | Nethox | esteel: /etc/resolv.conf has the correct DNS? In LAN it shouldn't matter anyways |
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| 15:05.09 | Nethox | daveyb: I think it can be bad signal or buggy driver/80211 stack/firmware |
| 15:05.16 | _Placid | Hi all. I have a question related to CPU temp (output of `acpi -Bt`). At the moment, it's running at 60 (avg.), is this dangerous (stats say 67-70 is highest for a Intel Celeron). My question is would i have a lower temp if X was using my GPU as opposed to software rendering? |
| 15:05.49 | esteel | Nethox: should not have anything to do with 'network is unreachable'.. |
| 15:05.53 | daveyb | godzirra, to install 2.6 kernel when you install your OS, at the boot prompt just type Linux26 |
| 15:06.16 | godzirra | daveyb: thanks. trying that now. |
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| 15:06.34 | _Placid | The reason i'm asking here is that i have a debian sid installation on my laptop, and running 1024x768 in Xorg gives me higher temps than 800x600 |
| 15:07.13 | Nethox | esteel: yes.. |
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| 15:08.06 | daveyb | Nethox, thanks for your help, you have given me some ideas and avenues to explore. |
| 15:08.35 | daveyb | brb reb00t |
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| 15:09.07 | godzirra | Even when booting with linux26 it didnt do anything. |
| 15:09.10 | godzirra | well, it booted up |
| 15:09.14 | godzirra | but still didnt find any partitionable media |
| 15:09.23 | godzirra | do I need to load anything special because its using a raid setup in the bios? |
| 15:09.40 | Braindead | godzirra: you don't wanna mess with fake-raid shitty sata controllers |
| 15:09.49 | iostream | Hi. can anyone tell me to whom mdadm (in monitor mode) sends mails to? root? |
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| 15:10.16 | godzirra | Braindead: they aren't fake raid :) its a huge chenbro server with a SATA raid setup for 6 hot swappable drives. |
| 15:10.22 | Braindead | AH |
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| 15:10.57 | godzirra | but it s still not detecting the drives |
| 15:11.02 | godzirra | and I -really- dont want to install fedora. :p |
| 15:11.34 | prsr | what controller do you use godzirra? |
| 15:11.44 | godzirra | i'm checking now. |
| 15:11.54 | godzirra | its an intel one, but i'm trynig to find out specificaclly. |
| 15:11.58 | abrotman | lspci |
| 15:11.59 | godzirra | abrotman: Probably. |
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| 15:12.10 | abrotman | !tell godzirra about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 15:12.11 | h3sp4wn | godzirra: have you tried the debian installer with 2.6.16 (backport) |
| 15:12.44 | prsr | hmmkay, if it was 3ware controller they have custom sarge installers on their site... |
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| 15:13.01 | godzirra | h3sp4wn: nope. just did a standard debian net intsall boot disk. |
| 15:13.15 | godzirra | abrotman: Can I do that before I can even get a partition viewable? |
| 15:13.25 | abrotman | do the installer ? |
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| 15:13.44 | abrotman | the sarge 2.6.8 installer doesn't support the ich 6/7/8 controllers |
| 15:13.45 | godzirra | abrotman: no, i'm lokoking for it. the link the bot gave me isnt useful. |
| 15:13.46 | mgc | Hi, Im using Debian testing and i cant find kernel 2.4 package, kernel 2.4.x series have been removed from testing? |
| 15:13.49 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 15:13.49 | dpkg | sarge hardware support is, like, reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
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| 15:14.04 | abrotman | mgc: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:14.07 | godzirra | oops, didnt see the other link |
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| 15:14.16 | abrotman | read damn you! |
| 15:14.24 | mgc | abrotman thank you |
| 15:14.58 | abrotman | mgc: might also want to whine to debian-kernel@lists.debian.org |
| 15:15.18 | godzirra | Ew. 35 minutes to download 170 megs. |
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| 15:15.56 | Braindead | godzirra: either that or the big black fedora guy you're scared off |
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| 15:16.44 | godzirra | Braindead: touche |
| 15:17.23 | mgc | godzirra the debian kernel is a mailing list? |
| 15:17.29 | godzirra | mgc: huh? |
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| 15:17.51 | Nethox | esteel: "[E100]: Add module option to ignore bad EEPROM checksums." (2.6.18 changelog), modinfo e100 and try setting this to "on" |
| 15:17.53 | mgc | i mean the mailing address you just gave me |
| 15:17.58 | abrotman | mgc: the one i gave you |
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| 15:18.22 | mgc | sorry, i confused the names :)O |
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| 15:18.38 | abrotman | mgc: debian-kernel@lists.debian.org is a mailing list for people related to the packaging/issues/desires with debian packaged kernels .. including your problem that the etch installer may not have a 2.4 kernel |
| 15:18.43 | infernixx | argh. does anyone know how to disable my touchpad acting as the left mouse button when i tap it? it's extremely annoying |
| 15:18.45 | abrotman | and that there isn't even a recent 2.4 in etch |
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| 15:19.16 | mgc | no, no, It is not a question of the installer, but the apt-get, i already have a system running with a 2.6 kernel |
| 15:19.32 | Nethox | infernixx: if its a synaptics -> man synaptics for the X option |
| 15:19.36 | godzirra | mgc: all good :) |
| 15:20.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: one can build his own? |
| 15:20.29 | tarzeau | it's just not possible to use a 2.2 kernel with sarge+ |
| 15:20.40 | tarzeau | was it possible with woody ? |
| 15:21.07 | Braindead | woody had default 2.2 |
| 15:21.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's not the point |
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| 15:21.28 | abrotman | mgc: oh .. there's no 2.4 left in etch ? |
| 15:21.36 | abrotman | at all? |
| 15:21.39 | mgc | nope |
| 15:21.54 | mgc | they are telling me in the debian-boot that there is just only in unstable |
| 15:22.01 | mgc | it is going to be deprecated :S |
| 15:22.09 | tarzeau | yes 2.6 is default |
| 15:22.14 | tarzeau | and there won't be anything else |
| 15:22.22 | abrotman | mgc: which is why if you'd like a 2.4 .. you need to whine to debian-kernel@lists.debian.org |
| 15:22.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: is that news to you? |
| 15:22.29 | abrotman | they feel there's not enough need |
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| 15:22.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: i wasn't aware it had already been removed .. i knew they wanted that to happen though .. |
| 15:22.43 | youbuntwo | is there a need? |
| 15:22.44 | Braindead | is there really a need for 2.4 ? |
| 15:22.50 | youbuntwo | older hardware maybe |
| 15:22.52 | abrotman | yes ... for some people |
| 15:23.03 | mgc | i am trying to setup an AP with madwifi |
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| 15:23.07 | youbuntwo | not all drivers survived into 2.6 |
| 15:23.13 | Braindead | quantify "some" and then value if it's worth the hassle |
| 15:23.18 | mgc | and with redhat it used to be stable with 2.4 |
| 15:23.20 | abrotman | some still feel 2.6 isn't stable enough |
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| 15:23.31 | abrotman | some don't like udev |
| 15:23.51 | youbuntwo | 2.4 is still maintained |
| 15:23.55 | Braindead | some are still using woody and 2.2 |
| 15:23.56 | abrotman | i would say they're putting some of the debian users at a severe disadvantage |
| 15:24.00 | youbuntwo | i hated udev at first but now it has helped me out of some jams |
| 15:24.02 | abrotman | youbuntwo: i'm aware of that |
| 15:24.19 | abrotman | i have a 486 at home .. it can run a 2.6 but it's damn slow at it |
| 15:24.29 | abrotman | (not my primary machine) |
| 15:24.50 | youbuntwo | i ran my 486 from 1995-2005 |
| 15:25.03 | Bhavesh | abrotman: you actually have something faster then 486 as your main machine? |
| 15:25.04 | Bhavesh | :) |
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| 15:25.18 | abrotman | Bhavesh: i have two machines faster than that at home .. i got rid of the SPARC and MIPS |
| 15:25.35 | youbuntwo | i have an UltraSparc doorstop |
| 15:25.36 | abrotman | though .. the SPARC was about as old as the 486 :) |
| 15:25.41 | tarzeau | youbuntwo: come on! |
| 15:25.42 | youbuntwo | but i can remember drooling over SparcStation 10 |
| 15:25.44 | abrotman | the MIPS was really nice |
| 15:25.59 | tolecnal | I don't have any more 486 machines lying around, but I do have a couple of classic pentiums doing work on a daily basis |
| 15:26.08 | abrotman | tolecnal: i do too |
| 15:26.15 | abrotman | i actually have ... |
| 15:26.23 | youbuntwo | they're nice, you don't really have to worry about heat that much with the older systems |
| 15:26.28 | abrotman | a .. Packard Bell P150 with 24MB doing listserv |
| 15:26.56 | tolecnal | haha |
| 15:27.01 | youbuntwo | PB made some TERRIBLE PCs |
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| 15:27.09 | mgc | i had a pentium as AP running redhat |
| 15:27.23 | mgc | now I found some pentium II and i wanted to have a better router/AP |
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| 15:27.26 | abrotman | youbuntwo: this is one of them .. but it still runs .. so .. i'll let it keep going |
| 15:27.50 | youbuntwo | mgc: i like building my own too, but the power consumption is much better on a linksys |
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| 15:28.23 | abrotman | youbuntwo: you could build your own ARM router :) |
| 15:29.14 | szaszka | bye |
| 15:29.53 | h3sp4wn | youbuntwo: Are you in the US (if you are - the gateway 7001's are insanely cheap on ebay or were - (original rrp was $400)) xscale 266 - atheros - 32mb ram |
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| 15:30.38 | Bhavesh | right now my linksys router seems to be acting up |
| 15:30.49 | Bhavesh | i think |
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| 15:31.18 | tolecnal | I have a self built P166 classic with 128mb ram acting as my firewall, running ipcop.. just runs and runs and runs |
| 15:31.32 | tolecnal | pretty much like a duracell battery :) |
| 15:31.40 | tarzeau | tolecnal: just wait, one day the powersupply or harddisk will break |
| 15:31.44 | h3sp4wn | tolecnal: Probably uses loads of power |
| 15:31.54 | sparr | Are there any good unofficial deb repositories for mozilla products? firefox 2.0 and 3.0 in particular, but up to date versions of mozilla and thunderbird and sunbird would be nice too. |
| 15:31.55 | beardy | h3sp4wn: Why would it? |
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| 15:32.10 | h3sp4wn | beardy: compared to a router ? |
| 15:32.33 | beardy | h3sp4wn: By "router" you mean something cheap and crappy and overheating? |
| 15:32.44 | beardy | h3sp4wn: And probably uncontrollable? |
| 15:32.45 | tarzeau | sparr: are you sure you can call them by their name? |
| 15:32.56 | tolecnal | tarzeau: everything eventually dies, but until then it is a trusty soldier. one i rely on |
| 15:33.08 | tolecnal | h3sp4wn: ummmm, and why would it? |
| 15:33.26 | sparr | tarzeau: whatever names they might have. i dont care if the package is 'firefox-3.0' or 'minefield' |
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| 15:33.40 | h3sp4wn | beardy: I mean some decent quality hardward like a wrap / routerboard or a router with decent hardware in it |
| 15:33.42 | beardy | My router and firewall (and at the moment it runs more..) is a P233. |
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| 15:34.08 | h3sp4wn | my router is 266mhz xscale (arm) |
| 15:34.08 | beardy | h3sp4wn: Can it run GNU/Linux? |
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| 15:34.17 | youbuntwo | the wrt54gs i got for $40 at a swapfest has been reliable |
| 15:34.23 | youbuntwo | it uses aftermarket firmware though |
| 15:34.23 | h3sp4wn | beardy: running openwrt devel branch |
| 15:34.33 | beardy | h3sp4wn: Ok. |
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| 15:39.11 | Bhavesh | youbuntwo: i picked up a linksys WRT54G for $40.. and i am thinking about upgrading it iwth after market firmware, which one are you using? |
| 15:39.49 | psycodad | where should i put a route that should be read upon systemstart ? |
| 15:39.53 | esteel | Eulex, nethox: thanks for your help.. i just noticed a nasty typo in my dhcp servers config.. i just have no idea why neither the the sabayon live cd nor the laptops preinstalled wxp had problems with it.. installing debian now :) for some reason the broadcast address was set to 192.168.1.1 not to 192.168.1.255 |
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| 15:40.12 | youbuntwo | bhavesh: i've had great luck with hyperwrt |
| 15:40.33 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:40.37 | Braindead | psycodad: you don't want routes "at system start". you want routes when an interfaces comes up. so add the routes in the up or post-up of the interface. man interfaces |
| 15:41.03 | Bhavesh | youbuntwo: thanks.. for past few days it seems like something is going on on my nework, things are running very slow i upgradef firmware on my linksys rouer and it worked well for few days and now it's slow again |
| 15:41.24 | Bhavesh | of course i am assuming that it's the router, it could be something I am running on one of my computer that's causing it |
| 15:41.26 | youbuntwo | bhavesh: yeah, i had HORRIBLE luck with the linksys firmwares... very unstable |
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| 15:42.40 | CRK-FOX | hi |
| 15:42.56 | jduggan | howdy, which package in debian contains the berkeleydb includes, i installed the dev package but i dont have them on my system |
| 15:42.59 | Malagmyr | I sincerely hate brute force kiddies. This guy has been trying different usernames and passwords for hours. I've got about 1 MB of logfiles for his ISP... Why oh why do they bother? |
| 15:43.13 | CRK-FOX | how I can install debian in a server with SAS drives?? (dell poweredge 1950 especifically) |
| 15:43.14 | psycodad | Braindead: thx |
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| 15:43.32 | Ronin | Malagmyr: you assume they even know its happening and its not a owned box |
| 15:43.35 | Bhavesh | youbuntwo: mine has been working for a few months.. and then i upgraded firmware.. |
| 15:43.47 | petemc | CRK-FOX: there are a few guides on the web - its doable, just not straigh forward |
| 15:44.07 | Bhavesh | Malagmyr: what service is he trying to login to? mine is mostly ssh since that's one of the few port open.. i normally add those annoying once to my hosts.deny file |
| 15:44.10 | dn4 | how do I get realtime-lsm-modules load up? |
| 15:44.27 | cydork | Malagmyr: or you can use denyhosts , fail2ban |
| 15:44.30 | Malagmyr | Bhavesh: yes. ssh. |
| 15:44.59 | CRK-FOX | someone knows where find the driver for SAS drives?? |
| 15:44.59 | dn4 | only way I can run qjackctl is with root |
| 15:45.01 | Ronin | ya my logs are full of that on a regular basis |
| 15:45.07 | petemc | CRK-FOX: did you see what i said? |
| 15:45.07 | dn4 | how do I get regular user stuff on that app? |
| 15:45.13 | cydork | Malagmyr: frankly if it's just a ssh then go for denyhosts |
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| 15:45.56 | Mochito | good morning |
| 15:45.56 | Malagmyr | Ronin: judging by nmap, it's a linux machine. I generally assume that linux machines have a smaller chance of being compromised than Windows machines, though I know that's not always true. |
| 15:46.15 | CRK-FOX | petemc: are you sure?? |
| 15:46.24 | Bhavesh | cydork: what's denyhost? or you mean hosts.deny? |
| 15:46.26 | Malagmyr | Ronin: anyway, if I notify the ISP, the ISP can notify the user, who will then be able to correct the problem if the box is compromised. How else would they know? |
| 15:46.32 | petemc | CRK-FOX: well, i have installed debian on numerous 1950s, so yes |
| 15:46.33 | cydork | !info denyhosts |
| 15:46.37 | dpkg | denyhosts: (an utility to help sys admins thwart ssh hackers), section net, is optional. Version: 2.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 329 kB |
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| 15:46.49 | Ronin | Malagmyr: seriously? who has that much free time to notify isps all the time |
| 15:46.54 | Bhavesh | thank you |
| 15:47.26 | Malagmyr | Ronin: I do. Maybe I should notify my boss to tell him to give me more work, but I just can't be arsed. |
| 15:47.44 | CRK-FOX | petemc: with sas drives?? how to enable the disks when the installation fails to get hard disks_ |
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| 15:48.22 | petemc | CRK-FOX: its not a one step procedure, which is why i have told, and am telling you again, to follow one of the guides you can get via google |
| 15:48.35 | Bhavesh | this is funny.. i am logged into my machine at home through linksys router, but same router won't let me connect to my win2k3 terminal service |
| 15:48.41 | CRK-FOX | petemc: ok |
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| 15:49.57 | possie | is there a hardware compatibility list for debian versions? (sarge, sid, etc) ? |
| 15:50.10 | youbuntwo | malagmyr: i've had success with using iptables to restrict # of ssh login attemps |
| 15:51.03 | cydork | youbuntwo: i used to get minimum 50 a day. but now none :) |
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| 15:51.35 | youbuntwo | Malagmyr, iptables -t filter -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -m limit --limit 3/second -j ACCEPT |
| 15:51.48 | youbuntwo | watch your log files shrink back to normal |
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| 15:52.03 | angelo___ | how much space do you need to install debian with KDE just to surf the internet ? |
| 15:52.12 | Bhavesh | just installed denyhosts |
| 15:52.15 | Bhavesh | nice! |
| 15:52.24 | Ronin | angelo___: kde? couple of gigs i suspect, kdes not exactly small |
| 15:52.25 | youbuntwo | angelo___, less than 2g surely |
| 15:52.26 | Malagmyr | youbuntwo: nice! thanks for the tip |
| 15:52.29 | Braindead | angelo___: "just to surf the net" and "KDE" are 2 very far concepts... |
| 15:52.41 | youbuntwo | Malagmyr, the only time it stinks is if you go to open 3 concurrent sessions |
| 15:52.49 | youbuntwo | Malagmyr, you will be rate limited |
| 15:53.05 | angelo___ | Braindead well just do basic stuff ... surf the internet ... make some documents etc etc etc ... could that be done with 256mb ? :S |
| 15:53.16 | youbuntwo | angelo___, yes, but slowly |
| 15:53.26 | Braindead | angelo___: 256 mb hd space or ram? |
| 15:53.29 | youbuntwo | angelo___, why kde? why not xfce or something more lightweight |
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| 15:53.40 | Ronin | angelo___: ya but id suggest a smaller/lightweight wm of some sort |
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| 15:53.54 | beardy | angelo___: what youbuntwo said, you can still run qt programs, just install the libraries |
| 15:54.11 | angelo___ | Braindead RAM .. my laptop hdd is broken .. and I can buy a ide 2 CF converter ... so I thought working from my 256mb CF card |
| 15:54.23 | youbuntwo | KDE will run with 256 megs, but slowly |
| 15:54.24 | youbuntwo | angelo___, oh i wouldn't bother with that CF card |
| 15:54.26 | Bhavesh | wow that's a small distro |
| 15:54.32 | youbuntwo | angelo___, it will be so slow |
| 15:54.43 | beardy | And that is BAD. |
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| 15:54.46 | angelo___ | youbuntwo because of CF or because of the low space ? |
| 15:54.48 | Bhavesh | why not get something like 1/2GB flash drive (USB 2.0) |
| 15:54.49 | youbuntwo | angelo___, if you really must, use something like knoppix and save to the CF card |
| 15:54.55 | cydork | angelo___: cfdisk are great but i doubt you can run kde. |
| 15:55.21 | angelo___ | cydork what if I buy a 2gig CF card ? it`ll work then right ? |
| 15:55.38 | cydork | angelo___: yep no probs at all |
| 15:55.42 | beardy | It's sad that KDE strives to act exactly like the commercial crap, even in bloatness.. |
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| 15:55.58 | Braindead | angelo___: it's gonna be broken in a few months of constant usage,though. cf have a limited range of read/write operations |
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| 15:56.28 | angelo___ | Braindead is that true ?? so if I make an embedded system my worse choice would be to use CF ? |
| 15:56.36 | beardy | (and bloatness when it is a bad thing) |
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| 15:56.50 | youbuntwo | angelo___, usb 2.0 would be better |
| 15:56.57 | d0uglas | i apt installed xserver-xorg-video-ati, how do i get it to kick in? not seeing any new modules in modconf... no man pages |
| 15:57.10 | angelo___ | youbuntwo but it is an old laptop .. with usb1 and cant boot from it |
| 15:57.15 | youbuntwo | d0uglas, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 15:57.26 | youbuntwo | angelo___, i would get a new HDD |
| 15:57.27 | Braindead | angelo___: the worst choice is to do some daily r/w task on it |
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| 15:57.45 | angelo___ | youbuntwo plus I thought because its a laptop.. CF doesnt pull as much power as a HDD |
| 15:58.05 | Charminthemoose | how much space does KDE take up? |
| 15:58.50 | Braindead | about a gig |
| 15:58.56 | beardy | Charminthemoose: Depends where you draw the line. If you include Koffice and such, or not. |
| 15:58.58 | youbuntwo | angelo___, NO one recommends CF for daily use |
| 15:59.13 | cydork | Braindead: if you install kdebase it should be less i guess. |
| 15:59.34 | Braindead | yeah about 180 megs |
| 15:59.57 | Braindead | he might as well try damn small linux |
| 16:00.18 | Braindead | (as long as he doesn't come back here for help on DSL itself) |
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| 16:00.28 | cydork | heh |
| 16:00.32 | Charminthemoose | or what about kanotix?it's merely 22mb |
| 16:01.20 | angelo___ | cydork well its just an old laptop which has bveenb in the dusty closet for a year or two .. so I thought it woulkd be good to delete windows and install debvian ... but hdd was broken |
| 16:01.29 | cydork | but with debian all the customisations are possible :P |
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| 16:01.48 | angelo___ | eeh I mean |
| 16:01.50 | angelo___ | youbuntwo |
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| 16:02.25 | youbuntwo | angelo___, get yourself an internal 8G hdd, won't be more than $50-$70 |
| 16:03.52 | Bhavesh | youbuntwo: i just bought a laptop drive $80 for a 60GB hdd |
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| 16:04.20 | cydork | angelo___: i still say go for CF disk :) |
| 16:04.21 | youbuntwo | angelo___, see, cheaper than i thought. don't waste any of your time with cf, etc, IDE is what you need |
| 16:05.09 | Bhavesh | well i should mention US$80.00 and smaller ( 40gb drives are cheaper obviously) |
| 16:05.27 | angelo___ | cydork why :P ? |
| 16:05.31 | cydork | angelo___: and CF disk is certainly faster than normal ide drives |
| 16:05.41 | youbuntwo | angelo___, not as many writes with CF |
| 16:05.52 | Braindead | and not enough space for pr0n |
| 16:06.32 | wols | CF has about 100k-150k writes on a cell before it severely degrades and dies |
| 16:06.52 | wols | cydork: it's not really |
| 16:06.52 | cydork | wols: any links? |
| 16:07.34 | wols | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory#Limitations |
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| 16:07.40 | wols | wikiepdia says 1 million |
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| 16:08.12 | wols | but I'm a bit skeptical there skeptical |
| 16:08.16 | RichiH_fallback | wols: that sounds.. many |
| 16:08.20 | youbuntwo | wikipedia says 100k now, i just updated it |
| 16:08.28 | Bhavesh | how can i tell which hardware monitors my m/b uses? it's FIC AU13 with NForce2 chipcset |
| 16:09.02 | cydork | wols: hmm that is less still i dont trust wikipedia that much. |
| 16:09.04 | RichiH_fallback | Bhavesh: lm-sensors has some detection thingie |
| 16:09.10 | Bhavesh | RichiH_fallback: thanks |
| 16:09.17 | RichiH_fallback | np |
| 16:09.51 | wols | cydork: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear_levelling says between 10k and 1M |
| 16:09.53 | Bhavesh | well it took 5 seconds to install lm-sensors :) |
| 16:09.59 | Bhavesh | now time to figure out how to make it work :) |
| 16:10.22 | wols | Bhavesh: you already told us which: nforce2 |
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| 16:10.42 | wols | oops. monitors. there is no standard and sensors-detect is quite unreliable |
| 16:10.53 | wols | the best thing is to ask google |
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| 16:11.10 | cydork | wols: fuck that's too less. |
| 16:11.58 | wols | cydork: tbh I trust what sandisk, toshiba, lexar et all say even less than wikipedia in this regard... |
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| 16:12.21 | brendan | apache-common seems to have started a fight with apache2.2-common in unstable. Any clues how to get libapache2-mod-php5 back in shape? |
| 16:12.49 | RichiH_fallback | brendan: back up configs and stuff, purge involved packages, reinstall old copies |
| 16:13.03 | stew | brendan: check the bts for all the involved packages too: /msg dpkg bts |
| 16:13.21 | brendan | ok |
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| 16:13.41 | RichiH_fallback | stew: your solution does not involve the removing of potentially important data, though :( |
| 16:13.51 | RichiH_fallback | at least not by default |
| 16:14.07 | brendan | how about dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/apache-common_1.3.34-4.i386.deb ? |
| 16:14.21 | stew | RichiH_fallback: that's just the way i am, i guess |
| 16:14.27 | wols | Bhavesh: delete your apt archive. start fresh |
| 16:14.57 | wols | brendan: forcing is generally a bad idea |
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| 16:15.14 | brendan | but it's so much faster |
| 16:15.17 | stew | brendan: wait, what does it want to overwrite? |
| 16:15.27 | brendan | man8/suexec.8.gz. not a big deal |
| 16:15.28 | Bhavesh | wols: it actually downloaded the .deb before it installed it |
| 16:15.29 | wols | not really when you consider the work you made yourself down the road |
| 16:15.30 | stew | brendan: why don't you put the exact output of apt-get into a pastebin? |
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| 16:16.44 | brendan | http://paste.lisp.org/display/27284 |
| 16:16.48 | ignotus | how can I start a process with a negative nice level (as user!)? |
| 16:16.50 | wols | Bhavesh: that would be best. I still don't get what apache cares about apache2.2 |
| 16:17.24 | Bhavesh | wols: i am talking about lmsensors :) not apache |
| 16:17.44 | wols | Bhavesh: and I was actually talking to brendan not you :) |
| 16:17.55 | wols | "listen to what I mean, not what I type" :P |
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| 16:18.01 | Bhavesh | wols: hehehe |
| 16:18.11 | Bhavesh | wols: just pointing you to the right person :) |
| 16:18.20 | simonrvn | how's it feel like to live in a leader state, aka dictatorship? |
| 16:18.25 | brendan | I wouldn't force in general, but a manpage overwrite seems fairly straightforward |
| 16:18.45 | godzirra | Ok, so the new debian 2.6.16 installer does detect my sata drives |
| 16:18.46 | wols | brendan: might be more than that |
| 16:18.47 | godzirra | BUT.... |
| 16:18.48 | Bhavesh | nice |
| 16:18.52 | godzirra | it detects two sata drives |
| 16:18.53 | Bhavesh | it loaded all the cool modules |
| 16:19.04 | godzirra | the raid controller only shows one raid (which does consist of two drives) |
| 16:19.09 | godzirra | Am I missing something? |
| 16:19.12 | wols | Bhavesh: and "sensors" is spitting out meaningful data? |
| 16:19.28 | wols | godzirra: fakeraid? |
| 16:19.37 | godzirra | wols: people keep saying that. Its a real intel raid contrller. |
| 16:19.40 | godzirra | :) |
