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| 00:00.16 | danieldg | well, first, I can't think of a good reason to change your IP |
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| 00:00.37 | danieldg | and second, you could probably delete the DHCP leases and see if that helps |
| 00:00.39 | h3sp4wn | Cooner750_: Change your mac address temporarily then change it back you will get a new ip |
| 00:00.43 | derjohn2 | I am not sure if I should put the libs under /usr/lib/perl5 - the libs are actually only used by that particular program ... |
| 00:00.45 | Guerin | Cooner750_: why would you want to change your ip? been banned? |
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| 00:01.00 | Cooner750_ | I'm trying to figure out an issue that's come up. I am unable to access my server here at my aunt's house from Home. Using RoadRunner. Now this is what's odd. |
| 00:01.05 | Cooner750_ | Anywhere else it works |
| 00:01.10 | Cooner750_ | but not from home |
| 00:01.12 | Cooner750_ | and I dont know why |
| 00:01.35 | Guerin | i find it hard to believe it'ds an ip thing |
| 00:02.12 | Cooner750_ | I have no idea. I ran a traceroute from home to my server. I can see it leaving the LAN, and then going through "10.55.192.1" and then after that it "time out" "time out" "Time out" |
| 00:02.29 | rvsjoen | what about deleting the entry drom dhclient.leases before renewing ? |
| 00:02.38 | Guerin | Cooner750_: call techsupp |
| 00:02.39 | grandy | liable: it not kept back my kernel image on etch even after dist-upgrade... any ideas? |
| 00:02.46 | Guerin | Cooner750_: it's a routing issue, not an ip address thing |
| 00:02.53 | Cooner750_ | First, I wondered, is it OK to host a website using Road Runner? |
| 00:03.13 | Cooner750_ | I've never had any issues before. I was uploading files to my server via SFTP and the software suddenly crashed and since then it wont work from home. |
| 00:03.39 | h3sp4wn | Cooner750_: Its the isp side - changing your mac address then using dhcp then resetting it to normal then use dhcp again will get you another ip (unless you have a static ip) |
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| 00:04.26 | Cooner750_ | Could it simply be a routing issue with one of their servers? What dosent make sense is, even if it's not in the Terms of Service that you can host a site, then I'd imagine they'd block the IP it's coming from, Not one that is trying to access it. |
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| 00:05.02 | Cooner750_ | I cant access it at all with either the IP or the DynDNS hostname |
| 00:05.07 | coulee | I have 3 IPs on a server, why does the server treat my 3rd ip eth0:1 as my main ip? |
| 00:05.12 | coulee | instead of eth0 |
| 00:05.43 | simonrvn | coulee: *shrug*. is that the first one in your interfaces file maybe? |
| 00:05.59 | Cooner750_ | So, should I contact tech support? |
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| 00:06.32 | coulee | eth0 is the first one in my interfaces file |
| 00:06.35 | coulee | eth0:1 is last |
| 00:06.41 | vick | What's the library name for realizing dvd/cd inserted is not all empty/full and being able to append data to it ? |
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| 00:07.06 | NaufraGo | do you know any free dns service? |
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| 00:07.16 | Cooner750_ | NaufraGo: Like DynDNS? |
| 00:07.28 | coulee | NaufraGo there are a bunch |
| 00:07.30 | coulee | google.com |
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| 00:07.49 | Cooner750_ | DynDNS.org does Static and Dynamic |
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| 00:08.24 | n3kl | Hi |
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| 00:09.06 | simonrvn | coulee: that's weird then. maybe it goes by IP? |
| 00:10.10 | n3kl | I have a wierd issue. I have narrowed it down to a single machine so now I know where it is comming from. I keep getting messages about DHCP Request that my network does not support, but it continues trying. It is trying to repair a connection that does not exist. When I do ifconfig, the interface is not even up, so I don't understand how it is trying to get an IP. Anyone? |
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| 00:10.43 | Cooner750 | How do I clear the dhclient leases? |
| 00:10.48 | bonez39 | can linux write to an NTFS formatted hard drive? |
| 00:11.25 | rvsjoen | yes |
| 00:11.38 | Wyzard | bonez39: with the support in current official kernels, only in a very limited way |
| 00:11.47 | Wyzard | bonez39: With alternative drivers that are available, more fully |
| 00:11.57 | Cooner750 | Do I empty the dhclient.leases file? |
| 00:12.17 | Wyzard | Cooner750: You could, but why do you need to do that? |
| 00:12.47 | Cooner750 | I'm just asking, is that how to clear the leases? Then how do I get dhclient to request a new IP? |
| 00:13.00 | Guerin | Cooner750: why haven't you just called tech support to say 'the internets aren't working, fix it' |
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| 00:13.19 | Cooner750 | Do I kill dhclient first, empty the file, and then run 'dhclient'? I just wanted to try one thing first |
| 00:13.19 | n3kl | when I do a pgrep dhc -l, I have : dhclient3 dhcdbd dhclient all running, which one do I need? |
| 00:13.36 | h3sp4wn | Cooner750: That won't work what you need is to clear the dhcp from the isp side (only way I know how to do it is to change the mac address) |
| 00:13.39 | Wyzard | Cooner750: If you have an existing lease then dhclient will ask the DHCP server for permission to continue using it, but if it's not OK then the DHCP server will say no and dhclient will ask for a new one |
| 00:13.45 | bonez39 | Wyzard, reason I ask..is I have a USB DRIVE....it's 80gb or so....plenty to back up a system...I have, yet it was originally formatted with NTFS....and my system to back up is running linux with ext3....I am likely not going to be able to back up that drive, eh? |
| 00:13.52 | Guerin | Cooner750: you've been told to change your mac address, but that's pointless. The packets are getting out of your box; it's after an external routing machine that they fail |
| 00:14.09 | Cooner750 | So DNS issue with Road Runner I guess... |
| 00:14.14 | Guerin | Cooner750: this is not something you can fix by getting a new ip address, unless it also happens to come with a different gateway, etc. |
| 00:14.22 | Guerin | Cooner750: no, not dns ... routing |
| 00:14.32 | Cooner750 | I'll wait a few days and see if it clears up first. |
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| 00:14.50 | h3sp4wn | Guerin: That was the original question how can I get a new ip address |
| 00:14.52 | Guerin | Cooner750: you don't have to try and be all clever about it - just say 'my internet isn't working, fix it now or I won't pay' |
| 00:15.02 | Guerin | h3sp4wn: yes: pointless waste of time. |
| 00:15.16 | pipeline | Cooner750, Guerin : Well, since he's a residential customer, they'll tell him to fuck off. |
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| 00:15.18 | Cooner750 | What I'm wondering is if it's OK to host a website using Road Runner? and that they havent blocked it somehow? |
| 00:15.27 | Guerin | pipeline: that's as may be, I suppose. |
| 00:15.36 | pipeline | Cooner750: They won't have it blocked, but no, it's not OK. It runs against your ToS. |
| 00:15.42 | Guerin | Cooner750: teh packets are *timing out* |
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| 00:15.52 | Cooner750 | Ok then, I'll see what happens |
| 00:16.02 | pipeline | Cooner750, Guerin : What residential customers *can* do is not pay. If you call billing and whine about an outtage, they'll prorate your bill for the days that it wasn't working. |
| 00:16.14 | fasta | I used to be in the 'wheel' group to su to root a few years ago. Why has this changed? Also, is there a way to make sure I can't su to root? |
| 00:16.28 | Guerin | fasta: debian hasn't ever used wheel, AIUI. |
| 00:16.46 | Guerin | fasta: and the way to make sure you can't su to root is ... don't tell yourself the root password |
| 00:16.49 | Wyzard | not by default |
| 00:16.56 | Wyzard | You can enable pam_wheel.so in your PAM configuration |
| 00:17.07 | Guerin | fasta: ... or give yourself physical access to the machine in question |
| 00:17.20 | Wyzard | then the wheel group is necessary |
| 00:17.35 | Guerin | Wyzard: big wheel = high roller |
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| 00:17.45 | abrotman | ack! |
| 00:17.58 | liable | fin! |
| 00:18.54 | fasta | Guerin: maybe I am confusing with another OS then. |
| 00:19.05 | h3sp4wn | fasta: bsd probably |
| 00:19.17 | fasta | h3sp4wn: yes, I used that too. |
| 00:19.19 | abrotman | fasta: any of the bsd's .. though . it's possible that debian/bsd uses wheel . dunno .. ask tarzeau |
| 00:19.26 | Guerin | some linuxen use wheel as well |
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| 00:19.47 | abrotman | Piggy: wb |
| 00:19.47 | h3sp4wn | only gentoo that I can think of |
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| 00:19.53 | Guerin | h3sp4wn: slack? |
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| 00:20.16 | EdLin | Guerin: no, Slack doesn't use wheel |
| 00:20.42 | h3sp4wn | Guerin: never remember using it on slackware |
| 00:20.47 | avar | how should I report bugs regarding debian docs? reportbug (aside from crashing) seem very focused on packages, and that goes for the rest of the bug tracking system |
| 00:20.55 | avar | there's a tyop in the debian manual |
| 00:21.02 | Guerin | hm, ok |
| 00:21.04 | EdLin | Guerin: I think the original RMS rant against wheel is in the su *info* page in Slackware, but not on the manpage anymore. |
| 00:21.05 | liable | haha |
| 00:21.11 | abrotman | avar: docs for what? |
| 00:21.17 | avar | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ch-bind.html |
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| 00:21.24 | avar | "thaht" not "that" |
| 00:21.29 | DaveyB | Guys my Linux box is pracitcally all sorted :() |
| 00:21.34 | DaveyB | :) I am soooo happy |
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| 00:21.37 | abrotman | avar: look all the way at the bottom |
| 00:21.45 | abrotman | avar: grr .. nm .. it's not on that one |
| 00:21.53 | avar | abrotman: :) |
| 00:22.01 | abrotman | avar: there's a package for that ... |
| 00:22.19 | abrotman | avar: i'd assume you oculd send a note to the author listed at the top |
| 00:22.47 | SerajewelKS | can "ftp" do recursive retrievals? |
| 00:22.58 | abrotman | avar: somewhere on the bugs.d.o site .. there's a list of packages that aren't really packages |
| 00:23.01 | luca83 | do somebody have an idea of why in my boot process modprobe looks for its file before that the root partition is properly mounted? |
| 00:23.01 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: wget ? |
| 00:23.13 | avar | eugh |
| 00:23.16 | luca83 | s/file/files |
| 00:23.21 | avar | I'll just mail the author at the top |
| 00:23.27 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: isn't that just for "linked" things? |
| 00:23.37 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: lftp can |
| 00:23.44 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i don't think so |
| 00:23.49 | abrotman | avar: i'm looking around for it |
| 00:23.54 | Guerin | i suppose ftp probably can, too, but lftp is superior in every way. |
| 00:24.05 | pipeline | lftp and ncftp are both equally awful in different ways |
| 00:24.11 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: interesting, looking... |
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| 00:24.49 | abrotman | avar: i found it! |
| 00:24.56 | abrotman | avar: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=www.debian.org;dist=unstable |
| 00:24.56 | DaveyB | Hey guys, I was wondering how I could tell wether my graphics card is recognized proplerly and working as my resolutions don't seem that good. :) |
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| 00:25.35 | abrotman | which resolutions are available ? |
| 00:26.12 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: does lftp use binary or text mode by default? |
| 00:26.16 | coulee | would /etc/init.d/networking restart drop current connections? |
| 00:26.31 | abrotman | not usually |
| 00:26.32 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: i have no idea. |
| 00:26.36 | abrotman | not ESTABLISHED ones |
| 00:26.44 | coulee | abrotman you're sure?! |
| 00:26.48 | coulee | Absolutely sure?! |
| 00:26.54 | abrotman | coulee: try it . let us know :) |
| 00:26.57 | Wyzard | It'd interrupt them briefly (maybe causing some lost packets that TCP would have to retransmit) |
| 00:27.02 | Wyzard | but it shouldn't cause them to be forgotten |
| 00:27.02 | coulee | i won't if it's not for certain |
| 00:27.03 | abrotman | coulee: i know it doesn't reset ssh connections |
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| 00:27.26 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: should have RTFM myself. binary, FYI. |
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| 00:27.52 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: that seems sane. |
| 00:27.54 | avar | abrotman: I just sent a mail to the author, or one of them |
| 00:28.04 | abrotman | avar: okeedokee |
| 00:28.17 | avar | n |
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| 00:28.53 | avar | yay, the message bounced |
| 00:28.53 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: yes... "ftp" uses ascii by default. pisses me off. |
| 00:29.12 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: yeah i think lftp is the client i've been looking for forever |
| 00:29.25 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: it's yummeh and plenty scriptable |
| 00:29.34 | Guerin | !ftpmustdie |
| 00:29.34 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 00:29.40 | Guerin | notwithstanding ^ |
| 00:29.46 | abrotman | avar: then file the bug .. just send an email if you don't like reportbug |
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| 00:30.26 | avar | abrotman: I'm going to sleep() now;| |
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| 00:30.34 | abrotman | ok |
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| 00:31.39 | biologos | is aluminum keyboard nice? |
| 00:31.58 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: lftp also uses passive by default, which is great |
| 00:33.17 | abrotman | biologos: i rub myself with mine |
| 00:33.39 | biologos | you rub your pussy? |
| 00:33.39 | biologos | with your keyboard? |
| 00:33.43 | Guerin | biologos: he rubs his johnny conqueror root |
| 00:33.45 | abrotman | presumptious aren't we ... |
| 00:33.50 | Guerin | biologos: and there ain't nothin' you can do |
| 00:34.00 | DaveyB | Hey guys, I was wondering how I could tell wether my graphics card is recognized proplerly and working as my resolutions don't seem that good. :) |
| 00:34.12 | Guerin | DaveyB: you said that before. |
| 00:34.28 | Guerin | DaveyB: look at the output of xrandr and hwinfo --monitor |
| 00:34.30 | biologos | DaveyB why do you care even |
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| 00:34.50 | abrotman | because it's his video card ? |
| 00:35.00 | abrotman | why do you care about an aluminum keyboard? and what does it have to do with debian? |
| 00:36.06 | biologos | because it may be my keyboard |
| 00:36.49 | abrotman | at least his question is related .. yours isn't |
| 00:37.22 | biologos | ok, do you want me to fuck you now? this is what you want? |
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| 00:37.42 | dondelelcaro | right... that was like a train wreck in slow motion. |
| 00:37.54 | abrotman | oh dear .. here comes the trolley! |
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| 00:39.11 | clientxs | anyone here have a AMD Serenade 1U m/b? |
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| 00:39.59 | Guerin | !anyone use a AMD Serenade 1U m/b? |
| 00:39.59 | dpkg | No, no one uses a AMD Serenade 1U m/b, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:40.41 | SerajewelKS | /an/ AMD, dammit |
| 00:41.05 | clientxs | hmmm |
| 00:41.16 | abrotman | clientxs: what about it? |
| 00:41.20 | DaveyB | Guerin, I read up the man page for xrandr and nothing useful there that is purely about resolutions, and I don't have access to hwinfo |
| 00:41.32 | DaveyB | Aren't there any standard tools within GNOME or Debian Etch? |
| 00:41.44 | clientxs | abrotman: have an issue with the Network Adaptors being laybelled with a bogus Device ID |
| 00:41.50 | abrotman | DaveyB: you have to install it |
| 00:41.56 | abrotman | clientxs: really? |
| 00:42.08 | clientxs | from the spec sheet the Devicve ID of the cards should be 1648 (BCM5704) |
| 00:42.12 | clientxs | but they're 0000 |
| 00:42.27 | abrotman | update-pciids ? |
| 00:42.43 | clientxs | abrotman: pciid's doesn't make a difference :( |
| 00:42.55 | Guerin | DaveyB: install hwinfo. xrandr twlls you what resolutions your current configuration supports. hwinfo tells you what resolutions your hardware CAN support |
| 00:43.01 | lumgwada | Hello can anyone suggest a good resource on configuration tricks when compiling source distributions on Debian systems?... I occasionally need to compile from source and find it can be tricky compared to other distributions...thx. |
| 00:43.01 | abrotman | clientxs: show us lspci |
| 00:43.03 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:43.04 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:43.17 | clientxs | abrotman: ok, gimme two secs need to boot up. |
| 00:43.27 | Guerin | lumgwada: read the nm guide |
| 00:43.35 | Guerin | !tell lumgwada about nm guide |
| 00:43.40 | lumgwada | Guerin: Cheers |
| 00:43.44 | amphi | lumgwada: what problems do you have? perhaps you aren't installing the relevant -dev packages? |
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| 00:45.45 | clientxs | kinda |
| 00:46.41 | abrotman | kinda ? |
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| 00:48.31 | Nobu | WAH! |
| 00:48.33 | Nobu | Hi. |
| 00:49.33 | lumgwada | amphi: I had trouble last month on installing a php extension (php-json) on a debian stable system (the same source was very easy to compile on a fedora box). I am doing one now so I won't trouble you I was just looking for a best practice guide |
| 00:49.34 | Nobu | *whispers* It's like a library in here. Can I ask a noobly question that I've found massive resistance to actually answering through online documentation? |
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| 00:49.54 | seb- | anyone of ever heard of using imap for a file server? |
| 00:50.23 | DaveyB | Guerin, I installed it and it's displayed loads of stuff about it, so how do i know if it is using it properly? Like you would do in device manager :) |
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| 00:50.50 | SubStack | Nobu: don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 00:50.55 | Nobu | Okay, I'll ask. How do I format the stable, testing, and unstable sources for Debian in sources.list? |
| 00:51.04 | th0ger | seb-: think that should be possible |
| 00:51.42 | th0ger | seb-: i sometimes access my remote files via mutt/imap :) |
| 00:51.46 | Nobu | I honestly can't find the actual addresses that I should be putting in there. It's like pulling teeth, but I'm probably just not looking in the right places. |
| 00:51.57 | abrotman | seb-: ask #courier or #cyrus |
| 00:52.00 | SubStack | Nobu: like the actual debian mirrors? |
| 00:52.18 | Nobu | Yep. |
| 00:52.22 | seb- | th0ger: you access *files* with mutt? how? |
| 00:52.30 | TheUni` | yo |
| 00:52.34 | Ragnaroek | hey |
| 00:52.39 | seb- | th0ger: it only works on mail folders |
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| 00:53.10 | DaveyB | So dis this mean that the kernel supports my graphics card?: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3919http://channels.debian.net/paste/3919 |
| 00:53.16 | SubStack | Nobu: if so, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 00:53.33 | Nobu | I don't have to put anything crazy at the end like in Synaptic? |
| 00:53.59 | Nobu | Basically, I just want to include testing as one of my sources on the install. |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | DaveyB: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 00:54.13 | SubStack | deb http://url/ (sarge|testing|stable|etc) main |
| 00:54.20 | th0ger | seb-: well its not happy to open non-mail folders, but it does it anyway :) |
| 00:54.28 | DaveyB | abrotman, 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS300M AGP [Radeon Mobility 9100IGP] |
| 00:54.44 | abrotman | eh .. i think it should |
| 00:54.50 | DaveyB | That's my card :) - So it is supported.. |
| 00:54.54 | SubStack | Nobu: man sources.list for more info |
| 00:54.57 | Nobu | Oh, okay. That's awesome. Now... how am I supposed to know what the URL is? |
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| 00:55.04 | Nobu | Ahh. |
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| 00:55.17 | Nobu | I could've sworn I checked there. Thanks, though, SubStack. =D |
| 00:55.37 | th0ger | seb-: right now im opening a pdf file with mutt via imap |
| 00:56.04 | seb- | th0ger: now wait just one nanosecond..... |
| 00:56.25 | seb- | th0ger: to open a pdf you'd have to tunnel X through your ssh connection to view it from a remote server! |
| 00:56.46 | th0ger | seb-: nope ;) |
| 00:56.59 | seb- | th0ger: explain |
| 00:57.19 | th0ger | seb-: mutt runs locally. access server with imap |
| 00:57.42 | seb- | th0ger: wow...that'd be new to me...i always ssh to server to run mutt |
| 00:58.06 | th0ger | seb-: i love it too |
| 00:58.27 | DaveyB` | abrotman, 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS300M AGP [Radeon Mobility 9100IGP], Does that mean my card is supported? |
| 00:58.38 | abrotman | eh .. i think it should |
| 00:58.40 | abrotman | be |
| 00:58.52 | abrotman | DaveyB`: X -version |
| 00:58.53 | DaveyB` | thankyou abrotman |
| 00:58.56 | th0ger | seb-: but the ssh/mutt has the advantage, that only one set of config files is needed |
| 00:59.02 | Quintin | What does a smilie in the debian installer next to a partition mean ?? |
| 00:59.10 | DaveyB` | abrotman, X Window System Version 7.0.0 |
| 00:59.11 | Nobu | Yeah, man sources.list doesn't actually have an example of the URI for apt sources. =P |
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| 00:59.32 | seb- | Quintin: that it will be formatted |
| 00:59.39 | abrotman | DaveyB`: it should be supported somewhere/somehow |
| 00:59.41 | seb- | Quintin: and that it is new i think |
| 00:59.54 | DaveyB` | abrotman, thankyou |
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| 01:00.13 | Nobu | What is the actual URL to use for official debian repositories in sources.list? |
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| 01:00.38 | th0ger | seb-: when i choose a non-mailbox file in mutt it complains. but it then treats the file as an attachment. the mime types allow me to open anything i want |
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| 01:01.24 | th0ger | seb-: guess it could be configured not to complain about non-mailboxes |
| 01:02.29 | abrotman | Nobu: there are many |
| 01:02.41 | th0ger | seb-: anyway, i use sshfs - thats more convenient ;) |
| 01:03.36 | dvs | Nobu: ftp.us.debian.org |
| 01:03.52 | Nobu | Abrotman: Is there an example of the standard one? Or the most default one? I'm just trying to add the testing branch to my install, and the fact that I lack entirely any knowledge of the proper syntax is killing me. =P |
| 01:04.03 | abrotman | !tell Nobu about sarge->etch |
| 01:04.12 | Nobu | Ah. Thanks, dvs. |
| 01:04.19 | Nobu | And you, abrot. |
| 01:04.23 | dvs | Nobu: Assuming you do live in GA |
| 01:04.32 | abrotman | something like http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 01:05.43 | Nobu | I do, actually. |
| 01:05.47 | Nobu | Live in Georgia. |
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| 01:06.07 | Nobu | Thanks abrot. |
| 01:06.40 | Quintin | why is exim the default MTA in debian rather than postfix? |
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| 01:07.28 | abrotman | Quintin: because |
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| 01:08.43 | Quintin | abrotman: ... |
| 01:08.51 | abrotman | Quintin: coin flip ? |
| 01:09.12 | Quintin | abrotman: hmmm? |
| 01:09.27 | abrotman | !why exim4 |
| 01:09.27 | dpkg | http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/logloglog/?m=single&qid=31 |
| 01:09.27 | abrotman | !why exim |
| 01:10.01 | th0ger | !why postfix ? |
| 01:10.07 | dvs | !why me |
| 01:10.15 | th0ger | !because |
| 01:10.15 | dpkg | Why? |
| 01:10.16 | abrotman | you're canadian |
| 01:10.17 | ArGG | more like !whynot exim |
| 01:10.20 | dvs | doh! |
| 01:10.40 | abrotman | you'd have to ask peterS if that is at all factual |
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| 01:11.40 | peterS | abrotman: I can't say whether it's factual. it's an accurate paste of something I said, though |
| 01:11.55 | abrotman | i know you said that .. |
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| 01:15.13 | toraton | Hi, quick question: man gcc tells me that I don't have the gcc manpages. Which package would those be in? I tried isntalling gcc-2.95-doc but that did "nothing" |
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| 01:15.43 | abrotman | manpages-dev maybe |
| 01:16.07 | toraton | Hmm, manpages-dev is the newest version... |
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| 01:16.11 | toraton | Wonder what I've done wrong? |
| 01:16.22 | peterS | toraton: there are gcc-4.x-doc packages |
| 01:16.26 | vulture | toraton: exactly which man pages are you looking for? |
| 01:16.37 | peterS | toraton: but I note that in unstable, 'gcc-4.2' itself contains the manpage for gcc 4.2 |
| 01:16.38 | abrotman | peterS: for gcc2.x ? |
| 01:16.58 | toraton | gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20060901 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-13) |
| 01:17.02 | toraton | I'd need the manpages for that. |
| 01:17.10 | toraton | gcc-4.1.2-doc then? |
| 01:17.13 | toraton | Or something of that sort? |
| 01:17.17 | peterS | toraton: so try gcc-4.1-doc |
| 01:17.21 | abrotman | oh |
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| 01:17.27 | abrotman | apt-cache search gcc doc ? |
| 01:17.40 | toraton | I tried searching for gcc-doc, I'll try it unhyphenated. |
| 01:17.43 | abrotman | poopybutt: don't they have TP where you live ? |
| 01:17.44 | dvs | toraton: oh yeah, they removed that because it wasn't DFSG or whatever compliant |
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| 01:18.01 | poopybutt | they do, i just dont use it |
| 01:18.04 | toraton | Yes, 4.1 is not in the tree. 4.0 is, however. |
| 01:18.05 | poopybutt | i like to keep a messy crack |
| 01:18.12 | peterS | toraton: gcc-4.1-doc is in non-free |
| 01:18.15 | abrotman | oh .. gcc docs are in non-free aren't they |
| 01:18.21 | dvs | yup |
| 01:18.23 | peterS | toraton: gcc-4.2 has the docs included again, apparently it turned out to be free after all |
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| 01:18.49 | toraton | Hmm, 4.0 is the latest I am seeing from apt-cache search gcc doc |
| 01:18.51 | abrotman | i'm skeptical! |
| 01:19.01 | peterS | toraton: do you have non-free in your sources.list? |
| 01:19.02 | toraton | I do. |
| 01:19.09 | toraton | I'm running update, one moment. |
| 01:19.13 | toraton | Just to make sure. |
| 01:19.19 | abrotman | actually .. i have non-free . i don't have 4.1 docs either |
| 01:19.29 | toraton | Yep, no sign of 4.1 |
| 01:19.29 | SubStack | vrms will be most displeased |
| 01:19.29 | peterS | 'apt-cache policy gcc-4.1-doc' shows 4.1.1.nf2-1 in non-free, here |
| 01:19.34 | abrotman | real men use 'strings' |
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| 01:19.55 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.59 | abrotman | for an etch box |
| 01:20.00 | toraton | Same here. |
| 01:20.03 | asg | abrotman: no, real men floss with g-strings |
| 01:20.09 | peterS | SubStack: hahaha. vrms displeased about a GFDL doc. that's funny stuff. |
| 01:20.23 | toraton | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 01:20.25 | toraton | That's my repo. |
| 01:20.30 | abrotman | asg: is that why brits have notoriously bad teeth ... ladies there only wear granny-style ? |
| 01:20.37 | peterS | toraton: it's in unstable. perhaps it isn't in etch.. |
| 01:20.45 | asg | abrotman: could be, could be. |
| 01:20.45 | abrotman | it's not! |
| 01:21.00 | toraton | peterS, Would it be safe to grab it from unstable? it IS just documentation... |
| 01:21.04 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=gcc-4.1-doc |
| 01:21.31 | peterS | toraton: oh well, just install it from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/g/gcc-4.1-doc-non-dfsg/gcc-4.1-doc_4.1.1.nf2-1_all.deb |
| 01:21.55 | toraton | peterS, Sounds good. |
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| 01:22.13 | dvs | petemc: what if it doesn't work with etch's libc6? ;-) |
| 01:22.17 | DaveLib | hello i am running sarge until now i have been mostly using programs i installed from the debian repos with apt-get |
| 01:22.20 | peterS | dvs: hehe |
| 01:22.42 | petemc | zing |
| 01:22.48 | DaveLib | i wanted to try compiling some software to add that isnt in sarge or backports |
| 01:23.10 | abrotman | !tell DaveLib about simple sid backport |
| 01:24.11 | DaveLib | abrotman: but the software i want isnt in the backports site so i thought i would download source directly from the upstream orignator |
| 01:24.29 | abrotman | !tell DaveLib about simple sid backport |
| 01:24.35 | abrotman | it's not in debian at all ? |
| 01:25.28 | abrotman | !tell DaveLib about mg |
| 01:25.32 | DaveLib | well ok i want to install qemu and run etch as an experimental safe alternative in qemu from inside my sarge |
| 01:25.42 | abrotman | qemu is in etch and sid |
| 01:25.45 | abrotman | i thought it was in sarge too |
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| 01:26.44 | DaveLib | yes it is in those but i was looking in the qemu site they said the sarge qemu doesnt do networking right in the client os |
| 01:26.51 | raghu206 | #flood |
| 01:27.36 | DaveLib | they said a later version of qemu will do client networking rightr from inside sarge but the packaged qemu in sarge is an old version of qemu that doesnt do it right |
| 01:28.00 | abrotman | DaveLib: i had etch working with etch's qemu |
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| 01:28.13 | Quintin | Hmmmm my wifi is not "just work"ing ....... now I can't connect to net and finish my install!! :(( |
| 01:28.17 | DaveLib | so they said if you want to run qemu inside sarge and get networking for the client os best is to compile qemu from source to get a more up to date qemu in sarge |
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| 01:28.36 | dan2 | abrotman: is qemu slower than dirt? |
| 01:28.43 | DaveLib | yes they said etch has the more up tp date qemu but sarge doesnt |
| 01:28.49 | abrotman | dan2: sure .. but that's not the point |
| 01:29.06 | DaveLib | and i checked the backports site couldnt find qemu therer |
| 01:29.28 | DaveLib | so i thought my best bet is to compile qemu from source i get at the qemu site |
| 01:30.16 | DaveLib | dan2: in the qemu source there is also an accelerator for qemu you have to compile to get it they are not distirbutuign a binary of it |
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| 01:31.04 | DaveLib | anyway to compile source i wanted to confirm methods ie what to do to make a clean and maintainable system |
| 01:31.52 | DaveLib | do i download from qemu site the tar source file mv it to /usr/local as root extract it with tar in /usr/local |
| 01:32.26 | DaveLib | go into the new directory it creates ie cd and do ./configure then make and make install ? |
| 01:33.25 | abrotman | if you want to know how to compile qemu .. ask them .. if you want to make a package .. read /msg dpkg mg |
| 01:33.55 | DaveLib | thanks abrotman i will check mg |
| 01:34.05 | peterS | DaveLib: no, you type ./configure --help and read the options and decide which ones are interesting to you. if you're not going to do even that much there's no point in doing any of the work yourself, you may as well just install debian packages |
| 01:34.07 | abrotman | or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 01:36.14 | Quintin | how can I see what kernel modules are available to me? |
| 01:36.39 | asg | Quintin: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -type f |
| 01:37.44 | abrotman | i think there's a way with modprobe or modinfo too |
| 01:38.14 | abrotman | modprobe -l |
| 01:38.26 | mooseman447 | does anybody know how to make a linux script to login into servers and sent a shutdown command/ |
| 01:38.45 | Quintin | well |
| 01:38.46 | Quintin | crap |
| 01:38.58 | LoRez | ssh root@$server shutdown -hf now |
| 01:39.14 | mooseman447 | yea but wont it ask me for the password? |
| 01:39.24 | Quintin | I am guessing that my HW is not supported in 2.4 kernel |
| 01:39.27 | mooseman447 | is there anyway i can store the password in the script for total automation |
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| 01:39.30 | Quintin | why you lamers gotta be using old shit :p |
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| 01:39.38 | Quintin | will the net install CD let me install 2.6? |
| 01:39.38 | kyuss_ | AHA! |
| 01:39.42 | dvs | Quintin: well, you could install the 2.6 kernel |
| 01:39.44 | kyuss_ | yes it will |
| 01:39.47 | petemc | Quintin: ? |
| 01:39.51 | Quintin | kyuss_: without being on the net? |
| 01:39.55 | dvs | Quintin: yes |
| 01:39.59 | abrotman | Quintin: yes .. read the instructions .. lamer |
| 01:40.09 | kyuss_ | whats nero for linux? |
| 01:40.21 | petemc | Quintin: people have been helping you for hours, and you're calling them names? |
| 01:40.32 | raghu206 | difference betweem i586 and i386 |
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| 01:41.25 | Quintin | petemc: bite me. and grow some thicker skin |
| 01:41.31 | petemc | hah |
| 01:41.34 | pipeline | kyuss_: Utter shit :( |
| 01:41.52 | abrotman | Quintin: quit whining and learn to read |
| 01:41.54 | pipeline | kyuss_: It has the Nero CD burning backend, but the front end is *horrible* and it includes no authoring software. |
| 01:42.07 | raghu206 | ! i586 |
| 01:42.08 | kyuss_ | so how does I burn a dvd? |
| 01:42.09 | pipeline | kyuss_: Linux already has a very, very good CD burning backend, so they ported the most useless part of nero. |
| 01:42.15 | Quintin | abrotman: ... Fuck you!! |
| 01:42.15 | raghu206 | !i586 |
| 01:42.16 | bonez39 | anyone here have experience with Testdisk, compared with gpart? |
| 01:42.21 | pipeline | kyuss_: You need to install cdrecord or cdrecord-prodvd. |
| 01:42.22 | abrotman | Quintin: because you can't read ? |
| 01:42.33 | Quintin | kyuss_: k3b is pretty neat |
| 01:42.38 | peterS | Quintin: no need to abuse people trying to help you |
| 01:42.44 | abrotman | Quintin: it's pretty clear .. you boot the CD .. and it tells you which button to hit to get help and further instructions |
| 01:42.58 | Quintin | abrotman: yea I'm aware |
| 01:43.04 | abrotman | but we're lame ? |
| 01:43.04 | pipeline | kyuss_: cdrecord-prodvd is nonfree. There's a truly Free cdrecord in debian, but it has fewer dvd-related functions. |
| 01:43.06 | mooseman447 | can anybody help with my script? |
| 01:43.26 | petemc | mooseman447: ssh keys |
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| 01:43.47 | mooseman447 | meh can i cheat and use clear text and just protect the file? |
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| 01:44.09 | Quintin | abrotman: I was making a joke. go to hell (not a joke) |
| 01:44.10 | kyuss_ | Alright, I'll just boot into windows to do it |
| 01:44.19 | peterS | mooseman447: just use ssh keys |
| 01:44.27 | Quintin | mooseman447: just use ssh keys. put public key on the other end in .authorized_hosts |
| 01:44.41 | abrotman | Quintin: noone is going to be willing to help you if you're an ass and you're too lazy to read |
| 01:44.44 | mooseman447 | is there any guides to do it/ |
| 01:44.55 | exobyte | If I do ifdown on a bridge, what happens to the virtual adapter that qemu uses? |
| 01:45.04 | Quintin | abrotman: stfu please |
| 01:45.06 | Quintin | kbie |
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| 01:45.20 | dvs | see ya |
| 01:45.22 | abrotman | at least i don't have to paste what he msg'ed me |
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| 01:45.53 | pickcoder | raghu206: the Intel 586 processor is the first Pentium chip. The i386 is the first Intel processor 80386. |
| 01:45.53 | abrotman | since it was considerably more vulgar |
| 01:46.08 | asg | abrotman: you can't say that and not paste it you know |
| 01:46.15 | peterS | sure he can |
| 01:46.20 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 01:46.26 | dvs | asg: :-) |
| 01:46.44 | asg | peterS: it's very funny though |
| 01:46.47 | exobyte | brb, maybe |
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| 01:47.08 | pickcoder | raghu206: if you are running a Pentium2 or later, you may get better performance from stuff optimized for i686 processor byte code. |
| 01:47.12 | peterS | asg: as may be, it's almost certainly off-topic |
| 01:47.20 | dan2 | asg! |
| 01:47.26 | raghu206 | pickcoder, can i install i586 on i386 |
| 01:47.34 | asg | peterS: *nod* |
| 01:47.36 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 01:47.42 | dan2 | asg: what's up man |
| 01:47.49 | abrotman | peterS: offtopic isn't even the word .. i wouldn't use that word on a navy ship |
| 01:47.53 | asg | dan2: fun, adventure, and really wild things |
| 01:48.20 | pickcoder | raghu206: If you have a real 386 processor(doubtful, unless it's a 20Mhz computer) you should only install the 386 stuff |
| 01:48.21 | dan2 | asg: cool |
| 01:48.38 | dan2 | people still use 386 in this day and age? |
| 01:48.52 | pickcoder | raghu206: 80386 assembly code will run on any processor that is i386 compatible |
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| 01:49.31 | dan2 | iirc, I went from 133mhz to 500 mhz, to 2ghz |
| 01:49.48 | dan2 | god bless moore's law |
| 01:49.52 | abrotman | duh .. young'uns .. |
| 01:49.58 | peterS | abrotman: well, predictably, he gave me a piece of his mind too. amazingly, I didn't find him particularly able to express an opinion without vulgarity either. anyway, back to #debian.. |
| 01:50.07 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:50.15 | pickcoder | I had a 486 DX2 board that had 8MB of direct-write memory/cache bank |
| 01:50.23 | pickcoder | Hippo DCA I think it was called |
| 01:50.36 | pickcoder | fast as hell for the CPU speed |
| 01:50.41 | dvs | pickcoder: luxury! ;-) |
| 01:50.51 | Guerin | they're off to computer hell in a few days |
| 01:50.52 | pickcoder | oh yeah.. 3000 at the time |
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| 01:51.49 | abrotman | oh ffs .. where's paul when you need him :) |
| 01:52.09 | liable | heh, whats the qotd for hard drives |
| 01:52.14 | pickcoder | http://www.zisman.ca/Articles/1995/Octek.html |
| 01:52.17 | pickcoder | heh.. memories |
| 01:52.22 | asg | abrotman: probably Tivoing the baseball instead of House (which I blame you for personally) |
| 01:52.29 | abrotman | !qotd158 |
| 01:52.29 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd158 is <paulswm> They don't make 2.25 ton mass storage drives any more :( |
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| 01:52.49 | peterS | get your yottabytes on |
| 01:52.50 | abrotman | asg: NOT MY FAULT .. i'm not happy about it either |
| 01:52.58 | pickcoder | grrr Intel didn't make the 8088.. |
| 01:53.02 | pickcoder | Motorola did |
| 01:53.10 | abrotman | peterS: do i have grounds for a kline if he's still doing it ? |
| 01:53.28 | peterS | abrotman: hmmmm, dunno, probably not. I'd just /ignore |
| 01:53.38 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. that's no fun |
| 01:53.50 | asg | abrotman: there's a nice /ignore script that was posted on p.d.n earlier today. |
| 01:54.15 | abrotman | he's ignored .. |
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| 01:56.33 | lunaphyte | if i want to combine linux raid and lvm, is the idea to partition the disks as raid partitions, then create the raid devices from those partitions, then create the logical volumes from the raid devices? |
| 01:56.42 | jason2343 | I'm running Debian Sarge 3.1 as a Mythtv backend + frontend (MySQL Server, Apache Server for Mythweb) as well as a Freeradius and samba server. Unfortunately, I get a hard lockup every week or so. I thought it was due to faulty ivtv drivers but it occurs even when Mythtv isn't recording. My sysconfig logs show that I'm getting a kernel panic. The log can be viewed here: http://pastebin.ca/190509. |
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| 01:56.55 | woodgrain | how can I check the cpu temp? |
| 01:57.23 | asg | woodgrain: acpi -t |
| 01:57.53 | jason2343 | i was wondering if any of you could help me diagnose the problem. I looked at the kernel panic but I can't figure out what the problem is. |
| 01:58.39 | pickcoder | memory leak maybe? |
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| 01:59.06 | pickcoder | make a cron job to take snapshots of free in a log file |
| 01:59.13 | abrotman | lunaphyte: i think you misphrased that |
| 01:59.30 | Xorm | http://xkcd.org/c149.html |
| 01:59.33 | woodgrain | asg, I don't have acpi -- it's a desktop. |
| 01:59.44 | abrotman | lunaphyte: oh .. that seems correct |
| 01:59.52 | abrotman | woodgrain: you can have acpi on a desktop |
| 01:59.53 | jason2343 | pickcoder: what makes you think it might be a memory leak? |
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| 02:00.04 | pickcoder | jason2343: first thing to look for |
| 02:00.06 | pickcoder | :P |
| 02:00.17 | woodgrain | abrotman, thx. how can I check the core temp? |
| 02:00.20 | asg | woodgrain: you probably do but don't know it. Either way, the lm-sensors package may be more of what you are looking for. |
| 02:00.24 | abrotman | is acpid loaded ? |
| 02:00.40 | woodgrain | asg, thanks, I'll look into this. |
| 02:00.52 | pickcoder | jasonwc: if you swap is getting sucked up, then you can move on to dumping 'top' |
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| 02:01.08 | pickcoder | jasonwc: if not, rewind and look at the file system |
| 02:01.15 | mortal5 | can anyone tell me where mplayer puts its codecs in debian by default? |
| 02:01.23 | mortal5 | isn't it like /usr/lib/codecs? |
| 02:01.28 | woodgrain | asg, yeah I do have acpi ... but bash won't find any acpi -t cmd. |
| 02:01.36 | jasonwc | pickcoder: for my FS i have a 550 GB LVM partition spread over 4 disks |
| 02:01.59 | asg | woodgrain: install the 'acpi' package |
| 02:02.21 | abrotman | doesn't he need acpid too ? |
| 02:02.38 | jasonwc | currently free says i have 45308 kb free space, 261080 kb of free -/+ buffers and 223660 kb of swap |
| 02:02.56 | woodgrain | asg, what's the diff betw. acpi and acpid? |
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| 02:03.10 | pickcoder | jasonwc: korgac looks like it was the culprit |
| 02:03.18 | asg | woodgrain: the former is a utilitiy for reading info, the later a daemon for acting on info. |
| 02:03.19 | pickcoder | jasonwc: atleast that's how I decipher it |
| 02:03.20 | jasonwc | pickcoder: what's korgac? |
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| 02:03.31 | pickcoder | jasonwc: I haven't looked at a core dump in a long time |
| 02:03.40 | pickcoder | which is a good thing! |
| 02:03.44 | jasonwc | ah, i don't even use korganizer |
| 02:03.54 | jasonwc | should i just remove it |
| 02:03.57 | pickcoder | Oct 2 00:44:31 localhost kernel: Process korgac (pid: 8683, threadinfo=c35f0000 task=c3bb5530) |
| 02:03.59 | woodgrain | asg, it doesn't appear that acpi would depend on acpid, except the way you describe it makes it sound that way. |
| 02:04.36 | pickcoder | events/0 (pid: 3, threadinfo=c14e8000 task=c14d9020) |
| 02:04.37 | pickcoder | hmm |
| 02:04.45 | jasonwc | pickcoder: apt-get remove korganizer says it will remove kde, kdepim, and korganizer- is that ok? |
| 02:04.58 | pickcoder | jasonwc: if you don't want KDE installed, sure.. |
| 02:04.59 | asg | woodgrain: not necessarily. Each has two separate functions though they are often used in concert. Debian separates them though. |
| 02:05.28 | jasonwc | pickcoder: i need kde for mythtv. i thought "kde" was just the metapackage and removing it doesn't do anything |
| 02:05.37 | woodgrain | asg, so i installed the acpi pkg. "no support for device channel: thermal". I guess I better read up on this. |
| 02:05.41 | pickcoder | I don't use KDE, so I dunno |
| 02:05.50 | asg | woodgrain: try 'modprobe thermal' |
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| 02:05.58 | woodgrain | modprobe thermal |
| 02:06.02 | woodgrain | wrong box |
| 02:06.05 | jasonwc | kdepim is a virtual metapackage. removing it doesn't do anything |
| 02:06.08 | jasonwc | *sorry, kde |
| 02:06.09 | mooseman447 | how do you change the clock in text mode? |
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| 02:06.16 | asg | mooseman447: hwclock |
| 02:06.23 | asg | mooseman447: or date -s |
| 02:06.33 | abrotman | use ntp like a sane person :) |
| 02:06.58 | jasonwc | pickcoder: i removed korganizer but i still see a korgac process which is strange |
| 02:07.09 | digijohn | Hi everybody. Last time I tried having two monitors at different resolutions, trying to kill X would make the computer lock hard. Have any of you seen this? Is it no longer a problem? |
| 02:07.14 | jasonwc | but korgac is a part of korganizer. "man korgac" no longer works |
| 02:07.18 | woodgrain | asg, no thermal. apt-get install thermal gives 'couldn't find package thermal' |
| 02:07.18 | mooseman447 | how do you setup ntp? |
| 02:07.23 | pickcoder | jasonwc: I dunno if korg is the problem or not. It asked for disk space and croaked. |
| 02:07.30 | pickcoder | jasonwc: maybe it's your file system |
| 02:07.54 | asg | woodgrain: thermal would be a kernel modules. Does typing 'acpi' return any relevant results at all? If not, lm-sensors is probably the way to go. |
| 02:08.05 | jasonwc | pickcoder: but i have plenty of space |
| 02:08.07 | asg | *module |
| 02:08.40 | pickcoder | jasonwc: is it ext3? |
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| 02:09.17 | jasonwc | pickcoder: everything but /video which is the LVM partition. that is XFS |
| 02:09.18 | woodgrain | asg, can I just dig around in /proc/acpi and find something? |
| 02:09.36 | slacktyro | where is modprobe.conf at debian? |
| 02:09.37 | jasonwc | pickcoder: http://pastebin.ca/index.php |
| 02:09.42 | pickcoder | jasonw: have you run fsck on it lately? |
| 02:09.43 | amphi | woodgrain: does acpi -t show you temp? |
| 02:10.13 | woodgrain | amphi, acpi -t says: no support for device type: thermal |
| 02:10.14 | asg | woodgrain: maybe but acpi is such a broken thing that if you get anything at all out of it, you should consider yourself lucky. |
| 02:10.30 | woodgrain | asg, apparently! |
| 02:10.30 | mooseman447 | i did apt-get install ntp now what? |
| 02:10.32 | amphi | woodgrain: modprobe thermal works? |
| 02:11.03 | jasonwc | pickcoder: nope |
| 02:11.04 | pickcoder | woodgrain: apt-get install sensors |
| 02:11.10 | woodgrain | amphi, I guess I don't have that kernel module because modprobe thermal doesn't do anything at all. |
| 02:11.10 | jasonwc | pickcoder: fsck on what partition? |
| 02:11.19 | pickcoder | jasonwc: your ext3 blob |
| 02:11.41 | woodgrain | pickcoder, 'couldn't find package sensors' |
| 02:11.48 | amphi | woodgrain: what do you mean, doesn't do anything at all? |
| 02:11.50 | slacktyro | where is modprobe.conf at debian? |
| 02:11.54 | pickcoder | woodgrain: try lm-sensors |
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| 02:12.24 | woodgrain | pickcoder, now that looks like a package. |
| 02:12.27 | haldrik | hello |
| 02:12.52 | haldrik | I have a problem with firefox, trying to print a web page it fail and close |
| 02:12.52 | haldrik | it say /home/haldrik/firefox/./run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 10640 Violación de segmento "$prog" ${1+"$@"} |
| 02:12.54 | woodgrain | asg, great, now I have lm-sensors, what do I do with it? |
| 02:13.07 | pickcoder | woodgrain: sensors-detect |
| 02:13.37 | pickcoder | woodgrain: don't be surprised if the readings are way off, though. |
| 02:13.46 | mooseman447 | abrotman how do you configure ntp? |
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| 02:14.07 | abrotman | !ntp |
| 02:14.07 | dpkg | ntp is, like, the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 02:14.32 | mooseman447 | thanks |
| 02:14.55 | jasonwc | pickcoder: how often do you think i should run free? |
| 02:15.44 | Guerin | woodgrain: when you need to know how much ram you're using? |
| 02:15.57 | jasonwc | pickcoder: can i run free while the partition is mounted. if not, how do i schedule it to run on bootup? |
| 02:16.08 | woodgrain | Guerin, I think you think I'm someone else. |
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| 02:16.11 | pickcoder | jasonwc: once a minute maybe? |
| 02:16.22 | jasonwc | Guerin: was that for me? |
| 02:16.23 | Guerin | behj |
| 02:16.27 | Guerin | jasonwc: yeah |
| 02:16.30 | jasonwc | ok |
| 02:16.39 | jasonwc | Guerin: well, i'm trying to diagnose a kernel panic. |
| 02:16.51 | haldrik | it say /home/haldrik/firefox/./run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 10640 Violación de segmento "$prog" ${1+"$@"} |
| 02:16.53 | pickcoder | jasonwc: free is to report memory and swap. You still should run fsck on your ext3 partitions |
| 02:16.53 | mooseman447 | hmmm i did ntpdate pool.ntp.org and it says its 9:45 pm when its really 10:16 |
| 02:16.56 | haldrik | I have a problem with firefox, trying to print a web page it fail and close |
| 02:16.57 | haldrik | it say /home/haldrik/firefox/./run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 10640 Violación de segmento "$prog" ${1+"$@"} |
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| 02:17.28 | Guerin | instead of free, just grep /proc/meminfo for what you want |
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| 02:17.45 | jasonwc | pickcoder: i know- i was asking if i could run fsck while the partitions are mounted, and if not, how i could schedule it to run on bootup |
| 02:18.06 | asg | jasonwc: touch /forcefsck ; reboot |
| 02:18.27 | jasonwc | thanks asg |
| 02:18.38 | dendrite | jasonwc: Or just shutdown -rF now |
| 02:18.40 | jasonwc | asg: will that cause it to check all the ext3 partitions? |
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| 02:19.18 | asg | jasonwc: all that have a non-zero in the <pass> field of /etc/fstab |
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| 02:19.35 | urz | hey |
| 02:19.56 | urz | how do i say if file a does not exist... in bash? |
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| 02:20.26 | asg | urz: [ ! -e $file ] |
| 02:20.29 | haldrik | I have a problem with firefox, trying to print a page it close, and say this /home/haldrik/firefox/./run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 15997 Violación de segmento "$prog" ${1+"$@"} |
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| 02:20.51 | asg | urz: read the manpage (CONDITIONAL EXPRESSIONS) for other permutations on existance and file |
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| 02:23.23 | kunjan | what is the best way to do incremental backups remotely? |
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| 02:23.48 | mcupples | Hi. |
| 02:24.05 | mcupples | Anyone... |
| 02:24.07 | asg | kunjan: dump/restore over ssh ; tar over ssh ; possibly rsync over ssh ; bacula or backuppc (if you want something more visibly enterprise) |
| 02:24.17 | mcupples | Oh hi. |
| 02:24.28 | mcupples | Anyone use Opera's irc client? |
| 02:24.52 | pickcoder | me either! |
| 02:24.52 | pickcoder | lol |
| 02:24.56 | pickcoder | oh well |
| 02:25.04 | pickcoder | there's too many already |
| 02:25.20 | asg | there can be only one |
| 02:25.22 | mcupples | Oh well. |
| 02:25.24 | pickcoder | does it run on Debian? |
| 02:25.28 | mcupples | Yeah. |
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| 02:25.38 | pickcoder | command line? |
| 02:25.39 | mcupples | They have a deb package. |
| 02:25.40 | kunjan | asg: its just one server that i need to backup daily... any easy way? |
| 02:25.48 | mcupples | No, command line nerd. :P |
| 02:25.49 | asg | mcupples: you might try ##opera also |
| 02:26.10 | mcupples | I think I will. :) |
| 02:26.16 | asg | kunjan: are you backing it up to another linux/Unix box? |
| 02:26.19 | mcupples | But as for this, any ubuntu users around? |
| 02:26.28 | asg | mcupples: most will be in #ubuntu |
| 02:26.55 | mcupples | Well that's good, actually, because I had a question for debian users that didn't adopt the new distro. |
| 02:26.56 | pickcoder | ppl knock "command line", yet they use keyboard shortcuts more often than they think instead of reaching over to the mouse |
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| 02:27.12 | mcupples | I'm kdding, man. I use nerd as a sign of reverence. :) |
| 02:27.16 | asg | pickcoder: I've been knocking the mouse for years |
| 02:27.27 | pickcoder | asg: that's not healthy or sane |
| 02:27.33 | pickcoder | or even physically possible |
| 02:27.34 | mcupples | Why haven't you debian users switched to Ubuntu yet? |
| 02:27.49 | mcupples | This is a serious question, I realize it looks like a flame. :( |
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| 02:27.54 | asg | mcupples: because it doesn't have an updated secure copy of libpam-krb5 |
| 02:27.55 | pickcoder | I do like GUI for real estate, though |
| 02:28.28 | mcupples | Well, you have to use the gui with the command line. A terminal view just doesn't have the space needed to do anything real with. |
| 02:28.31 | Wyzard | mcupples: because Ubuntu is not a replacement for Debian |
| 02:28.37 | Wyzard | mcupples: It is an alternative that targets a different userbase |
| 02:28.42 | dendrite | mcupples: Because Gnome makes me barf? |
| 02:28.59 | mcupples | Well, I understand that. Ubuntu has xfce and KDE also. |
| 02:29.24 | dendrite | mcupples: When I tried kubuntu, it was badly broken. Debian isn't broken. :-) |
| 02:29.25 | Wyzard | mcupples: Asking why people haven't switched "yet" implies that the natural order of things is that everyone eventually stops using Debian and starts using Ubuntu, which is a faulty premise |
| 02:29.31 | mcupples | I was looking for a reason to switch to Debian, honestly. I hear all this talk about which is best, but I've only ever used Red Hat 7.something and Ubuntu 6.06. |
| 02:29.43 | mcupples | That's true, I apologize. |
| 02:29.49 | mcupples | I should've rephrased. |
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| 02:30.08 | mcupples | I'm just excited with it very much. :) It's such a leap ahead from when I tried linux last. |
| 02:30.14 | Wyzard | Debian is more server-oriented and Ubuntu is more desktop-oriented, though neither of those is an absolute statement |
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| 02:30.42 | mcupples | I tried Suse 10 and Core 4, both of which didn't appear to have changed much. Ya. So it's 100% true you can make any distro do anything? |
| 02:31.02 | Wyzard | What sort of things do you have in mind when you say "make any distro do anything" ? |
| 02:31.06 | mcupples | Well, to rephrase, anything that any other distro could do. |
| 02:31.13 | asg | mcupples: it's 95% true that you can make most distros do most things. |
| 02:31.15 | dendrite | Wyzard: My first reaction was to argue with you on that, but upon reflection, I think yours is a useful and reasonable way to look at it. |
| 02:31.26 | pickcoder | mcupples: the issue is security updates, package age and availability, and overall maturity |
| 02:31.32 | Wyzard | They all use the same software -- GNOME in Debian is the same GNOME that's in Fedora, developed by the same people |
| 02:31.37 | mcupples | Ah. Which is why people like Core 5. |
| 02:31.52 | Wyzard | but each distribution has its own infrastructure for managing the system, and many packages have distribution-specific tweaks |
| 02:31.56 | mcupples | And I guess, to some extent, the promises made by Ubuntu. |
| 02:32.35 | mcupples | Gotcha. But .. hrm. I'm not phrasing this right and I don't want it to turn into a "whats ur fav distro d00d" conversation. |
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| 02:32.56 | asg | mcupples: well, since this is #debian the answer to that question would be obvious |
| 02:33.11 | mcupples | I'm just honestly curious as to the major differences between them and what makes a person choose one over the other. It's not obvious to me. :( |
| 02:33.18 | asg | mcupples: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 02:33.25 | Wyzard | dendrite: I run Debian on the desktop, but I run sid because I'm skilled enough to do that... given the choice between a Debian stable desktop and an Ubuntu desktop, I'd pick Ubuntu |
| 02:33.26 | mcupples | I just use core 3 at work so I'm a n00b. |
| 02:33.37 | benkong2 | I have an apt-get dist-upgrade problem with sasl2-bin. Could someone look here and tell me what wrong? http://pastebin.ca/190532 |
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| 02:33.54 | Wyzard | mcupples: Ubuntu is based on Debian so they're fairly similar infrastructure-wise |
| 02:34.03 | kunjan_ | asg: yeah |
| 02:34.08 | kunjan_ | asg: debian to debian |
| 02:34.15 | Wyzard | mcupples: but Debian and Fedora, for example, differ vastly in the way you install and remove packages, and configure things like networking |
| 02:34.41 | mcupples | Right, everyone at work claims that rpms suck ass, but can't for the life of them tell me why. It's like listening to mac vs. pc people argue at work. |
| 02:35.51 | Wyzard | mcupples: The capabilities are basically the same, but the details are different |
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| 02:36.18 | mcupples | Gotcha. So it's just personal preference? |
| 02:36.19 | mcupples | zomg wtf? |
| 02:36.19 | mcupples | zomg. |
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| 02:36.19 | benkong2 | hmmm..... |
| 02:36.19 | mcupples | So what you're saying is that it's just personal preference? |
| 02:36.19 | Wyzard | mcupples: It used to be that RPM sucked because there was no automatic dependency resolution -- if you installed package A which depended on package B, you'd have to manually go download package B and try to install that, but it would fail because you needed package C, and so on |
| 02:36.20 | mcupples | But no more? |
| 02:36.23 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:36.23 | Wyzard | mcupples: Debian's "apt-get" downloads all the dependencies automatically, so that was a valid anti-RPM statement for awhile |
| 02:36.23 | mcupples | I mean, within reason, no more? |
| 02:36.27 | Wyzard | mcupples: but Fedora does that too these days |
| 02:36.33 | Wyzard | It's pretty much just preference |
| 02:36.39 | Wyzard | whatever it is that you're used to |
| 02:36.50 | Wyzard | There are different strengths and weaknesses between distros but they're not giant glaring differences |
| 02:36.56 | pickcoder | I think it's easier to rebuild a botched apt database than RPM |
| 02:37.03 | pickcoder | but that's personal preference |
| 02:37.23 | mcupples | Well, pick, I'd rather reinstall my box than rebuild anything. |
| 02:37.32 | pickcoder | sometimes that's not an option |
| 02:37.33 | Wyzard | One of the things I like about Debian is its long-term maintainability |
| 02:37.38 | pickcoder | I.E. critical machine |
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| 02:37.45 | Wyzard | I've been using this box for six years, running unstable and updating daily |
| 02:38.17 | mcupples | That would be a nice selling point, I guess. I just reformat so often that it's not one for me. |
| 02:38.32 | Wyzard | Having to reformat and reinstall is a hassle |
| 02:38.32 | mcupples | Critical machines can be down for a few minutes. :) |
| 02:38.47 | Wyzard | but like I said, Debian aims to be suitable for things like mission-critical servers |
| 02:39.00 | pickcoder | it's takes longer than a few minutes to rebuild a major server |
| 02:39.02 | mcupples | I like installing new things. Also, having to reformat and reinstall is almost necessary on Windows machines. |
| 02:39.02 | pickcoder | :P |
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| 02:40.10 | pickcoder | mcupples: that depends on hardware and what software is put in the PC |
| 02:40.10 | jasonwc | pickcoder: ok, i have set it to log free every minute and log it to a dated log file and i'm going to run fsck after boston legal is done recording. do you have any other suggestions? |
| 02:40.17 | mcupples | That's not true at work. They .. I don't know, but they have a removable hard drive thingy. |
| 02:40.31 | Wyzard | mcupples: That's why we use Debian here and not Windows :-) |
| 02:40.35 | pickcoder | mcupples: I have machines that run Win2K 24/7 for over 3 years. Never crashed or needed reinstalling. |
| 02:41.01 | mcupples | Well, I'm picky and I get obsessive. :P |
| 02:41.16 | mcupples | In the back of my head I just KNOW something was installed into my registry that I can't get out. |
| 02:41.20 | Wyzard | If you like reinstalling and plan to do it often anyway, try a bunch of distros |
| 02:41.32 | Wyzard | Install a different one each time, use it for a few months to get a feel for it, and then switch to something else |
| 02:41.35 | mcupples | Ya, I tried Core 5, Suse 10 and Ubuntu. :P |
| 02:41.41 | mcupples | So far, anyway. |
| 02:42.02 | pickcoder | jasonwc: at this point, that's about all you can do. If it crashes again, atleast you'll have a memory log to look back on. |
| 02:42.05 | mcupples | I need Windows for work, though, so I have to keep using that. :) We do web design, and since everyone uses IE, we need to test in it. |
| 02:42.19 | Wyzard | nothing wrong with that |
| 02:42.46 | Wyzard | If that's all you need Windows for, btw, and you don't mind spending an extra $200, you can run Windows within VMware so you don't have to dual-boot |
| 02:42.48 | mcupples | I'd love to make a complete switch, I'm just getting some feeling that somewhere along the line there'll be some win only program that I need. :P |
| 02:43.16 | mcupples | I don't follow the price tag you put up, but I have heard of vmware. But don't you need a box to connect to for that? |
| 02:43.36 | abrotman | aw hell .. if that's all you really use it for .. use qemu or somehting |
| 02:43.50 | mcupples | Qemu. I'll google it. Thanks. |
| 02:43.52 | Wyzard | well, VMware Server is free of charge |
| 02:43.56 | Wyzard | VMware Workstation is $200 USD |
| 02:44.06 | Wyzard | but either one can be used locally |
| 02:44.07 | mcupples | Ah. |
| 02:44.10 | Wyzard | you don't need a separate server computer |
| 02:44.26 | Wyzard | (Workstation can *only* be used locally) |
| 02:44.28 | mcupples | Well, we use some ltsps at work running off one server. |
| 02:45.00 | Wyzard | In that case you could run the VMware client on the thin clients, and VMware Server on a server machine somewhere |
| 02:45.11 | mcupples | Like... the server. :) |
| 02:45.22 | Wyzard | if it has enough RAM, sure |
| 02:45.31 | jasonwc | pickcoder: thanks for your help |
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| 02:45.58 | mcupples | That would be pretty neat. I know that we have an old p3 in the back that runs windows that I have seen one of our mac guys use remotely. I assume that's vmware. |
| 02:46.05 | mcupples | white/black icon in the system tray? |
| 02:46.37 | Wyzard | probably VNC |
