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| 00:00.08 | xNinja | but the & wont stop if the first command terminated |
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| 00:00.12 | nevyn | right. |
| 00:00.17 | nevyn | cause it's backgrounded |
| 00:00.26 | xNinja | yeah but there must be something different |
| 00:00.26 | nevyn | I was half asleep |
| 00:00.32 | nevyn | xNinja: ? |
| 00:00.34 | xNinja | background or something like that |
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| 00:00.55 | xNinja | ? |
| 00:00.57 | nevyn | date & backgrounds the task so that the shell becomes immediately availible for another command |
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| 00:01.11 | nevyn | so if both processes took say 5seconds to run |
| 00:01.35 | nevyn | and you had a multiprocessing system (smc, smp smt) and there was nothing else happening |
| 00:01.46 | nevyn | date & who should complete in 5 seconds |
| 00:01.50 | nevyn | where date; who would take 10 |
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| 00:02.22 | chron | how do you get into a terminal in debian netinstall? |
| 00:02.30 | nevyn | chron: alt -F2 |
| 00:02.37 | chron | yea, it aint workin |
| 00:02.38 | beardy | chron: alt-F2 |
| 00:02.43 | nevyn | hrm |
| 00:02.57 | nevyn | are you using the gui installer or the console one? |
| 00:03.00 | chron | ah didn't even notice my keyboard doens't even work |
| 00:03.01 | beardy | chron: alt-F3 then? |
| 00:03.03 | chron | damn |
| 00:03.06 | nevyn | try ctrl-alt-F2 |
| 00:03.09 | eldowan | jeff_: How goes the thunderbird? |
| 00:03.10 | beardy | There are no gui installer. |
| 00:03.12 | nevyn | ah that will be an impediment |
| 00:03.21 | xNinja | humm so & will run the first command in the background and wait the second command to finish and it will print the results both together when the last command did finish. right ? |
| 00:03.25 | nevyn | beardy: umm yes there is.. |
| 00:03.33 | nevyn | xNinja: no.. |
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| 00:03.54 | nevyn | the order the results are displayed depends on the execution time of each process |
| 00:04.10 | beardy | nevyn: Where? And you better come up with an official one, because that's what I mean. |
| 00:04.14 | eldowan | beardy: there is a gui installer. :) |
| 00:04.23 | jeff_ | eldowan: After killing ~/.mozilla-thunderbird, all is well. So basicly no love |
| 00:04.24 | jeff_ | Thanks |
| 00:04.34 | nevyn | beardy: for etch |
| 00:04.40 | eldowan | beardy: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/11/17/1825228 |
| 00:05.14 | eldowan | beardy: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/GUI |
| 00:05.29 | eldowan | beardy: Hope that official enough for you :D |
| 00:05.49 | beardy | When did he say he was installing etch? |
| 00:06.17 | eldowan | you didn't say anything branch specific. [19:03] <beardy> There are no gui installer. |
| 00:06.24 | azeem | beardy: where did he say he was installing sarge? |
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| 00:07.11 | eldowan | jeff_: glad to help. |
| 00:07.20 | beardy | azeem: I default to the current stable when someone is asking something, especially if I think the questioner, by asking the question should be running it. |
| 00:08.01 | azeem | beardy: sure, but that doesn't make your statement hold in general |
| 00:08.04 | azeem | anyway. |
| 00:08.10 | beardy | eldowan: I didn't know about it. Ok. |
| 00:08.15 | beardy | azeem: It doesn't? |
| 00:08.37 | beardy | azeem: So we should always assume people are running ubuntu instead? |
| 00:08.56 | azeem | beardy: no, but we should assume people /might/ run/install testing |
| 00:09.02 | ahlfors | I've heard that mounting tmpfs on /tmp could improve performance. Is this a good idea? |
| 00:09.03 | beardy | azeem: You do as you please, and I do as I please. |
| 00:10.38 | eldowan | beardy: didn't mean to come across like an ass. |
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| 00:10.47 | beardy | eldowan: No problem. |
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| 00:13.29 | Lagos | It's not my intent to start a distro war, but merely curiosity. Been using OS X exclusively for a while now, but I used to be a primary Linux user. At work, I have received a 64bit nice new box. Unfortunately, it has RedHat. I want to replace RedHat with either Gentoo (which was my old favorite Distro) or Debian. I'm curious as to why you choose to use Debian instead of another distro, especially Gentoo. |
| 00:14.26 | nvz | Lagos: http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 00:15.17 | Lagos | I'm familiar with the FSF reasoning. I was curious for anything else. Why people prefer portage over aptget, etc. |
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| 00:15.36 | h3sp4wn | Lagos: Do really want to spend all the time you should be working messing around compiling stuff ? |
| 00:15.38 | Lagos | Er, strike that. Reverse it. But thanks for the lists. |
| 00:15.46 | Guerin | Lagos: portage has USE flags. apt-get has policy. |
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| 00:16.16 | Guerin | Lagos: in a nutshell, portage requires a lot of micromanagement, apt requires virtually none (unless you use unstable, in which case it requires a little bit) |
| 00:16.20 | nevyn | I think it comes down to what you're used to.. debian leads to a very consistant sywstem.. |
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| 00:16.27 | Guerin | yeah |
| 00:16.35 | Guerin | while gentoo leads to a very customised system |
| 00:16.40 | Lagos | Well, in some ways, yes, h3sp4wn. When I was on a Mac running Linux, it was very very useful. I don't know how much of an issue that might be with 64 bit Intel. |
| 00:16.47 | nevyn | where gentoo in my opinion requires much more getting into the head of the previous sysadmin.. |
| 00:16.51 | karsten | Lagos: Also: http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/WhyDebianRocks and http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/linux-new.html |
| 00:16.57 | parisnet | Hello al |
| 00:17.07 | parisnet | This is a Offical Debian ChanneL ? |
| 00:17.08 | Guerin | al: no such nick/channel |
| 00:17.14 | azeem | parisnet: yes |
| 00:17.15 | parisnet | sorry all |
| 00:17.20 | nevyn | parisnet: no. |
| 00:17.21 | Guerin | parisnet: no, oftc.org #debian is |
| 00:17.25 | parisnet | ok |
| 00:17.28 | nevyn | oftc.org #debian is official |
| 00:17.30 | parisnet | thanks |
| 00:17.31 | Guerin | azeem: oh, it is? |
| 00:17.32 | nevyn | azeem: bad. |
| 00:17.37 | ahlfors | Half of the time I look into this channel it has degenerated into a debian vs everyone discussion |
| 00:17.43 | nevyn | heh |
| 00:17.43 | azeem | nevyn: huh? |
| 00:17.44 | karsten | parisnet: Close enough. OFTC is the official one. |
| 00:17.46 | Guerin | i thought it changed; or was that just the dns pointer? |
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| 00:17.53 | azeem | they are both official, in some way |
| 00:17.53 | Lagos | What do you mean by 'a very consistent system?' My fault, Ahl, I asked. And no, it isn't. |
| 00:18.07 | Guerin | ahlfors: normally it's vi vs emacs |
| 00:18.12 | dondelelcaro | there's really not an offical one; they're both offical in the sense that DDs are +o on both. |
| 00:18.14 | eldowan | azeem: debian.org points to oftc. |
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| 00:18.24 | eldowan | thats my reasoning |
| 00:18.26 | nevyn | Lagos: I mean I can walk to any system running debian sit down and be making significant changes in a very short period of time |
| 00:18.29 | azeem | anyway, this channel is official for the purpose of what parisnet asked |
| 00:18.31 | Guerin | Lagos: all debian systems of the same age are the same, and are configured the same by default. It's prediuctable. |
| 00:18.37 | ahlfors | Guerin, I don't see why anyone would challenge the superiority of emacs. I mean, come on. :) |
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| 00:18.44 | parisnet | [21:17] * Connecting to oftc.org (6667) |
| 00:18.44 | parisnet | - |
| 00:18.44 | parisnet | [21:18] * Unable to connect to server (Connection timed out) |
| 00:18.46 | dondelelcaro | beardy: that's a channel vs. network issue. |
| 00:18.54 | Guerin | ahlfors: well, personally I agree, but vidiots need to think they're important too. |
| 00:18.55 | kjdis | Can someone tell me how to mount a USB flash drive? I see the dmesg output but I don't know how to get the /dev/sd* |
| 00:18.59 | dondelelcaro | parisnet: it's irc.oftc.net or irc.debian.org. |
| 00:19.00 | Lagos | I see. You mean intersystem consistency. |
| 00:19.12 | eldowan | parisnet: you could ask your question here, or try irc.debian.org... |
| 00:19.22 | parisnet | OK :D |
| 00:19.22 | Guerin | Lagos: yeah. Immobile target. |
| 00:19.26 | dondelelcaro | kjdis: sd 17:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdc <-- this is what you're looking for. |
| 00:19.29 | parisnet | thanks, sorry |
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| 00:19.34 | karsten | parisnet: Roughly 600 nicks here, 305 on OFTC ATM. |
| 00:19.36 | kjdis | I don't get that |
| 00:19.44 | Guerin | Lagos: note, though, that testing and unstable can change daily, so it's all relative. |
| 00:19.50 | ahlfors | kjdis, "sg_map -i" will tell you the corresponding disk device name (like sdc, sdd, etc.) |
| 00:20.08 | kjdis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.08 | kjdis | Stopping because no sg devices found |
| 00:20.25 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Perhaps it is. (That didn't answer much, I think.) |
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| 00:20.34 | kjdis | I can PM one of you guys the full dmesg part, it's only a few lines |
| 00:20.36 | jeff_ | eldowan: FYI: Here was the problem... View ---> Threads ---> Threads with Unread. Thanks again for your help, maybe we can help someone else nexttime |
| 00:20.57 | eldowan | jeff_: Very nice. And to think, the fix was just a click away :D |
| 00:21.07 | karsten | dondelelcaro: are freenode and oftc dpkg bots the same? |
| 00:21.23 | azeem | karsten: yes |
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| 00:21.57 | eldowan | hmmm. parisnet joined at oftc and then left.... hmm |
| 00:22.12 | beardy | kjdis: Use a pastebin to paste what you want to paste. |
| 00:22.17 | beardy | !pastebin |
| 00:22.18 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
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| 00:22.41 | jeff_ | eldowan: Well it happened again. Then I was like, "doh!". |
| 00:23.07 | jeff_ | Cant protect computers from stupid users. |
| 00:23.16 | eldowan | jeff_: I can imagine. I haven't used thread view in a while. |
| 00:23.23 | eldowan | ID10T |
| 00:23.26 | eldowan | :D |
| 00:24.20 | Lagos | Okay. Here's a question which doesn't have a simple answer, and I realize that. Mostly looking for small points of things that might not be immediately apparent: I'm going to probably end up doing some hacking of the kernel (specifically NFS support). I hated Kernel configuration, installation, etc. on RedHat. It was good on Gentoo. How is it on Debian? |
| 00:24.24 | jeff_ | pretty much |
| 00:24.58 | dragonfly | this may be more of a hardware issue, but maybe someone here can help me out...i have a web/file server running Debian. setup is cdrom on ide0 and 2 hd's on ide1 (master is where operating system is and slave is for file storage) it quit working so i swapped out mobo/processor/ram/etc. and now the bios does not see the hd's but if i put the debian installer cd in and get to the partitioning portion, both drives show up correctly |
| 00:25.00 | dondelelcaro | Lagos: the debian kernels should already support nfs |
| 00:25.05 | dondelelcaro | Lagos: you may have to load some modules though. |
| 00:25.13 | kjdis | USB flash drive - http://channels.debian.net/paste/3932 |
| 00:25.16 | nevyn | Lagos: what did you hate about redhat? |
| 00:25.18 | dondelelcaro | Lagos: regardless, /msg dpkg kp; if you want to know how to build a custom kernel. |
| 00:25.35 | beardy | Lagos: It's different, but very nice, if you want to use make-kpkg. If you really want to, you can do it the old way, everything manually. What dondelelcaro pointed you to. |
| 00:25.39 | Lagos | I know it has support. I'll be hacking the implementation. |
| 00:26.11 | nevyn | Lagos: you can do it by hand and have the default kernels managed by the package manager if you want |
| 00:26.20 | nevyn | or you can build your kernels as packages and install them. |
| 00:26.24 | Lagos | I hated how working on the kernel in a humane manner that didn't piss me off was orthogonal to the way RedHat wanted to layout my sources, etc. |
| 00:26.42 | Lagos | That was directed towards Nevyn. |
| 00:26.43 | dondelelcaro | Lagos: you can work on the kernel any way you want in Debian. |
| 00:26.55 | nevyn | Lagos: debian makes NO decision about where you put the source tree etc etc etc |
| 00:28.32 | beardy | Lagos: As said, where you put your source and so on, doesn't matter to make-kpkg, or what you do with it. Either you use the kernel-source package (linux-source probably on etch and sid) or any other sourcetree. |
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| 00:30.59 | zamaliphe | can some one pleases test my server ==>> http://196.218.97.93 <<======== |
| 00:31.17 | ahlfors | zamaliphe, bad idea |
| 00:31.36 | zamaliphe | ahlfors: why |
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| 00:31.51 | zamaliphe | ahlfors: can you see it |
| 00:31.52 | jzxu | has anyone ever gotten this error in apps like firefox or gvim? cairo-ft-font.c:680: _cairo_ft_unscaled_font_set_scale: Assertion 'error==0' failed |
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| 00:32.24 | jzxu | I know it's a problem with libcairo2, but I'm surprised there isn't a bug report about it, since it happens to me very regularly |
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| 00:32.38 | marek | okay |
| 00:32.39 | ahlfors | zamaliphe, 1) No, I can't. 2) It's not a good idea to go posting the IP of your recently-configured web server on IRC |
| 00:33.00 | marek | to get kernel version 2.6.18-1 i do aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-1-686 |
| 00:33.02 | marek | then what do i do? |
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| 00:35.39 | kjdis | Anyone check out my USB problem pastebin? |
| 00:37.53 | evilbulgarian | hi, can annyone suggest a wiki for use insite a company? twiki or mediawiki? can anyone share experiences with either? |
| 00:37.57 | mikeee | kjdis: what release/ |
| 00:38.03 | mikeee | Sarge? |
| 00:38.47 | Lagos | By default, it looks like the kernel source packages install the sources in /usr/src/. I don't have to do some whacky copying out of /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/i/love/Bob/Young or whatever, so that's nice. |
| 00:38.47 | stoned | evilbulgarian, www.opensourcecms.com |
| 00:38.48 | stoned | or org or net |
| 00:38.51 | stoned | dunno which one |
| 00:39.02 | kjdis | mikeee: not sure, I forget |
| 00:39.16 | Guerin | evilbulgarian: twiki is a bit of a mission to set up but is hard as nails |
| 00:39.46 | Guerin | evilbulgarian: if you don't need much functionality (users, auth, revision control, etc) i'd go with kwiki |
| 00:40.03 | Guerin | evilbulgarian: by 'hard as nails' i mean 'will keep on trucking and never die' |
| 00:40.06 | keram | do i need to reboot when i update my kernel? |
| 00:40.18 | Guerin | keram: if you want to be running the new kernel, or if apt tells you |
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| 00:40.28 | keram | ah ic |
| 00:40.29 | keram | okay thanks |
| 00:40.45 | evilbulgarian | Guerin : good to know thanks |
| 00:40.50 | stoned | hi |
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| 00:41.15 | stoned | Guerin, whats up |
| 00:41.26 | Guerin | stoned: sky |
| 00:41.30 | Guerin | stoned: wind, too |
| 00:41.47 | stoned | you're a tool |
| 00:41.47 | stoned | :/ |
| 00:41.47 | stoned | thats like being back in jr high |
| 00:41.47 | stoned | hey whats up man, nothing, the cieling |
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| 00:41.58 | Guerin | !lose stoned |
| 00:41.59 | dpkg | stoned: You Lose. |
| 00:42.00 | stoned | that was almost funny :) |
| 00:42.07 | stoned | my point remains |
| 00:42.27 | Guerin | i'm gonna buy me a roof rack for my car |
| 00:42.31 | stoned | nice |
| 00:42.33 | Guerin | for great tyin' shit on top justice |
| 00:42.38 | stoned | I saw that tokyo drift movie |
| 00:42.44 | Guerin | i didn't |
| 00:42.50 | stoned | man them asian folks know how to supe up their rides man |
| 00:42.51 | Guerin | anyway |
| 00:42.54 | stoned | im like DAMN! |
| 00:42.57 | Guerin | there ain't no street racing in tokyo |
| 00:42.59 | Kurtism | man the sid faq is all doom and gloom nonsense... sid is perfectly usable I have less problems with sid than I do sarge. |
| 00:43.09 | Lagos | Thanks for chatting, guys. Good night. |
| 00:43.10 | Guerin | the porice got the place locked down like hell |
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| 00:43.25 | Guerin | Kurtism: you're delusional. |
| 00:43.26 | stoned | Kurtism, and what happens if grub has a bug in sid where it doesn't go past the 2nd boot step? |
| 00:43.36 | Guerin | Kurtism: since sarge has virtually no major functionality problems. |
| 00:43.36 | stoned | or if libpam fails? |
| 00:43.43 | stoned | any clue? |
| 00:43.46 | stoned | didn't think so |
| 00:44.17 | karsten | stoned: Surprise us. |
| 00:44.42 | Guerin | stoned: i thought you worked at the place where they drug-test your ass |
| 00:44.54 | stoned | pre employment drug screen |
| 00:44.55 | karsten | Guerin: he's not toking his ass. |
| 00:45.06 | stoned | i'm not working for a fucking federal agency dog |
| 00:45.06 | Guerin | stoned: oh, not randomly while you work there |
| 00:45.09 | Guerin | open season! |
| 00:45.11 | stoned | nope |
| 00:45.12 | stoned | :D |
| 00:45.48 | Guerin | the skool year will be over soon, and I'll be able to get by irie on without nuking my grades |
| 00:45.51 | Guerin | man |
| 00:45.59 | Guerin | I feel like a kid again, that ain't right |
| 00:46.04 | stoned | how old are you? |
| 00:46.07 | Guerin | 28 |
| 00:46.10 | stoned | bah |
| 00:46.12 | stoned | you're still a kid |
| 00:46.21 | Guerin | so my wife keeps telling me |
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| 00:46.28 | stoned | mine too |
| 00:46.36 | stoned | mostly when I ask her to do the nasty |
| 00:46.43 | Kurtism | I've been using sid for ages and have had no problems |
| 00:46.48 | karsten | stoned: You're married? |
| 00:46.54 | stoned | might as well be |
| 00:46.55 | karsten | Kurtism: Just wait. |
| 00:46.58 | Kurtism | the faq is overly pessimmistic |
| 00:46.59 | Guerin | Kurtism: you will. |
| 00:47.02 | stoned | been engaged for like 19 years |
| 00:47.04 | stoned | 20 now |
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| 00:47.14 | karsten | stoned: Um. How old are you? |
| 00:47.19 | stoned | grew up with the girl, have a 7 year old daughter with her |
| 00:47.23 | Guerin | stoned: but it doesn't count, since you got engaged when you were 6, without having met the gal |
| 00:47.23 | stoned | 25 |
| 00:47.24 | beardy | stoned: yeah? |
| 00:47.38 | stoned | umm |
| 00:47.39 | beardy | hmm |
| 00:47.47 | stoned | I went to my folks and told them, I wanna marry this girl |
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| 00:48.01 | stoned | shes my first cousine, we grew up together as well, deeply in love |
| 00:48.02 | Kurtism | is she hot? |
| 00:48.03 | stoned | :) |
| 00:48.06 | stoned | very |
| 00:48.10 | Kurtism | pics |
| 00:48.13 | stoned | not for you |
| 00:48.15 | Guerin | stoned: you mean they didn't go to her folks and trade for some goats? Shock/horror! |
| 00:48.23 | stoned | Guerin, lol |
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| 00:48.24 | Guerin | stoned: sorry, I'm a bastard. |
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| 00:48.35 | stoned | Guerin, hey, if its funny, its funny, I laugh |
| 00:48.38 | karsten | stoned: cousin? Apalachia? |
| 00:48.39 | Kurtism | I had the ky all ready |
| 00:48.51 | stoned | Guerin, you'll know when I take offence, and that is usually never :) |
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| 00:49.08 | stoned | karsten, step mother's neice |
| 00:49.11 | Guerin | stoned: my wife's workmate is a kashmiri muslim whose folks sent him home and made him choose from a lineup of 16 year-old girls to bring back to NZ to marry. |
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| 00:49.21 | Guerin | stoned: he reckons he chose the one with the biggest tits. |
| 00:49.27 | Guerin | pure class |
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| 00:49.48 | stoned | my first cousine, married my other first cousine, a 28 year old urologist, practices in lake charles, LA, married my 14 year old pakistani cousine |
| 00:49.51 | stoned | aint that some shit |
| 00:50.00 | azeem | aint that some offtopic shit |
| 00:50.05 | stoned | yes it is |
| 00:50.08 | Guerin | stoned: were they bot first cousins?? |
| 00:50.21 | stoned | and since others also talk about it, azeem you usually always single me out and tell me |
| 00:50.22 | karsten | azeem: Um. This is package management and development ;-) |
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| 00:50.47 | Guerin | ah, I need to go to skool anyway |
| 00:50.50 | azeem | stoned: it started when you said `hi', incidently |
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| 01:02.27 | azeem | stoned: plus the others usually add some signal to the chan as well |
| 01:02.27 | stoned | signal? |
| 01:02.27 | karsten | stoned: #debian-offtopic |
| 01:02.27 | stoned | karsten, I'm aware of it, thanks |
| 01:02.27 | karsten | stoned: signal. As in !stoned. |
| 01:02.28 | gpm | hi everyone. i'm trying to figure out where to file this bug...whenever i try to run gtkpod, i get errors like this: "*** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x084fcb10 ***" ... should i file against libc6? gtkpod? something else? please advise. downgrading gtkpod doesn't help so i suspect it's something else since gtkpod used to work... |
| 01:02.28 | stoned | I'm just wanting to know why you're always singling me out, while a bunch of them here are going on off topic stuff |
| 01:02.28 | stoned | thats all |
| 01:02.28 | azeem | stoned: this is a support chan, I see you talk about bitches and drugs 10x than helping people |
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| 01:02.29 | azeem | the opposite is true for the others |
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| 01:02.29 | stoned | incidentally, everytime you've been around |
| 01:02.29 | beardy | We have gotten a dictator ;) |
| 01:02.29 | stoned | maybe, apparantly |
| 01:02.29 | karsten | stoned: I'm largely with azeem here. Occasionall chitchat's ok, always isn't. |
| 01:02.30 | stoned | and I agree 100% |
| 01:02.30 | beardy | (not that I don't agree, mostly) |
| 01:02.30 | karsten | gpm: Are you sure you don't have bad RAM? Is it just this one app or others as well? |
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| 01:02.30 | gpm | karsten: i'm watching a movie in a full-fledged gnome right now... |
| 01:02.31 | karsten | gpm: strace may help you. If the error's always at the same point, (say, try a few runs), I'd say it's an app issue. |
| 01:02.31 | karsten | gpm: Ok. |
| 01:02.31 | gpm | should i try an strace anyway? |
| 01:02.31 | karsten | gpm: I'd file the bug on the app in question, note the relevant output, indicate that I'm not sure if it's the app or a lib, and let the maintainer sort it out. |
| 01:02.31 | karsten | gpm: Wouldn't hurt. |
| 01:02.31 | stoned | azeem, I was asked a question or two, and I replied, I wasn't going on about bitches and drugs |
| 01:02.31 | karsten | stoned: Um. Up through that last clause, mildly accurate. |
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| 01:02.32 | azeem | stoned: don't take the bait then, or answer in #debian-offtopic |
| 01:02.32 | stoned | azeem, im not trying to argue with you, just letting you know that I've been coming here for years and have not had any problems, and lately you just single me out, which is not right. |
| 01:02.32 | azeem | anyway, going to bed now |
| 01:02.32 | stoned | azeem, got ya |
| 01:02.32 | karsten | azeem: g'night. |
| 01:02.32 | stoned | I'll try not to respond to most ot stuff |
| 01:02.32 | stoned | that might help |
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| 01:02.33 | beardy | hello thingfish |
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| 01:02.33 | beardy | and mhall |
| 01:02.33 | beardy | bah.. |
| 01:02.33 | stoned | you scared him off |
| 01:02.33 | stoned | good going |
| 01:02.33 | thingfish | hi beardy |
| 01:02.33 | stoned | I don't think he likes me much |
| 01:02.34 | stoned | thing man whats goin on |
| 01:02.34 | thingfish | stoned: just working. |
| 01:02.34 | stoned | same |
| 01:02.34 | thingfish | you know how it is. |
| 01:02.34 | stoned | that I do |
| 01:02.34 | thingfish | no time for myself anymore hardly |
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| 01:02.35 | beardy | hmm.. |
| 01:02.35 | stoned | hes still not back |
| 01:02.35 | thingfish | and I definitely don't get to hang out here like I used to. |
| 01:02.35 | stoned | thanks to beardy |
| 01:02.35 | beardy | stoned: who? |
| 01:02.35 | stoned | mhall |
| 01:02.35 | thingfish | stoned: how's the dell gig going? |
| 01:02.35 | stoned | ssshhhh. |
| 01:02.35 | thingfish | ? |
| 01:02.35 | beardy | I was hmm:ing about those cloaks.. |
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| 01:02.36 | stoned | can't say that word |
| 01:02.36 | stoned | brings unluck |
| 01:02.36 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:02.45 | karsten | : |
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| 01:02.54 | thingfish | not if they give you a paycheck - that's *good* luck! |
| 01:02.58 | thingfish | :) |
| 01:03.41 | stoned | eh |
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| 01:15.40 | Werdna___ | wtf!? |
| 01:15.44 | Werdna___ | I set secure on |
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| 01:16.53 | ne78 | I'm using sid and xorg 7.1, is there a way to enable (toggle) reverse video ? |
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| 01:19.31 | werdna_ | uh oh Werdna |
| 01:19.33 | karsten | ne78: Where? Globally? Console? X? |
| 01:19.54 | Werdna | werdna_, ffs, use another nick. |
| 01:19.56 | Werdna | you have five seconds. |
| 01:20.23 | ne78 | karsten: globally (at the X server level) |
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| 01:20.29 | karsten | ne78: Not AFAIK. |
| 01:20.35 | Werdna_ | *SIGH* |
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| 01:20.51 | abrotman | that doesn't look like it worked .. |
| 01:20.58 | abrotman | wtf .. nick war ? |
| 01:21.02 | karsten | Werdna_: /msg nickserv recover <nick> <pass> |
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| 01:21.11 | karsten | Werdna: ... /msg nickserv release <nick> <pass> |
| 01:21.16 | abrotman | oh ffs ... take it to #freenode |
| 01:21.18 | karsten | Werdna: ... then renick. |
| 01:21.19 | asg | abrotman: nick of time |
| 01:21.20 | ne78 | karsten: actually i'm reading a pdf with xpdf and it hurts my eyes, i would like to see it on black on white |
| 01:21.32 | abrotman | asg: please god no |
| 01:21.51 | karsten | Werdna: .. and register |
| 01:22.09 | Werdna | karsten, I am registered |
| 01:22.22 | karsten | Werdna: /msg ? |
| 01:22.31 | ne78 | karsten: cool i think xpdf has an option |
| 01:23.21 | ne78 | karsten: I found a solution "xpdf -rv" |
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| 01:23.44 | karsten | Sweet. |
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| 01:24.05 | ahattar | question, what is a good ftp server to use on debian? |
| 01:24.15 | abrotman | proftpd or vsftpd |
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| 01:27.28 | ahattar | abrotman"proftpd - Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon" is it security? |
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| 01:27.41 | ahattar | secure? |
| 01:27.52 | keram | can unstable run kernel version 2.6.16? |
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| 01:28.09 | asg | keram: apt-cache search linux version 2.6.16 |
| 01:28.18 | ahattar | abrotman"proftpd - Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon" is it secure? |
| 01:28.18 | asg | s/version/kernel/ |
| 01:28.19 | abrotman | ahattar: it's FTP .. it's insecurre by design |
| 01:28.24 | Ronin | as secure as ftp can be |
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| 01:29.04 | ahattar | vsftp (it sound very secure ftp) |
| 01:29.25 | asg | ahattar: it is until you log into it |
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| 01:30.07 | Ronin | ahattar: secure and ftp is almost an oxymoron |
| 01:30.18 | asg | ahattar: if you choose to use it. 1) don't complain. 2) be very sure to read *all* of the documentation in /usr/share/doc/vsftpd |
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| 01:31.03 | abrotman | !ftpmustdie |
| 01:31.03 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 01:31.20 | asg | abrotman: hehe, forgot about that one |
| 01:32.11 | abrotman | someone called it the other day |
| 01:32.21 | asg | nice |
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| 01:37.31 | dan2 | asg: ahoy |
| 01:37.37 | dan2 | abrotman: yo |
| 01:38.01 | abrotman | oy! |
| 01:40.22 | asg | dan2: hiya |
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| 01:40.45 | dan2 | asg: I'm looking into ways of cheating california residency requirements for college |
| 01:41.03 | abrotman | get married |
| 01:41.21 | ahattar | thnx abrotman thnx asg for ur advices |
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| 01:42.08 | asg | dan2: well, moving there would be a good first step |
| 01:42.23 | asg | ahattar: you're welcome |
| 01:42.34 | abrotman | asg: you spelled it out! |
| 01:42.46 | dan2 | asg: yeah, but then I have to sit their worthless for a year |
| 01:43.01 | abrotman | there ? |
| 01:43.08 | abrotman | you could take a class on homonyms |
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| 01:43.16 | asg | abrotman: spelled what out? |
| 01:43.20 | abrotman | asg: you're :) |
| 01:43.26 | asg | abrotman: I always do |
| 01:43.36 | abrotman | asg: wow .. i'm impressed |
| 01:43.37 | asg | abrotman: :P |
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| 01:43.48 | asg | abrotman: I cheat with the contraction though |
| 01:43.59 | abrotman | asg: you bastard .. they have a place for people like you! |
| 01:44.02 | asg | dan2: spend a year surfing |
| 01:44.12 | dan2 | asg: that's probably a good idea |
| 01:44.14 | keram | how do i make a certain kernel version the default? |
| 01:44.23 | keram | so that if i dont select one from the grub menue it will go to that one? |
| 01:44.25 | abrotman | configure your bootloader correctly |
| 01:44.31 | asg | keram: put it first in the list |
| 01:44.35 | keram | how do i do that? |
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| 01:46.01 | asg | keram: there is a list of kernel stanzas near the bottom of /boot/grub/menu.lst. Put the new kernel stanza first. |
| 01:46.20 | abrotman | or configure the 'default' parameter |
| 01:46.59 | asg | abrotman: the easiest way, of course, but then you have to explain that the first one is actually '0' (and then it gets ugly) |
| 01:48.16 | abrotman | asg: don't they have a man page? |
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| 01:48.33 | asg | abrotman: yes |
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| 01:48.56 | Blastur | hello! I'm having some problems with CUPS. I've installed it via Debians package manager, and I browse to the administrator page, http://xxx:631/admin, I add my HP DeskJet 720C printer (it even detects it on port /dev/lp0), and everything seems fine. But, when I press the "Print test page", nothing comes out. Checking the error logs doesn't give me nothing. If I set LogLevel to "debug", it just says (at the end): Job Cancel: id |
| 01:48.59 | abrotman | man update-grub |
| 01:49.27 | asg | abrotman: the default menu.lst is well commented though |
| 01:49.55 | abrotman | ack .. comments! |
| 01:50.05 | asg | abrotman: grep -v '^#' |
| 01:50.09 | abrotman | eww! |
| 01:50.26 | asg | abrotman: egrep -v '^#|^$' |
| 01:50.37 | abrotman | less .. read the whole damn thing |
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| 01:52.54 | shadow98 | anybody on that can help me with setting up snort-inline |
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| 01:53.22 | asg | abrotman: asg@proxy-central:~$ sudo wc -l /etc/squid/squid.conf |
| 01:53.23 | asg | 3434 /etc/squid/squid.conf |
| 01:53.29 | asg | asg@proxy-central:~$ sudo egrep -v '^#|^$' /etc/squid/squid.conf | wc -l |
| 01:53.29 | asg | 66 |
| 01:54.03 | abrotman | asg: just so you can surf porn at work ? :) |
| 01:54.34 | asg | abrotman: nah, so I can block youtube for the others and keep the naughty bits to myself |
| 01:54.56 | asg | shadow98: #snort would be a likely place to start |
| 01:55.03 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:56.07 | shadow98 | anybody know where i can get libnet from since packetfactory.com is down |
| 01:56.27 | asg | shadow98: apt-cache search libnet |
| 01:57.19 | dan2 | !find libnet |
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| 01:58.42 | rgsteele | Hm. I've been using Debian for almost a year, and I've been sitting in ##linux for like 6 months...and it never occurred to me to join #debian |
| 01:58.57 | rgsteele | I guess this far exceeds fashionably late. |
| 01:59.19 | thingfish | rgsteele: maybe you should start taking vitamins. |
| 01:59.38 | asg | thingfish: or fish oil pills |
| 01:59.51 | rgsteele | or thing oil pills |
| 01:59.52 | thingfish | asg: I was thinking that too. |
| 01:59.57 | rgsteele | Ew, wait |
| 02:00.01 | rgsteele | I don't want thing oil pills. |
| 02:00.19 | thingfish | well I'm not oily. |
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| 02:00.45 | asg | thingfish: so, you're a thing-cod? |
| 02:00.52 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 02:02.44 | thingfish | I would prefer to be more walleye pike -like. |
| 02:03.02 | thingfish | although I like cod too. |
| 02:03.06 | rgsteele | Or, you could go the both-eyes-on-one-side route and be flounder-ish |
| 02:03.13 | thingfish | oh yes I'd love that |
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| 02:03.28 | thingfish | dammit now I'm wishing I had fish to cook for dinner. |
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| 02:03.50 | abrotman | !trout thingfish |
| 02:03.51 | thingfish | I wish. |
| 02:03.51 | abrotman | stupid bot |
| 02:03.57 | abrotman | !fish thingfish |
| 02:04.00 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:05.17 | abrotman | thingfish: you could go to the grocer! |
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| 02:05.36 | abrotman | what's the other word for fish monger ? |
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| 02:05.58 | asg | abrotman: pimp? |
| 02:06.05 | abrotman | eh .. no |
| 02:06.06 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:06.16 | rgsteele | asg: lol |
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| 02:06.26 | thingfish | I don't know of any other word for that occupation |
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| 02:06.38 | abrotman | it's an older word |
| 02:06.39 | thingfish | unless it's just escaping me for the moment. |
| 02:06.42 | thingfish | hmm |
| 02:07.28 | abrotman | asg: In Shakespeare's Hamlet, some contend, the word fishmonger was a euphemism for a pimp [1][2]. |
| 02:07.31 | abrotman | yay wikipedia! |
| 02:07.59 | thingfish | oh cool |
| 02:08.05 | rgsteele | thingfish: fishwife |
| 02:08.14 | abrotman | oh lovely .. google "another word for fishmonger" |
| 02:08.16 | thingfish | that fits, because a slang term for women is 'fish' |
| 02:08.36 | thingfish | isn't english wonderful. |
| 02:08.48 | asg | thingfish: ye olde tart? |
| 02:08.52 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:09.16 | thingfish | tart...cherries... it's all there. |
| 02:09.18 | asg | abrotman: icthya-<word that describes someone who sells shit> |
| 02:09.31 | abrotman | eh .. i don't think so |
| 02:09.36 | abrotman | i think it was a roman word |
| 02:09.44 | thingfish | icthys is greek |
| 02:09.45 | asg | abrotman: pisca- |
| 02:09.49 | thingfish | yes |
| 02:10.03 | thingfish | pesca, pisca, that's latin-ish |
| 02:10.23 | abrotman | nah |
| 02:11.00 | asg | abrotman: so, what you are saying is that Joe Pesci is really one of the old ones? |
| 02:11.05 | thingfish | fish butcher? |
| 02:11.07 | abrotman | asg: duh |
| 02:11.18 | rgsteele | You don't butcher fish |
| 02:11.27 | abrotman | depends on how you feel about hugging fish i suppose |
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| 02:12.40 | asg | abrotman: Piscatonic University? |
| 02:12.47 | abrotman | OMFG! |
| 02:12.54 | rgsteele | I can't think of the right word for it though. Cleaning fish...deboning fish...? |
| 02:13.01 | stoned | blind man goes to the fish market in the morning, take a whiff of air, and says, good morning ladies |
| 02:13.07 | abrotman | rgsteele: cleaning |
| 02:13.14 | asg | stoned: you can't escape the smell though |
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| 02:13.30 | linux2 | can anyone here help me with twin view |
| 02:13.34 | linux2 | with a nvidia card |
| 02:13.43 | stoned | maybe |
| 02:13.47 | stoned | linux2, here |
| 02:13.48 | stoned | hold on |
| 02:13.51 | ahlfors | Debian users smell like old spice; ubuntu users smell like teen spirit |
| 02:13.51 | stoned | !paster me |
| 02:13.52 | dpkg | stoned: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 02:13.58 | silly_girl22 | can someone please help with this? http://pastebin.ca/191526 |
| 02:14.22 | asg | ahlfors: touche |
| 02:14.22 | linux2 | im trying to get it so that each display gets its own seperate resolution but what its doing is combining both screens into one huge one with a resolution of 2560 x 1024 |
| 02:14.47 | stoned | linux2, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3933 |
| 02:14.47 | asg | linux2: /msg dpkg xinerama |
| 02:14.47 | linux2 | i would like it to look the way it does in windows, you know both displays have their own resolution |
| 02:14.54 | abrotman | stop using sendmail |
| 02:15.08 | rgsteele | Use Exim |
| 02:15.10 | stoned | you see the metamodes, take those off |
| 02:15.15 | ahlfors | linux2, have you read the nvidia README? it is very detailed |
| 02:15.26 | rgsteele | Oh wait, I guess sendmail isn't an MTA :) |
| 02:15.35 | linux2 | ahlfors: yeah im just slightly confused as to how to get everything perfect |
| 02:15.52 | linux2 | stoned: humm looks almost the same as mine except im not doing output to composite |
| 02:16.03 | linux2 | my videocard has two vga outputs on it |
| 02:16.10 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:16.10 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 02:16.16 | abrotman | rgsteele: it is |
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| 02:16.28 | rgsteele | Yeah. I don't know why I second-guessed myself. |
| 02:16.33 | ahlfors | linux2, dunno. But by $0.02: This isn't going to be a very convenient system if you use different resolutions but combine them into one screen with twinview. |
| 02:16.51 | rgsteele | In any case, my original statement stands: use Exim :) |
| 02:16.58 | linux2 | o no, i want both screens to be 1280x1024 |
| 02:17.10 | asg | s/Exim/whatever you are comfortable configuring and supporting/ |
| 02:17.10 | rpc- | speaking of displays.. is it possible that my laptop's external monitor output is of a lower quality than the one in a regular gfx card? the picture ony my dell 1703 lcd seems a bit blurry |
| 02:17.14 | linux2 | but its stretching them now to both be the same monitor |
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| 02:17.41 | linux2 | Option "MetaModes" "1280x1024, 1280x1024; 1280x1024, 1280x1024;" |
| 02:17.43 | abrotman | asg: s/whatever you are comfortable configuring and supporting/ANYTHING BUT SENDMAIL DAMN IT!/ |
| 02:17.57 | asg | abrotman: sendmail is fine for most people |
| 02:18.02 | rgsteele | silly_girl22: Try #sendmail |
| 02:18.02 | ahlfors | linux2, So you want your two 1280x1024 monitors to become the left and right halves of a single 2560x1024 display? |
| 02:18.08 | asg | abrotman: most default configs these days are sane |
| 02:18.09 | rgsteele | if you *Must* use sendmail |
| 02:18.10 | abrotman | asg: unless you try to reconfigure it :) |
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| 02:18.30 | asg | abrotman: it's easy to reconfigure unless you are under the assumption that you have to hand-hack sendmail.cf |
| 02:18.42 | linux2 | ahlfors: close. i want two 1280x1024 monitors out of two monitors |
| 02:19.06 | ahlfors | Do you want a single X server to use both of them at the same time? Or do you want separate X servers? |
| 02:19.13 | rgsteele | ok, i'm exhausted...i need to hit the hay. 'night |
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| 02:19.24 | linux2 | ahlfors: i want a single X server |
| 02:19.44 | ahlfors | And how do you want it to use the two monitors, exactly? |
| 02:19.48 | abrotman | asg: you should buy the $2000 tool! |
| 02:20.05 | asg | abrotman: nah, I've got a Makefile |
| 02:20.45 | abrotman | use exim! |
| 02:21.03 | linux2 | ahlfors: ok, i want my monitor on the right to be a blank screen with just a background. and my monitor on the left to contain the toolbar icons and all that other stuff. both of them need to have independent resolutions. so both will be set to 1280x1024 and thats it |
| 02:21.05 | asg | abrotman: I do, on most of my Debian machines. I still use sendmail on my OpenBSD boxes though. |
| 02:21.21 | silly_girl22 | abrotman: why are these not in order by date? id like to have them in order of date installed by apt or downloaded by apt. http://pastebin.ca/191538 |
| 02:21.23 | linux2 | that is how the windows split screen thing works, and i would like to hopefully get it to work with linux as well |
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| 02:21.50 | abrotman | !tell silly_girl22 about grounding |
| 02:21.52 | abrotman | silly_girl22: man ls |
| 02:22.03 | ahlfors | linux2, you do not want twinview or xinerama. You want to configure your X server to use two screens. |
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| 02:22.26 | linux2 | ahlfors: ok, how do i go about this? |
| 02:22.53 | ahlfors | linux2, This is Appendix P in the nvidia readme |
| 02:23.01 | abrotman | or ask #nviida |
| 02:23.05 | abrotman | erm ... spell it right :) |
| 02:23.13 | ahlfors | http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/1.0-9625/README/appendix-p.html |
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| 02:23.33 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:23.33 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 02:23.38 | ahlfors | linux2, nevermind the x86-64 part or the version, that's just the link that came up on google. |
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| 02:27.16 | silly_girl22 | abrotman: i have looked at the man pages many times. using -t gives me the dates the packages were put in the repositories. sorry i am not as smart as you. |
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| 02:27.41 | linux2 | ok guys wish me luck |
| 02:27.43 | linux2 | restarting X |
| 02:28.16 | pyxel | :) |
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| 02:34.52 | Jazbo | I followed the directions at http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer at I still get "You currently do not have the necessary Macromedia Flash plug-in to view this page". What gives? |
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| 02:36.28 | Wyzard | Jazbo: flashplugin-nonfree is Flash 7 |
| 02:36.48 | Wyzard | Jazbo: Flash 8 or 9 are not currently available for Linux |
| 02:36.56 | Jazbo | grrrrrr |
| 02:36.57 | Wyzard | Jazbo: (though a port of Flash 9 is in the works) |
| 02:37.16 | Jazbo | k thanks Wyzard |
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| 02:37.43 | enouf | !customer |
| 02:37.43 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 02:37.51 | abrotman | !blame adobe |
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| 02:39.13 | enouf | heh .. I think RealMedia now has a stake in Mozilla too - what a dump! - they can both jump off a ckiff holding hands |
| 02:39.21 | enouf | cliff even |
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| 02:53.47 | keram | where can i get the latest debian install cd? |
| 02:54.30 | smagy2 | keram: do you want the stable version or the unstable version |
| 02:54.33 | abrotman | !d-i keram |
| 02:54.34 | dpkg | keram, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:54.41 | abrotman | smagy2: there's no installer for unstable |
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| 02:55.11 | smagy2 | abrotman: hmmnn don't we have unofficial iso's . i thought i had come across those |
| 02:55.19 | abrotman | not in quite some time |
| 02:56.33 | talexb | Folks, I'm new to Debian .. am downloading the first Sarge ISO right now, but based on the rate it's going and the number of ISO's, it's going to be a few days before I'm done. Anyone here from Toronto who might be able to lend me a copy? |
| 02:56.41 | smagy2 | mea culpa |
| 02:57.09 | smagy2 | talexb: you would need mostly just the first cd to get started |
| 02:57.10 | abrotman | talexb: have a local LUG ? |
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| 02:57.18 | abrotman | talexb: do you have broadband ? |
| 02:57.28 | talexb | smagy2, Cool, all right. |
| 02:57.30 | abrotman | !d-i talexb |
| 02:57.31 | dpkg | talexb, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:57.36 | abrotman | 112MB .. yo're all done |
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| 02:57.43 | smagy2 | talexb: you can also try netinstall where you can only download only the packages you want |
| 02:57.45 | talexb | abrotman, Yeah, GTALUG. Yeah, broadband. |
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| 02:58.31 | talexb | dpkg, Cool, that downloads and installs the necessary, does it? |
| 02:58.48 | talexb | Much more efficient than downloading *everyting*, I suppose. |
| 02:58.52 | abrotman | talexb: it gets you a basic system |
| 02:59.01 | abrotman | talexb: then it downloads/installs as needed |
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| 03:02.28 | Varange | damn, I'm stuck again. Trying to get mssql-php to work. The files are in an RPM from http://phprpms.sourceforge.net/mssql . Can I use RPMs in debian at all? Maybe just extract the files I need? |
| 03:03.31 | abrotman | why? |
| 03:03.32 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:03.38 | abrotman | use php4-sybase |
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| 03:04.41 | Varange | abrotman: I tried that too... .can't connect. hmmm, got an idea, one mo please |
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| 03:05.01 | abrotman | Varange: you did it wrong .. i've used it for 2k and sql7 and i think 2k3 |
| 03:05.05 | abrotman | wait .. not 2k3 |
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| 03:05.13 | Varange | abrotman: yep, I sure did |
| 03:05.19 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 03:05.21 | Varange | here's the PHP error message |
| 03:05.23 | abrotman | PONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:05.25 | Varange | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: sybase_pconnect() in /var/www/connect.php on line 3 |
| 03:05.41 | abrotman | the extension isn't enabled in the php.ini' |
| 03:06.24 | Varange | $conn = sybase_pconnect("canwet","tomcat","assword"); |
| 03:06.33 | Varange | that is line 3 |
| 03:06.55 | abrotman | php.ini isn't done right |
| 03:06.59 | abrotman | apache1 or 2 ? |
| 03:07.07 | Varange | apache 2 |
| 03:07.28 | abrotman | grep sybase /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini |
| 03:07.34 | abrotman | anything useful ? |
| 03:08.12 | abrotman | (that assumes php4 .. not php5) |
| 03:08.15 | Varange | quite a few. What are we lookign for? |
| 03:08.37 | abrotman | grep sybase /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini | grep extension |
| 03:09.06 | Varange | extension=sybase_ct.so |
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| 03:09.23 | abrotman | have you restarted apache since installing ? |
| 03:09.29 | Varange | will it use the FreeTDS stuff? |
| 03:09.41 | Varange | hmm, no. Good idea, lol. brb |
| 03:09.48 | abrotman | uhm ... dunno |
| 03:10.01 | abrotman | my mssql needs are simple .. do a query .. get the stuff .. put stuff in |
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| 03:10.25 | abrotman | you know .. like a text file .. but more RAM usAGe :) |
| 03:10.38 | Varange | ahhh, much better: Warning: sybase_pconnect(): Sybase: Unable to connect in /var/www/connect.php on line 3 |
| 03:10.47 | abrotman | i think that's better :) |
| 03:10.52 | Varange | sure is. :) |
| 03:11.07 | abrotman | wait .. now we know your user/password! |
| 03:11.22 | Varange | $conn = sybase_pconnect("192.168.0.36","tomcat","password"); |
| 03:11.38 | Varange | and.... |
| 03:11.43 | Varange | what do you think? |
| 03:11.48 | Varange | is it connecting? |
| 03:11.53 | abrotman | and i think .. you missed something :) |
| 03:11.56 | Varange | waiting in antici ...... |
| 03:12.03 | Varange | lol abrotman |
| 03:12.03 | abrotman | iirc .. you have to set mssql to accept tcp |
| 03:12.06 | Varange | pation |
| 03:12.18 | abrotman | it's just a step to the left |
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| 03:12.37 | Varange | no, the password is really secure. it is... wait for it... password |
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| 03:12.54 | Varange | and BINGO, it's a jump to the right. It works! |
| 03:12.58 | Varange | thanks |
| 03:13.01 | abrotman | all done ? |
| 03:13.05 | Varange | all done |
| 03:13.14 | Varange | well, not my script that is |
| 03:13.17 | Varange | nitey nite |
| 03:13.19 | Varange | thanks |
| 03:13.51 | FernandoMM | Could someone help me on a ha-loadbalanced debian + apache system? Sometimes the virtual ip stops respoding (even if the machines are up). |
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| 03:16.26 | Cooner750 | my internet issue cleared it self up |
| 03:17.11 | rpc- | what issue? |
| 03:17.20 | rpc- | stuff rarely cleans itself up btw :) |
| 03:17.41 | Cooner750 | I had a problem with not being able to access my server at my aunt's house from home. But only from home, everywhere else it worked |
| 03:17.43 | rpc- | clears even lol |
| 03:17.52 | Cooner750 | It mosy likely turned out to be a routing issue with the ISP |
| 03:17.59 | rpc- | oh yes could be |
| 03:18.02 | Cooner750 | as the traceroute stopped right after the ISP's router, one of them |
| 03:18.17 | Cooner750 | and tonight it started working again |
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| 03:18.25 | rpc- | they could be upgrading some router |
| 03:18.49 | Cooner750 | Possibly, that's what I was thinking |
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| 03:20.13 | silly_girl22 | whats wrong with this guy? <gufymike> apt sucks tho fast can't make up for sucking |
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| 03:23.58 | bbelt16ag | where do i put my identity file (private key) for ssh ? |
| 03:24.07 | bbelt16ag | i forget... |
| 03:24.26 | dondelelcaro | bbelt16ag: depends on what you've got in your ssh configuration; ~/.ssh/id_{rsa,dsa} etc. is the default. |
| 03:24.37 | bbelt16ag | RSA |
| 03:24.52 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.11 | bbelt16ag | so its set in the config for ssh in /etc/ssh.config |
| 03:28.18 | bbelt16ag | ok i put it in the right file now |
| 03:28.25 | bbelt16ag | and i got my .pub file in the proper one as well |
| 03:28.34 | bbelt16ag | now i am getting no route to hoste |
| 03:28.45 | bbelt16ag | think i need to turn on sshd on the other box.. |
| 03:28.48 | bbelt16ag | remote box |
| 03:29.02 | dondelelcaro | bbelt16ag: uh... no route to host is an entirely different problem. |
| 03:29.10 | bbelt16ag | what that mean |
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| 03:29.32 | dondelelcaro | bbelt16ag: et means that there is no way to get packets from your machine to the machine you're connecting to |
| 03:30.17 | bbelt16ag | ah |
| 03:30.22 | bbelt16ag | hmmm |
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| 03:30.28 | Varange | hi again |
| 03:31.40 | Varange | I'm having trouble forwarding displaying the windows from my Debian box on my MS Windahs box. I've connected using Putty, with X11 forwarding enabled. I'm using XDeep32 as the XServer on the windows box. |
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| 03:32.12 | pipeline | Varange: Putty + X11 is pretty braindead. |
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| 03:32.14 | Varange | Please help me figure out why the applications cannot find an x server |
| 03:32.26 | Varange | pipeline: what should I do? |
| 03:32.31 | pipeline | Varange: Have you enabled "X11Forwarding yes" on the remote /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 03:32.39 | pipeline | Varange: Also, I would much recommend using a more reasonable X server. |
| 03:32.48 | Varange | pipeline: ahh that'l be it |
| 03:32.58 | Varange | pipeline: a suggestion please |
| 03:33.01 | pipeline | Varange: X-win32 supports OpenGL, but is expensive. Xming is totally free and easy to set up, but has no GLX. |
| 03:33.21 | pipeline | Varange: Well, x-win32 is cheaper than most of the commercial X11 servers for windows, but it's still, uh, not-insignificant. |
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| 03:34.35 | Varange | pipeline: it seems Xming will do me fine. Gotta go reset the SSH server now, do I? |
| 03:34.48 | Varange | pipeline: thanks for all the great info |
| 03:35.24 | Varange | see ya |
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| 03:39.15 | bbelt16ag | dondelelcaro: i got it working i had wrong mac address for it in the static dhcp :) |
| 03:39.25 | bbelt16ag | had to let it reboot so see which one changed |
| 03:40.24 | r3c4ll | what program like knark works in a 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:41.07 | r3c4ll | exist a way of change the name of the root user & make that a normal user take it name? |
| 03:41.21 | dondelelcaro | r3c4ll: there's no reason to do that, ever. |
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| 03:42.05 | r3c4ll | dondelelcaro, i want do it... it's no reason? |
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| 03:42.45 | dondelelcaro | not a valid one, no. |
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| 03:43.08 | r3c4ll | somebody know a rootkit like knark for 2.6.x kernels? |
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| 03:49.22 | bbelt16ag | no |
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| 03:49.42 | shriphani | guys i installed debian |
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| 03:49.48 | shriphani | but it doesnt boot completely |
| 03:49.53 | bbelt16ag | why |
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| 03:50.38 | shriphani | and no x |
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| 04:18.37 | kijjaz | i connect my canon scanner to USB. installed sane, xsane. but it can't find any scanner device. |
| 04:19.04 | kijjaz | after i lsusb, it has Bus 002 Device 002: ID 04a9:2220 Canon, Inc. ok. |
| 04:19.17 | Coweater | are you in the scanner group? |