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| 16:20.18 | wols | rule of thumb; did you pay >200$ (with intel probably more like 500) for the RAID controller alone? |
| 16:20.24 | wols | if not: it's fakeraid |
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| 16:20.32 | wols | exception: used stuff from ebay |
| 16:20.46 | simonrvn | s,from ebay,, |
| 16:20.58 | godzirra | wols: Yes. We did. |
| 16:21.12 | godzirra | one sec, I'll tell you exactly what raid controller it is |
| 16:21.57 | Bhavesh | wols: yes |
| 16:22.01 | wols | Ok, then it's probably a hardware controller and displays the disk as one to the OS? |
| 16:22.05 | Bhavesh | wols: it printed tons of information.. i am trying to understand |
| 16:22.08 | godzirra | Or maybe not. |
| 16:22.17 | godzirra | It says Adaptec Embedded SATA HostRaid |
| 16:22.17 | wols | Bhavesh: I think you're the first I've seen this ever happen with lm_sensors :) |
| 16:22.32 | godzirra | wols: the OS shows 2 disks. The RAID Controller shows one array of two disks. |
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| 16:22.54 | wols | godzirra: that's kinda common for fakeraid :) |
| 16:22.56 | Bhavesh | wols: what? that it worked? ? :) |
| 16:22.57 | stew | godzirra: sounds like fakeraid, who made the controller? |
| 16:23.16 | stew | godzirra: you may wanna look at dmraid |
| 16:23.28 | Bhavesh | one of the temp is at like 67 degrees |
| 16:23.31 | wols | godzirra: use standard linux software raid imho |
| 16:23.44 | wols | Bhavesh: cpu? |
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| 16:25.18 | sarah | dpkg: /etc/fstab |
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| 16:25.40 | sarah | dpkg: mount fat32 automatically |
| 16:25.41 | wols | !tell sarah about fstab |
| 16:25.51 | sarah | thx wols |
| 16:25.52 | wols | !tell sarah about vfatrw |
| 16:26.07 | beardy | sarah: Easier if you tell us what you want to do. |
| 16:26.32 | beardy | sarah: Then someone can point you in the right direction. |
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| 16:26.36 | wols | she wants to mount a fat partition on kubuntu so she can access it rw with her user |
| 16:26.44 | Bhavesh | wols: i am readint which temp belongs to what.. it has 3 temps.. +40degree +67degree and -48degree |
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| 16:26.58 | wols | Bhavesh: mobo, cpu, fake |
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| 16:27.17 | wols | Bhavesh: control and compare with BIOS readings for them |
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| 16:27.24 | beardy | wols: Obviously. But easier to say that then to guess factoids. And #kubuntu is that way ---> |
| 16:27.39 | Bhavesh | wols: i have to go home so i can check :).. i am loggedin to my home computer from work :) |
| 16:27.44 | wols | beardy: where your arrow points is only my speaker |
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| 16:28.08 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 16:28.19 | wols | Bhavesh: 40° is pretty hot btw. CPU depending on model |
| 16:28.24 | godzirra | wols: what is the difference between fakeraid and normal raid? |
| 16:28.30 | godzirra | I'm not strong on raid |
| 16:28.33 | wols | Bhavesh: and check your hdd too. if mobo is already at 40, hdd is higher and that's not good |
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| 16:28.54 | wols | real raid doesn't need the CPU in any way. it behaves as single disk and does everything on its own |
| 16:29.02 | godzirra | Got it. |
| 16:29.04 | wols | fakeraid uses the CPU. think real modem and winmodem |
| 16:29.09 | godzirra | wols: what kind of performance difference is there? |
| 16:29.21 | wols | for a fileserver; none |
| 16:29.27 | wols | for a DB server there can be |
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| 16:31.10 | sarah | Thank you wolf |
| 16:31.11 | sarah | wols |
| 16:31.12 | sarah | bye |
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| 16:33.16 | Bhavesh | wols: this is running Athlon XP 2000+ |
| 16:33.22 | Bhavesh | wols: and it's running setiathome 24/7 |
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| 16:33.25 | Bhavesh | so the load is always high |
| 16:33.51 | wols | Bhavesh: palomino or tbredA or TbredB? |
| 16:34.53 | Bhavesh | good question |
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| 16:35.03 | wols | what does proc/cpuinfo say? |
| 16:35.14 | zzz | Hi! I got segmentation fault at apt-get install and apt-cache search. What can i do? Apt-get update works, but i have never seen something like this. This is testing. |
| 16:35.15 | wols | model, model and stepping |
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| 16:35.26 | Bhavesh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:35.26 | Bhavesh | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+ |
| 16:35.26 | Bhavesh | stepping : 2 |
| 16:35.41 | wols | palomino |
| 16:35.43 | wols | then it's ok |
| 16:35.57 | wols | unfortunately. the base temp of the mobo is still to high tho |
| 16:36.23 | Bhavesh | wols: i am going to see if the fan is spinning ok it is in a Antec case with big fan running as exhaust fan |
| 16:36.45 | godzirra | wols: I thought the bios was I guess "more important" in the scheme of thigns... i.e. I thought if the raid controller on the motherboard saw one raid array, the OS should too? |
| 16:36.48 | godzirra | or am I missing something? |
| 16:36.53 | Bhavesh | i may take it down and clean it a bit.. haven't had chance to do that since baby arrived two months a go |
| 16:37.08 | adsfasdf | zzz: make a backup of /var/cache/apt and then delete all files in the dir and its subfolders... but dont delete the dirs |
| 16:37.14 | stew | i cannot believe how low the cpu temps on my new machine are, its never more than a couple of degrees above ambient |
| 16:37.26 | Bhavesh | brb |
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| 16:37.42 | wols | godzirra: no. Linux doesn't care about BIOS. and th BIOS was made by drive manufacturer. They have an incentive to lie to you |
| 16:37.45 | zzz | adsfasdf: I made already an apt-get clean. I bet this was not enough :- ). |
| 16:37.55 | godzirra | touche. |
| 16:38.13 | wols | stew: internal diode or external? |
| 16:38.13 | godzirra | wols: if linux doesnt care about BIOS why would a real raid contrller show up as one drivce? |
| 16:38.17 | godzirra | *drive |
| 16:38.19 | adsfasdf | zzz: i had the same problem... |
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| 16:38.26 | stew | wols: i dunno what that means |
| 16:38.28 | zzz | adsfasdf: It works, but why is it? |
| 16:38.41 | zzz | I hope it' ll be corrected in the stable distribution ... . |
| 16:38.41 | wols | cause a real raid controler only behaves to the outward as a single disk/controller with a single disk |
| 16:38.54 | wols | this one doesn't and expects the CPU to do the dirty work and make it appear as one |
| 16:39.08 | godzirra | so if it shows up in the BIOS as one array, but to the OS as two, its definitely a fakeraid and I should use linux raid? |
| 16:39.12 | godzirra | linux software raid |
| 16:39.12 | godzirra | rather |
| 16:39.31 | wols | godzirra: depends a bit on the controller chip I'd say but imho yes |
| 16:39.51 | godzirra | ok. I'll try that. |
| 16:39.57 | adsfasdf | zzz: dont know what it is it happened several times to me on ubuntu dapper (like stable) |
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| 16:40.38 | stew | godzirra: in general, yes, you should expect the linux software raid to be more robust than a software raid built into a specific driver |
| 16:40.39 | wols | zzz: probably something like packagelisting files or orhter apt DB parts getting corrupt |
| 16:40.44 | xjkx | How do I uninstall all the packages I installed today?is it possible? |
| 16:40.49 | godzirra | ok. |
| 16:40.52 | godzirra | thanks for the info guys |
| 16:40.59 | zzz | adsfasdf: Well, i tried to install a package (neverball, i used test with it whether 3d accel works or not), and i got again segmentation fault.. . |
| 16:41.20 | cydork | xjkx: check dpkg log for which software you isntalled today |
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| 16:41.33 | adsfasdf | zzz: did you do apt-get update before install? |
| 16:41.55 | xjkx | i am on another system now, gotta write in a txt file what you say to test there, whats the command to see the dpkg log cydork? |
| 16:41.59 | wols | godzirra: a big reason what hardware raid makes problematic and what makes fakeraid total shit is that when your controller/mobo goes bad, the RAID is gone too unless you find the exact same mobo with the same chip again. good luck there |
| 16:42.05 | pickcoder | godzirra: if you setup a RAID 1 or 0 in on-board SATA then it should show up as a single device |
| 16:42.12 | cydork | xjkx: less, cat :P |
| 16:42.13 | wols | with software raid it's a lot easier to use the same linux kernel to get the data back |
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| 16:42.40 | xjkx | cydork i mean, what do i have to cat...wheres the txtfile with this information... |
| 16:42.43 | godzirra | Will linux software raid allow for hot swappable drives? |
| 16:42.44 | wols | so unless oyu KNOW you paid megabucks for real raid, just don't use it |
| 16:42.58 | zzz | adsfasdf: yes, just before that i need to create apt/archives/partial directory.. . |
| 16:43.02 | pipeline | godzirra, wols : Hardware RAID is kind of a pain in the ass anyway, even when you have the good stuff. |
| 16:43.11 | pickcoder | pipeline: how? |
| 16:43.15 | godzirra | wols: so your suggestion is just don't use raid? :p |
| 16:43.17 | pipeline | pickcoder: You're tied to htat vendor. |
| 16:43.18 | wols | xjkx: /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 16:43.18 | tralala | is there a software that will give me information about a dvd media - is it blank, how many sessions does it have... things like these? |
| 16:43.18 | cydork | xjkx: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 16:43.26 | pickcoder | pipeline: and? |
| 16:43.28 | pipeline | pickcoder: What happens when your RAID card craps out? What happens when you want to expand the system? |
| 16:43.32 | pipeline | pickcoder: It's a pain in the ass. |
| 16:43.35 | stew | godzirra: linux raid has nothing to do with hotswap, that would be up to the disc controller itself |
| 16:43.43 | tralala | cdrecord wants a freaking code |
| 16:43.46 | pickcoder | I've never had a RAID controller "crap out" |
| 16:43.47 | wols | pipeline: yes but you paid megabucks for a shtity controller so you better use it even if it's shit :P |
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| 16:43.52 | stew | when my RAID card craps out, i put in a spare |
| 16:43.54 | stew | pickcoder: i have |
| 16:43.54 | godzirra | stew: I know my disc controller handles hot swappable drives. |
| 16:44.01 | xjkx | cydork thanks, then i have to unistall each one?one by one?can't I say like apt-get remove lastpackages?like the last 10 I installed? |
| 16:44.02 | pickcoder | eep |
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| 16:44.07 | godzirra | I'm not certain what happens if you hot swap a linux software controller raid drive though. |
| 16:44.27 | pickcoder | I still have some SCSI UW controllers around here and a DPT controller is still running in our web server |
| 16:44.37 | pickcoder | it's over 7 years old |
| 16:45.09 | zzz | adsfasdf: I don' t know how, but now it works ... . |
| 16:45.42 | cydork | xjkx: you can do it in one go. you just need all the package name which can be easily done. But why are you doing that may i know? |
| 16:45.58 | adsfasdf | zzz: after the update? it had to build the package cache from the list of available packages first i think... |
| 16:46.38 | xjkx | cydork just installed a lot of packages which I needed yesterday, not anymore, they are the last apt-get install (list of packages) i done, you sure there is no way to do it automatic? |
| 16:46.51 | wols | godzirra: linux can do it |
| 16:46.58 | zzz | yes, but i did the same things for third time. rm -rf /var/cache/apt/*; mkdir apt/archives/partial -p, update, install ... . |
| 16:47.16 | cydork | xjkx: yes i am sure |
| 16:47.17 | godzirra | wols: ok, thakns.. i'll try it and we'll see what happens. |
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| 16:47.32 | wols | godzirra: read the raid howto |
| 16:47.45 | xjkx | Ok, But, apt-get install does log on /var/log/dpkg.log?I mean, i am not installing "dpkg -i" |
| 16:47.58 | adsfasdf | zzz: lol |
| 16:48.04 | wols | apt is only a frontend for dpkg |
| 16:48.06 | cydork | xjkx: apt-get uses dpkg |
| 16:48.19 | wols | apt does NOTHING for installing. it's a very lazy program |
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| 16:49.02 | GoAuLd | im looking for something to mount umount .iso from konqueror |
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| 16:49.29 | GoAuLd | do someone know a packet who do that? |
| 16:50.48 | wols | maybe something in knoq-plugins? |
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| 16:54.50 | artis | hello fellow debianees. how would you upgrade from 2.4.27-3-386 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) to some recent 2.6.X-ish kernel version? |
| 16:55.16 | artis | so far i've managed to fetch the source tree via apt-get |
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| 16:55.35 | artis | of course, oldconfig would not work. do i have to do it manually? |
| 16:55.47 | cydork | !2.4->2.6 |
| 16:55.48 | dpkg | hmm... 2.4->2.6 is easy - just "apt-cache search kernel-image 2.6" (linux-image in etch and sid, use your favorite apt front-end) and install the relevant package for your CPU(s). |
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| 16:55.57 | artis | or, perhaps, is there a binary image? - i do not need custom blah-blah. |
| 16:56.06 | esteel | artis: why no use a kernel image? :) |
| 16:56.08 | artis | dpkg, thanks, that's what i was looking for |
| 16:56.08 | dpkg | artis: bitte |
| 16:56.20 | amphi | heh |
| 16:56.20 | artis | esteel, yes! |
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| 16:59.51 | EvilDin | hay where is mysql.sock |
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| 17:01.17 | stew | EvilDin: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock by default, but configurable in /etc/mysql/my.cnf ; if mysql isnt' running there isn't one |
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| 17:04.09 | kakarot | knows anybody how to fix the xserver-xorg trouble in 7.1.0-1 version ? |
| 17:04.30 | abrotman | wee bit vague there ... |
| 17:05.12 | argonel | how does one configure the dpms off time for xorg? |
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| 17:06.17 | kakarot | argonel with xset or with control panel |
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| 17:06.31 | lrathbon | dpkg, boo |
| 17:06.44 | argonel | kakarot: so i have to write a script to get the settings i want when X restarts? |
| 17:06.57 | enouf | dpkg what are you |
| 17:06.57 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 17:07.54 | abrotman | argonel: that's one way |
| 17:07.56 | kakarot | argonel this is one way, the other in configure that in kde or gnome or wathever |
| 17:08.02 | Charminthemoose | how borked is my 2.6 kernel? http://pastebin.com/799469 |
| 17:08.56 | abrotman | argh .. pastebin.com sucks |
| 17:09.00 | argonel | its not configured in kde and yet still blanks after 10 minutes |
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| 17:09.55 | abrotman | Charminthemoose: ? |
| 17:10.31 | abrotman | Charminthemoose: does it finish booting ? |
| 17:11.02 | Charminthemoose | abrotman:I also got a bunch of errors saying that it tries to load modules but complains that the operation is not permitted.Yes it does finish booting |
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| 17:13.24 | Charminthemoose | so can anyone help me? |
| 17:13.58 | stew | abrotman: the tv just got turned on in the office |
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| 17:14.02 | cydork | Charminthemoose: pastebin is damn slow :P |
| 17:15.01 | abrotman | stew: so now you can watch .. tv ? |
| 17:15.02 | Charminthemoose | sorry 'bout that cydork. |
| 17:15.02 | FreshPrince | phpfi.com is damn fast! |
| 17:15.02 | FreshPrince | :P |
| 17:15.02 | Ronin | Charminthemoose: try pastebin.ca so we can get to it this year |
| 17:15.02 | abrotman | Charminthemoose: i don't understand what is wrong with it .. other than i doubt your AGP works |
| 17:15.02 | stew | abrotman: she got it on in time for the first pitch of the playoffs |
| 17:15.03 | abrotman | stew: OH! .. the first game is at 7pm i think |
| 17:15.03 | stew | abrotman: then what am i watching? |
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| 17:15.04 | abrotman | stew: oh .. wow .. i didn't know it started at 1pm |
| 17:15.14 | tucoz | anyone know what to do when i can not remove a package because of diversions. http://pastebin.ca/190024 |
| 17:15.19 | abrotman | that's not fair .. stew and rcox watch baseball .. i do replang .. wtf |
| 17:15.25 | JordiGH | GIF! |
| 17:15.26 | JordiGH | Free at last! |
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| 17:15.37 | JordiGH | Thank Tux almight, free at last! |
| 17:15.42 | abrotman | JordiGH: PNG .. use it |
| 17:15.45 | JordiGH | (and yes, I know I'm yesterday's news, but meh) |
| 17:15.48 | omry|work | I managed to install mysql 5.0 on sarge from backports. I tried to install some package but it uninstalled it, and now I can't get it back. keep getting errors of unmet dependencies. any idea? |
| 17:16.35 | JordiGH | abrotman: I do use it. But on October 1, 2006, all possible patents on GIF expired according to the free software law centre. Now, anyone got a dancing Tux gif somewhere I can put in my blog? |
| 17:16.45 | argonel | yay, free gifs.. can put them with the buggy whips |
| 17:17.11 | abrotman | JordiGH: honestly .. who cares ? .. there are other formats out there that work just as well |
| 17:17.15 | debian | what is the best domain registerer? better offer dns service |
| 17:17.48 | JordiGH | abrotman: With animation? |
| 17:18.11 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:18.16 | JordiGH | abrotman: Which one? |
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| 17:19.22 | abrotman | MNG |
| 17:19.29 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 17:19.35 | abrotman | PONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:19.36 | qbit_wrk | L) |
| 17:19.37 | JordiGH | Took you a while... |
| 17:19.42 | qbit_wrk | :) |
| 17:19.47 | qbit_wrk | er :0 |
| 17:19.50 | qbit_wrk | there we go |
| 17:19.54 | qbit_wrk | i want a pony :( |
| 17:20.00 | JordiGH | !prize qbit_wrk |
| 17:20.04 | abrotman | JordiGH: i couldn't remember the name .. but i knew it was related to PNG |
| 17:20.06 | cydork | hehe |
| 17:20.06 | JordiGH | Sorry, you get a medal instead. |
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| 17:20.25 | abrotman | JordiGH: so you see .. GIF isn't needed :) |
| 17:20.51 | JordiGH | abrotman: Heh, c'mon, a format for animation whose name you couldn't even remember. If the de facto standard can now become a true standard, what's wrong with that? |
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| 17:21.57 | shriphani | hello |
| 17:21.59 | abrotman | JordiGH: because Unisys has other patents pending on it |
| 17:22.17 | JordiGH | Eh? |
| 17:22.23 | shriphani | the website says cd#1 isnt sufficient for installation |
| 17:22.24 | JordiGH | Is celebration premature? |
| 17:22.31 | abrotman | the website? |
| 17:22.41 | JordiGH | shriphani: Watcha talkin' bout? |
| 17:22.50 | abrotman | JordiGH: Unisys Corporation holds and has patents pending on a number of improvements on the inventions claimed in the above-expired patents. |
| 17:22.54 | abrotman | so says the website |
| 17:23.12 | shriphani | http://debian.planetmirror.com/CD/releases/ |
| 17:23.15 | JordiGH | Aw, crap. |
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| 17:23.19 | abrotman | on the original GIF .. no problems apparently .. |
| 17:23.26 | JordiGH | Hmmm... |
| 17:23.27 | abrotman | shriphani: do you have broadband ? |
| 17:23.35 | abrotman | JordiGH: but i'm not sure i'd take their word fro that |
| 17:23.43 | shriphani | i just have a cracked wireless and dialup |
| 17:23.49 | abrotman | lovely |
| 17:23.56 | abrotman | !d-i shriphani |
| 17:23.56 | dpkg | shriphani, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:24.07 | omry|work | I have a problem installing mysql 5.0 from backports, here is my sources list and the apt-get output : http://pastebin.ca/190037 |
| 17:24.10 | omry|work | any idea? |
| 17:24.25 | shriphani | i cant trust internet borrowed without permission can i ? |
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| 17:24.38 | shriphani | so is there a workaround for the cd issue ? |
| 17:24.41 | JordiGH | shriphani: Yes you can. That's what ssh is for. |
| 17:25.02 | shriphani | whats ssh got to do with installation |
| 17:25.02 | JordiGH | shriphani: Er, yes. Download the real CD from Debian. |
| 17:25.22 | shriphani | i did that and the thing booted then stopped at the 2nd step |
| 17:25.38 | shriphani | that happens to be ummm install.gz unzipping or summat |
| 17:25.50 | JordiGH | shriphani: ssh is about putting trust in mathematics instead of people. I thought you were worried about using bootleg bandwidth for downloading the Debian installer. |
| 17:25.52 | kulbir | how to do i extract .deb file? |
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| 17:25.59 | JordiGH | shriphani: you gave us a link to a non-Debian site. |
| 17:26.05 | Braindead | when thou steal wireless from thy neighbour baby jesus cries |
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| 17:26.10 | stew | kulbir: dpkg -e or dpkg -x depending on what you want to extract, "man dpkg" |
| 17:26.11 | shriphani | whut ? |
| 17:26.20 | shriphani | that is not debian's site ? |
| 17:26.31 | kulbir | stew: thanks |
| 17:26.35 | JordiGH | shriphani: It isn't debian.org, so I'll say no. |
| 17:26.57 | JordiGH | shriphani: Oh, never mind. I'm stupid as usual. |
| 17:27.11 | shriphani | both sites look the same |
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| 17:27.38 | DamianXL | Hiyaz |
| 17:27.40 | stew | shriphani: what exactly is the question? |
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| 17:27.57 | DamianXL | Would anyone happen to know where to get a hold of FTPD's configuration file? |
| 17:28.00 | shriphani | like i read on the website that cd#1 isnt sufficient for installation |
| 17:28.06 | shriphani | so the workaround |
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| 17:28.13 | stew | shriphani: it is sufficient for installation |
| 17:28.38 | shriphani | umm ok |
| 17:28.39 | stew | shriphani: are you intalling to a machine that can be networked with a stock debian kernel? |
| 17:28.45 | khermans | i want to combine my CPU/MEM/HDD into one large "machine" -- is this possible? beowulf only shares cpu/mem resources right? |
| 17:28.51 | stew | shriphani: what website did you read that on? |
| 17:28.58 | khermans | i have 32 machines |
| 17:29.17 | shriphani | http://debian.planetmirror.com/CD/releases/ |
| 17:29.23 | DamianXL | khermans: are those ur machines... or hacked zombies? |
| 17:29.38 | khermans | DamianXL, identical servers on our network |
| 17:29.46 | ktwilight | does alsa come with an equaliser? |
| 17:29.48 | shriphani | http://www.debian.org/CD/releases/ |
| 17:29.49 | DamianXL | khermans: it was a joke.... |
| 17:29.50 | eldowan | In Debian etch, kvpnc hasn't removed the tun0 interface upon close. ifdown tun0 shows it is already down, ifup shows unknown interface tun0=tun0. kvpnc will not bind to the correct port(s) because tun0 is still configured. I have searched, but have been unable to figure out how to remove the tun0 device. Can someone lend a hand, or a pointer? |
| 17:29.57 | shriphani | this page says the same thing |
| 17:30.02 | khermans | DamianXL, i put on my black hat after work |
| 17:30.20 | DamianXL | lol |
| 17:30.22 | stew | shriphani: what on that page led you to believe the CD#1 isnt' sufficient? |
| 17:30.45 | stew | shriphani: you don't want to install all of the tasks on the cd |
| 17:30.50 | shriphani | umm so i didnt interpret it right |
| 17:31.18 | stew | shriphani: and if you can get the machine on the network without needing to compile any extra modules, then you definately only need cd1, in fact you only need a 110mb netinst cd |
| 17:31.18 | khermans | the problem is that we have 32 identical servers and we want to partition the resources |
| 17:31.29 | shriphani | ok thx |
| 17:31.30 | JordiGH | Oooh! |
| 17:31.30 | eldowan | stew: I remember that there is a page showing that 3.1r3 has an issue that some base installs will need disc#2, for binary installs. |
| 17:31.32 | JordiGH | !info compiz |
| 17:31.34 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.0.13+git20060928-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 17:31.44 | JordiGH | Does it work? |
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| 17:33.17 | stew | eldowan: can you show me the page? I don't believe it. base fits on a 110mb cd |
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| 17:33.34 | tolecnal | JordiGH: I run Xgl and Compiz on my laptop, and it works like a charm :) a few glitches here and there, but then again I run unstable that's badly patched up |
| 17:34.01 | tolecnal | JordiGH: but all in all, i'm very happy with how it works.. and to be honest, Xgl and Compiz has incresed my productivity |
| 17:34.12 | JordiGH | tolecnal: This'll shut up those MacOS X zealots. :P |
| 17:34.48 | cydork | tolecnal: how? |
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| 17:34.53 | stew | JordiGH: compiz + aiglx is working in unstable if you have a card which is supported by aiglx, which is somewhat limited at them moment |
| 17:35.17 | JordiGH | tolecanal: http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=55 |
| 17:35.22 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: If you use nvidia you need the drivers from experimental |
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| 17:35.50 | JordiGH | and http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54 |
| 17:36.07 | JordiGH | Er... I just linked to flash files, didn't I? That was naughty. |
| 17:36.10 | JordiGH | Sorry. |
| 17:36.28 | tolecnal | JordiGH: it sure does feel like being in mac os x at times :) and it looks damned good |
| 17:36.30 | eldowan | stew: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/ Look for the section under the light color bar in the middle of the page. |
| 17:37.25 | stew | eldowan: right, that is not talking about base as I thought you were, it just says "some tasks", and its only for machines that can't get to the internet from a base install |
| 17:38.12 | infernixx | does gbit work over a crosslink cable? |
| 17:38.41 | faked | !info compiz |
| 17:38.43 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.0.13+git20060928-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
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| 17:38.57 | JordiGH | !tell faked about message the bot |
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| 17:39.36 | faked | after installing compiz, is there something to config, or does it work out of the box? |
| 17:39.52 | infernixx | hrm. is it possible mii-tool in sarge can't set or show gbit on an interface? |
| 17:40.04 | stew | infernixx: yes, you have to switch all 4 pairs. however most gigabit hardware will crossover automatically for you so you can use a straight cable |
| 17:40.20 | eldowan | stew: sorry, I came into the conversation in the middle and thought I'd jump in. |
| 17:40.22 | abrotman | yay mdi/mdx! |
| 17:40.27 | stew | yay |
| 17:40.45 | infernixx | stew: gonna try that for a sec then. not sure if it's a fully crossed cable |
| 17:41.30 | stew | infernixx: check if the brown pair on pins 7,8 are in the same location on both ends, or if its actually crossed to pins 4,5 on one end |
| 17:41.40 | infernixx | stew: same location |
| 17:42.40 | infernixx | stew: well a straight cable gives link. but no indication that it's working on gbit speed; i'll do some tests. mii-tool doesnt report higher than 100, and no e1000 kernel message either |
| 17:43.18 | JordiGH | faked: You're asking because it didn't Just Work (tm) for you? |
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| 17:44.36 | faked | JordiGH, I installed compiz, I use the nvidia-driver, but couldn´t see any difference without compiz, so I think compiz has to be configured? |