| 02:46.44 | mcupples | Yeah, that is it. |
| 02:46.48 | devicenull | GL/glxint.h is needed by a program I'm compiling.. . any suggestions for packages? |
| 02:46.51 | mcupples | Vs confused me. |
| 02:46.56 | mcupples | But I heard VNC before. |
| 02:47.15 | mcupples | So with vmware you don't even need to have a legit copy of windows? |
| 02:47.24 | devicenull | yes you do |
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| 02:47.40 | Guerin | and a legit copy of vmware, too |
| 02:47.49 | Guerin | since it's also proprietaryware |
| 02:48.18 | mcupples | So what's the downside to vmware? |
| 02:48.20 | Wyzard | VMware literally gives you a computer in a window |
| 02:48.30 | Wyzard | You click the "on" button and you see a BIOS POST screen, all in a window |
| 02:48.31 | mcupples | Like remote desktop, I guess. |
| 02:53.33 | mcupples | Neat. |
| 02:53.33 | Wyzard | with its own network adapter with a unique MAC address |
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| 02:53.33 | Wyzard | virtual CD-ROM drive that can be a passthrough to a real CD-ROM drive, or you can attach it to an iso file |
| 02:53.33 | Wyzard | With VNC you have to have a real computer that just sits there and runs Windows |
| 02:53.33 | mcupples | Cool, so you can run Win2k3 Server off a linux box? |
| 02:53.33 | Wyzard | With VMware the Windows box can be a process on the Linux box |
| 02:53.34 | Wyzard | yep |
| 02:53.34 | Wyzard | I've done that |
| 02:53.34 | Wyzard | and played games on it, in fact |
| 02:53.34 | Wyzard | (3D acceleration is pretty much a no-go in VMware, but 2D is fine) |
| 02:53.34 | mcupples | That's pretty neat. Games and IE are pretty much the only thing I use Windows for. :( |
| 02:53.34 | mcupples | Aw. |
| 02:53.34 | oxyride | in the one of ten speed? |
| 02:53.34 | mcupples | So I'd still need a Win partition for Oblivion? |
| 02:53.34 | Wyzard | yeah, you won't be playing Quake4 or anything in VMware |
| 02:53.34 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 02:53.34 | Guerin | mcupples: the downside is that it's non-free, it breaks some things quite randomly, and any form of emulation entails a performance hit |
| 02:53.34 | Wyzard | I haven't seen it break things, in the several years I've been using it |
| 02:53.34 | mcupples | So if you have a spare box, would VNC be more apt? |
| 02:53.34 | Wyzard | non-free is a valid concern |
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| 02:53.34 | devicenull | Guerin, it's free price-wise, not code wise |
| 02:53.34 | mcupples | Heh. |
| 02:53.34 | Wyzard | performance is a valid concern too, but people always suggest qemu as an alternative to VMware, and afaik that has worse performance since it emulates the processor |
| 02:53.35 | Guerin | devicenull: are you sure? |
| 02:53.35 | devicenull | I'm running VMWare server legit |
| 02:53.35 | devicenull | for free. |
| 02:53.35 | mcupples | Guerin got snaked. On a plane. |
| 02:53.35 | Wyzard | VMware doesn't emulate the processor, so it's x86-only but CPU-bound stuff runs at full speed |
| 02:53.35 | oxyride | well, as usual, is VMware still alive? |
| 02:53.35 | Guerin | devicenull: the evaluation? |
| 02:53.35 | Wyzard | Guerin: VMware Workstation is $200 USD, but VMware Server is free of charge |
| 02:53.35 | devicenull | Guerin, no, the entire thing |
| 02:53.35 | Guerin | oh, i see. It's a client/server thing. |
| 02:53.35 | devicenull | no |
| 02:53.35 | devicenull | there's no real difference between workstation/server |
| 02:53.36 | Wyzard | no, Workstation is local-only, standalone |
| 02:53.36 | devicenull | well yea |
| 02:53.36 | Wyzard | It has more advanced features for snapshots and stuff |
| 02:53.36 | mcupples | That's pretty neat. What's a decent IDE for jsp? |
| 02:53.36 | abrotman | vi |
| 02:53.36 | oxyride | it's interesting to run $200 VMware on the $199 PC |
| 02:53.36 | Wyzard | Server is free of charge and includes both the server and the client for connecting to VMs remotely |
| 02:53.36 | oxyride | ironic |
| 02:53.36 | mcupples | We use scite now. It seems okay, but I'd prefer something more like notepad++, as for vi, is it really that much better? |
| 02:53.49 | Wyzard | mcupples: Eclipse is nice for Java stuff in general, though I don't have JSP experience myself |
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| 02:54.09 | mcupples | I hear that, but it's a bit of a hog. |
| 02:54.09 | anisX | w00t! |
| 02:54.20 | Wyzard | a bit, yeah |
| 02:54.21 | mcupples | At least on my machine. |
| 02:54.21 | anisX | i have something to ask , how to start sendmail / smtp in sarge 3.1 ? |
| 02:54.34 | Wyzard | I upgraded my old laptop from 128MB to 384 because Eclipse sucked on 128 |
| 02:54.36 | Guerin | anisX: /etc/init.d/exim* start |
| 02:55.06 | oxyride | 384M is too little |
| 02:55.07 | mcupples | Yeah, it's pretty nuts. I heard good things about bluefish, but that seemed like a hog too. |
| 02:55.41 | Guerin | what's wrong with vi[m] or emacs? |
| 02:55.51 | oxyride | what? |
| 02:56.00 | Guerin | at least the skills you learn on those are portable to other situations |
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| 02:56.02 | mcupples | The only thing I like about macs is textmate. It's a really nice editor. Nothing is wrong with them - I just don't know how to use them and haven't really been told why they're better. |
| 02:56.27 | Guerin | whereas if you sink a lot of time into learning one editor per programming/scripting language, you're going to be wasting an awful lot of time |
| 02:56.28 | mcupples | I tend to shy away to pico or nano if I have to command line it. |
| 02:56.43 | oxyride | nano +1 |
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| 02:56.46 | mcupples | Not so, notepad++ does pretty much every language. |
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| 02:57.01 | Guerin | mcupples: well, of course, anyeditor CAN do any language |
| 02:57.24 | abrotman | notepad! |
| 02:57.34 | mcupples | Well, notepad++ has the cool syntax highlighting for almost every language. :) |
| 02:57.38 | Guerin | mcupples: but some are clearly much better than others - for instance, if I have to write any xml without emacs' nxml-mode, I start having to strangle kittens |
| 02:58.01 | mcupples | I thought emacs was command line only. |
| 02:58.13 | Guerin | mcupples: hell no. |
| 02:58.15 | pipeline | mcupples: ..... |
| 02:58.24 | pipeline | mcupples: Emacs was one of the earliest X applications. |
| 02:58.27 | Guerin | it's been a gui since there were guis |
| 02:58.31 | pipeline | mcupples: Emacs has been ported to window systems that don't even exist anymore. |
| 02:58.33 | mcupples | Shows how much I know. |
| 02:58.45 | pipeline | mcupples: However, if you intend to use emacs, you really want emacs-multi-tty |
| 02:58.46 | mcupples | I told you guys I only use this stuff at work. |
| 02:58.57 | pipeline | mcupples: old school emacs required you to use either X or tty, but not both at the same time :P |
| 02:59.02 | anisX | Guerin, thanks |
| 02:59.10 | mcupples | Not even sure what tty is. |
| 02:59.12 | pipeline | Guerin: no you shouldn't. GTK2 + multi-tty = boom. |
| 02:59.18 | pipeline | mcupples: Not-X11. |
| 02:59.22 | pipeline | mcupples: What you get inside an xterm. |
| 02:59.22 | Guerin | pipeline: oh. Multi-tty is my life. |
| 02:59.28 | Wyzard | Guerin: That's in emacs-snapshot in Debian |
| 02:59.30 | pipeline | Guerin: :\ |
| 02:59.39 | pipeline | Wyzard: Ah, but which is more important: GTK2, or multi-tty? |
| 02:59.42 | Guerin | Wyzard: is it shiny, or just broken? |
| 02:59.47 | oxyride | multi-tty? |
| 02:59.48 | pipeline | Guerin: Well, it is very shiny. |
| 02:59.56 | Wyzard | It works fine for me |
| 03:00.12 | Guerin | oxyride: being able to run multiple emacs clients on one emacs backend |
| 03:00.14 | pipeline | oxyride: The best thing since booze, bitches, and tobacco. http://lorentey.hu/project/emacs.html.en |
| 03:00.22 | Wyzard | I don't do crazy advanced stuff involving writing my own custom elisp code |
| 03:00.28 | Wyzard | but for programming I've seen no problems with it |
| 03:00.49 | Wyzard | pipeline: What's so essential about multi-tty? |
| 03:00.59 | Guerin | Wyzard: read teh link |
| 03:00.59 | pipeline | Wyzard: Headless emacs preserving state + clients to and from anywhere. |
| 03:01.00 | oxyride | why not one tty one emacs? o.o |
| 03:01.17 | pipeline | oxyride, Wyzard : It's quite useful to be able to connect to your running emacs session from anywhere using anything :P |
| 03:01.20 | Guerin | oxyride: resource duplication |
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| 03:01.33 | Wyzard | On the rare occasions when I want to see an emacs session I've already started on another computer, I use VNC |
| 03:01.33 | Guerin | oxyride: among other things. |
| 03:01.35 | pipeline | oxyride, Wyzard : Emacs tends to build up a lot of, uh, "state" in the way things are. |
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| 03:01.42 | pipeline | Wyzard: You sicken me. VNC is disgusting. |
| 03:01.57 | Wyzard | for occasional usage it's fine |
| 03:02.12 | pipeline | Wyzard: emacs-multi-tty makes it possible to have emacs clients on remote X displays, on remote ttys, whatever. And there's nothing complicated. You just install it, add start-server to your emacs init.el, and run emacsclient normally. |
| 03:02.13 | Wyzard | and I don't really build up lots of "state" in emacs |
| 03:02.19 | pipeline | I don't see how not |
| 03:02.42 | Wyzard | I have a few files open and I have to re-open them if I quit and relaunch it |
| 03:02.46 | Wyzard | That's no big deal |
| 03:03.02 | Guerin | yeah |
| 03:03.03 | Guerin | see |
| 03:03.07 | Guerin | i did used to live in emacs |
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| 03:03.15 | Guerin | when I was doing a lot of documentation and such |
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| 03:03.33 | De_Mon | !editor war |
| 03:03.33 | dpkg | hmm... editor war is when people start talking all sorts of emotional bullshit while trying to prove superiority of the editor of their choice |
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| 03:03.38 | Wyzard | I don't read my mail in it, or manage my files in it, or IRC with it, or any of the other kitchen-sink things people do with emacs |
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| 03:03.56 | Guerin | Wyzard: no, neither ... just typing |
| 03:03.56 | Wyzard | That's why I run it in X -- so that I can easily run it concurrently with other things like my mail client and my IRC client |
| 03:03.59 | De_Mon | Wyzard I bet you surf the internet in it though |
| 03:04.03 | Wyzard | nope |
| 03:04.11 | mcupples | In what/ |
| 03:04.12 | Guerin | recently I've forgotten all my TeX, so have been making do with openofirice.org |
| 03:04.15 | mcupples | I was in the bathroom. |
| 03:04.22 | De_Mon | Wyzard screen is like X windows for the console |
| 03:04.24 | Wyzard | mcupples: We're talking about emacs |
| 03:04.29 | Guerin | which is a bit of a boar, but still an improvement on 2003 |
| 03:04.34 | FaithX | I know I should know the answer to this but how do I set system-wide variables? |
| 03:04.36 | mcupples | You can surf the web in emacs? |
| 03:04.41 | pipeline | mcupples: Badly. |
| 03:04.49 | Wyzard | De_Mon: yes, only without the 1600x1200 resolution and 3D acceleration |
| 03:04.53 | Guerin | it's easy to do a lot of things badly in emacs |
| 03:04.57 | mcupples | Is that like lynx but crappy? |
| 03:04.58 | pipeline | Wyzard: I don't do anything but program in emacs, either. |
| 03:05.10 | pipeline | mcupples: Well, it's better than lynx. But yes, it sucks. |
| 03:05.27 | De_Mon | Wyzard pift since when did you need 1600x1200 to type, use irc and read email! |
| 03:05.51 | Guerin | but I;m doing a masters thesis next year, and I'll be damned if I'm trying to massage 50,000 words in openoffice |
| 03:05.57 | Guerin | i just don't trust it that much |
| 03:06.05 | nocti | is there an app like M$ movie maker? thanks |
| 03:06.14 | Guerin | nocti: MS movie maker is pretty similar |
| 03:06.30 | mcupples | Nice burn. |
| 03:06.31 | mcupples | :P |
| 03:06.33 | abrotman | kino? cinerela ? |
| 03:06.34 | Wyzard | Guerin: For something serious like a thesis, I'd say it's worth re-learning TeX :-) |
| 03:06.37 | De_Mon | wtf you said you use x to do Y I say you can do that just fine in Z and you give a bogus excuse and I'm the troll.. ok |
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| 03:06.42 | Guerin | Wyzard: i'm thinking that, too. |
| 03:06.46 | nocti | Guerin, similar to what? thanks |
| 03:06.49 | mcupples | So OOo is crappy? |
| 03:06.56 | Guerin | nocti: similar to M$ movie maker |
| 03:07.09 | mcupples | Again, nice burn. |
| 03:07.10 | Guerin | mcupples: no, oo.o is great - for what it is, which is a MS office clone |
| 03:07.15 | Wyzard | De_Mon: Are you seriously saying there's no point in using a GUI on a PC? |
| 03:07.21 | Guerin | mcupples: but if you don't like such things, which I don't, it's crappy |
| 03:07.28 | nocti | Guerin, ? no im looking for a linux app that's like m$ movie maker. |
| 03:07.34 | mcupples | I like office - once you turn off clippy. |
| 03:07.46 | oxyride | if you can do the same thing, why GUI? |
| 03:07.48 | mcupples | nocti: He's making fun of your M$. |
| 03:07.58 | nocti | oh ok :) |
| 03:07.59 | mcupples | You can't do the same thing. |
| 03:08.06 | Guerin | mcupples: clippy's just the tip of the evil meddling philosophy built into such things as 'productivity aids' |
| 03:08.25 | mcupples | Yeah, I turn them off asap. I freaking hate autoformat. |
| 03:08.26 | Wyzard | De_Mon: yes, I *could* read my mail and IRC and write code on a text console using screen, but I find it much more pleasant to do it on my high-resolution X desktop |
| 03:08.32 | Guerin | nocti: cinelerra is supposed to be barely usable |
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| 03:08.36 | Wyzard | De_Mon: Therefore, I use X and not screen |
| 03:08.43 | nocti | Guerin, ah |
| 03:09.00 | Guerin | but multimedia creation software is one area where free software lags WAY behind proprietary |
| 03:09.15 | Sjoerd- | hi, just a little question, is sendmail with the default debian package? Or does it need to be installed? |
| 03:09.33 | mcupples | Yeah - that's what I keep hearing. Also, the gimp sucks. :P |
| 03:09.33 | Guerin | the gimp doesn't suck, unless you're a professional graphic designer. |
| 03:09.34 | oxyride | ... |
| 03:09.38 | mcupples | Oh, if you have to ask it's probably not installed correctly or at all. :P |
| 03:09.42 | Wyzard | Sjoerd-: Exim is preferred over sendmail |
| 03:09.43 | Guerin | it still does FAR more than 90% of users will ever needs to do. |
| 03:09.58 | Sjoerd- | Wyzard: It has to do with a phpbb forum that doesn't send mail :) |
| 03:10.02 | De_Mon | Sjoerd- postfix is preferred over sendmail and Exim |
| 03:10.07 | EdLin | Sjoerd-: exim is the default MTA, if you want sendmail it's in Debian though. |
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| 03:10.23 | Wyzard | Sjoerd-: "exim is a drop-in replacement for sendmail/mailq/rsmtp" |
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| 03:10.33 | Wyzard | Sjoerd-: You don't need sendmail |
| 03:10.53 | adrenaline | Ok anybody wanna talk me into debian from slackware? |
| 03:10.54 | mcupples | Why not? |
| 03:11.02 | Sjoerd- | anisX :) |
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| 03:11.14 | De_Mon | adrenaline do you want to be talked into debian? |
| 03:11.15 | conviction9 | hi all |
| 03:11.20 | jasonwc | when the system ran fsck on bootup it said it found unexpected inconsistencies in two partitions and said to manually run fsck |
| 03:11.22 | Guerin | adrenaline: not much to it. Just forget about building stuff from source and learn to use apt |
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| 03:11.31 | adrenaline | maybe have any pros and cons |
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| 03:11.39 | adrenaline | stable or unstable? |
| 03:11.40 | Yggdrasil | hi can somone tell me if theres a a command like lspci for pcmcia cardslots |
| 03:11.48 | Guerin | adrenaline: start with stabler |
| 03:11.53 | Guerin | s/r// |
| 03:12.02 | gravity | It depends on what you want |
| 03:12.03 | FaithX | adrenaline: packages and package management |
| 03:12.04 | De_Mon | pcmciautils? |
| 03:12.06 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: For 16-bit PCMCIA, no, I don't think so -- those are like ISA cards, very primitive |
| 03:12.12 | mcupples | Hey Wyz, got any chat clients? This java client is getting pretty spammy. |
| 03:12.15 | Yggdrasil | ahh intersteing |
| 03:12.29 | adrenaline | what about TV cards I have a tv card I would like to use debian support that? |
| 03:12.30 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: For 32-bit CardBus cards (which use the same type of slot so people often call them PCMCIA too), they show up in lspci |
| 03:12.31 | Yggdrasil | jus dmesg aand syslog then huh. |
| 03:12.45 | Yggdrasil | yea these arent showing up there.. |
| 03:12.45 | mcupples | dmesg lol |
| 03:12.45 | FaithX | adrenaline: if that doesn't do it for you then debian is probably not for you. |
| 03:12.58 | adrenaline | myth? |
| 03:12.59 | Wyzard | mcupples: I use xchat |
| 03:13.01 | EdLin | !lol |
| 03:13.02 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 03:13.10 | mcupples | That's the joke. |
| 03:13.12 | adrenaline | FaithX, if what doesn't do it for me? |
| 03:13.14 | FaithX | adrenaline: the question is linux / tv card |
| 03:13.16 | mcupples | lolllllkkkk |
| 03:13.18 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: How old is the card? (and/or what is it?) |
| 03:13.28 | oxyride | bwahahahaha |
| 03:13.28 | FaithX | adrenaline: packages and package management |
| 03:13.29 | EdLin | adrenaline: (don't (speak :with :a) lithp) |
| 03:13.37 | adrenaline | haha |
| 03:13.50 | Guerin | if it's a good tv card, it'll work. if it's shit, it won't. |
| 03:13.59 | adrenaline | Nice |
| 03:14.02 | mcupples | That's the spirit. |
| 03:14.05 | adrenaline | I have both actually |
| 03:14.17 | adrenaline | I have a haupage and a connexant |
| 03:14.23 | EdLin | Guerin: my "WinTV" Happaugue PCI tv tuner works perfectly with tvtime |
| 03:14.23 | Guerin | haupage = good |
| 03:14.26 | Guerin | conexant = shit |
| 03:14.29 | adrenaline | nice |
| 03:14.31 | jasonwc | can i run a file system check on an xfs partition? |
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| 03:14.41 | Guerin | yeah, hauppage make good chipsets |
| 03:14.51 | werdna__ | Does anyone know how to turn thier computer into a alarm clock? |
| 03:15.02 | Guerin | werdna__: man at |
| 03:15.02 | werdna__ | a/an |
| 03:15.02 | Wyzard | jasonwc: of course |
| 03:15.02 | adrenaline | Guarin Stable then? |
| 03:15.14 | jasonwc | Wyzard: how do i do so? |
| 03:15.23 | tuv | werdna_, cron |
| 03:15.23 | Wyzard | jasonwc: fsck.xfs |
| 03:15.23 | tuv | werdna_, man crontab |
| 03:15.24 | Yggdrasil | wyzard its pretty old orinoco or a prism1 wireless card |
| 03:15.33 | adrenaline | One last question IF I dl the latest now and install can I upgrade to etch or will I have to reinstall |
| 03:15.40 | Yggdrasil | im just digging into upgrading its firmware so i wanted to get the specifics on it |
| 03:15.42 | Guerin | adrenaline: start with stable. You might want the new shinies in testing. Unstable is for people who like to go to work with no shirt on in winter to prove how tough they are. |
| 03:15.47 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: hmm, might actually be PCMCIA then |
| 03:15.56 | Yggdrasil | yea im pretty sure it is |
| 03:16.09 | Guerin | adrenaline: you can upgrade. Install once, run forever is the debian method. |
| 03:16.15 | adrenaline | Guerin, Thanks I will dl now |
| 03:16.23 | adrenaline | Thanks FaithX |
| 03:16.27 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: There seems to be a "lspcmcia" command in the pcmciautils package (the successor to pcmcia-cs) |
| 03:16.30 | tuv | adrenaline, you don't need the cd to upgrade |
| 03:16.37 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: That might work, but I don't have any PCMCIA cards here so I can't test it |
| 03:16.37 | Yggdrasil | ill try it |
| 03:16.40 | adrenaline | nice tub |
| 03:16.43 | adrenaline | tuv |
| 03:16.49 | adrenaline | fat fingers lol |
| 03:16.57 | adrenaline | Thanks for the help |
| 03:16.58 | oxyride | O.o |
| 03:17.04 | Yggdrasil | hmm. |
| 03:17.14 | Yggdrasil | well ive got some pretty good info off of the dmesg |
| 03:17.21 | Yggdrasil | thanks wyz |
| 03:17.24 | tuv | adrenaline, i'd expect extra letters with fat fingers, not wrong ones :) |
| 03:17.42 | jasonwc | Wyzard: i did "fsck.xfs /dev/mapper/big-video1" and it did nothing |
| 03:17.56 | jasonwc | Wyzard: i also tried fsck.xfs -a to no avail. does it work with lvm partitions? |
| 03:18.05 | oxyride | all my fingers are trumbs |
| 03:18.43 | Wyzard | jasonwc: It only cares about the contents of the device, not how the device was established (LVM, RAID, plain partition, etc.) |
| 03:19.08 | Wyzard | jasonwc: btw, I stopped using XFS on LVM after discovering that XFS filesystems can't be shrunk... which severely limits the flexibility of LVM |
| 03:19.11 | adrenaline | Sorry tuv you are my favorite never forget that |
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| 03:19.31 | jasonwc | Wyzard: so, am i doing something wrong? it doesn't give an error. it just doesn't do anything. |
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| 03:19.39 | Wyzard | jasonwc: ah... I forgot, you want to run xfs_repair |
| 03:19.48 | Wyzard | jasonwc: fsck.xfs is a do-nothing stub |
| 03:20.18 | jasonwc | ok, that's working |
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| 03:20.33 | jasonwc | it's several hundred gigs so it might take a while |
| 03:20.36 | jasonwc | i've never run fsck on it |
| 03:20.50 | adrenaline | downloading netinstall soon I will be one of you |
| 03:20.57 | Wyzard | The other reason I stopped using XFS is that it has the nasty habit of losing data after a crash |
| 03:20.59 | nvz | heh |
| 03:21.12 | Wyzard | Files that had been recently modified would (after the restart) appear to be full of zeros |
| 03:21.16 | oxyride | heh, welcome to the .... |
| 03:21.20 | jasonwc | Wyzard: it's done and it didn't show any errors |
| 03:21.24 | Wyzard | ok |
| 03:21.26 | abrotman | Wyzard: read the doc at linuxmafia about that |
| 03:21.27 | Vasistha | evenin' all... so, I'm trying to figure out how to make debian recognize this built-in ethernet controller... at the moment, it's assigning it IRQ 0, which just doesn't work. However, a SLAX live CD gives it IRQ 22, and the thing is functional. any ideas? |
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| 03:21.40 | nvz | Wyzard: yeah xfs is good about getting rid of data. |
| 03:21.41 | jasonwc | Wyzard: i'm using it for mythtv. performance was more important than data loss since i don't really care about data retention for tv shows |
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| 03:21.53 | jasonwc | Wyzard: the mysql db and backups are on an ext3 partition |
| 03:21.57 | Wyzard | ok |
| 03:22.02 | adrenaline | Hey does the powerpc version go on my mac? |
| 03:22.05 | abrotman | Vasistha: are you sure your kernel even supports it ? |
| 03:22.15 | Wyzard | adrenaline: Unless it's one of the new x86 macs, yes |
| 03:22.17 | jasonwc | xfs is the fastest at deleting massive files |
| 03:22.23 | jasonwc | since an hour tv show is 3.2 GB |
| 03:22.25 | adrenaline | nice Wyzard |
| 03:22.26 | Vasistha | abrotman: no, I'm not at all sure. I've been using 2.4.27 .. perhaps I should try 2.6.8 |
| 03:22.28 | adrenaline | that rocks |
| 03:22.36 | abrotman | maybe |
| 03:22.48 | Vasistha | abrotman: debian does load the sis900 module on boot, though. |
| 03:22.55 | abrotman | lies! |
| 03:22.56 | adrenaline | Ya I have a powerbook G4 |
| 03:23.05 | Wyzard | should work |
| 03:23.09 | adrenaline | nice |
| 03:23.11 | oxyride | for many years? |
| 03:23.17 | Wyzard | I've successfully installed Debian on an ibook once, a few years ago |
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| 03:23.28 | adrenaline | I will keep it a mac for now though I need to burn my I386 iso |
| 03:23.42 | grendal_prime | is there any way to tell when something is scheduled to move form testing into stable? |
| 03:23.56 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: only when a new stable release is made |
| 03:24.04 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: etch is scheduled to be released in December |
| 03:24.20 | grendal_prime | realy, hmm |
| 03:24.30 | Wyzard | packages don't move piecemeal into stable |
| 03:24.35 | Wyzard | (aside from security updates) |
| 03:24.36 | grendal_prime | im looking at slony1, |
| 03:24.46 | Wyzard | http://www.backports.org/ |
| 03:24.57 | grendal_prime | postgresql 8.1. they requre the ... |
| 03:25.03 | Wyzard | go there |
| 03:25.05 | grendal_prime | slony1 is not backported |
| 03:25.11 | Wyzard | oh |
| 03:25.19 | Wyzard | oh well |
| 03:25.19 | grendal_prime | i have 8.1 from backports |
| 03:25.39 | Wyzard | You can search the web and see if maybe someone else has made an unofficial backport |
| 03:25.45 | Wyzard | make one yourself if you have the skills for that |
| 03:25.49 | grendal_prime | but slony1 requrires the libc6 from etch |
| 03:25.52 | Wyzard | upgrade to etch if it's not a production server |
| 03:25.58 | Wyzard | or just wait until December |
| 03:26.05 | grendal_prime | well it is a production server.. |
| 03:26.12 | grendal_prime | there are several of them actually |
| 03:26.31 | grendal_prime | hmmm |
| 03:26.44 | Wyzard | then it's best to just wait until etch is released |
| 03:26.50 | Wyzard | !tell grendal_prime about simple sid backport |
| 03:26.54 | grendal_prime | ya i think i will take a test machine and just upgrade it to testing and see how well this works.. |
| 03:26.57 | Wyzard | You could try that |
| 03:27.07 | Wyzard | but if it could be done that easily, it'd probably be on backports already |
| 03:27.15 | grendal_prime | i just tried the backporting of this..ya... |
| 03:27.36 | Wyzard | Put etch on a test box, sure... but hold off on the production servers until etch is released |
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| 03:27.52 | grendal_prime | ya. |
| 03:28.06 | Wyzard | Remind your higher-ups that tried-and-true is more important than latest-and-greatest when dealing with mission-critical databases :-) |
| 03:28.19 | grendal_prime | i have a few pieces of shit machines around i can test with..then december we go full blown replication. |
| 03:28.43 | grendal_prime | i am the hire up on this project hahaha |
| 03:28.48 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 03:29.09 | etzerd | hello all |
| 03:29.20 | grendal_prime | i have worked with sarge when it was in testing. |
| 03:29.33 | etzerd | when the new version etch will be out if anyone know? |
| 03:29.38 | Wyzard | December |
| 03:29.55 | etzerd | Thanks Wyzard |
| 03:29.59 | jfro | hey, i'm trying to figure out why i'm not resolving from my local dns properly, i just updated /etc/resolv.conf to include itself. but only nslookup works, telnet, ping, etc. still think there's no host |
| 03:30.16 | oxyride | what's the next codename after etch? |
| 03:30.33 | jfro | anybody have an idea? |
| 03:30.39 | Wyzard | dunno if one's been chosen yet |
| 03:30.40 | nvz | oxyride: etch hasnt even released yet.. thats not been decided |
| 03:30.47 | oxyride | ha |
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| 03:32.25 | Wyzard | jfro: Running ping under strace might be informative, to see if it's reading resolv.conf properly and whether it's trying (and maybe failing for some reason?) to connect to the local DNS |
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| 03:33.43 | jfro | strace shows it opens and reads resolve.conf |
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| 03:34.10 | jfro | hmm, wonder what nsswitch.conf is |
| 03:34.36 | Wyzard | That shouldn't need to be modified |
| 03:34.41 | jfro | ok |
| 03:34.51 | devicenull | [23:03] [devicenull] I810: Failed to load module "sli164" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 03:34.51 | devicenull | [23:03] [devicenull] I810: Failed to load module "ch7xxx" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 03:34.56 | jfro | nslookup is failing now too |
| 03:34.56 | devicenull | I get that when I try to start X |
| 03:34.57 | jfro | weird |
| 03:34.59 | devicenull | any suggestions? |
| 03:35.08 | Wyzard | If you look in there and see "hosts: files dns", that's what tells the resolver to check /etc/hosts first, then DNS via /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:35.25 | jfro | it's asking router now, even tho i have itself in resovlve |
| 03:35.27 | jfro | ah yeah |
| 03:35.43 | trelane | anyone care to point me to a reasonably advanced primer on debian networking? (think NAT targeting a bridge interface created with brctl) |
| 03:35.48 | jfro | heh, removed router |
| 03:35.51 | Wyzard | (btw, if you install libnss-mdns and change that line to "hosts: files mdns dns", you'll be able to resolve ".local" names advertised on the network by Apple Bonjour or by Linux systems running Avahi |
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| 03:35.59 | jfro | that cleared things up |
| 03:36.01 | lam7z | When I run the command: joy2key - dev /dev/js0 happens the following one: Must specify target! What I made of wrong? |
| 03:36.13 | jfro | since local dns will forwards requests it doesn't know onto next dns server rigt? |
| 03:36.32 | Wyzard | trelane: NAT shouldn't care whether the interface is a bridge or not |
| 03:36.41 | Wyzard | jfro: Only if it's configured to do so |
| 03:36.42 | trelane | right but I need to set it up to work on boot |
| 03:36.52 | Wyzard | jfro: You might be interested in the "resolvconf" package |
| 03:36.52 | jfro | think it is |
| 03:36.55 | jfro | cuz i pinged yahoo |
| 03:37.02 | trelane | so I need a bridge I need to hit ipv4forward thing in /proc etc |
| 03:37.23 | Wyzard | jfro: If you have bind installed locally, it'll automatically set up BIND to use the nameservers from your DHCP lease or wherever, and /etc/resolv.conf to use the local BIND first |
| 03:37.34 | jfro | oh nice |
| 03:37.44 | lam7z | When I run the command: joy2key - dev /dev/js0 happens the following one: Must specify target! What I made of wrong? |
| 03:37.57 | Wyzard | trelane: /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz tells you how to set up bridges in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:38.14 | Wyzard | trelane: That way they come up automatically at boot time |
| 03:38.14 | trelane | Wyzard, perfect |
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| 03:39.03 | vick | What's the package name that rm is in ? |
| 03:39.17 | grendal_prime | i just went out and fired up one of those machines on the rack..hehehe i had already set it up with slony1 and forgot about it hahahah |
| 03:39.22 | Wyzard | lol |
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| 03:39.29 | Wyzard | vick: coreutils |
| 03:39.43 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: where from? |
| 03:39.52 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 03:39.55 | Wyzard | if backports doesn't have it |
| 03:39.59 | Wyzard | where'd you get the slony1 package from? |
| 03:40.05 | grendal_prime | in the garage...no no it has etch on it.. |
| 03:40.13 | grendal_prime | its a p3500 or something like that |
| 03:40.14 | Wyzard | oh, ok, not one of the production servers |
| 03:40.19 | grendal_prime | i have a stack of thse things |
| 03:40.53 | grendal_prime | i was going to cluster them together untell i realized i could spend about 500 bucks and get one machine that was twice as fast. |
| 03:41.03 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 03:41.34 | vick | Wyzard: Are you sure ? |
| 03:41.39 | Wyzard | yep |
| 03:41.53 | vick | the reason i am asking because rm is segfaulting in debian 'unstable' |
| 03:41.56 | grendal_prime | now i use them to test possible servers...like jabber implimentations and shit like that...i figer if i can get them to run...while testing on a pent 3 500 then they should work fine with a seriouse piece of hardware attached |
| 03:42.13 | Wyzard | vick: I'm running unstable and I can rm things just fine |
| 03:42.33 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: not a bad idea |
| 03:42.37 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: I use VMware for that sort of thing |
| 03:42.54 | grendal_prime | ya, i use qemu to run some things. |
| 03:42.54 | Wyzard | though I don't run any "real" servers, just stuff on my home network |
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| 03:43.58 | grendal_prime | one company im working for is looking into vming several boxes for production. looks like a seriouse mistake to me...they are already haveing performance problems. |
| 03:44.09 | oxyride | is a "fake" server safer? |
| 03:44.30 | grendal_prime | oxyride, they are all windows boxes...ya good question oxyride |
| 03:44.40 | Wyzard | yeah, don't use VMs when the machines can't handle the load of running a single OS |
| 03:45.00 | grendal_prime | i dont get it..my thinking is that it will croak and they will scrap it |
| 03:45.04 | jfro | wee |
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| 03:45.07 | jfro | Wyzard: thanks |
| 03:45.23 | vick | Wyzard: i am getting segfault on rm, any ideas why ? |
| 03:45.26 | grendal_prime | but then again i dont throughly understand what they are doing with it |
| 03:45.37 | grendal_prime | it might make compleate sense |
| 03:45.39 | Wyzard | vick: nope... run it under strace and see what it was trying to do |
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| 03:45.46 | iNick | dang it -- i missed it! |
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| 03:45.50 | vick | Wyzard: strace is segfaulting also |
| 03:46.01 | Wyzard | sounds like your whole system is fairly broken |
| 03:46.04 | vick | Wyzard: is there an alternative to strace ? |
| 03:46.09 | oxyride | is it possible to run more than one level VMware on one PC? |
| 03:46.09 | liable | vick: eek, try running memtest |
| 03:46.18 | iNick | the last screen from a 3.1r3 install gave me the program needed to reenter the system installation system -- and i missed it by hitting enter too fast, what is it? i'm brand new to debian. |
| 03:46.23 | Wyzard | Did you install anything unusual recently? |
| 03:46.24 | CompWizrd | oxyride: more than one session? sure |
| 03:46.26 | oxyride | egypcio: vmware in vmware |
| 03:46.32 | Wyzard | oxyride: no |
| 03:46.38 | oxyride | too bad |
| 03:46.49 | liable | iNick: prolly base-config |
| 03:46.51 | Wyzard | It might be possible to run VMware in Xen, though |
| 03:46.54 | oxyride | it's more safer |
| 03:46.54 | Wyzard | I'm not sure about that |
| 03:46.58 | iNick | liable, thx |
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| 03:47.06 | grendal_prime | ya but you still have to get liscensing for all the winblows boxes...its kina a scam really when you think about it..especially now that hardware is so frigging cheep |
| 03:47.10 | zambaroo | hi guys |
| 03:47.13 | zambaroo | hey guys, is there an easy way to clone an lvm lun? |
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| 03:47.25 | Wyzard | You mean clone a logical volume? |
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| 03:47.32 | zambaroo | Wyzard, yessir |
| 03:47.32 | oxyride | I wish vmware in wmware.... in vmware |
| 03:47.33 | vick | liable: what's the package name ? |
| 03:47.52 | Wyzard | zambaroo: easy... make a new LV with the same number of extents as the old one, and dd the old one to the new one |
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| 03:48.14 | Wyzard | zambaroo: though depending on what it is you're trying to do, you might be more interested in LVM snapshots |
| 03:48.20 | grendal_prime | i use partimage to duplicate entire partions.. |
| 03:48.21 | liable | vick: memtest86 |
| 03:48.29 | grendal_prime | that app rocks man |
| 03:48.35 | vick | liable: stty segfaulted |
| 03:48.40 | zambaroo | Wyzard, lvcreate -Lsamesize -nMyname mygroup and then just dd if=old_lun of=new_lun? |
| 03:48.40 | oxyride | if you run 99 vmware on one PC, you got 99x security |
| 03:48.41 | liable | vick: dunno if you'll be able to install it from the sounds of things though |
| 03:48.41 | vick | heh. |
| 03:48.42 | poopybutt | anybody know if there is a youtube search engine available for firefox? |
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| 03:48.55 | liable | vick: its available on most rescue cd's |
| 03:49.13 | zambaroo | Wyzard, i have a xen environment, lvm volumes are dished out per server, i just want to clone one really fast. |
| 03:49.19 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: sort of... the target partition has to be at least as big as the source, and if it's bigger, the extra space is wasted unless you run a filesystem resizer |
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| 03:49.44 | iNick | and how do you configure ethernet w/ the brand new base install of 3.1r3? |
| 03:50.06 | Wyzard | zambaroo: If you want a completely-independent writable copy of an LV, you have to copy all the data, and that'll take awhile if the LV is big |
| 03:50.19 | zambaroo | Wyzard, nah, 4gb. |
| 03:50.32 | Wyzard | zambaroo: Creating the new LV is fast, but you can't really avoid the time it takes to copy the data |
| 03:50.56 | liable | iNick: it should have auto detected it during install, otherwise you might need to find out what driver the card needs (or set ip manually if your router doesnt do dhcp) |
| 03:50.57 | SeanTater | I want x Includes -- where do I get them? |
| 03:51.11 | Wyzard | zambaroo: apt-get install x-dev |
| 03:51.15 | zambaroo | Wyzard, understood, thank you. |
| 03:51.22 | zambaroo | Wyzard, x-dev? for? |
| 03:51.25 | iNick | liable: i'm testing it to see different reations, i purposely unplugged the NIC during install. |
| 03:51.27 | Wyzard | oops |
| 03:51.32 | Wyzard | SeanTater: apt-get install x-dev |
| 03:51.37 | SeanTater | Wyzard: thanks! |
| 03:51.38 | oxyride | ... |
| 03:51.38 | liable | iNick: try ifup eth0 |
| 03:51.39 | grendal_prime | Wyzard, ya, well actaully my experience with it is that if the partion is not exactly the same size it flat out wont work...but im sure there is a way to put it onto a partion that is larger than it came from...but dude i hade 32 servers i had to build some time back. i built one (fkn windows tood 4 hours to build) and then copied it and then reinstalled on the other 31. it was so fast i was done the next day. gigabit network. took 8 min to write e |
| 03:51.40 | grendal_prime | ach new one to disk |
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| 03:52.03 | liable | iNick: or if not, ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient eth0 |
| 03:52.08 | iNick | liable: will that then try it every boot afterwords, automatically? |
| 03:52.08 | zambaroo | oh |
| 03:52.09 | zambaroo | :) |
| 03:52.11 | iNick | the ifup |
| 03:52.18 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: larger should be fine as far as the filesystem is concerned, but if the OS in the partition is Windows then I wouldn't be too surprised if that got confused |
| 03:52.56 | iNick | liable: ifconfig doesn't list any eth? entries. |
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| 03:53.37 | grendal_prime | i also did on whith a server after that that was a production server they wanted duped for testing purposes..it was a 30 gig drive, it took like 3 hours but it did it perfect..they were amazed. |
| 03:53.43 | liable | iNick: ifconfig -a |
| 03:54.05 | liable | iNick: your network configuration is in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 03:55.03 | grendal_prime | hey wyzard how different is libc6 in etch from the one in sarge? |
| 03:55.19 | Guerin | grendal_prime: |<-----------this different-------->| |
| 03:55.44 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: no idea |
| 03:55.48 | iNick | liable: after seeing eth0 listed in ifconfig -a, and marking it up will show it w/out the -a argument, ifup eth0 still complains: "ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0" |
| 03:55.56 | karsten | Guerin: No, it's |<---------this different------>| |
| 03:56.02 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: but I know someone in #ubuntu hosed his system a few days ago by installing sid's libc6 |
| 03:56.03 | iNick | liable: thank you, i will read the manages about that dir. |
| 03:56.03 | liable | iNick: dhclient eth0 |
| 03:56.13 | Guerin | karsten: change your resolution, omg |
| 03:56.14 | grendal_prime | testing is 2.3.6 and sarge is 2.32 |
| 03:56.19 | karsten | Guerin: And you must be at least this tall to ride: | |
| 03:56.28 | liable | iNick: man interfaces, zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 03:56.28 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: libc.so.6 is the single most important file on the entire system -- don't take your chances with it |
| 03:56.46 | karsten | Wyzard: I prefer taking my chances with /dev/urandom |
| 03:57.02 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 03:57.04 | grendal_prime | thats what i was figuring..see thats a dep for the slony app as well i dont think it can be backported for that reason alone |
| 03:57.04 | iNick | liable: much thank yous for the links, references. |
| 03:57.09 | liable | np |
| 03:57.25 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: Avoiding pulling in newer versions of things like libc is the main reason why backports.org exists |
| 03:57.37 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: Do you really need replication urgently? |
| 03:57.46 | grendal_prime | i cant seem to compile it from source for some reason ither |
| 03:58.01 | grendal_prime | well it would just make things easyer thats for damn sure |
| 03:58.17 | Wyzard | not if you're putting this much effort into getting it installed :-) |
| 03:58.21 | grendal_prime | im not going to worry about it. |
| 03:58.24 | iNick | liable: may i ask how long you've used debian? |
| 03:58.26 | grendal_prime | fk it |
| 03:58.32 | grendal_prime | ill wait tell dec. |
| 03:58.35 | karsten | Teh best VW bus evar: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Volkswagon-Shorty-Bus-One-of-a-Kind-Gull-Wing-Doors_W0QQitemZ170035398310QQihZ007QQcategoryZ15291QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 03:58.48 | grendal_prime | i have something that does nightly dumps right now. |
| 03:58.53 | grendal_prime | wich works.. |
| 03:58.58 | liable | iNick: prolly 2 1/2 years i guess |
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| 03:59.26 | iNick | liable: i'll probably single you out again for another question or two. |
| 03:59.30 | iNick | for now, thank you. |
| 03:59.32 | Guerin | karsten: awesome |
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| 04:09.47 | jetscreamer | gravity: wtg... but wtf... |
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| 04:09.57 | jetscreamer | hey ChrisBradley |
| 04:10.06 | gravity | erm? |
| 04:10.27 | jetscreamer | manpages for compiz :) |
| 04:11.03 | gravity | sorry? |
| 04:11.07 | jetscreamer | !gravity++ |
| 04:11.27 | jetscreamer | there are/were no manpages.. aka instructions |
| 04:11.31 | gravity | Oh, ok |
| 04:11.34 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: man compiz.real |
| 04:11.36 | gravity | There are now. I just uploaded it |
| 04:11.43 | jetscreamer | ahh |
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| 04:11.54 | Wyzard | "compiz" is a wrapper script but the manpage apparently got renamed along with the binary |
| 04:11.57 | aFlag | I'm unable to umount a usb partition, lsof says pamd is the only program using the partition, is it safe to kill it? Should I try something else first? |
| 04:12.00 | Wyzard | I'd been meaning to check the BTS about that |
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| 04:12.42 | shriphani | guys i downloaded the iso with jigdo |
| 04:12.56 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 04:13.03 | jetscreamer | !congratulate shriphani |
| 04:13.03 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies shriphani, you did it! |
| 04:13.08 | shriphani | FINISHED --09:31:27-- |
| 04:13.09 | shriphani | Downloaded: 10,78,002 bytes in 5 files |
| 04:13.09 | shriphani | Found 5 of the 5 files required by the template |
| 04:13.09 | shriphani | Successfully created `debian-31r3-i386-binary-1.iso' |
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| 04:13.13 | jetscreamer | oopsies |
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| 04:13.23 | shriphani | sorry |
| 04:13.27 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 04:13.32 | shriphani | didnt know that was banne |
| 04:13.33 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 04:13.33 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 04:13.35 | shriphani | d ^ |
| 04:13.47 | shriphani | well is that ok |
| 04:13.48 | jetscreamer | the bot is swift and merciless |
| 04:14.05 | jetscreamer | it said it created the .iso |
| 04:14.10 | jetscreamer | so burn it? |
| 04:14.12 | shriphani | yeh |
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| 04:14.19 | shriphani | will do after i get the cds |
| 04:14.23 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:14.35 | shriphani | thx |
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| 04:16.03 | squisher | does anyone know if/how I can a true screensaver configuration back in gnome 2.14? I'm not sure when it disappeared, but the current dialog is totally not sufficient... |
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| 04:16.24 | karsten | squisher: xscreensaver-demo |
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| 04:17.23 | jetscreamer | squisher: you should be able to find the old one under the debian part of the menu |
| 04:17.36 | squisher | karsten: that package does not exist |
| 04:17.48 | karsten | squisher: it's part of xscreensaver.] |
| 04:17.55 | karsten | !tell squisher about search |
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| 04:18.19 | squisher | karsten: oh, ok :-) |
| 04:18.32 | jetscreamer | /usr/bin/xscreensaver-command -prefs |
| 04:18.57 | karsten | squisher: it's the non-decoupled xscreensaver configuration tool. |
| 04:19.30 | jetscreamer | again |
| 04:19.58 | squisher | karsten: thanks, I think that's what I'm looking for. |
| 04:20.01 | jetscreamer | you know, the good one that has everything, not just the gnome selection |
| 04:20.10 | karsten | again. |
| 04:20.39 | squisher | yeah, you might be right... I should probably give something like xfce a shot - gnome is really getting to me |
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| 04:22.12 | gravity | wmaker needs a compositing manager |
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| 04:22.33 | karsten | gravity: odd you should suggest that. |
| 04:22.40 | gravity | ;-) |
| 04:22.41 | karsten | gravity: Know any xorg guys who could help? |
| 04:22.43 | karsten | ;-) |
| 04:23.00 | gravity | They're busy with other wm's right now :-) |
| 04:23.11 | karsten | gravity: Frankly, I like it as is well enough. |
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| 04:23.20 | jetscreamer | still missing a couple manpages btw |
| 04:23.36 | gravity | karsten: Even if it doesn't have spiffy effects, compositing is a huge win performance wise |
| 04:23.49 | gravity | karsten: Most notably for remote X |
| 04:23.51 | jetscreamer | gcompizthemer cgwd ... they're referenced in the compiz one, but... |
| 04:23.57 | jetscreamer | others |
| 04:24.06 | karsten | gravity: Could be good. As I said, works well enough now. |
| 04:24.10 | gravity | Yeah |
| 04:24.14 | dondelelcaro | gravity: bah. Who needs compositing? I just display xterms! ;-) |
| 04:24.18 | gravity | enjoy! |
| 04:24.32 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Heh, well yeah. For the ion user it's not quite as helpful :-) |
| 04:24.33 | jetscreamer | thanks for the new toy dude! |
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| 04:24.47 | gravity | Although it could composite the frames to save on redraws |
| 04:24.59 | gravity | Especially on remote X again |
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| 04:32.59 | nvz | dondelelcaro: heh, not just X.. but X clients in general as well |
| 04:33.22 | jetscreamer | btw i've lost track of how many times it's segfaulted on me :o |
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| 04:33.40 | jetscreamer | must be me |
| 04:33.45 | nvz | we get used to just typing everything and we dont bother working on the graphical apps |
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| 04:34.43 | nvz | Stephanie was asking me last night about why I am always starring at a screen full of letters, and how I know what to type |
| 04:35.30 | squisher | *grin* That one's good |
| 04:35.38 | nvz | She'll know soon enough.. as soon as I get my hands on that laptop of hers she'll be another debian user I've converted |
| 04:36.07 | nvz | I almost threw her out of the house last night when she asked me about getting online and used the words "Internet Explorer" |
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| 04:36.31 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 04:36.42 | squisher | haha |
| 04:36.51 | squisher | Yeah, IE can really be avoided these days |
| 04:37.08 | squisher | I find it sooo funny, that M$ even has a WGA plugin for FF.... |
| 04:37.13 | nvz | she laughed.. I was like no, seriously.. get out of my house |
| 04:37.24 | squisher | what did she do then? |
| 04:37.59 | nvz | squisher: made some lame excuse about it being all she ever heard of |
| 04:38.04 | mynullvoid | how can I get a package from sponsors.debian.net ? |
| 04:38.37 | squisher | nvz: ;-) but she was willing to give it a try, so you let her stay? |
| 04:38.41 | jetscreamer | nothing wrong with ie ... |
| 04:38.52 | nvz | squisher: she;s too cute to throw out anyhow |
| 04:39.02 | mynullvoid | I can see a package at http://sponsors.debian.net/viewpkg.php?id=276 but how do I download it? can I put something in my source list to get it? |
| 04:39.22 | nvz | squisher: we had already talked about setting up debian on her laptop. she just hasnt got around to bringing it over yet |
| 04:39.26 | nvz | squisher: she's open minded |
| 04:39.31 | squisher | nvz: But eventually she'll find out you are making empty threads, and then the woman takes over! :-P |
| 04:39.57 | squisher | nvz: Yeah, I have yet to encounter someone that's not open to FF actually |
| 04:40.20 | nvz | squisher: my father, my grandmother.. I've met plenty |
| 04:41.02 | squisher | really? Hmm, weird. I think my grandfather also uses IE, but that's because his PC is sooo old :) |
| 04:42.00 | nvz | squisher: well I got them both using FF, I wasnt understanding what you were saying at first I am talking to someone else in person and not paying attention |
| 04:42.30 | squisher | Oh - I was saying that I have not met someone who was reluctant to switch |
| 04:42.51 | nvz | squisher: I thought you mean free software in general like switching to debian |
| 04:43.04 | squisher | no, just FF - OSS/Linux is a different story |
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| 04:43.26 | mhall | Writing to an NTFS filesystem in Linux is like using Windows ME - you /can/ but when it bombs and you lose everything, nobody will feel sorry for you. |
| 04:43.26 | squisher | I tried to convert my dad to Linux a while back - and it even was more his initiative... |
| 04:43.27 | nvz | squisher: there is no creat-a-card in debian so I cant get my grandma to switch |
| 04:43.35 | nvz | squisher: and my dad is just an idiot |
| 04:44.01 | squisher | But it didn't work out because he started to have to use Word for school (he's a teacher), and OO import export didn't cut it |
| 04:44.37 | mhall | zOMGWTFBBQ do I ever hate *Word* |
| 04:44.39 | mhall | blecch |
| 04:44.56 | mhall | I'd rather CONVERT the broken stuff in OOo than use Word I hate it that much. |
| 04:45.16 | jetscreamer | it prints |
| 04:45.25 | jetscreamer | what more can you ask? |
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| 04:46.28 | squisher | mhall: sure, I agree - but he works at a school for learning disabled people and they have to teach them Word, not OO unfortunately, so there is little choice sometimes |
| 04:46.39 | mhall | squisher: yeah :-( |
| 04:47.20 | mhall | squisher: leave it to Massachusets though; they're forcing it to get fixed :-D |
| 04:47.49 | squisher | Plus, I had him install SuSE (was like 2y back or so) because I remembered it to have the best GUI admin options - boah, what a mistake... the format disk utility didn't even work... problems all around... |
| 04:48.20 | mhall | boah is kind of a funny sound effect, the only people i've ever heard use it are german speakers |
| 04:48.24 | squisher | mhall: hah - I believe it when I see it! Munich was also switching over, and it took them what, around an extra year or so to start switching desktops... |
| 04:48.38 | squisher | mhall: that could explain :-) |
| 04:48.58 | mhall | squisher: could explain which? |
| 04:50.28 | squisher | sorry - I meant, that's the explanation: I'm german |
| 04:50.49 | mhall | squisher: na gut, versteh ich denn ;) |
| 04:50.52 | squisher | I guess I'm not totally assimilated yet |
| 04:51.20 | mhall | don't get me wrong |
| 04:51.26 | mhall | i think it's a great sound effect |
| 04:51.31 | squisher | haha :-) |
| 04:51.33 | mhall | sometimes *I* use it in english |
| 04:52.01 | squisher | Are you German also, or you just know some German? |
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| 04:53.49 | mhall | squisher: I'm an American. I learned it for eight years through high school and college |
| 04:54.09 | mhall | squisher: I wanted to get a degree in German but I was too busy so I only got a minor. |
| 04:54.28 | squisher | mhall: hey, that's cool - I know precious little americans that actually learned enough German to speak a little... |
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| 04:56.18 | squisher | You should go to Germany sometimes if you have't yet. I'm sure you'd have a great time knowing some German + supplement with English |
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| 05:00.21 | zambaroo | guys, does anyone own poweredge 1850 + apc masterswitches? something causes two different switches to shut off with these two dells plugged in.. |
| 05:00.40 | mhall | squisher: I've been. |
| 05:00.57 | mhall | squisher: I was actually quite popular with the women, which is a rare occurrence for me. |
| 05:01.21 | stoned | ahembsahem |
| 05:01.25 | mhall | squisher: I'd go again but Big Daddy Hewlett-Packard doesn't give me much vacation time, and I'm trying to save money to pay off my debts and buy a house. |
| 05:01.32 | squisher | mhall: I guess Germans like foreigners... :-) |
| 05:01.32 | mhall | stoned: greeting good sir |
| 05:01.37 | stoned | hehe |
| 05:01.39 | stoned | whats up man |
| 05:01.49 | nvz | what up stoned |
| 05:01.53 | mhall | squisher: Well, whatever it was they liked, I seemed to be included in it, so I didn't question my good fortune. |
| 05:01.53 | squisher | mhall: yeah, sounds more important... Germany doesn't run away :-) |
| 05:01.55 | stoned | high as shit |
| 05:02.03 | mhall | squisher: Never look a gift horse in the mouth. ;-) |
| 05:02.04 | nvz | stoned: must be nice, burn one for me |
| 05:02.13 | stoned | burning now |
| 05:02.25 | squisher | mhall: very true :-). But you didn't end up with one, did you? |
| 05:02.31 | stoned | damn thats good |
| 05:03.43 | mhall | squisher: I could have, if I'd remained longer. |
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| 05:04.12 | mhall | squisher: In any case I wasn't complaining as it was better than I usually end up. |
| 05:04.19 | squisher | mhall: you sound like a smart guy (hanging out in #deb afterall (-; ), so I don't doubt you |
| 05:04.20 | mhall | FliesLikeABrick: your nick, is an oxymoron. ;-) |
| 05:04.35 | mhall | squisher: Perhaps so, but my personality is mostly terrible. |
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| 05:04.41 | FliesLikeABrick | well aware mhall |
| 05:04.48 | mhall | FliesLikeABrick: sorry, it had to be said |
| 05:04.57 | mhall | FliesLikeABrick: particularly because i'm slightly drunk =) |
| 05:05.06 | squisher | mhall: haha - I always think it's funny when people say that about themselves... |
| 05:05.12 | mhall | FliesLikeABrick: btw fwiw where in the word did you come up with it? |
| 05:05.17 | mhall | squisher: I've no reason to lie. |
| 05:05.25 | mhall | squisher: Ask some of the channel operators. =) |
| 05:05.50 | squisher | mhall: of course not - I meant more, if someone knows that about themselves, then why are they still so terrible? |
| 05:06.06 | zambaroo | hey bricks can fly.. for a short while. they are really fast, too. excellent acceleration, and what not. |
| 05:06.47 | mhall | squisher: Knowing it, knowing why, and then changing it. These are different levels of comprehension. |
| 05:06.47 | mhall | zambaroo: Such complications are not factored into alcohol-laden logic, for fuck's fucking sake. :=D |
| 05:06.49 | squisher | True - but I guess at least it's the first step. |
| 05:07.02 | zambaroo | mhall, im alcohol-laden as well! :) |
| 05:08.17 | mhall | squisher: I'd say I've figured out 1.5 of these levels. |
| 05:08.40 | mhall | squisher: It's rather like the transition from procedural to object-oriented to functional |
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| 05:09.14 | squisher | mhall: haha - you're definately an amusing drunk ;-) Yeah, not a bad analogy though in any case |
| 05:09.31 | FliesLikeABrick | mhall I've been rock climbing for a long time and I also did a lot of work in theatres in high-up places that I'd much like not to fall from |
| 05:09.31 | FliesLikeABrick | but if I did fall, I'd .... |
| 05:09.33 | mhall | FliesLikeABrick: oof |
| 05:09.49 | mhall | FliesLikeABrick: that's quite a lot of in-depth analysis for an irc nick |
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| 05:10.09 | FliesLikeABrick | well you asked about the meaning of an IRC nick, so I'd say you're much in the same boat |
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| 05:11.12 | mhall | i was lazy so i coded it up just so public String setIrcNick(context* life) { return new String (firstName.subString(0,1) + lastName.subString(0,lastName.length())); } |
| 05:11.33 | mhall | FliesLikeABrick: yes-- quite |
| 05:11.48 | mhall | FliesLikeABrick: but most people aren't semi-intoxicated socratic hecklers such as myself |
| 05:11.56 | FliesLikeABrick | true 'nuff |
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| 05:12.00 | FliesLikeABrick | on that note, it is homework time |
| 05:12.41 | squisher | FliesLikeABrick: you have an interesting schedule |
| 05:13.07 | FliesLikeABrick | yes squisher I took a nap from 10 to midnight, then went to get dinner, and now it is homework time (1am heren ow) |
| 05:13.09 | FliesLikeABrick | here now* |
| 05:13.39 | squisher | oh damn, you're east-coast? :-) I'm still working at some too (11pm here) - but I'm finishing, not starting! |
| 05:13.46 | FliesLikeABrick | heh |
| 05:13.50 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah I'm in NY |
| 05:14.44 | FliesLikeABrick | yes, I figured you'd do as much |
| 05:14.58 | freakazoid0223 | are u rooting for thr mets or yanks? |
| 05:17.47 | mhall | Did I mention I am always amazed what percentage of my life is handled by stub methods with //TODO:... comments in them? |
| 05:17.54 | mhall | It's horrifying. |
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| 05:18.00 | squisher | Oh yeah, I can agree on that one |
| 05:18.14 | squisher | I have so many TODOs that I just can't keep track, which is not good... |
| 05:18.24 | mhall | I gotta love my new hatah blockahs device driver. They take care of 90% of the crap for me. |
| 05:18.30 | mhall | What a great library. |
| 05:18.57 | squisher | hatah? What are you programming? |
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| 05:19.58 | mhall | squisher: Actually, it was kind of an obscure joke... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hater+blockers |
| 05:20.08 | mhall | squisher: The stuff I really program is a great deal more boring. |
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| 05:20.23 | mhall | squisher: My real programming job is to write SNMP device drivers. |
| 05:20.55 | squisher | mhall: Oh, I see... if you had written hater instead of hatah, it probably would have helped ;-). |
| 05:21.20 | squisher | For printers 'n stuff, cause you mentioned HP? Or switches? |
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| 05:24.21 | mhall | squisher: For switches and other network interconnect devices. |
| 05:24.59 | mhall | squisher: Recently I've been writing a utility for customers who have problems with multiple applications taking conflicting control over packet samplers. |
| 05:25.00 | squisher | mhall: do you mind if I ask you if you like that job? I'm in grad-school right now and reality is dooming on the horizon... (with me having no clue where to go) |
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| 05:25.19 | mhall | squisher: This part of HP is a pretty healthy workplace I'd say. |
| 05:25.51 | mhall | squisher: We are growing at twice the rate of the networking market and have many interesting projects. Also, our whole subsidiary is part of HP R&D. |
| 05:26.23 | mhall | squisher: So we all have generous budgets and good equipment. Apparently the salaries are a bit below industry average but I don't care so much. |
| 05:26.27 | squisher | That sounds good - except maybe for the vacation part you mentioned earlier :-P |
| 05:26.51 | squisher | mhall: yeah, sallary is not everything, definitely |
| 05:27.04 | mhall | squisher: Well the thing is, the rules aren't really much different from most other companies. But since I started mid-year I don't qualify for as much as one normally would. |
| 05:27.47 | squisher | mhall: Ah, I see. I'm glad - I hate US companies that don't give enough vacation, it's so counter-productive |
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| 05:28.34 | mhall | squisher: What degree will you graduate with? |
| 05:28.39 | mhall | sorry for repeat if it repeated |
| 05:28.44 | mhall | but i had lag of > 10 s |
| 05:28.50 | mhall | so i figured my connection was broken |
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| 05:29.10 | squisher | mhall: no repeat, but you had disconnected |
| 05:29.23 | squisher | mhall: Master in CS, probably |
| 05:29.29 | sid | I have these packages installed: compiz-core compiz-gnome compiz-gtk compiz-plugins, I'm running unstable with X 7.1, and aiglx and all the modules in my xorg.conf setup properly. How do I get compiz to work? There is no compiz-manager or anything in main repository. |
| 05:30.09 | valdyn | sid: in X, run: 'gtk-window-decorator & compiz --replace gconf' |
| 05:30.57 | mhall | squisher: excellent |
| 05:31.09 | mhall | squisher: i didn't have the money or time available for a graduate degree |
| 05:31.18 | mhall | squisher: also i'm not the hugest fan of schooling |
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| 05:31.44 | mhall | squisher: in any case, one of my friends who went to work for google with an MSCS makes $98000 USD |
| 05:31.51 | squisher | mhall: I'm the schooling type - but the time is a problem, yeah... money so/so (I was lucky enough to get an RA) |
| 05:32.07 | mhall | squisher: the industry in general has been growing a lot lately since the dot-com era has worn off |
| 05:32.21 | squisher | mhall: nice! One from the research group I just joint also just got a job there... it was 'an offer she could not refuse' is all I know though |
