| 00:00.12 | tuv | dondelelcaro, what's FE? |
| 00:00.17 | dondelelcaro | !FE |
| 00:00.18 | dpkg | FE stands for end; dondelelcaro-speak for For Example, eg. 'eg.' |
| 00:00.32 | ahlfors | dondelelcaro, I just want the relevant partition on my ipod to become /dev/ipod when I plug it in. I think a udev rule is the right way to do it. So I'm not overriding any rule, right? |
| 00:00.42 | kreg_work | such a thing as an office using is own internel instant messanging, other than an internal irc server? |
| 00:00.58 | dondelelcaro | ahlfors: right; I personally have a /etc/udev/rules.d/80_don.rules that does similar things for me. |
| 00:01.02 | tuv | dondelelcaro, hmm.. you're in a factoid! |
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| 00:01.30 | ahlfors | dondelelcaro, thx! |
| 00:01.40 | benjamindees | kreg_work, like jabber? |
| 00:01.45 | kreg_work | never heard of it |
| 00:01.54 | tuv | dondelelcaro, any other way? |
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| 00:02.26 | MatBoy | dondelelcaro, FE is nice :) als BTW |
| 00:02.31 | benjamindees | kreg_work, what's wrong with IRC? |
| 00:02.32 | MatBoy | also |
| 00:02.48 | kreg_work | benjamindees, i think it's great, but the employees want something pretty and simple |
| 00:03.11 | benjamindees | kreg_work, doesn't gaim work with irc? |
| 00:03.44 | jemt | weissi: 'DefaultLayout' made X fail. It still starts, now with Gnome (which did not start before) - but it is still just a clone |
| 00:04.15 | benjamindees | kreg_work, icq? |
| 00:04.31 | weissi | jemt, could you update log and conf on your webserver? please |
| 00:04.37 | jemt | weissi: I have just uploaded the most recent log and xorg.conf |
| 00:04.42 | jemt | weissi: Done ;) |
| 00:04.45 | weissi | jemt, thanks :-) |
| 00:04.52 | kreg_work | i thought gaim was an instant messaging client. seems odd it support irc. i'll try it out |
| 00:05.03 | jemt | weissi: I really appriciate your help btw :) |
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| 00:05.19 | kreg_gaim | weird |
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| 00:07.10 | weissi | jemt, I ment rename XineramaLayout --> DefaultLayout and what I forgot: I think you need a new toplevel section (somewhere above the Module one) like this: Section "ServerFlags"\n\tOption "Xinerama" "true"\nEndSection (\n: newline, \t: tab) |
| 00:07.36 | jemt | weissi: Oh, okay. Give me a few seconds :) |
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| 00:09.01 | weissi | jemt: after you try that: (WW) RADEON(1): Only one monitor detected, Second screen will NOT be created was in the log |
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| 00:09.46 | jemt | weissi: Hm, weird. Don't know how to fix that |
| 00:09.55 | dondelelcaro | tuv: the other way is to use aptitude, which will tell you in its curses interface. |
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| 00:10.43 | weissi | jemt: It seems complicated, I found a posting on google, a sec please |
| 00:10.50 | tuv | dondelelcaro, i have a very slow machine so i don't want to start aptitude unless i know exactly what i'm upgrading, that's why i want to produce a list |
| 00:11.23 | jemt | weissi: Super :) |
| 00:11.44 | tuv | dondelelcaro, i though there is something like dpkg --get-selections or something, except upgradable packages are not yet selected |
| 00:12.23 | jemt | weissi: I also get a Gnome error now : http://powerzone.dk/tmp/gnome-error.txt - guess we can solve that later. But it's still a clone |
| 00:12.38 | dondelelcaro | tuv: there's no way to do that without incuring the slow startup time; you have to load the package graph into memory. |
| 00:13.27 | dondelelcaro | tuv: you can run something like apt-cron in your crontab so you get an e-mail wehn there are things to upgrade; but unless you're running stable, there are things to upgrade every 24 hours. |
| 00:13.30 | tuv | dondelelcaro, that's the case with aptitude, and that's why i'm looking for another way. i guess apt-get --dry-run would work, but i was expecting something more natural |
| 00:13.32 | magyar | hi, i have a small issue with the fglrx module, when it loads, my lcd display goes in "Standby mode". Can anyone assist? |
| 00:13.39 | weissi | jemt, do you speak german? |
| 00:13.43 | jemt | weissi: And all files have been updated again |
| 00:13.45 | dondelelcaro | tuv: apt-get --dry-run has to load the dependency graph too. |
| 00:13.50 | jemt | weissi: No, unfortunately not |
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| 00:13.57 | tuv | dondelelcaro, but it's way faster than aptitude |
| 00:14.03 | dondelelcaro | tuv: not really |
| 00:14.20 | tuv | dondelelcaro, yes.. get a real slow machine and you'll notice the difference :) |
| 00:14.20 | weissi | jemt, bad, I found a posting issuing that, gimme a sec... |
| 00:14.29 | dondelelcaro | (well, unless you've got no memory) |
| 00:14.34 | jemt | weissi: Ok :) |
| 00:14.38 | tuv | dondelelcaro, aptitude does a lot of things before starting the actual task |
| 00:15.28 | tuv | dondelelcaro, i am using apt-cron on testing and getting daily emails with upgrades. but i don't do my upgrades daily and every few days i want to check how many upgradable package i've got to tell whether they are worth firing up aptitude or not :) |
| 00:17.14 | tuv | dondelelcaro, it's an NSLU2.. 32M ram |
| 00:17.50 | dondelelcaro | tuv: apt-cron will email you all of the packages that can be upgraded |
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| 00:18.28 | dondelelcaro | tuv: testing only changes at most once per day, so there's really no reason to do anything else |
| 00:18.31 | ahlfors | I just feel the need to say: udev is awesome. |
| 00:19.09 | weissi | jemt, add Option "monitorlayout" "LVDS, CRT" to your first Device section |
| 00:19.23 | jemt | weissi: Okay, sec |
| 00:20.03 | tuv | dondelelcaro, no.. apt-cron reports only new upgradable packages that have not been reported before. i guess this is because it also downloads upgradable packages so it does not report already downloaded upgradable packages. and testing is like crazy these days with a release coming up |
| 00:20.14 | jemt | weissi: The first Device section is my build-in TFT panel. Sure it's not the second Device Section ? |
| 00:20.25 | jemt | (my external TFT monitor which runs at the highest resolution) |
| 00:21.21 | weissi | jemt, no, not sure, but I read it has to be the first ;-) |
| 00:21.28 | jemt | weissi: And should 'LVDS, CRT' be substituded with the names of my Screens or something like that ? |
| 00:21.36 | jemt | weissi: Oh :) |
| 00:22.30 | weissi | jemt, no, no substitution |
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| 00:23.07 | jemt | weissi: WOW |
| 00:23.11 | jemt | weissi: No clone ! |
| 00:23.24 | dondelelcaro | tuv: depends how you have it running; if you have it running with MAILON="upgrade", it reports all of the packages. |
| 00:23.25 | weissi | jemt, cool! and the resolutions? |
| 00:23.27 | jemt | weissi: But I think the Medion monitor is still running 1024x768 |
| 00:23.44 | weissi | jemt, ok, a sec |
| 00:23.44 | jemt | weissi: No! |
| 00:23.49 | jemt | weissi: It IS running 1280 ! |
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| 00:24.11 | jemt | weissi: This is SO great ! |
| 00:24.21 | magyar | hi, i have a small issue with the fglrx module, when it loads, my lcd display goes in "Standby mode". Can anyone assist? |
| 00:24.40 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, it does so on stable) |
| 00:24.50 | jemt | weissi: Now I just need to set it up so that the IBM TFT monitor is below the Medion monitor |
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| 00:25.14 | jemt | weissi: Right now the Medion has been setup to be Left of the IBM panel |
| 00:26.13 | weissi | jemt, it works? no, I can't believe it :-) |
| 00:26.25 | tuv | dondelelcaro, i have MAILON="always" |
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| 00:26.41 | jemt | weissi: Man, you are just cool! |
| 00:26.47 | jemt | weissi: Thank you so much! |
| 00:26.54 | weissi | jemt, so change RightOf to Below |
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| 00:27.18 | jemt | weissi: Playing with it now. Man this is great :D |
| 00:27.31 | weissi | jemt, no prob. :-) |
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| 00:28.09 | weissi | jemt, this list: http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/pipermail/linux-thinkpad/ is very good. you can use google to search in it |
| 00:28.20 | stoned | hi |
| 00:29.03 | jemt | weissi: Thanks, I'll bookmark that link right away :D |
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| 00:30.13 | qmr | In debian, the builtin speaker in my computer works as both PC speaker and as regular sound speaker. In ubuntu it works for PC speaker, but it doesn't out put regular sound. Can someone tell me how to fix this? |
| 00:30.23 | qmr | confirm that the soundcard works as I get sound through 1/8" audio |
| 00:30.24 | jemt | weissi: There is only one thing. My Gnome panels etc. are on my IBM monitor (below). How do I switch the images around to make the Medion my primary monitor ? |
| 00:30.44 | jemt | weissi: I tryed tweaking the ServerLayout (sec, uploading xorg.conf) |
| 00:30.48 | weissi | jemt, and "Alex Deucher" is very active on this list, is the author of MergedFB (perhaps you use that now ;-) ) and knows a lot of these fucking ati chips |
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| 00:31.41 | jemt | weissi: Uploaded |
| 00:31.53 | jemt | weissi: Hehe :) |
| 00:32.12 | TonyRad | Hello. I'm having a small problem that is causing a big pain.. I have a debian box running our dns server and it worked perfectly up until recently. Now it isn't doing anything at all right with DNS. It won't connect to the internet, it won't allow our other networked computers to the internet and it won't find our other internal servers either. I can ping the dns server with my internal servers, but the dns server can only pi |
| 00:32.13 | weissi | change these lines: "Screen0 "IBM Screen"\nScreen1 "Medion Screen" LeftOf "IBM Screen"" to "Screen 0 "Medion Screen"\n0 "MedionScreen" Above "IBMScreen"" |
| 00:32.44 | weissi | jemt, no, "Screen 0 "Medion Screen"\n0 "MedionScreen" Below "IBMScreen"" I think ;-) |
| 00:32.45 | jemt | weissi: If you are kind enough to check the config file again, you will see that I have comment out the two original lines in the ServerLayout section and "turn them around" |
| 00:32.49 | TonyRad | And I'm online via my home computer I am RDPing into with an IP address. If you were confused how I could get here |
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| 00:33.13 | jemt | weissi: But the Medion is "on top" of the IBM screen (IRL at least) |
| 00:33.38 | weissi | jemt, ok, doen't it work like that ? |
| 00:33.56 | weissi | jemt, looks good I think |
| 00:34.02 | jemt | weissi: Yes - but the Gnome panels show up on the IBM screen. I want them on my Medion Screen :) |
| 00:34.25 | jemt | weissi: Guess the medion should just be the default screen (somehow) |
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| 00:35.31 | Nekomagesdesu | anyone have a link for an updated nvidia how-to in debian? the help link in topic is out of date with current packages ^^ |
| 00:35.48 | jemt | weissi: The current config (updated) just creates a clone |
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| 00:36.04 | weissi | jemt, hmm, weird. |
| 00:36.07 | vulture | Nekomagesdesu: module-assistant auto-install nvidia-kernel |
| 00:36.10 | simonrvn | Nekomagesdesu: nothing is different. same procedure |
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| 00:36.21 | weissi | jemt, I don't really know what the 0/1 before the screen name means :-) |
| 00:36.55 | Nekomagesdesu | simonrvn, the package names have changed and the ones used in the how-to are now listed as "transitory" and not installed |
| 00:37.02 | zinx | weissi: it means you're on AIM. |
| 00:37.07 | TonyRad | If it helps, I'm getting a connection refused when trying to access the dns server |
| 00:37.17 | weissi | jemt, just leve these 0/1 out and copy&paste the medion screen section before the ibm one |
| 00:37.27 | jemt | weissi: I think I just haft to "create" the Medion before the "Ibm" in the file |
| 00:37.38 | jemt | weissi: Ok, giving it a try |
| 00:37.38 | weissi | :-) yep |
| 00:37.54 | weissi | jemt, that's what man xorg.conf says |
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| 00:38.33 | Crell | Hi folks. After a routine update/upgrade on Sid yesterday, my X is now non-functional. Every time I try to start it, I get a warning from my monitor that the sync is out of range. I've tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, no help. I've also tried manually disabling the scan rates in the config file, no help. I tried downgrading xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-video-nv to /testing and /etch, and aptitude says they don't exist(?). |
| 00:38.36 | Crell | Any suggestions? I'm out of ideas. |
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| 00:39.58 | Nekomagesdesu | vulture, care for an explantion in pm or something? =^-^= |
| 00:40.22 | vulture | Nekomagesdesu: read the manual for module-assistant (or maybe it's modules-assistant..) |
| 00:40.23 | jemt | weissi: The Man is usually right :) |
| 00:41.13 | weissi | jemt, does it work ? |
| 00:41.47 | TonyRad | After looking at my server more.. It seems the outside world can't connect to it either.. It's our web server also. Any help would be awesome. I can't go home til it's fixed and I don't really know enough to fix it... |
| 00:42.05 | weissi | jemt, and btw. do you really have a wacom tablet input? |
| 00:42.16 | jemt | weissi: What?! Even though I turned around all the sections, the IBM is still below. Hm, give me a sec to check it one more time |
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| 00:42.29 | jemt | weissi: No, not really. Don't know why it's there |
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| 00:42.46 | Crell | TonyRad: What exactly is wrong? |
| 00:42.56 | weissi | jemt, just remove these 3 sections and all references to it |
| 00:43.30 | Crell | No one knows of problems with X recently in Sid? |
| 00:43.41 | Crell | Or why xserver-xorg would not appear in testing/etch? |
| 00:43.53 | jemt | weissi: Ok :) |
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| 00:45.04 | t0mas | hi |
| 00:45.06 | TonyRad | My DNS server isn't doing it's DNS thing. I can ping the dns server from anything on the internal network, I can access the web site from internally. However, I cannot access anything on it from externally and I can not ping from DNS server to any internal computers |
| 00:45.10 | weissi | jemt, I think (that means perhaps, so backup before): Now you have to change the MonitorLayout from Option"MonitorLayout" "LVDS, CRT" to Option"MonitorLayout" "CRT, LVDS" |
| 00:45.43 | Crell | web site is on the DNS server? DNS server is Bind9 on Sarge? |
| 00:45.50 | ahlfors | Why doesn't debian have /dev as a tmpfs by default? |
| 00:45.51 | jemt | weissi: Ah, could be, yes. Giving it a try :) |
| 00:46.06 | TonyRad | Crell: yes to all |
| 00:46.08 | simonrvn | ahlfors: doesn't install udev by default |
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| 00:46.37 | junmin | hi, somebody here has ATI IGP 340M with Xgl?? |
| 00:46.45 | t0mas | I've got a funny problem... restored a backup of a debian server, but that backup didn't contain any file privileges or owner/group info.. so I'm looking for some way to restore the default permissions etc. |
| 00:46.49 | Crell | So DNS/web server is A. Other system is B. B pings A. A does not ping B. |
| 00:46.52 | ahlfors | simonrvn, can't you mount a tmpfs on /dev and run makedev on each boot? |
| 00:46.54 | TonyRad | It was working fine until a few weeks ago when the dns stopped completely, I updated a few files and it worked fine |
| 00:46.57 | Crell | Have you tried dig from B? |
| 00:47.06 | simonrvn | ahlfors: yes, but what's the point? |
| 00:47.08 | TonyRad | Dig? |
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| 00:47.16 | TonyRad | Correct on the pings |
| 00:47.17 | t0mas | is there some way to do that? I have access to a somewhat identical system, so maybe there is a way to copy "permissions only" from that machine? |
| 00:47.18 | simonrvn | TonyRad: 'dig', a command |
| 00:47.46 | weissi | jemt, and im wondering why it seems still to work, but change you made (in device sections, you changed the Screen numbers) is wrong I think. This screen only means which slot. And slot 0 should be the internal lcd (according to man xorg.conf) |
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| 00:47.53 | ahlfors | simonrvn, I read this is recommended with udev, but it just makes sense anyway. They aren't real files, so why should they have real (read permanent) storage? |
| 00:48.03 | jemt | weissi: The server fails now. I'm trying to move the 'Option "CRT, LVDS"' to the second section now |
| 00:48.04 | simonrvn | they are real files |
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| 00:48.15 | Crell | dig = command line tool to look up DNS info from a server. |
| 00:48.25 | jemt | weissi: Ah, okay. I'll chance it back then |
| 00:48.32 | ahlfors | simonrvn, they are special files |
| 00:48.37 | jemt | weissi: It's in Clone Mode again - so it's not working :) |
| 00:48.41 | simonrvn | procfs and sysfs files aren't real |
| 00:48.48 | TonyRad | oh shit... I think I found the problem? Possibly... |
| 00:48.52 | simonrvn | so? they are still real files |
| 00:48.59 | weissi | jemt, ok, and I think you have to change back to LVDS, CRT. |
| 00:49.01 | simonrvn | this is *nix, not windows |
| 00:49.09 | benjamindees | who was asking about IRC a minute ago? |
| 00:49.16 | Crell | I was asking about X. :-) |
| 00:49.32 | TonyRad | I did run a dig.. and it comes back with a few things. Not sure what we're looking for in the response though |
| 00:49.35 | simonrvn | oh, and that new one, configfs |
| 00:49.46 | ahlfors | simonrvn, Okay, I just mean that their purpose is unrelated to the storage capabilities of the filesystem on which they reside. Thus, why not put them in RAM rather than on an actual disk? |
| 00:49.49 | simonrvn | those aren't real either |
| 00:50.06 | jemt | weissi: Okay, 'cause it is still in clone |
| 00:50.23 | simonrvn | ahlfors: i'm not understanding your statement |
| 00:50.36 | TonyRad | I tried pinging from dns to a few servers.. It seems it can reach the other linux servers.. but it can't reach anything running windows, except the exchange server |
| 00:50.45 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.46 | weissi | jemt: I'd say (declaration in this order): Monitor Medion with Option LVDS,CRT and Screen 0; Monitor IBM with Screen 1; and then ServerLayout: Screen Medion\nScreen Medion Above IBM |
| 00:50.54 | Crell | from B: dig @IP_OF_A NAME_OF_A |
| 00:50.58 | ahlfors | simonrvn, ok, I'm not making and deep or complex argument, I just mean: |
| 00:51.07 | stoned | try not to get the hd involved as much as possible after the initial boot |
| 00:51.22 | jemt | weissi: xorg.conf file updated on web-server - it's in clone mode again |
| 00:51.29 | stoned | thats useless still |
| 00:51.38 | jemt | weissi: I backed up the working version, so we can always fall back to that |
| 00:51.44 | ahlfors | The crap is /dev is no more real than that in /sys, /proc, etc., but for various reasons it is typically managed in userspace. But it still makes sense to store /dev in ram rather than on a disk |
| 00:52.00 | amphi | TonyRad: ISTR that windows blocks pings by default... |
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| 00:52.33 | TonyRad | amphi: My other linux boxes can ping windows though... |
| 00:52.46 | TonyRad | crell: I did the dig, what are we looking for in it? |
| 00:52.58 | amphi | TonyRad: uhuh |
| 00:53.13 | weissi | jemt, delete the 0 and the 1 in the ServerLayout section and then update the log, please |
| 00:53.18 | Crell | Does it return the correct IP address A record for the DNS server? |
| 00:53.25 | phogg | mail(1) has mysteriously stopped autoarchiving read messages to ~/mbox. ANy idea why or how I tell it to start again? |
| 00:53.25 | Crell | If you don't know what I just said, pastebin it. :-) |
| 00:53.25 | jemt | weissi: Okay |
| 00:53.30 | phogg | seb-: you can install rpm if you want |
| 00:53.36 | phogg | slow_query: that would be everything 2.4.0 and greater |
| 00:53.38 | phogg | smax: glib-config is in the libglib packages, not a seperate package |
| 00:53.44 | simonrvn | ahlfors: um, yes they are real. just because they're block special, pipes, or whatever, doesn't make them any less real than a text file. i just said this, but not so many words. you're working from a faulty logic. however, nothing is stopping from installing udev and having that happen (device files created with udev at each boot, and whenever a new device is detected) |
| 00:53.59 | simonrvn | ahlfors: stopping you* |
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| 00:55.35 | jemt | weissi: Both config and log file updated. Running in Dual mode now - but the Medion seems to be "Below" now - even though I have configured the IBM as being below |
| 00:56.12 | ahlfors | simonrvn, when I say "real" I mean "requiring a significant amount of space" |
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| 00:56.16 | TonyRad | I pasted it to you |
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| 00:57.30 | simonrvn | ahlfors: so say that. please don't confuse yourself or others by using terminology incorrectly. easier to say what you mean :). |
| 00:58.40 | Crell | TonyRad: You forgot the @ before the IP address. |
| 00:58.47 | talexb | Drag .. downloaded the net install and tried it out tonight, but got an error at the "Load installer components from CD" point. Can I blame this on a crappy CD burner or a bad CD? Any other causes? |
| 00:58.48 | ahlfors | okay simonrvn, then wtf do you and everybody else mean when you say "real". Tell me, then make sure everyone else in the world agrees with you before talking down to me like that. |
| 00:58.52 | Crell | That tells dig "search this particular server" rather than the system default. |
| 00:59.02 | simonrvn | ahlfors: but anyway, i'm sidtracking... i'd just use udev, it's a C binary, instead of running MAKEDEV, which is a sh script, which would be slower, plus you get the stuff you need created on the fly, instead of extra device files |
| 00:59.31 | jemt | weissi: Could it have something to do with the PageFlip option ? |
| 00:59.52 | simonrvn | ahlfors: i wasn't trying to talk down to you. it just seemed to me that you were using incorrect terms. "everything is a file in *NIX" is the basic logic i'm working from |
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| 01:00.30 | TonyRad | Do I need the @ before the server name as well? |
| 01:00.34 | weissi | jemt, hmm, don't think that, but if you want try it out... |
| 01:00.52 | simonrvn | TonyRad: if you want to query another NS other than the one your system is configured for, yes |
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| 01:01.12 | simonrvn | one(s)* |
| 01:01.14 | superlinux | hello |
| 01:01.23 | ahlfors | simonrvn, ok, I'm using udev now anyway. |
| 01:01.37 | superlinux | i am now in aussie and i am searching for a job in linux or PHP |
| 01:01.39 | simonrvn | ahlfors: hehe, ok |
| 01:01.54 | superlinux | and i need your help to get the PR in aussie |
| 01:02.07 | simonrvn | superlinux: sorry, no job postings here. see craigslist maybe |
| 01:02.12 | TonyRad | hrmm.. Withthe @ it doesn't connect |
| 01:02.14 | superlinux | ok |
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| 01:02.26 | jemt | weissi: Hm, okay |
| 01:02.59 | simonrvn | TonyRad: what's your command? should look something like: dig somehost @somenameserver |
| 01:03.24 | TonyRad | dig @172.20.19.79 dmz1 |
| 01:03.50 | simonrvn | hmm should work |
| 01:04.27 | TonyRad | I also tried: dig @172.20.19.79 @dmz1 and dig 172.20.19.79 @dmz1 |
| 01:04.27 | simonrvn | something's up. is there anything lsitening on port 53 at 172.20.19.79? |
| 01:04.39 | jemt | weissi: Just to make sure; The 4 keywords I can use to adjust the monitors are : RightOf, LeftOf, Below and Above - right ? |
| 01:04.42 | simonrvn | ok, which is the NS the 172.* ? |
| 01:05.03 | superlinux | i need a web based tool to control traffic speeds on linux. please mention one. thanks |
| 01:05.11 | TonyRad | I'm not sure how to check the port on the server.. what do you mean by NS? |
| 01:05.14 | superlinux | and traffic shaping |
| 01:05.20 | simonrvn | nameserver |
| 01:05.43 | TonyRad | ok, wasn't sure |
| 01:05.43 | simonrvn | superlinux: looked at wondershaper? uses iproute and the QoS kernel stuff |
| 01:05.47 | weissi | jemt, yep |
| 01:05.54 | simonrvn | superlinux: it's a shell script |
| 01:06.14 | simonrvn | TonyRad: nmap works nicely |
| 01:06.28 | simonrvn | or even better, lsof or netstat on that machine |
| 01:06.40 | simonrvn | s,even better,, |
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| 01:06.50 | superlinux | well i used to do it by hand .. using TCNG |
| 01:06.57 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 01:06.59 | jemt | weissi: Hm, maybe it's a Gnome thing - that the panels are always placed on the primary video panel (0) |
| 01:07.16 | superlinux | that was easy for me cos i am a programmer |
| 01:07.17 | TonyRad | We have a screwy setup honestly.. But it's what I had to deal with since it was here before I started here.. We have a windows server that has our internal DNS, it's IP address is 172.20.20.201. And we have a debian dns server which is supposed to connect to the external world, ip = 172.20.19.79. Those 2 are supposed to talk. It all worked fine until a few weeks ago |
| 01:07.27 | TonyRad | And I know almost 0 about DNS |
| 01:07.46 | superlinux | any way thanks.. i was just showing my freind how important mirc is |
| 01:07.51 | talexb | Hi, not sure if my Net Install image is borked or not -- can't find the MD5 sums for the ISO anywhere. I have 43a8e7d8a424dd4f78a8779c622860b7 debian-31r3-i386-netinst.iso .. is that right? |
| 01:07.53 | superlinux | IRC i meant |
| 01:08.01 | TonyRad | And nmap, lsof, and netstat are kind of foriegn to me.. |
| 01:08.19 | weissi | jemt, perhaps?!? perhaps you may also config it |
| 01:08.44 | simonrvn | TonyRad: simple use: nmap -p 53 IP; lsof -n -i :53 ; netstat -luant | grep 53 |
| 01:09.05 | superlinux | who of u attended the last sydney LUG monthly meeting? |
| 01:09.07 | simonrvn | talexb: they should be in the same dir you got the iso from |
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| 01:09.25 | TonyRad | on the dns server or on another? |
| 01:09.27 | simonrvn | i'm on turtle island, a bit far from .au ;) |
| 01:09.30 | jemt | weissi: LOL! |
| 01:09.39 | jemt | weissi: I'm an idiot.. |
| 01:09.47 | simonrvn | TonyRad: nmap can be used remote or local, the other 2 are local |
| 01:10.00 | jemt | weissi: It's one big desktop - so I could just move the panels from the monitor below to the monitor above :D |
| 01:10.02 | weissi | jemt, fuck. I think its one big monitor |
| 01:10.11 | jemt | weissi: hahaha, yeah :D |
| 01:10.11 | TonyRad | It does say that port 53 is closed |
| 01:10.13 | weissi | :-) |
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| 01:10.22 | TonyRad | Service says domain |
| 01:10.25 | jemt | weissi: Man, I'm one happy guy now - that's for sure :) |
| 01:10.33 | jemt | Thank you SO much :) |
| 01:10.35 | weissi | jemt, thats good :-) |
| 01:10.48 | simonrvn | TonyRad: yup |
| 01:10.59 | simonrvn | closed means nothing is there |
| 01:11.08 | TonyRad | And that is bad? |
| 01:11.09 | simonrvn | there == listening on the port |
| 01:11.12 | weissi | jemt, np. I'm sure one day I'll profit of that if I have a similar problem :-) |
| 01:11.21 | jemt | weissi: No doubt :) |
| 01:11.33 | TonyRad | It should be open then right? |
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| 01:11.45 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 01:12.02 | TonyRad | And how would I open it then? |
| 01:12.19 | simonrvn | by having the daemon be running ;) |
| 01:13.37 | talexb | simonrvn, There were no MD5s on the page, but I downloaded it again, and it has the identical MD5 -- so it's OK. |
| 01:13.37 | TonyRad | you mean by starting bind9? |
| 01:13.37 | simonrvn | talexb: cool |
| 01:13.37 | simonrvn | TonyRad: yes |
| 01:13.37 | TonyRad | I just started it, then re ran the nmap.. Same results |
| 01:13.44 | talexb | Yeah, but the ISO I tried to use failed because the installer said one of the internal MD5s failed. :( |
| 01:14.13 | simonrvn | TonyRad: try pidof named on the server. anything come up? |
| 01:14.49 | talexb | I used k3b and the Tools -> CD -> Burn ISO image menu selection, and got DSL to work fine. :( |
| 01:15.01 | superlinux | bye |
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| 01:15.04 | TonyRad | nothing |
| 01:15.44 | talexb | Testing the media from within the installer also failed. |
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| 01:17.25 | TonyRad | Ahhh... I just looked at the daemon.log... Oct 5 21:12:43 dmz1 named[2867]: loading configuration from '/etc/bind/named.conf'; Oct 5 21:12:43 dmz1 named[2867]: none:0: open: /etc/bind/named.conf: file not found |
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| 01:19.13 | stojic | talexb: did you see this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=32917 your md5sum is correct, someone solved the problem by burning it on a new CD-R |
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| 01:19.45 | myren | how do i truncate a file? |
| 01:19.51 | myren | /var/log/syslog in this case |
| 01:20.11 | myren | i need that 23 mb VERY badly for this way overdue dist upgrade |
| 01:20.30 | TonyRad | Well shit.. It looks like a few conf files are in the wrong directories... I had to move named.conf, rndc.conf so far.. And now I have to move rndc.key.. I don't know where that is though... |
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| 01:22.44 | Crell | TonyRad: locate rndc.key |
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| 01:23.00 | l-i-l-o | hi all |
| 01:23.04 | l-i-l-o | i have a question |
| 01:23.11 | dvs | s-h-o-o-y |
| 01:23.13 | l-i-l-o | how can i use sudo on my debian? |
| 01:23.14 | dvs | s-h-o-o-t |
| 01:23.24 | l-i-l-o | like i used it on my ubuntu |
| 01:23.27 | talexb | stojic, Thanks looking at that now, but it sounds close to my problem. |
| 01:23.33 | dvs | l-i-l-o: apt-get install sudo then visudo |
| 01:23.34 | l-i-l-o | does anyone know? |
| 01:23.38 | l-i-l-o | thanks dvs |
| 01:23.40 | Crell | l-i-l-o: aptitude install sudo |
| 01:23.44 | Crell | He's faster. :-) |
| 01:23.48 | simonrvn | TonyRad: oh fuck, no wonder |
| 01:23.57 | dvs | l-i-l-o: your w-e-l-c-o-m-e |
| 01:24.14 | TonyRad | Yeah |
| 01:24.28 | TonyRad | I keep moving the file it says then it says another |
| 01:25.05 | TonyRad | I guess I'll just have to do this until it works |
| 01:26.19 | stojic | maybe it's the cd device ... |
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| 01:26.36 | talexb | No, this doesn't make sense -- I'm using the CD on the drive that burned it .. you'd think that would work, no? |
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| 01:27.18 | talexb | It's an LG .. it certainly wasn't an expensive purchase. |
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| 01:27.44 | stojic | not necessarily, my cheap combo drive won't read certain kinds of CD-R's no matter where I burn them |
| 01:27.47 | Crell | talexb: Not if the burn was bad in the first place. |
| 01:27.58 | stojic | oh, LG here also ;) |
| 01:28.11 | TonyRad | It says: Oct 5 21:26:15 dmz1 named[414]: could not configure root hints from 'named.ca': file not found |
| 01:28.14 | LoRez | l-i-l-o: please change your nick. |
| 01:28.24 | l-i-l-o | why? |
| 01:28.26 | TonyRad | Not sure where that file should go/come from/look like... Any thoughts? |
| 01:28.28 | l-i-l-o | i cant use lilo |
| 01:28.31 | dvs | !nickometer l-i-l-o |
| 01:28.33 | dpkg | 'l-i-l-o' is 69.000% lame, dvs |
| 01:28.33 | l-i-l-o | it always says "Error" |
| 01:28.40 | LoRez | because it's reserved. |
| 01:28.47 | ahlfors | l-i-l-o, change your nick out of respect for the dead |
| 01:28.50 | stojic | that's why I have a good old ASUS 34X reader from my old computer :) |
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| 01:29.00 | olil | k? |
| 01:29.18 | ahlfors | olil, that's 2% less lame |
| 01:29.19 | zachhale | okay so i'm trying to install debian and it boots and i get through a couple prompts then the cd drive freezes |
| 01:29.26 | zachhale | this happens with two different cd drives |
| 01:29.32 | zachhale | any ideas? |
| 01:29.35 | olil | !nickometer olil |
| 01:29.37 | dpkg | 'olil' is 0.000% lame, olil |
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| 01:30.20 | TonyRad | Any thoughts on the named.ca file? |
| 01:30.50 | talexb | Crell, stojic, Well, trying another one with verify turned on. We'll see how it goes. |
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| 01:31.03 | Crell | TonyRad: Odd, I don't seem to have that file either. |
| 01:31.09 | talexb | ahlfors, Ha! |
| 01:31.19 | TonyRad | My home box doesn't have the file either |
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| 01:32.22 | stojic | talexb: ok, but if the verify outputs an error, the CD might still be good: on my system verify in K3B _always_ stops at the beginning with some error |
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| 01:32.33 | talexb | Aha. 'The written data differs' |
| 01:32.36 | talexb | Shit. |
| 01:32.49 | talexb | stojic, Really? |
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| 01:33.03 | chicarasquita | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.07 | stojic | you might try something like md5sum /dev/hdc, where /dev/hdc is your reader |
| 01:33.15 | chicarasquita | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.21 | chicarasquita | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.44 | Piet | chicarasquita: please stop this script now. |
| 01:33.49 | talexb | stojic, Cool, never md5'd a device before. |
| 01:33.58 | TonyRad | simonrvn/crell: maybe if you saw the entire log section it might help? |
| 01:34.07 | TonyRad | 11 lines |
| 01:34.38 | talexb | stojic, Hmph, MD5 of /dev/hdb is different. |
| 01:35.03 | chicarasquita | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.04 | chicarasquita | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.05 | chicarasquita | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.06 | chicarasquita | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:35.49 | talexb | Frustrating, because like the posts on http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=32917 DSL worked fine .. hmm .. on another system. Didn't try it back o this system. |
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| 01:36.18 | stojic | talexb: hm... do you have access to some other reader so that you can try making iso of it there and comparing it to original iso or something like that? |
| 01:36.19 | poonj | hey guys... |
| 01:36.24 | poonj | what is a good way to clone a hard drive? |
| 01:36.50 | ahlfors | poonj, do you have a physically identical disk? |
| 01:36.58 | karsten | poonj: Whatever you do ... |
| 01:36.59 | poonj | no |
| 01:37.04 | talexb | stojic, I think my wife's PC has a burner, but haven't used it .. and she's playing a game right now. I'm so impatient. |
| 01:37.04 | poonj | two different sized drives |
| 01:37.05 | karsten | poonj: ... don't trust the Korean doctors. |
| 01:37.15 | poonj | korean doctors? |
| 01:37.16 | karsten | poonj: tar from one to the other. |
| 01:37.23 | poonj | tar? |
| 01:37.27 | rxed | I'm missing an Abiword plugin for spell-check. Anyone knows name of the plugin? |
| 01:37.31 | karsten | !tar |
| 01:37.31 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 01:37.42 | ahlfors | poonj, if you want a low-level clone you should use dd |
| 01:37.50 | poonj | would dd work if they are different? |
| 01:37.50 | karsten | poonj: Korean clone Dr: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10589085/from/RL.3/ |
| 01:37.53 | poonj | sized ones |
| 01:37.58 | poonj | sized hard drives I mean |
| 01:37.59 | karsten | ahlfors: Different sized drives. |
| 01:38.02 | TonyRad | ?!?!!?! |
| 01:38.12 | poonj | okay...so I'll just have to do a raw copy |
| 01:38.15 | ahlfors | poonj, If the dest drive is bigger, the result will work |
| 01:38.22 | poonj | nah |
| 01:38.24 | poonj | its smaller |
| 01:38.28 | stojic | talexb: you might try burning it there, but the problem might also be that your CD device doesn't read that particular kind of CD-R right |
| 01:38.36 | poonj | okay, tar it is |
| 01:38.40 | TonyRad | The port it open! If you want to know.. I just moved those files in, then did: touch /etc/bind/named.ca |
| 01:38.54 | ahlfors | poonj, well how can you hope to clone it?! I think you mean "copy the data", in which case tar would be good |
| 01:39.03 | poonj | well |
| 01:39.10 | poonj | ahlfors.. |
| 01:39.16 | poonj | so what could I use then? |
| 01:39.27 | poonj | no |
| 01:39.29 | poonj | I mean, clone... |
| 01:39.35 | poonj | I want the hard drive to be exact |
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| 01:39.48 | ahlfors | poonj, not possible if destination disk is smaller! |
| 01:39.59 | ahlfors | poonj, also probably not the right channel to ask this |
| 01:40.06 | karsten | poonj: How big are the two disks? |
| 01:40.08 | poonj | the data on the primary drive now...fits in the smaller drive |
| 01:40.20 | karsten | poonj: ... and how much space is used on the larger? |
| 01:40.22 | poonj | I have about 20GB on a 160GB drive...I have a 40GB hard drive |
| 01:40.32 | poonj | for the destination drive |
| 01:40.32 | lurker99 | poonj: check out 'cpio' |
| 01:40.44 | karsten | poonj: *Don't* use cpio it's a pain. |
| 01:40.47 | talexb | stojic, Interesting, just tried md5ing the original one (that didn't work) and that md5 is correct. |
| 01:40.48 | karsten | lurker99: Bad advice. |
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| 01:41.11 | stojic | talexb: there you go, it is burned well, but sometimes it just won't read it |
| 01:41.16 | karsten | poonj: What filesystems / mountpoints are you trying to clone? |
| 01:41.17 | lurker99 | really? it works for me. (YMMV) |
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| 01:41.28 | karsten | lurker99: Might as well just use tar. |
| 01:41.31 | karsten | talexb: He's not. |
| 01:41.51 | talexb | karsten, OK, I'll keep my nose out of it. |
| 01:42.11 | karsten | poonj: cd <top of device to be cloned> |
| 01:42.29 | poonj | karsten, I have just a xfs / directory |
| 01:42.33 | poonj | only partition |
| 01:42.56 | karsten | poonj: Make a mountpoint for the target (say /mnt/target), esure you've got the target partitioned and a filesystem on it. |
| 01:43.09 | karsten | poonj: Is the target partitioned? Is there a filesystem on it? |
| 01:43.18 | poonj | not yet, but I can do fdisk |
| 01:43.22 | poonj | and format it |
| 01:43.24 | poonj | its not a big dela |
| 01:43.53 | karsten | poonj: Do that. |
| 01:44.00 | karsten | poonj: ... and say when finished. |
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| 01:44.24 | poonj | I then have to run lilo again? |
| 01:44.30 | poonj | to make sure its bootable |
| 01:44.31 | poonj | right? |
| 01:44.50 | rxed | I'm missing an Abiword plugin for spell-check. Anyone knows name of the plugin? |
| 01:45.19 | TonyRad | Well, now I can finally go home... :) Thanks guys!!! |
| 01:45.22 | karsten | poonj: Later. |
| 01:45.26 | talexb | stojic, Would it matter if I didn't say 'linux26' to get the 2.6 kernel when the Netinst CD boots up? |
| 01:45.28 | poonj | okay |
| 01:45.30 | poonj | give me a sec |
| 01:45.33 | poonj | let me set tat up |
| 01:45.43 | nvz | rxed: apt-cache show abiword, its like aspell or myspell or one of thouse |
| 01:45.44 | poonj | it will take a bit of time.. |
| 01:45.52 | nvz | heh thats horrible spelling even for me :P |
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| 01:46.07 | nvz | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 01:46.14 | stojic | talexb: I have no idea |
| 01:46.15 | karsten | poonj: I know. That's why I told you to say when it's done. |
| 01:46.22 | poonj | karsten, okay thanks |
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| 01:46.51 | karsten | Any way to get tar to stay on a single filesystem? |
| 01:47.17 | ahlfors | --one-file-system |
| 01:47.21 | ahlfors | :) |
| 01:47.32 | karsten | ahlfors: Danke |
| 01:47.40 | karsten | ahlfors: TFM is too f*cking long |
| 01:47.40 | ahlfors | karsten, bitte |
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| 01:48.48 | karsten | poonj: cd /; tar --one-file-system cxvpf - $( ls | egrep -v '(cdrom|dev|floppy|lost\+found|media|mnt|proc)' ) | ( cd /mnt/target; tar xpf - ) |
| 01:48.51 | karsten | poonj: ... should do it. |
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| 01:50.11 | talexb | Same error .. 'Load installer components from CD' .. |
| 01:51.22 | DaveLib | hello i am running sarge i wanted to experiment with etch so i just installed qemu and i started a sarge netinstall in a newe virtual computer in qemu using my sarge netinstall cd i burned before |
| 01:51.24 | stojic | talexb: there is one thing that you might try; disabling DMA for CD device in BIOS settings and use PIO mode. Then if installation goes well you can reenable it. It might just read the CD in PIO mode, I used to turn off dma using hdparm when damn CD devide wouldn't read something |
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| 01:51.59 | poonj | karsten, thanks!~ |
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| 01:52.15 | talexb | stojic, OK, I'm willing to try that .. just not sure if I can remember hwo to get into BIOS. |
| 01:52.57 | DaveLib | in the virtual computer i created a non-root account and put it for sudo and in there after only the minimal newinstall sarge i did sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:53.08 | wireddd | talexb, f1, f2, del, alt f2 esc, alt esc |
| 01:53.11 | stojic | talexb: while your system boots, press DEL (if it's not a laptop). If it is a laptop, press F2, but I am not sure will the option be present then |
| 01:53.21 | DaveLib | it upgraded 5 packages including the kernel, grub ppp baseconfig |
| 01:53.44 | weissi | bye |
| 01:53.46 | DaveLib | i rebooted like it told me to after that dist-install |
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| 01:54.27 | TonyRad | well, I thought I had it all good.. Then I ran some tests and realized I'm not homeward bound yet... |
| 01:54.28 | DaveLib | so i am in a new session in the virtual computer and i looked at /etc/debian_version there it says 3.1 |
| 01:55.00 | DaveLib | so am i really in etch or really in sarge and if sarge what do i have to do to get to etch? |
| 01:55.00 | talexb | wiredd, stojic, Thanks guys, it was Del after all. I tried F6 and F8 last time without success. Just pawing through miles and miles of options now. |
| 01:56.04 | zachhale | waht should I do if with 3 different optical drives i get a "your installation cd-rom couldnt be mounted" error |
| 01:56.21 | wireddd | oh and just for the record, on some old packerd bells, to get into the bios you have to boot up with the hard drive disconnected |
| 01:56.34 | dvs | zachhale: try the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 01:56.47 | dvs | wireddd: o_O |
| 01:57.17 | zachhale | brand new debian netinst |
| 01:57.17 | wireddd | dvs, yes I know its odd |
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| 01:58.01 | talexb | Hmm, PIO is Auto or Modes 0-5 for Primary/Secondary Master/Slave .. no idea what's going on there. |
| 01:58.05 | freakazoid0223 | are you running sarge zachhale ? |
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| 01:58.14 | zachhale | i'm trying to install sarge |
| 01:58.22 | talexb | UDMA is Auto/Disable .. |
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| 01:58.40 | freakazoid0223 | at boot: type linux26 <enter> |
| 01:58.40 | talexb | zachhale, welcome to the party. |
| 01:58.55 | stojic | one question: cron is enabled by default in Etch, right? I have a cron job that should check mail every 15 minutes but I am not sure is it working |
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| 01:59.14 | dvs | wireddd: It's not just weird, it's weirddd. ;-) |
| 01:59.17 | stojic | talexb: is there only Disable option? |
| 01:59.29 | wireddd | when is etch becoming stable? |
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| 01:59.36 | dvs | !wwsr |
| 01:59.36 | dpkg | it has been said that wwsr is It is released: http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 |
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| 02:00.42 | zachhale | talexb: what do you mean udma is auto/disable? |
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| 02:01.39 | talexb | UDMA has two choices, Auto and Disable. |
| 02:01.40 | TonyRad | fother mucker. I still can't access anything... dns is a bitch |
| 02:01.41 | karsten | poonj: back |
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| 02:02.06 | talexb | PIO has six choices, Auto and modes 0-5. |
| 02:02.09 | karsten | zachhale: same cd? |
| 02:02.20 | talexb | Maybe this is why it was a free machine .. |
| 02:02.26 | stojic | talexb: select disable, save & exit and then retry installation. for PIO select auto |
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| 02:02.52 | talexb | stojic, Disab;e just for the CD? OK, why not. |
| 02:02.57 | stojic | yes |
| 02:03.01 | zachhale | talexb: what do you suggest i do then? |
| 02:03.06 | zachhale | karsten: i've tried multiple cds |
| 02:03.10 | DaveLib | i just did dpkg-query ppp in both my base sarge system and the virtual qemu machine ppp one of the packages dist-upgrade upgraded both are same version 2.4.3-20050321+2sarge1 |
| 02:03.19 | dvs | zachhale: but did you try the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 02:03.45 | freakazoid0223 | the 2.6 kernel let me boot off of a usb dvd rom |
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| 02:04.26 | talexb | zachhale, Sorry, not suggesting you do anything .. I'm working my way through a balky CD drive, stojic and others have been very helpful. |
| 02:04.37 | freakazoid0223 | or you could take a shot a running etch I've had no problems with it thus far |
| 02:04.37 | zachhale | dvs: yes |
| 02:04.49 | dvs | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 02:04.49 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
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| 02:05.16 | zachhale | dvs: it sits there |
| 02:05.24 | zachhale | probing pci hardware |
| 02:05.35 | nono31 | is that possible to make my computer an internet dns server and then register my own domain in it? |
| 02:05.42 | talexb | stojic, Nope, same frickin' error, 'Load installer components from CD'. I've been up since 5am and I'm tired. |
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| 02:06.14 | dn4 | Is time real? |
| 02:06.19 | poonj | karsten, got caught up in something else |
| 02:06.24 | poonj | give me a few more minutes!~ |
| 02:06.27 | poonj | thanks! |
| 02:06.35 | talexb | I could splash out and buy a copy of the distro, I just love the idea of getting the bare essentials and downloading the rest. |
| 02:07.01 | rxed | is there something like top for hard disks? |
| 02:07.08 | talexb | I wonder if the business card version would work for me. (Sigh.) |
| 02:07.12 | TonyRad | shit.. My zone files are missing. |
| 02:07.19 | karsten | poonj: NP. |
| 02:07.19 | wireddd | talexb, probably |
| 02:07.24 | karsten | zachhale: sounds like a bad burn |
| 02:07.27 | talexb | "It's ways something" |
| 02:07.30 | karsten | zachhale: .. or d/l |
| 02:07.38 | talexb | s/ways/always/ |
| 02:07.50 | stojic | talexb: I've no idea, you could get some other CD-R's and try with them. Maybe some known brand, ordinary silver ones, burn at 16x ... |
| 02:08.29 | zachhale | karsten: okay i just tried a 3.1r1 cd which HAS worked in the past and same error :S |
| 02:08.41 | karsten | zachhale: Bad cabling? Bad connector? |
| 02:08.51 | karsten | zachhale: Same disk/drive combo work on another system? |
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| 02:08.57 | karsten | zachhale: ... or bad controller. |
| 02:09.25 | zachhale | i've tried it via IDE and via usb |
| 02:09.58 | talexb | I'm just gonna try booting into DSL and make sure this machine can actually boot off a CD. That'll be a nice sane thing to do. |
| 02:11.24 | stojic | hm... I have this 0,15,30,45 * * * * fetchmail -a -m 'procmail -d %T' 2>&1 in my crontab, but in /var/log/syslog it says /USR/SBIN/CRON[30590]: (ivstojic) CMD (fetchmail -a -m 'procmail -d ) <-- it is missing the last ' |
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| 02:12.14 | stojic | maybe I should put \' instead of ' in crontab? |
| 02:12.18 | freakazoid0223 | talexb, oy you could try knoppix too |
| 02:12.34 | fignew | does anyone know how to disable/enable a network card (I think I'm having HW probs) (i'm talking like actually turning it off) not just ifconfig/ifdown... perhaps disableing/enableing the module? |
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| 02:13.31 | TonyRad | Does anybody know anything about dns zone files? |
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| 02:14.04 | woodgrain | I have two grubs on two partitions, what tells the boot which grub to use? |
| 02:14.05 | karsten | TonyRad: Nope. |
| 02:14.07 | karsten | TonyRad: Nobody does. |
| 02:14.13 | karsten | TonyRad: In fact ... |
| 02:14.16 | sime | ftp.debian.org down ? |
| 02:14.17 | karsten | TonyRad: I think they're a myth. |
| 02:14.22 | karsten | TonyRad: They don't really exist. |
| 02:14.24 | karsten | !tell TonyRad about ask |
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| 02:14.34 | dvs | yay |
| 02:14.44 | dan2 | abrotman: yo |
| 02:14.59 | TonyRad | yes karsten I know about ask.. And that was my question. |
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| 02:15.25 | karsten | TonyRad: Look at it. Does it really warrant an answer? |
| 02:15.27 | abrotman | dan2: hi |
| 02:15.33 | TonyRad | I know nothing about dns zone files. And I lost mine somehow and need to recreate new ones. I would like to know if anybody here knows anything about them. |
| 02:15.38 | Coweater | TonyRad: ask a real question, whether or not people know about something doesn't fix the problem |
| 02:15.40 | karsten | sime: Seems to be responding poorly if at all. |
| 02:15.45 | talexb | freakazoid0223, my eventual plan is to set up an audio/video mastering system, starting with a move away from Mandrake, since the most recent CDs I have are from 10.1 and I wasn't impressed with the package maintenance procedure. |
| 02:15.53 | karsten | TonyRad: cricket book. |
| 02:16.13 | TonyRad | Does anybody know how to create a zone file? Can anybody help me do so? |
| 02:16.18 | abrotman | TonyRad: #dns |
| 02:16.25 | karsten | TonyRad: http://www.ora.com/catalog/dns/noframes.html |
| 02:16.27 | talexb | I really like FC5 when we put it on a test machine -- yum install whatever-the-hell-you-want, and the OS goes off and does it for you. Love that. |
| 02:16.42 | dvs | talexb: and debian doesn't do that? |
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| 02:17.33 | karsten | TonyRad: Or if you prefer the current version: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/dns4/ |
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| 02:18.26 | TonyRad | Actually I do have that book. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to read it yet. And it is currently far from where I am now |
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| 02:18.39 | karsten | TonyRad: http://www.google.com/search?q=dns+zonefile&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
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| 02:18.52 | silly_girl22 | http://chris1.myftp.org/a/password_bug.png |
| 02:18.56 | abrotman | eh .. #dns ? |
| 02:19.10 | rxed | what do I need to apt-get to compile kernel debian way (with dpkg )? |
| 02:19.40 | TonyRad | Nobody seems to be alive in #dns |
| 02:19.44 | silly_girl22 | hi person with opera 9.01 lol |
| 02:19.50 | talexb | dvs, No, debian does that, but I can't get the NetInst CD to work on my system, and I don't know if it's the crappy CDs I have, the crappy CD burner/drive, or just bad luck. |
| 02:19.54 | karsten | !kp |
| 02:19.54 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 02:20.01 | karsten | rxed: ^^ |
| 02:20.05 | rxed | thanks. |
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| 02:21.01 | karsten | TonyRad: http://www.dns.net/dnsrd/ |
| 02:22.25 | karsten | TonyRad: http://www.bind9.net/manuals (the BIND9 manual) |
| 02:22.30 | silly_girl22 | does anyone see a problem with this? http://chris1.myftp.org/a/password_bug.png |
| 02:23.18 | karsten | TonyRad: Specifically sections 3 & 8 |
| 02:23.36 | ahlfors | silly_girl22, what is the problem? |
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| 02:23.48 | abrotman | silly_girl22: yes .. didn't clear the screen |
| 02:23.50 | silly_girl22 | some of my password is showing |
| 02:24.03 | karsten | silly_girl22: Looks as if your terminal isn't properly configured. |
| 02:24.08 | karsten | silly_girl22: echo "$TERM" |
| 02:24.10 | gravity | It's rather tasteless |
| 02:24.10 | gravity | erm... EWINDOW |
| 02:24.14 | karsten | silly_girl22: Try: reset; tset reset |
| 02:25.05 | silly_girl22 | $TERM is xterm but im using gnome-terminal. could that be the problem? |
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| 02:25.15 | karsten | silly_girl22: Could be. |
| 02:25.42 | karsten | silly_girl22: Question. |
| 02:25.48 | karsten | silly_girl22: What's the rest of your password ;-) |
| 02:26.16 | silly_girl22 | randomly generated 32 characters |
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| 02:26.53 | ahlfors | silly_girl22, try the same thing in an xterm, report results |
| 02:26.59 | dn4 | I just joined Balls Deep Univeristy :P |
| 02:27.06 | silly_girl22 | whoever looked again is using opera 9.01 |
| 02:27.11 | silly_girl22 | earlier someone used kde |
| 02:27.23 | silly_girl22 | this is a big variety of web browsers |
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| 02:27.30 | Cooner750 | Is there any software that is able to work with a Windows machine that copies a file when it is changed. For example, the "file server" would be sitting in the basement, and when a change is made to a file on the PC upstairs (pictures mainly, when they are saved), the same thing gets copied onto the server's drive? |
| 02:27.32 | karsten | silly_girl22: ... and how'd you start that terminal session? Running locally or remotely in that particular shell (eg: are you ssh'd to another host)? |
| 02:27.39 | silly_girl22 | and of course firefox 1.5.0.7, but you need to switch to firefox 2 beta |
| 02:27.44 | karsten | Cooner750: unison, sort of. |
| 02:28.03 | silly_girl22 | karsten from the gnome menu |
| 02:28.05 | silly_girl22 | locally |
| 02:28.17 | karsten | silly_girl22: OK. And I'm in Konqueror FYI. |
| 02:28.29 | Cooner750 | How does it work? and would a PII 300 with 256 (if it will take it) memory be enough for the server? |
| 02:28.35 | ahlfors | silly_girl22, did you try it in a plain old xterm? |
| 02:28.41 | abrotman | Cooner750: rsync |
| 02:28.49 | silly_girl22 | Konqueror 3.5 |
| 02:28.56 | karsten | Cooner750: RTFM. I don't use it. Memory shouldn't be an issue. |
| 02:28.59 | Cooner750 | My mom works on pictures and would like some sort of backup like that |
| 02:29.12 | karsten | Cooner750: Any solution is going to be a periodic poll-and-sync, not instantaneous. |
| 02:29.27 | Cooner750 | The only issue so far is the server wont have network access in the basement via an ethernet cable. And wireless I know is about impossible to get io work in Linux |
| 02:29.40 | karsten | silly_girl22: Guilty |
| 02:29.51 | silly_girl22 | ahlfors: thats the only time it ever happened. i thought it was odd, but i cant get it to happen again. |
| 02:30.00 | Cooner750 | I have a ZyXEL ZyAir G302v2 card I never was able to get to work in any Linux distro. |
| 02:30.19 | ahlfors | silly_girl22, had you been doing anything weird in the terminal before? like cat a binary file? |
| 02:30.21 | karsten | silly_girl22: start another gnome-terminal, check "$TERM", and try your 'su' again. Results? |
| 02:30.26 | pickcoder | Cooner750: did you try ndiswrapper? |
| 02:30.31 | karsten | silly_girl22: Or you should be able to check with just plain 'clear'. |
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| 02:30.44 | karsten | silly_girl22: Did you do anything such as hit <ctrl>-c as the terminal was coming up? |
| 02:30.47 | silly_girl22 | ahlfors: just an ssh session with solaris earlier |
| 02:31.00 | Cooner750 | pickcoder: Yes, it said Hardware Detected: Yes but never worked. |
| 02:31.03 | karsten | silly_girl22: If you interrupted your .bashrc as it was executing it might foul things up. |
| 02:31.43 | karsten | silly_girl22: ... and it's possible that your ssh session reset terminal, though I'd think that wouldn't persist past the end of the session. |
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| 02:31.49 | silly_girl22 | no, i dont remember doing anything out of the ordinary. i am using etch testing and i get a few bugs after doing updates. |
| 02:31.54 | ahlfors | How can I get firefox to send a less detailed "user-agent" header? |
| 02:32.02 | karsten | ahlfors: Change it. |
| 02:32.10 | abrotman | ask #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
| 02:32.24 | karsten | ahlfors: http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/UserAgentString |
| 02:32.33 | silly_girl22 | has anyone got xgl working in debian? |
| 02:32.40 | silly_girl22 | trying to do it hosed my system last time |
| 02:32.42 | karsten | !tell silly_girl22 about polls. |
| 02:33.24 | silly_girl22 | whatever |
| 02:33.47 | abrotman | xgl isn't in debian .. aiglx is |
| 02:34.09 | silly_girl22 | is that difficult to setup and get working? |
| 02:34.34 | silly_girl22 | aiglx is not in my repos and i got mine from apt-spy |
| 02:34.50 | gravity | ... |
| 02:35.40 | pickcoder | Cooner750: acx100-source |
| 02:36.01 | silly_girl22 | karsten: i see you are looking at my videos |
| 02:36.21 | silly_girl22 | and then you went from Konqueror 3.5 to Wget 1.10.2 |
| 02:36.38 | silly_girl22 | probably wget -r |
| 02:36.39 | abrotman | silly_girl22: which version of debian ? |
| 02:36.43 | karsten | silly_girl22: ;-) |
| 02:36.51 | abrotman | gravity: can you like .. push 7.1 in to etch ? :) |
| 02:37.03 | silly_girl22 | Linux debian 2.6.16-2-k7 #1 Fri Aug 18 19:48:42 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:37.08 | silly_girl22 | etch testing |
| 02:37.17 | gravity | abrotman: It'll get pushed at some point actually |
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| 02:37.34 | silly_girl22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.38 | abrotman | gravity: be .. forceful :) |
| 02:37.39 | karsten | silly_girl22: Skater a friend of yours? |
| 02:37.45 | silly_girl22 | karsten: yes |
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| 02:37.52 | gravity | abrotman: We have to fix a few things first |
| 02:38.00 | abrotman | gravity: fixes are for .. stable users :) |
| 02:38.58 | silly_girl22 | whats "Bite me v1.0 (en-us) lol? |
| 02:39.08 | pickcoder | Cooner750: install that source package and then run m-a to build the module and install it |
| 02:39.17 | abrotman | m-a a-i |
| 02:39.24 | silly_girl22 | whos the lamer using windows |
| 02:39.25 | pickcoder | Cooner750: it supports the TI chipset for your wireless card |
| 02:39.29 | abrotman | that should do it all automagically |
| 02:40.08 | pickcoder | 46 |
| 02:40.11 | pickcoder | gah |
| 02:40.12 | abrotman | 42 ? |
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| 02:40.21 | silly_girl22 | this is a good program http://developer.berlios.de/projects/apt-history/ |
| 02:40.22 | ahlfors | silly_girl22, that's what I think of your user-agent monitoring fetish :) |
| 02:40.23 | pickcoder | wrong window focus for TV |
| 02:40.24 | pickcoder | :P |
| 02:40.29 | karsten | pickcoder: You've just fouled up the answer to life, the universe, and everything. |
| 02:40.35 | abrotman | pickcoder: hehe |
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| 02:41.00 | abrotman | silly_girl22: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 02:41.00 | silly_girl22 | ahlfors: i am redirecting you to /dev/null |
| 02:41.09 | karsten | silly_girl22: ... or you could just use aptitude: /var/log/aptitude |
| 02:41.20 | abrotman | mankod: turn it off |
| 02:41.35 | iNick | clean install of 3.1r3, apt's up to date, how do I get a GUI? |
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| 02:41.45 | ahlfors | silly_girl22, that's not very nice! |
| 02:41.50 | abrotman | iNick: which GUI do you want ? |
| 02:41.55 | iNick | x.org |
| 02:42.01 | abrotman | iNick: no . which DE/WM ? |
| 02:42.14 | iNick | i start w/ gnome |
| 02:42.21 | iNick | maybe fluxbox after |
| 02:42.24 | abrotman | iNick: apt-get install gnome x-window-system gdm |
| 02:42.30 | iNick | thx |
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| 02:42.53 | Alt-Ox | hello, everybody |
| 02:42.54 | Alt-Ox | What is the meaning of the SCSI-Address 1,5,0 ? |
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| 02:43.23 | LoRez | Alt-Ox: second controller, scsi id 5, lun 0 |
| 02:43.34 | iNick | abrotman, is the "x-window-system" x.org or XFree86.org ? |
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| 02:43.58 | abrotman | iNick: sarge or etch/sid ? |
| 02:44.10 | abrotman | eh .. nm .. you'll get xf4 |
| 02:44.26 | iNick | 3.1r3 (assume sarge) but I don't have a clue. new to Debian. |
| 02:44.26 | silly_girl22 | aiglx is not showing in the repos |
| 02:44.28 | abrotman | iNick: which video card do you have ? |
| 02:44.37 | abrotman | silly_girl22: not in etch |
| 02:44.38 | silly_girl22 | what is the recommended way of installing aiglx |
| 02:44.39 | Alt-Ox | LoRez, "0,5,0" would be first controller? |
| 02:44.40 | iNick | this one is a TNT Riva64 |
| 02:44.43 | LoRez | yes |
| 02:44.50 | Alt-Ox | thanks |
| 02:45.01 | abrotman | iNick: xf4 will be fine |
| 02:45.14 | silly_girl22 | abrotman: what is the recommended way for me to get it? |
| 02:45.17 | ahlfors | Alt-Ox, is this for use with cdrecord by any chance? |
| 02:45.20 | abrotman | from sid ? |
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| 02:45.24 | iNick | abrotman: how do I install x.org? i want to install x.org |
| 02:45.46 | DaBlade | iNick: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 02:45.47 | abrotman | !tell iNick about sarge xorg |
| 02:45.48 | karsten | !tell iNick about drxx |
| 02:45.49 | silly_girl22 | abrotman: if i just download the package, can i use my versions of dependencies do you think? |
| 02:45.57 | abrotman | !tell iNick about bpo |
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| 02:46.02 | silly_girl22 | abrotman: from packages.debian.com |
| 02:46.03 | Alt-Ox | ahlfors, actually i'm just study to LPI =) |
| 02:46.07 | DaBlade | Looks like the bot took a day off. |
| 02:46.08 | karsten | iNick: install xserver-xort |
| 02:46.11 | karsten | iNick: install xserver-xorg |
| 02:46.19 | gravity | Or... "xorg" |
| 02:46.25 | gravity | xorg being the package you should actually install |
| 02:46.29 | ahlfors | Alt-Ox, oh, okay, then you need the "real" answer. What's LPI? |
| 02:46.46 | Alt-Ox | ahlfors, Linux Professional Institute - www.lpi.org |
| 02:46.51 | Alt-Ox | certification |
| 02:47.11 | abrotman | karsten: in sarge ? |
| 02:47.23 | karsten | abrotman: backports? |
| 02:47.33 | abrotman | gravity: will x-window-system work for etch when it's released ? |
| 02:47.44 | gravity | abrotman: Yes, but I'm killing that as soon as it's released |
| 02:47.45 | karsten | iNick: sarge doesn't have xorg in standard archives, maybe in backports. |
| 02:48.10 | abrotman | gravity: gotcha .. so for 4.0r0 it will work .. but for etch+1 no? |
| 02:48.18 | silly_girl22 | should i be able to get unstable packages by changing etch to sid in my sources.list and install aiglx and compiz, then go back to etch after that? |
| 02:48.22 | iNick | argh. |
| 02:48.31 | gravity | abrotman: Right |
| 02:48.34 | abrotman | iNick: or upgrade to etch |
| 02:48.38 | karsten | silly_girl22: Nope |
| 02:48.42 | abrotman | gravity: seems reasonable |
| 02:48.47 | iNick | abrotman, etch = 4.0 ? |
| 02:48.49 | silly_girl22 | why not? |
| 02:48.51 | karsten | silly_girl22: Erm. More: don' tdo that. |
| 02:48.54 | abrotman | iNick: that's the idea |
| 02:49.08 | karsten | !tell silly_girl22 about pinning |
| 02:49.08 | gravity | silly_girl22: Do yourself a favor and just wait it out |
| 02:49.19 | iNick | isn't sarge the suggested production release? |
| 02:49.30 | abrotman | for servers .. recommended |
| 02:49.35 | silly_girl22 | so if i download the sid aiglx and compiz packages, i should be able to install that way right? |
| 02:49.41 | abrotman | and for stable workstatsions .. yes |
| 02:49.49 | silly_girl22 | from the deb search box in firefox |
| 02:49.52 | iNick | and etch is the next cutting edge? |
| 02:49.55 | amphi | silly_girl22: isn't aiglx only supported on radeon? |
| 02:50.00 | iNick | where, it might crash or burn the computer? |
| 02:50.05 | abrotman | silly_girl22: do as gravity said .. wait for aiglx to hit testing/etch |
| 02:50.06 | iNick | naughty Linux |
| 02:50.20 | karsten | iNick: Yes. |
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| 02:50.33 | abrotman | iNick: no .. etch is the codename for the next release .. sid is "bleeding edge" |
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| 02:50.41 | silly_girl22 | amphi: i dont think so. i think it supports all nvidia cards and thats better than xgl |
| 02:50.42 | karsten | iNick: If you're running your own desktop, testing's generally suitable. Provided you don't mind the occasional rough edge. |
| 02:50.59 | karsten | silly_girl22: gravity _might_ just know something about this. |
| 02:51.07 | rxed | I'm trying to "m-a a-i ipw2200-source". I get an error that E: Couldn't find package ipw2200-source. Any ideas how to fix this? |
| 02:51.07 | amphi | silly_girl22: then my info is out of date, no surprise there ;) |
| 02:51.10 | silly_girl22 | how long does it take for a package to go from unstable sid to testing etch? |
| 02:51.15 | iNick | so, if I understand this, verifying the information... if I want to run xorg, i have to use unofficial packages provided by a 3rd party on sarge, or upgrade to a non-production release. |
| 02:51.20 | zachhale | i have a problem with booting to my debian install cd. with several cd drives and multiple versions of debian sarge as well as ubuntu the installer say's it cant mount the install cd. any ideas? i have also tried multiple cd drives and from IDE as well as usb |
| 02:51.25 | karsten | silly_girl22: You might /whois him and check the maintainer for xorg packages. |
| 02:51.40 | ahlfors | Actually sid is much more stable than most people would have you believe. |
| 02:51.52 | karsten | silly_girl22: ten days, minus bugs. |
| 02:52.00 | abrotman | iNick: roughly .. yes |
| 02:52.07 | karsten | silly_girl22: ... which can be quite a while sometimes. |
| 02:52.20 | karsten | zachhale: can you _boot_ the disk? |
| 02:52.23 | abrotman | ahlfors: are you willing to be personal support ? |
| 02:52.32 | silly_girl22 | by that time, fedora core release 6 with be out with aiglx installed out of the box, and i will be tempted to install it |
| 02:52.35 | zachhale | karsten: yes |
| 02:52.35 | karsten | zachhale: ... and/or do you have a floppy drive on that machine and are you willing to use boot floppies? |
| 02:52.48 | zachhale | i am wiling to boot floppies |
| 02:52.48 | iNick | thx for the help though. |
| 02:52.49 | karsten | silly_girl22: ... and you'll get, for your troubles, Fedora Core. |
| 02:52.54 | karsten | zachhale: Try that. |
| 02:52.59 | abrotman | iNick: is it for a server or workstation ? |
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| 02:53.00 | karsten | zachhale: Or Knoppix and debootstrap. |
| 02:53.03 | abrotman | or not |
| 02:53.08 | ahlfors | abrotman, only for myself. Let me make that clear, I'm not recommending anybody install sid. |
| 02:53.21 | abrotman | good :) |
| 02:53.21 | karsten | ahlfors: I'm not just anybody. |
| 02:53.32 | abrotman | karsten: you're .. everybody ? |
| 02:53.38 | karsten | abrotman: I'm not *that* fat. |
| 02:53.43 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:53.47 | abrotman | says .. "self" |
| 02:54.10 | ahlfors | FWIW, I experience a major breakage only once out of every ten dist-upgrades or so, and I do those about once a week. |
| 02:54.26 | abrotman | that's more than i'd want |
| 02:54.50 | silly_girl22 | what did i do wrong? http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?suite=all&subword=1&exact=&arch=any§ion=all&case=insensitive&keywords=aiglx&searchon=names |
| 02:55.05 | abrotman | aiglx isn't a package |
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| 02:55.37 | abrotman | not afaik |
| 02:56.08 | silly_girl22 | what package name is aiglx under? |
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| 02:57.15 | ahlfors | silly_girl22, what is your big hurry for aiglx? |
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| 02:59.00 | lunitik | silly_girl22: aiglx is part of xorg 7.1.x |
| 02:59.05 | bbelt16ag | hi |
| 02:59.12 | bbelt16ag | hi silly_girl22 |
| 02:59.19 | bbelt16ag | can somebody help me with my mouse? |
| 02:59.21 | silly_girl22 | hi |
| 02:59.29 | lunitik | bbelt16ag: maybe... if you tell us the issue... |
| 02:59.34 | bbelt16ag | i will geesh |
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| 02:59.47 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: quick! |
| 02:59.51 | bbelt16ag | i have been using a usb mouse and now i switched to a ps/2 and its complaing and wont start X |
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| 02:59.55 | gravity | silly_girl22: You may just want to use FC6 then. |
| 02:59.58 | bbelt16ag | i need my config file looked at |
| 03:00.03 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: /dev/input/mice |
| 03:00.06 | bbelt16ag | i am also using a ps/2 |
| 03:00.11 | bbelt16ag | KVM switch |
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| 03:00.22 | bbelt16ag | so i can use both boxes at the same time on one keyboard |
| 03:00.22 | lunitik | gravity: or Ubuntu Edgy :) |
| 03:00.25 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 03:00.32 | gravity | lunitik: Whatever |
| 03:00.53 | gravity | silly_girl22: Anyway, if you do a partial upgrade from etch and have problems, please don't report them. I've had enough of such bogus reports already |