| 17:44.53 | JordiGH | faked: /usr/share/doc/compiz ? |
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| 17:45.17 | faked | JordiGH, there is no doc in it! |
| 17:45.29 | abrotman | file a bug! |
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| 17:45.39 | faked | JordiGH, only changelog and copyright |
| 17:45.50 | abrotman | that's documentation! |
| 17:45.51 | RichiH_fallback | abrotman: ever thought about the possibility of you being a bugwhore? |
| 17:46.09 | abrotman | RichiH_fallback: honestly .. i think i've filed five bugs .. one of which was a wishlist :) |
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| 17:46.24 | abrotman | RichiH_fallback: debian has high quality software! |
| 17:46.26 | mynullvoid | hi all |
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| 17:46.34 | RichiH_fallback | abrotman: you are telling others to file them all the time, though |
| 17:46.42 | abrotman | RichiH_fallback: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=submitter&data=atbrotman%40yahoo.com&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable |
| 17:46.45 | RichiH_fallback | abrotman: which makes you a _lazy_ bugwhore ;) |
| 17:46.58 | abrotman | RichiH_fallback: if i actually have a problem with a package .. i'll file a bug |
| 17:47.02 | mynullvoid | currently my shorewall logs are displayed in any tty that is I am viewing, how can I make the shorewall logs only displayed on tty4 only? |
| 17:47.17 | abrotman | notice .. i still have an important bug open .. but gravity doesnt' love me ... |
| 17:47.24 | RichiH_fallback | abrotman: yahoo? |
| 17:47.43 | abrotman | RichiH_fallback: for filing bugs .. yes :) |
| 17:47.56 | RichiH_fallback | eww ;) |
| 17:48.04 | JordiGH | Stop me if you've heard this one before... |
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| 17:48.09 | JordiGH | Documentation is like sex. |
| 17:48.20 | abrotman | RichiH_fallback: i check it most days .. i use it for a garbage account .. online ordering .. Customer support things for stuff i buy .. and filing bugs! |
| 17:48.27 | JordiGH | When it's good, it's really good, and when it's bad, at least it's better than nothing. :-) |
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| 17:48.43 | abrotman | RichiH_fallback: and given that BTS still doesn't obscure email addys .. i'll keep doing it |
| 17:48.53 | wols | abrotman: you have a pretty christian name |
| 17:49.02 | abrotman | wols: for a jewish kid? :) |
| 17:49.04 | JordiGH | !maing abrotman |
| 17:49.08 | JordiGH | !maint abrotman |
| 17:49.23 | abrotman | wols: my mom is catholic/norwegian/italian |
| 17:49.32 | Braindead | mynullvoid: it's a matter of syslogd. you should fiddle with syslog.conf |
| 17:49.35 | wols | she has taste in names :) |
| 17:49.39 | wols | :) |
| 17:49.55 | mynullvoid | ok let me try |
| 17:49.55 | abrotman | wols: So .. Alex is greecian afaik .. Tait is the norwegian spelling of Tate(an english name) and brotman .. we'll just blame ellis island for that |
| 17:50.04 | Braindead | mynullvoid: or either a shorewall matter,it depends upon which --log-level he says netfilter to log |
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| 17:50.25 | abrotman | wols: my parents don't actually call me Alex |
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| 17:50.37 | wols | abrotman: isn't a big champagner house named Tait something too? ah: tatinger |
| 17:50.38 | JordiGH | Alex? |
| 17:50.40 | wols | +i |
| 17:50.54 | RichiH_fallback | abrotman: they call you a**hole? ;) |
| 17:50.56 | JordiGH | Can I call you Sasha, even though there isn't anything Slavic about you? |
| 17:51.08 | abrotman | wols: afaik .. Tait is the scandavian way to spell Tate |
| 17:51.12 | Peggerr | How are you supose to get perl working with apache2? |
| 17:51.14 | abrotman | RichiH_fallback: no ... "Moron" :) |
| 17:51.18 | RichiH_fallback | heh |
| 17:51.20 | wols | Peggerr: mod_perl |
| 17:51.25 | abrotman | RichiH_fallback: better than "Accident" |
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| 17:51.40 | wols | abrotman: U am (accident) :) |
| 17:51.41 | RichiH_fallback | abrotman: or poopybutt |
| 17:51.44 | wols | I am |
| 17:51.53 | poopybutt | what about me? |
| 17:52.06 | abrotman | wols: you're an accident ? |
| 17:52.11 | wols | poopybutt: sucks to have that name. poor you |
| 17:52.15 | Peggerr | wols, libapache-mod-perl? |
| 17:52.17 | Eulex | JordiGH, talking to me? |
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| 17:52.25 | poopybutt | yeah right, i love my name |
| 17:52.37 | poopybutt | is there a good alternative to picasa? |
| 17:52.41 | wols | abrotman: yes :P. Deep catholic villages. two people not married, but kid suddenly underway. that's an accident :) |
| 17:52.45 | poopybutt | it seems to run extremely slow on my computer |
| 17:52.50 | JordiGH | poopybutt: What is picasa? |
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| 17:52.53 | abrotman | wols: yeah .. my parents were married :) |
| 17:52.54 | RichiH_fallback | seems? |
| 17:52.57 | RichiH_fallback | you are not sure about it? |
| 17:52.58 | abrotman | poopybutt: still ? |
| 17:52.58 | wols | Peggerr: yes |
| 17:52.58 | poopybutt | google image viewer |
| 17:53.07 | JordiGH | poopybutt: locate and updatedb? |
| 17:53.12 | wols | JordiGH: google software for pictures |
| 17:53.27 | Peggerr | wols, ok that is installed and I did a restart of apache and still now luck |
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| 17:53.37 | poopybutt | JordiGH: what good will that do for me |
| 17:53.37 | abrotman | ok ... now i'm pissed! |
| 17:53.48 | abrotman | Tait is a boy's .. AND a girl's name |
| 17:53.54 | wols | Peggerr: describe the error a bit more. It must be a config error |
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| 17:54.00 | JordiGH | I don't get Google. They have so many engineers working for them with obvious free software affinities, yet the company itself never releases any free software. |
| 17:54.06 | abrotman | poopybutt: got a screenshot ? |
| 17:54.12 | JordiGH | poopybutt: Do you just want to find images? |
| 17:54.16 | abrotman | JordiGH: that's a popular argument |
| 17:54.25 | poopybutt | no, i want a program that organizes photos and stuff |
| 17:54.32 | abrotman | f-spot is one |
| 17:54.36 | abrotman | gphoto is another |
| 17:54.41 | abrotman | or gthumb .. whatever it is |
| 17:54.45 | JordiGH | Uh, konqueror? |
| 17:54.48 | abrotman | there are numerious web-based |
| 17:54.49 | Peggerr | wols, well the error is I am trying to get moovable type working which havily relies on perl and when I try to log into moovable type all I see is perl code on the website |
| 17:54.52 | abrotman | JordiGH: he means with tags |
| 17:54.53 | poopybutt | abrotman: screenshot of what? |
| 17:54.58 | abrotman | poopybutt: picasa |
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| 17:55.06 | poopybutt | why do you want a screen shot of it? |
| 17:55.10 | Peggerr | wols, eg my website |
| 17:55.15 | abrotman | poopybutt: http://f-spot.org/Main_Page |
| 17:55.16 | wols | JordiGH: google uses a shitton of Free software internally and tese engineers are the best of the best AND it gives them lots of good PR |
| 17:55.25 | abrotman | poopybutt: to see what it looks like .. to get a slightly better idea of what it does |
| 17:55.26 | wols | win, win, win. FOr google. the rest: loses |
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| 17:55.42 | wols | Peggerr: bad mimetype |
| 17:55.54 | Peggerr | mimetype? |
| 17:56.01 | wols | !mimetype |
| 17:56.12 | robert | Hi. I'm having problems with network filesystems, both NFS and SMB (Samba) seem to suffer from the same problem: writes may hang (and remain frozen for many minutes). |
| 17:56.23 | abrotman | poopybutt: FYI .. f-spot is runs on mono |
| 17:56.26 | Peggerr | wols, I am confused |
| 17:56.28 | robert | They have worked fine up until recently. |
| 17:56.54 | JordiGH | wols: But why won't they release any free software? Can you explain that? |
| 17:57.01 | wols | Peggerr: do you know what a mime type is. like text/html? |
| 17:57.16 | Seb | can i tell start to use a different xsession on the command-line ? |
| 17:57.23 | wols | JordiGH: cause they can make more money be keeping it s3cr3t they think |
| 17:57.23 | Seb | like startx -- ... ? |
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| 17:58.26 | wols | JordiGH: which is yet another reason I doN't trust google in the slightest even if I use it every minute in some way |
| 17:58.48 | JordiGH | Google is creepy... It's Annakin Skywalker. |
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| 17:59.32 | Peggerr | wols, like a text format |
| 17:59.40 | abrotman | poopybutt: f-spot might work ? |
| 17:59.59 | wols | Peggerr: mods-enabled/php4.conf: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 |
| 18:00.00 | poopybutt | abrotman: im going to give it a shot. picasa is just so slow for some reason |
| 18:00.09 | wols | this is my mime type for php for example |
| 18:00.16 | poopybutt | abrotman: what do you mean it runs on mono? |
| 18:00.32 | abrotman | !mono |
| 18:00.32 | dpkg | somebody said mono was a community initiative to develop an open source, Cross platform version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. http://www.go-mono.com/ or the kissing disease, mononucleosis |
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| 18:00.52 | abrotman | poopybutt: some have an issue with mono .. i was just making you aware of the platform it runs on |
| 18:02.31 | khermans | anyone have experience with beowulf clustering? |
| 18:02.36 | wols | !info evince |
| 18:02.38 | dpkg | evince: (Document (postscript, pdf) viewer), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.4.0-2+b2 (sid), Packaged size: 794 kB, Installed size: 2256 kB |
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| 18:02.56 | mith | !mith poopybutt |
| 18:02.59 | mith | :( |
| 18:03.07 | poopybutt | whats that? |
| 18:03.22 | wols | !smite mith |
| 18:03.25 | stew | something involving crackpipes |
| 18:03.44 | popeey | what is the deal with this bug report? have any debian users looked at this? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=241005 |
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| 18:04.01 | poopybutt | im afraid i dont get these jokes... people keep mentioning my name and i have no idea why |
| 18:04.17 | poopybutt | i came in the room and half a second later people were talking about me |
| 18:04.20 | Peggerr | wols, this is what I have http://pastebin.com/799494 |
| 18:04.24 | wols | stew: popeey is a troll. the |
| 18:04.28 | abrotman | popeey: not funny |
| 18:04.39 | popeey | i know it's not funny |
| 18:04.44 | popeey | just look what they are saying about debian |
| 18:04.47 | abrotman | so show us the ACTUAL bug report |
| 18:04.56 | abrotman | instead othe attachment .. otherwise .. you're an asshole and a troll |
| 18:05.00 | wols | stew: it opens a dialogbox which then crashes ffox |
| 18:05.00 | popeey | i don't know what you're talking about |
| 18:05.05 | mith | fucking shit that segfaulted safari |
| 18:05.09 | mith | popeey: faggot |
| 18:05.20 | wols | stew: can you please remove him? |
| 18:05.34 | wols | especially since it doesn't say anything about debian |
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| 18:05.52 | wols | thank you |
| 18:05.52 | stew | mith: don't resort to name calling |
| 18:07.14 | poopybutt | abrotman: f-spot is giving me tons of trouble |
| 18:07.21 | abrotman | such as ? |
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| 18:07.32 | abrotman | poopybutt: i haven't used it in a few months |
| 18:08.40 | Peggerr | wols, what am i missing |
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| 18:09.08 | wols | look at one of your blog pages and look at page info in ffox for it |
| 18:09.54 | wols | it's probbaly text/txt or whatever |
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| 18:10.10 | wols | your webserver doesn't know it's perl and doesn't route it through mod_perl |
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| 18:10.33 | wols | you need to add tell apache at anything with extension .pl is application/perl or whatever |
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| 18:11.05 | wols | look for addtype on google. there should be tons of tutorials about that. why it wasn't done with the deb by default, I dunno |
| 18:12.12 | mith | it's clearly covered in the mod_perl documentation. |
| 18:12.41 | apfel | Do the "Official businesscard images for the stable release" include chroot? |
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| 18:13.20 | Ribasushi | greetings |
| 18:13.47 | Ribasushi | I have an amd64 and running a 64bit userland with a 32bit chroot does not prove satisfactory |
| 18:13.58 | dan2 | abrotman: I'm kind of puzzled about our stock market now... something feels wrong |
| 18:13.58 | Ribasushi | is it possible to run a 32bit userland with a 64bit chroot? |
| 18:14.28 | abrotman | dan2: it will only get worse as the election draws nearer |
| 18:14.32 | Ribasushi | I mean will all mu userspace tools like iproute and alike deal correctly with the 64 kernel? |
| 18:14.39 | abrotman | Ribasushi: i uhnm .. don't think it is |
| 18:14.39 | dan2 | abrotman: it set a new alltime high today |
| 18:14.49 | abrotman | level 132 of tetris ? |
| 18:15.05 | jelly | dan2: sounds like a bubble |
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| 18:15.18 | dan2 | abrotman: noticably, tradesports.com says the odds of the republicans holding the house has kept decreasing as the stock market has been running |
| 18:15.34 | Ribasushi | abrotman: what do you think would be an issue? |
| 18:15.48 | Ribasushi | abrotman: I just don't want to waste a ton of time if it is known not to work |
| 18:15.54 | S4nD3r | hi there, I need some help to install a network card in debian box.... |
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| 18:17.20 | dan2 | jelly: it does, but the long term cycle trend appears to have inverted... |
| 18:17.24 | S4nD3r | How to install a network card |
| 18:17.30 | Gnewf | what do you guys think of those Ubuntu people? |
| 18:17.40 | dan2 | jelly: which means it could keep going up until all the homes get foreclosed on (late next year) |
| 18:18.28 | abrotman | Ribasushi: honestly .. i'd ask #debian-amd64 |
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| 18:18.46 | abrotman | dan2: i didn't say it would be good or bad .. just weird |
| 18:19.02 | Ribasushi | oh... didn't know there is :) |
| 18:19.04 | Ribasushi | thanks |
| 18:19.05 | abrotman | Gnewf: we don't |
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| 18:19.17 | dan2 | abrotman: I need to get long infrastructure in to november |
| 18:19.39 | abrotman | dan2: shouldn't you be stealing your mom's car and smoking pot .. you're in high school ffs |
| 18:20.04 | nightfreak | i'm trying to install privoxy and get the error "Package privoxy has no installation candidate", what does it mean? afaik there is a debian package |
| 18:21.22 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 18:21.41 | valdyn | !info privoxy etch |
| 18:21.50 | esteel | nightfreak: you can search for it on debian.org ... packages.. |
| 18:21.52 | dpkg | privoxy: (Privacy enhancing HTTP Proxy), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0.3-2-2 (etch), Packaged size: 835 kB, Installed size: 2064 kB |
| 18:21.56 | abrotman | pdo says it's in all three |
| 18:22.01 | esteel | maybe its not available for your debian version |
| 18:22.20 | valdyn | or maybe he's not using debian |
| 18:22.21 | abrotman | nightfreak: show us oyur sources |
| 18:22.22 | abrotman | !paster |
| 18:22.23 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 18:22.53 | hotnikks | has anyone successfully installed+used the jspwiki package? |
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| 18:23.01 | hotnikks | the package seems to only do part of the installation |
| 18:23.08 | hotnikks | installation/configuration |
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| 18:24.26 | nightfreak | abrotman: deb http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all, deb-src http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all |
| 18:25.09 | valdyn | nightfreak: and where are your lines for the native debian repository? |
| 18:25.12 | stew | nightfreak: you need an actual debian source. dot deb is not a complete debian mirror, it only has the broken php5 and mysql5 packages |
| 18:25.52 | nightfreak | where can i find the sources i need? |
| 18:25.54 | abrotman | nightfreak: please actually paste them |
| 18:25.59 | abrotman | nightfreak: apt-setup |
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| 18:26.24 | abrotman | nightfreak: paste them at channels.debian.net/paste so that we can look at them |
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| 18:27.39 | dan2 | abrotman: there is only one piece of good news I see out of this whole thing |
| 18:27.48 | nightfreak | abrotman: i pasted them in this channel |
| 18:28.00 | stew | nightfreak: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 18:28.01 | S4nD3r | Please, give a tip, how to install a network card?? |
| 18:28.11 | dan2 | abrotman: I do internet telephony/video work. The whole communications complex screams in this environment |
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| 18:28.16 | S4nD3r | I installed debian basic, then now Id like to setup/install my network card |
| 18:28.21 | dan2 | abrotman: good for making payroll |
| 18:28.23 | S4nD3r | Im lost |
| 18:28.29 | Lucufer | Selamlar |
| 18:28.35 | CRK-FOX | I have installed a debian base on my machine... I have a cd set of debian sarge installation |
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| 18:28.49 | CRK-FOX | how I can start the installation from a installed debian box?? |
| 18:29.08 | Braindead | CRK-FOX: debootstrap |
| 18:29.14 | ofer1 | why would you want to do that? |
| 18:29.17 | CRK-FOX | (if I start the installation from cd, the installation don't recognize the hard drives...) |
| 18:29.26 | hotnikks | can someone help me install jspwiki on debian? apt-get install jspwiki doesnt seem to complete the installation |
| 18:29.38 | stew | S4nD3r: does this machine already have a working network card? |
| 18:29.48 | CRK-FOX | yes |
| 18:30.05 | CRK-FOX | but I have 14 cd roms... I dont want download the packages one by one |
| 18:30.14 | stew | CRK-FOX: how is hte CDROM connected? IDE? SCSI? how about the hard drives? |
| 18:30.21 | guk | what do you mean download the packages one by one |
| 18:30.24 | CRK-FOX | hard drives = sas |
| 18:30.28 | guk | if your debian system works well enough to apt-get it takes no time at all |
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| 18:31.13 | stew | CRK-FOX: are you trying the 2.6 kernel or the (default) 2.4 kernel? |
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| 18:31.31 | CRK-FOX | the cd set is sarge 3.1 r0 |
| 18:31.44 | eml | Hi. I've got a pretty fresh installation of Debian Sarge (3.1), which I installed webmin and webmin-shorewall on also, the problem is that I can't access the page ... I accepted the SSL certificate but I'm just getting "Access denied for <myip>" |
| 18:31.52 | stew | CRK-FOX: yeah, that's what i figured, which kernel on that cd are you using? |
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| 18:32.17 | CRK-FOX | how I can view the version of kernel?? |
| 18:33.04 | stew | CRK-FOX: if you didn't do anything you are using 2.4, if you type "linux26" at the boot: prompt you'll use 2.6. if your sas isn't recognized, try alt-f2 to get to a console and try to modprobe megaraid-sas (assuming it's megaraid) |
| 18:33.17 | cydork | CRK-FOX, uname -r |
| 18:33.24 | nightfreak | stew: sorry i dont get it, where do i find the sourcec i need, i think i deleted some lines in the sourcec.list and have to restore it |
| 18:33.34 | stew | CRK-FOX: if that doens't work, you'll have to use an unofficial CD with a backported kernel, look at the last link in /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
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| 18:33.41 | stew | !mirrors |
| 18:33.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 18:33.42 | stew | nightfreak: ^^ |
| 18:34.12 | stew | nightfreak: you SHOULD be running stable if you are using dotdeb, so "apt-setup" should get you going agin |
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| 18:34.21 | CRK-FOX | version installed 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 18:34.39 | stew | CRK-FOX: oh, you are useing testing, not stable |
| 18:34.45 | nightfreak | stew: apt-setup throws an error |
| 18:34.49 | stew | CRK-FOX: did you download the beta cds? |
| 18:34.49 | CRK-FOX | my cd set dont recognize the sas drives... |
| 18:34.56 | CRK-FOX | yes |
| 18:34.57 | stew | CRK-FOX: is it megaraid? |
| 18:35.00 | CRK-FOX | I want a stable version |
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| 18:35.10 | CRK-FOX | is a poweredge 1950 |
| 18:35.58 | stew | CRK-FOX: then you are going to want the cd from "/msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16" otherwise you are going to have to build a custom kernel before you'll be able to get that machine on the network |
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| 18:36.34 | grandy | hello... does anyone know what the most recent debian to use a 2.4 kernel in the livecd was? |
| 18:36.52 | abrotman | there wasn't |
| 18:37.01 | grandy | abrotman: really? |
| 18:37.04 | abrotman | ask #knoppix or #kanotix or #ubuntu |
| 18:37.08 | abrotman | really |
| 18:37.14 | abrotman | debian until recently didn't have a livecd |
| 18:37.22 | grandy | abrotman: ahh that's right |
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| 18:37.58 | CRK-FOX | I got the iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 18:38.02 | nightfreak | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3916 |
| 18:38.13 | grandy | well my problem is that for some reason the megaraid support in the more recent kernels is broken, so i am having a terrible time trying to get linux of any kind on it... |
| 18:38.27 | valdyn | !megaraid |
| 18:38.34 | S4nD3r | how to install a network card (sis900) ???? |
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| 18:38.40 | S4nD3r | Please, I need a little help |
| 18:38.41 | grandy | valdyn: do you know any workarounds other than new hardware? |
| 18:39.04 | valdyn | grandy: nope, but this probablem is common, google does know help |
| 18:39.19 | kakarot | anybody knows how ti fix the 7.1.0-1 trouble in xserver-xorg ? |
| 18:39.25 | valdyn | !listkeys megaraid |
| 18:39.26 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'megaraid' by key returned no results. |
| 18:39.28 | CRK-FOX | this version recognize my sas drives and network.... but the stable release dont recognize my nics and drives... |
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| 18:39.39 | grandy | valdyn: i've read every single thing about it on google..., the conclusion is to use a 2.4 kernel for installing and then upgrade to a very very new 2.6 kernel |
| 18:40.08 | abrotman | grandy: so use the sarge installer |
| 18:40.10 | valdyn | grandy: so you dont really need a livecd |
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| 18:40.30 | grandy | oddly my hardware version should work with the megaraid_mbox driver, which is new for 2.6, but there is some other bug in the kernel (device ids) that makes it not be detected properly... |
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| 18:40.37 | abrotman | grandy: AIUI .. the megaraid driver got merged into one |
| 18:40.42 | grandy | valdyn: how should i proceed to install |
| 18:40.51 | grandy | abrotman: yeah the mbox one, right? |
| 18:40.53 | abrotman | grandy: get the sarge netinst .. put it in the drive .. hit enter |
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| 18:41.00 | abrotman | use the 2.4 it has to install |
| 18:41.07 | valdyn | grandy: install sarge, 2.4 kernel is default, install a newer kernel on top, there's one at least at backports.org |
| 18:41.12 | abrotman | then you can spend the rest of the week trying to get a functional 2.6 on it :) |
| 18:41.21 | esteel | propably noone wants to know but.. Thanks for etch! Its running great on my laptop after i found that error in my dhcp server config :) |
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| 18:41.25 | grandy | abrotman: yeah already have that planned... :) |
| 18:41.25 | stew | CRK-FOX: right, that's why i'm trying to point you to a stable installer with a newer knerel, the newer kenrnel will recognize your nics and drives |
| 18:41.51 | valdyn | grandy: questions is though if you really need a 2.6 kernel, but that is up to you |
| 18:41.54 | grandy | ok... so the sarge netinst should let me find the drive to install ? |
| 18:42.02 | hell-patrol | hello all i have problem whit sound driver i try to start xmms in console and in console write problem libmicmod.I try to search this mode but i dont find.Anybody help me |
| 18:42.08 | stew | CRK-FOX: i've used the iso from kmuto.jp to install to a 1950 recently |
| 18:42.12 | grandy | valdyn: not really sure... probably don't really need it in this case |
| 18:42.34 | grandy | my question is, will the sarge netinst be able to detect the drive? |
| 18:43.35 | valdyn | kakarot: there's trouble? |
| 18:43.44 | S4nD3r | how to install a network card (sis900) ???? |
| 18:43.49 | stew | nightfreak: amd64 is in the main repositories now, not separate repositories, so get rid of the 'debian-amd64' part of the urls. and you should take the dot-deb lines out of sources.list if you are running testing |
| 18:44.00 | infernixx | cdebootstrap breaks after unpacking and then configuring apt with "E: Couldn't install system due to errors!". where can i find out whats going wrong? |
| 18:44.21 | valdyn | infernixx: which debian release are you trying to bootstrap? |
| 18:44.29 | hell-patrol | hello all i have problem whit sound driver i try to start xmms in console and in console write problem libmicmod.I try to search this mode but i dont find.Anybody help me |
| 18:44.30 | stew | infernixx: what was the last task it said it was tryig to perform before the error? |
| 18:44.35 | grandy | abrotman: so when i install sarge is the netint going to boot the 2.6 kernel when it loads? |
| 18:44.53 | infernixx | valdyn: sarge, off a debian from scratch cd. looking at the bootstrap logs it seems its unable to parse Release |
| 18:44.53 | valdyn | grandy: 2.4 is default |
| 18:44.53 | abrotman | grandy: no ... 2.4 by default .. as long as you don't type linux26 or expert26 .. should use a 2.4 |
| 18:45.02 | grandy | ahhh ok excellent |
| 18:45.03 | grandy | whew... |
| 18:45.07 | infernixx | first time ever for me that cdebootstrap fails. |
| 18:45.20 | valdyn | infernixx: dfs doesnt sound like a suitable source of packages to me |
| 18:45.25 | grandy | going to try it... i'll be back later in all liklihood but thanks much for the help guys |
| 18:45.29 | stew | infernixx: try a different mirror |
| 18:45.33 | hell-patrol | i use 2.4.27 kernel |
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| 18:45.39 | infernixx | valdyn: DFS is debian from scratch, a bootable debian cd. im using ftp.nl.debian.org |
| 18:45.45 | infernixx | valdyn: dfs aint a mirror:) |
| 18:45.52 | valdyn | infernixx: yea i know |
| 18:45.54 | stew | hell-patrol: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
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| 18:46.01 | emonkey-u | good evening... does anybody know how I can delete an ext3 journal |
| 18:46.05 | valdyn | infernixx: doesnt change what i said or what stew meant |
| 18:46.05 | emonkey-u | only the journal? |
| 18:46.10 | nightfreak | stew: where do i edit the url? |
| 18:46.13 | stew | emonkey-u: /msg dpkg ext3->ext2 |
| 18:46.30 | emonkey-u | stew: with mk2fs? |
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| 18:46.37 | stew | nightfreak: /etc/apt/sources.list (man sources.list) |
| 18:46.40 | hell-patrol | i unmute my sound |
| 18:46.43 | stew | dpkg: tell emonkey-u about ext3->ext2 |
| 18:46.43 | hotnikks | why is the jspwiki package such a pos? |
| 18:47.02 | stew | hotnikks: what is wrong with it? |
| 18:47.10 | hotnikks | it doesnt work? |
| 18:47.17 | cydork | !doesn't work |
| 18:47.17 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 18:47.18 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 18:47.18 | hotnikks | apt-get install jspwiki |