| 05:32.26 | jetscreamer | what does No GLXFBConfig for depth 32 mean when i start this compiz... and how do i get/select the themes |
| 05:32.37 | mhall | squisher: i suppose the thing to ask yourself is, when hacking in your free time, what do you hack on. i say, pick something similar to this but not the exact same |
| 05:32.49 | mhall | squisher: because if you pick the exact same you'll burn out your hobby |
| 05:33.10 | mhall | my hobby is UNIX/Linux so i picked network security, my second favorite / closest hobby |
| 05:33.12 | mhall | jetscreamer: doh |
| 05:33.13 | squisher | mhall: yeah, that's true. I'll do research on more theoretical stuff, and I need to start coding some more... :-) |
| 05:33.15 | jetscreamer | but i don't seem to have a titlebar |
| 05:33.36 | mhall | squisher: with an MS you might find it a bit hard to get a totally theoretical job from what i can see |
| 05:33.50 | mhall | squisher: though you can find a number of very good practial and in-between jobs |
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| 05:34.11 | mhall | squisher: i found in my interviews i rely on my vocabulary, humor, and unix nature |
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| 05:34.19 | squisher | mhall: yeah, that's probably what I'm shooting for - I just don't know yet exactly :-\ |
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| 05:34.27 | mhall | squisher: technical skills are good too but the other things seem more important |
| 05:34.32 | jetscreamer | hey yeah...i have no titlebar on anything... |
| 05:34.41 | jetscreamer | how to fix |
| 05:34.45 | mhall | squisher: i understand some of this advice might be a bit strange but it's what worked for me |
| 05:34.52 | mhall | jetscreamer: in what window system etc |
| 05:34.55 | squisher | mhall: yeah, I can imagine... I haven't done many interviews yet- so far most things have been by reference :-) |
| 05:34.59 | mhall | jetscreamer: and did you do anything funky to anything |
| 05:35.07 | jetscreamer | mhall: it's the compiz |
| 05:35.13 | squisher | mhall: nah, I'm glad to hear it... hearing about experience is always good. |
| 05:35.19 | jetscreamer | i have titlebars w/o |
| 05:35.22 | mhall | squisher: in general the key is to be careful what you place on your resumé. |
| 05:35.33 | squisher | mhall: even though my vocabulary probably is not as good ;-) |
| 05:35.42 | mhall | squisher: if you make a point of not including something or limiting your skill level in it, people give you more latitude to make mistakes there |
| 05:35.42 | squisher | mhall: what do you mean... like not uninteresting things? |
| 05:36.06 | mhall | squisher: like, on my interviews, i got a lot of java questions, but i hadn't listed java because i didn't really know it |
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| 05:36.14 | squisher | mhall: ah, I see. Yeah, that's probably true. I'm the honest type, so I'd probably go for that anyways |
| 05:36.19 | mhall | squisher: so because i was honest people didn't get angry at me for it |
| 05:36.45 | mhall | squisher: believe me, i'm not saying i think you're not honest ;-) the key is to let the German in you come out and be brutally honest ;-) |
| 05:36.59 | squisher | mhall: *grin* yeah |
| 05:37.33 | jetscreamer | whoa i just found out how to make the cube spin |
| 05:37.35 | mhall | squisher: it turned out before the interview i'd debated how much java skills to give myself |
| 05:37.37 | jetscreamer | switch desktops |
| 05:37.45 | mhall | squisher: and it was good i didn't put it down |
| 05:37.54 | squisher | mhall: oh that's coincidence... |
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| 05:38.02 | squisher | mhall: glad it worked for you :) |
| 05:38.23 | mhall | squisher: one of the people who interviewed me said that i scored the best on his programming interview of anybody he ever interviewed, which i found almost unbelievable |
| 05:38.38 | mhall | insmod: they did shower you. just with things other than water. |
| 05:38.48 | jetscreamer | insmod dropped the soap |
| 05:38.53 | squisher | insmod: hey, read Mein Kampf is all I can say |
| 05:38.55 | mhall | jetscreamer: LOL! |
| 05:39.00 | insmod | lol |
| 05:39.16 | squisher | mhall: hey, that's a compliment... maybe you are underestimating your skill :) |
| 05:39.31 | mhall | squisher: btw do you know anything about linux kernel patching. esp new drivers? |
| 05:40.08 | jetscreamer | param |
| 05:40.15 | squisher | mhall: I sure have patched kernels, but not so often recently, so I might not be up to date. Why are you asking? |
| 05:40.27 | mhall | squisher: well we're looking for a linux driver developer |
| 05:40.33 | Guerin | hm, if you've not actually read Mein Kampf you might be a bit underwhelmed by it |
| 05:40.45 | mhall | squisher: it'd be convenient if i'd accidentally found one on irc =) |
| 05:40.55 | Guerin | they should make an abridged version, with only the bits which aren't syphilitic rantings |
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| 05:41.11 | Guerin | (it'd be about paperback-sized) |
| 05:41.23 | squisher | mhall: =) yeah I can imagine... Unfortunately I'm probably not qualified enough for that yet... plus, I just started with my MS, I still have a little to go... |
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| 05:41.41 | Xorm | okay |
| 05:41.45 | Xorm | this isn't funny |
| 05:41.52 | jetscreamer | is there supposed to not be a titlebar with/while_running compiz? heck i don't even know how to refer to it |
| 05:41.53 | Xorm | who's portscanning me? |
| 05:41.55 | squisher | mhall: but I'll get back to you if I update my skillset :) There are just so many interesting things to do that it's hard to decide what to get into |
| 05:42.00 | Guerin | Xorm: 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:42.05 | Xorm | ,, |
| 05:42.08 | jetscreamer | Xorm: find out |
| 05:42.08 | Guerin | Xorm: second question: why do you care? |
| 05:42.12 | Guerin | let 'em scan. |
| 05:42.14 | Xorm | 128.88.64.? |
| 05:42.23 | Xorm | Guerin, my connection is slowed considerably |
| 05:42.24 | jetscreamer | 128? |
| 05:42.27 | Xorm | and I netstat |
| 05:42.35 | Xorm | and there are a bunch of connections. |
| 05:42.47 | Xorm | to hs128-88-64.ftl-nj |
| 05:43.02 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 05:43.06 | Guerin | Xorm: connections to which services? |
| 05:43.08 | jetscreamer | 64.88.128 |
| 05:43.44 | jetscreamer | new jersey is haxoring j00 |
| 05:44.16 | squisher | mhall: my problem is that I don't have enough experience with coding yet... and I can't find a good project to get into that'd motivate me to stay on top of it :-\ |
| 05:44.38 | mhall | squisher: the key to coding well is being forced to do it on a deadline |
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| 05:44.53 | mhall | argh |
| 05:44.57 | mhall | bad IRC connection |
| 05:45.10 | squisher | mhall: I'm guessing comcast is as crappy in CA is in NM? |
| 05:45.40 | squisher | s/is/as it is/ |
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| 05:46.43 | mhall | squisher: normally I don't have so many problems |
| 05:46.55 | mhall | squisher: something's been a bit odd since yesterday night though |
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| 05:47.05 | mhall | i kind of wonder if it's some of my own equipment though |
| 05:47.17 | mhall | i have a cheap modem and a cheap wireless router |
| 05:47.30 | jetscreamer | grumble grumble |
| 05:47.42 | squisher | mhall: I have the same problems... I just moved here, and my connection is slow, specially uploads, but my server has been acting weird lately too, so it's hard to narrow down |
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| 05:48.13 | Xorm | http://rafb.net/paste/results/c3S6AG53.txt |
| 05:48.15 | sid | valdyn: How do I put it back? |
| 05:48.20 | Xorm | This is the netstat |
| 05:48.45 | Xorm | I looked in the forwarding on my router |
| 05:48.49 | squisher | mhall: but how do I get a deadline for coding, when it's not my job, but just the hobby? |
| 05:48.59 | Xorm | and connections shouldn't be able to get in |
| 05:49.08 | Xorm | It looks almost like I'm portscanning someone =\ |
| 05:49.14 | Guerin | squisher: you WANT deadlines? You sick bastard. |
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| 05:49.27 | Guerin | squisher: i went back to skool, and the deadlines are KILLING me |
| 05:49.41 | squisher | Guerin: ;-) Nah, it was just because mhall suggested that the key to coding is to be forced to a deadline |
| 05:49.44 | squisher | Guerin: tell me about it! |
| 05:50.02 | Guerin | squisher: well, i AM finding that I can't seem to start work on anything until a few days before the deadline. |
| 05:50.06 | mhall | Xorm: that certainly is odd. try using netstat -np |
| 05:50.19 | squisher | Guerin: yeah, that's often how it is... |
| 05:50.23 | mhall | squisher: really though it's the only way i can guarantee you'd learn something new |
| 05:50.34 | squisher | Guerin: but if they are killing you, then that's the point you have to improve :) |
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| 05:50.35 | Guerin | this is going to be trouble next year, when my only real deadline is "hand it in before christmas ... and it had better be good' |
| 05:50.51 | mhall | squisher: most people don't have the discipline to make their own real true deadlines like you need to do to make real open source code of quality |
| 05:51.03 | tuv | does etch's emacs have multi-tty or is it only in emacs-snapshot? |
| 05:51.11 | squisher | mhall: sigh... I'm usually a disciplined person, but not enough I guess |
| 05:51.24 | Guerin | tuv: not in main emacs yet. emacs23 will have it. |
| 05:51.25 | mhall | squisher: i know i don't. i swore a few weeks ago i'd write a cool new daemon. haven't even started it. but all my work gets done at work ASAP. :-) |
| 05:51.35 | mhall | yay emacs23 |
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| 05:51.43 | jetscreamer | this is weird |
| 05:51.54 | mhall | will emacs23 run on a dual opteron though Guerin? |
| 05:51.59 | squisher | mhall: Well, better than the other way around! You can catch up with OS later, but your job doesn't wait for you |
| 05:52.02 | tuv | Guerin, so is it in emacs-snapshot or is it not in debian at all? |
| 05:52.21 | Xorm | mhall, http://rafb.net/paste/results/ytYiSc94.txt |
| 05:52.26 | Guerin | mhall: you'll have to turn the turbo button on your PC off, otherwise it will get the speedwobbles and crash |
| 05:52.33 | Guerin | tuv: dunno |
| 05:52.54 | Guerin | tuv: look at yonder changelog - I guess it's not, csince the author provides debian packages on his site |
| 05:53.20 | Xorm | hey... |
| 05:53.27 | Xorm | connections are gone. |
| 05:53.35 | Guerin | Xorm: you scared them away |
| 05:53.47 | Guerin | or, if you're a pessimist: the rootkit's installed now |
| 05:53.55 | Xorm | haha. |
| 05:54.00 | Guerin | you laugh |
| 05:54.19 | Xorm | ohnoes! |
| 05:54.25 | mhall | lol!!!111 |
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| 05:54.49 | Xorm | How easy is it to get rooted? |
| 05:54.51 | Guerin | Xorm: just make sure you label it 'holiday pics', that way nobody will ever look through it |
| 05:54.57 | Xorm | hahaha. |
| 05:55.09 | Guerin | Xorm: depends what your security posture is |
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| 05:55.17 | Xorm | ah.. |
| 05:55.18 | JimPanic | Or just share them, then nobody is going to bother you anyways :D |
| 05:55.30 | Xorm | I have 3 or so ports forwarded to my comp. |
| 05:55.42 | Guerin | Xorm: tnhat's not what I mean by 'security posture' |
| 05:55.47 | Guerin | it only takes one port to root you |
| 05:55.51 | Xorm | wait |
| 05:55.58 | Xorm | FTP and HTTP are open. |
| 05:56.04 | Guerin | by 'security posture' i mean ' what software do you run, and how well do you know it' |
| 05:56.38 | Xorm | http://rafb.net/paste/results/ytYiSc94.txt |
| 05:56.39 | Xorm | oops |
| 05:56.42 | Xorm | Server version: Apache/2.0.54 |
| 05:56.52 | Xorm | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.56 | Guerin | don't tell me |
| 05:57.00 | Guerin | i don't care |
| 05:57.03 | Xorm | alright. |
| 05:57.13 | Guerin | just satisfy yourself that it's secure and securely maintained |
| 05:57.21 | Guerin | and securely configured |
| 05:57.28 | Guerin | I didn't ask |
| 05:57.30 | Xorm | That scares me =\ |
| 05:57.40 | Xorm | I haven't ever done security checks |
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| 05:57.45 | Xorm | just installed the servers |
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| 05:58.04 | squisher | Xorm: now it's too late :) |
| 05:58.10 | mhall | chkrootkit =) |
| 05:58.14 | jetscreamer | the spiders have you |
| 05:58.34 | Xorm | Y U HAX |
| 05:58.55 | jetscreamer | how do you turn compiz off w/o having it be all weird and need to kill x |
| 05:59.28 | JimPanic | killall compiz |
| 05:59.29 | JimPanic | :D |
| 05:59.35 | mhall | !lart JimPanic |
| 05:59.50 | JimPanic | Or just restart your login manager. |
| 06:00.17 | jetscreamer | heh... yeah come to think of it, weird includes borking gdm out |
| 06:00.18 | squisher | mhall: War nett mit dir zu reden :-). I need to call it a night though, maybe I'll see you around! |
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| 06:00.41 | JimPanic | I guess he tried it out :) |
| 06:01.14 | Xorm | Und meine komputermachien ist explodieren vhen ich forgetten auf pluggen-innen los fannen |
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| 06:02.31 | mhall | squisher: na cool |
| 06:02.51 | sid | Someone told me to type "gtk-window-decorator & compiz --replace gconf"; How can I undo these changes and make gnome normal again? |
| 06:03.13 | mhall | squisher: DAS KOMPUTERMASCHINE IST NICHT FÃœR DER GEFINGERPOKEN UND MITTENGRABEN! ODERWISE IST EASY TO SCHNAPPEN DER SPRINGENWERK, BLOWENFUSEN UND POPPENCORKEN MIT SPITZENSPARKSEN. |
| 06:03.25 | squisher | mhall: are you more ofter here in #deb? Me not yet, but will probably change that :) |
| 06:04.16 | mhall | squisher: About that, I was a regular here from 1998-2005 when I got into a very unfortunate political debate with some channel staff. |
| 06:04.31 | mhall | squisher: After this I decided I'd cut my involvement substantially. |
| 06:04.40 | adEe | when you take a screenshot of a video with VLC, where does the file go? |
| 06:04.53 | sid | !mhallsmite sid |
| 06:04.54 | squisher | mhall: hm, that sucks. Politics are always problematic. |
| 06:04.57 | sid | :( |
| 06:05.01 | mhall | adEe: tried find ~ -iname \*.suffix -print yet? |
| 06:06.02 | adEe | mhall: nvm, found it |
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| 06:06.56 | tarzeau | no whell, no |
| 06:07.32 | sid | bye squisher |
| 06:07.49 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:07.49 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:07.59 | sid | Someone told me to type "gtk-window-decorator & compiz --replace gconf"; How can I undo these changes and make gnome normal again? |
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| 06:09.02 | Guerin | sid: restart gnome |
| 06:09.26 | sid | Guerin: I did. It always starts messed up. no borders on windows |
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| 06:10.32 | Guerin | sid: kill? |
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| 06:11.35 | sid | eh, I already started ion3 |
| 06:11.51 | sid | I'll just stick with this for awhile.(month) |
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| 06:18.47 | gpm | hi all. i'm about to send out a dvd rip to some people and i'm not sure what platform they're on. it'd be great if the video "just worked." in short, i need to know what are most universally supported -ovc's and -oac's to use with mencoder? |
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| 06:20.26 | anisX | how to install ftp on debian sarge 3.1 ? |
| 06:20.40 | tuv | gpm, xvid is widely supported, but is not playable by default. you have to install the codec to play it |
| 06:21.06 | tuv | anisX, install an ftp server.. there are plenty in debian.. consider vsftpd |
| 06:21.25 | gpm | tuv: what's a codec that mac and windows people would have by default? |
| 06:21.41 | anisX | tuv, apt-get install vsftpd , correct ? |
| 06:22.09 | gpm | anisX: yes |
| 06:22.25 | anisX | gpm, thanks sir thanks! |
| 06:22.25 | tuv | gpm, 1) i don't know about mac. 2) by default, your options are limited, and the compression is weak |
| 06:22.46 | gpm | i'm thinking mpeg4 with lavc might be best |
| 06:22.51 | gpm | in an avi container |
| 06:23.13 | gpm | i have a non-geek friend who couldn't play an xvid avi on his mac |
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| 06:23.42 | tuv | gpm, lavc's mpeg4 is great, but not sure if it'll play without a codec |
| 06:23.50 | insmod | gpm: xvid has a mac version |
| 06:23.50 | tuv | gpm, an additional codec that is |
| 06:23.58 | insmod | gpm: just install it |
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| 06:24.24 | tuv | gpm, you could ship a set of xvid installers with your dvd for different platforms :) |
| 06:24.26 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 06:24.46 | tuv | hi mynullvoid |
| 06:24.49 | gpm | ok |
| 06:24.53 | gpm | so it's a big mess. |
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| 06:25.15 | tuv | gpm, but i'd try mpeg4 in a virgin machine first :) |
| 06:25.27 | gpm | well yeah |
| 06:25.33 | mynullvoid | how can I get packages from http://sponsors.debian.net/ ? |
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| 06:25.49 | Guerin | which mpeg-4? |
| 06:25.54 | karsten | mynullvoid: What sort of packages? Does it host a Debian archive? |
| 06:26.17 | mynullvoid | karsten: I am looking for latest snort-inline for my sarge |
| 06:26.33 | mynullvoid | debian archive only got snort |
| 06:26.36 | karsten | mynullvoid: experimental, or upstream. |
| 06:26.50 | karsten | mynullvoid: ... or backports. |
| 06:26.58 | karsten | !tell mynullvoid about backports |
| 06:27.05 | gpm | lavc |
| 06:27.17 | mynullvoid | karsten: it's not in backports |
| 06:27.27 | Guerin | mynullvoid: make your own |
| 06:27.38 | tuv | Guerin, lavc's, with mencoder |
| 06:27.39 | karsten | mynullvoid: Upstream or experimental. Also understand what sarge (stable) is and why. |
| 06:27.48 | karsten | mynullvoid: Sounds like you've got conflicting needs/wants. |
| 06:27.49 | mynullvoid | karsten: http://sponsors.debian.net/viewpkg.php?id=276 |
| 06:28.03 | anisX | gpm, how to add user on vfstpd ? |
| 06:28.14 | gpm | anisX: sorry, haven't used it in forever |
| 06:28.37 | tuv | anisX, read the docs. usually be creating a system user, but you can setup virtual users |
| 06:28.48 | karsten | mynullvoid: Server errors. |
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| 06:29.25 | karsten | mynullvoid: What I saw of the homepage is that s.p.n isn't running on all cylinders anyway. |
| 06:29.40 | anisX | tuv, yes that is correct , creating a system user , but i want ftp to /var/www/ |
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| 06:30.00 | mynullvoid | karsten: meaning |
| 06:30.01 | anisX | tuv, ah maybe i can change permission on that user as root ? |
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| 06:30.19 | mynullvoid | karsten: I am viewing the web page now |
| 06:30.19 | Guerin | tuv: lavc still needs a separate coidec, don't it? |
| 06:30.24 | karsten | mynullvoid: The site / project is semi-offline. |
| 06:30.28 | karsten | mynullvoid: And i'm not. |
| 06:30.49 | mynullvoid | karsten: what you mean by semi-offline? |
| 06:31.02 | karsten | mynullvoid: Read the fucking homepage with comprehension. |
| 06:31.28 | Guerin | !be a reading barbie |
| 06:31.28 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, guerin |
| 06:31.32 | karsten | mynullvoid: This is a partial implementation of a prior project which died, neither of which I'd heard of until you mentioned them. |
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| 06:31.51 | Blackhold | hello |
| 06:32.05 | tuv | Guerin, lavc IS a set of codecs.. an implementation of them |
| 06:32.15 | karsten | mynullvoid: To add: you're running Debian stable, want something that may not yet be in unstable/experimental, and want the world to rush to your service. Um. Thanks, but no. |
| 06:32.22 | Guerin | oh, it's an implementation of divx, xvid, etc |
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| 06:32.32 | karsten | mynullvoid: Suggests a poor grasp of goals, resources, needs, and reality. |
| 06:32.34 | tuv | right |
| 06:32.35 | Guerin | hm, for some reason I thought it called them |
| 06:32.46 | Blackhold | yesterday I installed something, the evolution, but also the installation installed other things, now the x-window don't starts, could someone give me some help please? |
| 06:33.09 | tuv | Guerin, you can encode with lavc/xvid or with xvid.. will use different libs |
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| 06:33.19 | Guerin | tuv: and different results? |
| 06:33.20 | tuv | and different actual encoders |
| 06:33.37 | tuv | Guerin, yes, although both will be playable by any xvid decoder |
| 06:33.43 | Guerin | right. |
| 06:33.44 | karsten | Blackhold: less /var/log/<your X server (xorg/xfree86) logfile here> |
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| 06:33.52 | karsten | mynullvoid: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=snort-inline |
| 06:34.02 | karsten | mynullvoid: No results. Now, what are you trying to do? |
| 06:34.12 | Guerin | karsten: he wants teh newest |
| 06:34.23 | Guerin | if it was released yesterday, it's too old |
| 06:34.23 | karsten | Guerin: And I want you in my bed. |
| 06:34.26 | Guerin | hell yeah |
| 06:34.33 | karsten | Guerin: ... what're the odds? |
| 06:34.33 | Guerin | karsten: and I want a pony! |
| 06:34.40 | karsten | Guerin: Hung like one? |
| 06:34.42 | karsten | ;-) |
| 06:34.57 | Guerin | prefer my ponies free ridin' |
| 06:35.02 | Guerin | not strangulated like |
| 06:35.10 | mynullvoid | karsten: did you read what I typed? |
| 06:35.29 | Blackhold | karsten: and what I have to look for? |
| 06:36.00 | mynullvoid | snort-inline is not in debian arch. that's why I am looking for unofficial port |
| 06:36.06 | karsten | Blackhold: 'EE' for error. |
| 06:36.28 | Blackhold | I think that is something about fonts |
| 06:36.35 | Guerin | mynullvoid: MAKE YOUR OWN |
| 06:36.37 | Blackhold | 'cause uninstalled them |
| 06:36.40 | karsten | mynullvoid: And I'm telling you there isn't one in Debian. Go to upstream, as I told you initially, and install from sources, or use a supplied .deb if there is one (which I doubt). |
| 06:36.52 | Blackhold | I installed everything that gives the word evolution :S |
| 06:36.52 | Guerin | mynullvoid: or google the fucking thing ... that's all we'd have to do to find you one |
| 06:36.56 | karsten | mynullvoid: End of story. Full stop. You're on /ginore |
| 06:37.10 | karsten | Guerin: Feh. Stop me before I get there. |
| 06:37.48 | mynullvoid | if I have it I won't be asking |
| 06:38.02 | mynullvoid | it's ok, I will find it myself |
| 06:38.04 | mynullvoid | thanks anyway |
| 06:38.06 | Blackhold | evolution evolution-exchange libexchange-storage1.2-1 libechange-storage1.2-0 <- I installed that |
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| 06:38.35 | vick | is there no eclipse package on debian ? |
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| 06:38.38 | karsten | Blackhold: What you want to do is find out why X isn't starting. |
| 06:38.52 | Guerin | vick: in contrib, probably |
| 06:39.05 | Guerin | vick: since it needs java evilness |
| 06:39.22 | karsten | Blackhold: For starters: what version of Debian? Sarge/stable or etch/unstable? What version of X? What log messages at startup? What happens if you run 'X' or 'startx' from console (kill your X display manager first). |
| 06:39.35 | vick | Guerin, java evilness ? |
| 06:39.44 | Guerin | vick: java. evilness. |
| 06:39.44 | karsten | Blackhold: And you're going to have to do the legwork, you're in front of the box. I can point you places, but no more. |
| 06:40.02 | karsten | liable: Do you have any of those mean pills left, I think I may need some. |
| 06:40.02 | Blackhold | karsten: DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI |
| 06:40.03 | Blackhold | :S |
| 06:40.09 | karsten | Blackhold: Where? |
| 06:40.10 | Blackhold | what does it mean? |
| 06:40.13 | vick | Guerin, why lol ? |
| 06:40.20 | karsten | Blackhold: Lacking context, no clue. |
| 06:40.21 | vick | Guerin, what's wrong with java ? |
| 06:40.22 | Blackhold | in /var/log/Xorg.20.log |
| 06:40.24 | Guerin | vick: why what? |
| 06:40.31 | karsten | Blackhold: Not critical. |
| 06:40.39 | Blackhold | in the Xorg.0.log it says that there's no error |
| 06:40.40 | karsten | Blackhold: 'grep EE /var/llog/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:40.40 | Guerin | vick: it's non-free, and mean you have to suck up to The Man |
| 06:41.01 | Guerin | vick: quite apart from its more debatable failings as a programming language |
| 06:41.02 | vick | Guerin, sources.list: deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib , i have that line and i still can't see eclipse |
| 06:41.12 | Guerin | vick: no idea, then. Look on pdo |
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| 06:41.20 | vick | pdo ? |
| 06:41.21 | Guerin | vick: oh |
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| 06:41.29 | Guerin | vick: that's not the line which needs contrib |
| 06:41.39 | Blackhold | karsten: no line of error appears in this fle |
| 06:41.44 | Blackhold | file* |
| 06:41.46 | Guerin | vick: you need contrib on your main package repo line, not just security |
| 06:41.47 | karsten | Blackhold: OK, then try the other stuff I mentioned. |
| 06:41.57 | karsten | Blackhold: Check also ~/.xsession-errors |
| 06:42.10 | Blackhold | in anyhome user? |
| 06:42.18 | Danamania | vick: http://packages.debian.org - a web accessible way of perusing what's where in debian packages. |
| 06:42.36 | karsten | Blackhold: Try first. Then ask. RTFM on commands if you're not sure. |
| 06:42.53 | karsten | Blackhold: What's "~" mean in filesystem context? |
| 06:43.12 | Blackhold | home |
| 06:43.23 | karsten | Blackhold: So what's the answer to your question? |
| 06:43.28 | Blackhold | yep |
| 06:43.29 | Blackhold | :P |
| 06:43.53 | karsten | Blackhold: No stupid questions, OK. |
| 06:43.57 | Guerin | bah, stupid wife not answering her phone |
| 06:44.06 | Guerin | karsten: only stupid people, right. |
| 06:44.23 | karsten | Guerin: My favorite stupid question. |
| 06:44.47 | karsten | College. Environmental studies class. Air pollution. Power plant stacks. "Why don't they just pump it into the ground?" |
| 06:44.50 | vick | Guerin, What's wrong with JAVA, why do you not like it ? |
| 06:44.54 | karsten | Guerin: Very. Teachable. Moment. |
| 06:44.57 | Guerin | karsten: HAH |
| 06:45.04 | Guerin | vick: i already explained. |
| 06:45.05 | vick | lol |
| 06:45.12 | vick | karsten is your wife |
| 06:45.12 | vick | lol |
| 06:45.21 | Guerin | vick: no, karsten WANTS to be my wife. |
| 06:45.27 | vick | oh ok |
| 06:45.42 | vick | Guerin, sorry, didn't get that when you explained |
| 06:45.51 | Guerin | vick: java license evil. |
| 06:45.58 | Guerin | vick: thus, java evil. |
| 06:46.20 | karsten | Guerin: Unfortunatly the prof didn't click onto that. Explaining chemical reaction of a large hydrocarbon to CO2 + H20, plus solid-gas phase change, and power plants requiring three 110 car unit trains _daily_ would have left an impression. |
| 06:46.37 | karsten | Guerin: No, I want *you* to be _my_ wife. |
| 06:46.43 | Guerin | karsten: so you say. |
| 06:46.48 | karsten | Guerin: How many times do I have to explain? |
| 06:47.02 | vick | Guerin, java license evil, what do you mean ? |
| 06:47.07 | karsten | Blackhold: Any progress? |
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| 06:47.17 | Guerin | karsten: how many times do I have to answer a rhetorical question with a rhetorical question? |
| 06:47.20 | vick | Guerin, i added contrib to the first line and updating the db, but still couldn't find it :( |
| 06:47.29 | karsten | Guerin: Who wants to know? |
| 06:47.38 | Guerin | vick: java license doesn't let me do with java what I will. |
| 06:47.48 | vick | Guerin, like what |
| 06:47.59 | Blackhold | karsten: I found that |
| 06:48.09 | Guerin | vick: like grep the source code for swear words, for instance |
| 06:48.10 | karsten | vick: Freely modify, distribute. Installers are pants. |
| 06:48.16 | karsten | Blackhold: Found what? |
| 06:48.22 | Blackhold | Gnome-CRITICAL gnome_program_get_app_version: assertion `program != NULL' failed |
| 06:48.34 | Blackhold | and then a lot of lines telling something |
| 06:48.45 | karsten | Blackhold: Interesting. That might not be healthy. ~/.xsession-error ? |
| 06:48.49 | Fox_1_ | can i install 32 bit debian in amd x64? |
| 06:49.00 | karsten | Fox_1_: Yes. |
| 06:49.04 | Guerin | vick: egrep -ri 'fuck|shit|damn|bastard' /usr/src/linux can be enlightening |
| 06:49.20 | karsten | Fox_1_: You won't have 64 bit systems. It will run though. |
| 06:49.25 | vick | Guerin, what's wrong with that ? |
| 06:49.31 | Blackhold | yes |
| 06:49.43 | tuv | Fox_1_, you'll be using it as if it were a 32-bit system though |
| 06:49.50 | Guerin | vick: yes, my point precisely. Why do Sun not want me to grep the java source for swear words? |
| 06:49.51 | Blackhold | this is the last error |
| 06:50.01 | Fox_1_ | karsten: i have not 64 bit debian, yet. |
| 06:50.04 | karsten | Blackhold: kill your X display manager (usually gdm / kdm / wdm or xdm ) and try launching X from a console. |
| 06:50.14 | Blackhold | in this file I could saw also the connections that I made... |
| 06:50.15 | tuv | isn't java source available |
| 06:50.19 | tuv | ? |
| 06:50.21 | Blackhold | ok |
| 06:50.41 | Guerin | tuv: the spec is available. The source isn't. |
| 06:50.41 | karsten | Blackhold: Yeah, ignore xsession-errors for now. Actually, delete it. |
| 06:50.48 | karsten | Guerin: It's not? |
| 06:50.48 | vick | Guerin, is that your only argument for JAVA being 'evil' ? |
| 06:50.57 | Guerin | tuv: unless you get some .edu license or something, maybe |
| 06:51.50 | tuv | Guerin, what about the sun-java5-source package in debian? |
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| 06:51.58 | tuv | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.58 | tuv | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.04 | woodgrain | debian is cool. |
| 06:52.27 | Guerin | tuv: can one build a jre from it? |
| 06:52.39 | insmod | Guerin: what you want java ? |
| 06:52.43 | vick | I am using debian "testing", does it differ in not being able to find eclipse package ? |
| 06:52.44 | karsten | Blackhold: While you're at it, post /var/log/Xorg.0.log online |
| 06:52.45 | Guerin | insmod: no |
| 06:52.45 | tuv | Guerin, oh.. you're talking about the virtual machine then |
| 06:52.49 | karsten | !tell Blackhold about paster |
| 06:52.51 | Guerin | tuv: yeah. |
| 06:52.56 | insmod | Guerin: then ? |
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| 06:53.23 | karsten | vick: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html |
| 06:53.26 | Blackhold | karsten: I restarted the gdm and appeared that message: GDM: Xserver not found:/usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -dpi 96 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt8 Error: command could not be executed! |
| 06:53.26 | Guerin | insmod: sun java is not free. Not sure why this is such a tricky thing for people to grasp. |
| 06:53.30 | karsten | vick: RMS's issues with Java. |
| 06:53.44 | karsten | Blackhold: Right. Kill gdm. |
| 06:53.59 | Blackhold | karsten: I don't know how to copy things to one console to the other :( |
| 06:54.03 | karsten | Blackhold: X isn't starting. GDM can't connect to a server that's not there. So now to start X by its lonesome. |
| 06:54.07 | karsten | Blackhold: gpm or screen. |
| 06:54.07 | tuv | Guerin, because sun does distribute some source code for java! |
| 06:54.10 | Blackhold | karsten: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 06:54.14 | karsten | Blackhold: yes. |
| 06:54.15 | insmod | Guerin: i know - but i thaght you had question -- well some sun is |
| 06:54.30 | Guerin | tuv: woo. |
| 06:54.30 | karsten | Blackhold: gpm == console mouse. screen == console multiplexer allowing cut'n'paste. |
| 06:54.43 | karsten | Blackhold: Install those + w3m while you're at it. Know how to use vim? |
| 06:54.57 | Blackhold | karsten: the basical |
| 06:55.06 | Blackhold | apt-get install w3m ? |
| 06:55.24 | karsten | Blackhold: aptitude install screen gpm w3m |
| 06:55.25 | Blackhold | the maximum is how to cut a line |
| 06:55.32 | insmod | tuv: they give code but not the current |
| 06:55.42 | karsten | Blackhold: OK, so long as you can edit, save, and quit, we're good. |
| 06:55.52 | tuv | insmod, yes it's current, but not complete |
| 06:55.53 | Blackhold | ok |
| 06:55.54 | karsten | !tell Blackhold about aptitude |
| 06:56.01 | Blackhold | I'm gonna install it |
| 06:56.10 | karsten | Blackhold: aptitude is very similar to apt-get (on commandline) but has a few benefits. Use it. |
| 06:56.21 | Blackhold | I accept? |
| 06:56.23 | insmod | tuv: no -- not beta or testing -- anyway i dont care |
| 06:56.25 | tuv | insmod, every time you download the jdk from sun you get src.zip |
| 06:56.31 | karsten | Blackhold: Accept installation, yes. |
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| 06:56.43 | Blackhold | well working... |
| 06:56.43 | karsten | Blackhold: Would spanish be easier for you? There's #debian-es |
| 06:56.50 | insmod | tuv: don't care |
| 06:56.54 | tuv | insmod, you get the source of what you're downloading/running |
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| 06:57.11 | Blackhold | karsten: yep, but all together are sleeping or in the school or work |
| 06:57.16 | Blackhold | I usually enter there |
| 06:57.23 | karsten | Blackhold: OK. |
| 06:57.26 | Blackhold | well, all the time I enter to IRC |
| 06:57.27 | Blackhold | :) |
| 06:57.27 | tuv | insmod, you care about not caring :) |
| 06:57.43 | insmod | tuv: yes i do |
| 06:58.22 | tuv | insmod, hey.. so long as i can use it freely, me too |
| 06:58.31 | karsten | bbiam |
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| 06:59.17 | Blackhold | karsten: it says me that x11r6 can't be removed 'cause it is not empty |
| 06:59.42 | insmod | tuv: :) your wrong -- but do i |
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| 07:00.19 | karsten | Blackhold: Um. What? |
| 07:00.23 | tuv | insmod, wrong about what? |
| 07:00.40 | karsten | Blackhold: What packages were removed? |
| 07:00.47 | Blackhold | karsten: configuration of X11-common |
| 07:00.51 | Blackhold | no no |
| 07:00.59 | insmod | tuv: it is closed in most aspect -- current stuff -- but yes i use java |
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| 07:01.21 | Blackhold | the configuration of that package says me that could not continue 'cause the X11R6 folder is not empty |
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| 07:01.47 | karsten | Blackhold: Full path of directory? |
| 07:01.52 | karsten | Blackhold: Please specify. |
| 07:02.31 | Blackhold | I go to /usr/X11R6 and there aare a lot of files |
| 07:02.46 | Blackhold | the configuration of package gives me a message |
| 07:02.54 | tuv | insmod, i'm not wrong, but by current you're referring to something different than what i mean. you mean dev. source while i meant the source for the binary you're downloading, or part of it |
| 07:03.00 | karsten | Blackhold: Um. That wasn't what I asked. Give me the precise message regarding the directory being deleted. |
| 07:03.08 | Blackhold | that tried to remove the directory but could not, 'cause it has files inside |
| 07:03.23 | insmod | tuv: yes |
| 07:03.40 | insmod | tuv: anyway I don't care |
| 07:03.44 | vick | ~java |
| 07:03.50 | apt | java is probably at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com, or see the ... |
| 07:03.50 | vick | !java |
| 07:03.50 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 07:03.54 | karsten | Blackhold: *WHAT* *DIRECTORY* ? |
| 07:04.04 | tuv | insmod, i got that already.. you said it enough times |
| 07:04.13 | vick | !eclipse |
| 07:04.14 | dpkg | eclipse is, like, the end of the world, or an awesome extensible IDE written in Java. http://www.eclipse.org/, or get it from unstable |
| 07:04.29 | cydork | vick: /msg the bot |
| 07:04.38 | vick | cydork, oh ok sorry |
| 07:04.52 | vick | cydork, you wouldn't know of a clean way to get eclipse from unstable ? |
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| 07:04.55 | g0th | hi |
| 07:05.29 | tuv | vick, apt-pinning |
| 07:06.02 | vick | tuv, i looked up on it, but everytime i dont succed |
| 07:06.12 | Blackhold | karsten: cannot remove /usr/X11R6/bin directory, This upgrade requires that the /usr/X11R6/bin directory be removed and replaced with a symlink. An attempt was made to do so, but it failed, most likely because the directory is not yet empty |
| 07:06.17 | g0th | I accidently specified to keep my old config files when I did an upgrade of apache2 and even deleted all .dpkg-dist files, is there a way to let debian rerun the whole upgrade and replace the files by the new config file? |
| 07:06.20 | cydork | vick: which version of debian are you using? |
| 07:06.32 | cydork | !tell g0th about confmiss |
| 07:06.45 | vick | cydork, "testing" or "etch" |
| 07:06.51 | karsten | Blackhold: Thanks. Odd. |
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| 07:06.58 | cydork | g0th: wait nm what i said |
| 07:07.13 | Blackhold | Odd? |
| 07:07.18 | karsten | Blackhold: What version of Debian are you running? What's in /usr/X11R6/bin/ ? |
| 07:07.29 | Blackhold | etch |
| 07:07.29 | g0th | cydork: hmm? |
| 07:07.52 | cydork | vick: then you can try apt-pinning as tuv said or simple sid backport |
| 07:07.56 | karsten | Blackhold: 'aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade' See if you can't get your system sorted out first. |
| 07:07.56 | Blackhold | 3 files |
| 07:08.02 | karsten | Blackhold: What 3? |
| 07:08.19 | Blackhold | nconvert nview & xnview |
| 07:08.23 | vick | !tell vick about apt-pinning |
| 07:08.27 | cydork | g0th: just --purge and reinstall. |
| 07:08.39 | g0th | cydork: won't that remove all my config files? |
| 07:08.51 | Blackhold | 1,3, 1,2 & 3,0 Mb each one |
| 07:08.58 | Fox_1_ | am i understan wright - ia64 is for 64 bit? |
| 07:09.04 | Xorm | holy crap. |
| 07:09.11 | Xorm | I'm listening to my harddrive |
| 07:09.17 | cydork | g0th: isn't that you want to do right? sorry i am just waking up :P |
| 07:09.17 | g0th | cydork: I mean: when apt informs me of new configuration files, it takes into account the existing ones and maybe even the settings in them? |
| 07:09.18 | Xorm | cat /dev/hda >> /dev/dsp |
| 07:09.28 | pitillo | xD |
| 07:09.41 | g0th | cydork: so first I won't know which files were updated and which not |
| 07:09.47 | karsten | Blackhold: Do you have libs11n0 installed? If so, can you try removing that? |
| 07:10.18 | cydork | g0th: it checks the md5 to see if they are changed. if they have changed it wont touch them. |
| 07:10.38 | karsten | Blackhold: You can reinstall it afterwards, should get us through this. |
| 07:10.44 | g0th | but with purge there is nothing to compare ^^ |
| 07:10.46 | Blackhold | karsten: I think that no |
| 07:11.02 | cydork | g0th: you can check which files are updated by checking /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2.md5sums |
| 07:11.03 | Blackhold | karsten: and if I rename this folder to bin2 |
| 07:11.08 | Blackhold | and retry the installation? |
| 07:11.08 | Fox_1_ | or i must download amd64 version? |
| 07:11.14 | Blackhold | are important these 3 files? |
| 07:11.24 | karsten | Blackhold: They're not very important. |
| 07:11.28 | Blackhold | ok |
| 07:11.35 | Blackhold | then I try to do that |
| 07:11.46 | karsten | Blackhold: I think they're all part of one package. You can do: dpkg -S < full path to file > to find the associated package. |
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| 07:12.27 | Blackhold | well, it worked |
| 07:12.31 | karsten | Blackhold: I'd remove the package(s), install the ones I told you about, let /usr/X11R6/bin/ get moved, then reinstall the library. Something else may depend on it though, which is why I asked. |
| 07:12.36 | karsten | Blackhold: What worked? |
| 07:13.07 | Blackhold | the aptitude that you told me after |
| 07:13.16 | Blackhold | I try to start gdm then? |
| 07:13.24 | karsten | Blackhold: No. |
| 07:13.38 | karsten | Blackhold: 'startx 2>&1 | tee startx.log' From console. |
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| 07:13.50 | Blackhold | ok |
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| 07:14.10 | karsten | Blackhold: Either that works, or it doesn't and we've got more to look at WRT errors. |
| 07:14.15 | g0th | cydork: so what do I do to find out which files have changed? |
| 07:14.19 | Blackhold | ok |
| 07:14.29 | g0th | the file you mention shows nothing usefull |
| 07:14.31 | karsten | Blackhold: run it. |
| 07:14.58 | g0th | cydork: or is there no way? |
| 07:15.05 | Blackhold | startx command not found :S |
| 07:15.17 | karsten | Blackhold: OK. |
| 07:15.22 | karsten | !tell Blackhold about setup x |
| 07:15.28 | g0th | cydork: hmm, do you know what changes came from apache2.0 to apache2.2 in the configuration files? |
| 07:15.31 | karsten | Blackhold: Read that factoid and do what it says. |
| 07:15.53 | cydork | g0th: you can check by md5sum -c /var/lib/dpkg/info/some.md5sums |
| 07:16.08 | cydork | g0th: i dont know about changes in conf files .. |
| 07:16.44 | karsten | cydork: /var/lib/<somewhere> tracks those |
| 07:16.57 | g0th | cydork: they show nothing usefull |
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| 07:17.08 | g0th | and the command gives me tons of error messages |
| 07:17.21 | Blackhold | it says me that xserver-xfree86 is do not installed |
| 07:17.26 | Blackhold | then I install it? |
| 07:17.28 | g0th | the .md5sums only contains: copyright, changelog.Debian.gz |
| 07:17.38 | Blackhold | apt-get install xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 07:17.47 | cydork | g0th: that's coz apache2 is a meta package |
| 07:18.06 | cydork | karsten: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ has md5sums |
| 07:18.38 | karsten | cydork: No, conffiles are (sometimes) tracked elsewhere... |
| 07:18.50 | g0th | cydork: no /etc/ files are mentioned anywhere |
| 07:18.53 | cydork | karsten: hmm let me check |
| 07:18.58 | g0th | cydork: I only care about the configuration files |
| 07:19.09 | g0th | because I want to upgrade them to apache 2.2 |
| 07:19.29 | cydork | g0th: you can even check it with debsums. man debsums |
| 07:19.43 | g0th | No manual entry for debsums |
| 07:19.45 | g0th | anyway |
| 07:19.46 | pitillo | Blackhold, is etch using xfree86 or may be xorg? |
| 07:19.55 | g0th | the md5sums have no entry about the etc files |
| 07:20.21 | g0th | installing debsums now |
| 07:20.24 | g0th | but won't help I think |
| 07:20.26 | karsten | cydork: /var/lib/<packagename> |
| 07:20.42 | karsten | cydork: but very nonuniformly. |
| 07:21.06 | g0th | yes debsums is no help |
| 07:21.13 | karsten | cydork: /var/lib/dpkg/info has lists of conffiles but not checksums or contents. |
| 07:21.15 | Blackhold | grrr now it says me that could not install 'cause are dependencies unsolved |
| 07:21.24 | Blackhold | but making a apt-get -f install |
| 07:21.28 | Blackhold | makes error |
| 07:21.33 | Blackhold | and don't continues |
| 07:21.36 | karsten | Blackhold: What error? |
| 07:21.38 | cydork | karsten: oh ok |
| 07:21.43 | karsten | Blackhold: Precise errors are useful to know. |
| 07:21.46 | Blackhold | aptitude... |
| 07:21.52 | Blackhold | I should use aptitude... |
| 07:21.59 | karsten | Blackhold: run: 'dpkg --configure -a' |
| 07:22.19 | karsten | Blackhold: ... then 'aptitude -f install' |
| 07:22.25 | karsten | Blackhold: Should sort out apt. |
| 07:22.30 | g0th | karsten: how do I get the conf file difference between 2 versions of a package? |
| 07:22.39 | karsten | g0th: I don't know;. |
| 07:22.51 | g0th | or how do I rerun the installation procedure as if nothing happened? |
| 07:23.07 | g0th | ie. such that I'm asked again if I want to replace the conf files |
| 07:23.10 | g0th | etc |
| 07:23.33 | g0th | or simply: how do I get the conf files from debian? |
| 07:23.45 | karsten | g0th: 'dpkg --reconfigure' generally reconfigures stuff. "-plow" may get you to basics. |
| 07:23.59 | cydork | karsten: check the /var/lib/dpkg/info it has some entries about conffiles too. i just checked |
| 07:24.14 | Blackhold | aptitude found errors at process some packages |
| 07:24.25 | karsten | cydork: I think I just told you this. |
| 07:24.28 | cydork | karsten: no wait it doesn't have info about all the conf files. |
| 07:24.30 | Blackhold | a page of 1024x768 lines |
| 07:24.32 | karsten | Blackhold: What packages. |
| 07:24.39 | Blackhold | uh... |
| 07:24.45 | Blackhold | I can copy from a console? |
| 07:25.00 | karsten | Blackhold: Using gpm or screen. Or 'tee' to a file. |
| 07:25.02 | g0th | karsten: reconfigure didn't do anything :( |
| 07:25.12 | karsten | g0th: Feh. I'm guessing here, sorry. |
| 07:25.39 | Blackhold | libg11-mesa-dri, xserver-xorg-*, X11-common, xlibmesa-dri |
| 07:25.48 | pitillo | Blackhold, did you try to do what karsten said before? update and dist-upgrade? |
| 07:25.58 | karsten | pitillo: apparently aptitude / dpkg errors. |
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| 07:26.13 | karsten | pitillo: a bit of a language barrier here. en <=> es |
| 07:26.18 | Blackhold | pitillo: I'm a little afraid to do a dist-upgrad |
| 07:26.24 | Blacken | Is it possible to make Synaptic (and debconf) look for a KDE/QT frontend instead of going to a dialog box as soon as its search for GNOME fails? |
| 07:26.26 | g0th | ouff |
| 07:26.28 | Blackhold | this is the work place machine |
| 07:26.33 | g0th | ok I guess I have to guess then |
| 07:26.42 | Blackhold | and if I lost all I kill myself! |
| 07:26.51 | karsten | Blackhold: live server? |
| 07:26.52 | g0th | Is anyone in here familiar with apache2.2? |
| 07:26.53 | pitillo | karsten, Thinking in deps problems. Last week got something similar and update and dist-upgrade and later, X configuration works in my case. |
| 07:26.59 | Blackhold | today I could not saw the mails yet :S |
| 07:27.08 | Blackhold | karsten: is my computer |
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| 07:27.18 | Blackhold | I have installed a debian as a desktop computer |
| 07:27.25 | karsten | Blackhold: Worst comes to worst, boot Knoppix and read mail ;-) |
| 07:27.34 | karsten | Blackhold: ... I've done that. |
| 07:27.41 | pitillo | karsten, sorry for my bad english, I´m here to learn it too :) |
| 07:28.19 | karsten | pitillo: You speak spanish? Blackhold's coming in over rima-tde.net |
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| 07:28.43 | karsten | pitillo: You two might get along better than me ;-) |
| 07:29.08 | Blackhold | karsten: yes I'm from catalonia |
| 07:29.42 | Blackhold | pitillooooo #debian-es || #lostfound plz |
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| 07:30.16 | Blackhold | karsten: I understanded you all the time :) |
| 07:30.30 | Blackhold | the problem is that my level of linux is very poor :( |
| 07:30.46 | karsten | Blackhold: Keep this up and it will improve rapidly. |
| 07:30.47 | Blackhold | shit of X, make run now! |
| 07:31.12 | Blackhold | what? |
| 07:33.13 | pitillo | Blackhold, I think that the problem was deps problems with Xservers. I solved it making what karsten said. Can not help too much. |
| 07:33.59 | karsten | Blackhold: If it helps: it's very hard to really mess up a Debian system (short of manually deleting things), and pretty easy to recover. |
| 07:34.15 | karsten | Blackhold: You may have a box that doesn't do much for a while, but you're not going to lose configurations or data. |
| 07:34.18 | Blacken | karsten: As opposed to my last Ubuntu install, I should hope. >_> |
| 07:34.24 | karsten | Blackhold: So don't let fear hold you back. |
| 07:34.45 | karsten | Blackhold: Mind: manually blowing away large portions of your filesystem is _not_ a good idea. |
| 07:34.48 | Blacken | GNOME broke hard. |
| 07:34.58 | karsten | Blacken: GNOME's good for that. |
| 07:35.34 | Blacken | karsten: And not a lot else, I know. When I tried to start a GNOME session my panels would appear, but get angry and blinky and the system would hang. Not just X, but the whole thing. |
| 07:35.51 | karsten | Blacken: Impressive. |
| 07:36.10 | Blacken | karsten: Sucks. I liked gdm more than kdm. |
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| 07:36.32 | Xorm | I like gdm. |
| 07:36.38 | karsten | Blacken: Um. I'd hardly make a display manager the basis for my desktop choice. |
| 07:36.45 | Xorm | haha |
| 07:37.05 | Xorm | bubai now |
| 07:37.05 | Blacken | karsten: That is why I'm sticking with KDE... |
| 07:37.09 | Blackhold | I think that I'm gonna copy all my /home |
| 07:37.18 | Blacken | karsten: I just like the greeter more than KDE's, that's all. :p |
| 07:37.19 | Blackhold | and reinstall debian again |
| 07:37.32 | karsten | Blackhold: I think you're making a mistake. Your call. |
| 07:37.56 | Blackhold | there's not invented a way to reinstall debian keeping the home? |
| 07:38.19 | Blacken | Blackhold: I agree with Karsten. You can usually fix a Debian system. You'll have to reconfigure a lot if you reinstall. But it's your call. |
| 07:38.22 | Blackhold | karsten: I haven't enough level to solve complicated configuration problems |
| 07:38.23 | Blackhold | :( |
| 07:38.38 | karsten | Blackhold: Starting with following instructions or answering questions. |
| 07:38.47 | Blackhold | well then |
| 07:38.57 | Blackhold | how I solve that problem with the dependencies? |
| 07:39.13 | Blacken | Blackhold: I came in late. Can you tell me what the dependency issues are? |
| 07:39.42 | tuv | debian makes it easy to achieve two types of records: uptimes and time since the system was installed :) |
| 07:39.59 | karsten | tuv: ... on another machine three generations ago ;-) |
| 07:40.14 | tuv | only if my harddrive didn't break :( |
| 07:41.07 | tuv | and if warranty people don't solve every problem with system recovery :(( |
| 07:42.32 | tuv | karsten, i'll beat some day.. after that machine breaks of course, god forbids.. |
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| 07:42.34 | Fox_1_ | does debian sarge support sata hard drives? |
| 07:42.41 | tuv | karsten, beat you... |
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| 07:43.44 | tralala | Fox_1_: linux does |
| 07:44.03 | Fox_1_ | i ask about debian sarge |
| 07:44.21 | Blacken | Fox_1_: What kernel are you running? |
| 07:44.33 | tuv | Fox_1_, if it doesn't you can install a newer backported kernel and it will, but not sure if it does on its own |
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| 07:44.47 | tralala | Fox_1_: debian sarge comes with linux 2.6.8 - it supports some sata chipsets. If yours is not supported you can have a more recent kernel. |
| 07:44.56 | karsten | tuv: beat me longer and harder! |
| 07:45.02 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:45.02 | dpkg | i guess qotd138 is <PerfDave> tkooda: SO READ THE FUCKING MANUAL FOR THE FUCKING THING YOU'RE FUCKING WELL UPGRADING TO, YOU FUCKING MORON! |
| 07:45.08 | Blackhold | libgl1-mesa-dri, xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-video-vmware, xsever-xorg-video-savage, xserver-xorg-input-fbdev, xserver-xorg-video-glint, xserver-xorg-video-all, xserver-xorg-video-imstt, xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, xserver-xorg-video-vesa, xserver-xorg-video-rendition, xserver-xorg-video-dummy, xserver-xorg-video-sisusb, xserver-xorg-video-tdfx, xserver-xorg-video-ark, xserver-xorg-video-cirrus, x11-common, xserver-xorg-video |
| 07:45.17 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: you can just use a kernel that supports the one you have? |
| 07:45.38 | Blacken | Blackhold: Okay, so drop into a terminal, remove the entire X package, reinstall it. |
| 07:45.44 | Fox_1_ | i have only one sata hdd |
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| 07:45.50 | Blackhold | how? |
| 07:45.50 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: but which controller? |
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| 07:46.01 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: can you tell use the pci id? see lspci and lspci -n |
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| 07:46.04 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: it's in pciutils |
| 07:46.11 | Blackhold | Blacken: how I do it? |
| 07:46.19 | Blackhold | what removes the x? |
| 07:46.22 | Blacken | Blackhold: I don't remember the exact packages. Look them up. |
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| 07:46.29 | pitillo | Blackhold, don´t go by the windowz way.. reinstall isn´t the way. Try what karsten said, and you will get xorg instead of xfree. etch is moving on too. |
| 07:46.30 | ViperXL75 | Euh, guys? How do i define under which user Apache2 will use to access the web-files? Cuz i'm uploading the files using another username, and apache seems to access them using the root account.... |
| 07:46.47 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: i haven't debian installed in my comp. |
| 07:46.47 | Blacken | ViperXL75: It should use "nobody" |
| 07:46.51 | Blackhold | I'm on etch |
| 07:47.00 | Blackhold | and i have xorg nor xfree86 |
| 07:47.03 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: try the etch installer? |
| 07:47.16 | Blacken | pitillo: Dude. Linux elitism to off. We're trying to get it to WORK, not to be l33t. |
| 07:47.20 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: it'll be out very soon anyways... so if it's just your one computer go with etch |
| 07:47.23 | tuv | ViperXL75, apache usually uses the www-data user |
| 07:47.26 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: i need amd64 version |
| 07:47.32 | Blackhold | if I cannot solve it in a hour |
| 07:47.33 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: etch also supports amd64 |
| 07:47.33 | Blacken | tuv: Seriously? Mine uses "nobody". |
| 07:47.33 | tuv | ViperXL75, not root |
| 07:47.37 | Blackhold | I have to reinstall it |
| 07:47.41 | Blackhold | will be faster |
| 07:47.44 | Blackhold | I have to work... |
| 07:47.47 | pitillo | Blacken, sorry man, don´t understand that. |
| 07:48.16 | tralala | there is even sarge amd64 and although it's unofficial I'm happily using it for over an year now. |
| 07:48.16 | tuv | Blacken, who is the owner of /var/www? |
| 07:48.19 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: ok, i'll download etch for amd64 |
| 07:48.22 | Blacken | pitillo: It's simple. "don't go by the windowz way" is misguided elitism. He needs a working system, not a system that passes muster with the leet linux gods. |
| 07:48.29 | pitillo | Blackhold, you don´t learn in that way. Give a try to dist-upgrade and if you crash your system, do that. |
| 07:48.30 | ViperXL75 | ViperXL75 hmm.... |
| 07:48.36 | Blacken | tuv: root |
| 07:48.37 | ViperXL75 | searching the apache2.conf file |
| 07:48.45 | Blackhold | ok |
| 07:48.48 | Blackhold | apt-get update |
| 07:48.53 | Blackhold | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:48.55 | Blackhold | so the |
| 07:48.56 | pitillo | Blacken, if you need a working system don´t use testing |
| 07:48.59 | Blackhold | then* try |
| 07:49.07 | Blackhold | will cross the fingers... |
| 07:49.11 | tuv | Blacken, hmm.. strange.. either it was manually modified, or an add-on apache package modified it |
| 07:49.13 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: must os has something like support for dual core? |
| 07:49.18 | Blacken | pitillo: Obviously, I don't use it. |
| 07:49.29 | ViperXL75 | by the way... I think i still have to install PHP |
| 07:49.31 | Blacken | Fox_1_: Install a SMP kernel and you'll have support. |
| 07:49.31 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: i don't think so |
| 07:49.37 | pitillo | someone said yestarday something interesting. "How to build a webserver with sid" |
| 07:49.38 | ViperXL75 | apt-get install php ? |
| 07:49.38 | pitillo | xD |
| 07:49.50 | Blacken | pitillo: It's not hard, and sid's stable enough for most people. |
| 07:49.58 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau <-> Blacken :) |
| 07:50.01 | Blackhold | pitillo: I could not make the dist upgrade 'cause are unsolved dependencies |
| 07:50.06 | ViperXL75 | saw ppl building webservers using Xbox1 |
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| 07:50.28 | Blacken | Blackhold: Kludge, but try it before you give up and reinstall. apt-get remove xserver*, apt-get install xserver* |
| 07:50.35 | Blackhold | and with apt-get install -f don't resolve it |
| 07:50.40 | Blacken | (It's worked for me before, but so very, very bad) |
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| 07:50.56 | Blacken | pitillo: It'd help if sarge wasn't so bloody OUTDATED. I run Kubuntu on a server just so I can get modern packages. |
| 07:51.10 | Blacken | pitillo: I can't fault people for running sid. |
| 07:51.38 | tuv | Blacken, testing is more recent and stable than ubuntu, if you don't mine the frequent updates |
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| 07:51.58 | Blackhold | I'm using aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 07:51.58 | pitillo | Blacken, not understand how to build a webserver for a productive enviroment using sid. People is free to do that, I´m sure I dont do it. :) |
| 07:52.27 | Blacken | tuv: Like I said, Ubuntu shredded my server; I'm running a bunged-in Debian stable system until Etch comes along. But there are things stable lacks. |
| 07:52.41 | Blacken | pitillo: It's not unstable, really. |
| 07:52.43 | Blackhold | pitillo: but what will happen if could not install the unsolved dependencies? |
| 07:52.46 | Blacken | pitillo: It's just...fun. |
| 07:53.15 | pitillo | Blacken, I were using sid a bit.. and isn´t quite fun if you aren´t a developer. :) |
| 07:53.28 | tuv | Blacken, if you run testing now then you'll be running like stable-beta as etch is going to be released soon |
| 07:53.55 | Blackhold | and I have some questions about the name |
| 07:54.10 | pitillo | Blackhold, try to force it or remove some dep wich can be making the conflict. And then re-do the distupgrade |
| 07:54.11 | Blackhold | the next stable version will be called etch or something more? |
| 07:54.14 | Blacken | tuv: And so is Ubuntu Eft...what's the benefit of Debian over that? ;) (I'm just yanking yer chain, relax.) |
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| 07:54.26 | sep | Blacken, just make sure you use etch, and not testing, since testing might get a lot of transitional breakage when etch releases |
| 07:54.49 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: i couldn't find my sata controller model, but i can say my motherboard model. is that help? |
| 07:54.51 | Blacken | sep: Like I said...I'm sticking with what I *know* works, rather than what I'm told works. |
| 07:54.51 | pitillo | Blackhold, the next stable will be etch, new name for testing I think. (like was with woody-sarge) |
| 07:55.24 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: yes |
| 07:55.26 | sep | Blacken, same as me i run all production gear on stable |
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| 07:55.30 | tuv | Blacken, hey.. i do install ubuntu for some people you know.. frequent testing updates are not suitable for everyone |
| 07:55.36 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe |
| 07:55.45 | tuv | Blacken, and stable is not meant for the desktop |
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| 07:56.23 | sep | tuv, stable is excelent on the desktop. we have about 500 desktops with it. and it never breaks |
| 07:56.24 | Blacken | tuv: I know. Ubuntu is. :D I don't think I could use debian on my desktop. I'd take to the streets with an assault rifle. Too much hassle. |
| 07:56.24 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: ok, never seen that... |
| 07:57.09 | craigevil | running sid isn't that complicated, keep an eye on the use mailing list and use apt-listbugs |
| 07:57.45 | tuv | sep, well in situations with this many pcs it's probably a good idea to use stable, but if i install it on my laptop i will be using 50% of it only :) |
| 07:57.48 | Blacken | craigevil: I think my point was that for a desktop machine a user can't be expected to do that. |
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| 07:58.06 | Fox_1_ | Blacken: which version i must download and then install SMP kernel for amd64 x2 |
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| 07:58.09 | craigevil | i ve used sid as my desktop for over 2 yrs |
| 07:58.12 | tuv | Blacken, i'm using debian testing on my laptop for two years now! |
| 07:58.20 | Blacken | Fox_1_: I don't know. You can always search. |
| 07:58.25 | sep | tuv, naturally for my desktop i use etch too. :) |
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| 07:58.29 | craigevil | only ran into a couple of problems, like the issue with O right now |
| 07:58.41 | Blacken | tuv, craigevil: You guys are both not J. Random Luser, though. |
| 07:59.20 | tuv | Blacken, i have no rifle too :) |
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| 07:59.36 | Blacken | tuv: I own too many firearms to risk it. :P |
| 07:59.52 | craigevil | running testing or sid is still much better than using *buntu |
| 07:59.58 | Blacken | craigevil: Oh? Why? |
| 08:00.35 | craigevil | for one thing changing your sources.list for every release is a pain |
| 08:00.40 | Blacken | craigevil: See...I had a machine that Just Worked in under an hour. I spent maybe 2-3 hours customizing it in ways desktop (or laptop) users generally wouldn't. I was then done. |
| 08:00.45 | tuv | craigevil, you make it sound like running etch or sid is.. well.. |
| 08:00.50 | craigevil | plus ubunut ties too many things up in dependencies |
| 08:00.50 | Fox_1_ | 3.1_r3 = etch ?? |
| 08:01.04 | cydork | Fox_1_: nope. etch 4 |
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| 08:01.20 | Blacken | craigevil: ROFL. Changing sources.list? Yet you have no problem with monitoring *mailing lists* and using apt-listbugs. |
| 08:01.25 | Blacken | Your priorities are NOT straight, suh. |
| 08:01.42 | Blacken | two seconds with sed and sources.list is happy. |
| 08:01.44 | craigevil | netinstaller for testing took me 30 minutes to install and another 30 mminutes to dist-upgrade to sid |
| 08:02.03 | jzu_ | The following packages will be upgraded: kernel-image-2.4.27-3-sparc64-smp |
| 08:02.10 | Fox_1_ | cydork: from whare can i downlaod? |
| 08:02.21 | Blacken | craigevil: I don't buy that...I don't think you could download a desktop environment that quickly, let alone unpack and install it. |
| 08:02.22 | jzu_ | how I can set that that packege it not going to be upgraded? |
| 08:02.23 | craigevil | sorry i wouldnt recommend *buntu to anyone |
| 08:02.35 | tuv | Blacken, it is true |
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| 08:02.57 | cydork | Fox_1_: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:02.58 | tuv | Blacken, i installed testing on two machines withing an hour |
| 08:03.03 | laza | Hi! Since two days I get a warning from chkrootkit on my system about "suspicious files" /lib/init/rw/.ramfs . Is this a known false positive or something to worry about? |
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| 08:03.29 | Blacken | Desktops should be easy to use...Debian isn't. Debian is definitely my choice for a server environment (I'd use Gentoo but I like having working computers), but it's too bloody complex for me to bother with when I can let people who are, if not smarter than me, at least paid to keep track of the things do 'em. |