| 03:01.00 | silly_girl22 | its hard to choose a distro with all the good ones out there |
| 03:01.08 | karsten | bbelt16ag: Did you switch and reboot, or hot switch? |
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| 03:01.15 | karsten | bbelt16ag: PS/2 mice aren't hot-pluggable. |
| 03:01.17 | bbelt16ag | my config file is in #flood for who ever need its |
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| 03:01.19 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 03:01.22 | gravity | Anyway... have fun. |
| 03:01.23 | bbelt16ag | i know |
| 03:01.25 | bbelt16ag | i did try rebooting |
| 03:01.27 | bbelt16ag | not working |
| 03:01.30 | bbelt16ag | X crashes |
| 03:01.35 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: which device ? |
| 03:01.35 | ahlfors | bbelt16ag, When X craps out, what does it say? |
| 03:01.35 | bbelt16ag | says cant find pointer |
| 03:01.35 | karsten | bbelt16ag: mdetect IIRC is the name of the package. |
| 03:01.39 | bbelt16ag | Mouse |
| 03:01.51 | abrotman | /dev/input/mice |
| 03:01.51 | bbelt16ag | i switch back to usb mouse and it works |
| 03:01.51 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 03:01.51 | karsten | bbelt16ag: ... and paste to http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 03:01.59 | bbelt16ag | abrotman: ok |
| 03:01.59 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 03:02.09 | karsten | abrotman: /dev/input/mice or /dev/psaux ? |
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| 03:02.20 | karsten | abrotman: ... for PS/2 w/ 2.6.x kernel? |
| 03:02.26 | abrotman | karsten: with 2.6 .. shodln't matter |
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| 03:02.33 | abrotman | assuming you load the mousedev module |
| 03:02.33 | lunitik | karsten: I think either will work... |
| 03:02.37 | karsten | OK. |
| 03:02.44 | lunitik | abrotman: mousedev + psmouse |
| 03:02.45 | bbelt16ag | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3956 |
| 03:02.47 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 03:02.53 | mosty | i am having trouble with ldap auth in apache2, it doesn't recognise LDAP_Server in my .htaccess file ("invalid command"). i have auth_ldap.load in the mods-enabled dir, and have restarted apache2. what could be wrong? |
| 03:03.02 | abrotman | lunitik: should load psmouse if needed |
| 03:03.06 | bbelt16ag | now i got two machines i gotta do it on |
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| 03:03.32 | f00 | hello guys |
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| 03:03.34 | karsten | bbelt16ag: ITYW: Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" |
| 03:03.56 | karsten | bbelt16ag: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg would be good. |
| 03:04.05 | wireddd | well reinstalling from the buissness card etch cd was painless |
| 03:04.07 | karsten | bbelt16ag: xorg or xf86? |
| 03:04.11 | abrotman | doesn't change that ps2 mice still can't be hotplugged |
| 03:04.18 | abrotman | karsten: shouldn't matter |
| 03:04.19 | bbelt16ag | i cant change my card stuff |
| 03:04.28 | karsten | bbelt16ag: Reboot |
| 03:04.30 | bbelt16ag | it fcks it up i have to reinstall each time, dont ask.. |
| 03:04.38 | bbelt16ag | xf86 |
| 03:04.40 | karsten | bbelt16ag: Your mouse won't be detected until you do. It's handled in BIOS. |
| 03:04.46 | bbelt16ag | ... |
| 03:04.59 | karsten | abrotman: Right? |
| 03:05.00 | bbelt16ag | i did try to reboot( i havent changed anything yet |
| 03:05.01 | lunitik | bbelt16ag: with that config... just change the Device line to /dev/input/mice :/ |
| 03:05.05 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 03:05.15 | bbelt16ag | that is what i wanted to know was there anythine else i needed to change.. |
| 03:05.16 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 03:05.24 | karsten | bbelt16ag: 3rd time and last time: you can't hot-plug a PS/2 mouse. Reboot for it to be detected. |
| 03:05.33 | Wyzard | Some systems support PS/2 hotplugging, oddly |
| 03:05.35 | Wyzard | but most don't |
| 03:05.37 | abrotman | karsten: for a ps2 to be recognized ? |
| 03:05.41 | Wyzard | you actually have to turn the computer completely off, IIRC |
| 03:05.54 | karsten | abrotman: Unless it's travelling incognito, yes. |
| 03:05.55 | abrotman | Wyzard: few .. it's not normal or to be expected |
| 03:05.58 | f00 | what is the kernel-image available in current, please? |
| 03:06.02 | bbelt16ag | i know that kar |
| 03:06.02 | FernandoMM | Hello, could someone tell me can i syncronize a file in real time between two machines? |
| 03:06.13 | Wyzard | abrotman: I know... though it seems to be more common on laptops, from the few where I've tried it |
| 03:06.17 | abrotman | rsync run per minute :) |
| 03:06.17 | f00 | I mean, what's its version |
| 03:06.19 | karsten | FernandoMM: Drop $60k on NetApp. |
| 03:06.20 | syntaxx | how can i remove a package with with all their dependencies included? |
| 03:06.33 | abrotman | Wyzard: because that's where it's really useful |
| 03:06.34 | Wyzard | abrotman: The desktop system I'm using now (Asus A7V motherboard) supports it, though |
| 03:06.46 | rxed | how do I dpkg my own kerne sources? |
| 03:06.50 | karsten | syntaxx: Removing a package removes its deps, through aptitude. Otherwise: debfoster, deborphan. |
| 03:06.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: maybe it's more prominent in more recent usb-laden mobos |
| 03:06.59 | syntaxx | karsten: thanks |
| 03:07.00 | FernandoMM | abrotman: but that wouldn't be realtime right? |
| 03:07.03 | karsten | !tell rxed about kp |
| 03:07.21 | abrotman | FernandoMM: the BIOS |
| 03:07.22 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:07.44 | karsten | FernandoMM: unison is about the closest you're going to get. |
| 03:07.54 | karsten | !tell FernandoMM about unison |
| 03:07.57 | abrotman | FernandoMM: in reality .. the bios should recognize a device is giving feedback on a port .. but not all do |
| 03:07.58 | f00 | plase someone answer this |
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| 03:08.08 | karsten | abrotman: You got the right question / nick here? |
| 03:08.11 | f00 | does some kernel-image on debian currently contain fuse.o? |
| 03:08.13 | FernandoMM | karsten: but i would have to run it every second right? |
| 03:08.16 | abrotman | karsten: i blame the beer! |
| 03:08.19 | Wyzard | abrotman: I think it has something to do with the device, actually... the mouse I originally used with this system couldn't do it, and when it broke and Logitech sent me a replacement, it had a newer revision of the cordless receiver and that did work |
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| 03:08.23 | karsten | !tell f00 about search |
| 03:08.34 | karsten | f00: 2.6.17 or thereabouts |
| 03:08.40 | abrotman | Wyzard: you think it's mouse dependent instead of mobo ? |
| 03:08.42 | f00 | people |
| 03:08.42 | ruben | Hi, I am using freebsd, but, what is the equivalent command in linux? |
| 03:08.43 | ahlfors | FernandoMM, you probably want either a single filesystem accessible via NFS, or multiple filesystems synched every so often with unsion or rsync |
| 03:08.46 | mosty | FernandoMM, use a network fs |
| 03:08.46 | f00 | I do not run debian |
| 03:08.48 | Wyzard | abrotman: probably both |
| 03:08.49 | ruben | route add 172.16.0.0/12 172.16.100.1 ?? |
| 03:08.56 | Wyzard | abrotman: but it's definitely at least mouse-dependent |
| 03:08.57 | lunitik | f00: linux-image though... not kernel-image |
| 03:09.04 | abrotman | Wyzard: i wouldn't suspect the mouse would have anything to do with it |
| 03:09.10 | f00 | I'm just writing an article for a journal who wants debian as the default distro |
| 03:09.11 | karsten | f00: packages.debian.org |
| 03:09.12 | abrotman | but .. god only knows .. or karsten |
| 03:09.15 | abrotman | same thing! |
| 03:09.17 | Wyzard | Neither would I, but I've seen it happen |
| 03:09.22 | f00 | karsten: |
| 03:09.25 | f00 | yes dear |
| 03:09.32 | abrotman | dear .. hehe |
| 03:09.41 | ruben | any idea? |
| 03:09.48 | f00 | did you see it's about 30 pages the list of files for kernel-image? |
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| 03:09.59 | FernandoMM | ahlfors: mosty i have read about drbd, did you tried to use it on debian? |
| 03:09.59 | abrotman | f00: newer 2.6 kernels have FUSE in them .. it's not a debian-specific thing |
| 03:10.08 | rxed | how do I dpkg my own kernel sources? |
| 03:10.09 | karsten | f00: worse, it's now linux-image ;-) |
| 03:10.17 | mosty | FernandoMM, i mean nfs or samba |
| 03:10.22 | karsten | f00: linux-image-2.6.18 |
| 03:10.22 | ahlfors | FernandoMM, never heard of it! |
| 03:10.23 | f00 | would you care? "find /lib/modules -name 'fuse*'" |
| 03:10.54 | karsten | f00: What journal? |
| 03:11.09 | FernandoMM | ahlfors: mosty thanks for the answer, i'll try to use nfs |
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| 03:11.12 | f00 | oltrelinux.com/ |
| 03:11.26 | ahlfors | FernandoMM, you're mosty welcome |
| 03:11.29 | bbelt16ag | allright rebooting we will see if it works |
| 03:11.43 | f00 | packages.deb can't find linux-image |
| 03:12.18 | f00 | abrotman: I was simply wondering if debian would built it into their binary release |
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| 03:12.35 | abrotman | f00: for sarge .. it's not .. for etch.. i believe it is |
| 03:12.57 | f00 | thank you |
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| 03:13.14 | abrotman | f00: best way to find out .. isntall etch :) |
| 03:13.17 | karsten | f00: Yeah, good point from abrotman. Are you interested in current stable (sarge) or testing (etch)? |
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| 03:13.55 | abrotman | i'm 99% sure that sarge doesn't have fuse builtin .. but it is a package you can get easily |
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| 03:14.09 | f00 | karsten: -stable having something new into it would impress me so much :P |
| 03:14.25 | karsten | f00: It pretty much definitionally won't. |
| 03:14.33 | rxed | how do I dpkg kernel_sources? |
| 03:14.42 | abrotman | !kp |
| 03:14.42 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 03:14.48 | f00 | okay |
| 03:14.52 | karsten | rxed: You've been told. 2 or 3 times now. |
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| 03:15.02 | rxed | karsten: I guess I missed it. |
| 03:15.07 | abrotman | !info fuse-source sarge |
| 03:15.14 | dpkg | fuse-source: (Filesystem in USErspace (source for kernel module)), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.2.1-4sarge2 (sarge), Packaged size: 78 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
| 03:15.15 | karsten | f00: Sarge is still 2.4. kernels, 2.4.27 is latest, I think. |
| 03:15.28 | abrotman | sarge has a 2.6.8 also |
| 03:15.31 | f00 | so could someone using etch, without having built a custom kernel, run a "find /lib/modules -name 'fuse*'" plz? |
| 03:15.40 | abrotman | !info fuse-source sarge |
| 03:15.42 | dpkg | fuse-source: (Filesystem in USErspace (source for kernel module)), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.2.1-4sarge2 (sarge), Packaged size: 78 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
| 03:15.44 | f00 | if it comes out with something, we get the answer |
| 03:15.54 | karsten | How do I search for packages only in a specific release of Debian (eg: sarge, etch) if I've got multiple release in sources.list. |
| 03:16.15 | abrotman | you can't |
| 03:16.17 | Coweater | f00: /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-k7/kernel/fs/fuse/fuse.ko |
| 03:16.21 | Wyzard | f00: /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/kernel/fs/fuse/fuse.ko |
| 03:16.22 | silly_girl22 | <lunitik> Debian is fine for servers... I have a server running it... but as a Desktop, it can't compete with Ubuntu. |
| 03:16.22 | silly_girl22 | <lunitik> Good idea! |
| 03:16.23 | silly_girl22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.34 | f00 | Coweater and Wyzard : thank you so much. |
| 03:16.41 | lunitik | abrotman: search doesn't take -t ? |
| 03:16.45 | karsten | f00: /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/kernel/fs/fuse/fuse.ko |
| 03:16.57 | Wyzard | silly_girl22: That's OK, because Debian isn't focued on being a desktop distribution |
| 03:17.03 | abrotman | f00: so it seems .. fuse is available as an add-on package for sarge .. builtin for etch |
| 03:17.05 | Wyzard | silly_girl22: That's pretty much why Ubuntu exists |
| 03:18.07 | Wyzard | well, that too |
| 03:18.20 | Wyzard | but being Debian-based but desktop-oriented is Ubuntu's main defining characteristic |
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| 03:18.40 | lunitik | karsten: it exists because Shuttleworth had too much money, after selling a prior business that was open source... and wanted to give back... |
| 03:19.01 | abrotman | more of a service .. not so much to do with OSS |
| 03:19.27 | f00 | thank you people. |
| 03:19.37 | lunitik | abrotman: code crossed hands... I can't even remember the name of the business though... |
| 03:19.49 | abrotman | lunitik: thawte |
| 03:19.58 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: thawte isn't open source... |
| 03:19.58 | enouf | f00 : same for 2.6.16.2-686 |
| 03:19.59 | abrotman | iirc anyways |
| 03:20.06 | lunitik | abrotman: ahh... yes! my memory sucks... we discussed this earlier :) |
| 03:20.19 | abrotman | lunitik: thawte wasn't OSS .. it was services |
| 03:20.33 | abrotman | !thawte |
| 03:20.40 | abrotman | well .. worth a shot :) |
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| 03:20.48 | karsten | lunitik: I like my answer better ;-) |
| 03:21.25 | lunitik | karsten: hah |
| 03:21.29 | abrotman | lunitik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thawte |
| 03:21.40 | lunitik | abrotman: yeah... I just read that... :) |
| 03:21.47 | abrotman | ok |
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| 03:22.23 | abrotman | lunitik: short article .. but decently accurate |
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| 03:22.51 | silly_girl22 | audios losers. im going to bed |
| 03:23.28 | nvz | heh |
| 03:23.35 | amphi | 'audios'? |
| 03:23.42 | nvz | you could be chuckling about audios |
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| 03:23.50 | MiK[3]Zz | *heh* |
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| 03:23.56 | nvz | took me about 4 loops on that statement to grok it |
| 03:24.03 | lunitik | nvz: I read typo too well :( |
| 03:24.05 | Wyzard | hmm, I didn't know Verisign owned Thawte |
| 03:24.13 | nvz | after the first 3 I considered it wasnt english |
| 03:24.16 | Wyzard | I guess I should stop thinking of them as an alternative to nasty Verisign |
| 03:24.25 | lunitik | nvz: haha |
| 03:25.38 | nvz | first time I threw a parse error, second time I found no dictionary match, third time I considered other languages slangs and abbreviations. then the 4th time I understood |
| 03:26.10 | ahlfors | Yeah, if people hate your company, just buy one whose name isn't sullied and try to direct business there |
| 03:26.14 | rxed | abrotman: how do I grab kernel headers with dpkg? |
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| 03:26.19 | lunitik | [20:16] <lunitik> abrotman: search doesn't take -t ? <-- no one answered this? |
| 03:26.20 | nvz | I swear learning how operating systems and computers works helps me understand better how my mind works |
| 03:26.26 | nvz | if only it were as easy to program |
| 03:26.52 | nvz | its one thing to spot an error in one of your minds functions.. its another to fix it |
| 03:27.06 | lunitik | nvz: I'd settle for a delete key for some memories... |
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| 03:27.25 | nvz | my memory mapper is a bit fucked up.. but I think the sacrifices I make are good ones |
| 03:28.08 | nvz | I use deduction a lot to make up for things I dont bother remembering or I completly ignore |
| 03:28.23 | nvz | which is why I will often generate obfusticated methods |
| 03:28.40 | nvz | but it helps me when it comes to remembering significant datas |
| 03:28.40 | Wyzard | 802.11 for the brain would be nice :-) |
| 03:29.16 | nvz | lunitik: yeah no kidding once its stored its hard to erase |
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| 03:29.44 | rxed | how do I build my own kernel source headers? |
| 03:29.51 | lunitik | nvz: I seem to have a bug in my definitions of "significant data"... most annoying :( |
| 03:29.55 | nvz | lunitik: things I cant help but remember are things I type or such.. like my passwords.. I cant tell people what they are, but I know the keystrokes |
| 03:31.01 | lunitik | nvz: my fingers have a mind of there own... typing real words I didn't even mean to say... strange how that happens... |
| 03:31.16 | nvz | lunitik: pretty much everything is insignificant to me. I cant switch gears well.. when I get to doing one thing its not easy for me to switch I sort of load a template like an adlib and wait for the right things to complete it and ignore everything else |
| 03:33.57 | nvz | I think its funny like when I see people try remember a phone number and they keep saying it over and over.. my mind ignores redundancies the number you tell me isnt going to be remembered perminantly.. thats what phone books are for and I know that.. so I will only remember it long enough to record it and forget freeing my swap for other things |
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| 03:34.13 | nvz | people will store temp data in perminant memory, its rediculous |
| 03:34.43 | Wyzard | Saying it over and over is a way to remember it short-term too |
| 03:35.14 | nvz | I never did that even on tests in school I can get it the first time and choose to remember it for 5 minutes or forever |
| 03:35.33 | nvz | I'm going to stop listening and move on to other processes after the first |
| 03:35.54 | nvz | I am very good with remembering even random data. |
| 03:36.20 | Wyzard | interesting |
| 03:36.43 | nvz | I still cant forget like serial numbers I've used in my windows days.. codes to video games.. |
| 03:37.02 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 03:37.06 | nvz | Mike Tyson punch out on NES? havent played it in like 15 years.. 007-373-5963 is tyson |
| 03:37.16 | nvz | download it, Im serious :P |
| 03:37.16 | Wyzard | I remember random miscellaneous things that I didn't intend to remember long-term |
| 03:37.30 | Wyzard | like SLXPLOVS, the game-genie code for (IIRC) infinite lives in Mario 3 |
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| 03:38.34 | Wyzard | but just the other day, I went downstairs to get three CDs from a drawer, and in the process of looking for the first two, I forgot what the third one was that I'd wanted |
| 03:39.00 | nvz | I got even my library card number, social security number, drivers lisc, credit card.. all off the top of my head. |
| 03:39.06 | nvz | yet I dont know my phone number |
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| 03:39.19 | nvz | have a hard time remembering my address :P |
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| 03:39.45 | Wyzard | It's only recently that I've been able to consistently remember my own cell number |
| 03:39.54 | Wyzard | since I don't call myself on the phone, I don't encounter it all that often |
| 03:40.31 | weilawei | hi.. question: i havent been in debian in a while, just got my usb54gv4 working with the ralink driver.. but now i go to update debian.. ive got it set to testing repositories. it says its going to remove gnome and gnome-desktop-environment. however, it says its going to install all these gnome-* packacges. will gnome still work if i do the update? |
| 03:40.32 | nvz | yeah I use voice dial I dont know anyone's number |
| 03:40.42 | liable | wtf are t,d and f phone numbers? i have a business card i am stuffed if i know what number to ring |
| 03:41.04 | liable | oh, there was an m too, but i figured that out on my lonesome :) |
| 03:41.12 | Wyzard | 'f' is probably fax |
| 03:41.14 | nvz | weilawei: yeah names and stuff change |
| 03:41.31 | liable | ah, yeah, dunno why i couldnt figure that.. |
| 03:42.20 | weilawei | nvz, thanks :) |
| 03:42.48 | sparr | Do TAR files have a header with a list of the contents? |
| 03:42.57 | Wyzard | no |
| 03:43.34 | Wyzard | You have to scan the whole archive to get all the filenames |
| 03:43.40 | stew | sparr: you can't because if you add more to the end of the tape, you can't overwrite a header which is farther back on the tape |
| 03:43.46 | nvz | even with my guitar I prefer to remember the formula than the chords you know what a scale is and the degrees for chords you can make any chord why memorize hundreds of em :P |
| 03:43.55 | sparr | damn |
| 03:44.11 | sparr | found a 290GB archive that MIGHT contain the file im looking for, but i didnt want to download the whole thing to find out |
| 03:44.12 | stew | which is also why a tar can have the same file twice |
| 03:44.14 | sparr | guess ill have to |
| 03:44.17 | Wyzard | lol |
| 03:44.20 | nvz | dont waste your memory, its got to end somewhere :P and like you said once you remember something useless you cant forget |
| 03:44.23 | liable | yikes |
| 03:45.12 | nvz | look at my spelling I remembered so many incorrect spellings I can't pick the right one out of the bunch :P |
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| 03:47.08 | Rusty1 | sparr: if you can use ark, and browse to the archive's url, you migth be able to extract only what you need |
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| 03:49.24 | Wyzard | hmm... that's tricky, but possible |
| 03:50.06 | Wyzard | depends on whether it supports "seeking" on HTTP files |
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| 03:51.08 | nvz | 290GB damn |
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| 03:52.46 | Alt-Ox | what directories MUST be monted on root partition? (/bin, /sbin, /lib, /dev, /etc), another one? |
| 03:53.11 | mosty | probably /etc too |
| 03:53.17 | nvz | o.o |
| 03:53.18 | Wyzard | and probably /var |
| 03:53.20 | Alt-Ox | i said it =] |
| 03:53.47 | Alt-Ox | "var"? i dont think so... |
| 03:53.48 | karsten | Alt-Ox: /bin /sbin /etc /dev |
| 03:53.57 | mosty | no, /var can be on a non-root fs |
| 03:54.05 | Alt-Ox | karsten, "lib" too, doest it? |
| 03:54.10 | karsten | Alt-Ox: /tmp as a directory might be used for temporary storage prior to /tmp being mounted. |
| 03:54.13 | karsten | Alt-Ox: Yeah. |
| 03:54.22 | Alt-Ox | i belive: bin sbin lib dev etc |
| 03:54.26 | karsten | Alt-Ox: /bin /sbin /etc /dev /lib |
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| 03:54.29 | Alt-Ox | =] |
| 03:54.29 | mosty | Alt-Ox, i think you had it right the first time |
| 03:54.36 | karsten | Alt-Ox: Possibly /lib64, which has just shown up. |
| 03:55.16 | Alt-Ox | okz, thanks guys |
| 03:55.41 | Rusty1 | is /boot already taken care of? |
| 03:56.19 | mosty | rusty1: /boot doesn't need to be on the root fs |
| 03:56.41 | karsten | Rusty1: /boot doesn't have to be available except at boot, or when updating your boot configuration / kernel. |
| 03:56.59 | Rusty1 | no, but wondered if it was a single partition install |
| 03:57.16 | ahlfors | I used to put /boot on a separate partition, now I just lump it all together |
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| 03:58.30 | karsten | ahlfors: I just put it on the other foot. |
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| 04:00.05 | karsten | Rusty1: Resistance is footile! |
| 04:00.28 | Rusty1 | the pain, the pain |
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| 04:02.19 | ahlfors | I guess it isn't really a pun, right? boot refers to bootstrap, as in "pick yourself up by your bootstraps", meaning starting up by an internal mechanism rather than external intervention |
| 04:02.32 | ahlfors | so boot really does refer to the thing you put on your feet |
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| 04:02.45 | karsten | ahlfors: ... or other strap-ons. |
| 04:02.52 | ahlfors | Now if somebody breaks out a reference to das Boot, we're in business |
| 04:02.54 | levander | Is all there supposed to be to doing automatic authentication for ssh login that you generate the public key, and put it in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, then put the generated private key where your ssh client can find it? I did that with puttygen and putty on an XP box to connect to my Ubuntu box, it doesn't work. The only error message I can find is where the putty terminal says, "Server refused our key." |
| 04:03.02 | karsten | ahlfors: ... but yes, that's the etymology. |
| 04:03.27 | rpc- | hm how do you disable SSL in apache2? i tried removing ssl.conf from mods-enabled but it keeps listening after restart |
| 04:03.33 | karsten | levander: putty uses a different key format than openssh, IIRC. |
| 04:03.54 | rpc- | or i would even just change the SSL port instead |
| 04:04.17 | karsten | levander: I'm not sure if that's the private key only, or both private and public. There's a converter utility somewhere. |
| 04:04.32 | karsten | levander: But in theory, the process you've described is what you need. |
| 04:05.27 | levander | karsten: okay, thanks. I just looked at the docs again for putty. All it says is, "Generates private key in correct format for the server." It doesn't say which ssh server it's referring to. |
| 04:05.34 | levander | karsten: I'm going to search for that converter. |
| 04:05.52 | ahlfors | karsten, it may be a format problem. There are two leading formats for keys, "OpenSSH" and "SSH". |
| 04:05.57 | karsten | levander: http://www.google.com/search?q=putty+openssh+key+converter&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 04:05.59 | ahlfors | I think ssh-keygen converts between them. |
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| 04:06.24 | karsten | ahlfors: correction: there's _one_ leading format, and the proprietary SSH hangers-on. |
| 04:06.48 | kill4killin | What is generally said to be the minimum memory and processor specs one should have to run KDE |
| 04:07.00 | karsten | ahlfors: Similarly, PGP Corp's PGP generates keys that GnuPG reads as expired. |
| 04:07.18 | karsten | kill4killin: 256MB or so for sane response. |
| 04:07.41 | karsten | kill4killin: You could probably run that down to 128 or 96, but it's going to get progressively worse. And more memory, up to 2-4 GB wins. |
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| 04:07.57 | ruben | Hi, what is the wat to delete this or fix it? |
| 04:07.59 | ruben | ifdown eth0:2 |
| 04:07.59 | ruben | Ignoring unknown interface eth0:2=eth0:2. |
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| 04:08.03 | ahlfors | It looks like OpenSSH is the one I like and use |
| 04:08.16 | ruben | ifconfig eth0:2 does not show anything :( |
| 04:08.24 | karsten | ruben: what's in your /etc/interfaces? What's "ifconfig -a" report as up? |
| 04:08.33 | karsten | ruben: Then the interface isn't up / defined. |
| 04:08.38 | kill4killin | well, i have a P3 with 128MB memory, what WM do you think i could get away with that is closests to KDE? |
| 04:09.00 | karsten | kill4killin: XFCE4 |
| 04:09.01 | ahlfors | kill4killin, you might try xfce |
| 04:09.23 | ahlfors | karsten, jinx |
| 04:09.27 | karsten | kill4killin: lots of other alternatives. wmaker, fluxbox, icewm are among the lighter, more full-featured ones. |
| 04:09.35 | karsten | ahlfors: Beat you. |
| 04:09.46 | ruben | okey, works now than :) |
| 04:10.05 | amphi | kill4killin: or openbox |
| 04:10.13 | kill4killin | thanks |
| 04:10.18 | rpc- | wicked... i did a2dismod ssl and after reload it still listens for ssl... |
| 04:10.25 | rpc- | any clues? |
| 04:10.27 | kill4killin | im limited on disk space too, only 6GB to work with here :'( |
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| 04:11.19 | karsten | kill4killin: 256 MB for a minimal install, 2 GB for a minimal desktop. With 6 GB you can get a full install but I'd keep partitioning to a minimum. |
| 04:11.39 | karsten | kill4killin: If you've got *any* spare cash, disk is *really* cheap at about 50c/GB. |
| 04:11.39 | amphi | kill4killin: 6GB is loads ;) |
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| 04:11.53 | karsten | amphi: It's really not. |
| 04:11.56 | kill4killin | haha |
| 04:12.08 | ahlfors | kill4killin, it's OT but you can get a P3 500mhz with 256mb ram and 10G hd for $50 |
| 04:12.13 | insmod | karsten: what ? lol!! 2 GB for a minimal desktop |
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| 04:12.35 | karsten | insmod: By the time you factor in /var and a bit of space for home, yes. |
| 04:12.39 | kill4killin | ahlfors: thats basically what i have with less ram |
| 04:12.57 | kill4killin | it actually has 10GB worth of HDDs but i only have one hooked up ATM |
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| 04:13.42 | insmod | karsten: that' not desktop -- desktop is blackbox or windowmaker -- but i get ya i would say a lto less still |
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| 04:13.53 | karsten | I'm running with 15,511,413 KB used ATM. Call it 16 GB. |
| 04:14.02 | ahlfors | kill4killin, I guess what I'm saying is that unless you're really strapped for cash you can get a serious upgrade for < $100. The time you spend tuning for a small memory / small HD system to make it usable might be worth that much. |
| 04:14.09 | karsten | 10 GB is /home, so 5 GB for the rest of the system. |
| 04:14.21 | karsten | kill4killin: I'm with ahlfors on that. |
| 04:14.30 | kill4killin | yea im working on that |
| 04:14.47 | karsten | kill4killin: Though I'd put out for a 20-100 GB HD and worry a lot less about space. |
| 04:14.49 | kill4killin | iv been scowering all over [H]ardOCP for a deal on some cheap stuff |
| 04:14.59 | kill4killin | yea working on that too |
| 04:15.20 | ahlfors | http://www.retrobox.com/rbwww/home/search_menu.asp |
| 04:15.41 | ahlfors | buy PCs thrown out by corporations. They have hundreds of P3s for < $100 |
| 04:15.43 | kill4killin | :D |
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| 04:15.53 | karsten | kill4killin: How far are you from atlanta? |
| 04:16.24 | kill4killin | about 10 minutes |
| 04:17.04 | metrics | Anyone got an idea when the 2.0.4~rc3 openoffice packages are going to hit sid? |
| 04:17.08 | karsten | kill4killin: Laptiops for $425 and up |
| 04:19.43 | joejaxx | anyone around that is a knowledgable maintainer? |
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| 04:25.36 | NaufraGo | which is the most common, maybe the best dvd burning application? |
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| 04:26.48 | moparisthebest | is there a way to connect via ssh through a proxy server? |
| 04:27.46 | NaufraGo | is there anybody available for help? |
| 04:28.06 | SubStack | moparisthebest: yes |
| 04:28.34 | SubStack | most clients support proxies |
| 04:28.36 | moparisthebest | how would I go about doing that SubStack ? or can you point me someplace I can learn about it? |
| 04:28.57 | moparisthebest | what kind of proxy would I have to use? socks4/5? |
| 04:29.19 | SubStack | you could use socks4, socks5, or http connect |
| 04:29.38 | SubStack | but most clients only support the first two |
| 04:29.54 | moparisthebest | ok, now I have to find a working socks proxy, which can be hard :( |
| 04:30.10 | moparisthebest | I left a firewall running on my dedicated server because I had been ddosed |
| 04:30.15 | insmod | NaufraGo: to do what? |
| 04:30.16 | moparisthebest | and apparantly it just banned me :P |
| 04:30.36 | moparisthebest | Im an idiot :/ |
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| 04:31.26 | NaufraGo | to burn a data dvd |
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| 04:31.56 | NaufraGo | write, anyway |
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| 04:32.50 | insmod | NaufraGo: just data ? growisofs is the backend as a front i like k3b |
| 04:33.30 | insmod | NaufraGo: you can just use growisofs as well |
| 04:33.41 | NaufraGo | well, I'd like to burn movies, audio, cds, data dvds... you know |
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| 04:34.23 | insmod | NaufraGo: does all |
| 04:34.38 | NaufraGo | great, let's try it |
| 04:35.35 | insmod | NaufraGo: you can try a prog i wrote for the movies http://home.cogeco.ca/~smacneil1/ |
| 04:35.46 | lunitik | NaufraGo: if you're using GTK... I recommend bonfire |
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| 04:36.16 | lunitik | NaufraGo: kinda a pain loading all qt libs for one app... every time you load that app |
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| 04:36.46 | lunitik | (it offers everything k3b does... ) |
| 04:37.29 | NaufraGo | so, I can do everything with bonfire, as well as growisofs? |
| 04:38.06 | lunitik | NaufraGo: both k3b and bonfire use cdrecord/growisofs/cdrao(?) etc... |
| 04:38.21 | insmod | lunitik: looks cool |
| 04:38.25 | lunitik | NaufraGo: bonfire and k3b just give you pretty buttons instead of using cli |
| 04:39.15 | WireDDD | I am having problems with my second video card and xorg. in the log it fails to read the VBIOS after the INT10 softboot. the screen does come up though, but everything on it is covered in artifacts. I am running a fresh copy of etch |
| 04:39.27 | lunitik | insmod: its supposed to be "the k3b killer"... blah... its by far the best gtk based burning app though... |
| 04:40.12 | insmod | lunitik: no deb app |
| 04:40.22 | lunitik | insmod: sid only... too new for anything else |
| 04:40.24 | WireDDD | the card is a pci voodoo4 4500 |
| 04:40.28 | lunitik | !find bonfire sid |
| 04:40.41 | lunitik | grrr |
| 04:40.58 | WireDDD | !tdfx |
| 04:40.58 | dpkg | from memory, tdfx is the 'direct rendering manager' (drm) of Banshee/Voodoo3/Voodoo5 cards from 3dfx. It can be a module or be in the kernel. It is needed to enable DRI for X4. |
| 04:41.15 | lunitik | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=bonfire&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all |
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| 04:41.29 | poonj | hey guys |
| 04:41.45 | poonj | which package do I need to format floppies using vfat? |
| 04:41.47 | lunitik | (just showing it IS in sid... the bot just hates me) |
| 04:42.06 | lunitik | poonj: mtools |
| 04:42.17 | WireDDD | is tdfx the correct driver for a 3dfx voodoo4 4500? |
| 04:42.34 | WireDDD | or drm or whatever |
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| 04:43.06 | karsten | kill4killin: Basically: aptitude install x-window-system-core discover read-edid mdetect xfce4 && dpkg force --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && aptitude install xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:43.42 | karsten | kill4killin: Pick it up here, no more PM. |
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| 04:43.49 | karsten | lunitik: sarge. Sorry. |
| 04:43.58 | lunitik | karsten: I know... just... ew |
| 04:44.03 | karsten | poonj: mkfs.vfat |
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| 04:44.17 | kill4killin | karsten: ok running that |
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| 04:44.39 | karsten | kill4killin: If you haven't run it for a while, an 'aptitude update' would have been good, but you'll find out soon enough. |
| 04:44.47 | kill4killin | lol yea |
| 04:44.50 | kill4killin | just thought of that |
| 04:44.58 | kill4killin | i ran one a few days ago, so it should be ok |
| 04:45.19 | karsten | poonj: That's in dosfstools. |
| 04:45.55 | lunitik | kill4killin: insomnia sucks |
| 04:45.59 | karsten | lunitik: I think you're right. Possibly even an install. |
| 04:46.30 | lunitik | karsten: yes... would be nice... although annoying if it were the default action (like yum does..) |
| 04:46.44 | karsten | lunitik: Quite. |
| 04:46.55 | karsten | lunitik: yum do something ... |
| 04:47.07 | karsten | lunitik: yum ... checking archive status ... |
| 04:47.17 | karsten | lunitik: yum ... checking remote mirror status ... |
| 04:47.31 | karsten | lunitik: yum ... checking state of the UN, while we're at it. |
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| 04:47.41 | karsten | lunitik: yum ... and how about them yankees.... |
| 04:47.42 | lunitik | karsten: hahah... seriously |
| 04:47.49 | NaufraGo | can I install bonfire by apt-get? |
| 04:47.50 | tuv | :D |
| 04:47.56 | karsten | lunitik: yum ... have you called your mother recently? You know she misses you. |
| 04:48.10 | karsten | !tell NaufraGo about search |
| 04:48.21 | karsten | NaufraGo: Have you tried? |
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| 04:48.29 | lunitik | karsten: yum -C(uzwaitingisannoying) install foo |
| 04:48.31 | NaufraGo | I did |
| 04:48.42 | karsten | NaufraGo: And? |
| 04:48.43 | levander | karsten: turns out, you generate the keys on the server with ssh-keygen, then you copy the private key to the client and covert it with puttygen |
| 04:48.50 | NaufraGo | nothing found |
| 04:48.54 | levander | karsten: thanks for tipping me off that the putty docs weren't complete |
| 04:48.56 | karsten | NaufraGo: My ESP is vacationing in the Bahamas, we apologize for the inconvenience. |
| 04:49.22 | karsten | levander: How ... intuitive. |
| 04:49.23 | tuv | anyone here used yum recently? i'm interested in a comparison between yum and apt |
| 04:49.31 | karsten | NaufraGo: etch or sarge? |
| 04:49.37 | NaufraGo | sarge |
| 04:49.43 | karsten | tuv: apt sorts higher. Ergo: apt is better. |
| 04:50.12 | tuv | karsten, why? how? |
| 04:50.19 | lunitik | tuv: yum is apparently using c for more things... so is getting faster... its still mostly python though... so far slower |
| 04:50.26 | karsten | tuv: May I introduce you to ironic humor. |
| 04:50.31 | karsten | ironic humor: meet tuv |
| 04:50.40 | karsten | tuv: There, you two should get along famously now. |
| 04:50.58 | kill4killin | can someone either help me, walk me through or show me where i can find how to setup my nvidia card that isnt supported by the standard x drivers |
| 04:51.26 | NaufraGo | karsten, so? |
| 04:51.32 | karsten | tuv: yum is much less full-featured than apt. They're superficially similar. Both do dependency resolution, support multiple remote archives, etc. Yum's got a nice bootstrapping feature built in (like debootstrap but in the tool itself). |
| 04:51.36 | tuv | karsten, i believe we've met before, though its/her/his face is different today |
| 04:51.45 | karsten | NaufraGo: check packages.debian.org and see if it's in sarge. I've got it in etch. |
| 04:51.52 | tuv | karsten, ironic humor that is |
| 04:52.02 | karsten | tuv: She gets around. Quite the tart. |
| 04:52.07 | karsten | tuv: One thing you must know. |
| 04:52.08 | lunitik | tuv: as karsten kinda said... yum also does far less... it basically just yells at rpm a bunch... whereas apt just uses dpkg to install things... |
| 04:52.12 | karsten | tuv: She's *not* to be trusted. |
| 04:52.49 | lunitik | tuv: yum says "rpm go get this, and this... and install... thanks"... apt says "I need to get this and this... and throw that at dpkg"... |
| 04:52.57 | karsten | tuv: The biggest difference is that apt exists as an enforcer of Debian Policy. yum exists as a cargo-cult reflection of apt. I think that itself will always limit yum. |
| 04:53.00 | lunitik | tuv: I think you'll agree the latter is better |
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| 04:53.43 | karsten | tuv: Another point is that yum (and RPM) change fundamentally between revs, in incompatible ways. Found this out trying to bootstrap a CentOS installation from a differing (prior or later, don't recall) version last year. |
| 04:53.52 | karsten | kill4killin: How goes? |
| 04:53.59 | karsten | kill4killin: Shouldn't you be studying/sleeping? |
| 04:54.14 | evilgeek | the problem arises when debian adopts stupid policies and apt starts enforcing them. |
| 04:54.22 | kill4killin | karsten: yea i know right, im screwed for it anyway, so studying wont help at this point |
| 04:54.51 | karsten | evilgeek: We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. |
| 04:54.51 | kill4killin | karsten: it is going ok, im working on the drivers at the moment |
| 04:54.51 | karsten | kill4killin: OK. |
| 04:54.51 | kill4killin | i tried to startx and it came back with some errors |
| 04:54.51 | karsten | kill4killin: What's the exam? |
| 04:54.51 | tuv | karsten, lunitik: thanks guys.. that was informative.. and social thanks to karsten :) |
| 04:54.53 | kill4killin | College Algebra |
| 04:54.54 | karsten | tuv: ;-) |
| 04:54.55 | evilgeek | karsten: we've gotten to it, though, and we seem to be very bad at crossing it. |
| 04:55.19 | karsten | evilgeek: I very nearly was working with you |
| 04:55.29 | karsten | evilgeek: /msg? |
| 04:55.38 | evilgeek | oh, you're asking me to shut up. that's cool. |
| 04:55.42 | lunitik | evilgeek: care to site examples.. I'm confused as to what you mean... |
| 04:56.04 | kill4killin | something about it not finding my mouse and some IO 104 error or somethign, whatever that means |
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| 04:56.46 | karsten | kill4killin: mdetect should help with that. What mouse modules are loaded? |
| 04:56.57 | evilgeek | lunitik: some time back, debian adopted some weird policy of having apt bitch at you unless you install some package containing the public keys for all of the debian repositories, or something along those lines. i happen to think that, while not a stupid policy, the implementation was incredibly stupid. |
| 04:57.06 | kill4killin | "/mice" i think |
| 04:57.16 | karsten | kill4killin: modprobe mousedev psmouse |
| 04:57.39 | kill4killin | ok |
| 04:57.41 | kill4killin | did that |
| 04:57.44 | NaufraGo | mm, bonfire isn't in stable |
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| 04:57.55 | kill4killin | ps2 mouse device, common for all mice |
| 04:58.07 | lunitik | evilgeek: I think that would have been fine if they would have installed debian-keyring (or whatever the package is called) as a dep of something (say aptutils for instance...) |
| 04:58.07 | tuv | NaufraGo, it's relatively new to get into stable |
| 04:58.15 | linuxNoob | really? i am haveing mice problems too |
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| 04:58.36 | kill4killin | bleh this is a first, usually its the graphics at this point for me |
| 04:58.56 | NaufraGo | what about k3b? |
| 04:59.02 | linuxNoob | well i can get it to boot, but have no mouse or keyboard |
| 04:59.12 | evilgeek | lunitik: that would be the convenient, insecure way of doing it. |
| 04:59.23 | karsten | tuv: I like trying mouse gel as well. |
| 04:59.24 | lunitik | evilgeek: why insecure? |
| 04:59.25 | tuv | NaufraGo, it should be there. it would take you the same amount of effort to install it as it would to ask about it here |
| 04:59.34 | karsten | lunitik: The mice are running the asylum! |
| 04:59.38 | kill4killin | the hackers have created a new virus that attacks linux machine paripherels |
| 04:59.38 | lunitik | evilgeek: have it only exist in security.debian.org? |
| 04:59.48 | evilgeek | what's going on? udev. that's the other thing that debian screwed up. debian should have stayed the hell away from udev. |
| 04:59.49 | kill4killin | :P |
| 05:00.04 | ahlfors | evilgeek, hey udev is pretty nice! |
| 05:00.16 | kill4killin | ok, well enough of this for tonight, im off |
| 05:00.20 | lunitik | evilgeek: meh... far more people would have complained if they hadn't used it than complain that debian does... |
| 05:00.33 | NaufraGo | I know that k3b is there.. I'm asking in order to know if that's a good application? do you see? |
| 05:00.37 | karsten | kill4killin: Night. |
| 05:00.43 | lunitik | evilgeek: for modern kernels... I've had no issues with it... |
| 05:00.43 | evilgeek | lunitik: then you're sacrificing most of the convenience of having debian-keyring for the security of not randomly compromising other systems when debian's get compromised. |
| 05:00.52 | ahlfors | evilgeek, and anyway, you don't *need* to use udev. You are free to use hotplug or whatever else you want. |
| 05:00.55 | evilgeek | lunitik: udev is a design flaw. |
| 05:01.03 | lunitik | evilgeek: how so? |
| 05:01.14 | karsten | evilgeek: No. Design is a design flaw. |
| 05:01.35 | evilgeek | you don't *need* to use udev. you are free to maintain /dev yourself. but the point of using a linux distribution is that you don't need to waste time with petty little administration tasks that you don't really care about. |
| 05:01.51 | lunitik | It was the answer to a prior design flaw... and in my opinion, it is far better thought out than devfs was |
| 05:01.54 | tuv | NaufraGo, did you actually ask that? or was i supposed to know what you intended to ask? anyway, i find it nice and use it primarily for my burning |
| 05:02.01 | karsten | evilgeek: ... and instead engaging in petty little IRC debates you _do_ care about ;-) |
| 05:02.06 | evilgeek | lunitik: suppose you use ldap or kerberos for authentication. you need udev to populate eth0, and you need udev to give your devices special permissions. |
| 05:02.14 | evilgeek | karsten: yeah! |
| 05:02.26 | wols | evilgeek: udev simply is a bad implementation currently hopefully only cause its immmature |
| 05:02.43 | NaufraGo | alright |
| 05:03.03 | evilgeek | lunitik: udev will instead create all of the devices before ldap has had a chance to start doing its thing, notice that all the user and group ids are fucked, and set them to something random instead. |
| 05:03.07 | ahlfors | evilgeek, what does udev have to do with ldap, kerberos, eth0, etc? |
| 05:03.09 | evilgeek | (i think root/root.) |
| 05:03.20 | Wyzard | eth0 isn't a device in /dev... |
| 05:03.25 | lunitik | evilgeek: if you have a better implementation in mind... take it to www.lkml.org ... |
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| 05:03.41 | evilgeek | Wyzard: point. i'm not thinking particularly straight at the moment. |
| 05:04.09 | linuxNoob | umm.. so how do you get a mouse working? |
| 05:04.22 | lunitik | number 6 |
| 05:04.25 | evilgeek | Wyzard: this is, however, an issue; you cannot have your network card until udev has done its thing, udev won't set permissions properly until ldap works, and ldap needs the ethernet card to work. i've witnessed it with my own two eyes. |
| 05:04.26 | karsten | linuxNoob: Cheese. |
| 05:04.39 | lunitik | karsten: haha |
| 05:04.42 | NaufraGo | I really don't know what the hell is the difference between testing, stable, unstabe, oldstabe.. |
| 05:05.00 | linuxNoob | er... right |
| 05:05.24 | lunitik | NaufraGo: stable doesn't change... testing is next stable... old stable is... umm... old stable, and doesn't change... and unstable is a dumping ground for devels |
| 05:05.49 | evilgeek | linuxNoob: need to modprobe usbmouse or usbhid or something, then make sure that udev actually populated /dev/input/mice. |
| 05:05.50 | lunitik | NaufraGo: experimental > unstable > testing > stable > oldstable ... |
| 05:06.02 | lunitik | NaufraGo: all software take that path in Debian |
| 05:06.10 | karsten | !tell NaufraGo about releases |
| 05:06.17 | linuxNoob | how about "Spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7." |
| 05:06.18 | lunitik | well... no... most skip the experimental part... but yeah |
| 05:06.21 | ahlfors | evilgeek, ok, that's a real issue. |
| 05:06.23 | linuxNoob | what is that about? |
| 05:06.25 | NaufraGo | so, I can't install bonfire on my sarge stable version? |
| 05:06.43 | ahlfors | evilgeek, but you know, storing info about who can access the NIC on another machine is bound to run into these issues. |
| 05:07.17 | lunitik | !tell NaufraGo about ssb |
| 05:07.18 | Wyzard | You can use the network before udev |
| 05:07.19 | tuv | NaufraGo, check backports, or apt-get.org |
| 05:07.23 | Wyzard | Just put the network driver in /etc/modules |
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| 05:07.38 | linuxNoob | right |
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| 05:08.02 | tuv | NaufraGo, if you're really desperate you can apt-pin it from testing, although that is not advisable |
| 05:08.18 | NaufraGo | ok |
| 05:08.31 | ahlfors | what I like about udev is that it keeps the kernel names in most cases, just adding aliases. That way my non udev kernel images still boot |
| 05:08.31 | lunitik | NaufraGo: DO NOT install things from testing in stable!! |
| 05:08.50 | Azio | heh |
| 05:08.58 | Azio | lunitik it doesnt always berak |
| 05:08.59 | Azio | *break |
| 05:09.00 | Azio | :P |
| 05:09.05 | lunitik | Azio: liar |
| 05:09.08 | Azio | well ok |
| 05:09.15 | NaufraGo | I'm not going to.. |
| 05:09.17 | Azio | apt + dependancies + stable + apt testing sources not good. |
| 05:09.20 | Azio | :P |
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| 05:09.26 | Azio | heh i've had to be nasty before now though |
| 05:09.28 | Azio | :< |
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| 05:09.53 | evilgeek | ahlfors: it's not about who can access the NIC. it's about who can access all of the other hardware that people want to access. like the sound card and so forth. |
| 05:09.58 | lunitik | Azio: if you NEED things from testing/unstable... and are too lazy to compile... you should just dist-upgrade |
| 05:10.05 | Azio | heh |
| 05:10.07 | Azio | ahhh |
| 05:10.09 | NaufraGo | thanks |
| 05:10.13 | tuv | lunitik, i've tried to scare him ;) |
| 05:10.26 | evilgeek | ahlfors: it's a real issue, and it's so breathtakingly trivial that it should have been a show-stopper for udev. |
| 05:10.30 | ahlfors | evilgeek, and one more time, why can't you access the NIC before udev runs? |
| 05:10.43 | Azio | lunitik is dist-upgrade purely for the preservation of dependancies issue with apt? |
| 05:11.05 | lunitik | evilgeek: irc is not the place... file a bug on the kernel or something equally useful... |
| 05:12.07 | lunitik | Azio: yes |
| 05:12.07 | Azio | ahh its a bit of a heart stopper that |
| 05:12.07 | Azio | :D im not going to be doing apt-get upgrade on that machine for a while.. ;< |
| 05:12.07 | Azio | >:D |
| 05:12.19 | ahlfors | ok, off to bed |
| 05:12.20 | evilgeek | ahlfors: i have no clue, but you can't. |
| 05:12.22 | lunitik | Azio: as apposed to just 'upgrade' which won't upgrade things that changed significantly... (different deps... in some cases different config schemes etc...) |
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| 05:12.43 | evilgeek | ahlfors: when i discovered this, i got pissed off, threw up my arms, and hit the bar instead of investigating further. |
| 05:12.45 | Azio | lunitik: either way breakage no doubt :-D |
| 05:13.02 | Azio | well... or a mess :) |
| 05:13.14 | lunitik | Azio: naw... apt is designed to ease such things... minimal breakage at most :) |
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| 05:13.20 | Azio | heheh |
| 05:13.31 | Azio | i run openmosix |
| 05:13.37 | Azio | sometimes its a bit of give and take |
| 05:13.39 | lunitik | Azio: as apposed to installing things from testing/unstable on stable.... which would result in unlimited breakage |
| 05:13.46 | Azio | harhar :O |
| 05:13.49 | Azio | don't :< |
| 05:14.07 | Azio | One node before node 6.. ended badly :( |
| 05:14.18 | Azio | next time ill be fancy and compile X with distcc or something |
| 05:14.19 | Azio | lol |
| 05:14.40 | lunitik | Its rather fun when people come here with testing/unstable libc's on a stable box... and wonder why nothing works |
| 05:15.00 | Azio | I'm setting out this morning (6am sigh..) to kernel hack the kernel timer |
| 05:15.10 | Azio | Somebody mentioned im wasting my time.. for a good reason |
| 05:15.40 | Azio | Can't remember what it was (basically wouldn't give performance gain, unless I changed the IRQ or somewhat) |
| 05:15.51 | Azio | lunitik much :> |
| 05:15.55 | Azio | but im a noob at either i suppose |
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| 05:16.06 | Azio | Im a network engineer, at best.. :P |
| 05:16.50 | tuv | Azio, do you know of an irc channel for network research discussion? |
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| 05:17.31 | Azio | tuv cant say i do im afraid |
| 05:17.39 | Azio | currently looking for a kernel hacking channel myself and inspecting #define IDLE_REBALANCE_TICK (HZ/1000 ?: 1) |
| 05:17.40 | Azio | :> |
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| 05:18.47 | Azio | im wondering what changing the kernel timer on an openmosix environment would do |
| 05:18.52 | Azio | (+/- 1000hz) |
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| 05:33.06 | karsten | Azio: Apparently be a prelude to 15 minutes of silence. |
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| 05:33.39 | reza | question: I tried to install debian on my laptop (compaq presario v2000) using the netinst mini cd, when base packages were installed, and computer restarted,it couldn't boot up to connect to network for completing the installation |
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| 05:33.57 | karsten | reza: Describe what happens at boot? |
| 05:34.06 | reza | error was a bad parameter to some function I don't actually remember, any note? |
| 05:34.26 | karsten | reza: Reboot and take note of it. |
| 05:34.35 | reza | ok |
| 05:34.35 | karsten | reza: Is the system currently booted and running, hung, or what? |
| 05:34.57 | reza | no, I'm trying to reinstall the whole thing |
| 05:35.09 | karsten | reza: Um. Highly unnecessary. |
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| 05:35.20 | reza | why? |
| 05:35.31 | Azio | karsten: I have that effect on people |
| 05:35.33 | reza | you mean I could have solved it in some other way? |
| 05:35.33 | Azio | :( |
| 05:35.41 | lunitik | tuv: 1.4.3 ... engage > play last.fm stream > custom station |
| 05:35.42 | karsten | reza: Because you've got no idea what the problem was, and likely it's a small glitch in your boot process. |
| 05:35.53 | karsten | reza: Probably. Note that there's more than one way to do it. |
| 05:36.08 | karsten | Azio: A stunner of a question. Probably want to take it to a Mosix discussion. |
| 05:36.17 | reza | karsten: ok, thank you for your help |
| 05:36.26 | karsten | reza: /msg dpkg smart questions. |
| 05:36.30 | tuv | lunitik, hmm.. 1.4.1 here. there is a play last.fm stream with lots of items, but not custom station |
| 05:36.32 | reza | karsten: I try to take note of the error if happened again |
| 05:36.45 | lunitik | tuv: yeah... its a new option there... |
| 05:36.47 | karsten | reza: In general, note what's happening when things fail to go as planned. Ask questions _before_ taking drastic actions. |
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| 05:36.56 | Azio | karsten ;-) aye |
| 05:36.56 | lunitik | tuv: my desktop is kubuntu edgy... |
| 05:37.00 | Azio | Will do, and kernel :) |
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| 05:37.26 | karsten | reza: Had an idiot here earlier who'd blone away a large part of his filesystem for no good reason, totally inappropriate to his problem. Real solution was to allocate a bit more memory to a process. |
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| 05:37.36 | karsten | s/blone/blown/ |
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| 05:37.47 | tuv | lunitik, hmm.. kubuntu more recent than testing?? strange |
| 05:37.49 | reza | karsten: another question |
| 05:37.54 | Azio | i wish i could remember who it was telling me i was vain changing the freq_hz because we'd established there was a more efficient way to "hack" the schedulers load balancing other than HZ meh :) I take it to openmosix see what they say |
| 05:37.59 | deadcat | my xorg wont enable DRI or AIGLX, i cant seem to figure it out: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/Xorg.0.log http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/xorg.conf |
| 05:38.03 | deadcat | using unstable on my ibook ppc |
| 05:38.06 | reza | I want to keep the data on my hard disk, and reinstall debian |
| 05:38.10 | tuv | lunitik, oh.. you said edge.. that's not released yet, right? |
| 05:38.20 | reza | the data I need is currently in /home directory |
| 05:38.22 | Azio | edge has been released a while tuv |
| 05:38.24 | karsten | deadcat: Yo, dude. |
| 05:38.27 | Azio | (afaik) |
| 05:38.28 | reza | but the os is ubuntu edgy |
| 05:38.31 | lunitik | tuv: releases in 2 days |
| 05:38.32 | reza | what to do? |
| 05:38.38 | deadcat | karsten: what up. (= |
| 05:39.10 | tuv | lunitik, hasn't been a while since last release, has it? June? |
| 05:39.15 | Azio | im waiting to see how good amd64 support is for our X2's |
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| 05:39.24 | Azio | (in the latest etch) |
| 05:39.43 | deadcat | karsten: i bought a road bike... very diff vs mountain bike. |
| 05:40.07 | _Gnea_ | deadcat: http://www.alessandroronchi.net/wiki/LinuxOnIBookG4 ? |
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| 05:40.18 | reza | any comment on my question? |
| 05:40.20 | nvz | deadcat: goes a little faster eh? |
| 05:40.30 | deadcat | _Gnea_: g3 |
| 05:40.35 | _Gnea_ | deadcat: hrm |
| 05:40.51 | Tallu | I was just thinking of building a server that'd run everything off ram, and just sync to hd every hour or two |
| 05:40.53 | nvz | _Gnea_: why the underline all of a sudden? |
| 05:40.57 | lunitik | 6/6... but was supposed to be 4/6 |
| 05:41.02 | deadcat | nvz: little i think. but the handle bar is very weird layout. |
| 05:41.03 | lunitik | tuv: ^^ |
| 05:41.12 | Tallu | Or is it a completely stupid idea? |
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| 05:41.24 | _Gnea_ | nvz: avoiding a stalker |
| 05:41.28 | nvz | deadcat: yeah well as long as they arent laid out on top of you, eh |
| 05:41.41 | nvz | _Gnea_: ooo you're so clever |
| 05:41.54 | deadcat | nvz: hahah.. i had to replace 3 tubes already.. in less than 48 hours. |
| 05:41.56 | _Gnea_ | nvz: heh |
| 05:42.05 | nvz | _Gnea_: do you have any idea how much of a PITA that is to complete? |
| 05:42.11 | deadcat | nvz: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/index.php?ALBUM=gallery/trek520_3529.jpg |
| 05:42.19 | _Gnea_ | nvz: then don't talk to me? lol |
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| 05:42.48 | nvz | deadcat: OOOH _THAT_ kind of street bike |
| 05:43.04 | nvz | deadcat: I thought you meant a crotch rocket |
| 05:43.05 | deadcat | nvz: ohhhhhhh... no not those (= |
| 05:43.09 | Angel-SL | hry |
| 05:43.11 | Angel-SL | hey |
| 05:43.17 | Angel-SL | who created god? |
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| 05:44.09 | nvz | Angel-SL: same person who created the alphabet like every other word |
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| 05:44.23 | Angel-SL | so who made the same person? |
| 05:44.38 | deadcat | nvz: jsut ignore that moron |
| 05:44.38 | nvz | Angel-SL: his/her parents |
| 05:44.39 | Angel-SL | and the person who made that |
| 05:44.44 | Angel-SL | and the parents? |
| 05:44.58 | wols | Angel-SL: #philosophy |
| 05:45.07 | nvz | deadcat: ;) |
| 05:45.12 | Angel-SL | nobody there |
| 05:45.25 | wols | talk with yoursefl the. We know you're good at that |
| 05:45.27 | Makenai | Hi. Is there a way of easily configuring debian to use a certain mirror from a menu - like what happens when you install? I seem to remember a command that was something like.. dpkg --configure or something like that. |
| 05:45.38 | nvz | deadcat: I was just getting to the good part... :P |
| 05:45.41 | wols | Makenai: apt-setup perhaps |
| 05:46.02 | nvz | Makenai: apt-setup but I think thats only in sarge |
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| 05:46.22 | _Gnea_ | deadcat: what color depth are you using? |
| 05:46.22 | deadcat | nvz: hahahah. |
| 05:46.32 | zeeble | makenai:apt-spy is a good tool. it gets the list of mirrors, and finds out which is fastest for you. |
| 05:46.32 | Angel-SL | if you believe in that, god created you, then who created god, the person who created god, the person who created the person who created god, the person who created the person who created the person who created the person who created god, and etc, (infinite loop) |
| 05:46.33 | Makenai | Ah, this is etch :( I can never remember the format of the lines |
| 05:46.36 | wols | tuv: you're not the only one |
| 05:46.38 | deadcat | _Gnea_: on the camera? |
| 05:46.55 | _Gnea_ | deadcat: no, for the display on the g3 |
| 05:47.08 | _Gnea_ | deadcat: 24bpp? |
| 05:47.12 | deadcat | _Gnea_: you mean 1024x786 depth? 24bit |
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| 05:47.23 | _Gnea_ | deadcat: okay, DRI won't work unless it's 16bit |
| 05:47.33 | _Gnea_ | deadcat: it's only what, 8 megs of VRAM? |
| 05:47.35 | wols | Makenai: google is your friend |
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| 05:48.32 | deadcat | _Gnea_: oh. damn. dont know about the 8 megs of VRAM. how do i check? |
| 05:48.56 | _Gnea_ | deadcat: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IBook_G2_12%22 don't be fooled by the url title |
| 05:49.08 | tuv | deadcat, ddcprobe |
| 05:49.35 | deadcat | thanks |
| 05:50.55 | deadcat | _Gnea_: i am looking that the xorg.conf file right? |
| 05:51.06 | _Gnea_ | deadcat: that will help |
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| 05:52.11 | _Gnea_ | damn, apt-listbugs broke :( |
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| 05:54.04 | mimikos | Hi, I have a "testing/unstable" system since before sarge. How can I convert it to a "stable" system ? |
| 05:54.29 | _Gnea_ | mimikos: reinstall |
| 05:54.33 | liable | by backing up and reinstalling |
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| 05:55.24 | liable | i dont get it, people always want to do that, but never question going from xp back to 98... |
| 05:55.35 | woodgrain | I'm repairing my system upgrade now. I rebooted. now I have KDE -- uh that's not what I expected. he he he. |
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| 05:56.18 | mimikos | _Gnea_, I was hoping to avoid that since I spent alot of time tuning it and the packages should really be not that many. |
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| 05:56.56 | mimikos | liable, that's a reason I use debian. You can do things that you can't with windows :) |
| 05:57.47 | mimikos | liable, _Gnea_ I really don't want to downgrade or someting. I just want to tell my system "OK from now on update only from stable " |
| 05:57.59 | woodgrain | what exactly tells my Debian testing box to boot into Gnome or KDE anyway? |
| 05:58.00 | Defty | mimikos: have you tried to simply switch to stable sources and then install newest versions or something |
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| 05:58.22 | Defty | mimikos: or just reinstall one by one those that you really need to be stable, if it works. |
| 05:58.23 | deadcat | _Gnea_: i tried setting it to 16bit. no luck. still getting AGP not available, AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 05:58.23 | liable | mimikos: oh, just set stable then, hopefully when etch releases you might be ok |
| 05:58.53 | liable | mimikos: or better, set etch in sources list |
| 05:59.16 | liable | mimikos: then you keep getting updates if stuff is newer than what you have |
| 06:00.13 | liable | mimikos: etch should be stable in december (maybe) |
| 06:00.26 | mimikos | liable, apart from /etc/sources/list do I need to change any other apt setting ? |
| 06:00.44 | liable | not unless you have pinning set up |
| 06:01.26 | mimikos | liable, I was hoping to go from "testing pre-sarge" to current-sarge |
| 06:01.53 | liable | mimikos: when was the last time you upgraded that box? |
| 06:01.53 | mimikos | how does my setup knows it's testing and not stable ? |
| 06:02.07 | tuv | mimikos, that should go smoothly.. just put sarge in your sources.list instead of whatever distribution is there |
| 06:02.15 | mimikos | liable, sortly before sarge went out |
| 06:02.25 | liable | mimikos: oh, then you should be ok |
| 06:02.32 | Defty | mimikos: i don't think it knows where the packages originate, though I wouldn't be sure. |
| 06:02.48 | Defty | anyway, why would it care. all it should care about are dependencies and versions or something |
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| 06:03.34 | mimikos | the whole thing is that I don't do a "apt-get dist-upgrade" and it goes upgrading from current testing |
| 06:03.37 | Defty | and i've yet to see a package version with 'testing' attached or something. |
| 06:03.55 | Defty | mimikos: well if you don't have it in your sources list, it can't do that. |
| 06:04.03 | liable | mimikos: put sarge in sources.list (and a security line) and upgrade |
| 06:04.32 | Makenai | Does lspci work under laptops? I notice it didn't get installed. There's lspcmcia though.. |
| 06:04.48 | cusco | Makenai: install pcitools |
| 06:04.50 | liable | mimikos: install pciutils |
| 06:05.08 | cusco | oops |
| 06:05.08 | cusco | that |
| 06:05.23 | Makenai | liable: Yeah, just found it with apt-file, I guess that means it won't be a problem installing it. Thanks :) |
| 06:05.33 | mimikos | liable, so when in text mode the "testing/unstable" line is just cosmetic ? |
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| 06:05.51 | liable | mimikos: in motd? |
| 06:06.04 | mimikos | liable, what is motd ? |
| 06:06.06 | cusco | that means you're not using sarge |
| 06:06.12 | cusco | mensage of the day |
| 06:06.12 | liable | !motd |
| 06:06.12 | dpkg | well, motd is the Message Of The Day |
| 06:06.18 | cusco | so, you read it when you login? |
| 06:06.23 | cusco | or /etc/motd |
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| 06:06.51 | mimikos | when pressing "ctrl-alt-F1" |
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| 06:07.17 | cusco | tty1 |
| 06:07.19 | mimikos | there is a line saying "Debian testing/unstable" |
| 06:07.24 | mimikos | cusco, yes |
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| 06:07.45 | cusco | so you are using etch/sid |
| 06:07.55 | wols | cusco: not necessarily |
| 06:08.00 | wols | mimikos: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 06:08.05 | wols | what's the version number? |
| 06:08.10 | liable | mimikos: note, its pre sarge, so it *is* testing. upgrade and you'll be ok |
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| 06:08.28 | mimikos | wols, not on that system atm |
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| 06:09.12 | mimikos | liable, ok. I thought that that line showed what apt will be using when upgrading |
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| 06:09.35 | wuhahahahaha | themo|ester chafe caplink811_log igraltist baroni Disputin Marsmensch Gumby sgeigerbot2 PF dansushi win_x_prts xxoxx TasteOfDeath ttyfscker oKtosiTe tenzing_ realist rgsteele wols hardlined meff sime freebsd_fan zamuro jikuty besonen_mobile Naz Xorm sabbat_ DaveLib freeflying|away aimtrainer zachhale rshakin master_of_master jansenq tapple nickm_ mein_vut i3d khermans administrator zophyx zophy t0mas idealm ko |
| 06:09.36 | wols | mimikos: only what's in sources.list will determint that |
| 06:09.41 | liable | !ops wuhahahahaha anooying bot |
| 06:09.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: liable complains about: wuhahahahaha anooying bot |
| 06:09.42 | ColdFyre | wuhahahahaha: |
| 06:09.44 | ColdFyre | wuhahahahaha: ??? |
| 06:09.52 | zeeble | Do you guys know of any personal finance software, other than gnucash? |
| 06:09.53 | wuhahahahaha | edguy_ wwallace SubStack DaBlade robin_sz xopher ElDino`3 smiler Covener XSoul ttick scanf nalioth lee seb- dbw Alam_Debian inetd__ ma3x jacek wintix NLoRD YeTr2 hans0lo cafuego Tallu Maakuth_ kill4killin omry ChrisBradley Khellendros anordby LoneWlf stranger_stone tictac PhilKC mankod abchirk Nibbier richjkl Ether_Man FernandoMM Celelibi palandir` ArkoldThos madclicker Bracki krifur inuyasharenegade JJ|Laptop |
| 06:10.01 | wuhahahahaha | ods_gift Spec[x] Yvonne Malagmyr anapivirtua_ jooopyme bipolar tonsofpcs jimmiehansson foony demio Bazy nvz mdo_ RazaMetaL glitch- dn4 bowens piyo eno-away jatt lunitik derjohn2 neqael haakonn CompWizrd ascii__ SHS` Bulldog Zeit|idle multi_io gfox dZen|n| solars _sss_ tolecnal deceptacon Kurtism der0b prolific k-man deadcat dpkg floe____ tzafrir shay ramir3z noob-saibot GecKo jerome hal1on keta toraton jes-o-m |
| 06:10.04 | wols | zeeble: SQL Ledger |
| 06:10.07 | ArkoldThos | wtf |
| 06:10.09 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 06:10.10 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.jpgclan.com/x-6c052115e74e541a] by peterS |
| 06:10.10 | *** kick/#debian [wuhahahahaha!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-69-148-26-171.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net] by peterS (you should know better) |
| 06:10.10 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 06:10.10 | ttyfscker | you mofos |
| 06:10.12 | ArkoldThos | stop highlighting -.- |
| 06:10.14 | GecKo | wtf |
| 06:10.14 | zeeble | wols: thanks. will check |
| 06:10.24 | zeeble | thanks, peterS |
| 06:10.29 | ArkoldThos | yayyyy |
| 06:10.30 | liable | thanks you |
| 06:10.32 | ArkoldThos | thanks peterS |
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| 06:10.49 | peterS | thanks liable. I was afk, wouldn't have noticed |
| 06:11.02 | liable | np, thankyou |
| 06:11.22 | peterS | cgi-irc gateways. I didn't know those were labeled specially on freenode. yay. |
| 06:11.24 | Defty | yes, thanks peterS |
| 06:11.45 | deceptacon | ghey. |
| 06:11.56 | zeeble | maybe that whole bunch should be perp banned |
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| 06:12.29 | peterS | zeeble: it's a thought. we did already nuke anonymous tor sessions, I think |
| 06:12.43 | zeeble | Good. |
| 06:12.58 | peterS | zeeble: hey wait ... I don't think I've seen _you_ for like 2 years |
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| 06:13.07 | wols | peterS: that CIG-RC on jpgclan.com is criminally misconfigured |
| 06:13.07 | lunitik | peterS: ban *cgi-irc* imo |
| 06:13.08 | peterS | where ya been, man? |
| 06:13.16 | wols | no contact either except a spamtrap |
| 06:13.43 | merlincorey | ello |
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| 06:13.52 | merlincorey | anyone have some advice for setting up a DVD player? |
| 06:13.58 | merlincorey | I seem to be not getting it to work |
| 06:14.00 | zeeble | peterS: heh yeah. Didnt IRC for a spell. All this non-tech related finance work. :) Howve you been doing? |
| 06:14.00 | deceptacon | whats the point of highlight spam? |
| 06:14.00 | peterS | lunitik: the problem is that, unlike tor, there probably _is_ a legitimate use case for certain people trying to get debian help and not having access to any other working irc clients |
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| 06:14.17 | cmatheson | the i810 manpage mentions a "MonitorLayout" option where the valid values are LFP,DFP,and TV. what is an LFP? |
| 06:14.28 | nvz | merlincorey: plug it in, turn on the tv, push teh eject button, place a dvd in the tray, press the eject button again, hit play |