| 04:19.38 | kijjaz | what should i do to make xsane see the scanner or gimp to see in it acquire? |
| 04:19.52 | kijjaz | Coweater: oh! so it's about group? wow.. |
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| 04:20.20 | kijjaz | Coweater: thanks, i'll check that out (me such a happy newbie hehe) |
| 04:20.34 | Coweater | check that, if you run sane-find-scanner as root and it finds it, that's most likely the problem |
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| 04:21.35 | kijjaz | Coweater: in gnome - Users and Group, i've checked the 'Use Scanner' for the users. let me try now. |
| 04:21.59 | silly_girl22 | i switched from http://http.us.debian.org to http://ftp.us.debian.org in my repos and now i dont have xgl available anymore, but i was having errors with the other repo and abrotman told me the second one was correct |
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| 04:23.17 | kijjaz | Coweater: as root, i sane-find-scanner -> # No SCSI scanners found, found USB scanner.. |
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| 04:23.50 | kijjaz | Coweater: i tried scanimage -L -> device `plustek:libusb:002:002' is a Canon LiDE25 USB flatbed scanner .. so it's now detected? |
| 04:23.50 | Yarou | err, where is fpl located? |
| 04:24.07 | Coweater | yeah, probably group/permissions problem, try it |
| 04:26.03 | kijjaz | Coweater: now, running xsane as root, it allows me heheh. thanks. i think after rebooting, it'd work fine with users. |
| 04:26.23 | Coweater | no reboot, if you added yourself to the group just log out and back in |
| 04:26.52 | kijjaz | Coweater: oh!! just log out and back in.. okay. that should do! |
| 04:27.13 | Yarou | hmm |
| 04:27.15 | Yarou | what is fpl? |
| 04:27.38 | woodgrain | yo, I'm running debian stable, can I add an unstable sources-list to /etc/apt/sources-list to get a newer version of some software? |
| 04:27.49 | woodgrain | and just let apt-get fix the dependencies?? |
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| 04:28.03 | Yarou | i need to know where it is located |
| 04:29.48 | silly_girl22 | what happened to xgl and compiz? they were in the repositories for debian unstable and now they are gone. |
| 04:30.11 | silly_girl22 | does anyone have them in their repos? |
| 04:30.20 | Yarou | where is libfpl? |
| 04:30.45 | silly_girl22 | Yarou: updatedb;locate libfpl |
| 04:31.10 | kijjaz | My scanner works now.. Thanks! |
| 04:31.32 | craigevil | compiz is still showing up in unstable |
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| 04:43.33 | THX-1138 | pardon the plenk |
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| 04:45.07 | MrKeuner | hi, which utility was it that was checking the original md5sums of binaries that came out of debian packages? |
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| 04:48.29 | silly_girl22 | how can i get a new sources.list |
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| 04:56.21 | silly_girl22 | oh my boyfriend might have been on my account |
| 04:57.49 | silly_girl22 | is sarge stable, etch unstable, and sid testing? |
| 04:58.09 | silly_girl22 | because im supposed to choose testing unstable or stable for apt-spy |
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| 05:01.43 | adEe | how do you remove symlink? |
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| 05:02.43 | dondelelcaro | adEe: with rm. |
| 05:03.38 | adEe | ic |
| 05:03.42 | adEe | how do you relink |
| 05:03.51 | MrKeuner | hi, which utility was it that was checking the original md5sums of binaries that came out of debian packages? |
| 05:04.01 | adEe | i was trying to link linux and linux-2.6.18 |
| 05:04.03 | dondelelcaro | adEe: with ln. |
| 05:04.07 | adEe | i know |
| 05:04.09 | adEe | how |
| 05:04.11 | adEe | i read the man |
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| 05:04.27 | dondelelcaro | adEe: ln target linkname -s; FE. |
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| 05:07.54 | adEe | dondelelcaro: drwxr-sr-x 2 root src 4096 2006-10-05 01:06 linux |
| 05:07.58 | adEe | it didn't link |
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| 05:09.35 | dondelelcaro | adEe: what was the command that you ran? what is the ls -l output for both the target and the linkname? |
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| 05:10.36 | adEe | i ran: ls linux-2.6.18 linux -s |
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| 05:11.23 | dondelelcaro | adEe: that isn't going to work, because linux is already a directory. You created a linux-2.6.18 link in the linux/ directory. |
| 05:11.36 | dondelelcaro | (and I sure hope you mean ln, not ls.) |
| 05:12.15 | adEe | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 21 2006-10-05 01:10 linux -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.18 |
| 05:12.49 | adEe | what you think? |
| 05:12.49 | silly_girl22 | how do i get rid of knetattach? it came with k3b or one of its dependencies and dpkg -l doesnt show it installed. |
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| 05:13.45 | adEe | dondelelcaro: i got it |
| 05:14.04 | Sy_Dan | anybody no which network card driver to use in etch installer for a linksys card? or where to look? |
| 05:14.04 | wakejagr_ | what does the "wa" portion of cpu usage stand for in top? i can't seem to find it in the man page |
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| 05:14.19 | dondelelcaro | wakejagr_: iowait. |
| 05:14.27 | wakejagr_ | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 05:14.41 | wakejagr_ | that explains things |
| 05:15.16 | dondelelcaro | Sy_Dan: depends on the linksys card. In most cases, the etch installer should load the driver automatically. |
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| 05:16.57 | Sy_Dan | dondelelcaro: thats wot it normally does for me, but for some reason this time its not auto-detecting the nic, its asking me to select the driver manually. i figured i could just use a driver from a similar card. |
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| 05:19.19 | goodshit | sup |
| 05:19.31 | goodshit | i got a netgear wag511 wireless card. |
| 05:19.31 | goodshit | <goodshit1> under kismet.conf . what do i put under source= |
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| 05:20.06 | adEe | any idea what went wrong: |
| 05:20.08 | adEe | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3937 |
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| 05:23.59 | silly_girl22 | how can i regenerate my /etc/mail/sendmail.cf after changing my /etc/mail/sendmail.mc? |
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| 05:28.45 | dondelelcaro | Sy_Dan: check the console to see if it already detected the card; if you're in expert mode it'll ask you that question. |
| 05:29.01 | THX-1138 | I downloaded a mp4 file from the old screensavers tv show group. They are on http://dl.tv now. The file is marked executable and resists chmod and chown. I might be using the command incorrectly. chmod +r /path/to/file.mp4 |
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| 05:29.42 | wols_ | THX-1138: try chmod 644 file |
| 05:29.48 | groove | hi, anyone got experience with I/O profiling under 2.6 kernels? |
| 05:30.00 | THX-1138 | wols_ - Thanks. |
| 05:30.13 | groove | specifically disk I/O profiling |
| 05:30.24 | dondelelcaro | adEe: you need to point at a linux include directory that actually has the headers corresponding to your running kernel, not whatever is in /usr/src/linux/include now. |
| 05:30.32 | Sy_Dan | dondelelcaro: thaxs, will do. um is expert mode "expert" at the install prompt? |
| 05:30.39 | dondelelcaro | Sy_Dan: yeah |
| 05:30.46 | Sy_Dan | sweet |
| 05:31.06 | THX-1138 | wols_ - Any ideas on toolshow to investigate this file? |
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| 05:31.32 | THX-1138 | (sent a frinedly email to the site admin already.) |
| 05:31.48 | dondelelcaro | THX-1138: were you able to download the file? |
| 05:32.15 | adEe | dondelelcaro: how do i know where my include files are? |
| 05:32.32 | THX-1138 | dondlecaro - Yes, the divx version has the same interesting problem with perms |
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| 05:33.31 | dondelelcaro | THX-1138: the permissions the downloaded files have is purely a function of your umask and what you use to download them |
| 05:34.55 | THX-1138 | Okay, i am learning something then. downloaded it normaly using firefox. - should i check FF for problems? |
| 05:35.54 | dondelelcaro | THX-1138: nah; what permisions does the file you downloaded have? |
| 05:36.34 | THX-1138 | 1600-770 |
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| 05:37.47 | wols_ | THX-1138: and owned by your user a presume? |
| 05:37.49 | dondelelcaro | eh? |
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| 05:38.05 | dondelelcaro | I'll believe 770, 660 or 666, but I won't believe 1666. |
| 05:38.19 | silly_girl22 | how many repos do i need? |
| 05:38.22 | wols_ | THX-1138: the "1600" part is a bit suspicious |
| 05:38.25 | THX-1138 | dondlecaro - Can i find a checksum for my kernel and for the firefox executable posted somewhere? - more likely to be my machine tha the server. - at least should remove that possibility right? |
| 05:38.42 | wols_ | silly_girl22: depemnds what you want |
| 05:39.03 | wols_ | a branch (sarge, etch or sid) and a security one for sarge |
| 05:39.09 | THX-1138 | nvm - I have the kernel. |
| 05:39.26 | deadcat | how do i deal with a .daa file? damn windows stuff i think. |
| 05:39.26 | wols_ | THX-1138: remove that whacky number possibility first |
| 05:39.35 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: if X broken on your ibook? |
| 05:39.40 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: no |
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| 05:39.44 | deadcat | oh damn |
| 05:39.45 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, not currently)( |
| 05:39.54 | dondelelcaro | however, 2.6.18 is a POC. |
| 05:40.23 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/ibook.xorg0.log this is what i get. |
| 05:40.27 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: why is it a POC? |
| 05:40.36 | silly_girl22 | compiz and xgl must have caused problems and not passed the test because they have been removed from the etch testing repositories |
| 05:41.02 | dondelelcaro | wols_: somewhere in around rc2 a bunch of bugs were introduced that cause random failures on this powerbook |
| 05:41.07 | deadcat | silly_girl22: wtf. compiz in etch already? no freakin way |
| 05:41.22 | dondelelcaro | (most likely in a driver, but I haven't had a chance to debug it) |
| 05:41.24 | silly_girl22 | it was earlier today, but not anymore |
| 05:41.39 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: you're missing xfonts-base |
| 05:41.45 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ah. |
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| 05:42.04 | dondelelcaro | could not open default font 'fixed' <-- that's the error. |
| 05:42.09 | deadcat | silly_girl22: because compiz only got into unstable few days ago. |
| 05:42.43 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i hae that pkg already |
| 05:42.50 | silly_girl22 | if i had xgl installed through alien, would it show when i did an apt-cache search xgl? |
| 05:43.00 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: then your font paths are wrong |
| 05:43.11 | silly_girl22 | dondelelcaro: theres a lot about that. do a google search. |
| 05:43.12 | deadcat | silly_girl22: if you use alien, you on your own. |
| 05:43.36 | silly_girl22 | i dont want to use alien. i want those packages back that were in the repositories earlier today. |
| 05:43.37 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: you need /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc; |
| 05:43.47 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: in your font path... |
| 05:44.00 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: oh. i thought its all using /usr/lib/X11/fonts |
| 05:44.02 | dondelelcaro | silly_girl22: uh... yes... I'm well aware of the causes of not having a fixed font. |
| 05:44.12 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: nah; that went away in the modular transition |
| 05:44.20 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: DAMN |
| 05:44.41 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: so its all /usr/share/fonts/X11 instead of /usr/lib/X11 right? |
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| 05:44.57 | silly_girl22 | deadcat: check and see if compiz or xgl are in your repos now because i might have some bad repos |
| 05:45.12 | deadcat | silly_girl22: compiz is in my unstable repo. |
| 05:45.19 | deadcat | silly_girl22: no xgl |
| 05:45.27 | silly_girl22 | deadcat: when did you run apt-get update |
| 05:45.30 | deadcat | silly_girl22: check gravityboy.livejournal.com |
| 05:45.47 | silly_girl22 | deadcat: it must not be in testing yet |
| 05:46.00 | dondelelcaro | silly_girl22: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=compiz is pretty authoritative... |
| 05:46.15 | dondelelcaro | !why compiz is not in testing yet |
| 05:46.15 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, dondelelcaro |
| 05:46.40 | dondelelcaro | !why compiz is not in testing |
| 05:46.40 | dpkg | compiz is not in testing for the reasons list in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=compiz |
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| 05:47.48 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: thanks. it WAS the fonts. (= |
| 05:47.59 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: better update my desktop xorg.conf as well. |
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| 05:49.01 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: oh.. my desktop xorg.conf is updated.. maybe i forgot to mess with the laptop xorg.conf. heheh. |
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| 05:51.13 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: why do i get fail to initialize AGP though? disabling the DRI |
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| 05:51.36 | Werdna | fucking hell |
| 05:51.38 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i want to see AIGLX enabled in xorg. |
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| 06:00.04 | `ns` | a yo-yo from wizardry ? |
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| 06:00.53 | Guerin | !nospambot |
| 06:00.53 | dpkg | somebody said nospambot was http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds |
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| 06:02.36 | wols_ | WerdnaServer: stop that shit already. if you can't figure out how to KEEP your nick by now you're a hopeless case |
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| 06:06.56 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: can you please kick either WerdnaServer or werdna_ for spamming the channel? |
| 06:07.35 | Guerin | !nospambot |
| 06:07.35 | dpkg | well, nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds |
| 06:07.38 | Guerin | is your friend |
| 06:08.50 | wols_ | Guerin: it makes the channel unusable for all the poor souls who don't run irssi |
| 06:09.11 | Guerin | wols_: irc is pretty much that way anyhow |
| 06:09.13 | wols_ | 90% of my screen is the idiocy WerdnaServer generates here |
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| 06:09.30 | wols_ | ok. mor unusable than usually then |
| 06:12.16 | ma3x | anyone can help about this one? |
| 06:12.23 | ma3x | ma3x:/etc/apache2# /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 06:12.23 | ma3x | Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...apache2: Syntax error on line 185 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: API module structure `php5_module' in file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so is garbled - perhaps this is not an Apache module DSO? |
| 06:12.23 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:13.10 | Guerin | ma3x: the error explains EXACTLY what the fucking problem is |
| 06:13.34 | Guerin | ma3x: the error COULD NOT POSSIBLY be any more explicit |
| 06:13.51 | Guerin | fucking hell |
| 06:14.31 | wols_ | ma3x: have you checked BTS? |
| 06:15.40 | ma3x | Guerin, it explains, it doesn't suggest a solution |
| 06:16.24 | wols_ | ma3x: what are you running? |
| 06:16.24 | groove | it's an error message, not a psychologist |
| 06:16.31 | Guerin | ma3x: one of two things is true: 1. you're running sid and it broke; 2. you fucked it up |
| 06:16.31 | ma3x | wols_, apache2 & php5 |
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| 06:16.44 | wols_ | ma3x: duh. i can see that |
| 06:16.46 | ma3x | Guerin, no I didn't do that. |
| 06:16.48 | Guerin | ma3x: if 1, you should be able to fix shit yourself |
| 06:16.50 | wols_ | which debian? |
| 06:16.56 | ma3x | sid |
| 06:16.57 | Guerin | ma3x: if 2, unfuck what ypou fucked |
| 06:17.05 | Guerin | ma3x: bingo motherfucker |
| 06:17.14 | ma3x | yeah |
| 06:17.19 | Guerin | ma3x: you're on your own |
| 06:17.21 | ma3x | I mean you can't expect me to fix every damn problem |
| 06:17.26 | wols_ | ma3x: zhink next time before you answer and LIE |
| 06:17.26 | ma3x | something I know, something I dont |
| 06:17.28 | Guerin | ma3x: yes, we can |
| 06:17.33 | Xorm | <Guerin> ma3x: yes, we can |
| 06:17.34 | wols_ | we CAN since you're running Sid |
| 06:17.35 | Guerin | ma3x: sid users should be able to |
| 06:17.37 | ma3x | wols_, lie what? |
| 06:17.44 | Guerin | sid users who can't shouldn't use sid |
| 06:17.47 | wols_ | 08:16 < Guerin> ma3x: one of two things is true: 1. you're running sid 08:16 < ma3x> Guerin, no I didn't do that. |
| 06:17.59 | ma3x | wols_, I meant i didn't fuck it up |
| 06:18.01 | wols_ | ma3x: so stop please lying and run at most testing |
| 06:18.06 | wols_ | ma3x: the learn to read? |
| 06:18.12 | wols_ | !tell ma3x about sid |
| 06:18.18 | ma3x | well dude |
| 06:18.20 | ma3x | you can't know EVERYTHING |
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| 06:18.29 | ma3x | even if about sid |
| 06:18.34 | ma3x | you can't fix everything yourself |
| 06:18.40 | ma3x | unless you know everything about it |
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| 06:18.54 | Crell | Well I don't, which is why I'm here to ask. :-) |
| 06:19.00 | Guerin | i have yet to find a sid problem I can't fix |
| 06:19.07 | Guerin | given enough time, swearing and beer |
| 06:19.24 | ma3x | yeah, I would fix it then too |
| 06:19.32 | mike_m | anybody know why i would get 'Fontconfig warning: line 32: unknown element "cachedir"' when starting programs using fontconfig? |
| 06:19.35 | ma3x | but that's why I asked here, if you can suggest a shortway |
| 06:19.40 | ma3x | if not, okay |
| 06:19.44 | Guerin | ma3x: I suggest you check the BTS, like the man said. |
| 06:20.00 | Guerin | !warnings |
| 06:20.00 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 06:20.00 | ma3x | ok |
| 06:20.05 | Guerin | mike_m: ^ |
| 06:20.32 | ma3x | Guerin, bts of apache2 or php5? |
| 06:20.32 | mike_m | GecKo: yes, but it didn't happen before i dist-upgraded today |
| 06:20.39 | GecKo | ok |
| 06:20.40 | Crell | Hi folks. I'm running a sid system, and ran an update/upgrade earlier tonight. After a reboot, X refuses to start. startx gives an error that module v4l does not exist, and module kbd has a module requirement mismatch. |
| 06:20.42 | GecKo | that's fantastic. |
| 06:20.56 | Guerin | ma3x: anything preventing you from checking both? |
| 06:20.58 | mike_m | and it's happening when i run Wine, and would like it to go away... i'm a Wine developer |
| 06:21.00 | Guerin | GecKo: that's sid. |
| 06:21.19 | Guerin | mike_m: does it still work? |
| 06:21.25 | Crell | I tried downgrading the kbd module to testing, but aptitude says it cannot find a testing version of it. |
| 06:21.31 | mike_m | Guerin: works fine, but is very distracting |
| 06:21.52 | mike_m | Guerin: there's actually 6 lines of warnings |
| 06:21.58 | Guerin | mike_m: well, those are the sorts of errors I ignore, so I'm afarid I can't help. |
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| 06:22.35 | ma3x | Guerin, didnt find anything about that syntax error. maybe I filtered wrong?? |
| 06:22.42 | mike_m | Guerin: ok. thanks for trying. |
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| 06:22.56 | Crell | Downgrading the v4l module wants to, once again, remove nvidia-glx (why?) but leave everything else the same. |
| 06:23.00 | Crell | Any idea what's broken? |
| 06:23.08 | Crell | besides the obvious v4l... |
| 06:23.11 | mike_m | Guerin: i don't think i've changed anything with font configuration... so other people may be seeing the same thing |
| 06:23.22 | Guerin | mike_m: maybe you're the first person to find it. run reportbug. Looks like the error is in php5. Your diagnostics should start at purging and reinstalling that package. |
| 06:23.41 | Guerin | mike_m: probably. I get font warnings all the time. |
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| 06:23.51 | Guerin | mike_m: bah, that last for ma3x |
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| 06:24.04 | mike_m | Guerin: ok... |
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| 06:24.25 | ma3x | Guerin, okie thanks |
| 06:24.42 | Crell | Trying to downgrade xorg core says the same. Keep it all at current versions but remove nvidia-glx again. |
| 06:25.04 | Guerin | Crell: let it remove nvidia-glx and change your x server module to nv |
| 06:25.31 | Guerin | Crell: nvidia-glx is surplus to testing requirements, don't use it until you'vre sure it's not causing the problem. |
| 06:25.31 | Crell | Guerin: Swell. And lose 3D support once again. |
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| 06:25.42 | Crell | Is there some way to check in advance if something is going to break such a fragile system? |
| 06:25.56 | Guerin | Crell: it's a control variable. If removing it fixes things, it's not debian's problem. |
| 06:26.07 | Guerin | Crell: if it doesn't, proceed with your investigation. |
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| 06:26.13 | Guerin | Crell: welcome to Life With Sid. |
| 06:26.28 | Guerin | Crell: andf life in the thrall of evil nvidia motherfuckers. |
| 06:26.55 | Crell | They're still better than ATI, in my experience. :-/ |
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| 06:28.20 | wols_ | ma3x: next time look harder in BTS |
| 06:28.23 | Crell | ... OK, when aptitude says it's removing one package, WHY does it then remove kernel images it doesn't like and rerun GRUB? |
| 06:28.33 | wols_ | that is if you urun apache2.2 which is the current install candidate |
| 06:28.36 | ma3x | wols_, where? what package? is there a fix? |
| 06:28.38 | Crell | And then go on to remove initramfs-tools, busybox, and others? |
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| 06:29.12 | Werdna | mexcellent |
| 06:29.16 | Werdna | and now we play the waiting game |
| 06:29.27 | ma3x | wols_, leave me some information. is there a fix? i'll catch up later on that. thanks |
| 06:29.48 | wols_ | ma3x: I will not help in your laziness |
| 06:30.50 | Guerin | wols_: why is your client so fucking retarded? |
| 06:30.53 | Guerin | Werdna: |
| 06:30.58 | Werdna | yeeees? |
| 06:31.02 | Crell | This is good. |
| 06:31.07 | Werdna | ah |
| 06:31.08 | Guerin | why is your client so fucking retarded? |
| 06:31.10 | Crell | Starting kdm now gives me out of scan range errors on the monitor. |
| 06:31.10 | Werdna | no, it's a script |
| 06:31.19 | Werdna | I've been doing some small modifications to it |
| 06:31.24 | Werdna | it's not going to talk in-channel |
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| 06:32.16 | Guerin | Crell: don't use kdm |
| 06:32.25 | Guerin | Crell: kill kdm and use startx |
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| 06:32.30 | wols_ | Crell: at least not while testing your setup |
| 06:32.47 | Crell | startx started up fine as root, and gave me Gnome. |
| 06:32.48 | tralala | and while we are at it don't use X at all or computers for that matter |
| 06:32.59 | Crell | So I exited that and started kdm. That gave me scan range errors. |
| 06:33.04 | Guerin | Crell: run startkde as user |
| 06:33.17 | JimPanic | Wowowow, don't ya panic! :o |
| 06:33.24 | wols_ | tralala: ever heard of "KISS" when debugging problems? |
| 06:33.26 | Guerin | kdm should theoretically use your normal x config as well |
| 06:33.44 | karsten | Guerin: Suggestion: startx /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator, switch to VC7, run 'startkde' in terminal |
| 06:33.46 | Crell | Which should be valid, still. All I did was switch nvidia to nv. (I've done that dozens of times before.) |
| 06:33.51 | Guerin | tralala: argumentatum ad absurdum gets you laughed at |
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| 06:34.00 | karsten | Guerin: ... which I tried walking someone through yesterday but they couldn't grok the concept. |
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| 06:34.11 | Guerin | karsten: heh |
| 06:34.34 | karsten | Guerin: ... or follow directions. BTW, buy madduck's book, it's good. |
| 06:34.49 | Guerin | madduck wrote a book? |
| 06:35.01 | karsten | Guerin: yes |
| 06:35.03 | Guerin | that's not the debian bible, is it? |
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| 06:35.08 | wols_ | karsten: title? |
| 06:35.16 | goodshit | hi |
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| 06:35.25 | goodshit | anyone konw if debian xwindos have build in kismet and airsnort? |
| 06:35.33 | goodshit | or you gotta install those |
| 06:35.36 | tarjeih | hi, ist there a way with debian-testing to have both apache2-dev and apache-dev installed? |
| 06:35.38 | goodshit | does debian pacakge come with it? |
| 06:35.42 | TravisBarker | I just spend an hour convincing a windows user _not_ to switch to linux |
| 06:35.44 | karsten | Guerin: wols_: _The Debian System_ http://debiansystem.info/ |
| 06:35.48 | Guerin | goodshit: kismet and airsnort are not part of xwindows anywhere |
| 06:35.56 | karsten | !tell goodshit about install |
| 06:36.01 | goodshit | guerin i gotta install it? |
| 06:36.02 | karsten | !tell goodshit about installit |
| 06:36.06 | tralala | Guerin: if adivce of the kind "don't use kdm" will win me respect... well I'd better be laughed at |
| 06:36.23 | goodshit | can i install those |
| 06:36.26 | Guerin | tralala: if you look at the context, it's quite reasonable |
| 06:36.28 | goodshit | using the port |
| 06:36.36 | goodshit | or whatever debian uses :) |
| 06:36.36 | wols_ | tralala: you don't know at all why Guerin told him that, right? |
| 06:37.03 | goodshit | anyone know what linux distro have build in kismet and airsnort? |
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| 06:37.07 | tralala | wols_: I don't know the context, yes |
| 06:37.11 | wols_ | goodshit: what has kismet and airsnort to do with your GUI? Do you know how to install stuff in debian? |
| 06:37.27 | wols_ | tralala: then why are you making unqualified comments? |
| 06:37.34 | goodshit | wols. well i'm learning.. |
| 06:37.38 | Guerin | goodshit: your question is irrelevant, since in any reasonable distro installing them is 30 seconds wor |
| 06:37.41 | Crell | OK, well, when I started kdm, it killed my text window, too. |
| 06:37.41 | Guerin | l |
| 06:37.44 | Guerin | k |
| 06:37.55 | goodshit | geurin so i can install those in 30sec? |
| 06:37.55 | Guerin | !lose tralala |
| 06:37.55 | dpkg | tralala: You Lose. |
| 06:37.58 | Crell | It's just a series of vertical lines. |
| 06:37.59 | wols_ | goodshit: then learn how to install stuff first |
| 06:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 629] by debhelper |
| 06:38.07 | Guerin | goodshit: depends on your internet connection |
| 06:38.14 | goodshit | well right now i'm using HLAK |
| 06:38.21 | goodshit | that one is base on the debian linux |
| 06:38.27 | goodshit | thats why i came in here |
| 06:38.35 | wols_ | goodshit: then ask HLAK people for help not us |
| 06:38.37 | wols_ | !based on debian |
| 06:38.38 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 06:38.40 | goodshit | i seee :) |
| 06:38.45 | Crell | goodshit: aptitude install kismet airsnort |
| 06:38.55 | Crell | But yeah, ask in an HLAK channel. They'd know better. |
| 06:38.59 | wols_ | Crell: do you know if HLAK has aptitude? |
| 06:39.01 | goodshit | ok thanks.. |
| 06:39.13 | Guerin | goodshit: hax that mainframe! |
| 06:39.16 | Crell | wols_: No idea. I started typing that before he said he was using a different distro. :-) |
| 06:39.19 | goodshit | no one in #hlak |
| 06:39.33 | Guerin | !nmfp |
| 06:39.33 | dpkg | somebody said nmfp was Not My Fucking Problem |
| 06:39.34 | goodshit | what about cenTOS |
| 06:39.35 | wols_ | goodshit: still doesn't mean we can help you |
| 06:39.47 | Crell | centOS is a Red Hat derivative. |
| 06:39.48 | goodshit | can centos install kismet |
| 06:39.50 | Sy_Dan | new linux distro at www.tubgirl.com!!!! |
| 06:39.54 | wols_ | goodshit: ask #centos then. Only time we can help you if you run genuine debian |
| 06:40.01 | goodshit | ok.. |
| 06:40.05 | goodshit | let me run geniune debian then |
| 06:40.11 | goodshit | can i download the .iso |
| 06:40.23 | sep | wols_, genunin leave a foul taste on the tounge |
| 06:40.33 | Crell | goodshit: Any distro that CAN'T install kismet is a POS incomplete system that you don't want to use. Pretty much any serious distro will let you install it. Details for doing so depend on the distribution. |
| 06:40.37 | pitillo | goodshit, may be are you using phlak instead of hlak? there a channel for that distro. |
| 06:40.40 | wols_ | sep: I just *could't* resist :) |
| 06:40.43 | sep | after m$ abuse of the word :) |
| 06:40.49 | sep | hehehehe |
| 06:41.09 | pitillo | s/there a/ there is a |
| 06:41.24 | wols_ | goodshit: dpkg msged you two factoids. it will explain how to install debian |
| 06:41.24 | goodshit | thank... |
| 06:41.56 | wols_ | TravisBarker: could you please start your convincing again. I think we'd need it |
| 06:42.14 | Crell | How can I tell what runlevel I'm in? |
| 06:42.21 | wols_ | run "runlevel" |
| 06:42.27 | Crell | Thanks. |
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| 06:42.48 | _bernie | hello, I am trying to remove spamass-milter and I always get errors http://pastebin.ca/191684 |
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| 06:44.58 | Crell | This is good. Now startx as my own user gives an out of scan range error. |
| 06:45.41 | wols_ | Crell: is drxx giving you a chance to select the monitor? |
| 06:45.48 | Crell | drxx? |
| 06:45.52 | wols_ | !drxx |
| 06:45.53 | dpkg | it has been said that drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 06:46.29 | Crell | Ah. I didn't run it, I just edited the config file directly. |
| 06:46.52 | Crell | As I said, I've switched from nv to nvidia or back dozens of times as nvidia breaks or is fixed, and the scan range has never been an issue that I recall. |
| 06:47.01 | wols_ | !xmd5 |
| 06:47.02 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. See <Xorgmd5> if you are running <Xorg> |
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| 06:47.43 | Crell | ! Xorgmd5 |
| 06:47.44 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work, To see if this is the case 'md5sum -c /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum' - if this files differ, then dpkg-reconfigure will not overwrite your existing xorg.conf. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've made |
| 06:52.40 | Crell | OK, so the default guesses from drxx didn't work. |
| 06:52.56 | Crell | Why I don't know... They have in the past, and this is a standard monitor setup[. |
| 06:53.06 | bonez39 | I run apt-cache search xserrver-xorg and it doesn't find anything to install...WHY? |
| 06:53.18 | Crell | Try it with one R in server. |
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| 06:53.44 | bonez39 | CRELL.....OK, I meant with just one r...the r key on this keyboard is sticky...... |
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| 06:53.55 | Guerin | bonez39: running sarge? |
| 06:53.59 | Crell | :-) Just cghecking. |
| 06:54.05 | Crell | checking. (See?) |
| 06:54.14 | _bernie | hello, I am trying to remove spamass-milter and I always get an error http://pastebin.ca/191684 |
| 06:54.49 | telexicon | im trying to use su -... but it keeps telling me the password is incorrect yet i am completely sure the password is correct any ideas why it would do this? |
| 06:54.52 | wols_ | _bernie: how do you know the package is actually installed? |
| 06:55.34 | _bernie | wols_ dpkg -l|grep spamass-milter say me "ri" |
| 06:55.50 | mike_m | telexicon: because the password is incorrect? :) |
| 06:55.56 | bonez39 | Guerin, hmm hold |
| 06:55.57 | telexicon | no, sudo works with that password |
| 06:56.08 | telexicon | ive set sudo to ask for root password upon use |
| 06:56.20 | Guerin | telexicon: that's the stupidest thing ever |
| 06:56.21 | bonez39 | Guerin, yeah, sarge |
| 06:56.23 | wols_ | _bernie: "r" as in "REMOVED" ? |
| 06:56.30 | Guerin | bonez39: xserver-xfree86 |
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| 06:56.42 | telexicon | well they told me not to use su |
| 06:56.43 | bonez39 | Guerin, that's what I have installed now.... |
| 06:57.00 | Guerin | telexicon: who are 'they' and why do you believe them? |
| 06:57.02 | wols_ | bonez39: there is no xorg in sarge |
| 06:57.04 | _bernie | ok but the next "i" ? |
| 06:57.11 | telexicon | 'they' were in this channel the other day |
| 06:57.13 | wols_ | _bernie: config files |
| 06:57.19 | _bernie | ok |
| 06:57.23 | Guerin | telexicon: 'they' are fucking idiots |
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| 06:57.31 | bonez39 | wols_, where is there xorg then, for debian? |
| 06:57.31 | jgalvez | hi. I tried to use apt-pinning to add some packages to my debian sarge, and at this point i've hosed it so much that i'm pretty sure that starting with a fresh sarge is a better way to fix the package problems than to unravel what i actually did with apt-pinning. the ideal would bea clean install but keeping /home and /var/www intact. can apt doe this? |
| 06:57.33 | _bernie | and If I am trying ls -la `which spamass-milter` , the file is present on my system |
| 06:57.36 | telexicon | ok so should i just use su then? |
| 06:57.39 | Guerin | telexicon: purge sudo. Make sure /etc/sudoers is gone |
| 06:57.42 | wols_ | bonez39: backports, etch, sid |
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| 06:57.53 | Guerin | telexicon: then /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 06:58.00 | wols_ | telexicon: you can use anything you wish. this is not ubuntu |
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| 06:58.06 | Guerin | telexicon: follow the instructions to reset the root password |
| 06:58.13 | Crell | Great. Now on boot, it keeps giving errors about a USB device. |
| 06:58.13 | telexicon | i know the root password |
| 06:58.17 | bonez39 | wols_, I'll wait then |
| 06:58.19 | telexicon | because i can login as root |
| 06:58.24 | Guerin | telexicon: can you log in as root at a console? |
| 06:58.25 | telexicon | i just cant su to root |
| 06:58.28 | telexicon | yes |
| 06:58.36 | Guerin | telexicon: then you've fucked something up horribly |
| 06:58.43 | enouf | joins in on the kicking of Crell's box |
| 06:58.46 | _bernie | wols : I would like to remove it, because since I have installed it, my debian freeze |
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| 06:58.50 | telexicon | but i am using a wheel group.. so i can get to root over ssh because i disabled root logons through ssh |
| 06:58.56 | Guerin | BAH |
| 06:58.57 | Crell | No one kicks my computer but ME! |
| 06:59.03 | Guerin | telexicon: why the fuck are you using wheel? |
| 06:59.12 | telexicon | so only my user account can become root |
| 06:59.18 | Guerin | telexicon: turn that wheel shit off |
| 06:59.19 | enouf | !fishsmite Crell |
| 06:59.20 | Crell | Why does wheel exist in the first place, anwyay... |
| 06:59.20 | wols_ | _bernie: config files don't run stuff. you sure it's causing the freezes? after all you run sendmail in the first place... |
| 06:59.22 | telexicon | no |
| 06:59.32 | jgalvez | another question: can anyone share a sources.list file that actually works (for stable/testing/unstable)? several urls from mine are returning 404s. |
| 06:59.39 | enouf | Crell: it doesn;t |
| 06:59.39 | Guerin | telexicon: what's the point, only the people who know the root password can become root |
| 06:59.55 | Crell | Why DID it exist? |
| 06:59.56 | Guerin | telexicon: and anyone with the root passsword can do anything on your box, including change your user password |
| 07:00.02 | wols_ | jgalvez: ftp.XX.debian.org where XX is your country code/TLD |
| 07:00.05 | Crell | Some distros still use it. |
| 07:00.08 | telexicon | thats if they get into my box |
| 07:00.16 | telexicon | however because root logons are disabled over ssh |
| 07:00.21 | Guerin | telexicon: which they can trivially do by ssh or with local access |
| 07:00.44 | telexicon | your logic is flawed |
| 07:00.46 | telexicon | next please |
| 07:00.47 | enouf | Crell: this is not "some distro's" channel .. but curiously .. which ones? |
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| 07:00.52 | Guerin | telexicon: believe me, if they can get a shell and the root password, wheel ain't going to do a goddamn thing. |
| 07:00.54 | wols_ | telexicon: you're funny |
| 07:01.00 | Guerin | telexicon: whatr specifically is flawed in it? |
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| 07:01.10 | telexicon | because they cant login as root directly with ssh |
| 07:01.17 | _bernie | wols: I have in my log some error about spamass-milter who didn't start ... and many many after it freeze, so I think it's spamass-milter the pb, and I am using postfix for the mta |
| 07:01.20 | Crell | enouf: I think Gentoo does, at least. I remember it as an old thing from way back that some systems kept around a while. |
| 07:01.27 | telexicon | hence the wheel group |
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| 07:01.28 | Crell | I know it's not Debian specific, I was just curious. :-) |
| 07:01.29 | Guerin | i think some bsds use wheel too |
| 07:01.35 | telexicon | so they have to go through two passwords |
| 07:01.38 | Guerin | telexicon: irrelevant |
| 07:01.40 | Crell | Yeah. |
| 07:01.41 | telexicon | to get in over ssh |
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| 07:01.53 | telexicon | no its not irrelevant |
| 07:01.53 | wols_ | _bernie: then fix your postfix config so it doesn't run the milter, or rather tries tor un it |
| 07:02.02 | telexicon | because nobody is going to walk into my house and start trying to use my console |
| 07:02.08 | _bernie | wols, ok ok thx |
| 07:02.10 | wols_ | _bernie: postfix will only run it if it's in the postfix config files |
| 07:02.14 | Guerin | telexicon: anyway, whatever., That wheel business is likely the cause of your problems. Sort it out. |
| 07:02.21 | enouf | Crell: In know it existed and perhaps still so on some other *nix flavors .. but GNU/Linux is what I'm interested in |
| 07:02.31 | _bernie | ok wols |
| 07:02.32 | telexicon | ive been using wheel it just changed |
| 07:02.42 | Guerin | telexicon: WHAT just changed? |
| 07:02.55 | telexicon | nevermind |
| 07:02.57 | telexicon | ill fix it myself |
| 07:03.05 | Guerin | ... |
| 07:03.56 | Guerin | wheel had its place on systems which had weak password protections and so on |
| 07:04.01 | wols_ | telexicon: if something really "just changed" on its own, the computer is broken and you need a new one |
| 07:04.04 | Guerin | but it's pointless for a modern multi-user system |
| 07:04.25 | telexicon | it didnt just change |
| 07:04.34 | telexicon | like that.. i meant |
| 07:04.36 | wols_ | then why did you say it then? |
| 07:04.53 | telexicon | something else |
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| 07:05.15 | Crell | OK, I need to sleep. |
| 07:05.21 | Crell | I guess I'll come back to this tomorrow night. |
| 07:05.23 | dmsantam | i want to remove a package, but a pre-removal script is failing. how can i get it to ignore that |
| 07:05.33 | Crell | See you tomorrow, folks. :-) |
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| 07:06.29 | wols_ | dmsantam: paste the output |
| 07:06.55 | dmsantam | subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 07:07.16 | wols_ | dmsantam: that's not all. in fact it's the useless part |
| 07:07.25 | wols_ | jgalvez: stop that |
| 07:07.29 | wols_ | !tell jgalvez about msg |
| 07:07.33 | dmsantam | Removing vmware-player ... |
| 07:07.33 | dmsantam | Stopping VMware services: |
| 07:07.34 | dmsantam | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.34 | dmsantam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:08.20 | jgalvez | wols_: i apologize. |
| 07:09.11 | jgalvez | can anyone share a working sources.list file? via pastebin or something. i know it's silly, but i'm kinda lost here. |
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| 07:09.37 | Guerin | jgalvez: apt-setup |
| 07:09.50 | nocti | how can i see all my connections? |
| 07:10.00 | dmsantam | wols_ http://channels.debian.net/paste/3938 |
| 07:10.13 | wols_ | nocti: netstat -a |
| 07:10.43 | dmsantam | wols_ im not sure why you would need that pasted. my question is simple. if ANY pre-removal script fails, how can i tell apt/dpkg to ignore it |
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| 07:11.10 | hjose | having problemwith 'testing'. |
| 07:11.18 | Guerin | dmsantam: delete it from /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 07:11.57 | wols_ | dmsantam: you cannot tell to ignore it. as Guerin said, you can only edit the /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 07:12.08 | dmsantam | Guerin thanks for that |
| 07:12.09 | Guerin | well |
| 07:12.14 | dmsantam | wols_ so why did you want it pasted? |
| 07:12.14 | wols_ | Guerin: deleting it is a bit too heavy handed |
| 07:12.22 | Guerin | you can delete it, or replace it with something which says /bin/true |
| 07:12.30 | hjose | my 'testing' system tries to connect to the wlan during boot-up but i couldn't find a dhclient script in /etc/init.d. what can be causing it? |
| 07:12.41 | Guerin | wols_: it is sometimes necessary |
| 07:12.52 | wols_ | Guerin: editing is better usually |
| 07:13.01 | Guerin | hjose: man interfaces; look for an 'auto' line |
| 07:13.07 | Guerin | wols_: yeah. |
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| 07:13.20 | hjose | Gurein, will check, thks. |
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| 07:13.44 | Guerin | hjose: look for an 'auto' line in /etc/network/interfaces, i mean |
| 07:15.48 | hjose | Guerin: checked /etc/network/interfaces, nothing other except two comment lines |
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| 07:17.02 | hjose | eh? |
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| 07:19.01 | dimir | koala_man: is that you: http://vidarholen.net/ ? :-) |
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| 07:20.00 | Guerin | hjose: hm, no idea then |
| 07:20.17 | Guerin | hjose: i know nothing specifically about wireless, though. |
| 07:21.54 | groove | anyone got experience with disk I/O profiling under 2.6 kernels? |
| 07:22.14 | Guerin | groove: lkml is probably your friend |
| 07:23.01 | groove | guerin: thanks i'll take a look |
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| 07:26.43 | hjose | still can't figure out my 'testing' tries to connect to wlan during boot. |
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| 07:27.15 | hjose | can anyone help? |
| 07:27.23 | cableroy | Hi, i did a security update on a woody and now sql doesnt start: Error at /etc/rc2.d/S20mysql\nUnknown suffix '/' used for variable 'socket' (value '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock') any suggestion? |
| 07:27.24 | Angel-SL | hi singaporean |
| 07:27.38 | Angel-SL | what do you need? |
| 07:27.45 | Angel-SL | PS, i'm from SG too |
| 07:27.57 | Angel-SL | cableroy: THIS IS NOT #mysql |
| 07:28.02 | wols_ | Angel-SL: wrong window. this is #debian |
| 07:28.20 | Angel-SL | nice coincidence. |
| 07:28.34 | Angel-SL | hjose: ask to ask.... |
| 07:28.34 | cableroy | Angel-SL I don't think its a sql problem |
| 07:28.39 | Angel-SL | hjose: yes? |
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| 07:29.03 | Angel-SL | oh wait |
| 07:29.07 | Angel-SL | thats a rc.d prob |
| 07:29.11 | wols_ | !tell Angel-SL about enter |
| 07:29.16 | Rhizome | anyone know what package in stable for gcc-3.4 adds the gcc symbolic links? |
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| 07:29.28 | cableroy | Angel-SL yes, and the rc scripts are.... debian's? |
| 07:29.31 | wols_ | Rhizome: gcc itself does |
| 07:29.35 | karsten | cableroy: Yes, they are. |
| 07:29.47 | Rhizome | wols_: yea but they just add for gcc-3.3 it seems |
| 07:29.48 | hjose | i have checked through all files in /etc/init.d. no script that starts dhclient. |
| 07:30.05 | hjose | and i have checked /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 07:30.08 | wols_ | Rhizome: the first adds at least. mine is for gcc-4.0 afaik |
| 07:30.13 | cableroy | so why does Angel-SL complain about? hah |
| 07:30.25 | wols_ | cableroy: cause he has no clue |
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| 07:30.32 | karsten | cableroy: Try: bash -x /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 07:30.33 | Angel-SL | em |
| 07:30.35 | cableroy | prolly :) |
| 07:30.42 | karsten | cableroy: ... and look at exactly which command is failing. |
| 07:30.54 | hjose | don't pick on Singaporean. |
| 07:31.24 | Angel-SL | is that called picking? anyway, |
| 07:31.35 | cableroy | Error at /etc/init.d/mysql\nUnknown suffix '\''/'\'' used for variable '\''socket'\'' (value '\''/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'\'') |
| 07:31.40 | Guerin | hjose: singaporeans tend to deserve it |
| 07:31.57 | Angel-SL | lucky i'm a SG P.R. |
| 07:31.58 | karsten | hjose: More than krians? |
| 07:32.04 | Angel-SL | not a SG'ean |
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| 07:32.14 | karsten | Angel-SL: P.R.? |
| 07:32.16 | hjose | Guerin: balls to that. |
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| 07:32.24 | Angel-SL | Permanent Resident? |
| 07:32.25 | hjose | any answer to my q? |
| 07:32.35 | Angel-SL | erm |
| 07:32.49 | Guerin | hjose: just sayin'. |
| 07:32.50 | Angel-SL | whats the normal start up defcon..err |
| 07:33.00 | karsten | hjose: Prolly one of your init scripts. |
| 07:33.14 | wols_ | Angel-SL: runlevel you mean probably. Usually it's 2 |
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| 07:33.16 | Angel-SL | thingy? normal startup levels........erm what is it |
| 07:33.19 | karsten | hjose: You can boot single and run 'em manually to see which. |
| 07:33.21 | Angel-SL | oh right yes 2 |
| 07:33.24 | cableroy | karsten do you have any clue? i don't |
| 07:33.25 | Angel-SL | brb |
| 07:33.36 | hjose | karsten: i thought so. i grep for dhclient and dhcp in the /etc/init.d dir. |
| 07:33.45 | hjose | found nothing. |
| 07:33.53 | wols_ | cableroy: the message gave you aline where the error is. paste that and a few after and before in a paster |
| 07:33.56 | karsten | cableroy: I don't know what your specific problem is, but if run what I suggested you'll have a better idea. |
| 07:34.12 | Angel-SL | hjose: your looking in the wrong place |
| 07:34.20 | Angel-SL | i remember i did that before |
| 07:34.27 | Angel-SL | wait while i check |
| 07:34.27 | hjose | Angel-SL: where shoudl i look? |
| 07:34.32 | cableroy | karsten i did :) |
| 07:34.44 | karsten | hjose: It may be your /etc/network/interfaces config. By *running* the initscripts, one at a time, you can find out which. |
| 07:34.48 | karsten | cableroy: Output? |
| 07:34.54 | karsten | !tell cableroy about paster |
| 07:35.27 | hjose | karsten: have checked /etc/network/interface. it has only two comment lines. |
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| 07:35.46 | karsten | hjose: I'm not entirely sure where wlan starts from. |
| 07:36.02 | Angel-SL | hjost: /etc/init.d/rc2.d |
| 07:36.11 | karsten | hjose: Again: boot single-user, run your init scripts one at a time. Identify which stars wlan. Last time I'll say that. |
| 07:36.17 | cydork | hjose: what are you looking for? i just joined |
| 07:36.18 | karsten | Guerin: What were you saying about singaporeans? |
| 07:36.18 | cableroy | karsten http://channels.debian.net/paste/3939 |
| 07:36.55 | wdamn | Hi, how can I play .ace and .mpc audio files? |
| 07:36.57 | karsten | cableroy: Give me more of that. You show the error but not the trigger. |
| 07:37.11 | karsten | wdamn: What codecs are those? |
| 07:37.18 | karsten | wdamn: Likely marillat archive. |
| 07:37.22 | karsten | !tell wdamn about marillat |
| 07:37.26 | hjose | cydork: my system tries to detect wlan during bootup. i am looking for the startup script that does this. |
| 07:37.46 | hjose | Angel-SL: i have checked there. no help.' |
| 07:37.56 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:37.56 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:38.00 | karsten | cableroy: Post the *entire* output. |
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| 07:38.14 | Guerin | karsten: lee kuan yew is a fascist |
| 07:38.28 | cableroy | karsten trying aint that easy the terminal is so small, running xen console to it |
| 07:38.39 | hjose | Guerin: scared are you? :D |
| 07:38.42 | karsten | cableroy: 2>&1 > logfile |
| 07:38.50 | Guerin | hjose: iut's a bit of a running joke |
| 07:38.55 | karsten | cableroy: Redirect output to a file. |
| 07:39.08 | karsten | Guerin: Seems more like a fleeing joke. |
| 07:39.19 | Guerin | hjose: there's a singaporean guy on here from time to time who is paranoid that lky's black helicopters will come for him |
| 07:39.37 | Guerin | hjose: if we say bad things about the singaporean government |
| 07:39.40 | cableroy | ok brb need a break |
| 07:39.42 | cydork | hjose: if it's not there in the /etc/network/interfaces, you might be using wpasupplicant? |
| 07:39.44 | hjose | they are all purchseed fr the US. |
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| 07:39.58 | Guerin | hjose: i bet they are. |
| 07:40.14 | karsten | dpkg: console paster is yes, virginia, you can use a pastebin website from console. Save any relevant output to a file. Install a console mode browser (elinks, w3m, lynx), and console mouse management (gpm) or screen (screen, RTFM for copy/paste), and sort it out. Remember: help us help you. |
| 07:40.15 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 07:40.30 | karsten | cableroy: ^^ what I just told dpkg. |
| 07:40.39 | hjose | cydork: wpasupplicant? new to me. where to look for it? does not come with aircrack-ng? i have installed that. |
| 07:40.47 | karsten | Guerin: Realized on a break today that we really needed that factoid. Any changes? |
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| 07:41.49 | Angel-SL | hjose: cracks? you mean like pirating software? |
| 07:42.14 | cydork | Angel-SL: nope aircrack-ng is for wep cracking i guess. |
| 07:42.19 | hjose | Angel-SL: haven't heard of aircrack? u r a real angel. |
| 07:42.49 | cydork | hjose: so you haven't installed wireless-tools or wpasupplicant |
| 07:43.12 | enouf | karsten: fwiw - I believe there's a !pastewithoutx |
| 07:43.17 | hjose | cydork: wireless-tools,yes but not wpasupplicant. |
| 07:43.29 | karsten | Angel-SL: aircrack determines WEP keys, etc., for WiFinets. |
| 07:43.40 | enouf | karsten: may want to combine/refine the two .. dunno |
| 07:43.51 | karsten | enouf: Hrm. |
| 07:44.10 | karsten | enouf: Haven't I always struck you as refined? |
| 07:44.40 | enouf | karsten: I'm surprised I can recall ANY of these keywords to get the bot info ... and Yes . you are Fine like Wine! |
| 07:45.16 | cydork | hjose: if you are using wireless-tools, it must have some configration in /etc/network/interfaces. unless you are using some custom script or somethin |
| 07:45.52 | karsten | !karsten |
| 07:45.53 | dpkg | i heard karsten is ladies, run for your lives!, or fine like wine |
| 07:46.00 | karsten | enouf: :-) |
| 07:46.17 | enouf | no shit :-) ... sweet |
| 07:46.27 | hjose | cydork: let me re-check. |
| 07:46.31 | enouf | I didn't know that was there |
| 07:46.42 | cydork | !factinfo karsten |
| 07:46.42 | dpkg | karsten -- last modified 1m 1s ago by karsten!n=karsten@unaffiliated/karsten; it has been requested 2 times, last by karsten, 50s ago. |
| 07:46.49 | enouf | mwahahhaa' |
| 07:47.17 | enouf | tricky gal ... I like that |
| 07:47.21 | cydork | !useless factoid |
| 07:47.21 | dpkg | it has been said that useless factoid is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
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| 07:47.32 | enouf | haha |
| 07:48.33 | karsten | enouf: gal? |
| 07:48.52 | enouf | I hope so .. baby :-) |
| 07:49.00 | karsten | Guerin: Comments? |
| 07:49.11 | enouf | So who;s getting married then? |
| 07:49.12 | karsten | enouf: Get used to dissapointment. |
| 07:49.23 | jasonb | Can someone look on their machine and tell me if there is a stock user with an ID of 46? |
| 07:49.38 | Guerin | karsten ... refined ... like oil |
| 07:49.41 | enouf | only a "gal" would say something like that |
| 07:49.43 | karsten | jasonb: What userid? |
| 07:49.43 | Guerin | slippery customer |
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| 07:49.49 | jasonb | karsten: 46? |
| 07:49.55 | enouf | Guerin: a city slicker - hehe |
| 07:50.04 | hjose | cydork: Guerin: yeh, it was there in /etc/network/interfaces. i have 21 fs on diff partitions. i was previously chekcing on the wrong. one. thks. sorry for the confusion. |
| 07:50.06 | karsten | Guerin: I was looking for something like "refined, like kerosene" or something. |
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| 07:50.13 | Guerin | karsten: well, you got it |
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| 07:50.17 | karsten | jasonb: username. Not UID. |
| 07:50.20 | Guerin | karsten: i left out a joke about lube |
| 07:50.24 | hjose | 2, not 21. |
| 07:50.26 | Angel_SL | !useless factoid |
| 07:50.46 | karsten | jasonb: The only reserved UID is 0. 1-99 are typically assigned to system users, as defined by Debian Policy, but there's no fixed UID mapping. |
| 07:50.47 | jasonb | karsten: What I'm asking is: Is there *any* stock user whose UID is 46? |
| 07:50.48 | cydork | hjose: stit happens! :P |
| 07:50.55 | karsten | jasonb: No. |
| 07:50.57 | cydork | jasonb: no |
| 07:50.58 | karsten | jasonb: There isn't. |
| 07:51.10 | karsten | Guerin: Insert joke about lube ;-) |
| 07:51.11 | hjose | thks, again, got to get back to work. bye. |
| 07:51.14 | jasonb | Ok. Thanks. How about a group ID of 99? |
| 07:51.22 | karsten | jasonb: See above. No, there isn't |
| 07:51.30 | Guerin | karsten: it's not going in. |
| 07:51.32 | Angel_SL | !useless factoid |
| 07:51.32 | dpkg | it has been said that useless factoid is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a user not using Debian |
| 07:51.43 | karsten | jasonb: There are no reserved UIDs / GIDs, other than zero. There are defined ranges. |
| 07:51.58 | karsten | Guerin: Should I force it a little? |
| 07:51.58 | Guerin | jasonb: grep 46 /etc/passwd |
| 07:51.59 | cydork | Angel_SL: /msg dpkg |
| 07:52.02 | jasonb | karsten: I realize they're not necessarily hard coded, but I'm wondering if it is common for there to end up being one of these on installations that are being used. |
| 07:52.11 | jasonb | Guerin: I'd do that if I ran Debian anywhere. :) |
| 07:52.12 | karsten | jasonb: Could very well be. |
| 07:52.13 | Guerin | karsten: might need to use some karsten |