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| 08:03.56 | Blacken | Canonical's support of Ubuntu is a big reason why I like it. Things get done. I love Debian, but I don't like the politics involved. |
| 08:03.56 | Guerin | depends what you need to do |
| 08:04.14 | Guerin | well, see |
| 08:04.19 | Guerin | that's the problem with ubuntu |
| 08:04.24 | Guerin | it's not a solid platform |
| 08:04.32 | cydork | Blacken: ubuntu is off-topic here :) |
| 08:04.37 | Fox_1_ | cydork: thanks |
| 08:04.40 | Blackhold | I could not delete the dependences |
| 08:04.51 | Blackhold | nor using apt-get -f install nor apt-get -f remove |
| 08:04.54 | Guerin | you get the worst aspect of stable and unstable: six-months of outdated software, or a constantly broken environment |
| 08:05.06 | Blacken | cydork: And its relationship and benefits/detriments when compared to Debian is, too? Interesting. |
| 08:05.08 | Guerin | ubuntu's unstable is *far* more broken than sid, ime |
| 08:05.14 | tuv | Blacken, what is it exactly that you find difficult in debian? |
| 08:05.39 | Guerin | Blacken: the reason being that we get lots of ubuntu users in here asking for support, thinking 'ubuntu and debian are the same' |
| 08:06.02 | Blacken | Guerin: They're stupid people. You get stupid people everywhere. |
| 08:06.13 | Guerin | Blacken: you don't need to tell me. |
| 08:06.19 | cydork | heh |
| 08:06.38 | tuv | :) |
| 08:06.55 | Guerin | i offered my wife the choice of ubuntu or etch, and she chose etch |
| 08:07.09 | Blackhold | Blacken: like minister of culture of spain, that tells to bill gates to have ñ in the url websites... |
| 08:07.15 | Guerin | decided that if the gui configurators weren't up to configurating EVERYTHING they weren't worth bothering with |
| 08:07.19 | tuv | Guerin, if you have to deal with too many stupid people, you have to move ! |
| 08:07.24 | Blacken | tuv: I don't find it difficult, I find it obnoxious to manage that kind of dreck myself. I have a computer that can do some staggering number of calculations per second and a 'net line that's almost seventy times faster than my first connection--it should handle that kind of tiresome crap for me. :P |
| 08:07.51 | Guerin | Blacken: what sort of stuff, though? |
| 08:07.56 | ViperXL75 | where do i find (or change) user accounts for debian.... or where do i get a hold of the "www-data" user? |
| 08:08.01 | Guerin | i have about 20 minutes setup to do on a blank debian box |
| 08:08.15 | Guerin | ViperXL75: you don't need to. |
| 08:08.28 | Guerin | ViperXL75: if you have to ask how, it's not something you should be doing. |
| 08:08.46 | tuv | Blacken, i still can't see what is easier in ubuntu than in debian |
| 08:08.58 | Blacken | Guerin: Package management, updating, etc etc. I realize that Debian can be configured to notify for updates, go through the same motions that come standard with *buntu (this may have changed recently, but my last install of Debian for that kind of mucking around, a sarge install in vmware, didn't offer that out of the box). |
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| 08:09.14 | cydork | Blacken: package management?? |
| 08:09.15 | Guerin | Blacken: that sort of thing takes about 30 seconds a week |
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| 08:09.23 | Guerin | Blacken: and is no better on ubuntu than debian |
| 08:09.41 | ViperXL75 | hmm... |
| 08:09.44 | Blacken | Guerin: Debian didn't notify *me* when new packages were ready, though. Does it now? |
| 08:10.12 | Guerin | Blacken: sarge doesn't get new updates, except security. Aptitude install cron-apt and it'll do it for you. |
| 08:10.12 | Blacken | Guerin: I don't care if it takes thirty seconds a week. It's something that should be done for a desktop user. Especially because I have a lot of desktops/laptops that I have to deal with. :P |
| 08:10.39 | Guerin | Blacken: no, i disagree that automatic updates should be the default. |
| 08:10.41 | craigevil | Gnome has that option, part of the reason ubuntu does is that it uses Adept |
| 08:10.42 | tuv | Blacken, debian has many ways of notifying you, so it leaves you the choice of using which |
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| 08:10.53 | Trewas | tuv: at least for laptops various acpi/powermanagement stuff is a bit more "integrated" than in debian |
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| 08:11.02 | arod | control-alt-+ combo (switch X resolution) doesn't work anymore with my sid. can anybody confirm that? |
| 08:11.07 | tuv | Trewas, how recent is your info? |
| 08:11.13 | Blacken | tuv: And that's not good for *users*. That's good for power users, people like you. It's not good for users, who are the people *I* am stuck dealing with. |
| 08:11.16 | Guerin | arod: several people been complaining about that |
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| 08:11.28 | arod | Guerin: is there a bug about that? |
| 08:11.37 | sep | Blacken, but you are the admin, you install what packagenotifier you want your users to use. and thy use it |
| 08:11.42 | Guerin | Blacken: ok, so basically, your whole beef with debian is that it's not ubuntu: ie, it doesn't make decisions for you. |
| 08:11.46 | Blacken | sep: I do for-pay tech support at work. |
| 08:11.47 | Guerin | arod: you can check. |
| 08:11.50 | tuv | Trewas, i have two laptops at home one is ubuntu and one is debian testing. believe me, debian is ahead since it's more recent |
| 08:11.52 | infoclog | i get an error message: CUPS server could not be contacted, what could be the problem ? |
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| 08:11.57 | cydork | Trewas: it works quite well with 2.6.17 with etch now days. |
| 08:11.57 | Blacken | sep: for college students who own their own machines. |
| 08:11.58 | arod | Guerin: didn't find any |
| 08:12.07 | Guerin | arod: then what makes you think I would?> |
| 08:12.17 | tuv | Blacken, the current etch installer installs update-notifier by default when installing the desktop task |
| 08:12.18 | sep | Blacken, so you can recomend a package notifier for them |
| 08:12.22 | ViperXL75 | Guerin: but the problem is, that i have to FTP into the /var/www folder and put the index.html file |
| 08:12.35 | Blacken | tuv: Ah, good. I didn't know that. |
| 08:12.39 | ViperXL75 | so that apache can read it. Right now when i try that, apache can't read it. |
| 08:12.42 | Blacken | sep: I can. How many are going to do anything about it? |
| 08:12.47 | Guerin | ViperXL75: what happened to plain old cp? |
| 08:12.53 | Guerin | ViperXL75: as root, I mean |
| 08:12.54 | Blacken | I'll be the first to admit that I don't treat Linux with the almighty holy reverence. I set *buntu up with /home on a separate partition. If a user screws up the base install--it's just a reformat and reinstall of / away. |
| 08:12.57 | ViperXL75 | cp? |
| 08:13.09 | Guerin | Blacken: that's sane |
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| 08:13.21 | sep | Blacken, very wise |
| 08:13.22 | Guerin | ViperXL75: yeah. cp index.html /var/www/ |
| 08:13.27 | ViperXL75 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.32 | Guerin | ViperXL75: no ftp required |
| 08:13.37 | Guerin | !ftpmustdie |
| 08:13.37 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 08:13.54 | Guerin | ViperXL75: you probably want to file that ^ before you go installing a ftpd |
| 08:14.38 | ViperXL75 | can i read about 'cp' too? |
| 08:14.56 | tuv | Blacken, and there is the excellent cron-apt |
| 08:14.57 | Blacken | A lot of college students, especially in CS and New Media, want Linux because they have to know about it. I use *buntu for them 'cause it's set up very quickly on my end. For anything where reliability matters, of course I use something else. :P |
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| 08:15.14 | Blacken | tuv: Yes. Which takes configuration, time, and more effort than it's worth when I'm making $15/hr. |
| 08:15.54 | Trewas | tuv: it was about a year ago I changed a laptop from debian to ubuntu, debian worked fine after tuning frequency scaling / hibernate stuff myself and ubuntu pretty much out of the box. I don't doubt debian has gotten better but so has ubuntu, and their development model allows faster changes (one person can apply fixes to kernel/acpi-support/gnome-power-manager/whatever when needed, no need for many developers to work together when fixing one issua) |
| 08:16.16 | jzu_ | what is best ntp-client for debian? |
| 08:16.18 | ViperXL75 | Guerin: where can i get a hold of info over "cp" ? |
| 08:16.20 | jzu_ | (easiest to configure) |
| 08:16.24 | Blacken | ViperXL75: "man cp" |
| 08:16.26 | Guerin | ViperXL75: man cp |
| 08:16.32 | Blacken | Yeah...Debian was unfriendly with my laptop's hibernate feature, but it did eventually work. |
| 08:16.39 | Guerin | !grounding |
| 08:16.40 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 08:16.46 | Guerin | ViperXL75: get yer read on |
| 08:16.51 | tuv | jzu_, ntp is ok |
| 08:17.01 | Guerin | Blacken: stock ACPI sleep, or suspend2 or what? |
| 08:17.21 | jzu_ | tuv: ok, it's run always on boot? |
| 08:17.30 | tuv | Blacken, i don't recall configuring it at all.. it works as is. but for your use-case update-notifier might be better |
| 08:17.34 | Blacken | Guerin: whatever's stock. |
| 08:17.49 | Blacken | tuv: You don't seem to understand. I don't install ANYTHING once *buntu is on the box. |
| 08:17.54 | tuv | jzu_, to adjust the clock on boot, install ntpdate. ntp corrects clock drifts only |
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| 08:18.07 | jzu_ | tuv: ok |
| 08:18.14 | Blacken | tuv: I give it to them and I make sure they have my number for when it needs a reinstall. |
| 08:18.28 | sep | Trewas, ofcouse ubuntu gets better when debian gets better. ubuntu is a subset of debian with its own stabilizing system. |
| 08:18.32 | Blacken | tuv: They try to be all l33t h4xx0r on the machines and break 'em. Astonishingly quickly. |
| 08:18.36 | tuv | Blacken, that's why i reverted to update-notifier. it IS installed with the system, not explicitly |
| 08:18.44 | sep | it's just the same thing with a lot of choises premade for you |
| 08:18.46 | Blacken | tuv: It may be *now*. It hasn't been. |
| 08:19.20 | karsten | sep: Like substituting 's' for 'c'? |
| 08:19.20 | Blacken | tuv: I've said--I don't use testing. I didn't know update-notifier was in Debian by default now. |
| 08:19.23 | tuv | Blacken, yeah.. that's what happens with frequent updates :) |
| 08:19.29 | sep | and if that fits your need, that's just great is it not |
| 08:19.54 | Guerin | yeah, i just don't like them choices |
| 08:20.00 | Guerin | like gnome, for starters |
| 08:20.00 | sep | Guerin, :) |
| 08:20.03 | Guerin | and brown |
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| 08:20.33 | tuv | brown was an awful decision.. i bet their users will double if they used another color |
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| 08:20.41 | Blacken | Haha, yes, brown is bad. |
| 08:20.48 | Blacken | Kub = happy lil' blue! |
| 08:20.48 | sep | well i have actualy never installed ubuntu myself, so i am the worst to comment |
| 08:21.15 | Blacken | Guerin: Imagine you're a clueless newbie to Linux. You want a machine that Just Works. You don't want to have to deal with text-mode installers (which I personally like, but they aren't shiny enough), you don't want to deal with a terminal, you don't want to have to learn anything. What's better: Debian or Ubuntu? I gotta say the latter, and that's the userbase I'm stuck dealing with. But the money's not bad, for a college student. |
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| 08:21.26 | danIG | am I on the wrong channel? I thought this is #debian ??? |
| 08:21.35 | tuv | i look at ubuntu as a variant of debian testing with delayed accumulated updates :) |
| 08:21.46 | danIG | get outta here! |
| 08:21.50 | danIG | are you? |
| 08:21.59 | Blacken | I like Debian a lot more for my own use. I just wish it wasn't confusingly user-unpleasant at times. |
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| 08:22.38 | danIG | can someone tell me about a place to find work with Debian skills (low level admin) |
| 08:22.50 | qailer | hello people, I'm having problems with radeon drivers on radeon x700, anyone? |
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| 08:23.14 | Guerin | danIG: you mean work for pay? |
| 08:23.15 | Danamania | On my most recent Sid install, debian is also doing it well. Little things like that drove me nuts when I was first using debian+KDE stuff. |
| 08:23.17 | tuv | danIG, hey.. let me know when you find one :) |
| 08:23.38 | liable | why do people always whine about text installers when windows has one? |
| 08:23.46 | danIG | qailer, please read the FAQ |
| 08:23.51 | Guerin | liable: because windows comes preinstalled |
| 08:23.56 | joobie | Hi Guys.. Just curious if anyone here has completed their CISSP? |
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| 08:24.04 | danIG | yes Guerin |
| 08:24.12 | Guerin | danIG: don't I wish. |
| 08:24.12 | liable | Guerin: haha, and of course you never have to reinstall it |
| 08:24.19 | danIG | I will keep it for myself tuv... |
| 08:24.26 | herbi | hi |
| 08:24.30 | Guerin | liable: no. The nice man down at the computer shop does that, for only $129. |
| 08:24.32 | danIG | hi herbi |
| 08:24.36 | herbi | the debian release of firefox 1.0.5.7 is TERRIBLE |
| 08:24.41 | herbi | how can i roll back to 1.0.5.6 |
| 08:24.48 | tuv | danIG, how selfish !! |
| 08:24.50 | Guerin | herbi: I use the mozilla.org firefoxen |
| 08:24.53 | craigevil | firefox 1.5.0.7 works just fine |
| 08:24.55 | liable | Guerin: but, yeah, good point. maybe theres a little cash job i can make on the side |
| 08:25.07 | herbi | Guerin, good idea. |
| 08:25.21 | liable | 1.0.5? |
| 08:25.31 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.52 | herbi | its going nuts over here |
| 08:25.55 | herbi | on unstable |
| 08:25.56 | danIG | how about selling pre-installed debian boxes for users that don't know about terminal usage? |
| 08:26.13 | herbi | itll open windows inside windows for no reason |
| 08:26.14 | craigevil | i run it on sid, maybe try it in safemode or create a new profile |
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| 08:26.25 | herbi | and then if you try to click close, it crashes |
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| 08:26.42 | Guerin | danIG: sounds like a plan. |
| 08:26.54 | danIG | in Germany |
| 08:27.01 | liable | herbi: ya i am having that problem actually |
| 08:27.06 | Blackhold | please |
| 08:27.20 | liable | herbi: its fairly infrequent though |
| 08:27.20 | herbi | liable, you can hit back or reload to remove the window |
| 08:27.26 | herbi | yeah it started infrequently |
| 08:27.32 | herbi | but today maybe 20-30 times |
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| 08:27.49 | herbi | mightr just be the websites im going to |
| 08:27.50 | liable | its only done it 3 times for me in the last week |
| 08:27.51 | herbi | dont care |
| 08:27.57 | herbi | dont want my browser doing that |
| 08:28.13 | Blackhold | could someone how to clean the unresolved dependencies? apt-get -f install, aptitude -f install, aptitude upgrade, and that don't worked |
| 08:28.15 | craigevil | herbi try a new profile |
| 08:28.18 | alexbodn | hi all. i failed to switch x user, and now i'm locked in text mode console 8 (probably), but with ssh access to the machine. how can i reaccess x at console 7 ? |
| 08:28.29 | herbi | nah |
| 08:28.35 | herbi | the debian release is poor |
| 08:28.43 | herbi | ill use mozilla.org release |
| 08:28.46 | herbi | if that not work, then new profile |
| 08:28.53 | craigevil | its easy enough to transfer settings to a new profile |
| 08:28.57 | herbi | yes i know |
| 08:29.14 | tuv | Blackhold, paste the output of aptitude -f install somewhere |
| 08:29.22 | herbi | you havent read the recent complaints about the quality of debian devel patches to mozilla? |
| 08:29.48 | craigevil | ive never had any issues with firefox |
| 08:30.00 | tuv | me too |
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| 08:30.43 | craigevil | Noscript and stylish with FilterPset seems to take care of most website issues |
| 08:31.41 | herbi | craigevil, well obviously im not alone |
| 08:32.35 | craigevil | meh tons of ppl complain about issues in the mozillazine forums, not everyone has problems |
| 08:33.22 | herbi | ah much nicer |
| 08:33.27 | herbi | thanks for the tip Guerin |
| 08:33.32 | tucoz | Hi, i am trying to find out why my version of synaptic crashes on two successive 'reload'. Is it possible to start synaptic from command line with some verbose option? |
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| 08:41.33 | herbi | any way to hide this message? |
| 08:41.38 | herbi | sina@measel:~$ netcat localhost 22 |
| 08:41.38 | herbi | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-3 |
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| 08:42.42 | SlayerXP | herbi: netcat localhost 22 > /dev/null |
| 08:42.50 | herbi | lol |
| 08:42.53 | cydork | hehhe |
| 08:42.57 | herbi | i mean, to stop external people seeing it |
| 08:43.14 | herbi | why cant it say GoAwayPrompt v2.2 |
| 08:43.37 | ahewitt | hi guys...I am trying to run a bash script using "for i in `ls`...", but the items in the ls have spaces....can someone tell me how I can capture the full name in the $i?? |
| 08:43.49 | SlayerXP | herbi: because that's security through obscurity and stupid. |
| 08:44.05 | herbi | SlayerXP, uh thats definitely not my only line of security lol |
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| 08:44.14 | SlayerXP | herbi: then you don't need to worry |
| 08:44.25 | pitillo | herbi, give a try to google and you can see that this string is part of ssh protocol. You always have the choice to hack the source. |
| 08:44.37 | herbi | i would prefer if people couldnt profile my system by doing stuff like that |
| 08:44.40 | herbi | is that wrong? |
| 08:44.43 | Danamania | herbi: I'd look in man sshd_config for a start. don't know if it's there, but that'd be my start |
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| 08:46.35 | alexbodn | ahewitt: try to quote the filenames in awk |
| 08:46.38 | sep | herbi, besides hosts are scanned by bots, and exploits tried anyway. hiding the version does nothing, beside give you more work. the only solution is stay current on security upgrades |
| 08:46.51 | Tuttle_ | hi, i thought it would be easy, but it does seem so now. i wish some program to produce a list about which packages should be upgraded -- sorted by security/normal updates. is it possible? i wish to run it after apt-get update and apt-get --download-only upgrade |
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| 08:47.36 | herbi | as if im not aware of all this stuff |
| 08:47.40 | herbi | i just asked a question |
| 08:47.44 | Anarka | Tuttle_ -s |
| 08:47.55 | herbi | if you dont know the answer its cool, just dont start on about something else please |
| 08:48.08 | herbi | Danamania, good idea, i only checked sshd |
| 08:48.50 | alexbodn | could anybody help with a stuck x ? i''d like to reaccess my running session |
| 08:48.57 | karsten | !setup x |
| 08:48.58 | dpkg | somebody said set up x was First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 08:49.15 | Tuttle_ | Anarka: yes it prints something, but does not mention which package is a security update... |
| 08:49.43 | Anarka | Tuttle_ and you want to know that before installing ? |
| 08:50.08 | alexbodn | karsten: was that for me? |
| 08:50.13 | karsten | alexbodn: yes |
| 08:50.52 | alexbodn | x was running fine, untill i tried to switch to a new x console. |
| 08:51.19 | Tuttle_ | Anarka: i thought it would be cool when my servers periodically do 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get --download-only upgrade' and the mail me which updates are about to be done so i can do them interactively (not all upgrades are seamless). i wish to differentiate the security updates in the mail so i know the priority |
| 08:51.24 | alexbodn | the login failed and i seem to be in the blank console 8. |
| 08:51.35 | karsten | alexbodn: <ctrl><alt><F1> |
| 08:51.46 | karsten | alexbodn: You'll be in a standard text console. |
| 08:51.48 | Anarka | Tuttle_ have you checked apt-listchanges ? |
| 08:51.56 | karsten | alexbodn: <alt><F7> for your default X session. |
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| 08:52.07 | alexbodn | keyboard switching to console 1- doesn't respond. |
| 08:52.23 | alexbodn | 1-7* |
| 08:52.28 | Anarka | i use sid so i dont recall if the security updates are dl from a special section |
| 08:52.38 | Tuttle_ | Anarka: but it's probably not so important and -s will suffice |
| 08:52.49 | karsten | alexbodn: You may have hung your video card. |
| 08:52.57 | Anarka | if they are it should be easy to see from where they are downloaded |
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| 08:53.10 | alexbodn | i can access the machine by ssh and services work, but i'd recover the session rather than reboot |
| 08:53.27 | karsten | alexbodn: Try: <ctrl><alt><f1>. Then type your username and password, as if logging in. If you've got a CD drive, and are part of the 'cdrom' group, 'eject' should eject the drive. |
| 08:53.41 | karsten | alexbodn: ... if that happens, you know you've got a running box with a dead display. Reboot. |
| 08:54.00 | karsten | alexbodn: ... and try a different video driver. If there's no response, the box is just plain hung. YOu may want to find out why. |
| 08:54.44 | alexbodn | i see the textmode console 8: a cursor blinks in topleft, and the mouse moves ok |
| 08:55.02 | karsten | alexbodn: <alt><F1> |
| 08:55.05 | karsten | alexbodn: .. now what? |
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| 08:55.15 | karsten | alexbodn: That's just a dead VC you're seeing. |
| 08:55.42 | alexbodn | alt-f? does not respond |
| 08:56.09 | Anarka | Tuttle_ check apticron |
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| 08:56.16 | karsten | alexbodn: <ctrl><alt><del> should reboot. |
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| 08:56.22 | alexbodn | can i switch the console fron command line (ssh)? |
| 08:56.29 | karsten | alexbodn: Yes. |
| 08:56.35 | alexbodn | how? |
| 08:56.41 | karsten | alexbodn: If you can log in remotely, 'chvt' should change virtual console. |
| 08:56.50 | karsten | alexbodn: Run as root (sudo chvt 1) etc. |
| 08:56.52 | alexbodn | let me try |
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| 08:58.19 | Birmaan | morn |
| 08:58.25 | alexbodn | karsten: THANKS A LOT :) |
| 08:58.28 | karsten | alexbodn: NP. |
| 08:58.32 | qailer | anyone, where can I find libdbus-1-2 |
| 08:58.33 | Tuttle_ | Anarka: that looks great, thanks. anyway it depends on python and while a really like py, i'm not sure i can afford it on all my servers. |
| 08:58.34 | qailer | ? |
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| 08:58.44 | karsten | !tell qailer about search |
| 08:59.01 | qailer | karsten, ot |
| 08:59.11 | qailer | karsten, it's not availble |
| 08:59.22 | Tuttle_ | Anarka: i'll search a bit more. thanks for a prod |
| 08:59.29 | EdLin | !info libdbus-1-2 |
| 08:59.30 | Anarka | np :) |
| 08:59.32 | alexbodn | i see the screen, but keyboard and mouse still don't respond :( |
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| 08:59.57 | karsten | alexbodn: Try restarting X. |
| 09:00.29 | karsten | qailer: FYI there's a libdbus-1-2 package. |
| 09:00.35 | alexbodn | but i need access to applications |
| 09:00.51 | karsten | alexbodn: Do you have a second system w/ X on it? |
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| 09:01.23 | qailer | karsten: what's that? |
| 09:01.24 | karsten | alexbodn: You could install x11vnc, start it on display :0, then run VNC remotely to access your (locally unusable) X session. |
| 09:01.30 | alexbodn | yes |
| 09:01.38 | karsten | qailer: It is what it says. |
| 09:02.17 | karsten | qailer: are you running sarge or etch? |
| 09:02.17 | qailer | karsten: I don't get it, FYI ? :S |
| 09:02.21 | qailer | unstable |
| 09:02.25 | karsten | !fyi |
| 09:02.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fyi is For Your Information |
| 09:02.36 | qailer | karsten, I see |
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| 09:03.06 | qailer | !fyi libdbus-1-2 |
| 09:03.08 | qailer | ? |
| 09:03.17 | karsten | qailer: !info libdbus-1-1 |
| 09:03.19 | karsten | qailer: !info libdbus-1-2 |
| 09:03.27 | qailer | !info libdbus-1-2 |
| 09:03.37 | karsten | qailer: /msg the bots. |
| 09:03.41 | karsten | !tell qailer about search |
| 09:04.01 | qailer | Package 'libdbus-1-2' does not exist |
| 09:04.25 | karsten | qailer: http://packages.debian.org/libdbus-1-2 |
| 09:04.39 | EdLin | !info libdbus-1-3 |
| 09:04.43 | dpkg | libdbus-1-3: (simple interprocess messaging system), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.93-1 (sid), Packaged size: 245 kB, Installed size: 416 kB |
| 09:04.48 | EdLin | qailer: ^^ |
| 09:05.06 | qailer | EdLin: I need 1-2 for compability reasons |
| 09:05.12 | EdLin | qailer: BTW, until you learn more about Debian, may I suggest you not run sid? |
| 09:05.48 | karsten | qailer: One sec. I've got it locally, odd. |
| 09:05.48 | qailer | thx karsten |
| 09:05.48 | qailer | EdLin: I know debian, I don't know irc |
| 09:05.54 | karsten | qailer: Seems to be replaced by libdbus-1-3 |
| 09:05.57 | karsten | qailer: http://packages.debian.org/libdbus-1-3 |
| 09:06.08 | qailer | karsten: yeah.. vad for me =/ |
| 09:06.10 | qailer | bad* |
| 09:06.24 | karsten | EdLin: also a swedish <-> english impedence mismatch |
| 09:06.57 | EdLin | karsten: I didn't really pick that up |
| 09:07.10 | qailer | he |
| 09:07.18 | karsten | EdLin: Not bad, just idomatic stuff. |
| 09:07.36 | EdLin | qailer: can you get the source package and the latest libdbus -dev package, and recompile it against the new library? |
| 09:08.16 | qailer | let me see |
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| 09:10.58 | alexbodn | karsten: trying |
| 09:11.26 | karsten | alexbodn: OK. |
| 09:11.34 | patter | I've an odd thing going on with locales. I've run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales', selected en_gb-UTF8 for generation & as default. The default console locale is now en_gb-UTF8 but X (started through gdm) still uses en_gb. any suggestions? |
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| 09:14.22 | qailer | EdLin: how will that make me get rid of my dependencies problem? |
| 09:15.37 | alexbodn | karsten: i have accidentally run x11vnc being root, and the system complained, but unstuck the keyboard and mouse. GREAT. THANKS A LOT!!! |
| 09:15.53 | EdLin | qailer: it will be linked against the new library of course. |
| 09:16.15 | karsten | alexbodn: Cool, glad it worked. |
| 09:16.21 | qailer | EdLin: but I need 1-2 |
| 09:16.33 | alexbodn | i'm indebted :) |
| 09:16.48 | karsten | alexbodn: Pay it forward. |
| 09:16.54 | liable | to me |
| 09:17.00 | EdLin | qailer: only because the binary is linked against it, make your own package and that's not neccesarily the case - assuming they didn't break the ABI too badly. |
| 09:17.07 | EdLin | s/ABI/API/ |
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| 09:17.21 | alexbodn | are you the same? |
| 09:18.25 | EdLin | qailer: on the other hand, you could wait until a transition to the new library is over, welcome to sid. |
| 09:18.28 | karsten | alexbodn: No, liable and I are not the same. |
| 09:18.29 | Trewas | sep: (I was away for a while, but have to comment a bit about the debian/ubuntu) ubuntu is not _only_ debian with choices made for you, their X and gnome packages are for example packaged earlier than they are in debian... anyway, IMO ubuntu is "better" than debian in the area they concentrate on (running gnome in desktop or laptop), and "better" because having the newest crack is not necessarily good for stability |
| 09:18.52 | qailer | EdLin: I see what you mean, how can I change the version of the package(I mean name etc) |
| 09:18.54 | alexbodn | he said i'm indebted to him |
| 09:18.59 | liable | thank the lord |
| 09:19.20 | karsten | alexbodn: I think he meant "pay it forward to me", but could be wrong. liable? |
| 09:19.20 | liable | or whatever you thank :) |
| 09:19.26 | EdLin | qailer: what problem are you now experiencing from building it? |
| 09:19.32 | karsten | liable: You're welcome ;-) |
| 09:19.37 | liable | karsten: indeed, another attempt at humour gone sour |
| 09:19.40 | alexbodn | the lord, the debian project, krsten, you, and even me ;) |
| 09:20.21 | qailer | EdLin: I don't really get you, I can only get the source to 1-3, can I change this to 1-2 easy by configuring some lines in the code? |
| 09:20.24 | karsten | alexbodn: ... and my parents, the academy, Jim for never failing to believe in me, Linda for great coffee, and <click> Times up? No way! |
| 09:20.56 | Chandu | hi , what is the pastebin website link , I want to paste one file |
| 09:21.01 | alexbodn | of course! |
| 09:21.03 | EdLin | qailer: get the source of the program that *links* to that library, not the source to the library - for the library, as I said, get the -dev package. |
| 09:21.10 | karsten | !paster |
| 09:21.10 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 09:21.47 | EdLin | qailer: if you don't know the least thing about how to compile a program in Debian, why are you running sid? |
| 09:22.07 | qailer | EdLin: I got libdbus-1-dev |
| 09:22.24 | alexbodn | bye friends. i'm moving to the liberated workstation :-) |
| 09:22.25 | qailer | EdLin: coz I'm young and stupid |
| 09:22.49 | Chandu | dpkg: thank you |
| 09:22.49 | dpkg | pas de quoi, Chandu |
| 09:22.54 | qailer | EdLin: I'm learning, |
| 09:23.12 | EdLin | qailer: the most stupid thing you did is run sid, probably you did it because of the shiny new program versions, right? |
| 09:24.30 | liable | personally i think running sid is a great learning experience as long as you are really willing to learn, but thats just me |
| 09:24.35 | qailer | EdLin: I do it coz I like new stuff, I wan't to learn and I want to be able to help, through bug reports etc. why is it disturbing you? |
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| 09:25.14 | EdLin | qailer: OK, sorry. In any rate, run apt-get build-dep my-libdbus-using-program |
| 09:25.27 | qailer | liable: I agree |
| 09:25.30 | EdLin | qailer: that will pull in all the -dev files you need. |
| 09:25.47 | qailer | EdLin: I did that |
| 09:26.02 | qailer | EdLin: sry, didn't place the expressions you used :) |
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| 09:26.18 | liable | qailer: just make sure you are really gonna make the effert on your own, otherwise you will get flamed here, for good reason |
| 09:26.44 | qailer | liable: yes, I know |
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| 09:27.28 | EdLin | qailer: now see if ./configure will let you get away with using libdbus |
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| 09:28.00 | qailer | EdLin: ahh, sry EdLin(now I get you) |
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| 09:30.10 | qailer | EdLin: sry for my quite annoying behavior, my meaning wasn't to get coocky, thx for the help |
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| 09:30.28 | EdLin | qailer: np |
| 09:30.42 | merlincorey | clear |
| 09:30.44 | merlincorey | woop |
| 09:30.46 | merlincorey | s |
| 09:30.48 | merlincorey | wrong window :P |
| 09:31.01 | Blackhold2 | sarge has got as etch xorg and the utility that automounts everything automatically? |
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| 09:31.27 | merlincorey | no |
| 09:31.38 | merlincorey | sarge lacks xorg, iirc |
| 09:32.18 | Blackhold2 | lacks? |
| 09:32.19 | EdLin | merlincorey: it uses xfree86. |
| 09:32.53 | EdLin | !tell Blackhold2 -about backports |
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| 09:33.37 | Blackhold2 | uhm... |
| 09:33.43 | liable | Blackhold2: the automount thing belongs to gnome (if i think i understand what you are talking about) |
| 09:34.11 | liable | Blackhold2: and sarge doesnt have xorg, it has the older parent, xfree86 |
| 09:34.33 | merlincorey | speaking of xorg |
| 09:34.45 | Blackhold2 | liable: is something about 2.14 version? |
| 09:34.59 | liable | Blackhold2: 2.14 isnt in sarge |
| 09:35.13 | merlincorey | why might my newly installed xserver fail with an error of "Cannot read V_BIOS"? Wrong/missing module, mayhap? |
| 09:35.28 | liable | Blackhold2: but the gnome in sarge does (as far as i remember) have the gnome-volume-manager |
| 09:35.48 | Chandu | liable: yes Sarge has gnome-volume-manager |
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| 09:36.17 | angelo___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.30 | liable | angelo___: try #hardware |
| 09:36.35 | angelo___ | ok |
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| 09:37.24 | liable | 3 scsi compared to 1 ata? i couldnt imagine that scsi would be faster at all! :P |
| 09:37.45 | merlincorey | wow |
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| 09:38.05 | merlincorey | all I find on google is people complaining about not finding answers to this problem and not getting responses |
| 09:38.06 | EdLin | liable: must be a MSCE |
| 09:38.08 | merlincorey | :p |
| 09:38.12 | merlincorey | MCSE? |
| 09:38.19 | EdLin | !msce |
| 09:38.19 | dpkg | hmm... msce is a Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert. http://www.leftmind.net/~adb/asr/mcse.txt |
| 09:38.24 | merlincorey | no no no |
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| 09:38.30 | merlincorey | it is Must Consult Someone Else |
| 09:38.45 | merlincorey | however, I am currently consulting #debian and no one is giving me consultation :( |
| 09:39.04 | EdLin | merlincorey: I was refering to the SCSI RAID vs one disk (of anything) question |
| 09:39.10 | terraces | is there a way to make currently work apach2 + php5 on sid. I saw a lot of bug reports, but no solution at the moment |
| 09:39.19 | liable | merlincorey: we dont know.. but xorg failing to read vbios sounds fairly serious |
| 09:39.46 | merlincorey | liable: sounds indeed, in fact, everything else seems ok and then that fatal error |
| 09:39.49 | merlincorey | :/ |
| 09:39.51 | EdLin | terraces: the PHP developers reccomend that you not run apache2 |
| 09:40.14 | liable | EdLin: really? why's that (out of interest) |
| 09:40.14 | merlincorey | but then, the PHP developers can't keep any kind of conventions |
| 09:40.17 | merlincorey | so screw the PHP developers |
| 09:40.33 | EdLin | liable: I don't know, but that's what Rasmus &co says. |
| 09:40.37 | liable | EdLin: short simple version please :) |
| 09:41.03 | EdLin | liable: short simple version? Use a real scripting language ;-) |
| 09:41.14 | merlincorey | or programming language, for that matter |
| 09:41.16 | liable | heh |
| 09:41.18 | merlincorey | CGI++ |
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| 09:42.10 | merlincorey | liable: would you happen to know if it might be a module related thing or perhaps a kernel issue of some kind? I do not think it's a hardware error because about 30 minutes ago sarge was on here with xfree and gnome |
| 09:42.36 | num000 | is this the debian developer forum or can i ask user related questions here? |
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| 09:42.51 | merlincorey | num000: I think #debian-mentor has some DDs all the time |
| 09:42.59 | merlincorey | or #debian-mentors mayhap |
| 09:43.08 | merlincorey | been a while |
| 09:43.09 | merlincorey | :) |
| 09:43.29 | num000 | merlincorey actually all i wanted to know is, if there is a software which can feed video streams and does run on debian |
| 09:43.41 | merlincorey | num000: but there are plenty of DDs here... #d-m is meant for DD specific questions, It hink |
| 09:43.49 | liable | merlincorey: if xfree worked, i would tend to blame xorg rather than kernel, but diff the kernel logs |
| 09:44.25 | merlincorey | liable: apparently in the process of installing etch it removed the kernel it got from the sarge CD initially, which is why I suspect maybe something there... |
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| 09:44.59 | merlincorey | soooooo should I purge xorg before installing xfree? |
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| 09:45.07 | merlincorey | I would imagine yes? |
| 09:45.17 | merlincorey | but my imagination tends to run away with me |
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| 09:46.58 | merlincorey | alright well |
| 09:47.08 | merlincorey | considering it's almost 3:00 am |
| 09:47.12 | merlincorey | I am just gonna purge :P |
| 09:47.15 | liable | merlincorey: thats unusual, no reason why it should have removed the sarge kernel |
| 09:47.26 | merlincorey | liable: that's what I thought, but it did it :/ |
| 09:47.39 | merlincorey | maybe I should reboot and make sure everything is alright first |
| 09:47.39 | liable | merlincorey: though if you have udev, the etch version wont work with the sarge kernel anyway |
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| 09:48.13 | liable | time for dinnah |
| 09:48.54 | merlincorey | liable: I think that it removed it for udev, because I did an expert install with a 2.6 kernel from a sarge CD; apparently the kernel images only come from the CD, so I installed the one on there, then the packages came from testing on the net, so they removed the kernel when installing udev |
| 09:49.07 | merlincorey | but now I remember I must remove hotplug, too, I think it warned me |
| 09:49.14 | merlincorey | clear |
| 09:49.23 | merlincorey | hmmm |
| 09:49.30 | merlincorey | screen is acting weird :P |
| 09:50.23 | Chandu | Hi , I am building Debian custom cd ... Iam able to create the image ..but during installation it is showing cdrom modules not found .. What may be the problem |
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| 09:52.02 | thyko | how do i upgrade just one package |
| 09:52.03 | thyko | ? |
| 09:52.14 | petemc | apt-get install package |
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| 09:54.41 | nayyares | is there any open-source vmware equivalent software ? |
| 09:54.48 | petemc | qemu |
| 09:54.52 | petemc | xen |
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| 09:57.46 | artis | hello fellow debianees. my PACS server exits silently and i would like to know why. i've created a strace: https://159.148.110.18/report/pacsone.strace perhaps you can tell me the most likely reason it fails to start? |
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| 09:59.37 | mynullvoid | hi all |
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| 10:00.38 | mynullvoid | how do I change a password in one line? without the need to enter twice with enter? |
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| 10:00.55 | merlincorey | grrr |
| 10:01.04 | merlincorey | ok definately on newer kernel now |
| 10:01.07 | merlincorey | but same issue |
| 10:01.41 | merlincorey | also |
| 10:01.52 | merlincorey | I can't seem to find the xfree86 package, though I added stable :/ |
| 10:01.56 | merlincorey | (to my sources) |
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| 10:05.21 | ViperXL75 | can someone drop me the command to restart apache server? |
| 10:05.32 | mynullvoid | if I use passwd <username> it will prompt me twice to enter the password |
| 10:05.36 | ViperXL75 | something like /var/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 10:05.40 | ViperXL75 | (or something like that) |
| 10:05.43 | liable | merlincorey: apt uses the newest stuff, you cant downgrade xorg easily (or possibly at all) |
| 10:05.45 | thyko | ViperXL75: killall -1 httpd |
| 10:06.00 | merlincorey | liable: really? :S WTF should I be thinking now, then? :/ |
| 10:06.09 | merlincorey | I am chilling in #xorg but they seem to be very frozen over |
| 10:06.21 | liable | merlincorey: dunno. but your kinda stuck with what you have |
| 10:06.26 | thyko | yeah, its a place to 'chill' |
| 10:06.34 | merlincorey | hmmm |
| 10:06.35 | merlincorey | ok well |
| 10:06.40 | merlincorey | then I have to make what I have work |
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| 10:07.16 | liable | ViperXL75: either from init.d or apachectl |
| 10:07.27 | liable | or apache2ctl or whatever it is |
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| 10:10.02 | merlincorey | ok so I'm in #xorg chilling and shit, but no one is saying crap |
| 10:10.04 | Bushmills | mynullvoid: write a script for expect |
| 10:10.17 | merlincorey | therefore, I am forced to beg of my #debian bretheren |
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| 10:10.29 | mynullvoid | Bushmills: any around? |
| 10:11.22 | Ritzzo | hi |
| 10:11.26 | merlincorey | hi Ritzzo |
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| 10:12.49 | Ritzzo | ViperXL75, apachectl restart :D |
| 10:14.31 | infoclog | i have a problem. I install something with Package manager, but where does that package actually go after installation. How can i execute it ??? |
| 10:14.33 | ViperXL75 | lol |
| 10:14.33 | ViperXL75 | ok |
| 10:14.52 | wols | infoclog: in a bin directory usually |
| 10:14.58 | wols | the executables at least |
| 10:15.04 | stojic | executable file goes to /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin usually |
| 10:15.06 | Ritzzo | infoclog, use whereis which |
| 10:15.21 | infoclog | wols: what about from the Start menu.. |
| 10:15.25 | wols | infoclog: X programs very often also go in the debian standard menu |
| 10:15.53 | wols | and there is no "startmenu"... better start now: debian is not windows |
| 10:15.59 | stojic | hehe |
| 10:16.11 | merlincorey | wols: but it can have XPDE |
| 10:16.17 | ViperXL75 | found it... it was /etc/var/apache2 restart :) |
| 10:16.27 | infoclog | wols: ok, wht abt 'Application Menu' |
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| 10:16.33 | stojic | customize |
| 10:16.37 | stojic | erm |
| 10:16.37 | merlincorey | ViperXL75: should be /etc/init.d/ |
| 10:16.40 | Bushmills | infoclog: dpkg -L |
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| 10:16.48 | Ritzzo | ViperXL75, /etc/var? no :D |
| 10:16.49 | wols | merlincorey: yes, evrey system has its warts. and: debian is not limited to a startmenu like other unnamed OSes :P |
| 10:17.11 | wols | !info menu |
| 10:17.16 | dpkg | menu: (generates programs menu for all menu-aware applications), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.1.30 (sid), Packaged size: 394 kB, Installed size: 1660 kB |
| 10:17.45 | wols | infoclog: what are you looking exactly for? |
| 10:18.44 | infoclog | wols: i am looking for a shortcut which i assume must be directly made in the Application Menu ( i am using Xwindows ) |
| 10:19.44 | infoclog | When I install a package, i hve no means of finding it , because there are innumerous shrt cuts in the Appl Menu. |
| 10:20.16 | infoclog | and i dont want to invoke the application via bash. |
| 10:20.47 | merlincorey | innumerous means none |
| 10:21.02 | merlincorey | ok seriously |
| 10:21.08 | stojic | You are using Gnome, I guess. You can tame the menus with Alacarte menu editor |
| 10:21.15 | merlincorey | WTF is int10 and why does it fail?~?~?! |
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| 10:22.54 | wols | Shadowcat: hey! I'm ticklish |
| 10:23.05 | Shadowcat | oh |
| 10:23.11 | infoclog | stojic: ja, i am using Gnome. thanks for the tip. will try. |
| 10:23.16 | wols | and don't you dare using your claws, or there will be a "special" visit to the vet |
| 10:23.43 | wols | merlincorey: int10 is/was the int for doing videostuff with BIOS |
| 10:23.58 | stojic | infoclog: autogenerated menus usually are a bit huge - but nothing your patience can't handle :) |
| 10:24.13 | wols | due to intel braindedness it's also one of the protected mode faults. can't remember which right now tho |
| 10:24.29 | merlincorey | wols: ok, so why would it fail to read the V_BIOS? bad/wrong module? something with my kernel? something with my kindey? |
| 10:24.41 | infoclog | merlincorey: really ! i always thot innumerous means very many. |
| 10:24.52 | wols | peaste the exact message. can't say otherwise |
| 10:25.01 | merlincorey | infoclog: well, it can, too |
| 10:25.07 | wols | only place where debian would use the video bios is framebuffer or vesa drivers |
| 10:25.16 | merlincorey | infoclog: in- is the prefix for not, so in-numerious would be not-numerous |
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| 10:25.32 | stojic | innumerous - adj : too numerous to be counted |
| 10:25.48 | infoclog | oops.. now i know , why i failed in my english tests |
| 10:26.26 | infoclog | hey..!!"§"§ ..we hve 2 versions for this word now. !! |
| 10:26.36 | infoclog | verdammmt ! |
| 10:27.03 | merlincorey | wols: (EE) I810(0): Cannot read V_BIOS |
| 10:27.14 | merlincorey | wols: and that stops from starting |
| 10:27.35 | merlincorey | and apparently downgrading to xfree will be very difficult or impossible |
| 10:27.41 | wols | many shitty notebook bioses have shitty info in that thable. often leads to problem with widescreens |
| 10:27.46 | wols | probably similar |
| 10:27.58 | wols | you DO have a i810 compatible videocard, right? |
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| 10:28.10 | wols | not impossible |
| 10:28.14 | stojic | maybe try resetting to BIOS defaults? |
| 10:28.18 | merlincorey | no |
| 10:28.23 | merlincorey | or yes |
| 10:28.29 | merlincorey | I dunno, it's a dell with an nvidia card |
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| 10:28.39 | Shadowcat | wols: there's a reason 915resolution exists |
| 10:28.41 | merlincorey | and xorg thought it was an intel card |
| 10:28.48 | merlincorey | on autodetection |
| 10:28.56 | wols | however: xfree is dying out. so depending on versin you might have the problem again sooner or later |
| 10:29.01 | wols | Shadowcat: yes |
| 10:29.15 | merlincorey | yes, I would prefer to have this system on xorg |
| 10:29.16 | stojic | which DELL model exacly? |
| 10:29.32 | merlincorey | it was running with sarge and xfree but I just installed etch on it for my friend |
| 10:29.35 | wols | merlincorey: since it is a dell "with nvidia card", why in gods name are you using a driver fdor an intel card again? |
| 10:29.41 | merlincorey | and then I happilly went to install xorg and now I am stonewalled |
| 10:29.47 | wols | merlincorey: please run lspci -v and paste the output of that |
| 10:30.21 | merlincorey | wols: I have reconfigured the server multiple times but I have been fearing it has not been making changes or perhaps changing in the wrong places |
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| 10:31.03 | wols | merlincorey: before you're allowed near dpkg-reconfigure again, you MUST know what hw you actually have. now go and check with lspci -v |
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| 10:32.39 | merlincorey | wols: ooook ok |
| 10:33.09 | merlincorey | wols: this motherboard comes with an onboard intel video output |
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| 10:33.18 | merlincorey | wols: but it has an nvidia graphics card in the PCI |
| 10:33.30 | merlincorey | wols: so I am now in multiheaded land... been here before, beaten it before |
| 10:33.34 | wols | then check whicn one you use |
| 10:34.44 | merlincorey | ok |
| 10:35.50 | merlincorey | so I re-ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and I set it to the proper driver and address, but when I restarted the server, nothing at all has changed |
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| 10:37.24 | wols | what address? |
| 10:37.32 | merlincorey | yep yep yep |
| 10:37.36 | merlincorey | definately it is not changing the config file |
| 10:37.41 | merlincorey | I am just gonna edit it by hand |
| 10:37.43 | wols | !xmd5 |
| 10:37.44 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. See <Xorgmd5> if you are running <Xorg> |
| 10:37.55 | wols | editing it by hand was the error in the first place |
| 10:38.12 | merlincorey | I never edited by hand though |
| 10:38.19 | merlincorey | :/ |
| 10:38.42 | merlincorey | !tell me about xorgmd5 |
| 10:39.23 | merlincorey | oh and by address |
| 10:39.28 | merlincorey | I meant bus id |
| 10:39.29 | merlincorey | :) |
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| 10:46.47 | wols | !tell merlincorey about msg |
| 10:47.07 | wols | your dualhead is dicey of course but usually you don't need busid |
| 10:47.15 | merlincorey | wols? |
| 10:47.19 | merlincorey | I did not msg you |
| 10:47.28 | wols | it is not about msg |
| 10:47.36 | wols | look at (1) |
| 10:47.45 | cydork | !msg |
| 10:47.45 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 10:47.57 | merlincorey | yeah yeah |
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| 10:48.01 | cydork | :) |
| 10:48.34 | cydork | actully msg the bot factoid says it better |
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| 10:54.48 | cydork | !qotd88 |
| 10:54.49 | dpkg | < quadrata> debiant: well, I want to run aol on debian, but my cd only works in windows < quadrata> I'll brb, I gotta get some fruitcake. Hope you guys will help me with the aol soon. |
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| 11:03.03 | xav | does anyone know what mozilla problem is ? |
| 11:04.11 | stojic | mozilla problem? |
| 11:04.32 | cydork | xav: it sucks?? :P |
| 11:05.18 | xav | the trademark or copyright issue |
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| 11:05.49 | wols | !iceweasel |
| 11:05.49 | dpkg | iceweasel is probably due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. iceweasel is a likely candidate: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/, or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 |
| 11:05.59 | petemc | xav: theres a bug report that details both sides arguments |
| 11:06.04 | xav | I read that |
| 11:06.23 | petemc | it didnt answer your question? |
| 11:06.30 | wols | xav: mozilla.COM doesn't want debian to distribute stuff that's named "firefox" unless mozilla has last say over the files |
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| 11:06.43 | wols | that's obviously unacceptable for debian |
| 11:06.53 | xav | they complain about firefox, but the problem is for all mozilla products, right? |
| 11:06.59 | wols | yes |
| 11:07.01 | cydork | yes |
| 11:07.04 | xav | the iceweasel page lets think mozilla is concerned also |
| 11:07.06 | wols | all they have trademarks for |
| 11:07.08 | xav | what about thunderbird? |
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| 11:07.29 | wols | too Iguess, just not as high profile |
| 11:07.34 | cydork | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.46 | wols | seamonkey too afaik, even if it shouldn't be an official mozilla project anymore |
| 11:07.49 | wols | since they dropped it |
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| 11:08.01 | xav | what about every other linux distributions, I would suspect most of them also have problems |
| 11:08.13 | xav | I didn't know they dropped seamonkey |
| 11:08.27 | wols | no. they give mozilla their binaries to bless them |
| 11:08.44 | wols | they dropped the mozilla suite at least |
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| 11:08.59 | wols | e.g. at least RH and novell do |
| 11:09.21 | stojic | hm... Debian should simply rename mozilla apps and put different icons on them and voila |
| 11:09.23 | wols | but they rarely had principles in regards to their users, being companies, so who cares? |
| 11:09.31 | wols | stojic: that's what they do |
| 11:09.43 | cydork | stojic: check that gnuzilla page |
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| 11:09.56 | cydork | wols: not actully.. |
| 11:10.14 | wols | cydork: GNU is doing something else, is debian too? |
| 11:10.27 | xav | well, they can only control a few big distribution maybe. but not all of them |
| 11:10.41 | wols | they can. C&D letters are magical |
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| 11:10.56 | cydork | wols: debian will get iceweacel from gnuzilla project afaik. |
| 11:11.00 | wols | just try and get hosting after such a letter arrives |
| 11:11.06 | xav | oh yes, that's what I wanted to ask also. the iceweasel is a gnu page. is it what debian is going to use? |
| 11:11.13 | xav | ah you don't know |
| 11:11.27 | wols | debian probably will use it, but it's not sure afaik |
| 11:11.49 | stojic | so mozilla's binaries are not free, and if you build their apps but use their brand then you need their approval? well, GNU is doing the only possible thing here |
| 11:11.49 | wols | the however IS coolre than "firefox" |
| 11:11.49 | cydork | wols: that's true :) |
| 11:11.50 | xav | :) |
| 11:11.55 | stojic | hehe, true :) |
| 11:11.58 | wols | the name |
| 11:11.59 | wols | doh |
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| 11:13.33 | xav | well, I wonder what my dad will think when I upgrade its debian.. "where the hell did firefox go ?" :) |
| 11:13.42 | stojic | hehehe |
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| 11:15.46 | stojic | maybe if Debian shipped with differently named mozilla programs then the problem would become more known and maaaybe force mozilla to change its policy |
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| 11:17.04 | stojic | as in A: "why is this called xxx and not firefox" B: "because mozilla does yyy and zzz" A: "mozilla suxorz, dude" |
| 11:17.34 | stojic | and then a big number of people like A have the effect of mozilla changing the policy |
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| 11:18.09 | stojic | and everyone lived happily ever after |
| 11:18.23 | stojic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:18.53 | xav | it could also be B: "because debian does yyy and zzz" A: "debian suxorz, dude" |
| 11:18.57 | KristianLy | can anyone say "pico" vs "nano" here? |
| 11:19.08 | xav | (that's not what I think) |
| 11:19.20 | stojic | xav: yes, that is true, it could happen that way |
| 11:19.24 | KristianLy | same kind of problem more or less |
| 11:19.54 | xav | I honestly don't know who is right and who is wrong there |
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| 11:21.38 | stojic | well, mozilla has a right to protect its brands, but I would be happier if they would only actively protect them after the problem happens (ie if some distro ships very bad build of firefox or something) |
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| 11:22.29 | bowman | anyone able to switch resolutions with the well-known ctrl-alt-+/- in xorg?? |
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| 11:22.34 | xav | oh right, indeed |
| 11:22.43 | stojic | it's just that requiring distros to submit their builds to mozilla for checking doesn't sound like free software to me |
| 11:23.20 | fluxdude | I've got a weird problem on my root filesystem, it's full but I can't find out where the space has gone... |
| 11:23.31 | fluxdude | "/dev/hda1 2071384 2070508 0 100% /" |
| 11:23.34 | SlayerXP | fluxdude: df -i |
| 11:23.40 | fluxdude | but du -csx / shows a total of only 396400 |
| 11:23.41 | stojic | fluxdude: did you try apt-get clean as root? |
| 11:23.49 | xav | it doesn't seem realistic given the number of distros anyway (not that I like it) |
| 11:23.54 | fluxdude | SlayerXP: oh yeah, that's a good idea! |
| 11:24.44 | fluxdude | SlayerXP: "/dev/hda1 263296 19388 243908 8% /" |
| 11:24.52 | fluxdude | SlayerXP: so that's not it |
| 11:25.11 | SlayerXP | fluxdude: then hunt for big directories with du |
| 11:25.48 | stojic | but it's like 8% used now (?!) or I'm reading this wrong |
| 11:25.53 | fluxdude | SlayerXP: done but all the big ones are mounted on other disks, gonna unmount everything and check it out... |
| 11:26.44 | SlayerXP | fluxdude: cd / && du -shx * |
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| 11:27.43 | tuxub | hi |
| 11:27.57 | hackmiker | hi how do i control what services are ran at startup? |
| 11:27.59 | hackmiker | run* |
| 11:29.50 | wols | !tell hackmiker about sysvinit |
| 11:31.01 | hackmiker | well yeah but isnt |
| 11:31.09 | hackmiker | there a curses or graphical tool for that? |
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| 11:32.03 | SlayerXP | hackmiker: why would you need one? |
| 11:32.33 | hackmiker | SlayerXP: i just need to deactivate a few startup stuff, to boot faster, and then i'm done with all that |
| 11:33.11 | SlayerXP | hackmiker: you know how to delete a symlink right? the init system is just a bunch of symlinks |
| 11:33.17 | pngwn | hackmiker, maybe change the nick to guimiker ;) |
| 11:33.24 | hackmiker | well |
| 11:33.25 | hackmiker | okay |
| 11:33.34 | hackmiker | i'll see |
| 11:36.46 | so-cute | well i deleted some symlinks |
| 11:36.49 | so-cute | thanks |
| 11:36.52 | Braindead | yeah,randomly |
| 11:37.16 | so-cute | it's just that in slackware i used to chmod a+x or a-x some scripts to activate/deactivate them |
| 11:37.20 | Braindead | next time use update-rc.d or rcconf or sysv-rc-conf |
| 11:37.21 | so-cute | and it's different here |
| 11:37.27 | stojic | so-cute: you can try ksysv |
| 11:37.31 | so-cute | uhh |
| 11:37.32 | iNToIT | hey |
| 11:37.32 | Ragnaroek | hello |
| 11:37.34 | so-cute | now you tell me? |
| 11:37.48 | stojic | it's an kde based sysv-init editor |
| 11:38.24 | SlayerXP | if you can;t manipulate init scripts without using a gui then, frankly, you need to hire someone to run your server for you. |
| 11:38.27 | stojic | well, i don't spend whole time looking at the irc window :) |
| 11:39.06 | so-cute | it's all about comfort isn't it? |
| 11:39.08 | Braindead | SlayerXP: there's a step inbetween "without a gui" and "deleting symlinks with an axe" |
| 11:39.09 | so-cute | :) |
| 11:39.31 | SlayerXP | Braindead: I delete then with rm, what do you use to delete them? |
| 11:39.38 | tuxub | i am trying to rsync some stuff from one server to another keeping the permissions but the destination always get the username of the rsync login inserted. how can i solve this? |
| 11:39.41 | Braindead | considering that deleting them manually will make the symlink come back upon upgrade |
| 11:39.48 | SlayerXP | notquiterm? mostlyrm? |
| 11:39.48 | Braindead | SlayerXP: 13:37 < Braindead> next time use update-rc.d or rcconf or sysv-rc-conf |
| 11:40.04 | SlayerXP | Braindead: which is a smart wrapper around unlink |
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| 11:40.15 | SlayerXP | and link() of course |
| 11:40.25 | Braindead | SlayerXP: which is a smart wrapper that won't make your links come back upon upgrade of the package |
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| 11:40.28 | so-cute | oh boy :D |
| 11:40.28 | stojic | come on, if a man wants a gui, give the gui to the man |
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| 11:40.50 | c_k | anyone got debian wokring with vlan's at all, think is 802.1q |
| 11:41.01 | fluxdude | SlayerXP: cd / && du -shx * gives a few things but nothing is big enough to fill the file system except /usr which is supposed to be mounted on another disk |
| 11:41.41 | SlayerXP | fluxdude: there you go then. the "x" switch prevents traversal of filesystems mounted elsewhere |
| 11:42.26 | fluxdude | i'm rebooting into single user mode now to try to fix it cos then there will be no net connections and no other mounted filesystems so I can get a clearer look |
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| 11:52.17 | GTX- | Hi, I've got some Dell poweredge 850 servers. When I try to install Debian it says it cannot find the hard drives. The hard drives are Sata. |
| 11:52.36 | KIRMIZI | GTX- : So ? |
| 11:52.44 | wols | !tell gtk about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 11:52.51 | GTX- | KIRMIZI, The hard drives are in there KIRMIZI... |
| 11:53.17 | KIRMIZI | GTX- : Did you change the jumper's way ? |
| 11:53.21 | wols | but linux 2.4.27 doesn't know about your sata controllers |
| 11:53.26 | GTX- | KIRMIZI, There brand new Dell Servers. 30 of them infact. |
| 11:53.35 | GTX- | The jumpers wont need changing :P |
| 11:53.44 | GTX- | wols, I tried linux26 to ;s |
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| 11:53.54 | wols | yes, 2.6.8. same thing |
| 11:54.01 | KIRMIZI | GTX- : are you sure ? |
| 11:54.02 | GTX- | Then how can I fix the issue? |
| 11:54.04 | GTX- | KIRMIZI, Yes! |
| 11:54.08 | wols | it's new intel mobos alon the lines of i965 and ICH8 right? |
| 11:54.11 | tralala | GTX-: just use an (unofficial) sarge installer with 2.6.16 |
| 11:54.17 | wols | GTX-: dpkg told you long ago |
| 11:54.21 | GTX- | no it didnt.. |
| 11:54.31 | wols | 13:52 <dpkg> told gtk about sarge 2.6.16 (if you want to run a 2.6.16 |
| 11:54.34 | Braindead | wols: wrong guy |
| 11:54.35 | wols | grr |
| 11:54.38 | GTX- | Its lol |
| 11:54.48 | wols | !tell GTX- about sarge 2.6.16 |
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| 11:54.52 | GTX- | ta |
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| 11:54.55 | tralala | wols: need fixing? ;) |
| 11:54.56 | wols | did it now? |
| 11:55.21 | GTX- | wols, Is 2.6.16 a newer kernel then? |
| 11:55.21 | wols | tralala: there are no "fixing" procedures for brains. believe me, I already tried |
| 11:55.23 | fluxdude | SlayerXP: as I suspected, the space shortage wasn't anything to do with /usr, but was to do with stuff underneath a mount point on / filesystem. fixed it in single mode... |
| 11:55.52 | wols | GTX-: is your brain as bad as mine? |
| 11:55.59 | GTX- | In the morning yes :P |
| 11:56.17 | tralala | I guess this question can be reduced to is 16 > 8? |
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| 12:25.56 | Hoxzer | .. |
| 12:26.31 | DaveQB | I have what might amount to a silly question, but..... why are there 15 different "versions" of the ia64 CD ISO to download ? |
| 12:26.51 | DaveQB | I have only used the netinst in the past, this is confusing me :) |
| 12:27.22 | azeem | DaveQB: there are 15 different ISOs, they all have different packages on it |
| 12:27.33 | azeem | DaveQB: Debian contains > 10000 packages, they don't fit on one ISO |
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| 12:27.51 | azeem | DaveQB: also, are you sure you need ia64? Do you have an itanium server? |
| 12:28.21 | DaveQB | hmm so there isn't 1 CD to start you off and then do apt-get the rest ? |
| 12:28.28 | azeem | of course |
| 12:28.41 | azeem | but you can download all the others if you want for some twisted reason |
| 12:28.43 | DaveQB | azeem: its a Zeon processor, I was thinking ia was intel arch :) |
| 12:28.51 | azeem | DaveQB: it's not ia64 |
| 12:28.57 | DaveQB | so binary-1 is enough to getstarted ? |
| 12:29.04 | DaveQB | Xeon rather |
| 12:29.08 | azeem | you need the amd64 images for 64bit or i386 for 32bit |
| 12:29.17 | azeem | DaveQB: sure, if you have proper internet |
| 12:29.24 | DaveQB | i see |
| 12:29.35 | DaveQB | i mean binary-1 would get you a working system ? |
| 12:29.43 | DaveQB | this is for a headless server |
| 12:29.55 | azeem | yes |
| 12:30.13 | DaveQB | thanks azeem |
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| 12:33.38 | g0th | hi |
| 12:33.45 | g0th | how do I use compiz on debian? |
| 12:33.56 | g0th | doesn't it need xgl? |
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| 12:34.53 | filip | hi, I have problems using SB Live! value on a sarge. When I play a file (aplay file.wav), it takes first 0.5s of a file, plays it repeatedly like 20 times, than takes next 0.5s and does the same and etc... |
| 12:35.01 | filip | I'm using alsa |
| 12:36.41 | filip | may it be because of the kernel being SMP? |
| 12:37.01 | Lamperi | Pistä |
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| 12:39.27 | wdamn | Hi, what's a good bandwith tester? |