| 06:14.31 | peterS | zeeble: can't complain, can't complain. they went and made me an op not long ago |
| 06:14.32 | lunitik | peterS: I can't think of any... but ok :) |
| 06:14.39 | nvz | merlincorey: might want to turn it on too |
| 06:14.48 | merlincorey | totem can't seem to find libdvdcss and xine wants to read from /dev/dvd - can I or should I maybe make a symlink to the proper device or (as I am going to do directly after asking) should I explore the xine settings some more? |
| 06:14.57 | zeeble | peterS: good :) |
| 06:15.26 | merlincorey | thanks nvz ; I never would have thought of that! |
| 06:15.48 | nvz | apperently not |
| 06:15.51 | peterS | nvz: eject to load the disc? that's like hitting Start to shut down the machine |
| 06:16.02 | ChrisBradley | :) |
| 06:16.06 | merlincorey | lol @ peterS |
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| 06:16.09 | wols | merlincorey: you should make it find libdvdcss first |
| 06:16.20 | nvz | peterS: yeah well this actually makes some sense because its ejecting the tray, and its the same if you are loading or unloading it |
| 06:16.21 | wols | merlincorey: and no, libdvdsss is not in debian |
| 06:16.36 | merlincorey | wols: I know, I already talked to dpkg and maybe I have aqcuired it |
| 06:16.39 | nvz | peterS: unless you have a front loader without a tray |
| 06:16.48 | merlincorey | wols: but for some reason, totem can't find it |
| 06:16.55 | lunitik | peterS: you can make it say "pretty button" if you want... its just text... |
| 06:17.03 | nvz | peterS: or a top loader.. then its just an open button |
| 06:17.22 | lunitik | peterS: (the Start button) |
| 06:17.23 | peterS | nvz: heh, I do have a top loader without a tray. but only on a standalone audio player, not in a computer |
| 06:17.33 | woodgrain | peterS, what was wahuwahahahaehwahwwhateverthefsckhaha doing back there? |
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| 06:17.43 | merlincorey | I seee... |
| 06:17.44 | merlincorey | :P |
| 06:18.07 | peterS | woodgrain: I have no idea. bots pull that trick from time to time - if it has any purpose other than to randomly annoy people, I haven't figured it out yet |
| 06:18.21 | nvz | peterS: and every thing you do even shutting down the pc has to start somewhere. |
| 06:18.23 | merlincorey | is there a way I can check to see where totem is looking for the lib so I can symlink it? |
| 06:18.33 | merlincorey | oooh maybe run it from a terminal |
| 06:18.44 | nvz | peterS: its not hard to figure that out with the big cartoony start button where to start doing something |
| 06:19.36 | Makenai | I'm getting a "The required compiler gcc-4.0 is not installed" warning when trying to install ndiswrapper using m-a. It looks like I have 4.1.2 instead - is it OK to continue, or do I need to match the one used to compile the kernel exactly? |
| 06:19.41 | lunitik | merlincorey: totem looks for plugins in /lib/codecs and /lib/win32 by default (well xine does...) |
| 06:19.50 | merlincorey | hmmm |
| 06:19.53 | peterS | Makenai: try 'aptitude install gcc-4.0' |
| 06:19.54 | merlincorey | mayhap I am an idiot |
| 06:20.00 | peterS | Makenai: in debian you can install multiple gcc versions at once (: |
| 06:20.03 | lunitik | merlincorey: totem is just a pretty border around xine |
| 06:20.09 | merlincorey | oh really? |
| 06:20.11 | merlincorey | I did not realize that |
| 06:20.14 | merlincorey | good to know |
| 06:20.30 | merlincorey | at any rate, it seems the system thinks the DVD drive is a CD drive |
| 06:20.33 | Makenai | Thanks, will do |
| 06:20.37 | merlincorey | mayhap I did not do something I was supposed to? |
| 06:20.42 | peterS | merlincorey: well, more precisely, totem is a pretty border around a couple of multimedia libraries. libxine is one (the 'totem-xine' package) and gstreamer is the other ('totem-gstreamer'). |
| 06:20.43 | merlincorey | but it can read the data through the file system |
| 06:20.59 | peterS | merlincorey: so, you have either totem-xine or totem-gstreamer installed, but not both |
| 06:21.08 | merlincorey | peterS: ah, now those package references make sense and how totem is merely teh dummy :) |
| 06:21.41 | peterS | the world hasn't converged on a _single_ multimedia playback library yet - here's hoping one of them eventually wins so we can forget the others |
| 06:22.14 | peterS | the problem is that libxine and gstreamer are both ugly under the hood, in different ways |
| 06:22.21 | liable | heh, untill some lame company chimes in with "teh best evar codec' |
| 06:22.22 | lunitik | peterS: looks like everyone has decided to not decide.... |
| 06:23.14 | peterS | liable: doesn't matter, people will _still_ port the codec to all of libxine, gstreamer, helix, mplayer, ... |
| 06:23.15 | lunitik | peterS: Phonon and umm... I forget what Gnome guys are trying to get into Gnome... both allow for no decision... |
| 06:23.19 | merlincorey | hmmm |
| 06:23.55 | lunitik | Although Gnome seems to like Gstreamer... so I'm somewhat confused there |
| 06:24.12 | peterS | lunitik: gstreamer is a gnome creature originally, I believe. I have no idea if it is still being pushed by gnome or if they found something shinier in the meantime |
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| 06:25.17 | nvz | its a good thing helix doesnt hang out here anymore |
| 06:25.29 | peterS | the Unicode encoding standard "UTF-16" really stands for "YouTube F'ing 16yos" |
| 06:25.37 | lunitik | peterS: I don't think it was a Gnome thing at all... they are trying to push (the software mixer formally known as polypaudio) |
| 06:25.38 | nvz | I'm sure that one would raise a brow |
| 06:25.51 | lunitik | nvz: she hates me :( |
| 06:26.03 | nvz | lunitik: I doubt that |
| 06:26.23 | peterS | I bet she hates you less than she hates me (: one learns not to worry about it |
| 06:26.32 | merlincorey | hmmm |
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| 06:26.39 | merlincorey | something is wrong, I fear |
| 06:26.40 | merlincorey | L/ |
| 06:26.41 | merlincorey | :/ |
| 06:26.42 | merlincorey | too |
| 06:26.45 | nvz | maybe she doesnt have time or interest in hating or liking any of you :P |
| 06:26.55 | zeeble | heh |
| 06:26.59 | nvz | and you try to hard to see otherwise |
| 06:27.37 | merlincorey | grrrr |
| 06:27.37 | lunitik | !enter |
| 06:27.37 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 06:28.01 | merlincorey | lunitik: were you trying to direct that at me? |
| 06:28.16 | peterS | hmmmm, naming all that punctuation is annoying and patronizing |
| 06:28.20 | lunitik | merlincorey: it was directly in reaction to you... yes |
| 06:28.22 | merlincorey | lunitik: don't be a droid, lunikens |
| 06:28.33 | lunitik | merlincorey: if I was directing it at you... I'd just: |
| 06:28.39 | lunitik | !tell merlincorey about enter |
| 06:28.48 | merlincorey | !tell lunitik about bot abuse |
| 06:28.49 | Tallu | Hmm, in xf86. "cannot display this video mode" |
| 06:28.54 | Tallu | what should i change to fix this? |
| 06:29.22 | lunitik | Tallu: presumably video mode ;) |
| 06:29.28 | lunitik | Tallu: using vesa driver? |
| 06:29.33 | Tallu | lunitik: the nvidia one |
| 06:29.45 | Tallu | I thought it was supposed to fix it by itself ;) |
| 06:29.51 | lunitik | Tallu: hmm... and its loaded correctly? |
| 06:30.04 | Tallu | well it shows in lsmod |
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| 06:30.23 | Tallu | maybe i should try with the vesa driver instead? |
| 06:30.43 | lunitik | Tallu: hmm... and what "video mode" (resolution and color bitdepth) are you trying to use? |
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| 06:30.58 | lunitik | Tallu: 'nv' ... vesa driver is ugly... |
| 06:31.10 | lunitik | Tallu: if the module is loaded though, it SHOULD work |
| 06:31.30 | Tallu | hmm ok.. well i think its trying to use the default, 800x600, but.. |
| 06:31.30 | lunitik | Tallu: nv does no cool 3d tricks though |
| 06:31.44 | Tallu | I'm just going to go and edit it by hand and hope I come out as a winner on this one ;) |
| 06:31.57 | Tallu | Doesnt matter, the computer's not for cool tricks ;) |
| 06:32.13 | peterS | !no enter is <reply>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it hard (and annoying) to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 06:32.14 | dpkg | peterS: okay |
| 06:32.47 | Tallu | peterS: sorry about that, mate. |
| 06:32.50 | lunitik | peterS: you don't like the bot rambling about grammar? :) |
| 06:33.06 | Tallu | Okay, anyways, I'm off. I'll try and fix it. Bye. :) |
| 06:33.16 | lunitik | Tallu: good luck! |
| 06:33.30 | peterS | lunitik: explaining the names of the various punctuation is just useless in this context. the point is to let people know why they shouldn't just hit enter all the time |
| 06:34.11 | nvz | peterS: good call |
| 06:34.21 | peterS | !enter =~ s/hard (and annoying)/difficult and annoying for us/ |
| 06:34.21 | dpkg | OK, peterS |
| 06:34.25 | nvz | ... always a good call |
| 06:34.30 | peterS | heh |
| 06:34.31 | nvz | or so they say |
| 06:34.44 | peterS | is it really Miller Time already? |
| 06:34.54 | nvz | its 2:34 here.. last call |
| 06:35.00 | lunitik | peterS: I guess my wording wasn't obvious enough to let ya see sarcasm? ;) |
| 06:35.18 | lunitik | nvz: lucky bastard... here... 2am is cut off |
| 06:35.45 | nvz | hmm I dont know what time it is.. I just moved here a few months ago and I don't frequent the bar |
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| 06:36.11 | peterS | lunitik: dunno quite what you mean. but things like "The enter key or carriage return..." - who the @&#^$ cares that it is also known as a carriage return? that just sounds like whoever input the factoid wanted to show off his breadth of knowledge |
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| 06:36.57 | peterS | lunitik: whereas in this town, places tend to _close_ at 2 |
| 06:36.59 | nvz | Jonny 5 need more input |
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| 06:38.08 | lunitik | peterS: same here... last call at bars is usually 1:45 ... |
| 06:38.19 | peterS | *nod* |
| 06:38.47 | bazz | i have one computer with ethernet and wireless, and another with just ethernet (both running debian). is there a guide somewhere for sharing the wireless connection by connecting them together over the ethernet ports? |
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| 06:39.30 | lunitik | Just people that are mad no one will sell them alcohol... so they have to steal it... laws are great |
| 06:39.42 | peterS | lunitik: grocery stores can't even sell beer after midnight here. not sure whether that applies to liquor stores. I very rarely buy any liquor |
| 06:40.06 | lunitik | peterS: everywhere here can sell till 2am... |
| 06:40.16 | nvz | I've probably been to 8 bars in my life in about 6 towns.. drank at maybe 5 of them probably a total of 8 times :P |
| 06:40.35 | lunitik | peterS: gas stations even have alarms... if the people ahead of you are slow, and it sounds before you hand over money... you're SOL |
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| 06:41.21 | peterS | lunitik: I suppose it's like carding people. if some place gets caught bending the rules, bye bye license to sell any of that |
| 06:41.28 | lunitik | That's ridiculously strict in my opinion |
| 06:42.19 | lunitik | peterS: carding is fine... I'm of age, so I don't mind really... but I've been that person that was in line on time, and got to the counter 5 seconds too late... and wasn't able to buy drinks |
| 06:43.12 | lunitik | peterS: people right behind me just walked out with their case... hah... but I'm on probation so can't get in trouble |
| 06:43.18 | peterS | lunitik: well, if you think about it, there are how many hours in a day? and how many of them that you _can_ buy alcohol? the point is, it _is_ possible to plan one's schedule so as to be able to buy beer |
| 06:43.19 | wols | bazz ip forwarding should do the trick. provided you set static IPs and have your routes set up right |
| 06:43.47 | lunitik | peterS: I seem to always run out at like 1:30 though... so its always a race to get more |
| 06:43.50 | nvz | lunitik: could do like Micheal Douglas does on "Falling Down" beat up the store, then pay for it and leave |
| 06:43.53 | peterS | heh |
| 06:44.05 | nvz | that movie is great :P |
| 06:44.14 | nvz | that dude makes me proud to be crazy |
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| 06:44.42 | lunitik | nvz: its still stealing... even if you give them the money before you leave... and its illegal for them to put it in the till too |
| 06:44.50 | nvz | especially cause he beats up the guys whole store over charging $0.75 for a 12oz can of soda |
| 06:44.53 | lunitik | (I had this discussion... it was dumb) |
| 06:44.55 | bazz | wols: thanks. i assume the routing info i need is to tell the ethernet only machine to use the other one as a gateway and to tell the other machine to route ethernet packets over the wireless link? |
| 06:44.56 | peterS | lunitik: also, I should note: you don't care about carding because you're of age. well, I don't care about beer buying problems because I don't happen to like beer. (: |
| 06:45.15 | wols | bazz: yes |
| 06:45.18 | nvz | then pays him $0.50 and leaves |
| 06:45.30 | lunitik | peterS: I don't like beer either... I just dislike sobriety more... and beer doesn't stay in your system long ;) |
| 06:45.47 | bazz | wols: do you happen to have a pointer to how to do that? |
| 06:45.57 | wols | bazz: man interfaces |
| 06:45.58 | lunitik | I don't like liquor though, because its too hard to gage how drunk you'll get |
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| 06:46.06 | wols | bazz: that's where you set it up |
| 06:46.10 | peterS | lunitik: I've got nothing against hard liquor, diluted with whatever is at hand. I just dislike beer. |
| 06:46.13 | nvz | I made a scene at the BP one day cause they said there was a minimum to use my Platinum Mastercard.. I was like wtf |
| 06:46.15 | wols | bazz: the wireless link, in what subnet is it? |
| 06:46.34 | nvz | you gonna tell me my money isnt good here unless I buy this much stuff.. |
| 06:46.35 | peterS | nvz: you wanted to use it to buy a 75-cent 12-ounce drink? |
| 06:46.54 | nvz | peterS: heh |
| 06:46.55 | bazz | wols: well, the netmask is 255.255.255.0 |
| 06:47.13 | peterS | nvz: they do have some overhead for processing a credit card transaction. below a certain dollar amount, it really _isn't_ worth getting your money |
| 06:47.19 | wols | bazz: the wired one needs a different subnet. E.g. I here use 192.168.1.0/24 for one and 192.168.2.0/24 for the other (but the mutlihomed machine here also acts as a real inet router witht the third NIC) |
| 06:47.32 | wols | bazz: that's OK, but not the netmask. subnet |
| 06:47.47 | bazz | wols: ahh, yeah, the wireless is 10.0.1 subnet, i'll use 192.168.0 for the eth box |
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| 06:48.29 | wols | ok |
| 06:48.31 | SpComb | well |
| 06:48.44 | SpComb | using route you can set up a route for a single -host |
| 06:48.55 | wols | SpComb: no. there is interfaces for that |
| 06:48.56 | nvz | peterS: its a convenience store they are suppose to provide me with convenience, instead they charge me above market value for shitty items, then tell me I have a minimum spending |
| 06:49.46 | peterS | and perhaps (but probably not) because 10.4.4 is easier to type than 10.0.0 |
| 06:49.48 | wols | nvz: they aren't supposed to provide you with unlimited convenience or they had free hookers |
| 06:49.54 | nvz | its not like its not costing me extra too, buying a small item on credit. |
| 06:50.19 | SpComb | you could bridge the lan interface and the wireless lan interface |
| 06:50.20 | wols | and just cause you are a economic moron, the store owner shouldn't have to be :P |
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| 06:50.50 | bazz | wols: thanks |
| 06:51.41 | nvz | wols: economic morons make good customers serving them at any point in thier financial stupidity curve assures repeated business |
| 06:51.58 | peterS | wols: unlimited convenience doesn't mean free hookers, it means free wireless with a fat uplink, handing out direct-routed ipv6 addresses |
| 06:52.17 | wols | peterS: and that is why geeks never get laid and procreate |
| 06:53.13 | peterS | wols: hey, where I was 3 hours ago, there were neither hookers nor wireless internet, just real people and loud music. I may not get out that much, but I do get out |
| 06:53.17 | wols | peterS: you forgot the free to use BF2142, WoW and other goodies |
| 06:53.30 | peterS | oh, right |
| 06:53.42 | nvz | my dad put it to me like this when I was fixing computers and didnt want to help my cousin with his pc because he's a moron... "You knew he was a moron before he needed help and you hang out with him, so you might as well do it now" |
| 06:54.07 | nvz | cant pick and choose in family and business |
| 06:54.42 | peterS | nvz: they probably don't sell individual cigarettes, either. does that bother you? |
| 06:54.56 | peterS | I mean, that you have to buy a whole pack at a time? |
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| 06:55.51 | nvz | peterS: I dont smoke, so no. Everyone knows all you gotta do is walk up to someone and say "got a smoke?" |
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| 06:56.02 | peterS | lunitik: well, but what if you only have 35 cents left on your credit card before it's maxed out |
| 06:56.08 | lunitik | Although, in saying that... I'd probably never have gotten addicted if they were sold by the cigarette... too lazy |
| 06:56.47 | lunitik | peterS: Visa is neat... they can't tell your maxed for 24 hours ;) |
| 06:56.52 | lunitik | you're* |
| 06:57.08 | nvz | its a smoker thing.. they know how you can get if you dont get one.. and since you're standing right next to them... out of personal interest they are gonna give you one |
| 06:57.46 | wols | nvz: damn junkies |
| 06:57.50 | peterS | I wouldn't know - in my 10+ years of credit card use I've never maxed on out |
| 06:57.52 | nvz | you know?! |
| 06:57.57 | liable | its tobacco, not crack.. |
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| 06:58.11 | wols | liable: there's a difference? |
| 06:58.17 | lunitik | liable: I quit crack... I can't quit cigarettes |
| 06:58.27 | lunitik | Not that I should be admitting that on IRC... but yeah |
| 06:58.46 | wols | from what I understand about scientists: it's both physically addicting |
| 06:59.06 | nvz | peterS: I do it all the time. I couldnt even setup my ebay seller account until I made a payment because it checks to see if you have $1 available |
| 06:59.15 | lunitik | wols: cigarettes are not physically addicting... not in the same sense |
| 06:59.27 | liable | wols: i was rferencing nvz's comments which to me implied that you would hram them if they didnt give you a smoke |
| 06:59.49 | lunitik | wols: you're not gonna get "the sickness" or start convulsing because you can't smoke... |
| 07:00.23 | lunitik | You don't even get headaches etc... unlike caffeine... |
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| 07:00.49 | nvz | I've seen plenty of people get violent if not at least annoying without a cig |
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| 07:01.00 | wols | dunno if I am caffeine addicted: I like black tea and espresso, but never had headaches when I didn't get it |
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| 07:01.22 | liable | i fail to see a real corellation between ciggaretes and crack in regard to violence if refused the drug |
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| 07:01.37 | bazz | wols: i don't have ip forwarding in my kernel, but i do have ipchains. will that work? |
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| 07:01.48 | nvz | not to mention I didnt say it was a fear response, could be a sympathy response |
| 07:01.49 | wols | bazz: I doubt you have ipchains |
| 07:01.55 | lunitik | nvz: its not the same though... that's mental... there are no physical issues with quitting |
| 07:02.17 | peterS | o/` Old Man Trouble - I don't mind him - you won't find him 'round my door.... I got starlight, I got sweet dreams... o/~ (that is my way of saying it's past my bedtime. later, all) |
| 07:02.23 | nvz | point is it usually works unless the persons own interest is greater.. i.e. last cig or not getting paid until friday |
| 07:02.26 | bazz | wols: i have /sbin/ipchains |
| 07:02.32 | wols | bazz: and afaik you need ip_forwarding (some /proc variable thing to turn it on IIRC) to do NAT anyways |
| 07:02.56 | liable | peterS: goodnight is much easier :) |
| 07:03.04 | wols | bazz: ipchains is for kernel 2.2 and lower only. And I really hope you don't run that |
| 07:03.21 | bazz | wols: no i don't :) |
| 07:03.25 | peterS | liable: yeah but I love 'I Got Rhythm'. been running it through my head for days |
| 07:04.11 | bazz | wols: but ipfwadm gives me: Generic IP Firewall Chains not in this kernel |
| 07:04.12 | liable | reminds me, i havent had that problem for a while. i used to constantly have songs stuck in my head for hours at a time |
| 07:04.34 | wols | bazz: ipfwadm is for 2.0 I think. What in the heck are you doing? |
| 07:04.42 | liable | of course always seem to be crappy songs, or advert jingles |
| 07:04.46 | nvz | Life's a long song |
| 07:04.46 | wols | bazz: are you using a debian kernel? |
| 07:05.16 | bazz | wols: yeah |
| 07:05.25 | wols | bazz: use iptables |
| 07:05.34 | bazz | wols: ahh |
| 07:05.47 | wols | bazz: and a debian kernel does have ip_forwarding |
| 07:06.10 | peterS | liable: hmmm, the bash.org version would be something like "I got firefox / I got bandwidth / I got my hand, who could ask for anything more" |
| 07:06.21 | liable | haha |
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| 07:07.16 | wols | bazz: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 07:07.30 | liable | peterS: lotion? :) |
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| 07:08.08 | bazz | wols: cating that file give me a 0 |
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| 07:08.23 | wols | bazz: and it should be 1 which you have to put in there |
| 07:08.30 | cydork | liable: be careful! will ya? :P |
| 07:09.02 | mikmu | anyone good with evms? I get : DosSegMgr: Found overlapping segment storage objects for the drive sda. EVMS segment sda4 overlaps segment sda_mbr at lha 0 |
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| 07:09.35 | bazz | wols: okay, it's a 1 now |
| 07:10.25 | mikmu | I can't even get into evmsn |
| 07:11.10 | bazz | wols: and then i want to set up an snat target? |
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| 07:13.56 | multi_io | is there a program like chrony that uses the time protocol (TCP port 37) instead of NTP? |
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| 07:15.52 | peterS | multi_io: a script that just synchronises your clock with a port 37 server would be pretty trivial to write. something that implements all of what an NTP client does would be a lot more involved |
| 07:16.54 | wols | bazz: it should work now. if it doesn't I'd suggest simply using ipmasq: easier that way |
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| 07:18.56 | peterS | start with netcat (/usr/bin/nc), 'od -Anone -td1', and some $(( )) shell math, then feed it to 'TZ= date -s "1970-01-01 +$N sec"' or similar |
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| 07:19.39 | peterS | (the shell math is only necessary because od doesn't seem to know how to do -td4 specifically in network byte order aka big-endian) |
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| 07:20.13 | peterS | thanks, nvz, I needed that |
| 07:20.16 | nvz | :P |
| 07:20.29 | peterS | *thump* |
| 07:20.31 | multi_io | peterS: yes, the thing is I'd like to have a script that at least doesn'T set the clock backwards |
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| 07:20.47 | nvz | I cant tell you how many times I got back out of bed just to stare at IRC |
| 07:21.08 | Mike_kayaker_ | you sick puppy |
| 07:21.09 | peterS | multi_io: I'd start with chrony, then, and just hack it a bit. port 37 is such a trivial protocol that it shouldn't be all that hard to add |
| 07:21.23 | cydork | nvz: heh. happens to me too! :) |
| 07:21.27 | nvz | I don't know what it is that makes me want to solve problems all the time |
| 07:21.39 | nevyn | hrm |
| 07:21.43 | Mike_kayaker_ | err |
| 07:21.47 | nvz | but I seriously can't sleep until I've accomplished enough |
| 07:22.00 | Mike_kayaker_ | legend |
| 07:22.07 | Mike_kayaker_ | lol |
| 07:22.12 | SpComb | ntp is far more accurate |
| 07:22.14 | nevyn | the mythtv backend system runs with it's clock 5 mins in the future |
| 07:22.31 | nevyn | this means we might miss the start of a show.. but we get the END !!! |
| 07:22.52 | Mike_kayaker_ | I am in your future |
| 07:22.56 | Mike_kayaker_ | NZ |
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| 07:23.21 | cydork | !qotd52 |
| 07:23.21 | dpkg | <orangey_> has *nobody* here tried to dock a KDE icon into gnome? <orangey_> man. This is totally a karma thing. I didn't help somebody the other day when I knew the answer just because I wanted to watch a simpsons episode instead. <orangey_> I thought buddha would understand. |
| 07:23.40 | nvz | heh |
| 07:23.51 | nvz | I never found the simpsons ammusing |
| 07:23.55 | nvz | but then again I hate tv |
| 07:23.59 | cydork | nvz: :-o ! |
| 07:24.11 | Mike_kayaker_ | family guy is ok |
| 07:24.40 | nvz | its kind of like when you wish you had met someone under different circumstances.. thats kind of how I feel when I think I might actually like something on tv |
| 07:25.29 | liable | i find the simpsons fucking hilarious, but i guess thats just my sense of humour |
| 07:25.52 | craigevil | the SImpsons are awesome |
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| 07:25.54 | cydork | liable: same here. like futurama too. :) |
| 07:26.05 | craigevil | i just came across a website that has all the epsiodes |
| 07:26.18 | liable | cydork: yeah, its been shut down.. |
| 07:26.33 | liable | err. |
| 07:26.37 | liable | craigevil: ^^ |
| 07:26.59 | nvz | my lack of common sense and innate sense of ignorance makes it hard for me to be amused by those things |
| 07:27.34 | nvz | things I find funny are usually pretty simple and not meant to be funny |
| 07:28.18 | keith | Morning All |
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| 07:28.54 | Jimmy_ | morning |
| 07:29.02 | Jimmy_ | or whatever greeting of your timezone :p |
| 07:29.18 | tuv | i find most comedy tv shows really boring.. like friends.. ew.. can't stand it |
| 07:29.34 | Jimmy_ | I'm working on an etch install |
| 07:29.40 | Jimmy_ | when I configured debconf |
| 07:29.40 | nvz | like seeing a girl before she does her hair in the morning... or watching her freak out over a little orb weaver making its way across the carpet |
| 07:29.45 | Jimmy_ | I chose 'gnome' by accident |
| 07:29.51 | Jimmy_ | but I wanted to select 'Dialog' |
| 07:30.04 | liable | Jimmy_: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 07:30.08 | Jimmy_ | now every time when debconf 'jumps in', it complains about some gnome stuff |
| 07:30.17 | Jimmy_ | well, when I do that |
| 07:30.19 | Jimmy_ | I have the same error |
| 07:30.27 | Jimmy_ | gnometalk and it stops :) |
| 07:30.38 | liable | Jimmy_: what about from console? |
| 07:30.46 | Jimmy_ | I'm in console |
| 07:31.09 | Jimmy_ | that's the problem, all the graphical stuff isn't properly configured yet |
| 07:31.12 | Jimmy_ | so I don't need it |
| 07:31.20 | Jimmy_ | is there some configurationfile where this is defined? |
| 07:31.28 | tuv | Jimmy_, you'll have the error when you run dpkg-reconfigure debconf, but if you choose dialog it shouldn't appear anymore |
| 07:31.56 | Jimmy_ | tuv: I know, I want to select dialog, but afaik I can only achieve that by reconfiguring debconf |
| 07:32.12 | Jimmy_ | and that produces the ugly gnome error now :) |
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| 07:32.14 | tuv | Jimmy_, unless probably if the dialog libraries are not installed, if that could happen anyway |
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| 07:32.38 | Jimmy_ | aha, my colleague found it |
| 07:32.48 | tuv | Jimmy_, that's ok, but does error persist even after you see it and choose dialog? |
| 07:32.49 | multi_io | heh. there's rdate -a ... |
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| 07:33.02 | Allman | Listen up folks. I have a small problem. I just installed vmware workstation on my Debian Linux (unstable/SID). I ran vmware-install.pl and everything was "successful", it then tells me to run /usr/local/bin/vmware - I do that using my regular user (not root). Result: nothing happens, no GUI. I can't even stop it with CTRL-C. Suggestions? |
| 07:33.28 | Jimmy_ | -fDialog ;p |
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| 07:35.45 | karsten | Allman: Might try #vmware or VMWare's own support channels. |
| 07:35.47 | Agiofws | could someone tell me what error i am getting and how to fix it http://pastebin.ca/192780 please |
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| 07:37.10 | bazz | wols: it's working great, thanks :) |
| 07:37.10 | liable | Jimmy_: try /var/cache/debconf/debconf.dat search for frontend (back the file up before you fuck with it) |
| 07:37.22 | nvz | Agiofws: looks like you are trying to build something that requires some XML dev package that you have not installed |
| 07:37.45 | Agiofws | XML ? |
| 07:37.52 | Agiofws | what is XML |
| 07:37.55 | nvz | appears so |
| 07:38.00 | nvz | !xml |
| 07:38.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xml is eXtensible Markup Language, and more info can be found at Homepage: http://www.jclark.com/xml/expat.html or There are generally two types of xml parsers: validating and those checking well-formedness. A valid xml document is one that is well-formed, and also complies with SGML conventions. getting bastardised by linux, call the XML-Men ~.linux bleh, or , or s-expressions in drag |
| 07:38.04 | karsten | Agiofws: Dude, if you don't know what you're compiling you're way up a creek. |
| 07:38.24 | Agiofws | karsten: i'm compiling xorg 7.1 |
| 07:38.43 | wols | Agiofws: it seems you miss some shared lib |
| 07:38.50 | craigevil | why are you compiling xorg7.1? |
| 07:38.50 | Agiofws | usually the error message gives me file or lib missing |
| 07:38.57 | wols | something that does something with XML |
| 07:39.07 | craigevil | why not just grab it from unstable it works just fine |
| 07:39.13 | karsten | Agiofws: What nvz said. Might try running it under auto-apt run (auto-apt shell). |
| 07:39.18 | craigevil | or backports if its available there |
| 07:39.28 | Allman | nvz: already did that, no answer.. :-/ |
| 07:39.35 | Agiofws | i can't compile |
| 07:39.37 | karsten | Agiofws: That should locate the file if it's known. |
| 07:39.46 | Agiofws | ther are no binaries i eman |
| 07:39.46 | liable | Agiofws: install xorg-dev |
| 07:39.51 | karsten | Agiofws: Otherwise, might ask gravity when he's around here. He's Debian's xorg maintainer |
| 07:40.14 | liable | Agiofws: that should give most of what you need to compile xorg (other than new libs needed for cvs) |
| 07:40.34 | Agiofws | xorg-dev ? |
| 07:40.47 | Agiofws | its a debian package ? |
| 07:40.48 | liable | ... |
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| 07:40.57 | karsten | !tell Agiofws about search |
| 07:40.59 | wols | Agiofws: what branch of debian are you running |
| 07:41.01 | karsten | Agiofws: That's a good assumption |
| 07:41.12 | wols | Agiofws: he probably runs stable |
| 07:41.16 | nvz | xorg-dev is a meta package I believe |
| 07:41.26 | cydork | !info xorg-dev |
| 07:41.35 | dpkg | xorg-dev: (the X.Org X Window System development libraries), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 07:41.57 | Agiofws | i run slackware and i'm trying to compile xorg 7.1 thats all |
| 07:41.57 | wols | Agiofws: what branch of debian are you running? |
| 07:42.07 | cydork | Agiofws: slackware? |
| 07:42.08 | liable | oh jeez |
| 07:42.09 | wols | Agiofws: #slackware |
| 07:42.15 | Agiofws | lol |
| 07:42.24 | zeeble | hehe. the slackware branch of debian. |
| 07:42.46 | cydork | Agiofws: you use slackware and you dont know how to compile stuff? :) |
| 07:42.49 | wols | zeeble: then we're farther on our way to world domination thatn I though |
| 07:42.52 | wols | +t |
| 07:42.55 | Agiofws | cydork: i do |
| 07:43.02 | karsten | Agiofws: /join #slackware |
| 07:43.08 | karsten | ffs. |
| 07:43.12 | Agiofws | i am got this error and i don't know what to do about it |
| 07:43.18 | cydork | wols: yay for debian! :P |
| 07:43.43 | wols | Agiofws: your compiler can't find a certain lib or object file. and no, you won't get help here about your slack problems |
| 07:43.58 | karsten | Agiofws: You're trying to build this _on_ Slackware, and you're asking in a Debian channel? |
| 07:44.23 | Agiofws | listen i have unistalled old xorg |
| 07:44.30 | Agiofws | i don't have X |
| 07:44.31 | wols | Agiofws: we don't care |
| 07:44.44 | wols | #slackware cares a whole lot more, trust me |
| 07:44.49 | karsten | Agiofws: Nice knowing you. You're in the wrong channel. /join #slackware |
| 07:45.03 | karsten | Feh |
| 07:45.09 | Agiofws | they don't really i'm just looking for su=ome help thats all |
| 07:45.27 | wols | Agiofws: but you won't find it here. that's all |
| 07:45.42 | cydork | Agiofws: muhahahha! >:) |
| 07:45.46 | Agiofws | the question is which lib |
| 07:46.08 | wols | Agiofws: are you deaf? an analphabet? |
| 07:46.33 | liable | Agiofws: at least go to #xorg, but dont expect help here. |
| 07:46.34 | Agiofws | could it be libXmu-X11R7.1-1.0.1.tar.gz ? |
| 07:46.39 | liable | Agiofws: now please leave |
| 07:46.48 | Agiofws | liable: i know about it |
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| 07:47.31 | craigevil | why would anyone remove x before installing a new version? that seems kinda silly anyway |
| 07:47.44 | lunitik | Agiofws: #slackware ... have a good day |
| 07:48.07 | lunitik | craigevil: why? |
| 07:48.07 | karsten | craigevil: You're not referring to our recent person of slack here are you? |
| 07:48.19 | craigevil | lol yeah |
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| 07:48.32 | Agiofws | god you can be distro fanatics |
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| 07:48.39 | karsten | craigevil: Under Debian, you remove a package, then install its replacement. Even if that's seen as a single process under aptitude, that's what's happening. |
| 07:48.59 | mo1991 | do I need to somehow pin debian backports to make sure it only updates files that I want it to?? |
| 07:49.02 | craigevil | yeah but you dont compltely remove it leaving nothing |
| 07:49.13 | anordby | Agiofws: Just like any other OS fanatic? |
| 07:49.19 | craigevil | then try to reinstall the newer version |
| 07:49.28 | liable | mo1991: yes, the home page for backports explains it all |
| 07:49.46 | mo1991 | looking at that - haven't found it yet tho |
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| 07:49.57 | john__ | did the dist-upgrade break x.org for anybody else recently? |
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| 07:50.46 | karsten | craigevil: Technically you do. Mind: so long as you're _running_ a program and have its files/resources open, the filehandles remain. |
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| 07:51.13 | lunitik | Agiofws: we're distro fanatics... because we expect you to ask in #slackware rather than #debian about slack issues? |
| 07:51.15 | karsten | craigevil: That's why you can (frequently) "update in place" running programs. Of course, this doesn't always work, particularly when a program periodically accesses resources. |
| 07:51.24 | karsten | nvz: Hell, wait another two hours and call it morning. |
| 07:51.35 | lunitik | Agiofws: fwiw, any help you got from us would be almost useless on your box anyways. |
| 07:51.44 | nvz | karsten: yeah its almost 4:20, you know what that means |
| 07:51.46 | karsten | craigevil: ... in which case it can get mightily confused in the before/after state. But typically restarting that program alone sorts stuff. |
| 07:51.49 | keith | hum, is there an easy way to monitor bandwidth used by a user ? or a domain |
| 07:51.52 | craigevil | its 351am here been morning for a while :) |
| 07:52.02 | lunitik | Agiofws: different packages, different file system layout etc... |
| 07:52.03 | karsten | nvz: I have no idea what that means. |
| 07:52.10 | mo1991 | liable - backports page says 2. All backports are deactivated by default. You have to set a higher priority for each backport. |
| 07:52.19 | karsten | keith: atop, sort of. |
| 07:52.28 | nvz | karsten: good, you passed the test, too can be president of the USA |
| 07:52.31 | mo1991 | does that mean it will not upgrade the version uness I pin the backport to have a higher priority |
| 07:53.01 | lunitik | karsten: you're serious? (420 is the orange county code for suspected marijuana use...) |
| 07:53.01 | wols | karsten: you need to have sex too, just to make sure |
| 07:53.09 | karsten | lunitik: It is? |
| 07:53.13 | liable | mo1991: what you do, is set backports for low priority, and use -t backports when invoking apt-get |
| 07:53.15 | wols | who aver "that womam" is |
| 07:53.15 | nvz | karsten: careful my chain is broken.. thats why the bike has been in the house all this time |
| 07:53.17 | lunitik | karsten: yes |
| 07:53.29 | karsten | nvz: I'm saving sex for when I'm dead. |
| 07:53.36 | karsten | nvz: ;-) |
| 07:53.42 | karsten | lunitik: When did this happen? |
| 07:53.43 | lunitik | karsten: just like 187 is the murder code :) |
| 07:53.47 | nvz | no idea what you are talking about |
| 07:53.52 | mo1991 | liable - do backport packages get security updates like sarge does? |
| 07:53.54 | lunitik | karsten: I don't know... long time ago... |
| 07:54.28 | liable | mo1991: i guess they get updates, but i really dont know, they ceratainly dont get official security |
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| 07:54.32 | keith | karsten: I have say 10 vhosted domains ona box, i wanted to have a webpage with a graph for each domain stating how much bandwidth they are currently using total for month etc. |
| 07:54.44 | wols | mo1991: no, not as stable |
| 07:54.56 | karsten | keith: That's actually not a per-user thing. |
| 07:55.05 | wols | mo1991: it depends on the goodwill of the backports maker for that particular backport |
| 07:55.06 | karsten | keith: Since the "user" is going to be www-data. |
| 07:55.23 | nvz | lunitik: homicide actually |
| 07:55.32 | wols | karsten: depends on how apache is setup. see suphp for example |
| 07:55.35 | karsten | keith: There are a number of web monitoring packages that give you that sort of data from your weblogs. "webalyzer" is the great granddaddy. |
| 07:55.36 | keith | karsten: true, |
| 07:55.39 | karsten | wols: feh. |
| 07:55.47 | karsten | wols: Damnit, I'm on a roll. |
| 07:55.58 | lunitik | nvz: homicide is just a fancy word for murder :/ |
| 07:56.11 | craigevil | has anyone built Iceweasel? |
| 07:56.12 | karsten | keith: webalizer |
| 07:56.19 | Agiofws | kk |
| 07:56.24 | karsten | liable: No, a *kaiser* roll. |
| 07:56.39 | liable | karsten: does that have ham? |
| 07:56.40 | lunitik | Agiofws: why are you still here? |
| 07:57.10 | karsten | liable: I _am_ the ham. |
| 07:57.12 | liable | ignore ignore ignore |
| 07:57.36 | karsten | keith: apt-cache search web | grep log | sort | less |
| 07:57.37 | craigevil | gnu.org has directions to make Iceweasel but they arent very clear |
| 07:57.38 | Agiofws | lunitik: i just like watching the bytes floating around |
| 07:57.59 | karsten | keith: ... there's a few of these. mrtg is a plotting/reporting tool, not sure if they integrate. |
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| 07:58.02 | nvz | lunitik: no, murder is to kill unlawfully.. its the crime. homicide is just a person killing another person.. the actual reason the police are being called.. because its not their job to say what is lawful or not :P |
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| 07:58.23 | craigevil | or did Debian finally work something out with Mozilla to keep Firefox in the repos |
| 07:58.33 | karsten | craigevil: Not as of yet. |
| 07:58.37 | karsten | craigevil: AFAIK |
| 07:58.46 | nvz | lunitik: I can murder a dog, but they arent going to call in a homicide |
| 07:59.18 | karsten | nvz: That's an animal killing. I don't believe it's technically murder. |
| 07:59.24 | nvz | lunitik: homicide is murder, but murder isnt nessicarily a homicide |
| 07:59.40 | karsten | nvz: Nope. |
| 07:59.44 | nvz | karsten: murder unlike homicide doesnt specify afaik |
| 08:00.06 | karsten | nvz: Homicide can be justified. Not murder. |
| 08:00.18 | wols | nvz: manslaughter is a homicide too |
| 08:00.21 | wols | murder is not imho |
| 08:00.34 | wols | murder has several degrees. homicide does not |
| 08:00.46 | nvz | definition I am getting from 3 dictionaries is that murder is to kill brutally or inhumanly, and homicide is to kill another person unlawfully |
| 08:00.51 | karsten | wols: nvz: OT at any rate. |
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| 08:01.36 | karsten | wols: My read is murder speaks to law, homicide to act. |
| 08:01.40 | wols | nvz: homicide means "someone is dead without natural causes" murder is someone determinedly killed someone else |
| 08:01.55 | wols | act? |
| 08:01.59 | nvz | er murder is inhumane/brutal/unlawful, homicide is a person killing a person answers.com |
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| 08:02.20 | karsten | wols: what nvz said. |
| 08:02.31 | karsten | wols: Specifically: murder is unlawful. |
| 08:03.03 | karsten | lunitik: Join the army |
| 08:03.24 | karsten | lunitik: Become an executioner. Kill someone in self-defence. Kill someone by accident. |
| 08:03.32 | wols | karsten: but your army better win or there might be problems afterwards |
| 08:03.32 | lunitik | karsten: even in the army... kill a civilian, and they will court marshal you or whatever |
| 08:03.40 | karsten | lunitik: several of those are sanctioned, several are excusable. |
| 08:03.57 | karsten | lunitik: Point. However there is sanctioned killing in the military. |
| 08:03.59 | SubStack | lunitik: just plant a gun on the body |
| 08:04.01 | nvz | hom prefix is a variant of homo which means the same cide means killing if you want to break it down |
| 08:04.40 | karsten | lunitik: Lawfully sanctioned, under generally agreed international conventions, laws, treaties, etc., though that's a tad fluid. |
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| 08:04.49 | dondelelcaro | caedere, really... |
| 08:05.02 | karsten | dondelelcaro: What, are you going to spoil our bloodbath? |
| 08:05.16 | nvz | dondelelcaro: meh? |
| 08:05.25 | lunitik | !dict caedere |
| 08:05.27 | dpkg | could not find definition for caedere |
| 08:05.32 | liable | dict doesnt mention caedere |
| 08:05.39 | dondelelcaro | it's latin |
| 08:05.40 | nvz | sounds like its greek or latin |
| 08:05.41 | karsten | liable: Latin |
| 08:05.42 | dondelelcaro | means "to cut" |
| 08:05.47 | liable | lunitik: good, glad i aint the only one that wondered :) |
| 08:06.26 | karsten | Latin verb meaning "to cut" or "to kill" |
| 08:06.31 | dondelelcaro | in any event, the etymology of homicide (and the legality and/or morality thereof) is kind of OT here... |
| 08:06.41 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: sooo... you going to give us a hint as to its meaning? |
| 08:06.44 | nvz | heh, oh well |
| 08:07.00 | nvz | it was fun to talk about anyhow |
| 08:07.02 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: spoil sport... no one is asking for help right now :( |
| 08:07.08 | dondelelcaro | #debian-offtopic is just 9 characters away... |
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| 08:07.15 | Locke | is debian 13 CDs? |
| 08:07.18 | nvz | heh /me is there |
| 08:07.28 | karsten | !tell Locke about install |
| 08:07.35 | wols | Locke: I thought 14, and you didn't mention the source CDs |
| 08:07.36 | dondelelcaro | Locke: if you really want all 13; depends slightly on the architecture. |
| 08:07.40 | nvz | Locke: nope, debian stable takes up about 14cds or two dvds right now |
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| 08:07.44 | Locke | i dont want all 13 |
| 08:07.50 | Locke | i am running ubuntu right now |
| 08:07.50 | nvz | on x86 |
| 08:07.52 | karsten | Locke: There are a number of installation methods. You can install from CDs if you want, and yes, there's a lot of 'em given the 15,000+ packages. |
| 08:07.53 | Locke | but i want to try debian |
| 08:07.55 | dondelelcaro | Locke: then just get the netinst disk, and download the packages you want. |
| 08:08.02 | Locke | and i dont have a ton of blanks |
| 08:08.05 | karsten | Locke: You can install from a single CD, or ~4 floppies. |
| 08:08.09 | Locke | oh netinst |
| 08:08.10 | Locke | good |
| 08:08.17 | wols | Locke: prefered is to install a basic system and install the rest via apt |
| 08:08.17 | karsten | Locke: ... or PXE boot and none ;-) |
| 08:08.33 | Locke | wols, thats pretty much exactly what i plan to do |
| 08:08.37 | karsten | !tell Locke about netinst |
| 08:08.38 | Locke | lunaphyte, neat? |
| 08:08.41 | karsten | Locke: That's your best bet. |
| 08:08.45 | Locke | you mean ridiculous and stupid? |
| 08:08.47 | lunitik | Hours of entertainment just flicking the disk cover thinger |
| 08:08.53 | Locke | and unreliable |
| 08:09.30 | karsten | nvz: Sure. What's the actual storage capacity of those things? 320 MB or something? |
| 08:09.32 | wols | nvz: compared to tapes and harddisks of the time: yes :P |
| 08:09.33 | lunitik | nvz: whoa... I've never seen bigger than 5 1/4 |
| 08:09.34 | Locke | mm |
| 08:09.36 | karsten | nvz: Erm. KB. |
| 08:09.41 | liable | 8 inch floppy? the girls must go mad.. |
| 08:09.41 | tuv | lunitik, they were awful.. those little things |
| 08:09.43 | Locke | cheerios, honey, and grape nuts |
| 08:09.46 | nvz | lunitik: heh |
| 08:09.54 | wols | karsten: 320 were double sided I think |
| 08:10.01 | wols | single sided is 170 or so :) |
| 08:10.03 | karsten | wols: so 170? |
| 08:10.17 | fireba11 | 160 if at all :-) |
| 08:10.21 | nvz | karsten: I only seen an 8" floppy once, and never seen an 8" drive.. so I have no idea |
| 08:10.24 | wols | at least it was for some 5,1/4 variants |
| 08:10.41 | wols | I only evre used PCs never 8" so I dunno particularly |
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| 08:11.05 | nvz | http://images.google.com/images?q=8+inch+floppy&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images |
| 08:11.10 | karsten | wols: 81.664 KB. |
| 08:11.16 | karsten | wols: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk |
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| 08:11.25 | jerome | where should I look to find docs for smooth apache 20 -> 22 transition in sid ? |
| 08:11.34 | jerome | seems pretty b0rked right now |
| 08:11.43 | karsten | wols: Granted, that's 1969 |
| 08:12.01 | karsten | wols: 512 KB DSDD |
| 08:12.01 | wols | 8" was 80kB and read only |
| 08:12.27 | Locke | k downloading netinst |
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| 08:13.00 | wols | Locke: note that sarge netins doesn't come with X. just be warned :) |
| 08:13.28 | sprink_ | Any ircops in here? Some serious network abuse going on in #asm. doesn't seem to be any channel ops active. |
| 08:13.33 | nvz | eww and they were originally read-only and didnt even have the casing |
| 08:14.04 | tuv | great.. now #debian has to do network support! |
| 08:14.06 | Locke | im fine in commandline |
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| 08:14.18 | nvz | they were way before my time like more than a decade.. so I only seen one.. and didnt know much about em |
| 08:14.19 | wols | sprink_: #freenode or whatevre the channel is |
| 08:14.19 | Locke | i just need it to boot so i can get the rest |
| 08:14.23 | wols | sprink_: your best bet |
| 08:14.23 | RichiH | sprink_: no idea why you ask in #debian, but yes |
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| 08:14.38 | Locke | i dont need x to function |
| 08:14.55 | sprink_ | RichiH. I was comming here anyways. ;) |
| 08:14.55 | wols | Locke: just a small warning :) |
| 08:15.03 | Locke | but my standard usable configuration does include it |
| 08:15.18 | sprink_ | thank you RichiH |
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| 08:15.25 | RichiH | np |
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| 08:16.59 | mwe | shouldn't most pcs beep if the cpu or video card is not present? |
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| 08:17.23 | wols | mwe: yes |
| 08:17.24 | liable | depends if the speaker is present :P |
| 08:17.31 | wols | and connected |
| 08:17.32 | deadcat | !FTBFS |
| 08:17.32 | dpkg | ftbfs is, like, "fails to build from source" |
| 08:17.51 | mwe | I guess my mobo is broken then :( |
| 08:18.31 | wols | mwe: diag LEDs? what happens if you add video and RAM? |
| 08:18.41 | wols | does the CPU fan work? |
| 08:18.54 | syntaxx | how can i remove the cycleserv2 port? |
| 08:19.44 | mwe | wols: the fans work. the powerled and hdd led work. I don't get any output to the monitor and no post beep or anything |
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| 08:22.05 | mwe | wols: the fans spin up and after a few secs the hdd led turns off |
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| 08:23.53 | mwe | wols: I then tried removing different parts to get at least the post beep but I don't hear it :| |
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| 08:25.14 | karsten | mwe: faulty graphics card? |
| 08:25.46 | karsten | wols: memory, cpu, and graphics are about the only things that can go wrong, other than the mobo / bios chip itself. |
| 08:25.59 | mwe | karsten: maybe, but shouldn't it still beep if you power it on if you remove the card? |
| 08:26.16 | nvz | damn missed 4:20 by five minutes.. wasnt paying attention :P |
| 08:26.19 | karsten | mwe: Yeah. Find your mobo mfr's manual, look up bios boot sequencies. |
| 08:26.45 | nvz | I was too busy trying to figure out where bulgaria is and what language they spoke :P |
| 08:27.09 | karsten | nvz: within its borders. And bulgarian. |
| 08:27.31 | karsten | nvz: https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bu.html |
| 08:27.52 | nvz | karsten: yeah I figured that much out.. there was a bulgarian in #debian on OFTC they didnt know where to direct him cause they couldnt figure out what language he was speaking |
| 08:28.28 | nvz | karsten: I grabbed what looked to be a verb and punched it into google and after seeing half a dozen bulgaria hits I figured it out |
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| 08:28.44 | karsten | heh. |
| 08:28.54 | karsten | nvz: /whois didn't help? |
| 08:29.01 | nvz | nope |
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| 08:29.20 | nvz | #debian-bg is dead anyhow I went in there and it was just me |
| 08:31.06 | karsten | nvz: 7m people in the country, 650k 'net users. |
| 08:32.14 | mwe | karsten: shouldn't it beep if you power it on without the hhd, ram and video card present, usually? |
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| 08:32.28 | karsten | mwe: yes. |
| 08:32.36 | karsten | mwe: what I said before: find a manual. |
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| 08:33.12 | mwe | karsten: I have it, but without any beeps I don't know anything. I guess I can conclude the mobo is present |
| 08:33.22 | mwe | err broken |
| 08:33.35 | karsten | mwe: ayup. |
| 08:33.40 | iostream | Anyone if it is possible to create an addressbook from an IMAP folder in thunderbird (or perhaps some other program and then export it..) ? |
| 08:34.04 | karsten | mwe: Double check the speaker itself. If you've got a multimeter, check the leads for current. |
| 08:34.20 | karsten | iostream: Sure, in general. |
| 08:34.24 | mwe | yeah |
| 08:34.43 | iostream | karsten: What program / how? :) |
| 08:34.45 | karsten | iostream: You want an 'aliases' format file? aliasname Full Name <email> |
| 08:35.01 | karsten | iostream: awk, sed, perl, python, ruby. It's basic text mangling. |
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| 08:35.20 | karsten | iostream: Define your output. Input's pretty well known, RFC2822 format messages. |
| 08:35.26 | iostream | karsten: Yep okay, but I was hoping someone would have already implemented it. |
| 08:35.43 | karsten | iostream: its the sort of thing you can bang out in 5 minutes. Or markedly less. |
| 08:35.54 | karsten | iostream: Again: define your output |
| 08:36.05 | iostream | If I knew the RFC and sed, awk, perhaps... |
| 08:36.15 | iostream | karsten: My output, just comma seperated |
| 08:36.48 | tralala | iostream: this is the kind of thing that even if someone implements will not bother to publish - it will be a few lines of code and not really interesting |
| 08:36.56 | mwe | karsten: well gotta go, thanks for your advice. |
| 08:37.18 | karsten | iostream: What fields in what order? |
| 08:37.21 | karsten | mwe: NP |
| 08:37.32 | iostream | tralala: well, it could have been a nifty feature in e.g. thunderbird |
| 08:37.41 | iostream | karsten: email, name would be fine |
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| 08:38.01 | karsten | iostream: The "To:" record will have that, typically: To: SVLUG <svlug@lists.svlug.org> |
| 08:38.16 | karsten | iostream: Or for me: To: Karsten M. Self <karsten@linuxmafia.com> |
| 08:38.29 | tralala | iostream: I doubt it - I've never needed it. I mean it will be nifty for you and probably a dosen of others and that's it. |
| 08:38.46 | karsten | iostream: Modulo a few bits like missing stateful names, quoting characters. |
| 08:38.50 | iostream | tralala: sure, but if its only a couple of lines of code? :) |
| 08:39.28 | iostream | karsten: yes, if I had the scripting abilities :) |
| 08:40.05 | tralala | iostream: can you imagine adding a couple of lines for every neat feature that will only have a dosen of users? Oh, wait - we already have that - it's called operating system :) |
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| 08:40.29 | karsten | iostream: From within the imap folder, which is one message per file (I think): grep -h -m1 '^To:' * | sort -u | sed -e 's/^To: //' -e 's/"//g' -e 's/ </,</' |
| 08:40.47 | karsten | iostream: Now learn scripting. |
| 08:41.04 | tralala | iostream: If I were you I'd search email parsing code and tweak it |
| 08:41.39 | karsten | iostream: That searches each file for a line starting 'To: ', quits the search at first match, sorts results uniquely, strips off the "To: ", removes embedded quotes, and comma seperates the name from the email. |
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| 08:41.54 | karsten | iostream: Should get you close to what you want. |
| 08:41.56 | iostream | karsten: very cool |
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| 08:42.28 | Killed | hello |
| 08:42.30 | iostream | Just one problem, I dont have access to the folder from the filesystem.. If you understand what I mean |
| 08:42.38 | karsten | iostream: That's why there's not "a program" to do this, you can bang it out really fast. Faster than it took for you to describe what you want. |
| 08:42.44 | Killed | i have a problem updating apache2 on sarge |
| 08:42.45 | iostream | hehe |
| 08:42.46 | karsten | iostream: That's your problem, if you understand what I mean. |
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| 08:43.14 | Killed | http://phpfi.com/160744 |
| 08:43.23 | Killed | can someone help me? |
| 08:43.36 | karsten | iostream: If you can snarf your mail locally from the imap store, and put it into maildir format, you can use the script above. |
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| 08:43.48 | suppaman | hello |
| 08:43.56 | iostream | karsten: good point, I just need to find a client that uses maildir as store. |
| 08:44.02 | karsten | iostream: mutt |
| 08:44.29 | karsten | iostream: If you tell it to. Either as a default, or do this: mkdir -p ~/maildir/{new,cur,tmp} |
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| 08:44.54 | karsten | iostream: .. and ~/maildir/ is now your new maildir folder. If you save to that from w/in mutt it automatically detects and saves as maildir w/in it. |
| 08:45.12 | karsten | iostream: Your files will be under either ~/maildir/cur/ (if read) or ~/maildir/new/ (if unread) |
| 08:45.15 | Killed | no one? |
| 08:45.18 | karsten | Killed: Nope. |
| 08:45.25 | karsten | !tell Killed about patience |
| 08:45.58 | iostream | karsten: yeah, thanks alot for showing me the way :) |
| 08:46.06 | craigevil | dont know about stable but updating apache on sid has issues |
| 08:46.21 | karsten | craigevil: apparently it tries to kill apache2 before it's installed. |
| 08:46.25 | karsten | craigevil: Known issue? |
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| 08:46.46 | craigevil | lol yep and it messes with apt |
| 08:47.01 | karsten | Killed: craigevil seems to be your man. |
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| 08:47.32 | karsten | Gee, almost makes a guy want to talk about murder and homicide .... |
| 08:47.52 | liable | finger poised |
| 08:47.55 | Killed | yes |
| 08:48.43 | nvz | karsten: yeah but we did that already an hour ago |
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| 08:48.50 | Killed | craigevil another admin add a stable rep on my sources.list |
| 08:49.05 | Killed | now after an upgrade apache2 not work |
| 08:49.11 | Killed | i need to fix it |
| 08:49.23 | craigevil | is apache2 even in stable? ive nvr ran stable so i dont know what it has |
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| 08:49.50 | azeem_ | !+info apache2 stable |
| 08:49.51 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 08:50.00 | dpkg | apache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-5sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
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| 08:50.34 | wols | Killed: check BTS |
| 08:50.58 | wols | Killed: it's not the stable repo that caused your problem but sid |
| 08:51.11 | wols | Killed: you run sid, you deal with the breakage. it's the covenant |
| 08:51.23 | karsten | nvz: get a room. |
| 08:51.29 | liable | hah |
| 08:51.55 | cydork | heheh |
| 08:51.55 | wols | liable: but make sure azeem consents first |
| 08:51.56 | craigevil | Killed: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390893 |
| 08:52.02 | enouf | nvz: stop looking at her :-p |
| 08:52.16 | nvz | enouf: her? |
| 08:52.28 | liable | wols: not me, i am eyeing last nights leftovers :P |
| 08:52.29 | enouf | nevermind .. |
| 08:52.33 | craigevil | apache in sid is broken, only way to a usable apache is from /testing |
| 08:52.42 | nvz | I notice inconsistancies and strange behaviors |
| 08:52.45 | azeem_ | craigevil: sounds like unstable |
| 08:53.16 | azeem_ | craigevil: it took *great* pains to finally convince the apache maintainers to upload 2.2 to unstable |
| 08:53.24 | nvz | seemed strange he'd login from another host on the same domain just to do something like that |
| 08:53.27 | azeem_ | 2.0 is not able to handle files larger than 2GB |
| 08:53.32 | craigevil | the newest updated is broken wait a few of days |
| 08:53.42 | liable | nvz: what are you on about? |
| 08:53.49 | wols | azeem_: sorry to say, but from the breakage I saw this package is not ready yet. conflicts with php5 too, at least recent ones |
| 08:53.56 | Killed | craigevil i don't find a solution on that link |
| 08:54.00 | azeem_ | wols: sure, it's not ready for testing yet |
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| 08:54.01 | wols | cydork: well.... :) |
| 08:54.05 | azeem_ | but etch won't release next week |
| 08:54.14 | azeem_ | the best you guys can do is file usable bugs |
| 08:54.16 | wols | cydork: and it runs fine (earlier version) |
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| 08:54.47 | craigevil | Killed: |
| 08:54.47 | craigevil | The simple workaround is to ensure that there are no apache2 processes |
| 08:54.47 | craigevil | running (pgrep apache2), and then just comment the /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 08:54.47 | craigevil | call out of /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-common.prerm. |
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| 08:54.48 | adrian15 | [OT] Any Slovenian people round here? I need one of them for a short translation. http://www.pikapolonica.net/?p=62 THANK YOU. |
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| 08:54.58 | cydork | wols: :) |
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| 08:56.12 | Killed | craigevil: /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-common.prerm: line 9: syntax error near unexpected token `fi' |
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| 08:56.36 | karsten | Killed: probably a typo, missing semicolon, or other error in script. |
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| 08:56.54 | craigevil | Killed: if your using Sid you wont get a working apache |
| 08:56.55 | cydork | Killed: you know bash? ;) |
| 08:57.03 | liable | karsten: so play with the script and see what gives.. |
| 08:57.10 | EdLin | craigevil: does apache v1 work on sid? |
| 08:57.11 | liable | er |
| 08:57.13 | karsten | Feh. |
| 08:57.19 | liable | bleh |
| 08:57.25 | craigevil | the upgrade is broken, use the one in testing |
| 08:57.31 | nvz | liable: already here.. different host, same domain.. just seemed strange for someone to just come in like that on another host after 9 hours inactivity and do that |
| 08:57.55 | liable | nvz: what him ping time out ant sec now :) |
| 08:57.59 | liable | watch |
| 08:58.03 | Killed | craigevil can i query you? |
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| 08:58.24 | craigevil | Killed:i dont run apache just saw the mailing list |
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| 08:59.09 | nvz | liable: well I was thinking it might have been someone else.. assuming his name.. stranger things have happened in #debian |
| 08:59.47 | Killed | noone can tell me how to solve it? |
| 09:00.09 | liable | nvz: nah |
| 09:00.30 | cydork | Killed: paste it on a paster.. |
| 09:00.32 | cydork | !paster |
| 09:00.33 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 09:00.37 | ttz | Hi there! I need help to make a package that automatically create an entry in aliases(5) which points to a pipe entry. It works well, except with default Debian's MTA (Exim) which doesn't allow pipes. What should I do ? Simply warn the Exim users ? |
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| 09:01.01 | Killed | http://phpfi.com/160744 |
| 09:01.03 | enouf | "noone" needs to be added to the "alot" factoid as a non-word |
| 09:01.24 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 09:01.44 | berzerka | hello everyone. i had a hard-disk failure (one block seems to have been physically damaged). i rescued my important data and want to freshly setup my debian system again. before that, i want to do a complete read/write badblocks scan. so i booted the latest knoppix, partitioned and now want to invoke mke2fs -c -c ..., and the system keeps telling me that "/dev/hdc3 is apparently in use by the system", although it is not mounted anywhere. |
| 09:01.55 | Killed | cydork http://channels.debian.net/paste/3957 |
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| 09:02.03 | karsten | berzerka: lsof |
| 09:02.16 | karsten | berzerka: and cat /proc/mounts |
| 09:02.36 | karsten | berzerka: failing that, reboot. Is hdc _not_ your CDROM drive? |
| 09:02.44 | nvz | liable: ttz yeah tell em roll joints instead, they're more discrete |
| 09:02.49 | nvz | er.. heh |
| 09:02.51 | nvz | oops |
| 09:03.21 | perlmonkey | when you have a wireless network is important to make the ESSID unique? |
| 09:03.52 | azeem_ | perlmonkey: unique with respect to the surrounding wireless networks |
| 09:03.57 | liable | perlmonkey: yes, linksys isnt a good ssid to have :) |
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| 09:04.13 | cydork | Killed: can you paste the part of /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-common.prerm which has errors? |
| 09:04.14 | berzerka | karsten: hdc is my hard disk. proc mounts doesnt contain the device at all. |
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| 09:04.34 | perlmonkey | okay so it can serve useful as a security feature to make it hard to guess |
| 09:04.53 | harsszeg | I have the sourcecode of vista |
| 09:04.58 | karsten | berzerka: no swap? |
| 09:04.59 | liable | berzerka: knoppix may be using it for swap? try booting knoppix with no cache option |
| 09:05.15 | Killed | cydork before craigevil tell me to comment it |
| 09:05.19 | karsten | berzerka: cat /proc/swaps |
| 09:05.37 | Killed | now i have no /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-common.prerm more |
| 09:05.51 | berzerka | he uses /dev/hdc2, my swap partition, which is correct |
| 09:06.00 | karsten | berzerka: swapoff /dev/hdc2 |
| 09:06.06 | karsten | berzerka: ... and try again |
| 09:06.06 | perlmonkey | when you come into the wifi range tho doesnt your card scan for networks and tell you the ESSID? |
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| 09:06.30 | berzerka | karsten: aah, so the device may not be in use, not only the specific partition... makes sense. |
| 09:06.41 | liable | perlmonkey: yes, if you tell it to scan |
| 09:06.46 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:06.52 | karsten | perlmonkey: IIUC the card detects available networks. You need to query the essid under debian through a GUI tool, or iwconfig / iwscan (or similar), or kismet. |
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| 09:06.57 | perlmonkey | so its not good using ESSID as a security feature then |
| 09:07.00 | karsten | berzerka: Right |
| 09:07.05 | berzerka | still says /dev/hdc3 is in use :/ |
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| 09:07.08 | karsten | perlmonkey: Pretty fucking worthless. |
| 09:07.11 | Trewas | perlmonkey: you can disable AP from broadcasting ESSID |
| 09:07.12 | perlmonkey | haha |
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| 09:07.16 | Guerin | !win me |
| 09:07.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, guerin! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 09:07.19 | liable | perlmonkey: ever heard of security by obscurity? |
| 09:07.21 | nvz | harsszeg: thats a scary thought. |
| 09:07.45 | perlmonkey | liable: no |
| 09:07.45 | karsten | berzerka: Might need to reboot. Try that. |
| 09:07.45 | liable | perlmonkey: hiding the ssid is pointless |
| 09:07.45 | azeem_ | my housemate thought it was a good idea to change the IP range of our WLAN from 192.168.0.x to something random for security reasons |
| 09:07.47 | karsten | berzerka: ... and watch setup very closley. |
| 09:07.53 | Guerin | azeem_: heh |
| 09:07.57 | berzerka | karsten, i will, thanks for now. |
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| 09:08.01 | karsten | azeem_: How long did it take for you to stop laughing? |
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| 09:08.12 | Guerin | azeem_: to a s3kr1t local network? |
| 09:08.13 | karsten | perlmonkey: If you want security, tunnel your communications. |
| 09:08.15 | azeem_ | karsten: well, I know him from uni |
| 09:08.24 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 09:08.40 | nvz | I'd change the locks while he's out... you know for security reasons |
| 09:08.42 | karsten | perlmonkey: ssh or vpn, possibly freeswan |
| 09:08.50 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 09:08.57 | karsten | nvz: Not so you and azeem can have some quality time? |
| 09:09.07 | perlmonkey | I have ssh which I use for root communication to server |
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| 09:09.15 | nvz | karsten: I dont swing that way |
| 09:09.27 | azeem | nvz: he moved out now |
| 09:09.30 | bigh25 | I read that aptitude can show you the new packages just added to the debian archives, but I don't see that option in the GUI. Is there really such a thing? |
| 09:09.34 | karsten | nvz: Big chance! |
| 09:09.35 | JosefK | has anyone fixed some problems with 'synaptics' (touchpad driver) on Sarge? the thing pretty much chokes when I press the left-mouse button |
| 09:09.35 | azeem | we got a microsoft employee now :) |
| 09:09.37 | cydork | Killed: just add exit 0 on top of this /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-common.prerm |
| 09:09.44 | karsten | bigh25: /var/log/aptitude |
| 09:09.45 | azeem | she didn't know how to find out her MAC address though for the WLAN |
| 09:09.54 | azeem | so I had to tell her for YP |
| 09:09.55 | azeem | eh, XP |
| 09:09.55 | karsten | bigh25: Erm. Sorry. |
| 09:09.58 | harsszeg | shit no |
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| 09:10.03 | nvz | azeem: ipconfig /all ffs :P |
| 09:10.04 | bigh25 | karsten: OK |
| 09:10.07 | harsszeg | a joker |
| 09:10.19 | perlmonkey | one more question... how is it possible to keep re-rewriting on CDRW media? how does that work? |
| 09:10.22 | JosefK | s/sarge/etch/ |
| 09:10.25 | karsten | bigh25: "New Packages". Should be second category in the top panel. |
| 09:10.42 | bigh25 | yes, but I don't see it. maybe there are no new packages? |
| 09:11.05 | bigh25 | karsten: I see upgradable and then installed |
| 09:11.06 | liable | if its sarge, no |
| 09:11.07 | karsten | perlmonkey: the cd writer actually applies white-out to the previously written parts of the disk. |
| 09:11.27 | zeeble | karsten: :) |
| 09:11.29 | karsten | bigh25: Then there are no new packages. Are you stable or testing/unstable. |
| 09:11.32 | perlmonkey | karsten: yeah rite :P |
| 09:12.05 | bigh25 | karsten: testing |
| 09:12.05 | nvz | perlmonkey: you can write any cd media until its full or closed, and then if its RW you can erase it and start over |
| 09:12.05 | Guerin | perlmonkey: it's effectively true |
| 09:12.05 | karsten | bigh25: Give it a day or so. |
| 09:12.06 | eml | Does anyone know of a program that could work as post-it notes on a (fluxbox) desktop? |
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| 09:12.06 | bigh25 | karsten: I gave it a night, but I'll give it some extra time. |
| 09:12.06 | karsten | Guerin: Shit, I'm good. |
| 09:12.22 | perlmonkey | nvz: how does the erase mechanism work, does it physically remove a layer of the disc? how come the disc doesnt wear out |
| 09:12.48 | cydork | perlmonkey: magic! |
| 09:12.48 | nvz | perlmonkey: a cd burner will put a high powered laser to a cd to make pits in it, and it does the same thing to erase it, except at a lower power for a longer period of time, and it evens out the surface |
| 09:12.58 | nvz | perlmonkey: it does wear out |