| 07:52.33 | karsten | jasonb: Now if you'd start asking sensible questions or specifying what you're really after, we can help you. |
| 07:52.35 | enouf | cydork: he altered the factoid |
| 07:52.54 | possie | on a system of mine i'm getting lots of iowaits, how can i find out which processes are causing this? |
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| 07:52.59 | cydork | enouf: oh :P |
| 07:53.09 | jasonb | karsten: I'm asking a sensible question from the perspective of being a user of a different distro, so your distro's rules are different and you assume I'm asking a silly question -- I'm not. |
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| 07:53.13 | Guerin | jasonb: oh, if I'd known you were asking hypothetical questions, I'd have given hypothetical answers |
| 07:53.14 | enouf | cydork: change it back .. ot was much funnier |
| 07:53.21 | enouf | it |
| 07:53.28 | karsten | possie: Good question. Three are few good tools for determiing IO usage, though a couple are starting to appear. |
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| 07:53.48 | karsten | jasonb: What specifically are you trying to determine? |
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| 07:54.04 | cableroy | karsten it won't make the file, only the 2 latest lines |
| 07:54.14 | karsten | jasonb: I'm assuming you either do or don't have a UID 46, or a GID 99, and you're trying to figure out what or why. |
| 07:54.20 | karsten | cableroy: Sorry? |
| 07:54.28 | Guerin | jasonb: it's tricky, though. Some packages (ircd) for instance, might install a user with a particular username. I'd guess it wouldn't be a set number, though, just the next in the available UID list |
| 07:54.34 | jasonb | karsten: If a script tries to add a user with an id of 46, will that tend to fail? If there is no way to determine that, then that is itself an answer that would be helpful. |
| 07:54.41 | cydork | !useless factoid |
| 07:54.42 | dpkg | it has been said that useless factoid is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills ubuntu |
| 07:55.03 | Guerin | jasonb: you could test if uid46 is present before trying to do anything |
| 07:55.09 | enouf | cydork: my nigga :-) |
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| 07:55.15 | karsten | jasonb: 46 is a perfectly valid UID. If the UID already exists, you'll have issues, yes. Not sure it will fail, might overwright. |
| 07:55.19 | karsten | overwrite. |
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| 07:55.40 | jasonb | Guerin: Well, yes. I can. I just would like to know what to expect.. I think you've answered that (thanks). |
| 07:55.46 | karsten | possie: Maybe atop? |
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| 07:56.40 | cableroy | karsten http://channels.debian.net/paste/3940 |
| 07:57.06 | karsten | possie: Play with that. I've not used it much. |
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| 07:58.06 | karsten | cableroy: Looks like it's mysqladmin value. |
| 07:58.10 | karsten | cableroy: ... or command. |
| 07:58.30 | karsten | cableroy: Check contents of /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 07:58.31 | cableroy | hm ok |
| 07:58.35 | karsten | cableroy: ... and that it's sensible. |
| 07:58.51 | karsten | cableroy: Try running, by hand: /usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-extra-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping |
| 07:58.57 | karsten | cableroy: ... and see if you get the same error. |
| 07:59.06 | karsten | cableroy: FYI I don't have mysql installed here. |
| 07:59.12 | cableroy | karsten debian.cnf hold, host,user,pass |
| 07:59.13 | cydork | !enter |
| 07:59.13 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
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| 07:59.30 | karsten | cydork: Bite me. |
| 07:59.33 | karsten | cydork: Hard |
| 07:59.34 | cydork | hehh |
| 07:59.36 | karsten | cydork: ... and long. |
| 07:59.53 | cableroy | karsten: |
| 07:59.54 | cableroy | Unknown suffix '/' used for variable 'socket' (value '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock') |
| 08:00.03 | Angel-SL | !tell cableroy about enter |
| 08:00.19 | karsten | cableroy: OK, smells like a bad /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 08:00.22 | Angel-SL | !tell karsten about enter |
| 08:00.30 | karsten | Angel-SL: He's working at console, give him a break. |
| 08:00.44 | cableroy | hm ok i'll look at it |
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| 08:01.03 | karsten | cableroy: Paste it as well. I might not be able to sort it, someone here or in #mysql might. |
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| 08:05.21 | cableroy | karsten pasting the debian.cnf file won't help. hold 3 var's |
| 08:05.33 | karsten | cableroy: Paste it anyway. |
| 08:05.54 | possie | karsten, k just compiled atop, problem is the real performance problems only happen once or twice a day |
| 08:05.56 | cydork | cableroy: just paste the socket variable line |
| 08:06.35 | karsten | possie: they wouldn't happen to be when cron.daily runs, would they? |
| 08:07.06 | cableroy | cydork no socket, only host,user,password |
| 08:07.17 | karsten | cableroy: Interesting. |
| 08:07.20 | cableroy | but the strange thing is, mysqld starts... |
| 08:07.26 | possie | karsten, that's an intrestting point, however it is random each day :-( |
| 08:07.28 | cydork | cableroy: it needs the socket line for sure.. |
| 08:07.37 | cydork | cableroy: which version of debian is this? sid? |
| 08:07.40 | karsten | cableroy: run the earlier by-hand thing, using strace. |
| 08:07.43 | cableroy | hm adding it will not make it work.. |
| 08:07.50 | karsten | possie: desktop, laptop, server, or what? |
| 08:07.58 | cableroy | cydork woody? |
| 08:08.07 | possie | karsten, server |
| 08:08.18 | cydork | cableroy: heheh mysql version? |
| 08:08.28 | karsten | possie: Ok, probably not cron.daily, particularly if you're *not* running anacron. |
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| 08:08.59 | karsten | possie: iostat / vmstat running continuously, logged, will help somewhat. Correlate with a process list. |
| 08:09.05 | possie | karsten, let me double check that, |
| 08:09.19 | karsten | possie: This is an area that is kinda hard to swot. |
| 08:09.22 | cydork | cableroy: also do ll /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 08:09.23 | karsten | possie: What sort of drives? |
| 08:09.30 | cableroy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3941 |
| 08:09.49 | possie | karsten, local ultra 320 disks, but also some SAN drives |
| 08:09.59 | karsten | possie: ultra == scsi? |
| 08:10.01 | possie | karsten, and i think the iowaits happen on the san drives |
| 08:10.06 | karsten | possie: Ah. |
| 08:10.06 | cableroy | karsten srwxrwxrwx 1 mysql mysql 0 Oct 5 09:05 /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock= |
| 08:10.11 | possie | karsten, yeah scsi ultra 320 disks local |
| 08:10.31 | karsten | possie: network performance is a whole 'nother ball of worms. |
| 08:10.34 | cydork | cableroy: take a backup of the file and add socket = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock to debian.cnf and try again |
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| 08:10.47 | karsten | possie: Could be local, network, or server |
| 08:11.09 | karsten | possie: NFS? |
| 08:11.22 | possie | karsten, no shared filesystem, its a SAN so it access the disks on block level |
| 08:11.38 | possie | karsten, i mean "no, it's a shared filesystem" |
| 08:12.05 | karsten | possie: ok. |
| 08:12.11 | karsten | Haven't worked with that. |
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| 08:12.37 | possie | karsten, it's really hard to troubleshoot this, because it could be related to a certain program as well |
| 08:12.44 | karsten | yep. |
| 08:12.55 | karsten | What's the NAS box? |
| 08:13.02 | keith | guys, is there an easy way to see whats taking up space on my box ? id like to list what dirs have alot of data in them |
| 08:13.09 | possie | karsten, i'm wondering if a bash scripts does a lot of "sleep" calls, if that would count as a iowait as well |
| 08:13.12 | karsten | keith: filelight |
| 08:13.15 | possie | karsten, it's not NAS, it's SAN |
| 08:13.18 | keith | karsten: morning |
| 08:13.20 | karsten | keith: ... or 'du -s * | sort -nr | less |
| 08:13.33 | possie | karsten, so every communication to this device happends over fibrechannel |
| 08:13.41 | keith | line 110: key 04s.jones@hayesfield.com: duplicate key |
| 08:13.41 | keith | makemap: virtusertable.db: line 111: key 04s.jones@hayesfield.com: duplicate key |
| 08:13.41 | keith | makemap: virtusertable.db: line 112: key 04s.jones@hayesfield.com: duplicate key |
| 08:13.41 | keith | makemap: virtusertable.db: line 203: key 04c.ward@hayesfield.com: duplicate key |
| 08:13.41 | keith | makemap: virtusertable.db: line 418: key 05k.warren@hayesfield.com: duplicate key |
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| 08:13.43 | cydork | keith: man du even find can do that. |
| 08:13.43 | karsten | possie: ...erm, what's the SAN box. Same question. |
| 08:13.46 | cableroy | karsten same error |
| 08:13.55 | karsten | That was interesting. |
| 08:13.57 | possie | karsten, it's a HP box |
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| 08:14.09 | keith | shit . really sorry |
| 08:14.29 | cydork | keith: now you get spam as punishment :P |
| 08:14.34 | karsten | keith: We'll hunt you down and shoot you next time. |
| 08:14.36 | keith | doh :( |
| 08:14.37 | possie | karsten, btw i also mounted this filesystem with 'noatime' which helped a bit |
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| 08:14.42 | possie | karsten, it's ext3 btw |
| 08:14.47 | karsten | possie: OK. |
| 08:14.59 | keith | such a moron, i even pressed control k in a panic then :s |
| 08:15.56 | karsten | keith: Old news ;-) |
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| 08:23.53 | yage | Is there any way to set a domain based dns? I mean, like bsd resolver, i'd like to use dns 1.2.3.4 for domain .foo |
| 08:27.39 | karsten | yage: Sorry? |
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| 08:28.15 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:28.16 | dpkg | hmm... qotd127 is < runedude> I dont hire any admins. My dad sets up router settings. He has a degree in computers. now shush. Lol. It's not changing, and thats that. |
| 08:31.29 | karsten | tarzeau: How do you feed qotd? |
| 08:31.39 | tarzeau | karsten: i don't know, try !factinfo qotd |
| 08:32.18 | karsten | hrm. |
| 08:32.24 | karsten | Found a few great ones WRT abrotman. |
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| 08:32.36 | faber3 | what command do i need to scan for open UDP ports ? |
| 08:32.40 | tarzeau | karsten: i think i've got links to those. let me find them |
| 08:32.42 | karsten | tarzeau: <abrotman> Phated: i just got 10 inches the other night |
| 08:32.43 | tarzeau | faber3: netstat |
| 08:33.03 | karsten | faber3: Locally: netstat, lsof. Remotely: nmap. |
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| 08:33.30 | faber3 | i am trying nmap, but i dont know what parameter it needs to show open UDP ports |
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| 08:33.52 | wols_ | faber3: "scan" locally or remotely? |
| 08:33.52 | karsten | faber3: Hrm.... |
| 08:34.01 | faber3 | remotely |
| 08:34.10 | yage | karsten, bsd has a file called "resolver" where you can associate a domain with a dns, i mean, like ".loc 1.2.3.4", so, for foo.loc it uses 1.2.3.4 dns |
| 08:34.10 | karsten | faber3: I know. |
| 08:34.32 | karsten | yage: specifying nameservers for specific domains? |
| 08:34.40 | cydork | faber3: -sU check man |
| 08:34.43 | karsten | yage: That sounds ... sorta b0rken. |
| 08:35.37 | wols_ | karsten: guess it's needed for easy non ICANN approved DNS servers |
| 08:36.12 | karsten | wols_: Yeah, maybe. I'd think setting your own DNS server to be authoritative for a given domain might be easier. |
| 08:36.14 | yage | karsten, yeah, this is broken, this is because i have a broken vpn which doesn't pass dhcp information, so i need to use a dns for local domain without using it for others |
| 08:36.15 | keith | for creating web users... do you guys use custom scripts, iv seen a few front ends but they kind of scream "unsecure" to me tbh, |
| 08:36.20 | karsten | wols_: ... or more straightforward. |
| 08:36.39 | yage | karsten, anyway, is that somewhere on linux? |
| 08:36.47 | karsten | keith: I'll generally script / template the user. |
| 08:36.56 | karsten | yage: Never heard of it, nope. |
| 08:37.32 | yage | :) |
| 08:38.00 | karsten | yage: man resolv.conf |
| 08:38.24 | karsten | yage: ... and man (3) resolver |
| 08:38.30 | karsten | yage: Should cover the ground. |
| 08:38.55 | karsten | yage: /etc/resolver in BSD? |
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| 08:41.47 | ViperXL75 | hiyaz... how's the command to install PHP on debian? |
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| 08:41.57 | ViperXL75 | apt-get install php5 ? |
| 08:42.38 | karsten | ViperXL75: You're guessing! |
| 08:42.47 | karsten | !tell ViperXL75 about php5 |
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| 08:42.55 | karsten | !tell ViperXL75 about aptitude |
| 08:43.02 | karsten | ViperXL75: php5 on sarge is in backports, IIRC. |
| 08:43.13 | karsten | !tell ViperXL75 about backports |
| 08:43.32 | karsten | ViperXL75: Any other questions? |
| 08:44.27 | cydork | karsten: too much coffee?? :P |
| 08:44.41 | karsten | cydork: No. Cold tea from PerfDave |
| 08:44.58 | ViperXL75 | ah.... excelent... tx |
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| 08:45.15 | cydork | karsten: :) |
| 08:45.44 | karsten | ViperXL75: NP |
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| 08:47.06 | karsten | !debian book |
| 08:47.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian book is ORA's "Learning Debian GNU/Linux", read it free online @ http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/ |
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| 08:48.00 | multi_io | is the non-US branch deprecated or something? |
| 08:48.00 | karsten | debian book is also, or the much better _The Debian System_ by Martin F. Krafft. |
| 08:48.18 | liable | multi_io: yes |
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| 08:48.26 | karsten | multi_io: Folded into main/contrib/non-free. It was originally created due to US export laws. No longer needed. |
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| 08:48.31 | liable | multi_io: for some time now, since sarge iirc |
| 08:48.43 | karsten | multi_io: Not depricated. No longer exists (etch). Possibly not for sarge either. |
| 08:48.55 | multi_io | ok, thanks |
| 08:49.12 | infoclog | any idea from where i can tune my PS2 mouse ? |
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| 08:49.25 | multi_io | I was starting to wonder where all those Packages files went :-D |
| 08:49.29 | karsten | infoclog: Tune? |
| 08:49.36 | karsten | multi_io: heh. |
| 08:49.45 | karsten | infoclog: 'mousedev' in general. |
| 08:50.04 | karsten | infoclog: Feh. No, not that. |
| 08:50.08 | cydork | infoclog: what do you mean by tune?? |
| 08:50.31 | infoclog | karsten, cydork: the accleration, sensitivty etc. |
| 08:50.35 | karsten | infoclog: mdetect |
| 08:50.51 | infoclog | its behaving erratic.. responds quite slow |
| 08:51.02 | infoclog | i hve a ps2 optical mouse, BTW |
| 08:51.33 | karsten | infoclog: /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-mouse/README.gz |
| 08:52.06 | karsten | infoclog: Option "Resolution" "N" in your X config. N is counts per inch. |
| 08:52.28 | infoclog | well. when you , plug in a usb device such as a USB mouse, do u need to mount that too ( like a cdrom ) |
| 08:52.29 | karsten | infoclog: Not seeing acceleration. Defaults are usually sane fo rme. KDE/GNOME should have mouse config tools. |
| 08:52.44 | karsten | infoclog: No, mouse is automatically detected. |
| 08:52.55 | karsten | infoclog: ... you'll only have to mount it if it's got onboard storage ;-) |
| 08:53.31 | infoclog | so. u mean, when i take out my PS2 mouse and plug it in again, it shud work just fine ? |
| 08:53.47 | karsten | infoclog: Yes. |
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| 08:53.56 | karsten | infoclog: No. |
| 08:54.02 | karsten | infoclog: PS/2 isn't hotpluggable. |
| 08:54.06 | karsten | infoclog: USB is |
| 08:54.08 | infoclog | karsten: it doesnt. |
| 08:54.27 | karsten | infoclog: technically, you can fry your mobo doing that (PS/2), though I've never seen it happen. |
| 08:54.36 | azeem | karsten: in practise, ps/2 seems to be hotpluggable enough, at least for me |
| 08:54.53 | karsten | azeem: I think keyboards have worked for me, mice haven't. |
| 08:54.58 | karsten | azeem: Been a while though ;-) |
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| 08:55.22 | infoclog | i dnt knw.. let me try with the keyboard.. if i do not reply.. u can assume things. !! |
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| 08:55.34 | karsten | infoclog: Heh. |
| 08:55.34 | liable | have heard of people fying stuff hotplugging em |
| 08:55.35 | azeem | we assume things anyway |
| 08:55.40 | karsten | infoclog: ... you've been electrocuted? |
| 08:55.48 | azeem | liable: yeah, I don't say you *should* do it |
| 08:55.59 | azeem | but I sometimes do it nevertheless when being lazy |
| 08:56.04 | karsten | azeem: Shouldn't we be talking about drugs'n'bitches? |
| 08:56.14 | infoclog | Hi guys:) |
| 08:56.26 | wols_ | when I plug in PS/2 after machne is started, it usually isn't recognized.if i have a running machine where I unplug and then plug it in back again, it does work |
| 08:56.26 | infoclog | but i am sure, this was not the case with the mouse |
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| 08:56.29 | karsten | infoclog: How's it going, sparky? |
| 08:56.34 | azeem | and really, I think the fact ps/2 isn't hotpluggable isn't well known outside of tech-savvy circles |
| 08:56.56 | karsten | azeem: You realize what you've done. |
| 08:57.04 | karsten | azeem: You've just redefined tech-savvy ... |
| 08:57.12 | karsten | azeem: ... as someone who knows how to plug in a mouse. |
| 08:57.30 | wols_ | karsten: what's wrong that? It's the truth! |
| 08:57.34 | liable | erm, thats not really what he meant, if i read it right |
| 08:57.35 | azeem | karsten: no, someone who knows you *shouldn't* plug in a mouse when the box is running |
| 08:57.52 | infoclog | karsten : well wht do u mean by automatically detected.. there must be something which is loaded in the kernel when u unplug and plug in the mouse |
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| 08:58.01 | karsten | infoclog: hotplug. |
| 08:58.04 | karsten | !hotplug |
| 08:58.04 | dpkg | hmm... hotplug is a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover, or now replaced by udev in etch+ |
| 08:58.11 | azeem | maybe I had one negation too much and karsten just proved my flawed logic |
| 08:58.48 | karsten | azeem: Have you had your morning coffee yet? |
| 08:58.54 | azeem | doing so |
| 08:59.10 | karsten | azeem: I'll continue to exploit your weakness until it takes full effect. |
| 08:59.49 | nayyares | i have deleted my grub.conf, is there any way to re-generate it? grub-install or setup(hd0) etc. are not working? |
| 08:59.51 | karsten | Pretty spleefy. |
| 09:00.07 | karsten | nayyares: 'update-grub' should do a pretty near job. |
| 09:00.20 | karsten | nayyares: Your 'kopt' line will be what's in /proc/cmdline |
| 09:00.25 | liable | you reckon |
| 09:00.43 | karsten | nayyares: You may need to manually add any other kernels / boot options (eg: dual boot to Windows) manually. |
| 09:00.46 | karsten | liable: ? |
| 09:01.05 | nayyares | karsten, the commands should be executed in rescue mode? |
| 09:01.19 | karsten | nayyares: 'grub-install' just sets up the GRUB MBR portion IIRC. |
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| 09:01.56 | karsten | nayyares: It doesn't actually generate menu.list |
| 09:02.20 | karsten | nayyares: And what do you mean by "should be excecuted in rescue mode"? Run as root while booted, single or multi-user |
| 09:02.34 | karsten | nayyares: How are you currently booted? |
| 09:03.12 | nayyares | karsten, i boot my pc from bootable disk, as with out it, it let me to grub> prompt. |
| 09:03.14 | liable | karsten: seeing as update-grub reads menu.lst i dunno how thats going to work |
| 09:03.32 | karsten | liable: It generates it if it doesn't exist. |
| 09:03.35 | liable | nayyares: touch the file, purge grub, and reinstall it |
| 09:03.38 | karsten | liable: Doesn't it? |
| 09:03.45 | liable | karsten: hrm, ok, i didnt know that |
| 09:04.10 | nayyares | liable, i all ready did it, but it is not working |
| 09:04.41 | karsten | liable: It does, prompting, defaulting to no. |
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| 09:05.06 | liable | karsten: ok, good to know |
| 09:05.10 | karsten | liable: ... I hope I can reboot ;-) |
| 09:05.19 | karsten | liable: Not working how? |
| 09:05.23 | karsten | nayyares: ^^ |
| 09:05.24 | liable | heh |
| 09:05.25 | karsten | liable: NM. |
| 09:05.48 | liable | time to make pizza |
| 09:07.09 | nayyares | karsten, i will boot system, through bootable disk and will give "update-grub /dev/hda" and after then will edit the new born grub.conf? |
| 09:07.24 | liable | nayyares: try what karsten says, if not, rm menu.lst and install with --force-confmiss |
| 09:07.42 | karsten | nayyares: Either chroot to your installed system or specify the boot directory when doing that. |
| 09:07.45 | liable | nayyares: what distro are you using? debian doesnt have grub.conf |
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| 09:07.51 | DaveyB | How do I find out what hardware Debian ETCH supports? |
| 09:07.53 | cydork | nayyares: chroot and then to update-grup it will ask if you want to create one |
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| 09:08.03 | karsten | DaveyB: Read the source, luke. |
| 09:08.12 | karsten | DaveyB: What specific hardware do you have in minde? |
| 09:08.23 | karsten | !tell DaveyB about hcl |
| 09:08.32 | karsten | DaveyB: Mind that that link may be hopelessly out of date. |
| 09:08.42 | karsten | DaveyB: ... the HOWTO in particular. |
| 09:08.50 | DaveyB | karsten, I want to know if etch supports Radeon 9100 IGP |
| 09:09.08 | nayyares | karsten, excellent thanks dude. |
| 09:09.13 | karsten | DaveyB: Google the phrase and read people's experiences w/ it. "radeon 9100 igp debian" should do it. |
| 09:09.17 | karsten | nayyares: NP. |
| 09:09.20 | nayyares | karsten, let me try it out, see you |
| 09:09.28 | karsten | nayyares: Flipside. Luck. |
| 09:09.48 | DaveyB | karsten, don't you think I have already, there is nothing specific. |
| 09:09.57 | karsten | DaveyB: That's not a good sign. |
| 09:10.11 | karsten | DaveyB: either it runs with absolutely no problems, or it's so new nobody's tried it. |
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| 09:10.17 | karsten | DaveyB: The first is a tad doubtful. |
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| 09:10.28 | karsten | DaveyB: And frankly I don't know the kit or its release date. |
| 09:11.44 | karsten | DaveyB: Looks like there's a fglrx-driver package. |
| 09:11.50 | karsten | !info fglrx-driver |
| 09:11.55 | karsten | DaveyB: 2d accel only. |
| 09:11.57 | dpkg | fglrx-driver: (display driver for the ATI graphics accelerators), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 8.28.8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7374 kB, Installed size: 21996 kB |
| 09:12.27 | karsten | DaveyB: proprietary drivers from ATI/AMD as well, maybe. |
| 09:12.44 | karsten | !bug 362869 |
| 09:12.44 | dpkg | bug 362869 can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=362869 |
| 09:13.09 | cydork | !dbugs #362869 |
| 09:13.12 | dpkg | DONE:#362869:I[xlibmesa-dri] No direct rendering for radeon 9100 IGP; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 02:33:04 UTC |
| 09:13.20 | karsten | DaveyB: glxgears 600 fps using xlibmesa-gl. So not _too_ bad. |
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| 09:14.22 | karsten | DaveyB: |
| 09:14.22 | karsten | DaveyB: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/fglrx-driver |
| 09:14.22 | DaveyB | karsten, So it is supported, that is good to know. |
| 09:14.25 | karsten | DaveyB: Yeah, seems to be. Report back ;-) |
| 09:14.48 | DaveyB | karsten, thankyou for your help. |
| 09:14.56 | nayyares | karsten, one more thing? how can i boot into single user mode, if i get grub> prompt ? any idea. |
| 09:15.07 | karsten | DaveyB: NP. If you can post a system config page with your xorg.conf file to a website, it would be a great resource. |
| 09:15.28 | karsten | nayyares: if you *do* get grub prompt: append 'single' to your kernel line. |
| 09:15.40 | karsten | nayyares: If you can't get to grub prompt, boot something else. |
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| 09:15.50 | karsten | nayyares: a grub floppy or USB can be useful. |
| 09:16.04 | nayyares | karsten, ok, fine |
| 09:16.52 | DaveyB | karsten, that package is already installed and probably working the site you gave me show all my hardware is compatible, but I was just wondering if i should download the drivers from the ATI website or not. I guess there is no need really. :-) |
| 09:16.52 | wols_ | DaveyB: new fglrx driver will NOT support DX8 cards anymore like your 9100 |
| 09:16.59 | DaveyB | wols_, what would you suggest then? Download specific drivers from the ATI website? |
| 09:16.59 | wols_ | the one from ati.com that is |
| 09:17.08 | karsten | DaveyB: ATI might give improved performance, but may be restricted to specific kernel builds / versions. |
| 09:17.20 | wols_ | karsten: and x versions |
| 09:17.32 | karsten | wols_: which drivers won't support what cards? Can you clarify? |
| 09:17.51 | DaveyB | wols_, I am currently running the 2.6.17-2-686 kernel |
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| 09:18.01 | wols_ | karsten: the newest fglrx from ati.com will not support older DX8 only cards anymore (all up to 9250) |
| 09:18.08 | DaveyB | wols_, I assume that is more than capable of supporting my card? |
| 09:18.19 | wols_ | DaveyB: what "that"? |
| 09:18.46 | DaveyB | wols_, that being my kernel under etch "2.6.17-2-686" |
| 09:18.54 | karsten | DaveyB: sounds like wols_ is saying to use the Debian-provided driver. |
| 09:18.57 | karsten | wols_: ^^ ?? |
| 09:19.18 | wols_ | karsten: yes. older versions of fglrx or the radeon driver |
| 09:19.24 | wols_ | etch probably still has the older one |
| 09:19.26 | karsten | DaveyB: Your kernel shouldn't matter, using Debian's drivers. |
| 09:19.30 | DaveyB | karsten, wols_ thankyou. |
| 09:20.20 | wols_ | fglrx 8.29.6 has no more support for thise chips |
| 09:20.22 | wols_ | all below do |
| 09:21.19 | wols_ | and linux 2.6.18 needs fglrx 8.29.6 to work. earlier versions won't work |
| 09:21.21 | DaveyB | wols_, so how do I get my display to use more than two resolutions successfully> |
| 09:21.44 | wols_ | DaveyB: by putting both in your xorg.conf? |
| 09:21.56 | DaveyB | I have 800x600 at 60Hz or 1024x768 at 60Hz. |
| 09:22.07 | wols_ | 60Hz? TFT? |
| 09:22.14 | DaveyB | wols_, I am using a laptop. |
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| 09:22.49 | DaveyB | wols_, how would I find my maximum output? |
| 09:23.05 | wols_ | maximum of what? |
| 09:23.09 | karsten | DaveyB: 60Hz is fine. 1024x768 is likely max native. Check your manual. |
| 09:23.17 | wols_ | max resolution? Consult your notebook manual |
| 09:23.26 | karsten | DaveyB: What's the laptop? |
| 09:23.37 | Guerin | resolution is more or less irrelevant with lcd |
| 09:23.41 | DaveyB | karsten, Acer TravelMater 2700 |
| 09:24.22 | karsten | DaveyB: 1280x800? |
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| 09:24.34 | karsten | DaveyB: erm, that's the 4200, sorry |
| 09:24.38 | fyrestrtr | it is a known issue that the etch installer doesn't show the complete timezone listings? |
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| 09:25.24 | karsten | DaveyB: 15.0 XGA: 1024x768, 15.4 WXGA 1280x800 |
| 09:25.39 | karsten | fyrestrtr: I think so. Someone mentioned this a week or so back. |
| 09:25.45 | Guerin | fyrestrtr: well, YOU know it |
| 09:25.51 | fyrestrtr | is it fixed? |
| 09:25.55 | karsten | Guerin: And you know it. |
| 09:25.59 | karsten | Guerin: ...and I know it. |
| 09:26.10 | karsten | !tell fyrestrtr about bts |
| 09:26.13 | Guerin | talk about a trivial issue |
| 09:26.16 | karsten | fyrestrtr: STFBTS |
| 09:26.22 | Guerin | it's a BETA for fuck's sakes |
| 09:26.37 | fyrestrtr | no need to get agitated, I didn't say it was your fault. |
| 09:26.50 | enouf | !fault Guerin |
| 09:26.59 | enouf | crap |
| 09:27.04 | Guerin | enouf: itym blame |
| 09:27.12 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Look, we feel agitated, we want to feel agitated, and nothing you say or do is going to keep us from GETTING AGITATED!!!!! |
| 09:27.21 | karsten | !blame Guerin |
| 09:27.29 | karsten | !praise karsten |
| 09:27.33 | karsten | :-) |
| 09:27.36 | enouf | doh |
| 09:27.40 | DaveyB | karsten, I should be able to use 1200x800 then? |
| 09:27.49 | karsten | DaveyB: That would depend on your HW. |
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| 09:27.56 | karsten | DaveyB: Try it. Either it works or it doesn't. |
| 09:27.59 | Guerin | DaveyB: hwinfo --monitor |
| 09:28.05 | wols_ | karsten: you really, really stink |
| 09:28.10 | karsten | DaveyB: I couldn't find a specific manual, just a page with specs on it. |
| 09:28.16 | karsten | wols_: Particularly after eating beans. |
| 09:28.20 | sime | I want to be able to render the Glagolitic font available in Character Map (Gucharmap) |
| 09:28.25 | sime | What do I need to do. |
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| 09:29.35 | karsten | DaveyB: laptop manuals links, acer about 4/5 down the page, RAR archive link: http://www.laptoprepairguy.com/laptop/category/laptop-service-manual/ |
| 09:29.42 | karsten | sime: Panic? |
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| 09:29.58 | karsten | sime: ... alternatively, find and install the font in question (which I've never heard of). |
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| 09:30.33 | sime | It's in unicode, if that matters. |
| 09:30.34 | karsten | sime: http://www.hr/darko/etf/gl-font.html |
| 09:30.46 | karsten | sime: It doesn't. The font format does. TTF would be good. |
| 09:30.58 | karsten | !tell sime about install font |
| 09:31.08 | karsten | sime: TTF is available on the URL above. |
| 09:33.13 | fyrestrtr | oh geez, this has got to be dumbest idea yet. http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.maint.boot/browse_thread/thread/a0a35ba25f376736/520116e495f39a4d?lnk=st&q=installer+timezones&rnum=1#520116e495f39a4d -- scroll to the last message and read the quoted part. |
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| 09:34.31 | ra1 | hi all |
| 09:34.45 | karsten | fyrestrtr: ?? |
| 09:35.01 | ra1 | i have a command running on my consloe is it possible make it as background process |
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| 09:35.45 | stojic | ra1: type Ctrl+z in console and then bg |
| 09:35.46 | karsten | ra1: ctrl-Z. bg |
| 09:36.29 | fyrestrtr | karsten: "if you select US and en, it assumes you are in the US" |
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| 09:36.39 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Yes. And? |
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| 09:36.58 | stojic | yep, I also don't get this |
| 09:37.09 | ra1 | karsten: thank u |
| 09:37.13 | liable | it assumes you want to use us engrish |
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| 09:38.19 | ra1 | is there is any way to monitor gateway ip of linux computers |
| 09:38.25 | g0th | hi, someone told me I should come here when compiz works for me |
| 09:38.28 | g0th | it does now |
| 09:38.34 | karsten | ra1: 'route' |
| 09:38.45 | karsten | g0th: compiz? |
| 09:39.00 | cydork | g0th: with xgl? aiglx? |
| 09:39.00 | karsten | g0th: NM. OK, no clue myself. |
| 09:39.03 | liable | g0th: come here and do what? |
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| 09:39.51 | karsten | fyrestrtr: TZ selection is contextually constrained to locale. I can't think of anything more logical. |
| 09:39.57 | Fox | g0th: I told you to document the way you had it working :) |
| 09:40.00 | karsten | fyrestrtr: ... you can always modify the TZ later. |
| 09:40.03 | ra1 | karsten: route is to show if any gateway change is made of any gateway is removed then how can i monitor |
| 09:40.36 | g0th | Fox: problem is, I dunno what is all necessary |
| 09:40.36 | g0th | hmm |
| 09:40.40 | karsten | ra1: Um. Why would your gateway be randomly changing? |
| 09:40.56 | g0th | Fox: btw, nvidia-beta drivers are in debian experimental :) |
| 09:41.03 | karsten | ra1: If you must: while route -n; do sleep 1; done |
| 09:41.07 | ra1 | if any one is changing gateway of some think |
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| 09:41.17 | karsten | ra1: What's your native language? |
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| 09:41.30 | g0th | cydork: nvidia-beta drivers, but basically this is aiglx right? |
| 09:41.32 | ra1 | malayalam |
| 09:41.33 | karsten | ra1: ... you're not making yourself very clear here. |
| 09:42.25 | wols_ | ra1: when the gateway is changed, your linux won't be able to access the network anymore unless you or DHCP changes it |
| 09:42.36 | karsten | ra1: Is there some specific issue you're trying to resolve here, or are you just trying to deal with your gateway possibly changing? |
| 09:43.23 | ra1 | in my computer having 3 gateway ip if one goes down that the issue |
| 09:43.40 | cydork | g0th: you are just using sid xorg right? then it's aiglx |
| 09:43.41 | karsten | ra1: /msg dpkg paster. Paste 'route -n' to that URL. |
| 09:43.42 | jerome | bug=390133 says a new openoffice "due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive", nothing for now here ... Damn openoffice. |
| 09:44.03 | karsten | ra1: You can't have multiple gateway routes. You may have multiple routes if you're multi-homed and on multiple networks. |
| 09:44.07 | ra1 | is it possible to get notification |
| 09:44.19 | ra1 | ya |
| 09:44.27 | g0th | cydork: yes sid xorg |
| 09:44.28 | tralala | ra1: if you want to have multiple gateways you need to have multiple network connections (aka wires) |
| 09:44.46 | ra1 | that true that i have |
| 09:44.48 | karsten | ra1: How are you configuring your gw? You can add hooks to /etc/network/interfaces including system notify (wall, or similar) commands. |
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| 09:45.03 | g0th | I had problems with the some nasty error message and with the window decoration |
| 09:45.03 | karsten | tralala: Possibly not if ip aliased. |
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| 09:45.19 | g0th | Ra1stlin: compiz --indirect-rendering --strict-binding |
| 09:45.26 | g0th | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.27 | g0th | grml |
| 09:45.31 | tralala | ra1: if this is your case you may want to read the lartc howto (/mst dpkg lartc) |
| 09:45.33 | karsten | ra1: Other than that, or polling your routing table periodically, I don't know of specific options. |
| 09:45.42 | g0th | 1nd: add decoration at the beginning of the plugin list in gconf-editor |
| 09:45.53 | ra1 | karsten: & tralala: k tk |
| 09:45.54 | g0th | 2nd |
| 09:45.55 | g0th | that would be |
| 09:46.03 | Guerin | g0th: why do we give a fuck? |
| 09:46.09 | tralala | karsten: this kind of setup is rather unlikely in practice |
| 09:46.18 | liable | g0th: doesnt compiz.real sort that out? |
| 09:46.24 | ra1 | thank you for this much information i will let u no if thinks started working |
| 09:46.28 | karsten | tralala: Interesting wrt lartc. And yes. |
| 09:46.40 | karsten | ra1: That's "things", not "thinks". |
| 09:46.45 | karsten | feh. |
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| 09:47.06 | liable | i like thinks bettar |
| 09:47.16 | cydork | me too! |
| 09:47.16 | tralala | you mean bettur |
| 09:47.18 | jzu_ | 3.away |
| 09:47.30 | tralala | or butter... |
| 09:47.56 | liable | mushrooms fried in butter |
| 09:47.57 | karsten | liable: that word, you keep using it, I do not thing it means what you thing it does. |
| 09:48.00 | liable | yum!~ |
| 09:48.13 | liable | karsten: which word? |
| 09:48.28 | liable | oh, that one |
| 09:48.37 | g0th | liable: what do you mean? |
| 09:48.45 | tralala | !confuse g0th |
| 09:48.45 | dpkg | No, what was our ferret today, g0th? breeches of the republic of tibet with extra ham |
| 09:48.47 | liable | g0th: nm |
| 09:48.55 | Ferret | x.x |
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| 09:48.58 | cydork | mmm ham ! |
| 09:49.22 | tralala | put that with the butter fried mushrooms and add a beer! |
| 09:49.34 | tralala | oh, boy! I'm getting hungry |
| 09:49.41 | wols_ | stop already. it's almost 12 and I'm getting hungry! |
| 09:50.13 | karsten | Feh. |
| 09:50.15 | tralala | wols_: it's an hour later here and I still haven't eaten anythin(g|k) |
| 09:50.16 | karsten | Nearly 3am. |
| 09:50.43 | wols_ | karsten: that's the time for a "midnight snack(tm)" |
| 09:50.49 | karsten | wols_: Had same. |
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| 09:50.55 | karsten | Sweet salt prunes. |
| 09:51.21 | liable | heh, natures alarm clock? |
| 09:51.28 | karsten | liable: Um. No. |
| 09:51.34 | cydork | stop talking about food! :( |
| 09:51.35 | karsten | liable: Though there is a story ... |
| 09:51.42 | karsten | cydork: Prunes are *not* food. |
| 09:52.13 | karsten | liable: 4 day cycling tour in high school. Three days out. Picked up snacks at a roadside fruit stand. |
| 09:52.29 | karsten | liable: ... stopped for lunch. Proceeded on a 40 mile stretch over a *very* hilly road. |
| 09:52.34 | cydork | karsten: i guess so. but i can eat a pony atm :P |
| 09:52.49 | liable | i have a feeling this doesnt turn out well |
| 09:52.51 | karsten | liable: Decided on the final descent to finish off my snack. |
| 09:53.03 | karsten | liable: Oh, it all comes out OK in the end.... |
| 09:53.09 | karsten | cydork: OMG!!! PONIES!!! |
| 09:53.16 | karsten | liable: 1/2 # of dried prunes. |
| 09:53.27 | karsten | liable: Made it to the campground just in time. |
| 09:53.46 | karsten | Spend 45 minutes on the pot, feeling like someone had a firehose running through me. |
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| 09:53.54 | karsten | As I said. |
| 09:53.59 | karsten | It *all* came out OK in the end. |
| 09:54.16 | karsten | I don't think I touched prunes for another five years. |
| 09:54.18 | karsten | Erm. |
| 09:54.21 | karsten | s/think/thing/ |
| 09:54.25 | karsten | ;-) |
| 09:54.29 | liable | hehe |
| 09:55.11 | karsten | Lasgne. |
| 09:55.15 | karsten | Key lime pie. |
| 09:55.19 | wols_ | you must be really hungry if you can stomach a full pony |
| 09:55.28 | karsten | Broiling chicken. |
| 09:55.30 | cydork | !smack karsten |
| 09:55.47 | liable | lasagne is good, but not as good as the pizza that i am about to devour |
| 09:55.50 | karsten | Chicken sausage, apple. |
| 09:55.55 | liable | wtf |
| 09:56.02 | cydork | wols_: i am, just came from medical test, could not eat before that :( |
| 09:56.04 | karsten | Salt'n'pepper cripss. |
| 09:56.24 | karsten | cydork: how's that appetite? |
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| 09:56.34 | karsten | wols_: Married? |
| 09:56.58 | liable | tomato and onion with cheese and vinegar on toast.. good quickie snack |
| 09:57.04 | liable | plus pepper of course |
| 09:57.04 | karsten | wols_: ... good news, there's still a possibility for you: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/05/world/asia/05china.html?hp&ex=1160107200&en=df0864f1add060df&ei=5094&partner=homepage |
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| 09:57.14 | karsten | pepper. |
| 09:57.16 | karsten | mmmmm |
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| 09:57.53 | RobHu | Hello everyone! Is there a way to list all the software that apt-get wants to update, and the version number difference / date the new package was created / date the package we have installed was created? I would like to be able to see how out of date a box is basically :-) |
| 09:58.20 | azeem | RobHu: you can't easily get the date a package was created |
| 09:58.30 | azeem | not if you're only looking at the .deb, that is |
| 09:59.24 | karsten | RobHu: apt-get's got a few options for this. |
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| 09:59.55 | RobHu | azeem: Yeah I'm kinda hoping for a one liner for everything installed :P |
| 10:00.07 | karsten | RobHu: --show-upgraded, --simulate |
| 10:00.08 | ph8 | hi all, is it possible to install php5 on my debian-stable build? |
| 10:00.09 | RobHu | karsten: Yes but its a really big utility and I was hoping some people could give me some pointers |
| 10:00.11 | liable | aptitude or dpkg logs? |
| 10:00.12 | RobHu | karsten: thankyou ! :) |
| 10:00.27 | karsten | RobHu: Mind I generally prefer using aptitude. Note that it logs everything. |
| 10:00.34 | karsten | RobHu: apt-get doesn't |
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| 10:00.40 | karsten | RobHu: /var/log/aptitude FYI. |
| 10:01.20 | karsten | RobHu: For aptitude, --show-versions, possibly of interest. |
| 10:02.17 | wols_ | peterS: O-Ton Schily ert cdrtools fork: http://www.heise.de/open/news/foren/go.shtml?read=1&msg_id=11360908&forum_id=106334 |
| 10:02.32 | RobHu | I find this all a bit confusing. If I do apt-get upgrade --show-upgraded --simulate I get two sections "The following packages have been kept back" and "The following packages will be upgraded" |
| 10:02.40 | RobHu | Why are some being kept back? Are they less critical? |
| 10:03.12 | peterS | wols_: I don't know German. but schily is well-known for trolling on heise.de. what is he saying this time? |
| 10:03.58 | karsten | RobHu: Packages getting held back would be upgraded (there's a more recent version), but packages depending on them (or which they depend on) aren't ready to be upgraded yet. |
| 10:04.23 | liable | RobHu: check the apt-get docs for the diff between upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 10:04.34 | RobHu | yeah |
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| 10:05.10 | RobHu | So dist-upgrade is allowed to remove things, and it will update non library stuff? e.g. if you need to update foo to use the new libfoo then its allowed to do that? |
| 10:05.52 | ph8 | hi all, is it possible to install php5 on my debian-stable build? |
| 10:06.02 | ph8 | yes RobHu |
| 10:06.02 | karsten | !tell ph8 about php5 |
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| 10:06.09 | karsten | !tell ph8 about backports |
| 10:06.17 | karsten | ph8: what release? sarge or etch? |
| 10:06.27 | ph8 | sarge |
| 10:06.30 | ph8 | ty |
| 10:06.34 | karsten | ph8: see above. |
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| 10:07.06 | nm | re * |
| 10:07.33 | wols_ | peterS: calls the fork "work therapy" and says it's all hot air while his cdrtools continues to get new features. Ends it with a flame against RMS who only talks about free software instead of building some |
| 10:07.39 | nm | how do i manual set full/half duplex and 10/100 for my ethernet card ? |
| 10:07.50 | wols_ | nm: man ifconfig |
| 10:08.34 | wols_ | nm: ethertool probably too |
| 10:08.39 | nm | wols_, ifconfig dont't have it |
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| 10:08.41 | karsten | wols_: Right, second. |
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| 10:09.35 | jooopyme | keyboard hook to grab keystrokes globaly? |
| 10:10.28 | karsten | jooopyme: ?? |
| 10:10.30 | peterS | wols_: oh, boring. we are still waiting to hear from him whether his license is GPL or "GPL + extra special Schilling restrictions". the latter means you can't change certain text, even after you rename everything like he always said we should |
| 10:10.46 | karsten | peterS: Who's Schilling? |
| 10:10.57 | jooopyme | karsten: I want to grab every keystroke and analize it |
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| 10:11.06 | peterS | karsten: Joerg Schilling is the author of cdrecord and maintainer of the cdrtools suite built around it |
| 10:11.13 | karsten | peterS: Dig. |
| 10:11.21 | ph8 | karsten: can i just add http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/p/php5/ to my sources list? or will that not work? |
| 10:11.21 | jooopyme | I can do it like this 'cat /dev/input/event0' |
| 10:11.36 | jooopyme | but I don't think it is a good idea |
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| 10:11.42 | karsten | jooopyme: apt-cache search keylogger |
| 10:11.44 | cydork | jooopyme: you want a keylogger? |
| 10:11.54 | karsten | cydork: You can't _handle_ a keylogger |
| 10:12.01 | karsten | </afewgoodmen> |
| 10:12.04 | nm | wols_, thx gui, but i dont' remember #debian bot name for search package |
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| 10:13.11 | jooopyme | I need a kernel hook to the keyboard |
| 10:13.13 | wols_ | !search |
| 10:13.13 | dpkg | search is, like, try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 10:13.34 | nm | !search ethertool |
| 10:13.36 | wols_ | jooopyme: a rootkit? |
| 10:13.57 | jooopyme | well... |
| 10:14.12 | wols_ | nm: have you even read what dpkg just wrote? |
| 10:15.01 | cydork | karsten: so you went to jail in the end? :P |
| 10:15.12 | nm | wols_, okie |
| 10:15.30 | wols_ | ph8: go to backports.org and read their docs |
| 10:16.26 | cydork | jooopyme: if you want a keylogger then try lkl. |
| 10:18.05 | karsten | cydork: No, I walked out of the theater. |
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| 10:18.14 | cydork | heh |
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| 10:22.38 | tralala | my current favourite: http://julien.danjou.info/blog/index.php/2006/10/03/338-blah |
| 10:25.10 | cydork | tralala: hehe sounds like fun :) |
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| 10:28.50 | torgeir | when will openoffice.org 2.0.4~rc3-1 be available in binary for i386? |
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| 10:28.59 | karsten | WIR |
| 10:29.13 | torgeir | karsten: WIR? |
| 10:29.16 | karsten | !WIR |
| 10:29.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 10:29.18 | peterS | torgeir: as soon as it builds and someone uploads it |
| 10:29.19 | liable | its a fine line between cold beer and not frozen vegetables.. |
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| 10:29.57 | karsten | liable: tomatobeer! |
| 10:30.22 | liable | eek |
| 10:30.34 | elohssa | !RSN |
| 10:30.35 | dpkg | somebody said rsn was Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 10:30.39 | Sy_Dan | check out the new linux distro at www.tubgirl.com |
| 10:30.45 | elohssa | !SIYH |
| 10:30.46 | dpkg | it has been said that siyh is if you want to know how to help debian go to http://qa.debian.orghttp://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 10:31.01 | karsten | !msg the bots |
| 10:31.02 | dpkg | Oi, karsten, message the bots, so you don't spam the channel. /msg dpkg foo. *snarl* Thankyou |
| 10:31.02 | elohssa | somebody /kickban Sy_Dan |
| 10:31.04 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 10:31.05 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@203.45.14.33] by peterS |
| 10:31.05 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 10:31.11 | elohssa | ty PecisDarbs |
| 10:31.12 | elohssa | petemc, |
| 10:31.15 | elohssa | peterS, even |
| 10:31.25 | peterS | he can meditate on his sins for awhile |
| 10:31.27 | liable | third times a charm :) |
| 10:32.01 | elohssa | ;-) |
| 10:32.05 | elohssa | keep an eye on werdna__ |
| 10:32.10 | elohssa | keeps stealing my nick |
| 10:32.27 | elohssa | and thus, every time he speaks, he will be ghost'd |
| 10:32.33 | elohssa | that'll keep him off it /real/ fast |
| 10:32.49 | karsten | elohssa: Seems he's doing that to a few folks. |
| 10:33.07 | tralala | cydork: it will give me a deeply satisfying feeling when I apply it on certain personalities right here :) |
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| 10:33.32 | cydork | tralala: i might try it too! ;) |
| 10:33.42 | cydork | tralala: irssi rocks! |
| 10:34.07 | tralala | it's t3h sh!7e |
| 10:34.46 | elohssa | karsten, I am Werdna |
| 10:34.50 | elohssa | karsten, /whois me |
| 10:34.54 | karsten | elohssa: Dig. |
| 10:35.10 | karsten | elohssa: Man of Many Nicks. |
| 10:35.18 | karsten | elohssa: a/k/a MoMN |
| 10:35.18 | elohssa | karsten, ;-) |
| 10:35.22 | elohssa | read them both backwards |
| 10:35.54 | karsten | NMoM and skciN ynaM fo naM |
| 10:36.05 | tralala | andrew the asshole... how revealing |
| 10:36.14 | liable | hah |
| 10:36.19 | karsten | Llareggub! |
| 10:36.19 | elohssa | tralala, ;-) |
| 10:36.30 | elohssa | I also go by Werdnum, singular Werdna |
| 10:36.47 | karsten | elohssa: So is that a female Werdna? |
| 10:36.48 | wols_ | elohssa: please just don't spam the channel again |
| 10:36.58 | karsten | elohssa: Proper plural would be Werdni |
| 10:37.09 | elohssa | I'm male |
| 10:37.09 | wols_ | karsten: no |
| 10:37.18 | elohssa | wols_, he'll get the message after a bit. |
| 10:37.23 | karsten | wols_: ? |
| 10:37.35 | wols_ | nominativ plural of neutrums is a |
| 10:37.37 | liable | dont get the plurii discussion happening |
| 10:37.37 | wols_ | -a |
| 10:37.53 | elohssa | yes, bad grammar nazis |
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| 10:38.02 | tralala | liable: 'cuz you're full of virii... |
| 10:38.03 | wols_ | liable: that doesn't happen in properl languages like latin |
| 10:38.10 | karsten | liable: peopli can have pluri discussi if theyi want. |
| 10:38.15 | wols_ | only inferior ones like english have that problem :P |
| 10:38.24 | liable | tralala: uhem, yeah.. :) |
| 10:38.31 | elohssa | zomg |
| 10:38.34 | elohssa | channel limit 666 |
| 10:38.41 | tralala | liable: ;) |
| 10:38.46 | karsten | It's the limit of the beast. |
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| 10:38.53 | karsten | And on peterS's watch. |
| 10:39.05 | karsten | 666 nicki. |
| 10:39.21 | liable | oh dear |
| 10:39.38 | liable | !tranquilise karsten |
| 10:40.03 | liable | heh, i didnt expect that one to actually work.. |
| 10:40.05 | cydork | dpkg: thanks |
| 10:40.05 | dpkg | cydork: de nada |
| 10:40.09 | cydork | :P |
| 10:40.13 | wols_ | liable: a real penguin, about 30cm high max or a fat one like the linux penguin? |
| 10:40.15 | karsten | liable: british spelling and all. |
| 10:40.28 | elohssa | !tranquilise * |
| 10:40.35 | elohssa | w00tage |
| 10:40.37 | wols_ | that'll work |
| 10:40.38 | liable | karsten: i am a decendant of poms after all :P |
| 10:40.40 | elohssa | !kill elohssa |
| 10:40.48 | karsten | liable: whinging? |
| 10:40.55 | wols_ | elohssa: abuse the bot in private so not everyone has to see it |
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| 10:41.02 | liable | karsten: if you want me to |
| 10:41.22 | karsten | liable: Oz joke: how can you tell when the London flight's landed at Sydney? |
| 10:41.35 | liable | wols_: king one, those fuckers are huge |
| 10:41.42 | liable | karsten: dunno |
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| 10:41.55 | karsten | liable: Whining keeps going after the engines have stopped. |
| 10:42.03 | liable | ba boom |
| 10:42.13 | karsten | liable: As I said. Oz joke. |
| 10:42.30 | karsten | 'nother Oz joke. I'm visiting. |
| 10:42.31 | sgeigerbot2 | karsten: don't I know you from somewhere? |
| 10:42.37 | karsten | "So, you're Canadian?" |
| 10:42.41 | karsten | "No, but thank you" |
| 10:42.47 | karsten | sgeigerbot2: Jail? |
| 10:42.53 | liable | heh |
| 10:42.54 | elohssa | karsten, you're aussie? |
| 10:42.56 | elohssa | awesome. |
| 10:43.14 | karsten | elohssa: No. 'Merkin. |
| 10:43.52 | karsten | Werdnum: Careful. |
| 10:43.56 | karsten | Werdnum: ... I might like that. |
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| 10:44.06 | tralala | !fix karsten |
| 10:44.21 | karsten | Can't fix what's not broken ;-) |
| 10:44.58 | tralala | !break karsten |
| 10:45.06 | tralala | there |
| 10:45.12 | Werdnum | o____O |
| 10:45.22 | peterS | tralala: enough |
| 10:45.22 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 10:45.22 | wols_ | wow that was nasty dpkg |
| 10:45.23 | Werdnum | karsten, kinky |
| 10:45.25 | karsten | actaually... |
| 10:45.59 | tralala | peterS: enough of what? |
| 10:46.03 | karsten | Werdnum: She? |
| 10:46.04 | peterS | bot abuse |
| 10:46.08 | cydork | she? |
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| 10:46.13 | Werdnum | karsten, you're a he? |
| 10:46.23 | tralala | peterS: two factoids is now a bot abuse? |
| 10:46.29 | karsten | Werdnum: Hope so. |
| 10:46.34 | peterS | it's, as I said, enough |
| 10:46.40 | cydork | karsten: you dont know?? :P |
| 10:46.42 | karsten | Werdnum: Been lumbering under a gross misapprehension for some decades if not. |
| 10:46.58 | Werdnum | karsten, offt |
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| 10:47.19 | karsten | :-) |
| 10:47.30 | karsten | Werdnum: I make a reallly ugly, and big, chick. |
| 10:47.46 | tralala | peterS: I was just curious how do you qualify something as a bot abuse, besides "I'm an op so you'll do as I say". Feel free not to answer. |
| 10:47.48 | liable | haha |
| 10:47.54 | JimPanic | la la la |
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| 10:48.07 | tralala | hey, Jim |
| 10:48.15 | karsten | Werdnum: FYI: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/ |
| 10:48.20 | SlayerXP | he's an op therefore the definition of botabuse is whatever he says it is. |
| 10:48.26 | karsten | Werdnum: ... and do as the mighty op says. |
| 10:48.34 | Werdnum | I |
| 10:48.39 | Werdnum | I am completely innocent. |
| 10:48.52 | wols_ | Werdnum: all inmates are. there is no guilty one |
| 10:48.56 | karsten | peterS: ... but tread not too heavily, particularly when Q'ns are light. |
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| 10:49.13 | peterS | tralala: I mainly think of bot abuse as a function of how often the bot is called upon for stupid reasons, in a given period of time, regardless of who is doing the triggering. this may not be fair to the last person to invoke her, but the last person should have noticed that the game was already getting old |
| 10:49.22 | sergIOO | how to see which user run proces on port 6667? |
| 10:49.39 | wols_ | sergIOO: netstat -anp |less |
| 10:49.39 | karsten | sergIOO: fuser :6667 |
| 10:49.41 | liable | sergIOO: it will be your irc client most likely |
| 10:49.50 | sergIOO | i know that |
| 10:49.55 | sergIOO | but i want to se which user run it |
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| 10:50.22 | cydork | sergIOO: lsof -i:6667 |
| 10:50.24 | sergIOO | fuser hmm i dont see that i try |
| 10:50.56 | sergIOO | is lsof show which user RUN that proces |
| 10:51.24 | icedtea | how do you build a man page without using a configure script? |
| 10:51.27 | cydork | sergIOO: yes it should. |
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| 10:51.39 | liable | sergIOO: netsta can show the process, ps can show the user |
| 10:51.57 | liable | netstat.. |
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| 10:52.16 | cydork | lsof show both |
| 10:52.37 | Allman | [dri] I830DRIScreenInit failed because of a version mismatch. - I get this after putting in the latest kernel (2.6.18) and dist-upgrade of my Debian SID... really annoying.. what can I do to fix it? |
| 10:52.55 | karsten | Allman: nvidia driver? |
| 10:53.09 | cydork | 2.6.18 arrived in sid? |