| 12:39.57 | stew | g0th: no, compiz in debian will work with aiglx, there are currently no plans to include xgl in debian |
| 12:40.50 | g0th | stew: and how to install aiglx? |
| 12:41.17 | stew | g0th: its part of xorg in unstable |
| 12:41.39 | g0th | ahh |
| 12:41.40 | g0th | ok |
| 12:41.50 | g0th | hmm but compiz still doesn't run for me ^^ |
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| 12:42.30 | g0th | stew: what do I need to activate to get it working? |
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| 12:43.34 | DaBlade | g0th: Maybe you should get Beryl instead |
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| 12:44.02 | g0th | how do I get that? |
| 12:44.12 | stojic | filip: does it play correctly when you do AUDIODEV=card0 aplay file.wav ? |
| 12:44.14 | liob | Hello, |
| 12:44.14 | liob | I have installed a DC Hub on debian for the use in a specific IP range only. Now i want to block all requests out of the range only on port 411. What is the simplest way to achive this goal? |
| 12:44.14 | g0th | is it in unstable? |
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| 12:44.56 | stew | g0th: you have to enable AIGLX in the ServerLayout section, and you probably want to enable the Composite Extention |
| 12:45.02 | stew | g0th: beyond that i don't kjnow |
| 12:45.34 | g0th | hmm, ok |
| 12:45.42 | g0th | I'll first look for a good documentation |
| 12:46.04 | Trewas | g0th: you'll have to write it first ;) |
| 12:46.04 | g0th | btw, I was able to start compiz but nothing worked |
| 12:46.14 | filip | stojic: I'm away from the place right now. Could you tell me what is it meant to detect? |
| 12:46.24 | g0th | Trewas: ok, can you then maybe tell me what to put in ServerLayout? |
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| 12:46.43 | DaBlade | g0th: http://forum.beryl-project.org/ |
| 12:46.46 | g0th | I might find it out on my own, but it is like 10x faster asking here :) |
| 12:47.23 | g0th | grml, firefox crashes again |
| 12:47.31 | g0th | I think it is related to the composite extension |
| 12:47.34 | g0th | I just enabled again |
| 12:47.36 | g0th | :((( |
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| 12:47.50 | g0th | firefox crashes _really_ often with it enabled |
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| 12:47.51 | Fox | stew: no need for xgl or aiglx if you use nvidia drivers |
| 12:47.58 | g0th | I have nvidia drivers |
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| 12:48.09 | stew | Fox: oh, i didn't know that |
| 12:48.10 | Fox | g0th: read this then http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=996264&postcount=28 |
| 12:48.18 | g0th | lol |
| 12:48.22 | g0th | I can't use firefox anymore |
| 12:48.25 | g0th | it crashes all the time |
| 12:48.47 | g0th | ok, but I have opera somewhere |
| 12:48.48 | g0th | sec |
| 12:48.54 | Fox | g0th: you need to use the beta drivers to run compiz anyway |
| 12:49.07 | Fox | g0th: w3m is your friend |
| 12:49.13 | stojic | filip: you should take a look at /proc/asound/cards and see which cards are listed and then edit your /etc/asound.conf to set default card to your SB Live. This line up there tries aplay with card set to card0 (which should be the first detected card). See http://alsa.opensrc.org/faq/ for more info |
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| 12:49.28 | g0th | Fox: beta drivers? |
| 12:49.46 | g0th | I have 1.0.8774-3 |
| 12:49.51 | Trewas | g0th: sorry, I am not using aiglx/compiz, but I meant that you'll not find _good_ documentation because no one has written that yet, aiglx/compiz being quite new and fast-changing... |
| 12:50.01 | stojic | filip: there is some SB Live info there also, so you can try searching that faq for sb live |
| 12:50.35 | Fox | g0th: install beta drivers then |
| 12:50.36 | ahlfors | g0th what firefox version are you using? Haven't had a crash myself in as long as I can remember |
| 12:50.50 | Fox | g0th: http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_downloads_linux_display_x86_1.0-9625.html |
| 12:52.06 | g0th | ahlfors: Mozilla Firefox 1.5.0.7 |
| 12:52.16 | g0th | ahlfors: but the errors was since like half a year |
| 12:52.29 | g0th | ahlfors: I can't use firefox with composite extension I think |
| 12:52.37 | g0th | but I can test it, maybe it's related to sthg else |
| 12:52.57 | stojic | filip: AUDIODEV environment variable also sets default audio device, so prepending AUDIODEV=[some device] before aplay or some program that uses alsa will make that program use [some device] |
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| 12:54.50 | ahlfors | g0th, it's worth a try, bc if it is a firefox bug, a detailed report will get it fixed quickly. If not, you have a way to enjoy firefox again (disable composite) |
| 12:55.09 | g0th | I doubt it will get fixed quickly |
| 12:55.16 | g0th | it's probably some known issue |
| 12:55.40 | filip | stojic: but it plays on the correct device |
| 12:55.47 | tdn | Does anyone know if talk comes with UTF-8 support in the new Debian release? |
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| 12:56.26 | g0th | ok I quit x to install the new beta driver and to test the firefox thing |
| 12:57.22 | filip | stojic: the sound is just heavily disorted |
| 12:57.44 | stojic | filip: that's ok, but the problem is if it doesn't play directly on that device - it can play through some software mixer. can you paste your /etc/asound.conf and /proc/asound/cards ? |
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| 12:58.40 | stojic | filip: oh and one more thing - does the sound play ok with play (that is, without using alsa)? |
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| 12:59.37 | ahlfors | stojic, doesn't 'play' use alsa anyway? |
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| 12:59.48 | filip | stojic: mpg321 -o oss is broken too, haven't tried play |
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| 13:00.02 | c_k | Hi all, anyone here got Multi CPU support for 2xCPU running the 2.6.8 kernel, just done a fresh install and need to get both CU's working |
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| 13:00.34 | cydork | c_k: have you installed smp kernel? |
| 13:00.47 | stojic | ahlfors: I think not, play uses OSS on my system |
| 13:01.10 | c_k | yeah I am running 2.6.8-3-686-smp at the momnet |
| 13:01.13 | c_k | moment |
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| 13:01.17 | tralala | ahlfors: aplay uses alsa |
| 13:01.26 | cydork | c_k: check /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:01.34 | infoclog | i have a network printer but when i try to configure it it says : CUPS could not be contacted. Cn anyone help ? |
| 13:01.39 | tralala | c_k: then your cpus should work fine |
| 13:02.01 | tralala | infoclog: configuring cups is a bitch |
| 13:02.02 | juanma_ | hi, is there any command that can give me how much memory is consuming each process? |
| 13:02.07 | ahlfors | stojic, I could be wrong but I think play tries to use OSS, but if you have an ALSA driver running it provides OSS emulation |
| 13:02.12 | c_k | how can I confirm that they are both running then |
| 13:02.17 | Rez | juanma_: man ps |
| 13:02.21 | infoclog | i am sure, when I had knoppix on my system, i had no problems with the printer and also Fileserver. |
| 13:02.32 | cydork | c_k: cat /proc/cpuinfo or even top can show you |
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| 13:02.41 | tralala | c_k: view the output of dmesg or cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:02.45 | juanma_ | Re ps gives me a percentage |
| 13:03.17 | infoclog | tralala: this doesnt help much :( |
| 13:03.31 | c_k | running a cat /proc/cpuinfo I can see loads of stuff, doing a top what can I use to confirm both are there |
| 13:03.33 | tralala | juanma_: is it that difficult to convert the percentage to an actual number? |
| 13:03.44 | c_k | in Redhat you can see the loads on each CPU not seeing that in Debian |
| 13:03.45 | zepeuga | i need to install ipw3945 module, but there isnt anyone in 2.6.16 kernel... |
| 13:03.49 | infoclog | i am not using my mchine as a server, I am just a client ! So why shud i configure CUP ?? |
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| 13:04.23 | ViperXL75 | apt-get install php ? |
| 13:04.24 | Braindead | c_k: cpuinfo should show you 2 processors. |
| 13:04.27 | tralala | infoclog: yeah, sorry about that - I've configured cups a few times (after a lot of fighting) and I could never understand how the things got working nor repeat the process |
| 13:04.29 | azeem | infoclog: cups is both client and server |
| 13:04.40 | c_k | yeah I can see 4 in there, dual core CPU;s I believe |
| 13:04.49 | cydork | c_k: or ht? |
| 13:04.56 | filip | stojic: http://robal.tefnet.pl/cards, I don't have /etc/asound.conf |
| 13:04.56 | c_k | sorry HT cpu's |
| 13:04.59 | Braindead | c_k: so your kernel is working fine. end of the problem |
| 13:05.01 | c_k | ht not Dual Core |
| 13:06.02 | juanma_ | tralala, yes |
| 13:06.02 | c_k | yeah fine but why does it now show in a top then that there are more than one cpu |
| 13:06.02 | infoclog | azeem: hw do i configure a network printer on Debian ? |
| 13:06.03 | Braindead | c_k: pressing "h" and reading the help page should be a start |
| 13:06.04 | cydork | c_k: press h and look for toggle options |
| 13:06.04 | ahlfors | c_k top doesn't show perCPU stats by default |
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| 13:06.04 | c_k | ah right ok I see so the stats are for a combined load on all yeah |
| 13:06.08 | ahlfors | c_k, pressing '1' (the numeral) should do the trick. |
| 13:06.12 | c_k | so if /proc/cpuinfo lists them they are all being used yeah |
| 13:06.14 | azeem | infoclog: you install cups and point it to it |
| 13:06.33 | azeem | infoclog: if you use GNOME, there is a GNOME Cups frontend |
| 13:06.35 | c_k | ahlfors: what do yo mean pressing 1 |
| 13:06.46 | c_k | ah yeah see what you mean now cheers matey |
| 13:06.49 | c_k | thanks a loads |
| 13:06.49 | ahlfors | c_k, during 'top' interactive display, 1 toggles per-cpu stats |
| 13:07.25 | infoclog | azeem: i AM using gnome |
| 13:07.26 | stojic | filip: try creating /etc/asound.conf, put pcm.!default { type hw card 0 } in it and then restart alsa and try again |
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| 13:07.40 | g0th | hi |
| 13:07.51 | infoclog | whts the package name for gnome cups ? |
| 13:07.51 | g0th | I tested the nvidia binary drivers and compiz runs :) |
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| 13:07.57 | filip | stojic: ok, but how does it help with disortions :)? |
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| 13:08.09 | ahlfors | Is there an asound.conf generator util somewhere? |
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| 13:08.54 | stojic | filip: it should tell alsa to use your card directly, if there are still distortions after that then your problem is a bit deepeer than this |
| 13:08.54 | infoclog | azeem: i hve the gnome-cups-manager installed. But what next ! |
| 13:09.08 | c_k | awesome all working a treat now cheers guys |
| 13:09.13 | azeem | run `gnome-cups-manager' from a terminal or System Tools -> Printing |
| 13:09.31 | g0th | hmm, is there a wm config manager? |
| 13:09.37 | g0th | I eg. don't have any window decorations etc |
| 13:09.41 | ahlfors | c_k, cheers |
| 13:09.47 | azeem | g0th: what desktop are you running? |
| 13:09.51 | azeem | and which window manager? |
| 13:09.52 | g0th | gnome |
| 13:10.00 | azeem | do you have metacity installed? |
| 13:10.00 | g0th | enlightenment before, now compiz |
| 13:10.05 | g0th | not anymore |
| 13:10.07 | azeem | euh, compiz |
| 13:10.09 | g0th | I removed metacity |
| 13:10.10 | azeem | have fun yourself |
| 13:10.16 | Fox | hehe azeem |
| 13:10.20 | g0th | ^^ |
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| 13:10.29 | g0th | it's really neat :) |
| 13:10.30 | Bhavesh | duh |
| 13:10.32 | azeem | g0th: yeah well, compiz is experimental crack |
| 13:10.54 | azeem | you probably won't get help from the people in here, not many are running it |
| 13:10.57 | zepeuga | theres any tutorial to install firmware-ipw3945 module ? i-ve already apt-get but cant modprobe it |
| 13:11.03 | azeem | g0th: but if you find out more, you can help the others along :) |
| 13:11.08 | jetscreamer | i don't have a titlebar with compiz |
| 13:11.20 | filip | stojic: it's the default configuration from sarge, does it use any plugins? |
| 13:11.21 | g0th | jetscreamer: but you have a border? |
| 13:11.21 | azeem | zepeuga: usually you don't modprobe firmware |
| 13:11.28 | azeem | zepeuga: is it a .ko file? |
| 13:11.33 | jetscreamer | i don't remember... i made it crash a lot htough |
| 13:11.36 | g0th | I get this message all the time: |
| 13:11.43 | g0th | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:11.47 | Fox | he already discovered he wouldn't need XGL/AIGLX |
| 13:11.47 | g0th | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.47 | jetscreamer | i get open... yeha that |
| 13:11.56 | jetscreamer | not sure about the texture one though |
| 13:12.01 | stojic | filip: I don't know does it use plugins |
| 13:12.03 | zepeuga | azeem i dont know, ive only do an apt-get install firmware-ipw3945 |
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| 13:12.15 | Fox | g0th: look at nvidia's beta drivers forum |
| 13:12.17 | jetscreamer | i got the cube thingy working |
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| 13:12.20 | g0th | oki |
| 13:12.23 | azeem | zepeuga: dpkg -L firmware-ipw3945 to see which files belong to that package |
| 13:12.28 | jetscreamer | and the beta drivers |
| 13:12.37 | azeem | zepeuga: also, check the documentation in /usr/share/doc/firmware-ipw3945 |
| 13:13.04 | Fox | Fox: once it works for you please document it |
| 13:13.07 | jetscreamer | the special effects are frickin cool though |
| 13:13.08 | Fox | wow |
| 13:13.14 | Bhavesh | Fox: talking to yourself? :) |
| 13:13.17 | Fox | talking to myself :/ |
| 13:13.19 | Bhavesh | Fox: just don't answer lol |
| 13:13.22 | zepeuga | azeem, /lib/firmware/ipw3945.ucode |
| 13:13.24 | Fox | !nuke fox |
| 13:13.28 | Bhavesh | hahaha |
| 13:13.49 | jetscreamer | !pal fox |
| 13:13.49 | azeem | zepeuga: there you go, hotplug should find it there in theory |
| 13:13.49 | azeem | zepeuga: check your kernel logs |
| 13:13.54 | zepeuga | azeem, dmesg ? |
| 13:13.58 | Fox | g0th: once it works for you please document it |
| 13:14.00 | azeem | yeah |
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| 13:14.16 | cydork | Bhavesh: i admit that actully :P |
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| 13:15.26 | zepeuga | azeem, i have notinh |
| 13:15.32 | zepeuga | nothing |
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| 13:16.00 | Bhavesh | cydork: good me too :) we are talking about talking to ourselves right nothing else?! :) |
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| 13:16.27 | cydork | Bhavesh: yes. Nothing else! |
| 13:16.29 | Fox | he admits people talk to themselves, not that HE does talk to himself |
| 13:16.34 | Fox | !nuke cydork |
| 13:16.35 | Bhavesh | *phew* |
| 13:16.49 | infoclog | well.. where can i find error messages on CUPS ( log file for example ) ? |
| 13:16.55 | Bhavesh | just making sure.. i was hoping i did not admit to something hmm not good hehehe |
| 13:17.09 | azeem | zepeuga: try to rmmod/modprobe the module again |
| 13:18.04 | zepeuga | module not found |
| 13:18.57 | Bhavesh | i still have not gotten the answer for my small question |
| 13:19.08 | abrotman | don't worry .. ithappens to lots of guys |
| 13:19.11 | Bhavesh | w only shows header but shows right user count.. who actually shows all the user |
| 13:19.21 | Bhavesh | abrotman: including you?! :) |
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| 13:19.25 | abrotman | eh .. no |
| 13:19.55 | Bhavesh | abrotman: what happens to lots of guys? hehe |
| 13:20.02 | abrotman | you'd have to see the movie to understand |
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| 13:21.48 | Mitja | which movie? |
| 13:21.56 | cydork | Bhavesh: w only shows headers? |
| 13:22.02 | Bhavesh | cydork: yes |
| 13:22.13 | cydork | zepeuga: are you sure module exists? |
| 13:22.20 | abrotman | Mitja: Top Secret! |
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| 13:22.25 | Bhavesh | bhavesh@wolverine:~$ w 09:35:12 up 9 days, 19:49, 2 users, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 |
| 13:22.28 | Bhavesh | USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT |
| 13:22.39 | Bhavesh | cydork: but 'who' shows both of those users |
| 13:22.50 | abrotman | that's what 'w' is supposed to do |
| 13:23.21 | abrotman | Bhavesh: oh wait .. you don't have login shells |
| 13:23.24 | zepeuga | cydork, ive apt-get install firmware-ipw3945 |
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| 13:23.34 | Bhavesh | abrotman: i am logged in through ssh |
| 13:23.39 | Bhavesh | and i tried that at console |
| 13:23.42 | zepeuga | cydork, now i have /lib/firmware/ipw3945.ucode |
| 13:23.54 | cydork | zepeuga: that's the firmware not the module |
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| 13:24.01 | Bhavesh | abrotman: it shows correct information only when i run w once after logging in |
| 13:24.04 | zepeuga | cydork, so what i have to do |
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| 13:24.55 | ttz | hi there! I've added an alias to eth0 using iproute2, but I can't see it with "ifconfig eth0:0" |
| 13:24.58 | godzirra | Ok, so does anyone know much about setting up a raid in linux? I've seen the how to (for 2.4 kernels at least) and I'm a little confused still. do i setup the first drive and -then- setup the raid? |
| 13:25.02 | cydork | !ipw2100 |
| 13:25.03 | dpkg | i heard ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net. It's built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and you need a 2.6 kernel to compile it |
| 13:25.30 | zepeuga | !ipw3945 |
| 13:25.40 | cydork | zepeuga: it's given on that site http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:25.49 | Pr0nStrGeek | ipw is the centrino card? |
| 13:25.59 | zepeuga | cydork, ok, firmware is for what ? |
| 13:25.59 | cydork | zepeuga: which kernel are you using? |
| 13:26.05 | zepeuga | 2.6.16 |
| 13:26.56 | cydork | zepeuga: then type modprobe -l|grep ipw |
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| 13:27.26 | stew | is ipw2100 really built in to kerenels >= 2.6.15? "modprobe -l ipw2100" doesn't list it for me |
| 13:27.42 | cydork | stew: it's here on 2.6.17 |
| 13:28.00 | stew | 2.6.17-2-amd64 here |
| 13:28.13 | zepeuga | /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/ipw.ko |
| 13:28.13 | zepeuga | /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko |
| 13:28.13 | zepeuga | /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100.ko |
| 13:28.13 | petemc | lib/modules/2.6.16-2-xen-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100.ko |
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| 13:28.25 | stew | *shrug* |
| 13:28.52 | stew | i think i tried and failed to help someone comile it for .17 based on my not having it the other day, oh well |
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| 13:29.08 | cydork | zepeuga: i think you have to get ipw3945 from that sourceforge site |
| 13:29.12 | stew | maybe the driver isn't 64 bit clean yet |
| 13:29.22 | stew | (although that would suprise me, since intel wrote it) |
| 13:29.23 | cydork | stew: i guess so |
| 13:30.23 | abrotman | Bhavesh: huh ? |
| 13:30.54 | Bhavesh | abrotman: if i do 'w' right after i login, it shows correct info, even through ssh, but if i do it again it only shows header |
| 13:31.19 | abrotman | Bhavesh: so 'who' works fine .. but 'w' fails ? |
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| 13:31.32 | Bhavesh | yes |
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| 13:31.37 | cydork | Bhavesh: then what does w -h prints :P |
| 13:31.49 | zepeuga | cydork, ok ill try |
| 13:32.08 | Bhavesh | nothing :) |
| 13:32.15 | Bhavesh | was that a trick question? |
| 13:33.00 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:33.16 | cydork | Bhavesh: heh |
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| 13:34.22 | Bhavesh | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3921 |
| 13:34.39 | Bhavesh | hey i am learning you know |
| 13:34.40 | Bhavesh | :) |
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| 13:35.31 | cydork | Bhavesh: hrm that is weird. is that sid? |
| 13:35.41 | Bhavesh | yes it is |
| 13:36.30 | stew | Bhavesh: what does "readlink -f $(which w)" say? |
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| 13:37.17 | Bhavesh | bhavesh@wolverine:~$ readlink -f $(which w) |
| 13:37.17 | Bhavesh | /usr/bin/w.procps |
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| 13:40.12 | Bhavesh | cydork: yes it is sid, but it happend when i was running testing |
| 13:40.37 | cydork | Bhavesh: i am lost on that one.. |
| 13:40.41 | Bhavesh | i think it has something to do with me leaving some option out in kernel i do not belive it happens with the stock kernel |
| 13:40.52 | jetscreamer | what |
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| 13:43.13 | BreaKIce | I have added a .ppd file to /usr/share/cups/model/ and restarted cups, but the new driver doesn't show up in system-config-printer on centos 4? did i miss something? |
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| 13:43.39 | Braindead | BreaKIce: you're missing that this ain't #centos |
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| 13:43.50 | mateuszk | Hi Where I can look for a sponsor for package ? |
| 13:44.22 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 13:44.22 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 13:44.28 | cydork | mateuszk: mentors.debian.net |
| 13:44.36 | mateuszk | cydork, thx |
| 13:44.42 | tralala | mateuszk: isn't this described in the new maintainers guide? |
| 13:44.49 | mateuszk | tralala, yes it is.. |
| 13:45.09 | tralala | mateuszk: and it says ask #debian?! |
| 13:45.26 | mateuszk | tralala, now :) ok nevermind |
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| 13:46.23 | biz | hello, i own lots of xvid and divx encoded movies. is there an on-the-fly way to decode and reencode them into mpeg2 to burn them as svcds? i don't know how its done with ms windows apps (ahead nero for example), but its quite fast. actually it doesn't seem to be lots of decode/reencode work since its this fast. any ideas? |
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| 13:47.03 | Bhavesh | biz look into mencoder |
| 13:47.05 | cydork | biz: mencoder? |
| 13:47.08 | Bhavesh | which comes with mplayer |
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| 13:47.25 | Bhavesh | tell biz about mencoder |
| 13:47.29 | Bhavesh | !tell biz about mencoder |
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| 13:47.43 | biz | thanks |
| 13:47.48 | godzirra | Ok, I've got debian installed, and everything -seems- to be working, but when I type 'route' it hangs until I hit control-C, and I don't have any network connectivity. |
| 13:47.58 | Braindead | godzirra: route -n |
| 13:48.46 | pipeline | godzirra: route -n |
| 13:48.46 | godzirra | route -n does list the route, and it looks correct... |
| 13:48.55 | godzirra | but I still can't get out |
| 13:48.56 | pipeline | godzirra: "-n" means that it doesn't atttempt to do reverse DNS |
| 13:49.02 | pipeline | godzirra: So my guess would be that you don't have DNS :P |
| 13:49.03 | cydork | godzirra: dns problems |
| 13:49.04 | godzirra | Ahh. |
| 13:49.04 | Braindead | godzirra: then your dns is broken |
| 13:49.10 | godzirra | I'm trying to ping my gateway. |
| 13:49.14 | godzirra | nothing is hitting DNS yet :0o |
| 13:49.17 | godzirra | :) |
| 13:49.44 | jetscreamer | it's stupid allow-hotplug in /etc/network/interfaces i bet |
| 13:49.49 | godzirra | huh? |
| 13:50.20 | godzirra | there's no allow-hotplug or anything like that in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 13:50.36 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 13:50.42 | jetscreamer | wrong version |
| 13:50.43 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 13:51.09 | tralala | godzirra: route is hitting the dns when you start it without -n |
| 13:51.09 | jetscreamer | that's an etch 'goodie' |
| 13:51.20 | tralala | jetscreamer: nope, sarge has it as well |
| 13:51.27 | godzirra | tralala: Yes, and its failing bvecause I can't even get to my gateway. |
| 13:51.46 | valdyn | godzirra: tried ethtool / mii-tool yet? |
| 13:51.47 | tralala | godzirra: is your netmask correct? |
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| 13:52.09 | valdyn | godzirra: once you confirmed that hardware link is up you should probably paste your route -n |
| 13:52.34 | godzirra | the hardware link is indeed up. (Or at least it shows a green link on both ends) |
| 13:52.38 | godzirra | valdyn: not yet |
| 13:52.40 | godzirra | tralala: I believe so |
| 13:52.44 | godzirra | valdyn: and here it is: |
| 13:52.57 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 13:52.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 13:53.02 | valdyn | godzirra: do not paste in this channel |
| 13:53.09 | Trewas | biz: mpeg4 and mpeg2 are sufficiently different that they must be pretty much completely decoded and encoded, there is no shortcuts... but bad quality mpeg2-encoding is fast :) |
| 13:53.17 | godzirra | Sorry, I didnt know you wren't allowed to paste a single line, because that seems silly, but ok :) |
| 13:53.22 | jetscreamer | one is ok |
| 13:53.30 | valdyn | godzirra: you should still try mii-tool / ethtool ( whichever of both works for you ) |
| 13:53.59 | tralala | godzirra: if your route is only one line then there's definately something wrong |
| 13:54.10 | godzirra | valdyn: you rock. |
| 13:54.12 | godzirra | there's two ethernet cards. |
| 13:54.19 | godzirra | I assumed incorrectly which was eth0 |
| 13:54.19 | valdyn | godzirra: what did I do? |
| 13:54.22 | godzirra | sorry... its early. :/ |
| 13:54.29 | CRK-FOX | hey |
| 13:54.31 | godzirra | mii-tool went "hey, eth0 doesnt work, but eth1 does" |
| 13:54.39 | valdyn | godzirra: ok, nice |
| 13:54.51 | CRK-FOX | where I can set up he inet connection in debian??? |
| 13:55.02 | CRK-FOX | etc/network?? |
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| 13:55.10 | tralala | CRK-FOX: the debian installer usually takes care |
| 13:55.13 | valdyn | CRK-FOX: inet is not a useful description, tell us more about it |
| 13:55.42 | CRK-FOX | yes the debian installer set up the connection to internet |
| 13:55.47 | valdyn | CRK-FOX: /etc/network/interfaces is the file |
| 13:55.50 | CRK-FOX | but if I want to change some parameters |
| 13:55.59 | tralala | CRK-FOX: man interfaces |
| 13:56.12 | CRK-FOX | ok |
| 13:56.24 | valdyn | CRK-FOX: you might just want to read the FAQ too |
| 13:57.57 | CRK-FOX | someone knows a list of sources for apt-get??? |
| 13:58.05 | valdyn | CRK-FOX: run 'apt-setup' |
| 13:58.12 | CRK-FOX | ok |
| 13:58.26 | jetscreamer | !apt-spy |
| 13:58.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 13:58.52 | valdyn | i never found these tool useful really |
| 13:58.57 | valdyn | i never found these tool(s) useful really |
| 13:59.18 | Bhavesh | i always use debian.mirrors.kernel.org or something or other |
| 13:59.21 | jetscreamer | i've wound up handediting everything |
| 13:59.33 | jetscreamer | it's just easier |
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| 14:01.13 | tralala | I always use local mirrors |
| 14:01.24 | abrotman | as you should! |
| 14:01.45 | CRK-FOX | I'm using sarge-custom-0801.iso ... is this version 64 bits??? |
| 14:01.50 | Bhavesh | i try to use the one that's closest to me.. if i knew how to setup gatech.edu i would use that, they have insane amount of bandwith and they are physically 15 miles from my house |
| 14:01.52 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 14:01.53 | cydork | valdyn: it's good when you have lot of good servers :P |
| 14:02.00 | abrotman | Bhavesh: i told you how! |
| 14:02.15 | Bhavesh | abrotman: you did?! when?! |
| 14:02.41 | Bhavesh | abrotman: i mean i know how to setup sources.list i need to know the address /location of debian repository at gatech.edu |
| 14:02.52 | valdyn | CRK-FOX: somehow 'custom' does not sound like 'official debian release' to me ;) |
| 14:03.03 | abrotman | Bhavesh: don't make me smack you! |
| 14:03.05 | CRK-FOX | :O |
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| 14:03.47 | tralala | CRK-FOX: I would stay away from this if I were you |
| 14:03.50 | abrotman | Bhavesh: paste your sources |
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| 14:03.58 | Bhavesh | ouch |
| 14:04.00 | Bhavesh | don't hurt me |
| 14:04.10 | tralala | CRK-FOX: if you want amd64 there is only unofficial sarge |
| 14:04.22 | CRK-FOX | but |
| 14:04.31 | azeem | tralala: I prefer to call it "almost-official" :) |
| 14:04.37 | CRK-FOX | amd64 is for athlons?? |
| 14:04.44 | Bhavesh | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 14:04.44 | Bhavesh | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 14:04.50 | Bhavesh | all others are commented out |
| 14:04.54 | abrotman | http://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/debian/ <version> main contrib non-free |
| 14:04.59 | azeem | CRK-FOX: the 64bit athlons, opteron and xeons |
| 14:05.01 | Yamaraj | CRK-FOX: Does it look it it would be for PowerPCs? |
| 14:05.13 | azeem | Yamaraj: stop confusing people |
| 14:05.17 | Bhavesh | abrotman: got it |
| 14:05.18 | cydork | !tell CRK-FOX about amd64 |
| 14:05.18 | CRK-FOX | I have a Intel Xeon |
| 14:05.21 | abrotman | Bhavesh: does it work ? |
| 14:05.39 | Yamaraj | azeem: People are already confused. |
| 14:05.39 | azeem | CRK-FOX: if it is 64bit, amd64 is the right Debian arch |
| 14:05.41 | tralala | azeem: :) it's indeed almost official |
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| 14:06.03 | Bhavesh | lemme try |
| 14:06.05 | azeem | Yamaraj: so? Stop gratuitiously confusing them more |
| 14:06.11 | CRK-FOX | look my version is from this site http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
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| 14:06.30 | Yamaraj | azeem: Now, this is right. I'll stop confusing them 'more'. ;-) |
| 14:06.31 | tralala | Xeon? is this ia64? |
| 14:06.36 | CRK-FOX | I'm using sarge-custom-0801.iso ... is this version 64 bits??? |
| 14:06.50 | abrotman | Bhavesh: ? |
| 14:06.54 | Bhavesh | seems like it |
| 14:06.57 | azeem | Yamaraj: I'm serious. |
| 14:07.01 | Bhavesh | i did aptitude autoclean to clean out old debs |
| 14:07.03 | tralala | CRK-FOX: don't use this version. |
| 14:07.09 | Bhavesh | commented out other source and running aptitude update |
| 14:07.10 | azeem | CRK-FOX: where do you have this from? |
| 14:07.18 | cydork | CRK-FOX: yes it is. |
| 14:07.22 | CRK-FOX | from this channel look |
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| 14:07.35 | CRK-FOX | <dpkg> if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
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| 14:07.40 | Bhavesh | abrotman: it's working .. just for the hack of it, i ran aptitude upgrade |
| 14:08.05 | kakkl | OMFG http://www.nanoy.org/se.php?id=65 got defaced LOL |
| 14:08.17 | abrotman | HAHA .. tard |
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| 14:08.49 | abrotman | kakkl: do you have anything debian related to say ? |
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| 14:10.16 | CRK-FOX | so? |
| 14:10.48 | tralala | CRK-FOX: this is 64bit http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/2.6.16/amd64/sarge-custom-0801.iso |
| 14:10.59 | Yamaraj | Why do you must run a 64-bit Debian? Any specific requirements? |
| 14:11.16 | CRK-FOX | damn |
| 14:11.23 | cydork | heh |
| 14:11.45 | tralala | Yamaraj: I run it because I have a 64bit cpu and it's a shame to cripple it with 32bit software (I've paid for it after all). |
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| 14:13.01 | Yamaraj | That's not a solid reason for using a half-baked thing. |
| 14:13.18 | Yamaraj | Most 64-bit GNU/Linux distributions are crippled in one way or another. |
| 14:13.25 | tralala | Yamaraj: how do you know it's half-baked? |
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| 14:13.51 | pipeline | tralala: It's not "crippled" with 32 bit software. |
| 14:13.54 | abrotman | tralala: OMFG .. no flash! |
| 14:13.58 | pipeline | tralala: And it's half baked in that most ISVs don't support it. |
| 14:14.04 | pipeline | abrotman: Not strictly true; gnash works pretty well now. |
| 14:14.06 | valdyn | Yamaraj: please back up your ( baseless ) claims with facts |
| 14:14.15 | abrotman | pipeline: that doesn't make the distro half-baked .. that makes ISV support half-assed |
| 14:14.32 | abrotman | pipeline: gnash is not flash .. it's getting there .. but not yet |
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| 14:14.46 | valdyn | tralala: 32-bit software is not necessarily at a disadvantage to 64-bit software, and even has some inherent benefits |
| 14:14.53 | tralala | abrotman: oh, NOOO, please, no! |
| 14:15.03 | pipeline | valdyn: benefits to fewer registers? o_0 |
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| 14:15.54 | Yamaraj | I have Google on my behalf to present the facts why 64-bit Linuxen are still not ready for action. |
| 14:16.03 | valdyn | pipeline: benefits that can circumstantially outway the register disadvantage |
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| 14:16.26 | tralala | valdyn: the software I mainly use (multimedia processing) is |
| 14:16.41 | CRK-FOX | so |
| 14:16.46 | cydork | Yamaraj: linux is ready some stuff is not :P |
| 14:17.13 | tralala | Yamaraj: you might want to tell google that I've been using it for over an year now without any complaints and my work hasn't been half-done during this time |
| 14:17.13 | CRK-FOX | what do you say.... keep my 32 bit version? or install the 64 bits version |
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| 14:17.21 | valdyn | CRK-FOX: keep yours |
| 14:17.26 | pipeline | CRK-FOX: Stick with 32 bit. |
| 14:17.41 | CRK-FOX | ok 32bits is my name :P |
| 14:17.51 | abrotman | what does google have to do with 64bit software ? |
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| 14:18.03 | Yamaraj | CRK-FOX: If yours is a desktop/laptop system with no specific requirements for 64GBs of RAM, 32-bit should do just fine. |
| 14:18.28 | Yamaraj | abrotman: Apparantly, Google provides a search facility. |
| 14:18.37 | dragonfly | this may be more of a browser specific question, but when i open a pdf in firefox, it shows me the first page but i can't get to any other pages |
| 14:18.41 | abrotman | Yamaraj: and what? |
| 14:18.50 | tralala | I encode my dv videos to mpeg 3 times as faster in 64bit mode. Take this for what's worthed. |
| 14:18.55 | valdyn | dragonfly: click on that page, then use page up / page down |
| 14:18.58 | abrotman | their custom software that isn't open source doesn't compile cleanly on a 64bit cpu ? |
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| 14:19.33 | Yamaraj | abrotman: Ugh! People can search on Google why 64-bit Linuxen aren't quite ready for desktops yet. Urrgh! |
| 14:19.47 | dragonfly | ahh, thank you valdyn....how bout to zoom in/out to read it better? |
| 14:19.59 | valdyn | dragonfly: + and - keys |
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| 14:20.08 | abrotman | Yamaraj: but they are |
| 14:20.20 | valdyn | dragonfly: i think this is the evince plugin, it certainly could use _some_ GUI |
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| 14:20.35 | dragonfly | is there instructions for that somewhere? b/c i looked and couldn't find anything |
| 14:20.41 | dragonfly | yes, it definately could :P |
| 14:20.57 | valdyn | dragonfly: you could try the evince docs, i'd guess that the same keys work in the plugin |
| 14:20.59 | alasarr | hi! I've a problem with sata seageate |
| 14:21.09 | Yamaraj | tralala: On the same system? I don't think 64-bit provides 3 times as much advantage against a similarly configured 32-bit system. |
| 14:21.11 | alasarr | can something helpe me?? |
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| 14:21.21 | Yamaraj | abrotman: They are not. |
| 14:21.26 | abrotman | they are |
| 14:21.26 | valdyn | tralala: that doesnt make sense |
| 14:21.39 | Yamaraj | They are not. |
| 14:21.49 | abrotman | Yamaraj: needs differ from person to person .. for me .. they're ready .. you have some wacky need .. for you they're not |
| 14:22.07 | valdyn | tralala: 2.x time faster is the maximum theoretical benefit afaik, practically its less |
| 14:22.14 | CRK-FOX | I'm on a Dell Poweredge 1950 |
| 14:22.15 | alasarr | please |
| 14:22.16 | dragonfly | thank you |
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| 14:22.33 | Yamaraj | abrotman: Then, they're still not ready. It's all just subjective. |
| 14:22.41 | cydork | alasarr: we cant help unless you ask. |
| 14:22.43 | abrotman | alasarr: ask a better question |
| 14:22.51 | abrotman | Yamaraj: that's what i just said .. stop arguing |
| 14:23.01 | tralala | valdyn, Yamaraj: on the _same_ system. Athlon64 3000+ 512RAM. Try it yourself - I use kino to do the encoding (it actually uses ffmpeg I think). |
| 14:23.02 | valdyn | tralala: well, maybe your hitting some funny compiler optimisation issue |
| 14:23.07 | abrotman | Yamaraj: you have some retarded need .. like flash porn .. so for you 64bit linux isn't any good |
| 14:23.21 | cydork | abrotman: i was just goin to say that :P |
| 14:23.28 | valdyn | tralala: 586 optimised 32bit vs amd64 optised 64 bit.. i can imagine that |
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| 14:23.36 | valdyn | tralala: still this is huge |
| 14:23.40 | tralala | valdyn: I don't care. I can't be bothered to become a compiling expert only to compress my movies |
| 14:23.51 | abrotman | alasarr: what doesn't work with sata seagate ? |
| 14:24.02 | alasarr | I've got ten sata disk, five are maxtor and five seagate, when I start with maxtor not problem |
| 14:24.14 | abrotman | and you've got too much money :) |
| 14:24.27 | Yamaraj | abrotman: Your opinion is entirely your own. They don't have anything to do with the reality here. Let's end it now. |
| 14:24.29 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:24.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:24.31 | alasarr | because when I start with the five disc seagate all the disk fails |
| 14:24.35 | tralala | valdyn: Even if you can tweak the things to reduce the difference 64bit still has the potential to give you significant performance increases in this area |
| 14:24.40 | abrotman | Yamaraj: works fine for me .. you must be broken |
| 14:24.42 | alasarr | sorry, my english is bad ...xDD |
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| 14:24.51 | valdyn | alasarr: you might be hitting a power spike issue there as 10 disks are spinning up at once |
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| 14:24.58 | werdna_ | sup |
| 14:25.18 | tralala | Yamaraj: do you actually have a 64bit cpu? |
| 14:25.19 | abrotman | don't most disks have a 'delay' start jumper ? |
| 14:25.29 | abrotman | (or is that just scsi) |
| 14:25.35 | alasarr | what?? |
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| 14:25.36 | beardy | abrotman: Probably scsi. |
| 14:25.39 | peppo | since some recent upgrade in debian, all I see in GTK2/GNOME file open dialogues are ~/, Desktop, File System and some unmounted devices. all mounted devices and partitions are missing! |
| 14:25.44 | valdyn | abrotman: i dont think so, but he's probably not even trying to use that anyway |
| 14:25.48 | Yamaraj | tralala: They aren't antics. I have 3 of 'em. |
| 14:25.55 | stew | i've installed all of my 64 bit machines as amd64, i'm still trying to figure out why people would recommend i didn't, so far everything is good for me |
| 14:26.03 | yaboo | hey all gather xorg under unstable is broken? |
| 14:26.19 | abrotman | why would you say that ? |
| 14:26.19 | beardy | yaboo: Check the bts. |
| 14:26.24 | stew | yaboo: /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:26.26 | alasarr | I think that in then jumper can be the problem |
| 14:26.42 | tralala | Yamaraj: so have you ever run debian amd64 on any of them? |
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| 14:26.58 | Sy_Dan | hey, anybody no off the top of there heads how to manually set a dns server? |
| 14:27.03 | alasarr | how can I configure the jumper or where can I got information about?? |
| 14:27.17 | bmalee | Sy_Dan, in resolv.conf? |
| 14:27.19 | beardy | Sy_Dan: DHCP fucking with yours? |
| 14:27.42 | Yamaraj | tralala: Yes, and SUSE too. |
| 14:27.49 | stew | one GOOD thing that has come from me moving my desktop to amd64 is that i got more work from one of my higher paying clients when i was able to tell him that his code wasn't 64 bit clean :) |
| 14:28.03 | Sy_Dan | nah, for some weird reson i'm having to manually set my ISP dns server on machines behind my gateway |
| 14:28.04 | tralala | Yamaraj: and? What are the complaints? What's not ready or half-baked? |
| 14:28.28 | beardy | Sy_Dan: Not weird at all. |
| 14:28.38 | alasarr | because the kernel module is the correct, and I upgrade the bios |
| 14:28.38 | k31th | what is webdav? |
| 14:28.52 | stew | !webdav |
| 14:28.52 | dpkg | i guess webdav is "Web-based Distributed Authoring and Versioning". It is a set of extensions to the HTTP protocol which allows users to collaboratively edit and manage files on remote web servers. |
| 14:29.01 | tralala | Yamaraj: and I'm not asking about suse, of course. |
| 14:29.02 | alasarr | and I don move the jumper |
| 14:29.21 | Yamaraj | tralala: Debian AMD64 isn't officially released yet. It's still beta quality. As for SUSE, it was buggy like ****. |
| 14:29.25 | alasarr | abrotman: and the disk are new |
| 14:30.15 | Sy_Dan | beardy: oh, didn't no, the net was intermitently working and than i tried setting it and they all started working. but for some reason when i set it in the KDE control centre it disappears after a reboot |
| 14:30.20 | valdyn | Yamaraj: debian's 'unofficial' amd64 is mainly just a word, its even officially supported by the security team |
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| 14:30.57 | Yamaraj | valdyn: Yes. That's why I'll recommend it to people once it goes gold. |
| 14:31.10 | tralala | Yamaraj: as I said I don't care about suse. It's 32bit version could be just as bad but that's certainly not my problem. You can support your 'beta quality' claim by giving an example of what's buggy in sarge amd64 that's not buggy in i386. |
| 14:31.31 | stew | Yamaraj: in what ways is it beta quality? |
| 14:31.47 | stew | Yamaraj: its officially supported by the security team, so thats not an issue anymore |
| 14:32.05 | stew | oh, valdyn beat me to that one |
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| 14:32.25 | c_k | hi all, I have setup vlan support on my newly installed Debian server however surely there should be no IP address linked directly to eth0 and all the IP config should be on eth0.x etc? |
| 14:32.28 | abrotman | alasarr: which controller .. which drives? |
| 14:32.44 | c_k | as a result I am unable to ping the IP address on the eth0 which is also a part of eth0.101 |
| 14:32.46 | c_k | anyone able to advise |
| 14:32.47 | Sirius_Black | hi guys - how do i check if i am running a stock kernel? |
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| 14:32.58 | abrotman | Sirius_Black: cat /proc/version |
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| 14:33.31 | valdyn | Sirius_Black: you can verify that really ( against malicious intent ), but you can compare the version values as abrotman said |
| 14:33.34 | Sirius_Black | abrotman: Linux version 2.6.16-2-686 (Debian 2.6.16-18 |
| 14:33.40 | abrotman | that's not the whole thing |
| 14:33.45 | valdyn | s/can/cant/ |
| 14:33.53 | Yamaraj | tralala: If it's not released yet, it *is* beta quality. Besides, a desktop user might find it annoying that many applications, and yes, flash isn't supported on 64-bit. |
| 14:33.57 | abrotman | and i can tell you that you're out of date .. etch/sid have 2.6.17 |
| 14:34.00 | alasarr | abrotman: sata |
| 14:34.12 | abrotman | alasarr: no .. which drive model .. which controller model |
| 14:34.14 | Yamaraj | s/isn't/aren't |
| 14:34.17 | Sirius_Black | it's just that I wanna install nvidia drivers and none of the quick methods in thw wiki are working for me. i think my card is too old :-( |
| 14:34.21 | abrotman | tralala: see .. Yamaraj needs flash porn! |
| 14:34.24 | stew | Yamaraj: is there something concrete about its quality that you could give us? |
| 14:34.32 | abrotman | Sirius_Black: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 14:34.39 | alasarr | abrotman: silicon Image, sil 3112 an I tested with sata_sil and siiimage |
| 14:34.42 | stew | Yamaraj: it is released |
| 14:34.47 | cydork | stew: he just wants flash :P |
| 14:34.48 | Sirius_Black | abrotman: nothing |
| 14:34.49 | valdyn | Sirius_Black: you need an official debian kernel that is _still_ supported and still in debian, yours is afaik |
| 14:34.54 | abrotman | Sirius_Black: there has to be something |
| 14:35.09 | abrotman | alasarr: and which drive model ? |
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| 14:35.16 | valdyn | Sirius_Black: run update-pciids and try again ( the lspci stuff ) |
| 14:35.17 | stew | Yamaraj: "tralala: If it's not released yet, it *is* beta quality", it is released. does that make it not beta quality now? |
| 14:35.31 | Sirius_Black | abrotman: 02:0a.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15) |
| 14:35.31 | alasarr | abrotman: te driver is good because the maxtor run without problems |
| 14:35.48 | abrotman | alasarr: no .. actually .. that card has lots of issues .. and mixed with seagate is a known issue |
| 14:35.59 | abrotman | Sirius_Black: i don't think you need the binary nvidia drivers |
| 14:36.00 | valdyn | Sirius_Black: you should probably just use the 'nv' driver anyway |
| 14:36.11 | tralala | Yamaraj: that's empty speaking. I don't care what "a desktop user" might find annoying. I'm a desktop user and I will not cripple my 64bit cpu with 32bit OS and even if they make official 64bit flash I wouldn't use it for it's a piece of shit. So basically you don't have anything to say about the 64bit quality of debian, do you? |
| 14:36.15 | abrotman | apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 14:36.17 | Braindead | Sirius_Black: install the nvidia-legacy driver if you wanna use the proprietary drivers. you won't get so much juice out of it anyway,you'd better stick to the nv driver |
| 14:36.21 | Sirius_Black | abrotman: do you think i should nbe able to compile the drivers myself |
| 14:36.23 | valdyn | Sirius_Black: for opengl that card cant do much anyway, even if it was supported by nvidia drivers |
| 14:36.45 | Sirius_Black | :-( |
| 14:36.56 | Sirius_Black | anyway thnx guys |
| 14:37.04 | alasarr | abrotman: 0000:02:0c.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3112 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02 |
| 14:37.08 | stew | i'm a desktop user and the fact that there is no flash for 64 bit is actually news to me |
| 14:37.17 | Yamaraj | tralala: Yes, I do. It's still an 'unofficial' release. Like I said before, I will recommend it once it's officially released. |
| 14:37.37 | tralala | abrotman: he needs to show himself educated by google but unfortunately google has failed him on this one... |
| 14:37.45 | Yamaraj | It's like Slamd64. Working, but unofficial. |
| 14:37.50 | Braindead | Yamaraj: ah so you think there's gonna be an official flash plugin for the time it's gold? |
| 14:38.05 | Braindead | because it's the only difference you were able to point out... |
| 14:38.11 | Yamaraj | Braindead: I don't fscking care for the Flash plugin. |
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| 14:38.30 | abrotman | then WHAT about pure64 doesn't work for you ? |
| 14:38.40 | abrotman | alasarr: that's nto the drive model |
| 14:38.42 | tralala | Yamaraj: I never asked you for your feelings about it being unofficial. I called your claim for it being "half-baked". |
| 14:38.57 | stew | and beta quality |
| 14:39.03 | Braindead | and stuff!!!1 |
| 14:39.22 | alasarr | abortman: how?? |
| 14:39.22 | Yamaraj | tralala: Enough! Get off my tail now. If it's working for you, go use it. |
| 14:39.40 | abrotman | alasarr: look on them? |
| 14:39.42 | abrotman | or the invoice? |
| 14:39.45 | tyler_ | how long should an initial charge of a new li-polymer battery be? anyone please? |
| 14:39.54 | abrotman | tyler_: ask #hardware .. maybe? |
| 14:39.56 | valdyn | realistically its more like: amd64 debian sarge is JUST like any other debian release except that its unofficial for purely release-technical reasons |
| 14:40.05 | tralala | Yamaraj: if you are to spread fud about debian in here you better do it well. Now you simply look stupid. |
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| 14:40.07 | Braindead | tyler_: read the instructions. or www.batteryuniversity.com btw you're off topic |
| 14:40.41 | abrotman | tralala: don't you like irrational arguments? :) |
| 14:40.50 | stew | Yamaraj: sorry if you are feeling ganged up on. my motivation is honestly becuase i DO in fact recommend amd64 to people in here often. if there are actual reasons not to, i would like to know them. it seems like a lot of people recommend i386 over amd64, but nobody seems to have a reason that would make me not recommend amd64 |
| 14:40.55 | Yamaraj | tralala: No, I would be stupid for recommending a beta quality software to a newbie. |
| 14:41.01 | abrotman | what makes it beta? |
| 14:41.04 | Ronin | here we go again |
| 14:41.08 | abrotman | since you haven't answered that yet :) |
| 14:41.14 | valdyn | !amd65 |
| 14:41.16 | valdyn | !amd64 |
| 14:41.17 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 14:41.18 | abrotman | extra bit! |
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| 14:41.28 | Braindead | it's not GOLD! (always believe in your soul...) |
| 14:41.29 | abrotman | run! |
| 14:41.37 | enouf | the wheels on the bus go round and round ... |
| 14:41.38 | stew | Yamaraj: right. none of us would want to recommend amd64 if it were beta quality. but you haven't been able to give us any reasons to believe that it is beta quality |
| 14:41.46 | valdyn | stew: ^^^ reasons i added this is flash and oo, which people who come in here quite often tend to whine about |
| 14:42.21 | abrotman | enouf: just sit int he back and smoke some grass .. you'll be fine :) |
| 14:42.21 | Yamaraj | I'm not going to answer a dozen of you. |
| 14:42.21 | abrotman | so answer ONE of us |
| 14:42.22 | Ronin | Yamaraj: then answer one |
| 14:42.22 | cydork | hehe |
| 14:42.23 | Yamaraj | Which one? :-P |
| 14:42.24 | Braindead | don't hit under the belt! |
| 14:42.27 | enouf | takes the amphetamine out of abrotman's possession |
| 14:42.29 | abrotman | what about pure64 sarge is broken/beta ? besides flash/oo .. which we all know |
| 14:42.46 | stew | valdyn: well my take on that is that with my current amd64, i can easily run either 32 or 64 bit software, with i386 i can only run 32 bit, so i don't see i386 as an advantage at all there |
| 14:42.50 | stew | (yay schroot!) |
| 14:43.24 | valdyn | stew: actualy it works both ways |
| 14:43.26 | tyler_ | Braindead, battery university is not hoset.... seems that my battery without coniditioning sucks |
| 14:43.32 | abrotman | and of course .. most don't care about flash .. and there are alternatives to OO |
| 14:43.33 | secher_ | anyone know why single quotes in my Eterm are coming out as ascii noise? Same ascii noise each time, but nonetheless. |
| 14:43.36 | stew | valdyn: hmm, yeah, right |
| 14:43.36 | tyler_ | i read that too before |
| 14:43.39 | valdyn | stew: i386 has amd64 kernels too |
| 14:43.40 | tyler_ | i dont trust them |
| 14:43.49 | stew | valdyn: not in etch though |
| 14:43.54 | abrotman | tyler_: then read the manual or call the manuf .. it's not related to debian .. at all |
| 14:43.56 | Yamaraj | It's beta quality (for me), since Etch AMD64 isn't out yet. And I don't consider unofficial builds secure of supported, no matter whatever is claimed. |
| 14:44.01 | Yamaraj | Is that enough? |
| 14:44.01 | abrotman | WHY?!?! |
| 14:44.12 | abrotman | WHAT DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU? |
| 14:44.14 | stew | Yamaraj: no. becuase you haven't said anything real about the quality |
| 14:44.16 | azeem | Yamaraj: amd64/sarge is supported by security.debian.org |
| 14:45.04 | Ronin | heh |
| 14:45.04 | secher_ | abrotman is getting mwilsonized. |
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| 14:45.13 | Yamaraj | 64-bit is not well-suited for desktops, since most applications eat 1.5x as much memory. I installed Debian AMD64 on my brothers system, and he couldn't get Cedega up for gaming. Sounds reasonable? |
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| 14:45.26 | stew | Yamaraj: unless you are saying that in your mind, the quality changes when they change the label from "unofficial" to "official" even if none of the actual software changes |
| 14:45.30 | Guerin | i hear a lot of peopl talking about how certain folk are turning into mwilson, here |
| 14:45.37 | cydork | yay another reason is games :P |
| 14:45.56 | nate | Anyone know how to get a bonded interface (bond0) to come up via dhcp? I can only get it to work with a static IP using the network scripts |
| 14:45.56 | abrotman | you can't play windows games on linux .. and this makes it beta ? |
| 14:45.57 | Yamaraj | stew: If the quality is the same, why not simply call it 'official'? Answer me! |
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| 14:45.58 | Guerin | do people actually remember what mwilson was like? |
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| 14:46.09 | secher_ | I do. |
| 14:46.12 | abrotman | Guerin: Did you even read the manual? |
| 14:46.14 | secher_ | I was here then. |
| 14:46.24 | Guerin | abrotman: the mwilson manual? No. |
| 14:46.29 | secher_ | Hell, I remember ElectrifElf. |
| 14:46.31 | abrotman | Guerin: You clearly are not capable of running a toaster. Please refrain from connecting your computer to the internet! |
| 14:46.36 | secher_ | LOL |
| 14:46.38 | Braindead | ah so now the matter is flash and *cedega* |
| 14:46.40 | mateuszk | Yamaraj, ? why cedega ? |
| 14:46.41 | Guerin | abrotman: now we're cooking. |
| 14:46.42 | abrotman | Guerin: how's that ? |
| 14:46.42 | secher_ | ROTFLOL |
| 14:47.02 | mateuszk | Yamaraj, actually winehq can run more games than cedega.. |
| 14:47.14 | Yamaraj | mateuszk: Why would I know? It's my brother's machine. He is free to run whatever he wants to. |
| 14:47.17 | stew | Yamaraj: because amd64 wasn't ready when sarge was first starting to freeze 3 years ago, it was ready by the time the sarge released 1.5 years ago |
| 14:47.20 | abrotman | or you could ... buy .. linux games ... |
| 14:47.21 | Guerin | and windows can run more than either. |
| 14:47.22 | Braindead | AMD64 hasn't brotha-approved seal of quality (TM) |
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| 14:47.29 | Guerin | why not use the proper tool for the job? |
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| 14:48.52 | Yamaraj | stew: Fine. I'll try it again when it's *official*. |
| 14:48.57 | abrotman | Yamaraj: there are plenty of linux games to purchse |
| 14:48.59 | tralala | Yamaraj: why don't you just stop giving qualifications to amd64 when you really don't have anything in particular to say about it? Just say that _you_ don't like it and everyone will be ok with this. |
| 14:49.03 | abrotman | and cedega STILL won't work right |
| 14:49.17 | beardy | Guerin: Who is talking, and who is turning into? |
| 14:49.18 | Braindead | tralala: his brother doesn't like it |
| 14:49.20 | chjunior | hi everybody! |
| 14:49.25 | Yamaraj | Guerin: I cannot tell my brother to use wine or Windows. If he insists on using Debian, he will. |
| 14:49.34 | tralala | Braindead: oh boy! :) |
| 14:49.52 | bmalee | AMD64 sucks because proprietary software doesn't bother support it. Makes sense to me. ;) |
| 14:49.54 | Yamaraj | tralala: I said that *long* ago. You just wanted to drag the discussion. |
| 14:50.02 | stew | Yamaraj: anyway, this came up becuase of CRK-FOX was trying to figure out which to install on his server, (which will likely not be running cedega or a flash enabled web browser)... |
| 14:50.05 | abrotman | Yamaraj: then buy him LINUX games .. they sell tons of them |
| 14:50.14 | Braindead | now you're making his little brother cry! soulless bastards |
| 14:50.20 | cydork | heheh |
| 14:50.20 | stew | bmalee: that makes proprietary software suck, not the platform, imho |
| 14:50.22 | tralala | Yamaraj: no, you said it was a "half-baked" beta quality which it isn't |
| 14:50.27 | chjunior | does somebody can open this stream? mms://server09.virgula.com.br/jovempanfm/ |
| 14:50.51 | bmalee | stew, hence the wink. I'm perfectly happy on AMD64 without Flash. :) |
| 14:51.03 | chjunior | here i'm having an error, but my internet is veeeery bad now, so I don't know if is a plugin error or a internet fault |
| 14:51.16 | stew | bmalee: ahh, missed the wink :) |
| 14:51.18 | abrotman | you konw .. games like AVP .. they do run on linux .. natively |
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| 14:51.30 | abrotman | mm .. Shogo:MAD |
| 14:51.40 | stew | i'm still getting 60 fps in nethack under amd64 |
| 14:51.45 | tralala | torcs - the best linux game _ever_!!!1 |
| 14:51.52 | valdyn | chjunior: that server isnt up |
| 14:51.57 | Braindead | don't forget www.truecombat.com |
| 14:51.58 | beardy | et |
| 14:52.07 | chjunior | valdyn thanks! |
| 14:52.45 | valdyn | chjunior: the 'computer' is , however not that stream |
| 14:53.17 | ofer0 | I got etch and I want to switch to sarge. what is the best way to do it? |
| 14:53.23 | Ronin | ofer0: reinstall |
| 14:53.29 | ofer0 | Ronin, can't do it |
| 14:53.31 | chjunior | valdyn: what?? |
| 14:53.39 | ofer0 | I have to downgrade |
| 14:53.40 | Ronin | ofer0: why not? theres no way to go backwards |
| 14:53.57 | cydork | ofer0: no downgrades are possible. |
| 14:53.59 | beardy | ofer0: Then try to do it, don't ask us, its not supprted. |
| 14:54.02 | Eclipser | who broke sid apache2 :< |
| 14:54.02 | valdyn | chjunior: the computer server09.virgula.com.br is up and running, that stream url gives nothing |
| 14:54.14 | ofer0 | I can switch to sarge sources and reinstall all applications |
| 14:54.51 | cydork | !downgrade |
| 14:54.51 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. But you can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 14:54.57 | beardy | ofer0: And you asked for the best way, and got the correct answer. |
| 14:54.59 | chjunior | valdyn, humm.... ok :D thank you :D I was thinking that my xmms/kaffeine were with some error (or the xine) |
| 14:55.20 | ofer0 | downgrading and fixing all the problems will take me less time than reinstalling and starting configuration all over again |
| 14:55.40 | Ronin | ofer0: not likely |
| 14:55.42 | cydork | !bless ofer0 |
| 14:55.42 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child ofer0, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 14:56.15 | beardy | Why? |
| 14:56.28 | beardy | A blessing is exactlt what he needed. |
| 14:56.32 | beardy | exactly |
| 14:57.00 | nocti | or a blowtorch |
| 14:57.08 | stew | !downgrade =~ s#later. But y#later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. Y# |
| 14:57.08 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 14:57.09 | Bhavesh | back |
| 14:57.15 | petemc | cydork: that could be misinterpreted |
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| 14:57.37 | cydork | petemc: i dont like the sound of that! :P |
| 14:57.55 | petemc | :) |
| 14:57.59 | Bhavesh | it was a good breakfast |
| 14:58.23 | abrotman | Yamaraj: just for reference .. to possibly get you off cedega/wine .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_Linux_games |
| 14:58.37 | abrotman | and i'm not sure that's up to date |
| 14:59.39 | godzirra | so can anyoen help me with raid array setup? I'm following the howto, but I have no "mkraid" command |
| 14:59.45 | godzirra | even after installing raidtools2 and mdadm |
| 14:59.54 | secher_ | Hrm. are we sure mwilson was not just some posessed ALICE bot? I can't seem to find him on google. all of the mwilsons who pop up seem more or less normal. |
| 15:00.17 | valdyn | godzirra: mdadm can do it all, read the manpage |
| 15:00.33 | godzirra | valdyn: Ok... i was just going off of the howto. |
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| 15:00.58 | xstasi` | hi |
| 15:01.08 | Yamaraj | abrotman: Thanks. Unfortunately, Oblivion, NFSMW and BF2 aren't listed - the games he plays mostly. |
| 15:01.10 | valdyn | godzirra: yep, that howto is outdated |
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| 15:01.17 | godzirra | valdyn: I'm getting "error opening /dev/md0" ... |
| 15:01.19 | xstasi` | is there a reason why apache-dev package doesn't provide http_connection.h and some other headers on debian sarge? |
| 15:01.22 | abrotman | Yamaraj: ah well .. put him on windows :) |
| 15:01.24 | godzirra | what is the device I should be using as a raid device? |
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| 15:02.16 | Yamaraj | abrotman: At most, I can get him to dual boot. ;-) |
| 15:02.22 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:02.52 | godzirra | anyone know? |
| 15:02.52 | valdyn | godzirra: do you understand what device nodes in /dev/ are? |
| 15:03.02 | godzirra | Somewhat. |
| 15:03.14 | valdyn | godzirra: if its not here, make it |
| 15:03.14 | godzirra | i've used them extensively, I don't understand the theory behind them completely. |
| 15:03.33 | valdyn | godzirra: but that might not help you, i dont even know how you triggered that error |
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| 15:03.58 | Yamaraj | I guess Etch will not have Gnome 2.16, right? I mean, it's not even in unstable properly. |
| 15:03.59 | godzirra | mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
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| 15:04.29 | cydork | xstasi`: coz there 2 types of that file are available? |
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| 15:05.07 | xstasi` | cydork: is this thing documented? |
| 15:05.18 | valdyn | godzirra: add the -a option |
| 15:05.29 | cydork | xstasi`: i dont know about that. |
| 15:05.58 | valdyn | godzirra: and read the manpage of mdadm for the documentation of that switch concerning it |
| 15:06.00 | xstasi` | what are you talking about then? |
| 15:06.32 | cydork | xstasi`: i mean i dont know if they are documented. |
| 15:06.41 | xstasi` | well, what do you know about that? |
| 15:06.54 | xstasi` | how can i make the damn source compile? |
| 15:07.08 | godzirra | ok. |
| 15:07.33 | cydork | xstasi`: use apt-file and search for that file . you will find 2 packages which will provide that. install the one which you want. |
| 15:07.44 | valdyn | godzirra: creating /dev/md0 manually ought to work too, but -a is certainly nicer |
| 15:07.45 | cydork | xstasi`: what are you compiling anyway? |
| 15:07.51 | xstasi` | mod nss |
| 15:07.54 | xstasi` | for fedora directory server |
| 15:08.00 | xstasi` | and it uses apache1 libs |
| 15:08.03 | xstasi` | not apache2's |
| 15:08.21 | xstasi` | i already found those two packages on p.d.o. but they're both apache2 |
| 15:08.28 | valdyn | !find http_connection.h |
| 15:09.03 | pipeline | xstasi`: Gah, don't bother downloading packages by hand. Apt will get packages for you. |
| 15:09.19 | xstasi` | pipeline: what are you talking about? |
| 15:09.38 | xstasi` | there is no fsckin package that contains that file |