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| 09:13.07 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 09:13.17 | karsten | perlmonkey: http://www.sciam.com/askexpert_question.cfm?articleID=000C9DF5-55AB-1C72-9EB7809EC588F2D7&catID=3&topicID=5 |
| 09:13.22 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 09:13.44 | karsten | nvz: Actually it's not wearing out. |
| 09:13.48 | wols | perlmonkey: max number of writing a cd-rw is usually 1000 times |
| 09:13.53 | karsten | nvz: ... the white-out bottle runs dry. |
| 09:13.56 | nvz | karsten: so sue me |
| 09:14.03 | liable | i had actually wondered that myself, but never was assed enough to check.. thanks :) |
| 09:14.19 | karsten | liable: You could just make stuff up like me. |
| 09:14.43 | karsten | perlmonkey: That r/w cycle isn't too different from flash disk, BTW. |
| 09:14.58 | Guerin | karsten: how do you know when your secretary is australian? |
| 09:15.03 | karsten | perlmonkey: s/cycle/duty cycle/ |
| 09:15.11 | karsten | Guerin: White-out on the monitor? |
| 09:15.28 | Guerin | karsten: s/secretary/chauffer/ |
| 09:15.31 | liable | *groan* |
| 09:15.40 | karsten | Guerin: Do tell. |
| 09:15.50 | Guerin | karsten: karsten windscreen wipers on the inside |
| 09:15.59 | Guerin | s/karsten// |
| 09:16.01 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:16.08 | karsten | Guerin: How do you blind a Korean? |
| 09:16.22 | Guerin | karsten: nope. |
| 09:16.22 | azeem | ... |
| 09:16.26 | _Gnea_ | karsten: show them a shredder? |
| 09:16.37 | karsten | Guerin: Put a windscreen in front of 'em. |
| 09:16.50 | Guerin | azeem: that's right, been out the whole day, and look what happens when I come back |
| 09:16.52 | perlmonkey | I understand now how cdrw works |
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| 09:17.06 | liable | Guerin: goddam you, now i have to find a kiwi joke, but lucklily it wont be hard to top that one :P |
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| 09:17.24 | vorsprung | it says #debian in the status bar thing. I guess irssi is broke |
| 09:17.29 | karsten | vorsprung: actually, around here, that's a stanford student joke. |
| 09:17.34 | azeem | vorsprung: I'm sorry |
| 09:17.45 | simonrvn | "kiwi" joke: s,australian,kiwi, |
| 09:17.49 | wols | vorsprung: wait til .sg people come in. then we drop the jokes part |
| 09:17.58 | Guerin | yeah, substitute your desired object of ridicule |
| 09:18.10 | karsten | Guerin: What's a kiwi with six sheep? |
| 09:18.18 | simonrvn | we use liquid paper here pretty consistently |
| 09:18.19 | liable | simonrvn: no, but i mean a funny one :) |
| 09:18.19 | Guerin | karsten: a polygamist? |
| 09:18.21 | azeem | ok guys |
| 09:18.26 | azeem | ORDER |
| 09:18.29 | simonrvn | er, "" around that |
| 09:18.32 | nvz | azeem: :) |
| 09:18.36 | Guerin | azeem: kung pao chicken and a beer |
| 09:18.38 | liable | i'll have a burger and fries? |
| 09:18.41 | Guerin | azeem: cheers |
| 09:18.45 | nvz | heh |
| 09:18.47 | cydork | heh |
| 09:18.47 | karsten | azeem: Double espresso |
| 09:18.49 | simonrvn | azeem: bison burger, with some spicy fries |
| 09:18.50 | nvz | I just got this joke |
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| 09:19.00 | _Gnea_ | hold the onions |
| 09:19.21 | simonrvn | and a taaalll glass of iced tea |
| 09:19.31 | _Gnea_ | with 4 packets of sugar |
| 09:19.38 | keith | Guys, what user should own my apache2 logh files atm there root:adm is this right or wrong ? and what is the adm user ? |
| 09:19.38 | _Gnea_ | no more, no less |
| 09:19.42 | simonrvn | s,sugar,maple syrup, |
| 09:19.46 | simonrvn | yum! |
| 09:19.56 | liable | karsten: yes iirc thats right |
| 09:19.58 | wols | keith: it's a group |
| 09:20.00 | simonrvn | keith: no, that's right |
| 09:20.09 | liable | stupid nicktab |
| 09:20.17 | _Gnea_ | keith: adm is like admin |
| 09:20.18 | Guerin | keith: that's right. adm is a group of people who aren't root but have some admin responsibilities |
| 09:20.25 | _Gnea_ | keith: and yes, it's set correctly |
| 09:20.28 | keith | I see ok. |
| 09:20.36 | perlmonkey | the metal layer on cdrw media actually can have change between two states (crystalline and amorphous) and the process is fully reversible |
| 09:20.52 | liable | adm is basically only log related anyway innit? what else can adm do? |
| 09:20.53 | Amorphous | mh |
| 09:21.04 | karsten | liable: See Debian Policy. |
| 09:21.09 | wols | perlmonkey: not fully or there weren't a limited number of rewrites |
| 09:21.10 | _Gnea_ | liable: it can cause constipation |
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| 09:21.26 | simonrvn | _Gnea_: when did you grow wings? |
| 09:21.26 | perlmonkey | wols: you can do approx 1,000 rewrites |
| 09:21.28 | liable | karsten: can you read it to me? i am feeling sleepy |
| 09:21.29 | keith | the perms are 640 is that right ? |
| 09:21.38 | _Gnea_ | simonrvn: pardon? |
| 09:21.42 | simonrvn | _ _ |
| 09:21.49 | wols | keith: yes |
| 09:21.53 | _Gnea_ | oh |
| 09:21.57 | keith | When i hit my page it "should" update the log surly ? |
| 09:21.58 | _Gnea_ | when i joined |
| 09:22.03 | wols | keith: yes |
| 09:22.09 | keith | well its not :s |
| 09:22.09 | karsten | keith: Yep. |
| 09:22.11 | simonrvn | keith: of course |
| 09:22.15 | karsten | keith: There may be some buffering. |
| 09:22.17 | wols | keith: depending on syslogd config |
| 09:22.26 | Guerin | keith: make sure you're looking at the right log, apache has more than one by default |
| 09:22.28 | perlmonkey | high power laser is used in a CDRW, and low power i used for reading, the crystalline areas appear light and the amorphous appear dark |
| 09:22.32 | karsten | keith: I'd say after ten hits you should see output. |
| 09:22.55 | _Gnea_ | perlmonkey: that is highly interesting, but what point are you trying to make? |
| 09:22.56 | keith | CustomLog /var/log/apache2/nzsolutions.co.uk combined |
| 09:23.03 | keith | should work ? |
| 09:23.04 | karsten | keith: 'ls -lt' should sort by most-recently-written roder. |
| 09:23.08 | karsten | order, even. |
| 09:23.08 | Guerin | yay for combined logs! |
| 09:23.17 | perlmonkey | _Gnea_: just sharing my findings, thought it might be interesting |
| 09:23.19 | simonrvn | combined r0x |
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| 09:23.39 | keith | ? |
| 09:23.43 | _Gnea_ | combined is the shit, until it's not rotated, then it is shit |
| 09:23.49 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 09:23.55 | perlmonkey | its amazing what technology do, but what does the feature hold for storage media? |
| 09:24.01 | keith | what iv put there should work ? |
| 09:24.20 | _Gnea_ | perlmonkey: crystals that will hold our souls? |
| 09:24.30 | simonrvn | keith: yeh, though a personal preference is sticking ".log" on the end |
| 09:24.32 | Guerin | w00t, my overdraft came through |
| 09:24.38 | perlmonkey | does anyone know why my dvd player doesnt read my cdrw discs? |
| 09:24.52 | _Gnea_ | perlmonkey: cuz it sucks |
| 09:24.53 | keith | ok |
| 09:24.56 | wols | perlmonkey: shitty drive. |
| 09:24.57 | keith | well it doesnt work |
| 09:25.05 | Guerin | perlmonkey: because they don't have the correct video format on them? |
| 09:25.07 | perlmonkey | _Gnea_ crystals as storage media thats a good idea |
| 09:25.18 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 09:25.23 | karsten | perlmonkey: There's some differences among CD media. My experience was old (1997 and earlier) drives failing w/ rewritable media. |
| 09:25.25 | Guerin | perlmonkey: never use a dvd player for a computer's job: ie, playing warez video off the interwebs |
| 09:25.27 | _Gnea_ | perlmonkey: yeah, satellites is a good idea too |
| 09:25.49 | karsten | perlmonkey: Might experiment w/ different media / burners, if possible. |
| 09:25.53 | keith | ffs |
| 09:25.58 | perlmonkey | I got a dvd recorder which supports more video formats than any other I could find, even does divx |
| 09:26.13 | perlmonkey | it handles cdr media no problem, but just wont load any cdrw |
| 09:26.14 | _Gnea_ | a recorder or player? |
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| 09:26.28 | perlmonkey | oh its a player i meant, a set top box one |
| 09:26.42 | ma3x | how can I change the time of the subtitles in mplayer |
| 09:26.51 | ma3x | like, make the lines show up 10 secs earlier |
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| 09:26.55 | liable | perlmonkey: they all mostly suck. i have had two that supposedly support stuff, and.. they dont, its a farce |
| 09:27.04 | _Gnea_ | welp, when you get your priorities straightened out, come on back and talk to us about it |
| 09:27.06 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 09:27.17 | tziku | hello, how can i route an entire class (255 ips): ifconfig eth1 10.10.10.10/WHAT ? |
| 09:27.25 | perlmonkey | mebbes I should invest in a dvd recorder now |
| 09:27.32 | nvz | ma3x: you could do what I always do read that really really fucking large manual. |
| 09:27.40 | _Gnea_ | tziku: ifconfig is not the command to use. it's route or ip |
| 09:27.54 | perlmonkey | do you guys find dvd players can handle dvdrw ok? |
| 09:27.55 | Guerin | ma3x: it's in the manual. You can control it with a key, as well |
| 09:28.09 | ma3x | nvz, xz ok |
| 09:28.18 | ma3x | Guerin, ok thanks |
| 09:28.20 | _Gnea_ | !tell tziku about network |
| 09:28.30 | _Gnea_ | !tell tziku about networking |
| 09:28.34 | tziku | my mistake...not routing...just adding all ip class to an interface |
| 09:28.35 | karsten | perlmonkey: this really isn't a hardware discussion channel. |
| 09:28.44 | perlmonkey | apologies |
| 09:28.53 | karsten | perlmonkey: Not that you're OT (I mean, we're doing worse) but you may not get much / good info. |
| 09:29.02 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 09:29.04 | liable | karsten: thats right, its homicide! |
| 09:29.06 | karsten | tziku: aggregate |
| 09:29.07 | _Gnea_ | tziku: oh, well you need to read the networking howto anyway - it'll explain how it all works and what to type in |
| 09:29.21 | nvz | ugh, I've created a monster |
| 09:29.21 | keith | all i get in my apache log is search engine crap. only 4 lines as well... if i go to my web site and click it a few links etc it does Nothing... Any ideas |
| 09:29.33 | _Gnea_ | nvz: and it's gonna eat you!!! |
| 09:29.37 | nvz | now I am going to have to hear about homicide for the rest of the year |
| 09:29.48 | karsten | tziku: it's an IP CIDR calculator, there's a few others. |
| 09:29.53 | perlmonkey | I finally managed to get my non-supported wifi nic to work in debian! |
| 09:29.57 | karsten | tziku: and a 0.0.0.255 == /24 |
| 09:30.08 | nvz | _Gnea_: it'll be lucky I am eating grandma's chicken soup, and its good |
| 09:30.17 | tziku | thaks karrotx :) |
| 09:30.22 | karsten | nvz: Yeah, it's gonna be murder |
| 09:30.22 | tziku | thanks* |
| 09:30.23 | liable | heh |
| 09:30.29 | _Gnea_ | nvz: that's a crazy food chain :) |
| 09:30.29 | karsten | tziku: YW. |
| 09:30.31 | nvz | of course the rolls taste like shit.. but oh well.. the soup is good |
| 09:30.43 | psycodad | I have a server with 2 interfaces, one is configured with an IP. Now the customer wants to have all servers connected to two redundant switches. Do you think it would work if I configure a bridge for the 2 IF (while still only one has a an IP) or will this create the ultimate broadcast nightmare storm ? |
| 09:31.12 | _Gnea_ | psycodad: nah, that should work fine |
| 09:31.19 | perlmonkey | tesco supermarket is coming to USA next year, you lucky guys will be able to get Value beans |
| 09:31.31 | _Gnea_ | tesco? |
| 09:31.38 | liable | hippy? |
| 09:31.39 | karsten | psycodad: More significantly, looks like the customer's trying to avoid SPOFs. Adding a single bridge introduces a SPOF. Unless I'm misreading you. |
| 09:31.41 | simonrvn | "value beans"? |
| 09:31.42 | perlmonkey | tesco is the uk's largest supermarket |
| 09:31.43 | nvz | karsten: well I'm glad you all learned something anyhow :p |
| 09:31.51 | karsten | nvz: ;-) |
| 09:31.55 | _Gnea_ | you are a lying sack of shit |
| 09:32.03 | karsten | nvz: Tell azeem to hurry up with the espresso. |
| 09:32.09 | nvz | heh |
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| 09:32.28 | simonrvn | he may be sitting |
| 09:32.37 | azeem | no, I'm getting pissed off |
| 09:32.41 | perlmonkey | home delivery could be launched in usa same as uk, great for geeks like myself |
| 09:32.42 | nvz | heh |
| 09:33.03 | nvz | I was getting tired.. but that was like two hours ago.. I'm on a 2nd wave now |
| 09:33.07 | psycodad | karsten: why do you think so, if one switch goes down, the bridge in the server should automatically start using the other interface after all MAC records have timed out, or am I completely off the track.. ? |
| 09:33.08 | perlmonkey | azeem why? |
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| 09:33.13 | nvz | somehow I think I should sleep anyways |
| 09:33.23 | nvz | perlmonkey: cause he woke up to a bunch of fucktards |
| 09:33.33 | perlmonkey | nvz: time to regenerate ;-) |
| 09:33.37 | liable | nothing unusual here :) |
| 09:33.45 | karsten | psycodad: I'm a little weak on this myself. Basically, there should be two fully redundant datapaths. If everything's routing through one switch, there aren't. |
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| 09:33.46 | simonrvn | nothing to see here, move along |
| 09:33.53 | _Gnea_ | nvz: so that explains why he's always pissed off |
| 09:34.04 | azeem | perlmonkey: because most regulars think this channel is made for their personal artistic performance rather than to help people with Debian |
| 09:34.10 | karsten | psycodad: Great book if you've got the time/interest: Scalable Internet Achitectures |
| 09:34.12 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 09:34.23 | nvz | _Gnea_: its better to be pissed off than pissed on, I always say |
| 09:34.28 | azeem | and because xorg-server takes 1GB+ to build |
| 09:34.32 | _Gnea_ | nvz: agreed |
| 09:34.36 | karsten | psycodad: http://www.amazon.com/Scalable-Internet-Architectures-Developers-Library/dp/067232699X |
| 09:34.40 | psycodad | karsten, well ok, the whole concept is flawed there and this requirement is st00pid to say the least IMHO, but I just need to implement that feature and then im off ;-) |
| 09:34.49 | azeem | and I need to continually remove precious pr0n to finish building it |
| 09:34.58 | perlmonkey | sheesh my soundcard no longer works :-/ |
| 09:35.04 | simonrvn | my preeeciousssss |
| 09:35.11 | perlmonkey | you fix one thing and another thing breaks |
| 09:35.15 | psycodad | but well, its government, they have the money to follow up endlessly on flawed concepts |
| 09:35.24 | karsten | azeem: Sorry about the ribbing and OT earlier. A bit of social interaction isn't a bad thing, I agree there should be a balance. |
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| 09:36.12 | _Gnea_ | without social interaction, the channel would be useless. it's the glue that holds it all together. |
| 09:36.21 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 09:36.30 | perlmonkey | some of us dont get out much ;-) |
| 09:36.35 | _Gnea_ | heh |
| 09:36.36 | karsten | azeem: John Sealy Brown's _The Social Life of Information_ does a nice job of laying this out, examplar being Xerox tech coffee chats. |
| 09:36.39 | gzp | lo lo, can I find any help howto create an etch install dvd set? |
| 09:36.45 | karsten | azeem: http://www.sociallifeofinformation.com/ |
| 09:37.01 | karsten | gzp: jigdo should be what you want. |
| 09:37.02 | azeem | karsten: let me guess, those chats don't happen in front of clients? |
| 09:37.08 | nvz | what do you expect from a bunch of nerds who havent seen anything brighter than their CRT/LCD Backlight in a week |
| 09:37.15 | _Gnea_ | !d-i |
| 09:37.16 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 09:37.31 | gzp | karsten: dunno what is jigdo |
| 09:37.35 | azeem | !jigdo |
| 09:37.35 | dpkg | from memory, jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 09:37.37 | karsten | azeem: I don't see a client/vendor interaction here. I see a user group. |
| 09:37.40 | _Gnea_ | gzp: check that ^^ |
| 09:37.42 | nvz | I didnt treat my clients differently than my friends at all.. which is why I had such moral problems and stopped doing tech work |
| 09:37.48 | liable | karsten: i would like to see your bookmark list. it must be like emelda marcos's shoe collection.. one for every occasion :) |
| 09:37.51 | azeem | karsten: ah, so there is the difference |
| 09:37.53 | psycodad | karsten: do you know that book, is it recommendable ? |
| 09:37.54 | perlmonkey | I used jido I rather liked it |
| 09:38.04 | nvz | in fact I am still friends with most of them and dont work for them anymore :P |
| 09:38.06 | azeem | I totally see this as a regular <-> people_who_need_help interaction |
| 09:38.15 | gzp | or, right now installed 3.1, any way to upgrade it to 2.6 kernel? |
| 09:38.22 | karsten | azeem: I've also had some really rich jokes from Xerox techs. And I was the client (well, client rep) at the time. |
| 09:38.29 | _Gnea_ | azeem: you hit the nail on the head. |
| 09:38.38 | karsten | azeem: Point. Also a volunteer workforce. |
| 09:38.39 | azeem | but I suggest continuing this in #debian-meeting if anybody is interested |
| 09:38.50 | nvz | hit the nvz on the head problem solved |
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| 09:38.55 | _Gnea_ | and there's nothing wrong with it. |
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| 09:40.08 | tuxub | hello |
| 09:40.38 | gzp | jigdo for netbsd? |
| 09:41.02 | tuxub | i remember there was an utility similar to rsync but can't remember it's name... can anyone help me? |
| 09:41.47 | Tallu | Is there any place where I could just get a default xf86 conf for a vga driver.. at the moment it gives me errors on out of memory exceptions or something :P |
| 09:42.18 | psycodad | tuxub: unison? |
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| 09:42.39 | Archangelus | tuxub: maybe unison? |
| 09:43.02 | tuxub | i don't think its that |
| 09:43.10 | Archangelus | :-) |
| 09:43.19 | tuxub | it was named like rcp or something... |
| 09:43.32 | wols | !tell tallu about drxx |
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| 09:43.49 | wols | tuxub: rsynx? |
| 09:43.52 | wols | rsync |
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| 09:44.05 | wols | oops. you already men tioned that |
| 09:44.08 | tuxub | :) |
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| 09:44.25 | wols | there are various r* utils, old utils, insecure ones |
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| 09:45.02 | tuxub | i think its rdiff |
| 09:45.07 | tuxub | but im not shure |
| 09:45.12 | tuxub | googled it... |
| 09:45.15 | tuxub | will check |
| 09:45.29 | tuxub | thanks anyone |
| 09:46.58 | sunsfine | lunch |
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| 09:48.07 | sunsfine | today is chinese Mid-Autumn Festival |
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| 09:48.43 | sunsfine | cheers |
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| 09:50.02 | airox | Hi. Are there some security enhanced kernels in the default repositories ? |
| 09:50.14 | airox | Or is there a reliable repository for them ? |
| 09:50.21 | airox | Like grsecurity enabled kernels. |
| 09:50.31 | Guerin | airox: wtf? |
| 09:50.49 | liable | whats the security thing called? |
| 09:50.50 | airox | What ? :) |
| 09:50.51 | Guerin | airox: if you care about security enough to fuck with grsec, you NEED to build your own kernels |
| 09:51.11 | liable | Guerin: innit being included in etch kernel and up? |
| 09:51.24 | Guerin | airox: modern kernels are selinux |
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| 09:51.34 | Guerin | err, modern DEBIAN kernels are selinux |
| 09:51.45 | Guerin | but grsec is still too much of a pain in the arse, mostly |
| 09:52.01 | liable | ah, thats it, selinux i was thinking of |
| 09:52.09 | simonrvn | most distros if not all (the major ones do AFAIK) have selinux-enabled kernels and userspace tools |
| 09:52.22 | simonrvn | grsec2 isn't any better |
| 09:52.28 | Guerin | i say 'still' but in reality it's like that by design and ain't likely to change |
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| 09:52.49 | simonrvn | it's a pain to manage too |
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| 09:55.02 | airox | When I enable SELinux will Debian boot correctly ? |
| 09:55.17 | airox | (Assuming I have installed the userspace utilities) |
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| 09:55.40 | Guerin | airox: selinux is enabled already, i think\ |
| 09:55.44 | karsten | airox: That's the general idea. |
| 09:55.44 | airox | Like ... can I SSH into it. |
| 09:55.46 | karsten | Guerin: It is? |
| 09:55.56 | Guerin | karsten: i thought it was |
| 09:56.20 | airox | SELinux: Disabled at boot. |
| 09:56.41 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 09:56.58 | karsten | Guerin: SELinux *really* plays hell with a lot of stuff. I'd doubt it. |
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| 09:59.32 | airox | Thanks for the information. I am going to look through some information now. |
| 09:59.44 | airox | See ya. |
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| 10:01.58 | Locke | josh moore? |
| 10:02.00 | Locke | holy crap |
| 10:02.10 | Locke | i had a really good friend named josh moore |
| 10:02.14 | Locke | but in anchorage |
| 10:02.27 | Locke | and you're in germany |
| 10:02.29 | Locke | so you couldnt be him |
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| 10:02.56 | helmut | Hi. What is the easiest way to "drop" a package in a pool hierarchy? |
| 10:03.12 | karsten | helmut: ? |
| 10:03.15 | Guerin | helmut: man apt_preferences |
| 10:03.24 | karsten | helmut: uninstall? Or upload to a mirror? |
| 10:03.28 | helmut | upload. |
| 10:03.35 | karsten | helmut: become a DD. |
| 10:03.36 | helmut | let me rephrase: |
| 10:04.12 | helmut | I've got a (local) pool hierarchy and build a package I'd like to put in that hierarchy. (extended debian installer stuff) |
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| 10:04.44 | helmut | karsten: I know that becoming DD is much easier to say than to do. :-P |
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| 10:05.19 | helmut | Guerin: Do you have an idea on that? |
| 10:05.21 | karsten | helmut: if it fits within the purview of an existing project, talk to one of the maintainers. You can nominate stuff as well (check Debian web pages/FAQ for details). |
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| 10:06.02 | manzneri | hello, i'm quite a new to unix/linux and now i'm planning to use debian dist as a router/firewall at my home |
| 10:06.06 | Guerin | helmut: nope |
| 10:06.10 | helmut | karsten: I know most of this. That's not the point. Do you know a tool to put a package into an existing (local) pool hierarchy? |
| 10:06.18 | karsten | helmut: Ah.... |
| 10:06.26 | manzneri | but i have a problem, the installation did not install my other ethernet adapter..so how do i do it manually? |
| 10:06.31 | Guerin | manzneri: aptitude install ipmasq |
| 10:06.42 | karsten | helmut: Got it. Unofficial bits. Um. No. |
| 10:06.44 | Guerin | manzneri: oh. man interfaces, or install and use etherconf |
| 10:06.59 | helmut | debmirror is a pain. |
| 10:07.32 | karsten | manzneri: 'lspci' will show you your cards, NICs are identified as Ethernet, load the appropriate kernel module (ask for help if necessary). |
| 10:07.41 | pitillo | manzneri, is detected the other card? take a look to dmesg output and see if both cards are detected. If yes, you need to config it |
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| 10:07.47 | WireDDD | my 3dfx card refuses to work as with xinerama |
| 10:07.49 | helmut | Has anyone tried reprepro? |
| 10:07.49 | karsten | manzneri: Once you've ID'd the module, you can add it to /etc/modules so it's loaded automatically at boot. |
| 10:08.05 | Guerin | !anyone use reprepro? |
| 10:08.06 | dpkg | No, no one uses reprepro, not even the people who use it. |
| 10:08.17 | manzneri | pitillo: the other card (eth0) is detected automatically and works |
| 10:08.43 | vin` | helmut: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 |
| 10:08.43 | manzneri | eth1 and eth2 cards cant be found ;P |
| 10:08.45 | pitillo | manzneri, and eth1 is detected? (it isn`t the same as configured) |
| 10:08.49 | Guerin | helmut: don't ask the default questions and you won't get the default answers. |
| 10:09.22 | helmut | vin`: thanks |
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| 10:09.31 | pitillo | manzneri, then, you need to add support to that cards. With lspci output you can find the chipset used and you can try to load the propper module. |
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| 10:10.59 | helmut | vin`: Do you know whether I can restrict reprepro to a set of given packages (to be mirrored)? |
| 10:11.18 | helmut | vin`: You know a CD only has about 700MB. |
| 10:11.23 | vin` | helmut: haven't tried it, no. |
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| 10:12.44 | karsten | !tell manzneri about paster |
| 10:12.54 | karsten | manzneri: run lspci and paste output as dpkg just told you |
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| 10:15.36 | karsten | helmut: I suspect you can put only what you want into your repro. Look at the third-party repros such as marillat. |
| 10:16.28 | helmut | karsten: you mean like asking christian marillat what he does? ;-) |
| 10:16.37 | karsten | helmut: That's always an option. |
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| 10:17.35 | karsten | vin`: Nice find BTW. |
| 10:19.13 | karsten | manzneri: ?? |
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| 10:21.41 | helmut | wow. reprepro is a monster. this will take time. thanks and bye. |
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| 10:21.50 | karsten | helmut: g'luck |
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| 10:22.04 | helmut | (and has much better docs than debmirror :-) |
| 10:22.18 | helmut | err departial? whatever! :-) |
| 10:22.44 | helmut | karsten: According to the readme I need that. Thanks. *g* |
| 10:22.45 | simonrvn | it's been updated a lot recently, i have to look at those docs again, and change my scripts around/edit them |
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| 10:26.39 | RichiH | whoah, i am glad i pinned apt-listbugs on the last dis-upgrade instead of just removing it as i had a hunch to do |
| 10:26.47 | RichiH | #391357 is eeevil |
| 10:27.14 | liable | !dbugs 391357 |
| 10:27.17 | dpkg | #391357:G[konsole] konsole flashes and is unusable under kde 3.5.5-1; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:04:08 UTC |
| 10:27.26 | tzitzis | I run xp home in a dual core pc, do I take advantage of the two cores? or my pc runs with one core? |
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| 10:27.50 | karsten | tzitzis: Is this a Debian question? |
| 10:27.56 | liable | hrm, lucky i havent reatsrted konsole in two weeks :) |
| 10:28.03 | SlayerXP | tzitzis: it's a common mistake, but #microsoft-support is actually 3 doors down on the left |
| 10:28.08 | liable | lucky i can spell |
| 10:28.17 | simonrvn | hmm, /me opens kcontrol before starting kde ;) |
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| 10:28.54 | pitillo | xD |
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| 10:30.10 | simonrvn | aaaw |
| 10:30.21 | simonrvn | i'm an uxterm dude meself |
| 10:30.54 | liable | i really like konsole, for reasons that i am not sure other than tabs |
| 10:31.05 | karsten | liable: screen |
| 10:31.05 | RichiH | liable: tabs, yes |
| 10:31.14 | simonrvn | screen++ |
| 10:31.29 | tralala | I used to love the konsole tabs, but the I started to use screen |
| 10:31.36 | karsten | liable: ... and anything that introduces yet another menubar to my desktop must die |
| 10:31.41 | tralala | inseide konsole :) |
| 10:31.42 | pitillo | eterm with escreen theme ... |
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| 10:32.20 | simonrvn | lately i've taken to using yakuake+screen |
| 10:32.33 | karsten | simonrvn: yakuake? |
| 10:32.40 | karsten | simonrvn: That's not obscene in Japan, is it? |
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| 10:33.00 | simonrvn | pres shotkey, drops down or disappears under the top of the screen / panel |
| 10:33.02 | chemaja | wow... just... wow. http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/talk.html |
| 10:33.07 | liable | karsten: yeah, i like screen too, but i just cant seem to not like konsole and its tabs |
| 10:33.11 | simonrvn | s |
| 10:33.15 | simonrvn | dunno japanese =) |
| 10:33.23 | karsten | liable: Can you text-nav between tabs? |
| 10:33.39 | liable | karsten: i can shift > between tabs |
| 10:33.48 | tuxub | are there any advantages between rsync and unison? |
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| 10:34.07 | karsten | tuxub: unision is built on rsync |
| 10:34.08 | pitillo | liable, take a look to resources used... karsten did you try urxvt? little than rxvt |
| 10:34.27 | chemaja | that URL i sent should be in proud Debian user's sigs everywhere :-) |
| 10:34.32 | karsten | pitillo: I tend to run rxvt-unicode, which almost but not quite provides UTF-8 support |
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| 10:34.54 | tralala | karsten: you can configure the keys to switch between tabs. I haven't tried <c-a><c-a> though |
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| 10:35.07 | karsten | tralala: I've pretty much got that hardwired now. |
| 10:35.20 | liable | pitillo: i tried the other xterm that has tabs (dont recall the name) but it was ugly as shit. i dont care so much for resources, i have a gig of mem, and generally have konsole, firefox and thnderbird open only |
| 10:35.44 | karsten | chemaja: Yeah, Manoj's essay's a keeper. |
| 10:35.44 | tralala | karsten: me too. I keep attempting to switch the firefox tabs this way. yaikes! |
| 10:35.50 | karsten | chemaja: ... because it quotes me ;-) |
| 10:35.51 | liable | pitillo: plus a half dozen tabs :) |
| 10:36.07 | chemaja | karsten: for sure. aah, hats off sir (pun intended) |
| 10:36.15 | liable | with screen in one for my server.. |
| 10:36.26 | pitillo | karsten, nice point... mine built from source has support. liable well if you have enought mem... but resources used by Eterm with theme are usefull to little machines, for biggers you save memory for others matters. |
| 10:37.04 | pitillo | liable, xD and you don`t lost in 12tabs? (joking :P) |
| 10:37.17 | chemaja | karsten: i might just have to get my s__t together and start collecting useful URLs like this in wiki.debian.org (advocacy/marketing/features section i suppose) |
| 10:37.44 | karsten | chemaja: Toss Martin Krafft's book at the top of the heap. I finally bought it, 103 pages in. Very good. |
| 10:38.03 | chemaja | karsten: oh CRAP it's already there |
| 10:38.37 | karsten | chemaja: Manoj links to the wiki article I (and others) wrote. There's also http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/linux-new.html |
| 10:38.49 | karsten | chemaja: ...which is an unfinished opus on selecting a Linux distro. |
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| 10:39.24 | cydork | karsten: you write articles? |
| 10:39.29 | karsten | cydork: Sometimes. |
| 10:39.34 | chemaja | karsten: wiki.debian should definately feature more prominently on debian.org -- there is no mention of it on the front page |
| 10:39.35 | karsten | cydork: It may take me years. |
| 10:39.42 | cydork | karsten: heh.. |
| 10:39.50 | karsten | cydork: Right. Is this the wiki which used to be at .net? |
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| 10:40.04 | karsten | Looks like it. |
| 10:40.10 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 10:40.35 | RichiH | hrm |
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| 10:40.47 | RichiH | i just used aptitude to install packages for the first time |
| 10:41.33 | RichiH | hmm |
| 10:41.33 | cydork | RichiH: nice huh? |
| 10:41.35 | tralala | RichiH: heh :) |
| 10:41.36 | RichiH | turns out i ctrl-c'ed that install as it had a bug open, too |
| 10:41.37 | karsten | RichiH: It's good for you, puts hair on your chest. |
| 10:41.48 | RichiH | cydork: nah, i love apt-get |
| 10:42.00 | RichiH | karsten: i have hair on my chest |
| 10:42.01 | chemaja | actually, i wish aptitude's marking of automatically installed packages was actually an orthogonal feature relative to the core debian system (read: integrated into dpkg/whatever databases) |
| 10:42.09 | cydork | RichiH: that's becoz you havn't seen minesweeper yet :P |
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| 10:42.16 | karsten | cydork: tetris |
| 10:42.34 | RichiH | if i want to play , i press ctrl-x t |
| 10:42.39 | karsten | crap. Minesweeper it is. |
| 10:42.41 | Nysis | Hi |
| 10:42.44 | cydork | karsten: heh |
| 10:42.48 | chemaja | ...because if you care about 'knowing' what is cruft and what isn't, then switching between aptitude and apt-get (for installing software) leaves you with incomplete data on this |
| 10:42.56 | cydork | !lose karsten |
| 10:42.57 | dpkg | karsten: You Lose. |
| 10:43.07 | chemaja | ps. karsten, thanks for the link |
| 10:43.39 | karsten | chemaja: NP. |
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| 10:43.47 | karsten | cydork: ... and yes, I lost. |
| 10:44.11 | cydork | !beer karsten |
| 10:44.19 | cydork | karsten: cheer up! |
| 10:44.36 | chemaja | i hate reading good stuff about debian, makes me want to switch away my primary workstation from fedora, and that requires serious effort :( |
| 10:44.38 | chemaja | ;) |
| 10:45.20 | cydork | RichiH: aptitude is much better than apt-get and it has similar syntax too! |
| 10:45.46 | karsten | chemaja: chroot install! chroot install! |
| 10:46.00 | Nysis | 8-) |
| 10:46.06 | chemaja | karsten: eek! P3 600 / 256MB ! ;) |
| 10:46.26 | wols | chemaja: what good things are these? I need more fact to bolster my prejudices against RH |
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| 10:46.50 | tralala | I like aptitude search ~(d|i|c), and I like its interface when I need to explore dependencies |
| 10:46.56 | chemaja | wols: see URLs from myself and karsten |
| 10:46.57 | chemaja | ^^ |
| 10:47.02 | simonrvn | tralala: fuck yeh |
| 10:47.13 | liable | i hate th ui for aptitude, but i use it exclusively |
| 10:47.22 | chemaja | aptitude pwns j00 |
| 10:47.23 | liable | on the cli.. |
| 10:47.28 | chemaja | oh dear i do need sleep |
| 10:47.33 | chemaja | sorry folks |
| 10:47.40 | liable | !lart chemaja |
| 10:47.42 | karsten | dittos. Said I was going 30 mins back. |
| 10:47.44 | chemaja | :D |
| 10:47.46 | karsten | !sleep me |
| 10:47.48 | tralala | simonrvn: yeh as in ", yeah" or as in "you"? |
| 10:47.51 | karsten | Feh. |
| 10:47.55 | simonrvn | yeah |
| 10:48.02 | simonrvn | @bed karsten |
| 10:48.07 | karsten | :-) |
| 10:48.08 | RichiH | cydork: i just prefer apt-get |
| 10:48.13 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 10:48.18 | wols | liable: when I look at the aptitude UI I get dselect flashbacks |
| 10:48.39 | liable | wols: yeah, its not so friendly, but usable if you must :) |
| 10:48.43 | cydork | RichiH: the reason being? |
| 10:49.03 | simonrvn | wols: i got over that eventually ;p |
| 10:49.18 | RichiH | cydork: personal preferences? |
| 10:49.35 | tralala | aptitude's ui is a) okay; b) you don't have to use it if you don't want to |
| 10:49.38 | RichiH | i think the main reason is that aptitude looks similar to dselect |
| 10:49.45 | wols | cydork: my fingers type apt-get on autopilot |
| 10:49.47 | simonrvn | bbiab |
| 10:49.52 | RichiH | and i hated every second of trying to use dselect |
| 10:49.56 | wols | I'd probably have to rename aptitude to apt-get |
| 10:49.58 | cydork | wols: use alias ;) |
| 10:49.58 | RichiH | it's the devil's |
| 10:50.03 | liable | mine type apti<tab> |
| 10:50.15 | cydork | RichiH: it has cli like apt-get |
| 10:50.19 | RichiH | 12:49:35 < wols> cydork: my fingers type apt-get on autopilot |
| 10:50.23 | RichiH | exactly that :p |
| 10:50.23 | tralala | RichiH: use it as cli and the associations with dselect will disappear :) |
| 10:50.28 | RichiH | cydork: i know :) |
| 10:50.45 | RichiH | tralala: well, i still just use apt-get |
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| 10:50.54 | liable | anyway... |
| 10:51.36 | tralala | RichiH: nothing wrong but aptitude's search is superior |
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| 10:52.38 | RichiH | tralala: how so? |
| 10:52.43 | liable | apt-cache has a few benifits that aptitude doesnt (easily) implement |
| 10:53.01 | karsten | !tell RichiH about aptitude |
| 10:53.24 | tralala | wanna know what depends on libc6 before you purge it? aptitude search. wanna know what provides web-browser? aptitude search. wanna know what python packages you have installed? aptitude search. |
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| 10:53.44 | liable | tralala: doesnt apt-cache do that? |
| 10:53.49 | cydork | tralala: you in marketing? :P |
| 10:53.56 | tralala | cydork: heh :) |
| 10:54.12 | tralala | liable: does it? |
| 10:54.27 | liable | tralala: apt-cache show foo? |
| 10:54.53 | tralala | liable: will show you the packages that _depend_ on foo? |
| 10:55.03 | liable | tralala: try it |
| 10:55.19 | RichiH | as a side note, libc is overrated anyway |
| 10:55.26 | RichiH | i make do with a sock |
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| 10:55.36 | liable | heh |
| 10:55.45 | liable | RichiH: thats a smart sock! |
| 10:56.03 | RichiH | indeed |
| 10:56.15 | RichiH | the cheese in it has its own country |
| 10:56.19 | liable | eww |
| 10:56.21 | RichiH | it's _smart_ |
| 10:56.26 | tralala | liable: I've tried it - it didn't show me |
| 10:56.45 | liable | tralala: reverse dpends are you talking about? |
| 10:56.56 | tralala | liable: that's right |
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| 10:57.25 | liable | tralala: well, aptitude doesnt do that either (on the cli anyway) |
| 10:57.34 | tralala | liable: but not only that - have a look at my "marketing" speach again :) |
| 10:57.55 | kapowaz | I'm having an issue at the moment with my debian system; for some reason it's complaining with 'Could not execute '/usr/bin/gpgv' to verify signature' every time I do anything with apt. Apparently gnupg isn't installed, but I don't recall removing it so I'm uncertain why it'd be complaining. Is this a known issue? |
| 10:57.56 | liable | tralala: i have already purchused! |
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| 10:58.15 | kapowaz | I get a warning about being unable to authenticate any packages when I go to install them now too |
| 10:58.22 | chemaja | does attempting to run etch/testing as a primary desktop workstation drive anyone else but me insane? |
| 10:58.24 | liable | jesus christ, i so badly need to do 8th grade english again.. |
| 10:59.07 | cydork | chemaja: nope! |
| 10:59.23 | liable | chemaja: lots of people, but the pain is inversely proportionate to how long you have been running debian (ie, knowledge :) |
| 10:59.24 | tralala | liable: just for the fun of it: aptitude search ~D~ilibc6 |
| 10:59.26 | cydork | chemaja: many of them use sid as primary desktop! |
| 11:00.00 | chemaja | cydork: i dont understand how a single person can handle all the breakages that come their way |
| 11:00.29 | cydork | chemaja: they file bugs! they dont handle it ;) |
| 11:00.31 | chemaja | cydork: ie. most people have better knowledge of one subsystem/area than others... knowing them *all*? |
| 11:00.41 | RichiH | chemaja: also, install apt-listbugs |
| 11:00.41 | liable | tralala: syntax errors |
| 11:01.13 | cydork | chemaja: ya listbugs can save you bigtime from borkage ;) |
| 11:01.15 | RichiH | which is acceptable, considering |
| 11:01.30 | kapowaz | lots of active people here, can't anyone offer a possible solution? |
| 11:01.31 | liable | tralala: nm, my problem.. |
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| 11:01.44 | kapowaz | or at least speculate? |
| 11:01.44 | tralala | liable: second try '~i~Dapt' |
| 11:01.52 | chemaja | cydork: yea, i did run listbugs... but it seriously takes too long for me to determine if those bugs are going to affect me |
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| 11:02.16 | chemaja | cydork: see my dilemma? it's a time / patience / more pressing todo items thing |
| 11:02.19 | cydork | chemaja: that's just matter of experiance like liable said. |
| 11:02.27 | chemaja | cydork: ok, fair enough. |
| 11:02.29 | liable | tralala: neat, must remeber that, or better yet actually learn all the switches |
| 11:02.50 | tralala | interestingly enough while playing with it I discovered that ssh depends on dpkg! |
| 11:02.57 | chemaja | cydork: my problem is i'm in love with debian policy, and no other distro cuts it in terms of this |
| 11:03.01 | chemaja | cydork: :-D |
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| 11:03.07 | tralala | liable: I told'em - it's superior |
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| 11:03.44 | cydork | chemaja: :) |
| 11:03.45 | chemaja | cydork: Fedora is great, but it's a bit too 'black box' for me. |
| 11:03.48 | craigevil | once you get the hang of what apt-listbugs shows its pretty easy |
| 11:04.00 | cydork | chemaja: ewwww |
| 11:04.22 | liable | tralala: hrm, theres something that i cant remember now that i cant get aptitude to do that apt-cache does, may not be tonight, but when i remeber, i will tell ya, and i expect a superior solution! :) |
| 11:04.22 | craigevil | usually unless its a "grave" bug your ok |
| 11:04.24 | chemaja | craigevil: but so many bug titles are not detailed enough to determine at a glance... you have to read all these... this takes time |
| 11:04.30 | tralala | chemaja: fedora is cool for my grandma... for a geek/nerd like me - I'd take debian any time |
| 11:04.46 | chemaja | tralala: fedora is *not* cool for grandmas. |
| 11:04.56 | chemaja | tralala: yea i know you weren't being literal, but yea :D |
| 11:05.00 | cydork | tralala: give her freespire ;) |
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| 11:05.24 | chemaja | and that swirl sure is sexy |
| 11:05.27 | simonrvn | ubuntu is ok for gran'ma |
| 11:05.28 | craigevil | na give her pclinuxos much simple to use |
| 11:05.32 | tralala | chemaja: right, I should've said for my grandma's email sending |
| 11:05.34 | chemaja | yea ubers |
| 11:05.45 | chemaja | ubers sucks balls |
| 11:05.58 | chemaja | tralala: does your grandma seriously do email/ |
| 11:06.06 | cydork | craigevil: pclinuxos is based on mandrake right? |
| 11:06.12 | liable | why is that unreasonable? |
| 11:06.18 | tralala | chemaja: of course not, but if she did she'd be using fedora ;))) |
| 11:06.24 | chemaja | lol |
| 11:06.25 | craigevil | yeah Texstar is the maintaner of it |
| 11:06.32 | craigevil | its actually pretty nice |
| 11:06.42 | chemaja | my grandma uses the microwave and the tv |
| 11:06.47 | chemaja | that's pretty much it ;) |
| 11:07.03 | tralala | your grandma is geeky! |
| 11:07.11 | tralala | microwave, wow! |
| 11:07.25 | chemaja | oh dear, 12 hours of computing *again* today |
| 11:07.30 | chemaja | i really need a hobby |
| 11:07.35 | craigevil | my mom that is 55 uses webtv and has problems using that |
| 11:07.40 | chemaja | oh yea, i have one gnu/linux... |
| 11:07.44 | MatBoy | chemaja, you already found one ? |
| 11:09.00 | tralala | chemaja: install debian - you won't need nother hobby anytime soone |
| 11:09.09 | tralala | oh boy |
| 11:09.16 | tralala | !fix me |
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| 11:09.26 | cydork | chemaja: or if you have the guts install sid! ;) |
| 11:09.55 | MatBoy | cydork, he man, you are awake early |
| 11:09.57 | simonrvn | s,guts,skills, |
| 11:10.12 | tralala | a hobby for life - if you manage to live long enough with sid ;) |
| 11:10.20 | cydork | tralala: i agree :) |
| 11:10.32 | phogg | s/skills/gumption/ |
| 11:10.46 | cydork | MatBoy: it's 1 pm dude.. |
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| 11:10.50 | tralala | !praise simonrvn |
| 11:11.13 | MatBoy | cydork, yeah, here too... normally you as sleeping because you have had too much beer... ah... you was out of beer yesterday indeed ;) |
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| 11:11.40 | MatBoy | s/as/are |
| 11:12.18 | cydork | MatBoy: i stole some of them from my flat mates ;) |
| 11:12.30 | MatBoy | cydork, haha... good idea :) |
| 11:12.44 | MatBoy | but still... you are awake too early in that case :P |
| 11:12.57 | MatBoy | cydork, don't you have to work today ? |
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| 11:13.40 | cydork | MatBoy: i am working ;) |
| 11:13.48 | MatBoy | cydork, ah, good job :D |
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| 11:16.54 | ma3x | is atitvout the only application for tv in/out? |
| 11:17.22 | wols | gatos |
| 11:17.35 | tralala | liable: okay, you do that - I'll send you the bill later ;) |
| 11:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 667] by debhelper |
| 11:18.21 | chemaja | cydork & tralala: hrm. maybe. maybe i *do* need the swirl in my life again. just maybe. |
| 11:18.43 | chemaja | i'll see how hard FC6 bites me |
| 11:18.53 | chemaja | then i'll run into the loving arms of etch |
| 11:19.08 | chemaja | er sid |
| 11:19.33 | chemaja | if unstable is "sid", should experimental be dubbed "pixar"? |
| 11:20.29 | MatBoy | chemaja, sid is testing |
| 11:20.32 | MatBoy | oops |
| 11:20.34 | MatBoy | etch is :D |
| 11:20.41 | MatBoy | !fix MatBoy |
| 11:20.41 | ma3x | wols, I don't have tv card. I'm just trying to input the screen via svideo to my laptop |
| 11:20.58 | tralala | chemaja: if you're looking for adventures you might just stay with fedora or go to slackware rather than installing etch/sid |
| 11:21.48 | cydork | chemaja: experimental is not whole distribution! |
| 11:22.11 | craigevil | experimental is the devil |
| 11:22.16 | _Gnea_ | chemaja: experimental is just a bunch of add-on packages, there's no core boot-up set |
| 11:22.20 | chemaja | speaking of adventures, i never realised how serious/dramatic the Toy Story trailer was: http://www.pixar.com/featurefilms/ts/theater/index.html |
| 11:22.25 | craigevil | sid is bad enough messing with exp is just asking for trouble |
| 11:22.37 | chemaja | _Gnea_: i know. the "pixar" thing was a joke, fellas :D |
| 11:22.45 | _Gnea_ | :) |
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| 11:23.08 | chemaja | FYI, i've run testing/unstable for months on end before |
| 11:23.19 | chemaja | i'm just getting lazier as i get older is all |
| 11:23.26 | _Gnea_ | i've been running unstable for years |
| 11:23.33 | chemaja | _Gnea_: guru |
| 11:23.36 | tralala | !praise _Gnea_ |
| 11:23.39 | _Gnea_ | chemaja: :) |
| 11:23.41 | chemaja | heh |
| 11:23.44 | _Gnea_ | lol |
| 11:23.47 | cydork | hehe |
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| 11:24.06 | chemaja | can we get a "sign my titties, <username>!" |
| 11:24.42 | chemaja | _Gnea_: how homoerotic |
| 11:25.00 | _Gnea_ | !sex |
| 11:25.00 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 11:25.04 | _Gnea_ | er |
| 11:25.05 | tralala | but seriously if all you want is to actually _use_ your computer, just go for stable |
| 11:25.08 | cydork | !gender |
| 11:25.09 | dpkg | I'm male |
| 11:25.17 | chemaja | tralala: i'm too much of a Gnome fanboy for that |
| 11:25.19 | tralala | dpkg: no, you're not |
| 11:25.32 | chemaja | tralala: spose i could backport tho |
| 11:25.39 | _Gnea_ | cydork: thank you |
| 11:25.40 | tralala | chemaja: you bet |
| 11:25.47 | tralala | !gender |
| 11:25.47 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 11:25.54 | _Gnea_ | !gender |
| 11:26.00 | chemaja | !poweroff |
| 11:26.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, poweroff is I'm going to take a nap guys ... zZzZZZzZzZzZ ... oh .. what's that ... humm ... |
| 11:26.05 | _Gnea_ | i think dpkg is confused |
| 11:26.06 | chemaja | hrm. |
| 11:26.11 | tralala | _Gnea_: give it a minute to cool down :) |
| 11:26.19 | _Gnea_ | yeah :) |
| 11:26.21 | _Gnea_ | !gender |
| 11:26.21 | dpkg | I'm female |
| 11:26.22 | chemaja | !make_retard_noises |
| 11:26.26 | _Gnea_ | HA! |
| 11:26.40 | _Gnea_ | see, dpkg is good to me |
| 11:26.44 | chemaja | !fetch_me_a_red_bull_will_you_im_parched |
| 11:26.53 | _Gnea_ | !beer chemaja |
| 11:27.01 | chemaja | red BUUUUUUL damn you |
| 11:27.02 | chemaja | ;) |
| 11:27.09 | glut | anyone remembers !something with dpkg saying he is a cow eating grass, (something something) ? |
| 11:27.09 | _Gnea_ | weak ;) |
| 11:27.19 | chemaja | bear is for the wicked |
| 11:27.21 | chemaja | wicked and fat |
| 11:27.30 | _Gnea_ | heh |
| 11:27.31 | tralala | hey, where's peterS to spank us for abusing the bot |
| 11:27.31 | cydork | chemaja: yes it's for me ;) |
| 11:27.46 | chemaja | i seriously need to get buff |
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| 11:27.49 | craigevil | glut !moo |
| 11:27.49 | _Gnea_ | busy spanking himself, likely |
| 11:27.54 | chemaja | i'm such a fatass linux troll |
| 11:28.06 | chemaja | stupid plentiful food |
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| 11:29.20 | simonrvn | !moo |
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| 11:29.20 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 11:29.22 | tralala | !ibm |
| 11:29.22 | dpkg | it has been said that ibm is International Business Machines - a very spiffy company - who happens to make AIX, OS/400, OS/2, and other cool operating systems, not to mention some of the most superior hardware on the market.. I Blame Microsoft. I Buy Macintosh |
| 11:29.29 | craigevil | fat is the south park kids in the Wow episode |
| 11:29.34 | tralala | | tail -1 |
| 11:30.01 | chemaja | <dpkg> somebody said super cow powers was "apt-get moo", or super cow powers include flying and speaking spanish, or mooing |
| 11:30.10 | simonrvn | ^^ |
| 11:30.19 | cydork | !moo |
| 11:30.19 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 11:30.25 | _Gnea_ | mexicans in space!!! |
| 11:30.25 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 11:30.34 | MatBoy | what the hack has Macintosh todo with IBM ?? |
| 11:30.49 | _Gnea_ | MatBoy: pixels |
| 11:30.56 | simonrvn | MatBoy: more than you think |
| 11:30.56 | chemaja | MatBoy: they both have buttloads more cash than me |
| 11:30.59 | tralala | MatBoy: read it as acronym |
| 11:31.41 | MatBoy | The line there is really strange, IBM is cool, he hates MS and buys Mac... aha... that makes it clear :S |
| 11:31.42 | tralala | actually I fired this because of the "blame" conversation |
| 11:31.47 | chemaja | _Gnea_: you're right... i *am* to blame |
| 11:32.06 | chemaja | biscuits* |
| 11:32.10 | tralala | just to contribute my blame for all the evil in the world |
| 11:32.22 | chemaja | ok, this laptop is getting debian. |
| 11:32.31 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 11:32.45 | chemaja | oh yea, DAMNIT, the DLink Ethernet-over-USB adaptor isn't Linux-compatible |
| 11:32.55 | chemaja | slams* |
| 11:32.57 | tralala | chemaja: see? this is what will happen to you if you are exposed to #debian for extended periods of time |
| 11:33.25 | tralala | !comfort chemaja |
| 11:33.25 | dpkg | There, there, chemaja. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 11:33.36 | simonrvn | 20 lbs. |
| 11:33.48 | _Gnea_ | chemaja: you remind me of a girl that i work with |
| 11:33.59 | chemaja | _Gnea_: cool is she hot |
| 11:34.15 | cydork | chemaja: tried ndiswrapper? |
| 11:34.17 | _Gnea_ | chemaja: yeah |
| 11:34.31 | chemaja | cydork: hrm interesting theory, i'll try and discover the ether chipset on it. thanks. |
| 11:34.46 | simonrvn | ffs, someone stuck in comments in a template again .... |
| 11:35.08 | chemaja | cydork: becuse Linux *does* detect the USB device, just not the device "on" the device (ie. the ethernet). not sure if this matters or not |
| 11:35.11 | _Gnea_ | chemaja: she drove her first car into a wall |
| 11:35.19 | cydork | chemaja: check http://linux-wless.passys.nl |
| 11:35.24 | chemaja | _Gnea_: oh jesus |
| 11:35.33 | _Gnea_ | chemaja: and drove her second car into another girl's car head-on and now the bumper sits in her backseat |
| 11:35.38 | cydork | chemaja: check lsusb and dmesg next time |
| 11:36.02 | chemaja | cydork: it's not wireless, it's laptop <> USB <> dongle thingy <> ethernet cable |
| 11:36.03 | _Gnea_ | i've seen her blow through an intersection without slowing down nor looking both ways |
| 11:36.11 | chemaja | cydork: i *did* |
| 11:36.17 | tralala | _Gnea_: is her car running sid?! ;P |
| 11:36.28 | chemaja | _Gnea_: is she dead? |
| 11:36.31 | chemaja | tralala: LOL! |
| 11:36.36 | _Gnea_ | no stop sign, just one of those intersections where you can't see anyone coming both ways |
| 11:36.41 | simonrvn | and she's still alive? |
| 11:36.41 | _Gnea_ | chemaja: not yet |
| 11:36.43 | _Gnea_ | lol |
| 11:36.45 | chemaja | _Gnea_: whoa |
| 11:36.51 | cydork | tralala: no i bet it's running mandriva or ubuntu perhaps. |
| 11:36.56 | chemaja | womandriva |
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| 11:37.03 | tralala | hehe :) |
| 11:37.09 | simonrvn | DDs: do not put # comments in debconf templates PLEASE |
| 11:37.15 | nefertum | how can I install automake MACROS in debian? |
| 11:37.28 | chemaja | my friend pronounced it "man driver" the other day, i had to laugh. i assume it's "man dreee va" |
| 11:37.32 | _Gnea_ | nefertum: i *think* by tweaking m4 |
| 11:37.46 | chemaja | tralala: i heard it costs more to insure a laptop running womandriva ;) |
| 11:37.49 | simonrvn | chemaja: yeh i think so too |
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| 11:38.15 | chemaja | simonrvn: because "mandrake" wasn't "man draark" :D |
| 11:38.45 | simonrvn | hehe, and it was 'connectiva', long i |
| 11:38.53 | _Gnea_ | nefertum: or apt-get install |
| 11:38.55 | _Gnea_ | oops |
| 11:39.02 | _Gnea_ | nefertum: or apt-get install automake1.9-doc |
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| 11:39.16 | _Gnea_ | and look in /usr/share//doc/automake1.9-doc/ |
| 11:39.16 | tralala | womandriva connectiva sounds hot... or should I say dirty? |
| 11:39.50 | nefertum | i've installed m4 package, but the compilation i'm making still fails |
| 11:39.58 | tralala | oh boy, I really need to get fixed |
| 11:40.07 | _Gnea_ | nefertum: what are you trying to compile? |
| 11:40.08 | simonrvn | !fix tralala |
| 11:40.19 | nefertum | _Gnea_: wormux |
| 11:40.35 | chemaja | simonrvn: aaaah conectiva... k... never followed that changeover, i just woke up one day and mandrake had a sex change :D |
| 11:40.51 | chemaja | tralala: lol@dirty |
| 11:40.54 | _Gnea_ | nefertum: why? there are already packages for it |
| 11:41.04 | simonrvn | mandrake bought the latter IIRC, or they merged, or something |
| 11:41.15 | chemaja | or yea. mandrake sucked balls |
| 11:41.28 | _Gnea_ | and still does |
| 11:41.35 | chemaja | though it *was* my first "serious" linux distro, iirc |
| 11:41.42 | _Gnea_ | sadly, it's not sucking my balls |
| 11:41.46 | chemaja | i ran back to the loving arms of redhat |
| 11:41.48 | simonrvn | TMI |
| 11:41.53 | _Gnea_ | :) |
| 11:42.03 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 11:42.05 | chemaja | jesus i wish my g |
| 11:42.19 | chemaja | +irlfriend would hurry up and get here, i'm getting delerious |
| 11:42.23 | simonrvn | i REALLY need to go sleep.... |
| 11:42.23 | kapowaz | I've just run a dist upgrade and my PHP5 module no longer works with Apache 2.2 - this is what I get when I try to start my server: apache2: Syntax error on line 117 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: API module structure `php5_module' in file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so is garbled - perhaps this is not an Apache module DSO? |
| 11:42.33 | kapowaz | any suggestions? |
| 11:42.36 | cydork | kapowaz: sid?? |
| 11:42.37 | simonrvn | kapowaz: um, because it was removed? |
| 11:42.46 | chemaja | later, folks. |
| 11:42.53 | kapowaz | cydork: yes |
| 11:42.53 | simonrvn | kapowaz: um, BTS? |
| 11:42.54 | tralala | I was only sadduced by redhat, but 9.0 wanted sooo much out of my poor laptop that I kicked her and married debina |
| 11:43.01 | kapowaz | BTS? |
| 11:43.05 | cydork | !bts |
| 11:43.05 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 11:43.07 | _Gnea_ | kapowaz: what is the output of this command: file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so |
| 11:43.08 | chemaja | tralala: aah debbie |
| 11:43.18 | tralala | ooooh, yes! |
| 11:43.19 | simonrvn | YOU RUN sid AND DON'T KNOW ABOUT BTS!? |
| 11:43.25 | kapowaz | _Gnea_: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), stripped |
| 11:43.34 | chemaja | simonrvn: that was me once upon a time |
| 11:43.35 | cydork | _Gnea_: it's a known issue, it's borked. |
| 11:43.41 | _Gnea_ | ah ok |
| 11:43.51 | kapowaz | PHP5 is broken? :( |
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| 11:44.03 | simonrvn | no, downgrade apache2 |
| 11:44.09 | kapowaz | how do I do that? |
| 11:44.11 | cydork | kapowaz: it's sid!! wht dont you understand? |
| 11:44.11 | craigevil | php5 isnt really broken apache is |
| 11:44.12 | _Gnea_ | well, as the name implies, it's 'unstable' |
| 11:44.14 | simonrvn | you should've stuck it on hold |
| 11:44.16 | craigevil | use apache from testing |
| 11:44.23 | kapowaz | cydork: okay, okay |
| 11:44.24 | tralala | may thing that php<insert_version_here> is broken |
| 11:44.26 | tralala | think |
| 11:44.30 | tralala | many |
| 11:44.34 | _Gnea_ | i wish apt-listbugs would hurry up and get fixed |
| 11:44.35 | tralala | aaargh *$&#@ |
| 11:44.49 | tralala | !pal kapowaz |
| 11:44.53 | simonrvn | now you see why you shouldn't |
| 11:44.57 | tralala | I couldn't stop that |
| 11:45.03 | kapowaz | thanks |
| 11:45.21 | simonrvn | ok, now the humiliation session is over... |
| 11:45.24 | kapowaz | so, the easiest way to solve this is to downgrade apache2 back to an earlier version from testing? how do I do that? |
| 11:45.26 | simonrvn | kapowaz: downgrade apache2 |
| 11:45.30 | chemaja | kapowaz: *always*? what OS did you run prior to sid, if any at all? |
| 11:45.33 | simonrvn | sec |
| 11:45.50 | kapowaz | uh, well as far as linux is concerned, always sid |
| 11:45.51 | chemaja | kapowaz: or "parallel with sid" |
| 11:46.03 | _Gnea_ | kapowaz: remove apache2, install the old apache2, place it on hold, then install php5 |
| 11:46.04 | kapowaz | what? like, as a desktop? |
| 11:46.07 | simonrvn | kapowaz: first, you figure out what the source package is for apache2 |
| 11:46.18 | chemaja | kapowaz: yea, like something you can actually rely on while you learn/break sid |
| 11:46.28 | kapowaz | chemaja: generally I don't use Linux for the desktop |
| 11:46.30 | simonrvn | kapowaz: second, you figure out where you get older packages |
| 11:46.32 | kapowaz | so Windows/OS X etc. |
| 11:46.32 | chemaja | kapowaz: ie. back in your n00b days |
| 11:46.35 | chemaja | kapowaz: oh. |
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| 11:46.40 | chemaja | kapowaz: k |
| 11:46.45 | kapowaz | hm? |
| 11:47.02 | tralala | chemaja: you speak as if they are over... |
| 11:47.06 | kapowaz | like, until it's a good desktop OS |
| 11:47.24 | _Gnea_ | it beats the spanks out of OSX and windows if you know how to use it |
| 11:47.24 | kapowaz | anyway. politics over. |
| 11:47.34 | kapowaz | _Gnea_: funny, because I can't play the games I want on it. |
| 11:47.35 | chemaja | kapowaz: there was politics? |
| 11:47.36 | kapowaz | or use Photoshop |
| 11:47.37 | blackelf | linux desktop rox |
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| 11:47.41 | kapowaz | so it's no good for what I need. |
| 11:47.43 | kapowaz | end of. |
| 11:47.47 | _Gnea_ | kapowaz: even with cedega? |
| 11:47.51 | chemaja | simonrvn: sid? |
| 11:47.57 | tolecnal | linux has become a good desktop os.. the only thing lacking now is that game developers wake up and start making linux versions in paralell to the DX versions |
| 11:48.06 | kapowaz | if I wanted a 20% performance drop I'd not spend hard-earned cash on high end components |
| 11:48.12 | simonrvn | chemaja: at first it was potato (then stable), then testing, then sid |
| 11:48.26 | kapowaz | tolecnal: yeah, because learning OGL instead of DX is a viable decision for developers |
| 11:48.31 | _Gnea_ | i'm picky about what games i play |
| 11:48.31 | kapowaz | anyway this is way, way, way off topic |
| 11:48.39 | kapowaz | fixing apache is key |
| 11:48.51 | chemaja | simonrvn: why'd you leave testing? |
| 11:48.51 | kapowaz | how do I place it on hold once I've installed an earlier version? |
| 11:48.54 | _Gnea_ | your mom is offtopic. good luck :) |
| 11:49.16 | tolecnal | kapowaz: developing both versions simultaniously isn't that hard :) |
| 11:49.22 | simonrvn | kapowaz: you visit http://snapshot.debian.net/; then put the two together and you get: |
| 11:49.27 | kapowaz | tolecnal: then go and do it |
| 11:49.27 | ma3x | this is just incredible |
| 11:49.31 | ma3x | I just bought a firewire hard disk |
| 11:49.38 | tralala | kapowaz: so not only you run sid, but you run it on a server?! This is _not_ a smart thing to do. |
| 11:49.39 | ma3x | and I get this erros: sd 8:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to offline device |
| 11:49.39 | ma3x | sd 8:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to offline device |
| 11:49.51 | ma3x | __journal_remove_journal_head: freeing b_frozen_data |
| 11:49.54 | kapowaz | tralala: noted |
| 11:49.55 | simonrvn | deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool apache2 |
| 11:49.55 | _Gnea_ | ma3x: are you sure you set it up right? |
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| 11:50.00 | simonrvn | kapowaz: ^^ |
| 11:52.14 | kapowaz | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 11:52.14 | tolecnal | kapowaz: ummmm, listen to yourself man.. but if you're going to conduct a discussion in such a manner, good luck on your problem.. have a nice day |
| 11:52.15 | _Gnea_ | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 11:52.39 | simonrvn | kapowaz: that's a freebie so you can get that fixed |
| 11:52.41 | Braindead | !whambulance |
| 11:52.41 | _Gnea_ | ka-chink |
| 11:52.41 | tralala | kapowaz: no, really - install sarge |
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| 11:52.41 | kapowaz | tolecnal: what, because I don't want to get involved in your political discussion of why people should write games for linux, that means I don't deserve help with my debian-related problem? |
| 11:52.42 | kapowaz | jesus. nerds. |
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| 11:52.42 | tralala | !comfort kapowaz |
| 11:52.42 | dpkg | There, there, kapowaz. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 11:52.42 | _Gnea_ | kapowaz: screw you. |
| 11:52.42 | craigevil | woot netsplit |
| 11:52.42 | tzitzis | look what I did |
| 11:52.43 | debula | I need help on installing debian 3.1R3 on my laptop (compaq presario V2000) |
| 11:52.43 | stew | kapowaz: _Gnea_: stop |
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| 11:52.43 | kapowaz | tralala: if I changed my sources.list to use testing instead ...? |
| 11:52.43 | stew | kapowaz: there is no reason for name calling |
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| 11:52.43 | _Gnea_ | done. |
| 11:52.43 | kapowaz | _Gnea_: I wasn't directing my comment at you |
| 11:52.43 | kapowaz | and I've ignored the individual in question |
| 11:52.43 | stew | kapowaz: drop it |
| 11:52.43 | Braindead | btw using debian makes you a nerd overnight. run while you can |
| 11:52.43 | kapowaz | Braindead: touche |
| 11:52.44 | tolecnal | kapowaz: that is not what I said, but it seems like your attitude is biting yourself in the arse. hence the reason I said; "good luck, have a nice day" |
| 11:52.44 | tralala | kapowaz: for a server use sarge. You can't downgrade in any case - you have to reinstall. |
| 11:52.44 | debula | I'm trying to install debain on my laptop using the netinst mini cd |
| 11:52.44 | kapowaz | hmm okay. |
| 11:52.44 | stew | tralala: stop |
| 11:52.44 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 11:52.44 | tralala | stew: eh? |
| 11:52.44 | kapowaz | can't I change it to use testing sources and wait for them to catch up? |
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| 11:52.45 | stew | tralala: not you, sorry |
| 11:52.45 | simonrvn | kapowaz: that would take a long time |
| 11:52.45 | kapowaz | that be as it may, it's got to be easier than reinstalling surely? |
| 11:52.45 | cydork | debula: what is the problem? |
| 11:52.45 | simonrvn | the downgrade is going to be easier |
| 11:52.45 | _Gnea_ | debula: what's the problem? |
| 11:52.46 | debula | after installing the base part, when it reboots, there's an error saying that lots of modules are missing! |
| 11:52.56 | Braindead | kapowaz: don't change to "testing",change to "etch" so it will get frozen to stable once etch is officially released (hopefully within the year) |
| 11:53.00 | tralala | kapowaz: no, you can't - you can risk it but _I_ do not recommend it |
| 11:53.11 | simonrvn | kapowaz: and, use aptitude to select the 2.0 version ... |
| 11:53.12 | _Gnea_ | debula: that's okay, is it running alright otherwise? |
| 11:53.17 | kapowaz | hmm |
| 11:53.35 | kapowaz | why don't I just downgrade apache2 to start |
| 11:53.35 | debula | cydork: this is the exact error : insomd: /lib/..../hw_random.o: insmod hw_random failed |
| 11:53.39 | simonrvn | i've done this sort of shit before. |
| 11:53.56 | debula | cydrok: no, I cannot even boot up the machine |
| 11:53.58 | simonrvn | kapowaz: that's what i'm talking about |
| 11:54.01 | _Gnea_ | kapowaz: yeah - take it one step at a time. beer can help :) |
| 11:54.26 | kapowaz | beer at work? hmm, there's an idea |
| 11:54.28 | debula | cydrok: many of the modules have incorrect parameter as said by the hint |
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| 11:54.33 | tralala | kapowaz: run stable, man. It is for servers. This is why they make it stable. Really. I mean it. |
| 11:54.33 | kapowaz | actually I'm supposed to be going to a bar for lunch in 5 |
| 11:54.38 | cydork | debula: which version of debian are you trying to install? |
| 11:54.47 | kapowaz | tralala: well... stable is way behind on some of the stuff I use |
| 11:54.50 | debula | cydrok: 3.1r3 |
| 11:54.53 | kapowaz | that's why I've tended to go for unstable |
| 11:54.57 | kapowaz | but maybe testing would be better |
| 11:55.01 | debula | cydrok: sarge if i'm not mistaken |
| 11:55.03 | _Gnea_ | debula: when you installed the minicd, did you press enter at the initial boot: prompt or did you type something and then press enter? |
| 11:55.04 | tralala | kapowaz: add backports on taste |
| 11:55.04 | stew | kapowaz: /msg dpkg backports |
| 11:55.04 | cydork | debula: also to see if your hardware supported. /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 11:55.14 | kapowaz | etch is the codename for testing atm right? |
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| 11:55.16 | simonrvn | kapowaz: if you decide to do testing, sub to debian-security-announce |
| 11:55.17 | ma3x | printk: 39 messages suppressed. |
| 11:55.18 | ma3x | Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 1545 |
| 11:55.18 | ma3x | lost page write due to I/O error on sdb1 |
| 11:55.19 | _Gnea_ | kapowaz: yes |
| 11:55.19 | debula | _Gnea_: just enter |
| 11:55.23 | ma3x | why do I get those error messages? |
| 11:55.25 | simonrvn | kapowaz: you should do that regardless |
| 11:55.25 | ma3x | I just bought the hard drive |
| 11:55.27 | stew | kapowaz: testing is not appropriate for a server. it doesn't get security updates. the current apache in testing has several known vulnerabilities |
| 11:55.37 | mattt | hey guys, i've just upgraded my kernel to kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 11:55.37 | tralala | stew: it does now |
| 11:55.46 | simonrvn | ma3x: your disk is either fucked, or your fs is in serious need of repair |
| 11:55.47 | tralala | securty, that is |
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| 11:55.54 | _Gnea_ | debula: ok, then you're probably running the 2.4 kernel. try doing a reinstall - this time, at the boot prompt, go at it like this: boot: linux26<enter> |
| 11:55.54 | blackelf | ma3x: your hardware is fucked up |
| 11:55.56 | mattt | and when i boot i get a kernel panic ... any suggestions? |
| 11:56.05 | _Gnea_ | !linux26 |
| 11:56.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, linux26 is the sarge installer comes with both a 2.4 and 2.6 kernel. It defaults to 2.4 which may not work for newer hardware. If you have trouble installing with the default kernel, try the 2.6 kernel by typing "linux26" at the boot: prompt of the installer CD |
| 11:56.10 | simonrvn | ma3x: you'll need to replay the log if it is just the fs |
| 11:56.11 | tralala | this doesn't make it good for a server anyhow |
| 11:56.16 | debula | _Gnea_: exactly, 2.4.27 |
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| 11:56.27 | stew | mattt: you boot from a SATA drive? |
| 11:56.31 | _Gnea_ | debula: ok - give 2.6 a shot and see what happens |
| 11:56.41 | mattt | stew: scsi -- megaraid controller (dell 2850) |
| 11:56.46 | debula | _Gnea_: how can I do that? |
| 11:56.57 | _Gnea_ | debula: just as i described it |
| 11:57.03 | _Gnea_ | !tell debula about linux26 |
| 11:57.12 | craigevil | firefox rc2 just got released |
| 11:57.13 | debula | _Gnea_: like linux26? or is it linux2.6? |
| 11:57.21 | ma3x | simonrvn, it's just the FS. what do you mean by that ' you need to replay the fs ' ? |
| 11:57.23 | simonrvn | craigevil: thanks |
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| 11:57.27 | GTX- | Hello, I've installed 2.6.18 kernel, complied from kernel.org. However now when it boots it says "root /dev/sda1 - Error 11 unreconized device string - Press any key to continue" even when I select the old kernel I get the same, any ideas? |
| 11:57.30 | simonrvn | ma3x: the log not the fs |
| 11:57.37 | simonrvn | ma3x: sounds like it got buggered |
| 11:57.39 | _Gnea_ | debula: linux26 is the command to install 2.6, they just shortened it to make it easier and less confusing |
| 11:57.43 | stew | mattt: is it possible your boot loader doesn't know about the initrd? (assuming you installed a debian kernel) |
| 11:57.53 | ma3x | simonrvn, yeah, if I connect it via usb, no problem. but it fucks with the firewire |
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| 11:58.03 | mattt | stew: i installed via apt ... initrd is there ... i even built my own initrd but nothing |
| 11:58.18 | debula | _Gnea_: I just did so, but what exactly is the reason? i want to learn! |
| 11:58.19 | mattt | stew: "Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! " |
| 11:58.30 | stew | mattt: something about /dev/console? |