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| 18:47.24 | hotnikks | ... |
| 18:47.25 | emonkey-u | stew: many thanks I'll try |
| 18:47.27 | stew | hotnikks: did you look for a /usr/share/doc/jspwiki/README.Debian ? |
| 18:47.28 | hotnikks | install/config is not complete |
| 18:47.32 | abrotman | emonkey-u: why would you want to ? |
| 18:47.43 | abrotman | nm |
| 18:47.59 | hotnikks | yes its from 2003 |
| 18:48.01 | hotnikks | and its incorrect |
| 18:48.12 | stew | hotnikks: the README.Debian is incorrect? |
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| 18:48.17 | abrotman | from 2003 .. like the rest of sarge ... |
| 18:48.22 | abrotman | wait .. no |
| 18:48.26 | abrotman | yes? |
| 18:48.33 | cydork | abrotman, nope |
| 18:48.35 | abrotman | woody ? |
| 18:48.36 | cydork | !release |
| 18:48.37 | dpkg | Sarge has been released (2005-06-06). Sarge is Debian 3.1, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <woody->sarge>. |
| 18:48.40 | abrotman | !woody |
| 18:48.40 | dpkg | methinks woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 was terminated on 2006-06-30 |
| 18:48.45 | abrotman | whatever ... |
| 18:48.46 | nightfreak | stew: i just need to know the sources i have to put there! |
| 18:48.54 | emonkey-u | abrotman: coruppt journal after fsck... |
| 18:48.58 | abrotman | doh! |
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| 18:49.34 | hotnikks | im running etch |
| 18:49.35 | stew | nightfreak: your sources were fine except the /debian-amd64 part of the url should be removed so it is just http://somemirror.org/debian not http://somemirror.org/debian-amd64/debian |
| 18:49.35 | hotnikks | abrotman |
| 18:49.40 | infernixx | valdyn, stew: cdebootstrap with ftp.de.debian.org doesn't work either. |
| 18:49.41 | abrotman | hotnikks |
| 18:49.48 | godzirra | where is the raid howto? |
| 18:49.51 | abrotman | !info jspwiki etch |
| 18:49.53 | sophacles | hi all. i have a log target in my iptables rules. --log-level info. how do i get it to stop spamming my console |
| 18:49.55 | dpkg | jspwiki: (WikiWikiWeb clone written in Java), section web, is optional. Version: 2.2.33-5 (etch), Packaged size: 2457 kB, Installed size: 3224 kB |
| 18:50.02 | valdyn | infernixx: i only ever used debootstrap |
| 18:50.10 | godzirra | I foudn a couple but they were for 2.4 kernels. |
| 18:50.10 | infernixx | valdyn, stew: exact same error too. |
| 18:50.13 | Braindead | sophacles: either change the level or configure syslog |
| 18:50.21 | hotnikks | abrotman; ? |
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| 18:50.29 | hotnikks | it apt-get install'ed fine |
| 18:50.37 | hotnikks | it just "doesnt work" as in the installation is not complete |
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| 18:50.46 | cydork | hotnikks, any errors? |
| 18:50.46 | stew | hotnikks: please file a wishlist bug about how the README.Debian is incorrect. for extra credit, include a patch that fixes it |
| 18:50.48 | hotnikks | theres several more steps required apparently |
| 18:51.10 | hotnikks | you apparently need to add half a dozen symlinks |
| 18:51.13 | hotnikks | trying to figure it out now |
| 18:51.24 | abrotman | wait .. you have to do work ? and you're mad about it ? |
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| 18:51.28 | stew | hotnikks: it looks like it no longer installs to /usr/share/java/webapps/JSPWiki but installs to /usr/share/jspwiki |
| 18:51.39 | sophacles | Braindead, um i looked at my syslog.conf and took out all the stuff that outputs to the terminal and restarted syslogd to no effect. Im prolly missing something but im not sure what. |
| 18:51.48 | hotnikks | right |
| 18:51.50 | hotnikks | ive noticed that |
| 18:51.50 | stew | hotnikks: it shouldn't require any symlinks, but it should require some server aliasing (like any other webapp in debian) |
| 18:51.59 | valdyn | sophacles: see /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 18:52.01 | stew | hotnikks: please file a bug: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 18:52.16 | abrotman | RichiH_fallback: see .. it's not just me! |
| 18:52.20 | valdyn | sophacles: your syslog.conf does not determine that kind of console output |
| 18:52.22 | hotnikks | i symlinked /etc/jspwiki/tomcat.policy to /etc/tomcat5/policy.d |
| 18:52.35 | hotnikks | as 05jspwiki.policy |
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| 18:53.33 | Braindead | valdyn: sysctl.conf has nothing to do with the matter in question. it's useful to manipulate the /proc/sys/ fs |
| 18:53.44 | sophacles | valydyn cool. found the line, uncommented it, now what do i need to run, restart, or whatnot to get it to work? |
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| 18:53.48 | emonkey-u | thanks to you all! you're great! It looks like it works. :) |
| 18:53.51 | nightfreak | stew: no, ther is no /debian-amd64 in the url in any of the sources, but it says Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found when i do a apt-get update |
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| 18:54.08 | valdyn | Braindead: oh yes it does determine where kernel printk's go to |
| 18:54.10 | stew | hotnikks: there is a bug filed against jspwiki with a patch, check that bug as well |
| 18:54.14 | abrotman | nightfreak: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. please |
| 18:54.20 | abrotman | nightfreak: paste the one line in here |
| 18:54.26 | hotnikks | stew; where do i search for that? |
| 18:54.31 | infernixx | hm. would I be able to debootstrap sarge with the Etch Beta 3 installer CD? |
| 18:54.32 | stew | hotnikks: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 18:54.50 | Braindead | valdyn: I still think you're mixing up sysctl.conf and syslog.conf |
| 18:54.51 | stew | nightfreak: yes, amd64 is not in sarge officially, you switched the url from sarge to testing since you last pasted then |
| 18:54.55 | valdyn | Braindead: no |
| 18:55.01 | stew | nightfreak: what version does "dpkg -l | grep libc6" report? |
| 18:55.13 | stew | why grep, stew? |
| 18:55.22 | stew | nightfreak: what version does "dpkg -l libc6" report? |
| 18:55.36 | nightfreak | abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 18:55.56 | jelly | talking to oneself is not a sign of sanity |
| 18:56.02 | RichiH_fallback | abrotman: you made poor stew do it |
| 18:56.20 | abrotman | nightfreak: ok .. look .. you need unofficial debian-amd64 mirrors for sarge |
| 18:56.22 | RichiH_fallback | abrotman: he is but a tool for your perverse fantasies |
| 18:56.23 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 18:56.24 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 18:56.32 | abrotman | RichiH_fallback: he drinks beer too! |
| 18:56.36 | RichiH_fallback | good |
| 18:57.04 | stew | since i moved i have to walk too far to get beer now and i've been drinking less, i need to be less lazy |
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| 18:57.04 | nightfreak | abrotman: ok, where do i find the mirrors i need? |
| 18:57.08 | valdyn | sophacles: run 'sysctl -p' |
| 18:57.15 | abrotman | nightfreak: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 18:57.20 | abrotman | stew: send the wife! |
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| 18:57.28 | stew | nightfreak: deb http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ stable main |
| 18:57.31 | RichiH_fallback | stew: get a crate |
| 18:57.34 | sophacles | w00t |
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| 18:57.41 | abrotman | stew: get a kegerator! |
| 18:57.48 | stew | d) all of the above |
| 18:58.01 | valdyn | sophacles: you should have no logging output at all now i suspect thoug, so you might want to look into the documentation on which value is responsible for console spam |
| 18:58.04 | abrotman | at least with a kegarator .. the beer people will deliver! |
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| 18:58.39 | RichiH_fallback | beer comes in two varieties: http://www.alkoport.de/onlineshop/images/medium/augustiner-kasten.gif and http://www.weisses-brauhaus.de/img/brauerei.spezialitaeten.original.033.kasten.jpg |
| 18:58.41 | cydork | sophacles, there is a option for klogd for that afaik |
| 18:58.42 | stew | or at least for obesity |
| 18:58.43 | sophacles | valdyn: thanks it worked well. where is the good docs on sysctl |
| 18:58.55 | infernixx | ok, its official. DFS 0.99 sucks balls. |
| 18:59.01 | valdyn | sophacles: man sysctl |
| 18:59.16 | porkpie1 | speeves:I have installed custom sarge distro you pointed me to but the network card hasn't come up ?? |
| 18:59.17 | stew | RichiH_fallback: german beer is boring (*ducks*) |
| 18:59.26 | valdyn | sophacles: man sysctl.conf too, and uh, probably your kernels documentation for the switches |
| 18:59.51 | stew | RichiH_fallback: s/german beer is boring/happy oktoberfest/ |
| 19:00.00 | Braindead | aaaah the kernel/printk |
| 19:00.11 | Braindead | I see now |
| 19:00.35 | werdna | http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1293900553935813060 <-- Dude Debian needs a little kid like that for a commerical |
| 19:00.52 | hotnikks | meh |
| 19:01.07 | RichiH_fallback | stew: yah, i was there yesterday |
| 19:01.29 | abrotman | stew: put the kegerator in the basement? |
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| 19:01.37 | nightfreak | stew: ok its running now thanks |
| 19:01.39 | stew | abrotman: there is no room yet |
| 19:01.48 | sophacles | valdyn cool. thanks again. |
| 19:01.58 | abrotman | stew: you need to throw out the stuff .. that .. uhm .. *you* will never use :) |
| 19:02.05 | valdyn | sophacles: Documentation/sysctl/* |
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| 19:02.20 | RichiH_fallback | i need to leave |
| 19:02.21 | stew | abrotman: i need to get rid of a lot of books |
| 19:02.29 | Braindead | I always used to change the --log-level instead of messing with the printk level |
| 19:02.31 | RichiH_fallback | stew: if you think german beer is boring, i can only pity you |
| 19:02.39 | sophacles | cydork, a quick look at man klogd seems to imply that there may be the answer there too. thanks for the pointer |
| 19:02.40 | infernixx | oh noes! debian's etch installer doesn't even have (c)debootstrap on it?? |
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| 19:02.44 | RichiH_fallback | stew: you must be sobbing in your chamber, at night |
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| 19:02.56 | RichiH_fallback | about yourself, your life and your taste |
| 19:03.04 | petemc | RichiH_fallback: bud is the king of beers! so nice and fresh.. |
| 19:03.04 | Braindead | valdyn: thanks for the info,I never noticed that on the sysfs |
| 19:03.05 | hotnikks | ok so webapps in general |
| 19:03.13 | stew | RichiH_fallback: i meant to say "happy oktoberfest", the other thing that came out was my dog stepping on my keyboard, it was an accident |
| 19:03.19 | RichiH_fallback | stew: if you ever get augustiner and or schneider weisse, we will talk again |
| 19:03.22 | hotnikks | they need to be under /var/lib/tomcat5/webapps? |
| 19:03.23 | valdyn | Braindead: /proc/sys, not sysfs |
| 19:03.25 | RichiH_fallback | petemc: nice try |
| 19:03.31 | RichiH_fallback | petemc: way too obvious, thoguh :) |
| 19:03.35 | petemc | :) |
| 19:03.43 | Braindead | valdyn: /proc/sys fs :P |
| 19:03.46 | RichiH_fallback | stew: yah, yah ;) |
| 19:03.46 | stew | RichiH_fallback: i have had augustiner, and liked it |
| 19:03.53 | RichiH_fallback | good :) |
| 19:04.08 | hotnikks | what is this /var/lib/tomcat5/Catalina/localhost/ directory? |
| 19:04.15 | hotnikks | looks like the package put a JSPWiki.xml fil ehtere |
| 19:04.16 | stew | RichiH_fallback: the number of lagers I can handle is limited, and germans make too many lagers, and the purity law is stupid though |
| 19:04.24 | hotnikks | which has the correct context path and docbase |
| 19:04.34 | RichiH_fallback | stew: lagers are eew |
| 19:04.37 | abrotman | stew: library! |
| 19:04.41 | RichiH_fallback | as are pils, koelsch etc |
| 19:04.52 | RichiH_fallback | stew: lagers come from belgium mainly, too |
| 19:04.54 | stew | RichiH_fallback: pils/koelsch are lagers |
| 19:04.55 | Braindead | yeah, /sys is a 2.6 thingie.... |
| 19:05.10 | RichiH_fallback | stew: if you live outside of germany, they may call them that, yes |
| 19:05.15 | stew | RichiH_fallback: i mean anything bottom fermented |
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| 19:05.24 | lasfd | gnu/linux |
| 19:05.37 | Charminthemoose | why is synaptic threating to remove initrd-tools,base-config,my 2.4 kernel and my 2.6 kernel and also libsdl-1.2-debian--oss? |
| 19:05.43 | porkpie1 | valdyn:I have install sarge on this bloody 1950 but I can't seem to get the network card up ...I have just tried to ping an address and got destination unreachable |
| 19:05.50 | wols | stew: why is the purity law stupid? |
| 19:06.03 | Bhavesh | why so many question |
| 19:06.03 | Bhavesh | ? :) |
| 19:06.13 | Ronin | purity law? as in beer purity law? |
| 19:06.15 | petemc | porkpie1: is bnx2 loaded ? |
| 19:06.24 | wols | Ronin: yes |
| 19:06.32 | infernixx | alright, using debootstrap off the etch beta 3 installer now to install sarge. this better work or i'll cry |
| 19:06.32 | RichiH_fallback | stew: augustiner is a fair beer. those are bottoms |
| 19:06.42 | Ronin | always thought it was a good idea myself |
| 19:06.42 | stew | wols: i just don't see the point of telling people they cannot use, say, molases in their beer |
| 19:06.45 | godzirra | where is the raid howto? I can only find ones that usse the 2.4 kernel. |
| 19:06.46 | RichiH_fallback | stew: schneider is wheat, which is top |
| 19:06.48 | Bhavesh | in case if he cries |
| 19:06.50 | porkpie1 | fixed :) |
| 19:06.56 | Charminthemoose | why is synaptic threating to remove initrd-tools,base-config,my 2.4 kernel and my 2.6 kernel and also libsdl-1.2-debian--oss when i attempt to install tremulous? |
| 19:07.01 | wols | Ronin: one of the oldest law in the books, and certainly the only in effect longest. it's not only law it's heritage and tradition here |
| 19:07.05 | infernixx | Bhavesh: thanks. i'll be sure not to throw them at the core router here |
| 19:07.06 | stew | RichiH_fallback: i like many wheat beers, but generally only when it is hot |
| 19:07.11 | Quintin | How do I check a disk and make sure it is healthy? |
| 19:07.22 | madclicker | hi, on etch i use pppoe and pptp for vpn, my logs are filled with "pppd[2142]: Failed to open /dev/pts/0: No such file or directory" why is it/ |
| 19:07.24 | madclicker | ? |
| 19:07.26 | wols | Quintin: smartmontools |
| 19:07.31 | Bhavesh | infernixx: well dont' let the tears fall on the router :) |
| 19:07.32 | The_Exorcist | hey |
| 19:07.38 | The_Exorcist | i have a little question |
| 19:07.41 | abrotman | wheat beers in the summer kick ass! |
| 19:07.41 | infernixx | Bhavesh: i heard Juniper isnt water-proof ;) |
| 19:07.45 | RichiH_fallback | stew: hot beer? ew! |
| 19:07.47 | RichiH_fallback | ;) |
| 19:07.49 | The_Exorcist | did someone try to run "freevo" on debian? |
| 19:07.51 | infernixx | but no worries, it's working! yay |
| 19:07.55 | Bhavesh | infernixx: exactly :) |
| 19:07.57 | Bhavesh | congrats |
| 19:08.00 | wols | !someone |
| 19:08.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:08.06 | RichiH_fallback | stew: anyway, i need to leave ;) |
| 19:08.07 | hotnikks | how do i get tomcat to read the files in /var/lib/tomcat5/Catalina/localhost? |
| 19:08.11 | hotnikks | theres a JSPWiki.xml in there which looks correct but when i go to /JSPWiki on port 8180 (debian) it says not found :/ |
| 19:08.17 | RichiH_fallback | talk about beer soon :) |
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| 19:08.29 | Ronin | RichiH_fallback: :) |
| 19:08.29 | Bhavesh | you know my installation is going to get bloated because i keep installing different packages i hear about on here |
| 19:08.35 | Quintin | wols: I try to copy some stuff... and it goes for awhile, then it says read-only filesystem. but mount shows rw. then I try to unmoun tand remount, and mount takes 3 min to return adn says "you must specify filesystem type". it's ext3 on linux |
| 19:08.36 | RichiH_fallback | even though he always repeats the same endlessly |
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| 19:08.51 | Bhavesh | RichiH_fallback: where do you find 'talking' beer? you sure you want to drink beer that talks back? :) |
| 19:08.52 | Braindead | Bhavesh: try debfoster ;) at least you'll have one more package |
| 19:08.56 | RichiH_fallback | Ronin: and yes, purity laws are the rocks :) |
| 19:09.02 | Bhavesh | Braindead: done.. and deboprhan too :) |
| 19:09.06 | RichiH_fallback | Bhavesh: depends on amount |
| 19:09.10 | RichiH_fallback | ;) |
| 19:09.10 | RichiH_fallback | off |
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| 19:09.14 | Bhavesh | hahaha |
| 19:09.15 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 19:09.19 | lasfd | DCC SEND "STARTKEYLOGGER" |
| 19:09.37 | hotnikks | ahah |
| 19:09.39 | Ronin | ack |
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| 19:10.08 | Quintin | wols: are there any tools on livecd I can use to check disc? |
| 19:10.17 | stew | go tigers! |
| 19:10.19 | Bhavesh | ok now that i have smarttools installed.. what do i do? |
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| 19:10.31 | Bhavesh | brb don't answer my question just yet |
| 19:10.36 | amphi | tigers? |
| 19:10.39 | hotnikks | did DCC SEND "STARTKEYLOGGER" make them logoff? |
| 19:10.44 | wols | Quintin: which livecd? |
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| 19:10.47 | stew | hotnikks: don't do that |
| 19:10.50 | nalioth | hotnikks: please don't do that |
| 19:10.53 | hotnikks | stew; ? |
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| 19:11.02 | stew | hotnikks: the answer is yes. so you should do that |
| 19:11.07 | nalioth | hotnikks: you just pulled the trigger (AGAIN) |
| 19:11.10 | Rez | hotnikks: you should not do that. |
| 19:11.24 | hotnikks | oh ok |
| 19:11.24 | hotnikks | my b |
| 19:11.24 | hotnikks | maybe you can answer my tomcat question then ;) |
| 19:11.28 | Rez | try #apache maybe? |
| 19:11.31 | stew | oh, s/should/should not/ in my last statement |
| 19:11.32 | hotnikks | tried #tomcat |
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| 19:11.58 | wols | stew: I'd rather had if he continued. so he'd get klines |
| 19:12.02 | wols | s/d |
| 19:12.04 | Quintin | wols: ubuntu is what I'm using since it has gparted |
| 19:12.07 | infernixx | !find icpcon |
| 19:12.35 | wols | Quintin: ask them then what to use. dunno what's on the disk. only one I know is smartmontools |
| 19:12.43 | wols | Quintin: IIRC knoppix has it |
| 19:13.24 | esteel | why does my debian not seem to honor the setting in /etc/default/locales? |
| 19:13.28 | Digital_Pioneer | Hi, all. I'm probably in the wrong place, but this seemed as good a place as any, so here goes. |
| 19:13.32 | amphi | Quintin: the sysresccd.org iso also has it |
| 19:13.33 | Braindead | Quintin: if you really suspect your HD is seriously broken might as well try ultimatebootcd,it has some proprietary producer's tools |
| 19:13.34 | Bhavesh | ok answer my question |
| 19:13.59 | Digital_Pioneer | As you can probably guess, I'm using Debian. I seem to be having trouble with kde or kdm... |
| 19:14.21 | Quintin | Braindead: can that tell me the health of the drive if it's just linux on it? |
| 19:14.34 | wols | Bhavesh: man smartctl. Question answered |
| 19:14.49 | Charminthemoose | why when i try to install stuff in synaptic,it threatens to remove KDE and Gnome? |
| 19:14.57 | Quintin | Braindead: well I'm not sure.. I made partitions + filesystems fine, but now it's not working for this copy |
| 19:15.13 | Braindead | Quintin: smartmontools should do the job |
| 19:15.15 | Digital_Pioneer | On startup, I login, and it proceeds to the splash screen where it loads to "Initializing system services" and hangs for a while and then the splash screen disappears and I'm left with nothing but a background image. |
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| 19:15.43 | Braindead | splash screen? |
| 19:15.49 | Volvo | Bye All |
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| 19:16.01 | Braindead | Digital_Pioneer: is it Ubuntu? |
| 19:16.12 | Digital_Pioneer | Braindead, no..... Debian Sarge. |
| 19:16.31 | Charminthemoose | anyone? |
| 19:16.47 | Ronin | Charminthemoose: depends, we need more information |
| 19:16.56 | Digital_Pioneer | Braindead, it's the point where it has the icons at the bottom of a splash and it says it's loading stuff. |
| 19:17.05 | wols | Digital_Pioneer: stop kdm, use startx.check if something's written to stderr/stdout |
| 19:17.11 | wols | check all logs |
| 19:17.31 | Braindead | aaaah kdm |
| 19:17.34 | Charminthemoose | What other information can i give you Rnin? |
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| 19:17.37 | wols | one of the kde "daemons" is crashing or exiting in a bad way I guess |
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| 19:18.01 | Ronin | Charminthemoose: what are you running, what are you installing, what is the exact msg etc. |
| 19:18.01 | wols | Charminthemoose: try to install stuff in apt-get and paste the output from that |
| 19:18.02 | Rockj | Hey. How do I block postgresql in /etc/hosts.deny ? or what is it's daemon identifier? like mysql is mysqld |
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| 19:18.20 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, just a quick note, after stopping kdm and doing startx, I did not get a GUI back. |
| 19:18.39 | wols | Digital_Pioneer: check your X logs then |
| 19:18.50 | Digital_Pioneer | It went to a solid black screen, and so I went back to tty1 which is filled with output... |
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| 19:19.26 | Charminthemoose | I'm running sarge on a 2.6.8 kernel.I have a 800mhz intel 3 processor |
| 19:19.36 | wols | Rockj: grep sql /etc/services |
| 19:19.41 | nightfly | hi all |
| 19:19.50 | valdyn | Digital_Pioneer: you can run 'startx 2>&1 > logfile' and paste that at a paste site for us to read |
| 19:19.55 | Bhavesh | smarttools are COOL |
| 19:19.56 | Digital_Pioneer | wols: Perhaps "Symbol __glXMalloc from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a is unresolved!" means something to you? |
| 19:19.58 | Charminthemoose | and i'm trying to install tremulous. |
| 19:20.09 | wols | Charminthemoose: has anyone asked that info from you? no |
| 19:20.17 | Digital_Pioneer | Uhhhhhhhhh, that would be very difficult. |
| 19:20.20 | Ronin | wols: technically i did |
| 19:20.27 | wols | Digital_Pioneer: yes. your nvidia or ati or mesa install is fucked |
| 19:20.41 | wols | Ronin: useful info. not gibberish unrelated |
| 19:20.42 | Ronin | wols: they asked why is synaptic asking to remove kde and i said we needed more info |
| 19:20.46 | Ronin | true |
| 19:20.50 | valdyn | Charminthemoose: that error can be ignored.. most likely |
| 19:20.52 | Digital_Pioneer | valdyn, while I _do_ get internet on Debian, it would be fairly difficult to upload that without a GUI. |
| 19:20.57 | nightfly | i've got this problem: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 19:21.00 | pipeline | Digital_Pioneer: it would? |
| 19:21.02 | Charminthemoose | right i'll just sit here and bash my head against the keyboard. |
| 19:21.06 | valdyn | Digital_Pioneer: why difficult? |
| 19:21.14 | valdyn | Digital_Pioneer: lynx and some paste site work fine |
| 19:21.14 | wols | Digital_Pioneer: no it won't |
| 19:21.16 | Digital_Pioneer | wols: In more docile language, would you tell me what you recommend I do about it? |
| 19:21.31 | wols | Digital_Pioneer: install a webbrowser? |
| 19:21.35 | Digital_Pioneer | For a n00b such as myself it would. ;) |
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| 19:22.04 | Digital_Pioneer | A web browser? Ha. That's easy when I'm in something like KDM, but I'm using a console here. |
| 19:22.08 | wols | Charminthemoose: 21:18 < wols> Charminthemoose: try to install stuff in apt-get and paste the output from that |
| 19:22.14 | Rockj | wols: I've done that, and ive tried adding both without success =/ |
| 19:22.25 | wols | Digital_Pioneer: valdyn just told you. follow his advice |
| 19:22.26 | valdyn | Digital_Pioneer: 'G' key for opening a site, cursor keys and space / page up / page down for navigating, run 'apt-get install lynx' and try |
| 19:22.41 | Rockj | wols: even mysql shows as only mysql, but it's mysqld we are using in the /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny |
| 19:22.52 | wols | Rockj: netstat -anp|grep LIST |less. check which is/could be postfix |
| 19:23.11 | nightfly | any answer pls? :) |
| 19:23.27 | wols | nightfly: install alsa properly |
| 19:23.49 | wols | !tell nightfly about alsa one-liner |
| 19:23.50 | valdyn | nightfly: unamr -r |
| 19:23.52 | valdyn | nightfly: uname -r |
| 19:24.12 | Rockj | wols: postmaster? |
| 19:24.13 | nightfly | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:24.21 | valdyn | !2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 19:24.22 | dpkg | methinks 2.4 alsa one-liner is to install alsa on a 2.4 kernel: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-modules-$(uname -r) && alsaconf ; if you are using a 2.6 kernel ask me about <alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 19:24.27 | wols | Rockj: what about it? |
| 19:24.27 | nightfly | apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 19:24.36 | nightfly | but it doesn't work fine |
| 19:24.43 | wols | Rockj: sorry. postgres. brainfart :) |
| 19:24.48 | valdyn | nightfly: ran alsaconf yet? |
| 19:24.54 | chafe__ | where is the kernel config |
| 19:24.57 | wols | nightfly: read that factoid |
| 19:25.03 | chafe__ | where i am able to set options like acpi = off |
| 19:25.07 | wols | chafe__: /boot/config-* |
| 19:25.16 | wols | chafe__: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:25.24 | nightfly | yes, alsaconf can't find any modules |
| 19:25.25 | chafe__ | ah |
| 19:25.27 | wols | that's not kernel config. those are kernel boot aprameters |
| 19:25.27 | chafe__ | thank you wols |
| 19:25.31 | Rockj | wols: there's no such thing as postgres in my netstat -anp|grep LIST ... |
| 19:25.43 | valdyn | chafe__: try that when booting first, hit E key at your grub boot manager |
| 19:25.55 | wols | Rockj: my postfix process with the port is "master" and not postfix either |
| 19:25.56 | Rockj | wols: This one maybe? unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 5523762 27831/postmaster /var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432 |
| 19:26.05 | chafe__ | valdyn what |
| 19:26.14 | chafe__ | valdyn dont edit the config, but first use E at grub ? |
| 19:26.25 | wols | Rockj: that's a UNIX socket, not a TCP one |
| 19:26.33 | valdyn | chafe__: right, that will let you edit the config, for one run, not permanently |
| 19:26.37 | wols | chafe__: yes. safer this way |
| 19:26.44 | chafe__ | okj |
| 19:26.47 | wols | chafe__: test it first |
| 19:26.47 | hotnikks | fuck jspwiki package |
| 19:26.51 | hotnikks | its a goddamn piece of shit |
| 19:26.55 | Rockj | Stopping PostgreSQL database server: postmaster. |
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| 19:27.03 | Rockj | so it might be postmaster I'm looking for then? |
| 19:27.03 | valdyn | chafe__: longest line is the one to append acpi=off to ( most probably, starts with vmlinuz ) |
| 19:27.27 | wols | Rockj: sounds like it. but debian sql servers don't listen on TCP by default. unless you explicitly tell them to |
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| 19:27.54 | wols | Rockj: would be a security risk, quite rightfully |
| 19:28.06 | BucWheat | what file do i edit to have debian clear /tmp on reboot? |
| 19:28.18 | petemc | thats the default |
| 19:28.27 | jzxu | has anyone run into the xserver-xorg postinst script bug other than me? The one about null value? |
| 19:29.03 | wols | jzxu: tons.look in BTS |
| 19:29.28 | porkpie1 | blast:I have just upgraded the kernel to 2.6-em64t-p4-smp and I get a kernel panic : Attempted to kill init! |
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| 19:29.47 | jzxu | wols: I did see some on there, I was wondering when they will be resolved |
| 19:29.49 | wols | porkpie1: isn't there more to it? |
| 19:29.52 | Rockj | wols: postgresql still shows as open port when I portscan it from another computer =/ |
| 19:30.00 | porkpie1 | wols:yeah |