| 15:09.52 | godzirra | valdyn: I'll read and asked questions if I have troubles. |
| 15:09.53 | xstasi` | there are two but that's an omonymous |
| 15:10.29 | valdyn | xstasi`: usr/include/apache2/http_connection.h devel/apache2-prefork-dev,devel/apache2-threaded-dev |
| 15:10.36 | pipeline | xstasi`: No. You're wrong, and you're looking in the wrong place. Consult your local apt cache. |
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| 15:10.59 | xstasi` | do you read what i say or what? |
| 15:11.03 | valdyn | !tell xstasi` -about search |
| 15:11.08 | xstasi` | mod nss from fds uses apache1 libs |
| 15:11.11 | xstasi` | *not* apache2 |
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| 15:12.13 | xstasi` | i tried to pass him that file from that package |
| 15:12.20 | xstasi` | and gcc was really really angry with me |
| 15:12.32 | xstasi` | that's almost surely a packaging issue or something |
| 15:12.55 | secher_ | <fnord> |
| 15:13.27 | xstasi` | btw |
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| 15:13.34 | xstasi` | i'll come back tomorrow, i have to go now.. |
| 15:13.34 | mergest | hi |
| 15:13.36 | xstasi` | see you |
| 15:14.06 | mergest | i have got e boot problem with grub, can anybody help me with this? |
| 15:14.07 | CRK-FOX | how I can start installation menu again in debian??? (to install dns, ftp, email, etc... with a wizzard?) |
| 15:14.25 | Bhavesh | mergest: state what type of problem do you have? |
| 15:14.27 | valdyn | CRK-FOX: tasksel |
| 15:14.28 | godzirra | valdyn: Now I get a warning telling me "largest drive (/dev/sda1) exceed size (1445696K) by more than 1%. |
| 15:14.44 | cydork | CRK-FOX: run tasksel |
| 15:14.44 | stew | CRK-FOX: run "tasksel" or run aptitude and select tasks from the tasks section |
| 15:14.44 | mergest | deb-conf |
| 15:14.44 | godzirra | And it does exceed that size. /dev/sdb1 is 180 gigs. |
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| 15:14.47 | pabl0 | hi, is there any way to know which application is using a port? |
| 15:14.53 | valdyn | godzirra: its a warning, nothing else |
| 15:15.03 | djr | pabl0: fuser <port>/<proto> |
| 15:15.05 | godzirra | Ok, just making sure it wasnt going to try and use the size it warned :) |
| 15:15.06 | pabl0 | seems another process is using my port 80 bu tI can't find it |
| 15:15.14 | valdyn | godzirra: you dont have to use whole drives for a raid, nothing wrong |
| 15:15.14 | djr | fuser 80/tcp |
| 15:15.15 | Fox | pabl0: lsof -i:port |
| 15:15.20 | mergest | Bhavesh, i installed windows an removed my mbr so... now i installed the grub mbr new |
| 15:15.25 | possie | nate: i found something at http://blog.stevenkroon.com/2006/08/29/debian-update-alternatives/ |
| 15:15.31 | mergest | no i tried it |
| 15:15.32 | godzirra | Can I? i'd rather use the whole drive. |
| 15:15.51 | mergest | Bhavesh, no i got the error : /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 15:15.52 | CRK-FOX | tasksel give me errors |
| 15:15.54 | De_Mon | how do I pipe 2 commands into sort? -- like `echo foo` and `echo bar` | sort |
| 15:15.55 | godzirra | but its telling me /dev/sda1 is busy when I try and create teh array |
| 15:16.01 | godzirra | and it is busy... its the mounted file system. |
| 15:16.05 | pabl0 | thanks! |
| 15:16.19 | valdyn | godzirra: why are you trying to add a mounted partition to a raid? |
| 15:16.45 | godzirra | because I had to install raidtools somewhere (/dev/sda1) befoer I could -run- the raid tools. :p |
| 15:17.21 | De_Mon | godzirra this is where a floppy disk or cd distribution would be helpful |
| 15:17.27 | mergest | my comand was : grub-install /dev/hda |
| 15:17.27 | mergest | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.27 | mergest | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.35 | mergest | ups sorry |
| 15:17.43 | godzirra | De_Mon: the floppy disk isnt going to have raid tools on it is it? |
| 15:17.49 | godzirra | I have the net install cd... will that work? |
| 15:19.18 | De_Mon | duno, never tried :) |
| 15:19.29 | godzirra | hrm |
| 15:19.43 | godzirra | it tells me /dev/md0 is already initialized now |
| 15:19.47 | godzirra | how do I uninitialzie it? |
| 15:19.51 | werdna_ | Costume for October = President Bush, or Dick Chenay with a Shot GUN of course. |
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| 15:20.42 | mergest | got anyone a idea? |
| 15:21.00 | De_Mon | godzirra google suggests you read: http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:EzTZq9FlQccJ:alioth.debian.org/download.php/555/rootraiddoc.91a.htm+raidtools+debian+net+install&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7&client=firefox-a |
| 15:21.41 | godzirra | Ah, thanks very much De_Mon |
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| 15:22.46 | De_Mon | it was all google, all I did was search |
| 15:22.46 | CRK-FOX | kde is not free? |
| 15:22.46 | Ronin | CRK-FOX: kde is free |
| 15:22.48 | mergest | i search with google too but it cant help me |
| 15:22.56 | mergest | :( |
| 15:22.58 | CRK-FOX | tasksel give me errors |
| 15:23.03 | CRK-FOX | what can I do? |
| 15:23.13 | mergest | apt-get update ? ^^ |
| 15:23.16 | azeem | CRK-FOX: tell us the error |
| 15:23.20 | Ronin | CRK-FOX: start with telling us therror |
| 15:23.21 | CRK-FOX | ok |
| 15:23.23 | CRK-FOX | wait |
| 15:23.28 | CRK-FOX | :P |
| 15:23.39 | mergest | oh nice fuck |
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| 15:23.49 | godzirra | hrm |
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| 15:23.53 | Ronin | pardon? |
| 15:23.54 | godzirra | I'm using 2.6.16 from backports. |
| 15:23.59 | godzirra | how do I get that to work with kernel-package |
| 15:24.21 | azeem | godzirra: why kernel-package? |
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| 15:24.34 | CRK-FOX | tasksel show me errors like: mozzilla-browser depends: asdasdasd 2.3.0 but is not installable |
| 15:24.37 | epsilon | just take vanilla from kernel.org |
| 15:24.38 | godzirra | *shrug* Thats what the howto said to use. |
| 15:24.41 | godzirra | ok. |
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| 15:25.00 | stew | CRK-FOX: run apt-setup |
| 15:25.29 | epsilon | i have one sarge-server with 2.6.18, running fine |
| 15:25.34 | CRK-FOX | I'm on apt-seup |
| 15:25.37 | CRK-FOX | I'm on apt-setup |
| 15:26.34 | dimir | !nickometer CRK-FOX |
| 15:26.35 | dpkg | 'CRK-FOX' is 99.740% lame, dimir |
| 15:26.37 | dimir | \o/ |
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| 15:26.45 | CRK-FOX | LOL |
| 15:26.49 | godzirra | !nickometer godzirra |
| 15:26.50 | dpkg | 'godzirra' is 0.000% lame, godzirra |
| 15:26.54 | godzirra | Woot! |
| 15:26.57 | dimir | :-D |
| 15:27.04 | secher_ | nickometer secher |
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| 15:27.12 | secher_ | !nickometer secher |
| 15:27.13 | dpkg | 'secher' is 0.000% lame, secher_ |
| 15:27.22 | secher_ | Sahweet. |
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| 15:27.49 | epsilon | !nickometer secher_ |
| 15:27.49 | dimir | ye, keep it simple and readable. |
| 15:27.50 | dpkg | 'secher_' is 0.000% lame, epsilon |
| 15:27.50 | Bhavesh | hey |
| 15:27.51 | CRK-FOX | I'm proud being a lame because I want to learn debian :P |
| 15:28.00 | Bhavesh | !nickometer |
| 15:28.02 | dpkg | '' is 0.000% lame, bhavesh |
| 15:28.07 | tuxub | what is the syntax to use one global rsync filter file? |
| 15:28.07 | Bhavesh | !nickometer Bhavesh |
| 15:28.11 | dpkg | 'Bhavesh' is 0.000% lame, bhavesh |
| 15:28.11 | azeem | Bhavesh: stop |
| 15:28.13 | Bhavesh | woohoo |
| 15:28.17 | Bhavesh | azeem: sorry |
| 15:28.24 | tuxub | !nickometer tuxub |
| 15:28.26 | dpkg | 'tuxub' is 0.000% lame, tuxub |
| 15:28.26 | Bhavesh | i am still learning about this channel |
| 15:28.34 | cydork | stop abusing the bot! |
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| 15:28.46 | Bhavesh | we need two bots |
| 15:28.49 | secher_ | !abuse dpkg |
| 15:28.49 | dpkg | dpkg: Shut your festering gob, you tit! |
| 15:28.52 | dimir | you all can /msg dpkg nickometer <nick> |
| 15:28.52 | godzirra | no. we dont. |
| 15:28.58 | secher_ | we ahve 2 bots. |
| 15:29.01 | epsilon | !nickometer g3nt00 |
| 15:29.01 | Bhavesh | one for abuse |
| 15:29.01 | azeem | Bhavesh: well, don't use ! for more than one off-topic (i.e. non Debian support) factoid in a row |
| 15:29.02 | dpkg | 'g3nt00' is 56.000% lame, epsilon |
| 15:29.03 | godzirra | one bot is more than enough. |
| 15:29.04 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.07 | cydork | Bhavesh: there are 3 normally. |
| 15:29.21 | azeem | the next one who runs nickometer in the chan will be silenced |
| 15:29.26 | Bhavesh | ok one for testing purpose, second for important information 3rd for play |
| 15:29.30 | azeem | Bhavesh: eh, no play |
| 15:29.33 | RichiH | what do i do to set a screen password again? 'ctrl-a :password foo' or what? |
| 15:29.37 | secher_ | Apt is still my fave girl. |
| 15:29.42 | Ronin | Bhavesh: if you want to play with bots go check out efnet |
| 15:29.43 | godzirra | for GNU screen? |
| 15:29.45 | Bhavesh | almost like three version of bots :) |
| 15:29.47 | godzirra | ctrl-x I believe |
| 15:29.48 | RichiH | godzirra: yep |
| 15:29.50 | CRK-FOX | hey I configure apt-setup and get the same errors... gnome: depende: gnome-office (= 64) pero no es instalable |
| 15:29.55 | Bhavesh | ctrl-x will lock the screen |
| 15:29.56 | godzirra | ctrl-a x |
| 15:29.58 | godzirra | rather |
| 15:30.02 | Bhavesh | sorry right |
| 15:30.04 | azeem | CRK-FOX: are you trying on unstable? |
| 15:30.15 | Bhavesh | ctrl-a x will lock it, you can unlock the screen with the account password |
| 15:30.22 | Bhavesh | Ronin: there already :) |
| 15:30.32 | CRK-FOX | mmm may be |
| 15:30.49 | azeem | CRK-FOX: check your sources.list |
| 15:30.58 | azeem | unstable isn't guaranteed to have useful tasksel |
| 15:31.05 | RichiH | ctral-a :password\n then it prompts |
| 15:31.08 | RichiH | thanks :) |
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| 15:34.13 | CRK-FOX | exim vs postfix... give me some votes... |
| 15:34.23 | godzirra | So is there a way to make sure the current modules/settings enabled in my kernel stay enabled with my new kernel? |
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| 15:34.26 | godzirra | I like postfix. |
| 15:34.28 | petemc | CRK-FOX: try them both and see which you prefer |
| 15:34.50 | MrKeuner | is there a utility that checks if th ebinaries on my system are actual binaries distributed by debian? |
| 15:34.52 | Gathond | postfix, buts thats mostly because I'm apparently totally unable to make exim do anything |
| 15:34.53 | godzirra | yup. totally a matter of personal preference. |
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| 15:36.38 | qailer | hello people, I'm trying to compile a test libtorrent client, but I get errors, I'm not sure if I got all the packages, or how to flag gcc to compile with the right librarys, http://paste.uni.cc/10560 |
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| 15:37.01 | godzirra | So anyone know if there's a way to make sure the current modules/settings enabled in my kernel stay enabled with my new kernel? |
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| 15:37.40 | cydork | qailer: did you notice No such file or directory error ? |
| 15:38.04 | qailer | cydork: yeah, but I've got it installed =/ |
| 15:38.28 | cydork | qailer: it's not in include paths for sure. |
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| 15:39.23 | qailer | cydork: realized I didn't have all the right packages |
| 15:39.32 | qailer | cydork: thx anyway :) |
| 15:39.41 | godzirra | anyone? |
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| 15:41.14 | cydork | godzirra: what settings? |
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| 15:41.39 | godzirra | cydork: Debian knows what my ethernet card is, and how to handle my sata drives, etc etc. |
| 15:41.54 | godzirra | instead of manually setting all of that in my new kernel config when I run it, is there a way to automatically do that based on my current settings? |
| 15:42.07 | petemc | godzirra: make oldconfig |
| 15:42.12 | cydork | godzirra: debian doesn't know that, your kernel does. :P |
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| 15:42.42 | wols | godzirra: copy /boot/config-<old version> to .config in the kernel source tree |
| 15:42.42 | cydork | godzirra: check make-kpkg if you are going to compile kernel |
| 15:42.45 | wols | then run make oldconfig |
| 15:42.57 | cydork | wols: oldconfig copies that i think. |
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| 15:43.04 | wols | cydork: no |
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| 15:43.14 | wols | make oldconfig is a linux vanilla kernel function |
| 15:43.23 | wols | very old |
| 15:44.12 | godzirra | so why do I need to run make oldconfig if I'm copying the config to .config ? |
| 15:44.21 | godzirra | (as opposed to make menuconfig or something else) |
| 15:44.55 | cydork | wols: oh yes i forgot that .. |
| 15:46.28 | Bhavesh | hi |
| 15:46.36 | Bhavesh | did channel stopped? or i got disconnected? |
| 15:46.45 | godzirra | it stopped. |
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| 15:47.10 | Bhavesh | oh ok i got confused for a sec |
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| 15:49.50 | CRK-FOX | I cant use tasksel |
| 15:50.02 | Ronin | CRK-FOX: then dont, |
| 15:50.06 | cydork | CRK-FOX: why not? |
| 15:50.13 | Ronin | that too |
| 15:50.15 | CRK-FOX | where I can get some sources por apt |
| 15:50.21 | Ronin | CRK-FOX: sarge? |
| 15:50.26 | CRK-FOX | yes sarge |
| 15:50.27 | godzirra | So why do I need to run 'make oldconfig' instead of make menuconfig? Isnt /boot/config-whatever the config I need and then I can use make menuconfig? |
| 15:50.32 | Ronin | then try apt-setup as root |
| 15:50.46 | CRK-FOX | I did |
| 15:50.47 | CRK-FOX | that |
| 15:51.03 | Ronin | and? |
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| 15:51.04 | CRK-FOX | I choose the mirrors etc |
| 15:51.11 | cydork | CRK-FOX: and? |
| 15:51.22 | CRK-FOX | download some things... |
| 15:51.33 | CRK-FOX | and I try again an the same error |
| 15:51.38 | Ronin | CRK-FOX: type more hit enter less :) |
| 15:51.46 | xav | godzirra, I believe the config in /boot/ is already used, so you don't need to run make oldconfig |
| 15:51.48 | Ronin | CRK-FOX: tehn dont use taskel, try apt-get install for example |
| 15:52.01 | CRK-FOX | gnome depend of xxxxxxxxxxxxxx but can't install |
| 15:52.34 | stew | CRK-FOX: show us the actual command you are typing and the actual errors you are getting, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 15:54.02 | CRK-FOX | command: tasksel |
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| 15:54.18 | CRK-FOX | I choose DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT |
| 15:54.20 | azeem | CRK-FOX: did you check whether you run testing or unstable? |
| 15:54.26 | stew | he runs stable |
| 15:54.35 | Ronin | azeem: they said sarge but that doesnt mean much |
| 15:54.36 | stew | well he did, i shouldn't speak for him |
| 15:54.36 | azeem | ehe |
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| 15:54.49 | CRK-FOX | stew :) |
| 15:54.57 | azeem | CRK-FOX: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:55.26 | stew | CRK-FOX: but don't paste here: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:55.36 | CRK-FOX | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
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| 15:56.35 | stew | CRK-FOX: what is the package it is complaining about? |
| 15:56.42 | stew | we need to see the actual error |
| 15:56.53 | CRK-FOX | DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT |
| 15:56.58 | azeem | CRK-FOX: the output |
| 15:57.43 | azeem | not what you select |
| 15:57.43 | CRK-FOX | sorry |
| 15:57.43 | Braindead | forget about tasksel anyway,just aptitude install gnome or kde |
| 15:57.43 | Ronin | Braindead: deja vu |
| 15:57.43 | CRK-FOX | I can see |
| 15:57.57 | werdna_ | Bill H.R. 6166 = Bill H.R. (6X1)66 = Bill H.R. 666 |
| 15:58.08 | azeem | werdna_: ? |
| 15:58.14 | CRK-FOX | mozilla-browser: depende: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) pero no es instalable. |
| 15:58.28 | CRK-FOX | a lot of this kind of errors |
| 15:58.32 | Braindead | CRK-FOX: long story short: fuck tasksel |
| 15:58.37 | Ronin | CRK-FOX: what is your primary language? there may be a debian specific channel for it |
| 15:58.47 | CRK-FOX | spanish :P |
| 15:58.48 | azeem | Braindead: dude, cut it |
| 15:59.12 | Braindead | azeem: that's the simplest answer. and the only one that makes sense. who really still uses tasksel? |
| 15:59.15 | stew | !info libfontconfig1 stable |
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| 15:59.24 | dpkg | libfontconfig1: (generic font configuration library (shared library)), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.3.1-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 109 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 15:59.35 | stew | Braindead: do you think that not using tasksel is going to make libfontconfig1 installable for him? |
| 15:59.39 | Braindead | what's the point in having it install shit like plain mozilla? |
| 15:59.41 | azeem | stew: that's a proper stable Depends: for moz-browser |
| 15:59.42 | werdna_ | azeem, http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.6166: |
| 15:59.45 | azeem | CRK-FOX: try to apt-get update && apt-get install mozilla-browser |
| 15:59.46 | stew | azeem: yeah |
| 15:59.58 | azeem | Braindead: dude, shut up |
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| 16:00.29 | Ronin | werdna_: sstill what about it |
| 16:00.41 | stew | Braindead: the point is that he doesn't know what packages he needs to install to get a desktop environment. he just knows he wants a desktop environment, this is exactly why tasksel exists |
| 16:00.43 | Braindead | azeem: there's anyway something fishy about his apt sources. it can't be that borked |
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| 16:00.55 | azeem | werdna_: stop spamming this channel with off-topic stuff, please |
| 16:01.01 | azeem | Braindead: bingo |
| 16:01.01 | grandy | hello... just installed sarge and i'm trying to compile something and in the configure stage it says: Missing OpenSSL (-lcrypto) - aborted ... I can't figure out what package(s) I need to install to add the required library... anyone have any ideas? This is a basic sarge install. |
| 16:01.05 | stew | Braindead: yes, and not using tasksel is not going to in any way solve the problem with his sources |
| 16:01.13 | azeem | just saying "fuck tasksel" won't fix it |
| 16:01.14 | werdna_ | Ronin, 4th Amendment rights are taken away from US citizens once Bush signs bill |
| 16:01.18 | Ronin | grandy: why compile? have you tried apt-get install |
| 16:01.21 | Braindead | stew: tasksel installs gnome + loadsa shit. he might even start installing gnome and then going on from that |
| 16:01.21 | azeem | werdna_: thanks |
| 16:01.25 | Bhavesh | grandy: try libssl-dev or something similar |
| 16:01.47 | grandy | Ronin: I need a newer version that is not available in binary, backports version is old too |
| 16:01.49 | Braindead | azeem: I'm trying to narrow the focus. narrowing the focus with 200-something packages installed at once it's rather difficult. |
| 16:02.00 | Ronin | grandy: ahh bleeding edge man ;) |
| 16:02.01 | abrotman | Braindead: so what .. it's good for some people .. if you want to fix tasksel .. fix it .. stop whining |
| 16:02.09 | secher_ | werdna_: link? |
| 16:02.09 | qailer | azeem: still got problmes with right headers, >> source.c:9:32: error: libtorrent/entry.hpp: No such file or directory etc.. (any ideas?) |
| 16:02.17 | azeem | qailer: no |
| 16:02.18 | stew | Braindead: the focus doesn't need to be narrowed any more than libfontconfig1 |
| 16:02.24 | azeem | secher_: get this to a /query |
| 16:02.30 | qailer | azeem: ok, thx anyway |
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| 16:02.35 | secher_ | werdna_: which bill? |
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| 16:02.38 | werdna_ | secher_, scroll up |
| 16:02.40 | azeem | qailer: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:02.41 | slaq | aaaaaaaah.. what exactly does mkswap do? i just executed mkswap /dev/sda by accident and it happily "set up swapspace" despite sda being part of a raidset (md0).. did i just wreck my data? |
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| 16:02.57 | grandy | Bhavesh: when I try that it says that packages may be broken... shall I paste in the error? |
| 16:03.07 | wols | !paster |
| 16:03.07 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 16:03.11 | KristianLy | slaq: eh, you just made /dev/sda into a swap "filesystem" |
| 16:03.20 | fresch | i recently installed debian etch and noticed the quality of truetype font rendering degraded, especially in mozilla/gecko apps. how can i fix that? |
| 16:03.25 | wols | slaq: probably. at least part of it |
| 16:03.34 | KristianLy | fault sda and recover the raid... |
| 16:03.41 | Bhavesh | grandy: let's do that |
| 16:03.45 | wols | mkswap is a swap format utility. just like you format a ext3 disk |
| 16:03.57 | Bhavesh | grandy: i will try to help the best i can, otherwise i am sure someone else can jump in and help |
| 16:04.16 | wols | !msttfcorefonts |
| 16:04.25 | slaq | wols, where exactly does it write to, only early sectors or does it wreck something? |
| 16:04.37 | wols | !msttcorefonts |
| 16:04.37 | dpkg | [msttcorefonts] package to install MSFT core TrueType fonts. http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ for font *.EXEs, unpack with cabextract. Install the 'x-ttcidfont-conf' package, and add this FontPath line to your XF86Config-4 file in the "Files" section: 'FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"'. then 'xset fp rehash' |
| 16:04.42 | slaq | KristianLy, bad thing is, i executed mkswap on both disks of the raid array :P |
| 16:04.56 | KristianLy | ok, then you're fucked... basicly |
| 16:05.01 | grandy | Bhavesh: ok here is the paste of the error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3922 |
| 16:05.04 | slaq | argh |
| 16:05.05 | wols | slaq: as soon as it writes, it wrecks. no matter what |
| 16:05.17 | slaq | arf |
| 16:05.27 | wols | what it exactly writes is a bit governed by chance |
| 16:05.37 | wols | slaq: run a liveCD, start a fsck no |
| 16:05.40 | wols | *now |
| 16:05.51 | wols | or at least remount all read only and do it |
| 16:05.52 | slaq | where exactly does mkswap write to, i thought it probably only sets a bit in the partition table |
| 16:06.13 | SlayerXP | slaq: just restore from your backup. |
| 16:06.21 | Bhavesh | grandy: try installing libssl0.9.7 libssl-dev |
| 16:06.23 | wols | grandy: that is not all you did. you missed what you tried to install |
| 16:06.25 | fresch | and i mean any font that looked ok previously (vera, dejavu) now looks really blurry and washed out. i tried fiddling with the hinting settings and the subpixel antialiasing (yes, i have a tft) but it didn't help |
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| 16:06.50 | grandy | wois: apt-get install libssl-dev |
| 16:07.11 | grandy | Bhavesh: not sure how I'd do that... do I specify the version number? |
| 16:07.21 | DaBlade | Does anyone know of a way to make a command run every thirty seconds? |
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| 16:07.45 | SlayerXP | slaq: why not restore from your backup? |
| 16:07.55 | Bhavesh | grandy: which version of debian are you running? stable? testing (etch) or unstable (sid)? |
| 16:07.59 | fresch | DaBlade, while true; do sleep 30s; <cmd>; done; |
| 16:08.00 | Braindead | DaBlade: while true;do foo && sleep 30;done |
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| 16:08.03 | grandy | Bhavesh: stable |
| 16:08.04 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, hi martin |
| 16:08.10 | SlayerXP | vorsprung: hey jamie :) |
| 16:08.21 | Braindead | DaBlade: && or ; it's up to you |
| 16:08.25 | stew | DaBlade: while true ; command& ; sleep 30 ; done |
| 16:08.43 | DaBlade | fresch: Thanks. And does that work after a reboot or do I need to attach it to an initscript? |
| 16:08.50 | DaBlade | stew: Ok |
| 16:08.55 | Braindead | DaBlade: tell us your problem,not your solution |
| 16:08.55 | slaq | SlayerXP, you are not helpful |
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| 16:08.59 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, can't stay n talk I need to make the tea. But quickly- back in London again? |
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| 16:09.03 | Bhavesh | grandy: do aptitude search libssl find the package that is similar to libssl0.9.X take that no and type aptitude install libssl0.9.X libssl-dev |
| 16:09.08 | SlayerXP | vorsprung: yes. |
| 16:09.09 | Blackhold | hello, anyone knows about openwebspider? |
| 16:09.16 | DaBlade | Braindead: My system keeps resetting my PCM volume in ALSA. |
| 16:09.24 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, cool, I'll catch up with you soon |
| 16:09.27 | pipeline | DaBlade: alsactl save |
| 16:09.29 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, ttfn |
| 16:09.29 | SlayerXP | slaq: what? you mean you don't have backups? |
| 16:09.31 | grandy | Bhavesh: ahh will try that, thanks! |
| 16:09.32 | SlayerXP | vorsprung: later |
| 16:09.37 | DaBlade | pipeline: Yeah, but it still changes |
| 16:09.43 | stew | DaBlade: figure out what is doing it and stop that, don't start a war with it |
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| 16:09.47 | Bhavesh | grandy: please let me know how it went |
| 16:09.48 | DaBlade | pipeline: So my solution was to run alsactl restore every half minute |
| 16:09.54 | pipeline | DaBlade: whoa, pretty screwy |
| 16:09.55 | slaq | SlayerXP, no, i mean that i want to know what happened before going the hard route |
| 16:09.58 | stew | DaBlade: doesn't sound like a real solution |
| 16:09.59 | DaBlade | stew: I've tried. Not even #alsa could help. |
| 16:10.06 | Braindead | yeah,ghetto-style solution |
| 16:10.13 | Braindead | add some duct tape and it's perfect |
| 16:10.16 | DaBlade | But it probably would have worked. |
| 16:10.20 | DaBlade | More or less. |
| 16:10.35 | wols | slaq: what happened is easy: PEBKAC |
| 16:10.43 | stew | DaBlade: use lsof or fuser to see what has /dev/snd/controlCO open? |
| 16:10.47 | stew | DaBlade: or /dev/mixer? |
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| 16:11.25 | stew | DaBlade: (or maybe /dev/snd/pcm* or /dev/dsp) |
| 16:12.21 | DaBlade | root@RazorBlade[/home/dablade]# ls /dev/snd/ | grep pcm |
| 16:12.21 | DaBlade | pcmC0D0c |
| 16:12.24 | CRK-FOX | I solve a lot of errors editing the sources.list.... but I have only 1 now... gnome: Depend: gnome-office (=64) but is not installable. |
| 16:12.32 | DaBlade | there are a lot of them. |
| 16:12.37 | grandy | Bhavesh: when I do the aptitude search I get libssl08-dev, libss09-dev, etc... |
| 16:12.57 | DaBlade | pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1c pcmC0D2c pcmC0D2p pcmC0D3p |
| 16:12.58 | grandy | Bhavesh: but I don't quite understand how to map that info to what you suggested I type next... |
| 16:13.06 | DaBlade | Not really sure what I'm supposed to do. |
| 16:13.42 | DaBlade | root@RazorBlade[/home/dablade]# ls /dev/snd/ |
| 16:13.42 | DaBlade | controlC0 hwC0D0 midiC0D0 midiC0D2 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D1c pcmC0D2p seq |
| 16:13.43 | DaBlade | controlC1 hwC0D2 midiC0D1 midiC1D0 pcmC0D0p pcmC0D2c pcmC0D3p timer |
| 16:13.57 | azeem | CRK-FOX: run apt-get install gnome-office and paste the error |
| 16:14.01 | azeem | DaBlade: stop that |
| 16:14.03 | stew | DaBlade: "lsof | grep snd" "lsof | grep dsp", see if you can figure out what audio program might be running that is trying to set your volume |
| 16:14.05 | DaBlade | azeem: I did |
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| 16:14.11 | azeem | good :) |
| 16:14.25 | stew | DaBlade: or maybe: for a in /dev/snd/* ; do fuser $a ; done |
| 16:14.36 | Bhavesh | grandy: type aptitude update |
| 16:14.51 | DaBlade | stew: /dev/snd/controlC0: 4269 4277 |
| 16:14.52 | grandy | Bhavesh: ok |
| 16:15.01 | DaBlade | stew: the lsof one didn't give anything |
| 16:15.13 | Bhavesh | grandy: grandy and then type aptitude install libssl0.9.X ( where X is a number) libssl-dev |
| 16:15.26 | stew | DaBlade: "ps 4269 4277" will tell you what those are |
| 16:15.35 | DaBlade | stew: k |
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| 16:15.53 | DaBlade | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.53 | DaBlade | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.01 | DaBlade | amarok and kmix |
| 16:16.18 | stew | DaBlade: are you using those? |
| 16:16.24 | slaq | wols, if you had a clue you'd try to be helpful instead of spilling childish crap. btw my data is fine |
| 16:16.32 | DaBlade | stew: Not immediately. |
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| 16:16.37 | DaBlade | I mean, not right now |
| 16:16.40 | grandy | Bhavesh: it says no packages will be installed, updated, or removed |
| 16:16.44 | DaBlade | kmix is minimized to tray |
| 16:16.45 | stew | DaBlade: if you kill one or both of those, i'm guessint that your volume will stop changing. i'd start with amarok |
| 16:16.49 | DaBlade | so is amarok, but not playing anything |
| 16:17.02 | Bhavesh | grandy: paste what you get when you do apttitude search libssl |
| 16:17.06 | stew | *guessing |
| 16:18.18 | grandy | Bhavesh: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3923 |
| 16:18.25 | DaBlade | It appears to be kmix. |
| 16:18.37 | DaBlade | The level hasn't changed, and amarok is playing. |
| 16:19.05 | Bhavesh | grandy: type aptitude install libssl0.9.7 libssl-dev |
| 16:19.13 | Bhavesh | grandy: and let me know what happens |
| 16:19.57 | DaBlade | I guess that solves it. Thanks stew, Braindead |
| 16:20.29 | cydork | grandy: i means the package is already installed. |
| 16:20.47 | grandy | Bhavesh: it gives me the following error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3924 |
| 16:21.45 | grandy | cydork: the wrong version for the dev library seems to be already installed |
| 16:22.38 | wols | grandy apt-cache policy for both packages lib and -dev |
| 16:22.49 | wols | check what you can get |
| 16:23.07 | wols | grandy: uninstal dev package them |
| 16:23.11 | wols | then |
| 16:23.40 | grandy | wols: for policy on dev it says it's not currently installed but has a 500 near the source list item |
| 16:24.06 | wols | near? |
| 16:24.09 | Bhavesh | wols: thank you for picking up that conversation |
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| 16:24.22 | grandy | wols: for the url |
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| 16:24.36 | wols | i'm just waiting for the idiot telcom desk to take my call |
| 16:24.40 | grandy | it says 500 then the url for where to download it |
| 16:24.54 | wols | yes. more than one? |
| 16:25.01 | grandy | wols only one url in there |
| 16:25.03 | wols | lookfor the lib itself too |
| 16:25.12 | wols | libssl had bugs before |
| 16:26.17 | grandy | wols: looking up libssl shows no version info |
| 16:26.22 | grandy | wols: and it's not installed |
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| 16:27.02 | xai | what version of java-virtual-machine is recommended (if any)? |
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| 16:28.29 | xav | xai, gij |
| 16:28.31 | wols | grandy: do you have ssh running? |
| 16:28.44 | wols | then you have libssl |
| 16:28.51 | grandy | wols: yes |
| 16:29.06 | wols | so look harder |
| 16:29.08 | grandy | wols: but the reason this all got started is that i'm trying to compile something that says it can't find lcrypt |
| 16:29.32 | stew | xav: what java application are you going to run? |
| 16:29.54 | xav | these names are confusing |
| 16:29.58 | k31th | is there a decent web based app that allows users to login and change passwds etc ? |
| 16:30.06 | stew | oh |
| 16:30.12 | k31th | i guess sort of like... plesk |
| 16:30.14 | stew | xai: what java application are you going to run |
| 16:30.18 | stew | blabla: sorry :) |
| 16:30.26 | blabla | np |
| 16:30.28 | CRK-FOX | how I can downgrade a package??? or install an specific version? |
| 16:30.38 | stew | CRK-FOX: apt-get install pacakge=version |
| 16:30.47 | CRK-FOX | good |
| 16:30.53 | grandy | wols: i'm fairly confused... hmm |
| 16:30.54 | stew | CRK-FOX: (thoough downgrades aren't guaranteed to work, /msg dpkg downgrade) |
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| 16:31.58 | wols | grandy: use the line stew just showed to install a special version of libssl |
| 16:32.06 | wols | the one your dev needs |
| 16:32.40 | grandy | wols: hmmm it seems like it wants the libssl-dev package, but will installing a specific version work? we'll soon find out |
| 16:32.42 | fresch | oh great... how and why can anybody get patents for font rendering techniques!? |
| 16:32.46 | filip | hmm, where can I read channel log? |
| 16:32.57 | stew | grandy: wait, what version of libssl do you think you need? |
| 16:32.59 | Ronin | filip: on your computer if you've been logging :) |
| 16:33.14 | stew | grandy: you woldn't use the syntax i gave to get a particualar soversion of a library |
| 16:33.14 | wols | fresch: bribes |
| 16:33.31 | filip | Ronin: my server got down, and I didn't log some important stuff :/ |
| 16:33.35 | grandy | stew: i'm guessing any version will be ok, but one is already installed and has a ton of things that depend on it... when i try to install libssl-dev which i need for compiling something, it says that there is some kind of version problem |
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| 16:33.49 | blabla | fresch, why can anybody get patents? |
| 16:33.55 | poopybutt | what p2p clients do you people like? |
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| 16:34.25 | fresch | wols, yeah, money most likely is an issue :-/ |
| 16:34.33 | stew | filip: http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian/ |
| 16:34.44 | poopybutt | for music |
| 16:34.49 | grandy | stew: it says libssl-dev: Depends: libssl0.9.7 (= 0.9.7e-3sarge1) but 0.9.7e-3sarge4 is to be installed |
| 16:35.00 | fresch | blabla, font rendering patents, not any patents |
| 16:35.28 | wols | fresch: all software patents are ridiculous. all of them |
| 16:35.55 | stew | grandy: what does "apt-cache policy libssl-dev" say for "Candidate:"? |
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| 16:36.26 | grandy | stew: 0.9.7e-3sarge1 |
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| 16:36.36 | fresch | wols, i aggree, wholeheartedly |
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| 16:36.54 | MikeConigliaro | guys, isnt there an apt install log somewhere? |
| 16:37.00 | MikeConigliaro | i cant seem to find it |
| 16:37.14 | stew | grandy: can you put the entire output into a pastebin? have you run apt-get update recently? |
| 16:37.17 | blabla | there is a dpkg one |
| 16:37.24 | wols | MikeConigliaro: /var/log/ dpkg.logs |
| 16:37.28 | stew | MikeConigliaro: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:37.41 | MikeConigliaro | 3.1 |
| 16:37.46 | stew | MikeConigliaro: then no, there is no log |
| 16:37.48 | MikeConigliaro | i dont have the dpkg logs.. |
| 16:37.52 | xai | stew: i want to run the Amazon Elastic Cloud cli tools.. |
| 16:38.05 | blabla | oh, I didn't know that |
| 16:38.12 | wols | xai: I'd suggest sun java then |
| 16:38.14 | wols | !java |
| 16:38.14 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
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| 16:38.31 | filip | stew: thanks, but can I get to logs from today? |
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| 16:38.45 | stew | filip: i don't know of any |
| 16:38.54 | filip | stew: I was talking with somebody here about 4 hours ago, and I can't remember the inc :/ |
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| 16:39.01 | xai | wols: ok thanks.. Looks like they require java 5 jre... |
| 16:39.03 | wols | filip: inc? |
| 16:39.04 | grandy | stew: i have recently run apt-get update... the output is: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3928 |
| 16:39.05 | filip | stew: s/inc/nick/ |
| 16:39.08 | xai | which doesn't seem to be among the free one.. |
| 16:39.23 | wols | stojic? |
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| 16:39.29 | Giganotosaurus | filip: woud it be stojic? |
| 16:39.33 | Giganotosaurus | what wols said. |
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| 16:39.46 | chell | hello everyone |
| 16:40.21 | filip | Giganotosaurus: thaanks :) |
| 16:40.29 | blabla | xai, right, I believe the free ones only support java 1.4 . But it seems some java 5 features are supported |
| 16:40.43 | filip | arrr, he's offline :/ |
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| 16:40.57 | fresch | so what exactly is that bytecode in freetype? |
| 16:41.04 | xai | blabla: version death spiral.. always fun.. |
| 16:41.14 | stew | grandy: you need to add a security source: /msg dpkg security |
| 16:41.17 | filip | wols: can you please msg me the thing I am supposed to write to asound.conf? |
| 16:41.26 | wishkah | i cannot get direct rendering working for xorg 7 on debian (2.6.16-2) and geforce4mx, I assume the problem is glxinfo: client glx vendor string: SGI |
| 16:41.33 | wishkah | what can I do to get the NVIDIA client glx? |
| 16:41.38 | CRK-FOX | what can I do if apt-get show me some incomplete dependencies... but errors from high versions... |
| 16:41.41 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:41.41 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 16:41.52 | wols | 14:49 < stojic> filip: you should take a look at /proc/asound/cards and see which cards are listed and then edit your /etc/asound.conf to set default card to your SB Live. This line up there tries aplay with card set to card0 (which should be the first detected card). See http://alsa.opensrc.org/faq/ for more info |
| 16:41.53 | grandy | stew: hmm |
| 16:42.15 | xai | blabla: what versios of java-virtual-machine would support the java 5 features? |
| 16:42.24 | wols | wishkah: are you running etch? cause there is no nvidia driver in etch |
| 16:42.26 | filip | wols: big thanks :) |
| 16:42.26 | stew | grandy: you have some packages already installed from security.debian.org which are conflicting with the non-security patched versions you are trying to install now |
| 16:42.30 | CRK-FOX | the packages want previous versions... |
| 16:42.33 | wols | xai: the one from Sun. none else |
| 16:42.37 | wishkah | !etch nvidia |
| 16:42.37 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 16:42.50 | grandy | stew: ok... i think when i did netselect-apt it messed up my sources list and i didn't save the original... |
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| 16:43.54 | blabla | fresch, you could look on the web, like there : http://freetype.sourceforge.net/patents.html |
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| 16:43.59 | stew | wols: not none, there is also IBM |
| 16:44.06 | stew | grandy: run apt-setup |
| 16:44.09 | grandy | stew: thanks much for looking into this and helping me! thakns also to Bhavesh and wols |
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| 16:44.23 | xai | wols: thanks. |
| 16:44.40 | Bhavesh | grandy: glad wols was able to help, sorry i didn't help as much |
| 16:45.17 | wols | Bhavesh: stew did, not me |
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| 16:45.57 | grandy | thanks to everyone involved... :) |
| 16:46.18 | Bhavesh | grandy: you are welcome from everyone :) |
| 16:46.31 | Bhavesh | stew: thanks for helping grandy i could not help him much |
| 16:46.35 | wishkah | wols: yeah, etch... |
| 16:46.55 | wishkah | wols: so I'll have to use the nvidia instller, eh? |
| 16:47.08 | wishkah | wols: the problem is i had dri working then I installed some mesa-library-crap and now it's broken |
| 16:47.09 | wols | wishkah: have you actually read the factoid you requested? |
| 16:47.33 | wols | and you never want to use mesa for 3D if you don't really have to |
| 16:47.54 | Skiver | hello, after installing apache2.2-common, there's no way to install PHP 5 ? |
| 16:48.02 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:48.02 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 16:49.21 | wishkah | wols: problem is I cannot apt-get remove the mesa stuff I installed without apt wanting to remove all sorts of other packages I need |
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| 16:51.34 | abrotman | Skiver: what are the depends for libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 16:53.04 | Skiver | abrotman : i think i've figured it out, by default when i installed apache2, it selected apache2-mpm-worker together. |
| 16:53.29 | abrotman | ah .. yes .. that'll do it |
| 16:54.41 | filip | can I do anything to have pgup working in bash? I mean, searching matches in history |
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| 16:54.55 | Skiver | by the way what does "updatedb" do ? do I have to run it everytime after I upgraded the packages? |
| 16:54.58 | filip | should I edit inputrc or something? |
| 16:55.25 | Sjoerd- | are there any advantages from debian over ubuntu or the other way around (for a webserver system?) |
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| 16:57.15 | abrotman | Skiver: no .. but it updates the 'locate' database .. you don't have to .. but maybe every other day or so .. depends how many new files you anticipate |
| 16:57.17 | wishkah | Skiver: updatedb updates the locate database to quickly find files |
| 16:57.48 | Skiver | abrotman, wishkah thanks. |
| 16:58.18 | abrotman | Skiver: and if you don't use 'locate' .. then you don't really have to run it at all :) |
| 16:58.26 | poopybutt | anybody have experience with limewire? |
| 16:58.27 | abrotman | Skiver: and 'locate' will tell you if the db is old |
| 16:58.34 | abrotman | poopybutt: gtk-gnutella |
| 16:58.40 | wols | Sjoerd-: personally I'd use debian for that. ubuntu is a "make it easy for new users". that's not a server description |
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| 16:58.44 | stew | if you don't run localte, you likely want to learn about it :) |
| 16:58.50 | xai | make-jpkg is really cool for making the jre package.. |
| 16:58.54 | poopybutt | abrotman: i tried gkt-gnu and it wont connect for some reason |
| 16:59.09 | Skiver | sweet, when i choose to install libapache2-mod-php5, it tells me to remove apache2, apache2.2-common, and apache2-mpm-prefork ???? |
| 17:00.51 | abrotman | poopybutt: uhm .. it darn well should .. you might need a hints file .. read the docs |
| 17:00.52 | xai | Skiver: it updates the "locate" database.. No, don't run it.. let it run via cron |
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| 17:01.25 | xai | Sjoerd-: Debian would be much lighter.. no GUI.. |
| 17:01.41 | wols | xai: there is a ubuntu "server" install now... |
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| 17:02.08 | xai | wols: ok.. then prolly very little diff.. updates? |
| 17:02.35 | wols | there are diff I'd say |
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| 17:02.49 | wols | what about updates? |
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| 17:03.33 | helo | what's a good alternative to vmware? |
| 17:03.45 | azeem | helo: qemu |
| 17:04.10 | wols | Xen perhaps if adventurous and depending on needs and haves |
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| 17:04.20 | KSergio | hello, Im having problems to update my packages. apache2 is blockingthe update with: apache2: Syntax error on line 116 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/actions.load: API module structure `actions_module' in file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_actions.so is garbled - perhaps this is not an Apache module DSO? |
| 17:04.29 | KSergio | any hint? |
| 17:04.29 | wols | sounds fun to have |
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| 17:07.31 | abrotman | !moo |
| 17:07.31 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 17:08.53 | Skiver | what can I do to examine/test my package dependencies ?? |
| 17:09.53 | azeem | Skiver: look into piuparts |
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| 17:10.35 | stew | i need to look into that too |
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| 17:11.03 | stew | i need to get a new version of ivman out, laste time i went to do it i somehow did an "rm -r *" on my sourcetree and gave up for the night |
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| 17:11.22 | FernandoMM | Hello, i'm trying to kill a process with kill pid. But this process isn't killed, is there a way to force it? |
| 17:11.31 | stew | FernandoMM: kill -9 ? |
| 17:12.25 | pumpkin0 | FernandoMM: And try as root. |
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| 17:12.41 | FernandoMM | stew: thanks, worked :) |
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| 17:13.08 | funman | hi |
| 17:13.11 | stew | FernandoMM: don't get into the habit of using -9 until you have tried without. its a rather rude way of killing things |
| 17:13.38 | Fluten | are there any packages that can graph a y=mx+b equation and also display a table for the values? |
| 17:13.49 | Ronin | its sort of like killing a fly with a hammer FernandoMM, it works but is tough on the furniture |
| 17:14.07 | pumpkin0 | Fluten: gnuplot ? |
| 17:14.11 | FernandoMM | ok :P |
| 17:14.35 | funman | i can't find a way for dpkg-buildpackages to install missing build dependancies in the manual |
| 17:14.36 | Fluten | pumpkin0, does it have a gui too? |
| 17:14.47 | stew | funman: apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 17:15.34 | funman | thanks stew i was sure it was as simple :) |
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| 17:16.50 | pumpkin0 | Fluten: gnuplot is more or less console only. But it´s easy to use. |
| 17:18.24 | mateuszk | Fluten, try plotdrop |
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| 17:18.54 | mateuszk | Fluten, minimal gnome frontend for gnuplot |
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| 17:21.21 | Fluten | pumpkin0, it definitely looks easier to use than scilab |
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| 17:25.03 | xai | wols: btw do you have experience with amazon cloud? |
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| 17:25.19 | PF | does aptitude use any of the apt-x functionality? |
| 17:25.23 | wols | xai: no |
| 17:25.38 | PF | ok, thanks |
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| 17:25.43 | azeem | PF: what is apt-x? |
| 17:25.52 | azeem | PF: wols was talking to xai, not you |
| 17:25.56 | PF | e.g., apt-get tools |
| 17:26.05 | azeem | PF: no, it uses libapt |
| 17:26.24 | [Gabe] | Hey guys, if I setup a software raid on debian to do raid 1, what happens if i lose the drive with the MBR? |
| 17:26.24 | valdyn | PF: whats 'apt-get tools' ? |
| 17:26.33 | PF | aptitude seems non-intitutive |
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| 17:26.46 | azeem | PF: so use synaptic or apt-x |
| 17:26.52 | valdyn | PF: aptitude accepts nearly the same syntax as apt-get |
| 17:26.59 | PF | got'cha |
| 17:27.05 | Braindead | PF: aptitude-doc-en is your friend anyway. |
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| 17:27.45 | PF | I'm perusing Debian's FAQ's about aptitude right now...thank's all |
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| 17:28.14 | xai | wols: ok just checking. I'll check back with anyone later once I get it going. |
| 17:30.10 | PF | Direct qoute: Note that aptitude is the recommended program by Debian to install a package and/or to upgrade your system. |
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| 17:31.30 | Braindead | true. |
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| 17:36.02 | abrotman | PF: it handles many things quite a bit better |
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| 17:36.13 | poopybutt | what is the differnce between sux and su when trying to do something as root in console? |
| 17:36.32 | wols | poopybutt: su can't run X apps as root |
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| 17:36.52 | abrotman | !sux |
| 17:36.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 17:36.54 | Braindead | poopybutt: $DISPLAY variable and xauth |
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| 17:37.29 | dotCOMmie | is there some standard config file in which one can set kbrate? |
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| 17:37.51 | WerdnaServer | XD |
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| 17:38.44 | WerdnaServer | man, WTF |
| 17:38.49 | WerdnaServer | will this guy like, LEARN? |
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| 17:38.54 | WerdnaServer | will this guy like, LEARN? |
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| 17:39.50 | AzaTht | How do i install Windows XP? |
| 17:39.50 | dotCOMmie | kbdrate* |
| 17:40.01 | wols | AzaTht: #windows |
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| 17:40.07 | dotCOMmie | AzaTht: put cd in paper shredder |
| 17:40.08 | AzaTht | :) |
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| 17:40.26 | wols | cydork: clearly says "#xp" |
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| 17:40.33 | wols | topic informs about Vista RC1 |
| 17:40.34 | Braindead | dotCOMmie: under console it's /etc/console-tools/config you wanna look after |
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| 17:40.56 | cydork | wols: heh and i work in MicroShit :P |
| 17:41.20 | WerdnaServer | gawd... how stupid can you be? |
| 17:41.21 | dungodung | WerdnaServer: lol |
| 17:41.22 | pickcoder | I wonder how much of the new Windows will not be based on NT... |
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| 17:41.29 | WerdnaServer | yay! |
| 17:41.32 | dotCOMmie | Braindead: many thanks! |
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| 17:41.34 | wols | WerdnaServer: change you nick faster next time he gets kicked |
| 17:41.44 | wols | and he will never learn since it's a stupid script |
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| 17:41.50 | WerdnaServer | wols, wha? |
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| 17:41.56 | WerdnaServer | hmm... |
| 17:41.58 | WerdnaServer | perhaps |
| 17:42.29 | craigevil | is there a script to shows the webpage your viewing for Konversation? |
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| 17:42.57 | Werdna___ | oh for GODSAKE |
| 17:43.05 | Braindead | Werdna___: you have to be a little faster... |
| 17:43.12 | Ragnaroek | yo |
| 17:43.13 | WerdnaServer | Braindead, what do you mean? |
| 17:43.21 | Ragnaroek | investigating |
| 17:43.31 | Braindead | ghost him AND grab the nick |
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| 17:43.47 | WerdnaServer | dude, it's some kid who every now and then takes my nick |
| 17:43.53 | AzaTht | WerdnaServer: link your name? |
| 17:44.00 | WerdnaServer | they're already linked |
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| 17:44.04 | wols | WerdnaServer: yes but WHY ARE YOU NOT SWITCHING TO THAT NICK? |
| 17:44.08 | AzaTht | -NickServ- LINK Link your nickname to another |
| 17:44.13 | WerdnaServer | wols, I don't need to. |
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| 17:44.17 | Braindead | dude like ghost him and then /nick very fast and stuff,dude |
| 17:44.24 | wols | WerdnaServer: then stop spamming this channel if you please |
| 17:44.27 | WerdnaServer | I use WerdnaServer on this client |
| 17:44.36 | wols | and you obviously NEED to |
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| 17:44.50 | WerdnaServer | hmm |
| 17:44.53 | Braindead | and you obviusly need to use root on that client? |
| 17:45.08 | PF | spank that dudes monkey |
| 17:45.12 | WerdnaServer | yes, I do. can't get irssi working on it. |
| 17:45.16 | PF | he's a pest |
| 17:45.26 | PF | muhahahah |
| 17:45.27 | PF | :) |
| 17:45.29 | wols | Braindead: gotta be l337 |
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| 17:45.38 | Braindead | r0xx0rz yer b0xx0rz |
| 17:45.41 | wols | WerdnaServer: you can't get irssi working on a normal user? |
| 17:45.56 | WerdnaServer | wols, correct. |
| 17:46.08 | WerdnaServer | it used to work, but now it gives me an invalid address error or something |
| 17:46.10 | wols | wow. must be sunday |
| 17:46.15 | WerdnaServer | and I really cbf sorting it out |
| 17:46.38 | PF | That dude is a Terrorist |
| 17:46.43 | PF | get'em |
| 17:46.55 | WerdnaServer | eh? |
| 17:47.55 | PF | ok, I got the hang of "aptitude" |
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| 17:48.32 | PF | It took about 15 miniutes, but I managed to install something |
| 17:48.47 | Skiver | well done. |
| 17:48.51 | PF | danke |
| 17:49.00 | Braindead | yeah, aptitude install foo is kinda hard to figure out |
| 17:49.31 | PF | I was using the ncurses display |
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| 17:50.26 | Braindead | if you're used to apt-* no need to use it,it's just complementary. aptitude is fully usable from the command line |
| 17:50.42 | PF | Yes, command line is the quicker of the two |
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| 17:52.01 | Braindead | aptitude moo;aptitude -v moo;aptitude -vv moo;aptitude -vvv moo;aptitude -vvvv moo;aptitude -vvvvv moo;aptitude -vvvvvv moo |
| 17:52.24 | PF | I just wanted to try differnet methods. In the past I've used "apt-*" quite successfully |
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| 17:53.26 | jetx | hey it's dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda right? to write zero's to all of hda |
| 17:53.36 | WerdnaServer | yes. |
| 17:53.37 | jetx | esp the mbr |
| 17:53.39 | jetx | thx |
| 17:53.45 | Braindead | wait |
| 17:53.46 | PF | actually, the main reason I wanted to try aptitude is that I noticed it during the post configuring of the initial "net" installation of "Sarge" |
| 17:53.50 | jetx | toolate |
| 17:53.52 | Braindead | the mbr or the whole disk? |
| 17:53.56 | jetx | entire |
| 17:54.03 | Braindead | ok,go :) |
| 17:54.03 | jetx | but esp the mbr |
| 17:54.04 | WerdnaServer | jetx, using shred -n 1 -z will work, too |
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| 17:54.23 | WerdnaServer | erm, shred -n 1 -z /dev/hda |
| 17:55.06 | jetx | thank yall again |
| 17:55.21 | jetx | aptitude is the current default btw PF |
| 17:55.36 | PF | do you want to perform a low-level format of you HD? |
| 17:55.43 | jetx | yeah |
| 17:56.01 | PF | I've used Max-Blast from Maxtor in the past |
| 17:56.08 | wols | jetx: don't. run smartmontools |
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| 17:56.18 | wols | that's NO low level format |
| 17:56.28 | jetx | close enough |
| 17:56.32 | jetx | ? |
| 17:56.44 | wols | just to get rid of w98, simply delete the partition |
| 17:56.45 | wols | only close enough if you want to kill the drive. but your choice |
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| 17:56.51 | jetx | die drive die |
| 17:56.55 | jetx | 3 gig hd |
| 17:56.57 | PF | hahah |
| 17:56.58 | jetx | :o |
| 17:57.00 | vouid | Hi, I have got a A entry for www.domain.com, what is the way to use an A entry for only domain.com using BIND? |
| 17:57.11 | PF | Or "Death to HD" |
| 17:57.31 | PF | kinda like the Terrorists stating "Death to America" |
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| 17:57.46 | Werdna___ | mexcellent |
| 17:57.50 | jetx | i have no idea why it was partitioned into 2 though |
| 17:57.52 | wols | PF: you gotta lose your fixation. watch less fox. it's bad for you dude |
| 17:57.56 | jetx | 1 g just empty |
| 17:57.59 | PF | :) |
| 17:58.06 | Werdna___ | yay \5\ freenode connections to get rid of that guy |
| 17:58.14 | PF | I likes Fox news :) |
| 17:58.25 | wols | it shows in your grammar |
| 17:58.30 | Ronin | heh |
| 17:58.33 | jetx | grammah! |
| 17:58.43 | PF | I is White Trash |
| 17:58.47 | PF | y0 |
| 17:58.55 | wols | no need to mention. we can tell |
| 17:59.08 | tolecnal | I like Fox News too, it's like watching a badly directed Hollywood blockbuster with a bad plot, overpaid shitty actors and shit for brains :) |
| 17:59.08 | jetx | can't take too long... it's an amd64 box |
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| 17:59.21 | wols | on a 3G hdd? dream on |
| 17:59.24 | jetx | ooo i can hear the hd... yuck |
| 17:59.42 | jetx | yeah i took it out of a p2 box cuz it doesn't boot cd's |
| 18:00.04 | jetx | gonna throw an install on it and put it back |
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| 18:00.38 | wols | what's it gonna be? |
| 18:00.48 | WerdnaServer | gah! |
| 18:00.53 | Ronin | make up you mind already :) |
| 18:00.54 | WerdnaServer | knew I shouldn't have disconnected |
| 18:00.57 | jetx | demo box with piles of games |
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| 18:01.17 | jetx | apt-get install * kind of action |
| 18:01.25 | jetx | heh on 3G |
| 18:01.29 | wols | WerdnaServer: it's a script. it can keep up all day and night |
| 18:01.40 | WerdnaServer | pain in the ass |
| 18:01.42 | wols | either keep several werdnas simply connected or ask an op |
| 18:01.49 | wols | oper that is |
| 18:01.51 | Ronin | just well you know, ghost and change your, 5 seconds or less |
| 18:02.12 | wols | Ronin: the kiddie then uses werdna_ |
| 18:02.16 | wols | then there are two werdnas |
| 18:02.23 | Ronin | heh |
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| 18:02.52 | wols | would be the same if I'd set my nick to ronin |
| 18:02.57 | wols | only that my irssi has 300s reconnect |
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| 18:03.25 | wols | personally, autorejoins are a reason for banning for me :) |
| 18:03.25 | Ronin | wols: takes me a while to get mine back if i disconnect, theres a script running for someone who really wants it :) |
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| 18:03.43 | wols | wow. only idiots on freenode |
| 18:03.56 | stew | wols: please don't call me an idiot |
| 18:03.56 | pickcoder | WerdnaServer: just assign a hostmask to your nickserv access list |
| 18:03.58 | woodgrain | !coreduo |
| 18:04.05 | blondie | wols: speak for yoursel ;) |
| 18:04.06 | helo | if i want a program to always run, and automatically be restarted if it dies, what should i do? |
| 18:04.09 | wols | blondie: I did! |
| 18:04.14 | blondie | +f |
| 18:04.29 | woodgrain | blondie, wols _was_ speaking for himself, i think. |
| 18:04.46 | WerdnaServer | pickcoder, I access from all over the shop |
| 18:04.48 | stew | wols: if someone here is bothering you, learn to use /ignore, don't resort to namecalling |
| 18:04.48 | helo | core duos are hard to program for... |
| 18:04.49 | dondelelcaro | helo: depends on the nature of the program; @restart while sleep 1s; do fooprog; done; in your crotab will do it. |
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| 18:05.00 | AciD_irl | hi |
| 18:05.06 | pickcoder | WerdnaServer: they have the same root domain don't they? |
| 18:05.08 | wols | stew: don't think ronin's stalker script is here |
| 18:05.09 | woodgrain | helo, is there kernel suppt for these buggers? |
| 18:05.11 | WerdnaServer | pickcoder, nope |
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| 18:05.16 | wishkah | trying to get dri working with nvidia drivers on debian, glxinfo says NVIDIA for everything but "client glx vendor string", that's why I don't get dri. what's that and how do i fix it? |
| 18:05.18 | helo | woodgrain: yep |
| 18:05.34 | wols | helo: what's hard about them? |
| 18:05.34 | chrisq | wishkah: you dont want dri with nvidia |
| 18:05.39 | wols | simply another SMP like architecture |
| 18:05.46 | pickcoder | WerdnaServer: so add the one's you use normally or add the one you're on now |
| 18:05.51 | helo | wols: SMP is difficult to program for :) |
| 18:06.02 | wishkah | chrisq: but it's too slow |
| 18:06.03 | WerdnaServer | os3.epstone.net, hemlock.knams.wikimedia.org, *.perm.iinet.net.au, *.bigpond.net.au |
| 18:06.13 | wishkah | chrisq: and Im pretty sure it's cause Direct Rendering: No |
| 18:06.17 | WerdnaServer | pickcoder, does that auto-kill anybody not from those hostmasks? |
| 18:06.21 | chrisq | wishkah: thats not cause of it lacking dri, dri is not used by nvidia drivers |
| 18:06.24 | woodgrain | helo, does the coreduo become transparent to the software, or do I need to build everything for that chip? |
| 18:06.32 | pickcoder | it prevents them from using the nick, since it's registered under those host masks |
| 18:06.33 | helo | i've been struggling with the fact that the overhead of locks on SMP systems negates the additional cycles |
| 18:06.40 | pickcoder | unless they happen to be in one of the host masks |
| 18:06.50 | wols | helo: I have a script running as a cronjob that restarts my ppp if it dies |
| 18:06.52 | helo | woodgrain: the kernel scheduler will run programs so that your cores are utilized the most |
| 18:07.02 | chrisq | wishkah: that is if you mean dri as in the graphics stuff in the kernel and xorg, used by matrox and a few other drivers |
| 18:07.04 | wols | runs every 5 minutes or so and restarts if it's not |
| 18:07.06 | helo | woodgrain: no recompile required |
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| 18:07.30 | wishkah | chrisq: that's what I mean |
| 18:07.34 | woodgrain | helo, so there's really no reason not to get a duo? |
| 18:07.42 | helo | woodgrain: right |
| 18:07.49 | wishkah | chrisq: and in my experience 3d rendering is slow if direct rendering is no in glxinfo, also on nvidia gfx cards |
| 18:07.50 | chrisq | wishkah: well that is not used, so there is some other reason for it being slow |
| 18:07.56 | wols | or if the program isn't a daemon which goes to background, use a script that starts it and is an endless loop |
| 18:07.59 | helo | woodgrain: unless you only do one thing at a time, and that one thing isn't multithreaded |
| 18:08.10 | wols | woodgrain: price :) |
| 18:08.13 | wishkah | chrisq: I fiddle around with mesa libraries, probably it's using a software lib |
| 18:08.19 | chrisq | wishkah: you need direct rendering, but not DRI. |
| 18:08.22 | helo | wols, dondel: thanks |
| 18:08.37 | WerdnaServer | mmk, doneinated |
| 18:08.40 | wishkah | chrisq: but I checked the libglx extension for xorg, that's nvidia 7676 |
| 18:08.42 | chrisq | wishkah: sounds more probable |
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| 18:08.57 | wishkah | chrisq: isn't DRI = Direct Rendering Infastructure == Direct Rendering? |
| 18:09.06 | chrisq | wishkah: nope |
| 18:09.17 | wishkah | chrisq: god damnit, are they trying to make this confusing? |
| 18:09.29 | woodgrain | wols, oh, yeah, that. I haven't actually looked for one yet. May be humbling. |
| 18:09.34 | chrisq | wishkah: DRI is the name of a specific direct rendering interface in the kernel |
| 18:09.41 | chrisq | not generic direct rendering |
| 18:09.54 | wishkah | chrisq: okay, so no "load dri" in the xorg.conf |
| 18:10.00 | wols | woodgrain: not too bad. but I don't like the mobo prices for example 150$ |
| 18:10.06 | chrisq | wishkah: hehe i dont know. DRI is only used by a few drivers |
| 18:10.34 | helo | direct rendering = ? says whether you are actually using direct rendering on your display... DRI is a system that is made to allow direct rendering... right? |
| 18:10.41 | woodgrain | wols, I prefer stuff that's been on the market for a couple years, steep depreciation benefits and all. |
| 18:10.42 | chrisq | wishkah: yes. in many gfx howtos and i think nvidia howtos they state that it should be off |
| 18:10.45 | tolecnal | wishkah/chrisq: infact, if i'm not mistaken most howto (including nividia's own readme) states to disable DRI the .conf |
| 18:10.53 | wishkah | chrisq: okay, I think I know what th eproblem is, /usr/lib/libGL.so isn't pointing to th envidia version of the lib |