| 11:58.34 | _Gnea_ | debula: LOL! you may need to google that one ;) |
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| 11:58.46 | mattt | stew: nope, it tries to load the USB stuff and then bombs out |
| 11:59.01 | debula | _Gnea_: thank you! it's installing the base now! I hope it works |
| 11:59.08 | _Gnea_ | cool |
| 11:59.19 | tralala | debula: you'll be a happy debian user soon! |
| 11:59.22 | craigevil | http://www.google.com/linux is your friend |
| 11:59.27 | simonrvn | ma3x: ah, maybe a bad interaction that's fucking up something. probably a bug |
| 11:59.45 | ma3x | simonrvn, so what should I do not? I dont have any other usb port |
| 11:59.46 | ma3x | shit |
| 11:59.50 | _Gnea_ | time for more water... |
| 11:59.52 | simonrvn | ma3x: i'd try to figure out where it's stuffing up, and report it to the kernel people |
| 12:00.02 | ma3x | where do I find the kernel people? |
| 12:00.09 | simonrvn | !lkml |
| 12:00.09 | dpkg | well, lkml is the linux kernel mailing list (read /usr/src/linux/REPORTING-BUGS before you post there and ALSO read http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |
| 12:00.16 | debula | tralala: yeah, i think so, i just switched from ubuntu to debian :) looks more scientific in debian ;) |
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| 12:00.50 | GTX- | Hello, I've installed 2.6.18 kernel, complied from kernel.org. However now when it boots it says "root /dev/sda1 - Error 11 unreconized device string - Press any key to continue" even when I select the old kernel I get the same, any ideas? |
| 12:01.45 | tralala | debula: wooow, scientific! |
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| 12:02.07 | blackelf | GTX-: boot live cd, check if /dev/sda1 is ok |
| 12:02.10 | simonrvn | i feel naked without the gimp installed |
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| 12:02.40 | tralala | simonrvn: you're disgusting... ;P |
| 12:02.47 | dererk[w] | G'Morning/Buen dÃa! :-) |
| 12:03.03 | simonrvn | tralala: :D |
| 12:03.07 | simonrvn | dererk[w]: hello |
| 12:05.36 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 12:06.30 | debula | same problem guys! |
| 12:06.32 | debula | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.33 | debula | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.33 | debula | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.42 | cydork | debula: which laptop is this? |
| 12:06.57 | tralala | debula: is this during the installation or after that? |
| 12:06.58 | debula | cydrok: compaq presario v2000 |
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| 12:07.08 | mattt | stew: strange, that time it did mention /dev/console |
| 12:07.18 | cydork | debula: i had similar problem with i810. i had put that in blacklist and it worked fine |
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| 12:07.23 | debula | tralala: exactly after rebooting the system to install packages from internet |
| 12:07.40 | debula | cydrok: how to do that? |
| 12:07.40 | tralala | debula: do as cydork says and blacklist it |
| 12:07.47 | tralala | debula: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 12:07.55 | cydork | debula: do you have a live cd? |
| 12:08.23 | debula | cydrok: I have a ubuntu dapper live CD! |
| 12:08.44 | tralala | yikes |
| 12:09.01 | Braindead | !!!! |
| 12:09.01 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 12:09.08 | Braindead | indeed |
| 12:09.11 | cydork | debula: ya you can use that i guess then just mount the / filessytem edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist put i810_audio in that. |
| 12:09.40 | debula | cydrok: wow! ok, i'm doing it right now |
| 12:09.41 | cydork | debula: or if it's a laptop you can install etch too. |
| 12:10.06 | wols | debula: you're way too enthusiastic |
| 12:10.20 | wols | ...and it's spreading! |
| 12:10.52 | debula | wols: why not? I'm learning that |
| 12:10.56 | wols | tralala: you can't be nervous without exclamation marks |
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| 12:11.05 | tralala | !!!! |
| 12:11.06 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 12:11.10 | cydork | tralala: etch is not bad. he was using ubuntu ;) |
| 12:12.05 | cydork | tralala: na i use stable only for servers. my laptop and desktop stays on testing or sid sometimes :P |
| 12:12.37 | marsje | Question: can I use m-a to build a module that is not a official debian source package but just some source directly from svn? |
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| 12:12.44 | tralala | |fanboy|zealot |
| 12:12.51 | tralala | !praise cydork |
| 12:13.05 | wols | !gender |
| 12:13.06 | dpkg | I'm not sure |
| 12:13.10 | debula | cydrok: but I need my laptop to be stable! the data on it is important for me:( |
| 12:13.28 | tralala | debula: go for sarge |
| 12:13.34 | cydork | debula: do what i said like that blacklisting thing. |
| 12:13.34 | wols | debula: that's what backups are for. you do have backups? |
| 12:13.56 | tralala | debula: you'll upgrade to etch in a few months when (hopefully) it's released |
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| 12:14.06 | debula | wols: no! no backup so far! |
| 12:14.18 | wols | debula: then the data cannot be important. QED |
| 12:14.18 | debula | tralala: is it the new version of debian? |
| 12:14.40 | tralala | debula: it's scheduled to be in December |
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| 12:14.56 | nightfly | hi all |
| 12:15.01 | debula | tralala: yupp! |
| 12:15.07 | nightfly | ake sure your kernel is compiled with wireless extensions (CONFIG_NET_WIRELESS) and USB support --> how i can do that? |
| 12:16.22 | cydork | nightfly: grep CONFIG_NET_WIRELESS /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 12:16.25 | Braindead | nightfly: using a debian precompiled image. and by grep NET_WIRELESS /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 12:16.26 | tralala | nightfly: by installing a debian kernel |
| 12:17.02 | GTX- | Hello, I've installed 2.6.18 kernel, complied from kernel.org. However now when it boots it says "root /dev/sda1 - Error 11 unreconized device string - Press any key to continue" even when I select the old kernel I get the same, any ideas? |
| 12:17.11 | tralala | which happens to be compiled with both of the above |
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| 12:17.31 | vin` | nightfly: what wifi chip? |
| 12:17.48 | nightfly | CONFIG_NET_WIRELESS=y |
| 12:17.48 | debula | cydork: there's no blacklist file in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 12:17.58 | nightfly | zd1211 |
| 12:17.59 | debula | cydork: do i need to create a new file? |
| 12:18.00 | tralala | GTX-: next time use backports |
| 12:18.06 | cydork | debula: oh wait you are using sarge. |
| 12:18.10 | cydork | !blacklist |
| 12:18.10 | dpkg | i heard blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 12:18.14 | GTX- | tralala, nope needed custcom complie |
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| 12:18.33 | DaveyB | Hey guys on Debian etch, does it have it's own built in firewall? |
| 12:18.38 | cydork | debula: read what dpkg said. |
| 12:18.40 | tralala | GTX-: see where the custom compile got ya? |
| 12:18.43 | debula | cydrok: ok |
| 12:18.48 | GTX- | tralala, worked before. |
| 12:19.22 | nightfly | vin`, is zd1211 |
| 12:19.27 | nightfly | usb wi-fi |
| 12:19.32 | tralala | DaveyB: yes, as long as you use the linux kernel |
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| 12:19.49 | cydork | nightfly: check http://linux-wless.passys.nl |
| 12:19.59 | cusco | would you advise any tool to read trough /var/mail/cusco and delete spam? |
| 12:20.25 | sprink | !tell DaveyB -about iptables |
| 12:20.29 | tralala | nightfly: I have zd1211 usb - works fine. They say it's built-in in 2.6.18 |
| 12:20.51 | nightfly | i've got a 2.4.* kernel |
| 12:20.52 | tralala | firmware and module sources in debian as well |
| 12:20.53 | cusco | hmm my zd1211b usb has weak link |
| 12:20.54 | cusco | :| |
| 12:20.57 | tralala | nightfly: upgrade |
| 12:21.10 | nightfly | tralala, how? |
| 12:21.26 | tralala | nightfly: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 12:21.50 | tralala | for sarge which I hope you're using |
| 12:22.08 | nightfly | yep, it's sarge |
| 12:22.24 | tralala | then go for it, tiger! |
| 12:23.28 | debula | cydrok: wooooow! DONE! :D thank yuo |
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| 12:24.23 | nightfly | after this upgrade |
| 12:24.39 | nightfly | what have i to do? |
| 12:24.45 | vin` | nightfly: you probably need third party firmware. |
| 12:24.54 | nightfly | yep |
| 12:24.58 | tralala | vin`: the firmware is in debian non-free |
| 12:25.01 | nightfly | i've installed it yet |
| 12:25.52 | nightfly | updated |
| 12:25.56 | tralala | nightfly: you reboot with 2.6 and either get zd1211-{firmware,source} from etch/sid or the sources for the homepage |
| 12:26.24 | nightfly | yes, |
| 12:26.37 | nightfly | i've just installed firmware and sources packages |
| 12:26.45 | tralala | now compile with m-a |
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| 12:27.05 | tralala | nightfly: did you boot 2.6? |
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| 12:27.48 | nightfly | i'll reboot |
| 12:27.52 | nightfly | just a minut |
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| 12:29.56 | vin` | !ketchup |
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| 12:33.11 | DaveyB | I think my firewall is stopping BitTornado from working, I haven't installed a firewall with ETCH and did a base install. I have a firewall on my router but I have used bittorrent clients on other computers and it works fine. |
| 12:34.12 | zamuro | DaveyB: try nmap -sS localhost |
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| 12:34.22 | MatBoy | cydork, it's almost WEEKEND :D |
| 12:34.35 | zamuro | Check your open ports. |
| 12:34.53 | ma3x | !firewire |
| 12:34.54 | dpkg | i guess firewire is Apple's name for the connection also known as Sony i.Link and IEEE1394. A fast 400Mbit/sec (or 800mbit/sec) connection, designed for transferring large data streams. Also suitable for network connections. See http://www.linux1394.org/ |
| 12:34.58 | tralala | DaveyB: I don't think it's a local firewall issue |
| 12:35.17 | ma3x | anyone any idea about these errors sd 11:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to offline device |
| 12:35.52 | ma3x | I use sid, i've been googling and saw that vanila kernel has the same problem and they offer a patch. is that patch somewhere for sid too? |
| 12:36.01 | DaveyB | Can someone please give me a hand, this is what I have tried so far: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --destination-port 6881:6999 -j ACCEPT iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --source-port 6881:6999 -j ACCEPT and iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 6881:6889 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.2 || iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.1.2 -p tcp --dport 6881:6889 -j ACCEPT |
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| 12:36.29 | tralala | DaveyB: do you have to have a firewall on this computer? |
| 12:36.43 | zamuro | DaveyB: Why are you using iptables if you still don't know if you actually have a firewall running? |
| 12:36.55 | DaveyB | zamuro, These are the ports that are open: 25 <smtp>,111 <rpcbind>,113 <auth>,631 <ipp> |
| 12:36.55 | DaveyB | 111/tcp open rpcbind |
| 12:36.55 | DaveyB | 113/tcp open auth |
| 12:36.55 | DaveyB | 631/tcp open ipp |
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| 12:37.16 | zamuro | Pastebin, dude... U might get kicked LOL |
| 12:37.30 | DaveyB | sorry about that. Forgot to remove the enter parts on XChat. :P |
| 12:37.47 | blondie | naughty |
| 12:37.59 | Braindead | DaveyB: bittornado uses different minport/maxport |
| 12:38.10 | tralala | DaveyB: so do you? |
| 12:38.16 | DaveyB | zamuro, Not sure, someone told me to do that, when I asked if i had a firewall (tralala and spink) |
| 12:38.27 | DaveyB | brahma`, how do I check? |
| 12:38.57 | Braindead | DaveyB: man bittorrent-downloader |
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| 12:39.33 | Braindead | and btw using default bittorrent ports isn't that smart,they're the first ports that get shaped by your ISP |
| 12:39.41 | tralala | DaveyB: I suspect that you don't need to have firewall on this computer so just stop it (iptables -F; iptables -t nat -F) and see if it works. |
| 12:39.42 | DaveyB | Braindead, my bittorrent is saying it can't recieve incomming packets |
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| 12:40.20 | manzneri | hello |
| 12:40.21 | DaveyB | Yey |
| 12:40.23 | DaveyB | Now it works |
| 12:40.25 | DaveyB | My HERO! |
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| 12:40.58 | Braindead | DaveyB: did you read the hints I gave ya? and btw don't mess with iptables if you don't know what you're doing. ah fine enjoy your bittorrent pr0n |
| 12:41.10 | DaveyB | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.31 | nefertum | mmm. i've installed m4 package to have automake macros, but compiling wormux i have some AM_* erros |
| 12:41.43 | manzneri | can someone tell me how to do this, i have internet -> debian -> switch -> other computers at my home |
| 12:42.00 | manzneri | debian has got two ethernet cards, eth0 and eth1 |
| 12:42.07 | Braindead | nefertum: why are you compiling it? aptitude install wormux |
| 12:42.17 | wols | manzneri: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 12:42.18 | zamuro | rofl |
| 12:42.23 | tralala | manzneri: find and read a network howto |
| 12:42.28 | manzneri | the internet connection comes to eth0 and should then be routed to eth1 |
| 12:42.37 | manzneri | ok |
| 12:42.51 | manzneri | i guess this is the most basic network type that i'm planning here? |
| 12:42.59 | wols | manzneri: no |
| 12:43.12 | manzneri | crap |
| 12:43.19 | wols | manzneri: it's a backwards one |
| 12:43.29 | wols | manzneri: do you have a hardware router? |
| 12:43.32 | manzneri | i'm quite a newbie at *nix world so |
| 12:43.50 | wols | it has nothing to do with *nix, only with networking |
| 12:43.57 | Braindead | dpkg: tell manzneri about nat |
| 12:44.06 | wols | manzneri: your "internet" consists of what? |
| 12:44.13 | manzneri | adsl connection |
| 12:44.18 | wols | Braindead: won't help him to set up the network correctly |
| 12:44.22 | tralala | wols: what's backwards here? |
| 12:44.27 | wols | manzneri: where is the modem? is there a router? |
| 12:44.37 | wols | tralala: the switch for starters |
| 12:44.52 | wols | ouch. I msread, sorry |
| 12:45.00 | manzneri | it is a zyxel prestige 600 series adsl modem/router |
| 12:45.03 | wols | manzneri: yes you can do it like that, use iopmasq and dnsmasq |
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| 12:45.15 | chell | hi |
| 12:45.16 | wols | *ipmasq, dnsmasq |
| 12:45.30 | tralala | manzneri: yes, what you want is the most simple setup. |
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| 12:46.01 | manzneri | wols apt-get install ipmasq? |
| 12:46.08 | chell | I've downloaded Adobe's flashplayer for linux and tried to install it. However, it says that there is some directory in my home folder missing and that I should run Firefox, Mozilal or Opera at least once. I use Konqueror as my browser. |
| 12:46.10 | wols | and dnsmasq, yes |
| 12:46.13 | manzneri | ok |
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| 12:46.25 | tralala | wols: hmm, I've never used ipmasq. Is it easy and good? |
| 12:46.30 | wols | manzneri: if you want dhcp you need to config dnsmasq a little bit. apart from that it's automatic |
| 12:46.31 | Braindead | chell: just install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 12:46.42 | wols | tralala: very easy, and yes it's good too (imho) |
| 12:46.57 | tralala | wols: I'll put it on my wishlist |
| 12:46.58 | dalik | I installed openLDAP and I was able to authenticate fine, but I found that I wasn't able to sudo anymore. So trying to run "sudo gedit" then type in my password as normal failed and didnt launch the application. I am using ubuntu btw so keep that in mind. |
| 12:47.02 | wols | it does what it does. it's no firewall but neither is almost anything else and it shouldn't really be needed either |
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| 12:47.38 | manzneri | wols what should i put into the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 12:47.42 | wols | dalik: ubuntu |
| 12:47.42 | chell | Braindead: thanks, will try |
| 12:47.50 | tralala | wols: isn't it simply adding iptables rules? |
| 12:47.55 | azeem | dalik: please ask in #ubuntu |
| 12:48.03 | wols | manzneri: depends on your setup. your internal NIC should have a static address like 192.168.1.1 |
| 12:48.06 | chell | It can't find the package |
| 12:48.07 | wols | tralala: it is |
| 12:48.17 | dalik | azeem, I have |
| 12:48.28 | manzneri | what does the letters nic stand for? |
| 12:48.30 | tralala | wols: so what do you mean it's no firewall? |
| 12:48.36 | wols | manzneri: if you use pppoe, the external one doesn't need any config |
| 12:48.45 | azeem | dalik: Ubuntu handles sudo differently to Debian, we can't help you here |
| 12:48.49 | tralala | manzneri: network interface card |
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| 12:48.51 | wols | tralala: a firewall is a concept not just a piece of software |
| 12:48.52 | manzneri | aah :D |
| 12:48.56 | chell | I'm using debian testing |
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| 12:49.20 | manzneri | crap i gotta go..thanks..but i think i'll be back later asking :D -> |
| 12:49.20 | wols | chell: it's probably in non-free |
| 12:49.24 | tralala | wols: oh, stop confusing me %P |
| 12:49.29 | chell | so I have to enable that repo? |
| 12:49.39 | wols | chell: yes |
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| 12:50.27 | wols | tralala: I like how easy ipmasq, hassle free. And if I open a port on my box I want it to be open (you can add your own rules closing and opening stuff too if you want |
| 12:50.59 | wols | so I don't need iptables to do the work of mine configuring the open ports |
| 12:51.10 | chell | still no luck. This is the line from my sources.list: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free |
| 12:51.15 | wols | zamuro: please don't do that here |
| 12:51.23 | tralala | wols: nice, I'll try it one of these days |
| 12:51.24 | zamuro | wols: I know... |
| 12:51.44 | tralala | chell: did you update/? |
| 12:51.51 | chell | yup |
| 12:51.53 | wols | chell: apt-cache search flash|grep plugin |
| 12:52.31 | chell | wols: it's not in the output of grep |
| 12:52.52 | chell | I'm 100% sure I saved the sources.list. I also ran apt-get update as root |
| 12:52.58 | wols | !why is flashplugin-nonfree not in etch |
| 12:52.58 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, wols |
| 12:53.12 | wols | !why is flashplugin-nonfree not in testing |
| 12:53.13 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=flashplugin-nonfree |
| 12:53.28 | chell | so how do I get flash installed? |
| 12:53.33 | wols | chell: it is in testing |
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| 12:53.55 | tralala | wols: dpkg seems to disagree |
| 12:54.24 | Bhavesh | clear |
| 12:54.25 | chell | I did add non-free to my sources.list and it does appear in my apt-get update output. So the way it looks, it is not in testing |
| 12:54.28 | Bhavesh | sorry |
| 12:54.28 | tralala | chell: ideally you don't |
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| 12:54.29 | wols | chell: unfree |
| 12:54.39 | chell | I need it ;-) |
| 12:54.40 | wols | oops. contrib |
| 12:54.44 | wols | chell: it's in contrib |
| 12:54.49 | wols | http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 12:54.57 | chell | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib will do? |
| 12:55.13 | wols | tralala: dpkg doesn't actually check with that factoid. it only assembles a URL. and it is in contrib testing |
| 12:55.23 | wols | chell: yes it should |
| 12:55.41 | chell | one more question: Are there also non-free and contrib in security.debian.org ? |
| 12:55.59 | wols | chell: you run etch, so why do you ask? |
| 12:56.05 | tralala | wols: hmm, you've put it to weird use... |
| 12:56.08 | chell | wols: ?? |
| 12:56.20 | wols | testing has no security updates |
| 12:56.26 | tralala | it does |
| 12:56.43 | Braindead | there are repositories. they're empty |
| 12:56.44 | wols | tralala: theoretically. just check when the last packages were checked in there |
| 12:56.48 | wols | it's >12 months now |
| 12:56.57 | tralala | oh... |
| 12:57.02 | chell | yay |
| 12:57.03 | chell | it works |
| 12:57.04 | wols | basically 5 packages max after announcement, none afterwards |
| 12:57.06 | chell | thanks so muh guys |
| 12:57.10 | chell | *much |
| 12:57.12 | tralala | well, I'm glad I use sarge |
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| 12:57.35 | tralala | !win me |
| 12:57.36 | dpkg | Congratulations, tralala! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 12:57.36 | chell | there is one more thing however |
| 12:57.46 | syntaxx | how will you know what resolution does your xfree86 use? |
| 12:57.57 | tralala | syntaxx: man xrandr |
| 12:58.02 | syntaxx | ty |
| 12:58.03 | chell | In konqueror how can I enable that google serch input field (like in firefox) |
| 12:58.30 | tralala | chell: you type in the address bar gg:keywords |
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| 12:58.59 | tralala | chell: also #konqueror |
| 12:59.16 | tralala | in the address bar that is |
| 12:59.20 | chell | bar gg:keywords doesn't work I'll ask in #konqueror |
| 12:59.51 | chell | There is no-one in there |
| 12:59.53 | chell | :-( |
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| 13:00.00 | faber3 | hi everybody |
| 13:00.12 | tralala | chell: I didn't mean a channel. Type this in konqueror |
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| 13:00.25 | faber3 | how good is a maschine with 2 cpu opteron 264 for debian/linux ? |
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| 13:00.48 | chell | I did type: bar gg:keywords in the address bar (where I also type www.debian.org etc.) |
| 13:00.53 | tralala | faber3: fine for me :) |
| 13:00.57 | chell | It told me it was not a valid address |
| 13:00.58 | azeem | faber3: that depends on what you'll be doing with tit |
| 13:01.06 | azeem | s/tit/it/ |
| 13:01.09 | Braindead | tits! |
| 13:01.15 | azeem | Braindead: you lost |
| 13:02.25 | chell | g |
| 13:02.26 | tralala | chell: play with the settings - somewhere in there you'll find a list of search engines and how to use them. I'm pretty sure it was gg: for google but I haven't used konqueror for quite a while |
| 13:02.36 | chell | that's not what I mean |
| 13:02.38 | chell | In Firefox |
| 13:02.47 | chell | you have a seperate bar for search engines |
| 13:02.55 | chell | I also saw this in Kubuntu (a friend of mine uses it) |
| 13:03.05 | chell | I'd like to enable that in my debian etch konqueror |
| 13:03.05 | tralala | chell: konqueror is better |
| 13:03.11 | chell | I know |
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| 13:03.23 | faber3 | azeem: well its an offer from an isp. i have one offer with 2x opteron 264 and another with 2x amd x2 dual core |
| 13:03.25 | eddyt | anyone can help me about Segmentation fault problems? i get them when trying to run : ps , cat , dd , uname |
| 13:03.25 | tralala | and it handles the search engines better |
| 13:03.35 | chell | I'd just like to enable that special bar |
| 13:03.49 | tralala | chell: I don't know if/how you can do it |
| 13:03.53 | chell | okay |
| 13:04.03 | chell | then I'll use gg:akeyword |
| 13:04.23 | tralala | chell: eh? you said it didn't work? |
| 13:04.43 | chell | no |
| 13:04.47 | chell | I just misunderstood you |
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| 13:04.50 | chell | you said bar ... |
| 13:05.02 | chell | I thought I had to enter bar as well |
| 13:05.05 | wols | edytt: any others? |
| 13:05.06 | chell | which I didn't ;-) |
| 13:05.30 | chell | btw: flashplayer for linux is quite...outdated. flashplugin-nonfree installed flashplayer 7 |
| 13:05.37 | enouf | chell ; Settings | Configure Toolbars |
| 13:05.43 | wols | chell: there is no flash8 |
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| 13:05.53 | pipeline | chell: That's the only flash available, bud. |
| 13:05.53 | wols | !blame macromedia |
| 13:06.02 | pipeline | chell: Not to mention, it's *incredibly slow* |
| 13:06.26 | pipeline | chell: Flash applets that work fine on a Pentium II under windows will chug on a top-of-the-line processor under Linux or Solaris. (Or OSX, for that matter.0 |
| 13:06.30 | wols | edytt: did you do anything special that ps cat etc now crashes? |
| 13:06.55 | chell | not debian/linux's fault however |
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| 13:06.59 | chell | I think adobe is to blame for that |
| 13:07.24 | tralala | I'd blame Microsoft and Bill Gates |
| 13:07.33 | Braindead | I blame Canadfa |
| 13:07.40 | Braindead | ahem Canada |
| 13:07.42 | chell | Braindead: ;-) |
| 13:08.22 | tralala | And Slobodan Milosevich |
| 13:08.41 | tralala | oh, and Bush and Blair, of course |
| 13:08.46 | chell | you mean Bliar |
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| 13:09.40 | chell | oh one more question: How do I get mp3 support in amaroK (libxine-extracodecs doesn't exist)? |
| 13:09.52 | tralala | and... well it seems that I'm pretty much the only innocent one |
| 13:10.08 | eml | chell, I had mp3-support after install afaik |
| 13:10.27 | chell | okaya |
| 13:10.32 | chell | I'll try to play an mp3 file |
| 13:10.52 | rgsteele | Hey guys. I have a directory under which I'd like all files that are created to have perms 770. Any way to force that? |
| 13:10.52 | tralala | be aware of RIAA |
| 13:10.56 | rgsteele | The files are going to be created by www-data |
| 13:11.07 | rgsteele | (not sure if that's relevant or not) |
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| 13:12.21 | MatBoy | !beer cydork |
| 13:12.21 | stew | rgsteele: letting your webserver create files that are executable sounds dangerous |
| 13:12.21 | chell | hal isn't installed (damn) |
| 13:12.21 | MatBoy | cydork, for your weekend ;) |
| 13:12.21 | tralala | rgsteele: only if you mount it as a separate filesystem with the appropriate umask |
| 13:12.21 | chell | will install it now |
| 13:12.21 | stew | rgsteele: did you really mean 770 and not 660? |
| 13:12.22 | chell | gotta go cya |
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| 13:12.27 | MatBoy | rgsteele, like stew said.. 660 |
| 13:12.30 | rgsteele | No. I meant 660. When I said 770 I lied :) |
| 13:13.07 | stew | rgsteele: /msg dpkg permissions ; read one of the urls in there about umask, you'll want to set the umask for the apache process to 007 |
| 13:13.17 | rgsteele | Gotcha. Thanks for the tip. |
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| 13:13.24 | Neeesat25 | Hello to all |
| 13:13.48 | edytt | anyone can help me about Segmentation fault problems? i get them when trying to run : ps , cat , dd , uname |
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| 13:14.13 | NekoEmo | miau |
| 13:14.35 | cydork | MatBoy: thanks mate ! :) |
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| 13:14.43 | MatBoy | cydork, your always welcome ! |
| 13:14.45 | Neeesat25 | I have a working debian with all the needed packages installed on a flash media 1GB. Is there a way to make an iso of all the operating system and if needed to install it as it is my current one on onother flash? |
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| 13:14.50 | MatBoy | cydork, alredy packing stuff ? |
| 13:14.51 | NekoEmo | anyone here got any experience with nano on a serial console? Every time I start it it resets to 80x25 and it's infuriating |
| 13:14.54 | MatBoy | already |
| 13:15.04 | cydork | MatBoy: not yet. |
| 13:15.25 | MatBoy | cydork, don't forget you laptop :) |
| 13:15.28 | MatBoy | your |
| 13:15.41 | MatBoy | !fix Matboy and give him new hands |
| 13:15.43 | cydork | MatBoy: of cource not! :) |
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| 13:16.03 | MatBoy | cydork, are you staying a a hotel ? |
| 13:16.06 | MatBoy | at |
| 13:16.16 | cydork | MatBoy: yep |
| 13:16.55 | cydork | Neeesat25: you can use dpkg-getselections and install the same packages on another box. |
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| 13:17.41 | MatBoy | cydork, wow, great man ! |
| 13:18.08 | Neeesat25 | cydork: Is it possible to create an iso from it to have it safe? |
| 13:18.10 | tralala | it's --get-selections |
| 13:18.13 | tralala | afaik |
| 13:18.21 | cydork | tralala: yep :P |
| 13:18.27 | tralala | and it didn't do very well for me |
| 13:18.47 | cydork | Neeesat25: i dont think so. |
| 13:18.53 | cydork | tralala: why not? |
| 13:20.02 | Neeesat25 | or at least back it up to a disk? |
| 13:20.05 | tralala | cydork: some packages that I've had were not restored. On the other hand I did --get-selections of an old etch and --set-selections to sarge so... could be pebkac |
| 13:20.35 | tralala | Neeesat25: you can create a big tarball and save it whereever you like |
| 13:20.40 | cydork | tralala: possible :) |
| 13:21.27 | MatBoy | guys, please leave cydork alone.. he tries to get out of here, but he can't :P hehe... or ask him as much as you can :) |
| 13:21.51 | Neeesat25 | tralala: you mean a big file all my working debian with packages installed? |
| 13:22.08 | tralala | Neeesat25: yep, man tar |
| 13:22.22 | Neeesat25 | how? |
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| 13:23.23 | nightfly | hi all |
| 13:23.24 | tralala | Neeesat25: pretty much 'tar cC / . > path/to/backup/device/archivename.tar' |
| 13:23.40 | nightfly | i've installed kernel 2.6 |
| 13:23.41 | tralala | !greet nightfly |
| 13:23.42 | dpkg | Gr33tz, nightfly |
| 13:23.48 | nightfly | but startx dont' works |
| 13:23.57 | nightfly | for mouse configuration |
| 13:24.14 | cydork | !drxx nightfly |
| 13:24.14 | dpkg | nightfly: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:24.14 | tralala | nightfly: modprobe mousedev; modprobe psaux |
| 13:24.14 | nightfly | /dev/psaux don't works |
| 13:24.34 | Neeesat25 | Thanks tralala |
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| 13:24.40 | cydork | nightfly: cat /dev/input/mice |
| 13:24.40 | tralala | Neeesat25: you're welcome |
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| 13:24.58 | cydork | nightfly: and move mouse. |
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| 13:26.14 | Bhavesh | good morning abrotman |
| 13:26.20 | abrotman | hi |
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| 13:26.48 | Bhavesh | abrotman: are you addicted to helping people? |
| 13:27.01 | abrotman | Bhavesh: why? |
| 13:27.01 | marsje | Question: can I use m-a to build a module that is not a official debian source package but just some source directly from svn? |
| 13:27.14 | tralala | marsje: no |
| 13:27.32 | tralala | unless it happens to have a debian dir in this svn source |
| 13:27.45 | Bhavesh | abrotman: just curious..i see you here every day helping everyone :) |
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| 13:27.54 | abrotman | Bhavesh: is that a bad thing ? |
| 13:27.56 | marsje | tralala: thanks |
| 13:28.05 | tralala | marsje: you're welcome |
| 13:28.23 | tralala | Bhavesh: we're addicted in wasting our time and our employers money on the irc... |
| 13:29.17 | tralala | or rather "to" |
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| 13:32.19 | kapowaz | I'm just setting up a new Debian box with an AMD64 processor - which is 'preferred' 32bit or 64bit? |
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| 13:32.30 | rgsteele | So, after reading the umask stuff, I'm thinking what I want to do isn't possible, e.g. umask a specific directory. |
| 13:32.37 | kakarot | kapowaz 64 bits, of course |
| 13:32.41 | pumpkin0 | kapowaz: how much RAM do you have and what kind of prog do you run ? |
| 13:32.47 | tralala | kapowaz: for me 64bit is prefferd, your millage may vary |
| 13:33.16 | kapowaz | it'll be a Valve Source dedicated server box |
| 13:33.21 | kapowaz | 1GB RAM |
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| 13:33.56 | tralala | valve source? |
| 13:34.12 | kapowaz | Valve (the software company) Source Dedicated Server (the product) |
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| 13:34.21 | kapowaz | i.e. Day of Defeat Source, Counter-Strike Source etc. |
| 13:34.21 | pumpkin0 | kapowaz: 64bit is faster if your programms use more then 4 GB RAM. I don´t thing you get much speedup with these servers .. |
| 13:34.25 | kakarot | kapowaz if your choice is 32 bits, why did you buy an AMD64? |
| 13:34.48 | tralala | pumpkin0: false |
| 13:35.17 | pumpkin0 | tralala: can you get me a benchmark proving that, please ? |
| 13:35.17 | kakarot | pumpkin0 what are you tolking about 4 gb ram? |
| 13:35.18 | kapowaz | it's a dedicated server offered by a hosting company. all their boxes have AMD64 CPUs. I didn't make any active decision to 'buy' AMD64 |
| 13:35.22 | tralala | kapowaz: I don't know what this servers do but if the process big volumes of data go for 64bit |
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| 13:36.06 | kapowaz | okay |
| 13:36.15 | tralala | they |
| 13:36.35 | pumpkin0 | kakarot: 32 Bitter only have 4 GB native adress space. 64 Bitter have 2^64 bytes native space (limited to something like 2^48 with current CPUs) |
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| 13:37.00 | wols | tralala: big in this case is 4GB process or more. which is not possible with only 1GB RAM |
| 13:37.00 | kakarot | kapowaz the applicatios will be the same, only that amd64 is optimized for that microprocessor |
| 13:37.23 | wols | kakarot: that's nonsensical |
| 13:37.27 | kapowaz | aye, I was just wondering if there are likely to be availability issues, but then it'll be a highly specialised server only running a few processes |
| 13:37.45 | infernixx | !freeze |
| 13:37.45 | dpkg | hmm... freeze is when we put the unstable version of debian into 'freeze' for a few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - i.e. we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release), when it comes out of freeze that version is considered 'stable' |
| 13:37.57 | wols | kakarot: I doubt valve has 64bit versions and I additionally doubt it gives you a speedup |
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| 13:38.14 | kapowaz | if you only get benefits from having an AMD64 processor running in 64-bit when you have >4GB of RAM, why would MS release a 64-bit version of Windows XP? |
| 13:38.15 | pumpkin0 | kakarot: if the software is only available as 32 Bit ... go for a all-32-bit system |
| 13:38.25 | kapowaz | surely most end users will have a lot less than 4GB |
| 13:38.44 | pumpkin0 | kapowaz: Because there are systems with >> 4GB RAM running windows XP. |
| 13:38.47 | kapowaz | wols: there is a 64-bit version of Source DS, I know this. |
| 13:38.56 | wols | kakarot: cause new games WILL use 4GB or more if possibly. Crysis, etc |
| 13:39.00 | infernixx | 64bit pacman. |
| 13:39.07 | wols | UT2k7 or so |
| 13:39.08 | tralala | pumpkin0: time mencoder -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=divx:mbd=2:add_more_heavy_processing_options -o video.avi bigvideofile.mpeg |
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| 13:39.44 | wols | kakarot: and MS needs to be project the appearance of competency |
| 13:39.50 | pumpkin0 | lunitik: never wonder about stuff in here, that is just normal background noise. |
| 13:39.51 | wols | -be |
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| 13:40.10 | pumpkin0 | tralala: OK, now get me a AMD64 box i can test that on. |
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| 13:40.18 | nightfly | ok |
| 13:40.20 | kakarot | wols, i've tried both i386 and amd64 debian in my amd64 box, and the perfomance is better in amd64 distribution |
| 13:40.27 | abrotman | kapowaz: you can address more than 4GB with a 32bit OS .. see PAE |
| 13:40.30 | nightfly | now x is running |
| 13:40.38 | tralala | pumpkin0: just put the bigvideo.mpeg somewhere and I'll test it for you |
| 13:40.39 | kapowaz | abrotman: that's nice |
| 13:40.41 | craigevil | i just finished install xp in vmplayer pos took 45 minutes :( |
| 13:40.44 | kill4killin | ok, for those here last night, around 1 i just bombed my math exam |
| 13:40.51 | lunitik | !tell nightfly about enter |
| 13:40.54 | kapowaz | anyway I think I've enough info to make a decision |
| 13:41.00 | pumpkin0 | kakarot: try i686. i386 is always slow because it lacks stuff like MMX and SSE |
| 13:41.03 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 13:41.03 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 13:41.04 | wols | abrotman: you can address more than 1MB with a 8088 too. doesn't mean you'd want to |
| 13:41.18 | abrotman | wols: it wasn't a question of whether you'd want to .. but if you could |
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| 13:42.33 | kakarot | pumpkipumpkin0 dont't exits de i686 debian distribution |
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| 13:42.38 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: PAE in 32Bit software on AMD64 is slower then 64Bit software on AMD64 (if you have > 4GB real RAM). |
| 13:42.46 | jelly | wols: what, like 1MB + 63KB? |
| 13:42.57 | nightfly | sorry, so i've installed kernel image 2.6 and x is now running... how i can install zd1211 modules? |
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| 13:43.27 | wols | jelly:not on a 8088. That CPU has no A20 gate. only from 286 onward. LIM EMS can do it however. and more than 63k |
| 13:44.01 | abrotman | pumpkin0: amd64 doesn't use PAE |
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| 13:44.04 | tralala | 64bit is not only about the amount of RAM you can use. It's also about the amount of data that the cpu can process per cycle! |
| 13:44.20 | kakarot | tralala you're right |
| 13:44.29 | abrotman | pumpkin0: but yes .. there's always a performance hit for PAE |
| 13:44.47 | wols | tralala: yes it is, but software is rarely needing or using it right now |
| 13:44.47 | tralala | this is why it's significantly faster for intensive data processing |
| 13:44.48 | pumpkin0 | tralala: the AMD64 splits it´s 64Bit pipeline into 2 32Bit pipeline as needed. |
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| 13:46.02 | tralala | wols: any image,video,music,database processing software already does |
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| 13:47.26 | pumpkin0 | tralala: so ? mplayer does not exisit in stock debian too ... ? |
| 13:47.27 | tralala | pumpkin0: the point being? |
| 13:48.10 | tralala | pumpkin0: gimp,mysql,postgres and many others do |
| 13:48.12 | pumpkin0 | tralala: did you use i386 or i686 + SSE-something to test agains AMD64 bins ? The AMD64 to use all SSE-style things... |
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| 13:48.38 | tralala | pumpkin0: of course, when you don't have a 64bit processor I can understand why you're not excited about 64bit computing... |
| 13:48.45 | pumpkin0 | tralala: mysql and postgres get faster if you use more then 4GB ... |
| 13:49.09 | tralala | pumpkin0: of course I did, did you? |
| 13:49.16 | pumpkin0 | tralala: i have one, but i will not reinstall a cooperate server just to test if the AMD64 is fast ... |
| 13:50.04 | tralala | pumpkin0: I'm not asking you to |
| 13:50.30 | nightfly | how i can compile zd1211-source? |
| 13:50.38 | tralala | nightfly: /msg dpkg m-a |
| 13:50.52 | pumpkin0 | nightfly: do you have the kernel-header for your kernel ? |
| 13:50.58 | nightfly | yes |
| 13:51.06 | nightfly | i've got header and sources |
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| 13:52.25 | teco | heyho |
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| 13:52.37 | teco | can anyone help me with a ipw2200 prob.? |
| 13:52.39 | teco | plz.. |
| 13:52.40 | teco | :) |
| 13:52.47 | abrotman | !ask |
| 13:52.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:54.28 | pumpkin0 | teco: i have a ipw2200 working nicely here. That´s the problem ? |
| 13:54.53 | teco | ok.. i'm using kernel 2.6.18 and installed the kernel driver for ipw2200 |
| 13:55.11 | teco | so.. then i was wondering why it will not work.. |
| 13:55.17 | teco | so the problem was the firmware.. |
| 13:55.33 | teco | now i placed the firmware to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ |
| 13:55.38 | teco | and its still the same problem.. |
| 13:55.58 | teco | driver version is.. 1.1.2kdm |
| 13:56.13 | pumpkin0 | teco: and you have the firmware-module loaded ? And hotplug installed ? |
| 13:56.15 | teco | can i paste 7 lines out of my dmesg |
| 14:04.12 | kakarot | i'm tryng to install kde task, but i get a dependence trouble. apt-get says that i need libpth2 but libth |
| 14:04.12 | pumpkin0 | teco: no. |
| 14:04.12 | kakarot | i'm tryng to install kde task, but i get a dependence trouble. apt-get says that i need libpth2 but libpth2 is now libpth20 |
| 14:04.12 | teco | firmware module? |
| 14:04.12 | teco | i just copied the firmware files.. |
| 14:04.13 | teco | which one is the firmwaremodul? |
| 14:04.13 | pumpkin0 | teco: as root: "lsmod" |
| 14:04.13 | teco | its installed.. |
| 14:04.13 | teco | into the kernel.. |
| 14:04.13 | teco | not just as a module.. |
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| 14:04.14 | pumpkin0 | teco: what about the hotplug package ? |
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| 14:04.35 | kapowaz | okay, let's say I do a reinstall... what's the easiest way of preserving the user data etc? |
| 14:04.35 | stew | !status |
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| 14:05.10 | kapowaz | I know I can back up certain directories containing stuff I want to keep, but what if I want to preserve all the users? |
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| 14:05.20 | teco | isnt installed yet.. but i will do it now.. |
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| 14:05.28 | teco | and try.. |
| 14:05.31 | tam | how do i make windows the default boot partition in grub? |
| 14:05.34 | teco | but first.. thanks for helping me.. |
| 14:05.40 | pumpkin0 | !tekk teco about enter |
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| 14:06.07 | abrotman | kapowaz: preserve .. ownership ? |
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| 14:06.07 | abrotman | tam: the grub config file makes it fairly obvious |
| 14:06.07 | kapowaz | all this netsplit stuff is spamming me out |
| 14:06.07 | kapowaz | abrotman: I guess, but basically I want to make this as smooth a process as possible |
| 14:06.08 | abrotman | i believe tar has an option for that |
| 14:06.08 | kapowaz | abrotman: would simply backing up /home and /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow do ? |
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| 14:06.08 | kakarot | i'm tryng to install kde task, but i get a dependence trouble. apt-get says that i need libpth2 but libpth2 is now libpth20 |
| 14:06.08 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 14:06.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 14:06.09 | abdelmonem | my debian does not mount my usb stick (/dev/sdb1) automaticly, how can i let it do it ? |
| 14:06.09 | tralala | kapowaz: backup /etc and then restore whatever you will find missing |
| 14:06.09 | abrotman | abdelmonem: which WM/DE ? |
| 14:06.09 | abrotman | tralala: that may not work so well .. |
| 14:06.09 | abdelmonem | abrotman, what's WM/DE ? |
| 14:06.09 | abrotman | gnome? kde? blackbox? |
| 14:06.10 | abdelmonem | abrotman, GNOME |
| 14:06.10 | kapowaz | tralala: the whole of /etc ? and overwrite whatever defaults a new install gives? |
| 14:06.10 | abrotman | gnome should do it .. if you have the gnome-vfs stuff done .. and you need to be in .. some group |
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| 14:06.10 | abrotman | plugdev maybe ? |
| 14:06.10 | tralala | abrotman: some tweaking will be needed but generally it's fine. I've done it at least a couple of times |
| 14:06.10 | kill4killin | does anyone want to help me get xfce running? I installed x server and xfce but im getting a bunch of errors when i try to startx |
| 14:06.10 | stew | lunitik: please, don't. |
| 14:06.11 | lunitik | stew: meh... the meta-package... not KDE... I use KDE |
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| 14:06.11 | tralala | kapowaz: no, don't overwrite anything - just the configs that you will discover missing |
| 14:06.11 | lunitik | stew: only idiots install 'kde' |
| 14:06.11 | abrotman | lunitik: if you don't know any better .. nothing wrong with it :) |
| 14:06.11 | stew | lunitik: that's not true. please stop |
| 14:06.12 | lunitik | abrotman: I disagree |
| 14:06.12 | kapowaz | that sounds like a bit of an intensive process |
| 14:06.12 | abrotman | lunitik: good for you .. |
| 14:06.12 | lunitik | stew: have you ever looked at the deps? |
| 14:06.12 | petemc | .. |
| 14:06.13 | abrotman | shocker .. kde has a gazillion packages .. news at .. oh .. not news |
| 14:06.13 | petemc | lunitik is smarter than everyone who uses kde, its official |
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| 14:06.13 | MatBoy | lunitik, everyone has another idea about their GUI... so ? I don't sleep bad about it. |
| 14:06.13 | CRK-FOX | hi |
| 14:06.13 | CRK-FOX | someone can help with KSIRC? |
| 14:06.14 | lunitik | petemc: not by a long shot... find someone more intelligent that has ALL of KDE installed, and I'll bake you a cookie though |
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| 14:06.14 | CRK-FOX | when I join to #debian channel, I cant send any msg... |
| 14:06.16 | pipeline | lunitik: err, kdebase IS kde :P |
| 14:06.16 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 14:06.22 | abrotman | CRK-FOX: because you're joining as root |
| 14:06.27 | abrotman | --> CRK-FOX (n=root@mail.latinvalley.com) has joined #debian |
| 14:06.42 | d0uglas | to fire up a package from a different distro than what's in my sources list, it's -t, right? apt-get install -t experimental xlander, for example? |
| 14:06.43 | lunitik | pipeline: KDE is a collection of about 8 modules... of which kdebase is one.... |
| 14:06.59 | abrotman | d0uglas: if you don't know how to do it .. you shouldn't be using experimental |
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| 14:07.09 | lunitik | pipeline: kdeadmin, kdegames, kdepim, kdemultimedia etc... these are all part of kde |
| 14:07.11 | kakarot | abrotman eres gili, i've said that i need libpth2, but that library now is named libpth20, no how do i install kde |
| 14:07.17 | tralala | kapowaz: certain mistakes require a certain price to be paid |
| 14:07.22 | abrotman | kakarot: install kdebase |
| 14:07.23 | CRK-FOX | abrotman: :O how I can fix that |
| 14:07.29 | CRK-FOX | abrotman: change |
| 14:07.35 | CRK-FOX | abrotman: changing |
| 14:07.37 | abrotman | kdebase is also a metapackage |
| 14:07.38 | d0uglas | abrotman: i need some drivers that are only in experimental |
| 14:07.40 | abrotman | CRK-FOX: you already did |
| 14:07.48 | d0uglas | i'm not installing libc or something |
| 14:07.52 | CRK-FOX | abrotman: yeah because Im in another pc |
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| 14:08.01 | abrotman | CRK-FOX: then don't login to your linux box as root |
| 14:08.10 | tralala | kapowaz: should you try to just restore /etc, backup the new one beforehand and then deal with any possible breakages |
| 14:08.17 | kakarot | abrotman how do i use libpth20 as libpth2 is my question |
| 14:08.52 | kapowaz | this is sounding hellish |
| 14:09.06 | kapowaz | I would almost rather wait for the PHP5 module to be fixed (or apache2 or whatever) |
| 14:09.09 | abrotman | kakarot: you're running etch ? |
| 14:09.18 | kakarot | abrotman no, sid |
| 14:09.26 | abrotman | then you should have it .. run apt-get update |
| 14:09.29 | abrotman | or aptitude |
| 14:09.50 | abrotman | kakarot: paste the output of `apt-get install kde` |
| 14:09.53 | abrotman | !paster |
| 14:09.53 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 14:09.58 | cubiq | Is it possible to update the debian netinst cd with another driver for my network card? |
| 14:10.10 | kakarot | abrotman i have libpth20 but some kde packages need libpth2 |
| 14:10.19 | abrotman | !tell cubiq about custom netinst |
| 14:10.19 | tralala | kapowaz: running sid on a server is a high-risk game. Trust me, you don't want to play it. |
| 14:10.20 | lunitik | !custom kernel |
| 14:10.20 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 14:10.26 | abrotman | kakarot: then they're broken |
| 14:11.18 | cubiq | thx abrotman ! |
| 14:11.19 | kapowaz | tralala: aye, although until now I'd not had any problems :) |
| 14:11.37 | kakarot | abrotman yes, but it looks like only a name problem |
| 14:11.45 | abrotman | kakarot: it's a package problem |
| 14:11.59 | abrotman | kakarot: the packages need to be rebuilt to depend on libpth20 instead of libpth2 |
| 14:12.18 | tralala | kapowaz: you should be really gratefull and take it as a gift from heavens. Now switch to sarge. |
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| 14:13.12 | kakarot | abrotman i tought about doing a link to the new library with the old name |
| 14:13.20 | kakarot | is that possible ? |
| 14:13.59 | abrotman | dude .. the packages you're trying to install depend on a version of a package that doesn't exist in unstable anymore |
| 14:14.12 | abrotman | kakarot: show us the error |
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| 14:15.43 | keyhack | I have a stable source, and a testing source for apt, and I want it to fetch the package from the testing repo (because an older version exists in the stable), how can I do this? |
| 14:16.06 | kakarot | abrotman http://channels.debian.net/paste/3961 |
| 14:16.07 | abrotman | keyhack: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 14:16.19 | kill4killin | how do i edit my x setup? For some reason it cant load my mouse and crashes by saying unable to load core |
| 14:16.29 | abrotman | kakarot: yes .. the packages need to be rebuilt most likely |
| 14:16.39 | abrotman | though my spanish is a bit rusty :) |
| 14:16.44 | abrotman | !drxx kill4killin |
| 14:16.44 | dpkg | kill4killin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 14:16.50 | keyhack | abrotman: ok, that just lists packages |
| 14:16.58 | keyhack | abrotman: it shows the 0.5, but the testing has a 0.7 |
| 14:17.08 | kakarot | abrotman thank you, my english too |
| 14:17.12 | kakarot | :) |
| 14:17.15 | abrotman | keyhack: i wanted to know which version of libc6 you had |
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| 14:17.24 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=kdepim |
| 14:17.27 | abrotman | kakarot: ^^ |
| 14:17.28 | keyhack | 2.3.2.ds1-22sa |
| 14:17.31 | teco | pumpkin0: hm.. i have installed udev.. not hotplug.. so it should be work.. or im wrong? |
| 14:17.38 | CRK-FOX | abrotman: thank you for your help... |
| 14:17.41 | abrotman | kakarot: as i said .. the package it's looking for doesn't exist |
| 14:17.44 | abrotman | CRK-FOX: you're welcome |
| 14:17.45 | teco | did i have to use another location for the firmware? |
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| 14:17.54 | abrotman | keyhack: man apt-get .. look at -t |
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| 14:18.29 | CRK-FOX | abrotman: how you answer so fast... do you get the micro??? xD |
| 14:18.35 | kill4killin | what is a good mouse driver to load? Last time i loaded /mice but that didnt work |
| 14:18.35 | edytt | what the heck. using the same torrent, same torrent client, same version, 3 systems. 2 at home get "Could not parse bencoded data", third works. rotrrents help page claims that means the torrent file is invalid. yeah, which is why it's working on one of them? |
| 14:18.38 | edytt | any ideas? |
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| 14:19.02 | d0uglas | any way to get debian-installer to use wifi with wpa? or at all, for that matter? |
| 14:19.09 | pumpkin0 | teco: i don´t use udev, so i don´t know which rules you have to setup to get firmware loading under udev. |
| 14:19.32 | pumpkin0 | kill4killin: which mouse do you use ... ? |
| 14:19.39 | keyhack | abrotman: cool, thanks, didn't see the "-t" in --help |
| 14:19.45 | cubiq | Is it enough to download only the first debian iso cd to install the system? I don't want to download 16 CD just to install a base system.. |
| 14:20.08 | kill4killin | IOGEAR laser I600, but it goes through a KVM...would this cause problem? |
| 14:20.09 | pumpkin0 | cubiq: download the netinstall mini-CD. |
| 14:20.20 | d0uglas | cubiq: debian.org/devel/debian-installer businesscard cd |
| 14:20.25 | pumpkin0 | kill4killin: is that a USB or a PS/2 mouse ? |
| 14:20.29 | vin` | cubiq: yould even get the ~50MB bizcard. |
| 14:21.08 | kill4killin | USB, but i has a PS2 converter attached for the kv |
| 14:21.10 | kill4killin | kvm* |
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| 14:21.45 | cubiq | pumpkin0: My LAN drivers were not on the netinst cd and I need a linux system to compile them from source.. |
| 14:22.26 | wols | cubiq: what network card do you have? |
| 14:22.29 | pumpkin0 | cubiq: the first normal CD will not help you if they are not on the netinstall ... |
| 14:22.40 | abrotman | CRK-FOX: i'm a bot |
| 14:22.50 | edytt | strange; squid proxy was wrecking it. bypassed it and it works fine (while getting the torrent file |
| 14:22.50 | abrotman | kill4killin: modprobe mousedev .. try again |
| 14:23.07 | abrotman | !d-i cubiq |
| 14:23.08 | dpkg | cubiq, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:23.13 | vin` | cubiq: you'll need the kernel-headers, if that's on the first cd, you should be fine. |
| 14:23.14 | cubiq | wols: CHipset VIA VT6122 Gig ethernet |
| 14:23.46 | wols | cubiq: that' VIA Rhine, right? |
| 14:24.08 | cubiq | Nope, the rhine doesn't cut it i'm afraid |
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| 14:24.35 | wols | so which version of linux do you need for it? |
| 14:24.35 | abrotman | it is Rhine .. but too new i believe |
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| 14:24.50 | abrotman | cubiq: does it require firmware .. or just a newer kernel ? |
| 14:25.00 | cubiq | abrotman: 31r3 |
| 14:25.06 | edytt | any idea why squid did this? |
| 14:25.09 | pumpkin0 | cubiq: you did try the linux26-style options ? |
| 14:25.16 | wols | cubiq: that's debian version. linux version, kernel version. |
| 14:25.22 | cubiq | I got the source for the drivers for this chipset |
| 14:25.26 | abrotman | cubiq: eh .. no .. the NIC .. does it require firmware or a newer kernel ? |
| 14:26.10 | cubiq | abrotman: Nope it is said to work with both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels |
| 14:26.21 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 14:26.21 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 14:26.22 | wols | cubiq: forget the source you got from via |
| 14:26.49 | cubiq | wols why? :) |
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| 14:26.57 | cubiq | Is there any better out there :) |
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| 14:27.15 | wols | cubiq: first goal is to get a linux kernel which supports the chip out of the box |
| 14:27.22 | abrotman | lspci -n might be useful :) |
| 14:27.36 | abrotman | cubiq: are you in windows now ? |
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| 14:28.05 | cubiq | Nope unix and I don't have any linux boxes arounds right now... well one actually .. |
| 14:28.29 | abrotman | so the box in question has no OS currently? |
| 14:28.41 | cubiq | abrotman: nope |
| 14:29.02 | kill4killin | ok, well i got x to start...but i still have no mouse control |
| 14:29.04 | vin` | be more vague. |
| 14:29.04 | abrotman | it does have an OS ? |
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| 14:29.14 | vin` | !rube goldberg install |
| 14:29.15 | abrotman | kill4killin: /dev/input/mice .. modprobe mousedev |
| 14:29.15 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 14:29.16 | cubiq | abrotman: I have some win boxes also if i really need to :) |
| 14:29.45 | wols | cubiq: where you trying to install with "linux26" or simply by pressing "enter" at the bootprompt? |
| 14:29.56 | wols | cause debian 2.6.8 kernel has Via Veolcity support |
| 14:30.12 | cubiq | wols: Doh, I pushed enter :) |
| 14:30.25 | wols | cubiq: and you got a 2.4 kernel which why there was no support |
| 14:30.28 | cubiq | wols: really, hmm it is a velocity chip sooo |
| 14:30.59 | annoia | Is there any way to make an sftp server such that a user can only see a certain part of the machine, and not all of it? |
| 14:31.02 | abrotman | so .. type linux26 .. hit enter .. enjoy ? |
| 14:31.02 | cubiq | wols: OK so the debian-31r3 deson't use the 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:31.12 | abrotman | annoia: chroot/jail |
| 14:31.17 | wols | cubiq: it does. but you need to read the manual first |
| 14:31.20 | abrotman | cubiq: no .. it has one .. but it's nto the default |
| 14:31.20 | abrotman | !ig |
| 14:31.21 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 14:31.22 | wols | always a good idea |
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| 14:31.47 | cubiq | :) |
| 14:32.00 | wols | abrotman: linux has jail? |
| 14:32.03 | kill4killin | server failed to initiate core devices, what does that mean |
| 14:32.03 | cubiq | Thanks for the info! Testing now... |
| 14:32.31 | abrotman | wols: no .. but some people know it as that |
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| 14:32.44 | abrotman | kill4killin: run for cover!!!!!!!!! |
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| 14:32.50 | kill4killin | :P |
| 14:32.50 | pumpkin0 | kill4killin: upload the log and the config so people can maybe figure out what happend ... |
| 14:33.09 | kill4killin | i would...but its on another computer |
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| 14:33.40 | pumpkin0 | kill4killin: so ? copy it via network. |
| 14:33.42 | abrotman | kill4killin: you can't irc from that box ? |
| 14:34.07 | kill4killin | ill have to isntall a client but i might be able to |
| 14:34.14 | abrotman | irssi-text |
| 14:34.15 | kill4killin | or how would i copy VIA network |
| 14:34.40 | pumpkin0 | kill4killin: depends on your network. Do you have another linux box available ? |
| 14:34.50 | kill4killin | no |
| 14:35.01 | abrotman | irc from the box .. it'll be easier |
| 14:35.16 | kill4killin | working on it |
| 14:35.28 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: but how can he upload a log via irc ... #flood ? |
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| 14:35.48 | wols | pumpkin0: links, lynx, etc |
| 14:35.56 | vin` | pumpkin0: exec -o |
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| 14:36.36 | shay | pumpkin0, /exec -o <your command here> |
| 14:36.43 | bulio| | I would do apt-get install sendmail if I want to install sendmail? |
| 14:36.50 | bulio| | or do I apt-get install sendmail-bin? |
| 14:36.56 | abrotman | pumpkin0: that or /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
| 14:37.09 | abrotman | bulio|: reconsider .. sendmail is probably way more than you need |
| 14:37.15 | shay | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.30 | bulio| | abrotman: I need something that the PHP mail function can use to send mail |
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| 14:37.43 | abrotman | bulio|: postfix and exim will work just fine with PHP |
| 14:37.50 | abrotman | i use them all the time here |
| 14:38.05 | bulio| | http://207.134.3.91/coyote/index.php?option=com_contact&Itemid=3 |
| 14:38.10 | bulio| | so exim would work for that? |
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| 14:38.14 | bulio| | so PHP can send the mail |
| 14:38.34 | rgsteele | Hm... gotta question. Some user foo is the the group owner of the directory. Any way to tell Apache to sgid that directory? |
| 14:38.44 | rgsteele | s/user/group |
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| 14:39.10 | rgsteele | Apache's running as www-data...and it seems it silently fails to sgid the directory |
| 14:39.13 | abrotman | bulio|: yes .. exim should be fine |
| 14:39.23 | abrotman | k1ll4killin: can't irc as root in here .. login as a regular user |
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| 14:40.28 | bulio| | I would do apt-get install exim? |
| 14:40.33 | bulio| | or apt-get install exim4 |
| 14:40.39 | abrotman | exim4 most likely ... |
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| 14:40.44 | abrotman | it's probbly already installed though |
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| 14:41.08 | k1ll4killin | ok there, thats better |
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| 14:41.13 | k1ll4killin | :P |
| 14:41.17 | jenipapo | Hi all |
| 14:41.24 | tolecnal | kill4killin: good work son :) |
| 14:41.26 | bulio| | abrotman: and where wold it's path be? |
| 14:41.41 | abrotman | bulio|: it sohuld be all setup ... php should be able to find it |
| 14:41.50 | k1ll4killin | ok, so now that i am on irc on this box, what should i do to get you guys the log so i can get x running for once |
| 14:41.53 | jenipapo | I'm looking for a software to analyze or display a c program structure |
| 14:42.00 | abrotman | maybe ask ##c |
| 14:42.06 | jenipapo | I don'nt remember its name |
| 14:42.27 | jenipapo | it exists as a Debian packet |
| 14:42.49 | cydork | jenipapo: what do you by program structure? |
| 14:42.50 | abrotman | it does .. but i can't remember it either :) |
| 14:43.01 | cydork | jenipapo: are you looking for cflow? |
| 14:43.07 | k1ll4killin | is there something like wget but...the other way around? |
| 14:43.12 | abrotman | cydork: he wants a program to analyze his program .. and find places where he could make it better/faster |
| 14:43.18 | cydork | jenipapo: cscope |
| 14:43.20 | abrotman | k1ll4killin: netcat ? |
| 14:43.59 | pumpkin0 | you guys talked him into irc´ing form that PC, now help him ... |
| 14:44.07 | pumpkin0 | !tell k1ll4killin about pastewithoutx |
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| 14:44.16 | wols | abrotman: gprof or valgrind. both do that... |
| 14:44.31 | abrotman | wols: don't tell me .. tell jenipapo |
| 14:44.40 | abrotman | but valgrind was the one i was thinking of |
| 14:44.46 | abrotman | even though it doesn't run on pure64 last i knew |
| 14:44.58 | wols | abrotman: no. just being a smartass and pointing out how wrong your answer was :P |
| 14:45.09 | abrotman | wols: my answer wasn't wrong ? |
| 14:45.28 | wols | it was |
| 14:45.34 | abrotman | how was it wrong ? |
| 14:45.45 | abrotman | k1ll4killin: what are you trying to do ? |
| 14:45.48 | wols | it was a MS answer: factually right but useless :) |
| 14:45.57 | abrotman | wols: how was my answer wrong? it's a package |
| 14:45.58 | wols | kill4killin: don't use netcat |
| 14:46.20 | k1ll4killin | im trying to upload my xserver log so i can get one of you to maybe help me figure out what went wrong |
| 14:46.28 | wols | kill4killin: to paste the stuff for using a pastebin, use links or lynx |
| 14:46.32 | abrotman | k1ll4killin: /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
| 14:46.36 | wols | a console browsre |
| 14:46.39 | jenipapo | cydork: Its just print the program excluding all but functions calls |
| 14:46.43 | abrotman | oh .. english browser! |
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| 14:46.48 | abrotman | wols: how was my answer wrong ? |
| 14:47.09 | cydork | jenipapo: that's why i asked what do you want excactly.. :P |
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| 14:48.12 | sybec | Eh. Are apache2/libapache2-mod-php5 packages "broken" in -unstable? (i.e you can't have mod-php5 + apache2 on an up-to-date system) |
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| 14:48.22 | azeem | sybec: probably, yes |
| 14:48.23 | abrotman | !confuse wols |
| 14:48.23 | dpkg | Yes, where was my gerbil tomorrow, wols? trousers of the democracy of micronesia with extra cheese |
| 14:48.38 | azeem | sybec: unstable is transitioning to apache2.2 |
| 14:48.47 | abrotman | sybec: it's been that way a few days .. known issue |
| 14:48.49 | Bhavesh | that's confusing alright |
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| 14:49.05 | kill4killin | ok, so i cant do anything with my mouse right now |
| 14:49.13 | sybec | K |
| 14:49.14 | kill4killin | so gpm is out |
| 14:49.30 | sybec | And apache 1.3 + mod_php isn't really working either:-/ |
| 14:49.37 | abrotman | kill4killin: we know .. use links .. you can browse the web with it |
| 14:49.44 | wols | kill4killin: you can upload whole files |
| 14:49.50 | kill4killin | using lynx |
| 14:49.52 | wols | kill4killin: like your X log |
| 14:50.02 | abrotman | and X config! |
| 14:50.13 | kill4killin | ah! im confused |
| 14:51.00 | sybec | So.. why don't they like.. erh .. they == debian devs .. put the "apache2.2" packages when all apache2-dependant packages are ready for apache2.2 ? |
| 14:51.15 | jenipapo | Thanks all, its xwa cflow |
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| 14:51.30 | sybec | And nautilus is fscked too. nautilus-data has an update available but this would imply removing nautilus |
| 14:51.47 | abrotman | sybec: this is why sid/unstable is for experts :) |
| 14:51.48 | stew | !info apache2 |
| 14:51.50 | dpkg | apache2: (Next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 14:52.01 | stew | sybec: ^^ they did upload 2.2 |
| 14:52.12 | craigevil | yep and its broken |
| 14:52.26 | wols | stew: broken in lots of ways |
| 14:52.26 | kill4killin | o...i understand now... |
| 14:52.27 | sybec | stew: They uploaded apache2.2 but libapache2-mod-php needs apache2.0 |
| 14:52.38 | craigevil | stick to the apache version that is in Testing |
| 14:52.42 | sybec | (perhaps others too .. but this I know of) |
| 14:52.43 | stew | sybec: yes |
| 14:52.49 | pumpkin0 | sybec: now guess why it´s called unstable... |
| 14:53.04 | sybec | Well no.. I'm not complaining |
| 14:53.08 | sybec | I just don't really see the logic |
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| 14:53.15 | laurens | hi :-) |
| 14:53.36 | azeem | sybec: because it's easier to fix things as they break than to tell people to change stuff beforehand |
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| 14:53.38 | craigevil | the trick with unstable is too watch the mailing lists and use apt-listbugs |
| 14:53.43 | azeem | apache2.2 was in experimental for a while and nobody cared |
| 14:54.26 | sybec | azeem: hm.. fair enough |
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| 14:54.50 | sybec | well.. even so.. if you are careful enough .. you can use -unstable on a daily basis without much hassle (I do) |
| 14:55.25 | laurens | many people also choose to build apache manually for some strange reason |
| 14:55.26 | edytt | what commands else pico and nano to edit file? |
| 14:55.26 | laurens | edytt: vim and vi |
| 14:55.26 | laurens | edytt: but you probably want to run vitutor before you try either command |
| 14:55.30 | enouf | rgsteele: still around and having issues? |
| 14:55.32 | pumpkin0 | edytt: "vim" .. but read the manuel BEFORE launch it. |
| 14:55.35 | Eclipser | vimtutor.. |
| 14:55.46 | laurens | edytt: right, vimtutor |
| 14:55.56 | laurens | edytt: they're rather complicated editors but you'll learn to love them |
| 14:56.14 | sybec | I could just grab apache2.0 packages from the debian servers.. all in all .. this problem really .. isn't |
| 14:56.17 | wols | ...or you learn to hate them |
| 14:56.23 | wols | there is no middleground |
| 14:56.30 | weilawei | i love linux, but some days/nights it drives me crazy. i just spent the last 12 hours or so removing, reinstalling, recompiling, hacking away at, swearing, drinking coffee, going blurry-eyed getting this silly system up to date. granted, usb wireless was 90% of the problem, necessitating several kernel rebuilds >_< |
| 14:56.35 | kill4killin | ok well i think i uploaded something, but how do i find out where it is |
| 14:56.37 | laurens | edytt: note that editors are some of the most delicate points for some people... editor flame wars, started by and participated in by ediots (pun indtended) is something you want to stay out of |
| 14:56.46 | rgsteele | enouf: A little bit. I think I'm on my way to a workaround though. I used PHP's mkdir with perms 02777... and it's closer now. Directory is g+s, but missing read and write :) But, it's more of a PHP issue so I don't want to pollute this channel with it :) |
| 14:56.54 | abrotman | kill4killin: it should have told you the URL |
| 14:56.59 | laurens | wols: i like vim and i like emacs, i just like vim more ^^ |
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| 14:57.09 | kill4killin | nope |
| 14:57.10 | enouf | rgsteele: www-data is the group name and owner name of the index.html file in /var/www .. do this ' stat /var/www/index.html ' for an idea |
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| 14:57.23 | wols | laurens: I'm firmly in the vi camp. but I only hate nano/pico :) |
| 14:57.33 | pumpkin0 | kill4killin: which URL did you visit in the first place ? |
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| 14:57.43 | kill4killin | pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 14:58.14 | laurens | wols: my non-hating of emacs is probably due to a lack of experience :-P |
| 14:58.19 | laurens | wols: agree on nano/pico right |
| 14:59.14 | rgsteele | Right, I understand that. The deal is basically I need to have either www-data or PHP create a directory that is sgid to another group (say, group "foo") |
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| 14:59.38 | pumpkin0 | kill4killin: nobody pasted a X-realted thing in the last 8 mins. Try again. |
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| 15:00.12 | kill4killin | i forgot to submit after i uploaded it...didnt know about that |
| 15:00.16 | abrotman | doh! |
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| 15:00.31 | enouf | rgsteele: that's beyond my scope .. I'm just starting to learn about all these diff permissions and such |
| 15:00.41 | rgsteele | Heh. No worries :) |
| 15:00.49 | k1ll4killin | pastebin.ca/193057 |
| 15:00.58 | pumpkin0 | kill4killin: and now the config ... ? |
| 15:01.12 | k1ll4killin | bleh... |
| 15:01.21 | abrotman | is the mousedev module loaded ? |
| 15:01.26 | abrotman | lsmod to find out |
| 15:01.36 | enouf | rgsteele: in the other channel I posted a wuick link reference -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Permissions -- that and the man chmod and chown pages can help sort it out .. PHP, I have no clue |
| 15:01.45 | enouf | s/wuick/quick |