| 19:30.07 | petemc | porkpie1: what did you use to build the initrd? |
| 19:30.12 | Rockj | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.15 | wols | if you KNOW which port, why are you not capable in seeing which process it is? |
| 19:30.37 | valdyn | Rockj: you really want to edit your postgresql configuration to only listen to localhost |
| 19:30.43 | wols | jzxu: there is also a workaroun in BTS. quite on top |
| 19:30.45 | valdyn | Rockj: and restart it after that.. |
| 19:30.55 | stew | abrotman: wow, its over already |
| 19:30.57 | wols | or that when you can do it |
| 19:31.03 | stew | abrotman: that was a fast game |
| 19:31.17 | porkpie1 | petemc:I used a the sarge custom amd64 http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 19:31.28 | Rockj | valdyn: but shouldn't I be able to block it with /etc/hosts.deny too? :S |
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| 19:31.47 | wols | Rockj: you should but that's a bandaid compared to not even listening |
| 19:31.53 | jpin | Hi, my "man fgets" is not working, does anyone know the package for c functions manuals? |
| 19:31.54 | abrotman | stew: good pitching does that! :) |
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| 19:31.58 | wols | Rockj: and you still haven't answered my question |
| 19:32.12 | abrotman | stew: frank thomas almost single handedly beat them :) |
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| 19:32.16 | porkpie1 | petemc:every thing was fine until I updates the kernel to 64t with smp |
| 19:32.17 | wols | jpin: look on packages.debian.org libc6-dev or so |
| 19:32.24 | jpin | wols: thanks |
| 19:32.42 | petemc | porkpie1: i asked what you used to build the initrd when you upgraded the kernel |
| 19:32.45 | juxx | do you speak spanish??? |
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| 19:32.51 | wols | !es |
| 19:32.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:33.00 | abrotman | dpkg: como estas! |
| 19:33.00 | dpkg | muy bien gracias, y tu |
| 19:33.13 | porkpie1 | petemc:do you mean the command |
| 19:33.17 | jpin | hmm.. wols i have that installed.. |
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| 19:33.34 | wols | jpin: check pdo as I told you waht installs it then |
| 19:33.39 | petemc | porkpie1: there are a number of tools available to build initrds, which did you use? |
| 19:33.40 | wols | maybe there is a doc package I dunno |
| 19:33.59 | jpin | wols: ok, thank you |
| 19:34.35 | Quintin | buffer IO error on device DM-6 |
| 19:34.37 | Quintin | what is DM-6 ?! |
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| 19:34.56 | valdyn | Rockj: is your postgresql even started by inetd? |
| 19:35.03 | abrotman | init.d ? |
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| 19:35.19 | ry1 | hello, I just set up bind on my debian etch box, but it seems that when I set up a local domain, it still refers to a server on the net. I changed resolv.conf to use my box as primary dns, but it still goes out to the net, is there a way to stop it from using a non local dns? |
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| 19:35.22 | valdyn | abrotman: inetd |
| 19:35.28 | Quintin | LVM says that when I boot up... what's it mean? |
| 19:35.43 | ry1 | oh, hey abrotman, long time no talk :) |
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| 19:35.59 | pickcoder | that would be interesting |
| 19:36.00 | Rockj | valdyn: it is, nmap shows port 5332 as open, which is postgresql |
| 19:36.05 | porkpie1 | petemc:all I used was apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4-smp |
| 19:36.06 | HNT | Hello everybody, I'im only asking an advise, do you think it is necessary to run an anti-virus (like Klamav) on a desktop ? |
| 19:36.20 | Quintin | HNT: linux desktop? not really. Unless you're an idiot :P |
| 19:36.26 | Rockj | wols: I'am going to configure it to only listen to localhost too if I'm able too. but I want to add it to /etc/hosts.deny too. |
| 19:36.28 | abrotman | ry1: hi |
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| 19:36.39 | valdyn | Rockj: that wasnt my point, nm |
| 19:36.39 | Quintin | HNT: Only real use would be cleaning dirty attachments you recieve from others so that you don't pass them along |
| 19:36.43 | porkpie1 | petemc:you have built a Dell 1950 haven't you ? |
| 19:37.03 | petemc | i use debian on a few i have, yes |
| 19:37.04 | HNT | Quintin : yeah Linux desktop, but so, why the Klamav project ? |
| 19:37.09 | petemc | dell build them for me.. |
| 19:37.13 | BucWheat | petemc ok thanks |
| 19:37.23 | Quintin | HNT: it runs on a lot of mail servers |
| 19:37.23 | ry1 | abrotman: got any experience with bind? |
| 19:37.26 | porkpie1 | eh |
| 19:37.28 | Quintin | HNT: that serve win32 clients |
| 19:37.31 | abrotman | doesn't everyone ? |
| 19:37.39 | ry1 | not me it seems :) |
| 19:37.40 | porkpie1 | petemc:Dell build them for you ??? |
| 19:37.41 | abrotman | Quintin: not entirely true |
| 19:37.46 | HNT | clamav run on a lot of server but Klamav is a gui for KDE |
| 19:37.54 | petemc | porkpie1: and you too, i presume |
| 19:38.01 | Quintin | HNT: with the K. meh |
| 19:38.12 | porkpie1 | petemc:hahahaha IC |
| 19:38.15 | jpin | No luck: Doesn anyone know the debian package to get C functions man pages "like fgets" installed? |
| 19:38.20 | jzxu | wol: is this the patch you're talking about? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=389822;msg=10;att=0 |
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| 19:38.24 | petemc | porkpie1: my experience is you have to use yaird to build the initrd, and of course make sure megaraid_sas and the other required modules are in that initrd |
| 19:38.29 | abrotman | jpin: build-essential ? |
| 19:38.37 | petemc | porkpie1: i told you this earlier, but you ignored me |
| 19:38.40 | abrotman | oh .. manpages-dev .. or something like that |
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| 19:38.58 | porkpie1 | petemc:sorry I am so stressed about this server £2000 sitting here doing nothing |
| 19:39.07 | nightfly | thanks a lot |
| 19:39.11 | nightfly | now it works fine |
| 19:39.14 | nightfly | :) |
| 19:39.16 | valdyn | jpin: manpages-dev |
| 19:39.24 | nightfly | see ya |
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| 19:39.42 | jelly | porkpie1: declare it a spare. |
| 19:39.45 | porkpie1 | petemc:sorry it wasn't intended ....is the a doc on how to setup this box with debian |
| 19:39.48 | CRK-FOX | stew: are you there??? |
| 19:40.09 | jpin | abrotman: not really. valdyn: thanks, that's it :-) |
| 19:40.15 | petemc | porkpie1: the one i pointed you at earlier worked for me |
| 19:40.17 | hotnikks | the maintainer of jspwiki should be shot |
| 19:40.19 | Digital_Pioneer | valdyn, I don't know what I should do to get the output of startx into a file... |
| 19:40.28 | petemc | porkpie1: http://www.mail-archive.com/yoper-dev@lists.yoper.com/msg00492.html |
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| 19:40.29 | Digital_Pioneer | valdyn, Nothing is working. |
| 19:40.38 | jpin | abrotman: oh.. sorry, yes, the manpages-dev, you said it too |
| 19:40.41 | Digital_Pioneer | Everything I try leaves me with an empty file. :( |
| 19:40.49 | abrotman | jpin: i realized what you were after after reading it again |
| 19:41.00 | jpin | abrotman: heh... thanks man |
| 19:41.14 | jelly | Digital_Pioneer: startx 2>&1 > whatever.log |
| 19:41.15 | porkpie1 | petemc:can I use this for sarge as well ? |
| 19:41.22 | petemc | porkpie1: if you can, reboot back into the kernel you installled with, and use that guide to help you make sure you build the initrd properly when you update the kernel |
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| 19:42.28 | porkpie1 | ah OK |
| 19:42.33 | CRK-FOX | what is a backport?? |
| 19:42.37 | abrotman | !backports |
| 19:42.38 | dpkg | somebody said backports was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 19:42.40 | Digital_Pioneer | jelly, that's what valdyn said to do and it didn't work any better this time than it did last time. |
| 19:42.45 | stew | CRK-FOX: hi |
| 19:42.53 | porkpie1 | petemc:are you running dual cores |
| 19:42.58 | petemc | yes |
| 19:43.18 | porkpie1 | cool ....I will try and do it now |
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| 19:43.37 | porkpie1 | thanks for the help |
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| 19:43.46 | CRK-FOX | stew: hi stew I will send you a private msg ok |
| 19:43.56 | woodgrain | dpkg has a dead link in hardware |
| 19:44.04 | woodgrain | it's the http://lhd.datapower.com/ link |
| 19:44.16 | abrotman | yay .. the LHD is dead again! |
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| 19:45.48 | woodgrain | abrotman, is it dead or did I do something boneheaded? |
| 19:46.04 | stew | CRK-FOX: its better to keep it in channel so others can help / learn. i could also leave at any moment |
| 19:46.10 | abrotman | woodgrain: no .. it's dead again .. the bot has lots of dead links |
| 19:46.14 | Quintin | Where on disk is it best to have my swap partition?? |
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| 19:46.18 | CRK-FOX | ok this channel then... |
| 19:46.19 | Quintin | !swap |
| 19:46.19 | dpkg | swap is probably still a useful and good thing to have, even with lots of available memory: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
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| 19:46.38 | woodgrain | abrotman, so is linuxhardware.net (this can't be happening!) |
| 19:46.44 | wishkah_ | I wanna build zsnes with OpenGL support, configure says it needs opengl header files, what package contains those (nvidia glx)? |
| 19:46.52 | jelly | Digital_Pioneer: ah, looks like X writes directly to the tty. This used to work though. |
| 19:46.54 | CRK-FOX | I install this version of debian http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 19:46.55 | wishkah_ | is that mesa? |
| 19:46.58 | CRK-FOX | is a testing version |
| 19:47.08 | wishkah | I wanna build zsnes with OpenGL support, configure says it needs opengl header files, what package contains those (nvidia glx)? |
| 19:47.12 | CRK-FOX | but is the only one that recognize my nics cards and sas drives... |
| 19:47.13 | woodgrain | Quintin, you can /msg dpkg <helptopic> to keep this bot chatter off-list |
| 19:47.25 | eml | What is the quickest way to make an .sh-file being executed after network is up? |
| 19:47.26 | jelly | Digital_Pioneer: sounds like a bug. |
| 19:47.27 | Quintin | Should it be on the inside or the outside of the hard disk drive? |
| 19:47.31 | CRK-FOX | how I can have a stable release with my nics and sas drives working?? |
| 19:47.34 | eml | Possibly at boot too |
| 19:47.53 | stew | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 19:47.54 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 19:47.54 | CRK-FOX | stew |
| 19:47.55 | abrotman | woodgrain: what are you looking for ? |
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| 19:48.01 | stew | CRK-FOX: ^^^ the knuoto.jp link |
| 19:48.22 | abrotman | kmuto ? |
| 19:48.22 | stew | yeah |
| 19:48.22 | woodgrain | abrotman, dude I need a new mobo/cpu and have no clue how to get started |
| 19:48.28 | woodgrain | want to run unstable debian |
| 19:48.32 | CRK-FOX | stew: checking... |
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| 19:48.36 | abrotman | woodgrain: start with the CPU you want .. then go from there |
| 19:48.53 | Digital_Pioneer | jelly: Tell me about it... :( |
| 19:49.03 | porkpie1 | petemc:I get the message E: Package yaird has no installation canadidate ?? |
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| 19:49.10 | jelly | Digital_Pioneer: reportbug is your friend. :-| |
| 19:49.26 | Digital_Pioneer | jelly: What on earth is that? |
| 19:49.38 | jelly | Digital_Pioneer: a command line utility to report bugs. |
| 19:49.43 | cydork | !reportbug |
| 19:49.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 19:49.43 | stew | porkpie1: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:49.49 | woodgrain | abrotman, i haven't been able to find anything definitive on debian etch + CPU choice. |
| 19:49.58 | abrotman | there probably won't be |
| 19:50.02 | wishkah | I wanna build zsnes with OpenGL support, configure says it needs opengl header files, what package contains those (nvidia glx)? |
| 19:50.06 | karsten | woodgrain: debian requires a cpu. |
| 19:50.11 | karsten | woodgrain: Your turn. |
| 19:50.21 | abrotman | woodgrain: afaik .. any x86 CPU should work |
| 19:50.37 | woodgrain | abrotman, thx. maybe I can discover one that doesn't! |
| 19:50.39 | porkpie1 | petemc:follow the doc ......I am installing yaird |
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| 19:50.44 | karsten | woodgrain: ... or arm, or mips, or IA64, or amd64, or sparc, or parisc ... |
| 19:50.47 | abrotman | woodgrain: 8086 maybe .. |
| 19:50.50 | wishkah | karsten: someone should port linux to no-cpu machines ;) |
| 19:51.01 | woodgrain | karsten, what're you running debian on? |
| 19:51.03 | karsten | wishkah: Well, we've got plenty of no-cpu users. |
| 19:51.04 | abrotman | karsten: not all of those work .. but pretty much any x86 from the last .. 15 years should be fine |
| 19:51.16 | karsten | woodgrain: A 6000 BC abacus. |
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| 19:51.22 | jelly | karsten: not any sparc, some are too old. :-P |
| 19:51.53 | disasm | who command shows users that aren't logged in anymore, is this a bug? |
| 19:51.57 | woodgrain | karsten, that's it, I'm going to put etch on a 4-bit pic micro |
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| 19:52.17 | porkpie1 | petemc:which section of the doc do I need to use |
| 19:52.17 | karsten | woodgrain: *Nothing* runs on PIC. |
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| 19:52.30 | woodgrain | karsten, plywood OS does |
| 19:52.41 | karsten | disasm: Could be somethings fscked with /var/log/wtmp / /var/log/utmp |
| 19:52.46 | disasm | for example, my ssh session that got dropped last night from home is still shown with who, even though the pts has no processes running |
| 19:52.54 | karsten | woodgrain: There's little to be grained by that. |
| 19:53.01 | karsten | disasm: ^^ |
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| 19:53.09 | abrotman | disasm: no . it's still running |
| 19:53.14 | abrotman | disasm: you can kill it if you want |
| 19:53.14 | karsten | disasm: who / w read from wtmp. Is /var full? |
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| 19:53.33 | porkpie1 | petemc:do I just need to edit the kernel-image.conf ?? |
| 19:53.34 | j2^ | GOod evening! |
| 19:54.10 | jelly | disasm: it is a bug, but it's common one. Sometimes there are sessions left in utmp. |
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| 19:54.19 | j2^ | I am trying to use mod_auth_mysql for APache2, and even tho it is linked from mods-enabled, i get "Invalid command 'AuthMySQLHost', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration" any hints? (yes, i restarted APache2) |
| 19:54.22 | stew | porkpie1: what are you trying to do? |
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| 19:54.36 | disasm | abrotman: who shows my user logged in on pts/14 and ps aux|grep pts/14|grep -v grep returns no results |
| 19:54.40 | jelly | disasm: older versions of openssh used to do it. |
| 19:55.07 | disasm | karsten: 3.1G available |
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| 19:55.50 | karsten | disasm: OK. As I've told you, three times now, you need to find out what's in utmp/wtmp (no, I don't know how to read them, yes, they're binary format), and why logouts aren't being properly recorded. |
| 19:55.59 | karsten | disasm: That's your bug. |
| 19:56.15 | disasm | karsten: ok, thankyou |
| 19:56.53 | Digital_Pioneer | I give up. I'm just going to reinstall Debian... For the second time today, and fourth time since I got it. |
| 19:57.22 | stew | Digital_Pioneer: why? what is the problem? |
| 19:58.02 | Digital_Pioneer | stew: Can't get a GUI. |
| 19:58.22 | Malagmyr | i sincerely doubt reinstalling will aid that |
| 19:58.28 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Have you tried any WMs *other* than KDE? |
| 19:58.31 | stew | Digital_Pioneer: what is the last error you see when you type "startx"? no screens found? no core pointer? |
| 19:58.33 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: ... and what Malagmyr said. |
| 19:58.38 | disasm | karsten: is it possible it doesn't record a logout if a session dies without exiting aka, blip in network connection? |
| 19:58.40 | karsten | stew: /lastlog |
| 19:58.41 | stew | Digital_Pioneer: or what exactly is the symptom? |
| 19:58.51 | wols | Digital_Pioneer: look in /var/log for your X log file. the output is in there |
| 19:58.53 | karsten | stew: Looks as if KDE's starting up but borking in there somewhere. |
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| 19:59.13 | Digital_Pioneer | It's worked before... |
| 19:59.27 | stew | Digital_Pioneer: which driver are you using? |
| 19:59.28 | Digital_Pioneer | But then I got goofy and upgraded beyond stable. |
| 19:59.36 | Digital_Pioneer | stew: Uhhhhhh, vesa? |
| 19:59.44 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: So you're left with a blank GUI screen after the initial KDE splash / status notifier? |
| 19:59.54 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: vesa should be a safe bet. |
| 20:00.06 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: as they say, for everything else, there's vesa. |
| 20:00.11 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, Ehh, not really. It's a background image. |
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| 20:00.27 | stew | Digital_Pioneer: so x starts, but no window manager? |
| 20:00.27 | Charminthemoose | how do i set up hardware acceleration? |
| 20:00.31 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, Hmm, thought it was Mastercard... Oh well. ;) |
| 20:00.34 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Do any mouse clicks have any effect. And *what* background image? A graphic, or b&w herringbone. |
| 20:00.45 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: What? You believe advertising? |
| 20:00.50 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, Graphic. |
| 20:01.00 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, Nah. Just some of it. |
| 20:01.10 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: OK. The KDE processes aren't firing off. |
| 20:01.17 | Digital_Pioneer | stew: Ummm, IDK |
| 20:01.22 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: <ctrl><alt><F1> will take you to a console. |
| 20:01.31 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten: It fails on "Initializing System Services" |
| 20:01.35 | Digital_Pioneer | I know that. |
| 20:01.37 | Digital_Pioneer | I have been. |
| 20:01.44 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Log in there. Type: "export DISPLAY=:0; startkde 2>&1 | tee startkde.log" |
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| 20:02.05 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: ... which should fire up the KDE stuff, again, and bitch a lot. Output will be logged to startkde.log |
| 20:02.20 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten: Sounds like another logfile it'll output, which I'm too stupid to know how to get to you. |
| 20:02.24 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: paste that online (/msg dpkg paster). Use elinks2 or w3m if you can't get a graphical browser. |
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| 20:02.48 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Both those are text-mode / console browsers which will allow filling in a web form. Can you use vi/vim? |
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| 20:03.02 | wols | Charminthemoose: depends on your videocard |
| 20:03.08 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, what are they? |
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| 20:03.26 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, I've been using Lynx and trying to upload files to my website, but it can't click buttons... |
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| 20:03.28 | Charminthemoose | wols:lspci: Intel Corp. 82810E DC-133 GMCH [Graphics Memory Controller Hub] (rev 03) |
| 20:03.28 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: That's a no ;-) Standard text editors, console. |
| 20:03.37 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Fuck lynx. It's a PITA. |
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| 20:03.49 | Charminthemoose | wols: sorry wrong one:VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82810E DC-133 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 03) |
| 20:03.51 | wols | Charminthemoose: i810 driver. there is not more acceleration for you basically |
| 20:04.09 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, there is another alternative... |
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| 20:04.16 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: w3m defaults to using vi to fill in forms, IIRC elinks does an easier or internal editor. |
| 20:04.27 | CRK-FOX | stew: what really do sarge-custom-0801.ISO??? |
| 20:04.36 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: nano or joe would likely be easier for you. |
| 20:04.47 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: both being simple editors. |
| 20:04.51 | Digital_Pioneer | If I wait about 15 minutes AFTER the splash screen disappears, I get into a desktop environment. K menu, taskbars, the whole nine yards. |
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| 20:05.02 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: OK, something's blocking. |
| 20:05.04 | ttl- | greetings everyone |
| 20:05.08 | Bhavesh | ttl |
| 20:05.10 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, I use nano constantly. |
| 20:05.12 | Quintin | I am getting some errors when I format this hard disk... how do I work around this so I can use the disk drive ? |
| 20:05.22 | karsten | !tell Quintin about smart questions. |
| 20:05.26 | karsten | Quintin: What errors? |
| 20:05.28 | k31th | anyone use DTC ? |
| 20:05.40 | Quintin | something about a bad superblock |
| 20:06.05 | karsten | Quintin: Then you need to do something about fixing it. |
| 20:06.22 | Quintin | karsten: no shit. gee, thanks. do I owe you anything? |
| 20:06.23 | karsten | k31th: DTC? |
| 20:06.29 | karsten | Quintin: Something special. |
| 20:06.48 | Quintin | karsten: what do I do to fix this? in win if I format it it will work around those bad sectors |
| 20:07.12 | karsten | Quintin: formatting (mkfs) shouldn't bitch about superblocks, because it's creating them. Partitioning doesn't even go there. Again, ask smart questions. |
| 20:07.28 | Quintin | karsten: this is with mke2fs -j |
| 20:07.31 | stew | CRK-FOX: that is a stable installer that uses a testing kernel that was backported to stable, which is what you want. that kernel will recognize your hardware (i've used it for a 1950 recently) and you'll end up running debian stable except with a newer kernel |
| 20:07.36 | karsten | Quintin: Um. Do you have bad blocks on that disk? |
| 20:07.42 | karsten | Quintin: Full command, please. |
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| 20:07.50 | karsten | Quintin: mke2fs requires a partition. |
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| 20:08.07 | Quintin | karsten: look you can stop stating the obvious--it's useless and wastes time |
| 20:08.16 | Bhavesh | so basically New disk/newly formated disk -> Fdisk to partition -> mkfs on each partition(s) |
| 20:08.18 | Quintin | karsten: mke2fs -j /dev/hdd3 |
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| 20:08.35 | Quintin | karsten: Warning: could not read block 0: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read |
| 20:08.35 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Anyhow, if you *do* get a desktop in 15 minutes, one of the KDE services is blocking and is timing out before continuing. You need to find out what that is. |
| 20:08.40 | karsten | !tell Quintin about esp |
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| 20:08.48 | petemc | Quintin: try mks2fs -c |
| 20:08.49 | Quintin | karsten: Warning: could not erase sector 0: Attempt to write block from filesystem resulted in short write |
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| 20:08.58 | ttl- | I'm using etch and after upgrading pan all my subscribed newsgroups, servers, config of pan are gone, I've noticed that a new directory is created in my home ~/.pan2 and my old config resides still in ~/.pan |
| 20:09.06 | Defty | i need to have a 2.6.18 kernel to install debian.. what could I use to do this? |
| 20:09.08 | karsten | Quintin: run 'dmesg' and look for any similar messages, "drive seek complete" or "crc" errors. |
| 20:09.13 | karsten | Quintin: Sounds like bad HW. |
| 20:09.18 | ttl- | Is there a way to import the old config ? |
| 20:09.19 | Quintin | karsten: Writing inode talbes odne.. journal... done... "writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: Warning, had trouble writing out superblocks.done" |
| 20:09.21 | jzxu | wols: if you're still there, thanks for tipping me off about the patch |
| 20:09.22 | Defty | is there a 2.6.18 netinst or something |
| 20:09.28 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, How would you recommend I do that? I tried that command you gave me and it gave me an empty logfile like they all have been. |
| 20:09.29 | Quintin | karsten: :*( |
| 20:09.46 | karsten | Quintin: You may be able to verify by running smartmontools. Probably from Knoppix. |
| 20:10.09 | karsten | Quintin: Trust me: you do *NOT* want to work around a failing disk to make it work. RMA it if under warranty, nuke it if not. |
| 20:10.17 | Bhavesh | Quintin: if at all possible try running utility from the hdd manufacturer to see if it can save the disk |
| 20:10.19 | Quintin | karsten: hum... wonder if I can install that in my livecd here... hmm |
| 20:10.23 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Somewhat nontrivial. |
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| 20:10.36 | en1gma | sup all |
| 20:10.46 | k31th | karsten gplhost.org |
| 20:10.47 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, I did finally get a logfile of startx though. |
| 20:10.51 | ttl- | hi en1gma |
| 20:10.51 | karsten | Anyone know a good way to monitor the KDE startup process to identify a hanging program? |
| 20:10.59 | karsten | k31th: Yes? |
| 20:11.06 | en1gma | i have an amd64 x2 proc im not sure which release is the latest.....or which one to get....i dont want the stable |
| 20:11.08 | Quintin | dmesg sez some IO errors, dev hdd "DriveReady SeekComplete Error UncorrectableError etc |
| 20:11.13 | asg | karsten: strace might work |
| 20:11.16 | karsten | Quintin: Junk HW. |
| 20:11.16 | wols | Defty: why 2.6.18 especially? |
| 20:11.20 | k31th | karsten: DTC is at gplhost.org |
| 20:11.22 | karsten | asg: Or sar, no? |
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| 20:11.24 | Quintin | Is this possibly the IDE controller? |
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| 20:11.38 | Defty | wols: well, at least that. IDE support |
| 20:11.39 | wols | Quintin: not it's read errors on disk |
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| 20:11.46 | asg | karsten: no, sar will just give you a 5 minute synopsis of system load. |
| 20:11.47 | en1gma | is there an amd64 debian |
| 20:11.53 | wols | Defty: at least? that kernel came out last week |
| 20:11.54 | asg | karsten: and other metrics |
| 20:11.54 | karsten | Quintin: If you have multiple drives failing on the same controller, yes. But I've seen zero controller failures for 100+ drives. |
| 20:11.55 | Bhavesh | Quintin: i have seen that type of error on two occasions, one the hard drive is going bad, and when i had a bad/good hdd on same IDE channel |
| 20:11.57 | Quintin | wols: I can see that. but could that be caused by the IDE controller on the motherboard? |
| 20:12.01 | Defty | wols: i have a new mobo |
| 20:12.02 | cyd0rk | en1gma, yes |
| 20:12.11 | Defty | wols: the controller isn't supported until .18 |
| 20:12.13 | Quintin | very helpful info, thanks guys |
| 20:12.15 | wols | Defty: what chipset? |
| 20:12.15 | karsten | asg: What's the system accounting tool that records everything run? |
| 20:12.17 | en1gma | is it ia64? |
| 20:12.21 | asg | karsten: acct |
| 20:12.21 | en1gma | or amd64 |