| 18:11.09 | chrisq | wishkah: yeah, fixing that would help ;) |
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| 18:12.04 | chrisq | helo: yes, but only for a few gfx cards, s3, voodoo banshee and a few others i think |
| 18:12.32 | XoR | I have ERROR with Apache 2.2 => Starting web server (apache2)...apache2: Syntax error on line 186 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: API module structure `php5_module' in file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so is garbled - perhaps this is not an Apache module DSO? |
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| 18:13.57 | wishkah | chrisq: okay, there we go, fixed the symlink to /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.7676 and I got direct rending: yes :D Thanks mate |
| 18:14.14 | chrisq | wishkah: you're welcome, glad i could help |
| 18:14.19 | WerdnaServer | sleepy time |
| 18:14.31 | Aque0s | hey... |
| 18:14.36 | chrisq | hey Aque0s |
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| 18:15.01 | chrisq | Aque0s: there are 600+ people here, dont expect a greeting when you come here ;) |
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| 18:16.59 | XoR | who can help me about my apache 2.2 error??? |
| 18:17.09 | blondie | #apache |
| 18:17.24 | XoR | ok! |
| 18:17.57 | stew | XoR: using the debian packages? |
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| 18:18.11 | XoR | stew: yes! |
| 18:18.16 | stew | XoR: checked the bts ? |
| 18:18.27 | XoR | i'm use testing paskages |
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| 18:18.41 | stew | XoR: apache2.2 isn't in testing yet |
| 18:18.50 | XoR | maybe unstable |
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| 18:20.51 | Aque0s | stew: how do i change the apache default display pg? |
| 18:21.13 | stew | Aque0s: waht is an "apache default display pg"? |
| 18:21.18 | pickcoder | woodgrain: AMD's dual-core technology is still superior to Intel's. Intel still has less data bus bandwidth, but they are both getting close to being comparable now. |
| 18:21.33 | wols | pickcoder: not really true |
| 18:21.48 | wols | Intel has at least fo Core2Duo a unified cache |
| 18:21.51 | wols | which is good |
| 18:21.59 | pickcoder | wols: Intel still relies on an external memory controller |
| 18:22.06 | Aque0s | when u install apache, and go to the servers webpage, it says "this is a placeholder page..." blah blah |
| 18:22.09 | wols | yes. and with more cores it sucks |
| 18:22.15 | wols | but clock for clock Core2Duo IS better |
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| 18:22.37 | pickcoder | so 8GB versus 14GB is better on the bus bandwidth? |
| 18:22.40 | pickcoder | heh |
| 18:23.10 | tolecnal | Aque0s: maybe read the config file for apache, and realise that the document root for apache resides in /var/www ? |
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| 18:24.18 | stew | Aque0s: by default its going to display whatever is in /var/www |
| 18:24.38 | kljko | yeah.. but it says i dont have permissions |
| 18:25.05 | stew | Aque0s: you might edit a site-specific config in /etc/apache2/sites-available if you are runing apache2 or edit /etc/apache/httpd.conf for apache1, |
| 18:25.53 | stew | kljko: are you the admin of the box? |
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| 18:27.03 | kljko | how do i change the permissions of the folder.. yes i am the admin |
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| 18:28.08 | Supaplex | so you can't fire em? |
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| 18:28.22 | Supaplex | chmod and chown |
| 18:28.22 | redduck666 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/nIoEhK55.html why mailmain is not upgraded? |
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| 18:29.21 | Charminthemoose | when i attempt to install sun-java5-jre,aptitutude threatens to remove Kde,GNome and my kernel.what's happened?I've got testing in my sources.list |
| 18:30.08 | kljko | !tell klkjo about refcard |
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| 18:31.39 | qmr | How do I redo the setup stuff after apt-get install x-window-system ?? |
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| 18:31.48 | wols | !drxx |
| 18:31.48 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 18:31.50 | qmr | dpkg-reconfigure just returns 0 immediately and doesn't do setup stuff |
| 18:31.57 | Charminthemoose | when i attempt to install sun-java5-jre,aptitutude threatens to remove Kde,GNome and my kernel.what's happened?I've got testing in my sources.list |
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| 18:32.32 | qmr | wols neat. thanks. |
| 18:32.46 | qmr | any idea why mozilla-firefox sez it can't open display 0 when I try to open a web browser? |
| 18:33.09 | wols | cause you're a different user? |
| 18:33.36 | scud_ | what is a decent utility to see the read and write stats from a dir and not a device? |
| 18:33.46 | qmr | no.. i'm same user |
| 18:33.49 | qmr | it's just not working |
| 18:33.57 | qmr | wols ok that one you gave me is different from the first setup program .. |
| 18:34.23 | redduck666 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/nIoEhK55.html why mailmain is not upgraded? |
| 18:34.26 | wols | qmr: this is unlikely. for released debian it's the only config program |
| 18:34.50 | qmr | wols this is not the program that was run immediately after I did apt-get install x-window-system ... |
| 18:35.05 | wols | qmr: what version of debian? |
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| 18:35.56 | Supaplex | the tasty version |
| 18:35.59 | Charminthemoose | but yet when i select it in synaptic.it doesn't threaten to remove anything.what's going on? |
| 18:36.05 | qmr | wols meh... hell if I know. how do I find that out? it's from a netinst cd that is about 3 wks old |
| 18:36.21 | wols | some etch version |
| 18:36.23 | qmr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:36.38 | wols | there is no such vresion |
| 18:36.49 | wols | there is 3.1 and some 4.0 prereleases |
| 18:36.59 | ma3x | hi |
| 18:37.04 | ma3x | i'm looking for a tv card |
| 18:37.06 | qmr | how do I see what my version is? |
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| 18:37.16 | ma3x | can anyone suggest me from the following list: http://www.pixmania.com/fr/fr/775/xx/xx/103/9/criteresn.html |
| 18:37.16 | wols | qmr: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 18:37.18 | wols | what version? |
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| 18:37.50 | qmr | wols ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezon |
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| 18:38.29 | qmr | wols hmmm... it seems maybe it is same utuiltity.. however when doing the install it started like halfway through it... still have that firefox problem thoguh |
| 18:38.55 | wols | qmr: why are you running ffox via xterm btw? |
| 18:39.12 | qmr | wols because it wont start when I click button in my wm |
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| 18:39.26 | Ronin | qmr: then check the path in the menu? |
| 18:39.31 | wols | in an xterm: env |grep DISPLAY |
| 18:40.01 | qmr | wols 0.0 |
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| 18:40.43 | wols | export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 |
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| 18:41.36 | rogier | Is there a way to fake apt into thinking that a package is installed ? I wish to configure that package myself. Other packages depend on it though and require that it is installed. |
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| 18:41.56 | qmr | Ronin pretty sure it is correct.. ff should still start from a terminal anyway though |
| 18:41.58 | wols | rogier: equivs. but don't use it. it's bad for you |
| 18:42.05 | wols | this dependency is for a reason |
| 18:42.07 | qmr | wols (firefox-bin:3457): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 18:42.19 | wols | qmr: stll with the export line? |
| 18:42.25 | beardy | rogier: Build the package yourself. |
| 18:42.26 | beardy | !source |
| 18:42.27 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
| 18:42.28 | qmr | wols yea |
| 18:42.38 | qmr | wols it was 0.0, I chantge to localhost:0.0 |
| 18:42.47 | wols | qmr: xhost +localhost (just for testing, not permanent) |
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| 18:43.19 | qmr | qmr@ares:~$ xhost +localhost |
| 18:43.20 | qmr | xhost: unable to open display "localhost:0.0" |
| 18:43.29 | qmr | meh this is kind of sad. I just want to check my email :( |
| 18:43.30 | wols | doh |
| 18:43.42 | qmr | how can it not open or whatever? X is going now |
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| 18:43.51 | rogier | wols, beardy, it concerns mythtv-database, which only sets up the database for mythtv. I already have the database. On another host. The debian package configure script does not allow for that, so I would like to keep it the debian way, but I can't |
| 18:43.58 | wols | !mit-magic-cookie |
| 18:43.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mit-magic-cookie is 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or "export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority" (either (but not both) will let you run programs under X as root, when X was started by non-root), but xhost +localhost is damned insecure. Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. 'zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz'. Also, ... |
| 18:44.00 | wols | that perhaps |
| 18:44.07 | rogier | will check equivs |
| 18:44.28 | qmr | ... |
| 18:44.29 | qmr | wtf? |
| 18:46.02 | qmr | I have not even done anything to this install and it is all jacked up |
| 18:46.03 | qmr | unreal |
| 18:46.22 | qmr | still not opening FF after exporting that above line |
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| 18:46.48 | srart | anyone here know anything about tla? |
| 18:47.04 | tarzeau | !tla |
| 18:47.04 | dpkg | [tla] Three Letter Acronym. or the archetypal TLA. |
| 18:47.04 | azeem | srart: try to ask a more specific question |
| 18:47.24 | qmr | I am going to restart x |
| 18:47.25 | qmr | brb |
| 18:47.39 | azeem | dpkg: tla is also <see arch> |
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| 18:47.40 | dpkg | azeem: okay |
| 18:47.59 | appelza | hi, where can I fix : MAIL FROM:<www-data@prophecy> so it shows prophecy.co.za ? |
| 18:48.11 | srart | arch, I want to know how to make it quit trying to put my binarys files into the sourcecode tree, (object files too) |
| 18:48.13 | appelza | ive tried editing the /etc/hostname and then reinstalling exim but no luck |
| 18:48.15 | azeem | appelza: which mail server are you using? |
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| 18:48.18 | tarzeau | appelza: what says hostname? hostname -f? hostname -s? |
| 18:48.22 | appelza | exim4 |
| 18:48.24 | tarzeau | appelza: or domainname |
| 18:48.26 | qmr | So how the hell do you people browse the internet? |
| 18:48.35 | tarzeau | qmr: links2 -g |
| 18:48.36 | Ronin | qmr: text, ff, galeon |
| 18:48.45 | appelza | hostname still says prophecy even after editing..hmm, should I source it, or relogin? |
| 18:48.50 | Bhavesh | i use ff |
| 18:48.54 | tarzeau | appelza: use the command, hostname |
| 18:48.59 | qmr | ehm... how do you setup FF then? |
| 18:49.05 | tarzeau | !ff |
| 18:49.07 | Ronin | qmr: refresh my old mind, firefox runs from a term but not from a menu? |
| 18:49.08 | wols | qmr: what desktop env do you use? |
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| 18:49.14 | qmr | wols wmaker |
| 18:49.16 | appelza | ooh |
| 18:49.17 | appelza | ok |
| 18:49.19 | tarzeau | dpkg ff is hexadecimal for 255 |
| 18:49.20 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 18:49.23 | abrotman | qmr: apt-get install firefox or mozilla-firefox |
| 18:49.23 | qmr | Ronin No, it doesn't run at all |
| 18:49.26 | wols | rogier: doesn't run at all. no X program runs from xterm |
| 18:49.30 | Ronin | ahh ok |
| 18:49.40 | qmr | abrotman I did apt-get install mozilla-firefox... but it won't start |
| 18:49.52 | Wooda | I got a 2.6.26 kernel from kernel.org, now I want to make initrd. Is there any need for cramfs patch or something like that ? |
| 18:49.59 | qmr | it wont' start from twm either |
| 18:50.08 | tarzeau | qmr: it starts here, very slowly |
| 18:50.12 | Wooda | s/2.6.26/2.4.26 |
| 18:50.18 | tarzeau | qmr: mind trying links2 ? |
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| 18:50.44 | wols | Wooda: do you really need initrd? |
| 18:50.47 | qmr | I can start other applications from a terminal |
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| 18:50.53 | qmr | xeyes for example |
| 18:50.55 | wols | qmr: which ones? |
| 18:51.03 | wols | and why not xhost? |
| 18:51.03 | Wooda | wols, yes |
| 18:51.09 | wols | that doesn't make sene |
| 18:51.09 | rogier | wols, sorry, to what are you refering to ? "doesn't run at all. no X program runs from xterm" I don't understand. |
| 18:51.11 | wols | sense |
| 18:51.16 | qmr | qmr@ares:~$ xhost |
| 18:51.16 | qmr | access control enabled, only authorized clients can connect |
| 18:51.16 | qmr | qmr@ares:~$ |
| 18:51.18 | wols | Wooda: raid? |
| 18:51.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you tried boson? |
| 18:51.49 | wols | rogier: that's qmr's problem from his description. but turns out I was wrong |
| 18:52.13 | Wooda | wols, not exactly. but my hard disk has a module which its code is not so stable, and I prefer to not built it in kernel |
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| 18:52.32 | qmr | tarzeau uhm... installing links2 now |
| 18:52.36 | abrotman | qmr: that's a bit vague .. why won't it start ? |
| 18:52.44 | tarzeau | qmr: tried BTS? i just found: http://groups.google.ch/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/19d8638d258dbe4/3713dd8c8976a7a1?lnk=st&q=debian+firefox&rnum=9#3713dd8c8976a7a1 |
| 18:52.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: been busy! i got older! |
| 18:52.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: happy birthday |
| 18:53.04 | qmr | abrotman I don't know! says it can't open display if I try to start it in a terminal |
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| 18:53.06 | wols | Wooda: why do you need an initrd then? if that hdd has your /, you cannot disable it anyways. and a module runs in kernelspace just as something compiled it |
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| 18:53.07 | qmr | tarzeau what is "BTS"? |
| 18:53.09 | wols | *in |
| 18:53.11 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 18:53.11 | boodie | Every day I get older |
| 18:53.11 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 18:53.42 | appelza | exim -bP gives me : |
| 18:53.44 | appelza | qualify_domain = prophecy |
| 18:53.44 | appelza | qualify_recipient = prophecy |
| 18:53.48 | appelza | how would I add .co.za ? |
| 18:53.56 | tarzeau | appelza: what says hostname and hostname -f ? |
| 18:54.03 | appelza | prophecy.co.za |
| 18:54.11 | tarzeau | appelza: which one? |
| 18:54.13 | appelza | exim also gives : primary_hostname = prophecy.co.za |
| 18:54.22 | Wooda | wols, anyway ! my question was something else :) Do I need any patch (for cramfs) ? |
| 18:54.43 | appelza | both tarzeau |
| 18:54.50 | tarzeau | appelza: that's not right |
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| 18:55.00 | qmr | still not working :( |
| 18:55.02 | qmr | sorry I lost my X stuff for a minute |
| 18:55.09 | tarzeau | qmr: and links2 ? |
| 18:55.19 | appelza | i agree :/ |
| 18:55.20 | qmr | tarzeau I tried links2 -G and it killed X |
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| 18:55.27 | tarzeau | qmr: it's links2 -g or xlinks2 |
| 18:55.47 | qmr | tarzeau fab-o |
| 18:55.55 | qmr | tarzeau links2 opened a window |
| 18:56.06 | tarzeau | qmr: then press "g" |
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| 18:56.13 | tarzeau | qmr: and type www.google.com or something |
| 18:56.17 | CRK-FOX | what is the command to KDE?? |
| 18:56.27 | tarzeau | CRK-FOX: startkde ? |
| 18:56.30 | CRK-FOX | to start |
| 18:56.41 | roxy_ | what username/password should I use to log into cups via localhost:631 ? |
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| 18:56.57 | qmr | tarzeau yes I know hwo to use links. it is working fine... |
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| 18:56.57 | dman | hi there.. was trying to install woody on an old toshiba laptop.. somehow the wireless card does not get recognised.. manually installing the orinoco driver does not help either.. would i have more luck trying to install sarge?? |
| 18:57.05 | CRK-FOX | error: kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server |
| 18:57.13 | boodie | roxy: your root password |
| 18:57.19 | appelza | tarzeau: any ideas? |
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| 18:57.44 | roxy_ | boodie: I tried root and rootpassword but it doesn't recognise it . |
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| 18:57.54 | tarzeau | appelza: what does your /etc/hosts look like? |
| 18:57.55 | CRK-FOX | ?? |
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| 18:58.07 | tarzeau | appelza: really read man hostname |
| 18:58.11 | roxy_ | boodie: I tried also admin/rootpassword but nothing |
| 18:58.23 | boodie | roxy: otherwise you can probably adduser yourself to the group cups I presume |
| 18:58.25 | tarzeau | appelza: for login to take effect of the new name, you'll want telinit q |
| 18:58.34 | tarzeau | appelza: and for processes you'll want to restart them too |
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| 18:59.14 | Anthro | Is there a package with qt4 static libraries? |
| 18:59.29 | CRK-FOX | error: kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server |
| 18:59.36 | CRK-FOX | when start kde |
| 18:59.42 | appelza | aha! |
| 18:59.43 | CRK-FOX | any ideas? |
| 18:59.50 | appelza | ./etc/hosts has prophecy not prophecy.co.za |
| 18:59.51 | appelza | tnx |
| 18:59.53 | Ronin | CRK-FOX: youve installed x correct? |
| 18:59.59 | tarzeau | appelza: you'll want to have both |
| 19:00.06 | tarzeau | appelza: see www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ for an example |
| 19:00.15 | dman | hi there.. was trying to install woody on an old toshiba laptop.. somehow the wireless card does not get recognised.. manually installing the orinoco driver does not help either.. would i have more luck trying to install sarge?? |
| 19:00.20 | qmr | soo... why my firefox not working? :( |
| 19:00.30 | boodie | roxy: root/rootpassword |
| 19:00.39 | qmr | dman look it up in the hardware compatibility list. if it is not there then use ndiswrapper |
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| 19:01.35 | paolob | Hi guys! is there in debian a software to manage a little sale point? |
| 19:01.58 | CRK-FOX | ronin: hey |
| 19:02.13 | dman | qmr, it worked under ubuntu breezy, but need a more lighter system for this laptop.. ndiswrapper is not necessary, the orinoco driver should work just fine, but somehow not during the woody install |
| 19:02.20 | CRK-FOX | ronin: can you guide me to install X correctly |
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| 19:02.38 | qmr | dman have you loaded the orinoco driver ?? |
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| 19:02.54 | dman | qmr, yes, but no network |
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| 19:03.08 | qmr | dman have you broadcasted for DHCP lease? |
| 19:03.42 | dman | qmr, had to load it manually (its a pcmcia card), no i assigned a fixed ip |
| 19:03.59 | qmr | dman: try dhcp .. |
| 19:04.08 | Ronin | CRK-FOX: no but only cause im almost done here at work, msg dpkg on setting up x |
| 19:04.15 | appelza | tarzeau: ive done that, my hosts = prophecy.co.za prophecy ..hostname is prophecy.co.za, ive reinstalled exim4, logged out restarted and exim -bP still mentions prophecy |
| 19:04.16 | dman | dont think thats the problem qmr |
| 19:04.16 | appelza | :( |
| 19:04.34 | roxy_ | boodie: root/rootpassword doesn't work. I am on unstable, cups was broken untill today because of a lib. I just reinstalled it. Any know issue with it ? |
| 19:04.35 | tarzeau | appelza: maybe #exim ? |
| 19:04.35 | qmr | dman well try :P |
| 19:04.55 | appelza | will try, just thought its the debian configs that are screwing around |
| 19:05.04 | dman | qmr, thing is the card does not get recognised as a network card |
| 19:05.12 | qmr | you know I think this is a pretty crappy operating system if I can't run mozilla or firefox on it :P |
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| 19:05.40 | qmr | dman ifup wlan0 dhclient wlan0 blah blah |
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| 19:05.52 | roxy_ | Anyone reinstalled cups after it was broken in unstable ? I can't log in via localhost:631 using "root" and rootpasswd . |
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| 19:05.59 | dman | qmr, anyway hope that sarge will do the install correctly |
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| 19:06.30 | qmr | dman not going to try ndiswrapper or dhcp ? |
| 19:06.34 | dman | qmr, yeah i know, but somehow iwconfig isnt there, and cant get it because i dont have a network |
| 19:07.14 | qmr | dman in my experience wireless either "just works" or will be a *huge* pain in the ass. one or the other :p |
| 19:07.16 | stew | dman: you need to install wireless-tools |
| 19:07.30 | dman | qmr, im sure i dont need ndis*, and dont think dhcp ip assignation is going to solve it |
| 19:07.50 | dman | yeah qmr, but i need a up network for that.. :-) |
| 19:07.56 | qmr | dman it would take all of five seconds to try :P |
| 19:08.17 | stew | it would be silly to run ndiswrapper for an orinoco |
| 19:08.50 | dman | i know it should work with the orinoco driver |
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| 19:09.46 | M0E^lnx | hey guys.... |
| 19:10.03 | Hoxzer | hey ... |
| 19:10.04 | qmr | what is interface sit0? |
| 19:10.10 | Hoxzer | hmm |
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| 19:10.29 | sepski | isn't that the ipv6 over ipv4 ? |
| 19:10.30 | dman | but some how the wireless-tools need to be there as well before i can get a network, and they are not on the netinst iso |
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| 19:10.42 | stew | qmr: ipv6 over ipv4 tunnel |
| 19:10.45 | M0E^lnx | hey, I did apt-get dist-upgrade, and it got my xchat screwed |
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| 19:11.02 | qmr | dman use ethernet ? |
| 19:11.26 | dman | qmr, no port for that.. its an oldie |
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| 19:11.41 | qmr | dman no pc card slot ?? |
| 19:12.25 | Hoxzer | M0E^lnx: usuallyt dist-upgrade screwes a thing or two, next time do "apt-get upgrade" insteaad |
| 19:12.35 | dman | yeah, but aint buying a card for that thing.. :-) its wireless, or the trash... |
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| 19:12.54 | qmr | qmr@ares:~$ mozilla |
| 19:12.54 | qmr | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 19:12.54 | qmr | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 19:12.54 | qmr | (firefox-bin:4099): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 19:14.16 | qmr | qmr@ares:~$ :(( |
| 19:14.16 | M0E^lnx | lemme try that Hoxzer |
| 19:14.16 | roxy_ | I got this error in my cups/error.log: E [04/Oct/2006:20:54:55 +0200] cupsdAuthorize: Local authentication certificate not found! |
| 19:14.17 | dman | anyway, i'll see if i can pull it of with sarge |
| 19:14.21 | qmr | any more ideas with how to make firefox work ?? |
| 19:14.29 | stew | qmr: are you trying to run mozilla as the same user that started x? |
| 19:14.35 | qmr | I'm ready to just wipe this and install redhat or some shit :P |
| 19:14.39 | qmr | qmr yes |
| 19:14.43 | stew | qmr: (or have you run su or something else) |
| 19:14.43 | tarzeau | qmr: go ahead, #redhat |
| 19:14.45 | M0E^lnx | I get, Xchat is missing a lot of deps |
| 19:14.46 | qmr | stew: yes |
| 19:14.55 | tarzeau | qmr: or rather #fedora , #suse or #ubuntu |
| 19:15.10 | qmr | I mean this is just dumb. I can't even browse the web :( |
| 19:15.11 | stew | qmr: then /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 19:15.16 | tarzeau | qmr: i can |
| 19:15.22 | tarzeau | qmr: you obviously do something wrong |
| 19:15.27 | stew | qmr: it should work if you run it as the user that stared x |
| 19:15.40 | stew | qmr: or follow the instructions in /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 19:15.42 | tarzeau | qmr: do you really have debian? |
| 19:15.44 | Bhavesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.45 | stew | qmr: or /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 19:15.46 | tarzeau | qmr: which version of it? |
| 19:15.55 | qmr | tarzeau I haven't done *anything* how could I have done something wrong?! I have only done apt-get install x-window-system ; apt-get install wmaker ; apt-get install mozilla-firefox !!! |
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| 19:16.22 | qmr | tarzeau how do I see version? ther ei sa big debian logo as my wallpaer so I think I have it yea :P |
| 19:16.22 | tarzeau | qmr: i don't know, but it works here. sid? stable? |
| 19:16.29 | tarzeau | qmr: see /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:16.32 | qmr | tarzeau should be stable |
| 19:16.34 | stew | its clearly stable |
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| 19:17.01 | qmr | tarzeau stable |
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| 19:17.25 | stew | qmr: have you tried it as the user that started x? |
| 19:17.47 | abrotman | why would you do that?! |
| 19:17.53 | qmr | stew what user started X ? |
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| 19:17.59 | abrotman | qmr: you tell us |
| 19:18.13 | abrotman | qmr: which users did you use to login to X ? |
| 19:18.13 | qmr | abrotman how do I find that out? |
| 19:18.13 | abrotman | user .. not users |
| 19:18.13 | qmr | qmr my account. |
| 19:18.21 | qmr | abrotman my account |
| 19:18.27 | abrotman | and when you start FF from the terminal .. do you have a # or a $ ? |
| 19:18.31 | qmr | I am not trying to run it as adifferent user!!! that would be pointless |
| 19:18.32 | stew | qmr: whatever user you were logged in as before you ran su |
| 19:18.38 | abrotman | and when you start FF from the terminal .. do you have a # or a $ ? |
| 19:18.41 | qmr | I haven't run ff |
| 19:18.48 | abrotman | when you run firefox |
| 19:18.53 | qmr | abrotman I'm not trying to start it as root |
| 19:18.54 | abrotman | or mozilla-firefox .. whatever the binary is called |
| 19:18.59 | stew | qmr: sorry, your answer to my previous questions were unclear than |
| 19:19.01 | stew | then* |
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| 19:19.19 | abrotman | qmr: $ or # ? |
| 19:19.31 | qmr | abrotman I JUST SAID I AM NOT TRYING TO RUN IT AS ROOT |
| 19:19.37 | qmr | I am not totally clueless, ok? :) |
| 19:19.40 | stew | qmr: turn your caps off |
| 19:20.05 | abrotman | qmr: you would not be the first person to say that .. and not realize they were |
| 19:20.14 | abrotman | we're trying to help .. no shouting! or shooting |
| 19:20.21 | qmr | abrotman I don't appreciate being talked to like an idiot. |
| 19:20.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: he posted how he started it, as user |
| 19:20.30 | stew | 15:14 < stew> qmr: (or have you run su or something else) 15:14 < qmr> stew: yes |
| 19:20.31 | abrotman | qmr: i don't appreciate being yelled at :) |
| 19:20.38 | stew | qmr: that is why i thought you were running as a different user |
| 19:20.41 | tarzeau | qmr: he's sometimes like that, don't worry |
| 19:20.45 | abrotman | qmr: whoami .. says what ? |
| 19:20.55 | abrotman | and no yelling! |
| 19:20.57 | qmr | stew I see. no, I'm not running it as diff user or anything |
| 19:21.05 | qmr | abrotman it says qmr |
| 19:21.07 | abrotman | but your magic cookie is broken ? |
| 19:21.27 | stew | qmr: does "~/.Xauthority" exist? |
| 19:21.44 | abrotman | the error is that he's not allowed right ? |
| 19:21.50 | stew | yeah |
| 19:21.57 | abrotman | qmr: how did you start X? xdm/kdm/gdm or startx ? |
| 19:21.59 | qmr | stew no I removed it when the info dpkg said didn't work |
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| 19:22.12 | qmr | abrotman it starts when I boot the machine now. it goes into xdm |
| 19:22.17 | stew | qmr: oh, without that file you aren't going to be able to start anything |
| 19:22.18 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 19:22.27 | abrotman | and yes .. you need .Xauthority |
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| 19:22.49 | CRK-FOX | with command STARTX error: FATAL SERVER ERROR: NO SCREENS FOUND |
| 19:22.54 | abrotman | least graceful way to fix should be to logout/login again |
| 19:23.21 | qmr | I'll do that, but it won't fix my FF problem |
| 19:23.22 | qmr | brb |
| 19:23.28 | stew | qmr: yes it would |
| 19:23.30 | qmr | I should put irc in a screen with all this logging in and out |
| 19:23.53 | qmr | stew ehm the ff problem was there before I did anything with .Xauthority |
| 19:24.01 | abrotman | i blame BitchX |
| 19:24.10 | Braindead | don't talk to him like he's an idiot!!!!1 |
| 19:24.29 | Braindead | he just erased .Xauthority,real gurus often do that. and they use bitchx |
| 19:24.32 | stew | qmr: if the problem is "user not authorized" and you don't have a .Xauthority (which is required) then i'd think it is related |
| 19:24.49 | stew | oh, he's gone, isn't he |
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| 19:24.58 | mateuszk | :) |
| 19:24.59 | mateuszk | lol |
| 19:25.02 | stew | 1 *: PARTS QUITS -regexp -pattern (BitchX|BX) |
| 19:25.05 | Braindead | plus real gurus don't know hot to detach bitchx and retach it with scr-bx |
| 19:25.12 | stew | Braindead: drop it |
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| 19:25.29 | Braindead | like it's hot |
| 19:25.49 | qmr | .Xauthority exists now |
| 19:26.02 | qmr | firefox still not staryting |
| 19:26.15 | qmr | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 19:26.16 | qmr | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client |
| 19:26.33 | abrotman | i wonder if xdm needs to be restarted to get the key correctly |
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| 19:27.00 | qmr | abrotman I have tried that, didn't seem to fix it. want me to do it again ? |
| 19:27.05 | stew | qmr: have you tried "xauth extract - :0 | xauth merge -" |
| 19:27.12 | qmr | stew nope |
| 19:27.19 | abrotman | stew: that was so obvious! |
| 19:27.37 | stew | i kinda doubt it would work |
| 19:27.43 | abrotman | i was joking |
| 19:27.55 | qmr | erhmm.. wtf |
| 19:28.03 | qmr | stew hey look it's firefox |
| 19:28.14 | stew | i figured that was what he meant by "...when the info dpkg said didn't work..." |
| 19:28.15 | qmr | but why the hell do I have to do all that? why didn't it "just work"? :( |
| 19:28.31 | qmr | thanks stew |
| 19:28.45 | stew | qmr: i don't know. i've not heard of that problem from a fresh install before |
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| 19:29.03 | qmr | stew ... rj382-jfkl?!?!? :( |
| 19:29.07 | qmr | installed only a few things |
| 19:29.10 | qmr | then started X |
| 19:29.12 | qmr | crazy |
| 19:29.24 | mateuszk | ;] |
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| 19:29.57 | qmr | anyone know any apps to show and change your X resolution? want something for use with wmaker |
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| 19:30.15 | stew | qmr: xrandr |
| 19:30.27 | stew | or, /msg dpkg drxx |
| 19:30.57 | qmr | hmm interesting. It hoguth I set my stuff to 1024x768, but it's only @ 800x600 |
| 19:31.16 | Braindead | qmr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 19:32.07 | qmr | Braindead yea I did that. I will do it again maybe. also.. what is dkpg-reconfigure x-window-system ? that just returned immediately when I tried it. had to ask here to get right one to do |
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| 19:33.00 | Braindead | qmr: x-window-system is a metapackage so you'd better refer to xserver-xfree86 if you're using sarge or xserver-xorg from etch on |
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| 19:34.07 | qmr | braindead I see. thank you. xorg much more better than xfree86? |
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| 19:34.25 | qmr | I am rather new to doing gfx stuff on unix. use it just for servers... considering switching to it for desktops though |
| 19:34.34 | stew | qmr: depending on your hardware it should not be noticibly different |
| 19:34.46 | elif | Hi All Debian hackers... I'm in a doubt. I have to set-up a java environment but not to the role system (to the role users) I'm thinking, just to create a directory (/usr/local/java) and include it into the path env of that users who need it only. But I don't know if this solution should be adopt, there is anyone better ??? |
| 19:34.57 | qmr | brb, I am trying to change my X stuff |
| 19:35.02 | cydork | !install java |
| 19:35.02 | dpkg | well, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using unstable. |
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| 19:35.23 | qmr | wheee 1024x768 |
| 19:35.26 | qmr | super highres! :) |
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| 19:35.58 | elif | hehe: I would like cydork |
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| 19:36.36 | elif | but I have to... the question is, if this is clean to the system or not... |
| 19:36.53 | Renfield | I just installed epiphany. When I try to run it bash tells me it is not found. How do I determine what the name of the program is? How do I list the files that belong to the epiphany package? |
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| 19:37.29 | pumpkin0 | Renfield: "dpkg -L package " |
| 19:37.34 | cydork | elif, /msg dpkg java-package |
| 19:37.41 | Braindead | elif: you can make a "java" group and chmod the java binaries |
| 19:37.45 | eldowan | qmr: I've been trying to follow the chat... What fixed your ff issue? |
| 19:37.51 | cydork | elif, and what do you mean by clean? |
| 19:38.01 | Braindead | elif: after using java-package,which is the cleanest way to install it |
| 19:38.06 | Renfield | Ah, the apt-get howto says apt-file list package. This shows nothing. |
| 19:38.14 | qmr | eldowan /lastlog stew should find it. |
| 19:38.28 | Braindead | Renfield: dpkg -L package |
| 19:39.01 | qmr | stew is my hero! |
| 19:39.07 | eldowan | qmr: /lastlog stew didn't work, "[Error] lastlog: Unknown command." |
| 19:39.24 | qmr | eldowan well I guess your irc client just sucks. Uhm... let me find it.... |
| 19:39.37 | stew | 15:27 < stew> qmr: have you tried "xauth extract - :0 | xauth merge -" |
| 19:39.46 | qmr | <stew> qmr: have you tried "xauth extract - :0 | xauth merge -" |
| 19:39.52 | stew | yes |
| 19:40.06 | eldowan | stew: qmr: Thanks. I though stew said that it was a joke... |
| 19:40.07 | qmr | <3 |
| 19:40.19 | qmr | eldowan nope that fixed it |
| 19:40.30 | Renfield | Ok, apparently I just installed a game. How do I install the epiphany WEB BROWSER? |
| 19:40.35 | stew | eldowan: no, it wasn't a joke, i was just not confident that it would work |
| 19:40.57 | Braindead | Renfield: aptitude search ~nepiphany |
| 19:40.58 | Renfield | Oh, I guess I need epiphany-browser. |
| 19:41.02 | eldowan | stew: Ahh. That was why I missed it. :) |
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| 19:42.00 | elif | cydork: I mean, clean because I won't use deb pakcage for that, but I would like to keep the things near the way dpkg would do intalling a java-package (using maybe the same places default)... |
| 19:42.24 | elif | but granted just few to see it. |
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| 19:42.41 | CRK-FOX | how I can fix x server? |
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| 19:43.21 | qmr | hmm |
| 19:43.29 | qmr | php 4 is installed with stable? |
| 19:43.29 | Braindead | elif: working on paths only it's just pointless,anybody could reach /usr/local/ and use java anyway. use java-package to install java globally,then chmod the binaries so that only the users that are also members of,let's say,"java" group can use it |
| 19:43.32 | qmr | meh |
| 19:43.34 | stew | CRK-FOX: put your /var/log/XFree86.0.log into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:43.47 | stew | qmr: not unless you request it to be installed |
| 19:43.58 | cydork | elif, i agree with Braindead |
| 19:44.01 | qmr | stew yes. but I think 4 is kind of... old >:P |
| 19:44.18 | qmr | I am trying to find best OS for my servers |
| 19:44.27 | stew | qmr: when sarge was frozen, php5 was kind of... buggy |
| 19:44.38 | stew | qmr: /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:45.14 | stew | qmr: as long as you dont need php-mysqli (php-mysql is fine, just not php-mysqli) then you can run php5 from bpo |
| 19:45.33 | qmr | "emerge" on gentoo has a -p for "pretend" ... is there similar for apt-get ? |
| 19:45.35 | elif | ok... thks for help Braindead and Cydork... |
| 19:45.40 | stew | qmr: -s |
| 19:45.40 | qmr | ie it shows you changes, but doesn't do anything |
| 19:45.44 | qmr | stew thx |
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| 19:47.48 | qmr | what would be proper command to download and install mysql daemon and client? |
| 19:47.49 | keith80403 | Having a problem with apt-file on Sarge - get this error: cp: cannot stat `/cdrom/dists/unstable/Contents-i386.gz': No such file or directory |
| 19:48.16 | Bhavesh | qmr: i just installed it.. i did aptitude install mysql-server mysql-client |
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| 19:48.25 | stew | qmr: apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
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| 19:48.48 | pickcoder | keith80403: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove your cdrom lines |
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| 19:49.20 | qmr | hmm... so anyone here work on production web servers? you think best OS for that is XXX and why? |
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| 19:49.58 | pickcoder | Debian, because this is #debian |
| 19:49.59 | stew | qmr: debian. it is stable. |
| 19:49.59 | Braindead | qmr: they say in Italy "don't ask the barman whether the wine is good" |
| 19:50.11 | CRK-FOX | Fatal server error: |
| 19:50.11 | CRK-FOX | no screens found |
| 19:50.11 | keith80403 | pickcoder, OK, will do - thanks. |
| 19:50.50 | keith80403 | qmr, If I had a choice, I'd run Debian stable. |
| 19:51.03 | stew | CRK-FOX: put your /var/log/XFree86.0.log into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 19:52.28 | qmr | zomg |
| 19:52.33 | qmr | I have new email! <3 |
| 19:52.35 | qmr | hm |
| 19:53.01 | qmr | well, I have used FreeBSD, (love it) Gentoo (nice but PITA) and now trying debian. main concern is that it has a lot of ooold stuff |
| 19:53.12 | qmr | apt is rather compelling |
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| 19:53.26 | redduck666 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/nIoEhK55.html any ideas why mailman is not upgraded? |
| 19:53.28 | asg | qmr: old == stable and well tested. |
| 19:53.35 | CRK-FOX | stew |
| 19:53.51 | CRK-FOX | give me an example of how to send a msg with pastebin |
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| 19:54.00 | Braindead | dpkg: tell CRK-FOX about pastebin |
| 19:54.18 | qmr | CRK-FOX /msg dpkg pastebin. |
| 19:54.51 | keith80403 | qmr, Old = Stable. You don't want production going down all the time because some component wasn't tested long enough. You want a flaky production system? There are a lot of other distros out there to try. |
| 19:55.02 | groogs | I have a couple USB drives, and I want to set it up so when they are plugged in, they get automatically mounted.. each drive needs to be mounted to a certain place, no matter what device it gets assigned (eg, it could be /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, etc). I've looked at hotplug, but it doesnt really provide support for this. I think I can script it, but before I do, does anyone know an existing solution to do this, or another package I should look |
| 19:55.04 | haakonn | hello, i'm trying to install postgresql-8.1 on sarge, and i have sarge-backports in my sources.list 'apt-get install postgresql-8.1' gives me "postgresql-8.1: Depends: postgresql-common (>= 39) but it is not going to be installed". any ideas on how to solve? |
| 19:55.23 | qmr | groogs there is existing solution |
| 19:55.44 | karsten | groogs: ISTR that there's a unique device identifier feature buried _somewher_ in USB land, though I'm not sure where. Might try googling on that. |
| 19:55.54 | karsten | somewhere, even. |
| 19:56.01 | stew | CRK-FOX: use a text based browser to upload it to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php examples of text based browsers are w3m lynx links2 elinks |
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| 19:56.12 | qmr | karsten yea exactly. there is osme kinda serial # that is unique |
| 19:56.21 | groogs | karsten: /proc/scsi/usb-storage/0 has a serial number |
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| 19:56.33 | CRK-FOX | (II) ATI: Candidate "Device" section "Tarjeta de vídeo genérica". |
| 19:56.33 | CRK-FOX | (WW) ATI: PCI/AGP Mach64 in slot 16:13:0 could not be detected! |
| 19:56.33 | CRK-FOX | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 19:56.33 | CRK-FOX | Fatal server error: |
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| 19:56.36 | qmr | groogs If you can get the oreilly ubuntu book there is a chapter on doing *exactly* this. I forget name of tools involved |
| 19:56.40 | groogs | but it only shows the scsi host (eg, scsi0), and not the device (sda) |
| 19:57.09 | groogs | the only solution i've seen so far grep's the syslog to match scsi0 to sda (or whatever) |
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| 19:57.22 | qmr | zp,g |
| 19:57.25 | qmr | zomg, even |
| 19:57.28 | qmr | where is httpd.conf? |
| 19:57.33 | CRK-FOX | stew: how I send a pastebin |
| 19:57.33 | karsten | groogs: http://nail.itapac.net/coriolis/ManyThings-HOWTO.html |
| 19:57.47 | groogs | qmr: for what webserver? |
| 19:57.48 | qmr | CRK-FOX go to the website! there are many diff pastebins |
| 19:57.51 | stew | groogs: what i have done is to assign the devices names by serial numbers using udev, then if you if the ivman pacakge installed they will be automounted to /media with the same name, so when i plug in my camera memory it gets mounted to /media/camerasd1 |
| 19:57.52 | keith80403 | qmr, try "locate httpd.conf" |
| 19:57.53 | qmr | groogs apache2 |
| 19:58.05 | karsten | groogs: Unfortunately the referenced script is 404/awol. |
| 19:58.09 | qmr | there is /etc/apache2/httpd.conf, but it is empty |
| 19:58.10 | groogs | qmr: /etc/apache2/apache.conf |
| 19:58.11 | qmr | (mostly empty) |
| 19:58.22 | groogs | it got renamed, for some reason or another |
| 19:58.28 | Yulm | do you any software that gets all hardware serial numbers? |
| 19:58.32 | esteel | hey.. can anyone help me with a 'hibernate' problem? since i updated my laptop from testing to unstable i can only suspend as root and no longer as normal user. I did not find any config option for this.. how can i allow normal users suspend? |
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| 19:58.43 | stew | groogs: use hal-device-manager to find the serial number, then i put this into a file in /etc/udev/rules.d : SYSFS{serial}=="452129664872", NAME="camerasd%n" |
| 19:58.45 | groogs | stew: hm, that seems reasonable |
| 19:58.47 | asg | esteel: use sudo |
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| 19:59.50 | esteel | asg: hmm in testing i could use the power managment icon in gnome.. when i use sudo that will not work. But if there is no other way.. |
| 20:00.21 | asg | esteel: oh, you might try #gnome on oftc.net. I don't use it so can't say. |
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| 20:01.08 | qmr | any idea what / why httpd.conf is all screwy on debian? why the apache.conf ? |
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| 20:01.28 | asg | qmr: /usr/share/doc/apache*/README.Debian* |
| 20:01.36 | qmr | asg ty |
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| 20:02.18 | groogs | qmr: it splits everything out, eg, virtualhosts are in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
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| 20:02.33 | groogs | qmr: it's actually really nice once you get used to it, its very easy to manage |
| 20:02.34 | qmr | groogs whyyyy |
| 20:02.52 | groogs | you can use a2ensite name-of-vhost-file to enable |
| 20:02.57 | groogs | a2dissite ,a2enmod etc |
| 20:02.58 | asg | qmr: to allow packages to add bits without breaking the config or assuming things about a monolithic config |
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| 20:03.23 | asg | qmr: see the info in /usr/share/exim*/README.Debian* for a similar rationale. |
| 20:03.27 | esteel | asg: thanks.. |
| 20:03.32 | asg | esteel: you're welcome |
| 20:03.34 | zamaliphe | how to list all the unifont fonts ? |
| 20:03.47 | groogs | qmr: eg, if i make a vhost "domain.com" then I need to make /etc/apache2/sites-available/domain.com, put the <VirtualHost> definition in it, then do a2ensite domain.com |
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| 20:04.31 | jair | guys, do you know if, a machine is allowing telnet connections (which i never will do) the telnet will allow only one connection at the time? |
| 20:04.45 | asg | jair: it could be configured to do so |
| 20:04.57 | qmr | jair depends on how it is set up |
| 20:05.06 | zamaliphe | i have try the $dpkg --listfiles unifont ; but it list the files not the fonts |
| 20:05.27 | karsten | jair: that would be odd. |
| 20:05.46 | jair | asg: hmm I am on the "/etc/telnet.conf" and I would like to configure to more than one connection can be done. |
| 20:05.48 | asg | karsten: just taking rate limiting to the extreme |
| 20:06.00 | karsten | asg: Singularly. |
| 20:06.06 | qmr | http://74.133.112.92/phpsysinfo/ <3 |
| 20:06.08 | jair | qmr: it is a normal telnet |
| 20:06.16 | asg | jair: I would expect something like xinetd is used to provide the limit. I didn't know telnet had any config natively. |
| 20:06.49 | Slidey | anyone use util-vserver 0.30.210-10 ? |
| 20:07.01 | karsten | !tell Slidey about polls |
| 20:07.06 | karsten | !tell Slidey about ask |
| 20:07.15 | Toast | I've been trying to add a disk to a raid array using mdadm, but it's throwing an error that I don't get. |
| 20:07.29 | jair | asg: hmmm so i will have to go check the xinet file |
| 20:07.31 | Slidey | ok my apologies |
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| 20:07.40 | karsten | Toast: Can we guess what the error is? |
| 20:07.47 | karsten | Toast: .... or were you planning on sharing? |
| 20:08.05 | Toast | I'm planning on sharing :) |
| 20:08.12 | Toast | mdadm: add new device failed for /dev/hdg1 as 1: Invalid argument |
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| 20:08.28 | Toast | which doesn't really tell me much... I'll give you a little backgound |
| 20:08.32 | asg | jair: maybe. xinetd might not be used. If I were doing what you suggest is occuring though, that's how I would do it. |
| 20:08.57 | Toast | When I installed etch, I setup a single disk as a raid 1 array, planning to add another disk to it later. |
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| 20:09.34 | Slidey | im trying to test a system with vserver, so ive folloed a tutorial from deb.riseup.net - my kernel is recompiled and running fine, and ive installed util-vserver 0.30.210-10, but when i try and change permissions as described for a different vserver root (setattr --barrier /vservers) i get /vservers: Function not implemented |
| 20:09.46 | Slidey | an strace gives: vserver(0x26020001, 0, 0xaf940b04, 0xaf942bc0, 0x2) = -1 ENOSYS (Function not implemented) |
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| 20:09.56 | Toast | I set up the second disk identically to the first (they are identical drives and look identically partitioned using sfdisk -l) |
| 20:09.58 | asg | Toast: /dev/hdg1 is not a disk though, it's a partition on /dev/hdg |
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| 20:10.47 | Slidey | should there be a module for me to install ? |
| 20:10.48 | Toast | asg: I didn't want to add the whole disk. the first partition will be raid 1 and the second will use LVM an be joined. |
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| 20:11.20 | asg | Toast: oh, okay |
| 20:11.21 | Toast | cat /proc/mdstat shows md0 : active raid0 hde1[0] |
| 20:11.50 | Toast | hang on... let me make sure I have my raid levels right here... |
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| 20:12.52 | beardy | dudidudididadada |
| 20:13.24 | beardy | Haha, wrong channel.. |
| 20:13.27 | beardy | :) |
| 20:13.28 | Toast | this is intresting... I'm sure I set the system up as raid 1, but looking at mdstat, it's comming up as raid 0. I wonder if I typed it in wrong, or if the installer set it up wrong... |
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| 20:13.43 | stew | i wonder what channel would be the right channel for that |
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| 20:13.56 | asg | stew: the discussion of song40.ogg in #openbsd? |
| 20:14.08 | Slidey | is anyone using util-vserver currently then (is that against the rules too) ? |
| 20:14.10 | beardy | No, but _a_ song, yes. |
| 20:14.30 | Toast | Is it possable to change a single disk raid array from raid 0 to raid 1 on the fly? |
| 20:14.35 | cydork | beardy, so someone can actully understand that? :P |
| 20:14.45 | beardy | cydork: Probably. |
| 20:14.47 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 20:14.48 | dpkg | [qotd87] <MaXoM> hello i have a problem with squirrelmail can i help you? |
| 20:14.51 | qmr | oooohhh |
| 20:14.52 | qmr | neat! |
| 20:14.54 | tarzeau | haha |
| 20:15.08 | qmr | debian has used this built-in speaker in my iPAQ for regular audio not just PC speaker. |
| 20:15.18 | stew | tarzeau: how can you have raid0 with a single disk? |
| 20:15.21 | stew | Toast: |
| 20:15.21 | qmr | ubuntu used it only for PC speaker, and refused to use it for regular audio as well |
| 20:15.38 | tarzeau | i can have toast with pineapple and a cherry on top |
| 20:16.00 | Toast | stew: it is just a raid 0 array without the second disk! |
| 20:16.14 | Bhavesh | isn't raid 0 without second disk is just a plain old hdd? |
| 20:16.31 | eldowan | If I burn the a debian binary iso to cd, and then use dd on another system, the md5sum *should* match, correct? dd if=/dev/scd0 of=deb.iso |
| 20:16.32 | Toast | Bhavesh, yes, but it's mounted as /dev/md0 |
| 20:16.48 | Toast | anyway, it was ment to be a single disk raid 1 array! |
| 20:16.49 | Bhavesh | oh |
| 20:16.52 | Bhavesh | hehe |
| 20:16.53 | pickcoder | RAID 0 with 1 disk |
| 20:16.53 | qmr | eldowan I would think so.. hm |
| 20:16.54 | Bhavesh | interesting |
| 20:16.56 | pickcoder | O_o |
| 20:17.00 | pickcoder | that would be RAID -1 |
| 20:17.04 | qmr | lolz!!1 |
| 20:17.08 | Toast | which would have been like a raid 1 with 1 drive removed.... |
| 20:17.37 | beardy | See, who will understand that then? My statement wasn't worse than any other in here.. |
| 20:17.40 | stew | Toast: raid 0 without a second disk means you have lost all of the data on that disk, so you can treat it like you would a brand new disk with no data |
| 20:17.51 | beardy | (the lamer one line z) |
| 20:17.55 | beardy | online |
| 20:18.35 | Toast | The whole idea was that I used one of the disks from the array to hold my backups when I rebuild the machine. I planned to put the files where they belonged after install. I installed thinking I had created a raid 1 array which I could add another disk to when I had freed up the space. |
| 20:18.47 | groogs | stew: that udev thing works great.. do you do automount as well? |
| 20:19.03 | CRK-FOX | X log http://pastebin.ca/191252 |
| 20:19.07 | Toast | The problem was that the array got installed as a single disk raid 0 array rather than a single disk raid 1 array. It work btw... |
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| 20:19.27 | CRK-FOX | X log http://pastebin.ca/191252 |
| 20:19.44 | groogs | stew: oh sorry, you said ivman .. (which seems to be some X-win thing) .. i need something console only |
| 20:20.18 | Toast | Does anyone know how I can move my /home partition to another disk without losing the information on it? |
| 20:20.28 | Toast | (then I can rebuild the array from scratch) |
| 20:20.45 | CRK-FOX | stew: are you there?? |
| 20:20.46 | asg | Toast: dd, tar, dump/restore. There are many ways |
| 20:20.47 | qmr | the colors are kind of .... off in some of my movie files when I try to play them in VLC.. any ideas? |
| 20:21.04 | qmr | anyone know a good GUI file browser? I dont' want to install KDE or GNOME |
| 20:21.19 | Toast | asg: won't the system get confused by /home dissapearing? |
| 20:21.44 | beardy | qmr: xterm |
| 20:21.57 | karsten | qmr: bash |
| 20:21.59 | qmr | beardy ? xterm is not a GUI |
| 20:22.00 | beardy | qmr: mc if you have to |
| 20:22.03 | asg | Toast: not unless you are running things from it. You could always drop to single user mode, log in as root, and do it that way. |
| 20:22.31 | beardy | qmr: It's run in a graphical environment |
| 20:22.42 | qmr | beardy don't be a dumbass please |
| 20:22.44 | qmr | <3 |
| 20:22.52 | karsten | qmr: If you absolutely insist, there's gentoo (the browser, not the distro). That said, I prefer a shell, mc, and konqueror, in that order, with about a 95%, 4%, 1% weighting. |
| 20:23.04 | asg | qmr: people have different definitions of what GUI means. xterm -e foo is one. |
| 20:23.09 | karsten | qmr: nautilus is absolutely pants. |
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| 20:23.19 | qmr | karsten pants means good? :-S |
| 20:23.20 | eldowan | I burned a debian iso to cd and used `dd if=/dev/scd0 of=deb.iso` to create the iso on another computer. The cd is new, no scratches and the only places it has been was in my writer and the cdrom of the other computer. The the md5sums do not match between systems. Is this normal? |
| 20:23.26 | karsten | qmr: Try again. |
| 20:23.29 | beardy | qmr: That was unecessary to call me. |
| 20:23.33 | qmr | pants means bad? |
| 20:23.38 | karsten | !win qmr |
| 20:23.38 | dpkg | Congratulations, qmr! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 20:23.44 | beardy | And not a good investment for future questions. |
| 20:23.54 | Toast | Pants roughly translates to rubbish |
| 20:24.02 | CRK-FOX | stew: here is the log http://pastebin.ca/191252 |
| 20:24.07 | qmr | beardy no time to debate semantics I will ignore you now :) |
| 20:24.14 | beardy | qmr: Same to you. |
| 20:24.16 | karsten | qmr: http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/p.htm |
| 20:24.17 | beardy | *plonk* |
| 20:24.18 | qmr | nautilus is the gnome one I think? i thought it mostly sucked |
| 20:24.31 | karsten | qmr: Don't insult regulars. |
| 20:25.01 | qmr | karsten I insult people when they are just being stupid for no reason. dont' have time for it |
| 20:25.38 | beardy | !hurry |
| 20:25.38 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 20:25.55 | CRK-FOX | someone can help me with the x server... I post the log in http://pastebin.ca/191252 |
| 20:26.06 | Toast | I am trying to umount the device that /home is mounted on, but I can't as it's busy. What is the best way to move /home to another drive? |
| 20:26.17 | asg | karsten: the *plonk* exodus ensues |
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| 20:26.26 | karsten | Toast: First make it unbusy |
| 20:26.32 | karsten | asg: ? |
| 20:26.40 | asg | karsten: nevermind |
| 20:26.43 | karsten | Toast: 'fuser -mv /home' will show what processes have it open. |
| 20:26.48 | qmr | Toast "man cd" ??! |
| 20:26.53 | qmr | duh |
| 20:26.58 | qmr | Toast "man cp" ! |
| 20:27.10 | qmr | I would use a livecd then just cp -r |
| 20:27.11 | beardy | Toast: lsof can perhaps also be used, instead of fuser |
| 20:27.15 | karsten | asg: My standard forumulation is "/ignore -replies" so I'm likely not seeing it. But I think I got you. |
| 20:27.17 | asg | Toast: drop to single user mode |
| 20:27.23 | asg | karsten: *nod* |
| 20:27.26 | karsten | beardy: fuser shows users of mountpoints. |
| 20:27.55 | Toast | qmr: I can easly copy the files. I just wanted to be able to move the directory without taking it offline. |
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| 20:28.11 | Toast | I can remove all the processes using it though as karsten sugested. |
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| 20:28.18 | karsten | CRK-FOX: No devices found. Set up X again. |
| 20:28.23 | karsten | !tell CRK-FOX about set up x |
| 20:28.25 | qmr | Toast without going offline, eh. well no livecd |
| 20:28.33 | pickcoder | Toast: if it's online, then after you make your copy the original may no longer match |
| 20:28.33 | Toast | I would prefere to avoid single user mode though as I think that would kill my putty session. |
| 20:28.59 | Toast | pickcoder: I'm not so worried about the data there, so I can take the risk. |
| 20:29.00 | karsten | Toast: going single-user ("shutdown now") is the standard and safe way, but not absolutely necessary. |
| 20:29.03 | qmr | Toast depends on OS, but singleuser would probably bring down networking |
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| 20:29.21 | beardy | karsten: lsof +d /home/ perhaps? |
| 20:29.23 | karsten | Toast: Yes, it will kill putty. Unless you do something like spawn an sshd at all runlevels via inittab. |
| 20:29.34 | Toast | way to advanced for me! |
| 20:29.48 | qmr | toast do you have physical access to the machine? |
| 20:29.56 | Toast | is there a nce way to remotly log off a remote user? |
| 20:29.57 | karsten | beardy: Hrm. What's +d do? Not in TFM on quick read. |
| 20:30.03 | karsten | Toast: "slay" ;-) |
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| 20:30.12 | karsten | Toast: or hunt down PIDs and kill 'em. |
| 20:30.14 | Toast | qmr: yes, if I lay on the floor and use a nasty display |
| 20:30.25 | Toast | slay sounds to harsh! |
| 20:30.28 | karsten | Toast: A system 'wall' is considered polite if you're serving the public. |
| 20:30.35 | beardy | "This option causes lsof to search for all open instances of directory s and the files and directories it contains at its top level." and so on |
| 20:30.39 | beardy | karsten: ^^^ |
| 20:30.42 | karsten | Toast: "slay <username>" kills all of usernames processes. |
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| 20:30.45 | Toast | slay not found... will try kill |
| 20:30.47 | qmr | Toast Don't use a display, just use a livecd |
| 20:31.00 | karsten | beardy: dig, thanks, learned something. |
| 20:31.01 | qmr | # wall shutting down in five minutes ; sleep 25 ; shutdown |
| 20:31.07 | karsten | Toast: It's not installed by default. |
| 20:31.17 | qmr | toast ps -U <user> |
| 20:31.26 | karsten | beardy: ... and '+' needs to be escaped in search in less. |
| 20:31.32 | Bhavesh | sleep 25? that's not enough time :) |
| 20:31.36 | Toast | fuser helpfully gives the process ids |
| 20:31.42 | qmr | Bhavesh That's the point!! <3 |
| 20:31.48 | Toast | unfortunatly I had to kill -9 :( |
| 20:32.06 | Bhavesh | hehe |
| 20:32.13 | Bhavesh | that's just mean.. i like it! |
| 20:32.15 | Toast | well, the umount worked... shame I forgot the copy first :) |
| 20:32.16 | karsten | Toast: kill -5, kill -7, kill -9 |
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| 20:32.18 | beardy | karsten: Ah, yes, it has to be escaped, I noticed now aswell. |
| 20:33.05 | qmr | karsten not heard of slay before. looks very useful. |
| 20:33.12 | disasm | I compiled a custom kernel, enable SMP and hyperthreading and P4 with hyperthreading still shows as single processor kernel is 2.6.18 |
| 20:33.13 | karsten | beardy: That seems to track by directory, which can be useful. fuser's "-m" is _specifically_ a "what's using this mountpoint" feature. |
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| 20:33.50 | asg | disasm: do you see multiple processors with a non-custom Debian SMP kernel? |
| 20:34.01 | karsten | disasm: check your bootparam options. You may have to specify smp specifically. Check /proc/cmdline (kernel boot options). Also double-confirm your hardware using dmidecode to check processor cores. |
| 20:34.07 | Toast | karsten, will try that next time. |
| 20:34.08 | usn_work | hi folx |
| 20:34.08 | karsten | disasm: ... and what asg said. |
| 20:34.31 | karsten | CRK-FOX: any luck? |
| 20:35.40 | beardy | karsten: Yeah, I learned something aswell then :) |
| 20:35.40 | karsten | OK, I've officially got a new favorite blog. GMSV. "The charges stem from the use of "pretexting" (also called lying)" (WRT HP's pretexting^Wlying scandal) http://blogs.siliconvalley.com/gmsv/ |
| 20:35.49 | karsten | beardy: Gotta stop doing that. |
| 20:36.02 | qmr | hmmmmm I cannot eject /dev/hdc! no one is "in" that dir, and nothing should be useing it... |
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| 20:36.28 | broadcast | ups |
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| 20:36.39 | CRK-FOX | karsten |
| 20:36.51 | karsten | CRK-FOX |
| 20:36.53 | beardy | karsten: Heh. But with 'fuser -mv /home/' lots of processes is listed, such as init, portmap and so on |
| 20:37.00 | CRK-FOX | karsten: thank you... the kde is running now... |
| 20:37.14 | karsten | beardy: Is /home a seperate mount? Note that it's specific to the mount that /home is part of. |
| 20:37.23 | karsten | beardy: I suspect a / and swap fstab. |
| 20:37.30 | karsten | CRK-FOX: Great! |
| 20:37.51 | qmr | bie frendz <3 |
| 20:38.06 | tarzeau | that one would be for abrotman: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=199049&cid=16309815 |
| 20:38.06 | beardy | karsten: My mistake, only one partition on this box.. |
| 20:38.13 | karsten | beardy: :-) |
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| 20:38.52 | stew | CRK-FOX: that is saying that the ati driver couldn't find an ati card that it supports |
| 20:39.31 | stew | oh, he got it working |
| 20:40.05 | CRK-FOX | yes |
| 20:40.13 | CRK-FOX | I change to vesa |
| 20:40.26 | stew | CRK-FOX: what graphics card do you have? |
| 20:40.26 | CRK-FOX | anyway I dont want to see movies in the server |
| 20:40.36 | stew | oh, if its a server, why are you running kde on it? |
| 20:40.42 | CRK-FOX | ATIES1000 |
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| 20:41.41 | karsten | asg: Don't hold back. Vent! Spleen! Umbrage! |
| 20:42.28 | asg | karsten: I'd think a venting spleen would require a trip to the hospital and not the pub |
| 20:43.28 | disasm | asg: dmidecode is a pretty cool utility ;-) |
| 20:43.39 | karsten | asg: I didn't say it had to be yours. |
| 20:43.50 | tarzeau | disasm: so are lshw, hwinfo and ree |
| 20:43.59 | asg | disasm: never used it actually, karsten mentioned it :) |
| 20:44.00 | tarzeau | disasm: btw do you use nasm/ndisasm? |
| 20:44.21 | asg | karsten: given the current bar patronage, it would have to be. |
| 20:44.35 | karsten | asg: Pity. |
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| 20:45.42 | asg | karsten: the other denizens here look like something out of a Lovecraft story ... probably don't have spleens. |
| 20:46.48 | Toast | I am trying to find how to remove /dev/md0. I've umounted it successfully and mdadm /dev/md0 --stop it, but I can work out how to remove the array completly. |
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| 20:48.50 | CRK-FOX | how I can run the setup of startx?? |
| 20:48.58 | asg | !drxx CRK-FOX |
| 20:48.58 | dpkg | CRK-FOX: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 20:49.49 | asg | CRK-FOX: or, if you mean run programs and wms etc. when you type startx, read xsession(5) |