| 15:01.52 | k1ll4killin | hey, thanks for the help guys, i have to get to work, ill try to SSH to my box from there if i can then ill just get back on either way |
| 15:02.30 | CRK-FOX | how can I change the icon of a linked app in the KDE desktop??? |
| 15:03.12 | enouf | CRK-FOX: likely within the abyss called k control center |
| 15:03.30 | rgsteele | Gotcha, thanks enouf |
| 15:04.14 | enouf | rgsteele: no prob :-) .. these others here know much more about this stuff though .. |
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| 15:07.00 | CRK-FOX | enouf: yeah, but if I can change the icon only for the mozzilla-firefox app???? |
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| 15:07.20 | Bhavesh | when you guys run sid, what type of software do you run that makes it so unstable? or everything in sid is unstable? |
| 15:07.45 | abrotman | sid is by definition .. unstable |
| 15:07.54 | abrotman | !sid |
| 15:07.54 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 15:08.14 | stew | Bhavesh: in debian, unstable doesn't necessarily mean "crashy" but means, "constantly changing". the crashy part is a by product of it changing daily |
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| 15:09.18 | loumz | CRK-FOX: rightclick the firefox icon and choose properties? |
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| 15:10.33 | Bhavesh | stew: thank you for explanation so if i have sid and things are running ok, i should not poke around upgrading it all the time :) |
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| 15:13.28 | enouf | CRK-FOX: loumz : right .. right click the Icon and select Configure Mozilla web browser button (or similar) .. then click on the Big Icon in the general tab |
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| 15:15.06 | loumz | enouf: yeah, I was suggesting it to him... |
| 15:15.29 | abrotman | Bhavesh: well .. you're part of the "front line" of debian users .. you probably should upgrade from time to time and report bugs if you find them |
| 15:15.41 | abrotman | Bhavesh: reporting those bugs helps the QA process |
| 15:16.20 | stew | Bhavesh: i can't afford to have my main machine not working during the work week, so I only upgrade my work machine on friday or saturday, so that i have until monday to get the machine productive again. I use chroots for working on bugs where i don't care if I break the chroot |
| 15:16.39 | stew | and schroot rulez :) |
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| 15:17.09 | abrotman | Bhavesh: or like me .. i don't mind things breaking .. but i chose debian because it works well .. i run testing on my main machine at home |
| 15:17.20 | abrotman | i let the front line weed them out .. i'm a wussy |
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| 15:17.58 | stew | i help the front like weed them out, so i know exactly how to deal with the broken pakcages once its my turn to upgrade :) |
| 15:18.07 | loumz | as a stable user probably I should thank all of you brave testers :) |
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| 15:18.36 | abrotman | stew: if i were less lazy .. i'd run sid in a chroot or qemu i guess |
| 15:18.51 | abrotman | or get another box to screw up constantly :) |
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| 15:18.59 | enouf | loumz: I was poking around k control center and from there I was able to change the K-Menu Icon (with great consternation) .. so I went straight to the Icon instead (wherever it may be) and go into the context menu that way -- but maybe CRK-FOX is using an older version of kde .. In which case .. maybe sol |
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| 15:20.03 | enouf | loumz: since you're on Stable .. tell me if you are able to alter the Icons my way .. I have kde 3.5.3 here on sid |
| 15:20.15 | abrotman | he could ask #debian-kde also |
| 15:21.28 | loumz | enouf: shortcuts where? on the kicker I can rightclick, choose properties and change the icon |
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| 15:21.50 | CRK-FOX | haha |
| 15:21.56 | loumz | enouf: in general, I think if it's a "shortcut" (Desktop Config File) you can change it that way |
| 15:21.57 | enouf | loumz: right .. yes exactly |
| 15:22.12 | enouf | CRK-FOX: got it? |
| 15:23.03 | enouf | for some reason ... I don't think so |
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| 15:28.17 | enouf | loumz: Nope .. no worky .. I haven't had ANY icons on my desktop for some time now .. and rightmouse, then properties, does NOT allow you to alter the iconat all .. One musty change the Apps associated overall icon |
| 15:29.25 | enouf | loumz: I put some icons back as a test .. then afterno workey .. poof! I blew them up and went back to my serene looking south pacific ocean view :-) |
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| 15:30.31 | loumz | enouf: I also don't have desktop icon... but I did try to create shortcuts in the filesystem using Konq's create new > link to application |
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| 15:31.07 | loumz | enouf: I thought desktop icons were just .desktop files in the "Desktop" directory ? |
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| 15:31.45 | Covener | Anyone know how I can get konsole/kde to do the same thing as the gnome-terminal setting "send backspace as ^H (instead of escape sequence)"? |
| 15:32.08 | enouf | loumz: likely they are -- there's a lot of kooky hidden ms like shit all over in them there subDirs of ~/.kde .. including infamous .desktop files or some shit |
| 15:32.56 | abrotman | !backspace |
| 15:33.02 | abrotman | bah .. it's in there somewhere |
| 15:33.06 | enouf | Covener: xmodmap? |
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| 15:34.02 | abrotman | !backspace problem |
| 15:34.03 | dpkg | if your backspace key acts like delete, run xmodmap -e "keycode 22 = BackSpace" `, which should restore the Backspace key to ^H |
| 15:34.07 | enouf | Covener: in Konsole --> Settings | configure shortcuts |
| 15:34.13 | abrotman | oh wait .. tha'ts not it |
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| 15:36.45 | Covener | xmodmap is too low level, I believe it's the terminal emulator getting in the way (experimentation agrees) |
| 15:36.53 | Covener | enouf: I don't really see anything applicable there |
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| 15:39.01 | loumz | Covener: Settings > Keyboard -> choose one that has backspace as ^H (don't know which one, unfortunately) |
| 15:39.06 | enouf | Covener: I'm not sure what you need (I don't understand the ctrl+H / ^H thing) .. no issues here with my backspace key .. sorry .. heheh ^H in ksirc pops up the Character mapping menu |
| 15:39.29 | Covener | enouf: For me it's only an issue when i ssh to certain hosts AND use screen :/ |
| 15:39.56 | Covener | enouf: (but fixed when flipping that setting in gnome-terminal, so I don't think I'm too far off) |
| 15:40.13 | enouf | Covener: ahhh .. I see .. well xmodmap is for X related apps and konsole surely is an VT based on X |
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| 15:40.42 | Covener | loumz: I think the keyboard is the wrong side of equation -- keycode is correct and terminal emulator sends escape sequence over the wire (i think) |
| 15:41.38 | loumz | I think that setting controls what the terminal sends... otherwise why would it have "linux console", "vt100"... |
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| 15:41.47 | enouf | Covener: wish I could help more .. apologies again .. I was thinking you could assign an Unused Keyboard Shortcut from within that menu to do whatever you wanted it to |
| 15:42.28 | loumz | Covener: wouldn't hurt to try... there's only five settings here |
| 15:42.38 | Covener | loumz: I've run through all the reasonable ones and tested |
| 15:43.17 | loumz | loumz: well I don't know much about it either. sorry. |
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| 15:45.04 | enouf | loumz: heheh .. I still have no clue what all those diff keyboard choices do - or are for.. and the Settings | configure Konsole | Sessions tab has even more available customizations, on a per-session basis if one wants |
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| 15:45.28 | enouf | loumz: speaking tio yourself again? :-p |
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| 15:47.14 | john_doe | I need a good guide on setting up a full "mail server environment", with imap, pop, smtp, ssmtp, and webmail (and maybe more?) Can you help me with such a guide? |
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| 15:47.47 | Ronin | john_doe: shupp.org look for toaster |
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| 15:49.30 | john_doe | Ronin, thanks |
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| 15:54.02 | Bhavesh | Ronin: thanks.. is that guide generic enough for bunch of programs or is it distro specific? |
| 15:54.56 | Ronin | Bhavesh: its pretty generic although he's got debian specific directions there |
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| 15:55.50 | Bhavesh | Ronin: thank you.. i want to learn how to setup up some of those things like imap, webmail on my machine at home |
| 15:56.00 | kakarot | how is a bug reported? |
| 15:56.30 | Ronin | Bhavesh: doing it this way you will most definitely learn how it works, not as easy though as apt-get install etc. |
| 15:56.36 | Fox | kakarot: reportbug |
| 15:56.52 | kakarot | fox ?? |
| 15:57.27 | Fox | kakarot: if you want to report a bug just use 'reportbug' |
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| 15:58.15 | Visiteur927 | slt a tous |
| 15:58.19 | Visiteur927 | des french? |
| 15:58.21 | wols | !fr |
| 15:58.22 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:58.23 | Bhavesh | Ronin: i saw the site.. it uses qmail vpop etc.. i already have postfix running with mailscanner/spamassasin/clamav i want to learn if i can build on what I already have |
| 15:58.23 | kakarot | tanks Fox |
| 15:58.42 | wols | Bhavesh: workaround.org ispmail |
| 15:58.46 | stew | screen -x |
| 15:58.47 | wols | or simply #postfix |
| 15:58.47 | Ronin | Bhavesh: lifewithqmail then |
| 15:58.49 | stew | err |
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| 15:59.06 | cydork | Ronin: very sad life :P |
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| 15:59.12 | Bhavesh | hehe |
| 15:59.15 | wols | cydork: it's his life |
| 15:59.35 | Bhavesh | wols: lemme check that ;) |
| 15:59.41 | cydork | wols: anyones life with qmail is sad! :P |
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| 15:59.46 | wols | Bhavesh: but it's a BIG setup |
| 15:59.57 | Ronin | cydork: we all know what opinions are :) |
| 15:59.57 | wols | a bit overkill, but very good howto |
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| 16:00.06 | cydork | Ronin: hehe |
| 16:00.25 | Bhavesh | wols: i am at that site.. |
| 16:00.30 | bonez39 | what would make a drive or certain folder load up as ro...read only? I can't write to /var or /home |
| 16:00.37 | bonez39 | and /var and /home are each otheir own partitions..... |
| 16:00.37 | cydork | !opinions |
| 16:00.37 | dpkg | opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, they all stink, and it's really not polite to air yours in public, or be prepared to defend yours if you do show it in #debian. Your opinion, not your asshole. Well, maybe both. |
| 16:00.54 | cydork | for people who dont know :P |
| 16:00.58 | wols | bonez39: either it's permissions or the partitions are mounted read only |
| 16:01.03 | stew | bonez39: if there is an error with a drive, it might get automatically remounted as readonly, |
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| 16:01.25 | Bhavesh | wols: i see that.. i am going to see if i can extract something out to make it useful for me.. |
| 16:01.27 | stew | bonez39: look for errors with the drive in dmesg |
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| 16:01.45 | Bhavesh | i want to add squirrelmail as webmail client but it needs other stuff to work |
| 16:01.46 | john_doe | I have my users' mailboxes in the Maildir format on a dovecut mailserver. Will there be any problem copying these to a courier server instead? |
| 16:01.52 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 16:01.57 | bonez39 | well, mtab shows this for these folders.....: /dev/hde6 /var ext3 rw 0 0 /dev/hde9 /home ext3 rw 0 0 |
| 16:01.57 | wols | Bhavesh: all it needs is a working imap server |
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| 16:02.17 | Cyorxamp | Apparently there is a standard 'set-top box' printer driver... and since alot of set-top boxes run linux... anyone know what/which driver it is that I need? |
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| 16:02.18 | wols | john_doe: shouldn't. might have to use maildirmake first |
| 16:02.24 | stew | john_doe: no, courier and dovecot will both work from the same Maildirs happily. dovecot will also happily work with mboxes but courier won't |
| 16:02.25 | bonez39 | EXT3-fs error (device hde9) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted thats on /home |
| 16:02.47 | wols | Cyorxamp: set top boxes are no printers. and do those boxes run debian? |
| 16:02.54 | john_doe | wols, stew: great :-) |
| 16:03.27 | Cyorxamp | 'are no printers' ? eh? |
| 16:03.27 | wols | stew: does doevecot maildirs need maildirmake first too? |
| 16:03.33 | wols | Cyorxamp: a set top box is no printer, so I don't get your question |
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| 16:03.48 | Cyorxamp | I didn't say a settop box was a printer |
| 16:04.26 | Braindead | Cyorxamp: we just don't get your question. or why it should have anything to do with debian |
| 16:04.32 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.41 | stew | wols: yes, but he seems to be talking about existing folders. either will create subfolders of an existing Maildir |
| 16:04.55 | Cyorxamp | No apparently there is a standard protocol/driver for communicaing with 'set-top box' ready printers |
| 16:05.07 | wols | stew: didn't know dovecot uses maildirmake too, that's what I wanted to know |
| 16:05.18 | Cyorxamp | And since some set-top boxes run linux and thus have this driver (according to lexmark)... I am curious as to know what it is called or where I can get it |
| 16:05.22 | stew | wols: neither uses maildirmake ttbomk |
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| 16:05.41 | stew | john_doe: oh, one caveat is that they use different namespaces. Courier will only let you create/use folders which are children of INBOX, dovecot will let you create / use folders which are siblings of INBOX |
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| 16:06.01 | wols | Cyorxamp: ask the maker of the box. and if it runs debian we "might", but just might be able to help you. if not, you're wrong here |
| 16:06.23 | Cyorxamp | What a wonderfully closed community you are here |
| 16:06.42 | Ronin | closed community? |
| 16:06.43 | john_doe | stew, what are siblings? |
| 16:06.58 | Braindead | Cyorxamp: good luck in the other 7 channels you've joined. HTH |
| 16:07.00 | Ronin | john_doe: brothers and sisters normally |
| 16:07.12 | Bhavesh | ok i give up |
| 16:07.18 | Bhavesh | that is a HUGE HUGE HUGE setup |
| 16:07.33 | wols | stew: http://www.courier-mta.org/?maildirmake.html |
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| 16:07.39 | Ronin | well wols did say it was big :) |
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| 16:08.01 | stew | john_doe: like in courier, you start with INBOX, and you can create INBOX.subfolder1 INBOX.subfolder2 as children of INBOX. in dovecot you can create INBOX.subfolder1 but also can created just "siblingfolder1" which is not a child of INBOX |
| 16:08.12 | Ronin | ahh heh |
| 16:08.13 | ma3x | debian kernel sucks with firewire |
| 16:08.30 | john_doe | Ronin, oh yes, that's actually an english word that I always like when I come across it - I just do that too rarely to remember the meaning from time to time :-) |
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| 16:08.45 | mikmu | Hey there, my partitions somehow got screwed up. http://sial.org/pbot/20231 sdb4 is obviously messed up. It's supposed to be an evms volume, not NTFS, as as far as I know, shouldn't it be starting at block 2931, unless theres some wierd evms thing that I never noticed before |
| 16:09.16 | john_doe | stew, hmm. I'll check if any users have done that... |
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| 16:09.55 | stew | wols: yes. i know about maildirmake and use it. I do not think that courier-imap uses this. I think that courier-imap will create imap folders without it. its use is recommended if you are creating maildirs by hand, but not required, you can just as well do "mkdir cur tmp new && chown mailuser cur tmp new && chmod 700 cur tmp new" |
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| 16:10.35 | WerdnaServer | what would be a good console packet sniffer to use for HTTP debugging? |
| 16:10.36 | wols | stew: it usually was the fastest way to add a new yeasrs mailbox |
| 16:11.13 | wols | and I distincly remember it described in howtos and such when I still used maildir (10k messages/folder just isn't working with maildir) |
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| 16:12.10 | WerdnaServer | apt-get install tethereal |
| 16:12.12 | WerdnaServer | uh, whoops |
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| 16:18.13 | jetscreamer | i found a new and different way to do rm -Rf / |
| 16:18.38 | jetscreamer | dselect --clear-selected && dselect remove |
| 16:18.43 | jetscreamer | err dpkg |
| 16:18.50 | jetscreamer | --clear-selected |
| 16:18.54 | jetscreamer | or so |
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| 16:19.59 | vin` | find something better to do. :) |
| 16:20.59 | jduggan | !nvidia_one_liner |
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| 16:22.45 | suppaman | hello |
| 16:23.00 | dn4 | Nvidia got dropped in etch for now |
| 16:23.14 | fadey77 | hi) |
| 16:23.23 | jetscreamer | !list keys one-liner |
| 16:23.33 | jetscreamer | !listkeys one-liner |
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| 16:24.23 | Cyorxamp | Is there a generic PCL printer driver on linux? |
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| 16:31.08 | kapowaz | how do I change the system name of a computer after it's been initially defined? |
| 16:31.41 | Braindead | !tell kapowaz about hostname |
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| 16:31.56 | tarzeau | HILARIOUS |
| 16:32.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: how do you watch a DVD, certainly not with Debian? |
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| 16:33.25 | Coweater | i wonder how i watch dvds then |
| 16:33.47 | tarzeau | Coweater: on mac? in windows? |
| 16:34.17 | craigevil | whats wrong with watching dvds with Debian? |
| 16:34.22 | grendal_prime | hey guys |
| 16:34.44 | tarzeau | can mplayer find out which is the longest "title" and play just that? |
| 16:34.44 | Coweater | debian-multimedia.org has all the stuff you would need |
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| 16:34.45 | kapowaz | cheers Braindead |
| 16:34.46 | grendal_prime | i have a question about SElinux...i guess.. |
| 16:34.50 | tarzeau | instead of making me try out all 16 "tracks" |
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| 16:35.19 | craigevil | kaffeine always just starts the dvd , no different than a dvd player would |
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| 16:35.42 | tarzeau | xine maybe? |
| 16:35.45 | Coweater | ogle has better menu support |
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| 16:36.32 | Coweater | i dunno if that helps much navigating tracks, can't remember |
| 16:36.59 | relaxed | tarzeau: run this and mplayer will show you the longest title http://johnvansickle.com/stuff/bourne/idmedia |
| 16:37.03 | grendal_prime | that brings up another question i have about mpeg stuff |
| 16:37.09 | stew | i hear that ogle doesn't do interlaced video though, which would make playback of dvds sub optimal |
| 16:38.12 | Braindead | amateur interlaced dvds? |
| 16:38.27 | Braindead | amateur as in "amateur pr0n" |
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| 16:38.55 | tarzeau | my popcorn is finshed before the film even started |
| 16:39.00 | stew | !popcorn |
| 16:39.02 | grendal_prime | i was noticing the other day i was using kplayer (wich has been very untroublesome in the past) it for some reason did not want to play an mpg video i had..disney movie i archived onto the kids machine but i could open it with mplayer? |
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| 16:41.08 | ma3x | stew, I get these errors: sd 11:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to offline device after a few minutes having turned on my harddrive-firewire |
| 16:41.17 | ma3x | stew, can you help please? |
| 16:42.00 | stew | ma3x: dunno. never seen that before. if i had to guess i'd guess it was a hardware error |
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| 16:42.18 | relaxed | grendal_prime: mplayer frontends almost always screw something up. |
| 16:42.44 | n3kl | why ubuntu? |
| 16:42.48 | ion_bidon | hello, if I create a _i686 debian package, can I install it the i386 distribution ? |
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| 16:43.06 | fasta | How can I compile a kernel from kernel.org without kernel-package, as it is broken? I am currently using initrd. I don't think initrd is something Debian specific, so that would just be a matter of finding the right option. Also, I would like to get the binary nvidia drivers to work. I currently have those installed via m-a. Will this create any problems? |
| 16:43.07 | ma3x | stew, the harddrive is working fine via usb. and my firewire is working fine with the camera. |
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| 16:43.43 | stew | ma3x: then i would blame the fireware component of the external enclosure |
| 16:43.50 | catlee | Hello |
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| 16:44.20 | catlee | I'd like to get http://atlee.ca/blog/software/kexec-chooser included in debian...How do I go about doing that? Do I need a sponsor for the package? |
| 16:44.25 | relaxed | fasta: I used kernel-package on unstable last night and all seemed well. How is it broken? |
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| 16:44.37 | ma3x | stew, the enclosure provides cd-drivers. does that tell you something? |
| 16:44.40 | fasta | relaxed: Ok, interesting. I will reproduce the error. |
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| 16:45.03 | ma3x | stew, I mean can it be that, it's working only in windows |
| 16:45.04 | fasta | relaxed: exec make -f /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk clean |
| 16:45.04 | fasta | /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/misc/version_vars.mk:55: *** missing `endif'. Stop. |
| 16:45.12 | relaxed | fasta: update first. kernel-package from last week was screwy. |
| 16:45.15 | stew | ma3x: i dont' know then |
| 16:45.17 | ma3x | stew, and is there a way to load those drivers in linux |
| 16:45.25 | fasta | relaxed: I updated yesterday :? |
| 16:45.36 | relaxed | ok |
| 16:45.56 | ma3x | ok stew thanks |
| 16:46.18 | fasta | relaxed: maybe I just have that file wrong, could you see whether make-kpkg clean works on a source tree for you? |
| 16:46.31 | relaxed | fasta: show me your command. |
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| 16:46.42 | fasta | relaxed: make-kpkg clean |
| 16:46.55 | relaxed | ha, that should work.. |
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| 16:47.47 | fasta | relaxed: My "real" command is larger of course. |
| 16:47.52 | myren | is there a command that'll filter multiple whitespaces into a single whitee space? |
| 16:48.00 | fasta | relaxed: But this exposes the problem. |
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| 16:48.33 | pipeline | myren: cat file | perl -nle '$_ =~ s/\d+/\d/; print' > file.new |
| 16:48.44 | relaxed | fasta: unstable? |
| 16:48.52 | fasta | relaxed: right |
| 16:49.10 | fasta | relaxed: actually testing/unstable, but this is the unstable package |
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| 16:50.08 | relaxed | Don't think it's wise to mix the two. |
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| 16:50.33 | fasta | relaxed: could you diff this file with your version? |
| 16:50.39 | myren | pipeline: just seems like its a common enough task there might be an app for it |
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| 16:51.37 | n3kl | Ok, so I am new to debain. Thought I would try it out. After several weeks I have realized that the sources file seems to get poluted with all these third party address just so you can have one or two piecesof software installed, like wine or openoffice or other such fun. Is it just me or is this just the nature of debian? |
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| 16:52.10 | relaxed | fasta: same file. |
| 16:52.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: libdvdread3 |
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| 16:52.22 | fasta | relaxed: ok, and what kernel did you try to compile? |
| 16:52.30 | fasta | relaxed: 2.6.18 from kernel.org? |
| 16:53.01 | pipeline | myren: Yeah, regex. |
| 16:53.06 | stew | n3kl: there should be no reason to use 3rd party repositories for wine or openoffice.org, both of those are available from any official debian mirror |
| 16:53.06 | relaxed | I have compiled that one and linux-source-2.6.18 using apt. |
| 16:53.08 | pipeline | myren: regular expressions are standardized :P |
| 16:53.20 | pipeline | myren: perl is just my preferred regex tool because I'm a lazy shit. You could use sed instead. |
| 16:53.26 | fasta | relaxed: what make version? |
| 16:53.34 | vulture | pipeline: they are? what standard..? |
| 16:53.34 | fasta | relaxed: you compiled _both_? |
| 16:53.49 | relaxed | fasta: yes, not at the same time :P |
| 16:53.50 | Ronin | n3kl: explain again please in small words as im dumber then normal |
| 16:54.11 | pipeline | vulture: IEEE 1003.1 2004 revision |
| 16:54.14 | fasta | relaxed: ok, hmm, what command did you use? |
| 16:54.36 | relaxed | fasta: make 3.81-3 |
| 16:54.44 | fasta | relaxed: I have 3.80 |
| 16:54.51 | vulture | pipeline: and who implements that? |
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| 16:55.13 | relaxed | fasta: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image --revision=`date +%m.%d.%y` |
| 16:55.34 | vulture | pipeline: more specifically: which tools implement the regex portion of the POSIX standard? |
| 16:55.38 | pipeline | vulture: You're not very bright, are you |
| 16:55.47 | pipeline | vulture: SysV and GNU sed are both compliant. |
| 16:55.50 | fasta | relaxed: hmm, I have that version to when I look in syntaptic |
| 16:56.12 | pipeline | vulture: So are SysV [ef]grep and GNU grep |
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| 16:56.43 | pipeline | vulture: in fact, perl and ruby are the only things I can think of that DON'T have standard-conforming regex engines. |
| 16:57.03 | vulture | pipeline: Java, C#, Python, Boost::regex? |
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| 16:57.47 | n3kl | stew: so in reality, you only have a couple deb lines in your sources.list |
| 16:57.47 | n3kl | ? |
| 16:57.48 | pipeline | vulture: Java and C# are. Python, I'm not sure, but I suspect so. Boost::regex, I have no idea. C++ can go die in the corner; its time has past. |
| 16:57.50 | fasta | relaxed: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3963 |
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| 16:58.08 | fasta | relaxed: I get almost the same as with my command. |
| 16:58.31 | pipeline | vulture: Well, I take that back; Java and C# are conformant in the portions they implement. Obviously they don't use the s///igm syntactic stuff :\ |
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| 16:58.45 | knoxy | hi all.. I'm using VMWare 4 (.deb).. I've installed 2 vm's: 1 windows 2000 server and in the other I couldn't install debian.. the boot cd is not found at debian installation and I don't know why.. The main problem is debian installation, but windows 2000 VM doesn't link to the network.. Somebody help me? |
| 16:58.52 | vulture | pipeline: I don't recall seeing any evidence of conformance in Java's docs at least.. any reference? |
| 16:58.58 | fasta | I tried reporting a bug twice, but the message didn't appear in the BTS. I mailed the maintainer, but I didn't get a reply... |
| 16:59.05 | vulture | (I don't recall seeing any in C#'s either, but I've never looked) |
| 16:59.18 | pipeline | vulture: Err, why would they mention it? |
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| 16:59.22 | relaxed | fasta: apt-get install --reinstall kernel-package |
| 16:59.23 | stew | n3kl: yes |
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| 16:59.34 | pipeline | vulture: It's not particularly important in that context. I'm sure they wouldn't hesitate to break conformance. |
| 16:59.44 | vulture | pipeline: So what makes you think it does conform? |
| 16:59.50 | pipeline | vulture: Anyway, when you find an expression that works with SysV 'sed' and doesn't work in java, get back to me. |
| 16:59.57 | n3kl | stew: etch? |
| 17:00.20 | fasta | relaxed: I already tried it, but I will do it again just to complete the deugging process.. |
| 17:00.21 | pipeline | vulture: The developer's intent was to be entirely compatible with Solaris sed, which they were familiar with. |
| 17:00.32 | fasta | relaxed: same result |
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| 17:00.44 | vulture | pipeline: How do you know that? |
| 17:00.56 | relaxed | fasta: Myabe it has something to do with your testing / unstable mix ? |
| 17:01.15 | pipeline | vulture: Christ. You can google as well as I can. Fuck off, bud. |
| 17:01.39 | fasta | relaxed: yes, you said that earlier. I don't know. Is there a way to go completely back to unstable? |
| 17:01.51 | fasta | relaxed: edit sources.list;aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 17:01.56 | relaxed | sure |
| 17:01.58 | wols | fasta: dist upgrade to it |
| 17:02.06 | vulture | pipeline: Sun's Javadocs seem to indicate that \p{Lower} gives lowercase characters, the POSIX standard uses [:lower:] - is that incompatible enough for you? (granted - I haven't checked if Java's regex provides undocumented support for [:name:] class specifiers, but I highly doubt it) |
| 17:02.07 | wols | but you cannot go back to testing, so be warned |
| 17:02.21 | pipeline | vulture: Hell, if you *really* *really* care, you could attempt to test java regex for yourself. As far as I know, it's entirely 100% compatible with Solaris sed, which is conformant to the POSIX standard. C# regex is as compatible as possible with Java, as it was originally included for the sake of J# |
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| 17:03.31 | vulture | pipeline: the specs seem to indicate several differences - so it seems your claims of conformance are a little sketchy. Though it's nice to know about the common standardization between sed & grep at least, thanks for the ref. |
| 17:03.42 | fasta | wols: I already tried somewhat going back to testing, but apparently that didn't make my system better :) |
| 17:04.06 | pipeline | vulture: I just thought of other non-conformant implementations: clppcre and libpcre, both of which conform to perl regex instead. |
| 17:04.07 | fasta | wols: if you replace the entries with testing you can get back somewhat. |
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| 17:04.52 | wols | fasta: downgrades are not supported, period |
| 17:05.00 | fasta | wols: I know |
| 17:05.01 | wols | and "somewhat" is not "fully" |
| 17:05.10 | fasta | wols: I know that too |
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| 17:05.37 | vulture | pipeline: *nods* in my experience there are some common ideas (*, ., +, etc) and classic implementations (perl) that some other implementations conform or at least aspire to. But there's generally a lack of strong uniformity across all things that call themselves "regular expressions" |
| 17:05.43 | relaxed | fasta: upgrade fully to unstable and pray to the baby jesus. |
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| 17:06.22 | pipeline | vulture: Uniformity? hahah. No. Not at all. But there's a common subset. |
| 17:07.05 | vulture | pipeline: which isn't speced, so it's kind of impossible to code for with much surety |
| 17:07.17 | vulture | by accident rather than by common agreement |
| 17:07.27 | pipeline | vulture: Christ, if it makes you that uncomfortable, use perl everywhere. |
| 17:07.34 | fasta | What's a good backup solution for a location with two pc's (one windows, one Linux)? I heard of the Freecom network storage gateway. Is there anything else? |
| 17:07.43 | pipeline | fasta: arkeia |
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| 17:08.18 | fasta | pipeline: Isn't that software? |
| 17:08.22 | vulture | pipeline: It doesn't make me uncomfortable, just don't like to perpetuate the idea that they are the same, only to cause people confusion later. I just check the docs for whatever regex engine/tool I'm using. |
| 17:08.47 | fasta | pipeline: I am mostly looking for hardware that is supported with Windows software and Linux software. |
| 17:09.30 | knoxy | hi all.. I'm using VMWare 4 (.deb).. I've installed 2 vm's: 1 windows 2000 server and in the other I couldn't install debian.. the boot cd is not found at debian installation and I don't know why.. The main problem is debian installation, but windows 2000 VM doesn't link to the network.. Somebody help me? |
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| 17:09.49 | fasta | pipeline: oh, I see they have partners. |
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| 17:10.05 | lunaphyte_ | does anyone know of a pastebin type thing, but for images? |
| 17:10.15 | valdyn | knoxy: if the windows boot cd worked but the debian one did not, then that CD is wrong, which again is not debian's fault most likely but the one's who burned it |
| 17:10.23 | fasta | lunaphyte_: mageshack |
| 17:10.27 | AndyCap | lunaphyte_: imageshack? |
| 17:11.00 | knoxy | valdyn, debian cd is ok.. I tried netbsd cd and not found too |
| 17:11.17 | valdyn | knoxy: so you really meant that the boot cd drive was not found? |
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| 17:11.36 | edju | I'm about to make the switch from gentoo to debian. I seee, hoever, that stable provides xfree86, and that xorg is being worked on. The notice is dated 7/2005. If I install stable, can I switch to xorg? |
| 17:11.47 | abrotman | edju: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 17:11.48 | lunaphyte_ | fasta, AndyCap: thanks. |
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| 17:12.07 | valdyn | edju: yes, via 'upgrading' to etch or via 'http://www.backports.org/ |
| 17:12.24 | JordiGH | How does kdm determine what's the default session or previous? I want everyone's previous or default session to be kde instead of gnome. |
| 17:12.31 | fasta | pipeline: I see that webpage, but I don't see anything saying: give us $$$, and we give you a device that stores bits. |
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| 17:12.32 | abrotman | edju: what is your main reason for leaving gentoo ? |
| 17:12.46 | DomnulRotaru | Hello. I have just installed the latest Stable Debian with kernel 2.6.8-2-386 with Desktop Environment and i have a problem starting KDE and Gnome. After the login screen if i start Gnome that screen with Debian white on blue apears and remain like that forever. If i try KDE it blocks at Initializing system services. What could be the problem? |
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| 17:13.14 | jonaskoelker | The libuim3 bug (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=387661) is wedging my apt-get; how can I work around it? |
| 17:13.25 | JordiGH | DomnulRotaru: Have you tried a failsafe term yet? |
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| 17:13.58 | pipeline | fasta: Yeah, it's software. Were you looking for a tape library? |
| 17:13.58 | valdyn | JordiGH: update-alternatives --list x-session-manager |
| 17:14.03 | DomnulRotaru | JordiGH i tried the Gnome failsafe and it blocks likewise. What to do in the terminal? |
| 17:14.41 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: /msg dpkg overwrite |
| 17:14.54 | fasta | pipeline: I am looking for something costing <$350 that can give auto backup of the two machines that are not always on. I.e. when they shutdown the updates should be written to the backup. |
| 17:15.07 | pipeline | fasta: Doesn't exist. |
| 17:15.09 | JordiGH | DomnulRotaru: Failsafe is supposed to bring up an xterm. :-/ |
| 17:15.20 | pipeline | fasta: The cheapest solution is PCI watchdog cards. Those will be about a thousand bucks a host. |
| 17:15.34 | valdyn | fasta: what should cost 350$? the nas device? |
| 17:16.17 | jonaskoelker | abrotman: thanks |
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| 17:16.17 | blackelf | is there some hardened debian? |
| 17:16.17 | edju | abrotman, I've been running gentoo for years, but it's just too complex. e.g., in order to upgrade to gcc4.whatever, I'd have to recompile a lot, and that takes time. Same with various libraries, etc. Time to that that takes away from real work. |
| 17:16.18 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:16.18 | blackelf | I need to have all packaes with -fPIC to work with grseurity |
| 17:16.18 | fasta | pipeline: FreeCom storage gateway does that |
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| 17:16.18 | abrotman | edju: you might be happy with etch ... it will be released as stable RSN |
| 17:16.18 | fasta | pipeline: It's no tape of course. |
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| 17:16.20 | abrotman | blackelf: there's a project somehwere |
| 17:16.21 | abrotman | !harden |
| 17:16.22 | dpkg | it has been said that harden is D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 17:16.24 | JordiGH | valdyn: Uh, right, but how do I make it so that next time someone logs in from kdm, they'll log into kde and not gnome? |
| 17:16.30 | fasta | pipeline: And I am certainly no expert in this area like you |
| 17:16.30 | DomnulRotaru | JordiGH, so i try it and then come back if it doesn't work? Should i also decrease resolution in XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 17:16.37 | valdyn | JordiGH: 'man update-alternatives' |
| 17:16.45 | fasta | !nas |
| 17:16.46 | dpkg | i heard nas is a network audio system, a lot like esound with special features, like a module wich can hijack your /dev/dsp on clients. (libaudiooss/http://www.mo.himolde.no/~knan/linux.html). Network Attached Storage |
| 17:16.57 | edju | abrotman, etch is "unstable"? |
| 17:17.04 | fasta | pipeline: yes, the nas device |
| 17:17.07 | valdyn | fasta: the last is what i mean, the backup 'logic' really is trivial |
| 17:17.08 | Silent_al | hello , can some1 please remind me how to open pm's in a new tab? its something like: /set gui_dialog_open |
| 17:17.24 | Ronin | Silent_al: have you tried #xchat? |
| 17:17.26 | pipeline | fasta: sounds like you're a small business or something. I don't think I'm the person to talk to about this. I like things centralized :) |
| 17:17.32 | JordiGH | valdyn: I don't think this is a Debian-specific question. kdm somehow figures out that my default is kde and that everyone else's default is gnome. |
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| 17:17.42 | dendrite | edju: Etch is "testing." |
| 17:17.44 | fasta | pipeline: no, it's for the home network. |
| 17:17.48 | Silent_al | Ronin,yup , they're all "dead" |
| 17:17.49 | valdyn | JordiGH: 'default' ? |
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| 17:18.03 | valdyn | JordiGH: your ~/.xsession file is empty? |
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| 17:18.12 | edju | abrotman, Many bugs there? |
| 17:18.14 | JordiGH | I don't have an xsession file. |
| 17:18.18 | JordiGH | .xsession |
| 17:18.28 | fasta | There are "one button" backup solutions, but those are targeted at Windows users. |
| 17:18.36 | valdyn | JordiGH: then we arent talking about a default i assume, but the selection that kdm saved for you vs its default |
| 17:19.02 | JordiGH | valdyn: Perhaps. But if you don't select anything at all from the kdm menu, then you get gnome. |
| 17:19.02 | fasta | When the house burns down, those backup solutions are still worthless, but it will safe from a crash. |
| 17:19.19 | haver1 | hi, how do I report broken dependencies? |
| 17:19.27 | JordiGH | valdyn: After I select kde, log in, kdm remembers my default (default=previous) and logs me into kde. |
| 17:19.38 | JordiGH | !bts |
| 17:19.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:19.41 | valdyn | JordiGH: that's determined by what i already hinted you at , update-alternatives as too to change it and x-session-manager as the property to change |
| 17:19.52 | valdyn | s/too/tool/ |
| 17:20.25 | JordiGH | valdyn: My question, I think, is about kdm. :-/ |
| 17:20.26 | abrotman | edju: for some people .. my laptop runs .. runs pretty darn well too |
| 17:20.41 | valdyn | JordiGH: not really |
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| 17:20.55 | abrotman | edju: etch is currently testing .. sid is always unstable .. sarge is currently stable .. etch will release as stable and sarge will become old stable |
| 17:20.59 | abrotman | erm .. oldstable |
| 17:21.11 | valdyn | JordiGH: though kdm could probably be convinced to chose kde as default instead of 'default X session' which would be somewhat silly |
| 17:21.24 | JordiGH | valdyn: Let's try something. I'm gonna start gdm. If gdm logs me into kde by default, then I'll believe you. ;-) |
| 17:22.24 | edju | abrotman, OK. So, if I install sarge, I would not be able to replace xfree86 with xorg - right? |
| 17:22.24 | valdyn | JordiGH: that should be the case, but if its not that doesn't necessarily mean im wrong, i dont have all the data you do. |
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| 17:22.36 | pipeline | fasta: There's no good way to backup windows with software, as windows doesn't support fs snapshots |
| 17:22.38 | valdyn | JordiGH: for instance, i dont know what you x-session-manager is set to |
| 17:22.46 | pipeline | fasta: Rather, there's no open API for fs snapshotting. |
| 17:23.14 | valdyn | edju: wrong |
| 17:23.24 | JordiGH | Alrighty. Looks like you're right. gdm also logged me into kde. |
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| 17:23.29 | abrotman | edju: yes .. you can ... you can use backports |
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| 17:24.11 | iarenaza | pipeline what about Shadow Volume Manager? |
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| 17:25.03 | edju | abrotman, OK - thanks a lot. Off to install, then. |
| 17:25.20 | n3kl | I have a script that I would like to see exactly the commands that are being executed. I know its possible. Oftern usefull for determining aliases. Anyone know what I am talking about? |
| 17:25.36 | iarenaza | n3kl sh -x scriptname |
| 17:25.36 | JordiGH | jordi@Ophelia:/etc/kde3/kdm$ sudo update-alternatives --list x-session-manager |
| 17:25.47 | valdyn | n3kl: executed by who? |
| 17:26.05 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.10 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.10 | abrotman | !tell edju about ig |
| 17:26.14 | valdyn | n3kl: oh hm, which language is that script written in? |
| 17:26.14 | JordiGH | Hmmm... |
| 17:26.14 | n3kl | valdyn: me |
| 17:26.16 | JordiGH | In that order. |
| 17:26.22 | n3kl | valdyn: bash |
| 17:26.35 | abrotman | n3kl: ask #bash |
| 17:26.42 | Silent_al | dpkg, worship valdyn |
| 17:27.00 | n3kl | iarenaza: I think that does what I want, but I thought there was another way to do it... some sort of set something |
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| 17:27.03 | n3kl | abrotman: yup |
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| 17:27.20 | iarenaza | n3kl set -x ? |
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| 17:27.40 | kill4killin_alt | I hate how i can't override my nick being used on another computer, and kick myself off or something |
| 17:28.21 | Rez | kill4killin_alt: register your nick. |
| 17:28.31 | JordiGH | kdm and gdm both log me into last/previous session. How do they determine what my last or previous session was? |
| 17:28.35 | kill4killin_alt | i did |
| 17:28.47 | azeem | JordiGH: magic |
| 17:28.48 | kill4killin_alt | but its logged in registered under my other computer |
| 17:28.49 | valdyn | JordiGH: they save it in ~/.kdmrc or somesuch |
| 17:28.59 | cydork | kill4killin_alt: /msg nickserv help |
| 17:29.01 | valdyn | JordiGH: wonder why you'd care though |
| 17:29.03 | abrotman | kill4killin_alt: you can recover it |
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| 17:30.31 | JordiGH | valdyn: I want users to use KDE by default, and I don't want to have to explain to everyone that they need to use a menu. |
| 17:30.37 | MatBoy | Is it possible to setup your own RBL-mirror-server ? |
| 17:30.54 | valdyn | JordiGH: so why dont you set the x-session-manager? |
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| 17:31.07 | abrotman | MatBoy: you'd have to ask the RBL maintainers to allow you to mirror |
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| 17:31.12 | kml | hi, does using lvm improve disk performance and how so? |
| 17:31.32 | kml | logical |
| 17:31.35 | abrotman | it improves disk space utilization |
| 17:31.36 | kill4killin | ahhhh, thats better |
| 17:31.39 | MatBoy | abrotman, ah OK... there is no such channel for RBL isn't there ? |
| 17:32.01 | abrotman | MatBoy: i assume oyu mean RealTime Black List ? |
| 17:32.05 | abrotman | for spam etc ? |
| 17:32.16 | MatBoy | abrotman, yes indeed. |
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| 17:32.30 | abrotman | MatBoy: not that i'm aware of .. but there are so many |
| 17:32.34 | iarenaza | abrotman and maybe disk performance if you strip your volume group across several disks, but RAID would do it too... |
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| 17:32.56 | JordiGH | valdyn: I don't understand. What will that do, and how do I set it? Should I just resign myself to figuring out that manpage? |
| 17:32.58 | abrotman | sure .. but it won't automatically do it |
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| 17:33.13 | valdyn | JordiGH: you should read it |
| 17:33.22 | fasta | pipeline: Why would it be impossible to run a task when Windows stops? |
| 17:33.35 | MatBoy | abrotman, indeed, but I think you will have less delay when you set it up locally. In other words, I want to test the performance that I get with it. |
| 17:33.39 | orestyle3 | how do you list the hardware recognized within debian (ex. additional ethernet cards) |
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| 17:33.55 | h3sp4wn | orestyle3: lshw ? |
| 17:33.56 | abrotman | MatBoy: use a caching dns server ? |
| 17:33.56 | fasta | pipeline: I only care about documents being backupped, not the complete system. |
| 17:34.04 | valdyn | fasta: you want to ask that in a windows support channel |
| 17:34.11 | JordiGH | Crap. Found it. |
| 17:34.12 | JordiGH | .dmrc |
| 17:34.16 | JordiGH | session=kde |
| 17:34.16 | MatBoy | abrotman, also possible |
| 17:34.17 | JordiGH | changed it to |
| 17:34.19 | JordiGH | session=gnome |
| 17:34.21 | JordiGH | That was all. |
| 17:34.25 | fasta | valdyn: ok, what if I only wanted to backup from Linux? |
| 17:34.32 | JordiGH | I'm putting that into /etc/skel and copying it to everyone else's home directory. |
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| 17:34.41 | h3sp4wn | fasta: Thought of trying ifolder ? |
| 17:34.45 | fasta | valdyn: (since the Windows machine also runs Linux) |
| 17:34.51 | valdyn | fasta: then you would probably use the init system for backup |
| 17:35.08 | MatBoy | abrotman, I will try to find out what both of them have a positive parts and negative. But the caching DNS is not a bad idea ! |
| 17:35.12 | MatBoy | thanks ! |
| 17:35.14 | fasta | valdyn: yes, that's where I can place the logic. |
| 17:35.18 | valdyn | fasta: a suitable script in /etc/init.d/ and the appropriate symlinks in /etc/rcX.d/ |
| 17:35.18 | fasta | valdyn: that's simple. |
| 17:35.24 | fasta | valdyn: I mean the hardware |
| 17:35.42 | orestyle3 | h3sp4wn: That works! Thanks !! |
| 17:36.00 | valdyn | fasta: i dont get what you are referring to |
| 17:36.06 | fasta | Everyone is saying in this channel:"But you do have backups, right?" |
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| 17:36.20 | fasta | Well, I do want to get backup hardware (e.g. nas). |
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| 17:36.34 | fasta | Well, what should I get for home network? |
| 17:36.39 | JordiGH | ls |
| 17:36.44 | kill4killin | Why do people think that we can make network exceptions for them, why do they think they are so special that we can change our network policies just to suite their needs |
| 17:36.58 | valdyn | fasta: i have no idea which plain nas hardware is decent |
| 17:37.11 | fasta | valdyn: ok, thank you. |
| 17:37.25 | Ronin | pardon kill4killin ? |
| 17:37.34 | kill4killin | sorry, slight venting on my end |
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| 17:37.48 | smcavoy_ | hello, I'm having trouble installing sarge on a system with a nforce 570 sli chipset. Slackware was able to install on it, so I am wondering if its just that it didn't auto detect the sata controller. |
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| 17:38.02 | kill4killin | i work in the IT department for a college and students call up and ask us to make an exception in our network policies for their IP address |
| 17:38.32 | Hoxzer | what text based emailer could easily send email with one attachment if one command is executed? |
| 17:38.36 | AndroidData | hi. I'd like to put all closed ports on "stealth". How do I configure IPtables to check for every *closed* port and drop connections based on that? |
| 17:38.39 | cydork | kill4killin: one word. BOFH ;) |
| 17:38.43 | Hoxzer | and use custom smtp server |
| 17:38.45 | valdyn | smcavoy_: sarge's default 2.4 kernel and even the 2.6 kernel are probably to old |
| 17:38.48 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 17:38.49 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
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| 17:39.07 | kill4killin | :P |
| 17:39.14 | valdyn | smcavoy_: last line, offers an 'updated' installer |
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| 17:39.37 | JordiGH | kill4killin: What kind of exceptions? |
| 17:40.04 | dendrite | AndroidData: As far as I know, there is not way to have iptables automagically detect what ports have or don't have listeners bound. |
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| 17:40.16 | AndroidData | oh. ok. |
| 17:40.16 | iarenaza | JordiGH I'll make a guess: unfiltered connection to everywhere :-) |
| 17:40.17 | valdyn | AndroidData: thats a really ugly idea |
| 17:40.19 | slacktyro | hi all, i'm getting problem to acess some url the error msg is: |
| 17:40.24 | valdyn | AndroidData: you probably mean something else |
| 17:40.25 | kill4killin | for example, one student just called up asking us to remove all firewall restrictions because he was unable to use Limwire on our network. That he could manage a software firewall from his end |
| 17:40.37 | Ronin | kill4killin: lol oh ya bofh time on that one |
| 17:40.55 | slacktyro | Time out on server Conection was refuser <url> at port 80 |
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| 17:41.22 | slacktyro | sorry the right is to instead refuse |
| 17:41.33 | JordiGH | kill4killin: Does Limwire have legal uses anyways? |
| 17:41.49 | valdyn | slacktyro: so that server is not up |
| 17:41.52 | kill4killin | i don't believe so, and even if it did, most of our restrictions are set to save bandwidth |
| 17:42.10 | slacktyro | valdyn, it's, there friends acessing there |
| 17:42.21 | slacktyro | some people told me to modify the modprobe.conf |
| 17:42.24 | valdyn | slacktyro: from where are they accessing it? |
| 17:42.29 | JordiGH | Ugh. What a Windowsy solution: http://math.arizona.edu/~support/linux/resetlinuxdesktop.php |
| 17:42.48 | JordiGH | Something not working? Just delete all configuration files! One of those is bound to fix it! |
| 17:43.18 | slacktyro | valdyn: from mozilla as me |
| 17:43.21 | abrotman | kill4killin: just tell him the university does not condone the use of p2p networks |
| 17:43.36 | slacktyro | i tried other navigators too, but here it's really not working |
| 17:43.52 | kill4killin | we did, he then insisted to talk to the head of IT |
| 17:43.54 | valdyn | slacktyro: i never though this was in any way related to the browser used |
| 17:43.58 | kill4killin | thats when it got fun |
| 17:44.00 | valdyn | slacktyro: i never thought this was in any way related to the browser used |
| 17:44.13 | valdyn | slacktyro: where means: which ip to which ip, locally or via internet or what |
| 17:44.36 | slacktyro | the url is www.falconryquestions.co.uk |
| 17:44.42 | JordiGH | kill4killin: Do tell! |
| 17:44.51 | valdyn | slacktyro: ok, works for me |
| 17:45.16 | valdyn | slacktyro: try 'telnet www.falconryquestions.co.uk 80', tell us what you get |
| 17:45.26 | kill4killin | I can only imagine what happened, but we transfered him to head of IT and well...lets just say he is a real bofh |
| 17:45.38 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 17:45.42 | JordiGH | !greet seb |
| 17:45.43 | dpkg | Moo, seb |
| 17:45.53 | Seb | heh |
| 17:45.55 | kill4killin | rotfl |
| 17:46.02 | kill4killin | never heard that one |
| 17:46.07 | JordiGH | !moo |
| 17:46.08 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 17:46.10 | Seb | how do I force dpkg to isntall a .deb that conflicts with an installed package ? |
| 17:46.22 | azeem | Seb: you shouldn't |
| 17:46.24 | Ronin | Seb: probibly shouldnt |
| 17:46.24 | abrotman | conflicts package-wise .. or file wise? |
| 17:46.26 | JordiGH | Seb: Generally bad idea, but --force-help should do it. |
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| 17:46.37 | Seb | JordiGH: i'm struggling to find the right one in there |
| 17:46.52 | JordiGH | Seb: --force-all.... you didn't hear it from me. |
| 17:46.56 | abrotman | seb: if it's a dependency conflict .. don't force it .. it'll make your life miserable |
| 17:47.14 | Seb | azeem, Ronin: trust me guys, I know what I'm doing; I'd do it with apt-get, but it's for a remote install, with packages pre-downloaded to /var/cache/at/archives, and the sources.list has been changed inbetween so apt-get is not an option |
| 17:47.36 | abrotman | if you knew what you were doing .. you wouldn't have asked us how to do it |
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| 17:47.42 | kill4killin | :P |
| 17:47.46 | Seb | abrotman: cmon, dhcp3-cleint conflicts with dhcp-client, pump provides dhcp-client, i mean i just want dpkg to remove pump and install what I ask for |
| 17:47.46 | slacktyro | valdyn: it's trying 85.189.11.9 |
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| 17:48.18 | Seb | abrotman: I meant to say that I know there is no critical package involved in this "force" thing, so I'll be fine |
| 17:48.19 | azeem | Seb: so remove pump first |
| 17:48.39 | Seb | azeem: there's a few more of them like that, I'd rather have dpkg do it automatically |
| 17:48.46 | valdyn | slacktyro: and? connection refused? |
| 17:48.54 | slacktyro | no |
| 17:48.58 | azeem | Seb: sounds like trouble |
| 17:49.01 | slacktyro | nothing at the screen |
| 17:49.03 | valdyn | slacktyro: its hanging? |
| 17:49.07 | Seb | JordiGH: ok, I was thinking more of the "right" option, but ok :) |
| 17:49.33 | valdyn | slacktyro: if you see 'Escape character is '^]'.', type GET and hit enter |
| 17:49.35 | Seb | azeem: apt-get would do it just fine, I don't see why asking dpkg to do it should be more of a problem |
| 17:49.49 | azeem | Seb: because one shouldn't use dpkg direclt |
| 17:49.52 | valdyn | slacktyro: if that works fine you do have a browser issue of some kind |
| 17:49.56 | azeem | and apt-get would simply refuse |
| 17:50.03 | slacktyro | valdyn: nothing is happen |
| 17:50.07 | slacktyro | it's stopped there |
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| 17:50.10 | slacktyro | trying.... |
| 17:50.38 | kill4killin | ew someone spilled what looks like strawberry jam in my keyboard by my q key |
| 17:50.41 | JordiGH | Argh. I wish it were possible to grep the web for arbitrary strings instead of just the words that Google allows. :-/ |
| 17:50.46 | dn4 | Feel Good Cars with Eestor Technologies |
| 17:51.00 | valdyn | JordiGH: which words does google not allow? |
| 17:51.05 | dn4 | Lets get a Feel Good Car with Eestor TEchnologies and install Debian into the car system |
| 17:51.05 | JordiGH | $$ \[ |
| 17:51.08 | JordiGH | \] |
| 17:51.09 | dn4 | that would be schaweet |
| 17:51.26 | slacktyro | valdyn: where is modprobe.conf in debian? |
| 17:51.29 | JordiGH | valdyn: LaTeX commands. :-/ |
| 17:51.38 | valdyn | slacktyro: dont touch that file |
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| 17:52.39 | eipihipl | hey, how do i replace ".fluxbox/" with "" from a file? (sed) ? |
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| 17:53.26 | Hagbarddenstore | Hey all! |
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| 17:53.48 | slacktyro | valdyn i found at google someone with the same problem and i'll try to add the same lines here |
| 17:54.13 | Hagbarddenstore | Are there a any good easy guides to make network work and choose wich NIC that should be used for Internet and wich should be used for LAn ? |
| 17:54.32 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just enabled Composite in Xorg, but don't know what the next step is in order to get transparency enabled in Gnome. Can someone help me ? |
| 17:54.48 | petemc | eipihipl: :%s#.fluxbox##g |
| 17:54.52 | tarzeau | Hagbarddenstore: /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 17:54.57 | petemc | eipihipl: in vim.. |
| 17:54.58 | tarzeau | Hagbarddenstore: and some books about tcp/ip networking? |
| 17:55.01 | Hagbarddenstore | Jemt, Don't you follow some sort of guide? |
| 17:55.06 | tarzeau | Hagbarddenstore: maybe also shorewall or iptables |
| 17:55.17 | Hagbarddenstore | tarzeau, Wait wait. I |
| 17:55.22 | Jemt | Hagbarddenstore: Yes, but it only included instructions for KDE |
| 17:55.40 | pipeline | fasta: When windows stops, only kernel drivers continue to work. |
| 17:55.42 | Hagbarddenstore | For the moment I just wanna get internet on the Debian PC so I can apt-get some stuff. |
| 17:56.24 | slacktyro | ? |
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| 17:56.30 | jair | Guys I would liek to know "Why is not recommended log in as root on Linux? |
| 17:56.47 | tarzeau | jair: says who? |
| 17:56.50 | Hagbarddenstore | jair, Cause you could seriously hurt the system. |
| 17:56.53 | jair | Guys I would like to know "Why is not recommended log in as root on Linux"? |
| 17:57.01 | petemc | jair: too easy to make a mistake, and the os wont try to stop or warn you |
| 17:57.06 | tarzeau | Hagbarddenstore: so it's not recommended to use knifes? |
| 17:57.08 | jair | Hagbarddenstore: that is not a good answer |
| 17:57.09 | Jemt | Oh, I need two programs to control the transparency (Composite) - xcompmgr and Transset - but it's not available in Repositories :-/ |
| 17:57.10 | tarzeau | knives even |
| 17:57.11 | blondie | jair: if you're going to repeat the question, try a little harder with your grammar |
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| 17:57.23 | jair | blondie: haha |
| 17:57.34 | Hagbarddenstore | Jemt, Add another repo that has it then? |
| 17:57.42 | blondie | jair: and your question should be aimed at #ubuntu not here |
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| 17:57.52 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:57.52 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:57.56 | jair | blondie: why nit here? |
| 17:57.59 | blackelf | hello |
| 17:58.07 | blackelf | so is there a good hardened debian? |
| 17:58.12 | Jemt | Hagbarddenstore: I got both main, contrib and non-free |
| 17:58.14 | tarzeau | blackelf: !harden-doc |
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| 17:58.23 | tarzeau | Jemt: you can't count |
| 17:58.27 | blackelf | !harden-doc |
| 17:58.27 | dpkg | harden-doc is, like, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 17:58.31 | jair | Hagbarddenstore: I would like to know a place where explain why it is not recommended to log in as root on the systems? |
| 17:58.35 | Hagbarddenstore | jair, Cause Debian is more for servers and/or stable systems and Ubuntu is for newer stuff. |
| 17:58.35 | Jemt | tarzeau: ? |
| 17:58.37 | blackelf | tarzeau: thanks. how good is it? |
| 17:58.45 | tarzeau | blackelf: as good as you make it |
| 17:58.47 | blondie | jair: because debian doesn't say "don't use root", but ubuntu does |
| 17:58.51 | slacktyro | where is the modprobe.conf at Debian? |
| 17:58.56 | tarzeau | slacktyro: in /etc ? |
| 17:59.00 | Hagbarddenstore | Uhm... Last was for Jemt |
| 17:59.06 | petemc | blondie: its a sound idea |
| 17:59.12 | tarzeau | Jemt: that's three |
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| 17:59.20 | luke-jr_work | bpo's iptables it too old :( |
| 17:59.23 | luke-jr_work | is* |
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| 17:59.27 | blondie | petemc: I don't login as root, but it shouldn't be disabled |
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| 17:59.40 | jair | blondie: I am just trying to prepare a docunmntation for the users on my server debian sarge stable, and I heard that root access instead user then switch should be the best practice? |
| 17:59.57 | petemc | its easily enabled, but i dont care enough either way to discuss it much |
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| 18:00.00 | slacktyro | tarzeau: i didn't find it |
| 18:00.05 | blondie | jair: I don't see why your users need to know about root |
| 18:00.14 | tarzeau | slacktyro: the one to set the modules that get loaded on boot? |
| 18:00.14 | slacktyro | in slack it used to be there, but i'm not finding it here |
| 18:00.17 | Jemt | Hagbarddenstore: I've been using Ubuntu for a year. Switched to Debian a few months ago because of the major bugs in the recent release. Ubuntu is great - but it is always a month or two delayed, and totally bugger for a month or two after release - I can't work with that kind of systems |
| 18:00.18 | tarzeau | slacktyro: it's /etc/modules |
| 18:00.20 | jair | because if an administrator log in as user, then switch to root, it will be the same as log in as root correct? |
| 18:00.20 | kill4killin | I dont normally do this, but I almost fell out of my chair reading this one |
| 18:00.21 | kill4killin | http://bash.org/?696187 |
| 18:00.31 | luke-jr_work | so where do I go to get iptables 1.3.5 for Debian stable? |
| 18:00.37 | kill4killin | and on that note i leave |
| 18:00.51 | Hagbarddenstore | Jemt, You shouldn't use XGL/Compiz then. |
| 18:00.59 | Jemt | Hagbarddenstore: I'm not.. |
| 18:01.08 | slacktyro | omg, debian is getting me crazy |
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| 18:01.15 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: http://packages.debian.org/iptables |
| 18:01.15 | jair | blondie: this is a development / test machine and all the people accessing will be administrators, but we want to know if access as root or as user then switch to root have any difference? |
| 18:01.20 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: if it's not there try !bpo |
| 18:01.29 | tarzeau | kill4killin: it wasn't even remotely debian related |
| 18:01.33 | luke-jr_work | tarzeau: bpo's is too old too |
| 18:01.33 | blondie | jair: difference in terms of what? I would recommend the latter |
| 18:01.39 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: make your own bpo? |
| 18:01.47 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: i've got a script, let me see |
| 18:01.56 | blondie | jair: the only time you need/should use root directly is when the machine is fubar |
| 18:02.00 | blondie | imo |
| 18:02.01 | luke-jr_work | tarzeau: I don't want to install a compiler :\ |
| 18:02.15 | slacktyro | tarzeau: i had to add a line at modprobe.conf, in debian how can i do that? |
| 18:02.16 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/abp/ |
| 18:02.18 | zethreth | Let say that I'm paranoid that someone was able to hack my system and set up shop somewhere and I wanted to rebuild my system with the same packages again starting fresh, what would be the best way to do this. Can I save the apt installed list and then use it when installing fresh ? I have a mix of stable and testing... Any idea's would be appreciated |
| 18:02.23 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: is that my problem? you want to hire me? |
| 18:02.23 | luke-jr_work | jair: never use root except via sudo |
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| 18:02.34 | tarzeau | slacktyro: what do you really want to do? |
| 18:02.57 | slacktyro | i'm not able to enter in some pages because of a error |
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| 18:03.13 | slacktyro | so i found at google some one with the same problem, that solved with adding a line at modprobe |
| 18:03.24 | tarzeau | slacktyro: what pages? what hardware? |
| 18:03.32 | tarzeau | slacktyro: why not /etc/modules ? |
| 18:03.43 | slacktyro | www.falconryquestions.co.uk |
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| 18:03.57 | tarzeau | slacktyro: you mean your network card? |
| 18:04.03 | tarzeau | slacktyro: an isa or pci one? which one exactly? |
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| 18:04.50 | slacktyro | tarzeau: no my friend, i'm not able to acess this page, the other are ok |
| 18:05.01 | tarzeau | slacktyro: how is that related to linux kernel modules? |
| 18:05.23 | blackelf | tarzeau: no |
| 18:05.28 | blackelf | I ment a grsecuity debian |
| 18:05.41 | blackelf | with all packages builded with -fPIC and smack stacking protection |
| 18:05.53 | blackelf | I will build grsec kernel and gradm by hand but I need the packages |
| 18:05.53 | slacktyro | they add "alias net-pf-10 off" at the end of modprobe.conf and it's working |
| 18:06.04 | tarzeau | blackelf: you can do that yourself |
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| 18:06.13 | blackelf | or should I use stable debian and apt-get sources -b all packages? |
| 18:06.13 | jair | luke-jr_work: Tell me the reason why?? you are not telling me a logic reason?? |
| 18:06.15 | tarzeau | blackelf: but don't expect people to generally help you |
| 18:06.23 | blackelf | tarzeau: why? |
| 18:06.25 | tarzeau | blackelf: use stable or sid |
| 18:06.31 | tarzeau | blackelf: because hardly anyone uses it? |
| 18:06.35 | blackelf | ok I can use stgable, but how to gt all with -fPIC |
| 18:06.37 | jair | blondie: it sound like you just heard from people "Do not log in as root" but you did not investigate the resons. |
| 18:06.38 | aRteR | bana yardýmcý olabilecek turk arkadaþ var mý acab ? |
| 18:06.41 | tarzeau | slacktyro: which network card? |
| 18:06.48 | Hagbarddenstore | What command can I use to check what NIC the eth0/1 is on and if it's connected to a cable. |
| 18:06.48 | blackelf | tarzeau: so what should I use for hardened grsecurity linux? |
| 18:06.48 | JordiGH | Whoa, who said that Ubuntu is for newer stuff? Newer stuff is *precisely* the reason why I still prefer Debian over Ubuntu. |
| 18:06.52 | jair | I am trying to find the reasons why, so I can explai to others |
| 18:06.52 | tarzeau | aRteR: #debian.tr |
| 18:06.56 | jair | explain |
| 18:07.04 | blackelf | tarzeau: gentoo repozitroeis suck - no proxy, no signing, no stable branches |
| 18:07.05 | aRteR | thanks |
| 18:07.11 | tarzeau | blackelf: #Gentoo |
| 18:07.24 | blackelf | tarzeau: as I said is tucks for the reasons above :( |
| 18:07.27 | blackelf | *s |
| 18:07.28 | tarzeau | jair: you can read this up in google |
| 18:07.35 | kill4killin | tarzeau i know, like i said, i normally dont do that |
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| 18:07.41 | jair | tarzeau: where? |
| 18:07.52 | blondie | jair: bullshit |
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| 18:07.57 | jair | tarzeau: do you found a link? |
| 18:08.08 | kps | any idea how to get fonts to work again in unstable? |
| 18:08.10 | jair | blondie: please say "BS" ;) |
| 18:08.12 | blondie | jair: anyway ##security |
| 18:08.13 | slacktyro | tarzeau: Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] |
| 18:08.16 | tarzeau | jair: wait, nobody in here says login in as root is bad |
| 18:08.17 | blondie | jair: no |
| 18:08.27 | jair | ohhhh |
| 18:08.27 | kps | currently they don't display at all times |
| 18:08.28 | jair | ok |
| 18:08.29 | tarzeau | jair: why should anyone explain you it's bad, when it isn't? |
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| 18:08.38 | JordiGH | jair: I skimmed the log. If someone hasn't answered yet, the only reason to use su instead of logging in as root is for the purposes of the system logs. If you use su, then you will know who did what by examining the logs, while you won't know who used the root account. |
| 18:08.39 | tarzeau | slacktyro: ahhh i also have that one :) |
| 18:08.43 | tarzeau | slacktyro: which kernel exactly? |
| 18:08.47 | Hagbarddenstore | Did a netinstall. Is there a tool to autoconfig a network interface? SP it will get the correct IP and such sent by the DHCP server` |
| 18:08.49 | Hagbarddenstore | ? |
| 18:08.54 | tarzeau | slacktyro: try the etch installer |
| 18:08.55 | jair | now tarzeau is getting things clear ;) |
| 18:09.12 | slacktyro | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 18:09.53 | jair | JordiGH: YOU are the intelligent and kind user to answer a very good reason why :) |
| 18:10.07 | jair | thank you very much, any other reason anyone? |
| 18:10.17 | futex | hello |
| 18:10.33 | tarzeau | jair: with a hammer everything looks like a nail? |
| 18:10.38 | slacktyro | tarzeau: i need to go now, thank you for the help |
| 18:10.42 | jair | I just want everybody knows that, we need to be educated in what we use, in order to help others and explain well. |
| 18:10.46 | tarzeau | slacktyro: you're welcome, try etch! |
| 18:10.51 | jair | tarzeau: Thank you |
| 18:10.55 | slacktyro | what is etch? |
| 18:11.00 | tarzeau | !etch |
| 18:11.00 | dpkg | it has been said that etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 18:11.05 | tarzeau | slacktyro: the last url, download it |