| 10:53.16 | Allman | karsten: no.. IBM Thinkpad X41 with Intel 915 |
| 10:53.27 | karsten | Allman: Sorry, nfc, and I'm asleep |
| 10:53.27 | Allman | cydork: I always compile my kernel.. |
| 10:53.35 | sgeigerbot | could I read in the file with python and write it to get a more tasty coding system? |
| 10:53.42 | peterS | cydork: it did indeed |
| 10:53.58 | cydork | peterS: great! |
| 10:54.10 | sgeigerbot | or are there other conversion tools that people would recommend instead? |
| 10:54.13 | liable | my hard drive makes the noise of a pool table ball bouncing, if you can imagine that... like the head is vibrating when it parks or something |
| 10:54.35 | liable | bouncing in ever smaller bounces.. |
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| 10:54.43 | Allman | so.. karsten.. any ideas? |
| 10:54.44 | liable | very hard to describe... |
| 10:55.22 | peterS | sgeigerbot: ehhh, what's the context for your question? |
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| 10:56.21 | sgeigerbot2 | peterS: wrong channel. |
| 10:56.25 | peterS | ahhh |
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| 10:56.48 | liable | more like a wooden ball actually, and you push your hand down on it as it bounces |
| 10:56.58 | liable | quite disturbing |
| 10:57.26 | cydork | hey any recomendations for building a kiosk ? |
| 10:57.35 | Ronin | cydork: wood |
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| 10:57.58 | tralala | liable: quickly! refresh those old backups |
| 10:58.13 | cydork | Ronin: no not that :P |
| 10:59.00 | liable | tralala: its brand new, and even worse, i sent it back for a vibrating HD, and it was replaced (supposedly).. with another vibrating hard drive.. |
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| 10:59.33 | tralala | liable: please, tell me the brand so I will avoid it for future |
| 10:59.50 | liable | tralala: lenovo thinkpad.. |
| 11:00.56 | tralala | oh, well - I have had very high respect for the thinkpads until they got sold and until now I didn't know what to think of them. Well, now I do. Thanks. |
| 11:00.58 | dimir | Which one (hopefully not the X-series)? |
| 11:01.11 | liable | t series |
| 11:01.16 | dimir | \o/ |
| 11:02.00 | liable | no optical drive is a big downer though |
| 11:02.21 | liable | otherwise the would be totally awesome |
| 11:02.26 | liable | they.. |
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| 11:03.11 | tralala | I want a linux powered mobile phone |
| 11:03.22 | liable | tralala: yeah, i must say, i've been fairly dissapointed with this one |
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| 11:03.43 | liable | even more so for being a fairly top of the so called range one |
| 11:04.12 | cydork | tralala: get a ipaq. it runs debian :P |
| 11:05.07 | tralala | liable: I really wonder what I'll have to do if I have to buy a laptop now. There really isn't a good way to tell what's well supported by linux. |
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| 11:05.49 | tralala | not to mention that I generally dislike what's offered here |
| 11:06.17 | tralala | cydork: I'll have to buy a discontinued one. |
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| 11:06.33 | cydork | tralala: ya that's true! |
| 11:07.07 | tralala | and I would if I cound find an unused one |
| 11:07.10 | lokuciej | On my Sarge system, libstdc++.so.6 is missing. What package do I have to install to get it? |
| 11:07.50 | tralala | lokuciej: aptitude search libstdc++ will give you some hints |
| 11:08.01 | fernet | I'm seeing something incredibly bizzare: debian mirrors have show up in my xauth file twice now -- this time even setting my hostname to a mirror's IP at UMN. This is a fresh debootstrapped install of sid that bypassed installer configuration, but it's hard not to suspect I've been tampered with. How could _anything_ get into xauth otherwise? Even my Firefox profile has nothing sensitive in it so I'm not in a rush to nuke and reinstal |
| 11:08.01 | fernet | l just yet. Stil... WTF? |
| 11:08.24 | liable | tralala: get an old t43 or something |
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| 11:09.39 | lokuciej | tralala: thank you |
| 11:09.43 | tralala | liable: I prefer the X series (highly portable) laptops and a desktop in addition |
| 11:09.52 | tralala | lokuciej: you're welcome |
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| 11:14.27 | cydork | matchbox is great :) |
| 11:14.27 | icedtea | whats the shell command to rename a bunch of *.3tiff to *.3? |
| 11:14.52 | tralala | icedtea: the shell command to learn how to do this kind of renames is man rename |
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| 11:15.04 | icedtea | tralala: ty |
| 11:15.13 | tralala | icedtea: you're welcome |
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| 11:18.22 | dererk[w] | G'Morning / Buen dÃa! :-) |
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| 11:22.02 | tralala | good morningafternooneveningnight |
| 11:22.44 | jes-o-mat | tralala: somewhere in between ;) |
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| 11:22.55 | ribasushi | greetings |
| 11:23.07 | tralala | jes-o-mat: I figured out this has to be universal enough :) |
| 11:23.17 | ribasushi | when I select a package in dselect it often selects 'Recommended' packages as well |
| 11:23.33 | ribasushi | how can I alter this behavior to match apt-get, by just downloading what is essential |
| 11:24.07 | tralala | ribasushi: do you have to use dselect? _I_ think it's deprecated. |
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| 11:24.53 | ribasushi | erm what is an alternative? aptitude tries to be too smart and selecting individual packages is rather messy compared to dselect |
| 11:24.56 | wols_ | ribasushi: start using aptitude |
| 11:25.17 | pipeline | *aptitude* does this by default, IIRC |
| 11:25.19 | wols_ | postfix and exim are bot MTA alternatives |
| 11:25.34 | tralala | ribasushi: what's the problem with aptitude? What in particular do you consider "too smart"? |
| 11:25.55 | tralala | pipeline: no, you don't |
| 11:26.10 | ribasushi | tralala: this is the impression I got half a year ago, I'll give it another shot |
| 11:26.12 | pipeline | also, hell yes dselect is deprecated |
| 11:26.19 | pipeline | with good reason |
| 11:26.43 | tralala | ribasushi: go right for it! |
| 11:26.44 | pipeline | I would be perfectly happy to see dselect go away as long as nobody took my "apt-get dselect-upgrade" away :P |
| 11:29.08 | liable | ribasushi: surely dselect has an option for this |
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| 11:31.58 | ribasushi | so in aptitude does + imply an explicit m? |
| 11:32.10 | ribasushi | *implicit |
| 11:32.18 | tralala | eh? |
| 11:32.44 | ribasushi | when I go + on a package - does it become either m or M or neither? |
| 11:33.09 | tralala | ribasushi: what are m and M? |
| 11:33.25 | ribasushi | M -> automatically installed; m -> manually installed |
| 11:33.36 | ribasushi | halfway down in the help screen |
| 11:34.13 | tralala | when you do a + in aptitude it marks the selected package for manuall installation and all of its dependencies for automatic installation |
| 11:34.52 | ribasushi | makes sense |
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| 11:35.00 | tralala | indeed |
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| 11:36.46 | tralala | ribasushi: so from which language does "riba" come |
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| 11:37.48 | ribasushi | from your native one, the meaning being (as you have probably incorrectly assumed) fish with ears |
| 11:38.35 | ribasushi | or "eared fish" if you want to be graphic about it :) |
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| 11:39.15 | tralala | right, I thought "sushi" refered to the japaniese thing |
| 11:40.23 | tralala | you shouldn't be too lame to read the bitchx docs though ;) |
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| 11:40.30 | tralala | or better yet - use irssi (the superior client) |
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| 11:41.38 | tralala | now available in debian at a discount price </adbreak> |
| 11:41.48 | ribasushi | or better yet being to lazy to set a full name for a temporary user :) |
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| 11:42.37 | Hoxzer | why is user limit 666? |
| 11:42.39 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 11:42.53 | petemc | Hoxzer: debhelper worships satan |
| 11:43.01 | ribasushi | Hoxzer: are you a virgin? |
| 11:43.06 | tralala | Hoxzer: you shouldn't take any offense - it's not deliberate |
| 11:43.08 | perlmonkey | how do you download a package without installing it? |
| 11:43.19 | Hoxzer | lol :D |
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| 11:43.33 | tralala | perlmonkey: by reading the fine manuals |
| 11:43.34 | Ronin | Hoxzer: we are the antichrist after all |
| 11:43.44 | Hoxzer | yeah :/ |
| 11:44.02 | perlmonkey | tralala: is there a quicker way? |
| 11:44.02 | Hoxzer | But what do you guys think about vampire hunters? |
| 11:44.15 | wols_ | perlmonkey: man apt-get |
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| 11:44.23 | perlmonkey | thanks |
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| 11:44.39 | tralala | perlmonkey: potentially yes - if someone who remebers the option by hard will share it with you |
| 11:44.55 | ribasushi | heh... the minesweeper part of aptitude is particularly interesting |
| 11:45.03 | Maulkin | lol |
| 11:45.06 | petemc | ☠|
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| 11:46.31 | tralala | ribasushi: so is aptitude moo (add "-v"s on taste) |
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| 11:48.15 | knoxy | is possible install kernel of debian testing on debian stable? |
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| 11:48.39 | wols_ | knoxy: no |
| 11:48.44 | tralala | knoxy: yes, but it's not recommended. Instead you should use backports.org |
| 11:48.48 | wols_ | knoxy: do a backport |
| 11:49.00 | perlmonkey | I read the manual and the option is apt-get -d install x |
| 11:49.09 | knoxy | tralala, wols_ thanks |
| 11:49.09 | perlmonkey | (tralala) |
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| 11:49.13 | wols_ | perlmonkey: if you know why did you ask? |
| 11:49.26 | tralala | perlmonkey: okay, thanks |
| 11:49.30 | perlmonkey | wols_ I didnt know until I read the page you recommended |
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| 11:50.26 | perlmonkey | my next question is, where do the package binaries get downloaded to |
| 11:50.52 | Braindead | perlmonkey: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 11:50.52 | lunitik | perlmonkey: /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 11:50.52 | perlmonkey | thanks guys |
| 11:51.00 | knoxy | wols_, backports dont have a new kernel images to 686 |
| 11:51.16 | tralala | knoxy: the package is now called linux-image |
| 11:51.44 | perlmonkey | what do you guys use for CDRW cd burning? |
| 11:51.50 | tralala | knoxy: but you cannot install it on it's own because it depends on other backports packages. Read the instructions instead. |
| 11:52.05 | perlmonkey | I tried about half a dozen progs and had no luck with any, except for k3b |
| 11:52.05 | knoxy | tralala, hmmm... |
| 11:52.12 | knoxy | tralala, ok.. |
| 11:52.13 | lunitik | perlmonkey: cdrecord ... if you want pretty pictures... k3b or bonfire |
| 11:52.18 | tralala | perlmonkey: cdrecord, cdrdao (cli), k3b (gui) |
| 11:52.22 | perlmonkey | ok cool thanks |
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| 11:53.41 | knoxy | tralala, I cant find linux-image using backports |
| 11:54.04 | cydork | lunitik: long time no see :) |
| 11:54.12 | lunitik | cydork: indeed |
| 11:54.30 | lunitik | cydork: I'm never gone for (that) long ;) |
| 11:54.42 | cydork | lunitik: so in which asylum you were admitted? :P |
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| 11:54.57 | tralala | knoxy: it's there, believe me |
| 11:55.07 | lunitik | cydork: haha... you better hide!! :P |
| 11:55.15 | cydork | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 11:55.16 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 11:56.49 | lunitik | Then... I usually get in trouble for recommending that... silly n00bs should just know how :/ |
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| 11:57.29 | ribasushi | ok... with aptitudes automatically installed packages, how do I make them purge themselves when they are no longer needed instead of just uninstalling? |
| 11:58.21 | lunitik | ribasushi: hmm... good question... |
| 11:58.27 | tralala | ribasushi: they get automatically uninstalled when aptitude detects that they're no longer in use. That is, of course, when you uninstall with aptitude |
| 11:58.46 | lunitik | tralala: yeah... thats the bit he already knew... |
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| 11:58.54 | ribasushi | tralala: read the question again |
| 11:59.03 | lunitik | tralala: they are not purged however... which is what he's asking... |
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| 12:00.03 | tralala | ribasushi: aren't they pruged if you purge the one they depend upon? |
| 12:00.06 | lunitik | Hmm... nope, it doesn't either |
| 12:00.13 | ribasushi | lunitik: isn't the auto/nonauto flag internal to aptitude and not visible to apt-get? |
| 12:00.16 | lunitik | tralala: no |
| 12:00.31 | cydork | !purge |
| 12:00.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, purge is to complete wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package]..or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge $(aptitude search '~c') |
| 12:00.58 | lunitik | ribasushi: apt-get can access anything aptitude can... they are just frontends to apt itself |
| 12:01.16 | azeem | lunitik: I don't think so |
| 12:01.18 | lunitik | cydork: everyone knows how to purge... |
| 12:01.27 | azeem | aptitude (and synaptic) implement advanced logic on top of APT |
| 12:01.32 | azeem | like that automatic installed stuff |
| 12:01.34 | ribasushi | cydork: you nailed it :) |
| 12:01.37 | ribasushi | thanks |
| 12:01.40 | azeem | but maybe it got merged into libapt recently |
| 12:01.42 | Braindead | http://www.luv.asn.au/overheads/aptitude/aptitude-intro.html |
| 12:01.50 | Braindead | it's a nice introduction |
| 12:01.59 | lunitik | azeem: my apt-get has autoremove... so you're wrong. |
| 12:02.40 | Kurtism | how can you use apt to install a program without using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 12:02.51 | lunitik | Kurtism: you can't |
| 12:03.06 | petemc | why would you want to?> |
| 12:03.06 | Kurtism | [07:01] <lunitik> ribasushi: apt-get can access anything aptitude can... they are just frontends to apt itself |
| 12:03.09 | lunitik | Kurtism: apt is just a backend... for which many frontends take advantage... |
| 12:03.39 | Kurtism | you should beable to use the backend directly then |
| 12:03.42 | Braindead | I can't even recall who made the question: anyway --purge-unused could be what you're looking for |
| 12:03.45 | lunitik | Kurtism: you can... write code that utilizes apt... |
| 12:03.53 | cydork | Kurtism: apt is just a lib. programs like apt-ge , apt-cache use that lib. |
| 12:04.06 | Kurtism | ok |
| 12:04.12 | lunitik | Kurtism: see apt-python ... and the ruby binding etc... for examples |
| 12:04.26 | Braindead | ribasushi: here you go: --purge-unused |
| 12:04.41 | Kurtism | !--purge-unused |
| 12:04.51 | lunitik | Braindead: despite the name of the command... that doesn't purge either... heh |
| 12:05.13 | lunitik | Braindead: still leaves config files everywhere |
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| 12:05.33 | Kurtism | perhaps these are custom config files that apt don't know about |
| 12:05.42 | Kurtism | thus doesn't know to remove |
| 12:05.47 | cydork | lunitic: aptitude purge $(aptitude search '~c') |
| 12:06.05 | cydork | lunitik: you can use that after removing packages . |
| 12:06.05 | lunitik | cydork: autocomplete is neat |
| 12:06.48 | lunitik | cydork: can... yes |
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| 12:10.19 | ribasushi | cydork: but there is no corresponding action in the aptitude UI itself correct? |
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| 12:10.49 | cydork | ribasushi: no idea. never used UI except command line |
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| 12:11.23 | sll | hi, I have problems downloading Debian DVD iso nº1 |
| 12:11.36 | Braindead | lunitik: are you sure it doesn't purge the packages? http://rafb.net/paste/results/PjqxfB56.html |
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| 12:11.47 | simonrvn | there is, just hit / then do the ~c |
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| 12:11.50 | tralala | sll: use a different mirror |
| 12:11.58 | Braindead | as you may see it would {p} the packages |
| 12:12.02 | sll | I did it |
| 12:12.27 | tralala | so what appears to be the problem? |
| 12:12.28 | Braindead | sll: are you trying to save the iso onto a FAT32 file system? |
| 12:12.45 | Braindead | sll: just saying "problems" doesn't help us |
| 12:12.58 | sll | Braindead: yes, I think |
| 12:13.07 | cydork | 4gb limit? |
| 12:13.21 | simonrvn | for fat32 yes |
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| 12:13.38 | ribasushi | simonrvn: duh... thanks :) |
| 12:13.46 | sll | Now I'm over Win using FreshDownload in order to download DVD ISO |
| 12:14.06 | sll | I don't have problems with ISO number 2 |
| 12:14.09 | ribasushi | simonrvn: is there a way to frame the search - in other words to have aptitude give you a list of all ~c one after another |
| 12:14.26 | simonrvn | just hit next |
| 12:14.28 | simonrvn | n |
| 12:15.45 | tralala | sll: a) for downloading DVD's it's highly recommended to use jigdo; b) you have to use a different filesystem to store files that big |
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| 12:16.37 | Braindead | sll: c) don't download the dvds unless you *really* need them to work offline. a net install/single cd install and you should be good to go |
| 12:16.46 | deceptacon | is it possible for tightvncserver to stop sending data when the computer goes into screensaver? |
| 12:17.11 | sll | Braindead I know, I installed debia base last month |
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| 12:19.01 | sll | and perhaps I will not have line for 2 months |
| 12:19.21 | sll | then I really need |
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| 12:19.37 | zzz_ | Hi! Under a working debian system i created a new partition. How can i make reread the partition table by the system without rebooting the OS? |
| 12:20.08 | simonrvn | depends. some systems you can do that, others not |
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| 12:20.28 | simonrvn | depends on the type of partition table/map/whatever AFAICT |
| 12:21.10 | sll | well, I think my problem isn't usual |
| 12:21.17 | zzz_ | simonrvn: If posibble, how to do it? I tried blockdev --rereadpt device, but i got device or resource busy. |
| 12:21.50 | sll | jido is perhaps a solution, thanks |
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| 12:22.00 | simonrvn | hdparm i think. sec |
| 12:22.12 | zzz_ | simonrvn: thx. |
| 12:22.16 | tralala | sll: still you wan't be able to store it on fat32 |
| 12:22.21 | tralala | won't |
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| 12:23.25 | jetscreamer | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r3/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 12:23.41 | simonrvn | hdparm -z option -> man hdparm |
| 12:23.42 | jetscreamer | oops |
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| 12:24.25 | stojic | hello, I installed etch from netinst iso. I am wondering can I safely remove the CD from sources.list? |
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| 12:24.39 | zzz_ | simonrvn: I got back then this: BLKRRPART failed: Device or resource busy |
| 12:24.40 | fireba11 | stojic: of course |
| 12:24.41 | simonrvn | sure, just have some other sources ;) |
| 12:24.48 | stojic | ok, thanks :) |
| 12:25.38 | jetscreamer | just comment it out, put a # in front |
| 12:25.51 | stojic | yep yep, did that |
| 12:25.57 | jetscreamer | you have to use apt-cdrom to put one back |
| 12:26.03 | jetscreamer | you can't just uncomment it |
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| 12:26.46 | simonrvn | must make things really pasty tasting having a yogourt tongue |
| 12:27.17 | stojic | jetscreamer: ok, will keep that on my mind, although I don't think I'll need it |
| 12:28.01 | perlmonkey | hi |
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| 12:29.10 | perlmonkey | im following a howto explaining how to get my wifi card working in Deb and I have a question. There is a section explaining how to get firmware to work for the card, and I'm wondering if I carry this set out, will it alter the cards firmware and mean the card will no longer work in Windows? |
| 12:29.46 | tralala | jetscreamer: you can (at least with sarge). I've been commenting and uncommenting cd lines a lot. |
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| 12:29.57 | perlmonkey | set = step |
| 12:32.11 | tralala | perlmonkey: the firmware of the wireless cards is not stored (usually) on the card itself but it's uploaded by the driver on every load. So you're card _should_ be safe. |
| 12:32.46 | tralala | !fix my typing |
| 12:33.49 | ofer1 | !fix apt-get |
| 12:34.02 | g333k | Hi, how to configure no-ip ? |
| 12:35.20 | Ronin | g333k: you read the no-ip.com website |
| 12:36.23 | tralala | g333k: I don't know if ddclient supports no-ip but you can give it a try. |
| 12:36.52 | g333k | tralala, theres a pkg no-ip, but I forgot how to congirure it |
| 12:36.56 | Ronin | g333k: seriously, first time i ran no-ip on linux i just followed thier directions |
| 12:37.16 | tralala | g333k: dpkg-reconfigure no-ip? |
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| 12:37.45 | perlmonkey | tralala: many thanks |
| 12:38.01 | tralala | perlmonkey: you're welcome |
| 12:38.51 | fourat | is there any way to get a squid authentification over a database ? |
| 12:39.42 | tralala | perlmonkey: of course you realize that I don't give any garanties whatsoever and I will not buy you a new computer if this firmware corrupts your ram, overheats your cpu and blows up your display. |
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| 12:40.29 | g333k | tralala, nop |
| 12:40.50 | g333k | Ronin, did you installed the tar.gz that they provide ? |
| 12:40.52 | tralala | g333k: dpkg-reconfigure -plow? |
| 12:40.56 | perlmonkey | im compiling a driver module :-o |
| 12:41.05 | perlmonkey | 1st time ever |
| 12:41.15 | g333k | tralala, ? |
| 12:41.21 | tralala | perlmonkey: what's your hardware? |
| 12:41.25 | Ronin | g333k: iifc yes but that was a long time ago so who knows |
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| 12:41.46 | tralala | g333k: try with the -plow option |
| 12:42.16 | perlmonkey | tralala: Toshiba Tecra 8100 P3-500/256/12GB, 11g wifi |
| 12:42.31 | jooopyme | How do I load X without getting prompt for password? |
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| 12:42.58 | fireba11 | jooopyme ? |
| 12:43.02 | jetscreamer | jooopyme: you can set that in kdm or gdm for one |
| 12:43.04 | tralala | perlmonkey: I mean the wifi card. And the chipset in particular. What's the driver you're compiling? |
| 12:43.13 | wols_ | jooopyme: you always get a prompt for a password. you always must login before you can use a debian box |
| 12:43.14 | jetscreamer | perlmonkey: i have an 8000 |
| 12:43.21 | jetscreamer | you must be compiling the modem |
| 12:43.31 | jetscreamer | i did mine it locked the box :/ |
| 12:43.52 | infoB | help with dpkg |
| 12:43.55 | infoB | ! |
| 12:43.58 | perlmonkey | tralala: it's a D-Link DWL-G650+ using the Texas Instruments acx100 driver |
| 12:43.59 | jetscreamer | or are you compiling a wireless |
| 12:44.04 | jetscreamer | i don't have one |
| 12:44.12 | tralala | wols_: (at least) kdm and gdm can be configured for autologin |
| 12:44.12 | jooopyme | wols_: well I want to do it |
| 12:44.17 | perlmonkey | tralala: I also have a cheapo Origo which has the same chipset |
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| 12:44.26 | jooopyme | wols_: and linux can let me |
| 12:44.31 | jooopyme | wols_: just how? |
| 12:44.40 | infoB | can anyone HELP me with dpkg, plz? |
| 12:44.41 | jetscreamer | and there's a way to boot x from init |
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| 12:44.54 | wols_ | !tell infoB about ask |
| 12:45.03 | jetscreamer | infoB: wtf do you want to know |
| 12:45.16 | tralala | infoB: I would think so |
| 12:45.17 | perlmonkey | jetscreamer: these are good solid laptops eh. I haven't ever used the modem on mine, but I have heard they use Windose chipset? |
| 12:45.19 | wols_ | jetscreamer: and it's a stupid thing to do |
| 12:45.29 | jetscreamer | perlmonkey: ltmodem |
| 12:45.34 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 12:45.38 | infoB | wols_, can dpkg tell me in what folders package is installed? |
| 12:45.46 | jetscreamer | there's source, but... :( |
| 12:45.49 | tralala | perlmonkey: I haven't used this driver but I guess you should be fine. |
| 12:45.54 | wols_ | dpkg -L <package> |
| 12:45.55 | dpkg | No packages found matching <package> |
| 12:46.05 | perlmonkey | tralala: the firmware seems to have loaded and the module has loaded fine too |
| 12:46.06 | tralala | dpkg: shut up |
| 12:46.06 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 12:46.07 | jetscreamer | !botsnack |
| 12:46.07 | dpkg | jetscreamer: :) |
| 12:46.12 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 12:46.49 | tralala | perlmonkey: now all you need to do is connect :) |
| 12:46.50 | infoB | wols_, i used it suggested way but info is incomplete... |
| 12:46.55 | perlmonkey | :-] |
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| 12:47.07 | wols_ | infoB: how is it "incomplete" |
| 12:47.21 | tralala | infoB: what's the package with the incomplete info? |
| 12:47.30 | jetscreamer | perlmonkey: i hate to say it, but mine is a lot peppier with w98 :/ i think it's the neomagic, or my xorg.conf |
| 12:47.36 | Coke | Hello. known_hosts (ssh) looks a bit different than the last time I saw it, I need to remove an old host-entry, but the hashed values in known_hosts are unreadable, what's the way to do it correctly? |
| 12:47.41 | wols_ | tralala: don't you love them? |
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| 12:48.11 | simonrvn | tralala: info? |
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| 12:48.14 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 12:49.03 | infoB | when i use dpkg -L package i get incomplete info. info is more or less only about packages doc... |
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| 12:49.20 | simonrvn | um, man dpkg |
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| 12:49.44 | azeem | infoB: files which are generated by the maintainer scripts during installation are not reported by dpkg -L |
| 12:49.51 | wols_ | infoB: dpkg -L <package> |less |
| 12:50.09 | gfox | hi, any one knows the meaning and the difference between "*" and "!" in the password field of /etc/shadow ? |
| 12:50.26 | infoB | thnx |
| 12:50.37 | tralala | gfox: man passwd? |
| 12:50.46 | wols_ | gfox: man shadow knows |
| 12:50.56 | infernixx | does someone know the name of the software (read: kernel patch + userspace tools) that allows for two (clustered) servers to share the same physical disk in a scsi-cluster-like way, sort of like a software layer over two physical disks in two separate servers? i can't remember it's name. |
| 12:51.00 | tralala | ops, shadows that is |
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| 12:51.10 | gfox | man shadows says nothing I can understand, it is confusiong |
| 12:51.23 | simonrvn | then read slowly |
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| 12:51.44 | Pr0nStrGeek | infernixx: are you talking about iscsi? |
| 12:51.48 | simonrvn | and have a dictionary ready ;) |
| 12:51.49 | gfox | simonrvn: i did manu times I even read RH man page that doesn't say the same thing |
| 12:52.07 | tralala | gfox: so you would like to have somebody to read it and explain it to you for free? |
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| 12:52.30 | gfox | tralala: well if you can I would be gratefull |
| 12:52.30 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.31 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.36 | wols_ | what's hard about that? |
| 12:52.45 | infernixx | Pr0nStrGeek, no. it's a kernel patch + userspace tools to allow one to have similar functionality as you would have with two servers connected to the same SCSI bus, that share (well not share, only one server at a time) the same physical disk. Only this patch makes it work over software & tcp-ip |
| 12:53.00 | gfox | I can tell you they are not the same, that's wy i am asking for the DIFFERNECE between them |
| 12:53.48 | gfox | if you want to see the diff change * to ! and back again and try to ssh on the server, you'll be suprised of the difference ! |
| 12:53.57 | wols_ | infernixx: clustered filesystem? |
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| 12:54.14 | infernixx | wols: no, not that either. i'm digging though, i gotta find it again |
| 12:54.47 | infernixx | wols_, it's like a software layer between the physical disks and the OS, that keeps disk I/O in sync on two separate machines, over TCP/IP |
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| 12:55.06 | tralala | infernixx: was it more that disk clustering? openmosix is a kernel patch for complete cluster computing |
| 12:55.08 | awais | infernixx: nrdb? |
| 12:55.31 | awais | or nbd even |
| 12:55.57 | dendrite | infernixx: drdb? Check out http://www.linux-ha.org/ maybe? |
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| 12:56.19 | infernixx | cheers, thats the one. thanks :) |
| 12:57.03 | awais | nrdb and drbd are network raid...nbd is actually a network block device ... which is what you want infernixx? |
| 12:57.05 | infernixx | drbd |
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| 12:57.21 | gfox | wols_: seams pam at least does not treat * and ! the same way |
| 12:57.30 | infernixx | drbd is exactly what i need for a 2-node failover setup:) |
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| 12:58.25 | awais | you said you wanted to share the same physical disk :) |
| 12:58.42 | disasm | i get a weird error, when I run screen when I'm logged in on a term /var/run/screen must be 775 but if I have a script launch screen in crontab it tells me it must be 777 anyone ever see this weird behavior? |
| 12:58.52 | tralala | awais: he was joking ;) |
| 13:00.04 | g333k | offtopic: how to know if my no-ip configuration is working good? |
| 13:00.05 | infernixx | awais: yeah. but my wording improved over time, though |
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| 13:00.12 | awais | heh |
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| 13:01.08 | perlmonkey | jetscreamer: what is your spec? |
| 13:01.10 | infernixx | drbd seems to me the ideal solution for keeping data shared on a 2-node active/standby cluster, but if someone has suggestions, i'm open to other ideas |
| 13:01.27 | tralala | g333k: do whatever it takes to have your ip changed and then dig yourdomain.no-ip.com +short |
| 13:01.51 | perlmonkey | tralala: it went smoooooth as a nut! the card is now working, got wifi connection |
| 13:01.55 | jetscreamer | neomagic nm2200(iirc) 256 ram p2 366 |
| 13:02.07 | tralala | perlmonkey: congratulations |
| 13:02.30 | perlmonkey | jetscreamer: same memory as me but older processor (mine is P3-500) could that account for performance? |
| 13:02.33 | tralala | jetscreamer: sounds like my thinkpad 600e |
| 13:02.37 | perlmonkey | =) |
| 13:03.01 | jetscreamer | i got the hibernation working though |
| 13:03.35 | jetscreamer | did you discover the two toshiba kernel modules ? |
| 13:04.22 | g333k | tralala, when I run no-ip -C I receive this message: "Read from dynupdate.no-ip.com failed (Connection reset by peer) |
| 13:04.22 | g333k | " |
| 13:04.37 | jetscreamer | perlmonkey: i think it's the video making it drag.. does ok in console |
| 13:04.54 | tralala | g333k: sounds like a problem |
| 13:04.56 | jetscreamer | but disk access takes a while |
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| 13:06.26 | Coke | Where can I find a list of security update apt source mirrors? |
| 13:07.00 | toshiro__ | I have a DEC quad NIC that, when I up the interface, keeps flooding the console with messages saying its set to 100Mb/sec one second, then the next second it says its unconnected. nothing wrong with the cable. anything I can do? |
| 13:07.25 | jetscreamer | Coke: i've only heard of security.debian.org |
| 13:07.43 | Coke | jetscreamer: what would be the correct source list entry for it? |
| 13:08.01 | beardy | toshiro__: Make sure it's connected correctly and tightly in it's slot, after that, replace it if it doesn't change. |
| 13:08.15 | jetscreamer | i think #deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 13:08.21 | jetscreamer | w/o the # |
| 13:08.27 | toshiro__ | beardy it is |
| 13:08.40 | Coke | jetscreamer: jepp. the problem was the deb-src my friend had. no such thing. |
| 13:08.52 | beardy | toshiro__: At the other end, are things working there? |
| 13:09.04 | toshiro__ | beardy yup, its on a hub, nothing wrong with it |
| 13:09.06 | beardy | toshiro__: To where it's cable is connected? |
| 13:09.14 | jetscreamer | #deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free in my list |
| 13:09.22 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 13:09.41 | jetscreamer | nah i don't have one |
| 13:09.41 | beardy | toshiro__: Hmm, it's driver/module? Any known problems with it? |
| 13:09.44 | Coke | jetscreamer: there's no deb-src, I get a 404 for it, that was the problem. |
| 13:09.46 | perlmonkey | tralala: I wasn't able to get my nicer D-Link G650+ card working (expecting TIACX111.BIN firmware image - not finding), so I'm running the Origo card |
| 13:09.51 | tralala | Coke: the sarge installer is adding automatically the security line to the sources.list |
| 13:09.55 | beardy | toshiro__: its |
| 13:10.05 | jetscreamer | so does the etch installer |
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| 13:11.16 | tralala | perlmonkey: put the image (it's likely found on the windows' drivers cd) into /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ and you should be fine |
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| 13:13.42 | perlmonkey | tralala: I renamed the image I had working with other card, and the firmware seemed to load, however "MAC initialize failure!" error |
| 13:14.25 | tralala | perlmonkey: you can't expect foreign firmware to work with your card. Use the manifacturer supplied one. |
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| 13:14.43 | perlmonkey | tralala: there is no manufacturer one |
| 13:14.57 | tralala | there has to be |
| 13:15.30 | perlmonkey | tralala: thats why I am using the acx100 firmware provided by Christian Kirbach |
| 13:16.11 | perlmonkey | When the Cardbus or USB adapter is plugged in it needs to be loaded with a firmware driver. The firmware is not provided by the driver; Texas Instruments has not even responded to thousands of user biddings. It needs to be downloaded separately. D-Link granted redistribution; |
| 13:16.11 | tralala | which apparently doesn't work |
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| 13:16.19 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 13:16.45 | smellydog | hi |
| 13:16.58 | perlmonkey | hi smelly |
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| 13:17.45 | smellydog | I just misdelete a file, but it is being open by Azure, How can I recovery it? |
| 13:18.18 | Coke | Where do I set the LC_ variables Debian-style? |
| 13:18.58 | jetscreamer | /etc/defaul i 'think' |
| 13:18.59 | smellydog | I think it's integrate on my harddisk |
| 13:19.04 | jetscreamer | t |
| 13:22.03 | tralala | smellydog: /msg dpkg undelete |
| 13:22.31 | tralala | of course, the best way is to restore it from your backups |
| 13:23.07 | Bhavesh | what are backups? :) |
| 13:23.45 | tralala | !qotd126 |
| 13:23.45 | dpkg | somebody said qotd126 was <helios> sorry for my english: I was rushing on my prompt (silly me!) and just stopped in time an "rm -rf /etc"...but I deleted all /etc/init* files and dirs <asg> helios: restore from backups. <helios> asg, backups? |
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| 13:24.36 | MZM_UNIX_troll | hi, how can I skip package postinstalation script with dpkg? |
| 13:24.51 | azeem | MZM_UNIX_troll: check dpkg --help and/or the manpage |
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| 13:25.00 | tralala | or backups are these things we always promise to ourselfs to start doing every time we lose our data |
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| 13:25.43 | smellydog | thanks toshiro |
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| 13:26.05 | tralala | msn_unix_troll will make much more sense |
| 13:26.50 | MZM | tralala: nf |
| 13:26.55 | jetscreamer | backup is that .iso on the remote(read livingroom) box |
| 13:27.00 | tralala | !nf |
| 13:27.41 | Bhavesh | i should setup cron jobs to backup stuff to remote pc ( bedroom to office pc) |
| 13:28.26 | Bhavesh | how about backup to a USB attached drive? |
| 13:28.41 | tralala | slow |
| 13:28.43 | Bhavesh | that would work wouldn't it.. specially the important stuff is about 100MB, |
| 13:28.55 | Bhavesh | the rest is just star trek voyager eposides, all 7 seaons |
| 13:29.01 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 13:29.18 | Bhavesh | oh and a couple of movies .. ahem |
| 13:29.32 | jetscreamer | i have that dvd set... |
| 13:29.43 | jetscreamer | yeah that's it, dvd... |
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| 13:29.57 | jetscreamer | not .avi |
| 13:30.23 | Bhavesh | yup |
| 13:30.26 | Bhavesh | that's what i meant |
| 13:30.42 | jetscreamer | yeah... |
| 13:31.00 | jetscreamer | i liked my dvd set of ds9 better than stv |
| 13:31.01 | Bhavesh | i spend $100 / gift set |
| 13:31.24 | Bhavesh | jetscreamer: you know i got into DS9 later.. i did't realize that DS9 actually had a good running story :) |
| 13:31.38 | Bhavesh | correction $110/set |
| 13:31.39 | jetscreamer | the ending sucked |
| 13:31.59 | jetscreamer | i think they had plans to keep going but got cancelled |
| 13:32.03 | lunitik | Bhavesh: DS9 is probably my favorate star trek for that very reason... that or Voyager... |
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| 13:32.36 | Bhavesh | well i lost intrest in Enterprise in hurry because they kept changing the time slot at the time when they actually made it more interesting |
| 13:32.53 | Bhavesh | lunitik: i like Voyager.. it's interesting idea |
| 13:32.54 | qailer | does anyone know where the libtorrent headers are placed? |
| 13:32.56 | cydork | startrek sucks big time! |
| 13:32.56 | jooopyme | I write reboot but the computer won't reboot. What should I have to check? |
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| 13:33.18 | jetscreamer | i stopped on stv s6e7 |
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| 13:33.42 | Bhavesh | hahaha |
| 13:33.54 | Bhavesh | well i wanted to watch Enterprise, but i could never tell when it was on! |
| 13:34.00 | Bhavesh | no wonder they had to cancel it |
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| 13:36.22 | lunitik | I liked the captain in Quantum Leap though... that was a neat show... |
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| 13:38.31 | d0uglas | Hi. Is there a way to fire up OpenGL on an ATI Radeon Mobility U1? |
| 13:38.53 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.01 | d0uglas | that's what lspci tells me i have |
| 13:39.25 | wols_ | Ah. IGP320 |
| 13:39.55 | qailer | I don't know how to get wat I miss: http://paste.uni.cc/10590 anyone? |
| 13:39.55 | rgsteele | jooopyme: Check the syslog |
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| 13:40.06 | d0uglas | wols_: sounds about right |
| 13:40.09 | jooopyme | rgsteele: ok |
| 13:41.16 | wols_ | d0uglas: radeon or fglrx. if you have 3D support then with those |
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| 13:42.05 | d0uglas | ahh fglrx is non-free |
| 13:42.10 | d0uglas | that's why i couldn't find it |
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| 13:42.19 | cydork | qailer: didn't you ask the same question that day? check for existance of libtorrent/entry.hpp |
| 13:42.45 | qailer | cydork: slightly different :) |
| 13:42.47 | d0uglas | thanks wols |
| 13:43.21 | qailer | cydork: I can't get is anywhere |
| 13:43.26 | qailer | find it* |
| 13:43.51 | d0uglas | If I switch to experimental, will a lot of my existing packages not update unless I change the sources list back? |
| 13:44.05 | cydork | d0uglas: experimental?? |
| 13:44.13 | azeem | d0uglas: you cannot switch to experimental |
| 13:44.23 | d0uglas | can't dist upgrade? |
| 13:44.24 | azeem | d0uglas: you can just pick packages from there to install |
| 13:44.31 | azeem | no, experimental is not a full dist |
| 13:44.45 | qailer | d0uglas: fglrx is in unstable |
| 13:44.47 | qailer | as well |
| 13:45.08 | d0uglas | qailer: I realize that but i want to try experimental software anyway |
| 13:45.16 | abrotman | you probably don't |
| 13:45.22 | d0uglas | i know it sounds crazy |
| 13:45.25 | abrotman | no .. really |
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| 13:45.46 | d0uglas | but i gots to have the latest ware on the block |
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| 13:45.53 | qailer | d0uglas, I'm running unstable/ecperimental, quite mucg broken packages,but bugs get fixed faster :) |
| 13:46.00 | qailer | exper* |
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| 13:46.03 | abrotman | d0uglas: compile your own |
| 13:46.15 | jooopyme | I write reboot and i get the broadcast message to all ttys but no reboot happen but the log is empty |
| 13:46.22 | d0uglas | i've been using sid for a long time without any problems |
| 13:46.23 | h3sp4wn | Fonts look better in the firefox2 in experimental - beta nvidia drivers are only in experimental |
| 13:47.02 | MZM | lunitik: also on i855gm? :) |
| 13:47.19 | lunitik | MZM: I'm confused |
| 13:47.30 | abrotman | jooopyme: something is probably stuck |
| 13:47.34 | abrotman | lunitik: wtf have you been hiding ? |
| 13:47.48 | d0uglas | i'd describe the debian decisions as conservative insofar as releasing software to stable (or even testing) |
| 13:48.02 | MZM | lunitik: I sed - have you too i855gm video card, that sucks/is broken w 7.1? |
| 13:48.07 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -t experimental (watch your system get messed up as you try to upgrade libc |
| 13:48.09 | abrotman | d0uglas: software doesn't get released to stable |
| 13:48.15 | lunitik | abrotman: I've been around... |
| 13:48.20 | abrotman | lunitik: different nick ? |
| 13:48.21 | tralala | d0uglas: that's exactly what I want - conservative (as in working) software |
| 13:48.34 | lunitik | MZM: ahhh... new intel drivers... naw... SIS card :/ |
| 13:48.57 | MZM | lunitik: eaven better :) |
| 13:49.01 | lunaphyte_ | how do i give eth0 an additional ip address? |
| 13:49.06 | lunitik | abrotman: no... just no decent IRC client... was using Gnome... and apparently Xchat hates me :/ |
| 13:49.20 | d0uglas | is fglrx some kind of emulator or does it perform more or less as well as opengl |
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| 13:49.33 | jooopyme | abrotman: how can i check it |
| 13:49.42 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: fglrx is buggy and non free |
| 13:49.49 | lunitik | d0uglas: fglrx is ati's proprietary drivers |
| 13:49.53 | cydork | !tell lunaphyte_ about ipalias |
| 13:49.54 | tralala | lunitik: irssi runs just fine in gnome terminal |
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| 13:50.14 | lunitik | tralala: takes up more memory |
| 13:50.39 | tralala | lunitik: more than what? |
| 13:50.45 | lunitik | And having IRSSI chilling on TTY1 isn't ideal either |
| 13:50.46 | Bhavesh | what takes up more memory? irssi in gnome terminal vs from console? |
| 13:51.00 | lunitik | tralala: any non-terminal irc client I've used... |
| 13:51.20 | lunitik | Bhavesh: that would logically take more memory too... but no |
| 13:51.21 | tralala | lunitik: okay, I'll take your word on it |
| 13:51.24 | wols_ | Bhavesh: is that a trick question? |
| 13:51.29 | baroni | Hi all. I'm needing a basic and small debian-filesystem. Does anybody knows where can I get such one? Maybe from net-inst? -- or is this one incomplete? |
| 13:51.29 | abrotman | jooopyme: look at the process table |
| 13:51.37 | lunitik | wols_: haha |
| 13:51.38 | Bhavesh | wols_: i tried to make it one but it just turned out dumb :) |
| 13:51.40 | abrotman | lunitik: irssi in a gnome-term? xchat? chatzilla ? |
| 13:51.57 | lunitik | abrotman: *zilla and me don't get along |
| 13:51.58 | wols_ | baroni: your question does not compute |
| 13:52.04 | wols_ | how are filesystems "small"? |
| 13:52.07 | abrotman | lunitik: i've never used it .. can't comment |
| 13:52.21 | abrotman | lunitik: why doesn't xchat like you ? |
| 13:52.22 | cydork | baroni: you want minimal installation?? |
| 13:52.30 | lunitik | abrotman: its *ugly*... but then you don't seem to mind aethetics most of the time :) |
| 13:52.38 | qailer | cydork: sry for being annoying. think I found it now |
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| 13:52.41 | d0uglas | baroni: do you deal with a lot of small files generally? |
| 13:52.41 | abrotman | lunitik: i don't mind it .. but my IRC needs aren't complicated |
| 13:52.56 | cydork | qailer: np :) |
| 13:53.08 | jooopyme | abrotman: what should I look for? |
| 13:53.10 | abrotman | d0uglas: don't confuse him |
| 13:53.13 | d0uglas | ok |
| 13:53.14 | lunitik | abrotman: doesn't save sessions... and I always forget to start it again after reboot... heh |
| 13:53.24 | abrotman | jooopyme: something that hsoulod have shut down .. like apache |
| 13:53.33 | abrotman | lunitik: save sessions? dunno .. never tried .. |
| 13:53.38 | lunitik | abrotman: konversation tucks away in system tray... and restarts... |
| 13:53.57 | abrotman | lunitik: there is xchat-systray .. but i think it's for notification |
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| 13:54.03 | lunitik | ... when I restart... easier to remember... excuse my grammar though |
| 13:54.20 | abrotman | so yu're blaming software for your faulty brain ? :) |
| 13:54.29 | jooopyme | abrotman: nop nothing |
| 13:54.39 | tralala | lunitik: you can use your favourite autostart method as a workaround |
| 13:54.45 | Bhavesh | are we discussing /comparing irc clients? |
| 13:54.53 | lunitik | abrotman: I think I'm allowed :) |
| 13:55.06 | lunitik | Bhavesh: not entirely sure? |
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| 13:55.10 | abrotman | jooopyme: try to issue the 'reboot' again |
| 13:55.23 | tralala | Bhavesh: of course not - clearly nothing compares to irssi ;) |
| 13:55.32 | baroni | wols_, cydork , d0uglas : thanks for attention. Sorry - I mean a basic filesystem with minimal packages installed. That is to me boot a uml kernel with that filesystem |
| 13:55.32 | abrotman | Bhavesh: no .. just lunitik's laziness and faulty brain :) |
| 13:55.34 | FarrisG | How do you tell whather a usb device is enumerated at 1.1 or 2.0? |
| 13:55.37 | jooopyme | abrotman: nothing happen |
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| 13:55.44 | abrotman | jooopyme: something is hung |
| 13:55.44 | jooopyme | abrotman: just broadcast message |
| 13:55.49 | wols_ | baroni: netinst |
| 13:55.52 | cydork | Bhavesh: no we are discussing about lunitiK's faulty brain! |
| 13:55.52 | d0uglas | where can i find whatever config file that is telling sudo not to let non root users use it? |
| 13:55.56 | jooopyme | abrotman: yep but what ? |
| 13:56.11 | Bhavesh | ohh |
| 13:56.20 | wols_ | d0uglas: /etc/sudoers |
| 13:56.21 | cydork | d0uglas: /etc/sudoers |
| 13:56.23 | baroni | ok, I'll try :-) thanks wols_ |
| 13:56.24 | cydork | damn |
| 13:56.28 | fasta | When I login via gdm, gdm crashes, because (EE) AIGLX: DRI Module not loaded as per /var/log/gdm/<somelogfile>. Now, it's correct that I don't have DRI loaded, as I normally always loaded GLX, since I use the proprietary nvidia module. Only, now, I use the open-source nv driver. So, without binary blobs it's not working. What can I do about this? |
| 13:56.31 | infernixx | d0uglas, use visudo |
| 13:56.33 | wols_ | !lose cydork |
| 13:56.33 | dpkg | cydork: You Lose. |
| 13:56.36 | cydork | :( |
| 13:56.50 | abrotman | jooopyme: i'm not looking at your process table .. i can't tell you without seeing it |
| 13:57.06 | fasta | I can however just do startx -- :3 on a terminal. |
| 13:57.39 | jooopyme | abrotman: I will shutdown the services and then try to reboot |
| 13:57.46 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:58.00 | lunitik | fasta: afaik, aiglx doesn't support proprietary modules... unless they changed that stance :/ |
| 13:58.36 | fasta | lunitik: are you saying that I can't use gdm with the nv driver that doesn't support any fancy 3d stuff? |
| 13:58.38 | lunitik | fasta: if you need jelly windows... use xgl ... novell likes proprietary things |
| 13:58.47 | abrotman | xgl isn't in debian |
| 13:58.51 | fasta | lunitik: I don't want that jelly windows. |
| 13:58.53 | abrotman | and likely never will be .. use aiglx |
| 13:58.59 | lunitik | fasta: aiglx will support nv |
| 13:59.02 | fasta | lunitik: I just want to use any fancy stuff |
| 13:59.06 | lunitik | fasta: just not nvidia |
| 13:59.27 | fasta | lunitik:Err, I don't want to use any fancy stuff. |
| 13:59.34 | fasta | lunitik: I just want it to work. |
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| 13:59.49 | lunitik | fasta: then why are you trying to use aiglx at all? |
| 13:59.53 | godzirra | Can anyone please help me with setting up raid? i've yet to find a good howto and I can't get it working on my system. i'm trying to setup linux software raid. |
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| 13:59.56 | fasta | lunitik: I am not |
| 14:00.03 | abrotman | lunitik: way to keep up |
| 14:00.12 | fasta | lunitik: I only upgraded, and never enabled anything on purpose. |
| 14:00.13 | abrotman | see aforementioned notes about faulty brain |
| 14:00.18 | lunitik | abrotman: his error says aiglx :( |
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| 14:00.53 | fasta | I am not giving a flag -WayCool to any program or anything. |
| 14:00.54 | abrotman | lunitik: no shit .. XGL is NOT in debian .. aiglx is |
| 14:00.59 | ma3x | Hi, when I do /etc/init.d/apache2 restart, I get this : Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...apache2: Syntax error on line 185 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: API module structure `php5_module' in file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so is garbled - perhaps this is not an Apache module DSO? failed! |
| 14:01.06 | lunaphyte_ | cydork: thanks |
| 14:01.08 | ma3x | do you know how to fix the problem? |
| 14:01.11 | abrotman | ma3x: check the bts |
| 14:01.22 | fasta | abrotman: do you have any idea regarding this? |
| 14:01.30 | lunitik | abrotman: my statement "aiglx doesn't support proprietary modules, xgl does" is however true... |
| 14:01.54 | ma3x | abrotman, of what package? apache2? |
| 14:02.16 | godzirra | Can anyone even point me towards a good howto that isn't based on the 2.4 kernel on how to setup hardware raid? |
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| 14:02.40 | lunitik | !raid |
| 14:02.40 | dpkg | methinks raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks, the opposite of SLED, or what master.debian.org doesn't have See also: raid {0-5}, or http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/, or see http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid, or see <software raid> |
| 14:02.41 | abrotman | fasta: disable it |
| 14:02.46 | abrotman | lunitik: that's great ... |
| 14:02.55 | abrotman | ma3x: libapache2-mod-php5 maybe ? |
| 14:02.59 | d0uglas | when i'm in the console my battery lasts for two hours. When i'm in X, it's dead in a half hour. Even with a >1s load. What gives? that can't all be the screen being brighter, can it? |
| 14:03.11 | lunitik | !listkeys raid |
| 14:03.13 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'raid' by key (15 of 49): #debian raid ;; #debian raid 10 ;; #debian sata raid ;; #debian-bots raid0 ;; _default promise raid ;; _default raid ;; _default raid 5 ;; _default raid1 ;; _default raider ;; _default sata raid ;; be raid barbie ;; promise raid ;; raid0 ;; raid5 ;; sata raid. |
| 14:03.13 | abrotman | godzirra: you shouldn't have to .. you set it in the controller bios .. and the OS should just see one drive |
| 14:03.20 | fasta | abrotman: ok, so, you mean that I should RTFM on how to disable it? I tried kdm now, and kdm does work directly. |
| 14:03.26 | godzirra | abrotman: Apparently I have what people keep referring to as "fake raid" |
| 14:03.27 | De_Mon | ma3x that or the apache2php5 module |
| 14:03.34 | lunitik | Someone removed the simple raid howto... damn them |
| 14:03.35 | abrotman | godzirra: then that's not hardware raid |
| 14:03.53 | godzirra | abrotman: hence why I asked how to setup software raid. :) |
| 14:03.56 | abrotman | godzirra: so you want swraid |
| 14:03.56 | jooopyme | abrotman: well, all the services are down and still reboot don't work |
| 14:03.59 | abrotman | !swraid howto |
| 14:04.04 | jooopyme | abrotman: I tried init 6 too |
| 14:04.05 | abrotman | !software raid |
| 14:04.05 | dpkg | somebody said software raid was commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 14:04.12 | godzirra | Thansk abrotman |
| 14:04.12 | abrotman | jooopyme: hit the reset switch :) |
| 14:04.24 | jooopyme | abrotman: hehe |
| 14:04.38 | disasm | with custom 2.6 kernel, p4 doesn't show as being 2 cpu's anymore. I have arch set to p4/xeon as well as hyperthreading scheduling and smp support compiled into the kernel. Is this normal behavior or did I miss something? |
| 14:04.53 | h3sp4wn | fasta: Option "AIGLX" "false" |
| 14:04.56 | jooopyme | abrotman: that I could do If I was living at the servers room far far away from me ;) |
| 14:05.11 | cydork | disasm: what about stock smp kernel? |
| 14:05.16 | godzirra | abrotman: yeah, thats the one I already was reading thats for 2.4 kernels.... |
| 14:05.20 | disasm | cydork: behaved same way |
| 14:05.20 | fasta | h3sp4wn: that's an option in the driver section? |
| 14:05.28 | tralala | disasm: you are missing the point of the debian kernel images |
| 14:05.36 | godzirra | I can't seem to find a "mkraid" command. I've installed the mdadm and raidtools2 packages like they stated, but I still have no mkraid command |
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| 14:05.49 | lunitik | !search mkraid |
| 14:05.51 | tralala | disasm: and yes, you need -smp for hyperthreading |
| 14:05.51 | disasm | tralala: how am i missing the point? |
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| 14:05.57 | lunitik | I think thats in raidtools ... |
| 14:05.57 | chris_abyi | hey! which command is used to enter a "chroot" as a normal user? |
| 14:06.05 | tralala | disasm: by not using them |
| 14:06.19 | abrotman | godzirra: should be roughly the same |
| 14:06.21 | h3sp4wn | fasta: yes if it does not work try Option "AIGLX" "0" (I never know whether it should be on true or enable) |