| 20:12.29 | cyd0rk | !amd64 |
| 20:12.29 | dpkg | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 20:12.40 | Quintin | I will try it on another channel if this doesn't work then maybe check out smartmontools |
| 20:12.43 | en1gma | oh three is its own channel too |
| 20:12.45 | en1gma | oki man thnx |
| 20:12.49 | asg | karsten: and the lastcomm program therein |
| 20:12.55 | Defty | wols: jmicron or something. it used to work earlier I think, but around .16 when they added AHCI support (some SATA thing), it n olonger works (until .18) |
| 20:13.16 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Here's another tack. |
| 20:13.19 | wols | Defty: then simply use a debian 2.6.8 kernel or some other lower than .16 |
| 20:13.44 | Quintin | petemc: trying mke2fs -c -j /dev/hdd3 now...... |
| 20:13.46 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: kill your current X session, start a new one, bare, then do the 'startkde' thing, as I just outlined for you, from a console, logging traffic. |
| 20:14.11 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: '/etc/init.d/kdm stop' will kill X. <ctrl><alt><backspace> w/in X if it didn't. |
| 20:14.21 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Then just plain: "X" from a console. |
| 20:14.21 | Quintin | Is ther ea way in linux to get the mouse going for copy / paste in text mode like with FreeBSD? |
| 20:14.24 | petemc | Quintin: if you've got those errors in dmesg, that disk is likely on the way out |
| 20:14.29 | karsten | Quintin: gpm |
| 20:14.35 | wols | Quintin: gpm |
| 20:14.37 | Quintin | petemc: *sobs* |
| 20:14.38 | petemc | Quintin: if you're lucky, it could be a bad cable |
| 20:14.52 | Quintin | hw problems sux |
| 20:14.54 | karsten | Quintin: Trust me. You've got a crap disk. |
| 20:15.08 | Defty | wols: i don't know.. neither my debian sarge cd or knoppix work .. |
| 20:15.08 | Quintin | Luckilly this is a Compaq part. My connection should be able to get me a freeeeeeeeeeeee replacement |
| 20:15.12 | karsten | Quintin: HW problems rock. You swap HW and they're gone. Just have to find the right part. |
| 20:15.28 | Defty | wols: but it oculd possibly be fixed with some kernel params, and bios settings |
| 20:15.32 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, You may not realize, but it has always been impossible for me to get a GUI back after leaving one. I've always had to reboot first. |
| 20:15.33 | karsten | Quintin: RMA it. Check cabling, etc. Smartmontools is a good positive test but may fail to complete on bad HW. |
| 20:15.40 | Quintin | karsten: hmm yea one way of looking at it. certainly can be better than having to debug 10,000 lines of code |
| 20:15.41 | Defty | wols: thanks for your concern. |
| 20:15.55 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: OK, that happens with some cards. We'll address that later. |
| 20:16.01 | Quintin | karsten: how % sure are you it is the HDD? |
| 20:16.13 | Defty | .18 would be nice however because then I wouldn't have to fiddle with the BIOS, kernel params etc. |
| 20:16.15 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Can you at least see console when you've started X? |
| 20:16.16 | Quintin | I will reboot and stick it on another channel then give it to my guy to get it replaced I think |
| 20:16.17 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, Heheheh, card? I wish. Try Intel Graphics Controller. |
| 20:16.17 | karsten | Quintin: 95% |
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| 20:16.25 | Quintin | karsten: <3 |
| 20:16.28 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: lspci | grep VGA |
| 20:16.31 | wols | Quintin: there i s no debian installer with that yet |
| 20:16.59 | wols | Defty: I meant |
| 20:17.01 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, I can return to console with Ctrl-Alt-F* |
| 20:17.01 | karsten | Quintin: ... with a 4% reserve bonus. I'll wot you reseat the cable or if it's an old one, swap it. |
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| 20:17.42 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, That talks about my chipset. |
| 20:17.54 | Defty | wols: anything capable of debootsrapping would probably do, actually :) i don't mind if it's a live cd or something. however knoppix is only .17.. |
| 20:17.59 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Right, I want the output. |
| 20:18.06 | Quintin | karsten: mmmm the CD drive wouldn't boot before 'cause the end plugged into mainboard was loose... hmm. I will stick the HDD in question into my known good iPAQ computer and try formatting. should answer questions |
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| 20:18.18 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, of lspci? |
| 20:18.22 | disasm | karsten: to make things weirder, w shows the users properly, just who doesnt |
| 20:18.24 | karsten | disasm: Right. |
| 20:18.36 | karsten | disasm: strace 'em and see what they're reading from /var. |
| 20:18.38 | porkpie1 | petemc:which part of the doc you sent me do i need to use to edit the initrd |
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| 20:19.21 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Yes. |
| 20:19.21 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, I'm trying to use elinks too, but I can't figure out how to hit buttons in it either. |
| 20:19.33 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: tab to them. |
| 20:19.35 | wols | Defty: older knoppix version then? |
| 20:19.42 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: ... or install gpm and you can use mouse in console |
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| 20:20.01 | petemc | porkpie1: the stuff about making the initrd |
| 20:20.27 | porkpie1 | petemc:ADD THE FOLLOWING......... |
| 20:20.28 | porkpie1 | in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 20:20.29 | porkpie1 | ramdisk = /usr/sbin/mkinitrd.yaird |
| 20:20.36 | petemc | yes |
| 20:21.04 | porkpie1 | petemc:ok but I don't have yaird installed... |
| 20:21.14 | petemc | .. |
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| 20:21.47 | Toast | Hi. I've recently installed Debian. I set up one of my partitions as a raid 1 array, but I can't seem to find /etc/raidtab and none of the usual raid commands seem to work. It raid done differently under Debian? |
| 20:21.47 | orestyle3 | what is a good groupware product that is stable and reliable? Runs easily on Debian... |
| 20:21.49 | k31th | is there any way i can install this deb file i just made with apt?? so it get any other packages it depends on ? |
| 20:21.56 | Defty | wols: i'm going to try that.. |
| 20:22.02 | CRK-FOX | stew: what is a backport?? can you explain me?? |
| 20:22.07 | karsten | !backports |
| 20:22.08 | dpkg | backports is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 20:22.11 | stew | CRK-FOX: ^^ |
| 20:22.15 | pickcoder | orestyle3: define "group ware" |
| 20:22.17 | asg | k31th: put it in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 20:22.19 | CRK-FOX | :P |
| 20:22.21 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, buttons just don't do anything.... |
| 20:22.21 | wols | k31th: copy it into |
| 20:22.25 | wols | asg: damn you :P |
| 20:22.26 | porkpie1 | petemc:???? |
| 20:22.29 | CRK-FOX | !backports |
| 20:22.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 20:22.31 | asg | k31th: or dpkg -i it and then run apt-get -f install |
| 20:22.31 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, Would you care to recommend a site I can upload files to? |
| 20:22.33 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Um. <enter> when they're highlighted? |
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| 20:22.41 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: /msg dpkg paster |
| 20:22.44 | asg | wols: :) |
| 20:22.52 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, It just doesn't do anything. |
| 20:22.56 | orestyle3 | pickcoder: Zimbra, Horde, phpGroupWare, OpenGroupware |
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| 20:23.03 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, These things _do_ support javascript, right? |
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| 20:23.08 | evangelion | hello |
| 20:23.10 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, Not to mention popup prompts. |
| 20:23.13 | petemc | porkpie1: is it not available for sarge? |
| 20:23.21 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: http://channels.debian.org/paste doesn't use javascript |
| 20:23.29 | orestyle3 | pickcoder: something with wiki, calendar, etc.. |
| 20:23.29 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Most console clients don't, no. |
| 20:23.43 | wols | !paster |
| 20:23.43 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:23.45 | porkpie1 | petemc:I tried to install it ...but it failed ...so probably not |
| 20:23.45 | CRK-FOX | how I can get the correct backport for me? |
| 20:23.47 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, That's it. |
| 20:23.47 | karsten | pickcoder: GIYF. groupware |
| 20:23.51 | orestyle3 | pickcoder: but stable and reliable (tried zimbra, seems like a hasle) |
| 20:23.56 | Bhavesh | wish me good luck i am installing mysql 5.0 |
| 20:23.58 | Bhavesh | to learn |
| 20:24.03 | evangelion | can i change the default path of sasldb2 on sarge? |
| 20:24.09 | esteel | after an update from etch (testing) to unstable i can no longer hibernate as normal user.. what do i need to change? permissions? or some config thing? |
| 20:24.21 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:24.21 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 20:24.31 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, It says host not found. |
| 20:24.37 | Ribasushi | greetings |
| 20:24.57 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Do you have networking configured on that box? |
| 20:25.14 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: 'ifconfig eth0; route -n; cat /etc/resolv.conf' |
| 20:25.18 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, Yep. Just pinged google to be sure. It works. |
| 20:25.24 | *** join/#debian h3sp4wn (n=samw@unaffiliated/h3sp4wn) |
| 20:25.27 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Then enter the hostname correctly. |
| 20:25.28 | jelly | Digital_Pioneer: s/channels.debian.org/channels.debian.net/ |
| 20:25.29 | petemc | porkpie1: oh, well - you could try using mkinitrd or whatever is available in sarge - its not guaranteed to work tho |
| 20:25.36 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 20:25.38 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, I don't use eth0, I use wlan0. :) |
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| 20:25.50 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: OK. And it's .net, not .org, my bad. |
| 20:26.06 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, Ahhhh, that would do it. :) |
| 20:26.11 | karsten | Right. |
| 20:26.23 | petemc | porkpie1: or use a backport of yaird |
| 20:26.27 | porkpie1 | petemc:looks like there is a backports |
| 20:26.33 | porkpie1 | dito |
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| 20:26.59 | porkpie1 | petemc:how do I install a backport .. |
| 20:27.11 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.50 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, And you want the output of lspci | grep VGA? |
| 20:28.05 | porkpie1 | petemc:? |
| 20:28.12 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Yes. |
| 20:28.37 | petemc | porkpie1: /msg the bot with the command i just said |
| 20:29.07 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, For all the good these pasters are doing, I might as well type it to you myself. How do I get this info into my clipboard in a console???? |
| 20:29.19 | Bhavesh | !tell porkpie1 about backport |
| 20:29.30 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: gpm |
| 20:29.35 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, The output is in a file. How do I get it out of the file and into a textbox? |
| 20:29.36 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: ... or screen. |
| 20:29.40 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, I have gpm. |
| 20:29.49 | porkpie1 | Bhavesh:thanks |
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| 20:29.57 | Bhavesh | porkpie1: you are welcome |
| 20:30.02 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: cat file. highlight text (l mouse button). Paste with middle. |
| 20:30.32 | asg | or SHIFT+INSERT if you don't have a middle mouse button or are a little jittery |
| 20:31.07 | Toast | could anyone help me with RAID on Etch? |
| 20:31.24 | karsten | asg: So you think I'm jittery? DTs? Accusing me of hitting the sauce? Eh? |
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| 20:31.37 | porkpie1 | Bhavesh:how do I ask a question myself |
| 20:31.38 | asg | karsten: I was talking about myself, of course ;) |
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| 20:31.48 | karsten | asg: At your service. |
| 20:31.54 | asg | haha |
| 20:31.59 | Bhavesh | porkpie1: /msg dpkg question i.e. /msg dpkg nvidia-oneliner |
| 20:32.07 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, works just fine, except I've got elinks on tty2 and cat on tty1. |
| 20:32.12 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 20:32.13 | dpkg | from memory, qotd71 is <kbrooks> i believe /var gets rm -rf'd at every boot |
| 20:32.23 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: which is where gpm comes in. Works across consoles. |
| 20:32.38 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: ... screen lets you multiplex sessions on a single console. Great program, learn to love it. |
| 20:32.52 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, and it is losing the selection whenever I switch to tty2. |
| 20:32.59 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Hrm. That sucks. |
| 20:33.24 | Ribasushi | how exactly does xmd know which window manager to start in debian? |
| 20:33.25 | agiliz | alsamixer works fine, but no sound, what could be the problem ? |
| 20:33.28 | Bhavesh | karsten: same as me :) |
| 20:33.29 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: elinks _should_ allow you to read a file in when filling in a form. I don't use it (prefer w3m). Channel, help? |
| 20:33.32 | Ribasushi | I can not figure out how the chain works |
| 20:33.40 | Ribasushi | *XDM |
| 20:33.46 | Guerin | karsten: omg, ur so 1337 |
| 20:33.54 | karsten | Guerin: r u a girl? |
| 20:34.10 | Bhavesh | karsten: i had same problem.. i found another way, logged into the machine from a windows pc and things were easier |
| 20:34.26 | karsten | Ribasushi: /etc/X11/default-display-manager. |
| 20:34.28 | Guerin | karsten: I'm a 43 year-old fatty who lives in his parents' basement, and so are you! |
| 20:34.33 | karsten | Ribasushi: ... as well as a few other hacks. |
| 20:34.47 | Ribasushi | karsten: I was asking about the window manager |
| 20:34.47 | asg | Guerin: you're not that old |
| 20:34.50 | Ribasushi | not the display one |
| 20:34.52 | karsten | Guerin: Damnit, how'm I going to win phated's heart now? |
| 20:35.01 | karsten | Ribasushi: Point. |
| 20:35.08 | Guerin | asg: hah, I fooled you! |
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| 20:35.38 | karsten | Ribasushi: I think it's /etc/alternatives for default. x-window-manager |
| 20:35.46 | Guerin | karsten: it's ok. She's one too. The internet is full of us! |
| 20:36.16 | khermans | how do i run something at bootup before i get to runlevel? |
| 20:36.16 | karsten | Guerin: Yes, but the 43 y.o. fatties are persuing the _myth_ that is me. |
| 20:36.30 | karsten | khermans: /etc/inittab or /etc/inet.d/ |
| 20:36.53 | Guerin | karsten: yes. |
| 20:37.10 | Guerin | karsten: third-person theory explains this phenomenon quite well |
| 20:37.25 | karsten | khermans: less /etc/init.d/README |
| 20:37.54 | karsten | Guerin: Guess I've got to find me a congresscritter. |
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| 20:38.10 | Guerin | karsten: if you pretend hard enough, one might find you. |
| 20:38.27 | karsten | Bulgarian airbags: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/03/bulgarian_airbags/ |
| 20:38.56 | Ribasushi | karsten: you nailed it, and it is called by /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50x11-common_determine-startup |
| 20:39.07 | Ribasushi | thanks |
| 20:39.29 | karsten | Ribasushi: Right, there's a bunch of stuff buried under there, keeps changing. |
| 20:40.16 | Ribasushi | I am fighting to make my amd64 more usable, instead of chrooting firefox and losing all bindings to other programs I am trying to chroot my entire xsession, thus running only the kernel and X server in 64, and all my software under 32 |
| 20:40.32 | FernandoMM | How can i stop a service from being start on boot without doing chmod -x /etc/init.d/service ? |
| 20:40.33 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, OK, I'm using w3m, and sucessfully pasting into... Something. |
| 20:40.38 | FernandoMM | started* |
| 20:40.43 | Digital_Pioneer | Digital_Pioneer, What do I do to put that into w3m? |
| 20:40.59 | karsten | Ribasushi: Note that the advantage to chrooting your browser is that any malware that might make it through is restricted to your chroot. Your own user data may be more valuable than the OS itself. |
| 20:41.03 | Digital_Pioneer | Oops. |
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| 20:41.23 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Good. Note that 'o' gets you to options where you can set the default editor to something you like, say, nano. |
| 20:41.26 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, Well, you get the point... :] |
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| 20:41.36 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: vim search keys in w3m, '/<string>' to find string. |
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| 20:41.42 | FoRMaTC | goodevening |
| 20:41.44 | WorldBFree | when trying to log onto this server i got the message... no nicknames from Default identity were accepted by the connection freenode. please enter a new one or press cancel |
| 20:41.45 | WorldBFree | what does that mean, that the original name i tried was improper? |
| 20:41.47 | porkpie1 | petemc:OK how do I just install 1 backport ....I don't what to update all the backports |
| 20:42.01 | petemc | porkpie1: you'll want to use a backported kernel as well.. |
| 20:42.04 | FoRMaTC | i'm using testing/unstable debian and i want to run ntpd in debuging mode. It comes back with an error ntpd not compiled with -DDEBUG option - no DEBUG support |
| 20:42.12 | karsten | WorldBFree: Probably "matt" and all its variants are taken. |
| 20:42.34 | WorldBFree | karsten, my orginal name was poopybutt |
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| 20:42.58 | karsten | WorldBFree: '/whois poopybutt'. I think I've seen that used, believe it or not. |
| 20:42.58 | Ribasushi | karsten: you mean there are laid off programmers that write malware for linux-firefox? |
| 20:43.06 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, OK, how do I get out of these options and back to the browser? *sigh* |
| 20:43.08 | WorldBFree | karsten: yeah by me |
| 20:43.22 | karsten | WorldBFree: You're logged in twice? |
| 20:43.27 | karsten | WorldBFree: ... that would do it. |
| 20:43.36 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Save and quit your editor. |
| 20:43.46 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: If vi: <esc>:wq<enter> |
| 20:43.50 | WorldBFree | dont believe so, but ill wait a few more minutes |
| 20:43.53 | khermans | karsten, Ribasushi, milw0rm.com |
| 20:44.05 | karsten | WorldBFree: /msg nickserv recover poopybutt |
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| 20:44.19 | karsten | WorldBFree: ... then release. you'll have to provide a password, only works on registered nicks. |
| 20:44.25 | *** part/#debian argonel (i=beezle@konversation/developer/argonel) |
| 20:44.26 | porkpie1 | petemc:I am running 2.6.16-2em64t-p4 |
| 20:44.28 | WorldBFree | how do i register a nick? |
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| 20:44.38 | karsten | Ribasushi: There are some. And cross-platform hacks as well. Overall Mozilla's pretty clean. |
| 20:44.42 | karsten | WorldBFree: /msg nickserv help |
| 20:44.53 | WorldBFree | karsten: k thanks |
| 20:45.03 | FoRMaTC | i'm using testing/unstable debian and i want to run ntpd in debuging mode. It comes back with an error ntpd not compiled with -DDEBUG option - no DEBUG support |
| 20:45.09 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: How goes? |
| 20:45.24 | abrotman | FoRMaTC: apt-cache search ntp dbg |
| 20:45.26 | bbelt16ag | hey everyone got a quick question |
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| 20:45.40 | Guerin | FoRMaTC: most programs aren't. You can quite trivially rebuild it thus. |
| 20:45.40 | bbelt16ag | how do i find out my processor speed and amount of ram from the console? |
| 20:45.54 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: cat /proc/cpuinfo cat /proc/meminfo |
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| 20:46.03 | valdyn | bbelt16ag: cat /proc/cpuinfo / dmidecode / free |
| 20:46.09 | bbelt16ag | ty |
| 20:46.10 | karsten | bbelt16ag: 'free; cat /proc/cpuinfo' |
| 20:46.17 | abrotman | meminfo! |
| 20:46.19 | _joey | off-topic question: what is the popular blog application written php? |
| 20:46.27 | abrotman | ask #php |
| 20:46.28 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, Good, good. Finally got it. Now, which channel should I paste to? #flood? |
| 20:46.29 | karsten | _joey: phpnuke? |
| 20:46.33 | FoRMaTC | no abrotman doesnt work |
| 20:46.35 | _joey | :) |
| 20:46.36 | abrotman | porkpie1: do it! |
| 20:46.37 | Guerin | FoRMaTC: /msg dpkg simple sid backport - follow that process, but after downloading and untarring source, edit debian/rules and change the configuse flags |
| 20:46.39 | abrotman | FoRMaTC: eh .. ok |
| 20:46.53 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: You should get a link at the paster site. Paste that link here. |
| 20:47.10 | porkpie1 | I am new to debian .....I use freebsd ...helppppppppppppppppp |
| 20:47.12 | *** part/#debian disorder (n=as@gw.radiolan.sk) |
| 20:47.25 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, It says I can just send the link straight to #debian.... |
| 20:47.28 | FoRMaTC | Guerin i think they changed it lately |
| 20:47.38 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Eg: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3917 |
| 20:47.39 | Guerin | FoRMaTC: this isn't relevant. |
| 20:47.44 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: I'm guessing you're 3916 |
| 20:47.56 | Digital_Pioneer | 3918. |
| 20:48.10 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Beat you to th epunch. |
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| 20:48.33 | abrotman | woohoo .. 845! |
| 20:49.03 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, Pff, lots of work... LOL |
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| 20:49.14 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: i810 driver, I think. Is that what you're using in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 20:49.24 | FoRMaTC | Guerin is there another ntp server package (with logging into syslog) that i can install without those steps |
| 20:49.28 | Digital_Pioneer | Huh? |
| 20:49.36 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Hopefully you'll get better at it. It's not that hard, and console proficiency *does* pay off. |
| 20:49.38 | Digital_Pioneer | I use XFree86. Not XOrg. |
| 20:50.05 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: OK, same question, /etc/X11/XF86Conf-4 |
| 20:50.09 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, I know that. It's come in helpful many times. Believe it or not, I do know (maybe) 5 or 6 commands... ;) |
| 20:50.15 | karsten | er. XF86Config-4 |
| 20:50.35 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: true/false/yes/kill |
| 20:50.39 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Now you know nine ;-) |
| 20:50.43 | Guerin | FoRMaTC: i have absolutely no idea. |
| 20:50.56 | Guerin | FoRMaTC: aptitude search ntp dbg |
| 20:51.09 | Bhavesh | how about 'exit' |
| 20:51.15 | Bhavesh | and log out |
| 20:51.17 | Bhavesh | logout |
| 20:51.35 | FoRMaTC | Bhavesh talking to me ? |
| 20:51.38 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, LOL |
| 20:51.41 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Anyhow, 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and check the value for "driver". You want either 'i810' or 'vesa'. If it's now i810, change it to vesa and you should get around the "can only start X once per boot session' |
| 20:51.44 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, OK, that's no small file... |
| 20:52.04 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, Oh, well, it's already vesa. |
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| 20:52.16 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: 'egrep '(i810|vesa)' /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 20:52.27 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Change to i810 as described above. |
| 20:52.38 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: ... and you'll probably need to reboot. |
| 20:52.44 | Bhavesh | FoRMaTC: no i was mentiong to Digital_Pioneer 2 more commands :) |
| 20:52.50 | FoRMaTC | :-) |
| 20:52.51 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, So I should make it i810 and not vesa? |
| 20:52.53 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: ... because the card itself is confused. Not a Linux issue. |
| 20:53.04 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Yes. i810, not vesa. Just for shins'n'grits. |
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| 20:53.16 | Digital_Pioneer | Bhavesh, What were those? |
| 20:53.23 | Bhavesh | Digital_Pioneer: exit/logoff |
| 20:53.28 | bowman | heya. I'm mounting an ext3 partition using "defaults", yet any normal user is unable to write to the partition - am I missing some option? I've never worked with ext3 before :-) |
| 20:53.41 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, rebooting. |
| 20:53.54 | Digital_Pioneer | Bhavesh, I know exit already. :) |
| 20:53.58 | karsten | bowman: users don't have write permissions to that directory. 'chmod <appropriate prems> <path> |
| 20:54.09 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: OK. |
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| 20:54.13 | Bhavesh | darn |
| 20:54.14 | Guerin | bowman: nothing to do with your fstab options |
| 20:54.17 | Bhavesh | :) |
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| 20:54.25 | Bhavesh | Digital_Pioneer: how about su |
| 20:54.32 | karsten | bowman: Note that you generally *don't* want to give world-write (777) perms w/o good reasons, other than /tmp and /var/tmp |
| 20:54.36 | Digital_Pioneer | Bhavesh, What does logoff do? I always use reboot to shutdown. Never could figure out how shutdown worked... |
| 20:54.44 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: logoff ~= exit |
| 20:54.45 | Digital_Pioneer | Bhavesh, Ahh, always useful. I know it too. |
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| 20:54.55 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, IC. |
| 20:54.58 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Ends a user session, doesn't reboot. |
| 20:55.03 | Bhavesh | Digital_Pioneer: correction s/logoff/logout |
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| 20:55.14 | Bhavesh | same as exit to exit a shell |
| 20:55.15 | mooseman447 | hey |
| 20:55.29 | bowman | ah, got it. thx karsten, Guerin |
| 20:55.30 | Rags | Question? I was connected via SSH and installing Subversion via apt-get when my connection terminated |
| 20:55.30 | Bhavesh | i normally use shutdown -h now to |
| 20:55.31 | mooseman447 | alfalfa? |
| 20:55.46 | karsten | mooseman447: hay! |
| 20:55.57 | Rags | There ware some configuring screen on |
| 20:56.15 | mooseman447 | does anybody know if the debian network install with floppies support the isa kingston kne2000tlc nic? |
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| 20:56.27 | Rags | is there a "linux" command to retreve working process |
| 20:56.32 | karsten | Rags: Could be a lot of stuff. Run 'ssh -v user@remotehost' and you may get more info. Check sshd logs on remotehost if you have access. |