| 18:11.12 | futex | anyone can know how can i supervise write entry in a file? |
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| 18:11.26 | slacktyro | ohhhhhh ok |
| 18:11.28 | slacktyro | ty |
| 18:11.30 | slacktyro | bye |
| 18:11.31 | futex | and when a file is wrote i have an alert? |
| 18:11.43 | JordiGH | By the way, I thought etch was scheduled for December, but I recently browsed the Debian webpage, and found nothing about that. :-/ |
| 18:11.47 | tarzeau | futex: which file? |
| 18:12.10 | dendrite | jair: It's not a good idea to use root if you don't need to. That *may* be what someone told you was bad about logging in as root. |
| 18:12.22 | tarzeau | JordiGH: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
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| 18:12.30 | futex | /var/log/ulog/syslogem.log tarzeau |
| 18:12.42 | DaveLib | hello i am running sarge i have just been setting up a qemu virtual machine in the sarge host to run etch in qemu |
| 18:12.44 | tarzeau | futex: and you have other users be root on that system? |
| 18:12.51 | tarzeau | futex: you could use tail -f on it? |
| 18:12.56 | futex | yes |
| 18:13.00 | futex | 3 users |
| 18:13.02 | tarzeau | futex: there are tools for what you want, try apt-cache search for it |
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| 18:13.23 | futex | not tail |
| 18:13.32 | JordiGH | tarzeau: "releases when it is time." Buzz on slashdot and in this very channel was December. I guess that's no longer true? :-/ |
| 18:13.45 | tarzeau | JordiGH: yes it's still december 4, 2006 |
| 18:13.46 | Hagbarddenstore | Is there a command to get things needed from a DHCP server? |
| 18:13.46 | DaveLib | in the qemu virtual machine i did a sarge netinstall and then dist-upgraded it to etch so far that has worked |
| 18:13.51 | tarzeau | JordiGH: check the mailing lists for it |
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| 18:13.59 | futex | i whant when this file i write, a process detect the write and lauch an over script |
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| 18:14.05 | tarzeau | JordiGH: the freeze should happen soon, bug squashing parties are happening |
| 18:14.06 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Is the page you pointed me to outdated, then? |
| 18:14.14 | tarzeau | JordiGH: no it's not, but it's not complete |
| 18:14.21 | DaveLib | in that et ch i have been trying to ad |
| 18:14.21 | futex | is it possible wich tail??? |
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| 18:14.26 | tarzeau | futex: yes search that with apt-cache search |
| 18:14.30 | tarzeau | futex: no, tail can't do it |
| 18:14.51 | futex | fam can do it? |
| 18:14.58 | tarzeau | futex: maybe, i never needed that |
| 18:15.07 | tarzeau | futex: even a shell one liner could do it |
| 18:15.08 | jair | dendrite: please read what JordiGH said and learn and spread the "Logic and good" reason why the administrators should log in a user then"su" to root. |
| 18:15.10 | roe_ | anythoughts on how install a system on a rad10 mdadm array when the debian installer doesn't give it has an option? |
| 18:15.14 | JordiGH | Next time we get these harbingers of doom about how Debian is dying, I'm gonna tell them to subscribe to debian-devel and hope that their mail clients can handle the volume. ;-) |
| 18:15.16 | tarzeau | futex: matter of how you do/want to do it |
| 18:15.17 | DaveLib | i have been tryi ng to i install xserver-xorg and fvwm-crystal i have been having troubles configuring that |
| 18:15.32 | tarzeau | JordiGH: haha.. trolls, it's weekend |
| 18:15.46 | tarzeau | DaveLib: your space key has a problem? |
| 18:15.51 | JordiGH | !prize me |
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| 18:16.03 | jair | haha |
| 18:16.33 | tarzeau | JordiGH: there's not much software projects as big as debian. |
| 18:16.43 | petemc | jair: having multiple people who can su to root is an awful idea, and guaranteed to cause problems at some point |
| 18:16.43 | tarzeau | JordiGH: there's freebsd. the others have much less people working on it |
| 18:16.53 | jair | hey we should have some kind of boot that ask technical questions once in a while, I saw that ona #channel on other IRC server, but the questions were about history instead Linux ;) |
| 18:17.05 | petemc | jair: use sudo, without the ability to sudo su |
| 18:17.07 | tarzeau | JordiGH: well i didn't find numbers about suse, redhat, gentoo, fedora, microsoft, apple, hp, solaris, openbsd, netbsd |
| 18:17.27 | tarzeau | JordiGH: but certainly the Hurd, or the GNU system is attracting a lot of people |
| 18:17.34 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Ubuntu is probably bigger by users, but not sure about its developers. About 1000 active Debian developers? |
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| 18:17.50 | tarzeau | JordiGH: not according to popcon.ubuntu.com compare it to popcon.debian.org |
| 18:17.53 | jair | petemc: that is whay I am trying to have the people use their accounts and the use "su" to do root administration, because like this as JordiGH said, the logs are registered, and you can still know who did what... |
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| 18:18.00 | tarzeau | JordiGH: according popcon ubuntu is about 12 times smaller |
| 18:18.01 | roe_ | aren't Ubuntu devs subsidised by ubuntu? |
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| 18:18.11 | tarzeau | besides ubuntu has much less developers |
| 18:18.19 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Hm, maybe people just aren't installing the Ubuntu popcon. |
| 18:18.22 | tarzeau | !bugstats |
| 18:18.23 | dpkg | bugstats is probably http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 18:18.34 | tarzeau | JordiGH: it's pretty up to date with debian developers, maintainers |
| 18:18.39 | petemc | jair: that is, like i said, an awful idea |
| 18:18.44 | tarzeau | JordiGH: same applies to the Debian popcon |
| 18:19.06 | jair | petemc: but in a room where you have three administrators you have to have that access tho the three of them. |
| 18:19.16 | tarzeau | JordiGH: and hardly all official debian mirrors have webalizer installed |
| 18:19.18 | DaveLib | i tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it lets me start a session reconfiguring but then it says it wont save because /etc/X11/X has been customized |
| 18:19.27 | tarzeau | (or some form of other public web/ftp access statistics) |
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| 18:19.42 | petemc | jair: you can give them power to do everything they need in an accountable fashion with sudo |
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| 18:20.23 | JordiGH | jair: This is true. Sudo is just as good and probably better than sudo. |
| 18:20.25 | wols | !xorgmd5 |
| 18:20.26 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work, To see if this is the case 'md5sum -c /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum' - if this files differ, then dpkg-reconfigure will not overwrite your existing xorg.conf. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've made |
| 18:20.27 | dendrite | jair: So, I guess you could say "login < su < sudo" |
| 18:20.30 | wols | DaveLib: ^^ |
| 18:21.08 | dendrite | JordiGH: Redirecting? Super r00t!! =) |
| 18:21.08 | DaveLib | thankx wols |
| 18:21.10 | Hoxzer | !mailx |
| 18:21.10 | dpkg | well, mailx is the best damn mail reader ever created, or the sound of someome sneezing |
| 18:21.14 | unstable | I'm putting on a computer festival, what is a simple server side software festival staff can use for organizing vendors. ie which vendors we called, what they said etc etc. and check off if they're coming or not. |
| 18:21.34 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: waste of time sudo -i or sudo -s can do anything you would achieve by doing that |
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| 18:22.02 | jair | I will have to read about "sudo" some day |
| 18:22.03 | EvilDin | hi how to install pico or nano ? |
| 18:22.08 | jair | Thank you guys |
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| 18:22.24 | EdLin | EvilDin: if you don't have nano you're not using Debian |
| 18:22.27 | wols | !tell EvilDin about grounding |
| 18:22.28 | jair | JordiGH: by the way the logs are on the /var/syslog? |
| 18:22.43 | luke-jr_work | tarzeau: how much would it be to hire you? ;p |
| 18:22.44 | jair | I am trying to find those logs and how they look |
| 18:22.55 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: $40/hour remotely |
| 18:22.58 | jair | JordiGH: I always log in as user the use su :) |
| 18:23.01 | JordiGH | jair: auth.log |
| 18:23.05 | jair | ok |
| 18:23.16 | luke-jr_work | tarzeau: how long would it take you to get iptables 1.3.5 backported? |
| 18:23.21 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: if you want me at place, you'll pay flying/driving/sleeping/travel costs too |
| 18:23.23 | blackelf | how can I rebuild and install *all* packages, programs in the system with -fPIC flag (hardened)? or perhaps there is something like tht ready to ue? |
| 18:23.27 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: 20 minutes |
| 18:23.48 | blackelf | tarzeau: perhaps http://www.adamantix.org/ would be a good solution? |
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| 18:24.17 | tarzeau | blackelf: no |
| 18:24.26 | tarzeau | blackelf: well look at it, learn from it |
| 18:24.27 | blackelf | tarzeau: why not? it is going to be a server |
| 18:24.32 | tarzeau | blackelf: but i wouldn't change my system for security |
| 18:24.36 | tarzeau | blackelf: so ? |
| 18:24.41 | h3sp4wn | blackelf: apt-build |
| 18:24.41 | tarzeau | blackelf: i run servers on debian |
| 18:24.42 | blackelf | tarzeau: ... |
| 18:24.46 | tarzeau | blackelf: what will it serve? |
| 18:25.02 | blackelf | tarzeau: I MUST have all packages with -fPIC flag, otherwise the PAX part of grsecuity can't really work |
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| 18:25.12 | blackelf | tarzeau: sftp ftp apache2 svn |
| 18:25.13 | jair | JordiGH: thank you |
| 18:25.29 | tarzeau | blackelf: nice for you, you can do it either yourself or hire someone to do it for you |
| 18:25.56 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: i just looked at it, my auto backport builder doesn't cut it |
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| 18:26.11 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: and msgs like this are not very helping: Something wrong... deleting dependencies. |
| 18:26.20 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: so triple the time, makes one hour |
| 18:26.30 | blackelf | tarzeau: I thought this is what adamantix does |
| 18:26.39 | tarzeau | blackelf: then go use it. i wouldn't |
| 18:26.42 | luke-jr_work | tarzeau: heh, that's why I was considering it XD |
| 18:26.53 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: what country do you live in? |
| 18:27.01 | rhalff | easy question, but how to install packages listed in a file ? apt-get install < package_list.txt won't do it I assume :) |
| 18:27.03 | tarzeau | luke-jr_work: sending money across borders can get expensive quick |
| 18:27.10 | esteel | hi |
| 18:27.16 | tarzeau | rhalff: exactly, but you can do: |
| 18:27.20 | tarzeau | rhalff: apt-get install `cat file` |
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| 18:27.35 | luke-jr_work | tarzeau: US |
| 18:27.41 | rhalff | tarzeau: ah but the file has line breaks, that matters ? |
| 18:27.43 | blackelf | tarzeau: ok. Btw, why you wouldnt use it? |
| 18:27.45 | tarzeau | rhalff: or echo the catted stuff |
| 18:27.48 | tarzeau | rhalff: dunno, try |
| 18:28.01 | tarzeau | blackelf: because i'm not paranoid, really read harden-doc |
| 18:28.09 | tarzeau | blackelf: what does it serve? what if someone breaks in anyways? |
| 18:28.18 | tarzeau | blackelf: what justifies the use of pax,grsecurity? |
| 18:28.21 | blackelf | tarzeau: I will commit suicide, of course |
| 18:28.31 | tarzeau | blackelf: be serious |
| 18:28.35 | blackelf | tarzeau: I want to have absolutelly un-hackable box. |
| 18:28.41 | tarzeau | blackelf: get a life |
| 18:28.44 | tarzeau | blackelf: it's weekend |
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| 18:29.07 | stew | blackelf: if you want an unhackable box, the only real way is to put it in a locked closet with no network connection |
| 18:29.12 | blackelf | forget about security - go win xp |
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| 18:29.35 | dn4 | ULTRA CARS! |
| 18:29.36 | blackelf | stew: I belive grsecurity allows to have unhackable box, if all binaries are prepared to use PAX |
| 18:30.02 | tarzeau | blackelf: ha ha |
| 18:30.02 | stew | blackelf: i don't believe that a networked box is ever unhackable. no way |
| 18:30.13 | rhalff | tarzeau: ok, works, thanks |
| 18:30.17 | eeyore- | stew: until they come out with "network via powerline" |
| 18:30.20 | stew | blackelf: if you are asking how to recompile a package, /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules ; if you are asking how to rebuild ALL of you packages (which is definately not recommended) then /msg dpkg apt-build |
| 18:30.23 | tarzeau | rhalff: simple, isn't it? |
| 18:30.42 | tarzeau | eeyore-: what about walking in and rebooting it? |
| 18:30.45 | rhalff | tarzeau: I thought there was a standard command for it :) |
| 18:30.53 | tarzeau | eeyore-: so many computers don't have a bios password, boot from other devices |
| 18:30.53 | stew | blackelf: you certainly shouldn't be running testing on a machine that you want to be unhackable |
| 18:30.57 | roe_ | does anyone konw how to install debian on a rad10 array? |
| 18:30.58 | tarzeau | nor have a boot manager password |
| 18:31.17 | stew | roe_: you mean linux software raid? or hardware raid? or what? |
| 18:31.17 | tarzeau | stew: true you should be running sid :) |
| 18:31.19 | blackelf | tarzeau, stew: when I succeed in setting up that box (probably early 2007) can I invite you to a small bet? like 1000 usd if you break in and 10 for me if you fail :) Unlimited shell access to box, the root password will have 4 characters, running apache2 |
| 18:31.29 | zamaliphe | i tray to copy some fils but i get this eroor "cp: failed to preserve ownership for" waht that meen ? |
| 18:31.43 | roe_ | stew: linux software, the debian installer only give me the option for a 0.1.5 array |
| 18:31.47 | tarzeau | blackelf: 1000 usd is not enough |
| 18:31.55 | blackelf | stew: of course, I ment stable debian. |
| 18:32.08 | blackelf | stew: I have testing on desktop. and stable for server jsut as you sugested :) |
| 18:32.09 | stew | tarzeau: if the root password has 4 characters, it sure is enough |
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| 18:32.13 | blackelf | stew: btw, how about -q raf256 |
| 18:32.15 | tarzeau | blackelf: you didn't get what happened to debian? |
| 18:32.17 | eeyore- | blackelf: wait, if root password is only 4 characters long, why can't you just sit there and guess the password? |
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| 18:32.29 | blackelf | eeyore-: you can |
| 18:32.33 | tarzeau | eeyore-: 1234 ? |
| 18:32.44 | eeyore- | tarzeau: no way! :-)))))) |
| 18:32.46 | tarzeau | who allows root remote logins? |
| 18:32.51 | eeyore- | tarzeau: i was gonna guess "abcd" |
| 18:32.53 | tarzeau | eeyore-: root ? |
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| 18:32.56 | EdLin | !permasunday |
| 18:32.56 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 18:33.02 | tarzeau | eeyore-: username=password |
| 18:33.18 | blackelf | tarzeau: ssh login, but you can su and quess password or run own program for user->root exploit. So, any interest in a bet? I can't afford more then 1000 usd for now. |
| 18:33.18 | stew | blackelf: why do you care about raf256? |
| 18:33.23 | stew | blackelf: oh, are you raf256? |
| 18:33.25 | Bombo | hi |
| 18:33.28 | kapowaz | I'm trying to install an IMAP server but dpkg is giving me this error: hostname: Unknown host |
| 18:33.30 | tarzeau | blackelf: yes |
| 18:33.32 | kapowaz | any ideas why it would say that? |
| 18:33.35 | blackelf | stew: because it is more comfortable writting from desktop then from laptop? |
| 18:33.45 | blackelf | tarzeau: cool, I will inform you probably in early 2007 :) |
| 18:33.52 | tarzeau | blackelf: great, gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
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| 18:34.02 | wols | blackelf: and how long do you give him (timewise) to do the hacking? |
| 18:34.14 | tarzeau | wols: the whole year |
| 18:34.25 | h3sp4wn | blackelf: Do you have a root filesystem that is write protected (by hardware on the disk)? |
| 18:34.26 | eeyore- | tarzeau: oh come on now ... 1 whole year? |
| 18:34.27 | tarzeau | wols: as long as stable is stable |
| 18:34.29 | blackelf | tarzeau: of course I reserve right to still think about opening that bet at all, during the months frew months, but I hope I will strt such competiton |
| 18:34.35 | tarzeau | eeyore-: sure, i don't want to pay usd 10 |
| 18:34.36 | wols | hm... 128!4 = easy money for tarzeau |
| 18:34.48 | blackelf | h3sp4wn: root fs is not protected by hardware |
| 18:34.51 | sepski | kapowaz, and the tiny detail of what debian you use and what imap server you are trying to install is just nitpicking details ? |
| 18:35.02 | blackelf | h3sp4wn: but it will be higly customized linux, probably based on debian |
| 18:35.05 | kapowaz | sepski: sure - sarge, uw-imapd was what I was trying to install |
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| 18:35.17 | tarzeau | blackelf: all hail linux! |
| 18:35.24 | EdLin | blackelf: if it takes you until 2007 to harden Debian, I think tarzeau will definitely win the bet |
| 18:35.24 | blackelf | tarzeau: heh :) |
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| 18:35.34 | blackelf | EdLin: then good for him |
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| 18:35.40 | tarzeau | blackelf: really it's just a kernel, and not one of the best |
| 18:35.41 | eeyore- | wanna hack into my gentoo boxes? :-) |
| 18:35.43 | eeyore- | (ahem) |
| 18:35.48 | tarzeau | eeyore-: you'll pay how much? |
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| 18:35.53 | wols | kapowaz: do yourself a favour and use dovecot or courier or even cyrus |
| 18:36.03 | kapowaz | wols: okay... which? |
| 18:36.04 | eeyore- | i was kidding! :-) wait until i have non-work boxes |
| 18:36.11 | tarzeau | eeyore-: what's the ip? |
| 18:36.12 | kapowaz | that's three choices |
| 18:36.14 | eeyore- | actually, wait. my dmz boxes are debian |
| 18:36.14 | Bombo | i did a dist-upgrade from woody to etch, then compiled a new kernel 2.6.17 (old kernel was 2.4.20) booted it, and i can't load modules. when i do lsmod or depmod -a or modprobe i get this error: "depmod: QM_MODULES: function not implemented" how do i fix that? did i compile the kernel with a wrong option(s)? |
| 18:36.17 | blackelf | eeyore-: bsd? linux? |
| 18:36.18 | kapowaz | and I don't know the relative merits of any |
| 18:36.23 | wols | kapowaz: and for the hostname thing: run "hostname" |
| 18:36.29 | tarzeau | blackelf: there's more than just bsd and linux |
| 18:36.30 | valdyn | !qm_modules |
| 18:36.30 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or if you are using woody you must upgrade to sarge to use a 2.6 kernel, ask me about woody->sarge |
| 18:36.49 | wols | kapowaz: dovecot or courier then, whatever you like more. but you should use maildir, not mbox |
| 18:36.51 | valdyn | Bombo: ^^^ |
| 18:37.14 | blackelf | tarzeau: what is belived to best aboutr security? |
| 18:37.34 | h3sp4wn | blackelf: I built an insanely hardened freebsd box once - only way to change anything on / was to open it up and unflick the switch (isp server with all the passwords on it (which were in turn gpg encrypted) - completely unnecessary for most purposes though (as it makes using the machine so much more of a pain) |
| 18:37.39 | EdLin | tarzeau: the fact is, all openbsd hype to the contrary, Unix does not have the tightest security model in the industry. It's a heck of a lot better than Windows though. :-) |
| 18:37.39 | wols | blackelf: ask the NSA or the army, seriously |
| 18:37.40 | tarzeau | blackelf: i have a nice quote on it... wait |
| 18:37.47 | kapowaz | wols: I run hostname and get the name of my box ('sequoia') |
| 18:37.54 | blackelf | h3sp4wn: well it was at least cool it seems :) |
| 18:37.56 | eeyore- | what's that thing in /. about kernel vulnerability allowing users to insert arbitrary stuff in kernel via module loading? |
| 18:37.57 | tarzeau | EdLin: true, but there's more than just unix and windows :) |
| 18:38.02 | eeyore- | didn't quite read that article |
| 18:38.06 | d0uglas | i got an ati radeon, want to use opengl ware, so i installed xserver-xorg-video-ati and the fglrx packages. when i do a glxinfo, it lists a bunch of stuff including a lot of lines labeled None or Slow, none okay (for example 0x32 24 dc 0 32 0 r + + 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 16 16 16 16 1 0 Slow. Should I have glx enabled on dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? and do i do anything with the xserver-xorg-video-ati package after it's installed? thanks |
| 18:38.22 | blackelf | anyway, how can I rebuild all the packages with -fPIC? |
| 18:38.28 | blackelf | all installed |
| 18:38.53 | eeyore- | h3sp4wn: why can't you build one now with flash memory, and write protect the flash? |
| 18:39.06 | valdyn | d0uglas: fglrx and those -ati packages are 2 different independent drivers, they're not related |
| 18:39.15 | stew | blackelf: if you are asking how to recompile a package, /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules ; if you are asking how to rebuild ALL of you packages (which is definately not recommended) then /msg dpkg apt-build |
| 18:39.16 | blackelf | eeyore-: h3sp4wn the secure box I want to create will run on normal PC hardware |
| 18:39.18 | wols | d0uglas: what ati chip/card do you have? |
| 18:39.23 | valdyn | d0uglas: they just incidentally drive a similar list of cards |
| 18:39.28 | Bombo | valdyn: ah! thx ;) |
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| 18:39.50 | blackelf | stew: why this is not reccomended? some packages can fail to build? (the issue of passing -fPIC flag aside for now) |
| 18:39.55 | h3sp4wn | eeyore-: Maybe I could, But it is completely unnecessary for what I need at the moment |
| 18:40.12 | h3sp4wn | eeyore-: (this was a good 5 years ago I did it) |
| 18:40.14 | d0uglas | just a sec.. |
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| 18:40.44 | wols | d0uglas: radeon can only use DX8 capable cards max in 3D. and not as good as fglrx drivers either |
| 18:40.52 | stew | blackelf: becuase it is a waste of time |
| 18:41.37 | EdLin | stew: he says hardening his server will be done by early 2007, I suspect time is something he has a lot of. ;-) |
| 18:41.49 | d0uglas | i've got the Radeon Mobility U1 aka the IGP 320M (laptop) |
| 18:41.56 | blackelf | stew: can I otherwise achive my goal "Use PAX system on the server" ? |
| 18:42.02 | wols | d0uglas: ok that's supported |
| 18:42.09 | blackelf | stew: PAX needs binaries to be builded with -fPIC |
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| 18:42.34 | blackelf | as far as I know |
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| 18:43.00 | d0uglas | wols: i went in modconf and activated everything looking related to ati/radeon/*gl* |
| 18:43.17 | d0uglas | in addition to turning on glx when i reconfigged xserver |
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| 18:44.45 | iturk | hi there using chmod which options lead to give permissions of execution of a file ?? |
| 18:44.50 | vin` | d0uglas: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:45.00 | d0uglas | vin`: what should I look for? |
| 18:45.17 | vin` | anything about radeon? |
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| 18:45.55 | valdyn | looks to me like many of pax 'features' are already in mainline.. |
| 18:46.06 | Bombo | i got another problem: i did: apt-get install aptitude and the error is The following packages have unmet dependencies: aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12) but 1:3.4.3-13sarge1 is to be installed |
| 18:46.33 | Bombo | and two more packets libsigc++-2.0-0c2a and libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12) |
| 18:48.16 | valdyn | Bombo: you tried to upgrade woody to what? |
| 18:48.39 | Bombo | valdyn: etch |
| 18:48.50 | valdyn | Bombo: thats not supported |
| 18:48.53 | Bombo | valdyn: through sarge ;) |
| 18:48.58 | valdyn | Bombo: upgrade woody to sarge first |
| 18:49.06 | Bombo | yep i did that |
| 18:49.08 | wols | blackelf: install aptitude and gcc-4.1 with the same apt-get call |
| 18:49.11 | iturk | Bombo: your problem is that you have in your cache the 1:3.4.3-13sarge1 version of libgcc1 but the aptitude requires >= to 1:4.1.1-12 |
| 18:49.13 | wols | Bombo: |
| 18:49.26 | vin` | d0uglas: in xorg.conf, is it ati or radeon? radeon is what you want, xorg used to give me reasonable 3D (IGP340). |
| 18:49.42 | valdyn | Bombo: which apt-get commands did you run sucessfulyl after upgrading to sarge? |
| 18:49.43 | Bombo | iturk: hmmmkay |
| 18:50.24 | blackelf | wols: say again? |
| 18:50.24 | stew | vin`: that shouldnt' matter, if you specify ati and have a radeon, it will be auto-detected. the only difference should be a slightly longer startup time |
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| 18:51.04 | vin` | stew: ok. |
| 18:51.10 | stew | vin`: although we had one person in here recently that had to specify radeon becuase the driver wasn't switching automatically, not resulting in a performance degradation but resulting in "no device detected" |
| 18:51.18 | Bombo | valdyn: dist-upgrade |
| 18:51.22 | stelki | Hello. Anybody tried using debian as server for a gentoo distcc? The gentoo people shoo'd me away :| |
| 18:51.40 | valdyn | Bombo: ok, no apt-get update ? |
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| 18:51.43 | myren | i will fucking MURDER cygwin |
| 18:51.43 | ChaosR | can someone tell me why teamspeak won't work |
| 18:51.54 | myren | kunt installer keeps crashing |
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| 18:52.06 | myren | ChaosR: cause its an antiquated piece of shit on legacy technology. |
| 18:52.11 | myren | ala oss |
| 18:52.24 | Bombo | valdyn: oh yes sure i did that, after putting "etch" instead of "sarge" in the sources.lst |
| 18:52.31 | ChaosR | myren: tell my friends that |
| 18:52.38 | EdLin | tarzeau: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XTS-400 |
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| 18:53.05 | valdyn | Bombo: run 'apt-get dist-upgrade', tell us if there's any held back packages |
| 18:53.14 | draghoulix | myren, can you tell me about an alternative for teamspeak, I will gladly use it |
| 18:53.17 | ChaosR | can someone help me? |
| 18:53.27 | Bombo | i still got some *sarge* packages in dpkg -l |
| 18:53.32 | d0uglas | vin`: there's a million ati/radeon related things in the Xorg log, trying to figure out the relevant ones.. in the xorg.conf, the Identifier is "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon Mobility U1", the Driver is "ati". The Section "Screen" part lists Device "ATI Tech ... Radeon mobility U1" |
| 18:53.33 | myren | we dont know your fucking problem |
| 18:53.39 | valdyn | Bombo: that is not necessarily an issue |
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| 18:53.43 | myren | "doesnt work" is not a technically useful description |
| 18:53.56 | valdyn | Bombo: run what i told you.. |
| 18:54.00 | ChaosR | myren: does not connect to any server |
| 18:54.06 | vin` | d0uglas: try changing the driver to radeon. |
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| 18:54.12 | pumpkin0 | d0uglas: upload the config somewhere. |
| 18:55.04 | Bombo | The following packages have been kept back: apt bitchx dselect g++ gcc gengetopt groff-base html2text libapt-pkg-perl libfam0c102 libgd2-noxpm libming-util nmap rar sp telnet unrar w3m |
| 18:55.09 | Bombo | hmm |
| 18:55.26 | valdyn | Bombo: so you dist-upgrade is not complete |
| 18:55.28 | wols | Bombo: why aren't you dist-upgrading when you want to run etch anyways? |
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| 18:55.51 | valdyn | Bombo: maybe because you didnt upgrade as you should from the start ( with aptitude ) but that does not matter now |
| 18:55.58 | valdyn | Bombo: run 'apt-get install libgcc1 |
| 18:56.00 | valdyn | Bombo: run 'apt-get install libgcc1' |
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| 18:56.54 | Bombo | wols: i did run dist upgrade, from woody to sarge, then to etch |
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| 18:57.01 | ChaosR | can anyone tell me why teamspeak won't connect to any server, plz???? |
| 18:57.10 | ChaosR | or help me solve the problem |
| 18:57.11 | Bombo | valdyn: indeed i didnt use aptitude, but apt-get |
| 18:57.19 | Ronin | ChaosR: tried a teamspeak specific channel? teamspeak forum? |
| 18:57.54 | valdyn | Bombo: basically apt-get has to remove some packages, but it cannot tell which ones, you have to 'force' it to act, so run above command.. |
| 18:57.58 | Bombo | $ apt-get install libgcc1; libgcc1 is already the newest version. |
| 18:58.14 | ChaosR | Ronin: this problem is not teamspeak' s fault, but debian's |
| 18:58.25 | Bombo | $ dpkg -l|grep libgcc1 |
| 18:58.25 | Bombo | ii libgcc1 3.4.3-13sarge1 GCC support library |
| 18:58.28 | valdyn | Bombo: dpkg -l libgcc1 |
| 18:58.34 | Bombo | ;) |
| 18:58.35 | ChaosR | Ronin: most likely |
| 18:58.38 | valdyn | !info libgcc1 etch |
| 18:58.43 | valdyn | Bombo: hold on |
| 18:58.46 | Ronin | are you sure? odd youre the only one is what im thinking |
| 18:58.48 | dpkg | libgcc1: (GCC support library), section libs, is required. Version: 1:4.1.1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 18:58.51 | eldowan | Debian etch, ~/.xsession-errors reports 28GB of lines like "error 183 request 157 minor 14 serial -999303654". How can I trouble shoot this? |
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| 18:59.08 | valdyn | Bombo: try 'apt-get -t etch install libgcc1' |
| 18:59.34 | Bombo | valdyn: libgcc1 is already the newest version. |
| 18:59.41 | wols | Bombo: apt-get install gcc-4.1 |
| 18:59.58 | valdyn | Bombo: ok, your sources.list appears to not contain etch |
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| 19:00.07 | valdyn | Bombo: show us your /etc/apt/sources.list , do not paste here |
| 19:00.27 | knoxy | What file contents domain name defined in system instalation? |
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| 19:00.44 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 19:00.44 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 19:01.12 | knoxy | valdyn, thanks |
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| 19:01.21 | draghoulix | myren, can you tell me about a good teamspeak-like thing thats not "A piece of crap running on legacy code" :) |
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| 19:01.51 | Hoxzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.12 | dn4 | anyone know how ot extract a .pak file? |
| 19:02.22 | wols | dn4: unzip |
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| 19:02.36 | Bombo | val: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3964 |
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| 19:03.12 | wols | Bombo: apt-cache policy libgcc1 |
| 19:03.23 | Bombo | wols: $ apt-get install gcc-4.1 gcc-4.1: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-13) but 1:3.4.3-13sarge1 is to be installed |
| 19:03.24 | wols | does 4.1.1 show? is it highest priority? |
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| 19:03.59 | valdyn | Bombo: run 'apt-get update', tell us if it gives an error at all |
| 19:03.59 | Bombo | wols: *** 1:3.4.3-13sarge1 0 |
| 19:03.59 | Bombo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.12 | wols | Bombo: is that the only one listed? |
| 19:04.13 | Bombo | probably the proposed-updates ? |
| 19:04.27 | Bombo | should i remove the proposed-updates line from sources.list? |
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| 19:04.43 | valdyn | Bombo: you dont need that line, but that line isnt your error |
| 19:04.57 | Bombo | wols: no: 1:4.1.1-13 0 400 http://ftp2.de.debian.org etch/main Packages |
| 19:05.31 | valdyn | Bombo: so you didnt run 'apt-get -t etch install libgcc1' as I told you |
| 19:05.38 | wols | valdyn: could it be that it uses sarge by default? |
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| 19:05.44 | dn4 | wols, it is a .pak file not .zip |
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| 19:05.55 | valdyn | wols: sure, i asked him to use -t |
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| 19:06.11 | wols | dn4: what do file extensions matter again. run "file pakfile.pak" |
| 19:06.13 | Bombo | valdyn: i have |
| 19:06.33 | Bombo | 21:01 <valdyn> Bombo: try 'apt-get -t etch install libgcc1' |
| 19:06.33 | Bombo | 21:01 <Bombo> valdyn: libgcc1 is already the newest version. |
| 19:06.36 | valdyn | Bombo: romove that first line in your sources.list file |
| 19:06.38 | wols | Bombo: comment out all sarge and woody entries. apt-get update; apt-get install gcc-4.1 |
| 19:06.40 | dn4 | higher.pak: Quake I or II world or extension |
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| 19:07.06 | Bombo | wols: they are already commented out |
| 19:07.56 | Bombo | update is still running... |
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| 19:08.06 | wols | Bombo: that cannot be since your apt-cache policy shows sarge packages |
| 19:09.10 | Bombo | ok update again without proposed-updates |
| 19:09.28 | Bombo | i see only etch/* lines |
| 19:09.57 | valdyn | Bombo: apt-get dist-upgrade might already get the held back packages now.. try |
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| 19:10.48 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 19:10.51 | dn4 | wols, so how do I extract the file? |
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| 19:11.03 | Bombo | 42 upgraded, 13 newly installed, 1 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 19:11.03 | Bombo | Need to get 21.6MB of archives. |
| 19:11.09 | Bombo | ok running.. |
| 19:11.09 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem with kde: root password is not accepted in administrator mode for control panel :( |
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| 19:11.20 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem with kde: root password is not accepted in administrator mode for control center :( |
| 19:11.28 | valdyn | !i forgot roots password |
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| 19:11.33 | wols | dn4: if you really tried unzip and it doesn't work, google for "linux pak extract" or such |
| 19:11.51 | valdyn | !i forgot root;s password |
| 19:11.51 | valdyn | !listkeys root |
| 19:11.51 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'root' by key (15 of 127): #debian run as root ;; _default chroot ;; _default root-tail ;; _default running as root ;; be root barbie ;; chrooted base ;; fakeroot xfs ;; groot ;; non-root ;; root explain ;; rooting ;; set suid root ;; tell him root ;; toms root boot ;; xsetroot. |
| 19:12.11 | vin` | !i forgot root's password |
| 19:12.11 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
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| 19:16.26 | itchi | Duo core computers, are these good supported with Debian (testing)? Need i take care of somethings? |
| 19:16.26 | FernandoMM | Is there a software that can monitor a directory in order to run a command (my command) whenever a file is created, deleted or writed? |
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| 19:18.45 | wols | FernandoMM: famd I think |
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| 19:19.40 | Barnes | itchi i think you need to add smp support in kernel |
| 19:19.43 | wols | itchi: the CDROM (PATA) might make trouble |
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| 19:19.50 | helo | for some reason i'm getting abysmal transfer rates to this new high speed usb 2.0 thumb drive |
| 19:19.59 | helo | like... 400KB/sec |
| 19:20.08 | wols | itchi: you need to install a SMP kernel after installing etch |
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| 19:20.14 | wols | helo: what USB driver? |
| 19:20.17 | FernandoMM | wols: thanks, will take a look |
| 19:20.25 | helo | i see it detected as a high speed usb storage device in dmesg |
| 19:20.29 | wols | helo: sounds like you use a usb1.1 one |
| 19:20.56 | helo | maybe usb-storage: device found at 6? |
| 19:21.17 | helo | wols: the package says high-speed usb 2.0, as does the output from dmesg |
| 19:21.36 | itchi | wols: So need i load an special module while the install runs? |
| 19:21.52 | helo | usb 1-8: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6 |
| 19:21.56 | tarzeau | blackelf: secure by default is only good for good press - that way clueless users get<br>'secure' install. It's the admin that makes system secure, not having closed everything<br>in base system - when you install debian and get only kernel+ash, it won't help anyone |
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| 19:23.12 | helo | wth is that? html tags in irc? |
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| 19:23.44 | itchi | It's for an Toshiba Satellite A100-253, but i not find yet many informations about it with GNU/linux |
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| 19:24.30 | dr_worm | hey all, i just installed enlightenment from source and now i'm trying to find the startup file i need to edit to have debian launch enlightenment instead of just regular gnome |
| 19:25.04 | roe_ | what is the minimum space required to install a debian base system? |
| 19:25.18 | helo | anyone know what might cause sloow usb thumb drive performance? |
| 19:25.18 | itchi | Linux on Laptop only showed only model of it, but it's not yet realy the same. Like there are some sub models |
| 19:25.31 | h3sp4wn | dr_worm: I just .xinitrc (launch X with xinit) /exec /path/to/enlightenment |
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| 19:26.10 | sepski | helo, mounted as sync perhaps ? |
| 19:26.17 | pestilence | i want to setup a vpn server, any suggestions on what i should use? |
| 19:26.21 | helo | hmm maybe |
| 19:26.22 | sepski | helo, or as a 1.1 instead of 2.0 usb |
| 19:26.28 | Braindead | pestilence: openvpn |
| 19:26.28 | helo | yes, it is sync! |
| 19:26.29 | sepski | pestilence, openvpn |
| 19:26.29 | Bhavesh | openvpn? |
| 19:26.32 | helo | it is usb 2.0 |
| 19:26.36 | helo | thanks |
| 19:26.36 | pestilence | everybody at once now :-D |
| 19:26.38 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i have this error in dmesg . EXT3-fs error (device md(9,4)): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 2560 not in group (block 0)! EXT3-fs: group descriptors corrupted ! and i can't mount the array . fsck exited with signal .11 . is there any scope for recovery ? would appreciate some pointers |
| 19:26.41 | sepski | helo, trying to murder your flash are you ? |
| 19:26.48 | Bhavesh | wait wait.. i am going to count it out :) |
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| 19:27.16 | Bhavesh | how can you block emails from hosts that just have IP address no hostname attached to it? it's OT question |
| 19:27.25 | dr_worm | h3sp4wn, it normally brings up gdm, how do i stop it from doing that? |
| 19:27.31 | helo | why does it need to be mounted 'sync' if i'm using ext3? shoulnd't journaling take care of preventing data loss? |
| 19:27.42 | pestilence | so, openvpn will work with windows, mac, and linux huh |
| 19:27.52 | valdyn | helo: who said that it needs to be mounted sync? |
| 19:27.52 | roe_ | yuppers, got it working here |
| 19:28.07 | roe_ | PPTP that is |
| 19:28.09 | pestilence | roe_, was it difficult? |
| 19:28.18 | wols | Bhavesh: do a reverse dns check |
| 19:28.31 | helo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.46 | Bhavesh | wols: using postfix i should add |
| 19:28.48 | roe_ | not terribly, the easiest way to start we found was with a mac client - windows can do som weird things |
| 19:28.50 | helo | not sure who |
| 19:29.05 | wols | Bhavesh: the answer stays the same |
| 19:29.15 | Bhavesh | lemme see which options i need to enable |
| 19:29.20 | wols | Bhavesh: ask #postfix, best chance of a qualified answer |
| 19:29.20 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 19:29.28 | roe_ | pestilence: and I am pretty sure only the newer stock kernels have support for the encryption |
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| 19:30.25 | roe_ | anythoughts though on the minium HD space required to shoe horn debian in? |
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| 19:30.40 | dn4 | arg I am looking for the sound file of Qwad Damage from Quake |
| 19:30.52 | dn4 | I want to make a bootleg audio track in linux with that hehe |
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| 19:30.59 | dn4 | .ogg!! |
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| 19:32.03 | thelostbutler | Bhavesh: you are better off in #postfix |
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| 19:33.56 | ribasushi | greetings |
| 19:34.20 | roxy_ | I can't log in as administrator into localhost:631 root/rootpassword is refused. I tried dpkg-reconfigure cupsys with same result. What else can I try ? |
| 19:34.48 | ribasushi | I need a mail relay solution for my chroot and there are quite a few of them notably nullmailer, nbsmtp, ssmtp |
| 19:34.52 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem with kde: root password is not accepted in administrator mode for control center :( |
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| 19:35.12 | ribasushi | anyone has had any experience with chrooted mail sending? |
| 19:35.33 | helo | ahh... there we go |
| 19:35.34 | roxy_ | Mazingaro: -> #kde |
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| 19:35.45 | sepski | roxy_, are you sure you are connecting from a allowed host ? |
| 19:36.00 | roxy_ | sepski: I am connecting from localhost. |
| 19:36.15 | helo | went from 400KB/s writing to my thumb drive with "sync" option to 3MB/s without sync |
| 19:37.07 | helo | uselessly slow storage device settings is not good default behavior |
| 19:37.12 | helo | err... try english |
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| 19:37.34 | wols | helo: lost data is even worse default behaviour |
| 19:37.38 | sepski | helo, sync on flash have far more critical effects then just beeing slow |
| 19:37.54 | wols | helo: I hope you carefully unmount your usb stick EVERY time from now on |
| 19:38.18 | sepski | helo, sync ; umount |
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| 19:39.23 | aubergine | How can i tell find to search in hidden dirs? |
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| 19:40.05 | helo | yeah, i sync; unmount |
| 19:40.27 | eeyore- | i don't want to have unnecessary writes to flash if i can help it |
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| 19:41.24 | helo | somehow other distros avoid restricting write speed to ~500KB/s on thumb drives |
| 19:41.57 | Mazingaro | roxy_: #kde is useless |
| 19:42.17 | asg | Mazingaro: #debian-kde then |
| 19:42.41 | vin` | asg: ionman! |
| 19:42.56 | asg | vin`: hiya tak |
| 19:43.07 | Mazingaro | asg: buahahah |
| 19:43.22 | vin` | asg: still with flux? |
| 19:43.32 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:43.33 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:43.53 | vin` | tarzeau: isn't it going to be installed by default in etch? |
| 19:44.00 | tarzeau | vin`: no |
| 19:44.11 | asg | vin`: yep, haven't had a need to switch to anything else |
| 19:44.11 | tarzeau | vin`: but it was asked in the beta d-i i tried lately |
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| 19:44.52 | vin` | should check how fluxbox and compiz play. |
| 19:45.05 | Bhavesh | thelostbutler: i am reading through postfix docs as we speak to get a better understanding of their options |
| 19:45.06 | stojic | hello, which licence would be best to use for data files when packaging program for Debian? Can I use GPL for data also? |
| 19:45.11 | vin` | tarzeau: I remember reading it would be. *shrug* |
| 19:45.22 | tarzeau | stojic: if you ship it with source. what kind of data? |
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| 19:45.27 | tarzeau | stojic: you could use artistic license |
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| 19:45.44 | tarzeau | vin`: url? without telling the user? that'd be like SPYWARE |
| 19:45.48 | Mazingaro | asg: same as #kde |
| 19:45.49 | stojic | .bmp images, some text files that represent levels (it's a small game) |
| 19:45.58 | roxy_ | Mazingaro: #kde is quiet helpfull in the morning (europe time). |
| 19:46.17 | tarzeau | stojic: make it all one license if you can |
| 19:46.22 | tarzeau | stojic: url to the game? |
| 19:46.31 | asg | Mazingaro: hmmm, if nobody here knows, you could post to the debian-user mailing list. |
| 19:46.45 | stojic | http://www.inet.hr/~ivstojic/ mind that it's not released yet |
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| 19:47.04 | tarzeau | stojic: k |
| 19:47.30 | tarzeau | stojic: does it have music and sound effects? |
| 19:47.43 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 19:47.44 | tarzeau | stojic: have you tried briquolo ? |
| 19:47.47 | Shadowcat | what did Mazingaro break? |
| 19:47.48 | stojic | tarzeau: it has sounds, for now some are borrowed from KDE |
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| 19:48.02 | stojic | tarzeau: no idea what biquolo is |
| 19:48.07 | stojic | *briquolo |
| 19:48.09 | Bombo | valdyn/wols: thx seems to be fixed now. it was the proposed-upgrades... |
| 19:48.15 | tarzeau | stojic: packages.debian.org/briquolo |
| 19:48.18 | tarzeau | stojic: 3d arkanoid |
| 19:48.26 | tarzeau | stojic: moving/rotating tiles |
| 19:48.33 | tarzeau | stojic: different views |
| 19:48.39 | stojic | tarzeau: nice :) will try it out |
| 19:49.02 | tarzeau | stojic: and bloboats got me addicted lately, great game! |
| 19:49.14 | Bombo | need to reboot to see if the modules work... |
| 19:49.17 | tarzeau | however, nothing beats nethack |
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| 19:49.22 | stojic | tarzeau: hm... I'm using testing, but this will probably install on it |
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| 19:49.45 | stojic | tarzeau: hehe, true, I've been playing slashem lately |
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| 19:53.02 | appelza | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.04 | appelza | any ideas? |
| 19:53.21 | roe_ | do you know how to tunnel? |
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| 19:53.53 | appelza | think so |
| 19:54.00 | appelza | doing this: ssh -L 3724:host.name.co.za:3724 -l root -N host.name.co.za |
| 19:54.30 | stew | appelza: and the real service is running on host.name.co.za or on localhost? |
| 19:54.39 | appelza | localhost |
| 19:54.40 | stranger_stone | why i`m having problems to listen cd musics? :| |
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| 19:54.48 | stew | appelza: that command tries to do the opposite |
| 19:55.08 | appelza | What would be the correct way then? |
| 19:55.09 | stew | appelza: you want -R not -L |
| 19:55.22 | asg | stranger_stone: maybe the RIAA is at fault. |
| 19:55.42 | appelza | I want my world of warcraft to connect throught my office pc, and then the office pc should forward back to my pc |
| 19:55.50 | stranger_stone | asg and how can i resolve that? |
| 19:55.57 | appelza | just so my int shaped adsl line doesnt give me hectic latency |
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| 19:56.05 | appelza | will -R help for that? |
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| 19:56.16 | cureless | appelza: could you describe that again? |
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| 19:56.19 | stranger_stone | my debian detect the cd and open auto but simplecan listen sound :| |
| 19:56.19 | asg | stranger_stone: lobby a congress-critter. Or, tell us what error you are getting. |
| 19:56.39 | stranger_stone | and i have sound because i can listen mp3 |
| 19:56.45 | cureless | appelza: where are you running wow, and what do you want the connection to do? |
| 19:56.54 | stranger_stone | and is play the cd just nosound ... :| |
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| 19:57.08 | stranger_stone | sometimes this happend to me :| |
| 19:57.14 | cureless | stranger_stone: have you played cds before? |
| 19:57.32 | DaveLib | hello i am trying to get X running with just fvwm crystal and whatever that needs in etch so far i tried installing xserver-xorg and fvwm-crystal those installed but configuration is not yet working and i cant start x yet missing fonts and various problems is there some other base package i should be installing besides xserver-xorg & fvwm-crystal ? |
| 19:57.35 | asg | stranger_stone: 1) check your mixer settings. 2) check the volume knob thingy on the cdrom itself. 3) does the cdrom even have an audio conntion to your sound card? |
| 19:57.37 | appelza | ok, world of warcraft uses port 3724, my adsl in shaped internationally, so I get major lag to the wow servers, but my office which is a few blocks away has a nice fat pipe..I want my pc to forward port 3742 to my office pc, so it can make to connection to the wow server and then back to me |
| 19:57.41 | appelza | if that makes sense :) |
| 19:57.59 | Mazingaro | Shadowcat: dunno |
| 19:58.13 | Mazingaro | Shadowcat: control center's jokin |
| 19:58.16 | stranger_stone | asg i allready make this and likei say my debian have sound ... because i finish to listen one mp3 ... an everything |
| 19:58.16 | stew | appelza: if the real service is running on localhost:3724, you want -R, yeah |
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| 19:58.20 | d0uglas | wols: i changed the driver in xorg.conf from ati to radeon.. http://pastebin.com/801539 is the conf, http://pastebin.com/801543 is the Xorg.0.log |
| 19:58.25 | appelza | Thanks :> |
| 19:58.28 | stranger_stone | and the software player is runing the cd |
| 19:58.37 | cureless | appelza: does wow _open_ port 3742 or just send to port 3742? |
| 19:58.41 | sepski | appelza, does wow support proxy ? you can use ssh proxy |
| 19:58.49 | d0uglas | wols: i control alt backspaced but am still getting the slow/none responses from glxinfo |
| 19:59.00 | appelza | not sure to both questions :) |
| 19:59.16 | appelza | its busy updating now, so i cant try yet, but i like to work on options while i wait |
| 19:59.22 | stranger_stone | yes allways the same thing :\ |
| 19:59.23 | appelza | dont wanna play with 800ms lag :< |
| 19:59.24 | vin` | asg: compiz/fluxbox no workie. |
| 19:59.25 | cureless | appelza: in either case, I don't think wow will try to connect to your port 3742, what you need is some firewalling rules that will do the trick, otherwise the packets will still get routed to the servers, not to your tunnels. |
| 19:59.32 | stew | appelza: you were getting an error with -L becuase ssh was trying to bind to 3742 to forward to the other machine, but 3742 was already being used by wow |
| 19:59.36 | wols | d0uglas: you have a slow, shared memory using videochip |
| 19:59.50 | asg | vin`: ah well. |
| 19:59.54 | d0uglas | wols: is there a way to resolve that? |
| 19:59.55 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:59.55 | dpkg | <reality> whats the debian package with all the build essentials? |
| 19:59.56 | craigevil | "glxgears" is as user: glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark |
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| 20:00.02 | appelza | stew: so if i close wow, and then do the -L and reopen wow, it will work? |
| 20:00.24 | cureless | appelza: no |
| 20:00.24 | sepski | appelza, well if it does iss as simple as ssh -D [port to proxy on] |
| 20:00.24 | wols | d0uglas: yes, buy faster hardware. fglrx should also be a bit better, but probably not by much |
| 20:00.37 | cureless | appelza: your problem is more complex than you think. |
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| 20:00.43 | d0uglas | wols: i believe i installed fglrx* |
| 20:00.45 | wols | d0uglas: and don't look at glxinfo. run a game and see for yourself |
| 20:00.45 | stranger_stone | asg , cureless what software do you recomend me to listen cd music ? |
| 20:00.52 | appelza | amarok |
| 20:00.53 | tarzeau | stranger_stone: opencubicplayer |
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| 20:00.58 | appelza | meh :< |
| 20:01.06 | d0uglas | wols: google earth barely gives the splash screen and just hangs on 100% cpu |
| 20:01.07 | wols | d0uglas: there is no "believe". either you know or your don't. and if you don't, you check |
| 20:01.08 | stew | appelza: no, becuase -L is not the direction you want, you want -R. i don't know anything about wow, however, so i dont' know if it will work anyway, cureless seems to think it wont |
| 20:01.08 | stranger_stone | tarzeau thanks i`m gona try this one |
| 20:01.08 | appelza | cureless: anything i should look into then? |
| 20:01.12 | cureless | stranger_stone: rip the music with grip, then listen to the mp3s. Otherwise, use amarok. |
| 20:01.16 | tarzeau | stranger_stone: the binary is called ocp |
| 20:01.16 | asg | stranger_stone: I don't listen to CDs, just the oggs that I ripped from them. |
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| 20:01.32 | craigevil | !sex |
| 20:01.33 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 20:01.35 | appelza | Ok, well thanks stew |
| 20:01.39 | cureless | appelza: look, wow is an application that tries to connect to a specific server, it'll send the data to that server. |
| 20:01.42 | stranger_stone | is just one single music cd ... |
| 20:01.47 | d0uglas | wols: i definitely installed it, but i didn't see any sign of it when reconfiguring xserver |
| 20:01.50 | stranger_stone | no oog or mp3 |
| 20:01.50 | cureless | appelza: what you want to do is capture that data stream and send it _via_ your work. |
| 20:01.52 | vin` | d0uglas: I used to get usable 3D/DRI performance with mesa that's already available with xorg, didn't try the modular one. |
| 20:01.59 | cureless | appelza: am I not correct? |
| 20:02.05 | stranger_stone | this shoud work i think :| |
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| 20:02.09 | AndroidData | hi. I want to execute a php script with a cronjob. However, the script has an invalid directory and the directory is /etc instead of /var/www (where the script resides) - I'm using KDE's kconf to handle this. is there anything I can do to make the file run in /var/www and not /etc ? |
| 20:02.23 | wols | d0uglas: cause your can't. it's no debian package |
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| 20:02.31 | appelza | yes cureless, and then have my work send it back to my pc, without the game or the gameserver knowing about it |
| 20:02.37 | cureless | appelza: ssh port forwarding makes a port on one end forward the connections to a destination via some computer. |
| 20:02.41 | appelza | as my work pc has a direct link to our tier 1 isp |
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| 20:02.57 | appelza | and latency will be much better that way |
| 20:03.02 | appelza | and i have 20ms ping to my work pc |
| 20:03.12 | d0uglas | wols: i apt got fglrx-driver, fglrx-control |
| 20:03.16 | wols | AndroidData: make a wrapper script that changes directories |
| 20:03.23 | cureless | appelza: it is a different problem. For ssh tunneling to work you have to connect to the "beginning" of your tunnel. So unless you know how to make wow connect to your ssh tunnel, you're out of luck |
| 20:03.25 | AndroidData | wols: how? |
| 20:03.30 | AndroidData | wols: I'm new to this |
| 20:03.44 | wols | AndroidData: by learning a scripting language (bash) or php |
| 20:03.47 | cureless | appelza: what you want, is a "vpn". |
| 20:03.52 | appelza | cureless: ok, what other than ssh tunneling can I use? |
| 20:03.55 | cureless | appelza: try to install openvpn or something like that. |
| 20:04.07 | sepski | appelza, well check if wow have a proxy setting. if it does you just ssh -D [port] workplace and put 127.0.0.1 [port] in the proxy settings of wow |
| 20:04.19 | appelza | cureless: I dont think I'm allowed to setup a vpn on my office server...any other way? |
| 20:04.26 | cureless | appelza: what you want is for your router/firewall to send all the wow related data via your work. |
| 20:04.32 | sepski | appelza, openvpn will work. but more hassle to setup. |
| 20:04.33 | stojic | Are all OSI certified licenses free in a Debian sense? |
| 20:04.34 | appelza | Thanks sepski, that makes sense |
| 20:04.47 | appelza | ill check quick |
| 20:04.52 | sepski | appelza, but openvpn will work even if wow dont support proxy |
| 20:04.52 | tarzeau | stojic: probably not, no |
| 20:05.30 | cureless | appelza: you need "vpn"-like functionality, no matter which way you look at it. Be it via openvpn or some routing + ip tunneling (tun/tap) + ssh-tunels. Take your pick. |
| 20:05.33 | stojic | tarzeau: thanks, is there a list of "Debian-compatible" licenses somewhere? |
| 20:05.34 | tarzeau | stojic: definitely not |
| 20:05.49 | tarzeau | stojic: you mean DFSG compliant ones? let me see, i know there was something |
| 20:06.00 | appelza | Thanks. I'll use that as a last resort sepski (not to dismiss your idea, I'd just like to do something im allowed to instead of asking permission from the senior admins first) |
| 20:06.02 | tarzeau | stojic: http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/ |
| 20:06.04 | tarzeau | !licenses |
| 20:06.04 | dpkg | licenses are intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change free software |
| 20:06.12 | tarzeau | dpkg licenses is also http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/ |
| 20:06.12 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
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| 20:06.34 | stojic | tarzeau: thanks a bunch :), I was digging for this for the last 20 minutes |
| 20:06.35 | cureless | appelza: or you could try packet mangling through the ssh tunnel. So some nat rules that make your wow connections go through the tunnel. At any rate, for your level, the easiest thing is to use openvpn |
| 20:06.44 | tarzeau | stojic: one google search found it |
| 20:06.49 | roxy_ | I am trying to login in admin in localhost:631 and get rejected with root/rootpassword. I got this message in the log: |
| 20:06.56 | d0uglas | vin': so do i want to disable glx and try mesa? |
| 20:06.57 | roxy_ | Oct 6 21:27:21 home PAM-warn[13704]: function=[pam_sm_authenticate] service=[cupsys] terminal=[<unknown>] user=[root] ruser=[<unknown>] rhost=[<unknown>] |
| 20:07.19 | stojic | tarzeau: but you used "DFSG compliant" in that search probably :) |
| 20:07.20 | tarzeau | roxy_: is it really debian? |
| 20:07.27 | roxy_ | Is it normal that rhost is unknown, when I am doing it from localhost |
| 20:07.27 | tarzeau | stojic: no, just debian licenses |
| 20:07.33 | roxy_ | tarzeau: yes, unstable |
| 20:07.41 | appelza | got it |
| 20:07.42 | appelza | thanks |
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| 20:07.56 | glut | which doc should I read to install package non-interactively, with default debconf questions cheanged to something I want ? |
| 20:08.11 | roxy_ | tarzeau: it stopped working this week when cupsys package has been updated |
| 20:08.38 | tarzeau | glut: about debconf ? |
| 20:10.32 | glut | tarzeau: I'm digging through debconf related stuff, but finding only developers stuff |
| 20:10.32 | tarzeau | glut: and /usr/bin/debconf-set-selections |
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| 20:10.52 | tarzeau | glut: to set the answers for the questions and |
| 20:10.59 | Mastermind | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.06 | tarzeau | glut: something like DEBIAN_FRONTEND=dialog dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 20:11.14 | appelza | cureless: what if I know the gameserver's ip and then forward that same port from my office pc to the gameserver :D |
| 20:11.19 | appelza | 3 way tunnel or something |
| 20:11.24 | stranger_stone | o0 |
| 20:11.25 | stranger_stone | 0o |
| 20:11.26 | appelza | or am I just being stupid :P |
| 20:11.29 | stranger_stone | puf |
| 20:11.38 | glut | tarzeau: ok, thanks, I'll check it |
| 20:11.40 | cureless | appelza: but how do you get the data coming out of wow to go through the tunel? |
| 20:11.56 | cureless | appelza: you're just not understanding the problem. |
| 20:12.31 | cureless | appelza: (or, though unlikely, I might not be understanding how the wow setup works) |
| 20:12.53 | appelza | cureless: wow uses port 3724 to send and recieve its data |
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| 20:13.02 | appelza | tcp |
| 20:13.15 | cureless | appelza: all that just confirms my ideas. |
| 20:13.28 | tarzeau | someone should update http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/ to also include WTFPL |
| 20:13.32 | glut | tarzeau: actually I try to install slapd with no initial configuration at all, so I also look for something, which let me bypass postinst/preinst scripts |
| 20:13.43 | Tallu | Is wow easy to set up on linux? |
| 20:13.44 | appelza | Oh, yeah then Im not understanding the problem :) |
| 20:13.56 | glut | tarzeau: I guess what you provided me is enough |
| 20:14.03 | pipeline | Tallu: Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. |
| 20:14.04 | tarzeau | glut: SLAPD? |
| 20:14.08 | appelza | easy enough with cedega, but wine should also work |
| 20:14.08 | tarzeau | glut: i'm a NetInfo guy |
| 20:14.13 | glut | tarzeau: yes |
| 20:14.19 | tarzeau | glut: i don't like ldap |
| 20:14.29 | tarzeau | glut: i don't like messy bloat |
| 20:14.37 | cureless | appelza: ? you could do it with cedega? |
| 20:14.48 | tarzeau | asg: that's completely a different shit |
| 20:14.53 | tarzeau | asg: NetInfo is nice |
| 20:15.01 | cureless | appelza: I see, you were responding to running wow |
| 20:15.02 | asg | tarzeau: it's opaque |
| 20:15.08 | tarzeau | asg: no it's different shit |
| 20:15.10 | Tallu | pipeline: works enough to buy it and pay the bill though? |
| 20:15.13 | appelza | cureless: that was @tallu |
| 20:15.15 | tarzeau | sharky: and NetBEUI is different shit too |
| 20:15.21 | asg | tarzeau: I know but it's still opaque |
| 20:15.29 | tarzeau | asg: i don't care. |
| 20:15.33 | Tallu | appelza: okay |
| 20:15.47 | glut | tarzeau: me neither, but have to install it anyway |
| 20:15.56 | tarzeau | glut: your problem entirely :) |
| 20:16.09 | roxy_ | tarzeau: any idea about my cups problem, I am on : 2.6.18-1-486 |
| 20:16.15 | glut | tarzeau: yeah, have to live with it |
| 20:16.16 | craigevil | winehq has a guide on playing WoW its not that hard to set up |
| 20:16.17 | tarzeau | roxy_: no, you can downgrade it? |
| 20:16.19 | glut | ;) |
| 20:16.26 | tarzeau | glut: poor you, i can give you cookies if you want |
| 20:17.00 | Tallu | craigevil: hehe ok. think a 3700+ with 4gig ram and x800gto would cut it when its being emulated? |
| 20:17.03 | pipeline | Tallu: Fucked if I know. Do I look like I live in my mom's basement, eating cheetos 'till I puke, while I hit on virtual women? |
| 20:17.18 | Tallu | pipeline: well, hard for me to tell! |
| 20:17.21 | elias_ | if I start an xnest session on :1 and want to start a certain app in this nest, how would I do that from the console? |
| 20:17.22 | roxy_ | tarzeau: I probably could but find it more interesting to find the problem. There is nothing in bts. |
| 20:17.28 | craigevil | never played it so i have no clue |
| 20:17.33 | craigevil | i play Runescape |
| 20:17.53 | Mazingaro | is anyone using prelink here? |
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| 20:18.34 | kapowaz | does anybody here have experience setting up dovecot who can tell me how I should set up a certificate? |
| 20:18.40 | h3sp4wn | Mazingaro: Pre-linking kde made zero difference when I tried it (I think the new glib makes it unnecessary) |
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| 20:19.06 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: glib has nothing to do with kde |
| 20:19.34 | h3sp4wn | valdyn: There is some improvement to the way linking is done |
| 20:19.41 | appelza | cureless: this is what netstat shows (if it helps at all) : tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3724 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 8885/wineserve |
| 20:19.55 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: maybe, glib still has nothing to do with kde |
| 20:20.04 | Mazingaro | h3sp4wn: I don't need to prelink kde |
| 20:20.09 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: maybe you mean glibc aka libc6 |
| 20:20.17 | pipeline | h3sp4wn: glibc != glib |
| 20:20.33 | Mazingaro | h3sp4wn: I'm talking about prelink only |
| 20:20.37 | cureless | appelza: sure, that means wine has port 3724 open. You still have the same problem. |
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| 20:21.35 | cureless | appelza: not to mention it's no listen mode, which seems confusing. |
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| 20:21.48 | cureless | appelza: s/no/in/ |
| 20:22.21 | appelza | so there is no 'simple' way to simply alias my localhost port 3724 to my office server's port 3724 :( |
| 20:22.43 | appelza | or is that not the problem? |
| 20:22.47 | appelza | scuse my noobness |
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| 20:23.22 | h3sp4wn | pipeline/valdyn: That is what I ment |
| 20:23.26 | cureless | appelza: yes and no. The problem is that your wine is not CONNECTING to port 3724 on your computer, it's OPENING it and using it to make connections. Or so I thought until the listen state, which just seems confusing. |
| 20:23.52 | cureless | appelza: at any rate, wine is OPENING, be it for connecting to other places or listening to other connections. |
| 20:24.24 | cureless | appelza: are you sure that's the wow port anyway? |
| 20:24.31 | appelza | Yeah |
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| 20:25.37 | appelza | I've forwarded port 80 to port 80 on my office server before, and I assume my browser would open port 80? |
| 20:26.05 | cureless | no, your browser opens a non-priviledge port and connects to some other port 80 |
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| 20:26.22 | cureless | appelza: use your browser and connect somewhere, check out netstat. |
| 20:26.22 | appelza | Oh, right. |
| 20:26.50 | appelza | and if it was a static port, it wouldnt have worked then ? |
| 20:26.55 | cureless | appelza: so,with your browser, you can browse to localhost:80 (or any other port for that matter), and get the content at the end of the tunnel. |
| 20:26.56 | appelza | just trying to figure this out :) |
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| 20:28.24 | cureless | appelza: think of it this way. ssh tunneling is like call forwarding on a phone. If somebody calls you and you don't answer, it'll forward the call to another phone or answering service. Your WOW is making a call from that phone, so call forwarding has no effect. (in this case it actually collides since both want to have the phone off the hook). |
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| 20:28.48 | cureless | appelza: (get the rough idea, specifics are actually different) |
| 20:29.27 | cureless | appelza: I'm not saying that what you want can't be done. I'm just saying that by just using ssh tunnels you're not going to achieve what you want. You'll need other tools too. |
| 20:30.01 | appelza | Ok. Thanks alot :) |
| 20:30.12 | cureless | appelza: trust me, look into openvpn |
| 20:30.42 | cureless | appelza: here: http://www.askdavetaylor.com/world_of_warcraft_ports_needed_to_play_via_vpn.html |
| 20:31.36 | cureless | appelza: hmm, I guess that's not as informative, but it gets to the same conclusion |
| 20:32.18 | appelza | Got it. Will do |
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| 20:33.22 | systemerror | hi, does anyone know a passwordlist generator? |
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| 20:36.51 | ekkikrist | here are some good passwords: password, god, sex, money, apple123 |
| 20:37.02 | ekkikrist | oh and default |
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| 20:37.10 | kapowaz | can anybody recommend a decent guide to setting up exim? |
| 20:37.18 | kapowaz | I've just installed it and it's refusing all the mail I try to send it |
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| 20:41.18 | zinx | ekkikrist: admin is great for routers |
| 20:41.22 | edju | I just installed debian - "desktop" option. Saw xfree86, gtnome and kde come down. However, I do not have startx. Couldn't find anything in the docs. Any help appreciated. |
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| 20:41.48 | craigevil | sexygod isnt a good password? |
| 20:41.56 | tech | doesn't the debian installer shell have lspci available? |
| 20:42.48 | petemc | kapowaz: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config for basic configurations , whats the error message when it refuses? |
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| 20:45.11 | abrotman | tonight is the harvest moon! |
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| 20:46.44 | peteweez | Does anyone know of a SOCKS proxy server that has built-in encryption (i.e. no need to use ssh or stunnel)? Is such a thing possible given the protocol definition? |
| 20:47.16 | kapowaz | petemc: actually I think it's the server that's redirecting to it |
| 20:47.26 | kapowaz | what I really need is a guide to setting up multiple email hosting with exim |
| 20:47.46 | kapowaz | i.e. many domains, and many users |
| 20:47.53 | kapowaz | some of which will be local, others will be remote |
| 20:48.04 | kapowaz | I've never seen a guide to doing that with exim, strangely |
| 20:48.17 | petemc | kapowaz: do you understand the basic concepts involved with such a requirement? |
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| 20:48.52 | kapowaz | petemc: I've set it up via control panels before, I know that I need MX records pointing to my exim-hosting server |
| 20:49.04 | kapowaz | I just don't know how you go about configuring it directly in exim |
| 20:49.11 | S4nD3r | So... Im beginner, learning C++, which IDE i could use ?? |
| 20:49.21 | S4nD3r | Im using debian sarge rc1 |
| 20:49.27 | kapowaz | also, if I am getting 550 relay not permitted errors, does that mean the final destination is not permitting delivery? |
| 20:49.28 | petemc | vim |
| 20:49.55 | kapowaz | and how could I verify where it's failing? |
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| 20:50.24 | peteweez | S4nD3r: try anjuta |