| 14:06.22 | Rhizome | If you don't get more than 1 cpu your not using SMP, try again ;) |
| 14:06.25 | lunitik | chris_abyi: umm... 'chroot /where/ever/you/put/it' ? |
| 14:06.26 | abrotman | jooopyme: uhm .. |
| 14:06.37 | fasta | h3sp4wn: IIRC both are possible |
| 14:06.40 | godzirra | abrotman: what do I do about the mkraid command that apparently sets up the whole raid... |
| 14:06.40 | abrotman | !find mkraid sarge |
| 14:06.43 | jooopyme | abrotman: yeha |
| 14:06.46 | fasta | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 14:06.47 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mkraid' returned no results. |
| 14:06.53 | cydork | disasm: is smp ? :P |
| 14:06.58 | lunitik | !find mkraid sid |
| 14:07.06 | chris_abyi | lunitik: I meant entering a "chroot" as a normal user, not root |
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| 14:07.23 | abrotman | jooopyme: anything else running ? |
| 14:07.30 | h3sp4wn | chris_abyi: make chroot suid or use dchroot or schroot |
| 14:07.34 | disasm | cydork: i haven't tested it on a multiprocessor computer, as soon as everyone logs out of the dual xeon machine, i'll upgrade that one and see |
| 14:07.40 | rgsteele | Hey guys, gotta question. I have FAI doing an install of a Debian box. Everything seems to go ok, except that when I reboot the machine, All I get is a blank screen with a blinking cursor. It's like it didn't install the GRUB boot loader...but I didn't see any error messages during the FAI installation. Any way to check whether or not the boot loader is there? |
| 14:07.43 | chris_abyi | dchroot..okay. thanks |
| 14:07.59 | jooopyme | abrotman: hehe, sshd ;) |
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| 14:08.21 | d0uglas | i'm running an amd athlon on a laptop.. what package might i want to use for power management? and do i want to be using an -smp kernel? |
| 14:08.26 | keta | howdy, is there any workaround to get php5 and apache2.2 working in sid? |
| 14:08.27 | jooopyme | abrotman: and mingetty |
| 14:08.41 | godzirra | abrotman & lunitik: Any ideas? As you can see, my searching didnt turn up much |
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| 14:08.48 | disasm | tralala: i am using debian kernel images, just making my own debian kernel images for my specific environment ;-) |
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| 14:09.22 | tralala | disasm: you're not making sense |
| 14:09.36 | abrotman | godzirra: http://unthought.net/Software-RAID.HOWTO/Software-RAID.HOWTO-1.html |
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| 14:10.24 | tralala | disasm: and besides that what's wrong with the debian kernels? Why can't they meet your environment's needs? |
| 14:10.26 | disasm | tralala: using make-kpkg to build kernel images. main reason is some of the workstations have scsi controllers that don't work with the stock debian kernel |
| 14:10.37 | godzirra | abrotman: thats the same howto... I still dont have the mkraid command :) |
| 14:10.48 | abrotman | godzirra: just making sure you weren't using a 2.2 howot |
| 14:10.57 | godzirra | Ahh, ok |
| 14:10.58 | tralala | disasm: you mean the debian kernel has this support disabled or is too old? |
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| 14:11.22 | disasm | tralala: it kernel panics from conflicting modules |
| 14:12.00 | tralala | disasm: which modules are conflicting? |
| 14:12.07 | marsje_ | Exim question: since a while sending mails using my local exim4 server seems slow. I noticed that when I do "telnet localhost smtp", it takes more than 10 seconds before the 220 welcome messages shows up. Why? |
| 14:12.10 | abrotman | godzirra: this is on sarge? |
| 14:12.30 | godzirra | yup! |
| 14:12.36 | disasm | tralala: i can't recall of the top of my head, this was about 6 months ago when I ran into the problem |
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| 14:13.17 | tralala | disasm: and how did you solve it? By removing the offending module? |
| 14:13.25 | lunaphyte_ | what does level mean in "enable password xxxx level xx encrypted" ? |
| 14:13.36 | abrotman | godzirra: maybe .. mdadm can do it ? |
| 14:13.44 | disasm | tralala: exactly |
| 14:14.01 | disasm | tralala: compile in the one used, remove the unused ones |
| 14:14.25 | tralala | disasm: well, you can do this without compiling your own kernels - just blacklist the offending modules. |
| 14:14.34 | cydork | disasm: you can blacklist a specific module in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist too |
| 14:15.11 | h3sp4wn | Is debian going to provide a kernel that is suitable for a desktop before etch (or is there a kernel there I just haven't found) |
| 14:15.14 | godzirra | abrotman: I think it can b ut it keeps telling me /dev/md0 doesn't exist... |
| 14:15.18 | godzirra | how do I create /dev/md0 |
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| 14:15.57 | lunaphyte_ | oops - wrong channel. :\ |
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| 14:16.03 | laurens | hi |
| 14:16.24 | lunitik | !hi laurens |
| 14:16.40 | lunitik | @hi laurens |
| 14:16.40 | ravenbird | Many greetings, laurens, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 14:16.48 | infernixx | godzirra, if you're using mdadm to create an mdX device on udev, you might need to point it to /dev/.static/dev/md0 |
| 14:17.06 | tralala | !greet lunitik |
| 14:17.06 | dpkg | Tag, lunitik |
| 14:17.15 | d0uglas | On my office network, the mean IT lady won't let people email >20MB files, even locally. When someone emails a large file to a bunch of people locally, is there a way to get it to only make one copy of the file instead of storing 200 or whatever copies of the same file? or do they already do this? 20MB sounds kinda small. |
| 14:17.20 | tralala | !piece lunitik |
| 14:17.27 | tralala | oh, well |
| 14:17.28 | abrotman | godzirra: laser! |
| 14:17.28 | tralala | :) |
| 14:17.33 | d0uglas | it=the mail server |
| 14:17.36 | lunitik | !peace tralala |
| 14:17.48 | abrotman | !botabuse |
| 14:17.48 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 14:18.02 | lunitik | tralala: piece is like... a slice... or something |
| 14:18.03 | godzirra | infernixx: ahh.. that does work. |
| 14:18.03 | godzirra | thakns |
| 14:18.20 | tralala | lunitik: it's my lame english in action |
| 14:18.33 | Bhavesh | d0uglas: how about putting it on a server's share for everyone to look at and email the link |
| 14:19.09 | astronaute | its possible de remove SSH evrsion on login, and OS version please : Remote SSH version : SSH-2.0-OpenSSH blabla ? |
| 14:19.24 | godzirra | infernixx & abrotman: Ok... I got an error saying md: Could not bd_claim sda1... then md: error, md_import_device() returned -16. Then mdadm: ADD_NEW_DISK for /dev/sda1 failed: device or resource busy |
| 14:19.30 | godzirra | which is true, because i'm using /dev/sda1 |
| 14:19.52 | infernixx | godzirra, what on earth are you doing then? trying to erase your data in some strange way? |
| 14:20.00 | abrotman | erase it gently! |
| 14:20.08 | d0uglas | Bhavesh: people here resist change and don't have the attention span to spend 30 seconds learning how to drag and drop a file with ftp .. i'm looking for a method to have the mta do this itself without requiring people to do anything different |
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| 14:20.24 | d0uglas | (or even samba) |
| 14:20.39 | infernixx | godzirra, if you're creating an array with active disks, that's gonna be outside of the support you can expect here; google for howto's there but I strongly recommend you dont. If you're creating an array off new disks, dont point it to active disks, or boot from a CD and create it from there. |
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| 14:21.39 | czorg | does soemone can tell me the best solution to permit people to browse a directory tree via web client (firefox, ie, etc) respecting right on file and directory |
| 14:21.48 | humbolt | which joarnaling FS would you recommend for an external USB drive? |
| 14:21.52 | infernixx | godzirra, creating an array with one active disk/partition is a high risk operation, one typo and you're screwed. |
| 14:21.53 | godzirra | infernixx: ok.. I'll try booting from a cd and see how that works. |
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| 14:22.01 | godzirra | well, its a completely new install |
| 14:22.09 | godzirra | So if I get screwed I lose 30 minutes of work. |
| 14:22.22 | infernixx | godzirra, then make it a raid at installation time, by using the etch beta installer for example |
| 14:22.32 | disasm | d0uglas: your mean IT lady is a lot nicer than I am, I limit to 5M ;-) |
| 14:22.34 | godzirra | I didnt know I could do that. :) |
| 14:22.42 | godzirra | that would make my life a crapload easier. Where can I download the etch beta installer? |
| 14:22.46 | godzirra | and isn't etch unstable? |
| 14:23.03 | h3sp4wn | czorg: Have you tried ifolder enterprise server (may be an overkill for what you need) |
| 14:23.10 | awais | godzirra: are you building a mirror? |
| 14:23.15 | godzirra | awais: trying to. |
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| 14:23.45 | awais | godzirra: so you're trying to add the active partition as the first device in the mirror? |
| 14:23.46 | h3sp4wn | czorg: But there is an install guide for sarge |
| 14:24.07 | godzirra | awais: yes |
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| 14:24.49 | awais | you have to unmount it first :) |
| 14:25.01 | lunitik | (so do from a live cd) |
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| 14:25.17 | elriah | Hi all. I'm using /etc/init.d/skeleton to create a new init script. How do I pass commands to the daemon on start? i.e., if I have options I would normally type at the command line? |
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| 14:25.32 | lunitik | ... which coincidently, someone already recommended |
| 14:25.47 | godzirra | lunitik: Yes, they did, and i'm trying that first before trying the etch installer. |
| 14:26.01 | godzirra | dont worry, I -am- actually paying attention to the people trying to help me ;0 |
| 14:26.01 | godzirra | ;) |
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| 14:29.00 | cydork | elriah: did you check DAEMONARGS options? or something like that. i dont remember exactly |
| 14:29.32 | elriah | Wasn't in skeleton, but I wanted to do it the "debian" way so I just compiled in some defaults to my daemon... |
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| 14:30.03 | cydork | elriah: DAEMON_ARGS="--options args" |
| 14:30.14 | cydork | elriah: that is in skeleton |
| 14:31.04 | elriah | In sarge? Either way, problem solved.. Thanks, though :) |
| 14:31.52 | baroni | Hi all. Does anybody knows some way to protect the .gnupg/secring.gpg ? It is necessary to be there to most applications that uses it (like mutt), but if someones get inside of your pc (hacked), your private key is gone .. |
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| 14:33.20 | perlmonkey | tralala: Managed to get the D-Link G650+ working after a bit of fiddling. You were right I just needed to copy the firmware off the Windows driver cd |
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| 14:35.33 | havoc_ | in which packet "dkpg-source" is included in? an "apt-get source packetname" brings up an error that indecates it is not installed :( |
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| 14:35.56 | astronaute | how to hide SSH and OS version from SSH login please ?? |
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| 14:36.37 | disasm | astronaute: /etc/motd i think |
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| 14:38.21 | wols_ | havoc_: package.debian.org knows |
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| 14:38.39 | astronaute | disasm i can just change it in there, it will not mess up my system ? |
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| 14:39.13 | humbolt | If I have an external USB drive with an ext3 partition which gets mounted by gnome-volume-manager on hotplug. will this ext3 partition be fsck-ed after the so and so maniest mount? |
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| 14:40.12 | awais | baroni: those keys are encrypted with a passphrase usually |
| 14:40.15 | disasm | astronaute: motd is message of the day, basically whats displayed on login |
| 14:41.16 | astronaute | disasm yes but it doesnt display motd content on ssh login |
| 14:41.34 | disasm | astronaute: yeah, your right, just realized that |
| 14:41.51 | disasm | astronaute: so what is it displaying? |
| 14:41.52 | vin` | havoc_: or use apt-file |
| 14:41.54 | astronaute | i just want to hide ssh version spammed before login |
| 14:41.59 | astronaute | and OS version |
| 14:42.08 | baroni | awais: yeah, but if someone get access at your machine, and get your passphrase (not very hard as that someone is on your computer), you are done |
| 14:42.09 | havoc_ | vin`: wols_ found it :) thanks |
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| 14:42.18 | astronaute | actually nothing just last login infos |
| 14:42.35 | astronaute | Last login: Thu Oct 5 14:49:32 2006 from blabla |
| 14:42.37 | disasm | astronaute: actually it is displaying motd for me... |
| 14:43.00 | astronaute | disasm ok, but the problem is OS version and SSH version BEFORE login |
| 14:43.13 | astronaute | i dont want people to be able to see my OS version |
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| 14:44.01 | disasm | astronaute: i'm not seeing ssh version, and only mention of OS version is in the motd |
| 14:44.05 | astronaute | using nessus scan i can see SSH and OS version in it |
| 14:44.08 | pitillo | astronaute, I think that is part of ssh protocol, hack the source. |
| 14:44.35 | Ronin | or dont be so paranoid |
| 14:44.45 | humbolt | This one thing is not perfectly clear to me yet: If I have an external USB drive with an ext3 partition which gets mounted by gnome-volume-manager on hotplug, will this ext3 partition be fsck-ed after the so and so manyest mount? Or does that just apply to partitions which are mentioned in fstab? |
| 14:44.58 | disasm | astronaute: ah, yeah, that's ssh telling you |
| 14:45.29 | astronaute | yes, i just want to remove OS infos from SSH infos |
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| 14:45.40 | astronaute | or both of them |
| 14:45.48 | astronaute | but actually OS is more important |
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| 14:46.30 | disasm | astronaute: i assume a fresh compile of ssh from source would remove os version, ssh version is probably not an option to remove without editing the source code |
| 14:46.42 | tyler_ | dopod 838 Pro VS Sony Ericsson P990i....... which one is better? |
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| 14:47.20 | awais | baroni: They first need to gain access to your computer. Then they need to be root to install a key logger to get your passphrase. As soon as their root, its game over for the system itself. If your encryption key is more important to you than your computer, you should probably keep it offsite and use only a secure non-networked computer to decrypt stuff. |
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| 14:48.47 | astronaute | disasm its remote server im not on it, so if something goes wrong with ssh, its game over =) |
| 14:49.27 | syntaxx | is there a system restore in debian? i insert my bluetooth in my usb and my tvtime crash and my pc hangs then i reboot and remove my bluetooth now my tvtime doesnt work anymore |
| 14:49.47 | baroni | awais: yeah .. I agree. But I was trying to think about some hook to try to protect that.. something like keep your secret key in some memory location that is encrypted, .. and do some hook to get it from there.. |
| 14:50.07 | cbr | HAHAHA.. i installed the new kdelibs (3.5.5) in sid and now every webpage is opened as a plain text document and gives an error |
| 14:50.34 | syntaxx | and im getting bttv0: IRC lockup, cleared int mask [bits: FMTCHG* VSYNC* HSYNC* OFLOW* PPERR*] |
| 14:50.34 | baroni | awais: some idea? |
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| 14:51.07 | baroni | awais: what about? |
| 14:51.34 | abrotman | cbr: file a bug ? |
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| 14:51.52 | cbr | abrotman: it's maybe because konqueror 3.5.5 isnt yet in the repos |
| 14:52.17 | syntaxx | any idea? |
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| 14:53.23 | cydork | cbr: then it's your fault :P |
| 14:54.00 | cbr | yah :p |
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| 15:00.50 | awais | baroni: If someone has root on the box, then its not safe for you to have your key on there no matter what lengths you go to hide it. If I were root for I could simply strace the process doing the decryption to find out where the key was. If you need it to be ultra secure, either harden your system and take steps to ensure you know when its compromised, or store the key on a secure un-networked box, and use removable media to transfer data which |
| 15:00.50 | awais | needs to undergo any crypto |
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| 15:02.24 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 15:02.24 | dpkg | well, qotd148 is <Laney> alright lads. i set my root shell to /sbin/nolgin, but apparently that means i can't use "su -c" and sudo isn't installed. how can i change it back? :( |
| 15:03.02 | baroni | awais: yeah .. that makes very sense .. |
| 15:03.05 | baroni | thanks awais |
| 15:03.42 | baroni | awais: as root under any machine, you can do anything.. |
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| 15:05.27 | havoc_ | is there a possibility to the the group information of a user as an alphanumerical value ? |
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| 15:08.57 | tyler_ | anyone tried the new dopod 838 Pro? is it as buggy and hangs as often as its previous models? |
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| 15:09.18 | Allman | I just did a successfull installation of VMWare on my Debian Unstable... I gave the installation (perl) script the path to my kernel headers, etc. everything went find according to the output I got. Now, I try to run /usr/local/bin/vmware, but it just sits there... no output, no GUI, no nothing... what could be wrong? |
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| 15:11.46 | Angel-SL | !useless factoid |
| 15:11.46 | dpkg | it has been said that useless factoid is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills ubuntu user |
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| 15:12.03 | nightfly | hi all |
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| 15:12.14 | nightfly | how i can install vlc for an unstable version? |
| 15:12.21 | nightfly | there are too many dipendences |
| 15:12.39 | stew | nightfly: aptitude install vlc |
| 15:12.46 | stew | nightfly: what do you mean by "too many"? |
| 15:12.49 | nightfly | and too many packages that i can't install |
| 15:13.03 | nightfly | may i paste here |
| 15:13.05 | nightfly | from console? |
| 15:13.12 | stew | !paste |
| 15:13.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 15:13.12 | Malagmyr_ | Heh. someone sent me a handwritten message on MSN, and Gaim told me I ccan't vgiew handwritten messages with "my version of Windows Live Messenger". amusing |
| 15:13.24 | Bhavesh | hahaha |
| 15:13.37 | nightfly | ok |
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| 15:13.41 | nightfly | now i'll paste here |
| 15:13.45 | nightfly | just a minute |
| 15:13.49 | azeem | !paste |
| 15:13.49 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 15:13.52 | Ludootje | hi! I'm using sid, and up until yesterday my ctrl and win keys worked fine. now suddenly they don't anymore. I just ran 'xev', and it reacts to all my keys, except when those 4 keys. I'm using a belgian azerty keyboard. Anyone an idea what could be wrong? I suppose it's because of an apt-get upgrade, but I'm not sure. |
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| 15:14.10 | syntaxx | i wonder whats wrong.. my driver module when it loads it fails but awhile ago it works just fine.. its just that i inserted my usb bluetooth dongle anyone who can help me with this? |
| 15:14.12 | abrotman | check the logs to see what got upgraded |
| 15:14.48 | nightfly | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.52 | nightfly | now here |
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| 15:15.01 | Ludootje | abrotman: which logfiles is that info in? :o |
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| 15:15.24 | stew | nightfly: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 15:15.35 | nightfly | testing |
| 15:15.41 | Allman | test |
| 15:15.55 | peetah | what package do i need to grab to adjust the volume on my soundcard via console? |
| 15:16.09 | stew | nightfly: can you also paste the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 vlc" ? |
| 15:16.24 | nightfly | ok |
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| 15:16.26 | nightfly | just a minut |
| 15:16.28 | stew | nightfly: it appears you are trying to install the stable version of vlc |
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| 15:16.45 | nightfly | is there an unstable version |
| 15:16.57 | nightfly | for test distro? |
| 15:17.22 | stew | nightfly: there is a version in unstable, but there isn't a version in testing at the moment |
| 15:17.30 | Ludootje | I have this in my logs: "2006-10-04 23:02:49 upgrade xkb-data 0.8-15 0.8-16". Aren't -xx (i.e. -15 to -16) version increases normally not related to the program, but to the .deb package? I suppose this is what broke my keyboard. |
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| 15:17.45 | nightfly | ok, so i must surrender |
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| 15:18.03 | raj | rwsr-xr-x howto setup the permission like this |
| 15:18.23 | Ronin | raj: google or man |
| 15:18.32 | beardy | raj: 'man chown' search for sticky |
| 15:18.36 | beardy | bah.. |
| 15:18.41 | beardy | raj: man chmod |
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| 15:19.01 | Malagmyr_ | rws? |
| 15:19.07 | Malagmyr_ | read-write-sexecute |
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| 15:19.34 | nightfly | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3949 ---> here there is the output |
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| 15:19.51 | cydork | that's not stick bit.. |
| 15:19.58 | stew | nightfly: you could download the unstable deb from http://packages.debian.org/vlc ; install it with "dpkg -i" then run "apt-get -f install" |
| 15:20.00 | syntaxx | my pc hangs again anyone who can help me? |
| 15:20.10 | Darxus | when I hit alt-f2 once I've booted the debian install cd, I get a shell that has no /dev/sda, yet the menu system is allowing me to modify that device, how do I manually mount /dev/sda2? |
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| 15:20.27 | saad3000 | Hello, I get this error while running ./autogen.sh ./autogen.sh: line 8: aclocal: command not found any ideas please knowing that build-essential is installed. |
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| 15:20.32 | nightfly | i've done this |
| 15:20.35 | Clok | Where can I download a DVD ISO of the lastest version of debian ? |
| 15:20.37 | stew | nightfly: if you are running testing, you should probably change your security.debian.org line to point to etch or testing instead of sarge |
| 15:20.44 | Ronin | Clok: debian.org |
| 15:20.53 | stew | Clok: go to debian.org and click on "getting debian" |
| 15:20.54 | Ronin | but it wont likely be the "latest" |
| 15:21.06 | czorg | does semeone know a good solution to give access to people to directory and file respecting their permission of the filesystem |
| 15:21.08 | beardy | Ronin: Yes it will. |
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| 15:21.31 | beardy | Ronin: (Or do you mean they don't make new ones for the revisions?) |
| 15:21.38 | Ronin | the 2nd |
| 15:21.39 | saad3000 | Hello, I get this error while running ./autogen.sh ./autogen.sh: line 8: aclocal: command not found any ideas please knowing that build-essential is installed. |
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| 15:21.55 | cydork | saad3000: install automake |
| 15:22.02 | saad3000 | cydork: thanx |
| 15:22.42 | Clok | If i choose the network installation when I install debian how many time it take for download the rest of the deb packages ? |
| 15:23.09 | cydork | Clok: depends on wht you choose. |
| 15:23.10 | beardy | Clok: It depends on your bandwidth, and the server you are downloading from. |
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| 15:23.17 | sepski | Clok, depends on how much you want to install, and your bandwith |
| 15:23.28 | Clok | with 8mb a full installation :p) |
| 15:23.40 | Clok | 8mb of bandwidth |
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| 15:23.52 | beardy | "full installation" does not exist, varies from person to person |
| 15:23.54 | Ronin | Clok: define full installation, i presume you mean desktop? |
| 15:23.56 | sepski | Clok, there is no such thing as a full installation, there are 14000 pieces of software in debian |
| 15:24.13 | Clok | I want all the packages, like when i download a ISO DVD |
| 15:24.14 | beardy | ~15000 in sarge IIRC |
| 15:24.25 | czorg | does semeone know a good solution to give access to people to directory and file respecting their permission of the filesystem |
| 15:24.26 | Ronin | Clok: why? you cant install them all anyhow |
| 15:24.30 | wols_ | Clok: you CANNOT install of debian at the same time. and debian fills 14CDs right now |
| 15:24.36 | beardy | Clok: No you don't. Insatll what you want to use, then install something else, when you need it. |
| 15:25.00 | wols_ | Clok: if you want all packages download the ISOs. Tho it's a bad thing to do |
| 15:25.26 | Clok | Tho ? |
| 15:25.31 | Ronin | though |
| 15:25.45 | Clok | Why its a bad thing ? |
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| 15:25.50 | sepski | Clok, it's poitless to dl all of debian, that's what you have the net for. you can dl just what you need when you need it. |
| 15:26.08 | Clok | I'm new on debian so I don't know what i need :/ |
| 15:26.25 | sepski | since if you are a average user you'd use some of the packages on cd1 and cd2, and not use anything from cd3 - cd 14 |
| 15:26.27 | abrotman | Clok: start with what you want |
| 15:26.32 | nightfly | How i can set my distro from testing to stable? |
| 15:26.40 | Braindead | Clok: that's what your 8mb connection is for. get something *if* and *when* you need it |
| 15:26.41 | abrotman | downgrade not possible |
| 15:26.42 | Ronin | nightfly: you cant, you have to reinstall |
| 15:26.46 | wols_ | nightfly: not possible |
| 15:26.49 | Fox | nightfly: reinstall |
| 15:26.52 | nightfly | ok |
| 15:26.59 | sepski | nightfly, change sources.list from testing/etch to stable. and wait a few months |
| 15:27.03 | sepski | it will go automagicaly |
| 15:27.10 | wols_ | nightfly: or wait til current testing becomes stable (in december) |
| 15:27.12 | syntaxx | abrotman, do you have any idea why some modules failed when you inserted a device? |
| 15:27.38 | nightfly | ok |
| 15:27.40 | nightfly | i'll waint |
| 15:27.43 | nightfly | thank you |
| 15:27.52 | beardy | Clok: Then you install the base system, X and a desktop probably. Then you can ask, "what can I use to do this?" And you will get advice on what you may want to install. |
| 15:27.54 | Clok | Ok, With my Core 2 duo and my asus P5W DH Deluxe i download the i386 version ? |
| 15:28.06 | wols_ | Clok: yes |
| 15:28.06 | sepski | Clok, personaly i ususaly install just base, (i unselect everything when asked what i want to install) then i install the desktop i want manually |
| 15:28.19 | wols_ | !tell Clok about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 15:28.23 | Clok | ok so you use the network installation ? |
| 15:28.33 | sepski | Clok, allways |
| 15:28.34 | Ronin | Clok: i suspect most do |
| 15:28.40 | Clok | ok :) |
| 15:28.42 | wols_ | Clok: but use the URL dpkg just gave you for the installer. the normal debian one won't work for your hardware |
| 15:28.56 | Clok | And with the minium it take how many time for download that ? |
| 15:29.02 | Clok | yep ths |
| 15:29.03 | Clok | thx |
| 15:29.09 | sepski | a few minutes |
| 15:29.18 | Braindead | Clok: is time so vital? are you a terminal patient? |
| 15:29.22 | abrotman | syntaxx: device is toast |
| 15:29.23 | Clok | yes |
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| 15:29.30 | abrotman | syntaxx: among other reasons :) |
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| 15:29.34 | Bhavesh | i am back |
| 15:29.36 | Braindead | Clok: follow the bright light |
| 15:30.07 | Bhavesh | no don't follow the bright light.. wake up.. wake up... |
| 15:30.11 | Clok | So i use the network installer and then I do what dpkg told me to do ? |
| 15:30.32 | wols_ | Clok: no. you get the network installer from the URL dpkg told you |
| 15:30.35 | syntaxx | abrotman, this what happened i inserted my usb bluetooth dongle and my bttv module loads fail i restarted 5times and till having that problem do you have idea how to fix it? |
| 15:30.42 | wols_ | cause the ISO from debian.org will NOT work on your hardware |
| 15:30.47 | Clok | There is not network installer in what dpkg told me |
| 15:30.51 | Ronin | Clok: and read any questions the installer asks you |
| 15:30.51 | Clok | ok |
| 15:30.52 | abrotman | Clok: you use the netinst .. then learn how to use aptitude .. and install the things you want |
| 15:30.59 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 15:30.59 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 15:31.01 | wols_ | Clok: there is |
| 15:31.04 | anapivirtua | Bye. |
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| 15:31.53 | Clok | So first netinstall and after I do what dpkg tell me its that ? |
| 15:31.56 | piyo | greetz and howdy |
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| 15:33.02 | deego | Is this channel somehow symlinked to #debian@oftc, or are they different? |
| 15:33.14 | Ronin | deego: different |
| 15:33.30 | Clok | So first netinstall and after I do what dpkg tell me its that ? Ronin |
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| 15:33.47 | werdna__ | I had a dream I was using a wireless connection in the streets at nearly 4000kb/sec |
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| 15:41.13 | chafe | how do i enable NTP support for synchronizing time with intenret time |
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| 15:41.59 | Braindead | chafe: ntp,ntpdate,rdate (in order of diminuishing complication) |
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| 15:47.50 | lokuciej | I need the kernel module "af_packet". Where do I find it in the kernel setup (make menuconfig)? |
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| 15:49.23 | Kev | Laurent` hi :) |
| 15:49.29 | Laurent` | hi ^^ |
| 15:49.38 | sepski | lokuciej, who knows, debian's excelent kernel packages provide them to me :) |
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| 15:52.08 | roberts | I'm trying to compile libvisual-projectM (I've already successfully installed libprojectM), but when I try to run ./configure it tells me that "configure: WARNING: *** No OpenGL found." and "configure: error: conditional "HAVE_LIB_GL" was never defined." |
| 15:52.23 | roberts | Direct rendering is enabled and glxgears runs fine on my machine |
| 15:52.30 | h3sp4wn | roberts: Have you got the mesa dev packages ? |
| 15:53.10 | roberts | Yes, I've got libgl1-mesa-dev and libglu1-mesa-dev |
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| 15:54.04 | dn4 | hahah whats sup Wedge^ !!! |
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| 16:00.27 | fasta | I sent two bugreports using reportbug, but I haven't received confirmation for either one. |
| 16:00.58 | fasta | How can I see where my message went? |
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| 16:02.09 | blackelf | why it takes so horrible long to release new apache2 + php4 |
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| 16:02.26 | blackelf | apache2 had been upgraded to fix few exploits but it is incompatible with php4 |
| 16:02.27 | blackelf | in testing |
| 16:03.09 | d0uglas | i know oo exports pdfs, but i'd like to use my debian machine to act as a pdf "print server" to share with samba so a windows box can use it to generate pdfs.. Possible? |
| 16:03.13 | stew | blackelf: i believe i've answered this question for you at least three times in the recent past |
| 16:03.38 | blackelf | stew: the "testing do not have to be not-exploitable" is not very professional now is it |
| 16:03.39 | stew | blackelf: and, again, you shouldn't be using testing if security is a concern |
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| 16:03.45 | blackelf | argh |
| 16:04.40 | blackelf | so to summ up, on windows I would have both up to date and secure apache2+php while on debian this seems impossible? |
| 16:04.59 | stew | blackelf: use stable for servers |
| 16:05.08 | blackelf | why not make other apache2 package without without waiting for libsvn |
| 16:05.19 | stew | blackelf: on windows, you would be installing apache by hand. this is still an option for you in testing |
| 16:05.20 | blackelf | I really thing more people need php4 with apache then neede SVN server |
| 16:05.25 | blackelf | *think |
| 16:05.34 | d0uglas | stew: are you saying i shouldn't install experimental on the system that my office VPNs banking activities through? |
| 16:05.42 | Ronin | d0uglas: heh |
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| 16:05.55 | blackelf | so why not build apache2 version that conflicts with quite rare svn server instead of conflicting with common php4 |
| 16:06.08 | stew | blackelf: you are free to do so |
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| 16:06.46 | Pr0nStrGeek | you're even free to create a .deb so that the rest of us can benefit from your endeavor and apt-get install blackelfs_apache |
| 16:07.12 | d0uglas | next thing you're going to tell me is that WEP isn't good enough a deterrent |
| 16:07.34 | Pr0nStrGeek | heh... |
| 16:08.17 | fasta | d0uglas: that would be a true statement. |
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| 16:08.52 | godzirra | Ok guys, I downloaded the etch beta installer (at least I thouht I did) and there's no option for partitioning with software raid... |
| 16:09.43 | petemc | godzirra: there is on any etch cd ive used |
| 16:10.05 | Ludootje | Yesterday my ctrl & win keys stopped working. Running 'xev' doesn't show *any* output for those 4 keys. I just downgraded xkb-data, but this didn't help. Anyone an idea of what could cause this? |
| 16:10.19 | godzirra | petemc: well crap. |
| 16:10.23 | godzirra | how do I make sure I have etch? |
| 16:10.27 | godzirra | debian testing is etch, right? |
| 16:10.35 | petemc | where did you get the cd? |
| 16:10.43 | stew | godzirra: yes (/msg dpkg releases) |
| 16:10.45 | godzirra | the debian site |
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| 16:14.18 | godzirra | how do I verify that the net install CD I'm using is etch? |
| 16:14.41 | stew | godzirra: you are in the middle of the install process currently? or what? |
| 16:14.42 | _sagi | why does netstat list regular tcp connections as tcp6 connections where the ip is in ::ffff:real_ip format? |
| 16:15.43 | godzirra | stew: yup. |
| 16:16.18 | stew | godzirra: hit alt-f2 to get to a shell, type "uname -r" if you get back 2.6.16-2 its etch, if you get back 2.6.8-2 or 2.4.27-2, its sarge |
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| 16:16.44 | godzirra | 2.6.16-2-486 |
| 16:16.49 | stew | godzirra: that's etch |
| 16:16.59 | godzirra | so why the heck dont I have a configure software raid option :/ |
| 16:17.34 | stew | godzirra: select partitions you want to use for software raid, click on the, and select RAID from the Use As: box, then the software raid option will show up |
| 16:17.57 | godzirra | click on the what? |
| 16:18.02 | stew | partition |
| 16:18.19 | stew | by click i guess i mean hit enter after selecting the partition |
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| 16:18.37 | godzirra | ah |
| 16:18.56 | godzirra | one sec rebooting |
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| 16:20.55 | martoss | hi there |
| 16:21.24 | martoss | i have a machine and can't access it via ssh anymore, local login does also not work because the root account is not activated |
| 16:21.37 | martoss | i have acces via kvm, and also to grub |
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| 16:21.47 | Bhavesh | martoss: how was root account deactivated? |
| 16:21.48 | demio | hello |
| 16:21.59 | demio | I need urgent help from an expert, possibly paid |
| 16:22.00 | martoss | is there a canche to get acces an set a root pw? |
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| 16:22.10 | martoss | just by "*" in /etc/shadow |
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| 16:22.32 | martoss | it tried to boot in runlevel 2 via adding a 2 to the grub line |
| 16:22.38 | zinx | martoss: who set it to '*'? |
| 16:22.45 | martoss | zinx, me |
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| 16:22.56 | zinx | martoss: boot with init=/bin/bash, you'll have to remount root read/write |
| 16:23.00 | zinx | or at least /etc |
| 16:23.03 | martoss | or one of my companions |
| 16:23.12 | zinx | lunitik: both will |
| 16:23.14 | godzirra | stew: there is no "software raid" listed in the "Use As" options |
| 16:23.51 | disasm | martoss: boot off live cd, chroot /path/to/root /bin/bash the run passwd |
| 16:23.51 | stew | godzirra: nothing mentioning raid? |
| 16:23.57 | demio | my server is failing at updating the kernel from apt-get |
| 16:24.05 | demio | and im getting segmentation faults on "ls" and "dir" |
| 16:24.16 | Laurent` | hi, i'm looking for a linux raid administration (mail alert when disk failure, ...) software for a supermicro PDSML-LN2 motherboard (with chipset Intel ICH7R) ... any idea ? |
| 16:24.18 | Bhavesh | lunitik: not when it comes to password.. |
| 16:24.27 | zinx | demio: probably broke your libc |
| 16:24.39 | demio | how? |
| 16:24.43 | lunitik | Bhavesh: presumably you wouldn't do such things to important users... ;) |
| 16:24.56 | zinx | demio: no idea, i'm not the one messing w/ your system :) |
| 16:24.59 | godzirra | stew: nope. |
| 16:25.06 | Bhavesh | lunitik: nope.. i normally disable remote logins for root ( ssh does it automatically) ;) |
| 16:25.09 | demio | i didnt "mess" with it |
| 16:25.10 | godzirra | stew: do I need to do it on the first drive or the second drive, or does it matter? |
| 16:25.11 | lunitik | Bhavesh: 'nobody' for instance, I might do that for... probably not, but can't think of any badness that would come of that... |
| 16:25.19 | demio | i had the server stable for almost a month |
| 16:25.19 | stew | godzirra: shouldn't matter |
| 16:25.25 | demio | then today the swap file was too full |
| 16:25.38 | demio | i couldnt even accesss the sssh console |
| 16:25.42 | Bhavesh | lunitik: you can always change the users's shell to /bin/false if a program su to that user |
| 16:25.48 | demio | so I asked them guys at the hosting to reboot the server |
| 16:25.54 | zinx | demio: swap file was too full? |
| 16:26.00 | demio | well apparently |
| 16:26.04 | zinx | demio: when the swap file is too full the kernel panics, and generally reboots. |
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| 16:26.13 | demio | it didnt |
| 16:26.17 | demio | all my websites were slow |
| 16:26.21 | vladi_ | hi, what was the command to find out who has logged in and from where history |
| 16:26.21 | zinx | demio: then your swap file wasn't too full. |
| 16:26.21 | demio | and mysql wasnt working |
| 16:26.28 | demio | and I couldnt access the console |
| 16:26.32 | Bhavesh | and i think it's swap partition, not swap file if i am not mistaken |
| 16:26.33 | wols_ | zinx: generally when the kernel is out of memory it kills processes |
| 16:26.40 | prsr | last <username> |
| 16:26.40 | Bhavesh | vladi_: w , lastlog, who |
| 16:26.41 | zinx | wols_: yeah, and if it fails, it panics |
| 16:26.41 | Braindead | the OOM killer should intervene also... |
| 16:26.42 | demio | yea, swap partition |
| 16:26.43 | wols_ | Bhavesh: can be either |
| 16:26.49 | vladi_ | Bhavesh thanks |
| 16:26.50 | wols_ | zinx: why would it fail? |
| 16:26.50 | demio | so I asked them to reboot the server |
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| 16:26.56 | Bhavesh | wols_: i should say 'generally speaking' ;) |
| 16:27.00 | demio | then I get seg faults on "ls" and "dir" |
| 16:27.15 | demio | so I tried to upgrade through apt-get as per a technician suggestion |
| 16:27.15 | zinx | wols_: 'D' state processes, leak inside kernel, etc |
| 16:27.21 | demio | and it tried to upgrade the kenrel |
| 16:27.26 | demio | kernel* |
| 16:27.27 | Bhavesh | vladi_: you are welcome |
| 16:27.28 | demio | i get this |
| 16:27.52 | zinx | lunitik: some places alias it to ls |
| 16:27.52 | demio | Please Hit return to continue. |
| 16:27.52 | demio | Failed to create initrd image. |
| 16:27.52 | demio | dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 (--configure): |
| 16:27.54 | lunitik | At most, its an alias... |
| 16:28.11 | zinx | oh, looks like debian soft-links it or such |
| 16:28.18 | h3sp4wn | Its not on bsd or solaris |
| 16:28.22 | demio | now im kinda panicking |
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| 16:28.34 | lunitik | zinx: exactly... still strange to me that he's saying that... heh |
| 16:28.34 | zinx | demio: your libc is broken |
| 16:28.41 | demio | how do i fix it? |
| 16:28.47 | zinx | demio: reinstall libc |
| 16:28.51 | godzirra | stew: yeah, its not there... |
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| 16:29.01 | demio | with apt-get? |
| 16:29.10 | zinx | demio: with a staticly linked dpkg |
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| 16:29.30 | godzirra | I have ext3, ext2, reiser, jfs, xfs, fat16, fat32, swap, phyiscal for encryption, physical for LVM, .... |
| 16:29.30 | godzirra | oh... |
| 16:29.30 | godzirra | physical volume for RAID? |
| 16:29.36 | zinx | demio: it may be rather difficult to do this without physical access |
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| 16:29.45 | demio | bah im fucked |
| 16:29.56 | zinx | demio: unless you still have the package laying around in /var/cache/apt/packages/ or whatever |
| 16:30.03 | demio | hmmm |
| 16:30.08 | demio | DAMN i did an apt-get clean |
| 16:30.09 | demio | >.< |
| 16:30.21 | martoss | hey, that init worked... |
| 16:30.21 | martoss | thx |
| 16:30.22 | zinx | you're screwed |
| 16:30.25 | demio | oh god |
| 16:30.37 | demio | this can't be happening |
| 16:30.42 | zinx | it's /var/cache/apt/archives/ apparently |
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| 16:31.00 | AnyFile | Is the version 1.3.8.1p1 the last for ssh demon_ This is the newest I can find in the debian package, but I have seen that there is a 1.3.9 version on the OpenSSH web site. Is it safe to use the 1.3.8.1p1_ |
| 16:31.01 | zinx | demio: see if it's there... echo /var/cache/apt/archives/*libc*.deb |
| 16:31.25 | zinx | demio: it may be a bad hard drive or bad ram, too |
| 16:31.30 | zinx | demio: or even a bad power supply |
| 16:31.36 | wols_ | AnyFile: are you using sarge? |
| 16:31.44 | zinx | demio: i'd suggest checking dmesg, but that will probably segfault |
| 16:31.45 | AnyFile | yes |
| 16:31.56 | demio | sp4518:~# echo /var/cache/apt/archives/*libc*.deb |
| 16:31.56 | demio | /var/cache/apt/archives/*libc*.deb |
| 16:32.01 | zinx | demio: fan could have failed as well |
| 16:32.03 | wols_ | AnyFile: do you have security.debian.org in your sources.list ? |
| 16:32.12 | AnyFile | I think so |
| 16:32.15 | demio | no |
| 16:32.16 | zinx | demio: well, figure out a way to get the libc deb on to that system |
| 16:32.17 | wols_ | AnyFile: check |
| 16:32.18 | demio | dmesg works |
| 16:32.22 | wols_ | AnyFile: if you do, you |
| 16:32.24 | zinx | demio: oh? |
| 16:32.28 | wols_ | AnyFile: if you do, you're secure |
| 16:32.28 | demio | yea |
| 16:32.30 | zinx | demio: any errors near the end? |
| 16:32.31 | demio | just tried it |
| 16:32.33 | demio | hmm |
| 16:32.38 | demio | what should i look for |
| 16:32.40 | SerajewelKS | wow someone is targetting the debian mailing list with message subjects that start with "Bug#1234:" (1234 being random) |
| 16:32.44 | wols_ | AnyFile: sarge never changes versions. security fixes are backported |
| 16:32.47 | AnyFile | I have a line deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 16:32.47 | zinx | it's not libc (entirely, anyway), if dmesg works |
| 16:32.54 | zinx | demio: uhm, errors |
| 16:33.01 | Harry_bggh | Hi. I've got a problem with my Debian Etch installation. When I try to start X, I get a fatal server error "Caught signal 8. Server aborting." |
| 16:33.02 | wols_ | AnyFile: apt-get update;apt-get uograde then |
| 16:33.17 | wols_ | Harry_bggh: check your X log |
| 16:33.36 | SerajewelKS | honestly, you'd think the debian list would be the collection of users least likely to respond to spam. |
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| 16:33.57 | Harry_bggh | wols_: how can i copy the log in vi? |
| 16:33.59 | demio | i fail to spot any "errors" |
| 16:34.00 | zinx | demio: does ''find /var/cache/apt/archives'' not segfault? |
| 16:34.02 | demio | but im no expert |
| 16:34.02 | Kev | anyone know a good raid management tool on linux? |
| 16:34.03 | demio | hm |
| 16:34.07 | AnyFile | And what about Openoffice_ Is the 1.3.1 the lst avaible_ |
| 16:34.14 | AnyFile | ? |
| 16:34.15 | Kev | please |
| 16:34.19 | wols_ | Harry_bggh: why would you use vi for that? |
| 16:34.23 | amphi | AnyFile: there's a backport |
| 16:34.26 | demio | nope, it doesnt segfault |
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| 16:34.38 | zinx | demio: ok, what release of debian are you running? |
| 16:34.41 | demio | sp4518:~# find /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 16:34.41 | demio | /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 16:34.42 | demio | /var/cache/apt/archives/partial |
| 16:34.42 | demio | /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
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| 16:34.43 | Harry_bggh | wols_: what should i use? |
| 16:34.46 | wols_ | AnyFile: sarge hasn't changed since it was released last year in june. it's STABLE |
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| 16:34.53 | demio | sarge |
| 16:34.58 | Harry_bggh | wols_: to paste the log to a nopaste-service |
| 16:34.58 | wols_ | Harry_bggh: less to display it for example |
| 16:35.04 | SerajewelKS | AnyFile: stable is perpetually out of date. (for obvious reasons.) |
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| 16:35.26 | czorg | I'm want to give access to the filesystem in read only mode to all my user according to their permission does someone have a solution |
| 16:35.27 | wols_ | !console paste |
| 16:35.33 | Harry_bggh | wols_: i looked on it, but im no expert |
| 16:35.33 | jetscreamer | tnt1 blows doors off rage3dpro2 oh boy!!! |
| 16:35.39 | wols_ | !console paster |
| 16:35.39 | dpkg | i heard console paster is yes, virginia, you can use a pastebin website from console. Save any relevant output to a file. Install a console mode browser (elinks, w3m, lynx), and console mouse management (gpm) or screen (screen, RTFM for copy/paste), and sort it out. Remember: help us help you. |
| 16:35.45 | demio | oh man im so nervous >.< |
| 16:35.50 | jetscreamer | a whopping 3fps tnt vs 0.1 rage |
| 16:35.52 | SerajewelKS | czorg: man mount, look at group= and umask= |
| 16:35.56 | jetscreamer | in torcs |
| 16:36.01 | demio | this server shouln't be down ever |
| 16:36.07 | jetscreamer | no the tnt got 5 baybee! |
| 16:36.16 | zinx | demio: cd /var/cache/apt/archives/ && wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/coreutils/coreutils_5.2.1-2_i386.deb && dpkg -i coreutils_5.2.1-2_i386.deb |
| 16:36.16 | wols_ | czorg: mount the filesystem read only |
| 16:36.53 | AnyFile | thnks all. Bye |
| 16:36.58 | SerajewelKS | czorg: or just chmod stuff |
| 16:37.03 | SerajewelKS | czorg: what FS is it? |
| 16:37.05 | zinx | demio: if that fixes it, your system is probably rootkitted, and you need to shut it off and reinstall it. |
| 16:37.09 | Bhavesh | jetscreamer: i used tnt2 card until last year :) |
| 16:37.13 | awais | czorg: or use acls. |
| 16:37.14 | jetscreamer | hey how come rpm can d/l stuff and install it and dpkg can't! |
| 16:37.20 | demio | it worked! |
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| 16:37.22 | demio | fixed it |
| 16:37.30 | zinx | demio: Then you need to turn it off and reinstall it. |
| 16:37.31 | demio | huh? |
| 16:37.35 | demio | root what whaT? |
| 16:37.38 | demio | WHAT? |
| 16:37.43 | zinx | demio: someone pwned your box |
| 16:37.45 | SerajewelKS | demio: you got "hacked" |
| 16:37.51 | demio | fuck fuck |
| 16:37.57 | demio | now what? |
| 16:38.05 | zinx | demio: turn it off. |
| 16:38.07 | jetscreamer | nuke it from orbit |
| 16:38.11 | Harry_bggh | wols_: the manual is a little too much for now. could you please tell me the commandsß |
| 16:38.12 | wols_ | demio: now you shut it down and reinstall from backups |
| 16:38.19 | demio | why? what about my clients? waht? |
| 16:38.25 | cydork | demio: you have backups right? |
| 16:38.27 | demio | oh man im so screwed |
| 16:38.28 | demio | yea i do |
| 16:38.32 | demio | i keep weekly backups |
| 16:38.38 | wols_ | Harry_bggh: the explanation is a little too much for now. could you please stop being lazy? |
| 16:38.41 | zinx | demio: turn it off, reinstall from backups |
| 16:38.44 | demio | on another server thankfully |
| 16:38.48 | demio | but I can't "turn it off" |
| 16:38.49 | SerajewelKS | demio: make sure those aren't infected too |
| 16:38.52 | demio | its remotely hosted |
| 16:38.57 | demio | and how do i make sure of that? |
| 16:39.00 | wols_ | demio: and try to check how they got in. does it run php? |
| 16:39.03 | zinx | demio: right now it's probably acting as a drone, either h4x0ring other machines or sending out massive amounts of spam |
| 16:39.05 | demio | yea it does |
| 16:39.07 | Harry_bggh | wols_: sorry, but im no linux expert and just want to run X |
| 16:39.11 | cydork | demio: which version ? |
| 16:39.15 | demio | hmmm |
| 16:39.18 | SerajewelKS | demio: restore and look for symptoms. if infected, repeat with last week's tape. |
| 16:39.20 | demio | latest stable |
| 16:39.21 | demio | 4.* |
| 16:39.26 | demio | well |
| 16:39.31 | demio | i dont keep backups of the whole OS |
| 16:39.34 | demio | just of the vital data |
| 16:39.45 | demio | (mysql dbs, client's home folders) |
| 16:39.50 | demio | email folders |
| 16:39.51 | SerajewelKS | oh well then just reinstall and restore that |
| 16:39.51 | demio | etc |
| 16:40.01 | demio | oh man WTF |
| 16:40.06 | demio | how did they get in? |
| 16:40.07 | SerajewelKS | i'd look in the home folders too, for suspicious stuff if this is a public system. |
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| 16:40.15 | zinx | demio: probably through one of your clients' pages |
| 16:40.18 | Pr0nStrGeek | system state backups are your friend, demio... |
| 16:40.25 | wols_ | demio: and go through the clients installed php scripts with a FINE comb |
| 16:40.27 | zinx | demio: and if you're running an old kernel, there are local exploits that give root |
| 16:40.32 | demio | im so fucked |
| 16:40.40 | wols_ | demio: what kernel did you run? |
| 16:40.45 | SerajewelKS | demio: calm down. this is why you made those backups. =) |
| 16:41.00 | demio | 2.6.8-16sarge5 |
| 16:41.01 | demio | i think |
| 16:41.15 | wols_ | demio: that's a kernel I never heard of. not a debian kernel |
| 16:41.22 | SerajewelKS | wols_: yeah it is |
| 16:41.28 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: where from? |
| 16:41.34 | SerajewelKS | wols_: it's a sarge security update |
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| 16:41.39 | cydork | SerajewelKS: r3? |
| 16:41.41 | wols_ | no 2.6.8-3? |
| 16:41.51 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 16:41.57 | SerajewelKS | gimme a sec |
| 16:42.12 | demio | yea |
| 16:42.15 | demio | its the -3 |
| 16:42.20 | czorg | I should explain better I'm want to give access to the filesystem in read only mode to all my user according to their permission via web (http) |
| 16:42.41 | SerajewelKS | czorg: use groups and the umask |
| 16:42.46 | demio | 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 16:42.46 | SerajewelKS | czorg: like i said. man mount |
| 16:42.50 | demio | so now I turn off the server? |
| 16:42.56 | wols_ | demio: yes |
| 16:43.01 | demio | x_x |
| 16:43.06 | demio | thank god I had reoback running |
| 16:43.17 | cydork | demio: do you have enough space? |
| 16:43.21 | SerajewelKS | Version: 2.6.8-16sarge5 |
| 16:43.22 | demio | what do you mean? |
| 16:43.27 | SerajewelKS | is the latest security update |
| 16:43.39 | deadcat | my xorg wont enable DRI or AIGLX, i cant seem to figure it out: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/Xorg.0.log http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/xorg.conf |
| 16:43.40 | cydork | demio: debootstrap it.. |
| 16:44.01 | SerajewelKS | wols_: apt-cache show kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 #on a sarge box, gives the same Version: |
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| 16:44.16 | demio | debootstrap? |
| 16:44.43 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: didn't. I run sid |
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| 16:45.16 | SerajewelKS | wols_: i'm just saying, his kernel is a debian kernel, from the sarge security repository |
| 16:45.29 | SerajewelKS | and the latest one i might add |
| 16:45.35 | cydork | demio: /msg dpkg debootstrap but still |
| 16:45.48 | czorg | SerajewelKS buit via web to access file on a distant serveur |
| 16:46.27 | SerajewelKS | czorg: using what transport? |
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| 16:46.54 | demio | cydork why would I debootstrap it? |
| 16:47.00 | demio | this install is compromised |
| 16:47.17 | czorg | SerajewelKS port 80 http |
| 16:47.37 | cydork | demio: the best option is reinstall. |
| 16:47.49 | demio | yea |
| 16:47.49 | SerajewelKS | czorg: so you want to mount a remote http server on the local filesystem? |
| 16:47.54 | demio | thats what im planning to do |
| 16:48.02 | demio | but the fuckers at my hosting company charge like $70 for that |
| 16:48.09 | demio | i guess this is a good time to change |
| 16:48.27 | WerdnaServer | duude |
| 16:48.31 | cydork | demio: $70 ?? |
| 16:48.36 | demio | yea |
| 16:48.42 | WerdnaServer | I get a VPS with 1.8ms ping to google for $30/mo |
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| 16:48.52 | Pr0nStrGeek | that's really not that bad of a price... |
| 16:48.55 | demio | well, this is not a VPS |
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| 16:49.04 | demio | its really a dedicated server |
| 16:49.11 | demio | but they charge a lot for support |
| 16:49.12 | WerdnaServer | humm |
| 16:50.23 | demio | anyone recommend a new company? |
| 16:50.33 | demio | for dedicated servers |
| 16:51.24 | czorg | SerajewelKS not just browser the filesystem with firefox en ie |
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| 16:52.25 | Pr0nStrGeek | demio: $70 to save your ass is pretty cheap... keep in mind... with demand, support costs increase exponentially... |
| 16:52.30 | SerajewelKS | czorg: so you have a filesystem that you want to *serve* over http? |