| 20:56.44 | karsten | Rags: restate your question. *What* working process? |
| 20:56.57 | karsten | Rags: echo $$ == current PID. 'ps waux' == list all processes. |
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| 20:56.58 | helo | is it possible to bind a process to a certain cpu core? |
| 20:57.19 | agiliz | alsamixer works fine, but no sound, what could be the problem ? |
| 20:57.26 | petemc | Rags: just try the install again, this and install screen while you're at it |
| 20:57.38 | mateuszk | Hi where I can find old debian packages |
| 20:57.41 | mateuszk | to downgrade ? |
| 20:57.43 | petemc | s/this// |
| 20:57.48 | Braindead | mateuszk: snapshot.debian.net |
| 20:57.48 | Rags | There is some process using dpgk |
| 20:57.49 | mateuszk | archives ? |
| 20:57.53 | mateuszk | thx |
| 20:57.53 | petemc | Rags: kill it |
| 20:57.59 | Rags | ok |
| 20:58.26 | jade | for etch i have /etc/init.d/mysql.server and sym links in /etc/rc3.d and /etc/rc0.d but rebooting failed to start mysql, any ideas why? running /etc/init.d/mysql.server start works |
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| 20:58.42 | karsten | Rags: 'lsof' or 'fuser' will list files open. And there isn't some process using dpkg, there's an existing dpkg process. 'ps wuax | grep [d]pkg' |
| 20:58.45 | Rags | Ahhhh |
| 20:58.57 | karsten | Rags: 'killall dpkg' is another option. |
| 20:58.57 | simo1 | : i'm trying to resize my partitons - i have a dual boot windows and ubuntu. I tried gparted, but this would not move the /dev/hda3 since it is my /. I tried the ubuntu install disk but that didnt recognize my partitions, now gparted doesnt either. fdisk -l returns that my partition table entries are not in disk order. I dont know what to do. |
| 20:59.08 | Rags | There it works again |
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| 20:59.14 | Rags | Thanks alot karsten |
| 20:59.16 | Rags | :D |
| 20:59.20 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, Yay! I can go back and forth between console and GUI now. :D |
| 20:59.21 | sgeigerbot | How do I get to a shell prompt in the debian-installer? |
| 20:59.31 | petemc | sgeigerbot: alt - f2 |
| 20:59.36 | mooseman447 | how could i tell debian to not turn off my monitor for 2.5 hours? |
| 20:59.43 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, Still hangs on system services though. |
| 20:59.45 | sgeigerbot | ahhhh... why isn't that listed in the instructions! |
| 20:59.56 | petemc | sgeigerbot: its in the install guide |
| 21:00.00 | dondelelcaro | mooseman447: use setconsole or xset to turn off dpms. |
| 21:00.09 | mooseman447 | what does dpms mean? |
| 21:00.15 | sgeigerbot | petemc: okay...but apparently not in the online help. |
| 21:00.20 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: roxors. |
| 21:00.28 | sgeigerbot | petemc: alt-f2 isn't working! |
| 21:00.29 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Right. Kill your X session. |
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| 21:00.58 | dondelelcaro | !dpms |
| 21:00.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 21:00.59 | karsten | sgeigerbot: Don't I know you from somewhere? |
| 21:01.10 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, Done. :D |
| 21:01.28 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: OK... In console, just plain 'X' |
| 21:01.43 | tapple | what is the package with the info page for glibc? |
| 21:01.47 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, Also, I got the output of startx into a file. |
| 21:01.49 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Should start X, you'll see a b&w pattern ("the herringbone") and a black 'X' pointer (your mouse). |
| 21:01.52 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: No. |
| 21:01.56 | tapple | info libc gives no results |
| 21:01.58 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: I don't think it matters. |
| 21:02.07 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Nothing else will appear, but that's what you want. |
| 21:02.25 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, Ignore all those warnings and errors. ;) |
| 21:02.34 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Yeah, X isn't your problem, KDE is. |
| 21:02.50 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, I've got an X cursor on herringbone BG. |
| 21:02.54 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: Switch back to console. <ctrl><alt><F1> (or whatever). |
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| 21:03.24 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: ... and <ctrl>-Z to suspend X. 'bg' to background it. |
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| 21:03.39 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: ... which will let it run while you enter other commands. |
| 21:04.08 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, OK. |
| 21:04.12 | sgeigerbot | karsten: I'd be more glad to see you if you knew the answer to my question. |
| 21:04.19 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: OK. 'DISPLAY=:0 xterm &' |
| 21:04.22 | Digital_Pioneer | Cool. :) |
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| 21:04.34 | karsten | sgeigerbot: The answer is the solution. |
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| 21:04.57 | karsten | sgeigerbot: busy ATM. |
| 21:04.59 | Digital_Pioneer | karsten, xterm: command not found. |
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| 21:05.16 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: 'DISPLAY=:0 x-terminal-emulator &' |
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| 21:07.45 | Digital-Pioneer | Sorry 'bout that... |
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| 21:07.57 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 21:08.09 | karsten | Digital_Pioneer: NP |
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| 21:08.21 | karsten | stranger_stone: hello again. |
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| 21:10.03 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, Digital_Pioneer is dead. :( |
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| 21:10.10 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: ?? |
| 21:10.25 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, Yes. |
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| 21:10.34 | stranger_stone | karsten :) |
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| 21:10.49 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: sorry (or condolences). What's happening? |
| 21:10.54 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, Eventually, Digital_Pioneer will dissappear with read error 60: timed out, and I can get my nick back. ;) |
| 21:11.01 | karsten | stranger_stone: you actually _got_ the reference? |
| 21:11.06 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: Got it. |
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| 21:11.29 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, :) My mom messed around and lost my internet coneection. ;) |
| 21:11.34 | abrotman | kick her! |
| 21:11.40 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: Stop messing around with your mom! |
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| 21:12.51 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, So KDE is the problem. Any clue what's wrong with it? |
| 21:12.58 | abrotman | it's inherently broken |
| 21:13.02 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, Would un/re-installing some packages fix it? |
| 21:13.03 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: We're getting there. |
| 21:13.11 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, OK, sorry. |
| 21:13.18 | Braindead | is she a MILF? |
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| 21:13.21 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: 'DISPLAY=:0 x-terminal-emulator &' |
| 21:13.36 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: Trying to get a terminal window running under X. |
| 21:14.22 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, QPixmap complains it can't get a QPixmap when no GUI is used. |
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| 21:14.37 | stranger_stone | karsten reference of what? |
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| 21:15.24 | abrotman | eh .. htf do you grep for "." ? |
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| 21:15.27 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: switch to X. Got a terminal window running? |
| 21:15.31 | abrotman | tuv: are you serious? |
| 21:15.31 | karsten | stranger_stone: http://www.lyricsandsongs.com/song/594511.html |
| 21:15.40 | geekitus | hi all ! |
| 21:15.42 | karsten | tuv: Yes, sadly. |
| 21:15.43 | stew | abrotman: \. |
| 21:15.45 | tuv | abrotman, http://freenode.net/news.shtml |
| 21:16.04 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, Maybe, but if I do, I sure can't see it. |
| 21:16.09 | abrotman | stew: tried it .. shuld mention it's cygwin :) |
| 21:16.12 | karsten | abrotman: Bike accident, hit and run, passed 16 Sept. |
| 21:16.28 | stew | abrotman: if you can't stay on-topic you will be silenced |
| 21:16.37 | stew | abrotman: it should work in cygwin as well |
| 21:16.42 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: I think x-terminal-emulator's tied to Konsole or something. |
| 21:16.44 | karsten | bbiam. |
| 21:16.54 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, NVM. |
| 21:17.04 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, I figured it out. Had to do it from simple, not root. :) |
| 21:17.07 | stew | geekitus: grep \\\. ? |
| 21:17.11 | stew | abrotman:^^^ |
| 21:17.13 | abrotman | stew: yeah yeah :) |
| 21:17.18 | abrotman | maybe ... |
| 21:17.21 | abrotman | i'm geekitus now ? |
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| 21:17.34 | stew | i think i tab completed grep there or something |
| 21:17.35 | abrotman | karsten: i know .. come on .. for real .. don't you read anything ? |
| 21:17.46 | stranger_stone | karsten lol are you one singer? |
| 21:17.47 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 21:18.01 | stew | !kegerator stew |
| 21:18.20 | abrotman | dpkg is kind of like a kegerator .. but less fluid |
| 21:18.27 | geekitus | abrotman,you want my name to simplify ? |
| 21:18.35 | abrotman | geekitus: simplify? |
| 21:18.38 | stew | geekitus: pardon me |
| 21:18.47 | abrotman | i'd like this freaking language to do what it's told! |
| 21:18.50 | stew | abrotman: actually \\. probably would have worked |
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| 21:18.55 | abrotman | stew: \\\. worked .. thanks |
| 21:19.06 | stew | abrotman: the third was useless |
| 21:19.14 | abrotman | stew: a little extra can't hurt :) |
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| 21:19.42 | stranger_stone | karsten i think you think i`m another person :| allmost shure. |
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| 21:20.50 | Digital-Pioneer | ;) |
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| 21:21.45 | abrotman | vinyl LPs! |
| 21:22.32 | stew | Long Playing! |
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| 21:23.36 | vladi_ | hi, i am having a problem where i cannot connect to my ssh server from the outside. No matter what port i change the server to listen to and even if i disable my firewall it just sits there waiting and finally times out. Can somone help please!? |
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| 21:24.57 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: Got a terminal up? |
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| 21:25.07 | dondelelcaro | vladi_: is your firewall doing nat? |
| 21:25.15 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, Yep. |
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| 21:25.16 | Digital-Pioneer | :D |
| 21:25.22 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: One sec. Phone... |
| 21:25.24 | vladi_ | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 21:25.49 | dondelelcaro | vladi_: that generally means that you aren't forwarding to port 22 (or whatever) from your firewall. |
| 21:26.00 | vladi_ | dondelelcaro: i am not doing any destination nating i even disable firewall and same problem |
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| 21:26.45 | dondelelcaro | vladi_: uh... you're almost assuredly doing some type of masquerade unless the servers have publicly addressable ips, and the firewall is routing to them. |
| 21:27.08 | dondelelcaro | vladi_: in which case you have to explicitely forward connections to the firewall on a particular port to the port on the server which is doing sshd. |
| 21:27.19 | dondelelcaro | (and of course, allow the return traffic) |
| 21:28.42 | abrotman | Vladi_: check docs at netfilter.org |
| 21:28.45 | vladi_ | dondelelcaro: server has public ip and telnet works fine with no fw on server |
| 21:29.03 | vladi_ | abrotman : no iptables rules on server |
| 21:29.17 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:29.30 | Quintin | karsten: what should I be looking for in the output from smartctl? |
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| 21:31.08 | karsten | Quintin: Failures. |
| 21:31.20 | karsten | Quintin: man smartctl. run short and long tests. |
| 21:32.07 | Quintin | karsten: hmm not sure what to look for.. i just do smartctl --all > file |
| 21:32.47 | karsten | Quintin: Top of bottom of output should summarize pass/fail status. |
| 21:32.59 | karsten | s/Top of/Top or/ |
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| 21:33.43 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: OK, in X looking at a console? |
| 21:34.13 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: From that, 'start-kde 2>&1 | tee start-kde.log' Should be running as your normal, non-root user. |
| 21:34.53 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: You'll get a bunch of output to the console, it's also being saved to a file. You're should see a pretty standard KDE startup sequence. What you're interested in is the command issued before the long wait. |
| 21:35.02 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: s/console/terminal window/ |
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| 21:35.38 | woodgrain | karsten, will etch drive a notebook HD with ata-6? |
| 21:36.25 | karsten | woodgrain: Should, though that's not my baliwick. Ask channel. |
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| 21:36.41 | woodgrain | !ata-6 |
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| 21:37.09 | eheil | He, anyone of you know if the Ubuntu packages for gnome-orca are compatible with current Ech? |
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| 21:37.27 | karsten | eheil: No. |
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| 21:38.25 | stew | eheil: in general, ubuntu packages are not compatible with debian. "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" but use a ubuntu source instead of a sid source |
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| 21:38.42 | Guerin | gods |
| 21:38.57 | karsten | Guerin: You called? |
| 21:38.58 | Guerin | another gnome thing named after an animal |
| 21:39.17 | Guerin | karsten: if you're so tough and cool, make gnome not be shit |
| 21:39.19 | karsten | Guerin: It's the only way the project can show signs of life. |
| 21:39.19 | bonez41 | what does this error mean > Error: extended ptbl illegal sector offset generated by running gpart /dev/sda |
| 21:39.33 | karsten | Guerin: ln -s $( which kde ) gnome |
| 21:39.41 | Guerin | hah |
| 21:39.59 | eheil | stew: ahh, ok. I thought Ubuntu packages would be compabile, as I thought that Ubuntu was based on largely Unstable sources. |
| 21:40.10 | Guerin | bonez41: it means thhere's a fucked partition table on there |
| 21:40.29 | stew | bonez41: or at least a partition table that gpart doesn't understand |
| 21:40.46 | bonez41 | Guerin, any suggestions about repair? I think one of the partitions is off just a bit..... |
| 21:40.49 | stew | bonez41: does it have possibly have a mac parititon or something like that? |
| 21:40.50 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: ?? |
| 21:40.54 | stew | bonez41: or no partition table? |
| 21:40.59 | bonez41 | stew, nothing MAC on the partition.... |
| 21:41.00 | Guerin | bonez41: you can zero it using dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M count=1 |
| 21:41.03 | vladi_ | dondelelcaro: and also i have tried to change the port on the ssh server and same timeout occurs |
| 21:41.05 | karsten | bonez41: ... or a partition sofa? |
| 21:41.14 | Guerin | bonez41: that WILL destroy the patition tables and all the data |
| 21:41.24 | bonez41 | stew, the PT was hosed..and gpart brought it back this far...it trys to boot but fails...without any warnings... |
| 21:41.31 | dondelelcaro | vladi_: and if you telnet to the port that ssh is running on? |
| 21:41.40 | bonez41 | karsten, more a partition loveseat....! |
| 21:41.45 | karsten | Guerin: If he's already using gpart, he's already got a hosed PT. |
| 21:41.55 | Guerin | yeah |
| 21:42.01 | karsten | bonez41: Point. |
| 21:42.10 | karsten | Guerin: Where's that Korean love-chair thing you found? |
| 21:42.11 | bonez41 | Guerin, well, now, I don't want to DESTROY all the data..I'd like to repair the PT and get it working again |
| 21:42.24 | Guerin | bonez41: good luck with that |
| 21:42.55 | bonez41 | what? no brainy words of wisdom to save my day? er..save my PT? |
| 21:43.13 | karsten | bonez41: Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be ... |
| 21:43.14 | bonez41 | no magic commands.....to revive an ailing partition table? |
| 21:43.28 | bonez41 | karsten, I would by I have to get some work done on this machine |
| 21:43.58 | karsten | bonez41: gpart's your best bet. Otherwise, image the drive (dd if=<whole device> of=<file on another disk>) and work with that. |
| 21:44.06 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, Sorry. |
| 21:44.15 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, What's up? |
| 21:44.47 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: above... |
| 21:45.05 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: OK, in X looking at a terminal window? |
| 21:45.14 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: From that, 'start-kde 2>&1 | tee start-kde.log' Should be running as your normal, non-root user. |
| 21:45.24 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: You'll get a bunch of output to the console, it's also being saved to a file. You're should see a pretty standard KDE startup sequence. What you're interested in is the command issued before the long wait. |
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| 21:46.50 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten: It says that there was a syntax error near unexpected token | |
| 21:46.54 | ut | Why doesn't cp -R <path>/.* . doesn't copy only all files starting with . to the current directory? |
| 21:47.09 | karsten | ut: It does. |
| 21:47.15 | karsten | ut: One of those files is '..' |
| 21:47.29 | karsten | ut: ... and another is '.' |
| 21:47.33 | karsten | ut: You do the math. |
| 21:47.34 | Guerin | cp -a does, doesn't it? |
| 21:47.37 | ut | karsten: Ok, I know. |
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| 21:48.44 | ut | Guerin: it doesn't seem to do that, when I read man cp |
| 21:49.25 | Guerin | ut: i couldn't remember, that's why I asked |
| 21:49.32 | karsten | ut: cp -R $( ls -a -I [A-Za-z0-9]\* ) |
| 21:49.40 | karsten | ut: ... should get close. |
| 21:49.48 | khermans | rather than cloning X number of identical hadrware with the same image, are there any pitfalls associated with booting this image via PXE + NFS mount? |
| 21:49.51 | Guerin | karsten: there must be an easier way |
| 21:50.01 | karsten | khermans: Security. File locks. |
| 21:50.02 | Guerin | i *know* rsync does |
| 21:50.10 | khermans | karsten, security of what? |
| 21:50.13 | karsten | Guerin: Just dotfiles. |
| 21:50.17 | karsten | khermans: NFS/NIS |
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| 21:50.30 | khermans | karsten, then iSCSI, whatever |
| 21:50.37 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, Got the output. :D |
| 21:50.46 | karsten | khermans: I'm not saying they're showstoppers, I'm saying you want to be mindful. |
| 21:51.02 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: OK. Did you catch the point at which KDE stopped progressing? |
| 21:51.09 | ut | karsten: ls -a is incorrect, other than that, thanks for the idea. |
| 21:51.21 | khermans | karsten, i guess the question is how do i take my machine that is setup already, and instea dof imaging it, make a PXE server so that all clients look like i cloned it using dd |
| 21:51.31 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, The last line of output is "KDE Daemon (kded) already running." |
| 21:51.36 | karsten | ut: The '-I [A-Za-z0-9]\*' should prevent any non-dot files from being listed. |
| 21:51.50 | ut | karsten: ls does that by default |
| 21:51.53 | karsten | ut: I'm assuming you want to archive all dotfiles and directories in the current directory, no? |
| 21:52.01 | karsten | ut: No. It doesn't. |
| 21:52.03 | ut | karsten: oh, never mind. |
| 21:52.14 | ut | karsten: I am making a mistake. You are right |
| 21:52.17 | vladi_ | dondelelcaro: timeout |
| 21:52.20 | karsten | ut: I know. I'm used to it ;-) |
| 21:52.37 | ut | karsten: Oh, well, I do know something that you don't know. :) |
| 21:53.05 | karsten | khermans: I think you're fine by it. Might want to look into NFS security issues and user identification for mounts. If you're exporting read-only root FS, you should be largely OK. |
| 21:53.18 | karsten | ut: I didn't say I'm *always* right. |
| 21:53.33 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: Interesting. |
| 21:53.38 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: Does it hang at that point? |
| 21:53.40 | ut | karsten: that's true |
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| 21:54.15 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, uuhhhhhhhh, how should I know? :] |
| 21:54.28 | quintin_ | karsten: duh.... the gentoo livecd in another machine formatted the disk with 0 problems..... jf8jfal; ?!?! |
| 21:54.31 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: Well, what you were running is the same thing KDE runs when it starts up. |
| 21:54.43 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: You should have seen the KDE splash screen, etc., in the same window. |
| 21:55.14 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, It wasn't in a window, but that's what I saw. |
| 21:55.25 | quintin_ | anyone here have issues with not being able to do a screen -d "name" then a screen -r "name"? It says it has detached it... but screen -list says attached afterwards, and I can't screen -r to get back at it |
| 21:56.25 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: What is what you saw? |
| 21:56.39 | karsten | quintin_: screen -rd <screenid> |
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| 21:56.55 | karsten | quintin_: '-rx' if you want to share the session. |
| 21:57.10 | Quintin | karsten: oooooooohhhhhh lookie there |
| 21:57.15 | ut | karsten: ls -A -I [A-Za-z0-9]\* is better |
| 21:57.31 | karsten | ut: OK. |
| 21:57.32 | Quintin | karsten: it works!! I think it hanging has something to do with bash wanting to hold on to it when my ssh session dies or something? |
| 21:57.35 | Quintin | karsten: thx |
| 21:57.38 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, I saw the splash, and it went to system services and hung. I left it for the console. |
| 21:57.49 | ut | karsten: it was just FYI. |
| 21:58.02 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: Stay in the X session. Your window (the xterminal) is where you should be running this from. |
| 21:58.14 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: What you're looking for is the output at the point at which stuff hangs. |
| 21:58.22 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: That's why you're running this from w/in X. |
| 21:58.27 | karsten | ut: NP. |
| 21:58.52 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, I know........ But I can't see the output from X.......... |
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| 21:59.01 | Digital-Pioneer | You want me to wait until it continues? |
| 21:59.02 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: Why not? |
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| 21:59.04 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: Yes. |
| 21:59.16 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: Does the terminal window disappear? Does something else cover it? |
| 21:59.28 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, Uh, yeah. KDE does. |
| 21:59.45 | karsten | !nuke kde |
| 22:00.02 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: All of it, a splash screen, what? Would moving that window elsewhere help? |
| 22:00.09 | Digital-Pioneer | !nuke my mom |
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| 22:00.24 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, It isn't in a window.... |
| 22:00.34 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: What is "it"? |
| 22:00.54 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, KDE, I guess... IDK> |
| 22:01.18 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: OK, is this a splash screen, a screen background? |
| 22:01.20 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, I have the terminal on a herringbone BG. |
| 22:01.35 | Guerin | holyfuck |
| 22:01.37 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: Right, oone seck. |
| 22:01.39 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, I do the startkde thing, and it changes to the splash on a blank BG. |
| 22:01.41 | karsten | Guerin: You called? |
| 22:01.44 | Guerin | the norkies are going to test a nuke!!!? |
| 22:01.56 | karsten | Guerin: So they say. |
| 22:02.01 | Digital-Pioneer | !nuke the norkies |
| 22:02.03 | Digital-Pioneer | ;) |
| 22:02.09 | karsten | Guerin: How they'replanning on getting a critical mass of rice I've no idea. |
| 22:02.20 | Guerin | karsten: aid. |
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| 22:02.22 | woodgrain | Digital-Pioneer, now now now, cool down. |
| 22:02.36 | Marco | !openoffice |
| 22:02.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, openoffice.org is an LGPL office productivity suite based upon Sun's StarOffice. See #debian-oo #openoffice.org http://openoffice.debian.net or http://www.openoffice.org, or ask me about <openoffice.org amd64> |
| 22:02.38 | Guerin | Digital-Pioneer: pre-emptive strikes are Not Sporting |
| 22:02.44 | Guerin | haha |
| 22:02.46 | Marco | ughh, my OO is severely broken |
| 22:02.48 | Guerin | productivity suite |
| 22:02.49 | Digital-Pioneer | Oh well. |
| 22:03.01 | woodgrain | Marco, start with a new OO. |
| 22:03.05 | Digital-Pioneer | I don't even know what "norkies" are. |
| 22:03.06 | Digital-Pioneer | ;) |
| 22:03.07 | Marco | woodgrain, known issue? |
| 22:03.07 | nvz | neither is hunting on a full stomach, but in my country so-called sportsmen do it every day |
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| 22:03.23 | karsten | Feh. What's the "start a new KDE session" command called and where is it? |
| 22:03.29 | Marco | startkde |
| 22:03.37 | Marco | if I recall correctly |
| 22:03.40 | karsten | Marco: THanks. |
| 22:03.49 | ut | What's the file firefox uses to keep track of whether it already has an instance running? |
| 22:04.08 | seto | is it possible for aptitude (or apt-get) to download multiple file (on different mirror) at the same time ? |
| 22:04.29 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: Best I can tell you _should_ be able to see that terminal window around the edges of the KDE splash screen. 'startkde' is the command to run. |
| 22:04.41 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: bbl, gotta run. |
| 22:04.50 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, OK. :( |
| 22:04.55 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: ... just tested that out though using Xnest. |
| 22:05.02 | karsten | Digital-Pioneer: ask here as to what that is. |
| 22:05.14 | khermans | if I use PXE boot + remote NFS mount for binaries, then where is the SWAP partition fit in all this? |
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| 22:05.35 | karsten | khermans: IIRC you can do swap-over-nfs. |