| 20:50.28 | peteweez | or maybe bluefish |
| 20:50.31 | abrotman | S4nD3r: vim or anjuta |
| 20:50.35 | peteweez | but anjuta is probably beter |
| 20:50.40 | abrotman | or maybe even kate |
| 20:50.46 | eml | S4nD3r, I go with a normal editor + writing gcc (which compiles) |
| 20:50.49 | pipeline | S4nD3r: C++ is a terrible, terrible language. It takes roughly a decade to become facile. You should probably NOT start there. |
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| 20:51.02 | peteweez | pipeline: It's not that bad |
| 20:51.06 | peteweez | sometimes it makes sense |
| 20:51.07 | abrotman | pipeline: stop soapboxing .. let him learn what he wants to learn |
| 20:51.16 | kapowaz | I should start from the top really. I've got an ISP that hosts DNS for me and on here I have all my MX records pointing to the ISP itself; the ISP's control panel then allows me to configure where mail is sent, and I send it on to a direct account (i.e. <username>@<hostaddress>) |
| 20:51.21 | pipeline | peteweez: If you say it's not that bad, it means you're writing terrible C++ and you just haven't figured it out yet. |
| 20:51.22 | peteweez | but sometimes it's just too lowlevel |
| 20:51.23 | eml | C++ is probably cool for a beginnger, at least they have STL =p |
| 20:51.24 | abrotman | pipeline: noone faults you for living in a crappy location :) |
| 20:51.25 | kapowaz | guys, he did say he's a beginner |
| 20:51.29 | kapowaz | why tell him to use vim |
| 20:51.34 | JimPanic | D ftw! |
| 20:51.38 | peteweez | pipeline: I haven't done much above the basic level |
| 20:51.38 | pipeline | abrotman: I love programming, and I don't want folks to be scared off by choosing the most painful language ever devised. |
| 20:51.39 | kapowaz | that's got to be one of the least intuitive programs for a beginner ever conceived |
| 20:51.42 | JimPanic | Just for the sake of talking out of context. |
| 20:51.46 | eml | JimPanic, Been thinking of D myself, looks cool =p |
| 20:51.48 | JimPanic | And advertisement :P |
| 20:51.49 | abrotman | pipeline: it's not .. by far .. i can assure you of that |
| 20:51.50 | JimPanic | Woohoo! |
| 20:51.54 | pipeline | peteweez: Then yes, my assertion doesn't miss the mark by much :) |
| 20:51.56 | JimPanic | eml: Good boy :P |
| 20:51.56 | peteweez | the biggest project I've ever done is a very simple, rather poorly done gtk+ clock |
| 20:51.57 | abrotman | pipeline: i work daily in a much worse language |
| 20:52.03 | kapowaz | S4nD3r: why do you want to learn C++? Have you specifically chosen that language, or do you have to do it? |
| 20:52.04 | peteweez | pipeline: lol yes |
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| 20:52.19 | eml | JimPanic, Way too booked with work to have time for it though, although it doesn't look very strange in any way, like any language =p |
| 20:52.25 | CRK-FOX | how I can execute again the postfix configuration wizzard??? |
| 20:52.28 | S4nD3r | Beacause of university |
| 20:52.28 | peteweez | pipeline: What do you like? Python? |
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| 20:52.45 | S4nD3r | Its to develop some tools to use in research |
| 20:52.45 | stew | CRK-FOX: dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 20:52.47 | mortal5 | does anyone here know if knoppix has support for dm-crypt |
| 20:52.48 | mortal5 | ? |
| 20:52.52 | themdg | Anyone know how to get exif_thumbnail into php4 on sarge? Is recompiling the only option? |
| 20:52.54 | pipeline | peteweez: Perl, ruby, lisp, C, Java, C# are all very nice languages for beginners. |
| 20:52.55 | JimPanic | eml: It's very clean and eases the pain of programming in many ways. |
| 20:52.58 | kapowaz | S4nD3r: what sort of research? |
| 20:52.59 | CRK-FOX | stew: you are the man! |
| 20:53.02 | abrotman | lisp ? |
| 20:53.04 | peteweez | pipeline: Scratch the C# |
| 20:53.05 | CRK-FOX | stew: thank you |
| 20:53.06 | abrotman | perl ? |
| 20:53.07 | abrotman | wtf |
| 20:53.11 | peteweez | C# comes from the enemy |
| 20:53.14 | kapowaz | yeah, wtf, perl? |
| 20:53.15 | Bhavesh | well that wasn't very helpful |
| 20:53.16 | stew | mortal5: ask #knoppix |
| 20:53.35 | peteweez | And I don't like Java that much |
| 20:53.39 | pipeline | peteweez: But there's a Free, complete implementation, which I cannot say about java. |
| 20:53.39 | S4nD3r | high performance, plus mpich |
| 20:53.41 | peteweez | although I haven't done much with it |
| 20:53.42 | stew | someone mention sml so that we can call the discussion over by a godwin corollary |
| 20:53.49 | abrotman | pipeline: how about ada! |
| 20:53.54 | peteweez | pipeline: true...there's mono |
| 20:53.54 | S4nD3r | including mathematic theorems |
| 20:53.56 | mortal5 | I asked both cans |
| 20:53.57 | EdLin | peteweez: scheme is a good one |
| 20:53.58 | kapowaz | anyway |
| 20:53.59 | stew | ada might work in sml's place |
| 20:54.01 | mortal5 | *chans |
| 20:54.03 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:54.07 | pipeline | abrotman: Ada is a very nice language, but the Free implementation of it kinda sucks and library availability is *awful* :\ |
| 20:54.10 | kapowaz | can somebody suggest a guide to setting up exim to host multiple domans? |
| 20:54.12 | kapowaz | er, domains |
| 20:54.17 | peteweez | I still like C++...it just makes more sense than a lot of other languages |
| 20:54.18 | abrotman | pipeline: duh |
| 20:54.25 | EdLin | peteweez: there are excellent programming textbooks that use scheme, a form of lisp with some algol features |
| 20:54.32 | peteweez | oh ok |
| 20:54.33 | abrotman | pipeline: you could ahve suggested python .. which actually a decent language for beginners .. or even pascal |
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| 20:54.39 | peteweez | Now C, that really sucks |
| 20:54.40 | S4nD3r | scientific research |
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| 20:54.46 | peteweez | pscal sucks too...it can't do that much |
| 20:54.49 | EdLin | peteweez: are you on crack? |
| 20:54.51 | peteweez | I tried it before c++ |
| 20:54.53 | kapowaz | S4nD3r: what sort of scientific research? data analysis? |
| 20:54.53 | peteweez | no |
| 20:54.56 | peteweez | not today |
| 20:55.02 | madclicker | does anyone know a way to install fglrx on etch with xorg 7.0? |
| 20:55.03 | kapowaz | try Ruby, I say |
| 20:55.09 | EdLin | peteweez: the entire Linux kernel is written in C, as is a lot of other libraries and time-critical software |
| 20:55.17 | peteweez | yeah |
| 20:55.18 | kapowaz | C is used where it has to be used |
| 20:55.20 | peteweez | and gtk+ |
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| 20:55.29 | kapowaz | as few places as necessary |
| 20:55.31 | peteweez | But I hate having to interface to those libraries in C |
| 20:55.32 | abrotman | peteweez: just because a language can't do much(and actually pascal can) .. doesn't make it a bad learning language |
| 20:55.34 | peteweez | it's so tricky |
| 20:55.35 | chrols | Hello, I recently installed Debian and it was working well until i tried to install some third-party precompiled software. They all fail because they cant find library files that clearly are there. I have tried putting the path of the libraries in $PATH but it did not help. Does anybody have any ideas? |
| 20:55.39 | peteweez | abrotman: true |
| 20:55.56 | Bhavesh | i learned pascal when i was in highschool.. my first prog lang |
| 20:56.00 | kapowaz | same here |
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| 20:56.08 | kapowaz | THINK Pascal on the Mac |
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| 20:56.15 | eeyore- | PHP |
| 20:56.24 | kapowaz | hmm |
| 20:56.26 | EdLin | chrols: $PATH isn't it. you probably need headers. If the program is in Debian, try using "apt-get build-dep foo" |
| 20:56.31 | kapowaz | PHP is easy but it's also a bad choice |
| 20:56.32 | peteweez | PHP is kinda nice |
| 20:56.36 | kapowaz | it teaches bad habits |
| 20:56.40 | peteweez | But it's only really good for the web |
| 20:56.45 | eeyore- | kapowaz: it gets the job done :-) |
| 20:56.55 | abrotman | it can still be used to learn |
| 20:56.59 | peteweez | I have a lot more faith in compiled languages than interpreted ones |
| 20:57.12 | abrotman | uh |
| 20:57.15 | kapowaz | eeyore-: true, but it's also a sticky one in terms of letting people get away with bad things |
| 20:57.24 | eldowan | madclicker: you can try this for fglrx on xorg 7: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide |
| 20:57.25 | eeyore- | peteweez: yeah well, PHP just cranks out the work quicker than C can :-) |
| 20:57.27 | abrotman | kapowaz: so do C and C++ |
| 20:57.30 | peteweez | I'm not a big fan of PHP, Perl, Java, etc. I like languages like C++ and C |
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| 20:57.35 | peteweez | eeyore-: true |
| 20:57.40 | peteweez | it is faster |
| 20:57.40 | kapowaz | abrotman: well, in different ways |
| 20:57.42 | chrols | EdLin: The programs I have problem with are precompiled |
| 20:57.42 | abrotman | welcome to #programming |
| 20:57.46 | kapowaz | yes. |
| 20:57.50 | kapowaz | let's stop talking about programming |
| 20:57.54 | madclicker | eldowan, thank you kindly |
| 20:57.54 | peteweez | ok |
| 20:57.54 | kapowaz | and instead talk about fixing my exim :) |
| 20:58.01 | eeyore- | nobody mentioned Smalltalk yet? |
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| 20:58.02 | kapowaz | anybody want to help me? |
| 20:58.09 | peteweez | lol tell me what's wrong with exim then |
| 20:58.19 | EdLin | !eeyore-++ |
| 20:58.19 | abrotman | eeyore-: i mentioned ada .. isn't that good enough ? |
| 20:58.19 | eeyore- | kapowaz: yes, try Postfix |
| 20:58.21 | eldowan | madclicker: no problem. fglrx gave me a bunch of headache, so good luck |
| 20:58.29 | kapowaz | I'm not sure what's wrong with it, I just want to configure it to handle mail for multiple domains. |
| 20:58.34 | EdLin | eeyore-: actually, FORTH could be an interesting starting point, on that note. |
| 20:58.38 | kapowaz | also I suspect it is rejecting mail that it should be accepting |
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| 20:58.48 | kapowaz | but I've no idea where to start to look to fix it |
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| 20:58.53 | peteweez | does exim have something like apache's virtual hosts? |
| 20:58.56 | peteweez | that'd work nicely |
| 20:58.59 | kapowaz | aye |
| 20:59.00 | eldowan | madclicker: I think he mentions it, but after you think you have it working, run fglrx-info to make sure everything says ATI for your GL accelerator 3d and 2d, etc... |
| 20:59.01 | kapowaz | it would |
| 20:59.08 | EdLin | eeyore-: oops, you said "postfix" and I read "postscript" #-) |
| 20:59.10 | peteweez | I'm guessing by your tone that it doesn't |
| 20:59.13 | kapowaz | the entire documentation and config for exim appears to have been written by machines |
| 20:59.13 | eeyore- | postfix has virtual hosts :-) virtual domain, everything |
| 20:59.18 | abrotman | tone? |
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| 20:59.28 | peteweez | you know, he implied it |
| 20:59.35 | eeyore- | EdLin: ah, no wonder. postscript is a fun language, but it's incompatible with my brain :-) |
| 21:00.00 | edju | I just installed debian - "desktop" option. Saw xfree86, gnome and kde come down, Installed xbase-clients to get startx. However, X won't start - no session managers, etc. and no startkde. Help? |
| 21:00.06 | peteweez | Uh couldn't procmail process mail differently based on its destination domain> |
| 21:00.08 | peteweez | *? |
| 21:00.10 | EdLin | eeyore-: "Think FORTH" is back in print and available online legally now. |
| 21:00.27 | anapivirtua_ | Nighty |
| 21:00.32 | kapowaz | I've just visited postfix.org and already I'm tempted to ditch exim |
| 21:00.40 | kapowaz | they have a page called BASIC CONFIGURATION README |
| 21:00.40 | eldowan | edju: have you checked if kdm xdm gdm is installed? only one needed |
| 21:00.42 | kapowaz | ten points! |
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| 21:01.03 | eeyore- | EdLin: i have enough fun using it (postscript) to make labels for my backup cd's and all :-) makes nice (to me) labels with chart representing % usage on the CD |
| 21:01.04 | kapowaz | okay fuck it, exim in the bin |
| 21:01.31 | EdLin | eeyore-: cool. |
| 21:01.51 | madclicker | eldowan, last night i tried to build on Sid, no errors all builds well but after x starts my LCD goes in "Stand by mode" and no errors in X.log. :( |
| 21:02.04 | eeyore- | EdLin: :-) well that's one use of postscript i can think of ... it's actually a shell script that dumps out PS code |
| 21:02.17 | edju | eldowan, Thanks. getting it now. |
| 21:02.23 | peteweez | kapowaz: I kinda liked exim4...but it probably has its shortcomings. |
| 21:02.31 | eeyore- | madclicker: your LCD doesn't like the display mode |
| 21:02.51 | eeyore- | madclicker: try control-alt-<numpad +> or control-alt-<numpad -> |
| 21:02.55 | madclicker | eeyore-, works fine with "radeon" module |
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| 21:03.16 | eeyore- | madclicker: ok, let me clarify, it doesn't like the display mode / refresh rate combination |
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| 21:04.34 | axp | hi ! |
| 21:04.51 | kapowaz | exim to me is a good example of an application from the old school |
| 21:04.55 | axp | i want to change and generate other locales, how to do this? |
| 21:04.58 | kapowaz | it has needlessly verbose documentation |
| 21:05.08 | kapowaz | it sort of assumes that anybody reading it already knows sendmail or something |
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| 21:08.45 | peteweez | kapowaz: Yeah...sounds like they aim the docs at the programmers |
| 21:08.58 | peteweez | I shouldn't need a PhD just to get through the README |
| 21:09.21 | edju | OK - installed kdm, ran "kdm, and get the login screen, but errors - "no /home/edj/.xsession file", no .Xsession, no session manager, no window manager, no terminal emulator. What now? |
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| 21:10.16 | kapowaz | peteweez: indeed |
| 21:10.24 | kapowaz | I am increasingly intolerant of poorly written documentation |
| 21:10.36 | kapowaz | this to me is one reason why Linux will never break into the mainstream |
| 21:10.56 | petemc | kapowaz: exim has some of the best documentation around |
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| 21:11.07 | kapowaz | petemc: really? |
| 21:11.12 | petemc | yes indeed |
| 21:11.15 | kapowaz | qualify 'best' ? |
| 21:11.23 | peteweez | kapowaz: I think Linux can't break into the main stream because there are too many dumb@$$es who think that Norton Utilities is the panacea for your computer and makes you invincible |
| 21:11.30 | petemc | complete, is a big factor |
| 21:11.41 | petemc | well written, is another |
| 21:12.05 | SpComb | heh, I ditched exim too after trying to make sense of the config files |
| 21:12.07 | kapowaz | well, not wanting to get into a flamewar here, I disagree |
| 21:12.07 | petemc | just because its not catered to someone who doesnt understand the first thing about mail transfer, does not maker it bad |
| 21:12.08 | SpComb | it looked like C source code |
| 21:12.15 | petemc | mail transfer is a complicated subject |
| 21:12.17 | kapowaz | 'well written' is very much dependent upon the reader |
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| 21:12.22 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i have this error in dmesg . EXT3-fs error (device md(9,4)): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 2560 not in group (block 0)! EXT3-fs: group descriptors corrupted ! and i can't mount the array . fsck exited with signal .11 . is there any scope for recovery ? would appreciate some pointers |
| 21:12.26 | peteweez | Linux requires too much user input to keep it going for the average american (given all the brain-rotting that's done to us these days) |
| 21:12.32 | kapowaz | I'm not computer illiterate yet I still found the documentation baffling |
| 21:12.42 | petemc | kapowaz: you didnt understand it, that doesnt mean its not well written |
| 21:12.43 | peteweez | thelostbuffler: did you try fsck? |
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| 21:13.01 | Braindead | petemc: it's easier to blame the documentation than yourself |
| 21:13.03 | thelostbutler | peteweez: well fsck ran for ages and exited with signal 11 |
| 21:13.04 | kapowaz | the documentation isn't task-written |
| 21:13.06 | SpComb | peteweez: but it may mean that it could be written in a slightly more understandable manner |
| 21:13.16 | SpComb | esp. for something that comes as default! |
| 21:13.16 | kapowaz | here |
| 21:13.19 | peteweez | spcomb: yeah |
| 21:13.21 | kapowaz | let me quote from an article Jeff Veen wrote |
| 21:13.25 | petemc | kapowaz: its not a how to, no - nor should it be |
| 21:13.33 | peteweez | thelostbutler: Ooh you sound royally f***ed. |
| 21:13.35 | kapowaz | why not? |
| 21:14.37 | kapowaz | he was talking about CMSs, but the same applies: |
| 21:14.38 | petemc | too broad a subject |
| 21:14.38 | kapowaz | "Write task-based documentation first. Most systems have installation instructions that are quite good: "First do this, then do this, this, and this." But when it comes to actually using the CMS, they revert to feature-based docs, carefully outlining what each feature does, and typically from a back-end perspective. Remember, I want to get started quickly, so give me the basics in sequential order for doing that. Do I have to create users first? Can I make a |
| 21:14.38 | peteweez | thelostbutler: did you try e2fsck? i.e. use it directly without using fsck to call it? |
| 21:14.38 | kapowaz | tell me, what is the first thing somebody is going to do with a new install of exim? |
| 21:14.38 | helo | few irc admins angry enough to ban me for spamming in #debian? |
| 21:14.38 | helo | " |
| 21:14.38 | kapowaz | oh please don't |
| 21:14.38 | Braindead | kapowaz: setting up a SMTP server is a tricky thing,there's enough open relays out there and the interweb doesn't need any more... |
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| 21:14.54 | kapowaz | Braindead: maybe if the documentation were more accessible there'd actually be *fewer* open relays? |
| 21:15.01 | peteweez | helo: if you spam you'll get kicked, or banned probably |
| 21:15.03 | peteweez | don't do it |
| 21:15.08 | petemc | awful, awful logic |
| 21:15.13 | kapowaz | I think the documentation being so completely antidulivian may actually contribute to people not caring enough to ensure their server is not open |
| 21:15.31 | helo | peteweez: i was intending that as the rest of the sentence of kapowaz's paste |
| 21:15.52 | peteweez | helo: Oh OK sorry...I'm dense that way |
| 21:15.52 | SpComb | spamming = posting lots of useless crap |
| 21:15.58 | SpComb | that wasn't useless crap :) |
| 21:16.00 | kapowaz | was I spamming? |
| 21:16.03 | kapowaz | I pasted a single long line |
| 21:16.09 | kapowaz | of relevant text |
| 21:16.20 | karsten | kapowaz: No. |
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| 21:16.22 | thelostbutler | peteweez: err not, what's the difference though ? i thought fsck was just a frontend |
| 21:16.22 | peteweez | I don't call it spamming |
| 21:16.28 | kapowaz | neither do I. |
| 21:16.32 | Braindead | configuring a CMS is not relevant. we were talking about SMTP |
| 21:16.34 | helo | it wasn't spamming, i was just being an ass... heh mb |
| 21:16.46 | peteweez | helo: Oh, OK. Carry on. |
| 21:16.49 | thelostbutler | peteweez: i guess the front end could be getting killed for some reasons |
| 21:16.53 | eeyore- | nothing to see here, move along |
| 21:16.55 | peteweez | thelostbutler: yeah it's just a frontend |
| 21:17.05 | kapowaz | Braindead: the point is still the same. He's talking about how documentation should in the first instance be task-oriented, not feature-oriented |
| 21:17.07 | karsten | kapowaz: spamming: unrelated, persistant, and gratuitious. More tolerance being shown for folks who've actually participated/contributed usefully. |
| 21:17.32 | cydork | Man i hate packing! :( |
| 21:17.42 | karsten | cydork: Use tar! |
| 21:17.47 | peteweez | thelostbutler: looks like a segfault |
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| 21:17.50 | helo | i'm always packing, makes me feel safe |
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| 21:17.54 | karsten | !comfort cydork |
| 21:17.55 | dpkg | There, there, cydork. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:17.55 | cydork | karsten, i wish i could :P |
| 21:17.56 | kapowaz | anyway, the fact of the matter is - postfix's documentation *is* task-oriented |
| 21:18.00 | peteweez | thelostbutler: you said signal 11, right? |
| 21:18.05 | kapowaz | and so it helps me out from step 1 |
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| 21:18.12 | petemc | kapowaz: you are free to use postfix |
| 21:18.15 | peteweez | thelostbutler: SIGSEGV11Invalid memory segment access (ANSI) |
| 21:18.16 | kapowaz | aye |
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| 21:18.28 | kapowaz | the thing is though petemc, exim might actually be better for all I know |
| 21:18.29 | eeyore- | kapowaz: yeah, and it keeps getting better :-) |
| 21:18.33 | karsten | thelostbutler: sig11's generally not good news. |
| 21:18.44 | kapowaz | but why should I have to read 300 pages of documentation in order to get my mailserver running? |
| 21:18.44 | vin` | or figure out how to do it with exim and file a bug with a patch. |
| 21:18.49 | karsten | thelostbutler: can be HW (memory, mobo, CPU) issues. |
| 21:18.51 | peteweez | thelostbutler: did you try rebooting first? that sometimes takes care of sig11 |
| 21:18.53 | cydork | !seg11 |
| 21:19.01 | karsten | !sig11 |
| 21:19.02 | dpkg | i guess sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 21:19.03 | peteweez | karsten: sigsegv or sig11 sucks! |
| 21:19.06 | Inazad | Why Debian not release another version ? |
| 21:19.06 | cydork | !si11 |
| 21:19.12 | cydork | damn.. |
| 21:19.15 | cydork | !sig11 |
| 21:19.16 | dpkg | hmm... sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 21:19.18 | karsten | Inazad: What's your question. |
| 21:19.21 | karsten | cydork: botabuse. |
| 21:19.25 | Ryushin | I'm a bit confused. Clicking on a e-mail link in firefox launches evolution's mail client. Where do I set it to use Thunderbird? I thought it would be in /etc/alternatives but I can't fine it there. |
| 21:19.27 | petemc | kapowaz: theres a wiki - go ahead and write a how to. the documentation should remain as it is |
| 21:19.27 | karsten | cydork: It's been shown. |
| 21:19.43 | Inazad | karrotx, Do debian devlopper' team are working on a new relaese or no? |
| 21:19.48 | cydork | karsten, oh ok ... m sorry this packing has screwed up my mind :( |
| 21:19.54 | peteweez | thelostbutler: do you have a knoppix or ubuntu CD, or something of the like? |
| 21:19.55 | S4nD3r | I will use anjuta evenso |
| 21:19.58 | kapowaz | petemc: that sounds like a vicious circle to me |
| 21:20.02 | karsten | !tell Inazad about releases |
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| 21:20.06 | kapowaz | I'll never become familiar enough with it to write a howto |
| 21:20.09 | petemc | kapowaz: im going to stop talking to you now. |
| 21:20.17 | karsten | Inazad: Yes they are. It's called etch. You can preview it using testing. |
| 21:20.19 | peteweez | thelostbutler: you can run fsck from knoppix |
| 21:20.23 | kapowaz | right o |
| 21:20.29 | kapowaz | I did say I wasn't trying to start a flaming |
| 21:20.31 | kapowaz | just my POV. |
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| 21:21.04 | karsten | Inazad: There's no current release date, but 12/2005 - 6/2006 is a likely window. |
| 21:21.07 | S4nD3r | My debian is so boring... lol... Is possible to install sound themes ??? |
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| 21:21.23 | azeem | karsten: off by one |
| 21:21.25 | peteweez | S4nD3r: I think you can configure sounds in Gnome |
| 21:21.26 | SpComb | VisualMoocow! |
| 21:21.35 | S4nD3r | Is configured |
| 21:21.38 | cydork | !tell Inazad about wwer |
| 21:21.40 | SpComb | someone needs to make a version of cowsay with sounds |
| 21:21.43 | karsten | Inazad: erm. 12/2006 - 6/2007 |
| 21:21.50 | eeyore- | i didn't have enough patience to figure out exim ... |
| 21:21.51 | stew | SpComb: use festival |
| 21:21.54 | karsten | azeem: May be why I haven't had a date. Showing up a year late. |
| 21:22.03 | peteweez | karsten: Hey etch was supposed to be release in 4th quarter 2006...stupid devs! |
| 21:22.21 | azeem | peteweez: it is |
| 21:22.26 | karsten | S4nD3r: sound themes as in what? |
| 21:22.26 | peteweez | Oh well they try their best |
| 21:22.26 | vin` | stew: festival susked my cpu the last time I tried it, is it usable now? |
| 21:22.32 | peteweez | and we can't complain |
| 21:22.38 | peteweez | they do a good job :-) |
| 21:22.40 | karsten | vin`: It's pretty usable, what's your HW? |
| 21:22.41 | eeyore- | MBROLA? |
| 21:22.45 | vin` | s/sus/suc |
| 21:23.02 | stew | vin`: i only played with it a while ago and worked for me |
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| 21:23.17 | cydork | vin`, it works great now days .. |
| 21:23.25 | S4nD3r | sound when logging in |
| 21:23.28 | cydork | vin`, on etch that is.. |
| 21:23.29 | S4nD3r | when comes email |
| 21:23.32 | S4nD3r | when close window |
| 21:23.39 | S4nD3r | those things ...lol |
| 21:23.41 | karsten | S4nD3r: Standard with GNOME/KDE. |
| 21:24.07 | karsten | S4nD3r: What're you using for a desktop environment? |
| 21:24.12 | S4nD3r | gnome |
| 21:24.21 | eeyore- | http://tcts.fpms.ac.be/synthesis/mbrola.html |
| 21:24.34 | peteweez | S4nD3r: desktop -> preferences -> sound |
| 21:24.37 | peteweez | on the panel menus |
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| 21:25.12 | S4nD3r | doesnt play sounds |
| 21:25.20 | S4nD3r | Its on ! |
| 21:25.27 | S4nD3r | theres no sound files |
| 21:25.36 | d0uglas | i got an ati radeon igp320m so i can't use opengl... so i'm trying to fire up firegl. In reconfigging the xserver-xorg, do i want GLX enabled or not? |
| 21:26.06 | vin` | os[Linux 2.6.18-200706 - Debian testing/unstable] up[ 1 hours, 16 minutes] cpu[Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.00GHz, 2000.159 MHz (4003.09 bogomips)] mem[ 480.97/495.21 MB (97.1%)] video[ at 1280x800 (32 bits)] |
| 21:26.14 | vin` | karsten: ^^ |
| 21:26.27 | karsten | S4nD3r: Do you have sound configured? |
| 21:26.33 | S4nD3r | sure |
| 21:26.42 | karsten | vin`: No reason to complain. |
| 21:26.48 | karsten | S4nD3r: Mixer levels set? |
| 21:26.59 | karsten | S4nD3r: ... eg: if you play something, it plays? |
| 21:27.00 | vin` | karsten: like I said, it was a while back. |
| 21:27.18 | karsten | vin`: Dunno, give it a shot. Enough to pig out other stuff? |
| 21:27.31 | vin` | karsten: sure. ;) |
| 21:27.38 | S4nD3r | yeah ! |
| 21:27.43 | S4nD3r | the sound card is ok |
| 21:27.44 | karsten | vin`: Last I used it was on PIII-600/800 class HW, no major issues, didn't use it tons. |
| 21:27.57 | S4nD3r | just do not play any sound of installed themes |
| 21:28.39 | CRK-FOX | helo guys |
| 21:28.42 | CRK-FOX | hello |
| 21:28.52 | CRK-FOX | stew: thank for your support |
| 21:28.59 | S4nD3r | Im installing themes |
| 21:29.01 | S4nD3r | sound themes |
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| 21:34.06 | vin` | karsten stew : not bad, 10334 nach 15 0 23416 19m 3732 S 0.3 4.0 0:00.59 festival |
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| 21:35.22 | madclicker | what is the command to re-install a package? |
| 21:36.36 | evol_ | madclicker: apt-get --purge <program>; apt-get install <program> |
| 21:36.39 | stew | madclicker: aptitude reinstall packagename |
| 21:36.41 | karsten | madclicker: aptitude reinstall package |
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| 21:36.49 | karsten | !tell evol_ about aptitude |
| 21:36.49 | stew | madclicker: evol_'s version will blow away your config files |
| 21:37.06 | karsten | evol_: Yeah, that deserves a warning. |
| 21:37.18 | stew | evol_: you should warn people if you are going to give them destructive commands |
| 21:37.19 | karsten | madclicker: Depends on how you want it reinstalled. |
| 21:37.33 | karsten | evol_: also in general aptitude >> apt-get |
| 21:37.48 | evol_ | sorry about that; just thought i;d give you the command to totally remove an app and reinstall it |
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| 21:38.09 | karsten | evol_: If there's data loss involved, a warning is warranted. |
| 21:38.27 | vin` | aptitude changelog foo, \o/ |
| 21:38.47 | karsten | vin`: Woah... |
| 21:38.51 | karsten | vin`: aptitude >> you. |
| 21:39.11 | karsten | vin`: ... for arbitrary values of you, understand. |
| 21:39.15 | stew | that means append, not overwrite |
| 21:39.42 | karsten | stew: much greater than. |
| 21:39.52 | madclicker | stew, version will do just fine, thanks, i also niticed that dpkg -i packagename will also do a reinstall |
| 21:39.53 | karsten | stew: Wrong context. |
| 21:39.59 | vin` | that's more like an enema. |
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| 21:40.15 | karsten | vin`: We're all friends here. |
| 21:40.34 | vin` | karsten: heh, ofcourse dude, chill. ;) |
| 21:40.40 | Braindead | a BDSM circle? I'm outta here |
| 21:40.42 | karsten | vin`: ;-) |
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| 21:41.09 | Bombo | hi |
| 21:41.40 | vin` | karsten: tried ketchup? |
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| 21:42.14 | karsten | vin`: ? |
| 21:42.25 | vin` | !info ketchup |
| 21:42.34 | dpkg | ketchup: (update utility for linux-kernel sources), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.9.8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 21:42.40 | karsten | Don't tell me that's some KDE thing. |
| 21:42.49 | karsten | vin`: Ooookay. |
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| 21:43.06 | vin` | nope, same guy wrote mercurial/hg as well. |
| 21:44.03 | Bombo | how does the modules.conf work in debian/etch? i got /etc/modutils/hisax with content "options hisax type=6 protocol=2 id=Elsa", then i ran update-modules and a new /etc/modules.conf was generated, it should automatically add the options when i run "modprobe hisax" right? |
| 21:44.17 | Bombo | (it doesnt) |
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| 21:50.51 | d0uglas | vin': trying to get mesa going... in module-assistant i get Installation of the xlibmesa-drm-src source failed, suggesting I add contrib and non-free to my sources.list, which I already did. But I'm running unstable and apt says xlibmesa-dri is for etch, though it is installed. Not seeing the -src package though... any idea? |
| 21:51.46 | Azio | lol good luck |
| 21:51.47 | Azio | :< |
| 21:51.56 | Azio | i gave up here .. :P |
| 21:52.13 | vin` | d0uglas: I didn't need anything extra, just the default mesa, don't remember compiling anything extra. I don't have that hardware anymore so can't be sure how the newer xorg7.1 handles it. |
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| 21:53.19 | vin` | d0uglas: probably ask in #ati aswekk, if you don't get any leads here. |
| 21:53.27 | vin` | s/wekk/well |
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| 21:53.49 | teknoprep | howto install X ? |
| 21:53.57 | teknoprep | dpkg ? |
| 21:54.04 | teknoprep | !dpkg xorg |
| 21:54.06 | vin` | teknoprep: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 21:54.09 | Locke | its for a chick thats never even seen linux before |
| 21:54.45 | Locke | im gonna have to set it up so she can click a button or menu to do everything she needs |
| 21:54.51 | Locke | but that shouldnt ge hard |
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| 21:55.03 | teknoprep | ty |
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| 21:55.51 | cydork | Locke, check Kappsel ;) |
| 21:56.53 | dn4 | 01010010011011110110001001101111011101000010000001001011011010010110111001100100 |
| 21:57.17 | cydork | dn4, you miss spelled it ! |
| 21:57.22 | Locke | whats that? |
| 21:57.50 | d0uglas | vin': do you think i want glx enabled? |
| 21:57.52 | cydork | Locke, http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29692 |
| 21:57.59 | dn4 | 0011101001010000 |
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| 21:58.16 | Locke | hmmm |
| 21:58.17 | Locke | thats interesting |
| 21:58.22 | cydork | dn4, na still wrong! :P |
| 21:58.29 | vin` | d0uglas: TIAS |
| 21:58.29 | azeem | dn4: please write in english |
| 21:58.57 | karsten | Locke: You might want to consider Ubuntu / Kubuntu in that case. |
| 21:59.07 | d0uglas | ok |
| 21:59.09 | karsten | Locke: It's sort of optimized for the nontech newbie experience. |
| 21:59.26 | Locke | i was originally going to use ubuntu |
| 21:59.32 | Locke | but it wont boot to install on the box |
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| 21:59.57 | karsten | Locke: OK, your option, my own pref is Debian, just random input. |
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| 22:00.09 | Locke | it gets to a certain point and then just stops |
| 22:00.27 | Locke | at "Uncompressing the linux kernel... ok, booting." |
| 22:00.33 | Locke | it never gets beyond that |
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| 22:00.49 | karsten | Locke: Odd. And Debian worked? |
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| 22:00.52 | Locke | same with freespire, which was my next choice (mostly for experimental purposes) |
| 22:01.00 | Locke | yeah debian is in the middle of netinst right now |
| 22:01.04 | Locke | downloading packages |
| 22:01.27 | cydork | Locke, which version of debian are you trying? |
| 22:01.28 | sublime | Hola gente estoy queriendo sincronizar mi mobil con el evolution a travez del multisync, el plugin me toma perfecto el telefono pero no me sincroniza el evolution por que dice que ese plugin no tiene permisos. |
| 22:01.28 | Locke | the latest netinst iso |
| 22:01.28 | karsten | Locke: That would tend to suggest issues in accessing the initrd, or even before, very early in kernel bootstrap. Possibly a bad Ubuntu disk. |
| 22:01.32 | azeem | !es |
| 22:01.32 | sublime | alguien podria darme una mano ¿? |
| 22:01.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:01.33 | karsten | !es |
| 22:01.38 | Locke | karsten, nope, the disc is fine |
| 22:01.42 | sublime | I'm sorry |
| 22:01.49 | sublime | bye guys |
| 22:01.52 | karsten | Locke: OK. Continue then ;-) |
| 22:01.52 | azeem | sublime: wait |
| 22:01.55 | Locke | i can even run the self disc test from the ubuntu boot menu and it checks out on the box |
| 22:01.55 | sublime | ok |
| 22:01.57 | azeem | sublime: sarge/testing/unstable? |
| 22:02.05 | Locke | i mean on the same box that it wont boot on |
| 22:02.20 | sublime | azeem, what is this ¿? |
| 22:02.29 | azeem | sublime: never mind |
| 22:02.31 | karsten | Locke: Right. Nevermind all that, got your current X issue sorted? |
| 22:02.33 | azeem | -> #debian-es |
| 22:02.38 | Locke | karsten, sort of |
| 22:02.40 | sublime | jejeje |
| 22:02.47 | Locke | im at a usable compromise at the moment |
| 22:02.55 | karsten | Right. Let's focus on that than. |
| 22:02.57 | Locke | im in gnome failsafe |
| 22:02.58 | sublime | azeem ok thaks |
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| 22:02.58 | karsten | s/than/then/ |
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| 22:03.30 | Locke | im so frustrated with it that i downloaded debian with the original intent of replacing ubuntu with it on this box |
| 22:03.52 | d0uglas | vin': on a modprobe -v fglrx, i get FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-1-k7/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted ... is that bad? fglrx.ko appears to be in that directory |
| 22:04.04 | CRK-FOX | hi guys |
| 22:04.08 | azeem | d0uglas: run it as root |
| 22:04.16 | d0uglas | azeem: i did |
| 22:04.23 | CRK-FOX | how I can configure the VI to view the fonts with colors??? |
| 22:04.27 | Locke | i dont really want to give up on ubuntu but this is kind of a deciding factor |
| 22:04.39 | vin` | d0uglas: dude, like I said, I didn't use fglrx, infact it never supported that chipset back then. *shrug* |
| 22:04.44 | karsten | CRK-FOX: Um. Syntax highlighting? |
| 22:04.55 | karsten | Locke: Right. As I said, focus on the present, not the past. |
| 22:04.58 | CRK-FOX | karsten: YES |
| 22:05.02 | Locke | if i have to reinstall the nvidia driver every time i reboot and can't get it fixed, then it kind of sucks hehe |
| 22:05.05 | d0uglas | vin`: sorry :) thanks for the help anyway |
| 22:05.08 | azeem | CRK-FOX: install vim |
| 22:05.08 | karsten | CRK-FOX: <esc>:sin on |
| 22:05.16 | karsten | CRK-FOX: erm, "syn on" |
| 22:05.34 | vin` | d0uglas: read the README/INSTALL, check if IGP320 is supported. google etc. |
| 22:05.40 | Locke | well i've got this ladies box that i've had for a LONG time so im setting that up on the side |
| 22:05.57 | Locke | with 3 jobs, i have to multitask a LOT in my spare time to get all i want to done hehe |
| 22:05.59 | karsten | CRK-FOX: ... and use vim. I think syntax on is a default, otherwise you may need to update your ~/.vimrc |
| 22:06.02 | sublime | i want to sincronize my telephonemobile to the evolution whith multisync, someone can helme ¿? |
| 22:06.19 | karsten | sublime: possibly bitpim? |
| 22:06.22 | azeem | CRK-FOX: also, try to start vi as vim |
| 22:06.28 | azeem | that might change things |
| 22:06.37 | CRK-FOX | azeem: but |
| 22:06.50 | azeem | sublime: which version of Debian are you using? |
| 22:06.55 | CRK-FOX | azeem: is highlighting in general... my debian is all in white... |
| 22:07.06 | azeem | ehh? |
| 22:07.29 | karsten | sublime: ... or multisync |
| 22:07.41 | azeem | karsten: he's trying that |
| 22:07.43 | CRK-FOX | azeem: I remember that other distribution |
| 22:07.46 | karsten | azeem: OK. |
| 22:07.52 | vin` | CRK-FOX: :syntax on |
| 22:07.57 | CRK-FOX | azzem: was all in colors |
| 22:07.58 | azeem | CRK-FOX: no idea what you are talking about |
| 22:08.07 | karsten | CRK-FOX: You're being remarkably less than clear. |
| 22:08.15 | Locke | k i just changed my grub/menu.lst all hdc -> hda |
| 22:08.30 | CRK-FOX | azeem: different colors for folders, executables, etc... in VI syntax Highlighting |
| 22:08.32 | Locke | thta should stop me from having to edit the menu entry every boot right? |
| 22:08.40 | azeem | CRK-FOX: those are not related |
| 22:08.51 | sublime | Iam using u dapper y multisync 0.82 |
| 22:08.56 | karsten | CRK-FOX: Are you in console mode or X11? Are you referring to just your vim session, or all terminals? Are you referring to colorized 'ls' (unrelated as azeem just said)? |
| 22:08.59 | azeem | sublime: ask #ubuntu |
| 22:09.04 | sublime | xdddd |
| 22:09.13 | azeem | CRK-FOX: see above for suggestions on how to switch on syntax highlighting |
| 22:09.24 | sublime | i was asking but they cant helpme |
| 22:09.37 | azeem | sublime: sorry, I'am afraid multisync is sort of broken |
| 22:09.41 | karsten | Locke: Right. Re-run update-grub if you're using Debian's automatic menu.list config. |
| 22:09.49 | karsten | !tell sublime about ubuntu |
| 22:09.49 | CRK-FOX | karsten: console mode... |
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| 22:10.11 | Bombo | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! isdnlog - how do i disable this message? |
| 22:10.35 | Locke | karsten, i dont know anythign about an automatic menu.list config |
| 22:10.41 | karsten | CRK-FOX: OK. For syntax highlighting in vi, install vim, purge nvi, confirm that /etc/alternatives/vi points to vim. Should Just Work (try editing say a shell script, C code, HTML, etc.). |
| 22:10.41 | Locke | i'm running ubuntu 6.06 btw |
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| 22:10.50 | karsten | Locke: man update-grub |
| 22:11.05 | karsten | Locke: Should be similar, but I'm assuming this is on your Debian box. |
| 22:11.11 | Locke | no |
| 22:11.13 | vin` | !badger knoppix |
| 22:11.13 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
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| 22:11.20 | Locke | the debian box is still downloading and installing packages |
| 22:11.32 | Locke | im not worrying about that one till its done |
| 22:11.43 | karsten | CRK-FOX: For colorized LS: put / uncomment "eval $( dircolors )" in ~/.bashrc |
| 22:11.52 | karsten | CRK-FOX: That should cover most of your issues. |
| 22:12.12 | Locke | its a fresh install on a clean drive, so it should be default when it gets done |
| 22:12.14 | sublime | ok bye !! |
| 22:12.26 | Locke | this one is very much screwed with by now hehe |
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| 22:12.54 | karsten | CRK-FOX: I'm assuming you know how to install/purge packages, if not, ask. |
| 22:12.59 | Locke | this install has traveled across 3 motherboards, 3 video cards, and 3 entirely different processors |
| 22:13.17 | CRK-FOX | karsten: then I execute VIM instead VI? |
| 22:13.22 | CRK-FOX | vim |
| 22:13.32 | karsten | Locke: Careful, it's going to make the DHS terrorist watchlist. |
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| 22:13.45 | azeem | CRK-FOX: 1. install vim, 2. run vim |
| 22:13.51 | Locke | at one point it had 2 seperate IDE controllers onboard, one ATA100, and now its back to a regular single IDE controller |
| 22:13.56 | karsten | CRK-FOX: No. If /etc/alternatives/vi links to vim, you can just run 'vi'. |
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| 22:14.06 | Locke | karsten, lol probably |
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| 22:14.26 | azeem | karsten: as I said, vim might change behaviour depending whether it has been executed as `vi' or `vim' |
| 22:14.29 | azeem | not sure though |
| 22:14.59 | karsten | azeem: I think you have to specifically invoke it in compatibility mode. |
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| 22:15.15 | azeem | yeah possible, but I think I saw discussions about this |
| 22:15.15 | Locke | probably been a dozen different times this box wouldnt boot at all |
| 22:15.16 | karsten | azeem: 'vim -C' |
| 22:15.33 | vin` | it was different when it was pointing to nvi, unsure now, points to /usr/bin/vim here. |
| 22:15.34 | karsten | azeem: ... and the controlling factor is if you've got a .vimrc |
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| 22:16.00 | stew | of if you've edited /etc/vim/vimrc* |
| 22:16.18 | sysop | hi guys |
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| 22:16.29 | Locke | so any suggestions how to make the correct version of the nvidia kernel module load on bootup |
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| 22:17.12 | Locke | currently the home driver and the kernel driver dont match on bootup, ther kernel module is the version of the first one i installed |
| 22:17.17 | karsten | !tell Locke about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:17.31 | Locke | so i have to run the installer every boot :P |
| 22:17.33 | karsten | Locke: ... and that's all I know. |
| 22:17.37 | vin` | Locke: is this debian or ubuntu now? |
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| 22:17.41 | karsten | Locke: No. Should work just once. |
| 22:17.53 | karsten | vin`: He's running Ubuntu now, installing Debian on another box. |
| 22:18.15 | sysop | I am having problems doing cryptsetup remove , it keeps saying the device is busy. how can I force it. |
| 22:18.30 | Locke | wow |
| 22:18.33 | Locke | vin`, ubuntu |
| 22:18.38 | vin` | karsten: would that one-liner work with ubuntu as well? (i.e. is he fixing this on debian.) |
| 22:18.44 | Locke | from now on im talking about my ubuntu box only |
| 22:18.58 | Locke | i dont anticipate any issues on the debian install ATM |
| 22:19.06 | karsten | sysop: lsof / fuser should show any active processes. These include submounts on the same filesystem. |
| 22:19.13 | karsten | Locke: Take Ubuntu questions to #ubuntu |
| 22:19.20 | vin` | Locke: these factoids might not work with ubuntu, as there. |
| 22:19.33 | vin` | s/as/ask |
| 22:19.39 | anapivirtua_ | Bye. |
| 22:20.28 | Locke | karsten, they're pretty similar, and i dont get any actual help in there |
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| 22:20.40 | karsten | !tell Locke about ubuntu |
| 22:20.48 | sysop | thanks karsten |
| 22:20.50 | karsten | Locke: I really mean that. |
| 22:21.00 | Locke | most people trying to help me are either less experienced than me or just nobody sees it |
| 22:21.23 | karsten | Locke: Last time I'll mention it. That's really your and #ubuntu's problem, not ours. |
| 22:21.30 | Locke | this install is pretty much ubuntu only in name anymore anyways lol |
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| 22:21.48 | vin` | people here have lesser or zero experience with ubuntu, you're beter off in #ubuntu |
| 22:22.01 | Locke | ... |
| 22:22.03 | azeem | Locke: then ask their mailing lists or web forums |
| 22:22.37 | fasta | modprobe: FATAL could not load /lib/modules/2.6.<foo>/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
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| 22:22.50 | fasta | I get this when I start my newly compiled kernel. |
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| 22:22.57 | azeem | fasta: run depmod -a |
| 22:22.59 | karsten | fasta: depmod -a |
| 22:23.00 | azeem | I guess |
| 22:23.06 | fasta | Zeit|awy: wasn't that obsolete? |
| 22:23.15 | fasta | azeem: Wasn't that obsolete? |
| 22:23.17 | karsten | fasta: That should have been run on install. Debian or custom krenel? |
| 22:23.21 | azeem | fasta: apparently not |
| 22:23.25 | karsten | Nope. |
| 22:23.26 | Locke | oh cmon if i hadnt mentioned it nobody would have known different, im just trying to get some input :P |
| 22:23.31 | azeem | "newly compiled kernel" |
| 22:23.33 | fasta | karsten: custom, since kernel-package is broken on my system |
| 22:23.59 | karsten | fasta: /msg dpkg kp |
| 22:24.01 | vin` | fasta: which version? what bug? |
| 22:24.07 | azeem | Locke: you're welcome to ask *once* here, but stop expecting answers |
| 22:24.15 | Locke | im only looking for advice, not answers |
| 22:24.17 | karsten | Locke: Welcome to /ignore |
| 22:24.20 | fasta | I also get umount: devfs: not mounted. That's related? |
| 22:24.24 | azeem | the people in here do not want to support Ubuntu, please respect this |
| 22:24.33 | azeem | s/the people/most people/ |
| 22:24.38 | Locke | :( you guys were so friendly a minute ago |
| 22:24.51 | fasta | vin`: You can look it up in the logs if you care. Logs of today look for relaxed too. |
| 22:25.04 | azeem | Locke: nvidia drivers are handled differently in Ubuntu |
| 22:25.13 | jade | is there a calculator i can use that will perform the boolean reduction of an expression such as AC + BC + C ? |
| 22:25.21 | Locke | is it easier to get them working with or without xgl/beryl in debian? |
| 22:25.26 | fasta | karsten: yes, I tried that, but as said: kernel-package fails here. |
| 22:25.31 | karsten | fasta: OK. |
| 22:25.33 | karsten | fasta: What arch? |
| 22:25.39 | azeem | Locke: there's no xgl/beryl in Debain |
| 22:25.41 | azeem | Debian |
| 22:25.41 | Locke | i am seriously considering trashing my ubuntu for debian to solve that problem and others |
| 22:25.42 | fasta | karsten: i386 |
| 22:25.53 | Locke | there is no way to do xgl? |
| 22:26.05 | azeem | Locke: you can compile it yourself I guess |
| 22:26.17 | Locke | i was kinda planning on it anyways at this poing :P |
| 22:26.24 | vin` | aiglx/compiz yes, beryl is in the works, xgl no idea. |
| 22:26.32 | Locke | oh |
| 22:26.35 | azeem | right, aiglx/compiz is available |
| 22:26.37 | azeem | (in unstable) |
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| 22:26.45 | craigevil | compiz and beryl both work ok |
| 22:26.51 | Locke | so can I do aiglx with the stable nvidia drivers, or just beta? |
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| 22:27.18 | vin` | Locke: you need the experimental nvidia drivers iirc. |
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| 22:27.37 | craigevil | pretty sure it only works with the beta driver |
| 22:27.38 | Locke | when i tried to use the beta drivers and beryl in ubuntu, after X loads and it starts loading programs, the screen goes garbage and i have to reboot the whole box |
| 22:28.05 | Locke | thats what i thought, since you need beta for aiglx |
| 22:28.11 | azeem | Locke: well, this is new technology |
| 22:28.17 | vin` | Locke: code is in great flux atm. |
| 22:28.28 | Locke | yes thats what i gethered |
| 22:28.37 | Locke | is it worth installing? |
| 22:28.45 | azeem | what is "it"? |
| 22:28.50 | Locke | the beta driver |
| 22:28.57 | azeem | no ida |
| 22:28.59 | azeem | idea |
| 22:29.02 | Locke | oh |
| 22:29.04 | Locke | fair enough |
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| 22:29.05 | Xorm | I just hot unplugged a HD |
| 22:29.10 | Xorm | because it was having trouble |
| 22:29.15 | Xorm | Debian didn't even stutter. |
| 22:29.19 | azeem | the newest nvidia card I have is a Riva128 |
| 22:30.15 | Locke | lol that was the first nvidia card i had |
| 22:30.31 | Locke | i have a gf4 mx420 right now |
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| 22:31.40 | Locke | hmm well the stuff isnt working in ubuntu so i guess i have no reason to keep it around |
| 22:32.03 | Locke | k im gonna move my data to a different partition and get ready for install :) |
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| 22:32.37 | fasta | karsten, azeem: I did depmod -a -v <kernel-version> and verified thus that it worked on the right directory. I rebooted and saw the same results as before. |
| 22:32.44 | craigevil | Locke you might want to take a look at how it works in Kanotix >http://www.kanotix.com/index.php?module=pnWikka&tag=berylautostartEN |
| 22:33.12 | azeem | fasta: so that file is still not there? |
| 22:33.30 | fasta | azeem: That file is there, it's just not when I bootthe newer kernel |
| 22:34.07 | azeem | strange |
| 22:34.17 | Locke | hmm |
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| 22:34.49 | Locke | kanotix is a debian based distro tending towards compiz/beryl? |
| 22:34.50 | fasta | azeem: everything except boot is LVM managed now, maybe that's the problem? |
| 22:35.01 | azeem | dunno |
| 22:35.05 | azeem | could be |
| 22:35.24 | azeem | you'd need support for that in your initrd or kernel or whatever, dunno |
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| 22:35.28 | azeem | I don't use LVM |
| 22:36.02 | nurv | hey plp I have one question. Is there apps with it I can send network msg. And when I send something, it must pop up at other side. Something line urgent msg. Plase help |
| 22:36.22 | abrotman | linpopup ? |
| 22:36.34 | nurv | not that kind |
| 22:37.17 | nurv | I'm admin of the network and I want when I sent something everybody in network to read it at the moment |
| 22:37.38 | nurv | so if it possible - pop up window or something like it |
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| 22:40.48 | Locke | is it worth installing something like kanotix as far as ability to install new software |
| 22:41.01 | Locke | can i get and isntall any debian app just as easily in it? |
| 22:41.23 | azeem | Locke: we don't konw |
| 22:41.28 | azeem | ask #kanotix, please |
| 22:41.52 | Locke | i dont want to sacrifice the availability of software and support |
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| 22:42.16 | vin` | Locke: kanotix pulls in stuff from sid and do their own mashing, ask them. |
| 22:42.17 | asdfa | !nvidia one-liner |
| 22:42.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 22:42.44 | vin` | Locke: are you just trolling? |
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| 22:43.02 | Locke | vin`, no, i dont understand why everyone is taking offense |
| 22:43.19 | Locke | im trying to get input on what changes i shoudl make |
| 22:43.29 | Locke | im considering installing debian and trying to find out if its a good idea |
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| 22:43.46 | vin` | Locke: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 22:43.46 | sysop | debian is always a good idea |
| 22:44.03 | karsten | fasta: You need to supply the proper kernel version to depmod. 'man depmod' |
| 22:44.10 | karsten | azeem: ^^ |
| 22:44.19 | fasta | karsten: I already did that. |
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| 22:44.26 | fasta | karsten: I already found the real problem |
| 22:44.34 | karsten | fasta: What was it? |
| 22:44.57 | fasta | karsten: Well, at least I guess so: I am not using initramfs or yaird |
| 22:45.08 | karsten | fasta: I believe you should be. |
| 22:45.15 | sysop | hey karsten I dont see anything that seems to be directly using dmcrypt or cryptsetup. any idea what I should be looking for? |
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| 22:45.18 | karsten | fasta: ... unless *everything* is compiled in, you'll need an initrd. |
| 22:45.23 | fasta | karsten: me too, so I am going to. |
| 22:45.42 | karsten | sysop: Nope. What's your command / error output again? Use paster (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 22:46.32 | karsten | fasta: depmod -a -b <basedir> <version> <filename> is the basic depmod synopsis. |
| 22:46.33 | vin` | fasta: /msg dpkg norootfs, compile all you need to get it going without an initrd if needed. |
| 22:46.56 | fasta | karsten: yes, that's in the manpage. |
| 22:47.00 | fasta | karsten: I can read |
| 22:47.10 | karsten | fasta: Yeah, that's where I read it. And some folks can't ;-) |
| 22:47.16 | fasta | vin`: I will have a look at it. |
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| 22:47.56 | fasta | vin`: seems an old entry as it stilll mentions initd. |
| 22:48.01 | fasta | er initrd |
| 22:48.37 | asdfa | where are the splash images located? |
| 22:48.37 | vin` | fasta: ignore the last line, the rest stands true. |
| 22:48.51 | vin` | asdfa: for grub? |
| 22:48.53 | fasta | vin`: ok, the rest I knew already :) |
| 22:48.59 | asdfa | vin`: yes |
| 22:49.29 | vin` | asdfa: grub-splashimages |
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| 22:50.01 | asdfa | vin`: you mean /boot/grub/grub-splashimages |
| 22:50.02 | asdfa | ? |
| 22:50.25 | vin` | asdfa: the package name, dpkg -L packagename will show you where it is. |
| 22:51.09 | Vasistha | hi all! I'm trying to set up WPA here in sarge. My key includes non-alphanumeric printable ascii characters, e.g. "AJt_*g+@" etc. Can this be put directly into /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf or do I need to convert it to hex? |
| 22:51.15 | asdfa | Package `grub-splashimages' is not installed. |
| 22:51.15 | asdfa | lol |
| 22:51.17 | asdfa | that's why |
| 22:51.45 | asdfa | ill be back |
| 22:51.48 | asdfa | ill see if it works |
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| 22:53.33 | zeta | I have a vnc session (debian vncserver, win-client) running gnome, but the mouse is freezing: pointer is moving, but can't click. Anyidea wh and fix this? Any damon to restart sth? |
| 22:53.56 | twin | Anyone know how to get rsync or preferably rdiff-backup to work over webdav? Please pm me.. |
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| 22:55.59 | fasta | initramfs = cramfs module, right? |
| 22:57.35 | karsten | fasta: Right. Now being replaced by yaird which uses a CPIO archive. |
| 22:57.41 | MatBoy | does someone monitor his mailstats with a script on qmail ? I want to make some logs visual |
| 22:57.42 | simonrvn | fasta: not necessarily. usually it's a gzip compressed cpio file |
| 22:57.55 | MatBoy | #qmail is a little bid dead |
| 22:57.57 | fasta | so I should look for a cpio module? |
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| 22:58.04 | karsten | MatBoy: Pity that. |
| 22:58.07 | simonrvn | no, cpio is a command |
| 22:58.13 | karsten | fasta: No, it's userspace. |
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| 22:58.27 | fasta | ok, so do I need cramfs or not? |
| 22:58.32 | karsten | Does this mean that the kernel has a cpio unarchive implementation now? |
| 22:58.33 | zeta | crap, can't control the vnc session at all without mouse-click :/ |
| 22:58.42 | simonrvn | there's 2 kinds of initrds |
| 22:58.44 | MatBoy | karsten, you mean pitty ? |
| 22:58.46 | karsten | fasta: Likely not, may not hurt though until the initrd wars play out. |
| 22:58.53 | karsten | MatBoy: No. |
| 22:59.13 | MatBoy | karsten, explain :) |
| 22:59.24 | karsten | Hrm. Nvidia wars get interesting. Buyout rumor by Intel. |
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| 22:59.28 | karsten | MatBoy: No need. |
| 22:59.31 | fasta | simonrvn: you mean the one generated by yaird and the one by initramfs-tools? |
| 22:59.40 | karsten | MatBoy: /msg dpkg qmail |
| 22:59.58 | MatBoy | karsten, okidoki |
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| 23:00.22 | simonrvn | fasta: no, one is cramfs and the other is the compressed cpio file |
| 23:00.35 | fasta | simonrvn: ok |
| 23:01.16 | MatBoy | karsten, btw, I prefer postfix, but they want to use qmail :S |
| 23:01.24 | karsten | MatBoy: Pity, that. |
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| 23:02.32 | karsten | MatBoy: Whatever you do, please ensure it doesn't generate blowback spam. |
| 23:03.05 | MatBoy | karsten, I just got a message that my spamassassin works like hell :D |
| 23:03.35 | karsten | MatBoy: http://www.hesketh.com/publications/webstock/2006/email_standards/ |
| 23:03.46 | MatBoy | karsten, My policy is so hight that all corporate companies with their nice HTML-maillayout and images have to ask me if I can whitelist them :) |
| 23:03.50 | fasta | Ok, rebooting again.... |
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| 23:04.16 | MatBoy | s/hight/high |
| 23:04.18 | karsten | MatBoy: That's not the issue at hand. |
| 23:04.28 | karsten | MatBoy: It's now what you allow in, it's want you bounce back, and to whom. |
| 23:04.39 | MatBoy | karsten, even my mailrelay can't be used for spam |
| 23:04.59 | karsten | MatBoy: Who do you send DSN errors to? |
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| 23:05.46 | karsten | MatBoy: http://arkiv.netbsd.se/?ml=spamtools&a=2006-02&m=1789385 |
| 23:07.19 | MatBoy | nice link |
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| 23:07.38 | karsten | As I said: ensure you're not generating blowback. Nontrivial w/ qmail. |
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| 23:08.32 | MatBoy | karsten, OK, no I wont :) |
| 23:08.40 | fasta | karsten: it now tried to load the modules from the previous kernel version? I.e. the wrong /lib/modules/<kernel> |
| 23:09.01 | karsten | fasta: That would suggest an improperly specified 'depmod' command. |
| 23:09.06 | fasta | And that in turn gave version mismatches, which lead to failure. |
| 23:09.11 | karsten | fasta: Make sure you're specifying the correct kernel version. |
| 23:09.21 | MatBoy | karsten, you have to beware of forwarders to AOL... that is a big problem |
| 23:09.26 | fasta | karsten: Are you sure -a is an option of depmod? |
| 23:09.33 | fasta | karsten: -a is not in the manpage |
| 23:09.37 | fasta | -A is however |
| 23:09.50 | unstable | I'm putting on a computer festival, what is a simple server side software festival staff can use for organizing vendors. ie which vendors we called, what they said etc etc. and check off if they're coming or not. |
| 23:09.52 | karsten | fasta: Um. That may be stale memory. |
| 23:10.03 | stew | wierd, i always run depmod -a |
| 23:10.04 | fasta | !depmod |
| 23:10.04 | dpkg | This is how the kernel module depedency list is created. It's done automatically (forcefully, even if it exists) on every boot in debian |
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| 23:11.28 | fasta | karsten: When I look in the modules.dep file I only see references to files in the right directory. |
| 23:12.48 | karsten | fasta: I'm running to my limits of understanding. However it seems that something's confused. |
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| 23:14.47 | asdx | hi |
| 23:15.31 | dn4 | <DanF_DrC> I don't think Iran has intention to preempt USA. they do have plans to retaliate though should Bush enhance his stupidity once again |
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| 23:15.50 | asdx | i want to mount a ext3 partition as user and i want it to mount with the uid of my user, so i can write to it, i have 'user' in fstab but when i mount it, it still mount with uid 0. |
| 23:15.59 | asdx | any ideas? |
| 23:16.05 | karsten | dn4: off topic |
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| 23:16.21 | jelly-home | asdx: chown it after you mounted it. |
| 23:16.49 | asdx | jelly-home: ok |
| 23:16.49 | Muisje | Hello, i just did a update and now i got all kinds of errors like: shutdown: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl |
| 23:17.06 | dvs | asdx: I use "rw,user,noauto" personally. |
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| 23:18.07 | jelly-home | dvs: ext3 already has support for unix uids so it can't just be mounted under user's uid, can it? |
| 23:18.25 | asdx | i get permission denied |
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| 23:18.41 | asdx | if i try to write to the partition |
| 23:19.04 | jelly-home | asdx: have you chowned the mount point after the part. was mounted? |
| 23:19.13 | dvs | jelly-home: Oh. My file type is "auto" which is usually vfat |
| 23:19.44 | jelly-home | asdx: you'll have to do the chown as root. |
| 23:19.51 | asdx | jelly-home: ok |
| 23:19.54 | asdx | jelly-home: thanks |
| 23:20.30 | jelly-home | asdx: also add the options dvs suggested to the fstab to be able to mount it as user. |
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| 23:20.53 | jelly-home | (if you're not using pmount or something similar) |
| 23:21.00 | fasta | karsten: ok, now it works. |
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| 23:21.26 | greeg | hi |
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| 23:21.34 | greeg | what directory is ~/ ? |
| 23:21.38 | fasta | karsten: It appears yaird is yet another broken program written in Perl. |
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| 23:22.01 | greeg | as in ~/.ut2004 is that the same as /home/usracct/.ut2004 ? |
| 23:22.12 | fasta | greeg: yes |
| 23:22.13 | greeg | or /.ut200f ? |
| 23:22.15 | greeg | oh ok |
| 23:22.18 | greeg | thanx guys |
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| 23:22.27 | fasta | If your username is usracct |
| 23:22.34 | asdx | jelly-home: what about the -U option? |
| 23:24.29 | jelly-home | asdx: what about it? |
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| 23:25.09 | asdx | jelly-home: can't i use that and specify the uid with that? |
| 23:25.22 | karsten | asdx: ext[23]fs doesn't inherit mount permissions, you set them on the filesystem itself. |
| 23:25.31 | karsten | jelly-home: Correct, BTW. |
| 23:25.35 | jelly-home | asdx: no, have you read the part in the manual describing that option? |
| 23:25.47 | asdx | karsten: i see |
| 23:26.19 | asdx | jelly-home: let me read that |
| 23:26.45 | karsten | asdx: mount options are frequently specific to a filesystem, you have to read mount(8) carefully. |
| 23:27.09 | asdx | karsten: ok |
| 23:28.00 | jelly-home | asdx: it's used for choosing which partition to mount, like /dev/XXXX or LABEL=yyyy . Every partition has a generated unique identifier, so you can mount the same partition even if the order of devices changes. |
| 23:28.44 | jelly-home | asdx: nothing to do with userid. |
| 23:28.52 | asdx | ok |
| 23:29.19 | jelly-home | in short, uuid != uid |
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| 23:33.24 | Muisje | lol i'm fucked. |
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| 23:35.11 | Muisje | how do i do a apt-get dist-upgrade and exclude 1 package?> |
| 23:35.21 | karsten | Muisje: put a hold on that package. |
| 23:35.28 | Muisje | how? |
| 23:35.28 | karsten | !tell Muisje about hold |
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| 23:36.13 | jelly-home | that echo ...| dpkg --set-selections syntax is quite weird. |
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| 23:36.35 | karsten | jelly-home: It is? |
| 23:36.55 | ribasushi | why is my root mounted a second time at /dev/.static/dev |
| 23:37.14 | ribasushi | google does not turn up anything on the subject |
| 23:37.19 | karsten | ribasushi: /dev/.static is a /udev feature. |
| 23:37.19 | jelly-home | karsten: pretty much the only dpkg/apt command to read actions from stdin. |
| 23:37.24 | karsten | erm. udev. |
| 23:37.36 | karsten | jelly-home: dpkg --get-selections > file |
| 23:37.41 | karsten | jelly-home: dpkg --set-selections < file |
| 23:37.49 | karsten | jelly-home: It's very convenient for making mass changes. |
| 23:38.00 | ribasushi | karsten: yes, and /dev/.static/dev being the old statuic dev filesystem, before the daemon is started |
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| 23:38.03 | karsten | jelly-home: Unless you'd like to specify, say, 20k packages and settings on a commandline |
| 23:38.11 | jelly-home | karsten: for copying over sets of packages, yes. |
| 23:38.29 | karsten | jelly-home: You're not copying over sets of packages, you're importing sets of package configurations. |
| 23:38.30 | ribasushi | so how come root ends up being mounted there? |
| 23:38.46 | karsten | ribasushi: You're going to have to appeal to the udev gods on that one. |
| 23:38.49 | jelly-home | karsten: still, quite unusual for a single package. |
| 23:39.07 | Muisje | What can i do about init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl |
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| 23:39.35 | Gast161 | hi |
| 23:39.49 | Gast161 | jemand hier? |
| 23:39.55 | karsten | jelly-home: I disagree. It's consistent with other config tools, eg: xrdb, xauth. |
| 23:40.08 | karsten | Gast161: #debian-de or speak english. |
| 23:40.24 | Muisje | karsten he's speaking dutch.. not german ;) |
| 23:40.42 | jelly-home | karsten: both have options to read from/to a file, not only stdin/stdout. |
| 23:40.46 | karsten | Muisje: There's no better way to annoy the dutch ;-) |
| 23:41.08 | dan2 | Muisje: what's the difference? |
| 23:41.10 | Muisje | Alot... :P karsten you annoy me aswell and i haven't done any harm ;) |
| 23:41.31 | Muisje | besides screwing up my server so it won't reboot |
| 23:41.36 | karsten | Muisje: Heh. |
| 23:41.49 | karsten | Muisje: I'd suggest googling that error, FWIW. |
| 23:41.51 | Muisje | I'm affraid if i press the reset button, it'll be end of life lol |
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| 23:43.41 | Muisje | http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/blfs-support/2002-November/031450.html <- not helpfull karsten :P |
| 23:44.11 | karsten | Muisje: ... Gast161 was coming in from a German IP, FWIW. |
| 23:44.27 | Muisje | Yet he spoke dutch :p |
| 23:44.56 | karsten | Muisje: Keep digging. That's the best I can do either. (Looked German to me). I'd think filesystem or udev issues myself. |
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| 23:45.54 | karsten | Muisje: What's your rootfs? Standard ext2/3? Encrypted? |
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| 23:47.20 | Muisje | i have no idea |
| 23:47.21 | Muisje | lol |
| 23:47.46 | rj_ | which cd-images will i need to download? binary1 only? |
| 23:48.11 | Muisje | How can i tell karsten? |
| 23:48.56 | Muisje | udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.15, not started. lol :p it's not udev :p |
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| 23:49.00 | karsten | Muisje: Well, presumably you should have known when you created it. If you can boot the system (say: knoppix) you can determine that. |
| 23:49.06 | karsten | Muisje: OK/ |
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| 23:49.23 | fasta | How can I do software audio mixing with the least hassle possible? |
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| 23:49.30 | Muisje | isn't there a command to find out karsten? |
| 23:50.07 | talexb | I'm back .. again. |
| 23:50.29 | talexb | So it's my third night trying to install Debian using the Net Inst CD that I burned at $work .. |
| 23:50.35 | Muisje | I don't know 100% sure but fstab say i have ext3 karsten |
| 23:51.13 | fasta | I.e. how can I play multiple sounds at the same time without getting that /dev/dsp is busy? |
| 23:51.18 | talexb | Got the same error, failed the CD ROM check on ./dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages, even after the md5 of the entire CDROM chceked out. |
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| 23:52.36 | talexb | I think I may put this machine aside and try it on another amchine. |
| 23:52.51 | talexb | Ooh, gotta go .. supper time .. |
| 23:54.12 | karsten | fasta: aumix |
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| 23:54.38 | karsten | fasta: ... or audacity, if you're mixing beats / doing sound editing, or alsamixer |
| 23:55.13 | fasta | karsten: no, I just want to be able to listen to music and hear when someone sends me an IM. |
| 23:55.18 | karsten | Muisje: mount -t auto <filesystem> <mountpoint> will try all known filesystems from /proc/filesystems or /etc/filesystems (last preferred if it exists, can specify order eg: vfat prior to dosfs). |
| 23:55.27 | karsten | fasta: sox. |
| 23:55.50 | fasta | !sox |
| 23:55.50 | dpkg | it has been said that sox is imagemagick for audio |
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| 23:56.02 | karsten | fasta: /msg the bots please |
| 23:56.13 | fasta | karsten: right, but don't I need aumix then? |
| 23:57.33 | karsten | fasta: It's useful for setting mixer levels, yes. |
| 23:57.37 | fasta | karsten: I don't understand you. |
| 23:58.08 | karsten | fasta: 'sox' contains commandline playback utilities (and other stuff, general audio manipulation tools). |
| 23:58.12 | fasta | karsten: I can only set PCM and a few other options in alsamixer, but none of them seems to relate to multiple channels. |
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| 23:58.19 | epsilon | why is the next kernel version 2.6.19, instead four-digit 2.6.18.x? |
| 23:58.26 | karsten | fasta: aumix, alsamixer, set input/output values from different audio channels associated with your card. |
| 23:58.50 | fasta | karsten: the OSS drivers for my card do not support different audio channels. |
| 23:59.00 | Muisje | karsten it's ext3 |
| 23:59.23 | karsten | fasta: that would tend to indicate a limitation of your soundcard, I think. I'm not an audio engineer. |
| 23:59.33 | fasta | karsten: I thought artsd could mix different sounds to one hardware channel. |
| 23:59.35 | karsten | fasta: You may be looking for something like a MIDI mixer. |
| 23:59.43 | karsten | fasta: ^^ I'm not an audio expert. |
| 23:59.45 | fasta | karsten: no, no, no |
| 23:59.47 | karsten | Muisje: OK. |