| 16:52.36 | SerajewelKS | czorg: just mount it readonly |
| 16:52.44 | CRK-FOX | hello guys |
| 16:53.01 | SerajewelKS | czorg: but you can't write using http anyway. (unless you enable PUT requests) |
| 16:53.33 | CRK-FOX | anybody knows some app open source to have contact sharing... emails... schedule... chat and all an enterprise environment (like zimbra)... what is the best??? |
| 16:53.36 | Bhavesh | demio: i know of one.. try awknet.net |
| 16:53.46 | Bhavesh | new company, owner of it is owner of veritynet |
| 16:53.50 | CRK-FOX | any ideas??? |
| 16:53.56 | SerajewelKS | !any ideas |
| 16:53.57 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little cod liver oil, and 42 rabid goats. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 16:54.12 | Bhavesh | hahaha |
| 16:55.03 | demio | Bhavesh, your link is dead |
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| 16:55.39 | d0uglas | i'm trying to install something, but apt keeps complaining about apache2 being broken, telling me to try apt-get install -f, which doesn't work, synaptic crashes... can i get apt to move on with life and ignore the broken package so i can install something? |
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| 16:56.08 | Bhavesh | demio: www.awknet.com |
| 16:56.12 | Bhavesh | sorry it's not .net its .com |
| 16:56.46 | czorg | SerajewelKS If i mount it read only everyone can go everywhere I want linux permission to be apply depend en the authentification login |
| 16:56.50 | wols_ | d0uglas: no. are you running sid? |
| 16:56.58 | d0uglas | how did you guess :) |
| 16:56.58 | CRK-FOX | someone knows www.zimbra.com?? |
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| 16:57.12 | CRK-FOX | anybody knows some app to do the same thing??? |
| 16:57.12 | wols_ | d0uglas: cause of your cluelessness. could only be sid |
| 16:57.24 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 16:57.25 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:57.40 | wols_ | doh, wrong one |
| 16:57.40 | d0uglas | so am i doomed to reinstall debian because of apache which i never used anyway? |
| 16:57.59 | wols_ | d0uglas: you're doomed to learn about sid when you want to use it |
| 16:58.05 | d0uglas | maybe i'll have better luck with experimental... |
| 16:58.15 | madclicker | i build the fglrx module for etch, but still unable to get 3d, i get the error of module requires xorg6.8 but detected 7.0 |
| 16:58.19 | wols_ | d0uglas: good luck |
| 16:58.33 | cydork | experimental?? |
| 16:58.55 | wols_ | cydork: this "threat" is supposed to make us help and sort out his snafus and cluelessness |
| 16:59.01 | perlmonkey | is there a tool in debian for dealing with .rar files? |
| 16:59.12 | wols_ | perlmonkey: unrar in unfree |
| 16:59.17 | perlmonkey | wols_ thanks |
| 16:59.23 | d0uglas | wols_: hopefully someday you'll learn how to judge without being judgmental |
| 16:59.28 | wols_ | madclicker: ati itself says it'S only for 6.8 |
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| 16:59.43 | wols_ | madclicker: read what the manuafacturer says about the software |
| 16:59.49 | amphi | what's wrong with being judgemental? |
| 17:00.02 | wols_ | amphi: nothing at all, why do you ask? |
| 17:00.36 | d0uglas | amphi: if this were the 70s, no one would warn me not to use debian experimental or have unsafe sex |
| 17:00.39 | wols_ | d0uglas: you are clearly not ready to run sid, so why do you do it? |
| 17:00.40 | d0uglas | i'm a victim of time |
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| 17:00.58 | madclicker | wols_, XOrg 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, 7.0, or 7.1; XFree86 version 4.3 |
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| 17:01.04 | wols_ | d0uglas: idiocy is a age old phenomenon. doesn't depend on time |
| 17:01.06 | repp | hi, i'm using xorg 7.1.0-1 package from debian, i've configured so that i can start compiz and see some nice effects (maximization and moving). but, how do i enable and assign shortcut to other plugins? |
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| 17:01.10 | amphi | d0uglas: wtf? |
| 17:01.21 | wols_ | madclicker: last I checked, it was 6.9 or so max |
| 17:01.30 | repp | aiglx sorry |
| 17:01.31 | h3sp4wn | d0uglas: What do you need from experimental ? don't upgrade libc6 |
| 17:01.31 | d0uglas | wols_: am i the first one you've met who's ignored emphatic warnings in the pursuit of the most advanced everything |
| 17:01.39 | madclicker | wols_, https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.29.6.html |
| 17:01.43 | zinx | madclicker: did the "error" line start with "(EE)"? |
| 17:01.53 | d0uglas | h3sp4wn: i was joking about experimental |
| 17:02.07 | wols_ | madclicker: and what ati card do you have? |
| 17:02.17 | madclicker | wols_, nope II |
| 17:02.26 | zinx | madclicker: Then that's not the error. |
| 17:02.27 | wols_ | madclicker: "nope II" ? |
| 17:02.29 | madclicker | wols_, AIW 9700 |
| 17:02.55 | zinx | madclicker: your problem is elsewhere, probably has something to do with the kernel module not being compiled or not using the debianized packages |
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| 17:03.21 | wols_ | d0uglas: uninstall apache |
| 17:03.33 | madclicker | zinx, http://pastebin.ca/192064 |
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| 17:03.53 | madclicker | zinx, the module fglrx is loaded |
| 17:04.14 | madclicker | but i dont even get 2d |
| 17:04.19 | madclicker | mode like 1d |
| 17:04.23 | CRK-FOX | s |
| 17:04.31 | d0uglas | "the following have unmet dependencies: apache2-mpm-prefork: Depends: apache2.2-common (= 2.2.3-1) " yada yada... |
| 17:04.58 | wols_ | d0uglas: then maybe you need to leatn how to uninstall stuff? |
| 17:05.04 | wols_ | or how to use BTS? |
| 17:05.11 | d0uglas | !bts |
| 17:05.11 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:05.22 | d0uglas | interesting |
| 17:05.43 | d0uglas | i opted in to participate in the debian popularity contest, isn't that enough |
| 17:05.49 | d0uglas | i gotta report bugs now too |
| 17:07.19 | wols_ | debian is one of the few real COMMUNITY distros |
| 17:08.24 | d0uglas | well good then, i can contribute to the community thanks to my idiocy using bts |
| 17:08.43 | d0uglas | too bad i can't install bts without removing apache.. catch 22 |
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| 17:09.03 | wols_ | why can't you? |
| 17:09.11 | wols_ | X is not necessary for webbrowsers at all |
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| 17:09.54 | stew | d0uglas: what are you trying to install? BTS? |
| 17:10.10 | stew | d0uglas: you should just be goingto http://bugs.debian.org/packagename |
| 17:10.28 | pourriture | anyone here happen to have an nforce professional 2200 based mobo? |
| 17:11.36 | d0uglas | wols_: apt won't install any of the bts-related packages (or anythign else) without giving me the apache errors |
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| 17:12.05 | wols_ | then maybe you need to learn how to remove packages I guess |
| 17:12.09 | wols_ | hint: man dpkg |
| 17:12.24 | d0uglas | ok i'll man it |
| 17:12.41 | d0uglas | ... thank you, by the way |
| 17:12.55 | d0uglas | i did dig my own grave here.. |
| 17:13.05 | bipolar | does anyone know of a way to create a device file that comunicates over IP? Specificly, I have a program that comunicates over a serial port device. I want to make it use a tcp port. Is there a way to do this? |
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| 17:13.16 | d0uglas | had to touch the hot stove myself |
| 17:15.16 | petemc | bipolar: netcat |
| 17:15.51 | bipolar | petemc: thats what I thought about using, but I'm not exactly sure how it would work. I see nothing that would allow bi-directional communication. |
| 17:16.00 | bipolar | petemc: have you used it before? |
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| 17:16.18 | petemc | bipolar: not that particular scenario, no |
| 17:16.21 | bipolar | maybe I'm just missing something right in front of me. |
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| 17:17.16 | cydork | petemc: wht about nbd? can it be used for serial device? |
| 17:17.30 | petemc | no idea |
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| 17:19.22 | madclicker | anyone with etch and ati video card? |
| 17:19.44 | stew | madclicker: tons of people, just ask your real question |
| 17:20.12 | madclicker | how can i make fglrx to work in 3d mode? |
| 17:20.52 | d0uglas | wols_: Guess what. I didn't even need to man dpkg, just guessed what flags might be used to remove and force, and it worked. Problem solved! |
| 17:21.13 | Pr0nStrGeek | well that's not exactly an exact science... lol |
| 17:21.19 | d0uglas | thanks for helping me in spite of my lameness |
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| 17:21.58 | DogWater | Anyone know of an easy way to kickstart a debian install? |
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| 17:22.08 | Ronin | DogWater: put the cd in machine, reboot |
| 17:22.13 | wols_ | DogWater: put in a Debian CD. Boot from it |
| 17:22.23 | DogWater | unattended install, sorry. |
| 17:22.30 | DogWater | i suppose kickstart is a redhat term |
| 17:22.36 | wols_ | !fai |
| 17:22.36 | dpkg | hmm... fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
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| 17:23.19 | cydork | DogWater: or preseed |
| 17:23.35 | WerdnaServer | !slap werdna__ |
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| 17:25.14 | cydork | DogWater: if you know kickstart, setting up preseed is easy! |
| 17:25.26 | cydork | or vice versa! |
| 17:26.01 | DogWater | yeah i just built a kickstart box which does 14 different versions of redhat derivitives |
| 17:26.27 | petemc | DogWater: http://hands.com/d-i/ |
| 17:26.35 | DogWater | cydork: do you have to run the 'preseed' box on debian or is it just a pxe sort of thing? |
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| 17:28.35 | cydork | !preseed |
| 17:28.35 | dpkg | preseed is probably a method of doing a remote network installation, ask abrotman for details, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 |
| 17:29.19 | cydork | DogWater: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 17:29.22 | eeyore- | morning |
| 17:29.39 | cydork | !preseed is also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 17:29.39 | dpkg | cydork: okay |
| 17:30.41 | karsten | WerdnaServer: Got over your disappointment yet? |
| 17:30.53 | WerdnaServer | karsten, what disappointment? |
| 17:31.00 | karsten | WerdnaServer: That's a yes. |
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| 17:31.46 | WerdnaServer | karsten, I got rid of the nick squatter |
| 17:31.48 | WerdnaServer | most amusing. |
| 17:31.51 | WerdnaServer | did you see? |
| 17:31.54 | karsten | WerdnaServer: No. |
| 17:32.51 | DogWater | ah, ok so you can use the pxe settings in the net boot installer on any box really |
| 17:33.29 | madclicker | how can i get the ati fglrx module to enable 3d? Usinf Etch Xorg 7.0 |
| 17:33.36 | karsten | WerdnaServer: checking /lastlog |
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| 17:34.34 | DogWater | so this "might work" assuming the netboot kernel supports dhcp |
| 17:34.58 | wols_ | madclicker: did you install it the "debian way(tm)"? |
| 17:35.11 | abrotman | why!? |
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| 17:36.53 | madclicker | wols_, yes i did with module-assistant |
| 17:37.39 | valdyn | madclicker: lsmod | grep fglrx |
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| 17:38.01 | madclicker | fglrx 396524 0 |
| 17:38.02 | madclicker | agpgart 29864 2 fglrx,intel_agp |
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| 17:38.55 | valdyn | madclicker: glxinfo | grep -i vendor |
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| 17:39.19 | madclicker | valdyn, MESA, i know its a problem |
| 17:40.00 | valdyn | madclicker: grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 17:40.01 | madclicker | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 17:40.01 | madclicker | OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org |
| 17:40.20 | madclicker | it's "fglrxinfo |grep vendor" |
| 17:40.27 | madclicker | there is no glxinfo |
| 17:40.42 | madclicker | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.42 | madclicker | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.42 | madclicker | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.50 | karsten | !tell madclicker about paste |
| 17:41.10 | madclicker | sry |
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| 17:42.22 | madclicker | i am using an ATI AIW 9700 Pro original AGPx8 card |
| 17:43.04 | valdyn | madclicker: grep -i 666 /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 17:43.07 | woodgrain | I'm running stable. Is it OKAY to add UNSTABLE to /etc/apt so I can add some packages? |
| 17:43.17 | d0uglas | is there a way to modify a wifi adapter's firmware to increase the juice just as you can do to some routers with openwrt? |
| 17:43.23 | madclicker | i tied building the fglrx from the repos and also from ATI the latest with same outcome |
| 17:43.33 | Anarka | woodgrain check backports first |
| 17:43.40 | h3sp4wn | woodgrain: Not really - you can backport stuff to the stable toolchain though |
| 17:43.46 | madclicker | valdyn, Mode 0666 |
| 17:43.50 | cydork | d0uglas: depends on the router and it is off topic here :P |
| 17:43.50 | Anarka | unstavble is way to different from stable for that to work |
| 17:43.52 | stew | woodgrain: you dont' want to install packages compiled for another release onto stable |
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| 17:44.15 | valdyn | madclicker: that looks good too, i need to see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:44.16 | d0uglas | cydork: you mean depends on the adapter right |
| 17:44.31 | woodgrain | h3sp4wn, Anarka is it better to just get unstable? |
| 17:44.40 | madclicker | valdyn, how do i do that/ |
| 17:44.41 | madclicker | ? |
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| 17:44.52 | valdyn | madclicker: you paste that on a paste site |
| 17:44.56 | Anarka | woodgrain if you are going to upgrade distro start with testing |
| 17:45.01 | h3sp4wn | woodgrain: For what reason ? |
| 17:45.31 | stew | woodgrain: you don't want unstable. why do you think you want testing? |
| 17:45.46 | cydork | d0uglas: ohh you mean adaptors. no idea then.. :) |
| 17:46.05 | woodgrain | stew, thanks. well there is a piece of software I use that's WAY better now than it was a year ago. |
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| 17:46.14 | stew | woodgrain: which? |
| 17:46.25 | d0uglas | i'll try a more on topic channel :)... my follow up would have been can i do it with apt or do i have to "compile" something |
| 17:46.32 | Feax | Which debian need I for make it work with my C2D and Asus P5W DH Deluxe ? |
| 17:46.35 | woodgrain | stew, it's geda and PCB which are electronics tools. |
| 17:46.58 | Anarka | Feax thats a shinny new box ;) |
| 17:46.58 | stew | woodgrain: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 17:47.14 | woodgrain | stew, I'll ask the bot! |
| 17:47.34 | DogWater | during a netboot inst is it not possible to specify a local location for the distribution? |
| 17:47.55 | Feax | Anarka so what I do ? |
| 17:47.56 | me_here | hi all, i have a problem getting apt to write to /var/cache creating that dir anew, a had to remove that dir, but i get errors, anyone a hint ? |
| 17:48.07 | karsten | DogWater: Sorry? |
| 17:48.08 | Anarka | Feax p dual core ? |
| 17:48.11 | Feax | yes |
| 17:48.14 | woodgrain | stew, this is so cool, I've struggled to figure this out for six months. thx 1x10^6 |
| 17:48.16 | Feax | Core 2 Duo E6600 |
| 17:48.19 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 17:48.25 | Mazingaro | please help! /etc/cron.daily/prelink: line 53: 4255 Bus error /usr/sbin/prelink -a $PRELINK_OPTS >>/var/log/prelink.log 2>&1 |
| 17:48.25 | karsten | me_here: Um, what did you remove and why? |
| 17:48.29 | Anarka | Feax download the amd64 netinstall |
| 17:48.35 | Anarka | Feax sweet :) |
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| 17:49.04 | karsten | me_here: Note that /var/cache contains a total of 19 directories. |
| 17:49.10 | woodgrain | stew, so is it temporarily okay to add a sid repo to etc/apt/source-list for this upgrade deal? |
| 17:49.11 | me_here | karsten: directory /var/cache |
| 17:49.13 | Feax | Anarka debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso is it good that ? |
| 17:49.16 | DogWater | karsten: I'm doing a netboot for a debian install and i notice it doesnt let you specify a http:// location for the packages it only allows you to use the mirrors list |
| 17:49.44 | abrotman | woodgrain: Ales is a nice guy .. maybe he'd even do a backport for you :) |
| 17:49.45 | karsten | me_here: Um. *Why* are you blowing away significant parts of your filesystem, manually? |
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| 17:49.47 | abrotman | woodgrain: you use a deb-src for sid .. not a deb |
| 17:49.57 | Anarka | Feax not that one |
| 17:49.57 | woodgrain | abrotman, dude, I can't ask ales for that, I have to gain self-sufficiency. |
| 17:49.59 | stew | me_here: its ok to remove all of the files in var/cache but not all of the directories. if you have another working box, get the directory structure from there and recreate, everything else should be ok |
| 17:50.00 | Anarka | amd64 |
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| 17:50.08 | abrotman | woodgrain: don't tell him i sent you :) |
| 17:50.12 | karsten | me_here: ?? |
| 17:50.22 | Feax | Anarka i have intel not AMD ! And other say me to install i386 |
| 17:50.23 | stew | woodgrain: its okay to add a sid deb-src line, but not a sid deb line |
| 17:50.25 | madclicker | valdyn, http://pastebin.ca/192105 |
| 17:51.08 | karsten | me_here: hello? |
| 17:51.10 | me_here | karsten: i wanted to upgrade, but aptitude would fail, causing some mmap failure and didn't recreate the packagelist, would just stop |
| 17:51.21 | stew | me_here: /msg dpkg mmap |
| 17:51.24 | karsten | !mmap |
| 17:51.25 | dpkg | somebody said dynamic mmap was "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 17:51.32 | karsten | me_here: Don't do that. |
| 17:51.39 | Anarka | Feax amd64 is the name but... its for cpu with EMT64 |
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| 17:52.02 | stew | its unfortunate. one should be able to remove /var/cache/* but becuase of a liberal interpretation of the fhs, one can only remove the files, not the directories |
| 17:52.02 | karsten | me_here: Do *NOT* delete filesystem trees without *VERY* good reason. That's the sort of thing that suggests you're not ready to admin Linux / Debian. |
| 17:52.08 | Feax | ok |
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| 17:52.16 | wols_ | Anarka: there is no emt64.it's called intel64 |
| 17:52.16 | stew | karsten: bah, it should be fine to delete from /var/cache |
| 17:52.26 | valdyn | madclicker: where did you get that driver package from? etch? |
| 17:52.31 | abrotman | wols_: em64t |
| 17:52.31 | karsten | stew: Files, sure. Tree, no. |
| 17:52.38 | abrotman | !em64t |
| 17:52.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, em64t is Intel's clone of AMD Athlon64/Opteron architecture - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Use AMD64 Debian (/msg dpkg amd64), or Sarge with a -em64t-p4 kernel. Found only on Nocona and Irwindale Xeons, or the latest Extreme Edition Pentiums |
| 17:52.42 | wols_ | abrotman: whatever. it'S still not called like that |
| 17:52.49 | zinx | wols_: yes it is |
| 17:52.49 | madclicker | valdyn, ati.com, the one from etch would not work either |
| 17:52.55 | zinx | wols_: ia64 is something completely different |
| 17:52.58 | wols_ | zinx: no it is not. intel changed it |
| 17:53.05 | zinx | wols_: right, to em64t |
| 17:53.07 | valdyn | madclicker: which package from ati.com? |
| 17:53.18 | Anarka | wols_ ? |
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| 17:53.25 | wols_ | Anarka: intel renamed it |
| 17:53.37 | Anarka | wols_ ahhh :) |
| 17:53.38 | wols_ | Anarka: this idf a few days ago |
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| 17:53.41 | abrotman | let's all go to #hardware and ask them :) |
| 17:53.45 | zinx | wols_: what, they changed it -again? |
| 17:53.49 | Anarka | wols_ ehehe okis didnt knew that :) |
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| 17:53.52 | zinx | wols_: intel's on crack |
| 17:54.03 | madclicker | valdyn, https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27 |
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| 17:54.27 | valdyn | madclicker: yea sure, what's the filename |
| 17:54.41 | valdyn | madclicker: that link you gave links to no specific file but 'all' of them |
| 17:54.54 | madclicker | valdyn, https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.29.6.run |
| 17:55.11 | valdyn | madclicker: and you just ran that one? |
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| 17:55.18 | valdyn | madclicker: or did you generate debs with it? |
| 17:55.26 | madclicker | valdyn, i generated debs |
| 17:56.30 | valdyn | madclicker: ok, the issue you are seeing is that your installed driver found by X does not support Xorg 7.0.0 but only x <=6.8.x |
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| 17:57.00 | valdyn | madclicker: i cant tell right now if that is due to your debs or due to some older cruft you had installed |
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| 17:58.31 | valdyn | madclicker: your X module is "comiled for 6.8.99.8", that file is /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so |
| 18:00.17 | karsten | me_here: You're going to have to regenerate that directory tree. |
| 18:00.17 | valdyn | madclicker: your .run file contains that module for XOrg 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, 7.0, or 7.1; XFree86 version 4.3 |
| 18:00.59 | karsten | How do you list contents of a cpio archive? |
| 18:01.12 | DogWater | is there anyway to pass NIC info via kernel command line? |
| 18:01.21 | DogWater | for network preseeding |
| 18:01.23 | karsten | DogWater: What information? |
| 18:01.28 | zinx | karsten: by using cpio :D cpio --list < file.cpio |
| 18:01.29 | madclicker | valdyn, how do i remove the old crap? |
| 18:01.31 | DogWater | just to tell it to use DHCP |
| 18:01.35 | DogWater | so i dont have to hit enter |
| 18:01.36 | DogWater | :D |
| 18:01.53 | wols_ | DogWater: an installer does this by default |
| 18:02.14 | madclicker | valdyn, i tried some installs about 1/2 half a year ago |
| 18:02.25 | DogWater | wols_: yeah but i'm trying to do unattended installation and the preseed file isnt downloaded (obviously) until you setup the network |
| 18:02.27 | madclicker | but i never succeded |
| 18:02.37 | valdyn | madclicker: purge the debs first |
| 18:02.38 | woodgrain | stew, is there such a thing as a backport of src's from a project CVS? |
| 18:02.43 | DogWater | and i didnt know if there was a way to just tell the installer to use dhcp |
| 18:02.53 | DogWater | so it doesnt ask me any questions |
| 18:02.55 | valdyn | madclicker: after that. look what's left of fglrx on your system |
| 18:03.07 | madclicker | valdyn, oll fglrx debs? i did thatseveral times |
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| 18:03.23 | stew | woodgrain: you'd have to package it for debian yourself. or somehow figure out how to patch the debian source with the changes from cvs |
| 18:03.35 | valdyn | madclicker: its certainly harder to find cruft while those debs are installed |
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| 18:04.00 | valdyn | madclicker: you might want to look at the date of abovementioned file to see if its old or new.. |
| 18:04.02 | woodgrain | stew, that's considerably more complicated than a simple backport, right? |
| 18:04.24 | karsten | zinx: How do you *create* an archive? I'm doing: find <path> | cpio -o > foo.cpio |
| 18:04.31 | karsten | zinx: ... which creates a null archive. |
| 18:04.43 | stew | woodgrain: yes |
| 18:04.45 | valdyn | madclicker: maybe the debs are just wrong though, i dont have any info on those |
| 18:04.52 | karsten | zinx: Trying to do directories only. |
| 18:04.56 | karsten | me_here: Still here? |
| 18:05.23 | DogWater | i just didnt know if there is a linux26 ip=dhcp |
| 18:05.26 | DogWater | sort of thing you can do |
| 18:05.32 | madclicker | valdyn, can it be that i build the debs wile running X with fglrx? |
| 18:05.36 | DogWater | so it doesnt have to ask silly questions |
| 18:06.07 | valdyn | madclicker: eh? |
| 18:06.13 | valdyn | madclicker: i dont know when you built those debs |
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| 18:06.32 | madclicker | valdyn, i build the debs while in X session |
| 18:06.44 | madclicker | an the old fglrx module was loaded |
| 18:06.48 | valdyn | madclicker: loading an updated _kernel_ module certainly wont work while X is running, but that kernel module is not the current culprit i found |
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| 18:07.29 | valdyn | madclicker: you did restart X after installing those debs though? |
| 18:07.35 | madclicker | valdyn, i purgrd all but i still have x running with fglrx module |
| 18:07.50 | madclicker | valdyn, restart the whole system also |
| 18:08.17 | itchi | I have try to install jedit deb file of his official website and now i get the follow error while i want to install an new package: E: The package jedit needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 18:08.43 | valdyn | madclicker: ls -l /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so |
| 18:09.00 | itchi | I have try to deinstall or reinstall it with dpkg -i and -r but i not get it out. |
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| 18:10.47 | sepski | i am running a X app tru ssh -X -C from my debian at home to my debian at work, and the altgr key dont work, eg altgr 5 produce 5 instead of % both are Etch |
| 18:11.12 | sepski | anything i can do to get altgr to work as expected ? |
| 18:11.17 | madclicker | valdyn, ls: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so: No such file or directory |
| 18:11.38 | valdyn | madclicker: ok, that basicaly means that your debs are not suitable for your system |
| 18:11.40 | karsten | Any suggestions on creating an archive of *just* directories, with owners/perms, but _not_ files within the tree? |
| 18:11.56 | karsten | me_here: Your directories, all 81 of 'em to create: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3951 |
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| 18:12.58 | madclicker | valdyn, etch, standart install |
| 18:13.14 | Gods_gift | hi all |
| 18:13.53 | valdyn | madclicker: how did you generate those packages? |
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| 18:14.41 | Gods_gift | i need to download debian file"iso" for intel x86, can u giv me link. |
| 18:14.47 | madclicker | valdyn, module-assistant |
| 18:14.51 | SerajewelKS | !d-i |
| 18:14.51 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 18:14.53 | damejiar_ | hello |
| 18:14.58 | SerajewelKS | Gods_gift: ^^^ |
| 18:15.01 | valdyn | madclicker: eh? |
| 18:15.04 | me_here | karsten: thank you, i'll do that |
| 18:15.13 | valdyn | madclicker: then what has the ati-installer.run to do with it? |
| 18:15.36 | madclicker | valdyn, i had to create the debs |
| 18:15.43 | Gods_gift | SerajewelKS: yes? |
| 18:15.50 | valdyn | madclicker: how did you create the debs? |
| 18:15.57 | wols_ | !tell Gods_gift about d-i |
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| 18:16.23 | Gods_gift | wols_: thnx |
| 18:16.32 | madclicker | valdyn, btw, do i need any static labraries to be installed from xorg? |
| 18:16.53 | valdyn | madclicker: no |
| 18:17.07 | valdyn | madclicker: why dont you just answer the question? |
| 18:17.31 | Essobi | Hey fellas.. I'm trying to apt-get install g++ on a box and it's wants to remove base-config initrd-tools kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp.... That's my current kernel.. Why's it doing that? |
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| 18:18.25 | madclicker | valdyn, ati-installer.run -debian/testing |
| 18:18.29 | madclicker | something like that |
| 18:18.36 | valdyn | madclicker: ok. |
| 18:18.50 | valdyn | madclicker: suggest you try debian/unstable instead |
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| 18:19.09 | jair | can bunzip2 uncompress zip files? |
| 18:19.16 | damejiar_ | hey, does anybody had Debian installed in a notebook Dell Inspiron 630m or similar? |
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| 18:19.35 | slackd00d | what do you use for mplayer if ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ is down? |
| 18:19.36 | jair | can bzip2 uncompress zip files? |
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| 18:19.44 | abrotman | slackd00d: the correct one |
| 18:19.46 | karsten | me_here: You can probably skip the beagle dirs. |
| 18:19.48 | abrotman | !tell slackd00d about mplayer |
| 18:19.57 | karsten | jair: unzip |
| 18:20.02 | jair | I mean zip files can not be uncompress by anything else but unzip? |
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| 18:20.18 | jair | karsten: I am asking because I do not have zip or unzip installed |
| 18:20.18 | abrotman | there are different versions of zip |
| 18:20.26 | abrotman | and some zip have proprietary extensions |
| 18:20.30 | karsten | !tell jair about installit |
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| 18:20.34 | madclicker | valdyn, ./ati-driver-installer-<version>-<architecture>.run --buildpkg Debian/etch |
| 18:20.43 | me_here | karsten: i'll just create the necessary ones |
| 18:20.44 | karsten | jair: 'file <filename>' will tell you what the format is. |
| 18:20.55 | jair | karsten: I know how to install it, I am dealing with a general thing not network |
| 18:21.07 | jair | not internet to download or apt-get |
| 18:21.24 | jair | I only have bzip2 bunzip2 and gunzip and gzip |
| 18:21.40 | karsten | jair: in general, you need a compression-method-specific decompression utility for a given compressed format. I'm not familiar with a general purpose tool. |
| 18:21.40 | slackd00d | abrotman, it just says the page that i already listed,,, thanks for the help though |
| 18:21.44 | jair | none of this will uncompress zip files? bzip2 bunzip2 and gunzip and gzip |
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| 18:22.00 | abrotman | slackd00d: what does the last part say ? |
| 18:22.05 | dman | how can i get an individual package on woody.. i need wireless-tools (dont have net connectivity) |
| 18:22.07 | abrotman | jair: you need unzip |
| 18:22.10 | karsten | jair: I don't know how many times you need to be told, but no, those won't deal with pkzip ("zip") files. |
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| 18:22.39 | abrotman | jair: there are quite a few different zip-ish formats .. bzip,gzip,zip,7z etc |
| 18:22.40 | karsten | dman: fetch the deb, any dependencies, dpkg -i <package-file.deb> |
| 18:23.02 | slackd00d | abrotman, sorry man...i forgot a w on the www....now it works...thank you |
| 18:23.08 | dman | thx karsten, where do i get the deb from |
| 18:23.17 | karsten | !tell dman about mirrors |
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| 18:23.33 | abrotman | slackd00d: enjoy |
| 18:23.35 | rhsanborn | I have a fairly default install of Etch. Does anyone know if the default install can handle WPA Access Points? I know the "Network Configuration" utility is asking for a WEP key, and appears to have no option for WPA |
| 18:23.49 | abrotman | could be a driver limitation |
| 18:23.50 | jair | abrotman: and karsten Thank you, I was just corious, I will just use unzip ;) |
| 18:23.52 | sepski | nobody that knows how to get altgr to work on X11 across ssh ? |
| 18:23.59 | karsten | rhsanborn: apt-cache show iwconfig |
| 18:24.05 | slackd00d | abrotman, i will...thanks agian |
| 18:24.12 | abrotman | slackd00d: you're welcome |
| 18:24.27 | slackd00d | = ) |
| 18:24.41 | karsten | jair: With the _underlying_ compression/decompression/archive tools, something like nautilus, konqueror, or mc, should handle this automagickally. |
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| 18:25.48 | rhsanborn | karsten, if I run that, it says it can't find any packages, but at the same time I can run the command 'iwconfig' and it returns results |
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| 18:26.15 | karsten | rhsanborn: Then I gave you the name of the command rather than the package it's part of. |
| 18:26.19 | karsten | !tell rhsanborn about search |
| 18:26.29 | karsten | rhsanborn: 20k+ packages. I don't remember them all precisely. |
| 18:26.34 | abrotman | slacker |
| 18:26.45 | abrotman | !find iwconfig etch |
| 18:26.47 | rhsanborn | karsten, :P |
| 18:26.48 | karsten | abrotman: Start reciting them. Now. |
| 18:26.54 | madclicker | valdyn, any clue? |
| 18:26.56 | dman | thx karsten! |
| 18:26.57 | rhsanborn | It's iwtools isn't it? |
| 18:27.00 | abrotman | karsten: i'd get kicked :) |
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| 18:27.06 | abrotman | gah .. stupid 'failed' |
| 18:27.18 | karsten | abrotman: Why do you think I asked? |
| 18:27.28 | karsten | rhsanborn: wireless-tools. |
| 18:27.33 | abrotman | karsten: you still love me! :) |
| 18:27.33 | woodgrain | stew, I'm trying to apt-get source <package> but I can't find the specific package, where to look? |
| 18:27.37 | valdyn | madclicker: hmm, i said already, summed up: looks like the debian/etch packages generated will only support Xorg < 6.9, so try generating sid packages |
| 18:27.44 | karsten | abrotman: shh! WerdnaServer will get jealous. |
| 18:27.46 | abrotman | woodgrain: don't you want geda ? |
| 18:27.49 | rhsanborn | karsten, I have them |
| 18:28.00 | woodgrain | abrotman, yeah. |
| 18:28.10 | abrotman | isn't that the package name ? |
| 18:28.12 | karsten | rhsanborn: Yes, I know. If the binary's installed, the package is, axiomatically. |
| 18:28.20 | madclicker | valdyn, got it, would you happen to know if the ati run file has a uninstall option/ |
| 18:28.36 | valdyn | madclicker: well, not for debs certainly |
| 18:28.49 | dutche- | does anybody knows a voip client for debian? |
| 18:28.49 | woodgrain | abrotman, dude I thought i needed a big long fancy version number. |
| 18:28.59 | rhsanborn | karsten, I can find a readme on setting up WPA, I've done it before. I just thought it strange that the only option in the gui was WEP |
| 18:29.05 | woodgrain | apt-get is something! |
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| 18:29.34 | abrotman | woodgrain: you don't need a version number .. sid has only one version :) |
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| 18:29.46 | woodgrain | abrotman, ah hah! |
| 18:29.51 | bunnyy | !owner |
| 18:29.51 | dpkg | dondelelcaro owns me |
| 18:29.56 | abrotman | woodgrain: damn .. that's an old build in sid .. ales would be frowning |
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| 18:30.11 | abrotman | wtf |
| 18:30.24 | woodgrain | abrotman, I know it's old, just don't have the cajones to build from cvs. |
| 18:30.35 | anapivirtua_ | Nighty |
| 18:30.47 | abrotman | woodgrain: i mean . that's really old |
| 18:30.47 | woodgrain | abrotman, there is a guy named Hamish who builds the debian debs. he's usually pretty on top of things. |
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| 18:30.57 | abrotman | woodgrain: maybe contact him and ask him what's up |
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| 18:31.22 | abrotman | !maint geda |
| 18:31.27 | woodgrain | abrotman, maybe it's not him? maybe it's not stable enough for debian? |
| 18:31.27 | dpkg | geda: Hamish Moffatt <hamish@debian.org> |
| 18:31.31 | Essobi | Umm.. Anyone know how I can use apt-get w/o it trying to remove my kernel? |
| 18:31.36 | madclicker | thanks valdyn |
| 18:31.45 | woodgrain | bots are cool |
| 18:31.49 | abrotman | woodgrain: should be stable enough to go into sid .. ales takes pride in his work :) |
| 18:32.15 | rhsanborn | Have they recently upgraded etch? |
| 18:32.18 | rhsanborn | karsten, ty btw |
| 18:32.27 | karsten | rhsanborn: NP |
| 18:32.35 | woodgrain | abrotman, yeah it's a heartbreaker because ales and others have been doing tonnes of improvements. |
| 18:32.42 | karsten | Essobi: 'hold' your kernel. |
| 18:32.46 | abrotman | woodgrain: eh .. you might want to hold off |
| 18:32.48 | Essobi | Umm. |
| 18:32.49 | Essobi | How? |
| 18:32.55 | karsten | Essobi: Likely you've got a virtual kernel package and it's upgrading automatically. |
| 18:32.58 | woodgrain | abrotman, hold off on what? |
| 18:33.03 | karsten | Essobi: RTFM 'aptitude' |
| 18:33.06 | Essobi | lol |
| 18:33.07 | Essobi | K |
| 18:33.14 | abrotman | woodgrain: on building it |
| 18:33.20 | woodgrain | abrotman, why? |
| 18:33.35 | abrotman | woodgrain: he says he uploaded the newest |
| 18:33.43 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386654 |
| 18:34.00 | woodgrain | abrotman, who's he? hamish or ales? |
| 18:34.06 | valdyn | this pos ati installer assumes xorg6.9 for _both_ sid and etch |
| 18:34.16 | abrotman | hamish |
| 18:34.24 | abrotman | !alicekill ati |
| 18:34.31 | valdyn | nice! |
| 18:34.34 | valdyn | !win abrotman |
| 18:34.34 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 18:34.35 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 18:34.40 | abrotman | PONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:34.56 | rhsanborn | ... |
| 18:34.57 | rhsanborn | lol |
| 18:35.13 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.30 | woodgrain | abrotman, I'd give you a pony if I could, thanks for helpin' a noob. |
| 18:35.35 | eeyore- | hey abrotman |
| 18:35.39 | abrotman | eeyore-: heya! |
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| 18:35.55 | abrotman | woodgrain: read the bug# .. maybe contact hamish to find out what's up |
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| 18:36.13 | abrotman | hrm .. it hought ales moved geda-announce to mailman |
| 18:36.31 | woodgrain | abrotman, how do you find information so fast? |
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| 18:36.45 | abrotman | woodgrain: i'm a bot |
| 18:36.49 | Ronin | woodgrain: he has no life :) |
| 18:37.05 | abrotman | says the guy working for .ca gov't .. waiting around for new people to sit down |
| 18:37.06 | woodgrain | Ronin, what's this then? |
| 18:37.38 | abrotman | Ronin: i do .. i'm just sitting here cursing the damn yankees |
| 18:37.57 | Ronin | abrotman: jelousy will get you no where |
| 18:39.09 | abrotman | Ronin: oh yes .. i'm watching the game .. horrible life :) |
| 18:39.29 | Ronin | heh |
| 18:40.40 | abrotman | Ronin: ready for hockey?! |
| 18:40.58 | Ronin | abrotman: what do you think i was watching last night? and tonight as well!!! |
| 18:41.09 | woodgrain | abrotman, does the maintainer (hamish) have the ability to upgrade packages in all: stable, testing and sid? |
| 18:41.18 | Ronin | wifes resigned herself to being a married widow for the next few months |
| 18:41.23 | abrotman | Ronin: still preseason for a few days right ? |
| 18:41.35 | Ronin | abrotman: nope regular season started yesterday |
| 18:41.46 | abrotman | woodgrain: he cannot upload to stable .. and once uploaded to sid .. it may trickle to etch in a week or so |
| 18:42.03 | epsilon | in /vra/log, is there any recommendation which application should write logs in /var/log/ or in own subdir /var/log/app/? |
| 18:42.05 | abrotman | woodgrain: you could also ask him to prepare packages for backports.org (money might help that move along) |
| 18:42.14 | abrotman | Ronin: oh .. i thought it was next week |
| 18:42.26 | rhsanborn | Ronin, you're Canadian? |
| 18:42.31 | Ronin | rhsanborn: i am |
| 18:42.38 | woodgrain | abrotman, how much money? he wouldn't be insulted? |
| 18:42.40 | rhsanborn | Ronin, I'm sorry |
| 18:42.47 | rhsanborn | Ronin, :P |
| 18:42.47 | Ronin | why? you cant be one? |
| 18:42.52 | marcels | Are there any official debian live-cd's available somewhere? |
| 18:42.58 | rhsanborn | Ronin, You know what they sya about Canada? |
| 18:42.59 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 18:42.59 | dpkg | livecd is probably an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 18:43.17 | abrotman | woodgrain: i was joking .. you can ask .. but he might not be willing to do it. |
| 18:43.18 | rhsanborn | Ronin, "It's like a loft apartment over a really great party" |
| 18:43.48 | abrotman | Maine! |
| 18:43.56 | rhsanborn | Ronin, j/k :P |
| 18:44.09 | Ronin | :) |
| 18:44.32 | Essobi | FFS.. |
| 18:44.47 | karsten | Ronin: It's in Detroit. |
| 18:44.49 | Essobi | It's ignoreing my gold pkgname directives. |
| 18:44.52 | Essobi | Hold even. |
| 18:44.53 | karsten | Ronin: ... which is north of Canada. |
| 18:45.01 | abrotman | i was wondering what a gold pkgname was :) |
| 18:45.19 | abrotman | Essobi: it will do that if you've explicitly installed something that depends on a newer version of something you have on hold |
| 18:45.32 | karsten | Essobi: ignoring or reversing? You should be prompted before any held package is updated, and yes, this can happen. |
| 18:45.35 | woodgrain | abrotman, I'm confused. maintainers only add to sid? but what's in sid, if proven okay will filter down into the testing release? |
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| 18:45.40 | karsten | Essobi: what abrotman said. |
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| 18:46.14 | abrotman | woodgrain: debian/stable doesn't really get new packages .. security and RC(if possible) bugs are fixed .. other than that . all new stuff enters through sid/unstable |
| 18:46.18 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 18:46.18 | dpkg | ok, listen up. "Stable" in debian terminology means "doesn't change". Stable is stable. Unstable, by definition is not, unless you don't update it, which means you're not up-to-date with security fixes. Either way, you're wrong, and you sound stupid, and you're giving a false impression of what sid is REALLY like. See <sid evangelism>. |
| 18:47.40 | woodgrain | good point on the sid evangelism |
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| 18:48.19 | woodgrain | abrotman, looking at the geda stuff that Hamish last made for sid ... it's only a month old. |
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| 18:49.54 | eldowan | !moo |
| 18:49.55 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 18:50.00 | valdyn | !why is geda-doc not in testing |
| 18:50.00 | dpkg | geda-doc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=geda-doc |
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| 18:52.20 | madclicker | valdyn, i tried sid and experimental with no luck |
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| 18:53.14 | valdyn | madclicker: i just checked the code, that installer assumes xorg 7.1 for experimental and 6.9 for both etch and sid. |
| 18:53.44 | eeyore- | i want Xorg 7.1 one of these days. AIGLX, would be nice, too. man, i'm envious of all those compiz/beryl screenshots |
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| 18:54.28 | valdyn | madclicker: you could try just running that installer w/o generating packages. However im not _that_ familiar with the incompatibilities of x modules.. |
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| 18:54.54 | Althaser | can I edit the menu-xdg or debian menu ? please |
| 18:54.58 | madclicker | valdyn, i di that to, didbt help |
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| 18:55.16 | pzn | Hi, can you recomment me a package for spam filtering in a debian sarge server? is spamassassin a good choice? the server receives about 100messages/hour. there is plenty cpu load left for using... |
| 18:55.24 | valdyn | madclicker: see line 850 in your Xorg.0.log btw, the one you pasted, just fyi |
| 18:55.33 | karsten | pzn: spamassassin, bogofilter |
| 18:55.46 | nk | hi all, i'm tryng to install postfix-vda from debian.home-dn.net, but after update i still have no postfix-vda with apt-cache search...can you help me? |
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| 18:56.14 | karsten | pzn: sa typically runs 0.2 - 4 seconds per message, depending on remote lookups, with multiple child processes (suggest limit to ~10-15) to allow parallel processing. |
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| 18:56.45 | abrotman | woodgrain: that was the last release afaict |
| 18:56.56 | karsten | pzn: bogofilter's remarkably faster. DNS queries are a substantial time factor, increase apparent load average (multiple processes blocked for IO), also memory load (SA is a pretty hefty Perl app). |
| 18:57.27 | karsten | pzn: Running SA w/o process limits may send your system into fatal thrashing on high spam loads. |
| 18:57.32 | jspiro | hi all. what say we campaign to get http://oss.oracle.com/debian/dists/unstable/non-free/binary-i386/oracle-xe_10.2.0.1-1.1_i386.deb into non-free? |
| 18:57.36 | madclicker | madclicker, i've seen that but someone told me its on "II" not a problem |
| 18:57.43 | madclicker | valdyn, ^ |
| 18:58.02 | pzn | karsten, does any of them require user interaction? (training the filter) |
| 18:58.13 | karsten | pzn: Some. |
| 18:58.26 | valdyn | madclicker: no, its on WW, and it does explain that * no 3D acceleration available * |
| 18:58.39 | karsten | pzn: The bog-standard performance is pretty good. Training false negative / false positive results help.s |
| 18:58.56 | karsten | pzn: What's intended use? Personal, organization, or third-party end-users? |
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| 18:59.24 | madclicker | valdyn, oh, the stuff inside the box, real usfull information |
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| 18:59.55 | valdyn | madclicker: thats the consequence of the two II lines above |
| 19:00.06 | pzn | karsten, the server is installed at a company, with 60 users. users work are not related to computers, so most users just know how to access internet and email -- will be hard to ask users to train the filter... |
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| 19:00.37 | karsten | pzn: Got any good guinea pigs? Slightly more technical users? |
| 19:01.01 | valdyn | madclicker: i can only imagine that you have 2 fglrx.ko moduls in /lib/modules/(uname -r) |
| 19:01.10 | valdyn | madclicker: i can only imagine that you have 2 fglrx.ko moduls in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
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| 19:01.32 | karsten | pzn: My suggestion: set up SA or bogofilter, set hard rejects on high scores, allow anything with a 4 or 5 or less, but tag it as probable spam (so users' mail agents can handle them). |
| 19:01.35 | pzn | karsten, two users know how to use debian and do some simple maintenance in the server. other users don't |
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| 19:02.06 | jspiro | hmm, do squirrelmail or Horde/IMP allow users to train anti-spam filters? |
| 19:02.09 | karsten | pzn: ... combine with tools such as greymilter, rate limiting, DNSBLs, and/or locally maintained blacklists of known spam servers. |
| 19:02.30 | karsten | pzn: ... and set up a couple of mailboxes users can forward improperly scored mail to. |
| 19:02.54 | valdyn | madclicker: ' find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -name fglrx*' |
| 19:03.04 | karsten | pzn: If you're using MS Outlook, that's going to be pretty useless (headers are mangled), but bounced / forwarded-as-attachment mail would be useful. |
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| 19:03.35 | karsten | pzn: Usual problem is that different users have different spam thresholds / tolerances, and in particular marketing tends to want to get a lot of stuff IT would regard as spam. |
| 19:03.49 | pzn | karsten, good suggestion. so users can forward spams to train the filter. |
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| 19:03.57 | MatBoy | I'm having crashing FireFoxes after some time on Etch with KDE |
| 19:04.03 | karsten | pzn: Set up with a very high (10+) reject threshold initially and throttle down per your experience. |
| 19:04.05 | karsten | pzn: Right. |
| 19:04.25 | karsten | pzn: The smarts would then be a process to periodically run spam/ham (ham ==non-spam) training based on those corpuses. |
| 19:04.27 | MatBoy | cydork, hey man ! |
| 19:04.36 | jspiro | MatBoy: i'm sorry to hear. |
| 19:04.39 | MatBoy | cydork, everything well ? |
| 19:04.53 | eldowan | Debian etch, ~/.xsession-errors reports 28GB of lines like "error 183 request 157 minor 14 serial -999303654". How can I trouble shoot this? |
| 19:04.58 | MatBoy | jspiro, ah.... can happen... I need someone that has the same :D |
| 19:04.58 | madclicker | valdyn, /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/misc/fglrx.ko |
| 19:05.06 | pzn | karsten, which app would be better, SA or BF? |
| 19:05.27 | jspiro | MatBoy: you need to describe to us the problem in full for us to help you. |
| 19:05.27 | karsten | pzn: You might also set up a diversion for a handful of representative users so you can get a sense of what sort of mail they are / aren't getting, and train this yourself. I'd suggest telling the users you're doing this. Most US jurisdictions give you full rights, but it's a human factor thing. |
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| 19:05.48 | karsten | pzn: SA is overall more accurate, usually. BF is much faster and lighter, reportedly, though I haven't used it. |
| 19:05.53 | MatBoy | jspiro, it is just crashing.... nothing more... it closes all FF screens |
| 19:06.07 | MatBoy | jspiro, after some hours |
| 19:06.09 | karsten | pzn: see also: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/cidr-house-rules.pdf for some related ideas. |
| 19:06.19 | Ronin | MatBoy: and what were you looking at? doing? at that time when it crashed? any errors in the log files? |
| 19:06.19 | jspiro | dunno. |
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| 19:07.01 | pzn | karsten, I use BF for my personal mail, with procmail and mutt. it works great, however I had to train it for 2 weeks to get acurate results. |
| 19:07.14 | MatBoy | Ronin, no strange logs... that's why I'm here.... it happens after about 9 hours or more, can be earlier.... Most of the time I have about 15 FF's open |
| 19:07.26 | Ronin | *blink* heh |
| 19:07.39 | MatBoy | :) |
| 19:07.41 | karsten | pzn: Right. Generally 300 - 1000 mails is a good training corpus. |
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| 19:08.08 | jspiro | ChaosR: are you running IRC as root? |
| 19:08.10 | Ronin | ChaosR: you wont be able to talk loged on as root |
| 19:08.18 | karsten | pzn: ... again, if you can archive some mail initially, run training using it immediately as you install BF, your results should be good. |
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| 19:08.37 | MatBoy | haha, typical dutch :P |
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| 19:08.50 | jspiro | MatBoy: racial slurs are not tolerated here. |
| 19:08.59 | Ronin | ChaosR: log on as a normal user and try again |
| 19:09.03 | pzn | karsten, and I have to implement 2 mailboxes so outlook users can forward-as-attachment to them? |
| 19:09.19 | MatBoy | jspiro, damn, don't tell me that... I'm Dutch.... are you new here ? Never seen you before ;) |
| 19:09.20 | karsten | pzn: One is for false positives, one for false negatives. |
| 19:09.26 | abrotman | !tell chaosR about root |
| 19:09.39 | karsten | pzn: MS Outlook munges mail headers and doesn't forward them, is pretty much useless. |
| 19:09.48 | MatBoy | abrotman, I think the guy is on a server |
| 19:09.50 | abrotman | does better than MSCRM |
| 19:09.57 | abrotman | MatBoy: tough shit? |
| 19:10.04 | jspiro | MatBoy: I remember you from #winehq / #ubuntu. |
| 19:10.15 | MatBoy | jspiro, I'm never there |
| 19:10.17 | abrotman | take him back! |
| 19:10.26 | jspiro | take MatBoy back? |
| 19:10.27 | karsten | pzn: If you're using Thunderbird, Eudora, or OS X's Mail.app, you're in much better shape. Anything that preserves RFC 2822 message format. Lotus Notes, Outlook, etc., are pants. |
| 19:10.28 | MatBoy | jspiro, never been on winehq |
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| 19:10.34 | ChaosR | hmm |
| 19:10.37 | ChaosR | it does work |
| 19:10.39 | ChaosR | :) |
| 19:10.40 | abrotman | ChaosR: much better |
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| 19:10.47 | MatBoy | jspiro, abrotman thinks he is funny :) |
| 19:10.49 | jspiro | MatBoy: then from #ubuntu. |
| 19:10.51 | Ronin | there see not as root you can talk :) |
| 19:10.56 | MatBoy | jspiro, I never run ubuntu |
| 19:11.00 | abrotman | MatBoy: depends who you ask ... |
| 19:11.02 | jspiro | did you ever? |
| 19:11.04 | MatBoy | jspiro, never did before |
| 19:11.09 | ChaosR | so, i need help |
| 19:11.15 | ChaosR | the xserver won't work |
| 19:11.35 | karsten | !doesn't work |
| 19:11.35 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 19:11.35 | jspiro | MatBoy: dunno. |
| 19:11.35 | Ronin | ChaosR: what happens when you try? |
| 19:11.35 | karsten | !drxx |
| 19:11.35 | abrotman | flames! |
| 19:11.35 | dpkg | i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 19:11.36 | jspiro | !smart questions |
| 19:11.36 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 19:11.37 | ChaosR | crash |
| 19:11.43 | karsten | ChaosR: ^^ drxx |
| 19:11.46 | ChaosR | :P |
| 19:11.52 | Ronin | ChaosR: errors? msgs? read the drxx factoid :) |
| 19:11.53 | MatBoy | jspiro, me neither... someone asked me sometime ago also if he ever spoke to me... didn't knew the guy |
| 19:12.06 | jspiro | MatBoy: odd. |
| 19:12.13 | ChaosR | i hate this client |
| 19:12.14 | MatBoy | jspiro, never mind :) |
| 19:12.17 | ChaosR | irc client* |
| 19:12.20 | Ronin | MatBoy: close some of those ff windows and dont be onlne for 19 hours :) |
| 19:12.26 | Ronin | ChaosR: then change it to irssi |
| 19:12.26 | MatBoy | ChaosR, what are you using ? |
| 19:12.49 | MatBoy | Ronin, damn.... that is not that long 19 hours :D |
| 19:12.51 | jspiro | ChaosR: try chatzilla for easy-to-use or irssi for powerful. |
| 19:12.57 | ChaosR | xchat-text |
| 19:13.06 | ChaosR | can't get a gui working |
| 19:13.08 | MatBoy | Ronin, indeed, but less open is a solution most of the time... |
| 19:13.13 | abrotman | jspiro: no gui .. no chatzilla :) |
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| 19:13.17 | MatBoy | Ronin, can;t remember that I had it before |
| 19:13.18 | jspiro | spiro@amd:~$ wajig show xchat-text |
| 19:13.19 | jspiro | No packages found from those known to be available or installed |
| 19:13.20 | abrotman | ChaosR: try irrsi-text |
| 19:13.20 | jspiro | odd. |
| 19:13.33 | abrotman | ChaosR: what does your X log say about starting X ? |
| 19:13.38 | MatBoy | ChaosR, new installed system ? |
| 19:13.41 | ChaosR | fatal server error: no screens found |
| 19:13.48 | ChaosR | first time i'm using debian |
| 19:13.50 | karsten | ChaosR: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 19:13.59 | ChaosR | used SuSE before |
| 19:14.00 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 19:14.00 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 19:14.02 | MatBoy | ChaosR, have you installed Nvidia or somethign ? |
| 19:14.03 | jspiro | ChaosR: how was your experience with other distros? |
| 19:14.04 | MatBoy | seomthing |
| 19:14.07 | MatBoy | damn ! |
| 19:14.09 | MatBoy | something |
| 19:14.11 | abrotman | ChaosR: check a few lines above it |
| 19:14.12 | ChaosR | SuSE was easy to use |
| 19:14.19 | jspiro | !tell matboy about enter |
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| 19:14.31 | luke-Jr_work | wtf :( |