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| 22:05.49 | Digital-Pioneer | karsten, Now x-terminal-emulator can't connect to display... Oh, troubles.... |
| 22:05.55 | khermans | karsten, the problem is if we have thousands of nodes booting via PXE |
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| 22:06.42 | khermans | karsten, will PXE + NFS scall to 3000 clients? |
| 22:06.44 | khermans | lol |
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| 22:07.21 | nvz | karsten: as if swap isnt already slow enough :P |
| 22:07.35 | khermans | so can i use the local disks on the PXE clients? |
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| 22:08.06 | khermans | for SWAP and other stuff |
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| 22:10.52 | Digital_Pioneer | !nuke Digital_Pioneer |
| 22:11.13 | luke-Jr_work | What would differentiate two vanilla debian installs? |
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| 22:15.08 | Varange | hi there |
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| 22:16.19 | Varange | I've just installed Sarge... now I can't update webmin because it is out of date. I have the latest APT package. WHat now? |
| 22:17.30 | Quintin | karsten: any specific errors I need to look for from smartctl? what I am seeing online is rather.. generic |
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| 22:34.16 | CRK-FOX | what is the command apt-get to install desktop enviroment in debian sarge??? |
| 22:35.15 | Guerin | CRK-FOX: dselect |
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| 22:45.55 | sebas007 | hi all. |
| 22:46.57 | sebas007 | is it possible to know where a process or a service is writing or reading on the file system ? I'm thinking something like fuser |
| 22:47.20 | tarzeau | sebas007: you can strace a program |
| 22:47.43 | slept | I am trying to do a script with which I can rename files , my problem is that I need to double the output of find so that i can | it to mv after editing it with sed |
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| 22:48.04 | Guerin | slept: xargs? |
| 22:48.08 | h3sp4wn | Can anyone tell me the dpkg trigger for the filesystem comparison ? |
| 22:48.15 | Guerin | slept: you want to ask #bash |
| 22:48.24 | Guerin | h3sp4wn: filesystems |
| 22:48.31 | sebas007 | tarzeau: strace, can I do this on a service already running ? |
| 22:48.37 | h3sp4wn | Guerin: thanks |
| 22:48.39 | slept | Guerin, yes maybe, i tought it might be possible with sed |
| 22:48.43 | tarzeau | sebas007: i don't think so |
| 22:49.14 | pickcoder | sebas007: lsof |
| 22:49.16 | Guerin | slept: well, sed will just edit it. After that you need a command to do something with it - xargs is the glue for that |
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| 22:49.32 | sebas007 | pickcoder: :) |
| 22:50.10 | sebas007 | I had forgoten about that one! perfect, this is want I need! |
| 22:50.22 | slept | Guerin, yes I know, but xargs alone will not be enough since I need to hand over the original filenames with s/\ /\\ / and the new ones with s/\ /_/ |
| 22:50.49 | dondelelcaro | slept: no you don't; use xargs -0 with find -print0. |
| 22:50.55 | Guerin | slept: oh, i see. store one in a vafiable and run your fins|sed command twice |
| 22:51.10 | Guerin | or listen to dondelelcaro |
| 22:51.17 | dondelelcaro | (and then use rename) |
| 22:51.22 | luke-Jr_work | Why is if-up.d never being run? |
| 22:51.37 | slept | dondelelcaro, thanks, i will have a look |
| 22:52.17 | dondelelcaro | slept: you can also do something like this: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/bin/sanitize_filename |
| 22:53.27 | craigevil | anyone know a url for Konversation scripts off hand? |
| 22:53.28 | luke-Jr_work | slept: sed 's,^.*$,\0 \0,' |
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| 22:54.04 | fourat | how to monitor an application to see wich file it's reading/writing, something like file monitoring |
| 22:54.08 | luke-Jr_work | slept: or find ... | while read f; do mv "${f/ /\\ /}" "${f/ /_}"; done |
| 22:54.17 | dondelelcaro | egads. don't use mv. |
| 22:54.19 | luke-Jr_work | (since mv doesn't take stdin lists) |
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| 22:54.29 | dondelelcaro | rename exists for a reason |
| 22:54.34 | IoX | hi, ever since I tried to install jEdit using the apt-get, I havent been able to use the synaptic package manager, because it wasnt able to properly install and i dont know what to do. I get the error of |
| 22:54.45 | IoX | E: The package jedit needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 22:54.48 | luke-Jr_work | dondelelcaro: wtf? there is no rename |
| 22:54.50 | IoX | E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report. |
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| 22:55.06 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/rename |
| 22:55.08 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:55.09 | dpkg | failed. |
| 22:55.10 | derek5437 | hello |
| 22:55.15 | luke-Jr_work | oh wow, there *is* a rename |
| 22:55.17 | dondelelcaro | hrm; that's useful. |
| 22:55.18 | luke-Jr_work | and not useless |
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| 22:55.29 | IoX | is anyone able to help me? |
| 22:55.42 | derek5437 | anyone know what happened to firefox in etch powerpc? |
| 22:56.15 | luke-Jr_work | derek5437: firefox sued debian? |
| 22:56.18 | Guerin | derek5437: stuff falls out of etch from time to time. Use the static builds from mozilla.org |
| 22:56.27 | slept | luke-Jr_work, thanks - now i just have to understand the magic |
| 22:56.39 | derek5437 | do they have it for powerpc on mozilla.org? |
| 22:57.16 | dondelelcaro | derek5437: uh... it's still available for powerpc as far as I can tell. |
| 22:57.24 | gr00ve | anyone have some experience with I/O profiling on 2.6 kernels? |
| 22:57.42 | dondelelcaro | derek5437: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.7-1_powerpc.deb FE. |
| 22:57.51 | derek5437 | doh!your right,I just reinstalled it |
| 22:57.56 | derek5437 | and its there |
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| 22:58.04 | derek5437 | weird |
| 22:59.13 | derek5437 | cool,its finally working again |
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| 22:59.26 | derek5437 | thanks guys |
| 22:59.47 | IoX | is anyone able to help, please? |
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| 23:01.01 | Wyzard | IoX: There doesn't seem to be any package called "jedit" in Debian |
| 23:01.32 | IoX | yes, but the jedit site said to add their link to the sources.list, so I added it and then it didnt work, so I removed it and now I get this error |
| 23:01.49 | epsilon | .oO (jedi?) |
| 23:01.56 | Wyzard | Do you still have their line in your sources.list? |
| 23:02.10 | IoX | Wyzard: no I dont, and I tried putting it back and it didnt seem to work |
| 23:02.17 | Wyzard | Put it back and run "apt-get update" |
| 23:02.18 | IoX | but I will try again just to make sure |
| 23:02.41 | Wyzard | It sounds like the package is in a half-installed state or something, and apt wants to reinstall it so it's installed properly before trying to remove it |
| 23:02.44 | Wyzard | though I'm guessing at that |
| 23:02.44 | craigevil | jEdit is a programmer's text editor written in Java> just use SciTe |
| 23:03.31 | Wyzard | What's crippled about jedit? |
| 23:03.53 | fourat | how to monitor an application to see wich file it's reading/writing, something like file monitoring |
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| 23:04.21 | blackelf | fourat: strace |
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| 23:04.29 | Wyzard | fourat: If you're trying to debug a problem, "strace" lets you see all system calls a program makes, including open(), read(), and write() |
| 23:04.37 | IoX | dondelelcaro: whats wrong with jEdit? |
| 23:04.42 | epsilon | lsof? |
| 23:04.43 | simonrvn | really simple: watch lsof some_thing |
| 23:05.28 | Guerin | IoX: it's not in debian, for one thing |
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| 23:05.38 | dondelelcaro | IoX: besides the fact that it requires java? |
| 23:05.50 | Guerin | oh, gods |
| 23:05.52 | MatBoy | Is there a package that works with a simple Sweex UPS on Debian ? I have found Openupsmart, but it's not compailed for Debian... I can use Alien, but maybe someone had the same problem here ? |
| 23:06.01 | Wyzard | Not being in Debian and being written in Java aren't things that make an editor "crippled" |
| 23:06.20 | Guerin | wperhaps 'crappled' would be a better descriptor |
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| 23:06.34 | Wyzard | simonrvn: Well, Eclipse is pretty nice |
| 23:06.42 | epsilon | cause you have same editor on all platforms? |
| 23:06.50 | Guerin | epsilon: like emacs! |
| 23:06.52 | simonrvn | um, vim? |
| 23:06.56 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: emacs and vim run on almost all platforms. |
| 23:06.57 | Guerin | epsilon: or vi[m] |
| 23:06.57 | simonrvn | emacs? |
| 23:07.02 | simonrvn | vi? |
| 23:07.09 | simonrvn | next! |
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| 23:07.25 | simonrvn | ffs, there's even a vim for mac os 9 ... |
| 23:07.28 | epsilon | s/editor/GUI-editor/ |
| 23:07.37 | Guerin | epsilon: like emacs! |
| 23:07.41 | Guerin | epsilon: or vim! |
| 23:07.43 | dondelelcaro | (and they also run in the console...) |
| 23:07.50 | simonrvn | uh hunh |
| 23:07.54 | Guerin | next ... |
| 23:07.58 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 23:08.05 | Wyzard | wow... #debian regulars are trolling the channel saying that vim and emacs are the only decent editors |
| 23:08.08 | Wyzard | This is a sad day |
| 23:08.09 | dondelelcaro | I mean, you can run whatever you want... I just don't understand it. |
| 23:08.21 | amphi | Wyzard: you know another? |
| 23:08.26 | epsilon | please stop trolling, we both know the difference between vi/(x)emacs and 100% GUI-based editors |
| 23:08.29 | simonrvn | Wyzard: stating what we like isn't trolling |
| 23:08.31 | blackelf | EDITOR WAR |
| 23:08.40 | IoX | lol |
| 23:08.50 | Wyzard | * dondelelcaro still hasn't quite figured out why people use crippled editors... learn vim or emacs. You'll be happier. |
| 23:08.52 | Wyzard | simonrvn: that is |
| 23:08.53 | simonrvn | people make their own choices... it's up to them |
| 23:08.59 | Wyzard | I know |
| 23:09.17 | Wyzard | which is why I don't see why you're bringing up vim and emacs in response to someone's question about jedit |
| 23:09.26 | Guerin | epsilon: it comes down to the right tool for the job, as with so many things. Anything which requires you to install proprietary software on a free software machine isn't supposed to be. |
| 23:09.48 | blackelf | Jesus uses Vim! |
| 23:09.51 | Guerin | epsilon: don't force me to make a car analogy. |
| 23:09.55 | IoX | Wyzard: Yeah, it still wont download |
| 23:10.08 | Wyzard | IoX: Does "apt-cache policy jedit" show a version available? |
| 23:10.30 | simonrvn | Wyzard: me, i couldn't care less what people use. i just don't see why using something that can slow you down would help |
| 23:10.47 | Guerin | Wyzard: the main thing is that things which aren't in debian aren't supportable here ... and when perfectly good alternatives exist IN debian, one wonders why people bother with the hassle of using other stuff. |
| 23:10.50 | epsilon | Guerin: java is evil because you don't like closed source on debian? |
| 23:10.50 | Wyzard | simonrvn: Well, there other factors besides "speed" |
| 23:10.59 | IoX | Wyzard: it says jedit: Installed: 4:04.03.06.00 |
| 23:11.06 | Guerin | epsilon: java is evil for a range of reasons, but for me the license is paramount among them. |
| 23:11.09 | blackelf | is there a multiplayer vim? |
| 23:11.10 | Wyzard | Eclipse is a little slow, but it's very nice to use anyway |
| 23:11.27 | Wyzard | I don't write much Java code but if I did I'd definitely use Eclipse for it |
| 23:11.29 | Wyzard | not vim or emacs |
| 23:11.35 | simonrvn | Wyzard: yes. and i'm not them. and they're not me. and this is my own opinion. that's all. |
| 23:11.36 | beardy | blackelf: Using screen atleast. |
| 23:11.44 | epsilon | *shrugs* I have debian, java installed, java-applications installed I use, all running fine |
| 23:11.59 | Wyzard | IoX: No other versions except the copy that's installed locally? |
| 23:12.13 | IoX | Wyzard: correct |
| 23:12.20 | mishmash | http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=mg |
| 23:12.27 | Wyzard | IoX: and you did "apt-get update" after making sure that source was in your sources.list? |
| 23:12.57 | Wyzard | IoX: Did you see any errors (404 maybe) while doing the update? |
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| 23:15.05 | IoX | Wyzard: yeah, and it gave me an error saying... basically that it couldnt find the sources in /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 23:15.20 | IoX | so that means that the source that i put in the list doesnt exist, and couldnt be used |
| 23:15.33 | IoX | but it still gives me the error that It cant run synaptic |
| 23:15.34 | Wyzard | You get that error when you try to install a package and it hasn't download a package list for the source |
| 23:15.39 | Wyzard | "apt-get update" downloads the package list |
| 23:15.52 | Wyzard | If you did update and it still doesn't have a list, then it tried and failed for some reason |
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| 23:15.54 | epsilon | could you post your sources.list somewhere? |
| 23:16.08 | IoX | Wyzard, epsilon yeah, just a second |
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| 23:16.24 | Wyzard | It could be that the source is down, but since it's an unofficial repository we can't help you with that -- you'll have to contact whoever maintains it |
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| 23:16.38 | IoX | its an sf.net source |
| 23:16.48 | Wyzard | then contact Sourceforge, I guess |
| 23:16.56 | Wyzard | if indeed the problem is the repository being down |
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| 23:19.29 | MatBoy | are there already some final ideas about a new shipped browser instead of FF |
| 23:19.48 | Marco | MatBoy, IceWeasel |
| 23:19.55 | Marco | That's one possible name |
| 23:20.04 | Marco | It's an actual GNU project if I recall correctly |
| 23:20.28 | devicenull | how do I use something that requires I use ./autogen.sh |
| 23:20.33 | tarzeau | Marco: not handling it, is correct |
| 23:20.34 | MatBoy | Wyzard, Konquerror is slow |
| 23:20.41 | Wyzard | devicenull: You're compiling something from source? |
| 23:20.44 | devicenull | yea |
| 23:20.51 | Wyzard | MatBoy: then use Epiphany in KDE too :-P |
| 23:20.54 | Marco | have you done ./configure |
| 23:20.54 | MatBoy | but updates are not applied anymore for FF at the moment if I'm right |
| 23:20.56 | h3sp4wn | devicenull: install automake autoconf aclocal build-essential |
| 23:21.02 | Wyzard | autogen comes before configure |
| 23:21.11 | devicenull | h3sp4wn, did that |
| 23:21.28 | IoX | Wyzard: I am about to post my sources.list |
| 23:21.30 | devicenull | I get an error abotu AM_CFLAGS when I try |
| 23:21.32 | IoX | http://rafb.net/paste/results/kjF3Zz77.html |
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| 23:21.51 | epsilon | devicenull: what's the error / required for compile? |
| 23:22.09 | devicenull | "marco `AM_CFLAGS` not found in library" |
| 23:22.20 | MatBoy | But will there still be poeple who will make their own source for it ? like... uhm... with skype or such thing ? |
| 23:22.25 | MatBoy | I like FireFox |
| 23:22.31 | Wyzard | devicenull: There are several different versions of automake available in Debian |
| 23:22.50 | h3sp4wn | devicenull: try 1.4 and 1.9 (the other one to the one you have) |
| 23:23.10 | devicenull | ok |
| 23:23.36 | Wyzard | IoX: I can update just fine from that source, and "apt-cache policy jedit" shows version 3:4.2.0-1 available from http://dl.sourceforge.net |
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| 23:25.01 | devicenull | 1.9 gets farther |
| 23:25.14 | devicenull | "possibly undefined marco: AC_DISAble_STATIC" |
| 23:25.20 | devicenull | and "AC_PROG_LIBTOOL" |
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| 23:25.43 | enouf | is liking links2 -g |
| 23:25.44 | Wyzard | devicenull: I assume the program you're trying to compile is something that's not available as a Debian package, right? |
| 23:26.02 | devicenull | it is.. but this is a forked version |
| 23:26.13 | devicenull | so it's not a debian package |
| 23:26.18 | IoX | Wyzard: when I try to apt-get install jedit, it tells me "E: The package jedit needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it." |
| 23:26.22 | Wyzard | ok |
| 23:26.52 | devicenull | its an xorg video driver |
| 23:26.59 | Wyzard | IoX: Forget about installing it for the moment... do "apt-get update" again (note, *update*, not *upgrade* or something like that) and then try "apt-cache policy jedit" again |
| 23:27.24 | Wyzard | IoX: Trying to install the package is pointless when apt doesn't know it's available |
| 23:27.41 | IoX | well when I use apt-cache policy jedit it says theres something available |
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| 23:27.59 | Wyzard | from dl.sourceforge.net? |
| 23:28.06 | h3sp4wn | devicenull: are you running testing or stable or unstable ? |
| 23:28.35 | devicenull | etcg |
| 23:28.37 | devicenull | *etch |
| 23:29.00 | metrics | Has anybody here had success getting compiz to work with the nvidia beta drivers? |
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| 23:30.45 | metrics | Wyzard: The new nvidia drivers are in experimental. |
| 23:30.59 | Wyzard | oh? |
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| 23:31.19 | Wyzard | I might try that at some point, then, though I'm hesitant because I already have stability problems with nVidia's driver in this system |
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| 23:32.16 | IoX | Wyzard: Now it wont even update and says that it fails to fetch from dl.sourceforge.net |
| 23:32.17 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: on etch or sid ? (If I am reading it correctly with the new nvidia drivers its version of aiglx would work with xorg 7 also) |
| 23:32.59 | grandy | hello... I just installed sarge and I am wondering if it's possible to just update it to etch... ? I'm experienced with linux just not debian and its package and update structure |
| 23:33.10 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: on sid ever since I replaced a geforce2 with a 6200 half a year ago |
| 23:33.28 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: I'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue specific to this system |
| 23:33.34 | craigevil | grandy your better off using the Testing netinstall than trying to upgrade |
| 23:33.59 | grandy | craigevil: the problem is that i have a driver issue that necessitates using a 2.4 kernel-based installer... the netinstall for etch fails |
| 23:34.00 | Wyzard | IoX: sounds like Sourceforge is just having problems... wait awhile and try it again later |
| 23:34.11 | dendrite | grandy: I disagree with craigevil, FWIW. |
| 23:34.17 | IoX | Wyzard: Okay, thank you. I will, do |
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| 23:34.25 | grandy | dendrite: ok... i'd like to hear your thought on the issue as well |
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| 23:34.39 | craigevil | upgrading tends to have issues with going from xfree to xorg |
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| 23:34.48 | craigevil | but it is possible |
| 23:34.53 | dendrite | grandy: To move to etch, point your sources at etch, update and dist-upgrade. |
| 23:34.56 | grandy | craigevil: ahh... it's going to have neither of those on it since it's a server |
| 23:35.12 | Wyzard | You want to run testing on a server? |
| 23:35.19 | Wyzard | Not an important one, I hope |
| 23:35.37 | Wyzard | If you just need newer versions of a few things, check backports.org |
| 23:35.44 | grandy | Wyzard: well, it's going to have a lot of failover and the actual release will be out soon |
| 23:35.53 | grandy | Wyzard: ahh maybe that's the answer |
| 23:36.01 | Wyzard | The issue isn't just crashing |
| 23:36.09 | Wyzard | testing is the last to get security fixes, for one thing |
| 23:36.33 | dendrite | Wyzard: I *thought* security had picked up etch... |
| 23:36.48 | grandy | Wyzard: is it just a matter of adding a backports source to sources.list? |
| 23:36.54 | Wyzard | Maybe they have by now; I haven't been paying that much attention to the etch release cycle |
| 23:36.58 | Wyzard | but it's a bad idea in general |
| 23:37.05 | Wyzard | grandy: yes... there are instructions on the site |
| 23:37.10 | dendrite | !backports |
| 23:37.10 | dpkg | it has been said that backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 23:37.40 | grandy | dendrite: how would i point my sources to etch? I may do a trial upgrade to make sure it goes smoothly |
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| 23:37.46 | jade | i think im blind |
| 23:37.51 | oxyride | you? |
| 23:38.05 | jade | cant tell what im doing |
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| 23:38.08 | dendrite | grandy: in your /etc/apt/sources.list, just s/sarge/etch/g |
| 23:38.21 | grandy | dendrite: ahh |
| 23:38.29 | dendrite | grandy: That's assuming standard Debian repository mirrors. |
| 23:39.00 | grandy | dendrite: yeah that is all i have at this point |
| 23:39.11 | grandy | dendrite: which would you do, backports or etch for production? |
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| 23:39.24 | dendrite | grandy: But I might hesitate to run etch on a server that could make my pager go off... |
| 23:39.47 | grandy | dendrite: ahh |
| 23:39.54 | dendrite | grandy: Probably backports for production. What is it you need newer? |
| 23:40.13 | grandy | dendrite: nothing but mysql and php really |
| 23:40.26 | Wyzard | backports has php5 and mysql5 |
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| 23:40.35 | dendrite | grandy: Heh. yeah, backports. |
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| 23:41.09 | dendrite | grandy: I'm not sure how backports handles security updates... |
| 23:41.26 | grandy | dendrite: says in my sources.list that the debian security team does nothing with backports |
| 23:41.34 | h3sp4wn | Depending on how long it is going to be in production for it might be better to use etch (if its going to be 5 years at some point it will have to be upgraded or no security updates) |
| 23:41.39 | dendrite | grandy: No, I'd be astonished if they did. |
| 23:41.45 | Wyzard | No, but the backports maintainer(s) do |
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| 23:42.00 | Wyzard | There should be something on backports.org somewhere that tells you what their policy is for security updates |
| 23:42.21 | dendrite | grandy: Just be careful with upgrades, or you'll accidentally suck in lots of backports you didn't intend to. |
| 23:42.26 | grandy | h3sp4wn: who knows... the reason i initially considered etch is b/c it sounds like it'll be released soon and i'm generally comfortable with having it be 99% stable as opposed to 99.9 |
| 23:42.28 | grandy | ahh |
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| 23:42.49 | Wyzard | actually the backport packages won't be used automatically even if they're available... like experimental |
| 23:42.59 | Wyzard | You have to specifically ask for the backport version of a package |
| 23:43.05 | h3sp4wn | grandy: Does an application need to be written or anything prior to it being officially online ? |
| 23:43.25 | ArGG | how does one goabout forcing backport package be installed? |
| 23:43.38 | dendrite | Wyzard: That's good. I saw one poor slob in here a while back that had somehow sucked in all kinds of backports crap. It was a total mess. |
| 23:43.43 | grandy | h3sp4wn: in terms of anything that's mission critical, yes... |
| 23:43.52 | Wyzard | ArGG: In aptitude, if you press enter on a package to look at its info screen, down at the bottom there's a list of all available versions of the package |
| 23:43.59 | Wyzard | ArGG: You can easily pick the backport version from there |
| 23:44.11 | ArGG | i dont use aptitude how bout when using just normal apt-get |
| 23:44.22 | Wyzard | ArGG: The instructions on backports.org have more info on it, though |
| 23:44.31 | Wyzard | ArGG: (and you should consider switching to aptitude, btw) |
| 23:44.44 | dendrite | ArGG: I guess you can do apt-get install package=version... |
| 23:44.53 | ArGG | ok |
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| 23:45.04 | Wyzard | that'll work, and "apt-get install package/backports" *might* |
| 23:45.05 | dendrite | Wyzard: I'm also a die-hard apt-get'er -- but I agree, aptitude is the future. |
| 23:45.11 | h3sp4wn | grandy: It will be released in december will it be online before then ? once etch is frozen it won't change much |
| 23:45.12 | Wyzard | but check the instructions on the site; they're there for a reason |
| 23:45.31 | dendrite | Wyzard: :P |
| 23:45.55 | grandy | h3sp4wn: shooting for nov 1 for the launch... |
| 23:46.24 | dendrite | grandy: What year? |
| 23:46.26 | dendrite | =) |
| 23:46.33 | grandy | dendrite: this year.. :) |
| 23:46.46 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 23:46.47 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 23:47.32 | h3sp4wn | grandy: etch is supposed to be frozen on october 18th - (upgrading sarge with backports would be potentially more troublesome than without backports) |
| 23:47.42 | grandy | h3sp4wn: ahh |
| 23:48.07 | Wyzard | so it's a tradeoff between ease of upgrade vs. slight security risk |
| 23:48.22 | h3sp4wn | Its not clear cut what is the best thing to do |
| 23:48.23 | dendrite | grandy: With etch so close, I *might* reconsider my aversion to running it on a production host today... |
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| 23:48.53 | dendrite | grandy: Some of that depends on how comfortable you are with fixing stuff, should it break. |
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| 23:50.11 | grandy | dendrite: i've spent the last 2 days in the datacenter trying to get megaraid to work, so i'm getting quite used to it |
| 23:51.00 | dendrite | grandy: Heh. Sounds like you're having Too Much Fun (tm). |
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| 23:52.00 | grandy | it's only enhanced by the beeping of a machine telling me that a drive needs to be replaced (which must happen after some of these machines are loaded)... |
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| 23:52.52 | dendrite | grandy: Yep. Definitely. Hats and Horns in the data center!! |
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| 23:54.09 | grandy | uh oh one more question: I just (for kicks and testing) updated one machine to etch, but it says that 112 packages have been kept back... what does that mean? |
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| 23:54.26 | liable | do a dist-upgrade |
| 23:54.44 | grandy | liable: ahh |
| 23:54.49 | Wyzard | grandy: It means the newer versions of those packages have additional dependencies that aren't satisfied by your currently-installed set of packages |
| 23:54.57 | dendrite | grandy: An upgrade is much more cautious than a dist-upgrade. |
| 23:55.00 | Wyzard | dist-upgrade will add and remove packages as necessary to satisfy the new dependencies |
| 23:55.07 | Wyzard | plain upgrade won't |
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| 23:56.11 | dendrite | grandy: It's also possible that some packages are genuinely not installable, but odds are that most of those are just dist-upgrade-able. |
| 23:56.11 | derjohn2 | If I want to package a perl script, that relies on own (perl) libs: what is the best place to put them? |
| 23:56.41 | pipeline | derjohn2: Anywhere you want, set the $SITE_PERL variable appropriately in your launch script IIRC |
| 23:57.06 | derjohn2 | so that set the @INC properly? |
| 23:57.20 | derjohn2 | (that was the main "issue" ... ) |
| 23:57.52 | dendrite | derjohn2: If you have to add to @INC, to it in a BEGIN {} block. |
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| 23:58.55 | derjohn2 | well, I dont want to touch the upstream sources if possible. (or I would use a "use lib" at the beginning of the code ... ) |
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