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| 20:51.41 | mina | ellines! |
| 20:51.55 | mina | Debian NP! |
| 20:52.13 | asg | yes, Cuban B. |
| 20:52.23 | mina | sinantisi exoyme kanis paron! |
| 20:52.33 | asg | !it |
| 20:52.33 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
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| 20:53.04 | mina | abbiamo un appuntamento per Debian Np |
| 20:53.15 | asg | ciao |
| 20:53.18 | mina | siamo greci |
| 20:53.21 | mina | ciao |
| 20:53.46 | mina | proviamo il massimo |
| 20:54.32 | mina | ELLINES .....DEBIAN NP!!!! |
| 20:55.24 | Toast | Got it... if you use mdadm /dev/md0 --stop, the command completes without output, so I assume no error. I should have used mdadm --stop /dev/md0 which reports mdadm: stopped /dev/md0 |
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| 20:55.34 | mina | dpdt7 poy eisai? |
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| 20:56.42 | mina | edo moy lene na milame italika kai toys diaolostelno!!!! |
| 20:57.04 | CRK-FOX | how I can use an graphic terminal???? (like putty but with graphic environment) |
| 20:57.14 | mina | <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<ELLINES>>>>>>>>>>>> |
| 20:57.15 | asg | !gr |
| 20:57.16 | dpkg | gr is, like, for help in greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el |
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| 20:57.18 | Toast | Cool, my array is now building! |
| 20:57.19 | luke-Jr_work | CRK-FOX: it's called X11 |
| 20:57.28 | luke-Jr_work | (over SSH) |
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| 20:57.58 | mina | why my friend ...where is the problem? |
| 20:58.17 | luke-Jr_work | what calls /etc/network/if-up.d? |
| 20:58.23 | asg | mina: we don't speak Greek here, this is an English only channel. |
| 20:58.45 | luke-Jr_work | nazeka? |
| 20:58.46 | Bhavesh | i think she is speaking italian |
| 20:58.48 | mina | ok i ll try my best |
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| 20:59.10 | Bhavesh | i think mlnet is some how causing problem with rest of the pc accessing internet |
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| 20:59.36 | fasta | I get an error that my xserver has an ABI mismatch. Is that a known issue? |
| 20:59.41 | apeman2020 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.47 | fasta | (after an upgrade) |
| 20:59.48 | mina | i speak italian german english |
| 21:00.21 | mina | ellines!!!!!! |
| 21:00.33 | Bhavesh | what does ellines mean? |
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| 21:01.52 | mina | Exoyme sinantisi gia to debian NP |
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| 21:02.55 | jetscreamer | what? |
| 21:03.00 | apeman2020 | any help with this would be much appreciated.. /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off..... why? |
| 21:03.04 | jetscreamer | mina ? |
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| 21:03.21 | Bhavesh | be back |
| 21:03.36 | jetscreamer | mina dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data ? |
| 21:03.53 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 21:04.02 | jetscreamer | !it |
| 21:04.02 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 21:04.09 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:04.11 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 21:05.09 | karsten | CRK-FOX: remote graphical access: vnc, tunneled X11 (ssh +X user@remote), NX. |
| 21:05.21 | mina | abbiamo un appuntamento per una communita greca debian NP...please!!!!!1 |
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| 21:05.46 | karsten | apeman2020: running single-user or without /dev/pts/ mounted? (no udev?) |
| 21:05.54 | jetscreamer | die udev die |
| 21:06.05 | stew | !udev++ |
| 21:06.05 | apeman2020 | karsten: it will only boot to busybox.. |
| 21:06.06 | jetscreamer | !gr |
| 21:06.07 | dpkg | i guess gr is for help in greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el |
| 21:06.09 | redduck666 | jetscreamer: why? what is better alternative? |
| 21:06.13 | apeman2020 | no udev |
| 21:06.22 | jetscreamer | !apeman2020++ |
| 21:06.28 | karsten | apeman2020: OK. Ignore the "no job control" for the moment. You _might_ be able to mount /dev/pts/ |
| 21:06.28 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.30 | apeman2020 | 2 drives hda0: / and swap |
| 21:06.47 | karsten | apeman2020: What's happened to this system? |
| 21:06.48 | werdna__ | how would I view all the files under flux.rukk.us |
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| 21:06.59 | werdna__ | Like how can I find out what other directories are under that website? |
| 21:07.09 | karsten | werdna__: Contact the webmaster. |
| 21:07.17 | jetscreamer | wget -m :o |
| 21:07.28 | mina | dpdt7 poy eisai? |
| 21:07.28 | karsten | werdna__: web access tools (snarf, curl, wget, etc.) only work on visible subdirectory links. |
| 21:07.31 | fasta | Could anyone help fix my Xserver? I get an ABI mismatch. |
| 21:07.38 | karsten | !tell fasta about drxx |
| 21:07.48 | jetscreamer | did they fix drxx? |
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| 21:07.53 | karsten | jetscreamer: Dunno. |
| 21:07.58 | karsten | jetscreamer: What's b0rken? |
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| 21:08.05 | karsten | mina: You can go away any time now. |
| 21:08.10 | fasta | karsten: I already did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:08.14 | karsten | fasta: And? |
| 21:08.15 | stew | drxx is not going to fix an abi mismatch |
| 21:08.23 | fasta | karsten: and the problem persisted |
| 21:08.25 | karsten | !tell fasta about paster |
| 21:08.30 | jetscreamer | writing the file when it's done... and don't tell me about the xmd5 thing, it 'doesn't work'(tm) |
| 21:08.30 | karsten | fasta: Post your log(s). |
| 21:08.52 | fasta | karsten: that's a bit hard, as I don't have an Xserver now. |
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| 21:09.01 | karsten | fasta: w3m, elinks |
| 21:09.06 | karsten | fasta: ... and screen or gpm. |
| 21:09.16 | stew | fasta: use a text based browser to upload to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 21:09.16 | karsten | fasta: Solve that problem, we'll solve yours (or try). |
| 21:09.27 | jetscreamer | somehting like an api but different i think |
| 21:09.33 | fasta | stew: ok |
| 21:09.37 | karsten | jetscreamer: application binary interface (duh), but WRT X11, I'm not sure. |
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| 21:10.05 | karsten | jetscreamer: abi is what some device mfrs would like the linux kernel to have. |
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| 21:10.15 | karsten | jetscreamer: Smells like HW issues to me. |
| 21:11.03 | karsten | fasta: post 'lspci' output while you're at it. |
| 21:11.04 | jetscreamer | serves games to the person at the kb |
| 21:11.04 | apeman2021 | karsten: hmm just built it |
| 21:11.05 | apeman2021 | karsten: no fstab |
| 21:11.05 | karsten | apeman2021: ? |
| 21:11.05 | apeman2021 | who knows.. |
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| 21:11.06 | karsten | apeman2021: Are you stuck in your initrd? |
| 21:11.06 | karsten | apeman2021: That would explain a lot. |
| 21:11.07 | apeman2021 | hmm |
| 21:11.19 | karsten | apeman2021: 'mount /proc; cat /proc/mounts' |
| 21:11.22 | apeman2021 | karsten: i am thinking its the partions |
| 21:11.25 | karsten | apeman2021: ... and 'dmesg' |
| 21:11.49 | apeman2021 | not found |
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| 21:12.16 | karsten | apeman2021: busybox is used by initrd. If you're in initrd (basically: the initrd tried to pivot-root to your root FS but failed) you've got problems to solve, now you've got to solve them. The "no job control" message is consistent with that. |
| 21:12.20 | apeman2021 | karsten: its strange,,, busybox 1.01 |
| 21:12.25 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 21:12.30 | karsten | apeman2021: 'mount -t proc proc /proc' |
| 21:12.31 | fasta | stew: I uploaded the file, and it says it "has been accepted". |
| 21:12.43 | karsten | fasta: What's the link it gives you? Paste that here. |
| 21:12.50 | fasta | stew: I only think I need to press some button to actually post it. |
| 21:12.52 | karsten | apeman2021: Yeah, yeah. |
| 21:12.53 | apeman2021 | nothing ;( |
| 21:12.54 | cedric_64 | Salut, Si vous rechercher un shell IRC pour heberger un server irc un eggdrop ou un bnc aller sur: www.roxshell.net (config: Sempron 2800, 1.5go de ram, 80go de dd, onduleur 40min, conn.: 8mega(ip fixe)) - !!!Offre 1 access au Shell pour les 10 premier personne!!! server irc: irc.roxshell.net |
| 21:12.57 | karsten | !fr |
| 21:12.58 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:13.07 | jetscreamer | !fr |
| 21:13.07 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:13.18 | karsten | !lose jetscreamer |
| 21:13.19 | dpkg | jetscreamer: You Lose. |
| 21:13.31 | jetscreamer | i took a shot |
| 21:13.31 | fasta | stew: found it |
| 21:13.34 | jetscreamer | your turn |
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| 21:13.40 | karsten | jetscreamer: Late shot ;-) |
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| 21:13.46 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 21:13.49 | jetscreamer | i was slow |
| 21:13.56 | jetscreamer | i thought you meant it was another lang |
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| 21:14.04 | karsten | jetscreamer: No, language was right. |
| 21:14.10 | fasta | karsten: pastebin.ca/191319 |
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| 21:14.14 | apeman2021 | so then, i should just rebuild? |
| 21:14.21 | mortal5 | hey guys, if I tell aptitude to remove a package, it acts like it wants to remove a meta package for my whole desktop |
| 21:14.38 | jetscreamer | mortal5: yeah it happens |
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| 21:14.47 | mortal5 | I just want to remove gstreamer, not the whole shebang |
| 21:14.49 | karsten | !tell mortal5 about dependencies |
| 21:14.51 | stew | fasta: what is the url? |
| 21:14.54 | jetscreamer | metapackages are just to pull other stuff in though |
| 21:15.00 | karsten | stew: ^^ |
| 21:15.13 | CRK-FOX | sd 0:2:0:0 SCSI error: return code = 0x40000 |
| 21:15.14 | fasta | stew: pastebin.ca/191319 |
| 21:15.15 | jetscreamer | they even have meta metapackages that just pull in other metapackages |
| 21:15.27 | jetscreamer | (gnome, kde) |
| 21:15.40 | CRK-FOX | Im trying to test hot plug drives and now I cant shutdown the server |
| 21:15.42 | karsten | fasta: Try updating your packages. "aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade" |
| 21:15.44 | CRK-FOX | sd 0:2:0:0 SCSI error: return code = 0x40000 |
| 21:15.47 | karsten | !tell fasta about aptitude |
| 21:16.02 | stew | fasta: had you previously installed the non-free nvidia driver? |
| 21:16.22 | fasta | karsten: I already did aptitude upgrade, isn't that the same? |
| 21:16.24 | fasta | stew: yes |
| 21:16.37 | karsten | stew: Good eye. |
| 21:17.01 | fasta | stew: Although, it's not Free software, I would like to use that hardware, but when the nv driver works, I can manage to get the rest working myself, I think. |
| 21:17.09 | karsten | fasta: "dist-upgrade" is preferred. W/ non-free Nvidia drivers it might not help. Listen to stew. |
| 21:17.21 | jelly | mortal5: it probably will remove gstreamer + the parts of your desktop env. that use gstreamer. Hence, the DE won't be complete and the metapackage won't have all the dependencies is wants (that is, all the parts of the DE), so it'll be removed too. |
| 21:17.25 | jetscreamer | just fyi though... already fixed |
| 21:17.34 | apeman2021 | karsten: might it have something to do with the fact that the server has dual procs? |
| 21:17.34 | stew | don't listen to me, i don't help with non-free software |
| 21:17.38 | karsten | fasta: ISTR issues with Nvidia on recent updates. |
| 21:17.53 | karsten | apeman2021: No. It probably has to do with not being able to mount root filesystem. |
| 21:17.54 | fasta | !ISTR |
| 21:17.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, istr is I seem to recall/remember |
| 21:18.10 | jetscreamer | use nvidia's .run the debian packages are jsut silly |
| 21:18.13 | apeman2021 | karsten |
| 21:18.15 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 21:18.17 | karsten | fasta: ... and I haven't dealt with nvidia. |
| 21:18.17 | apeman2021 | karsten: roger that |
| 21:18.19 | fasta | karsten: yes, next time I buy hardware I will go for something Free. |
| 21:18.31 | jetscreamer | seriously |
| 21:18.34 | fasta | karsten: I have, and I can tell you that I don't like the effort to get things working. |
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| 21:18.54 | karsten | fasta: Intel's new graphics chips (not the i810 stuff) seems to be the way to fly. |
| 21:18.54 | jetscreamer | i have a rage2 you can have free... :) |
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| 21:19.00 | cedric_64 | Salut, Si vous rechercher un shell IRC pour heberger un server irc un eggdrop ou un bnc aller sur: www.roxshell.net (config: Sempron 2800, 1.5go de ram, 80go de dd, onduleur 40min, conn.: 8mega(ip fixe)) - !!!Offre 1 access au Shell pour les 10 premier personne!!! server irc: irc.roxshell.net |
| 21:19.04 | fasta | stew: I get a solution with score -1250. |
| 21:19.11 | simonrvn | SPAM ^^ |
| 21:19.12 | karsten | cedric_64: /join #debian-fr |
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| 21:19.22 | karsten | !ops spam from cedric_64 in french no less.] |
| 21:19.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: spam from cedric_64 in french no less.] |
| 21:19.26 | jetscreamer | cedric_64: what part of /join #debian-fr |
| 21:19.29 | werdna__ | lets say I do wget -m http://lasco-www.nrl.navy.mil/daily_mpg/ |
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| 21:19.32 | jetscreamer | karsten: sheesh |
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| 21:19.47 | werdna__ | I want to get the next days mpg with out getting the rest of them, how do I do that with wget? |
| 21:19.50 | Blacken | The problem with "Free" graphics hardware is that it's no good for what I tend to use a graphics card for. Y'know, games. :P |
| 21:19.56 | jetscreamer | -c |
| 21:20.05 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 21:20.10 | jetscreamer | but you might want to check out -nc |
| 21:20.11 | fasta | karsten: Is dist-upgrade always preferred? |
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| 21:20.15 | jetscreamer | no-clobber |
| 21:20.23 | karsten | mentor: 14:19 -!- cedric_64 [n=cedric_6@shell.roxshell.net] |
| 21:20.29 | simonrvn | aptitude is preferrred ;) |
| 21:20.34 | simonrvn | s,rrr,rr |
| 21:20.36 | karsten | fasta: Generally. |
| 21:20.37 | simonrvn | , |
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| 21:20.44 | mentor | muhahahaha |
| 21:20.46 | jetscreamer | CRa |
| 21:20.48 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 21:20.49 | karsten | simonrvn: Rrroll those arrrrs. |
| 21:20.58 | stew | fasta: /msg dpkg why not dist-upgrade |
| 21:20.58 | karsten | !beer mentor |
| 21:21.09 | simonrvn | je rrrroule mes rrrrrs |
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| 21:21.51 | simonrvn | rotnem uoy knaht |
| 21:21.59 | werdna__ | any ideas?\ |
| 21:22.06 | jetscreamer | boo |
| 21:22.10 | karsten | eek |
| 21:22.15 | jetscreamer | wrong boo |
| 21:22.21 | simonrvn | werdna__: couple people had some. i guessed you missed them |
| 21:22.24 | fasta | Another problem I have is that during upgrades of Lisp packages, I always seem to get decoding errors. |
| 21:22.38 | werdna__ | ahh -c or -nc |
| 21:22.43 | karsten | werdna__: if you can sort out the naming conventions used, you may be able to directly specifya given file. |
| 21:22.52 | jetscreamer | man wget though werdna__ |
| 21:23.01 | jetscreamer | it should be more clear than me |
| 21:23.03 | fasta | I thought of removing the files that give errors and reinstall the offending packages. |
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| 21:27.36 | fasta | karsten: it's downloading a number of new packages that aptitude upgrade didn't download. |
| 21:27.55 | karsten | fasta: Right, that's what a dist-upgrade will typically do. |
| 21:28.41 | ma3x | does a CRT monitor have a scart plugin? |
| 21:28.45 | werdna__ | Does anyone know how to take XXXX.1.mpeg and XXXX.2.mpeg and by command combine the two together so you get a XXXX.3.mpeg which is both XXXX.1.mpeg + XXXX.2.mpeg |
| 21:28.49 | ma3x | I mean LCD monitor |
| 21:29.11 | karsten | werdna__: imagemagick and/or gimp are probably your tools of choice. |
| 21:29.16 | h3sp4wn | ma3x: usually dvi and analog vga - scart is for televisions |
| 21:29.33 | Braindead | werdna__: *if* it's an *mpeg* movie cat 1.mpeg 2.mpeg > 3.mpeg |
| 21:29.33 | karsten | werdna__: There's a composite command, and montage |
| 21:29.48 | karsten | werdna__: aptitude install imagemagick; man montage |
| 21:29.55 | ma3x | h3sp4wn, I have a decoder box. can I connect it somehow to a LCD monitor? |
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| 21:30.20 | werdna__ | karsten, these are images, but .mpegs hmm |
| 21:30.30 | Braindead | werdna__: pr0n mpegs,I suppose |
| 21:30.34 | Braindead | just cat them |
| 21:30.41 | eeyore- | ma3x: besides, SCART is a european standard. are you asking about NA ones? |
| 21:30.42 | karsten | werdna__: Ah, wups. |
| 21:30.42 | jetscreamer | werdna__: mplayer does that iirc |
| 21:30.45 | karsten | werdna__: kino? |
| 21:30.50 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 21:30.58 | jetscreamer | i thought you said jpg |
| 21:31.05 | Braindead | kino mplayer/mencoder are pure overkill for a MPEG movie |
| 21:31.07 | jetscreamer | or png |
| 21:31.10 | h3sp4wn | ma3x: Maybe - its nothing at all to do with debian though |
| 21:31.13 | karsten | werdna__: BTW, thanks. imagemagick's "montage" rocks. |
| 21:31.17 | ma3x | eeyore-, i got decoder box, but I think it has scart cable with it |
| 21:31.19 | ma3x | eee |
| 21:31.31 | ma3x | eeyore-, so I guess it can be only connected to a CRT, not to an LCD |
| 21:31.32 | jetscreamer | avidemux is a very easy to use vid editor that does that kind of stuff well |
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| 21:31.41 | jetscreamer | it's on marillat though iirc |
| 21:31.44 | eeyore- | ma3x: you mean cabletv decoder box? |
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| 21:31.49 | arisv | /usr/lib/opera/9.01-20060728.6/opera: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3: undefined symbol: jpeg_resync_to_restart |
| 21:31.51 | arisv | any ideas? :) |
| 21:31.57 | arisv | when I try to run opera |
| 21:32.06 | Braindead | arisv: get the statically compiled one |
| 21:32.14 | karsten | arisv: mismatched libraries. |
| 21:32.21 | arisv | karsten: can I fix them? |
| 21:32.32 | ma3x | eeyore-, yes |
| 21:32.35 | werdna__ | karsten, so imagemagick works with mpegs? |
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| 21:32.49 | Braindead | arisv: when you use Opera you make baby stallman's cry |
| 21:32.53 | werdna__ | Braindead, so cat does the trick? |
| 21:32.59 | karsten | werdna__: No. jpgs. |
| 21:33.00 | arisv | Braindead: lol |
| 21:33.05 | eeyore- | ma3x: *maybe* you can use SCART -> S-Video and plug the S-Video into some 20" wide panels that accept them. just a thought. |
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| 21:33.10 | jetscreamer | yeah i heard cat works |
| 21:33.17 | werdna__ | karsten, All I am getting are .mpegs |
| 21:33.24 | werdna__ | karsten, so the idea is thoughtful but for now won't work |
| 21:33.24 | jetscreamer | but there was a question about the smoothness of the join i think |
| 21:33.30 | eeyore- | ma3x: Dell makes newer LCD's that support s-video input (both 16:10 and 4:3) |
| 21:33.34 | jetscreamer | in the guy who told me aobut it's mind |
| 21:33.39 | karsten | werdna__: I know. This isn't relevant to _your_ problem but I just found a neat feature _I_ can use. |
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| 21:34.08 | werdna__ | karsten, WORD, post up your new product if you and when you make it |
| 21:34.17 | ma3x | eeyore-, don't know what's better TV LCD or just LCD? |
| 21:34.20 | jetscreamer | but the index wouldn't be correct i don't think |
| 21:34.28 | werdna__ | jetscreamer, how does cat 1.mpeg 2.mpeg >3.mpeg work>? |
| 21:34.29 | karsten | werdna__: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/montage2.jpg |
| 21:34.47 | werdna__ | karsten, that was fast |
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| 21:34.53 | karsten | werdna__: ... that's a composition of 20 static shots (planes, mostly contrails), plus the first montage I made, montaged into a second. |
| 21:34.56 | eeyore- | ma3x: it really depends. i don't think there's much difference between *many* "TV LCD" vs "computer LCD", however there are some notable exceptions |
| 21:34.56 | karsten | werdna__: :-) |
| 21:35.06 | karsten | werdna__: As I said, thanks, I just found a neat tool (for me). |
| 21:35.24 | eeyore- | ma3x: last night we saw one *cheap* winbook 32" "TV LCD" that is just absolutely CRAPPY displaying computer output (via DVI, no less!) |
| 21:35.38 | werdna__ | karsten, gotta figure out how to do mine now :) |
| 21:35.49 | karsten | werdna__: Yeah, but that's _your_ problem ;-) |
| 21:35.52 | eeyore- | ma3x: i have no idea who was at fault, the monitor, or the computer. but, the pixels were just fuzzy (yes, this is 1:1 1366x768 resolution, so no scaling there) |
| 21:35.59 | werdna__ | LOL thank you for reminding |
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| 21:36.54 | olskolirc | what is the most popular irc client for linux please? |
| 21:37.11 | karsten | !popcon |
| 21:37.11 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:37.12 | eeyore- | ma3x: on the other hand we have a 32" LCD panel (Vizio i think?) that displays plain old DB-15 VGA signals just so crisply. it's our mythtv output :-) |
| 21:37.13 | ma3x | eeyore-, what's the difference between LCD and LCD HDTV? |
| 21:37.24 | karsten | olskolirc: Personally: irssi |
| 21:37.44 | olskolirc | ok |
| 21:37.47 | eeyore- | ma3x: HDTV = resolution and encoding (mpeg2 and 720x480, 1920x1080i, ...) |
| 21:38.16 | eeyore- | ma3x: (1280x720p) |
| 21:38.20 | olskolirc | oh yes, i had irssi once. i didn't like it |
| 21:38.26 | werdna__ | karsten, |
| 21:38.27 | werdna__ | BS University of California Davis, Agricultural and Managerial Economics. |
| 21:38.27 | werdna__ | BS University of California Davis, Agricultural and Managerial Economics. <--- and you are computer geek, HAhaha nice |
| 21:38.44 | eeyore- | WerdnaServer: eh? |
| 21:38.44 | werdna__ | karsten, do you know how to hook up plants to computers yet? |
| 21:38.46 | karsten | werdna__: Yep. |
| 21:38.58 | karsten | werdna__: Believe it or not, that can be done. |
| 21:39.01 | eeyore- | werdna__: was that called for? |
| 21:39.07 | karsten | werdna__: ... typically field monitoring type stuff. |
| 21:39.24 | ma3x | eeyore-, so what does my tv decoder box actually do ? hdtv? |
| 21:39.44 | eeyore- | ma3x: how should i know? :-) look at the box spec. |
| 21:39.47 | karsten | werdna__: Got started w/ BSD Unix at UC. |
| 21:40.15 | werdna__ | karsten, right on |
| 21:40.31 | ma3x | eeyore-, it has one list of warnings about mpeg formats. could that be a hint that it is hdtv? |
| 21:40.58 | ma3x | eeyore-, its microsoft iptv |
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| 21:41.26 | eeyore- | ma3x: no idea |
| 21:41.30 | trelane | is there a guide somewhere to /etc/networking/interfaces? |
| 21:42.18 | ma3x | eeyore-, but it makes a great difference if I buy hdLCD or just a normal one, right? |
| 21:42.34 | azeem | trelane: 1. install network-manager-gnome, 2. comment out everything in /etc/networking/interfaces, 3. ...., 4. profit! |
| 21:42.47 | karsten | trelane: man 5 interfaces |
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| 21:42.50 | trelane | azeem, err, headless system, no X11, embedded router |
| 21:42.53 | trelane | karsten, thanks |
| 21:42.54 | karsten | trelane: ... and /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 21:43.04 | azeem | trelane: what karsten said ;) |
| 21:43.11 | ApEtc | ma3x: Are you looking at monitors or TVs? |
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| 21:43.20 | eeyore- | ma3x: yeah, you know what, if you can afford it, get HDTV panels |
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| 21:43.43 | eeyore- | ma3x: either way, either 16:9 (HDTV monitors) or 16:10 (wide-aspect computer panels) |
| 21:44.06 | trelane | karsten, anything similar for init? |
| 21:44.27 | karsten | trelane: /etc/inittab, man 5 inittab |
| 21:44.35 | ma3x | ApEtc, that's what I can't decide |
| 21:44.36 | eeyore- | ma3x: actually, there is another gotcha that you'll want to be aware of. it's called "HDCP". |
| 21:44.36 | karsten | trelane: Manual section 5 == file formats, typically configuration files. |
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| 21:44.59 | Derek | hello |
| 21:45.15 | ApEtc | ma3x: Well, is this going to be on your desk or on your wall in the other room? :) |
| 21:45.55 | ma3x | ApEtc, in the local shop :p |
| 21:45.56 | werdna__ | ok I need a bit of help on thinking htis one out |
| 21:46.23 | werdna__ | apparently cat 1.mpg 2.mpg > 3.mpg works and creates a 3.mpg which is both 1 and 2 added up |
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| 21:47.12 | Derek | sweet |
| 21:47.13 | werdna__ | How do I take this approach and lets say combine files 1.mpg to 9999.mpg > test.mpg . . . how would I account for all the ones in the middle with out doing this 9999 times |
| 21:47.25 | eeyore- | werdna__: as long as 1.mpg and 2.mpg are proper (e.g, they're not corrupted during download), else you lose some frames |
| 21:47.29 | karsten | werdna__: globs or seq |
| 21:47.47 | karsten | werdna__: for i in $( seq 1 999 ); do echo $i.mpg; done |
| 21:47.51 | Derek | cat *.mgp > test.mpg ? |
| 21:48.00 | karsten | Derek: Won't glob right. |
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| 21:48.07 | Derek | oh |
| 21:48.07 | eeyore- | Derek: it depends on sort order |
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| 21:48.17 | karsten | Derek: 1.mpg, 10.mpg, 100.mpg. |
| 21:48.18 | eeyore- | Derek: cat cats files in sort order |
| 21:48.31 | Derek | im just guessing |
| 21:48.55 | karsten | Derek: ... followed by 111 112. Then 199, then 2, 20, 200, 201 ... 299, then 3, 30, 300, 301-399. |
| 21:48.59 | eeyore- | Derek: so his porn will come out in different order, like the money shot will be earlier, or something like that |
| 21:49.01 | werdna__ | karsten, I don't quite understand your logic there, i'm new to this concept of programming. |
| 21:49.04 | stew | cat cats files in whatever order you put them on the command line |
| 21:49.04 | karsten | werdna__: zero-pad helpls a lot for stuff like this. |
| 21:49.05 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 21:49.08 | Derek | haha |
| 21:49.10 | jetscreamer | 0.1 fps in torcs |
| 21:49.18 | Derek | oh my |
| 21:49.21 | Derek | thats slow |
| 21:49.22 | cusco | dudes |
| 21:49.28 | karsten | werdna__: cat $( for i in $( seq 999 ); do echo $i.mpg; done ) > big.mpg |
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| 21:49.42 | karsten | werdna__: ... assuming you want to cat them all. |
| 21:49.54 | eeyore- | stew: ok ok, shell expansion, then :-) |
| 21:49.58 | cusco | I noticed I made the mistake of downloading loads of spam with fetchmail... what would be the best application to filter trough /var/mail/cusco |
| 21:50.00 | karsten | werdna__: You're using "$()" command expansion, twice, to generate your file list. |
| 21:50.22 | werdna__ | what is $()? |
| 21:50.30 | karsten | cusco: spamassassin or um, whatever the current bayesian filter is. |
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| 21:50.44 | cusco | bayesian? |
| 21:50.53 | Derek | how bout ls | xargs > test.mpg |
| 21:50.54 | karsten | cusco: bogofilter. |
| 21:51.11 | karsten | cusco: http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html |
| 21:51.12 | stew | in zsh its just "cat <0-999>.mpg > big.mpg" dunno about bash |
| 21:51.18 | eeyore- | karsten: isn't it more likely his file names will be fixed-lenght, zero-filled? |
| 21:51.32 | karsten | eeyore-: That wasn't how he specified them. |
| 21:51.37 | stew | bash can probably do it with extglob |
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| 21:51.41 | karsten | eeyore-: Yes, that would be a *better* solution, for glob. |
| 21:51.42 | eeyore- | karsten: i'm guessing he was guessing :-) |
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| 21:52.15 | Derek | ls *.mpg | xargs cat > test.mpg |
| 21:52.22 | Derek | i dunno |
| 21:53.12 | werdna__ | ok my file names are crazy |
| 21:53.17 | eeyore- | i just hate the *.000 *.001 *.002 -> ... where everything but the *.000 contains data. i hate having to delete the *.000 first before cat *.[0-9][0-9][0-9] > foo.mpg |
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| 21:53.28 | werdna__ | file names for these mpg are like this |
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| 21:53.40 | werdna__ | 960110_c3or.mpg 960114_c3or.mpg 960119_c3.mpg 960123_c3.mpg 960128_c3.mpg 960131_c2.mpg |
| 21:54.00 | Derek | haha |
| 21:54.21 | stew | eeyore-: "cat *.<001-999>.mpg > foo.mpg" in zsh :) |
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| 21:54.42 | eeyore- | stew: what's the smiley for rolling eyes? :-p |
| 21:54.47 | karsten | werdna__: military stuff? |
| 21:54.53 | eeyore- | karsten: looks like |
| 21:54.54 | werdna__ | karsten, SOHO Project |
| 21:54.58 | Derek | weird videos |
| 21:55.23 | werdna__ | Then I want to turn that into a music video |
| 21:55.24 | werdna__ | LOL |
| 21:55.30 | Derek | awesome |
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| 21:56.26 | karsten | werdna__: Best I can tell, those names should glob well. They're YYMMDD_<string>.mpg |
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| 21:56.35 | karsten | werdna__: ... which will sort by year/month/day perfectly. |
| 21:56.52 | eeyore- | yeah, they should be in order |
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| 21:57.05 | Varange | hi all |
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| 21:57.10 | Derek | hello |
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| 21:57.20 | werdna__ | hmm Does this mean cat will sort based upon YYMMDD_<string>.mpg? |
| 21:57.35 | Cooner750 | Is there a command I can run over SSH to find out how much Physical Memory (RAM) my machine hasa? |
| 21:57.35 | eeyore- | karsten: except c2 is later than c3, chronologically speaking |
| 21:57.37 | werdna__ | not quite sure what you mean by the sort method |
| 21:57.39 | Cooner750 | gas* |
| 21:57.44 | karsten | Cooner750: free |
| 21:57.47 | Cooner750 | Wow, keyboard sucks |
| 21:57.49 | eeyore- | karsten: i mean, written *later* than |
| 21:57.55 | karsten | eeyore-: Point. |
| 21:57.57 | Varange | I'm new to Debian. I want to install the PEAR packages ... more specifically, do a search for packages that are available and contain the term "pear". How please? |
| 21:58.02 | blondie | Cooner750: top |
| 21:58.08 | karsten | !tell Varange about search |
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| 21:58.18 | Varange | thx karsten |
| 21:58.22 | karsten | Varange: np |
| 21:58.24 | keith80403 | Varange, At a bash prompt, type apt-cache search pear |
| 21:58.28 | Cooner750 | Ok, Free worked. Total: 514816, What I wanted to see. |
| 21:58.33 | Varange | thanks :)) |
| 21:58.41 | Derek | can anyone recommend a good security camera software? |
| 21:58.50 | eeyore- | Derek: "motion" |
| 21:58.58 | Derek | thanks eeyore |
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| 21:59.16 | keith80403 | Varange, Then, I recommend using aptitude to install. sudo aptitude install some_pear_package_name |
| 21:59.21 | eeyore- | Derek: it's rather basic, though :-) there are more fancy ones. but, motion is fairly stable and low-requirement |
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| 21:59.39 | Derek | will it upload to a ftp server? |
| 21:59.55 | CRK-FOX | how I can shut down the system from login windows of kde |
| 22:00.02 | jetscreamer | so what do you think: i have ONE pci vid card, a tnt1. i have a box with rage2 onboard. torcs fps sucks with it. should i put the tnt in it? |
| 22:00.03 | CRK-FOX | what is the key combination?? |
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| 22:00.18 | jetscreamer | ctrl alt bckspace CRK-FOX |
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| 22:00.23 | werdna__ | eeyore-, hmmmm |
| 22:00.27 | jetscreamer | will take you to the dm |
| 22:00.27 | karsten | CRK-FOX: <ctrl><alt><f1> <ctrl><alt><del> |
| 22:00.33 | eeyore- | Derek: no. it streams data from webcam, discards any static non-changing frames. put changes into .mpg file. while it's doing this, you can point a web browser at it and watch streaming jpg |
| 22:00.35 | jetscreamer | what karsten siad though |
| 22:00.42 | Varange | ok, thanks all. Installed ;)) |
| 22:00.45 | Varange | bye |
| 22:00.52 | CRK-FOX | but Im still in LOGIN: .... |
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| 22:01.00 | CRK-FOX | how I can shut down the power |
| 22:01.04 | jetscreamer | CRK-FOX: what karsten said |
| 22:01.19 | jetscreamer | it will reboot, just turn it off after it hits the post |
| 22:01.20 | eeyore- | Derek: so i use it for babycam. i can watch the streaming jpg, and have some *.mpg files on disk for later |
| 22:01.27 | CRK-FOX | ok |
| 22:01.37 | Derek | shutdown -h now |
| 22:01.43 | karsten | CRK-FOX: shutdown can take ~30-60 seconds depending on what's running. |
| 22:01.49 | jetscreamer | or halt, but you'd have to login |
| 22:01.54 | jetscreamer | as root |
| 22:01.54 | CRK-FOX | c ya guys |
| 22:02.02 | eeyore- | hold down power button. four seconds :-) pay for it at next boot. |
| 22:02.10 | Derek | hehe |
| 22:02.11 | jetscreamer | speaking of |
| 22:02.23 | Derek | set up acpi |
| 22:02.25 | jetscreamer | how do i get the stupid 'last write time in the future' |
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| 22:02.32 | jetscreamer | get rid of |
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| 22:02.40 | werdna__ | ok |
| 22:02.40 | effraie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:02.42 | werdna__ | here is the crazy part |
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| 22:02.49 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.50 | werdna__ | the <string> = different movies |
| 22:02.52 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: find </path> -print0 | xargs -0r touch |
| 22:02.53 | mrec___ | does anyone know a way to resolve the full path of ~user? |
| 22:02.54 | karsten | jetscreamer: On what? |
| 22:03.03 | CRK-FOX | c ya guys |
| 22:03.06 | Derek | cya |
| 22:03.08 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: that's the lazy man's approach |
| 22:03.09 | CRK-FOX | was a pleasure for me |
| 22:03.18 | CRK-FOX | c ya later |
| 22:03.20 | jetscreamer | karsten: fsck reports it on reboots... etch, multiple systems, all fresh installs |
| 22:03.21 | karsten | werdna__: What? And deny us the pleasure of taunting you? |
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| 22:03.36 | jetscreamer | thanks eeyore- |
| 22:03.38 | karsten | jetscreamer: Dying system CMOS clock battery? |
| 22:03.38 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: right, that's because your clock was off when you installed it |
| 22:03.55 | eeyore- | karsten: nah, probably something like clock was off, then install, then ran NTP, then get complaint |
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| 22:04.10 | eeyore- | karsten: or, system was windows, then install linux, choose "system clock is UTC", get complaint :-) |
| 22:04.32 | jetscreamer | it comes back though after fsck says it fixes it, and reboots the system (with /forcefsck) |
| 22:05.03 | jetscreamer | karsten: yeah they're all mostly old boxes |
| 22:05.23 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: here, run "ntpdate" to set correct time, then "find / -print0 | xargs -0r touch", and sit back and wait |
| 22:05.54 | jetscreamer | k |
| 22:05.58 | cusco | thanks karsten |
| 22:06.07 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: that'll set time on all files to "now", though :-) hope you like that |
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| 22:06.15 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 22:07.25 | jetscreamer | what's the non-lazy way |
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| 22:07.43 | jetscreamer | jsut out of curiosity |
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| 22:08.18 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: the non-lazy way? ntpdate, use "find" to find files with time in the future, and only touch those files |
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| 22:08.33 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 22:08.35 | jetscreamer | thankee |
| 22:08.41 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: as opposed to touching *everything* |
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| 22:10.14 | nemontemi | the problem with fsck looks like to me as the last change in the ext filesystem table, not the files itself... |
| 22:10.23 | nemontemi | themselves* |
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| 22:12.05 | eldowan | I burned a debian iso to cd, and used `dd if=/dev/scd0 of=deb.iso` on another machine. The two md5sums do not match. Is this normal? |
| 22:12.07 | fasta | karsten: still there? |
| 22:14.18 | karsten | fasta: Yep. |
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| 22:14.49 | fasta | karsten: upgrade gave an error in an apache2 package, I am now dist-upgrading again |
| 22:15.16 | eeyore- | eldowan: are the *.iso files the same sizes? |
| 22:15.27 | fasta | karsten: upgrade meaning the dist-upgrade |
| 22:17.28 | jetscreamer | gah... gee nobody seems to review tnt1's anymore, much less tnt vs rage.... |
| 22:17.53 | jetscreamer | the rage onboard is agp...... gjdjaslfsdff |
| 22:18.09 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: temporal anomaly detected! |
| 22:18.17 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 22:18.47 | jetscreamer | guess i'll just have to find out the hard way... |
| 22:18.56 | jetscreamer | do my own review |
| 22:19.07 | Derek | both of those prolly wont play torcs very good |
| 22:19.09 | fasta | karsten: that's pretty sweet: it seems to work. Good heuristic |
| 22:19.13 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: come on dude, even the onboard geforce 6150 blow those away |
| 22:19.25 | jetscreamer | it's not that i want torcs, i just want the better card in there |
| 22:19.40 | Derek | get a radeon 9200 |
| 22:19.45 | Derek | there cheap |
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| 22:19.56 | ruben | Hi, what is the way to use an A entry for domain.com not www.domain.com using BIND? |
| 22:19.56 | jetscreamer | no this is a spare parts box |
| 22:20.15 | jetscreamer | and it doesn't have an agp slot anyway |
| 22:20.16 | eldowan | eeyore-: no. I was told that dd might have zero padded the iso file. I'm looking for that now. |
| 22:20.30 | Derek | you can get the pci onje |
| 22:20.48 | eeyore- | eldowan: right, that's why i asked about the sizes :-) |
| 22:21.06 | jetscreamer | i have a couple agp's laying around... just the one pci though |
| 22:21.11 | valdyn | ruben: ask your dns provider to delegate authority over domain.com |
| 22:21.30 | jetscreamer | spare parts only, no purchasing for the deprecated box! |
| 22:21.45 | ruben | valdyn: I have my own DNS, bind9 |
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| 22:22.06 | valdyn | ruben: that doesnt help that issue as long as you are not authorative over domain.com |
| 22:22.12 | jetscreamer | course i could just not care... i think that's the best plan |
| 22:22.20 | valdyn | ruben: queries wont even reach your dns server |
| 22:22.55 | valdyn | ruben: beside that, an A record for domain.com looks just like one for www.domain.com ( except for the www. ) |
| 22:23.02 | eeyore- | ruben: is this for internal domain or for legitimate internet domain (and if so, is your DNS the "authoritative" name server for the domain?) |
| 22:23.28 | eeyore- | (or just use "@") |
| 22:24.59 | Fluten | are there any programs for linux that emulate a ti-83's graph and table functions? |
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| 22:25.21 | dondelelcaro | Fluten: there are programs which are far superior to them. |
| 22:25.47 | Fluten | dondelelcaro, i am using gnuplot right now, but its hard to figure out |
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| 22:26.04 | eldowan | eeyore-: Thanks for that. :D |
| 22:26.41 | craigevil | Fluten you might want to look at > TIemu emulates Texas Instruments calculators TI-92/92+/89. |
| 22:27.06 | dondelelcaro | Fluten: well, most of the really powerful programs are a bit complex. [R being one of the most powerful, which is also its own language.] |
| 22:27.19 | fasta | When I even run make-kpkg clean, make-kpkg claims there are error in some .mk file. I reported the error using reportbug, but apparently it never arrived in the BTS... |
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| 22:28.23 | Fluten | i just need something simple right now to use for a high school math class |
| 22:28.32 | Fluten | ill play around with the others when i get time :) |
| 22:28.39 | Fluten | gnuplot and scilab look like fun |
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| 22:29.01 | dondelelcaro | Fluten: there's also maxima, graphmonkey, and a few others. |
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| 22:32.11 | stranger_stone | Someone knwos some good way to download the vids from youtube? |
| 22:33.56 | stranger_stone | i can`t understand why they are bloking this when the the stuff they got is free for use send from the others users but it isok ... |
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| 22:35.20 | craigevil | stranger_stone take a look at http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=37509 |
| 22:35.41 | craigevil | there are also a couple different firefox extensions that will let you download youtube vids |
| 22:35.42 | simonrvn | woohoo: 1160000000 |
| 22:35.47 | Derek | I hate all those flash video players,audio and video is always off sync |
| 22:35.47 | stranger_stone | i was try some bash scripts :\ |
| 22:35.53 | simonrvn | 2006-10-04 18:13:20 -0400 |
| 22:36.05 | werdna__ | how do I convert hex into letters? |
| 22:36.33 | stranger_stone | craigevil yes i try one firefox but give me some error to install :\ |
| 22:36.35 | pickcoder | werdna__: ??? |
| 22:36.48 | simonrvn | um, it depends whether or not they actually are 'letters' ... |
| 22:36.51 | craigevil | the extension gave an install error? |
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| 22:37.32 | werdna__ | 011000010111001101100011011010010110100100100000011101000110111100100000011000100110100101101110011000010111001001111001 |
| 22:37.40 | werdna__ | what does that mean? |
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| 22:38.09 | werdna__ | so convert binary into acssi |
| 22:38.12 | werdna__ | so convert binary into acsii |
| 22:38.17 | werdna__ | how do I do that? |
| 22:39.00 | eeyore- | werdna__: could be 1-bit pixels :-) |
| 22:39.09 | Fluten | dondelelcaro, do you know how i can have the x values in gnuplot only be integers when using the table mode? |
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| 22:39.14 | eeyore- | werdna__: could be a lot of things |
| 22:39.31 | stew | heh, v|p3r's quit message was somewhat apropos |
| 22:39.45 | Fluten | dondelelcaro, or do you know of any good guides for beginners? |
| 22:39.46 | dondelelcaro | Fluten: I don't use gnuplot; if you want to know what the corresponding y values are, it should be easy just to plug them in. |
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| 22:40.05 | Fluten | dondelelcaro, what do you use? |
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| 22:40.16 | dondelelcaro | Fluten: R. |
| 22:40.39 | Fluten | dondelelcaro, what is it's website? |
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| 22:41.09 | Fluten | nevermind, i tried googling it |
| 22:41.18 | Fluten | didn't think that i could just type one letter in google =) |
| 22:41.24 | dondelelcaro | http://archimedes.ucr.edu/ss/ss_20040715_181349.png is an example... |
| 22:41.40 | vanquish | hey guys, is there a way to find out what distrobution i'm running? (other than looking at apt.conf) |
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| 22:41.52 | fasta | How do I get the experimental version of kernel-package? |
| 22:41.59 | dondelelcaro | vanquish: check /etc/debian_version; run apt-cache polciy; |
| 22:42.08 | vanquish | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
| 22:42.11 | werdna__ | eeyore-, hmmm |
| 22:42.12 | dondelelcaro | fasta: it's in experimental; you add an experimental line and install it. |
| 22:42.25 | werdna__ | eeyore-, how do you find out if that binary is a pixel or a sentence? |
| 22:42.32 | dondelelcaro | fasta: generally if you don't know how to do that though, you should stay away from experimental. |
| 22:42.33 | fasta | I already added an experimental line to sources.list;apt-get update;apt-get install -t experimental kernel-package |
| 22:42.42 | Fluten | dondelelcaro, do you like Shpongle? |
| 22:42.43 | eldowan | eeyore-: It ended up being a zero padded iso file(xxd on the file). Thanks again. |
| 22:42.48 | fasta | dondelelcaro: The point is that I generally do know how to do it. |
| 22:42.56 | dondelelcaro | Fluten: some of their stuff is good |
| 22:43.10 | dondelelcaro | fasta: there currently isn't a version of kernel-package in experimental. |
| 22:43.29 | dondelelcaro | Fluten: that screenshot is from 2004... |
| 22:43.34 | fasta | dondelelcaro: odd, since that guy said he uploaded a fix to "experimental". |
| 22:44.02 | dondelelcaro | fasta: yeah, but that bug was fixed in 10.011; it's now upto 10.6 something or other. |
| 22:44.07 | dondelelcaro | !+info kernel-package |
| 22:44.09 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:44.11 | fasta | dondelelcaro: nm, it seems that the bug has been reintroduced. |
| 22:44.13 | dpkg | kernel-package: (A utility for building Linux kernel related Debian packages.), section misc, is optional. Version: 10.062 (sid), Packaged size: 482 kB, Installed size: 3200 kB |
| 22:44.33 | dondelelcaro | fasta: file a new bug if you see it again, ideally with more information. |
| 22:44.53 | dondelelcaro | Manoj is pretty good about fixing those if you give enough information. |
| 22:45.01 | fasta | dondelelcaro: the annoying thing is that I already did, but apparently the message never arrived. |
| 22:45.07 | h3sp4wn | Fluten: his earlier (Hallucinogen) stuff is better |
| 22:45.12 | dondelelcaro | fasta: yeah, sometimes messages can be eaten |
| 22:45.52 | fasta | dondelelcaro: what variable does reportbug use again for the editor? $EDITOR? |
| 22:46.28 | dondelelcaro | fasta: it just forks of sensible-editor |
| 22:46.37 | dondelelcaro | fasta: man sensible-editor; for details. |
| 22:47.15 | fasta | dondelelcaro: I get this message: Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*" |
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| 22:47.28 | dondelelcaro | hrm... that's strange |
| 22:47.54 | dondelelcaro | fasta: well, you can always compose the mail manually... it's pretty simple. |
| 22:47.57 | fasta | dondelelcaro: Honestly, I think I fucked up that myself some time ago. |
| 22:48.13 | dondelelcaro | fasta: see bugs.debian.org for documentation on how to do so |
| 22:48.42 | fasta | dondelelcaro: I'd rather first reinstall that edit mailcap package. Do you know by heart what it is? |
| 22:49.35 | eeyore- | werdna__: in decimal, those binary numbers (in 8-bit chunks) are 97 115 99 105 105 32 116 111 32 98 105 110 97 114 121 |
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| 22:49.59 | dondelelcaro | fasta: that's most likely not the issue... /etc/mailcap is dealt with by update-mime, though. |
| 22:50.05 | werdna__ | eeyore-, how did you figure that out though? |
| 22:50.13 | fasta | dondelelcaro: I know, I already reran that program. |
| 22:50.21 | eeyore- | cat foo | while read n; do ( echo "obase=10"; echo "ibase=2"; echo $n ) | bc ; done |
| 22:50.23 | fasta | dondelelcaro: didn't help |
| 22:50.56 | eeyore- | werdna__: foo = file containing lines of 8 bits each, from your list above |
| 22:52.06 | stranger_stone | craigevil you shure this is working? |
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| 22:54.08 | pickcoder | eeyore-: that's provided the hex/binary is not non-ASCII encoded |
| 22:54.44 | pickcoder | BCD is fun |
| 22:55.03 | shadow98 | i downloaded iptables source and when i do a tar xzvf tar xzvf iptables.tar.tar it says tar: bzip2: cannot exec: no such file or directory |
| 22:55.28 | eldowan | shadow98: try tar -jxvf |
| 22:55.36 | eeyore- | pickcoder: right, or shifted by x number of bits :-) |
| 22:56.21 | fasta | dondelelcaro: If the email sending went wrong, I should get an error about that from sendmail, right? |
| 22:56.29 | shadow98 | still getting same thing |
| 22:56.42 | eldowan | shadow98: where did you get the sources from? |
| 22:56.53 | dondelelcaro | fasta: in theory, but it's possible that it was rejected somewhere laong the line. |
| 22:57.02 | pickcoder | shadow98: which bzip2 |
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| 22:57.08 | stranger_stone | aleluia |
| 22:57.19 | eldowan | shadow98: Was this a typo? `tar xzvf tar xzvf iptables.tar.tar` |
| 22:57.35 | shadow98 | this is link http://www.netfilter.org/files/iptables-1.3.1.tar.bz2 |
| 22:57.43 | shadow98 | yes it was |
| 22:57.44 | eeyore- | werdna__: a s c i i <space> t o <space> b i n a r y :-) nice one |
| 22:57.52 | shadow98 | im redownloading with wget |
| 22:58.06 | shadow98 | instead of downloading from windows and then copying it over with winscp |
| 22:58.09 | shadow98 | let me see what i get there |
| 22:58.14 | eeyore- | werdna__: that's what 011000010111001101100011011010010110100100100000011101000110111100100000011000100110100101101110011000010111001001111001 is in ASCII |
| 22:58.15 | pickcoder | shadow98: apt-get install bzip2 |
| 22:58.33 | werdna__ | eeyore-, hehehe, now how did you figure that out? |
| 22:58.41 | eeyore- | werdna__: look at ASCII chart? |
| 22:58.45 | shadow98 | still getting same things |
| 22:58.46 | eldowan | shadow98: wget http://www.netfilter.org/files/iptables-1.3.1.tar.bz2; tar -jxvf iptables-1.3.1.tar.bz2 |
| 22:58.55 | eldowan | This worked on my system |
| 22:58.56 | werdna__ | eeyore-, is there a program to convert binary to ascii? |
| 22:59.00 | shadow98 | tar -jxvf iptables-1.3.1.tar.bz2 |
| 22:59.00 | shadow98 | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 22:59.03 | eldowan | deb etch here |
| 22:59.07 | pickcoder | shadow98: apt-get install bzip2 |
| 22:59.09 | eeyore- | werdna__: probably, od? |
| 22:59.20 | eldowan | shadow98: ^^pickoder^^ |
| 22:59.39 | werdna__ | eeyore-, see my friend keeps talking to me in binary code and I don't understand at all, so I need a converter |
| 22:59.43 | eldowan | s/kod/kcod/ |
| 22:59.44 | shadow98 | that worked |
| 22:59.47 | shadow98 | thanks |
| 22:59.56 | oxyride | hahaha |
| 23:00.06 | eeyore- | werdna__: weird friends |
| 23:00.30 | Kurtism | !sid |
| 23:00.31 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 23:00.34 | oxyride | was he a robot? |
| 23:00.43 | shadow98 | im trying to setup snort-inline |
| 23:00.53 | pickcoder | werdna__: write one in Perl |
| 23:01.03 | Kurtism | !unstable |
| 23:01.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 23:01.14 | Kurtism | hmmmm |
| 23:01.41 | Kurtism | is there a sid iso? |
| 23:01.54 | werdna__ | eeyore-, od? |
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| 23:02.10 | Kurtism | when I get the latest ISOs from the website and install them the source.list always says etch rather than sid or unstable |
| 23:02.32 | h3sp4wn | Kurtism: read the sid faq |
| 23:02.34 | eeyore- | werdna__: you might want to use "od" and other things to quickly convert binary strings to ascii |
| 23:02.41 | Kurtism | !sid faq |
| 23:02.41 | dpkg | hmm... sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 23:03.16 | werdna__ | eeyore-, thank you |
| 23:03.16 | Kurtism | How do I install sid? |
| 23:03.16 | Kurtism | The canonical answer is: You don't. You can only upgrade to it from stable or testing. You do that by editing /etc/apt/sources.list and changing your sources from stable to unstable. |
| 23:04.12 | ttick | which dpkg-reconfigure do I use to configure from dhcp to static ip? |
| 23:04.21 | ttick | dpkg-reconfigure network? |
| 23:04.28 | ttick | that doesn't seem to work |
| 23:04.36 | Kurtism | just edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:04.48 | ttick | hmm, okay, I can try that. |
| 23:04.49 | h3sp4wn | ttick: man interfaces |
| 23:04.50 | Kurtism | change the eth0 from static to dhcp |
| 23:05.10 | Kurtism | I'm not sure what the method of bringing up the text gui wizard is though |
| 23:05.17 | eeyore- | "if you can't code your way out of wet paper towel, forget sid" |
| 23:05.34 | ttick | okay, and where do I set teh IP address? |
| 23:05.49 | Kurtism | lemme past my interfaces for you |
| 23:06.06 | eeyore- | sounds kinky |
| 23:06.51 | pickcoder | ttick: man interfaces |
| 23:07.51 | ttick | Kurtism: thanks |
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| 23:08.46 | Kurtism | I just spoon feed |
| 23:08.57 | Kurtism | that's all I want and that's all I do |
| 23:09.23 | tuv | Kurtism, you'll get fat.. and get other people fat too :) |
| 23:09.44 | Kurtism | that's how I like my women |
| 23:10.06 | psychonate | strange that rtorrent seems to crash on me everytime I finish a torrent, and then some :( |
| 23:10.07 | marek | how do i upgrade my system but hold back a select package? |
| 23:10.32 | tuv | marek, apt-pinning |
| 23:10.34 | Kurtism | I've never downloaded a torrent in linux... I should try that one of these days. |
| 23:10.59 | Kurtism | I only use linux from server stuff though |
| 23:11.02 | marek | what does apt-pinning do? |
| 23:11.15 | psychonate | Kurtism, works well... normally |
| 23:11.16 | Kurtism | tv box, email server, web server |
| 23:11.25 | psychonate | bah, doesn't azureus use java? |
| 23:11.26 | Kurtism | I only ever use a consol in linux too |
| 23:11.32 | marek | yesh it uses java |
| 23:11.36 | psychonate | Kurtism, then rtorrent is for you. |
| 23:11.54 | psychonate | It was enjoying it rather much, until of late when I started having this issue |
| 23:12.01 | h3sp4wn | marek: echo packagname hold | dpkg --set-selections |
| 23:12.02 | psychonate | s/It/I |
| 23:12.14 | h3sp4wn | marek: echo packagename install | dpkg --set-selections (to unset it) |
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| 23:12.51 | marek | okay kewl |
| 23:13.27 | tuv | marek, if you want to hold a package to a particular version, what h3sp4wn said. if you want to hold it to distribution, e.g. stable, then apt-pinning |
| 23:13.43 | tuv | marek, to track a distribution |
| 23:14.05 | marek | oh ic |
| 23:14.17 | marek | but yeah i wanted to hold it to a particular version |
| 23:14.21 | marek | thanks :] |
| 23:14.26 | tuv | np |
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| 23:24.55 | eldowan | Has anyone experienced any problems with quanta on etch? over the last few weeks quanta has been reaping havock on my system. Hard locks. |
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| 23:29.47 | Celeste | hi |
| 23:30.04 | Celeste | how can I find out the last date when a file has been edited please? |
| 23:30.08 | Celeste | in the shell |
| 23:30.22 | marek | ls -al? |
| 23:30.42 | marek | or just ls -l works |
| 23:30.51 | Celeste | -rw-r--r-- 1 user user 11768 2006-10-02 08:17 data.php |
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| 23:31.11 | Celeste | so it has been edited on the 2nd of october? |
| 23:31.17 | eldowan | Celeste: stat <file> |
| 23:31.49 | marek | yep |
| 23:31.53 | Celeste | thank you eldowan |
| 23:31.55 | Celeste | thank you mar |
| 23:32.00 | Celeste | thank you marek :) |
| 23:32.27 | marek | werd |
| 23:32.32 | Celeste | werd? |
| 23:32.39 | marek | man ls might give u some more kewl things that may be helpful |
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| 23:33.10 | Celeste | I will read the man page |
| 23:33.15 | Celeste | thank you for the tip |
| 23:33.47 | jeff_ | Thunderbird i seating mails after I read them in my inbox even though I have my subscriptions set to inbox. I can't find any settings that seem to help. Any ideas? |
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| 23:33.51 | eldowan | Celeste: No problem |
| 23:34.21 | eldowan | jeff_: Please rephrase your problem. I don't understand your troubles |
| 23:34.53 | jeff_ | eldowan: In thunderbird, I select a message to read it in my inbox. After selecting another folder, the message disappears. |
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| 23:35.25 | jeff_ | eldowan: This is very frustrating as some email threads here at work get fairly large and so it's important to me. If you could help, that would be great |
| 23:35.48 | azeem | jeff_: it probably moves them into a `read' folder |
| 23:36.17 | eldowan | jeff_: View->message->all |
| 23:36.26 | eldowan | jeff_: You probably have it set to view only new messages |
| 23:36.39 | jeff_ | eldowan: That was the very first thing I did :) |
| 23:36.52 | marek | lameeee |
| 23:37.02 | marek | how do i update my kernel from 2.6.17 to 2.6.18? |
| 23:37.21 | marek | actually |
| 23:37.22 | eldowan | aptitude install <kernel> |
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| 23:37.23 | azeem | marek: wait till it hits testing |
| 23:37.30 | marek | i just want to downlaod my kernel headers |
| 23:37.36 | ofer0 | marek, why do you think you need 2.6.18 ? |
| 23:37.58 | marek | well i just wanted to dl linux-headers-2.6.17-1-686 |
| 23:38.02 | marek | but they arent in my repositories |
| 23:38.02 | jeff_ | eldowan: And thats what stumped me because the messages just started disappearing. There are about 15 filters I set up based on sender or subject |
| 23:38.04 | marek | or on debian.org |
| 23:38.10 | marek | anyone know how i can get that? |
| 23:38.42 | eldowan | jeff_: hmmm that sounds crazy. have you checked to see if the mails still exist? in the thunderbird data files... |
| 23:39.05 | stew | marek: you should upgrade to 2.6.17-2, and get those headers |
| 23:39.12 | marek | okay |
| 23:39.15 | pyxel | wow hilight for marek ! :) |
| 23:39.15 | marek | how do i upgrade? |
| 23:39.28 | karsten | marek: man aptitude |
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| 23:39.37 | marek | i mean should i just aptitude upgrade? |
| 23:39.38 | stew | marek: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 23:39.38 | marek | and it will go? |
| 23:39.40 | marek | or wut |
| 23:39.51 | karsten | !upgrade kernel |
| 23:39.51 | dpkg | ask me about <sarge upgrade kernel> <etch upgrade kernel> or <sid upgrade kernel> |
| 23:39.53 | marek | stew, 'm usig unstable |
| 23:39.54 | stew | marek: no, aptitude upgrade wouldn't install a new pacakge |
| 23:40.03 | jeff_ | eldowan: That is what I am in the process of doing under ~/.mozilla-thunderbird right now |
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| 23:40.31 | eldowan | jeff_: pop? imap? |
| 23:40.34 | stew | marek: then you won't find 2.6.17, but 2.7.18 |
| 23:40.43 | stew | err 2.6.18-1 |
| 23:40.44 | ChrisW | anyone know where postgres puts it data files by default on debian? |
| 23:40.58 | marek | stew, so i need to upgrade to 2.6.18? |
| 23:41.10 | karsten | ChrisW: /var/lib/postgres* IIRC. |
| 23:41.18 | ChrisW | data files? |
| 23:41.29 | jeff_ | eldowan: The files are there and it is imap |
| 23:41.41 | stew | marek: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:41.51 | ChrisW | seems an odd place to [ut 'em, but sure enough, there they are... |
| 23:41.53 | eldowan | jeff_: Great! at least you havent lost any data. |
| 23:41.58 | jeff_ | wc -l INBOX |
| 23:41.58 | jeff_ | 17138 INBOX |
| 23:42.02 | karsten | ChrisW: dpkg -L postgresql-<version> |
| 23:42.15 | jeff_ | But it shows me 3 small messages in my inbox. |
| 23:42.21 | karsten | ChrisW: /var is for variable data, lib for package-specific stuff. |
| 23:42.36 | karsten | jeff_: do htey have mime attachements? |
| 23:42.38 | jeff_ | eldowan: Yes, that is good, but evolution doesn't handle 10k + messages. |
| 23:42.40 | karsten | jeff_: eg: html email? |
| 23:42.51 | marek | stew, i dont know if your familar with emstar but i need to have my linux-headers for it to work right, and there are no linux-headers-2.6.17-1-686 for me to download |
| 23:42.52 | ChrisW | fair enough, thanks! |
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| 23:42.54 | jeff_ | karsten: A good majority of them are html, but not all of them |
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| 23:43.00 | eldowan | jeff_: you might try creating another account without any filters... |
| 23:43.22 | marek | stew, so i figured i'd probably have to update my kernel and then download those headers |
| 23:43.53 | eldowan | jeff_: In your .mozilla-thunderbird/asdfaas.default/ImapMail/<account>/INBOX? |
| 23:43.57 | jeff_ | karsten: Lots of nagios emails and plain text stuff |
| 23:44.06 | stew | marek: you can get 2.6.17-2 and headers from testing, you can get 2.6.18-1 + headers from unstable |
| 23:51.05 | jeff_ | eldowan: Correct. I'll try creating a new account with no filters, good idea |
| 23:51.06 | marek | stew, do i need to have kernel 2.6.18-1 to use those headers? |
| 23:51.06 | eldowan | jeff_: also, you might check your web client if possible. just to make sure |
| 23:51.06 | jeff_ | eldowan: Another good idea |
| 23:51.06 | stew | marek: you need to have headers that match your exact kenrel version if you hope to compile modules for it |
| 23:51.06 | azeem | m-a helps you in that |
| 23:51.06 | eldowan | jeff_: What was that about evolution? |
| 23:51.07 | marek | okay |
| 23:51.07 | jeff_ | eldowan: It is slow as a pig and just hung |
| 23:51.07 | magyar | openoffice 64bit port, nice |
| 23:51.07 | jeff_ | eldowan: Thunderbird is very fast and snappy. |
| 23:51.07 | magyar | and buggy |
| 23:51.08 | eldowan | jeff_: Ah. I was curious, because I don't remember mentioning evolution. |
| 23:51.08 | magyar | on windows that is |
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| 23:51.08 | eldowan | jeff_: for that matter, I havent even been able to get evolution to work at all. imap or pop... :( although I'm happy with thunderbird |
| 23:51.08 | jeff_ | eldowan: it is hideous and I even *wanted* to like it |
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| 23:51.10 | evilbulgarian | hi, anyone know where i can find the beta local copy of the jotspot wiki |
| 23:51.10 | magyar | ping abrotman |
| 23:53.42 | sussudio | %ping magyar |
| 23:54.24 | magyar | bahh |
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| 23:57.42 | xNinja | hi |
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| 23:58.04 | xNinja | when i do: date;who its the same as: date&who , whats the different between them ?? |
| 23:58.33 | nevyn | if date fails for some reason.. who won't run in the second case but will in the first |
| 23:58.41 | nevyn | and I think you mean date && who right? |
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| 23:59.25 | nevyn | hrm |
| 23:59.27 | nevyn | actually |
| 23:59.27 | xNinja | no |
| 23:59.38 | nevyn | date & foo backgrounds date... and then runs foo |
| 23:59.58 | xNinja | if i use && it will stop when the first command is terminated |