| 19:14.32 | MatBoy | jspiro, no, some new hands would be nice |
| 19:14.37 | ChaosR | argg this IRC cleitn is confusing as hell |
| 19:14.43 | luke-Jr_work | I did dpkg-reconfigure -a and now my udev rules are being ignored :( |
| 19:14.56 | jspiro | MatBoy: sorry :) |
| 19:14.59 | Ronin | ChaosR: tehn change it |
| 19:15.02 | MatBoy | jspiro, haha, NP man ! |
| 19:15.08 | jspiro | :) |
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| 19:15.25 | abrotman | ChaosR: check a few lines farther up the log .. should be another error |
| 19:15.31 | ChaosR | I think I need to configure the xserver |
| 19:15.35 | ChaosR | it's missing a lot |
| 19:15.37 | abrotman | !drxx ChaosR |
| 19:15.38 | dpkg | ChaosR: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 19:15.46 | tziku | Hello, what i need to install to have a SMTP server for squiremail ? I have this error: Warning: fsockopen(): unable to connect to ropsy.com:25 ; Connection refused ; Server replied: 111 ? I'm using debian . |
| 19:15.48 | karsten | abrotman: I've told him that twice now. |
| 19:15.48 | abrotman | ChaosR: do you have a WM/DE you'd like ? |
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| 19:15.50 | Ronin | ChaosR: have you read teh multiple drxx msgs? |
| 19:16.13 | ChaosR | Ronin: no |
| 19:16.18 | abrotman | ChaosR: do you have a WM/DE you'd like ? |
| 19:16.28 | Ronin | ChaosR: that would be a good place to start |
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| 19:16.34 | deitarion | I'm a gentoo-using programmer and I'm wondering what steps I should take to streamline the construction of apt packages, either by a 3rd-party, or within a Qemu virtual machine. |
| 19:16.36 | ChaosR | if i knew a what WM/DE was maybe |
| 19:16.37 | karsten | ChaosR: What Ronin said. |
| 19:16.42 | wols_ | tziku: exim or postfix |
| 19:16.47 | abrotman | deitarion: you want to who/what ? |
| 19:16.48 | tziku | thanks :) |
| 19:16.50 | karsten | ChaosR: WM == window manager. DE == desktop environment. |
| 19:16.51 | Ronin | ChaosR: window manager/desktop enviroment |
| 19:16.54 | abrotman | ChaosR: kde/gnome/blackbox etc |
| 19:17.03 | ChaosR | I want KDE |
| 19:17.05 | karsten | ChaosR: DEs: KDE / GNOME / XFCE4. |
| 19:17.06 | ChaosR | I like KDE |
| 19:17.09 | ChaosR | but for KDE |
| 19:17.14 | ChaosR | i need xserver too work |
| 19:17.19 | deitarion | abrotman: I'm wondering what I should be doing to simplify the process of creating debian packages for interested 3rd parties. |
| 19:17.19 | karsten | !tell ChaosR about install kde |
| 19:17.28 | wols_ | tziku: you might also need to configure it btw. out of the box probably neither delivers to your imap inbox |
| 19:17.35 | Ronin | ChaosR: read those msgs, you could have x by now :) |
| 19:17.43 | abrotman | deitarion: you can keep a debian/ directory in your source tar.gz ... |
| 19:17.44 | ChaosR | I can barely read them |
| 19:17.47 | ChaosR | in this client |
| 19:17.50 | ChaosR | confusing like heel |
| 19:17.51 | ChaosR | hell |
| 19:17.53 | ChaosR | * |
| 19:18.10 | Braindead | ChaosR: fix your *enter* key,it keeps pressing randomly |
| 19:18.19 | wols_ | x-chat confusing? wow |
| 19:18.20 | abrotman | ChaosR: apt-get install kde x-window-system kdm |
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| 19:18.23 | deitarion | abrotman: I've heard of that, but I don't know what to put into it. I've been unable to find a guide to creating debian packages, so I don't know what steps I can do without needing a copy of debian. |
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| 19:18.29 | ChaosR | this is xchat-text |
| 19:18.30 | abrotman | !tell deitarion about mg |
| 19:18.33 | abrotman | !tell deitarion about mentors |
| 19:18.38 | karsten | Braindead: Lay off. |
| 19:18.43 | wols_ | ChaosR: install irssi-text |
| 19:18.52 | Ronin | ChaosR: type what wols_ and abrotman just pasted |
| 19:19.10 | ChaosR | installing |
| 19:19.37 | ChaosR | switching clients |
| 19:19.39 | ChaosR | brb |
| 19:19.45 | deitarion | abrotman: Thanks. Now I'm off to wherever the Fedora IRC channel is to ask about how to streamline RPM creation. |
| 19:19.48 | Ronin | good man,get on irssi |
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| 19:19.57 | abrotman | i oculd have told him about that too .. oh well :) |
| 19:20.10 | wols_ | Ronin: one step after the other. and finally: world domination! |
| 19:20.22 | Ronin | wols_: indeed, bwhahahahahahaha |
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| 19:21.12 | Braindead | mmm isn't the borg-like world domination more a bitchx stuff? |
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| 19:22.06 | chaosr | hmm, better |
| 19:22.11 | Braindead | indeed |
| 19:22.12 | chaosr | much better |
| 19:22.29 | Bracki | where can i set where root's mail is delivered to? |
| 19:22.31 | karsten | Braindead: wols_: abrotman: MatBoy: Ronin: confused n00bs w/ problematic IRC clients are probably best helped by one person, not a mob. |
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| 19:22.37 | abrotman | Bracki: in the aliases file |
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| 19:22.48 | smax | hi guys |
| 19:22.50 | Bracki | abrotman: /etc/aliases ? |
| 19:22.51 | abrotman | karsten: i blame you! |
| 19:22.55 | chaosr | maybe some usefull information: i'm using the netinst cd |
| 19:23.02 | karsten | abrotman: Too bad, I still love you, baby. |
| 19:23.02 | Braindead | karsten: you're mobbing him!!!11one |
| 19:23.03 | wols_ | Bracki: yes |
| 19:23.04 | abrotman | Bracki: most likely. .. refer to the docs for your smtp server to be sure |
| 19:23.12 | chaosr | now, where were we |
| 19:23.24 | abrotman | apt-get install kde x-window-system kdm |
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| 19:23.28 | Ronin | so how do we decide that one person karsten |
| 19:23.29 | eldowan | Debian etch, ~/.xsession-errors reports 28GB of lines like "error 183 request 157 minor 14 serial -999303654". How can I trouble shoot this? |
| 19:23.33 | karsten | abrotman: /msg dpkg console paster which is the next thing I'm about to tell him. |
| 19:23.47 | abrotman | karsten: i'd like to know if there's a better error about five lines up |
| 19:23.47 | karsten | Ronin: abrotman |
| 19:23.50 | abrotman | !pastewithoutx |
| 19:23.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 19:23.54 | karsten | abrotman: ?? |
| 19:24.02 | abrotman | karsten: he has 'no screens found' |
| 19:24.03 | Braindead | Ronin: it's mob rules. we beat each other up so there will be a last man standing |
| 19:24.03 | karsten | abrotman: Right, I know that one too. |
| 19:24.12 | Braindead | survival of the fittest |
| 19:24.12 | karsten | abrotman: Misconfigured X. drxx should fix it. |
| 19:24.13 | abrotman | let's use #flood .. it's been a while! |
| 19:24.17 | jspiro | i like gpm, but GNU Screen is also nice. though the coolest would be if the 2 were integrated. |
| 19:24.26 | chaosr | can someone help me |
| 19:24.41 | chaosr | remember i only read about 10% of things said on xchat-text |
| 19:24.45 | karsten | abrotman: I like console paster better m'self. |
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| 19:24.56 | beardy | jspiro: Do one thing, and do it good. |
| 19:25.01 | karsten | chaosr: what client are you using now? |
| 19:25.08 | chaosr | irssi-text |
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| 19:25.23 | karsten | chaosr: I'll /msg you your lastlog, should have everything. |
| 19:25.29 | jspiro | beardy: what do you mean? |
| 19:25.31 | chaosr | karsten: kk |
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| 19:26.15 | ChaosR | karsten: how to get to it |
| 19:26.28 | smax | im missing apt.sources where can i get the latest repo's ? |
| 19:26.30 | ChaosR | karsten: the only thing i'm seeing is this channel |
| 19:26.33 | karsten | ChaosR: Should show up in another window. /win 1, then <ctrl>-p to go one more over. |
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| 19:26.47 | karsten | ChaosR: Should be a pink/red number on the bottom right of your screen. |
| 19:26.55 | karsten | ChaosR: Type "/win <number>" |
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| 19:27.13 | smax | jspiro: how is that relevent to anything ? |
| 19:27.25 | karsten | ChaosR: You got it. abrotman's the boss now. |
| 19:27.26 | Ronin | smax: debian sarge? |
| 19:27.29 | smax | yes |
| 19:27.34 | jspiro | smax: it sounds like you're new to Linux? |
| 19:27.37 | abrotman | who what ? |
| 19:27.38 | Ronin | smax: try running apt-setup then as root |
| 19:27.43 | smax | oh ok |
| 19:27.44 | smax | thanx |
| 19:27.46 | karsten | jspiro: Are you Clippy? |
| 19:27.57 | jspiro | karsten: i'm even worse :) |
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| 19:28.02 | wols_ | karsten: cloppy doesn't duck |
| 19:28.03 | ChaosR | abrotman: can you help me? |
| 19:28.04 | smax | karsten: i think he |
| 19:28.11 | karsten | jspiro: "Sounds like you're trying to be a 1337 h4x0r" |
| 19:28.13 | smax | karsten: i think he's having trouble getting laid |
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| 19:28.33 | smax | regardless of how 1337 he is |
| 19:28.35 | jspiro | i usually recommend ubuntu to newbies and debian to more knowledgeable folks. |
| 19:28.35 | wols_ | smax: "latest repos" is kinda nonsensical btw |
| 19:28.41 | ChaosR | :/ |
| 19:28.41 | abrotman | ChaosR: use channels.debian.net/paste .. paste your whole log please |
| 19:28.44 | jspiro | it's never gotten me kicked yet... |
| 19:28.48 | karsten | jspiro: as do I. |
| 19:28.50 | abrotman | ChaosR: use w3m or links2 |
| 19:29.01 | ChaosR | abrotman: er? |
| 19:29.07 | karsten | !console paster |
| 19:29.07 | dpkg | well, console paster is yes, Virginia, you can use a pastebin website from console. Save any relevant to file (redirect stdout & stderr). Install a console-mode browser (elinks, w3m, lynx), and console mouse management (gpm) and screen ('screen', RTFM for copy/paste). Use irssi-text as a text-mode IRC client, and sort it out. Remember: help us help you. |
| 19:29.10 | karsten | ChaosR: ^^ |
| 19:29.13 | wols_ | ChaosR: install links2, a console webbrowser |
| 19:29.50 | ChaosR | wols_: installing |
| 19:29.51 | jspiro | why is there no shell-script bundled with irssi for automatically redirecting stdin to a pastebin website? |
| 19:30.00 | Braindead | ahem this is gonna take longer than asking him which videocard he's got....I bet on brand spanking new nvidia card and he selected nv... |
| 19:30.05 | karsten | dpkg: !s/elinks/links2/ console paster |
| 19:30.10 | karsten | hrm... |
| 19:30.20 | karsten | Braindead: 'lspci | grep VGA' |
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| 19:30.32 | jspiro | maybe i should file a wishlist bug requesting such a script. |
| 19:30.32 | Braindead | karsten: don't tell me ;) |
| 19:30.33 | ChaosR | wols_: started it, and now? |
| 19:30.35 | karsten | jspiro: Good question. |
| 19:30.38 | karsten | Braindead: Tell him. |
| 19:30.49 | Braindead | karsten: nope,it's *your* patient now,dr. house |
| 19:30.53 | smax | wols_ does Debian not use dapper ? |
| 19:31.00 | karsten | Braindead: my patient my ass. |
| 19:31.09 | Supaplex | dapper is ubuntew |
| 19:31.11 | wols_ | smax: debian is debian, ubuntu is ubuntu |
| 19:31.14 | ChaosR | :/ |
| 19:31.15 | smax | oh ok |
| 19:31.16 | karsten | smax: dapper is an ubuntu release. Nothing to do with debian. |
| 19:31.23 | jspiro | smax: please refer to www.debian.org and the newbie docs for more info :) |
| 19:31.31 | smax | ok |
| 19:31.37 | wols_ | !tell ChaosR about console paster |
| 19:31.46 | madclicker | valdyn, sid works in 2d experimental wont load the fglrx module |
| 19:31.52 | Braindead | karsten: it could be lupus |
| 19:32.01 | Bracki | anybody familiar with postfix? |
| 19:32.05 | Braindead | house teached me it can always be lupus. |
| 19:32.06 | ChaosR | HELLO? |
| 19:32.12 | madclicker | valdyn, do you know if the one from the repos support 7.0? |
| 19:32.22 | jspiro | !justask |
| 19:32.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:32.23 | karsten | smax: debian: buzz bo ham slink potato woody sarge etch |
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| 19:32.31 | karsten | Braindead: ? |
| 19:32.41 | karsten | Braindead: Feh. |
| 19:33.10 | Bracki | when postfix asked me where to deliver root mail, i left the field unconfigured, how can i fix this? |
| 19:33.15 | karsten | smax: ... and rex (after buzz) |
| 19:33.30 | Bracki | i'm using the typical virtual/mysql thingy |
| 19:33.31 | wols_ | Bracki: #postfix is best. to make your aliases file usable: postmap |
| 19:33.37 | amphi | Bracki: /etc/aliases |
| 19:33.38 | karsten | Bracki: $EDITOR /etc/aliases; newaliases. |
| 19:33.40 | abrotman | ChaosR: /j #flood |
| 19:33.44 | karsten | Bracki: ... as root. |
| 19:33.45 | amphi | Bracki: and then run newaliases |
| 19:33.58 | wols_ | Bracki: and workaround.org has an excellent "ISPMail" howto |
| 19:34.01 | Bracki | so i just put root: he-man? |
| 19:34.08 | buzzy- | people i have installed w32codecs, but if i listen to a .wav file it is choppy!!!...how can i solve? (I HAVE UBUNTU) |
| 19:34.16 | karsten | Bracki: root: <username or fully qualified address> |
| 19:34.20 | abrotman | ChaosR: ? |
| 19:34.23 | karsten | !tell buzzy- about ubuntu |
| 19:34.25 | abrotman | buzzy-: go to #ubuntu |
| 19:34.33 | buzzy- | i malready there! |
| 19:34.37 | Bracki | wols_: i used the workaround setup, but it is surprisingly fuzzy on certain topics... |
| 19:34.38 | Braindead | ask there |
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| 19:34.45 | karsten | buzzy-: then /part here |
| 19:34.47 | jspiro | buzzy-: if you are using ubuntu we in #debian can't help you. |
| 19:34.47 | asg | karsten: he'll probably also have to run postconf or some other silliness |
| 19:34.48 | Supaplex | buzzy-: you're in the debian galaxy here. We don't service 3rd party distros. |
| 19:34.56 | karsten | asg: I think newaliases handles it. |
| 19:35.03 | wols_ | Bracki: go to #postfix and bug Chris. he's often there. he wrote the thing :) |
| 19:35.09 | asg | karsten: ah, that's it. |
| 19:35.21 | karsten | asg: It's straight out of sendmail. |
| 19:35.32 | asg | wols_: though Wietese Venema wrote it? |
| 19:35.33 | buzzy- | ok |
| 19:35.34 | buzzy- | tnx |
| 19:35.36 | buzzy- | ;) |
| 19:35.36 | me_here | where can i get a dpkg binary, it is removed, and i can't install via apt |
| 19:35.41 | asg | karsten: yeah, it uses postconf for some other maps though. |
| 19:35.47 | wols_ | asg: postfix is a sendmail drop in replacement |
| 19:35.47 | karsten | me_here: From a Debian mirror |
| 19:35.47 | Bracki | asg: the howto whre taliking about... |
| 19:35.53 | Braindead | me_here: http://packages.debian.org/dpkg |
| 19:35.56 | karsten | me_here: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 19:35.57 | asg | wols_: so is exim, so is qmail ;) |
| 19:35.57 | keith | Anyone got any recomends for a decent easy to use wiki |
| 19:36.07 | Supaplex | mediawiki |
| 19:36.08 | karsten | me_here: ... or what Braindead said. |
| 19:36.09 | wols_ | me_here: you can't. apt needs dpkg to actually install stuff: apt always calls dpkg |
| 19:36.23 | Braindead | me_here: then start investigating why "it is removed". it ain't just right |
| 19:36.27 | wols_ | asg: qnauk? drop in? surely you jest |
| 19:36.28 | karsten | wols_: ?? |
| 19:36.33 | karsten | wols_: WRT me_here |
| 19:36.41 | Supaplex | you can extract and use bits of debian packages w/o apt/dpkg to 'bootstrap' the system... it's just more difficult. |
| 19:36.55 | karsten | wols_: Mind: he can un-ar the package, install the tarballs, and run preinst/postinst scripts manually. |
| 19:37.05 | asg | wols_: not at all, postfix, qmail, and exim can perform all of the non-historical functions of sendmail |
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| 19:37.15 | karsten | wols_: Mind, this is the idiot who blew away /var/cache on a whim. |
| 19:37.16 | wols_ | karsten: someone who is new as him, how actually managed to delete dpkg? good luck |
| 19:37.18 | jspiro | I use mediawiki. It's the best -- it's full-featured and all wikipedians know the markup. |
| 19:37.23 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:37.23 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:37.24 | karsten | wols_: Yeah, as I said. |
| 19:37.24 | wols_ | *who |
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| 19:37.53 | rhsanborn | Anyone mind if I ask a slightly off-topic question? It has to do with proxy and port forwarding |
| 19:38.05 | karsten | !tell rhsanborn about ask |
| 19:38.08 | jspiro | rhsanborn: try channel #networking |
| 19:38.12 | ChaosR | how do you close acts/screens in irssi-text ? |
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| 19:38.28 | Supaplex | ChaosR: /window close ? |
| 19:38.31 | karsten | ChaosR: '/win close' in a window, or '/part' in a channel. |
| 19:38.36 | rhsanborn | karsten, I normally do just ask, but, this was OT, wanted to see if it would be a prob :P |
| 19:38.40 | wols_ | ChaosR: /window close |
| 19:38.45 | Braindead | ChaosR: if it's a query /query,if it's a channel /part or just /window close |
| 19:38.45 | karsten | rhsanborn: Just asking is less of a problem. |
| 19:38.47 | ChaosR | karsten: i knew /part |
| 19:38.48 | keith | is mediawiki in apt sources ? |
| 19:38.54 | rhsanborn | karsten, thx |
| 19:38.57 | karsten | !tell keith about search |
| 19:39.07 | GoAuLd | !tell me about search |
| 19:39.08 | karsten | !tell keith about pdo |
| 19:39.14 | karsten | GoAuLd: /msg the bots please |
| 19:39.16 | keith | Iv searched. |
| 19:39.17 | abrotman | !tell GoAuLd about selftell |
| 19:39.38 | karsten | keith: And ... ? |
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| 19:40.03 | jspiro | beardy: > "jspiro: Do one thing, and do it good." ==> what did you mean? |
| 19:40.08 | keith | karsten: nope |
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| 19:40.14 | karsten | keith: Wrong answer |
| 19:40.22 | karsten | keith: How did you search? |
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| 19:40.48 | keith | apt-cache search mediawiki |
| 19:40.57 | abrotman | does X4 support ati9200 ? |
| 19:41.01 | karsten | keith: What release? sarge or etch? |
| 19:41.06 | keith | sarge |
| 19:41.14 | karsten | abrotman: Per a query last night, I think so. |
| 19:41.44 | karsten | abrotman: Dave something-or-other was asking, I found some hits. There's a Debian driver (dfglx or something?) for it. |
| 19:41.51 | karsten | keith: Might just be etch. |
| 19:42.02 | keith | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=mediawiki&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 19:42.05 | keith | not in there. |
| 19:42.05 | karsten | keith: Check at pdo as suggested previously. /msg dpkg backports. |
| 19:42.34 | karsten | keith: You're wrong there. |
| 19:42.53 | keith | am i? |
| 19:43.02 | karsten | keith: No, I'm just making this shit up. |
| 19:43.09 | me_here | !tell me about mirrors |
| 19:43.13 | karsten | </sarcasm> # for the truly impaired. |
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| 19:43.37 | keith | karsten: iv just searched and it is not in stable |
| 19:43.44 | asg | karsten: what if we are SGML impaired also? |
| 19:43.59 | keith | ill add the backported package to my sources and install that i guess |
| 19:44.03 | karsten | keith: Read what I've told you and review your statement. |
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| 19:44.21 | karsten | keith: Search at PDO. Don't limit yourself to stable. There may be a backport, may not, I don't know. |
| 19:44.32 | karsten | keith: mediawiki 1.5 is in Debian etch. |
| 19:44.55 | jspiro | so is mediawiki1.6 i believe |
| 19:45.02 | karsten | keith: If you've noticed, I'm _not_ giving you a straight answer because you really should be able to figure out how to do this yourself. |
| 19:45.12 | keith | ok. |
| 19:45.14 | karsten | jspiro: I see 1.7 |
| 19:45.32 | jspiro | cool |
| 19:45.49 | DaBlade | Creepy: http://www.lwilliamlosapio.com/?page_id=42 |
| 19:45.51 | ChaosR | abrotman: ??? |
| 19:46.24 | jspiro | > "jspiro: Do one thing, and do it good." ==> anyone know what he meant? |
| 19:47.05 | asg | jspiro: the basis of the Unix Tools Philosophy. |
| 19:47.13 | ChaosR | abrotman: ???????? |
| 19:47.14 | karsten | !unix philosophy |
| 19:47.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, unix philosophy is http://www.scarynetworkguy.net |
| 19:47.27 | jspiro | i've read TAOUP already. |
| 19:48.07 | jspiro | one thing i noticed though was that he said it in response to 15:24 < jspiro> i like gpm, but GNU Screen is also nice. though the coolest would be if the 2 were integrated. |
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| 19:48.13 | GoAuLd | there is no captive-ntfs.DEB or ntfs-3g.deb out there? |
| 19:48.29 | karsten | !captive |
| 19:48.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom, or <pipeline> abrotman: What would it take to get that captive factoid replaced with just "DON'T USE CAPTIVE, DAMNIT" |
| 19:48.59 | jspiro | GoAuLd: apt-get install wajig && wajig unofficial captive |
| 19:49.21 | livingtm | I love being associated with such factoids |
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| 19:49.50 | jspiro | GoAuLd: warning: wajig unofficial is SLOW. |
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| 19:49.57 | karsten | livingtm: So, about those pics of mom.... ? |
| 19:49.58 | GoAuLd | well, i dont care too much if ntfs gets crashed |
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| 19:50.06 | karsten | whois jspiro |
| 19:50.08 | GoAuLd | wajig? |
| 19:50.22 | jspiro | jspiro is a student based in Toronto, Canada. |
| 19:50.24 | livingtm | karsten, try to avoid them |
| 19:50.24 | GoAuLd | isnt that like apt-get ? |
| 19:50.31 | jspiro | GoAuLd: yes |
| 19:50.43 | karsten | GoAuLd: It's an alternate package management interface out of CISRO, Oz. |
| 19:50.44 | h3sp4wn | The fuse module is supposed to be more reliable than captive |
| 19:50.51 | GoAuLd | so apt-get install captive should work |
| 19:51.08 | karsten | GoAuLd: It's not NTFS, it's your kernel. |
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| 19:51.32 | GoAuLd | what fuse module? |
| 19:51.35 | GoAuLd | 3g ? |
| 19:51.38 | karsten | GoAuLd: you're installing a MSFT driver into kernel space w/ captive. |
| 19:51.44 | h3sp4wn | GoAuLd: yep |
| 19:51.59 | GoAuLd | oh |
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| 19:52.06 | keith | How do i only use backports to install this one package all i wish to install is mediawiki from backports |
| 19:52.47 | keith | if i add it to sources then apt-get install mediawiki1.7 will it start pulling deps from backports ? |
| 19:53.19 | jspiro | all: why don't packages that aren't in non-free (e.g. skype, oracle-xe, etc.) have virtual packages in the BTS? |
| 19:53.24 | petemc | keith: the backports site has instructions |
| 19:53.32 | keith | petemc: im reading them |
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| 19:53.34 | Bracki | smaddy got a good howto on creating a raid 1 at runtime with mdtools or whatever? |
| 19:53.48 | jspiro | or, why can't reportbug send bug reports to the listed maintainers in a package's controlfile? |
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| 19:53.58 | esteel | hmm hal 0.5.8-1 seems to be broken.. i could nolonger suspend as normal user when i updated. I needed to downgrade to 0.5.7-2 .. |
| 19:54.05 | jspiro | Bracki: what kind of PC are you on? |
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| 19:54.18 | Bracki | jspiro: w/o raid controller |
| 19:54.26 | keith | however it says that backports is deactiviated by defualt. But all i had to type was apt-get install mediawiki1.7 after adding the sources |
| 19:54.28 | Bracki | jspiro: if thats qhat you mean |
| 19:54.29 | nightfly | hi all |
| 19:54.50 | jspiro | Bracki: RAM, mhz, hdd. also what do you use the PC for mostly - games? server? |
| 19:54.58 | jspiro | nightfly: hi |
| 19:55.22 | nightfly | when I launch apt-get upgrade from root an ipotetic stable version may becomes an unstable/test version? |
| 19:55.35 | petemc | keith: apt-get -t sarge-backports install package , like it says |
| 19:55.49 | jspiro | nightfly: please check your spelling |
| 19:55.59 | Bracki | jspiro: server, 1GB, 2* 120GB scsi, amd64 3800+ |
| 19:56.02 | keith | petemc: all i had to type was apt-get install package |
| 19:56.08 | asg | nightfly: only if you've got testing/unstable sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:56.26 | nightfly | asg thanks |
| 19:56.43 | jspiro | Bracki: what's the main use of the PC? |
| 19:57.13 | Bracki | jspiro: server: apache, mail, thats it, maybe teamspeak and some data processing |
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| 19:58.03 | jspiro | Bracki: i'd just do nightly backups and forget raid. |
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| 19:58.23 | Bracki | jspiro: but that way im wasting the other hd ;) |
| 19:58.29 | jspiro | too bad :P |
| 19:58.38 | abrotman | !tell ChaosR about fglrx |
| 19:58.38 | keith | just setup sw raid its easy |
| 19:58.53 | omry | I am trying to use ipmasq to share inet connection between two machines. I activated ipmask on the machine connected to the internet, and set that machine as the default gw for the other machine, but the other machine was not able to access the internet. any idea what I missed? |
| 19:59.02 | Bracki | jspiro: you mean raids not worth it or too cpu costly? |
| 19:59.17 | Bhavesh | omry: you also have to enable ip_forward on the gateway machine |
| 19:59.22 | jspiro | Bracki: if you don't need it, i figure, why bother. |
| 19:59.33 | omry | Bhavesh, how do I do that? |
| 19:59.35 | jspiro | not worth the time it takes to set up. :) |
| 19:59.51 | redloff | hi, whenever I send a job to my hp lj-3055 via `echo test | lpr -P LaserJet-3055` command, I need to press [ok] button on the printer to confirm printing or [cancel] button to abort it. However when I print via lpr -l the confirmation is not required |
| 19:59.54 | woodgrain | abrotman, hey, we talked about backporting geda earlier. |
| 20:00.03 | redloff | what do I do do print everytime without confirming? |
| 20:00.05 | woodgrain | abrotman, maybe I ought to just build from source? |
| 20:00.06 | valdyn | omry: you're describing what you intended to do, probably not what you did, show commands that dont work, show route -n output of both |
| 20:00.07 | redloff | it's rather annoying |
| 20:00.19 | Bracki | jspiro: you still have a some docs on it? |
| 20:00.29 | woodgrain | abrotman, because the geda in unstable is 9 months (not one) old. |
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| 20:00.38 | jspiro | Bracki: i don't. maybe try: /msg dpkg listkeys raid |
| 20:00.44 | Bhavesh | omry: hold on |
| 20:00.47 | abrotman | woodgrain: you can try .. you can try to use the debian/ folder from the sid source .. see what happens |
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| 20:00.57 | abrotman | woodgrain: i'd probably contact the maintainer first |
| 20:01.20 | Bracki | what can i do with those factoids? |
| 20:01.22 | woodgrain | abrotman, hmmmkay. I have built from these before (on an ubuntu) and it went okay, up to a point. |
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| 20:01.24 | jspiro | all: why don't packages that aren't in non-free (e.g. skype, oracle-xe, etc.) have virtual packages in the BTS? |
| 20:01.25 | Bhavesh | omry: echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 20:01.29 | jspiro | or, why can't reportbug send bug reports to the listed maintainers in a package's controlfile? |
| 20:01.38 | Bracki | im an irc fool |
| 20:01.43 | jspiro | woodgrain: /msg dpkg $NAME_OF_FACTOID_YOU_WANT_TO_READ |
| 20:01.46 | jspiro | oops |
| 20:01.51 | smax | i installed libglib2.0 and i still have some packages saying glib.h does not exist. |
| 20:01.57 | jspiro | Bracki: /msg dpkg $NAME_OF_FACTOID_YOU_WANT_TO_READ sorry woodgrain, wrong person. |
| 20:02.13 | tarzeau | there's a discussion about http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktopArtwork/EtchRC1 on oftc in #debian-meeting ? |
| 20:02.15 | jspiro | smax: which packages are you trying to compile from source? |
| 20:02.16 | Bhavesh | omry: and uncomment this line in /etc/sysctl.conf #net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 |
| 20:02.25 | Bhavesh | that will make it so when you reboot it still forwards it |
| 20:02.33 | omry | valdyn, I am on the machine that I want to share the connection with. at the moment its connected via an adsl router and have a static LAN (10.0.0.1) IP. after I set the default gw to the other machine (10.0.0.2) ping google.com didn't work. |
| 20:02.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you says omething to the artwork? |
| 20:02.40 | omry | Bhavesh, trying. |
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| 20:03.44 | valdyn | omry: you realyl need to paste the outputs of route -n, your statements are either confusing or just wrong but there's no point going on w/o output of your machine ( as opposed to you explaining ) |
| 20:04.21 | omry | valdyn, output of route -n before I set the default gw? |
| 20:04.22 | valdyn | omry: same for the 'ping' btw , PASTE erorrs, dont interpret them for me |
| 20:04.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: eh ? |
| 20:04.40 | Bhavesh | omry: ok |
| 20:04.49 | valdyn | omry: after or both |
| 20:05.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: n/m, it was last month |
| 20:05.36 | abrotman | ok |
| 20:05.44 | valdyn | !paste |
| 20:05.45 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 20:09.05 | Bracki | is somebody familar with creating shared imap folders and courier imap? |
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| 20:11.16 | CosmoDad | what would be the best way to ask questions about particular debian packages? direct mail contact with the maintainer? |
| 20:11.37 | CosmoDad | there's a dependency within a package I use (puppetmaster) which I doubt is necessary |
| 20:12.02 | CosmoDad | or should I file a bug even though I might be wrong? |
| 20:12.14 | pzn | karsten, sorry... a costumer arrived here, I had to go out... |
| 20:12.27 | epsilon | CosmoDad: mail the maintainer |
| 20:12.36 | valdyn | CosmoDad: why cant you verify the dependency? |
| 20:12.37 | CosmoDad | epsilon: ok, thanks |
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| 20:12.50 | karsten | pzn: ?? |
| 20:13.05 | CosmoDad | valdyn: basically, I did verify it but I'm not sure if I took everything possible into consideration |
| 20:13.08 | vin` | went to a costume party? |
| 20:13.11 | karsten | pzn: Ah. NM. |
| 20:13.30 | valdyn | CosmoDad: i'd file a bug then |
| 20:13.35 | pzn | karsten, I was writing to you and had to left unexpectedly... I had an idea: In every mail, I'll store every message in the server for 2 weeks. Then I can make a php/cgi script that feeds bogofilter with that message. |
| 20:14.00 | karsten | pzn: Right, pretty much what I was thinking. |
| 20:14.06 | CosmoDad | valdyn: I don't consider myself a professional, however, so I'm not sure about the filing |
| 20:14.07 | smax | jspiro: im trying to compile libsmtp. |
| 20:14.10 | pzn | karsten, users will receive in the mail headers or in the body two links, one for false positive, other for negatives |
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| 20:14.27 | smax | so i can utilize smtp in my C programs. |
| 20:14.38 | pzn | karsten, does it seem to be a good solution? |
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| 20:14.56 | smax | what package provides glib.h ? |
| 20:14.59 | karsten | pzn: I think so. Your users will let you know ;-) |
| 20:15.06 | karsten | !tell smax about search |
| 20:15.11 | smax | ahh |
| 20:15.41 | valdyn | CosmoDad: i guess its up to you if you mind being seen as being wrong in public (bts is public ), beside that the maintainer will simply close the bug and explain why you're wrong |
| 20:15.51 | pzn | karsten, ok. thanks! |
| 20:16.15 | valdyn | CosmoDad: personal mail he's free to ignore your report |
| 20:16.46 | CosmoDad | valdyn: it's not that I mind being blamed as newbie in public :) , it's just that I'm not sure whether the BTS is the proper channel for this issue |
| 20:17.10 | valdyn | CosmoDad: it is |
| 20:17.19 | karsten | CosmoDad: You can also ask here or post to a list (eg: debian-user). Even an invalid bug report can be useful as it's a record for other folks that this is _not_ a bug. |
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| 20:17.34 | dafe | hi all |
| 20:17.41 | dafe | what ia64 stands for?? |
| 20:17.44 | dafe | itanium?? |
| 20:17.49 | Gathond | dafe: yes |
| 20:17.55 | smax | will dpkg -S /sbin/foo work on a package that is not yet installed ? |
| 20:17.56 | valdyn | CosmoDad: well, if your package "works fine" after you force remove that depend, you can be sure that you do at least have a base for your observation |
| 20:18.02 | cydork | !ia64 |
| 20:18.02 | dpkg | from memory, ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" architecture using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/xeon, it is NOT ia64 |
| 20:18.07 | Gathond | or actually its Intel Architecture 64, but that is what is marketed as itanium |
| 20:18.20 | pzn | smax: check http://packages.debian.org there is a search page for files |
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| 20:18.27 | smax | oh ok |
| 20:18.44 | pzn | smax, dpkg -S will work on installed packages only. |
| 20:18.49 | cydork | smax, or use apt-file |
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| 20:18.54 | CosmoDad | valdyn, karsten: ok, I'll file a bug then, you guys convinced me |
| 20:19.10 | dafe | so what i should actually install on a dual xeon?? |
| 20:19.13 | CosmoDad | or is anyone here else using puppet and thinks that it's not necessary for puppetmasterd to install puppet? |
| 20:19.27 | smax | cydork sudo: apt-file: command not found |
| 20:19.27 | bonez39 | if /sbin/init is corrupted....is it possible to replace it with 'iinit' from aother system....? or would it require a reinstallation? |
| 20:19.52 | smax | cydork using sudo apt-file search glib.h |
| 20:20.02 | dan2 | abrotman: where the hell is Leimy? |
| 20:20.11 | abrotman | dan2: at home i presume |
| 20:20.19 | cydork | smax, you have to install that |
| 20:20.28 | smax | ok |
| 20:20.37 | dan2 | abrotman: I need his expert advice on C++ |
| 20:20.39 | cydork | smax, once you got it installed apt-file update and then you are ready to go |
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| 20:22.08 | madclicker | i cant install ati drivers to work with etch, can anyone help? |
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| 20:23.01 | zaphands | Hello! I have a system with a configured cups server. How do I configure my debian to use the cups server over the network? |
| 20:24.16 | zaphands | Anyone here? |
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| 20:24.33 | omry_ | Bhavesh, valdyn, enabling ipv4 packet forwarding and installing dnsmasq on the sharing machine did the trick. thanks. |
| 20:24.36 | abrotman | dan2: he's probably working :) |
| 20:25.52 | nightfly | how may i mount an usb device |
| 20:25.53 | nightfly | ? |
| 20:26.09 | nightfly | I've tried with fstab |
| 20:26.17 | cydork | !usb storage |
| 20:26.18 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 20:26.20 | nightfly | but it doesen't work |
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| 20:27.28 | zaphands | What I meant is: How do I add a cups client? |
| 20:27.34 | lepton | nightfly: does it appear in /proc/partitions? |
| 20:27.48 | epsilon | I have a mirror server containing some opensource project under GPL... do I need to store GPL license file on my ftp? |
| 20:28.20 | lepton | zaphands: you shouldn't have to configure the client with cups |
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| 20:28.37 | linux2 | can anyone here help me with xinerama |
| 20:28.38 | linux2 | ? |
| 20:28.53 | zaphands | lepton: I don't want to install a server when I only use a client. |
| 20:29.04 | esleep | linux2: what is the problem? |
| 20:29.08 | linux2 | i have tried tons of things but i cannot get the dual display to work |
| 20:29.15 | linux2 | i want it to work similar to how it does on windows |
| 20:29.22 | linux2 | each screen has its own seperate resolution |
| 20:29.36 | stew | linux2: what version of debian are you using? |
| 20:29.39 | esteel | hmm i never tried that but it should work too i guess ;) |
| 20:29.40 | linux2 | i was trying twin view but it combines both monitors as if they are 1 and i didn't like this at all |
| 20:29.43 | linux2 | stew: etch |
| 20:29.44 | zaphands | lepton: so how do I do it? |
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| 20:29.58 | stew | linux2: put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:30.03 | nightfly | just a moment |
| 20:30.05 | nightfly | !paste |
| 20:30.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 20:31.11 | stew | linux2: oh wait, twin-view? is that some proprietary thing? |
| 20:31.17 | linux2 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3953 |
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| 20:31.21 | IoX | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste Im getting this error when trying to install nvidia-kernel |
| 20:31.25 | IoX | could someone please help? |
| 20:31.26 | linux2 | stew: yeah twinview is nvidia stuff |
| 20:31.26 | IoX | whups |
| 20:31.28 | IoX | sec |
| 20:31.35 | IoX | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3952 |
| 20:31.37 | linux2 | stew: but it didn't do what i wanted to im going to pass on it |
| 20:31.38 | IoX | thanks |
| 20:31.42 | linux2 | xinerama looks better |
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| 20:33.07 | nightfly | my problem is here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3954. |
| 20:33.17 | cydork | IoX, are you root? do you have synaptic open? |
| 20:33.37 | IoX | cydork: wow, thanks hehe I did forget to close synaptic :$ |
| 20:33.45 | linux2 | stew: anything? |
| 20:33.53 | IoX | hehe, Im still learning how things work in linux, thanks :) |
| 20:34.09 | cydork | !beer me |
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| 20:35.10 | Bhavesh | i dont' drink |
| 20:35.16 | Bhavesh | often enough |
| 20:35.18 | Bhavesh | ;) |
| 20:35.29 | stew | linux2: you may need to specify busid for the card if you want to use xinerama, and you may need to put "Option "Xinerama"" into your ServerLayout |
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| 20:37.16 | linux2 | stew: ok i added that to the server layout |
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| 20:37.30 | linux2 | stew: im not sure of the bus id, its a pci express card |
| 20:37.44 | cydork | Bhavesh, i am out of beer :( |
| 20:37.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: in your file .. is that the card you have ? |
| 20:37.54 | linux2 | 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7300 GS (rev a1) |
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| 20:39.05 | linux2 | stew: nope nothing |
| 20:39.09 | linux2 | didn't change anything |
| 20:39.21 | linux2 | all that im getting is a warning saying there is more than one identical card |
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| 20:40.14 | linux2 | now i don't have two graphics cards |
| 20:40.24 | linux2 | all i have is a single graphics card with two vga outputs |
| 20:40.45 | esteel | linux2: for xinerama you need to specify two cards.. with the same busid and one of them with screen 0 and one with screen 1. |
| 20:41.04 | esteel | hmm i'll boot my desktop machine then i can give you my xorg.conf.. |
| 20:41.05 | linux2 | esteel: do i need to specify bus id? |
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| 20:41.14 | linux2 | esteel: o thanks |
| 20:41.17 | esteel | linux2: yes.. moment |
| 20:41.39 | stew | linux2: i believe you do, but i don't know about the non-free driver. have you tried the free driver? |
| 20:42.05 | Trewas | linux2: btw xinerama does just the same as twinview, combines both monitors so that they work like one. I understood you didn't want that? |
| 20:42.09 | linux2 | stew: humm nope haven't tried tha free driver |
| 20:42.16 | Bhavesh | cydork: want me to send you some? |
| 20:42.24 | Bhavesh | DEEPA is back? |
| 20:42.31 | cydork | Bhavesh, you want my address? |
| 20:42.33 | linux2 | Trewas: yeah i want both monitors to have seperate resolutions, have any of you ever done this on a windows machine |
| 20:42.44 | cydork | :P |
| 20:42.47 | Bhavesh | cydork: sure.. btw are you in US? :) |
| 20:42.57 | Bhavesh | i don't wanna spend MORE money sending the beer then buying it :) |
| 20:42.57 | cydork | Bhavesh, hell no :P |
| 20:43.07 | linux2 | where both screens are either 1 or 2 and then you can change the orientation of them and resolution independently of each other. also you can drag the windows between them |
| 20:43.13 | cydork | Bhavesh, have paypal? ;) |
| 20:43.21 | Bhavesh | that was my next thought :) |
| 20:43.37 | stew | linux2: yes, i do this on my laptop |
| 20:43.55 | linux2 | stew: but i wonder why it isn't possibly under linux |
| 20:44.00 | linux2 | you would think that it would be |
| 20:44.09 | Trewas | linux2: they can have different resolutions with xinerama, but that is not IMO very useful |
| 20:44.21 | stew | linux2: no, i only use linux. i'm telling you it's possible, i do it |
| 20:45.08 | linux2 | well i want them to both just be 1280x1024 as apposed to with twinview where it was combining both monitors saying they were 2048 or something like that x1024 |
| 20:45.27 | linux2 | not only did it look horrible but it was placing the icons on my left screen and my tool bar on my right |
| 20:45.42 | linux2 | i just want the left screen to be basically a blank workspace |
| 20:46.07 | stew | linux2: that's a matter of configuring your desktop environment. i don't see how this would be different while using xinerama |
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| 20:46.38 | esteel | linux2: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3955 |
| 20:46.40 | linux2 | stew: well i attempted to configure it but everything wanted to display at that resolution |
| 20:47.42 | esteel | linux2: guess you will have to adjust your resolution and busid.. |
| 20:47.42 | stew | linux2: well a xinerama aware window manager (most probably are at this point) would know in fact where the monitor boundry is |
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| 20:48.16 | linux2 | esteel: how do i find out the busid? |
| 20:48.18 | linux2 | lspci? |
| 20:48.48 | Bhavesh | how much should i send you cydork ? |
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| 20:49.35 | stew | linux2: PCI:5:0:0 |
| 20:49.42 | cydork | Bhavesh, well 10 to 25 euros will do i guess :P |
| 20:50.01 | Bhavesh | hmm that's like what US$15? :) |
| 20:50.06 | Bhavesh | so how's italy? :) |
| 20:50.30 | esteel | linux2: yes pci.. and stew told you the right one from your last lspci post :) |
| 20:50.35 | madclicker | anyone had any luck building an ATI fglrx module for XORG 7.0 ? |
| 20:50.59 | esteel | madclicker: last time i tried i used the debian unstable deb modules.. |
| 20:51.07 | cydork | Bhavesh, nope actully euro has higher price than $ but tht off-topic ;) |
| 20:51.09 | esteel | was just a matter of following the readme.txt :P |
| 20:51.24 | madclicker | esteel, for Etch ? |
| 20:52.21 | Bhavesh | cydork: i was converting the LOWER end of your offer 10euro :) |
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| 20:52.40 | esteel | madclicker: hmmm i'm not sure if they are already in etch.. |
| 20:52.43 | cydork | Bhavesh, hehe |
| 20:52.53 | esteel | but the ati installer should be easy to handle, i just never tried it.. |
| 20:52.54 | madclicker | i can figure out why the etch repos have the fglrx module for XORG 6.8 and it is still installable |
| 20:52.59 | madclicker | kind of fucked |
| 20:53.08 | Bhavesh | well i am going home from work.. i chatted enogh at work so i have to go home and chat |
| 20:53.12 | Bhavesh | bbl |
| 20:53.16 | linux2 | esteel: ok i almost got it the way i like it. thanks |
| 20:53.30 | Braindead | cydork: don't try to fool foreigners into believing that a pint of beer costs 10 euros in Italy. let us do the job ;) |
| 20:53.52 | esteel | linux2: no problem.. glad to have helped.. |
| 20:53.54 | phummer | I've created a "Restricted" type authentication on a directory in apache, and then one of it's directories is also restricted with a different .htpasswd. The subdirectory keeps prompting for the password. Does anyone know what I might be doing wrong. |
| 20:54.02 | esteel | but i need some sleep now.. cu all |
| 20:54.03 | cydork | Braindead, you ruined it :P |
| 20:54.19 | Braindead | cydork: birbaccione |
| 20:55.19 | cydork | heh |
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| 20:56.19 | Derailed | Hey guys, I have a simple question for you that I ought to have already found the answer to by now.... how can I install a package with a service (like udev) *without* that service starting when I install it (that is, not starting until a reboot or until I explicitly start it). |
| 20:56.37 | enouf | !rcconf |
| 20:56.37 | dpkg | "rcconf" is, like, a frontend to the update-rc.d, or check out "sysv-rc-conf" - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
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| 20:57.40 | abrotman | enouf: that doesn't help him |
| 20:57.58 | Derailed | the scripts are all fine, I just don't want the service to start on installation. |
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| 20:58.18 | Derailed | (installing lots of stuff in a chroot, I don't actually want the services started at the timer) |
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| 21:00.59 | enouf | abrotman: oh well .. just don't start the service then .. somethign lke udev doesn't start until one reboots anyway |
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| 21:01.18 | abrotman | you don't have an option .. that's what he's saying |
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| 21:01.55 | enouf | abrotman: then he needs a local repo to store until ready for install |
| 21:02.11 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 21:02.19 | Derailed | the package starts a bunch of daemon processes running in the chroot during the installation -- these processes block me from doing some of the stuff I have to do later, I just don't want it to start the service automatically. |
| 21:02.48 | Braindead | fiddling with the postinst before the install can be quite tricky |
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| 21:03.03 | enouf | Derailed: Kill those services .. /etc/init.d/<service> stop |
| 21:03.07 | h3sp4wn | Derailed: try compiling and installing the kanotix sysv-freeze package into the chroot if you want then new services can only start if you specifically unfreeze rc.d and then re freeze it again (http://kanotix.com/files/debian/pool/main/s/sysv-freeze/ - source is available) |
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| 21:03.34 | nightfly | now it works |
| 21:03.45 | nightfly | it was just a modules problem |
| 21:03.46 | nightfly | see ya |
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| 21:03.50 | ribnitz | heyas.. I have troubles with fonts in X (sid), since the last few days. Fonts in Firefox or Thunderbird only display when highlighted. What am I doing wrong? |
| 21:04.04 | enouf | !customer |
| 21:04.04 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 21:04.13 | Althaser | how can I edit my debian menu ? please |
| 21:04.44 | thompsbm | how do you configure apt to go through proxy... it will not work with proxychains |
| 21:04.52 | enouf | Althaser: right click the K menu choose Menu Editor |
| 21:05.15 | abrotman | !apt-proxy |
| 21:05.15 | dpkg | i heard apt-proxy is a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. |
| 21:05.20 | abrotman | dpkg: not that one! |
| 21:05.28 | Derailed | enouf, that could work, it just would be nice to not have it start in the first place. Looking around, it looks like the answer might be somewhere in invoke-rc.d or policy-rc.d |
| 21:05.35 | abrotman | !apt-proxy.conf |
| 21:05.35 | dpkg | i heard apt-proxy.conf is the Config file for apt-proxy, it is usually located in /etc/apt-proxy/apt-proxy.conf , see man apt-proxy.conf for more info |
| 21:05.44 | abrotman | not that either! |
| 21:05.51 | Althaser | enouf it isn't that menu ;-P |
| 21:06.03 | abrotman | !http_proxy |
| 21:06.03 | dpkg | it has been said that http_proxy is export 'http_proxy=http://PROXY:port/' -- It can be used with apt-get or lynx or wget - the trailing slash is important!, or export 'http_proxy=http://username:password@proxy:port/' if you need to authenticate |
| 21:06.05 | abrotman | yay me |
| 21:06.12 | bonez39 | is it possible, to swap one 'init' file for another....i.e., a known working 'init' on my knoppix cd....swappd to my as yet unbootable SATA drive...... in /sbin ? |
| 21:06.31 | enouf | Derailed: understood .. just not sure what actually enables "startup" upon install .. note many pkgs need to be updated first, before they are even useful |
| 21:06.52 | abrotman | bonez39: seriously doubt it |
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| 21:07.04 | enouf | Althaser: then right click the Debian Menu in Gnome' |
| 21:07.21 | Derailed | enouf, i *think* it's just that the postinst script would have somethnig like /etc/init.d/blah start or something -- but that's just conjecture on my part. |
| 21:07.28 | thompsbm | abortman: is apt-proxy something i need to install |
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| 21:07.40 | thompsbm | abortman: i did not find the file that dpkg said |
| 21:07.51 | enouf | Derailed: someone eluded to the .postinst files.. look into that |
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| 21:08.25 | anordby | Anyone know why qla2xxx kernel module isn't picking up it's firmware during the boot process of Debian Sarge? If I run modprobe qla2xxx after booting, it loads just fine. I've put it in /lib/firmware. |
| 21:08.28 | cydork | !apt_preferences |
| 21:08.28 | dpkg | somebody said apt_preferences was setting up your machine to use more than one of stable/testing/unstable. You can specifiy a default distribution, but be allowed to manually select packages from the other distributions to install, and they will automatically be kept up-to-date. See the manual page (man apt_preference) for details. |
| 21:08.35 | bonez39 | abrotman, I mean, could I swap the one good one in ...renaming the existing init to init.old and then if that didn't work. delete the new 'init' and rename init.old back to init? |
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| 21:11.53 | enouf | Derailed: if you are using customized scripts .. why not just add an 'update-rc.d <servicename> defaults stop' or similar to the script .. just guessing |
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| 21:12.25 | olskolirc | hello |
| 21:12.30 | olskolirc | oh wow |
| 21:12.36 | olskolirc | what happened to my text |
| 21:12.37 | Derailed | enouf, yeah I think what I end up doing will look something like that -- at the moment I'm looking at making a policy-rc.d script which simply tells it to not run ANYTHING, and then remove the script when I'm done. |
| 21:12.43 | damejiar | does anybody have installed debian in a Dell laptop (my model is Dell Inspiron 630m)? |
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| 21:13.10 | olskolirc | testing |
| 21:13.10 | enouf | Derailed: I hope your goals are not nefarious related :-) |
| 21:13.20 | woodgrain | !mandb |
| 21:14.10 | amphi | !laptop damejiar |
| 21:14.10 | amphi | um |
| 21:14.10 | olskolirc | ssssss |
| 21:14.11 | olskolirc | i need another client |
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| 21:14.11 | amphi | damejiar: see linux-laptop.net and tuxmobil.org |
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| 21:14.48 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 21:14.48 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 21:20.07 | damejiar | amphi : yes , laptop |
| 21:20.31 | blondie | Herr0 |
| 21:20.33 | damejiar | amphi : my model is in the list, but with ubuntu |
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| 21:20.45 | amphi | damejiar: you can use the info still, no? |
| 21:21.19 | Derailed | enouf, how could it be nefarious? :-) |
| 21:21.39 | damejiar | amphi : the problem is that Debian installler cd (sarge 3.1) does not detect my hard disk |
| 21:21.55 | amphi | damejiar: sata? |
| 21:22.02 | damejiar | amphi : yes |
| 21:22.06 | Derailed | enouf, it's a finnix hack... my script chroots into a directory, installs all the packages I need, and then when it exits a LiveCD is built out of it, which is why I don't actually want those services *running* when I'm installing them :-) |
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| 21:22.23 | damejiar | amphi : and with Debian installer Sarge 3.1 rev 03, does not detect the cdrom |
| 21:22.41 | amphi | damejiar: I have no sata, so I can't help you |
| 21:22.58 | cydork | damejiar, try with sarge 2.6.16 |
| 21:23.04 | cydork | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 21:23.05 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 21:23.05 | ifireball | how can I umount a stale NFS? -f doesn't seem to work for me... |
| 21:23.26 | cydork | damejiar, or try with etch |
| 21:23.32 | Derailed | Hey actually, you guys might be able to help me with the *real* problem I'm having, which is just that I want USB sticks to be called 'uba', 'ubb' etc instead of 'sda' and stuff. I'm assuming I need udev to be able to do it, but is there an easier way? |
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| 21:24.40 | damejiar | cydork : the problem continues, I tried with etch, and does not detect the CDrom |
| 21:24.58 | cydork | !etch sata |
| 21:24.58 | dpkg | If you have a SATA Atapi CD-ROM drive, you may run into some problems while installing Debian etch. Check for details http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataAtapiHowto |
| 21:25.00 | randomity | Derailed, udev *is* the easy way ;-) |
| 21:25.10 | cydork | damejiar, tried that?? |
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| 21:25.20 | damejiar | cydork : ok, thanks |
| 21:26.30 | weissi | if sata works, but no sata-cdrom: then `modprobe libata atapi_enabled=1` or if you boot from sata: in /etc/initramfs/modules add the line "libata atapi_enabled=1" on top |
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| 21:26.59 | jak | Hi, can anybody recommend a tool that can recursively ftp upload a directory tree, skipping files that are already there? |
| 21:27.09 | cydork | jak, lftp |
| 21:27.20 | jak | cydork, thanks |
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| 21:28.10 | Groundy | is there any easy way to get CVS log in a format like debian/changelog ? |
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| 21:28.44 | zzz | Hi! By the installation there is a "menu" where i can select which mirror(s) to use. From a "real" system, how can i reach this "menu"? In woody there was an apt-setup program, but what is in etch? |
| 21:28.48 | weissi | jak, rsync |
| 21:29.27 | cydork | zzz, it's not there. |
| 21:29.29 | jak | weissi, rsync doesn't seem to work with ftp |
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| 21:30.09 | cydork | weissi, rsync just works with ssh or rsh i guess. |
| 21:30.24 | weissi | jak, I just tried it: `rsync ftp.kernel.org::/pub/* .` ;-) display MOTD and says "receiving file list..." |
| 21:30.44 | cydork | weissi, upload? |
| 21:30.54 | coney | Hi, does anyone know what type of an image the debian-31r3-i386-binary-1.iso DVD image is? K3b doesn't recognize it as ISO 9660, burnt anyway renders an illegible dvd. |
| 21:30.58 | jak | weissi, I expect that's because ftp.kernel.org runs an rsync server |
| 21:31.26 | zzz | cydork: Then what can i use to discover the mirrors? |
| 21:31.28 | Groundy | coney: sounds like the download is corrupt, have you checked the md5sums? |
| 21:31.52 | weissi | jak, ah you mean? thats possible, so sorry |
| 21:32.03 | Groundy | coney: I thought dvd's were UDF, not 9660 |
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| 21:32.12 | woodgrain | the debian reference manual says to :> a file. This just means overwrite it, right? |
| 21:32.12 | cydork | zzz, you can /msg dpkg sources.list or you can use apt-spy |
| 21:32.15 | coney | Nope, should do that, thanx. |
| 21:32.30 | weissi | jak, yes, you're right! I'm sorry |
| 21:32.32 | woodgrain | woodgrain, overwrite it with nothing. |
| 21:32.40 | woodgrain | ? |
| 21:33.14 | cydork | woodgrain, talkin to your self? |
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| 21:34.16 | woodgrain | cydork, haha, I'm a user with very low confidence 8) |
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| 21:34.22 | Groundy | CVS log in debian/changelog format, eg: http://debian.pastebin.com/801002 is there a quick and easy way? |
| 21:34.25 | woodgrain | cydork, is that what it means? |
| 21:34.41 | adam | hello. I want to have the entire system in english (language, messages, time, etc), but have CTYPE set to sv_SE UTF8, what tool should I use? |
| 21:34.46 | weissi | jak, did you try lftp ? |
| 21:34.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: what file? |
| 21:35.03 | cydork | woodgrain, wht file? |
| 21:35.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: the fglrx thingie |
| 21:35.17 | adam | (i run etch) |
| 21:35.21 | jak | weissi, I'm trying to figure its commandline options out |
| 21:35.23 | jak | thanks |
| 21:35.29 | jak | I'll tell you if it works |
| 21:35.34 | jak | looks good with a 'mirror' command |
| 21:35.35 | weissi | jak, -R means reverse-mirror |
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| 21:35.57 | woodgrain | cydork, file is /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:36.13 | weissi | jak, and --only-missing --only-newer or whatever --only-* you need |
| 21:36.18 | cydork | woodgrain, which version of debian are you using? |
| 21:36.37 | woodgrain | cydork, in process of upgrading to testing from stbale |
| 21:37.06 | cydork | woodgrain, then /msg dpgk sources.list |
| 21:37.33 | cydork | woodgrain, and yes it does mean that |
| 21:37.52 | woodgrain | hmmkay. thanks. apt-get is doing its magic now. |
| 21:37.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver ? |
| 21:37.58 | jak | weissi, thanks |
| 21:38.06 | tarzeau | i've got an nvidia |
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| 21:38.36 | weissi | is there a way to do realpath() in shell? (/etc/../usr/../..//////var/././lib/../run/ --> /var/run)? |
| 21:38.45 | Tallu | What was the filename to touch if you want to force diskcheck on next reboot? |
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| 21:39.53 | dondelelcaro | Tallu: just use shutdown -F |
| 21:40.30 | Tallu | dondelelcaro: ah, that'd work. cheers. |
| 21:40.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: yeah |
| 21:41.14 | Groundy | woot, cvs2cl.pl it is |
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| 21:43.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: you want to know which one exactly? |
| 21:43.37 | PF | Hey monkeys |
| 21:43.40 | abrotman | i just asked if it was yours |
| 21:43.44 | tarzeau | PF: hey fucktard |
| 21:43.46 | Tallu | dondelelcaro: well this is weird.. it isnt checking the disk |
| 21:43.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah the two scripts are from me |
| 21:44.03 | PF | nice language, chief |
| 21:44.14 | tarzeau | PF: yours ain't much better |
| 21:44.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: i meant if it was your card ... |
| 21:44.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, it's my brothers' |
| 21:44.37 | PF | I didn't use profanity |
| 21:44.41 | coney | ISO-IMAGE: Checksums OK. UDF, ISO, RAW? Can't tell. Name includes 'bin' and extension is .iso. K3b says: "No ISO 9660. Can't tell type but there are many types I don't know" - Probably really a corrupt file. Was a torrent. Came through like a blizzard though. |
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| 21:45.11 | dondelelcaro | Tallu: not all filesystems obey fsck |
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| 21:45.34 | Cyis | anyone got any experience with an OSS streaming server solution? |
| 21:45.49 | Tallu | dondelelcaro: ext3.. it should |
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| 21:46.07 | weissi | no realpath() in shell? |
| 21:46.18 | anapivirtua_ | Nighty. |
| 21:46.23 | hipodilski | Hi there I have a debian router and it is configured to masquerade I'm curious because after a certain period of time interactive connections to remote hosts do drop like for example ssh what do you think could cause that? |
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| 21:46.39 | jemt | Greetz. I have just installed a Compaq KVM switch (8 ports) and suddently the resolution is 1024x768 instead of 1280x1024. I think it's because the switch dosn't support DPMS. Can someone help me get the computer/monitor to run at 1280x768 @ 60 Hz again? (TFT Monitor) |
| 21:46.41 | hipodilski | I'm running kernel 2.2.20 |
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| 21:46.56 | weissi | hipodilski, is you internet connection stable all the time?? |
| 21:47.02 | weissi | hipodilski, ooh 2.2.20? |
| 21:47.31 | hipodilski | weissi: yes i don't have the problem when using the router for ssh |
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| 21:47.36 | ma3x | why the hell do I get this mounted upon every boot: tmpfs 475M 0 475M 0% /lib/init/rw |
| 21:47.53 | hipodilski | weissi: so it's definetely the router |
| 21:48.01 | eul- | anyone running debian etch and having problems with X starting due to mouse modules not working right? |
| 21:48.06 | Groundy | hipodilski: sounds like your NAT MASQ sessions are timing out |
| 21:48.09 | Groundy | either turn on session keep alives on your client, or extend the timeout on the router |
| 21:48.13 | tarzeau | eul-: which kernel? |
| 21:48.25 | hipodilski | Groundy: how to to do that? |
| 21:48.30 | weissi | hipodilski, and which OS/version do the clients have? |
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| 21:48.36 | eul- | tarzeau: 2.6.17-2-486 |
| 21:48.54 | hipodilski | weissi: well it's one client freebsd 6.0 |
| 21:49.17 | hipodilski | but I remember I do have the same problem with windows 98 some time before |
| 21:49.21 | Groundy | hipodilski: it's been a while since I've used 2.2 tools, |
| 21:49.22 | eul- | its driving me crazy :( |
| 21:49.39 | Groundy | hipodilski: you really should upgrade to iptables (in 2.4 or 2.6) |
| 21:49.56 | Groundy | hipodilski: but the ssh keep alive option you just set in the config file |
| 21:49.57 | weissi | hipodilski, hmm, and you're really sure the inet connection is stable, because some clients interrupt the connection on a lower timeout |
| 21:50.02 | hipodilski | Groundy: surely but the machine is old and I think the 2.2.20 is the best choise for it |
| 21:50.11 | weissi | hipodilski, and an update shouldn't be bad :-) |
| 21:50.24 | Groundy | hipodilski: what specs? |
| 21:50.30 | hipodilski | weissi: I'm running Woody stable with security updates right now |
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| 21:50.46 | hipodilski | weissi: I ment Sarge not Woody |
| 21:51.04 | weissi | hipodilski, sarge? how sarge and 2.2? why not 2.4? |
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| 21:51.05 | hipodilski | just the kernel is an old one because the machine is old too |
| 21:51.15 | Digital_Pioneer | I'm looking for a file called .xinitrc. Anyone know where that's stored? |
| 21:51.17 | Groundy | hipodilski: what are the machine's specs? |
| 21:51.20 | weissi | hipodilski, how old, how much ram? |
| 21:51.23 | jemt | Greetz. How do I create a new MD5 sum for the /etc/X11/X file? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg fails, saying the file has been modified by hand (and it has) |
| 21:51.28 | hipodilski | weissi: well the machine is i586 I think it will work best with 2.2.x |
| 21:51.30 | Groundy | Digital_Pioneer: try `locate` or `where` |
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| 21:51.37 | weissi | Groundy, you're a little bit faster all the time ;-) |
| 21:51.46 | Digital_Pioneer | Groundy, Those are terminal commands? |
| 21:51.49 | weissi | hipodilski, 586 is enough for 2.4 |
| 21:51.50 | Kage` | konjou:/home/kage# updatedb |
| 21:51.51 | Kage` | warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory |
| 21:51.52 | Kage` | Kay... |
| 21:51.55 | hipodilski | Groundy: it's P166 mhz clocked to 200 |
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| 21:52.06 | hans0lo | Digital_Pioneer: .xinitrc is usually stored in your home folder |
| 21:52.11 | Kage` | That's odd... |
| 21:52.15 | weissi | hipodilski, ram? |
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| 21:52.22 | hipodilski | weissi: 128 mbytes |
| 21:52.22 | Digital_Pioneer | hans0lo, OK, thanks. I'll check. |
| 21:52.25 | Groundy | hipodilski: I'm using 2.6 on a 166mhz with 128mb ram |
| 21:52.29 | Kage` | Especially since... |
| 21:52.30 | Kage` | konjou:/var/lib/slocate# ls |
| 21:52.30 | Kage` | slocate.db |
| 21:52.32 | hans0lo | Digital_Pioneer: It is not a required for X to run, so it may not exist |
| 21:52.42 | hipodilski | Groundy: won't 2.x work better with i586 ? |
| 21:52.47 | hipodilski | 2.2.x*? |
| 21:53.08 | Groundy | hipodilski: mmm, not sure, but I was running 2.4 on a 120mhz, with only 64mb |
| 21:53.17 | tarzeau | hipodilski: you can't build 2.2 with etch |
| 21:53.22 | Groundy | hipodilski: how many processes are you running? |
| 21:53.24 | tarzeau | hipodilski: but 2.4 still is fine |
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| 21:53.35 | Digital_Pioneer | hans0lo, It's not there.... |
| 21:53.49 | hans0lo | Digital_Pioneer: Then you can make it. It's a regular shell script |
| 21:53.55 | Groundy | yea, I don't think there's been much difference between 2.4 and 2.6, upgrading the memory (64->128) helped more |
| 21:54.08 | Digital_Pioneer | hans0lo, How do I install a different desktop environment than the default? That's what i need it for. |
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| 21:54.30 | hans0lo | Digital_Pioneer: Are you using a login manager, like GDM, or KDM? |
| 21:54.46 | karsten | Groundy: the real news is that performance actually did improve rather than the other way 'round (OS upgrades almost _always_ kill perfomrance). It's a modest gain, but a gain, still. |
| 21:54.47 | Digital_Pioneer | hans0lo, KDM. |
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| 21:55.05 | hans0lo | Digital_Pioneer: There should be an option for which WM to use |
| 21:55.10 | hipodilski | Groundy: 68 procs |
| 21:55.19 | Digital_Pioneer | hans0lo, OK, thanks. :) |
| 21:55.26 | hans0lo | Digital_Pioneer: However, I'm not familiar with KDM. GDM does for sure |
| 21:55.30 | hipodilski | Groundy: it's best if I can find the solution and apply it on 2.2.x |
| 21:55.31 | Groundy | hipodilski: anything hectic like squid, apache, bind, jabberd ? |
| 21:55.43 | tziku | how can I restrict: ls command is some directories ? |
| 21:55.47 | wintix | is there a dedicated channel for dmcrypt or loop-aes? i am going to encrypt my file system but am not really sure what cypher to use. |
| 21:55.47 | Digital_Pioneer | hans0lo, I think it does. |
| 21:55.50 | tarzeau | tziku: you can't |
| 21:56.17 | Groundy | hipodilski: is 2.2 still using ipchains? |
| 21:56.22 | tarzeau | Groundy: yes |
| 21:56.22 | Kage` | Does anyone here already have a good way to do "cat /usr/share/games/fortunes/(random).u8 > /var/motd" on each logon? |
| 21:56.26 | tziku | what permision i need to give for some commands to can be used only by root...for example wget...i want to work only for root... |
| 21:56.28 | hipodilski | Groundy: yes |
| 21:56.52 | tarzeau | tziku: which command? |
| 21:56.54 | Groundy | ugh, you _really_ want to upgrade to iptables, |
| 21:57.04 | Groundy | hipodilski: how many ipchains rules do you have atm? |
| 21:57.06 | tziku | tarzeau with chmod |
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| 21:57.26 | hipodilski | 65 or so |
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| 21:57.31 | hipodilski | why? |
| 21:57.44 | hans0lo | I would like to automate backups of my FTP site. I have low bandwith so I only want to copy changed files. I looked through wget and ncftpget options and they do not seem to support it. Can someone recommend something that will? |
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| 21:57.56 | wintix | i am going to encrypt my file system but am not really sure what cypher to use. is aes 256 a good choice, or are there more secure ways to encrypt data? |
| 21:58.00 | Groundy | hipodilski: you'd gain a lot from the ipchains to iptables upgrade, |
| 21:58.02 | karsten | hans0lo: rsync |
| 21:58.05 | Kage` | Aaanyone? |
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| 21:58.16 | hans0lo | karsten: will that work with FTP? |
| 21:58.28 | Groundy | hipodilski: iptables can handle more complex rules, but you need to 'upgrade' your previous rules to work with iptables, |
| 21:58.37 | karsten | hans0lo: You'll need ssh and rsync on the FTP server. wget _does_ have the option to just fetch more recent files. |
| 21:58.39 | karsten | hans0lo: No. |
| 21:58.44 | Groundy | hipodilski: actually there's an ipchains compatability module, but then you can't use iptables |
| 21:58.45 | hipodilski | Groundy: I know |
| 21:58.48 | karsten | hans0lo: rsync does not work with ftp transport. |
| 21:58.57 | weissi | Groundy, wasnt 2.2 the only kernel series using ipchains? 2.0 used ipfwadm, no? |
| 21:59.16 | epsilon | hans0lo: rsync, don't forget -t option |
| 21:59.19 | karsten | weissi: Sounds about right |
| 21:59.20 | Kage` | nvz |
| 21:59.23 | Groundy | I don't think I ever used a 2.0 kernel for a firewall |
| 21:59.34 | hipodilski | Groundy: I just need to find a fix for the current situation without upgrading the kernel if it is possible can you give me a hint? |
| 21:59.42 | hans0lo | karsten: then Rsync will not work :/ I do not have control over the server. It's at one of those mega host sites |
| 21:59.54 | Groundy | hipodilski: I already have - set keepalives in your ssh config file on the client |
| 21:59.55 | karsten | hans0lo: Erm. lftp I think, not wget. |
| 21:59.58 | weissi | hans0lo, use lftp :-) |
| 22:00.01 | elik | Hi, I have a Thinkpad R51 with a Intel 2200 bg wireless card... I<m trying to get sound to word under Etch with a 2.6.17 kernell |
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| 22:00.12 | hans0lo | karsten: ok, let me nab that pkg. thanks! |
| 22:00.19 | epsilon | hans0lo: do you have ftp access? |
| 22:00.26 | weissi | hans0lo, (we had that 20min ago, but the way 'round (reverse mirror)) |
| 22:00.26 | karsten | hans0lo: And bitch to your provider |
| 22:00.34 | karsten | epsilon: apparently *only* FTP access. |
| 22:00.40 | epsilon | hans0lo: then use ftp |
| 22:00.50 | karsten | epsilon: He wants an efficient transfer. |
| 22:00.57 | weissi | _MANY_ providers only provide ftp :-(( |
| 22:01.08 | epsilon | and http :) |
| 22:01.09 | karsten | weissi: You're kidding me! |
| 22:01.09 | hans0lo | epsilon: Yeah, what karsten said :) |
| 22:01.09 | petemc | ftp isnt efficient? |
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| 22:01.20 | karsten | petemc: not WRT rsync |
| 22:01.27 | Quiznos | who watches WYOU news? |
| 22:01.28 | hipodilski | Groundy: what can I do on the router? |
| 22:01.34 | hans0lo | petemc: no, but it is my only option |
| 22:01.40 | abrotman | Quiznos: wrong channel ? |
| 22:01.53 | Quiznos | abrotman huh? |
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| 22:02.07 | abrotman | Quiznos: i'm from the area though |
| 22:02.10 | karsten | hans0lo: You pushing or pulling? |
| 22:02.27 | Quiznos | abrotman where now? |
| 22:02.37 | hans0lo | karsten: pulling from the ftp (on the web server) |
| 22:03.01 | karsten | hans0lo: lftp: --mirror --only-newer |
| 22:03.02 | Groundy | hipodilski: it might be ipchains -M ? |
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| 22:03.02 | abrotman | Quiznos: little bit farther south :) |
| 22:03.02 | karsten | hans0lo: IMO you're better off to maintain a local staging server and push stuff out. |
| 22:03.07 | Quiznos | abrotman kk |
| 22:03.08 | hans0lo | karsten: sweet, thanks! |
| 22:03.10 | karsten | hans0lo: FWIW. |
| 22:03.12 | abrotman | Quiznos: hwy? |
| 22:03.28 | Quiznos | lookin for someone to verify something |
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| 22:03.38 | abrotman | oh |
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| 22:04.23 | jemt | Can someone help me get my monitor to run at 1280x1024 @ 60Hz ? (TFT Monitor connected to a Compaq 8 Ports KVM switch) ? |
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| 22:04.31 | lunaphyte | mmmm, quiznos. |
| 22:04.58 | weissi | jemt, wheres the problem try `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-(xfree86|xorg)` |
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| 22:05.21 | Groundy | hipodilski: look here: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/ipchains.8.html |
| 22:05.26 | abrotman | Quiznos: verify what? |
| 22:05.32 | Groundy | hipodilski: it looks like you want the -S setting |
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| 22:05.38 | karsten | jemt: ... and check your monitor / laptop specs for max allowable res. |
| 22:05.39 | jemt | weissi: The program says I have modified the file by hand (which is true). As far as I remember, I need to create a new MD5 checksum for the file /etc/X11/X - I just don't know how |
| 22:05.46 | Quiznos | abrotman oh something local |
| 22:05.52 | Quiznos | it's passed |
| 22:05.52 | jemt | karsten: I know my hardware's specs perfectly well :) |
| 22:05.57 | weissi | dpkg reconfigure x |
| 22:05.57 | dpkg | from memory, reconfigure x is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and answer the questions. If you don't know what hardware you have, you can use discover, read-edid and mdetect hardware detecting tools to help you. If you don't know how they work, read their manpages "man <program>". |
| 22:05.59 | abrotman | it passed ? |
| 22:05.59 | hipodilski | Groundy: thanks a lot for the link! |
| 22:06.01 | Kage` | Someone here mind helping me write a quick shell script for a fortunes thing in my motd? |
| 22:06.09 | karsten | jemt: what weissi said |
| 22:06.21 | hipodilski | Groundy: and all the help buddy |
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| 22:06.56 | abrotman | ChaosR: you're root again |
| 22:07.05 | pickcoder | Quiznos: where's local? |
| 22:07.12 | jemt | karsten & weissi: I don't need programs to solve this issue. It worked fine without the KVM switch. Maybe the resolution depends on a specific frequency range? (the switch dosn't support DPMS) |
| 22:07.29 | weissi | jemt: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 22:07.42 | weissi | jemt: so, then sorry |
| 22:07.43 | karsten | jemt: Read your KVM manual. |
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| 22:08.01 | Quiznos | pickcoder WYOU |
| 22:08.16 | jemt | karsten: I didn't get a manual along with it (it was used) |
| 22:08.18 | karsten | jemt: Best I can suggest is trying resolutions until you find one that works. Personally I hate KVMs and prefer using vnc or similar for remote access. |
| 22:08.22 | karsten | jemt: STFW. |
| 22:08.31 | karsten | !tell jemt about STFW |
| 22:08.49 | weissi | jemt: Option "DPMS" Off ?? |
| 22:08.50 | abrotman | pickcoder: NE PA |
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| 22:09.07 | pickcoder | oh.. n/m |
| 22:09.12 | jemt | karsten: Please don't give me that crap. There is NO info on the switch. It is a completely white box with NO other info but "Compaq"... |
| 22:09.19 | abrotman | pickcoder: i'm about as local to that as Quiznos is going to get |
| 22:09.29 | pickcoder | NC here heh |
| 22:09.33 | karsten | jemt: I'm sorry, my ESP powers are on vacation this week. |
| 22:09.35 | jemt | weissi: Tryed that. Still running 1024x768, even though I force 1280x1024 as the ONLY resolution |
| 22:09.54 | mortal5 | hey guys, i've selected some packages to be removed, but now, I'd like to clear my selection, how do I do that in aptitude? |
| 22:09.59 | karsten | jemt: You're in a much better position to sort this than we are. Good luck. Berating me probably _won't_ result in an improved response. |
| 22:10.07 | karsten | mortal5: Just quit. |
| 22:10.21 | mortal5 | karsten, aptitude saves them |
| 22:10.29 | karsten | mortal5: There's also a preview screen prior to final commit, you can undo the selections there. |
| 22:10.30 | weissi | jemt: hmm, and xserver log has nothing special? |
| 22:10.39 | karsten | mortal5: '+' to specify "install". |
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| 22:10.49 | IoX | Blender3d is unable to run for me, and Im assuming that no other opengl is able to either because it says there is a problem with my glx. I checked and I do have glx on in my xserver-xfree86 config, but Im using the vesa drivers. The problem is that I installed the latest nvidia drivers, and when I boot using nvidia drivers, the screen becomes extremely dim, gray and unreadable |
| 22:10.55 | mortal5 | isn't there a key to forget all selections? |
| 22:11.03 | mortal5 | like a clear key or something? |
| 22:11.06 | jemt | weissi: Hm, nope. What does -phigh do ? |
| 22:11.21 | IoX | however in the nvidia one I am able to open blender |
| 22:11.39 | karsten | mortal5: '?' gives you all keyboard shortcuts. Not that I'm aware. |
| 22:11.39 | IoX | so I dont exactly know how to fix this, and it would be great if someone could give me a hand in fixing this |
| 22:11.50 | Quiznos | thanks all, later |
| 22:12.01 | abrotman | karsten: can you /j #flood to help that chaosr guy if he tries to irc as root again ? |
| 22:12.08 | karsten | abrotman: No. |
| 22:12.11 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:12.15 | abrotman | slacker! |
| 22:12.19 | karsten | abrotman: Taking off shortly. |
| 22:12.24 | abrotman | me too! |
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| 22:12.25 | weissi | jemt: overwrites the xorg.conf even if you edited it by hand (head xorg.conf) |
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| 22:12.39 | coney | Bye! |
| 22:12.41 | karsten | mortal5: ctrl-U |
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| 22:12.46 | karsten | mortal5: Is undo. |
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| 22:13.19 | IoX | weissi: is karsten saying that you'd be able to help me? |
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| 22:13.41 | karsten | IoX: No. I just offered you a hand. From someone else. |
| 22:13.55 | IoX | karsten: hehe |
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| 22:14.28 | weissi | karsten/IoX: ?? |
| 22:14.42 | weissi | IoX: who are you? |
| 22:15.28 | IoX | weissi: Im just looking for some help getting glx/nvidia drivers to work on my linuxw |
| 22:15.32 | jemt | weissi: It still dosn't work. The -phigh made no difference |
| 22:15.49 | weissi | jemt: but it did overwrite the config |
| 22:16.06 | weissi | !nvidia one liner |
| 22:16.07 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 22:16.31 | anarcat_ | yeeha |
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| 22:17.46 | jemt | weissi: But the program never showed up. All I got was the error message saying the file was customized manually |
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| 22:18.07 | ruben | Hi, I have got two public ip's, I have postfix running an it works fine, I want to use a postfix mx backup for my other ip, what is the way to get a mail backup? only copying all postfix config and use that ip? or I need a special config? |
| 22:18.11 | ruben | thanks in advance |
| 22:18.22 | pickcoder | jemt: did you reset your KVM? |
| 22:18.36 | abrotman | ruben: probably ask #postfix on how to get started |
| 22:18.36 | jemt | pickcoder: Nope - should I do that? And when ? |
| 22:19.02 | IoX | thanks weissi |
| 22:19.05 | IoX | I'll give that another try |
| 22:19.09 | pickcoder | jemt: depends on the KVM. Some require a reset to pick up the resolution and input feeds |
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| 22:19.31 | vlt | Hello. I have a WLAN AP and a hardware DSL router. Now I want to install a linux router "between" them just to do some netfiltering and traffic shaping. I'm gonna use an old 200MHz/32MB Pentium PC with an RTL NIC and a 128 MB CF card for booting. What is the easiest way to install a base linux (debian?) system on it? |
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| 22:20.10 | abrotman | !d-i vlt |
| 22:20.11 | dpkg | vlt, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:20.19 | abrotman | !tell vlt about ig |
| 22:20.35 | jemt | pickcoder: The weird thing is that I don't even get the blank display - I simply can't choose 1280x768 anymore. X just uses 1024x768 even though I havn't specified anything but 1280x1024 in the xorg.conf file |
| 22:21.13 | pickcoder | jemt: does it work without the KVM? |
| 22:21.21 | weissi | jemt: then try "cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom; md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
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| 22:22.05 | weissi | jemt: I'm running sid and there it's enough to call it with -phigh (priority = high) |
| 22:22.08 | jemt | pickcoder: Yeps, perfectly without the KVM |
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| 22:22.25 | jemt | weissi: That was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks. Giving it a try |
| 22:22.37 | jemt | weissi: Oh |
| 22:22.42 | jemt | weissi: Not here |
| 22:23.04 | jemt | weissi: I have installed everything from testing repositories - except the kernel (it's from Unstable) |
| 22:23.31 | weissi | jemt: what do you have, xorg org xfree86? |
| 22:23.38 | slow_query | Anyone know of a HOWTO for getting Sarge to recognize more than 4 gig of ram? My hosting company's been taking our main server offline over and over again throughout the day, complaining that they're successfully recompiling the kernel, but it keeps "encountering errors" |
| 22:24.36 | slow_query | They've taken the box offline 4 times today. Every time it's the same story. |
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| 22:25.10 | seb- | help! i'm installing an app that expects rpm to be found.....do i have a chance for debian? |
| 22:25.15 | jemt | weissi: xorg :) |
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| 22:25.29 | slow_query | Intel 32 based system with 2 pentium 4's, if that helps at all :p |
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| 22:25.39 | lurker99 | !alien |
| 22:25.39 | dpkg | methinks alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 22:25.42 | smax | where can i download glib-config ? |
| 22:25.48 | weissi | jemt, so it's probably /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum |
| 22:25.49 | smax | google is not directing me |
| 22:25.54 | smax | neither is apt |
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| 22:27.03 | pickcoder | slow_query: what kernel version is it |
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| 22:27.28 | slow_query | I'll take anything that works with sarge :p |
| 22:27.53 | jemt | weissi: Grr. It STILL dosn't work, even though I create the new MD5 checksum |
| 22:28.00 | pickcoder | slow_query: which kernel are they compiling, though? |
| 22:28.06 | jemt | weissi: dpkg-reconfigure says the file has been modified |
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| 22:28.33 | slow_query | They haven't said. We currently have kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp. |
| 22:28.51 | weissi | jemt, and you created md5sum of /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?? |
| 22:28.52 | smax | why is it that libsmtp requires glib-config but glib-config is now where to be found ? |
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| 22:29.19 | jemt | weissi: Yep: md5sum /etx/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum |
| 22:29.28 | dubd | Hi. I need something like disk quotas but instead of per-user, I need it per-directory. There is a public directory to which everyone can write and read. I want to limit the size of that directory. Is it possible? |
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| 22:31.56 | weissi | jemt, what is exactly the error msg? |
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| 22:32.19 | smax | is there a web page where i can type in a package name and it can provide me a download ? |
| 22:32.24 | jemt | weissi: Sec |
| 22:32.27 | hipodilski | Groundy: thanks a work it works now |
| 22:32.35 | tarzeau | smax: packages.debian.org ? |
| 22:32.41 | smax | ahh thanx |
| 22:33.05 | jemt | xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etx/X11/X; file has been customized |
| 22:33.10 | jemt | weissi: There |
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| 22:34.47 | psycose | hi all, i try to install a Debian Sarge 3.1r3 / Sparc on a Sun blade 150 using cdrom this morning during the install process, after taking keyboard layer, and scanning the cdrom, it says it can't mount the cdrom ... and i can't go further ... the Sun OBP is 4.6 |
| 22:34.48 | smax | wtf, this is so sad. glib-config is not found in http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages why would libsmtp require a non existing package ? |
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| 22:35.02 | weissi | jemt: ok, but /etc/X11/X != /etc/X11/xorg.conf, no? |
| 22:35.20 | smax | is there a library, that interfaces to smtp ? |
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| 22:35.42 | staniel|work | hello |
| 22:36.11 | psycose | i also try booting with ide=nodma but got the same problem... |
| 22:36.18 | jemt | weissi: Correct. I also created a new MD5 CheckSum for the X file |
| 22:36.32 | weissi | jemt: google says the fix is: dexconf; rm /etc/X11/X; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:36.36 | jemt | weissi: md5sum /etx/x11/X > /var/lib/x11/X |
| 22:36.42 | jemt | weissi: md5sum /etx/x11/X > /var/lib/x11/X.md5sum |
| 22:36.59 | jemt | weissi: Ok, giving it a try :) |
| 22:37.03 | pickcoder | slow_query: does it report memory correctly? |
| 22:37.23 | aimtrainer | can someone please tell me hot to mount an smb share with username and password? Im having trouble understanding the manual |
| 22:37.24 | slow_query | No, the system currently reports about 4 gig of memory. |
| 22:37.24 | staniel|work | how do I get fonts to work with the flash plugin? |
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| 22:38.05 | jemt | weissi: That actually worked! But the wizard didn't ask me about resolutions :-/ |
| 22:38.07 | CaptainNuss | greetings. is there any decent howto on how to get an intel ipw3945 wlan adapter to work on debian? |
| 22:38.11 | slow_query | I'm getting the feeling that there's no kernel image for intel32 w/PAE |
| 22:38.35 | pipeline | slow_query: 686-hugemem |
| 22:38.39 | slow_query | Ah |
| 22:38.39 | weissi | aimtrainer, mount //host/share /mnt/point -o username=USER,password=PASS |
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| 22:38.46 | slow_query | I'll look into that, thanks |
| 22:38.47 | pipeline | slow_query: you have bigmem |
| 22:38.47 | tarzeau | pipeline: i think there are the smp ones |
| 22:38.53 | tarzeau | pipeline: we build them ourself |
| 22:39.01 | shadow98 | is there a way to re-run the config for apt..so you can choose new sources from the list |
| 22:39.12 | slow_query | yeah, this box is smp + bigmem :\ |
| 22:39.15 | pipeline | slow_query: Normal => 896M, bigmem => just under 4G, hugemem => whatever the maximum is under PAE. 36G, 64G? |
| 22:39.20 | pipeline | tarzeau: ? |
| 22:39.24 | tarzeau | slow_query: lshw/hwinfo can tell you the real memory |
| 22:39.30 | aimtrainer | weissi thanks |
| 22:39.32 | tarzeau | pipeline: highmem for 4+ gb memory (64gb) |
| 22:39.51 | tarzeau | pipeline: it's 64 with highmem |
| 22:40.05 | tarzeau | pipeline: and both, 4gb/64gb are called highmem in the linux kernel configuration |
| 22:40.58 | jemt | weissi: Maybe I should tell you that it's a laptop and the build-in monitor only supports 1024x768 - but it worked with the laptop monitor turned off before I connected the KVM switch. It's like the laptop is no longer aware of the monitor being capable of a higher resolution (which would turn off the laptop monitor) |
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| 22:41.41 | elik | Hi, anyone know where firware should be in Etch^ |
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| 22:42.14 | pickcoder | just reading a thread about someone having performance issues with config_highmem |
| 22:42.25 | azeem | elik: /lib/firmware |
| 22:42.27 | azeem | I think |
| 22:42.33 | pickcoder | 2,6.7, though |
| 22:42.36 | weissi | jemt: and what about now changing the 1024x768 entries manually in the config?? |
| 22:42.53 | elik | azeem, I see this directory but nothing in it |
| 22:42.57 | weissi | jemt: just replace all of them by 1280x1024 or what you want |
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| 22:43.04 | jemt | weissi: Didn't work. 1280x1024 is now the only resolution in the file |
| 22:43.05 | stew | elik: that is definately where you should be putting firmware |
| 22:43.17 | azeem | elik: then you don't have any firmware |
| 22:43.20 | elik | thx stew |
| 22:43.25 | jemt | weissi: Is it possible to set the VGA port to Primary somehow ? |
| 22:43.36 | weissi | jemt: it is NOW the only resolution? |
| 22:43.43 | weissi | jemt: what graphic card? |
| 22:43.46 | jemt | weissi: Yes, I removed all the other resolutions |
| 22:43.52 | weissi | jemt, K |
| 22:43.53 | shadow98 | is there a way to re-run the config for apt..so you can choose new sources from the list |
| 22:43.54 | jemt | weissi: ATI M6 (Mobility) |
| 22:44.06 | pickcoder | jemt: you don't, by chance, have a desktop manager running? |
| 22:44.12 | azeem | shadow98: try apt-setup |
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| 22:44.20 | smax | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=galloca.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 why would libsmtp require a fictional package |
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| 22:44.27 | jemt | pickcoder: I'm using GDM, Gnome |
| 22:44.35 | pickcoder | jemt: did you kill GDM to make it reload? |
| 22:44.40 | jemt | pickcoder: yes :) |
| 22:44.41 | pickcoder | ok |
| 22:44.42 | jemt | killall gdm |
| 22:44.47 | azeem | smax: fictional? |
| 22:45.05 | jemt | pickcoder: But thanks. People tend to forget that :) |
| 22:45.10 | elik | azeem, what is the meaning of firmware in /lib/firmware... |
| 22:45.10 | smax | yes there is obviously no such program called glib-config |
| 22:45.16 | elik | azeem, What I know of firmare is something material... |
| 22:45.25 | weissi | jemt, which driver? |
| 22:45.28 | smax | yet running make on libsmtp says that it needs it |
| 22:45.34 | jemt | weissi: The 'ati' module |
| 22:45.42 | aimtrainer | weissi in the dir I mounted the smb share (a network disk) there are just 2 files with strange names |
| 22:45.53 | azeem | smax: that url searches for galloca.h... |
| 22:46.05 | jemt | weissi: There is a section in the xorg.conf file called "ServerLayout" with an option called "screen". It's value is "Default screen". Could it have something to do with that ? |
| 22:46.06 | weissi | aimtrainer, and how many file should be there? |
| 22:46.07 | smax | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=glib-config&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 22:46.11 | smax | there |
| 22:46.11 | aimtrainer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.20 | aimtrainer | there should be 2 folders weissi |
| 22:46.23 | weissi | jemt, it could, a sec |
| 22:46.39 | azeem | smax: you're searching for a packages there, not for a file |
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| 22:46.45 | azeem | smax: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?version=stable&arch=i386&case=insensitive&word=glib-config&searchmode=searchfiles |
| 22:46.55 | weissi | aimtrainer, which windows version (and which locale)? |
| 22:46.57 | jemt | weissi: Thanks |
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| 22:47.07 | azeem | elik: firmware is software which is getting uploaded to devices during their initialisation |
| 22:47.16 | aimtrainer | weissi its not windows its an external network harddrive |
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| 22:47.22 | smax | azeem: how did you find that ! |
| 22:47.38 | azeem | smax: eh, I searched for it |
| 22:47.41 | azeem | see my earlier comment |
| 22:47.45 | smax | under what criteria |
| 22:48.02 | smax | i mean i cant find a "search by file name" |
| 22:48.02 | azeem | I searched which package contains the file `glib-config' |
| 22:48.13 | azeem | smax: it's at packages.debian.org, at the bottom |
| 22:48.15 | stew | smax: go to packages.debian.org then scrool down to "Search the contents of packages". also, /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 22:48.16 | smax | oh for package contents |
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| 22:48.32 | smax | ok thanx guys |
| 22:48.38 | weissi | jemt, do you have the ati driver from ati (closed source)? |
| 22:48.53 | weissi | aimtrainer, what? external network harddrive via smb? |
| 22:48.54 | slow_query | Question: if highmem was working right, would /proc/meminfo show the true amount of ram in the system? hwinfo correctly shows three 2-gig sticks |
| 22:49.09 | aimtrainer | weissi yap |
| 22:49.18 | stew | slow_query: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:49.18 | slow_query | (while /proc/meminfo shows 3400 meg) |
| 22:49.21 | weissi | aimtrainer, with network connection? |
| 22:49.27 | pickcoder | slow_query: post the BIOS E820 section of dmesg in a pastebin |
| 22:49.28 | slow_query | 2.6.8-3-686-smp |
| 22:49.34 | pickcoder | slow_query: as well as cat /proc/mtrr |
| 22:49.37 | jemt | weissi: Nope. But it worked without the KVM switch, so how can that solve the problem ? |
| 22:49.42 | aimtrainer | yea with lan connection via a router weissi |
| 22:50.06 | aimtrainer | its actually just like a normal smb share |
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| 22:50.17 | stew | slow_query: that kernel should support up to 4 gigs of memory, if you have 6 gigs, you cannot use all of it without compiling a custom kernel that has the HIGHMEM64G option (instead of the HIGHMEM4G option) |
| 22:50.37 | elik | azeem, so, it flashes every time computer start??? |
| 22:50.46 | eul- | anyone know why xchat inserts red lines randomly? |
| 22:50.53 | woodgrain | I want to netinst testing, but can't find a netinst iso ...? |
| 22:50.55 | azeem | elik: not quite "flashes" |
| 22:51.03 | anarcat_ | eul-: because you focus out of the window |
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| 22:51.06 | azeem | elik: it's pretty harmless |
| 22:51.13 | azeem | sort of |
| 22:51.18 | stew | elik: more like, it loads some registers and memory with some pre-definied state |
| 22:51.19 | slow_query | stew: Thanks, that pretty much sums it up then |
| 22:51.21 | weissi | aimtrainer, sudo smbmount //host/share /mnt/ -o codepage=utf8 ?? |
| 22:51.23 | eul- | anarcat_ ahh |
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| 22:51.31 | grendal_prime | anyone know of a way to output html to xls ? |
| 22:51.34 | weissi | aimtrainer, sudo smbmount //host/share /mnt/ -o codepage=utf8,username=user,password=pass ?? |
| 22:51.43 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: xls? |
| 22:51.45 | aimtrainer | trying weissi |
| 22:51.48 | aimtrainer | thanks |
| 22:52.10 | grendal_prime | pickcoder, excell..or well ya excell |
| 22:52.20 | stew | grendal_prime: you can just <table><tr><td>foo</td><td>bar</td></tr></table> for instance and load it as an .xls |
| 22:52.20 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: change the file extension |
| 22:52.29 | eul- | mrm xchat is just horrible |
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| 22:52.35 | grendal_prime | no shit? |
| 22:53.31 | pickcoder | The XLS format is a copyrighted binary format that was never released to the public. |
| 22:53.34 | weissi | jemt: ah ok, ati_drv ? |
| 22:53.49 | pickcoder | Thus the new Office XML formats |
| 22:54.38 | aimtrainer | weissi I again have files with names consisting of strange letters. But this time 3 |
| 22:55.01 | weissi | aimtrainer, hmm, then I have no idea, sorry! |
| 22:55.06 | weissi | aimtrainer, search google |
| 22:55.16 | aimtrainer | ok thanks for your time! |
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| 22:55.45 | weissi | jemt, do you have a can't you press e.g. Fn+F7 to switch from LCD to CRT ? |
| 22:56.28 | weissi | jemt, I could add a second monitor (which different things on) screen adding a xorg Device, just like I had 2 graphic cards) |
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| 22:56.56 | dreamind | hi folks |
| 22:57.07 | dreamind | can anybody help me with the nvidia-glx driver from debian experimental? |
| 22:57.13 | weissi | jemt, please paste lspci to #flood |
| 22:57.18 | jemt | weissi: Sec |
| 22:57.45 | dreamind | when I install this package, and a locally build kernel module for 2.6.18, my xserver will no longer start, it simply hangs there in state D |
| 22:57.48 | k1piee | dunno |
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| 22:59.59 | Kage` | :O |
| 23:00.02 | Kage` | (06:57:57P) * debhelper sets mode: +l 666 |
| 23:00.04 | Kage` | Oh snap |
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| 23:00.19 | pickcoder | heh |
| 23:00.35 | jemt | weissi: I just installed the ATI driver, but I now haft to find out how 'aticonfig' works. The driver came with a very nice installer, now I haft to use hours to figure out 'aticonfig'. Dosn't make sense. But give me a sec, I'll fix a paste for you |
| 23:01.59 | weissi | jemt, please paste the output of lspci to #flood |
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| 23:03.00 | psycose | Given a package name how can i know on which sarge install cdrom the package is localized ... thanks |
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| 23:03.55 | Yagi | booh |
| 23:04.09 | wilcox | booh? |
| 23:04.35 | jemt | weissi: I can't as I'm in a console |
| 23:04.45 | jemt | weissi: I have uploaded a text file - would that work ? |
| 23:05.03 | Yagi | did you scare? |
| 23:05.04 | jemt | weissi: I just did a 'lspci > lspci.txt' and uploaded the file at http://powerzone.dk/tmp/lspci.txt |
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| 23:06.35 | benjamindees | what's the best open source software for automated document preparation? |
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| 23:07.54 | azeem | ZorDz: please turn off the public away |
| 23:09.26 | pickcoder | benjamindees: that's a huge question. Can you be more specific? |
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| 23:09.48 | weissi | jemt, ok, i'll look if you may use dual head... |
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| 23:10.03 | ChrisW | drwxrwxr-t - what does t mean? |
| 23:10.10 | jemt | weissi: That should be supported |
| 23:10.34 | jemt | weissi: What are we trying to do now ? Making both monitors run at different resolutions ? |
| 23:10.47 | benjamindees | pickcoder, I want to end up with a printed manual, that is generated dynamically from a hundred separate components |
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| 23:11.28 | weissi | jemt, yep, or do you have that eg. Fn+F7 key to switch the displays? |
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| 23:12.24 | grendal_prime | benjamindees, just make a flash animation out of it with wink..hahahaha |
| 23:12.26 | jemt | weissi: Great. Actually I have wanted to get that to work for months :) |
| 23:12.31 | pickcoder | benjamindees: you need to combine tools to make a solution. Look at your input formats and decide which tools work best together to create your output format. |
| 23:12.31 | jemt | weissi: Yes I have |
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| 23:12.43 | jemt | weissi: It's an IBM Thinkpad X31 (if that means anything to you :) |
| 23:13.06 | pickcoder | benjamindees: I ust HTML templates, html2ps, and ghostscript to produce lots of automated documentation |
| 23:13.10 | pickcoder | s/ust/use |
| 23:13.19 | grendal_prime | benjamindees, and i have not seen a program yet that will not output to pdf |
| 23:13.32 | benjamindees | my input format is a person typing on a keyboard |
| 23:13.53 | grendal_prime | open office then |
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| 23:14.15 | grendal_prime | unless you want it in html then i would sujject nuvu |
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| 23:14.31 | weissi | jemt: http://home.arcor.de/scorpidnb/configs/XF86Config-4 is a very good example |
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| 23:14.44 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 23:15.04 | weissi | jemt: look at the 2 device sections --> virtually 2 graphic cards |
| 23:15.13 | jemt | weissi: Thanks, checking |
| 23:15.58 | benjamindees | grendal_prime, is openoffice actually capable of doing this without making it look retarded? |
| 23:15.58 | jemt | weissi: Ok, will do :) |
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| 23:16.53 | weissi | jemt: then the 2 monitors, important: set hsync 28-71 and vertrefresh 43-60 for the LCD |
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| 23:17.29 | jemt | weissi: Could I use DPMS instead ? |
| 23:17.32 | weissi | jemt, then you may configure the 2 screens, one up to 1024x768 and the other up to 1280x1024 |
| 23:17.39 | jemt | Great |
| 23:17.47 | weissi | jemt, lets setup dpms it the rest works ;-) |
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| 23:18.09 | jemt | weissi: Also, it seems he/she uses the ordinary 'ati' driver / module. Can I do that too ? |
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| 23:18.14 | jemt | weissi: Ok |
| 23:18.24 | weissi | jemt, and the most important the ServerLayout section |
| 23:18.39 | weissi | jemt, always use the opensource driver |
| 23:19.03 | jemt | weissi: Great :) |
| 23:19.03 | weissi | jemt, and yes, the ati one is that one from xorg-->OSS |
| 23:19.06 | acidbear | hi, anyone has used LAMS 2.0 from cvs |
| 23:19.11 | acidbear | ? |
| 23:19.24 | jemt | weissi: I really hope this is working. Would be great. Just give me some minutes to setup my own xorg.conf file :) |
| 23:19.31 | EdLin | !polls |
| 23:19.31 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 23:20.05 | weissi | jemt, don't hurry up too much, I'll be smoking 3mins :-) |
| 23:20.14 | jemt | weissi: Heh, great .) |
| 23:20.15 | jemt | :) |
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| 23:22.06 | vlt | Hello. I want to install Debian on a machine with only a CF card on primary IDE connected. I downloaded initrd.gz and vmlinuz from the .../hd-media/2.6/ directory and copied both to /boot on an ext2 partition (hda1), Then I installed grub to the MBR and pointed it to both vmlinuz and initrd.gz. The kernel boots but panics with "unable to mount root fs to hda1" or something like that. What did I do wrong here? |
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| 23:23.13 | acidbear | im try to download the code of LAMS 2.0 from cvs, but the command line is wrong (i dont know what is the correct line), i have usefull information but i dont know how download the code |
| 23:23.33 | acidbear | the command im try |
| 23:23.39 | acidbear | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@lamscvs.melcoe.mq.edu.au:/usr/local/cvsroot |
| 23:23.39 | weissi | jemt, back :-) |
| 23:23.47 | acidbear | but dont work |
| 23:23.52 | acidbear | the information is |
| 23:24.07 | acidbear | The LAMS code is available for viewing via the web at http://lamscvs.melcoe.mq.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/. |
| 23:24.07 | acidbear | Configure your cvs client as follows: |
| 23:24.07 | acidbear | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.07 | acidbear | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.07 | acidbear | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:24.36 | weissi | !pat |
| 23:24.36 | dpkg | pat replaces me sometimes when I am offline (usually when xk has my guts open, weissi!). POST MAN PAT |
| 23:24.39 | weissi | !paste |
| 23:24.40 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 23:25.19 | magyar | what does this mean "FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-1-amd64/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted" ?? |
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| 23:27.43 | azeem | ZorDz: turn that off, please |
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| 23:30.01 | eeyore- | magyar: you're not root? |
| 23:30.08 | jemt | weissi: Roger. Still working on the file :) |
| 23:30.29 | magyar | eeyore-: root@debian:~# modprobe fglrx |
| 23:30.49 | eeyore- | magyar: check output of "dmesg", then. |
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| 23:31.31 | magyar | [fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 922 MBytes. [fglrx:firegl_init_module] *ERROR* firegl_stub_register failed |
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| 23:35.07 | MatBoy | Is google running on Debian ? |
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| 23:38.36 | gravity | MatBoy: They have their own internal distro. Apparently their desktops use an ubuntu derivative though, so they are in a sense |
| 23:39.11 | MatBoy | gravity, I also thought they had, but it seems that they give a lot of seminars about Debian, packagemanagement |
| 23:39.13 | MatBoy | so on |
| 23:39.15 | dvs | Googlux? |
| 23:39.35 | sussudio | azeem: he's not turning off the auto-away. |
| 23:40.14 | gravity | MatBoy: Maybe for gubuntu then, or if they have a custom debian derivative (or debian derivative derivative like gubuntu) for their servers |
| 23:40.24 | DaBlade | Goobuntu >.< |
| 23:40.32 | MatBoy | gravity, very good possible |
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| 23:40.42 | dvs | heh |
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| 23:41.00 | sussudio | autorejoin ftl. |
| 23:41.24 | DaBlade | sussudio: Why? |
| 23:41.33 | DaBlade | sussudio: I wish Konversation had it, it would spare me a lot of annoyance. |
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| 23:41.49 | sussudio | DaBlade: you get kicked for a reason |
| 23:42.13 | DaBlade | sussudio: Yeah, but what about connection losses? |
| 23:42.21 | DaBlade | sussudio: Or other problems? |
| 23:42.32 | sussudio | none of those is an "on kick rejoin" |
| 23:42.41 | DaBlade | Right now I only auto-rejoin when my connection drops because of a regex |
| 23:42.44 | jemt | weissi: Finally done :) |
| 23:42.49 | DaBlade | sussudio: I guess... |
| 23:42.50 | jemt | weissi: I'll restart X now |
| 23:43.09 | weissi | jemt, wish you luck :-) |
| 23:43.42 | jemt | weissi: Bot monitors are still running at 1024x768 :-/ |
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| 23:43.54 | weissi | jemt, hmm, shit |
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| 23:44.14 | weissi | jemt, but the screens are no more clones, no? |
| 23:44.33 | jemt | weissi: Still clones |
| 23:44.43 | hans0lo | What's some simple software for creating video DVD's? I've got an AVI I'd like to view in my DVD player. |
| 23:44.53 | jemt | weissi: I modified the xorg.conf file, killed GDM and started it again. That's all |
| 23:44.59 | pipeline | hans0lo: There's no simple way to do that. |
| 23:45.15 | jemt | weissi: My file is available at http://powerzone.dk/tmp/xorg.conf if you want to look it over |
| 23:45.27 | hans0lo | pipeline: ok, what's the hard way, then? haha |
| 23:45.32 | pipeline | hans0lo: If you already have the DVD-compatible MPEG2 video, it's quite easy. But converting arbitrary crap-in-an-avi-container to DVD-compatible MPEG2 is incredibly painful. |
| 23:45.59 | hans0lo | pipeline: ok, I can convert it no prob |
| 23:46.02 | pipeline | hans0lo: The easiest way is the "transcode" utility, which bolts together about fifty pieces of software in order to *VERY SLOWLY* produce MPEG2 that looks like shit. |
| 23:46.16 | pipeline | hans0lo: You're really better off finding a windows or macintosh machine to do the conversion part :P |
| 23:46.48 | pipeline | hans0lo: After that, it's just a matter of installing dvd+rw-tools and k3b :) |
| 23:46.55 | hans0lo | pipeline: ok, once I have my mpeg2, what would oyu recommend to do the DVD authoring? |
| 23:47.04 | petemc | dvd styler works too |
| 23:47.07 | hans0lo | k3b, ok |
| 23:47.48 | pipeline | hans0lo: I just told you |
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| 23:48.08 | hans0lo | pipeline: yes, you did. thanks ;) |
| 23:48.24 | azeem | ZorDz: you've been silenced until you turn off that auto-away script. Please contact me |
| 23:48.28 | weissi | jemt, first: remove these "1400x1050" and just set them up correctly, on the LCD: you lcd resolution (probably 1024x768) on the crt: 1280x1024 only! then do `startx -- +xinerama` |
| 23:48.56 | jemt | weissi: I forgot the "LeftOf" option in the server layout - I just added it (refresh the file) |
| 23:49.13 | jemt | weissi: Ok, trying |
| 23:49.16 | weissi | jemt, and then share your /var/log/Xorg.?.log files on your webserver please |
| 23:49.23 | jemt | weissi: Okay :) |
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| 23:51.12 | jemt | weissi: http://powerzone.dk/tmp/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:51.35 | weissi | jemt, and try 16 bits depth instead of 24 |
| 23:52.09 | jemt | weissi: Will do, sec |
| 23:53.19 | jemt | weissi: I just corrected some resolutions errors in the config file. Let me just update the files on the web server too |
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| 23:53.29 | weissi | jemt: these lines are important in log!! (WW) RADEON(0): Mode 1280x1024 is out of range. \n (WW) RADEON(0): Valid modes must be between 320x200-1024x768 |
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| 23:55.01 | jemt | weissi: Both the xorg.conf file and the log file is now updated |
| 23:55.25 | jemt | weissi: That's because I specified a wrong resolution before. I think I corrected that now |
| 23:56.28 | jemt | weissi: It is still not working. It's just a clone in 1024x768 |
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| 23:58.14 | weissi | jemt, comment out the first ServerLayout section, you want to use the second, perhaps rename the second to DefaultLayout |
| 23:58.38 | ahlfors | What is the preferred place to put my own udev rules? Or is that frowned upon? |
| 23:58.41 | jemt | weissi: Okay, stand by :) |
| 23:59.13 | dondelelcaro | ahlfors: you can just drop them into /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 23:59.20 | dondelelcaro | ahlfors: create your own file there, and it should be ok. |
| 23:59.22 | tuv | how can i produce a list of upgradable packages? |
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| 23:59.42 | ahlfors | dondelelcaro, should I make sure my file is alphabetically last, or doesn't it matter? |
| 23:59.43 | dondelelcaro | tuv: apt-get --dry-run upgrade; FE. |
| 23:59.52 | dondelelcaro | ahlfors: doesn't really matter unless you need to override a rule. |